Aug 02, 2022 City Council on 2022-08-02 2:00 PM

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GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

[WORK SESSION]

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM SO I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

THE FIRST ITEM IS COMMENTS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH WE HAVE NONE.

THAT TAKES US TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS A REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION ON AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ON THIS AGENDA BY COUNCIL.

[2. Requests for clarification of agenda items listed on this agenda.]

COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I'VE GOT A COUPLE REAL QUICK.

LET ME SEE IF I'M ACTUALLY WELL.

I'VE ALREADY ASKED THE CITY MANAGER FOR THE DATA ON THE ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ON THE $3 MILLION AMENDMENT.

SO WE'LL GET THAT DURING THE PRESENTATION IN OUR OPEN MEETING.

ON A ON AGENDA ITEM.

I THINK IT'S KAY, WHICH IS THE QUIET ZONES, THE $60,000 FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT.

I WANT TO PULL THAT AND I'M PROBABLY GOING TO PROBABLY I WILL VOTE AGAINST THAT.

AND MY ONLY REASONING IS IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY NECESSARILY.

IT'S ABOUT WE HAD A DISCUSSION LAST WEEK ABOUT QUIET ZONES AND THAT APPARENTLY THE BUDGET IS SO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY PLANNED BACK IN 2014.

WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THE ONES THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT SCHEDULED.

AND SO I JUST DON'T SEE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE WHY WOULD WE BE DOING ANOTHER KIND OF WHAT IS THIS, A SORT OF A DUE DILIGENCE OR SOMETHING, SOME KIND OF THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS AS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M PULLING IT AND NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORT IT, NOT BECAUSE OF NECESSARILY MONEY, BUT ALSO THE MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

AND THEN IT'S GOING TO SIT SOMEWHERE FOR A FEW YEARS OR TEN YEARS OR UNTIL WE CAN GET TO IT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO THE ONES BEFORE.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

MAYOR. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM.

WELL, I KNOW, RIGHT? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HAVE QUESTIONS ON D AND E AND K.

I HAVE A DIFFERENT QUESTION THAN COUNCILOR WANTS ON K.

SO I'LL START WITH D.

THAT WOULD BE THE PARKHILL SMITH COOPER ENGINEERING SERVICES.

HOW YOU DOING TODAY? I'M RANDALL MORRIS, THE LANDFILL MANAGER, AND I WILL TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

GREAT. I WAS JUST CURIOUS, ONE OF THE THE COMMENTS IN THE MIDDLE IN REVIEWING THE BACKUP MATERIALS THAT GET MY TONGUE TO WORK THIS AFTERNOON WAS THAT THAT WE'D HAD UNANTICIPATED COSTS FROM THE DELAY.

AND I GUESS I WASN'T CLEAR FROM THE BACKUP MATERIALS WHAT WAS THE SOURCE OF THE DELAY? AND IF YOU COULD EDUCATE ME ON THAT.

I MEAN, THE DELAY WAS CAUSED BECAUSE WE HAD SOME BIG PROJECTS GOING ON ACTUALLY AT THE LANDFILL.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD CELL CONSTRUCTION.

WE HAD A PERIMETER ROAD PROJECT GOING ON AND THAT WAS EATEN UP A LOT OF OUR TIME.

AND THIS THIS JUST KIND OF FELL TO THE BACK OF THE CONSTRUCTION LIST.

THIS YEAR WAS THE BIG REASONS FOR THE DELAY.

OK OK. IT MAKES SENSE.

IT'S SORT OF JUST TIMING AND SEQUENTIAL ISSUE AND HAVING TO PUT ONE IN FRONT OF THE OTHER.

OK THAT MAKES SENSE.

I GUESS THAT THAT'LL DO IT FOR FOR D AND THEN FOR EA.

THIS IS THE SAMARRA DEMO AND THIS ACTUALLY ISN'T FOR THE QUESTION, ISN'T FOR PRECISELY FOR THE DEPARTMENT, BUT MAYBE MORE FOR FOR SARA.

AND THAT IS I, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT A DEMO.

YOU KNOW ME, I'M GOING TO LOVE ME A TECHNOLOGY DEMO.

THE QUESTION I HAVE IS I'M CURIOUS WHY THIS IS ON CONSENT.

ISN'T THIS ALREADY WITHIN YOUR POWER TO JUST DECLARE DEMOS AND LET THEM HAPPEN? YES, IT IS.

AND THAT WE DEBATED THIS ONE, KIND OF WENT BACK AND FORTH AND I MADE THAT VERY STATEMENT.

BUT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HANDLED IT LIKE THIS BEFORE AND IT IS USING SOMEONE ELSE'S MATERIAL IN A IN A IN A MANNER THAT WE WOULD USE IT, BUT WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR IT. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL WAS OKAY.

OK I APPRECIATE THAT.

I WAS I WAS JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE ALREADY UNDER YOUR UMBRELLA.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT ANSWER.

AND THEN MY LAST ONE IS, IS K ABOUT THE QUIET ZONE, DOMINGO.

IN MY QUESTION AS AS BECKY WORKS HER WAY UP HERE IS MORE RELATED TO THE BIGGER PICTURE OF THE NORTHEAST CORRIDOR, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IN GENERAL, ESPECIALLY THE MINGO CORRIDOR.

I'M WONDERING HOW THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT THE MOBILITY PLAN THAT WE'VE BEEN PROPOSING.

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DO WE DO WE ANTICIPATE IMPROVEMENTS OR DELAYS FROM THIS THIS APPLICATION FOR THAT MINGO CORRIDOR IN GENERAL? SURE. THE PURPOSE OF ITEM K IS TO HELP US WITH THE OVERALL SCOPING AND BEGIN WORKING ON THOSE COLLABORATIONS WITH UPSHUR TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT PATH WE NEED TO GO DOWN AS A PART OF THE DESIGN OF THE QUIET ZONES.

SO AS YOU MAY NOT KNOW, IF YOU TAKE AWAY ONE RAILROAD CROSSING, YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP TWO RAILROAD CROSSINGS FOR ONE RAILROAD CROSSING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO I'LL USE AN EXAMPLE.

IF WE MAKE THE CONNECTION AT RUDEL AND MINGO, AS WE'RE ANTICIPATING WITH A RE SCOPED PROJECT, WE WOULD REMOVE POSSIBLY THE QUIET ZONE OR I'M SORRY, THE RAILROAD CROSSING AT WILLIS AND POSSIBLY AT PERTAIN.

SO THE PURPOSE OF ITEM K IS TO START HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH UPRIVER, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE SCOPING THEM NOT ONLY FROM THE ZONE PERSPECTIVE, FROM VEHICLE TRAVEL, BUT ALSO FROM PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE TRAVEL.

AND THEN OUR OVERALL GOAL IS TO RE SCOPE THIS ENTIRE RUDEL MINGO AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL MODES OF TRANSPORTATION THAT ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR MOBILITY PLAN.

AND THE MAIN CORRIDORS THAT WE'RE FOCUSING IN ON ARE GETTING US ALL THE WAY FROM THE BELL INTERCHANGE, I WOULD SAY UP TO 383.

ALL RIGHT. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

THAT CLARIFIES THE FOR YOU.

THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CNN. THANK YOU.

THAT TAKES US TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION ITEM.

[A. Receive an update regarding the Texas Woman's University Master Plan from Texas Woman’s University. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

RECEIVE A UPDATE REGARDING THE TEXAS WOMAN'S UNIVERSITY MASTER PLAN FROM TEXAS WOMAN'S UNIVERSITY.

OKAY. WE HAVE TIME. WE'RE BLESSED HERE TO HAVE OUR CHANCELLOR, KARIN PHAETON, HERE TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION WITH THE COUNCIL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THANK YOU, BY THE WAY, FOR GIVING ME THE TIME.

I DO. I NEED TO SAY MY NAME AND ALL THAT OR.

NO, NO. YOU DID ALL RIGHT.

YEAH. JUST USED TO THE LEGISLATORS AND LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS WHERE YOU HAVE TO TESTIFY ANYWAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND.

AND ALSO FOR THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'VE ALWAYS EXPERIENCED WITH THE CITY.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

SO I'M GOING TO GO LOW TECH TODAY AND WANT TO TAKE YOU TO A LITTLE HISTORY OF SHORT HISTORY OF THE LAST FEW YEARS OF TEXAS WOMEN'S UNIVERSITY AND THE TRANSFORMATION THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED.

SO, AS YOU KNOW, THE CAMPUS TEXAS WOMEN'S VIEW ALWAYS HAS BEEN KNOWN AS THIS SMALL, BEAUTIFUL LITTLE CAMPUS IN DENTON WITH HIGH QUALITY PROGRAMS, BEAUTIFUL GROUNDS, HISTORIC BUILDINGS LIKE THE LITTLE CHAPEL IN THE WOODS, ETC., AND SORT OF LIKE THE BEST KEPT SECRET IN NORTH TEXAS. SO THINK ABOUT IT.

BACK IN THE EARLY 2000, WE HAD ABOUT 7000 STUDENTS.

SO WE HAVE GROWN.

AND I WILL SAY THAT WHEN I CAME TO TEXAS WOMEN'S UNIVERSITY AND YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN, I SORT OF HID HALF OF THE CAMPUS BECAUSE THE CAMPUS IS SPLIT ON ONE SIDE.

WE USED TO HAVE THE GOLF COURSE AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, ON THE WEST SIDE OF BELLE AVENUE.

SO THE NORTH IS UNIVERSITY AND THE LINE DOWN AND NORTH SOUTH IS THE ISABEL AVENUE.

SO EVERYTHING ON THE WEST OF BELLE AVENUE, ALL THE MAROON IS ALL OF THE BUILDINGS, ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THAT TOOK PLACE OVER THE YEARS, THE NORTH SOUTH AXIS.

AND WHEN I CAME HERE IN 2014, I WAS TOLD THAT AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WE WERE LANDLOCKED, BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE WAS NO MORE ROOM REALLY IN THAT AREA TO CONTINUE TO BUILD SINCE WE HAD ON THE OTHER SIDE THE GOLF COURSE.

AND I HEARD THAT LOTS OF NEIGHBORS WERE NERVOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT IMAGINE WE MAY WANT TO TRY TO BUY HOUSES OR PROPERTIES AND WHATNOT.

SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND YOU THINK ABOUT THE GROWTH, SO TODAY WE HAD 16,500 STUDENTS.

SO WE GREW.

WE GREW. AND WHEN AGAIN, THAT FIRST YEAR WHEN I WAS HERE, WE WERE FACING A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE CHALLENGES.

WE HAD TO CLOSE A POOL AND THE OPEN DOOR, I MEAN, OPEN DOOR, OUTSIDE POOL.

AND THE GOLF COURSE WAS FACING MAJOR CHALLENGES.

WE NEEDED ABOUT $1,000,000 FOR THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM, IRRIGATION, ETC..

SO I DECIDED I SINCE I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT GOLF, I DECIDED TO HIRE A GOLF CONSULTANT.

WE PUT A TEAM TOGETHER FROM PEOPLE WITH THE CITY, PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY, CITY STAFF LOOKING TO GIVE ME ADVICE ON THIS PARTICULAR GOLF COURSE.

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YET STUDENTS WERE THE ONES PAYING FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE GOLF COURSE.

SO WE LOOK FOR PARTNERS.

ANYONE INTERESTED IN PARTNERING WITH US? I BROUGHT THIS WHOLE TO THE CITY COUNCIL BACK THEN AND THE CITY COUNCIL TOLD ME, DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR YOUR STUDENTS.

SO WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATED.

SO WE DECIDED TO CLOSE THE GOLF COURSE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE WERE NO LONGER LANDLOCKED.

BUT WE ARE NOW. OOPS.

IS THIS GOING TO WORK, CHRISTOPHER? THERE WE ARE NOW LAND RICH.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE WHOLE OTHER SIDE OF THE CAMPUS, THE FORMER GOLF COURSE, ALL OF THE WHITE SPOTS THAT YOU SEE, THOSE ARE ALL NEW BUILDINGS, BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON, ON BUILDING.

AND SOME OF THEM ARE THE MAROON BUILDING.

SO IS IT OKAY IF I WALK UP TO THE SCREEN TO POINT? WELL, ACTUALLY, MAYBE I CAN POINT WITH THE MOUSE HERE.

WE CAN SEE IF I CAN FIGURE THIS OUT.

SO ON ONE SIDE OF BILL AVENUE, YOU HAVE STARTING WHEN THE BIG TOWERS THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT 1200 BEDS.

SO ACROSS WHERE'S MY MOUTH? THE OTHER AREA ACROSS A BELL AVENUE.

WE BUILT A NEW DINING HALL.

AND THEN WE ALSO BUILT RIGHT HERE PARLIAMENT VILLAGE, NEW RESIDENCE HALL, 875 BEDS.

SO AS YOU CAN TELL, WE ARE WE EXPANDING ALSO.

AND I LOST MY MOUTH AGAIN.

OKAY. I'M GOING TO WALK UP THERE.

THIS BIG WHITE SPOT IS GOING TO BE THE NEW HEALTH SCIENCE CENTER THAT WE ARE BUILDING, A $100 MILLION MASSIVE BUILDING.

SO AND WE HAVE ALSO THE ATHLETIC COMPLEX BOTH UP IN THAT.

RIGHT AROUND HERE.

SO WE HAVE OUR SOCCER FIELD, SOFTBALL FIELD AND FRAME STREET COMING OFF OF UNIVERSITY DRIVE.

THERE'S ALREADY A TURN LANE ON UNIVERSITY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT STREET BUILT YET.

BUT THAT WOULD BE AN ACCESS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO GET TO THE WHOLE ATHLETIC COMPLEX.

IN OTHER WORDS, YOU GET THE PICTURE, THE WHOLE EXPANSION ON THE EAST WEST CORRIDOR.

SO THE UNIVERSITY IS NO LONGER DOING JUST NORTH SOUTH AS IT WAS, BUT REALLY MASSIVELY EXPANDING EAST WEST AND.

THINK ABOUT, CONSIDER THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS GOING BACK AND FORTH.

1200 STUDENTS IN THE RESIDENCE HALL.

600 STUDENTS PER HOUR IN THAT NEW DINING HALL THAT I POINTED OUT RIGHT THERE.

600 STUDENTS PER HOUR CAN GO INTO.

THAT'S THE CAPACITY OF THE DINING HALL.

YOU THINK OF THE 875 BEDS IN THAT PARTICULAR PARLIAMENT VILLAGE RIGHT HERE AND THE NEW ACADEMIC BUILDING COMING ALONG QUAKERTOWN MEMORIAL, COMING ALONG ALONG AND THE TRAILS WITHIN THE WHOLE GOLF COURSE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT MASSIVE EXPANSION, THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS CROSSING BELL AVENUE.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, I MEAN, PART AND PARTNERSHIPS IN GENERAL PARTNERSHIPS ARE NICE.

EVERYBODY WANTS PARTNERSHIPS, BUT THIS IS WHEN THEY REALLY MATTER BECAUSE I THINK AS PARTNERS, WE OUR JOB IS TO REALLY ANTICIPATE THE FUTURE AND PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.

AND SO AS WE BRING ALL THESE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES TO THE TABLE, LOOK AT THE EXPANSION.

MY MY BIGGEST MY MOST IMPORTANT JOB IS TO KEEP OUR STUDENTS SAFE AND BY DEFAULT, THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS AS WELL.

BACK IN 2017, BREONNA TAYLOR, 23 YEAR OLD STUDENT, WAS KILLED CROSSING BELLE AVENUE.

2017 IS BEFORE WE HAD ALL OF THIS MASSIVE CONSTRUCTION ON THE EAST WEST CORRIDOR.

SO I FEEL LIKE IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO BRING THIS FORWARD AS A PARTNER WITH THE CITY AND REALLY TRY TO PLAN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE FOR THE FUTURE OF THE UNIVERSITY AND THE CITY AND REALLY BE SAFE FOR OUR STUDENTS AND THE RESIDENTS.

SO THAT IS WHY I'M HERE TODAY, REALLY, TO ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER YOUR DECISION ABOUT MAKING THE 550 FEET BETWEEN CHAPEL AND ADMINISTRATION DRIVE AND SEE IF I CAN FIND THAT HERE.

CHAPEL AND ADMINISTRATION DRIVE, I GUESS RIGHT HERE.

SO JUST A LITTLE SHORT SEGMENT TO MAKE IT PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE CORRIDOR WITH ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. THAT IS THE SPOT WHERE EVERYONE CROSSES BACK AND FORTH.

AND MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN THAT YOU CAN RECONSIDER THIS AND MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR STUDENTS AND THE RESIDENTS.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

OK THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND QUESTIONS FOR EITHER STAFF OR STAFF.

JUST COUNCIL MEMBER.

MAGUIRE. MY APOLOGIES, IF YOU MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED THE NUMBER, BUT WHAT WHAT INCREASE IN ENROLLMENT ARE YOU LOOKING AT AS A RESULT OF THIS? THANK YOU.

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SO WE WERE AT 7000 STUDENTS.

WE ARE NOW AT 16,500.

SO WE ARE DRAMATICALLY GROWING, WHICH CURRENTLY THE UNIVERSITY IS 16,500.

AROUND THAT NUMBER? YES.

AND DO YOU DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL GROWTH AS A RESULT OF THE NEW CORRECT CAMPUS EXPANSION? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF ESTIMATE ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT BE? YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD OUR FOLKS TO IT, BUT THE SWEET SPOT FOR UNIVERSITIES IS USUALLY AROUND 20,000.

THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE ECONOMIES OF SCALE IN TERMS OF SUSTAINABILITY, BUDGETS, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO AT SOME POINT, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE COORDINATING BOARD PREDICTIONS FOR ENROLLMENT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, THEY ARE PREDICTING A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT 5.9% INCREASE IN ENROLLMENT OVERALL.

I MEAN, WE ARE IN ONE OF THE HOTTEST PARTS OF THE COUNTRY IN TERMS OF DEMOGRAPHIC GROWTH.

DFW ON TOP OF THAT IS ONE OF THE HARDEST AREAS FOR DEMOGRAPHIC GROWTH AS WELL.

SO WE REALLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW AND WE SHOULD.

OUR MISSION IS TO REALLY EDUCATE THE CITIZENS OF TEXAS.

AND WE LOOK JUST LIKE TEXAS IN TERMS OF DEMOGRAPHICS, BY THE WAY, EXCEPT FOR THE GENDER DISTRIBUTION.

BUT YEAH.

SO I THINK IT'S OUR MISSION.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SURE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMES FROM BURT? HELLO. HI.

WOULD YOU TELL US WHAT THAT IS? UP AT THE TOP. RIGHT CORNER.

THE EAST SIDE OF THE CAMPUS.

RUDEL AND UNIVERSITY.

THIS UP TO? YEAH, UP IN THERE. WHAT IS ALL OF THAT? ALL OF THOSE WHITE.

SO THIS IS PART OF THE BIG CAMPUS MASTERPLAN THAT WE DID.

SO ALL OF THOSE ARE HYPOTHETICAL.

THERE'S NOTHING IN SPECIFIC, ANYTHING.

THAT'S WHY IT IS NOT THERE.

IT'S ALL POTENTIAL.

YEAH, IT COULD BE POTENTIAL.

MORE HOUSING COULD BE OTHER KINDS OF ACADEMIC FEATURES.

THE ONLY ONE THAT WE KNOW FOR SURE NOW THIS IS THIS WAS ALSO A DESIGNED PART OF THE MASTER PLAN, IS THIS BIG SQUARE HERE THAT WAS GOING TO BE OUR NEXT ACADEMIC BUILDING.

AND THAT IS THE ONE WE GOT FUNDING FOR $100 MILLION FOR THE HEALTH SCIENCE CENTER.

HMM. THE OOPS.

I LOST MY MOUSE AGAIN. GOD, THIS IS REALLY TRICKY.

ALL THIS DARKER LANES ARE INTENDED TO BE PARKING AREAS.

WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID BIG SERVICE PARKING AREAS AND BUILD THEM MORE AROUND THE LANDSCAPE OF THE CAMPUS.

ONE THING I WILL SAY TOO IS I'M THE PEOPLE ON MY CAMPUS, BUT I THINK I'M A TREE HUGGER.

BUT THAT'S BECAUSE I REALLY FEEL IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SAVE THE VERY OLD TREES THAT WE HAVE ON OUR CAMPUS.

SO WE REALLY BUILDING ACCORDINGLY AND TRYING TO KEEP THE BEAUTY OF THAT CAMPUS AND NATURE ALIVE.

SO THOSE ARE NOTHING SPECIFIC YET.

OKAY. I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT FROM FRANK.

I'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AROUND TO IT.

I FORGOT WHAT IT WAS.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU.

AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MY TARDINESS.

I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH YOU COMING TO SPEAK WITH US.

AND CONGRATULATIONS ON A VERY EXCELLENT MASTER PLAN, MAKING REALLY GOOD USE OF THE UNIVERSITY'S RESOURCES AND ENHANCING THE ASSET THAT DENTON HAS IN YOUR UNIVERSITY.

MY QUESTION IS ABOUT PLAN B AND IF THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE THE CITY IS NOT WILLING TO CLOSE DOWN A SECTION OF BELL, THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM THAT'S UNIQUE TO BELL AVENUE.

WE HAVE AVENUE C, OF COURSE, OVER THE OTHER CAMPUS, AND WE HAVE MANY PLACES IN TOWN WHERE WE HAVE TO.

WE HAVE CHALLENGES KEEPING PEDESTRIANS SAFE, KEEPING CYCLISTS SAFE.

SO WHAT ARE SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT YOU'VE EXPLORED FOR THAT STRETCH SHUT DOWN DURING CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY, DIFFERENT KINDS OF ROAD DESIGN, THAT KIND OF STUFF.

AND OBVIOUSLY I THINK A FOOTBRIDGE IS PROBABLY OFF THE TABLE.

WE TRIED THAT ONE ONE TIME, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. ANYTHING ANYTHING THAT WILL REDUCE TRAFFIC DURING THE TIME THAT THE STUDENTS ARE CROSSING.

RIGHT. SO, I MEAN, THE IDEAL IT'S ONLY A 550 FOOT STRETCH.

IT'S NOT CLOSING BELL AVENUE, WHICH IS WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING, 550 FEET RIGHT THROUGH THE CAMPUS, NOTHING IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

AND ACCORDING TO THE TRAFFIC STUDIES, THIS WOULD HAVE NO IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING ROADS UNTIL 2045.

SO THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO HAVE OTHER OPTIONS AND EXPANDING ROADS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, THE BEST OPTION IS OBVIOUSLY THIS.

THE NEXT BEST OPTION WOULD BE TAMING WHATEVER, TAMING OPPORTUNITIES, CLOSING DOOR, CERTAIN TIMES, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO KEEP THE CARS AWAY FROM THE TIME WHEN THE STUDENTS ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH ALL THE TIME.

THAT'S, YOU KNOW.

ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM.

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I ALWAYS LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENTS, AND I REALLY LIKE COUNCILOR DAVIS.

I'M REALLY PLEASED WITH THE MOVE OVER INTO THE FORMER GOLF COURSE AREA.

I HAVE SORT OF TWO QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD ON THAT END OF THE DIOCESE WHERE SO SLOW TO FOLLOW UP WITH COUNCIL FROM COUNCILOR BIRD. DO YOU DO YOU RECALL WHAT SORT OF THE LONG TERM PLAN AND GOAL IS FOR THE DENSITY NORTH OF UNIVERSITY AND WHAT'S GOING IN THERE? AT THE TIME THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT MORE RESIDENTIAL, MAYBE FOR GRADUATE STUDENTS OR FOR FACULTY OR EXPANSION IN THAT AREA.

THERE'S NOTHING REALLY SUPER SPECIFIC ABOUT THEM.

THEY JUST IDENTIFIED AREAS WHERE WE COULD DEVELOP WITHOUT DAMAGING THE ENVIRONMENT AND IF WE NEEDED TO GROW.

SO IT COULD BE MORE ACADEMIC ACADEMIC PROGRAMS AS WE MOVE DOWN THE THE MALL AREA, THE EAST WEST, NOTHING IS REALLY SPECIFIC ABOUT IT, RIGHT? GLADSTONE SO I GUESS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT'S ON THE MAP IS THAT, IS THAT A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS WAY THERE CROSSING BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES OF CAMPUS ACROSS THE UNIVERSITY? SO WELL WE ENVISION YOU BEING THE EAST-WEST RIGHT.

THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ACROSS UNIVERSITY BETWEEN.

OH THERE. YEAH. NO, YOU KNOW AT THE TIME I THINK THAT THEY WERE THINKING MAYBE WE'LL HAVE A BRIDGE GOING ACROSS UNIVERSITY, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING REALLY.

I MEAN, THIS IS.

WHEN DID WE DO THIS? ABOUT FIVE YEARS, FIVE YEARS AGO.

AND SO THIS WAS THE THE IDEA OF THOSE THOSE PLANNERS THAT THE CONSULTANTS THAT WE HIRED, THAT THAT WAS A POSSIBILITY.

BUT I DON'T SEE THAT REALLY VIABLE UNLESS THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT OF MONEY AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW? YEAH. I MEAN, THERE IS ALWAYS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY NORTH OF UNIVERSITY THERE THAT HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED.

AND SO ANYTHING THERE'S ALWAYS THAT CHALLENGE FOR WHAT WE DO, WHAT WE PUT THERE, IF WE CAN CROSS BELL, THAT'S DEFINITELY SO, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS? 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS DOWN THE LINE, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING.

YEAH, IT WAS THAT EXPERIMENTAL SCHOOL AND THE LAB SCHOOL.

THAT'S RIGHT. AND ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH. SO THE THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS AGAIN, REALLY IS SORT OF COUNCILOR DAVIS'S QUESTION.

AND THAT IS, I THINK YOU CAN SEE FROM THE LAST CONVERSATION THAT THAT WE HAVE SOME HESITANCY OR AT LEAST SOME OF US HAS SOME HESITANCY ABOUT THE OVERALL MOBILITY PLANNING.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE DEVELOPING THE NEEDS FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA AND TRYING TO DO THE BEST YOU CAN THERE.

AND BUT ALSO, BELL IS A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL ARTERIAL THROUGH OUR TOWN.

AND IT'S, I THINK SOME OF THE BARRIERS THAT AT LEAST I'M PERSONALLY SEEING IS, IS IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME THAT RUDEL IS THE SOLUTION TO YOUR BELL PROBLEM.

AND THAT LEAVES ME WONDERING WHAT, AGAIN, THE PLAN B IS IF IF WE'RE ESTABLISHING ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES IN THAT UPPER NORTH QUADRANT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WE'RE KIND OF HANGING WAIVING ON A 30 YEAR PLAN OR SOMETHING AT THIS POINT.

BUT REGARDLESS, THERE WILL BE PEOPLE THERE WILL BE PEOPLE ALL THROUGHOUT THIS AREA.

AND SO I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATING IT AS OPPOSED TO MANAGING IN ARTERIALS.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.

AND BELIEVE ME, I LIVE RIGHT THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT IMPACTS ME DIRECTLY TO BUT AND ALSO IT'S WHAT WE USED TO RIGHT, THE ROADS WE USED TO TAKE, ETC.

AND THIS IS WHY WE DID THOSE TRAFFIC STUDIES.

WE'VE DONE TWO OR THREE TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT WE HAVE FUNDED WITH THE CITY.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY LOOKED AT ALL OF IT, IT WAS GOING TO MAKE ONE TICK, ONE MINUTE EXTRA FOR RESIDENTS TO GO AROUND INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH BELLS.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, THEY THEY AND THE CONCLUSION WAS ALSO THAT THERE WAS NO MAJOR IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING ROADS UNTIL 2045.

SO THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME FOR US TO REALLY DO THAT AND TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, WHEREAS WE HAVE A PROBLEM RIGHT NOW WITH ALL THE STUDENTS CROSSING BACK AND FORTH.

I WOULD HATE FOR US TO WAIT FOR ANOTHER MAJOR ACCIDENT TO AT THAT POINT SAY, OH MY GOD, WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.

YOU SEE, THIS IS WHY I FEEL LIKE THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE SO IMPORTANT, SO I CAN BRING YOU THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE SEE ON THE CAMPUS.

YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL OF US, BRING SOMETHING ELSE TO THE TABLE AND AND DECIDE WHAT'S REALLY BEST FOR FOR THE RESIDENTS, FOR THE CITY.

AND AND THAT WE LOOK LIKE WE'RE FORWARD LOOKING AS A CITY AND WE REALLY PLAN AHEAD AS OPPOSED TO REACT.

I GUESS THAT'S REALLY MY MESSAGE NOW.

I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

SURE. OK.

JUST WANTED TO ADD ALSO, AS WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL CORRIDOR, THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS OF MINGO CHANGING ITS CHARACTERISTIC OR DALE CHANGING ITS CHARACTERISTICS

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THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN.

MCGEE. THANKS, MARY.

DR. BADEN, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY.

REALLY APPRECIATE IT. PICKING UP WITH WHAT TIM JUST DISCUSSED, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT TIMING.

SO IF THIS BODY MOVES TO ALLOW THAT SMALL SECTION TO BE PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE ONLY WHEN APPROXIMATELY ALLOWING EMERGENCY VEHICLES, EMERGENCY FORCE APPROXIMATELY WHEN, HOW QUICKLY CAN THAT BE DONE? WHEN WOULD THAT HAPPEN? IF YOU ASKED ME YESTERDAY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHATEVER'S FEASIBLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOU KNOW, IT IS SOMETHING THAT I SEE AS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US.

AND I THINK YOUR PEOPLE CAN GIVE A BETTER ANSWER IN TERMS OF TIMING.

MY WISHES BE RIGHT AWAY.

BUT YOU KNOW. YES, MA'AM, OF COURSE.

YES, SIR. BASICALLY, WE WOULD WORK THROUGH A DESIGN PROCESS THAT COULD TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS TO.

WE'VE ALREADY DONE SOME PRELIMINARY SCHEMATICS THAT SHOW WHAT THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE IN THIS AREA.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PICTURE.

I CAN GET TO THE RIGHT SPOT.

THAT KIND OF SHOWS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL IN THIS AREA, TALKING ABOUT THE BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN AND OF COURSE, THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS.

SO WE WOULD WORK THROUGH A DESIGN THAT WE WOULD BE COORDINATING WITH T.W.

ON AND THEN WE WOULD TAKE THAT THROUGH THAT DESIGN PROCESS AND THEN ULTIMATELY TO CONSTRUCTION.

SO THERE WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY A PROCESS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO GET THIS TO CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT'D BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LOOK INTO.

I WOULD ANTICIPATE IT COULD TAKE SIX MONTHS OR SO TO GET THROUGH A DESIGN PROCESS.

AND THEN AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION, IT COULD TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS TO WORK THROUGH THAT.

SO AND AND THINKING ABOUT THIS FROM A RESIDENTS PERSPECTIVE, PARTICULARLY THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE DISTRICT TWO NORTH OF 380, YOU SAID BASED OFF OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, IT'S GOING TO COST AN EXTRA MINUTE, ONLY ONE MINUTE TO GET AROUND CAMPUS RATHER THAN THROUGH CAMPUS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

YES, SIR. SORRY.

YOU'RE FINE. GO RIGHT AHEAD.

SO MY LAST QUESTION IS AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT HAS BEEN DONE, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS, DR.

PAYTON, HAS THERE BEEN ANY ANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS, ANY REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD NORTH OF 380, GETTING THEIR FEEDBACK ON THIS, OR AT LEAST LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS WHERE YOU ALL ARE THINKING ABOUT GOING? NO, WE HAVEN'T.

BUT JUST A REMINDER, I'M SURE YOU KNOW THIS, BUT BELL WAS CLOSED ENTIRELY CLOSED FOR A WHOLE YEAR.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK PEOPLE SORT OF GOT USED TO I MEAN, A LOT OF IT, I THINK IS UP HABITS, PATTERNS.

BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'S STILL A WHOLE SECTION CLOSED RIGHT NOW, BUT IT WAS ENTIRELY CLOSED THERE TO THE CAMPUS FOR A WHOLE YEAR.

BUT WE HAVE NOT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S REALLY A DECISION WITH THE CITY, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE'S NO NEED TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY OF THE CITIZENS WILLING TO PARTNER ON THAT.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S IT'S A JOINT EFFORT.

SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DECIDE.

THANK YOU, DR.. THANK, MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMAN BURT, I JUST HAD TWO QUESTIONS.

THE QUAKERTOWN? YES. PROJECT? YES. WHEN IS THE COMPLETION DATE ON THAT? IS IT COMPLETED ALREADY? NO, IT'S IN PROCESS.

20, 20, 24, 2024.

OH, HOLD ON A SECOND. HE'S SHAKING.

NO, REALLY. WE'RE HOPING FOR THE AMPHITHEATER TO BE COMPLETED THIS YEAR.

OH, THIS YEAR IT'S EVEN BETTER.

SO MY DREAMS DO COME TRUE.

YES. AND ALSO THE THAT NEW FACILITY THAT'S COMING UP, THE HEALTH SCIENCE CENTER.

WHAT KIND OF DEPARTMENTS WHAT DEPARTMENTS ARE GOING TO BE IN THERE? WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT BUILDING? AND I'M ASKING THIS BECAUSE I AM THINKING ABOUT STUDENTS COMING FROM THE WEST TO THE EAST.

EXACTLY. AND THE YOU KNOW, THE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT ARE IN THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY.

EXACTLY. TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT BUILDING.

SO IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE RELATED TO THE HEALTH SCIENCES.

SO BOTH OT NURSING AND WE'RE REALLY GOING TO TAKE AN INTERPROFESSIONAL APPROACH TO WHAT GOES INTO THE BUILDING AS YOU.

A LOT OF GOOD MEDICINE TODAY TAKES A TEAM APPROACH TO LOOKING AT THINGS.

SO YOU MIGHT HAVE SOCIAL WORKERS, CASE WORKERS AND PEOPLE GETTING EDUCATED TOGETHER ON THAT.

BUT THE FOCUS IS ON THE HEALTH SCIENCES MIGHT HAVE NUTRITION IN THERE AS WELL.

WE IN THE MIDDLE OF PROGRAMING RIGHT NOW.

SO WORKING WITH CONSULTANTS ON DECIDING EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING TO GO IN THE BUILDING AND IT'S GOING TO THE PROMISE IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL BE ABLE TO GRADUATE AN ADDITIONAL 500 NURSES AND I THINK 750.

SO IT'S REALLY I MEAN, THE REASON WE GOT THE MONEY IS TO BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE SHORTAGE OF NURSES.

AND IT'S THE FOCUS IS ALSO GOING TO BE ON RURAL PREPARATION, SO RURAL HEALTH CARE.

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AND SO I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THE THE TRAFFIC PATTERN THAT WOULD BE GOING TO THAT FACILITY, EAST, WEST, EAST-WEST, FROM THE RESIDENTS TO YOUR ACADEMIC TO YOUR DINING HALL.

ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SEE IS THAT MASSIVE.

INSTEAD OF NORTH-SOUTH, IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE MOVING EAST WEST A LOT.

AND SO DO YOU ALL HAVE A KIND OF ANTICIPATION DATE OF WHEN THAT'LL BE COMPLETED THE BUILDING? WHERE IS THAT? 25, 25 JASON AND SO JUST TRYING TO CONNECT THAT TO THE TIMING OF WHEN, BUT REMEMBER THAT THE DINING HALL IS THERE ALREADY NOW AND PARLIAMENT VILLAGE IS ALREADY THERE.

SO PARLIAMENT VILLAGE, WHICH IS ACROSS BEL 875 BEDS, DINING HALL, 600 STUDENTS PER HOUR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN NOT ALL BUSY ALL DAY, BUT THE MEAL TIME. SO IT'S IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.

IT IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN WATTS.

YEAH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

DR. FEIN, THANK YOU FOR COMING.

I MEAN, I WAS MAYOR WHEN YOU FIRST BROUGHT THIS TO THE COMMUNITY.

I KNOW YOU WERE. AND I THINK WE'RE BEING SHORTSIGHTED BY NOT CAREFULLY CONSIDERING THIS BELLE AVENUE WAS CLOSED FOR A YEAR.

THIS IS NOT AVENUE C AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS.

AVENUE C IS ALMOST A MILE LONG AND IT RUNS RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF A SPRAWLING CAMPUS.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU TRAVEL AVENUE C, IF YOU TRAVEL, THAT HAS TO GET SOMEWHERE.

IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S CROSSING THE ROAD AND YOU CERTAINLY WANT TO RESPECT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.

THIS WAS CLOSED FOR A YEAR.

YOU DON'T HAVE YOU'VE GOT TWO OR 3000 STUDENTS ON CAMPUS AND YOU'VE GOT 16,000 STUDENTS WHO ARE REALLY CONCENTRATED IN A FAIRLY SMALL GEOGRAPHICAL AREA.

IT'S A ONE MINUTE TRAFFIC STUDY.

TO SAY THAT PEOPLE CAN'T GET NORTH OF 380 IS, I THINK, A LITTLE SHORTSIGHTED.

I DON'T THINK THE FACTS NECESSARILY GIVE RISE TO THAT.

IT'S A MINUTE DELAY.

PLUS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS FOR US TO WIDEN MINGO AND POSSIBLY RUDEL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PARTNER WITH TEXAS WOMEN'S UNIVERSITY FOR RIGHT OF WAY.

THAT'S CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO I REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP TO SEE HOW WE CAN.

I MEAN, ALL WE TALK ABOUT ON THIS COUNCIL A LOT IS PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND THESE WALKABILITY.

RIGHT. AND THESE KINDS OF THINGS.

AND TO SAY THAT WE'RE HESITANT TO SHUT DOWN A 500 FOOT STRIP BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOMEBODY A MINUTE LONGER TO GET WHERE THEY'RE GOING WHEN IT'S BEEN CLOSED FOR.

AND I TRIED TO DO THAT ONE TIME.

IT'S LIKE, OH, IT'S CLOSED. AND I JUST REALIZED I'M JUST TAKING A DIFFERENT WAY EVERY TIME.

AND IT REALLY WASN'T AN ISSUE AT ALL.

IN FACT, IT WAS BETTER BECAUSE TRYING TO DRIVE THROUGH THE CAMPUS DURING CLASS CHANGE AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT, THEY'RE JUST CROSSING THE STREET.

SO I HOPE THOSE WHO VOTED AGAINST THIS OR WHO DIDN'T GIVE THE DIRECTION LAST TIME WILL CAREFULLY RECONSIDER THIS.

THEY MAY NOT DO IT TODAY, BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD TRULY BE A PARTNERSHIP BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING AND ASKING THE UNIVERSITY FOR THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THIS CITY AND TO THE OVERALL MOBILITY OF THIS CITY.

AND A MUCH GREATER WAY THAN JUST CLOSING A 500 STRIP ON ON BELL AVENUE.

YOU'VE GOT LOCUST STREET.

YOU CAN COME DOWN THROUGH DALE.

I MEAN, IF PEOPLE ARE USING BELLE TO GET FROM AND BELLE IS AN ARTERIAL, BUT IT'S AN ARTERIAL PRIMARILY AS IT COMES THROUGH DALLAS DRIVE GETS UP TO MCKINNEY STREET AND GETS YOU OVER TO MINGO.

I DON'T THINK YOU SEE THE TRAFFIC AS MUCH TRAFFIC ON BELLE GOING THROUGH THE CAMPUS, COMING IN THERE AS YOU DO, GOING OUT.

SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS AND I HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S FORWARD THINKING.

I THINK IT PROVIDES AN ADDED MEASURE OF SAFETY AND CONVENIENCE FOR THE UNIVERSITY.

WE DO HAVE OTHER ISSUES IN THE CITY SIMILAR TO THIS.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WE TAKE PAINSTAKING EFFORT TO SOLVE THEM LIKE WE DID ON EAGLE DRIVE, WHERE WE RECONFIGURED THE WHOLE ROAD.

THEY PUT IT ON A ROAD DIET, I BELIEVE, IS WHAT THEY CALLED IT, TO PUT IN PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE LANES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.

SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS.

I MEAN, I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE OBJECTIONS ARE AND HOW CAN WE RESOLVE THOSE.

I DON'T THINK A PLAN B IS GOING TO GET YOU THERE.

I THINK WHEN WE HAVE MINGO ROAD AND RUDEL AND WE GET THAT ON THE MOBILITY PLAN, WE DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS THERE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THERE.

SO I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS.

I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT SEEM TO BE THE OBJECTIONS, BUT I'M NOT SO SURE THAT THEY'RE BASED UPON THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT.

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THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE I STAND.

AND I'VE ALWAYS STOOD THIS BECAUSE I THINK IN THE LONG RUN FOR THE FUTURE OF THE UNIVERSITY, FOR THE FUTURE OF STUDENT SAFETY AND MOBILITY, AND FOR THE FUTURE OF THE CITY OF DENTON'S MOBILITY PLAN THROUGH MINGO ROAD AND RUDEL.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION THAT BENEFITS BOTH OF US IN A WIN WIN SITUATION.

I. I TOTALLY BELIEVE THAT.

AND I THINK TO I MEAN, I DID NOT PRESENT FACTS ABOUT THE SAFETY AND THE, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.

SO THIS IS MY OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS PERSPECTIVE AND PUT IT ON THE TABLE.

AND SO WE CAN TOGETHER MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS MAGUIRE.

AND THEN MCGEE. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU AGAIN AND FOR DOING US A GREAT COURTESY OF COMING AND EXPLAINING THIS PERSONALLY.

I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.

I THINK IT'S FAIR FOR ME TO GIVE YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT DEEPER DIVE INTO WHERE I AM ON THE PROJECT AND WHERE I WAS BEFORE AND WHERE I STILL AM TODAY.

ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF LAST CENTURY, WE ADOPTED THIS URBAN PLANNING IDEA WHERE WE WERE GOING TO MAKE STREETS LESS STRAIGHT AND LESS GRID.

LIKE WE'RE GOING TO START GETTING KIND OF DENDRITIC LIKE BRANCHES.

WE'RE GOING TO START HAVING ISOLATED AREAS THAT WERE SEPARATE FROM EACH OTHER WHERE IT WAS DIFFICULT FOR EVERYBODY CARS, CYCLISTS, PEDESTRIANS TO MOVE BACK AND FORTH. THIS CITY IS LITTERED WITH THE REMAINS OF 1950S, 1960S PLANNING IN THE DINI NEIGHBORHOOD, KIND OF STREET, USED TO GO STRAIGHT ACROSS AND RESIDENTS COULD GET BACK AND FORTH TO A GROCERY STORE THAT USED TO BE ON THE UNDER SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY.

THEY COULDN'T DO THAT ANYMORE.

AND NOW THE GROCERY STORE IS GONE.

JUST TO THE EAST OF Y'ALL IS BOYD STREET, WHERE RESIDENTS ON BOTH ENDS OF BOYD USED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO 380 FROM THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND NOW THEY'RE COMPLETELY ISOLATED BY THE RAILROAD TRACK. AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED A BETTER CROSSING DOWN HERE.

SO WE CLOSED THE BOYD CROSSING OVER HERE.

ONE OF THE TWO GREATEST MISTAKES OF URBAN PLANNING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LAST CENTURY.

ONE WAY STREETS AND CLOSING OFF ROADS, CLOSING OFF THE GRID, CUTTING THE GRID.

AND WE'VE DONE IT SO MUCH AS THE CITY.

WE'VE DONE IT TO OURSELVES.

TEXAS STREET, NOT FAR FROM YOU, ALL THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF YOUR CAMPUS.

WE DID THE SAME THING ON TEXAS STREET, AND WE KIND OF CUT OUR NOSE OFF DESPITE OUR FACE.

IT FITS THE PROJECT. AT THE TIME, I DON'T THINK IT'S SHOWING FORESIGHT TO CUT OFF MAJOR ROADWAYS THAT CONNECT BIG PARTS OF OUR CITY.

WITH ALL RESPECT TO THE ENGINEERS, FOR INSTANCE, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF ENGINEERING, BUT IT JUST MAKES WHAT WE HAVE NOW A GOOD FUNCTIONING ROAD WHEN IT'S NOT UNDER CONSTRUCTION, A GOOD FUNCTIONING ROAD THAT SERVES ALL USERS, THAT CAN BE MADE SAFER BUT SERVES ALL USERS.

AND IT TAKES THAT AWAY FROM THE CITIZENS, AND IT DOES SO AT A PRICE.

I DISAGREE WITH THE ONE MINUTE.

THAT'S ONE MINUTE. IF YOU ARE CLEARING EVERY LIGHT, IF YOU'RE NOT STOPPING IT, STOP SIGNS.

IF THERE'S NOT ALREADY TRAFFIC.

AND THAT'S ONE MINUTE BASED ON BUILDING OUT ROADS TO WHAT PLACES THAT WE NEED TO BUILD THEM OUT TO ANYWAY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO ON BELL.

SO RESPECTFULLY, IF IT IS A MINUTE, THAT'S THE CITIZENS MINUTE, THAT'S A MINUTE.

THEIR TAX DOLLARS ALREADY PAID FOR.

THERE'S ALWAYS PROS AND CONS TO EVERYTHING.

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.

SO IT'S A MATTER OF WEIGHING WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PRIORITY, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE ARE ALWAYS PROS AND CONS AND DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

AND, YOU KNOW, I FELT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ME TO BRING THIS PERSPECTIVE OF THE SAFETY OF THE STUDENTS.

IT IS MY PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP THE STUDENTS SAFE ON THE CAMPUS, AND I TOTALLY CAN SEE THE DISASTER AHEAD.

SO I WOULDN'T BE DOING MY JOB IF I WASN'T PRESENTING THIS TO YOU.

AND HOPEFULLY TOGETHER WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION AND NOTHING IS EVER PERFECT.

SO THERE'S ALWAYS YOU ALWAYS GIVE UP SOMETHING, BUT YOU HAVE TO WEIGH YOUR OPTIONS, I GUESS.

SURE. AND JUST TO TO TOUCH ON THE SAFETY PIECE, I DON'T THINK THAT WE I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT ODDS AT ALL ABOUT THE IDEA OF SAFETY AND KEEPING PEDESTRIANS SAFE.

BUT AGAIN, I POINT TO AVENUE C AND I DON'T HAVE THE STATISTICS IN FRONT OF ME.

IT IS A LARGER STRETCH AND THIS STRETCH HAS BEEN CLOSED.

WE DID HEAR FROM LOTS OF FOLKS WHILE IT'S BEEN CLOSED AND THAT'S CONSTRUCTION.

THAT'S ROAD CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S WHAT WE DO WHEN WE DEAL WITH THAT.

BUT AVENUE C CAN BE MADE SAFE AND THERE'S MORE STUDENTS MOVING BACK AND FORTH.

I WALKED AT MANY TIMES AS A STUDENT.

I DRIVE IT MANY TIMES AS A AS A MOTORIST.

WE CAN MAKE THIS STRETCH SAFE ALSO AND HAVE IT AVAILABLE TO TO OUR CITY.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

I THINK IT'S BETTER URBAN PLANNING OVERALL FOR THE CITY TO LOOK AT WAYS TO CALM THE TRAFFIC THERE AND NOT CLOSE THE STREET.

SURE, WE'RE NOT CLOSING THE STREET.

IT'S 550 FEET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CAMPUS, CLOSING 550 FEET OF BELLE AVENUE FROM MAGUIRE.

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ARE WE POSTED TO GIVE DIRECTION TODAY? IT'S NOT POSTED EXPLICITLY TO GIVE DIRECTION, BUT IT'S BEEN THE HISTORIC PRACTICE OF THE COUNCIL.

WHEN THERE'S A PRESENTATION LIKE THIS TO START GIVING AT LEAST SOME FEEDBACK FOR THE STAFF TO WORK FROM.

SO I LAST TIME THIS CAME BEFORE US.

I DID NOT GIVE ANY DIRECTION AT ALL.

AND THE THING THAT THAT CAUSED ME TO HESITATE WAS, WERE EXACTLY THE CONCERNS THAT WERE JUST ARTICULATED BY COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

I'M REALLY NOT CONCERNED ABOUT MOTORISTS HAVING TO ADD AN EXTRA MINUTE TO THEIR TRIP.

I THAT'S THAT'S NOT A BIG ISSUE TO ME.

THE MUCH BIGGER ISSUE IS, YEAH, THE FACT THAT WE WE THERE ARE ONLY A FEW PARTS OF OUR CITY THAT HAVE A GRID BASED ROADWAY NETWORK AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM.

AND CLOSING BELL WITH CLOSING 550 FEET OF BELL IS GOING TO PUSH A LARGER VOLUME OF OF CAR TRAFFIC ONTO LOCUST ELM EVENTUALLY.

RIDDELL AUDRA.

I COULD FIND MY WAY TO SUPPORTING THIS IF, AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION WITH NPR.

IF WE CAN FIND WAYS TO ADD MORE CROSSINGS, I.

WELL, LET ME ASK THIS AS A QUESTION TO BECKY.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M LOOKING AT SHAWNEE STREET AND MOZINGO STREET.

IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE CITY ALREADY OWNS THE RIGHT OF WAY TO CONNECT THOSE TWO.

BUT IT'S NOT IN THE MOBILITY PLAN TO CONNECT THOSE TWO.

I'M GUESSING IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE PRR.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL? I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION.

IF THERE'S NOT CURRENTLY A CROSSING THERE, THEN IT'S THE TRADE OFF.

I WAS JUST EXPLAINING TO COUNCILMEMBER BECK WHERE REALLY WHAT THE RAILROAD IS REQUESTING NOW IS TO TRADE ONE CROSSING FOR THREE EXISTING LOCATIONS.

WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM ON THE RUDELL MINGO AREA TO TRADE TWO CROSSINGS FOR ONE NEW CROSSING LOCATION TO LINE THOSE OUT.

CAN YOU CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY WHEN YOU SAY TRADING ONE CROSSING FOR TWO? ABSOLUTELY. YOU HAVE TO TAKE TWO EXISTING CROSSINGS OUT OF COMMISSION IN ORDER TO RECEIVE ONE NEW CROSSING.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE WILLIS CROSSING AND THE CROSSING THAT WOULD BE AT PERTAIN, OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RAILROAD WOULD BE TO REMOVE BOTH OF THOSE PHYSICAL CROSSINGS, ROADWAY CROSSINGS, TO GET TO MINGO STREET IN EXCHANGE FOR A NEW.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. A NEW CROSSING.

I TALK WITH MY HANDS. A NEW CROSSING AT RUDEL OK.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS.

AND IS THAT LIKE AN FRA REGULATION OR IS THAT JUST THOSE ARE THE TERMS THAT UPPER IS NEGOTIATING? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

I'M HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THAT.

BUT I DO KNOW THAT THAT IS THE STANDARD PRACTICE THAT WE ARE UNDERSTANDING, BECAUSE IF IT'S JUST A CHANGED OC, THAT IS THAT'S KIND OF USED TO BE A ONE FOR ONE.

IT IS NOW A ONE FOR TWO OR IN SOME CASES A ONE FOR THREE.

SO I'M HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THE ACTUAL WHY BEHIND WE'RE BEING REQUESTED TO DO THAT AND HAPPY TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE FRIDAY REPORT IF NECESSARY.

YEAH, I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED BECAUSE IF IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE NEGOTIATED, THEN MAYBE WE COULD NEGOTIATE DIFFERENTLY.

BUT IF IT'S AN FRA REGULATION, THEN THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.

AND I WOULD JUST MENTION IT'S NOT A NEGOTIATION.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT TRULY THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE'RE BEING TOLD.

IT'S THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN FRA REQUIREMENT OR SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY FROM THE INDIVIDUAL RAILROAD THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT RAILROADS THAT GO THROUGH THE CITY OF DENTON.

SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING BEING NEGOTIATED, IT'S A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT.

SO THERE'S BASICALLY THERE'S NO SCENARIO IN WHICH WE COULD ADD MORE CROSSINGS.

YOU HAVE TO REMOVE MULTIPLE EXISTING CROSSINGS TO ADD A NEW CROSSING.

LIKE I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE'S NO SCENARIO IN WHICH THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CROSSINGS COULD GET LARGER.

IT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT THE ALIGNMENTS AND MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS WITH UPR.

I'M NOT AWARE OF A SITUATION WHERE WE WOULD BE REMOVING EXISTING CROSSINGS AND GAINING MORE CROSSINGS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

THAT IS WHAT I'M ASKING BECAUSE I MEAN, THIS ISSUE WOULD BE SOLVED IF WE COULD GET A CROSSING AT RODEL AND A CROSSING AT BOYD AND A CROSSING AT MASINGA.

RIGHT. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

THAT IS THAT IS CURRENTLY WHAT WE UNDERSTAND.

AND THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE REASON WHY WE HAD THE ITEM THAT WAS LISTED IS TO START DOING SOME OF THOSE INITIAL DETERMINATIONS.

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I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT THIS IS THE STANDARD PROCEDURE THAT'S HAPPENING ON ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT MAYBE IS IN A GREENFIELD AREA.

OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

YEAH. SO I THINK MY DIRECTION IS THAT I AM WILLING TO RECONSIDER THIS.

I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WORK SESSION ON IT, WE NEED MORE INFORMATION THAN THIS.

WE NEED A LOT MORE SPECIFICITY.

WE NEED THE INFORMATION THAT THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED FROM NPR AND FROM THE FRAY.

I DO THINK THAT I'M I'M ENCOURAGED BY THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE ROADWAY FOR EVERYONE.

RIGHT. IT'S THERE WILL THERE WILL STILL BE EMERGENCY ACCESS AND THERE WILL STILL BE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.

AND ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS THAT I'M SUCH AN ADVOCATE FOR GRID BASED ROADWAY NETWORKS IS BECAUSE IT MAKES THINGS EASIER FOR CYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS.

RIGHT. RIGHT.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT WE WOULD BE REMOVING THIS PART OF THE GRID FOR EVERYONE.

WE WOULD BE REMOVING THIS PART OF THE GRID FOR MOTORISTS.

SO I AM I AM OPEN TO RECONSIDERING THIS, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE NEED WE NEED A MORE DETAILED PROPOSAL WHEN WE COME BACK TO IT.

AND I THINK LOOKING AT THOSE TRAFFIC STUDIES MIGHT BE HELPFUL AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, THINK BECAUSE THEY REALLY DID THAT ANALYSIS LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER WAS MENTIONED ABOUT WHO GOES THROUGH AND THAT KIND OF THING.

SO IT'S THE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING ROADS, ETC..

SO IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO LOOK AT THAT.

OKAY. KATHERINE MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WANT TO COMPLETELY COSIGN ON WHAT MY COLLEAGUE, MR. DAVIS SAID. IF THE TRAFFIC STUDY SAID, ONE MINUTE, OK.

I'M NOT HERE TO DISPUTE THE RESULTS OF A TRAFFIC STUDY.

I CAN SIMPLY SAY, AS SOMEBODY WHO'S DRIVING A TRUCK FOR TEN YEARS, IT AIN'T GONNA BE A MINUTE.

IT'S GOING TO BE LONGER THAN A MINUTE.

IF YOU HIT EVERY LIGHT AND THERE'S NO TRAFFIC AT THREE IN THE MORNING, PERHAPS IT'S ONE MINUTE I CAN GET TO.

YES AS WELL. I SHARE MANY OF THE SAME CONCERNS WITH MR. MCGUIRE. WHAT WILL GET ME TO YES AND THIS IS PROBABLY MY DIRECTION TO STAFF WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF I APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY PERHAPS A LITTLE BIT MORE BETWEEN THE UNIVERSITY AND CITY REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD NORTH OF CAMPUS.

I BELIEVE THAT THIS ROAD HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN PARTIALLY FOR A WHILE.

I DO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OLD THE OLD ADAGE, IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME.

I DO BELIEVE THAT IF THIS ROAD IS REOPENED, FOLKS WILL GO BACK TO USING IT AS A THOROUGHFARE.

I AM FINE WITH IT, BUT I WANT THE PEOPLE TO TELL ME THAT THIS IS WHAT THIS IS THEIR WISH, THAT THIS THIS SECTION OF ROADWAY IS TO BE SHUT DOWN.

AND THEN I'M AN EASY YES, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO JUST GET A LITTLE BIT MORE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, HOWEVER THAT MIGHT BE, WHETHER IT'S AN ONLINE FORUM OR A COMMUNITY MEETING, WHATEVER, SO THAT I CAN GET TO YES.

TO. SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. OK ANYONE ELSE? WE'RE ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE AT 248, SO ABOUT 1520 OVER COUNCILMAN BYRD OK.

JUST VERY QUICKLY AND I APPRECIATE THIS STILL BEING UP HERE, BUT IN MY MIND I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN.

THIS IS LIKE PLAN B AND MY MIND I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD IF YOU ALL COULD PUT UP SOME TYPE OF BARRIER UP ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT ROADWAY TO MANAGE THE PEOPLE AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF REALLY NICE GRAPHIC FENCING OR SOMETHING WHERE YOU CAN'T CLIMB OVER IT AND GET ACROSS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT MIGHT JUST THROW THAT IN THE POT.

SO THIS IS IT'S A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION.

AND ACTUALLY, HISTORICALLY AND ON THE CAMPUS AT YOU, WE WOULD HAVE THOSE HAVE THOSE PLANNING THINKING ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST CROSSING AREAS FOR STUDENTS.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU PUT THE THE AREAS AND ETC., YOU FACILITATE THAT.

BUT GUESS WHAT? THAT IS NOT WHERE PEOPLE CROSS.

AND SO EVENTUALLY I THINK BETTER PLANNING STARTED LOOKING AT WHERE IS THE HEAVY TRAFFIC GOING, WHAT ARE THE BUILDINGS BACK AND FORTH.

SO IF YOU HAVE TWO BUILDINGS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, YOU CAN'T SEND THE STUDENTS ALL THE WAY AROUND THAT.

THAT IS REALLY NOT SO.

I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THE CREATIVE THINKING, BUT ANYWAY, GUESS WHAT? REAL QUICK. I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I KNOW WE'RE OVER.

I'LL MAKE IT BRIEF. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF THE GRID AND HOW DENTON IS PLANNING OVER CLOSE TO 80 YEARS HAS BEEN NOT WHAT WE WOULD NOW CONSIDER BEST PRACTICES.

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AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC STUDY ON THE ONE MINUTE LOOK, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY MEASURED THAT FROM, BUT I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE MEASURING IT FROM THE LIGHT AT TEXAS STREET, IF YOU TAKE THAT YOU HEAD OVER TO LOCUST, THAT MIGHT BE THE MINUTE, BECAUSE ONCE YOU HIT LOCUST, THERE'S NO LIGHT UNTIL UNIVERSITY DRIVE.

THAT'S RIGHT. YOU KEEP GOING THROUGH THE CAMPUS.

YOU'VE GOT STUDENTS CROSSING, YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE LIGHTS, YOU GOT ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

SO I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE GRID, BUT THIS WASN'T BUILT WHEN WE HAD THAT PHILOSOPHY, AND THEREFORE I'M NOT SO SURE WE SHOULD HOLD THEM TO THAT SAME STANDARD.

BUT I RESPECT THOSE DECISIONS AND I'M GLAD THAT HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION BECAUSE IF WE PUT MORE TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES THROUGH HERE TO TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN, THAT'S ONLY GOING TO DECREASE THAT ONE MINUTE ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY DOWN TO THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE.

IN FACT, IT MAY EVEN BE LONGER.

RIGHT. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN LEFT OUT OF THE CONVERSATION AND MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IS IF WE DO IMPLEMENT SOME TYPE OF MORE TRAFFIC CALMING PROCEDURES AND DEVICES, WHAT DOES IT DO TO THE IMPACT OF THAT STUDY? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ASSUMPTIONS WERE ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO GET FAMILIAR WITH.

BUT I JUST THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR THE CONVERSATION AND THE WILLINGNESS TO CONSIDER ALL THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS AND PERSPECTIVES.

YOU KNOW ANYONE ELSE SEEING? I WOULD SAY MY PARTNER AND CITY MANAGER OR STAFF.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. I THINK I'M CLEAR ON WHO SAID WHAT, BUT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

MAKE SURE YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED BEFORE WE MOVE ON.

FOR ME, IT'S INTERESTING.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN BECKY'S TEAM BROUGHT THE THE I DON'T KNOW WHICH STUDY IT WAS, BUT IT WAS WE WERE TOLD AS A BODY THAT IT SAFETY IS THE FIRST PRIORITY.

IT'S NOT LISTED ONE, BUT IT'S OK THIS COUNCIL.

HEY, NO, WE WANT IT LISTED ONE.

IT HAS TO BE LISTED FIRST.

IT HAS TO BE A FIRST PRIORITY.

IT HAS TO BE. AND THOSE ALL MEETINGS ARE RECORDED.

PEOPLE CAN GO LOOK AT THAT AND VALIDATE THAT THEMSELVES.

SO I FIND IT INTERESTING IN THIS CONVERSATION WHEN WE'RE SAYING, HEY, THIS THERE IS A HISTORY OF SOMEONE LEAVING THIS UNIVERSITY AND GETTING STRUCK BY A CAR.

THAT'S A FACT.

UNDISPUTED. IT'S AND THEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE OPTICS.

THAT'S WHERE I GO BACK TO.

SO THE OPTICS ARE CHALLENGING FOR ME BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE OPTICS OF TO SAY.

THE SAFETY IS A PRIMARY PRIORITY IRRESPECTIVE, BUT WE WANT IT LISTED, NUMBER ONE, FOR THE OPTICS OF IT SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THOSE ARE IMPORTANT. THEN YOU PIVOT AND YOU SAY, LOOK AT THE OPTICS OF THIS.

WE CLOSE THE ENTIRETY OF BELL AVENUE FOR CONSTRUCTION.

BUT WE'RE NOT WILLING TO CLOSE A SEGMENT OF IT FOR SAFETY OR PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS.

THAT'S A BAD OPTIC TO ME, RIGHT? YOU'RE SAYING? OKAY, WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCTION, SURE, WE'LL SHUT IT DOWN.

PEDESTRIANS, I'M HESITANT.

YOU KNOW, IF IF IT'S THAT VITAL, THEN YOU WOULD SAY WE CAN NEVER CLOSE IT EVEN FOR CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE IT'S VITAL.

RIGHT. AND SO THE OPTICS OF THAT ARE BAD TO ME.

THE INTERESTING THING, FORWARD LOOKING, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT I-35 AND KIND OF THAT MOBILITY, LOOK AT THINGS WE'RE SAYING, HEY, 35 W IS GOING TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. WE HAVE TO GET BONNIE BRAE FINISHED SO THAT IT CAN BE A KIND OF AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE FOR PEOPLE COMING INTO TOWN.

THAT'S THAT'S LIKE FOR LIKE VERSUS US SAYING, OKAY, WELL, 535 IS GOING TO BE IN A CONSTRUCTION.

LET'S OPEN UP AND JUST RANDOM STREET, YOU KNOW, LOCUST STREET.

IT'S NOT THE SAME THING, RIGHT? IT'S NOT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME CAPACITY.

IT DOESN'T. AND SO FOR ME, YOU KNOW, AND THEN TO TAKE SHOTS AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS INTERESTING.

I WANT TO NOTE THAT BECAUSE I'VE TAKEN SHOTS AT TRAFFIC STUDIES JUST NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE DOWN ON MINGO, WHERE THOSE TOWNHOMES ARE GOING IN.

AND I AND I STUDIED IT WITH STAFF, BACKWARDS INFORMANTS, AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THEY LOOKED AT ALL ANGLES.

THOSE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS ARE NOT JUST WINGING IT.

THEY'RE NOT SAYING, HEY, LET ME FIND OPTIMAL AND REPORT THAT BACK.

THEY'RE REALLY USED TO PEOPLE POKING HOLES IN THEIR THEORIES.

AND SO I'M CERTAIN THEY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND.

AND SO TO JUST SHOOT FROM THE HIP IN THIS ROOM AND SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S RIGHT.

YEAH, I JUST I JUST AND I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU, I TOOK THAT FIRSTHAND, TOOK THAT TRIP DOWN NOT TOO FAR FROM MINGO, YOU KNOW, JUST SAYING, HEY, I DON'T BELIEVE IT, BECAUSE IT WAS TALKING ABOUT A TRAIN AND IT WAS A TRAIN AND THEY WERE LIKE, OH, IT DOESN'T CAUSE ANY DELAYS.

I WAS LIKE, MAN, WHATEVER.

AND WENT DOWN THAT ROAD AND WENT STEP BY STEP WITH STAFF.

AND EVERY TIME I RAISE AN ISSUE, IT WAS ADDRESSED IN THAT STUDY.

SO I AM A SOMEWHAT OF A BELIEVER JUST IN FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE.

SO FOR ME, I THINK MY MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO COME BACK WITH A WORK SESSION, TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, AND IT WOULD BE SIMPLY AROUND THIS IF I UNDERSTAND THIS STRETCH.

RIGHT. AND FOR THOSE AND LET ME LET ME GO BACK TO THIS, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE PEOPLE LIKE ME, THERE MAY NOT BE.

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SO THAT'S A FOOTBALL FIELD AND THEN ANOTHER FOOTBALL FIELD.

BUT FOR THE END ZONES, FOR THOSE THAT THAT NEED VISUAL.

SO BASICALLY TWO FOOTBALL FIELDS IS IS A STRETCH.

AND SO FOR ME, IT WOULD COME BACK AND WE'D HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TO SAY, IF I UNDERSTAND THE STRETCH.

RIGHT, I THINK THE NORTHERN PORTION IS CHAPEL.

RIGHT. IS THAT RIGHT, NORTH.

YEAH. SO YOU CAN TAKE CHAPEL THROUGH CAMPUS AND GET OUT TO WHEREVER YOU WANT TO GO, RIGHT? IT'S THE SCENIC ROUTE.

SO WE'RE NOT SHUTTING OFF ANY YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S ABOUT CONVENIENCE.

BUT RIGHT NOW, AS IT SITS, YOU CAN GO FROM CHAPEL TO WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S LOCUS.

OR YOU CAN GO FROM YOU GO, YEAH, YEAH.

AND YOU CAN GO THE OTHER WAY AS WELL.

I MEAN, BECAUSE MATTER OF FACT, I COME IN THE BACK WAY WHEN I'M GOING TO BASKETBALL GAMES.

I COME IN THE BACK WAY OFF OF MINGO TO AVOID BELLE.

RIGHT. YEAH.

AND SO RIGHT NOW IT FUNCTIONS WITHOUT THAT STRETCH AS BUILT.

NOW WE CAN ENHANCE THAT AND WE CAN DO BETTER THINGS.

BUT AS IT IS, AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW, IT FUNCTIONS.

YOU CAN GET THROUGH NOW. AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT FROM A JUST KIND OF A PLANNING STANDPOINT OF WHAT KIND OF WORKS BEST AND ARE WE UNDERSTANDING THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET IN THE CAMPUS AND SAY, HEY, I CAN'T GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A RIGHT HERE AND SEE WHERE IT GOES AND MEANDER THROUGH.

ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT OR ARE WE NOT JUST KIND OF I WANT TO LOOK WHAT THE NEXT PHASE AND WHAT THOSE ACTIONS ARE, BUT THAT REALLY IS FOR ME, THE NEXT STEP IN THIS.

BUT YEAH, JUST WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IT JUST WE HEAR ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THOSE OPTICS THAT LINE UP WITH THAT.

IF IT IF IT MATTERS FOR US TO CHANGE TO THE MAJORITY OF US TO CHANGE A DOCUMENT THAT HAD NO CONSEQUENCES, I THINK IT MATTERS FOR US TO HAVE THAT IN PRACTICE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PHYSICAL STREETS AND VERSUS JUST GIVING IT LIP SERVICE ON A POWERPOINT AND NOT ACTING ON THAT.

AND SO AND JUST HAVING NO DATA.

RIGHT. I MEAN, IF THE DATA SAYS IT'S ONE MINUTE LONGER, THEN IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THAT DATA, THEN I'D LOVE TO SEE SOMEONE BRING FORWARD DIFFERENT DATA THAT WOULD SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S NOT RIGHT TO HAVE SOMEONE TRY TO SPEND MONEY TO DISPROVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE TO BE TRUE.

I THINK IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT TO BE TRUE, GO FIND A TRAFFIC EXPERT AND HAVE THAT YOUR OWN STUDY DONE AT YOUR EXPENSE TO DISPROVE THAT OR FIND YOUR OWN PERSON, THAT SORT OF THING. BUT DON'T JUST TAKE POT SHOTS AT THE WORK DONE.

AND ALSO YOU BET YOU'RE WELCOME TO I DID IT.

I SAT DOWN WITH STAFF AND SAID, HEY, STEP ME THROUGH THIS.

AND SO.

THE EXISTING STUDY. IF YOU FIND HOLES IN IT, BRING IT BACK SO THAT WE CAN ALL BE AWARE OF THOSE THINGS.

BUT CITY MANAGER, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU TO SEE WHERE YOU ARE.

SO, MAYOR, WE HAVE FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE WILLING TO HEAR IT AGAIN.

IT'LL TAKE US SOME TIME AND WANT TO WORK WITH YOU AND T.W..

OH. I DON'T THINK THEY'LL BE INTERESTED.

WE'LL WORK WITH BOTH THEM, BUT WE WORK WITH BOTH OF THEM.

BUT WE WILL SIT DOWN AND WORK THROUGH THIS.

BECKY STAFF AND CHANCELLOR STAFF TO COME BACK AT A TIME TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL, SORT OF THE OVERALL PLAN.

OK VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.

YES, VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM B, WHICH IS ID 212810.

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding Audit Project 028 - Warehouse Operations. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

LU MAYOR MADISON RORSCHACH DENTON CITY AUDITOR.

TRY TO GET US BACK ON SCHEDULE.

AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT OUR FINDINGS FROM OUR AUDIT COVERING THE CITY'S WAREHOUSE INVENTORY MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.

SO TO BEGIN, THIS AUDIT GENERALLY EVALUATED THE CONTROLS AND PROCESSES IMPLEMENTED BY THE CITY TO ENSURE WAREHOUSE INVENTORY IS ADEQUATELY MANAGED, INCLUDING EFFECTIVE ASSET SAFEGUARDS AND THE INVENTORY ORDERING, DISTRIBUTION AND DISPOSAL PROCEDURES.

THE WAREHOUSE PROVIDES A CENTRALIZED LOCATION FOR ABOUT 4600 INVENTORY ITEMS PROCURED THROUGH CONTRACTS THAT ARE VALUED AROUND $75 MILLION.

AND SO FOR THAT REASON, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ENSURE PROPER CONTROLS ARE ESTABLISHED TO ADEQUATELY MONITOR, RECORD STOCK, DISTRIBUTE AND DISPOSE OF INVENTORY.

SO SPECIFICALLY, THIS AUDIT EVALUATED THE INVENTORY ORDERING, DISTRIBUTION, MONITORING AND DISPOSAL PROCESSES.

SO I'LL BEGIN BY DISCUSSING THE ORDERING PROCESS.

SO THE CITY HAS CREATED A CENTRALIZED WAREHOUSE THAT PROMOTES EFFICIENCY THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION BY CENTRALIZING THE ORDERING, RECEIVING AND STORAGE PROCESSES FOR ITEMS FREQUENTLY NEEDED BY DEPARTMENTS WHEN CARRYING OUT THEIR FUNCTIONS.

SUCH AND THOSE ITEMS INCLUDE THINGS LIKE AIR FILTERS, GLOVES, NUTS AND BOLTS, PIPE AND MORE.

IN ORDER TO BE EFFECTIVE, THE WAREHOUSE MUST ENSURE THAT IT HAS ITEMS THAT IT HAS THE ITEMS ITS CUSTOMERS NEEDS WHEN THEY ARE NEEDED.

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THESE AGREEMENTS SPECIFICALLY TOY BRAND MODEL AND MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM QUANTITIES TO BE STOCKED.

ONCE THE ITEMS ARE CONSIDERED STOCKED, THE WAREHOUSE IS ABLE TO ORDER THE ITEM BASED ON THE MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM QUANTITIES.

AND WHILE THE DEPARTMENT IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THAT THERE IS AN ACTIVE CONTRACT, THE WAREHOUSE IS THE PRIMARY MANAGER OF THE CONTRACT TO ENSURE THAT THE TERMS ARE BEING MET. IN ADDITION, INVENTORY ITEM ORDERING DUTIES GENERALLY APPEAR TO BE APPROPRIATE, AS ONLY AUTHORIZED ITEMS CAN BE ORDERED BY WAREHOUSE SPECIALISTS.

AND THESE ORDERS MUST BE APPROVED BY THE WAREHOUSE SUPERVISOR.

BASED ON A JUDGMENT SAMPLE OF 15 RECENT INVENTORY ORDERS, 14 WERE PURCHASED PURCHASED UNDER AN ESTABLISHED CONTRACT.

IN ADDITION, WE REVIEWED A STATISTICAL SAMPLE OF 94 INVENTORY ORDERS AND FOUND THAT 91% HAD APPROPRIATE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION, STILL DEVELOPMENT OF STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES DETAILING HOW ORDERS SHOULD BE RECEIVED IN STOCK TO PROVIDE STAFF WITH INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, FACILITATE CONSISTENCY AND HELP NAVIGATE EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. THE WAREHOUSE HAS ALSO DEVELOPED A PROCESS TO MONITOR INVENTORY STOCK LEVELS EACH WEEK TO DETERMINE WHAT ITEMS NEED TO BE ORDERED.

THIS PROCESS REQUIRES WAREHOUSE STAFF TO PULL SEVERAL REPORTS FROM THE CITY'S FINANCIAL SYSTEM INTO AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET THAT THEN CALCULATES THE QUANTITY NEEDED BASED ON CURRENTLY STOCKED AMOUNTS, UPCOMING PROJECTS AND THE AGREED MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM LEVELS, AS WELL AS THE ESTIMATED TIME IT TAKES FOR AN ORDER TO BE FILLED.

WAREHOUSE STAFF THEN HAVE TO REVIEW SEVERAL THOUSAND LINES OF THE SPREADSHEET TO MANUALLY IDENTIFY THE LOW STOCK ITEMS AND DETERMINE HOW MUCH THEY NEED TO ORDER.

SO WHILE THE WAREHOUSE HAS DEVELOPED A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE TO HELP GUIDE STAFF, POTENTIAL IMPLEMENTATION OF AN INVENTORY MONITORING SOFTWARE COULD IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCY OF THE INVENTORY ORDERING PROCESS AND REDUCE THE RISK THAT ITEMS ARE NOT ORDERED TIMELY.

IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT LEAD TIMES OR THE TIME IT TAKES FOR AN ORDER TO BE FILLED HAVE INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY RECENTLY DUE TO GLOBAL SUPPLY CHAIN CHALLENGES.

AND IN RESPONSE TO THIS, THE WAREHOUSE HAS RECENTLY ADJUSTED THEIR EXCEL SPREADSHEET CALCULATIONS FOR CERTAIN CRUCIAL, CRUCIAL INVENTORY ITEMS BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH DEPARTMENTS. ONCE STOCKED INVENTORY ITEMS ARE AVAILABLE FOR CUSTOMERS TO USE FOR CITY BUSINESS IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THESE ITEMS ARE ADEQUATELY SAFEGUARDED AND ACCURATELY CHARGED.

ORGANIZATIONS TYPICALLY ESTABLISH A PICKING PROCESS WHEREBY CUSTOMERS PLACE ORDERS AND WAREHOUSE STAFF, COLLECT THE ITEMS FROM THE WAREHOUSE AND PREPARE THEM FOR PICKUP IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THE ACTUAL ORDERING PROCESS.

THE CITY'S WAREHOUSE HAS CREATED A STOCK REQUISITION FORM SO THAT CUSTOMERS MAY IDENTIFY WHICH ITEMS THEY NEED AND SUBMIT THE REQUEST FOR THOSE TO BE PICKED EITHER VIA EMAIL OR IN PERSON BASED ON THIS ORDER.

WAREHOUSE STAFF THEN CREATE A PICK SLIP THAT LISTS THE ITEMS AND QUANTITIES ORDERED, AND THE PINK SLIP PROCESS ALSO CHARGES THE CUSTOMER'S DEPARTMENT ACCOUNT FOR THE ITEM SO THAT INSTEAD OF IT BEING IN THE WAREHOUSES INVENTORY ACCOUNT, IT'S CHARGED TO THE DEPARTMENT CORRECTLY.

CUSTOMERS ARE THEN REQUIRED TO CERTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED THE ITEMS UPON PICKUP VIA SIGNATURE.

IN ORDER TO ASSESS THIS PROCESS, WE REVIEWED A STATISTICAL SAMPLE OF 380 PROCESSED CUSTOMER ORDERS AND FOUND THAT ABOUT 60% DID NOT HAVE ADEQUATE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION WHICH INCLUDED THE REQUISITION FORM, PICK SLIP AND THE CUSTOMER'S SIGNATURE OF RECEIPT.

BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH WAREHOUSE STAFF, THEY TOLD US THAT THEY BEGAN UPDATING THEIR INTERNAL PROCESSES IN JULY OF 2021.

SO FOR THAT REASON WE COMPARED SUPPORT DOCUMENTATION, ACCURACY PRE AND POST THAT DATE.

AND SO BASED ON THAT COMPARISON, WE FOUND THAT PRIOR TO JULY 2021, ONLY 26% OF ORDERS HAD ADEQUATE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION.

HOWEVER, POST JULY OF 2021, APPROXIMATELY 70% HAD ALL SUPPORTING ADEQUATE SUPPORT DOCUMENTATION.

SO WHILE THIS IS SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT, WE RECOMMENDED THAT THE WAREHOUSE DEVELOP STANDARD STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES AND PROVIDE PERIODIC TRAINING TO STAFF ON WHAT DOCUMENTATION SHOULD BE RETAINED WHEN COMPLETING CUSTOMER ORDERS.

WE ALSO ASSESSED CUSTOMER SERVICE ADEQUACY BY DISTRIBUTING A SURVEY TO 98 WAREHOUSE CUSTOMERS, AND WE RECEIVED A 28% RESPONSE RATE ON THAT SURVEY.

THE RESULTS ARE SUMMARIZED IN THE FIGURE ON THE SLIDE, AND BASED ON THIS INFORMATION, WE FOUND THAT THE WAREHOUSE GENERALLY PROVIDES EFFECTIVE SERVICE TO ITS CUSTOMERS.

THAT BEING SAID, WE RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM THE WAREHOUSE CUSTOMERS THAT IT WAS OCCASIONALLY DIFFICULT TO KNOW WHAT ITEMS WERE IN STOCK IF THEY WERE TRYING TO ORDER IN-PERSON AS THE IN-PERSON CATALOGS WERE PRINTED ON PAPER AND SEPARATED BY DEPARTMENT.

IN ADDITION, WHEN WE TALKED TO WAREHOUSE STAFF ABOUT THIS ISSUE, THEY STATED THAT IT WAS DIFFICULT TO KEEP THESE CATALOGS UP TO DATE AND THAT THEY FELT HAVING TO PRINT THE PHYSICAL CATALOGS DID NOT ALIGN WITH THE CITY'S SUSTAINABILITY GOALS.

IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE WAREHOUSE DOES HAVE AN ELECTRONIC ORDERING PROCESS THAT CUSTOMERS CAN USE BY ACCESSING THE CITY'S INTRANET.

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RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE AN INVENTORY MONITORING SOFTWARE.

NEXT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ENSURE THE THAT INVENTORY IS APPROPRIATELY SAFEGUARDED AS WHEN IT'S STORED IN THE WAREHOUSE.

IN PARTICULAR, PHYSICAL SECURITY MEASURES SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED.

ACCESS TO INVENTORY SHOULD BE RESTRICTED, AND INVENTORY LEVELS SHOULD BE PERIODICALLY VERIFIED BASED ON PHYSICAL OBSERVATION.

WE FOUND THAT THE WAREHOUSE WAREHOUSE IS PHYSICAL SECURITY MEASURES APPEARED EFFECTIVE, INCLUDING HAVING THE PREMISES SECURED WITH LOCKS 24 SEVEN VIDEO SURVEILLANCE AND A SECURITY SYSTEM THAT NOTIFIED WAREHOUSE MANAGEMENT IF A BREACH WAS DETECTED.

IN ADDITION, ACCESS TO THE WAREHOUSE IS CONTROLLED THROUGH PHYSICAL KEYS AS WELL AS ELECTRONIC LOCKS.

ACCORDING TO STAFF, THE ELECTRONIC CODES ARE UPDATED AT LEAST ANNUALLY AND IN THE EVENT OF EMPLOYEE TURNOVER.

THAT BEING SAID, WE FOUND THAT THE WAREHOUSE DIVISION DOES NOT HAVE A FORMAL KEY MANAGEMENT SCHEDULE TO TRACK WHICH KEYS ARE ISSUED AND WHEN THEY'RE RETURNED TO THE WAREHOUSE. FINALLY, THE WAREHOUSE HAS ESTABLISHED A CYCLE COUNT PROCESS TO VERIFY INVENTORY LEVELS UNDER THIS PROCESS, UNDER A CYCLE COUNT PROCESS AND SORRY, UNDER THIS PROCESS, INSTEAD OF 100% OF INVENTORY ITEMS BEING VERIFIED AT ONE TIME, SMALLER PORTIONS OF THE INVENTORY ARE VERIFIED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO BETWEEN APRIL 2020 AND APRIL 2022, WE FOUND THAT THE WAREHOUSE HAD COMPLETED 367 CYCLE COUNTS AND REVIEWED ALMOST 9500 ITEMS. HOWEVER, WE HOWEVER, WE DID FIND THAT ABOUT 2% OF ITEMS HAD NOT BEEN COUNTED DURING THAT TIME AS PART OF A CYCLE COUNT.

ACCORDING TO WAREHOUSE STAFF, MOST OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE NOT COUNTED WERE BEING PHASED OUT OF THE WAREHOUSES INVENTORY AND WERE COUNTED AS PART OF THAT PHASE OUT PROCESS.

SO BEST PRACTICES GENERALLY CONSIDER CYCLE ACCOUNTS TO BE A MORE EFFICIENT THAN A TOTAL INVENTORY COUNT.

THAT BEING SAID, WE FOUND THAT WAREHOUSE STAFF COMPLETE CYCLE COUNTS ON THEIR DOWNTIME INSTEAD OF BASED ON A SET SCHEDULE AS BEST PRACTICES WOULD SUGGEST.

AND SO FOR THAT REASON, WE WERE RECOMMENDING THAT A STANDARD CYCLE COUNT SCHEDULE BE ESTABLISHED TO PROVIDE FURTHER ASSURANCE THAT ALL WAREHOUSE INVENTORY IS COUNTED AT LEAST ANNUALLY. LASTLY, THE CITY'S SURPLUS ITEM DISPOSAL PROCESS HAS RECENTLY BEEN CENTRALIZED WITH THE WAREHOUSE DIVISION.

HOWEVER, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THEY FOLLOW THE CITY'S DISPOSAL POLICIES, WHICH GENERALLY ENCOURAGE REUSE OF CITY EQUIPMENT WHENEVER POSSIBLE. IN PARTICULAR, THERE ARE SEVERAL METHODS THE DEPARTMENT MAY USE TO DISPOSE OF PROPERTY OR EQUIPMENT THEY NO LONGER USE, INCLUDING TRANSFERRING AN ITEM TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, DONATING AN ITEM TO A NONPROFIT, AUCTIONING AN ITEM OR DESTROYING AN ITEM.

BASED ON THE ANONYMOUS CUSTOMER SATISFACTION SURVEY.

ABOUT 20% OF CUSTOMERS INDICATED THAT THEY WERE UNAWARE OF THE CITY'S DISPOSAL PROCESSES.

IN ADDITION, WE FOUND THAT A FEW ITEMS HAD GONE THROUGH THE WAREHOUSES DONATION PROCESS.

FOR THOSE REASONS, WE RECOMMENDED THAT THE WAREHOUSE PERIODICALLY PROVIDE REMINDERS TO CITY PERSONNEL ABOUT THE CITY'S DISPOSAL PROCESSES TO PROMOTE AWARENESS.

FOUR AUCTIONS. THE CITY HAS CONTRACTED WITH AN EXTERNAL VENDOR FOR AUCTION SERVICES.

AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, THE WAREHOUSE MUST PREPARE ITEMS FOR AUCTION BY PROVIDING ITEM INFORMATION AND PICTURES TO THE VENDOR, WHO THEN ELECTRONICALLY BIDS THE ITEMS DURING THE AND DURING THAT PROCESS.

ANY ITEMS THAT ARE BEING AUCTIONED REMAIN IN THE WAREHOUSE AUCTION.

WINNERS MUST THEN PICK UP THEIR ITEMS FROM THE WAREHOUSE AND ARE REQUIRED TO PRESENT THEIR AUCTION RECEIPT, THEIR ID AND DESIGN FOR THE PICKUP.

HOWEVER, PRIOR TO APRIL 2021, ONLY THE RECEIPT DOCUMENTATION WAS REQUIRED.

SO SINCE THEN WE FOUND THAT ALL SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION WAS GENERALLY RETAINED.

THOUGH A COPY OF THE INDIVIDUAL'S ID WHO PICKED UP THE ITEM WAS NOT ALWAYS AVAILABLE.

BASED ON A SAMPLE THAT WE CONDUCTED, WE ALSO VERIFIED THAT ABOUT $52,000 IN AUCTION PROCEEDS WERE APPROPRIATELY RECEIVED FROM THE CITY'S AUCTION VENDOR SINCE SEPTEMBER 2020.

THE WAREHOUSE HAS DEVELOPED STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES FOR MANAGING THE AUCTION PROCESS.

HOWEVER, THESE NOT BEEN FORMALLY ADOPTED.

FINALLY, PER CITY POLICY ITEMS VALUED LESS THAN $100 AND NOT CONSIDERED TO BE IN GOOD WORKING ORDER MAY BE DESTROYED PER THE WAREHOUSES.

PRACTICES ASSETS THAT ARE DESTROYED SHOULD BE REPORTED TO THEM THROUGH A DATABASE FORM.

BASED ON REVIEW OF THIS DATABASE, ONLY EIGHT DESTRUCTIONS HAVE BEEN RECORDED SINCE DECEMBER OF 2021, AND THERE IS NO WAY FOR THE WAREHOUSE TO KNOW IF AN ITEM IS INDEPENDENTLY DESTROYED BY A DEPARTMENT.

SO IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE CITY'S FINANCE DEPARTMENT HAS SET THE THRESHOLD FOR ITEMS TO BE CONSIDERED FIXED ASSETS AT $5,000, MEANING THAT ITEM IS VALUED BELOW THIS THRESHOLD WHEN THEY'RE PURCHASED, ARE GENERALLY NOT INDEPENDENTLY RECORDED IN THE CITY'S BOOKS AND MAY NOT BE TRACKED AS INVENTORY BY ANY DEPARTMENT.

SO FOR THIS REASON, WE RECOMMENDED THAT THE WAREHOUSE EVALUATE THE ASSET DESTRUCTION CRITERIA TO DETERMINE IF IT SHOULD MORE CLOSELY ALIGN WITH THE FIXED ASSET CRITERIA AS

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THAT BEING SAID, THE WAREHOUSE AND THE CITY SHOULD CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE DEPARTMENTS TO REUSE ITEMS THROUGH THE TRANSFER, DONATION AND AUCTION PROCESSES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

SO IN SUMMARY, WE ISSUED A TOTAL OF TEN RECOMMENDATIONS, EIGHT OF WHICH THE DEPARTMENT CONCURRED WITH FULLY, AND THE REMAINING TWO THEY PARTIALLY CONCURRED.

BASED ON THIS RESPONSES, WE BELIEVE THE IDENTIFIED RISK WILL BE APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED AND WE'LL CONDUCT A FOLLOW UP REVIEW IN 18 TO 36 MONTHS.

GREAT QUESTIONS FOR, SIR.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO IF I KIND OF CAN SUMMARIZE IT A LITTLE BIT, IT SEEMS LIKE OVERALL DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB, BUT WE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT CATALOGING OUR INVENTORY AND AND THEN A LITTLE BIT LIGHTER SECURITY.

IS THAT A GOOD TAKE HOME MESSAGE? I THINK THE TAKE HOME MESSAGE IS GENERALLY DOING A GOOD JOB.

THERE ARE SOME POTENTIAL WAYS TO IMPROVE EFFICIENCY IN THE ORDERING AND CATALOG PROCESS JUST BY IMPLEMENTING SOME NEW SOFTWARES AND THE DISPOSAL PROCESSES THERE MIGHT BE THERE MIGHT BE SOME THINGS THAT DON'T NEED TO BE THERE OR THAT THEY COULD RESET THE THRESHOLD SO THAT IT WAS A MORE EFFICIENT PROCESS. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? CUSTOMER. WHAT DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY WHEN YOU SAID THAT? IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S UNDER $5,000.

WE BASICALLY DON'T WRITE IT DOWN.

WE DON'T KEEP TRACK OF IT.

WE DON'T. IS THAT IN GENERAL, IT'S EXPENSED WHEN WE PURCHASE IT LIKE A CHAIR, WE WOULDN'T WRITE IT DOWN IN AN INVENTORY LIST AND TRACK WHERE IT WAS. DOES THAT MAKE.

IT DOES. YEAH, IT DOES.

HONESTLY, ON ITS FACE, WHEN YOU SAID THAT, I WAS SURPRISED BECAUSE $5,000 IS PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF MONEY.

I MEAN, YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF INVENTORY THAT'S UNDER $5,000 THAT YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE IT IS.

YOU DON'T KNOW IF IF IT'S MISSING OR SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF MY OBSERVATIONS.

SO I'M GOOD WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, EXCEPT I'D REALLY LIKE TO MAYBE EXPLORE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY WHAT A BREATH OF FRESH AIR FROM YOU AND YOUR STAFF. YOU DO EXCELLENT JOB, YOU DO EXCELLENT PRESENTATIONS.

AND I'VE BEEN HERE WHEN WE WENT THROUGH ALL THAT CRAZINESS.

I'M JUST GOING TO SAY.

SO KUDOS TO YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE JOB THAT YOU DO.

SERIOUSLY. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEE, I APPRECIATE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I DO NOTE AND WILL TRACK ALONG WITH THE HOW TO VALIDATE THE $100 JUST BECAUSE IF THERE'S NOT A CHECK IN PLACE, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS $200, 305 HUNDRED, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, BECOMES 100 AND IT'S GONE AND THERE'S NO WAY TO CHECK AGAINST THAT. AND SO AND THERE'S NO FORMAL PROCESS, RIGHT? SO LIKE I IN MY DEPARTMENT, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE LIKE AN ASSET TAG ON MY CHAIRS.

SO I KNOW IF SOMEBODY TAKES ONE, BUT IN THEORY, SUPERVISORS KNOW WHAT EXISTS AND THEY COULD KNOW IF SOMETHING WAS TAKEN LIKE THAT.

I THINK THE FIXED ASSET CRITERIA IS THAT'S A PRETTY STANDARD CRITERIA FOR THAT KIND OF FINANCIAL ACCOUNTING.

SO I'M NOT I DON'T NOT WE WOULDN'T WE WEREN'T INTENDING TO RECOMMEND THAT IT BE SET AT $5,000.

JUST LET IT BE REEVALUATED BECAUSE IT IS $100 THE RIGHT AMOUNT TO HAVE TO REPORT SOMETHING.

SO THAT WAS THAT WAS KIND OF THE INTENTION.

YEAH. NO, I THINK THAT'S SPOT ON.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME WAS THE I COULDN'T AGREE MORE ON THE ANNUAL COUNT.

I'M LOOKING, I'M GOING TO TRACK THAT ALONG BECAUSE YEAH.

BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE TWO YEARS THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT CAN GO MISSING OR UNACCOUNTED FOR, THAT SORT OF THING, RIGHT.

IF YOU'RE JUST IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERY YEAR WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT'S GENERALLY UNDER OUR ROOF TOP, IF YOU WILL, AND THEN GO FROM THERE. BUT IF YOU HAVE TWO YEARS TO KIND OF HAVE STUFF UNACCOUNTED FOR, THAT THAT THAT WOULD COULD BE PROBLEMATIC OR SOMEONE COULD BE JUST I THINK THAT'S JUST GOOD, GOOD, GOOD, BEST PRACTICES.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM C, WHICH IS ID 221083, RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A SESSION AND GIVE GIVE STAFF

[C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the Community Emergency Response Team program. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

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MY NAME IS BOB MARTINEZ. I'M THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM COORDINATOR.

AND TODAY I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT VOLUNTEERS DURING EMERGENCIES.

SO VOLUNTEERS ARE VERY IMPORTANT DURING EMERGENCIES.

THEY PROVIDE WHAT WE CALL A FORCE MULTIPLIER.

THEY'RE ABLE TO AUGMENT STAFF.

THEY'RE ABLE TO BRING A SPECIAL SKILL SET TO BE USED DURING EMERGENCIES.

VOLUNTEERS CAN EITHER BE AFFILIATED.

YOU MEAN THEY'RE PART OF A GROUP ORGANIZATION, OR THEY CAN BE SPONTANEOUS PEOPLE THAT JUST WANT TO VOLUNTEER WHEN THERE'S AN EMERGENCY.

ONE OF THE BETTER KNOWN ORGANIZATIONS IS CALLED COMMUNITY EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM, OR CERT.

CERT IS A NATIONAL PROGRAM.

THEY'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE THE EARLY 2000S, AND THEIR GOAL IS TO TRAIN COMMUNITY MEMBERS FOR DISASTERS.

THEY GO, IT'S A FORMAL PROGRAM, THERE'S FORMAL TRAINING, AND THEY HAVE THE MENTALITY OF TRAINING THE COMMUNITY SO THEY CAN RESPOND TO THEIR TO THEIR COMMUNITY DURING EMERGENCIES.

THERE ARE SOME TRAINING REQUIREMENTS TO BECOME A CERT VOLUNTEER.

EVERY MEMBER MUST COMPLETE THE BASIC CERT COURSE.

THIS IS A 40 HOUR CLASS.

IT'S BROKEN UP INTO FOUR SESSIONS, AND VOLUNTEERS ARE TAUGHT ON SUBJECTS SUCH AS DISASTER PREPAREDNESS, FIRE SUPPRESSION, FIRST AID, LIFE SEARCH AND RESCUE RESPONDER PSYCHOLOGY.

AND THEN THEY END THEIR COURSE BY TAKING TAKING PLACE IN A DISASTER DRILL.

SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO START A CERT PROGRAM.

THE FIRST ONE IS YOU WOULD NEED A COORDINATOR.

YOU NEED SOMEBODY THAT WILL BE IN CHARGE OF THE VOLUNTEERS, IN CHARGE OF TRAINING, IN CHARGE OF SCHEDULING.

THIS COULD BE A PART TIME PERSON.

YOU WOULD NEED A WEBSITE AND SOCIAL MEDIA.

THE WEBSITE WOULD BE TO HELP WITH RECRUITING.

SAME THING WITH SOCIAL MEDIA.

AND ALSO THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD ADVERTISE ALL YOUR TRAINING EVENTS.

AND THEN ALSO WHEN YOU WOULD HOW YOU WOULD COMMUNICATE TO THE VOLUNTEERS DURING EMERGENCIES, YOU WOULD NEED PEOPLE THAT WERE TRAINERS TO TO DO THE BASIC COURSE.

WE NEED TO DEVELOP A TRAINING CALENDAR FOR VOLUNTEERS.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY DO OUTSIDE THEIR NORMAL DAY TO DAY JOB.

SO YOU WOULD WANT TO DEVELOP A TRAINING CALENDAR SO THAT IN A YEAR IN ADVANCE.

SO THAT WAY THEY COULD SCHEDULE, MAKE, MAKE ARRANGEMENTS SO THAT THEY ATTEND YOUR TRAININGS.

UNIFORMS AND SUPPLIES.

WE WOULD WANT OUR VOLUNTEERS TO BE PROFESSIONAL PART OF THAT UNIFORM SO THAT THEY'RE EASILY IDENTIFIED THAT WAY.

WHEN THEY'RE RESPONDING, YOU KNOW, FIRST RESPONDERS AND EMERGENCY PERSONNEL COULD SEE THEM AND KNOW EXACTLY WHO THEY ARE AND THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.

BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR VOLUNTEERS.

VOLUNTEERS COULD BE USED IN SHELTERS.

THEY COULD BE USED, YOU KNOW, IN POSITIONS THAT THEY WOULD BE AROUND CHILDREN.

SO ALL VOLUNTEERS WOULD GO THROUGH A BACKGROUND CHECK.

AND THEN LASTLY HERE, VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE.

SO WHEN YOU START DEALING WITH VOLUNTEERS, THERE'S A LOT OF DATA.

YOU'VE GOT TRAINING HOURS.

YOU HAVE A LOT OF PII INFORMATION.

SO YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE A SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT HELPS TRACK AND KEEP EVERYTHING ORGANIZED.

SOME PRELIMINARY COST ESTIMATE ESTIMATES FOR TO START A PROGRAM.

SO LIKE I SAID, YOU REALLY DO NEED A COORDINATOR AND STARTING OFF AT A PART TIME, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE COST THERE ARE ABOUT 25,000 RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD BE AGAIN TRAINING, RECRUITING.

AND THEN THEY WOULD ALSO BE INVOLVED IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

AND THEN AS FAR AS SUPPLIES AND EQUIPMENT, THERE'S A LIST THERE THAT YOU CAN SEE.

MUCH OF THIS WOULD BE REOCCURRING COSTS.

SO EVERY YEAR YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR SOME MORE SUPPLIES, SOME MORE EQUIPMENT.

AND THEN AS FAR AS BACKGROUND CHECKS, THAT WOULD BE BE A ROLLING COST AS WELL.

SO I DO WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT EXISTING REQUIREMENTS RIGHT NOW.

SO DENTON COUNTY HAS A CERT TEAM AND THEY'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE 2006.

THE CITY OF DENTON ACTUALLY GAVE UP THEIR SEARCH TEAM IN 2006 TO GIVE TO THE COUNTY.

SO THEY ARE THEY THEY ARE AT A COUNTY LEVEL AND NONE OF THE JURISDICTIONS IN DENTON COUNTY HAVE THEIR OWN CERT TEAM.

IT'S ALL AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.

THEY HAVE 435 VOLUNTEERS, 114 OF THOSE HAVE CITY OF DENTON ADDRESSES.

THEY HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS, AND THEN THEY ALSO DO THE CERT BASIC COURSE TWICE A YEAR.

THERE'S ALSO DENTON COUNTY MEDICAL RESERVE CORPS, MRC, THEY'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE 2004.

THEY HAVE RIGHT ABOUT 1600 ACTIVE MEMBERS WITH 330 OF THOSE HAVING CITY OF DENTON ADDRESSES.

THIS IS BOTH MEDICAL AND NON-MEDICAL VOLUNTEERS AND THEY PUT OUT THE YEARLY TRAINING CALENDAR AS WELL FOR THE LAST TEN.

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SO ALL OF THESE RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE TO US TODAY TO, TO, TO GET THESE VOLUNTEERS.

ALL THAT'S NECESSARY IS REQUEST FROM EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT MYSELF TO THE COUNTY, TELLING THEM HOW MANY VOLUNTEERS WE NEED, WHAT WE NEED THEM TO DO, AND THEN THEY FULFILL THAT REQUEST.

SO JUST IN SUMMARY, SOME VOLUNTEERS, LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE FORCE MULTIPLIER.

DURING DISASTERS, THEY HELP AUGMENT OUR STAFF.

THEY NEED TO BE PLANNED FOR, YOU KNOW, SO WHETHER THEY'RE AFFILIATED WITH ORGANIZATION OR THEY'RE SPONTANEOUS VOLUNTEERS WILL ARISE FOR EMERGENCIES.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WE DO HAVE TO PLAN FOR.

CREATING A NEW PROGRAM TAKES TIME AND IT REQUIRES RESOURCES.

IF WE WERE TO START A NEW PROGRAM, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD OVER THE UPCOMING YEARS.

TEXAS THERE'S 110 REGISTERED SURF PROGRAMS. 45 OF THEM ARE BASED AT THE CITY LEVEL.

ABOUT 48 OF THEM ARE BASED AT THE COUNTY OR REGIONAL LEVEL.

SO THERE REALLY ISN'T A CLEAR CUT OF WHERE THE SURF PROGRAM BELONGS.

I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT THAT THAT IT'S A COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION THAT IS IS BUILT AROUND AROUND A COMMUNITY.

SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF COURSES OF ACTIONS HERE THAT I THINK YOU COULD CONSIDER.

ONE WOULD BE TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT DENTON COUNTY CERT.

WE COULD DO THIS BY ASSISTING AND RECRUITING VOLUNTEERS.

WE CAN PROMOTE CERT.

WE CAN INVOLVE CERTAIN MARK IN CITY EMERGENCY EXERCISES.

THERE'S ACTUALLY TRAINING GOING ON ON THE LAST TWO DAYS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND WE HAVE MSI OUT THERE HELPING WITH THAT TRAINING.

THE LAST TWO DAYS WE CAN REQUEST CERT AND MASK SUPPORT DURING REAL WORLD EVENTS.

HAVING THEM INTEGRATED IN OUR RESPONSE KNOW GIVES US SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT THEIR CAPABILITIES ARE AND THAT'S AN ASSET THAT WE CAN USE.

CO TWO WOULD BE TO START OUR OWN CITY PROGRAM.

THIS WOULD REQUIRE FUNDING FOR A COORDINATOR AND THEN JUST THE FUNDING AND SUPPLIES TO MAINTAIN A PROGRAM YEAR AFTER YEAR.

MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR US TO CONSIDER CO ONE.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR COUNCILMAN DAVIS AND THEN MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION VERY MUCH, ESPECIALLY KNOWING WHERE OUR CERTAIN MEMBERS ARE COUNTING CERTAIN MEMBERS LIVE AND WHEN OUR RC MEMBERS LIVE.

AND YOU CERTAINLY BRING A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THAT REALM TO YOUR NEW ROLE.

THANK YOU. WELCOME AGAIN.

THANK YOU. I HAVE TO SAY, THOUGH, I DON'T THINK IT'S EXACTLY THE WORK SESSION I EXPECTED BECAUSE THE THE CONVERSATION WE HAD, THE VERY BRIEF TWO MINUTE PITCH THAT WE HAD WAS ABOUT CIVILIAN VOLUNTEERS.

AND SERT IS A PART OF THAT.

THAT'S AN OPTION, BUT I DON'T SEE A COURSE OF ACTION.

NUMBER THREE, A LIST OF JOBS AND A LIST OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AN EMAIL LIST OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO HELP WHEN SOMEBODY IS MISSING.

AND YOU JUST NEED WARM BODIES WALKING UP AND DOWN THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, A LIST OF JOBS THAT CIVILIANS ARE CUT OUT TO DO WHEN THERE'S A WINTER STORM, URI, OR WHEN THERE'S A.

BECAUSE THE THING THAT WE NEEDED DURING THE LAST FEW OF THESE THINGS I CAN THINK OF, SOME OF IT WAS VERY SKILLED AND NEEDED THAT AHEAD OF TIME TRAINING.

IT NEEDED CERTAIN KIND OF FOLKS OR MARK KIND OF FOLKS.

BUT SOME OF IT WAS WE NEED WHOEVER IS FREE WITH A PICKUP TRUCK TO COME DRAG SOME WATER BOTTLES OUT TO RESIDENCES.

WE NEED SOME PEOPLE WHO CAN COME AND SWEEP OUT A WAREHOUSE SO IT CAN RECEIVE A BUNCH OF WATER.

WE'RE GETTING WE'RE GETTING DONATED FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE OR THE STATE IS PROVIDING.

SO WHAT I WAS KIND OF LOOKING FOR WAS REALLY I MEAN, THE CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE WHETHER WE WANT TO TAKE THAT STEP AND BE THAT INVOLVED AS A CITY AND CERT AS AS A PROGRAM.

BUT THE THING THAT I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN IS WHO HAS THE LIST OF ROTARY CLUB PRESIDENTS WRITTEN DOWN AND KNOWS WHO TO CALL? WHEN YOU NEED 300 PEOPLE TO COME DO A SEARCH, WHO HAS A LIST OF PEOPLE WHO CAN BE TEXTED THROUGH OUR TEXT SYSTEM THAT ALREADY EXISTS THAT ARE WILLING TO COME HELP WITH THAT WARM BODY KIND OF VOLUNTEER STUFF.

SO THERE IS A ORGANIZATION CALLED VOTER VOLUNTEERS ACTIVE IN DISASTER.

AND AGAIN, IT'S AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.

AND THE COUNTY IN THAT VO AD ACTUALLY HAS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO VO AD HAS, YOU KNOW, BAPTIST MEN, SALVATION ARMY, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE THAT ARE VERY SPECIFIED. SO, YOU KNOW, BAPTIST MEN HAVE CHAINSAW GROUPS.

WE NEED WE NEED LIMBS, YOU KNOW, CUT DOWN.

WE CALL WE CALL THEM.

THEY SEND A CHAINSAW, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED FOOD OR IF WE NEED CLOTHING, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO VOTE IS OUR MECHANISM TO GET THOSE PEOPLE TO US.

SO VOTE WE HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS AND YOU KNOW, WE MEET AND WE TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT PLANS.

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SO, SO SO VO KIND OF FEELS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SIR, THAT THEY PROVIDE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION.

AND IT'S A VERY STRUCTURED, LIKE I SAID, SPONTANEOUS VOLUNTEERS.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DO ONE VOLUNTEER WHEN IT HAPPENS.

THAT'S A THAT'S ALSO AN OPTION.

THAT'S USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS.

IF WE WENT THAT ROUTE, WE WOULD NEED TO CREATE A VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT PLAN.

WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE ONE, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO HELP WITH WITH SPONTANEOUS VOLUNTEERS.

OKAY. A COUPLE OF QUICK NOTES ON THAT BEFORE I CAN STEP BACK AND LET OTHER PEOPLE TALK.

BUT I LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS, BEEN VERY INVOLVED AS A VOLUNTEER, AND THIS IS THE VERY FIRST TIME I'VE EVER HEARD ABOUT THOUGH AD I'VE NEVER HEARD OF A AD BEFORE, AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE A FANTASTIC THING.

BUT EVEN ORGANIZATIONS THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT MAYBE COULD HAVE PLUGGED INTO THAT, I'VE NOT BEEN AWARE OF THAT.

MAYBE THAT'S A SHORTCOMING OF MY OWN, BUT IT MIGHT ALSO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO MAKE THAT BETTER KNOWN TO SOME OF OUR VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE LOOKING FOR GOOD WORK TO DO, AND THEN A VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT.

I'D VERY MUCH LIKE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TO HAVE A VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.

AND I WAS DISAPPOINTED NOT TO SEE THAT ON THE SLIDES, TO JUST SEE THE FOCUS JUST ON CERT.

SO ONE OF THE BENEFITS ALSO OF AN ORGANIZED VOLUNTEER GROUP IS THAT EACH ORGANIZATION VETS THEIR PEOPLE.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY IN A DISASTER, BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY PEOPLE LIKE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE DURING EMERGENCIES.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF CERTAIN MRC AS WELL IS THAT ALL OF THEM ARE VETTED.

YES, VOLVO AD IS THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALSO HELP PROMOTE, GET THE WORD OUT SO THAT THEY CAN BE PART OF THAT AT THAT COMMUNITY LEVEL TALK.

COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS JUST A FEW THINGS.

ONE IS AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BOB, BUT A VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT PLAN IS A PART OF AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN.

I KNOW I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT IN AUSTIN, SO WE WILL PROBABLY BE WORKING ON THAT.

WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE ONE, BUT WE WILL.

WE'LL WORK ON THAT BECAUSE WE DO NEED A VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT PLAN BECAUSE ANY TIME THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, YOU GET CITIZENS WHO WANT TO HELP.

BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ORGANIZED PLAN, IT GOES HAYWIRE.

YOU GET BALL GOWNS AND EVERYTHING ELSE DELIVERED, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED TO US IN AUSTIN.

SO WE'LL WORK ON THAT TO GET A VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT PLAN TOGETHER AND THEN MAYBE SEE IF BOB AND HIS HE HAS A LOT OF CONNECTIONS. WE CAN GET INFORMATION OUT WITH OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT VOTE IS.

AND I WILL SAY VO ED PLAYED A HUGE ROLE WHEN THE FLOODING OCCURRED IN AUSTIN AND IF WITHOUT VOTED, WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SERVE THOSE THOSE THOSE RESIDENTS AND THOSE PEOPLE IN THE APARTMENTS AS QUICKLY AS WE AS WE DID THE CITY MANAGER.

SURE. THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR INDULGING ME.

DOES A VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT PLAN WHICH WHICH WE NEED TO HAVE, DOES THAT INCLUDE WHAT YOU DO WITH THE VOLUNTEERS THAT COME ALONG DURING THE GOOD TIMES THAT FOLKS WHO ARE JUST KIND OF SITTING AROUND THE HOUSE THINKING, IT'S TIME FOR ME TO GET INVOLVED AND VOLUNTEER.

I WANT TO PUT MY NAME ON A LIST TO BE SOMEBODY WHO GETS CALLED WHEN SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS.

DOES THAT DOES THAT PLAN NECESSARILY INCLUDE PROVIDING FOR THOSE FOLKS AND GETTING PEOPLE JUST SIGNED UP ON A BIG TEXT LIST OR SOMETHING? I'LL HAVE TO LET CHIEF BOB ANSWER THAT.

I JUST KNOW I WAS IN CHARGE OF DOING THE VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN IN AUSTIN, AND IT WAS MORE FOCUSED ON HOW WE WOULD PULL THE VOLUNTEERS, HOW IT EDUCATE THEM, HOW WE'D GET THEM OUT INFORMATION OUT TO DETER DONATIONS THAT WEREN'T APPLICABLE AT THE TIME, WHERE THEY WOULD BE DROPPED OFF, WHO WOULD BE HANDLING IT, ALL THAT STUFF.

I DIDN'T GO INTO SORT OF THAT PRE PART OF IT, BUT I LEFT SO IT COULD HAVE GOTTEN INTO THAT.

SO I'LL LET BOB ANSWER.

SO FIRST OF ALL, VOLUNTEERS ARE PART OF OUR OVERALL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN.

WE DO NOT HAVE AN ANNEX.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NUMBER OF ANNEXES IN THE PLAN.

THERE IS NOT AN ANNEX CURRENTLY FOR VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT.

BUT BUT USUALLY VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT FOR WHEN THINGS ARE GOOD.

YOU KNOW, IT USUALLY IS FOR HOW WE USE VOLUNTEERS DURING AN ACTIVE EMERGENCY.

SO, I MEAN, FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, I LED THE THE THE COVID RESPONSE FOR THE COUNTY.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE SAW AN INFLUX OF VOLUNTEERS, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH TMS. WE HAD THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT VOLUNTEERED AND WE HAD A VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THAT HELPED US VET THEM AND HELP US ORGANIZE, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF THE LOGISTICS TO GET THEM READY TO VOLUNTEER.

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THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO CONCUR A LITTLE BIT WITH COUNCILOR DAVIS.

I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS THE THE VALIDITY OF MORE OF THIS VOTE.

AND I THINK WHEN YOU SAID VOTE, I SAW A WHOLE BUNCH OF PINS WENT DOWN TO THEIR NOTES.

AND I THINK THAT TELLS YOU THAT MORE THAN HALF THE STATES, YOU KNOW, I WON'T I WON'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE.

I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHOSE PINS I SAW.

WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT VOTER ID, SO I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO ALIGN THE SORT OF OUTREACH COMPONENTS, MAYBE, MAYBE MY FRIEND RIGHT HERE TO ALIGN COMMUNITY RECOGNITION OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES.

YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY DISCUSS THE DOWN THE ROAD, OR AT LEAST IT FEELS TO ME LIKE WE COULD PROBABLY DISCUSS DOWN THE ROAD WHETHER THERE'S INTEGRATION OF BOARD WITH CERT OR THE CITY HAS TO TAKE A BRIDGING ROLE OR OR SOMETHING ELSE.

BUT IT DOES FEEL LIKE WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IS HAVING A PLAN FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR VOLUNTEERISM AND SUBNETS AND SORT OF TOPIC EXPERTISE THAT COULD BE MARSHALED QUICKLY.

IT FEELS LIKE WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY IN CERT, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, KIND OF NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL, BUT MAYBE CONVERTING A WAGON WHEEL TO A MODERN PNEUMATIC TIRE.

I THINK I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO TO ENHANCE WHAT WE HAVE, DEFINITELY.

AND I WOULD LIKE MAYBE AN ISR ON ON THIS AREA IN GENERAL AND HOW THEY INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER.

VO ADD IN CERT AND DM MRC OR WHATEVER IT WAS.

IF WE COULD GET A BETTER PICTURE FOR THE FRAMEWORK, I THINK YOU WOULD AVOID A LOT OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE CAN'T GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE CAN'T RESPOND TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE LACKING.

AT LEAST I WILL SAY I WON'T SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE.

I'M LACKING AN AWARENESS OF OF THAT FRAMEWORK SO I CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE PUBLIC.

ANYONE ELSE. OH.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MAGUIRE.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS, MAYOR PRO TEM BECK BOTH PERFECTLY EXPRESSED MY MY POSITION.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE US DUPLICATING EFFORTS AND CREATING OUR OWN SERT TEAM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

START WITH AN E.

YES, SIR. WITH AN EYE. NO, START WITH ME.

I DEFINITELY AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE VISIBILITY OF THE COUNTY'S CERT PROGRAM AND ESPECIALLY ABOUT VOTER ID, BECAUSE I.

I CERTAINLY HAD NEVER HEARD OF VOD UNTIL JUST NOW.

AND LOOKING AT THEIR WEBSITE, IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THEY COULD USE SOME SUPPORT OR A GENTLE NUDGE TO IMPROVE THEIR PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS AND THEIR OUTREACH.

SO YEAH, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET JUST A STAFF REPORT ON THE CURRENT STATE OF MRC AND VOD AT THE COUNTY AND WHAT COULD THE CITY DO TO SUPPORT AND ENHANCE THOSE EFFORTS? THAT'S THAT'S MY DIRECTION.

ANYONE ELSE? MAY I JUST FOLLOW UP? JUST BOB'S BEEN HERE FOR JUST A FEW MONTHS AND WE'RE GLAD HE'S HERE AND HE'S WORKING ON OUR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN.

AND ONE OF THOSE I TALKED TO, CHIEF HEDGES, ONE OF THOSE WILL BE THE ANNEX, WHICH IS THE EMERGENCY OR THE VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT PLAN.

AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK WITH SOME TOPIC WITH AN ISR THAT TALKS ABOUT VOD AND HELPS GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION SO YOU CAN SHARE IT WITH HOPEFULLY NEIGHBORS AND BUSINESSES THAT THEY MAY WANT TO BE INVOLVED AND WHO TO CONTACT.

BUT ALSO A LITTLE MORE ABOUT CERT AND MRC.

BUT WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE BOB BECAUSE HE'S WORKED IN THE COUNTY AND HE'S WORKED AND LED THE MSI AND IS VERY WELL VERSED IN THE AREAS OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE TODAY IS GOING TO BE CERTAINLY A LOT, A LOT BETTER AS WE MOVE ALONG.

THE OTHER THING IS WE DIDN'T CATCH IT.

WE THOUGHT IT WAS THE CERT PART OF IT.

SO WE APOLOGIZE BECAUSE WE USUALLY DO TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN THE FACT THAT WE HEAR WHAT YOU'RE ASKING AND GET IT OUT THERE, BUT WE LET THEM DOWN A PATH OF CERT, SO IT'S NOT ALL BOB'S FAULT. SO WE'LL GET YOU THE INFORMATION, THOUGH, AND GET BACK ON TRACK.

OKAY, GREAT. ALL RIGHT.

ANYONE ELSE? CNN COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND TO BE COMPLETELY FAIR TO STAFF, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION IN THE RESPONSE TO THE PITCH ABOUT CERT AND WANTING TO HEAR ABOUT THE CONVERSATION TO BE HAD ABOUT WHETHER THE CITY SHOULD HAVE A CERT PROGRAM OR NOT.

MY MY ONLY POINT WAS THAT THAT WAS NOT THE ONLY THING WE WERE ASKING FOR.

IT WAS AND SO I ONLY THREE OF US SPOKE.

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I WAS MY HEAD WAS SPENDING TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT COULD HELP PEOPLE.

WHERE DO WE SEND THAT PERSON DURING THE GOOD TIMES TO GET THEM PLUGGED IN? AND HOW DOES THE CITY WE HAVE A LOT OF VOLUNTEERISM IN THIS CITY AND HOW DOES THE CITY DO THAT? IS IT MAKING THE ROUNDS TO THE ROTARY AND KIWANIS CLUBS AND GIVING THEM PRESENTATIONS ABOUT CERT AND VO AD AND ALL THE GOOD THINGS THEY CAN GET INVOLVED IN? IS HE ASKING A COUNTY PERSON TO COME INTO THE CITY AND DO THOSE THINGS? WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY DURING THE GOOD TIMES WHEN DISASTER IS NOT HERE TO TAP INTO THAT VOLUNTEERISM.

SO WE'RE NOT REINVENTING THINGS WHEN THE BAD TIMES COME.

YEAH, NO, THAT'S WHAT I SAID.

BUT I DO WANT TO DO WANT TO SPOTLIGHT WHAT BOB TOUCHED ON AN OPPORTUNIST STRIKE AT THAT TIME AS WELL.

AND SO IT'S IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE STRUCTURE THAT, NOT THAT EVERYONE EVERYONE'S WELCOME.

RIGHT. THERE'S A PROCESS, EVERYONE'S WELCOME TO APPLY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE ON THE LIST BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE LIABILITIES THAT COME WITH THAT.

SO I JUST I HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A CRITICAL PART FOR ME AS WELL, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE BOTH ENDS OF THAT, RIGHT? THERE'S THERE'S GREAT OPPORTUNITIES AND THERE'S GREAT OPPORTUNITIES.

SO SO YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH BOTH OF THOSE.

SO WHATEVER COMES BACK THAT I DO WANT US TO AS STAFF, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU POINT OUT THOSE THINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW.

POSITIONED TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.

AND AT THE SAME TIME HELP.

HELP ME WITH THE MESSAGING FOR PEOPLE TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S.

IT'S A VETTING PROCESS.

YOU KNOW, KIND OF IF YOU IF I COMMUNICATE THAT EARLY VERSUS COMMUNICATING, HEY, IF YOU SIGN UP, YOU'RE IN AND THEN SOMEONE'S DISENFRANCHIZED BECAUSE I SAID THEY'RE GOOD TO GO VERSUS HEY, THERE IS A THERE'S A PROCESS IN PLACE TO TO BE CLEARED TO THEN GET TO THAT NEXT LEVEL.

I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE BETTER.

I JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.

RIGHT. SO GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS.

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM RD.

[D. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding an update from the City Manager on the implementation of Resolution 22-1275. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

RECEIVE A REPORT. WHOLE DISCUSSION GIVES STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING AN UPDATE FROM THE CITY MANAGER ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF RESOLUTION 221275.

BE KIND TO ME. THIS IS MY FIRST PRESENTATION.

YEAH. WHO AM I? SO THIS IS VERY QUICK UPDATE IN REGARDS TO THE MEMO THAT WAS SENT OUT ON JULY 29TH IN REGARDS TO THE RESPONSE IT WAS REQUESTED THROUGH THE RESOLUTION TO SORT OF FOLLOW BACK UP.

AND SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GO OVER THESE ARE THE TOPICS.

IT'S GOING TO BE FAIRLY QUICK, SO IT GIVES YOU TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS.

BUT JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT THE RESOLUTION ITSELF, WHICH WAS 20 2-1275 REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS RESOLUTION, WAS APPROVED ON JUNE 28TH AFTER THE OVERTURNING OF ROE V WADE FROM THE SUPREME COURT.

THERE WERE TWO PRIMARY COMPONENTS THE RESTRICTS THE RESTRICTION OF USE OF CITY FUNDS RELATED TO ABORTION DATA, AND THEN RECOMMENDATION OF INVESTIGATION ENFORCEMENT ENFORCEMENT OF ABORTION LAWS TO BE THE LOWEST PRIORITY.

IT DIRECTS THE CITY MANAGER TO PROVIDE A WRITTEN AND ORAL REPORT.

I PROVIDED YOU WITH THE WRITTEN REPORT AND THIS IS THE ORAL REPORT.

WE FELT LIKE AS STAFF THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY SHARE WITH YOU THAT THERE WERE TWO RELEVANT STATE LAWS THAT WERE PASSED ONE SENATE BILL EIGHT, WHICH WAS CALLED THE FETAL HEARTBEAT LAW.

AND THIS ONE IN A NUTSHELL TELLS YOU THAT CANNOT PERFORM NOR AID AND ABET AND AN ABORTION IF FETAL HEARTBEAT IS DETECTED.

IT DOES NOT APPLY TO ABORTION PATIENTS ALLOWS FOR CIVIL PENALTIES, NOT CRIMINAL, AND THERE'S NO LAW ENFORCEMENT INVOLVEMENT WHATSOEVER.

NOW, THE ABORTION TRIGGER LAW, WHICH TOOK PLACE AND IT'S HOUSE BILL 1280 AND IT'S EFFECTIVE AUGUST 25TH, THE CLOCK STARTED TICKING AND NOW IT'S EFFECTIVE AUGUST 25TH.

BASICALLY STATES YOU CANNOT PERFORM, INDUCE OR ATTEMPT.

AN ABORTION DOES NOT APPLY TO ABORTION PATIENTS AND IT IS CRIMINAL, MEANING FELONY OR CIVIL PENALTIES CAN OCCUR.

AND IT SAYS WITH LIMITED EXCEPTIONS, ABORTIONS ARE ILLEGAL IN THE CITY OF DENTON WHEN IT WAS DISCUSSED ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF RESOLUTION AND I MENTIONED IN THE MEMO, I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I INTEND TO IMPLEMENT THE RESOLUTION TO THE EXTENT OF ALLOWED BY LAW.

THE CHIEF OF POLICE HAS ASSURED ME, CHIEF DIXON, THAT DENTON POLICE OFFICERS WILL NOT PROACTIVELY ENGAGE IN THE UNSOLICITED INVESTIGATION, SURVEILLANCE OR COLLECTION OF DATA RELATED TO PERSONS, ORGANIZATIONS, MEDICAL PROVIDERS, INCLUDING INVOLVING ABORTIONS OR OTHER REPRODUCTIVE RELATED SERVICES.

IF OFFICERS ARE PROVIDED WITH CREDIBLE INFORMATION OF A CRIME, OFFICERS CAN TAKE ACTION TO SUPPRESS THE CRIME IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE LAW, POLICE

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I HAVE I HAVE MY AUTHORITIES VERY LIMITED IN THIS.

YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID THIS IN THE MEMO, BUT I WANT TO REITERATE, THE RESOLUTION STATES THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE IMPLEMENTED TO ACCEPT TO THE EXTENT OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY STATE OR FEDERAL LAW. MANY OF THOSE ASPECTS ARE LIMITED BY STATE LAW, INCLUDING THE REQUIREMENT OF POLICE OFFICERS TO ENFORCE THE LAW.

AS MENTIONED BEFORE, IF THEY ACTUALLY DO ARE NOTIFIED OF OF AN INCIDENT, THEN THEY WILL LOOK INTO IT.

REQUIREMENTS OF A POLICE OFFICER TO CONVEY INFORMATION REGARDING CERTAIN CRIMES.

THEY CANNOT NOT DO THAT.

PUBLIC INFORMATION AND RECORDS RETENTION REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH DENTON POLICE AND DENTON FIRE, EMS. THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE LIMITED BY STATE LAW.

OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.

ABORTION INVESTIGATIONS ARE NOT LIKELY TO BE UNDERTAKEN HERE IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

WE DO NOT HAVE THE EXPERTISE BY OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IN MEDICAL RELATED CRIMES.

NO DEDICATED ABORTION CLINICS ARE LOCATED IN THE CITY OF DENTON, AT LEAST OF WHAT WE'RE AWARE OF, WE DO NOT KNOW.

AND DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN CIVIL LITIGATION ARISING FROM SENATE BILL EIGHT PROVISIONS, DIFFICULTIES RELATING TO THE USE OF FUNDS AND RESOURCES.

THAT'S OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO.

EVEN TO THE POINT OF HOW DID YOU DETERMINE IF A POLICE OFFICER IS AN OFFICER, IS SPENDING TIME ON A CERTAIN ITEM IF THEY JUST TAKE A CALL OF A COMPLAINT? ADDITIONALLY, THE RESOLUTION IS NOT BINDING ON OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF.

THE CITY, SO IT'S JUST FOCUSED ON THE CITY OF DENTON.

THE SUMMARY IS THE STATE STATUTES LIMIT THE AUTHORITY TO IMPLEMENT SOME PORTIONS OF THE RESOLUTION, WHICH I'VE CLEARLY STATED IN THE MEMO IN HERE AND COUNCIL DIRECTED THE IMPLEMENTATION, IMPLEMENTATION TO THE EXTENT THE STATE LAW ALLOWS, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WILL DO TO THE EXTENT THE STATE LAW ALLOWS.

THE CITY OF DENTON WILL NOT ENGAGE IN PROACTIVE ACTIONS WHATSOEVER.

AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE HAS HAS NOT ONLY SAID THAT HE WOULDN'T, BUT HAS AGREED THAT OTHER OFFICERS WILL NOT.

THE EXISTING STATE LAWS AND THE OVERLAPPING JURISDICTIONS MEAN THAT ABORTION CONTINUES TO BE ILLEGAL IN DENTON AND VIOLATIONS CAN BE FULLY INVESTIGATED AND ENFORCED.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I THINK THE OTHER PROBLEM HERE IS NOT SENDING A MESSAGE, A MIXED MESSAGE TO OUR OUR CONSTITUENTS OR THE RESIDENTS OR OTHERS THAT IT'S OKAY.

THIS IS WHAT'S CALLED CONSIDERED A SANCTUARY CITY.

WHILE WE ARE NOT AND YOU'VE SEEN IT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACTIVELY DO THINGS.

WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE RESOLUTION TO THE EXTENT OF THE LAW.

WE ALSO DON'T WANT OUR CITIZENS, RESIDENTS TO BE CONFUSED THAT THIS IS A SAFE PLACE FOR THIS TO OCCUR.

AND SO THIS IS MY ORAL REPORT.

IT WAS THE MEMO THAT WENT OUT ON JULY 29TH, AND I'LL BE STANDING FOR QUESTIONS.

WHICH OF MOST MACK WILL PROBABLY ANSWER BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE LEGAL.

GREAT QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE NOT A QUESTION, BUT FEEDBACK.

I JUST WANT TO KIND OF STATE THAT THAT THIS IS IN LINE WITH WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE RESOLUTION WAS.

I WHEN I BROUGHT THE RESOLUTION FORWARD, I DID NOT EXPECT THAT DENTON WOULD BE A SANCTUARY CITY, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE.

ABORTIONS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN IN DENTON AS AS THEY WILL EVERYWHERE, BECAUSE ABORTION IS A NEED.

AND IF SOMEONE NEEDS AN ABORTION, THEY'RE GOING TO GET AN ABORTION.

MY HOPE IN PASSING THIS RESOLUTION, BRINGING THIS RESOLUTION FORWARD WAS THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF HEAT OFF OF THOSE WHO ARE SEEKING ABORTIONS OR ASSISTING OTHERS IN SEEKING ABORTIONS.

TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN AND I THINK THAT THIS IS REFLECTIVE OF OF WHAT WE CAN DO.

SO THANK YOU TO THE CITY MANAGER AND TO THE REST OF STAFF WHO ARE DOING OUR BEST TO DO RIGHT BY OUR RESIDENTS AT A VERY SCARY TIME.

WELL, AND I WILL SAY THIS, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO THE EXTENT OF THE LAW.

AND EVEN MACK MENTIONED THIS, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING, IS WE'RE AHEAD OF OTHER CITIES, EVEN CITIES THAT ARE JUST NOW INVESTIGATING THIS OR DOING IT BECAUSE WE'RE AT LEAST GETTING OUT THERE AND TALKING ABOUT IT AND DOING FOLLOWING THE RESOLUTION TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN.

AND SO WE ARE KIND OF AHEAD OF OTHER CITIES, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOW GOING THROUGH IT.

WE ARE AHEAD OF OTHER CITIES IN AT LEAST PUTTING IT OUT THERE.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? NO. COUNCILMAN MCGEE THE MEMBER TO.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. TSVANGIRAI, TO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DOING EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF LAW.

I WOULD JUST ADD THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE RESIDENTS TO KNOW THAT WHEN WE DO RESOLUTIONS, IT IS ABOUT MORE SOMETIMES THAN JUST THE

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AND MY HOPE IS THAT OUR FRIENDS, OUR PARTNERS IN AUSTIN WILL SEE WHAT THIS BODY HAS DONE AND WHAT OTHER BODIES AROUND THE STATE ARE DOING, AND THEY WILL ACT ACCORDINGLY, UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE AND PERHAPS WE CAN INFLUENCE PUBLIC POLICY IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND IF I MIGHT, MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO ASK CHIEF A QUESTION, IF THAT'S OKAY.

SURE. THE CITY MANAGER INDICATED THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT LACKS THE EXPERTISE, I BELIEVE IS THE WORD SHE USED TO INVESTIGATE CRIMES LIKE THIS.

CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO THAT? WHAT? WHAT WHAT DON'T WE HAVE AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DO INVESTIGATIONS OF THIS TYPE JUST FOR THE PUBLIC? WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE'S YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH WHITE COLLAR CRIMES, THERE ARE CERTAIN FINANCIAL CRIMES THAT DETECTIVES WOULD HAVE TO BE FAMILIAR WITH. THE SAME NO DIFFERENT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CRIMES THAT OCCUR THAT ARE RELATED TO THE MEDICAL PROFESSION.

THERE'S A LOT OF INTRICACIES CONTAINED WITHIN THAT PROFESSION THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH NOR THE KNOWLEDGE TO GO IN ARTICULATELY, PUT TOGETHER AN INVESTIGATIVE CASE BASED ON SOMETHING THAT MAY HAPPEN.

SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT NOWHERE IN EITHER ONE OF THE BILLS THAT WERE PASSED DOES IT OUTLINE WHERE THAT AUTHORITY LIES. SO THERE'S STILL SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT, WORKED OUT ON A STATE LEVEL FROM THAT STANDPOINT.

AND LAST THING I WANT TO ASK IS, REGARDLESS OF OF WHAT THIS BODY DOES, YOUR OFFICERS ARE GOING TO HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTED AND WILL FOLLOW THE LAW.

IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THEY'LL OUT TO THE EXTENT THAT IT APPLIES.

RIGHT. SO IF THEY ARE FLAGGED DOWN TO TAKE A REPORT, THEY WILL TAKE THAT REPORT AND SUBMIT IT AS THEY DO ON A DAILY BASIS.

SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU, CHIEF.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WANT TO COSIGN ON THE APPRECIATE CHIEF AND THE THE CITY MANAGER'S DILIGENCE IN TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO FOLLOW THE POLICIES OF THE COUNCIL.

I THINK THERE'S THERE'S BEEN SOMETIMES SOME SOME HEATED RHETORIC, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S HELPFUL.

AND I THINK THAT WE CAN APPROACH THIS IN A IN A COLLECTED WAY WITH GOOD DIALOG.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO.

AND I THINK WE'LL WE'LL PROBABLY CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, IT'S IT'S IT'S A LARGE ISSUE THAT THAT CREATES A LOT OF EMOTIONAL CONTENT.

I DID HAVE A QUESTION THAT I'VE NEVER BEEN REALLY CLEAR ON AND SORT OF CHIEF SORT OF ALLUDED TO IT SOME OF THE GRAY AREAS.

BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR MACK, AND THAT IS IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME ON FOUR STATE REPORTING GUIDELINES AND RECIPROCITY INTERACTIONS WITH OTHER AGENCIES.

WHAT'S THE MINIMUM? DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR.

WELL, CAN YOU EDUCATE ME ABOUT THE MINIMUM SORT OF TIMELINES FOR RESPONSE AND THE THE MINIMUM AMOUNTS OF RESPONSE THAT MAKE YOU CONTINUE TO COMPLY WITH GUIDELINES AND LAWS? AND I'M SURE THAT WILL VARY FROM LAW TO LAW, FROM FROM CASE TO CASE IN A LARGE CONDITION.

BUT IS IS THERE IN THIS IN THIS MILIEU, IS THERE A IS THERE GENERALLY A SORT OF MINIMAL AMOUNT OF TIME? YOU HAVE TO RESPOND IN A MINIMUM AMOUNT.

YOU HAVE TO RESPOND.

AND I MAY ASK MICHAEL GORDON FROM OUR OFFICE TO HELP AS WELL, NOT KNOWING SPECIFICALLY WHICH LAW YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

IT'S HARD TO SAY. THERE ARE CERTAIN LAWS, CHILD PROTECTION LAWS, CHILD ABUSE LAWS THAT HAVE TO BE REPORTED RIGHT AWAY TO OTHER AUTHORITIES.

AND SO IF A POLICE OFFICER WAS INVESTIGATING OR CALLED ON AN ABORTION RELATED CALL AND SAW THAT IT WAS A CHILD ABUSE TYPE OF SITUATION, THEN YEAH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REPORT THAT RIGHT AWAY TO CPS OR OTHER TYPE OF ENTITY.

SO IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON ON THE LAW.

EMS IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIVE AS WELL.

IF THEY THERE'S A NEW LAW THAT'S BEEN PASSED THAT MAY IMPACT THE REQUIREMENTS TO TO RESPOND AND TO PASS THAT INFORMATION ON TO OTHER AUTHORITIES IF THEY RESPOND TO SOMETHING RELATED TO TO AN ABORTION.

SO IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE LAW, AND SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE IMMEDIACY THAN OTHERS AS FAR AS POLICE.

OTHER THAN THOSE, WE'RE KIND OF GETTING A FEEL FOR HOW MANY ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE STILL LEARNING AND FINDING OTHER LAWS THAT MAY BE IMPACTED.

SO I CAN'T GIVE YOU A COMPREHENSIVE LIST RIGHT NOW OF EVERY POTENTIAL LAW AND MAYBE FUTURE LAWS THAT WILL BE COMING FROM THE LEGISLATURE.

THAT MAY IMPACT THIS AS WELL.

BUT IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING, MICHAEL, THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THAT AND MICHAEL, YOU INSIDE JOKE, YOU HAVE TO GIVE YOUR NAME FIRST.

MICHAEL CRONIG DEPUTY.

MICHAEL CRONIG, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.

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I, I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.

THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR POLICE OFFICERS.

WHEN THEY RECEIVE A CALL OR INFORMATION ABOUT CHILD ABUSE, THEY HAVE TO REPORT IT TO CPS AND IT'S PRETTY QUICK.

THE CHIEF MAY NOT LIKE THAN 24 TO 48 HOURS.

IT'S PRETTY QUICK.

SO IF WE GOT A CALL, THE POLICE GOT A CALL THAT A FATHER SEXUALLY ABUSED HIS DAUGHTER.

AND LET'S SAY THAT THE MOTHER FOUND OUT AND TOOK HER FOR AN ABORTION OR SHE GOT AN ABORTION WITHOUT THE PARENTS KNOWING IT.

AND THEN WE GOT A CALL ABOUT THAT.

THEN I THINK WE'D HAVE TO REFER THAT TO CPS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN CHILD ABUSE.

LIKEWISE, POLICE OFFICERS, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR FAMILY VIOLENCE.

THEY HAVE TO MAKE REPORTS.

AND EVERYONE, LIKE YOU SAID, I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE A FAMILY POLICE TAKE REPORT.

I KNOW DEPARTMENT POLICY YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO FILE A REPORT WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

THE ONLY STATE STATUTE I'M AWARE OF THAT HAS YEAR TIME REQUIREMENT IS THE CPS ONE FOR CHILD ABUSE.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER. I DON'T REALLY HAVE A QUESTION.

I JUST HAVE A COMMENT.

I DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE TO EASE US INTO THIS PROCESS AND TO PUT IT ON SIMPLER TERMS WHERE WE COULD ALL PRETTY MUCH UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN TERMS OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

BUT THE COMMENT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE SYNERGISTIC EVOLUTION OF THIS SITUATION.

YOU KNOW, WITH IT COMING OUT OF THE MOUTHS OF THE CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT THIS TO US AND THEY WANTED US TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

THEY WANTED TO HEAR COLLECTIVELY WHAT WE WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, AS A GROUP REPRESENTING THIS, REPRESENTING THE FOLKS OUT THERE.

SO I THINK THAT WE DID OUR VERY BEST TO BRING IT TO THE LIGHT THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS, NEEDED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.

SO IT WAS REMINDING ME OF THAT CONVERSATION THAT OUR OUR WHAT DO THEY CALL MEDIATORS, NO PRESENTERS FOR OUR RETREATS.

AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE POLITICAL OR HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT WERE POLITICAL AND THINGS THAT ARE ADMINISTRATIVE. AND SO IT'S JUST REALLY NEAT TO SEE THIS IN REAL TIME.

ALL THE POLITICS BEHIND SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUE HERE.

YOU KNOW, FOR US TO LAY IT OUT THERE FOR THE CITIZENS.

SO THE CITIZENS WORKING AND THE MEMBERS HERE ON THE COUNCIL DOING THEIR PART AND THE CITY DOING THEIR PART AND KNOW THIS CULMINATES IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT WE CAN ALL JUST TOLERATE AND WORK TOWARDS.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL BE VERY BRIEF.

I WANT TO THANK YOU, MADAM CITY MANAGER AND YOUR STAFF, FOR YOUR CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONALISM DURING THE ENTIRE PENDENCY OF THE RESOLUTION, THE.

THE NIGHT THAT WE CONSIDERED IT.

ALL THE COMMENTS YOU GOT LEADING UP TO IT, UP TO AND INCLUDING SOME OF THE WHAT WE SAY INFLAMMATORY RHETORIC THAT WE HEARD FROM SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY LEADING UP TO THIS REPORT THAT YOU'RE GIVING US TODAY.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT PROFESSIONALISM, EVEN IN THE FACE OF WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS GIVEN YOU, WHICH I WILL CHARACTERIZE AS AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK.

YOU'VE HAD TO EVEN TODAY, COUCH YOUR COMMENTS IN TERMS OF TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, TO THE EXTENT THE LAW ALLOWS.

WE'VE HAD A QUESTION PUT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WHAT EXTENT CAN WE DRAG OUR FEET IN REPORTING VIOLATIONS OF THE LAW? TO WHAT EXTENT CAN WE LIMIT THE DUTY OF A POLICE OFFICER TO REPORT A VIOLATION OF LAW THAT IS GIVEN TO THEM? AND TO WHAT EXTENT DOES THE LAW ALLOW US TO OBSTRUCT AND IGNORE EXISTING STATE LAW? AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THIS COUNSEL IS VERY AWARE.

I DON'T THINK I SPEAK ONLY FOR MYSELF.

I THINK I SPEAK FOR ALL SEVEN OF US WHEN I SAY WE ARE VERY MUCH AWARE OF THE POSITION THAT YOU'RE IN AND THAT IT IS NOT YOUR JOB TO MAKE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS READ SPECTERS OF STATE LAW, AND IT IS NOT YOUR JOB TO TO HELP US MAKE OR TO TO LEAD US TO THE CORRECT DECISION ALL THE TIME.

BUT YOU DO HAVE TO SUPERVISE A POLICE DEPARTMENT.

YOU DO HAVE TO SUPERVISE A MEDICAL RESPONSE DEPARTMENT, AND THAT THOSE GOOD FOLKS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING EVERY SINGLE TIME AND FOLLOW THEIR DUTY EVERY SINGLE TIME, REGARDLESS OF WHAT POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THE COUNCIL MADE.

I DON'T I THINK IT'S DISINGENUOUS FOR ANY OF US TO SIT IN THIS ROOM AND SAY, GOSH, THIS IS WORKING OUT EXACTLY HOW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO KNOW WE VIOLATED CITY CHARTER AND WE PASSED A RESOLUTION ASKING YOU TO DO SOMETHING IN DIRECT CONTRAVENTION OF STATE LAW.

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ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN WATTS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. MADAM CITY MANAGER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WRITTEN REPORT AND YOUR ORAL REPORT.

I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I'M DISAPPOINTED WE DID THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY A GRAVE DISSERVICE.

THIS BODY DID NOT BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT'S NOT IT. NOT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HELP PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, TO FEEL SAFE, TO FEEL HEARD.

BUT WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK A RESOLUTION FROM AN OUTSIDE GROUP.

WE RAMMED IT DOWN THIS COUNCIL'S THROAT.

WE HAD NO DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

ALL THE DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING NOW IS GREAT DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S AFTER THE FACT.

I WENT BACK AND REREAD MY WAS IT LEGAL STATUS REPORT ON JUNE THE 17TH AND IT'S BASICALLY SAID EVERYTHING CAN WE SAID HERE TODAY AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID DURING THE NIGHT AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FROM THE DAY THAT THIS RESOLUTION WAS PASSED TO NOW.

SO I HOPE IN THE FUTURE THAT WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING THIS IMPORTANT, THAT TO REALLY HEAR THE VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY, TO REALLY HEAR THE WILL.

HOW MANY CALLS HAVE I GOTTEN BY PEOPLE SAYING I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS WAS GOING ON AND THEY HAD A DIFFERENT APPROACH, WHICH IS OKAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL CHANGE THE OUTCOME, BUT I HOPE IN THE FUTURE WE DON'T TAKE SOMETHING THIS IMPORTANT FROM A TWO MINUTE PITCH TO A COUNCIL AGENDA TO A NIGHT, A PUBLIC HEARING.

THAT TO ME WAS ALMOST A FIASCO, THAT WE HAD THINGS CHANGING ON THE FLY AND COUNCILMEMBER MAYOR PRO TEM BECK, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR COMMENT WAS INTENDED FOR ME THAT NIGHT WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHY ARE WE CHANGING THIS ON THE FLY? AND YOU SAID, I THINK IT'S NONSENSE.

WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME.

WE CHANGE THINGS ON THE FLY.

I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL 12 YEARS.

I'VE NEVER SEEN US CHANGE SOMETHING THIS IMPORTANT ON THE FLY WITHOUT SOME PRETTY DRAMATIC DISCUSSION PREVIOUS TO THE MEETING.

SO I HOPE I HOPE NO MATTER WHAT THE ISSUE IS, THAT WE TAKE THIS EXAMPLE AND WE LEARN FROM IT THAT THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DEAL WITH THE COMMUNITY WITH SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS THIS, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S CAUSED A GREAT DEAL OF CONFUSION.

I THINK IT'S CAUSED A GREAT DEAL OF CONSTERNATION.

I DON'T PEOPLE KNOW I DON'T THINK PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON.

I THINK WE'VE CLARIFIED IT NOW.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT, WHETHER WE AGREE WITH IT OR NOT.

AND MY COMMENT IS NOT ABOUT MY OWN PERSONAL BELIEFS ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

BUT RIGHT NOW, STATE LAW IS OR IT WILL BE AUGUST THE 25TH ABOUT THE ILLEGALITY OF PEOPLE SEEKING ABORTIONS AND DENTON.

AND WE ARE NOT A SANCTUARY CITY FOR THAT.

AND I JUST HOPE THAT WE HAVEN'T MISCONSTRUED THAT AND WE HAVEN'T SENT A MESSAGE THAT'S GOING TO REALLY GET PEOPLE IN TROUBLE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT THAT'S THE SITUATION.

I TRUST THE POLICE OFFICERS.

THERE'S NO WAY, I THINK, THAT OUR PD IS IN ANY WAY GOING TO BE PROACTIVE ON ANYTHING LIKE THIS AT ALL.

AT ALL. HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IF SOMEBODY BRINGS SOMETHING TO A POLICE OFFICER OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE A DUTY BY LAW TO INVESTIGATE.

THEY HAVE A DUTY BY LAW TO FOLLOW THEIR NORMAL PROCESS AND PROCEDURES AND DATA COLLECTION OF INVESTIGATION.

AND THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE LOUD AND CLEAR AND IN NO WAY TAKES AWAY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE WE HAVE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED OF THESE SERVICES AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS AND HOW CRAZY SOME OF THESE NON EXCEPTIONS ARE.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST, I MEAN WHEN WE THINK ABOUT IT ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AS A COLLECTIVE BODY WE SEND AN ACCURATE AND COMPREHENSIVE MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY AND PLEASE COLLEAGUES, WHETHER WE AGREE OR NOT, WHETHER WE LIKE EACH OTHER OR NOT, WE'RE HERE TO GOVERN.

AND I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE GOVERNING AS TAKING SOMETHING THIS IMPORTANT AND SPENDING TWO WEEKS OF NO COMMUNICATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY OR THE POLICE CHIEF WHEN ALL OF THIS INFORMATION COULD HAVE BEEN VETTED AND SORT OF PUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND SORT OF. WHAT AM I LOOKING PORTIONS THAT COULD BE CONSUMED REASONABLY AND RATIONALLY INSTEAD OF IN ONE THREE HOUR MEETING THAT WE'RE HAVING TO SAY, WELL, THIS IS WHAT WE DID, BUT THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE DID AS WELL.

SO I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'VE BEEN FRUSTRATED ABOUT THAT, AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS BECAUSE THIS IS THIS

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SO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, FOR YOUR INDULGENCE.

THANK YOU. AND I'LL JUST SAY, JUST SO THAT I'M ON THE RECORD AS CITY MANAGER, YOU HAVE MY COMPLETE SUPPORT.

I TOLD YOU THAT IN PRIVATE. I'LL TELL YOU THAT NOW.

AND MY POSITION ON THIS IS.

IS KNOWN. I'M GOING TO.

I TAKE MY APPLICATION TO THIS OFFICE TO RUN FOR THIS OFFICE AND IT SAYS I'M DUTY BOUND TO FOLLOW THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF TEXAS.

AND I TAKE THAT VERY I HAVE TO START AND STOP THERE SO THAT THAT'S MY APPROACH.

SO I THINK WE'RE IN LOCKSTEP WITH YOUR ANALYSIS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING ON TO STREETS AND ROADS AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM E, WHICH IS ID 221293 RECEIVE REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION, REPORT ME,

[E. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the Transitional Housing Project Request for Proposal (RFP) to provide housing for people experiencing literal homelessness and living unsheltered as a part of the City’s overall Housing Crisis Response System (HCRS). [Council Priority; Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 1 hour]]

REGARDING THE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING PROJECT REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING LITERAL HOMELESSNESS AND LIVING UNSHELTERED AS PART OF THE CITY'S OVERALL HOUSING CRISIS RESPONSE SYSTEM.

HCR IS.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

DANNY SHORE, COMMUNITY SERVICES.

I'LL ASK FOR A LITTLE GRACE.

I HAVE A LITTLE SCRATCHY THROAT, SO I MAY HAVE TO PAUSE A LITTLE BIT AND TAKE SOME WATER.

NO, NO, NO.

FORTUNATELY, I GOT EXPOSED TO SOME MOLD THAT I'M PRETTY ALLERGIC TO.

ALL RIGHT. SO JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.

OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY GROUP HERE IN DENTON WHO IS ADVOCATING FOR A TINY HOME VILLAGE AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO EMERGENCY SHELTER.

AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS.

WE ALSO DO HAVE A RESPONSE IN OUR COMMUNITY, OUR HOUSING CRISIS RESPONSE SYSTEM, TO MAKE HOMELESSNESS REAL BRIEF AND NON-RECURRING.

AND THESE EFFORTS TO INCREASE HOUSING OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO FOLKS WHO EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT PROCESS.

ON JANUARY 30TH, WE ISSUED AN RFI TO SOLICIT INFORMATION ABOUT OTHER PARTIES WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THIS TYPE OF PROJECT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THE RESPONSES WERE DUE BACK ON MARCH 1ST, AND THEN WE TOOK THAT INFORMATION AND BROUGHT THAT BACK TO YOU ON APRIL 19TH FOR A DISCUSSION ABOUT THOSE RFI SUBMISSIONS AND TO SEEK ANY DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL.

ON NEXT STEPS, YOU DID PROVIDE DIRECTION FOR US TO DEVELOP A SCOPE OF WORK.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY TO KIND OF TAKE YOU THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND SEE WHAT YOUR FEEDBACK IS ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS. JUST AS A QUICK REMINDER, THOUGH, NOT ALL OF YOU WERE ON ON COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER WHEN WE DID A PRESENTATION.

SO WE ARE GOING TO DO A QUICK RECAP OF OUR HOUSING CRISIS RESPONSE SYSTEM FOR THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND JUST AS A RECAP FOR EVERYONE ELSE AS WELL.

AND THEN WE'LL ULTIMATELY BE ASKING FOR ANY COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL REGARDING THE SCOPE AND THE CRITERIA THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

AND THEN ALSO IMPORTANT INFORMATION REGARDING THE RFP IF COUNCIL IS COMMITTING ANY RESOURCES TO THIS PROJECT.

SO WE DO, AS I SAID, HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS RESPONSE SYSTEM, AND THIS SYSTEM IS A COORDINATED, COLLABORATIVE EFFORT ACROSS OUR COMMUNITY, ALL FOCUSED ON MAKING HOMELESSNESS REAL BRIEF AND NONRECURRING.

AND IT INCLUDES REDUCING GAPS IN HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE HOUSING OPTIONS AVAILABLE.

WE WENT THROUGH THE IN THE NOVEMBER SESSION ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2015 TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE EVOLUTION OF WHERE WE ARE.

BUT HERE WE ARE CURRENTLY.

WE'VE GOT ALL OF OUR CURRENT INITIATIVES IN PLACE AND WE'RE ALSO NOW WORKING ON A COUPLE OF SPECIAL PROJECTS.

SO ONE OF THOSE THAT YOU'RE MOST FAMILIAR WITH IS THE LOOP 28 PROJECT.

OF COURSE, THAT'S UNDERWAY.

YOU RECEIVED A REPORT ON THAT IN YOUR FRIDAY REPORT OF AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE IN THAT PROCESS AND WE ARE MOVING RIGHT ALONG AND ARE ON SCHEDULE AS WE PROPOSE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. BUT ALL OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ACROSS THE WAY IS ABOUT STRENGTHENING OUR HOUSING CRISIS RESPONSE SYSTEM.

AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND THE NEXT SLIDE, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU HOW YOU HAVE BEEN INVESTING OVER TIME TO STRENGTHENING AND IMPROVING THAT SYSTEM THROUGH THINGS LIKE THIS LOOP TRADE PROJECT, THE IMPLEMENTING THE ENHANCED SHELTER MODEL, WHICH TAKES SHELTER TO THE NEXT LEVEL, REALIZING ALL OF THE COVID FUNDING THAT'S COME INTO THE COMMUNITY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DISTRIBUTING THAT FOR THIS EFFORT AS WELL AS OTHERS, AND INCLUDING THAT WE'RE INVESTING INCREASING INVESTMENTS IN THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE HOUSING CRISIS RESPONSE SYSTEM. SO WE DID INCLUDE SOME INCORPORATED FUNDING FOR STREET OUTREACH TO INCREASE THE RESOURCES THERE, INCLUDING A PARAMEDIC THAT NOW GOES OUT WITH THE HOT TEAM AS WELL AS A SOCIAL WORKER.

AND THEN WE HAVE THEIR NEXT STEPS THAT WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON.

YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THAT IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL PACKAGES.

BUT WE DO HAVE OUR GOAL OF UTILIZING THE REST OF THE COVID FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US AND MAKING SURE WE'RE HELPING OUR PARTNERS MAXIMIZE THAT FUNDING FOR THINGS THEY NEED.

AND THEN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOOLKIT AND GETTING THAT OFF THE GROUND AND IMPLEMENTED IS REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR NEXT STEPS, BECAUSE IT DOES INCLUDE THE IDEA OF CREATING MORE

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SO AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS GRAPHIC, THAT SORT OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF HOW YOUR INVESTMENT HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.

WE'VE GONE FROM WHAT WAS 463,000 ALL THE WAY UP TO NOW.

IF YOU TAKE OUT COVID FUNDING FOR I'M SORRY, IF YOU TAKE OUT TO 88 FUNDING, WE'RE STILL AT MUCH HIGHER INVESTMENT AT $3 MILLION FOR THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN OUR PROPOSAL, ABOUT 4 MILLION FOR 2223 AN ACROSS THE BOARD INVESTMENTS IN HOMELESSNESS INITIATIVES ONLY.

SO I'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH QUICKLY THE RFP HIGHLIGHTS JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE RFP AND THEN WE'LL SOLICIT YOUR FEEDBACK ON ANY OF THE CRITERIA QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADJUST OR LOOK AT SUGGESTIONS FOR.

BUT REALLY, IT'S MUCH LIKE THE RFP THAT WAS PRESENTED BEFORE THE INTRODUCTION CLARIFIES WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE IN THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE HOUSING CRISIS RESPONSE SYSTEM THAT'S ADDRESSING THIS COMPLEX ISSUE.

AND THEN THE PURPOSE ALWAYS IS TO REDUCE THE GAPS IN THOSE HOUSING UNITS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE HIGHER BARRIERS AND INCLUDES FOUR PROJECTS THAT MEET FIVE OBJECTIVES. AND THOSE ARE ABOUT BOTH CREATING MORE HOUSING, MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE LIVING UNSHELTERED, HAVE CONNECTION TO THAT HOUSING, MAKING SURE THAT PROJECTS OFFER CASE MANAGEMENT AND HOUSING PLACEMENT SERVICES, ALSO HELPING TO KIND OF LOOK AT DIFFERENT HOUSING OPTIONS THAT ARE NOT JUST CONGREGATE SHELTER, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW WHERE EVERYBODY COMES IN AND STAYS IN ONE ROOM.

TOGETHER, HELPING TO KIND OF PROVIDE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT ARE SOMETIMES BARRIERS TO WHY PEOPLE CHOOSE NOT TO ENTER INTO SHELTER.

AND THEN FINALLY, KIND OF LOOKING AT HOW WE JUST OVERALL REDUCE BARRIERS FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THOSE HIGHER BARRIERS.

PEOPLE WHO HAVE CHRONIC ILLNESSES OR MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES OR HAVE EXITED A CRIMINAL INSTITUTION AND JUST DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO HOUSING THE SAME WAY EVERYONE ELSE DOES.

WE'RE ALSO THE SAME AS THE RFI, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR PROJECTS THAT MEET OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND THOSE EVERYTHING RELATED TO LAND USE, TO UTILITIES, EVERYTHING THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE CURRENTLY IN OUR CURRENT DEVELOPMENT CODE, MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE LEGAL ENTITIES, THAT THEY ARE ALREADY A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION OR OTHER LEGAL ENTITY THAT WOULD QUALIFY.

AND AGAIN, PRIOR TO PRIOR TO PRIORITIZING OUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE HOUSING CRISIS RESPONSE SYSTEM, MAKING SURE THOSE PARTNERS ARE WILLING TO INVEST IN AND PARTICIPATE IN THAT SYSTEM, THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED THIS THIS IS A BIGGEST CHANGE FROM THE ORIGINAL RFI.

AND YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE EVEN IN THE LANGUAGE OF HOW WE PROPOSE THIS, INSTEAD OF SAYING TINY HOME PROJECT OR TINY STRUCTURE PROJECT REALLY ARE FOCUSING NOW ON A TRANSITIONAL HOUSING PROJECT.

THIS ALLOWS US TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE ON WHAT TYPES OF PROJECTS COULD COME FORWARD.

SO IT STILL ALLOWS FOR TINY STRUCTURES IF THAT'S A PROPOSAL THAT SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE ALSO FOR TINY HOMES THAT WOULD MEET OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND THEN THIRDLY, EVEN EXPANDING IT TO MORE HOUSING OPTIONS, THAT MIGHT BE THE CONVERSION OR RE-USE OF OTHER EXISTING PROPERTIES THAT MIGHT BE CONVERTED INTO THIS TYPE OF HOUSING.

SO IT JUST GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY ACROSS THE BOARD FOR THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT SOMEONE MIGHT PROPOSE.

THESE ARE THE DRAFT EVALUATION CRITERIA THAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT AGAIN, MAKING SURE IT'S A LEGAL ENTITY THAT AT LEAST MEETS SOME MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS THAT ALSO HAS EXPERIENCE IN THIS PROJECT.

AND WE'VE INCORPORATED SOME BONUS POINTS OPTIONS.

SO THOSE THAT KIND OF MEET A HIGHER LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE OR QUALIFICATION, WE'LL GET SOME ADDITIONAL POINTS, MAKING SURE THE PROJECT TEAM THAT'S GOING TO DO THIS PROJECT HAS EXPERIENCE AND HAS THE QUALIFICATIONS IN THIS AREA.

WE REALLY INTENSE EXPECTATION OF A NARRATIVE WITH THEIR PROJECT APPROACHES SO THAT WE'RE AWARE OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DELIVERING.

AND AGAIN, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO ALIGN WITH OUR HOUSING CRISIS RESPONSE SYSTEM, THERE'S BONUS POINTS AND THEN THE RFP NOW EXTENSIVE SECTION ON THE SITE AND UNITS WITH BONUS POINTS IF THEY COME WITH THEIR OWN LAND OR IF THEY HAVE THE APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR WHATEVER HOUSING THEY'RE PROPOSING.

AND THEN WE GO THROUGH REQUESTING INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR BUDGET SCHEDULE AND MANAGEMENT.

AND THEN IF THE PROJECT HAS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF ITS FUNDS ALREADY COMMITTED, THERE'S BONUS POINTS THERE.

AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING FOR PROJECTS THAT MAY HAVE ALREADY REACHED A DIFFERENT LEVEL AND WE'D HAVE HIGHER LEVEL OF SUCCESS OVER TIME.

I'M GETTING OFF THE GROUND.

THE ITEM EIGHT IS REALLY ABOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE WITH DOING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING THIS PROJECT WOULD HAPPEN, MAKING SURE THEY HAVE THEY'RE RESPONSIVE TO THOSE, THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY GET FROM THOSE AND RELATED TO THE PROJECT, ETC..

AND THEN REFERENCES.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF LEGAL POINTS.

AND MARCELO, ONE IS HERE IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS OR OBVIOUSLY MATT CAN ANSWER, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL IS REMINDED THAT IF WE ARE TO GO THROUGH THIS RFP PROCESS, JUST CAUTIONING YOU NOT TO HAVE THOSE COMMUNICATIONS WITH POTENTIAL RESPONDENTS TO MAKE SURE THE PROCESS IS FAIR AND EQUITABLE.

THAT HOUSE BILL SORRY, THERE'S A TYPO THERE.

HOSPITAL 1925 OBVIOUSLY COULD CREATE SOME DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS ON ANY PROJECT THAT COMES FORWARD, AND THAT'S THE HOUSE BILL THAT SAYS IF A PROJECT IS HAPPENING ON

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PUTTING TOGETHER A PROPOSAL OF HOW THAT PROJECT WOULD LOOK TO SEE IF TD HCA WOULD EVEN ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN.

AND THEN AGAIN, IF YOU DO DECIDE TO COMMIT ANY RESOURCES TO THIS THAT WE WOULD WANT CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ASSETS ARE COVERED AND RECOVERABLE IF THE PROJECT DOESN'T MAKE.

AND THEN THERE MAY BE ALSO ADDITIONAL REVIEW THAT'S GOING TO BE NECESSARY DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF PROJECT.

SO JUST KEEPING YOU AWARE OF THOSE PARTICULAR NUANCES.

SO WE STRUGGLED A LITTLE BIT WITH HOW TO DETERMINE WHAT THE TYPE OF COSTS MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

BUT WE WERE FORTUNATE TO COME ACROSS A STUDY FROM THE FOUNDATION OUT OF LA AND IT LOOKED AT LA IS TINY HOMES AND DID A REALLY PARDON ME THOROUGH ANALYSIS.

THEY HAVE NINE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TINY HOME PROJECTS, EVERYTHING FROM TENT ENCAMPMENTS ALL THE WAY UP TO FULLY PREFAB PREFAB UNITS ON A PROPERTY.

AND SO THEY WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT ALL NINE OF THOSE AND EVALUATE THEIR COST ASSESSMENT.

SO WHAT WE DID WAS PULL THAT INFORMATION KIND OF GIVE YOU AN ANALYSIS HERE.

IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE LIKE EXACTLY WHAT SOMETHING WOULD COST IF IT'S HAPPENED HERE, BUT IS TRYING TO HELP GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE POTENTIAL COST IS.

BECAUSE WHEN WE SAW THE RFP, YOU SAW A LOT OF VARIETY IN WHAT THE COST OF A PROJECT WOULD BE.

WE WANTED TO TRY TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR YOU.

AND THEN WE LOOKED AT OUR OWN LAND VALUE PER ACRE, SO REAL ESTATE PROVIDED US WITH ANALYSIS.

SO YOUR LAND PARDON ME, LAND VALUE IS BETWEEN ONE.

250,000 BASED ON RECENT SALES.

AND THEN WHEN THIS LOOKED AT LA CONSTRUCTION, EVERYTHING IN THE PRE CONSTRUCTION, THESE ONE TIME COSTS THAT WILL COME IN BEFORE THE PROJECT EVEN GETS OFF THE GROUND.

AGAIN, ALL TYPES OF DIFFERENT TINY HOME PROJECTS.

THE COST WAS LOOKING AT BETWEEN 32,060 5000 PER BED FOR THE COST TO BUILD THAT INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A PARTICULAR PROJECT.

AND THEN WITH ONGOING OPERATIONAL COSTS, LA REIMBURSES ITS SHELTERS $55 A NIGHT.

SO IT TOOK THAT ANALYSIS AND SAID THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR A SHELTER TO DO IT AND DID ANALYSIS.

AND SO THEY CAME UP WITH AT 365 DAYS, $55 A NIGHT COMES OUT TO ABOUT $20,000 PER BED ANNUALLY.

TO ME, THAT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF A 1600 DOLLARS A MONTH RENTAL UNIT.

IF WE WERE TO PUT SOMEONE IN AN APARTMENT, THAT'S WHAT THAT COST WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND THEN ITEM FOUR, WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT LEVEL OF INVESTMENT WE WOULD BE MAKING IN HELPING THE PROJECT MOVE ALONG THROUGH THE PROCESS AND OR IN ITS OVERSIGHT. SO THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL COSTS, SO THEY WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF.

SO THAT CHART AT THE TOP GIVES YOU KIND OF AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, AND WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS IN LINE WITH.

SO BACK IN 2018, WE VISITED SEATTLE, AND SEATTLE WAS ALSO DOING TINY HOME PROJECTS AT THE TIME, AND THEIR INITIAL INVESTMENT JUST TO PUT SHEDS ON PARKING LOTS WAS ABOUT 500,000.

THEN JUST TO GET ONE GOING.

SO I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE FAIRLY REALISTIC.

LET'S SEE. ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY THERE? SO WE DID THE ANALYSIS JUST ON AN AVERAGE SAYING IF SOMEONE WERE TO DO A TINY HOME PROJECT OF 30 BEDS, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

SO TO GET IT OFF THE GROUND, ABOUT $2 MILLION TO KEEP IT GOING ANNUALLY, ABOUT 600,000.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT BRINGS US TO KIND OF THE LAST SLIDE.

AND WHAT WE'LL BE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT TODAY IS SORT OF WHAT OPTIONS YOU'RE LOOKING AT AS WE CONSIDER THE RFP PROCESS.

SO SCENARIO ONE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE LAND PURCHASED BY THE CITY, CASSIE'S HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL, BUT WE DID ANNOUNCE OF HOW WE MIGHT FUND THAT.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ONE TIME INVESTMENT OUT OF THE FUND BALANCE FOR THE LAND PURCHASE, AND THEN THE ONGOING COST WOULD THEN BE BUILT INTO THE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST FOR FUTURE BUDGET IN 2324.

SAME THING ON THE SCENARIO TWO, NO LAND PURCHASE.

WE JUST BE LOOKING AT THE ONGOING OPERATIONAL BUDGET BEING REQUESTED THROUGH THE TAX THROUGH THROUGH TAX REVENUE RATES, THROUGH THE BUDGET ANNUALLY IN 2324 OR SCENARIO THREE WHERE COUNCIL DECIDES TODAY NO LAND COMMITMENT OR ANY ONGOING COMMITMENT OF FUNDING, REALLY THEN THE RFP IS NOT NECESSARY.

WE WOULD JUST LET ANY PROJECT INTERESTED GO THROUGH THE REGULAR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL BRING YOU DOWN FOR A DISCUSSION.

GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO GET OUT OF THE WAY EARLY FROM A FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, I HAVE ONE I HAD A PITCH THAT WAS APPROVED TO BRING BACK UPDATED POLICY ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADJUST TO LIFE AFTER THE SHELTERS UP AND RUNNING.

AND WE'VE INVESTED $11 MILLION IN THAT SHELTER OF TAXPAYER MONEY THAT I THINK WE THE. WISDOM SAYS WAIT AND SEE HOW THE SHELTER FUNCTIONS AND THE REACTION TO THAT.

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SO I THINK THIS DECISION IS EARLY.

AND SO MY DIRECTION IS SCENARIO THREE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MAGUIRE COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

IS IT THE INTENTION OF STAFF THAT THE FIVE OBJECTIVES THAT THAT THAT A PROJECT THAT'S APPLYING OR THAT THAT'S SUBMITTING A PROPOSAL MUST MEET ALL FIVE OF THE OBJECTIVES? OR IS IT THE INTENTION OF STAFF TO PERHAPS HAVE MULTIPLE PROJECTS, SOME OF WHICH MEET SOME OBJECTIVES AND OTHERS MEET OTHER OBJECTIVES? SO THAT'S JUST GUIDANCE IN THE INTRODUCTION.

IT'S JUST SORT OF HELP PEOPLE THINK THROUGH WHAT THEIR PROJECT LOOKS LIKE.

BUT IN THE EVALUATION CRITERIA, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BEING EVALUATED.

THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL FIVE OF THOSE AS A MINIMUM CRITERIA.

THANK YOU, MR. MCGEE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

I JUST WONDERED IF YOU COULD FORECAST WHAT IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? HB 1295 WHAT IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE IF, YOU KNOW, SEEKING STATE AUTHORIZATION FOR THIS? HOW, HOW HOW CUMBERSOME IS THAT PROCESS GOING TO BE? ARE THERE ANY SIMILAR AUTHORIZATIONS THAT MUNICIPALITIES HAVE TO SEEK LIKE THIS, THAT THEY MIGHT FOLLOW A FRAMEWORK OR THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA YET? YEAH, I CAN ANSWER A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, JUST KNOWING HOW TDA WORKS.

SO IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH APPROVAL OF THE TDA BOARD, WHICH THEY DON'T MEET MONTHLY.

SO I'M SURE WHATEVER WE PROPOSE, IT LINES OUT HOW THE PROPOSAL WILL HAVE TO LOOK IN APPLICATION.

SO THEY'VE GIVEN US A STRUCTURE, BUT NO ONE HAS GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE IS.

BUT IT WOULD INCLUDE PROBABLY A TDCJ BOARD APPROVAL.

SO IT'S PROBABLY MONTHS IN THE MAKING.

RIGHT. AND JUST ON THE LEGAL SIDE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ASSURANCE THAT IT WILL BE APPROVED.

THAT'S THE KIND OF THE RISK YOU HAVE GOING FORWARD.

THAT PLAN IS I DON'T THINK THEY'RE UNDER ANY OBLIGATION TO APPROVE A PLAN THAT'S SUBMITTED TO THEM SO THEY'LL HAVE A RUBRIC OR GUIDELINES.

OKAY. SO WE'RE FLYING BLIND IF OK.

ALL RIGHT. THERE'S NOT BEEN A PROPOSAL SENT TO THEM YET.

I'VE BEEN LOOKING TO SEE.

YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PATEL. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO I SEE THAT WE'VE TAKEN SORT OF THAT THAT VARIETY THAT MORE THAN A BUFFET WAS JUST SORT OF EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD FROM THAT APRIL MEETING. AND WE'VE KIND OF TARGETED DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

AND IT'S IN I APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE ADOPTING THAT INTO A LARGER STRATEGY FOR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.

I GUESS CAN YOU CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH A LITTLE BIT? I THOUGHT IN THE APRIL MEETING THAT WE HAD A LITTLE MORE DIRECTION IN TERMS OF HOW THIS THIS RFP WAS GOING TO BE STRUCTURED IN TERMS OF SORT OF THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS.

AND I SEE THAT WE'VE MOVED IN THAT DIRECTION.

BUT I GUESS CAN YOU CAN YOU HIGHLIGHT THE POINTS FOR ME AGAIN WHERE WHERE WE WERE SORT OF IN THIS OVERALL TRANSITIONAL HOUSING STRATEGY WHERE WE WERE SORT OF I THINK WHAT MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT WE HAD GOTTEN MORE OF A TINY STRUCTURE, TINY HOMES, ORIENTATION DIRECTION FROM THAT APRIL MEETING.

AS I RECALL, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF PROPOSALS PUT OUT AND THE CONSENSUS WAS NOT NECESSARILY RECAPITULATING DEVOS'S PROPOSAL, BUT IN THAT SPIRIT AND THAT FLAVOR.

AND CAN YOU CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IT FEELS LIKE WE HAVEN'T REALLY MOVED MUCH FROM APRIL, OTHER THAN A LOT OF THIS FEELS LIKE IT.

WE'RE WE'RE KIND OF RESTATING WHAT WE STAYED IN IN APRIL AGAIN.

SO I GUESS CAN YOU CAN YOU HIGHLIGHT FOR ME WHERE WE WHERE WE'RE ADVANCING ON THIS A LITTLE BIT? WELL, IT BRINGS THE RFP PROCESS TO THE TABLE IF YOU ALL ARE GOING TO COMMIT RESOURCES.

BUT MAYBE IT'D BE HELPFUL IF YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU FEEL LIKE IS NOT INCLUDED THAT YOU THOUGHT WAS ASKED FOR.

BECAUSE WE DID RESTATE A LOT OF THINGS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HEAR CONTRADICTIONS TO MAKING SURE IT FITS INTO OUR HOUSING CRISIS RESPONSE SYSTEM, THAT IT'S ON OUR CONTINUUM OF SERVICES. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC THAT YOU FEEL LIKE IS MISSING, MAYBE WE CAN ADDRESS IT THAT WAY.

WHAT I WAS SENSING WAS THE ONE THING IN PARTICULAR I'LL GIVE AS AN EXAMPLE IS AT THE TIME, ONE OF THE QUALMS THAT SEEMED FROM STAFF WAS, SAY, THE PARTICULARS OF THE RUDELL PROPERTY AS A CASE EXAMPLE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WE HAD DISCUSSED WAS THAT AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE AS PART OF NOW MOVING FORWARD, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WHERE WHERE STAFF THOUGHT BETTER LOCATIONS MIGHT BE, ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES MIGHT BE.

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AND SO I ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO COME BACK WITH WAS IF WE WANTED A TINY HOME STRUCTURE, A TINY HOME VILLAGE, ANYTHING IN THAT FLAVOR, WHAT WOULD A A MATCHING PROPOSAL BE? AND IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE MORE IN THIS IS A TRANSITIONAL HOUSING RFP UNLESS WE HAVEN'T IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVEN'T REALLY QUITE TAKEN THAT EXTRA HALF STEP IN THAT DIRECTION THAT I THOUGHT AND MAYBE THE REST OF COUNCIL CAN, CAN, WILL DISABUSE ME OF THIS NOTION THAT I THOUGHT WE HAD DIRECTION TO KIND OF MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION MORE. SO I'LL SAY WE EXPANDED IT TO ALLOW A BROADER CROSS-SECTION OF HOUSING OPTIONS TO MAKE THAT MORE REASONABLE FOR WHAT THE LAND USE IS AVAILABLE TO US.

BUT WE ALSO DID LOOK AT AND WE HAD REAL ESTATE POOL PROPERTIES, SO WE PULLED THAT WERE FIVE POTENTIAL CITY PROPERTIES THAT MIGHT BE VIABLE.

AND THEN REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES REVIEWED THOSE FIVE PROPERTIES, NARROWED IT DOWN TO TWO POSSIBILITIES, BUT NEITHER ONE OF THEM IS ZONED APPROPRIATELY YET.

WELL, ONE IS.

BUT EVEN THOSE TWO PROPERTIES HAVE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES.

AND REALLY IN OUR CONVERSATION WITH STAFF, WE DIDN'T FIND A PROPERTY THAT CAN REALISTICALLY MEET THE NEEDS OF THIS PROJECT.

SO IN THAT LIGHT OF VAIN, IT'S JUST THEN NOW EXPANDING THE HOUSING OPTIONS SO THAT WE MAKE SURE IT'S NOT JUST LOOKING AT ONE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO MATCH TO OUR CURRENT DEVELOPMENT CODE AND USAGE AND STILL ALLOW FOR OTHER OPTIONS TO COME FORWARD.

SO. I'LL SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE DIRECTION AT LEAST AS WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT WHAT WE RECEIVED FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE AND WHICH OBVIOUSLY LED TO DANNY'S PRESENTATION, I DON'T KNOW IN THE WAY YOU KIND OF YOU PUT IT OUT IN YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE GET SOMETHING THAT PRECISE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.

IT WAS MORE SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS ARE STILL OUT THERE COME WITH DETAIL ON WHAT AN RFP WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THIS WORK SESSION, AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD GET DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL. SO I THINK FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THAT WAS WHY YOU SAW THE PRESENTATION LAID OUT THE WAY IT WAS.

ALL RIGHT. AND I TAKE THAT IN THAT IT'S WE NEED A MORE COMPREHENSIVE FRAMEWORK AND THAT WILL ALLOW, AS I THINK COUNSELOR MAGUIRE SAID, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOR MULTIPLE PROJECTS TO POTENTIALLY GET GOING.

YOU KNOW, AS I RECALL AND ACTUALLY DANNY WILL KNOW THIS NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF HER HEAD.

WHAT'S OUR OVERALL UNHOUSED POPULATION LIKE? 600,000 IN DENTON COUNTY, OUR DENTON COUNTY DATA DASHBOARD SHOWS ABOUT 636, THAT'S COUNTY WIDE, THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE SYSTEM AND ON THE HOUSING PRIORITY LIST.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE REPORT THAT WE HAD WHILE BACK ON OUR OUR OUR HOUSING STRATEGIES AND THIS I THINK AND I REALLY APPLAUD THAT WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT MULTIPLE HOUSING STRATEGIES, NOT JUST ONE.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A SINGLE MAGIC BULLET THAT SOLVES THIS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE, AS YOU'VE SAID A COUPLE OF TIMES, A COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY.

AND SO I LIKE THAT THAT WE HAVE THAT FRAMEWORK.

IT JUST IT FELT LIKE I DON'T KNOW, IT FELT LIKE WE HAD KIND OF RESISTED MOVING FORWARD A LITTLE MORE THAN I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO.

I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO EXPLORE MORE.

WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THIS OFF THE GROUND? AND I FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE'RE MORE OF A STEP ZERO ON THAT ONE, SO.

WELL, MAYOR, I THINK WE'RE NOT A STEP ZERO BECAUSE WE MADE IT VERY CLEAR IN THE LAST SESSION THAT WE'D HAVE TO DO A COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, THAT WE COULDN'T JUST GO AHEAD AND START ONE.

WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT LAND AND WE DID DO OUR RESEARCH AND EVEN A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE SAID, YOU KNOW, THE RYEDALE PROPERTY WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE THEIR FIRST CHOICE BECAUSE OF CLOSE PROXIMITY.

THE UNKNOWN WITH THE ROADWAY SYSTEM AND THE ONLY OTHER ONE WE HAVE IS THE PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED BY DMG THAT'S SITTING RIGHT NOW A BUNCH OF THE AREAS BEING STAGED FOR ELECTRICAL WORK UP AND DOWN ROADS.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LIMITED.

SO ONCE WE KNEW THAT, AS DANNY MENTIONED IT, WE WENT TO LOOK AT, WELL, HERE'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST THEN.

IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION COUNCIL WANTS TO GO, HERE'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST.

WE'LL HAVE TO BUY LAND.

WE DON'T KNOW WHERE OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT WE WE'D HAVE TO BUY LAND TO TO DO WHATEVER THE COUNCIL'S DESIRE WAS, WHETHER IT WAS TINY STRUCTURES, TINY HOMES, THOSE CONTAINERS, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO IT'S REALLY I MEAN, I THINK WE MENTIONED MULTIPLE TIMES THEN I THINK THE NEXT STEP FOR US IS TO COME BACK WITH YOU WITH THE PARAMETERS OF AN RFP THAT REALLY

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SO ANYONE AND EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO PUT IN A BID TO TO BE A PART OF THIS HAS THAT OPPORTUNITY.

AND THEN THEY WOULD THEN FILL IN THOSE BLANKS.

HERE'S WHAT WE CAN DO. HERE'S HOW MUCH WE CAN PUT IN IT.

HERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO BUILD.

I KNOW WE'LL HAVE TO FIND LAND THAT MEETS THAT CRITERIA, BUT IT'S NOT.

AND TO COUNCILMEMBER MCGUIRE'S POINT, NO, IT'S NOT RESTRICTIVE IN SOME AREAS.

THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO AS MUCH, BUT THEY COULD DO MORE IN ANOTHER.

THEY HAVE SERVICES THEY'RE BRINGING TO THE TABLE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

THIS IS REALLY THE THE CREAM ON THE ON THE THE TOP, WHICH IS OC WHO CAN DO IT AND WHAT ARE YOU BRINGING TO THE TABLE? AND THEN TO WHAT EXTENT ARE YOU GOING TO NEED THE CITY TO CHIP IN? AND THAT'S REALLY IT IN A NUTSHELL.

AND THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE THOSE THREE OPTIONS.

ONE IS YOU NO ONE IS SAYING, DON'T DO ANYTHING, WAIT TILL 288 OPENS.

BUT THE OTHERS ARE DON'T BUY THE LAND.

SOMEBODY HAS THE LAND AND THEN JUST WAIT.

WELL, NO RFP NECESSARY, WHICH THAT IS ANOTHER OPTION.

BUT AGAIN, COUNCIL CAN GIVE US KIND OF DIRECTION TO SAY, WELL, MOVE FORWARD, START LOOKING FOR LAND.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED YOU TO ADD A BUNCH OF MONEY TO THE BUDGET.

AND THEN WE WANT TO WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN SOME OPERATING COSTS, WHICH WE GAVE YOU A REALLY GOOD ESTIMATE, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS REALLY GOOD BECAUSE WE WERE STRUGGLING.

BUT WE NOW KNOW THROUGH WHETHER IT'S LOS ANGELES OR WHAT WAS THE OTHER CITY, SEATTLE, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST NO MATTER WHO DOES IT.

CITY, NONPROFIT, A PROFIT MAKING COMPANY.

THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST IN A PRETTY ROUGH ESTIMATE, BUT I'D SAY PRETTY CLOSE.

AND AND SO REALLY, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE MISSING, BUT I THOUGHT WE BROUGHT IT BACK TO WHERE WE KIND OF SAID THAT'S WHERE WE WERE HEADED.

AND I DO WANT TO RESPOND, I THINK THAT THAT THAT HAVING THAT THAT THOSE CONCEPTS.

AND THAT THOSE LINE ITEMS WAS REALLY HELPFUL AND I APPRECIATE THAT BEING INCLUDED THAT THAT WAS A COMPREHENSIVE PIECE THAT I THINK THAT WAS EXPANDED ON.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

I THINK ONE SORT OF FOLLOW UP QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS THAT SORT OF MAYBE WASN'T ADDRESSED IS SORT OF LAND LEASE OPTIONS? I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WAS REALLY ADDRESSED.

WE SEEM TO BE FOCUSING ON PURCHASING.

AND AND I DO I DO THINK THAT THERE THERE WAS SORT OF NOT DIRECTION TO NECESSARILY GO WITH A PARTICULAR VENDOR, BUT.

VENDOR WHAT HOWEVER APPLICANT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO TURN THAT.

BUT SOMETHING IN THE FLAVOR OF WHAT WE WERE PRESENTED IN APRIL.

AND SO I THINK I APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE TAKEN SOME STEPS IN THAT REGARD.

ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY CLEAR AND I SORT OF WANT TO REITERATE IT HERE TONIGHT OR THIS AFTERNOON, WAS THAT IT SEEMED LIKE THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL LAST TIME.

AND AGAIN, THE REST OF YOU DISABUSE ME OF THIS WAS THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVES, SOLUTIONS, BECAUSE THOSE WOULD HELP GAP ANALYSIS OR HELP SATISFY NEEDS ANALYSIS FOR GAPS IN IN THE FACT THAT OTHER TRADITIONAL UNHOUSED OPPORTUNITIES WERE NOT NECESSARILY MEETING THOSE. AND SO I THINK THEY'RE TO THE POINT OF I FORGET WHO SAID IT, BUT TO THE TO THE TO THE POINT OF GETTING IN LINE.

I THINK ONE OF THE GOALS OF THAT DIRECTION I HEARD ANYWAY WAS LOOKING FOR AN ALTERNATIVE BECAUSE THE TRADITIONAL ONES WERE NOT NECESSARILY MEETING.

THEY WERE THERE WERE SOME STILL SOME GAPS THAT WERE NOT BEING FILLED.

SO I THINK WE ADDRESSED THAT IN THE PRESENTATION, BOTH FROM THE THE FIVE ITEMS AND ONE OF THOSE IS NON CONGREGATE OPTIONS, WHICH IS A BARRIER AND UNDERSTANDING THAT, BUT ALSO THAT IT IS AN ALIGNMENT WITH BOTH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING STRATEGIC TOOLKIT AND ITS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, AND THAT ALTERNATE HOUSING OPTIONS ARE NEEDED IN OUR SYSTEM SO THAT WE HAVE HOUSING.

SO I THINK HOPEFULLY THAT'S CLEAR AND IT'S NOT THAT THAT'S ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE.

SO MY DIRECTION WOULD BE TO TO TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS AND AND BEGIN TO SOLICIT POTENTIAL APPLICANTS FOR THIS.

MULTIPLE POTENTIAL APPLICANTS.

ANYONE ELSE? CATHERINE BURT.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING US SOME MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ON THIS AND AND BRING IT TO A LEVEL FOR ME TO MAKE A DECISION ON.

I AM GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE GO WITH HOW A SCENARIO ONE BECAUSE I DO REMEMBER COMING OUT OF THAT MEETING THAT WE WERE GOING TO WE AS A CITY ARE GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THESE TYPES OF STRUCTURES.

YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE PART OF OUR CONTRIBUTION FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ROOFS OVER PEOPLE'S HEADS COLLECTIVELY AS A AS A BODY OF PEOPLE.

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IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP, BUT WE CAN DO MORE THAN ONE THING AT A TIME.

SO IF WE IF WE GO WITH SCENARIO NUMBER ONE, I THINK THAT WE WILL BE FULFILLING WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING COMING OUT OF THAT LAST MEETING, ALSO COMING BACK UP HERE TO THE TYPES OF.

THE OTHER PART OF THE PROJECT REQUIREMENTS OF THE TINY STRUCTURES.

AND I THOUGHT THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING MORE TOWARDS IN OUR LAST MEETING WAS MORE SO OF THE TINY STRUCTURES.

BUT IF THESE OTHER AND TINY HOMES BUT IF THESE OTHER HOUSING TYPES ARE ALSO IN CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, WE NEED WE NEED TO JUMP ON THAT AS WELL.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF DWELLINGS WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN NOW.

I THINK RIGHT NOW PEOPLE ARE PURCHASING THOSE.

WHAT YOU SEE ON THE PARKING LOTS OF LOWE'S AND HOME DEPOT, THOSE LITTLE THEY USED TO BE STORAGE UNITS, BUT NOW PEOPLE ARE RETROFITTING THEM FOR SMALLER HOMES.

SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON OUT THERE.

BUT I WANT US AS A CITY, AS A BODY, A GROUP, A CITIZEN, THE PEOPLE, TO SUPPORT THIS MEASURE.

AND I THINK THIS IS A POINT WHERE WE ARE PUTTING PEOPLE IN DWELLINGS THAT ARE WORKING EVERY DAY AND THEY NEED A PLACE TO LIVE.

BUT THEIR SALARIES AND THEIR THEIR HOURLY TAKE HOME PAY NEEDS TO THESE TO THE DWELLING NEEDS TO FIT WHAT THEY CAN, WHAT THEY CAN DO SO THEY CAN REMAIN INDEPENDENT.

I THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT MY GUT FEELING WAS COMING OUT OF THERE IS THAT IF THIS MEANS THAT THIS IS A LITTLE VILLAGE WITH TWO ROOM STRUCTURES, AN AREA FOR BED AND A AREA FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST A LITTLE SMALL SPACE, LIKE A DORM ROOM.

I'M THINKING SOMETHING AS SMALL AS THAT.

THEN WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET, GET, GET A ROOF OVER SOMEBODY'S HEAD THAT'S IN THAT THAT'S IN THAT POSITION.

SOMEONE THAT IS NOT MAKING A LARGE SALARY SOMEWHERE THAT'S NOT MAKING MEDIUM SALARY, BUT SOMEONE THAT IS LOW SKILL THAT COULD STILL OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD.

SO WITH ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, I AM DEFINITELY GOING TO SUPPORT SCENARIO NUMBER ONE.

I WANT US TO CONTINUE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO.

JUST SO IT'S CLEAR, THIS THIS PROJECT WILL BE FOCUSED ON PEOPLE WHO ARE UNSHELTERED OR LITERAL HOMELESSNESS.

SOME OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE ADDRESSING ALSO IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOOLKIT WITH SMALL HOMES, CLUSTER COTTAGES, 80 USE AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU'RE COMING FORWARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AS WELL.

SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT.

AND THEN WITH THE LAND LEASE QUESTION REALLY QUICKLY, JUST AS A REMINDER, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD TRIGGER 1925 IMMEDIATELY IF WE STILL OWN THE LAND.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT WE CAN STILL MAKE THAT AN OPTION.

LIKE IF YOU WENT WITH OPTION ONE AND WE PURCHASED LAND, WE COULD STILL EITHER GIVE IT TO THE NONPROFIT OR LEASE IT.

JUST MAKING SURE THAT WAS CLEAR TO YOU.

ALL RIGHT, ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU.

BEFORE I GIVE DIRECTION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M CLEARLY UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE I'M STILL A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.

SO SCENARIOS ONE AND TWO WOULD BOTH REQUIRE RFPS, BUT SCENARIO THREE WOULD NOT.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

IF THERE'S NO COMMITMENT OF LAND OR NO COMMITMENT OF FUNDING, THEN IT WOULD BE JUST LIKE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING FORWARD.

THEY WOULD GO TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, TRY TO GET THEIR PROJECT DEVELOPED THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

YOU COULD BE OPEN TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT ZONING OR WHATEVER TO HOUSING OPTION, BUT WE WOULDN'T REQUIRE AN RFP OR ANY INTERVENTION FROM THE CITY.

WE WOULD JUST COULD FACILITATE AND I'M STILL MY APOLOGIES.

I KNOW THAT YOU'VE ANSWERED SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, BUT I'M STILL A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT THE OPTION OF LEASING LAND THAT THE CITY ALREADY OWNS.

SO WE HAVE TWO THINGS HAPPENING, RIGHT? WE, WE, WE RESEARCHED, WE DIDN'T WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A VALID PROPERTY THAT THE CITY ALREADY OWNS THAT COULD BE USED FOR THIS PURPOSE.

SO WE, WE WERE UNABLE TO IDENTIFY SOMETHING THAT COULD BE UTILIZED.

SO IT WOULD LIKELY REQUIRE THE PURCHASE OF LAND.

THEN WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE LAND WAS PURCHASED, IF THAT'S YOUR DIRECTION, WOULD BE EITHER TO AWARD IT TO THE NONPROFIT AGENCY THROUGH THIS PROCESS OR LEASE IT AS YOU WERE.

BUT IF YOU'RE LEASING, THEN HOUSE BILL 1925 COMES INTO EFFECT, RIGHT?

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AFTER ANALYSIS FROM A MULTIPLE OF DIFFERENT STAFF GROUPS AND DIFFERENT TEAMS, THERE'S JUST NO THERE'S THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE LOOP 28 IS, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, BUT EVEN THAT IS STAGING RIGHT NOW AND IS IN USE AND SO IT'S JUST NOT VIABLE.

I THEORETICAL QUESTION, I SUPPOSE MAYBE THIS IS FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY IF WE DID.

HAVE A SUITABLE PARCEL.

AND WE DID LEASE IT TO A NONPROFIT.

WOULD THAT REQUIRE AN RFP? NO, WE DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO DO AN RFP IN ORDER TO LEASE LAND THAT THE CITY ALREADY HAS.

THIS IS BEEN PRESENTED AS AN OPTION, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S THE EXCLUSIVE MEANS YOU COULD AWARD OR DO A LEASE WITH A NONPROFIT CURRENTLY WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. BUT IN OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO BE FAIR TO DO THE RFP PROCESS, TO SELECT THE APPROPRIATE NONPROFIT TO DO THAT WITH.

IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY US.

ALL RIGHT. I'M DEFINITELY STILL KIND OF CONFLICTED ABOUT THIS.

BUT MY MY DIRECTION IS SCENARIO ONE.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS BACK.

THIS IS THIS FITS MY RECOLLECTION OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD BACK DURING THE RFI PROCESS, THAT THIS IS THE THIS IS WHAT PROCUREMENT ON A BIG, COMPLICATED PROJECT LOOKS LIKE. YOU HAVE YOUR RFI TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE KNOWN UNIVERSE, WHAT IS THE POSSIBLE UNIVERSE OF PROVIDERS OUT THERE, POSSIBLE PARTNERS.

THEN YOU HAVE AN RFP THAT MOVES YOU DOWN TO A DIFFERENT A DIFFERENT STAGE OF THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE DOING AN RFP BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO START WITH THE GOAL IN MIND AND NOT WITH THE SOLUTION IN MIND.

IDENTIFY WHAT IT IS THAT WE THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO SOLVE AND THEN ASK POTENTIAL PARTNERS TO COME ALONG WITH DIFFERENT IDEAS.

THE PERFECT SOLUTION MAY NOT BE SOMETHING KNOWN TO US AT THIS TIME.

IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT A PARTNER, LIKE YOU SAID, LET'S SEE WHAT THEY DIFFERENT DIFFERENT GROUPS BRING TO THE TABLE.

SOME BRING DIFFERENT KINDS OF RESOURCES.

SOME MIGHT BRING SERVICES.

SO I APPRECIATE THE FLEXIBILITY THAT'S BEEN BUILT INTO THE DRAFT RFP.

IT MAY BE THE THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THE USE OF THE ADDRESS.

THE ISSUE IS A DISTRESSED FORMER HOTEL.

IT MAY BE THAT A SOMETHING THAT'S NOT BEING PUT TO ITS BEST IN HIGHEST USE IS BEST REPURPOSED FOR TINY HOMES.

WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT ANSWER UNTIL WE HAVE ALL THOSE DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS IN FRONT OF US.

AND WE CAN WE CAN PICK AMONG THEM.

SO I APPRECIATE THE RFP.

I DON'T KNOW.

AS I'M SITTING HERE THINKING ABOUT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF LAND AROUND THE CITY, WHETHER IT'S CITY OWNED, WHICH WE WE PUT TO GOOD USE, FOR INSTANCE, PARKS USED BY THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.

WE HAVE A CERTAIN USE FOR THOSE.

WE HAVE UNDEVELOPED LAND IN THE CITY THAT DIFFERENT PRIVATE ENTITIES THAT EITHER WE HAVE WANTED TO PURCHASE AS PARKLAND OR FOR SUBSTATIONS THAT PRIVATE ENTITIES MIGHT WANT TO DEVELOP FOR DIFFERENT THINGS.

AS I'M KIND OF WEIGHING ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS, I'M NOT SURE THAT I FEEL THE NEED TO TODAY SITTING IN THIS ROOM, CHOOSE BETWEEN SCENARIOS ONE, TWO AND THREE.

I FEEL LIKE IF WE PUT AN RFP OUT THERE THAT SAYS JUST LIKE WE DID AT THE RFI, WHAT DO YOU BRING TO THE TABLE? DO YOU BRING DONORS COMMITTED TO HELP YOU GET THREE ACRES OF LAND THAT YOU MIGHT KIND OF HAVE YOUR YOUR EYES ON ALREADY? DO YOU BRING TO THE TABLE SERVICES? BUT YOU WOULD NEED THE THE PURCHASING POWER OF A CITY BEHIND YOU TO TRY TO FIND A PIECE OF LAND THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO BUY OR LONG TERM LEASE FROM THE CURRENT OWNER.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY NEED TO HIM OURSELVES INTO SCENARIO ONE, TWO OR THREE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN RFP THAT LEAVES MORE OPTIONS AND MORE FLEXIBILITY AVAILABLE, KIND OF LIKE WE DID WITH THE RFI.

THE. THE BENEFIT TO DOING THAT IS WE GET TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE WHEREWITHAL OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND WHAT IT IS THEY BRING TO THE TABLE THAT THE CITY CAN THEN LEVERAGE.

AND HOW IS THE CITY HELPING THEM ACHIEVE THE GOAL AND NOT JUST KIND OF SPLITTING RESOURCES INTO SOMETHING? THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT IF THE CITY WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF ESTABLISHED SOME SOME GROUND RULES, RIGHT, THAT THE A PARTNER NEEDS TO BE ENGAGED IN THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE ENGAGED IN.

WE ALL NEED TO BE ROWING IN THE SAME DIRECTION THAT WE NEED TO BE HAVE THE SAME GOALS IN MIND.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE INTERNALLY CONSISTENT ALSO.

IF AS A CITY WE HAVE SAID WE'RE OKAY WITH THE COUNCIL USING CERTAIN PURCHASING OPTIONS IN CERTAIN FUNDS FOR BUYING THAT

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I FIND THAT A LITTLE BIT HERE.

BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE WE'VE SAID.

WHEN WE WANT TO BUY ACRES AND ACRES AND ACRES OR PARKLAND, WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE BONDS TO DO IT.

WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE VOTERS TO SUPPORT BONDS TO DO IT IF WE ARE GOING TO BUY A LARGE PARCEL OF LAND.

IF WE'RE GOING TO START, THEN HAVING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW DO WE AFFORD THAT PARCEL OF LAND? I THINK A BOND ISSUE WOULD HAVE TO BE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE TO ASK THE VOTERS, DO YOU WANT YOUR MONEY TO GO TO BUYING THREE, FIVE, TEN, 12 ACRES OF LAND THAT WILL BE PUT TO THE USE OF A CERTAIN SUBSET OF PEOPLE? WE DO THAT WITH PARKS.

WE DID THAT. I CAN'T THINK OF A MAJOR LAND PURCHASE THAT WE'VE MADE THAT HAS NOT BEEN VETTED THROUGH THAT VOTER PROCESS.

SO IT'S A QUESTION FOR A DIFFERENT DAY FOR WHEN WE GET TO THE IDEA OF WHETHER WE'RE PURCHASING LAND OR NOT.

BUT I DON'T I WOULDN'T WANT TO HIM OURSELVES IN WITH THE RFP TO SAY IT'S GOT TO BE ONE, TWO OR THREE TODAY.

IT'S WHAT DO YOU BRING TO THE TABLE? OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILWOMAN. MCGEE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

YOU'VE CLEARLY DONE A LOT OF HOMEWORK ON THIS.

WHAT IS OF PARTICULAR INTEREST TO ME IS WHEN YOU RAN DOWN THE NUMBERS OF PROJECTED COSTS FROM BOTH SEATTLE AND LOS ANGELES AND YOU SAID SOMETHING IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU ESSENTIALLY SAID WHAT WE'D BE DOING IS WE'D BE ESSENTIALLY SPENDING THE EQUIVALENT VALUE OF 1600 DOLLAR A MONTH APARTMENT.

CORRECT. OBVIOUSLY, I THINK THAT IS CLEARLY THE MORE PREFERABLE SOLUTION.

BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOME UNHOUSED FOLKS MIGHT NOT WANT TO GO TO PLACES WHERE THERE ARE SERVICES.

SO LET ME ASK QUICK A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.

THE FACILITY ON 288, IT'S LOOKING AT BEING OPENED IN DECEMBER, CORRECT? GREAT. SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE IN NOVEMBER WE'LL HAVE THERE THEY TO BE ABLE TO START MOVING IN IN THE MIDDLE OF DECEMBER AND THEN AS LONG AS IT TAKES THEM TO MOVE IN AND GET OPERATIONAL. OPEN OK I LOOKED, BUT LET ME JUST HEAR YOU SAY IT.

SINCE I WASN'T A MEMBER OF THIS BODY, THEN HOW MUCH HAS THE CITY INVESTED IN THAT FACILITY ALREADY? OH, THE CURRENT FUNDING, I MEAN, WE'VE WE'VE ALLOCATED 11 MILLION PLUS THE 3.3 TO BUY THE PROPERTY.

SO $11 MILLION OF TAXPAYER MONEY HAS ALREADY GONE INTO A FACILITY THAT IS NOT YET OPEN, THAT WE DON'T PARTICULARLY KNOW HOW WELL IT IS GOING TO PERFORM.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE, MR. DAVIS, ON THIS.

I ACTUALLY DON'T LIKE ANY OF THE THREE SCENARIOS.

HONESTLY, WHAT I FAVOR IS THE MAYOR'S APPROACH.

I REALLY WANT TO WAIT AND SEE.

I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE THIS DECISION A COUPLE OF MONTHS INTO THE NEW YEAR SO WE CAN SEE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE NEW FACILITY OR THEY DON'T.

SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS. I KNOW YOU WENT WE WENT OVER THIS IN OUR IN OUR MEETING LAST WEEK, BUT.

HOW MANY PEOPLE IS THE FACILITY ON TWO OF THE EIGHT GOING TO GOING TO A HOUSE CONSISTENTLY FULL TIME.

SO IT HAS ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY SHELTER OVERNIGHT, 120 PEOPLE AND THEN ANOTHER 42 BEDS FOR WHAT WE CALL THE ENHANCED SHELTER MODEL.

SO UPWARDS OF 160 ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT COULD BE HOUSED IN THE FACILITY, NOT TO MENTION THE ABILITY TO DO OVERFLOW IN THE DINING HALL AREA DURING INCLEMENT WEATHER.

SO IT'S IT'S DESIGNED TO BE A MULTIPURPOSE ROOM THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT AS WELL.

SO WE'RE TALKING IN TERMS OF NUMBERS, MORE THAN BEING ABLE TO DOUBLE THE CAPACITY OF MONSIGNOR KING AT HIS CURRENT CAPACITY.

CAPACITY, YES. CLOSE TO CLOSE TO DOUBLE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ALL CAN FORGIVE ME, MR. MAYOR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ALL CAN DO WITH MY DIRECTION, BUT I DON'T LIKE EITHER SCENARIO RIGHT NOW.

I FAVOR WAITING AND SEEING HOW WELL THE FACILITY IS GOING TO PERFORM.

WE HAVE ALREADY SET ASIDE SO MUCH TAXPAYER MONEY.

I, I CAMPAIGNED ON MAKING SURE WE HAD A TINY HOME VILLAGE AND I STILL BELIEVE ONE IS NEEDED.

BUT MR. WATTS TALKS ABOUT DATA ALL THE TIME.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE DATA SO WE CAN TAKE TO THE VOTERS TO JUSTIFY SPENDING MORE MONEY IF WE'RE GOING TO PURCHASE LAND.

IF I HAD TO IF I HAD TO MAKE A DECISION, I WOULD FAVOR SCENARIO ONE.

BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T FAVOR EITHER SCENARIO RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO WAIT AND SEE HOW IT PERFORMS. THAT MAKES SENSE. YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN WATTS, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHERE TO BEGIN.

I THINK I'VE HEARD A LOT OF CONVERSATION TODAY ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR VENDOR THAT'S EN ROUTE, EL, THAT WANTS TO PUT PEOPLE IN SHEDS.

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YEAH, THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS YOUR COSTS.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT FORGET THE LAND PER BED IS $42,344.

WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT THAT'S THE COST TO GET IT? IS THAT A REGULAR CONSTRUCTION? IS THAT ACTUALLY INCLUDED DIFFERENT TYPES OF.

SO AGAIN, WE DID A RANGE.

SO THE LOWEST PRICE WAS TENTS ON A PARKING LOT WITH ELECTRICAL AND WATER LINES RUN TO IT.

THAT'S 3130 2000, RIGHT UP TO PRE-FAB BUILDINGS THROUGH A MAKER CALLED PALLET WITH PRE-FAB KITCHEN FACILITIES, LAUNDRY FACILITIES.

SO THAT WAS THE MORE HIGH COST ONES AT 65,000.

WELL, I CAN TELL YOU, I'M UNEQUIVOCALLY AGAINST PUTTING PEOPLE IN TENTS AND SHEDS WITH NO HEATING OR COOLING.

WE HEARD SO MUCH CONSTERNATION ABOUT THE ANIMALS AND THE ANIMAL SHELTER DURING THE 4TH OF JULY CELEBRATION.

AND THOSE ANIMALS WOULD HAVE BETTER FACILITIES THAN WHAT PEOPLE WOULD BE PUTTING IN SHEDS.

I THINK IT'S UNBELIEVABLE THAT WE'RE EVEN STILL TALKING ABOUT THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO WE'VE GOT 160 BEDS AT THE NEW SHELTER MAXIMUM, KIND OF IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT TIMES 42,000.

ALL RIGHT. I DID THE 20,000, WHICH WAS THE ONGOING.

SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

160 TIMES.

42,000 IS 6 MILLION, 700,000.

WE ARE ALMOST DOUBLE MORE THAN THAT.

I'M JUST USING THIS DATA.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOOD OR BAD.

I'M JUST SAYING. SO OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE WE'VE SPENT ALMOST 80,000 A BED.

ONGOING COSTS FOR THE SHELTER OUT THERE IS 20,000 ACCORDING TO THIS.

THAT EQUALS TWO POINT LOTS MORE THAN THAT.

I DID IT ON 140 BEDS.

LET'S JUST SAY $2.8 MILLION ON GOING COST.

NOW, THEORETICALLY, WE HAVE A NONPROFIT AGENCY WHO'S GOING TO BE DOING THAT.

RIGHT, WHICH I DID THE MATH ON THAT, TOO.

AND THAT'S ABOUT $18 A BED WE'RE PAYING WE ARE GIVING THEM CURRENTLY UNDER THE AGREEMENT WE'LL HAVE WHEN THEY START OPERATING IT.

SO WE HAVE A STABLE NONPROFIT RUNNING THE PROGRAM THAT'S ABLE TO DO IT.

YES. AND I DON'T ALWAYS LOOK AT THE GRASS IS GREENER.

I ALWAYS LOOK AT SOME. SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THOSE AGENCIES ARE UNABLE TO NECESSARILY RAISE I MEAN, YOU'RE WE'RE ONLY PAYING $18 A BED.

THAT'S I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

I MEAN, $10 OR 20 400,000 A YEAR.

HOW MUCH? 400,000.

400,000. SO THEY'VE GOT TO RAISE 2 MILLION PLUS TO OPERATE IT.

IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, MY HUNCH IS THAT WILL FALL UPON THE CITY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE DO THAT.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHO I AGREE WITH, EXCEPT THAT WE'VE GOT A BIG FACILITY THAT WE'VE SPENT $12 MILLION ON, WHICH WHEN I STARTED THIS BACK EIGHT OR NINE YEARS AGO AND WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS FACILITY ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, IT WAS HALF OF THAT.

IT WAS HALF OF THAT.

SO WHATEVER WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET FOR A TRANSITIONAL OR TINY HOMES, WE CAN DOUBLE THAT.

WE CAN DOUBLE IT. AND SO WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE, DO WE WANT TO BE SPENDING WE'RE SPENDING 12 MILLION WE'RE SPENDING 400,000 A YEAR THAT MAY GO UP ON THIS PROJECT.

BUT WHATEVER WE DO, WE'VE GOT TO PROVIDE PEOPLE A SHELTER, ONE THAT'S VIABLE, ONE THAT IS IS NOT AGAINST A HEALTH HAZARD, ONE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE.

IF YOU'RE IN IF YOU'RE IN A SHED THAT HAS A DECK BOARD AND A ROOF AND A COUPLE OF WINDOWS AND IT'S 100 DEGREES OUTSIDE, GUESS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE GOING? YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO BE GOING TO A COOLING CENTER OR YOU'RE GOING TO BE GOING OUT TO THE SHELTER BECAUSE PEOPLE DIE IN THOSE KIND OF ENVIRONMENTS, YOU KNOW? AND WE CAN'T BE WE CAN'T BE PART OF THAT IF THAT'S THE SITUATION.

SO I'VE SAID THIS ALL ALONG.

THIS IS NOT A DIFFERENT OPINION.

THAT IS A BAD IDEA.

AND I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY WOULD WANT TO PUT PEOPLE IN SITUATIONS THAT ARE WORSE THAN WE PUT ANIMALS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RESCUE.

AND WE ARE FULFILLING THAT MISSION BY BUILDING A $12 MILLION FACILITY.

I REMEMBER WHEN THE ANIMAL SHELTER GOT BUILT, PEOPLE WERE SAYING, GOSH, WE'RE BUILDING A FACILITY WHEN WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A FACILITY FOR PEOPLE.

AND AT THAT TIME, WE DIDN'T.

NOW WE DO. AND I THINK WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THAT A CHANCE TO WORK.

I THINK WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OUT THERE.

BECAUSE IF IT'S A RAVING SUCCESS, LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER.

WE CAN WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ONE THING AT A TIME, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT AN RFP OUT.

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WHAT IF WE HAVE TO FUND A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS OUT THERE EVENTUALLY? AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY CAN'T, AND THAT'S NOT ANY DISPARAGING COMMENT.

BUT THE CITY HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THINGS BEFORE WHERE WE'VE HAD TO DO THAT.

AND THEN WE'RE ALSO DOING SOMETHING ELSE AT THE TUNE OF ABOUT A MILLION.

NOW WE GOT $3 MILLION A YEAR.

WE GOT $12 MILLION IN COSTS.

WHO KNOWS WHAT? I THINK THIS IS FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE TO CONSIDER THIS AT THIS TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE SO CLOSE TO PROVIDING A DOUBLING OF THE SHELTER. AND I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO GO THERE.

SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO GO THERE.

I GET IT. THAT'S THEIR CHOICE.

NOBODY CAN MAKE ANYBODY DO ANYTHING.

BUT WE ARE PROVIDING AN OPTION THAT IS BETTER THAN ANYTHING WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, NOT JUST FOR EMERGENCY SHELTER, BUT THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICES THAT ARE AVAILABLE OUT THERE. YES.

ISN'T THERE GOING TO BE POTENTIAL TRANSITIONAL HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING THEY CAN'T AFFORD? YEAH. THE ENHANCED SHELTER MODEL IS THEY CAN'T AFFORD A 1600 AND A 1600 DOLLARS ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT.

I KNOW WE SAY WE'VE GOT AN AFFORDABILITY IN HERE IN THIS TOWN, BUT I KNOW A LOT OF APARTMENT OWNERS WHO ARE NOT GETTING 1600 DOLLARS FOR THEIR ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS.

SO BUT SO WE'RE OFFERING MANY MORE OPPORTUNITIES THAN JUST AN EMERGENCY SHELTER.

SO LET'S GIVE THIS HUGE PROJECT SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN BEHIND, SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN BEHIND, SOMETHING THAT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL HAS BEEN BEHIND AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK.

THE LAST THING WE NEED TO DO IS START THROWING A BUNCH OF MONEY AT SOMETHING.

WE HAVE NO DATA ON IF IT'S GOING TO WORK OR NOT.

AND IF WE DO WIND UP DOING AN RFP, WE HAVE TO HAVE ORGANIZATIONS WHO HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF TRULY BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR PEOPLE, TRULY PROVIDE, NOT JUST GET THEM OUT OF THE RAIN HITTING THEM OR THE SNOW HITTING THEM BECAUSE IF THAT'S HOW YOU'RE GIVING THEM, YOU'RE NOT REALLY IMPROVING THEIR LOT WHEN THEY CAN GO TO A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN GET MUCH MORE AND THERE'S GOING TO BE FOOD SERVICE THERE.

AM I CORRECT? YES.

FULL COMMERCIAL KITCHEN.

FULL COMMERCIAL KITCHEN SERVICE SUITES.

$12 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY.

IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

$2,002 MILLION.

OPERATIONAL COSTS IS A LOT OF MONEY.

THAT'S PROBABLY THE LARGEST OPERATIONAL COST OF ANY NONPROFIT IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

I WOULD THINK AS FAR AS PROVIDING SERVICES, I KNOW UNITED WAY PROBABLY PROVIDES MORE THAN THAT IN GRANTS, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY PROVIDE SOMETHING.

YEAH, THOSE AND FRIENDS OF THE FAMILY DIDN'T COUNT AS THE FAMILY BOTH WOULD SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME DANE COUNTY FRIENDS OF THEIR FAMILY IN THIS OPERATION WILL BE THE TWO LARGEST IN THIS AREA. OK DENTON COUNTY.

FRIENDS OF THE FRIENDS OF THE FAMILY, WHICH IS COUNTY WIDE.

SO THAT NUMBER IS BASED UPON A COUNTY.

WHAT THIS IS SIMPLY THE CITY OF DENTON.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE.

I MEAN, I HATE TO PUT IT IN ANY SCENARIO, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY SCENARIO NUMBER THREE, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S ME SAYING I'M NOT FOR PARTNERING WITH SOMEONE.

I'M NOT AGAINST PARTNERING WITH SOMEONE, BUT I THINK IT'S PREMATURE.

I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT OF MONEY TIED UP IN A PROJECT.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF HOPE TIED UP IN A PROJECT.

AND TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT RIGHT NOW IS I JUST THINK IT'D BE FISCALLY IT WOULDN'T BE PRUDENT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE STICKING OUR NECK OUT AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN IF WHAT WE'VE SPENT $12 MILLION ON IF IT WORKS.

WE'RE GOING TO THINK SOMETHING ELSE IS GOING TO WORK.

BUT I GUARANTEE YOU, PUTTING PEOPLE WITHOUT ELECTRICITY, WITHOUT WATER, WITH NO HEATING, WITH NO COOLING, WITH NO SUPERVISION ON A PIECE OF LAND ON RUDEL THAT BACKS UP TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT NOBODY HAS TALKED TO YET.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THAT BAD IDEA.

SO I WILL SAY THAT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, NO MATTER WHAT MY COLLEAGUES, THAT'S MY OPINION.

I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.

I JUST THINK IT'S NOT RIGHT.

I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT.

SO THAT'S MY COMMENTS, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU.

I HATE TO DO THIS, BUT IT'S.

IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH THAT I'LL.

I'LL WALK THE PLANK.

MY MY ACCOUNTING IS THIS SCENARIO ONE.

THERE'S THREE. THERE'S THERE'S A MAYOR PRO TEM, THERE'S COUNCILMAN BYRD.

THAT'S COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE.

THERE'S ME SCENARIO THREE THERE SCENARIO.

AND THEN THERE'S COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

THAT'S FOR THE RFP, BUT MORE OPTIONS WITH THE FLEX ORE COMPONENT AND MENTIONED BOND MONEY.

THERE'S COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE THAT HAS AGAIN HIS OWN KIND OF LOOK AT IT, A WAIT AND SEE, GET THE DATA IN.

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SO I DON'T I DON'T COUNT FOR IN ANY BUCKET.

THAT'S WHAT I COUNT. I DON'T IF YOU CAN RECONCILE WHAT YOU HEARD AS WELL AS WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR.

YEAH. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

UNLESS SOMEONE TELLS ME I'M WRONG.

AND THEN CITY MANAGER, I HAVE THREE WAIT AND SEES.

THAT'S COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE.

COUNCILMEMBER WATSON, YOU ARE YOU A WAIT AND SEE.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE A WAIT AND SEE BUT YOU'RE THREE.

NO, I'M THREE. OKAY.

SO TWO THREES TO WAIT AND SEES.

AND WERE YOU A ONE OR TWO? NO, NO, NO. BUT HE'S COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS IS NOT A THREE BECAUSE HE DOESN'T I DON'T KNOW.

HE WAS A WAITING. HE WAS A WAIT AND SEE.

YEAH. NO DAVIS IS OH HE WAS AN RFP.

JUST DO THE RFP.

BUT MAYOR PRO TEM WAS A TWO WAS THE ONE END OC OK.

WELL WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON.

I MEAN, THIS IS A SIMPLE THING.

ARE WE DISALLOWED FROM CHANGING OUR OUR DIRECTION? NO, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S WE ALL I'D LIKE TO HELP REACH CONSENSUS AND I'M WILLING TO CHANGE MY DIRECTION TO DO SO.

OK GO RIGHT AHEAD.

I WOULD LIKE TO JOIN COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS AND HIS POSITION THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RFP AND NOT MAKE A DECISION REGARDING OPERATIONAL COSTS OR PURCHASE OF LAND UNTIL WE'VE SEEN THE PROPOSALS.

OC SO THAT TAKES ONE AWAY FROM THAT.

JUST THAT'S STILL THREE.

YEAH, THAT DOESN'T, THAT DIDN'T JOIN THAT AS WELL.

OC SO THAT THAT'S THREE I MEAN IT'S THIS IS SO JUST ONE.

I GUESS IF THAT'S DIRECTION GOING, SOMEONE ELSE JUMP ON THAT BANDWAGON OR WE'RE JUST GOING TO LOCK IT UP AND WE'LL COME BACK TO IT IN A MONTH OR SO.

MAYOR I COUNT FOR NOW.

MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCILMEMBER MAGUIRE ARE GOING ON BOARD WITH YOU AND COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

THAT MAKES FOUR. FOUR. NO, I DON'T WANT IT TO GO ANYWHERE.

I DON'T WANT TO BUY LAND.

I DON'T I DON'T I'M OUT TO BE CLEAR.

YEAH. SO YEAH, THERE'S ONLY THREE AND THIS IS OC COUNCILMAN BYRD.

HERE WE GO. I WANT TO JUMP ON BOTH WITH THESE GUYS AND WORK OUT THE MATH.

WE'LL GO WITH OUR R&D AND LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES FROM THERE.

OKAY. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT MEANS WE JUST ISSUE AN RFP WITH NO COMMITMENT OF CITY RESOURCES, WHICH IS HOW IT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED.

BUT THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU AND NOT DO THE TRADITIONAL PROCUREMENT PROCESS, RIGHT? YEAH. HOW LONG DOES THAT HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE? BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO MATTER. WE'RE 120 DAYS IN THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, TYPICALLY 280.

I'M STATING THAT'S GOOD THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

I MEAN, BUT WE'LL TAKE YOU KNOW, THAT'S ENOUGH TIME TO GET IT FIGURED OUT.

YEAH. WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW WE NEED TO BRING THESE BACK, BUT WE THOUGHT WITH THE SENSE OF CONSENSUS BECAUSE WE'LL BE RULING OUT LAND AND SCORING ON THAT, THE SCORING WILL CHANGE A LITTLE BIT. SO WE'LL BE BRING BACK THOSE PROPOSALS TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

AND I THINK WE COULD DO THAT IN 60 TO 90 DAYS.

OKAY, GREAT. ARE WE RULING OUT OPERATIONAL EXPENSES AS WELL? IT WAS IT WAS NO COMMITMENT.

SO I THINK WE'LL BE LOOKING AT WHAT THEY'LL BE, WHAT THEIR PROGRAMS ARE, WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO BRING FORWARD.

BUT NOT THE CITY, NOT THE CORRECT NO COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY, JUST WHAT CAN BE PROVIDED.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

AND I THINK MAYBE TO BE MINDFUL OF STAFF, TIME, ENERGY, DIRECTION, ETC., AND I'LL DEFER TO YOU, MY CITY MANAGER, MAYBE IT'S AN ICER THAT SAYS, HERE'S THE KIND OF TEMPLATE, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE GOING.

OUR HEARTS, MINDS, CLEAR OR FEEDBACK.

AND SO IF YOU GET TOO MUCH FEEDBACK, THEN MAYBE IT'S ANOTHER WORK SESSION.

IF YOU DON'T GET FEEDBACK, THEN IT'S GOOD TO GO.

I DEFER HOWEVER YOU THINK IT'S BEST.

OKAY, I'LL WORK WITH CHRISTINA AND DANNY.

WE'LL GET IT FIGURED OUT AND THEN WE'LL LET YOU ALL KNOW THROUGH AN ISR SORT OF WHERE WE'RE PROCEEDING.

YEAH. AND BECAUSE I JUST DON'T WANT TO A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY SPENT ON SOMETHING AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, MISSED THE MARK, SO.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO DINNER IS HERE, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY THREE ITEMS FOR THESE TWO MINUTE PITCHES.

SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 50 MINUTES.

SO WE'LL JUST GET THROUGH THESE AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE REST OF THE TIME TO.

EAT. OK.

[F. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on pending City Council requests for: (1) A Work Session to consider options for proof-of-concept electric vehicle transit downtown or electric bus circulator route between Brock Transit Center and Presbyterian Hospital. (2) An Informal Staff Report on any current task force that is addressing the crisis of affordable childcare and what role the City of Denton is involved in said groups. (3) A Work Session to discuss the prevention of inquiries of an applicant’s criminal history prior to making conditional offers of employment unless a law requires an earlier inquiry. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

YES. THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MONICA BENAVIDES, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

TODAY I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING THE CITY COUNCIL PENDING REQUEST FOR INFORMATION, ALSO KNOWN AS A TWO MINUTE PITCHES AS A REMINDER.

UP TO SEVEN REQUESTS WILL BE REVIEWED PER MEETING.

ONE PER COUNCIL MEMBER STAFF WILL INTRODUCE EACH REQUEST.

THE ELECTED OFFICIAL HAS UP TO 2 MINUTES TO DESCRIBE AND JUSTIFY THEIR REQUEST, AND EVERYONE ELSE HAS UP TO ONE MINUTE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND INDICATE THEIR SUPPORT.

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AS A REMINDER, THE AGENDA COMMITTEE WILL ASSIST IN SCHEDULING ITEMS RECEIVING CONSENSUS BASED UPON PRIORITY ILLNESS OF THE ITEM.

THE FIRST ITEM. THE FIRST ITEM IS BROUGHT TO US BY COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

IT IS A WORK SESSION TO CONSIDER OPTIONS FOR PROOF OF CONCEPT ELECTRIC VEHICLE TRANSIT DOWNTOWN OR ELECTRIC BUS CIRCULATOR ROUTE BETWEEN BROCK TRANSIT CENTER AND PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL. THANK YOU.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP BEFORE I MENTIONED IT AT OUR RETREAT.

I WANT TO PUT A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT INTO IT, A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION OUT THERE AND WHY I TELL YOU WHY I'M BRINGING IT FORWARD AGAIN TO CONSIDER.

I THINK THAT A LOT OF OUR CONSTERNATION WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TRANSIT IN THIS CITY HAS BEEN AROUND THE IDEA OF RIGHTSIZING THE SYSTEM, THAT WE DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE BUS NETWORK, WE DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE TRANSIT NETWORK, THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A NETWORK TO TO PROPERLY CALL YOURSELF A TRANSIT SYSTEM AND TO GATHER ACCURATE DATA.

THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE TROUBLE WITH IS RIGHT SIZING THE ROLLING STOCK, AND THAT IS SOMETIMES WE HAVE THESE BIG BUSSES GOING THROUGH TOWN WITH LITERALLY NO ONE ON THEM FOR HOURS AND HOURS AT A TIME.

THE BUSSES DON'T ALWAYS GO WHERE PEOPLE NEED THEM TO GO, AND WE OFTEN HAVE TOO MUCH BUS COMMITTED TO ANY PARTICULAR ROUTE.

AND OF COURSE THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO HAVE BACKUP BUSSES THAT ARE THE SAME SIZE AVAILABLE.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO MOVE THE ENTIRE GREAT BIG TITANIC, THAT IS THE CTA, TO EXPLORE SOME BETTER OPTIONS, TO GET A LITTLE TUGBOAT OUT THERE, A LITTLE ELECTRIC ONE, PUT IT ON A ROUTE THAT I BELIEVE WOULD HAVE HEAVY USE.

THAT WOULD BE I MENTIONED PRESBY HOSPITAL AT ONE IN THE TOWN AND BROCK TRANSIT AT THE OTHER.

BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT ALL POINTS ALONG THAT ROUTE, MAYBE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HICKORY AND OAK ALL THE WAY ALONG THAT LOOP.

YOU HAVE DENSITY OF JOBS, YOU HAVE DENSITY OF MEDICAL PROVIDERS AND DESTINATIONS AND PLACES TO SHOP.

YOU HAVE DENSITY OF PLACES WHERE PEOPLE LIVE IN.

DENSITY IS WHAT MAKES TRANSIT GO.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS EXPLORE A SMALLER VEHICLE.

I SAY BUS IN THE PROPOSAL.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT FITS THAT ROUTE BEST.

WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT KIND OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IMPACT THAT COULD HAVE IN OUR CITY AND SOME POSSIBLE FUNDING SOURCES FOR THAT.

WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION AND A WORK SESSION ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY AND WHAT PROVING THAT YOU CAN DO TRANSIT WITH A RIGHT SIZED ELECTRIC VEHICLE IN A CITY LIKE DENTON COULD DO EITHER IN BUILDING OUT A SYSTEM OURSELVES OR WORKING WITH DC TO TO DO SOMETHING BETTER IN THE FUTURE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

COMMENTS COMES FROM MAGUIRE.

THANK YOU. SO THE PROPOSAL HERE IS TO OPERATE ESSENTIALLY OUR OWN SHUTTLE ALONG ROUTE SEVEN AND THE CTA BOARD VOTED ON THURSDAY TO INCREASE FREQUENCY AND EXTEND HOURS ON ROUTE SEVEN BECAUSE IT IS OUR OUR HIGHEST RIDERSHIP ROUTE.

SO I'M REALLY NOT SEEING WHAT WHAT THE NEED IS HERE.

DCT IS OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE UP IN THE AIR.

BUT THE DC BOARD HAS DEMONSTRATED WILLINGNESS TO RETAIN ROUTE SEVEN.

I DON'T BELIEVE, EVEN THOUGH I THINK COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS'S CONCERNS ARE VERY LEGITIMATE ABOUT PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE VEHICLES AND SUSTAINABILITY AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE USING PRIMARILY DIESEL VEHICLES VERSUS ELECTRIC VEHICLES, THOSE ARE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS.

BUT I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE OPERATING IN THIS SPACE.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CITY OF DENTON IS EQUIPPED TO OPERATE ITS OWN TRANSIT AGENCY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE A TRANSIT AGENCY.

SO I OPPOSE MOVING FORWARD WITH US.

OC ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH, I HAVE SORT OF THE SAME PROBLEM.

I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE IT RECAPITULATES SEVEN AND I LOVE THESE.

THE IDEA THAT WE CAN HAVE THE RIGHT SIZE VEHICLE, WE CAN MAKE IT A MODERN VEHICLE.

I THINK THESE ARE ALL REALLY GREAT SUGGESTIONS.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO TALK TO OUR REPRESENTATIVE TO DC TO AND GET THEM TO INVEST IN MORE ELECTRIC BUSSES FOR ROUTE SEVEN.

AND BUT SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE KIND OF GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES ON THIS ONE WHEN THE RIGHT MOVE IS TO ASK CTA TO DO IT AND NOT NECESSARILY US AT THIS TIME. SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILOR WATTS YEAH.

JUST APPRECIATE THE CREATIVITY FROM COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

I AGREE WITH TWO COUNCILORS WHO SPOKE ON THIS.

LOOK, WE PAY 15 TO $16 MILLION TO TO A YEAR.

WE DON'T NEED TO BE SPENDING ADDITIONAL MONEY.

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I THINK WE COULD, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE INVESTING ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR FREE IN FREQUENCY, IN HEADWAYS, TO TO DECREASE HEADWAYS.

I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE CAN START HAVING BECAUSE WE HAVE THE LEVERAGE, WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO THEM.

AND THAT IS NOT A HUGE ASK.

SO I THINK WE CAN START THAT CONVERSATION, QUITE FRANKLY.

SO I'M OPPOSED TO THE CITY DOING IT, BUT I'M CERTAINLY FOR THE CITY THROUGH ITS REPRESENTATIVE TO REALLY LOBBY THE CTA TO HELP US WITH THIS.

SO. YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I AM.

OKAY, LET'S TURN. COUNCILMAN BURT, I AM GOING TO GO WITH MY COUNTERPARTS HERE.

I THINK THAT WE COULD PUT THE ONUS ON THE CTA TO UPDATE ITS PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ANYWAY.

THAT'S WHERE OUR FUNDING SHOULD BE.

THEIR FUNDING, OR WHOEVER THESE PEOPLE ARE FUNDING SHOULD BE USED TO CAPITALIZE ON WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN CAPITALIZING ON ANYWAY. A GOOD TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.

BUT SINCE WE'VE INTRODUCED THIS COMPANY TO COME IN AND BASICALLY.

YOU KNOW, JUST.

JUST JUST TAKE THIS THING APART FOR US, THIS TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM OF OURS, WHERE WE HAVEN'T GIVEN OUR BUS SYSTEM AN OPPORTUNITY.

WHEN IT WHEN IT'S WHEN THERE'S SO MUCH PROGRESS GOING FORWARD WITH FUNDING.

SO, YEAH, I'LL GO WITH MAGUIRE AND BECK AND, AND, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO GO THAT ROUTE, IT TAKES US TO SECOND ITEM.

IT'S LIKE AN ITEM AS AN INFORMAL STAFF REPORT ON ANY CURRENT TASK FORCE THAT IS ADDRESSING THE CRISIS OF AFFORDABLE CHILD CARE AND WHAT ROLE THE CITY OF DENTON IS INVOLVED IN SAID GROUPS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER WHAT'S SURE I'LL MAKE THIS BRIEF.

THIS WAS AN ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AND BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION DURING THE CAMPAIGN THAT DURING THE PANDEMIC, OBVIOUSLY CHILD CARE FACILITIES SHUT DOWN.

AND WHEN THE PANDEMIC WAS QUOTE UNQUOTE OVER THAT, ONLY ABOUT 50% REOPENED.

AND SO THERE'S A HUGE PROBLEM.

AND I KNOW COUNCILMEMBER BIRD HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS.

AND AND SO AS I PUT THIS FORWARD, STAFF INFORMED ME THAT APPARENTLY THERE'S SOME TASK FORCE OCCURRING AT DENTON COUNTY LOOKING AT THIS.

SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO GET INFORMAL STAFF REPORT.

I NEED TO WORK SESSION, JUST SOMETHING THAT GIVES US AN IDEA OF WHAT'S BEING DONE, WHAT THE CITY IS DOING, AND IF WE CAN BE DOING MORE THAN TO DO THAT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S BASICALLY A OK AND THAT THAT ISR WILL TAKE MORE THAN 2 HOURS.

IF THE COUNTY IS DOING IT, WE'LL HAVE TO GET WITH THE COUNTY.

BASICALLY, WE'LL GO AND SIT DOWN WITH THE COUNTY AND FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND SEE WHAT OUR ROLE IS AND EVERYTHING.

OKAY. GOT IT.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS. I SUPPORT THE ISR AND I PUT A HIGH PRIORITY ON IT.

THIS IS SOMETHING THE CITY HAS BEEN THINKING ABOUT.

IT'S SOMETHING THE COUNTY IS OBVIOUSLY THINKING ABOUT.

AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP.

ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM I'M GOING TO CONCUR, I THINK ALL THE WAY FROM LOCAL CITY, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE, SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE FRAMEWORK LOOKS LIKE.

SO I DEFINITELY SUPPORT AN ICE HOUR.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER.

MCGEE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

MAGUIRE. ADD MY VOICE TO THE CHORUS OF MY PREVIOUS TWO COLLEAGUES WHO SPOKE.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE.

I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER HAS BEEN LOOKING INTO SOME ISSUES AROUND THIS, BUT YEAH, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE JUST A STATE CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS UPDATE SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PATH FORWARD LOOKS LIKE. GOT IT.

OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO OUR LAST ITEM.

THE LAST ITEM IS A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS THE PREVENTION OF INQUIRIES OF AN APPLICANT'S CRIMINAL HISTORY PRIOR TO MAKING CONDITIONAL OFFERS OF EMPLOYMENT UNLESS A LAW REQUIRES AN EARLIER INQUIRY FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL BE BRIEF AS WELL.

I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY READ IT.

WHEN MR. HUSBAND CAME BEFORE US A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, IT BROKE MY HEART AND EVERYTHING I DO ON THIS BODY.

I EVALUATE HOW IT IS GOING TO HELP AND HURT WORKING PEOPLE.

I THINK THIS IS AN IDEA THAT WILL ABSOLUTELY HELP WORKING PEOPLE.

IT'S AIMED AT BRIDGING THE GAP BETWEEN POTENTIAL EMPLOYEES AND POTENTIAL EMPLOYERS.

THE IDEA BEING HERE THAT EMPLOYERS WOULD EVALUATE POTENTIAL APPLICANTS ON THEIR MERIT FIRST AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ELIMINATING AS MUCH EMPLOYEE DISCRIMINATION ON THE FRONT SIDE AS POSSIBLE.

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THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AS I SAID, HAS ALREADY DONE THIS.

MANY OF THE LARGEST CITIES IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE NOW.

THIS BRINGS DENTON IN LINE WITH WHAT IS ALREADY HAPPENING.

ESSENTIALLY, THIS REMOVES OBSTACLES FOR CURRENT LAW ABIDING CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO WORK.

AND AS YOU ALL ARE DECIDING ABOUT THIS, I ASK YOU TO APPROPRIATE A HIGH PRIORITY TO THIS, BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, WE ARE ENTERING INTO UNSTEADY ECONOMIC WATERS AS A COUNTRY.

AND IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ENTERING THE HIGHER THE HOLIDAY SEASON AND HIRING IS GOING TO SLOW DOWN.

SO I WANT AS MANY FOLKS WHO WANT TO WORK TO BE ABLE TO APPLY FREE OF DISCRIMINATION TO EMPLOYERS AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE MAKE SURE AS MANY PEOPLE ARE WORKING AS POSSIBLE AT A TIME WHEN BUSINESS COMMUNITY HAS SAID THAT THEY STRUGGLE TO FIND EMPLOYEES.

THIS WILL OPEN UP AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT POOL OF POTENTIAL APPLICANTS FOR THOSE JOBS BECAUSE EVERYBODY IN THE CITY WHO WANTS TO WORK DESERVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL. I'LL BE QUIET.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COMMENTS.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH, I THINK THIS THIS IS A IT FALLS NATURALLY FROM FEDERAL AND EEOC POLICIES, BEST PRACTICE GUIDELINES.

SO I SUPPORT MOVING THE PROCESS FORWARD TO A WORKSTATION AND DEVELOPING THE STAFF COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.

AND I THINK IT WOULD BE ACTUALLY WORTHWHILE TO INCLUDE IN THAT AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, SORT OF SOME OF THE ANCILLARY DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS FROM FROM A POLICY LIKE THAT.

LIKE WE COULD AT LEAST EXPLORE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THINGS LIKE NOT TESTING PUBLIC SAFETY OR NON PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS IN OUR OWN CITY GOVERNMENT FOR DRUG TESTING AND THAT SORT OF THING.

OTHER THINGS RELATE TO THIS ISSUE, BUT I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THIS AS SPOKEN.

ANYONE ELSE. COUNCILMEMBER I SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH A WORK SESSION ON THIS TOPIC.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE SOLICIT INPUT FROM OUR MAJOR EMPLOYERS, ESPECIALLY OUR BIG ONES UNT.

OBVIOUSLY WE WE CAN GET CITY INPUT PRETTY, PRETTY EASILY AS WELL AS OUR SMALLER PRIVATE EMPLOYERS AS WELL.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN DAVIS THEN COUNCILMAN WHAT? THANK YOU. I KNOW SOMETIMES YOU ALL THINK ABOUT ME AS THE HARD NOSED CRIMINAL PROSECUTOR, BUT YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED TO FIND THAT MORE IN THE SECOND CHANCES BUSINESS.

THEN YOU'RE REALLY AWARE OF WHAT WE DO DAY TO DAY DOWN AT THE COURTHOUSE AND DEALING WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOMETIMES MINOR CRIMINAL HISTORY AND SOMETIMES VERY SIGNIFICANT EMPLOYMENT LAW IS ABOUT 90% FEDERAL, ABOUT 10% STATE.

AND THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM LEFT FOR A CITY.

I DON'T SEE A SPACE FOR US IN EMPLOYMENT, AND I DON'T SEE ROOM FOR THE CITY TO GO TO OUR MAJOR EMPLOYERS OR ANY BUSINESS, LARGE OR SMALL, AND SAY YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO VET YOUR EMPLOYEES IN THE WAY THAT YOU SEE FIT, WHETHER THAT'S A PEDIATRICIAN'S OFFICE OR AN AUTO MECHANIC OR ANYBODY IN BETWEEN, I THINK THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO VET THE FOLKS WHO CAN COME IN CONTACT WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS AND WITH THEIR MONEY AND WITH THEIR RESOURCES IN THE WAY THEY SEE FIT.

CANCEL WORKS. YEAH, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT HAVING A WORK SESSION, BUT I DON'T SUPPORT THE QUOTE UNQUOTE BAN THE BOX WITHOUT MORE INFORMATION.

I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER CREATIVE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.

I THINK TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITHOUT THE INPUT OF OUR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO EOC IS BEST PRACTICE.

IT IS NOT REGULATION.

SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE ARE GOING TO TELL BUSINESSES HOW TO VET THEIR EMPLOYEES.

NOW, THERE MAY BE SOME CREATIVE WAYS, BUT I DON'T THINK JUST TAKING A BOX OFF AN APPLICATION IS GOING TO KEEP EMPLOYEES, EMPLOYERS FROM RUNNING CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS ON THE PEOPLE THAT THEY THAT THEY WANT TO LOOK AT HIRING.

PLUS, WHY DO YOU WANT TO SEND A SIGNAL TO SOMEBODY THAT YOU'VE OFFERED A JOB TO AND THEN YOU SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO RUN A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK ON YOU.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WE GOT TO WITHDRAW IT.

I'M NOT SURE WHICH IS BETTER, BUT I'M OPEN TO THE CONVERSATION TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND SOME CREATIVE SOLUTIONS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY MANDATING TO PRIVATE INDUSTRY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. ANYONE ELSE? THAT THAT'S DIRECTION, COUNCILMAN BURT.

YEAH. JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WOULD APPROVE A WORK SESSION ON THIS AS WELL.

SO, MAYOR, CAN I GET A PRIORITY ON THIS? WE ARE. THIS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO SURVEY BUSINESSES AND LOOK AT BEST PRACTICES OF OTHER CITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE SORT OF A PRIORITY BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE US GETTING THIS COMPLETE IN THE NEXT 2 TO 3 MONTHS.

WELL, AND I WANT TO HAVE GIVE ME A CHANCE TO TO HAVE A CLEAR RECORD.

I DON'T SUPPORT THIS FOR THIS REASON.

WE JUST TALKED ABOUT COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS'S REQUEST AND SAYING THAT IT WAS COVERED BY ANOTHER AGENCY.

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WE HAD ONE INDIVIDUAL COME TO THIS COUNCIL, A CITY OF 150,000.

LET'S ASSUME THERE'S MORE THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED THOSE.

I'LL CONCEDE THAT.

BUT IT'S ONE PERSON TRIGGERS THIS AMOUNT OF WORK THAT STAFF'S GOING TO DO.

I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT.

I HAD NO I HAVE NO BUSINESS OWNERS, NO OTHER NO ONE ELSE THAT I'VE TALKED TO.

AND SO AND IT CAN'T BE STOOD UP IN TIME FOR WHAT WAS DESCRIBED AS THE CHRISTMAS SEASON, ETC., ETC..

THAT'S NOT EVEN FEASIBLE TO STAND IT UP IN THAT FAT THAT FAST.

SO NO INPUT.

EEOC IS ALREADY DOING IT AND IT COULDN'T BE STOOD UP THAT THAT QUICKLY.

SO I DO NOT SUPPORT IT.

AND SO THOSE THAT DO.

IF YOU COULD WHO WANTS TO GIVE STAFF SOME SOME DIRECTION.

MAYOR PRO TEM. I THINK.

I THINK WE CAN.

THERE'S ALREADY BEEN FOLKS THAT I'VE CHATTED WITH ABOUT THIS ISSUE IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AND I THINK THEY'RE INTERESTED IN COMMUNITY SOLUTIONS.

BUT THE QUESTION WAS PRIORITY, AND I WOULD PUT A HIGH PRIORITY ON IT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THIS DONE WELL.

AND SO WITH THAT, BECAUSE WELL, LET'S JUST WE'LL GET THROUGH THE PRIORITY THINGS.

COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE. THANK YOU.

YEAH. THIS IS A BIG PROJECT THAT INVOLVES A LOT OF INPUT FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE A BUDGET CONVERSATION ABOUT NEXT YEAR AS WELL. SO I WOULD PLACE IT ON A LOW PRIORITY.

JUST IN TERMS OF TIMELINE, I IMAGINE IT'LL TAKE AT LEAST UNTIL JANUARY BEFORE WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.

ANYONE ELSE. OK.

COUNCIL MEMBER. I WOULD THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A LOW PRIORITY, BUT I JUST APPRECIATED BEING IN THE QUEUE FOR SOMETHING FOR US TO LOOK FORWARD TO.

AND MAYOR, THAT THAT THAT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

I'M LOOKING AT OUR TENTATIVE WORK SESSION AND MEETING TOPICS WOULDN'T EVEN BE ABLE TO GET IT IN UNTIL POSSIBLY LATE OCTOBER 1ST OF NOVEMBER IF WE WERE COMPLETE WITH OUR WORK.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.

MAY I HAVE A POINT OF INQUIRY WHILE WE'RE STILL AN ITEM F? YES. MY INQUIRY IS THIS.

I BELIEVE I HEARD COUNCIL CONSENSUS FOR ASKING CTA TO RUN A DIFFERENT KIND OF VEHICLE, SMALLER AND OR ELECTRIC ON ROUTE SEVEN IN OUR CONVERSATION EARLIER, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IF MY ACCOUNT WAS CORRECT IS THAT.

LET ME LOOK BACK HERE IF IT'S HELPFUL.

I'M, AS WE SPEAK, LOOKING AT BUDGET ALLOCATIONS FOR FLEET REPLACEMENT.

SO IT'S DULY NOTED.

I THINK WHAT HE'S ASKING IS OF THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED IT, I SORT OF STARTED THAT LINE OF THOUGHT AND ARE THERE FOR THAT SUPPORT INSTRUCTING YOU, OUR REPRESENTATIVE, TO GO TO ZITA AND ADVOCATE FOR THIS EFFORT.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? IF WE HAVE THAT, I ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT I DID HEAR OK.

OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT ON THE RECORD.

SO YOU DID HEAR FOR. I BELIEVE THAT I DID.

THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. ALL RIGHT.

YEAH, I DIDN'T I DIDN'T TRACK IT.

I DIDN'T TRACK THAT EITHER.

I JUST TRACK THE OVERALL REQUEST.

YES. OKAY.

SO THERE WE GO.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH. THANK YOU.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION. I APPRECIATE THE TIME.

GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THEN.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORK SESSION AT 518.

WILL RECONVENE INTO THE CHAMBERS AT 634.

ARE WE GOT ONE ITEM THAT WAS PULLED AND THE TWO INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. SO THANK YOU. AND GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

[AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED:]

WE'RE BACK IN OUR REGULAR SESSION.

AND SO CALL A MEETING TO ORDER.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.

IT TAKES US TO OUR FIRST ITEM.

LET'S SEE, WHICH IS PLEDGES TO THE UNITED STATES AND TEXAS FLAG.

PLEASE STAND WITH ME IF YOU'RE ABLE.

TONIGHT, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE ONE THING I DO NOT WANT.

AND THEN I'LL COME DOWN. WE HAVE ONE PROCLAMATION THIS EVENING.

[A. Proclamation: Summer Youth Jobs Program]

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AND THANK YOU. GREAT.

YOU CAN COME ON OVER. OKAY.

VERY GOOD. SO IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELVES AND THEN SAY, YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHERE YOU GO TO SCHOOL AND THEN ALSO WHERE YOU WHERE YOU SERVED, WHAT, WHAT DEPARTMENT AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT BIO.

SO HERE YOU GO. MY NAME IS ANISTON AND I GO TO LAKE DALLAS HIGH SCHOOL AND I WORKED IN THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, AND I JUST PLANNED EVENTS LIKE 4TH OF JULY AND YAPPY HOUR.

MY NAME IS CASSIDY, AND I ALSO GO TO LAKE DALLAS HIGH SCHOOL AND I WORKED AT THE LIBRARY, THE SOUTH BRANCH, AND I JUST KIND OF HELPED AROUND WITH DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES AND WHATEVER THEY NEED HELP WITH.

MY NAME IS KENNETH CLARK.

I GO TO DETROIT HIGH SCHOOL.

I WORKED IN HUMAN RESOURCES AND I DID A LIKE ELECTRONIC FILING AND LIKE BEHIND THE SCENES WORK.

SO YEAH.

MY NAME IS ARIA.

I GO TO GUYER HIGH SCHOOL.

I WORKED AT THE NORTH BRANCH AND I HELPED AROUND WITH ALL THE PROGRAMS. MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE ME A HAND.

YES. GREAT.

BUT THOSE ARE THOSE ARE ALL VERY BUSY AREAS.

THAT'S VERY GOOD. GREAT PICKS.

I MEAN, BOTH THE LIBRARIES STAY REALLY BUSY AND AND OBVIOUSLY THE PARKS.

SO THAT'S GOOD AND YAPPY HOUR.

AND THEN COMING UP THIS IT'S COMING UP SOON, RIGHT? THERE WE GO, AUGUST 5TH.

SO DON'T DON'T FORGET THAT.

SO THAT'S GOOD. WELL DONE.

OKAY. SO I HAVE A I HAVE A PROCLAMATION AND IT READS TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENT SHALL COME GREETINGS.

WHEREAS THE SUMMER YOUTH JOBS PROGRAM STRIVES TO PROVIDE MEANINGFUL JOB EXPERIENCE FOR LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AND RECENT HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES OF DENTON. AND. WHEREAS, A PROGRAM'S VALUES ARE INCORPORATED TO SHOW THAT YOUTH ARE VALUED IN WORKPLACE BY PROVIDING A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, YOU SHOULD BE EMPOWERED.

AND BY PROVIDING MENTORSHIP TO YOUNG PEOPLE, WE ARE PROVIDING THE NECESSARY IMPETUS TO ENCOURAGE POSITIVE AND PERSONAL CAREER ADVANCEMENT AND AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL BY PROVIDING TOOLS YOUNG PEOPLE NEED TO SUCCEED REGARDLESS OF THEIR RACE, RELIGION, SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS AND BACKGROUNDS.

AND. WHEREAS, THE CITY OF DENTON RECOGNIZES THAT THESE STUDENTS HAVE COMPLETED THE EIGHT WEEK SUMMER YOUTH JOBS PROGRAM FROM SUMMER FROM FOR THE SUMMER OF 2020 TO NOW.

THEREFORE, I. GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM JULY 29, 2022, AS THE SUMMER YOUTH JOBS PROGRAM DAY IN THE CITY OF DENTON AND ASKED ALL RESIDENTS TO HONOR THE 2022 PARTICIPANTS OF THE SUMMER YOUTH JOBS PROGRAM FOR ALL THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND AN ADMIRABLE REPRESENTATION OF DENTON.

IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A HAND.

YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO WE'LL. YOU KNOW, JESSE WILL TAKE IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

ALL RIGHT. AND THEN I'LL GIVE YOU THESE JUST IN CASE.

AND YOUNG LADY. AND HERE. OKAY.

BUT I SAY GO BRONCOS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, PARENTS.

APPRECIATE YOU ALL DID A GOOD JOB.

OKAY. SO THAT TAKES US TO OUR CONSENT.

NO, NO, I DID THAT WRONG.

SO. WE HAVE PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

[3. PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC]

IN PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETINGS, I HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT THE NEED TO ACHIEVE GREATER UNITY AND DENTON.

WHEN I CAME HERE IN 1980 TO ENROLL IN UNDP AS A 26 YEAR OLD GRADUATE STUDENT, MAYOR HUDSPETH WAS AN EIGHT YEAR OLD BOY, AND FROM APPEARANCES I WOULD SAY THAT SOME OF YOU HAD NOT YET BEEN BORN.

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DENTON WAS A QUIET AND ORDERLY CITY THEN, WHERE LAW AND ORDER WERE ENFORCED IN A WAY WHICH MADE MOST PEOPLE FEEL VERY SAFE HERE.

42 YEARS LATER, DENTON HAS BECOME A DISORDERLY CITY, MARKED BY LOUD NOISES AND VULGAR PROTESTS.

AND WHEN I RECENTLY DECIDED TO BECOME ACTIVE ONCE AGAIN IN CITY AFFAIRS, IT WAS PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF RAMPANT SPEEDING ON OUR STREETS, ESPECIALLY BY DENTON DRIVERS WHO HAVE HAD THEIR CARS MODIFIED TO BE EXCESSIVELY LOUD IN ORDER TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES, IN SOME CASES TO ATTRACT OTHER MUSCLE CAR DRIVERS TO DRAG RACE WITH THEM.

MY GOAL WAS TO RESTORE LAW AND ORDER TO DENTON WITH THE HELP OF THE CITY COUNCIL, AS I HAD DONE IN 2004.

LITTLE DID I DREAM THAT BY JUNE OR ON JUNE 28TH, I WOULD BE CONFRONTING A SLENDER MAJORITY OF CONFUSED COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WERE THEMSELVES WITH VERY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF THE LAW ADVOCATING FOR CRIME IN THE MATTER OF TEXAS ABORTION LAWS.

AND PLEASE NOTE THAT BOTH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH LAW DEGREES, CHRIS WATTS AND JESSIE DAVIS VOTED AGAINST THE RESOLUTION ALONG WITH MAYOR HUDSPETH.

I HAVE ALREADY NOTED DEFICIENCIES IN THE ABORTION LAW, WHICH ARE TEXAS LEGISLATURE PASSED.

IT IS VERY EASY TO SEE THAT WHEN AN 11 YEAR OLD GIRL GETS RAPED IN OHIO, SHE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BE TAKEN TO INDIANA TO HAVE AN ABORTION.

BUT PLEASE CONSIDER ANOTHER SCENARIO.

PICTURE 218 YEAR OLD LOVERS, MALE AND FEMALE, WHO THINK THEY ARE GOING TO SPEND THEIR LIVES TOGETHER.

SO THE GUY GETS THE GIRL PREGNANT TO HELP CEMENT THE RELATIONSHIP AND SHE CARRIES THE CHILD A HEALTHY BABY BOY, AS IT TURNS OUT, IN HER WOMB FOR EIGHT MONTHS UNDER THE CARE OF AN OBSTETRICIAN FOR WHOM THE YOUNG MAN IS FOOTING THE MEDICAL BILLS.

EXCITED THAT HE IS SOON GOING TO HAVE A SON BORN TO HIM.

HOWEVER, SUDDENLY THE COUPLE HAS A HUGE ARGUMENT AND THEY BREAK UP.

UNWILLING NOW TO HAVE THE YOUNG MAN'S SON, EVEN THOUGH IT IS HER SON TOO, THE WOMAN HAS AN ABORTION LARGELY TO SPITE THE GUY IN HER ANGER.

SO HE TALKS WITH A DENTON POLICE OFFICER ASKING HER TO ARREST THE DOCTOR WHO PERFORMED THE ABORTION.

BUT INSTEAD OF JUSTICE BEING INITIATED SO THAT THE DOCTOR'S CASE CAN BE PRESENTED TO A GRAND JURY, THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL INTERFERES CONTRARY TO MULTIPLE STATE LAWS FORBIDDING THE PEACE OFFICER TO CARRY OUT THE ARREST OR MAINTAIN ANY RECORD OF THE CRIME.

THAT WOULD MAKE SOME OF YOU CRIMINALS FOR OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE.

SO I ASK YOU NOW TO ENGAGE WITH ME RIGHT NOW ABOUT GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION WHICH HOPEFULLY CAN BE PASSED UNANIMOUSLY AND WHICH WILL BE INSTRUCTIVE TO OUR STATE LEGISLATURE WITHOUT ATTEMPTING TO VIOLATE THE LAW.

THIS IS THE KIND OF COOPERATION WHICH I CALL THE DENTON WAY.

BUT FIRST, PLEASE JOIN ME IN A BRIEF PRAYER IF YOU ARE SO INCLINED.

ALMIGHTY GOD, I PRAY THAT YOU WILL GUIDE AND BLESS THIS COUNCIL IN THEIR WORK.

AMEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU'RE WELCOME. AND I MISSED A STEP, SO I'M GOING TO ASK THE STAFF TO PLAY THE REVIEW, THE PROCESS FOR SPEAKING TO COUNCIL.

WE'RE ALL GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

BUT IF WE CAN PLAY THAT AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO ITEM B.

THANK YOU AGAIN. THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, INCLUDING A CODE OF CONDUCT THAT APPLIES TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THESE RULES WERE ENACTED TO PROMOTE AN ORDERLY PROCESS AND TO PRESERVE DECORUM.

SPEAKERS WILL HAVE 4 MINUTES TO GIVE A SCHEDULED REPORT AND 4 MINUTES TO GIVE AN OPEN MIC REPORT.

A BELL WILL RING WHEN TIME HAS EXPIRED.

IF THE REMARKS ARE NOT CONCLUDED BY THAT TIME, THE SPEAKER WILL BE ASKED TO STOP SPEAKING.

IF THE SPEAKER DOES NOT CEASE AND A SECOND REQUEST IS MADE, THE MAYOR MAY REQUEST TO HAVE THE SPEAKER REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER.

SPEAKERS SHOULD NOT APPROACH THE DAIS.

IF A SPEAKER HAS MATERIALS FOR THE COUNCIL, PLEASE NOTIFY THE CITY SECRETARY IN ADVANCE FOR SCHEDULED REPORTS.

THE COUNCIL MAY INITIATE DISCUSSION OR ASK QUESTIONS FOR NON SCHEDULED OPEN MIC REPORTS.

THE COUNCIL MAY LISTEN, HOWEVER, BECAUSE NO NOTICE OF THE SUBJECT OF THE OPEN MIC REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC IN ADVANCE.

THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR DECISION BY THE COUNCIL ON NON SCHEDULED ITEMS. AS A RESULT, THE COUNCIL MAY ONLY PROCEED AS FOLLOWS ON NON SCHEDULED ITEMS PROPOSED TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

MAKE A STATEMENT OF FACTUAL POLICY OR A RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY.

SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO DIRECT ALL REMARKS AND QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER.

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ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE MAY BE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER.

THANK YOU. IN ADVANCE.

COPIES OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY SECRETARY.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

AND THAT. SO NEXT IS RICHARD.

AND IT'S GOSIA.

I DON'T WANT TO MISPRONOUNCE IT.

I DON'T WANT TO ENUNCIATE IT WRONG.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE.

RICHARD GUZZI YES, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR ALLOWING ME.

EXCUSE ME. COME AND SPEAK.

IT'S NOT COMPLAINTS OR NOT CRITICISM.

IT'S NAME AND ADDRESS.

I'M SORRY. OH, I'M SORRY.

RICHARD GUCCI, 305 WEST HIGHLAND STREET, DENTON, TEXAS.

PERFECT. THANK YOU. LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT COMPLAINTS OR CRITICISM, IT'S OBSERVATION.

I'VE BEEN LIVING IN DENTON NOW FOR TEN YEARS AND I'VE SEEN THE CITY GO DOWNHILL IN TEN YEARS.

AND IT'S REALLY SAD TO WATCH IT BECAUSE IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE CITY.

AS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

I'M I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN DETROIT.

I THINK THAT'S ALL YOU GOT TO HEAR IS BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHERE DETROIT IS RIGHT NOW, TWO DIFFERENT CITIES, POPULATION AND DEMOGRAPHICS, ETC..

BUT IT CAN HAPPEN HERE.

I WAS JUST TELLING JESSIE A LITTLE WHILE AGO YOU GOT HOMELESS PEOPLE SLEEPING BY THE POST OFFICE.

YOU GOT PEOPLE SLEEPING ON THE STAIRWELLS EVERYWHERE.

YOU GOT ABANDONED HOUSES.

YESTERDAY, THE POLICE WERE ON MY STREET LOOKING FOR A VAGRANT THAT WAS SLEEPING IN AN ABANDONED HOUSE.

I HAVE FOUR ABANDONED HOUSES ON MY BLOCK ALONE.

IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG.

IT REALLY DOESN'T TAKE LONG BECAUSE IF THE CITY COUNCIL, THE POLICE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, IF THEY DON'T REALLY JUMP ON IT NOW, IT'LL GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

THE FUTURE IS OUT THERE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY STAYS AS NICE AS IT WAS WHEN I GOT HERE.

AND HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, REDEEM ITSELF IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

BUT WE CAN'T WE CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS ANYMORE.

YOU GOT DRUGS, YOU GOT ENCAMPMENTS IN THE WOODS.

YOU GO ANYWHERE WHERE THERE'S TREES, YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH.

THERE'S AN ENCAMPMENT BACK THERE.

I TALKED TO THE POSTMASTER GENERAL JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND HE SAID THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT HOMELESS PEOPLE SLEEPING IN THE PARKING LOT.

THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE.

THAT'S JUST CRAZY.

I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSIDERATE AND AND COMPASSIONATE AND ALL THAT, BUT IT AIN'T WORKING.

IT JUST AIN'T WORKING. YOU GOT THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE.

SO ANYWAY.

I KNOW I HAVE 2 MINUTES LEFT, BUT THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY, IS THAT IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING NOW, IT'S GOING TO BE TOO LATE PRETTY SOON.

SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

AND NEXT IS MISS WANDA BOWMAN.

GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING.

IF YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES, PLEASE.

YES, MY ADDRESS WAS THREE 4400 JOYCE LANE ROAD, APARTMENT 2000.

MY REASON FOR BEING HERE.

I WAS HERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.

SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.

I CAME HERE SPEAKING ON THE BEHALF OF THE HOMELESS PEOPLE.

I MYSELF WAS ONE OF THE HOMELESS PEOPLE AT THE TIME.

SINCE THEN, I HAVE BECAME HOMELESS AGAIN.

I CAME TO A MEETING HERE WHERE SEVERAL OF THE AGENCIES THAT WAS HERE THAT SPOKE ON THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY HAVE.

MY REASON HERE IS TO SPEAK ON UNITED WAY AND THE AGENCIES AND HOW, AS THE MAN WAS SAYING, YOU HAVE A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE OUT ON THE STREETS, BUT YOU HAVE HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING PUT BACK ON THE STREET IN LESS THAN TWO WEEKS WITH LESS THAN TWO MONTHS.

AND THERE IS NOTHING BEING DONE ABOUT IT BECAUSE I FEEL WE DON'T HAVE THE HELP THAT WE NEED TO FIGHT THE SYSTEM, THAT WE NEED TO FIGHT SO THAT WE CAN REMAIN IN OUR HOMES.

BUT IN OUR SHELTER PLACES.

I CAME FROM LOUISIANA.

I WAS NOT HOMELESS WHEN I CAME HERE, BUT I HAVE THREE ADOPTED CHILDREN.

I CHOSE TO COME HERE TO TEXAS TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AND TO GIVE MY CHILDREN AN OPPORTUNITY, A BETTER OPPORTUNITY.

I COME FROM A VERY SMALL TOWN WHERE MY CHILDREN ARE STILL PLAYING ON DIRT GROUNDS.

MY CHILDREN MY CHILDREN MOVE TO THE STATE OF TEXAS.

SO I DECIDED TO COME HERE.

THREE WEEKS AGO, ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS THAT ALSO WAS IN THE PROGRAM HAD A NERVOUS BREAKDOWN BECAUSE SHE

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THAT UNITED WAY HAD SAID THAT THEY WAS GOING TO ASSIST HER GETTING INTO A PERMANENT PLACE AS THEY HAD PROMISED SO MANY OTHERS.

STRANGELY, SHE WAS DISCHARGED YESTERDAY OUT OF THE HOSPITAL.

IF I HAD KNOWN THAT I WOULD STAY BEHIND AND BROUGHT HER SO SHE COULD HAVE HAD BEEN HERE AS WELL.

BUT YOU ALL DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH PAIN OR HOW MUCH AGONY HOMELESS PEOPLE OR PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO GET STABLE.

AND THE THINGS THAT WE GO THROUGH WHEN LEGAL AID AGENTS, LAWYERS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO ASSIST US, TELLING US THAT THEY CANNOT HELP ASSIST US.

SO WE ARE WITHOUT ASSISTANCE.

I MYSELF IS NOW IN THE SEPARATE CIRCLE COURT THAT I HAVE TO DEFEND MYSELF BECAUSE I HAVE NO OTHER ONE TO DEFEND ME.

AND WHEN I COME BEFORE A BOY SUCH AS YOU, ALL THAT SAYS THAT YOU ARE FUNDING THESE AGENCIES THAT ARE WE NEED SOME LESS THAN YEARS.

I HAVE GIVEN SOME DOCUMENTATIONS TO THE BOARD MEMBERS.

I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU ALL HAVE THEM? BUT I HAVE PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION.

MS.. CIAO.

WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO DID SEND SOMEONE OUT TO THE HOME TO INVESTIGATE THAT APARTMENT.

NEVER HAPPENED. NEVER HAPPENED.

SO WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO HOMELESS PEOPLE REACHING OUT TO THOSE THAT ARE IN AUTHORITY TO ASSIST US WITH WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE, NEED TO HELP US, WE ARE RUNNING INTO DEAF EARS.

THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY, BECAUSE 4 MINUTES.

I CANNOT TELL YOU THE HARDSHIP THAT MY FAMILY HAS WENT THROUGH IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

THANK YOU. MR. STEVEN DUISENBERG.

ALL RIGHT. MY NAME'S STEVEN ELLENBERG.

606 WILSON STREET, DENTON.

WHAT'S GOING ON? ALL RIGHT.

MY BAD. THAT'S YOUR ADDRESS.

MY ADDRESS IS 1004 ABBOTS LANE.

WE TOOK A PLEDGE TO BOTH OF THESE FLAGS HERE TONIGHT.

OK. AND THAT PLEDGE MEANS SOMETHING, ALL RIGHT? IT MEANS IT SHOULD MEAN SOMETHING TO ALL OF Y'ALL.

AND IT'S BASED IN THIS DOCUMENT.

THIS IS THE CONSTITUTION.

IF YOU HAVEN'T READ IT, I SUGGEST YOU GET A COPY.

BEAT IT UP LIKE I HAVE MINE.

I'VE GOT TWO COPIES IN HERE.

I'M HAPPY TO GIVE ANY OF YOU GUYS A COPY OF IT.

ALL RIGHT, BUT WE'VE GOT SOME ISSUES THAT I'VE BEEN BRINGING BEFORE Y'ALL'S I'VE BEEN COMING BEFORE THIS BODY SINCE NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR ASKING FOR HELP, AND I'VE GOTTEN ZERO RESPONSE. ALL RIGHT.

I WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO, WHENEVER THE LAST MEETING WAS.

BUT I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL WITH MY MOM, WHO SUFFERED HER SECOND STROKE LIKE SYMPTOMS, STROKE LIKE SCENARIO SINCE HAVING THE VACCINE.

ALL RIGHT. THE LAST TIME WE LEFT OFF HERE, WE WENT OVER PFIZER'S STUDY, WHICH WAS RELEASED IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.

28 OUT OF 32 PREGNANT MOTHERS WHO HAD BEEN EXPOSED TO THE VACCINE HAD THEIR BABIES DIE.

AND WE ESTABLISHED THAT THAT IS NOT NORMAL AND THAT PFIZER IN THIS REPORT SAID THERE WERE NO SAFETY SIGNALS THAT EMERGED FROM THE REVIEW OF THESE CASES OF USE AND PREGNANCY AND WHILE BREASTFEEDING.

SO THAT CONCLUSION THAT PFIZER MADE DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

28 OUT OF 32 KNOWN OUTCOMES.

THE BABIES DIED, NO SAFETY SIGNALS.

THOSE DO NOT COMPORT WITH REALITY.

WE HAVE A SERIOUS HEALTH RISK AND PUSHING THIS ON PEOPLE.

AND ON JULY 25TH, JUST THIS YEAR, LAST WEEK, THE AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION ADMITTED THAT PFIZER'S VACCINE CAUSED HEART INJURY. AND SO WHETHER OR NOT MY MOM HAD A PREEXISTING CONDITION, THAT MADE HER MORE LIKELY TO BE STUCK IN ATRIAL FIBRILLATION, WHICH IS WHAT'S HAPPENED AND WHY SHE'S HAD TO TAKE THIS NOW BECAUSE SHE'S JUST SITTING IN AFIB AND SO HER HEART IS NOT BEATING REGULARLY NOW.

AND THIS IS ALL OCCURRED SINCE HAVING TAKEN THIS VACCINE.

AND SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IS, IS BLOOD POOLS UP THERE AND THEN IT CLOTS AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN HER BLOOD PRESSURE SPIKES WHEN SHE HAS THIS ESSENTIALLY STROKE.

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AND THE DOCTOR, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE CARDIOLOGIST HAS TAKEN HER OFF OF BLOOD THINNERS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE SECOND INCIDENT.

THAT'S WHY I WASN'T HERE. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE GOT MORE THAN JUST ME THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH STUFF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN REAL, NOT RARE.

I MEAN, THERE'S THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BEGGING FOR HELP, CAN'T GET DOCTORS TO EVEN TREAT THEM.

WHEN WE INITIALLY WENT TO THE HOSPITAL SIX DAYS AFTER SHE GOT THAT FIRST DOSE AND SHE HAD THIS FIRST THING HAPPEN, WHAT THE DOCTORS SAY THEY WOULDN'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE PROXIMITY OF VACCINATION TO HER HEALTH EVENT.

SO WHAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THAT? IT'S BEING DIRECTED BY THE AMA WHO TOLD DOCTORS THAT THEIR LICENSE ARE GOING TO BE PULLED FOR REVIEW IF THEY EVEN REPORT A VACCINE RELATED INJURY OR PROXIMITY.

IF YOU PUT VACCINE IN THE CHART, WE'RE PULLING YOUR LICENSE FOR REVIEW.

THAT'S NOT GOOD.

THE RIGHT THING FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.

AND I'VE HEARD THAT.

TERM USED IN THIS BODY NUMEROUS TIMES.

AND I'M ASKING YOU FOR THE LAST TIME.

PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THINGS FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.

INVESTIGATE THIS STUFF, POLL OUR COMMUNITY, AND FIND OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE THIS HURT.

WE NEED TO KNOW SO WE HAVE ACCURATE DATA SO WE CAN FIGURE THIS STUFF OUT.

I DIDN'T GET INTO THE BODY OF WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HERE TONIGHT, BUT I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD THING.

I THINK MAYBE GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO GET OUT OF.

LET'S DO THAT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. SOMEBODY LEFT THEIR GLASSES.

ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY NEED A COPY OF THE CONSTITUTION? NO, NO, I'M GOOD.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

OKAY. WHAT LET YOU GET SITUATED THERE? SHOOT AND. ALL RIGHT, LET'S MAKE IT CLEAR.

OK. MISS SMITH.

SMITH. IF YOU COULD GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES.

THANK YOU. MY NAME IS DONNA SMITH.

AND YOU CAN. YEAH, SURE.

YEAH. I'M DONNA SMITH.

AND MY ADDRESS IS 3924 YELLOWSTONE.

AND I DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THIS AFTERNOON TO WATCH YOUR WORK SESSION THAT YOU HAD IN YOUR OFFICE OVER HERE.

AND IT WAS NICE TO SEE OUR CITY MANAGER, SO THANK YOU FOR BEING THERE.

ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE IN WATCHING THAT IS THAT AND THIS IS OVER THE REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS.

WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT.

BUT ANYWAY, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO REEXAMINE THAT.

AND PARTIALLY, HERE'S MY REASON.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING A FEW THINGS UP ON THE BOARD.

THE FETAL HEARTBEAT LAW DOES SAY IT CANNOT BE PERFORMED OR AIDED OR ABETTED IN ABORTION IF A FETAL HEARTBEAT IS DETECTED DOES NOT APPLY TO THE ABORTION PATIENT.

SO ALL THE CRYING THAT THAT LITERALLY HAPPENED TWO WEEKS AGO IN THIS ROOM, A PEOPLE WHO WERE EXTREMELY TRAUMATIZED IN GIVING THEIR STORIES WAS NOT EVEN NECESSARY.

AND IT'S I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU ALL KNEW THAT, BUT THIS SUBJECTED SOME PEOPLE TO SOME REALLY HORRIFIC RETELLING OF SOME AWFUL EVENTS.

THE THIS SB EIGHT IS NOT EVEN DOESN'T EVEN APPLY TO THAT WOMAN.

IT APPLIES TO A DOCTOR WHO IS ILLEGALLY IN OPERATION TO DISMEMBER CHILDREN.

THAT'S WHO THEY'RE GOING TO GO AFTER.

SO IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT, THAT'S WHAT SBA TALKS ABOUT.

SO THIS IS A MUTE POINT.

BUT WHAT IT DOES DO IS IT MAKES DENTON LOOK LIKE WE'RE WOKE.

THAT WE WE WE KNOW THE LAW AND WE CHOOSE TO ACT LIKE IT'S NOT EVEN THERE AND MAKE PEOPLE INTO VICTIMS WHEN THEY'RE NOT EVEN BEING THE ONES LOOKED AT.

AND PART OF WHAT I SAW TODAY MENTIONED THAT, WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN MEDICAL ISSUES.

WELL, IF A WOMAN IS RAPED, RAPE KITS ARE GETTING GIVEN OUT.

THE POLICE ARE INVOLVED IN THOSE.

SO THAT'S NOT EVEN A GOOD EXCUSE THAT THIS IS MEDICAL.

I DON'T BUY THAT.

THAT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING WE WANT TO BE COMPASSIONATE TO THE DISMEMBERING OF CHILDREN.

IT'S NOT COMPASSIONATE TO DISMEMBER A CHILD.

IT'S JUST NOT.

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SO THE THE AND SO THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WAS PUT FORTH AND I WAS KIND OF SAD TO SEE THAT OUR POLICE CHIEF APPEARS TO GO ALONG WITH IT BECAUSE THEY WERE ASKED TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BE SLOW TO RESPOND, DON'T TAKE ANY ACTION.

WELL, MY GOODNESS.

THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE.

NOW, I'M NOT SAYING WE WOULD DO THIS AS A CITY COUNCIL, BUT WHAT IF THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDED, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE OPIOID CRISIS, I DON'T REALLY CARE HOW MANY PEOPLE DIE FROM OPIOIDS.

LET'S DECIDE FOR THE POLICE TO DRAG THEIR FEET IN LOOKING AT THE OPIOID DEATHS OF PEOPLE. IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE ONCE WE START DECIDING WHICH LAWS THAT WE'RE GOING TO OBEY AND WHICH ONES WE'RE NOT.

I MEAN, SURELY WE WOULDN'T TELL THE FIRE CHIEF.

YOU KNOW, ARSON IS REALLY NOT THAT BIG A DEAL.

SO BE SLOW TO INVESTIGATE ARSON.

WE WOULDN'T DO THAT.

SO SOMEHOW WE'VE WE'VE GOTTEN HERE AND I'M ASKING YOU TO RECONSIDER.

AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MS.. GRECO.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE.

EVA GRECO, 802 WEST OAK STREET.

I'M JUST GOING TO SPEAK IN GENERAL ABOUT A FEW THINGS.

JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS ME SOME LONGER THAN OTHERS.

WHEN I SPEAK, I SPEAK MY OWN EXPERIENCE THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME, MY RESEARCH, MY HOMEWORK.

I STATE FACTS IF I AM UNSURE OF SOMETHING.

THE ONES WHO REALLY KNOW ME KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK ON IT ON ANYTHING UNTIL I'M ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE ABOUT IT.

SO IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING THAT THINGS I SAY ARE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT.

BUT JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP TALKING.

AS WE CAN SEE, I WILL CONTINUE TO SPEAK.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS EARLIER THIS YEAR OR LAST YEAR.

THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT A COUNCIL MEETING REGARDING BELL LAB, WHICH THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR THAT STREET.

OK. I WASN'T AT THE WORK SESSION TODAY, BUT I SAW A LOT OF STUFF FLYING ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT THAT TOPIC.

IT'S YOU CLOSE DOWN THE STREET.

YOU TAKE AND TAKE AND TAKE FROM THE CITIZENS.

OKAY. WELL, YOU CAN'T DO THIS AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

WELL, IT WAS CLOSED DOWN FOR CONSTRUCTION, SO THE PEOPLE ADAPTED.

WE HAD NO CHOICE.

OK WE WERE FORCED TO.

SO IT'S NOT THAT WE ADAPT.

YOU ADAPT TO SOMETHING BECAUSE THERE ISN'T AN ALTERNATIVE, BUT LET'S ADAPT TO A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING IT.

WHEN YOU'RE JUST TOLD, NO, THAT'S NOT ADAPTING.

AS A MEMBER HAD SAID OK ON.

TAXES GO UP AND THEY TAKE AGAIN.

THEY TAKE AND TAKE FROM US CITIZENS.

OK. AND YET IT'S NEVER ENOUGH.

YOU WANT MORE? YOU WANT MORE FROM US.

AND YOU CAN'T.

WELL, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE BELL AVE.

NOW YOU CLOSE, BELLA AVE.

JUST THINK OF THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION.

AND THE MORE POLLUTION BECAUSE NOW TO GET FROM THIS AREA.

YOU CAN USE NORMALLY GO UP TO BEL AIR TO GET TO UNIVERSITY.

YOUR CHOICES NOW TAKE, YOU KNOW, SIDE STREETS BACK AND FORTH, THIS AND THAT.

ONE WAY IS LOCUST.

WE'LL GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO NOTTINGHAM JUST TO GET TO UNIVERSITY AND THEN BACKTRACK THIS WAY.

IMAGINE HOW MINGO ROAD JUST CANNOT SUSTAIN ALL THAT TRAFFIC.

IF YOU CLOSE BELLA THE LITTLE SIDE STREETS AROUND BELLA WE ARE SPEAKING TO CLOSE OFF OK.

CAN THEY SUSTAIN ALL THE ADDED TRAFFIC? THE FRUSTRATION, THE DISAPPOINTMENT IN WHO IS REPRESENTING US, THIS MAYOR IN COUNCIL,

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WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS.

WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.

AND THIS IS A THANK YOU THAT THE CITIZENS GET.

DO NOT CLOSE BELL AVE WE THE TAXPAYERS PAY FOR WORK ON THAT STREET.

AND YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO CAUSE A LOT MORE FRUSTRATION, ANGER.

TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE HORRENDOUS.

THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

THANK YOU. AND ZOLLNER.

AND.

DANA ZELLNER.

610 EMERY IT'S BEEN OVER A MONTH SINCE THE ABORTION DEBACLE.

WHILE I WASN'T AT THAT PARTICULAR PORTION OF THE MEETING, I DID READ SEVERAL ACCOUNTS IN THE DENTON PAPER.

ONE OF THE PARAGRAPHS STUCK OUT FOR ME BECAUSE IT WAS AN EXPLANATION OF COUNCIL'S ANNUAL WORKSHOP MEETING.

THE NEWSPAPER EXPLAINED HOW THE ISSUE OF THE ABORTION RESOLUTION REALLY WASN'T A CITY ISSUE BECAUSE IT WAS A NATIONAL ISSUE.

MY THOUGHTS IMMEDIATELY JUMPED BACK TO NOVEMBER 2014 WHEN THIS CITY VOTED ON A FRACKING BAN.

WHILE A CASE COULD BE MADE THAT IT WAS A LOCAL ISSUE, IT HAD NATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE.

THEREFORE, CITIES DO HAVE DOGS IN NATIONAL FIGHTS AND THE CITIZENS AND DENTON HAD A RIGHT TO EXPECT THE CITY TO ADDRESS IT.

EVERY PUBLIC ENTITY HAS WORKSHOPS, AND OVER THE YEARS I'VE COME TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S TO TRAIN THE NEW MEMBERS IN HOW TO ADVANCE THE GOVERNMENT'S AGENDA, NOT HOW TO BE A GOOD REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE THAT THEY ACTUALLY SHOULD BE SERVING.

MAYBE YOUR WORKSHOP SHOULD HAVE FOCUSED ON OPEN MEETING LAWS, HOW COUNCIL MEMBERS NEED TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM UNKNOWINGLY VIOLATING PROTOCOLS AND ALL THE OTHER PITFALLS THAT USUALLY GET IGNORED IF IF THE MEMBERS VOTE THE WAY THEY'RE EXPECTED TO VOTE.

IN ALL MY YEARS OF WATCHING LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS COME AND GO, I CAN COUNT VERY FEW WHO CAME OUT WITH THE SAME IDEALS AND INTEGRITY THAT THEY WENT IN WITH.

IT WAS CERTAINLY NOT WITHOUT GREAT COST TO THOSE FEW, SINCE THEIR FELLOW SCHOOL BOARD OR COUNCIL MEMBERS ROUTINELY TREATED THEM WITH CONTEMPT.

WILLIE HUDSPETH AND MIKE COCHRAN WERE THE FIRST TWO THAT I NOTICED FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT.

MORE RECENTLY, I'VE BECOME HOPEFUL THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A TURNAROUND BECAUSE KEELEY BRIGGS, DEB ARMATURE AND PAUL METZLER COULD ALSO WALK OUT WITH THEIR HEADS HELD HIGH.

I'M LOOKING AT THIS CURRENT COUNCIL AND I SEE SEVERAL MEMBERS THAT I HOPE TO ADD TO THE LIST OF ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT DON'T DISMISS OUT OF HAND THE PUBLIC AND THEIR CONCERNS.

I HOPE THAT THIS LATEST HOSTILE EXCHANGE WON'T DISSUADE THOSE MEMBERS FROM STAYING IN THE COURSE AND DOING WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITIZENS AND NOT FOR THE CITY MACHINE THAT'S IN PLACE.

I'M SORRY THAT THINGS WERE SO UGLY.

JUNE 28TH.

I WOULD THINK BY NOW THAT THE GOVERNMENTS AT ALL LEVELS HAVE FIGURED OUT THAT THEY WILL CREATE ANGRY RESPONSES WHEN CITIZENS FEEL THAT THEY'VE NOT BEEN GIVEN DUE CONSIDERATION TO THEIR FEELINGS AND OPINIONS.

I'M SORRY THAT IT SEEMS TO HAVE COME TO A COMPLETE LOSS OF CIVILITY AND WILLINGNESS TO COMPROMISE.

SURELY, AT THE CITY LEVEL WE CAN ALL FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT WITHOUT FURTHER ALIENATION OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO BE REPRESENTING. TO QUOTE JOE PICKETT, A CHARACTER CREATED BY AUTHOR C.J.

BOX, WE DO A BETTER JOB IF WE KNOW THE PEOPLE WE'RE WORKING FOR.

I HOPE YOU ALL WILL MAKE AN EFFORT TO KNOW THE PEOPLE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING FOR.

AND AS AN ASIDE, THE COMMENT AT THE LAST MEETING WHERE THE COMMENT WAS MADE, THE MARIJUANA VOTE WON'T PASS.

I'M I'M 74 YEARS OLD.

I NEVER EVEN SMELLED MARIJUANA UNTIL I MOVED TO TEXAS IN THE EIGHTIES.

AND I PLAN ON GOING AND VOTING FOR DECRIMINALIZING MARIJUANA.

SO MAYBE YOU DON'T KNOW THE PEOPLE.

I'M GLAD THEY'RE CITIZENS IN OUR COMMUNITY TRYING TO FIGHT THOSE WHO ONLY CARE FOR THEIR OWN SPECIAL INTERESTS.

THEY ALSO HAVE MY ADMIRATION.

NOT THAT MY ADMIRATION MATTERS TO SOME OF YOU.

THANK YOU. OK.

[03:55:02]

TAKES US TO A CONSENT AGENDA.

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

WE'RE BACK ON THE SCREEN, BY THE WAY.

SO TAKE A MOTION.

EVERYTHING BUT FOUR K WHICH WAS PULLED FOR SEPARATE VOTE.

MAYOR PRO TEM I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ACCEPTING ITEM K.

COUNCILOR DAVIS SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMAN AND MAYOR FOR TIM BECK.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

ANY DISCUSSION? CNN. LET'S THROW IT ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT PASSES A 7 TO 0 TAKES US TO ITEM K ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND OUR CALL THAT IT'S ID

[K. Consider adoption of an ordinance approving authorizing the City Manager, or their designee, to execute and deliver a Reimbursement Agreement for Quiet Zone Services by and between the City of Denton and the Union Pacific Railroad Company (“UPRR”) relating to the Mingo Road Quiet Zone Project from Frame Street to Mockingbird Lane in the City of Denton; authorizing the expenditure of funds not-to-exceed amount of $60,000.00; and providing an effective date.]

MAYOR, I WAS ASKING THAT THIS BE PULLED.

I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A STAFF PRESENTATION.

IF YOU WANT TO GIVE IT, THAT'S FINE.

IF OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT TO HAVE IT, THAT'S FINE.

BUT I DIDN'T PULL IT FOR A STAFF PRESENTATION, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION IN CASE NOBODY ELSE WANTS THAT.

THEN WE CAN JUST MOVE FORWARD.

IS THERE ANYONE THAT WE ARE GOOD WITH? JUST VOTING? I ASSUME, COUNCILMAN BURT.

OKAY. YOU GO RIGHT HERE.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

COUNCIL. BECKY DOHENY, CITY ENGINEER, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.

JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS AGREEMENT BETWEEN QPR AND THE CITY OF DENTON.

THE OVERALL SCOPE IS A FEASIBILITY STUDY AND REALLY REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS TO IMPLEMENT QUIET ZONE GRADE CROSSINGS.

YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST CROSSING THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT WOULD BE FRAME STREET.

THE POSSIBILITY, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TODAY DURING WORK SESSION.

LOOKING AT WILLIS STREET MINGO RUDEL.

PERTAIN NOTTINGHAM MOCKINGBIRD.

A PRIVATE CROSSING.

COOPER CREEK ROAD AND FISH TRAP.

THE AGREEMENT REALLY IS A OVERALL SCOPE TO PROVIDE MEETINGS WITH UPR, THOSE FIELD DIAGNOSTICS AND INSPECTIONS WITH THE RAILROAD.

IT PROVIDES US A NOTICE OF INTENT, OF REVIEW AND COMMENTS OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE RAILROAD GRADE CROSSINGS.

IT GIVES THE PUBLIC AUTHORITY APPLICATION REVIEW AND COMMENTS, WHICH IS A PROCESS ALSO THROUGH THE RAILROAD.

THEY ALSO CONSIDER A NOTICE OF ESTABLISHMENT WHICH REVIEWS THE OVERALL GRADE CROSSINGS AND GIVE US COMMENTS BACK ON THOSE.

IT WILL HELP US MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT IMPLEMENTATION EFFORTS NEED TO HAPPEN.

THEY'LL ALSO DO AN OVERALL INVENTORY OF THE GRADE CROSSINGS IN THIS AREA THAT I'VE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED AND THAT IT ALSO COVERS THE TRAVEL EXPENSES FOR THE RAILROAD PERSONNEL WHO WERE NOT LOCATED HERE WITHIN THE CITY.

IT DIDN'T REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS REALLY A FORMAL ASSESSMENT OF THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AT EACH INTERSECTION.

IT WORKS AS THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN INITIATION PHASE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE CLOSURE AND COMPLETION OF THE CROSSINGS.

WE ARE INTERESTED IN THIS 60,000 AGREEMENT BETWEEN UPPER AND THE CITY OF DENTON TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION TO DEFINE THE SCOPE.

IT ALSO HELPS US WITH THE FORMAL ASSESSMENT REPORT WE WILL RECEIVE, WHICH THEN WILL BE GIVEN TO A DESIGN CONSULTANT AT EACH ONE OF THESE LOCATIONS.

IT ALSO HELPS US UNDERSTAND THE COMPLETE SCOPE, AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS WHAT IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE MADE AT EACH INDIVIDUAL LOCATION, WHICH WILL HELP IDENTIFY THE NECESSARY FUNDING FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE CROSSINGS.

EACH CROSSING IS IN A DIFFERENT STATE, AND THOSE OVERALL EVALUATIONS WILL HELP US CLEARLY DEFINE EXACTLY WHAT'S NEEDED AT EACH ONE OF THOSE CROSSINGS NOW.

UPPER IS NOT GOING TO PROVIDE US THAT SCOPE OF THE FUNDING AND DO THOSE ESTIMATES FOR US, BUT IT WILL GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED AT EACH ONE OF THOSE LOCATIONS THAT ARE DESIGNED CONSULTANT WILL WORK THROUGH.

AND THEN OF COURSE, THIS IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE QUIET ZONE IMPLEMENTATION OR ANY WORK TO BE COMPLETED WITHIN THE RAILROAD CROSSING.

WE RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE APPROVAL OF THIS REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT BY IN BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON AND THE UPPER R IN THE AMOUNT OF $60,000 FOR THIS OVERALL MINGO QUIET ZONE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FROM FRAME STREET TO FISH TRAP ROAD.

OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING.

NONE. COUNCILMAN. MAGUIRE.

OK. MAYOR PRO TEM.

[04:00:05]

RATHER, I APOLOGIZE.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON IS WHAT RELATIONSHIP DO WE HAVE WITH UPR FOR OUR GENERAL PROJECTS IN GENERAL? IS IT FAVORABLE? IS IT NEUTRAL? IS IT IS IT IS IT LIKE PULLING TEETH? HOW ARE WE WITH UPR? I WOULD SAY THAT OUR DEPARTMENT WORKS AS A BUSINESS ARRANGEMENT BETWEEN UPR AND THE CITY OF DENTON.

THESE ARE TERRITORIES THAT WE ARE NOT ALWAYS CHARTING EVERY SINGLE DAY.

AND SO OUR TEAM ACTUALLY TODAY HAD AN EXCELLENT IN THE FIELD MEETING ON THE OTHER ZONE PROJECT, LEARNED A LOT AND HAD A GREAT COOPERATION WITH THE RAILROADS. SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR DEPARTMENT WILL CONTINUE TO GROW IN AND REALLY WORK TO TRY TO DEVELOP AND ESTABLISH A MORE FORMAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE RAILROAD. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY.

KASPER MAGUIRE. THANK YOU.

SO I THINK THAT IN LIGHT OF THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD AROUND QUIET ZONES, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME CONCERN THAT WE HAVEN'T COMPLETED SOME OTHER QUIET ZONE PROJECTS, AND NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO A NEW ONE.

BUT I THINK BETWEEN THAT AND THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING AROUND CLOSING BELL, WE NEED TO GET A COMPLETE PICTURE OF CROSSINGS IN THE AREA, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S A GIVE AND TAKE BETWEEN.

ARE WE GOING TO CLOSE SOME CROSSINGS? ARE WE GOING TO OPEN NEW CROSSINGS? WE NEED TO GET THAT COMPLETE PICTURE BEFORE WE CAN REALLY START MAKING SERIOUS PROGRESS AND GET BOND FUNDING FOR THESE OTHER QUIET ZONES.

SO I MOTION APPROVAL.

I MEAN MAYOR PRO TEM I'LL SECOND MOST MAGUIRE SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM DISCUSSION.

COUNCILOR WATTS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SO AND COUNCILOR MAGUIRE, I APPRECIATE THAT INSIGHT AND THAT KIND OF APPROACH.

I GUESS MY THOUGHT IS.

IS THIS FOR SPECIFICALLY QUIET ZONES OR BECAUSE IT SAYS OR OTHER? IS THIS SPECIFICALLY TO GET THE CRITERIA FOR QUIET ZONES? NUMBER ONE IS THE FIRST QUESTION.

YES, SIR. THAT IS THE INTENT.

ALL RIGHT. AND WHEN HAVE WE GOTTEN THOSE THAT CRITERIA THAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE FOR THE OTHER QUIET ZONES THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, THAT WE HAD BOND FUNDING FOR THAT WAS INADEQUATE? HAVE WE WE'VE DONE THAT, CORRECT? YES, SIR. THE OTHER QUIET ZONE PROJECT THAT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH CURRENTLY AND WAS SUBMITTED THROUGH A PERMIT PROCESS WHERE WE RECEIVED ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK.

SO THAT'S PART OF THE ONSITE VISIT THAT HAPPENED TODAY.

SO THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH WITH THE OTHER QUIET ZONES, THIS WOULD BE A SIMILAR PROCESS.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO INITIATE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IN ADVANCE SO THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH WHAT ARE THE TRUE NEEDS OF EACH ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUAL QUIET ZONES.

SO AND WE INITIATED THIS TYPE OF PROCESS FOR THESE OTHER AND IF I'M ALL POSTING EITHER MAYOR OR CITY ATTORNEY, LET ME KNOW.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE SCOPE OF THIS IS COMPARED TO WHAT THE SCOPE HAS BEEN.

AND SO IF I'M OFF POSTING, JUST INTERRUPT ME AND I'LL I'LL STAY HOME.

SO THIS SAME PROCESS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY WAS DONE FOR THESE OTHERS, AND THAT WAS DONE WHEN? BACK IN 2013.

14. I'M SORRY, SIR.

I DON'T HAVE THAT DATE. YEAH, WE HAD THE BOND FUNDING BACK IN 2014.

AND MY HUNCH IS SO THAT'S MY ONLY POINT IS I'M THE.

THE PERSUASION OF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS TO SEE HOW WE HANDLE THE BELL SITUATION IS IS DISPOSITIVE.

THAT'S IMPORTANT.

MY CONCERN IS WE'RE TALKING FIVE OR TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD UNLESS WE MOVE THIS PROJECT AHEAD OF THE OTHER PROJECTS.

AND SO IF WE WANT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, THEN I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT.

JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

I THINK WE'RE KIND OF MIXING THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT.

WHAT THIS CONTRACT IS FOR IS FOR THE DOWNTOWN QUIET ZONES, THE BOND PROGRAM PROJECT.

THIS IS FOR US TO ONE PIECE.

WE'LL GET, AS I UNDERSTAND, THE TRUE COST OF THAT.

THEY'RE NOT SEPARATE. THIS IS FOR THE SAME QUIET ZONES THAT WERE IN THE BOND PROGRAM.

YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE DID THIS SAME PROCEDURE FOR THE ONES THAT WE DID EIGHT YEARS AGO IN THE BOND PROGRAM.

WE DID THAT SAME PROCEDURE OR THIS IS THE BOND PROGRAM.

THESE ARE FOR THE QUIET ZONES THAT WERE IN THAT WERE THAT WERE PART OF THE ORIGINAL FOUR OR SO.

THIS IS FROM WHAT STREET ALL THE WAY THROUGH? I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

I MEAN, IT INCLUDES ALL THE DOWNTOWN QUIET.

SO IN THE IN IN THE DOWNTOWN QUIET ZONE WAS PART OF THE BOND PROGRAM, 2014 BOND PROGRAM.

THERE WERE NINE QUIET ZONE, SEVEN QUIET ZONES.

THIS IS THEM THAT YOU'RE SEEING.

SO WE'VE ALREADY DONE SOME OF THEM.

I MEAN, I SEE SOMEBODY ANYWAY.

[04:05:02]

THEY WERE BROKEN INTO TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS, WHICH THE DOWNTOWN IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGN, WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE AREAS THAT ARE SOUTH OF THIS LOCATION, SYCAMORE, PRAIRIE, MCKINNEY AND I'M MISSING ONE.

GOTCHA. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS ON RIGHT NOW, AND WE'VE BEEN HAVING THOSE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RAILROAD.

AND WHEN WE SUBMITTED OUR DESIGN, THEY'RE NOW ASKING US TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT SOME PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS.

THAT'S THE ONGOING CONVERSATION.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS SCOPE IS TO DO THAT SAME LEVEL OF EFFORT BEFORE WE GET TO DESIGN SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE RAILROAD CROSSINGS, AND WE CAN SCOPE THEM APPROPRIATELY AND FUND THEM APPROPRIATELY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AT EVERY SINGLE CROSSING WITHOUT THE INPUT OF THE RAILROAD. SO WHAT DAVID IS SAYING IS CORRECT, IT WAS A PART OF THE ENTIRE SCOPE.

IT JUST IT WAS BROKEN INTO TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS.

THAT'S HELPFUL.

YES, SIR. AND SO I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY TIME THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN WASTED AND NOT TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS IN WORK SESSION.

BUT I WILL I WILL GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT THIS AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS.

SO. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SURE. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEE? AND THEN LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

CAN I PASS THE SEVEN ZERO? THAT CONCLUDES OUR CONSENT AGENDA TAKES US TO.

WE HAVE TWO ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

[A. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton, Texas, disapproving the proposed 2023 Denton Central Appraisal District budget; and providing an effective date.]

CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DISPROVING THE PROPOSED 2023 DENTON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT BUDGET AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL CASSIE OGDEN, CFO.

SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

THE DENTON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT HAS SUBMITTED THEIR PROPOSED BUDGET TO THE CITY.

THEY'VE REVIEWED IT WITH THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THAT THEY DID APPROVE THEIR BUDGET ON JULY 28TH.

IF COUNCIL APPROVES OF THEIR BUDGET, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED OF YOU TONIGHT.

IF YOU WISH TO DISAPPROVE THEIR BUDGET.

YOU WILL VOTE FOR THE RESOLUTION AND CITY STAFF WILL FORWARD THAT ON TO DECKARD AS SOON AS IT'S SIGNED.

THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS $17.9 MILLION, WHICH INCLUDES 18 NEW EMPLOYEES.

IT'S AN INCREASE OF $2.6 MILLION FROM THE FY 22 BUDGET.

THE CITY OF DAYTON'S PROPOSED ALLOCATION IS $538,368, AND STAFF CURRENTLY HAS NO RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE OK BEFORE QUESTIONS, I JUST WANT TO I WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION TO DISPROVE THE BUDGET, AND THAT IS BECAUSE THERE IT LACKS THE SPECIFICITY WE'VE BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO HERE IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S JUST KUDOS TO CITY STAFF OR BUT IT'S JUST IF YOU'RE GOING TO BRING ON 18 PEOPLE IN ONE YEAR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TRAIN THAT MANY PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GET THAT MANY PEOPLE PLUGGED IN.

AND THERE'S NO PATH TO HOW THE DOLLARS WILL BE ALLOCATED WITH WITH WITH SENSITIVITY, SPECIFICITY TO, FOR EXAMPLE, IS IT ALL GOING TO UPPER MANAGEMENT? IS IT GO INTO THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE BRINGING NEW EMPLOYEES? IT'S JUST THERE'S THERE'S NOT ENOUGH GRANULAR CLARITY AROUND A ITEM THAT IS SO SENSITIVE.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAXPAYER FUNDS AND APPRAISAL.

AND EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS HOW EXPENSIVE HOUSES ARE COMING IN ON THEIR APPRAISALS.

IT'S JUST CRITICAL TO ME THAT WE GET IT RIGHT AND SEND A MESSAGE TO THE TO THE BOARD, AT LEAST FOR ME TO SAY THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY IN THIS BUDGET, AND I CAN'T GO BACK TO THOSE THAT ELECTED ME AND CLEARLY COMMUNICATE HOW THOSE DOLLARS ARE GOING TO BE ALLOCATED.

AND IT'S JUST TOO BIG OF A JUMP FOR ME AND NOT NOT CLEAR ENOUGH ON HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE APPLIED OR BE SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTED.

SO THAT'S MY MOTION.

COUNCILWOMAN MCGEE. SECOND OK MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO, IN IN OUR STAFF'S INTERACTION WITH STAFF, WHAT

[04:10:01]

WE DID RECEIVE A CERTIFIED ESTIMATE INSTEAD OF CERTIFIED VALUES.

SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE 11% OF THE THE PROPERTIES STILL UNDER REVIEW.

SO THAT CREATES UNCERTAINTY WHEN WE GO TO PUT TOGETHER OUR BUDGET AND OUR PROPOSED TAX RATE FOR NEXT YEAR.

OKAY. SO THEN IF IF THAT'S OUR BARRIER, WHAT IN TERMS OF OUR OPERATIONS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS OUR OPERATIONS.

WHAT, WHAT WHAT DO WE WHAT DO WE IMAGINE? AND I'M ASKING YOU TO STRETCH MAYBE A LITTLE BIT, BUT WHAT DO WE IMAGINE WOULD BE THE NEEDED SOLUTION TO FOR OUR OPERATIONAL OPERATIONS TO IMPROVE? SO WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE KINDS OF IMPACTS YOU JUST MENTIONED, I THINK RECEIVING CERTIFIED VALUES ON TIME IS IMPORTANT FOR US.

IT GIVES US WE ALREADY HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME BY STATE LAW IN ORDER TO TURN AROUND THE CERTIFIED VALUES INTO A PROPOSED BUDGET DOCUMENT AND MEET ALL OF OUR POSTING REQUIREMENTS. SO FOR FOR OUR STAFF AND OUR CITY OPERATIONS, IT WOULD BE TO RECEIVE CERTIFIED VALUES ON TIME.

AND DO WE THINK AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT FAIR, DO WE THINK THE THE CRITICAL NEED FOR THEIR STAFF AND THEIR BUDGET IS ADDITIONAL STAFF MEMBERS THAT WOULD SOLVE THIS ISSUE THAT WE'RE FACING? I HONESTLY CANNOT SPEAK TO THAT.

I HAVEN'T LOOKED I HAVEN'T REVIEWED THEIR BUDGET IN DEPTH.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES THEY ARE FACING.

SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I FEEL COMFORTABLE GIVING YOU AN ANSWER.

THAT'S FAIR. THAT'S FAIR. I WAS ASKING YOU TO STRETCH A LITTLE BIT.

I APPRECIATE THAT. I WOULD I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I'M IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AMONGST MANY STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT DECKARD AND AND THEIR STYLE OF MANAGEMENT AND OTHER ISSUES.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FOR THIS DECISION BEFORE US WHETHER THE BUDGET BEING PRESENTED TO US IS A RATIONAL, REASONABLE BUDGET THAT THAT OVERCOMES BARRIERS AND KEEP THAT SEPARATE FROM ANY, ANY MANAGEMENT ISSUES BECAUSE I THINK THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT CHANNELS.

I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THE REST OF COUNCIL'S TAKE ON ON KEEPING THOSE STREAMS AS WE WOULD SAY AND GHOSTBUSTERS A SEPARATE DON'T CROSS THE STREAMS MAYBE SO I BEFORE I, I WE GO TO A VOTE OR ANYTHING.

I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR OTHER PEOPLE'S TAKE ON KEEPING A BUDGET ISSUE SEPARATE THAN THAN A MANAGEMENT ISSUE.

OKAY, CATHERINE BURT, I JUST HAPPENED TO BE AT THE OFFICE HAVING TO GO TO THE MEETING, THE PUBLIC MEETING THAT THEY HAD.

AND, YES, THE LACK OF EMPLOYEES AND THE DIFFICULTY IN HIRING PERMANENT PEOPLE, THEY'RE USING TEMPORARY HELP TO GET THROUGH ALL OF THIS.

THE THE COUNTY HAS GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY AND THEY SIMPLY DID NOT KEEP UP WITH THE THE THE MAJOR GROWTH EFFORTS.

SO AT THE TIME OF THAT MEETING, THEY WERE STILL ABOUT 6000.

IT WAS GOING TO TAKE AT LEAST ANOTHER SIX MONTHS FOR THEM TO TRULY GET THROUGH WHAT THEY NEEDED, TO GET THROUGH ALL THE DETERMINATIONS.

AND THERE WAS SOME PUSHBACK FROM A NUMBER OF CITIES AND ISDS THAT SPOKE UP AND SAID, HEY, WE WANT WE DON'T PUT THIS BUDGET OUT SO QUICKLY, TRY TO HOLD OFF AS LONG AS YOU COULD.

SO THAT WAS INTERESTING.

YES, THAT IS EXACTLY THE REASON WHY THEY WERE HAVING SOME DIFFICULTY GETTING SOME REAL RAW NUMBERS TO US.

SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE WERE HAVING TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE AT THIS MOMENT AND OF COURSE, DEPENDING ON HOW WE VOTE.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT TO THE MIX.

I KNOW HOW I'M GOING TO VOTE ON THIS ISSUE, COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. MY CONCERN HAS BEEN AND THE CONCERN OF AS EXCUSE ME, THE CONCERN OF OTHERS AS I'VE UNDERSTOOD IT, IS THAT I THINK IT'S PROBABLY UNIVERSALLY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY NEED MORE PEOPLE TO DO A BETTER JOB OF GETTING THE WORK PRODUCT OUT THERE, TO GET THE APPRAISALS DONE, TO GIVE FAIR REVIEWS AND APPEALS, AND TO GET THINGS TAKEN CARE OF IN A TIMELY WAY AND GETTING US ALL THE DATA THAT WE NEED, LIKE LITERALLY EVERY TAXING ENTITY IN THE COUNTY NEEDS

[04:15:10]

THEY WENT THROUGH A CONSULTANT PROCESS.

THEY WENT THROUGH A REVIEW PROCESS.

AND THE ISSUE WAS.

THE REVIEW AND THE BUDGET CAME OUT AT THE SAME TIME.

THE CONSULTANT'S REPORT AND THE PROPOSED BUDGET CAME OUT AT THE SAME TIME.

AND THE BUDGET IS NOT SPECIFIC IN.

IT DOES SAY THERE'S GOING TO HAVE MORE STAFF.

BUT WHAT WE'RE MISSING FROM I THINK WHAT WE'RE MISSING FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT IS A PLAN OF ACTION.

HERE IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THINGS DONE.

HERE'S HOW ADDING THESE 18 PEOPLE IN THESE KEY AREAS ARE GOING TO GET THE JOB DONE BETTER FOR YOU NEXT YEAR.

AND HERE'S HOW WE'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN MADDISON GIVES US ONE OF HER REPORTS AND IT'S A CONCUR, CONCUR, PARTIALLY CONCUR, DISAGREE, WHICH WE HARDLY EVER HAVE.

WE'RE MISSING THAT.

WE'RE MISSING THAT STAFF RESPONSE FROM DECODE.

AND WE HAVE VERY LIMITED WAYS OF OTHER THAN CALLING UP MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

WE HAVE VERY LIMITED WAYS OF DEALING WITH THAT ENTITY AS AN ENTITY.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THE ONLY CHECKS THAT WE HAVE ON ANY PART OF THEIR OPERATIONS WHICH IS APPROPRIATE, THAT WE'RE A TAXING ENTITY AND THEY ARE AN APPRAISING ENTITY AND THERE SHOULD BE SOME DISTANCE THERE.

BUT WE'RE VERY LIMITED IN THE WAYS THAT WE CAN CHECK AND BALANCE WHAT THEY DO.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM.

OK. COUNCILMAN.

MCGEE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO JUST START WITH A FEW BASIC QUESTIONS, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

HOW MANY DO YOU KNOW? HOW MANY FOLKS ARE ON THE BOARD? I'VE DONE THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE AND IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN A MINUTE.

SO I WANT TO SAY IT'S NINE.

I COULD BE MISTAKEN.

I CAN DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT OK REASON WHY I ASK THIS? BECAUSE I'M INCLINED TO AGREE WITH MR. DAVIS HERE. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS THIS RESOLUTION IS PERHAPS AN IMPERFECT SOLUTION.

I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR AND SAY I'M THANKFUL FOR THE STAFF AND THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE.

I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO CAST ASPERSIONS ON THE WORK THAT STAFF HAS DONE.

I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.

BUT LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

LAST YEAR.

DID NUMBERS COME IN ON TIME? YES. WITHOUT AN ACTION PLAN.

18 PEOPLE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE TO BRING ON BOARD AND TRY TO TRAIN TO GET UP TO SPEED TO DO THIS.

SO I HAVE I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, ESSENTIALLY.

I WOULD PREFER A DIFFERENT ROUTE OF EXPRESSING OUR DISPLEASURE.

BUT WHEN YOU TALK TO OUR PARTNERS AND OTHER BODIES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTY, IT SEEMS THAT THIS IS THIS IS THE CHOSEN ROUTE THAT EVERYONE IS GOING.

SO AS SUCH, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS RESOLUTION OF DISAPPROVAL.

SOME THINGS NEED TO CHANGE OVER THERE.

AND, MAYOR, IF I MAY.

LAST YEAR, THE CERTIFIED VALUES CAME IN ON TIME.

THE YEAR BEFORE THEY DID NOT.

SO THE PAST THREE YEARS, TWO OF THE THREE HAVE COME IN NOT ON TIME.

OK GOT IT. SIX BOARD MEMBERS.

THANK YOU, SARAH. GREAT.

SIX BOARD MEMBERS. APOLOGIZE.

CUSTOMER WHAT'S. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

SO LAST YEAR, ON JULY.

WAS IT 25TH OR YOU ALL RECEIVED CERTIFIED TAX ROLLS? CORRECT. AND I KNOW THE YEAR BEFORE WE DID NOT.

CORRECT. WHAT ABOUT THE YEAR BEFORE THAT? I BELIEVE WE DID, BUT I.

YEAH. BECAUSE I THINK I REMEMBER WE WE STRUGGLED WITH THIS.

WE ARE THE ONLY TWO TIMES IN RECENT HISTORY, POSSIBLY THE HISTORY OF THE CITY.

AND THE RELATIONSHIP WAS TWO YEARS AGO, IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO.

PRIOR TO THAT, WE DID NOT.

WE RECEIVED THEM ON TIME.

I THINK THERE WAS A DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATION AT THAT TIME.

DO YOU RECALL WHEN THEY DID THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW SOFTWARE, WHAT YEAR THAT WAS? THAT WAS IN THE LEADING UP TO TWO YEARS AGO WE DID, WHICH WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE VALUES.

ON FIRST YEAR THERE WAS COVID.

AND I THINK THE SOFTWARE IMPLEMENTATION HAS BEEN POINTED TO FREQUENTLY OVER THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS.

AND AND THAT'S HELPFUL INFORMATION BECAUSE I WASN'T ON COUNCIL BACK THEN.

SO RECEIVING THEM ON TIME LAST YEAR MEANS THAT FOR SOME REASON, WHETHER YOU CAN SAY THEY HAD ADEQUATE STAFF OR NOT, THEY DID WHATEVER THEY NEEDED TO DO TO GET THEM IN ON TIME.

LAST WAS IT LAST YEAR, YOU SAID LAST YEAR.

CORRECT. LAST YEAR.

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THIS YEAR, AS WE HAVE, WE ONLY RECEIVED A CERTIFIED ESTIMATE.

THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE SEE WE'VE SEEN COMMONLY THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

AND SO I WANT TO ADDRESS MAYOR PRO TEM QUESTION ABOUT BUDGET OR MANAGEMENT.

AND AND I REALLY DON'T SEE THOSE AS DIFFERENT.

THE MANAGEMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BUDGET.

AND SO THEREFORE I THINK IT'S THEIR JOB TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE ADEQUATE RESOURCES TO DO THE JOB.

I GO BEFORE THEM, AS SOME OF US DO HERE EVERY YEAR TO PROTEST.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY THIS WAS THE EASIEST YEAR, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT I'VE SEEN.

SO I'M I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED.

AND I GUESS FOR ME TO NOT SUPPORT THIS DISAPPROVAL RESOLUTION, I WOULD NEED A LOT MORE DETAIL FROM THE BUDGET.

AND I TRIED TO LOOK IT UP AND AND COULDN'T FIND IT.

BUT IT'S CRITICAL FOR WHAT KIND OF PRESSURE DOES IT PUT ON FINANCE WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH CERTIFIED ESTIMATES? IT'S A LOT. YEAH, IT CAN GO EITHER WAY.

YOU CAN EITHER IT CAN BE OVER.

AND SO THEREFORE WE SORT OF HAVE A SURPLUS OR IT'S UNDER AND WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THAT UP.

SO IT'S CRITICAL THAT FOR OUR BUDGETARY PROCESS AND OUR MANAGEMENT PROCESSES TO GET THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE TO RELY ON TO SET OUR TAX RATE, THAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT FOR OUR RATEPAYERS.

SO THIS ISN'T A SUPPORT OF THIS RESOLUTION OF DISAPPROVAL? WELL, THAT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT I KNOW WHAT'S BEST OR THAT I'M SUBSTITUTING MY JUDGMENT FOR, BUT I'M SAYING THAT IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO IT LAST YEAR.

BUT WE CAN'T DO IT THIS YEAR WITHOUT 18 MORE EMPLOYEES.

IN MY MIND, I'M HAVING DIFFICULTY TRYING TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT.

AND ALSO, I KNOW THAT SEVERAL PEOPLE RECEIVED NOTICES THAT WERE JUST WRONG AND THEY HAD TO CALL THEM BACK AND THEY SAID, NO, IT'S WRONG.

YOU'VE GOT TO GET THEM BACK.

AND. IT'S WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE AS CITY STAFF AND AS POLICYMAKERS CAN RELY UPON FOR OUR CITIZENS, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T GET IT, THEN WE'RE UP HERE SORT OF MAKING GUESSES AND BASING IT ON ESTIMATES, WHICH THAT'S NEVER GOOD BECAUSE OUR BUDGET IS OVER $1,000,000,000.

SO I WILL BE VOTING TO DISAPPROVE OR TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION OF DISAPPROVAL AS WELL.

HOW DO WE SET THAT UP? SORT OF A DOUBLE NEGATIVE OR SOMETHING? I'M NOT SURE, BUT. YES.

AND BEFORE I RECOGNIZE YOU, COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IF PEOPLE ARE CURIOUS, KIND OF COUNCIL MEMBER WATCH POINTS OUT IT'S $1,000,000,000.

THAT'S TRUE. AND THEN ALSO BUT TO FURTHER PUT THE FINER POINT ON THAT, UNDERSTAND HABITAT FOR HUMANITY BUILT THERE 106 HOUSE.

IT'S ROUND NUMBERS ABOUT 4500 SQUARE FEET NO GARAGE AND IT APPRAISED AT $320,000.

SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERY HOUSEHOLD, EVERY EITHER, YOU'RE EITHER WHETHER YOU'RE A HOMEOWNER OR A RENTER, IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE GET THIS NUMBER RIGHT AND THE NUMBERS ARE SO HIGH THAT IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE GET IT RIGHT QUICKLY.

DO WE COMMUNICATE PEOPLE SO THEY CAN PLAN FOR THEIR TAXES, SO THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO FROM A FROM A CITIZEN STANDPOINT? SO THE NUMBERS ARE JUST REALLY SIGNIFICANT IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET IT RIGHT.

COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I FOUND SOMETHING I WANTED TO READ FROM THE CONSULTANT'S REPORT.

AND PART OF IT'S GOING TO GO RIGHT TO STAFFING AND PART OF IT'S GOING TO MAYBE BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

BUT IN THE PAST TWO YEARS, THE DISTRICT HAS STRUGGLED TO KEEP UP WITH THE RAPIDLY INCREASING PROPERTY VALUES, ESPECIALLY OF HOMES, AND IS FAILED TO REACH THE REQUIRED LEVEL OF APPRAISALS REQUIRED BY THE STATE COMPTROLLER.

THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY APPRAISE AND YOU CAN USE PHOTOGRAPHY AND AERIAL STUFF, BUT YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY APPRAISE PROPERTIES ON A REGULAR ROTATING BASIS AND THAT JOB IS NOT GETTING DONE.

WHAT I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, KNOWING THAT THE COUNTY JUDGES ON THIS ISSUE, THAT THE DIFFERENT TAXING ENTITIES ARE CONCERNED WITH THIS.

A LETTER, A NICE NOTE SAYING HERE'S WHAT THIS BUDGET'S ABOUT AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO FIX THINGS.

EVERY SINGLE ELECTED POLICYMAKER IN THIS COUNTY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN SOMETHING THAT SAYS, HERE'S WHAT THIS BUDGET WILL ADDRESS, BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME ISSUES AND WE'RE WORKING ON IT. AND WE DIDN'T GET THAT.

WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT ASSURANCE.

SO THIS IS OUR WAY OF SPEAKING AGAINST THAT.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENT? MAYOR, JUST ONE REAL QUICK QUESTION, IF I MAY.

WHAT IS THE IMPACT IF WE DISAPPROVE, IF WE PASS THIS RESOLUTION, WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT? I MEAN, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIND IT IN THE BACK OF WHAT WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY GO TO THE OLD BUDGET. DO THEY I MEAN, WHAT HAPPENS? SO YOU MIGHT KNOW THE MAJORITY OF THE TAXING ENTITIES THAT THEY SERVE HAVE TO DISAPPROVE OF THEIR BUDGET.

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SO JUST IT SAYS, HEY, GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

YES. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. GO TO THE.

YOU'VE GOT TO HIT YOUR BUDGET.

I'M SORRY, MADAM CITY MANAGER.

YOU WANT TO ADD THAT? THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT.

YEAH. THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION HAS TO GO IN A WRITTEN FORM THAT YOU'RE DISAPPROVING THE BUDGET AND IT HAS TO BE SENT TO THE SECRETARY OF THE BOARD WITHIN 30 DAYS.

AND THAT DEADLINE IS AUGUST 27TH.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IT COMES FROM BERT. SO IF WE VOTE TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION TO DISAPPROVE THE PROPOSED 23 BUDGET FOR THIS GROUP, THIS MEANS THAT PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT WE ARE NOT ALLOWING THEM TO HIRE 18 NEW FULL TIME EMPLOYEES, WHICH IN MY MIND IS SUGGESTING THAT THEY CAN'T.

DO THEIR JOBS ANY FASTER AND MORE ACCURATE IF WE KEEP THEM AT THE SAME LEVEL THAT THEY ARE.

I BELIEVE THEY SAID THEY ONLY HAD SEVEN EMPLOYEES FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY.

AND SO THAT IS WHAT'S PUTTING THE BURDEN ON GETTING THEM TO GET THINGS DONE QUICKER.

AND SO THE 18 EMPLOYEES WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THEM.

I'M NOT REALLY SURE OF WHY WE WOULD NOT WANT TO SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE.

YOU KNOW, AS AS THE ALTERNATIVE.

I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HEARING ONE WAY, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE OTHER REASONINGS.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY, IF IF CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT APPROVES THE RESOLUTION DISAPPROVING THEIR BUDGET, WE WILL FORWARD THAT RESOLUTION ON TO THE DECKARD.

IF THE MAJORITY OF THEIR OTHER TAXING ENTITIES ALSO DISAPPROVE, THEN THEIR BUDGET WILL NOT PASS.

SO THERE'S A DOMINO EFFECT.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST AUTOMATIC DISAPPROVAL.

IT WILL DEPEND ON THE OTHER ENTITIES ALSO.

OK COUNCILMAN MCGEE YOU BACK IN? WHO WAS THAT? OK.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. WHAT? OK. MAN FOR TIMME.

THANK YOU. CAN I FOLLOW UP ON BOTH COUNCILOR BYRD'S QUESTION IN THE MAYOR'S ORIGINAL STATEMENT? SO IF THE AND THIS IS THIS IS JUST ME BEING IGNORANT, SO EDUCATE ME IF IF, IF IF THEIR BUDGET DOES NOT PASS BECAUSE ENOUGH MUNICIPALITIES ARE DISAPPROVING, THEN DO THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE STRUCTURE OF DQ'D TO COME BACK WITH A BUDGET THAT HAS THE SPECIFICITY THAT THE MAYOR HAS SAID HE WAS INTERESTED IN, BUT ALSO STILL HAS THE ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES THAT I THINK CLEARLY COUNCIL BYRD AND I ARE INTERESTED IN.

DO THEY STILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS? I'M NOT SURE ON THAT, THAT WE KNOW THE ACTUAL CODE REQUIREMENTS.

I'M NOT SURE MACK IF YOU KNOW, KIND OF OUTSIDE OF OUR WHEELHOUSE HERE TALKING ABOUT HOW D.K.

DOES THEIR BUDGET. BUT THE TAX CODE SAYS THAT WITHIN 30 DAYS THEY SHALL ADOPT A NEW BUDGET AND IT DOESN'T PUT ANY LIMITATIONS ON WHAT THEY ADOPT.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT TELLS THEM WHAT THEY WOULD ADOPT AT THAT POINT, SO THEY POTENTIALLY COULD COME BACK AND ADOPT THE SAME BUDGET.

THIS IS REALLY JUST A MECHANISM FOR US TO PROVIDE OUR INPUT AND ADVICE ON WHAT THEY SHOULD DO.

BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT LIMITS HOW THEY ADOPT THAT SUBSEQUENT BUDGET WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE.

I APPRECIATE IT. BEFORE BEFORE YOU, COUNCILMAN DAVID, IF YOU COULD.

IF I COULD BORROW YOU. SORRY.

TO GET MY STEPSON.

YES. I APPRECIATE YOU.

SO IF YOU CAN GIVE US, LIKE THE LAST THREE YEARS, HOW MUCH HAS THE CITY BUDGET INCREASED YEAR OVER YEAR, LIKE LAST THREE YEARS? IF YOU GO BACK TO 19, 20, 21, DO AROUND NUMBERS.

EASIER SAID. IS IT 17% AND IT'S NOT 17%, RIGHT? YEAH. OVERALL, PROBABLY 5% OR SO, I WOULD SAY.

THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD NUMBER. RIGHT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND SO JUST I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT IN THE CONTEXT FOR FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG, AGAIN, 17% IS A SIGNIFICANT JUMP AND ESPECIALLY NOT HAVING A ROADMAP TO

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IT'S IT'S TO ME THAT'S THE CONCERN.

RIGHT. IT'S JUST THAT'S A HUGE CHUNK JUST WITH NO PLAN TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO MEASURABLY BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THAT THAT BUDGET.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE AND WE'RE WE'RE $1.4 BILLION AS OF LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZATION.

SO OVER TALL THAT'S DME AND EVERYTHING.

BUT JUST TO KIND OF PUT IT IN OUR BUDGET DOESN'T DON'T FLUCTUATE DOUBLE DIGITS OR GROW AND WE STILL PROVIDE POLICE FIRE ALL THE ALL THE THINGS WE NEED TO GET DONE.

SO THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I ORIGINALLY WAS JUST GOING TO READ THAT PORTION OF THE TAX CODE THAT MACK ALREADY HAD TO HAND.

THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER SENT OUT A PRESS RELEASE THAT INCLUDES A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THEIR RESOLUTIONS, VERY SPECIFIC, IN SOME OF THEIR REASONING, SOME OF WHAT WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT.

BUT TO THE POINT ABOUT THEY'VE GOT TO PASS A BUDGET, THERE'S GOT TO BE A BUDGET PASSED FOR THE ENTITY.

AND WHEN WE PASS A BUDGET, WE PASS SOMETHING THAT LOOKS A LOT LIKE THIS.

IT'S A WHOLE BIG WORKBOOK OF HOW YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY AND HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK.

IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET.

THERE'S A BUNCH OF EXCEL SPREADSHEETS IN YOUR.

IT'S IT'S A PLAN.

IT'S A PROGRAM OF SERVICES, IS WHAT SAYS RIGHT ON THE COVER.

IF THEY WANT TO PASS THE EXACT SAME BUDGET AFTER 30 DAYS, BUT THEY WANT TO DO IT WITH A COVER LETTER AND A PLAN AND A NOTE THAT SAYS, HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY AND HERE'S HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO BE BETTER.

I'D SAY GIVE THEM THE INCREASE BECAUSE THEY NEED SOME PEOPLE, BUT FOR ME, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IS NOT THE ONLY ISSUE.

IT'S THAT THEY WANT TO SPEND THAT MONEY CARTE BLANCHE WITHOUT THE EXPLANATION.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

OK. THANK YOU, KATHERINE MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT WHEN I WAS RESEARCHING THIS, THERE SEEMS TO BE OUTCRY WITH MANY OF THE TAXING ENTITIES ACROSS THE COUNTY.

SO I TALKED TO FRIENDS THAT ARE IN OTHER COUNTIES AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THINGS IN OTHER COUNTIES ARE WORKING AS THEY SHOULD.

WHEN YOU TAKE AN TARRANT COUNTY OR DALLAS COUNTY AND THEY'RE NOT HAVING THESE ISSUES.

SO I'M UNCLEAR ON WHY DENTON COUNTY IS HAVING THESE ISSUES.

AND AGAIN, AS I SAID, THIS IS AN IMPERFECT SOLUTION.

WHAT I WOULD PREFER IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE RESOLUTION SPECIFICALLY DISAPPROVING OF THE MANAGEMENT OF THE ORGANIZATION.

BUT AGAIN, I RECOGNIZE THAT, AS WE HEARD FROM OUR CITY MANAGER TODAY, THAT THERE IS UNPRECEDENTED PRESSURE ON STAFF WORKING ON THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW.

SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE TIME TO ADD A LOT MORE TO THE PLATE FOR STAFF.

AND I RESPECT YOU ARE RESPECT OUR STAFF VERY MUCH.

I WOULD NOT WANT TO ADD THAT.

SO FOR ME, GIVEN THAT THIS IS AN IMPERFECT SOLUTION, I BELIEVE IT IS THE ONLY COURSE OF ACTION THAT THAT THAT FITS THIS THAT THAT FITS WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW.

SO, AGAIN, THAT IS WHY I WILL BE VOTING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION OF DISAPPROVAL.

I GET THAT RIGHT. YOU'RE ON IT.

ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? ANY ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MYSELF, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

TAKES US TO OUR LAST ITEM, WHICH IS ID 221465.

[B. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, amending the fiscal year 2021-2022 budget and annual program of services of the City of Denton to allow for adjustments to the Risk Fund of Three Million Dollars ($3,000,000) for the purpose of funding workers compensation claims and administration, and services associated with health programming; declaring a public purpose; directing the City Secretary attach a copy to the 2021-2022 Budget; requiring approval by at least five votes; and providing a severability clause; an open meetings clause and an effective date.]

REQUIRE AN APPROVAL BY AT LEAST FIVE VOTES.

GOOD EVENING, CASSIE OGDEN, CFO.

SO WE HAVE A PROPOSED BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE RISK FUND OF $3 MILLION.

SO THE ORIGINAL FY 22 BUDGET WAS $6.1 MILLION.

WE ARE PROPOSING A $3 MILLION INCREASE TO $9.1 MILLION.

WE CURRENTLY ARE AT 98% SPEND WITH TWO MONTHS REMAINING OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

AND SO THE MAJORITY OF THESE ADDITIONAL EXPENSES ARE RELATED TO OUR CLAIMS AND INSURANCE INCREASES.

BUT I DO HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF A MORE ITEMIZED BREAKDOWN FOR YOU BASED ON A QUESTION WE RECEIVED BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETING.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE VARIOUS CATEGORIES THAT ARE INCREASING.

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AND THAT CONTINGENCY LINE IS REALLY UNFORESEEN EXPENSES IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS, JUST IN CASE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO BRING ANOTHER BUDGET AMENDMENT BACK, BUT IF SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP, WE WILL BE ABLE TO FUND IT OUT OF THIS BUDGET.

SO AGAIN, BASED ON A QUESTION WE RECEIVED BEFORE, COUNCIL WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT ALL THE INSURANCE POLICIES THAT THE RISK FUND DOES COVER.

AND WE HAVE SEEN SUBSTANTIAL INCREASES OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS TO ALL OF OUR INSURANCE POLICIES THAT THE CITY THE CITY PURCHASES.

AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU. CAN I JUST REQUEST AN EMAIL COPY OF THAT? YES, I WILL HAVE ROSA ACTUALLY UPDATE IT.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU, OK.

COUNCILMAN WATTS. YEAH.

IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE SLIDE.

GASSY ON THE. SURE.

LET'S GO. LET'S START WITH THE FIRST OF ALL, YEAR TO YEAR COMPARISON.

SO ON PROPERTY COMMERCIAL, THAT'S JUST INSURANCE.

THAT'S JUST YOUR RUN OF THE MILL CRIME.

WHAT IS THAT? I DO HAVE DEBBIE SKOWRONSKI HERE FOR RISK MANAGEMENT.

SHE CAN ANSWER YOUR OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS.

OKAY, COOL. GOOD EVENING.

DEBBIE SOWINSKI, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF RISK AND COMPLIANCE.

THE CRIME POLICY COVERS THE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD THINK OF AS EMPLOYEE EMBEZZLEMENT, EMPLOYEE THEFT, THOSE KINDS OF INCIDENTS THAT WE WOULD WANT COVERAGE FOR. AND NOTE THAT WE DO HAVE AN 80 $800 EXPENSE THERE, BUT THAT'S FOR A THREE YEAR POLICY.

SO THAT'S IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT NUMBER BEING CONCERNED ABOUT THE INCREASE, IT'S ACTUALLY FOR THREE YEAR, THREE YEARS.

SO OUR IS IT I'M ASSUMING SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THE COVERAGE AMOUNTS, THE COVERAGE LEVELS HAVE STAYED STATIC.

IT'S JUST THE PREMIUMS HAVE GONE UP.

SO WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GETTING ADDITIONAL COVERAGE.

THAT'S FINE. CORRECT.

AND THEN IF WE COULD GO TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE THIS YEAR JUST TO BREAK DOWN TO THE 3 MILLION.

UH, WHERE'S THE WORST OF WORKERS? WORKMAN'S COMPENSATION CLAIMS. SO THAT'S SAYING WE'VE INCURRED 400,000 MORE DOLLARS OF WORKMAN'S COMP CLAIMS THAN WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED FOR IN THIS BUDGET.

IS THAT IS THAT A FAIR.

THIS IS ADDING AN ADDITIONAL 400,000 TO ENSURE THAT WE DO NOT GO OVER BUDGET THIS YEAR.

SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING I MEAN, THAT'S BECAUSE WHAT IS THE ORIGINAL BUDGET FOR WORKMAN'S COMP CLAIMS? SORRY, I DIDN'T INCLUDE I DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IN MY QUESTION.

SORRY. AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW IT, YOU CAN JUST SEND IT TO ME.

THAT'S FINE. THE REAL THRUST OF MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE SEEING MORE WORK RELATED INJURIES? BECAUSE, I MEAN, WORKMAN'S COMP CLAIMS SEEM TO ME TO BE WORK RELATED INJURIES.

SO ARE WE SEEING AN UPTICK IN WORK RELATED INJURIES? AND IS THERE A SPECIFIC TYPE OF WORK? I MEAN, IS IT LINEMEN OR PARKS MAINTENANCE OR IS IT OR IS IT JUST SPREAD OUT ALL ACROSS THE THE EMPLOYMENT SECTOR? TO ANSWER YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, THE BUDGET IS 1.4 MILLION FOR WORK COMP CLAIMS AND WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASE IN CLAIMS JUST ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASE IN SURGERIES, DIFFERENT KINDS OF INJURIES THAT ARE RESULTING IN SURGERIES, A LOT OF SHOULDERS THAT ARE BEING INJURED.

AND WE ALSO DO HAVE SOME MORE SERIOUS CLAIMS THAT HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FAR REACHING INDEMNITY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE IN THIS BUDGET. OKAY.

SO THE WORKMAN'S COMP CLAIMS, THOSE ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE MEDICAL SURGERY.

WORKMAN'S COMP CLAIMS AREN'T COVERING THE SURGERY COSTS.

THEY'RE COVERING EITHER LOST WAGES OR I MEAN, WORKMAN'S COMP.

IT COVERS BOTH. IT COVERS BOTH THE MEDICAL EXPENSES FOR THE TREATMENTS OR THE SURGERIES OR WHAT HAVE YOU, AS WELL AS THE INDEMNITY IF THERE IS INDEMNITY TO BE TO BE PAID AND SUCH.

GOOD. I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOU GETTING THOSE DATA TOGETHER ON SUCH SHORT NOTICE.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN BECK.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT IS A COMBINATION OF ALREADY EXPENSE, 98% PLUS THE ESSENTIALLY THE TREND LINES FOR THE REST OF THE FISCAL YEAR, ASSUMING THAT THOSE KINDS OF BEHAVIORS CARRY THROUGH MONTH TO MONTH.

SO IN SOME SENSE, THIS IS THIS IS MONEY WE'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO PAY.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE MUCH OF A CHOICE IS KIND OF WHAT I'M SEEING THE THE LAST QUESTION BUT LET ME STOP THERE IS THAT IS MY SUMMARY SORT OF CORRECT?

[04:40:02]

I FORGET THE RESERVES. SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS BECAUSE THIS IS AN INTERNAL SERVICE FUND, THE ADDITIONAL EXPENSES WILL BE ALLOCATED BACK OUT TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THAT PAY INTO THIS FUND. SO WE DO A TRUE UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

SO WE WON'T DIP INTO RESERVES BECAUSE IT'S AN INTERNAL SERVICE FUND, BUT WE WILL REALLOCATE THE THE EXPENSES BACK OUT TO THE DEPARTMENTS SO THE REVENUE WILL COME BACK IN.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET AMENDMENT COUNCILMAN.

WHAT'S A SECOND MOST COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE SECOND COUNCIL MEMBER WATCH DISCUSSION.

SEE NONE OF THAT'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THANK YOU, EVERYONE.

AND THAT TAKES US TO CONCLUDING ITEMS.

[6. CONCLUDING ITEMS]

THANK YOU. I'LL BE BRIEF. I JUST WANTED TO THANK STAFF AND EVERYONE IN THE CITY FOR.

WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ON JULY 4TH AND THE FIREWORKS DISPLAY AT NORTH LAKES PARK, CONCERN ABOUT THOSE ANIMALS AT THE ADOPTION CENTER. AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM STAFF REPORT THAT EVERYTHING WAS GOOD, EVERYTHING WAS FINE, STAFF TOOK ALL THE APPROPRIATE MEASURES TO MITIGATE THAT.

AND IT DIDN'T SEEM THAT THERE WAS ANY THING OTHER THAN NORMAL KIND OF BEHAVIOR, FROM WHAT I COULD TELL.

SO I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WORKING HARD TO DO THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY AND I THINK STAFF STEPPED UP, MADE SURE THAT THEY TOOK CARE OF IT AND IT WORKED OUT.

SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE MADAM CITY MANAGER KUDOS TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR REALLY HEARING THE COMMUNITY AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE.

COUNCILWOMAN. MCGEE. THANKS, MR. MAYOR. JUST WANT TO BRING THE COMMUNITY'S AWARENESS TO A PARTICULAR SITUATION.

A GENTLEMAN NAMED DAVE REEVES, WHO'S THE LOCAL 767 PRESIDENT FOR THE TEAMSTERS.

UPS REACHED OUT TO ME ON SUNDAY TO UPDATE ME ON A SITUATION WHERE A LOCAL DRIVER HERE BY THE NAME OF ANTHONY MONTGOMERY SUCCUMBED TO TO THE HEAT WHILE HE WAS AT WORK. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, WE SEE UPS AND FEDEX AND AMAZON TRUCKS, SMALL PARCEL TRUCKS DELIVERING ALL AROUND TOWN.

WE SEE THEM DRIVING WITH THEIR DOORS OPEN BECAUSE THOSE TRUCKS DON'T HAVE AIR CONDITIONED.

SO I WANT TO REMIND ALL OF US AT A TIME WHERE WE ARE STILL EXPERIENCING UNPRECEDENTED ONLINE ORDERING SINCE THE PANDEMIC, THOSE OF US WHO COME IN CONTACT WITH WITH DELIVERY DRIVERS ON A DAILY BASIS TO IF YOU CAN LEAVE A BOTTLE OF WATER OUT FOR THEM, BE KIND, MAYBE A SNACKS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS REALLY, REALLY HELP.

AND THEY SHOW OUR HEART AS A COMMUNITY.

SO I'D LIKE TO ASK THIS COMMUNITY TO LIFT UP ANTHONY MONTGOMERY IN PRAYER AND HIS FAMILY.

HE'S STILL PRETTY BAD IN THE HOSPITAL.

I'VE HEARD THAT. HE'S STILL IN AND OUT OF CONSCIOUSNESS.

SO LET'S LIFT UP HIM AND HIS HIS FAMILY.

HE DOES HAVE A DOES HAVE A FAMILY.

SO I KNOW THIS IS THIS IS DEVASTATING TO HIM.

SO JUST WANT TO LET HIM AND ALL THE UPS GUYS KNOW THAT WE WILL WE WILL BE PRAYING FOR THEM.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, YESTERDAY MARKS A DATE OF ONE YEAR UNTIL THEIR CURRENT CONTRACT WILL EXPIRE.

AND I KNOW THAT WHEN THEY GO BACK TO THE COMPANY, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR SOME THINGS AND PARTICULARLY BETTER WORKING CONDITIONS LIKE LIKE AIR CONDITIONING IN THEIR TRUCKS. SO AS AS SOMEONE WHO'S ALSO A BLUE COLLAR GUY, SOMETHING I VERY MUCH SUPPORT, THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ME.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M LENDING MY PUBLIC SUPPORT TO THOSE GUYS AND THE CONTRACT FIGHT THAT THAT THEY'RE SURE TO TO ENCOUNTER ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW.

SO WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. AND COUNCILMAN BURT, I JUST WANTED TO SEND A SHOUT OUT TO THE SOUTHEAST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND COMMUNITY.

THEY ARE DOING A GREAT JOB WITH COMING OUT TO THE MEETINGS AND THEY ARE REQUESTING A BIT MORE UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN CITY HAPPENINGS.

AND SO I'M JUST BEEN JUST VERY PLEASED WITH, SEE, THE NUMBER OF SEATS THAT ARE BEING FIELDED, THOSE ASSOCIATION MEETINGS AND THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO START WORKING ON THEIR AREA PLAN.

SO I JUST WANT TO PASS THAT ON TO YOU.

THANK YOU ALL FOR COOPERATING SOUTHEASTERN.

AND THEN I'LL SAY FOR THOSE THAT THAT NEED IT THAT DIDN'T GUYER IS HOSTING THE BACK TO SCHOOL PROGRAM THIS SATURDAY.

YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE.

YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THE TIME IS RIGHT.

BUT PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE STUDENTS, GO IN THERE, PLEASE LOOK AT THAT.

THEN THERE'S ALSO, AS THE THE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT MENTIONED, YAPPY HOUR FOR DOGS.

AND THAT WILL BE HERE AT QUAKERTOWN PARK.

IT'S REALLY NEAT EVENT IF YOU'VE NOT BEEN A LOT OF FUN, SO PLEASE PLAN TO ATTEND THAT.

I THINK SHE SAID THAT'S ON THE FIFTH.

THAT'S FRIDAY. I THINK SO.

AND THEN ALSO THIS SATURDAY, WE HAVE A BUDGET SESSION.

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AND THAT'S AND PEOPLE CAN WATCH ONLINE.

IF IT IS, IT IS IT STREAMED OR POSTED LATER.

OKAY. YEAH. SO IT'S IT'S DREAM.

SO IF YOU HAVE BUDGET QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR WANT TO SEE THAT PROCESS, THAT'S SATURDAY.

SO BY ALL MEANS, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

AND THEN LASTLY, I'LL SAY THIS THURSDAY, I HAD THE PLEASURE TO MEET BRIEFLY WITH WITH MAYOR JOHNSON FROM DALLAS.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO I'M GOING TO MEET WITH HIM THURSDAY AND TELL HIM HOW AWESOME DENTON IS.

AND I'M SURE HE'LL PROBABLY TRY TO TELL ME HOW GREAT DALLAS IS.

AND WE'LL WE'LL END WITH HOW GREAT DENTON IS.

BUT NO, HE'S A GREAT GUY.

GREAT. I'VE GOT TO KNOW HIS FAMILY AND LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING TO KNOW HIM BETTER AND SUPPORTING THEM WHERE WE CAN, BUT ALSO LEARNING FROM THEM.

OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE WORKED IN BOTH SPACES AND SO IT'LL BE GOOD TO KIND OF SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND SHARE WHAT WE'RE DOING AND TRY TO ADVANCE THINGS HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER TIM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CITY MANAGER CAN I GET TO TWO CLARIFICATIONS? ONE, I WANT TO REMIND FOLKS AND I WANT TO HAVE YOU GIVE ME THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE UPCOMING RECEPTION, RECEPTION FOR POLICE CHIEF CANDIDATES.

I BELIEVE THAT'S THURSDAY.

YES, IT'S IT'S THURSDAY EVENING.

THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE THERE BEFORE THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

THE GENERAL PUBLIC WILL GO FROM 7 TO 8.

7 TO 8. YES.

THERE TO COME FROM 7 TO 8 TO MEET AND GREET.

COUNCIL WILL BE THERE FROM SIX TO, LET'S SEE, 630 TO 7.

NO, 6 TO 7, 6 TO 7, 6 TO 7.

AND THEN THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMES FROM 7 TO 8.

OKAY. AND THEN CAN I GET CLARIFICATION IF WE'RE STARTING AT EIGHT OR NINE FOR THE BUDGET MEETING, BUDGET MEETINGS AT 9:00, 9:00, NINE.

NOW IT'S NINE ON THE ON MY STUFF, BUT NINE.

IS IT NINE, CASSIE.

9:00. WELL, YEAH, I'M SORRY, BUT 9:00.

GET ONE EXTRA 30 MINUTES OF SLEEP.

THANK YOU. FOR ME.

IT'LL BE 30 MINUTES DEVOTED TO THE OTHER SINGERS.

OKAY, VERY GOOD.

ALL RIGHT, SO AT 758, WE'LL CONCLUDE TONIGHT'S MEETING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.