Sep 13, 2022 City Council on 2022-09-13 2:00 PM (SPECIAL CALLED MEETING)

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GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

IT IS TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 13TH, WHO HAVE A QUORUM.

SO I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

WE JUST HAVE TWO THINGS ON OUR WORK SESSION TODAY.

SO I WILL CALL THE FIRST THING WHICH IS WORK SESSION REPORTS ID 221366 RECEIVE REPORT HOLD DISCUSSION GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE PRELIMINARY

[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the preliminary FY 2022-23 Proposed Budget, Tax Rate, Capital Improvement Program and Five-Year Financial Forecast. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 1 hour]]

CASSIE OGDEN, CFO.

I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE FY 23 BUDGET.

WE'LL GO THROUGH JUST SIMILAR TO PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS, THE GENERAL FUND ASSUMPTIONS.

THE ASSESSED VALUES DID COME IN.

SO I'LL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF THAT AND THEN GO THROUGH THE PROPOSED FEE AND RATE CHANGES.

SO HE MAY RECALL DURING OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP COUNCIL GAVE STAFF DIRECTION TO TO CHANGE THE FUNDING FROM TIERS ONE THROUGH THREE TO FUND TIER FOUR THAT INCLUDED THE 1% COLA FOR EMPLOYEES THAT CHANGE THE PROPOSED TAX RATE TO 56, A LITTLE OVER $0.56. AND WE DID RECEIVE OUR CERTIFIED VALUES YESTERDAY FROM THE CAD.

AND IF I COULD. I'M SORRY.

COLA STANDS FOR COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT.

PERFECT. THANK YOU. SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A REPEAT SLIDE, SAME GENERAL FUND ASSUMPTIONS.

I DID HAVE A SLIGHT TWEAK IN THE SALES TAX NUMBERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MOMENT.

BUT THE.

THE THE VALUES ARE INCREASING FROM PREVIOUS YEARS.

WE'RE KEEPING THE 99% COLLECTION RATE AND THEN THE ROI FOR ELECTRIC IS AT 6%.

YOU'LL HAVE AN ACTION ITEM ON THE 27TH FOR THAT FOR THAT ORDNANCE.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, THE TRANSFER TO TA STS HAS INCREASED ABOUT 600,000.

SO AN UPDATE ON THE ASSESSED VALUES WE DID.

LIKE I SAID, WE DID RECEIVE THOSE YESTERDAY.

THE BACKUP ORIGINALLY INCLUDED THE NUMBERS FROM SEPTEMBER 2ND.

SO I ROSA DID UPDATE YOUR BACKUP ALREADY, SO YOU SHOULD HAVE THE REVISED SLIDES.

BUT YOU CAN SEE WE'VE HAD SOME CHANGES EVEN SINCE SEPTEMBER 2ND.

SO THE DIFFERENCE WAS ABOUT $153 MILLION DECREASE IN THE TOTAL ASSESSED VALUE.

SO AS OF THE SECOND, WE HAD 82% OF THE VALUE COMING BACK TO THE CERTIFIED ROLL.

AND THEN AS OF YESTERDAY, IT CHANGED TO 75% VALUE RETURNED BACK TO THE CERTIFIED ROLL.

SO UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT THIS MEANS IS WE'RE NOT ABLE TO FUND THAT TIER FIVE THAT WE DISCUSSED AND IT ACTUALLY CAUSED CAUSE SOME CHANGES TO THE GENERAL FUND FORECASTS.

BUT WE'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO FUND TIERS ONE THROUGH FOUR.

SO AGAIN, JUST A REPEAT OF PROPOSED TAX RATE.

YOU CAN SEE THE SPLIT BETWEEN MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS AND THEN THE DEBT SERVICE TAX RATES.

AND THEN THAT THAT BASELINE REQUIREMENT FOR ALL OF THE MIDYEAR AMENDMENTS THAT WERE MADE THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR AND THEN THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS $0.51 VOTER APPROVAL RATE, $0.60.

SO WE'RE WITHIN THOSE THOSE TWO RATES.

SO AGAIN, JUST TO REPEAT, THIS IS BASED ON AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE.

OUR AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE DID INCREASE TO 307000 TO 83 THIS YEAR.

SO WITH OUR PROPOSED TAX RATE OF $0.56, THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WILL SEE ABOUT 1375 A MONTH INCREASE.

SO AS I MENTIONED, THE GENERAL FUND FORECAST CHANGED SLIGHTLY BASED ON THE CERTIFIED TOTALS THAT WERE RECEIVED.

SO 182.8 MILLION OF REVENUE, A 182.8 AND EXPENSES, LEAVING US A NET INCOME OF 6000 538,000.

I DID MAKE A SLIGHT ADJUSTMENT ON THE SALES TAX ESTIMATES BASED ON THE PREVIOUS TWO YEARS OR EXCUSE ME, TWO MONTHS COMING IN SUBSTANTIALLY OVER WHAT WE BUDGETED.

I INCREASE THE SALES TAX PROJECTIONS TO 5.25% INSTEAD OF 5%.

AND THEN WE HAD BUILT IN SOME FUNDING FOR POLICE THE MEET AND CONFER NEGOTIATIONS WITH POLICE.

SO WE WE LANDED ON ABOUT $680,000 WORTH OF IMPACT TO THE GENERAL FUND FOR THOSE POLICE MEET AND CONFER NEGOTIATIONS.

SO WE DID INCREASE THAT TO 686.

PREVIOUSLY YOUR OTHER FORECAST SHOWED 600,000 PLUGGED IN FOUR FOR POLICE.

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SO AGAIN, I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS.

BUT JUST BRIEFLY, WE ARE ABLE TO FUND TIERS ONE THROUGH FOUR.

HOWEVER, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW WE'RE ABLE TO FUND TIER FIVE, UNFORTUNATELY.

SO AGAIN, I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME, BUT JUST THOSE TIER ONE COUNCIL INITIATIVES, POLICE AND H.R.

POSITIONS, AND YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE TIER TWO POSITION REQUESTS.

AND THEN TIER THREE PLANNING BUILDING INSPECTIONS, POLICE AND THEN PARKS.

AND TIER FOUR WAS THE ADDITIONAL COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT AND THEN THE SPONSORSHIP FUNDING.

TWO YEAR FIVE REMAINS UNFUNDED, THOSE 5.5 FTES.

SO FULL TIME EQUIVALENTS, POSITIONS WITHIN PARKS, LIBRARIES AND POLICE.

AND THEN I DID WANT TO POINT OUT WE HAD AN UPDATE TO THIS SLIDE.

PREVIOUSLY IT WAS 81 POSITIONS.

WE FOUND AN ERROR IN OUR CALCULATIONS, SO WE HAD TO FIELD SERVICE WORKER THREES AND PAKS COUNTED, DOUBLE COUNTED AND THEN A PLANNING POSITION THAT WAS DOUBLE COUNTED. SO THE TOTAL POSITION COUNT IS ACTUALLY 78 POSITIONS THAT WILL BE INCLUDING FUNDING FOR FY 23.

AGAIN, NO CHANGE TO THE TAX BILL IMPACT FROM WHAT YOU PREVIOUSLY SAW.

SO $165 ANNUAL INCREASE PROPOSED AT THE CURRENT PROPOSED TAX RATE OF $0.56.

AND SO MOVING INTO THE FEE AND RATE CHANGES, WE HAD SOME FEE AND RATE CHANGES IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT AREAS.

SO BUILDING SAFETY AND JUST IF YOU HAVE ANY OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS, THE DIRECTORS ARE HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

I'LL GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF ALL THE FEE CHANGES FROM THE CURRENT YEAR TO THE PROPOSED FOR FY 23.

SO ASSIGNED PERMIT FOR WINDOW DOOR.

THIS IS REALLY A REDUCTION IN THAT SPECIFIC FEE.

SO IT WAS $137, BUT THEY'RE CHANGING THE WAY THAT THEY PERMIT THOSE AND SO THEY'RE PROPOSING A $50 FEE AND THEN THE SIGN INSTALLED WITHOUT A PERMIT AND THE WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT FEES.

THAT'S REALLY JUST CHANGING THE FEE TO MATCH THE WORK THAT IS CURRENTLY PERFORMED.

THE TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION FENCE IS $100 AND THEN THE PERMITS ARE THE ALCOHOL PERMITS.

THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW.

SO THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY HAD VARIOUS DIFFERENT PERMITS THAT WERE OUTLINED.

HOWEVER, IT CHANGED TO 50% OF THE TEXAS ALCOHOL BEVERAGE COMMISSION FEE.

SO JUST IN ALIGNMENT WITH STATE LAW.

THE PLAN REVIEW OF BUILDING PERMITS.

SO THIS IS FOR ENGINEERING REVIEW OF IF IT'S REQUIRED FOR BUILDING PERMITS, BUT IT'S THE SAME FEE THAT WE CHARGE FOR OTHER ENGINEERING REVIEWS.

SO JUST BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER FEES THAT ARE CHARGED AND THEN TRAFFIC SAFETY APPEALS, THIS IS FOR IF AN APPLICANT WANTS TO FILE AN APPEAL FOR A DECISION OF THE TRAFFIC SAFETY.

AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ONE EXCUSE ME SINCE 2019, BUT THIS IS THE FEE THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD PAY.

AND THEN THE FARMER'S MARKET OR COMMUNITY MARKET FEE, THE STATE CHANGED THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE FEE.

SO THIS IS FOR AN ANNUAL LICENSE FEE OR A ONE TIME PERMIT IS THE MAX OF $100.

AND THEN WE'RE REMOVING TWO FEES FROM THE FEE SCHEDULE FOR BUILDING SAFETY.

SO THE TEMPORARY UTILITIES FEE, THIS WAS CONSOLIDATED INTO ONE FEE.

AND SO WE'RE REMOVING THE TEMPORARY UTILITIES FEE AND THEN THE FARMERS AND COMMUNITY MARKET, THE ONE THAT I REFERENCED EARLIER, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY $81 FOR THE PER MONTH FEE AND THAT'S GOING TO JUST A ONE TIME $100 FEE.

AND SCOTT'S HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON BUILDING SAFETY.

AND THEN THE PLANNING FEE CHANGES.

A LOT OF THESE ARE REALLY JUST TO FORMALIZE IN OUR FEE SCHEDULE WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY CHARGING.

SO DRAINAGE, THIS DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT IS REALLY A DRAINAGE ENGINEERING REVIEW.

SO I TOLD YOU EARLIER THAT THE ENGINEERING FEE OF $300, YOU CAN SEE THAT AGAIN IN THIS.

ANYTHING THAT'S ENGINEERING REVIEW IS ABOUT $300 PER HOUR BECAUSE THAT'S OUR COST.

THE MUD FEES, THIS WAS ADOPTED AS PART OF THE INTERIM MUD POLICY IN 2019.

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SO THIS HAS BEEN THE PRACTICE.

IT WAS ADOPTED AS PART OF THAT POLICY, BUT FORMALIZING IT IN THE FEE SCHEDULE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE SPECIAL SIGN DISTRICT.

THIS IS A A NEW FEE FOR IF.

IF THEY'RE REQUESTING A SIGN THAT'S FOR A SPECIAL SIGNED DISTRICT.

SO ORIGINALLY THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY THE FEE FOR A BRAND NEW SIGN, WHICH IS ABOUT 6000.

SO IF IT'S SO, IT'S A REDUCED COST.

AMENDING SCOTT, SELLING FILING FEES.

THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE ARE.

WE CURRENTLY PAY DENTON COUNTY TO FILE THOSE PLATS.

SO THIS IS JUST A REIMBURSEMENT FOR WHAT WE'RE PAYING.

IT'S AGAIN, FORMALIZING IN THE FEE SCHEDULE.

IT'S $50.25 PER SHEET.

SO DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF SHEETS THAT THE APPLICANT WILL PAY, THE ACTUAL COST.

AND THEN THE LAST FOUR FEES ARE REALLY FORMALIZING JUST IN THE CURRENT FEE SCHEDULE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE FEE DIDN'T ACTUALLY CHANGE, BUT IT WAS PART OF THE 22 2002 DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SO JUST FORMALIZING THOSE IN OUR FEE AND OUR CURRENT FEE SCHEDULE.

AND THEN REMOVING THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING COMPLIANCE.

THEY'VE NEVER ACTUALLY ISSUED ONE OF THESE.

SO WE'RE REMOVING THIS FEE FROM THE FEE SCHEDULE.

I MAY OR I'M GOING TO TAKE A PAUSE AND SEE IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUILDING AND PLANNING FEE CHANGES.

KATHRYN, WHAT'S. SORRY.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN WE WERE SUPPOSED TO ASK QUESTIONS.

SO I'M GOING BACK TO THE BUDGET COACH PRESENTATION.

SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE GOING TO GET THROUGH ALL THIS AND THEN ASK IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO YOUR.

THAT ONE. THAT SLIDE THERE.

HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW ON SEPTEMBER AND THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU GUYS, THIS IS ABOUT THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

SO IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS CORRECTLY, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ON SEPTEMBER THE SECOND, WE GOT A CERTIFIED VALUE OF.

WHAT, 16, FIVE, FIVE, FOUR? IS THAT. OR IS IT THE 17.

136. 17.

ONE THREE, 17 ONE THREE, SIX.

AND THEN ON THE 20, THE 12TH, WHICH THEY WERE SAYING 3% WERE OUTSTANDING AS OF THE SECOND.

YES. AND THEN ON THE 12TH, 1% DIFFERENT CHANGE.

1% DIFFERENCE.

YES. BUT THE ASSESSED VALUES WENT DOWN OVER 200, CLOSE TO $250.

IT LOOKED IS THAT RIGHT? IS MY MATH RIGHT ON THAT? YEAH. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. ABOUT $250 MILLION, WHICH THAT TRANSLATES INTO.

WHAT IS THAT TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY.

DIVIDE THAT BY 100. IS THAT TOO? IS THAT. I CAN'T DO THE MATH THAT QUICK, BUT IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

IT'S ENOUGH TO NOT FUND TO YOUR FIVE, WHICH PROBABLY ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE.

RIGHT. DID THEY GIVE ANY EXPLANATION OF HOW.

BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT 1%, UNLESS THEY WENT BACK RETROACTIVELY TO PRIOR CERTIFIED VALUES, THAT 1% WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE JUST ALMOST GONE FROM WHAT THEY ASSESSED IT FOR BEFORE PROTEST TO ALMOST NOTHING WHEN THE PROTEST IS COMPLETED.

DO WE HAVE ANY INDICATION OF HOW THAT NUMBER WAS DERIVED OR WHY IT'S THAT LARGE? UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY EXPLANATION.

I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THEM, BUT I HAVEN'T HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY ANSWERS YET.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND SO THEN BUT THE CURRENT CERTIFIED VALUE, THE 17 MILLION, I'M GOING TO SAY, OR 17 BILLION.

YES. SO THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE.

SO THAT'S STILL THE SAME TAX RATE AS WHAT YOU ALL HAVE PROPOSED ORIGINALLY, WHICH IS A 0.56 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YES. AND THEN THE NO NEW TAX RATE IS $0.51.

SO WE'RE ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF CENTS OVER WHICH THAT TRANSLATES TO WHAT? AND TAX REVENUE $0.01 IS ABOUT 1.4 MILLION.

SO ABOUT 6 MILLION, SIX, $7 MILLION.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY, THANKS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FEES OR.

I GUESS WE'LL JUST. SORRY ABOUT THAT, MAYOR.

NO, WE'LL JUST OPEN IT, RIGHT? I MEAN. SURE, SURE.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS, COUNCILMAN BURT.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE FEES AND THE WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT FEE.

I ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD THAT FEE TO BE A DISINCENTIVE FOR WORKING WITHOUT A PERMIT.

AND THAT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY HEAVY REDUCTION.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT FOR A SMALL PROJECT, BUT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO AND YOU SHOULD FOR SAFETY REASONS AND TO HAVE WORK THAT HAS TO BE INSPECTED.

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SO WHY THE REDUCTION IN THE FEE? AND ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE NOT PULLING PERMITS SPECIFICALLY FOR SMALL PROJECTS THAT MIGHT NOT BE SEEN FROM THE STREET? IF WE'RE NOT IF THERE'S NOT KIND OF A HAMMER THERE, IF THEY DON'T PULL A PERMIT.

GREAT. SCOTT MCDANIEL, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, TWO PIECES, OF COURSE.

THE FIRST PART IS, IS THAT OUR FEES ARE ARE REALLY BASED ON OUR COST OF SERVICE DELIVERY.

SO WHAT WE HAD IN THE FEE ORDINANCE WAS REALLY PUNITIVE IN NATURE.

SO IT WAS 250 THEN 500.

AND SO WE WERE TRULY BEING PUNITIVE IN NATURE.

THIS IS NOT DESIGNED AS PUNITIVE.

THIS IS OUR ACTUAL COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

SO IF SOMEONE DOESN'T PULL A PERMIT, WE GET A COMPLAINT OR WHETHER IT'S THROUGH CANVASING, WHICH IS WHICH IS RARE, IT'S TYPICALLY COMPLAINT DRIVEN.

WE HAVE TO GO INVESTIGATE RESEARCH.

AND SO AGAIN, THAT COST IS ASSOCIATED TO THE PERMIT FEES.

ALL OF OUR PERMIT FEES ARE MINIMIZED TO THE COST OF ISSUING A PERMIT.

SO THEY HAVE TO PAY THE COST OF ISSUING THE PERMIT PLUS THAT ADDITIONAL FEE, WHICH IS TRULY THE COST TO THE CITY.

AND WE DO WE DO OUR BEST TO INCENTIVIZE, PROTECT AND TRY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET PERMITS.

AND WE DON'T WANT TO PUNITIVE.

BUT AGAIN, OUR DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL IS THAT REALLY ALL OF THIS IS IS DRIVEN FROM A COST OF SERVICE.

SURE. AND I GET THAT I AGREE ON MOST OF THESE FEES.

JUST RIGHTSIZING THEM TO THE COST OF SERVICE IS THE GOAL.

I'M WONDERING IF IF WE GAVE TACIT DIRECTION TO NOT BE PUNITIVE WITH THIS PARTICULAR FEE OR IF THERE'S A MOVE IN THE INDUSTRY TO NOT NOT TO BE PUNITIVE WITH THIS PARTICULAR FEE LEGAL GUIDANCE, NOT TO BE PUNITIVE.

IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT WE WANT PEOPLE TO DO IS PULL A PERMIT.

AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IF YOU GET CAUGHT DOING YOUR WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT THAT THERE'S A THERE'S A DISINCENTIVE THERE.

IT'S GOING TO COST YOU MORE THAN IT WOULD HAVE TO JUST GO AHEAD AND GET THE PERMIT.

SO AGAIN, I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S GUIDANCE FROM OTHER PLACES, BEST PRACTICES FROM THE INDUSTRY OR OTHER CITIES, WHY WE'RE DECIDING THAT THIS PARTICULAR FEE SHOULDN'T BE PUNITIVE AS A DISINCENTIVE TO DO UNPERMITTED WORK? THERE ARE SOME LEGAL REASONS FOR THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT MAC CARES TO SPEAK TO IT, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT HE WAS NECESSARILY DOING THE RESEARCH AT THE TIME WITH THAT.

BUT AGAIN, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DOESN'T FROWNS UPON WHERE IT IS THAT CITIES ARE CHARGING FOR THINGS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY COST WHAT THEY DO.

SO PUNITIVE IN NATURE.

IF WE'RE GOING TO DO ANYTHING PUNITIVE, IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE THROUGH THE COURTS.

SO A CITATION.

YES. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER. THANK YOU.

WOULD YOU ALL GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE THAT COUNCILMEMBER WATTS HAD UP THERE? AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE, THE SEPTEMBER 12TH DATE VERSUS THE SEPTEMBER 2ND DATE.

AND DID I HEAR THAT WAS LIKE A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS OR SOMETHING? THAT THAT THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE THERE.

THAT WAS THE ASSESSED VALUE.

YES. THE THE 17,000,000,017.1 BILLION TO THE 16.9 BILLION.

OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? AND THE OTHER QUESTION WAS THAT I WAS GOING TO HAVE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WAS WHETHER OR NOT THESE TOTALS WERE CERTIFIED.

SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

YES. OKAY.

THAT'S FINE. WELL, THAT JUST KIND OF MUTES.

MY QUESTION MAKES IT MOOT BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT TIER FIVE.

IF ANYTHING WAS COMING BACK DIFFERENTLY, WOULD WE ENTERTAIN ADDING TIER FIVE BACK OR ADDING TIER FIVE TO TO THE REQUEST? SO IF THAT'S THE FINAL NUMBER, THEN THAT THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION THERE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE AND THE MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

SO LOOKING AT THE SLIDE, THE BUILDING SAFETY PROPOSED RACE FEE CHANGES.

SO, SCOTT, DID I HEAR YOU SAY THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS IS ROUGHLY $300 AN HOUR? THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING FROM NO TRAFFIC SAFETY PILLS FEE TO $300 FEE.

IS THAT ROUGHLY UNDERSTANDING THE COSTS OF IT ACTUALLY TAKING STAFF TO DO IT? YES. ALL OF OUR FEES ARE BASED ON WHAT STAFF TIME IT WOULD BE IN THE CALIPER OF STAFF IN WHICH WE'RE USING.

SO. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THE NEXT QUESTION IS KIND OF JUST A GENERAL QUESTION, AND I APPLAUD THE MAYOR FOR BRINGING THIS UP IN OUR LAST MEETING.

I'M NOT SURE IF HE REALLY EVER GOT AN ANSWER.

I DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER. SO HOW DO WE DECIDE WHICH THINGS GO INTO WHICH TIERS?

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HOW DID THAT PROCESS WORK? THAT WAS A DISCUSSION WITH CMO.

SO EVERYONE, ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS PUT TOGETHER THEIR SUPPLEMENTALS.

THEY WERE PRESENTED TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE BASICALLY RANKED ALL OF THE SUPPLEMENTALS BASED ON THE JUSTIFICATION.

AND REALLY, IT ALSO CAME DOWN TO AFFORDABILITY.

WE KNOW THAT PUBLIC SAFETY HAS BEEN A FOCUS OF THIS COUNCIL AND PREVIOUS COUNCILS.

SO POLICE, FOR INSTANCE, WE WE'VE BEEN CONTINUING THAT FIVE YEAR PLAN, THAT FIVE YEAR STAFFING PLAN.

SO WE HAD WE HAD PREVIOUSLY COMMITTED TO ADDING FIVE OFFICERS EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

SO THAT WAS WHY THOSE WERE ADDED TO THE FIRST TIER.

BUT I ALSO SEE THAT POLICE IN TIER THREE AND TIER FIVE.

YES, WE WE HAD TO WE HAD TO MAKE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS.

I MEAN, I WILL SAY THIS TIER FIVE IS NOT OH, WE JUST LEFT THAT OUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT IMPORTANT.

THOSE ARE ALL IMPORTANT POSITIONS.

IT'S JUST THAT WE LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AND WE PRIORITIZE THAT BASED ON IS POLICE GETTING SOMETHING? YES, THEY ARE. IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT POSITION.

WHILE THEY MAY NEED AN ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT POSITION, THEY NEED MORE OFFICERS ON THE GROUND.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, LIBRARIES.

IT'S PART TIME POSITIONS.

AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT.

I DON'T KNOW. CHIEF MAY WANT TO ANSWER THAT ONE ON PARKS, MAINTENANCE AND OUTDOOR SUPERVISOR AND GUYS, THOSE ARE ALL NEEDED POSITIONS FOR PARKS.

BUT WE ASK THEM TO TO RANK BECAUSE THEY HAD SEVERAL REQUESTS.

WE ASKED THEM TO RANK THEM FOR US FIRST TO SO WE KNEW WHAT WAS WHAT THEY REALLY NEEDED AND IT'S SORT OF A MUST HAVE VERSUS WE REALLY NEED IT, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE KIND OF SITUATION.

SO I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT THE TIER FIVE IS NOT IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT IS.

IT'S JUST HOW WE ENDED UP FUNDING THE ONES THAT WE NEEDED THE MOST, LIKE THE FULL TIME POSITIONS FOR THE LIBRARIES VERSUS PART TIME POSITIONS.

THEY STILL NEED MONEY FOR PART TIME POSITIONS, BUT THEY NEEDED THE FULL TIME POSITIONS MORE.

AND TO BE CLEAR, IT WASN'T A QUESTION BEING CRITICAL OF THE DECISION YOU MADE, A RESIDENT ASKED ME.

SO I WANTED TO JUST GET SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT YOU ALL WENT THROUGH IN THAT PROCESS OF HELPING DECIDE WHICH POSITIONS ARE GOING TO GO IN WHICH TIER.

FRANK DIXON, CHIEF OF POLICE.

SO IT WAS REALLY BALANCING WHAT WAS MOST CRITICAL FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY POSITIONS UP FRONT.

WE PUT THOSE IN THE HIGHER TIERS AND THEN THE POSITIONS THAT WE COULD STAY IN AND WAIT A LITTLE WHILE LONGER FOR IF THEY WERE NOT FUNDED.

WE PUT THOSE DOWN IN THE FOUR AND FIVE TIER.

SO OPERATIONALLY, ONE, TWO AND THREE AND THEN THOSE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON OPERATIONS, WE PUT THOSE FURTHER DOWN.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM.

SO WHAT WHAT IS THE LIKE? SO TO TO COUNCIL MEMBER WHAT'S HIS POINT WHERE IT'S NOT A CLEAN THE 1% ISN'T A CLEAN 1% OF PREVIOUS NUMBERS.

SO IN TERMS OF THE 75% LIKELIHOOD VERSUS 80% LIKELIHOOD FOR THE BUDGET.

OR ASSESS VALUES, RATHER.

AND I KNOW I'M ASKING YOU HONESTLY, TO SOME EXTENT, TO LOOK INTO A CRYSTAL BALL, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE COMING FROM.

DO WE HAVE, CONSIDERING THE TIGHT MARGINS OF THE $6,000 LEFT FOR TIER FOUR VERSUS THE TIER FIVE DO? IS THERE. IS THERE SUFFICIENT ROOM IN THE BUDGET, FLEXIBILITY IN THE BUDGET SUCH THAT WE CAN PRETTY MUCH HOLD TO THIS TIER FOUR IF SOMETHING REALLY WEIRD HAPPENS IN THAT LAST 2%? I THINK WE DO.

WE DO HAVE SOME LEVERS WE CAN PULL IF SOMETHING CRAZY HAPPENS IN THE LAST 2%.

YOU KNOW, NOT ALL OF THE NEW POSITIONS WILL BE HIRED OCTOBER ONE.

SO THOSE WILL COME IN IN WAVES AS WE GET THE POSITIONS POSTED AS INTERVIEWS ARE HELD ON, BOARDING HAPPENS.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS HOLD OFF ON ONE TIME PURCHASES.

SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ONE TIME PURCHASES THAT WERE APPROVED AS SUPPLEMENTALS.

THOSE WON'T ALL HAPPEN ON OCTOBER ONE EITHER.

THEY'LL HAPPEN LATER IN THE FISCAL YEAR.

SO WE WE WILL BE SURE TO MONITOR IT AND WATCH IT AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THE YEAR.

BUT BUT YOU YOU YOU AND THE TEAM FEEL THIS IS YOU'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS A REASONABLY SAFE NUMBER, GIVEN OUR MARGINS.

YES. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S THAT WAS, I GUESS, MORE.

ARE WE ARE WE IN A A RISKY PROPOSITION OR NOT? AND IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH A TIER FOUR THAT YOU CAN MAINTAIN IT.

AND THEN I GUESS MY SECOND QUESTION IS FOR FOR SCOTT AND BACK TO THE FEE STRUCTURE CONVERSATION.

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I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU CHANGE IT FROM 300 TO 8, 100, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF IMPACT? IS THAT 3000 OR 30,000 OR 300,000 KIND OF? I DON'T. SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO ASSESS THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THAT.

SO CAN YOU GIVE SO FOR FUTURE CAN I CAN I GET THAT KIND OF NUMBER? NOT NECESSARILY FOR TODAY, BUT JUST GENERALLY, CAN WE GET THAT KIND OF COUNTS THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED? AND THEN AS WELL AS THE THE THE AGGREGATE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT YOU EXPECT TO CHANGE BY CHANGING THAT FEE STRUCTURE.

BUT CAN YOU GIVE US A BALLPARK OF WHAT KIND OF ACCOUNTS WE'RE LOOKING AT? YES, TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, YES, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT GOING FORWARD, I THINK.

AND I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK THROUGH ALL OF THE CHANGES BEFORE I MAKE THE STATEMENT.

THIS HAS A VERY MINIMAL IMPACT.

SO THE REALITY IS AND YOU REFERENCE THE $300.

SO THE TRAFFIC SAFETY APPEALS, WE HAVE NOT HEARD SINCE 2019.

IT WAS IT WAS LEFT OUT INADVERTENTLY FROM THE CODE.

SO WE'RE PUTTING IT BACK INTO THE FEE SCHEDULE.

AND SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, WE HAVE THE RATE TO CHARGE.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE OTHER, I GUESS I THINK IN ORDER.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE FEES THAT FOR ALTERNATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THOSE WERE ALL PREVIOUS FEES FOR THE PREVIOUS CODE AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THEM IN THERE IF WE HAVE TO HEAR ONE OF THOSE AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME BACK.

SO THERE'S ZERO TO NO IMPACT WITH THAT.

THE ABC FEES ARE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW.

SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS MIMICKING THE VARIOUS TYPES OF APPLICATIONS AND IT WAS A RESULT OF COVID WHEN COVID HAPPENED.

SOME OF THE LICENSING PROVISIONS CHANGED.

AGAIN, WE'RE PERMITTING IT AS ONE THING VERSUS ANOTHER, BUT WE WERE VERY SPECIFIC IN OUR FEE STRUCTURE AS WHAT FEES WE CHARGED FOR, AND THIS IS JUST CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMITS.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO SEE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMITS.

SO IT'S VERY NEGLIGIBLE.

I THINK THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE HEALTH PERMITS, YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A FEW SEASONAL AND LARGELY WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET, IT'S A REDUCTION IN FEES FROM OUR STANDPOINT.

IT'S NOT AN INCREASE IN FEES.

AND ALL WE'RE DOING, AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT REALLY IS NOTHING HAS CHANGED FROM PRACTICALLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT FEE, WE HAVE NEVER COLLECTED THAT FEE WE HAVE TAKEN IN.

I CAN'T TELL YOU THE EXACT NUMBER.

WE HAVE ROUGHLY 13 MUDS IN OUR ITG THAT WOULD REQUIRE CONSENT THAT WE HAVE TO DO AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK ON AND WE'VE NOT COLLECTED ANY FEES ON THAT.

SO THAT FEE IS NEW AND WOULD HAVE A THAT WOULD BE THE GREATEST IMPACT OF ANY OF THE FEES.

IF THAT HELPS. THAT ANSWERS ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT SORT OF THAT SORT OF HELPS ME.

THE FACT THAT YOU'RE SAYING MOST MOST OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE A WASH IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN TERMS OF THE RATE STRUCTURE VERSUS THE NUMBERS, BECAUSE THOSE NUMBERS AREN'T REALLY CHANGING. THEN FINALLY, TO TO PICK UP FROM A COUNSELOR, DAVIS, WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT YOU'RE CHANGING THE FEE STRUCTURE TO REPRESENT COST OF SERVICE FOR FOLKS THAT DON'T PULL PERMITS.

WE IF WE.

IF WE FIND OUT.

THEN THEY PULL A PERMIT ESSENTIALLY.

AND THAT FEE PLUS THERE WAS ONE MORPHINE.

I WASN'T CLEAR ON THAT.

WHAT HAPPENS IF WE CATCH THEM NOT PULLING A PERMIT? CORRECT. AND SO THEN THAT FEE AND I GUESS IT DOESN'T SHOW I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU HAVE THAT AT.

ALL RIGHT, PROFESSOR, THIS ONE.

UH OK. SO.

WELL, THAT'S A SIGN. THE SIGN.

THE WORK WITHOUT PERMIT. FIRST OFFENSE TO 50 PLUS TO 50 PLUS A PERMIT FEE.

SECOND OFFENSE, THREE TIMES THE PERMIT FLEET FEE PLUS $500 WAS THE PREVIOUS WAY OF DOING IT.

TODAY, IT'S $108 A FLAT FEE.

SO IF IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IT COSTS YOU $100 TO GET A PERMIT TO PUT IN A NEW HVAC SYSTEM.

AND YOU DID THAT WORK WITHOUT PERMIT? WE WOULD WE WOULD THEN IF WE GO OUT, WE INVESTIGATE, WE WOULD CHARGE $108 PLUS THE $100 FOR THE MECHANICAL PERMIT IN ADDITION TO.

SO IT WOULD COST YOU AN ADDITIONAL $100 IF YOU DIDN'T PULL THE PERMIT.

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I GUESS SO THAT'S DOES THAT COVER THEN.

STILL ARE COSTS FOR I MEAN SO IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET 90% OF PEOPLE PULLING PERMITS IN 10% SCOFFLAWS THEN BUT YOU STILL HAVE YOUR STAFF AND YOU HAVE TO RUN THROUGH THE BUSINESS.

IS IS THE DIFFERENCE AMORTIZED IN SUCH THAT THIS 108 WOULD WOULD BE 100 IF YOU WEREN'T HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE SCOFFLAWS KIND OF KIND OF THING? ARE YOU ARE YOU BUILDING IN SUFFICIENT OVERAGE TO COVER THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO CATCH PEOPLE? I MEAN, I'M GETTING TRYING TO GET TO THE HOW DO WE GET TO THE PUNITIVE PART AGAIN? AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE PUNITIVE.

SURE. I'M YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT TO REPRESENT IT WITH COSTS, BUT IF YOU DON'T ACTUALLY FULFILL YOUR COSTS, THEN YOU HAVE TO OVERAGE TO GET YOUR COSTS.

YES. AND I GUESS I COULD MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS IF, IN FACT, THIS IF WE GO DOWN THIS ROAD AND WE FIND THAT WE'RE HAVING TO WRITE MORE OF THESE VIOLATIONS AND WE'RE HAVING TO DO MORE INVESTIGATIONS THAN IT WOULD REQUIRE US TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, WE NEED TO ADD A STAFF PERSON IN ORDER TO MANAGE THESE PERMITS THAT ARE NOT BEING PULLED.

AND THEN HENCE THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS WOULD BE INCREASED.

SO YOU ANTICIPATED EXACTLY WHERE I'M GOING.

YOU'RE ADDING STAFF PERSONS IN TIER TWO? I THINK IT WAS. BUT IS THAT SUFFICIENT STAFF TO COMPENSATE FOR ANY DIFFERENCES IN IN SERVICE LEVEL THAT YOU'LL NEED? I'M GOING TO ANTICIPATE THAT WE'VE GOT A GOOD CITIZENRY TODAY, AND I WILL COME BACK TO YOU IF WE FIND THAT WE HAVE AN INCREASE IN THIS AS A RESULT OF CHANGING THE FEE. OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH.

I'M NOT SHY TO ASK FOR STAFFING WHERE WE NEED STAFFING, BUT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD MEAN THAT YOU'D BE A YEAR OUT BEFORE WE WOULD HIT THIS BUDGET PROCESS AGAIN, OR I'D COME FROM MIDYEAR IF IT GOT SO SEVERE.

ALL RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU, SCOTT. THANK YOU SO.

I HAVE JUST A BUDGET QUESTION I'VE ASKED EACH TIME OUT, AND FORGIVE ME IF I MISSED IT.

AND YOU SEND IT TO ME. IT'S BEEN A LONG BREAK.

THE THAT YOU CREATE A VEHICLE TO PUT THE STIPENDS BACK INTO THE BUDGET.

THE STIPENDS FOR COUNCIL STYLE MEMBERS.

YEAH, WE DID RESPOND.

WELL, WE PUT THAT AS PART OF THE FOLLOW UP MEMO.

I THINK IT'S EXHIBIT THREE.

SO IT'S.

THERE'S ONLY CURRENTLY ONE COUNCILMEMBER NOT RECEIVING A STIPEND PREVIOUSLY WITH TWO.

BUT THAT IS NOT BACK INTO THE BUDGET.

IT'S IT'S BUDGETED AT A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

IT'S BUDGETED FOR THE FULL COUNCIL.

BUT THEN THERE'S ONE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT DOES NOT RECEIVE A STIPEND.

SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY A SAVINGS.

SO. BUT IS THERE A WAY TO PUT THAT JUST BASICALLY A POLICY THAT SAYS BY LIKE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE, RIGHT, YOU'VE GOT TO OPT IN AT SOME POINT OR OPT OUT.

BUT THE VACILLATION BACK.

I JUST FUNDAMENTALLY, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TAKING MORE THAN WE NEED AND TAKING MONEY THAT WE KNOW IS JUST GOING TO SIT ON A SHELF.

I JUST. CALL ME CRAZY.

IT JUST THAT'S JUST A PAIN POINT FOR ME.

NOT TO SAY IT'S A DEAL BREAKER, BUT JUST TO SAY ON CLEARLY ON THE RECORD, I DON'T LIKE IT.

AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO CREATE A POLICY THAT SAYS NO DIFFERENT THAN A QUALIFYING EVENT, YOU CAN GET ON THE INSURANCE PLAN.

OTHERWISE YOU HAVE TO OPT IN DURING THIS WINDOW AND THEN IT GOES AWAY.

SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T DO THE SAME HERE, WHERE PEOPLE WE DON'T HAVE TO SEQUESTER THE MONEY BECAUSE YOU COULD OPT IN AT ANY POINT.

RIGHT. SO STAFF COULD KNOW BY FEBRUARY INTO FEBRUARY THIS.

YOU KNOW, THOUSAND BUCKS CAN COME BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND THEY'LL HAVE A NEW WINDOW NEXT YEAR.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT TIES CLOSER TO MAY BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN OUR ELECTIONS ARE.

BUT I JUST I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT A LOT.

IT'S JUST JUST I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOOD TO TO TAKE MONEY AND PUT IT ON A SHELF AND NOT HAVE IT ALLOCATED LIKE WE HAVE OTHER FUNDS ALLOCATED FOR FOR SOMETHING.

THEN JUST FOR MY OWN NOTES, I DIDN'T SEE THE GRAPHS, SO FORGIVE ME IF I MISSED IT.

THE SALES TAX, WHAT PERCENTAGE VERSUS PROPERTY TAX? WHERE DO WE FALL? I KNOW WE WERE TRENDING.

WE WERE REALLY CLOSE.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT PERCENTAGE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THE JULY NUMBERS CAME IN $1,000,000 OVER WHAT WE BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR.

SO WE'RE WE'RE VERY STRONG IN SALES TAX RIGHT NOW, WHICH DAVID DAVID, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HE'S BEEN ADJUSTING FOR, LIKE THE PAST YEAR, TRYING TO CATCH UP.

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VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT'S ALL I HAD. COUNSELOR, WHAT'S ON THE.

IT'S ABOUT THE. NO, NO, NO PERMIT FEE.

SO LET'S JUST VERY BRIEFLY FOR THE COMMUNITY SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THIS, THERE'S TWO WAYS YOU EITHER GET CAUGHT WITH A PERMIT NOT TO PRINT THE WORKS ALREADY COMPLETED OR YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THE WORK.

IF YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING A WORK AND YOU HAVE NOT PULLED THE PERMIT, WHAT'S THE REMEDY FOR STAFF, AT LEAST AT THAT POINT? AT THAT MOMENT, I'M DOING WORK THAT REQUIRES A PERMIT AND I DON'T HAVE A PERMIT.

ONE OF YOUR PEOPLE COMES BY, SEES THAT'S HAPPENING.

WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP MOST LIKELY THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR? ULTIMATELY, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU NOTICE TO THAT.

YOU'RE REQUIRED TO GET A PERMIT SO YOU WOULD BE ASSESSED WITH THE PERMIT FEE AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED IS AT $108 IN ADDITION TO THE PERMIT. AND YOU ALSO ISSUE A STOP WORK ORDER.

WE WILL ALSO ISSUE MOST LIKELY ISSUE A STOP WORK.

THAT MEANS AND THEN WE HAVE ALSO THE ABILITY TO WRITE A CITATION.

SO IF WE HAVE A REPEAT OFFENDERS, WE CAN WRITE CITATIONS.

AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION.

SO BUT IF THE WORK'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.

AND THERE'S NO PERMIT.

AND YOU GO TO YOU ASSESS THIS AND THEY HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT AND YOU HAVE TO INSPECT IT.

AND LET'S SAY THE INSPECTION DOES NOT PASS UNCOMPLETED WORK.

WHAT'S THE REMEDY THEN? WELL, SO WE'RE TYPICALLY NONINVASIVE, BUT ULTIMATELY WE CAN ASK THEM TO EXPOSE ANY WORK THAT'S BEEN CONCEALED SO IT CAN GET VERY EXPENSIVE FOR SOMEONE THAT'S DOING WORK WITHOUT PERMIT.

IF WE HAVE TO ASK THEM TO OPEN UP WALLS OR ROOFING OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

THE SAME RULES WOULD APPLY.

IT WOULD BE WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT, AND THEN IT WOULD BE THE PERMIT FEE AND THEN IT MAY ALSO RESULT IN A CITATION.

YEAH. MY POINT IN JUST GOING THROUGH THAT AND I'M SORRY TO BELABOR IT, BUT THIS FEE IS THE LEAST OF PEOPLE'S WORRIES IF THEY'RE DOING WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT. NUMBER ONE, IF THEY DON'T GET A PERMIT, IF THEY KEEP PUTTING THAT OFF OR JUST REFUSE TO GET IT, I'M HEARING YOU SAY YOU CAN ISSUE A CITATION, WHICH IS NOW SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN THIS.

IF THEY'RE DOING THE WORK AND THE PROCESS OF DOING THE WORK, YOU CAN ISSUE A WORK STOPPAGE, WHICH MEANS NOW YOUR WHOLE PROJECT SHUTS DOWN.

AND MOST LIKELY THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE SCRUTINY AS THINGS MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE I GO BACK AND IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE AND YOU REALLY DO NEED TO SEE SOMETHING TO REALLY SHOW THAT THIS DID PASS TO THAT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THAT WORK IS COMMENSURATE WITH WITH OUR POLICY.

YOU CAN REQUIRE PEOPLE TO I MEAN, I'VE HEARD PEOPLE HAVING TO TAKE WINDOWS OUT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T COMPLY WITH WITH THE CODE.

SO MY POINT BEING THAT FEE, YOU CAN MAKE IT $1,000.

YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO BE HIT SOMEBODY IN THE POCKETBOOK.

BUT SOME OF THE REMEDIES THAT YOU HAVE OUTSIDE OF THAT THAT ARE NORMALLY IN THE PROCESS ARE MUCH MORE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY EGREGIOUS, BUT MUCH MORE BURDENSOME AND AND COSTLY TO SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T CONTINUE TO COMPLY.

ABSOLUTELY. AND YOU'RE A GOOD SPOKESMAN FOR THE DEPARTMENT.

I WILL SAY OUR STAFF, OUR CIVIL SERVANTS, THEY'RE THEY'RE HERE ULTIMATELY TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CITIZENS.

THE PURPOSE AND PERMITS ARE TO PROTECT.

AND EVERYTHING WE CAN DO ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE MODEL IN ISSUING THE BUILDING PERMITS ULTIMATELY WILL ADVISE THEM ON WHAT STEPS THEY NEED TO TAKE, WHAT'S PROPER, WHAT'S NOT PROPER. SO THEY DON'T GET INTO THIS A LITTLE FURTHER ON SOMEBODY NOT LICENSED, THEY'RE NOT INSURED.

THEY'RE NOT DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING OR USING THE RIGHT PRODUCTS.

AND YES, IT CAN BECOME MUCH MORE COSTLY FOR THEM, NOT NOT AT THE CITY'S FAULT OR RATIONALE.

SO, AGAIN, IT'S IT'S INTENDED TO BE THAT PIECE THAT WE'RE HELPING THEM.

WELL, IT REMINDS ME OF WHAT DO WE CALL IT NOW, COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT SERVICES.

WE JUST WANT PEOPLE TO COMPLY.

AND IT JUST TAKES A LITTLE NUDGE SOMETIMES.

AND THIS TO ME IS THE SAME KIND OF APPROACH HEY, LET'S TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS.

AND IF YOU DON'T, THEN WE'LL GO DOWN THE NEXT PATH, WHICH WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE BURDENSOME.

YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MAYOR PATTON? SO I'M SEEING HERE ON THE ON THE MEMO THAT IT'S THE 750 A MONTH 9000 FOR THE STIPENDS WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT AT A SMALL AMOUNT OF OUR OVERALL BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET.

AND I GUESS MY QUESTIONS ARE, ONE, HOW MANY PEOPLE DIDN'T TAKE THEIR STIPENDS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS? TWO THAT I KNOW OF.

JUST MYSELF AND COUNCILOR AMATEUR.

RIGHT. CORRECT. AND IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE PRECLUDED BY THE CONSTITUTION OF TEXAS FROM DOING SO.

SO I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THE CITY MANAGER USE BY 9000.

HOWEVER, IS IS MOST EFFICACIOUS THAT IT FEELS LIKE A GOOD BARGAIN FOR THE CITIZENS OF DENTON OK.

OKAY. GO AHEAD, MAYOR.

YEAH, WELL, I'LL LET YOU BECAUSE I GET YELLED AT FOR SAYING THINGS, MAYOR PRO TEM.

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SO YOU'VE CRITICIZED ME SOMETIMES FOR THINGS THAT I'VE SAID, TRY TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESPECTFUL WITH DECORUM, PLEASE.

I'D APPRECIATE THAT.

I SURE WILL. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUDGETS RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THE WAY YOU APPROACH IT AND YOU SAY, WELL, THIS AND THIS.

YOUR ATTITUDE IS TERRIBLE.

YOUR TONE IS TERRIBLE.

SO I'M JUST SAYING YOU HAVE YOUR OPINION.

I GET IT. BUT YOU CAN PUT IT IN A WAY THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE RESPECTFUL AND NOT AS ANTAGONISTIC.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. READY FOR AIRPORT FEES? FEE CHANGES ARE ALL BASED ON A FEE STUDY THAT THE AIRPORT HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

SO CHANGES TO HANGAR FEES, DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION FEES, MEETING ROOM FEES, FUEL DELIVERY, AND THEN THE HOURLY RATE. AND WE DO HAVE SCOTT GRAY HERE IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THE AIRPORT FEES, BUT THIS IS THE ONLY SLIDE ON THE AIRPORT FEE CHANGES.

QUESTIONS. AIRPORT FEES.

GIVE ME JUST ONE MOMENT.

CORRECT. I.

WOULD IT BE IN THIS DISCUSSION THAT WE WOULD TALK ABOUT LAND LEASES SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE WITH OBAMA DRAWING A BLANK? THE FACT IS THAT THOSE ARE JUST INDIVIDUALLY NEGOTIATED.

I BELIEVE SO. BUT I'LL LET SCOTT ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

OK. OF COURSE.

SCIENTIFIC. THERE YOU GO. I COULDN'T.

I DON'T KNOW WHY I WAS DRAWING A BLANK.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. HEY, GOOD AFTERNOON.

SCOTT GRAY, AIRPORT DIRECTOR FOR YOU.

AND I MISSED YOUR QUESTION AS I WAS WALKING DOWN THE HALL.

SO IF YOU COULD REPEAT THAT FOR ME, BY ALL MEANS.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF WE IF IT WOULD BE A FEE DISCUSSION OR IS IT INDIVIDUALLY NEGOTIATED ON THE LAND, BASICALLY LIKE CORE SCIENTIFIC, LIKE THOSE TYPE OF THINGS WHERE IF WE WERE TO OR BUT MAYBE THIS WOULD BE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE AIRPORT AS THAT COMES INTO PLAY.

SO NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT JUST SAYING AS THAT WEST SIDE OF THE AIRPORT COMES INTO PLAY, WE GET ACCESS.

IS THAT A FEE DISCUSSION OR IS THAT AN INDIVIDUAL KIND OF NEGOTIATION ON LAND LEASE, ETC.? SURE. AND IT CAN BE EITHER.

ACTUALLY, RIGHT NOW THE WEST SIDE OF THE AIRPORT HAS NOT BEEN APPRAISED.

SO AS WE'RE APPROACHED WITH DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THERE, WE CAN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AN OFFER.

WE CAN BRING THAT FORWARD TO COUNCIL AS PART OF A LEASE AGREEMENT.

WE CAN HAVE THE PROPERTY APPRAISED SO YOU CAN SEE BOTH.

THIS IS THE APPRAISED VALUE.

HOWEVER, THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY.

THIS IS WHAT STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND IS A DECREASE AND THAT AMOUNT DUE TO THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, ETC., ETC., SO THAT THAT COULD BE NEGOTIATED.

OKAY, GREAT.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? FEES ON AIRPORT? NO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE MOVING ON TO PARKS AQUATICS FEE CHANGES.

THESE ARE CURRENTLY FOR WATER WORKS PASSES, SO MONTHLY PASS AND SEASON PASS.

AND I DID WANT TO POINT OUT PARKS ARE NOT AN EYESORE.

I BELIEVE IT WAS IN FEBRUARY OUTLINING THE FEE CHANGES THAT WERE REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET AMENDMENT THIS CURRENT YEAR.

WE HAD SOME STAFFING INCREASES AT THE WATER PARK THAT NECESSITATED SOME RATE CHANGES.

SO THIS IS JUST IN LINE WITH WHAT WAS ALREADY PROVIDED TO COUNCIL IN THAT ICER.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT SUBSIDY AND THE THE PROPOSED SUBSIDY LEVELS THERE FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FEES.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? IF I COULD ASK PARKS TO GO ON THE RECORD ON THE THE ONE THE ONE LIGHTNING ROD I HEARD WAS THE COOLER FEE? IS THAT WHERE IS THAT CAPTURED OR SOMEONE WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? IS THAT COMING BACK? IT'S ACTUALLY ON THIS SLIDE, BUT I'LL HAVE NIKKI.

YEAH. LET ME SEE WHERE IT.

NIKKI SASSENUS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR PARKS AND RECREATION.

YES, THE COOLER FEE IS COMING BACK.

IT IS $60 PER PASS FOR THE SEASON AND THEN $5 FOR THE DAY.

AND WE DID HAVE 89 COOLER PASSES SOLD THIS LAST YEAR.

OK. AND DO WE GIVE A SPECIAL SO DO WE DESIGNATE BACKPACK COOLER? HOW DO WE. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER THING I HEARD IS THAT THERE JUST WASN'T THERE WAS SOME PEOPLE SAID, HEY, I BOUGHT THE PASS ALREADY AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE.

I'M JUST TELLING YOU, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD, RIGHT? SO I BOUGHT THE PASS AND THEN I FOUND OUT LATER THERE'S A COOLER FEE.

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AND THEN SO THAT'S ONE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS IN ADVANCE.

YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF SEND OUT THIS THAT INFORMATION AND THEN TOO, IS THERE A SPECIFICATION ON THE SIZE OR THAT SORT OF THING THAT WHAT CONSTITUTES A COOLER VERSUS A BACKPACK VERSUS I HAVE AN INFANT, YOU KNOW, GOT TO KEEP THINGS COLD.

SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS. SO WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE SURE THAT WE INCLUDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE COOLER PATHS IN OUR MARKETING EFFORTS FOR PRE-SEASON PASSES.

WE DID HAVE A NUMBER OF PRE-SEASON PASSES THAT WERE SOLD PRIOR TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW RATES, AND WE DID GRANDFATHERED THOSE IN SO THAT THERE WAS SOME 600 PASSES SOLD WHERE THEY IF THEY WANTED TO BRING IN A COOLER, THEY DIDN'T NEED TO BUY THE ADDITIONAL COOLER PASS.

AS FAR AS WHAT CONSTITUTES A COOLER, I GUESS ANYTHING THAT COMES IN THAT BRINGS FOOD.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY DO IS LIMIT BRINGING IN OUTSIDE FOOD BECAUSE WE, THE CITY INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN CREATING THE CONCESSION STAND AND WE'RE HOPING TO CAPTURE REVENUE IN THAT WAY TO OFFSET OUR OPERATING EXPENSES.

WE'VE ALSO HAD SOME SAFETY ISSUES WITH PEOPLE BRINGING IN COOLERS, ALCOHOL OUTSIDE OF ALCOHOL.

AND SO THE COOLER PATH IS AN ATTEMPT TO HELP WITH THAT ALSO.

SO BRINGING IN STUFF FOR INFANTS IS DEFINITELY ACCEPTABLE.

WE ALLOW THAT. WE ALSO ALLOW PEOPLE TO BRING IN WATER BOTTLES AND THEY CAN FILL THEIR WATER BOTTLES.

SO IF THEY'RE EMPTY WATER BOTTLES, THEY CAN THEY CAN FILL THEM AT OUR WATER FOUNTAINS.

YEAH. NO, THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

AND IF THERE'S IF THERE'S A VENDOR OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL LEAVE THIS TO YOU, JUST, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT EXISTS, BUT I ENVISIONED SOMETHING LIKE AN AMAZON LOCKER. RIGHT. BUT IT'S IT'S COOLED TO SOME DEGREE.

RIGHT. AND SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BRING THEIR OWN THING AND PUT IT IN A COOLER AND WE CAPTURE THAT REVENUE THAT WAY.

RIGHT. I MEAN, I THINK I TAKE YOUR POINT, BUT IF IF YOU HAVE THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE KIDS, RIGHT.

IT GETS POPCORN GETS EXPENSIVE.

SURE. AND SO TO WANT TO KIND OF MEET THEM WHERE THEY ARE AND AT THE SAME TIME BE MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE KIND OF SUNK IN COST.

SO BUT Y'ALL DO A GREAT JOB.

AND THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR PARKS? CNN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. I'M JUST A FEW FEET.

RIGHT. CHANGES FOR A LIBRARY SO THE COLLECTION AGENCY FEES THERE'S STILL NO OVERDUE FINES.

THIS IS NOT FOR OVERDUE FINES, BUT THIS IS REALLY THE COLLECTION AGENCY FEES FOR IF THE ITEMS ARE DAMAGED OR LOST THE MATERIALS AND THEN THE THERE'S NO ACTIVITY ON THE ACCOUNT.

WE DO MOVE THAT ACCOUNT OVER TO COLLECTIONS AFTER 89 DAYS OUTSTANDING.

AND SO THIS IS JUST A PASS THROUGH COST OF WHAT THE THE COLLECTION AGENCY CHARGES US AND THEN AN INCREASE FOR 3D PRINTING JUST BASED ON MATERIAL COST.

SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR LIBRARIES, JENNIFER BECKER IS HERE.

QUESTIONS FOR LIBRARIES.

SEE NOW. THANK YOU.

AND THEN A COUPLE OF CHANGES FOR POLICE.

WE ARE ADJUSTING THE THE RANGE USAGE FEE BASED ON THE NEW FACILITY OPENING IN THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

SO THAT'S INCREASING FROM $100 TO $150 A DAY.

AND THEN THE PRIVATE EVENT PAY.

THESE ARE BASED ON COMPARISONS OF SURROUNDING LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.

SO JUST INCREASING BASED ON THAT COMPARISON.

AND WE ARE REMOVING SOME OF THE FEES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE FEE SCHEDULE FOR POLICE.

THE DRIVING SIMULATOR IS NO LONGER OPERATIONAL, SO WE'RE REMOVING THAT FEE.

AND THEN THE RANGE WAS SUPPLIES THAT'S BEING COMBINED INTO THAT RANGE FEE THAT YOU SAW ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.

SO WE'RE MOVING REMOVING THAT FEE FROM THE FEE SCHEDULE AND THEN THE SPECIAL EVENTS FOR YOU.

AND THOSE ARE REALLY THIS IS STANDARDIZING IT INTO ONE FEE FOR ALL OF THE PRIVATE EVENT.

ALL PRIVATE EVENTS WILL PAY THIS FEE INSTEAD OF HAVING A SEPARATE FEE FOR THE SPECIAL EVENTS FOR YOU AND PT.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR POLICE THERE, THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS. SEEING NONE, CHIEF.

DO WE. DO WE NEED A.

A GOLF CART TO CHASE GOLF CARTS.

IT'S ALL OUT OF LOVE.

THANK YOU. I'LL DEFER TO LEGAL ON THAT ONE.

THANK YOU. NO, JUST GIVE ME OUR TIME.

ANYBODY QUESTIONS FOR.

FOR POLICE FEES? NO, SIR.

SIR? YEAH. WHAT? OH. MAYOR PRO TEM.

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SO, OF COURSE, DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

IS THERE A DESIRE IN THE FUTURE TO TO BRING BACK TO THE DRIVING SIMULATOR FOR SOME FUTURE BUDGET? SO AT SOME POINT, ONCE WE FIND SOME TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH BRINGING FORWARD TO COUNCIL, WE'LL BE BRINGING IT BACK.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, FIRE INSPECTION FEES.

SO THESE ARE NON EMS FEES.

WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN EMS FEE STUDY THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK TO COUNCIL DURING THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, KIND OF MIDWAY THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR.

BUT THESE ARE SOME FEE CHANGES FOR NON EMS FEES.

SO REALLY JUST TO MATCH THE BUILDING INSPECTION FEES ALREADY.

SO THE THE $25 FOR REINSPECTION FEES GOING UP TO 50, THAT MATCHES THE BUILDING INSPECTION FEES AND THEN SAME WITH THE PERMIT REINSPECTION FEES AND THE OPERATIONAL PERMITS. SO REALLY JUST TRYING TO TO LINE UP ALL OF OUR FEES TO TO MATCH AND AND AGAIN BASED ON COST OF SERVICE.

SO WHAT IT'S COSTING THE CITY TO SEND INSPECTORS OUT.

ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE ON THE REINSPECTION FEE.

HOW DOES THAT WORK? IF SOMEONE WHAT CONSTITUTES A RE-INSPECTION? RIGHT. SO IF YOU'RE OUT THERE AND THERE'S ONE ISSUE, YOU TURN, THEY FIX IT, YOU COME BACK AROUND.

HOW DO WE REGULATE THAT? JUST. JUST CURIOUS.

ULTIMATELY, IT'S JUST THAT WE'LL WE'LL GO OUT PERFORM INSPECTIONS.

THE INSPECTIONS WILL NOTE WHATEVER DEFICIENCIES.

THEN IT REQUIRES STAFF TO GO BACK.

THEY'LL GO THROUGH AND GO THROUGH THE CHECKLIST OF DEFICIENCIES.

AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT THE REINSPECTION FEE IS.

GOT IT. SO IS THERE A THRESHOLD FOR.

THIS ONE. JUST GET IT DONE.

WE'LL COME BACK, CHECK IT. THERE'S NO REINSPECTION FEE.

OR IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK FOR ANY REASON, IF THERE'S ANY DEFICIENCIES THAT CONSTITUTES A REINSPECTION FEE, NO STAFF WILL DO THEIR BEST IF WE CAN VALIDATE IT ANY OTHER WAY OR WE CAN WORK THROUGH IT, OR WE'RE GOING TO BE AT AN ADJACENT PROPERTY AND WE CAN GO SEE THAT STAFF WILL WORK EVERY TIME THAT WE CAN, NOT TO ASSESS A FEE, BUT IF WE HAVE TO SEND A VEHICLE BACK TO THAT LOCATION, THEN WE ABSOLUTELY ASSESS A FEE.

GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. OH, THAT'S MY WHAT ONE QUESTION ON THAT, SCOTT.

IS THERE? DO WE HAVE A WAY TO WHERE IF THERE'S A REINSPECTION THAT'S NEEDED? IF PEOPLE TAKE A PICTURE OR A PHOTO AND SEND IT INSTEAD OF IS THAT TYPE OF PROCESS AVAILABLE OR IS IT TRULY YOU GOT TO SEND SOMEBODY ELSE OUT TO PUT EYEBALLS ON IT? OR I MEAN, I THOUGHT WE HAD THAT AT ONE POINT.

WE WERE DOING WE WERE DOING VIRTUAL INSPECTIONS.

OKAY. AND SO THAT THAT MAY BE WHAT THE CONFUSION IS.

AGAIN, WE'LL USE EVERY MEANS POSSIBLE.

STAFF IS SO BUSY THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO A LOCATION, WE DON'T WANT TO.

SO IF WE CAN VALIDATE IT IN ANY WAY, WE WILL.

OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS AND I THOUGHT I HEARD THE MAYOR SAY AND I MIGHT HAVE MISHEARD HIM.

IF YOU GET AN INSPECTION AND IT FAILS AND YOU GO BACK FOR A RE-INSPECTION NOTWITHSTANDING WHATEVER FEE IS GOING TO BE CHARGED, AND THERE ARE OTHER ORIGINAL ITEMS THAT ARE WRITTEN UP THAT WERE NOT ON THE FIRST ONE.

IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A DIFFERENT INSPECTOR.

THEY SEE THINGS DIFFERENTLY.

HOW IT IS. HOW IS THAT WORK? IN CONJUNCTION WITH A REINSPECTION FEE, I MEAN.

DO THEY GET TO FIX IT THE FIRST IT GETS? I MEAN, YOU UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY.

SO LET ME LET ME GIVE YOU THE I GUESS, THE REALITY IN BEST SENSE.

IT'S IT'S THE CITY'S PHILOSOPHY THAT WE CATCH EVERYTHING THE FIRST TIME.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO IDENTIFY THINGS A SECOND TIME UNLESS IT'S AN EMINENT LIFE SAFETY.

IF THERE IS SOMETHING, WE WILL ASK THEM TO MAKE THE REPAIR.

WE WOULDN'T WE WOULDN'T FIND, I.E.

WE WENT BACK FOR TWO ITEMS. THEY CORRECTED THE TWO ITEMS, WE FOUND A THIRD.

IT'S NOT A LIFE SAFETY.

WE WOULD SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO CORRECT THAT YOU HAVE A LIABILITY AND WE WOULDN'T REQUIRE AN INSPECTION TO COME BACK AND DO THAT.

SO ANY TIME THAT WE CAN.

BUT WE REALLY WORK HARD WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING OUT AND PERFORMING THE COMPLETENESS ON THE FIRST ROUND AND NOT FINDING SUBSEQUENT ITEMS LATER VERY, VERY MUCH DISCOURAGED. SO THE SUBSEQUENT ITEM COULD BE MAYBE FLAGGED ON THE ON THE PASS OF THE INSPECTION AS A CONDITIONAL CONDITIONAL CONDITION.

ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS.

GOOD QUESTION. ANY OTHER.

AND THEN JUST A REMINDER, WE HAVE THE BUDGET AND TAX RATE PUBLIC HEARINGS NEXT WEEK AND THEN BUDGET ADOPTION IS SCHEDULED FOR THE 27TH.

AND SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CNN THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT TAKES US TO OUR SECOND PUBLIC ITEM, AND THAT'S ITEM B ID TWO, TWO, ONE, ONE, THREE, FOUR.

[B. Receive a report and hold a discussion on the commemoration of former residents of Quakertown. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

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MAYOR, THIS IS OMAR.

AM I PRONOUNCING SIDDIQUI? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

THIS IS FIRST TIME PRESENTING.

AND SO HE'S WITH PARKS AND RECREATION.

HE'S A MANAGEMENT ANALYST.

GREAT. WELCOME.

THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.

WE WERE TASKED WITH CONSIDERING SOME OPTIONS FOR PERMANENT AND TEMPORARY MEMORIALIZATION AT QUAKERTOWN PARK AND TO RESPOND IN PARTICULAR TO ONE RESIDENT'S REQUEST FOR A PARTICULAR VISION FOR MEMORIALIZATION.

AND SO THIS PRESENTATION WILL GO THROUGH A FEW OF THOSE OPTIONS.

SO JUST AS A BRIEF REVIEW, WE WILL.

OH, OKAY. SURE.

IS THAT BETTER? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY.

WE WILL GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACKGROUND FOR THIS TALK AND THEN A COUPLE OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT I'D ASK YOU TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE SORT OF GO THROUGH THIS.

AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PERMANENT OPTIONS, INCLUDING THE ONE FROM THE DENTON RESIDENCE RESIDENT WHO COMMUNICATED TO COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD SOME OTHER OPTIONS AND THEN SOME OPTIONS FOR TEMPORARY MEMORIALS, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WE ARE IN THIS SORT OF CENTENNIAL MOMENT OF QUAKERTOWN AND IT WOULD BE REALLY MEANINGFUL TO DO SOMETHING IN THIS MOMENT.

IT'S HARD TO PIN DOWN A PARTICULAR CENTENNIAL DATE BECAUSE THE HISTORY OF QUAKERTOWN AND THE REMOVAL OF THE QUAKERTOWN COMMUNITY WAS SORT OF A PROCESS THAT TOOK 2 TO 3 YEARS.

SO THE VOTE THAT APPROVED THE BOND FOR THE PARK HAPPENED IN APRIL OF 1921, 1921.

YES. AND THAT SORT OF IS THE BOOKEND OF THE BEGINNING OF THIS REMOVAL.

AND BY 1923, EVERY RESIDENT WAS GONE FROM QUAKERTOWN.

SO YOU CAN SEE WE'RE SORT OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS CENTENNIAL MOMENT.

SO AGAIN, THE BACKGROUND.

ON APRIL 19TH, 2022, COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD ASKED US TO CONSIDER OPTIONS FOR COMMEMORATING QUAKERTOWN AND TO CONSIDER THIS ONE PARTICULAR RESIDENCE PROPOSAL.

WHO'S THE RESIDENT? THIS IS RANDY HUNT, WHO HAS BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH THE SOUTHEASTERN COMMUNITY, TOO.

BUT HE APPROACHED COUNCILMEMBER BYRD WITH THIS PARTICULAR PLAN THAT WILL GO THROUGH IN A LITTLE BIT.

SO AS WE SORT OF TALK ABOUT THESE PERMANENT OPTIONS AND EVEN SOME OF THE TEMPORARY ONES, I'D LIKE YOU TO SORT OF KEEP IN MIND THE IDEA OF PROCESS, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PERMANENT MEMORIAL.

AND WHAT WE WANT FOR A PERMANENT MEMORIAL IS A PERMANENCE, MEANING WE WANT A MEMORIAL THAT WILL WORK AS PART OF A OVERALL MASTER PLANNING EFFORT FOR THE PARK.

AND WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON A DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN EFFORT WHICH WILL INCLUDE QUAKERTOWN PARK AND SHOULD INCLUDE ANY PERMANENT MEMORIAL.

AND THE SECOND POINT TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT QUAKERTOWN PARK WILL CONTINUE TO FUNCTION AS A PARK, EVEN WITH A VERY SIGNIFICANT AND MEANINGFUL MEMORIAL ELEMENT WITHIN IT. SO AS WE SORT OF CONSIDER THESE OPTIONS, WE HAVE TO SORT OF RECONCILE THE NEED FOR MEMORIALIZATION WITH THE NEED TO ALLOW QUAKERTOWN TO BE A FULLY OPERATIONAL PARK.

MEANING WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND CONCERNS ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND SORT OF THE WAY THE PARK WILL WORK WITH THE MEMORIAL AND STILL BE ABLE TO HOLD CITYWIDE EVENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO CURRENTLY DENTON HAS A NUMBER OF EXISTING AND PLANNED MEMORIALS TO QUAKERTOWN.

THIS SLIDE BRIEFLY GOES THROUGH A FEW OF THEM.

ON THE LEFT YOU'LL SEE THE BRICK RELIEF THAT IS CURRENTLY AT THE CIVIC CENTER.

AND THIS RELIEF FEATURES ARTWORK THAT IS BASED ON ARCHIVAL PHOTOGRAPHY OF QUAKER TOWN AND THE QUAKER TOWN COMMUNITY.

AT THE MIDDLE OF THE SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE MEMORIAL OR THE HISTORICAL MARKER THAT IS ACTUALLY IN QUAKERTOWN PARK AND THAT IS JUST WEST AND SLIGHTLY SOUTH OF THE CIVIC CENTER, RIGHT NEAR THE GARDEN BETWEEN THE CIVIC CENTER AND CITY HALL CLOSER TO DOWNTOWN.

THE DENTON COUNTY HAS AT THE DENTON HISTORICAL PLAZA, I SUPPOSE, AS THEY CALL IT, THEY HAVE A MARKER TO QUAKERTOWN.

YOU CAN SEE THAT AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THIS SLIDE.

AND AT THE TOP RIGHT, YOU SEE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A QUAKER TOWN HOUSE IN THAT HISTORICAL PLAZA THAT HOUSES THE DENTON COUNTY AFRICAN AMERICAN MUSEUM

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SO WE DO HAVE A FEW PLACES IN TOWN CURRENTLY, AND TWU IS CURRENTLY PLANNING A VERY EXPANSIVE MEMORIAL THAT WILL OCCUR IN TWO PHASES.

THE FIRST PHASE WILL COST AROUND TWO AND ONE HALF MILLION DOLLARS AND WILL INVOLVE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A VERY LARGE HISTORICAL PLAZA, AN AMPHITHEATER BENCHES COMMEMORATING QUAKERTOWN RESIDENTS AND SORT OF ENGRAVED NAMES OF QUAKERTOWN RESIDENTS WITHIN THIS MEMORIAL.

AND THAT'S BASED ON THE 1920 CENSUS.

SO HERE ARE THE PERMANENT MEMORIAL OPTIONS THAT WE'LL WALK THROUGH VERY QUICKLY.

BUT JUST BRIEFLY STATED, THERE'S THE TERRY AVENUE SIDEWALK PROPOSAL.

THAT WAS FROM RANDY HUNT'S MEMORIAL MARKERS, WHICH COULD BE PART OF THAT, BUT ALSO SHOULD MAYBE BE CONSIDERED INDEPENDENTLY.

AND THEN THERE WAS THE QUESTION OF RENAMING THE DENTON WOMEN'S BUILDING OR HOSTING A MUSEUM SPACE WITHIN THAT.

AND FINALLY, THERE IS THE OPTION OF CONSIDERING A HEALING GARDEN OR A SCULPTURE GARDEN THAT WOULD HOUSE A MEMORIAL OPTION, A MEMORIAL COMPONENT WITHIN IT.

SO THE TERRY AVENUE SIDEWALK PROJECT IS DESIGNED TO PLACE WITHIN THE CURRENT PHYSICAL ARCHITECTURE OF QUAKERTOWN PARK, AN OUTLINE OF WHAT WAS THERE IN OLD QUAKER TOWN.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, YOU SEE THE PARALLEL ORANGE LINES WITHIN THIS RED BOX.

THAT WOULD BE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TWO SIDEWALKS.

THAT WOULD SORT OF REPRESENT BOTH SIDES OF TERRY AVENUE.

AND TERRY AVENUE IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE IT WAS QUAKER TOWN'S MAIN STREET, ESSENTIALLY, AND IT HOUSED A NUMBER OF VERY IMPORTANT LANDMARKS.

AND IT SORT OF, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SANBORN MAP HERE ON THE RIGHT, IT IS SORT OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF QUAKER TOWN.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS WOULD BE QUITE A SIGNIFICANT INTERVENTION ON THE PHYSICAL SPACE OF QUAKERTOWN.

IT MIGHT INVOLVE REMOVING SOME TREES, THE SIDEWALKS AS THEY OUTLINE TERRY AVENUE.

ON THIS OVERLAY YOU CAN SEE IT SORT OF INTERSECTS WITH THE EXISTING BANDSHELL.

SO THERE WOULD THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF CHANGES THAT MAY NEED TO BE MADE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS KIND OF.

SORT OF INTERVENTION.

OTHERWISE, THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT INTERRUPTING THE FLOW OF FUNCTIONALITY IN THE PARK AND ALSO QUESTIONS ABOUT IF WE DO THIS AS A PERMANENT MEMORIAL, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE NEED TO GO BACK AND DO CERTAIN MAINTENANCE CHANGES OR IRRIGATION CHANGES TO TO THIS STRUCTURE THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE? SO THESE ARE THE PART OF THE CHERRY AVENUE PROPOSAL WAS TO INCLUDE WITHIN IT.

BRASS OR METAL PLAQUES AT THE LOCATION OF EACH RESIDENCE, CHURCH OR BUSINESS THAT WAS ALONG TERRY AVENUE AND ON THOSE PLAQUES TO SORT OF MEMORIALIZE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE THERE OR WORK THERE OR WHO WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR LEADING THOSE CHURCHES.

THIS KIND OF MEMORIALIZATION CAN HAPPEN ON THOSE SIDEWALKS IF IT'S PLACED WITHIN THE CONCRETE TO CREATE SORT OF A FLUSH SURFACE.

YOU DON'T HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT PEOPLE TRIPPING AND THAT SORT OF THING.

YOU COULD ALSO CONSIDER A MEMORIAL PROJECT THAT HAD MEMORIAL MARKERS MORE BROADLY ACROSS THE PARK.

BUT THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS WITH THAT.

AGAIN, WITH.

MAINTENANCE IF YOU HAVE TO GET INTO THE GROUND AND DO SOME IRRIGATION FOR WATERING AND THAT SORT OF THING.

AND ALSO THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS, AS ALWAYS, WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR VANDALISM AND THAT SORT OF THING.

IF WE WERE TO DO THIS MORE WIDESPREAD ACROSS THE PARK, THERE WOULD BE ABOUT 85 LANDMARKS THAT EXISTED IN QUAKERTOWN THAT EXISTS IN THE CURRENT SPACE OF QUAKERTOWN PARK.

SO IT WOULD BE QUITE, QUITE A NUMBER OF OBJECTS TO PUT IN PLACE IN THE PARK.

ALL RIGHT. SO PART OF OR PART OF THE SUGGESTION OR THE CONVERSATION LATELY HAS BEEN THAT THE DENTON WOMEN'S CLUB MIGHT CHANGE ITS NAME TO HONOR SOMEONE WHO LIVED IN QUAKERTOWN AND OR HOUSE A MUSEUM WITHIN ITS FACILITY THAT HONORED QUAKERTOWN.

SO STARTING WITH THE SECOND PIECE, THE MUSEUM, THE BUILDING ITSELF DOES NOT REALLY SEEM ADEQUATE TO HOUSE A MUSEUM EXHIBIT.

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IT WOULD REQUIRE QUITE A BIT OF RENOVATION WORK AND IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM QUITE ADEQUATE TO THE TASK AND TO THE QUESTION OF RENAMING.

I SPOKE WITH THE DENTON WOMEN'S CLUB AND THREE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES, INCLUDING THEIR CURRENT PRESIDENT, AND THEY, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, DO NOT SEEM TERRIBLY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THE IDEA OF RENAMING.

ONE OPTION THAT MAKES SENSE WITH THE PURPOSE OF A PARK IS A HEALING GARDEN OR A RECONCILIATION GARDEN.

AND THIS COULD BE LOCATED, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE HENRY TAYLOR'S LOT WAS ONCE WAS, WHICH IS NEAR THE RESTROOM BUILDING JUST TO THE WEST OF THE PART OF THE POOL. HENRY TAYLOR WAS WELL KNOWN AS A SKILLED HORTICULTURALIST, AND HE WAS PARTICULARLY KNOWN FOR HIS GARDENS OF WHITE LILACS.

AND SO WE COULD INCLUDE WITHIN THE GARDEN IN THAT SPACE, MAYBE A MEMORIALIZATION TO HIS PARTICULAR EXPERTISE IN GROWING THESE FLOWERS.

ANOTHER LOCATION THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE IS BETWEEN CITY HALL AND THE CIVIC CENTER.

WE HAVE AN EXISTING GARDEN THERE.

WE COULD EXPAND IT TO INCLUDE A MUCH MORE PROFOUND AND CONSIDERED MEMORIALIZATION OF QUAKER TOWN AND TO INCLUDE IN THAT HISTORICAL SIGNAGE. BUT AGAIN, WITHIN A SORT OF CONTEXT OF A HEALING PARK THAT ENCOURAGES A KIND OF THERAPEUTIC SORT OF HEALING AND CONTEMPLATION.

SO THE DOWNSIDE TO THIS OR SOMETHING TO CONSIDER ALONGSIDE THIS IS THAT A GARDEN SUCH AS THIS WOULD REQUIRE A CONTINUED LEVEL OF ONGOING MAINTENANCE.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF MAINTENANCE THAT IS UNHEARD OF IN A PARK.

SO SO WITH THE DISCRETE ELEMENTS OF A PARK LIKE THIS, WE COULD MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED FOR MAINTENANCE, PARTICULARLY IRRIGATION AND THAT SORT OF THING AS TIME GOES ON.

AND SINCE WE ARE IN THIS SORT OF CENTENNIAL MOMENT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER SOME OF THESE TEMPORARY MEMORIAL OPTIONS THAT MIGHT BE ACHIEVABLE MUCH MORE QUICKLY AND TO HONOR THIS VERY SPECIFIC AND IMPORTANT MOMENT THAT WE'RE IN.

SO ONE OF THESE OPTIONS IS TO SORT OF DO THE TERRY AVENUE PROJECT, BUT IN A TEMPORARY WAY THAT MAKES USE OF ATHLETIC PAINT AND TEMPORARY SIGNAGE TO HAVE THE SAME OVERALL EFFECT OF PLACING UPON THE CURRENT PHYSICAL ARCHITECTURE OF THE PARK, A SENSE OF SPACE OF OLD QUAKER TOWN AND THE SIGNAGE HERE WOULD LIKE. THE MEMORIAL MARKERS THAT I SPOKE ABOUT WOULD SORT OF INCLUDE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PAST OWNERS OF THESE PROPERTIES OR THE INDIVIDUALS CONNECTED WITH BUSINESSES AND CHURCHES, AND IN THAT WAY, HONOR THESE INDIVIDUALS AND QUAKER TOWN ITSELF IN THIS CENTENNIAL MOMENT.

AGAIN, THIS WOULD INVOLVE HOUSING ABOUT 80 OR 85 MARKERS WITHIN QUAKERTOWN PARK ITSELF.

SOME OF THOSE MARKERS, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS OVERLAY, WOULD CORRESPOND WITH WOULD BE PLACED ON OR MAYBE WITHIN EXISTING BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES. SO WE'D HAVE TO SORT OF FIND A WAY TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT IS ALREADY IN THE PARK.

AND FINALLY, WE'RE NOT FINALLY, BUT ANOTHER OPTION TO SORT OF MEMORIALIZE QUAKER TOWN IN THIS KIND OF TEMPORARY AND ANNIVERSARY WAY WOULD BE TO HAVE EXPLANATORY SIGNAGE ON VARIOUS PARTS OF THE PARK THAT WOULD, AGAIN, SORT OF SERVE TO ORIENT THE READER AND LET THEM KNOW WHERE THEY ARE IN THE PHYSICAL SPACE OF WHAT WAS QUAKERTOWN PARK THESE THE NARRATIVE, THE HISTORICAL NARRATIVE FOR THESE SIGNS CAN BE GENERATED PRETTY QUICKLY BY STAFF. THE DOWNSIDE IS THAT THEY MIGHT BE DAMAGED EASILY, BUT THEY ARE RELATIVELY ECONOMICAL TO PUT BACK UP.

THE CITY MAY ALSO CONSIDER DOING A NUMBER OF REMEMBRANCE EVENTS IN THIS CENTENNIAL MOMENT, AND THAT COULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE A HISTORY SPEAKER SERIES, MAYBE A DAY OF REMEMBRANCE FOR QUAKER TOWN AND RELATED ARTS, OR MUSICAL EVENTS AT QUAKERTOWN PARK OR PERHAPS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

AND FINALLY, WHAT WE RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL AS THEY CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD IS TO INCLUDE ANY PERMANENT MEMORIAL IN THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN FOR QUAKERTOWN PARK.

THIS WOULD HAVE THE BENEFIT OF ENSURING THAT THE MEMORIAL IS COHESIVELY INCLUDED WITHIN THE PARK AND ULTIMATELY TO ENSURE THAT THE PERMANENCE OF THE PERMANENT MEMORIAL IS IS REALIZED.

AND FINALLY, COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER SOME OF THESE TEMPORARY MEMORIALS TO CAPTURE THIS CENTENNIAL MOMENT THAT WE'RE PRESENTLY IN.

ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS.

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I HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE DIRECTION VEINS OF SOME FOLKS HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF I PROBABLY OUGHT TO LET THEM DO THIS FIRST.

YEAH. SO QUESTIONS.

REMEMBER TO THINK MR. MAYOR. SO.

THESE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN GENERATED.

I PRESUME THAT WELL, AND I HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE LEGACY FAMILIES IN SOUTHEAST DENTON.

SO SO IS THERE A PARTICULAR INTEREST IN IN THESE IN THOSE PARTICULAR GROUPS THAT ARE THE LEGACY OF THOSE IMPACTS THAT WERE THERE FAVORING A PARTICULAR APPROACH? WELL, CURRENTLY WE ARE AT THE MOMENT IN THIS PROCESS WHERE WE ARE LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL ON WHAT DIRECTION YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE.

AND ONCE THAT IS SORT OF CLARIFIED, WE WILL ENGAGE WITH THE SOUTHEASTERN COMMUNITY IN A KIND OF MASTER PLANNING PROCESS THAT WILL DEEPLY INVOLVE THEIR INPUT AND AND WHAT THEY WANT FOR A FINAL MEMORIAL.

I MEAN, THAT'S ANY PERMANENT MEMORIAL WILL CERTAINLY REQUIRE DEEP INFORMATION INPUT FROM THE SOUTHEASTERN COMMUNITY, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, MANY QUAKERTOWN RESIDENTS WERE RESETTLED IN SOUTHEAST DENTON AND MANY OF THE DESCENDANTS OF QUAKERTOWN RESIDENTS CONTINUE TO LIVE THERE.

SO YES, ANY MASTER PLANNING PROCESS WOULD DEEPLY INVOLVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SOUTHEASTERN COMMUNITY AND AND WOULD NEED TO BE RESPONSIVE TO WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE IN A MEMORIAL.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT MAKES SENSE, ESPECIALLY FOR DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF IN THE CURRENT CONVERSATION, I ASSUME THESE THESE PLANS DIDN'T SPRING WHOLE CLOTH OUT OF NOWHERE, THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME SOME NASCENT DISCUSSIONS IN THE COMMUNITY AND FROM VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS AND VARIOUS STATE NIGHTS TO TO GET TO THESE FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

SURE. AND COMBINATIONS OF OPTIONS.

AND IS THERE A SORT OF A PREDISPOSITION FROM FROM THE SOUTHEASTERN FOLKS IN A PARTICULAR DIRECTION? I WILL SAY, AS WE WERE PREPARING THIS FOR COUNCIL STAFF HAS NOT SPOKEN.

I HAVEN'T SPOKEN DIRECTLY TO SOUTHEASTERN REPRESENTATIVES.

AND SO IN THE I, I MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR THAT THESE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE COMING FROM THAT PLACE OF NOT YET HAVING SPOKEN TO SOUTHEASTERN.

THE PROPOSAL THAT COUNCILMEMBER BIRD RECEIVED WAS FROM RANDY HUNT, WHO HAS BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH MEMBERS OF SOUTHEASTERN AND SEDONA IN PARTICULAR IN PARTICULAR. BUT I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD, STAFF, ONCE WE RECEIVE A SORT OF OVERALL GUIDANCE OF THE KIND OF PERMANENT MEMORIAL THAT COUNCIL HAS IN MIND, WE CAN ENGAGE IN THESE MUCH DEEPER AND PROFOUND CONVERSATIONS.

I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM BOTTOM LINE IS WE WE WANTED TO BRING THIS BACK TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL THAT THERE IS A BIGGER PICTURE HERE THAN JUST PUTTING SIDEWALKS IN THAT TARES UP PART OF THE PARK. THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS THAT TOOK PLACE BETWEEN MR. HUNT AND SOME RESIDENTS OF SEDONA, BUT NOT ALL THE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA AND THE CITY WAS NOT BROUGHT TO THE TABLE AT ANY TIME IN ADVANCE.

SO WE'RE PLAYING CATCH UP HERE.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE WE DO NOT RECOMMEND HAVING PERMANENT FIXTURES PLACED IN A PARK WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE MASTER PLANNING THAT PARK AND LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE FOR DOWNTOWN DENTON.

THE OTHER PART OF IT IS ALSO IS WE TOO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE RELATIVES OF THESE INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES SO THAT WE DO THIS ONE TIME AND DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

AND THAT'S THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER.

GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST. DID YOU HAVE A KNOWING THAT WE HAVE NOT GIVEN DIRECTION, THAT THERE'S NOT BEEN A PERMANENT SORT OF ASSESSMENT OF ANYTHING? DO YOU DO YOU HAVE A SORT OF CRUDE BALLPARK IDEA OF COSTS OR ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OF THESE? PROBABLY NOT THE RENAMING ONE.

THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY A NEGLIGIBLE COST IF WE'RE WERE TO HAPPEN.

BUT THE OTHERS.

WELL, SO FOR THE TEMPORARY MEMORIALS, THE COST OF THOSE ARE RELATIVELY SMALL.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE SIGNAGE WOULD JUST BE PRINTING COSTS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

THE COST FOR PERMANENT MEMORIAL, THAT WILL NECESSARILY DEPEND ON THE SCOPE OF WHAT COUNCILS AND CITIZENS WANT.

ULTIMATELY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE VERY EXPANSIVE MEMORIAL THAT G.W.

IS DOING IN ITS FIRST PHASE WILL COST ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, AND THEY PLAN ON HAVING A SECOND PHASE THAT WILL COST AN ADDITIONAL TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS AND INCLUDE CERTAIN ASPECTS LIKE AUGMENTED REALITY AND SORT OF NARRATIVE STATIONS THROUGHOUT THE SORT OF COPSE OF TREES THAT SURROUNDS THE MEMORIAL, I DON'T IMAGINE.

WELL, I MEAN, COUNCILS CAN DECIDE IF THEY WANT SOMETHING THAT EXPANSIVE, BUT THAT IS SORT OF, I GUESS, THE TOP END OF WHAT WHAT THE EXPENDITURES WOULD BE.

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MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE OR EQUIVALENT.

BUT IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT ULTIMATELY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. CATHERINE MCGEE.

THANK, MR. MAYOR. WELL DONE.

CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR FIRST TIME VISITING FOR COUNCIL.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I MUST ADMIT, I'M A BIT UNCOMFORTABLE HERE.

I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESSES, THE PROCESS.

YOU'VE COME TO COUNSEL BEFORE YOU GO TO SEDNA, AND I THINK THAT'S WRONG.

I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE GONE TO SEDNA FIRST BEFORE COMING TO COUNCIL, BECAUSE THIS MEMORIAL BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE.

I WORK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

PERHAPS I NEED THE PEOPLE TO HELP ME DO THIS.

SO I WANT THIS TO BE MORE PEOPLE LED THAN EVEN COUNCIL LED.

I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO TALK TO THE MINISTERIAL ALLIANCE, BRING THOSE FOLKS INTO THIS.

THERE ARE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS HERE THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE IN THIS PROCESS.

OKAY, MAYOR, JUST WHAT POINT? WELL TAKEN. JUST SO YOU KNOW, THOUGH, WE ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO COME HERE SO WE CAN ACTUALLY TAKE THOSE STEPS.

THEY WERE BEING MOVED IN FRONT OF US INDIVIDUALLY INSTEAD OF US AS A PARTNER DOING IT TOGETHER.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO PLAY CATCH UP AND WE'RE TRYING TO SAY THERE'S MUCH MORE WORK TO DO.

THERE'S CERTAINLY MORE WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITY TO DO THAT AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE, HOW WE GO ABOUT IT, HOW DO WE BUDGET IT, ALL THOSE THINGS WE WERE ACTUALLY COMING HERE TO TO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD A CATCH UP INSTEAD OF SOMETHING BROUGHT TO YOU THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY INAPPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

YEAH, I'LL JUST I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, SENATOR MEETS MONTHLY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, REVEREND LOGAN, WE'RE NOT MEETING IN THIS MONTH, MEETING AGAIN IN OCTOBER, IS THAT CORRECT? FOURTH MONDAY IN OCTOBER.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS EXACT PRESENTATION GIVEN TO THEM.

MANY OF COUNCIL MEMBERS ATTEND THAT MEETING REGULARLY AND ARE THERE TO LITERALLY DIRECTLY INTERACT WITH THE CITIZENS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS PRESENTED BEFORE THEM AS WELL BECAUSE THOSE FOLKS WILL HAVE LIKELY STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT THAT.

AND THEY SHOULD, OF COURSE.

HI. COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISTINE TAYLOR, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

I DID JUST WANT TO SAY THIS WAS THE OUTCOME OF A TWO MINUTE PITCH.

SO THIS WAS THE PROCESS TO BRING BACK SO WE COULD TALK TO IT AND GET DIRECTION.

AND THEN OF COURSE, THE MASTER PLAN THEN WITH YOUR APPROVAL, SINCE THAT REQUIRES FUNDING, WOULD KICK OFF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

BUT I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO PUT OMAR IN A AWKWARD SPOT.

YOU KNOW, THIS THIS WAS THE REQUEST TO BRING BACK A TWO MINUTE PITCH OF WHAT WOULD THIS EVEN LOOK LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S ENOUGH BUY IN FROM THE COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO DO YOU NEED DIRECTION ON A PERMANENT AND TEMPORARY? YEAH, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN BOTH, FOR SURE.

BUT DEFINITELY.

WHICH ONE DO YOU NEED TODAY? NO, I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS DIRECTION TO TO MOVE FORWARD.

I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION IS, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN SOME TEMPORARY REFLECTIONS TO CERTAINLY SHOW WHAT FROM A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE.

THE OTHER THING IS, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF THAT WE THEN FROM A PERMANENT FIXTURE GO OUT, SPEND TIME WITH THE SAID NEIGHBORHOOD, TRY TO GET A HOLD OF OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS WHO MAY BE IN OTHER CITIES, HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND THEN COME BACK AS A PART OF THE MASTER PLAN IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT.

WE'RE DOING IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME, AND THEN CERTAINLY WE'LL HAVE TO BUDGET FOR THOSE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

SO WE HAVE THREE TEMPORARY OPTIONS.

SO WE NEED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN ONE OF THE THREE TEMPORARY OPTIONS.

THEN TODAY, NO, WE GAVE YOU THOSE AS EXAMPLES, BUT YOU COULD SAY GIVE US SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE TEMPORARY AND WE CAN COME BACK WITH THOSE SUGGESTIONS.

IT'S REALLY LOOK AT SOMETHING TEMPORARY TO RECOGNIZE THIS, COME BACK WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS IN ADDITION TO THAT, OR WE'RE HAPPY WITH ONE OF THOSE.

AND TO YES, MOVE FORWARD, MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ENGAGING THE PUBLIC IN ALL AREAS, BUT PARTICULARLY THE SETTING OF NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS AND RELATIVES WHO WERE REMOVED FROM QUAKERTOWN SO THAT WE ARE TRULY REFLECTING THEIR VOICE AS IT RELATES TO WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

SO, MR. MAYOR, I GUESS MY DIRECTION IS YES TO THAT LAST THING RIGHT THERE, THE CITY MANAGER SAID.

AND THEN ANY AND ALL TEMPORARY THE TEMPORARY MEMORIAL OPTIONS.

I PERSONALLY FAVOR MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE EVENTS OF REMEMBRANCE THAT'S KEY FOR ME.

SO AND YES, THANK YOU FOR MAKING SURE WE INCLUDE BOTH SENDING THE MINISTER ALLIANCE IN THIS PROCESS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. OKAY.

CATHERINE BURT AND COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE, FIRST OF ALL, THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF MEMBERS FROM OUR SOUTHEAST ASIAN NEIGHBORHOOD HERE

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AND I WANT TO THANK MR. RANDY HUNT FOR BRINGING THIS TO MY ATTENTION WHILE I WAS ON THE CAMPAIGN.

SO I KNOW THAT THIS THIS THIS THOUGHT BEHIND RECOGNIZING THIS THIS EVENT HAS BEEN LONG SETTLED HERE. YOU KNOW, FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

SO IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.

I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE SOUTHEASTERN COMMUNITY FOR JUST BEING EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

WE WERE EXCITED ABOUT THE SIGN TOPPERS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE DRIVEN THROUGH THE AREA TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE, BUT THAT'S ALL PART OF IT.

IT'S ALL PART OF THIS REORGANIZATION THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

SO, OF COURSE, MY DIRECTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND I THINK THAT BEFORE WE, OF COURSE, MAKE A DECISION ON SOMETHING THAT'S TEMPORARY AND THE TEMPORARY PART COMES IN FOR THE COMMEMORATION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE THREE THINGS.

IF YOU GO BACK TO THOSE THREE THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO DO THERE, THE THAT RIGHT THERE, I WANT ALL OF THAT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO.

SO PART OF THE TEMPORARY SIGNAGE THAT WE'RE GOING WANT TO PUT OUT THERE IS GOING TO BE A PART OF THAT SO WE CAN UNVEIL SOMETHING AND WE CAN SAY THAT IT'S TEMPORARY AND THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE GOING TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO HAVE OUT THERE.

SO ALL OF THIS CONVERSATION, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN WITH THEM, BUT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ALL ALONG, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE SCENES TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS GOES FORWARD.

SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT ALL OF THIS.

THE MUSIC, THE ARTS, THE REMEMBRANCE, THE SPEAKERS.

IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL.

AND SO SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

AND THEN THE PERMANENT I THINK THAT, OF COURSE, THAT'S GOING TO COME FROM THE COMMUNITY AND HOWEVER THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'D LIKE TO DO IT.

I WOULD BE 100% BEHIND ALL OF THAT FOR WHAT WE CAN DO.

THEY'VE GIVEN US SOME CHOICES.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE OUT THERE, SOUTHEAST DAYTON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT YOU LIKE TO SEE AND THAT'S GOING TO BE ON YOU ALL TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY KNOWS WHAT YOU WANT AND WHAT YOU LIKE.

SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT ALL OF THAT.

SOMETHING ELSE, THE WOMEN'S BUILDING.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE I GUESS THE NAMING RIGHTS OF SOME SORT IS COMING UP.

LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN PROGRESSIVE DISCUSSION.

WE'RE ALL DON'T WANT TO LOOK BEHIND BEHIND US ALL THE TIME.

I UNDERSTAND HISTORY IS IMPORTANT.

IF YOU DON'T STUDY IT, YOU'RE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT.

BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK AT THINGS FROM A PROGRESSIVE PERSPECTIVE AND IF THAT SOMETIMES CHANGING NAMES IS, IS, IS A GOOD THING. SO AND I LIKE TO BE IN THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL.

IT'D BE NICE TO HEAR THOSE LADIES SPEAK ON THAT.

SO YEAH, LET'S DO THAT.

I'M READY TO GO.

WE READY TO GO? SOUTHEAST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

OKAY, SO THAT'S MY THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO SEE.

COUNCILMEMBER JUST TO MAKE SURE THE LEASE DOESN'T EXPIRE UNTIL 2026.

THE NAMING RIGHTS OF THE ACTUAL BUILDING BELONGED TO THE WOMEN'S CLUB.

THE CITY OWNS THE LAND.

THE WOMEN'S CLUB OWNS THE BUILDING.

OKAY, JUST. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE THINKS THAT WE CAN DO THAT, BECAUSE WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION, IT WOULD TAKE THE BUILDING UP AGAIN.

OKAY. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S A GREAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION AS WELL.

COUNCILOR DAVIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I'M REALLY GLAD WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND THAT IT WAS IT TOOK THE IDEA AND IT EXPANDED IT AND IT SAID, HERE, HERE'S THE I'M GOING TO USE THE WORD, HERE'S A HOLISTIC VIEW AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON DOWNTOWN AND THE WAY THAT WE USE THIS PARK TODAY, HOW WE WANT TO USE THIS PARK IN THE FUTURE, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL OF THAT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WAY THAT STAFF PRESENTED THAT ISSUE BECAUSE I PUT MY AMATEUR HISTORIAN HAT ON FOR A SECOND.

IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO APPROPRIATELY INTERPRET THE HISTORY OF A PLACE LIKE THIS.

WHEN YOU HAVE A HISTORIC HOUSE, YOU CAN TURN INTO A MUSEUM.

YOU CAN YOU CAN RESTORE IT THE WAY IT USED TO BE.

YOU CAN PUT IN PERIOD FURNITURE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

WHEN YOU HAVE A MUSEUM, YOU CAN DISPLAY THINGS IN A CERTAIN WAY.

WHEN YOU HAVE A PLACE LIKE THIS, YOU CAN'T JUST PUT IT BACK HOW IT WAS.

WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS BRING PEOPLE INTO THE HISTORY OF IT.

I WORRY ABOUT THINGS LIKE A COUPLE OF SIDEWALKS THAT EVEN WITH SOME SIGNS, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO BRING SCHOOL KIDS ON A FIELD TRIP INTO THE HISTORY OF THE PLACE? WHAT DOES THAT DO TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE HISTORY WHEN THEY'RE AT THE ARTS AND JAZZ FESTIVAL, SOMETHING LIKE A MEMORIAL GARDEN THAT YOU CAN USE FOR PERFORMANCE SPACE, THAT YOU CAN SIT A BUNCH OF SCHOOL KIDS DOWN AT, THAT YOU CAN HAVE SOME INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE AND THAT KIND OF STUFF TOGETHER WITH THINGS LIKE THE MEDALLIONS AND THE GROUND, THINGS

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THOSE I THINK ARE MORE MEANINGFUL INTERPRETATIONS OF THE SPACE.

IF I'M MEETING FOR THE FIRST TIME A QUAKER TOWN DESCENDANT WHO HAS NOT BEEN BACK THE DENTON A LONG TIME.

AND THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, MY FAMILY USED TO LIVE IN QUAKERTOWN, SO I KNOW IT'S A TERRIBLE HISTORY THERE.

AND YOU KNOW, WE AS PEOPLE TODAY, WE TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED AND NOT REPEAT THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST.

AND THEY SAID, WELL, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO REMEMBER WE HAD A SPEAKER SERIES AND WE HAVE SCHOOL EVENTS AND WE DO ALL THESE THINGS AND WE PUT DOWN A COUPLE OF SIDEWALKS.

I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT MEETS OUR OBLIGATION TO THIS PARTICULAR HISTORY.

I THINK THAT WE NEED SOMETHING MORE MEANINGFUL THAT BRINGS PEOPLE INTO THE HISTORY OF IT RATHER THAN JUST SOMETHING YOU WALK ALONG.

THE OTHER THING THAT I'LL SAY IS WE HAVE TO CONTINUALLY THINK ABOUT.

HOW PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW THE STORY WILL LEARN THE STORY FROM THE SPACE AND HOW THEY WILL PICK UP THAT HISTORY AND BECOME A PART OF IT.

ALSO KIND OF QUICKLY ON THE THE WOMEN'S CLUB BUILDING, I'VE HEARD LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS FROM LOTS OF DIFFERENT FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT.

WHAT I HAVEN'T HEARD YET IS WHAT I THINK IS NECESSARY IS A MORE IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION WITH THOSE FOLKS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE APPROACHED THEM AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT WE APPROACHED THEM AFTER THE WORK SESSION.

THE PITCH WAS MADE.

WE APPROACHED THEM AFTER.

IN THE COURSE OF THAT TWO MINUTE PITCH, THERE WERE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, WE GOT TO TAKE THAT BUILDING BACK.

THAT'S REALLY OUR BUILDING.

LET'S PUT A NAME ON IT.

ALL THESE THINGS THAT DID NOT INVOLVE THAT VERY ACTIVE AND ENGAGED GROUP OF LADIES THAT THAT RUN THAT BUILDING.

AND THEN ALSO WE CAN'T FORGET THAT THAT IS WE TALK ALL THE TIME ABOUT PUBLIC MEETING SPACE, ABOUT NEEDING LOW COST SPACE FOR EVENTS.

THAT IS WHAT THAT BUILDING IS USED FOR, IS FOR RELATIVELY LOW COST, SMALLER SCALE EVENTS BY A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY GROUPS.

EVERY EVERY KIND OF CIVIC CLUB YOU CAN IMAGINE IS HELD EVENTS THERE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO MORE DEEPLY ENGAGE THOSE FOLKS ON THAT CONVERSATION.

I'M ALREADY SEEING SOME CONVERSATION, THE COMMUNITY THAT TALKING ABOUT HOW RETICENT THESE LADIES ARE TO BEING PART OF THIS PROCESS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCURATE.

I THINK THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS.

IF IT'S A PROCESS AND NOT JUST A PROJECT OR AN IDEA THAT GETS DROPPED ON TOP OF THEM WITHOUT THE CONVERSATION.

AND THEN THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS WE MOVE THIS CONVERSATION FORWARD, SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK HAS BEEN DONE INTENTIONALLY.

I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO IMPLY THAT IT WAS DONE INTENTIONALLY, BUT IT'S MADE ME UNCOMFORTABLE OVER THE COURSE OF THE CONVERSATION.

I DON'T I DON'T PERSONALLY, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO THINK OF SOUTHEAST DENTON AS A SYNONYM FOR AFRICAN AMERICAN DENTON OR THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY IN DENTON OR THAT THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE.

AND CITY MANAGER HAS ALREADY ALLUDED TO THIS.

THAT IS NOT THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE NEED TO GO FOR INPUT, EVEN THOUGH IT IS DEEPLY VALUABLE INPUT FROM THAT PARTICULAR GROUP OF CITIZENS.

I ALSO DON'T LIKE FOR US TO USE SOUTHEAST DENTON AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AS A PLACEHOLDER OR A STAND IN FOR THE DESCENDANTS OF QUAKERTOWN RESIDENTS.

WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY, MANY MORE OUT THERE.

IT'S HARDER FOR US TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM BECAUSE OUR NEIGHBORS IN SOUTHEAST DENTON, WHO ARE QUAKERTOWN DESCENDANTS ARE THERE.

THEY'RE THERE TO TALK WITH US AND THEY'VE COME FORWARD TO TALK WITH US.

BUT I WANT TO BE REALLY, REALLY CAREFUL THAT WE ARE NOT USING THOSE TERMS INTERCHANGEABLY, THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING AS IF THIS IS SOUTHEAST DENTON'S PROJECT. IT IS IN SOME RESPECTS, BUT IT IS THE CITY'S WAY TO REMEMBER THE THINGS THAT WERE DONE IN QUAKERTOWN.

IT IS EVERY RESIDENT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO REMEMBER WHAT WAS DONE IN QUAKERTOWN AND PARTICIPATE IN THE INTERPRETATION AND UNDERSTANDING OF THAT HISTORY.

AND IT IS EVERY QUAKER TOWN DESCENDANTS RIGHT TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THAT RIGHT IN FRONT OF US AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THESE CONVERSATIONS.

COUNCILMAN MCGUIRE SO I HAVE A QUESTION.

I DID NOTE THAT THAT CALL OUT THAT THIS IS THIS REQUIRES ENGAGEMENT BOTH WITH SEDONA AND WITH OTHER LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS WORKING IN A SIMILAR SPACE, BUT ALSO OTHER DESCENDANTS OF QUAKERTOWN RESIDENTS WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE DENTON RESIDENTS ANYMORE IS DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF ACTIONS THAT WE'VE TAKEN TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE OR TO DO THE HISTORICAL RESEARCH TO DETERMINE WHO THE

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I JUST LOOKED AT CAMERON.

NO, AGAIN, THIS WAS RANDY HUNT GOING TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER, BIRD COMING UP WITH AN IDEA, THE STAFF TRYING TO CATCH UP LITERALLY WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON, NOT SAYING IT'S BAD.

I MEAN, I'M THANKFUL THAT HE'S BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE RECOGNIZED.

RIGHT. WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS ENSURE THAT IT'S DONE IN A VERY TASTEFULLY COMPREHENSIVE WAY, AND THAT, AS COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS SO ELOQUENTLY PUT, NOT EVERY PERSON THAT WAS DISPLACED FROM QUAKERTOWN LIVES IN DENTON.

THERE'S I KNOW ONE FAMILY LIVES IN CHICAGO, SOME OTHER PLACES.

IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE TRY TO REACH OUT TO FAMILY MEMBERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING THE INFORMATION AND THEY'RE INVOLVED AND ENGAGED IN THE DISCUSSION.

SO THAT'S WHY I SAY TO DO IT RIGHT, TO DO IT FAIRLY, TO MAKE SURE IT'S THE RIGHT LOCATION, THE RIGHT TIME, THE RIGHT RECOGNITION.

IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF WORK TO DO THAT.

THE SUGGESTION THAT HE HAD WAS CERTAINLY A START.

I DON'T THINK IT'S. THE RIGHT SUGGESTION.

I THINK THERE'S MUCH, MUCH MORE TO DO.

AND I THINK IT'S GOING AND WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK WITH THE BUDGET BECAUSE THERE IS NO MONEY ALLOCATED FOR THIS.

BUT SO WE JUST HAVE TO DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS IF WE WANT TO DO IT RIGHT.

WELL, LET ME ASK THE QUESTION THIS WAY, THEN, GIVEN THAT I THINK I THINK I'M HEARING SOME CONSENSUS THAT WE REALLY WANT THIS TO BE LED PRIMARILY BY THE DESCENDANTS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DISPLACED FROM QUAKERTOWN.

IS DOES STAFF HAVE THE RESOURCES AND THE CAPACITY TO LIKE ASSEMBLE A COMMITTEE THAT MIGHT INCLUDE FOLKS WHO DON'T LIVE AND DONE WELL? THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THE STAFF HAS NOT THIS WAS NOT ON THE STAFF'S PLAN OR WORK PLAN.

THIS WAS A AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS DONE THIS BEFORE AND BROUGHT SUCH AN IDEA BEFORE TO SOMEONE ELSE.

AND WE GET ENGAGED HALFWAY THROUGH THE PROCESS.

BUT BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT AND I WANT TO GIVE CREDIT TO HIM FOR AT LEAST HAVING THAT INSIGHT, IS THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO TO RECOGNIZE WHAT HAPPENED THERE.

YOU SEE THE IMPORTANCE FROM TWU AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY'RE PUTTING INTO IT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO THIS, WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK WITH STAFF SAYING WHO'S GOING TO DO IT NOW? WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. OBVIOUSLY, CAMERON WOULD BE INVOLVED.

THERE WOULD BE A LARGE EFFORT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE INVOLVING THE FAITH COMMUNITY AND RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUTSIDE THIS AREA.

AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO SAY THIS IS HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE.

THIS IS WHAT WE FOUND OUT.

MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT PART OF THIS IS INCLUDED THROUGH THE THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLANNING, BECAUSE IT'S AN EFFORT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BRING A LOT OF PEOPLE TOGETHER.

AND IT ALSO HAS NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSION FROM OTHER PEOPLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE A GREAT EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HISTORY OF QUAKERTOWN REALLY IS.

BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION QUICKLY IS NO, WE DO NOT HAVE IT ALLOCATED, NOR DO WE HAVE FUNDS SET ASIDE OR STAFF TIME THAT'S BEEN ALLOCATED TO TAKE ON THIS, TO TAKE ON THIS. OC SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, I THINK THAT MY DIRECTION IS FOR STAFF TO HOLD MEETINGS WITH WITH SEDNA AND OTHER LOCAL COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS ISSUE IN ORDER TO PLAN.

YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE SPEAKER SERIES IDEA.

I REALLY ALL OF THESE WOULD BE WONDERFUL BUT BUT TO TO GET THE COMMUNITY INPUT ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON A TEMPORARY BASIS AND THEN MOVING FORWARD WITH A PERMANENT SOLUTION.

I THINK THAT NEEDS TO PROBABLY BE A PRETTY ROBUST PROCESS OF FORMING A COMMITTEE OF OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DESCENDANT DESCENDED FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE DISPLACED FROM QUAKERTOWN AND GET GET THEIR INPUT ABOUT A PERMANENT SOLUTION WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT MIGHT BE A YEARS LONG PROCESS BECAUSE WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE BUDGET FOR IT. IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S FUNDED IN FUTURE BUDGET YEARS.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH, I'M GOING TO PRETTY MUCH RECAPITULATE WHAT COUNCILOR MCGUIRE JUST SAID.

I REALLY THINK IN TERMS OF DIRECTION, THAT THE TEMPORARY ELEMENTS THAT WE ALL SEEM TO BE DIALING IN ON SEEM MORE THAN APPROPRIATE.

IT'S IT'S SORT OF OVERDUE AND WILL BE A NICE MOMENT FOR THE CENTENNIAL.

SO AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO ABSOLUTELY BE INVOLVED IN THE PARTICULARS OF OF PLANNING THAT.

AND I MEAN, THE COMMUNITY WRIT LARGE, ALTHOUGH I THINK IT'S IT'S IMPORTANT TO STRESS SORT OF, AS COUNCILOR DAVIS DID, THAT SORT OF THE PREPONDERANCE OF OF THE DESCENDANTS PROBABLY ARE IN THAT SOUTHEAST DENTON NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE LARGER THAN THAT AS WELL.

AND IN TERMS OF THE PERMANENT MEMORIAL, AGAIN, I CONCUR THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT KIND OF MEMORIAL, THAT KIND OF SCOPE, YOU DO NEED TO DO SOME PLANNING. YOU MIGHT NEED TO DO SOME ADJUSTING.

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IT COULD BE ONE SIDEWALK, IT COULD BE 20 FEET TO THE WEST OR EAST, WHATEVER MATCHES IRRIGATION PLANS SO THAT WE HAVE LESS OF AN IMPACT, THAT SORT OF THING.

OR IF THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T LIKE THAT AT ALL, THEN, THEN ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK THE COMMUNITY WRIT LARGE SHOULD SHOULD HAVE A VOICE IN HOW WE DO THAT HISTORICAL REMEMBRANCE ON A MORE PERMANENT BASIS.

I WILL SAY IT'S IT'S VERY POWERFUL TO GO TO A LOCATION WHERE THE EVENTS HAPPEN AND SAY HERE AT THESE LOCATIONS, WAS THIS HOUSE HERE AT THESE LOCATIONS IS THE SUNKEN ARIZONA.

HERE AT THESE LOCATIONS IS THE TOMBSTONE OF MY GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER.

ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS ARE INCLUDING COORDINATES FOR WHERE THEY WERE, AND IF THERE'S NOTHING LEFT BUT A PLAQUE, BUT AT LEAST YOU CAN SAY, OKAY.

SO FOR ME PERSONALLY.

YOU KNOW, I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY IF THEY DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA.

BUT I FIND THAT THAT THE PRECISE LOCATION OF THESE FARMSTEADS HAS VERY POWERFUL SIGNIFICANCE FOR ME PERSONALLY.

I'M ONE OF 151,000 PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN, SO I'M NOT SURE MY PERSONAL OPINION SHOULD DOMINATE.

BUT I DO SENSE THE POWER IN THAT AS A COMPARED TO A MEMORIAL GARDEN.

THERE'S A LOT OF MEMORIAL GARDENS OUT THERE, BUT IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, THEN THEN THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE.

THANK YOU, CATHERINE WATTS.

THANK YOU, MARY. YEAH.

AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH MAYOR PRO TEM ON THAT.

AS FAR AS THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF A SACRED PLACE, OF A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE'S LIVES CHANGED OVERNIGHT WITHIN A SPAN OF SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR, HAS TO BE ALSO FIGURED INTO WHAT DO WE USE THAT AS A PARK FOR? AND THE COMMUNITY DECIDES WE WANT TO TRY TO MITIGATE SOME OF THOSE USES TO TO MEMORIALIZE THESE KINDS OF EVENTS.

SO BE IT. I'M REALLY OKAY WITH THAT.

I TRUST THE PROCESS, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED HERE.

WE HAD AN INDIVIDUAL BROUGHT IT FORWARD TO A COUNCIL MEMBER.

SHE BROUGHT IT FOR A TWO MINUTE PITCH, WHICH IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE RULE OF THE TWO MINUTE PITCH IS IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL FOR A WORK SESSION.

SO THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT I'VE HEARD THAT IS FAULT, THAT STAFF IS AT FAULT FOR SOMEHOW NOT DOING SOMETHING.

THIS HAS BEEN THE PROCESS THAT I BELIEVE BODIES BEFORE THIS BODY HAVE DECIDED ON.

SO I FEEL THAT WHATEVER WE LAND ON, BUT I THINK WE'RE MISSING SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT.

WHEN I HEAR THAT T.W.

IS SPENDING TWO AND ONE HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE FIRST PHASE AND POSSIBLY TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE SECOND PHASE, HOW IN THE WORLD CAN WE WORK WITH THEM TO CREATE MAYBE NOT JUST AN INDIVIDUALIZED MEMORIAL HERE AND ONE HERE? HOW CAN WE MAKE SOMETHING, A PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM WORK THAT PROVIDES SOME TYPE OF CONTINUUM BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST AS INVOLVED AND THEY'RE JUST AS COMMITTED TO REMEMBERING THESE EVENTS THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, WE'RE SORT OF BEGAN WITH WITH THAT INSTITUTION AND THEN CONTINUE WITH THE VOTERS OF THE CITY OF DENTON. SO I'M GOING TO THROW OUT A TEMPORARY MEASURE.

AND I BRAINSTORMED WITH THIS WITH THE MAYOR AND HE TALKED TO SOME PEOPLE, AND THIS MIGHT SOUND REALLY CRAZY, BUT TO ME, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.

TO ME, SOMETHING THAT'S VISUAL HAS A TREMENDOUS IMPACT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS DEVASTATING.

AND I REALLY THINK THAT WE SHOULD FIND A WAY, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S ON THE CENTENNIAL DAY OF REMEMBRANCE OR SOME OTHER TIME, AND MAYBE EVEN MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS ONCE A YEAR.

BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED HERE, PEOPLE WERE DISPLACED FROM THEIR HOMES.

THEIR HOMES WERE LITERALLY PICKED UP AND MOVED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I THINK WE NEED TO RECREATE THAT.

I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CEREMONY AND SOMETHING THAT SAYS THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

WE NEED TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY WE GOT A MEMORIAL OUT HERE THAT HAS WORDS ON IT.

WE'VE GOT ALL THESE THINGS. THAT'S GREAT.

I'M I GREW UP IN DENTON, WENT TO SCHOOL HERE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH ALL THE ELEMENTARY AND HIGH SCHOOL.

I NEVER HEARD THIS STORY TILL AN ADULT.

TELL AN ADULT.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO SHOW PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW THIS STORY.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.

WE'VE GOT A HOUSE, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT, A SMALL STRUCTURE.

WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE PUTTING I MEAN, ANY WAY YOU WANT TO DESCRIBE IT.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO SHOW VISUALLY WHAT HAPPENED.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT BETTER WAY TO DO THAT THAN AT THE 100 YEAR OR SO MARKER OF SOMETHING THAT NONE OF US ARE PROUD OF.

AND THAT'S A HARD THING TO LOOK AT.

IT'S A HARD THING TO SEE, BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.

SO I'M GOING TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AND THAT TAKES PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE PLANNING THAN SOME OF THESE THINGS HERE.

BUT I THINK THE IMPACT OF THAT, WORKING WITH THE SOUTHEAST DENTON COMMUNITY, WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE SOMETHING AND WE MOVE IT FROM THE PARK AND WE MOVE

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I MEAN, EVEN IF IT'S JUST TEMPORARILY, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED AND NOTHING CAN CHANGE THAT.

AND I FOR ONE, WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT AND WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH THE MAYOR ABOUT IT, IT JUST IT JUST I COULDN'T EVEN IMAGINE SEEING THAT IN REALITY THAT REAL TIME. SO I THROW THAT OUT THERE.

AND IF THERE'S NOT ANY CONSENSUS FOR THAT, IF THERE'S NOT, THAT'S FINE.

BUT I COULDN'T I COULD NOT NOT SHARE THAT HERE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT.

AND HOW COULD WE SHOW THE COMMUNITY, YEAH, WE'RE COMMITTED, BUT THIS IS SORT OF WHAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, SO I THROW THAT OUT THERE, BUT I'M OKAY WITH THE PROCESS THAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED BY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT LET'S HAVE A PROCESS, LET'S TALK WITH PEOPLE.

AND I REALLY THINK FROM A PERMANENT MEMORIAL PERSPECTIVE, WE GOT TO GET WITH TWC.

HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE, BOTH OF US TOGETHER HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CREATE SOMETHING BETTER THAN BOTH OF US APART THAT WOULD REALLY ENHANCE THAT MESSAGE.

SO I JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE AS WELL.

GOT IT. ANY OTHER QUESTION? COUNCILOR MAGUIRE. I WOULD JUST SAY, SINCE WE HAVE A NEW SUGGESTION, I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT IDEAS AND MY DIRECTION WOULD BE TO INCLUDE THOSE IN THE PRESENTATION TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

I AGREE WITH THAT. JUST GIVE GIVE THE THE COMMUNITY AS WE ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY ON THESE QUESTIONS, GIVE THEM A FULL RANGE OF OPTIONS.

ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AS COUNCILMEMBER MAYOR PRO TEM BECK SAID, IT'S NOT OUR PERSONAL PREFERENCES, IT'S THE COMMUNITY.

REAL QUICKLY, BECAUSE I'D BE REMISS IF I DON'T MENTION THIS, WE REFER TO THE BUILDING IN QUAKERTOWN PARK AS THE WOMEN WOMAN'S CLUB BUILDING.

THERE'S AN ORGANIZATION CALLED THE THE DENTON CITY FEDERATION OF WOMEN'S CLUBS.

THE CLUBS MULTIPLE HAVE MEMBERS, LIKE I SAID, THAT ARE VERY ENGAGED.

THERE IS NO SUCH ENTITY AS THE DENTON WOMEN'S CLUB.

THAT IS THE BUILDING.

THERE'S ANOTHER GROUP THAT IS A SERIES OF CLUBS.

SO AS PEOPLE GO OUT AND ATTEMPT TO ENGAGE WITH THESE FOLKS AND TALK WITH THEM ABOUT THAT, HAVE THOSE WIDER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT, KNOW THAT THERE'S DIFFERENT ENTITIES AT PLAY, THERE'S NO DENTON WOMEN'S CLUB.

ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCILWOMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I DO THINK I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, COUNCILOR DAVIS.

I THINK REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THERE'S A MEMORIAL OR ANY ACTIVITIES OR NOT, IF THE LEASE IS COMING DUE IN 2026, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE A FORWARD THINKING PLAN ABOUT WHAT OUR ATTITUDES ARE TOWARDS WHATEVER, WHETHER IT'S THE I THINK IT WAS $5 OR SOMETHING DE MINIMIS 100 YEARS AGO OR I DON'T REMEMBER.

IT WAS IT WAS BASICALLY NOTHING.

BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD DECIDE AS PART OF THESE FULL THROATED DISCUSSIONS GOING FORWARD FOR THE ENTIRE MASTER PLAN AND AND THE PARK.

WHAT WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE STATUS OF THE LEASE, WHETHER THAT'S ANOTHER $1 LEASE AGAIN OR WHATEVER OR SOMETHING ELSE? I THINK THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN OUR THOUGHTS.

SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WE BRING TO THE TABLE AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT.

COUNCILMAN MCGEE. I WANT TO ADD MY VOICE IN SUPPORT OF WHAT MR. MCGUIRE SAID ABOUT ABOUT MR. WATSON'S PLAN. CHRIS, I WAS VERY EXCITED TO HEAR THAT THAT THAT MADE ME ME LEAP FOR JOY, THAT YOU HAD THAT IDEA.

I LOVE THAT IDEA. I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY BE PRESENTED FOR THE COMMUNITY.

I WAS ALMOST EXCITED.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO GO TAKE THAT EXTRA STEP SINCE NO ONE ELSE IS.

AND THIS IS A BRAINSTORMING SESSION.

I'LL SAY IT. REPARATIONS IS OWED HERE.

AND AT SOME POINT, THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER THINK ABOUT PUTTING TOGETHER A COMMITTEE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD ACTUALLY DO THIS AND WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE THE FIRST CITY TO DO THIS.

THERE ARE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DONE THIS AND ARE DOING THIS RIGHT NOW, PUTTING IT OUT THERE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ANYONE ELSE? THEN I'LL JUST SAY I.

I LEAN TOWARDS SOMETHING INTERACTIVE FOR THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT.

I THINK THAT IS KEY.

I DON'T I MEAN, YEAH, I THINK ALL THINGS ON THE TABLE.

AND I THINK REALLY THE KEY COMPONENT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE TOUCHED AROUND IT, BUT ALSO WHERE WERE THE CITY B IN TWO YEARS, ETC.? AND SO IT'S IT'S WORSE.

CITY HALL, WHERE IS THIS? WHERE'S THAT? SO I THINK THAT'S THAT MASTER PLAN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF NOT LOOK AT THE FOOTPRINT CURRENTLY, BUT LOOK AT LOOKING FORWARD SO THAT IT'S IT IT BLENDS WELL WHEN IT ARRIVES.

I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND GOOD IDEAS, STILL RECEIVE SCRUTINY.

AND SO TO THAT POINT, I THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE HAVE EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN PRIORITIZE.

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I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ENTITIES THAT LEVERAGE THE PARK.

AND AND ALSO I'LL SAY THIS, I AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THIS RIGHT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET A HAVE A POP CARTER SITUATION.

THERE IS NO ONE IN THE PARK AT NIGHT.

AND THE AND AND THERE'S NO POLICING.

THERE'S NO NOTHING. SO PEOPLE IN IT'S SUPER DARK AND PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT UNDER THE COVER OF NIGHT AND TREES, ETC..

SO IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS MINDFUL OF THOSE THINGS, MINDFUL OF IT'S A PUBLIC PARK SO PEOPLE CAN COME SLEEP ON WHATEVER THEY WANT TO SLEEP ON DURING THE DAY, YOU KNOW? SO IT'S KIND OF NEAT TO TAKE ALL THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION AND MAKE SURE WE WE SET THIS UP WELL TO TO WHEN A ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KID OR CLASS COMES AND LEARNS THAT THEY IT'S A GREAT ENVIRONMENT FOR THEM TO LEARN.

SO LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.

I, I WANT TO SUPPORT THE IDEA OF WORKING WITH TEXAS WOMEN'S FOR THIS REASON.

ONE, I THINK WE'RE DOING, WE'RE HAVING TO DO IT FOR, FOR COST REASONS, FOR A LOT OF OTHER THINGS WE'RE PARTNERING.

YOU'RE SEEING AN INCREASE IN PARTNERSHIP AMONGST GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.

BUT THIS IS ALSO THE OTHER THING THAT'S INTERESTING TO ME FROM A HISTORICAL ASPECT.

IT WAS THAT THAT COLLEGE THAT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE BEING CLOSE TO IT.

SO HOW COOL IS THAT TO HAVE THAT MEMORIAL THERE AND ADD TO IT AND DRAW PEOPLE TO THIS PLACE THAT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE OR THEY WERE TRYING TO KEEP BLACK AND AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE AWAY FROM IT.

ALL OF A SUDDEN, THAT IS A GATHERING POINT FOR US TO KIND OF SAY THAT ALSO ADDS TO THAT MEMORY, REVERSES THAT KIND OF MINDSET AND I THINK ADDS VALUE AND HAS SOME HISTORICAL VALUE.

SO I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT, WHAT, HOW WE CAN PARTNER WITH THEM.

AND IF WE I MEAN, IF WE CAN COME IN AND BE A PART OF A $4 MILLION PROJECT, WELL, THAT'S FANTASTIC.

YOU KNOW, SO SUPPORT THAT.

OBVIOUSLY, HEARING OF THE REENACTMENT.

I MEAN, IN MY MIND, I SEE THAT.

I MEAN, IT JUST SETS UP WELL, RIGHT.

BECAUSE WE START AT THE SENIOR CENTER HERE AND GO TO THE SENIOR CENTER THERE.

RIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S YOU KNOW, SO I'D REALLY BE I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW THAT TAKES SHAPE.

IF IT TAKES SHAPE.

BUT BUT THAT'S EXCITING TO ME.

AND THEN JUST FROM A JUST FROM A DIRECTION STANDPOINT, ALSO, I'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING FROM THE TEMPORARY STANDPOINT THAT WE MAYBE TAP IN TO GARY STEELE AND THE TEXAS VETERANS HALL OF FAME'S FOLKS.

OBVIOUSLY, WE ALREADY HAS A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE MEDALLIONS IN THE CEMETERY.

AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH THEY THEY MAY WALK AWAY, BUT I LIKE THE TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE QR CODES.

SO WHEN YOU CAN GO SCAN THOSE QR CODES AND SEE THOSE, THEY HAVE A DATABASE AND THEY HAVE THOSE PEOPLE THAT SERVED AND YOU KIND OF GET THEIR HISTORY, THEIR BIOS.

SO HOW COOL WOULD THAT BE FROM A QUAKER TOWN STANDPOINT TO SEE OK, THIS IS FRED HILL OR THIS IS WHOMEVER, YOU KNOW, THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

SO THAT EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT AND THAT INTERACTIVE COMPONENT IS REALLY WHERE I'D LIKE TO LIKE TO SEE US GO.

BUT THEN I THINK TO INFORM THE DISCUSSION.

I MEAN, I LOOKED AT IT AS WELL EARLY AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.

I LOOKED AT IT AND I SAW THE COLORS.

BUT THERE'S FLOODWAY CONCERNS, RIGHT? I WOULD THINK THERE.

SO WE'VE GOT TO I NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO.

SO THERE'S AN EDUCATION COMPONENT, BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD INFORM WHAT WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO US, YOU KNOW, IS JUST KIND OF WHAT THOSE LIMITS ARE.

SO WOULD WANT TO KIND OF GET UP TO SPEED ON THOSE CONCERNS AND.

IN. I THINK THAT IS.

EVERYTHING THAT JUMPED OUT ON ME BASED ON THE THE THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD TODAY.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW.

WE'VE HAD A VERY GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION HERE.

AND WITH COUNSEL'S GUIDANCE, WE CAN START MOVING FORWARD ON THE TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, THE TEMPORARY PROJECT, CERTAINLY, AND THEN INVOLVING THE COMMUNITY ON THAT EFFORT AND ON THE EFFORTS AT A PERMANENT MEMORIAL WITHIN A MASTER PLANNING PROCESS.

THAT SORT OF SPEAKS TO SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT YOU JUST RAISED ABOUT MAKING SURE THE MEMORIAL IS SORT OF FUTURE PROOF AND WORKS WITH WHAT WE THINK WE WANT QUAKERTOWN PARK TO LOOK LIKE TODAY AND, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE.

ALL RIGHT, CITY MANAGER.

[01:50:01]

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC WORKS SESSIONS.

[A. Consultation with Attorneys - Under Texas Government Code Section 551.071. Consult with the City’s attorneys on the legal status, expenses, strategy and options for resolution of litigation in Case No. 05-20-00945-CV, styled “City of Denton, Appellant v. Michael Grim and Jim Maynard, Appellees,” pending in the Court of Appeals Fifth District of Texas at Dallas, on Appeal from the 68th Judicial District Court Dallas County, Texas, Trial Court Case No. DC-17-08139; where public discussion of these legal matters would conflict with the duty of the City’s attorneys to the City of Denton and the Denton City Council under the Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct of the State Bar of Texas, or otherwise compromise the City’s legal position in pending litigation.]

THEN WE'LL TAKE A BREAK TO SET THE ROOM.

SO WE'LL GO INTO CLOSED SESSION FOR CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551071.

CONSULT WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER THE UNDER THE LEGAL STATUS, EXPENSE STRATEGIES AND OPTIONS FOR RESOLUTION OF LITIGATION.

AND IT IS 351 WE'RE IN CLOSED SESSION AND WE'LL TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK.

WE'LL BE BACK AT LET'S CALL IT ROUND NUMBERS FOUR.

15. BE BACK FOR 15.

YEAH, RIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.