Aug 06, 2022 City Council on 2022-08-06 9:00 AM (BUDGET WORKSHOP)

WE'LL BE BACK IN JUST SHORTLY I'M SURE BUT SO BUT IT IS NON SO I WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF AGAIN QUOTE IRAQ

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SO I HOPE EVERYONE'S HAVING A GREAT SATURDAY.

IT IS 901 AND IT'S AUGUST THE.

IS IT SIX? YES.

AND SO WE AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE'LL CALL THE MEETING ORDER.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY'S SATURDAY GEAR.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE COMFORTABLE.

I WENT WITH OUR DANE COUNTY DRIVER, MY BUDDY TOMMY MARTINS, JUST BECAUSE I FIGURE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT 1.8 BILLION, NASCAR IS PROBABLY IN LINE WITH THAT.

THEY SPENT A BUNCH OF MONEY AND A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT FUNDS AND ALL THAT FUN STUFF.

SO AND WE'LL HAVE BREAKS TO TIRE CHANGES, ETC..

SO PIT STOPS, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.

SO IT'S FITTING.

[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the FY 2022-23 City Manager’s Proposed Budget, Capital Improvement Program, and Five-Year Financial Forecast. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 8 hours]]

SO YOU, YOU GIVEN A GUIDED TOUR AND I HAVE TO SAY.

GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

UNFORTUNATELY, KASEY IS SICK TODAY, SO I'M STEPPING IN FOR YOU TO HAVE TO GO WITH ME FOR THE NEXT FEW HOURS.

BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO THE BUDGET, I WANT TO START OFF BY THANKING KASEY AND ALL THE ENTIRE FINANCE STAFF AND EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE TO GET US TO THIS POINT.

WE'LL SEE A CALENDAR IN A SECOND AND YOU'LL SEE ALL THE STEPS ALONG THE WAY.

OBVIOUSLY, ALL OF OUR DIRECTORS, ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS AND ALL THE WORK THAT WE DO.

SO, YEAH, WE'RE READY TO HAVE A GREAT CONVERSATION.

YEAH, I'LL DRIVE IT.

ALL RIGHT. SO HERE'S HERE'S THE OUTLINE FOR TODAY.

WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE BUDGET STRUCTURE, JUST KIND OF SOME SOME BACKGROUND.

SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS AS WE START TO GET INTO THE DETAIL OF OVER BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET, OUR ASSUMPTIONS AND REALLY FOCUS ON THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE FIRST FEW SLIDES, LOOK AT OUR TAX RATE ASSUMPTIONS, BUDGET ASSUMPTIONS, AND THEN HAVE THE GOOD CONVERSATIONS ON WHAT SUPPLEMENTALS WE HAVE FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND SOME THOSE DECISION POINTS.

AND WE'LL LOOK AT THE INTERNAL SERVICE AND SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS.

THOSE WILL BE FUNDS YOU HAVEN'T SEEN YET TO THIS POINT.

SO WE'LL HAVE SOME DETAILED DISCUSSION ON THOSE AS WE GET TO THE UTILITY BUDGETS AND THE CAPITAL BUDGET.

YOU'VE SEEN THOSE NUMEROUS TIMES.

WE'VE HAD THE UTILITY BUDGETS FROM THE COUNCIL TWO OR THREE TIMES.

WE HAD A VERY GOOD CONVERSATION ON THE CAPITAL BUDGET AND AS YOU RECALL, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A CAPITAL CITY BUDGET.

FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS YEAR, I PUT A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON HAVING A LOT MORE STRUCTURE AND DETAIL WITH OUR CAPITAL BUDGET.

I'LL ALSO USE THIS TIME TO SAY THIS PROCESS IS DIFFERENT.

THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME TO HAVE A SATURDAY BUDGET WORKSHOP.

AND WE DID NOT HAVE ALL THOSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE DEPARTMENT PRESENTATIONS THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER.

SO IT CLEARED UP WITH WORK SESSIONS.

BUT IT ALSO MEANS THERE'S A LOT TO GO OVER TODAY IN THE PRESENTATION ITSELF.

I WILL NOT HIT ON EVERY DEPARTMENT.

I'M GOING TO HIT ON SOME DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE SPECIFIC SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS, BUT WE HAVE ALL OF OUR DIRECTORS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

SO AS I GET TO THE NATURAL STOPPING POINTS, AS WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE EVENING, IT'S NOT A DEPARTMENT THAT I PRESENTED UP HERE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY BUDGET RELATED QUESTIONS AND OPERATIONS RELATED QUESTIONS, PLEASE ASK THEM.

THE DIRECTORS ARE HERE.

SO JUST WITH THE PROCESS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THIS YEAR, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S OPEN FOR EVERYBODY.

WHAT'S THE PROCESS GOING TO BE FOR QUESTIONS? ARE YOU GOING TO SPEND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME AND THEN THERE'S NATURAL STOPS IN THE PRESENTATION PRETTY FREQUENTLY.

SO I THINK IF THE MAYOR FINALLY THAT I CAN JUST STOP WHEN THOSE COME UP AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION.

YEAH, NO. AND I THINK ALSO TO THAT POINT, IF THERE'S SOMETHING KIND OF SLIDE SPECIFIC, MAYBE YOU KIND OF SAY DARN NEAR THAT PAGE AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO IT OR I'LL DEFER TO WHOEVER IS PRESENTING.

IF THERE'S IF THE ANSWERS COMING UP.

HEY, WE'LL GO INTO THAT IN DETAIL AT THIS PHASE.

BUT BUT I DO WANT THE QUESTIONS TO BE NOTED LIVE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE THE PRESENTER DOESN'T HAVE TO GO BACK SLIDES, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO, YEAH, WE COULD WORK.

I DON'T WANT TO STOP IT. YEAH.

YEAH. SO IT'S EITHER LIKE A DOG YEAR OR HEY, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS GO FURTHER OR THAT SORT OF THINGS, BUT I'LL DEFER TO MY PEERS AND STAFF ON KIND OF WHAT'S COMING.

SURE. I THINK ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE DEPARTMENT METRICS UP THERE, IT'S ALL GOING TO BE EASIER TO TALK ABOUT THE METRICS WHEN YOU SEE THEM ON THE PAGE.

SO HERE'S OUR BUDGET CALENDAR.

YOU CAN SEE ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS BUDGET UP TO TODAY, REALLY STARTED IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

MOST OF THAT IS INTERNAL PROCESSES THAT WE HAVE WITH DEPARTMENTS, WITH FINANCE AND THEN OUR CITY MANAGER OFFICE INVOLVEMENT AS WELL.

WE'VE GOT WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL ON THE CIP, ON ON THE UTILITY BUDGETS, AND THEN ON SOME OF THOSE SPECIAL CONVERSATIONS LIKE THE DATA CENTER REVENUE, THE CATALYST FUND, SUSTAINABILITY FUND, PIECES LIKE THAT IN ADVANCE OF TODAY'S WORKSHOP.

THIS IS WHERE A. STARTS THE PROCESS WITH COUNCIL.

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WE HAVE THE BUDGET WORKSHOP TODAY.

WE STILL HAVE ALL THE WAY UNTIL THE END OF SEPTEMBER AS TO GET THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS.

AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AS WE'LL SEE NUMEROUS TIMES IN THE PRESENTATION, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE CERTIFIED ESTIMATES RIGHT NOW, NOT A CERTIFIED TOTAL FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, IT IS A MOVING TARGET THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

SO NATURALLY, THERE'S GOING TO THERE WILL BE MORE CONVERSATIONS AS WE GO GO ALONG.

I CAN GUARANTEE I CAN SAFELY SAY THAT THE TAX RATE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW VERY LIKELY WILL CHANGE AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT VALUES WE'RE DEALING WITH.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME OF THAT UNCERTAINTY IN THE PRESENTATION.

BUT I THINK WE'VE SET IT UP SO THAT WE HAVE ASSUMPTIONS AND WE CAN HAVE THOSE POLICY CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ALL AS WE GO.

SO WE AS WE'VE DONE THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS, WE WANT TO MAKE WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT OUR BUDGET IS TIED TO KEY FOCUS AREAS THAT COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED AND SHOW HOW, WHERE, HOW THE FUNDS ARE BEING SPENT ALIGNED TO THE KEY FOCUS AREAS.

I ALWAYS SAY OUR BUDGET TRULY IS A POLICY DOCUMENT.

IT REFLECTS THE VALUES OF THE CITY AND IT REFLECTS THE INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH.

SO THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET WE HAVE OUR SUPPLEMENTALS TIED TO OUR KEY FOCUS AREAS AND REALLY TO FRAME THE DECISION AROUND THOSE, THOSE ARE THE KEY FOCUS AREAS THAT WE DEVELOPED AT THE COUNCIL RETREAT ONLY A FEW MONTHS AGO.

YOU CAN SEE THOSE THERE. WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE NUMEROUS TIMES.

WE HAVE GREAT ARTWORK TO GO ALONG WITH IT, BUT AS AN EXAMPLE, WE WANTED TO SHOW ON THE KEY FOCUS AREAS YOU JUST SAW IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, IT WAS INITIATIVES, SOME OF THOSE THOSE PROGRAMS THAT HAVE DIRECT IMPACT TO THAT FROM SHOWING THAT WE HAVE COMPETITIVE PAY AND BENEFITS.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT OUR COLLEAGUE INCREASES OUR MERIT INCREASES THAT WE HAVE HAVING A COMPREHENSIVE CIP PLAN THAT'S THAT'S THOUGHTFUL AND PREPARES US FOR SUCCESS.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC VITALITY, OUR ALTERNATIVE FUNDING FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ENHANCING THE QUALITY OF OUR SERVICES AND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, AND THEN DEDICATING THOSE RESOURCES TO SUSTAINABILITY.

WE HAVE OUR OPERATING SUSTAINABLE SUSTAINABILITY BUDGETS, BUT ALSO OUR CONTINUED DEDICATION TO THE SUSTAINABILITY FUND AND WORK IT THROUGH THE FRAMEWORK COMMITTEE ON THAT.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL GET INTO THE FINANCES NOW AND REALLY FOCUS ON THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE NEXT NUMBER OF SLIDES.

MOST OF YOU ALL OF YOU ALL AWARE OF THIS.

BUT I ALWAYS LIKE TO JUST START OFF WITH WHAT IS WHAT MAKES UP THE TAX RATE.

THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS OF OUR TAX RATE.

ONE IS THE RATE WHICH PAYS FOR OPERATIONS, PAYS FOR SALARIES, MAINLY 70% OF OUR GENERAL FUND AND 60, 70% OF OUR GENERAL FUND IS SALARIES. AND THE INTERNAL TAX RATE IS ABOUT 30 TO 40% OF OUR TOTAL GENERAL FUND.

SALES TAXES IS OUR SECOND BIGGEST SOURCE OF REVENUE.

AS YOU SEE, THAT'S REALLY THERE.

JUST PAY FOR THE BASICS OF WHAT WHAT GOVERNMENT DOES ARE INDUSTRY OR THAT SERVICE RATE PAYS FOR ALL OF THE DEBT THAT WE'VE TAKEN OUT FROM GENERAL GOVERNMENT REVENUE.

THIS COULD BE THROUGH BOND ELECTIONS, THROUGH CEOS, THROUGH PROJECTS THAT WE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH.

SO THAT'S THAT RATE IS THERE'S NOT MUCH CONVERSATION ON THAT RATE FOR WHAT IT IS NEXT YEAR THAT'S BASED ON THE DEBT SERVICE THAT WE HAVE TO PAY.

THOSE ARE THE LONG TERM DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE WHEN WE ISSUE DEBT AND WE GO FORWARD WITH PROJECTS.

THAT'S WHAT IMPACTS THAT RATE.

AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE BOND ELECTIONS LATER AND THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE HAD THE BOND ELECTION IN 2019, WE ANTICIPATED OUR DEBT SERVICE RATE TO GO UP THREE AND ONE HALF CENTS BASED ON OUR ASSUMPTIONS OR EXPERIENCE IN 19% OF GROWTH THIS YEAR, 11% LAST YEAR.

WE'RE NOT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO SEE OUR DEBT SERVICE RATE GOING DOWN THIS YEAR AS OPPOSED TO THOSE INCREASES.

SO THAT'S JUST NATURAL WHEN YOU HAVE ADDED INCREASES TO THAT EXTENT.

SO THERE'S WILL WE WILL SHOW THESE NUMBERS AS WE GO FORWARD, BUT WE HAVE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE.

SO IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS SINCE I WAS A FINANCE DIRECTOR.

I STILL CALL THEM THE EFFECTIVE RATE, BUT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS THAT ESSENTIALLY THAT RATE THAT BRINGS YOU THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE FROM YOUR EXISTING RESIDENCE, EXCLUDING NEW VALUE? WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE TAX RATE TO DO THAT? AND THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY LAW WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO THE VOTERS FOR APPROVAL.

THAT THAT'S THE WAY THAT'S CALCULATED.

VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS 3% ESSENTIALLY AT A HIGH IT'S MORE COMPLICATED BUT 3% OVER WHAT YOUR WHAT YOUR CURRENT REVENUE YOU BRING IS BRING IN NOW WOULD BE ON THE SIDE WHAT THAT TAX RATE IS.

BUT THERE'S ALSO AN INCREMENT EVERY YEAR THAT YOU DON'T USE THAT 3% IT HOLDS OVER AND YOU CAN USE IT IN THE NEXT YEARS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T USED THAT FOR THE ENTIRETY SINCE THAT WELL WAS SB TWO IS PUT INTO PLACE A FEW YEARS AGO.

YOU'LL SEE OUR VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS VERY HIGH BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF EXCESS EQUIPMENT, WHICH GOT US TO THAT POINT.

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AS WE TALK ABOUT THAT. YOU'LL SEE THIS AS WE GO ALONG, AS WE TALK ABOUT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, NO NEW REVENUE RAISES, TALKING ABOUT TOTAL REVENUE VERSUS THE AMOUNT OF PRESENT VALUE DOLLARS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IN TODAY VERSUS LAST YEAR.

IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR INFLATION.

AND SO THIS IS NOT NEWS TO ANYBODY.

BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT INFLATION HAS BEEN VERY HIGH FOR THE LAST NUMBER OF MONTHS, 9% IN JUNE.

AND SO THAT'S A REALITY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN OUR BUDGET FROM REGULAR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONAL EXPENSES TO FUEL EXPENSES, WHICH OBVIOUSLY HAS HAD EVEN HIGHER INFLATION.

IT'S JUST A REALITY THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AS WE START TO FORECAST IN BUDGET FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

WE'RE ALSO WE ALL KNOW THAT THE GROWTH IS COMING AND THIS IS ACCOUNTING FOR SIP.

IT'S ACCOUNTED FOR IN OUR OPERATIONS AS WE LOOK AT NEW FIRE STATIONS, AS WE LOOK AT KEEPING OUR POLICE FORCE UP TO DATE WITH THE GROWTH IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO PLAN FOR. AND YOU SEE THAT IN THE BUDGET AS WELL.

WHAT DOES THAT FORECAST? WHAT DOES THAT BASED ON? I MEAN, IS THAT FROM COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS OR A CENSUS OR WHAT'S THAT 22% ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THE PLANNING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THOSE. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, LET'S GET SO WE'LL START TO GET IN ON THE EXPENSE SIDE.

HERE ARE OUR ASSUMPTIONS RIGHT NOW FOR COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS.

WHAT WE'VE DONE ON SALARIES IS WE HAVE A 3% COLA BUILT IN THE BUDGET.

SO THAT'S A 3% INCREASE FOR ALL EMPLOYEES ACROSS THE CITY OUTSIDE OF THOSE THAT HAVE OTHER AGREEMENTS LIKE OR PAY PLANS LIKE POLICE, FIRE. SOME OF OUR DKNY EMPLOYEES.

SO 3% FOR EVERYONE TO THEIR BASE PAY.

AND WE ALSO HAVE A 2% MERIT INCREASE, A ONE TIME INCREASE FOR A ONE TIME PAYMENT FOR ALL EMPLOYEES THAT WILL GO OUT EARLY IN THE FISCAL YEAR IN 2022. SO 3% TO THE BASE AND A 2% ONE TIME PAYMENT TO EVERYONE.

WHAT IS WE ALSO HAVE AND WE SAY WE SHOW THE COMPENSATION STUDY HERE.

WE'RE ALSO DOING A FULL COMPENSATION STUDY ACROSS THE CITY WHICH WE ANTICIPATE WILL INCREASE AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE 2% BUDGETED IN EACH OF OUR FUNDS IN ANTICIPATION OF THE COMPENSATION STUDY.

THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT SOME EMPLOYEES DIFFERENTLY, OBVIOUSLY.

SO WE'LL SEE MORE OF THAT 2% OR LESS JUST BASED ON THE OUTCOME OF THE COMPENSATION STUDY.

BUT WE DO WANT TO SHOW THAT WE'RE DOING 3% COLA, 2% ONE TIME AND THEN 2% FOR THE COMPENSATION STUDY.

YEAH. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE 2% MERIT EVERYONE IS GETTING THAT THE 2% MERIT.

EVERYONE SHOULD GET SOME EVERYONE SHOULD GET SOME PORTION OF IT.

BUT IT IS GOING TO BE BASED ON MERIT.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON PERFORMANCE.

SO THAT COULD VARY.

IT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT SOMEONE GETS ZERO IF, IF, IF THAT'S THE WAY IT COMES OUT.

BUT IT'S A 2% BUCKET ESSENTIALLY OF 2% INCREASE IN HOW MUCH THE CITY IS PAYING OUT, NOT NECESSARILY 2% INCREASE TO EVERY INDIVIDUAL.

SO, YES, ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH. THAT LAST PART CONFUSED ME.

LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

IS IT IS IT 2% PER INDIVIDUAL OR A CEILING OF 2% PER INDIVIDUAL? OR IT IS IN OUR ENTIRE BUDGET UP TO 2% THAT THEN CAN BE PASSED INDIVIDUALLY AS MERIT WOULD INDICATE.

YEAH. SO IT'S A 3% GOAL IS GOING TO EVERYBODY, RIGHT.

YES. THE 2% BASICALLY THINK OF IT AS A 2% BUCKET OF MONEY.

AND THEN BASED ON THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE, IT COULD VARY.

OKAY, I GOT YOU BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY THINKING ABOUT THE TOTAL.

THANK YOU. HEALTH INSURANCE.

WE HAVE NO CHANGE TO OUR CITY CONTRIBUTIONS OR EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS RIGHT NOW.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUE TO POINT OUT, BECAUSE THIS IS NUMEROUS YEARS, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN YEARS RUNNING, THAT WE HAVE ANY INCREASES TO OUR HEALTH INSURANCE RATES, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY WE'RE A SELF-FUNDED PLAN, BUT ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU COMPARE US TO OTHER ENTITIES IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, THAT'S A THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT FOR OUR EMPLOYEES ON RETIREMENT.

OUR TEAM, OUR RATE IS INCREASING, GOING UP TO THE 18.15% FROM 16 FROM 17.65.

OUR FIRE PENSION RATE REMAINS AT 18 AND A HALF PERCENT.

THAT IS UNDER THE REQUIRED RATE BASED ON OUR ACTUARIAL STUDY.

BUT WE'VE MADE THIS WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE TO THE PENSION TO STAY AT THAT 18 AND A HALF PERCENT.

AS WE GET TO 100% FUNDED, IT WILL VARY.

THE PENSION FUND IS DOING VERY WELL RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE GOING TO BRING THE RECENTLY UPDATED ACTUARIAL STUDY TO COUNCIL SOON, GETTING VERY CLOSE TO THAT 100% FUNDING, BUT ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL COMMITMENT AS WE'VE GONE FORWARD HAS HELPED FUND QUITE A BIT.

ALL RIGHT. NOW WE GET INTO THE ASSUMPTIONS FOR THE GENERAL FUND.

SO THE ASSESSED VALUES.

I ALREADY TOUCHED ON THE FACT THAT IT'S THE CERTIFIED ESTIMATE AND WE HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNSEL AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT IN THE NEXT SLIDE.

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SO OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS THE BIGGEST INCREASE WE EXPERIENCED IN THE CITY.

AND IT'S NOT I DON'T THINK IT'S A SURPRISE TO ANYONE WITH THE INCREASES WE'RE SEEING ACROSS THE AREA, ACROSS THE STATE.

SO IN FY 23, 24, IN THE FUTURE, WE ASSUME THAT THE TAX RATE IS GOING TO CORRESPOND TO THE INCREASES.

SO AS WE SHOW A FIVE YEAR PLAN, THESE WILL BE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

SO WE ARE ASSUMING THAT THE TAX RATE WILL DECREASE AS WE HAVE THE ABS CONTINUE TO INCREASE.

OUR TOTAL PROPOSED RATE RIGHT NOW IS 55.5 CENTS, WHICH IS A 1% ONE $0.01 DECREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

AND WE'LL HAVE SOME LATER SLIDES THAT GET INTO TO SOME MORE DETAIL ON THAT.

ON SALES TAX, WE ARE REVISED ESTIMATE FOR FY 22 IS SIGNIFICANTLY OVER OUR BUDGET AS WE REMAIN CONSERVATIVE THROUGH COVID LAST YEAR WITH OUR BUDGET AND OUR SALES TAX HAS EXCEEDED IT EVERY SINGLE MONTH ALONG THE WAY.

SO WE HAVE A REVISED ESTIMATE IS FORECASTING ESSENTIALLY WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH THE INCREASED GROWTH, WE ARE PROJECTING 5% RIGHT NOW OVER OUR ESTIMATE. WE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF INTERNAL DISCUSSION ON THAT.

I THINK IT WAS A GOOD THOUGHT TO HAVE IT THAT INCREASE HIGHER BUT WE'RE TRYING TO STAY AS CONSERVATIVE AS POSSIBLE WITH SALES TAX, UNDERSTANDING THE POSSIBILITY OF A RECESSION AND JUST THE VOLATILITY THAT COMES WITH SALES TAX.

AND YOU HAVE A RECESSION THAT IS THE CITY SALES TAX IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST THE FIRST NUMBER THAT WE SEE GO DOWN.

SO WE ARE STAYING CONSERVATIVE RIGHT NOW IN 5%.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD CHANGE AS WE'RE LOOKING AT PROPERTY TAXES AND SALES TAX EVEN OVER THE NEXT MONTH AND A HALF.

AND IF I 22, 23 AND BEYOND, AS YOU LOOK AT THE FIVE YEAR FORECAST, WE ALWAYS JUST HAVE A BASELINE OF 3% TO TRY TO TRY TO STAY CONSERVATIVE AS WELL.

ON THE ROI, WE WE ARE MAINTAINING THE 6% ROI FROM THE ELECTRIC FUND THAT WAS THREE AND A HALF PERCENT A FEW YEARS AGO.

WE CHANGED IT TO 6% INITIALLY AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSIONS.

SO THIS WILL TAKE AN ACTION FROM COUNCIL AS WE GO FORWARD IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE'LL BRING BACK AND THIS IS A GOOD PROCESS TO HAVE ANYWAY WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE COUNCIL THROUGH OUR ALLY AND HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AND TRANSPARENTLY HAVE A DISCUSSION OF WHAT THOSE ARE FROM THE FROM THE UTILITIES.

WE'LL BRING THAT FORWARD WITH COUNCIL BASED ON THIS BUDGET AND UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON CODIFYING THAT 6% FROM THE ELECTRIC FUND MOVING FORWARD AND YOU'LL SEE THE REASONS FOR THAT.

AS WE LOOK AT THE TOTAL GENERAL FUND FORECAST ON FRANCHISE FEES, WE'RE CONTINUING TO DEVOTE 80% OF THOSE TO THE STREET IMPROVEMENT FUND FOR BOTH OPERATIONS AND FOR CAPITAL, AND THAT IS NOW UP TO 15.1 MILLION, AN INCREASE OF 600,000.

SO HERE'S THE SALES TAX HISTORY THAT WE TOUCHED ON.

YOU CAN SEE THOSE INCREASES.

I THINK OBVIOUSLY JUST LOOK AT THE LOOK AT THE BARS THERE.

YOU CAN SEE OUR 22 BUDGET WAS JUST SLIGHTLY ABOVE WHERE WE ENDED 21 AND IT JUST CAME IN DRASTICALLY OVER WHERE WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.

WE'RE DOING 5% ON TOP OF THAT.

SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE INCREASES ALONG THE WAY REALLY CONSISTENTLY SINCE 2008.

SO GET INTO SOME MORE DETAIL ON OUR ASSESSED VALUE.

YOU CAN SEE OUR FINAL VALUE NOW IS UP TO 17, 17 BILLION BASED ON THE CERTIFIED ESTIMATE.

THAT'S AT SEVEN 19% INCREASE OVER THE PREVIOUS OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT VALUE CHANGE, WHICH IS 2.7, 2.7, TOTAL INCREASE IN VALUE, 562 MILLION OF THAT IS NEW VALUE WITH THE REST BEING APPRECIATION FROM EXISTING PROPERTIES THAT 562 BILLION OR MILLION IS WHAT, AS WE LOOK AT THAT, NO NEW REVENUE RATE.

THAT'S THAT PIECE THAT GETS EXCLUDED FROM REVENUE RATE AND THAT HELPS US TO MAINTAIN OUR REVENUES GOING FORWARD.

WE CONTINUE TO POINT THIS OUT.

IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW, BUT WE AT LEAST ARE EXCLUDING THOSE FROZEN VALUES FROM THE OVER 65 FREEZE AND OUR AVERAGE HOME ASSET VALUE HAS INCREASED FROM 275 TO NOW.

WE ARE NOW NORTH OF 300.

WE'RE AT 370,000 FOR THE AVERAGE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL VALUE.

SO HERE, HERE YOU CAN SEE THE ASSESSED VALUE HISTORY.

OBVIOUSLY SINCE 2014, IT'S BEEN CONSISTENT GROWTH WITH WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 2020 REALLY AS A RESULT OF COVID IN THAT PROCESS, BUT JUST CONSTANT GROWTH AS WE'VE GONE FORWARD.

SO HERE'S WHAT WE CAN GIVE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THE CERTIFIED ESTIMATE AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR US AS WE START TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS MOVING FORWARD.

WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS AT THE COUNCIL MEETING LAST WEEK ABOUT KIND OF THE HISTORY WITH THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S TWO, TWO, TWO YEARS HERE THAT STICK OUT AS WE GO FORWARD.

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AND THAT'S WHEN WE GET THAT CERTIFIED ESTIMATE IN FY 23 THIS YEAR OR THIS BUDGET THAT WE'RE PREPARING FOR IN FY 21.

WE DID NOT HAVE A CERTIFIED VALUE.

WE ONLY HAD A CERTIFIED ESTIMATE AT 21.

IT WAS WE WERE IN WORSE SHAPE.

WE REALLY HAD 41% OF THE VALUE.

WE HAD 41% OF THE VALUES OUTSTANDING AT THAT TIME.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 11%, SO BETTER THAN IT WAS IN 21, BUT OBVIOUSLY ADDS AN ADDITIONAL LAYER OF UNCERTAINTY.

AND WE'LL TALK IN THE NEXT SLIDE ABOUT HOW WE'RE DOING WITH THAT.

MY QUESTION MAY BE ANSWERED ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

THAT'S NOT ALL IT IS.

OF THAT 11%, IT'S ABOUT 50, ABOUT 50, 5050 ON BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL.

HALF OF THAT 11% IS BUSINESS.

HALF IS RESIDENTIAL. SO THE THE AMOUNT THAT'S IN PROTEST IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET PRESENTATION BASED UPON YOUR CERTIFIED VALUES.

THIS NEXT SLIDE, I'M GOING TO SHOW THAT YOUR SEGWAY WAS.

SO WE FOR BUDGET PURPOSES, WE HAD TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION ON THAT 11%.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO JUST EXCLUDE IT.

SOME OF THAT 11% COMING BACK IS WILL BE INCLUDED IN THIS VALUE.

SO WE HAD TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION ON WHAT THAT WOULD BE.

IN 2018.

IN 2021, TWO YEARS AGO, THAT 41%.

IT CAME IN ABOUT 75%, ABOUT 75% OF OUR ASSESSMENT OF THE ASSESSMENT ON THOSE OUTSTANDING VALUES CAME BACK TO US THUS FAR THIS YEAR.

THAT NUMBER IS HIGHER.

IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE HISTORY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER 80%.

SO FOR RIGHT NOW IN OUR PROPOSED BUDGET, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS SAID AT 11%, WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME 80% COMES BACK TO US.

THIS IS WHERE THE BIGGEST LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY THAT WE HAVE IN OUR REVENUES LIES.

SO WE WANTED TO BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT OUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE AND WHAT THAT COULD MEAN IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

SO YOU CAN SEE OUR WE HAVE HERE BROKEN OUT CERTIFIED VALUE AT 15.5 BILLION IS WHAT IT IS THAT'S BEEN CERTIFIED.

THE 1.3 TO 1.6 MILLION THAT WE'RE BUILDING, THE 1.8 TOTAL UNDER REVIEW IS WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET FROM THAT 1.8.

THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT YOU HAVE ASSUMES THAT WE'RE GONNA GET 80% OF THAT BUT 1.46 BILLION.

AND THAT GETS US THE REVENUE THAT YOU'LL SEE AS WE LOOK AT THE FORECAST AND GO FORWARD.

IF THAT WERE TO COME IN BACK AT THAT 75% NUMBER THAT WE HAD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THAT WOULD BE A 300,000 LOSS IN REVENUE IF IT CAME IN AT 85%.

THAT WOULD BE A 300,000 INCREASE IN REVENUE.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL START TALKING TALKING TAX RATE.

SO I ALREADY MENTIONED A PROPOSED TAX RATE IS $0.55, WHICH IS A $0.01 DECREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR ROUGHLY.

THAT'S A 1%.

THAT'S A DECREASE ON THE ON THE DEBT SERVICE SIDE, ESSENTIALLY KEEPING OUR RATE STABLE.

AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IN AN ADDITIONAL SIZE TO SAY, WELL, WE WANT TO BE PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT THE TAX RATE THAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW, JUST BASED ON THE MID-YEAR ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE MADE AND OUR BASELINE CHANGES MID YEAR, IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD SEVEN FIREFIGHTER POSITIONS.

WE INCREASED OUR PAY FOR OUR PARKS SEASONAL POSITIONS, WHICH WAS A BIG HELP AND ACTUALLY GETTING US TO OPEN UP OUR FACILITIES AND HAVE THINGS RUNNING LIKE OTHER IN WAYS THAT OTHER CITIES JUST WEREN'T ABLE TO.

SO WE ALSO WHEN WE SAY BASELINE, WE'RE INCLUDING THOSE COLA INCREASES IN THE COMPENSATION SIDE, JUST THOSE ALONE WITHOUT THE SUPPLEMENTALS THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, WOULD REQUIRE A 52.9% TAX RATE THAT'S ABOVE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE.

SO IN PREVIOUS YEARS WE'VE BEEN VERY FOCUSED ON THE REVENUE RATE.

HAS THAT AS A TARGET OR AT LEAST A CONVERSATION STARTER THIS YEAR? WE JUST GO INTO THE BUDGET WITHOUT HAVING THAT AS A TARGET AND WE'LL SHOW SOME MORE NUMBERS TO GO ALONG WITH THAT.

SO THIS WILL THIS WILL HELP FRAME SOME OF WHAT I JUST SAID AND THEN SEGWAY US TO SUPPLEMENTALS AND START TALKING ABOUT SOME CHANGES TO THE BUDGET AT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IF WE'RE AT $0.51, GIVEN THE BASELINES THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE MID-YEAR CHANGES WE'VE HAD AND BASED ON ALSO INFLATION, RIGHT? IT'S FUEL, IT'S EVERYTHING THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT.

WE WOULD BE AT A $2.6 MILLION DEFICIT IN THE GENERAL.

IF WE IF WE DID NOT WANT TO FUND ANY OF THE SUPPLEMENTALS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES AND ONLY HAVE THE BASELINE AND MIDYEAR ADJUSTMENTS, WE WOULD BE RIGHT AT A

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WE KIND OF TEAR OFF OUR DISCUSSIONS ON SUPPLEMENTALS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT POLICY CONVERSATION.

SO THIS IS JUST IN ADVANCE OF THAT.

WHEN YOU SEE THE SUPPLEMENTALS, IF WE WERE GOING TO DO ONLY TIER ONE, IT'D BE A 54% TAX RATE WITH A BALANCED BUDGET.

IF WE ONLY DID TIER TWO, IT'D BE 54 AND ONE HALF CENTS.

AND THEN TIER THREE IS WHAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS 55.5.

SO WE'LL GET INTO THE SUPPLEMENTALS SHORTLY.

BUT JUST TO FRAME SOME OF THAT CONVERSATION AS WE AS WE GET THERE.

SO WE'VE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT EVERY YEAR WITH WHAT OUR TAX RATE MEANS.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE TAX RATE, IT GOES ALONG WITH THE APPRAISAL, WITH WHAT OUR APPRAISALS ARE.

WE'VE NEVER COME FORWARD AND TRY TO ONLY TALK ABOUT THE TAX RATE IN ISOLATION.

SO WE ALWAYS WANT TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS WE CAN ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS ON THE AVERAGE TAX BILL.

I THINK THERE IS SOME NUANCE TO THE AVERAGE TAX BILL THAT I'LL TOUCH ON, BUT THIS DOES REFLECT THE CURRENT TAX RATE, PROPOSED TAX RATE AND THE VALUES THAT WE HAVE AN INCREASE IN ABOUT $150 PER YEAR TO THE AVERAGE TO THE AVERAGE AVERAGE RESIDENT BASED ON AVERAGE HOME VALUE.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN EVERYONE'S GOING TO PAY $150 MORE.

IN FACT, MOST PEOPLE WILL PAY LESS THAN 150 BECAUSE OUR AVERAGE VALUE IS LOWER, OUR MEDIAN VALUES LOWER THAN OUR AVERAGE VALUES.

SO THAT'S GOING TO VARY.

SOME WILL PAY MORE.

MANY WILL PAY LESS THAN $150 MORE THAN THEIR AVERAGE TAX BILL.

BUT WE OUGHT TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S JUST THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER WITH THE PROPOSED TAX RATE THAT WE HAVE.

SO NOW WE'LL START LOOKING AT THE GENERAL FUND FORECAST AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT SPECIFICS IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES SO YOU CAN SEE HOW OUR PROPERTY TAXES INCREASED PROPERTY TAX REVENUE AND SALES TAX REVENUE INCREASES.

BASED ON THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE'VE LAID OUT OVER OVER THE PREVIOUS FEW SLIDES.

WE ALSO HAVE A LARGE GROUPING THERE OF OTHER REVENUES, OBVIOUSLY IN MORE DETAIL IN YOUR BUDGET BOOK AND WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ON OTHER REVENUES WITH THAT.

GOOD. AND THAT INCLUDES OUR LIVE FROM OUR UTILITY FUNDS, OBVIOUSLY, BUT ALSO INCLUDES OUR PLANNING, BUILDING INSPECTION FEES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT AS WE GO ALONG.

THAT AS A REMINDER FROM A FEW YEARS AGO, WE NOW HAVE OUR PLANNING AND BUILDING INSPECTION FEES AT 100% RECOVERY.

SO THOSE ARE DIRECTLY TIED TO OUR EXPENSES.

AND WE HAVE CALLED OUT THE DATA CENTER REVENUE HERE.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT COUNCIL IN THE PAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS.

WE WANT TO WE HAD THE CONVERSATIONS, THE JUSTIFICATION FOR WHY WE FEEL LIKE THOSE SHOULD BE DEDICATED FOR ONE TIME RESOURCES GIVEN THE UNCERTAINTY AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

BUT IT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND.

SO YOU SEE THE 13.9 MILLION THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR DATA CENTER REVENUE, THAT'S FROM THE RHI AND THE FRANCHISE FEES FROM DKNY RELATED TO THE DATA CENTERS.

AND THEN ON THE EXPENSE SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE CORRESPONDING ONE TIME EXPENSES FOR DATA CENTER REVENUE FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

I WOULDN'T PAY TOO MUCH ATTENTION TO THE OUT YEARS ON THOSE LINES, REALLY JUST PLACEHOLDERS.

WE'LL HAVE THOSE POLICY CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL EVERY YEAR.

WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW A NETTING OUT FOR RIGHT NOW ON THE EXPENSE SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE PERSONNEL INCREASES FROM OUR 22 FORECAST FOR FY 23 PROPOSE THAT THAT ENCOMPASS THOSE MID-YEAR CHANGES THAT WE'VE HAD AND THE THE COST OF LIVING INCREASES AND THE MERIT INCREASES AND THE COMPENSATION STUDY AS WELL.

YOU SEE THE MAINTENANCE OPERATION INCREASES.

A LOT OF THAT IS DRIVEN BY JUST COST INFLATION AND THE INCREASED COST WITH MANY OF THOSE EXPENSES ARE TRANSFERS REALLY FOR OUR INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT, NOT TOO MUCH OF AN INCREASE THERE.

AND THEN WE HAD OUR MID-YEAR BUDGET AMENDMENTS AND THEN A ONE TIME SUPPLEMENTAL PACKAGE FROM FY 22 THAT WILL SHOW HERE, I THINK MAYBE IN THE NEXT SLIDE, WE ARE BUDGETED RIGHT NOW WITH OUR INCREASED SALES TAX TO HAVE A SURPLUS, AS YOU CAN SEE, IN THE GENERAL FUND.

SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ONE TIME SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS THAT CAME THROUGH REPORT CAME FORWARD WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS THAT WITH THE EXCESS THAT WE HAD THIS YEAR.

SO IT WAS MOST APPROPRIATE TO FUND THOSE ONE TIME FROM FY 20 TO 2023.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ON THE ONE TIME, ONE TIME TRANSFERS 22 MILLION, THAT IS SHOWING UP IN THE OTHER REVENUE LINE IN THE REVENUES, CORRECT. IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE'RE TRANSFERRING IN THAT.

SO YEAH. SO I'M GOING TO GO MORE INTO THAT AS WELL.

I CAN ANSWER IT RIGHT NOW.

SO THE TRENDS, YEAH, WE HAVE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS WE HAVE AND SO THOSE ARE GOING OUT.

A LOT OF THOSE ARE GOING OUT TO INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS TO PAY FOR SERVICES.

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SAME ANDREWS OFFICE FINANCE.

WE ALSO CHARGE OUR TIME OUT, SAY DEPARTMENTS TO FUNDS AS WELL.

SO THERE IS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH WITH THIS.

BUT IS THAT OTHER REVENUE OR IS THAT ACTUALLY HARD DOLLARS COMING IN OR IS THAT REPRESENTATIVE OF SOME OF THE TRANSFER? KIND OF BECAUSE IF I'M TRANSFERRING MONEY FROM MY DEPARTMENT TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THAT'S GOING TO SHOW ME AS AN EXPENSE.

IT'S GOING TO SHOW THE MANAGER'S OFFICE AS A REVENUE NEW UNDERSTANDING.

IS THAT CORRECT? IF YOU'RE IF I'M TRANSFERRING MONEY INTERNAL SERVICE FUND TO YOUR DEPARTMENT, MAYBE IT'S EASIER TO SAY YOU'RE THE SOLID WASTE FUND AND YOU'RE TRANSFERRING MONEY TO GENERAL FUND FOR FINANCE THAT IS SHOWN AS A REVENUE.

AND IT'S REAL MONEY. I MEAN, IT'S MONEY THAT'S TRANSFERRED.

SORRY, BRIAN, FOR GOING OFF THE LIST.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE ONE TIME EXPENSES FROM EMPLOYEE 22 THAT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS YEAR.

GIVEN THE EXCESS, THE OVER OUR PREDICTIONS AND THE EXCESS COMING TO OUR FUND BALANCE THIS YEAR, HERE'S A LIST OF THOSE.

AND I'LL ALSO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WE HAVE WHITE PAPERS ASSOCIATED WITH ALL THE SUPPLEMENTALS THE ONE TIME AND THE RECORD RECURRING ATTACHED TO THE ITEM.

THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE AND YOU ONLY GOT THOSE RECENTLY.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE.

WE HAVE A LOT OF MULTIPLE MEETINGS BETWEEN NOW AND 27.

SO IF YOU HAVE IF YOU READ THOSE AND YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE CAN ALWAYS ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

IF THERE'S ANY OF THESE THAT YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR RIGHT NOW, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO BRING THEM UP.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS GROUP OF FINE DIRECTORS AND DEPARTMENT REPRESENTATIVES BEHIND US.

SO I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THESE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

I WON'T SPEND MUCH TIME ON THOSE BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR ME TALK THAT LONG.

WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF FIRE AT ONE TIME, OUR LIGHT, LIGHT RESCUE APPARATUS AND THEN SOME EQUIPMENT AND TRAINING FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS.

THE ONE TIME EXPENSE IN PLANNING.

WE HAVE THE SOUTH RIDGE HISTORIC SURVEY AND THEN WE'RE CONTINUING THE VISION ZERO.

THIS IS OUR PHASE TWO, VISION ZERO, OUR DEVELOPMENT FEE STUDY.

IT IS TIME TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANOTHER STUDY.

THAT WAS ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO.

IT WAS 2019 THAT WE DID THE LAST STUDY WITH MATRIX, WHERE WE WHERE WE CHANGED OUR PHILOSOPHY AND HOW WE RECOVER OUR COSTS ON DEVELOPMENT FEES, PLANNING, BUILDING INSPECTION FEES.

WE HAVE A WAYFINDING SIGN UPDATE IS INCLUDED AS WELL THE BUILDING BUILDING PLAN SCANNING THIS NUMBER.

EVERY TIME WE LOOKED AT IT, IT WAS KIND OF SHOCKING TO SEE THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT WAS NEEDED FOR BUILT.

BUT THESE ARE JUST THOSE LARGE PLANS THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO GET ELECTRONIC THAT ARE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE ON FILE.

AND RIGHT NOW THEY'RE JUST SITTING IN ROOMS ON PAPER, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF LEGAL REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE.

SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE DO A THOROUGH JOB OF THAT SCANNING NEW PROPERTY ARTWORK OUT AT PARKS, WE HAVE LIBRARIES, THE DRIVE THRU REPLACEMENT AT NORTH BRANCH.

WE ARE DOING A BRANDING STUDY THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CITY WIDE.

I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ON THAT CRISIS COMMUNICATIONS, SOME FUNDS DEVOTED TO THAT.

THE MANAGER'S OFFICE.

WE'RE DOING A BUSINESS STUDY THROUGH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM OUR BUSINESSES, DRIVER FEEDBACK SIGNS AND THEN OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE PROGRAMS IN ASSOCIATION WITH OUR EFFORTS WITH COMMUNITY SERVICES.

SO. SO, DAVID, YOU AND I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE PRIOR COUNCILS.

BUT IF YOU COULD DO ME WHERE IT'S CONVENIENT, WHERE IT'S POSSIBLE, IF YOU COULD HIGHLIGHT THOSE, THOSE SUPPLEMENTALS THAT ARE SORT OF COMPENSATING FOR RESTORING TO FULL FUNCTIONALITY AND GROWTH VERSUS TRULY NEW, NEW BUSINESS.

AND BECAUSE I THINK WHEN, YOU KNOW, NOT SO MUCH THIS COUNCIL, BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD THESE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS A LOT, BUT I THINK ESPECIALLY THE PUBLIC THINKS OF SUPPLEMENTAL AS AS NEW.

AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY NEW.

IT CAN BE. WELL, IT'S NEW, BUT IT COULD BE COMPENSATING FOR JUST THE GROWTH OF THE CITY AND OTHER NECESSARY FUNCTIONS.

SO IF IT'S CONVENIENT AND POSSIBLE, IF YOU COULD HIRE YOU OR YOUR TEAM COULD HIGHLIGHT THAT, I'D APPRECIATE IT.

I GUESS WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT.

SOME OF THAT'S IN THE WHITE PAPERS, RIGHT? IT'S KIND OF BURIED IN THERE. BUT I THINK ONE THAT I'D ADD SOMETHING ELSE.

SO IN THAT FASHION, SO FIRE EQUIPMENT AND TRAINING, WHAT DOES THAT FOCUSED ON? DO WE KNOW WHAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT? SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IS IT MORE EQUIPMENT FOR HIGH RISES? IS IT MORE GRASS FIRE? IS IT IS THERE A SPECIFIC FOCUS ON THE EQUIPMENT SIDE AND THE TRAINING SIDE? TRAINING ON.

YEAH. CHIEF HEDGES, YOU WANT TO.

AND THEN WHILE HE'S COMING, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS THE VISION ZERO, PHASE TWO.

I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS FOR, FOR FOUR QUARTER OF A MILLION BUCKS, EQUIPMENT, TRAINS.

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IT'S TECHNICAL RESCUE TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT, 60,000.

THAT IS VARIOUS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT HAVE JUST AGED OUT THERE ON THE LAST LEG THAT EXPIRED AIRBAGS, ESPECIALLY AIRBAGS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THE TREADMILL REPLACEMENTS, ALL TRAFFIC CONTROL SYSTEMS THAT WILL WORK WITH TRAFFIC TO INSTALL NEW DEVICES IN THE CITY.

THAT'S MORE SPACE THAT ACTUALLY CAN SINCE WE ARE COMING DOWN GPS AND IT CHANGES THE SLOT SCREEN BEFORE WE CAN GET THERE.

SO WE HAVE OUR SYSTEM.

SO WE'RE PARTNERED WITH THEM. GET A COUPLE OF EXTRA THOSE.

GO AHEAD. WE'RE TRYING, WHICH IS EXPENSIVE, CRAZY, BUT VERY EFFECTIVE.

IT WILL CLEAR EVERYTHING OUT.

RAZOR RANCH BEFORE THEY TURN ON UNIVERSITY.

IT'S AMAZING, GREAT TECHNOLOGY.

SOME OF THAT IS ACTUALLY THE GRANT MATCH FOR OUR SECOND BLOCK OF TRUCKS THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH, $200,000 FROM COG.

THAT IS THE BIGGEST PARTS OF ALL.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF COMBINED EVERYTHING INTO ONE GENERAL TERM THAT HELPS ME FOCUS WITH UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT FOCUS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THE VISION ZERO.

BECKY'S IN THE STATES, WHICH IS GREAT.

GOOD MORNING. SO AS YOU WILL RECALL, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH THE FIRST PHASE OF VISION ZERO, WHICH IS AN ACTION PLAN WITH THE CONSULTANT THAT WE'VE HIRED TO WORK THROUGH AND SCOPE OUT WHAT ARE THE ACTION PLANS.

SO THE PHASE TWO REALLY IS TAKING THAT TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND MOVING FORWARD WITH LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC FATALITIES THAT WE EXPERIENCE ANNUALLY.

AND THEN REALLY THE GOAL FOR VISION ZERO NATIONWIDE IS TO ELIMINATE TRAFFIC FATALITIES.

SO PART OF WHAT'S IN THAT VISION ZERO, PHASE TWO AS A PART OF THE MOBILITY PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED, IS REALLY LOOKING AT THAT NEXT LEVEL OF CONSULTANT TO HIRE. CURRENTLY, WE ARE HAVING STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, COLLECTING A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC.

A LOT OF THOSE STAKEHOLDERS ARE NOT JUST, OF COURSE CITY STAFF.

THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN THE PHASE TWO, REALLY THE GOAL WITH THAT OR WHAT ARE THOSE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES? HOW DO WE WORK ON INCORPORATING THAT INTO THE CRITERIA MANUALS AND REALLY SETTING OUR SELVES UP FOR SUCCESS FOR THAT NEXT ROUND OF TAKING THOSE PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS THAT CAN BE USED, WHETHER IT'S TRAFFIC CALMING, ETC., AND ACTUALLY PUTTING THOSE AND IMPLEMENTING THOSE INTO PLACE.

BUT THAT WOULD BE IS THAT THAT'S NOT THE PHYSICAL CHANGES TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO IMPLEMENT THOSE THOSE THAT'S JUST MAYBE SAYING WHERE THOSE CHANGES SHOULD IDENTIFY WHERE THOSE CHANGES SHOULD HAPPEN.

AND THEN THERE'S A CONSTRUCTION COST TO THAT.

SO THE GOAL WITH THE FIRST PHASE IS REALLY TO TO EVALUATE AND GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE SOME OF THE INTERESTS, INTERESTS AND THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE EVALUATING.

PHASE TWO IS WHAT ARE THOSE TYPES OF STRATEGIES THAT CAN BE USED? AND THEN OF COURSE, THE STEPS FROM THERE WOULD BE TAKING THE INFORMATION THAT'S RECEIVED FROM THE ACTION PLAN AND THE STRATEGIES AND REALLY LOOKING AT HOW WE INCORPORATE THOSE INTO CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED OR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AS WE IMPLEMENT THOSE INTO THE CRITERIA MANUALS.

AND IS THAT A SINGLE SOURCE THAT WHOEVER DOES THAT PHASE TWO OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE PUT OUT TO BID? AND THERE'S MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT CAN DO THAT.

I BELIEVE THE CONSULTANT HAS ALREADY BEEN HIRED TO BE WORKING THROUGH THOSE BOTH OF THOSE PHASES.

GOT IT. SO IT WAS PUT OUT TO A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE EXPERTS WITHIN THE UNITED STATES.

ACTUALLY, WE'RE HAVING THOSE REMOTE CONVERSATIONS AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY.

YOU KNOW, FOR THE SAKE OF EDUCATING, CAN YOU GIVE US THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DRIVER FEEDBACK SIGNS AND WAYFINDING SIGNS? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO US? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR US? THE WAYFINDING SIGNS ARE THE SIGNS THAT YOU SEE AROUND TOWN THAT KIND OF POINT YOU WHERE TO GO? AROUND THE SQUARE, YOU'LL SEE. IT'S A CITY HALL THAT WAY.

DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING THAT WAY.

QUAKERTOWN PARK. THOSE.

THOSE ARE THE WAYFINDING SIGNS.

JAVA FEEDBACK SIGNS.

ARE THOSE SIGNS THAT KIND OF TELL YOU THE SPEED LIMIT THAT YOU'RE GOING WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING? IS THERE ANY PLAN TO PUT WAYFINDING SIGNS FORWARD? WE'RE JUST ADDING ON TO WHAT WE HAVE OR BECAUSE THE CITY IS GROWING OR WE GETTING READY TO GET A CONSULTANT TO CHANGE THE STRUCTURE AND THE LOOK OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I KNOW THOSE CHANGE ONCE IN A WHILE.

I THINK I THINK I THINK WE'RE DOING THE FULL INITIATIVE ON THE

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THEY HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE 2018.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THEM LOOK FRESH AND NEW.

BUT ALSO, THERE'S SOME AREAS IN THIS CITY, AS YOU KNOW, I THINK, WHERE THERE AREN'T ADEQUATE SIGNAGE.

THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE SIGNAGE FOR WAYFINDING WITH PEOPLE GETTING PLACES, BUT ALSO ADEQUATE SIGNAGE FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.

I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M ALWAYS COGNIZANT OF IS OVERHANG OF TREES THAT TEND TO GROW INTO IN FRONT OF THOSE SIGNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I'LL JUST CONTINUE TO ENGAGE THEM.

I SEE THE THANK YOU.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION THAT'S WELL, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS THAT ARE MORE GENERAL ASSUMPTION QUESTIONS THAN THEY ARE ABOUT ABOUT ONE TIME EXPENSES.

SO IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, I JUST HAVE A REAL QUICK.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS NOT FOR THE PROPOSED BUDGET, BECAUSE THE PROPOSED BUDGET SHOWS 302,000 THAT ARE REMAINING TO FUND WHATEVER THIS IS.

CAN YOU SEE THAT? YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE? YES. OKAY. BUT SO THIS IS IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, THE SALES TAX CAME IN SO MUCH HIGHER THAT WE HAD TWO, $3 MILLION IN EXCESS OF THE CURRENT BALANCE.

SO YOU'RE SAYING INSTEAD OF PUTTING THOSE, HAS PREVIOUS COUNCIL APPROVED ALL THESE THESE ARE ON THIS LIST NOW.

SO SOME OF THEM HAVE COME TO COUNCIL ALREADY.

RIGHT. SO THIS IS ALSO SAYING, HEY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A BUDGET AMENDMENT OR WHAT, BUT WE'RE PAYING FOR THESE OUT OF THIS CURRENT BUDGET.

AND WE MAY NOT NEED A BUDGET THAT WE MAY.

IF WE DO, WE'LL BRING IT FORWARD.

WE WANT TO JUST I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE DID HAVE THE ACCESS FUNDING THIS YEAR.

THESE WOULD BE IN OUR SUPPLEMENTAL CONVERSATIONS GOING TO NEXT YEAR.

WE HAVE TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE EXCESS MONEY.

WE WANT TO REVISIT THIS MANY ONE TIME COSTS THIS YEAR.

OKAY. THANK YOU. BACK TO THE FINANCIALS.

YEAH. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NEW REVENUE RATES AND OTHER KINDS OF OPTIONS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE.

AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT I ASKED THIS QUESTION LAST YEAR, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON LAST YEAR.

SO I'M GOING TO ASK IT AGAIN.

SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE THAT'S CALCULATED BASED ON IS THAT CALCULATED BASED ON LITERALLY COLLECTING THE SAME ACTUAL DOLLAR AMOUNT OF REVENUE? OR IS IT ADJUSTED FOR POPULATION GROWTH? THE SAME DOLLAR AMOUNT OF REVENUE FROM EXISTING RESIDENTS? SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT $500 MILLION IN NEW REVENUE THAT IS EXCLUDED.

SO IT'S BASICALLY SAYING EXISTING RESIDENTS, EXISTING PROPERTIES, HOW MUCH REVENUE YOU GET FROM THEM NEXT YEAR FROM THAT SAME EXISTING FROM LAST YEAR, WAS IT TAX RATE TO GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE FROM THOSE EXISTING PROPERTIES? SO ADOPTING THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE WOULD WOULD EFFECTIVELY KEEP THE AVERAGE TAX BILL THE SAME, ASSUMING THAT THE VALUE OF NEW PROPERTIES BEING BUILT IS ROUGHLY IN LINE WITH THE VALUE OF BOTH PROPERTIES.

IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT ANSWERS BOTH OF MY QUESTIONS THEN.

THANK YOU. IT'S.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE ONE TIME? 25, 22, ONE FIVE? SO ANOTHER ANOTHER THING WE WE HAVE TO DO IS WE'RE HAVING THESE TAX DISCUSSIONS TO LOOK AT THINGS HOLISTICALLY FOR CITY WIDE PERSPECTIVE.

WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS THIS BUDGET FOR AN AVERAGE TAXABLE RESIDENTIAL TAXABLE VALUE.

SO $150 INCREASE.

ON THE ON THE UTILITY SIDE, WE HAVE NO NO, NO INCREASES ON THE UTILITY SIDE AGAIN.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS FIVE, SIX YEARS IN A ROW WHERE WE HAVE EITHER DECREASES OR NO INCREASES.

SO THAT PORTION OF WHAT MOST RESIDENTS, MOST CUSTOMERS PAY IS STAYING LEVEL.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAD THAT INCREASE ON THE TAX TAXABLE SIDE, NO INCREASES ON UTILITY SIDE.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE.

IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES, IT'S VERY RARE TO SEE A CITY HAVE NO INCREASES ON UTILITIES FOR THIS MANY YEARS IN A ROW.

SO OVERALL, WHEN YOU TAKE THEM TOGETHER, IT'S STILL $150 INCREASE, BUT NOTHING ON UTILITIES.

SO FOR THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO SOME SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS METRICS.

THESE ARE TIED TO SUPPLEMENTALS THAT YOU'LL SEE REALLY FOR POSITIONS AND FOR THE ONGOING SUPPLEMENTALS THAT YOU SEE.

I'M SORRY. BEFORE YOU DO THAT, I DO HAVE A QUESTION JUST AS A AND NOT NOT YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TODAY, BUT FOR A FOLLOW UP.

CAN YOU SEPARATE OUT THE BECAUSE YOU DID GO TO MENTION SO YOU HAVE THE TAX RATES THAT ARE FOR TAXES THAT ARE

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IT'S I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT EFFECT BECAUSE WE SHOULD RECOVER.

RIGHT. SO IF SOMEONE HAS A HOUSE THAT'S THAT'S A SENIOR AND IT'S FROZEN, THEY MOVE THAT HOUSE NOW IT COMES BACK ON AT MARKET RATE AT.

SO I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND IF SO, IN THEORY, OVER TIME, OVER LIKE TEN YEAR AVERAGE, THAT SHOULD BALANCE OUT.

THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE HOPING.

BUT I DON'T KNOW. DO WE DOCUMENT THAT? OBVIOUSLY IT HADN'T BEEN IN PLACE THAT LONG.

ONE. BUT THEN TWO, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD GIVE A SNAPSHOT OF? YOU KNOW, NOT TODAY AGAIN, BUT LOOKING FORWARD TO SAY, HEY, IT'S BEEN IN PLACE, WHAT, FIVE YEARS OR FOUR YEARS? AND SO IT'S IT'S BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN.

THERE'S 20 HOUSES THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THE FREEZE AND FIVE HAVE COME BACK ON THE MARKET.

HERE'S THAT MATH.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT.

AND I THINK WE CAN CERTAINLY GIVE YOU MORE DETAIL ON THE FREEZE BECAUSE AND WE WOULD IN PREVIOUS BUDGETS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE IT WAS SO NEW, WE WERE GIVEN A LOT OF DETAIL ON THE FREEZE BECAUSE IT WAS STARTING TO RAMP UP.

NOW, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN TO IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE PLATEAUED OR GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE EVERYONE WHO KNOWS THEY'RE ELIGIBLE HAS GOTTEN IT.

SO I THINK WE CAN GET SOME INFORMATION ON THAT.

IT WOULD BE OR I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ASK FOR THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT TO SEE, GET SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS OF HOUSES THAT GO FROM FREEZE ELIGIBLE TO NOT HAVE A SHORT WINDOW THAT KIND OF TOO MUCH INFORMATION ON THAT THAT'S JUST STILL SO NEW.

BUT I THINK GIVING A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THE FREEZE WOULD BE GOOD.

WE HAVE A FOLLOW UP.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THREE OR FOUR DEPARTMENTS SPECIFICALLY ON SOME METRICS.

BUT THIS IS ONCE WE GET THROUGH TO SUPPLEMENTALS, THIS WILL BE OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU CAN ASK ABOUT SORT OF THE ASK DETAILS ON THESE AS I GO THROUGH THEM.

WHEN WE GET TO THOSE, YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENT, WHETHER THEY'RE IN THESE SLIDES OR NOT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

SO POLICE STAFFING HAS BEEN OBVIOUSLY A SIGNIFICANT GOAL IN THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE BUDGETS.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

WE HAD THE THE MATRIX STUDY THAT WE REFERENCED QUITE FREQUENTLY IN 2019 THAT CAME AND REALLY JUST SHOWED US THE DEFICIENCY THAT WE HAD IN POLICE STAFFING.

SO WE HAD THIS LITTLE TO INCREASE THE STAFFING JUST TO GET TO THOSE THOSE THRESHOLDS THAT WE NEED TO MEET, TO MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ON SWORN POSITIONS.

SPECIFICALLY, YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE TO THAT GOAL THAT MATRIX HAS LAID OUT.

ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT A BROADER LOOK AT OUR POLICE POSITIONS.

BUT JUST SWORN SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS DEDICATION TO ACQUISITIONS, WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE.

WE HAVE FIVE NEW SWORN POSITIONS IN THE BUDGET FOR FY 23, AND WE'RE ON TARGET TO HIT THE GOALS THAT WE HAD WITH THE MATRIX STUDY.

OVERALL, WHEN WE STEP BACK AND WE LOOK AT POLICE ALL POLICE POSITIONS, THIS INCLUDES OUR SWORN POSITIONS ARE NON SWORN POSITIONS, ADMIN POSITIONS.

WE'RE SHOWING PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS POSITIONS IN HERE AS WELL.

IN FY 19, WE'RE AT 270 POSITIONS WITH THIS BUDGET, WITH THE INCREASE THAT YOU'LL SEE BOTH FROM SWORN POSITIONS AND A FEW OTHER POSITIONS ARE IN A FEW MORE DISPATCH POSITIONS AS WELL. WE'RE UP TO 325, I WILL SAY, ON THE EVEN ON THE DISPATCH POSITIONS.

KEEP IN MIND SOME OF THOSE INCREASES WERE ALSO AS A RESULT OF TAKING ON THE CONTRACT AND WE HAVE THE ASSOCIATED REVENUES.

SO THE FIVE POSITIONS THAT ARE IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL PROPOSAL ARE OF THESE I'M ASSUMING THIS IS A LIST OF ALL THE POSITIONS HERE UNDER THE POSITION SUMMARY.

WHERE ARE THOSE FIVE IN THE 324.

AND IN WHICH CATEGORY? I MEAN, ARE THEY NORTH PATROL, SOUTH PATROL OR DO WE NOT DO IT THAT SPECIFICALLY? WE DON'T DO THAT SO WE DON'T WE DON'T DO IT THAT SPECIFICALLY.

THEY'RE GOING TO OBVIOUSLY GO TO THE TWO PATROL DIVISION NORTH AND SOUTH.

BUT OUT OF THAT, THERE WILL BE BLADE OVER INTO INVESTIGATIONS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

I'LL SEE YOU ASK FOR FIVE.

WHY DIDN'T WE ASK FOR TEN? WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE REASONING BEHIND ALL? BE NICE BECAUSE CHIEF HEDGES IS HERE.

SO ONE THING WE'RE TRYING TO BE COGNIZANT IS TRYING TO FIND A BALANCE BETWEEN PROFESSIONAL STAFF AND SWORN STAFFING, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN VERY BEHIND IN PROFESSIONAL STAFF AS WELL. SO YOU'LL SEE SOME ADS FOR THOSE IN HERE.

SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIVE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIVE SWORN OFFICERS, AS MOST POLICE DEPARTMENTS ARE RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A RECRUITING AND RETENTION PROBLEM.

SO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING VERY THOUGHTFUL ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE INITIALLY, WE WANT TO GO BACK AND HAVE MATRIX COME BACK AND DO ANOTHER STUDY.

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SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LAY OUT ANOTHER FIVE YEAR FORECAST SO WE CAN THOUGHTFULLY AS WE ADD MORE POSITIONS, BECAUSE WE HAVE REALLY DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF COUNSEL AND CMO OF ADDING ADDITIONAL POSITIONS.

BUT WE'RE STILL BEHIND WHERE WE WERE, WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO.

YOU JUST DRIVE FREE, JUMPED INTO THE CALLS.

DO DO YOU CAN WE DO WE HAVE A ROUGH FEEL FOR THE POPULATION IN 2019 IT WAS ABOUT 137, AS I RECALL.

IS THAT RIGHT? I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE WRONG NUMBER.

I DON'T WANT TO BE TRUTHFUL, PRECISE ENOUGH THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE JUST TODAY WE'RE 151.

IS THAT WHEN I REMEMBER THESE INSTANCES.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

UP TO THAT. AND I HAD A NOTE I WAS GOING TO ASK LATER, BUT SINCE YOU'RE ON IT, THOSE POPULATION CALCULATIONS, DO THEY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT PRESSURES FROM THE SOUTH AND FROM THE EAST, MEANING DALLAS IS PROBABLY WHATEVER, MEDIAN 500,000.

RIGHT. SO THEN THAT PUSHES PEOPLE TO CARROLLTON.

IT PUSHES PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PUSH NORTH AND THEN FROM THE EAST FRISCO'S OUT OF OUT OF WHACK AS FAR AS AFFORDABILITY.

RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S GOING TO PUSH PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE NEAR FRISCO AND IT KIND OF HAS THAT DOMINO EFFECT THIS WAY.

AND SO WE GET PRESSURES FROM BOTH OF THOSE.

SO THERE'S JUST A NATURAL JUST GROWTH AND TRENDS.

BUT THEN DOES IT ALSO ACCOUNT FOR THE ECONOMIC EFFECT THAT FORCES PEOPLE TO MIGRATE THIS WAY? YEAH, I THINK YOU SEE ALL THAT.

I THINK OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE HAVE THE CENSUS NUMBERS, WE TAKE THOSE OBVIOUSLY INTO ACCOUNT AND WE'RE WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENTS IN Q AND A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS. BUT THAT IS FACTORED IN THAT THAT.

THAT ECONOMIC PRESSURE, IF YOU WILL.

YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THAT.

GOT IT. BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM A LITTLE LOW BECAUSE FIRST GOES 190 MUTINIES, 170, 80.

NO, NO. FRISCO, IT'S 200 K, RIGHT.

YEAH. AND SO THEN YOU HAVE MCKINNEY, THAT'S 190 ISH ROUND NUMBERS.

AND SO FOR US, I THINK I FORGET HOW FAR OUT IT WAS, BUT WE WERE AT ABOUT 2030, AT 200,000.

I THINK IT JUST TAKES TIME.

YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF GO FOR 45,000, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE TEN, 15, 20.

YEAH. NO, AND I THINK NOT TO DISAGREE, I JUST I AM CURIOUS.

WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.

BUT BUT I THINK, YES, THERE'S THOSE PLANNED LARGE DEVELOPMENTS, BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO AN AFFORDABILITY THAT SERVES AS A MULTIPLIER FOR THAT.

SO YOU'RE TALKING OVER YEARS, 40,000 PLUS THE WHATEVER, 10,000 THAT COULDN'T LIVE ELSEWHERE? YEAH. I WILL SAY THIS.

THIS IS THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S AND THIS CAME OUT JUST RECENTLY IN THE NEWS THAT PEOPLE ARE LEAVING THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH AREA TO MOVE OUT INTO THE AREAS LIKE DENTON PONDER PILOT POINT BECAUSE OF AFFORDABILITY AND SOME OF THAT, NOT ALL IT'S AFFORDABILITY, BUT OTHERWISE IT'S BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE.

IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING OUT OF AUSTIN THAT FILLED UP ROUND ROCK, THAT FILLED UP AND NOW FILLING UP MAJOR BASTROP IN THOSE AREAS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME SITUATION HAPPEN HERE.

YEAH. AND I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF WE LOOK TEN YEARS AGO OR PROJECTIONS THAT WERE EXCEEDING THE PROJECTIONS THAT WE MADE TEN YEARS AGO, FIVE YEARS AGO.

SO I THINK CERTAINLY THAT COULD EASILY COME IN HIGHER THAN WHAT WE'RE IN NOW.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

THE I'M LOOKING DOWN HERE AT A CERTAIN NUMBERS AS WELL AS WHEN I ASK THIS QUESTION ABOUT THE MENTAL HEALTH GROUP LOOKS LIKE IT'S NEED ADDITIONAL EIGHT THOSE A ADDITIONAL EIGHT PEOPLE BACK OVER HERE ON PAGE FOUR.

SO IN OUR BUT THE QUESTION IS ANYWAY SO THIS ISN'T THE EIGHT HEAVEN WE'RE ACTUALLY AT SOME OF THAT WAS READJUSTING POSITIONS RIGHT AND REALLOCATING THEM EIGHT.

WHERE ARE WE. WELL I JUST HAD AN EIGHT FIVE.

THAT WAS THAT WAS LIKE 20.

THOSE ARE OUT IN THERE. THEY'RE ALREADY IN THERE.

WE'RE ALREADY WE'RE CONTINUING WITH THE 13.

WE'RE CONTINUING WITH THE 13.

SO A GROWTH LIKE THAT JUMPING FROM 5 TO 13.

IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH IN THE POPULATION OR THE TYPE OF SERVICES OR THE TYPE OF INCIDENCES THAT YOU'RE RUNNING INTO? SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH.

AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE JUST FROM FROM THE LAUNCH, THE ONE YEAR LAUNCH DATE FROM MAY TO MAY, OVER 100 CASES THAT JUST THAT THAT 13

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I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF OUR POPULATION DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR THE INCREASED STUDENT ENROLLMENT AT UNIVERSITIES.

SO THAT HAS A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON PUBLIC SAFETY, BOTH POLICE AND FIRE, BECAUSE THEY'RE RUNNING CALLS ON THE CAMPUS, ACTUALLY.

AND WE KNOW THAT THE KIDS DON'T STAY THERE.

THEY COME INTO THE CITY.

SO THAT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THOSE INCREASES.

IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE INCREASES, THAT ALREADY PUTS US AT ABOUT 200,000 SCHOOLS IN SESSION.

SO WILL THERE BE AN ACTIVE CALL FOR ADDITIONAL MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS ALONE ALONG THE WAY, OR DO YOU THINK? WELL, AS WE GET PATROL NUMBERS BACK UP TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE AS FAR AS STAFFING, THEN WE WILL START LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN REDISTRIBUTE OTHER RESOURCES AROUND.

I MEAN, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT THAT.

THANK YOU, DAVID IN CHIEF.

BUT THOSE PATROL OFFICERS AND THOSE PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICERS ARE ROUGHLY THE SAME COST TO THE BUDGET, GIVE OR TAKE.

ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK CHIEF KEITH TOUCHED ON THESE NUMBERS AND REALLY METRICS HERE THAT JUST SHOW THE GROWTH IN THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT WE HAD.

OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WE'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION ON 20, 20 NUMEROUS TIMES ABOUT THE IMPACT OF COVID ON THE CALLS.

BUT JUST SHOWING YEAR TO DATE HERE, OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET UP TO WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT HAVE BEEN DISPATCHED OR OBVIOUSLY INITIATED IN BOTH YEARS.

ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THE DISPATCHER.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBER OF TOTAL CALLS.

I THINK, AS YOU WOULD EXPECT, WE'RE SEEING THAT INCREASE.

THAT'S REALLY LARGELY, LARGELY DRIVEN FROM JUST INCREASE FROM DIGITS.

ALSO, A PART OF THE JUMP AS YOU LOOK AT PREVIOUS YEARS IS WITH DISPATCHING FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE INCREASED NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE FROM DISPATCH.

SO FIRE, FIRE STAFFING UNLESS THERE'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON ON THE POLICE METRICS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT CONDITIONS SHORTLY AS WELL.

SO THERE WILL BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.

FIRE STAFFING, WE TALKED ABOUT NUMEROUS TIMES NOW WE ADDED SEVEN MIDYEAR.

WE HAVE 12 POSITIONS IN THE BUDGET IN ANTICIPATION OF FIRE STATION NINE THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO HAVE FUNDED THROUGH OUR SAFER GRANT.

GRANT GOING FORWARD RIGHT NOW THAT WE FUND THOSE THAT ARE 100% FOR THREE YEARS BEFORE WE START TO SEE THE IMPACT ON THE GENERAL FUND LATER.

SO WE HAVE BETWEEN THOSE BETWEEN THOSE 219 POSITIONS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COMING FORWARD.

THIS THIS PROJECTION IS NOT MEANT TO BE LOOKED AT IN TOO MUCH DETAIL AT THE ACTUAL POSITIONS.

IT'S REALLY JUST AT A HIGH LEVEL.

YOU CAN DO IT AT A HIGH LEVEL IF TO SAY EVEN WITH THE 12 THAT WE HAVE AND THE SEVEN POSITIONS THAT WERE ADDED, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT ALL THE STATIONS, ALL THE DEMANDS COMING UP, THE NEW LADDER TRUCKS THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONSISTENT NEED FOR FIRE POSITIONS OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS.

SO DON'T GET TOO GRANULAR WITH THESE NUMBERS, BUT JUST WANT TO SHOW THAT WITH THE INCREASE THAT WE HAVE AND EVERYTHING ON THE HORIZON, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT DEMAND FOR FIRE POSITIONS AS WELL.

ALONG WITH THAT, WE HAVE FOUR POLICE.

SO HERE'S SOME OF THOSE METRICS.

THIS IS TELLS US TELLS THE STORY RIGHT HERE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE LAST FISCAL YEAR VERSUS YEAR TO DATE, THIS YEAR, ALMOST EVERY NUMBER WE'RE RIGHT AT, WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO WHERE WE WERE FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR LAST YEAR. SO WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO EXCEED THOSE METRICS KIND OF ACROSS THE BOARD.

BUT OUR AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME HAS GONE DOWN, WHICH IS WHICH IS GREAT.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THE FIRE SPECIFIC METRICS BEFORE WE AS A FOLLOW UP, CAN YOU HELP ME? AND THIS IS ON BOTH OF THOSE RIGHT ON FIRE AND POLICE, CAN YOU FOLLOW UP WITH TRAINING DOLLARS RIGHT IN AND OUT SO THAT WE CAN AND KIND OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM FROM A SPIN.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE GROWING THE STAFF KIND OF TAKING COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS'S APPROACH AS HE TALKS ABOUT CONSULTANTS FROM A SPENDING STANDPOINT, AT SOME POINT IT'S JUST GOING TO MAKE SENSE TO SPEND MONEY.

NOW, I KNOW WE'VE DONE THAT WITH THE TOWER AND WITH SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT WHERE WE THINK, HEY, AT THIS POINT WE NEED TO INVEST IN OUR OWN ONE AND THEN TWO.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO BE UPTAKE IN TRAINING.

SO I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE INDOOR GUN RANGE, WHICH LOOKS GREAT, BY THE WAY, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ALLOW OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO COME HERE.

AND I KNOW THERE SOME SOME KIND OF I KNOW IT'S NOT PROBABLY MARKET RATE SHOULDN'T BE.

RIGHT. I MEAN, SO I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT.

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JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT, HEY, WE'RE WE'RE THIS IS HOW MUCH WE'RE BRINGING IN THIS SUMMIT'S VALUE ADD INTO THE COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S PEOPLE COMING HERE EATING, DOING ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS, RIGHT? SO THAT SO THAT NUMBER IS JUST THAT DELTA OF OUR FORCE ACROSS THE BOARD IS GOING TO BE GROWING SUCH THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO INVEST IN HAVING OUR OWN TRAINING IN-HOUSE AND CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP ALL THE NUMBERS THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET.

ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY? I THINK THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TRAINING ACROSS THE BOARD OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

WE'RE ALREADY A HUB FOR REGIONAL TRAINING.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF COURSES THAT ARE TAUGHT BECAUSE WE'RE LUCKY AND BLESSED TO HAVE OUR OWN TRAINING CENTER HERE.

SO WE BRING IN AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF OUTSIDE AGENCIES FOR TRAINING ALREADY EXISTING AS THE RANGE COMES ONLINE.

THAT WILL ALSO INCREASE.

BUT WE ALREADY HAVE PARTNERS BOTH FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL, THAT ARE USING OUR FACILITIES NOW.

YEAH. AND SO IT'D BE GREAT JUST TO HAVE WHATEVER THAT SNAPSHOT LOOKS LIKE, BUT TO, TO SHARE THAT, BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION IN THOSE SUCCESSES, BE REALLY GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. SO AGAIN, ALL THESE THE METRICS THAT WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING HERE REALLY TIED TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST THAT YOU SEE.

WE HAVE MORE FIRE PHYSICIANS, MORE POLICE PHYSICIANS, MORE DISTRESSED PHYSICIANS.

WE HAVE RESOURCES FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES FOR CONTINUING OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN.

SO A LOT OF METRICS HERE.

THIS IS A GREAT SLIDE.

AND DANI CERTAINLY AND HER STAFF CERTAINLY HERE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ON THESE.

AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THE COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT SERVICE SIDE THE AMOUNT OF COMPLIANCE THAT IS INCREASING YEAR TO YEAR, WHICH IS WHICH IS GREAT.

THE PROACTIVE NATURE THAT WE HAVE WITH THE PROACTIVE VERSUS COMPLIANT CASES.

SO REALLY FOCUS ON COMMUNITY SERVICES ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND ON THE LEFT SIDE.

LOOKING AT THOSE GRANTS THAT WE'VE MANAGED FROM THE COMMUNITY SIDE AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SERVED.

SO JUST GREAT EFFORTS HERE AND CERTAINLY CAN ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

DAVE DOES WITH THE REORG THAT WE HAD A FEW MONTHS AGO IS ANIMAL CONTROL AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER DEPARTMENT THAT PULLED OFF? ARE THOSE IN THIS BUDGET OR ARE THERE IN A DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS? YOU'RE NOT IN THIS ONE. YOU'RE NOT IN THIS ONE.

NO. ANIMAL SERVICES IS IN ITS OWN.

OKAY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. QUESTION, IS ANIMAL SERVICES BUDGET GOING TO BE COMING UP SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO INTO SPECIFICS ON IT, BUT YOU CAN ASK ANY QUESTIONS? A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I THINK THEN WOULD BE APPROPRIATE HERE.

ONE IS I'VE BEEN GETTING SOME CORRESPONDENCE FROM PEOPLE ABOUT THE ANIMAL, THE ADOPTION CENTER AND ITS CAPACITY.

THAT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF ANIMALS COMING FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, OTHER WORDS COMING FROM OUTSIDE AS COMING FROM THE COUNTY.

AND I THINK WE'RE WE HAVE SOME KIND OF CONTRACT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THE COUNTY ANIMALS FROM THE COUNTY ARE SORT OF OVERWHELMING THE CENTER, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? AND ARE WE RECOVERING OUR COSTS THAT ARE INCURRED IN THAT IN THAT VEIN? BECAUSE AND IF NOT, THEN IS THERE A CONVERSATION THAT WE CAN HAVE WITH THE COUNTY, SAY, HEY, EITHER WE'VE GOT TO INCREASE STUFF OR WE'VE GOT TO BUILD A FACILITY? SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN ASKED, AND THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

SO WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE COUNTY CURRENTLY BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO UPDATE THOSE CORES.

BUT BETTY SHARON WITH THE ASF DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN SPEAKING WITH HER BECAUSE OF THE NUMBERS OF THE COUNTY ANIMALS THAT ARE COMING IN AND THAT OUR SHELTER IS HITTING CAPACITY A LOT MORE OFTEN.

SO THAT DISCUSSION MORE GLOBAL, HOLISTIC, LIKE POTENTIAL DENTON COUNTY SHELTER.

SO I KNOW THAT SHE'S SCHEDULED A MEETING WITH JUDGE EADES TO START THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL.

I THINK THE CITY DEFINITELY IS LOOKING AT THAT SAME POSITION THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOMETHING BIGGER BECAUSE THE STAT RIGHT NOW IS 77% OF PEOPLE HAVE PETS.

SO EVERY APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT GOES UP, EVERY LARGE SUBDIVISION YOU CAN ANTICIPATE, ABOUT 77% OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE PETS.

SO WE'RE DEFINITELY HITTING CAPACITY A LOT MORE OFTEN AND SEEING THAT WE'RE MEETING WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT OUR CURRENT CONTRACT.

BUT WE NEED TO START THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BIGGER PICTURE AS FAR AS EXPANSION, ESPECIALLY BASED OFF THE CAPACITY, WE JUST KEEP HITTING AT THE SHELTER AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD TIME WHEN YOU'RE IN THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS TO BRING UP THAT SORT OF SUSTAINABLE POSITION.

YOU CAN'T DO IT TOMORROW. BUT YEAH, BECAUSE WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIZENS HERE IN DENTON AREN'T NECESSARILY SUBSIDIZING FOR ANIMAL SERVICES, ANIMAL SHELTER SERVICES FOR THE COUNTY.

AND I'M ASSUMING YOU ALL KNOW WHAT IT COSTS TO PER ANIMAL, PER CAT, PER DOG FOR RABBIT, FOR WHATEVER.

AND HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE COMING IN AND DOES THAT COMPORT WITH WHAT OUR CONTRACT IS?

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IT'S NOT TOO MUCH DIFFERENT BECAUSE ACTUALLY FROM WHERE AT LEAST YOU CAN CHIME IN.

TIFFANY IT WASN'T A HUGE AMOUNT OF INCREASE.

IT WAS IN SOME AREAS OF IF YOU HAD TO DO THE TESTING ON AN ANIMAL BASED ON RABIES THAT COST AND SOME OTHER THINGS.

WHAT WE ARE SAYING, THOUGH, AND I THINK THIS REALLY IS DOES NEED TO TAKE MORE OF A GLOBAL APPROACH IS THE WILDLIFE REHABILITATION AND ANIMALS THAT ARE NOT TYPICALLY DOGS, CATS.

AND SO LIKE SHE SAID, BETTY SHERMAN'S HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH JUDGE EATS AND I KNOW WE'LL BE INVOLVED IN THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A SHELTER AND IT'S A REALLY NICE SHELTER.

AND SO THE QUESTION WILL BE, DOES THE COUNTY WANT TO BE INTO THE BUSINESS OF ANIMAL SERVICES? AND I'D ADD PART OF THAT IS RIGHT NOW THE COUNTY PAYS FOR THE FIVE DAYS UNTIL CITY TAKES OWNERSHIP OF THAT ANIMAL, AND THEN THE COUNTY DOESN'T PAY ANY MORE.

AND PART OF OUR NEGOTIATIONS IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT ANIMAL TO BE HOUSED UNTIL ADOPTION.

SO THAT'S THE BIGGEST PART OF THE CON.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

SOME ANIMAL COMES IN FROM THE COUNTY.

THE COUNTY PAYS FOR FIVE DAYS.

IF THAT ANIMAL IS HERE FOR 30 OR 45 OR 60 DAYS OR WHATEVER.

YEAH. THAT BECOMES OUR NON END.

YEAH. WE GOT TO CHANGE THAT.

THAT'S, THAT'S, IT REALLY WASN'T ANY OF GO BACK AND FORTH ANYTHING HE SAID WE'LL INCLUDE THIS IN THE BUDGET SO WE ARE AHEAD OF YOU ON THAT ONE.

I DO THINK THOUGH, AND I KNOW YOU AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THE BIGGER GLOBAL ISSUE HERE AND I KNOW BOTH TIFFANY ARE EXPERIENCING THIS IS A NUMBER OF WILDLIFE INJURIES OF ANIMALS AND SO FORTH THAT I THINK WE AS A CITY WITH PARTNERS NEED TO LOOK AT EVENTUALLY HAVING A WILDLIFE FACILITY OR SOMETHING THAT CAN HOUSE, REHABILITATE AND THEN RELEASE THEM.

IT'S DIFFERENT FROM DOMESTIC.

THAT'S RIGHT. TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

AND TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPES OF WORK THAT HAS TO TAKE PLACE DOES NEED TO FACTOR IN THAT DATA POINT IS REALLY ABOUT WHAT THE COUNTY BRINGS IN THROUGH ITS OFFICER.

SO ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO COMES INTO THE SHELTER TO DROP OFF AN ANIMAL FROM ANOTHER CITY, WHICH DOES HAPPEN, ISN'T CURRENTLY BEING FACTORED IN THAT CONVERSATION.

OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

SO THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE ANY FACILITIES ANYWHERE.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CITIES THAT DO JUST THE CITIES, BUT MANY DON'T.

SO LIKE I SAID, IF SOMEONE IS IN ANOTHER CITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A SHELTER, THEY MAY BRING THEIR ANIMAL TO DROP IT OFF AT OUR SHELTER BECAUSE IT'S THE CLOSEST ONE TO THEM.

THAT CALCULATION ONLY FACTORS IN WITH THE OFFICER IN THE COUNTY BRINGS IN, OH WELL I DON'T NEED IT NOW, BUT IT'D BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT BRINGING IT IN FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, BUT NOT THROUGH THE COUNTY ANIMAL OFFICER, BECAUSE THAT MEANS NOBODY'S PAYING FOR THAT EXCEPT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.

ALL RIGHT. YES.

OKAY. ONE OTHER QUESTION IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THAT.

AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT A CONVERSATION AT THIS LEVEL, BUT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

WE PROBABLY WILL LATER ON. BUT I KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER TRANCHE OF FEDERAL FUNDS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE RESCUE ACT OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED, $11 MILLION.

I KNOW YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT BUDGETING.

I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY REVISIT HOW WE'RE SPENDING THOSE DOLLARS FROM AN AFFORDABILITY PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE I KNOW AFFORDABLE HOUSING PERSPECTIVE.

I KNOW THAT SOME OF THAT MONEY SPENT FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE.

I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY START THINKING ABOUT ARE WE? DO WE NEED TO BUY SOMETHING? CAN WE CAN WE BUY A PROPERTY THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE SUSTAINABLE? AND JUST GENERAL CONVERSATION OF THAT, I'M I'M GUESSING WE'LL BE THERE AT NOON.

OH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

OKAY, GREAT.

FANTASTIC. WELL, I JUST SAW THIS AS PART OF THE ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

IF YOU GO IN, YOU'LL SEE SOME SOME OF THAT.

BUT WE HAVE FOUR OR FIVE SLIDES JUST ON.

NO, NO. HERE. THANKS. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

WOULD YOU SAY 11 ARE NOON? I'M GOING AS FAST AS I CAN.

EXACTLY WHERE GO.

I WAS PRESENTING ABOUT 8 HOURS AGO GOING PRETTY GOOD AFTER THE MAYOR DUNKS ON THE DEPUTIES.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE SHOWN THE PAST FEW YEARS, OUR TOTAL COMMUNITY SERVICES FINDING IT CAN BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE COMMUNITY SERVICES GET SO MANY DIFFERENT BUCKETS IN THE CITY, FROM GENERAL FUND TO OUR GRANTS TO THE PAST FEW YEARS, OUR CARES ACT AND ARP FUNDS.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW IN AGGREGATE, HERE'S EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE BUDGET FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES AND THESE HAVE SHIFTED THE PAST FEW YEARS BECAUSE OF THOSE, THOSE ONE TIME PROGRAMS. SO YOU CAN SEE IN TOTAL 10 MILLION A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, 13.7 MILLION LAST YEAR.

AND THEN WE'RE AT THAT 10 MILLION NUMBER IN TOTAL THIS YEAR.

A LOT OF THAT SHIFT IS GOING TO BE DRIVEN BY THE CARES ACT.

OUR ARP FUNDS ARE FOCUSED ON THE 288 BUILDING, SO WE DANIS HERE.

WE CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE SPECIFICALLY ON THIS, BUT SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO SHOW, JUST TO SHOW THE AGGREGATE AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE SEEING.

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SO WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE IN DETAIL.

BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE CAN CERTAINLY PARKS AND REC, WE DO HAVE SOME REQUESTS FOR PARKS AND REC.

SO WE WANTED TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THE METRICS FOR PARKS AND RECREATION.

I THINK A BIG AND OBVIOUSLY START ON THE RIGHT YEAR.

OBVIOUSLY THIS YEAR WE'VE BEEN VERY FOCUSED ON OUR LAND ACQUISITION USE OR COMING UP CAN USE ALL OF OUR BOND FUNDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE 2019 BOND ELECTION WHERE WE'RE GOING STRATEGICALLY AFTER AFTER GOOD PIECES OF LAND FOR ACQUISITION, FOR PARKS AND OPEN SPACE.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IN THAT 2022 ESTIMATE.

WE'RE REALLY USING THOSE BOND FUNDS TO GET THE LAND THAT WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH.

WE ALSO HAD THE UPDATED NINE 1516 FUNDS WHICH ARE HELPING FINANCE IN THE FUTURE YEARS AS WE'RE PROJECTING 23 AND ONWARD, HAVING ADDITIONAL FUNDS AS WE'RE WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS OR PURCHASING LAND ON OUR OWN.

SO WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

AND WHAT WE'VE OBVIOUSLY I'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL THROUGHOUT BUT HAS CONTINUES TO BE A BIG EFFORT ON THE LEFT SIDE.

GARY OBVIOUSLY IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS AND CAN SPEAK TO IT ON THE TRAIL EXPANSION THAT WE'RE DOING AND TRYING TO HAVE CONNECTIVITY WITH OUR FRONT IN LINE WITH OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN AND JUST EVERY EVERY DEVELOPER THAT EVERY DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES THROUGH, EVERY OPEN SPACE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT VERSUS CONSTANTLY KEEPING THAT IN MIND OF EXPANDING OUR TRAIL. SO THAT'S CONTINUING TO EXPAND AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PLANS ARE ALSO CONTINUING TO INCREASE.

SO JUST A FEW METRICS ON PARKS AND REC AND WE HAVE JUST AN INDIVIDUAL NUMBERS THERE OF EVERYTHING THAT OUR PARKS, PARKS AND REC FOLKS ARE DOING.

AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE THE FACILITY UTILIZATION JUST CONTINUING TO INCREASE WITH THAT 600,000 GOAL THERE WITH FOLKS COMING TO THE COUNTER, THE VOLUNTEER IMPACT THAT WE HAVE USING OUR SOCIAL MEDIA, THE SATISFACTION RATINGS CONTINUE TO BE VERY HIGH.

I THOUGHT ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT HAYWARD WAS GOING TO DOUBLE THE TREE PLANTINGS.

IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? FROM 300 TO 600.

IS THAT MY IMAGINATION? WE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PROJECTS ARE WORKING ON THAT.

OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE TREES INCLUDED THEM AS WELL AS PLANTINGS LIKE CONVENIENCE AND RIGHT OF WAYS.

2499 WE HAVE A GRANT, WE'RE STARTING KICKING ONE OFF FOR 377 AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE LOOKING TO PLANT TWO.

SO THAT ONE RIGHT THERE IS JUST COUNTING THE SPECIFIC MEDIANS OUTSIDE OF THE PROJECTS.

BUT THERE'S A LARGER NUMBER OF TREE PLANTINGS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH PROJECTS.

NORTH LAKES, TENNIS CENTER, SOUTH LAKE ALSO HAVE TREES.

OK OK, I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. HEY, DAVID.

FOR ME, I REALLY LIKE THE AND THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION ON THE MCKENNA TRUST FUND.

I REALLY LIKE THAT AND I LIKE TYING THAT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE US DO THAT MORE TIME TO MAYBE NAMING RIGHTS.

AND SO THERE'S KIND OF LIKE A NAMING AND A SUSTAINABLE GRANT FUND OR AS PART OF ZONING OR THAT SORT OF THING.

I JUST WANT TO SAY HOW MUCH I THINK THAT IS A REALLY GOOD TOOL THAT WE CAN TIE TO NAMING RIGHTS AND THEN ALSO TAKE SOME PRESSURE OFF OF US FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT, EVEN IF IT'S A DEVELOPER OR WHOEVER, YOU KNOW THAT, HEY, DOES YOUR FAMILY WANT TO HAVE THIS NAMING RIGHT IN EXCHANGE FOR THIS FUNDING MECHANISM THAT THAT SETS UP AS A TRUST AND GOES FORWARD? SO REALLY LIKE THAT AND JUST WANT TO SHARE IF WE CAN WORK THAT INTO SOME OF THE NAMING RIGHTS, THAT SORT OF THING.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD.

THANK YOU. SO LIKE LIBRARIES, WE DO HAVE JENNIFER.

WE DO HAVE POSITIONS FOR JENNIFER IN THE LIBRARIES AND THE BUDGET THIS YEAR AND I'M GOING TO GET THE YEAR ROUND.

BUT IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME, 15 YEARS SINCE 2006.

YOUR EFFORTS TODAY THAT WE HAVE IN 2006.

OH, MY GOD. JENNIFER HAS BEEN WAITING YOU.

I'M ONLY HERE FOR THE BEST LIBRARY DIRECTOR I'VE EVER WORKED WITH.

THERE'S ALSO AN ADVOCATE, AND THERE'S A BIG NEED THERE.

SO WE DO HAVE ADDITIONS, YOU'LL SEE IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL AS WE UNDERSTAND THE DEMANDS THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE CITY.

BUT IT'S REALLY EASY FOR PARKS AND REC FOR LIBRARIES TO NOT GET SOME OF THOSE RESOURCES.

SO IT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY WANT TO PRIORITIZE.

AND HERE'S SOME OF THE METRICS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.

YOU CAN SEE THE CIRCULATION CONTINUING TO INCREASE ON EFFORTS THAT JENNIFER DOES AND THEN THE LIBRARY VISITS JUST CONTINUING TO GO UP.

SO ON THE CAPITAL SIDE, WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE LONG TERM WITH NEW BRANCHES AND REVITALIZING OUR BRANCHES AS WE OPERATE INSIDE.

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ACCOUNTS CONTINUE TO INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR AND THEN REALLY THAT FOCUS ON HAVING INCREASED CLASSES IN EVENTS AT THE LIBRARY, USUALLY USING THE LIBRARIES IN CREATIVE WAYS AND GETTING FOLKS INTO THE BUILDING.

WHILE WE TRANSITION BECAUSE IT WAS IT WAS DURING THE THE DOES THIS COUNT THESE FTES COMPENSATION WHERE SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL HOURS THAT WE'VE BEEN USING TO MAINTAIN FACILITIES AS WARMING AND COOLING HOURS SO THAT BECAUSE IT TAKES STAFF TO KEEP IT OPEN FOR OUR VARIOUS AND MOSTLY THE REC CENTERS AND THE LIBRARIES AND CITY BUILDINGS.

BUT I MEAN, IS THIS COMPENSATE FOR SOME OF THAT OR THESE ARE JUST THE ACTUAL INFRASTRUCTURE CIRCULATION PART MAINTENANCE OPERATIONAL? IF CERTAINLY IF JENNIFER WENT DOWN A LITTLE BIT, I WOULD I WOULD SAY THE POSITIONS THAT WE'RE ADDING ARE NEEDED REGARDLESS, REGARDLESS, REGARDLESS OF THAT, JUST FOR THE GENERAL NEEDS OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND US.

SO THIS IS REALLY MORE OF A FOR WE MIGHT NEED ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR THESE OTHER FUNCTIONS.

THANK YOU. IF YOU WANTED THAT POLICY CONVERSATIONS, I'LL LISTEN AND I'LL SAY MAYBE THAT'S AN ISR ITEM THERE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING, RIGHT? I MEAN, JUST THE AVERAGE EMPLOYEE ISN'T EQUIPPED TO THEN WORK A WARMING OR COOLING STATION OR ETC., ETC..

I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S WAY MORE INVOLVED.

WE, WE DO IT AS A COURTESY.

WE'RE PROBABLY THE ONLY CITY IN THE REGION THAT DOES IT.

LEWISVILLE DOESN'T DO IT.

THEY DO IT FOR COOLING.

NO WARMING. THEY DON'T DO COOLING.

I DIDN'T SEE LITTLE L, I DIDN'T SEE ANYONE ELSE THAT DOES IT.

AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE THAT STAFF BE HEARD ON THE INTRICACIES OF SETTING THAT UP.

AND YOU TAKE AN ACCOUNT FAMILIES WHICH YOU CAN'T REALLY ACCOUNT FOR.

RIGHT? AND SO IT'S JUST REALLY IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS IT IS PURPORTED TO BE.

AND THE REQUESTS WE GIVE ARE NOT REASONABLE IN MY ESTIMATION.

WE'RE ALL PASSIONATE, BUT MAN, WE HAVE SINGLE PARENTS THAT WORK HERE AND IT'S JUST IT'S NOT THE SAME THING.

IT'S AND IT'S OVERSIMPLIFIED REGULARLY.

SO I JUST I WOULD ASK THAT THAT TAKE SOME TIME, WRITE THAT UP HOWEVER YOU WANT TO WRITE IT.

BUT I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT BEING, YOU KNOW, JUST MY LIFE EXPERIENCE AND BEING A SINGLE PARENT AND UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE PRESSURES JUST COME GENERALLY. AND THEN I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU IN A POSITION WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO PARSE THROUGH PEOPLE IN THEIR PERSONAL LIVES AND UNDERSTAND, HEY, CAN YOU STAND THIS UP? I'M GETTING THESE. OR, YOU KNOW, I JUST IT'S A BIG IT'S A BIG, BIG THING THAT GETS OVERSIMPLIFIED.

WE HAVE AN ACTUAL PRESENTATION THAT WE DID ABOUT I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG AGO IT WAS.

IT TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND IF WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS ON A PERMANENT BASIS, STAFFING WISE, SOCIAL WORK, ADDITIONAL STAFFING THAT WAS TRAINED IN DEALING WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND OTHER OTHER ISSUES THAT WE EXPERIENCE WHEN WE EVEN HAVE THE COLD WEATHER SHELTERS OPEN AND WE PULLED NODS OFF. PEOPLE OF POLICE HAVE HAD TO PULL KNIVES OFF PEOPLE.

WE'VE HAD FIGHTS AND THINGS.

SO YEAH, WE HAVE SOMETHING WE CAN DUST OFF THAT WE PUT OUT THERE.

THAT SAID, IF WE REALLY IF COUNCIL REALLY WANTS TO LOOK AT THAT, IT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL HIRING OF PEOPLE THAT HAD VERY GOOD SKILLS IN AREAS OF OF MEDIATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WELL, I GUESS MY UNDERSTANDING HAS BEEN BACK IN WHEN WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BACK IN FEBRUARY THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS THIS YEAR.

IS THAT NOT HAPPEN? WE DON'T HAVE IT IN THERE, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY PULL A I DON'T KNOW, DANNY.

WE HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT WE CAN SEND BACK OUT THAT WE DID THAT KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY SEND THAT OUT AND GET IT TO YOU SO YOU CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

AT THE TIME, I BELIEVE IT WAS DECIDED THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT, BUT WE MAY HAVE.

YEAH, WELL, I MAY BE MISREMEMBERING AS WELL.

I KNOW THAT MY DIRECTION WAS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT BUDGETING FOR THAT MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE I DO RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S NOT REALISTIC OR A GOOD IDEA TO JUST FLY BY THE SEAT OF OUR PANTS EVERY TIME THERE'S A WEATHER EMERGENCY.

WE WERE PULLING STAFF FROM LIBRARIES AND REC CENTERS THAT WE'RE TRAINED TO.

WELL, THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION IS THAT'S THE THAT'S THE FLOOR FOR THE SERVICES THAT ARE DESCRIBED UNDER THE BUDGET.

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IF ONE, I WOULDN'T BRING IT BACK BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY IT CAN COME BACK AND BE ACTIVATED IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

ONE, TWO, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HOLISTIC LOOK AT THAT.

WE HAVEN'T BUILT A REC CENTER SINCE 1980 AND ALL OUR REC CENTERS THAT YOU SEE ARE PEAKING.

SO THEN YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE AWAY SERVICES YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE AWAY OPPORTUNITIES FOR.

KIDS, YOUNG ADULTS, ADULTS, SENIORS, TO THEN USE THAT FACILITY FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

SO IT'S A HUGE CONVERSATION.

WE NEED NEW FACILITIES.

WE NEED NEW STAFF.

I MEAN, IT JUST IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THAT CAN BE DONE 20 THIS YEAR OR THAT'S THAT'S AT LEAST THREE YEARS OUT.

IF YOU START WORKING ON IT TOMORROW, IT WOULD BE A PROCESS.

YEAH. BUT THE OTHER GOOD THING IS TO 88 WILL BE OPEN IN DECEMBER.

THAT WILL HELP WITH A LOT OF THE ISSUES.

24, SEVEN ALL YEAR ROUND EVERY DAY.

YEAH. AH, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF BUILDING INSPECTION AND PLANNING POSITIONS IN THE BUDGET AND SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE METRICS AND TALK ABOUT JUST THE, THE DRASTIC INCREASE THAT WE CONTINUE TO SEE AND THE DEMAND ON OUR PLANNING AND BUILDING INSPECTIONS AS WE WIN THE COVID RELIEF.

WE DID SEE A DIP IN THAT AND IT REALLY NEVER HAPPENED EVEN THROUGH 2020, CONTINUE TO SEE INCREASE OVER INCREASE.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE SEEING AN ESTIMATE OF 24% OVER LAST YEAR WITH A NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS COMING IN.

YOU CAN SEE ON EACH OF THESE METRICS THE ACTIVITY, THE PRE APPLICATIONS, THE PRE CONSTRUCTION MEETINGS JUST CONTINUING TO INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR.

AS WE LOOK AT THOSE SUPPLEMENTALS, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND, AS I'VE TOUCHED ON, THAT WE ARE AT FULL COST RECOVERY ON OUR PLANNING AND BUILDING INSPECTIONS POSITIONS AND SINCE WE'RE GOING FORWARD IN OUR STUDY ON THAT.

SO THOSE REALLY ARE TIED TO REVENUES WHERE THE POSITIONS THAT WE'RE ADDING ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE REVENUE INCREASES COMING IN.

SO THEY'RE REALLY NEEDED IN THAT SENSE WHERE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE CONDITIONS, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY THE REVENUE THAT WE'RE BRINGING IN THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR THE NEXT YEAR. BUILDING INSPECTION THE SAME STORY, BUT EVEN EVEN MORE PRONOUNCED IN 40 TO 42% INCREASE IN REVIEWS. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS JUST CONTINUING TO INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR DRASTICALLY.

IN 2017, WE WERE DOING 18,000 RESIDENTIAL INSPECTION COUNTS, NOW 33,000.

SO SIGNIFICANT INCREASES ACROSS THE BOARD.

ME TURN TO WHAT YOU SAID.

SO THE PLANNING STAFF THAT YOU HAVE IN THE BUDGET NOW FURTHER SLIDES AHEAD IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL TIERS, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL PLANNING STAFF.

THOSE AREN'T THE ONES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW OR ARE THAT THEY ARE DOING OKAY.

SO SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IF.

WHATEVER WE ATTEMPT TO HIRE.

YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A SUPPLEMENTAL PACKAGE, BUT THEN IS THAT INCLUDED IN THE REVENUE IN THE BUDGET? THAT'S RIGHT. WE'RE SHOWING WE'RE SHOWING OUR REVENUE BASED ON OUR CURRENT FEEDS THAT ARE COMING IN.

TO JUSTIFY THOSE FEES.

WE HAVE TO HAVE THE COST IN THE WEEDS, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO HAVE A COST TO JUSTIFY.

AND WE DO A STUDY THAT. HERE'S MY DEVELOPMENT.

SURE. AND I THINK IF WE DON'T HAVE THOSE CONDITIONS AND THE REASON THAT WE VALUE LET'S PUT IT IN THERE IS FIRST, JUST FROM A MONEY STANDPOINT, I DON'T REALLY BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY THE FEES FOR CHARGING BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T WE'D HAVE MORE DEVELOPMENT, BUT LESS EXPENSIVE ON THE STAFF SIDE TO JUSTIFY THEM.

AND SECOND, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO KEEP UP WITH THE STANDARD THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR TURNAROUND OR USE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO AND I MAY BE A LITTLE CONFUSED, BUT WHEN I WHEN I SEE THESE IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL PACKAGES, LIKE, LET'S SAY I THINK IT'S TIER FIVE OR FOUR, ONE OF THOSE THREE OF THREE.

SO LET'S JUST SAY IT'S $500,000.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE NUMBER IS I CAN'T REMEMBER THEN BECAUSE THAT'S A SUPPLEMENTAL PACKAGE SAYING, HEY, WE'RE OUR CURRENT BUDGET DOESN'T COVER THAT. WE'RE ASKING FOR IT TO BE NEW.

SO THEN WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED BUDGET IN THE REVENUES, YOU'RE SAYING THAT.

WE HAVE TO HAVE THOSE TO SUSTAIN THE REVENUES YOU PROJECTED FOR COMING IN FOR DEVELOPMENT AND PERMIT FEES AND ALL THAT.

YES, IT'S VERY NUANCED.

BUT YES, I WOULD SAY I WOULD SAY THAT'S BROADLY ACCURATE.

A GIF OF THE ACTOR.

I LOVE IT. I'M GOING TO REMEMBER THAT.

SO WE'RE PROJECTING THIS DEMAND TO COME IN.

RIGHT. SO WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THE STAFF TO MEET THE DEMAND.

WE ALSO ARE DOING A COST OF SERVICE STUDY SO THAT WE CAN JUSTIFY THE FEES THAT WE'RE CHARGING.

BECAUSE ONCE YOU GO INTO THIS 100 COST RECOVERY WORLD, YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN JUSTIFY.

SO YOU'VE GOT TO STAY THERE. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A SITUATION.

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I JUST I DON'T WANT US TO GET INTO WHERE WE'RE HIRING MORE STAFF TO JUSTIFY A REVENUE PROJECTION.

IT'S ALREADY IF IT'S STARTING HERE.

SO LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

WE ARE NOT.

IF SOMEONE COMES IN FOR REVIEW AND WANTS TO SIT DOWN AND DO PRELIMINARY REVIEW, THERE ARE 2 TO 3 MONTHS OUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM IN A PROPER TIMING.

THEY'RE LITERALLY HAVING.

MATTER OF FACT, I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH A COUPLE OF COMPLAINTS BECAUSE IT WAS IT SEEMED LIKE IT'S TOO LONG.

WE NEED TO HAVE A 30 MINUTE CONVERSATION, BUT THEY'RE BOOKED.

THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY REVIEWING THE PLANS ON THE OTHER END AS WELL.

SO IT'S WE ARE NOT ABLE TO KEEP UP AND IT'S DELAYING SOME OF THOSE DEVELOPERS TO GET IN THE QUEUE AND GET GOING.

ALL RIGHT. SO THEN THE PROJECTED NEED WOULD I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS EXACTLY.

YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS TODAY.

IT'S PROBABLY IN A WHITE PAPER SOMEWHERE.

WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO.

YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE HAVE THESE ADDITIONAL STAFFS.

HOW WILL THAT ADDRESS SOME METRICS THAT WE'RE SEEING THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO US, WHETHER IT BE HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING? BECAUSE I KNOW THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, THE PROBLEM WAS WE WE WERE USING MORE PEOPLE TO COMPENSATE FOR A LACK OF GOOD TECHNOLOGY.

PROJECT DOCS TRACK.

I FORGOT WHAT THEY ALL WERE.

LASER FISH.

ALL THESE. ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS.

HAVE WE RESOLVE THAT PROBLEM? HAVE WE RESOLVED THE ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTATION ISSUE WHERE WE'RE NOT COMPENSATING FOR AND ADEQUATE INADEQUACIES IN TECHNOLOGY WITH JUST MORE PEOPLE TO DO THINGS MANUALLY? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE WERE ABOUT THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO.

YES. ALTHOUGH SCOTT'S SCOTT'S OUTSIDE TODAY AS WELL.

SO WE CAN FOLLOW UP.

NO, NO. YES, THAT'S FINE.

BECAUSE WE'LL BE HAVING THESE A.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WHERE WE ARE IN THAT.

AND I WILL SAY AND WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THIS AS WELL AS EVEN MORE.

BUT THE WHITE PAPERS DO GO INTO KIND OF THE AVERAGE REVIEW.

YEP. THANK YOU.

TO ASSUAGE YOU, THEY ARE USING MORE TECHNOLOGY, THE NEW ROLLOUT AND THE TECHNOLOGY.

NO, NO, THAT'S GOOD. BECAUSE IT WAS TERRIBLE.

IT WAS TERRIBLE. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT AND I SAID IT PUBLICLY BEFORE THEN.

SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THE SOFTWARE IS GOING TO PROVIDE IT.

YES. AND THE OTHER PART OF THIS JUST REMINDED ME IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE WHEN THEY'RE DOING PRE-APPLICATION, THEY DO PRE-CONSTRUCTION, BUT THEY ALSO MEET, DEPENDING ON THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE TRYING TO CATCH BECKY'S TEAM TEXT OFF EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO IT IS IT'S A BIG DEAL AND THEY'RE JUST BACKED UP.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. HEY, DAVID, AS PART OF THAT THAT COMES BACK TO YOU ALSO POINT ME TO A REPORT ON ISSUES.

WE I KNOW WE'RE CATCHING MORE ISSUES AND HOLDING PEOPLE MORE ACCOUNTABLE IN THAT WAY.

AND I'D LOVE TO KIND OF HAVE THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT GOES TO WHAT COUNCILMAN WATTS SAYS AS WELL.

JUST KIND OF THAT MATRIX OF AND THE ONE THAT COMES TO MIND FOR ME REGULARLY IS THE THE THE STREET, THEIR PANHANDLE, I GUESS GOING THROUGH THE NEW VILLAGES RAISED RANCH, THAT AREA AT THAT NEW PARK AREA, THEY HAD TO REDO THAT PANEL LIKE THREE TIMES.

AND THEN STAFF WENT BACK AND SAID, IT'S STILL NOT GREAT BUT EXTEND THE WARRANTY AND WE CAN MOVE ON.

BUT THOSE TYPE CATCHES DON'T REGULARLY GET REPORTED AND THAT TO ME ADDS VALUE TO MORE STAFF, MORE EYES AND KIND OF LENDS ITSELF TO SUPPORT WHAT WE'RE DOING TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO WE'RE SAYING, HEY, LOOK, CITIZENS, WHERE HERE'S THIS MONEY GOING, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND HERE'S WHY STREETS ARE TAKING SO LONG.

RIGHT? SOME OF IT'S NOT US, RIGHT? SOME OF IT IS JUST WE'RE CATCHING MORE ISSUES EARLY BY CONTRACTING THAT OUT, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE A KIND OF A LIST OF VICTORIES THERE.

WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR QUALITY PROJECT RIGHT NOW.

ARE YOU? IT'S GREAT. WE CERTAINLY DO A FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT.

AND I WOULD SAY I THINK THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING A PLANNING IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE CONVERSATION WE HAVE WITH FIRE AND POLICE, WHERE NOT ONLY ARE WE TRYING TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH STAFF TO MEET THE DEMAND THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO PROJECT THE DEMANDS THAT ARE COMING.

AND THAT GOES TO A POINT OF KIND OF SHOWING THE CURRENT DEMAND VERSUS THE FUTURE.

SO I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT POINTS.

YEAH, THAT'S EXCELLENT. I'D LIKE TO COSIGN THE MAYOR'S REQUEST BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES WHERE WE DO HAVE SOME BOTH SOME SOME SUCCESSES THAT WE CAN POINT TO WHEN WE HAD ENOUGH BANDWIDTH, AS WELL AS SORT OF SOME PLACES WHERE IT SLIPPED A LITTLE BIT, WHERE LIKE WHEN WE ACTUALLY DID RUN OUT AND INSPECT, OH, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME WE FINALLY GOT AROUND TO IT AND THERE WERE SOME PROBLEMS. AND, AND WE WE MADE THE DEVELOPER FIX THOSE, WHICH ULTIMATELY IS A SUCCESS.

BUT I THINK IT GOES EXACTLY TO YOUR POINT WHERE WE KNOW WHERE WE STAND.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP.

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MY QUESTION IS REGARD IN REGARDS TO THE STREETS AND THE SIGNAGE AND THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH STOP SIGNS IN PLACE OR FOR THOSE PEOPLE, THOSE THAT FOLLOW THE TRAFFIC, YEAH, THE TRAFFIC OPERATIONS IS GOING TO BE PUT IN THE STOP SIGNS OUT AND MAKING SURE THE STOP SIGNS ARE ADEQUATE.

IF THEY GET KNOCKED OVER, THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU WIND UP RIGHT AS FAR AS WHERE STOP SIGNS GO.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A COMBINATION OF OUR ENGINEERING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENTS OF DOING THE STUDIES AND DECIDING.

SO TRAFFIC OPERATIONS IS OUT THERE DOING IT, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED, TRAFFIC OPERATIONS.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN HERE.

IS THAT INCLUDED IN HERE? I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE SHORTAGE OR SOMETHING AND EMPLOYEES EVERYWHERE.

BUT DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH OR IS IT IN HERE ANYWHERE? WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEW POSITIONS FOR TRAFFIC OPERATIONS RIGHT NOW IN THE BUDGET.

SO, NO, WE'RE WE HAVE ADEQUATE STAFFING RIGHT NOW.

YOU DO HAVE ADEQUATE STANDARDS.

OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE STAFFING AT ALL ANYWHERE ANYWAY.

I WAS JUST PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT GROUP BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'RE EXPANDING AND WITH THE EXPANSION, I DIDN'T WANT THEM TO GET LEFT OUT OF ANYTHING.

I'M PARTICULAR TO THEM BECAUSE OF MY SIGN TOP APPROPRIATE.

NOW I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO GET LEFT OUT.

BUT SERIOUSLY, I JUST HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT GROUP.

I WAS JUST WONDERING, IS IT IN HERE? BUT IF IT'S ADEQUATE STAFFING, I THINK WE'RE GOOD RIGHT NOW.

WE'LL BE KEEPING AN EYE ON IT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

NOW, THE FUN STUFF INTO THE THE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST.

SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I'LL JUST SAY THIS AGAIN AS WE START TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, WE PUT THESE IN TIERS JUST TO START A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL WHERE WE SEE AT LEAST SOME PRIORITY AND SOME GROUPINGS.

THE FIRST THREE TIERS ARE ALL FUNDED AT OUR PROPOSED BUDGET.

TIERS FOUR AND FIVE ARE NOT FUNDED, BUT THOSE ARE CERTAINLY FOR COUNCIL CONVERSATION.

BUT IN THE BUDGET THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU TIERS ONE, TWO AND THREE ON THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE, WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK IF WE NEED TO KIND OF SOLVE THE DIFFERENT TAX RATES THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THE TIERS IF WE DECIDED TO ONLY FUND ONE OR TWO OF THE TIERS INSTEAD OF ALL THREE.

AND THEN WE COULD EASILY TRACK WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL TIERS AS WELL.

SO IN TOTAL WE HAVE IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET 3.3 MILLION IN SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST.

MOST OF THOSE, THE VAST MAJORITY ARE PERSONNEL.

THESE ARE ONGOING COSTS, 250,000 OF THAT IS COUNCIL INITIATED SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST.

AND WE ARE GOING TO SHOW OUR INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS, INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS, AS THEY SERVE THE ENTIRE CITY, HAVE IMPACTS EVERYWHERE.

THEY HAVE IMPACTS ON THE UTILITY FUNDS, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE IMPACTS ON THE GENERAL FUND AS WELL FOR THE AMOUNT THAT GETS FUNDED BY THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE SERVICE.

AND SO WE'LL SEE THOSE LATER AS WELL.

HERE'S OUR TIERS AND YOU KIND OF SEE HOW THEY ROLL UP.

THE FIRST TIER HAS ABOUT $1.5 MILLION IN IT.

NEXT TIER HAS ABOUT A MILLION IN TIER THREE HAS 850,000.

WE ALSO ARE GOING TO GO OVER TIER FOUR AND FIVE.

IT SAYS REALLY IT'S IT SAYS INCREASE A SET IN $0.02 OVER.

THAT'S NOT QUITE TRUE. WE GET ABOUT RIGHT NOW WITH OUR IDS JUST CONTINUING TO INCREASE.

I'M SO USED TO SAYING WE GET $1.2 MILLION PER SET.

WE'RE NOW AT $1.4 MILLION.

SO EACH SET THAT WE INCREASE IS ABOUT $1.4 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO GENERAL FUND.

JUST SO I CAN HAVE THE RIGHT FRAME AROUND BRIEFLY BASED ON YOUR EARLIER SLIDE ON THE TAX RATE DISCUSSION, THAT IS SO IF WE DO THE NO NEW NO NEW REVENUE RATE, IF WE HIT THAT, WE'D HAVE TO GO FIND $2.6 MILLION JUST WITHOUT ANY TIER STUFF, JUST THE STUFF YOU'VE PRESENTED.

WE'VE GOT TO GO BACK AND FIND 2.6 MILLION.

THEN IF WE GO TO THEN TIER ONE, IT GOES IN THE PROPOSED YOU COVER, AS YOU SAID, ONE, TWO, THREE, KIND OF THE SUPPLEMENTALS, RIGHT? SO IF WE WENT TO IF WE'RE AT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND $2.6 MILLION IN SAVINGS FROM THE START TO BE FUNDED. RIGHT. NONE OF THIS WOULD BE FUNDED AND ALL THE STUFF YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT WOULD BE DIMINISHED.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT A BIG NUMBER THAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR.

BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S NOT A THING THAT'S WORTH I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE COMPENSATION WOULD BE THE FIRST THING TO LOOK AT.

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THANK YOU. THIS IS FINE.

AND THIS IS PROBABLY GOOD TO LOOK AT BEFORE WE GET INTO SUPPLEMENTALS AS WELL.

AS YOU SAID, AT THE REVENUE RATE, WE'LL HAVE 2.6 MILLION UNDER.

IF WE DID NO SUPPLEMENTALS, WE'D BE UP AT 52.9 CENTS.

TIER ONE IS $0.54, JUST HALF A CENT MORE FOR TIER TWO.

AND TIER THREE IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

AND I WILL SAY AND THIS WAS IN THE GENERAL FUND AS WELL, AND I SHOULD POINT OUT ON THE FORECAST, THIS JUST SHOW A SURPLUS RIGHT NOW IN THE GENERAL FUND FORECAST OF 400,000.

WE WILL NOT WE WON'T ADOPT A BUDGET WITH A SURPLUS OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADOPT A TAX RATE THAT HAS EXCESS FUNDS.

JUST THIS JUST ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE UNCERTAINTY THINGS AS WE GO FORWARD AND WE'LL GET COUNSEL'S DIRECTION AND WE GET MORE INFORMATION ON THE ABS, WE'LL BRING THAT BACK AND THROUGH THAT UP. I DID WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.

GO AHEAD.

ALL RIGHT. SO HERE'S OUR TIER ONE FUNDING.

WE DID WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE HAD THIS COUNCIL INITIATIVE BECAUSE WE DID GIVE DIRECTION PREVIOUSLY TO INCLUDE THIS IN THE IN THE BUDGET CONVERSATIONS THAT PAID PARENTAL LEAVE AT $230,000, INCLUDING THAT FOR AS AN ADDITIONAL ENHANCED PROGRAM FOR ALL PARENTAL LEAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, WE HAVE A STARTER THAT IS AN EXISTING POSITION, THAT IS A GRANT FUNDED POSITION THAT WE'RE SHIFTING OVER TO THE GENERAL FUND.

SO REALLY THAT NEEDS TO BE IN TIER ONE, NOT ONLY FOR THE IMPORTANCE OF THE POSITION, BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT IS AN EXISTING POSITION THAT WE'RE SHIFTING OVER.

YOU CAN SEE THE FIVE POLICE OFFICERS SWORN POSITIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.

THE TOTAL COST OF THAT IS 634,000 RECURRING.

AND THAT SAYS ONE TIME EXPENSES, THE VEHICLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AS WE BRING A NEW OFFICER ON BOARD, WE'VE GOT TWO JAILERS.

THESE ARE CIVILIAN POSITIONS, WHICH IS THE DEMAND THAT WE HAVE AT THE JAIL.

AND YOU CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL.

IS THAT FIGURE THE 180, IS THAT SALARY PLUS BENEFITS? IS THAT NUMBER REPRESENTS? AND THEN WE HAVE A HUMAN AN HR POSITION HERE.

AND OBVIOUSLY YOU LOOK AT PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNITY SERVICES AND EXPECT TO SEE THOSE IN TIER ONE WITH ALL THE POSITIONS THAT WE'RE INCREASING NOT ONLY THIS YEAR BUT MID-YEAR AND LAST YEAR, A YEAR BEFORE.

IT JUST CREATES A DEMAND ON THOSE THOSE ADMIN SERVICES THAT YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT, THAT HR IS ONE THAT WE NEED.

IT WILL GET SPREAD AMONGST DEPARTMENTS, AMONGST FUNDS.

BUT IT IS A POSITION THAT AS WE'RE ADDING TO OTHER POSITIONS, WE REALLY NEED THAT EXTRA SUPPORT FROM H.R.

IN THE WHITE PAPER. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF METRICS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT KIND OF SHOW, THE NUMBERS THAT GOT US THERE.

BUT IT'S CERTAINLY A NEED.

IS IT GENERALLY ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 TO 1 FOR HR STAFF? IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, BUT IT'S NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THAT OC AND IT'S TAKING US LONGER FOR RECRUITMENT.

EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING IS JUST THEY DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE STAFFING.

YOU'LL SEE ANOTHER POSITION IN TIER TWO WHEN YOU ADD POLICE, FIRE, ANY OTHER JOBS AND PUT THOSE OUT THERE.

AND DON'T ADD TO YOUR INTERNAL SERVICE FUND YOUR SERVICES LIKE HR OR OTHERS, IT JUST CREATES A BACKUP THAT JUST IS UNMANAGEABLE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING THINKS THAT'S TIER ONE TIER TO CONTINUE ON WITH HR. WE HAVE ANOTHER HR POSITION IN TIER TWO.

HERE'S HERE'S WHERE YOU SEE OUR FIRING POSITIONS.

WE HAVE TWO DRIVERS IN THE FIRE AND FIRE AND A FIRE INSPECTOR THAT THAT IS NEEDED.

SO WE HAVE TO GET AN ADDITIONAL FORENSIC INVESTIGATOR FOR POLICE.

SO ILLEGAL IS GETTING SOME OF THAT.

WE WILL HAVE AN INTERN THAT WE'RE ADDING IN TIER TWO DESPERATELY NEEDED CLEANING SERVICES.

THAT'S ONE MONTH OF OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES.

SO THESE ARE HERE BECAUSE THESE ARE PART OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING STRATEGY.

AND IN OUR PLAN THAT WE HAD AND DANNY CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO THAT, BUT THESE ARE IN LINE WITH THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE LAID OUT, THE LANDLORD RENTAL, MAINTENANCE, AND THEN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCENTIVE PACKAGE.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE OUR LIBRARIAN THAT WE HAVE ADDED NOW, BOTH OF THEM, BOTH THE REGULAR LIBRARY AND ADULT SERVICES LIBRARIAN.

YES. BRIEFLY, WHAT IS THE LANDLORD? RENTAL. MAINTENANCE GRANT.

I DARE YOU.

I'LL SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT IT. IT IS IT IS IN THE STRATEGY.

SO PART PART OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING STRATEGIC TOOLKIT, RECOMMENDED TO CREATE NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WAS TO PROVIDE A GRANT TO LANDLORDS WHO WILL

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SO IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT GRANT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO THEN RENT TO AN INCOME QUALIFIED RENTER.

OKAY. SO IS THAT IS THAT A WRITTEN AGREEMENT AS PART OF THAT? GRANT YES. YEAH.

WE WOULD DO AN INFORMAL CONTRACT WITH THE LANDLORD AND THEN WE WOULD REVIEW THOSE INCOME CERTIFICATIONS EVERY TIME A NEW RENTER WOULD TRANSITION IN ON THAT AFFORDABILITY. AND THE REASON I ASK IS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE DO WANT A LANDLORD AND I JUST I STRUGGLE WITH WITH THE CITY'S PAYING FOR REPAIRS.

AND IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, THEN HAVE WE DECIDED, DID YOU DECIDE OR DID THE CONSULTANT DECIDE THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LARGE RANGE OF AFFORDABILITY AS FAR AS BASED UPON AREA MEDIAN INCOME.

WHAT ARE THOSE GUIDELINES NOW? SO WE'LL WORK THROUGH WHAT THE REPORT.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT 60% AFFORDABILITY AND THEN IT HAS TO REMAIN AFFORDABLE OVER FIVE YEARS WITH A MAXIMUM GRANT OF 25,000.

THAT'S CURRENTLY HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.

WE WILL MAYBE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS OVER TIME AS WE LOOK AT IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LIKE.

AND IT WAS MATCHED BY THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE WITH 100,000 TO.

SO WE HAVE BOTH THE FLEXIBILITY OF GENERAL FUNDS THAT ALLOW US TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE, BUT THEN THE CDBG FUNDS AS WELL TO KIND OF DOUBLE THE GRANTS, I GUESS I REALLY ENCOURAGE US TO LOOK AT BECAUSE I MEAN, 60%, OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE HAVE A NEED AT 60%.

THE GREATEST NEED TO SOME DEGREE ARE THOSE LEVELS LOWER THAN THAT.

SO I GUESS THOSE GUIDELINES AND THINGS WILL BE COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION AND ALL THAT IS, YES, WE THEY'RE ILLEGAL RIGHT NOW.

AND SO IF YOU APPROVE THESE FUNDS, WE APPRECIATE KIND OF A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THAT.

IS THERE ANY KIND OF I DON'T KNOW, A BETTER TERM, IS THERE ANY KIND OF KIND OF MEANS TESTING TO THAT MEANING THAT SOME OF THE CRITERIA OR SOME OF THE POINT STRUCTURE OR SOMETHING THAT A LANDLORD THAT'S OFFERING AN AFFORDABLE PROPERTY CALL IT AFFORDABLE SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE, AN AFFORDABLE RENT PROPERTY THAT IS OLDER, DISTRESSED, REALLY NEEDS THE REPAIRS VERSUS THERE'S A BRAND.

NEW PROPERTY THAT NEEDS A SPRINKLER REPAIR.

THERE'S A BIG LITTLE FLIP.

BUT KNOW THERE'S A THERE'S A 40 YEAR PROPERTY VERSUS A 20 YEAR OLD PROPERTY.

THE 40 YEAR PROPERTY DOES IT FOR A LANDLORD THAT HAS.

OTHER MEANS TO MAKE THOSE REPAIRS.

LOOK AT THAT. THAT'S THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY A PART OF THE EVALUATION CRITERIA, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.

WE ARE LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT THE OWNER HAS THE ABILITY TO AFFORD.

BUT OUR GOAL REALLY IS TO MAKE THE UNIT AFFORDABLE REGARDLESS OF THE LANDLORD'S RESOURCES.

SO GET A COMMITMENT THAT INCREASES THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS AVAILABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE JUST AS THAT'S FIRMED UP AS THIS PROGRAM CRITERIA ARE AFFIRMED.

CAN WE GET MORE INFORMATION ON THAT? BECAUSE I CAN JUST IMAGINE WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME QUESTIONS.

YES. THIS THIS PROPERTY OVER HERE GOT A CITY GRANT.

THIS PROPERTY OVER HERE HAS BEEN FALLEN APART FOR 50 YEARS.

AND IT'S NOT NOTHING'S CHANGING.

AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE WANT THE MONEY TO GO IS, AS I SAID, THE GOAL IS TO BRING UP THE QUALITY OF HOUSING AND THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO FACTOR THAT IN AND COUNT A LOT TO ASK.

WE'LL BE BRINGING IT TO YOU FOR COMMENT.

IS THERE AN EQUIVALENT OF AN OCI FOR HOUSING? THERE ISN'T, AND NOT ANY COMMUNITIES ARE DOING IT.

WE LOOKED AT IT WHEN WE LOOKED AT RENTAL INSPECTION AS A POSSIBLE PROGRAM IN THE FUTURE.

SO WE'RE EVALUATING, BUT THERE ARE HABITABILITY STANDARDS THAT WE COULD.

I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED IN THOSE.

YEAH, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE JUST DON'T HAVE A NICE STANDARD MEASURE OF THAT.

ARE THESE GRANTS BASED ON IS IT A REBATE PROGRAM OR IS IT ON THE INVOICE? CURRENTLY, IT IS A GRANT THAT IS REIMBURSABLE.

IT MEANS SPEND THE MONEY FIRST AND THEN WE WOULD REIMBURSE FOR IT.

WE DO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY, THOUGH, TO BE ABLE TO HELP AND THAT MIGHT BE A REASON TO LOOK AT THE LANDLORDS ABILITY TO PAY AND THE AGE OF THE UNIT TO KIND OF QUALIFY.

IF WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THAT, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED YET.

OH YEAH. OKAY.

ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A COMMITTEE FOR THAT OR YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT ALL OVER NOW? WE ARE PLANNING TO DO IT IN HOUSE, BUT WE DO HAVE THE CDC THAT'S RECOMMENDED TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY EVALUATOR.

SO I WASN'T SURE IF YOU'RE FINISHED WITH TIER TWO.

YEAH. SO IF WE GO BACK TO TIER TWO, I'LL JUST SAY AND THIS IS THIS IS PREMATURE.

BUT IF WE DO IF THIS IS FUNDED AND THIS IS IMPLEMENTED, THAT DIGITAL FORENSICS INVESTIGATOR, I'M GOING TO HAVE A REQUEST THAT THAT ALSO

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I JUST I DON'T SEE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND THAT ROLE UNDERSTANDING THIS POLICE UNDERSTANDING THEY HAVE A TON TO DO.

BUT FOR ME, JUST AS AN INDIVIDUAL, I THINK WE NEED TO I JUST IT CAN'T BE, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO PLEASE THE CITIZENS TIGHTER AND TIGHTEN UP THESE THINGS AND NOT HAVE A MECHANISM FOR US.

BECAUSE THAT'S JUST I THINK THERE IS SOME KIND OF AND THIS IS NOT A DEPARTMENT THAT REPORTS DIRECTLY TO US, WHICH IS GOOD, YOU KNOW.

SO THAT'S THAT'S MY THOUGHT.

AND THAT, AGAIN, PREMATURE WON'T GUIDE MY DECISION ON WHETHER TO FUND IT OR NOT.

BUT IF IT IS FUNDED, I'M GOING TO HAVE SOME REQUEST ON HOW THAT'S DONE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL IS CLEAR ABOUT THE THE DIGITAL FORENSIC INVESTIGATORS ARE GOING TO BE SOMEBODY THAT GOES IN ON A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION WHERE THEY HAVE SEARCH WARRANTS TO BE ABLE TO GET DIGITAL INFORMATION OFF OF DEVICES AND OTHER SOURCES.

THEY KNOW CRIMINAL CASES.

YEAH. AND I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I LIVED IN THAT WORLD WHEN I WORKED IN A LEGAL INDUSTRY.

BUT ALSO, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY THE SKILL SET I'M LOOKING FOR.

RIGHT. BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST FULL DISCLOSURE IF IT'S NOT A FIXED AWARD.

RIGHT NOW, MACK SENDS A REQUEST.

SEND ME YOUR TEXT MESSAGES.

RIGHT. HALF THE TIME YOU GET PICTURES.

PICTURES YOU CAN'T AUTHENTICATE, PICTURES YOU CAN'T DATE SNAP PICTURES.

YOU CAN MANIPULATE PICTURES.

RIGHT. AND SO NOW WE'RE PRODUCING A BUNCH OF SCREENSHOTS THAT HAVE NO DIGITAL FINGERPRINT.

THERE'S NO THERE'S NO HASHTAG, THERE'S NO NOTHING TO SEARCH BACK TO.

RIGHT. AND SO I THINK TO THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

WE NEED TO WE'RE ALMOST A $2 BILLION CITY.

WE SHOULD BE MORE SOUND IN OUR BEST PRACTICES WHEN IT COMES TO ESPECIALLY THIS BODY NEEDS TO LEAD THAT WAY IN MY ESTIMATION.

SO YEAH, I TRACK WITH YOU, BUT I THINK THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S IT.

LIKE, HEY, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO FIND THE DELETED TEXT MESSAGES, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO BACK AND DO THESE THINGS, NOT SAYING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE OTHER STUFF TO DO.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT FOR TODAY, BUT I'M JUST I WANTED TO GIVE YOU FAIR WARNING WHEN I SAW THAT THAT'S WHAT CAME TO MIND SO THAT IT'S NOT A SURPRISE IF IT'S FUNDED AND I BRING IT UP LATER.

SO ARE TIER THREE SUPPLEMENTALS WHERE YOU SEE THOSE PLANNING AND BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND THEN OUR DISPATCH AND PASS POSITIONS.

SO YOU SEE THAT THE PLANNING POSITIONS, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF INSTITUTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEY'RE ALSO SOME OF THEIR FUNCTIONS.

AND THIS WOULD JUST BE A COURSE OF MANAGING THE DEMAND THAT WE HAVE FROM THE OUTSIDE.

ALSO, AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THE SMALL AREA PLANS, DOING THE LONG RANGE PLANNING AS WELL IS PART PART OF THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PRINCIPAL PLANNER, BUT THEN REALLY DRIVEN BY THE DEMAND THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE BUILDING INSPECTION, DRIVEN BY DEMAND BOTH ON THE RESIDENTIAL BUT ALSO THE MULTIFAMILY SIDE, THE WHITE PAPER GOES INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT OUR EXPANDED SCOPE AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WITH THE APARTMENTS AND THE AMOUNT OF INSPECTIONS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN THE INCREASING NUMBER OF INSPECTIONS THAT WE HAVE ON BUILDING INSPECTION POLICE, WE ARE ADDING TWO ADDITIONAL DISPATCH POSITIONS.

WE'VE TOUCHED ON THOSE NUMBERS PREVIOUSLY ON THE DEMAND THAT WE HAVE.

AND I'LL BE HONEST, THE DEMAND IS SIGNIFICANT ON THIS BATCH.

THAT NUMBER COULD EVEN BE MORE.

WE CAN'T HIRE ENOUGH DISPATCHERS TO MEET THE POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

SO IT WOULD BE IF WE WERE 100, WE WERE ABLE TO HIRE ALL THE DISPATCHERS THAT WE NEED.

WE COULD EVEN BE ASKING FOR MORE RIGHT NOW.

BUT THE TRUTH IS, WE JUST IT'S SO DIFFICULT TO HIRE DISPATCHERS.

WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TRY TO MOVE THAT AROUND.

SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY TWO PARTS POSITIONS.

ONE IS THAT THE TENNIS EXPANDED HOURS FOR OUR TENNIS POSITIONS IS AS WE'RE EXPANDING THE HOURS AT THE TENNIS COURTS, ASSOCIATE A POSITION WITH THAT NOT TOO MUCH OF AN IMPACT. THE AQUATICS TECHNICIAN AT THE NATATORIUM THIS IS SOME EXPANDED HOURS AND REALLY FOCUSED ON SAFETY TESTING OF OF THE POOLS. THIS IS ALSO OFFSET BY SOME DSD CONTRIBUTION AS WE GO FORWARD WITH OUR AGREEMENT, BUT REALLY A SAFETY ORIENTED POSITION.

THAT'S WHY YOU SEE IT.

SO THESE ARE TIER FOUR.

THESE ARE NOT FUNDED TO FOUR OR FIVE.

AGAIN, NOT FUNDED.

ONE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL FOLD INCREASE.

YOU TALKED ABOUT COMPENSATION, ABOUT THE 3% CODE THAT WE HAVE AND A 2% ONE TIME.

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SO FOR COUNCILS, CONSIDERATION WOULD BE ANOTHER INCREASE, BUT NOT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

THE SPONSORSHIP, SPONSORSHIP AND CO SPONSORSHIP INCREASING THE FUNDS FOR THOSE THE SPONSORSHIP WAS A CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD WITH THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE.

SAME THING WITH THE SPONSORSHIPS.

THIS SHOULD BE INCREASING FUNDS THAT CAN GO OUT TO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, PUTTING ON EVENTS AND OTHER RESOURCES.

YES. I'D LIKE TO GIVE THE COUNCILORS A LITTLE BIT INSIGHT IN THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD IN THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, INVITE MY FELLOW COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO CHIME IN IF I GET ANYTHING WRONG OR IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

SO WE ALLOCATE OR RECOMMEND THE COUNCIL AN ALLOCATION OF FUNDS, WHICH IS JUST KIND OF A SET NUMBER.

THAT'S WHAT COMES IN.

THERE'S A FUN BALANCE TO TALK ABOUT THERE, BUT IT'S BASICALLY A SET NUMBER TO DEAL WITH THAT WE GET FROM THE BUDGET FOLKS EVERY YEAR.

THEN SPONSORSHIP AND CO SPONSORSHIP.

WE ARE DOING A BETTER JOB NOW OF TRACKING WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING IN-KIND THAN WE USED TO.

WE SPENT THIS YEAR OVER 400,000 IN-KIND IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET YEAR UNBUDGETED BASICALLY SAYING THAT WE HAD BUDGETED TO DO IN-KIND. THAT'S POLICE AND FIRE EMS SERVICES, THAT'S PARKS AND REC, THAT'S PUTTING OUT TRASH BARRELS AND TAKING THEM UP, PREPPING FOR BIG FESTIVALS, BEING THERE AT THEM, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

WE HAD BUDGETED ABOUT 250 LAST YEAR IN THE LAST BUDGET CYCLE AND SPENT OVER FOUR.

SO ACTUALLY I WOULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THIS ISN'T REALLY A SUPPLEMENTAL.

THIS IS A SUPPLEMENTAL THAT CATCHES US UP TO WHAT WE PAID, WHAT WE DID, WHAT WE COVERED LAST YEAR.

SO NOT COVERING THIS, NOT FUNDING THE SUPPLEMENTAL IS ACTUALLY REDUCING SERVICES THAT WE'RE RENDERING NOW TO THE CITY.

AND PART OF THAT IS THAT GROUPS THAT HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN PUTTING ON EVENTS AND THAT WE HAVE BEEN OFFERING IN-KIND SERVICES FOR, WE WEREN'T DOING A GOOD JOB OF CAPTURING WHAT THE TRUE COST OF THOSE WERE.

SO WE WEREN'T ACCURATELY BUDGETING FOR THAT.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S JUST KIND OF A IT'S A PROBLEM.

WE CAME BY HONESTLY, BUT BY NOT FUNDING ADDITIONAL IN-KIND SPONSORSHIP FOR ESPECIALLY LARGE EVENTS, WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE REDUCING SERVICES TO THE CITY BECAUSE LET'S SAY THERE'S A LARGE FESTIVAL AND IT'S IN A BIG CITY PARK AND IT'S A SIGNATURE EVENT THAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR.

AND WE ALL WANT TO HAPPEN EVERY YEAR THAT.

WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT EVENT WOULDN'T HAPPEN IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE SPONSORSHIP.

WE'RE SAYING THAT THEY WOULD BE COVERING A LOT MORE COST THAN WE'VE EVER ASKED THEM TO BEFORE BECAUSE WE'VE TRADITIONALLY OFFERED THOSE SERVICES.

WE JUST WEREN'T GOING TO DO A GOOD JOB CHARGING.

THE OTHER HALF OF THE IN-KIND IS THESE ARE AMOUNTS THAT WE TELL GROUPS THEY MUST PAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOUR EVENT, HERE'S HOW MUCH IT COST TO HAVE YOUR EVENT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE POLICE. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE FIRE, YOU GOT TO HAVE EMS, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE PARK SERVICES.

SO THIS IS THE AMOUNT THAT WE WE INVOICE TO GROUPS AND THE CO-SPONSORSHIP IS OFFSETTING WHAT NONPROFITS ARE HAVING TO PAY FOR, WHAT COMMUNITY GROUPS ARE HAVING TO PAY.

I KIND OF MAKE AN ARGUMENT FOR ALL THE TIER FOUR TO BE FURTHER UP IN THE TIER LIST.

AND I MAKE AN ARGUMENT, FRANKLY, FOR KUDOS TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR FOR CALLING THIS CITY MANAGEMENT.

I CALL THOSE COUNCIL INITIATIVES AND I PUT THE COLA RIGHT UP IN THERE THAT THEY'RE COUNTIES AND CITIES SPENDING MAKE SERIOUS MONEY ON RETENTION IN THIS BUDGET CYCLE, MAKING THE NEWS WITH THE EMPLOYEE RETENTION THAT THEY'RE SPENDING.

SO I'D ALMOST SAY THAT THESE ARE TIER FOUR IS A COUNCIL INITIATIVE TIER AND NEED TO MAKE NEEDS TO MAKE ITS WAY FURTHER OUT AS A AS A PACKAGE, NOT NECESSARILY TO BUMP THE SUPPLEMENTALS THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE SENT FORWARD, BUT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT ANY KIND OF SURPLUS WHATSOEVER.

HOLY MOLY. THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT THIS IS MAINTAINING STATUS QUO.

YEAH, AND I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT, COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, BECAUSE ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF LIVING HAVING INCREASED FROM LAST YEAR TO NINE AND A HALF PERCENT THIS YEAR, BEING ABLE TO GIVE EMPLOYEES COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT AT 4%, CERTAINLY NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN HALF.

BUT BUT WE CERTAINLY HEAR ABOUT IT.

GAS, FOOD AND AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE WANT TO RETAIN OUR EMPLOYEES.

WE HAVE A WONDERFUL WORKFORCE.

WE HAVE A WONDERFUL GROUP OF DIRECTORS.

AND I HAVE SOME STATISTICS FROM OTHER CITIES.

AND WHAT THEY'RE GIVING ONE CITY IS GIVING A 6% INCREASE.

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SO THERE ARE OTHERS OUT THERE, BUT I WANT TO STAY COMPETITIVE BECAUSE THE NEXT THING WE SEE THEN IS TO START TO LOSE EMPLOYEES.

AND IT COST US, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH, BUT MORE THAN 1500 TO 3000 PER EMPLOYEE TO BRING THEM ON.

ONE LAST THING ON THE SPONSORSHIP, SO DON'T LEAVE OUT.

ONE OF THE THINGS YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT ON THE COMMITTEE WAS DIVERSIFYING WHAT WE SPONSOR AND DIVERSIFYING WHAT WE SUPPORT.

IF YOU LOOK AT OUR IN-KIND BUDGET, THERE'S ONE EVENT THAT, AGAIN, A BIG SIGNATURE EVENT THAT WE ALL ARE GLAD.

WE'RE ALL GLAD IS HERE AND WE'RE GLAD IT HAPPENS.

BUT IT TAKES UP ALMOST 50% OF THE ENTIRE CO-SPONSORSHIP IN 51.

51. YEAH.

I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER WHEN WE FINALLY GOT IT FINALLY SHOWED THAT MORE THAN HALF OF THE TIME BUDGET THAT COULD BE FINE.

AND THAT'S THE COMMITTEE LOOKED AT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG SIGNATURE EVENT THAT WE ALL WANT TO HAPPEN.

AND IT BRINGS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO THE CITY AS WELL.

BUT OTHER GROUPS ARE OUT THERE.

THEY'RE PUTTING ON GREAT EVENTS AND THEY'RE BRINGING REVENUE TO THE CITY AS WELL AND BRINGING GOOD CULTURE TO THE CITY.

AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SPREAD THE WEALTH A LITTLE BIT AND NOT JUST HAVE ONE BIG EVENT EVERY YEAR.

THAT'S THE BIG CITY SPONSORED EVENT.

I WANT TO PROVIDE JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS OF CLARIFICATION.

SO IN TERMS OF THE CASH SPONSORSHIP, THAT ADDITIONAL 12,000 DOES REPRESENT AN ACTUAL INCREASE, RIGHT? IN TERMS OF THE IN-KIND IF IF WE WERE TO FUND THE ADDITIONAL 150,000 BUDGETED AMOUNT IN REAL ACTUAL DOLLAR TERMS, THAT REPRESENTS A DECREASE IN HOW MUCH WE'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING ON IN-KIND SPONSORSHIPS.

I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS CLEAR THAT WHEN THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE PUT TOGETHER OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT BOTH THE CASH SPONSORSHIP AND THE IN-KIND SPONSORSHIP WOULD BE FUNDED.

SO IF THOSE DON'T GET FUNDED, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ASK SOME FOLKS TO PAY A WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY FOR THEIR BUTTS THAN THEY WERE ANTICIPATING.

AND WE'RE ALREADY ASKING THEM TO PAY MORE THAN THEY WERE ANTICIPATING JUST BY BY PUTTING A FIRMER CAP ON THAT IN-KIND SPONSORSHIP.

SO, YES, SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THEN.

SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.

SO WE HAVE IN-KIND CONTRIBUTIONS, LET'S SAY, WHAT IS IT, HALF MILLION DOLLARS, 400,000 A YEAR? WHAT WOULD A 200,000? WHAT IS IT? IT WAS 250, STUPID.

SO WE ACTUALLY WE'RE SPENDING MUCH MORE.

OKAY, SO THE 250 WAS BUDGETED, BUT WE'RE SPENDING MORE THAN THAT.

AND SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS CO SPONSORSHIP IN-KIND IS TRYING TO GO AHEAD AND GET THAT DELTA IN THE BUDGET OR MOST OF IT, BUT NOT ALL OF IT. YES, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO MOST OF IT, BUT NOT ALSO AND NOT ALL OF IT.

BUT WE ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GOT SOME EMAILS FROM SOME FOLKS, WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE GUIDELINES FOR HOW MUCH FUNDING YOU CAN GET FOR YOUR EVENT OR FOR A PARTICULAR LINE ITEM. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY MORE THAN 50% OF OUR PERMIT FEES.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO USE A BIG CITY PARK FOR YOUR EVENT.

THEN THERE'S A FEE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

PART OF OUR IN-KIND COULD BE OFFSETTING THAT FEE SO THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST HANDING THE CITY CASH FOR SOMETHING WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO HAVE, BUT WE'VE HAD TO TO MAKE SURE THERE'S MONEY GOING AROUND. AND IT'S NOT JUST ALL SUNK INTO A FEW BIG EVENTS.

WE'VE CAPPED, FOR INSTANCE, THAT PARK PERMIT FEE AT 50%.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO WAIVE MORE THAN THAT OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO GRANT YOU MORE THAN 50% OF THAT.

SO IT'S KIND OF A MAGUIRE SAYS IT'S ALL A DRAW BACK ON THE ACTUAL LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE'RE OFFERING.

NOT A LEVEL I SHOULDN'T SAY LEVEL OF SERVICE, THE LEVEL OF SUPPORT WE'RE GETTING.

I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY FIND WAYS TO GET AWAY FROM GETTING SOMETHING AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVING THIS HUGE DELTA OF IN-KIND.

SERVICES THAT ARE MORE I MEAN, IF IF WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY, WE NEED TO PUT IT IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE, NUMBER ONE, IT'S MORE TRANSPARENT AND IT HELPS US.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO SAY WITH THESE ONE TIME 2022 EXPENDITURES OF 2.7 MILLION BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN SALES TAX THAT YOU PRESENTED EARLIER.

I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH.

WE'RE WRESTLING WITH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WANT TO FUND ALL THESE SUPPLEMENTALS.

AND THEN WE'RE SAYING WE JUST GOT $2.6 MILLION WORTH OF EXTRA FROM THIS CURRENT BUDGET THAT WE DIDN'T BUDGET FOR.

AND WE'RE SPENDING THEM ON ONE TIME EXPENSES THAT HAVEN'T APPEARED IN THE BUDGET ANYWHERE.

AND SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE, HOW CAN WE FIND A WAY INSTEAD OF DOING THOSE AD HOC THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THOSE ONE TIME EXPENDITURES COMING BACK AT THIS

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SOME OF THESE ARE JUST ONE TIME LIKE THIS COLA.

THAT'S THE ONE. I MEAN, IT'S COLD.

I MEAN, IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S REOCCURRING EACH BUDGET CYCLE.

I MEAN, YOU'RE ASSUMING BUT LIKE NEXT BUT LET'S SAY IN 2024, IF INFLATION IS DOWN, ARE WE GOING TO STILL BUDGET 4%? LET'S SAY IF WE DO THAT FOR A COLA PLUS A 2% MEASURE.

SO THAT COLA COLA IS INCREASING EVERYONE'S SALARY BY 3% OR SO.

IT'S NOT A ONE TIME THING. OKAY.

NOW, ONLY ONE TIME IN OUR SUPPLEMENTALS ARE TIED TO RECURRING.

NOTHING IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL.

IT'S JUST TRUE. I GUESS I JUST WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY THAT WHEN WE HAD THESE SURPLUSES IN REVENUE THAT WE DON'T ANTICIPATE, THAT WE DON'T BUDGET FOR, HOW CAN WE TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THE NEXT IN THAT CURRENT BUDGET CYCLE INSTEAD OF BECAUSE WE'VE GOT $2.6 MILLION, WHICH TO ME A SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST FOR THE CURRENT BUDGET THAT WE DIDN'T ASK FOR BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY.

I MEAN, IS BASICALLY WHAT IT IS, IS THAT AM I MISSING CONSTRUING THAT? I THINK I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO BE IN THE SPOT WHERE YOU'RE TAKING YOUR INCREASE YOUR EXCESS IN ONE YEAR AND DEVOTING IT TO RECURRING. NO, NO. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE'S PROBABLY SOME THINGS IN THESE SUPPLEMENTALS.

LIKE, ARE YOU SAYING ALL THE SUPPLEMENTALS ARE ONGOING? THERE'S NO ONE TIME. THERE'S THERE'S SOME ONE TIME COST FOR POLICE VEHICLES THAT GO ALONG WITH THE RECURRING COST.

THERE'S NO WHAT THAT'S THE REASON YOU SAW THAT IS WE TOOK ALL THE ONE TIME OUT OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL LIST AND PUT IT IN THERE.

SO I JUST STRUGGLE WITH THAT.

I STRUGGLE WITH HAVING THESE EXCESSES THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE FIND A WAY TO DO IT.

AND THEN WE'RE COMING HERE TRYING TO PICK AND CHOOSE FROM ALL THESE STUFF, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ONGOING.

BUT I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU IF YOU WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE PAST FIVE BUDGETS.

MY HUNCH IS, EXCEPT MAYBE FOR IT WAS A 2020 WHEN WE HAD THE 4% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE ALWAYS ARE IN THIS SITUATION.

WE'VE GOT EXTRA SOMETHING THAT WE SORT OF SPENT ON ONE TIME EXPENSES AND I KNOW THAT'S THE PROCESS, BUT THEN WE SPEND ALL THIS TIME.

I MEAN, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE 150 OR THE 12,000, BUT I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH IF WE'RE STILL SPENDING MORE MONEY THAN THAT THAT WE'RE NOT SHOWING IN THE BUDGET FOR IN-KIND SERVICES.

WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO PAY AND EVERYBODY ELSE JUST NEEDS TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE.

AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND THAT'S WE HAVE THE PROCESS NOW.

WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.

SO THE PROCESS STUFF STAFF COMPLETELY REVAMPED TO REFLECT THAT.

YES THIS WAS A PROBLEM, A MAJOR PROBLEM AND WE WANT IT TO GET FIXED BECAUSE IT WAS MISLEADING FROM A BUDGETARY STANDPOINT.

IT WAS MISLEADING FROM A TAXPAYER ASK THE QUESTION.

BUT IT WAS ALSO NOT FAIR TO OUR NONPROFIT GROUPS AND OTHERS WHO CONTINUE TO ASK OR EVEN NEW GROUPS THAT WANT TO COME IN AND DO AN EVENT.

WE NEEDED TO GIVE YOU ACCURATE INFORMATION FOR A BETTER INFORMED DECISION.

GOOD. THANKS. ALSO THIS JUST AWAY FROM THE MONEY PART AND LOOKING AT OUR OUR REPUTATION AS A CITY THAT INVITES FESTIVALS, INVITING PEOPLE TO DO NEW THINGS AND TRY NEW THINGS, AND THEY COME TO US FOR ASSISTANCE.

WE FOUND OUT THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY OVERDOING.

SO I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT I'M SEEING HERE AND ALSO INCLUDING THE ONE TIME COST OF THOSE THINGS ARE NEEDED.

I'M JUST LOOKING AT IF WE NEED A NEW PATROL CAR BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW PATROL OFFICER, THAT THAT HAS TO BE SHOWN SOMEWHERE.

SO BUT JUST GETTING BACK TO DAVID'S WAS TALKING ABOUT AND WE WERE SITTING THERE AND DELIBERATING HOW MUCH WE WERE GOING TO GIVE. THAT WAS THE MOST DIFFICULT TASK TO DO BECAUSE WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE SATISFIED IN SOME KIND OF WAY.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO PULL IT OFF, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF CUTTING.

BUT JUST JUST THE IDEA OF HAVING TO DO THAT, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SERVE RIGHT HERE.

SO. IF I MAY, AND I'LL FLOAT IT TO ANYONE THAT CAN ANSWER WHETHER MY FELLOW COUNCILORS ARE DAVID OR SARAH THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS TO BE NOT REALLY SUPPLEMENTAL, BUT WHAT WE WERE SPENDING.

AND THE ONLY EXCEPTION TO THAT WAS THE COLA.

AND THAT GOES TO OUR STRATEGIC GOAL OF INSTITUTIONAL EXCELLENCE IN A TIME OF LABOR SHORTAGE WHERE WE CANNOT WE CAN ILL AFFORD WE'RE ADDING POSITIONS AND WE CAN ILL AFFORD TO TO COUNTER THAT BY LOSING TALENT.

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IT'S A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT IT IS MORE THAN WE WERE SPENDING THAT'S TRYING TO HELP SOME NEW GROUPS TO THINK.

THANK YOU, GUYS. I APPRECIATE IT.

THAT'S RIGHT. FOUR OR FIVE.

AGAIN, THIS IS NOT NOT FUNDED RIGHT NOW.

AND THESE ARE ALL POSITIONS.

WE'VE GOT ANOTHER LIBRARY POSITION.

THIS IS OR TWO LIBRARY POSITIONS WHEN IN ACTUALITY THIS IS FOR THE ADDITIONAL HOURS SOUTH BRANCH AND INCREASE OUR STAFF AT THE NORTH BRANCH LIBRARY.

THE POLICE ADMIN POSITION IS A BUSINESS INFORMATION ADMINISTRATOR TO HELP WITH OUR TECHNOLOGY, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY TECHNOLOGY, PARKS MAINTENANCE IS CONVERTING A COUPLE, CONVERTING SOME SEASON AND SEASONAL HOURS.

WE ALREADY HAVE 2 TO 2 FULL TIME POSITIONS AND YOU'RE SEEING THE NET THERE OF THAT CHANGE.

THE OUTDOOR SUPERVISOR IS A RECREATION SUPERVISOR FOR OUR OUTDOOR PROGRAMING AND FOR CLEAR CREEK.

AND THEN OUR GIS ANALYSTS ARE THERE TO HELP WITH ASSET MANAGEMENT AND THE GIS NEEDS.

CAN WE HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT? MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

AND THE THINGS THAT I UNDERSTAND.

WHAT DOES THE PARKS THIS PERSON DOING? MAYBE A CONVERSATION LISA NEEDS TO HELP WITH, TOO.

SO TECHNOLOGY SERVICES HAS BEEN WORKING ON IT STRATEGIC PLAN.

AND THEY WERE SEEING A BIG NEED TO HAVE THOSE BUSINESS GUYS, ANALYSTS OUT IN THE DEPARTMENTS WHO CAN ACTUALLY GO OUT AND INVENTORY AND HAVE ALL THESE ITEMS. SO I THINK IT'S A JOINT ANSWER BETWEEN LISA AND GARY.

THAT'D BE HELPFUL BECAUSE I THINK JEFF THINKS THE MAP TOOL AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S MORE THAT GOES INTO GIS, UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS.

AND AS WE'RE COMING UP AND YOU MADE A GREAT POINT ABOUT WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE A STRATEGIC APPROACH ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION.

AND WE HAVE SOME GIS FOLKS IN PLANNING WHO ARE DOING A GREAT JOB AND SERVING A LOT OF DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS, BUT I THINK VARIOUS ISSUES.

YEAH, LET ME STICK TO THE TECHNOLOGY SERVICES STRATEGIC PLANNING INITIATIVE FOR GIS FIRST, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT THERE'S A GREAT SERVICE DEMAND FOR THIS, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF OPERATIONAL EXPERIENCE OUT THERE THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN TECHNOLOGY SERVICES.

WE DO THE DEVELOPMENT, WE TAKE CARE OF THE SUPPORT, WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THE EQUIPMENT.

SO A LOT OF THE DEPARTMENTS ARE FEELING THAT NEED TO BE ABLE TO MODIFY THEIR OWN LAYERS AND AND DATA, ANALYZE THAT AND REPORT IT.

SO WE'LL PROBABLY, IN THAT STRATEGIC PLANNING DOCUMENT, SPEAK TO DISTRIBUTED GIS MODEL, AND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT LATER ON, PROBABLY THREE OR 4 TO 5 YEAR AGREEMENT OR STRATEGIC PLAN.

AND THAT WILL GIVE US A ROADMAP.

BUT WE'RE SEEING THE NEED NOW AND I THINK GARY COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO HIS ME, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN ASSET MANAGEMENT NEED.

THERE'S A LOT OF COMPONENTS AND PARTS ITEMS THAT THEY HAVE TO MANAGE.

ALL THE DATA THAT GOES TO THAT, IT'S ALL GEOSPATIAL, SPATIALLY DOCUMENTED IN OUR GI SYSTEM.

SO YOU WANT TO TAKE IT OUT FROM THERE.

JUST ADDING TO THAT.

ONE THING THAT WE STARTED A FEW YEARS AGO IS TEN MINUTE WALK AND THAT IS ALL GIS RELATED.

EVERY TIME WE GET A NEW PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED, ADDED AND CATEGORIZED INTO OUR GIS LAYER, ALONG WITH ALL OF OUR TRAILS, ALL OF OUR MAPPING.

SO WE'RE SPENDING MORE AND MORE DEPENDENCY AND TIME ON THAT NEED AS TECHNOLOGY CONTINUES TO EVOLVE AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT TALENT.

SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF STAFF THAT ARE LEARNING IT A LITTLE BIT HERE AND THERE.

SO WE'RE REALLY DEPENDENT ON ON OUR TECHNOLOGY SERVICES TEAM TO HELP US WITH THAT.

AND THEN AS TECHNOLOGY SERVICES IN THE CITY AS A WHOLE IS GOING THROUGH THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PROCUREMENT PROCESS, WE NEED TO SPEND MORE TIME ON TRACKING OUR ASSETS FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT, FROM A TIME ALLOCATION FOR THE SPECIAL EVENTS.

SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ALL THE WAY TO OUR AQUATICS AND THEN OUR GENERAL PARK MAINTENANCE, WHERE WE'RE SPENDING TIME, WHAT WE'RE SPENDING TIME ON AND SOMEONE THAT'S TRACKING THAT, MAKING SURE THE ASSETS ARE CORRECT, MAKE SURE THE INFORMATION THAT STAFF IS PUTTING IN THERE IS CORRECT AS WELL.

SO WE REALLY SEE THAT AS A GROWING PROCESS AS THE CITY EVOLVES INTO OUR NEW ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

WHEN THAT'S PROCURED, WE CAN START GROWING AND GROWING MORE FROM THAT.

SO THIS POSITION IS KIND OF THE START OF THAT PROCESS FROM BOTH OF THOSE PERSPECTIVES.

SO IF I MIGHT, IS THIS THIS POSITION IS IS IS GOING TO BE FUNDED OUT OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OR AND SERVE SORT OF IS AN OUTREACH COMPONENT TO TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THOSE OR WILL IT TRAIN THE STAFF IN THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO DO THE GIS?

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IT'S LIKE CHRIS AND I ARE KNOWN FOR SEEING THE WORDS DATA LIKE EVERY OTHER SENTENCE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT POLICY DEVELOPMENT.

SO THE I DON'T SEE HOW WE ASK YOU GUYS TO DO DATA ANALYTICS WITHOUT GIVING YOU A DATA ANALYST.

SO I'M TELLING YOU, I'M PREDISPOSED RIGHT NOW TO THIS POSITION, BUT CAN I GET SOME CLARITY ON THE SORT OF FUNDING AND SERVICE BOUNCE OFF THAT? MY I ENVISION THIS TO BE A DEPARTMENTAL FUNDED.

THIS WOULD BE A GENERAL FUND FUNDED POSITION SPECIFICALLY BEING USED FOR PARKS DATA, DATA ANALYTICS, ASSET MANAGEMENT DATA, GIS, WHICH WE CAN'T DO IN TECHNOLOGY SERVICES.

WE'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES RIGHT NOW.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO THAT.

SO TO BE ABLE TO PUSH OFF THOSE BUSINESS ANALYTIC NEEDS BACK TO THE BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT BETTER THAN WE DO.

AND TECHNOLOGY SERVICES IS REALLY WHERE WE'D LIKE TO GO WITH THIS.

SO THANK YOU.

YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON YOUR FIVE? I DO WANT TO JUST VERY QUICKLY CIRCLE BACK BECAUSE I DON'T ANSWER THE QUESTION ENTIRELY ON THE ONE TIME, ON THE ONE TIME.

522 I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR WHERE OUR THOUGHT PROCESS IS AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING BEFORE YOU.

WE ARE ASKING FOR FOR DIRECTION.

AND THOSE ONE TIME SUPPLEMENTALS HAVE NOT BEEN ENACTED IN CONTRACTS.

THOSE ARE SUPPLEMENTALS THAT WE WOULD HAVE FUNDED IN FY 23, BUT WE HAD THE SSA IN FY 22.

NOW, IT COULD BE AN ARGUMENT THAT WE WERE TOO CONSERVATIVE WITH OUR REVENUE ESTIMATES, AND THAT'S HOW WE GET THE INCREASE.

BUT I THINK WE REALLY WANT TO TAKE A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH.

BUT THOSE COUNSEL SAYS WE DON'T WANT TO DO THOSE.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT ANYONE HAS SAID THAT.

THAT IS WHY WE'RE BRINGING IT FORWARD AS PART OF A PROCESS AND FINDING.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU SAID, YOU SAID THAT IF YOU SAID TYPICALLY, THEN THOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET PROPOSAL.

WHICH THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED.

SO OUR INTERNAL SERVICE FUND SUPPLEMENTAL PACKAGES AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THESE FUNDS LATER.

BUT THEY JUST WANT TO POINT THEM OUT HERE BECAUSE THEY DO IMPACT ALL OF THE FUNDS.

HERE ARE THE POSITIONS THAT WE'RE ADDING IN OUR INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS.

AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT, ARE THOSE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS, ARE THE FUNDS THAT HELP SUPPORT ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS, ALL THE UTILITY FUNDS, THE GENERAL FUND ACROSS THE BOARD.

SO THEY'RE FUNDED THROUGH TRANSFERS FROM THOSE FUNDS.

SO THEY HAVE AN IMPACT TO EACH OF THOSE FUNDS TO VARYING DEGREES.

AND REALLY, THEY'RE ALL DRIVEN.

MOST OF THEM ARE DRIVEN BY DEMAND THAT WE HAVE IN THE IN THE OPERATING FUNDS AND THE ASSOCIATED.

JUST LIKE WE HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH H.R.

A LOT OF THESE, ESPECIALLY THE TOP HALF OF THEM ARE DIRECTLY TIED TO INCREASES IN PERSONNEL AND OPERATIONS THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER BUYER POSITION FOR PROCUREMENT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHITE PAPER ON THAT, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, YOU SEE THE NUMBER OF CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE COME TO COUNCIL AND THE NUMBER OF CONTRACTS AT RFPS THAT WERE ARE JUST EXPANDED GREATLY.

THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THE FUNDS, ADDING MULTIPLE FLEET TECHNICIANS.

WE'RE EXPANDING OUR BAYS, WE'RE GOING TO DO 12 BAYS ON FLEET.

AND JUST THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE, THE FLEET TECHNICIANS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF POSITIONS THAT LISA CAN CERTAINLY ASK ABOUT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PROGRAM MANAGER AND I WILL SAY I'LL STEP BACK AND WE LOOK AT THE TECH SERVICES POSITION.

WE DID A DEPARTMENTAL REORG STARTING LAST YEAR AFTER ANALYSIS, AND THIS IS STEP TWO OF THAT AS WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE POSITION THAT WE NEED FROM AN I.T.

PERSPECTIVE. SO I ARCHITECT ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF PUBLIC SAFETY SUPERVISOR DIRECTLY RELATED TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY SOFTWARE, MANAGE SECURITY SERVICE PROVIDER SERVICES.

ON ENGINEERING THE FIRST POSITION OUR PRODUCT MANAGER IS RELATED TO THE NUMBER OF CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE.

WE'VE DONE A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF EACH OF OUR PROJECT MANAGERS ON OUR SHIP SIDE, THE NUMBER OF HOURS THEY SPEND WITH THEIR PROJECTS AND THE WORKLOAD METRICS ASSOCIATED AS WE PLAN OUT THE NUMBER OF CAPITAL PROJECTS WE HAVE ONGOING AND UPCOMING JUST TO KEEP THE MINIMUM STANDARDS WE NEED.

JUST FROM A WORKLOAD PERSPECTIVE, JUST NEED THAT ADDITIONAL POSITION ON THE SIP ON THE SIP SIDE.

AND THEN OUR PUBLIC WORKS INSPECTORS ARE SIMILAR TO AS WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION ON PLANNING AND BUILDING INSPECTION IS DIFFERENT, BUT THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WE HAVE TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THE AMOUNT OF INSPECTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO DO ON THE PUBLIC WORK SIDE, THOSE POSITIONS AND THERE'S CERTAINLY REVENUE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE THAT YOU SEE IN THE ENGINEERING FUND, CUSTOMER SERVICE THAT IS.

YOU SAW THESE IN THE CUSTOMER SERVICE PRESENTATION DURING THE UTILITY BUDGETS.

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WE ARE ADDING A POSITION TO STS.

IT'S A SERVICE SUPERVISOR RIGHT NOW.

THAT POSITION IS NEEDED. IF YOU LOOK, I THINK IT'S 12 OR 13 DIRECT REPORTS RIGHT NOW, IT'S A ONE PERSON IN THE IN OUR SERVICE ORGANIZATION.

SO THIS IS TRYING TO GET ANOTHER SUPERVISOR LEVEL TO SPLIT THAT OUT AND GIVE A BETTER SPAN OF CONTROL.

AND THEN ONE OF THE ACQUISITIONS OUT AT THE AIRPORT, THIS IS FOR ADDITIONAL STAFFING TO COVER NIGHTS, WEEKENDS, HOLIDAYS AND JUST WITH INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS.

WELL, I JUST JUMP IN THE THESE FLEET, THE DIFFERENT FLEET AND SERVICE POSITIONS AND TWO AND 20 OR WHATEVER IT IS DOWN AT ST.

THE THESE ONLY INCLUDE THE EXISTING TECHNOLOGY DEMANDS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.

THESE DON'T INCORPORATE CHANGES TO THE FLEET THAT WE ANTICIPATE AS WE ELECTRIFY AND AND DO OTHER GREEN INNOVATIONS THAT WE'VE ALSO PUSHED FOR. SO BUT I'M ASKING IF THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE EXPERTISE IN MAKING THAT TRANSITION.

THIS IS JUST CURRENT DEMAND, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SO WHENEVER EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE UTILITIES.

PREVIOUSLY YOU'VE SEEN THOSE SUPPLEMENTALS THAT THEY'VE COME FORWARD DIRECTLY.

IN TOTAL, THAT'S 81, ALMOST 82 NEW FEES THAT WERE ADDED TO THE BUDGET.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OVER WHAT WE'VE HAD IN PREVIOUS YEARS.

BUT AS WE TALKED ABOUT AND I THINK YOU'VE SEEN THE NEED TO LAY OFF A NEED, WE DON'T TAKE ANY OF THIS IN LIGHTLY BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE IMPACT IT HAS ON THE REVENUE SIDE AND JUST THE ONGOING IMPACT THAT COMES WITH THOSE COMMISSIONS.

BUT WE REALLY FEEL LIKE THESE ARE ALL NEEDS THAT WE HAD.

YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN THERE.

WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE GENERAL FUND? 24 UTILITIES AND THEN 18 FOR INTERNAL SERVICE AND SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS? SO THAT'S SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO JUST STOP, SIT BACK AND SAY, WHAT'S YOUR DIRECTION? I THINK WE'VE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION ON SUPPLEMENTALS.

WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE.

I WILL SAY, EVEN AS YOU LOOK AT TIER FOUR, YOU SAW WE ARE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE BUDGETING A 400,000 SURPLUS AS WE GET BY THE TIME WE COME IN FRONT OF YOU NEXT TIME, MAYBE THERE'S EVEN MORE REVENUE THAT WE CAN COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT STORY.

YOU CAN HAVE THE CURRENT TAX RATE, BUT REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE AT RIGHT NOW WITH THE SUPPLEMENTALS.

SO LET'S DO THIS.

SO IF WE COULD JUST AROUND THE CORNER, IF THERE'S ANY NOTABLES FROM BEGINNING TO NOW, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BREAK FOR LUNCH AND SO IT'S READY.

SO JUST SIMPLY SUCCINCTLY, IF WE CAN ADDRESS ONE, GET STAFF, ANY NOTES THEY NEED, BUT THEN TWO QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND WE'LL BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS.

ALL RIGHT. MINE IS JUST SIMPLY IF YOU COULD PULL UP THE SLOT IN THE VERY BEGINNING WHERE IT SHOWS THE NO NEW TAX RATE AND ALL THAT, THOSE TAX RATES ASSOCIATED WITH THE DIFFERENT TIERS. IF YOU COULD JUST SO I CAN HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THIS, IT'S 14.

15. YES.

SLIDE 17, 717.

WELL, I THOUGHT YOU HAD IT. WHERE IF YOU INCLUDED TIER FOUR AND FIVE.

WHAT THE RANKING. I THOUGHT THERE WAS A MAYBE THERE WAS THE ONE WITH A PYRAMID AT THE TOP.

THERE WE GO.

THAT ONE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S 23.

YEAH. YEAH.

THAT'S IT. OH.

RIGHT. IT'S THE ONE PAGE 43.

43. WELL, THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT.

OKAY, WELL, THAT'S 43.

SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ONE.

SO THEN SO WE'VE GOT THE TAX RATE THREE, TIER THREE.

HAVE YOU CALCULATED WHAT IT WOULD BE FOR TIER FOUR AND TIER FIVE TO BE INCLUDED, EITHER TIER FOUR ONLY AND THEN TIER FOUR AND FIVE? YEAH. SO TIER FOUR, ANOTHER SET IS ANOTHER IS ESSENTIALLY A CENT A LITTLE LESS THAN A CENT.

SO YOU HAVE ONE MORE SET FOR TIER FOUR AND THEN FIVE A LITTLE MORE THAN.

SO BASICALLY 56, FIVE, FIVE, SIX, EIGHT FOR TIER 457.

AND THEN SO TIER FOUR IS IS THERE CURRENT TAX RATE? TIER FIVE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL CENTER ON OUR CURRENT TAX.

OKAY. SO THIS IS MY THOUGHT BECAUSE THE NO NEW THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WAS $560 MILLION OR WHATEVER.

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AND I THINK THAT FIGURED THAT UP.

IF YOU DID THE 55 CENT, THAT'S ABOUT 2.6 OR $2.8 MILLION.

MY ONLY THOUGHT IS.

BUT WHEN WE SHOW THAT THE AVERAGE BILL IS ONLY INCREASING $150.

BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS FROM THE NO NEW NO NEW TAX RATE.

RIGHT. IF WE LET'S SAY WE JUST GO ALL IN TO YOUR FIVE OR $0.06 ABOVE THAT.

IS THAT RIGHT? $0.06? YEAH. AND THE CAP IS SIX HAPPENING HIGHER BECAUSE WE HAD THAT INCREMENT.

RIGHT. BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT. SO THAT'S LEGISLATIVELY WITH IT.

BECAUSE REMEMBER, WE HAD THAT WHERE THEY MAXED OUT THOSE THOSE TAX RATES AND YOU COULDN'T GET IT.

SO IT WAS 3% INCREASE ON THE RATE, 3%.

BUT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE IT EVER, YOU GET THE YOU GET THE ROLLOVER.

YEAH. SO THAT THAT'S MY ONLY THOUGHT IS I MEAN, I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A STRUGGLE WITH IT IN A SENSE, BUT WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT $6 MILLION MORE OF ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

LET'S SAY WE DO IT ALL IN A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT THEN.

AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW THAT $150 IS CALCULATED ON THE AVERAGE.

I MEAN, I GUESS YOU JUST TAKE THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ACCOUNTS AND DIVIDE THAT BY THE CALCULATION FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

AND IT'S BASICALLY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TAXABLE.

SO AFTER THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS AND OTHER EXEMPTIONS AND THEN DIVIDE BY NUMBER, WHICH, WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE POINT THAT.

THOSE FOR OUR HOME HOMESTEADS.

THAT'S NOT COMMERCIAL. IT'S NOT RENTAL PROPERTIES, NOT MULTIFAMILY.

IT'S NOT ANYTHING. SO THE INCREASES ON THOSE ARE GOING TO BE MUCH HIGHER, WHICH THAT DOES IMPACT BUSINESSES, IT DOES IMPACT AFFORDABILITY. SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT.

EVERYTHING WE DO OUTSIDE OF AFFECTING HOMESTEAD RATES, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT.

AND THEY'RE CAPPED AT 10% INCREASE ANYWAY FROM THE FROM THE STATE AS FAR AS APPRAISAL VALUES APPRAISAL.

SO THIS WOULD BE.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HISTORICALLY.

THIS WOULD BE PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGEST.

TAX RATES ABOVE EITHER THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE OR NO NEW TAX RATE THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD PROBABLY IN THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, I WOULD THINK.

ABSOLUTELY. IN THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.

I MEAN, WE WERE WE WERE AT THAT EFFECT.

AND IN THE CHART, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR TAX RATE, IT'S GONE DOWN 11, 12%.

OH, SURE. YEAH. YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S BECAUSE THE APPRAISED VALUES HAVE GONE UP AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT MORE REVENUE.

AND SO YEAH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DON'T REALLY GET IS MORE LIKE IF YOU JUST KEPT THE TAX RATE THE SAME, WHAT IS IT, 5.9.

WHAT IT IS NOW. 5.50 5156 IF YOU JUST KEPT THE TAX RATE THE SAME AGAIN, WE'D BE FUNDING ALL THESE NEW SUPPLEMENTALS.

THERE'S ABOUT A $6 MILLION PLUS INCREASE IN THE BUDGET.

SO THAT'S NOT A CRITICISM.

IT'S NOT A STATEMENT OF MY POSITION.

IT'S JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S POINTED OUT TO AT LEAST THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING.

WE ALL GET IT. BUT I WOULD ALSO ADD, EVEN AS WE TALK ABOUT $150, YOU DON'T SEE IT ON THE TAX RATE BECAUSE IT WENT UP SO MUCH.

THAT'S ALSO PAYING FOR THE BOND ELECTION THAT THE VOTERS VOTED ON.

SO SOME OF THE 150 IS GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THE ROADWAY PROJECTS AND PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES.

SO THAT'S IN THAT HUNDRED 50 AS WELL.

THAT SERVICE TAX RATE WENT DOWN.

WE'RE STILL PAYING FOR ALL THAT WITH THAT INCREASE A, B, ON THE DEBT SERVICE SIDE.

SO SOME OF THAT'S BAKED IN THERE. OKAY.

WHAT ELSE? GO AHEAD.

SO ACTUALLY, SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR POCKET SOMEWHERE? WHAT'S THE WHAT'S WHAT'S THE DEBT AMOUNT AND WHAT'S THE NON DEBT AMOUNT? BUT THE POINT YOU JUST MADE FOR FOR THE 150, I MEAN, DO WE HAVE THAT FLOATING AROUND.

WE HAVE A RATE, BUT WE CAN GET A SEPARATE RATE SEPARATED HERE.

IT DOESN'T SHOW HISTORICAL BUT.

WE HAVEN'T HAD THE NUMBERS IN THE PROPOSED BOOK, BUT WE CAN GET IT OUT.

AND SO I GUESS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL CONCUR THAT IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ASSESSED VALUES GOING UP, RATES ARE ONE THING AND AN ABSOLUTE TAX VALUES ARE ANOTHER AND THAT EVERYBODY EVERYWHERE JUST NEEDS TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE'RE DOING OUR MATH.

BUT BUT THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK YOU POINTED OUT IN THE PRESENTATION IS AND I TRIED TO MAKE THE POINT OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY GROWTH AND RETURN TO FULL SERVICE FROM DIMINISHED SERVICE OVER THE LAST FEW, ESPECIALLY COVID YEARS COMPARED TO ACTUAL WHAT'S WHAT'S A

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AND SO THAT WAS SORT OF WHY I'M PRESSING ON.

THAT IS IT SOUNDS LIKE AT LEAST UP TO I MEAN, I THINK I SAW ONE OR TWO ITEMS THAT WERE SORT OF BRAND SPANKING NEW AND NOT A FACET OF GROWTH. AND SO THAT WOULD THAT WOULD IMPLY FOR ME THAT THE SERVICES THAT WE'VE AGREED AND THE CITIZENS HAVE ASKED FOR IS TO PUT FORWARD JUST COST THIS MUCH TO PERFORM.

AND AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TO MAINTAIN AT WORKER LEVELS AND A 125% EFFORT JUST TO MEET DEMAND FOR BECAUSE WE'RE UNDERSTAFFED AND OVER IN ORDER TO MEET THE SERVICE LEVELS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID IT WANTS.

SO I'M FAIRLY COMFORTABLE WITH THE EFFICIENCY THAT I SAW EVEN UP TO TIER FIVE BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T SEE ANOTHER AND I'LL STOP THERE. I'M JUST COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING AT RATE LEVELS, ONE PENNY UP TO MEET THE SERVICE AGREEMENTS THAT WE SAID.

SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH FIVE.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE 6 MINUTES INTO THE LIGHTNING ROUND, SO WE COULD ACTUALLY HIT THE LIGHTNING ROUND.

THAT'D BE GREAT. SO THAT WAS MY.

GO AHEAD. ANYONE ELSE? YEAH. I MEAN, I'LL SAY THAT I COULD PROBABLY BE TALKED INTO GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO FIVE.

I'M VERY, VERY EASY.

YES, ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH THE FOUR.

FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S A CHUNK OF THAT THAT WE'RE ALREADY SPENDING ANYWAY, SO THAT'S NOT ANYTHING.

BUT HOW MANY EMAILS DO WE GET FROM FOLKS SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'VE HAD TO WAIT AN UNREASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR SERVICE AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT AS LONG AS MY TAXES ARE LOW.

NO, PEOPLE WANT SERVICE.

THEY WANT SERVICE IN A TIMELY FASHION.

AND THAT MEANS THAT WE NEED TO RETAIN STAFF AND WE NEED TO ADD FEES.

AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A PUSH AND PULL.

WE DON'T WANT TO JUST GOUGE OUR RESIDENTS AND RAISE TAXES TO THE ROOF.

BUT THIS CERTAINLY THE TIER THREE PROPOSAL DOESN'T DO THAT AT ALL.

I DON'T THINK THAT THE TIER FOUR PROPOSAL REALLY DOES THAT EITHER.

SO I'M ALL IN ON TIER FOUR.

IT PROBABLY BE TALKED TWO, TIER FIVE TAX, ROBERT AND DAVE'S.

MY MOTHER USED TO TELL ME, YOU GOT TO PAY TO PLAY AND THAT'S WHEN I WOULD WANT SOMETHING, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE MONEY FOR IT, SO I HAD TO DO SOMETHING AROUND THE HOUSE EXTRA TO GET THE MONEY SO I CAN GET WHAT I WANT SEPARATE FROM THE HOUSEHOLD STUFF.

AND THAT JUST PUTS THE BE IN MIND THAT YOU ALL KNOW THAT I CERTAINLY AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS SUPPLEMENTAL FIVE PACKAGE BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WHENEVER WE ARE TRYING TO APPEASE THE MINDSET OF THE PEOPLE OUT THERE, WE WANT THEM TO REALLY THINK THAT WE ARE BEING VERY CONSERVATIVE, BUT WE FIND OURSELVES BEHIND THE THE MARK WHEN WE DO THAT AND EVEN BE MIDSTREAM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M ALSO ALWAYS WANTING TO BE AHEAD OF THE GAME.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY BASICALLY WHY I WOULD SUPPORT SUPPLEMENT FIVE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE ARE GETTING ABSOLUTELY WHAT WE NEED.

AND IF THAT'S NOT A TOO BIG A BURDEN ON THE TAXPAYERS, FORGIVE ME, BUT WHEN YOU ASK FOR THINGS, YOU'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THOSE THINGS, INCLUDING INCLUDING THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO PERFORM THAT WORK TO GET IT DONE.

SO THAT'S WHERE I AM WITH THAT RIGHT NOW.

JUST FOUR DAYS. SO I'M STILL IN A LITTLE BIT OF A WAIT AND SEE.

I'M I THINK THAT I'M GOOD THROUGH TIER FOUR, BUT I THINK THAT WHEN WE FIRM UP THE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT, IT MAY BE THAT WE NEED TO REORGANIZE THE TIERS JUST A LITTLE BIT.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS YEAR AND PRIOR YEARS FOR ME IS THAT IN PRIOR YEARS WE REALLY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE LOWER, HIGHER NUMBER OF TIERS THAT WERE A LOT OF COUNCIL INITIATIVES THAT WERE NOT ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED FOR CITY, FOR RUNNING THE CITY OR MAINTAINING THE STREETS.

PUBLIC SAFETY.

IT'S EASIER FOR ME THIS YEAR TO SEE IN THE WAY WE'VE OUTLINED THE SUPPLEMENTALS.

WE PUT OUR MARKER DOWN ON THE FIRE PHASE AS IT WAS A MID-YEAR BUDGET AMENDMENT, AND WE SAID, WELL, THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIRE ANYBODY WHEN WE ASK THE NEW BUDGET. SO WE'RE GOING TO THERE'S GOING TO BE AN INCREASE THERE.

WE SAID THE SAME ABOUT THE POLICE BUDGET AND POLICE EFFORTS AS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.

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WE'RE NOT REALLY EVEN TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF INCREASES IN LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THINGS LIKE PARKS AND LIBRARIES.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING WHAT WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO DO IN MAINTAINING AND A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT BACK COMMISSION GROWTH.

SO MOSTLY COVERING GROWTH, MOSTLY COVERING NATURAL NATURAL GROWTH.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS AROUND DATA CENTER REVENUE.

I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS AROUND THE ACTUAL NUMBERS.

THEY I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO FUND TIER FOUR WITH THE FINAL NUMBERS WE GET BACK FROM THE REGULAR DISTRICT.

BUT MAYBE I'M BEING OPTIMISTIC.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO AT THE AT THE PROPOSED TAX RATE.

IT'S JUST A LOT EASIER FOR ME THIS YEAR TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSED TAX RATE AND SAY THESE ARE PUBLIC SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS.

THESE ARE INFLATION COSTS TIED TO THINGS THAT EVERYBODY IS EXPERIENCING.

THESE ARE COST OF LIVING INCREASES FOR OUR FOLKS.

JUST BEING A GOOD EMPLOYER AND AS A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE MYSELF, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

I CAN'T ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO DO SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT WILLING TO DO MYSELF RIGHT.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. I'M 34 RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M ALSO VERY INTERESTED IN FIRMING THINGS UP AND PULLING BACK WHERE WE CAN AND THE LOWEST POSSIBLE TAX RATE WE CAN.

THE LEVEL OF SERVICE OUR PEOPLE EXPECT.

AND THEN JUST JUST TO CLOSE OUT WHERE HE WERE, COUNCILMAN DAVIS ENDED IS WHERE I START.

I THINK THERE'S I'M ALL FOR MOVING FORWARD.

BUT I ALSO THINK WE MUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS AS A FOLLOW UP, SO I'M UNDECIDED ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT I'LL SAY THIS.

I WANT TO UNDERSTAND FROM MACK IF YOU CAN HELP ME GOING FORWARD.

I WANT TO KNOW THE OUTSIDE ATTORNEY COST THAT WE SPENT YEAR TO YEAR OVER YEAR, LET'S SAY, LAST FOUR YEARS.

SO IT WOULD BE WHATEVER, 20, WHATEVER THAT IS TO CURRENT BECAUSE THAT HAS TICKED UP.

YOU CAN'T I CAN'T IN GOOD FAITH SAY, HEY, IT'S NO BIG DEAL THAT WE SPENT $40,000 OF TAXPAYER MONEY IN FOUR DAYS.

I CAN'T SAY IT'S NO BIG DEAL THAT WE SPENT THIS MANY THOUSAND DOLLARS ON LEGAL FEES FOR THIS THING OR, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY, HEY, WE GOT TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND WE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF OUR LIABILITIES, I'M ALL IN.

BUT WE THEN ALSO CAN'T JUST CREATE LIABILITIES AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE TWO.

WE'RE LIVING IN A WORLD WHERE WE HAVE $4 MILLION BUDGET JUDGMENT HANGING OVER OUR HEAD, SORT OF SO LOT THAT GOES INTO THIS DECISION FOR ME.

AND SO I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THOSE NUMBERS.

I ALSO WANT TO ASK THEY HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A POLICY ON THE COUNCIL STIPENDS.

THAT'S 66,000.

IT JUST SITS THERE.

WHETHER I THINK IT SHOULD BE LIKE INSURANCE, YOU OPT IN AT THE BUDGET TIME, ARE YOU OPT OUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT MONEY.

BUT OTHERWISE IT'S JUST SITTING AT BAY.

RIGHT. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING EVENTS.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 12,000 FOR THIS OR THAT.

YOU HAVE 66,000 MAY BE JUST SITTING THERE UNTOUCHED.

RIGHT. AND THAT THAT'S NOT GOOD.

SO I THINK IF WE'RE IF WE'RE TALKING BEST PRACTICES FISCALLY AND WE'RE TIGHTENED UP AS BEST WE CAN AND WE HAVE NEEDS, LET'S MEET THOSE NEEDS.

BUT IF WE'RE SPENDING ON UNNECESSARILY SO ON ATTORNEY'S FEES, THEN THAT'S THEN THAT'S DIFFERENT FOR ME.

AND SO THAT'S GOING TO GUIDE MY DECISION.

AND I WANT TO AND I REALLY CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT OUR PROS WITH THIS.

THE GREATEST THING THAT I'M GOING TO GO BACK AND TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT AND IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A GOLD MINE.

AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WANTING TO FUND EXTRA THINGS, IT'S THE SALES TAX.

I MEAN THAT TO ME, THOSE INTANGIBLES TIE INTO EVERYTHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FROM FTES.

LET'S LET'S PAINT THE STREETS.

LET'S CLEAN THE STREETS. LET'S MAKE THE STREETS DRIVABLE AND LET'S DRIVE THAT NUMBER.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE JUST INVITE PEOPLE, THE EVENTS INVITE PEOPLE TO DEATH.

THEY SEE IT'S CLEAN. THEY LIKE IT.

THEY HEY, I WANT TO STAY HERE.

I WANT TO SPEND MONEY HERE.

AND SO THAT'S JUST FOUND MONEY.

I MEAN, IT IS IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM THAT YOU'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, I THINK.

I MEAN, YOU BEFORE THEN, I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON ON PROJECTING THOSE AND IT JUST KEEPS JUMPING UP AND YOU'RE OFF YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY WITHIN 3%, BUT NOW IT'S JUMPING UP TO 5% OFF, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS LESS THAN GREAT EITHER WAY.

BUT IT'S A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE AND IT'S A FANTASTIC THING.

AND IF WE HAVE IF WE'RE FUNDING THINGS THAT DRIVES THAT NUMBER, THAT'S JUST FOUND MONEY.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'M EXCITED ABOUT.

IT'S TALKING ABOUT POLICIES THAT KEEP OUR CITY LOOKING GREAT, INVITING PEOPLE OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY TO FUND THE THINGS WE NEED FOR LIBRARIES, ETC., ETC..

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SO YEAH, IF I CAN GET THAT, THAT LEGAL INFORMATION, IF I CAN GET STAFF TO AT LEAST BRING OR JUST TALK TO US ABOUT THAT OPT IN, OPT OUT SO THAT YOU CAN SPEND THAT MONEY.

AND THEN MAYBE THERE'S A CAVEAT FOR COUNCIL TO MAKE A DECISION ON STIPENDS MID-YEAR IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO TOGGLE IT BACK ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, IT'S ALL UNDER 50 K, SO WE'D ALL BE UNDER IF WE CAN AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO SPEND IT.

BUT I JUST WANT TO HAVE A MECHANISM SO WE CAN ACTIVATE THAT MONEY.

SO EVERY CENT IS WORKING.

SO THAT'S MY THOUGHTS TO CLARIFY, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CONTINGENCY FUNDS OR STIPENDS? 700 AND I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER 750 PER THAT SIX PEOPLE.

I'M OKAY THAT'S 12,000.

SO IF YOU OPT IN I DON'T GET OR YOU OPT OUT IT'S BUDGETED AND SITTING THERE.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

IT'S SITTING THERE UNUSED BECAUSE SO WE COULD HAVE PUT THAT TO WORK BUT IT'S JUST BEEN SITTING THERE.

RIGHT. AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I THINK WE CAN'T HAVE IT SO WELL, BUT YOU'RE NOT SOMEONE ELSE.

YOU KNOW, THERE NEEDS TO BE A POLICY BECAUSE THERE'S NO TELLING WHO'S IN THE SEAT.

IT'S IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO'S GOING TO SEAT.

IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE THE BUDGET.

SO. VERY GOOD.

OKAY. SO WE'LL TAKE A BREAK.

IT IS 1137.

WHAT TIME OLIVE GARDEN IS HERE? SO YEAH.

WE'RE GOING TO WE'LL START GOING.

WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT. YEAH.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S A HECK OF A LOOK.

LET'S GET BACK.

LET'S SAY 1215. THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD TIME.

YEAH. SO IT IS 1218 AND WE'RE BACK.

WE HAVE A QUORUM. SO I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU, DAVID, THAT YOU ANY RESPONSES FROM THE GENERAL DISCUSSION OR IF YOU WANT TO JUST MOVE RIGHT FORWARD, TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE GOT A REALLY GOOD DIRECTION ON THE INFORMATION.

WE'LL BE COMING BACK ON THE 16TH.

WE'LL HAVE UPDATED REVENUE NUMBERS.

I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO CLEARLY GIVE A PICTURE OF WITH UPDATED REVENUES WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO VOLUNTEER FOR, HEY, WE CAN COME OUT, COME BACK ON THE 16TH AND SAY WE CAN FIND TWO OR FOUR COMPLETELY AT THE TAX RATES IN THE PROPOSED BOOK AND WE'LL HAVE THOSE CONVERSATION.

SO IT'S AN ONGOING CONVERSATION.

REALLY APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK AND I FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHERE WE ARE.

GENERAL FINALLY GETTING MORE COMMENTS ON THAT.

ANYONE ELSE ON THE GENERAL FUND FOR MOVE FORWARD COMES FROM BET.

THANK YOU. DO WE WE DON'T I DON'T THINK WE KNOW WHERE THE RESULT OF OUR VOTE AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES VOTES FOR DICK HAD I DON'T KNOW THAT'S NOT BEEN DECIDED YET IS THAT CORRECT.

BUT WHAT THEIR RESPONSE IS.

BUT OUR OUR TIMELINES ARE AROUND THE SAME TIME.

IS THERE TIMELINES DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHETHER THESE THE 75 VERSUS 80 PREDICTIONS ARE GOING TO TIGHTEN UP OVER THIS NEXT TIME PERIOD? GIVEN THE KIND OF CHURN THAT'S GOING ON? WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET UPDATES FROM THEM.

WE SHOULD WE HOPE WE GET UPDATES FROM EVERY WEEK.

SO HOPEFULLY BY THE 16TH WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE WEEKS AND AN 11% DOWN TO 8% OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THEIR THEIR OUR EXPECTATION IS AND THEIR COMMITMENT IS TO GIVE US UPDATES AS WE GO ALONG IN THAT WAY TO BE SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE CONVERSATION ON THEIR BUDGET.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SO WE'RE GOING TO THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION.

I THINK WE'LL GET THROUGH RELATIVELY QUICKLY.

MASSIVE DISCUSSION ON THE ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ARE THE SCIENTIFIC REVENUES WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT.

AND THEN REALLY THE UTILITIES AND WE'VE TOUCHED ON A NUMBER OF TIMES WILL WE HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS? SO WE'LL START OFF WITH THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN.

WE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS OBVIOUSLY NUMEROUS TIMES OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF OR SO.

BUT JUST AS A REMINDER THAT $1.9 TRILLION BILL EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH, 30, 50 BILLION OF IT WENT TO STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT RESOURCES.

THESE ARE THE FOUR CATEGORIES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WERE PART OF THE PLAN.

AND THEN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

AND OUR ALLOCATION IN TOTAL IS $23.29 BILLION THAT WAS DELIVERED TO US IN TWO TRANCHES YEAR ONE AND YEAR TWO. AND SO THE FIRST HALF DELIVERED THROUGH 2021, WE DID RECEIVE THE SECOND PORTION IN JUNE 22.

SO IN THE NEXT SLIDES WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DID IN YEAR ONE AND WHAT OUR PLAN IS FOR YEAR TWO.

YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THOSE THE GOALS THAT THAT WERE THERE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

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AND SO OBVIOUSLY AS AS WE KNEW GOING INTO IT, WE HAD OUR INITIAL BUDGET, OUR INITIAL ALLOCATION, WE KNEW THOSE WOULD SHIFT IN REALITY AS WE REPORTED BACK TO TREASURY AND MOVE FORWARD.

I WILL SAY ALONG THE WAY, WE HAVE GOTTEN MORE GUIDANCE FROM THE TREASURY ON WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT SPEND THE MONEY FOR AND ADJUSTED AND HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ACCOUNTS THROUGHOUT. BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE ARE NOW.

I'LL KIND OF JUST POINT OUT SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES.

OBVIOUSLY, THE VACCINE CLINICS BEFORE WE HAD 550,000 THERE, JUST WITH THE NATURE OF VACCINES OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF TO YEAR, WITH THEM GOING OUT IN A DIFFERENT WAY, WE HAVEN'T WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT MONEY.

SO WE'RE ABLE TO REALLOCATE IT.

A BIG PORTION OF THE ALLOCATION WENT TO THE TEMPORARY ALTERNATIVE SHELTER.

A NUMBER OF THESE KIND OF IN LINE WITH BUDGET, THE CODE RED SOFTWARE CODE REPLACEMENT, THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION SOFTWARE.

WE DID GO FORWARD WITH THAT.

WE JUST FUNDED IT FROM THE GENERAL.

SO THAT WAS NOT NEW FUNDS.

WE DID HAVE SOME RECURRING EXPENSES, THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM MANAGER AND METIS FOR OUR STREET OUTREACH TEAM THAT WE WERE VERY HESITANT TO DO A LOT OF RECURRING EXPENSES OBVIOUSLY FROM THE FUNDS, BUT THOSE WERE A FEW THAT WERE MORE ELIGIBLE.

SO WE FUNDED PARTIALLY THEIR SALARIES FOR THIS FOR THIS YEAR IN YEAR TWO FROM THE ARP FUNDS JUST TO HELP HELP BENEFIT THE GENERAL FUND IN FY 23 OR IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, THEY WILL BE ENTIRELY THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND.

WE WOULD BET WITH OUR EYES OPEN AND MADE SURE.

WE DIDN'T HAVE MANY OF THOSE EXPENSES IN A RECURRING NATURE TO THE NON NON PROFIT CAPITAL CAPACITY SUPPORT THAT GRANT PROGRAM.

WE DID ALMOST DOUBLE THAT FUNDING FROM THE INITIAL ALLOCATION.

THE LEASE AND RENT SMALL BUSINESS PROGRAM CAME IN A LITTLE BIT UNDER WHAT WE HAD INITIALLY, SO $2 MILLION FOR THAT.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE'S PRETTY CLOSE WITH THE KOCHER BUSINESS GRANT PROGRAM THAT WE HAD, THE COVID UPDATES AT THE FACILITIES, THE HVAC AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO HERE'S OUR PROPOSED PROJECTS.

WE TALKED ABOUT THESE TO SOME DEGREE BEFORE, BUT THIS IS OBVIOUSLY WHERE WE COULD GET ANY INPUT AND WE'LL LAY OUT OUR PLAN AND HAVE A CONVERSATION.

SO WE'VE GOT 2.5 MILLION GOING TO THE TEMPORARY ALTERNATIVE SHELTER.

WE ARE CONTINUING ON TWO AND THREE TO HELP SUPPLEMENT THE GENERAL FUND WITH THOSE RECURRING EXPENSES ON THE REACTOR TRAINING PROGRAM AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT POSITION AT THE CENTER OVERNIGHT SHELTER AT 1.295 MILLION PUBLIC SAFETY EQUIPMENT IS A IS A FIRE A FIRE TRUCK AND THE THE EMERGENCY WATER RESCUE EQUIPMENT.

WE'VE GOT SOME PARKS AND REC PROJECTS AND THE NONPROFIT, NONPROFIT CAPACITY TO SERVE.

SO IN TOTAL, THAT'S 11.6.

MILLION DOLLAR PARK PROJECTS INCLUDE OUR TRAIL EXPANSION AND SHADE STRUCTURES THAT DO QUALIFY WITH THE AARP.

I REMEMBER ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE THAT IT SHOWED, I THINK IT WAS IN THE COMMUNITY SERVICES, $2.5 MILLION FOR HOTEL OVERNIGHT.

IS THAT AM I RIGHT ON THAT? I THINK THAT SOUNDS 2.5.

SO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT'S SAYING.

THAT BUDGET ITEM IS FOR TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO GO TO THE HOTEL PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE FOR HOUSING PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR, IT WAS LESS.

THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL ALLOCATION TO CONTINUE THAT PROGRAM THROUGH THE END OF ELIGIBLE AARP FUNDING.

SO IT WON'T REALLY JUST BE FOR 2020 TO 2030 EXTEND OUT UNTIL THE FUNDING IS EXPIRED.

SO THIS IS MY THOUGHT ON THAT, AND I'M JUST GOING TO BE BRIEF AND HAVE A FURTHER CONVERSATION DOWN THE LINE.

I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT HOW WE'RE USING THESE MONIES BECAUSE I THINK IF WE WANT TO PROVIDE SOME SUSTAINABILITY, I THINK IT'S A WORTHY CONVERSATION TO LOOK AT. ARE THERE SOME NONPROFITS WE CAN PARTNER WITH THAT IF SOMEHOW WE LIKE, WE'VE GOT THESE SHELTER THE DAY CENTER.

WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH NONPROFITS.

I MEAN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING PEOPLE FOR TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN A HOTEL, YOU CAN ALMOST BUY THE HOTEL FOR THAT PRICE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE OTHER THESE OTHER EXPENDITURES.

IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD USE THIS MONEY TO PROVIDE MORE SUSTAINABLE OPTIONS? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HELP AS MANY PEOPLE IN THE FRONT END, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HELP, I THINK, MORE IN THE LONG TERM IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE SUSTAINABLE WHEN THE TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IS OUT.

IS OUT. IF THAT'S THE ROUTE YOU GO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT LAST YEAR, WE PAID I THINK IT WAS 2 TO $2 MILLION FOR LEASE AND RENT RELIEF FOR SMALL BUSINESS.

THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN JUST PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING RENT PROBLEMS OR A POSSIBLE EVICTION.

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I JUST THINK THERE'S A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION THAT COULD BE HAD ON BECAUSE WHEN THIS IS OUT, IF WE'RE JUST USING IT FOR SORT OF TEMPORARY STOPGAP MEASURES, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF FUNDING AGAIN TO HELP PEOPLE IN THOSE SITUATIONS.

SO TO ME, IT'S WORTHY OF HAVING IT LATER ON DOWN.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT THIS IS NOT THE SCOPE FOR THIS.

THIS ISN'T THE SCOPE.

BUT IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT SOME ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS WERE TO.

TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF JUST LEASING OR PAYING ONE TIME.

HOW TO HOW CAN WE PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES TO TO DO MORE? SO THAT WAS MY THOUGHT ON AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BRIEFLY SOME THOUGHTS, BUT I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR DANI.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT THE FUTURE OF THAT PROGRAM LOOKS LIKE? IS IS. THE NEW ODB FACILITY COMING ONLINE.

DOES THAT IMPACT YOUR PLANS FOR THAT, FOR THE TEMPORARY ALTERNATIVE? YEAH. SO IN THE PROPOSAL THAT WE PUT FORWARD FOR THESE PROJECTS FOR THE NEXT YEAR, WE WERE WE'RE ACTUALLY ALTERNATING HOW WE'RE USING THE FUNDS FROM HOW WE'RE CURRENTLY USING THEM. SO WE'RE SEEING AN INCREASE IN FAMILY HOMELESSNESS.

SO IT EXPANDS SOME BEDS JUST FOR FAMILY SHELTER FOR THAT TEMPORARY TRANSITIONAL UNTIL THEY CAN GET STABILIZED WHERE THEIR PARTNERSHIP WITH A NONPROFIT, THEY MIGHT BE HELPING THEM. THERE'S A SPECIAL NEEDS ONE, TOO, FOR THOSE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS FOLKS THAT WE'RE STILL SEEING INCREASING NUMBERS AND GROWING IN THAT POPULATION AGAIN TO GIVE TRANSITIONAL UNTIL WE CAN CONNECT THEM TO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROGRAMS. SO THOSE TWO WERE ADDED AND THEN WE DROPPED JUST THE GENERAL 40 BEDS DOWN.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THESE FIGURES NOW GOING FORWARD.

SO IT'S JUST SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IN HOW WE WANT TO USE THE FUNDS WITH A FEW LESS BEDS AND AGAIN, EXPANDING THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE'RE USING THOSE FUNDS.

SO NOT JUST A SINGLE YEAR, BUT UNTIL THE FUNDS EXPIRE.

THE OTHER CONVERSATION WE HAVE TO HAVE IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONTINUALLY TYING IT BACK TO COVID IN OUR RESPONSE TO AND RECOVERY TO RIGHT WITH THE DAY CENTER, AN OVERNIGHT SHELTER THAT'S OPERATING AND NOT BUILDING THE FACILITY COSTS.

SO THAT'S A CHANGE THERE.

AND THEN WITH THE NONPROFIT CAPACITY GRANTS, WE'RE ACTUALLY BUILT IN ABOUT FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF GRANTS WE WANT TO LOOK AT.

ONE OF THOSE IS A COMMUNITY RECOVERY GRANT TO FOCUS ON POPULATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTED BY COVID.

SO BE FOCUSED ON MINORITY POPULATIONS THERE.

SO THERE'S JUST STUFF LIKE THAT. WE BUILT INTO THESE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THEY'RE NOT JUST HOW WE DID IT THIS LAST YEAR, BUT GOING FORWARD, HOW WE NEED TO MEET THE NEEDS.

NOW, WE HAVE CERTAINLY CONVERSATIONS WITH.

AND JUST FALL OUT OF IT.

BUT IF THESE FUNDS ARE USED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TIE IT TO COVID.

RIGHT. THIS IS THIS IS COVID RELATED FUNDING.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S THAT WE'RE RECOVERING FROM THE IMPACT OF IT OR THAT IT'S HELPING PEOPLE RECOVER.

DO YOU WANT TO ASK? LEUER YEAH.

THE FINAL RULE ACTUALLY LISTS SOME ENUMERATED POPULATIONS, SO THERE ARE PRESUMPTIONS BUILT INTO THE CRITERIA OF IMPACTED IN COVID AND DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED AND COVERED.

SO INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, FAMILIES THAT LIVE IN SPECIFIC CENSUS TRACTS ARE ENUMERATED, AND THAT'S HOW WE CAN DIRECTLY TIE IT TO COVID, AND WE HAVE TO DO THAT FOR THE DURATION OF THE PROGRAM.

SO JUST COUNT ON MY MY SUPPORT TO THAT CONVERSATION AND HAVING THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BEST THE BEST WAY TO LEVERAGE THESE DOLLARS.

AND THEN ALSO SINCE WE STARTED WITH FOLKS IN HOTELS, I'VE BEEN GETTING QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

AND THEY'VE BEEN AS THE PANDEMIC WAS AT ITS HEIGHT, IT WAS A LOT EASIER TO TIE THAT BACK FOR FOLKS.

AND OF COURSE, BEING FEDERAL MONEY WITH THESE GUIDELINES THAT WERE RESTRICTED TO, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE DOING THAT.

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CONCERNED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN THAT TAP WAS TURNED OFF AND WE HAVE FOLKS WHO ARE NO LONGER BEING PUT UP IN A HOTEL AS THEY'RE GOING TO BE A CALL FROM THE COMMUNITY TO CONTINUE THAT USING CITY DOLLARS.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S GENERAL SUPPORT FOR THAT OUT IN THE COMMUNITY FOR ACTUALLY RENTING HOTEL ROOMS FOR FOLKS.

SO THAT TRANSITIONAL TIME AS THIS MONEY RUNS OUT, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE NEEDS AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE FUNDING AVAILABLE TO MEET THEM.

AND ARE WE HITTING THAT WITH THE SHELTER? ARE WE WHERE ARE THOSE GAPS GOING TO BE AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO PUT ARE THE TRAPS WE NEED TO BE LOOKING OUT FOR? AND THEN THAT'S WHERE IT TIES IN FOR ME.

BACK TO COUNCILMEMBER WATSON'S QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANOTHER, MORE PERMANENT WAY TO DO THINGS THAT GIVES US BETTER, BETTER TOOLS GOING FORWARD BUT ALL TIED TOGETHER?

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THAT WILL HELP KIND OF OFFSET SOME OF THAT CONVERSATION.

SO WE'RE CREATING MORE HOUSING AVAILABLE AND ACCESSIBLE.

SO THAT'S ONE. AND THEN WE'LL ALSO LOOK AT THE CONTINUED SUCCESS OF THIS PROGRAM OR IF IT DOESN'T OR WANES OR WE NEED TO DROP IT DOWN, BUT WE WILL LOOK FOR OTHER WAYS TO FUND THIS TYPE OF NEED IF IT'S NECESSARY, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH CDBG OR FOR HOME FUNDING THAT WE ALREADY GET OR OTHER SOURCES THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO US IN THE FUTURE.

I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR HOUSING PEOPLE.

YES, I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR PAYING A HOTEL HERE ON A CONTINUED BASIS.

NOT LONG TERM. IT'S A LONG TERM.

RIGHT. THE FEDS WANTED TO DO IT.

THAT'S ONE THING USING LOCAL MONEY TO DO IT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

YEAH. I THINK WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOOLKIT, SOME OF THOSE STRATEGIES ARE RELATED TO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING OPTIONS.

SO REALLY LOOKING AT THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE IN THAT SITUATION INTO A MORE PERMANENT GOVERNMENT.

SO SO IN YOUR PROJECTIONS AND YOU KNOW, THIS THIS MEETING IS MOSTLY ABOUT THE UPCOMING YEAR, BUT WE CAN EXTEND A LITTLE BIT IN YOUR PROJECTIONS THAT THESE LOOK LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FUNDING SOURCES IN YOUR CRYSTAL BALL THAT'S GOING TO KEEP THE FUNDING SMOOTHER.

ARE WE GOING TO BE PRETTY JAGGED IN TERMS OF ON OFF, ON OFF ON OFF WHICH THAT KIND OF CHURN CAUSES HEADACHES IN OUR FEEDBACK IS THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND AND WHEN IT'S SMOOTHER THEY'RE MORE A PIECE WITH THEM.

YEAH WE'LL, WE'LL FIND A WAY TO STABILIZE A LOWER LEVEL PROBABLY LOWER SCALE.

BUT THE REALITY IS IT'S GOING TO BE JAGGED BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE A TON OF MONEY COMING IN FROM THE COUNTY AND FOR EVICTION PREVENTION, IT WILL ALSO GO AWAY AT THE SAME TIME.

AND THAT'S GOING TO CREATE SOME INSTABILITY IN HOUSING.

AS WE KIND OF ADJUST TO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO START TO SEE THAT SOON AND WE'RE SEEING OUR NUMBERS INCREASE.

SO I DON'T WANT TO BE A NAYSAYER, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME INSTABILITY AS WE WORK THROUGH GETTING THESE FUNDS EXPENDED AND WHERE WE STABILIZE IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THOSE PROJECTS, AARP? ALL RIGHT. SO HOW ABOUT THE DATA CENTER REVENUE? AND THIS REALLY IS JUST KIND OF RESTATING WHERE WE THE CONVERSATION.

WE HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, REALLY, IT WAS DRIVEN BY THE CATALYST FUND CONVERSATION, BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT THE OUTSET OF REVENUE.

SO JUST RESTATING THIS, IF THERE'S ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, OUR CURRENT ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW IN THE BUDGET IS FOR $13.9 MILLION TO COME FROM THE CORE SCIENTIFIC REVENUE FOR ROI AND FRANCHISE FEE.

AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NUMEROUS TIMES FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, OUR NUMBER ONE GOAL, CONSIDERING THOSE REVENUES, IS TO REALLY TRY TO.

SO ON NONRECURRING EXPENSE EXPENSES, JUST GIVEN THE VOLATILITY THAT COMES FROM ANY BEING RIGHT ON ANY BUSINESS TO THAT DEGREE. SO WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH COUNSEL.

WE HAD OUR PROPOSED ALLOCATION SEEM TO GET SUPPORT DURING THE WORK SESSION FOR THE PROPOSAL THAT WE PUT OUT, WHICH WAS TO ALLOCATE IT IN THIS MANNER.

CALLAS FUND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ZONE FOR $5 MILLION, 4 MILLION GO INTO THE SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK FUND.

AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THAT WOULD BE THAT'S NOT TO PAY FOR ANY OF THE OPERATING COSTS, THE SUSTAINABILITY, THE SALARIES, ANY OF THE ONGOING THINGS WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS.

AND THAT WOULD CONTINUE IN THE NEW INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE DOING.

THAT'S REALLY JUST FOR THOSE CAPITAL EXPENSES, THE THE PLAN THAT'S GOING TO SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HIT OUR GOALS WITH THAT.

SO THOSE ARE THOSE CAPITAL ITEMS THAT WERE TAKEN FORWARD BEFORE IN THERE TO 2.9 MILLION FOR ONE TIME GENERAL FUND CAPITAL EXPENSES THAT WE LAID OUT AND THEN STS CAPITAL FOR $2 MILLION JUST TO GO TO HELP US WITH OUR STS FUNDING AND WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE WANT OUR CREDITS TO BE DEDICATED TO THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

SO AGAIN, HELPS US, I WILL REMIND EVEN AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WE WILL BUDGET THE 13.9 TO COME IN AND GO OUT.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEND THAT THOSE REVENUES TO THESE FUNDS UNTIL WE ACTUALLY COMES IN.

SO AS WE ACTUALLY GET THE MONEY EACH MONTH, WE'LL MOVE THEM OUT TO THE FUNDS BASED ON THE ALLOCATION, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND IT BEFORE THEY COME IN OFFICE.

SO QUESTION REGARDING THE SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK FUND, WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK FUND AND THE GREEN SENSE PROGRAM, SOLAR REBATES, THINGS LIKE THAT? SURE. I THINK MIKE OR TONY COULD PROBABLY SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE PROGRAM THEMSELVES, BUT THERE ARE COMPONENTS OF THAT RECALL IN THE CURRENT AND THE HOW THAT WAS ALLOCATED. SO SO JUST QUICKLY ON THE ON THE GREEN SENSE PROGRAM THAT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN FUNDED DIRECTLY BY BY DMAE.

AND SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE $1,000,000 THAT'S THAT'S ALLOCATED TO THAT PROGRAM.

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AND THEN THE OTHER 500,000 IS FOR A MYRIAD OF DIFFERENT ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS. AND, AND SO SO THAT'S HOW THE GREEN SENSE PROGRAM WORKS.

I THINK THE RELATIONSHIP AND SOMETHING THAT WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION WITH MICHAEL ON IS HOW DO WE EVALUATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS? ARE THE DOLLARS REALLY BEING EFFECTIVE AND THEN AT SOME POINT POTENTIALLY TRANSITIONING REALLY KIND OF THE OVERSIGHT OF THAT, THE MAJORITY OF THAT PROGRAM OVER TO SUSTAINABILITY, WHICH WHICH I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY MORE FOCUSED ON THOSE TYPES OF INITIATIVES.

AND AND WE ARE IN THE ELECTRIC ONE.

SO IS THE SORRY.

CURRENTLY THE SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK FUND IS HOUSED IN THE GENERAL FUND, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S A SEPARATE IT'S A IT'S ITS OWN SEPARATE CREATE A SEPARATE FUND.

LAST YEAR WE DID THAT INITIAL.

THANK YOU. I REMEMBER THAT.

YES. SO IS THERE ANY CONVERSATION AROUND AS THE GREEN CENTS PROGRAM AND THAT $1 MILLION IS IS SHIFTED OUT OF DC MERGING THAT WITH SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK FUND OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT KEEPING THOSE CONTINUING TO KEEP THOSE SEPARATE? AS FAR AS THE FUNDING, I MEAN, AS FAR AS JUST A FUND STRUCTURE, I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE GET AS FAR AS IF WE WANTED TO TRANSFER IT OVER TO SHOW IT.

I GUESS BIG PICTURE, THE TOTAL BUDGET WE'RE DOING THIS FOR FORMING AS IN ADDITION TO NOT AS IT'S GOING TO.

IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A REPLACEMENT.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT 3 BILLION AS WE MOVE OVER.

BUT I THINK THAT'S A POSSIBILITY IF WE JUST WANT TO SAY DO TRANSFERS THAT OVER.

BUT FOR NOW, IT'S JUST THAT STILL HOUSING DMAE OBVIOUSLY WITH ALL THE SUSTAINABILITY COMPONENTS AND THIS IS A SEPARATE ISSUE, JUST SO I APPRECIATE THE PROPOSED EB 523 ALLOCATION UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO BE.

THERE'S JUST NOT A WAY TO KNOW TODAY WHAT THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO BE THROUGH.

523 AND IF IT'S GOING TO WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE FOR YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.

I KIND OF LIKE TO PUT A PIN IN THE IDEA, THOUGH, BECAUSE WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CATALYST FUND.

INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS.

THESE ARE THIS IS MONEY THAT COMES OUT OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

DOES IT GO INTO INFRASTRUCTURE? TWO THINGS. ONE, THAT THE CATALYST FUND AND THE SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK FUND ARE BOTH THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON INFRASTRUCTURE.

THERE MAY BE A CATALYST FUND FUNDED INCENTIVE PROJECT THAT IS AN OVERSIZE WATER PIPE OR AN EXTENSION OF A ROADWAY OR A STOPLIGHT.

SOME PLACE THAT TRUCKS CAN GET IN AND OUT OF A LOGISTICS CENTER OR SOMETHING.

SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE SPENDING THERE.

IF THE GENERAL FUND CAPITAL THAT OBVIOUSLY TIES IN THERE, THEN WE GET DOWN TO THAT 2 MILLION FOR STREETS.

EXCUSE ME. I THINK I'D REALLY LIKE TO PUT A PIN IN AND THINK ABOUT THE COUNCIL DISCUSSING LATER ON.

IF THAT DATA CENTER REVENUE IS ABOVE PROJECTION.

AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT TODAY, IS IT BEING ABOVE PROJECTION? WE'RE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IT BEING BELOW.

I'D LIKE TO KEEP THIS ALLOCATION WHERE IT IS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF STS.

I'D LIKE ANY KIND OF.

SPLASH OVER FROM THAT FUN TO GO STRAIGHT INTO STREETS.

I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE THING THAT WE HEAR THE MOST ABOUT.

I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE THING THAT MY DAUGHTER TOLD YOU ALL SENT ME A STORY THIS MORNING.

THE FIRST THING MY DAUGHTER SAID WHEN SHE REALIZED WHAT I WAS DOING TODAY WAS, ARE YOU GOING TO FIX THE DANG ROADS? THAT'S WHERE THE EXTRA MONEY NEEDS TO GO.

SO THERE'S SLASH OVER FROM THAT 2 MILLION.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT GO THERE SPLASHED OVER FROM THE 13.9 MILLION.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT GO INTO THAT 2 MILLION WE HAVE FOR STREETS.

COMPLEX STREETS, MA'AM. EXCUSE ME.

YEAH. AND JUST TO PICK UP, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WAS.

IT'S THE LOWEST THING, LOWEST FUNDING ON THAT PROPOSED LIST.

AND THAT'S THAT JUST IS AN ISSUE FOR ME.

RIGHT. I MEAN, IT IS THE SINGLE THING WE HEARD.

BUT I THINK THE THE WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IN ADDITION TO THAT INFORM THAT DECISION IS AND YOU SEE IT WITH THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS WHERE THEY HAVE IF WE HAVE FUNDING, HERE'S WHAT WE COULD DO.

I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS STREETS THAT ARE READY TO GO, PROJECTS THAT ARE SCOPED, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING VERSUS READY TO SCOPE, DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING. SO IF WE HAD AND I'M SURE THAT LIST LIVED SOMEWHERE AND I'M SURE MAYBE IT MAYBE GETS EMAILED TO ME EVERY FRIDAY, I JUST I JUST DON'T KNOW.

WHAT I'M SAYING, THOUGH, IS FOR, FOR THIS CONVERSATION, THAT IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO THAT THAT WOULD INFORM MY BECAUSE IF IF IF WE SAID THERE'S $1 MILLION WORTH OF STREET PROJECTS THAT WE COULD GET DONE OR GET STARTED IN 2023, THEN I WOULD WANT TO SHIFT MONEY AROUND.

AND SO THAT'S THE OTHER QUESTION THAT YOU COULD ANSWER TODAY IS MID MID YEAR NEXT YEAR WE COULD AS A COUNCIL, WE COULD SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO

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AND THAT WOULD BE ASSUMING THAT MONEY STILL EITHER ONE NOT GENERATED OR NOT ASSIGNED TO A PROJECT.

WE COULD DO THAT AS A BODY.

YEAH, AND I CAN'T ANSWER BOTH THOSE QUESTIONS AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT FIRST AND BECKY CAN COME UP HERE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

WRONG, I WOULD SAY, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW FAST CAN WE HOW MUCH CAN WE GET DONE ON THIS PROGRAM.

ALL OF OUR RECONSTRUCTIONS, LET'S SAY THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE NEXT YEAR, JUST AS FAR AS TRYING TO GET CONTRACTORS IN AND GET ASPHALT, I THINK WE'RE AT OUR ABSOLUTE CAPACITY ON THE NUMBERS, WHICH YOU CAN DO, BUT WE NEED THE 2 MILLION THINGS LIKE THAT JUST FOR FUNDING GAPS AND CONTINGENCIES THAT COME UP.

SO I DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S A MATTER OF ADDING MORE CAPACITY IN FY 23 IN FUTURE YEARS, FOR SURE.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S JUST WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW WITH OUR RECONSTRUCTIONS.

BUT CERTAINLY MID-YEAR, I THINK WE CAN HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS IF REVENUES.

WELL, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU.

AND THAT'S GREAT TO KNOW.

SO I THINK THE NEXT PHASE OF THAT IS FROM A SCOPING STANDPOINT, RIGHT.

SO IF WE NEED TO GET START SCOPING.

SO I TAKE YOU AT THAT THAT, HEY, WE'RE AT CAPACITY AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION.

NOW, THE NEXT PHASE OF THAT WOULD BE IF THERE'S EXTRA MONEY AND IF WE APPLIED IT TO SCOPING A PROJECT, IS THAT PRODUCTIVE OR NOT? IT MAY NOT BE JUST BECAUSE OF SO MUCH TIED TO THE BONDS.

BUT BUT YEAH, THAT'S GREAT FEEDBACK.

THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. I THINK IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

AND I SUPPOSE THIS REALLY QUESTION JUST ABOUT YOUR WORK IN GENERAL, IS IT SENSIBLE OR IS IT NONSENSE TO SUGGEST THAT THAT WE SET PERCENTAGES OF DATA SET OR ALLOCATE PERCENTAGES OF DATA CENTER REVENUE RATHER THAN DOLLAR AMOUNTS, GIVEN THAT WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT REVENUE IS GOING TO BE? WELL, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE DOING, BECAUSE THE WAY THE WAY I WOULD ENVISIONING OPERATING RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE PERCENTAGE BASED ON THESE TOTALS. AND EVERY DOLLAR WE GET IN, WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE THEM OUT TO THE FUND.

SO SO THAT KIND OF IS WHAT KIND OF IS WHAT WE'RE DOING ESSENTIALLY.

RIGHT, I THINK. I'LL JUST BRIEFLY, I'D LIKE TO COSIGN ON THE IDEA OF YOU SAW ME IN THE WORK SESSION.

I WAS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND COUNCILOR DAVIS REITERATED THAT.

AND I JUST I THINK THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S KEEPING THINGS IN THE LANE THAT THEY WERE THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR AND ENFORCE.

I'D REALLY LIKE TO COSIGN ON THAT IDEA THAT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS FOR THOSE CATALYST FUNDS FOR THIS COMPONENT OF IT, AND I WOULD SAY AS WELL THAT THAT I WOULD FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT TYPE OF APPROACH TO IT.

BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE THE SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK FUND GET SHORT SHRIFT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S AT LEAST ONE MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL WHO VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE DATA CENTER PLAN BECAUSE IT WAS A FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THE SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK FUND. SO I REALLY ANY APPROACH THAT SAYS OKAY AMOUNTS OVER THIS ARE GOING TO GO TO STREETS, ARE GOING TO GO TO THE CAPITAL, THE CATALYST FUND.

I WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH I FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH AN APPROACH THAT SAYS, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IF WE GET 13.9 MILLION, IF WE GET 20 MILLION, THE PROPORTIONS ARE STILL GOING TO BE THE SAME.

I FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

I AGREE WITH THAT. I DO WANT TO CIRCLE BACK TO THIS LITTLE CLARITY BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE SOME POLICY RAMIFICATIONS.

WHEN YOU SAY YOU WANT TO SEE HOW THIS FUND GOES, THAT GOES TO INFRASTRUCTURE.

RIGHT NOW, OUR IDEA OF THE FUND IS THAT IS THE ENTIRE FUNDING FOR THE CATALYST FUND, AND IT'S MORE THAN JUST HELPING OUT WITH INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION, HOW DOES ONE MAKE SURE I HEAR THAT? BECAUSE WHEN YOU START TO SEE THOSE PROJECTS COME FORWARD, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN JUST INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND FOR MYSELF, I DON'T I'M NOT ASKING THAT IT ALL BE THAT WAY.

I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE STRUCTURE OF THE CATALYST FUND.

I JUST I THINK THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO PULL MONEY FROM INFRASTRUCTURE SOURCES, THEN THEN YOU SHOULD BE PREDOMINANTLY BIASING THAT TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE DISCOUNTS, AS IT WERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO HOW WHAT WAS THE CONVERSATION LIKE TO PUT THESE DOLLAR AMOUNTS IN PLACE? I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT AT ONE TIME GENERAL FUND CAPITAL WOULD HAVE BEEN.

YOU KNOW, A HIGHER PRIORITY MAYBE IS SUSTAINABILITY.

WE'VE COMMITTED TO SUSTAINABILITY FUND.

I'M NOT MAKING ANY KIND OF YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A CURIOSITY QUESTION AS TO HOW THESE NUMBERS CAME TO BE.

EACH ONE OF THESE AREAS HERE.

YEAH. I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS US TRYING TO THROW SOMETHING OUT THERE FOR FOR POLICY CONVERSATIONS, THE GENERAL FUND.

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THE CATALYST FUND WAS THE $5 MILLION WAS REALLY IN LINE WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, KNOWING THE TARGETS WE'RE GOING TO GET TO.

SO THOSE CAME NATURALLY AND KNOWING THE IMPORTANCE AS WE'RE HAVING THE CORE SCIENTIFIC CONVERSATIONS LAST YEAR ON SUSTAINABILITY, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD FUNDING FOR THAT BASED ON PREVIOUS COUNCIL DIRECTIONS.

SO THAT WAS THE METHODOLOGY.

SO THAT WAS BASED ON PREVIOUS.

YEAH. LIKE COUNCILMAN DAVID SAID, WE HEAR MORE ABOUT STREET THAN $2 BILLION.

DOES THAT SEEM LIKE IT'S LIKE A DROP IN THE BUCKET IN TERMS OF THE STREETS? BUT IT JUST LOOKS AND LOOKS LIKE A PROCESS WAS DONE.

MY CURIOSITY.

THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT.

IF I MAY. I'M SORRY.

I APOLOGIZE. OKAY. JUST REAL QUICK.

SO I'VE HEARD COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS COUNCILMEMBER TALK ABOUT.

INFRASTRUCTURE, DOLLARS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT CONFUSED ABOUT.

SO THESE ARE THE FUNDS COMING FROM THIS DATA CENTER, WHICH REPRESENT RATE OF RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND FRANCHISE FEES.

NOW, THE FRANCHISE, WHICH ONE GOES TO THE STREET FUND? SO IS THAT FRANCHISE FEE.

NOW THE RATE OF RETURN ON INVESTMENT GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

SO THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY TAKING INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS OUTSIDE OF THE WAY WE DO FRANCHISE FEE RIGHT NOW.

BUT WHAT I REMEMBER FROM THE CONVERSATION WAS FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT, NUMBER ONE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A SUSTAINABILITY FUND AND DECIDED TO CREATE THAT LAST YEAR. WE DON'T HAVE A CATALYST FUND FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO I THINK ONE REASON WHY THE STREET FUND IS LOWERED AND ONE REASON WHY THE ONE TIME BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF BUDGET ALLOCATION OF FUNDING FOR THAT.

BUT I ALSO NOTE ONE TIME GENERAL FUND CAPITAL AND STREET CAPITAL.

THOSE AREN'T NECESSARILY MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, ISN'T A ONE TIME GENERAL FUND CAPITAL THAT COULD BE A STREET AND OR IS IT EXCLUDED FROM THAT? I MEAN, IT COULD BE A STREET OR IT COULD BE A FIRE TRUCK.

BUT MY POINT BEING THAT IF IF THE STREET CAPITAL, IF WE DON'T HAVE A ONE TIME PLAN TO FUND CAPITAL THAT WOULD FIT IN IF WE HAD A GREAT NEED FOR IT TO BE TOWARDS A STREET. IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE ARE SOMEWHAT INTERCHANGEABLE.

THIS IS ALSO A COUNCIL POLICY DISCUSSION WE CAN HAVE AT ANY TIME.

AS FAR AS AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PERCENTAGES, BECAUSE I FIGURED THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT FOR EVERY DOLLAR YOU GET IN.

YOU JUST TAKE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE 13, WHATEVER THIS IS, AND YOU JUST YOU JUST ALLOCATE IT.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAD SOME CLARITY ON THE WHOLE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THE FRANCHISE FEE, WE DO PUT THAT MONEY GENERALLY POLICY PERSPECTIVE CURRENTLY TOWARDS THE STREET BANK RESPONSIBILITY.

BUT IS THAT RIGHT? 80 OR 80%? 80%. SO NOT ALL OF IT 80%, BUT THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT THAT ALL FLOWS INTO THE GENERAL FUND FOR JUST GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR ATTEMPTING TO GET WITH YOU.

NO, I'M GOOD. I THINK YOU HAVE.

THANKS FOR FOLLOWING UP. SURE.

ONE LAST POINT ON THE SUSTAINABILITY FUND FRAMEWORK FUND, WHEN I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S IN ITS INFANCY, WHO BEGINS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON POLICIES TO BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL ON THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS? AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU MISSED OVER THE PAST YEAR.

BUT SO IT WENT TO THE SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK COMMITTEE FOR THE INITIAL AND THEN THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

COUNCIL ADOPTED THE RECOMMENDATION.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THOSE. WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE PROJECTS IDENTIFIED FOR THE FIRST 600,000 FROM THIS 500,000 FROM THIS YEAR.

SO WE'LL DO THE SAME THING WITH SALT.

AND MOST OF THAT WAS FOR A CONSULTANT ON THAT.

THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WAS A BIG PORTION OF IT, BUT WE ALSO HAD SOME ELECTRONICALLY.

OKAY, GOOD. FANTASTIC.

THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO PUT INTO THE RECORD FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONE, SO FRANCHISE FEES, THE PURPOSE OF FRANCHISE FEE IS TO PROVIDE COMPENSATION TO THE CITY IN RETURN TO ALLOWING UTILITIES TO ACCESS CITIES.

RIGHT OF WAY. JUST SO I MEAN, WE TALK ABOUT THAT A LOT AND I'M JUST IN CASE PEOPLE WONDER WHAT THAT IS.

THANK YOU FOR THE IT'S IN THE MATERIAL BUT JUST IN CASE SOMEONE'S TRACKING ALONG AND DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS SO THAT LIKE WE'RE NOT OPEN ENOUGH TO GET IN.

2.0 IN MCKINNEY WITH A DRAFT.

SO ONE LAST QUICK QUESTION.

WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT 13.9 SPLIT BETWEEN FRANCHISE FEE? YEAH, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN HALF IS ROI.

SO SIX, RIGHT, 6%.

FRANCHISEES, 5%.

SO. I DO HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP ON THAT TO THAT POINT, BECAUSE I WAS TALKING TO SOME PEOPLE ABOUT THIS.

DO WE ARE WE TRACKING FRANCHISE FEES TO GO DOWN, ULTIMATELY GO AWAY AT SOME POINT BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH WIRELESS,

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BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE TOTALITY OF IT.

WHAT DO YOU SEE? YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE PROJECTING OUR SPEEDS TO PLATEAU TO SOME DEGREE.

I THINK WHEN YOU STEP BACK BECAUSE WE'RE FULL SERVICE CITY, THE MAJORITY OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR FRANCHISE FEES ACTUALLY COME FROM OUR UTILITIES, OUR INTERNAL UTILITY. SO THOSE ARE GOING TO KEEP GOING UP AS WE HAVE PROJECTIONS ON INCREASES FROM OUR UTILITIES ON THE NON UTILITY REVENUE WE'RE ALREADY ARE PROJECTING THOSE FLATTEN OUT. ONE FOR THAT REASON ALSO IF YOU REMEMBER THIS IS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THERE WAS A LEGISLATION THAT CAME THROUGH THAT SAID UTILITIES, IF THEY HAVE A PHONE LINE AND A INTERNET LINE, THEY'LL HAVE A DIFFERENT ONE.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR TWO. SO WE ALSO HAVE LEGISLATION CHANGES THAT ARE LIMITING THE AMOUNT THAT AT&T PAY IN SUBPOENAS.

SO IF IT WASN'T FOR THE FACT THAT WE HAVE OUR INTERNAL UTILITIES KEEPING THAT SOMEWHAT STABLE, YEAH, WE WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT DECREASES.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO WE'LL TALK ABOUT SPECIAL REVENUE PLANS AND THERE'S A LOT OF THEM.

OBVIOUSLY, YOUR BACK, THE BUDGET BOOK IS GOING TO HAVE DETAIL ON EACH OF THESE.

BUT SOME OF THESE I'M GOING TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF THEM.

SOME OF THEM JUST TALK ABOUT IT.

VERY HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY.

AND WE'RE CERTAINLY HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

AND WE ARE WE TOUCH ON INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS.

YOU ALL KNOW ENTERPRISE FUNDS OR UTILITIES SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS ARE ARE FUNDS THAT HAVE A DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE.

AND FOR THE MOST PART, FOR MANY OF THEM, NOT ONLY IS A DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE, BUT WE ARE RESTRICTED IN HOW WE CAN USE THE FUNDS.

SO THE REVENUE IS TIED TO ITS USE.

22 TOTAL HERE.

SOME OF THE MAJOR ONES THAT WILL CATCH ON QUICKLY AS WE GO THROUGH THESE SLIDES HERE IS OUR DOWNTOWN TERS FUND AND I THINK IT'S WORTH HAVING A LITTLE CONVERSATION ON THIS.

YOU CAN YOU CAN SEE OUR REVENUES RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT TO OBVIOUSLY INCREASE AGAIN THIS YEAR WITH CERTIFIED VALUES OR CERTIFIED ESTIMATES GOING UP, WE'RE GOING TO BE AT A POINT WHERE THIS YEAR WE HAVE A $3.3 MILLION IN THE FUND BALANCE.

RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY THING WE'RE BUDGETING FOR IS OUR REINVESTMENT GRANT PROGRAM, WHICH YOU WILL SEE IS THOSE COME THROUGH, THOSE ARE THE EDP SUBCOMMITTEE AND INTO THE CHURCH BOARD BEFORE THEY COME HERE.

THIS IS ALSO THE FIRST YEAR UP UNTIL THIS YEAR WE HAD 95% OF OUR INCREMENT FROM THE DOWNTOWN TERS, STAY IN THE TERS AND 5% GO TO THE GENERAL FUND. THAT NOW RATCHETS DOWN BASED ON THE WAY THAT THE STORY WAS SET UP.

WE'RE NOW 90% OF THE INCREMENT STAYS IN THE TERS AND 10% COMES TO THE GENERAL FUND.

THE NUMBER OF YEARS AGO IS 85% UNLESS WE CHANGE IT.

SO WE'RE STARTING TO BUILD UP THAT FUND BALANCE.

I THINK WE ARE.

WE NEED TO HAVE WHEN WE STARTED THESE LAST YEAR, WE HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THE THIRD BOARD.

WE CAME TO COUNCIL.

A BIG INITIATIVE THIS YEAR IS GOING TO BE HAVING TRUE COVERAGE AND IT'S GOING TO TIE THE MASTER PLAN TO THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

THE SMALLER EVERYTHING DOWNTOWN, ALL THE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT WE WANT THE TERMS TO BE.

IS IT STRUCTURED THE RIGHT WAY OR THE BOUNDARIES THE WAY THEY NEED TO BE? BUT REALLY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO SPEND THESE FUNDS? WE HAVE OUR PROJECT PLAN, BUT WE NEED TO GET MORE AGGRESSIVE IN MAKING SOME DECISIONS ON ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH JUST SPENDING ON INFRASTRUCTURE OR DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT SOME INCENTIVE AGREEMENTS AND REALLY BE AGGRESSIVE WITH HOW WE REVITALIZE DOWNTOWN? SO IT TOOK A WHILE TO GET TO A POINT WHERE IT STARTED BUILDING UP IN BALANCE, BUT NOW WE'RE BUILDING THAT FUND BALANCE UP AND WE NEED TO HAVE SOME GOOD POLICY CONVERSATIONS.

WE STARTED THOSE WITH THE TOURIST BOARD.

WE HAD THEM LAST YEAR. WE ACTUALLY HAD A WE HAD A PLAN THAT CAME TO COUNCIL LAST YEAR AND SOME OPTIONS.

SO WE'LL BE BRINGING THOSE BACK TO YOU OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR SO, IF THAT'S MY ONE.

MY ONLY QUESTION ABOUT THE SPECIAL RESCUE FUNDS IS WHENEVER WE GET INTO THE TERSE CONVERSATION BACK BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE HIT SOME GOOD SOME WE HAD A REALLY MEATY CONVERSATION THE LAST TIME COUNCIL HAD IT.

AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF STAFF TIME AND THE CHURCH BOARD HAS TO LOOK AT IT TOO.

BUT WHEN DO WE GET TO SINK THEIR TEETH BACK INTO THE CONVERSATION? BECAUSE IT TIES INTO SO MANY OF THESE THINGS? I MEAN, EVERYTHING FROM DRAINAGE TO STREET AWNINGS.

THIS IS AVAILABLE FOR YOUR SPRINKLERS.

I MEAN, FIRE SPRINKLER, THE WHOLE THING.

WHEN WHEN DO WE GET TO GET BACK IN? YEAH, I'LL LET WAYNE COME OUT AND HE'S GOING TO JUMP INTO IT AND GIVE SOME PERSPECTIVE.

I'LL SAY JUST ONE PIECE BEFORE WAYNE BEGINS.

WE'RE STARTING THIS CONVERSATION AS GOOD AS IF YOU WERE LAST YEAR.

ONE EXAMPLE OF THE CONVERSATION IS DO WE WANT TO DEVOTE THIS TO GET THE PET PROJECT MOVING FORWARD? IT'S A GIVE AND TAKE. YOU DO THAT.

YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR SOME OF THOSE REVITALIZATION THINGS.

IT CAN'T CONTINUE TO SELL.

WE HAVE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

WE HAD INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE THIRD BOARD, BUT QUITE A GET SOME PERSPECTIVES.

YES. SO I THINK KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT, DAVID ALREADY MENTIONED, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO REALLY DO IS JUST KIND OF UPDATE THE PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME

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AND REALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE DIFFERENT PROJECTS, WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IS INSTEAD OF EVALUATING EACH PROJECT, WE SHOULD BE SEEING HOW IT TIES TO THE BROADER PROJECT PLAN. AND I WOULD SAY JUST BASED ON MY CONVERSATIONS WITH MY STAFF AND PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY IS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING A LOT OF MOMENTUM OF PEOPLE WANTING TO INVEST IN DOWNTOWN THAT PRIOR WE DIDN'T.

SO MAYBE WHEN THE PRIOR PROJECT PLAN WAS ADOPTED, THERE WASN'T A LOT OF INTEREST OR THERE WASN'T REAL DIRECTION ON WHERE THAT COULD GO.

BUT I THINK NOW'S THE PERFECT TIME TO DO IT.

AND THIS IS ONE OF MY TOP PRIORITIES NOW, IS TO START HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE WITH THE BOARD, WITH COUNCIL AND KIND OF SEEING WHICH DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO.

SO I THINK THE FIRST STEP REALLY IS JUST TAKING A LOOK AT THAT PROJECT PLAN AND REALLY SEEING SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENED, WHAT HASN'T AND WHAT DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO.

AND I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT THE PROJECT.

TO THE PROJECT PLAN CONVERSATIONS.

THE CONVERSATIONS HAVE TWO OF.

FIRST, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANY OF THESE NEXT STEPS, I SAY, WITHOUT HAVING CERTAIN THINGS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY USING THE MONEY FOR.

BUT THERE'S LEGITIMATE CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE ABOUT WHAT IS THE BOUNDARY OF THE TERMS, WHY? WHAT SHOULD THE CAP BE? SHOULD WE CONTINUE THIS RATCHETING DOWN OF THE AMOUNT GOING THERE? SHOULD THAT BE 100% TO THE BOUNDARIES BE BIGGER? SHOULD WE NOT HAVE A CAP? THOSE ARE ALL CONVERSATIONS THEY HAVE.

AND UNTIL WE CAN SHOW THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY, I THINK THOSE ARE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS.

Q ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD AND I WAS I'VE BEEN REALLY UNCLEAR ABOUT THE TERMS AND AND HONESTLY, ANYBODY EDUCATE ME A LITTLE BIT IS OUR ARE WE LOOKING AT SORT OF REGULARIZED EVEN IN A PROJECTS OVER TIME, OR ARE WE LOOKING AT BURST CAPACITY? ARE WE LOOKING AT THE ABILITY TO GO BOOM ALL OF A SUDDEN A BIG THING? OR ARE WE LOOKING AT DRIBBLING OUT SOME INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT IN GENERAL ACROSS THE TERMS? AND I'VE NOT BEEN CLEAR ON THE GOALS.

TO JUST BE FRANK, I THINK THAT'S SO.

SO THE WAY IF YOU WERE TO SET THE TERMS FROM DAY ONE, YOU WOULD WANT WHAT'S CALLED A CATALYST PROJECT.

AND THAT'S WHERE IT REALLY GETS THE TERMS TAKEN OFF.

THIS REALLY HASN'T HAPPENED.

THIS IS MORE OF LIKE A SNOWBALL EFFECT.

AND SO AT ANY POINT, WE COULD CONVERT AND DO THAT CATALYST PROJECT AND HOPE THAT IT'S AN AVALANCHE DOWN AS OPPOSED TO A SNOWBALL.

BUT ABSENT A CATALYST PROJECT, THEN YOUR ALTERNATIVE IS TO KIND OF DO MORE OF THAT, THAT SNOWBALL AND LET IT BUILD UNTIL THE RIGHT PROJECT COMES ALONG.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE JUST NEED THAT PROJECT.

SURE. WE'VE ALL HEARD THERE'S AT LEAST I KNOW ONE PROJECT THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A CATALYST PROJECT, SO THAT COULD BE A GOOD CANDIDATE, BUT IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE MARKET IS DOING.

SO IF THE MARKET ISN'T PRESENTED WITH THIS, THEN MAYBE WE DO THAT SNOWBALL AND WE WAIT TILL THAT THAT HAPPENS.

THAT'S WHAT. NOW I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE IN HERE THAT WAS AROUND WHEN THIS WAS CREATED.

AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I WAS OPPOSED TO IT FOR THE VERY REASON THAT YOU JUST SPOKE OF, AND THAT IS THE PLAN HAD ALL THESE CATALYST PROJECTS.

I MEAN, THE WAY THAT IT'S HAPPENED IS THE EXACT REVERSE OF HOW THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS SUPPOSED TO WORK.

AND THAT IS MOST OF THE VALUATION INCREASE WAS TO COME FROM CATALYST PROJECTS AND A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF IT WAS TO COME FROM INCREASED ASSET VALUE OVER EXISTING PROJECTS. THE EXACT REVERSE IS HAPPENED.

WE'VE HAD VERY FEW CATALYST PROJECTS AND MOST OF IT HAS BEEN.

SO I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF JUST RELOOKING AT THIS ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE TO GET A NEW, FRESH VISION FOR IT, AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT EXPANDING IT.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY TO PARTICIPATE BECAUSE THE COUNTY DID NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE LAST ONE.

SO THIS IS A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE BECAUSE THE WAY IT WAS SET UP ORIGINALLY TO DO AN UPDATE ON THAT, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S TOTALLY THE OPPOSITE OF HOW IT WAS ORIGINALLY STRUCTURED AND IT JUST NEEDS TO HAVE A FRESH SET OF EYES AND A FRESH SET OF VISION BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN DO DOWNTOWN.

WE GOT GETTING EVERYTHING OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN, WHICH IS WHAT, $17 MILLION, WHICH IS GOING TO OPEN UP A WHOLE DIFFERENT AVENUE.

YOU EXPAND THE TERMS TO INCLUDE DOWN TO EAGLE DRIVE OR SOMEWHERE DOWN TO GET THE COUNTY INVOLVED.

YOU CAN REVOLUTIONIZE THIS WHOLE CONCEPT OF DOWNTOWN AND HOW DO WE PROVIDE DIFFERENT INCENTIVES AND GET OTHER PEOPLE TO PARTNER IN.

BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE A PARTNER, WHICH JUST ALL OUR OWN MONEY, WE'RE JUST SEGREGATING IT.

WE'RE SAYING INSTEAD OF PUTTING IN THE GENERAL FUND, WE'LL PUT IT HERE.

BUT I THINK I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD OPPORTUNITIES.

NOT ORIGINALLY IT WAS NOT TO BE THE SNOWBALL EFFECT.

IT WAS TO BE FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WOULD BE CATALYST PROJECTS AND THOSE JUST HAVE MATERIALIZED.

SO IT'S GOOD TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN.

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IT MADE ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD TO ME AT THE TIME.

I'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS BIG CATALYST PROJECTS AND HOW WE'RE ACTUALLY REINVESTING INTO THE ZONE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S A CONVERSATION I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO.

YOU CAN TELL THEM A LITTLE ANTSY TO HAVE IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, JUST BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION COSTS JUST KEEP GOING UP.

AND WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

I WILL SAY MINE IS MORE OF A POLICY.

LOOK AT IT, BUT IT TIES IN.

I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU AND HAVE YOU TALK TO WHOEVER OWNS THE MCNEILL'S BUILDING BECAUSE THAT'S THE NEXT HUGE COMPONENT.

THEY'RE GOING AWAY.

WHAT LET'S TO YOUR POINT, LET'S NOT LET A WE FEEL THAT SPOT.

LET'S BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT WE WHAT WE WE DO THERE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BOTH BUILDINGS RIGHT THERE, THEIR MAIN BUILDING AND THE THE POST OFFICE. YEAH. YEAH.

SO GOT THAT. SO, SO THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS.

WE SHOULD BE ACTIVELY TRYING TO BE PURPOSEFUL ABOUT THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

SO THAT'S BOTH FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT.

WHAT I MEAN IS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY OF LEWISVILLE SAID, HEY, YOU CAN'T BE OCCUPY SPACE DOWNTOWN IF YOU'RE NOT OPEN THESE PARTICULAR HOURS BY ORDINANCE.

AND SO WHAT DO WE WANT OUR DOWNTOWN TO LOOK LIKE? HOW DO WE WANT TO PROGRAMMATICALLY SUPPORT THESE INVESTMENTS AND BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA? SO LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION.

SIMILARLY, COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS WITH MINE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THAT THAT TARGET.

AND SO STAFF CAN GET YOU UP TO SPEED, WAYNE BUT IT'S IT'S SWUNG WILDLY.

YOU HAD PEOPLE THAT SAID, HEY, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A DIME UNTIL WE GET UP TO LIKE 3 MILLION AND WE'RE GOING TO BUY A PARKING GARAGE TO EVERYONE'S LIKE, HEY, I WANT TO SPEND EVERY DIME ON EVERYTHING.

AND THEN WE LAND IT SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.

SO IT'S JUST BEEN AND IT JUST EVERY YEAR IT CHANGES, RIGHT? SO IT'S JUST KIND OF HARD TO NAIL IT DOWN.

BUT SO I THINK THAT THIS CONVERSATION WILL GIVE I MEAN, AGAIN, FUTURE COUNTIES CAN IGNORE IT, BUT IT WILL GIVE SOME DIRECTION, AT LEAST ON PREFERENCE.

ABSOLUTELY. I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THAT.

SO I WOULD JUST TAKE ONE MORE COMMENT IN CONTEXT OF THE TOTAL BUDGET.

AND THESE OTHER ONES WILL NOT IMPEDE THE MOMENTUM THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD THE TERMS. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR BUDGET, WE'VE ALREADY SAID WE'RE HAVING THIS FOCUS ON THE TIERS.

WE'VE GOT THIS SMALL AREA DOWNTOWN SMALL AREA PLAN THAT WAS FUNDED MID-YEAR.

WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR WHAT WE'RE CALLING A DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, WHICH REALLY JUST BECOMES A AMPED UP SMALL AREA PLAN WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT IT COMPREHENSIVELY.

SO THE DOWNTOWN FOCUS THROUGHOUT THIS BUDGET THROUGHOUT THE NEXT YEAR DOESN'T WORK OUT OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT ACROSS THE BOARD IS GOING TO BE INTENSE.

SO I THINK WE'LL SEE SOME GOOD THINGS OVER THE NEXT YEAR, THANKFULLY.

HERE'S JUST THE NUMBERS WHERE YOU CAN SEE THEM.

AND I THINK AS WE'VE SEEN AS A CONSEQUENCE OF WHAT'S POINTED OUT, THAT NEW VALUE ISN'T WHAT'S DRIVING THE INCREASES, IT'S THE APPRECIATION OF THE CURRENT.

WEST, OUR TURN IS FAIRLY MORE PRETTY MORE PRETTY MUCH MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD.

IT'S CONTINUES TO GO STRONG.

PRETTY SIMPLE BUDGET.

WE'RE DOING PAYMENT OUT TO WINCO AND WE'VE BEEN FUNDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THERE.

SO THE FUNDS GOING STRONG.

IS IT BUILT OUT OUT THERE IN THE WEST PARK? IS THERE STILL DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH IS STILL OUT THERE AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT? NOT NOT MUCH.

I DON'T KNOW. I THOUGHT MOST OF IT HAD ALREADY BEEN BUILT OUT INTO 300 ACRES ON THE BACK SIDE.

ONCE THE LOOP IS COMPLETE, ISN'T THAT PART OF TERMS? I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG A PIECE.

YOU KNOW, HOW BUILT OUT THERE.

OH, IT'S ALMOST BUILT OUT.

THERE'S NOT MUCH LEFT.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT.

I HAVEN'T DONE A DEEP DIVE ON IT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME EXCESS CAPACITY.

AND BASICALLY WHAT WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE FUND AND WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE LAND.

SO THAT THAT COULD BE ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT EXPANDING THE BOUNDARIES OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THAT, BUT THAT THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. I THINK WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH A REPORT ON HOW MUCH AND HOW MUCH IS THERE.

YEAH, JUST MAKE SURE IT'S ENOUGH SPACE FOR A CEMENT PLANT.

THOSE ARE POLICY CONVERSATIONS ARE ONGOING.

YES. ALL RIGHT.

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THE FIRST ONE WE CERTAINLY WANT TO TOUCH ON IS THE HOT BUNS.

WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS EXPENDITURES FROM THE HOT BUNS ARE REFLECT THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW TO DIVIDE THE HOT FUNDS TO THE VARIOUS ENTITIES THAT IS DETAILED IN THE BUDGET AS WELL.

THAT'S IN YOUR BUDGET. YOU CAN SEE THAT ALLOCATION FOR EACH OF THE EACH OF THE ENTITIES THAT MAKE UP THE $3.8 MILLION.

SO THE RECREATION FUND AND WE'LL BE HONEST ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION ON THE RECREATION FUND.

RECREATIONAL WAS CREATED A LONG TIME AGO TO SHOW A LOT OF THOSE PROGRAMS THAT WE DO ON THE RECREATION STANDPOINT THAT BRING IN REVENUES.

IT IS YOU CAN SEE THAT SECOND LINE TO THE BOTTOM.

IT SHOWS THE TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND THAT I MEAN, IT'S BASICALLY JUST AN OFFSHOOT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

GENERAL FUND TRANSFER HELPS TO HELPS TO PAY FOR THESE.

SO WE'RE WE'RE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT MAYBE ARE THERE OTHER WAYS THAT WE COULD ORGANIZE THIS TO MAKE IT A LITTLE CLEANER? BUT THIS DOES SHOW A LOT OF THOSE THE REVENUES AND THE EXPENSES THAT WE GET IN THAT ARE TIED TO OUR PROGRAMS AND DIFFERENT THINGS AT THE REC CENTERS OR OUT OF THE PARKS OR ELSEWHERE. SO MORE DETAIL IN YOUR BUDGETS ON THOSE, BUT ONE THAT WE SHOWED A FUN SUMMARY THERE AND SEE IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS ON THE RIGHT ONE.

SORRY. REC REC CARE WITH THAT LINE ITEM IS IS THAT THE KIDS DAY OUT CAMPS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF? YES, IT'S SUMMER CAMPS, I THOUGHT SO.

I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND PINPOINT THAT AND SHOW US HOW INVESTED THE CITY IS IN PROVIDING QUALITY CHILD CARE FOR THE CITY. IT'S A IT'S A BUSINESS THAT WE'RE UP TO OUR EYEBALLS IN ALREADY.

IT'S ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS WE DO.

IT'S VERY VISIBLE.

MY FAMILY TAKES ADVANTAGE OF IT.

PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.

THEY COME WORK HERE.

IT'S FUN TO PUT THEM IN THAT.

LOTS OF PIECES.

I GOT THIS. AND THEN.

SO. SO THIS IS JUST SHOWING THE CATTLE IS FUN.

YOU SEE THE 7 MILLION THERE? THAT'S 5 MILLION FROM THE CATALYST FUND OR FROM THE SCIENTIFIC FUNDS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

AND WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE 2 MILLION FROM WATER AND WASTEWATER, 1 MILLION EACH TO HELP CREATE THE FUND.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WE'LL BE BRINGING THIS FORWARD TO ACTUALLY AMEND THE FUND.

WHEN WE SAY CREATE THE BUBBLE.

WE ALREADY HAD THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INVESTMENT FUND THAT BROUGHT IN SOME BEVERAGE TAX.

SO MOST LIKELY WE'LL JUST REIMAGINE THAT FUND AND BRING AN ORDINANCE TO TO CREATE THE CATALYST FROM THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE SHOWING THAT HISTORY THERE ON WHAT THAT FUND WILL LOOK LIKE, OBVIOUSLY CONTINGENT ON GETTING THOSE REVENUES ACTUALLY IN.

IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY FUND.

YOU CAN SEE WE DID THE 500,000 THIS YEAR, HAD THE 500,000 EXPENSES.

SO NOT SHOWING THE FUND BALANCE THERE, BUT THAT WOULD BE ZERO.

AND THEN WE'RE SHOWING $4 MILLION NEXT YEAR FOR SUSTAINABILITY.

SO HERE'S OUR STREET IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WHICH I KNOW WE TOUCHED ON A FEW TIMES, AND YOU CAN SEE OUR REVENUE SOURCES, FRANCHISE FEES ON TOP OF THE $15.1 MILLION EARLIER THAT REPRESENTS ROUGHLY 80% OF OUR FRANCHISE FEES THAT WOULD GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND, EXCLUDING, OF COURSE, FRANCHISE FEES. OUR BOND SALE REVENUES ARE ANOTHER PIECE THAT WE HAVE DEDICATED TOWARD THE STREET IMPROVEMENT FUND, IF YOU RECALL THAT WE ISSUE COSTS FOR OUR UTILITIES.

SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE CALCULATE THE SAVINGS THAT WE GET FOR ISSUING CODES FOR UTILITY AND INSTEAD OF UTILITY BONDS AND WE TRANSFER THAT OVER TO STREET.

SO THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE, THE REVENUE SOURCE.

AND THEN ON OUR STREET SIDE AND THIS IS THE CONVERSATION WE HAD LAST YEAR, YOU CAN SEE IT REFLECTED HERE.

OF THAT 17 OF THE 16.4 MILLION TOTAL, 17 TOTAL RESOURCES.

5.4 OF THAT IS GOING STRAIGHT OUT TO CAPITAL PROJECTS.

CAPITAL STREET PROJECTS.

REHABILITATION IS HELPING OUT WITH OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM AND THE REMAINDER STAYING WITH MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, JUST REGULAR, REGULAR MAINTENANCE ON OUR STREETS.

BIG CONVERSATION WE HAD LAST YEAR THAT SPLIT THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GO FOR LIKE 60, 70, 30, 64.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CHARGE. SO IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THESE SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS THAT ARE CERTAINLY IN YOUR BUDGET, AND WE CAN SPEAK TO ANY OF THEM NOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

BUT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE MCKENNA TRUST EARLIER.

IT WAS MENTIONED KIND OF LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT, WHICH IS A GREAT SUGGESTION TO GET THE PARTS GAS.

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FIVE, SIX, FIVE, SEVEN, FIVE, 15, FIVE, 16 FUNDS OBVIOUSLY HAD THE CONVERSATION THIS YEAR AND WE INCREASED THOSE THESE AUGMENTATION FUNDS THROUGH MITIGATION OR ROADWAY IMPACT FUNDS.

THOSE ARE DOING A BETTER JOB OF ACTUALLY ANTICIPATING AND BUDGETING THOSE AND IDENTIFYING THE PROJECTS THOSE ARE GOING TO GO TO IN THE APPROPRIATE ZONES AND IN OUR POLICE COMPENSATION FUND. SO DO YOU KNOW MUCH ON THAT? JUST A QUICK SNAPSHOT FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT GET ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE MATERIALS ON A MCKINNEY TRUST MCKENNA TRUST FUND WHEN IT STARTED.

AND KIND OF CAN YOU JUST GIVE THE STRUCTURE OF IT SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT I'M REFERRING TO? AND SO IF NOT SIMPLY SET THE FAMILY SET ASIDE, I GUESS THE LAND OR MAYBE JUST A FUNDING FOR THE PARK, AND THEN IT HAS A TRUST THAT THEN THAT'S THE 5000 EACH YEAR FOR MAINTENANCE.

BUT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT JUST THAT'S PROBABLY RIGHT.

I THINK WE HAVE A DETAIL IN ESTABLISHED.

YES. 1958.

1958. OKAY.

YEAH. SO THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.

AND MAYBE WE COULD MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING I'LL GET WITH THE SOCIAL MEDIA TEAM OR SOMETHING.

BUT I THINK THAT IS PRETTY NEAT BECAUSE I MEAN, AND EVEN BEYOND THAT, THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER FAMILIES THAT COULD JUST WE COULD THEN TELL THAT STORY AS WELL, RAISE THEIR FAMILY AND ALL THEIR DONATIONS.

AND SO JUST KIND OF SHARING THESE FAMILIES THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO HELP OUR LITTLE COMMUNITY.

BUT THAT THAT IS THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO KIND OF TRUST FUND AND THEY ESTABLISH THAT AND AND TREMENDOUS PART SO REALLY GREAT LEGACY BUT I REALLY I LIKE THE IDEA THE CULTURAL IMPACTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I WANT TO BE MINDFUL.

I DON'T KNOW HOW I'D WANT TO TAKE THIS BACK TO THE COMMUNITY IF WE WANTED TO AT&T CENTER KIND OF THING.

I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE WRONG WAY TO GO, BUT THE CULTURAL WAY TO GO, IT SOUNDS SUPERB, BUT I JUST I THINK THERE'S SOME SOME CAUTION IN IN THAT APPROACH THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE BE MINDFUL OF.

ANY QUESTIONS ON NEEDING OTHER SMALLER SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS? WE WILL KEEP GOING.

I THINK WE'LL START GOING PRETTY QUICKLY HERE.

INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS, WE TOUCH ON THIS NATURALLY THROUGH THE CONVERSATION A LOT ABOUT WHAT SERVICE FUNDS ARE, THE BENEFIT THEY PROVIDE TO EACH OF OUR OPERATING DEPARTMENTS AND HOW THEY'RE FUNDED.

WELL, WE'VE ALSO ALREADY TOUCHED ON THE SUPPLEMENTALS, SO WE'LL SEE THE IMPACT OF THE SUPPLEMENTALS WITHIN EACH OF THE FUNDS EVER SINCE WE PERFORMED.

SO HERE'S JUST A HIGH LEVEL PICTURE OF THOSE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS FROM FACILITIES, FLEET MATERIALS MANAGEMENT, PURCHASING, DEPARTMENT, ENGINEERING, CUSTOMER SERVICE, TECH SERVICES.

AND SO THOSE ARE SOMEWHAT SEPARATE FROM RISK.

AND ALSO ON EACH OF THOSE, YOU ALSO HAVE NEEDED EFFORT TO WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO CARRY A LARGE FUND OUT AN INTERNAL SERVICE FUND.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE.

SO OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, YOU'VE SEEN US DRAW DOWN THOSE FUND BALANCES THAT IT BUILT UP.

YOU REALLY DON'T NEED A FUND OUT THE INTERNAL SERVICE LINE THAT SHOULD BE RELATIVELY LOW AND HOW THOSE TRANSFERS BE TRUE COST EACH YEAR FOR EDUCATION PURPOSES. SO THAT'S NOT $435,000 WORTH OF BOARD GAMES RISK, RIGHT? THAT'S. SO COULD YOU GIVE THOSE TRACKING ALONG WHAT THE WHAT ALL GOES INTO RISK BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE IT GOES IT'S LEGAL IT'S A LITTLE BIT EVERYTHING.

SO COULD YOU GIVE A SNAPSHOT OR FOLLOW UP WITH A SNAPSHOT OF EVERYTHING THAT KIND OF GOES INTO THAT? SO FOR THOSE THAT ARE GOING TO GIVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE BUDGET.

IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE THAT SOMEONE WOULD REACT TO, I WANT THEM TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT CATEGORY IS, CERTAINLY.

AND WE FOLLOW UP WITH MORE DETAIL.

BUT YEAH, IT'S ANYTHING OUR PROPERTY OR INSURANCE CLAIMS THAT COME AGAINST THE CITY, PROTECTING THE CITY ACROSS THE BOARD, ALL OF OUR UTILITIES.

SO A WIDE NET OF JUST PROTECTING THE CITY AND IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.

THANK YOU. AND WE PAY A LOT OF OUR INSURANCE CLAIMS ON IT, INSURANCE PRINCIPAL ON INSURANCE POLICIES OUT OF THAT FUND AND DISTRIBUTED OUT TODAY.

JOE, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO GO ON RECORD TO SAY ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT INSURANCE COMPANIES? OKAY, GO AHEAD. THIS ARE MAKES IT SO YOU TONY, I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS VERY QUICKLY, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD WE'VE TALKED ABOUT UTILITIES MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE PAST MONTH OR TWO.

GOT PLENTY OF STAFF IF ANY OF THESE RAISE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON TO DISCUSS THEM AIRPORT BEING ONE THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED AS MUCH.

[03:35:06]

WE'LL CONTINUE THAT FOR A FEW MORE YEARS.

BUT MOST LIKELY, UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGES, THAT WILL GO BACK TO THE GENERAL DEBT SERVICE SIDE BECAUSE THE AIRPORT FUND IS WON'T BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THE DEBT SERVICE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WHAT YOU SEE THERE.

BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE DOING A LOT OF REALLY GOOD THINGS OUT AT THE AIRPORT WITH THE FEDERAL GRANTS THAT WE'VE GOT AND THAT WE'VE TALKED TO YOU ALL ABOUT.

AND SO WE HOPE TO SEE A LOT, A LOT COME FROM THAT AND CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON THAT.

BUT THAT'S I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST PIECE TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE FUND ITSELF, IS THAT IT WON'T BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN THAT DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT IN FY 2526, THAT TIMEFRAME.

BUT. HELP ME UNDERSTAND KIND OF THAT TIMING AND WHY IT'S NOT SUSTAINING.

WE CAN'T SUSTAIN THAT SERVICE NOW, WHY IT'S NOT ROLLED OVER IN THE GENERAL FUND.

IF THAT'S AN OPTION OF A GENERAL FUND AND NOT AN AIRPORT FUND YET, ARE WE DRAWING DOWN A RESERVE? WHAT ARE WE WHAT ARE WE DOING THERE? YEAH, BASICALLY.

I MEAN, IT HAS WE HAVE A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS IN RESERVE JUST ESSENTIALLY THAT WHY YOU DON'T DESERVE.

MEAN IT'S A POLICY DECISION.

IF WE DECIDE WE WANT TO USE THOSE RESOURCES IN ANOTHER WAY WITH WITHIN THE AIRPORT, WE CAN CERTAINLY SHIFT IT BACK OVER.

BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE FOR THAT REASON JUST NOT DRAWN TO THE GROUP.

THAT'S A COMPOSITE ON THE TAX RATE.

RIGHT. TELL ME IF I'M OVERTHINKING IT.

BUT SOME OF THESE GRANTS THERE'S MATCHING.

AND WE JUST WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD LOTS OF TIMES BEFORE WITH THE AIRPORT.

BUT SOME OF THESE GRANTS THAT ARE MATCHING FUNDS AND WE LET'S SAY ANOTHER GRANT OPPORTUNITY CAME ALONG THAT NEEDED A MATCH.

DO WE NEED TO BE HOLDING A RESERVE THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR MATCHING FOR BIG FEDERAL GRANTS? OR IS THAT $1,000,000 THAT NEEDS $1,000,000 MATCH? GRANT COMES THROUGH THE DOOR.

WE'D FIND THE MILLION SOMEWHERE ELSE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT WAS IN THE AIRPORT FUND OR SOME OTHER RESERVE.

YEAH, I MEAN, I MAY BE ABLE TO TALK TO THAT.

IT'S A GOOD THAT'S A GOOD A GOOD DISCUSSION TO HAVE.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS. I'M ASKING.

I'M ASKING. WELL, IT IS.

IT IS IN THE SENSE THAT THAT COULD BE A PRIORITY.

IT'S JUST WITH EVERYTHING.

I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE ANYTHING ABOUT THE AIRPORTS, A GOOD DISCUSSION AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

I THINK YOUR QUESTION WAS, IS WHERE'S THE MATCH GOING TO COME FROM OR IF WE NEEDED TO OR DOING OURSELVES ANY DISSERVICE BY DRAWING DOWN A RESERVE? IF OR NOT, IT MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD TO DRAW DOWN THE RESERVE.

IT DOESN'T PARTICULARLY MATTER WHERE THE MONEY SITS, IF IT'S RESERVED MONEY, BUT ARE WE PUTTING OURSELVES IN ANY KIND OF DISADVANTAGE BY DRAWING DOWN THE DESERT RESERVE OUT OF THE AIRPORT FUND? MY UNDERSTANDING THE RESERVE IN THE WAY THE THE AIRPORT ENTERPRISE FUND WAS SET UP WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT TO SUPPORT THOSE GRANT MATCHES AS THEY COME. AND WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING A NUMBER OF GRANTS AND A VERY LARGE ONE COMING HERE VERY SOON THAT WAS IN THE CAPITAL PROGRAM.

BUT THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH REVENUE GENERATED TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT WITH WITH THE ADDITIONAL DEBT SERVICE THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKEN FROM THE ENTERPRISE FUND.

SO EVENTUALLY IT'S GOING TO DIMINISH THAT.

DOES THAT CREATE A SITUATION WHERE THE CITY WON'T BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO GET ADDITIONAL GRANT FUNDS? NO, IT WON'T.

IT'LL JUST MEAN WE'LL HAVE TO COME TO THE COUNCIL AND SAY WE NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR GRANTS, SUCH AND SUCH TO DO WHATEVER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS WE WOULD HAVE IN THE FUTURE.

BUT IT WOULDN'T PREVENT US FROM GETTING ANY FUTURE FUNDS.

THE MONEY IS ALL FUNGIBLE.

IT'S JUST AN ACCOUNTING EXERCISE AND I'M OVERCOMPLICATING IT.

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT IT.

WE'LL BE COMING FORWARD SHORTLY.

WE WE JUST FINISHED OUR OUR ASSESSMENT ON OUR FEES AND THOSE WILL BE INCREASED SLIGHTLY.

WE'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN FEE REVENUES COMING TO THE AIRPORT.

BUT WE'RE ALSO SEEING A 30% INCREASE IN TRAFFIC AND 30% INCREASE IN FUEL NOT OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED, BUT WE JUST MET WITH ONE OF OUR BOSS THAT'S GOING TO BE SELLING TO THE NUMBER ONE FBO IN THE COUNTRY HERE SHORTLY, WHICH MEANS THEY HAVE A CLIENT BASE THAT WILL BE LOOKING TO COME HERE VERSUS MAYBE SOME OTHER FACILITIES.

SO THAT COULD HELP US WITH SOME REVENUE FLOW.

THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE WE'VE TALKED TO THE FAA ABOUT IN ADDITION TO THAT LARGE PROJECT, WAS DOING A MASTER PLAN NOW RATHER THAN LATER.

IT'S IT'S GIVE OR TAKE ON THE TEN YEAR COST, WHICH IS GENERALLY WHEN YOU WOULD DO A NEW ONE.

BUT WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES WITHIN THE METROPLEX AND WHERE PEOPLE NEED TO BE AND PUT THEIR AIRPLANES.

WE HAVE SOME DEVELOPER LAND ON THE WEST SIDE.

HOPEFULLY THE FREEWAY COMES SOONER THAN LATER.

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OKAY. YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE? SO WATERFRONT.

WE'VE DISCUSSED THE WATERFRONT.

NO RATE CHANGES.

NO RATE CHANGES THIS YEAR ON THE WATERFRONT.

AND WE'LL GET ABOUT REALLY NO RATE CHANGES OVER THE HORIZON FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

SO THE WATERFRONT IS DEFINITELY IN A VERY STRONG POSITION.

YES, IT JUST DIDN'T NECESSARILY TOWARDS THIS.

BUT COULD YOU HAVE SOMEBODY JUST GIVE US AN INFORMAL OR SOMETHING ON OUR WATER RESOURCES FOR THE FUTURE? BECAUSE, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME SOME SOME RIGHTS WITH WITH ROBERTS AND ALL THAT.

BUT I MEAN, WE'RE GROWING THE WHOLE AREA IS GROWING.

EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR ABOUT THE WEST COAST AND THEY'RE EXPERIENCING WATER SCARCITY HERE IN TEXAS.

SO JUST SOMETHING TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S OUR FUTURE WATER WATER PLAN.

WE JUST HAD A ONE ON ONE WITH OUR WATER SERVICES DIRECTOR, STEPHEN GAY, AND THAT WAS A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION.

AND I ASK HIM TO PLEASE COME BACK AND HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL ABOUT THE STATUS OF OUR WATER IN THIS AREA, A REGIONAL APPROACH, HOW WE'RE WORKING WITH OTHER CITIES AROUND THE AREA WHICH HE'S DOING.

WE MET WITH SANGER TO LOOK AT POSSIBLY A JOINT WATER FACILITY.

SO HE'LL BE COMING BACK.

STEPHEN, ARE YOU HERE? VERY.

IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL BE SEEING IN THE NEAR FUTURE IS A ONE WATER MASTER PLAN.

AND WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING WITH REGARDS TO A WATER SUPPLY PLAN.

WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE THE WATER MASTER PLAN.

WE'LL LOOK AT A RECLAIM WATER MASTER PLAN, HOW WE CAN LEVERAGE THAT RESOURCE.

SO WE'RE BRINGING THAT PROJECT FORWARD NOW.

WE'RE TAKING THAT WHOLE HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THOSE RESOURCES.

THANKS. WASTE BEYOND WASTEWATER.

AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION IN DETAIL.

NO RATE INCREASES NEEDED THIS YEAR GIVEN WHERE OUR FUND BALANCE IS WITH SOME SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS COMING UP, OUR DEBT SERVICE INCREASING, WE ARE GOING TO NEXT YEAR, WE WILL HAVE WE ARE FORECASTING THOSE RATE INCREASES FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

SO WE'RE SHOWING THAT 3% RATE INCREASE COMING FORWARD.

SO WE'LL BREAK OUR STREAK OF NO RATE INCREASES FOR SIX OR SEVEN YEARS, BUT JUST NEEDED WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE COMING ON BOARD WITH WASTEWATER ELECTRIC SIMILAR TO WASTEWATER, WE ARE PROJECTING THAT RATE INCREASES IN NEXT YEAR.

I THINK AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ELECTRIC NUMEROUS TIMES, A LOT OF UNKNOWN VARIABLES RIGHT NOW FROM COST TO SCIENTIFIC TO A NUMBER, A NUMBER OUT THERE. SO WE WANT TO GET THROUGH THIS YEAR.

IT'S VERY LIKELY TO COME AND HAVE A BUDGET UPDATE IN JANUARY OR SO.

JUST TO GIVE GIVE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THE FUND LOOKS LIKE.

SO IT'S ALWAYS INTERESTING WITH ELECTRIC FUN, THIS IS ABOUT THE WORST TIME OF YEAR.

YOU CAN HAVE AN ELECTRIC BUDGET DISCUSSION.

THE FISCAL YEAR DOESN'T LINE UP WELL WITH ELECTRIC.

SO I ANTICIPATE WE'LL BE BACK IN JANUARY TO GIVE AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE IN ELECTRIC, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CANCELING THE DEBT SERVICE THAT WE HAD TO ISSUE FOR THE STORM.

IS THAT CONTAINED IN THE NON DEBT SERVICE EXPENDITURES? IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? IT IS, YES, IT IS.

BUT HOW MUCH WAS THAT? 7 MILLION A YEAR. IT'S NOT HARD AT THIS POINT. AND THEN FINALLY, OUR SOLID WASTE FUND OBVIOUSLY FUNDED IN GOOD SHAPE.

AND JUST DO I OBVIOUSLY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE WHOLE SET OF AGREEMENTS AROUND THAT WAS THE POLICY THAT WE HAD THAT EXECUTIVE COUNCIL AS A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE BUDGET.

THAT'S REALLY THE BIGGEST VARIABLE HERE ON THE FUND AS WE LOOK OUT IN THE YEARS.

ALL RIGHT. THEN THERE JUST OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO SHOW THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE UTILITIES TO REALLY GET EFFICIENT AND DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY.

BUT EVEN AS WE'RE ADDING POSITIONS TO THIS POINT AND GETTING READY FOR SOME BIG PROJECTS TO COME, STILL NOT HAVING RATE INCREASES SINCE FY 17 IS A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT.

THAT REALLY IS A CREDIT TO ALL THE DIRECTORS AND EVERYONE LOOKING OUT AT THE UTILITIES FOR FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT, WORKING, WORKING WELL TOGETHER.

SO REALLY PROUD OF EVERYONE AT THE UTILITIES.

SO UNDER THE CAPITAL BUDGET, WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS NUMEROUS TIMES, CONTINUE TO HIGHLIGHT JUST THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WENT INTO OUR CIP THIS YEAR AND OUT OF EVERYONE,

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YOU SAW THIS LAST TIME. THIS IS JUST YOU HAD THAT BOOK, THE WHOLE SEPARATE BOOK NOW AND THE PAGES THAT GO THROUGH ALL THAT.

SO HERE'S OUR TOTAL OUR TOTAL BUDGET FOR FY 23 CAPITAL, 86 MILLION IN NEW PROJECTS COMBINED WITH OUR 214 MILLION EXISTING PROJECT.

SO YOU'LL SEE THE TOTAL IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT IS $300 MILLION FOR OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM.

ELECTRIC OR IN OUR UTILITIES.

YOU CAN SEE EACH OF THE NEW PROJECTS THERE.

WE OBVIOUSLY WENT THROUGH THOSE IN DETAIL WITH YOU.

IN TOTAL, WE'RE LOOKING AT 229 MILLION IN NEW FUNDING, PLUS OUR CURRENT APPROPRIATIONS OF 208 MILLION.

ALL RIGHT, BUDGET SUMMARY.

THIS IS THE PIE CHART FOR ME.

SO HERE'S OUR TOTAL BUDGETS, UP TO $1.8 BILLION.

YOU CAN SEE THAT REALLY THAT SIP PROGRAM IS THE MAJORITY OF MAJORITY OF OUR BUDGET AND THE UTILITIES DID IN OUR LARGER OPERATING BUDGET.

AND IN GENERAL, IF I'M FALLING BEHIND, REALLY MAKES UP MAKES UP THAT LARGE NUMBER OF THE BUDGET.

LET'S GO. ONE QUICK OBSERVATION, BECAUSE I'M ON THE AIR WORKING TOGETHER IN A PROPOSED ANNUAL BUDGET PAGE 59, WHICH JUST LISTS A SUMMARY OF THE RESOURCES AND EXPENDITURES.

AND WE LOOK AT THIS BUDGET AND IT'S $1.8 BILLION.

BUT WHEN YOU GO BACK LIKE ESPECIALLY BACK IN 20 2021, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN LIKE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM TO 738 MILLION THIS YEAR.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE PROBABLY SPENDING OR ALLOCATING ALL OF THAT.

SO SOMETIMES IT'S THE BUDGET, BUT A LOT OF IT'S THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, LIKE YOU SAID.

BUT YET, LIKE IN 2021, YOU HAD 159.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET DID THAT YEAR, BUT WE DON'T SPEND ALL THAT LIKE SOME OF THE ACCOUNTING RULES THAT YOU HAVE.

YOU HAVE TO REALLOCATE THE FUNDS EVERY YEAR.

SO EVEN AS AN EXISTING PROJECT, WE REALLOCATE.

I CAN GIVE YOU. I CAN TALK TO YOU.

ASK ME IF YOU WANT TO KNOW.

WELL, IT'S FUNNY. I MEAN, WHEN YOU READ THIS 28% MORE THAN THE LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.

THAT'S A THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER.

I MEAN, THAT'S CLOSE TO 30%, WHICH I THINK AS PEOPLE LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT THAT CONSISTS OF.

IT GETS A LITTLE EASIER. BUT THAT 30%, 30%, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT CAPITAL PRIORITIES, THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, ON THE GOVERNMENT SIDE, THE BIGGEST BOND PROGRAM IN HISTORY. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE REALLY AT THE END OF ISSUING ALMOST AT THE END OF THIS YEAR AND ON THE DEBT FOR THAT.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU REALLY SEE.

SEE 60. AND IT'S JUST WE SHOWED THIS EARLIER, JUST SHOW THAT, AGAIN, ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES, OBVIOUSLY, THIS KIND OF KICKS OFF THE FORMAL BUDGET TIMELINE.

WE'VE GOT THE COUNCIL MEETINGS THROUGHOUT AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING DISCUSSIONS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CITY OF DENTON ON A WEB PAGE.

WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR IDEAS AND FEEDBACK, FOR COMMENTS THAT WHENEVER WE GET, WE ALWAYS SHARE WITH COUNCIL AS WE HAVE AS WE GIVE OUR BUDGET UPDATES.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE OUR WHAT WE STARTED LAST YEAR WITH OUR ABOUT THE BALANCING ACT, THE BUDGET SIMULATION TOOL.

WE ACTUALLY USE THIS FOR THE BUDGET LAST YEAR AND FOR THE ARROW FUNDS.

AGAIN, YOU KIND OF GIVE, IF YOU RECALL FROM LAST YEAR, YOU GIVE RESIDENTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MOVE THINGS AROUND AND DECIDE MAKE TRADEOFFS ON BUDGET. SO WE'LL BE REPORTING BACK TO YOU ALL ON WHAT THE FEEDBACK FROM THAT IS.

AND THEN WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 20TH.

SO NEXT STEPS I WANT TO POINT OUT AUGUST 16, THIS IS ALWAYS SOMEWHAT CONFUSING.

SO ON THE 16TH, WE HAVE TO DECIDE ON WHAT WE INTERNALLY INFORMALLY CALL THE NEXT TAX RATE.

SO YOU HAVE TO PUBLISH A TAX RATE, BUT ONCE YOU PUBLISH THAT, YOU CAN'T GO OVER IT.

SO WE TYPICALLY GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM FOR COUNCIL'S DISCRETION.

IF YOU ALL GIVE US FEEDBACK THAT YOU DON'T WANT, THAT WE CERTAINLY WON'T.

SO WE'RE PROBABLY BRINGING ON THE 16TH A BUDGET THAT'S A COUPLE OF CENTS OVER THE PROPOSED RATE THAT WILL PUBLISH.

THAT DOES CONFUSE CONFUSE THE PUBLIC.

I THINK WE'VE SEEN THAT IN THE PAST BECAUSE WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT, BUT WE JUST DON'T WANT TO CONSTRAIN COUNCIL'S DECISION MAKING.

SO OUR PLAN WOULD BE ON THE 16 TO SEE ONE A COUPLE OF CENTS OVER THE PROPOSED TAX RATE.

BUT IF WE GET DIRECTION TODAY, WE'LL CERTAINLY DO IT AT WHATEVER LEVEL YOU PREFER.

SO. QUESTION SO IF I, IF I WAS COUNTING CORRECTLY, I BELIEVE WE HAD A CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL WHO SUPPORTED AT LEAST A 4% COLA PLUS 2% MERIT.

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AND WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU A BUDGET WITH TIER FOUR IN THERE AND THEN SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON THE TAX RATE AT THAT TIME.

SO ARE YOU ALL COMFORTABLE WITH A COUPLE OF CENTS EXTRA JUST FOR SOME ROOM ON THE MAX TAX RATE? WHAT WOULD THAT BE? WELL, WE ARE CURRENTLY TO TAKE US UP TO 57%.

WELL, IN OVER OUR CURRENT RATE.

JUST AS A TAX RATE.

YEAH. BUT THAT STILL WOULD ENCOMPASS IF WE WANTED TO DO TIER FIVE, WE'D STILL BE WITHIN THAT AND WE'LL MISS THAT THEREFORE TOO.

SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT AND COMPARE WHAT WHATEVER IF YOU WANT TO TWEAK OR WHATEVER.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD.

WE STILL GOT 3 HOURS AND A LOT OF.

I'LL ASK THIS.

WHAT'S THE TIMING ON THE GUN RANGE? THE INDOOR FACILITY.

AND THEN.

WHICH DOVETAILS INTO.

HAVE WE TASKED WAYNE WITH LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE? I UNDERSTAND THE ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

IT'S A DIFFICULT SPOT, BUT IT'S A REALLY KEY LOCATION.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT. I THINK AS FAR AS I THINK, CHIEF, YOU SPEAK TO THE TIME, BUT.

YES, SIR. SO, TOM, I MEAN, AND THEN THAT'LL HELP ME UNDERSTAND TIME.

WE THEY GET THAT PROPERTY ON THE MARKET.

THE TIMING TO COMPLETE THE NEW FIRING RANGE ON VINTAGE.

YES. RIGHT NOW, IT'S PROBABLY 2 TO 3 MONTHS OUT BEFORE WE SEE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF TWEAKS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN ALONG WITH THE SUBSTATION, GET THOSE TWO FACILITIES TO SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION, CERTAINLY BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

ONCE THAT HAPPENS, THEN WE CAN START TAKING A LOOK AT THAT OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY.

WORKING WITH MICHAEL AND HIS TEAM ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE, THERE'LL BE A SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP.

THAT'S ALL THAT'LL BE REQUIRED.

RIGHT. OKAY.

OKAY. GOT IT.

AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD WAS, IF POSSIBLE, ON THAT CITIZEN FEEDBACK, IS IT AT ALL POSSIBLE TO THE STREETS CONVERSATION? IT'S HUGE, RIGHT? BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU SPEND A DIME, IT'S NOT ON THE STREETS.

THEN PEOPLE ARE LIKE, HEY, FIX THE STREETS, RIGHT? AND SO I THINK IF THERE'S A WAY TO HAVE A OPTION TO SAY, WELL, YOU MAX OUT AT THIS, WHATEVER, 15 STREETS, TEN PARKS, I MEAN, IS THERE A WAY TO KIND OF GET THAT FEEDBACK? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE SIMULATION IS IF YOU HAVE UNLIMITED MONEY, YOU DO EVERYTHING RIGHT.

SO IF YOU HAD UNLIMITED CAPACITY TO DO PROJECTS, YOU'D FIX ALL THE STREETS AT ONCE.

THAT'S NOT A REAL THING, RIGHT? SO TO CAP, THAT'S THE WAY I THINK WE GET CITIZEN INPUT.

INPUT ON WHAT'S THEIR PRIORITY IS TO SAY YOU ONLY GET ONE PARK TO FIX THREE OR WHATEVER, TEN PROJECTS AND HERE'S THE PROJECT TYPES YOU HAVE TO PICK FROM.

NOW FILL IN. IF THERE'S 1009 OF THEM TO BE STREETS, I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE A PARK AND NOTHING ELSE.

RIGHT. SO THEN THAT TELLS ME IF 80% OF THE PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATED FOCUSED ON THAT SPLIT, THEN I CAN SAY, OKAY, THAT'S GOOD.

READ ON KIND OF WHAT TYPE PROJECTS ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO THOSE THAT WOULD BE PROVIDING FEEDBACK.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE INTENT OF THE BALANCING ACT PROGRAM IS TO HAVE YEAH, YOU HAVE A CAP ON THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE YOU HAVE.

I THINK THERE'S OPTIONS. BUT YEAH, I, YOU CONTRIBUTED WHAT WERE YOUR PRIORITIES? AND WE TRY TO GET AS MUCH BACKGROUND TO THAT SO THEY CAN MAKE AS EDUCATED DECISIONS WITHOUT GETTING TOO IN THE WEEDS BECAUSE NO ONE'S GOING TO WANT TO READ EVERYTHING.

BUT YEAH, SURE, THAT'S EXACTLY THE BUT IT HAS LIKE THAT LIMIT.

SO THE DOLLAR BECOMES THAT LIMIT VERSUS THE PROJECT.

SO IT'S LIKE YOU ONLY HAVE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS.

HOW DO YOU ALLOCATE THOSE, I GUESS, FOLLOW UP QUESTION, MAYBE A RELATED QUESTION.

DOES THAT TOOL DISTINGUISH BETWEEN LIKE BOND REVENUE VERSUS OTHER TYPES OF REVENUE OR BOND BOND FUNDING VERSUS REVENUE? I THINK I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST OPERATING, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CAN LOOK AT.

IF I GET A LITTLE BIT, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU A REAL LONG TIME, PLEASE, NO NEED FOR IT.

BUT I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE CONFUSION THAT THAT COMES IN WHEN WHEN FOLKS ARE SAYING STOP DOING THAT AND FIX THE STREETS INSTEAD, IS THAT THAT THE ISSUE OF BOND FUNDING VERSUS REVENUE FUNDING? I THINK ANYONE ELSE QUESTIONS, SUMMARY THOUGHTS.

I JUST SAY THAT SORT OF THING.

THANK YOU. CASSIE'S NOT WELL TODAY, BUT CASSIE, NICK, DAVID, EVERYBODY IN THE CMO OFFICE BUT OUR DEPARTMENT HEAD DIRECTORS. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK GOING ON FOR THE LAST MONTHS, SEVERAL MONTHS TO PREPARE THIS AND TO REALLY LOOK AT WHAT WE HEARD FROM YOU

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IT'S JUST I'M JUST VERY PROUD TO WORK WITH SO MANY PROFESSIONALS WHO'VE DONE SUCH A GREAT JOB.

AND I THINK YOU CAN TELL THAT BY LOOKING AT HOW THIS IS STRUCTURED.

SO KUDOS TO ALL OF THOSE.

YEAH, AGREE. WELL, IT'S A HUGE, HUGE, HUGE.

SO ANYONE ELSE? I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER SAID IT REALLY WELL IN OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BUDGET, BUT WE'RE PRETTY SPOILED TO HAVE THE LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY AND CLARITY AND COMMUNICATION FROM OUR STAFF THAT WE HAVE.

IT IS A LIFT.

I'LL TELL YOU WHERE.

AND I JUST WANT TO CONCUR.

I THINK IF IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROCESS THAT WE DID LAST YEAR VERSUS THIS YEAR, WE'RE FINISHING.

WE DIDN'T DO THIS KIND OF MARATHON, BUT WE ARE WE ARE FINISHING SUBSTANTIALLY EARLY.

I THINK JUST THAT'S A TESTAMENT TO THE FACT THAT LOTS OF LINE ITEMS AND CLEAR RELATIONSHIPS WERE PROVIDED SO THAT WE COULD TARGET OUR QUESTIONS. AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO HELP US GET THERE.

AND I JUST WANT TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE COMMUNITY TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF EFFORT BEING MADE HERE TO BE AS FAIR AS WE CAN POSSIBLY BE ON ANY ISSUES.

WE HAVE A HUGE TEAM HERE THAT WANTS TO TAKE CARE OF THE CITY, WHICH I'M JUST IN AWE OF EVERYBODY THAT IS PUTTING IN ALL THE EFFORT AS FAR AS THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IS CONCERNED.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BE REMINDED AS A COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE GROWING.

WE HAVE TO BE PATIENT.

THINGS MOVE SLOWLY.

TURNOVER IS HIGH.

IT'S HARD TO GET GOOD EMPLOYEES THAT'S DEDICATED TO THE JOB.

SO I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW OUT THERE THAT WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE FOR NAUGHT.

IT'S TO HELP OUR CITY GROW IN A WAY THAT WE'RE ALL VERY PROUD OF IT.

WE ARE DEPENDENT ON OUR DISCOVERY TEAM TO LET THE WORLD KNOW HOW GREAT WE ARE.

AND THEN THEY'RE COMING HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB IN PUTTING A GOOD LIGHT ON US.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M THAT'S WHAT I JUST NEED FOR FOLKS TO KNOW AND BE PATIENT WITH THE PROCESS BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS A PROCESS AND IT TAKES TIME.

SO BUT I'M GLAD TO LIVE HERE AND I'M GLAD TO BE IN A POSITION THAT I CAN BE IN TO HELP GUIDE US ALONG THIS NEXT TASK.

I KNOW THAT WE ARE A CITY AT A CROSSROADS.

WE'RE NOT BABIES ANYMORE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE TEENAGERS THAT WE'RE GROWING UP AND WE'RE HAVING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING FROM AROUND THE WORLD.

I THINK THEY'RE COMING FROM AROUND THE WORLD.

YES. SO BUT YEAH, I'M JUST GOING TO STOP RIGHT THERE.

JUST GOOD TO BE HERE.

THANKS. THANKS, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. WHAT ELSE? AND THEN LASTLY, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, DAVID.

SO IS THIS THE FIRST YEAR THAT OUR SALES TAXES EXCEEDED OUR LAWN TAX? OR IS THAT BEEN THE CASE? YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

I THINK WE'LL SEE HOW IT SHAKES OUT AT THE END OF DAY.

IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY CLOSE HORSE RACE BETWEEN USUALLY IF THEY HADN'T BEEN.

THAT'S GREG BARNES.

BEEN THERE FOR A BIT. IF ANYONE KNOWS ME, THAT'S MY CITY AS FAR AS JUST KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THE BUSINESS.

THEY DO A GOOD JOB.

THEY HAVE A KIND OF A HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, THEY HAVE INNOVATION, TOURIST, ALL THOSE THINGS.

SO IT'S A IT'S AN INTERESTING CASE STUDY.

AND SO IT'S INTERESTING FOR US TO SEE THAT AND IT FOR IT TO BE A FIRST.

AGAIN, WE'LL SEE IF IT HOLDS.

BUT EVEN STILL, THAT'S JUST A CREDIT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE BEING INVITING, BEING WELCOMING UNIVERSITIES, ETC., ETC..

SO SORRY THE TIMES.

WELL, VERY GOOD. WE'LL AT 140, WE'LL CONCLUDE TODAY'S MEETING AND LET YOU ALL HAVE THE REST OF YOUR SANITY BACK.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.