Jun 07, 2022 City Council on 2022-06-07 2:00 PM

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GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

IT IS 201 ON TUESDAY, JUNE 7TH.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZENS COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

NO WRONG PART.

SO IT'S.

WELL, IF WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS, TAKE THOSE.

SEEN NONE.

THEN QUESTIONS FOR FOUR STAFF ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[2. Requests for clarification of agenda items listed on this agenda.]

I APOLOGIZE. LET ME LET ME SCROLL DOWN TO IT.

LET'S SEE. RIGHT THERE.

SO I HAD MOST OF MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED BY STAFF IN THE QUESTIONS.

I THINK ON MY QUESTION ABOUT I CAME TO GETTING MORE CLEAR PROCEDURES AND GUIDELINES IN, IN OUR AND OUR VARIOUS SAY CRITERIA MANUALS ON OUR WEBSITE FOR FOR BUSINESSES TO APPLY FOR IN-KIND SUPPORT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE STAFF TO, TO DO THAT BECAUSE WHEN THEY SAW THE ITEM, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE REACHED OUT TO ME AND SAID, HEY, I'M REALLY GLAD YOU'RE BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS.

I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS EVEN AVAILABLE.

AND I THINK THE RESPONSES FROM STAFF WERE REALLY CLEAR AND THEY WERE VERY HELPFUL.

AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ENCOURAGE STAFF TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT TO VARIOUS GROUPS AND COMMUNITY EVENTS AND OTHERWISE.

I, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CONCERNS.

THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR. MAYOR.

YES, WE UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY.

AND ACTUALLY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE WORKING FOR EVEN MORE DETAIL AND AM REALLY FOCUSING ON SOME NEW RECOMMENDED CHANGES AND THINGS TO TO COUNCIL.

OK. ANYONE.

COUNCILMAN. MAGUIRE. NO QUESTION, BUT I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM RD FOR RECUSAL.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. GREAT. MAKE SURE MYSELF.

PARDON ME. UM.

SO I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF JUST GENERAL STATEMENTS, NO QUESTIONS ON.

WITH RESPECT TO THE WHAT THEY'RE IN ADDITION TO WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY DOING THERE, I'D LOVE TO SEE US KIND OF LOOK AT PET FRIENDLY, MAYBE BUSINESS CERTIFICATES.

AND THEN ALSO I SHARED WITH THE CITY MANAGER THIS ONE GROUP THAT HAS BOWLS THAT ARE LIKE KIND OF TEMPORARY DOG BOWLS OR CAT BOWLS OR WHATEVER, WATER BOWLS.

AND SO. SHARE THAT.

I'D LOVE TO SEE US HAVE A DENTON BRANDED ONE, SO I'M GOING TO TALK TO HER ABOUT THAT.

THEN I WANT TO. AND J IS IS REALLY NOTEWORTHY DISC OFF AND THERE'S A FEW INSTANCES OF THAT REALLY BIG THING.

OBVIOUSLY THE TWO COURTS ARE GREAT, COURSES ARE GREAT, LOTS OF ACTIVITY HERE AND A LOT OF GREAT THINGS ABOUT THOSE.

SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT EVENT AND LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTNER WITH THEM ON THOSE THINGS.

SO THAT'S ITEM J.

AND THEN LASTLY.

A B IS OF INTEREST JUST TO SAY HELLO TO MY FRIEND RAY.

SO RAY AND MY DAD GO WAY BACK.

THEY PLAYED SOFTBALL TOGETHER.

AND SO RAYMOND MCCAIN IS HE HE'S PROBABLY KNOWN ME LONGER THAN THAN I'VE BEEN HERE.

SO I APPRECIATE HIM AND THE WORK HE AND HIS COMPANY DO FOR OUR CITY, MAKING SURE WE'RE WE'RE TAKING CARE OF.

SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO HIM AND, AND THEN GOOD CATCH ON.

H I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A NOTE THERE.

SO GOOD CATCH THAT WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THE RATEPAYERS AND MAKING SURE WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT THOSE DOCUMENTS.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

ALWAYS, ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE YOU WATCHING OUT FOR US.

SO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING NONE.

THAT'LL TAKE US TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION ITEM.

AND SO FOR THE RECORD, ONLY DX WAS PULLED AND THAT'LL JUST BE FOR RECUSAL.

SO WE DON'T NEED A PRESENTATION.

FIRST WORK SESSION IS ITEM A ID 22701 RECEIVE REPORT HOLD DISCUSSION GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING AUDIT PROJECTS

[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding Audit Project 018 - Health Insurance Operations: Follow-Up Review. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

ALL RIGHT. HELLO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I'M MADISON RORSCHACH, CITY AUDITOR.

I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE FINDINGS FROM THIS FOLLOW UP REVIEW.

SO JUST AS A REMINDER, AUDIT FOLLOW UP REVIEWS ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON WHAT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE IN RESPONSE TO AN ISSUED AUDIT.

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SO IN GENERAL, THIS FOLLOWUP REVIEW FOUND SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CITY'S MONITORING PROCEDURES OF ITS HEALTH INSURANCE OPERATIONS.

SO JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, THE CITY IS A SELF FUNDED HEALTH INSURANCE PROVIDER, WHICH MEANS IT AND KIND OF MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE RISK MANAGEMENT DIVISION ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DIRECTING ALL ASPECTS OF THE CITY'S HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS.

IN ADDITION TO THE RISK MANAGEMENT DIVISION, THE CITY HAS HIRED AN EMPLOYEE BENEFITS CONSULTANT THAT ASSISTS IN DEVELOPING AND MONITORING ITS BENEFITS PLANS.

AND IT HAS ALSO IT ALSO USES A THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR OR TPA TO PROCESS HEALTH INSURANCE CLAIMS. IN GENERAL, HEALTH INSURANCE OPERATIONS HAVE KIND OF THREE FUNCTIONAL PARTS THAT MUST WORK TOGETHER TO ENSURE HEALTH INSURANCE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED EFFECTIVELY, WHICH INCLUDE THE BENEFITS BENEFITS PLAN, MANAGEMENT, PARTICIPANT ENROLLMENT AND CLAIM ADMINISTRATION.

SO NOW I'LL DISCUSS OUR FOLLOW UP REVIEW FINDINGS.

FIRST, DURING THE ORIGINAL AUDIT, WE FOUND THAT THE CITY HAD ADEQUATELY ESTABLISHED EFFECTIVE MONITORING PROCEDURES TO ENSURE ITS HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS WERE ADEQUATELY UTILIZED AND HAD ACCESS TO RESOURCES THAT PROVIDED ASSURANCE THAT THE CITY COMPLIED WITH ALL APPLICABLE REGULATIONS.

IN ADDITION, WE FOUND THAT THE RISK MANAGEMENT DIVISION WAS ADEQUATELY MANAGING.

SORRY, I'M ON THE WRONG SIDE, WAS ADEQUATELY MANAGING PLAN ENROLLMENT.

HOWEVER, WE RECOMMENDED THAT THE DIVISION DEVELOP A PROCESS TO MORE CLOSELY MONITOR EMPLOYEE DEPENDENTS.

AS PART OF THIS FOLLOW UP REVIEW, WE FOUND THAT THE CITY NOW REQUIRES ITS EMPLOYEES TO ANNUALLY ATTEST THAT ALL DEPENDENTS COVERED ON THEIR PLAN MEET THE CITY'S ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS. IN ADDITION, THE CITY REQUIRES EMPLOYEES TO SUBMIT DOCUMENTATION WHENEVER DEPENDENT COVERAGE CHANGES ARE MADE SO THAT THEIR ELIGIBILITY CAN BE VERIFIED.

NEXT. DURING THE ORIGINAL AUDIT, WE FOUND A FEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE RISK MANAGEMENT DIVISION TO IMPROVE ITS MONITORING CONTROLS OVER THE CITY'S THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR, INCLUDING PERFORMING A HEALTH INSURANCE CLAIMS AUDIT AND REGULAR REVIEW OF THE SERVICE ORGANIZATION REPORT OR SERVICE ORGANIZATION CONTROL REPORT AND PERFORMANCE GUARANTEE REPORT. SINCE THE ORIGINAL AUDIT, THE CITY HAS HAD HEALTH INSURANCE CLAIMS AUDIT OF THE EPA CONDUCTED AND PLANS TO HAVE ADDITIONAL AUDITS PERFORMED ABOUT EVERY TWO YEARS.

THIS AUDIT WAS PERFORMED BY A CONTRACTOR AND WAS INTENDED TO PROVIDE AN ASSURANCE THAT THE EPA IS PROCESSING HEALTH INSURANCE CLAIMS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S BENEFITS PLANS. IN ADDITION, WE FOUND THAT THE RISK MANAGEMENT DIVISION HAS REGULARLY, REGULARLY RECEIVED AND REVIEWED THE EPA'S ANNUAL PERFORMANCE GUARANTEE REPORT AND HAD VERIFIED THAT ANY PERFORMANCE PENALTIES WERE APPROPRIATELY CREDITED TO THE CITY'S ACCOUNT.

BASED ON THE 2021 PLAN YEAR PERFORMANCE GUARANTEE REPORT, THE EPA MET ALL GUARANTEES EXCEPT FOR ONE, WHICH WAS THE AVERAGE SPEED THAT IT TOOK TO ANSWER CUSTOMERS PHONE CALL.

THAT BEING SAID, WE FOUND THAT THE RISK MANAGEMENT DIVISION HAD NOT REGULARLY RECEIVED OR REVIEWED THE TPA SERVICE ORGANIZATION CONTROL OR SOC REPORT.

THE SOC REPORT IS PREPARED ANNUALLY BY AN INDEPENDENT AUDITOR THAT'S HIRED BY THE TPA, AND IT EVALUATES THE EPA'S OVERALL CONTROL CLAIMS ADMINISTRATION PROCESS AND THE CONTROLS IN IT AND REPORTS ON ANY MATERIAL WEAKNESSES.

SO ACCORDING TO RISK MANAGEMENT, THEY PLAN TO MEET WITH THE CITY'S EMPLOYEE BENEFITS CONSULTANT ANNUALLY TO DISCUSS THE SOC REPORT IN THE FUTURE.

LASTLY, THE CITY'S THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATORS, 2021 SERVICE ORGANIZATION CONTROL REPORT IDENTIFIES EIGHT COMPLIMENTARY USER CONTROLS THAT THE USER ORGANIZATION IN THIS CASE THE CITY SHOULD HAVE ADEQUATELY IMPLEMENTED TO PROVIDE ASSURANCE THAT HEALTH INSURANCE CLAIMS ARE PROCESSED EFFECTIVELY BY THE THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR. AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL AUDIT, WE VERIFIED THAT FIVE OF THESE CONTROLS WERE ADEQUATELY IMPLEMENTED BY THE CITY.

AND THEN IN ADDITION, THE TWO CONTROLS THAT ARE BOLDED ON THE SCREEN WERE VERIFIED TO BE ADEQUATELY IMPLEMENTED AS PART OF THIS FOLLOW UP REVIEW.

SO SPECIFICALLY, WE FOUND THAT THE RISK MANAGEMENT DIVISION HAS ESTABLISHED A PROCESS TO ANNUALLY VERIFY THAT ONLY AUTHORIZED USERS HAD ACCESS TO THE TBAS EA SERVICES PORTAL AND THAT THE DIVISION HAD CLARIFIED WHO HAD THE AUTHORITY TO AUTHORIZE THE TRANSFER OF CLAIM PAYMENT FUNDS.

SO IN SUMMARY, WE FOUND THAT FIVE OF THE SEVEN RECOMMENDATIONS ISSUED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL HEALTH INSURANCE OPERATIONS AUDIT WERE IMPLEMENTED WITH THE REMAINING TWO BEING IN PROGRESS. AND BASED ON THESE RESULTS, DAN PLANS TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE DEPARTMENT INFORMALLY SOMETIME IN THE NEXT YEAR TO DETERMINE IF THE OUTSTANDING RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED. AND IN THE FUTURE, THOSE WILL BE COMMUNICATED IN A FRIDAY REPORT.

SO QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. CNN.

OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THEN ARE YOU PRESENTING THE NEXT ONE AS WELL OR.

YES. OKAY, GREAT.

I'M GOING TO TAKE JUST 1/2 THERE WHILE YOU SWITCH OUT AND SAY I WANTED TO POINT OUT FOR ANYONE WATCHING THAT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA,

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SO THAT'S A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM FOR AF AND FOR AG.

YEAH. OKAY.

FUTURE DATE. OKAY.

AND THEN.

ALSO WANTED TO CONFIRM SO THAT WE HAVE SOME FOLKS ON STANDBY IF NEEDED, BUT WE'RE GOING TO RELEASE THEM FOR THE FIRST CLOSED SESSION ITEM TO THE COUNCIL.

SO THAT'S ITEM C ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WAS HELD JUST IN CASE THAT WAS PULLED.

IT WAS NOT.

JUST WANT TO CONFIRM, THERE'S NO PROBLEM LETTING STAFF CLEAR OUT.

AND SO THAT IS AGAIN ITEM C CONSIDERED TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 21765 APPROVING THE 2022 MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC ENERGY RISK MANAGEMENT POLICY.

SO. THAT'S RIGHT.

YEAH. SO IT'S CONNECTED THERE.

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IN MACK THAT YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING.

NO, THAT WAS IT, MAYOR.

IT'S JUST A PLACEHOLDER. IF THERE WAS ANY QUESTIONS, JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT NOW.

OR IF THERE'S NOT QUESTIONS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND RELEASE THOSE STAFF.

OKAY. CNN.

GREAT. OKAY, SO I CALL ITEM B.

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding proposals from the Board of Ethics to amend the Ethics Ordinance and Board of Ethics Rules of Procedure. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 60 minutes]]

ALL RIGHT. HELLO, MADISON RORSCHACH DENTON CITY AUDITOR AND THE STAFF LIAISON TO THE BOARD OF ETHICS.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE THE BOARD'S PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE ETHICS ORDINANCE AND THE BOARD'S RULES OF PROCEDURE, WHICH WERE SUMMARIZED IN A LETTER THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA BACKUP.

SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE ALSO REFLECTED IN THE REDLINED ORDINANCE AND RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT WAS IN YOUR AGENDA BACKUP.

AND JUST FOR THIS DISCUSSION, I'LL RUN THROUGH EACH PROPOSAL, I THINK ONE AT A TIME, AND WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION AND GIVE DIRECTION BEFORE GOING TO THE NEXT ONE.

IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU, MAYOR.

YES, THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. AND IN ADDITION, THE BOARD OF ETHICS IS VICE CHAIR HANNA.

CLAASSEN IS HERE TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

SO STARTING WITH THE FIRST PROPOSAL, THIS WAS RECOMMENDED IN MARCH OF 2022, AND IT REMOVES THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE BOARD OF ETHICS PANELS TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE ATTORNEY OR RETIRED JURIST.

THIS PROPOSAL IS REALLY JUST RECOMMENDED IN RESPONSE TO THE CITY COUNCIL REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE BOARD AS A WHOLE TO HAVE THREE MEMBERS WHO ARE ATTORNEYS OR RETIRED JURISTS. SO THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE CHANGE IS PRESENTED ON THE SLIDE.

THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU FROM THE OUTSET, I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE DIRECTION JUST BECAUSE I WANT I WOULD PREFER THE ALSO TO HAVE INCLUDED THE BOARDS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET INTO DONATIONS.

AND WE HAD THE QUESTION ABOUT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, APPOINTEES OF THIS COUNCIL AND HOW MUCH THAT THAT ARRANGEMENT BETWEEN IF THEY'RE HIRED FOR SOMETHING.

I REALLY WANTED THAT TO COME BACK AS WELL KIND OF ONE FATAL SWOOP THAT WE COULD ALL DO IT IN.

SO I'M GOING TO JUST RESERVE MY THOUGHTS UNTIL EVERYTHING COMES COMES BACK.

AND SO I'LL JUST OK IF I COULD.

MARY THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THESE PROPOSALS, THIS PACKET FOR ABOUT A YEAR, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT PROPOSAL.

I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'LL TAKE UNTIL THAT IS COMPLETE.

THAT'S FAIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK OF THE THE BOARD.

SO FIRST FIRST THING BEFORE US.

STATEMENTS, POSITIONS FOR STAFF.

FOR ANYONE AGAINST.

LET'S JUST GO THERE THEN FOR SPEED.

YOU WENT AGAINST THOSE CHANGES.

GREAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

A SECOND PROPOSAL WAS RECOMMENDED IN OCTOBER OF 2021, AND IT ADDS TO THE DEFINITION OF CONFLICTING INTEREST.

THE RECEIPT OF MORE THAN A $500 CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION FROM AN INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS ENTITY OR OTHER ORGANIZATION.

THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE CHANGE IS PRESENTED ON THE SLIDE.

IN ADDITION, DURING THE BOARD OF ETHICS MEETING ON MAY 2ND, THE BOARD DISCUSSED A TWO MINUTE PITCH MADE BY FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER THAT SUGGESTED POTENTIALLY REQUIRING COUNCIL MEMBERS TO RECUSE THEMSELVES FROM DELIBERATION ON CASES INVOLVING MEMBERS OF POLITICAL ACTION, COMMITTEES THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED MORE THAN $500 TO COUNCIL MEMBERS CAMPAIGNS AND BASED ON THE DISCUSSION DURING THAT MEETING.

THE BOARD'S BELIEVES THAT THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT ADDRESSES THAT REQUEST.

SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

OH, COUNCILMEMBER.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO, IN THE QUESTIONS THAT I SENT ON TO STAFF, I ASKED THESE, BUT I'M ASKING THEM NOW BECAUSE YOU INDICATED WE SHOULD GET THE FEEDBACK FROM FROM THE

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THE LANGUAGE OF IT IS A LITTLE VAGUE.

IS THAT RECOMMENDATION A SINGLE DONATION OF $500 OR AN AGGREGATE DONATION? AND IS THAT A ONE TIME LIKE, SAY, PER CAMPAIGN SEASON OR IS THAT IN PERPETUITY? AND I WOULD HAND THAT I THINK TO YOUR I ANSWERED YOU ON THE FIRST ONE THAT I BELIEVED IT WAS I BELIEVED A STAFF BASED ON BEING THERE FOR THE BOARD DISCUSSIONS THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A TOTALING AN AGGREGATE AMOUNT WAS NOT SURE ABOUT THE TIMING.

SO I'LL HAND IT OVER TO THE THE BOARD VICE CHAIR IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING.

AND THEN ALSO YOU ARE ALL WELCOME TO MAKE AMENDMENTS TO THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE AS PART OF YOUR DIRECTION.

I THINK YOU SHOULD COME OVER HERE.

YES, JUST SO THAT YOU CAN BE HEARD, PLEASE.

AND THANK YOU. AND IF YOU COULD GIVE YOUR NAME AND THAT WAY, EVERYONE, IT'S ON THE RECORD.

YEAH. GOOD AFTERNOON.

I AM HANNAH CLAUSSEN.

I'M THE VICE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF ETHICS.

SO TO THAT QUESTION, THIS SHOULD BE IN REFERENCE TO AGGREGATE DONATION.

AND AS FAR AS TIME PERIOD, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LANGUAGE ON THAT AS OF RIGHT NOW, BUT WE COULD BE WILLING TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR US TO DISCUSS AS FAR AS ALL TIME OR CURRENT CAMPAIGN.

SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS, WE CAN PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA.

OKAY. SO THE LET ME JUST SAY, IS THERE THERE WAS REALLY NO DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TIME PERIOD OVER WHICH THIS WOULD BE APPLICABLE.

THE BOARD DIDN'T DISCUSS THAT AT ALL? NOT SPECIFICALLY, NO.

OKAY. SO THERE'S NO WAY TO JUDGE THAT.

SO THEN I APPRECIATE THE CLARITY ON THE AGGREGATE.

HMM. YEAH, I'LL.

I'LL, I'LL COME BACK WITH MY DIRECTION JUST A SECOND THEN.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? CUSTOMER. WHAT'S. THANK.

SO TO CLARIFY.

SO, MADISON, WHEN YOU SAID THIS WAS A RECOMMENDATION IN OCTOBER OF 2021, DID THAT RECOMMENDATION COME TO COUNCIL OR IS THAT JUST A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BOARD THAT HADN'T COME TO THE COUNCIL YET? IT'S A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BOARD THAT IS NOW COMING TO COUNCIL AT THIS MEETING.

SO I STRUGGLE WITH THIS NOT BECAUSE I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CONCEPT, BUT PART OF ME IS WONDERING WHAT IS THE INTEREST, WHAT IS THE UNDERLYING INTEREST REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR PROCEDURE? BECAUSE THIS WAS REALLY DISCUSSED IN A LOT DURING THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS.

I MEAN, I KNOW COUNCIL I WATCHED THE COUNCIL MEETING WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER MAYOR PRO TEM MELTZER AT THE TIME PUT FORTH HIS HIS PROPOSAL.

AND I THINK AT THE SAME TIME, THE COUNCIL HAD ASKED THE BOARD OF ETHICS TO LOOK AT IF A COUNCIL MEMBER PAYS SOMEONE AND THEN THEY'RE UP FOR APPOINTMENT.

SO THESE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS.

AND MAYOR, CUT ME OFF IF YOU NEED TO.

HOWEVER, WHEN I GET GOING, FIRST OF ALL, I PERSONALLY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ANYONE CAN BE BOUGHT OR INFLUENCED FOR $501.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT RIGHT OFF THE BAT NOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THIS ROUTE, I THINK THEN THAT'S WHAT THE MESSAGE WE'RE SENDING IS.

WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY AND WE'RE ONLY GOING TO IF YOU'RE OVER $500, THEREFORE, WE THINK SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

THERE'S SOME TYPE OF INFLUENCE THAT COULD BE PERCEIVED IN THAT.

THAT TO ME IS THE UNDERLYING INTEREST OF THIS ORDINANCE OR THIS THIS PROPOSAL, IF THAT'S THE CASE.

I DON'T THINK WE'VE GONE FAR ENOUGH.

I THINK IT'S ONLY HALFWAY.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, I THINK WE NEED TO SAY NO ONE CAN GIVE MORE THAN $500 TO A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAINLY INFLUENCE THAT CAN BE DIRECTED ON COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY PART OF A PENDING MATTER, WHICH THIS IS BASICALLY CONFLICT OF INTEREST PURSUANT TO THE DEFINITION OF A PENDING MATTER.

IN OTHER WORDS, SOMEBODY'S GOT TO BE DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THE ISSUE COMING BEFORE COUNCIL ASKING FOR SOMETHING.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, CAMPAIGN FINANCE WAS REALLY FRONT AND CENTER OF THIS LAST CAMPAIGN.

YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT ALL THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS, SOME PEOPLE GOT 70 $500 FROM INDIVIDUALS.

THOSE INDIVIDUALS MAY NEVER COME BEFORE COUNCIL ON A PENDING MATTER.

BUT IF WE'RE SAYING THAT $501 FROM SOMEONE STANDING AT THE PODIUM ASKING FOR SOMETHING REQUIRES SOMEONE TO RECUSE THEMSELVES.

WELL, THEN I'M NOT SURE WHY.

WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT IF SOMEONE GIVES MORE THAN $500, THAT SOMEHOW THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS IN.

SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM SORT OF AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.

AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE FORUM THROUGH NECESSARILY ONE PART OF AN ETHICS CHANGE.

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THAT ANYTHING OVER $500 CREATES THE APPEARANCE OF INFLUENCE AND POTENTIAL IMPROPRIETY.

THEN I DON'T KNOW WHY.

IT'S JUST RELEGATED TO SOMEONE WHO'S ASKING FOR SOMETHING FROM COUNCIL DIRECTLY IN THIS PROCESS THAT WE DEFINED AS A PENDING MATTER.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, I THINK WE'RE ONLY HALFWAY.

I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT OK.

THEN NOBODY SHOULD GIVE 500 MORE THAN $500 BECAUSE THEY COULD BE EXERTING INFLUENCE OUTSIDE OF THE PROCESS OF EVEN COMING BEFORE COUNCIL ON A PENDING MATTER.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS OF, ALL RIGHT, THAT'S AN INDIVIDUAL DONATION.

WHEN YOU HAVE A BUSINESS ENTITY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I KNOW I WENT BACK AND WATCHED THE BOARD OF ETHICS MEETING ON MAY 5TH, MAY 2ND, EXCUSE ME.

AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS IF REGARDING A PAC.

IF IF A PERSON BELONGS TO THE GROUP, LET'S TAKE, FOR INSTANCE, JUST BECAUSE I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT, TEXAS GREATER DALLAS APARTMENT ASSOCIATION.

ALL RIGHT. AND THEY HAVE A PACK.

ALL RIGHT. NOW YOU CAN BE A MEMBER OF THE GREATER DALLAS APARTMENT ASSOCIATION, BUT YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER HOW MUCH MONEY THEY GIVE TO ANYBODY.

SO ONE OF THE PROPOSALS WAS, WHICH ISN'T ADDRESSED HERE, WHICH I THINK WE JUST NEED CLARITY ON, IS IF SOMEONE'S A MEMBER OF THAT ORGANIZATION WHO HAS A SEPARATE PAC THAT OPERATES AUTONOMOUSLY FROM THE GROUP, FROM THE MEMBERSHIP, THEY DON'T KNOW WHO ARE GIVEN TO.

THEY JUST THEY PAY THEIR DUES.

DOES THAT MEAN IF SOMEBODY IS A MEMBER OF THAT GROUP AND THEY COME BEFORE US? AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO THIS, AND I THINK IT'S A VERY WORTHY CONVERSATION.

BUT THIS PARTICULAR APPROACH TO IT, I THINK, IS IS IS LAUDABLE.

AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD START.

BUT IF WE'RE REALLY GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF IMPROPRIETY, FROM AN OPTICS PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THIS DAIS OR IN THIS ROOM IS GOING TO BE INFLUENCED BY $501 ENOUGH TO CHANGE A VOTE.

I JUST DON'T THINK SO.

BUT THIS IS SORT OF SAYING THAT OR IT'S THE APPEARANCE OF IT.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS IT'S AN APPEARANCE, THEN WE NEED TO GO A LITTLE FURTHER.

AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, NOT IN THIS SHORT TIME.

WE HAVE TO DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT BUSINESS ENTITIES.

WHAT IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T OWN AN INTEREST IN THE BUSINESS BUT SOMEHOW THEY BENEFIT? THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT AND IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER TO HAMMER IT ALL OUT AND TO GET IT NAILED DOWN INSTEAD OF HAVING ALL OF THESE KIND OF THIS GRAY AREA THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN ALL THESE ETHICS COMPLAINTS START GETTING FILED, THEN YOU'VE GOT AN ISSUE.

SO THAT'S MY APPROACH ON IT.

I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS AS IT'S WRITTEN.

I'M NOT SAYING I CAN'T SUPPORT THE CONCEPT.

I'M SAYING I THINK THE CONCEPT CAN BE FURTHER DEFINED AND FURTHER ENLARGED TO REALLY CREATE SOMETHING THAT REALLY DOES SPEAK FROM THIS BODY SAYING, YOU KNOW.

YOU GET MORE THAN 500 HOURS.

YOU REALLY CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE SOME INFLUENCE IF WE ONLY LIMIT IT TO PEOPLE AT THE DAIS.

I THINK WE'RE MISSING HALF. I THINK WE'RE MISSING MORE THAN HALF OF THE POTENTIAL ISSUE BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE GIVE MONEY AND LOTS OF MONEY THAT'LL NEVER APPEAR BEFORE US ON SOME ENTITY OR ON SOME ASK FROM THE COUNCIL.

AND BY NO MEANS DOES THAT MEAN IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY $500 FROM SOMEBODY ASKING SOMETHING IS INFLUENCE.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY DON'T THAT THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE INFLUENCE AS FAR AS THE APPEARANCE OF IT.

SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THAT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR NOT CUT ME OFF.

I KNOW YOU WERE. YOU'RE ABOUT READY TO THROW SOMETHING AT ME, SO I APOLOGIZE.

NO, NOT AT ALL. OC ANYONE COUNCILMAN BERT.

ON MY DIRECTION IS THAT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS AS IS WRITTEN.

I THINK WE HAVE AMPLE ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK IN, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

LET'S START HERE.

AND IF WE NEED TO COME BACK, THEN WE WILL.

AND I'LL SAY SOMETHING ABOUT PACS AND I'LL SAY SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH ME.

THERE'S A PERSON HERE IN THIS TOWN THAT I KNOW IS VERY INFLUENTIAL AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF MONEY.

AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT ME.

AND I TOLD THEM, DO NOT GIVE ME A DIME.

I DON'T WANT YOUR MONEY.

I DON'T WANT ANY MONEY FROM ANY PACS.

I WANT MONEY FROM PEOPLE THAT WILL SUPPORT ME FOR WHAT I DO FOR THE CITY AND NOT FOR THEM IN THEIR GROUP.

SO THERE'S A WAY TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM INFLUENCING YOU WITH ANYTHING YOU'RE HERE FOR.

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SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS VERY SIGNIFICANT FOR ME AND I FULLY SUPPORT IT.

THANK YOU. CATHERINE MAGUIRE.

THANK YOU. I, I AGREE WITH ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT ANY OF THESE THINGS ARE NECESSARILY IN CONFLICT.

I REALLY FEEL THAT DEFINING A CONFLICT OF INTEREST REGARDING AN INDIVIDUAL OR AN ENTITY THAT'S COMING BEFORE A COUNCIL, ASKING FOR SOMETHING, A ZONING CHANGE OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, I THINK THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO TREAT THAT AS A SEPARATE ISSUE FROM LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS.

SO I'M I'M VERY OPEN TO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER BACK, MAYOR PRO TEM BACK.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF LANGUAGE LIKE OR RECEIPT OF MORE THAN $500 IN CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM AN INDIVIDUAL DURING AN ELECTION LIKE DURING A TWO YEAR ELECTION CYCLE, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

JUST JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING REAL SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT'S INBOUNDS AND WHAT'S OUT OF BOUNDS.

BUT AS THE BOARD OF ETHICS MEETS AGAIN TO RECOMMEND FUTURE FUTURE CHANGES TO THE ETHICS ORDINANCE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US EXPLORING LIMITING CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, WHETHER IT'S $500 OR ADDRESSING EXACTLY HOW WE HANDLE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM PACS.

I THINK A CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE HAD AROUND THAT.

I THINK IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING TODAY.

ANYONE ELSE. CUSTOMER MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. FIRST I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE IN THIS.

I THINK THAT I'VE HEARD THINGS THAT I AGREE WITH FROM EVERYONE HERE THIS AFTERNOON.

I WANT TO TAKE ISSUE WITH WHAT MY COLLEAGUE, MR. WATTS, SAID, I THINK.

I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE AMOUNT.

I THINK $500 IS ESSENTIALLY A BIT TOO LOW FOR ME.

I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE IN SAYING THAT I'M NOT SURE THAT ANYONE CAN BE BOUGHT BY $501.

I'M GENERALLY IN AGREEMENT OF THE CONCEPT.

THE DOLLAR AMOUNT GIVES ME CAUSE FOR PAUSE.

OK YES, SIR.

COUNCILMAN I JUST HAD A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THIS AS WELL AS AND I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER GET YOUR YOUR THOUGHTS.

I DON'T I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I MEAN, I'M STRUGGLING WITH IT IN GENERAL.

BUT THIS DOESN'T MENTION IN-KIND CONTRIBUTIONS.

I'M ASSUMING THE $500, AT LEAST AS IS PROPOSED, ENCAPSULATES IN-KIND CONTRIBUTIONS, BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE AN IN-KIND CONTRIBUTION IS THE SAME.

IT'S JUST SOMEBODY ELSE IS PAYING THE ACTUAL MONETARY DOLLARS.

SO I DIDN'T SEE IT IN HERE.

I DIDN'T SEE IT ADDRESSED OR CLARIFIED.

SO CERTAINLY IF YOU GO BACK AND AND LOOK AT THIS, I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY IF THIS APPLIES TO AMOUNT OF IN-KIND CONTRIBUTIONS AS WELL, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WOULDN'T, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.

I'M NOT CERTAIN IF A CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION IS DEFINED BY THE ORDNANCE JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

BUT I COULD PULL IT UP IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO KNOW.

I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO THAT.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK IF WE COME BACK OR WHEN WE COME BACK WITH MAYBE SOME MODIFICATION THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT, I MEAN, BECAUSE IT IS A CONTRIBUTION, YOU HAVE TO LIST IT ON YOUR CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORT AND GIVE IT A MONETARY VALUE.

TO US, MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I THINK WHILE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT AND I CLEARLY BROUGHT UP SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE VAGUE AND YOU'VE HEARD SOME SOME OTHER ISSUES HERE.

I THINK WE'RE WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL AND NOT LET THE PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD.

AND SO I GUESS I SAID I WOULD COME BACK FROM MY DIRECTION.

I THINK WE CAN START WITH THIS AS A PLACEHOLDER AND WORK FORWARD AND AS WE CAN ALWAYS ADJUST, ADDRESS THE AND ADJUST THE THE ETHICS ORDINANCES OVER TIME.

THAT'S THE POINT OF THE BOARD.

EVENTUALLY, WE WILL GET IT RIGHT THROUGH AN ITERATIVE PROCESS.

THERE'S THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO MODIFY OUR OWN, TO REPLACE WHOLE SECTIONS OF OUR CODE THAT MIGHT BE BETTER.

I DO THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR GROWTH, BUT I THINK IT'S IT'S WORTHWHILE HAVING A PLACEHOLDER TO TO TO REMIND US, IF NOTHING ELSE, THAT WE WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD IN THIS VEIN UNTIL WE REFINED IT A LITTLE BETTER.

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OK. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILWOMAN MCGEE. THANK YOU, MIA.

I'LL BE BRIEF. CAN YOU JUST GIVE ME SOME BACKGROUND? HOW DID WE GET TO FIVE? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THIS WAS LITIGATED, AS YOU CORRECTLY SAID, IN THE LAST CAMPAIGN CYCLE.

AND I THINK THE VOTERS MADE A DECISION.

SO HOW DID YOU ALL IN THE COMMITTEE GET TO $500 BEING THE AMOUNT AS OPPOSED TO 1000 OR 5000? THIS LANGUAGE AS IT IS PRESENTED HERE WAS PROPOSED BY A MEMBER OF THE BOARD AND WAS APPROVED.

THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF DISCUSSION OR REVIEW AT OTHER OF OTHER BENCHMARK CITIES ORDINANCES OR THE ETHICS MODEL ETHICS CODES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO I DON'T I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THAT PARTICULAR, BUT SOMEBODY PROPOSED A NUMBER AND THAT WAS THE NUMBER.

NO DISCUSSION REALLY ABOUT THE NUMBER.

I DON'T REMEMBER ANY, BUT.

ANYONE ELSE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU.

I'LL JUST. ON THIS POINT, I JUST WANT TO.

I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE DIRECTION, AS I SAID.

BUT I AM GOING TO GET SEEK CLARIFICATION BECAUSE IT'LL HELP ME DOWN THE ROAD.

SO. MR. CITY. ATTORNEY. THERE'S A PROHIBITION AGAINST FILING ETHICS COMPLAINTS WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF AN ELECTION CYCLE.

WAS THAT RECONCILED AGAINST THIS? BECAUSE THAT PROHIBITS A FILING OF A COMPLAINT DURING THE CYCLE? GIVE ME A MINUTE AND I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE SURE OF THAT.

BUT GENERALLY, OUR OFFICE, JUST TO BE AWARE, DOESN'T ADVISE ON ETHICS RELATED TO COUNSEL AND COMPLAINTS.

SO I'LL TAKE A QUICK LOOK AND LET YOU KNOW.

YEAH. OKAY. WELL, THEN, TO THAT POINT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A PROHIBITION BASED ON MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE ORDNANCE.

WELL, THERE WAS A FILE, THERE WAS A COMPLAINT.

THE MOST RECENT FILING, I THINK, WAS FILED DURING THAT TIME, AND IT WAS HELD UNTIL AFTERWARDS.

I THINK IT'S BAKED IN THERE.

BUT I COULD BE I COULD BE ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

SO WE'LL SEE. BUT THAT'S MY QUESTION.

IF MY MEMORY IF MY MEMORY IS WRONG, GREAT.

THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS BECAUSE IT IS IT'S A REAL THING WE'LL CONSIDER TODAY.

IT'S ON THE AGENDA. SO TOPICAL.

DID THE BODY CONSIDER RECALL ELECTIONS? BECAUSE WHAT YOU DO THEN IS YOU HAVE A.

CITIZENRY. THEY CAN RAISE AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY WANT.

THEN YOU HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT IS PROHIBITED FROM RAISING WHAT THEY WOULD NEED TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CONSIDERED THAT YOU COULD YOU COULD HAVE THESE ELECTIONS WHERE YOU HAVE SOMEONE NOT SUBJECT TO THE ORDINANCE ON ONE SIDE, SOMEONE BOUND BY THE ORDINANCE ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND IT CREATES AN UNFAIR BATTLE.

SO WHICH IS I MEAN, IF THAT'S WHAT THIS I'M HEARING THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE SUPPORT, GREAT.

JUST FOR MY EDIFICATION LATER, WANT TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT THAT.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAS CONSIDERED SPECIFICALLY DURING THE DISCUSSION.

YEAH. YES.

MAYBE THERE'S A PROHIBITION, BUT WHAT IT STATES IS THAT A COMPLAINT MUST BE BROUGHT WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE COMPLAINANT BECOMING AWARE OF THE ACT OR OMISSION THAT CONSTITUTED THE VIOLATION.

SO THAT'S THE SIX MONTH LIMITATION, IS YOU HAVE TO FILE THE COMPLAINT WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF FINDING OUT ABOUT IT.

THERE'S THERE'S NOT THE OPPOSITE OF A WINDOW WHERE YOU CAN'T FILE WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF AN ELECTION.

THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT IN THERE. REALLY.

OKAY. I STAND CORRECTED.

AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ADD NOW THIS IS FORWARD LOOKING.

THIS IS NOT THIS THIS FORWARD LOOKING, BECAUSE WE WON'T GET TO IT, BUT IT PIVOTS ON THIS.

AND THAT IS I'D LIKE TO ASK THE ETHICS BOARD TO LOOK AT OPEN RECORDS VIOLATIONS.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO MUNICIPAL LEVEL EFFECT FOR THAT.

AND SO AND THIS, LIKE ANY OTHER THING, PIVOTS ON INTEGRITY OF A SITTING COUNCIL MEMBER CANDIDATE TO TURN OVER WHAT'S WHAT'S REQUESTED.

RIGHT. SO THERE'S NO TEETH TO IT CURRENTLY.

IT'S THIS CONVOLUTED PROCESS.

SO I THINK AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, AGAIN, TO INSTILL TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY AND TO HAVE BUY IN, TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO TO FORCE SOME END RESULT THAT THAT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT SO THAT THAT'S ANOTHER THING.

AND THEN I'LL PICK UP WHERE WHEN IT COMES BACK, I WANT TO LOOK AT IN-KIND.

I THINK THAT'S A FAIR POINT. AND I ALSO THINK THERE'S A THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR SITTING COUNCIL MEMBERS OR JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT VEHICLES, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF YOU CLOSE ONE DOOR OR OTHER DOORS OPEN AND SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A COMPLETE PROHIBITION VERSUS FUNNELING THE WATER A DIFFERENT WAY.

RIGHT. AND SO THAT I'LL BE CURIOUS TO SEE HOW THAT'S ADDRESSED.

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I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD AND IT MAY BE WORTH IT JUST FOR THE COUNCIL AND YOUR WORK.

I MEAN, PARDON ME FOR THE BOARD AND ITS WORK TO FIND SOMEONE THAT PROBABLY PUT SOME DISTANCE BETWEEN IT.

RIGHT, LIKE THEIR OWN COUNCIL TEN YEARS AGO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND HAVE THEM SIT IN OR MAYBE PROVIDE YOU A DAY IN THE LIFE OF A CAMPAIGN SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT INSIGHT. RIGHT. SO THE $500 QUESTION LIKE, HEY, WHAT WHAT MATTERS AND WHAT PIVOTED, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO IF YOU FOUND SOMEONE THAT WAS ON COUNCIL AGAIN, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOURSELF SOME TIME, YOU KNOW, BUT A PERSON THAT WAS MUNICIPALLY ELECTED, YOU KNOW, 15 YEARS AGO, HEY, COME IN AND TALK TO US ABOUT THIS PROCESS, WHAT GOES ON, WHAT HAPPENS.

AND THAT WAY YOU HAVE A LOOK AT IT.

AND THAT WAY YOU UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, THE RECALL THING THAT HAPPENED TO JOEY HAWKINS, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S SOME THERE'S THERE'S SOME LESSONS LEARNED THERE THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY USEFUL. AND IT'S IT'S A WEIRD DYNAMIC.

BUT MAYBE AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WORK.

ANYONE ELSE, BEFORE I GO TO THE NEXT THING REAL QUICK? YES. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER BIRD HAD THE BEST ANSWER.

SHE SAID EVERYBODY CAN DO SOMETHING AND SHE DID EXACTLY WHAT EVERYBODY CAN DO.

AND THAT IS YOU CAN DECLINE A CONTRIBUTION.

YOU CAN SAY NO, AND WE ALL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

SO, MAYOR, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IT SEEMS LIKE FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, AT LEAST FROM WHAT HAS BEEN EXPRESSED, THAT IT'S THREE SORT OF OK WITH IT AS IT SITS, TAKE IT BACK, MASSAGE IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEN IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S AT LEAST SO COUNCIL MEMBER YOU DON'T I DON'T WANT PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT YOU'RE STRUGGLING WITH THE NUMBER.

SO I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SAY THAT YOU UNEQUIVOCALLY ACCEPT THIS AND AND WOULD SUPPORT THIS.

AND MAYOR, YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE DIRECTION AND I SAID I COULDN'T SUPPORT IT.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE DIRECTION IS SORT OF EVENLY SPLIT.

WE DON'T HAVE OUR OUR TIEBREAKER HERE.

I SAY THAT SORT OF LOVINGLY.

SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE THAT WHERE THAT LEAVES US.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, YOU JUST HAVE TO.

WE'LL PUT A PIN IN THIS ONE, BRING IT BACK.

IS THAT IS THAT WHAT YOU WHAT DO YOU THINK? WOULD IT BE SEND IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE THINGS ISSUES THAT YOU RAISED TODAY.

IS THAT. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE DIRECTION.

I JUST THINK IT COMES BACK WHEN WE HAVE ALL SEVEN OF US.

RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE KEY.

AND I'LL I WON'T HANG IT UP AGAIN.

IF I HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING, I WILL.

BUT I'D RATHER NOT IF I CAN IF I CAN AVOID IT.

BUT IF I'M NOT GOING TO, IT WON'T HAPPEN TWICE.

RIGHT? SO WE'LL GET EVERYBODY HERE, MAKE A DECISION.

ONWARD UP. WE WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF EVERY ONE TIME.

YOUR WORK SESSION. WOULD YOU LIKE FOR THE BOARD TO WEIGH IN ON IT AGAIN OR ME TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND INFORMATION ABOUT OTHER CITIES OR MODEL CODES? GOT IT. FAIR, FAIR QUESTION.

I'LL I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR ANOTHER ROUND OF DIRECTION ON HOW HOW THEY WANT HOW FOLKS WANTED TO COME BACK.

I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR WELL, I'LL DEFER TO, TO THE, TO THE THE.

VICE-CHAIR YOUR THOUGHTS? I MEAN, IS IT, WOULD IT BE WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE MOST HELPFUL? BECAUSE IF IT TOOK A YEAR TO GET HERE, I WANT TO, I WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.

IT'S TOUGH, RIGHT? IT'S HARD WORK.

AND SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE BEST FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, UNDERSTANDING THE BOARD.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

SO EVERYTHING THAT I'VE HEARD UP TO THIS POINT IS THAT WE JUST REALLY NEED TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AND HAVE A SECOND DISCUSSION TO REALLY KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING IN A DIRECTION THAT'S UNSETTLED GROUND BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE AS IT FEELS LIKE IT'S ON UNSETTLED GROUND AT THIS POINT.

SO IF WE CAN GET SOME MORE INFORMATION TOGETHER, MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT IT A SECOND TIME WITH MODEL CODE AND SOME OTHER THINGS, AND MAYBE THAT WOULD BE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.

SURE. YEAH.

NO, I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

YOUR INSIGHTS. VERY IMPORTANT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

OKAY. SO ANY DISCUSSION THAT THEY CAN THEN NOTE WHEN THEY SO THAT SO THE BOARD WILL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT WITH INFORMATION YOU FIND IN DIRECTION.

SO. COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO IN GIVING DIRECTION, AS I SAID, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE AMOUNT.

SO I WOULD LOVE IT IF IF YOU THINK IT WOULD HELP TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IT'S 2022, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS AT THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL, THE LOWEST LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT TAKE TO RUN, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE AMOUNT OF $500.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE FOR YOU TO PERHAPS LOOK AT WHAT OTHER CITIES DON'T LOOK AT.

BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA, LOOK AT WHAT LITTLE ELM AND LEWISVILLE AND FRISCO AND THE COLONY.

LET'S LOOK AT SOME NEIGHBORING NEARBY CITIES AND MATCH THIS AS TO TO WHAT THEY DO, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

AND I WOULD BE I'D BE MUCH MORE AMENABLE TOWARD TOWARD TOWARD GETTING THERE.

BUT LIKE I SAID, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH AN AMOUNT THAT LOW.

THANK YOU. ALSO REAL QUICK, IN-KIND THAT'S A VERY FAIR POINT BY THE MAYOR LOOKING AT IN-KIND DONATIONS IF WE'RE GOING TO ADD THIS IN OR NOT.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YES.

ANYONE ELSE. DIRECTOR O MAYOR PRO TEM.

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HAVING THE SAME PROBLEMS. COUNCILOR. WHAT'S THE.

I GAVE SOME OF MY DIRECTION ALREADY.

THINGS THAT I WAS INTERESTED IN.

SO I WON'T REPEAT THAT.

I THINK THERE IS SOME SOME ROOM ALSO FOR CLEARER DISCUSSION ON DISCLOSURE.

PROBABLY SOME ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURE WOULD WOULD HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THESE THESE SHARP LINES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE WHAT DO WE DO IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES? PROBABLY I WON'T I WON'T SHOULDN'T SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE IN COUNSEL, BUT YOU MIGHT FIND THAT THERE IS A WITH APPROPRIATE UPDATES AND MORE DISCLOSURE.

MAYBE THEN THE NUMBERS CAN BE WHERE A CONSENSUS CAN BE REACHED.

AND SO I'LL JUST INCLUDE THAT.

THE YOU'VE OF SUNSHINE IS IS A NICE DISINFECTANT.

SO. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN WATSON? YEAH.

MY DIRECTION. I SEE NO PROBLEM WITH TAKING IT BACK TO THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE SOME.

I REALLY APPRECIATED THE QUESTION ABOUT COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE, ABOUT WHERE DID THE $500 COME FROM? THAT'S THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

AND I THINK TO FLUSH THAT OUT MORE, IF IT WAS ONE PERSON AND THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION, IT'S GOOD TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT'S REALLY WHAT I SAID.

WHAT ARE THE INTERESTS, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS? BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS, IS WHAT IS THE UNDERLYING INTEREST IN ORDER TO FORM AN ORDINANCE TO DO THIS? SO YEAH, I THINK TAKE IT BACK, YOU GUYS.

YOU'VE CERTAINLY DONE SOME GOOD WORK.

YOU'RE DOING SOME GOOD WORK.

AND TO JUST THE THE QUESTION THAT WAS ALSO GIVEN AT THE SAME TIME THAT MAYOR PRO TEM MELTZER PROVIDED HIS AS FAR AS IF A COUNCIL PERSON PAYS SOMEONE WHO'S THEN GOING TO BE ON A BORDER COMMISSION.

AT WHAT POINT DOES THAT GET DISCLOSED? I THINK THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

SO, YEAH, I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH SENDING IT BACK AND JUST LET YOU GUYS SORT OF MASSAGE IT A LITTLE BIT AND SEE WHAT YOU COME UP WITH.

AND JUST TO THAT POINT, THE BOARD IS CURRENTLY WORKING TO DISCUSS THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST SESSION KIND OF AS A WHOLE AND LOOK AT IT MORE IN DETAIL COMPARED TO OTHER MODELS. THE MODEL CODE MODEL CODES AS WELL AS BENCHMARK CITIES.

SO THAT'S ALL COMING AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, WHICH IS JUST GOING TO TAKE A COUPLE OF MEETINGS TO GET THROUGH.

SURE. NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Y'ALL DON'T GET PAID ENOUGH, SO THANK YOU, OK.

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM THREE.

NO, STILL HAVE A COUPLE MORE PROPOSALS.

YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THE NEXT.

NEXT ONE. YES, NEXT ONE.

AND COME BACK UP HERE.

THANK YOU. SORRY.

ALL RIGHT. SO THE SECOND OR THIRD PROPOSAL SORRY WAS RECOMMENDED IN JUNE OF 2021.

AND IT CLARIFIES THE PRELIMINARY PANEL'S ETHICS COMPLAINT REVIEW PROCEDURES.

THE PROS LANGUAGE CHAIN IS PRESENTED ON THE SLIDE, AND THESE WERE KIND OF RECOMMENDED IN RESPONSE TO JUST SOME UPDATES MADE TO THE ETHICS COMPLAINT FORM IN JANUARY OF 2021.

AND KIND OF THE BIG DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT IT KIND OF CLARIFIES WHAT THE CONTENTS OF THE COMPLAINT INCLUDE.

SO IT'S NOT JUST THE ACTUAL COMPLAINT FORM, BUT INCLUDES OTHER DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED AS WELL AS VIDEO AND AUDIO AND HYPERLINKS.

AND THEN ALSO THAT THEY MAY LOOK AT THE COMPLAINT FORM HAS LIKE A CHECKBOX.

BASICALLY IT SAYS, WHICH ONE DO YOU THINK THAT WAS VIOLATED? AND IT SAYS THAT THE PANEL MAY REVIEW, MAY DETERMINE THAT IT WAS ANOTHER VIOLATION, JUST IN CASE THE COMPLAINANT DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE ORDINANCE AS EARLY AS THEY NEEDED TO.

SO DIRECTION.

GUESS IF THERE'S ANY ONE AGAINST IT.

LET'S HEAR FROM THEM.

OK. ANY SUGGESTIONS CHANGES? CNN. AND THEN JUST GENERAL, ANYONE WOULD JUST WANT TO BE ON THE RECORD FOR COMMENTS.

ANYONE? CNN.

ALL RIGHT. THE FOURTH PROPOSAL WAS RECOMMENDED IN OCTOBER OF 2021 AND CLARIFIES WITHIN THE ETHICS ORDINANCE THE PRELIMINARY PANEL'S ABILITY TO RECOMMEND THAT A HEARING BE DETERMINED IF A TO DETERMINE IF A COMPLAINT IS FRIVOLOUS BEFORE DETERMINING IF IT IS ACTIONABLE OR BASELESS.

SO THE PROPOSED CHANGES PRESENTED ON THE SLIDE AND BASICALLY THIS ORIGINALLY CAME AND WAS IN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, IT JUST WASN'T MADE CLEAR IN THE ORDINANCE.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS LANGUAGE IS TRYING TO DO.

COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S. AND THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ORDER OF THAT.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ORDER.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO REASON TO FIGURE OUT IF IT'S BASELESS OR ACTIONABLE, IF YOU THINK THAT IT'S JUST TOTALLY RIDICULOUS AND FRIVOLOUS.

SO, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, IS THERE A MOUNTING CONCERN IS IF THAT'S THE FIRST THING OUT OF THE CHUTE, IF IT'S FOUND TO BE FRIVOLOUS, WHAT APPEALS PROCESS, IF ANY, IS THERE IN THAT REGARD? BECAUSE THIS IS IS THIS THE THREE MEMBER PANEL HERE MAKING THAT DECISION? THEY'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO HOLD A HEARING.

BUT AT THAT TIME DURING THE HEARING, THAT'S WHEN IT'S DETERMINED IF IT'S FRIVOLOUS.

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IT REQUIRES YOU TO SUBMIT A NEW EVIDENCE, BASICALLY.

AND THE CHAIR HAS SOLE DISCRETION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO HOLD ANOTHER HEARING WITH THAT EVIDENCE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S A THAT'S SORT OF AN OBSERVATION SLASH ALMOST A CONCERN I HAVE BECAUSE I'VE READ THAT IN THE ORDINANCE.

AND SO NEW EVIDENCE CAN COME UP AT ANY TIME.

AND I THINK PART OF THE THE FLESHING OUT OF THAT IS WHEN DID IT COME UP? AND IF YOU KNEW ABOUT IT BEFORE AND YOU DIDN'T PRESENT IT WITH YOUR COMPLAINT, ALL THAT'S DISPOSITIVE IN ADDRESSING THAT.

BUT TO HAVE IT ONLY WITH THE CHAIR, THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR, THAT SORT OF CONCERNS ME WITH NEW EVIDENCE, BECAUSE NEW EVIDENCE IS NEW EVIDENCE.

AND I THINK IF SOMEONE'S FILED A COMPLAINT AND IT CERTAINLY IF IT'S FOUND TO BE FRIVOLOUS, WHICH THERE ARE THINGS THAT AT LEAST I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY PEOPLE WORKING ON THINGS YOU CAN DO OR NOT DO.

IF SOMEBODY IS FOUND TO BE FRIVOLOUS, EITHER SANCTIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN.

I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A PROCESS WHERE NEW EVIDENCE, I THINK, IS A LITTLE BIT SCRUTINIZED MORE THAN JUST BY SAYING NOTHING ABOUT ANYBODY, ANY PERSONALITY. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SAYING, HEY, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BEST IF THERE WAS SOMETHING MORE FORMAL FOR THAT.

MAYBE IT'S THE THREE PANEL, MAYBE IT'S THE SAME THREE PANEL THAT YOU GO BACK AND SAY, HERE, HERE'S NEW EVIDENCE.

THE COMPLAINT GETS TO TESTIFY AND GIVE STATEMENTS, AND THAT WAY IT MIGHT.

I JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE A BETTER DUE PROCESS THAN SIMPLY SOMEONE SAYING IT'S TOO LATE, TOO BAD.

SO SAD. SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE RECOMMENDATION.

SOMETHING I WOULD SAY LOOK AT.

BECAUSE IF IT'S NOTHING NEW, IT'S NOTHING NEW.

BUT, YOU KNOW, NEW EVIDENCE CAN CROP UP AT ANY TIME, ANYWHERE, ESPECIALLY ONCE THINGS BECOME KNOWN AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE INFORMATION MAY JUST FIND OUT ABOUT IT. AND THEN IT ONLY COMES FORTH AFTER THE TIME FRAME HAS PASSED.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A SORT OF A ONE SHOT AT IT WITH ONE PERSON.

OKAY. AND WHAT ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM. ARE THERE OTHER SIMILAR SCOPED ACTIONS THAT THE CITY TAKES RELATED TO? WATSON'S COMMENTS WHERE WE HAVE A SINGLE POINT PERSON IN CHARGE OR NOT IN CHARGE IS THAT THERE ARE OTHER ACTIONS WHERE THERE'S A SINGLE DECISION POINT, A SINGLE PERSON TO DECISION POINT WITHIN THE BOARD OF ETHICS.

JUST IN GENERAL, ACROSS THE CITY'S FUNCTIONS.

I. FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

LET'S LIMIT IT TO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, TO BE HONEST.

OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW OF ANY SARAH.

AS FAR AS SIMILAR PROCESSES.

I THINK HE'S. QUESTION IS IF ONE SINGLE BOARD MEMBER MAKES A DECISION ON SOMETHING.

WELL. USUALLY IT'S IT'S HANDLED BY VOTES AND AN ITEM COMES FORWARD.

IT'S MAYBE RECOMMENDED.

OTHERS HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT AND AGREE ON IT AND THEN IT'S VOTED ON.

SO IT'S NOT THE SAME AS THIS.

IF IT'S SOMEBODY ONLY PUTTING SOMETHING ON THERE AND NOT EVERYONE DISCUSSES IT AND NOT EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT IT AND IT'S A VOTE TAKEN, IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT THE SAME AS OTHER BOARDS. AND SO DO WE HAVE OTHER TO FOLLOW THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.

THANK YOU, SARAH. DO WE HAVE OTHER WHAT OTHER APPEALS MECHANISMS THEIR ZBA HAS HAS AN APPEALS PROCESS? WHAT OTHER APPEALS BOARDS AND COMMISSION PROCESSES DO WE HAVE? AND THE REASON THE CONTENT, THE CONTEXT OF ALL THIS IS WHAT IS, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE SAME, WHAT IS SIMILAR THAT WE'RE DOING ALREADY IN THE CITY.

AND I KNOW FOR THIS, FOR INSTANCE, IF A PANEL DETERMINES THE COMPLAINT TO BE BASELESS, THERE'S ALSO AN APPEALS PROCESS AT THAT POINT WHERE THE COMPLAINANT COULD APPEAL THE DETERMINATION AND IT WOULD JUST GO TO THE FULL BOARD.

SO THERE IS ALREADY A REMEDY.

IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE DECISION OF THE CHAIR, THEY APPEAL THAT WELL OF THE PANEL.

THERE'S A THERE'S A REMEDY IF THEY IF THE PANEL'S DETERMINATION IS IN QUESTION AND ALSO FOR IF THE FULL BOARD AT A HEARINGS DETERMINATION IS IN QUESTION IF ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE IS PRESENTED CURRENTLY.

YEAH, BUT THE DECISION THE DECISION ON WHETHER NEW EVIDENCE IS ALLOWED AT THE HEARING, AT A HEARING IS SUBJECT TO ONE PERSON.

AND I CAN TELL YOU, THERE'S NOT ONE BOARD OF COMMISSION IN THIS CITY THAT IF IF YOU'RE ON PLANNING AND ZONING AND YOU'RE THE CHAIR AND SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY, I GOT NEW EVIDENCE FOR THIS ZONING CASE THAT WOULD BE DISPOSITIVE.

THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION BY THEMSELVES.

SO THIS IS IS DIFFERENT.

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ONE PERSON DECIDING.

I THINK IT WOULD BE I MEAN, IF IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO CALL THE FULL BOARD, YOU COULD CALL THE PANEL THAT HEARD IT ORIGINALLY.

YOU CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE A NEW PANEL BECAUSE YOU'D WANT THAT HISTORICAL CONTEXT.

BUT IF YOU'VE GOT EVIDENCE, NEW EVIDENCE, THEN AND THEN IF SOMEHOW IT'S NOT NEW EVIDENCE, THEN YOU CAN PUT IN SOMETHING THAT SAYS, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO PUNISH YOU IN THIS WAY.

I MEAN, YOU CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO WASTE THE BOARD'S TIME WITH THAT.

IT NEEDS TO BE. AND MAYBE THERE COULD BE SOME PRELIMINARY HEARING ABOUT THAT WITHOUT THE COMPLAINANT TESTIFY.

I MEAN, THERE'S SOME THERE'S ALL KINDS OF PROCESSES YOU COULD PUT IN PLACE.

BUT I THINK IF IF NEW EVIDENCE ARISES, BECAUSE THERE'S A TIME FRAME THAT ONCE YOU FILE A COMPLAINT, LOUD NEW EVIDENCE.

RIGHT. I'M INTERRUPTING. I'M GONNA LET HIM FINISH HIS THOUGHT.

OH, SORRY. SORRY, BRIAN.

I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU.

I TOLD YOU, YOU HAVE TO JUST HAVE TO.

YOU HAVE TO THROW SOMETHING AT ME.

I APOLOGIZE. MY APPROACH IN THAT, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE.

SO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I APPRECIATE YOU WATCHING OUT.

FOR ME, THE THE PART OF THE QUESTION THAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO IS, IF WE HAVE ANY COMPARABLES, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT I THINK THAT'S NOT REALLY MUCH IN THE LANGUAGE AS AS WRITTEN.

SO MY DIRECTION IS TO SUPPORT THE LANGUAGE AS WRITTEN.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCILOR, WHAT'S HIS COMMENT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT A FUTURE SESSION OF THE BOARD OF ETHICS ADDRESSES WHETHER THAT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT. BUT FOR THIS LANGUAGE TO KEEP US ON TASK, MY DIRECTION IS TO SUPPORT THIS LANGUAGE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

OKAY. GOOD POINT. I AGREE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM, FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE, COUNCILOR BIRD? I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT THIS LANGUAGE.

IT JUST GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO AGAIN, LIKE THE LAST POINT THAT WE HAD IS TO SCOPE IT OUT AND SEE IF IT ACTUALLY IS GOING TO KEEP US ON TASK AS A CITY.

I THINK THAT COMING BACK TO THE CHAIR TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION IS FAIRLY APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THE CHAIR HAS BEEN THERE, YOU KNOW, ALL ALONG.

IF IT'S GOING TO COME THROUGH, THEY ARE THEY ALREADY HAVE THE HISTORY OF IT AND THEY CAN MAKE THE DETERMINATION THEY CAN IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HOLD THEY CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT A HEARING WILL BE SET FORTH.

SO I'M I'M GOOD WITH WHAT I'M SEEING HERE, AND I THINK THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE.

THANKS. ANYONE ELSE.

OK, CNN.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE.

HE GAVE ME A THUMBS UP. SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS FOR BUT I FOR THIS LANGUAGE.

OK. COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE.

IF A VOCALIZATION OF SUPPORT IS NEEDED, I SUPPORT THE LANGUAGE AS.

AS WRITTEN. OK.

GOT IT. ME TOO. THAT'S MARY.

WAS MARY? YES.

YEAH, ME TOO. THAT WAS A THUMBS UP.

YES. I DON'T WANT GET IN THE HABIT OF SPEAKING ABOUT EVERYTHING BECAUSE I WANT TO DRAG US DOWN.

I DON'T WANT. SO THUMBS UP.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT.

ONLY TWO MORE. THE FIFTH PROPOSAL WAS RECOMMENDED IN SEPTEMBER 2021 AND ADJUST THE CRITERIA USED TO ASSIGN BOARD MEMBERS TO PRELIMINARY PANELS BY PROHIBITING ASSIGNMENT.

IF THE BOARD MEMBER HAS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED AN ETHICS COMPLAINT AGAINST THE RESPONDENT IN QUESTION AND THE PROPOSAL LANGUAGE IS ON THE SLIDES AND IT DOES INCLUDE AN EXCEPTION IF A MAJORITY OF BOARD MEMBERS HAVE SUBMITTED AN ETHICS COMPLAINT AGAINST THE RESPONDENT.

OKAY. HOPEFULLY IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.

SORRY. YEP.

NO. ANY ANY.

ANYONE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR WOULD BE AGAINST THIS? SEE? NONE. SIX PROPOSAL WAS RECOMMENDED IN MARCH 2022, AND IT CLARIFIES THE RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT STAFF FOLLOW WHEN AN ADVISORY OPINION REQUEST IS RECEIVED.

THE EXACT LANGUAGE IS PRESENTED ON THE SLIDE.

IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD BE ADJUSTMENTS OR BE AGAINST THIS IMPLEMENTATION? OR ANY COMMENTS.

ALL RIGHT, CNN.

ALL RIGHT. SORRY.

AND THEN FINALLY, THIS IS JUST SOME MINOR VERBIAGE, CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED AS CLEANUP ITEMS. THEY'RE NOT REALLY SUBSTANTIVE IN ANY WAY.

JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE.

GREAT. AND SO THEN KIND OF THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE WITH THE PROPOSALS THAT GOT APPROVED.

SO ONE, THREE, FOUR, FIVE AND SIX TODAY, AS WELL AS THE MINOR VERBIAGE CHANGES THAT WILL BE INCLUDED ON A FUTURE MEETING FOR ADOPTION.

OKAY. AND THEN.

YES. AND THEN WE CAN HAVE IT.

IF WE COULD PUT IT ON, I'D RATHER IT NOT BE ON CONSENT WHEN IT COMES BACK, JUST SO IF THERE'S MOVING PARTS, ETC., ETC.

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IT JUST NEEDS TO NOT COME BACK.

WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT IT ON ICE.

YEAH. GREAT.

REAL QUICK QUESTION, MAYOR.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS WOULD BE WITHOUT OUTSIDE OF POSTING.

SO IF YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED THE BOARD OF ETHICS CONSIDER, WHAT'S THE PROCESS? I MEAN. YEAH, NO, I JUST I ADDED MINE HERE.

SO I GUESS BY ALL MEANS, JUST MAKE A NOTE.

NO, NO. YEAH. REAL QUICK.

JUST. I KNOW IN THE LAST HEARING ON FRIVOLITY OF THE LAST, THERE WAS AND I'LL LISTEN TO SOME OF IT.

THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT CONFIDENTIALITY AND WHETHER THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISION IN THE BOARD OF ETHICS APPLIES TO THE COMPLAINANT OR JUST CITY OFFICIALS.

I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S IT'S CLEAR.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S CLEAR.

I'VE GOT MY OWN OPINION ABOUT IT. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GET SOME CLARITY ON ON WHAT THAT WHAT THAT APPLIES TO.

AT THE BOARD MEETING LAST NIGHT, THE BOARD DISCUSSED THAT ISSUE.

AND I BELIEVE LANGUAGE WILL COME FORWARD IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER TO CLARIFY THAT.

GREAT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HAVE NOTES FOR FOR THE BOARD VIA THE CITY AUDITOR? ANY NOTES, SUGGESTIONS? COMMENTS. GREAT.

THANK YOU. TAKES US TO ITEM.

[C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the role of City Council Committees, membership to subcommittees and other internal/external groups, and their associated nomination and appointment processes. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

WHOLE DISCUSSION GIVES STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE ROLE OF CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEES, MEMBERSHIP TO SUBCOMMITTEES AND OTHER INTERNAL EXTERNAL GROUPS AND THEIR ASSOCIATED NOMINATION AND APPOINTMENT PROCESSES.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS ROSA RIOS AND I'M YOUR CITY SECRETARY.

SO I'M GOING TO PRESENT THE CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE PROCESS FOR THIS YEAR.

THE OBJECTIVE IS TO REVIEW THE CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE RESPONSIBILITIES AND PROVIDE A GENERAL PURVIEW, AS WELL AS REVIEW THE LIST OF CURRENT CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEES TO DISCUSS THE COMMITTEE APPOINTMENT PROCESS AND IDENTIFY THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE SOME INTERESTS AND NEEDED APPOINTMENTS AS REQUESTED AND IDENTIFIED BY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND.

THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE APPOINTMENT PROCESS ARE REVIEWED ANNUALLY, PRETTY MUCH AFTER EVERY ELECTION CYCLE OR AS NEEDED IF WHEN A TERM MAY MAY END FOR AN EXTERNAL COMMITTEE.

THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE MEMBERS SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL WITH SUCCESSORS BEING APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE THERE IS ONE INTERNAL COMMITTEE WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE POINT AND AUTHORITY, AND WE'LL COVER THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.

FOR THIS CYCLE, THE FOUR INDIVIDUAL APPOINTMENTS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE ASKED TO IDENTIFY THE COMMITTEES OF CHOICE AND A LOT OF DETAIL WAS PROVIDED AS PART OF THE ISR YOU SEE NOTED HERE FOR THE MAY 13 FRIDAY REPORT.

AND IT KIND OF DETAILED ALSO THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY AND WHERE THE REGULATION CAME AS TO THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY.

FOR THE OVERSIGHT AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE DENTON CITY CODE DOES DETAIL THAT THE COUNCIL MAY, BY RESOLUTION, CREATE AN APPOINT MEMBERS TO THE COUNCIL COMMITTEES, AND THAT ANY COMMITTEE CREATED CHARLOTTE CEASE TO EXIST AGAIN BY RESOLUTION OF THE COUNCIL, AND THAT THE COMMITTEES ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

THE COUNCIL COMMITTEES DO CONSIST OF THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP IS DETERMINED BY THE MAYOR APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

AGAIN, THERE IS ONE THAT DOES IS REQUIRED FOR FOR APPOINTMENT BY CITY COUNCIL AS A WHOLE.

AND OF COURSE, HISTORICALLY, WHAT THE MAYOR HAS ALLOWED OR REQUESTED IS INPUT FROM HIS PEERS IN TRYING TO DETERMINE THE APPOINTMENT AND LEVEL OF INTEREST ON THE INTERNAL COUNCIL COMMITTEES.

THE PRESIDING OFFICER, THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE HAS CHOSEN IS CHOSEN THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE.

THERE ARE OTHER EXTERNAL BOARDS, AGAIN, THAT HAVE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS AS TO THE APPOINTMENT.

SO THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE INDIVIDUAL COMMITTEES TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL.

THE COMMITTEES WILL EVALUATE PROJECTS, POTENTIAL POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS PRIOR TO INFORMATION BEING PRESENTED AND CONSIDERED BY THE FULL CITY COUNCIL.

AND OF COURSE, SIMILAR TO THE TWO MINUTE PITCH, IF THERE'S ANY POLICY ITEM OR INITIATIVE THAT THE COMMITTEE DETERMINES, THEY WOULD LIKE STAFF TO RESEARCH.

THAT REQUIRES OVER 2 HOURS STAFF TIME.

THE THE ITEM WOULD BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL UNDER A TWO MINUTE PITCH, PRIMARILY THROUGH THE CHAIR.

THE COMMITTEES DO NOT SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL OR THE COMMUNITY ITSELF, AND THEN ENDORSEMENT OF AN ISSUE OR POLICY BY COUNCIL.

COMMITTEE DOES NOT NECESSARILY GUARANTEE THAT THE FULL CITY COUNCIL WILL ENDORSE THAT THAT POSITION.

SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THE CURRENT COMMITTEES THAT WE NEED APPOINTMENT FOR THIS YEAR, THE STANDING COMMITTEES, THOSE ARE BASICALLY OUR INTERNAL COMMITTEES FOR THE COMMITTEE ON THE

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THOSE MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR.

COUNCIL CONFIRMS THE APPOINTMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE.

THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY AND PRIMARILY THAT IS BECAUSE IF YOU'LL SEE KIND OF A CROSS REFERENCE OVER HERE TO THE DISCOVERED DENTON, TWO OF THOSE MEMBERS ARE REQUIRED TO BE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE AND OF COURSE THERE ARE SEVERAL EXTERNAL COMMITTEES AND WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AND I'LL IDENTIFY WHAT THE DIRECTION IS NEEDED FROM THE CITY COUNCIL TODAY.

SO THE NEXT STEP IS WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED ASSIGNMENTS TO THE TWO INTERNAL COMMITTEES AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, DETERMINE WHETHER CITY COUNCIL WILL AGREE TO THOSE APPOINTMENTS AND OF COURSE, OR IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES OR ADJUSTMENTS THAT THE MAYOR MAY WANT TO CONSIDER BASED ON INPUT FROM THE MEMBERS.

WE'LL ALSO DISCUSS THE COUNCIL MEMBER IDENTIFIED COMMITTEES OF INTEREST FOR EXTERNAL BOARDS AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT CITY COUNCIL WILL SUPPORT THOSE AS PRESENTED OR RECOMMEND ANY CHANGES.

AND OF COURSE, WHATEVER COMES OUT OF THE WORK SESSION ON THESE ASSIGNMENTS FOR THE NOTED BOARDS, WE WILL PRESENT TO YOU AT THE JUNE 28TH COUNCIL MEETING.

SO I'M GOING TO TAKE THESE A LITTLE BIT SLOW.

SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THE TWO INTERNAL COMMITTEES WHERE THE THE MAYOR APPOINTS AND CITY COUNCIL WILL CONFIRM THE APPOINTMENT FOR THE COMMITTEE ON THE ENVIRONMENT.

WE DO HAVE ONE EXISTING VACANCY AND THE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS CURRENTLY SERVING ON THAT COMMITTEE.

ON THAT COMMITTEE.

COUNCIL MEMBER OR MAYOR PRO TEM BECK AND COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS HAVE INDICATED AN INTEREST TO BE REAPPOINTED.

THERE WAS NO THIRD COUNCIL MEMBER THAT INDICATED AN INTEREST FOR THAT THIRD SEAT.

HOWEVER, THE MAYOR IS PROPOSING TO APPOINT COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE WHO WOULD BE THE NEW MEMBER, AND IT ALSO ALLOWS HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ON A COMMITTEE FOR THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE. AGAIN, WE ALSO HAVE AN EXISTING VACANCY THERE AND WE DID HAVE THE TWO OF THE EXISTING MEMBERS INDICATE AN INTEREST TO CONTINUE SERVING.

ALSO, MAYOR PRO TEM BECK AND OUR NEWLY ELECTED COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS AND THE MAYOR IS PROPOSING TO APPOINT THE TWO EXISTING REAPPOINT THE TWO EXISTING MEMBERS ALONG WITH NEWLY ELECTED COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS.

SO IF I CAN POSSIBLY GET SOME DIRECTION, IF ANY, ON THOSE TWO, AND THEN I CAN PROCEED TO THE OTHERS.

SO IS THERE ANYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH THOSE SO THAT WE CAN.

HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.

OKAY. CNN.

THANK YOU. SO NOW WE MOVE TO THE FIRST BATCH OF CITY COUNCIL OR THE EXTERNAL, INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL COMMITTEES WHERE CITY COUNCIL IS THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY.

AS DETAILED EARLIER FOR THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE.

TWO OF THOSE MEMBERS MUST BE MEMBERS OF THE DISCOVERED DENTON ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH IS WHY I KIND OF GROUPED THESE TOGETHER.

SO FOR RIGHT AND ALL OF THE EXISTING MEMBERS HAVE INDICATED AN INTEREST TO CONTINUE IN THAT SAME CLASSIFICATION OR THE SPECIAL QUALIFICATION CATEGORY.

COUNCIL MEMBERS BYRD AND MAGUIRE.

AGAIN, THEY WOULD SERVE AS, YOU KNOW, DESIRE TO CONTINUE ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT ALSO ON THE DISCOVERED DENTON ADVISORY BOARD.

AND HISTORICALLY, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE HAVE MAINTAINED THE THIRD POSITION AS A VACANT SEAT ONLY BECAUSE THE MAYOR IS AUTOMATICALLY A MEMBER ON THE DISCOVERED DENTON ADVISORY BOARD.

AND IF WE APPOINT THE TWO REQUIRED MEMBERS AND THEN A THIRD MEMBER, THEN WE WOULD ESTABLISH A POTENTIAL QUORUM ON THAT BOARD.

THE DISCOVERY AND ADVISORY BOARD STAFF UNDERSTANDS THAT WE MAY NOT APPOINT ANY MEMBER TO THAT THIRD SEAT, AND THEY'RE EVEN WILLING TO CONSIDER A POTENTIAL CHANGE TO THEIR TO THEIR TO THEIR BYLAWS, HOPEFULLY.

AND IF THAT'S THE DESIRE, THEN MAYBE THE EXISTING MEMBERS COULD PRESENT THAT AS A POTENTIAL CHANGE.

SO I'LL TAKE ANY INPUT IN ANY COMMENTS HERE.

CNN. THANK YOU.

SO TO CONTINUE THOSE WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY THAT DENTON COUNTY DOES HAVE THREE LEADERSHIP TEAMS FOR THE COUNTY FOR THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.

AGAIN, THE MEMBERS CAN BE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, SENIOR STAFF, EXECUTIVE OR COMMUNITY MEMBER.

MAYOR HUDSPETH IS THE EXISTING MEMBER AND WISHES TO CONTINUE IN THAT CAPACITY FOR THE HOMELESSNESS LEADERSHIP TEAM.

MAYOR HUDSPETH DESIRES TO CONTINUE IN THAT CAPACITY.

HISTORICALLY, THE SECOND SEAT HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF A STAFF MEMBER OR POTENTIALLY A CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE REPRESENTATIVE.

AND SO WHAT I'M THINKING TODAY, AGAIN, IS DO YOU WISH TO CONTINUE WITH THE EXISTING MEMBERSHIP OR AND THEN FOR THIS PARTICULAR TEAM, LEAVE A CITY MANAGER OR A CITY STAFF MEMBER AS A SECOND MEMBER, AND THEN FOR THE WORKFORCE SUCCESS LEADERSHIP TEAM.

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OKAY, GREAT. THAT GROUP FIRST.

THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS THERE? BECAUSE MAGUIRE. I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT GETTING THIS TO THERESA AHEAD OF TIME.

I WAS SORT OF DEBATING WHETHER I WANTED TO TO PUT MY HAT IN THE RING FOR THE DEN COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH LEADERSHIP TEAM.

IT'S NOT A HILL THAT I'M WILLING TO DIE ON.

MAYOR HUDSPETH, IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THAT ONE.

BUT I THINK THAT I'M BEING A MENTALLY ILL PERSON MYSELF.

I THINK THAT I BRING VALUABLE, PERSONAL, REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE TO TO THAT THAT LEADERSHIP TEAM, THAT LIKELY A LOT OF OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BRING.

GOT IT. NO, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE THERE.

AND THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE THAT THEY APPROACHED STAFF WHEN WE WERE WHEN FIRST ELECTED AND SAID THAT THE MAYOR'S TRADITION SERVED THERE.

AND SO BUT THEY'RE OPEN MEETINGS.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT INPUT, NO QUESTION.

AND HAPPY TO TO DISCUSS.

AND YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE ACCESS TO STAFF, SO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO BOTH SEATS TO INFORM DECISIONS, OBVIOUSLY ATTEND THE MEETINGS AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT SEEM AS A PROHIBITION.

I JUST THINK THERE'S WITH THE WORK THAT WE DO OUTSIDE OF THIS COUNCIL, FROM THIS SEAT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION, TO CARRY IT FORWARD INTO THOSE MEETINGS TO TO TO GAIN SUPPORT FOR THE BOARD, FOR OUR, OUR COMMUNITY OUTSIDE OF OUR NORMAL COUNCIL SESSION.

SO JUST OTHER MEETINGS I ATTEND THAT WE CAN LEVERAGE THAT INFORMATION OR EDUCATE PEOPLE, BE IT LEWISVILLE, ETC., ETC., AND PARTNER WITH THEM AND GET GET ADDITIONAL BUY IN.

SO FAIR ENOUGH.

I'M I'M OPEN TO TO HAVING MAYOR HUDSPETH CONTINUE IN THAT ROLE, AND I INTEND TO FOLLOW THOSE MEETINGS MORE CLOSELY AND WORK ON GETTING MORE INVOLVED.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. INWARDS, COUNCILMAN BERT.

CITY SECRETARY FOR THE FOR THE PEOPLE.

COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT UNEXPIRED TERM MEANS? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO SO, OF COURSE, THE VACANCY WAS CREATED AS A RESULT OF AN OUTGOING COUNCIL MEMBER.

SO THAT TERM FOR THAT SEAT, THAT SPECIFIC SEAT ENDS JUNE 30TH OF 2023.

SO THE MEMBER WOULD BE THE WHOEVER IS APPOINTED TO THE WORKFORCE SUCCESS LEADERSHIP TEAM, THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD START SERVING EFFECTIVE THAT DATE THAT COUNCIL APPOINTS AND THE TERM WOULD END JUNE 30, 2023 AND YOU WOULD ACTUALLY SEE THIS SEAT COME BACK ALONG WITH THE OTHERS.

AND AGAIN, THESE TERMS ARE ACTUALLY SAID BY THE DENTON COUNTY LEADERSHIP TEAMS. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE A CONTROL OVER TO TRY TO SYNCHRONIZE THE TERM END DATES.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE THERE.

OKAY. WE'RE IN. FOR THE NEXT ONE.

OH, I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T SEE YOU THERE.

SORRY. MCGEE.

MR. MAYOR. MADAM SECRETARY, IS THIS.

CAN THIS BE AS SIMPLE AS WE CALL OUR FRIENDS AT THE COUNTY AND ASK FOR ANOTHER SEAT ON THE BOARD TO HAVE TO? IS IT THAT SIMPLE? CAN THAT BE DONE? WELL, WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK.

I CAN TALK TO COMMUNITY SERVICES STAFF, AND THEN THEY CAN TAKE THE TAKE THE MATTER BACK TO THE BOARD AND THEN SEE, YOU KNOW, TO THE LEADERSHIP TEAMS OR DENTON COUNTY AS A WHOLE.

I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW THEY WOULD NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE IF CITY COUNCIL DESIRES, WE'RE CERTAINLY MORE THAN WILLING TO TO GO BACK AND SEE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO ALLOW FOR LIKE TWO OFFICIAL SEATS.

I'M ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO THE MAYOR AND I AGREE WITH HIS ASSESSMENT, BUT WE HAVE ANOTHER MEMBER WHO DESIRES TO SERVE.

SERVICE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS ALWAYS DESIRABLE FOR BY ALL OF US OR WE HAVE SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO IT.

I SAID WE MAKE EVERY WE TRY TO MAKE EVERY ASK AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THAT POSSIBLE.

SO IF.

IF MY COLLEAGUES ARE OKAY WITH THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.

LET'S ASK. YOU KNOW, YOU GET A HALF PERCENT OF WHAT YOU DON'T ASK FOR.

OKAY. WELL, LET ME SEE.

IS THERE A SUPPORT FOR THAT? I MEAN, IS THERE SUPPORT FOR THAT? THAT'S THREE. WELL, I MEAN, I GUESS I JUST.

I JUST WANT TO. WHAT ARE WE ASKING? THE QUESTION? THE QUESTION IS.

SO, COUNSELOR MCGEE SUGGESTS WE REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY AND SEE IF WE CAN ADD A THIRD SEAT TO THIS BOARD AND GET THEIR RESPONSE.

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I GUESS MY QUESTION BECOMES, BECAUSE I SERVED ON THIS BOARD, I THINK I WAS THE INAUGURAL CHAIR OF THIS BOARD WHEN IT FIRST STARTED MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.

AND OF COURSE, WE DID HAVE SOME CITY STAFF THERE THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE THERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN SOMEBODY WHO'S OFFICIALLY, QUOTE UNQUOTE, A MEMBER OF THE BOARD.

AND THEN, LIKE, IF WE MADE THAT SEAT, IF COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE WANTED TO OCCUPY THAT SECOND SEAT WHERE IT SAYS, HISTORICALLY, A STAFF MEMBER OR CMO.

DOES THAT MEAN THAT A STAFF MEMBER OR THE CEO OF CMO IS NOT GOING TO BE ATTENDING THE MEETINGS? NO, IT JUST MEANS AND THAT'S WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION IN A LOT TO EVEN GET TO THIS POINT THE LAST TIME.

BUT MY POSITION IS WE COME AND GO.

AND SO AS AS THAT SECOND SEAT FOR THAT HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE AND VOTING RECORD, ETC., AND NO QUESTION THEY CAN SIT IN AND ATTEND.

BUT I THINK IT'S IT'S VERY VALUABLE FOR STAFF TO BE HAVE A VOTING INTEREST, ETC., THAT CARRIES SPANS AS WE COME AND GO. YEAH, BUT I DON'T HAVE A, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY HEARTBURN ABOUT I MEAN, THE COUNTY CAN SAY YES OR NO.

I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S SORT OF THEIR DECISION.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, THERE YOU GO. THAT'S FOR.

AU REVOIR. OH, I WAS JUST GOING TO EXPRESS AGREEMENT WITH YOU, MAYOR HUDSPETH, THAT I THINK IT'S PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A STAFF MEMBER ON THAT BOARD, AND I WOULD PRIORITIZE THAT OVER MYSELF SERVING.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THEN THE NEXT GROUP IS THE NORTH TEXAS COMMISSION AND AGAIN, THE CURRENT MEMBERS ARE MAYOR HUDSPETH.

AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER HAS ALWAYS SERVED AS HAS HISTORICALLY SERVED AS THE PROXY.

AGAIN, KIND OF FOR THE SAME PURPOSE OF THAT HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE.

AND SO THE TERMS ARE COMING UP AND THE MAYOR HUDSPETH WISHES TO CONTINUE IN THAT IN THAT REGARD.

AND THEN ALSO, OF COURSE, FOR COUNCIL DIRECTION IS ARE YOU IS THERE A CONSENSUS TO CONTINUE WITH THE CITY MANAGER SERVING AS THE PROXY, OR DID YOU WANT IT TO BE SOMEBODY ELSE? OKAY. ANY ANY COMMENTS? ANY. SEEING.

COUNCILMAN. MCGEE. CAN WE ASK WHAT THE CITY MANAGER WANTS TO DO? WELL, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I HAVE NOT.

I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. I HAVE NOT HAD TO BE THE PROXY.

THE TIMES THAT I'VE BEEN IN THIS ROLE, I'VE NOT HAD TO DO IT.

CERTAINLY, IF I HAD TO, I WOULD.

BUT I THINK IT'S MOST APPROPRIATE THAT THE MAYOR OR SOMEONE SERVE ON IT.

AND THEN I ONLY AM THERE. AND JUST ABSOLUTELY.

IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU.

SO THEN FOR THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL, AGAIN, THESE THE MEMBERS MUST BE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.

COUNCIL MEMBER MAGUIRE IS THE CURRENT MEMBER WITH MAYOR HUDSPETH SERVING AS THE ALTERNATE.

AND SO THEY HAVE DECIDED BOTH MEMBERS HAVE DESIRED TO CONTINUE IN THAT CAPACITY.

I WILL SAY THAT THIS SEAT IS A SHARED SEAT WITH THREE OTHER CITIES, AND WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THEM BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS ENCOURAGED IS THAT FOR THE MEMBERS OF THESE CITIES, FOR THE CLUSTER, WHAT THEY CALL THE CLUSTER OF THESE CITIES, IS THAT MAYBE POTENTIALLY LOOK AT ALTERNATING THE MEMBERSHIP WITH THOSE OTHER CITIES.

TO DATE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD BACK, ALTHOUGH I'VE REACHED OUT SEVERAL TIMES AND WE'RE GOING TO BE FOLLOWING UP.

BUT IF THERE'S NO DIRECTION FROM THEM THAT THEY WISH TO CONSIDER, MAYBE SOMEBODY FROM FROM THEIR CITY.

OUR PROPOSAL IS TO COME BACK ON JUNE 28TH.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE CONSIDER FOR REAPPOINTMENT THOSE MEMBERS THAT YOU IDENTIFY TODAY, POSSIBLY THOSE TWO THAT INDICATED THE REQUIREMENT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

REAL QUICK QUESTION, MAYOR.

WHAT ARE THE OTHER TWO CITIES? THERE'S SINGER CORINTH.

AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.

AND I APOLOGIZE. I LEFT THAT INFORMATION.

I LEFT THAT. OKAY.

I'M SORRY. SORRY. I THINK THE THIRD IS LAKE DALLAS.

YES, YES. THANK YOU.

ANY ANY OTHER COMMENTS THERE ON THAT ONE? GREAT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY IT.

FANTASTIC. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT. TAKES US TO OUR ITEM D.

[D. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding funding recommendations from the Community Services Advisory Committee (CSAC) for the proposed activities to be included in the 2022 Action Plan. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

HOLD DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR COMMUNITY SERVICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

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TAKE UP OUR LAST WORK SESSION AND CLOSED SESSION.

AFTERNOON COUNSELOR COURTNEY D'ANGORA WITH COMMUNITY SERVICES.

TODAY, I'LL BE PRESENTING TO YOU THE FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE 2020 223 PROGRAM YEAR.

PURPOSE FOR TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS TO PROVIDE NOTIFICATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE USE OF CITY FEDERAL GRANT FUNDS THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT OR CDBG FUNDS AND HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP FUNDS ALSO REFERRED TO AS HOME.

TODAY, I'LL REVIEW RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CDBG AND HOME FUNDED PROGRAMS FOR THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN FOR THE 2020 223 ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, AS WELL AS GENERAL FUND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE.

ALSO PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE ALLOCATION OF HOME ARP GRANT FUNDING AND RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL.

SO AS A RECIPIENT OF CDBG AND HOME FUNDS, THE CITY IS REQUIRED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, ALSO REFERRED TO AS HUD, TO COMPLETE A CONSOLIDATED PLAN EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS.

AS PART OF THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN, THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO DEVELOP AN ANNUAL ACTION PLAN THAT DESCRIBES COMMUNITY NEEDS AVAILABLE RESOURCES AND ESTABLISHES PRIORITIES, STRATEGIES AND GOALS FOR DEPLOYING THESE FUNDS IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE'RE REQUIRED TO CONSULT THE COMMUNITY AND SOLICIT CITIZEN COMMENT WHEN DEVELOPING THESE ANNUAL PLANS.

WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE SECOND YEAR OF OUR ACTION PLAN AND TODAY'S PRESENTATION INCLUDES RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL YEAR OF THE CURRENT PLAN.

THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM, YOUR TIMELINE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PROGRAM YEAR STARTS IN OCTOBER IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CITY'S FISCAL YEAR.

CURRENTLY, WE ARE BRINGING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL.

WE'LL COME BACK IN JULY WITH AN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE THE ACTION PLAN AND THEN SUBMIT IT TO HUD FOR FINAL APPROVAL AND EXECUTE FUNDING AGREEMENTS FOR THIS NEXT PROGRAM YEAR STARTING IN OCTOBER.

ELIGIBLE ACTIVITIES FOR CDBG INCLUDE ACQUISITION, PUBLIC FACILITIES, DEMOLITION AND CLEARANCE SOCIAL SERVICES.

THERE IS A MAXIMUM OF 15% OF CDBG FUNDING THAT CAN BE ALLOCATED FOR SOCIAL SERVICES, PROGRAMING, HOUSING PROGRAMS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND REMOVAL OF ARCHITECTURAL BARRIERS AND ELIGIBLE ACTIVITIES UNDER HOME FUNDING CAN INCLUDE AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING, HOME OWNERSHIP ASSISTANCE, TENANT BASED RENTAL ASSISTANCE, LAND ACQUISITION, AND NEW HOUSING CONSTRUCTION.

THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE GOALS ORIGINALLY SET IN OUR CONSOLIDATED PLAN, AND THE ANNUAL GOALS ARE DRIVEN BY PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED WITH FEDERAL FUNDING.

SO FOR THE UPCOMING PROGRAM YEAR, WE PROJECT TO SERVE 78 HOUSEHOLDS THROUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS, 208 PEOPLE THROUGH HOMELESS PROGRAMS, 147 PEOPLE THROUGH PUBLIC OR SOCIAL SERVICES.

AND JUST UNDER 47,000 PEOPLE THROUGH PUBLIC FACILITIES PROJECTS.

THIS IS THE LIST OF OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

AS A REMINDER, THE COMMUNITY SERVICES FUNDING WAS PREVIOUSLY UNDER THE OVERSIGHT OF TWO COMMITTEES, WHICH WERE DISSOLVED LAST YEAR, AND A SINGLE COMMITTEE WAS ESTABLISHED TO PERFORM COMPREHENSIVE ADVISORY COMPREHENSIVE ADVISORY FUNCTION FOR ALL OF COMMUNITY SERVICES, NEEDS AND FUNDING SOURCES.

THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF AVAILABLE FUNDING FOR THE 2020 223 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT GRANT PROGRAM YEAR.

HIGHLIGHTING FUNDING SOURCE AMOUNT ANY SET ASIDES FOR THINGS LIKE ADMINISTRATION OR OTHER GRANTS SUCH AS CITY COUNCIL HOMELESSNESS INITIATIVES AND FINAL FUNDING FINAL FUNDING ALLOCATIONS FOR THE GRANT PROGRAM.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN IS INCLUDED IN THIS RECOMMENDATION, AND I'LL EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

BUT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF FUNDING RECOMMENDED FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT GRANT PROGRAM FOR THE 2020 223 PROGRAM YEAR IS $1,917,499. WHILE THE COMMITTEE RECEIVED 29 FUNDING REQUESTS TOTALING JUST OVER $2.7 MILLION, AND REQUEST DETAILS ARE INCLUDED IN EXHIBIT TWO OF THE BACKUP FOR THIS ITEM.

THE COMMITTEE DID CONSIDER COUNCIL PRIORITIES AND COMMUNITY NEEDS AS THEY REVIEWED APPLICATIONS.

THEY ALSO RECEIVED THE COMMITTEE RECEIVED PRESENTATIONS DURING THEIR MAY MEETING REGARDING HOMELESSNESS INITIATIVES, FUNDING AND OUTCOMES, AND MAY MAKE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE TO ENHANCE HOMELESSNESS INITIATIVES WITHIN THE CITY AT A LATER DATE.

THE COMMITTEE MADE THEIR INITIAL RECOMMENDATION BASED ON ESTIMATED FUNDING DURING THE APRIL MEETING.

THIS WAS BASED ON ESTIMATED FUNDING BECAUSE AT THE TIME WE HAD NOT YET RECEIVED OUR FINAL ALLOCATION AMOUNT FROM HUD.

THIS INITIAL RECOMMENDATION DID INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL $216,500 OF GENERAL FUNDS TO SUPPORT HUMAN SERVICES REQUESTS.

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DURING THIS CURRENT PROGRAM YEAR, SO AFTER SOME INTERNAL CONSULTATION WITH OUR FINANCE TEAM, WE INVITED THE COMMITTEE TO RECONSIDER THEIR GENERAL FUND RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE A PORTION OF THE CITY'S SECOND ROUND OF ARP FUNDING.

SO DURING THEIR MAIN MEETING, THE COMMITTEE VOTED TO AMEND THEIR INITIAL RECOMMENDATION, ELIMINATING THE NEED TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL GENERAL FUND DOLLARS.

AFTER THE SECONDARY RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MADE.

WE DID RECEIVE OUR FINAL ALLOCATION NUMBERS FROM HUD, AND SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS PRESENTED TODAY HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED SLIGHTLY BY STAFF TO ACCOUNT FOR ANY DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE ESTIMATED AND THE FINAL ALLOCATION AMOUNTS.

SO FOR HOME FUNDING, WE DID RECEIVE AN ADDITIONAL 15,000 MORE DOLLARS AND EXPECTED FOR THIS NEXT PROGRAM YEAR FOR CDBG FUNDING.

OUR FINAL ALLOCATION WAS ABOUT $105,000 LESS THAN ANTICIPATED FOR THE NEXT PROGRAM YEAR.

SO STAFF DID MAKE SOME FINAL ADJUSTMENTS TO ACCOUNT FOR THE FINAL ALLOCATIONS FROM HUD.

AND THE COMMITTEE IS MEETING THIS FRIDAY AND WE'LL RATIFY THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION TODAY IS FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE USE OF CDBG HOME GENERAL FUND AND ARP DOLLARS IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,917,499. I TRY TO MAKE THAT AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE.

IT WAS KIND OF A COMPLICATED PROCESS, BUT THE NEXT THREE SLIDES JUST INCLUDE DETAILS OF FUNDING REQUEST, SOME FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMITTEE.

AND THIS IS ALSO IN THE EXHIBIT TWO OF YOUR BACK UP.

THE TABLE INCLUDES PROJECTS LISTED BY TYPE AND INCLUDES THE AMOUNT REQUESTED RECOMMENDED BY THE COMMITTEE AND A BREAKDOWN OF FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS BY TYPE.

BY WAY OF REMINDER, THE CITY RECEIVED NOTICE IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR OF AN ALLOCATION OF JUST OVER $1.7 MILLION OF HOME ARP FUNDING AS PART OF THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN. HOME ARP FUNDING HAS SOME DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS THAN THE THE TRADITIONAL HOME FUNDING THAT THE CITY RECEIVES ANNUALLY AND AS PART OF AS A PARTICIPATING JURISDICTION OR RECIPIENT OF THESE FUNDS, THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO DEVELOP AN ACTION PLAN SPECIFIC TO THIS HOME ARP FUNDING THAT REQUIRES CONSULTING WITH SPECIFIC ORGANIZATIONS, GETTING PARTICIPATION FROM THE PUBLIC, CONDUCTING A NEEDS AND GAPS ANALYSIS, AND THE OPTION TO ESTABLISH PREFERENCES AS NEEDED.

THESE FUNDS WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ANNUAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT GRANT PROGRAM COMPETITION BECAUSE HUD CONTINUES TO RELEASE GUIDANCE AND POLICY BRIEFS ON HOW TO BEST APPROACH AN ALLOCATION PLAN.

AND SO STAFF IS IN THE PROCESS OF COMPLETING THOSE REQUIRED STEPS AND AIMS TO COMPLETE THE ALLOCATION PLAN IN THE FALL OF THIS YEAR.

SO JUST A QUICK TIMELINE OVERVIEW.

WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF OUR 38, 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD FOR THIS ACTION PLAN.

THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING AT COUNCIL SPECIFIC TO THE ACTION PLAN AND THE FEDERAL FUNDING.

WE'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL IN JULY WITH AN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE OUR ACTION PLAN, AND THEN WE'LL SUBMIT IT TO HUD WITH A 45 DAY ISH TURNAROUND TO BE ABLE TO EXECUTE AGREEMENTS WITH OUR RECIPIENTS FOR THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR.

SO TODAY, THE OPTIONS FOR COUNCIL ARE TO DIRECT US TO PROCEED WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS OR TO PROVIDE OTHER DIRECTION AS YOU SEE FIT.

GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GREAT PRESENTATION.

SO JUST TO GET TO THE DIRECTION SIDE OF THINGS, ANYONE THAT WOULD ADVISE AGAINST DIRECTION TO PROCEED.

THE ONE AGAINST PROCEEDING.

GREAT. THEN COMMENTS.

JUST GENERAL COMMENTS FOR STAFF MAYOR PRO TEM.

I'LL PULL MY MICROPHONE AND CLOSE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO I SAID THIS IN THE IN THE EMAIL THAT I SENT TO STAFF.

I THINK IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EXPANDED SERVICE GAP ANALYSIS THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE PROPOSAL.

SO I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE DOING A REALLY GREAT JOB OF INITIALLY FINDING GAPS IN SERVICE AND COVERAGE BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE VARIOUS NONPROFITS. BUT I REALLY, REALLY STRONGLY ENCOURAGE US AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO TO TAKE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO FIND THOSE HOLES AND DO WHAT WE CAN TO INCREASE THAT.

THAT'S ALL MY COMMENT IS.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? SEE.

THEN I'LL CLOSE OUT WITH THIS.

I MEAN, FIRST I WANT TO IF AND I GUESS THIS WOULD BE THE CITY MANAGER IF YOU COULD HELP US COME BACK AND GIVE US SOME GUARDRAILS.

FIRST, LET ME TELL YOU FIRSTHAND, I HAVE A REVERENCE FOR THE PROCESS.

I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE BEST THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY AS FAR AS EVALUATING WHAT TO DO WITH THE MONEY FOR THOSE THAT DON'T OR HAVE NOT HAD THE PLEASURE TO SERVE ON THE CDBG BOARD. YOU YOU NOT ONLY RECEIVE APPLICATIONS, THOSE APPLICANTS COME IN AND PRESENT TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY AT ADVOCATING FOR THEIR PROJECTS.

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AND IT'S IT'S VERY INTERACTIVE, VERY EXHAUSTIVE AND I THINK THE WORLD OF IT AND IT GUIDES A LOT OF DECISIONS WHEN WHEN THESE COME BEFORE US.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO.

SO FOR THE CITY MANAGER, I THINK FOR ME IT'S LOOKING AT DANA SPECIFICALLY.

I, I WANT TO KNOW THE TIMELINE.

AND THAT'S THAT'S ALSO LET ME LET ME PAUSE JUST TO SAY DENNIS PARK STAFF IS AMAZING.

I MEAN, JUST GENERALLY CITY PARK STAFF, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO DANA, HERE'S THEY'RE SO FAR AHEAD AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED FROM LEADERSHIP AND FROM STAFF.

THEIR THINKING, IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE, IF YOU'VE NOT DRIVEN THAT AREA, IF YOU GREW UP LIKE ME, THERE'S BAUGHMAN, SHOUT OUT TO BAUGHMAN, AND THEN THERE'S THE PRINCIPALS. HEY, SEUSS, BY THE WAY.

GREAT GUY. SO THAT BEING SAID, THERE IS THAT DEAD END ROAD RIGHT BY BAUGHMAN.

WELL, THAT'S OPENED UP AND THERE'S A BRAND NEW NEIGHBORHOOD THERE.

AND WHY THAT MATTERS IS BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THEIR ABILITY TO RECEIVE THESE FUNDS.

AND SO PARKS DEPARTMENT IS WISE TO SAY, HEY, WE CAN APPLY THESE DOLLARS IN THIS AREA FOR A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME.

AND SO THAT'S MY QUESTION FOR STAFF IS WHAT IS THE FEEL FOR WHEN THAT IS GOING TO PIVOT? BECAUSE I WANT TO ENCOURAGE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND THAT DANIA PROJECT TO COME BACK AND I WANT THIS BODY TO UNDERSTAND AND THAT THE BOARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE SENSITIVITY OF THAT TIMING, BECAUSE IT WILL BE THE INCOME, WILL NO LONGER AT SOME POINT ALLOW IT TO BE CONSIDERED WITH THESE DOLLARS. AND SO I WANT TO LEVERAGE THOSE WHILE WE CAN BUT UNDERSTANDING I TRUST THE THE ANALYSIS THIS YEAR AND.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING, IF I'M MISSING SOMETHING OR IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

DANNY SHORE, COMMUNITY SERVICES.

YOU'RE NOT. WHAT WE LOOK AT IS THE ANNUAL VIEW OF THE CENSUS DATA, AND SO IT CAN UPDATE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON SLIGHT VARIATIONS.

SO ANY NEIGHBORHOOD COULD BE ELIGIBLE ONE YEAR AND NOT ELIGIBLE THE NEXT.

SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT THAT.

AND THEN STAFF DOES AN EVALUATION ON EVERY PROJECT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES BASED ON THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

RIGHT. BUT WHEN THOSE NEW HOUSES COME IN ON THAT, IS IT INCOME? IS IT WHAT IS THE BASIS FOR? IT'S LOW MODERATE. RIGHT, RIGHT.

IT'S LOW MOD. IT WOULD HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BE 50% OR MORE OF LOW MOD.

GOT IT. SO IF THE INCOMES RISE IN THAT AREA AND THEN THE CENSUS DATA PICKS THAT RISE UP OVER TIME, THEN IT COULD BECOME INELIGIBLE.

BUT AGAIN, WE EVALUATE THAT ANNUALLY BASED ON THE CENSUS DATA WE HAVE ACCESS TO EACH YEAR.

BUT WE HAVE SOME. YOU FEEL LIKE WE HAVE SOME TIME? YES. OKAY, PERFECT.

I THINK SO, YEAH.

PERFECT. GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT'S HELPFUL.

AND AGAIN, SO YEAH, I WANTED TO SAY THAT.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S A JUST IF I HAD ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYONE SEE.

NONE. OH, CATHERINE MAGUIRE.

JUST YEAH. JUST TO SPEAK TO THE, THE DDA TRAIL PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD THAT IT WAS GIVEN CONSIDERATION GIVEN THAT IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR FEDERAL FUNDING.

BUT I'M COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH THE COMMITTEE CHOOSING NOT TO FUND THAT THROUGH THROUGH FEDERAL FUNDS, BECAUSE THAT IS A LOCAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY PROJECT THAT WE WE I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING TO FUND THROUGH PARKS AND REC CAPITAL PROJECTS AND OTHER OTHER MEANS IN MY OPINION.

SO I THINK THAT SHOWS EXCELLENT JUDGMENT.

WELL, I DIDN'T BRING IT UP TO MAKE IT CONTENTIOUS.

I JUST BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS A.

A GOOD THING. OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S TAKE A YES.

OH, GREAT JOB. THANK YOU.

SO IT IS 330.

LET'S COME BACK AT 340 AND FINISH OUR WORK SESSION.

I'M GOING TO CLOSE. THANKS.

IN WELCOME BACK TO THIS MEETING THAT DIDN'T CITY COUNCIL.

IT IS 345 AND WE ARE TOWARDS OUR LAST WORK SESSION ITEM.

THEN I'LL TAKE US IN THE CLOSED SESSION FOR ONE ITEM AND AFTER THAT OUR SCHEDULE RECONVENE AT 630 JUST FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG. SO FIRST ITEM THAT WE'LL TAKE UP IN THIS WORK SESSION, OUR LAST ITEM IS ID 22419 RECEIVE REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON

[E. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on pending City Council requests for: (1) A Council vote to increase the allotted time for public comment from four to five minutes. (2) A work session to discuss incentives and or requirements for EV charging electrical circuitry and infrastructure for single-family homes with garages and multifamily developments of certain sizes. (3) A Council vote on a resolution that directs the Denton Police Department to make investigations and criminal enforcement related to reproductive healthcare its lowest priority, and recommends against using City funds for such purposes. (4) Authorizing staff resources to be spent in developing a policy related to panhandling and public health policy. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

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IN SOME AREAS OF THE COUNTRY.

TONIGHT I WILL BE PRESENTING THOSE CITY COUNCIL PENDING REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION OF WHICH WE HAVE FOUR THIS EVENING.

AS A REMINDER, UP TO SEVEN REQUESTS WILL BE REVIEWED PER MEETING.

ONE PER COUNCIL MEMBER STAFF WILL INTRODUCE THEIR REQUEST.

THE ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT MADE THE REQUEST WILL HAVE UP TO 2 MINUTES TO DESCRIBE AND JUSTIFY THEIR REQUEST.

AND THE REMAINING ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL THEN HAVE UP TO ONE MINUTE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND INDICATE THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE USE OF STAFF TIME.

STAFF WILL RESPOND TO ALL REQUESTS WHERE A CONSENSUS CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL IS ESTABLISHED.

AS A REMINDER, YOU ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PRIORITIZE YOUR COUNCIL REQUEST HIGH, MODERATE AND LOW.

THE FIRST ITEM TONIGHT IS BY COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD.

IT IS A COUNCIL VOTE TO INCREASE THE ALLOTTED TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FROM 4 TO 5 MINUTES.

THANK YOU.

I WILL JUST READ FROM HERE.

IT SAYS, I HAVE BEGUN TO OBSERVE AND RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT SPEAK BEFORE US THAT SEEM TO NEED MORE TIME TO COMPLETE THEIR STATEMENTS AND OUR THOUGHTS.

I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE PRESIDING OFFICER, THE MAYOR, USES HIS DISCRETION TO CONCLUDE THEIR TIME DEPENDING ON WHO IS SPEAKING AND WHAT THEY'RE SPEAKING ABOUT.

AS HE MAY ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE SPEAKER NEEDS A BIT MORE TIME FOR COMPLETION OF A THOUGHT TO ASSIST WITH THIS FACT, I'M REQUESTING THAT THE BODY REVISITS THE TIME ALLOTTED FOR PUBLIC SPEAKING TO A SOLID 5 MINUTES.

I THINK THIS IS GOING TO HELP WITH THE CONSISTENCY AND APPEAL TO THE PUBLIC.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN DAVIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I RECOGNIZE THE PURPOSE BEHIND THE REQUEST, AND I THINK THAT I THINK THAT'S OFFERED IN A GOOD SPIRIT OF LETTING THE PUBLIC SPEAK, GIVING THEM THEIR VOICE, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE HEARD. BUT AS SOMEBODY WHO WORKS WITH SPEAKING TIME LIMITS A LOT ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS, THERE'S EITHER NEITHER NEVER ENOUGH TIME THAT EVEN THAT LAST MINUTE WILL NOT BE ENOUGH FOR SOMEONE TO TO COMPLETE THEIR THOUGHT.

OR THERE'S VERY OFTEN A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH TIME WHERE SOMEONE HAS TAKEN THE TIME TO SIT DOWN AND WRITE OUT THEIR THEIR THOUGHTS.

THEY CAN DO IT IN A VERY CONCISE WAY.

THEY CAN FIT IT IN THE TIME IF THEY'VE NOT DONE THAT.

WHAT WE SEE, I THINK EVEN MORE OFTEN THAN SOMEONE RUNNING OUT OF TIME JUST TO COMPLETE THE LAST PART OF A SENTENCE WHICH THE MAYOR ALLOWS THEM TO DO, IS SOMEONE WHO THEY KIND OF START SPINNING OUT IN THAT LAST 30 SECONDS OR SO.

I SEE MY TIME IS ALMOST UP.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE TO GO FROM HERE AND THEY KIND OF JUST START RIFFING.

I DON'T KNOW THAT ADDING A MINUTE HELPS.

I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHER WAYS TO MAYBE EVEN BETTER WAYS.

AM I OUT OF TIME? YES.

CASE IN POINT. ANYONE ELSE FROM MAGUIRE? I HEAR COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS'S CONCERNS.

I THINK THAT THOSE ARE LEGITIMATE.

BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE EXTRA MINUTE HERE.

I THINK I THINK IT'S REASONABLE.

I THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS JUST COME BEFORE US ON A CONSENT AGENDA.

ANYONE ELSE. CNN.

OKAY. NEXT ONE.

THE NEXT ONE IS BY COUNCIL MEMBER.

WHAT'S A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS INCENTIVES AND OR REQUIREMENTS FOR EV CHARGING ELECTRICAL CIRCUITRY AND INFRASTRUCTURE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH GARAGES AND MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS OF CERTAIN SIZES? OK YEAH, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE MOMENT THAT WE'RE IN, IN OUR NATION, IN OUR WORLD WITH GAS PRICES, I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE. YOU CAN SEE IT, YOU CAN SEE MORE OF THEM ON THE ROAD.

AND I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT I JUST WANT TO HAVE A WORK SESSION TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE SOME POSSIBLE INCENTIVES FOR PRE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO GET INCENTIVES FOR ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS IN THEIR GARAGES? AND THEN I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT DO WE WANT TO BEGIN TO REQUIRE FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WHO HAVE GARAGES TO REQUIRE THE ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE CIRCUITRY PUT IN AT NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS VERY, VERY LOW COST AT THAT STAGE OF THE GAME.

AND ALSO FOR MULTIFAMILY BECAUSE MULTIFAMILY DWELLERS, APARTMENT DWELLERS, THERE'S NO ELECTRICAL CHARGING STATIONS UNLESS THE COMMUNITY ITSELF DECIDES TO PUT THEM IN.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON.

OKAY, WELL, LET'S SEE, IS IT A CERTAIN SIZE? I MEAN, IT'S REALLY OPEN AND BROAD.

I JUST THINK WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE A SERIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS IN SOME WAY THAT THE COUNCIL CAN COME TO A CONSENSUS ON.

BECAUSE WE CAN SEE RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY WITH DENTON BEING AS SUSTAINABLE AS WE ARE, WE LEAD THE NATION WITH 100% RENEWABLE ENERGY.

I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE LOOK AT OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND OUR CODES FOR SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY.

HOW CAN WE HELP PEOPLE INCENTIVIZE THEM TO INVEST IN ELECTRIC VEHICLES? AND THAT MIGHT HELP US ALSO BEGIN TO INVEST IN MORE CHARGING STATIONS AROUND THE CITY TO HELP WITH THAT AS WELL.

SO JUST WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, TO TALK ABOUT IT AND SEE WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE AND SEE WHERE WE GO FROM THERE.

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THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I VERY MUCH SUPPORT THIS.

I LOVE THIS IN GENERAL.

THE TIME THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE IS BEFORE YOU BUILT IT.

I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THIS.

I WONDER IF IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.

JUST AS COUNCILOR, WHAT'S MENTIONED TO WE HAVE WE'RE ACTUALLY LEADERS ON SUSTAINABILITY.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN INVOLVE THE SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY SETTING UP CONCEPTS FOR THIS.

SO I'D LOVE TO ROLL THEM IN WITH THIS AS WELL AS PART OF THE WORK SESSION OR IN ADVANCE BEHIND WHATEVER, BUT AS PART OF IT.

BUT I SUPPORT THIS AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE CONCEPTS.

THANK YOU. COUNCILOR MAGUIRE YEAH, I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THIS.

WHILE IT'S IT'S UP FOR DEBATE WHETHER IT'S FAIR TO CALL US 100% RENEWABLE, I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY FAIR TO SAY THAT WE ARE WE ARE DOING OUR PART WHEN IT COMES TO USING RENEWABLE ENERGY.

AND THE NEXT STEP FOR US IS ADDRESSING VEHICLE EMISSIONS.

THAT'S THAT IS NOW THE BIGGEST SOURCE OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS IN THE CITY.

I'D LOVE TO HAVE A WORK SESSION ABOUT IT.

I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT BE PART OF A LARGER CONVERSATION ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVES AND OUR SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK.

I'D ALSO LOVE FOR US TO INCLUDE IN THIS CONVERSATION AS FAR AS INCENTIVES MAKING IT MORE OF A GRANT RATHER THAN A REIMBURSEMENT, JUST TO TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS FROM ACROSS THE ECONOMIC SPECTRUM CAN PARTICIPATE.

ANYONE ELSE? CATHERINE MCGEE.

EXCUSE ME JUST A QUESTION. ARE WE GOING TO VOTE AND GIVE PRIORITY DIRECTION AFTER EVERYBODY'S GONE? NO, THEY THEY WOULD HAVE WORKED THAT IN.

JUST DOESN'T ALWAYS GET WORKED IN.

SO DURING THAT ONE MINUTE YOU WORK THAT IN.

OKAY. I'M GONNA WORK THIS IN THEN.

YES, SIR, I AGREE.

WELL DONE TO MY COLLEAGUE, MR. WATTS. MEDIUM PRIORITY.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN DAVIS. THANK YOU.

I GIVE IT ABOUT A MEDIUM PRIORITY.

ALSO TO THE NEGATIVE AND AFFIRMATIVE.

AFFIRMATIVE. MEDIUM BAD.

OKAY. GOT IT.

OKAY. THAT'S FOR WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

THE NEXT ONE. ITEM NUMBER THREE COMES TO US FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MAGUIRE.

A COUNCIL VOTE ON A RESOLUTION THAT DIRECTS THE DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE INVESTIGATIONS AND CRIMINAL ENFORCEMENT RELATED TO REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE AS LOW AS PRIORITY AND RECOMMENDS AGAINST USING CITY FUNDS FOR SUCH PURPOSES.

THANK YOU. SO IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR, GOVERNOR ABBOTT SIGNED INTO LAW HB 1280, THE SO CALLED TRIGGER LAW, WHICH WILL MAKE ABORTION CARE A FELONY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS STARTING 30 DAYS AFTER ROE V WADE IS OVERTURNED.

U.S. SUPREME COURT ANALYSTS AGREE THAT ROE WILL LIKELY BE OVERTURNED IN THE COMING MONTHS.

WHEN THAT HAPPENS, DECISIONS REGARDING IF, WHEN AND HOW TO CARRY A PREGNANCY TO TERM WILL BECOME SUBJECT TO SCRUTINY BY LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

OUR RESIDENTS DO NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT INTERFERING IN THEIR PRIVATE MEDICAL DECISIONS, AND THEY DON'T WANT THEIR TAX DOLLARS BEING SPENT TO INVESTIGATE THEIR OR THEIR NEIGHBORS PRIVATE MEDICAL DECISIONS.

MY INITIAL PROPOSAL WAS THAT THE RESOLUTION DRAFTED BY LOCAL REPRODUCTIVE JUSTICE ADVOCATES COME BEFORE COUNCIL FOR A VOTE AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AFTER ROE V WADE IS OVERTURNED, WHENEVER THAT MAY OCCUR.

HOWEVER, GIVEN THE SPEED WITH WHICH THIS SITUATION IS CHANGING, I AM NOW REQUESTING THAT THE RESOLUTION BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA FOR THE JUNE 28TH COUNCIL MEETING.

THIS RESOLUTION DIRECTS DENTON PD TO MAKE INVESTIGATION AND CRIMINAL ENFORCEMENT RELATED TO REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE ITS LOWEST PRIORITY, AND IT RECOMMENDS AGAINST THE USE OF CITY FUNDS AND OTHER RESOURCES TO INVESTIGATE, CATALOG OR REPORT SUSPECTED ABORTIONS.

IT'S NOT WITHIN THE AUTHORITY OF THIS COUNCIL TO ALLOW OR DISALLOW OUR RESIDENTS FROM SEEKING OR ASSISTING OTHERS IN SEEKING REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE.

IN THE EVENT THAT THE US SUPREME COURT OVERTURNS ROE V WADE, ABORTION CARE WILL BECOME ILLEGAL FOR DENTON RESIDENTS, AND WE CAN'T DIRECT OUR LEOS NOT TO ENFORCE THE LAW.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE DISCRETION AND HOW WE PRIORITIZE THE USE OF LOCAL FUNDS AND LOCAL STAFF TIME AND INVESTIGATING HOW OUR RESIDENTS CHOOSE TO PLAN THEIR FAMILIES IS NOT A RESPONSIBLE USE OF THOSE LIMITED RESOURCES.

OKAY. MR. CITY ATTORNEY, I'M GONNA HAVE TO ASK YOU TO BE HEARD ON THE CHANGE.

AND IT WASN'T POSTED AS PRESENTED.

WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE POSTING WHERE THE POSTING IS, WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING HERE THAT LIMITS THAT CHANGE.

THAT'S REALLY JUST A MATTER OF WHAT WAS IN THE BACKUP MATERIALS IS WHAT'S CHANGED.

SO I THINK WE'RE STILL WITHIN THE AGENDA.

PERFECT. THANK YOU.

OK COMMENT.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I THINK THE SALIENT POINT THERE IS, IS THE NOT FORCING OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO TAKE TIME OFF OF REALLY CRITICAL ITEMS TO

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SO I SUPPORT THIS.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN BURT.

I SUPPORT IT. OK.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MCGEE.

FAMOUS AMERICA. I FULLY SUPPORT THIS HIGH PRIORITY.

I AGREE. I DON'T WANT TO WORK SESSION.

I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

LET'S PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

LET'S VOTE ON LET'S PASS IT.

WE HAVE PEOPLE, VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO NEED SOME PROTECTION, AND THAT IS OUR JOB AS ELECTED OFFICIALS.

FURTHERMORE, I'M A WORKING MAN.

I'M A WORKING PERSON, AND WORKING PEOPLE WANT TO FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THE CITY.

THEY CAN GO TO WORK WHERE THEY CAN LIVE IN AND THEY CAN PLAY AND THEY CAN SPEND THEIR MONEY HERE.

THAT IS THAT IS OUR JOB.

I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THIS.

I APPLAUD MY COLLEAGUE FOR PITCH.

SO, COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

THANK YOU. I DON'T SUPPORT THIS.

AND THAT'S FOR TWO REASONS.

THE FIRST IS YOU'RE ALMOST NEVER GOING TO SEE ME SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT TELLS THE CHIEF OF POLICE OR HIS OFFICERS HOW TO DO THEIR JOBS, WHETHER IT'S ON THIS OR MARIJUANA OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE PERSONAL AND POLITICAL FEELINGS ABOUT.

I'M NOT GOING TO PUT US AS THE POLICY MAKERS IN THE POSITION OF OTHER THAN THE BUDGET AND NOT THE INDIVIDUAL WAYS THE BUDGET IS SPENT, BUT THE BUDGET ITSELF TELLING OFFICERS HOW TO DO THEIR JOBS AND WHAT'S A PRIORITY AND WHAT'S NOT A PRIORITY.

THE OTHER THING IS THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT WHAT IT PURPORTS TO BE.

THIS IS NOT A POLICY DOCUMENT.

THIS IS A POLITICAL DOCUMENT.

IT'S A SCREED.

IT IS NOT A IT HAS VERY SPECIFIC DIRECTIVES TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND THE CITY MANAGER BEYOND JUST BUDGET.

IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT, IT TALKS ABOUT IF THEY ARE FORCED TO PROSECUTE ONE OF THESE CRIMES, IF THAT IF THEY'RE FORCED TO BRING ONE OF THESE THESE CASES SPECIFICALLY LIMITS THEM IN ILLEGAL WAYS FROM COLLECTING COLLECTING INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY UNDER THE LAW TO DO THAT.

IT'S DRAFTED KNOWING THAT IT CANNOT FORCE THE CHIEF OF POLICE TO DO THAT, THAT IT CAN'T UNDER THE CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE, DO WHAT IT PURPORTS TO DO BECAUSE IT IS NOT A POLICY DOCUMENT, IT IS A POLITICAL DOCUMENT.

IT SERVES TODAY A POLITICAL PURPOSE AND NOT A POLICY PURPOSE.

I CANNOT SUPPORT IT.

ANYONE ELSE. KATHRYN WATTS YEAH.

THE GOSH, IT'S I MEAN, I WAS, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE CHANGE BRINGING IT FORWARD AT THE NEXT MEETING.

SO WITH IT, THE ORIGINAL POSTING, I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE, WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE DONE, BUT TO SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NO INFORMATION ON.

IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO DO THAT.

ALSO, WE'RE WE'RE PASSING SOMETHING.

TO ADDRESS A LAW THAT HASN'T EVEN COME INTO EFFECT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.

BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE RESOLUTION HAS CHANGED, SORT OF PRECLUDES THAT.

SO BECAUSE OF THAT, I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT BASED UPON THAT FACT.

I'M OKAY WITH THE CONVERSATION HAVING.

I THINK WE COULD HAVE IT PRETTY EXPEDIENTLY BEFORE ANYTHING CHANGED AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.

BUT I STILL NEED TO HEAR FROM OUR CHIEF OF POLICE, FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER ON WHAT ARE THEIR THOUGHTS AS FAR AS THE ENFORCEMENT, AS FAR AS WHAT THE RESOLUTION SAYS TO DO OR NOT TO DO.

AND PLUS, IT'S A RESOLUTION THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS NOT CRAFTED.

IT'S A RESOLUTION THAT SOMEONE HAS GIVEN TO US.

SO UNFORTUNATELY, I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT ON THOSE REASONS.

OKAY. AND AND I WILL SAY, JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THE RECORD, THAT I DO NOT SUPPORT IT.

I DO THINK WE NEED TO, AGAIN, FOCUS ON LOCAL ISSUES, UNDERSTANDING LOCAL PEOPLE HERE ARE AFFECTED BY FEDERAL LAWS.

NOTED. BUT THIS THIS GOES BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT COUNCIL CAN DO FOR THOSE THAT DO NOT KNOW THE COUNCIL IS NOT.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS NOT A DIRECT REPORT TO THIS COUNCIL.

IF THIS DOCUMENT WOULD THEN PRESCRIBE WHAT THIS COUNCIL WAS TO DO, THEN, THEN I COULD SEE THAT THE LAST MINUTE CHANGE GIVING, BEEN GIVING BASICALLY 8 MINUTES NOTICE THAT IT'S GOING TO COME BACK BEFORE US IS PROBLEMATIC FOR ME.

THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A WORK SESSION IS PROBLEMATIC FOR ME.

THE FACT THAT WE'VE NOT HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC OR NO DOCUMENTATION OF ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS OR MEETINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS PROBLEMATIC FOR ME.

SO IT JUST IT'S INCONCLUSIVE FOR ME TO SUPPORT IT.

QUESTION THERE. THE LAST ONE COMES FROM AIR HUDSPETH AUTHORIZING STAFF RESOURCES TO BE SPENT IN DEVELOPING A POLICY RELATED TO PAIN HANDLING AND PUBLIC HEALTH POLICY. OKAY.

SO SIMPLY PUT, I JUST WANT TO GIVE AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF AND ALSO OUR KIND OF LOCAL SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESEARCH

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AND OUR POLICIES AS A MUNICIPALITY NEED TO ALIGN THEMSELVES WITH SUPPORTING THOSE THAT NEED HELP, GETTING THEM THE LONG TERM HELP THEY NEED.

IT'S IT'S UN SHOULD BE UNDISPUTED THAT WE, WE NEED MENTAL HEALTH ASSESSMENT.

WE NEED KIND OF THESE WRAPAROUND SERVICES TO BE ROBUST.

WE NEED TO THEN HAVE POLICIES THAT ADVOCATE TO PEOPLE PLUG INTO THESE SERVICES SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THEM HEALTHY.

AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

IT'S NOT I DON'T WANT TO SEGREGATE IT INTO MENTAL HEALTH, PHYSICAL HEALTH, IT'S JUST HEALTH.

AND THEN ALSO FOR KIDS, I WANT TO PROTECT KIDS THAT ARE STANDING IN THE MEDIANS, POTENTIALLY INHALING GAS FUMES OR IN A PARKING LOT IN THE HEAT. IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO PROTECT OUR DENTON RESIDENTS AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMFORTABLE.

OH, I HAVE 2 MINUTES.

I FORGOT WE CHANGED IT SO AND SO TO THAT END.

AND THAT'S THE OTHER PART. I WANT TO I WANT A LOT OF THIS TO BE TRIGGERED BY SALES TAX BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL ALLOW FOR TO TAKE ONE NOT PUT ALL THE BURDEN ON THE ON THE BUDGET. AND THEN ALSO, IF I UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT IN THE CONVERSATIONS I HAVE WITH RETAILERS AND PEOPLE THAT WON'T SHOP HERE AND WON'T COME HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE, I THINK THAT WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE.

SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE FEELS COMFORTABLE, EVERYONE FEELS SAFE.

AND I PUT THIS IN THERE AND THE CITY MANAGER IS CORRECTING ME AT EVERY TURN.

SO SHE'S SHE'S FANTASTIC THAT WAY.

BUT I'LL TELL YOU, FOR ME, IT'S A PROBLEM THAT WE TAKE TAXPAYER MONEY OR THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH SHOPPING CARTS GOING MISSING.

THAT JUST IS A PAIN POINT FOR ME BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO PAY TO RETRIEVE THEM AND IT'S STILL STOLEN PROPERTY.

I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES ON WHY YOU HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE AROUND THAT AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T WANT TO BE I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO STAFF TO DRAFT THE POLICY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I MEAN, ONE THING THAT I'M I'M KEYED INTO IN THIS REQUEST IS GETTING DIRECT FEEDBACK FROM SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WORK WITH THESE FOLKS WHO UNDERSTAND THE COMPASSIONATE SIDE OF THE ISSUE.

BECAUSE WE'VE ALL HAD EXPERIENCES BOTH WAYS WHERE SOMEONE WAS REALLY IN NEED AND THEY'RE OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN NEED AND THEY AND THEY ARE ASKING FOR HELP.

AND WE'VE HAD FOLKS WHO ARE NOT AND AND WE CAN'T JUST PUT THEM ALL INTO ONE.

THERE'S NO BROAD BRUSH.

YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THE THE HOT TEAM IS GOING OUT AND TALKING TO FOLKS WHO ARE PANHANDLING, IF THERE'S A PROCESS TO DEAL WITH FOLKS, THAT'S NOT JUST NOT JUST A BUNCH OF CITIZEN COMPLAINTS OR A BUNCH OF COMPASSIONATE PEOPLE WONDERING WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.

A PROCESS OF SOME KIND, I THINK, WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT OUR CONSTITUENCY WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

AND AND HAVING THAT PROCESS INFORMED BY THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND NOT JUST KIND OF WHAT WE ALL ASSUMPTIONS WE ALL MAKE OR THINGS WE PRESUME THAT WE KNOW ABOUT A DIVERSE COMMUNITY BASED ON THE FEW PEOPLE WE RUN INTO.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN BURT. I APPRECIATE THIS.

THIS REQUEST HERE FOR US TO REALLY, REALLY BUCKLE DOWN AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CAN DEFINITELY BE IMPROVED.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS THAT WHEN THOSE FOLKS COME INTO TOWN, I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO GO.

I'VE SEEN SO MANY OF THEM GO THROUGH SOUTHEAST DAYTON TO GET OVER TO MONSIGNOR KING.

THERE'S A PATH THAT'S JUST RIGHT BEHIND THE THE JAIL AREA.

BUT SO MY QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THEM OVER ALL THE WAY OVER TO TO 88? THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT CAME TO MIND.

BUT WHAT I DO NOT WANT TO SEE IS THAT WE BEGIN TO CRIMINALIZE HOMELESSNESS.

THAT'S NOT IT'S NOT A CRIME TO BE HOMELESS.

SO IF WE ARE REALLY GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT WRAPS AROUND THE IDEA THAT WE'RE HELPING PEOPLE AND WE'RE NOT CAUSING THEM TO BECOME CRIMINALS JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE HOMELESS.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO TO ADD TO THAT SITUATION.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? MAGUIRE.

YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK ANYBODY WHO SPENDS TIME IN DENTON KNOWS THAT WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN FOLKS LIVING ON THE STREET AND WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN FOLKS PANHANDLING.

I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING IN THIS SORT OF PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT.

ISN'T BETTER ADDRESSED BY INITIATIVES THAT ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY.

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I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US PUT MORE RESOURCES TOWARD HOMELESS OUTREACH AND THE CERT TEAM AND YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE INITIATIVES THAT ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY.

I DON'T SEE HOW, YOU KNOW, INTERROGATING SOMEONE AS TO WHY THEY'RE PANHANDLING OR, YOU KNOW, ASKING THEM TO GET A PERMIT FIRST.

I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO HELP THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE TOPICS WERE ALREADY MENTIONED.

I DON'T SUPPORT THIS.

I THINK THE PROBLEM IS IT'S OVERLY BROAD AND IT CONNECTS BEHAVIORS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY CORRELATED THAT AGAIN, THAT WE ALREADY HAVE PROGRAMS TO DEAL WITH, WHETHER THAT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT PROGRAMS ARE UNHOUSED INITIATIVES, AND IT SEEMS DUPLICATIVE IN THAT REGARD.

SO I DON'T I DON'T SUPPORT THIS AT THIS TIME.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN. MCGEE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS PITCH IS DESIGNED TO DO, BUT LET ME DEAL WITH THE END RESULT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

THE END RESULT OF THIS IS GOING TO BE FURTHER CRIMINALIZING A VULNERABLE GROUP OF PEOPLE.

AND FOR THAT REASON, I DON'T SUPPORT THIS.

FOR ME, AS A WORKING PERSON, WORKING FOLK KNOW THAT THE TRUTH IS MOST OF US ARE ONE, MAYBE TWO PAYCHECKS AWAY FROM BEING IN THIS SAME GROUP RIGHT NOW.

I WORK IN THE FREIGHT INDUSTRY AND LOGISTICS, AND IF THE ECONOMY TAKES A DOVE, I'M GONNA BE IN THIS POSITION RIGHT NOW.

I KNOW SO MANY OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE IN THE SAME BOAT.

IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME, AND THAT WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT WE WANT TO REMOVE THE PROBLEM FROM VIEW.

I DON'T WANT TO REMOVE THE PROBLEM FROM YOU.

THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO PERHAPS DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT THE PROBLEM BECAUSE IT MAKES THEM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT PERHAPS WE HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. I WANT TO LOOK AT THE PROBLEM EVERY DAY SO WE CAN MOTIVATE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY TO VOTE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE COMMITTED TO ADDRESSING THIS PROBLEM SO THAT THE PROBLEM DOESN'T EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AND FOR THAT REASON, I DON'T SUPPORT THIS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? WELL, MAYBE I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST, BUT I DON'T I DON'T REALLY SEE THIS AS A REQUEST TO FIND A WAY AND A POLICY TO OUTLAW OR PROHIBIT PANHANDLING.

WHAT I SEE IT AS IS A REQUEST TO TO LOOK AT IT COMPREHENSIVELY, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE TIME THAT WE ARE MEETING THE NEEDS AND THE GAPS AND TO ALSO GET PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS.

SHARE A STORY. I SAW A FAMILY OVER AT ACADEMY THAT THAT I PASS BY.

I DIDN'T SEE THEM UNTIL I GOT BY.

AND THEY WERE YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ASKING FOR FOR HELP.

AND I THOUGHT, OKAY, WELL, THEN I DROVE 15 MINUTES LATER TO THE GYM, WHICH WAS ACROSS TOWN AT THE MALL, AND THEY WERE THERE.

AND I WALKED UP TO HIM TO TRY TO SAY, HEY, WE GOT SERVICES HERE IN TOWN.

WE CAN HELP YOU, HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR SITUATION IS.

AND I SAID, SO YOU'RE ALL HERE IN DENTON.

AND THEY SAID, NO, WE LIVE IN ARLINGTON.

AND I THOUGHT, OKAY, ALL RIGHT.

DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY PARTICULAR OPINION ABOUT IT, BUT I'M OKAY WITH THE CONVERSATION.

I MEAN, THIS COUNCIL CAN ALSO CAN ALWAYS DECIDE WHAT TO DO AND WHAT NOT TO DO.

BUT I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN WHEN WE TRUNCATE CONVERSATION, WE MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY MAXIMIZE OUR EFFORTS.

SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS.

SURE IT'S IT'S FOUR, THREE AND, AND I'LL READ WHAT I AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE SAME THING AND IT SEEMS TO BE.

MM HMM. I READ WHAT I HAVE.

SO IT'S COUNCILMAN WATTS AND SUPPORT.

COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD AND SUPPORT.

BUT HER NOTES ARE NOTED AND THEN HER CONCERNS ARE NOTED.

THEN COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIDSON SUPPORT AND MYSELF.

THE REMAINDER COUNCILMAN MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE COUNCILMAN MCGEE WERE AGAINST.

THAT'S IT. OKAY, GREAT.

THAT TAKES US TO OUR CLOSED SESSION.

[1. Closed Meeting:]

SO IT IS FOR TEN AND I WILL CONVENE THE CLOSED SESSION AT 14.

WE WILL CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING ITEMS DELIBERATION REGARDING CERTAIN PUBLIC POWER UTILITIES COMPETITIVE MATTERS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT.

NO, NO, NO. NOT THAT ONE. SORRY.

DELIBERATION INVOLVING MEDICAL AND PSYCH PSYCHIATRIC RECORDS OF INDIVIDUALS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.

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SECTION 551071.

AND SO WE'RE NOW IN CLOSED SESSION.

WE'LL HOW LONG DO WE NEED TO SET THE ROOM? ARE WE GOOD TO GO? ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

[AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED:]

AND WE HAVE A QUORUM.

TODAY IS TUESDAY, JUNE 7TH.

CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND THE FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS STAND WITH ME.

IF YOU'RE ABLE TO PLEDGE US TO UNITED STATES AND TEXAS FLAG, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE ORDER FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS.

ONE STATE UNDER GOD.

ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE TWO PROCLAMATIONS FOR THIS EVENING, SO I'LL STEP DOWN AND INVITE THOSE PEOPLE TO COME FORWARD.

FRIEND. HELLO.

SO THE FIRST IS A PROCLAMATION FOR DENTON LGBTQIA PRIDE MONTH, AND I'LL LET EVERYONE INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND TELL

[A. Proclamation: Denton LGBTQ Pride Month]

THANK YOU. YEP. HELLO, EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS RANDY WEINBERG, ORGANIZATION DEVELOPMENT AND DIVERSITY MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF DENTON.

AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE WITH OUR DIVERSITY COMMITTEE TODAY REPRESENTING THE CITY OF DENTON FOR THE KICKOFF OF PRIDE MONTH AND THE PROCLAMATION.

JUST IT YOURSELF. OKAY.

I AM MADISON RORSCHACH, THE CITY AUDITOR.

I'M LIZ CURBELO. I'M AN ASSISTANT BUYER AND PURCHASING.

MONICA BENAVIDES, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

HAILEY PHILLIPS. I'M THE OUTREACH LIBRARIAN FOR THE DENT PUBLIC LIBRARY.

DUSTY MCGEHEE, GROUP LEADER FOR SOLID WASTE.

THANK YOU. DOESN'T LIKE THAT SHIRT.

THAT'S A GOOD SHIRT. I GOT TO GET A PURPLE ONE.

I HAVE, LIKE, A BLACK RED, BUT I NEED TO WORK THAT IN.

IT'S GOOD. YES, SIR, IT'S GOOD.

OKAY. AND SO IT READS A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESIDENTS SHALL COME.

GREETINGS. WHEREAS JUNE IS RECOGNIZED, IS A IS THE RECOGNIZED ANNIVERSARY OF THE STONEWALL UPRISING IN NEW YORK AS THE BEGINNING OF THE MODERN LESBIAN, GAY, BISEXUAL, TRANSGENDER, QUEER QUESTIONING.

INTERSEX AND ASEXUAL IS EQUALITY MOVEMENT.

AND. WHEREAS, DURING THE MONTH OF JUNE, LGBTQIA PLUS PRIDE MONTH IS CELEBRATED NATIONALLY AND RECOGNIZES THE TIRELESS EFFORTS OF THE LGBTQIA AND ALLIED GROUPS WHO HAVE PURSUED EQUALITY FOR ALL CITIZENS IN TEXAS AND THIS COUNTRY.

AND. WHEREAS, ON JUNE 27, 2015, THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES IN THE TEXAS IN THE IN THE CASE OF OBERGEFELL ET AL, V HODGES, DIRECTOR, OHIO DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, ET AL, RULED THAT THE CONSTITUTION GRANTS SAME SEX COUPLES THE SAME RIGHT TO MARRY THAT A HETEROSEXUAL COUPLE HAS.

AND. WHEREAS, ON JUNE 15, 2020, THE SUPREME COURT DECIDED IN BOSTOCK V CLAYTON THAT THE TITLE SEVEN OF CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964 COVERS SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER IDENTITY, MAKING IT ILLEGAL FOR EMPLOYERS TO DISCRIMINATE BASED ON SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER IDENTITY.

NOW, THEREFORE, I GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF JUNE 2022 AS DENTON, LGBTQIA PLUS PRIDE MONTH IN THE CITY OF DENTON, AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO CELEBRATE THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY IN PROMOTING DIVERSITY AND TOLERANCE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTRY.

IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A HAND. YES.

THAT'S WHY YOU'RE RIGHT.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PETER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. EXCUSE ME.

THANK YOU. YOU MEAN I'M GOING TO X? YEAH. JUST IN CASE I EAT SOMETHING.

I'M IN. I WANT TO PLAY WITH THAT NEW SYSTEM THEY HAVE.

OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE EVERYONE THAT IS HERE TO RECOGNIZE JUNETEENTH DAY.

[B. Proclamation: Juneteenth Day]

JUNETEENTH.

HEY. HOW ARE YOU? VERY WELL. VERY GOOD TO SEE YOU.

OH, MAN, THAT'S GREAT.

OKAY, SO I'LL LET YOU ALL INTRODUCE YOURSELVES AND TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW.

AND THEN I KNOW EVENTS ARE COMING UP, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO JUST US KNOW WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SHARE.

AND THEN I'LL READ THE PROCLAMATION.

MY NAME IS CAROLYN MOHER AND I'M WITH JUNE 10TH UNIVERSITY.

AND THIS YEAR WE COLLABORATED WITH THE JUNETEENTH COUNTY DAYTON COUNTY ORGANIZATION TO PUT ON A FABULOUS JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION PARADE AND EVERYTHING.

AND YOU WERE ALL INVITED.

WATCH YOUR PAPER FOR DETAILS.

I DON'T WANT TO SPEND THAT ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THEY HAVE IMPORTANT BUSINESS TO GET TO.

HI, I'M MEREDITH SMITH.

I AM THE SECRETARY FOR THE DENTON JUNETEENTH COMMITTEE.

JUST WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF OVERVIEW.

WE INVITE EVERYBODY OUT TO FRED MOORE PARK THIS WEEKEND.

SO WELL NEXT WEEKEND, SO IT WILL BE THE 17TH, FRIDAY EVENING WILL BE GOSPEL NIGHT.

SO THAT'S ALWAYS A BEAUTIFUL NIGHT.

AND THEN ALL DAY SATURDAY, WE'LL HAVE LOTS OF THINGS GOING ON OUT THE PARK, LOTS OF FOOD, FUN STUFF FOR THE KIDS, STUFF FOR THE FAMILY.

AND THEN WE'LL HAVE MUSIC THAT NIGHT TOO.

SO COME ON OUT.

MY NAME IS BIRDIE JOHNSON.

I AM THE CHAIRPERSON FOR THE JUNETEENTH PARADE AS WELL AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER.

WE WILL BE CELEBRATING SATURDAY, R&B, ROCK AND ROLL, COUNTRY, WESTERN, WHATEVER YOU LIKE.

WE GOT IT.

FRIDAY NIGHT GOSPEL.

WE HAVE QUARTETS COMING ALL THE WAY FROM LOUISIANA, MISSISSIPPI, CALIFORNIA, COME OUT AND ENJOY.

AND DON'T FORGET, WE'VE GOT LOCAL TALENT, LOTS OF LOCAL TALENT.

PLEASE GO ON OUR WEBSITE AND SEE ALL THE GREAT THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO ENJOY THIS WEEKEND.

WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

PLEASE SHARE WITH US.

GREAT. GREAT.

YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH. GIVE A HAND.

THAT'S GOOD. SO THIS IS A BIT OF A HOME GAME FOR ME.

SO THE MOHAIR FAMILY AND I GO WAY BACK.

I TRY TO GET ADOPTED INTO THEIR FAMILY.

AND THEN. AND THEN. AND THEN.

AND THEN. NOT YET.

AND IN MARATHA, IN OUR FAMILY, WE GREW UP IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD, HER AND HER BROTHER, WE USED TO RUN AROUND.

AND SO THIS IS GREAT.

THIS IS FANTASTIC. SO HERE WE GO.

IT GOES A THERE'S A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME GREETINGS.

WHEREAS OUR COUNTRY IS IS MADE UP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DECLARED EQUAL, BUT NOT ONLY IN FREEDOM, BUT ALSO IN JUSTICE, BOTH OF WHICH ARE ESSENTIAL FOR OUR HEALTHY HUMAN CIVILIZATION.

AND. WHEREAS, ON JANUARY 1ST, 1863, ABRAHAM LINCOLN ISSUED THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION DECLARING ALL PERSONS HELD AS SLAVES IN DESIGNATED STATES OR PARTS OF STATES SHALL BE THEN THEIR THENCE FORWARD FOREVER FREE, AN ACT LATER RATIFIED BY THE 13TH AMENDMENT ON DECEMBER SIX, 1865, WHICH OFFICIALLY ENDED SLAVERY.

AND. WHEREAS, ON JUNE 19TH, 1865, OVER TWO YEARS LATER, GENERAL GORDON GRANGER ARRIVED IN GALVESTON, TEXAS, AND ANNOUNCED TO THE PEOPLE OF TEXAS THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROCLAMATION FROM THE EXECUTIVE OF THE UNITED STATES, ALL SLAVES ARE FREE.

THIS DATE, KNOWN AS JUNETEENTH, IS BROADLY RECOGNIZED AS THE DATE IN WHICH THE FREEDOM FOR FROM SLAVERY WAS FULLY REALIZED IN TEXAS.

AND. WHEREAS, TEXAS BEGAN THE CELEBRATION OF JUNETEENTH IN 1866 WITH THE COMMUNITY EVENTS AND CELEBRATIONS, AND AS FREED FAMILIES IMMIGRATED FROM TEXAS TO OTHER PARTS OF THE UNITED STATES, THEY CARRIED JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION WITH THEM.

AND. WHEREAS, IN 1980, JUNETEENTH BECAME AN OFFICIAL TEXAS STATE HOLIDAY.

IN JUNE 2021, LEGISLATION WAS SIGNED DECLARING JUNETEENTH A FEDERAL HOLIDAY.

AND THE CITY OF DENTON RECOGNIZES THE VAST CONTRIBUTIONS THAT AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE MADE TO THIS COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT AND THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

NOW, THEREFORE, I GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THE 19TH DAY OF JUNE 2022 AS JUNETEENTH DAY IN THE CITY OF DENTON, AND

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YOU CAN GIVE THEM A HAND.

THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OK. THAT TAKES US TO PRESENTATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC.

[3. PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC]

THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, INCLUDING A CODE OF CONDUCT THAT APPLIES TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THESE RULES WERE ENACTED TO PROMOTE AN ORDERLY PROCESS AND TO PRESERVE DECORUM.

SPEAKERS WILL HAVE 4 MINUTES TO GIVE A SCHEDULED REPORT AND 4 MINUTES TO GIVE AN OPEN MIC REPORT.

A BELL WILL RING WHEN TIME HAS EXPIRED.

IF THE REMARKS ARE NOT CONCLUDED BY THAT TIME, THE SPEAKER WILL BE ASKED TO STOP SPEAKING.

IF THE SPEAKER DOES NOT CEASE AND A SECOND REQUEST IS MADE, THE MAYOR MAY REQUEST TO HAVE THE SPEAKER REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER.

SPEAKERS SHOULD NOT APPROACH THE DAIS.

IF A SPEAKER HAS MATERIALS FOR THE COUNCIL, PLEASE NOTIFY THE CITY SECRETARY IN ADVANCE FOR SCHEDULED REPORTS.

THE COUNCIL MAY INITIATE DISCUSSION OR ASK QUESTIONS FOR NON SCHEDULED OPEN MIC REPORTS.

THE COUNCIL MAY LISTEN, HOWEVER, BECAUSE NO NOTICE OF THE SUBJECT OF THE OPEN MIC REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC IN ADVANCE.

THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR DECISION BY THE COUNCIL ON NON SCHEDULED ITEMS. AS A RESULT, THE COUNCIL MAY ONLY PROCEED AS FOLLOWS ON NON SCHEDULED ITEMS PROPOSED TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA, MAKE A STATEMENT, A FACTUAL POLICY OR A RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY.

SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO DIRECT ALL REMARKS AND QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER.

PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MAKING ABUSIVE, PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS.

ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE MAY BE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER.

THANK YOU. IN ADVANCE.

COPIES OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY SECRETARY.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO THE FIRST SPEAKER I HAVE IS DEBBIE.

MS.. DEBBIE SIMMS. IT'S ALL RIGHT. OH, YES.

HEY. AND SO YOU CAN COME TO THE PODIUM THERE.

YES. THANK YOU.

AND IF YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT ON THE PODIUM THERE AT THE TIME.

OR IT WILL BE TO YOUR TO YOUR RIGHT OR LEFT THERE.

OKAY. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS DEBBIE SIMMS. I'M THE OWNER OF DEBBIE DOING COMPANY SALON HERE IN DENTON.

I'M AN 1801 NORTH ELM.

I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT AND A BUSINESS OWNER IN DENTON FOR OVER 40 YEARS.

MY PARTICIPATION IN THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ONE OF MY PASSIONS.

OUR SALON HAS HELPED MANY ORGANIZATIONS THE ROTARY CLUB, TOYS FOR TOTS, THE SOUP KITCHEN, AND SERVED IT.

AND I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF THE JAZZ FEST AND ADVISOR FOR THE COSMETOLOGY DEPARTMENT, NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET.

I THINK YOU'LL HAVE A LITTLE DOCUMENT ON THAT.

THAT'S THE REASON I'M HERE.

WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE WATER INTERRUPTIONS FOR OVER FIVE YEARS, CAUSED FROM A MAIN WATERLINE IN FRONT OF THE SALON.

NOT CONSTRUCTION, JUST A MAIN WATERLINE.

MAJORITY OF THE TIME WITHOUT NOTICE.

JUST THIS LAST YEAR WE WERE SHUT DOWN 13 TIMES.

ON OCTOBER THE 29TH, 2021, I FILED A CLAIM WITH THE RISK DEPARTMENT ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY OF DENTON WATER EMERGENCY CREW.

I MET WITH I MET WITH THE CITY OFFICIALS AND THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD MEET WITH THE CITY OF DENTON WATER DEPARTMENT DECEMBER THE 15TH, 2021.

I SENT A LETTER TO OUR MAYOR, CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

FROM THAT LETTER WE HAD A ZOOM MEETING.

WE DISCUSSED THE PROBLEMS AND THE FINANCES LOST.

THEN THE CITY MANAGER SAID THE CITY IS TAKING IMMUNITY, BUT THE CITY WOULD CONTACT ME AT ANOTHER WHEN THEY WOULD CONNECT ME TO ANOTHER VALVE TO FIX THAT WATER PROBLEM. MARCH THE 14TH, 2022.

THEY SHUT OUR WATER OFF TO CONNECT THAT VALVE.

THAT DIDN'T WORK.

APRIL THE 12TH, 2022, LLOYD'S ASPHALT COMPANY ALSO REPAIRED THE STRAITS AND HIT OUR WATER LINE ONCE AGAIN.

WE WERE WITHOUT WATER.

THIS IS THE WEEK OF EASTER.

WE HAD A FULL SALON OF EIGHT STYLISTS AND MANY CLIENTS WITH COLOR, PERMS, BLEACH, LOTS OF CHEMICALS.

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SORRY. SO QUICKLY, I MADE AN EMERGENCY CALL TO THE CITY MANAGER AND HER AND DAVID GRIMES, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, CAME ON SITE WITH WATER EXPLODING THROUGH THE PIPE AND MY EXTREME FRUSTRATION AND ANXIETY.

SHE WAS LOST FOR WORDS SHE HAD HOLDING HER FACE PACED UP AND DOWN WHILE MY CLIENTS AND STYLIST ARE IN THE SALON WORRIED ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THEIR CLIENTS AT THAT TIME, WE HAD NO PLAN, NO WATER AND NO ANSWERS.

THE WATER DIRECTOR BROUGHT IN EIGHT CASES OF WATER, BUT THAT IS NO HELP WITH WITHOUT WATER PRESSURE.

WHEN THERE IS CHEMICALS ON HAIR, IT IS LIKE MUD AND A BOTTLE OF WATER WILL NOT RELEASE THAT MUD OFF THAT WHICH PUTS US IN MAJOR DANGER.

AND OUR CLIENTS ARE SCARED TO DEATH.

THE SOLUTION, ANOTHER ANOTHER INEFFECTIVE SOLUTION TO THE IMMEDIATE PROBLEM.

HOWEVER, THE ASPHALT COMPANY LEFT ME AT THE ASPHALT COMPANY FELT THE NEED TO REIMBURSE US FOR OUR LOSS OF WAGES THAT DAY.

THANK YOU. LLOYD'S ASPHALT COMPANY.

BUT THE CITY OF DETROIT TAKES IMMUNITY WHEN OUR WATER IS OFF.

TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING REGULATION SAYS WE HAVE TO CLOSE OUR BUSINESS UNTIL OUR WATER IS RESTORED.

THE WATER MAIN RUNS PARALLEL WITH THE GAS LINE.

ATMOS ENERGY HAS ASKED THAT I CONTACT THEM IMMEDIATELY WHEN THE CITY IS WORKING ON THAT LINE TO AVOID POTENTIAL HAZARDS.

THEY WANT TO BE OUT THERE.

THIS SHOULD BE THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY.

THIS NEGATIVE IMPACT HAS AFFECTED MY BUSINESS WAY TOO LONG.

WE NEED YOUR HELP.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND IT IS REGISTERED EARLY.

AND I DO WANT TO MS..

CITY MANAGER, THAT YOU WANT TO SHARE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ALL KNOW WE'RE MOVING CLOSER TO SOME PROGRESS ON A PERMANENT SOLUTION.

BUT WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SHARE.

YEAH. SO HOW DO YOU WANT TO SAY DEBBIE KNOWS I SPEND SOME QUALITY TIME OUT THERE, BUT WE DID GO OUT THERE AND WE LOOKED AT WHAT WAS GOING ON.

I TOLD THE ASPHALT COMPANY THEY WERE GOING TO PAY YOU, SO THEY WERE A CONTRACTOR TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

I TOLD THEM THEY WERE GOING TO PAY FOR YOUR ALL THE EXPENSES THAT YOU INCURRED AND DIDN'T HAVE YOUR CLIENTS BE ABLE TO STAY ON SITE.

SO THAT CAME FROM A CONTRACTOR WHO WORKED FOR THE CITY.

SO WE WERE NOT PAYING THEM THAT AMOUNT THAT YOU SENT ME.

SO YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A CHECK DIRECTLY FROM THEM.

YES, FOR THAT AMOUNT.

DURING THAT TIME. THEY HAVE PUT IN THE VALVES THAT SHOULD HELP THE SITUATION.

BUT. I WILL TELL YOU, OUR STAFF, BECKY DEVENY, IS WORKING DESPERATELY WITH TEXT TO COME TO A RESOLUTION SO WE CAN PERMANENTLY FIX THIS.

THEY WOULD HELP US AND THEN THEN GET THE ROAD RESURFACED.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TOMORROW.

BUT WE YOU KNOW, I'VE TOLD YOU, YOU CAN CALL ME AND I'LL WE'LL HOLD THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE AGAIN.

BUT I KNOW IT'S NOT THE BEST ANSWER FOR YOU, BUT WE DO THINK WE HAVE A RESOLUTION COMING.

FIVE YEARS IS WAY TOO LONG.

I AGREE. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN.

THAT WAS AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION AND IT BUSTED RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE CAUSED YOUR LOW WATER PRESSURE.

AND I KNOW I HAVE OUR WATER SERVICES DIRECTOR HERE, BUT WE TRIED OUR BEST.

BUT YOU HAVE MY WORD.

YOU HAVE MY NUMBER. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET HOLD OF ME.

BUT WE HOPE TO HAVE A SOLUTION HERE SOON AND BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PERMANENTLY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

THAT TAKES US TO.

OH, WELL, IT WASN'T THERE A MINUTE AGO.

SORRY. IF YOU CAN COME BACK UP.

YEAH, IF YOU ALL COULD, PLEASE.

BECAUSE THERE'S LOTS OF MOVING PARTS.

IF YOU IF YOU PLAN TO SPEAK, JUST GO AHEAD AND HIT THE BUTTON AS SOON AS YOU PLAN TO SPEAK VERSUS LATER SO I CAN SEE IT AND ADJUST ACCORDINGLY.

MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. IS THERE TEMPORARY SOLUTION, MS..

CITY MANAGER, THAT THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE WATER THAT SO SO I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE GOT LONG TERM PLANS AND THAT'S GREAT AND WE'RE GOING TO GET THEM TO A FULLY RECTIFIED SITUATION.

BUT DO WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WILL ACT AS A TEMPORARY MEASURE? WELL, WE HAVE TWO THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE.

ONE IS, WHICH IS NOT VERY GOOD, AS SHE'S MENTIONED, IS WE'VE DELIVERED WATER THERE AND OFFERED TO KEEP HER STOCKED.

STOCKTON WATER. THE OTHER ONE IS WHAT OUR WATER SERVICES DIRECTOR, STEVEN, HAS PUT IN PLACE, WHICH IS TWO VALVES.

IT WILL NOT IT WILL HARDER FROM A WATER PRESSURE, BUT SHE'LL STILL HAVE SOME WATER.

WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS LAST TIME WAS THE ROAD, THE ASPHALT COMPANY THAT THE CITY HIRED.

THE LINES ARE NOT VERY DEEP.

SO ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS, ANY KIND OF PRESSURE ON IT AND THEY BUSTED A LINE AND THEY BUSTED IT RIGHT IN BETWEEN THERE.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S SHOT UP.

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IT WAS A TERRIBLE SCENE.

AND AND THEY HAD TO TURN IT OFF TO BE ABLE TO SHUT AND FIX THAT HOLE.

BUT THE VALVES ARE THERE FOR A PURPOSE SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE WORKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND STUFF, THEY CAN TURN THAT VALVE OFF AND NOT AFFECT HER BUSINESS.

IN THIS CASE, IT AFFECTED IT BECAUSE IT WAS A BIG GAPING HOLE IN THE PIPE.

BUT I HAVE STEVE AND OUR WATER SERVICES DIRECTOR, AND THAT'S REALLY THE TWO THINGS WE CAN DO UNTIL WE GET THIS PERMANENT FIX, WHICH BECKY IS DESPERATELY WORKING ON AND IS, I THINK, GOING TO PULL OUT A MIRACLE, QUITE FRANKLY.

BUT STEPHEN CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE WE PUT IT AND WHY WE PUT IT THERE.

THAT COULD HELP, AT LEAST, UNFORTUNATELY, IN THIS TYPE OF LIFE.

OKAY. SO THANK YOU.

I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT THE QUESTION WAS FOR YOU.

SO WE'RE ALL GOOD.

AND THEN STEVEN, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO.

SO THANK YOU, MR. SIMS. APPRECIATE IT. YES, SIR.

STEVEN GAY, DIRECTOR OF WATER UTILITIES.

WE ACTUALLY DID INSTALL TWO VALVES AND IT'S A FOUR INCH CAST IRON MAIN THAT'S IN ELM STREET ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BUSINESS.

SO IF WE LOSE, IF IF THE LINE IS COMPROMISED ON EITHER SIDE OF THE VALVE, WE CAN JUST CLOSE ONE VALVE AND FEED HER BUSINESS FROM THE OTHER SIDE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE WORK THAT WAS BEING DONE BY FLOYD SMITH WAS RIGHT IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO VALVES.

AND. AND IT TOOK.

WHAT IT DID IS IT RIPPED OUT OF SERVICE, THE SERVICE CONNECTION TO ANOTHER BUSINESS THAT WAS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.

SO WE'VE DONE WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN WITH REGARDS TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND THEN, AS MR. SIMS SAID, THAT WE DID BRING, I THINK, ABOUT EIGHT CASES OF WATER OUT.

AND I RECOGNIZED THAT WITHOUT THE PRESSURE, IT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT.

BUT WE'RE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN AT THIS POINT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THAT TAKES US TO CATHIE WOOD'S MS..

CATHIE WOOD. THANK YOU.

AND IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES. THANK YOU.

YES, MY NAME IS CATHIE WOOD'S.

I LIVE AT 504 ROTANA HERE IN DENTON.

I AM A CLIENT FRIEND AND AN ASSISTANT TO DEBBIE.

I AM VERY COMFORTED BY THE COMMENTS THAT YOU'VE MADE.

MS.. HENSLEY THAT MAKES US FEEL BETTER.

WHAT I THINK A LOT OF MY COMMENTS THEN I'M GOING TO BYPASS, BUT I AM GOING TO SAY PROVIDE TO YOU SOME FINANCIALS STATS THAT WILL LET YOU KNOW JUST HOW THIS IMPACTS THESE TOWERS.

SO IN 2021 ALONE, THAT WILL BE ALL THAT I'M ADDRESSING.

BUT I'M ASKING YOU TO KEEP IN MIND THAT FOUR YEARS PRIOR THEY HAD SIMILAR ISSUES THAT RESULTED IN A LOSS OF FUNDS THAT WERE NEVER REIMBURSED.

AND I'LL ASK YOU A THOUGHT PROVOKING QUESTION.

DO ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT A PROFESSIONAL STYLIST, INDEPENDENT STYLIST MAKES IN A DAY? I DIDN'T. AND DEBBIE SHARED WITH ME THAT THAT'S AN AVERAGE OF $650 A DAY PER STYLIST.

SO THAT'S 50 $200 A DAY.

AND IN 2021, THOSE 13 DAYS THAT WERE LOST, THAT COMPANY LOST $67,600, NEVER TO BE REIMBURSED.

THAT NOT ONLY IMPACTS THEM INDIVIDUALLY, THAT IMPACTS THEIR FAMILIES.

AND SOME OF THEM ARE SINGLE WOMEN THAT HAVE CHILDREN TO SUPPORT.

AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

SO. THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER, TOO, AND I THINK THAT ONCE THIS PERMANENT SOLUTION IS IN PLACE, THAT WILL BE GREAT.

WE WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ALL THIS.

BUT IN THE INTERIM IS THESE GALS HAVE THEIR INDEPENDENT.

THEY DON'T HAVE ACCRUED PAID TIME OFF, YOU KNOW, NO SICK LEAVE, NO VACATION TIME, NO ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS.

SO THERE'S NO WAY TO FULLY RECOVER THE REVENUE.

CANCELED APPOINTMENTS ARE DIFFICULT TO RESCHEDULE IN A CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE ORIGINAL APPOINTMENT DATE BECAUSE CALENDARS ARE FULL AND PEOPLE'S SCHEDULES ARE BUSY.

SO AGAIN, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE SAID AND IT'S OBVIOUS THAT YOU'RE TAKING THIS MATTER SERIOUSLY, HAVING GONE OUT THERE AND SEEN IT.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE DIDN'T GET OUR OUR POWERPOINT TO THE OFFICE SOON ENOUGH.

BUT YOU HAVE THE PACKET THERE AND YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURES OF THE WATER GOING EVERYWHERE.

AND BLESS HIS HEART, SHE'S GOT HER RUBBER BOOTS OVER THERE.

JUST, YOU KNOW, AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT SHE HAS TO KEEP ON HAND IN CASE SHE HAS TO GO OUT THERE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD, NOT JUST FOR DEBBIE'S BUSINESS, BUT FOR OTHERS, IS TO PUT SOME FORETHOUGHT BEFORE SOME DECISION IS MADE INTO COMMUNICATING BETTER WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THESE OUTAGES.

AND HAVING A PLAN, DEVELOPING A PLAN, WORKING WITH US, WORKING WITH THE BUSINESSES TO DEVELOP A PLAN OF ACTION WHEN SOMETHING DOES OCCUR.

BECAUSE WE WANT DENTON TO GROW.

WE WANT BUSINESSES TO COME TO DENTON NEW BUSINESSES.

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AND DEBBIE'S CERTAINLY DONE A GREAT JOB OVER THE LAST 40 YEARS.

SO THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS, LIKE YOU DID WITH THE VALVES AND UNFORTUNATELY THE ASPHALT CUT IN BETWEEN THEM, HOW SAD IS THAT? BUT IS TO CONSIDER AT THE TIME, IS THERE SOMETHING TEMPORARY THAT COULD BE DONE TO AT LEAST GET THROUGH THE BUSINESS DAY AND THEN COULD THE REPAIRS BE DONE AFTER HOURS? YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A SOLUTION, BUT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DISTURBS ME, MY HUSBAND USED TO WORK FOR THE GAS COMPANY FOR 33 YEARS IS THAT DEBBIE WAS ASKED BY ATMOS TO NOTIFY THEM WHEN THESE MATTERS OCCURRED.

THAT'S NOT HER RESPONSIBILITY.

THAT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY TO TALK TO THESE PROVIDERS, THESE UTILITY PROVIDERS, AND ADVISE THEM OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

THAT CERTAINLY SHOULD NOT BE DEBBIE'S RESPONSIBILITY.

AND THAT'S YOUR TIME.

I'M SORRY. YEAH, IT DIDN'T DING.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT DIDN'T DING, BUT.

YES, OKAY. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK ALONGSIDE YOU AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. CATHERINE WATTS MY QUESTION IS PRIMARILY FOR THE CITY MANAGER OR THE SERVICE DIRECTOR.

THOSE TWO VALVES. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE SERVICE LINE FOR THAT BUSINESS IS IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO VALVES BECAUSE THE SERVICE LINE BETWEEN THOSE TWO VALVES.

OKAY. SO IS THERE A TEMPORARY SOLUTION WHERE YOU COULD ADD AN ADDITIONAL TEMPORARY SERVICE LINE, EITHER ON THE OTHER END OF THOSE VALVES WITH SOME VALVES THAT WOULD WOULD REROUTE THAT WATER, BECAUSE THERE'S GOT TO BE EITHER THAT OR PUT A TEMPORARY TANK OUT THERE WITH SOME VALVE WORK THAT THAT COULD PROVIDE THEM SOME WATER PRESSURE AND THE HEIGHT AND ALSO THE SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF GALLONS THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO AT LEAST GET THROUGH THE REST OF THE DAY.

I MEAN, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO.

BECAUSE THAT'S STAGGERING.

THAT'S JUST STAGGERING WHAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING.

YES, COUNSELOR.

WE HAVE LOOKED AT RUNNING TEMPORARY SERVICE SERVICES, BUT THE NEAREST HYDRANT IS TOO FAR AWAY.

SO WE CAN WE CAN EXPLORE INSTALLING A HYDRANT CLOSER ON EITHER SIDE OF THOSE VALVES TO POTENTIALLY MITIGATE THIS.

BUT THE CHALLENGE WAS, SINCE THE SERVICE IS BETWEEN THOSE TWO VALVES, NO MATTER WHAT WE DID, WE HAD TO.

AND TO BE CLEAR, WE NEVER TURN THE WATER OFF.

DURING THAT LAST INCIDENT, WE ACTUALLY DID THE REPAIR HOT.

SO WE DIDN'T THEY LOST PRESSURE, BUT THEY NEVER LOST WATER FULLY.

AND SO WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD POSSIBLY DO.

BUT BEYOND PUTTING, WE CALL THEM A WATER BUFFALO, LIKE A WATER TANK ON SITE WITH SOME TYPE OF A PUMP.

WE CAN EXPLORE THAT AS WELL AS I WOULD I WOULD I WOULD RUN THAT BY THEM BECAUSE THAT WOULD SAVE, NUMBER ONE, I THINK, MONEY IN THE LONG RUN FOR THE BUSINESS AND ALSO FOR WHOEVER HITS THAT WATERLINE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S REAL LOW.

I MEAN, IF IT'S SHALLOW IN THE ROAD BECAUSE THE WATER BUFFALO WITH ASSOCIATED VALVE WORK, YOU KNOW, IT ALLOWS THEM AT LEAST TO CONTINUE TO GO.

THEY CAN PROBABLY TURN SOME VALVES OR AUTOMATIC.

AND IT. YES, SIR, IT DOES.

BUT IT DOES IT IS COMPLICATED.

A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S A WATER QUALITY ISSUE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN IN THAT TANK TO BE MONITORED REGULARLY, FLUSHED REGULARLY.

SO WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THOSE.

YEAH, THAT'D BE INTERESTING.

WHITE PAPER TO SEE ON THAT.

YES. YEP. THANK YOU.

THEN THAT TAKES US TO MR. MAX. MR. FROMER.

GOOD EVENING, SIR. SORRY I MISSED YOU LAST TIME, BUT THANK YOU.

GOOD. YEAH.

NO, NO WORRIES. NO PROBLEM AT ALL.

WE'RE GOOD TO GO. SO IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES.

OKAY, MA'AM, THIS MARKS FARMER 1412 FOX HOLLOW.

AND WHAT I LIKE TO DISCUSS IS A PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, THE BUSSES AND THIS NEW SYSTEM OF GOES ON START WITH GOES ON WITH ABOUT FIVE EXPERIENCES.

WAS IT WAS IT KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS OF THE PROBLEMS IT HAS? FIRST TWO TIMES I TOOK IT ONE WAY TO DOCTOR'S OFFICE.

EVERYTHING FINE. THIRD TIME THEY GOT.

THANK YOU. THE THIRD TIME THE BUS DIDN'T SHOW UP, HE WENT TO LONG GRASS, SO I WALKED

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IT WAS A NIGERIAN.

HE TOLD ME TO FOLLOW THEM DOWN.

IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO EVEN TELL HIM THAT THERE WAS A WRONG LOCATION.

HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, SO I HAD TO GET OUT, FIND THE CLOSEST BUS STOP TO GET HOME.

THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED.

THE LAST EXAMPLE.

YESTERDAY I MOVED TO ACE HARDWARE.

GETTING THERE WAS FINE.

COMING BACK, THE GUY TAKES ME ON MY CELL PHONE, SO IT WAS THERE.

HE MADE A QUICK SWEEP IN FRONT, DIDN'T SEE ME, KEPT GOING.

SO I HAD TO CALL HIM A SECOND TIME.

THEN I LIKED SOME OF THE THINGS THEY NEED TO WORK ON.

PARTICULARLY, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WHOEVER THERE'S A HIRING AND YOU NEED TO ASK HIM TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW THE BUSSES I SINCE I CAN'T SEE WELL I DON'T DRIVE SO I HAVE TO TAKE THE BUSSES AND THAT IS CHANGE THE ROUTE ON SEVERAL OF THEM POSTER MATERIAL WHICH I TAKE A LOT THEY SHORTENED IT AND NO LONGER GOES TO THE HOSPITAL AND ONE GOES ANYWHERE CLOSE TO MY.

I TALKED TO HER SON ABOUT A TEN MINUTE WALK.

I WAS CLOSING AGAIN, SO I THINK DOCTOR WOULD APPROVE OF THAT.

BUT THE OTHER A BLOOD LAB THAT I USED TO USE IS TOO FAR TO WALK.

THEY ALSO DID AWAY WITH POST NUMBER ONE.

I USED TO GO TO A DOCTOR THERE.

I CAN'T GO THERE ANYMORE.

ALSO, MY PODIATRIST WAS ON THAT OUT NO MORE AND I'M GOING TO CALL IT RETINA SPECIALIST NO MORE.

SO I THINK WE STILL NEED THE BUSSES, BUT THEY NEED TO APOLOGIZE BETTER WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GO, PARTICULARLY HOSPITALS, DOCTORS AND GROCERY STORES.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTING.

I LOVE MEAN ANYTHING NOT TO YOU BUT IF YOU CAN PLEASE DISCUSS IT.

YEAH. AND DO AND DO WE.

MR.. MR.. MR..

FROMER, DO WE.

DO WE HAVE HIS NUMBER SO THAT WE CAN.

YEAH. IF YOU CAN GET IT. AND THEN WE'LL REACH OUT TO SETA AND FIND OUT WHO HE NEEDS TO CALL.

IF HE'S IF HE'S STRANDED OR IF HE HAS ANY ISSUES.

GREAT.

OKAY. SO WHILE SHE'S GETTING THAT, MR. DYLAN BURKE. SO.

OKAY. YEAH.

I THOUGHT I SAW HIM WALK IN.

YEAH. IN THE END, I WAS OUT THERE.

YEAH, WELL, NO, I JUST.

I SAW YOU WALK IN, SO.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. NO WORRIES.

I HAVE A. SORRY.

MY NAME IS STEPHEN BLOOMBERG.

1000 FOR ABBOTS LANE.

GIVE ME JUST A SECOND. I HAVE A VIDEO IF YOU SHOULDN'T PLAY THAT WHILE.

YEAH, YEAH. AND YOU WANT THEM TO GO AHEAD AND START OR YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL YOU GET SET UP SO THAT THEY CAN GO FROM THE VIDEO AND YOU'RE SET BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S UP TO YOU.

NO, NO. YEAH, GET SET UP AND THEN WE'LL PLAY IT.

YEAH. SO YOU DO YOUR THING.

TELL WHEN YOU'RE READY. AND THEY CAN BE QUEUING UP THE VIDEO.

BUT DON'T START IT YET.

WE'LL WAIT.

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NO, NO, NO. I GOT IT. I GOT TO DO THAT.

SHE'S HERE. I MARKED IT OFF WRONG.

ALL RIGHT, I'M READY WHEN YOU ALL ARE.

STEPHEN HILLENBURG 1004 ABBOTS LANE HERE IN DENTON.

THE PRESS LAST WEEK.

BREAST MILK DECLARATION FOR MOTHERS.

WORKING MOTHERS REPORTED IT BEING GREEN.

BREAST MILK. I AM NOT MAKING IT UP AFTER THEY WERE VACCINATED.

YET PFIZER CONCLUDED THERE WERE NO SERIOUS ADVERSE EVENTS.

NUMBER FIVE, PFIZER'S INTERNAL DOCUMENTS, WHICH ITSELF DEFINED ITS EXPOSURE TO THE VACCINE AS INCLUDING RECIPE NUMBER SIX IS MISSING DATA IN THE PFIZER DOCUMENT OF 277.

I DIDN'T THINK THREE WERE.

OKAY? YEAH. THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT VERSION OF THE VIDEO.

WE HAD SENT HIM ANOTHER ONE YESTERDAY, AND THEN I CONFIRMED WITH BILLY TODAY OR NOT WITH BILLY WITH STEPHEN THAT THEY HAD IT.

OKAY. YOU CAN HAVE THE VIDEO, STEVE 31.

IT'S NOT.

BEAR WITH US. NO WORRIES.

IT'S THE SAME THING THE BACKGROUND MUSIC HAS JUST TAKEN OUT.

SO YOU CAN HEAR WHAT SHE'S ACTUALLY SAYING.

ESSENTIALLY THE BACKGROUND MUSIC IS JUST TAKEN OUT, SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY HEAR WHAT SHE'S SAYING.

RIGHT.

IF YOU HAVE A GOOD FIRST VIDEO.

AND THEN WHEN YOU SENT THE EMAIL TO SAY, DID YOU GET THE VIDEO FROM BILLY? HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS A DIFFERENT VIDEO, SO HE DIDN'T LOAD IT.

JUST BEING HONEST.

SO. SO SHOULD WE JUST GO FORWARD WITHOUT IT? I WOULD GO WITHOUT THE VIDEO. ALL RIGHT, THAT'S FINE.

IF WE CAN DO THE DOCUMENT CAMERA, THAT THAT'LL WORK.

CAN WE GET STEVE? YOU CAN TURN ON THE DOCUMENT CAMERA AND THEN IF STAFF CAN JUST EMAIL THE UPDATED VIDEO.

YEAH, THAT'D BE FINE.

ESSENTIALLY, THAT VIDEO TALKS ABOUT SOME PRETTY GLARING INFORMATION FROM THIS PFIZER TRIAL, INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN.

SO THIS INFORMATION WAS THROUGH FEBRUARY 28TH OF LAST YEAR.

SO THROUGH FEBRUARY 28TH, 2021, THEY INITIALLY HAD THEIR APPROVAL, DECEMBER 11TH OF 2020.

AND SO ESSENTIALLY THAT IS ABOUT TWO MONTHS WORTH OF DATA.

THERE WERE OVER 1200 DEATHS.

ALL RIGHT. FOR PREGNANT OR FOR NURSING MOTHERS REPORTED BLUE, GREEN BREAST MILK.

270 PREGNANT WOMEN WERE EVALUATED FOR RECEIVING THE VACCINE.

AND 232 OF THOSE WERE UNKNOWN OUTCOMES OR SORRY, 238 OF THOSE WERE UNKNOWN OUTCOMES.

OF THE UNKNOWN OUTCOMES, 28 BABIES DIED.

SO 28 OUT OF 32 KNOWN OUTCOMES.

THE BABIES DIED AFTER BEING EXPOSED TO PFIZER'S VACCINE, A VACCINE THAT THE CDC AND FDA HAS HAD ACCESS TO THIS INFORMATION SINCE APRIL 30TH OF 2021.

AND THEY GOT ON TV AND THEY TOLD US ALL IT WAS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE.

ALL RIGHT. HOW MANY PEOPLE DID THIS HURT? WELL, WE KNOW THROUGH FEBRUARY OF 2021 THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE HURT.

ALL RIGHT. I KNOW THAT IN MARCH OF 21, 20, 21, SIX DAYS AFTER MY MOM RECEIVED THE FIRST DOSE OF THIS VACCINE OF PFIZER, SHE HAD A STROKE AND NEARLY DIED. SHE COULDN'T TURN ON THE TV.

SHE COULDN'T. I CALLED MY BROTHER AND SISTER AND SAID, WE MIGHT NEED TO SAY BYE TO MOM.

I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE.

ALL RIGHT. AND SO THIS THIS HITS CLOSE TO HOME.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE PUSHING US THIS ON US IF YOU ALL HAD THIS INFORMATION.

IT SAYS IN THIS, WHICH I HIGHLIGHTED FOR YOU ALL, AND I MADE A NOTE, IT SAYS THAT THIS WAS AVAILABLE TO REGULATORS, LICENSEES AND INTERNAL PEOPLE ONLY.

AND THIS WAS THE DOCUMENT THAT THE FEDERAL JUDGE ORDERED PFIZER TO RELEASE AND THAT THEY COULDN'T WITHHOLD THIS FROM US FOR 75 YEARS UNTIL

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THE FEDERAL JUDGE, THANK GOD, SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

AND SO YOU GUYS CAN GO THROUGH THIS.

I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THIS FOR YOU ALL, BUT THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW IS, NUMBER ONE, WE NEED OUR LOCAL LEADERSHIP.

NOT TELLING PEOPLE THAT THIS VACCINE IS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE.

IS BLUE, GREEN, BREAST MILK NORMAL? IF YOU HAD A CHILD, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE BREASTFEEDING, MS..

MCGUIRE, AND YOU HEARD SOMEONE SAY, MY BREAST MILK TURN BLUE, GREEN, ARE YOU TAKING THAT? ARE YOU IS THAT IS THAT NORMAL, MA'AM? THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL.

IF THE BABY DIED.

IF THE BABY DIED, IF YOUR BABY DIED, IS THAT IS THAT A SERIOUS EVENT YOU EVER MADE IT? I GOT IT. IS THAT A SERIOUS EVENT, MA'AM? IT IS. RIGHT.

AND SO PFIZER'S CONCLUSIONS, IF WE GO TO THE BACK OF THIS, THEY SAY NO SERIOUS EVENTS YET 28 BABIES DIED. WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, GUYS? ALL RIGHT. DO YOU WILL YOU OPEN WILL YOU ALL FORM A COMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE THIS STUFF? THAT'S MY MAIN QUESTION, BECAUSE WE NEED SOME WE NEED THE BEST INFORMATION.

THERE'S ONLY ONE REASON WHY YOU DON'T WANT THE BEST INFORMATION.

AND WHAT IS IT? BECAUSE YOU'RE SCARED OF WHAT IT SAYS AND WHAT IT IMPLIES.

OK DO WE WANT? WE WANT AS A PEOPLE, WE WANT THIS.

AND SO WILL YOU DO THIS FOR US, SIR? BECAUSE YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT CAN SUE THEM FOR US.

I DON'T HAVE STANDING TO DO IT.

SHOULD WE GO INTO WHY WE BOTH KNOW THAT I DON'T HAVE STANDING TO DO IT? AND THE 1000 PAGE FEDERAL LAWSUIT THAT PROVES THAT YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE A DUTY TO DEFEND US.

WHAT IS YOUR LAWYER CALL IT? HE CALL IT MYTHICAL YOUR DUTY TO DEFEND THE PUBLIC.

AND THAT'S SICK WHEN EVERYBODY IN THIS CROWD THINKS THAT YOU ALL HAVE A DUTY TO DEFEND US.

YOU DON'T GET TO APPEAL TO DECENCY ANYMORE.

I DON'T CARE. YOU DON'T GET TO APPEAL TO DECENCY ANYMORE.

IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, SO WILL Y'ALL FORM A COMMITTEE? THAT'S MY QUESTION.

I WANT AN ANSWER BEFORE I LEAVE.

AND IF YOU WANT ME TO GET OUT OF HERE BEFORE THAT, GO AHEAD AND PUSH ME OUT.

YEAH. WILL YOU FORM A COMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE OUR BREACH OF PEOPLE IN DENTON? THE STROKE OF MY MOM.

THANK YOU. FORM THAT COMMITTEE.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.

ALL RIGHT. SO JUST TAKE THIS AS CONSTRUCTIVE NOTICE FOR.

YES. WE DON'T.

I MEAN, THIS STUFF IS BROKE.

IT SHOULDN'T BE GOING ON.

I MAY JUST SIT UP HERE LIKE THE LAST GUY.

THIS. THANK YOU.

AND SO I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU, MISS GOLD.

I'M SORRY. I'LL CIRCLE BACK AROUND AND TAKE UP.

MR. DAVE SAUTNER.

GERARD. AND PARDON ME, PARDON ME, DR..

FORGIVE ME. BUT YES, IF YOU GIVE YOUR YOUR YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

SHIRLEY. SHIRLEY. YES.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF.

MY NAME IS DAVID ZELLNER.

I HAVE LIVED IN DENTON GOING ON 40 YEARS.

THE LAST 18 OR SO AT 2501 TIMBER TRAIL IN DISTRICT ONE.

I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME APPARENT CONFUSION OVER THE RULES OF DECORUM YOU HEARD EARLIER TONIGHT AND WHAT SOME CITIZENS MIGHT CONSIDER A MISS APPROPRIATE SPEECH DURING THE OPEN MIC PORTION OF THE CITIZENS REPORT.

TWICE DURING OUR RECENT CITY ELECTIONS, ONCE IN EARLY FEBRUARY AND AGAIN DURING THE FINAL WEEK OF THE CAMPAIGN.

A CANDIDATE FOR THIS CITY COUNCIL TOOK TO THIS VERY MICROPHONE TO DIRECTLY INSULT TWO SITTING MEMBERS BY NAME IN A FLAMING DISREGARD OF THE LOCAL DECORUM RULES.

EVEN WORSE, THAT PERSON THEN WENT ON TO FURTHER IMPUGN THE INTEGRITY OF THOSE SAME INDIVIDUALS WITH BASELESS ACCUSATIONS ACCUSATIONS OVER A MERE POLITICAL CARTOON.

AND WHO OWNS THE PRIVACY RIGHTS TO REPRINT THE NOTARY SEAL OF OUR CITY SECRETARY? NOW, THIS IS ALL WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE BY NOW.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. SO I'M NOT GOING TO WASTE ANOTHER SECOND ELABORATING OR SEEKING ANY ACCOUNTABILITY AFTER THE FACT.

BUT THERE ARE LARGER ISSUES AT STAKE CONCERNING FREE SPEECH, OPEN MEETINGS, ACT AND OUR LOCAL DECORUM RULES.

THE QUESTIONS I PROPOSE THAT BEG ANSWERING ARE FIRST, WHAT EXACTLY IS ALLOWED DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WHEN CONSIDERING FREE SPEECH VERSUS THE LOCAL DECORUM RULES?

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JUST A POLITE REMINDER, IF AND WHEN A SPEAKER MIGHT CROSS THE LINE AND NEED A POLITE TAP ON THE SHOULDER OR REMINDER BEFORE BEING ALLOWED TO FINISH THEIR 4 MINUTES.

WOULD IT BE OUR MAYOR OR CITY ATTORNEY, OR MAYBE EVEN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO COULD MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES BY VOTE TO SANCTION AN ABUSIVE SPEAKER IF NECESSARY? AND FINALLY, DOES AN OPEN MIC CATEGORY REQUIRE THAT CITY OFFICIALS REMAIN MUZZLED AND SIT QUIETLY LISTENING TO MISSTATEMENTS OF FACT OR CITY POLICY? OR DOES OUR OPEN MIC ALLOW PRIVILEGE RESERVED FOR SOME FOLKS WHO MIGHT CONSIDER THEMSELVES SPECIAL? OR MAYBE IT'S JUST TIME WE SCRAPPED THE DECORUM RULES ALTOGETHER AND JUST LET THE FIRST AMENDMENT FEARS TURN OUR PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION INTO BASICALLY A LOCAL JERRY SPRINGER SHOW.

BY ALL ACCOUNTS, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE WE MIGHT BE HEADED.

AND SO WITH THAT, I WILL SHUT UP AND ASK THIS COUNCIL OR STAFF TO KIND OF PROVIDE ME A LITTLE CLARITY ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FREE SPEECH AND WHAT THESE DECORUM RULES WILL ALLOW.

GOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR..

MR.. CITY ATTORNEY.

FAIR QUESTION. FREE SPEECH VERSUS DECORUM VERSUS CENSORSHIP.

WELL, APPRECIATE IT, MAYOR. MR. ZOLTAN AND I HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION LAST WEEK.

WE TALKED FOR A FEW MINUTES. AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOU MEETING YOU HERE TONIGHT.

A DIFFICULT BALANCE IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, WHICH IS, YES, THIS IS A PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION.

THERE IS AN OPEN MIC PORTION OF THE MEETING UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT THAT IS CONSIDERED FREE SPEECH AND IT IS A PUBLIC FORUM THAT MEANS THERE'S A LOT OF RIGHTS GIVEN TO INDIVIDUALS TO SPEAK, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO PUBLIC BUSINESS AND PUBLIC ITEMS. SO THERE'S A BALANCE ALSO THAT HAS TO BE SOUGHT.

THE CITY AND THE MAYOR SPECIFICALLY IS OFTENTIMES TASKED WITH MAKING SURE THIS MEETING IS RUN EFFICIENTLY, THAT PEOPLE GET ALONG AND BASICALLY JUST ACT CIVILLY TOWARDS ONE ANOTHER.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE RULES ARE THERE FOR.

AND SO WE'RE THE BALANCE IS WHERE THAT LINE IS BETWEEN.

THERE IS A DIFFICULT CHALLENGE.

I THINK THE MAYOR COMMENDABLY HAS ALWAYS FOUND A RIGHT BALANCE ON THAT.

THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS GOING TO TAKE PRIORITY OVER OUR RULES.

AND SO THERE MAY BE TIMES WHEN IT SOUNDS TERRIBLE.

SOMEONE MAY BE SAYING THINGS ABOUT A COUNCIL MEMBER AND WHAT THEY DO IN THEIR PUBLIC BUSINESS THAT'S GOING TO BE PROTECTED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

THE MAYOR, LIKE I SAY, HAS THIS HEADACHE OF TRYING TO FIND THAT THAT BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND PRESERVING ORDER AND PROTECTING PEOPLE'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S CONTENTIOUS OR THERE'S A CHALLENGE THAT IS DIFFICULT TO HANDLE.

SO, LIKE I SAY, WHEN IN DOUBT, I THINK THE MAYOR HAS CORRECTLY ERRED ON THE SIDE OF PROTECTING FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND ALLOWING FOR COMMENTS, ALLOWING FOR MORE SPEECH.

I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD BE COMMENDED TOO.

TO YOUR POINT ABOUT WHETHER COUNCIL CAN SPEAK BACK IF IT'S AN OPEN MIC, THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT REALLY PROHIBITS AND LIMITS WHAT COUNCIL CAN SPEAK AND WHAT THEY CAN SAY. SO IT'S AWKWARD MOMENT WHERE SOMEONE WILL SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL, ASK THEM QUESTIONS, AND THEY SAID THEY'RE SILENT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES.

I THINK THAT'S A FAIR POINT THAT EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW AND REALIZE IS THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ACTING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW WHEN THEY AREN'T SPEAKING, AND I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT TO SIT THERE, ESPECIALLY TO BE A COUNCIL MEMBER.

YOU KNOW, IT TAKES A LOT.

YOU PUT YOURSELF OUT THERE, YOU HAVE THINGS TO SAY AND TO SIT HERE IN SILENCE AND HAVE THICK SKIN AND LET PEOPLE JUST SAY THINGS THAT MAY NOT BE TRUE TO YOUR POINT, BUT THEY'RE ATTACKING YOU AND YOUR PUBLIC BUSINESS.

TO SIT HERE AND ALLOW THAT I THINK IS COMMENDABLE WITH THE COUNCIL.

SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S A FINE LINE THAT THERE'S NOT A CLEAR TEST OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE FREE SPEECH AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE OUTSIDE THE RULES OF THE PUBLIC DECORUM.

I THINK AS A GENERAL RULE, IF THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC BUSINESS, IF PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING, EVEN IF IT'S A PERSONAL ATTACK ON A COUNCIL MEMBER, IF THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY'RE PERFORMING AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND HOW THEY DO THEIR PUBLIC BUSINESS, THAT'S PROTECTED SPEECH.

NOW, IF THEY'RE JUST ATTACKING SOMEONE ON A PERSONAL LEVEL AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS, YEAH, I THINK THEY'VE CROSSED THE LINE.

BUT LIKE I SAY, IT'S I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL A LOT OF CREDIT FOR TRYING TO BALANCE THOSE INTERESTS ON THE FLY.

WE'VE GOT TEN OTHER THINGS I CAN SEE HERE GOING ON ON HIS DESK.

AND LIKE I SAY, I THINK HE'S ALWAYS AIRED ON THE SIDE OF PUBLIC THE PUBLIC SPEECH, THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT BALANCE TO STRIKE.

I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH YOU ON THE TELEPHONE ABOUT THIS.

AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING, BUT I'M ACTUALLY KIND OF MAKING A CIRCLE AROUND THAT PART OF THE VIDEO ABOUT PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT

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SO I'M MAKING KIND OF A WIDE ARC HERE AND TRYING TO NOT SPEAK NAMES, BUT OTHERWISE I THINK IT'S NOT JUST THE FREE SPEECH, IT'S THAT SPECIFIC PART OF THAT DECORUM MESSAGE THERE THAT THAT I'M HAVING KIND OF A PROBLEM WITH.

SO, ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MR. GORDON. AND THEN WE'LL TAKE UP MS..

GO. MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS RICHARD GLADDEN.

MY RESIDENCE ADDRESS IS 1822 WEST OAK HERE IN DENTON.

I'VE GOT A FLIER THAT I'VE HANDED OUT TO Y'ALL OR HAS TO BE DISTRIBUTED TO Y'ALL, AND I'LL SPEAK TO THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.

HERE WE GO. AS YOU KNOW, LATER ON IN YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT UNDER SECTION SEVEN G, YOU'RE GOING TO BE PERFORMING WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE CEREMONIAL TASK OF ACCEPTING A DETERMINATION BY YOUR CITY SECRETARY THAT A PETITION SUBMITTED BY DON DONALD DUFF IS SUFFICIENT FOR THE RECALL OF AN ELECTION TO REMOVE OR RECALL COUNCIL MEMBER MCGUIRE.

I KNOW, AND I'M SURE YOUR CITY ATTORNEY, OR AT LEAST I SUSPECT YOUR CITY ATTORNEY, HAS NOTIFIED YOU THAT LIKE MIKE PENCE WHEN HE WAS THERE TO CEREMONIOUSLY ACCEPT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTE, YOU AS COUNCIL MEMBERS UNDER OUR CITY CHARTER DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO OVERRIDE A DECISION MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL CONCERNING THIS MATTER UNDER OUR CITY CHARTER.

AND JUST LIKE MIKE PENCE, EVEN IF HE THOUGHT THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WAS CORRUPT, HE HAD NO AUTHORITY TO INTERFERE AND TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST ANNOUNCE THE OUTCOME.

WHAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN HERE IS ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION 14.13, WHICH IS A PROVISION THAT WAS RATIFIED BY THE VOTERS OF THE CITY OF DENTON IN JANUARY OF 1980 AND HASN'T CHANGED SINCE THEN.

AS YOU WILL LEARN LATER, IF YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW, YOUR CITY SECRETARY HAS INTERPRETED THE PETITION PRESENTED BY DONALD DUFF TO BE SUFFICIENT ON THE BASIS OF SIGNATURES OVER SIX AT OR ABOVE 673 FROM PEOPLE SIGNING FROM ROBSON RANCH. MY QUARREL, AND WHERE I SAY RESPECTFULLY TO MS..

RIVERS IS THAT SHE'S MADE A GRAVE ERROR.

AND THE REASON WHY SHE'S MADE A GRAVE ERROR IS, FIRST OF ALL, AS IT WAS REPORTED BY PEGGY HENKEL, WOLF, LAST NIGHT AND WILL BE BROADCAST ADDITIONALLY ON THE RADIO STATION SHE NOW WORKS FOR IN DENTON, THERE WERE 23 VOTERS THAT SIGNED THAT PETITION THAT WERE NOT FROM ROBSON RANCH OUT OF ABOUT 770.

SO THE KEY FACTOR IN THIS THING IS WHERE THE ROBSON RANCH VOTERS WHO DID NOT RESIDE IN FORMER DISTRICT FOUR ARE ELIGIBLE OR QUALIFIED TO SIGN THE RECALL PETITION.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST SENTENCE, THE PROVISION I'VE GOT ON THE SCREEN, IT SAYS WHETHER THE RECALL PETITION IS SIGNED BY QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE CONSTITUENCY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHOSE REMOVAL IS SOLVED EQUAL IN NUMBER TO AT LEAST 25% OF THE NUMBER OF VOTERS CAST FOR THAT COUNCIL MEMBER AND ALL HIS OR HER OPPONENTS AT THE LAST PRECEDING MUNICIPAL ELECTION.

IN THIS CASE, THE LAST PRECEDING MUNICIPAL ELECTION THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IN MAY OF 2021, WHERE COUNCIL MEMBER MCGUIRE WAS ELECTED FOR A TWO YEAR TERM.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND SENTENCE, WHICH I SUSPECT IS THE CONFUSION THAT CAUSED THE CONFUSION WITH MISS RIOS, IT REFERS TO THE CONSTITUENCY AND AS USED HEREIN, WHICH MEANS IN THAT FIRST SENTENCE AS BEING, IT SHALL MEAN THE QUALIFIED VOTERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHOSE REMOVAL IS SOUGHT EITHER BY A GEOGRAPHICAL DISTRICT OR AT LARGE, AS THE CASE MAY BE.

MISS RIOS IS INTERPRETED THAT TO MEAN A PRESENT TENSE BECAUSE THE WORDS WHO WERE OR WHO ARE WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT SECOND SENTENCE. BUT SHE INTERPRETS THAT TO CHANGE THE PAST TENSE IN THE FIRST SENTENCE BY NOT HAVING AN INDICATOR SHOWING WHETHER IT WAS INTENDED TO MEAN PRESENT OR FUTURE TENSE. SO MISS RIOS IS ALLOWING THE VOTERS IN DISTRICT THREE, FORMER DISTRICT THREE, THAT ELECTED MR. DAVIS TO SIGN A PETITION THAT WOULD RESULT IN A RECALL OF SOMEONE FROM A DIFFERENT DISTRICT THEY COULD NOT VOTE FOR AND NEVER HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE FOR.

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YEAH. IT EXPIRED.

I'M SORRY. THE BELL MAIL.

THIS CITY COUNCIL.

YOUR HANDS ARE TIED.

I WILL BE FILING A LAWSUIT TOMORROW, AND I DON'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY.

IT'S NOT A FRIVOLOUS THING.

BUT YOU'RE GOING TO DEPRIVE.

IF THIS RECALL PROCESS IS SUCCESSFUL, THE VOTERS IN DISTRICT FOUR WILL BE WITHOUT ANY COUNCIL MEMBER FROM NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR UNTIL MAY OF 2023. AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET SUED YOU.

GONNA LOSE, AND IT'S GOING TO COST YOU MORE.

I KNOW THE MAYOR IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE $40,000 YOU ALL SPENT ON DEFENDING YOURSELVES AGAINST THE INDICTED ATTORNEY GENERAL.

THIS IS GOING TO COST YOU FAR MORE THAN THAT.

SO. YOU? YEAH. YEP.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND IN THAT, THERE'S ONE MORE PUBLIC SPEAKER, MS..

ELIZABETH GOLD, PLEASE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

CIRCLE BACK AROUND IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

I CAN GIVE YOU YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES.

YOU GOT IT. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES. YOU MAY MOVE IT A LITTLE CLOSER JUST IN CASE.

YEAH. THERE YOU GO.

LET'S TRY THIS A LITTLE BETTER.

YES. OKAY.

MY NAME IS ELIZABETH GOLD.

I LIVE ON 1103 BERNARD STREET HERE IN TOWN.

AND I WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE MYSELF, LET YOU ALL KNOW WHAT MY BUSINESS IS ABOUT AND HOW I WANT TO GET BETTER CONNECTED HERE IN DENTON, TEXAS, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW.

AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, CAN YOU IMAGINE NOT BEING ASKED HOW YOU'RE DOING? BECAUSE EVERYONE ALWAYS THINK YOU'RE OK BECAUSE YOU LOVE TO SMILE.

CAN YOU IMAGINE DECIDING TO FOLLOW YOUR DREAMS EVEN IF NO ONE BELIEVES IN THEM WITH YOU? CAN YOU IMAGINE OVERCOMING DEPRESSION WITH A BROKEN HEART, WITHOUT A SUPPORT SYSTEM? WELL, I CAN.

MY NAME IS ELIZABETH GOLD, AND I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SPEAKING AT HER BEST.

I'M A CERTIFIED LIFE COACH.

I'M A PUBLIC SPEAKER AND AN AUTHOR ON THE TOPIC OF SELF LOVE.

I'VE WRITTEN A BOOK CALLED 31 BEST WAYS TO LOVE YOURSELF, AND I USE THIS BOOK AS A GUIDE TO HELP MY CLIENTS NAVIGATE THEIR DAY TO DAY LIVES.

MY MISSION STATEMENT IS TO DELIVER SUPERIOR LIFE COACHING SERVICES THAT EMPOWER EACH OF OUR CLIENTS TO GREET EACH DAY AT HER BEST, TO PORTRAY HER ULTIMATE LEVEL OF ESTEEM AND SPEAK CONFIDENTLY FROM HER DEEPEST SENSE OF SELF.

THREE THINGS ON WHAT I WANT YOU ALL TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN LOOKING OUT ON CHOOSING TO LOVE YOURSELF FIRST WOULD BE WHAT I CALL THREE C'S CRITICIZING, COMPARING AND COMPLAINING.

SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND, WHEN YOU CHOOSE TO LOVE YOURSELF FIRST, YOU ARE GOING TO BE JUDGED BECAUSE YOU'RE DECIDING TO PUT YOURSELF FIRST.

AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE HOW ELSE CAN YOU LEARN TO LOVE SOMEONE ELSE IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO LOVE YOURSELF FIRST? THE NEXT THING IS COMPARING.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO STAY MINDFUL, NOT TO COMPARE YOURSELF WHEN YOU'RE ON A JOURNEY OF SELF LOVE BECAUSE YOU'LL OFTEN FIND YOURSELF GETTING OFF TASK AND NOT CELEBRATING THE WINS FOR YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO BUSY LOOKING TO THE LEFT AND TOO BUSY LOOKING TO THE RIGHT.

COMPLAINING IS THE THIRD.

SEE THAT I'D WANT TO BRING UP IN THE JOURNEY OF SELF LOVE.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO NOT COMPLAIN BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT IT DOESN'T GET YOU ANYWHERE ANYHOW.

SO I WOULD TOTALLY SUGGEST THAT INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING, YOU'RE BASICALLY IMPLEMENTING WORDS THAT WILL HELP YOU TO STAY ON A POSITIVE JOURNEY FOR SELF LOVE.

AND TRY TO ENJOY THE PROCESS ALONG THE WAY ANYHOW.

I WANT TO LEAVE EACH OF YOU TODAY WITH ONE OF THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS IN MY BOOK ON 31 WAYS TO LOVE YOURSELF.

WITH THIS, THE WORST BATTLE YOU WILL EVER FIGHT IS BETWEEN WHAT YOU KNOW AND WHAT YOU FEEL.

DECIDE DAILY WHO YOU WANT TO BE AND BE IT.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'D LOVE TO SPEAK AND ENCOURAGE AND MOTIVATE STUDENTS.

SPEAK AT CHURCHES, SPEAK AT BUSINESSES, AND GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO TEACH THEM WAYS ON OVERCOMING HOW TO LOVE THEMSELVES IN CASE THEY DON'T ALREADY

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I APPRECIATE IT.

AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I ALWAYS HAVE MY BOOKS ON ME, AND YOU CAN ALWAYS FOLLOW ME TO LEARN MORE ABOUT ME AT SPEAKING AT HER BEST.

THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE THAT INFORMATION. IT'S GOOD.

THAT IS ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS TODAY THAT TAKES US TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

OH, AND NOTE THAT A AND DO WE NEED TO PULL THAT BACK AT THIS POINT OR IS IT OKAY.

GOT IT. SO AND THEN BEFORE THE MOTION, I'LL JUST NOTE THAT ITEMS FOR A F AND FOR AG WERE PULLED. THEY'LL COME BACK TO US AT OUR NEXT MEETING.

SO FOR F FOR FOR F FOR AG WON'T BE IN THIS VOTE.

THEY WILL COME BACK TO US ON AT OUR NEXT OR THEY'LL JUST COME BACK TO US WHEN THEY'RE READY.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION COUNT.

MAYOR PRO TEM, I'M I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ACCEPTING ITEMS D, A F AND AG COUNCILWOMAN MCGEE SECOND OF THIS.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

ANY DISCUSSION C AND THEN LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THAT WILL TAKE US TO ITEM DX.

[D. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton authorizing the City Manager to execute an Interlocal Agreement between the City of Denton and Denton Independent School District (DISD) for the widening of Riney Road as an addendum to the Bonnie Brae Phase 6 Project, for which funds will provided for by DISD.]

IT'S AN I'LL CALL THE ITEM.

IT'S ID 22953.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE IT.

AND IN A LOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON AND DENTON INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR A WIDENING OF RONNIE ROAD, AND AS AN ADDENDUM TO THE BONNIE BRAY PHASE SIX PROJECT FOR WHICH FUNDS WILL BE PROVIDED FOR BY DISD.

THERE IS NO PRESENTATION, SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

MAYOR PRO TEM, I MOVE APPROVAL.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN BURKE.

SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER.

BYRD. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING? NONE. LET'S VOTE ON A SCREEN.

IN THAT PASSES 4205050.

SORRY, SOMEONE'S MISSING.

I'M MISSING. NO, I'M NOT.

NO, NOTHING IS MISSING.

I DON'T KNOW WHY. I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT AGAIN.

CAN WE REVOTE THAT? YEAH. THE PRO TEM DID IT.

IT ALL HAPPENED SO FAST.

YEAH, WE'LL DO IT.

YOU GUYS NEED. I'M TRYING TO.

O MAYOR PRO TEM, ARE WE GOING TO REVOTE THAT AGAIN? THAT FEELS LIKE IT WAS MESSED UP.

I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I ASK.

YEAH. SORRY.

JUST A SECOND.

OK PASSED 505202 ABSTENTIONS.

THERE WE GO. OK.

THAT TAKES US TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

WE'LL LET THEM REJOIN. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE.

SO THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS I'LL CALL THAT ITEM AND IT'S ID TWO TO 8 TO 9 HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING INVITING

[A. Hold a public hearing inviting citizens to comment on the 2022 Action Plan for Housing and Community Development.]

[03:00:02]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. MY NAME IS LUISA GARCIA WITH THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

I'M HERE TO PROVIDE JUST A QUICK PRESENTATION BEFORE OPENING UP THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.

CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME JUST FINE? YES. OKAY, GREAT.

AS A RECIPIENT OF CDBG FUNDS, WE ARE REQUIRED BY THE US DEPARTMENT OF.

TO COMPLETE A CONSOLIDATED PLAN AND AN ANNUAL ACTION PLAN.

THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN IS REQUIRED EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS.

AS PART OF THAT CONSOLIDATED PLAN, WE'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO COMPLETE AN ANNUAL ACTION PLAN THAT IS DEVELOPED.

IT TALKS ABOUT THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY, WHAT RESOURCES WE HAVE AVAILABLE, AND HOW THE FUNDS WILL BE EXPENDED IN THE NEXT YEAR.

THE CITY IS ALSO REQUIRED TO CONDUCT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT CONSULTATIONS, NOT ONLY WITH CITIZENS BUT WITH OUR ORGANIZATIONS, JUST TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE AND HOW THE FUNDS SHOULD BE SPENT ON A REGULAR BASIS.

WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE SECOND YEAR RIGHT NOW OR A CONSOLIDATED PLAN, AND WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TODAY AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS THE THIRD AND FINAL UNDER THE 2020, THE 2022 CONSOLIDATED PLAN.

THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHEN WE COMPLETED THE 2022 CONSOLIDATED PLAN, THERE WAS A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT STRATEGIES.

AND THE LAST COLUMN I WANTED TO REFER TO YOU, THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS I'M SORRY, THOSE ARE THE GOALS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE 2022 CONSOLIDATED PLAN, AN ACTION PLAN.

WE ALSO WANTED TO GIVE YOU JUST AN INDICATION OF THE FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE 2223 ACTION PLAN.

THE FIRST COLUMN TALKS ABOUT THE FUNDING SOURCE, WHETHER IT'S COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.

THE SECOND COLUMN TALKS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAN ANY SET ASIDE FOR ADMINISTRATION AND THEN THE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO THE COMMITTEE FOR ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TELL THAT BETWEEN HOME AND CDBG, WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER $1.5 MILLION.

THE CITY OF DAYTON'S PROGRAM YEAR STARTS OCTOBER 1ST.

SO THE STEPS IN FRONT OF YOU IS WHAT IS REQUIRED IN US FOR US TO BE ABLE TO START OUR PROGRAM HERE.

AS OF OCTOBER 1ST, EVERYTHING FROM OUR 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD ENDING JUNE THE 28TH TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE'RE HAVING ON JUNE THE SEVENTH TO WILL BE PRESENTING IT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION ON JULY THE 19TH FOR UNDER CONSENT AGENDA TO US SUBMITTING IT TO CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 1ST AND ALSO WHEN WE'RE EXPECTING HER TO PROVIDE US APPROVAL ON THOSE FUNDS.

AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT OUR CITIZENS CAN PROVIDE COMMENTS.

OUR COMMENT PERIOD ENDS JUNE THE 28TH, SO CITIZENS AND ORGANIZATIONS CAN EMAIL US.

THEIR COMMENTS CAN GIVE US A PHONE CALL, FACTS, INFORMATION, EMAIL.

THERE'S ALSO A WEB FORM AT THAT LINK.

AND ALSO TODAY AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE'LL BE TAKING CITIZEN COMMENTS OR ORGANIZATIONS ON THE 22 2022 ACTION PLAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IS A FAX MACHINE LOADED WITH THERMAL PAPER? THANK YOU. I'M WORKING HARD OVER HERE.

THESE ARE THE JOKES. ALL RIGHT, SO IT'S OPEN.

IT'S AN OPEN, OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.

SO IF THERE'S ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO SO.

YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A BLUE FORM AFTERWARDS.

A BLUE ANYONE.

SO I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND SO THERE'S NOTHING FOR US TO DO AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

YES. PLEASE CONTACT HIM.

IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.

THE FEEDBACK IS APPRECIATED.

THEN I WILL OPEN AND CLOSE OR CONTINUE TO PUBLIC.

SO I'M GOING TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE NEXT ITEM WHICH IS SE 22000 TO BE AND THAT IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING OR

[B. Hold a public hearing and consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding a request by Terrano Realty, Inc. for a Specific Use Permit to allow for a Multifamily Dwelling Use on approximately 11.891 acres of land, generally located on the east side of Woodrow Lane, approximately 1,365 feet south of East McKinney Street, in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas. THE ITEM HAS BEEN POSTPONED TO THE JUNE 28, 2022 CITY COUNCIL MEETING (S22-0002b, Pathway Woodrow Lane Multifamily, Julie Wyatt)]

[03:05:02]

SO THAT'S OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING.

ALL RIGHT. AND THAT TAKES US TO OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ITEM C AND THAT'S Z 20 10017B, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND

[C. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding a change in the zoning district and use classification from Residential Rural (RR) District to Planned Development (PD) District with a Light Industrial (LI) base zone on approximately 311.5 acres of land generally located on the northeast corner of Hampton Road and Masch Branch Road in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s Official Zoning Map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [4-2] to recommend denial of the initial request to rezone to Light Industrial (LI) (Z21-0017b, RM Squared Denton Tract, Tina Firgens).]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO DON'T FORGET.

THANK YOU. THAT WORKS, TOO.

SO GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL.

TINA FIGGINS. I'M THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

AND IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THIS ZONING CASE ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING TEAM.

SO THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 311 ACRES OF PROPERTY FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS ITS CURRENT ZONING CLASSIFICATION, TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITH A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BASE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE USES AND STANDARDS.

THE PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF HAMPTON ROAD AND MARSH BRANCH ROAD.

GIVEN THE WAY THE PROPERTIES CONFIGURATION HERE, IF YOU CAN SEE THIS AERIAL IMAGE AND THE CURSOR WHERE I'M POINTING TO THE PROPERTY HAS THIS LITTLE TAILPIECE, BUT OTHERWISE IT'S ABOUT ROUGHLY 280 FEET NORTH OF HAMPTON.

BUT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ILLUSTRATED IN THE YELLOW OUTLINE ON THAT PARTICULAR AREA, ON THIS PARTICULAR AERIAL GRAPHIC, THE PROPERTY, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS GRAPHIC, IS PRIMARILY UNDEVELOPED. THERE ARE FOUR ACTIVE GAS WELL SITES ON THE PROPERTY.

THE APPLICANT'S INTENTION IS TO HAVE THREE OF THOSE GAS WELLS PLUGGED SO THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER OPERATIONAL.

ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY SHOULD THE ZONING REQUEST BE APPROVED.

THE GRAPHIC THAT'S ON THE LOWER RIGHT CORNER SHOWS PROPOSED ZONING ALONG WITH THE EXISTING ZONING.

SO YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, WEST AND SOUTH THAT ARE SHADED GREEN THAT ARE THIS RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

WE HAVE SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING TO THE NORTHEAST THAT SHADED IN BLUE AND THEN ALSO SOME GENERAL OFFICE ZONING.

THAT'S FOR THE PROPERTY THAT'S TO THE EAST, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WHICH IS THIS GRAPHIC THAT'S HERE ON THE LEFT THAT'S LABELED THE DENTON 2040 GRAPHIC.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS AREA RECOMMENDS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

SO THIS REQUEST TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY TO THE TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITH LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BASED ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

YOU'LL NOTICE THAT ON THIS PARTICULAR GRAPHIC GRAPHIC THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AREA, THIS IS THE RANCH ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF UNIVERSITY DRIVE.

AND I BELIEVE WE PROBABLY HAVE SEVERAL RESIDENTS IN ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING REGARDING THE ZONING CASE REPRESENTED BY THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY OF THE ZONING AND HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

AS WE EXPLAINED IN THIS REPORT, THE ORIGINAL REQUEST THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT WAS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

THE APPLICANT WAS PURSUING THE STRAIGHT LINE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT ZONING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM SOME FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR CURRENT LINE INDUSTRIAL USES AND STANDARDS AS THE APPLICANT CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND AS THIS CASE MADE IT THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THERE WERE ACTUALLY TWO MEETINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

THERE WAS MUCH CONCERN EXPRESSED WITH WITH RESPECT TO THE STRAIGHT LINE ZONING DISTRICT REQUEST.

SOME MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION EVEN EXPRESSED AT THEIR FIRST DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC THAT THIS WOULD BE AN.

APPROPRIATE PROPERTY FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

HOWEVER, AT THE TIME, THE APPLICANT WAS STILL WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A STRAIGHT LINE REQUEST.

THE RESULT OF THE THE OUTCOME WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ENDED UP BEING THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THE REQUEST TO FOR THE STRAIGHT LINE ZONING DISTRICT.

THEY RECOMMENDED DENIAL 4 TO 1 OR EXCUSE ME, 4 TO 2 WITH RESPECT TO THAT.

FOLLOWING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION OF THE REQUEST, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAD WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE APPLICANT CAME BACK AND REQUESTED TO BE ABLE TO MODIFY THEIR ZONING REQUEST AND TO BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH SOME MORE RESTRICTIVE CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR ZONING.

THEY, IN COOPERATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, INCREASED THEIR THEIR LANDSCAPE BUFFER REQUIREMENT.

AND SEE IF I CAN POINT TO THIS.

IF YOU CAN SEE ON THIS GRAPHIC WHERE MY ARROW IS, THIS CROSSHATCH AREA HERE, NORMALLY UNDER THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE, A 35 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER WOULD BE REQUIRED HERE, BUT THEY INCREASED THAT DEPTH AN ADDITIONAL 50 FEET FOR A TOTAL OF 85 FEET.

THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL ENHANCED LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THAT AREA, AND I'LL ILLUSTRATE THAT HERE ON THE ATTACHED PLAN IN JUST A MOMENT.

IN ADDITION, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CONCERNED REGARDING THE BUILDING HEIGHT WITHIN PROXIMITY.

AND SO WHAT THEY DID IS, AGAIN, WE FIND MY CURSOR.

THERE IT IS. SO THIS AREA HERE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS DASHED LINE SO FROM THIS POINT TO HERE IS ROUGHLY IT'S 365 FEET.

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OTHERWISE, THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT DOES ALLOW FOR A MUCH TALLER BUILDING HEIGHTS.

BUT AGAIN, THEY WERE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO THE SOUTH AND ANY CONCERNS REGARDING BUILDING HEIGHTS.

FURTHERMORE, THE APPLICANT AGREED TO PROHIBIT ANY ACCESS TO HAMPTON ROAD UNDER ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION IN ALIGNMENT WITH HAMPTON AND MARSH BRANCH.

THE ONE EXCEPTION IS THE EXISTING GAS WELL SITE THAT'S REMAIN ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION THAT IS IN THIS AREA HERE.

THERE IS AN EXISTING DRIVE THAT SERVICES THAT GAS WALL, SO THEY NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO RETAIN THAT ACCESS.

BUT OTHERWISE ACCESS FOR THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT COME FROM HAMPTON ROAD.

AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO MARSH BRANCH TO ENCOURAGE THE TRUCKS TO BE ABLE TO USE THE THE MARSH BRANCH ROAD.

AND I SHOULD SAY PART OF THE REASON WHY THEY'RE REQUESTING THE THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITH THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING REQUEST IS TO BE ABLE TO DO A WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION DEVELOPMENT ON THE ON THIS SITE.

AND ONE ADDITIONAL ITEM I SHOULD NOTE THAT I DON'T HAVE NOTED HERE ON THE SLIDE IS ONE OF THE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAD MADE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THAT'S REFLECTIVE IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS HERE IS THAT ANY LOADING DOCK DOORS FOR THE SOUTHERNMOST BUILDINGS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO FACE TOWARDS THAT 85 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER. SO THAT IN TURN PUTS ALL OF THOSE LOADING EXCUSE ME, ALL OF THOSE LOADING OPERATIONS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SOUTHERNMOST BUILDING AND MINIMIZING ANY POTENTIAL VIEWS ASSOCIATED WITH LOADING OPERATIONS.

SO AS A RESULT OF THESE ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS THAT THEY INCLUDED OR RESTRICTIVE CONDITIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WE FOUND THAT SEVERAL OF THE RESIDENTS CHANGED THEIR POSITION WITH RESPECT TO THE REQUEST AND BEING MORE FAVORABLE FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE PROPOSED PLAN DEVELOPMENT REQUESTS DO ADDRESS SEVERAL OF THE THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ALSO, WE FIND THAT THE ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS THAT WERE PUT FORTH IN PLACE WERE ALSO MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S COMMENTS.

THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION REGARDING THE CONCERN REGARDING THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

HOWEVER, THERE WAS NO DIRECTION GIVEN REGARDING LIMITING ANY OF THOSE USES AND THE IS NOT PROPOSING TO DO SO.

ADDITIONALLY, THE THE THE PLANNING, AS I MENTIONED, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FELT OR AT LEAST ONE COMMISSIONER COMMENTED THAT A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED FROM FROM THE START FOR THIS.

THE OTHER THING I'LL POINT OUT IS YOU'LL SEE THIS NOTE THAT I HAVE IN GREEN THIS IS THE GREEN SHADED AREA IS NOT PART OF THIS REQUEST.

SO THAT IS THIS AREA THAT'S ILLUSTRATED HERE.

SO INITIALLY, WHEN THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT THIS REQUEST, THAT AREA WAS NOT INCLUDED.

THEIR INITIAL THOUGHT WAS, WELL, WE'LL KEEP THE ARE ZONING.

THERE IS ROUGHLY 280 FEET IN DEPTH.

AND THEN THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT BUFFER FROM THE RANCH ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THAT AREA IS NOT PART OF THE PLAN.

DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT BOUNDARIES, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THE 311 ACRES IS WHAT IS SHADED IN BLUE ON THIS PARTICULAR MAP.

SO WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU MIGHT RECEIVE DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TALKING ABOUT THE THE ADDITIONAL BUFFER OR THE OPEN SPACE THAT IS PRESUMABLY GOING TO BE SOLD TO A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES.

THAT LAND IS NOT WITHIN THIS AREA OF REQUEST, SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT AND FROM THE MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED.

SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WITHIN THAT 85 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AREA, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DO SOME EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING ENHANCEMENTS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE PROVIDED FOR IN THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SO THIS EXHIBIT IS A WILL IS INCLUDED AS PART OF THE PROPOSED PLANT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ORDINANCE AND OF PARTICULAR NOTE.

SO THE AGAIN, LET ME FIND MY CURSOR.

SO MY CURSOR IS RIGHT NOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT IS ON THIS EXISTING TREE GROVE.

AGAIN, THIS AREA HERE.

THERE IT GOES. THIS AREA HERE IS ALL OUTSIDE THE AREA OF THE REQUEST.

THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES FOR THE ZONING REQUEST IS THIS LINE THAT COMES ALONG IN THIS DIRECTION.

SO ALL OF THE LANDSCAPE ENHANCEMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE 85 FOOT BUFFER INCLUDED HERE IS PROPOSED TO BE A COMBINATION OF BURNING AS WELL AS QUITE A BIT OF EVERGREEN TREES BEING PLANTED ALONG THROUGH THERE, AS WELL AS MIXING IN SOME BEING A COMBINATION OF EASTERN RED CEDAR, SOME LIVE OAK CANOPIES.

ALSO THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO SUBSTITUTE SOME VARIETIES THAT ARE CONSISTENT SO THAT WE CAN SHOW THAT WE HAVE DIVERSITY WITHIN THAT LANDSCAPING BUFFER.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO PLANT SOME ADDITIONAL TREES THAT ARE NOTED HERE AS WELL AS ALL ALONG THIS AREA.

NOW, THESE TREES HERE ARE OUTSIDE OF THE AREA OF REQUEST.

SO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT DOES NOT PIN DOWN THE THE APPLICANT IN PROVIDING FOR.

SO THAT'S A COMMITMENT THAT THEY'VE MADE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS NOT ABLE TO ENFORCE BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE THE AREA REQUEST.

I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL TODAY FROM THE APPLICANT EXPLAINING TO ME THAT THEY HAVE GONE AHEAD AND ALREADY PLANTED THESE TREES THAT ARE ALONG THIS AREA HERE.

SO AGAIN, THEY'RE TRYING TO FULFILL THEIR COMMITMENT AS STAFF UNDERSTANDS IT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THIS EXHIBIT WILL BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE ORDINANCE SHOULD THE COUNCIL BE INCLINED TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST THIS EVENING?

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SO THE REQUEST THAT'S BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DENTON 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE PLAN RECOMMENDS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES FOR THIS AREA.

AND SO THEREFORE THE REQUEST TO REZONE THIS TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITH THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BASE ZONING DISTRICT AND STANDARDS IS CONSISTENT.

THE DEVELOPMENT WILL COMPLY WITH ANY OF THE DDC REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE, AS WELL AS ALL OF OUR TECHNICAL MANUALS AT SUCH POINT IN TIME WHEN THEY COME FORTH FOR DEVELOPMENT. SHOULD THIS REQUEST BE APPROVED THIS EVENING? AND THEN ALSO, AS I MENTIONED, THIS WILL MAKE THIS REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE 2040 CONFERENCE OF PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS.

IN TERMS OF PUBLIC OUTREACH, WE DID DO OUR STANDARD REQUIREMENTS FOR NOTIFYING THE RESIDENTIAL OR EXCUSE ME FOR NOTIFYING ALL OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS FROM IN TERMS OF WRITTEN RESPONSES RECEIVE WE DO HAVE THREE RESPONSES RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST AS WELL AS FOUR THAT WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR.

AND THOSE WERE INCLUDED AS PART OF YOUR PACKET MEETINGS OR EXCUSE ME, YOUR PACKET MATERIALS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS ARE LISTED HERE THAT STAFF WAS AWARE OF.

IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING SOME ADDITIONAL MEETINGS TOOK PLACE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AFTER CONSIDERATION OF THE REQUEST BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON MAY 11TH, AND THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS THAT IN MORE DETAIL.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO THAT EFFECT, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST.

WE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE ORIGINAL STRAIGHT LY REZONING REQUEST BECAUSE IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN.

WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IS ALSO A MUCH BETTER PLAN THAN THE STRAIGHT LINE ZONING AND WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AS WELL. KEEP IN MIND, WHEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CONSIDERED THIS REQUEST BACK ON MAY 11TH, THEY DID RECOMMEND DENIAL BY A VOTE OF 4 TO 2 BECAUSE AT THAT TIME THAT REQUEST WAS FOR STRAIGHT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

THEREFORE, IF COUNCIL IS INCLINED TO APPROVE THIS REZONING THIS EVENING, A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE IS REQUIRED BY COUNCIL IN ORDER TO APPROVE IT.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL.

OKAY, SO LET'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE THE PRESENTATION.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND FEEL FREE TO PUNT THIS ONE TO THE APPLICANT IF YOU NEED TO.

BUT CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THERE GOES CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE COMMENT ON THE SLIDE THAT HAMPTON ACCESS MAY BE PERMISSIBLE AT SOME FUTURE TIME? AND CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REALIGNMENT OF OF MARSH BRANCH WOULD BE SUCH THAT THAT HAMPTON ACCESS ACROSS THAT GREEN SPACE WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE AT SOME FUTURE TIME.

SO HAMPTON ROAD LONGER TERM WILL EVENTUALLY BE IMPROVED ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IT IS TODAY.

AND WHEN THAT OCCURS, THE ALIGNMENT IS GOING TO CHANGE.

AND SO MY BRANCH WILL COME IN TO INTO HAMPTON, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

AND SO RIGHT NOW THE THE WAY THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS STRUCTURED IS THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE ACCESS TO HAMPTON ROAD, BUT ONCE THAT REALIGNMENT OCCURS IN THOSE ROADS ARE IMPROVED, THEN THE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THEN COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE ACCESS TO HAMPTON ROAD, PROVIDED IT MEETS ALL THE SPACING AND REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME.

I DON'T KNOW, IT'S NOT HAD OR IT HAS NOT BEEN PROGRAMED.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WITH RESPECT TO HAMPTON ROAD AND WHEN THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD OCCUR.

SO IT'S SOME TIME INTO THE FUTURE.

AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ANY EXISTING DRIVES THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG THAT ROAD TO ENSURE SPACING IS CORRECT AND WHAT HAVE YOU IN LOOKING AT THE ALIGNMENT.

SO HENCE WHY THE WAY THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS STRUCTURED, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS FROM THAT.

CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND, THOUGH, I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW YOUR CURSOR THERE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AND I UNDERSTAND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REALIGNMENT OF MARSH BRANCH.

AND ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE ACCESS TO HAMPTON ROAD FROM THE PROPERTY WOULD BE IN THAT BLUE TAIL AREA? OR ARE YOU MOVING THE CURSOR ACROSS THE GREEN AND THAT AT SOME FUTURE DATE I'M LEAVING THE OWNERSHIP OF THE GREEN SECTION TO THE SIDE OF THE DIFFERENT QUESTION.

SO BECAUSE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DOES HAVE FRONTAGE ON HAMPTON ROAD, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE PROPERTY COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE ACCESS TO HAMPTON.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S THE WAY THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS STRUCTURED THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE PLACE UNTIL THE REALIGNMENT OF MARSH BRANCH IN HAMPTON IS ADDRESSED IN IT'S CONSTRUCTED. SO WE TRIED TO PUT PROTECTIONS IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT THE THAT THE PROPERTY COULD NOT TAKE ACCESS FROM HAMPTON ROAD GIVEN HOW IT'S CONFIGURED TODAY.

BUT ONCE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE DONE AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN THE FUTURE, THEN THE PROPERTY COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE THAT ACCESS.

SURE. AND I'M FINE IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO ADDRESS THAT, IF THERE'S A SITE PLAN OR SOMETHING.

BUT MY QUESTION WAS JUST REALLY THAT CONDITION AND HOW AND YOU'VE ANSWERED THAT HOW THAT CONDITION IS IS TRIGGERED AND HOW THAT'S HOW THAT'S WORDED IN THE P.D.. SCOTT, ANYTHING FOR THAT? I DON'T NEED TO ADD.

I THINK MAYBE HIS PRESENTATION WILL SHED SOME LIGHT ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME FORWARD.

SO IT MAY BE VALUABLE TO TO TO GO AHEAD AND HEAR THAT PRESENTATION.

THEN HE'S GOT SOME EXHIBITS THAT HE COULD EXPLAIN THROUGH IF NECESSARY.

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SO HE'LL HEAR THE QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS CAN MAKE THAT INTO HIS PRESENTATION.

AND SO COUNCILMAN WATTS, ACTUALLY, IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT ONE THING, AND SO SEEING THIS GRAPHIC REMINDED ME INCLUDED WITHIN YOUR PACKET, CAN WE HAVE THESE, DR.

MCNAMARA, IS ARE THEY ABLE TO.

EXCELLENT. SO YOU CAN SEE ON THIS GRAPHIC, THIS IS INCLUDED IN YOUR POCKET FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.

THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT PLAN THAT ILLUSTRATES HOW THE PROPERTY COULD COULD POTENTIALLY BE DEVELOPED.

SO YOU CAN SEE IT ILLUSTRATES HERE WITH THE REALIGNMENT OF HAMPTON COMING ACROSS THROUGH THERE AND THEN MASH BRANCH WOULD COME UP FROM THE SOUTH AND T INTO HAMPTON.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE APPLICANT IS LIKE WANTING TO HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO HAVE IN THE FUTURE IS THE DRIVE CONNECTION COMING DOWN FROM THE SOUTH AND BEING ABLE TO ALIGN WITH THE INTERSECTION OF WHERE MASH BRANCH OR EXCUSE ME THE DRIVE COMING DOWN FROM THE NORTH, BEING ABLE TO ALIGN WITH MASH BRANCH COMING UP FROM THE SOUTH AT THAT LOCATION.

SO PICTURE SAYS 1000 WORDS.

YEAH. COUNCILMAN WATTS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

YOU HAD STATED THAT YOU HAD STATED ABOUT THIS ALIGNMENT.

WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT.

WAS THIS A QUESTION OR AN ISSUE THAT WAS PRESENTED EITHER AT THE PLANNING ZONING COMMITTEE COMMISSION MEETING AND OR WAS ADDRESSED AT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS? THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS IS BECAUSE I THINK AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, IT WAS JUST A SORT OF A CONFLUENCE OF THE PERFECT STORM.

WE'VE GOT A PD TYPICALLY, WE'VE PUT OVERLAYS ON ZONING DISTRICTS.

THAT'S HOW WE DID. THAT'S HOW WE DID THE RESTRICTIONS.

WHEREAS NOW IT'S PD.

IT WAS A DESIRE MAYBE TO NOT DO THAT.

OR IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT INFORMATION AT PLANNING ZONING, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT ANY NEW INFORMATION TODAY OR TONIGHT THAT THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE TALKED ABOUT I MEAN, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE SUPPORTED IT OR WERE OPPOSED TO IT? WELL, I'VE GOTTEN MANY MORE EMAILS THAN FOUR IN SUPPORT FOR IT.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S GOT ALL THE SAME INFORMATION TONIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S CRITICAL, I THINK, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

SO AND SO MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT WITH THIS PD, THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS ON THE USES.

THAT IS THAT IS CORRECT.

SO WITH THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, IT WILL HAVE THE LIGHT AND THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THE LEED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

RIGHT. SO THAT WAS NOT CHANGED.

AND AND THAT THAT'S BEEN THE SAME WAY EVER SINCE THIS PROJECT WAS SORT OF BORN.

THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR QUESTIONS TO KIND OF GET OUT IN ADVANCE OF THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION SO THAT THEY CAN ANSWER THOSE DURING THEIR PRESENTATION? SAM NUNN.

THEN THE AFRICAN COME DOWN, THEY'LL HAVE 20 MINUTES.

OKAY. YOU CAN USE THE ARROWS.

AND THEN MR. CITY ATTORNEY CORRECT ME ON THE REBUTTAL PROCESS, JUST AH, EDUCATE ME ON THAT SO THE CITIZENS WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK AND THEN THERE'S A REBUTTAL.

AM I RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO AFTER THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, IT WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

THERE WILL BE A REBUTTAL OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT.

AND THEN THERE'S ACTUALLY A SECOND REBUTTAL FOR THE PUBLIC.

ANYBODY THAT CAME UP INITIALLY FROM THE PUBLIC AND SPOKE WILL ALSO HAVE A CHANCE TO COME UP FOR A SECOND REBUTTAL.

GREAT. OKAY.

SO JUST SO THOSE TRACKING ALONG, THEY WOULD WISH TO SPEAK.

THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE 20 MINUTES.

THEY'LL DO THEIR PRESENTATION.

THEN THERE'S WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEN THE APPLICANT CAN THEN ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS IN A REBUTTAL FORMAT.

AND THEN CITIZENS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AGAIN TO CONCLUDE THAT PORTION, AND THEN WE'LL DELIBERATE AND MOVE FORWARD THAT WAY. SO.

MR. BAILEY RAMSEY 525 SOUTH LOOP 288 HERE IN DENTON.

AND JUST BEFORE I GET STARTED, I'LL TELL YOU, THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN A HAS BEEN A LEARNING PROCESS.

I'VE BEEN THROUGH THESE PROCESSES MANY, MANY TIMES.

BUT THIS PROCESS IS PROBABLY CHANGED HOW I LOOK AT THIS PROCESS OVERALL, ESPECIALLY AS NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS GO.

WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND I'VE MADE SOME LIFELONG FRIENDS ACTUALLY THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AND I HOPE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL FEEL THE SAME WAY.

AND SMITH AND JUST MANY, MANY PEOPLE FROM RANCH STATES THAT I'VE GOT TO WORK WITH THROUGH THIS.

AND I ACTUALLY LEARNED SOME POINTS OF VIEW THAT I WILL TAKE WITH ME FOR FUTURE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, AND I WANT TO THANK CITY STAFF ALSO.

THIS PROJECT IS A HUGE PROJECT FOR THE CITY OF DENTON.

CITY STAFF TOOK IT VERY SERIOUSLY, HELD ACCOUNTABLE WHERE WHERE THEY FELT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT, BUT HELP THIS PROCESS THROUGH.

THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE FEW PROJECTS OVER THE YEARS THAT I'VE WORKED ON OUT OF HUNDREDS OF PROJECTS WHERE EVERYBODY CAME TOGETHER AND REALLY MADE A PROJECT GET TO THIS

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PRETTY SPECIAL. AND MY TEAM.

I'M A LITTLE BIASED, BUT I FEEL LIKE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN COMMUNICATION AND I'M VERY, VERY PROUD OF MY TEAM.

NOW THAT THE GRAMMYS ARE OVER, LET ME LET ME GET TO JUST I'VE GOT A PRESENTATION HERE, BUT I DO WANT TO JUST ANSWER THE QUICK QUESTION ON THE ACCESS ISSUE.

THE ONLY REASON THAT WORDING IS IN THERE.

THE CAMERA, THE DOCUMENT CAMERA, YOUR LITTLE POINT, RIGHT? SO IF YOU NOTICE THAT THIS CORNER SECTION RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE FUTURE ALIGNMENT OF HAMPTON ROADS, WHICH WE'VE TALKED TO, CITY ENGINEERING.

THEY SAY THIS THING IS WAY DOWN THE ROAD.

WE'VE TALKED TO PRE TIM.

WE'VE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS AROUND THIS.

BUT IF THAT EVER DOES COME THROUGH AT SOME POINT, THIS IS HOW HAMPTON ROAD WILL COME IN AND MOSS BRANCH WILL HAVE TO MAKE A CONNECTION RIGHT HERE, AND THIS PIECE OF MOSS BRANCH WILL PROBABLY GO AWAY.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WE WORDED THAT THE WAY WE DID WAS JUST TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS CONNECTION SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.

IF THAT ROAD'S EVER BUILT BECAUSE WE'RE LEAVING ALL OF THIS, ARE THERE CAN THERE WILL NEVER BE AN ACCESS FROM THIS POINT DOWN.

BUT JUST WE DIDN'T WANT TO LOCK OUT THE WHOLE THING IF IT EVER HAPPENED IN THE FUTURE THAT WE COULDN'T GET THIS INTERSECTION MADE BECAUSE THE PD SAID THERE WAS NO ACCESS TO HAMPTON ROAD AT THAT POINT.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, BEFORE I JUMP INTO MY PRESENTATION, I'D LIKE TO DO THAT.

SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US AND HOLDINGS BASED HERE OUT OF DENTON AND BRANDON MARTINO AND I, OUR BUSINESS PARTNERS, WE BOTH ARE FROM HERE.

WE STARTED A BUSINESS HERE IN 2007 AND STARTED AWESOME HOLDINGS IN 2013.

WE'VE DONE MULTIPLE DEVELOPMENTS AROUND DENTON, WORKED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF DENTON IN MANY TIMES IN DIFFERENT PROJECTS.

WE'RE PROUD THAT TO BE FROM HERE.

WE'RE PROUD OUR OFFICES ARE HERE IN DENTON, SO WE CONTINUE TO CONTINUE TO DO BUSINESS HERE AND EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT JUST TO COMMUNITY SUPPORT.

WE'RE VERY INVOLVED IN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY.

THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE THINGS WE SPONSOR AND SUPPORT THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF DENTON.

THIS IS JUST A QUICK SCHEDULE.

I WON'T BELABOR THIS, BUT WE HAD MULTIPLE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.

WE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH RESIDENTS.

AND AGAIN, I JUST CAN'T SAY ENOUGH OF WHAT I'VE LEARNED PERSONALLY AS A DEVELOPER THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS MANY TIMES, BUT THROUGH RANCH ESTATES BEING ESTABLISHED, NEIGHBORHOOD, I'VE TRULY LEARNED A LOT ON HOW I TAKE MY NEXT APPROACH TO MY FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, WHAT I WHAT I'LL THINK THE NEXT TIME I GO THROUGH THIS.

AND IT'S BEEN A GREAT PROCESS AND THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A LIST.

WE HAD A SUBCOMMITTEE OF A LANDSCAPE TEAM WHICH CAME IN AND LOOKED AT HOW THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS GOING TO LOOK ONCE WE DECIDED TO DO THE PD.

SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY ENJOYABLE.

OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT THERE, A CIVIL ENGINEER THERE, AND WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE BUFFERS.

I WON'T BELABOR YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE THE SITE IS, SO I WON'T WASTE YOUR TIME GOING BACK THROUGH THAT.

THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN WHICH YOU GUYS SEE.

IT'S ALL LIE AROUND THE WHOLE SITE.

THIS IS ONE THAT I DID WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT.

SO WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM DAY ONE.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE WAS SOME THINGS WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT WHICH I'LL TAKE AWAY WITH ME AS FAR AS A 6 TO 8 FOOT BERM AND A LANDSCAPE SCREENING WALL ON TOP OF THAT, WHICH I GOT SOME IDEAS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS FAR AS WHAT TYPE OF TREES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

BUT IF YOU NOTICE, THIS IS WHAT WE ORIGINALLY WHEN WE PROPOSED THE PROJECT, WE'RE LEAVING AS A LANDSCAPE BUFFER, WHICH IS ABOUT 27 ACRES.

AND BECAUSE WE'RE LEAVING THAT ARE THE ACCESS THROUGH THAT A PRIVATE DRIVE.

THE CITY HAS MADE A RULING ON OTHER PROJECTS.

I CAN'T HAVE A PRIVATE DRIVE THROUGH ONE ZONING TYPE TO ANOTHER ZONING TYPE.

I'VE BEEN DENIED THAT ON A COUPLE OF OTHER PROJECTS, SO THAT WAS ONE WAY THAT I COULD LIMIT ACCESS HERE.

ANOTHER THING IS IN OUR ZONING, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BUILDING LIMITATIONS THAT COULD FOREVER HOLD THAT.

WE'VE ALSO COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH AUSTIN BAKER, WHICH LIVES AROUND HERE, A VERBAL AGREEMENT THAT TO PURCHASE THIS THIS 27 ACRES AND PUT A WE'LL PUT A DEED RESTRICTION ON THAT FOR 25 YEARS THAT NOTHING CAN BE BUILT THERE EXCEPT CATTLE.

THAT'S SOMETHING I HEARD FROM THE NOT BUILT CATTLE, BUT HALF CATTLE AND HAY PRODUCTION ON THAT.

NOW THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE PD, BUT THAT IS AN AGREEMENT THAT THAT WE'VE COME TOGETHER WITH.

WE'LL PUT IT WE'RE GOING TO PUT A DEED RESTRICTION ON IT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS FOR FOR 25 YEARS TO HELP THAT ACCESS.

ALSO, AGAIN, THAT'S OUT.

THAT'S NOT A DECISION YOU GUYS ARE MAKING TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO DO.

IF YOU NOTICE ON THIS TO THIS, THIS SHOWS THE 85 FOOT BUFFER ALONG HERE.

THIS IS ALSO A FLOODPLAIN, WHICH I HAVE A LITTLE BETTER EXHIBIT IN A MINUTE TO REVIEW THAT.

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HOW CAN WE HELP PROTECT RANCH ESTATES? SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN THIS COLOR IS CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL.

SO IT WAS SURROUNDING RANCH ESTATES AND OUR TEAM SAID, OKAY, IF WE'RE GOING TO COME IN HERE AND FILL THIS, FILL THIS IN, HOW DO WE AT LEAST MAKE SURE WE HAVE A BUFFER BETWEEN THERE THE DARK THESE.

THIS COLOR USES ARE THINGS THAT COULD VERY WELL POTENTIALLY BECOME COMMERCIAL IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

AND THEN THESE AREAS, SOME OF THESE AREAS ARE ALREADY BEING USED AS COMMERCIAL USES, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE THEY ARE MAYBE ZONED ARE THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN, USES THE COUNTY YARD.

THERE'S AN EROSION CONTROL BUSINESS HERE AND RV STORAGE HERE.

SO THAT'S WHY WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT, WE SAID, LET'S LET'S GIVE THE 27 ACRES AS A BUFFER SO THAT AS IT DEVELOPS TO THE NORTH, IT HELPS SUPPORT THAT AT LEAST. THIS IS ANOTHER EXHIBIT WE PUT TOGETHER.

THIS WAS JUST AN INTERNAL THING WE PUT TOGETHER TO GO, OKAY, WHAT PERCENTAGE? SO RANCH ESTATES IS APPROXIMATELY.

MY NUMBERS COULD BE OFF BY FIVE ACRES.

SOBA IS APPROXIMATELY 166 ACRES FOR WHAT WE'RE LEAVING IN OUR ZONING WITH THE FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION AND THE GREEN OR THE WHAT I CALL THE GREENSPACE AREA.

IT'S TOTAL OF 34 ACRES, WHICH YOU'LL SEE HERE.

THAT'S WHAT'S STAYING IN OUR ZONING.

THAT'S ABOUT 20% OF THE OVERALL AREA OF RANCH ESTATES AND THIS IS FLOODPLAIN RIGHT HERE IN THIS SECTION.

SO IF YOU COUNT THIS FLOODPLAIN IN THIS POND, THE ARE AND KIND OF THE NATURAL BUFFER THAT'S IN PLACE IS ABOUT 33% OF THE ACREAGE OF RANCH ESTATES THAT WE'RE LEAVING AS A BUFFER.

THE CITY ACTUALLY WOULDN'T IF OUR LINE WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE ROAD, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY BUFFER REQUIRED AT ALL.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU LOOKED AT BRIEFLY.

SOME THINGS TO NOTE ON THIS SITE PLAN.

WE DID A RENDERING OF WHAT THE BUFFER WOULD LOOK LIKE THEY DAY ONE AND FROM SOME DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEWS.

SO THIS IS POINT, A POINT OF VIEW.

YOU KIND OF SEE THAT WE TRIED TO SIMULATE THE BEST AS WE COULD AS THE TREES PLANTED DAY ONE.

AND THEN THIS IS KIND OF THE MIDDLE SECTION.

THESE ARE EXISTING TREES AND VIEW SEE AS YOU'LL SEE VIEW C AND VIEW A, THERE'S A COUPLE OF GAPS IS WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW TO FILL IN THESE GAPS AND BUFFER THAT THIS WOULD BE A RENDERING OF FULL GROWTH.

THIS IS DONE BY OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OF ONCE THOSE AREAS ARE FULLY GROWN AND THOSE TREES.

SO WE WANTED TO TRY TO REPRESENT WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE.

DAY ONE IT WAS PLANTED.

AND THEN WHAT? BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO SHOW A RENDERING AND SAY, OH, THIS WAS GOING TO BE YEAH.

WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT'S ALL GROWN.

SO WE TRY TO HANDLE THAT EXPECTATION AHEAD OF TIME.

THIS IS THE EXHIBIT THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN SOMETHING TO DISCUSS ABOUT THIS EXHIBIT IN THE PD.

THIS LANDSCAPE BUFFER HERE IS SOMETHING WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT, THIS LANDSCAPE BUFFER HERE.

THIS IS MORE CEDARS, THE PLANTINGS AROUND THIS POND AND THEN THIS LANDSCAPE, CEDAR TREE PLANTINGS ALONG HERE.

THIS WAS NOT IN THE PD.

AND BUT WE HAVE ALREADY PLANTED THESE TREES ALONG THIS THIS SIDE.

THIS IS VERY THICK WITH MESQUITE TREES AND A LOT OF THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH I THINK WILL EVENTUALLY GET CLEANED UP A LITTLE BIT.

BUT THESE TREES ARE PLANTED.

THESE TREES HAVE NOT BEEN PLANTED.

I TALKED TO MY LANDSCAPE GUYS AND THEY RECOMMENDED WE WAIT TILL THE FALL TO PLANT THOSE LIVE OAKS OR THOSE SOLID TREES SO THOSE WILL BE PLANTED IN THE FUTURE.

AGAIN, THOSE ARE NOT PART OF THE PD, BUT WE ARE PREPARED TO PLANT THOSE AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DID PUT THESE IN JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE CEDAR TREES.

MY LANDSCAPE COMPANY FELT LIKE THOSE WOULD SURVIVE THROUGH THE SUMMER WITHOUT WITHOUT DYING.

THIS WAS I GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF.

THIS WAS THE EXHIBIT OF WHAT'S BEEN PLANTED AND WHAT'S TO BE PLANTED.

I TOOK JUST A FEW PICTURES OF SOME ANGLES OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE WITH WITHOUT ANYTHING.

AND SO IF YOU NOTICE, THIS IS MOSS BRANCH, THIS IS HAMPTON ROAD.

THIS IS A PICTURE TAKEN.

THIS IS A LITTLE BIT FAR THIS WAY.

IT'S ACTUALLY TAKEN RIGHT ABOUT WHERE THAT ARROW IS.

SO THAT'S LOOKING BACK.

IF YOU NOTICE, THERE'S THERE'S TWO LINES OF TREES.

THERE'S KIND OF TREES ALONG THE ROAD AND THEN ANOTHER BUFFER OF TREES.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WE LEFT THAT IN OUR ZONING TO SAVE THAT STAND OF TREES ALONG THERE.

AND SO THIS IS KIND OF LOOKING BACK THAT DIRECTION.

THERE'S AN OPEN SPACE HERE WHERE I'M STANDING, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN A SECOND, IS THE AREA THAT WE'RE FILLING THE GAP IN WITH THOSE WITH THOSE OTHER TREES.

BUT IT KIND OF HAS A NATURAL BUFFER ALREADY THERE.

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I BELIEVE THIS IS FROM YOUR DRIVEWAY HERE.

SO THIS IS WHAT I WANTED TO LOOK AT CLOSELY.

WE TOOK THREE PICTURES.

LOOKING BACK THIS WAY, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S WHERE IT WAS.

THERE'S A GAP RIGHT HERE.

THERE'S AN OPENING, ESPECIALLY IF YOU TURN THE CORNER AND LOOK BACK HERE.

SO WE'LL PAY CLOSE ATTENTION IN THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER OF WHAT THAT IS LOOKING STRAIGHT OUT.

YEAH, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE FILL IN AND THEN HERE THIS IS A GOOD STAND OF TREES ALONG HERE.

AND THEN YOU'LL ALSO HAVE A 6 TO 8 FOOT BUFFER BEHIND THAT WITH CEDAR TREES ON TOP OF IT.

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER SIDE LOOKING DOWN HAMPTON ROAD.

THIS IS FROM THE FROM THE DRIVE HERE, LOOKING STRAIGHT AHEAD.

THOSE TREES ARE PRETTY SOLID, NATURAL SET THERE.

THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE ROADWAY HERE.

TWO WAYS YOU CAN NOTICE THIS AREA IS ANOTHER LITTLE GAP THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GET FILLED IN HERE.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE BERM WILL BE BACK HERE.

AND WITH THE CEDAR TREES AND THE OTHER TREES WILL BE IN FRONT THAT WE'RE GOING TO PLANT THERE.

THIS IS JUST LOOKING BACK THE OTHER WAY TOWARD THE GAS.

WELL, AND THEN THIS IS FROM THIS STREET THAT TIES IN AT THIS END.

AGAIN, THIS IS IN THE.

PRETTY THICK AREA DOWN THROUGH HERE, LOOKING BACK UP TOWARD WHERE THE BUILDINGS WILL BE.

THIS IS JUST LOOKING STRAIGHT AHEAD DOWN TOWARD THE BEHIND THE POND.

AND THEN THIS IS STANDING AT THE VERY END OF THE SITE, LOOKING BACK TOWARD TOWARD THE SITE.

AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE ARE CEDAR TREES.

I WOULDN'T SAY THEY'RE QUALITY TREES, BUT BEHIND THOSE ALONG THE FLOODPLAIN AREA, THERE ARE SOME LARGER TREES.

THIS IS SOMETHING I JUST WANT TO SHOW.

THIS ISN'T SOMETHING I DWELL ON A LOT DURING THESE PRESENTATIONS, BUT ON THIS SIZE OF PROJECT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTALS OF ONCE THIS PROJECT'S BUILT OUT, WHAT THE TOTAL REVENUES, THE TAX VALUES ARE GOING TO BE.

IF YOU LOOK AT TEN AT AN ANNUAL REVENUE, THE CITY OF DENTON, THE TAX REVENUES ABOUT 1.6 MILLION ANNUALLY.

DENTON COUNTY'S ABOUT 670.

ISDS ABOUT 3.9 MILLION.

IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS OVER TEN YEARS, YOU CAN SEE AFTER FULLY BUILT OUT AND THIS IS AT $89 A FOOT PUTTING A VALUE ON THESE BUILDINGS.

AND I DIDN'T TAKE ANY INFLATION VALUE ON THIS AND I DIDN'T TAKE ANY PERSONAL PROPERTY VALUE.

SO I FEEL LIKE I WAS REALLY CONSERVATIVE WITHIN THESE NUMBERS.

I TRIED NOT TO OVER INFLATE ANYTHING.

TRY TO BE VERY CONSERVATIVE.

YOU LOOK AT A TEN YEAR, IT'S ABOUT 16 MILLION, 6 MILLION IN THE COUNTY AND 39 MILLION TO THE ISD.

BUT OVER 30 YEARS, ONCE THIS PROJECT IS BUILT OUT, THIS IS WHAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION.

IT'S ABOUT $117 MILLION TO DENTON ISD, WHICH IS A GAME CHANGER FOR THIS SIZE OF COMMUNITY, FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, THAT THAT'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL AND ADDING DEMAND ON ON SCHOOLS AT A HIGH LEVEL, IT WILL CREATE JOBS.

SO THERE WILL BE SOME DEMAND, BUT NOT NOT LIKE A SUBDIVISION.

SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

AND THIS IS A HUGE IMPACT FOR FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

SO TO GO THROUGH THIS, THE KIND OF A QUICK CHECKBOX.

SO WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY A YEAR AGO.

SO THIS PROJECT'S BEEN A YEAR IN THE MAKING, PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE.

A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY AND ESSA STUDY HAS BEEN DONE AND APPROVED BY THE CITY.

IT FOLLOWS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

CITY STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL CREATED A NEED FOR THE P AND Z REQUEST.

THE MAIN NOT TO BELABOR ON THAT, BUT THE MAIN REASON WAS WE REALLY NEEDED THE LAB BASED ZONING.

ONCE I REALIZED WE COULD COME IN AND PUT ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS ON TOP OF THAT WITH APD, THAT'S WHY WE SAID, LET'S GO GET THAT DONE.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT MET EVERYBODY'S GOALS, LONG TERM PROTECTION WITH RANCH ESTATES, WITH THE WITH THE ZONING, WITH THE BUFFER, WITH THE 85 FOOT BUFFER.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE A MAJORITY OF NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT.

WE'VE HAD GREAT FEEDBACK FROM FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE HAVE RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPERS, LONG TERM TAX REVENUE FOR DENTON ISD, THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, AND IT'S GOING TO PROMOTE JOB GROWTH THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION AND I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS.

AND JUST AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY, YOU GUYS, FOR BEING AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILY.

AND MANY OF YOU GUYS TOOK TIME OUT OF YOUR DAY TO CALL, TO ASK, TO EMAIL.

SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING PART OF THIS TEAM TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS DONE ALSO.

GOT A FEW QUESTIONS. COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, LEE.

AND YOUR TEAM FOR THE TIME YOU SPENT THE TIME ON THE PROJECT AND THE TIME YOU SPENT BEFORE WE EVEN SAT DOWN, YOU YOU'D OBVIOUSLY YOUR WHOLE TEAM HAD OBVIOUSLY PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT AND CARE INTO IT.

AND THEN TO SEE THAT PLAN GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROCESS WAS WAS REALLY SOMETHING I MEAN JUST WILL SHOW YOU HOW TO GET IT DONE RIGHT AND THE FACT THAT YOU'RE STANDING HERE WITH WITH A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH A VERY ENGAGED COMMUNITY AND IS IMPROVED FROM THAT PROCESS, THAT SAYS A

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DISTRICT THREE VERY PROUD OF MY FOLKS, BUT ALSO PROUD OF THE PRODUCT THAT CAME OUT OF THAT COLLABORATION.

MY QUESTION IS ABOUT, AND I THINK IF YOU HAVE IT'S OUR EXHIBIT SEVEN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT A SLIDE THAT IS THE CONCEPT PLAN.

IT'S WHAT YOU HAD UP ON THE DOCUMENT CAMERA EARLIER.

AND I COULD SPEND SOME TIME TALKING ABOUT ALL THE THINGS I LIKE ABOUT THE PROJECT, NOT JUST THE TAX REVENUE, BUT ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE IMPROVED.

IF WE COULD ZOOM IN JUST A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.

WELL WELL, THIS ONE DOESN'T THAT ONE DOESN'T HAVE HAMPTON ROAD HERE.

I WAS JUST USING THIS FOR THE EXHIBIT.

IS IT POSSIBLE FOR STAFF TO PROVIDE OUR EXHIBIT SEVEN? WHAT WE'VE GOT IS EXHIBIT SEVEN BACK UP.

IT SHOWS THAT HAMPTON ROAD ALIGNMENT.

YEAH, HE HAS IT RIGHT.

OH, THAT WAS THE NEW HAMPTON ROAD ALIGNMENT.

OH YEAH. THAT WAS THAT. THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS.

YEAH. THIS BACK UP HERE JUST WHATEVER THE QUICKEST, EASIEST WAY TO.

YEAH. HE HAS IT. IF WE CAN GET THE DOCUMENT CAMERA WE'RE READY.

YEAH. IT'S RIGHT HERE.

WELL NO. CAN YOU ZOOM IN.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT SHOWS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE.

IT'S MAYBE JUST TOO LIGHT FOR ME TO MAKE OUT THIS DISTANCE.

THERE WE GO. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

SO THE THE REMAINING QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE FROM NEIGHBORS AND FOR MYSELF, FOR THE PROJECT IS NOT YOU.

IT'S FUTURE AND FUTURE GENERATION GENERATED TRAFFIC FROM THE PROJECT IN FUTURE GENERATED TRAFFIC FROM JUST A PROJECT OF THAT NATURE BEING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CONNECTIVITY THAT COMES FROM THERE.

AND THEN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THE FUTURE WHEN, WHEN WE START PUTTING IN ROADS.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE REALLY CLEAR, IF YOU CAN ANSWER FOR ME, THAT ALIGNMENT OF HAMPTON ROAD, THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS PROVIDED TO YOU AS YOU'RE WORKING UP THE THE PROJECT OR IS THAT ALIGNMENT IS SOMETHING THE ENGINEERS HAVE INDICATED IS PROBABLE.

CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW WE END UP WITH THAT, THAT ALIGNMENT DRAWN OUT THAT WAY? SURE. IN DISCUSSIONS WITH PRE TEAM THIS I'M GOING TO POINT AND TALK WITH THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE IS PRETTY PRETTY MUCH IF THIS IS EVER BUILT THIS WOULD BE BUILT.

THIS INTERSECTION IS NOT THAT'S JUST A CONCEPT OF HOW THAT COULD TIE TOGETHER.

THAT'S THERE'S NOTHING FIXED IN STONE ON THAT AND AGAIN I WOULD SAY PRE TIM AND IF HE'S HERE HE WOULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THIS HE SAID THERE'S THAT'S A LONG WAY DOWN THE ROAD FOR FOR THAT TO EVER HAPPEN.

SO WE JUST DID WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE IF IT TIED IN EVER IN THE FUTURE.

BUT THIS PIECE WOULD BE POSSIBLY WHAT THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION WOULD BE, SURE.

BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE PD IF WE WERE TO APPROVE IT THAT WOULD PREVENT A FUTURE ENGINEERING STAFF OR FUTURE CITY COUNCIL FOR SEEKING A RIGHT OF WAY.

THAT IS, I'LL SAY, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT RR PARCEL.

SO LEAVING HAMPTON, CURRENT HAMPTON WHERE IT IS AND RUNNING NEW NEW WINDSOR REALLY THAT COMES ACROSS THE HIGHWAY ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF YOUR IN THE RR PARCEL, BUT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF YOUR PROJECT, NOT COINCIDENT WITH HAMPTON.

SO A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL COULD DO THAT.

THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THIS PD THAT LOCKS US INTO NEW HAMPTON IS GOING TO BE FOUR LANES WIDE AND IT'S GOT TO TIE IN TO THE NEW WINDSOR.

WE COULD WE CAN MOVE THAT ALIGNMENT LATER IF WE WANT TO.

THAT IS CORRECT. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE PD THAT SAYS THAT'S THE WAY IT HAS TO BE.

GOOD DEAL. THANK YOU. CUSTOMER.

WHAT'S. THANK YOU, LEE, FOR THE PRESENTATION.

AND I'LL SAY MY COMMENTS ABOUT HOW I THINK THE PROCESS HAS WORKED TO THIS POINT THAT HAS BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL TO EVERYBODY.

REFRESH MY MEMORY AS IT STANDS.

WHERE IS THE ACCESS COMING INTO YOUR PROJECT? SO THIS ISN'T SET IN STONE UNTIL THE PLOTTING GOING HAD A CAMERA.

THERE WE GO UNTIL THE PLOTTING GETS FINALIZED.

BUT RIGHT NOW, WE CURRENTLY SAY IN THE PD THERE CAN'T BE ANY ACCESS TO HAMPTON ROAD.

SO THIS IS A PROPOSED CONNECTION OF WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE.

AGAIN, THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT IN STONE UNTIL THE PLANNING PROCESS FINISHES ITS ITS WAY AND HOW THOSE ACCESS EASEMENTS ALL BEING GIVEN.

BUT THIS IS PRELIMINARILY WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH PRE TOMB.

SO GIVEN THE POTENTIAL PLOTTING SCENARIO, YOU'RE SAYING THOUGH NO MATTER WHAT THE SCENARIO IS, THERE'S NOT ACCESS OFF OF HAMPTON AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS. IT WILL HAVE.

IS THAT MOSH BRANCH JUST COMING UP TO THE WEST SIDE, RIGHT.

SO WHEREVER IT COMES IN THERE INTO YOUR SITE, IT STILL COMING OFF MOCHE BRANCH? IT'S NOT COMING OFF.

YES, SIR. AND THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PD.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN WHERE'S THE WHERE IS THAT WESTERN PROPERTY LINE OF THE RR THAT'S REMAINING THAT SOMEBODY HAD A LOT OF

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LET ME FIND. THIS IS THE SEA HERE.

YEAH. IF WE GO TO THIS EXHIBIT, IT IS RUNS ALONG HERE.

THIS IS ALL RR.

SO THIS IS GOES OVER TO PD AND IT GOES RIGHT HERE.

SO IT'S THAT DOTTED IS THAT DOTTED LINE? YES, SIR. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. AND IT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY TO THE EAST SIDE OF MS..

BRANCH. NO, IT ACTUALLY CUTS BACK.

LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND A DIFFERENT.

HE KIND OF CUTS BACK LIKE THIS.

THIS EXHIBIT ISN'T REALLY FOR THAT, BUT THAT IT CUTS BACK LIKE THIS HERE.

THAT'S SO IF THAT FUTURE ALIGNMENT EVER COMES IN THAT WE CAN GET THAT ALIGNMENT MADE THROUGH THERE.

ALL RIGHT. SO YOU STILL WOULDN'T BE GOING THROUGH THAT.

OUR OUR ZONING, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU'RE PROHIBITED FROM DOING.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

AND THAT'S FOR A PRIVATE ACCESS FOR OUR THANKS.

OK MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY STAFF AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE PERFECT FIGURE BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE USING YOUR LINE OF SITES AND YOUR ADDITIONAL TREES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PLANT IN THAT AGRICULTURAL BUFFER.

IT SEEMS LIKE FROM COUNCILOR DAVIS AND COUNCILOR WATSON'S DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE ALIGNMENT AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY ON YOU, IT'S ON US, BUT YOU'RE PUTTING IN TREES RIGHT NOW OR YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT IN TREES OUTSIDE THE PD, MIND YOU, BUT TO PROTECT LINE OF SIGHT WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY A FUTURE EXPANSION OF HAMPTON.

AND I GUESS THAT THIS MAY BE A STAFF QUESTION, BUT IF THAT'S IF THAT OUTLOOK IS SORT OF FIVE ISH YEARS AWAY, I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S GOOD.

THAT'S FIVE YEARS OF SIDELINE PROTECTION.

BUT I SORT OF FEEL LIKE WE'RE PUTTING IN TREES AND TAKING THEM BACK OUT.

AND THAT'S THAT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING.

I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A DEVELOPER DO THAT NECESSARILY.

THERE'S THERE'S NO PLAN THAT'S THAT ALIGNMENT REALLY IS COMING OUT OF THE MOBILITY PLAN.

SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUDGETED.

THERE IS SOME CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN AT WINDSOR 935 AND THAT REALLY IS KIND OF WHAT WE DID WITH THE MOBILITY PLAN.

SO WE HAVE NO WE HAVE NO CAPITAL PROJECT SCHEDULE THERE SLATED TO MAKE THOSE ENHANCEMENTS.

THE PRIMARY FOCUS IS GOING TO BE THE WINDSOR INTERCHANGE AND THEN EVERYTHING EAST ON WINDSOR.

SO NOTHING, NOTHING AS OF TODAY, LIKE ANY OTHER PARCEL OR PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE, PEOPLE PLANTING TREES OR BUILDING BUILDINGS ON.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING. NONE WILL TAKE THE THE SPEAKERS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, GUYS.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

WHAT DO I. WHAT DID I MISS? OH, OKAY.

YOU SURE? OC SORRY.

OC THEN AND SMITH LAST? SURE. THANK YOU. JIM OUT.

YEAH. PR SORRY.

OH, YEAH. WE GOT TO.

GOT TO STAY AWAKE SOMEHOW.

SORRY. I'M JUST. GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR WORK AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT THIS PROJECT IN PARTICULAR.

SORRY, I THINK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

CAN WE RESET THAT? SORRY, I DID THAT WRONG.

SO IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

I'M SORRY. SORRY. I'M JUST SO FAMILIAR.

MY NAME IS JIM PEROT, AND MY WIFE, PEGGY, AND I LIVE AT 3801 HAMPTON.

WE'VE LIVED IN RANCH ESTATES FOR OVER 45 YEARS, SO WE'VE BEEN AROUND A BIT.

AND I THOUGHT ONE WAY I COULD START IS TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BAKERS AND WHAT SUCH A WONDERFUL PARTNER THEY'VE BEEN WITH US FOR THE PAST 30, 40 YEARS.

AG BAKER AND HIS WIFE, NANCY, WHO HAVE NOW PASSED AWAY, WOULD ALWAYS LOOK TO THE COMMUNITY FIRST, WHETHER AND WE HAD THIS WONDERFUL AREA TO THE EAST AND TO THE NORTH THAT ALL BELONGED TO THE BAKERS, AND IT WAS RESIDENTIAL.

AND THOSE OF US THAT ARE IN RANCH ESTATES REALLY WERE APPRECIATIVE OF HAVING THAT CONTINUED COUNTRY AIR AT ONE TIME.

NOT ONLY DID AG AND HIS WIFE NANCY LIVE IN RANCHO ESTATES, THEIR FOUR ADULT CHILDREN LIVED IN RANCH ESTATE AS WELL.

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THIS IS NOT OUR FIRST RODEO.

IN THE PAST 40 YEARS, THERE'S BEEN AN ATTEMPT TO PUT AN ASPHALT PLANT THAT WAS RIGHT TO THE THE WEST OF RANCH ESTATES, AND TOGETHER THE COMMUNITY ROSE UP AND DEMONSTRATED THAT THAT WOULD NOT WORK IN OUR AREA. THEN WE HAD A PROPOSED MODULAR HOUSING AREA RIGHT ACROSS THE TRAIN TRACK, BUT WITHIN A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET FROM SOME OF OUR PROPERTIES.

AND THERE WAS OBJECTIONS TO THAT.

AND THEN WE HAD A MORE RECENTLY A SMALL HOUSING, KIND OF A HIGH DENSITY RENTAL PROPERTIES, AND THE COMMUNITY OPPOSED THAT.

AND THAT DIDN'T COME TO YOU BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUALS LISTENED TO OUR OBJECTIONS AND THEY DECIDED THIS WAS NOT THE PLACE THEY WANTED TO PUT THEIR FACILITY. WE'RE SUPPORTIVE BECAUSE WE HAVE A COMPANY THAT'S COME IN AND REALLY BENT OVER BACKWARDS TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD.

AND IT'S IT'S BEEN A EYE OPENING EXPERIENCE FOR A LOT OF US, AND WE'VE ENJOYED IT NOT ALWAYS TO THE SAME LEVEL BASED UPON WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT, BUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS IT WAS NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO BEING UNANIMOUS SUPPORT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY OPPOSITION TO THAT, THE VAST MAJORITY OF OF THE RESIDENTS SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERING IT AND WE ASK YOUR SUPPORT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.

AND THAT TAKES US TO JESSICA FARR.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

THANK YOU. YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES. THANK YOU.

OKAY. HI, EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS JESSICA FARR.

MY ADDRESS IS 1919 NORTH LAFAYETTE DRIVE.

AND I LIVE IN RICH ESTATES.

I WILL KEEP MY COMMENTS HERE BRIEF TONIGHT, BUT I DO APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME AND CONSIDERATION OF THIS MATTER.

I AM A NEWER RESIDENT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I DO WANT TO KIND OF LET OUR MORE TENURED RESIDENTS SPEAK MORE ROUNDLY ON THIS SUBJECT.

BUT I DO WANT TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT.

I KNOW I'VE SENT MULTIPLE EMAILS AND MADE COMMENTS, SO I THINK MANY OF YOU REPLIED, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

ONE THING I JUST WANTED TO STATE IS JUST A SECOND THING.

WHAT MR. PEROT MENTIONED HERE.

I DON'T THINK THERE COULD BE A BETTER PARTNER IN THIS PROCESS THAN ORSON HOLDINGS, AND THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY A PRIVATE COMPANY.

AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE MET WITH THEM FOR MONTHS, AS WE SAW IN THE EXHIBITS.

IT'S BEEN A HUGE COMMITMENT OF TIME, NOT JUST FROM PERSON HOLDINGS, BUT ALSO, AGAIN, THE RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU'VE HAD MULTIPLE COMMITTEES.

I WOULD SAY HERE THAT I DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT WITH THE FINDINGS OF P AND Z IN THE SENSE THAT I FEEL THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW EXISTED IN THE CONCEPT PLAN.

I THINK THE PAD, AS WE'VE SEEN, THE PD, AS WE'VE SEEN, DOES NOT PROTECT US FROM THE THE ROAD.

THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT HERE TONIGHT, THAT'S THAT'S A PLAN FROM THE CITY.

BUT BUT THAT BEING SAID, I HOPE THAT THAT THIS COUNCIL DOES DOES CONSIDER ACCEPTING THIS PROPOSAL.

I THINK WE AGAIN, WE WOULD NOT END UP WITH A BETTER PARTNER IF THIS WAS TO BE DENIED.

AND WE ENDED UP ON ANOTHER SIDE OF A DIFFERENT COMPANY, A DIFFERENT PLAN HERE TODAY.

I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT, AS MR. PEROT MENTIONED AND AS AS THE DISCUSSION SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER, THIS HAS BEEN PRIVATE LAND OWNED BY A FAMILY FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.

AND DESPITE THAT BEING PRIVATE LAND, THE CITY PLAN FOR 2040 WAS TO REZONE THIS FROM OUR ARCH ALLY.

SO THIS MEETS IN THE PLAN AND THEY WILL SAY, I HAVE MAYBE I JUST MISSED THE MEMO OR MISSED THE DISCUSSIONS, BUT I HAVE NOT HAD ANYBODY ELSE KNOCK ON MY DOOR ASKING TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF TREES AND 80 FOOT BERMS AND COMPLETELY CONCEAL ANYTHING FROM US.

AS FAR AS ALL OF THE OTHER LIE ZONED AREAS AROUND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WE ARE LITERALLY SURROUNDED.

SO I DO RESPECTFULLY HOPE THAT YOU DO CONSIDER THIS PROPOSAL.

[03:55:03]

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

THEN, TOBY AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT WRONG.

OKAY. I'M GONNA LISTEN CLOSELY.

SO IF YOU GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES.

SURE. TOBY CARCANO 4115 HAMPTON ROAD, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE THE VERY FAR WEST HOUSE ON HAMPTON, WHICH IS NEAR THE THE LITTLE CROOK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE FOUR FOUR HAMPTON ROAD BEING MAYBE REDESIGNED.

I HOPE NOT. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WANT TO FOCUS ON TONIGHT.

I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY SAID.

AWESOME HOLDINGS HAS BEEN REALLY GREAT TO WORK WITH.

VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THEM EXCEPT, YOU KNOW, WE HE KEEPS COMING OUT AROUND MY HOUSE AND TAKING PICTURES AND NEVER STOPPING IN.

NO, COME ON, NOW.

BUT ANYWAYS, I SENT YOU GUYS AN EMAIL EARLIER TODAY.

I KNOW YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO READ IT, BUT I WANTED TO FOCUS ON KIND OF WHAT HAPPENS ONCE THESE BUILDINGS START GOING IN AND BEFORE LOOP 288 IS FINISHED TO WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF A LOT MORE TRAFFIC AND HEAVY TRUCKS ON MOSH BRANCH.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS EVERYBODY THAT USES A GPS IS IF 380 IN MY BRANCH OR JAMMED UP THEIR READ ON YOUR GPS, THE SYSTEM'S AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO REROUTE YOU OR SUGGEST THAT YOU GO THROUGH THROUGH RICH ESTATES.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO PREVENT.

I'M ASKING THE CITY, AS WE'VE WORKED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN FOR THE CITY, I'M ASKING YOU GUYS TO MAKE THIS SAFE, KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOODS SAFE FOR US. I SUGGESTED SOME THINGS IN MY EMAIL ABOUT NO TRUCKS, NO NO HEAVY LOADS, EVEN GATING US.

WE WOULD LOVE TO BE GATED, BUT WE'VE BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD BEFORE AND THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A POSSIBILITY.

BUT IF YOU CAN HELP US PROTECT AND NOT ALLOW THE LARGE, HEAVY TRUCKS TO COME THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH OUR CHILDREN, OUR PETS, OUR FOUR WHEELERS, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE LOVED FOR DECADES, THAT'S OUR THAT'S MY ASK.

SO ANYWAYS, I WON'T GO THROUGH MY EMAIL BECAUSE YOU CAN READ IT, BUT PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

AND I TRUST THAT YOU WILL PROTECT US.

GOT IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. THEN I HAVE ONE MORE CARD.

YES. SO AND SMITH AND WHAT LET ME CHECK.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD WANT TO SPEAK? AND BEFORE THE LAST SPEAKER ON IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE CAN SPEAK. YOU CAN COME UP.

YES, COME ON UP. YOU GOT TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE SO WE CAN TAKE YOUR PICTURE.

NO, I'LL JUST GET IF YOU CAN GIVE YOU CAN GIVE YOU A NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU'RE AT 4 MINUTES. WELL, THIS WAS EXACTLY MY QUESTION.

THIS IS MY FIRST TIME BEING A CITY COUNCILOR.

AND I KIND OF MISSED MY OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT THE ACTION PLAN.

IS THAT SOMETHING I'M GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE NEXT COUNCIL? WHICH ACTION PLAN ON THE 2020? THE ACTION PLAN WE SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER FOR THE CDBG AND ALL THAT.

YEAH. YES, YOU DID MISS THAT.

BUT LET ME SEE IF THAT PERSON IS SOMEONE HERE STILL FROM.

YEAH. CAN YOU SO STANDING UP THERE, IF YOU CAN GET DANNY'S INFORMATION, SHE'LL GET YOU WHATEVER YOU NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE ENJOYED HAVING YOU.

YEAH. OK IS THERE.

YES. AND SO.

OH, SO SHE'S STANDING RIGHT THERE.

YES. THANK YOU, OK.

AND THEN YOU'LL JUST FILL OUT A BLUE CARD AFTERWARDS, PLEASE.

AND THANK YOU. OH, NO, I HAVE YOURS FROM EARLIER.

I'LL JUST CHANGE THE NUMBER.

I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING ELSE, BUT YOU CAN CHANGE.

I'LL JUST. YEAH, CHANGE THIS TO. THANK YOU.

EVA GRECO 802 WEST OAK STREET.

ACTUALLY, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

I'VE DRIVEN ON MY BRANCH ROAD TO GET TO A FRIEND'S HOUSE AND IT SLOPES REALLY BAD AND IT'S VERY NARROW. AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, WHICH MEANS TRUCKS, LARGE TRUCKS.

IS THIS CITY TALKING ABOUT WIDENING MARSH RANCH ROAD TO ACCOMMODATE THE VEHICLES? BECAUSE WE KNOW ROADS ARE A BIG ISSUE IN THIS TOWN AND THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN OF MINE BECAUSE I DRIVE ON THE MUCH BRANCH ROAD EVERY NOW AND THEN.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHO CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

YEAH. SO WHEN STAFF COMES DOWN, I'LL ASK THAT BECAUSE IT SYNCS UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE.

SO WE'LL GET YOU AN ANSWER. GREAT.

[04:00:04]

I HAVE A QUESTION ON TIMING AS WELL FOR LUKE 288.

BUT THEY'RE ALL BACK THERE.

SO BECKY, CAN I CAN I BORROW YOU FOR A SECOND? I'M SORRY. YES. OKAY.

GOT IT. OH, CAN YOU.

OKAY. I WILL. GOTCHA.

AND I APOLOGIZE, SIR.

I DID NOT HEAR THE QUESTION.

AS YOU CAN TELL, WE WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION.

YEAH. NO, NO, NO WORRIES.

I DIDN'T EVEN. SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS.

SO I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE TIMING ON LUKE 288, IF YOU CAN MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE ON THAT, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO GO FASTER THAN ANTICIPATED JUST BECAUSE OF THE SOUTHERN DEVELOPMENT IN HUNTER COLE.

RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO DRIVE IT FAST, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE.

SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND LUKE 288 TIME AND ALSO SAT IN THE PRESENTATION WHERE I THINK IT'S IT'S FUNDED ISH.

YES, SIR. LUKE 28 WEST IS A PROJECT THAT IS BEING PUSHED FORWARD THROUGH TEXT DOT WITH HELP FROM THE COUNTY.

AND IT IS CURRENTLY A PROJECT THAT HAS JUST BEEN KICKED OFF AND THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS THAT'LL TAKE A FEW YEARS TO WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND THEN ULTIMATELY MOVE TO CONSTRUCTION AND CONSTRUCTION.

ANYBODY'S GUESS ANTICIPATE THAT IT'S A COUPLE OF YEARS OUT BEFORE THAT ROADWAY WILL BE CONSTRUCTED.

OKAY. THERE ARE CERTAIN SECTIONS OF THAT ROADWAY THAT ARE BEING ANTICIPATED TO BE PUSHED FASTER JUST BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S CURRENTLY JUST IN THE DESIGN PROCESS.

GOT IT. AND THEN IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO MASH BRANCH AND THE TIMING ON THAT WIDENING, ETC..

YES, SIR. THE MOBILITY PLAN SHOWS MOSH BRANCH ROADWAY.

IT SHOWS IT IN ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION.

THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE ANY PLANS CURRENTLY TO MAKE ANY KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS TO MOCHE BRANCH AT THIS CURRENT TIME.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TEAM WAS WORKING THROUGH WITH THE ULTIMATE CROSS SECTION OF MOCHE BRANCH.

BUT IT'S CURRENTLY NOT A CAPITAL PROJECT.

OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN, LEE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, IF THAT'S OKAY.

WHAT IS WHAT'S YOUR KIND OF BUILD? SO YOU HAVE THE PROJECTIONS, NUMBERS.

DO YOU HAVE A FEEL FOR LIKE WHEN YOU WOULD WHEN THERE WOULD BE CONSTRUCTION KIND OF COMPLETE, IF YOU WILL? SURE. SO THIS YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING PROCESS HASN'T EVEN STARTED ON THAT YET.

AND THE PLANNING PROCESS IS PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER 6 TO 12 MONTHS, 6 TO 8 MONTHS, SOMEWHERE IN THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS A LARGE DESIGN.

THERE'S WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE TO COME WITH THIS PROJECT.

THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS.

SO YOU SAY SIX TO.

AND DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS BUT JUST BALLPARK, YOU KNOW, 6 TO 12 MONTHS TO GET DESIGN DONE AND THEN PROBABLY AT LEAST ANOTHER 12 MONTHS, YOU KNOW, TO GET A BUILDING UP.

SO I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT 18 TO 24 MONTHS BEFORE A BUILDING WAS OCCUPIED WAS PROBABLY ABOUT A TIMELINE.

OKAY, GOOD. AND THAT'S JUST GOOD TO KNOW, JUST FOR A POLICY STANDPOINT, WHEN WE DO WANT TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT THAT TIME, SAME TIME FRAME THAT GIVES US SOME KIND OF IDEA AND WE CAN BE THINKING AND STAFF CAN BE PLANNING ON WHAT SIGNAGE, WHAT REGULATIONS WE WANT TO PUT IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE WE WE COME ALONGSIDE OF YOU AND MAKE SURE WE'RE WE'RE SETTING EVERYBODY UP FOR SUCCESS.

CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT? I HAVE SENT A LETTER TO PRE TIM AND HE'S BEEN WE'D HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SIGNAGE FOR TRUCK TRAFFIC THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HE WAS OPEN TO THAT.

AND SO I'M GOING TO PUSH TO GO AHEAD AND GET ANOTHER MEETING WITH HIM OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS TO TRY TO GET THAT SOLIDIFIED.

AND SO ANY SUPPORT WE CAN GET FROM YOU GUYS FOR, IF YOU NOTICE OUT WEST OF TOWN GOING INTO LAKEVIEW RANCH, THERE'S NO TRUCK TURN SIGNS ON 380.

SO IF WE COULD GET THOSE ON EACH ONE OF THOSE ROADS, CINDY AND LARIAT, HELP US WORK WITH TEX DOT TO GET THOSE AND THEN SOME BRIDGE WEIGHT LIMIT SIGNS.

I THINK THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT COULD HELP DEFER TRAFFIC AND THEN OF COURSE, TURNING ON TO HAMPTON ROAD.

SO ANY SUPPORT WE CAN GET FROM CITY COUNCIL TO GET THOSE SIGNS AS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, I'D LIKE TO EVEN PUSH TO GET THEM UP NOW.

SO THERE'S NO QUESTION DOWN THE ROAD.

SO IF WE COULD GET YOUR SUPPORT ON THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.

SURE. YEAH. NO, THAT'LL BE GOOD.

AND WE HAVE WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH HEY, HOW ARE YOU DOING? AND WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT WAYS FROM A MAPPING STANDPOINT.

SO WE CAN THERE'S SOME STUFF WE CAN DO THERE FROM A TECHNOLOGY STANDPOINT TO MAKE SURE WE MESSAGE THAT AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH.

AND THEN SO.

OH, YES, SORRY, COUNCILWOMAN MCGEE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I DRIVE A TRUCK FOR A LIVING.

MY ONE QUESTION I WANT TO ASK YOU IS, IS THIS GOING TO BE COMFORTABLE FOR US TO GET IN AND OUT OF.

ME AND MY FELLOW TRUCK DRIVERS, A LOT OF DOTS ARE GOING UP ALL OVER THE METROPLEX.

IT'S HELL FOR US TO GET IN AND OUT OF.

CAN YOU ASSURE ME THAT AS A TRUCK DRIVER, I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT QUICKLY?

[04:05:02]

THAT IS TURNING RADIUS IS WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO.

SO WE KEEP OUR CURBS.

ABSOLUTELY. YES.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

I WILL ALSO ADD, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT NO TRUCKS GOING THROUGH PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOODS.

JUST TO KEEP IN MIND FOR EVERYBODY LISTENING, THERE ARE SOME THERE ARE SOME TRUCKS THAT THAT DOESN'T COUNT TO, FOR EXAMPLE, ME LIKE AN LTO TRUCK DRIVER.

IF YOU ORDER SOMETHING, I GET TO BRING IT REGARDLESS OF YOUR NO TRUCK DRIVING SIGN.

BECAUSE THE RULES DON'T APPLY TO ALL TRUCK DRIVERS.

JUST. JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY. AND THEN SO THAT TAKES US TO OUR FINAL COMMENT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE SMITH.

MY NAME IS ANNE SMITH.

I LIVE AT 2013.

CYNDIE LANE.

FOR 28 YEARS, ALMOST.

FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL BECAUSE IT IS A TIME CONSUMING JOB THAT YOU HAVE AND YOU DO A LOT OF THINGS ABOVE AND BEYOND YOUR CALL OF DUTY.

AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORTING EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN IN DENTON.

AND WE WE SUPPORT YOU WORKING TOGETHER AND WITH US SO WE CAN HAVE A DENTON THAT THRIVES AND IS UNIFIED.

A QUICK HISTORY.

JIM SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE HISTORY, BUT RIGHT HERE YOU CAN SEE WE'RE IN THE END OF THE FLINT HILLS AND THE FLINT HILLS START IN NEBRASKA, GOES THROUGH KANSAS, OKLAHOMA, DOWN HERE ABOUT WHERE ALLIANCE AIRPORTS ENDS.

YOU'VE SEEN FROM MR. RAMSEY'S PHOTOGRAPHS OR HIS POWERPOINT THAT IT'S A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE AND WE DON'T MOVE VERY OFTEN.

AND SO WE MAY BE WE MAY SOUND LIKE A KIND OF A WEIRD NEIGHBORHOOD WHO, YOU KNOW, WE COME TOGETHER, WE UNIFY, WE SUPPORT, WE WE GET TOGETHER AND HAVE MEETINGS, BUT WE'RE NOT BECAUSE WE LOVE WHERE WE LIVE.

AND I HOPE ALL OF YOU ARE IN A PLACE WHERE YOU LIVE.

WHERE YOU LIVE. RANCH ESTATES MEMBERS, WOULD YOU STAND UP, PLEASE? ALL THESE FOLKS HERE TONIGHT.

AND THERE'S THIS IS A SMALL CROWD FROM WHAT WE'VE HAD FOR TWO MEETINGS.

BUT ALL OF THESE FOLKS HERE TONIGHT LIVE HAVE LIVED HERE FOR A LONG TIME.

JESSE THAT YOU HEARD.

SHE'S JUST BRAND NEW.

PAUL. PAUL? YEAH. PAUL'S HERE.

HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN HERE, PAUL? 50 YEARS. 50 YEARS.

AND? AND JIM? JIM PEROT? YES.

46. 46.

SO YOU'RE GOING FROM NEW TO.

YES. AND IF YOU WANT A HOUSE AND RANCH ESTATE, YOUR MOUTH DOWN NOW.

YEAH. IF YOU WANT A HOUSE AND RANCH ESTATES, THEY ONLY COME OPEN ABOUT EVERY 2 TO 4 YEARS.

RANCH ESTATES HAS THROUGH MEETINGS, QUESTIONS, MORE MEETINGS, MORE QUESTIONS, THREE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, MULTIPLE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS, AND A BARBECUE WITH NEIGHBORS AND THE AWESOME FAMILY ATTENDING.

AND I SAY AWESOME FAMILY BECAUSE WE INVITED LEE RAMSEY, BRANDON MARTINO, TO BRING THEIR FAMILIES TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BARBECUE BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, NOT THE FIRST NOT THE FIRST MEETING, WHICH WAS IN MARCH, BUT AT THIS POINT, WE FELT LIKE WE WERE ACTUALLY NEIGHBORS WITH THESE PEOPLE.

AND IT WAS BECAUSE WE SPENT TIME WITH THEM AT FIRST, AT OUR FIRST P AND Z MEETING THE LADIES HERE, SHE KNOWS SHE'S GONE.

ANYWAY, THE FIRST MEETING, WE WEREN'T ALL ON BOARD.

THE SECOND MEETING WE WERE ALL ON BOARD BECAUSE WE'D HAD MORE TIME.

THERE WERE MORE MEETINGS.

WE UNDERSTOOD. WE TRUSTED.

THIS IS WHAT THE FABRIC OF OUR SOCIETY SHOULD BE ABOUT.

AND THAT'S TRUSTING PEOPLE, TALKING TO PEOPLE, GETTING TO KNOW PEOPLE, SPENDING TIME WITH PEOPLE.

AND THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD.

THE 2040 PLAN, WHICH YOU ALL HAD APPROVED FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, YOU SAW ALL THE BLUE AROUND RANCH ESTATES, NORTH, SOUTH AND WEST IS SOMETHING THAT OUR NEIGHBORS HAD TO ACCEPT BECAUSE THE BAKER PROPERTY FINALLY SOLD AND WE HAD BEEN ENJOYING IT.

SO WE HAD TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE GRIEVING PROCESS OF THAT BEAUTIFUL LAND.

AND WHY IT WAS ACCEPTED FINALLY WAS BECAUSE THE AWESOME GROUP PROVED TO US THAT THEY WOULD RESPECT OUR COMMUNITY THOUGHTFULLY.

LOOK AT ALL OF OUR REQUESTS, WHICH THERE WERE A LOT, AND SEE WHAT THEY COULD DO.

THEN LIST THEM IN A LETTER OF INTENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SHOW THEIR COMMITMENT.

OUR OPINION OF DEVELOPERS HAS CHANGED, AND I'M GLAD THAT WE WERE WISE ENOUGH TO BE PATIENT AND KIND ENOUGH TO USE OUR HEARTS TO HEAR, OH, MY GOSH, YEAH, IT HAPPENS FAST.

OKAY, WELL, HERE'S THE DEAL.

YOU GUYS HAVE GOT TO GET ON THE TRAFFIC THING.

WE HAVE LITTLE BITTY KIDS.

THEY RIDE THEIR BIKES, THEY RIDE THEIR LITTLE GO CARTS.

[04:10:02]

THE TRAFFIC DEAL IS THIS.

WE HAD ONE LADY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DIE BECAUSE OF TECH START AND THE TRAFFIC.

THEY DID NOT TELL ANYBODY THAT THEY WERE OPENING A LIVE LANE OF TRAFFIC.

SHE WENT OUT BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT LANE HAD BEEN OPENED AT 6:00 OR WHATEVER THAT MORNING SHE DIED.

ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE THE PLACE? YEAH, IT'S. IT'S SORRY, BUT YOU CAN.

YOU CAN. YOU CAN WRAP UP.

I JUST DIDN'T WANT YOU TO GO TOO FAR IN THE NEW SIGNAGE, BUT JUST.

YEAH, TOO FAR INTO THAT.

ALL I'M SAYING IS YOU HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO OUR TRAFFIC.

YOU GUYS, YOU PROVED THE 2040 PLAN, AND YOU KNEW RANCH ESTATES WAS THERE.

IT'S BEEN THERE 59 YEARS NOW.

PLEASE, IT IS UP TO YOU THAT WE GET SOME PILLOW SPEED BUMPS, THAT WE GET SOME STOP SIGNS, THAT WE GET NO THRU TRUCK SIGNS EXCEPT YOURS, AND THEN THAT WE GET SPEED LIMIT SIGNS.

THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE QUALITY OF OF LIFE OF 62 FAMILIES OF 227 SOULS ARE NOW IN YOUR HANDS.

PLEASE DO WHAT LEE JUST SPOKE ABOUT AND I'M LEAVING.

PLEASE DO. PLEASE DO WHAT WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT AND GET THE SIGNAGE UP EARLY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

YES. YEAH.

OKAY. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT OVER TO COUNSEL AND JUST SO I CAN MAKE SURE MY MATH IS RIGHT.

SO I'LL START WITH A QUESTION.

SO EVERYONE SPOKE IN IN IN YARDS AND NO, IN FEET.

AND AND THAT'S AND I DEAL IN YARDS BECAUSE FOOTBALL, I CAN I CAN ENVISION THAT.

AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S IT'S ABOUT BASICALLY IT'S THE LENGTH OF A FOOTBALL FIELD PLUS ONE PLUS ONE YARD.

IS THAT DISTANCE BETWEEN THAT END ZONE.

END ZONE PLUS ONE IS THAT BUFFER.

OKAY, GREAT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS RIGHT.

OK COUNCILMAN DAVIS, MAY I MOVE APPROVAL? AND I'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION IF IT RECEIVES A SECOND.

OK COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DAVIS DISCUSSION.

I JUST WANT TO AGAIN THANK EVERYONE FOR FOR COMING OUT AND STAYING IN TOUCH.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS.

I KNOW THAT P AND Z WAS NOT ALWAYS WHAT YOU WANTED IT TO BE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND THE REASON WHY I'M MOVING APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST IS BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS IT WENT THROUGH, NOT BECAUSE IT WAS PERFECT WHEN THEY APPLIED AND NOT BECAUSE A P AND Z WAS WAS TOTALLY OFF BASE WHEN THEY DID WHAT THEY DID.

BUT BECAUSE A A COMPROMISE HAS BEEN REACHED, A SOLUTION HAS BEEN REACHED, THE PROCESS HAS WORKED.

AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME HAPPY TO MOVE APPROVAL AND DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE FORGOTTEN THE TRAFFIC ISSUE.

OC MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH, I'M GOING TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS AS WELL WITH THE SAME CAUTIONS.

AND I GUESS THIS ISN'T THIS IS BOTH TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO STAFF.

THE MOBILITY PLAN DOES SHOW THIS, YOU KNOW, WINDSOR HAMPTON PUNCHING THROUGH RIGHT HERE.

SO I THINK I'M GOING TO ADMONISH THE THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND STAFF TO BEAR THIS IN MIND AS WE GO FORWARD, BECAUSE IT MAY NOT BE THIS COUNCIL IF THE TIMEFRAMES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE FOUR OR FIVE, SIX YEARS COULD BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COUNCIL.

SO BUT THE STAFF AND THE CITIZENS WILL STILL BE HERE.

SO YOU'LL HAVE WE'LL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO COORDINATE TO GET THESE THESE TO STAY ON TOP OF THESE TRAFFIC ISSUES.

SO I GUESS THIS IS A MORE ME GIVING YOU A RECOMMENDATION TO TO STAY ENGAGED LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN FOR FOR ALL THE PARTIES.

COUNCILWOMAN MCGEE. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I'M SO PLEASED TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

AND MISS SMITH, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE MANY REASONS THAT I'M SUPPORTING THIS, BUT WHAT YOU SAID AT THE END, THERE REALLY WAS THE ICING ON THE CAKE.

YOU SAID IT CHANGED YOUR OPINION OF DEVELOPERS.

I THINK FOR ME, THAT IS KEY TO EVERYBODY HERE, EVERYBODY LISTENING THAT THIS CAN BE DONE RIGHT.

AND I APPLAUD THE PROCESS THAT LEE AND BRANDON AND YOUR ENTIRE TEAM WENT THROUGH WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY.

I APPLAUD YOU ALL MEMBERS OF RANCH ESTATES, FOR SHOWING UP AND WORKING WITH THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER.

I WANT EVERY OTHER DEVELOPER WHO COMES TO THE CITY OF DENTON WITH ANY TYPE OF PROJECT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THE GOLD STANDARD.

THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD ALL BE STRIVING TO DO.

BECAUSE IF YOU DID THIS, WE WOULD ALL ENTHUSIASTICALLY, I HOPE, SUPPORT ANY PROJECT THAT YOU HAVE.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS.

I'M EXCITED TO SUPPORT IT.

[04:15:02]

THANK YOU ALL FOR EMAILING.

PLEASE CONTINUE TO EMAIL BECAUSE WE LOVE TO BE RESPONSIVE BECAUSE THIS IS THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY.

WHEN WE HEAR FROM YOU, IT BECOMES REALLY CLEAR WHAT OUR OBJECTIVE IS AS TO HOW TO BEST REPRESENT YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN WATTS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. FIRST, I WANT TO START OUT BY SAYING I REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE STAFF TO THE TRAFFIC ISSUE WITH THE TRUCK TRAFFIC POTENTIALLY BEING ROUTED THROUGH RANCH ESTATES. THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE BEFORE THE FIRST SEMI TRUCK DRIVES OFF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

AND I REALLY THINK WE CAN DO THAT AND WE NEED TO REALLY MAKE THAT A GOAL.

I KNOW IT'S NOT PART OF THE PD, BUT ONE THING I KNOW ABOUT RANCH ESTATES, THEY STAY ENGAGED.

I MEAN, THE STORY THAT MS..

SMITH TOLD ABOUT THE TRAGIC DEATH OF ONE OF THEIR NEIGHBORS, REALLY THAT COMMUNITY CAME TOGETHER NOT JUST WITH DETERMINATION, BUT COMPASSION FOR THAT FAMILY AND FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS TO REALLY MOVE.

I MEAN, YOU DON'T GET TEXTED OUT TO PUT A LIGHT IN.

IN THE MATTER OF IT WAS PROBABLY SIX MONTHS.

I MEAN, IT WAS FAST.

AND SO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING ENGAGED.

AND THIS IS HOW THE PROCESS SHOULD WORK, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY, YOU HAVE THE DEVELOPER, AND YOU HAVE STAFF WORKING TOGETHER, THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.

I'M NOT DEFENDING ANYTHING EXCEPT TO SAY THIS IS SORT OF A NEW ANIMAL WITH THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

YOU KNOW, WE USED TO HAVE ZONING OVERLAYS AND NOW WE'VE GOT PDS.

AND I HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH AND TO SAY, HEY, JUST, JUST GET IT IN MEMORIALIZED IN THE ZONING CODE.

WELL, IT'S A PD.

AND SO EVERYBODY SORT OF LEARNED THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

AND I THINK WHAT MADE IT WORK WAS EVERYBODY WAS TALKING TO EVERYBODY.

WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS UP HERE WHEN THE COMMUNITY WORKS TOGETHER WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THE STAFF WORKS TOGETHER WITH EVERYBODY, AND WE FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK WITHOUT REALLY COMPROMISING ANYTHING, NOBODY'S REALLY GOTTEN A LOT LESS THAN WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR.

IN FACT, IT'S REALLY BEEN A BETTER PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE INPUT.

SO I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THIS AND I THINK COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE IS RIGHT.

THIS IS THE GOLD STANDARD IS JUST TALK, JUST GET TOGETHER AND TALK.

SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T COME TO AGREEMENTS AND IT COMES HERE.

BUT IN THIS CASE, THE COMMUNITY STAYS ENGAGED.

THEY STAYED ENGAGED WITH THE DEVELOPERS WHO WERE LONG TIME DENTON RESIDENTS AND DEVELOPERS KNOW THE NEED FOR COMMUNITY.

AND THE ONE NUMBER UP THERE THAT I WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN WAS THE FIRST YEAR OF FULL DEVELOPMENT.

IT WAS $1.6 MILLION TO JUST THE CITY, $1.6 MILLION.

SO GOING TO SUPPORT IT, I REALLY WOULD LIKE THOSE TRAFFIC IMPLEMENTS BY BY THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENTS.

AND I DON'T I MEAN, AS LONG AS IF IT'S A SIGN, IT'S ONE THING.

BUT HOW DO WE ENFORCE IT? WHAT KIND OF ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM IS AVAILABLE? SO I REALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT.

SO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR INPUT AND THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK.

I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY, I THINK PAID OFF, SO THANK YOU.

YEAH, YEAH.

NO, JUST TO TO CONCLUDE ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE, WE WRAP UP, SEE, AND THEN YEAH, I THINK JUST TO CONCLUDE, IT IS TRULY A RARE THING. TO THE EMAILS WE RECEIVED AND YOU KIND OF WATCH THE PROGRESSION.

AND WHAT REALLY WAS MOST IMPORTANT TO ME WAS THE ATTENTION PAID AT THE P AND Z MEETING.

AND THIS THE COMMENTS THAT SAID, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE WERE HEARD.

AND THAT TO ME IS SUPREMELY IMPORTANT.

WE ARE ELECTED TO REPRESENT THE RESIDENTS IN DENTON.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S PRECIOUS FEW TIMES WHERE I GET TO MAKE A DECISION THAT GERARD WANTS TO DO.

I HAVE TO KIND OF BE RESPONSIVE TO THOSE THAT LIVE HERE AND VOICE THEIR OPINION.

SO THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME THAT TO HEAR THAT YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T HEARD AND UNDERSTAND, THAT'S SO IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIVE TO OUR RESIDENTS.

AND IF WE'RE NOT, THEN THIS WHOLE SYSTEM'S.

RIGHT. YOU DON'T. YOU DON'T I DON'T GET TO GET UP HERE AND WING IT.

AND SO THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME.

AND WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THAT TO MAKE SURE WE DO NOT GET THOSE EMAILS GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU'RE HEARD AT EVERY LEVEL AND RESPONSIVE AND YOU USE SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR THAT.

SO FOR THAT, I SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMUNICATION.

I THANK ORSON HOLDEN FOR THEIR HARD WORK AND WILLING TO HEAR BAD NEWS UP FRONT.

AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, I DID WHEN I FIRST HEARD HE'S GOING OVER THERE, IT'S LIKE, OH, MAN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND.

I GREW UP ON BONNIE BRAE STREET, RIGHT? SO IF NO ONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU UNDERSTAND, THE HOSPITAL WAS MY FRIEND'S HOUSE WITH HORSES, YOU KNOW, AND NOW THE HOUSE IS GONE.

THE CITY, THE MAIN CITY IS WIDE.

AND BONNIE BREAK IN AND JUST WIPED IT ALL OUT, YOU KNOW, AND SO I THAT IS TRULY THE LAST KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHEN WE WERE HERE EARLY ON. SO KUDOS TO YOU AND TAKING CARE OF YOUR YOUR YOUR LIFE EXPERIENCE IN DENTON.

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SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

EXCITED AGAIN, ABOUT THE THE THE SUPPORT OF THE DEVELOPER, ETC..

AGAIN, THAT'S A RARE THING.

AND SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK FROM THE WHOLE TEAM TOP DOWN, YOU KNOW, SO A LOT OF LOT WENT INTO THAT.

AND TWO THINGS.

WE'LL VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

I DIDN'T GET ANY BARBECUE.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT BOTH Y'ALL AND I'LL I'LL I'LL TEXT YOU LATER.

LEE, THIS COW WAS IN YOUR PICTURES, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT KYLE'S NAME.

I'M JUST CURIOUS. SO I'LL GET BACK.

I'LL GET BACK WITH YOU. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK TO TRAVIS.

ALL RIGHT. SO IT IS 857.

WE'LL TAKE A QUICK TEN MINUTE BREAK.

AND SO WE'LL BE BACK RIGHT AT 910 TO FINISH UP.

AND WELCOME BACK TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

IT IS 916 AND WE ARE BACK WE'RE BACK ON BACK ON THE RECORD.

AND WE'RE WE CONCLUDED THE PUBLIC HEARINGS WERE NOW TO THE ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

AND SO THE FIRST ITEM IS ITEM A, WHICH IS ID 22657.

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton determining the public use, need, and necessity for the acquisition of a (i) permanent water line easement and a (ii) temporary construction easement, generally located along Loop 288 and US 77 between Interstate Highway 35E to Nicosia Street, situated in the Nathan Wade Survey Abstract No. 1407, in the City and County of Denton, Texas, and more particularly described in the attached Exhibit “A” (collectively the “Property Interests”); authorizing the City Manager and City Attorney, to acquire the Property Interests by agreement, if possible, including making all offers required by law; authorizing the use of the power of eminent domain to condemn the property interests if agreements cannot be reached; authorizing the City Attorney, to file eminent domain proceedings if necessary; authorizing the expenditure of funding; making findings; providing a savings clause; and providing an effective date.]

ABSTRACT NUMBER 1401407 IN THE CITY OF DENTON DIDN'T COUNTY.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I'M CHRIS SINGLETON FROM REAL ESTATE, FROM REAL ESTATE SPECIALIST FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

AND TODAY I'M PRESENTING BEFORE YOU THE EASEMENT ACQUISITIONS FOR THE NORTHWEST WATER TRANSMISSION MAIN AND NORTHWEST BOOSTER PUMP STATION PROJECT.

ON THE SCREEN IS THE PROJECT LOCATION MAP AND HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW IS THE SUBJECT.

THEY GOT A TOGGLE IT CAN YOU TOGGLE.

THERE WE GO. PERFECT. THANK YOU.

GOTCHA. AND ON HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

BACKGROUND OF THE PROJECT IS IN 2019.

KIMLEY-HORN DESIGNED THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE PROJECT.

THOSE PLAN IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY TO MORE EFFICIENTLY MOVE THE WATER TO THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK AT BLUE TO 88 AND 35 AND ADDITIONALLY IMPROVE THE CITY'S WATER QUALITY IN THAT AREA AND DELIVER SERVICE TO THE NEW DITTON HIGH SCHOOL AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN NORTHWEST DITTON.

SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IN ADDITION AS PART OF A REDESIGN TO TO THE PROJECT.

SO THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE, EMINENT DOMAIN ORDINANCE WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL BACK IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR.

AND AS PART OF THE REDESIGN, THIS IS AN ADD ON TO GAIN THAT AUTHORITY AS WELL.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ITEM.

APPROVAL WOULD AUTHORIZE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY TO ACQUIRE THE NECESSARY PROPERTY INTERESTS.

IN THE EVENT THAT NEGOTIATION EFFORTS FAILED, THIS ORDINANCE WOULD AUTHORIZE THE CITY ATTORNEY TO FILE EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY INTEREST IF IF THAT'S NECESSARY.

AND UPON READING OF A FAVORABLE MOTION AND A SECOND STAFF WILL BEGIN DISPLAYING THE LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS FOR EACH PROPERTY.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

MY QUESTION IS KIND OF A TECHNICAL ONE.

SO IF I GET IT LATER ON, THAT'S JUST FINE.

THE ANSWER IS FINE LATER ON.

BUT WHAT'S THE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AN EASEMENT TO BE ABLE TO INSTALL AND KIND OF WHAT'S LEFT OVER OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S LIKE FULLY DEVELOPABLE WITH NO SURE, WITH NO GOVERNMENT EITHER.

BROWN HERE WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT, THE PROJECT MANAGER, I THINK HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT.

MY QUESTION IS PRETTY GENERAL REALLY, I GUESS JUST IS, IS THE PROPERTY STILL OF USE TO THE OWNER OR ARE WE ARE WE BY PUTTING SOMETHING THIS KIND OF EQUIPMENT THERE OR ARE WE REALLY DAMAGING THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY? IT KIND OF GOES INTO QUESTIONS OF VALUE.

SO IF WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT SEPARATELY, THAT'S FINE TOO.

BUT KIND OF REALLY THE QUESTION IS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE PUT IN THERE AND WHAT'S LEFT OVER ON THE PROPERTY? THE ONLY EQUIPMENT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY JUST IT'S JUST FOR THE WATER TRANSMISSION MAIN.

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IT'S JUST GOING TO BE UNDERGROUND.

JUST A PIPE. IT'S YES, JUST POT.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.

GOOD DEAL. THERE WILL BE A STUB OUT AND THE VALVE THERE AT THAT LOCATION.

BUT THAT'S FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE CAN TIE ON AND GET WATER TO THAT NORTHERN AREAS.

BUT THAT'S IT. GOOD DEAL.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION SPECIFIC MOTION WHICH WAS.

YES, THERE WAS. YEAH, IT WAS SENT OUT.

THERE IT IS. I GOT IT. NUMBER THREE OK CASTRO MAGUIRE.

I MOVED THAT THE CITY OF DENTON, AFTER HAVING MADE THE OFFERS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW, USE THE POWER OF EMINENT DOMAIN IF NEEDED TO ACQUIRE A PERMANENT WATER LINE EASEMENT AND TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT LOCATED GENERALLY ALONG THE LOOP 288 AND US 77 BETWEEN INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 35 E TO NICOSIA STREET, SITUATED IN THE NATHAN WADE SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 1407 IN THE CITY AND COUNTY OF DENTON, TEXAS, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN THE ATTACHED EXHIBIT A TO THE ORDINANCE NOW UNDER CONSIDERATION AND ON THE SCREEN TO BE DISPLAYED TO THE AUDIENCE, ALL OF WHICH ARE FOR A VALID PUBLIC USE NECESSARY TO INSTALL A TRANSMISSION MAIN AS PART OF THE WATER DISTRIBUTION MASTER PLAN TO MOVE WATER TO THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK LOCATED AT LOOP 288 AND I 35 TO SERVE THE PUBLIC AND CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF DENTON. OK THEN.

COUNCILWOMAN MCGEE SECOND.

THANK YOU. HAVE MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER.

MCGEE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

ALL RIGHT, SO NOW I'LL DISPLAY THE THE PROPERTY INTEREST.

FIRST PAGE IS THE LIST FOR THIS ONE PARCEL.

HERE IS THE WIRELINE EASEMENT.

WAIT A MINUTE. OKAY, HOLD ON SO YOU CAN TAKE THAT DOWN.

I THOUGHT YOU'D ALREADY DISPLAYED IT WHILE SHE'S READING THE MOTION.

OH, GOTCHA. SORRY.

GOT IT. OKAY, SO WE'LL DO THAT OVER IN A MINUTE.

GO AHEAD. SORRY. OKAY, SO PARCEL LIST, WIRELINE EASEMENT.

AND TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT.

AND THAT'S IT. GOT IT.

THANK YOU, OK.

MOTION BY MAGUIRE.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

AND THEN WE'LL VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

AND IT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TAKES US TO ITEM B, WHICH IS ID 2277.

[B. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton determining the public use, need, and necessity for the acquisition of various (i) permanent sanitary sewer easements and (ii) temporary construction easements, generally located between Interstate Highway 35E and Westgate Dr., situated in the Nathan Wade Survey Abstract No. 1407, F. Baston Survey Abstract No. 43, all in the City and County of Denton, Texas, and more particularly described in the attached Exhibit “A” (collectively, the “Property Interests”); authorizing the City Manager and City Attorney to acquire the Property Interests by agreement, if possible, including making all offers required by law; authorizing the use of the power of eminent domain to condemn the property interests if agreements cannot be reached; authorizing the City Attorney, to file eminent domain proceedings if necessary; authorizing the expenditure of funding; making findings; providing a savings clause; and providing an effective date.]

SITUATED IN THE NATHAN WADE SURVEY.

ABSTRACT NUMBER 1407F BASTON SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 43 ALL IN THE CITY AND COUNTY OF DENTON, TEXAS. WELL, MARION COUNCIL, CHRIS SINGLETON, AGAIN, REAL ESTATE SPECIALIST WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

I HAVE THE PROJECT MANAGER JIM WILDER WITH ME FROM CAPITAL PROJECTS IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.

SO THIS ONE IS FOR THE BARROW SEWER PROJECT.

AND ON THE SCREEN IS THE PROJECT LOCATION MAP AND THE THE THE SEWER.

THE PROPOSED SEWER LINE IS OUTLINED IN THE THE BRIGHT LIME GREEN THERE.

SO THE PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT ARE NECESSARY IN ORDER FOR US TO ABANDON THE EXISTING BARROW WASTEWATER LIFT STATION, WHICH IS SUBJECT TO FLOODING FROM LARGE STORM EVENTS.

A PORTION OF THESE TO THE TOTAL PROJECT IS THREE PARCELS TOTAL.

TWO OF THE THREE HAVE ALREADY BEEN INCLUDED IN A PREVIOUS ORDINANCE BACK IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR AS WELL.

AND BUT WE'RE INCLUDING IT IN THIS PROJECT, IN THIS ORDINANCE AS WELL, IN ORDER TO COVER THE OVERLAPPING INTERESTS WITH ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT OVERLAP BETWEEN THE BARROWS WHO ARE PROJECT AND THE NORTHWEST WATER TRANSMISSION MAIN PROJECT.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ITEM AND APPROVAL WOULD AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TO ACQUIRE THESE PROPERTIES.

IN THE EVENT OF THE NEGOTIATION EFFORTS FAILED.

THE CITY ATTORNEY IS AUTHORIZED TO FILE IN MAY PROCEEDINGS UPON READING OF A FAVORABLE MOTION AND A SECOND STAFF WILL BEGIN DISPLAYING THE LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS FOR EACH PROPERTY INTEREST.

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I ASKED THIS IN QUESTIONS TO STAFF, BUT JUST JUST FOR THE PUBLIC SO THEY HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE EXISTING WESTGATE CONSTRUCTION AT THE BRIDGE THERE.

THAT WAS RECENTLY A PART OF A MAJOR CAPITAL PROJECT THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING.

NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. OKAY.

THANK YOU. OK CASTRO DAVIS.

I MOVE THAT THE CITY OF DENTON, AFTER HAVING MADE THE OFFERS REQUIRED BY LAW, USES THE POWER OF EMINENT DOMAIN IF NECESSARY, TO ACQUIRE VARIOUS PERMANENT SANITARY SEWER EASEMENTS AND TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS LOCATED BETWEEN INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 35 E IN WESTGATE DRIVE, SITUATED IN THE NATHAN WADE SURVEY.

ABSTRACT NUMBER 1407F BASTION SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 43 ALL IN THE CITY AND COUNTY OF DENTON, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN THE ATTACHED EXHIBIT A TO THE ORDINANCE NOW UNDER CONSIDERATION AND ON THE SCREEN TO BE DISPLAYED TO THE AUDIENCE, ALL OF WHICH ARE FOR A VALID PUBLIC USE NECESSARY TO INSTALL AND TO ABANDON THE EXISTING BARROW WASTEWATER LIFT STATION TO SERVE THE PUBLIC AND THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF DENTON.

THANK YOU. AND COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE.

A SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DAVIS, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE AND ALTOONA ON THE SCREEN IS THE PARCEL LIST.

THREE PARCELS. TOTAL PARCEL ONE.

SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT ONE.

SANITARY SEWER IS MEANT TO.

TEMPORARY. STILL PARTIAL ONE.

TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT ONE.

TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT TO.

PARCEL TWO SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT.

PARTIAL TO TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT.

AND PARTIAL THREE SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT.

AND SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT PART TWO.

AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR EITHER REAL ESTATE OR THE CITY ATTORNEY IN THE COPY THAT I WAS READING FROM AND THE SUGGESTED MOTION IN THE SECOND TO LAST LINE, THE PUBLIC USE IS TO INSTALL NOTHING AND THEN TO ABANDON.

IS THIS PUBLIC USE SIMPLY TO ABANDON THE LIVE STATION, OR SHOULD THERE BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE INSTALLED THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN LISTED IN THE IN THE MOTION IF IT'S JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF ABANDONING REQUISITE PIPE CONNECTIONS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, THEN I THINK WHAT I READ IS FINE IF THERE'S ALSO SOME INSTALLATION THAT NEEDS TO BE LISTED WITH THE PUBLIC USE.

I DID NOT SAY THAT THERE'S A JUST AS TO INSTALL, TO ABANDON, AND THAT'S WHAT I READ.

RIGHT? SO THIS PROJECT WOULD AUTHORIZE THE INSTALLATION AFTER WE ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY INTERESTS OF A NEW SANITARY SEWER LINE.

SO IF I COULD REPHRASE IT, SHOULD I, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, SHOULD I RE REREAD THE ENTIRE MOTION OR SHOULD I JUST RESTATE THE LAST PART OF MY MOTION TO SAY TO INSTALL A NEW SEWER LIFT STATION AND ABANDON THE CURRENT? IS THAT ACCURATE? I BELIEVE SO. BUT I WANT TO VERIFY.

BUT YES, YOU DON'T NEED TO READ THE ENTIRE MOTION AGAIN.

YOU COULD JUST RESTATE THAT YOUR PRIOR MOTION IS AMENDED TO REMOVE TO ABANDON FROM THE PRIOR MOTION.

SO JUST IT'LL BE JUST TO INSTALL THE EXISTING BARREL WASTE TO THE STATION.

OH, JIM WILDER WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

THE PURPOSE OF THE PROJECT IS TO INSTALL A NEW SANITARY SEWER LINE SO THAT WE MAY ABANDON THE EXISTING WASTEWATER LOOP STATION.

THERE WILL BE NO NEW STATION.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION AS I OR RESTATE MY MOTION, JUST THE LAST PORTION TO SAY PUBLIC USE NECESSARY TO INSTALL A NEW SANITARY SEWER LINE AND ABANDON THE BARROW LIFT STATION, EXISTING BARROW WASTEWATER LIFT STATION TO SERVE THE PUBLIC AND CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF DENTON AND COUNCILMAN.

MAGUIRE DO YOU? I ACCEPT THE MOTION.

I SECOND THE MOTION AS AMENDED.

OKAY, EXCEPT YOU GOT IT MOST COUNCILMAN DAVIS SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE.

DO WE NEED TO RE DISPLAY OR NO? NO. GREAT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. YEAH.

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I THOUGHT YOU SO HAD SEVEN ZERO.

SO. AND DID YOU SAY IT'S CHRIS, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. CHRIS SINGLETON.

YES. SO WELCOME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD JOB.

YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IT'S HIS FIRST PRESENTATION.

SO THAT TAKES US TO ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION AS WE GO THROUGH THESE LAST ITEMS. SO PLEASE NOTE THESE DIFFERENT FROM DIFFERENT FROM PUBLIC HEARINGS. YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A CARD BEFORE I CALL THE ITEM SO THAT YOU CAN BE HEARD ON THOSE.

SO IF THERE'S AN ITEM THAT YOU WISH TO BE HEARD ON IN THIS SECTION, THE SECTION SEVEN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO COMPLETE A CARD IN ADVANCE OF IT BEING CALLED.

AFTER THAT, IT'S FORECLOSED TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON IT.

I'LL CALL THE FIRST ITEM, WHICH IS SEVEN A ID 2 TO 8 SIX TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON STATING NO OBJECTION TO

[A. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton stating no objection to a 4% housing tax credit application to the Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs for the proposed new development of the Pathways on Woodrow to provide affordable rental housing; authorizing the Texas Housing Foundation to exercise its powers within the territorial boundaries of the City of Denton; authorizing a cooperation agreement; and providing an effective date.]

THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL.

DANNY SHORE COMMUNITY SERVICES.

AS A QUICK REMINDER, THE BACKGROUND ON THIS PROGRAM IS WE DO HAVE A HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATION PROGRAM THAT ALLOWS FOR APPLICANTS TO SUBMIT REQUESTS FOR RESOLUTIONS OF NO OBJECTIONS OR RESOLUTIONS OF SUPPORT.

THAT POLICY WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN MAY OF 2018.

SO WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS TODAY AND THE CONSIDERATION UNDER THAT POLICY.

AS A QUICK REMINDER AS WELL, THIS IS VERY SPECIFIC TO THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM AND FINANCING FOR THE PROJECT.

YOU ALL WOULD BE CONSIDERING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT AND THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AT A LATER DATE.

SO THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED ON OR NEAR 301 SOUTH WOODROW.

IT'S JUST SOUTH OF MCKINNEY BASED ON THE MAP HERE, THIS IS A MAP THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS COUNCIL WHERE THE OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS IN A TWO MILE RADIUS OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, THIS PROJECT IS ON 77.8 ACRES.

IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED IN FOUR DIFFERENT WAYS.

IT IS GOING TO REQUIRE AN SUPP.

THAT'S WHAT IS CONSIDERATION UNDER P AND Z ON THE 22ND AND THEN WE'LL BE IN FRONT OF COUNCIL ON THE 28TH.

THIS PROJECT WILL BE TAX EXEMPT.

IT IS WORKING WITH A NONPROFIT PARTNER FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

VERY QUICKLY, JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE RENT LIMITS AS THEY'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSED AND THE AFFORDABILITY OF THOSE UNITS.

SO THESE THESE UNITS WILL BE AFFORDABLE TO INCOMES EARNING 30% AND 60% BASED ON THIS GRAPHIC.

AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE ESTIMATED RENTS FOR THE DIFFERENT UNIT SIZES AVAILABLE HERE.

AND SO WITH THAT, ASKED COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION, WE'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.

THE DEVELOPER IS ALSO IN THE ROOM IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATION.

COUNCILMAN WATTS, THANK YOU.

AND COULD YOU PUT BACK UP THE THE RENT SCHEDULE, THE UNIT MIX AND SO FORTH? I THINK IS THAT LAST SLIDE UNDER THE AND THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT UNDER THE ESTIMATED RENT, IS THAT BASED UPON A CALCULATION OF THE 60% AM-I? I MEAN YES. AND I CAN SHOW YOU MEANS.

SORRY. AND IF THEY IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND ANSWER THAT AS WELL.

YEAH. SO THEY GENERALLY USE A CALCULATION THAT'S BASED ON INCOMES AND LIMITS, BASED ON THE RENT LIMIT. SO YOU CAN IT'S A PRETTY DENSE GRAPHIC, BUT IT KIND OF HELPS EXPLAIN THAT.

BUT I'LL LET THE DEVELOPER EXPLAIN.

HI, I'M STEVE SANDERS WITH PATHWAY DEVELOPMENT.

GOOD QUESTION. WE HAVE 15% OF OUR UNITS ARE AT 30% MEDIAN INCOME.

THAT'S THE 60% CHART.

THE 30% NUMBERS ARE 548 FOR THE ONES UP TO 847 FOR THE THREES, SORRY, FOR THE FOURS.

SO WE DO TEND TO ACCOMMODATE A WIDE VARIETY OF INCOME RANGES.

FRANKLY, I THINK THE LOW END OF THE INCOME RANGE IS 28 EIGHT AND THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE IS 58,000.

WE ARE LOOKING TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE PEOPLE THAT FIND THEMSELVES IN THE SORT OF MIDDLE INCOME, NOT QUITE ABLE TO AFFORD A HOME BUT BUT NEED A FRANKLY A REALLY GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO AS PATHWAY.

AND BY THE WAY, JUST THANK YOU, BY THE WAY, JUST JUST SORT OF NUMBERS THAT

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AND IT TURNS OUT THAT UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE STATE OF TEXAS RIGHT NOW, 78% OF EVERYONE CAN'T AFFORD A HOME.

78% OF EVERYONE CAN'T AFFORD A HOME.

THAT'S A STAGGERING NUMBER.

THEY THINK IN THE STATE OF TEXAS ALONE, WE'RE SHORT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 250 AND 400,000 AFFORDABLE UNITS IN DENTON, YOUR SHORT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TEN AND 15,000.

WE BUILD ALL OVER THE STATE, BUT THERE'S ONLY THERE'S ONLY SEVEN OF US.

SO THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO.

I WISH MORE DEVELOPERS SPENT TIME IN THIS FIELD, BUT FRANKLY, IT'S COMPLICATED AND IT'S DIFFICULT AND NOT EVERYBODY DOES IT.

WE DO IT AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOME SMALL PART OF THIS REALLY CRISIS PROBLEM THAT WE'VE ALL FOUND OURSELVES IN, WHICH IS PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN PLACES THAT THEY WANT TO LIVE.

YEAH, I WANT THIS ON THE PROGRAM.

WELL, I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION A LITTLE MORE DIRECTLY.

COUNCIL MEMBER WE ARE AS AS STEVE HAS INDICATED, WE ARE SERVING 60% UNITS HERE.

BUT I WANTED TO MORE SPECIFICALLY, YOU ASKED ABOUT A CALCULATION AND UNDERSTAND THE RENTS ARE ACTUALLY SET BY HUD.

THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT SET THE RENTS.

WE RECEIVE RENT CALCULATIONS FROM HUD FOR FAMILIES AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A CALCULATION FOR FAMILIES FOR FIVE, SIX, WHATEVER, BASED ON INCOME.

AND THE DEVELOPERS ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THAT RENT SCHEDULE.

IT LOOKS LIKE. I KNOW THAT THE GENERAL DEFINITION OF AFFORDABILITY IS ABOUT 30% OF YOUR OF YOUR MONTHLY INCOME.

AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AND SO MY QUESTION BECOMES BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN I LOOKED AT THE UNIT MIX OF THE 30%, MORE OF THEM WERE ONE BEDROOMS AND THERE WERE JUST A FEW OF THE LARGER LIKE, OKAY, YOU'VE GOT THREE BEDROOMS AND YOU GOT FIVE, THREE BEDROOMS AND FIVE, FOUR, FOUR BEDROOMS, IF I CAN READ THAT AND YOU HAVE 30 AND 12. WAS THERE IS THAT JUST TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK? I MEAN, AND COULD YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? I'M SORRY. SO WE HAD I DID REALIZE I DID THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS TONY JACKSON.

I AM COUNSEL FOR THE DEVELOPERS AND I AM OUT OF HOUSTON, TEXAS, WITH THE BANKS LAW FIRM.

BUT I REPRESENT DEVELOPERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN THIS AREA.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, GREAT.

ANOTHER QUESTION, COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, WHAT IS NEEDED IS A RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION. CORRECT? YES. SO FOR THEM TO MEET THE THRESHOLD TO BE AN APPLICANT FOR THIS PROGRAM, THIS IS A THRESHOLD DOCUMENT THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED.

SO WE'RE AUTHORIZING TEXAS HOUSING FOUNDATION TO EXERCISE ITS POWERS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY OF THEN WHO IS TEXAS HOUSING FOUNDATION.

SO IT SHOULD HAVE GONE INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.

TEXAS HOUSING FOUNDATION IS A PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY, MUCH LIKE WE HAVE IN DENTON, THE DENTON HOUSING AUTHORITY.

PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITIES ARE ORGANIZED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS UNDER THE TEXAS CODE.

AND SO THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS.

THEY'RE ORGANIZED IN THE MUNICIPALITY WHERE THEY WERE FORMED.

SO THAT DEBT HOUSING AUTHORITY OPERATES IN DENTON.

THE TEXAS HOUSING FOUNDATION IS ORGANIZED TO OPERATE IN MARBLE FALLS.

MARBLE FALLS. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS STATE LAW, IF THEY ARE GOING TO OPERATE OUTSIDE OF THE MUNICIPALITY WHERE THEY ARE FORMED, STATE LAW REQUIRES THEM TO GET ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION THAT THE CITY IS OKAY WITH THEM OPERATING WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.

THEY'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO GET A COOPERATION AGREEMENT, WHICH IS ALSO IN YOUR BACKUP, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GET THAT SAME DOCUMENTATION FROM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.

SO THEY ARE ON THE HOUSING AUTHORITY'S AGENDA ON THE NINTH TO GET THAT ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY ALSO IS ACCEPTABLE FOR THEM TO OPERATE HERE.

SO YOU SAID SO THEY ARE WORKING WITH DENTON HOUSING AUTHORITY, THEY OR NOT, OTHER THAN TO GET THE REQUIRED STATE DOCUMENTATION FROM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY THAT THEY'RE ALRIGHT WITH THEM OPERATING WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION.

SURE. THANK YOU. YES, WE WE ACTUALLY ARE WORKING WITH HOUSING AUTHORITY.

WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING THROUGH SOME DETAILS OF THE RELATIONSHIP WITH.

WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE THEM HANDLE THE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES.

AND THEN THERE'S WE'RE ALSO TALKING TO THEM ABOUT SOME OTHER THINGS WITH THE TRANSACTION.

THEY INITIALLY WEREN'T INTERESTED IN ISSUING THE BONDS.

TEXAS HOUSING FOUNDATION IS SIMPLY SERVING AS THE ISSUER OF THE BONDS.

HOUSING AUTHORITIES ARE ALLOWED TO CREATE WHAT WE CALL A PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION TO ISSUE THE BONDS.

AND THAT IS THE ROLE THAT THE TEXAS HEALTH AND FOUNDATION IS SERVING IN THIS CAPACITY.

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TEXAS HOUSING FOUNDATION IS IN MARBLE FALLS.

THEY ARE IN MARBLE FALLS, BUT THEY ARE ACTUALLY THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO OPERATE THROUGHOUT THE STATE BASED ON THEIR THE WAY THEY WERE SET UP.

SO MOST MOST HOUSING AUTHORITIES ARE OR SPECIFIC JURISDICTIONS, THEY WERE CREATED WHERE THEY CAN OPERATE ANYWHERE.

HOWEVER, ANY HOUSING AUTHORITY AS IT WAS ALREADY INDICATED.

EVEN IF YOU HAD A HOUSING AUTHORITY IN THE CITY OF DENTON, IN THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IN THE COUNTY OF DENTON, THERE WOULD STILL BE, AS A WHICH IS A HUD REQUIREMENT AND COOPERATION AGREEMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE HAD BETWEEN THEM IF THE CITY WAS GOING TO GO INTO THE COUNTY OR THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO COME INTO THE CITY.

SO THAT IS ACTUALLY A HUD REQUIREMENT.

AND WE ARE AGAIN WORKING WITH THE DENTON HOUSING AUTHORITY AND WILL BE GOING BEFORE THEIR BOARD ON THIS COMING THURSDAY.

SO WHY ARE WE WHY THE TEXAS HOUSING FOUNDATION AND NOT JUST DO THIS THROUGH OUR HOUSING FOUNDATION? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN WE FIRST APPROACHED THEM, THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED IN ISSUING THE BONDS.

SOME SOME HOUSING AUTHORITIES CHOOSE TO ISSUE THE BONDS.

OTHERS DON'T. AND SO THEY WERE INITIALLY NOT INTERESTED IN ISSUING THE BONDS.

DO WE KNOW ACTION? I DON'T KNOW THE MORE DETAILS OF THAT.

NO. I THINK IN OUR OVERALL CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW HOUSING AUTHORITIES OPERATE, EVERY HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS DISCRETION ON WHAT PROGRAMS AND SERVICES THEY OFFER.

OUR HOUSING AUTHORITY FOCUSES ON REALLY JUST TWO AREAS OF THE HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHER PROGRAM AND AS A AS A DEVELOPER.

SO IF YOU WENT TO A DIFFERENT CITY OR A DIFFERENT HOUSING AUTHORITY MAY OFFER BONDS LIKE SHE SAYS THEY ARE.

THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HERE DOES NOT CURRENTLY.

SO TO SIMPLIFY THIS FOR MYSELF, IT SEEMS LIKE IT SEEMS LIKE MONEY THAT SHOULD RESIDE HERE IN THE CITY OF DENTON IS GOING TO GO TO MARBLE FALLS.

AM I DUMBING THAT DOWN TOO MUCH? I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID.

IT SEEMS LIKE MONEY THAT SHOULD STAY HERE IN THE CITY OF DENTON WITH OUR HOUSING AUTHORITY IS GOING TO GO TO MARBLE FALLS.

I THINK I'LL LET THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL TALK ABOUT WHAT THEIR DEVELOPER AGREEMENT MIGHT BE.

I MIGHT BE INCORRECT.

I'M TRYING TO MUDDLE MY WAY THROUGH THIS.

WELL, I MEAN, WITHOUT A QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER, WHEN WHEN A HOUSING AUTHORITY OR ITS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION ISSUES BONDS, THEY ISSUE THE BONDS AND THEY DO RECEIVE A SMALL FEE FOR ISSUING THE BONDS.

MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, A HOUSING AUTHORITY ISSUES THE BONDS SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS THE HOUSING AUTHORITY'S MAY MISSION TO GET MORE HOUSING INTO THAT PARTICULAR JURISDICTION OR A JURISDICTION ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ACROSS THE STATE.

IN THIS CASE THERE, THIS HOUSING AUTHORITY IS GOING TO SERVE A PARTIAL ROLE AS THE GENERAL PARTNER IN THIS TRANSACTION.

BUT AGAIN, AS WE INDICATED WHEN WE FIRST APPROACHED THEM, THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED IN SERVING IN THAT CAPACITY.

BUT WE ARE NOW HAVING DISCUSSIONS IN THEM, SERVING IN SOME OTHER ROLES IN THIS TRANSACTION FOR SOME OF THE VERY REASONS THAT YOU HAVE STATED, BECAUSE WE ALWAYS WANT TO PARTICIPATE AND HAVE LOCAL PARTICIPATION WHEN WE CAN.

BUT AGAIN, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS THAT I REALLY CAN'T SPEAK TO AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK TO FOR YOU, THEY CHOSE NOT TO ISSUE THE BONDS INITIALLY.

PERHAPS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

I MEAN, NOT NECESSARILY RIGHT NOW.

CAN WE FIND OUT WHY? I WILL SAY TO YOU, WE HAVE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT IF WE BRING ANY OTHER DEALS FORWARD THAT WE HOPE THAT THEY WILL BE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING AND AS THE ISSUER AND NOT JUST AS OUR SOCIAL SERVICES PROVIDER.

SO A FEE IS GOING FEE IS GOING TO GO TO TEXAS HOUSING FOUNDATION.

THERE WILL BE AN ISSUER'S FEE BECAUSE THERE IS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU ARE AWARE, IN KNOW JUST STRAIGHT PUBLIC FINANCE, THERE IS GENERALLY A ISSUERS FEE AND SOME OTHER BOND FEES RELATED.

AGAIN, THE REASON THE HOUSING AUTHORITIES WERE WERE ALLOWED TO DO BONDS UNDER LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 303 IS BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE FEES ARE MINIMIZED AND LOWERED AND NOT WHAT THEY WOULD BE IF WE WERE IN THE OPEN MARKET AND USING ANOTHER ISSUER THAT WAS NOT OF THE MISSION OF DOING HOUSING. SO THAT FEE IS NOT WHAT YOU WOULD SEE ON IF YOU WERE DOING MUNICIPAL BONDS.

BUT YES, IT IS A FEE AND THERE WOULD BE NO FEE STAYING HERE IN THEN, CORRECT? THERE WILL BE SOME FEES GOING TO THE DENTON HOUSING AUTHORITY AS WELL AS THERE HAS BEEN A COMMITMENT TO EVEN CREATE A SCHOLARSHIP THAT IS GOING TO BE FOR DENTON HOUSING AUTHORITY TENANTS.

CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE FEE WOULD BE LIKE? HOW IS THAT FEE STRUCTURE GOING TO WORK?

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WE ARE LOOKING AT THERE BEING A PAYMENT OF $200,000 THAT THAT WILL BE GOING TO THEM ALONG WITH THE SCHOLARSHIP.

AND THEN IF THEY DO THE SOCIAL SERVICES, THERE WILL BE A SMALLER ANNUAL FEE FOR THAT AS WELL.

BUT THOSE WOULD BE THE ONLY FEES IN THIS SITUATION SINCE THEY AREN'T SERVING AS THE ISSUER.

SO WHAT'S THE SCHOLARSHIP? HOW DOES THAT I DON'T KNOW IF MR. CITY ATTORNEY, ARE WE STILL ON POSTING AT THIS BIT? YEAH, I THINK WE'RE STILL ON.

I THINK IT RELATES TO THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOOD.

GOT IT. THE SCHOLARSHIP THE THAT IS ACTUALLY STILL IN THE DISCUSSIONS COUNCIL MEMBER.

SO THAT HAS NOT BEEN WORKED OUT OTHER THAN A STRAIGHT PAYMENT AT THIS POINT.

YEAH, I DON'T MIND TELLING YOU GUYS, WE HAVE COMMITTED TO $25,000 A YEAR FOR DENTON HOUSING AUTHORITY TO DISPERSE TO PEOPLE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR SCHOLARSHIP FUNDS ON TOP OF THE 225,000 A YEAR.

CORRECT. THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND BEFORE WE I JUST.

I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE STAFF ON THE HOOK.

YOU DIDN'T DIDN'T HOUSING AUTHORITY AS A SEPARATE BOARD.

AND IF YOU GO TO A WEBSITE, THEY'RE BOARD COMMISSIONS AND ALSO, OBVIOUSLY, STAFF CAN CONNECT YOU.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE STAFF IN THE MIDDLE IN THE LURCH THERE.

SEE, THOSE BOARD MEMBERS ARE FANTASTIC, THEY'RE RESPONSIVE AND WOULD BE WILLING TO AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE ANSWERS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. STAFF.

IT'S A SEPARATE ENTITY THAT STAFF WOULD NOT HAVE ANY PURVIEW OVER, NOR DO I.

BUT JUST HAVING I APPOINT THE BOARD SO I HAVE A DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM, BUT THEN ALSO REDIRECT PEOPLE REGULARLY TO THEM FOR ANSWERS SUCH AS THIS. SO STAFF IS FLYING BLIND IN THAT WAY.

SO I DON'T WANT TO PUT THEM IN THE. MIDDLE OF HAVING THE RESEARCH THAT THAT THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY AND YOU COULD REACH OUT TO THAT BOARD.

EVERYTHING'S PUBLISHED ONLINE TO TO CONTACT THEM.

SO MIRROR WHAT'S SURE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION I DON'T KNOW WHO KNOWS WHY THEY TURNED IT DOWN ORIGINALLY? BECAUSE THE DEBT AND HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS DONE PROJECTS LIKE THIS IN THE PAST WHERE THEY'VE DONE SO.

THAT'S A THAT'S A DECISION THAT THEY MADE.

THEY MADE IT ALMOST A YEAR AGO.

AND SO I REALLY TO SAY THAT THAT A FEE IS GOING OUTSIDE OF DENTON.

YES, THAT IS THE CASE.

AND WE'LL HAVE A TWO MINUTE PITCH ON THAT LATER ON.

HOWEVER, THIS WAS A DECISION THAT THEY MADE.

FOR WHATEVER REASON, I'M NOT SURE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY COULD HAVE HAD WHATEVER THESE DEVELOPER FEES WERE.

BUT I WILL SAY THIS, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME IF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY TURNED IT DOWN.

OKAY, THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH.

AND IF THEY'RE WORKING WITH THEM NOW TO TO TO FIND SOME COOPERATION AND COLLABORATION.

WE JUST TALKED ABOUT COMMUNICATION ON ONE PROJECT PRIOR TO THIS ONE AND HOW THAT'S HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS.

ALL I KNOW IS NOTWITHSTANDING WHERE THE FEE GOES, WHICH IS MINOR COMPARED TO HOW MANY FAMILIES ARE GOING TO BE SERVED WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE.

AND IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT HOW MANY 30% ARMY UNITS AVAILABLE THAT WE HAVE, I LOOKED AT THE SIX PROJECTS THAT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL APPROVED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THERE WERE LESS OF THE 30% ARMY UNITS AVAILABLE ON ALL OF THEM COMBINED THAN THERE WAS THAT THIS PROJECT IS PROVIDING.

SO WHATEVER THAT WHATEVER HAPPENED, OKAY, THAT'S THAT'S EVERYBODY'S DECISION.

ALL I KNOW IS THAT WE'VE GOT A PROJECT BEFORE US THAT IS GOING TO PROVIDE FAMILIES WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND ALL I'VE HEARD OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO IS HOW MUCH WE NEED THAT.

AND FOR SOME REASON, IF THE DENTON HOUSING AUTHORITY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS IN THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN AT THIS TIME, I UNDERSTAND THAT NEXT TIME IT MAY BE A VERY, VERY DIFFERENT STORY. BUT WHAT I HEAR IS THERE'S SOME COMMUNICATION, SOME COLLABORATION, SOME WORKING TOGETHER TO HAVE A WIN WIN SITUATION.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED FOR THE RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY WHO NEED DESPERATELY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I WANT TO CORRECT ONE THING TO JEFF IS GOING TO SERVE IS OUR GENERAL PARTNER, OUR NONPROFIT GENERAL PARTNER PARTNER.

HOWEVER, I MISSPOKE.

THE BONDS ARE ACTUALLY BEING ISSUED BY THE DENTON COUNTY HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION.

SO I JUST DID WANT TO CORRECT.

THAT DEFINITELY MEANS THAT YOU'VE GOT THE THREE FUNDS.

OK. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN WHAT? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AGENDA ITEM IS PRESENTED.

KESSLER VERT A SECOND MOTION.

MARK COUNCIL MEMBER SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD DISCUSSION.

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MAYBE I'LL CHALK THAT UP TO TO THE FACT THAT I'VE ONLY BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR A YEAR.

IT DOES SEEM INTERESTING AND AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

IT JUST COULD BE IGNORANCE.

COUNCILOR MAGEE BROUGHT UP SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.

I WILL ALSO SAY I HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT IF THIS ITEM ISN'T APPROVED AND I BROUGHT THIS UP WITH STAFF IN EMAILS, THEN THIS GOES NOWHERE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SEPARABLE ITEMS, BUT I THINK I CAN'T COMPLETELY DECOUPLE THEM IN MY MIND. BUT I WILL SAY THAT.

WELL, ANYWAY, I'LL PASS THE TIME.

THANK YOU. MAYBE IT'S JUST NO HARM, NO FOUL.

IF IF YOU APPROVE THIS, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE DEVELOPMENT RELATIONSHIP.

I THINK MAYBE THAT'S THERE'S NO FINANCIAL LOSS OR COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY ON THIS PROCESS, IF THAT HELPS.

CUSTOMER MCGEE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. TO BE CLEAR, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE.

AND TOTALLY 100%.

I JUST HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AS TO WHY OUR OWN HOUSING AUTHORITY WASN'T WORKING WITH THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATE ENTITY, A SEPARATE BODY, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD PREFER IF THEY WOULD.

SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THE BACKGROUND AND WITHOUT THE HISTORY, YOU KNOW, WE JUST GOT HERE, THAT'S ALL.

IT'S HAD SOME QUESTION ABOUT THAT. BUT I ABSOLUTELY AGREE.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS DESPERATELY NEEDED.

SO THANK YOU, MR. WATTS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YES.

ANYONE ELSE? MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER WATTS.

SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD.

YOU KNOW THE DISCUSSION ON SCREEN.

PASS THE SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. TAKES US TO ITEM B ID 22921.

[B. Consider adoption of an ordinance considering all matters incident and related to the issuance, sale and delivery of up to $89,000,000 in principal amount of “City of Denton General Obligation Refunding and Improvement Bonds, Series 2022”; authorizing the issuance of the bonds; delegating the authority to certain City officials to execute certain documents relating to the sale of the bonds; approving and authorizing instruments and procedures relating to said bonds; enacting other provisions relating to the subject; and providing an effective date. The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (7-0).]

ALL MATTERS. INCIDENTS AND RELATED TO.

WAIT A MINUTE, RIGHT? YES. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE CONSIDERING ALL MATTERS AND ALL MATTERS INCIDENTS AND RELATED TO THE ISSUANCE, SALE AND DELIVERY OF UP TO $89 MILLION IN PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF CITY OF DENTON GENERAL OBLIGATION REFUNDING AND IMPROVEMENT BONDS SERIES 2022. GOOD EVENING.

RANDY COLANGELO, TREASURY MANAGER.

I'M SORRY TO HAVE TO ASK YOU TO DO MORE, BUT I HAVE ONE PRESENTATION FOR THIS ONE AND THE NEXT ONE.

PERFECT. NO PROBLEM IF YOU PLEASE CALL THAT.

SURE. IT'S THE 2292 TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE.

CONSIDERING ALL MATTERS INCIDENTS RELATED TO ISSUANCE AND SALE OF DELIVERY OF $121 MILLION IN PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF CITY OF DENTON CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION SERIES 2022.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

TONIGHT I HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION REGARDING THE UPCOMING BOND SALE.

WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT A GENERAL OBLIGATION SALE OF $89 MILLION IN CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION SALE FOR 121 MILLION.

THE GENERAL OBLIGATIONS WILL INCLUDE PROJECTS FROM THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM, AND THE CERTIFICATES ARE PROJECTS THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT BOND PROGRAM.

THE LAST TIME I WAS BEFORE YOU WAS APRIL 5TH, WHEN YOU EXECUTED THE NOTICE OF INTENTIONS FOR THE CO SALES.

WE PUBLISH THOSE AND THE DEBT AND RECORD CHRONICLE ON APRIL 14TH AND APRIL 21ST.

AND WE ALSO PUT THOSE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE WHERE THOSE STILL PRESIDE TODAY UNTIL THE NOTICE OF SALE IS PRESENT.

THE BOND ORDINANCE, WHICH YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR BOTH THE GEO AND THE COUNCIL, BUT THE COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TO BE 46 DAYS AFTER THE FIRST PUBLICATION.

SO WE MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS TODAY FOR THE CO PRESENTATION.

TODAY THE GEO PROJECTS ARE LISTED BEFORE YOU.

ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS IN YOUR BACKUP.

IT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR ICE SHEET AND SO IS THE PRESENTATION.

I WILL NOT GO THROUGH ALL OF THE PROJECTS, JUST KIND OF HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE TOTALS.

WE DO HAVE STAFF HERE IN CASE YOU'RE INTERESTED IN ASKING MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS ON THE PROJECTS.

THESE PROJECTS WERE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET PROCESS AS WELL AS IN THE AMENDMENTS TO THE BUDGETS THAT HAPPENED A COUPLE OF MONTHS PRIOR.

SO FOR THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM, WE DO HAVE THE PROPOSITION ONE FOR STS AT 36.6.

IT INCLUDES THE PROPOSITION TWO FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS THE POLICE RENOVATION AND THE SUBSTATION AT 17.9 AND THE PARK ACQUISITION, PROPOSITION THREE FOR THE FULL $5 MILLION, BRINGING THE PROJECTS FOR THE BOND PROGRAM FOR $59.5 MILLION INCLUDED IN THE GEO BOND SALE, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FUND THE 2012 2012 SERIES BONDS FOR THE GEO AND THE CO.

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AND LISTED ON THE SLIDE THERE ILLUSTRATES THE FUNDS THAT WOULD HAVE THESE SAVINGS ON THESE BONDS.

WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP WATCHING THE MARKET AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE SALE.

AS YOU KNOW, THE MARKET CONDITIONS ARE ARE VOLATILE.

SO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY NOT TO REFUND ANYTHING.

WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REFUND PARTIAL OR MAKE SOME OF THE DECISIONS.

SO WE ARE WATCHING THAT WITH OUR FINANCIAL ANALYSTS TO IF YOU HAVE ANY REFUNDING QUESTIONS OR INFORMATION, MORE DETAIL THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS.

THEY ARE HERE WITH US TONIGHT.

SO FOR THE BOND SALE SUMMARY, WE HAVE $59.5 MILLION IN ACTUAL PROJECTS.

THE POTENTIAL OF THE REFUNDING OF THE $28 MILLION ISSUANCE COST AND PRICING FLEXIBILITY FOR THE MARKET AT 1.3 MILLION, WHICH BRINGS US TO OUR TOTAL FOR THE BOND SALE AT $89 MILLION.

NEXT, WE HAVE THE CEO LIST.

WE START WITH THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT WHICH HAVE INTERNAL SERVICES FOR $4.3 MILLION.

WE HAVE SOME GENERAL GOVERNMENT PROJECTS, AS YOU CAN SEE, WITH THE FIRE STATIONS AND A LOT OF VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS AND SOME MISCELLANEOUS FACILITIES.

WE ALSO HAVE PARKS, LAND AND NORTH LAKES TENNIS CENTER.

THAT TOTAL IS 9.2 FOR YOUR GENERAL GOVERNMENT AT 13.5.

WE MOVE TO THE UTILITIES, WHICH WE START WITH THE WATER UTILITY, WHICH HAS A TOTAL PROJECT OF $23.4 MILLION.

THE WASTEWATER PROJECTS HAVE A LONG LIST.

WE NORMALLY HAVE TWO SLIDES AS WE DO THIS YEAR, SO ONE TOO MANY.

THERE ARE TOTAL WATER. SLOSHED WATER.

WASTEWATER PROJECTS ARE 41.1 MILLION WITH ELECTRIC AT 33.9.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY OUT OF THESE THREE UTILITIES, THEY STARTED THEIR BUDGET PROCESS WITH THEIR CAPITAL PROJECTS A LOT HIGHER THAN THIS.

WE ACTUALLY REDUCED $33 MILLION FROM BUDGET TO THIS POINT TODAY AFTER A STAFF HAD THE ABILITY TO TO ANALYZE THEIR PROJECT DOLLARS AND THEIR TIMELINES.

SO THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT DOWN TOTAL OF THOSE THREE UTILITIES BY $33 MILLION.

SOLID WASTE STATED AT THEIR BUDGET AT $6.9 MILLION.

SO FOR THE SUMMARY, WE HAVE THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT AT 13 FIVE WATER AT 23.4, WASTEWATER AT 41.7, SOLID WASTE AT 6.9. I THINK I SKIPPED ELECTRIC AT 33 NINE.

AND THEN AS WELL AS THIS SALE, WE HAVE ISSUANCE COST AND THE PRICE STABILITY PRICING FLEXIBILITY EMBEDDED AT 1.8 BRING OUR TOTAL FOR THE CO BOND SELL AT $121 MILLION.

SO THE NEXT STEP IS WE'LL GO ACTUALLY TO THE SELL, WHICH SHOULD BE COMING UP IN JUNE 16.

WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE THAT BY THE END OF THE MONTH.

WE'LL BE WATCHING THE MARKET CONDITIONS.

WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE THAT A LITTLE BIT IF NEEDED.

AND THEN WE WILL RECEIVE FUNDS ON JULY 21ST AND BRING THOSE IN-HOUSE.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROJECTS OR ANYTHING ELSE? I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN OR BRING SOME OF MY FRIENDS UP TO HELP.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK SOMETHING HAPPENED WITH THE BOARD.

I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS HAD HIS NAME BEFORE.

GO AHEAD. SURE. YEAH.

IT'S JUST A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER.

AT SOME FUTURE POINT, COULD WE GET AN UPDATE ON BOND PACKAGES, BOND PROJECT STATUS? JUST FROM FROM TIME TO TIME, WE GET A LITTLE BIT OF A SOMETIMES IT'S A PIE CHART, SOMETIMES IT'S A BAR GRAPH BECAUSE WE WEREN'T WORKING REALLY HARD TO CLOSE OUT SOME BOND PROJECTS FROM LINGERING BONDS.

AND THIS PUTS ME IN MIND OF ALL THE NEW BONDS, IF WE COULD GET A LITTLE UPDATE ON HOW WE'RE DOING WITH ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT BOND PACKAGES, WE'LL PUT A MATRIX TOGETHER THAT'LL SHOW YOU WHAT WE'VE EXPENDED ALL THE WAY FROM PREVIOUS BONDS TO CURRENT.

GOOD DEAL. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR WATTS.

YEAH, MAYOR, I'VE GOT A COMMENT.

THEN. I ALSO. IF THERE'S NO OTHER SPEAKERS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

SURE. JUST A REAL QUESTION ON THE REFUND REFUNDING OCCURS BECAUSE THOSE WERE 2012 BONDS.

YES, SIR. SO IS IT TEN YEARS? IT TAKES TEN YEARS TO BE ABLE TO REFUND THEM.

NINE YEARS. I'M JUST REALLY CURIOUS BECAUSE THIS ALWAYS FASCINATES ME.

SO IT'S A 3.4% RATE DEPENDING ON THE MARKET.

OBVIOUSLY, WHEN YOU GO OUT TO BID 60 DAYS AGO, 90 DAYS AGO, WHAT WAS THAT RATE? WAS IT LIKE 2%? I DON'T WANT TO SAY EITHER.

YEAH, WE'VE WATCHED.

NO, NO. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A CRITICISM.

IT'S JUST IT'S JUST THE MARKET.

I MEAN. YES, I DO NOT KNOW.

DO WE HAVE FLORIDA? YOU KNOW, IT'S NO BIG DEAL.

I JUST. YEAH, IT'S WE HAVE WATCHED THIS.

NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND YOUR SAVINGS REDUCED.

NO, NO. WELL, WE STILL WE'RE STILL GETTING IT.

YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH EVEN WITH A 3.4, WE'RE STILL GETTING SAVINGS RATES ARE UP ABOUT 150 BASIS POINTS SINCE JANUARY.

YEAH, I WILL SAY, THOUGH, THAT TWO WEEKS AGO THEY CAME BACK IN ABOUT 40 OR 50 BASIS POINTS.

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GOOD, GOOD. WELL, WE'RE STILL SAVING MONEY.

I MEAN, EVEN WITH THE WITH THE RATES THEY WERE BACK IN 2012.

SO. OKAY, JUST CURIOUS.

I'LL GO AHEAD. MAKE A MOTION TO IMPROVE.

DO WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE INDIVIDUALLY? YES. SO ITEM B WOULD BE FIRST ITEM B.

OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM SEVEN B OC COUNCILMAN MCGEE SECOND MOST BY CUSTOMER WATCH SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MCGEE FOR ITEM ITEM B ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? C AND THEN THIS PHOTO ON THE SCREEN.

IN THAT PASS, THE SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM C.

[C. Consider adoption of an ordinance considering all matters incident and related to the issuance, sale and delivery of up to $121,000,000 in principal amount of "City of Denton Certificates of Obligation, Series 2022"; authorizing the issuance of the certificates; delegating the authority to certain city officials to execute certain documents relating to the sale of the certificates; approving and authorizing instruments and procedures relating to said certificates; enacting other provisions relating to the subject; and providing an effective date. The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (7-0).]

CATCH MY WATCH. I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR AGENDA ITEM SEVEN C TO APPROVE.

COUNCILOR DAVIS. ALL RIGHT.

SO, MOTION BY ACCOUNTS, MARCH 2ND BY COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION SEEING UNFOLD ON THE SCREEN? NET PASS A70.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PAPERWORK TO SIGN SOON.

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM D, WHICH IS ID 221027.

[D. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton approving a co-sponsorship to the Denton Noon Kiwanis Club in an amount not to exceed $24,095.00 of in-kind services and resources for the 4th of July fireworks show, which will be held on Sunday, July 3, 2022, at North Lakes Park; and providing an effective date.]

APPROVE CO-SPONSORSHIP TO THE DENTON MOON KIWANIS CLUB IN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $24,095 OF IN-KIND SERVICES RESOURCES FOR THE 4TH OF JULY FIREWORKS SHOW, WHICH WILL BE HELD ON SUNDAY, JULY 3RD, 2022, AT NORTH MARK'S PARK AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL NIKKI SASSENUS PARKS AND RECREATION.

I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING ON THE KIWANIS JULY 4TH EVENT THEIR CO-SPONSORSHIP REQUEST FOR IN-KIND SERVICES.

SO FIRST, I'LL PROVIDE A BRIEF HISTORY, A BACKGROUND ABOUT THE EVENTS.

SOME DETAILS ABOUT THE EVENT, AND THEN FUNDING SOURCES FOR THE EVENTS, INFORMATION ON THAT, AND THEN STAND FOR QUESTIONS.

WE ALSO HAVE TWO MEMBERS FROM THE KIWANIS CLUB HERE, HANK DICKINSON AND JAMES HILTON.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM.

SO THE QANTAS HAVE TRADITIONALLY HELD EVENT FOR A 4TH OF JULY FIREWORKS EVENTS.

FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS.

IT'S BEEN AT UNDER APOGEE STADIUM FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

THE UNDER STADIUM WAS NOT AN OPTION DUE TO COVID FOR THE 2019 EVENT IN 2021.

QANTAS PROPOSED TO USE FF COLLINS.

THEY GOT APPROVAL FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT AFTER GOING THROUGH THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT PROCESS, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS FROM FROM FIRE AND PD.

SO ULTIMATELY THAT SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT WAS DENIED.

SO IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021, WE BEGAN WORKING WITH THE KIWANIS AND PD AND FIRE TO IDENTIFY AN ALTERNATIVE LOCATION.

WE WORKED THROUGH THE LOGISTICS OF TRYING TO FIND A NEW LOCATION, IDENTIFYING THE SCOPE OF WHAT THIS NEW EVENT WOULD LOOK LIKE, IDENTIFYING ALL THE IN-KIND SERVICES.

SO THAT ALL TOOK TIME.

BUT ULTIMATELY, NORTH LAKES PARK WAS SELECTED AS THE BEST ALTERNATIVE LOCATION FOR A NEW EVENT BECAUSE OF THE LARGE OPEN SPACE TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A SAFETY PERIMETER FOR THE FIREWORKS. THE AMPLE PARKING, THE SUFFICIENT INGRESS AND EGRESS OF THE AREA THERE.

AND PLENTIFUL PARKING AND SEATING.

SO SOME EVENT DETAILS.

THIS WILL BE A FIREWORKS ONLY EVENT.

IT WILL TAKE PLACE ON JULY 3RD.

THE PARKING LOTS WILL OPEN AT 7:00 PM AND THEN THE FIREWORKS SHOW WILL START AT 930 AND CONCLUDE BY APPROXIMATELY 10:00 PM.

PARKING WILL BE RUN BY THE KIWANIS GROUP, WHO USE THIS AS A FUNDRAISER TO OFFSET TO FUND THEIR CHARITABLE INITIATIVES.

THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT PROCESS FOR THIS EVENT INCLUDED A REVIEW FROM FIRE, MPD, SOLID WASTE TRAFFIC, ANIMAL SERVICES, PARKS.

ALL OF OUR NORMAL GROUPS WHO GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL EVENT REVIEW, THE KIWANIS PD FIRE SPECIAL EVENTS TEAM AND TRAFFIC ARE ALL WORKING ON A TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN TO MINIMIZE TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND PROVIDE SAFE AND EFFICIENT FLOW OF TRAFFIC INTO AND OUT OF THE EVENT.

AND PD WILL BE PROVIDING TRAFFIC CONTROL FOR THIS EVENT AS WELL.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE SIGHT MAP THERE OF WHERE THE FIREWORKS LAUNCH WOULD BE, THE SEATING AREAS, THE PARKING AREAS.

FUNDING FOR THE EVENT. KIWANIS DOES RECEIVE SPONSORSHIP FUNDS FOR THIS EVENT.

THEY RECEIVED THEM IN FISCAL YEAR 2019 IN THE AMOUNT OF 40,000, $25,000 OF THAT WAS PAID TO THE PYROTECHNIC GROUP.

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THEY HAVE A CREDIT WITH THAT PYROTECHNIC GROUP.

$15,000 OF THAT WAS REFUNDED BACK TO THE CITY.

THAT WAS THEY REAPPLIED AGAIN IN FISCAL YEAR 2021 AND RECEIVED THE $15,000 SPONSORSHIP AMOUNT.

AGAIN, THAT EVENT WAS ULTIMATELY CANCELED AGAIN.

SO IT'S BEEN ROLLED OVER TO FISCAL YEAR 2021, 22.

THEY HAVE ALSO APPLIED FOR THE CO SPONSORSHIP FUNDING, WHICH IS WHAT THIS REQUEST IS FOR.

THIS IS A NEW REQUEST TO COVER THE ADDITIONAL IN-KIND SERVICES BY MOVING THIS EVENT OVER TO NORTH LAKE.

SO PD FIRE, EMS, PARKS, PARKS, FACILITY, SOLID WASTE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE TOTALS THERE.

THE ESTIMATED COST.

AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. QUESTION COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. ONE, I APPRECIATE CREATIVE SOLUTIONS.

TWO, I HAD A CONSTITUENT REACH OUT TO ME WITH A CONCERN ABOUT THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

AND I THINK I HEARD YOU MENTION YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND THE REVIEW PROCESS.

I THINK I HEARD YOU MENTION THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY? WERE THEY A PART OF THE CONVERSATION? AND WHAT HAVE WE DONE TO THINK ABOUT AND ADDRESS THAT CONCERN? SO FOR THIS EVENT, BECAUSE OF THE ANIMAL SHELTER IN THE PROXIMITY, WE DID REACH OUT TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

I WON'T SPEAK FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER, BUT IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, WE DID DISCUSS HAVING A CLEAR THE SHELTER EVENT PRIOR TO THE EVENT TO HELP REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS IN THE SHELTER. THEY ALSO HAVE SOME MITIGATION TECHNIQUES.

THERE'S A NEW SOUND SYSTEM THAT'S BEEN INSTALLED THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO USE DURING THE EVENT TO HELP CALM THE ANIMALS.

THE FIREWORKS LAUNCH SITE IS 1.3 MILES FROM THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

C.H. COLLINS IS TWO MILES AND THEN APOGEE IS THREE.

SO IT'S REALLY NOT THAT MUCH CLOSER.

IT IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, BUT IT'S NOT THAT MUCH CLOSER.

AND IT IS A 30 MINUTE SHOW.

SO I DON'T WANT TO SOUND INSENSITIVE, BUT WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER BEING THERE AND TRY TO MITIGATE THAT.

AND THEN I GUESS IN THAT 1.3 MILES, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF LAKES, SOME VEGETATION, PARK FACILITIES, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

THANK YOU. SIR.

WHAT? IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE SORT OF THE SITE MAP SHOWING.

YEAH. HELP ME GET MY BEARINGS ON THE STREETS.

I KNOW NORTH LAKES IS RIGHT THERE, BUT IS THAT.

YEAH. WHAT IS THAT? THIS IS BONNIE BRAY AND THEN THIS IS WINDSOR HERE.

SO IF YOU NEED TO KIND OF ORIENT YOURSELF, ACADEMY IS DOWN THIS WAY.

IMMACULATE CONCEPTION. THE CHURCH IS RIGHT HERE.

OKAY, THIS IS NORTH LAKES RECREATION CENTER.

THE DRIVING RANGE, THE DRIVING RANGES OVER HERE.

SO THIS IS THE SOUTH POND.

THIS IS ACTUALLY A GRAVEL ROAD IN OUR NEW DISC GOLF COURSE.

IS IT ACTUALLY LENDS ITSELF TO A GREAT NATURAL PERIMETER OR PERIMETER SAFETY PERIMETER THAT IS, I THINK, A 600 FOOT RADIUS RIGHT NOW.

AND I BELIEVE THE REQUIRED RADIUS FIRE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S 70 FEET FOR EVERY INCH OF SHELL.

NOW, I APPRECIATE I JUST WAS TRYING TO.

SO THAT'S THE SOUTH LAKE.

IT'S NOT THE. SO THAT'S EVEN FURTHER AWAY.

OKAY. I GOTCHA. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. OK COUNCIL MEMBER MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. OK.

SO. SO I HEARD THE CITIZENS AND FOLKS REACH OUT TO ME ALSO ABOUT THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

AND I GUESS I HEARD A VARIATION OF WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT.

AND I ASK ABOUT THIS AGAIN IN EMAIL.

I'M QUITE CONCERNED.

I MEAN, SOUND FALLS OFF AT AN EXPONENTIAL OF DISTANCE.

SO TWO MILES IS MUCH FURTHER THAN 1.2 MILES IN TERMS OF SOUND IMPACTS ON THE ANIMALS.

AND I DON'T I GUESS I'M REALLY I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE IN-KIND FUNDING.

I MEAN, I DOUBLE THAT TO HAVE THE FIREWORKS.

THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM WITH ME.

SO, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO PUT IT BACK ON C COLLINS OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT CASSINI'S COLLINS HAS SUPERIOR PARKING SEATS.

COLLINS HAS TWO GRASSES.

THIS HAS GOT THREE.

YOU KNOW THE SEATS.

COLLINS HAS SEATING IN EXCESS OF THIS C COLLINS DOESN'T HAVE AN ANIMAL FACILITY WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PANIC THE ANIMALS.

I JUST, I, I, I DO NOT WANT TO BE THE GRINCH THAT RAINS ON, ON THE ON THE PATRIOTIC DISPLAY OF AMERICAN.

WELL, OKAY, I'M GOING TO BE REDUNDANT, THE AMERICAN DISPLAY OF PATRIOTISM.

BUT I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE SAY WE GET TO TO GO AND HAVE SCREAMERS GO OFF.

I MEAN, THESE ARE THESE ARE AT RISK DOGS THAT PROBABLY ESCAPE FROM THEIR OWNERS FOR OTHER FIREWORKS DISPLAYS.

I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE SAY THAT THE PARKING MATCHES I MEAN, AND ALSO WE HAVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST.

WE WE DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING.

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I THINK IT IS NOT THE FUNDING I WOULD TOTALLY SUPPORT HAVING A DISPLAY BUT FOR THE PARKING, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACTS AND THE AND MOST PARTICULARLY THE IMPACTS ON THE ANIMALS.

I JUST CAN'T I DON'T WANT TO RAIN ON THE PARADE, BUT I CAN'T GET BEHIND THIS.

THERE ARE CHALLENGES IN ANY NEW EVENTS AND WE HAVE TRIED TO WORK THROUGH A LOT OF THEM.

I DO HEAR YOU ON THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, THE PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE ANIMAL SERVICE OR ANIMAL SHELTER BEING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.

APOGEE DOES HAVE ITS CHALLENGES WITH PARKING AS WELL.

THERE'S 1000 SPOTS THERE.

THERE'S 1100 HERE AT NORTH LAKES MARK SPOTS.

WE THEY THERE IS A CONCERN WITH APOGEE ON PEOPLE STOPPING ON TO 88 OR AND 35 PULLING OVER IN THE MEDIAN.

SO THAT THAT WAS A CONCERN THERE FROM FROM PD OVER AT C.H.

COLLINS. THEY DO HAVE INGRESS AND EGRESS, BUT THE ROADS ARE SO NARROW.

THE CONCERN WAS FROM PD AND EMERGENCY SERVICES TRYING TO GET A VEHICLE IN OR OUT IF WE'RE HAVING TRAFFIC ALONG THOSE ROUTES.

SO THAT WAS THE CONCERN THERE, TOO.

I GET THAT. AND I RESPECT FIRE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT, EXCEPT WE'VE ALL BEEN TO FOOTBALL GAMES ON FRIDAY.

WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S LIKE AND YET WE DO THAT EVERY FRIDAY DURING FOOTBALL SEASON.

I THINK IT WAS JUST THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE EXPECTING.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SEATS OR HOW MANY COME TO THE FOOTBALL GAME, BUT FOR THIS EVENT AT APOGEE, THEY TYPICALLY HAD 15 TO 20000 PEOPLE THERE.

SO THAT'S THAT WAS THAT WAS THE CONCERN IS HAVING THAT MANY PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THE STADIUM AND TRYING TO MOVE THEM IN THAT MANNER.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN BYRD.

I'M SORRY. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.

AND FOR ME, IT BRINGS BACK A TIME WHEN PROBABLY BEFORE YOU WERE BORN, WHEN THE CITY WOULD CUENTAS THE FIREWORKS.

I THINK IT MUST HAVE BEEN BEHIND THE BEHIND THE BIG SHOPS UP HERE OFF 35 TO 88 AND 35 UP NORTH.

AND I REMEMBER WITH MY FAMILY, WE WERE PARKED ON 288 WITH ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE.

AND I JUST REMEMBER SEEING FIRE, YOU KNOW, CATCHING HOLDS TO THE GROUND AND FIRE TRUCKS EVERYWHERE.

AND THAT BECAME MORE, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST THING, ALONG WITH THE THE FIREWORKS AND THE FIREWORKS HAD TO BE STOPPED. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S COMING TO MIND THAT FOR ME, IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL SECURE ENOUGH.

I KNOW THAT IT'S A GREAT EVENT I SEE HERE WITH ALL OF THE SEATING AROUND THE POND AREA AND THE EMERGENCY SERVICES BEING ABLE TO GET IN THERE JUST IN CASE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS.

YOU KNOW, HOW DIFFICULT WOULD THAT BE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET IN THERE IF SOME FIRE CAT CUT A HOLE IN THE GROUND? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO PUT THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM ON BEFORE YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS ONE.

IF THIS IS FIREWORKS, GET OVER HERE INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE IT'S RAINING DOWN.

I ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T LIKE IT.

I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF US DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

I GOT THE PARKING SEATING OUT HERE ON BOND ON WINDSOR BEING SET UP, MOVING TRAFFIC IN AND OUT LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW.

I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I DON'T APPRECIATE IT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT HAPPENS, IT HAPPENS.

BUT WE'LL JUST HAVE TO JUST BE MORE JUST BE MINDFUL OF ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN HERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST MY POINT.

MY LITTLE TOO. IF I CAN JUST HELP EASE YOUR MIND WITH THE FIRE CONCERN.

THAT IS A CONCERN.

FIRE STATION FIVE IS THERE.

FIRE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN CONVERSATIONS FROM THE BEGINNING TO IDENTIFY IF THIS WAS AN OKAY LOCATION.

ONCE THE FIRE PYROTECHNIC COMPANY IDENTIFIED A LAUNCH SITE THAT WAS RUN BY FIRE AND P.D.

TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS A GOOD SITE.

WE DO HAVE SOME MITIGATION OR PROCEDURES DOWN THERE TO DEAL WITH FIRES.

IT'S ON A GRAVEL ROAD, SO THAT HELPS.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO UNLOAD OR PUT THE PYROTECHNICS DOWN ONTO THE GROUND ON GRASS.

SO THAT HELPS. AND THE FIRE DOES HAVE BRUSH TRUCKS THAT THEY CAN DEPLOY AND HAVE OUT THERE.

SO. SO THEY HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS AND I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THEM, BUT THEY DO HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS.

WHEN THEY HAVE A FIREWORK SHOW, THERE'S A WHOLE SEPARATE PERMIT PROCESS THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I DON'T SHARE THE SAME SAFETY CONCERNS.

ONE, BECAUSE FOLKS WHO ARE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN I AM HAVE VETTED IT.

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BUT THEN I'M ALSO SEEING I MEAN, MAYBE THE CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET WANTS TO DO A FUNDRAISER AND CHARGE A LITTLE BIT FOR PARKING.

THE LINGERING CONCERN FOR ME IS STILL THE ANIMALS.

AND I'M WONDERING IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 30 MINUTE SHOW.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CLEAR THE SHELTER EVENT BEFORE.

I'M WONDERING IF THERE IS NOT A CREATIVE SOLUTION TO BE HAD, IF THAT IS THE LINGERING CONCERN.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE PARKED SAFELY.

I FEEL LIKE WE CAN WE CAN EVEN MAYBE DO SOME TRAFFIC CONTROL TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CROSSING THE STREETS SAFELY.

WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT GOOD CROSSINGS THERE AT NORTH LAKES, BUT MAYBE SOME TRAFFIC CONTROL STUFF AT WINDSOR AND BONNIE BRAE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE VERY SAFE.

MAYBE THAT'S ME.

MAYBE PUBLIC SAFETY IS PART OF THE IN-KIND REQUEST ALREADY.

IF WE'RE STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE ANIMALS, I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT AND TALK ABOUT HOW MANY VOLUNTEERS AND HOW MANY CRATES IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO CLEAR THE SHELTER AND THEN ANY REMAINING ANIMALS BE ADEQUATELY TAKEN CARE OF, WHETHER IT'S THE THE SOUND MITIGATION THAT THEY'RE DOING ON SITE, WHETHER IT'S SOME OTHER CREATIVE SOLUTION WHERE WE HOUSE THEM SEPARATELY FOR AN HOUR, I DON'T THINK THAT IS NOT AN INSURMOUNTABLE PROBLEM.

IT WOULD BE VERY TRAGIC TO ME IF WE TOOK A 40 YEAR TRADITION.

AND THE ONE THING STANDING IN THE WAY OF IT IS THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE FOR THESE ANIMALS.

WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.

WE CAN WE CAN SORT THAT OUT.

THAT IS NOT A REASON NOT TO HAVE THIS SHOW.

THAT IS A REASON TO GET OUR HEADS TOGETHER TOMORROW MORNING AND FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A COMMUNITY CONCERN ABOUT IT, ZERO SAFETY CONCERNS.

I THINK WE CAN SOLVE ANY OTHER PROBLEMS. WE'VE GOT CITY MANAGER COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

CERTAINLY WE CAN LOOK AT OTHER ALTERNATIVES.

THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

THE COST THAT ASSOCIATED WITH ASKING US TO DO A CO-SPONSORSHIP IS AN INCREASED AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR FIRE AND POLICE AND OTHERS.

SO THAT ADDS ON TO THAT AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE SITE, NOT JUST ABOUT THE ANIMALS, BUT AS THE CITY MANAGER AND A FELLOW COMPANION, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE IS NOT ADEQUATE PARKING IN THIS AREA TO REALLY HOLD 15,000 PEOPLE.

AND SO I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE FIREWORKS GO AWAY.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU FROM MY EXPERTIZE IN RUNNING THESE EVENTS, I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE RESIDENTS AND THE FLOOD OF TRAFFIC WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET OUT FOR A 30 MINUTE SHOW.

AND I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE.

AND I THINK THE POLICE AND FIRE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS BEING THE SAFE, BUT I WOULD SAY IS THE CITY MANAGER TO THE COMPANIONS FROM ONE COUNTY TO ANOTHER.

I'M NO LONGER ONE TO LOOK FOR ANOTHER SITE THAT'S MORE CONDUCIVE IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE I DO THINK IT WILL IT WILL CREATE SOME PROBLEMS THAT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TO ABSORB.

AND THE OTHER THING IS FUNDING.

THE FUNDING THAT WE'RE FINDING OUT IS MORE THAN 24,000 FOR OUR OFFICERS TO BE OUT THERE BEFORE AND AFTER THE EVENT AND HAVING TO DIRECT THE TRAFFIC OUT OF WINDSOR, WINDSOR, WHICH IS TWO LANES. SO IT'S A LOT MORE THAN THAT.

AND I WASN'T GOING TO SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE THE SKUNK AT THE PICNIC, BUT I NEED TO SPEAK UP AND SAY ANIMALS ARE ONE CONCERN AND WE CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS THAT.

IT'S MORE COST. BUT I DO THINK OUR FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE AND I'M GOING TO ASK STAFF TO DO A BETTER JOB AND DUE DILIGENCE IN THE FUTURE.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS AND WE LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT.

YEAH. I'LL JUST SAY FOR ME, THE CHALLENGE IS FINDING A CADENCE FOR STAFF. I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE ISSUE.

SO POLICE COME TO US AND SAY THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH CHANGING A GOLF CART ORDINANCE AND THIS COUNCIL VOTES THAT DOWN. PLEASE COME TO US AND SAY AND FIRE AND SAY THIS EVENT IS THEY LOOKED AT IT AND IT QUALIFIES AS SAFE IN THEIR ESTIMATION.

AND WE DISAGREE.

AT SOME POINT IT BEGS THE QUESTION, WHY DON'T WE JUST WING IT AND NOT RUN IT BY THEM IF WE'RE GOING TO IGNORE WHAT THEY SAY? I THINK THE CONCERNS AND THEN ALSO IT'S RARE THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THAT SOMETHING LINES UP PERFECTLY.

I THINK NIKKI SAYS IT ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

APOGEE, WHICH PEOPLE ARE ADVOCATING FOR, PUTS PEOPLE ON I 35 PULLING OVER TO WATCH A FIREWORK SHOW, DRIVING NEXT TO PEOPLE, DRIVING 70 TO 80 MILES PER HOUR. AND THAT'S OUR PREFERENCE.

THAT'S CURIOUS TO ME.

AND SO AND THEN THE POLICE AND FIRE SAY COLLINS IS NOT SAFE AND WE EITHER DISAGREE WITH THEIR EXPERT

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AND SO I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

AND AGAIN, THE ANIMAL SHELTER FOLKS HAVE SAID THEY HAVE NEW NOISE MITIGATION.

AND THIS ENTITY, THIS BODY HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEN WOULD SHOOT FIREWORKS OFF ANYWAY.

SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE A PLAN AT THE SHELTER JUST BECAUSE IT'S 4TH OF JULY WEEKEND, IRREGARDLESS.

SO IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO ENHANCE THEIR LIFE EXPERIENCE.

JUST ON THIS WEEKEND, ON THOSE ON NEW YEAR'S EVE, I SEE THIS AS SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE LASTING EFFECTS AND MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE ON QUALITY OF LIFE GOING FORWARD. SO THAT REALLY IS.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING, I MEAN, I ATTENDED IT WAS PROBABLY WHAT, THREE YEARS AGO THAT THERE WAS A FIRE AT UNT RIGHT BY THE RIGHT WHEN THEY WERE SHOOTING, LAUNCHING. I MEAN, IT WASN'T LONG AGO AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S RIGHT THERE AND THEY PUT IT OUT AND THERE'S A BONFIRE AND THERE'S A FIRE.

THEY PUT IT OUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THAT.

SO AND THE COST.

WELL, THERE'S A LOT TO SAY THERE.

THERE IS. I WISH WE COULD GET THE $40,000 BACK FROM LITIGATION.

WE HAD THREAT OF LITIGATION TONIGHT.

THAT'S GOING TO COST US A LOT.

SO IF WE'RE SAYING WE'RE SENSITIVE TO COST AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE COST CONSCIOUS DECISIONS.

I'M ALL IN, BUT I'VE NOT SEEN IT.

AND SO THE COST IS, I DON'T KNOW THE FULL COST.

HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I'M NOT HAPPY TO SEND YOU UP ONE END OF THE PURSE AND NOT SENT IN THE OTHER.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO IF WE'RE GOING TO BE COST CONSCIOUS AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE DECISIONS, I WELCOME THAT AT EVERY TURN.

BUT IF WE'RE NOT, THEN LET'S NOT PICK AND CHOOSE WINNERS.

LET'S JUST BE CONSISTENT.

AND THAT'S REALLY GIVE STAFF THE DIRECTION THEY NEED SO THEY CAN BRING BACK PROJECTS THAT ARE SUCCESSFUL.

AND WE DON'T HAVE THESE TYPE DISCUSSIONS.

SO FOR ME, I SUPPORT IT AND WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE WORK WITH.

SO WE HAVE WE HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT THAT HAS OK IT, WHICH THEY HAVE WE HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT HAS OK AND UNDERSTANDING THE POLICE IS GOING TO BE AN ADDITIONAL COST. UNDERSTAND THAT AND I UNDERSTAND IF WE'VE NOT PURCHASED THE FIREWORKS ALREADY, MAYBE THERE'S SOME STUFF WE CAN DO THERE.

BUT THEN ALSO THE CONTINGENT UPON THAT IS THAT WE MAKE SURE WE GET BUY IN FROM THE ANIMAL SHELTER MANAGEMENT STAFF, CITY MANAGER, ETC.

I DON'T WANT TO DISREGARD THAT AND I WANT TO HAVE A GOOD PLAN TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM FROM PARKERS.

BUT I THINK COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS IS EXACTLY RIGHT.

WE CAN IMMACULATE CONCEPTION IS AN OPTION THAT WE OWN THAT ENTIRE FIELD LEADING TO THE FOOTBALL FIELDS.

SOFTBALL FIELDS.

I MEAN, THERE'S THERE'S WAYS WHERE WE CAN BARRICADE PEOPLE IN TO EITHER DISINCENTIVIZE THEM TO COME IN.

AND IF THEY DO COME IN, THEY'RE STRUCTURED IN A WAY THAT IT'S MANAGEABLE.

BUT AT NO POINT DO WE HAVE SOMEONE PARKED ON THE SIDE OF A HIGHWAY WATCHING OUR SHOW, AND LUKE, 28, WOULD BE RIGHT NEXT TO TO SEE COLLINS.

AND SO YOU'D HAVE PEOPLE DOING 60 NEXT TO THEM AS WELL.

SO AND IN RESIDENTIAL, 20 MILE PER HOUR SPACE ADDS A LOT OF SAFETY, BUT WE ARE MISSING THAT COMPONENT.

JUST THE ONE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ON THE PET SIDE AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE A GOOD PLAN.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S MY READ ON IT.

WHAT WE'LL SEE. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME.

SO EITHER IT'S EITHER THIS OR I MEAN, EVERYONE ELSE IS ADVERTISING.

SO IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S TONIGHT OR WE'LL JUST START EDUCATING PEOPLE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT AGAIN.

SO. COUNCILMAN DAVIS, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS AND I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THOSE WITH US AND BEING CANDID WITH US.

AND IF THERE'S ONE THING WE CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON YOU TO DO IS TO BE CANDID WITH US AND TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH WHAT YOU SAY.

YOU ARE ALSO VERY GOOD AND YOUR STAFF IS VERY GOOD AT UNDERSTANDING THE DESIRES OF THIS COUNCIL.

AND WHEN WE WHEN WE SAY WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SOMETHING, YOU ALL ARE VERY RESPONSIVE TO THEM.

I'M LOOKING AT THIS MAP AND I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP OF DANGER THAT HAS BEEN PUTTING UP WITH A FIREWORK SHOW FOR HOWEVER LONG NOW.

I'M LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS FROM C.H.

COLLINS. IT'S BEEN PUTTING UP WITH A FIRE THAT WOULD HAVE TO PUT UP WITH A FIREWORK SHOW IF WE MOVED IT OVER THERE.

THIS IS IN THE NATURE OF A FIREWORK SHOW.

IF YOUR CITY IS GOING TO HAVE ONE, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE PUT OUT.

THERE'S GOING TO BE COPS DIRECTING TRAFFIC SOMEPLACE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A FIRE ENGINE AND MAYBE TEN OF THEM.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROTOCOL IS ON HIGH ALERT BECAUSE THERE'S FIREWORKS.

I THINK WE CAN MAKE THIS SITE WORK.

I THINK WE'VE GOT INS AND OUTS FOR THE PARKING, THE NORTH LAKES PARKING THAT WE CAN GO IN AND OFF OF BONNIE BRAE.

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THAT'S THE ONLY ACCESS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

RIGHT THERE IS PARKSIDE FROM WINDSOR.

I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT WORK.

AND IF WE KNOW THAT THIS IS AN IMPERFECT SOLUTION AND THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT OTHER THINGS FOR THE FUTURE, I'VE HEARD THAT COST IS NOT REALLY THE CONCERN.

IT SOUNDS RIGHT FROM THE MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE THAT NOT NON ACCURATE BAD PROJECTIONS OF COST ARE THE CONCERN.

SO AGAIN, I SEE SOLUTIONS HERE.

I SEE A WAY TO MAKE IT MAKE IT FORWARD.

I'M COMFORTABLE WITH VOTING IT, VOTING FOR BOTH OF THESE ITEMS WITH TRUST IN THE STAFF THAT THEY ARE GOING TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO.

THE THINGS THAT WE'VE MADE CLEAR ARE OF CONCERN TO US, THE LIFE SAFETY ISSUES, THE PARKING ISSUES AND THE MOBILITY ISSUES AND THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

AND WE WILL. COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, IF THIS IS APPROVED, I NEED YOU TO JUST SAY SOME FACTS, FACTUAL INFORMATION.

BUT ABSOLUTELY, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE SKUNK AT THE PICNIC.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE.

I WOULD I WILL ASK STAFF TO PUT IN WRITING A PLAN THAT MITIGATES EVERYTHING WE COULD POSSIBLY DO, INCLUDING MOVING ANIMALS OUT IF WE CAN'T GET THEM ADOPTED, BEEFING UP THE EGRESS INGRESS IN AREAS TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE FOR EVERYBODY AND THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING OUT AS FAST AS THEY CAN.

AND OBVIOUSLY, OUR FIREFIGHTERS WILL BE OUT THERE NO MATTER WHERE IT WAS.

THEY'RE OUT THERE ANYWAY AND THEN TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE NOTIFY OUR RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA.

THAT IS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE PUT HANGERS ON DOORS THAT THEY KNOW THIS EVENT IS GOING TO OCCUR SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY MAY.

MAYBE PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREETS.

THAT'S I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE TAKE THOSE EXTRA MEASURES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOTIFYING AND WE'RE DOING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

SO THE RESIDENTS KNOW THEY CAN ENJOY THE FIREWORKS AND IT'LL ONLY BE FOR 30 MINUTES, BUT PEOPLE PROBABLY PARK THERE A LITTLE BEFORE AND AFTER.

BUT THAT COUNTS.

FOR WHAT? YEAH.

GREAT DISCUSSION.

I LIVE LESS THAN A MILE FROM APOGEE STADIUM DOWN BONNIE BRAE.

SO I'VE HAD SEVERAL FIREWORKS SHOWS OVER THE YEARS THAT HAVE BEEN IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO MY HOME.

I HAVE PETS.

IF MY DOG IS ROAMING AROUND OUTSIDE, THAT BIG CANNON GOES OFF.

IT STARTLES BOTH OF US.

I MEAN, TO BE QUITE HONEST ABOUT IT, INSIDE THE HOUSE, MUCH, MUCH MORE MITIGATED.

SO THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION IS ON THE ON THE ADOPTION CENTER, ARE THE KENNELS, ARE THEY ON THE OUTSIDE? IN OTHER WORDS, ARE THEY ENCLOSED IN A BUILDING OR DO THEY? AND IF SO.

RIGHT. ALL THOSE KENNELS ARE IN THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.

OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

THERE IS SOME OUTSIDE AREA THEY CAN PLAY, BUT THEY'RE INSIDE.

THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE NOT OUT THERE.

SO I THINK BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.

I MEAN, I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY CAN RESPOND TO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

AND SO I THINK THERE'S EVEN IF YOU PUT UP TEMPORARY SOUND WALLS OR SOUND BARRIERS, I MEAN, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO TO TO HELP WITH THAT.

AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC.

I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE I THINK I RECALL THAT IN THE PAST THERE WERE NO PARKING SIGNS THAT WERE ENFORCED IN THE DANGER NEIGHBORHOOD.

I MEAN, YOU COULDN'T PARK ON WILLOW WOOD, YOU COULDN'T PARK.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GOT FURTHER OUT, IT MIGHT NOT BE, BUT THERE WERE POLICEMEN WHO WERE PATROLLING AND YOU WERE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK THERE.

SO I THINK WE CAN IMPLEMENT THE SAME THING.

AND THAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IS THAT LIKE PARK SIDE AND I MEAN I THINK THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S THE SOUTH PART.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT.

PLUS IF THEY'RE PARKING THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE EITHER WALKING A LONG WAY ACROSS SOME INTERESTING TERRAIN IF IT'S MOWED OR NOT.

SO YOU CAN YOU CAN MITIGATE THE PARKING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WITH WITH PARTICULAR SIGNAGE.

I DON'T KNOW.

I WOULD BE LESS INCLINED IF ALL OF A SUDDEN WE SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT ANY MITIGATING FACTORS IN IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND SAY NO PARKING, SOME POLICE ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE THEN EVERYBODY WOULD BE PARKING THERE.

IT'D BE A DISASTER.

I THINK EVEN OVER IN THE DANGER NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY WOULD CLOSE OFF CERTAIN INGRESS POINTS OF CERTAIN STREETS SO THAT THE RESIDENTS COULD COME IN AND GO OUT AT THE FURTHEST END OF THOSE PARTICULAR STREETS.

SO I THINK THAT'S DOABLE.

AND I THINK WITH THE ADOPTION CENTER, WE'VE GOT SOME SMART PEOPLE IN THIS CITY.

AND IF IT COSTS US A LITTLE MORE THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE ALL WANT TO WE ALL WANT TO DO.

BUT IF IT COSTS US A LITTLE BIT MORE THIS YEAR, WE'LL LEARN WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T.

AND IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE FIREWORKS DISPLAY, I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T HAD IT BECAUSE OF COVID.

THAT'S NOT THE SITUATION.

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I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS IMPORTANT.

I THINK WE CAN FIND A WAY TO FIX THESE THINGS.

WE'VE GOT A GREAT CITY MANAGER WHO APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR AND BUT THAT'S GOOD.

I MEAN, I'VE ALWAYS SAID OPPOSING POSITIONS OR JUST THE FACTS, NO MATTER HOW YOU JUDGE THEM OR HOW YOU FIND THE BEST SOLUTION.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND BUT I THINK THE REAL CONCENTRATION IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKING.

AND HOW DO WE MITIGATE THE SOUND AT THE SHELTER, AT THE ADOPTION CENTER TO MITIGATE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE? BECAUSE EVEN AT A MILE, I MEAN, YOU CAN STILL HEAR IT.

IT'S REALLY THE MORE THE BIG CANNON, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY CALL THOSE THINGS.

I MEAN, THE REGULAR FIREWORKS ARE LOUD, BUT IT'S THOSE BIG CONCUSSION KIND OF BLASTS THAT THAT REALLY RING FAR.

SO THIS IS JUST I'M JUST SHARING YOU MY EXPERIENCE FROM SOMEONE WHO'S LIVED OUT IN THAT AREA FOR A LONG TIME AND WHO'S EXPERIENCED ALL THOSE.

AND THERE ARE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE 15,000 PEOPLE GOING ANYWHERE AND HAVE AN EASY INGRESS AND EGRESS REGARDING TRAFFIC.

I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT WILLOW WOOD, YOU'VE GOT BONNIE BRAE AND THE SERVICE ROAD, AND THEN HALF OF THOSE ARE CORNERED OFF.

SO I THINK IT'S DOABLE.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME CREATIVITY AND WE CAN WORK ON THE COST AND THEN WE CAN GET A DEBRIEFING AFTERWARDS TO SEE AND IT'LL GIVE US A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO AT THE SHELTER, MAYBE JUST IN GENERAL.

BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT, FOLKS, YOU GET A BIG THUNDERSTORM ROLLING THROUGH HERE, YOU KNOW, WITH LIGHTNING STRIKES CLOSE BY.

I MEAN, SO MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT CAN WE DO PERMANENTLY TO HELP WITH THAT SOUND MITIGATION, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE THINGS LAST MORE THAN 30 MINUTES AND THEY'RE MUCH, MUCH, MUCH LOUDER THAN THAN THE FIREWORKS.

SO SO THOSE ARE SOME OF MY THOUGHTS, COUNCILWOMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. MOTION TO APPROVE COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE.

SECOND, MOST OF OUR COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE TO APPROVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

SEEING NONE STARTED ON THE SCREEN.

FAILS. PARDON ME.

PASS A61.

YEAH, MY MAN.

YEAH, IT'S LATE.

SORRY. TIM HAD MORE POWER THAN HE THOUGHT.

YEAH. YES, TEXAS.

[E. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton granting the Denton Noon Kiwanis Club a noise exception with respect to sound levels and hours of operation for the 4th of July Fireworks show to be held on Sunday, July 3, 2022, from 9:30 p.m. to 10 p.m. at North Lakes Park; and providing an effective date.]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON GRANTING THE DENTON NEWTON KIWANIS CLUB A NOISE EXCEPTION WITH WITH RESPECT TO SOUND LEVELS AND HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE FOURTH JULY 4TH JULY FIREWORKS SHOW ON SATURDAY JULY 3RD FROM 9:30 P.M.

TO 10 P.M..

COUNCIL. MAYOR NIKKI SASSENUS PARKS AND RECREATION.

SAME INFORMATION.

IT IS A NOISE ORDINANCE EXEMPTION FOR THE SAME EVENT.

COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS I MOVE APPROVAL.

I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING BRIEFLY IF THERE'S A SECOND COUNCIL MEMBER.

WHAT'S SECOND? THANK YOU. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO APPROVE AND COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE THE SAME MANAGERS CONVERSATION ABOUT DOOR HANGERS AND NEIGHBORHOODS.

SPEAKING FOR DISTRICT THREE.

HAPPY TO MOVE APPROVAL.

HAPPY TO TAKE IT ON THE CHIN WHEN THEY CALL AND SAY, WHO SIGNED OFF ON THIS THING? BUT I APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TALKING WITH THEM AND HOPEFULLY THAT QUANTAS MIGHT WANT TO HELP US PUT SOME DOOR HANGERS OUT.

AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION.

HAVE WE ALREADY. HAVE YOU ALREADY PURCHASED THE FIREWORKS OK.

AND ARE THEY THE LOW LEVEL ONES OR THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE I WENT TO THE FIREWORKS SHOW.

I SAY THAT BECAUSE I WENT TO THE FIREWORKS SHOW AND FARMERS BRANCH AND THEY HAVE I GUESS IT'S A LOW RANGE.

I DON'T I DON'T KNOW. BUT THEY HAVE IT.

IT RUNS.

RIGHT. PYROTECHNICS GUY DID SAY THAT HE PICKED OUT THE SITE AND SAID YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE THEM UP HIGHER IN THE AIR OVER THE TREES.

RIGHT. GOT IT.

JAMES HILTON, 1800, EMERSON LANE HERE.

AND THEN I'M PRESIDENT OF THE KIWANIS CLUB THIS YEAR.

EXCUSE ME. THE FIREWORKS SHOW WAS DESIGNED TO BE A HIGHER SHOW SINCE WE KNEW WE WERE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A A CLOSE END SHOW BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE STADIUM LIKE WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.

BUT WE CAN ACTUALLY ASK HIM TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF CONCUSSION GRENADES THAT THEY NORMALLY PUT IN THERE.

[05:40:04]

GOOD. THAT'D BE THAT'D BE APPRECIATED.

GOOD. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THIS.

IT'S BEEN ONE FOR THE CLUB.

ALL THE MONEY THAT WE COLLECT GOES FOR THE CHILDREN'S CLINIC THAT WE HAVE HERE.

AND IT GOES FOR THE CHILDREN OF DENT COUNTY.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CNN. LET'S START ON THE SCREEN.

THAT PASSES SIX ONE TAKES US TO ITEM F, WHICH IS ID TWO, TWO, ONE, TWO, FOUR.

[F. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton expressing its support of the City of Uvalde regarding the tragic events that occurred at Robb Elementary School; and providing an effective date.]

MAYOR COUNCIL RYAN ADAMS, CHIEF OF STAFF.

WE DO NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM, BUT WE DID PUT IT ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION KNOWING THAT COUNCIL MAY WISH TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM AND WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND WHAT CAN YOU EXPLAIN THOSE WATCHING ALONG THAT MAY NOT KNOW WHAT WE WHAT WE DID? CAN YOU GIVE AN OVERVIEW? ABSOLUTELY. SO, OF COURSE, EVERYONE IS WELL AWARE OF THE EVENTS AT ROBB ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN UVALDE AND SUBSEQUENT TO THAT TRAGIC, TRAGIC EVENT OF A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, STAFF DRAFTED A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR THE CITY OF VIVALDI, FOR THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WERE AFFECTED BY THIS SHOOTING.

AND SOMETHING THAT IS A STATEMENT TO SAY THAT WE SEE YOU, WE HEAR YOU, AND WE EMPATHIZE WITH YOU.

AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN, WE WE SHARE IN THAT GRIEF AND WE STAND READY TO HELP.