Sep 27, 2022 City Council on 2022-09-27 2:00 PM (Special Called Meeting)

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GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

TODAY IS TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 27TH, AND IT'S 2:01 P.M..

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO I CALL THE MEETING ORDER.

FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS QUESTIONS REGARDING THE CONSENT CONSENT AGENDA.

[2. Requests for clarification of agenda items listed on this agenda.]

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MY QUESTION IS ON WHY GULF COAST GUN BUSTERS? GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON.

SO MY QUESTION IS, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED THAT THERE'S NO COST TO THE CITY.

WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY CONTRACTING TO DO THEN? SURE. SO MICHAEL KESSLER, FORENSIC AND PUBLIC SAFETY MANAGER FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO GUN BUSTERS IS ESSENTIALLY A FREE SERVICE.

WHAT THEY DO IS THEY WILL TAKE THE THE FIREARMS. THEY'LL ACTUALLY TAKE A GOOD NUMBER OF THINGS FROM US.

AND THEY GET PROCEEDS THROUGH THE SCRAP METAL AND SOME PARTS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO SALVAGE FROM THOSE.

SO THERE'S NO FEE FOR THAT SERVICE.

AND THEY DO MEET ALL THE ATF GUIDELINES IN THAT DESTRUCTION OF THE FIREARM ITSELF.

AND SO, I MEAN, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO EXPLAIN THEIR THEIR BUSINESS MODEL PRECISELY, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE REASON THEY'RE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THESE KINDS OF RELATIONSHIPS IS THEY'RE MAKING USE OF THE SCRAP PRODUCT FOR THEIR BUSINESS.

CORRECT. VERY SIMILAR TO SCRAP METAL, EXCEPT WE HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIALIZED VENDOR FOR THAT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE ATF REGULATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. ALL RIGHT.

THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN BURT. THIS IS FOR F ADI.

221832. MY QUESTION IS IT SAYS APPROVING THE MEET AND CONFER AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON AND POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION AND PROVIDING EFFECTIVE DATE.

MY QUESTION IS THIS AGREEMENT? IS THERE A PLACE THIS AGREEMENT COULD BE FOUND AND SEEN IN RED SOMEWHERE? GOOD AFTERNOON. FRANK DIXON, CHIEF OF POLICE THERE IS GOING TO.

IT'S GOING TO BE POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

OKAY. SO IT'S THERE NOW.

THE OLD AGREEMENT. WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT.

OKAY. SO IT CAN BE SEEN.

ALSO, IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION WAS I KNOW UNDERSTAND THAT THE DETROIT POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS TWO ASSOCIATIONS.

THEY DO, BUT ONLY THAT DENTON POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION IS RECOGNIZED AS A BARGAINING AGENT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

OK AND WHAT DOES BARGAINING BARGAINING AGENT MEAN? IT MEANS THAT THEY'RE THE ONLY ASSOCIATION THAT CAN GO INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.

OKAY. SO IS THERE NOT GOING TO BE AN AGREEMENT WITH OF SOME SORT WITH THE OTHER AGENCY? WITH THE ASSOCIATION? IS THERE IS THERE ANY ANY KIND OF AGREEMENT OR ANY KIND OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR THE OTHER? WHAT IS THE OTHER ASSOCIATION? WHAT ARE THEY WHAT ARE THEY ARE ALL ABOUT? SO THE DPO IS THE BARGAINING AGENT FOR ALL OF THE POLICE OFFICERS REPRESENTED FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO EVERYTHING THAT THEY GET, THE ENTIRE POLICE DEPARTMENT GETS ALL OF THE SWORN OFFICERS.

SO THERE'S NO CUTTING OUT ANYONE THAT'S NOT A MEMBER OF IT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CNN COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE.

NO QUESTION, BUT I NEED TO PULL AG FOR RECUSAL.

DO YOU NEED A PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING? NO PRESENTATION.

IT. OK.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding the One Water Master Plan Overview. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

TAKES US TO OUR WORK SESSION.

FIRST WORK SESSION ITEM, WHICH IS ID 221164.

RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE ONE WATER MASTER PLAN OVERVIEW.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR.

GOOD AFTERNOON. COUNCILMEMBERS AND EVERYONE ELSE.

CITY OFFICIALS, FOR SURE.

MY NAME IS VAL DUNBAR, AND I'M THE WATER UTILITIES ASSET MANAGEMENT AND VERTICAL INFRASTRUCTURE DIVISION MANAGER.

THAT'S A MOUTHFUL, RIGHT? WITH ME TODAY, I HAVE STEVEN GAY, AND WE ARE PRESENTING ON THE ONE WATER MASTER PLAN.

OUR AGENDA TODAY IS BROKEN INTO TWO PARTS.

I WILL BE TALKING FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE HAVE THE WATER SYSTEM.

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TALK ABOUT THE COMPONENT OF WHAT GOES INTO A ONE WATER MASTER PLAN AND THEN WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT THE NEXT STEPS? OUR WATER SUPPLY IS SUPPORTED BY TWO MAJOR LAKES, SO LAKE RAY ROBERT AND LAKE LEWISVILLE.

IN TERMS OF RICE, WE HAVE 19.76 MGD OF FIRM YIELD.

TEXTBOOK DEFINITION OF FIRM YIELD IS THE ACTUAL IS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF WATER THAT CAN BE DELIVERED AND THAT IS GUARANTEED AT THE WORST DROUGHT.

SO WE HAVE 19.76 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY AT LAKE RAY ROBERTS AND WE HAVE 4.34 MGD AT LAKE LEWISVILLE.

NOW WHEN WHEN THE LEVEL WITHIN THE LAKE IS ABOVE THE CONSERVATION POOL, SO THE CONSERVATION POOL IS DEDICATED TO STORAGE.

SO WHEN WE ARE ABOVE THAT LEVEL, WE HAVE 185 MGD, 185.6 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY AT LAKE ROBERTS AND THEN AT LAKE LEWISVILLE, WE HAVE 93.4 MGD PER DAY.

ALL RIGHT, SO IF WE TAKE THOSE NUMBERS AND WE CONVERT THEM TO A YEARLY AMOUNT, WE'RE LOOKING AT A RANGE BETWEEN 8.8 BILLION GALLONS PER YEAR, ALL THE WAY TO 102 BILLION GALLONS PER YEAR.

WE TREAT OUR WATER AT TWO FACILITIES HERE.

SO COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE, WHO RECEIVED A FEW TOURS RECENTLY, SO LAKE LEWISVILLE WATER TREATMENT PLANT IS LOCATED OFF OF SPENCER ROAD.

IT IT WAS BUILT IN 1957 AND STARTED OUT AS A FOUR MGD PLANT AND NOW IT'S AT 30 MGD RIGHT NOW.

THERE ARE NO PLAN EXPANSION FOR THAT PLANT, SO IT IS COMPLETELY BUILT OUT.

LAKE RAY ROBERTS, ON THE OTHER HAND, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY FOR SURE.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE TO THE PICTURE ON YOUR LEFT, THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM THERE TO GROW.

SO IT WAS BUILT IN 2003.

IT'S RATED AT 20 MGD.

AND AND THERE ARE PLANNED EXPANSIONS ALL THE WAY TO 100 MGD.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL TO TREAT WATER AND TO GROW.

THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE TALKS ABOUT SAFETY.

RIGHT. SO IS OUR WATER SAFE? AND I THINK WITH SAFETY GOES HAND IN HAND WITH ACCOUNTABILITY.

SO WE HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO TCU.

FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE NO NEGOTIATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE LIMITS, THOSE PH LIMITS, THOSE DO BODY THOSE LEVELS.

SO FOR SURE, WE HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THEM.

WE ALSO TREAT OUR WATER WITH OZONE TO REDUCE PATHOGENS AND IMPROVE THE TASTE.

OUR OUR ANNUAL WATER QUALITY REPORT SHOWS THAT DENTON IS WELL WITHIN THE RANGE TO MEET THE STANDARDS.

WE ARE ALSO PARTNERS.

WELL, WE WE ARE ALSO INVOLVED WITH THE ADA WWA PARTNERSHIP FOR SAFE DRINKING WATER, WHICH IS THAT PARTNERSHIP IS MADE OUT OF SIX MAJOR ORGANIZATIONS, THE EPA, TO NAME A FEW, THE WATER RESEARCH FOUNDATION AND WHAT THAT INVOLVEMENT DOES.

IT GIVES US PROCESSES, TOOLS IN ORDER TO OPTIMIZE THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM AS WELL AS THE WATER TREATMENT SYSTEMS. WE'VE WON A COUPLE OF PRIZES.

SO IN TERMS OF TASTE, SO WE'VE WON IN 2008, 2013, IN 2018.

WHERE DOES IT ALL GO AND HOW AND HOW AND HOW DO WE GET IT THERE? SO IN TERMS OF WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, WE HAVE TO THINK FIRST OF THE SIZE OF THE CITY.

SO THE CITY ACTUALLY MEASURES 98 SQUARE MILE, BUT OUR CDN ACTUALLY COVERS 143 SQUARE MILE.

CN IS A CERTIFICATE OF CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY.

SO THE AREA OF SERVICE IS LARGER THAN THIS, THE ACTUAL CITY LIMITS IN TERMS OF WATER, WE HAVE ABOUT 645 MILES OF WATER MAINS, INCLUDING BOOSTER PUMP STATIONS, STORAGE FACILITIES, HYDRANTS, VALVES AND SO ON.

ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CITY IS THE SAME SIZE TOO.

BUT THE CCN COVERS 159 SQUARE MILES.

WE ARE THE REGIONAL PROVIDER FOR ARGYLE CRUMB LAKE CITIES IN CORINTH.

THE AMOUNT OF PIPE, AS YOU CAN SEE AGAIN, IS PRETTY LARGE.

IT'S 554 MILES OF SEWER MAIN.

THAT'S A LOT OF PIPE, Y'ALL.

IT ALSO INCLUDES LIFT STATIONS AND ARVS, FOR SURE.

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THAT PLANT IS RATED AT 21 MGD IN THE SAME WAY HERE.

WE HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO TC.

SO WE TREAT THE WATER AND WE RETURN THE WATER TO THEIR ENVIRONMENT SAFELY PER OUR TC PERMIT ON THIS SIDE, JUST SIMILAR AS ON THE WATER SIDE, WE WE HAVE A PARTNERSHIP INVOLVEMENT AS WELL FOR THE WW, A PARTNERSHIP FOR CLEAN DRINKING WATER.

SO IT'S IT IS IT IS THE SAME PROCESS.

SO THAT PARTNERSHIP MAKES US ACCOUNTABLE AND WE IT PROVIDES TOOLS AND PROCESSES TO OPTIMIZE THE SYSTEM IN TERMS OF OUR BIOSOLIDS. WE DISPOSE THEM THROUGH OUR DYNO DIRT PROGRAM AND THAT THOSE SALES ARE TRAINING FOR SURE.

WE ARE RECOVERING THE COST OF THAT PROGRAM.

AND LASTLY, WE ARE SEEING SOME GROWTH FOR SURE.

WE ALSO HAVE A RECLAIMED WATER SYSTEM.

THE CITY OF DENTON HAS BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF THE RECLAIM WATER SYSTEM FOR A LONG TIME, SINCE 1971, WITH THE DMN STEAM PLANT POWER PLANT.

THE SYSTEM EXTENDED EXPANDED IN 2002, AND CURRENTLY WE HAVE ABOUT 11 USERS AND THE OAKMONT GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS A PRETTY NICE GOLF COURSE, HAS ABOUT USES ABOUT 10 MILLION GALLONS PER MONTH.

OUR OUR CURRENT SYSTEM, OUR CURRENT PERMIT ALLOWS US ACCESS TO 12.5 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY FOR RECLAIMED WATER USE.

SO FOR SURE, RECLAIMED WATER IS PART OF THE TOOLBOX, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING BY INCREASING OUR PORTFOLIO OF WATER.

LASTLY, JUST TO GET SOME THINGS INTO PERSPECTIVE, OUR WATER WASTEWATER AND RECLAIM WATER SYSTEM HAS A COST AND A POTENTIAL COST OF, WELL, AN ESTIMATED COST AT $4 BILLION IN TERMS OF REPLACEMENT COSTS.

SO THAT DOVETAILS PERFECTLY INTO THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, WHICH STEVEN WILL BRIEF YOU ON, ON THE PURPOSE OF A ONE WATER MASTER PLAN.

THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

STEVEN GAY, DIRECTOR OF WATER UTILITIES.

$4 BILLION. THAT'S WHAT TO BE, RIGHT? THAT'S A PRETTY BIG NUMBER.

FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO EXTEND AN INVITATION TO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME OUT AND TOUR ANY OF OUR FACILITIES, WE'D LOVE TO HOST YOU AND SHOW YOU WHAT WE DO DAY TO DAY AND HOW WE TREAT THE WATER AND WE RESPONSIBLY DELIVER IT BACK TO THE ENVIRONMENT.

SO VAL DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING TO YOU WHAT WE CURRENTLY OWN, BUT WHAT DO WE HOW DO WE TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE OWN AND HOW DO WE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE GROWTH? THAT'S WHERE THE MASTER PLANNING EFFORT COMES INTO PLAY.

SO WE'VE ALL HEARD ABOUT MASTER PLANS, WATER MASTER PLANS, WASTEWATER MASTER PLANS, MOBILITY PLANS, ALL THOSE PLANS, RIGHT? THEY HELP US IDENTIFY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE IN PLACE WHEN GROWTH ACTUALLY HAPPENS, OR HOW DO WE ACTUALLY TAKE CARE OF THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE IN PLACE.

SO WE THOUGHT WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE MASTER PLANNING EFFORT FOR OUR WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN, WE'D BE REALLY COOL.

AND WE DEVELOPED THIS THING CALLED THE ONE WATER MASTER PLAN.

SO WE'D BUNDLE ALL THESE PLANS INTO ONE PLAN BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY BUILD OFF OF ONE ANOTHER.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH WATER ARE YOU GOING TO USE, YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN PLACE.

YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW MUCH WATER RESOURCES YOU HAVE TO HAVE AVAILABLE.

YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW MUCH TREATMENT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AVAILABLE.

SO WE THOUGHT, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO BE REALLY COOL AND INNOVATIVE.

WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH THIS TERM ONE WATER MASTER PLANNING AND THE WATER RESEARCH FOUNDATION.

THEY BEAT US TO THE PUNCH AND THEY HAVE THIS PRINCIPLE CALLED THE ONE WATER MASTER PLANNING PRINCIPLE.

AND FROM THEIR DEFINITION IT INTEGRATES ONE WATER MASTER PLANNING PRINCIPLE, INTEGRATES PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTATION, APPROACHES.

IT HELPS TO MANAGE A FINITE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES BOTH BOTH FISCAL RESOURCES, WATER RESOURCES AND INFRASTRUCTURE, AND TO ENSURE ITS RELIABILITY, ITS LONG TERM RESILIENCE AND RELIABILITY.

AND THEN IT EXTENDS OUR WATER, ACTUAL WATER RESOURCES OR PROTECTS THE WATER RESOURCES.

SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT PLAYING THIS BODY RECENTLY OR THIS YEAR, YOU PROVE THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, WELL, THAT'S KIND OF THAT'S THE ROADMAP FOR US IN WATER UTILITIES.

YOU DEFINED WHAT TYPE OF LAND USE YOU WANT.

WE LOOK AT THE GROWTH AND WE WE IDENTIFY WHAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT WHERE AND WHAT KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE ARE WE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE IN PLACE BEFORE IT'S ACTUALLY BUILT.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE IT HELPS US DEFINE WHAT TYPE OF CAPACITY WE HAVE WE NEED.

AND AGAIN, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, WHETHER IT'S IMPROVING AN EXISTING FACILITY OR IT'S BUILDING A NEW FACILITY.

SO YEAH, THAT WAS THAT ONE.

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SO AGAIN, WHAT WATER SUPPLY ARE WE GOING TO NEED? YOU SAW THAT SLIDE THAT VAL PUT UP THERE THAT TALKED ABOUT OUR FIRM YIELD AND OUR SPILLING YIELD.

THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO NUMBERS.

OUR WATER SUPPLY CURRENTLY IS REALLY TIED UP IN THOSE TWO RESERVOIRS.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS ONE WATER MASTER PLAN IS GOING TO DO IS IT'S GOING TO LOOK AT THAT WATER PORTFOLIO.

IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DIVERSIFY THAT PORTFOLIO, BUILD DIFFERENT BUCKETS THAT WE CAN PULL FROM AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR? SO WHAT I LIKE TO SAY, BUILD A MORE CLIENT, RESILIENT WATER SUPPLY PLAN, WATER TREATMENT AND DISTRIBUTION.

WHAT TYPE OF TREATMENT ARE WE GOING TO NEED AND WHAT TYPE OF DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS ARE WE IN NEED? WHAT TYPE OF COLLECTION SYSTEMS ARE WE GOING TO NEED? THIS ONE WATER MASTER PLAN IS GOING TO LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

AND THEN I THINK AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THAT WATER RESOURCE PORTFOLIO IS OUR RECLAIMED WATER.

HOW WE USING IT. CURRENTLY WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE 12.5 MGD, BUT WE USE A FRACTION OF IT.

SO IS THERE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LOOK AT WHERE THE SYSTEM IS CURRENTLY BUILT? CAN WE BRING A DIFFERENT USER ON? WE CAN RELIEVE THE STRAIN OFF OF OUR POTABLE SYSTEM AND PUT THEM ON A RECLAIMED SYSTEM.

SO THESE ARE THE COMPONENTS OF THE ONE WATER MASTER PLAN.

I'M JUST I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH EACH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM.

I BELIEVE THEY'RE ALL IN YOUR PACKET.

BUT I DO WANT TO TO HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU THAT THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN, YOU'LL BE GETTING AN UPDATE ON THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN ON OCTOBER 18TH.

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT PROCESS.

WHEN WE'RE FINISHED, WE'RE USING THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED.

FROM THAT, WE'RE FOLDING THAT INTO THE ONE WATER MASTER PLAN TO HELP INFORM THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE PLAN.

AND THEN SO. SO WHY DOES IT MATTER? AND WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS? WELL, YOU KNOW, IT HELPS US CREATE AN INFORMED CAPITAL AND A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, A LIST OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, AND WHETHER THAT BE FOR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE OR NEW INFRASTRUCTURE AND LEVERAGING INFORMATION THAT WE COLLECT FROM OUR ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT CONSEQUENCE OF FAILURE, WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABILITY OF FAILURE, AND WE'RE FOLDING THAT INTO THE ASSETS THAT WE ALREADY OWN.

AND WE'RE LOOKING TO THE FUTURE FOR ASSETS THAT WE NEED TO BUILD.

AND WE BUILDS A LONG TERM FUNDING STRATEGY.

SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT FINANCIAL EXPOSURE IS GOING TO BE AND WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE SO WE CAN PREPARE FOR THAT.

SO THE NEXT THING THAT YOU'LL SEE IN FRONT OF YOU WILL BE THE ONE WATER MASTER PLAN ON OCTOBER 18TH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND HOPEFULLY FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

AND THEN WITH THAT, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU FOR. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. STEPHEN, EVERYBODY IN YOUR DEPARTMENT AND THE FACILITIES DEPARTMENT, REALLY FANTASTIC.

I'M GOING TO BORROW THE WORD THE HOLISTIC VIEW.

RIGHT. LOOKING AT THE.

BECKY JUST SMILED THAT SHE DID.

I WAS HOPING FOR THAT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, THAT THAT'S GOING TO COME TO US AS A HOLISTIC PICTURE OF OUR NEEDS.

FIRST QUESTION IS, IF WE'RE GOING TO SEE IT ON THE 18TH OF OCTOBER, WHEN DOES THE PUBLIC GET A FULL LOOK AT THE THE DRAFT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN FRONT OF US? OKAY. SO THE THE UPDATE YOU'RE GOING TO GET, YOU'LL GET AN UPDATE ON THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN.

SO THE MASTER PLAN IS NOT FINISHED.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THAT SNAPSHOT.

WHAT ARE WE SEEING WITH THE DATA AND WHAT IS IT TELLING US? SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A FINAL REPORT AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PUBLISHED YET.

THE ONE WATER MASTER PLAN, WE'RE BRINGING IT TO YOU FOR YOUR APPROVAL SO WE CAN LAUNCH THE PROJECT AND WE CAN INITIATE THE PLANNING PROCESS.

OKAY, GOOD DEAL. SECOND QUESTION OF THREE.

TO WHAT EXTENT WILL THIS KIND OF HOLISTIC LOOK TAKE INTO ACCOUNT CONSERVATION MEASURES AND THINGS THAT EITHER AS THE CITY, YOU KNOW, A BIG USER OF WATER WE CAN DO TO CONSERVE WATER, BUT THEN ALSO CODE REVISIONS AND ENCOURAGING ZERO ESCAPING ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT WE CAN DO TO CONSERVE THE WATER THAT WE'RE EVENTUALLY TREATING AND PUTTING OUT THERE.

YES, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, COUNCILOR DAVIS.

IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE PILLARS OF THE ONE WATER MASTER PLANNING IS A DROUGHT MANAGEMENT AND CONSERVATION PLAN.

SO WE'RE REQUIRED BY TCU TO HAVE A DROUGHT MANAGEMENT AND CONSERVATION PLAN AND WE HAVE ONE THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE REGULATIONS, BUT IT COULD BE MORE ROBUST AND WE COULD BE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO CONSERVE, TO ENCOURAGE CONSERVATION.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE ONE WATER, THAT COMPONENT OF THE ONE WATER MASTER PLAN IS REALLY GOING TO HONE IN ON AND COME FORWARD WITH SOME REALLY ROBUST RECOMMENDATIONS.

I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE THE ANSWER.

AND THE ONLY THING THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THAT CONCERNS MAYBE A STRONG WORD, BUT THE THING THAT I'M LOOKING OUT FOR WHEN WE SEE THAT AS A PILLAR IS.

IS THAT A WORST CASE SCENARIO? HERE'S WHAT WE DO IN CASE OF FIRE BREAK GLASS.

HERE'S WHAT WE DO.

WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE.

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THAT'S THE IN CASE OF EMERGENCY BREAK GLASS.

AND THESE ARE YOUR TRIGGERS.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, AND THIS IS HOW YOU COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE COMMUNITY.

THIS CONSERVATION DROUGHT MANAGEMENT PLAN IS GOING TO BRING FORWARD IDEAS LIKE TURF REPLACEMENT PROGRAMS, LOW FLOW FIXTURES, HOW DO WE ADVOCATE FOR CONSERVATION? HOW DO WE HOW DO WE LOOK AT OUR EXISTING POLICIES WITH REGARDS TO WATERING DURING THE SUMMER SEASON? ARE WE RIGHT NOW OUR CURRENT POLICY IS YOU CAN WATER BETWEEN THESE CERTAIN HOURS AND ANY DAY OF THE WEEK THAT YOU CHOOSE, IT'S GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION, IS IT GOING TO BE MORE PRUDENT FOR US TO FOLLOW THE LEAD OF SOME OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AND HAVE SOME CONSERVATION ALREADY BUILT INTO THOSE WATERING SCHEDULES? THANK YOU. LAST QUESTION.

THERE'S ONE KIND OF WATER I DON'T SEE IN THE ONE WATER PLAN, AT LEAST NOT IN THE WAY THAT I'D HOPED TO.

BUT STORMWATER AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE FOR SOME TIME NOW BEEN WORKING ON A STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.

IT'S MAYBE NOT. IT'S AN ENGINEERING FUNCTION, IT'S NOT A WATER TREATMENT FUNCTION OR UTILITY FUNCTION, BUT IT TIES IN, IN WATER QUALITY AND AND RUNOFF AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

THE WATER, THE STORMWATER THAT WE MANAGE AS IT COMES DOWN MAKES IT INTO OUR WATER SUPPLY OR WE THEN HAVE TO TREAT IT AND MONITOR IT FOR QUALITY IN THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

OUR EFFLUENT GOES INTO CREEKS AND CULVERTS AND THINGS THAT ALSO CARRY STORMWATER.

SO DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE ON A STORMWATER UPDATE OR A STORMWATER MASTER PLAN OR DOES YOUR PLAN DOVETAIL WITH THAT? AND IF SO, HOW? WELL, I CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN, BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE PARTNERING WITH ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AND SUSTAINABILITY, WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR WATERSHED PROTECTION PROGRAM, WHICH DOES EXACTLY THAT MONITORS THOSE FLOWS INTO OUR RESERVOIRS AND THEY WILL BE INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATION AS WE DEVELOP THE ONE WATER MASTER PLAN.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? WE'RE SAFE. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HIGHLIGHTED WAS THE RECLAIMED WATER PROCESS.

AND WE HAD I BELIEVE YOU SAID WE HAD A PERMIT FOR 12 MILLION GALLONS.

AND I SAW YOU HAD A MAJOR USER AT TEN.

WHAT IS OVERALL WHAT'S OUR CURRENT CAPACITY OF THE PERMIT? ARE WE 11, 12? WHERE ARE WE? WELL, THE PERMIT IS FOR 12.5 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

THAT'S WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DIVERT OR RECLAIM, OR WE'RE USING A FRACTION SO THAT THAT 10 MILLION GALLON USER, THAT'S PER MONTH, THAT'S WHAT THEY USE IN A MONTH.

IN A MONTH. YES, SIR.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S THE DISTINCTION.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE OPPORTUNITY LIES FOR US TO DIVERT MORE FLOWS OUT OF THAT THAT ALLOCATION.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WORKING WITH OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF THERE'S THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PICK UP A PARK ALONG THE WAY SO WE CAN CONVERT THEM FROM A TRADITIONAL IRRIGATION SYSTEM TO A RECLAIMED SYSTEM, WHICH WOULD THEN AGAIN RELIEVES THE STRESS ON OUR POTABLE WATER SUPPLY.

SO SO IN THAT REGARD, IT SEEMS LIKE FROM YOUR SLIDES AND CORRECT, CORRECT MY MISUNDERSTANDING, IF IT WAS WRONG THAT WE HAVE SORT OF PUNCTATE RECLAIMED WATER EFFORTS, ONE HERE, ONE HERE, ONE HERE, ONE HERE.

AND I KNOW THAT WE ARE UNLIKELY IN THE NEAR TERM TO DEVELOP A PARALLEL RECLAIMED WATER SYSTEM, ALTHOUGH THAT MIGHT BE IDEAL.

SO SO HOW DO WE BRIDGE THAT GAP FROM THESE PUNCTATE EFFORTS GOING FORWARD IN THE MASTER PLAN? I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME OF THIS, BUT CAN YOU GIVE US A TASTE FOR HOW WE BRIDGE THAT GAP FROM THESE PUNCTATE EFFORTS TO TO A SYSTEMIC RECLAIMED APPROACH? GREAT, GREAT QUESTION, COUNCILOR BECK.

SO THE WAY THAT WE WE BRIDGE THAT GAP IS WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE MASTER PLANNING EFFORT, WE LOOK AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE CURRENTLY BECAUSE WE HAVE WE HAVE A LINE THAT LITERALLY RUNS FROM OUR PECAN CREEK FACILITY UP TO THE SPENCER POWER PLANT AND THEN GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO CORINTH, TO THE OAKMONT GOLF COURSE.

WHAT OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE TO PICK UP SERVICES? AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE MASTER PLANNING EFFORT WHERE YOU LOOK AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE AND HOW CAN WE LEVERAGE IT TO THE FULLEST.

BEYOND THAT, WHAT WE DO IS WE LOOK AT FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THE HUNTER COAL THAT IS IS ON THE HORIZON.

IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY? WE DON'T KNOW YET, BUT IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SAY, HEY, IF WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL PART OF THAT PROJECT, A COLLECTION LINE FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT TO A TREATMENT FACILITY, COULD WE AT THE SAME TIME INSTALL A RECLAIM RIGHT AND BRING RECLAIMED WATER BACK DOWN? THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO EXPLORE AND HOPEFULLY ANSWER DURING THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS.

SO IF I MIGHT CONTINUE THAT JUST FOR A SECOND IN TO MAKE THE ANALOGY TO TO TELECOMMUNICATIONS.

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AND WE KNOW WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE.

SO WHERE THERE IS OPPORTUNITY, WE WILL LEVERAGE THAT.

BUT THAT'S IN THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS.

WE ACTUALLY EXPLORE THOSE QUESTIONS.

WE ACTUALLY WE, WE, WE TEST THEM AND WE, WE WORK WITH CITY MANAGEMENT OFFICE AND COUNCIL TO SEE IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER? BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE TO PUT DOLLARS AND CENTS TO THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE CONVERTING A USER FROM A POTABLE SYSTEM TO A RECLAIMED SYSTEM, WE HAVE TO INCENTIVIZE THEM SOMEHOW AS WELL.

SO ALL THOSE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ANSWERING WILL BE ANSWERED, I BELIEVE, THROUGH THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS.

I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU TODAY.

THAT'S AND THAT'S FAIR.

AND MY LAST QUESTION IS WE'VE HAD QUALITY STAFF WORKING ON OUR CONSERVATION EFFORTS FOR A WHILE.

YES. WHAT WHAT ARE WE DOING? OR MAYBE MAYBE THE BETTER QUESTION IS WHAT ARE WE NOT DOING NOW THAT WE ANTICIPATE MOVING INTO FOUR IN OUR MASTER PLAN? AND THAT'S WHERE THE PARTNERSHIP WITH SUSTAINABILITY, ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AND SUSTAINABILITY ARE GOING TO COME INTO PLAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN ARM THAT DEALS WITH CONSERVATION AND WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THEM TO SEE HOW WE CAN WE CAN DEVELOP MORE ROBUST PROGRAMS. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GETTING OUT IN FRONT OF IT.

WE'RE WE HAVE THE PLAN, WHICH IS, I THINK TO COUNCILOR DAVIS'S POINT IS IN CASE OF WHEN YOU HIT THIS TRIGGER, YOU BREAK THE GLASS.

AND THESE ARE THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT YOU FOLLOW.

WE WANT TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF IT.

NOW, I CAN SAY THAT OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AND SUSTAINABILITY TEAM ARE DOING THEY HAVE CONSERVATION AT THE AT THE ROOT OF WHAT THEY DO.

THEY PUT ON SEMINARS ON INSTALLING TEXAS FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING.

THEY TALK ABOUT RAIN BARRELS, THEY TALK ABOUT CONSERVATION.

THEY THEY WHEN WE WERE GETTING CLOSE TO REACHING ONE OF THOSE TRIGGERS, WE ENGAGE THEM AND THEY KIND OF GOT OUT ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN AND STARTED SHARING LITERATURE ABOUT HOW BEST TO CONSERVE WATER.

SO THEY'RE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB RIGHT NOW.

ALL THIS PLAN IS GOING TO DO IS IT'S GOING TO SAY, LET'S REFRESH IT.

LET'S MODERNIZE THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE TODAY.

IS THERE MORE WE CAN DO AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AND HOW DO WE PARTNER WITH ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AND SUSTAINABILITY TO ACTUALLY ACHIEVE THAT? DOES THAT I GUESS THAT ANSWER MY QUESTION.

I THINK I'M PROBABLY WHERE COUNCILOR DAVIS IS, IS WANTING A LITTLE BIT MORE.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE THE MASTER PLAN AS IT ROLLS OUT.

IT'S SORT OF HARD TO JUDGE WHERE WE ARE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT AT THE 50,000 FOOT VIEW, WE'RE AT 150,000.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT THE MASTER PLAN IS GOING TO DO.

IT'S GOING TO KIND OF BRING US DOWN A LITTLE BIT CLOSER SO WE CAN SEE THAT HIGHER RESOLUTION, WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCILOR MCGEE? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. IN PARTICULAR, I WANT TO KEEP KEYING ON THAT WASTEWATER TREATMENT SYSTEM SLIDE, TALKING ABOUT DYNO DIRT.

YOU NOTED IN THE PRESENTATION, IT SAYS ITS SALES ARE TRENDING UPWARD AND THAT YOU ANTICIPATE THE GROWTH OF THE PROGRAM.

WHAT DO YOU ATTRIBUTE TO THE NEED? AND D.A.R.E. CAN JUST TALK ABOUT DOWN THE OUR WITH YOU.

WELL IT'S IT'S IT'S WELL IT'S VERY VERY EFFECTIVE PRODUCT RIGHT SO WITH THE NUTRIENTS BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY THE BYPRODUCT OF OUR TREATMENT PROCESS.

SO IT'S A HIGH END NUTRIENTS AND IT'S A GREAT FERTILIZER.

WE TEST IT REGULARLY SO IT'S SAFE FOR CONSUMPTION, SAFE FOR USE, AND IT'S HIGHLY AFFORDABLE.

WE'RE VERY COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET.

SO YOU CAN GET NEARLY THE SAME PRODUCT AT HOME DEPOT OR LOWE'S FOR ALMOST TWICE AS MUCH AS WHAT WE'RE SELLING OUR D.A.

DIRT FOR. SO THE CONTRACTORS LIKE IT, HOMEOWNERS LIKE IT.

WE ACTUALLY GET HOMEOWNERS THAT PULL UP IN PICKUP TRUCKS AND SAY, FILL ME UP.

YOU KNOW, I'LL TAKE AS MUCH AS YOU'VE GOT GOT AVAILABLE.

SO IT'S A VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM.

AND IT'S IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE WAY FOR US TO DISPOSE OF THOSE BIOSOLIDS ALONG WITH THE SAFETY.

TALK ABOUT THE QUALITY OF IT.

QUALITY IS EXCELLENT, I'M ASSUMING.

IT'S HIGHLY, HIGHLY.

IT'S VERY HIGH QUALITY FERTILIZER IS WHAT I WOULD SAY.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCILOR MCGEE.

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SO WHEN THE LAKE GETS DOWN TO THAT LEVEL, THAT'S WHEN WE DIP INTO A CONSERVATION POOL.

OKAY, SO IF THE LAKE IS ABOVE THAT LEVEL, THEN WE'RE ALLOWED 185.6 MW ON LAKE ROBERTS AND SO FORTH AS THE THAT'S WHAT'S WRITTEN INTO OUR PERMANENT.

YES. AND RIGHT NOW, WHAT DOES THE CITY OF DENTON WHAT'S OUR WHAT'S OUR USAGE OUR USAGE ANNUALLY.

I WOULD STRUGGLE BUT I CAN TELL YOU DAILY BETWEEN THE MONTHS OF JUNE, JULY AND AUGUST, WE WERE AVERAGING ABOUT 38 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

OKAY. BUT THAT'S THAT'S A WINTER.

THAT'S A SUMMER DEMAND. SO PEOPLE ARE WATERING THEIR FILLING.

SO IT'S MUCH IT'S MUCH CYCLICAL.

DURING DURING THE WINTER TIME, OUR WINTER DEMANDS ARE ROUGHLY BETWEEN 15 AND 18, AND THAT'S OUR INDOOR USE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S MORE FOR TAKING SHOWERS, WASHING CLOTHES, DOING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, 25 TO 30 ON AVERAGE FOR THE WHOLE YEAR.

I WOULD SAY 25 IS A IS A REALLY GOOD NUMBER.

IT'S A SOLID NUMBER ON AVERAGE.

AND THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING IS SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WE CAN HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF LIKE WE'VE BEEN IN A PRETTY BIG DROUGHT.

BUT LIKE WHAT IS THE DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? NOT TODAY SPECIFICALLY, BUT DURING THE ASTRONOMY I WENT FISHING OUT OF LAKE RAY ROBERTS YESTERDAY.

ARE THERE A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO AND YOU COULD LITERALLY ALMOST WALK ACROSS AROUND THE WHOLE LAKE BECAUSE IT'S DOWN SO LOW THAT IT'S EXTENDING THE BEACHES OR THE ROCKY BEACHES? WHAT'S THE ELEVATION BEEN IN DURING THE HEIGHT OF OUR DROUGHT? DO YOU REMEMBER? DOES THAT HAVE ANY IDEA? I DON'T RECALL THE ELEVATION DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE DROUGHT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THROUGHOUT THE DROUGHT THIS YEAR, THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS REPORTED BOTH OF THOSE RESERVOIRS IS OPERATIONALLY FULL AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY SPILLING AT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.

SO THEY WOULD BE OVER THE CONSERVATION POOL MOST LIKELY IF THAT'S THE CASE.

YES. YES. COUNSELOR WATTS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, GOOD. SO EVEN WITH WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED IN THE LAST 30 DAYS, 60, 90 DAYS THINKING, I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN VERY LITTLE RAIN, EVERYTHING'S SCORCHED AS FAR AS OUR WATER AVAILABILITY IN THE TWO RESERVOIRS.

IT'S NOT BEEN AT A DRAMATIC KIND OF CONDITION LIKE THEY HAD BEEN OUT IN THE IN THE WEST.

THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT.

WE WE MONITOR THAT VERY CLOSELY.

WE GET A REPORT EVERY DAY ON WHAT OUR CONSUMPTION IS.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THOSE TRIGGERS THAT'S IN THE DROUGHT MANAGEMENT AND CONSERVATION PLAN.

WHEN WE REACH 85% OF OUR TREATMENT CAPACITY, THAT SETS IN MOTION CERTAIN CONSERVATION EFFORTS.

AND WE'VE GOTTEN CLOSE TO THAT THIS YEAR.

BUT WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T EXCEEDED IT.

AND FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, WHICH WITH REGARDS TO WATER AVAILABILITY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SEASON, THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS HAS BEEN SPILLING AT A SIGNIFICANT RATE.

SO THAT CONSERVATION POOL LEVEL, IT WOULD BE NICE IN THE IN THE PRESENTATION FOR THE MASTER PLAN, HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF WHEN AND IF THOSE LAKES EVER REALLY DROPPED BELOW THAT.

AND I THINK THE REASON IS, IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF IT'S ABOVE IT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS THAT 200 AND SOMETHING, 278 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, POTENTIAL CAPACITY.

IF THEY STAY ABOVE THAT, WHICH IS EIGHT, 7 TO 8 TIMES WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

SO WE'VE GOT A GOOD A GOOD BUFFER IN THERE FOR GROWTH UNLESS WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING THAT CONSERVATION POOL DROPPING BELOW THAT, THEN IT CUTS IT DOWN.

GOOD HEAVENS TO A 10TH OF THAT OR 20 TO 30% OF THAT.

YEAH, I THINK THAT DATA IS IMPORTANT.

JUST SO WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE HAVE WE BEEN HISTORICALLY AND HOW IS GROWTH IMPACTING OUR WATER USAGE IN THAT REGARD.

AND COUNCILOR WAS THAT'S A THAT'S A THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT.

BUT ONE OF THOSE COMPONENTS WHEN I TALK ABOUT DEVELOPING A I WOULD SAY CLIMATE RESILIENT WATER SUPPLY PORTFOLIO THAT'S LOOKING OUT, LOOKING BEYOND THESE TWO RESERVOIRS, WHAT CAN WE DO IS AS AN ORGANIZATION TO DEVELOP ADDITIONAL WATER RESOURCES, CAN WE WHEN WE BRING NEW TREATMENT FACILITIES ONLINE, CAN WE APPLY TO TCU TO GET ADDITIONAL RECLAIMED WATER RIGHTS? CAN WE LOOK AT EXPLORE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY? IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO ANY TYPE OF OFF CHANNEL STORAGE? IS THERE A OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND UPPER TRINITY TO DEVELOP A COMPLETELY NEW WATER RESOURCE TO BRING IT INTO OUR REGION? THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ANSWERING AND WE'RE GOING TO BE EXPLORING DURING THIS MASTER PLANNING PROCESS.

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HMM. FOUR YEARS IS THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WATER USAGE AND WATER CONSERVATION, OBVIOUSLY THE LARGEST USE OF WATER IS IRRIGATION. YES, SIR.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT 75 TO 80%.

ABSOLUTELY. SO I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT OUR CODE, OUR BUILDING CODES REQUIRE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS FOR ALMOST EVERY PROPERTY THAT'S BUILT.

MM HMM. AND I HOPE THAT AS WE CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION IN THE FUTURE, THAT THAT POLICY COULD BE LOOKED AT TO HELP UNDERSTAND. WHY IS THAT STILL A RATIONAL POLICY, GIVEN WHAT OUR GOAL IS FOR BOTH CONSERVATION AND EXPLORING ADDITIONAL WATER RESOURCES? BECAUSE WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT YOU CAN'T PUT ENOUGH WATER ON A LAWN IN THE LAST 60 DAYS TO KEEP IT GREEN.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST AND IT'S JUST IT JUST GOES NOWHERE.

IT GOES INTO THE GROUND.

SO I HOPE WE CAN I HOPE WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.

AND THIS RECLAIMED WATER SYSTEM.

MM HMM. I HOPE THE MASTER PLAN WILL ADDRESS BECAUSE I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM HAD A GOOD, GOOD COMMENT.

AND THAT IS I MEAN, I'M ON BONNIE BRAE, AND I WATCHED THEM DIG A HOLE FOR A 52 INCH WATER LINE.

YEP. HIT A LOT OF ROCK, HIT A LOT OF STUFF.

AND IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO HEAR AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE IN LINE IN THE NEXT FIVE OR TEN YEARS.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A HOLE OPENED THAT COSTS SO MUCH MONEY TO GET IT OPEN, YOU KNOW HOW HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL COST IS THERE TO PUT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MAY NOT BE USED CURRENTLY? BECAUSE THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS RECLAIMED WATER SYSTEM IS VERY SMALL IN THE SENSE OF ITS PIPE EDGE, THE LENGTH OF PIPE EDGE.

AND SO HOW DO WE DO THAT? AND SO IS THE RECLAIMED WATER, THE GRAY WATER THAT WE WOULD EVENTUALLY DUMP INTO THE STREAM.

THE AFFLUENT THAT COMES OUT OF OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS THERE.

WHAT PHASE IS THAT WATER THEN SIPHONED OFF IN THE TREATMENT PROCESS.

SO WE THE.

SO TWO QUESTIONS.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE FIRST ONE ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO INSTALL ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE ALWAYS EVALUATE THAT.

THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT CAPITAL PROJECTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT MAJOR HORIZONTAL CONSTRUCTION.

IS THERE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO INSTALL ADDITIONAL ASSETS THAT MAKES THAT MAKE SENSE AT THE TIME? SO WE ALWAYS DO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

YOUR NEXT QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE WHAT IS THE RECLAIMED WATER? WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY THE THE EFFLUENT STREAM FROM PECAN CREEK.

SO WHAT WE DO IS WE DIVERT A PORTION OF THE FLOW AND IT GOES THROUGH AN ADDITIONAL TREATMENT PROCESS SO THAT WE ADDITIONAL DISINFECTION AND FILTRATION TO GET OUT THE SUSPENDED SOLIDS.

SO IT'S LITERALLY RIGHT AT THE PECAN CREEK SITE.

IT'S THE SAME FACILITY.

WELL, IT'S A DIFFERENT IT'S A IT'S AN EXTENSION OF THAT FACILITY, BUT IT'S THE SAME LOCATION.

SO WE DIVERT A PORTION OF THE FLOW THAT WOULD BE GOING INTO LAKE LEWISVILLE, AND THAT GOES OVER TO THE RECLAIMED FACILITY AND WE POLISH THE EFFLUENT AND THAT BECOMES OUR RECLAIMED WATER. BUT THAT ANOTHER THING THAT YOU MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF IS A PORTION OF THE RECLAIMED WATER THAT DOES GO INTO THE LAKE.

WE CAN RESELL THAT AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE THE FIRST AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE SELL TO UPPER TRINITY AS PART OF OUR OUR RAW WATER CONTRACT WITH THEM. I GUESS IN THE FUTURE, AS YOU SAID, THAT WHENEVER YOU HAVE A BIG WATER PROJECT THAT THERE'S THE ECONOMIC EVALUATION OF CAN WE PUT AN INFRASTRUCTURE IN THERE? I COULD BE WRONG.

SO YOU CORRECT ME IF I AM.

I DON'T RECALL WHEN WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WATER PROJECTS THAT THAT HAS BEEN A COMPONENT OF THE DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL FROM THE STANDPOINT OF CAPITAL PROJECTS OF, HEY, WE EVALUATED THIS, THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS.

WE'VE DECIDED NOT TO DO IT.

AND SO AM I WRONG? I DON'T YOU'RE NOT WRONG, COUNSELOR.

YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT WRONG. I WOULD SAY THAT HISTORICALLY, YOU MAY NOT HAVE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS, BUT NOW WE'RE STARTING TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

WE'RE RECOGNIZING THE ASSET WE HAVE OR WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW LEADERSHIP IN THE DEPARTMENT AND IN THE ORGANIZATION, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS THROUGH A DIFFERENT LENS.

YEAH, BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE UNIVERSITY LEADERS AND THEY'RE USING POTABLE WATER TO WATER ALL THEIR ALL THEIR THINGS, ALL THE GOLF COURSES, THE I MEAN, ON THERE CHILLING TOWERS OR COOLING TOWERS.

THAT'S A THAT'S AN AUTHORIZED USE THROUGH TCU FOR FOR RECLAIMED WATER.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE SPENCER POWER PLANT IS UP FOR.

OKAY, GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMES FROM MAGUIRE, FROM MCGEE.

JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.

SO YOU MENTIONED THAT THAT THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN BELOW THE CONSERVATION POOL ELEVATIONS WITH LAKE RAY ROBERTS AND LAKE

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AND I THINK THAT I'M SEEING AM I MISINTERPRETING WHAT NORMAL ELEVATION IS? IS NORMAL ELEVATION THE SAME AS CONSERVATION? IT'S NOT THE SAME.

THE NORMAL ELEVATION IS NOT THE SAME AS THE ELEVATION.

AND WE WE RELY ON THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS TO TELL US WHEN WE'RE OPERATIONALLY FULL AND WHEN WE'RE NEARING THE CONSERVATION POOL.

SO, YEAH, SO YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT JUST LIKE LOOKING AT WHAT THE ELEVATION IS, YOU'RE YOU'RE RECEIVING DIRECTION FROM THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS, RIGHT.

AND THAT THAT ELEVATION THAT I REFERRED TO WITH THE COUNSELOR, WHAT'S THAT'S ACTUALLY IN OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, BECAUSE WE SHARE THE ASSET IN OUR OPERATIONAL AGREEMENT. AND THAT'S WHEN WE START HAVING CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND US AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE OUR RESOURCES.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION, COUNCILOR MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO GIVE MR. WATTS FLOWERS.

YOU AND I HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT PERHAPS THE CODE NEEDING TO CHANGE WITH RESPECT TO OUTDOOR IRRIGATION.

I APPRECIATE YOU RAISING THAT IN FRONT OF US, BECAUSE IT'S ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT WE ARE.

WE NEED TO START HAVING THAT CONVERSATION IN ORDER TO BE FORWARD THINKING.

SO THANK YOU FOR RAISING THAT.

I'LL JUST NOTE THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD A ONE WATER MASTER PLAN BEFORE.

SO WHAT I AM PARTICULARLY EXCITED ABOUT, AND I TOLD YOU THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND AT RAY ROBERTS SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT MAKING LEWISVILLE MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT, DOING SOME SOME THINGS SINCE LEWISVILLE IS BUILT OUT, MAYBE DOING SOME THINGS TO HELP OPERATIONALLY OPERATE IN A MORE EFFICIENT WAY.

SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO FROM, WHAT IS IT, 30 TO 100 POSSIBLY, YEAH.

CURRENTLY, RAY ROBERTS IS AT 20 MGD AND THE NEXT EXPANSION WILL TAKE IT TO 30 MGD.

BUT OUR BUILD OUT IS AT 100 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY EXCITING GIVEN THAT YOU WILL HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO SO MANY MORE THINGS AND LOOKING AT DIVERSIFICATION AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE CONSERVATION POOL, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING, CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL.

AND AS THERE IS LESS WATER AVAILABLE FOR US HERE IN NORTH TEXAS, THIS PLANT IS GOING TO HOPEFULLY HAVE HAVE SOME DIVERSIFICATION IN IT SO THAT OUR RATEPAYERS AND RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES WON'T FEEL THE IMPACT.

SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

SO THANK YOU AND YOUR AND YOUR TEAM FOR ALL THE WORK.

THANK YOU. KATHERINE DAVIS THANK, MR. MAYOR. I'LL BE PRETTY BRIEF.

THERE WE GO. I'LL BE PRETTY BRIEF.

AND MARY NOT WANT A RESPONSE, BUT JUST TO KIND OF PUT A PIN IN SOMETHING ELSE ON RECLAIMED WATER.

YOU MENTIONED INCENTIVES, AND ONE OF THE LARGEST INCENTIVES, OBVIOUSLY, IS RUNNING A PIPE TO YOUR FACILITY.

IF YOU'VE GOT A LARGE LAWN OR YOU'RE A BIG INDUSTRIAL WATER BUYER AND OR RATEPAYER AND YOU HAVE A LARGE FACILITY RUN IN A PURPLE PIPE IS IS VERY EXPENSIVE. BUT THEN ANOTHER PART OF THAT, OF COURSE, IS TAPPING METER AND IMPACT FEES.

I'D LIKE US TO CONSIDER AND THIS MAY REQUIRE AN LZR ON THE FEASIBILITY, BUT I'D LIKE US TO CONSIDER WAIVING CERTAIN OF THOSE FEES WE CONSTANTLY HAVE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THOSE FEES AND WE SET THEM, WE HAVE THAT COST OF SERVICE VERSUS SUBSIDY CONVERSATION AND IT'S USUALLY VERY ROBUST.

THERE IS A POLICY REASON TO INCENTIVIZE EVEN TO THE POINT OF WAIVING ALL OR SOME OF THAT THOSE IMPACT FEES.

STILL GOT TO RUN YOUR PIPE, BUT MAYBE WE DON'T CHARGE YOU AS MUCH OR AT ALL FOR THE TAP METER AND IMPACT FEES.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

DAVID, ARE YOU? YEAH, WE ARE.

JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT, WE ARE HAVING OUR WATER WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 1ST.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

AS WE THINK ABOUT POLICY AND SUBSIDY LEVELS AS WE ENTER INTO THAT PROCESS.

SO IT'S A GREAT POINT. IT COMES FROM WHAT? THANK YOU, MARY. JUST REAL QUICK AND YOU CAN JUST RESPOND ACCORDINGLY IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OTHER WATER SOURCES, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE MYSELF LIVE ON A LITTLE BIT LARGER LOTS IN TOWN.

AND SO I DON'T REALLY EVEN KNOW WHAT THE POLICY IS AND I DON'T THINK MANY PEOPLE DO ABOUT IF YOU WANTED A WATER WELL EITHER FOR JUST IRRIGATION OR, YOU KNOW, LIVESTOCK OR AGRICULTURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE POLICIES OF THAT WITHIN THE CITY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT NOW, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE MASTER PLAN TO GO, OKAY, HERE ARE SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT IF RESIDENTS ARE ABLE TO DO THIS BASED UPON TC CODES, I THINK YOU GOT TO HAVE SOME MANY ACRES.

BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT GIVE SOME PEOPLE AN ALTERNATIVE TO PAYING POTABLE WATER RATES AND ALSO WASTEWATER RATES IF THEY'RE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO BE ADDRESSED.

YES, SIR. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CNN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

I WOULD ADD THAT WAS VAL'S FIRST PRESENTATION AND HE'S DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB SINCE HE'S BEEN HERE, SO.

GREAT JOB. GOOD JOB.

WELL DONE. YES, THANK YOU.

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the Citywide Speed Study. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 1 hour]]

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GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

NATHAN GEORGE CAPITAL PROJECTS ENGINEERING WANT TO FIRST ACKNOWLEDGE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF FOLKS WHO HAVE JOINED ME TODAY FOR THIS PRESENTATION.

BECKY DEVANEY, WHO RUNS OUR DEPARTMENT, IS HERE.

AND THEN WE'VE THIS HAS BEEN A REAL COLLABORATION BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS.

SO WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH LEGAL WITH THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE, WITH STREETS, WITH TRAFFIC OPERATIONS.

SO IT'S BEEN A REAL PARTNERSHIP TO GET TO THE POINT THAT WE ARE TODAY.

I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.

WE'RE GIVING THIS PRESENTATION IN TWO PARTS, SO WE'LL HAVE A HARD STOP WITH QUESTIONS ON THE CITYWIDE SPEED STUDY BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION.

ONE QUICK QUESTION. IF YOU GO BACK THAT YOU PUT THAT RIGHT TURN LANE TO NOWHERE AND THERE JUST TO DRIVE ME CRAZY OR NO.

YES, GO AHEAD. FORMER BUS PULL OFF THAT'S BEEN DECOMMISSIONED.

ALL RIGHT. SO OUR AGENDA TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO WALK THROUGH SOME BACKGROUND GOALS AND PROCESS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THIS STUDY.

WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE STUDY AND WHAT IS NOT.

TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND ON WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL SEPARATELY, GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON TEXT STREET SEPARATELY FROM CITY STREETS, SO YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE FOR THAT IN A MINUTE.

WE'LL ALSO HIGHLIGHT UNIVERSITY STREETS SEPARATELY, AND THEN WE WILL HIGHLIGHT THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SPEEDS AND TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS.

SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

THIS IS AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT SAFETY FIRST IS A GOAL.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE 2022 MOBILITY PLAN.

SPEED IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THAT, BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT CONTEXT AND THE DESIGN OF OUR STREETS WILL INFLUENCE SPEED.

SO THERE'S KIND OF A PUSH PULL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SETTING SPEEDS AND HOW THE ROADWAYS ARE DESIGNED AND FUNCTIONED.

THE GOALS OF THIS STUDY.

SO THE CITYWIDE SPEED STUDY LOOKS AT THE STREETS THAT ARE IN OUR ORDINANCE RELATED TO SPEED LIMITS ON CERTAIN ROADS AND HIGHWAYS THAT ARE SEPARATE LIMITS OR SEPARATE SPEED LIMITS IN THAT LISTING FOR CITY STREETS AND FOR TEXT, THAT STREETS WILL HIGHLIGHT THOSE SEPARATELY THERE.

AS WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF GENERAL HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE INTO THE ORDINANCE AS WE BRING THOSE BEFORE YOU FOR ADOPTION.

SO WE'LL BE REMOVING SOME STREETS THAT ARE INCLUDED THAT REALLY SHOULDN'T BE STREETS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION AND THE PRIVATE STREETS THAT WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION OVER. WE'RE ALSO RECOMMENDING SEPARATING UNIVERSITY STREETS OUT OF OUT OF THE SECTION THAT IS DISCUSSED IN THE CITYWIDE SPEED STUDY AND THEN UPDATING SOME SCHOOL ZONES JUST TO PROVIDE CLARITY, BECAUSE WE HAVE THOSE COVERED IN TWO SEPARATE PARTS OF THE ORDINANCE.

SO AS WE GET THOSE ORDINANCE MATERIALS PULLED TOGETHER AND BRING THOSE BACK TO COUNCIL, ALL THAT WILL BE CLEANED UP.

SO YOU MIGHT BE ASKING WHAT IS A PRIMA FASCIA SPEED LIMIT? THAT'S A TERM YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT AS WE TALK ABOUT SPEED LIMITS IN TEXAS.

AND SO I'M GOING TO READ THROUGH THIS SLIDE PRETTY MUCH WORD BY WORD, WHICH IS NOT MY TYPICAL STYLE.

BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE WORKED THROUGH PRETTY CAREFULLY AS A TEAM, AS A STAFF TEAM TO TO WANT TO MAKE SURE I HIGHLIGHT ALL THE MAJOR POINTS HERE.

SO THE PRIMA FASCIA SPEED ARE THE SPEED LIMITS THAT ON ON THE FACE OF IT, ARE REASONABLE AND PRUDENT UNDER CURRENT CONDITIONS.

SO THAT'S TEXAS'S LITERAL DEFINITION OF A PRIMA FASCIA SPEED.

THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE, WHICH IS OUR LAW, IDENTIFIES DEFAULT PRIMA FASCIA SPEED LIMITS AND OUTLINES THE PROCEDURES TO MODIFY THOSE LIMITS BASED ON AN ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC INVESTIGATION, WHICH IS A TERM YOU'LL HEAR SEVERAL TIMES TODAY, SPEED LIMIT IN EXCESS OF THE LIMITS ESTABLISHED BY LAW OR ALTERED AND POSTED BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF AN ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC INVESTIGATION, IS PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE THAT A SPEED IS NOT REASONABLE OR PRUDENT AND THEREFORE IS UNLAWFUL.

SO THIS IS SORT OF THE LEGAL UNDERPINNING OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

THOSE PRIMA FASCIA DEFAULT SPEED LIMITS THAT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED FOR HERE.

THESE ARE THE GENERAL SPEED LIMITS THAT ARE APPLICABLE ON CITY STREETS.

THERE ARE A HANDFUL IN THE LAW THAT ARE NOT SO APPLICABLE, LIKE SPEED LIMITS ON A BEACH ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THE FOUR THAT DIRECTLY APPLY TO THE CITY OF DENTON SPEED OF 15 MILES PER HOUR IN AN ALLEY, 30 MILES AN HOUR IN AN URBAN DISTRICT, 60 MILES AN HOUR ON AN UNNUMBERED ROADWAY, NOT IN AN URBAN DISTRICT.

SO THOSE ARE YOUR LIKE COUNTY ROADS.

AND THEN 70 MILES AN HOUR ON A NUMBERED HIGHWAY, NOT IN AN URBAN DISTRICT.

AND I'M SURE YOU'RE THINKING AS YOU HEAR THOSE NUMBERS, I'VE SEEN SOME OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT MATCHING THOSE NUMBERS.

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SO TO ALTER THE PRIMA FASCIA SPEED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, YOU CONDUCT AN ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC INVESTIGATION.

THAT'S THE TEXT TERM OR A SPEED STUDY, AS WE'RE CALLING IT, TO RECOMMEND THOSE ALTERED SPEED LIMITS.

THE DATA THAT WE USE THERE IS OBSERVED SPEEDS.

SO THAT'S OUR OBSERVED TRAFFIC CONDITIONS, THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES AND THEN CRASHES.

AND AS WE LOOK AT ALL OF THAT DATA, WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER FACTORS TO INFLUENCE DECISIONS THAT MAY BE RELATED TO HIGH INCIDENCE CRASH RATES, INJURY RATES, FATALITY RATES.

SO THOSE CAN ALSO BE AN INFLUENCE AS WE MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HIGHLIGHT OF WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE CITYWIDE SPEED STUDY, AND THIS WILL RELATE TO THE RESIDENTIAL DISCUSSION THAT WILL WE'VE BROKEN OUT SEPARATELY.

SO WHAT'S INCLUDED ARE OUR PRIMARY STREETS.

THAT'S OUR ARTERIALS AND COLLECTORS AS IDENTIFIED IN OUR MOBILITY PLAN.

SOME OF THOSE ARTERIALS AND COLLECTORS ARE ALSO TEXT STREETS.

SO WE DID STUDY A NUMBER OF TEXT ROADS AND WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THOSE ARE STUDIED, BUT WE WILL REQUIRE TEXT CONCURRENCE BEFORE WE BRING THOSE FOR ADOPTION IN OUR ORDINANCES AND WE'LL HIGHLIGHT THOSE AGAIN IN A MINUTE.

WHAT'S NOT INCLUDED ARE WHAT'S CLASSIFIED AS FREEWAYS.

SO THAT'S OUR LIMITED ACCESS ROADS.

I NOTED HERE I-35 AND LOOP TO 88 AS PRIMARY FREEWAYS CLEARLY LOOK TO 88 WILL BE UPGRADED.

BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THIS STUDY, JUST CONSIDER THAT TO BE EFFECTIVELY A FREEWAY AND THEN UNIVERSITY 380 AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WILL ALSO BE UPGRADED TO FREEWAY STATUS EAST OF LOOP STREETS THAT WERE INFLUENCED BY CONSTRUCTION.

WE COULDN'T GET RELIABLE DATA AND DURING THE TIME FRAME THAT WE WERE COLLECTING DATA FOR THIS STUDY.

SO ANYTHING THAT WAS RECENT OR SIGNIFICANT CONSTRUCTION IS PLANNED AND UPCOMING.

THOSE WERE EXCLUDED.

WE ALSO HAD LIKE US 380, WE HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL TIMING PROJECT ONGOING.

SO IN THOSE CASES, THOSE STREETS WE DIDN'T COLLECT DATA THAT WOULD REQUIRE DATA COLLECTION BEFORE WE INCORPORATE THOSE INTO A FUTURE STUDY, LIKE A FUTURE UPDATE TO THIS SPEED STUDY. AND THEN RESIDENTIAL STREETS, LIKE I MENTIONED, THOSE ARE NOT BASED ON THE TYPE OF STUDY THAT WE'RE PRESENTING HERE, THE CITYWIDE SPEED STUDY.

SO WE'LL HIGHLIGHT SOME OPTION FOR THOSE AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.

SO THE PROCESS THAT WE WORK THROUGH IS A SIMPLE FOUR STEP PROCESS.

THIS IS PRETTY COMMON WHEN YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH ANY TRAFFIC ENGINEERING PRACTICE, COLLECT DATA.

IN THIS CASE, WE COLLECTED A LOT OF TRAFFIC DATA.

YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN TUBES OUT ON THE STREET.

THAT'S HOW WE COLLECTED ALL THIS DATA AND THEN ASSEMBLING ALL THE CRASH DATA SO WE COULD ESTABLISH THOSE CRASH RATES.

WE PROCESSED THE DATA, WHICH WAS A PRETTY INTENSIVE PROCESS OF ESTABLISHING WHAT WERE THE SPEED METRICS, TERMS THAT YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR, FAMILIAR WITH 50TH PERCENTILE SPEED, 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED, AVERAGE SPEED.

SO WE WE ASSEMBLED ALL OF THAT DATA AND THEN ESTABLISH THE CRASH RATES FOR EACH OF THE STUDY SEGMENTS AS WELL.

AND THEN BASED ON ALL OF THAT DATA, WE FORMULATED RECOMMENDATIONS AND DOCUMENTED THE STUDY THAT'S INCLUDED IN TODAY'S ITEM.

WE'RE HERE TODAY TO PRESENT THAT FOR COUNSEL CONSIDERATION AND RECEIVE YOUR COMMENTS.

AND THAT'S THAT WILL CONCLUDE THAT PORTION OF THE SPEED STUDY PROCESS.

A COUPLE OF GENERAL HIGHLIGHTS.

THE BIG TAKEAWAYS TO HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU ARE SUSPECTED SERIOUS INJURIES AND FATALITY CRASHES WERE PRIMARILY LOCATED ON ROADS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS STUDY OR WOULD HAVE BEEN STUDIED WERE THEY NOT IMPACTED BY CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY? OUR HIGH CRASH CORRIDORS TENDED TO ALSO BE HIGH SPEED ROADWAYS OR HIGHER VOLUME ROADWAYS.

AGAIN, THERE ARE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES IN THE CITY.

I COULDN'T COME BEFORE YOU AND MAKE A PRESENTATION WITHOUT GENERATING SOMETHING PRETTY.

SO THIS IS A PRETTY MAP JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THE DOTS ON THE MAP REPRESENT OUR SEVERE INJURIES AND FATALITIES.

THE BLUE AND GREEN LINES REPRESENT WHERE WE'VE STUDIED WHAT OUR STUDY STREETS ARE.

THE DARK GREEN LINES ARE SOME OF THE ROADS THAT ARE OUT ON OUR FRINGES THAT WE DIDN'T INCLUDE IN THIS STUDY BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE ALONG OUR BOUNDARIES.

AND THEN AGAIN, THE BLUE LINES ARE THOSE FREEWAYS THE TEXT MAINTAINS AND WOULD NOT BE STUDIED.

SO IT'S A LOT OF OUR RADIALS IN AND AROUND THE CITY.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A PRETTY HIGH CORRELATION BETWEEN WHERE THOSE DOTS FALL AND WHERE WE HAVE STUDIED OR WOULD STUDY THOSE CRASHES THAT RESULT IN SUSPECTED SERIOUS INJURY OR FATALITIES TEND.

TO OCCUR ALONG THESE ROADWAYS.

THIS IS OVERLAID ONTO A HEAT MAP AS WELL.

SO IF YOU HAVE TIME TO TO LOOK AT THE DATA A LITTLE BIT, IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE SEEING A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF ALL CRASHES.

THAT HEAT MAP IS ALL CRASHES IN THE CITY.

ALL RIGHT. SO AS WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE ARE BOUND BY A SET OF ENGINEERING PRINCIPLES.

YOU HEARD OF THE 85TH PERCENTILE RULE.

IT'S KIND OF A HARD AND FAST RULE THAT'S BEGINNING TO CHANGE.

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, AS WE WORK WITHIN TEXTS PARAMETERS, WE'RE WORKING WITHIN THAT THE CONFINES OF THE 85TH PERCENTILE APPROACH TO SETTING SPEEDS.

AND SO IN 85TH PERCENTILE IS THE SPEED AT OR BELOW WHICH 85% OF ALL VEHICLES OBSERVED IN FREE FLOWING TRAFFIC CONDITIONS ARE

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AND THAT NUMBER IS THE PRIMARY BASIS FOR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

BUT WHERE WE SEE THOSE CRASH RATES.

SO IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ESTABLISH CRASH RATES WHERE WE SEE THOSE EXCEEDING PUBLISHED STATEWIDE RATES.

SO WE COMPARED EACH OF THE RATES TO THE ROADWAY THAT WE WERE STUDYING.

WHERE WE EXCEED THAT NUMBER, WE TEXT LAW ALLOWS US TO DECREASE THE RECOMMENDED SPEED BY UP TO 12 MILES AN HOUR, WHICH WE GENERALLY FOLLOWED.

THERE WERE A LOT OF CASES I'LL HIGHLIGHT AS WE OR I'LL JUST SHOW YOU THE RECOMMENDATIONS HERE IN A MOMENT.

SO THE TEXT RESULTS, WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THE TABLES.

I'M NOT GOING TO WALK THROUGH THEM ALL. WE'D BE HERE ALL DAY IF I DID, BUT WE'LL PRESENT THOSE AND THEY'RE IN YOUR MEETING PACKET TABLES THAT SUMMARIZE OUR RECOMMENDED CHANGES.

AND THEN, AS I SAID, TECH SIDE HAS TO CONCUR.

SO THESE RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN FORWARDED ON TO TEXT THAT FOR THEIR REVIEW AND CONCURRENCE.

SO AND IT MAY IT'S A LITTLE HARD ON MY SCREEN, BUT VERY EASY ON YOUR SCREEN TO SEE.

SO THE FIRST FOUR COLUMNS OF THESE TABLES REFLECT WHAT'S IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE.

THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH A COPY AND PASTE OF WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT CITY ORDINANCE.

THE LAST COLUMN WITH THE BLUE HIGHLIGHTS.

THOSE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'VE MADE WHERE WE HAVE A BLUE HIGHLIGHTED CELL THAT REPRESENTS A CHANGE UP OR DOWN OF WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FOR EACH OF THOSE ROADWAYS.

AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE ALSO SOME CLARIFICATIONS AND I'LL ADVANCE THE NEXT SLIDE.

THERE WERE SOME CLARIFICATIONS WHERE YOU'LL SEE STRIKETHROUGH TEXT.

THOSE ARE SOME OF THE STREETS THAT WE SAW, MAYBE SOME INCONSISTENT DATA.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS STREET THAT'S IN OUR OR A STREET THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FOR SOME OTHER REASON.

THE ROADS THAT WERE NOT STUDIED ARE IN A LIGHT GRAY.

SO THEY WERE PRESENTING WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE ORDINANCE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE TABLES ARE CONSISTENT.

BUT WE'RE NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OR THEY WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE STUDY.

SO AGAIN, THOSE THREE TABLES MAKE UP THE THE TEXT RECOMMENDATIONS, REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

THEY ARE A CONSOLIDATED PRESENTATION OF WHAT'S IN THE STUDY REPORT.

SO THERE'S ALL THE TRAFFIC DATA, ALL THE RESULTS RELATED TO CRASHES, INJURIES, FATALITIES AND THE CRASH RATE ARE PRESENTED IN THE LARGER TABLE.

THAT'S IN THE BODY OF THE REPORT.

AND JUST A REMINDER, ALL OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS GO TO TEXT, DOT TEXT, DOT HAS TO GIVE US THEIR BLESSING OR WHATEVER THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BEFORE WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON THEIR STREETS. AND WE HAVE SHARED THIS REPORT WITH TEXT FOR THEIR CONCURRENCE ON THE CITY STREETS.

SO THESE ARE THE STREETS THAT THE CITY OWNS AND MAINTAINS.

WE HAVE THE JURISDICTION TO TAKE ACTION.

SO WE HAVE A BIT MORE LATITUDE HERE THAT WE CAN RECEIVE YOUR FEEDBACK AND BRING AN ORDINANCE.

SO THE FOLLOWING TABLE SUMMARIZES THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON CITY STREETS BASED ON DIRECTION THAT WE SEE RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL WILL PREPARE AND PRESENT FOR YOU A REVISED ORDINANCE THAT WILL CLEAN UP ALL THE ITEMS THAT I INDICATED IN HOUSEKEEPING, BUT ALSO INCORPORATE ANY OF THESE RECOMMENDED SPEED LIMIT CHANGES.

A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS HERE. WE DID HAVE SOME STREETS THAT WERE ON TWU CAMPUS THAT ARE PRIVATE, SO THOSE WERE THE ONES I HIGHLIGHTED.

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S A LOT OF CLEANUP ITEMS. I WOULD SAY THERE WERE MORE SPEED LIMIT RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE TEXT AREAS THAN THERE WERE ON THE CITY STREETS.

I'LL JUST FINISH.

GETTING US THROUGH THESE REAL QUICK.

AGAIN, SAME SAME APPROACH.

ANYTHING THAT'S GREAT OUTWARD.

THE STREETS THAT WE DIDN'T STUDY, STRIKE THROUGH WERE CLEAN CLEANUP ITEMS FROM A HOUSEKEEPING PERSPECTIVE.

AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY SIGNIFICANT RECOMMENDATIONS ON OUR ON OUR CITY STREETS.

ANOTHER AREA THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IS CLEAR IN OUR ORDINANCES, ANYWHERE THAT WE ARE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THE RESULT OF A STUDY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT POLICY BASED SPEED LIMITS IN THE CITY ARE IDENTIFIED SEPARATELY AND A LOT OF UNIVERSITY STREETS ON OUR UNDER W ADJACENT CITY STREETS THAT THE STREETS THAT PASS THROUGH CAMPUS.

A LOT OF THOSE STREETS ARE POSTED 20 MILES AN HOUR.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE BRING THIS ORDINANCE FORWARD, WE MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THOSE ARE UNIVERSITY SPECIFIC SO THAT 20 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMITS, WHICH ARE WE'LL TALK ABOUT 20 VERSUS 25 AND WHEN WE GET INTO THE RESIDENTIAL DISCUSSION.

BUT THOSE ARE A POLICY DECISION, PROVISIONS WITHIN THE LAW THAT ALLOW US TO DISCUSS UNIVERSITY STREETS.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS BREAKING THOSE OUT SEPARATELY.

HERE'S THE TABLE OF THOSE STREETS.

THEY'RE PRIMARILY IN THE UNT AREA WITH BELLE AVENUE BEING THE STREET THROUGH CAMPUS.

AND WE'RE JUST BRINGING THAT FORWARD AS A RECOMMENDATION TO AS GENERAL HOUSEKEEPING TO MAKE OUR ORDINANCE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR HOW THOSE SPEED LIMITS ARE ESTABLISHED.

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BEFORE WE JUMP INTO Q&A, THE STREETS THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS STUDY, WE WILL NEED TO GO BACK AND TAKE DATA AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THOSE STREETS.

SO THAT'S OUR BEASLEY'S HICKORY CREEK ROAD STREETS THAT SOME OF THEM JUST COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION, BUT NOT IN THE TIME FRAME.

WE COULD COLLECT DATA.

A NUMBER OF THEM ARE STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR WILL BE UNDERGOING SIGNIFICANT CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

AND THEN A BIG TAKEAWAY FROM THIS STUDY IS THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF REALLY HIGH QUALITY DATA ON WHERE WE HAVE SAFETY CHALLENGES ON THESE STREETS.

WE'VE GOT ESTABLISHED CRASH INJURY AND FATALITY RATES.

THOSE OUTCOMES REALLY HELP US SHARE A LOT OF DATA WITH PD AND REVIEW THOSE FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE.

BUT IT WILL REALLY REQUIRE TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THOSE STREETS SO WE CAN IDENTIFY SAFETY CHALLENGES AND COUNTERMEASURES TO IMPROVE SAFETY, TO HIGHLIGHT A LITTLE BIT OF COST CONSIDERATIONS.

SO WE'RE CONSISTENT BETWEEN THIS PART OF THE PRESENTATION AND THE OTHER PART SO ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITYWIDE SPEED STUDY, WE HAVE ASSIGNED SINE REPLACEMENT AND THEN ADDITIONAL ADDING SIGNS ON ROADWAYS WHERE WE FEEL SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

SO FOR TEXTILE ROADWAYS, THAT'S ESTIMATED AT ABOUT 120 TO 145000, WE DID NOT INCLUDE A COST FOR MAINTENANCE BECAUSE WE ASSUME ONCE WE INCUR THAT COST AND TURN IT OVER TO TEXT DATA THAT WOULD BE THERE.

MAINTENANCE COST FOR THE CITY STREETS THERE.

THE REPLACEMENT AND INSTALLATION OF NEW SIGNS WOULD BE ABOUT 75 TO 100000.

AND THEN WE DID INCLUDE A SMALL AMOUNT, 3 TO 4000 A YEAR TO ADD MAINTENANCE FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL SIGNS THAT WOULD BE POSTED ON CITY STREETS.

SO OUR NEXT STEPS, WE ARE HERE TO RECEIVE COUNCIL DIRECTION.

WE PLAN TO CONDUCT A FOLLOW UP WORK SESSION IF NEEDED IN OCTOBER TO BRING BACK ANY CLARIFICATIONS THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.

THEN WE WILL RETURN SOMETIME LATER IN THE YEAR, PRESUMABLY NOVEMBER DECEMBER, WITH THAT MODIFIED ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY STREETS.

AND WE WILL COORDINATE WITH TECH STATE AND AS WE RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM THEM, BRING BACK TO COUNCIL THE RESULTS OF THAT EVALUATION ON TEXTS BEHALF.

AND WITH THAT I WILL PAUSE BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE SOME PRESENTATION ON THE RESIDENTIAL SPEEDS FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE ON THE CITYWIDE SPEED STUDY.

GOT IT. AND IF WE COULD BE SUCCINCT AS POSSIBLE TO GIVE US A CHANCE TO GET TO THE REST OF IT.

COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

MAYOR PRO TEM. YEAH, IT'S KIND OF AN OVERARCHING QUESTION.

I'M SURE WE GOT LOTS OF QUESTIONS WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE TABLES AND INDIVIDUAL ROADS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

BUT CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHERE THE CUTOFF IS FOR THE STUDIED STREETS? BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME PRETTY HEAVY DUTY COLLECTORS THAT DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT? YOU KNOW, IN MY PART OF THE WORLD, IT'S ACTOR MALONE HINKLE, PLACES THAT WERE ESPECIALLY WORRIED ABOUT INTERACTION WITH BIKE TRAFFIC AND SCHOOLS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND WHY ROADS LIKE THAT DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT INTO THE STUDY EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE COLLECTORS ON THE MOBILITY PLAN, WHEREAS SOME OTHER ONES WERE SELECTED? I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL THE THE STREETS THAT YOU SEE ARE WHAT'S IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE.

AND THE THE CUTOFF, IF YOU WILL, WOULD BE WHAT CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS AN URBAN DISTRICT STREET, WHICH IS A FUNCTION OF HOW MUCH ACCESS THERE IS ON THE STREET. SO LIKE AN ACTOR IS A RESIDENTIAL PSEUDO RESIDENTIAL STREET, IF YOU WILL.

THERE WILL BE SOME STREETS THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE ADDED AS WE LOOK CLOSER AT HOW SPEED LIMITS ARE ESTABLISHED.

BUT I'D SAY GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE STREETS THAT YOU SEE THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ARE POSTED 30 BASED ON BEING AN URBAN DISTRICT.

AND IF WE ADD THEM, THEN THAT MAY OPEN THEM UP TO MORE OF AN ENGINEERING.

AS YOU LOOK THROUGH THE RESULTS, YOU'LL SEE WE FOLLOW THE DATA AND IN SOME CASES, IF WE WERE TO STUDY A STREET, THE DATA MAY SUGGEST THAT SPEED LIMITS SHOULD BE RAISED.

SO IT'S KIND OF A BALANCING ACT OF DO WE APPLY FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE THAT THAT URBAN DISTRICT STANDARD VERSUS STUDYING THE STREET AND MAYBE THE RESULTS AREN'T WHAT WE'D LIKE, BUT THAT'S THE RESULT, MAYOR, TO.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HAVE TO SORT OF DAILY QUESTION AND THEN SORT OF AN OVERALL SORT OF UNDERSTANDING.

THE FIRST ONE IS, IS THIS IS THE RESULTS OF THIS PART AND THE FOLLOW FALL APART IN A FEW MINUTES.

ARE THEY AVAILABLE AS GIS LAYERS? BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS IN TOWN THAT LOVE TO GO IN AND AND PLAY WITH THE DATA.

SOME OF THEM ARE HERE ON THE DAIS, OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY AND THAT THEY WOULD LIKE AND WE HAVE A STRONG ADVOCACY COMMUNITY THAT WOULD LOVE TO

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I'LL SAY YES, THE DATA IS ALL THIS STUDY WAS FULLY GENERATED IN GIS.

THE DATA IS NOT PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.

CURRENTLY WE'RE WORKING WITH TECH SERVICES TO MIGRATE SOME OF THE ANALYSIS.

SO ANALYSIS WAS PREPARED IN EXCEL PREDOMINANTLY, AND THEN I'VE HAD TO MERGE THE DATA SO WE COULD BIND IT, IF YOU WILL, TO THE GIS LAYERS.

AND I'M WORKING WITH TECH SERVICES TO GET THAT INFORMATION ALL PRODUCED IN A IN A WAY THAT WE CAN GENERATE ONLINE MAPPING AND INTERACTIVE MAPPING SO WE CAN SEE WHERE WHERE SOME OF THOSE AND THIS IS PROCESSES THAT I'VE DONE IN THE BACKGROUND WITH, WITH ME HAVING THE DATA THAT I'VE SHARED WITH PDS.

SO THEY HAVE AN IDEA OF LIKE, WHERE DO WE HAVE HIGH SEVERE INJURY RATES? SO WE'RE WE'RE SHARING THE DATA INTERNALLY, BUT TO GET IT PUBLISHED OUT IS GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TO JUST TO GET THE DATA MASSAGED INTO A FORMAT THAT WE CAN HOST IT AND BEING SENSITIVE TO WHAT INFORMATION IS PUBLIC VERSUS NOT PUBLIC, WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE FORMAT THE DATA CORRECTLY.

SO THAT WILL BE ANOTHER PROCESS BEFORE WE ISSUE ANY ANY PUBLIC FACING INFORMATION.

AND THEN SORT OF RELATED TO THAT, IT SEEMS LIKE DO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THOSE LOCATIONS? I KNOW YOU HAVE THE SPEED, SO I KNOW THE INTRINSICALLY THE ANSWER IS GOING TO BE YES.

BUT THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THOSE AREAS WHERE WE'VE ALREADY ALTERED AWAY FROM PRIMA FASCIA VERSUS WHERE WE HAVE MAINTAINED THE PRIMA FASCIA SPEED LIMITS? AND THE CONTEXT FOR MY QUESTION IS, CAN WE DO WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF PLACES WHERE WE'VE ALREADY ALTERED THE SPEED LIMIT UP OR DOWN AND HOW THAT CORRELATES WITH THE ACCIDENT HEAT MAPS THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN ASSESSMENT FOR DENTON OF EXACTLY HOW SUCCESSFUL WE'VE BEEN WHEN WE'VE DONE IT IN A LESS CONCERTED FASHION THAN YOU'RE TRYING TO DO NOW.

I WOULD SAY I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SEE IN THE DATA WHERE WE'VE ALTERED SPEEDS, HOW IT'S INFLUENCED SAFETY SUBSTANTIALLY.

WHAT I WOULD ONE ANECDOTAL OBSERVATION THAT I'LL SHARE THAT TO ME WAS AN INTERESTING OBSERVATION IS THAT I COULD LOOK AT SOME OF THE STREET DESIGNS THAT WE HAD, HICKORY STREET BEING ONE OF THE EXAMPLES HERE IN DOWNTOWN WHERE THE OBSERVED OPERATING SPEED WAS 25 MILES AN HOUR BACK IN ANGLED PARKING, NARROW STREET, LOTS OF PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY.

SO WE HAD SOME STREETS LIKE THAT WHERE BASED ON THE CHARACTER OF THE ROADWAY, WE WERE GETTING LOWER OBSERVED OPERATING SPEEDS AND THAT WAS HICKORY AND SOME AREAS OF OAK.

SO THERE WERE SOME GOOD OBSERVATIONS THERE.

I'D SAY PEELING BACK THE LAYER OF THE ONION TO SEE WHERE HAVE WE ALTERED SPEEDS AND HOW IS THAT INFLUENCED SAFETY.

I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY REAL TAKEAWAYS IN THAT REGARD.

AND I THINK IN A LOT OF CASES, IF WE IF WE TOOK A CRITICAL LOOK AT IT, SPEEDS HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER IN SOME OF THOSE CASES, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY THE DESIRED OUTCOME. BUT THOSE ARE LIKE OUR MORE SIGNIFICANT COLLECTOR STREETS, NOT IN DOWNTOWN.

SO AND I PLAN TO HAVE A MEETING WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TEAM TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OBSERVATIONS IN TERMS OF LIKE HOW WE'RE DESIGNING OUR STREETS AND WHAT WE SAW AS A RESULT OF THIS STUDY SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE WHAT ARE SOME TAKEAWAYS FROM THE STUDY THAT MAY INFLUENCE HOW WE DESIGN OUR ROADS, FREQUENCY OF ACCESS, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO THAT'S A FOLLOW UP ACTION JUST INTERNALLY, A STAFF THAT I WANT TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THEM AS WELL.

YEAH, I'D REALLY ENCOURAGE THAT.

USING USING TWO DIFFERENT POPULATIONS WITHIN THE SAME HEAT MAP OF ACCIDENT, HEAT MAP AND CROSS, COMPARING WHERE WE'VE HAD OUR SUCCESSES AND FAILURES AS WE TRY TO GO FORWARD. AND THEN SORT OF THE THE THING I NOTED IN THE TABLES WERE AT LEAST FOR THE TEXT ON THE CITY, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO COME TO RESIDENTIAL IN A SECOND.

THE RECOMMENDATION WAS ONLY ONE TEXT ROAD TO GO UP IN SPEED AND ONLY THREE CITY ROADS AND EVERYTHING ELSE WAS EITHER MAINTAINED OR REDUCE IN SPEED.

AND THE REASON I HIGHLIGHT THAT AND I THINK YOU DID IT YOURSELF WITH THE BLUE BOXES IS DOES THAT TELL US THAT? THE PRINCIPLES THAT WE WERE USING TO GOVERN SPEED UP TO NOW MAY NOT HAVE BEEN SERVING US WELL.

I'LL JUST SAY THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

WE TRIED TO MAINTAIN SPEEDS AND NOT INCREASE THEM BECAUSE AS YOU INCREASE SPEEDS, THERE IS A AN ATTRACTION FACTOR, IF YOU WILL.

YOU POST A HIGHER SPEED.

DRIVERS DRIVE FASTER.

SO OUR GOAL WAS NOT TO RAISE SPEEDS SIMPLY FOR THE SAKE OF RAISING THEM.

BUT I'D SAY THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE DATA THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING IS THAT A LOT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WHERE WE'RE LOWERING SPEEDS ARE BASED ON CRASHES, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CRASHES IN SOME CASES.

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WE DON'T WANT TO SEE CRASH RATES IN EXCESS OR SIGNIFICANTLY IN EXCESS OF STATEWIDE RATES BECAUSE THAT TELLS US WE NEED TO ALTER THE ENVIRONMENT TO MAKE THE SPEED SELF-ENFORCING.

YOU'LL SEE THAT TERM IN THE STUDY SELF ENFORCING SPEEDS.

BUT WE WE NEED TO EITHER MAKE THIS THE SPEED SELF ENFORCING OR FIND WAYS TO ADDRESS THOSE SAFETY CHALLENGES.

AND SOMETIMES THOSE ARE EASY THINGS.

PUTTING UP SOME SIGNS THAT ALERT FOLKS TO TO AN ODD CONDITION SO THEY'RE AWARE OF IT AS THEY'RE APPROACHING AND REDUCE THEIR SPEED ADVISORY.

SOMETIMES IT COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE CHANGING SIGNAL PHASING.

SO THERE ARE REALLY A HOST OF WAYS THAT WE CAN TAKE THIS DATA AND START TO LOOK FOR SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, WE WOULDN'T BE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO LOWER SPEEDS BASED ON THE HIGH CRASH RATE.

AND THAT'S IN A LOT OF CASES, ESPECIALLY ON OUR TECH STOCK ROADS.

IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY CRASHES THAT IT'S REALLY NECESSARY TO PUSH THE SPEEDS DOWN TO ALERT DRIVERS, HEY, WE'VE WE'VE GOT SOME SAFETY CHALLENGES HERE THAT YOU NEED TO SLOW DOWN AND BE MORE ALERT TO SO WE CAN HOPEFULLY PREVENT THOSE SEVERE AND FATAL INJURIES.

I'M GOING TO NOD TO OUR VISION ZERO EFFORT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT TO USE AS THE BACKING FOR WHY WE'RE MAKING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND IN FAR TOO MANY CASES, AT LEAST ON OUR TEXTILE ROADWAYS, THAT WAS THE JUSTIFICATION.

WELL, AND BEFORE I PASS THE BATON, I JUST WANTED TO REALLY THANK YOU.

I THINK YOU CAN TELL I'M PRETTY EXCITED.

I LOVE GETTING THE DATA.

I KNOW THERE'S A BUNCH OF US THAT LOVE SEEING THINGS THAT WE CAN MAKE DECISION PROCESSES ON.

I REALLY THINK YOU AND THE REST OF THE TEAM FOR FOR HELPING US GET TO 21ST CENTURY DATA PRESENTATIONS ON THESE THINGS.

SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. MAYOR PROTON, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMES FROM MAGUIRE. THANK YOU, MAYOR HUDSPETH.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE UTC AND TEX STEWART AND WHAT DECISIONS COUNCIL HAS HAS POWER TO MAKE.

REALLY. SO IF IF IF A ROADWAY IS INCLUDED IN THE SPEED STUDY AND LET'S SAY IT'S NOT A TEXTILE ROADWAY AND WE FIND THAT THE THE 85% MARK IS MUCH HIGHER THAN THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT, ARE WE BOUND TO RAISE THE SPEED LIMIT OR ARE WE ALLOWED TO JUST KEEP IT THE SAME EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE ARE SPEEDING ON THAT ROADWAY? I'D SAY FOLLOWING THE DATA, IT'S I'LL USE CAROL BOULEVARD AS AN EXAMPLE.

CAROL BOULEVARD, THE DATA, THE 85TH PERCENTILE WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE SHOULD RAISE THE SPEED, THE HIGH NUMBER OF CRASHES THAT OCCUR ON CAROL BOULEVARD AND SAY WE NEED TO KEEP THE SPEED WHERE IT IS OR LOWER IT.

SO IT'S KIND OF THAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE SAFETY OUTCOMES AND WHAT THE HOW PEOPLE ARE OPERATING ON THE ROADWAY.

AND IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN IN MEETINGS WHERE THE ENGINEERS HAVE PRESENTED DATA LIKE THIS.

POLICYMAKERS HAVE SAID WE DON'T AGREE AND WE WANT TO STILL, JUST FROM A POLICY LEVEL, MAKE A DECISION TO PUSH THE SPEED LIMIT LOWER.

THAT'S NOT I COULD TURN THAT OVER TO THE CITY PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE TO DISCUSS THE PITFALLS THERE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE DATA AND THERE'S NOT STRONG ENGINEERING RATIONALE, IT BECOMES MORE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE OR TO HAVE THAT HOLD UP IN COURT.

SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING IN THAT REGARD.

AND I DID I DID NOTICE THAT THE ONLY FOUR ROADWAYS WHERE THERE WERE WHERE STAFF IS PROPOSING TO INCREASE THE THE SPEED LIMIT ARE ROADWAYS WHERE THE NUMBER OF CRASHES IS BELOW THE STATE AVERAGE FOR THOSE TYPES OF ROADWAYS.

SO I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS.

OKAY. SO WE WE OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED THE APPROVAL OF THE DALLAS DISTRICT TO CHANGE SPEED LIMITS ON TEXAS ROADWAYS.

DO WE NEED THAT APPROVAL FOR NON TEXT ROADWAYS ALSO? NO, WE DO NOT. WE HAVE AUTHORITY TO TAKE ACTION ON OUR OWN STREETS BASED ON THE EVIDENCE, BASED ON A STUDY.

BUT WE STILL HAVE TO BE WITH IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MOU, T.C..

CORRECT. AND I ALSO HIGHLIGHTED IN THE STUDY JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S BENEFIT UPCOMING CHANGES TO THE CODE.

SO IS A FEDERAL POLICY DOCUMENT, MANUAL UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES THAT HAS WENT THROUGH A RULEMAKING PROCESS.

PART OF THE RULEMAKING CHANGES THAT ARE RECOMMENDED IS IN THE SPEED SETTING POLICIES.

THEY'VE ADDED SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT CAN BE USED, WHICH IN GENERAL, I'D SAY IN MY PAST PRACTICE, WHEN I USED TO DO SPEED STUDIES BEFORE I GOT TO THE CITY OF DENTON, WE APPLIED A LOT MORE OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS, LIKE PEDESTRIAN PRESENCE AND PARKING ACTIVITY, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WOULD INFLUENCE SPEEDS.

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BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, A LOT OF TIMES THOSE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS ARE MORE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, IF YOU WILL.

AND IT'S NOT GOTTEN SPEED SETTING POLICY HAS NOT GOTTEN AS AGGRESSIVELY PROACTIVE OUTSIDE OF AN URBAN AREA.

IT'S REALLY LIKE IN THE URBAN AREAS, THERE'S BEEN MORE OF A MORE CONSIDERATION THAT THE DATA IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AND IT'S MORE OF A POLICY DECISION.

SO THERE ARE CHANGES IN IN THE FUTURE THAT PRESUMABLY WILL FOLLOW THE UPCOMING ADOPTION, BUT WE DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND MAYBE WHAT WILL COME AFTER THAT, WHICH COULD BE LIKE DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER OTHER SAFETY PROFESSIONALS AND ENGINEERS AT A FEDERAL LEVEL.

OKAY. AND THEN I GUESS ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT DISCRETION OR JURISDICTION MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT SO COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS WAS ASKING ABOUT WHY SOME OF OUR COLLECTORS WERE LEFT OUT OF THE SPEED STUDY.

AND YOU SAID THAT THAT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE DEFINITION OF LIKE AN URBAN DISTRICT AND WHAT KIND OF ACCESS THERE WAS ON THOSE ROADWAYS.

WHOSE DISCRETION IS IT? WHICH ROADWAYS TO INCLUDE IN THE SPEED STUDY? IT'S I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW WE'RE WE'RE CONSIDERING SORT OF THESE ARE ALL THE STREETS THAT PAST STAFF HAVE BROUGHT BEFORE OR PAST COUNCILS TO TAKE ACTION ON AND ALTER SPEED LIMITS WHERE YOU SEE THOSE THOSE ROADS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED.

GENERALLY, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE POSTED 30 MILES AN HOUR.

THEY, IN GENERAL FOLLOW AN URBAN CHARACTER.

SO THAT 30 MILE AN HOUR HAS JUST BEEN APPLIED TO THEM.

I WOULD SAY IN A LOT OF CASES, IF WE WERE TO STUDY THEM, YOU'D PROBABLY SEE RECOMMENDATIONS TO RAISE SPEED LIMITS.

SO THERE'S THAT.

THAT'S THE CHALLENGE IS IF YOU STUDY AN ACTOR OR A SIMILAR STREET LIKE THAT, THERE'S NOT REALLY A CHARACTER IN THAT ENVIRONMENT THAT SAYS IT'S URBAN AND YOU NEED TO DRIVE SLOWER.

IT'S A WIDE STREET. SO THEN YOU KIND OF GET WHAT YOU BUILT FOR.

IT MIGHT BE WISE OF US TO LEAVE SOME OF OUR NOT SOME OF OUR ROADWAYS THAT WERE MAYBE NOT ENGINEERED FOR SLOW SPEEDS, BUT THAT HAVE SLOW POSTED SPEEDS.

IT MIGHT BE WISE FOR US TO NOT INCLUDE THOSE IN THE STUDY SO THAT WE DON'T PUT OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO RAISE THE SPEED LIMIT.

WELL, I'LL NOD TO OUR OTHER EFFORTS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC OPERATIONS AND ENGINEERING TEAM HAVE BEEN WORKING ON PILOTING A NUMBER OF TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES OR REORIENTING THE STREET ENVIRONMENT TO REDUCE TO ENCOURAGE APPROPRIATE DRIVING SPEEDS.

SO IT'S MORE THAT AS WE SEE THOSE STREETS WHERE WE FEEL THERE MAY BE DRIVERS ARE NOT OBEYING THAT 30 MILE AN HOUR SPEED AND WE WANT TO TRY AND MAKE THE STREET CALMER AND SLOWER STREET AS WE START TO SEE THE OUTCOMES OF THOSE PILOTS, WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT THOSE STREETS FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THOSE MEASURES AS WELL, OR AS WE DO A STREET BOND PROJECT OR REBUILD THE STREET, WE LOOK AT COMPLETELY ALTERING THE ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE'RE DOING AS WE DELIVER THE 2019 BOND PROJECTS.

GREAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CATHERINE, WHAT'S. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME JUST SORT OF WHEN I LOOK AT THIS TABLE TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT ALL THESE FIGURES MEAN AND HOW THEY'RE CORRELATED, HOW THEY'RE USED FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE A DECISION ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

SO I WANT TO PICK OUT TWO EXAMPLES THAT SORT OF, YOU KNOW, PRESENT SORT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF ANALYSIS.

SO WHEN I LOOK AT AND THESE ARE TEXT ROADS, I PRESUME FORT WORTH DRIVE US 377 IT LOOKS LIKE EAGLE DRIVE US 77 TO 35 EASTBOUND SOUTHBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD.

IS THAT LOCUST.

WHAT IS THAT 77 IS THAT FORT WORTH DRIVE IS SOUTH OF EAGLE.

OKAY. SOUTH OF EAGLE, ALL THE WAY HERE.

OKAY. SO IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE FROM 35.

TO EAGLE DRIVE, THAT SEGMENT OF FORD DRIVE, YOU'RE SAYING TO GO DOWN FROM 35 TO 30? THAT'S CORRECT. AND SO THEN ONCE YOU GET TO EAGLE DRIVE AND CAROL BOULEVARD, IT TURNS INTO CAROL, I GUESS, AND YOU'RE MOVING NORTH.

THAT SPEED LIMIT IS 35, I BELIEVE, WITH THE RECOMMENDED CHANGE TO 30 TO 30.

OKAY. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE CRASHES, I SEE 147 AND THOSE ARE ACTUAL REPORTED, I GUESS, ACCIDENTS, POLICE REPORTS OR HOW DOES THAT NUMBER DERIVED? SO THE CRASHES THAT YOU SEE REPORTED IN THE STUDY, THEY'RE DERIVED FROM A CRASH REPORTING INFORMATION SYSTEM OR CRIS SYSTEM THAT IS PUBLISHED BY TECH STATE.

IT IS A DATABASE OF ALL CRASHES.

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SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO MATCH UP THE LOCATION THAT WE'RE STUDYING WITH THE CRASH.

SO THIS ACTUALLY WILL UNDERREPORT THE NUMBER BY A LITTLE BIT.

IT'S ABOUT 10,700 CRASHES AND LIKE 15% OF THE CRASHES WEREN'T LOCATED.

SO THERE ARE SOME NUMBERS THAT ARE BIASED ON THE LOW END.

I FELT LIKE THAT WAS FINE.

AND SO THAT'S THE GENESIS OF WHERE THOSE COME FROM.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT NUMBER THEN IS FROM 2019 TO 2021.

IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID? CORRECT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN I SEE THE CRASH RATE.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT BASED UPON? SO CRASH RATE IS REPRESENTED BY ADT.

THE NUMBER OF CRASHES AND IT'S A CALCULATION THAT IS RUN IN EXCEL.

SO I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA AVAILABLE TO SHARE RIGHT NOW.

BUT THOSE CRASH RATES REPRESENT A A NUMBER OF CRASHES PER MILLION VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED, WHICH IS A COMMON TRAFFIC ENGINEERING MEASURE.

AND THEN THAT CRASH RATE, THE 752 IS COMPARED WITH THE PUBLISHED RATE, WHICH IS EITHER WHEN WE HAVE TEXT FACILITIES, THEY HAVE PUBLISHED RATES FOR THEIR SYSTEM TYPE AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE STREET TYPE.

SO LIKE FOUR LANE DIVIDED FOR LANE UNDIVIDED THAT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT MEASURES OR.

RIGHT. AND THAT I TOOK I TOOK THOSE NUMBERS AND I INDEXED THEM SO I COMPARED LIKE THAT.

752 COMPARED WITH WHAT THE WHAT THE RATE IS FOR THE STATE.

SO I COULD SEE LIKE ARE WE TWO TIMES THREE TIMES THE STATEWIDE AVERAGE.

I WANT TO SAY THIS PORTION OF FORT WORTH DRIVE WAS IN THE 2 TO 3 TIMES THE STATEWIDE AVERAGE, SO SIGNIFICANTLY ABOVE NOT LIKE AT BUT SIGNIFICANTLY ABOVE THE STATEWIDE RATE.

OKAY. AND SO THEN HOW DO THE REPORTED FATALITIES AND REPORTED SUSPECTED SERIOUS INJURIES FACTOR INTO I MEAN, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IF IT'S ABOVE THE STATE STATED GOAL OR THE STATE THE STATE LEVEL, HOW MUCH OF IT IS IT AND YOU USE THAT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT, SHOULD WE LOWER IT? I DON'T THINK IT YOU'RE RAISING YOU'RE RAISING SOME.

BUT FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE.

SO YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE THE CRASH RATE IS X 752, IT'S OVER THE STATE LEVEL, WHERE DO THE FATALITIES AND THESE SERIOUS INJURIES COME INTO? IS THAT JUST KIND OF ADDITIONAL? YES, I WOULD SAY THOSE ARE MORE SO ADDITIONAL FACTORS FOR CONSIDERATION.

THE PRIMARY WAY THAT WE LOOK AT THIS DATA IS COMPARING THAT THE OBSERVED 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED.

SO HERE WE HAD A 43, WHICH IS THIS THIS IS ONE THAT TEXAS COULD COME BACK AND AND WE'RE OUTSIDE THEIR 12 MILE AN HOUR LIMIT.

SO OUR 85TH PERCENTILE IS 43.

WE HAD THAT CRASHES IN EXCESS.

SO IN THIS CASE, WE'RE BY SAYING 30, WE'RE RECOMMENDING POSTING 13 MILES AN HOUR BELOW THE 85TH PERCENTILE BASED UPON THEIR STANDARDS.

THAT'S RIGHT. EXACTLY.

AND THAT'S IN STATE LAW.

SO THEY'RE FOLLOWING STATE LAW THERE IN THAT CASE, MAKING A MORE AGGRESSIVE RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE OF THE SEVERITY OF CRASHES.

AND WE JUST HAD A PRETTY SEVERE PEDESTRIAN CRASH IN THAT AREA.

SO IT'S IT'S A PRETTY AGGRESSIVE RECOMMENDATION IN THAT ONE SINGULAR CASE BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY OUTCOMES THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THAT CORRIDOR.

SURE. IN OTHER CASES, IT WOULD IT MAY HAVE BEEN MORE OF A CLEAR CUT.

WE'VE GOT A GOOD CORRELATION BETWEEN THE OBSERVED SPEED AND WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING.

SO IT WAS KIND OF A QUALITATIVE ASSESSMENT AS WE LOOK AT THE DATA, COMPARING WHAT'S THE OBSERVED 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED, WAS THE CURRENT POSTED SPEED AND FATALITIES IN GENERAL, FATALITIES AND SERIOUS INJURIES WEREN'T A SIGNIFICANT FACTOR.

BUT WHERE WE HAD KIND OF THESE REALLY HIGH RATES, IF WE HAD A FATALITY OR A A LOT OF SERIOUS INJURIES, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LEAN ON THAT.

AS TEX DOT REVIEWS THIS MATERIAL TO SAY, WELL, YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU, WE'RE OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF WHAT YOU SAY IN STATE LAW.

BUT THOSE SEVERE INJURY RATE IN THIS CASE IS REALLY HIGH.

SO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO ADDRESS SAFETY IN THAT AREA.

AND THEN. I SAID, WHICH ONE OF THESE IS? I'M TRYING TO SEE CAROL BOULEVARD.

MAYBE I'LL GO DOWN TO THE LOCUST STREET, WHICH IS ON THE SAME THE SAME SLIDE IN THE BACK OF HIS PAGE 16 OF THE ACTUAL STUDY.

IT SHOWS THAT LOCUSTS FROM EAGLE DRIVE UP 77, WHICH I PRESUME THAT'S LOCUST UP TO SHERMAN DRIVE FARMERS MARKET ROAD FOR I MEAN THE WHOLE THE WHOLE SEGMENT FROM EAGLE DRIVE NORTH THROUGH THE SQUARE.

CORRECT. IS BEING RECOMMENDED TO GO FROM 30 TO 25.

AND SO I GUESS WHEN I LOOK AT THE 100 AND BASED UPON YOUR YOUR YOUR EXPLANATION JUST NOW, THE 160 CRASHES

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CORRECT. SO YOU'RE SAYING BASED UPON SOME TEXT TABLE FROM EAGLE DRIVE TO SHERMAN DRIVE, THAT MEANS THAT'S TELLING ME WHAT? WHAT DOES THAT TELL ME? THAT IT'S THAT SECTION OF THAT STREET IN OUR CITY IS PERFORMING INCREDIBLY POORLY BECAUSE WE'RE NOW BEYOND I INDEXED EVERYTHING THREE TIMES THE STATEWIDE RATE AND ABOVE BECAUSE A STREET LIKE THIS IS WAY IN EXCESS OF THE STATEWIDE RATE.

WE DO HAVE IN THAT CORRIDOR SEVERAL CONCENTRATED AREAS OF CRASHES.

SO THERE ARE THERE'S KIND OF A TREND THAT WE CAN LOOK AT FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE TO TRY AND ADDRESS THE BULK OF THOSE CRASHES.

BUT IT'S IT'S A LOT OF CRASHES THAT ARE OCCURRING IN THAT CORRIDOR.

IT'S ALSO A MORE PEDESTRIANIZED AREA.

IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO PEDESTRIANIZE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AS WE SEE MORE DEVELOPMENT OCCUR.

AND JUST BASICALLY THAT'S ONE OF THOSE STREETS THAT BASED ON HOW IT'S PERFORMING AND HOW POORLY IT'S PERFORMING, TO BE QUITE FRANK, WE NEED TO TO ADDRESS SPEED AND 25, WHICH YOU'LL SEE WHEN WE GET INTO RESIDENTIAL 25 IS KIND OF THE LOWER BOUND THAT WE CAN SET AS A SPEED LIMIT.

SO ELM STREET, THOUGH, WHICH IS IS THAT IS THAT A TEXTILE ROAD, CORRECT.

YEAH. ELM AND LOCUST REPAIR.

SURE. I WAS GOING THROUGH HERE AND I DIDN'T SEE.

IS THAT ALSO RECOMMENDED.

YES. ELM AND LOCUST OAK AND HICKORY ALL RECOMMENDED FOR 25.

SO FROM ELM FROM WHERE IT WAS.

SAME LIMITS. SO THAT BEAGLE FORT WORTH UP TO SHERMAN.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

AND I'M TRYING TO I HAD A QUESTION, BUT IT JUST IT JUST SLIPPED MY MIND.

DANG IT. OKAY.

WELL, THAT'S HELPFUL BECAUSE IT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT.

AND SO WHAT WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE SEEING OR WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO OBVIOUSLY GET THE CRASHES DOWN.

ANYTHING WE CAN DO WITHIN I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY FATALITIES AND SERIOUS INJURIES ARE THINGS WE WANT TO AVOID AT ALL COSTS.

WHAT WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY, THOUGH, WAS THAT IS A FACTOR.

BUT IF IT'S IT'S NOT THE PRIMARY DECIDING FACTOR, UNLESS IT'S A HIGH NUMBER, UNLESS IT'S IF YOU'VE GOT YOU'VE GOT SO MANY SERIOUS INJURIES AND A FATALITY, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I WAS THINKING, BECAUSE WHEN I WHEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST.

AND MR. CITY ATTORNEY, IF THIS GOES BEYOND POSTING, JUST CALL ME OUT.

WE'VE TALKED IN THE PAST ABOUT CERTAIN ROAD CLOSURES THAT ARE PARALLEL TO LOCUST AND ELM.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TIME FOR TRAVEL AND THINGS.

SO IT WAS BELLE AVENUE FROM EAGLE DRIVE UP THROUGH UNIVERSITY.

I THINK THAT'S A UNIVERSITY ROAD.

SO THAT WAS 20 MILES AN HOUR ANYWAY, IS THAT CORRECT? BELL IS INCLUDED IN THE STUDY WITH EXCEPTION OF THE PORTION THROUGH TWU, WHICH IS A UNIVERSITY STREET.

SO THAT'S THE POLICY.

BUT WE DID STUDY THE ADJACENT SECTIONS AND THOSE MAINTAIN THE CURRENT SPEED LIMIT, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

SO DO WE HAVE AN IDEA AS FAR AS WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS? LET'S JUST TAKE A LOOK, FOR INSTANCE, TO GO FROM ELM OR FROM EAGLE TO SHERMAN DRIVE WITH THE CURRENT POSTING AND THE CURRENT LIGHTS AND THE SIGNALING AND SO FORTH.

WE DROP IT DOWN TO 25 MILES AN HOUR, LET'S SAY.

IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING.

IS IT DE MINIMIS ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT ADDS? I MEAN, DO WE DO WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF DATA ON THAT? THE TIME FRAME, LIKE FROM WHAT WE'RE DRIVING ON 35 ALL THE WAY UP TO UNIVERSITY DRIVE, IF WE'RE GOING FROM 30 TO OR 35 TO 30, DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER THAT TAKES? AND TRAVELING THAT DISTANCE, I'D SAY ANECDOTALLY, OFTEN MINIMAL CHANGES LIKE THIS DON'T SIGNIFICANTLY INFLUENCE TRAVEL TIMES.

WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT MORE IF THAT'S SOMETHING LIKE BACK ON A MINUTE OR SO.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO BE WAITING FIVE OR 10 MINUTES.

PRETTY INCONSEQUENTIAL. YEAH.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HOW MUCH LONGER IS YOUR OTHER PRESENTATION? IT'S FIVE SLIDES, I THINK, AND IT'S PRETTY HIGH LEVEL.

ALL RIGHT. 16 MINUTES TO.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS. THANK YOU.

MAYOR, I THINK THIS ONE IS QUICK AND IT MIGHT EVEN BE AN OFFLINE ANSWER, BUT IT IS PARTICULARLY THIS PORTION.

I KIND OF HELD OFF EARLIER ON TALKING ABOUT PARTICULAR STREETS.

BUT NOW THAT WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT METHODOLOGIES AND APPLICATION, THERE'S REALLY ONLY ONE OUTLIER ON CITY STREETS FOR ME, AND THAT'S BONNIE BRAE FROM VINTAGE TO 377.

AND THE REASON WHY IT'S AN OUTLIER FOR ME, I'M USING THAT WORD LIKE IT'S A TERM OF ART.

I DON'T MEAN IT LIKE AN ACTUAL STATISTICAL OUTLIER.

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WE HAVE IT RECOMMENDED TO INCREASE FROM 30 TO 45.

RIGHT NOW, THE TRAFFIC FLOW THERE, I'M SURE THAT 85TH PERCENTILE FULLY JUSTIFIES THAT INCREASE BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE TWO LANE, PRACTICALLY RURAL KIND OF ROAD AND CHARACTER RIGHT NOW.

BONNIE BRAE IF YOU'RE GOING SOUTH FROM VINTAGE, WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY TO IMPROVE BONNIE BRAE NORTH OF THERE AND TAKE IT TO A FOUR LANE DIVIDED FACILITY.

AND THEN NOW WE CROSS OVER VINTAGE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE SMALLER FOR NOW.

IT WILL BE BIGGER LATER.

AND RIGHT NOW YOU TAKE BONNIE BRAE AND YOU CROSS A TRAIN, HIT A TRAIN CROSSING, AND THEN YOU'RE AT 377.

IN THE NEAR FUTURE, YOU WILL DEAD END INTO ALL RED, WHICH I GUESS WE'VE GOT THE WHOLE BRUSH CREEK SITUATION, ALL THAT.

BUT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT 45 MILES AN HOUR AND IT'LL BE A TEA STOP SIGN AS OPPOSED TO HOOKING YOU INTO A STATE HIGHWAY.

SO I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR, LEAVING OUT SOME OF THESE ROADS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED.

CONSTRUCTION ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, ARE GOING TO CHANGE IN CHARACTER.

IS THERE A PARTICULAR REASON WHY THAT SEGMENT OF BONNIE BRAE SHOULDN'T GO IN THE.

WE'LL CHECK ON YOU IN FIVE YEARS BUCKET INSTEAD OF THE LET'S SET A SPEED LIMIT TODAY BASED ON THE CURRENT CHARACTER OF THE ROAD.

YEAH. SO THAT ROAD SPECIFICALLY, YOU KIND OF ANSWERED THE QUESTION THE WAY THAT I WOULD ANSWER IT.

IT IS A IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR URBAN BOUNDARY.

SO APPLICATION OF THAT URBAN STANDARD IS COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE.

SO WE INHERITED THAT 30 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT.

REVIEWING IT RIGHT NOW DOESN'T INFLUENCE WHAT HAPPENS POST CONSTRUCTION.

AND THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD ABOUT LIKE TEASLEY.

SO WHAT HAPPENS TO TEASLEY ONCE TECH STOCK COMPLETES CONSTRUCTION AND OPENS IT UP? WELL, THEY HAVE TO STUDY THAT STREET TO ESTABLISH WHAT THE APPROPRIATE SPEED LIMIT IS AS THEY COMPLETE THEIR WIDENING WITH SIX LANES AND A MEDIAN TO ESTABLISH WHAT'S AN APPROPRIATE SPEED, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO POST IT AT 30, BUT THEY ALSO CAN'T POST IT AT 70.

WE WOULD GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS IF THEY POSTED IT AT 70, WHICH IS WHAT THE STATE LAW WOULD OUTLINE THEM TO DO THE PREMIUM FASCIA SPEED.

SO FOR A STREET LIKE THE BONNIE BRAE, IT'S IT'S REALLY AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THAT SPEED HAS BEEN POSTED ARBITRARILY AND IT REALLY SHOULD NOT BE POSTED ARBITRARILY.

THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY SUGGEST THAT 45 IS APPROPRIATE.

I COULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND A HIGHER SPEED, BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ENVIRONMENT THAT'S THERE TODAY, THAT'S PROBABLY THE STRONGEST AND BEST RECOMMENDATION.

AND LEAVING IT OUT WOULD JUST MEAN THAT ANY ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES ON THAT STREET WOULD NOT REALLY BE STRONG ANY ANY TIME THAT WE WOULD GO OUT TO ENFORCE THAT, IT JUST WOULDN'T REALLY THE SPEED LIMIT WOULD NOT REALLY BE APPROPRIATE.

SURE. AT 30 OR OR ENFORCEABLE AND I KNOW YOU'RE REFERRING TO THAT SOMEBODY WHO HAS A SPEEDING TICKET CAN FIND THIS SPEED STUDY ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND THEN WALK INTO COURT AND SAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT AN APPROPRIATE SPEED AS YOUR OWN DATA HAS SHOWN.

AND SO I'M NOT GUILTY OF THE OFFENSE AND YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO STRUCK ME A TICKET.

IT KIND OF DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION, THOUGH, ABOUT WHY CAN'T WE? YEAH, WHY CAN'T WE? IF WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT, WHY DON'T WE LEAVE THIS ONE OUT OF THE BUCKET FOR NOW, KNOWING IT'S GOING TO CHANGE IN CHARACTER AND SAVE THE MONEY? ON CHANGING THE SIGN.

IF WE'RE GOING TO STUDY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RESTUDY THAT LATER ON.

I'D SAY THAT'S WE CAN TAKE YOUR DIRECTION ON THAT.

IT WAS INCLUDED BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY LEFT OUT OF THE PRIOR STUDIES.

AND SO I TOOK THE DATA AND REPORTED BACK.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OK. ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'LL JUMP INTO THE SECOND PART OF THIS PRESENTATION.

SO YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE YOU'RE WATCHING LORD OF THE RINGS? RESIDENTIAL STREETS.

ALL RIGHT. SO I WANT TO START OFF THIS SECOND PART OF THE PRESENTATION WITH A REMINDER.

WE'RE FOCUSED ON A VISION ZERO APPROACH, FATAL AND SERIOUS INJURIES, AND DISCUSS RESIDENTIAL STREETS BECAUSE WE WANT TO REINFORCE WE'RE FOLLOWING THE DATA IN OUR CITYWIDE SPEED STUDY, RESIDENTIAL STREETS AS A POLICY DECISION.

SO WE'VE WORKED STAFF HAVE COLLABORATED A LOT ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU HERE TODAY ABOUT OUR AUTHORITY AND WHAT WE CAN DO WITH RESIDENTIAL STREETS.

WE'VE ALSO HEARD SOME THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN AUSTIN, SO WE'LL TRY AND ANECDOTALLY WORK THAT IN.

SO WE FEEL OUR AUTHORITY TO CHANGE SPEED LIMITS ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS IS LIMITED CURRENTLY TO 25 MILES AN HOUR.

I'M SURE SOME FOLKS WILL ASK ABOUT 20 MILES AN HOUR, BUT THAT'S WE DON'T FEEL WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY WITHIN STATE LAW TO DO THAT.

THAT'S BOTH A LEGAL AND STAFF OPINION OR ENGINEERING STAFF OPINION, ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS TO MAKE THE CHANGE TO OUR RESIDENTIAL SPEED LIMIT.

SO AGAIN, THAT'S A PRIMA FASCIA SPEED.

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IF YOU'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, YOU CAN DRIVE 30.

SO WE WOULD NEED TO GENERATE AN ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC INVESTIGATION, BASICALLY THE SAME KIND OF DOCUMENT, BUT A POLICY DRIVEN DOCUMENT THAT WOULD DISCUSS THE SAFETY RATIONALE, THE SAFETY JUSTIFICATION FOR LOWERING SPEEDS, LOWERING WITHIN THE CITY, THE PRIMA FASCIA SPEED ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS.

IT IS ALSO NECESSARY FOR THOSE STREETS TO BE POSTED.

SO SPEED LIMIT SIGNS NEED TO BE POSTED FOR THOSE SPEED LIMITS TO BE ENFORCEABLE.

BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE'RE CHANGING STATE LAW.

THERE'S AN EXPECTATION.

SO ANYBODY DRIVING IN THE CITY WHO'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH CITY OF DENTON WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT MESSAGING THAT IT'S 25 MILES AN HOUR TO HIGHLIGHT THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT INFLUENCE THE COST THAT WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU.

SO SPEED LIMIT SIGNS GENERALLY NEED TO BE POSTED AROUND EVERY 1000 FEET.

STATUTORY SPEED LIMIT OF 30 MILES AN HOUR DOESN'T NEED TO BE POSTED.

WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT TO EXPLAIN THE VAST INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF SIGNS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO INSTALL TO MAKE THAT SPEED LIMIT CLEAR.

SO WE ESTIMATED IT JUST A LITTLE OVER 600 SIGNS WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED AND AN ADDITION OF 7620 SIGNS WOULD BE NEEDED ON ALL RESIDENTIAL STREETS. WITHIN WITHIN THE URBANIZED PORTION OF THE CITY.

I EXCLUDED ANYTHING THAT'S IN OUR IN OUR MORE SUBURBAN RURAL AREA AT THAT TIME FRAME TO POST ALL THOSE SIGNS, BOTH THE REPLACEMENT AND INSTALLATION OF THE NEW SIGNS.

WE ESTIMATED ABOUT 18 TO 24 MONTHS AND THAT WOULD BE NEEDED BEFORE THOSE SPEED LIMITS WOULD GO INTO EFFECT.

THE APPROXIMATE COST RANGE.

SO THE SAME FORMAT THAT WE PRESENTED BEFORE.

SO JUST TO HIGHLIGHT, IT'S ABOUT 3.6 TO $4.4 MILLION OF CAPITAL COST TO REPLACE AND DO THE INSTALLATION OF SIGNS THAT INCLUDE SOME STAFF TIME TO OVERSEE THE EFFORT.

BUT PREDOMINANTLY THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE PRESENTING HERE ARE FOR CONTRACTORS TO GO IN AND DO THE INSTALLATION THAT WOULD REALLY BE NECESSARY TO BE TIMELY BECAUSE WE WOULD NEED TO GET THESE SIGNS OUT QUICKLY.

SO WE NEED TO MOBILIZE SOMEBODY WHO COULD DO IT QUICKLY.

ADDED MAINTENANCE COSTS ON THE ANNUAL BUDGET.

SO THIS IS TO REPLACE SIGNS OVER OUR TEN YEAR CYCLE.

SO THOSE ADDITIONAL SIGNS THAT WOULD ADD 120 TO 160000 ESTIMATED OR OUR OPINION, IF YOU WILL, OF WHAT THAT ANNUAL MAINTENANCE COST WILL BE ADDED TO OUR TRAFFIC OPERATIONS BUDGET.

ENFORCEMENT IS ANOTHER CONSIDERATION.

SO THERE'S SORT OF A TWO SIDES OF THIS COIN.

SO ONE IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TRAFFIC OFFICERS TO THEN START ENFORCING RESIDENTIAL SPEED OR RESPONDING TO RESIDENT COMPLAINTS SO ADDITIONAL OFFICERS WOULD BE NEEDED TO HELP WITH ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES IN OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS OR THE RESOURCES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WOULD BE REALLOCATED FROM THE AREAS THAT THEY ARE SERVING INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AS THEY'RE RESPONDING TO NEEDS.

SO IT'S KIND OF AN EITHER OR.

YOU COULD CERTAINLY HAVE A HYBRID THERE, BUT WOULD NEED MORE TRAFFIC OFFICERS IDEALLY TO MAKE THAT AN EFFECTIVE PROGRAM FROM AN ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE.

AND WITH THAT, I'VE CONCLUDED AND READY FOR QUESTIONS.

GREAT ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

MAYOR PRO TEM AND CATHERINE DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO AS WE ROLL OUT, WE'RE LOOKING AT IF WE DID IT ALL, A MILLION AND A HALF TO 2 MILLION A YEAR OVER A TWO YEAR TIME FRAME.

I NOTICED A LOT OF THAT IS SIGNAGE AND REQUIRED SIGNAGE.

BUT IN TERMS OF THE ENFORCEMENT COMPONENT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE FOCUSING ON SIGNAGE.

AND SOME OF THOSE COULD BE I THINK YOU REFERRED TO IT EARLIER AS SELF ENFORCING WITH ENGINEERING APPROACHES.

AND THE QUESTION I HAVE IS A, DO WE ARE WE TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT ENGINEERING APPROACHES AND BE.

AS WE WERE, IF WE WERE TO ROLL OUT SIGN CHANGES IN THE HIGH ACCIDENT SCI AREAS YOU MIGHT EXPECT TO SEE BECAUSE IT'S A DYNAMIC SYSTEM, VELOCITIES CHANGE AROUND.

IF YOU RING THE BELL IN ONE PLACE, IT'S GOING TO PROPAGATE TO OTHER PLACES.

AND SO.

DO WE HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT IF WE CAN REDUCE SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO 25 MILES AN HOUR, WE WILL GET CONCOMITANT ANCILLARY SPEED REDUCTIONS? AND SO ANSWER THOSE TWO QUESTIONS OF ANCILLARY SPEED REDUCTIONS FROM JUDICIOUS APPLICATION OF 25 MILES AN HOUR AS IN ADDITION TO ENGINEERING APPROACHES FOR SELF ENFORCEMENT. I'LL ANSWER PART OF THE FIRST QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT THE THE POSTING.

SO LAW REQUIRES US TO POST THE SIGNS FOR THEM FOR THE SPEED LIMIT TO BE EFFECTIVE.

THAT'S JUST IT'S THE WAY THE LAW READS.

SO WITHOUT POSTING THE SPEED LIMIT WOULD NOT BE EFFECTIVE TO SPEAK TO.

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WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH LEGAL ON THIS AND TO HIGHLIGHT THIS WOULD BE A POLICY DECISION AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAVE A SAFETY RATIONALE AND WE CAN'T SEND WE COULD NOT SEND A MIXED MESSAGE LIKE IT'S IT'S NOT SAFE IN THE CITY OF DENTON TO DRIVE MORE THAN 25 MILES AN HOUR IN RESIDENTIAL STREETS UNLESS YOU'RE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THAT WOULD BE FROM ENGINEERING'S PERSPECTIVE.

WE WOULD STRUGGLE TO MAKE THAT POLICY ARGUMENT IF WE WERE BEING JUDICIOUS IN WHERE WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AND NOT BEING JUDICIOUS UNIFORMLY.

WE NEED THAT TO BE UNIFORM ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY.

AND THE OTHER CHALLENGE WITH MAKING THAT POLICY ARGUMENT IS THAT WE ARE THEN ASSERTING THAT 25 MILES AN HOUR IS UNSAFE AND THAT THAT EXPECTATION APPLIES ACROSS THE STATE.

SO NOW WE'RE WE'RE SETTING A DIFFERENT POLICY AGENDA THAN ELSEWHERE IN THE STATE.

I DIDN'T SHARE THE WHAT I HIGHLIGHTED, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSIONS IN AUSTIN.

SO WE DO UNDERSTAND THERE ARE FOLKS IN AUSTIN WHO ARE LOBBYING, WHO ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO MAKE THIS POLICY CHANGE AT A STATEWIDE LEVEL.

WHAT I HEARD FROM JAY CROSSLEY, THE VISION ZERO FOLKS AT FARM AND CITY WAS THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A CHAMPION TO CARRY THAT POLICY CHANGE, TO ADOPT EITHER A 25 OR 20 MILE AN HOUR RESIDENTIAL SPEED LIMIT.

THEY'VE NOT REALLY HAD SUCCESS DOING THAT AT A STATEWIDE LEVEL.

SO THERE WOULD HE REFER TO AS A LOCAL OPTION, GIVING CITIES AT LEAST LEGAL CHANGE THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO MAKE THAT POLICY DECISION FOR THEMSELVES? THAT'S SOMETHING HE FEELS THERE'S PROBABLY MORE TRACTION.

IT STILL REQUIRES THAT RATIONALE WHERE WE'VE MADE AN ENGINEERING ARGUMENT, WE BELIEVE IT'S UNSAFE TO TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL STREETS ABOVE 25.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUR DECISION, THAT'S OUR POLICY DIRECTION.

BUT THEN WE NEED TO BE UNIFORM IN HOW WE APPLY THAT, BECAUSE IT'S IT'S SORT OF FUNDAMENTAL TO THAT BELIEF THAT IT SHOULD BE 25.

SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND IF WE ARE IF WE'RE SAYING THAT FOR OUR COLLECTORS AND ARTERIALS AND TEXTILES THAT WE'RE USING A COMBINATION OF ACCIDENT DATA AND SPEED STUDIES TO SAY THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THESE AREAS MERIT REDUCTION.

FROM THE PRIMA FACIE IT LEVELS.

WHY IS THAT NOT ALSO LEGALLY APPLICABLE TO NEIGHBORHOODS? IF YOU HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS AT 30 BUT NOT VERY MUCH ACCIDENTS FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE SIZE OF THE ROAD, INGENUITY OF THE ROAD, WHATEVER, VERSUS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAD THAT MET YOUR ACCIDENT STANDARD, MET YOUR TRAFFIC VELOCITY STANDARD IN THE SAME WAY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ARTERIALS.

WHY IS WHY IS THAT ALSO APPLICABLE THAT WE'RE APPLYING A SAFETY STANDARD TO GET BELOW? AND I'LL LEAVE THE DISCUSSION OF OF WHAT WE DO ABOUT AUSTIN TO TO SOMETHING ELSE LATER.

BUT IF WE COULD ADDRESS THE OTHER QUESTION.

YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS THIS IS A DECISION, THE RESIDENTIAL CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW.

IT'S A DECISION THAT WOULD BE PURELY POLICY BASED.

IT WOULDN'T HAVE AN INFLUENCE IN LIKE SAFETY OUTCOMES.

I WANTED TO PRESENT THE MAP TO HIGHLIGHT WHERE WE'RE SEEING THOSE SAFETY CHALLENGES THE HEAT MAP, THE FATAL AND SEVERE INJURY CRASHES.

TO SHOW THAT CORRELATION, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT SORT OF A CORRELATION IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

SO IT'S MORE OF A WHAT ARE WHAT ARE WE SEEING AT A FEDERAL OR BEST PRACTICE LEVEL LIKE WITHIN THE ENGINEERING INDUSTRY? WE'D HAVE TO MAKE OUR ARGUMENTS BASED ON POLICY, BASED ON BEST PRACTICES, BASED ON EMERGING GUIDANCE AND SPEED SETTING POLICIES.

AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REALLY NOT FOUNDED IN ANY ARGUMENTS THAT WE WOULD MAKE BASED ON DATA THAT WE OBSERVE BASED ON CRASH OUTCOMES.

BECAUSE IF WE IF WE GO DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AS STRONG OF AN ENGINEERING ARGUMENT FOR ANYTHING THAT WE'RE PUTTING FORWARD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY TO FIND CONTRADICTION WHEN YOU START INTRODUCING THAT DATA.

SO IT PURELY HAS TO BE POLICY DRIVEN AND BASED ON THE DESIRED OUTCOME THAT WE WANT TO SEE THOSE LOWER OPERATING SPEEDS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OK MINUTE 30 COUNCILMAN DAVIS SPEED ROUND.

WHEN YOU SAY OUR ARGUMENT, WHO IS OUR ARGUMENT WITH LIKE IF WE WERE HAVING TO JUSTIFY A DROP FROM 30 TO 25, WHICH WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE AUTHORITY FOR AND WE HAVEN'T, WE DON'T HAVE SPEED STUDIES AVAILABLE FOR ALL THOSE RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OR FOR A THE DATA TO SUPPORT A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN 30 OVER HERE AND 25 OVER THERE.

WHO ARE WE ARGUING WITH OR WHO WE PRESENTING THAT ARGUMENT TO? YEAH, SO OUR WE'D BE MAKING AN ENGINEERING ARGUMENT THAT OUR POLICY SUPERSEDES THE STATE'S POLICY FOR THEIR BLANKET PRIMA FASCIA SPEEDS.

WE'RE BASICALLY JUST SAYING WE WE FEEL IT IS UNSAFE TO HAVE A 30 MILE AN HOUR PRIMA FASCIA SPEED IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA FOR THESE REASONS AND OUTLINE WHAT THE RATIONALE IS, WHICH COULD BE A COMPARISON OF 50 STATES AND HOW HOW MANY STATES ADOPT 25 MILES AN HOUR AS APPROPRIATE.

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ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE IS NOT DATA AVAILABLE IN THE INDUSTRY TO SUPPORT THE SUPPOSITION THAT 25 MILES PER HOUR ARE SAFER IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAN 30 MILES PER HOUR? I WOULD SAY THAT I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE WOULD NEED TO DIVE INTO THAT POLICY OR DIVE INTO HOW WE WOULD MAKE THAT SAFETY RATIONALE.

I SHARED WITH KMO WHEN WE WERE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION THAT I BELIEVE A POLICY ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE, BUT HOW STRONGLY WE CAN ARGUE THAT POLICY IS GOING TO BE DEPENDENT ON SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH.

AND AND I DON'T I'M NOT PREPARED TO OFFER A RESPONSE YET IF, IF WE'RE HAVING A POLICY CONVERSATION AND IF THE JUSTIFICATION WOULD BE BASED UPON POLICY AND BEST PRACTICES. AND ONE ENGINEER'S OPINION, I GUESS I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MANY MORE ENGINEERS WHO SHARE THAT OPINION.

IS IT NOT POSSIBLE THEN TO TAKE A MORE PHASED APPROACH IF CITY WIDE ADOPTION IS 18 TO 24 MONTHS TO ORDER THE SIGNS AND PAY FOR THEM AND PUT THEM UP? IS IT NOT POSSIBLE TO TAKE A MORE PHASED APPROACH? YOU KNOW, THIS SECTOR OF THE CITY IS THIS YEAR IN THIS SECTOR IS THE NEXT YEAR, AND THIS SECTOR IS NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN IN THE INTERIM, YOU KNOW, ISSUE TICKETS, ISSUE WARNINGS AS OPPOSED TO TICKETS WHERE? WELL, REALLY, THIS IS A CITY STREET, REALLY.

THERE'S A THERE'S A CODE BURIED SOMEWHERE THAT YOU'VE NEVER SEEN IT THAT SAYS IT'S 25 MILES PER HOUR.

BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A SIGN.

SO WE'RE GOING TO WRITE YOU A WARNING.

AND THEN KIND OF FOLLOW UP TO THAT IS, DO WE NOT GET A LOT OF REQUESTS FROM RESIDENTS TO.

CAN YOU JUST PUT A SPEED LIMIT SIGN ON MY STREET? GOSH, PEOPLE ARE DRIVING 45 BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPEED LIMIT IS COMING OFF THIS OTHER FACILITY.

CAN YOU NOT JUST PUT A WE GET REQUESTS FOR THOSE ALL THE TIME.

SO IS THERE NOT A WAY TO PHASE IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OUT? SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DROP FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OVER THE COURSE OF A COUPLE OF YEARS.

I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, JUST TO BE CLEAR, BECKY IS SURE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE ENGINEERS MAKING AN ENGINEERING ARGUMENT AND IT'S FOUNDED IN SAFETY, WE HAVE TO THEN BACK UP THAT SAFETY DISCUSSION AND SAY THIS IS AN IMPERATIVE, IT IS TIMELY.

WE NEED TO MAKE THE THE DECISION THAT WE MAKE HAS A, YOU KNOW, A TIME OUTCOME OR WE'RE SAYING IT HAS SOME LEVEL OF IMMEDIACY.

SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN SIMPLY, IF WE'RE MAKING THAT ARGUMENT THAT IT'S UNSAFE, SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO THEN SPREAD IT OUT OVER TIME.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT COULD THIS BE, YOU KNOW, SPREAD OUT OVER MULTIPLE YEARS? I'LL JUMP IN QUICKLY.

I THINK WHAT NATHAN JUST SAID IS RIGHT ON THAT AS AN ENGINEERING SIDE, AS FAR AS THE ENGINEERING DETERMINATION IS GOING TO BE, IS IT SAFE TO HAVE IS 25 MILE PER HOUR OR 30 MILE PER HOUR SAFE? SO IT IS GOING TO BE BLANKET AS FAR AS WHAT IT IS, I THINK WHEN WE GET INTO TRYING TO PASS WHERE WE PUT UP SIGNS AND WHERE WE ENFORCE, I THINK THAT PUTS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IN A REALLY TOUGH SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO IN IF WE HAVE IT, IT'S GOT TO BE IT'S 25, BUT WE'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE IT IN CERTAIN AREAS.

IT BECOMES REALLY DIFFICULT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHY YOU CAME UP, CHIEF, TO.

I THINK THAT WAS VERY ELOQUENTLY STATED.

THANK YOU, DAVID. IT DOES PUT US IN A VERY PRECARIOUS SITUATION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SELECTIVELY ENFORCE AND WRITE CITATIONS IN CERTAIN AREAS, IN ON CERTAIN ROADWAYS AND NOT IN OTHERS. THE PERCEPTION WOULD BE THAT IT'S OKAY FOR US TO SPEED IN THESE AREAS AND GET A WARNING.

BUT IF I SPEED ON LINE 35 OR AN ARTERIAL, THEN I'M GOING TO GET A CITATION WHICH THEN PUTS OUR PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE KIND OF IN A STICKY SITUATION AS WELL AS A JUDGE.

WELL, JUST TO BE REALLY CLEAR, WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS NOT YOU KNOW, YOU GET A TICKET OVER HERE, NOT OVER HERE, BUT THE CITYWIDE WITHIN A CERTAIN RANGE OF AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THE CITY COUNCIL CAN DECIDE.

THIS WOULD BE A A POLICE DEPARTMENT DISCRETION KIND OF THING.

BUT IT COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT WITHIN A CERTAIN RANGE, FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, WE'RE ISSUING WARNINGS INSTEAD OF TICKETS.

BUT I'LL SAY THIS BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE OUT OF TIME.

I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A VERY, VERY BUSY DOCKET ON THE CITY COUNCIL.

THIS FEELS LIKE A SEPARATE WORK SESSION.

THIS FEELS LIKE IF THE QUESTION IS, IS IT SAFER TO HAVE STREETS AT THIS SPEED LIMIT, BUT YOUR PRICE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY US FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.

THAT'S JUST FEELS LIKE A BIGGER QUESTION.

AND I'M NOT SURE I LIKE MY MY OPTIONS TODAY TO GIVE DIRECTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

SO THAT'S JUST JUST MY OPINION.

BUT IT FEELS LIKE WE NEED ANOTHER MORE INFORMATION IN ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS PIECE.

SPECIFICALLY, IF I COULD JUMP IN, GET GOOD NEWS FOR YOU.

WE ALREADY HAVE ON THE WORK SECTION MATRIX TO FOLLOW UP FOR THIS DISCUSSION IN A COUPLE OF MEETINGS.

SO WE'LL BRING THIS BACK AND WE CAN HAVE IF THERE'S ANY IF THERE'S ANY LAST QUESTIONS THAT WE COULD THAT COULD HELP US FACILITATE THAT DISCUSSION.

BUT WE HAVE THAT ALREADY, ALREADY PLANNED TO HAVE THAT FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION.

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THANK YOU. YEAH. I WOULD JUST REQUEST THAT WHEN WE RETURN TO THE QUESTION OF RESIDENTIAL SPEED LIMITS, THAT WE MAYBE KIND OF SEPARATE OUT DIRECTION POINTS BETWEEN SETTING A 25 MILE PER HOUR RESIDENTIAL SPEED LIMIT AND GETTING NEW SIGNAGE.

AND I WOULD POSIT THAT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE LOWER THE RESIDENTIAL SPEED LIMIT OR NOT, EVEN IF WE MAINTAIN IT AT 30 MILES PER HOUR, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT REQUIRED BY STATE STATUTE TO POST EVERY 1000 FEET, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO IT ANYWAY.

AND SEEING THIS THIS FRAMING OF, WELL, IF WE LOWERED THE SPEED LIMIT TO 25 MILES PER HOUR IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WE WOULD NEED TO REPLACE 606 SIGNS AND ADD 7620 NEW SIGNS.

THAT TELLS ME THAT WE'RE MISSING 7200 AND OR 620 SIGNS THAT WE MAY WANT TO PUT UP REGARDLESS OF WHAT DECISION WE MAKE ABOUT THE THE THE SPEED LIMIT.

SO IF WE COULD INCLUDE THAT IN THE NEXT WORK SESSION, I APPRECIATE THAT.

ANYONE ELSE. SO I DIDN'T GET TO ASK QUESTIONS.

I'LL LEAVE THEM WITH YOU AND FOLLOW BACK UP WITH YOU.

THANK YOU. SO ONE IS I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW YOU HANDLE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES IN THE CRASH REPORTS.

SO TECH STOCK REPORTS, ONE IN FIVE ARE DUE TO DISTRACT THE DRIVERS.

RIGHT. SO THAT WOULD HAVE NO EFFECT ON SPEED.

IF YOU'RE DISTRACTED, YOU CAN BE GOING TEN MILES PER HOUR AND HIT SOMETHING.

RIGHT. SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT FACTORS IN.

I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE REPORT.

I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE CHECKBOXES OF THINGS TO BE CAPTURED.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LATITUDE, LONGITUDE, THOSE THINGS IN THAT CHART, I DIDN'T SEE IT THERE TO CAPTURE THAT.

SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU HANDLE THAT.

I WANT TO UNDERSTAND MAHLE, BECAUSE THERE'S CHANGES COMING THERE, RIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BRIDGE.

I JUST KIND OF WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BETTER.

AND THEN I THINK YOU SHOULD TO VISUALS NOW WORK IN VISUALS FOR BECAUSE HERE'S WHAT I'M HEARING.

EVERY STREET THAT I HEAR RESIDENTS COMPLAIN ABOUT SPEEDING OR NOT SPEEDING, RESIDENTS COMPLAIN ABOUT AS FAR AS DIFFICULTY GETTING BY, CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES, ETC., ETC..

I HEAR A LOT MORE OF THAT.

RIGHT. AND WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS A LOT MORE OF THAT.

RIGHT. UNDERSTAND? RIGHT. YOU'RE SAYING, HEY, YOU GOT TO MAKE THE STREETS SMALLER TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.

I'M HEARING A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT SLOWER STREETS, SMALLER SPACES TO DRIVE.

AND SO TO THAT END, I WOULD RECOMMEND SOME SORT OF MODEL, SOME SORT OF VISUAL THAT YOU TAKE WITH YOU THAT YOU START NOW, WE NEED TO START PUMPING THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT THEN ALLOWS THE CITIZENS TO GIVE US EDUCATED FEEDBACK VERSUS, HEY, I WANT YOU TO SLOW DOWN THIS STREET AND THEN, HEY, THIS STREET IS TOO SMALL, RIGHT? THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

IF WE DON'T START COMMUNICATING CLEARLY TO PEOPLE WHAT ROAD ENGINEERING ALL THESE SOPHISTICATED TERMS MEANS, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT SLOWER OR WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT SMALLER SO THAT YOU CAN'T GET BY.

RIGHT. AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION NOW VERSUS AFTER WE'VE SPENT MILLIONS DOING THOSE THINGS.

AND THEN JUST FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG A 1000 FEET BASED AND I'M JUST A VISUAL GUY, RIGHT? AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THAT ONE.

GOOGLE SAID IT'S A CRUISE SHIP.

IT'S ABOUT 1000 FEET.

SO THAT ALONG, LET'S SAY, LIKE FOREST RIDGE DRIVE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S A TON OF SIGNS EVERY 1000 FEET.

AND SO I THINK BEFORE YOU COME BACK WITH THAT, WE NEED TO HAVE I MEAN, AND THAT COULD BE DONE DIGITALLY AS WELL.

JUST A SATELLITE VIEW, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF ANGRY, VERY ANGRY RESIDENTS.

IF YOU START DIGGING UP PEOPLE'S HOUSES, THEIR FRONT YARD EVEN OPENS IN THE EASEMENT.

THEY DON'T TREAT IT THAT WAY.

RIGHT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND IF YOU DO THAT EVERY THOUSAND FEET ALONG FOREST RIDGE BOULEVARD OR JUST ANY PICK YOUR ROAD.

RIGHT, IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.

AND SO I THINK A VISUAL OF WHAT THAT DISCUSSION LOOKS LIKE SO THAT AGAIN, WE CAN GET FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS AND MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION WOULD BE CRITICAL BEFORE WE GIVE DIRECTION, SOME GIVE DIRECTION OR START HAVING THAT DISCUSSION WITHOUT THAT FEEDBACK WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC FOR ME SO WE CAN COME BACK WITH THOSE THINGS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT PRESENTATION.

[C. Receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding the Economic Development Partnership and the contract between the City of Denton and the Denton Chamber of Commerce. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 1 hour]]

TEXAS ITEM C ID 221640 OR C REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP AND THE CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON AND THE DENTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

WE HAVE WAYNE EMERSON AND AARON CARTER COMING IN FOR THIS ONE.

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WAYNE EMERSON, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND GET SOME DIRECTION ON.

OH, YEAH, I'LL PULL THAT UP.

HEY, DAN, HOW'S IT GOING? GOOD, GOOD, GOOD.

YOU KNOW, HE'S JUST PULLING UP KILLING TIME.

I FIGURED I COULD PICK ON YOU.

YEAH, OK.

WAYNE. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE HERE, AND WE BROUGHT OUR FRIENDS AND PARTNERS WITH THE DENTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE DETROIT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP. AND SO TODAY, A, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING THEIR ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH IS PART OF THEIR CURRENT AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH THEM THAT'S GOING TO EXPIRE ON SEPTEMBER 30TH.

AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL HERE ABOUT DOING A NEW CONTRACT MOVING FORWARD. BUT WE CAN DO THAT AT THE END.

BUT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. DAN ROSENTHAL.

AWESOME. THANK YOU, WAYNE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

APPRECIATE YOU HAVING US TODAY.

I'M EXCITED TO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT WE'VE BEEN WHAT WE'VE BEEN UP TO OVER THE PAST YEAR AT THE PARTNERSHIP AND OUR PLANS GOING FORWARD.

SO HERE WE GO. SO THE MISSION OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP IS TO EXPAND THE CITY'S TAX BASE.

AND WE DO THAT THROUGH THE CREATION AND CREATION OF JOBS.

AND WE HAVE THREE TACTICS BY DOING THAT TARGETED MARKETING, STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS ACROSS THE REGION TO HELP TELL THE STORY OF DENTON AND STAKEHOLDER EDUCATION.

WE FALL UNDER SIX BUCKETS.

SO FIRST OFF, WE MARKET DENTON'S ASSETS.

THAT'S ITS PROPERTIES, ITS PEOPLE, AND THE AMAZING THINGS DENTON HAS TO OFFER TO PROSPECTIVE COMPANIES AND SITE SELECTORS AND DEVELOPERS.

WE WORK AT THE INTERSECTION OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE, CONNECTING THOSE TO THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTORS.

WE'RE THE BROKER FOR NEW BUSINESS INFORMATION, SO NEW BUSINESSES, COMPANIES, DEVELOPERS, SITE SELECTORS ARE INTERESTED IN COMING TO DENTON AND INVESTING IN OUR CITY.

WE PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION AND WORK WITH THEM THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

WE NAVIGATE PROSPECTS, COMPANIES INTERESTED, WE CONVENE INDUSTRY PLAYERS AND WE SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS.

SO I'M JUST GOING REALLY QUICKLY GO THROUGH.

I PROMISE I'LL BE QUICKER AND MORE INTERESTING THAN THE SPEED STUDY.

MARK DENTON'S ASSETS.

WE THANK YOU.

MARK GOODWIN'S ASSET.

OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE ATTENDED SEVEN MARKETING EVENTS TELLING DENTON STORY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE LOGOS THAT YOU'VE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE PAGE.

WE'VE HAD THREE COMMUNITY PRESENTATIONS AND WE'VE ENGAGED 150 PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT BROKERS, SITE SELECTORS AND DEVELOPERS OR TRADITIONAL AUDIENCE, BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTIVELY TELLING THE STORY OF DENTON THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND REALLY ACROSS THE WORLD.

SO CAPITAL FACTORY, WHICH IS A BRITISH TECH ORGANIZATION, THE DALLAS REGIONAL CHAMBER OF FORT WORTH CHAMBER URBAN INSTITUTE.

WE ALSO OVER THE PAST YEAR HAVE REALLY INCREASED AND BUILT OUT OUR MARKETING DELIVERABLES.

SO WHENEVER COMPANIES, PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN EXPANDING TO DENTON, WE HAVE A CONSISTENT, POSITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL IMAGE THAT WE CAN SHARE ABOUT OUR CITY.

SO REPRESENTATIVE OF SOME OF THE MARKETING MATERIALS THAT AARON PASSED OUT JUST A MINUTE AGO.

SOME THINGS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS.

WE'RE GOING TO BE PUBLISHING A WORKFORCE GUIDE SO COMPANIES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN AND RELOCATING HERE, THEY HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER AND WHAT THE CITY HAS TO OFFER IN TERMS OF WORKFORCE RESOURCES AND HOW TO GROW AND SCALE THEIR BUSINESS.

WE'RE ALSO PARTNERING WITH GOLDEN SHOVEL AGENCY, WHICH IS THE INDUSTRY LEADER IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MARKETING FOR A COMPLETE WEBSITE REDESIGN.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE FUTURE OF TELLING DENTON STORIES IS GOING TO BE DIGITAL AND LEVERAGING DIGITAL MARKETING ASSETS.

OVER THE PAST YEAR, THOSE ASSETS HAVE SEEN 34,000 WEBSITE VIEWS WITH 20,000 UNIQUE VISITORS, 59% OF WHOM CAME FROM DIRECT SOURCES AND BRAND RECOGNITION. SO PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP.

THEY SEE US AS A RESOURCE AND A VALUABLE PART OF THE STORY AND WANT TO ENGAGE WITH US TO KNOW HOW TO BEST NAVIGATE DENTON AND HOW TO BEST INVEST IN OUR CITY. AND IN ADDITION, WE'VE INVESTED AND COMMITTED $70,000 OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IN ONLINE AND DIGITAL MARKETING ASSETS.

SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

AND OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS WE'LL BE ROLLING OUT THAT WEBSITE AND YOU CAN HELP SPREAD THAT AS WELL BECAUSE WE WANT THAT TO BE THE ONE STOP SHOP DOT COM FOR ANY COMPANY INTERESTED IN GROWING, EXPANDING OR RELOCATING HERE SMALL, MEDIUM OR LARGE BUSINESS.

WE NAVIGATE PROSPECTS.

SO OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE FACILITATED 257 LEADS.

WE'VE SUBMITTED 54 CUSTOM PROPOSALS OF DIFFERENT LAND, BUILDINGS, PROPERTIES, AND WE'VE INDIVIDUALLY ENGAGED 105 COMPANIES AND BROKERS.

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AND THOSE ARE THE EXACT METRICS TAKEN FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH GUIDES ALL OF OUR WORK.

SO ALL OF OUR WORK WE LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE METRICS THAT THE CITY HAS DEFINED AS AS WHAT THEY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.

AND ALL OF OUR WORK FACILITATES THAT.

THIS IN TURN HAS GENERATED A 5% VACANCY RATE IN INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES AROUND THE CITY, WHICH IS LOWER THAN THE METROPLEX AVERAGE, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING.

SO DENTON'S IN DEMAND.

PEOPLE WANT TO BE HERE AND IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE THAT AS SEAMLESS AS POSSIBLE.

BROUGHT OF THIS. THIS REALLY SHOWS KIND OF THE PROCESS AND HOW THE DENTON CHAMBER AND THE PARTNERSHIP PLAYS A ROLE IN NEW COMPANIES THAT EXPAND HERE.

SO WE REALLY ARE THAT FIRST TOUCHPOINT.

TYPICALLY IF THEY DON'T DIRECTLY ENGAGE WITH THE CITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TEAM.

SO WE HELP WITH THAT SITE SELECTION, THE BROKER REFERRAL, FACILITATING SITE VISITS AND SERVE AS THAT FRONT PORCH OF DENTON OFFERING THAT SALES TOUCH THAT COMPANIES WANT.

THE SECOND IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE WAINSTEIN COMES IN AND THAT'S THE INCENTIVES, THE GRANTS DEVELOPMENT CHALLENGES AND DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS THEY ENSURE THAT THEY BUILD THAT TOOLBOX SO THAT WE CAN GO OUT AND SELL AND COMMUNICATE DENTON TO OTHER COMPANIES.

THE THIRD STEP IS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, PERMITTING PLANNING.

SO THAT'S WHERE A COMPANY WOULD COME IN, GET THEIR SEO AND ACTUALLY MAKE AN INVESTMENT HERE IN DENTON.

AND FINALLY, ONCE A COMPANY HAS LANDED HERE, WE REACH OUT TO PRETTY MUCH EVERY SINGLE COMPANY, CONNECT THEM TO RESOURCES, GET THEM ACQUAINTED AND IDEALLY FIND THEM LOCAL PROVIDERS SO THAT ONCE THEY COME HERE, THEY'RE SHOPPING, LOCAL INVESTING, LOCAL, HIRING LOCAL.

PUBLIC PRIVATE CONNECTOR.

SO I THINK BEING PART OF A CHAMBER, WE ARE REALLY ABLE TO WORK AT BOTH THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTORS WORKING TOGETHER.

SO OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE BUILT RELATIONSHIPS WITH T.W.

AND NCTC CAREER CENTERS, IDENTIFYING 15 PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.

WE'VE SECURED IT THREE DENTON EMPLOYERS FOR ENGAGEMENT IN THE TEXAS WORKFORCE COMMISSION SECTOR ANALYSIS.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE OVER THE REST OF THE PAGE, OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S DENTON CORPORATE REPRESENTATION AND A LOT OF THE PUBLIC SECTOR WORK THAT'S BEING DONE ACROSS THE REGION. WE REALLY FEEL THAT WE'RE THE REPRESENTATIVES OF DENTON ACROSS THE METROPLEX AND WE IDENTIFY WAYS THAT OUR EMPLOYER, EMPLOYERS CAN HAVE A SAY AND MAKE AN INDENT IN IN THE FUTURE OF DENTON.

WE ALSO REIGNITED THE RELATIONSHIP WITH NCTC.

SO OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE IDENTIFIED DENTON EMPLOYERS FOR SOME OF THEIR INDUSTRY BOARDS.

WE INITIATED A HYPERLOCAL PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR CURRICULUM TEAM.

WE ADVOCATE FOR A HALF MILLION DOLLAR WORKFORCE GRANTS, AND WE BROKER THREE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.

NCTC RIGHT NOW HAS ONE CAMPUS IN DOWNTOWN DENTON AND WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE THEIR EXPOSURE TO DENTON BUSINESSES AND THE CITY.

SO WE'RE EXCITED THAT WE INITIATED THAT.

WE CONVENE INDUSTRY PLAYERS.

SO OVER THE PAST YEAR WE HELD THREE EVENTS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT CRITICAL TOPICS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK WHY THESE ARE SO VALUABLE IS IN ADDITION TO TALKING ABOUT REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUES SUCH AS THE FUTURE OF EDUCATION, WHERE YOU SAW THE UNIVERSITY PRESIDENTS AND DR. WILSON EVENT SPEAK THESE THESE ARE TOUCHPOINTS THAT WE USE TO INVITE PROSPECTIVE COMPANIES, DEVELOPERS WHO MAYBE THEIR ONLY INTERACTION WITH DENTON IS AT 401 NORTH ELM IN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING TO GET A PERMIT.

BUT WE CAN ACTUALLY HELP TELL THE STORY AND HELP WHEN THEY'RE SELLING DENTON WE CAN HELP THEM AND EMPOWER THEM.

SO OVER THESE PAST THREE EVENTS, WE HAD 300 ATTENDEES TALKING ABOUT CRITICAL TOPICS WITH A REGION WIDE IMPACT.

IN ADDITION, THE PARTNERSHIP ALSO FUNDS AND FACILITATES DENTON ACCESS TO THE SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTER.

THIS IS FREE NO COST COUNSELING TO ANY DENTON BUSINESS.

OVER THE PAST YEAR THEY SERVE 600 CLIENTS, INVESTING 27 MILLION INTO LOCAL ECONOMY.

AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SERVING THE NEEDS OF THE DENTON BUSINESS COMMUNITY SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT COMPANIES TO WORK TO ATTRACT, WHAT COMPANIES TO TARGET.

WE HAVE TO BE AT THE PULSE OF THE DENTON BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE ENGAGED 80 DIFFERENT BUSINESSES SMALL, MEDIUM, LARGE IN ALL FOUR OF THE CITY'S STRATEGIC GROWTH AREAS.

OUR WORK IS PARTIALLY FUNDED BY THE CITY, BUT A LOT OF OUR WORK IS PRIVATELY FUNDED.

AND THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF OUR TIME HAS TO BE SPENT DOING, BECAUSE WE ARE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO RAISE $125,000 FROM INVESTORS.

THEY ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

97 BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTOR ORGANIZATIONS INVEST IN OUR WORK, RANGING FROM THE UNIVERSITIES, SMALL FAMILY RUN BUSINESSES SUCH AS ADAMS, EXTERMINATING NONPROFITS SUCH AS DENTON AND COMMUNITY INSTITUTIONS SUCH AS TCU.

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ORGANIZE INDUSTRIAL ROUNDTABLE.

WE FEEL THAT A LOT OF OUR MAJOR EMPLOYERS ARE SOMEWHAT DISCONNECTED AND WE WANT TO FIND WAYS THAT WE CAN SHARE RESOURCES, ENGAGE THEM IN THE COMMUNITY AND HELP THEM WITH THE TALENT PIPELINES. AND THEN WE ALSO WANT TO HAVE A COMPLETE MARKETING COLLATERAL BUILD OUT.

SO WHENEVER WE'RE COMMUNICATING THE DENTON STORY, WHENEVER PEOPLE FROM THE CITY, CITY COUNCIL, WHOEVER IS COMMUNICATING DENTON STORY, THERE'S CONSISTENT, HIGH QUALITY PROFESSIONAL MARKETING.

I THINK I DID PRETTY WELL THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION OF LIMITING THE NUMBER OF WORDS ON MY SLIDES, EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE.

BUT I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT CLEARLY LAYS OUT WHAT THE FOUR CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND DIRECTLY HOW OUR EFFORTS AT THE CHAMBER'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM SUPPORT THE GROWTH AND EXPANSION OF DENTON.

SO WE CONNECT NEW BUSINESSES.

WE DEVELOP THESE PIPELINES THAT ARE CRITICAL FOR EMPLOYERS SMALL, MEDIUM AND LARGE.

WE IDENTIFY REAL ESTATE FOR COMPANIES THAT ARE RELOCATING, EXPANDING OR GROWING HERE IN DENTON, AND WE ALSO PROVIDE FUNDING AND SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS HERE IN THE CITY.

AND THAT THE RESULT OF THAT IS COMPANIES ARE CONTINUING TO INVEST, LOCAL SHOPPING, LOCAL, THEY'RE STAYING IN DENTON AND DOLLARS AND JOBS COME INTO THEN AND STAY HERE.

AND THAT'S IF YOU WANT TO EMAIL ME AND I'LL PASS IT OVER TO WAYNE, I GUESS.

YEAH. YOU MAY HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

OH. ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS? MAYOR PRO TEM.

THINK, DAN, THOSE THOSE GRAPHICS WERE GREAT AND THEY'RE REALLY I'M SURE THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY USEFUL IN IN MARKETING AND SELLING TO THE COMMUNITY.

BUT FOR THESE SORTS OF ANNUAL REVIEW PROCESSES, IF IN THE FUTURE OR IF YOU COULD DO IT REASONABLY, YOU AND WAYNE, COULD WE SEE THE DELTAS BETWEEN THIS YEAR IN PREVIOUS YEARS AS WELL? BECAUSE THAT THAT REALLY HELPS US ON THE OVERSIGHT COMPONENT AND THE MARKETING COMPONENT.

I'M SURE IT LOOKS GREAT.

SO IT'S NOT A CRITICISM, IT IS A IS IT A TOOL TO HELP ME? AND THAT WAS MY ONLY COMMENT, MR. MAYOR. SURE OF QUESTIONS, COUNCILMAN, WHAT'S.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE THE PRESENTATION.

I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE, WHENEVER I SEE STORIES BREAK IN THE NEWS OF, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE WAS A CHICK FIL A DISTRIBUTION CENTER DOWN IN MANSFIELD IS THIS HUGE THING TO THE TEE PLANT? SHERMAN I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT WHEN I SEE THESE COMPANIES GOING TO DIFFERENT PLACES, IT'S NOT A CRITICISM.

BUT THE QUESTION IN MY MIND IS, DID WE SEE IT? NUMBER ONE, DID WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR IT? AND IF WE DIDN'T, ARE WE GOING BACK TO LOOK AT HOW ARE WE MISSING SOME OF THE THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO AT LEAST PUT SOMETHING FORWARD? AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE A WAY TO GO BACK AND AND LOOK AT THESE TYPE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS AND DO A DEBRIEFING ON OK.

DID WE SEE IT? DID WE NOT? HOW COME? AND BECAUSE I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME INFORMATION ON THAT, JUST BECAUSE SOME OF THESE THINGS I'VE SEEN, I THOUGHT, WELL, WHY IN THE WORLD DID WE NOT SEE IT IF WE DIDN'T? AND IF WE DID, HOW COME WE HAVEN'T HAD A GOOD SHOT? SO THAT'S REALLY THAT'S THAT'S PART OF MY OBSERVATION.

IF YOU WANT ANOTHER CHICK FIL A, I CAN I CAN WORK SOMETHING.

NO, NO, YOU KNOW. YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? NO. YEAH, YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH. IN TERMS OF DID WE TRY, DID WE BID ON IT? WE RESPOND TO IF WE HAVE AN ELIGIBLE PROPERTY, IF IT KIND OF FITS WITH WHAT THE CITY'S DIRECTION OF WHERE WE WANT TO GO, WE RESPOND TO 100% OF THOSE REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION.

SO WE'VE PROBABLY BEEN ON IT.

IF WE DO FIND AN ANNOUNCEMENT LATER AND WE CAN TRACK IT TO THE PROJECTS, MOST OF OUR PROJECTS COME IN UNDER LIKE A CODE NAME.

SO IT'S SOMETIMES HARD TO SAY LIKE, OH, THIS DISTRIBUTION CENTER WAS ACTUALLY PROJECT, I DON'T KNOW, BROWN OR WHATEVER.

WE DO TRACK THAT.

A LOT OF TIMES IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS TOTALLY OUT OF OUR CONTROL.

WE DON'T HAVE A PROPERTY THAT HAS A 40 FOOT CLEAR HEIGHT OR THEY NEEDED A HIGHER WAGE OR OR SOMETHING THAT WE JUST COULD NOT DO.

SO YEAH, AND ACTUALLY PART OF I THINK MADISON WAS GOING TO BE SPEAKING TO AUDITOR ABOUT ONE OF THEIR FINDINGS WAS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A TRACKING SYSTEM.

SO I GUESS MY PREDECESSOR WHEN DID WE GET HUBSPOT? WAS THAT LAST YEAR.

OKAY, SO THEY BROUGHT IN AND DAN ACTUALLY USED TO WORK FOR THE CITY AND HE HELPED ON BOARD THE HUBSPOT SYSTEM.

AND SO DAN HAS SET UP A DEAL TRACKER SYSTEM.

WE CAN LOOK AT ALL THE DEALS, WE SEE, WHICH ONES WE MISSED OUT ON, WE SEE WHICH ONES YOU SPEND ON THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE THE ONE WHO BUILT IT.

UM, WHEN WE TRACK, WE HAVE A FIELD, SO ANY TIME THAT WE FIND A COMPANY HAS GONE TO ANOTHER PLACE THAT WE KNEW ABOUT, I MEAN WE TRACK THAT WE HAVE DATA ON WHY THEY WENT, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO? AND A LOT OF TIMES IT ACTUALLY DOES GO BACK TO OUR MARKETING.

HEY, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HIGHLIGHT IN OUR MARKETING? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN POINT OUT DURING SITE VISITS TO BETTER COMMUNICATE THAT WE HAVE A CERTAIN ASSET?

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SO PART OF THE NEW CONTRACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING IS WE HAVE SOME QUARTERLY REPORTS.

AND SO THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ADD AS PART OF THAT PROCESS THAT WE COULD DO IS DAN COULD PULL A QUARTERLY REPORT, WE COULD GO BACK YEARS.

BUT LIKE YOU SAID, SOME SOMETIMES YOU DON'T.

A LOT OF THESE COMPANIES COME IN AND WE NEVER HEAR FROM THEM AND THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE GHOST, RIGHT? BUT BUT THOSE ARE TYPES OF REPORTS THAT WE CAN DO NOW THAT WE HAVE HUBSPOT.

OKAY, GOOD. YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF WE'RE MISSING SOME OF THESE BECAUSE OF PARTICULAR THINGS, LIKE NOT ENOUGH, NOT ENOUGH, A LARGE ENOUGH PIECE OF CONTIGUOUS LAND, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE GOOD INFORMATION, I THINK, FOR THE POLICYMAKERS TO KNOW, JUST TO BE AWARE OF WHEN PEOPLE COME FOR REZONING CASES OR THESE KINDS OF THINGS, OR IF WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF I MEAN, PLANO'S BUILT OUT PLANO DOESN'T EVEN COLLECT ANY IMPACT FEES ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY'RE BUILT OUT.

IT JUST WOULD BE HELPFUL INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND WHERE ARE WE IN OUR COMPETITIVE PROCESS AND WHAT ARE OUR DEFICIENCIES IN THAT REGARD.

I MEAN, IF WE IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CONTIGUOUS LAND, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT I MEAN, LIKE OUT NORTH OF 35, WE HAVE NO INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE, WHICH I THINK GREATLY REDUCES THE ABILITY TO ATTRACT PEOPLE.

AND I THINK THAT KIND OF INFORMATION HELPS US TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO FORM A STRATEGY, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE ALL AGREE WITH IT OR NOT.

BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE DATA TO MAKE POLICY DECISIONS ON WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO WITH ALL THIS? BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, THEN WE'RE JUST SORT OF THROWING A DART AT A DART BOARD AND AND TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT AFTER THE FACT.

AND THAT'S THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE BEST POSITION.

OKAY. YEAH. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER THING? THEN I WILL SAY THIS.

I DO WANT YOU TO SPEAK TO THIS.

ARE THERE TIMES WHEN YOU REACH OUT TO PEOPLE AND THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS BODY? RIGHT. DO THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT CITY COUNCIL? MY GOSH, YOU DON'T WORK FOR US ANYMORE.

YEAH, NO, I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY DEFER TO AARON ON THAT ONE.

CERTAINLY. AND FULL DISCLOSURE, IT'S A CONCERN OF MINE, RIGHT? OKEY DOKEY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR.

COUNCIL. CITY MANAGER.

DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. GAINES.

AARON CARTER. PRESIDENT DUNNE.

CHAMBER OF COMMERCE 401 NORTH ELM.

FIRST OF ALL, I DO WANT TO GIVE A QUICK CREDIT TO WAYNE AND DAN.

THEIR PARTNERSHIP HAS BEEN OUTSTANDING.

THEY'RE BOTH NEW THIS YEAR, AND THEY'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB REALLY PUSHING THE WORK.

OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP IS DONE.

I THINK THE MAIN THING, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER BETTER IS JUST WHAT I JUST SAID.

IT'S A PARTNERSHIP, RIGHT? WE NEED TO COME FORWARD.

AND WHEN DAN AND WAYNE BRING YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUSH, IF IT'S AN INCENTIVE, IF WE WANT TO USE THAT TERM FORWARD AFTER IT'S GONE TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD FORWARD, PLEASE LOOK AT IT AS THAT.

THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP HAS PUSHED IT FORWARD FOR A REASON.

WE BELIEVE IN THE WORK THAT WAYNE AND DAN ARE DOING TO BRING THE BEST COMPANIES FORWARD TO YOU.

I KNOW WE HAVE COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES WHO SIT ON THIS BODY AS WELL.

WAYNE AND DAN ARE DOING A GREAT JOB DOING THE RESEARCH, PUTTING TOGETHER THE BEST PROPOSALS.

AND SO, MAYOR, I DO BELIEVE YOUR CONCERNS ARE VALID.

BUT FIRST, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS FAITH IN THE WORK THAT THE PARTNERSHIP IS DOING TO BRING FORWARD THE COMPANIES AND INDUSTRY THAT BEST FIT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.

AND I THINK EVERYTHING THAT WE BRING FORWARD PAST THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVE WILL HELP DETONATES AND FUTURE DENTON KNIGHTS HAVE JOBS THAT ARE SUSTAINABLE AND HAVE JOBS THAT WILL CONTINUE TO HELP THE NEXT GENERATION FORWARD.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

IT DOES. AND FOR ME, I WILL ASK THAT EITHER OFFICIALLY OR UNOFFICIALLY THAT WE KEEP THOSE STATISTICS OR AT LEAST SOMEONE'S TRACKING THAT.

RIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK I'VE I DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT IN THOSE MEETINGS BEFORE I DO NOW, AND I HAVE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

AND EVERYONE'S NOT PRIVY TO THAT.

BUT EVERYONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THE THERE'S THERE'S A REASON I SPOKE ON THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO BE IN THE NEWS LESS BECAUSE IT MAKES. IT GIVES IT MAKES POTENTIAL SUITORS NERVOUS.

AND YOU HAVE TO ANSWER THOSE.

YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THOSE.

AND AARON AND HER TEAM AND DAN AND WAYNE GETTING ON BOARD DO A GREAT JOB OF THAT.

BUT WE COULD DO OURSELVES A FAVOR BY NOT DISQUALIFYING OURSELVES ON THE FRONT END BECAUSE OF THIS, THAT OR THE OTHER ISSUES IN THE NEWS.

AND SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE THE ECONOMIC.

THAT VALUE COMMERCIAL PEOPLE BRING TO IT HELPS US LOWER TAXES.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUDGET. IT HELPS US FUND STREETS, IT HELPS US BUILD NEW LIBRARIES.

IT JUST HELPS TO NOT BQ OURSELVES EARLY.

SO THAT WAS MY CONCERN.

AND SO IF YOU COULD TRACK THAT SO THAT WHEN YOU COME BACK, THERE'S A MATRIX TO IT.

IT'S NOT A MADE UP NUMBER.

IT'S HEY, WE HAD TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, RIGHT? AND THAT HAPPENED ONE TIME.

IT HAPPENED FOUR TIMES, WHATEVER, THAT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST FOR ME ALONE.

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RIGHT. SOMETIMES IT'S DONE BEFORE IT GETS TO US.

YES. SO ONE ONE.

UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO OK. VERY GOOD.

AND SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT? COUNCILMAN BERT OK. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR.

VERY FUNDAMENTAL BASIC QUESTION, SOMETHING THAT I WOULD GET IF I WAS SITTING NEXT TO SOMEONE AND THEY WERE FINDING OUT THAT I'M ON THE CITY COUNCIL, SO.

SCENARIO, WE'RE MISSING STORES.

WE HAVE WE HAVE FOOD DESERTS.

WE SOMEONE WANTS WANTS TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE OLD WINN-DIXIE BUTCHERS AREA.

AND THEY'LL SAY TO ME, WE NEED A STORE THERE.

WHAT CAN YOU DO TO MAKE SURE WE GET A STORE THERE? SO HOW DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT OCCUR? ARE YOU ALL DOING SURVEYS TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO FIND OUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE REALLY WANT? I KNOW WE WANT A H-E-B AND, YOU KNOW, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

BUT WHEN WE KNOW THAT WE REALLY ARE LACKING RIGHT NOW AND WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GROWING NORTHEAST, YOU KNOW, IN A IN A BIG KIND OF WAY, HOW DO YOU ALL DEVELOP SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR, YOU KNOW, AND JUST TALK VERY PLAINLY ABOUT HOW DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN? I WANT A CAFETERIA, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SENIOR LIVING TOWN AS WELL.

WE DON'T TALK ABOUT SENIORS ENOUGH AROUND HERE, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF SENIORS THAT LIVE HERE AND THEY WANT TO OLD CAFETERIA.

WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR US, COUNCILWOMAN BYRD ON THAT? AND SO I'M I'M PUTTING THAT TO YOU ALL.

HOW DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT DEVELOP? YEAH, THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.

THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I THINK YOU'RE JOINING FIRST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHO YOU'RE JOINING WITH MILLIONS OF OTHER TEXANS WHO COLLECTIVELY ARE RAISING THEIR HANDS AND SAY, PLEASE BRING US AN H-E-B. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE WORK WITH DEVELOPERS THAT ARE NOT JUST TEXAS BASED, BUT ALSO NATIONAL BASE THAT ARE LOOKING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD BE THE LIKELIHOOD OF SUCCESS.

RIGHT. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT CERTAIN MARKETS, THEY'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT IS IT INWARD FACING, IS IT OUTWARD FACING, WHAT TYPE OF CLIENTELE WOULD THEY HAVE? IS IT JUST UNIVERSITY POPULATION OR IS IT A NEW DEVELOPMENT? WE HEAR FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS A LOT.

SO RESIDENTIAL AND MEMBERS, DEVELOPERS AND NOT AND THEN NORMALLY WE TAKE THAT INFORMATION, WE TAKE THAT INSIGHT AND WE WOULD PASS IT TO WAYNE'S TEAM.

OH, DAN, YOU CHANGE PLACES WITH WAYNE ALL OF A SUDDEN.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. WE WOULD PASS IT TO WAYNE'S TEAM, SO THEN I WOULD PASS YOUR QUESTIONS TO WAYNE'S TEAM AND SAY, WAYNE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HEARING.

WHAT CAN YOU DO TO HELP US RECRUIT THIS COMPANY AND REALLY TAKE THEM ACROSS THE FINISH LINE? SO NOW I'M GOING TO TAKE YOUR QUESTION AND PASS IT TO WAYNE.

OKAY. SO YOUR QUESTION AND WHAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE ASKING IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WE DEALT WITH A LOT WHEN I WAS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE SOUTHERN SECTOR DISTRICT FOUR. IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT PROBLEM.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A DEVELOPER PROBLEM.

IT'S A IT'S AN OPERATOR PROBLEM.

AND THE GROCERY STORE INDUSTRY SURVIVES ON VERY TIGHT MARGINS, 2%.

AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE MARGIN OF ERROR, THE OPERATORS ARE VERY RISK AVERSE.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT THAT WE'RE HAVING, THE MODEL THAT THEY'RE STARTING TO DEVELOP IN DALLAS AND THAT WE THINK MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD IS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

RIGHT? SO WE WE PARTNER RIGHT INSTEAD OF JUST A GROCERY STORE AND ISOLATION, WHAT YOU HAVE IS YOU HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL AND YOU HAVE SOME MAYBE YOU HAVE SOME OTHER RETAIL AND THEN YOU HAVE POSSIBLY SOME OFFICE, BECAUSE THEN THE GROCERY STORE IS SORT OF A LOSS LEADER IN THAT SENSE.

RIGHT. THEY THEY BRING IT IN AND THEN THE CITY CAN KIND OF HELP WITH INCENTIVES TO KIND OF HELP THE GROCERY PIECE.

AND IN FACT, WE'RE EVEN SEEING LIKE KROGER MIGHT BE A GOOD PARTNER.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY BECOMING LIKE A DEVELOPER THEMSELVES.

AND SO THE CITY COULD POSSIBLY PARTNER WITH ON THAT LOSS PART.

AND THEN THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT KIND OF PAYS FOR ITSELF, THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE OFFICE PIECES.

BUT THAT'S JUST ONE WAY THAT WE COULD WE COULD LOOK TO TO TACKLE THAT.

BUT. THAT, YOU KNOW, EACH MARKET IS DIFFERENT.

SO ONE THING WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS MAYBE WE CAN ENGAGE WITH A MARKET STUDY TO KIND OF FIND OUT HOW WE MIGHT DO THAT, THOUGH.

AND I REALIZE COUNCIL MEMBER YOU ASKED FOR IT IN VERY PLAIN TALK.

THIS IS A LESSON I LEARNED WHEN I WAS YOUNGER.

IF YOU DON'T ASK, YOU'LL NEVER KNOW.

SO IF YOU HAVE IDEAS, ASK US.

IN THE FUTURE, WE MIGHT NOT GET YOU THE ANSWER YOU WANT.

BUT WE'D LOVE TO PARTNER WITH YOU TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST SOLUTION FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

SO PLEASE ASK US AND WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH AN ANSWER.

YEAH. AND SO WHAT? WHAT OTHER DIRECTION? OH, COUNCIL MEMBER.

I MEAN. COUNCILMAN. MCGEE.

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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. HI, EVERYBODY.

HOWDY. SHOUT OUT TO LD 37.

HECK, YES. ALWAYS, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONTRACT.

AND IF I'M OFF POSTING, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, LET ME KNOW. I JUST HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION FOR THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CHAMBER AND THE CITY.

IT WORKS DIFFERENTLY IN DENTON THAN IT DOES IN MANY OTHER PLACES.

YOU ALL ARE HOUSED IN THE SAME BUILDING AND WORK VERY COLLABORATIVELY.

SO CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO THE IMPORTANCE OF THE RELATIONSHIP AND WHY IT IS THE WAY IT IS SET UP HERE? AND THIS DIDN'T COMMUNICATE HOW THAT IS AN ADVANTAGE TO BOTH THE CITY AND OTHER PRIVATE BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY? SURE. ABSOLUTELY.

SO OBVIOUSLY, THE CONTRACT IS WITH THE CHAMBER, BUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

PARTNERSHIP IS FUNDED 100% SEPARATELY.

SO WHEN SOMEBODY PAYS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP, IT DOES NOT FUND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

SO I'D LIKE TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP AND DISCOVER DENTON ARE ALL HOUSED AT 401 NORTH ELM.

AS I IDENTIFIED EARLIER, WE ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING.

IF YOU'VE SEEN ONE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, YOU'VE SEEN ONE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

NONE ARE THE SAME IN ANY CITY ACROSS AMERICA OR ACROSS THE NATION OR ACROSS THE WORLD.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY VERY ADVANTAGEOUS THAT WE ARE HOUSED TOGETHER AND I WAS A RECIPIENT OF THAT.

I STARTED IN JULY OF 2021, AND SO I CAME ON ONE.

WE WERE ALREADY HOUSED THERE. SO DID DAN, AND SO DID WAYNE.

SO WE ARE ALL WINNING ON THAT PARTNERSHIP.

WE GET TO WORK TOGETHER.

WE GET TO SHOW THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY WHAT A PARTNERSHIP LOOKS LIKE, WHAT WORKING TOGETHER AND COLLABORATING WITH THE CITY TO SOLVE SOLUTIONS ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, ON BEHALF OF SOLVING PROBLEMS, ON BEHALF OF WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS.

AND WE CAN SAY THAT DOESN'T REALLY SOUND LIKE THE CITY, LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT A SIMPLE SOLUTION FOR YOU.

IT'S TRULY BEEN A WONDERFUL PARTNERSHIP AND A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

I THINK OUR TEAM KNOWS MORE PEOPLE INSIDE THE CITY, KNOWS WHAT THEY LIKE TO DO FOR FUN, KNOWS WHAT THEY LIKE TO DO, WHY THEY LOVE THEIR JOBS, AND WHY IT'S REALLY A GREAT EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY TO WORK FOR THE CITY.

I THINK WE'RE GREAT SPOKESPEOPLE FOR THE CITY AS WELL, AND WE'RE VERY PROUD TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF DENTON.

BUT WE CAN ALSO SOLVE PROBLEMS A LOT FASTER ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE VERY PROUD OF AS WELL.

SO THE PARTNERSHIP HAS BEEN SOMETHING THE PARTNERSHIP IN OFFICES TOGETHER HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE VERY PROUD OF.

AND SO IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND WE ARE REALLY ENJOYING WORKING TOGETHER.

BUT IT'S DIFFERENT. IT'S SOMETHING YOU DON'T SEE IN EVERY CITY, AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED THAT IT'S THAT IT IS IN EXISTENCE HERE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WHAT OTHER DIRECTION DO YOU NEED ON THE CONTRACT? YES. SO THIS IS THE MATERIAL PROVISIONS OF THE CONTRACT.

AND THEN ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE JUST ASKING IS STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE AGREEMENT.

SO THE CONTRACT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, THIS WORKS OUT TO JUST A CHANCE TO GO OVER THE ANNUAL REPORT THAT'S REQUIRED IN THE CONTRACT AND THEN GIVE IT A BRIEF PRIMER IN ADVANCE OF THE CONTRACT APPROVAL, BUT ALSO USE THIS TIME TO ECHO A LOT OF WHAT WHAT AARON DANON HAVE SAID.

OUR RELATIONSHIP IS REALLY GREAT AND YOU CAN SEE THE STRIDES THAT WE'VE MADE THIS CONTRACT.

IF YOU FOR THOSE THE COUNCIL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO RECALL, WE REALLY HAD A REVAMP OF THE CONTRACT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND A RESET IN OUR RELATIONSHIP.

AND PART OF THAT WAS MOVING WAS A NEW CONTRACT.

PART OF IT WAS HOUSING TOGETHER.

AND I THINK WE'RE REALLY STARTING TO SEE THE FRUITS OF THE NEW CONTRACT AND THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE, AND THAT GOES ALONG WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WITH OUR NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.

THE CAL IS FUN CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD.

SO I THINK ALL THESE BUILDING BLOCKS THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE ARE GOING TO HELP US TO ACHIEVE A LOT OF THE GOALS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY.

SO THANK YOU TO THE CHAMBER AND TO THE PARTNERSHIP.

BASED ON YOUR OWN TIME AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE THAT SWITCH? ARE YOU WHAT? HOW WAS YOUR EXPERIENCE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WORLD? I'M GLAD THAT WAYNE EMERSON IS HIRED IN HERE.

I UNDERSTAND. GOOD ANSWER.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COUNCILMAN MCGEE? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.

SO OBVIOUSLY, I AM I AM THE ONLY NEW MEMBER OF COUNCIL.

SO HAVING BEEN TO A CHAMBER BOARD MEETING, I NOTICED THAT THERE IS NO THERE IS NO EX-OFFICIO MEMBER CITY COUNCIL ON THE CHAMBER BOARD.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? WHY THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED THERE.

AND, AND CAN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A MEMBER OF COUNCIL PRESENT? SURE. AS THE EX-OFFICIO.

I THINK THAT MAYOR PRO TEM BECK HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT INTERNALLY AND IF I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN, HE CAN TURN HIS MICROPHONE ON AND TELL ME AND HE'S NOT SAYING ANYTHING.

SO THAT'S NOT A GOOD SIGN.

BUT I WE'VE NOT HAD ONE IN THE PAST, SO I KNOW THAT.

MAYOR PRO TEM BECK AND I HAD DISCUSSED IT AFTER COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE AND MAYOR PRO TEM BECK ATTENDED A DENTON CHAMBER BOARD MEETING.

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OBVIOUSLY, I AM EMPLOYED BY THE DENTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND I DO NOT GET TO MAKE THE FINAL SAY SO THAT WOULD BE A DECISION OF THE DENTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND IT WOULD ROLL UP TO THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.

SO I CANNOT COMMIT THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO ANYTHING TODAY, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO BRING THIS IDEA AND THE SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL TO THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE FOR CONSIDERATION AT THE START OF OUR NEW FISCAL YEAR, WHICH STARTS OCTOBER ONE, WHICH WAS IN DISCUSSIONS AT THIS TIME.

BUT I AM STILL HAPPY TO BRING THE FULL SUPPORT OF COUNCIL IF THAT IS THE WISH OF THE COUNCIL AND OR THE MAYOR.

SO, MR. MAYOR. CITY MANAGER DOES DOES THAT REQUIRE A PITCH BY US IN ORDER TO OFFICIALLY DESIGNATE SOMEONE? I'M ASKING. I'M NOT SURE THE PROCEDURE THERE, MR. MAYOR, OR.

RIGHT. I THINK IF WE IF WE HAD DIRECTION FROM THE CHAMBER BOARD THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO CREATE THAT POSITION, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD BRING BACK TO THE COUNCIL TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.

I THINK I THINK I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT COMES THE OTHER WAY.

RIGHT. WE DON'T WE DON'T TELL THEM, HEY, WE'RE IN.

RIGHT. I THINK I APOLOGIZE.

YOU ALL CAN ALWAYS TELL US WE'RE IN.

WE LOVE OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH WITH THE CITY OF DENTON.

BUT WE GIVE YOU MONEY AND LET US IN.

OR ELSE. RIGHT.

I MEAN, THAT'S JUST. YEAH, YEAH.

VERY TOUGH. I DO KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE SOME GREAT REPRESENTATIVES FROM COUNCIL ON OUR DISCOVER DEBT ADVISORY BOARD, SO WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER, MAGUIRE, AND COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD, AND WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR PARTICIPATION.

AND I DO BELIEVE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BECK IS RAISING HIS HAND.

I THINK HE'S RAISING IT AT ME.

I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU WANT TO CALL ON HIM? DO I CALL ON HIM? WE'RE IN NEW TERRITORY HERE.

THAT'S UP TO. WELL, JUST.

JUST TO FINISH. WHAT? WHAT, COUNCILMAN? WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT, ARE YOU YOU HAVE WITH UNIT.

NO, I MEAN, AND I COULD BE.

I COULD BE MISTAKEN, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS MAYOR, I THOUGHT THEY DID ALLOW AN EX-OFFICIO MEMBER.

I THINK IT WAS THE MAYOR WHO WOULD ATTEND, WHO COULD ATTEND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETINGS.

SO I'M NOT CERTAIN.

I THINK HISTORICALLY THAT'S SOMETHING.

AND THE PANDEMIC AND EVERYTHING OBVIOUSLY CORRECT, UPSET A LOT OF THINGS AND HOW PEOPLE DID THINGS.

BUT I CERTAINLY KNOW THAT I THINK AT SOME POINT THERE WAS A MEMBER THAT COULDN'T VOTE YES.

AND I THINK IF I RECALL, IT WAS DESIGNATED AS THE MAYOR OR HIS DESIGNEE.

HIS OR HER DESIGNEE.

YEAH. OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM.

WELL, CAN I JUST FINISH UP BRIEFLY? I THOUGHT. COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

THANKS, SIR, IF YOU WOULD NOT MIND, SINCE THIS IS AT THE BEGINNING OF OF YOUR YOUR SEASON AS WELL, IF YOU WOULD NOT MIND BRINGING THAT FORWARD AND SEE AND IF YOU ALL ARE INTERESTED IN THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING AND I PERSONALLY AM INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT THAT REPRESENTATIVE, IF ALLOWED TO THAT SPOT, IS FILLED.

SO ABSOLUTELY HAPPY TO TAKE BACK THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL THAT THERE WOULD BE INTEREST IN HAVING A CITY OF DENTON COUNCIL MEMBER AS AN EX-OFFICIO MEMBER OF OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

ABSOLUTELY. MAYOR PRO TEM? YES. AND THAT WAS JUST THE CLARITY I WAS GOING TO ADD, IS I.

IT'S Y'ALL.

IT'S YOUR BOARD.

THAT'S WHY I'M NOT WORKING THE SCENES BEHIND.

ABSOLUTELY. TO FOR THAT.

BECAUSE THAT'S THE DECISION OF THAT BOARD, NOT THIS BOARD.

YES. AND THE BOARD IS ACTUALLY THE THAT OF OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

AND SO IT BELONGS TO EVERYONE IN DENTON.

SO WE ARE HAPPY THAT MAYOR PRO TEM BACK IN COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE ATTENDED THAT ONE TIME.

AND SO OBVIOUSLY WE LOVE WORKING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THE ENTIRE CITY OF DENTON STAFF.

SO IF WE CAN MAKE OURSELVES MORE READILY AVAILABLE, WE ARE ALWAYS HAPPY TO DO THAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT OUTREACH AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO FIGURING OUT A SOLUTION TO THAT.

IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND I JUST WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD.

I DON'T. I'M NOT ITCHING FOR THAT.

RIGHT? I'M NOT. I'M NOT IN HOT PURSUIT OF ANOTHER MEETING.

102I, I KNOW, RIGHT? THAT HOT PURSUIT OF ANOTHER MEETING.

I MEET WITH EVERYONE ON YOUR BOARD AND YOUR PEOPLE REGULARLY.

I'M A MEMBER OF THE CHAMBER.

I RECOMMEND EVERYONE JOIN.

EVERYONE SHOULD GO TO RIBBON CUTTINGS.

EVERYONE SHOULD TALK TO THOSE THAT ARE ON THE BOARD REGULARLY AND NOT IN A BOARD MEETING WHERE THERE'S RULES AND RESTRICTIONS, BUT FREELY IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE YOU'RE NOT LIMITED TO LIMITED TIME FRAMES, ETC.

AND YOU CAN FREELY HAVE A CONVERSATION AND BUY EACH OTHER LUNCH AND TALK AND BUILD RELATIONSHIPS, ALL OF WHICH CAN BE DONE OUTSIDE OF A BOARD MEETING.

AND IT'S REALLY NEAT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I LIKE.

AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT ALL THE WAKE UP WEDNESDAYS, THE THERE'S A TON OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO OUTSIDE OF A FORMAL THING.

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I'LL GO PERIODICALLY, I'LL SIT IN PERIODICALLY, BUT I DON'T NEED, YOU KNOW, SOME REGIMENTED THING.

I JUST TALK TO THEM.

SO IT'S COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

QUESTION AND THEN A SHORT OBSERVATION.

I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING THAT PREVENTS A COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, AN INTERESTED COUNCIL MEMBER FOR FROM ATTENDING A BOARD MEETING AND SEEING WHAT THE CHAMBER BOARD IS UP TO.

RIGHT. CORRECT.

MY OBSERVATION IS THIS SERVING ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD.

SO WE ARE ALREADY LINKED WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AS A CO-EQUAL ENTITY IN TWO, TWO DIFFERENT WAYS, THE DISCOVER DENTON AND THEN ALSO THE AND WE WE DELEGATE SOME FUNCTIONS TO THE CHAMBER FOR THAT AND THEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD.

I WOULD BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING GOING FORWARD, AND I AGREE THAT THAT INVITE WOULD NEED TO COME FROM THE CHAMBER FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

ONE, ALREADY WE HAD THIS IDEA THAT AN IDEA KIND OF PROPOSED NOT KNOWN TO EVERYBODY, NOT DISCUSSED ON AN AGENDA, NOT PITCHED IN A TO BE A WORK SESSION OR ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF IS KIND OF INTERPRETED ALREADY AS DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL.

IF THERE IS ONE MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL PRESENT FOR BOARD MEETINGS AND SPEAKING UP AND SAYING, WELL, IT'S THE FEELING OF THE CITY, THAT DOT, DOT, DOT, JUST LIKE AS A MEMBER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD, I VOTE AS A MEMBER OF THAT BOARD.

I DON'T REPRESENT.

WELL, HERE'S WHAT THE FEELING OF THE CITY IS, BECAUSE I'M ONLY ONE MEMBER AMONG SEVEN.

AND THEN SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE ACTUALLY SOME OF THE THINGS THE CITY COUNCIL MIGHT FEEL INCLINED TO SPEAK TO OR ACTUALLY FUNCTIONS OF THE CITY MANAGER AND THEIR EMPLOYEES AND THINGS.

THE CITY COUNCIL CANNOT SPEAK TO OUR EFFECT OR HAVE ANY KIND OF CHANGEOVER.

SO I'M NOT SAYING I'M A DEAD NO, I'M SAYING IT REQUIRES A LITTLE MORE CAUTION THAN LET'S ALL BE FRIENDS AND LET'S ALL MAKE SURE WE'RE TALKING TOGETHER AND MAINTAIN TRANSPARENCY.

WE DO THOSE THINGS IN VERY INTENTIONAL WAYS AND WE DO THEM THAT WAY FOR A REASON, BECAUSE WE ARE SEPARATE BODIES.

I WOULD NOT ASK THE SCHOOL BOARD, CAN I HAVE AN EX-OFFICIO SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER WHO'S FROM THE CITY COUNCIL? THAT WOULD BE HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE.

I WOULD NOT ASK THE THE REGENTS, CAN WE HAVE AN EX-OFFICIO CITY COUNCIL MEMBER COME ATTEND YOUR PUBLICLY POSTED, PUBLICLY AVAILABLE MEETING BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT ROLES. SOMETIMES THOSE ARE TOGETHER AND SOMETIMES WE CAN HAVE SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS, TOUGH CONVERSATIONS APART.

AND I THINK THE RELATIONSHIPS WE'VE BUILT CONTRACTUALLY, VERY INTENTIONALLY RECOGNIZE THE DIFFERENT ROLES THAT OUR DIFFERENT BODIES HAVE.

LOTS OF CONVERSATION, ATTENDING EACH OTHER'S MEETINGS, TALKING A LOT OUTSIDE OF MEETINGS.

YES, EX-OFFICIO LEGISLATED IN APPOINTEE TO A BOARD, EVEN WITHOUT VOTING POWER IS REALLY A WHOLE DIFFERENT KETTLE OF FISH.

WHAT HE SAID IN THE OTHER QUESTIONS, HE DID REALLY GOOD.

OK. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

TAKES US TO ITEM DE.

[D. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding amending the Mobility Plan connecting Windsor Drive and Masch Branch Road. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

RECEIVE SUPPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING AMENDING THE MOBILITY PLAN, CONNECTING WINDSOR DRIVE AND MOSS BRANCH ROAD.

JESSE IS MAKING ME OKAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, BECKY DEVANEY.

CITY ENGINEER. AND I HAVE TINA FERGUSON HERE WITH ME, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS PRESENTATION TOGETHER TODAY.

AND THIS IS A FOLLOW UP TO A TWO MINUTE PITCH ON THE MOBILITY PLAN AMENDMENT FOR HAMPTON ROAD.

SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

BACK ON JULY 19TH, COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS GAVE A TWO MINUTE PITCH REQUESTING A WORK SESSION TO EVALUATE AMENDING THE MOBILITY PLAN.

STAFF WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPER THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TO EVALUATE THE FUTURE CONNECTIONS IN CONCERT WITH THE 2022 MOBILITY PLAN, WE DETERMINED THAT THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE MOBILITY PLAN HELPS US TO ALIGN WITH THE FUTURE CONNECTION IN THE SAME ALIGNMENT OF HAMPTON ROAD.

SO LET ME EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT ON THE MOBILITY PLAN.

WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE A ROADWAY WITHIN 1000 FEET OF WHERE IT'S SHOWN ON THE GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION OF THE MAP.

THE DEVELOPER HAS MET WITH THE RANCH ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD TO REVIEW THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, SHOWING THE ALIGNMENT OF THE FUTURE ROADWAY IN THAT SAME LOCATION AS HAMPTON ROADS. SEVERAL TIMES THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED.

TINA TOOK THAT THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING PROCESS AND CITY COUNCIL PROCESS.

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AND THEN ALSO THE DEVELOPER HAS MADE US AWARE THAT THEY'VE HAD ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE INDIVIDUALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BASED ON THE OPTIONS.

SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE MOBILITY PLAN.

THIS IS JUST A SNIPPET FROM THE 2022 ADOPTED MOBILITY PLAN.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WHERE I HAVE THE RED CIRCLE DRAWN.

THAT IS THE CONNECTION OF THE FUTURE CONNECTION BETWEEN WINDSOR THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE EAST SIDE OF 35 AND THEN MOSH BRANCH.

AND SO THAT'S PROVIDING THAT EAST WEST CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE WINDSOR DRIVE MOSH BRANCH AND THEN WHERE IT TURNS NORTH AND HEADS UP TOWARDS 1173. AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO TINA AND LET HER TALK THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PHASE.

AGAIN, TITA FIGGINS, DIRECTOR, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND PLANNING DIRECTOR.

SO THE IMAGE THAT'S SHOWN HERE BEFORE YOU IS JUST ONE OF MULTIPLE IMAGES THAT WAS AT LEAST COMMUNICATED TO THE RANCH ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD BY ORSON HOLDINGS, THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME ILLUSTRATING THE FUTURE ALIGNMENT OF HAMPTON OR WINDSOR HAMPTON ROAD REALIGNMENT.

SO AND I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT THIS WAS ONE OF THEIR GRAPHICS IN THE EARLY STAGES THAT ILLUSTRATES THE GREEN SPACE AS BEING A PARK.

THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NO LONGER THE CASE, AS YOU ALL ARE WELL AWARE OF.

THEY WERE CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS ABOUT JUST MAINTAINING THAT AS AN OPEN SPACE, BUT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE EXHIBITS WAS AS THE APPLICANT WAS MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS, THEY SHOWED THIS ROADWAY ALIGNMENT IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS THEY WERE WORKING ON THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLANS, BUT ALSO WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO GAIN THEIR SUPPORT AS IT RELATED TO THEIR PROPOSED PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

SO THE EXHIBIT, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, SHOWS THE FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION FOR THE EXTENSION OF WINDSOR, OVERLAPPING THE EXISTING HAMPTON ROAD AS SHOWN ON THIS GRAPHIC HERE. SO AS WE WORKED THROUGH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT STAGES, THE FINAL OUTCOME ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WAS AS A RESULT OF THE APPLICANT AGAIN WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS.

SO THE GRAPHIC I'VE GOT TWO GRAPHICS HERE THAT ARE SHOWN AND LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN EXCUSE ME.

THERE WE GO. ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT.

OH, THERE IT IS. SO.

SO I'M POINTING TO THE TOP GRAPHIC RIGHT NOW, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS CROSSHATCH AREA.

SO THAT'S THE AREA I WANT TO POINT OUT RIGHT NOW ON THE PURPOSE OF THIS PRESENTATION.

SO WHAT WAS NEGOTIATED WITH THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ZONING REQUEST AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THAT AN 80 FOOT, AN 80 FOOT WIDE BUFFER BE APPLIED IN THAT AREA WHERE IT'S HAS THE SLANTED CROSS HATCHES, IF YOU WILL, THAT ARE ALONG THAT STRIP ON THAT SOUTHERN PORTION WITHIN THAT AREA WAS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A 6 TO 8 FOOT TALL BERM.

IN ADDITION, THERE WOULD BE PLANTINGS ALONG THE TOP AND BESIDE OF THE BERM.

THE THE EXHIBIT ON THE BOTTOM ILLUSTRATES HOW THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE ACHIEVED.

BUT THE IT'S NOT ILLUSTRATED HERE ON THIS GRAPHIC, BUT IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND WHAT'S INCLUDED THE EXHIBITS, IT REFLECTS APPROXIMATELY 93 TREES BEING PLANTED ON THE TOP AND BESIDE THAT BERM, IN ADDITION, WITHIN THAT 85 FOOT BUFFER, NO BUILDINGS, PARKING NOR PAVEMENT COULD HAVE BEEN LOCATED THERE.

AND THEN ALSO THE APPLICANT HAS RESPONSIBILITY OF PROVIDING ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THAT AREA THAT MEET OUR DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED USES.

BECAUSE THE AREA THAT'S ILLUSTRATING GREEN JUST TO THE SOUTH HERE, THIS AREA HERE, BECAUSE OF THE REMAINING ZONING THAT REMAINS ON THAT PROPERTY, THAT'S CONSIDERED A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

SO HENCE WHY THE ADDITIONAL BUFFER POINT REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN.

THE OTHER THING THAT WAS NEGOTIATED AND ALLOWED FOR WAS AGAIN, THE CONTINUED ACCESS FOR THE EXISTING GAS WELL PAD SITE WOULD CONTINUE TO REMAIN AND HAVING THAT CONNECTION TO HAMPTON ROAD. AND THEN AND THEN THAT DRIVE COULD ALSO SERVE AS A SECOND POINT OF EMERGENCY ACCESS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

AS I MENTIONED, THIS GRAPHIC ON THE BOTTOM JUST SHOWS ONE WAY THAT THE CONDITIONS WITHIN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT COULD BE ACHIEVED.

IN THIS CASE, WHAT THEY HAVE IS THE BERM IS PREDOMINANTLY LOCATED WITHIN THE 85 FOOT WIDE BUFFER, BUT THEY WERE UTILIZING SOME OF THE LAND TO THE SOUTH.

SO IT'S MORE OF A MEANDERING BERM INSTEAD OF MORE OF A STRAIGHT LINE LEVEE.

BUT SO WHEN BECKY TALKS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL REALIGNMENT OPTIONS AND WE SPEAK TO THE BERM AND THE REMOVAL OF THE BERM, KEEP IN MIND WITHIN THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT REQUIREMENT, WITHIN THAT RED CROSSHATCH AREA, THERE HAS TO BE A 6 TO 8 FOOT TALL BERM.

BUT IT'S JUST THE AREA BECOMES A LITTLE MORE CONDENSED THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO WORK WITH, BUT IT STILL CAN BE ACHIEVED SO AND SO.

WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO BECKY.

THANK YOU, TINA. SO THE FIRST OPTION THAT WE WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THEY PRESENTED TO US, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IS MOVING THAT ROADWAY APPROXIMATELY 80 FEET NORTH OF HAMPTON ROAD.

AND I WILL GO THROUGH IN A TABLE IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES AND TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN EACH OPTION.

SO YOU HAVE THE EXISTING OPTION THAT WE SHOWED ALREADY WITH THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.

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OPTION TWO, WHICH ALSO IS ANOTHER OPTION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO OUR STAFF BY THE DEVELOPMENT IS TO JUST MOVE THAT ROADWAY APPROXIMATELY 60 FEET NORTH OF HAMPTON ROAD. AND THEN WHAT THAT ALLOWS FOR, AS TINA JUST MENTIONED, THE BERM.

THE BERM HAS TO BE BUILT WITHIN THAT RED CROSSHATCH.

BUT WHAT IT DOES ON THIS SPECIFIC GRAPHIC IS GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT BERM TO BE WIDENED AND HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 20 FEET FOR THAT TO EXPAND ONTO THIS GREEN OPEN SPACE. AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO INTO SOME OPTIONS.

SO THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT DOES ALLOW FOR THE TREE BUFFER.

IT ALSO HAS A LARGER AREA TO ACCOMMODATE THE BERM AT THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY.

THE OPTION ONE, WHICH IS THAT 80 FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN HAMPTON ROAD THAT ALLOWS FOR OR I'M SORRY, THAT REMOVES THE EXISTING TREE BUFFER AND CONCENTRATES THAT BERM ALL WITHIN THE BOUNDARY.

WHAT OPTION TWO DOES WITH THAT 60 FOOT SEPARATION REMOVES THAT EXISTING TREE BUFFER AND HAS THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT BERM BEING EXPANDED A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH AND ALLOWS FOR POSSIBLY ADDITIONAL TREES TO BE PLANTED.

SO THE NEXT THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROADWAY.

SO ON THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT, IT TAKES AN EXISTING ROADWAY, HAMPTON ROAD, AND IMPROVES THAT EXISTING CONDITION WOULD PROVIDE FOR A DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND A TYPICAL CROSS SECTION IN THIS AREA OF A SECONDARY ARTERIAL.

WHAT OPTION ONE IS TO DO OR VERY SIMILAR DON'T NEED TO READ BOTH OF THEM TO YOU.

BUT THERE'S THE SAME.

BASICALLY THEY ESTABLISH TWO SEPARATE ROADWAYS FOR CONSTRUCTION AND THEN ULTIMATELY FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION FOR THE CITY OF DITTON.

CURRENTLY, THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE ANY PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS FOR HAMPTON ROAD AS A PART OF THE CAPITAL PROGRAM.

THE NEXT ITEM I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION.

AS TINA SHOWED ON THE DRAWINGS, THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION HAS BEEN CONFIRMED IN THAT ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT AT NO COST TO THE CITY WITH OPTION ONE AND TO MOVING THAT ALIGNMENT NORTH COULD REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY TO BE PURCHASED.

BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PIECE OF STRANDED LAND THAT WILL HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED.

AND WHEN I SAY MAINTAINED, IMAGINE THAT BEING EITHER A 20 FOOT OR LARGER SECTION OF LAND THAT WILL HAVE TO BE MOWED AND MAINTAINED.

ALSO, THE ADDITIONAL TREES TO BE PLANTED BETWEEN THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY AND HAMPTON ROAD ARE STILL A PART OF THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT ON OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO.

THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY LIMITS TO ANY ADDITIONAL TREES TO BE PLANTED BETWEEN THAT SOUTHERN BOUNDARY AND THAT HAMPTON ROAD.

SO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE MORE YOU MOVE THAT ROADWAY NORTH, THE MORE THE TREE BUFFER IS REMOVED, THE LESS AMOUNT OF TREES THAT CAN BE PLANTED IN THAT AREA DUE TO THAT ROADWAY ALIGNMENT.

WHAT THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT DOES IS PROVIDES THAT GREATER SEPARATION BETWEEN THE PD AND THE RANCHER STATES AS REQUESTED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WHAT OPTION ONE AND TO CONTINUE TO DO OR PROVIDE THAT SEPARATION OF ROADWAYS WITH DIFFERING CLASSIFICATIONS.

SO KEEP IN MIND, HAMPTON ROAD WILL STAY AS A RESIDENTIAL ROADWAY AND THEN THE FUTURE ROAD TO BE NAMED AT A LATER DATE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT, MAYBE WINDSOR EXTENSION WINDSOR DRIVE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT TO BE A SECONDARY ARTERIAL.

SO THAT IS A POSITIVE TO BOTH OF THOSE OPTIONS AS PROVIDING THAT RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC TO FLOW IN THAT SAME PATTERN, BUT THEN ALSO PROVIDING FOR THAT ADDITIONAL SECONDARY ARTERIAL ON THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WILL BE IS TO DESIGN AND INCORPORATE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS ALONG THERE, CURRENTLY RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS ATTACHED TO HAMPTON ROAD, AS YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND, AS ROADWAYS, FRONT, HAMPTON ROAD.

AND THERE ARE ALSO TWO RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS TO HAMPTON ROADS.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOME DESIGN IMPACTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO EVALUATE THROUGH THAT DESIGN PROCESS WHEN THAT ROAD WAS TO WIDEN.

AND THEN OPTION ONE AND TWO, THEY ARE MORE CLOSELY IN LINE WITH WHAT WAS ADOPTED IN THE 2022 MOBILITY PLAN.

SO JUST WANTED TO BRING ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FORWARD WITH THE DIFFERENT ALIGNMENTS, AND I'LL LET TINA ADD ANYTHING SHE'D LIKE TO ADD IN THE MORE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. I REALIZED THERE WAS ONE THING I FORGOT TO ADDRESS ON THESE EXHIBITS, AND THAT WILL HELP WITH THE TABLE THAT BECKY HAD JUST SHARED.

SO BACK TO THIS EXHIBIT HERE WITH THE ZONING.

SO THE GRAPHIC THAT'S ON THE BOTTOM, SO YOU CAN SEE THE ROW OF TREES ALONG THE BERMS HERE.

SO THOSE WERE THOSE 93 TREES THAT ARE BEING PLANTED WITHIN THAT 85 FOOT BUFFER.

THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

SO SO THOSE WILL CONTINUE TO REMAIN REGARDLESS OF WHAT ROAD ALIGNMENT WE DECIDE UPON.

WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, WHEN BECKY TALKS ABOUT THE TREE BUFFER THAT'S BEING REMOVED, WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT IS THESE TREES THAT ARE DOWN HERE.

SO THESE TREES THAT ARE SHOWN IN GREEN HERE, PLUS THESE THAT HAVE THE RED ARROWS THAT ARE GOING TO THEM THAT THE DEVELOPER WAS GOING TO SUPPLEMENT, THEY'RE ALL WITHIN THIS SHADED

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SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REMOVAL OF THE TREE BUFFER, THIS IS THE TREE BUFFER AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING EXCUSE ME, THIS IS THE TREE BUFFER AREA THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO, WHICH IS THESE TREES THAT ARE IN THIS AREA.

SO THESE ARE ALL EXISTING, EVERYTHING THAT IS SHOWN HERE NORTH OF THE PD BOUNDARY, THOSE WOULD ALL BE NEW.

AND THEN THE DEVELOPER WAS ALSO PROPOSING TO PLANT SOME ADDITIONAL TREES FOR HIS CONVERSATION AND COMMITMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO AGAIN, IN THAT TABLE, WHEN SHE REFERS TO THE TREE BUFFER BEING REMOVED, IT'S THESE TREES HERE THAT WERE NEGOTIATED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE IN THE DEVELOPER THAT ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED THE MOST.

SO. AND THAT'S ALL I HAD TO ADD.

SO WITH THAT, WE'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

CUSTOMER, DAVIS. YEAH, I GUESS ONE QUESTION IN A LITTLE BIT OF CONVERSATION.

IF COUNCIL GIVES DIRECTION TODAY, THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A REQUIREMENT THAT WE GIVE DIRECTION FOR WE LIKE OPTION ONE OR WE LIKE OPTION TWO, AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO US. THAT'S JUST WHAT THE DEVELOPER OUT OF THEIR OWN GOODWILL, THOSE ARE DRAWINGS THEY HAD PREPARED BY THE ENGINEERS AND PROVIDED TO THE CITY.

IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S SOME OPTIONS THOSE ENGINEERS HAVE HAVE MADE AVAILABLE TO US.

YES, SIR. THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS THAT THE DEVELOPER DID MAKE AVAILABLE TO US SO THAT WE COULD BRING BACK SOME DIFFERENT RENDERINGS.

BUT I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL TERMS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SPACE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT ROADWAY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THE DIFFERENCE OF THE OPTIONS WITHIN ABOUT 20 FEET.

AND SO I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL TERMS, IT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN WHERE THE BERM ENDS AND WHERE HAMPTON ROAD IS FROM THE EXISTING SOUTHERN PERIMETER OF HAMPTON ROADS.

SO YOU HAVE A A VERY SPECIFIC AREA OF WHICH YOU'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING A ROADWAY THROUGH.

SURE. AND THEN WHEN WE WHEN WE ACQUIRE RIGHT OF WAY AHEAD OF TIME, A SITUATION WHERE A DEVELOPER IS NOT REQUIRED TO BUILD A FACILITY FOR US, BUT WE ARE THROUGH WHATEVER NEGOTIATION OR WHATEVER PLANNING PROCESS WE'RE IN, WE'RE ACQUIRING RIGHT OF WAY AHEAD OF TIME.

THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A REQUIREMENT THAT WE BUILD OUT TO THE EDGE OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE MAY HAVE PLANS TODAY FOR AA4 LANE FACILITY THAT'S GOT GOOD BIG SIDE PATHS ON EITHER SIDE, A BUNCH OF TREE PLANTINGS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

WE COULD AT SOME FUTURE DATE ALSO DECIDE, WELL, THAT NEEDS TO BE A TWO LANE FACILITY WITH THE BIG SIDE PATHS AND THE TREE PLANTINGS.

WE WE DON'T HAVE TO USE EVERYTHING THAT WE ACQUIRE WHEN WE GET GOOD RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATIONS.

THE CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION IS BASED ON 110 FEET, WHICH IS WHAT IS BASED ON THE RIGHT OF WAY NEEDED TO BUILD A SECONDARY ARTERIAL, WHICH IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR MOBILITY PLAN. RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE NIGHT THAT WE APPROVED THE PDE AND THE QUESTION.

THERE WERE TWO THINGS.

ONE, WE HAD THE NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOOD TELL US, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE BACK TO TALK ABOUT TRUCKS AND TRAFFIC AT SOME FUTURE DATE.

AND THEN TWO, THE QUESTION WAS POSED, IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT APPROVING THIS PD THAT LOCKS THE CITY INTO A PARTICULAR ALIGNMENT OF THE ROAD? AND THE ANSWER WAS NO.

AND THAT'S THAT'S A CORRECT EVEN WITH A RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION AS PART OF THE PD.

THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THE CONDITIONS WE'VE PLACED ON THE DEVELOPER THAT LOCKS US THE CITY INTO A PARTICULAR ALIGNMENT.

IS THAT BASICALLY CORRECT? SO THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION WAS NOT A CONDITION ASSOCIATED WITH THE PD.

SO THE THE PD IS SILENT AS TO WHERE THE ROAD OCCURS.

SO THAT WAS THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THE CONCEPT PLANS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AT A HIGH LEVEL AT THAT TIME TO SEE HOW THAT ROADWAY COULD BE ACCOMMODATED.

AND THEN ALSO WITH THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT WAS HAVING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE APPLICANT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT FUTURE ALIGNMENT CONNECTIONS GENERALLY IN THIS AREA HERE, BECAUSE WHEN WITH THEIR DRIVE COMING DOWN AND OR IMPROVEMENTS TO MASS BRANCH, HOW THAT ALIGNMENT COMES INTO PLAY.

THERE WAS THE PD DOES MAKE SOME ACKNOWLEDGMENT THERE THAT THAT COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ACCESS THAT WOULD BE EVALUATED AND STILL HAVE TO MEET WHATEVER DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN PLACE AT THAT TIME.

BUT REALLY, THAT'S THE ONLY THE ONLY REFERENCE THAT THE PD MAKES OR THAT INCLUDES.

BUT THIS, THIS RIGHT OF WAY ALIGNMENT AND WORKING WITH THEM, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE NATURAL PROCESS THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE AND WORKING WITH APPLICANT LOOKING AT. IN THIS CASE THEY WERE PROPOSING TO DEDICATE ALL OF THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE ROADWAY, WHICH IS FREE, RIGHT OF WAY FOR US, WHICH IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT HAVING TO BE OUT THERE AND ACQUIRING IT.

BUT THEY WERE WILLING TO DEDICATE THAT RIGHT OF WAY TO US AND WORKING WITH AND WORKING WITH US AND THEIR DEVELOPMENT AS IT COMES FORTH.

SO IT'S JUST PART OF THE NATURAL PROCESS AND WORKING ON DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS.

SURE. AND AS PART OF THAT NATURAL PROCESS, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THE ALIGNMENT THAT THEY INCLUDED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD PRESENTATIONS WAS PART OF

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SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, WE DID TALK ABOUT IDEALLY WHERE THAT ROAD WOULD OCCUR AND THE PRESENTATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAD SHARED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ILLUSTRATED WHERE WHERE THEY WERE PROPOSING TO PROVIDE FOR THE ROADWAY.

ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD CONTINUOUSLY FROM THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME IS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT PRESERVING THAT GROVE OF TREES THAT'S IN THIS AREA HERE. THEY DID NOT WANT TO SEE THOSE TREES BE REMOVED.

I KNOW OUR POLICY USUALLY HERE IN THE GOALS OF OUR COUNCIL HAVE ALSO BEEN TO PRESERVE TREES AND WORK WITH THEM AS BEST AS WE CAN.

SO THE DEVELOPER FELT LIKE AND STAFF TOO, FELT LIKE THIS WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR A WIN HERE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE THESE TREES.

IT JUST MAINTAINS A STRONGER BUFFER BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED TO THE TO THE NORTH.

THE TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NOWHERE IN ANY OF THE CONVERSATIONS I WERE INVOLVED WITH WHERE THE DEVELOPER CAME TO US OR EVEN THE RESIDENTS COMING TO US AND SAYING, WE DON'T WANT THE ROADWAY IN THAT LOCATION.

AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF, THIS WAS A VERY WELL IN NEGOTIATED EFFORT BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DEVELOPER AT THAT TIME.

AND WE WERE THEN ADVISING BASED UPON OUR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE OR ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO INCLUDE AS PART OF THE PD CONSIDERATION, BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THIS WAS COMING THROUGH AS A STRAIGHT REZONING REQUEST.

IT DID NOT GET CONVERTED TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT UNTIL AFTER THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND BEFORE COMING TO COUNCIL WHEN THEY WERE PROPOSING TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE BUFFERING, BECAUSE THAT WAS A PRIMARY CONCERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AT LEAST BEING COMMUNICATED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.

TO US, CONCERN REGARDING TRUCKS AND JUST INCREASED TRAFFIC ON HAMPTON ROAD.

THOSE COMMENTS WERE MADE.

BUT AGAIN, THE RESIDENTS WERE SPEAKING IN FAVOR TO THE EXHIBITS THAT WERE BEING PUT FORTH THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS.

AND SO SO THAT'S HOW THIS ROADWAY ALIGNMENT OCCURRED AS A RESULT OF THAT, THAT PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AND NEIGHBORHOOD PARTICIPATION.

CAN YOU FLIP TO SLIDE THREE, PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY. AND WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THREE.

YEAH, JUST ONE ON THE RIGHT ONE.

NO. ONE BACK THE THIS ONE PLAN.

YEAH. AND WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT WHAT THE NEIGHBORS RESPONDED TO AND WHAT THEY SAW.

I'M GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF BLAME FOR THAT, BECAUSE AS I'VE BEEN REPRESENTING THEM SINCE 2019, AND DURING THAT WHOLE TIME, I'VE BEEN GOING OUT THERE TELLING THEM WINDSOR'S GOING TO CROSS 35, WINDSOR'S GOING TO CONNECT TO MOCHE BRANCH.

THERE WILL BE WAREHOUSES SOMEWHERE IN YOUR VICINITY.

THERE WILL BE LOGISTICS HERE.

YOU ALL NEED TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA THAT THERE WILL BE A BIG CITY FACILITY COMING THROUGH HERE SOMEPLACE.

AND I THINK WHAT WE HEARD FROM THEM, JUST MY READ OF WHAT WE HEARD FROM THEM DURING THE PD PROCESS WAS THAT ROADS COMING.

BUT ONE NEIGHBOR PUT IT TO ME THIS WAY, WE'VE GOT ABOUT AS MUCH CHANCE AS THOSE CANADIAN GEESE ON THE POND THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE HERE AFTER ALL THIS WHOLE AREA DEVELOPS.

THAT ROAD'S COMING FOR US REGARDLESS, AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW.

TO ME, IT'S TIME TO CUT THE DEVELOPER LOOSE.

IT'S TIME TO SAY THIS IS A CITY MOBILITY QUESTION, AND NOT ESPECIALLY IF THEY GO THROUGH WITH THEIR PLAN TO CONVEY THAT PARCEL TO SOMEONE ELSE ENTIRELY THAT THE PD HAS HAPPENED.

WE DON'T HAVE TO OPEN UP THE PD TO HAVE A GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW FAR CAN WE EEK THE ROAD THIS WAY OR THAT WAY TO SAVE SOME TREES.

HOW WIDE DOES THAT GRASSY STRIP WE HAVE TO MOW REALLY NEED TO BE? HOW MUCH RIDE AWAY DO WE REALLY HAVE TO BUY TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE WANT? BECAUSE FROM WHERE I'M SITTING.

YES, WE CAN MOVE WITHIN 1000 FEET.

ANY DOTTED LINE THAT WE PUT ON ANY MOBILITY THOROUGHFARE PLAN.

AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.

AND THAT'S THAT'S AN EXPECTATION WE SHOULD COMMUNICATE OFTEN AND THAT WE NEED TO MAKE CLEAR TO FOLKS IT'S A DOTTED LINE.

WE CAN MOVE IT IN THE FUTURE.

BUT WE ALSO CONVEY SOMETHING PRETTY CLEAR WHEN WE HAVE A DOTTED LINE THAT IS SEPARATE FROM THE GRAY LINE, THE SEPARATE AND APART FROM IT.

AND WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SAID REPEATEDLY, WHETHER IT WAS WE LIKE THAT, WHAT THIS DEVELOPER HAS DONE.

WITH REGARD TO THAT ONE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE INTERESTS THAT WERE AT STAKE AT THAT TIME, WHAT WAS REPRESENTED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK, WAS THIS ROAD'S COME IN, BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE FOR A WHILE.

THERE'S NOT MONEY FOR IT YET.

THERE'S NO BOND ISSUE FOR IT YET.

THAT'S TOMORROW'S FIGHT.

WELL, HERE'S TOMORROW AND HERE'S THE CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO TAKE OFF THE DEVELOPER AND PUT ON US NOW AND TALK ABOUT THE MOBILITY PLAN.

AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MOBILITY PLAN, WE TALK ABOUT DO WE WANT 18 WHEELERS GOING OVER RESIDENTIAL STREETS? DO WE WANT MAKING THAT THAT JUMP FROM WESTERN BOULEVARD ACROSS TO CINDY TO THE NEW WINDSOR? DO WE WANT INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE LIKE THE ONE AT UNIVERSITY AND SUNSET WHERE A BIG FACILITY KIND OF COMES IN AT A Y WITH A SMALLER FACILITY THAT DOESN'T

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BUT RECOGNIZE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO THAT THE CITY FACILITY IS DIFFERENT FROM THE PD IS DIFFERENT FROM THE REPRESENTATIONS MADE BY THE DEVELOPER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND NOW'S THE TIME TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ROAD WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE THAT'S OUR ROAD.

THAT'S NOT HIS ROAD.

AND AND THAT'S OUR DECIDING WHERE THE TREES AND THE SIDEWALKS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF ARE GOING TO BE.

AND I THINK THAT THERE I RECOGNIZE THE SPACE LIMITATIONS.

I THINK THERE'S MORE THAN JUST THE TWO OPTIONS THAT THEY'RE VERY CAPABLE ENGINEERS CAME UP WITH.

I DON'T THINK WE NECESSARILY NEED 20 FEET TO MOW.

WE COULD GO DOWN TO TEN OR FIVE OR NO FEET TO MOW AND JUST MAINTAIN SEPARATE FACILITIES.

SO, YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S MY DIRECTION AT THIS TIME WOULD BE TO MAINTAIN THIS SEPARATION ON THE MOBILITY PLAN AND TO AMEND IT ANY WAY THAT WE NEED TO TO MAINTAIN THAT SEPARATION TO SHOW THAT THOSE WILL BE SEPARATE FACILITIES, THAT RANCH ESTATES AND HAMPTON ROAD WILL REMAIN SEPARATE FROM THE TRUCK ROUTE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S WHAT NEW WINDSOR IS GOING TO BE, IS A TRUCK ROUTE FROM 35 TO THE LOGISTICS CENTERS WEST OF 35.

YEAH, IT'LL BE REGIONAL TRAFFIC SERVING THE AREA.

IN ADDITION TO THE TRUCKS, IT'LL BE THE EMPLOYEES THAT WORK WITHIN THE AREA AND IN ADDITIONAL GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENS.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TRAFFIC.

I AGREE WITH YOU. IF IT'S THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ROADWAY FACILITIES, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPERATIVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT IS DONE AS PART OF THIS EFFORT.

MM HMM. ANY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE THEN MAY FOUR TWO.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO SLIDE FIVE, I JUST WANT TO SOME CLARIFICATION.

THE TREE BUFFER THAT REFERS TO THE 93 TO 93 TREE TREES.

YES. THOSE WOULD BE WITHIN THIS AREA HERE, WITHIN THE RED CROSS HATCHED AREA THAT'S THERE.

IT'S ILLUSTRATED GENERALLY IN THIS AREA HERE.

SO IT'S HARD TO SEE IN MY APOLOGIES THIS LINE, IF YOU CAN SEE WHERE I'M POINTING TO, THIS IS THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE PD, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT OF THAT BLACK LINE ON THIS EXHIBIT HERE. SO THIS IS WHERE THEY TRY TO ILLUSTRATE ALL OF THE TREES THAT WOULD BE PLANTED IN ADDITION TO THE BUFFER.

SO THE TREES DROP DOWN BELOW THAT.

DO WE KNOW HOW MANY TREES THERE ARE THERE? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I COULD GO BACK AND PULL THE EXHIBITS AND ANSWER HERE MOMENTARILY BECAUSE I THINK THEY WERE DOCUMENTED.

SO THESE TREES WERE THE TREES THAT ARE TO THE SOUTH.

THIS GROUPING HERE, AS WELL AS ALL OF THESE AND THESE THAT ARE ALONG AND THROUGH HERE.

I THINK I HAVE THOSE NUMBERS IN MY NOTEBOOK.

IF YOU WANT TO GO TO OUR NEXT QUESTION, I CAN GO LOOK IT UP AND COME BACK AND TELL YOU JUST NO PROBLEM.

AND IF YOU ALSO HAVE IT, I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW HOW LONG THAT AREA IS, THE NUMBER OF TREES, AND JUST TALK ABOUT THE TERMS OF LENGTH.

I DIDN'T KNOW WE PUT THAT EXHIBIT IN.

DO WE DO THAT HERE? OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

OKAY. MAYOR PUTNAM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO.

WHAT ARE THE I THINK IT WASN'T SORT OF MADE CLEAR.

I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HEAR A LOT OF AGREEMENT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD INVOLVEMENT IS IS REALLY, REALLY CRITICAL.

BUT I'M ALSO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A COUPLE OF THINGS, HOW THE THE 93 TREES IN THE LITTLE, LITTLE SLIM SECTION THAT THAT THE DEVELOPER BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THAT THAT THE DEVELOPER WAS INCLUDING IN THE AGRICULTURAL PARCEL BUT THAT WAS NOT A PART OF THE PD AGREEMENT.

THAT IS CORRECT. SEPARATE AGREEMENT.

THAT WAS JUST A COMMITMENT THAT THE DEVELOPER WAS MAKING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WERE OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

WE CANNOT ENFORCE THOSE AND MAKE THEM CONDITIONS WITHIN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE ON THE DISTRICT ONLY ADDRESS WITH WHAT'S IN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PD.

SO ANY COMMITMENTS THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS MADE ABOVE AND BEYOND OUTSIDE THE AREA OF THEIR ZONING REQUEST IS THE THANK YOU IS THE DEVELOPER'S RESPONSIBILITY.

SO IN CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO GOOD FAITH EFFORT.

AND WHEN YOU CAME UP WITH THE ORIGINAL VERSUS OPTION ONE VERSUS OPTION TWO, THE DEVELOPER.

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THEY HAD COMMUNICATED THAT TO US WHEN WE HAD MET WITH THEM.

SO THEY WE'VE BEEN FULLY TRANSPARENT WITH THEM THAT WE WOULD BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AND THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF THAT DEPENDING UPON WHAT OUR WHAT COUNCIL'S DECISION IS WITH RESPECT TO THE ROADWAY, THAT THAT COULD COMPROMISE SOME OF THOSE COMMITMENTS THAT THEY MADE TO THE HOMEOWNERS.

AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS IT CAME UP RECENTLY ON ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, SORT OF I BELIEVE THEY'RE CALLED SKIP ROADS, WHERE YOU HAVE A SLIP ROAD.

A SLIP ROAD. SLIP ROAD.

YES, WE HAVE.

THANK YOU FOR THE CORRECTION.

THAT'S RIGHT. WHERE YOU HAVE A ROAD PARALLEL TO ANOTHER ROAD.

YES. AND SO ARE WE NOT, IN EFFECT, CREATING THAT WITH OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO? AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE ENGINEERING WISE, WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF THAT? I'M GONNA INVITE BECKY UP HERE TO ASSIST WITH THAT.

YOU'RE RIGHT. WE DID EXPLORE THE OPTION OF A SLIP ROAD BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

WE HAD CONVERSATIONS ALSO WITH COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONCERN REGARDING IF THE EXISTING HAMPTON ROAD WAS TO SERVE AS THE SLIP ROAD TO THE NEW HAMPTON ROAD, THEN ANY CONNECTIONS FROM WE'LL CALL THE OLD HAMPTON ROADS SLIP ROAD INTO THE NEW HAMPTON ROADWAY MIGHT BE OF CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL FOR COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC TO STILL PROGRESS THROUGH POTENTIALLY THROUGH THE RANCH ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD TO SEEK AN ALTERNATE PATH TO GET UP TO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO CALL THIS WINDSOR SLASH HAMPTON.

SO THE THUNDER ROAD, RIGHT.

WE GO TO A GRAPHIC.

WE LOOKED AT THAT BECAUSE WE REALIZE IF THIS IF THE EXISTING HAMPTON WAS RECONSTRUCTED AS SOME SORT OF SLIP ROAD, PRESUMABLY IT WOULD NEED TO TIE IN TO THIS NEW ROADWAY THAT'S ALONG THROUGH HERE. AND HOW THOSE TIE INS WOULD OCCUR, WE WOULD HAVE TO FURTHER EVALUATE.

BUT AGAIN, WE CINDY ROAD CONNECTING FROM 380 ALL THE WAY UP TO THE EXISTING HAMPTON.

THERE WAS SOME CONCERN THAT TRAFFIC WOULD STILL TRY TO MAKE ITS WAY THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD VIA CINDY TAI INTO THE SLIP ROAD TO THEN SNAKE THEIR WAY UP TO THIS NEW ROADWAY FACILITY.

IT BECOMES A MORE CIRCUITOUS ROUTE AND MORE CONFLICT POINTS.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT AFTER SOMEONE WOULD DO THAT A FEW TIMES, THAT THEY MIGHT FIND IT'S REALLY NOT WORTH THE TROUBLE IN THE EFFORT.

BUT BUT TRAFFIC IS ALSO LIKE WATER.

IT CHOOSES THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE SOMETIMES.

SO. SO I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONCERN IF THAT SLIP ROAD DESIGN WAS TO COME ABOUT THEN AND WE TIED IN TO THE NEW ROADWAY, THAT THAT COULD STILL LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN WITH COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THE AREA.

AND EXTREMELY BRIEFLY AS A FOLLOW UP, THEY.

YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS THE DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

HAVE THE OPTION ONE AN OPTION, TOO, BEEN PART OF DISCUSSIONS? THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY PART OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER.

THEY'VE BEEN PART OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

HAVE NOT. NOT AT THIS TIME.

YOU KNOW, THESE OPTIONS ARE REALLY AS A RESULT OF THE TWO MINUTE PITCH.

I THINK BASED ON THE DIRECTION THAT WE GET TODAY, THAT WOULD BE THE TIME TO GO OUT.

AND AS COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS SAID, DEPENDING ON THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL, WILL GO OUT AND HAVE THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

BUT AT THIS POINT, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO REACH THESE CONVERSATIONS.

SO THAT'S WHAT THIS DISCUSSION WOULD LEAD US TO.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT WE HAD WAS CANOPY TREES IN THE OPEN SPACE ALONG HAMPTON.

THEY HAD CALLED OUT 19.

LET ME GET TO THAT GRAPHIC HERE REAL QUICK.

ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE.

SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THESE HERE.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE ABOUT 19 ADDITIONAL TREES THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING TO SUPPLEMENT IN THIS AREA.

AND THEN IT SAYS CEDAR TREES ALONG EASTERN PROPERTY.

SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THEY WERE ADDITIONAL TREES THAT THEY WERE ADDING OVER HERE.

UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE A TREE COUNT FOR ALL OF THESE LARGER TREES THAT ARE HERE AT THIS TIME.

ALL I HAVE IS WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING TO SUPPLEMENT WITH.

ANY OTHER QUESTION? QUESTIONS THE COUNCILMAN WHAT'S.

THANK YOU. GREAT. SO I GUESS AND MAYBE I'LL HAVE AN OFFLINE CONVERSATION, BUT I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE.

SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN WE COME TO THE MOBILITY PLAN WITH WINDSOR DRIVE COMING ACROSS, THAT THE QUESTION BECOMES DO WE USE THE EXISTING HAMPTON ROAD ALIGNMENT AND EITHER RECONSTRUCT IT TO BE WHATEVER THAT.

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AND COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND AND UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE BIFURCATION OF THE PD, BECAUSE THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT PART OF THE PD.

IT'S IT'S JUST WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT WITH IT.

IN THE CONTEXT OF WE HAD A PRETTY EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION.

AND I THINK THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD A PRETTY EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION WITH THE WITH THE DEVELOPER TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT ROAD, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT PART OF HIS PD, BUT WITH BUFFERING AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT, BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO BE PROTECTED.

SO WHEN I SEE THIS, I'M LIKE, OKAY, I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION WHEN THE PD PASSED, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT EVERYBODY'S EXPECTATIONS WERE ABOUT THAT STRETCH OF THE ROAD, OR AM I MISTAKEN? IS THAT I MEAN, AS FAR AS BUFFERING, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

IT'S REALLY NOT OUR ROAD, BUT WE'LL AGREE TO DO THIS AND THAT, TO HIDE IT BASED UPON THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONVERSATION.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION, COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, IS THIS A CONCERN THAT YOU ARE NOT A CONCERN.

IS THIS AN OBSERVATION YOU'RE BRINGING UP BECAUSE OF FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT CONTEXT.

I APOLOGIZE, MAYOR. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WHERE WE HOW WE GOT TO HERE.

SURE. NO, THAT'S THAT'S FAIR.

THIS IS I BROUGHT THIS PITCH UP BECAUSE OF WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD EXPRESSED THE NIGHT THAT WE PASSED THE PD, WHICH WAS.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT WINDSOR IS A QUESTION FOR TOMORROW.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT MR. RAMSAY IS DEVELOPING A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND IS DOING IT VERY WELL, AND WE APPRECIATE WHAT HE'S DOING.

MY UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR UNDERSTANDING AND I REALIZE I'M PLAYING THE TELEPHONE GAME HERE.

IS THAT THAT.

THAT PIECE OF ROAD WAS AT THE CITY'S DIRECTION AND THAT THE DEVELOPER IN THE PD WAS FOCUSED ON SHELTERING THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM HIS DEVELOPMENT, FROM HIS COMPANY'S DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT'S THE THAT'S THE TREE BUFFER IN THAT RED HATCH AREA.

CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. AND AGAIN, THAT THAT HAMPTON IS UNDER THE RED LINE, THE BOTTOM, THE MOST SOUTHERLY RED LINE ON THIS ON THIS GRAPHIC.

THE THE CONCERN I HAVE REPRESENTING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND KNOWING WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN FROM THERE, THEIR ADVOCACY TO GET THAT RED LIGHT PUT IN OR THAT STOP LIGHT PUT IN AT CINDY AND WESTERN BOULEVARD UP THROUGH THAT NIGHT AT THE PD WAS.

THAT. THAT HAMPTON ROAD IS NOT SUITED FOR CONNECTION WITH TRUCK TRAFFIC, THAT THROUGH TRAFFIC OF TRUCKS IS A CONCERN THAT THEY WILL HAVE TODAY AND WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE.

SO KIND OF PUTTING THOSE THINGS TOGETHER.

WHEN THEY HAD THEIR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER, THEY WERE NOT NECESSARILY TALKING ABOUT OR THINKING ABOUT THE CITY IS GOING TO PUT THIS THROUGH.

THEY THOUGHT THEY TALKED ABOUT THEY USE WORDS LIKE UNFUNDED.

IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.

WHO KNOWS WHEN THIS WILL HAPPEN? I KNOW AS THEIR COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT AS SOON AS WE TAKE A RIGHT AWAY DEDICATION TO FREE LAND, THEN THE NEXT THREE, FOUR OR FIVE, SIX COUNCILS DOWN THE ROAD, WE LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, WELL, WHY DON'T WE SHOOT THE FREE LAND? WHY DON'T WE GO DOWN THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION THAT WE'VE ALREADY SECURED AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS SUNK AT THAT POINT.

AT THAT POINT, THE CONVERSATION IS DONE.

THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION TODAY, BECAUSE WHEN THE MONEY IS THERE FOR WINDSOR, IT'S TOO LATE.

THAT RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION.

WE ARE NEW NEIGHBORS, WE ARE NEW COUNCIL.

WE ARE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND WE'VE ALREADY PICKED FOR THEM WHERE THAT ROAD IS GOING TO GO INSTEAD OF PICKING.

NOW, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WAS FULLY EXPLORED BECAUSE IT WASN'T THAT DEVELOPER'S JOB TO EXPLORE THAT CONVERSATION THAT.

IF THAT RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION COMES THROUGH AND THE CITY IS LOCKED INTO IT, THAT THAT'S WHERE THAT ROAD IS GOING TO GO.

IT'S NOT GOING TO IT'S NOT GOING TO THERE COULD BE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS DO YOU SPEND ON FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY AT THAT TIME.

BUT A FUTURE COUNCIL WILL PUT THAT ROAD JUST LIKE WE DO ALL THE TIME.

IF WE WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE BONNIE BRAE GOES, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS LOCKED IN YEARS AND YEARS AGO WITH RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPER AGREEMENTS. IF WE'RE GOING HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT BRUSH CREEK AS IT COMES ACROSS.

377 WELL, WE'VE ALREADY LOCKED IN THE SAGEBRUSH FOLKS WHERE THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS THAT ROADS GOING THERE.

THAT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD IS DECIDING TODAY ON A BAD LOCATION OF THAT ROAD BY ACCIDENT, BY JUST NOT FULLY HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DON'T THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY SAW THIS GRAPHIC, THAT MEANS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ALL RIGHT, AOK, TAKE UP HAMPDEN, REPLACE IT WITH A FOUR LANE ROAD THAT'S GOT A BUNCH OF TRUCKS ON IT AND CONNECT IT WITH 380 BY TWO DIFFERENT FACILITIES.

ALL RIGHT. SO GO AHEAD.

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AND I WOULD MENTION THAT HAMPTON ROAD IN ITS EXISTING STATE WOULD CHANGE IF THE ALIGNMENT WOULD BE THAT THIS IS WHERE THE ROAD GOES AND THE RIGHT OF WAY.

IT WOULD CHANGE FROM BEING THAT.

IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF A COUNTRY LANE TYPE SECTION.

IT WOULD CHANGE TO THAT SECONDARY ARTERIAL, AND THAT'S THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE MOBILITY PLAN.

BUT OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO RECEIVE THAT COUNCIL DIRECTION TO MAKE THE BEST DETERMINATION AS TO WHERE THE ALIGNMENT OF THE ROADWAY GOES.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO LOOKING FOR DIRECTION? I'LL TELL YOU FOR ME.

THE GROVE OF TREES WAS IMPORTANT TO.

IT'S ALL IMPORTANT, RIGHT? BUT YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE IT.

TAKE IT ALL IN FOR ME.

AND THE GROVE OF TREES WAS IMPORTANT WHERE HE STRATEGICALLY PLACED A, B AND C, HE MENTIONED BECAUSE OF SIGHT LINES THAT THEY COULD SEE THROUGH.

AND SO THAT THOSE ARE IMPORTANT.

AND SO TO TAKE OUT ANY OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE BATTLE OF, YOU KNOW.

TO LESS GREAT LESS THAN GREAT OPTIONS.

BUT WHAT I KNOW TODAY IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS OKAY WITH AS PROPOSED.

AND SO AND I CAN'T GET ON BOARD WITH WIPING OUT THOSE TREES.

I DON'T THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD EITHER.

I MEAN, BUT BOTH THOSE THINGS PROPOSED WOULD WIPE THAT OUT AND THAT I DON'T THINK I CAN GET ON BOARD WITH.

AND SO IF THERE'S IF THERE'S ANY FLEX SPACE BETWEEN THE EXISTING HAMPTON ROAD AND THE UTILITY POLES THAT ARE THERE, THEN GREAT, WE CAN EXPAND, CREATE, WALK, TRAIL, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO TO FURTHER GIVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SOME CUSHION FROM THE ROAD.

BUT HERE'S MY MY PRIMARY CONCERN AND CORRECT ME WHERE I'M WRONG, I'M NOT CONCERNED.

BUT MY MY POINT I'D LIKE TO RAISE THEY SHOW THE MOBILITY PLAN SHOWS THIS CONNECTING ON THE WEST SIDE WITH LOOP 28.

RIGHT. THAT BLACK DOTTED LINE IS LOOP 28.

THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN SOON BECAUSE HILLWOOD AND COAL DEMAND IT RIGHT? AND IT'S ON EVERYONE'S RADAR FROM THE STATE LEVEL AS WELL.

SO THE STATE SAYS THAT'S IMMINENT.

AND SO THE STATE SAYS EITHER THEY'RE GOING TO DO BUILD IT OUT TO ITS CAPACITY AND COME AROUND THE CORNER AND NOT GO ALL THE WAY DOWN OR IT CAN DO ONE LANE KIND OF ALL THE WAY DOWN. PENN THAT'S THAT'S THE DISCUSSION.

BUT THAT WILL HAPPEN FASTER THAN HAMPTON WILL HAPPEN.

AND SO IF I IF THEN IF I'M THINKING 18 WHEELER TRAFFIC, THEY'RE GOING TO OPT FOR THE HIGHWAY ROUTE VERSUS HAMPTON JUST BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE.

AND SO YEAH, I JUST CAN'T GET ON BOARD WITH DRAMAT AND MAKING THAT DRAMATIC CHANGE.

HAVING SAT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD DISCUSSIONS, HAVING SAT THROUGH THERE, HE CLEARLY POINTED OUT, HEY, I'M KEEPING THIS GROVE OF TREES AND I'M PLANNING THESE ADDITIONAL TREES TO MITIGATE GAPS.

MATTER OF FACT, THAT'S WHEN I MADE THE JOKE ABOUT THE TWO COWS.

THAT'S WHERE THE TWO COWS HANG OUT IS RIGHT THERE ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

AND RIGHT THERE, THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION ABOUT, HEY, I'M SHIELDING THEIR VIEW ALL THE WAY AROUND.

AND SO I'M GOING TO DEFER AND STAND WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS DISCUSSION BACK, BET ON THE FACT THAT LOOP 28 WILL BE COMPLETE WELL IN ADVANCE OF HAVING THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT HAMPTON, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE.

AND SO TRUCK TRAFFIC AND ALSO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE HIS PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD AT THE PACE IT WAS ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED.

SO THAT'S THE OTHER THING. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A TENANT THAT'S GOING TO MOVE AS FAST ON THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IT'S AS IMMINENT.

AND I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S AS IMMINENT AS IT WAS WHEN WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION.

IT MAY BE THINGS CHANGE RAPIDLY, EVEN IF IT IS.

I KNOW, LOOK, TRADE EIGHT IS IMMINENT BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE.

AND I'VE BEEN IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH WITH THE TECH STOCK CONSULTANTS, ETC., AND I KNOW THAT'S COMING.

SO I TAKE COMFORT IN THAT WILL BE THE PREFERRED ROUTE OF 18 WHEELER TRAFFIC AND I DON'T WANT I 35 IS AND THAT'S YEARS BUT ONCE I HAVE 35 IS IT JUST THAT THERE'S JUST NO REASON TO GO THROUGH RENT ESTATES BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE FLYOVERS OR YOU HAVE LOOP 28, YOU JUST HAVE DIFFERENT DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

SO MY DIRECTION IS TO GO WITH THE PLAN AS PRESENTED BECAUSE THE OTHER OPTIONS JUST DON'T WORK FOR ME. THEY GO AGAINST EVERYTHING.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU'D HAVE TO SCRAP THE WHOLE THING AND START OVER BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE PLACED ON THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE REMOVED.

DIRECTION. WE'RE 10 MINUTES OVER, COUNCILWOMAN DAVIS.

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MY DIRECTION WOULD BE TO ENGAGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THIS QUESTION, TO HAVE A FULL ON NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND NOT TO PRESENT THEM WITH OPTION ONE.

AND OPTION TWO IS THE ONLY OPTIONS, BECAUSE THOSE BOTH OF THOSE GET INTO THAT GROVE OF TREES.

THAT SECOND OPTION THAT PRESERVES THE MOST OF THAT GROVE OF TREES IS A 60 FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN CURRENT HAMPTON AND NEW BIG WINDSOR.

THERE ARE MORE OPTIONS AVAILABLE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS NOT ASKED THESE QUESTIONS.

WHERE DO YOU WANT THIS ROAD TO GO? THEY WERE ASKED QUESTIONS OF A, B, AND C, THE VIEWS FROM YOUR FRONT PORCH.

HOW CAN YOU SEE THIS DEVELOPMENT FROM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? HOW DOES THIS DEVELOPMENT AFFECT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? NOT THIS ROAD A, B, AND C? THOSE VISTAS, THOSE BEAUTIFUL VIEWS WILL BE A FOUR LANE ARTERIAL WITH 18 WHEELERS.

THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO BE WHAT THE COWS SEE, BECAUSE CAN WE GO BACK TO THE MOBILITY PLAN JUST REAL QUICKLY, PLEASE? I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR.

THAT LOOP TO 88 IS GOING TO COME BEFORE THIS WINDSOR EXTENSION, BUT THE NEXT THING TO HAPPEN IS GOING TO BE THIS WINTER WINDSOR EXTENSION, THAT DOTTED GREEN LINE.

WE NEED THAT DOTTED GREEN LINE CONNECTING ALL OF THESE LOGISTIC CENTERS THAT WE'RE APPROVING AND THAT WE'RE INVITING HERE OVER TO.

LUKE 288 AND OVER TO 35, THAT WINDSOR IS GOING TO BECOME A REAL IMPORTANT PROJECT IN ABOUT TEN, 15 YEARS AND MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT SOONER.

THERE WILL BE PRESSURE TO DO THAT AND TODAY'S THE TIME TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT.

WHERE WE PUT THIS ROAD, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY SAW AT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS FOR WHAT THE DEVELOPERS RESPONSIBILITIES WERE.

THAT WAS NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TELLING US WHERE THEY WANT THE ROAD TO GO.

THAT WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TELLING US WHAT THEY WANTED THE DEVELOPER TO DO TO PUT IN A BUNCH OF WAREHOUSES TO THE NORTH OF THEM.

I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER CONVERSATION WITH THEM.

ANYONE ELSE? BECAUSE WHAT? YEAH. FIRST OF ALL, COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ADVOCACY FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU'VE DONE IT STEADFASTLY OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT YOU'VE REPRESENTED THEM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I KNOW THEY APPRECIATE IT.

SO I THINK FOR ME, IT SEEMS THIS IS JUST THE THOUGHT I WOULD HAVE.

I DON'T KNOW IF RIGHT NOW I WOULD BE ON BOARD WITH STAFF TAKING THE TIME TO GO.

ME. YOU'RE YOU KNOW, YOU BROUGHT THIS UP AS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, FORWARD THINKING FOR THEM, FOR THIS SITUATION THAT THEY HAVEN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT.

I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT IF YOU HAD A COMMUNICATION WITH THEM AND IF THEY REACHED OUT TO US TO SAY, HEY, THIS, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T AWARE OF THIS.

I THINK IT'S IT'S ALMOST GOING FROM HERE.

WE HAD THIS ALL RESOLVED TO, OH, WE'VE GOT THIS PROBLEM WE NEED TO TELL THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT.

I THINK IT'S JUST AN EDUCATION FOR THEM BECAUSE I'M YOU KNOW, THIS AND I KNOW THIS, THAT IF SOMETHING IS PRESENTED TO THEM IN A WAY LIKE YOU'VE PRESENTED IT TO US TONIGHT, AND THAT IS, HEY, THESE QUESTIONS WEREN'T ANSWERED AND NOR WERE THEY ASKED BECAUSE OF JUST THE PRESENTATION.

I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OPINIONS ABOUT THAT.

SO I DON'T THINK I'M OPPOSED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEING EDUCATED.

I THINK RIGHT NOW I THINK I'M MORE ON BOARD WITH SAYING, OKAY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN MORE INFORMALLY WITH YOU AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVES? AND IF THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT YOU FIND THAT BRING IT FORWARD, UNLESS YOU'VE ALREADY HAD THAT WITH THEM.

BUT STAFF'S GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND THEY'RE SORT OF GOING TO HIT THEM WITH SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF.

AND I JUST THINK THERE'S MAYBE ANOTHER INTERIM STEP IN THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT IT'S REAL EASY FOR THESE THINGS TO BE NEGOTIATED AND TALKED ABOUT.

BUT YET THE OTHER IMPORTANT ISSUE OF THAT WINDSOR ROAD ALIGNMENT WAS NOT REALLY ADDRESSED.

I MEAN, IT WAS NOT ADDRESSED BECAUSE WE ALL SAID, OH, IT'S IN THE MOBILITY.

WE KNOW HOW THAT GOES.

YOU'VE GOT A MOBILITY PLAN.

IT TAKES YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS FOR THESE MAJOR ROADS TO GET DEVELOPED.

AND SO BUT THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD COMES VERY QUICKLY AND IT COMES WITHOUT A WHOLE LOT OF INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY.

AND THEN THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE THESE ISSUES.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARILY A DIRECTION.

I THINK I WANT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE EDUCATED.

I THINK IT'S JUST WHERE DO WE START THAT CONVERSATION? I THINK PERSONALLY, I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH YOU PRESENTING THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'VE BEEN THERE ADVOCATE AND I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES AND YOU UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS, NOT THE STAFF DOESN'T.

BUT THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS.

IT'S IT'S NOT ANYTHING ON YOU.

IT'S MORE OF I REALLY HAVE A LOT OF TRUST IN YOUR ABILITY TO REALLY FERRET THAT OUT WITH THEM ON THE BASIS THAT YOU'VE WORKED WITH THEM OVER THE YEARS.

OC ANYONE ELSE? CNN. ALL RIGHT.

[E. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on pending City Council requests for: (1) A Work Session to discuss updates to Ethics Ordinance Section 2-272C, including adding financial payment for any financial engagement and adding the City Secretary to notice requirements. (2) A Work Session to discuss and review the status of TXDOT roads the City intends to take back, and amendment of the Mobility Plan to include a roundabout at the intersection of Eagle, Bell, Dallas, and Locust. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

ID 22883.

RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON PENDING CITY COUNCIL REQUESTS.

A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS UPDATES.

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THAT'S YOURS. AND AND SO DINNER'S HERE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH THESE TWO. THEN WE'LL TAKE A BREAK AND THEN GO ON.

OUR CLOSED SESSION AFTER CLOSED SESSION WILL CONVENE IMMEDIATELY IN CHAMBERS AND GO THROUGH THE REST OF OUR MEETING.

SO NO REST FOR THE WEARY.

GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT.

GOOD AFTERNOON. JENNIFER ROONEY, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL QUICKLY REVIEW THE WORK SESSION PROCESS.

UP TO SEVEN REQUESTS WILL BE REVIEWED PER MEETING.

THERE WILL BE TWO TODAY.

STAFF WILL INTRODUCE THE REQUEST.

THE ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT MADE THE REQUEST WILL HAVE UP TO 2 MINUTES TO DESCRIBE AND JUSTIFY THAT.

AND THEN THE REMAINING ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL HAVE UP TO ONE MINUTE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND INDICATE THEIR SUPPORT.

AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN RANK THAT AS HIGH, MODERATE OR LOW, AND THAT WILL ASSIST US IN SCHEDULING THAT.

ALL RIGHT. ITEM ONE IS A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS UPDATES TO THE ETHICS ORDINANCE, SECTION 2 TO 7 TO C, INCLUDING ADDING FINANCIAL PAYMENT FOR ANY FINANCIAL ENGAGEMENT AND ADDING THE CITY SECRETARY TO NOTICE REQUIREMENTS.

MAYOR HUDSPETH, THANK YOU.

YEAH. SO JUST REAL CONCISE.

THIS ONE SECTION IS THE SECTION ON DISCLOSURES AND IT IS IT IS NOT.

GIVE AN INDICATION THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE TO DISCLOSE JUST GENERAL PAYMENTS AND IT DOES NOT PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THE CITY SECRETARY.

IT ONLY SENDS IT TO THE AUDITOR.

SO TO TAKE PRESSURE OFF THE AUDITOR ONE IS MY GOAL AND THEN TWO IS TO HAVE DISCLOSURES SO THAT WE CAN ALL HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION WHEN WE VOTE.

I THINK IT'S PRUDENT TO KNOW IF I'VE PAID SOMEONE BEFORE YOU VOTE TO NOMINATE THEM, YOU SHOULD.

EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW I SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HOLD THAT OR HIDE THAT FROM MY MY PEERS.

WE ALL HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION.

THEN WE VOTE.

THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SENT TO THE ETHICS BOARD, BUT THEY COULD NOT COME TO A MAJORITY DECISION.

IT WAS A 2 TO 2 SPLIT.

THEY ONLY HAD FOUR PEOPLE THAT DAY.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M FORCED TO BRING IT TO RESOLVE IT.

THERE ARE NO PENDING CITY COUNCIL ELECTIONS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS, AND SO IT IS PRIME TIME TO DO IT NOW WHEN IT IS VOID OF ANY OF THOSE TYPE PRESSURES.

BUT I THINK IT IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE HAVE DISCLOSURES SO THAT WE ALL HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION.

AND IT DOES NOT PRECLUDE ANYONE FROM VOTING THEIR CONSCIENCE, BUT IT DOES MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION.

NO DIFFERENT THAN THE FRIDAY REPORT GOES.

EVERYONE NO DIFFERENT THAN EMAILS ARE SENT TO EVERYONE.

IT'S RIGHT IN LINE WITH THOSE THINGS.

IT'S JUST A GAP IN THIS.

SO TRYING TO TRUE THAT UP.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

IF Y'ALL AREN'T FINISHED LISTENING TO ME YET, I GUESS YOU WILL BE BY THE END OF THE NIGHT.

SO I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR'S REQUEST.

I THINK THE ETHICS BOARD HAD A REQUEST FROM US TO TO TAKE UP THIS ISSUE.

THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND A CONSENSUS GOING FORWARD.

I THINK PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY ON US.

THAT'S A RULE FOR US TO, AS A BODY, DETERMINE WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY WE EXPECT FROM EACH OTHER AND THAT THE PUBLIC EXPECTS FROM US.

AND THAT'S A HARD THAT'S A THAT'S A HEAVY LIFT TO ASK THE ETHICS BOARD TO DO FROM THEIR SEATS VERSUS FROM OUR SEATS AS THE ELECTED LEADERS.

I LIKE THAT. IT'S IT'S THE REQUEST IS COUCHED AS A DISCLOSURE AND NOT A RECUSAL.

IT'S JUST LIKE WE MAKE DISCLOSURES ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS WITH DEVELOPERS UNDER CERTAIN SITUATIONS.

I THINK DISCLOSURE IS REALLY APPROPRIATE.

A LITTLE SUNSHINE NEVER, NEVER HURT ANYTHING, AND IT USUALLY HELPS.

SO I WELCOME THAT CONVERSATION.

OK ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN. BERT. I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.

WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS REQUEST AND TO DEVELOP THIS WORK SESSION FOR PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? IT COMES FROM MAGUIRE POINT OF CLARIFICATION IS THE REQUEST.

OC SORRY. SO, SO WE ARE REQUESTING A WORK SESSION TO DEVELOP AMENDMENTS AND SORRY.

YES, I SUPPORT HAVING A WORK SESSION TO DEVELOP AMENDMENTS TO THE ETHICS ORDINANCE.

OK. YOU CAN THROW ROCKS.

YEAH. MAYOR, I SUPPORT THE WORK SESSION CONCEPT.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S AN I UNDERSTAND.

I MEAN, I WATCH THE WORK SESSION WHEN YOU ALL DISCUSSED THIS, AND IT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION FOR EVERYBODY TO BE IN, GIVEN THE CONTEXT AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

BUT COME ON, IF SOMEONE IS IF I'M PAYING SOMEONE, IF I'VE PAID SOMEONE AND THEY'RE COMING BEFORE THE COUNCIL ON A VOTE FOR THE COUNCIL TO VOTE ON A SPECIFIC PERSON, I THINK IT'S ONLY CLEAR TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT, EVEN FOR DISCLOSURE.

AND THEN EACH COUNCIL MEMBER CAN DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT TO RECUSE OR NOT.

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I JUST THINK IT'S IT'S PART OF OUR COMMITMENT TO TRANSPARENCY.

AND THERE WASN'T ANY MALCONTENT INVOLVED IN THIS.

IT'S JUST I CALL IT SCAR TISSUE.

IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAPPENS.

IT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.

AND LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T FIND A REMEDY THAT'S THAT'S WORKABLE FOR EVERYBODY, THAT'S TRANSPARENT FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT DOESN'T HAMSTRING EVERYBODY UNNECESSARILY.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE SEE? NONE. OK.

ALL RIGHT. ITEM TWO IS A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS AND REVIEW THE STATUS OF THE TEXTILE ROADS THAT THE CITY INTENDS TO TAKE BACK AND AMENDMENT OF THE MOBILITY PLAN TO INCLUDE A ROUNDABOUT AT THE INTERSECTION OF EAGLE, BELLE, DALLAS AND LOCUST.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SWITCH OFF SO I CAN GET YOUR.

OKAY. CAN I START? YEAH. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS A TWO PART REQUEST.

THE FIRST IS A WORK SESSION ON THE TEXT ROADS AND THE TAKE BACK OF SOME OF THOSE REALLY CITY FACILITIES THAT TEXT OUT IS IN CHARGE OF NOW.

I THINK THAT'S PRETTY A PRETTY EASY ONE.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED AN UPDATE ON.

THOSE ARE SINCE TEXTS DONE SOME REPAIRS, THE QUALITY HAS SUFFERED AND THEN WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO ON THE REST OF THOSE ROADS BEFORE WE GET THEM BACK.

THE SECOND PART OF THIS IS THEY GO HAND IN HAND BECAUSE TEXT IS GOING TO DO SOME WORK ON THESE ROADS BEFORE WE TAKE THEM BACK.

WHAT LEVEL OF WORK THEY DO, TO WHAT STANDARD THEY REPAIR THEM IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION THAT I THINK WE NEED UPDATES ON.

BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE START LOOKING AT IMPROVING A ROAD, WHETHER THAT IS BELL AND DALLAS DRIVE OR EAGLE IS WE START TALKING ABOUT, WELL, NOW IT'S TIME TO REPLACE THE SIGNALS.

DO WE REPLACE THE SIGNALS IN A LEGACY WAY THAT IS JUST LIKE THEY ARE NOW? OR DO WE DO SOMETHING BETTER? WE DID SOMETHING KIND OF IN BETWEEN WHEN WE DID OAKE AND J GO SLASH AVENUE C, WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF UPGRADE, WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF LEGACY SYSTEM.

WHAT WE NEED IN THIS AREA, WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS KIND OF THE PAVED CAR PATHS, RIGHT? WE HAVE WHATEVER WAS THERE BEFORE AND WE PUT PAVEMENT ON IT AND WE WORKED OUT A SIGNAL.

SOME BRILLIANT ENGINEERS FIGURED OUT A WAY TO ANALYZE THAT INTERSECTION.

WHAT WE NEED IS SOMETHING THAT TAKES THE BEST FEATURE OF THIS INTERSECTION, THE GREEN ARROW, WHERE YOU CAN SLIP RIGHT PAST ANY KIND OF LIGHT OR ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC AND KEEP ON YOUR WAY NORTH. IF YOU'RE NORTHBOUND ON DALLAS DRIVE AND AVOIDS THE WORST FEATURES OF THIS INTERSECTION, WHICH ARE ANY WAY YOU WANT TO GO, ANY TURN YOU WANT TO MAKE, THERE IS A POTENTIAL TRAFFIC CONFLICT BECAUSE OF SLIP LANES, BECAUSE OF SIGNAL TIMING.

EVEN IF YOU HAVE A GREEN LIGHT, THERE ARE SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO GO EXACTLY WHERE YOU ARE.

AT THE SAME TIME YOU WANT TO DO IT AT ALL KINDS OF DAY, ALL KINDS OF ALL TIMES OF DAY.

EXCUSE ME. SO MY REQUEST WOULD BE TO FIRST FIND OUT IN THAT WORK SESSION, WHAT ARE WE GETTING BACK FROM TEXT AND WHAT LEVEL OF QUALITY ARE WE GOING TO GET BACK FROM THEM? BUT TO BEFORE WE START REDESIGNING THIS INTERSECTION, TELL US WHAT WE WANT TO TELL THE ENGINEERS WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE BEFORE WE START ASKING FOR TEXT AND COG MONEY FOR REBUILDING SOME OF THESE ROADS OURSELVES OR REDOING THESE INTERSECTIONS IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER. MAGUIRE.

COUNCILMAN. BYRD. THANK YOU.

SO BECKY HAS BEEN BRINGING UPDATES ON ON ELM AND LOCUS TO THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE, BUT I AGREE THAT THIS IS OF PARTICULARLY HIGH IMPORTANCE AND WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THE WHOLE THE WHOLE COUNCIL, NOT JUST THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE.

I'M NOT MARRIED TO THE IDEA OF A ROUNDABOUT, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AREA, ABOUT MOBILITY IN IN THIS WHOLE AREA.

RIGHT. WE'VE WE'VE BEEN VERY FOCUSED IN MOBILITY COMMITTEE ABOUT LOCUST AND ELM AND EAGLE.

BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF MISSED OPPORTUNITIES WITH BELL AS FAR AS LAND USE AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY.

AND SO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION THAT REALLY FOCUSES ON WHAT CAN WE DO WITH BELLE, ESPECIALLY THAT WILL ALLOW MORE OF THAT LAND TO DEVELOP AND ALLOW GREATER PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY.

COUNCILMAN BURT, THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MCGUIRE FOR STEALING MY THUNDER.

THAT'S OKAY. I'M JUST TEASING.

I WAS GOING TO PRETTY MUCH SAY THE SAME THING IN REGARDS TO THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE, RECEIVING THOSE PROPER UPDATES FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

SO ADDING THIS ON AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING IT TO THE COUNCIL OR HAVING THEM TO DO SOME TYPE OF ISR OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT? HOW DID YOU WANT THIS TO PLAY OUT? I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE IT'S A WORK SESSION REQUEST, SO THAT HAS TO COME BEFORE THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.

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OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM. YEAH.

I THINK THERE'S THERE'S NEVER A BAD TIME TO TO TRANSFER INFORMATION FROM THE VARIOUS CAPITAL PROJECTS IN TEXAS.

I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED THAT SORT OF THING.

SO. ABSOLUTELY.

ANY TIME WE WANT THAT SORT OF INFORMATION EXCHANGE, WHETHER IT'S AN ISR OR WORK SESSION, I'M COMPLETELY IN SUPPORT OF THAT.

AND AND I WILL SAY THAT WHILE I LOVE ME A GOOD ROUNDABOUT, I REALLY DO.

I THINK MOST OF OUR POPULATION IS JUST WRONG ABOUT THEIR EFFICACY.

I HAVE TO SAY IN THIS LOCATION, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE.

SO I GUESS I'M MARRYING MARRYING.

THAT'S NOT THE WORD MARRYING COUNCILOR MCGUIRE'S CONCERNS, BUT SUPPORT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? YEAH, I'LL JUST SAY THIS.

IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE YOU GET USED TO SOMETHING, RIGHT? AND YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT IT, BUT THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE MESS.

AND I THINK THE UNINTENDED BENEFIT COULD BE OR MAYBE INTENDED FOR THOSE THAT ARE MORE FORWARD THINKING.

BUT I THINK IT IF WE CAN GET TRAFFIC ON BELL TO BE COMFORTABLE GOING AROUND THE CURVE, CONTINUING ON DALLAS DRIVE TO GET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE OTHER SIDE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PLUS AND TAKE SOME PRESSURE OFF OF ROBERTSON DRIVE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOING TO BE BRAND NEW.

BUT THOSE ARE ONLY TWO PLACES WHERE YOU CAN GO UNDER THE TRAIN, RIGHT? SO THEY GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT MAKES THIS INTERSECTION EASIER AND TAKES AWAY FROM TRAFFIC CUTTING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD.

SO I SUPPORT IT JUST TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TO SEE WHAT ENGINEERING CAN COME UP WITH.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORK SESSIONS.

AND MACK, I DIDN'T PULL UP THE LEGAL INFO.

DO YOU HAVE YOUR CHEAT SHEET? IF NOT, I'LL FIND IT.

YOU'RE SO HANDY TO HAVE AROUND.

THANK YOU. SO AT 533, I WILL CONVENE THE CLOSED SESSION AT 533.

[1. Closed Meeting:]

SECTION CODE CHAPTER 5510785.

CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551071.

LET'S TAKE A.

THAT'S IT. THE ROOM. LET'S SAY LET'S BE BACK AT SIX AND GIVE US A LITTLE EXTRA TIME.

YEAH. TO SET UP MATERIAL WISE OK.

615. COME BACK 545.

THERE'S A LOT OF THIS. OKAY.

GOT IT. OKAY. YEAH, NO PROBLEM.

SO, 545, WE'RE BACK, RIGHT? OKAY. GOT IT? YES. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY

[Following the completion of the Closed Meeting, the City Council will convene in a Special Called Meeting in the Council Chambers to consider the following items:]

AND WE DO HAVE WE'VE RECONVENED HERE AND AT THE DAIS WE HAVE COMPLETED COMPLETED OUR WORK SESSION, TAKES US TO OUR

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

BEAR WITH ME. AG, SIR.

THERE WE GO. AG THANK YOU.

SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

MAYOR PRO TEM, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA, EXCLUDING ITEM.

AG CATHERINE MAGUIRE A SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM AND SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER BECK.

ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

GOT IT. AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO, TAKES US TO ITEM AG AND LET THE

[AG. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton authorizing the City Manager to execute an interlocal agreement between the City of Denton, Texas and Denton Independent School District for the joint use of the McMath Middle School Gold Gym and for use of the South Lakes Park football, track, tennis, and softball fields.]

COUNCIL MEMBER MAGUIRE COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS HAVE RECUSED ON THIS ITEM AND THERE'S NO PRESENTATION, SO I'LL CALL IT.

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ID 221821.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, AND DENTON INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR JOINT USE OF THE MCMATH SCHOOL GOLD GYM FOR USE OF THE SOUTH LAKE PARK FOOTBALL TRACK, TENNIS AND SOFTBALL FIELDS.

MAYOR PRO TEM I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE ITEM.

COUNCILMAN WHAT? THAT'S RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN WATTS.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

LET'S PUT IT ON THE SCREEN.

IN THAT PASSES FIVE TO TO ZERO AND TAKES US TO OUR

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance approving an agreement between the City of Denton and the Denton Chamber of Commerce regarding an Economic Development Program; and providing an effective date. The Economic Development Partnership Board recommends approval (8-0).]

AND SHOULD I CALL THESE ONE AT A TIME? RIGHT. OR IS THERE IS THERE ONE PRESENTATION FOR THE FIRST ONE IS THE CHAMBER CONTRACT AND THEN ONE AT A TIME? OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU, OK.

SO THE FIRST IS ID 221641.

CONSIDER CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE APPROVING AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON AND THE DENTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE REGARDING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD RECOMMEND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL EIGHT ZERO.

AND BEFORE YOU START, JUST FOR THOSE FOUR FUTURE ITEMS, ONCE WE WERE TO THIS INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATIONS, ONCE I CALL THE ITEM, YOU CAN'T SPEAK ON IT.

SO IF YOU PLAN TO SPEAK IN ADVANCE OF ANY OF THESE ITEMS, BE THROUGH THE END OF THIS SECTION OR THE NEXT SECTION FOUR ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, YOU'LL NEED TO FILL OUT A BLUE CARD IN ADVANCE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

YOU DON'T NEED ONE, BUT FOR THE OTHER ITEMS, INDIVIDUAL CONSIDER ITEM CONSIDERATION ITEMS YOU NEED TO FILL IT OUT.

SORRY. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

COUNSEL. WAYNE EMERSON, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

SO AS YOU MENTIONED TONIGHT, HERE TO BRING BEFORE YOU THE PROPOSED CITY CHAMBER CONTRACT.

SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, THESE ARE THE MATERIAL ITEMS TO THE CONTRACT.

THIS IS A NEW AGREEMENT.

WE WE ARE OUR CURRENT AGREEMENT IS EXPIRING ON SEPTEMBER 30TH.

SO THIS AGREEMENT WE'RE PROPOSING WOULD BE EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST, 2022 TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2023.

THIS AGREEMENT CAN ALSO BE RENEWED WITH AN EXTENDED FOR ONE ADDITIONAL YEAR WITH THE AGREEMENT OF BOTH PARTIES.

ALSO IN THIS AGREEMENT, THE CHAMBER IS REQUIRED TO CONTRIBUTE PRIVATE SECTOR FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $125,000, AND THE CITY IS GOING TO PROVIDE MATCHING FUNDS OF 125,000 AS WELL.

WITHIN THE AGREEMENT, WE HAVE A WORK PLAN AS AN ATTACHMENT.

SO WORKING LIVING DOCUMENT THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS STAFF WILL BE WORKING THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH SIDES ARE ARE EXECUTING THEIR THEIR PART OF THE AGREEMENT.

AND THEN THE CHAMBER WILL ALSO PROVIDE WRITTEN REPORTS TO THE CITY QUARTERLY.

SO I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THAT AGREEMENT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.

THE CHAMBER PRESIDENT, AARON, IS HERE AS WELL, AS WELL AS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP DIRECTOR, DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS, DAN ROSENFELD.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

CNN COUNCILMAN WATCH.

I MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

COUNCILMAN MCGEE SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MCGEE IN THE DISCUSSION.

SEEING NONE. VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

I PASSED A70.

THANK YOU. TAKES US TO ITEM B, WHICH IS ID 221664.

[B. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, amending the fiscal year 2021-2022 budget and annual program of services of the City of Denton to allow for adjustments to the Electric Fund of sixty three million dollars, ($63,000,000) for the purposes of purchasing power, increased outage and property insurance premiums, and debt service; declaring a public purpose; directing the City Secretary attach a copy to the 2021-2022 budget; requiring approval by at least five votes; and providing a severability clause, an open meetings clause, and an effective date. The Public Utilities Board (PUB) recommends approval (5-0).]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

DANIELLE STANFORD, BUDGET MANAGER.

DO YOU HAVE A QUICK PRESENTATION ON THE ELECTRIC FUND BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR YOU? WE ARE REQUESTING AN INCREASE OF $63 MILLION FOR THE ELECTRIC FUND.

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THE MAJOR DRIVING ITEMS FOR THIS REQUEST ARE PURCHASE POWER, INCREASED OUTAGE AND PROPERTY INSURANCE PREMIUMS AND THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT.

SO WE HAVE THAT BREAKDOWN HERE FOR YOU OF WHAT MAKES UP THAT 63 MILLION THAT INSURANCE DOES TOTAL ABOUT 1.5 MILLION OF THE 63 MILLION.

THE PURCHASE POWER ACCOUNTS FOR 58 MILLION.

DEBT SERVICE ACCOUNTS FOR 3 MILLION AND ENTER FUND TRANSFERS ACCOUNTS FOR 300,000.

THE EXPENSES ARE OFFSET BY ADDITIONAL REVENUE IN THE AMOUNT OF 55.5 MILLION.

SO IT WILL HAVE A FUND BALANCE IMPACT OF ABOUT $10 MILLION.

WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

MAY PUT THEM BACK.

THANK YOU. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WERE TWO DRIVING FACTORS INSURANCE COSTS AND INCREASES IN POWER.

AND SO I GUESS I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS ON THAT.

IS IS IT MOSTLY URI THAT'S THAT'S DRIVING OR THE GRID RELIABILITY, WHAT'S DRIVING THE INSURANCE COSTS? AND THEN THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS THE INCREASES IN IN PRODUCTION COSTS OR POWER PRODUCTION IS IS THAT FROM GROWTH OR INCREASED COSTS OF ELECTRICITY? WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T HAVE WINTER OUTAGE INSURANCE OR WINTER PREMIUM COVERAGE, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE AN INSURANCE POLICY FOR WINTER STORM URI THAT HAS SINCE BEEN RECONCILED.

I'M GOING TO TURN YOUR OTHER QUESTION OVER TO TERRY HERE TO HELP ME OUT WITHOUT.

THAT. GOOD. GOOD EVENING.

TERRY NULTY ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER.

DM SO INSURANCE COSTS HAVE GONE UP ACROSS THE BOARD PRIMARILY AS A RESULT OF THE CATASTROPHIC COSTS OF URI AND THE POTENTIAL FOR A RECURRENCE.

WE DID NOT HAVE INSURANCE IN FOR URI, THAT WAS IN THE LAST FISCAL YEAR.

SO PART OF OUR RISK POLICY CHANGES THAT THIS COUNCIL APPROVED IN MAY WAS THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT TO HAVE INSURANCE. AND SO WE DID NOT BUDGET THE OUTAGE INSURANCE FOR THE WINTER MONTHS.

WE DID BUDGET SUMMER OUTAGE INSURANCE.

AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST CAUSES OF THE INSURANCE PROPERTY AND CASUALTY INSURANCE, AND ALSO MUCH HIGHER FOR THE DENTON ENERGY CENTER THIS YEAR THAN IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST.

I THINK THAT'S JUST A NOT NATURAL PHENOMENA WE'RE SEEING ACROSS THE BOARD WITH RESPECT TO THE ENERGY COSTS.

MOST OF THE RISE IN COSTS HERE IS DEALS WITH THE FACT THAT NATURAL GAS PRICES.

WHEN WE PUT THE BUDGET TOGETHER, WE'RE ABOUT THREE AND A QUARTER, 350 A MILLION BTU.

TODAY, NATURAL GAS PRICES ARE $9 A MILLION BTU, AND SO THAT ADDITIONAL GAS COSTS FOR RUNNING THE DECK IS WHAT DROVE MOST OF THIS. AS DANIELLE HAS INDICATED, MOST OF THAT WAS RECOVERED THROUGH SALES OF ENERGY FROM THE DECK.

WE ACTUALLY YOU KNOW, WE DON'T RUN IT UNLESS IT PRODUCES A POSITIVE GROSS MARGIN.

SO EVEN THOUGH GAS COSTS WERE MUCH HIGHER, POWER COSTS WERE MUCH HIGHER AS WELL.

AND THEN COUPLED THIS SUMMER WITH THE FACT THAT WE DID SEE ABOUT 10%, I'M SORRY, ABOUT 5% MORE ELECTRIC DEMAND DURING THE HOT WEATHER.

THAT WAS UNEXPECTED LOAD THAT WE HAD TO BUY FROM THE MARKET.

AND THAT REPRESENTS THE BULK OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

COUNCILMAN WATTS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND MAYBE THIS IS MORE FOR THE CITY MANAGER FOR OR SITTING ACTING CITY MANAGER OR CITY MANAGER FOR FUTURE PRESENTATIONS, BECAUSE I APPRECIATE THE BREAKDOWN OF THE EXPENSES.

AND YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE ADDITIONAL REVENUES OF 55 MILLION.

SO I THINK IN THE FUTURE IT'D BE HELPFUL IF WE WERE ABLE TO, WHEN WE SHOW THE EXPENSE SIDE, SHOW THE REVENUE SIDE AS WELL WITH A LITTLE DETAIL BECAUSE I'VE NEVER REALLY QUITE UNDERSTOOD WE'RE MAKING A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE EXPENSES, BUT WE'RE NOT MAKING A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE.

SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S PLAUSIBLE IN THE FUTURE? DO WE OR ARE WE UNABLE TO GET THAT KIND OF BREAK DOWN FOR FOR REVENUE? ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN WE CAN INCLUDE THAT.

AND WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PRESENTATION AND YOU SEE THE ELECTRIC PERFORMER, YOU'LL SEE THE COLUMN THAT WILL BE UPDATED ON THE REVENUE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AS FAR AS THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, BECAUSE THIS IS THE CURRENT BUDGET THAT WE'RE ASKING THIS AMENDMENT FOR, IS THAT CORRECT? WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FY 20 TO ESTIMATE COLUMN, WHEN WE GET TO THE BUDGET PRESENTATION, YOU'LL SEE BOTH.

REMEMBER, WHAT I DO HAVE THE PRO FORMA THAT YOU CAN DO.

YEAH. SO THIS IS THE BUDGET.

THE ESTIMATE COLUMN SHOWS THE INCREASED REVENUE.

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ECA REVENUE IS HIGHER THAN BUDGETED, THAT NON RATE REVENUE IS HIGHER AND THEN THE DECK REVENUE IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER.

ALL RIGHT. SO I KNOW THAT WE WERE WE'RE ASKING FOR A $63 MILLION BUDGET AMENDMENT ON THE EXPENSE SIDE.

AND I THINK YOU SAID WE HAD AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 55 MILLION IN REVENUE.

SO WE'VE GOT A NET DELTA LOSS THERE.

I MEAN, THERE'S WHATEVER THAT IS, 8 MILLION.

AND I GUESS THAT JUST COMES OUT OF FUND BALANCE OR TRANSFER IS THAT IT WILL COME FROM FUND BALANCE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. FANTASTIC.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND MAYOR, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.

AND IF THERE'S IF THERE'S NOT ANY MORE DISCUSSION, I'LL TAKE IT.

ALL RIGHT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE COUNCIL MEMBER A SECOND.

OK. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BIRD DISCUSSION.

I DO. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, DANIEL, AS YOU KNOW, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THE INSURANCE.

BUT I WILL SAY THIS.

FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG OUR BEFORE WINTER STORM URI, OUR BALANCE RECOMMENDED WAS $50 MILLION AND WE HAD 100 MILLION IN THE BANK. SO WE HAD DOUBLE WHAT WE WERE WE SHOULD HAVE HAD.

AND WE'RE GETTING READY TO TALK ABOUT RATE REDUCTION AND THEN LIFE CHANGED.

BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THAT THERE WASN'T THERE WAS AN INSURANCE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THE GOOD OLD DAYS, $100 MILLION.

WHAT WAS ENOUGH? THAT SHIP SAILED.

BUT BUT SO GLAD TO HAVE IT JUST FOR THOSE OFF THINGS BUT BUT DID WANT TO NOTE THAT SO SO THAT SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH GREAT PRESENTATION.

LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. NET PASS A70 TAKES US ITEM.

[C. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Denton, Texas, renaming and reassigning the “Economic Development Investment Fund” to the “Catalyst Fund”; committing certain revenues of the City to the fund; providing a severability clause; and providing an effective date.]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS.

RENAMING, RE RENAMING AND REASSIGNING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INVESTMENT FUND TO THE CATALYST FUND.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

NICK VINCENT, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF FINANCE.

I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

OTHERWISE, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL FOR THIS ITEM.

SO THIS WILL ESTABLISH THE CATALYST FUND FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR AS DISCUSSED WITH COUNCIL DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP THIS YEAR.

GREAT SEEING.

NO QUESTION. SOMEONE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, COUNCILMAN WATTS.

MAYOR I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OK.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MCGEE. SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING.

NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

[D. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Denton, Texas, formalizing the Return on Investment (ROI) payment from the City’s Utility Funds to the General Fund; and providing an effective date.]

ID 221804.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, FORMALIZING THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT PAYMENT FROM THE CITY UTILITY FUNDS.

NICK VINSON, AGAIN, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF FINANCE MAYOR.

YOU ACTUALLY HAVE ME FOR ITEM 1804 THROUGH 1858.

IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER IT.

BUT OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR EACH OF THE UTILITIES.

OK AND WELL, JUST, JUST FOR THE RECORD.

SO IT'S AT 6%.

SO MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC.

SO THE ELECTRIC UTILITY PAYS 6%.

WATER PAYS THREE AND A HALF, AND WASTEWATER PAYS THREE AND A HALF.

PERFECT. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NOTHING. I'LL TAKE EMOTION OR ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS.

CANCER. WHAT'S. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER WATTS.

SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING EARNHARDT'S PHOTO ON THE SCREEN.

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM E, WHICH IS ID 2221855.

[E. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, establishing the rates and fees for Solid Waste and Recycling Collection service; providing further information regarding such collection, and establishing indemnity for the City; incorporating and applying sections 26-3, 26-4, 26-5, 26-7, 26-8(A), and 26-9 of article I of chapter 26 of the City of Denton Code of Ordinances; repealing Ordinance No. 21-2114; providing for a repealer clause; providing for a severability clause; and, providing an effective date. The Public Utilities Board (PUB) recommends approval (5-0).]

SAME THING HERE. IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

AS A REMINDER FOR THE SOLID WASTE UTILITY, THERE ARE NO RATE INCREASES THIS FISCAL YEAR, THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.

SO GREAT.

JUST. YES. SO CONFIRMING RATES STAYED THE SAME.

THAT'S GREAT. GREAT. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COUNCILMAN DAVIS? MOVE APPROVAL. COUNCILMAN.

SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DAVIS, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN WATTS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEE NONE SPOT ON THE SCREEN.

IN THE PAST. A70 TAKES US TO ITEM F.

[F. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, establishing the rates and fees for Water and Water service; repealing Ordinance No. 21-2112; providing for a repealer; providing for a severability clause; and, providing an effective date. The Public Utilities Board (PUB) recommends approval (5-0).]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ESTABLISHING THE RATES AND FEES FOR WATER AND WATER SERVICE.

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IN A SIMILAR MANNER FOR THE WATER UTILITY, THERE WERE NO RATE INCREASES OR NO RATE INCREASES BEING PROPOSED FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS IN THE UPCOMING YEAR.

SO OC.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? CANCER WATCH. MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE.

MAYOR PRO TEM. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WATTS, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM BECK.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S PUT IT ON THE SCREEN.

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM G.

[G. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, establishing the rates and fees for Wastewater service; repealing Ordinance No. 21-2113; providing for a repealer; providing for a severability clause; and, providing for an effective date. The Public Utilities Board (PUB) recommends approval (5-0).]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ESTABLISHING THE RATES AND FEES FOR WASTEWATER SERVICE.

REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 212113.

SAME THING. NO INCREASE FOR WASTEWATER CUSTOMERS THIS FISCAL YEAR.

SO JUST LOOKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

OK. COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE I MOVE APPROVAL COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS SECOND OK MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

ANY DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? CNN'S IT ON THE SCREEN.

THAT PASS A7014 THE ROAD FOR NICK.

[H. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, providing for the schedule of Miscellaneous Fees, Deposits, Billings and Procedures for Administrative Services to City Utilities Customers; superseding all prior ordinances establishing fees in conflict with such schedule; providing for a severability clause; and, providing for an effective date.]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, PROVIDING FOR THE SCHEDULE OF MISCELLANEOUS FEES, DEPOSITS, BILLINGS AND PROCEDURES FOR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE TO THE CITY UTILITIES CUSTOMERS.

WE HAD A VERY SMALL CHANGE TO THE MISCELLANEOUS RATE ORDINANCE THIS FISCAL YEAR, REMOVING SOME CREDIT CARD FEES THAT ARE NOT BEING CHARGED BY THE CUSTOMER SERVICE DEPARTMENT.

SO IT REALLY JUST CLEANING UP THAT ORDINANCE MORE THAN ANYTHING.

OK GOT IT.

ANY QUESTIONS AROUND THAT OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COUNCILMAN BURKE. CAN WE GET A MOTION TO APPROVE? COUNCIL MEMBER A SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BYRD.

SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MAGUIRE.

DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS.

SEEING IT ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT PASSES 7 TO 0.

[I. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton adopting a schedule of fees for City owned property and facilities located at the Denton Enterprise Airport; superseding all prior ordinances establishing fees in conflict with such schedule; providing for severability; and declaring an effective date. The Airport Advisory Board (AAB) recommends approval (5-0).]

ID 221966.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON ADOPTING A SCHEDULE OF FEES FOR CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND FACILITIES LOCATED AT DENTON ENTERPRISE AIRPORT.

SO THIS IS GOING SO WELL.

I JUST FIGURED I'D STAY UP HERE.

SO LOOKING FOR APPROVAL FOR THE AIRPORT FEES.

THESE WERE DISCUSSED WITH COUNCIL DURING THE WORK SESSION, ALSO TO THE BUDGET WORK SESSION.

SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, OF COURSE SCOTT CAN ANSWER THEM FOR YOU OR I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THEM.

OK QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

MAYOR PRO TEM I MOVE APPROVAL.

COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE A SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM BACKED SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NOTHING UNFOLD ON THE SCREEN.

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM J.

[J. Consider adoption of an ordinance adopting a schedule of fees for the Denton Fire Department; superseding all prior ordinances establishing fees in conflict with such schedule; providing severability; providing a repealer; and establishing an effective date.]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF ADOPTING A SCHEDULE OF FEES FOR THE DENTON FIRE DEPARTMENT, SUPERSEDING ALL PRIOR ORDINANCES ESTABLISHING FEES IN CONFLICT WITH SUCH SCHEDULE.

SAME THING. MAYOR.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WHO HAS QUESTIONS REGARDING THE FIRE FEES FOR 2023? OK NOTHING CHANGED SINCE OUR WORK SESSIONS.

AND NO, SIR, THE ONES THAT WERE DISCUSSED WITH YOU IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TODAY.

OK. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS OR.

I'LL TAKE A MOTION. COUNCILMAN BURT.

MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

MAYOR PRO TEM. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BYRD.

SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM BECK.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEE THE SPOT ON SCREEN.

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM K.

[K. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton adopting a schedule of fees for the Denton Public Library; superseding all prior ordinances establishing fees in conflict with such schedule; providing for severability; and providing for an effective date.]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON ADOPTING A SCHEDULE OF FEES FOR THE DENTON PUBLIC LIBRARY, SUPERSEDING ALL PRIOR ORDINANCES ESTABLISHING FEES IN CONFLICT WITH SUCH SCHEDULE.

SAME THING. THESE ARE THE FEES THAT WERE DISCUSSED WITH YOU DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP.

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OKAY, HERE IS A SUMMARY OF THE FEE SO YOU CAN SEE WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE THE COLLECTION AGENCY FEE FROM 2.95 TO 325.

WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE WE'RE LOOKING TO INCREASE FROM 895 TO 985, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME 3D PRINTING COSTS TO DO WITH THE NORTH BRANCH LIBRARY WITH THAT PRINTING AREA THAT THEY HAVE JUST THE COST OF MATERIALS INCREASE.

SO WE'RE LOOKING TO INCREASE THAT FROM $0.50 TO $0.75.

OK. VERY GOOD.

ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? CNN MAYOR PRO TEM.

UNFORTUNATELY, FILAMENT IS MORE EXPENSIVE.

I MOVE APPROVAL OK COUNCILOR MAGUIRE A SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCILOR MAGUIRE.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

IN THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM EL ID 221969.

[L. Consider adoption of an ordinance adopting a schedule of fees for the use of the Denton Police Department Public Safety Training Center, Firearms Range, Officer Off-Duty/Private Event Pay, and Motor Vehicle Escorts for Hire; providing for severability; superseding all prior ordinances establishing fees in conflict with such schedule; and establishing an effective date.]

FIREARMS RANGE OFFICER, OFFICER OFF DUTY PRIVATE EVENT PAY.

AND I HAVE A SUMMARY OF THESE ALSO, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT, I'M HAPPY TO PULL THEM UP OR IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I CAN ADDRESS THEM.

OC YEAH, IF YOU PULL IT UP, JUST, JUST SOME.

THANK YOU. AND WHILE DOING SO, I WANT TO GIVE CREDIT TO EVERYONE THAT DISCUSSED PLAYING THE FUTURE GUN RANGE I TALKED TO.

I HAD THE PLEASURE TO MEET THE POLICE CHIEF IN FRISCO AND THEY ONLY HAVE THE 25 FOOT RANGE.

AND SO THEY CAN'T USE THE SHOTGUN.

THEY'RE SEEKING TO GO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE END OF THE YEAR, WHERE WE HAVE THE LONGER RANGE FOR SHOTGUN TRAINING, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD THAT'S A GREAT THING TO SHARE WITH THEM.

SO THANKS TO ALL INVOLVED.

SO TWO SLIDES OF FEE CHANGES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

VERY FIRST ONE YOU CAN SEE IS THE FIREARMS RANGE USAGE FEE.

AS THE MAYOR WAS MENTIONING, WE DO HAVE A FEW FEES FOR PRIVATE EVENT PAY.

YOU CAN SEE THOSE HERE.

I WON'T LIST THEM OFF TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THOSE ARE FOR THE DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS.

AND THEN WE ARE LOOKING TO REMOVE A FEW FEES.

YOU CAN SEE WHAT THOSE ARE HERE.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, THE DRIVING SIMULATOR.

WE'RE LOOKING TO REMOVE THAT FEE.

THAT DEVICE OR MACHINE IS NO LONGER WORKING.

YOU CAN SEE THE RAIN SUPPLIES, FEES.

AND THEN WE DO HAVE SOME FEES FOR SPECIAL EVENTS AT U.A.

WE'RE LOOKING TO REMOVE.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT OR I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

MAYOR PRO TEM I MOVE APPROVAL CATHERINE WATT'S SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S IN ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. MET PAST THE SEVEN ZERO

[M. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton adopting a schedule of fees for cemeteries and fees for use of certain park facilities; and providing for an effective date. The Parks, Recreation and Beautification Board recommends approval (5-0).]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, ADOPTING A SCHEDULE OF FEES FOR CEMETERIES AND FEES FOR USE OF CERTAIN PARK FACILITIES AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, AND MAYOR PRO TEM, JUST A COMMENT THAT WE HAD A LOT OF OR I HAD I SHOULDN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHERS.

I HAD A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.

THERE IS, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE POOL FEES.

AND I JUST ENCOURAGE OVER THE NEXT YEAR AS WE SEE HOW THESE NEW FEES WORK, THAT WE PAY REALLY CAREFUL ATTENTION.

WE WANT PEOPLE USING OUR POOLS.

I THINK WE'RE ALL PROBABLY CLEAR THAT TO TRY THESE AND THIS EXPERIMENT.

BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNITY CONCERN OVER THESE FEES.

FAIRPOINT. DID YOU WANT ME TO REVIEW THE FEES AGAIN, OR.

YES. LET'S GO OVER THEM JUST IN CASE.

LET ME PULL IT IN. AND I'LL MAKE AN EASY REFERENCE POINT.

IF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTION IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL HAVE IT SAY SO.

PROPOSED AQUATIC CHANGES TO TALK ABOUT THE WATER PARK AS MAYOR PRO TEM HAD MENTIONED.

YOU CAN SEE WE'RE LOOKING TO INCREASE THE RESIDENT FEE THAT'S CURRENTLY 30 AND 25 TO $35 PER PASS.

WE ARE LOOKING TO INCREASE THE GENERIC OR GENERAL PUBLIC FEE FROM 30 TO 20 5 TO 40 IS THE PROPOSED FEE FOR 2023.

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AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE SUBSIDY LEVELS, AS WE DISCUSSED RIGHT HERE, TO THE SIDE.

SO HOLIDAY SAVINGS AND DISCOUNT CHANGES.

THIS WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, BUT LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT A PRE SEASON DISCOUNT.

SO CURRENTLY $65 EACH AND $55 EACH.

IF YOU DO FOUR OR MORE, WE ARE LOOKING TO DO HOLIDAY SEASON SAVINGS IN EARLY BIRD SAVINGS.

YOU CAN SEE WHAT THOSE ENTAILED IN HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE IF YOU WANT THE DETAIL ON IT.

WE DO HAVE A COOLER PASS.

I KNOW THIS WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, BUT WE ARE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT THAT FOR $60.

AND THAT IS IT FOR AQUATICS.

AND WE PULL THIS DOWN.

OKAY. AND OF COURSE, HERE IS HERE.

IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS, YOU CAN ANSWER THEM, TOO.

GOT IT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS. MOVE APPROVAL.

MAYOR PRO TEM. SECOND OK MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM BECK.

LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

IT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM IN ID 221971.

[N. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, adopting a schedule of fees related to permits issued, and services provided, by the Building Official, including Building Permit Fees, Consumer Health Permit Fees, Fence and Retaining Wall Permit Fees, Mobile Home Moving Fees; Temporary Permit Fees, and Investigation and Administrative Fees; superseding all prior ordinances establishing fees in conflict with such schedule; providing for severability; and establishing an effective date.]

I DO HAVE A SUMMARY OF THESE ALSO.

ACTUALLY, THE SUMMARY COVERS BOTH THIS ITEM AND THE NEXT ONE, SO I'LL WALK THROUGH REALLY QUICK WITH YOU.

SO BUILDING SAFETY FEES, YOU CAN SEE THEM HERE, WON'T GET THEM IN GREAT DETAIL WITH YOU, BUT I WILL HIT A COUPLE OF THEM HERE.

SO YOU CAN SEE WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT A SIGNED PERMIT FOR WINDOW INDOOR VINYL.

THIS WAS DISCUSSED WITH YOU IN THE BUDGET WORKSHOP.

SO THAT RATE IS $50.

WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER FEES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE.

I KNOW THESE WERE DISCUSSED ALSO.

SO A SIGN INSTALLED WITHOUT A PERMIT AND THEN WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT WAS DEFINITELY DISCUSSED DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP LOOKING TO CHANGE THAT FEE TO $108.

THEN WE ARE LOOKING TO REMOVE THE FOLLOWING FEE, WHICH IS A TEMPORARY UTILITIES FEE OF 108, TAKING THAT OUT NEXT YEAR AND THE FARMERS AND COMMUNITY MARKET MONTHLY $81 FEE LOOKING TO DO AWAY WITH IT NEXT YEAR ALSO.

PLANNING. YOU CAN SEE THE PLANNING PROPOSED FEE CHANGES HERE, SO YOU CAN SEE THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT.

WE'VE GOT A MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT FEE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE ALTERNATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND SOME OTHER PLANNING FEES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE. WE ARE LOOKING TO REMOVE THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING COMPLIANCE AS CURRENTLY IS $111 LOOKING TO DO AWAY WITH IT NEXT FISCAL YEAR. AND THAT IS A SUMMARY OF THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FEES.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? KESSLER. WHAT'S. A MOTION TO APPROVE.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER.

SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S PUT IT ON THE SCREEN.

PASS A70 TAKES US TO ITEM O ID 22197 TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ADOPTING A SCHEDULE OF

[O. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, adopting a schedule of fees for the Development Services and Engineering Departments as authorized by the Denton Development Code; superseding all prior ordinances establishing fees in conflict with such schedule; providing for severability; and establishing an effective date.]

AND ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

MAYOR PRO TEM APPROVAL.

COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM.

SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

ANY DISCUSSION? ANY QUESTIONS? SEE ANOTHER PHOTO ON THE SCREEN? THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM P, WHICH IS ID 221984.

[P. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, amending the fiscal year 2021-2022 budget and annual program of services of the City of Denton to allow for adjustments to the General Fund of One Million Six Hundred Thousand Dollars ($1,600,000) for the purpose of funding one time supplemental requests; declaring a public purpose; directing the City Secretary attach a copy to the 2021-2022 Budget; requiring approval by at least five votes; and providing a severability clause; an open meetings clause and an effective date.]

RIGHT. DANIEL STAFFORD, BUDGET MANAGER.

WE ARE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN THE GENERAL FUND FOR 1.6 MILLION INCREASING EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY FROM ONE 51.3 MILLION TO 1

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THE REASON THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS INCREASE IS TO FUND THE ONE TIME SUPPLEMENTALS THAT YOU'VE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET PROCESS.

SO COUNCIL MEMBER WATCH.

I DON'T HAVE A FORECAST FOR YOU.

HOWEVER, THIS IS BEING FUNDED PRIMARILY BY SALES TAX REVENUE THAT'S OVER BUDGET.

WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

CATHERINE, WHAT'S. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE COUNCILMAN BURT.

SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WATTS, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THE QUESTIONS.

OKAY, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO OUR SECTION IN THE AGENDA SIX, WHICH IS BUDGET ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, adopting the fiscal year 2022-2023 Annual Program of Services (Budget) and the Capital Improvement Program of the City of Denton, Texas, for the fiscal year beginning on October 1, 2022 and ending on September 30, 2023; appropriating funds from available resources; ratifying all prior transfers made under the direction of the City Manager pursuant to Article VIII, Section 8.07 of the City Charter of the City of Denton; requiring City Manager to file a copy of the Budget with the City Secretary, Denton County Clerk and Texas Comptroller, and ensuring the record vote, budget and cover page is posted on the City’s website; and declaring an effective date.]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ADOPTING THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 2023 ANNUAL PROGRAM OF SERVICES AND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL.

CASSIE OGDEN, CFO.

AND JUST A BRIEF PRESENTATION.

YOU'VE SEEN ALL OF THESE SLIDES BEFORE.

NOTHING NEW. WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS SINCE MAY AND JUNE TIMEFRAME.

SO JUST A REMINDER, WE ARE PROPOSING A LOWER TAX RATE THAN THE CURRENT YEAR'S TAX RATE, $0.56 FOR THE PROPOSED TAX RATE.

SO BETWEEN THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE OF $0.51 AND THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE OF $0.60.

THE TAX RATE HISTORY.

YOU CAN SEE OVER THE PREVIOUS YEARS WE HAVE DECREASED THE TAX RATE SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THOSE PAST FEW YEARS.

AGAIN, THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE DID COME IN HIGHER THIS YEAR AT $307,283.

SO THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNER WILL SEE AN INCREASE OF ABOUT $165 PER YEAR.

AND WITH WITH THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE INCREASE, PROPERTY OWNERS WILL SEE AVERAGE PROPERTY OWNERS.

WE'LL SEE IT INCREASE. HOWEVER, OUR UTILITY RATES ARE NOT CHANGING, SO NO UTILITY RATES FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

GENERAL FUND FIVE YEAR FORECAST.

SO WE HAVE UPDATED THIS FORECAST BASED ON THE FY 22, THE CURRENT YEAR REVENUES AND EXPENSE PROJECTIONS.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT YEAR PROJECTED TO COME IN AT $2.2 MILLION POSITIVE NEXT YEAR, PROPOSING TO FUND TIERS ONE THROUGH FOUR OF THOSE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE NET INCOME THERE OF 6000 538,000.

YEAH. THANK YOU. AND JUST A REMINDER ON THOSE TIER ONE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS, THIS IS PAID PARENTAL LEAVE FOR CITY EMPLOYEES FOR SIX WEEKS.

THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, THAT IS AN EXISTING POSITION THAT'S CURRENTLY GRANT FUNDED.

WE'D LIKE TO RETAIN THAT POSITION.

SO IT WILL BE FUNDED THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND NOW.

THE FIVE POLICE OFFICERS, BASED ON THE MATRIX STAFFING STUDY THAT WAS CONDUCTED IN 2019, SO CONTINUATION OF THE INCREASE OF POLICE OFFICERS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

ALSO TWO JAILERS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS A BUSINESS PARTNER FOR H.R..

TIER TWO INCLUDES SEVERAL MORE POSITIONS.

H.R. FIRE THOSE FIREFIGHTER, THE DRIVER POSITIONS, AND THEN A FIRE INSPECTOR, AS WELL AS DIGITAL FORENSIC INVESTIGATOR FOR POLICE INTERNS, FOR THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, AND THEN THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT HAS THE LANDLORD RENTAL MAINTENANCE GRANT AND THEN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCENTIVE PACKAGE.

AND THEN TWO LIBRARIAN POSITIONS FOR LIBRARIES.

TIER THREE, SEVERAL PLANNING AND BUILDING INSPECTION POSITIONS.

AND YOU YOU MAY RECALL THAT THESE ARE FORECASTED TO BE OFFSET WITH REVENUES, INCREASING REVENUES FROM PLANNING AND BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND THEN TWO POSITIONS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY DISPATCH, AS WELL AS AN AQUATICS TECHNICIAN FOR OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT.

AND THEN TIER FOUR IS THE ADDITIONAL 1% COLA INCREASE THAT WE HAD 3% ORIGINALLY PROGRAMED IN THE BUDGET FOR CITY EMPLOYEES FOR FY 23. COUNCIL ELECTED TO FUND ANOTHER 1%, BRINGING THE TOTAL COLA TO 4% FOR NEXT YEAR AS WELL AS THE CASH SPONSORSHIP PROGRAM INCREASE IT TO 12 INCREASED $12,000, SO A TOTAL OF $100,000 NEXT YEAR.

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SO THOSE IN-KIND SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE ADDING $150,000 TO THE CURRENT BUDGET, BRINGING IT TO 400,000.

INTO YEAR FIVE REMAINS UNFUNDED.

SO 5.5 POSITIONS STILL UNFUNDED.

YOU WILL LIKELY SEE THESE BACK NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR ELECTRIC UTILITY FUNDS, STARTING WITH ELECTRIC.

WE SHOWED THIS EARLIER, BUT WE DID UPDATE THE ESTIMATE COLUMN FOR 2022 BASED ON THE CURRENT RATE REVENUE RECEIVED AND THE EXPENSE PROJECTIONS.

SO WHILE IT'S DOWN SLIGHTLY, WE STILL STILL ARE ESTIMATING A NET INCOME OF $8.2 MILLION FOR THE ELECTRIC FUND WITH A PROPOSED EXPENSES OF $415 MILLION NEXT YEAR.

BUT NO RATE INCREASES FOR ELECTRIC PROPOSED FOR FY 23 AND WATER.

YOU CAN SEE THE ESTIMATE ESTIMATE FOR 2022 HAS BEEN UPDATED.

SO NET INCOME OF 1.1 MILLION, WE DID INCREASE THE COLA BASED ON COUNSEL'S DIRECTION TO ADD THE 1%, SO A TOTAL OF 4% IN THAT PERSONNEL LINE. SO YOU SEE THE $10 MILLION THAT HAS BEEN UPDATED THERE.

AGAIN, NO RATE INCREASES FOR THE WATER FUND PROPOSED FOR NEXT YEAR.

WASTEWATER. THIS PERFORMER DOES INCLUDE DRAINAGE, BUT AGAIN, ESTIMATE OF 2022.

SO POSITIVE NET INCOME OF 9.3 MILLION REALLY DRIVEN BY THOSE COST PARTICIPATION.

SO DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTIONS FOR TWO SPECIFIC PROJECTS IN WASTEWATER THAT ARE PROGRAMED TO BE SPENT AGAIN IN FY 23.

BUT YOU CAN SEE WE DO HAVE RATE INCREASES PROPOSED FOR WASTEWATER IN THE FUTURE YEARS, BUT NO RATE INCREASES FOR NEXT YEAR AND SOLID WASTE. FY 22 UPDATED WITH CURRENT REVENUE AND EXPENSES.

SO 3.6 MILLION ON NET INCOME AGAIN, PERSONNEL HAS BEEN UPDATED TO INCLUDE 4% COLA FOR NEXT YEAR AND THEN NO RATE INCREASES PROPOSED FOR THE SOLID WASTE FUND.

AND AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK, BUT WE DID UPDATE THOSE ESTIMATES FOR THE WHOLESALE AGREEMENTS BASED ON THE CONTRACTS THAT WERE APPROVED.

SO JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR GENERAL GOVERNMENT.

AGAIN, FUNDING CONTINUE TO FUND THE 2019 BOND ELECTION FOR STS, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME VEHICLE ADDITIONS AND REPLACEMENTS FOR POLICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND SOME OTHER PARKS AND OTHER GENERAL GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS.

AND THEN THE FINANCE PROJECT IS OUR ERP SYSTEM REPLACEMENT THAT'S PLANNED FACILITY UPDATES, JUST GENERAL MAINTENANCE TO OUR FACILITIES AS WELL AS PARK STREETS AND TRAFFIC DRAINAGE AND THEN TECH SERVICE MOSTLY.

EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT.

SORRY. AND THEN AGAIN, JUST A QUICK REVIEW OF UTILITY FUND SIPPS.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE ELECTRIC WATER WASTEWATER, SOLID WASTE, AND THEN THE AIRPORT FUND PLAN EXPENDITURES FOR 23 AS PART OF THEIR CAPITAL PROGRAM.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

MAYOR PRO TEM. I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO REALLY COMMEND STAFF.

THEY DID A LOT OF WORK.

THEY LAID IT OUT VERY CAREFULLY.

THEY MADE IT VERY CLEAR, IN SPITE OF CERTAIN FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES THAT OCCURRED AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATED THE EFFORTS THAT YOU PUT INTO.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT HERE IN PUBLIC, TO MAKE IT THAT MUCH EASIER TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC WHERE THE MONEY WAS GOING, WHERE THE LIMITS WERE, AND WHY, HOW WE WERE ABLE TO BALANCE AND STEWARD THE CITIZENS MONEY.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.

IT WAS DEFINITELY A TEAM EFFORT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND THE DIRECTORS AND THEIR HELP ALONG WITH THE CMO OFFICE AS WELL AS OUR BUDGET TEAM.

WE HAVE A GREAT STAFF THAT DID A WONDERFUL JOB THIS YEAR.

I APPRECIATE THAT. COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I, TOO, WANT TO COMMEND STAFF, AND I ALSO WANT TO PARTICULAR COMMEND MY COLLEAGUES UP HERE.

I'M VERY PROUD OF THIS TAX RATE.

FOR ME, THIS TAX RATE REPRESENTS PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO HIRE, THAT ARE GOING TO DELIVER EXCELLENT SERVICES TO ALL THE RESIDENTS IN DENTON.

AND I THINK THAT'S HUGE.

AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE LOOKING OUT FOR THEM THROUGH MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING PEOPLE TO PROVIDE THOSE EXCELLENT SERVICES.

SO I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COLLABORATION AND LEADERSHIP.

MAYOR PRO TEM AND MAYOR IN THIS PROCESS.

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CAN YOU HELP JUST SOMEONE'S TRACKING ALONG JUST IN CASE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A THE BUDGET BE THE RATE.

CAN YOU JUST KIND OF GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF KIND OF WHAT HOW HOW WE SEPARATE THOSE? SURE. SO THE BUDGET INCLUDES ALL OF THE EXPENDITURES PER FUND FOR NEXT YEAR.

THE TAX RATE OBVIOUSLY SETS THE PROPERTY TAX RATE FOR THE UPCOMING TAX YEAR.

AND THEN AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS BY STATE LAW, WE HAVE COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE THE TAX ROLL AND ALSO RATIFY THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND JUST WANT TO SAY FOR ME THE THE CHALLENGE AND WHAT IS THE NUMBER TO MOVE THE RATE $0.01, ONE 1.4 MILLION.

IS THAT WHERE WE SETTLE? OKAY.

AND DO YOU KNOW HOW WE SETTLED ON SALES TAX BY CHANCE? DON'T. NO WORRIES IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT NOTED.

BUT WHAT PERCENTAGE IT WAS, IF IT WAS SO WE INCREASE.

WE'RE FORECASTING A 5% INCREASE FROM THE CURRENT YEAR ESTIMATE, BUT I BELIEVE WE WERE ALREADY OVER OUR BUDGET BY $5 MILLION IN THE CURRENT YEAR.

OKAY. BUT I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THAT NUMBER FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST HIGHLIGHTS THE GREAT JOB WE'RE DOING AS A COMMUNITY FROM A SALES TAX PERSPECTIVE AND ALLOWS US TO PAY THE ONE TIME THINGS. BUT YES, SO THE 1.4 MILLION, IT MOVES IT ONE PERCENTAGE POINT ON THE THE RATE OR $0.01 ON THE RATE.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WAS THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF WENT AFTER.

I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL I'VE GOT TO FIND 1.4 MILLION A FEW TIMES AND YOU JUST AND YOU JUST CAN'T.

I MEAN, THERE'S THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE SPENDING ON ARE CRITICAL.

IT'S FIRE, IT'S POLICE, IT'S PLANNING EVERYONE, ANYONE THAT'S BEEN THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS UNDERSTANDS HOW FAST THAT DEPARTMENT'S GROWING AND THE THINGS WE NEED THERE. AND SO I THINK YOU'VE SAID BEFORE, 70% OF OUR BUDGET IS IS STAFF.

IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? CORRECT.

YEAH. AND SO JUST CRITICAL THAT WE HAVE THOSE POSITIONS FILLED TO SERVE THE CITY AS IT GROWS.

SO REALLY A TOUGH CHALLENGE, BUT I'M GLAD WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE IT SOME TO GIVE SOME RELIEF AS WE CONTINUE TO WATCH THINGS CLOSELY.

AND BUT THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THIS.

WE'RE BUILDING A 13 OR $11 MILLION BUILDING FOUR DAY CENTER, ETC.

AND SO WE'RE REALLY GETTING A LOT DONE FOR THAT IN THE STREETS AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

SO REALLY PROUD OF THE WORK DONE.

AND I KNOW SARA'S WATCHING.

HEY, SARA, SO THANKS FOR THIS NEW FORMAT FOR THE WHITE PAPERS AND KIND OF ALL THE DETAIL THAT ALLOWS US TO GIVE THE TRANSPARENCY TO THOSE THAT THAT HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS. SO WITH THAT, COUNCILMAN WATTS, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE MY SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WATTS, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE OR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS, LET'S VOTE ON SCREEN.

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM B.

[B. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, establishing the tax rate and levying the ad valorem property tax of the City of Denton, Texas, for the year 2022, on all taxable property within the corporate limits of the City on January 1, 2022, and adopting a tax rate of $0.560682 per $100 of valuation for 2022; providing revenues for payment of current municipal maintenance and operation expenses and for payment of interest and principal on outstanding City of Denton debt in conformity with the laws of the State of Texas and the ordinances of the City; providing for limited exemptions of certain homesteads; providing for enforcement of collections; providing for a severability clause; and providing an effective date.]

BUT SO ITEM B IS ID 22258.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ESTABLISHING THE TAX RATE AND LEVYING THE AD VALOREM PROPERTY TAX.

THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS FOR THE YEAR 2022.

SO CASSY OGDEN, CFO.

BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THE TAX RATE.

YOU'VE SEEN ALL OF THESE SLIDES BEFORE, EXCEPT FOR ONE, BUT JUST A REMINDER OF THE ASSESSED VALUE WHEN WE WERE EXPECTED TO RECEIVE THE ASSESSED VALUES JULY 25TH, WE WE RECEIVED CERTIFIED ESTIMATES AND SO WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING UPDATES FROM THE CAD EVER SINCE, WHERE WE NOW HAVE $16.9 BILLION OF TOTAL ASSESSED VALUES WITH 2% OF PROPERTIES UNDER REVIEW.

SO DON'T EXPECT ANY MORE UPDATES, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE ARE BASING OUR FORECAST OFF OF NOW.

SO BASED ON COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON'S QUESTION LAST WEEK, WE PUT TOGETHER THIS SLIDE JUST TO SHOW YOU, BECAUSE IT IS CONFUSING THE WORDING IN THE CAPTION STATES THAT THE TAX RATE INCREASE IS 10%, SO WE'RE BRINGING IN 10% MORE THAN LAST YEAR.

THE CAP, ACCORDING TO SENATE BILL TWO, IS THREE AND ONE HALF PERCENT.

SO HOW DID WE GET TO THE 10% FROM THREE AND A HALF? SO THE THE CHART AT THE TOP LEFT KIND OF OUTLINES THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT MAKE UP THE 10% INCREASE.

SO PART OF IT WAS NEW GROWTH.

PART OF IT WAS AN INCREASE FOR DEBT SERVICE.

SO PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY THAT 2019 BOND ELECTION, WE EXPECTED A THREE CENT INCREASE FROM THE 2019 DEBT SERVICE TAX RATE AND THEN

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SO LAST WEEK WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT UNUSED INCREMENT VALUE.

AND SO THE CHART ON THE RIGHT SHOWS YOU WE HAVE NOT USED THAT INCREMENT RATE THE LAST TWO YEARS, SO WE OPTED TO USE IT THIS YEAR.

SO USED ABOUT THREE AND A HALF CENTS TO TOWARDS OUR TAX RATE.

SO WE DO HAVE SOME REMAINING AMOUNT THAT'S LEFT.

SO $0.04 LEFT.

BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW WE BROKEN OUT THE 10% INCREASE FOR YOU.

SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF SEVERAL FACTORS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

THANK YOU. AND THEN AGAIN, NOT A NEW SLIDE, BUT JUST SHOWING YOU YOU CAN SEE THAT AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE REALLY INCREASING SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. OUR TOTAL TAX RATE HAS DECREASED, BUT BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE, THE AVERAGE PROPERTY OWNER WILL SEE $165 A YEAR INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES IN THEIR CITY.

PROPERTY TAXES.

AND AGAIN, JUST TO REPEAT, $165 AVERAGE ANNUAL INCREASE FOR PROPERTY OWNERS.

HOWEVER, NO UTILITY RATE INCREASES THIS YEAR.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

SEEING NONE. OUR COUNTRY.

WHAT? IT'S NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION AS IT IS A COMMENT.

I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE BREAKDOWN ON THAT RATE.

AND I'M PRETTY I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEARISH OR BULLISH ON TAX RATES, BUT, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE, BUT WE'VE ALSO HAD SOME VERY EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES WITH COVID.

AND I WAS REMINDED THAT WE HAD THAT VOLUNTARY STAFF REDUCTION IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT ARRIVED BEFORE IT.

THAT REALLY DID DEPLETE OUR RANKS THAT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE SERVICES.

EVERYBODY'S WORKING AT HOME NOW AND WE WERE STILL EXPERIENCING THE GROWTH.

SO WHILE I WOULD RATHER SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT I THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO, NUMBER ONE, CATCH UP, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT OUR CITIZENS WANT FOR THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE IN PUBLIC SAFETY, IN PARKS AND GOOD STREETS AND THOSE THINGS THAT REQUIRE DEBT. SO WHILE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS HIGHER THAN WHAT I WOULD HAVE IDEALLY WANTED, I KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARY AND IT'S CATCH UP.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING AS SOME KIND OF WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PAD OURSELVES.

IF NOT, IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS, THEN THE CITIZENS WOULD SUFFER BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE PERSONNEL THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE PROTECTION, TO PROVIDE QUALITY MAINTENANCE IN OUR PARKS, ROADS AND SO FORTH. SO I APPRECIATE STAFF'S HARD WORK AND REALLY DEFINING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT TIERS WHAT WAS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

SO THAT'S WHAT GIVES ME CONFIDENCE IS THAT EVERYBODY IS WORKING HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE USE EVERY DOLLAR OF TAXPAYER MONEY THAT WE USE IN THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY. AND I TRULY, TRULY BELIEVE THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WITH APPROVING THIS TAX RATE.

OK COUNCILMAN BURT, CHRIS WATSON'S SAID IT BEST, BUT I DEFINITELY WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON THE NOTION THAT WE ARE JUST SIMPLY WE'RE LIKE TEENAGERS.

I ALWAYS SAY THEY WERE LIKE TEENAGERS AND WE'RE JUST SPROUTING OUT.

AND SO IT'S GOING TO ALWAYS TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR US TO STAY ON TOP OF THINGS.

I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE WHAT WE NEED RATHER THAN TO DO THE KETCHUP.

I THINK LAST YEAR KIND OF PROVED THAT WE HAD TO START CATCHING UP WITH WITH SOME THINGS.

SO AGAIN, I'M VERY PROUD OF THIS TEAM FOR KEEPING US IN LINE.

AND THE CITIZENS OUT HERE ARE CONTINUING TO VOICE THEIR OPINION ABOUT THINGS MOVING TO SLOW OR OR, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY THE STREETS, I'M SAYING, INCLUDING ME DRIVING DOWN SOME ROADS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST GLAD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THIS.

AND FOR US TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS RATE IS IS SOMETHING THAT I'M THAT I'M APPRECIATIVE OF.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, RUSS STOCKWELL.

AND COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS YOU'LL HAVE.

4 MINUTES. GOOD EVENING, RASCAL.

1005 RIDGECREST CIRCLE HERE IN DENTON.

MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IT MIGHT BE THAT I MISPLACED THIS PORTION OF THE OWNER.

I ASKED FOR ADVICE PRIOR TO GOING IN.

I FEEL LIKE I'M THE WET BLANKET UP HERE.

WHILE I APPLAUD THE THE RATES THAT HAVE COME UP WITH, I'M MORE HERE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE EVALUATIONS OF THE PROPERTY, SPECIFICALLY MINE, IN RELATION TO

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AND WHEN I LOOKED BACK INTO THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, I'VE RECOGNIZED THAT OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THE TOTAL MARKET VALUE FOR MY PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY CONTINUES TO RISE BY 15 TO ON AN AVERAGE 19% ANNUALLY.

IN FACT, THIS YEAR IT FEELS LIKE A SHELL GAME TO ME THAT WHILE WE KEEP THE RATES VERY MODEST AND ACHIEVABLE, IT'S THE VALUE THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN ESCALATES. THIS YEAR IN PARTICULAR, THE LAND VALUE FOR MY PROPERTY WENT UP BY 50%, THE STRUCTURE VALUE BY 26%.

AND WHILE I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THESE ARE ELEVATED, I TRY TO APPEAL THIS THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

THE SYSTEM SEEMS TO BE TAXED, I HATE TO USE THAT WORD, OVERWHELMED, POSSIBLY MORE THAN WHAT IT SHOULD BE AS YOU SCHEDULE AN APPOINTMENT YOU HAVE.

I WAITED FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF ONLY TO BE TOLD THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS AS YOU NEED TO SIT AND DISCUSS THESE APPEALS.

THE APPEAL LASTED ALL OF 7 MINUTES.

THE INSTRUCTIONS WERE TO BRING FOUR COPIES OF THE INFORMATION TO THE INDIVIDUALS.

THEY ONLY NEEDED ONE.

THIS IS COLOR COPIES, MULTIPLE COPIES.

I TALKED TO CERTIFIED CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE AND MAINTENANCE PEOPLE TO GET THESE ESTIMATES, AS IN THE EVALUATION WITH THE TWO ONE STAFF PERSON AND I GUESS ONE FROM THE PUBLIC DISCUSSING THIS ON QUESTION AS TO WHY I DIDN'T GET MORE ESTIMATES ON THE REPAIRS THAT ARE NEEDED AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE APPEAL, THE SEVEN MINUTE APPEAL, AFTER AN HOUR, 95 MINUTES OF WAITING, I WAS TOLD, OH YEAH, WE'LL JUST REDUCE IT THEN BY 50,000.

I SAID, BASED ON WHAT? I'M JUST THAT'S THE NUMBER I'M CHOOSING NOW.

AND I'M LIKE, WOW. I'M A LITTLE BIT MYSTIFIED AS TO HOW THIS PROCESS TAKES PLACE.

I GOT THE CERTIFIED LETTER TWO WEEKS EXCUSE ME, TWO DAYS AGO TO OPEN THE CERTIFIED LETTER TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WERE TYPOS IN.

SO I HAD TO GO BACK TODAY TO GET THE TYPOS.

MY FEAR IS, WHEREAS THIS IS EXISTING, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB AND YOU WANT THESE THINGS TO PASS IS IF THIS PROCESS CONTINUES, THERE'S GOING TO BE PUSHBACK FROM THE PUBLIC THAT SAYS, OH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON BOND ISSUES.

I MEAN, I SERVED ON THE PARKS BOARD FOR THREE TERMS. I'VE HELPED ON THE 2030 PLANNING.

I'VE WORKED ON A BOND.

THESE THINGS I'M KIND OF CONTRIBUTING TO.

BUT WHEN I SEE THIS TREATMENT OF THE CITIZENS WITH REGARD TO THESE TYPES OF ISSUES AND TAX EVALUATION OF PROPERTIES, I'M WONDERING IF THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO PUSH BACK ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SUCH A ROSY.

SO I'M KIND OF THE WET BLANKET HERE TALKING ABOUT THOSE THINGS.

I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE MONEY GRAB THIS PARTICULAR YEAR RIGHT AFTER COVID AS WE MOVE INTO AN INFLATION SLASH RECESSION AREA, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW PROPERTY OWNERS ARE SUPPOSED TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING OF THESE NATURES.

SO THE GUY I'M DOWN TO 54 SECONDS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

YEAH, NO, I THINK WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I DO I DO WANT TO TELL YOU I COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

IT'S ONE OF OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES AS THE STATE HAS COMMITTED.

I THINK MOST HAVE SAID THEY NEED TO LOOK AT THE PROGRAM BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE IS YOU'LL HAVE IT'S BASED ON PROPERTY SALES.

SO MY ARGUMENT IS IF MY NEIGHBOR GROSSLY OVERPAYS FOR THEIR HOUSE, WHY DOES THAT NEGATIVELY AFFECT ME? THE CURRENT SYSTEM THAT DOES THAT IS UNREALIZED GAIN ON YOUR PART.

YES, EXACTLY.

SO SO THOSE ARE CHALLENGES THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH WHAT OUR AND OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES AND OUR LEGISLATORS TO TRY TO GET THAT ADJUSTED AND REDEFINE. AND I'M HOPING THE NEW WHOEVER THE NEW HEAD OF THAT OF THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT COMES ON BOARD AND MAKE SOME CHANGES TO MAKE THAT PROCESS EASIER, MORE TRANSPARENT, SOME SOME OTHER THINGS.

SO I'M HOPEFUL. BUT LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER.

NO. ANYWAY.

ANYONE HERE? OK ANYONE? OK. SO IS THIS A QUESTION FOR COUNCILMAN? BYRD IS THIS A QUESTION FOR THE SPEAKER OR NO? OK MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO CONCUR WITH THE MAYOR THAT THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE FACING IS TEXAS WIDE, AND IT IS LOCAL AS WELL.

BUT IN A IN A GOVERNMENT AGENCY THAT WE HAVE VERY LITTLE CONTROL OVER.

AND IN MY REMARKS TO STAFF, I KIND OF GLIBLY TALKED ABOUT FINANCIAL ISSUES.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE MAYOR WAS ALLUDING TO, THAT THERE ARE THERE'S A GOVERNMENT BODY IN THE DENTON COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT THAT THAT LET'S BE CHARITABLE AND SAY NEED SOME SOME IMPROVEMENT.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, OTHER THAN BEING A FELLOW GOVERNMENT BODY AND APPLYING OUR PRESSURE, WHICH ACTUALLY WE UNANIMOUSLY DID TO THE EXTENT WE ARE ABLE, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT'S CHALLENGING OTHER THAN AT A COMMUNITY LEVEL TO EXPLAIN.

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SO I APPRECIATE THE PAIN AND THE CONCERN THAT YOU'RE TELLING US ABOUT HERE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WE DON'T TAKE THIS LIGHTLY.

AND THERE WAS A SORT OF A UNANIMOUS DECISION TO NOT NOT TREAT THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AS AS DE RIGUEUR AS AS IS THE WAY WE HAD IN THE PAST.

WE WANTED TO SEND A MESSAGE.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT MESSAGE IS HEARD AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR OUR CITIZENS ALL THE TIME.

AND COUNCILMAN, WHAT? RALPH, THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. YOU GOT TO.

THIS. BUT. I THOUGHT IT WAS ON.

YEAH. OKAY.

I NEED TO START OVER.

THANK YOU AGAIN. NO.

YEAH, YOU'RE GOOD. BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS AT THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, BUT I ALSO HEARD YOU SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAME DOWN TO SAY, WHY WAS THERE A I DON'T SAY TAX GRAB, BUT WHY ARE WE TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR SOME TIMES THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE? AND FIRST OF ALL, HOW DO YOU USE THE WORD CATCH UP? YES, I DID.

BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN AND SHARING.

I CAN'T THINK OF THE LAST TIME AND I'M SURE THERE WAS, BUT WE HAVE VERY FEW PEOPLE WHO COME TALK TO US ABOUT THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE BUDGET AND ABOUT TAX RATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO DO IT.

DON'T WANT TO BE A WET BLANKET ON THERE.

YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT BEING A WET BLANKET.

THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS SHELL GAME.

YES. YES.

THE VALUE IT'S I MEAN, WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR PROPERTIES GO UP 15, 20, 30% INDIVIDUALLY, WE CAN TALK ABOUT TAX RATES THAT ONLY AFFECT PEOPLE ON AN AVERAGE.

BUT FOR SOME PEOPLE IT DOES INCREASE IT MORE.

BUT I JUST THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN AND SHARING.

YOU'RE NOT A WET BLANKET, YOU'RE SHARING YOUR CONCERNS, YOU'RE SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS.

NONE OF THESE PEOPLE ON THIS STAFF TAKE IT THAT WAY BECAUSE THEY THEY'RE JUST AS COMMITTED TO TRYING TO DO WHAT THEY CAN FOR THE CITIZENS AS AS ANYBODY.

SO I JUST APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN AND SHARING WITH US.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEP, YOU BET. AND THAT TAKES US TO.

YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MAYOR PRO TEM. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE ITEM.

MAYOR, THERE'S AN ITEM WE HANDED OUT.

THERE NEEDS TO BE A SPECIFIC MOTION MADE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW WITH THIS ITEM.

AND IT ALSO REQUIRES FIVE MEMBERS TO APPROVE IT.

READY? YES, READY.

ALL RIGHT. I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE BE INCREASED BY THE ADOPTION OF A TAX RATE OF 0.560682, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A 9.63% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE.

AND TO APPROVE ITEM 20 2258.

COUNCILOR WATSON, A SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN WATSON DISCUSSION.

SEEING NOTHING UNFOLD ON THE SCREEN.

IN THAT PASS. THE SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM C.

[C. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, approving the 2022 tax rolls of the City of Denton; and providing an effective date.]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, APPROVING THE 2022 TAX ROLES OF THE CITY, DENTON CITY OF DENTON, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MAYOR I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM, BUT HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE'S.

THANK YOU. ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

OKAY. KATHERINE.

WHAT? MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

MAYOR PRO TEM SECOND AS MUCH OF MY COUNCILMAN WATCH SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM DISCUSSION.

CNN THIS PHOTO ON THE SCREEN.

IN THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM D, WHICH IS ID 22260.

[D. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, ratifying the property tax increase reflected in the Fiscal Year 2022-2023 Annual Program of Services (Budget) and the Capital Improvement Program of the City of Denton, Texas for the fiscal year beginning on October 1, 2022, and ending on September 30, 2023; directing the City Secretary to record this ordinance and the vote; and providing an effective date.]

MAYOR NO, NO PRESENTATION, BUT HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS MOVE APPROVAL.

COUNCILMAN BURT SECOND.

OH, I'M SORRY.

YES. ONE COMMENT.

YES. I THOUGHT I'D MADE A MOTION.

SO, YEAH, WE'RE APPROVING THE TAX RATE THAT WE JUST APPROVED.

WE'RE BASICALLY RATIFYING IT.

THE STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO.

TO AGREE TO WHAT WE ALREADY AGREED TO.

CORRECT. YEAH. IT'S NO CRITICISM.

I JUST. IT'S JUST INTERESTING.

YEAH. YEAH. SO WE HAVE THAT JESSE THAT YOU MOTION.

COUNCILMAN BURTON. I CALL ON YOU BOTH ALREADY.

YEP. SO MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD AND THE OTHER DISCUSSION.

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AND WE'RE EXCITED TO GET THESE POSITIONS HIRED AND GET SOME PROJECTS COMPLETED STARTING IN JUST A FEW DAYS.

SO THANK YOU ALL.

GREAT. AND IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SEE JOB POSTINGS AT CITY OF DENTON.

RIGHT. IF YOU HAVE FRIENDS WHERE THEY SEND A CITY OF DENTON JOBS TO GOOGLE IT, I'M SURE.

WOW. THAT'S FANTASTIC.

OK. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

LET PASS THE SEVEN ZERO.

GREAT JOB. THANK YOU, EVERYONE.

[A. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas regarding a change in the zoning district and use classification on approximately 2.407 acres of land from a Mixed-Use Neighborhood (MN) District to a Planned Development (PD) District. The site is generally located at the southeast corner of US 380 and Ector Street in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official zoning map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing for severability and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted (6-0) to recommend approval of the request. (PD22-0006a, Home Zone, Cameron Robertson)]

SO THESE YOU DON'T REQUIRE A CARD IN ADVANCE.

IF YOU CARE TO SPEAK AT ANY POINT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO SO.

BUT WE HAVE THREE ITEMS, AND THEN WE WILL CONCLUDE TONIGHT'S MEETING.

SO THE FIRST OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS IS ITEM A, WHICH IS PD 220006, A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, REGARDING A CHANGE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT AND USE CLASSIFICATION CLASSIFICATIONS OF APPROXIMATELY 2.407 ACRES OF LAND FROM MIXED USE M N DISTRICT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD DISTRICT.

GOOD EVENING, MARION COUNCILMEMBERS.

CAMERON ROBERTSON HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, PRINCIPAL PLANNER.

SO THIS IS FOR A REQUEST FOR PD WITH AN M N LAND USE AS THE BASE ZONING.

IT WOULD ALLOW FOR GENERAL RETAIL USE LARGER THAN 15,000 SQUARE FEET AS STATE AS IT'S ON APPROXIMATELY 2.4 ACRES ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF US 380 AND ECTOR STREET.

IT IS SITUATED ON THAT COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AS WELL AS HAVING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS TO THE SOUTH.

SO BEFORE I MOVE ON, I JUST WANTED TO STATE TALK ABOUT THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT VERSUS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

SO THE PROPOSED PDD ALLOWS FOR CONSISTENT DEVELOPMENT WITH COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES CURRENTLY ALONG US 380.

SO CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY DOES NOT MEET OUR DEFINITION OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS ANYTHING THAT'S TWO ACRES OR LESS.

ANYTHING THAT IS INFILL DEVELOPMENT WOULD ALLOW TO BE TAKE, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PROVISIONS SUCH AS PARKING ALONG THE FRONT WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR MINIMUM IMPACT TO THOSE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH.

ALSO, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO ALLOW ALL GENERAL RETAIL USES REGARDLESS OF SIZE ON THE SITE.

SO MOVING ON TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT WOULD ALLOW A BUILDING FOR A MAXIMUM OF 39 FEET IN FOUR INCHES TALL THAT WOULD BE LOCATED ALONG THAT WESTERN EDGE BETWEEN THE NORTH AND SOUTH PROPERTY LINES.

IT DOES HAVE SETBACKS ALONG THE EAST AND THE SOUTHERN SIDES OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH BEGIN AT A MINIMUM OF 55 FEET.

TO REDUCE THAT MINIMUM IMPACT FROM THOSE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

THE MAIN ENTRANCE WOULD BE LOCATED OR ORIENTED TOWARDS THAT US 380 CORRIDOR.

IT WOULD ALLOW FOR PARKING ALONG PRIMARILY LOCATED ALONG U.S.

380, AND IT WOULD ALLOW FOR MOST VEHICULAR ACCESS COMING FROM US THREE D AS WELL.

IN ADDITION TO THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE APPLICANT HAS REDUCED THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FROM OVER 100 PARKING SPACES, WHICH WOULD BE USUALLY REQUIRED BY THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THEY'VE REDUCED IT TO 87 PARKING SPACES.

AND AS STATED, IT'S PRIMARILY LOCATED ALONG THE FRONT.

IN ADDITION, THEY'VE ALLOWED FOR TREE PRESERVATION AREA AND THAT SOUTHERN EDGE, AND THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN.

THOSE TREES ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN.

THEY ALSO WOULD BE IMPLEMENTING A MINIMUM SIX FOOT SOLID MASONRY WALL ALONG THOSE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AT THE SOUTH AND THAT SOUTHEASTERN EDGE WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AND BASE ZONING, USUALLY THE MINIMUM LANDSCAPE AREA IS 20% AND YOU HAVE A MINIMUM TREE CANOPY AREA OF 40%. BUT IN THIS INSTANCE WITH THE PD, THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING 21% LANDSCAPE AREA IN ADDITION TO 74% NEW AND PRESERVED TREE CANOPY STAFF LOOKED AT THE PRIOR APPROVAL CRITERIA FROM 2.40.5 E, AS WELL AS 2.7.2 DX, AND THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR DENTON 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT DOES PROVIDE A GREATER LEVEL OF DESIGN QUALITY AS COMPARED TO AN SUP PROCESS.

IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, ESPECIALLY ALONG US.

380 IN PUBLIC FACILITIES ARE ADEQUATE TO SERVE THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO DELVING A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP COMMUNITY MIX, THE PROPERTY IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE AS WELL AS LOW RESIDENTIAL, WHICH DOES ALLOW FOR GREATER DENSITY AS WELL AS LAND USES THAT SUPPORT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

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IN TERMS OF INFILL.

IT WOULD INFILL A CURRENT GAP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FABRIC WHICH IS LOCATED BY IF YOU LOOK ON YOUR SCREEN IN THE GOLD STAR.

SO THAT SO THAT PROPERTY, MOST OF THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN VACANT SINCE IT FIRST BECAME A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR IN THE 1960S AND ONLY THE SOUTHERN PORTION WAS DEVELOPED IN THE 1960S WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

IN ADDITION, IT WOULD PROVIDE CONTEXT SENSITIVE COMMERCIAL INFILL.

AND LASTLY, LOOKING AT THE URBAN DESIGN IN TERMS OF CONNECTIVITY, THE PRIMARY ACCESS WOULD BE ALONG U.S.

380. IT WOULD ALLOW FOR A DRIVEWAY ALONG ECTOR STREET AS WELL AS SOME CROSS SECTION ACROSS SECTION ACCESS BETWEEN PRIMROSE LANE, BUT THAT IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR PD STANDARDS, WE STAFF HAS ALLOWED AND THE APPLICANT HAS ALLOWED FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY FLEXIBILITY AT THE CIVIL ENGINEERING PLAN PROCESS TO UPDATE THAT EGRESS AND INGRESS IN THAT CROSS ACCESS IF NEEDED.

ADDITIONALLY, THE BUILDING SCALE AND ORIENTATION, IT DOES CENTER THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE WESTERN EDGE AS STATED, AND IT'S CENTERING AWAY FROM THOSE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTHEAST.

AND THE PROPERTY ITSELF DOES LIMIT THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

PUBLIC OUTREACH WAS DONE IN AUGUST.

NOTICES WERE MAILED.

WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER IN OPPOSITION FROM 1207 PRIMROSE LANE, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED EARLIER TODAY.

WE DID ALSO RECEIVE A LETTER WHICH I BELIEVE WAS FORWARDED TO YOU ALL, AND THAT WAS IN FAVOR, AND THAT WAS FROM 1213 PRIMROSE LANE, WHICH IS THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, JUST ONE PROPERTY IN FROM THE SOUTH, FROM UNIVERSITY.

SO TWO PROPERTIES NORTH OF THE ONE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 14TH DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST SIX ZERO AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL REQUESTS AS IT COMPLIES WITH OUR CRITERIA AND 2.4.5 E AS WELL AS 2.7.

THREE OF THE DGC AND I CAN STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM AS WELL.

GREAT. SO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

SEE AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COUNCILMEMBER DE DAVIS HAS RECUSED HIMSELF.

DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE A PRESENTATION? THEY DO NOT. OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS.

THEN WE HAVE CURT ANDERSON.

IF HE CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

KURT ANDERSEN.

OKAY, HOLD THAT.

AND ALSO.

JENNIFER SIMS. YOU CAN COME NOW AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL AND MAYOR.

I'M THE ONE THAT SENT IN THE LETTER IN FAVOR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

OUR BUSINESS.

WE HAVE A FAMILY BUSINESS THAT'S LOCATED AT 1213 PRIMROSE LANE.

WE HAVE OCCUPIED THAT BUILDING ABOUT 15 YEARS NOW, AND AS OF 2018, WE PURCHASED THE BUILDING AND OCCUPY IT EXCLUSIVELY.

SO THIS PROBABLY IMPACTS US MORE THAN EVEN THE RESIDENTS JUST BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS TO THE BACK OF OUR BUILDING, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THEIR NEW DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE ARE IN FULL SUPPORT.

WE'VE SPOKEN WITH THE POTENTIAL OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS THEIR BROKER AND REALTOR, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED WHAT ALL THIS LOOKS LIKE.

THEY BROUGHT US ALL OF THEIR PLANS.

WE ARE IN FULL SUPPORT BECAUSE IT DOES SUPPORT REALLY JUST THE COMMERCIAL ACCESS.

WITH EVERYTHING FACING 380, WE'RE MOSTLY IN SUPPORT BECAUSE BASED ON MY RESEARCH, MOST HOMES OWN STORES CLOSE AT 8 P.M.

AND THEY DON'T HAVE LARGE AMOUNTS OF FOOD, TRASH ATTRACTING RODENTS OR BUGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A CLEANER, QUIETER BUSINESS TO COME INTO THAT LOCATION.

AS SHE SAID, IT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR MANY YEARS NOW SINCE IT WAS ZONED COMMERCIAL AND WE'VE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IT BEING VACANT.

IT'S KIND OF QUIET FOR US AND IT'S NICE, SO WE WANT TO STAND BEHIND IT, STAYING QUIET AND STAYING EASY TO TO WORK WITH, JUST BEING NEIGHBORLY.

SO WE'RE IN FULL SUPPORT AS A FELLOW BUSINESS OWNER NEXT TO IT.

GREAT. AND THE NAME OF YOUR BUSINESS, NATURE'S REMEDY.

OKAY, GOT IT. GREAT.

AND WHAT DO YOU ALL DO? WE'RE NOT TRAFFIC DOCTORS.

OKAY, VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, OK.

ANY QUESTIONS? CNN THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, SIR. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, IF THAT'S OKAY.

SORRY. COULD SIT A LITTLE BIT, TOO.

YEAH. HEY, I HEAR YOU.

SO, MICHAEL CLARKE WINKLEMAN AND ASSOCIATES, 6750 HILLCREST PLAZA, SUITE 215, DALLAS 752230.

GOT IT. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

YES, SIR. SO WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST WHERE IS THE FIRST HOME ZONE LOCATED?

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JASON ADAMS, THE OWNER OF HOLMES ZONE, IS HERE WITH ME AS WELL.

GOT IT. SO I'M SURE HE CAN LET YOU OFF THE HOOK.

YEAH. JASON ADAMS, OWNER OF HOLMES OWN FURNITURE FOUNDER, MY WIFE AND I.

MAYOR, THAT MAY BE A LOADED QUESTION.

DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER? I THINK I DO, BUT IT WAS RIGHT HERE.

YEAH. DENTON, TEXAS.

YEAH. THIS IS WHERE WE STARTED 15 YEARS AGO.

NOW IT'S STARTED RIGHT HERE, AND IT'S PART OF OUR ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN.

IN FACT, WE'RE RUNNING THAT REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU VOTE, BUT WE'RE RUNNING THAT AD NEXT WEEK THAT WE STARTED RIGHT HERE IN DENTON, TEXAS.

SO WE'RE ACTUALLY THE LET ME SAY THIS RIGHT AS FAR AS FURNITURE COMPANIES GO IN NORTH TEXAS, WE WOULD BE THE LARGEST TEXAS OWNED IN NORTH TEXAS.

GOT IT. AND HOW MANY STORES DO YOU HAVE NOW? 19. WOW.

YES, SIR. FANTASTIC.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS, ANYONE? THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION OR IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE. I'M OF APPROVAL.

COUNCILMAN MCGEE SECOND OK WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MAGUIRE.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

OH. NO.

SO BEFORE WE VOTE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU. AND.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION CNN.

LET'S VOTE ON SCREEN.

AND THAT PASSES SIX ZERO.

THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT.

ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES.

[B. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding a change in the zoning district and use classification from a Residential 2 (R2) Zoning District to a Light Industrial (LI) Zoning District on approximately 9.56 acres of land, generally located on the northeast corner of US 380 (University Drive) and Thomas J. Egan Road, in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official zoning map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [7-0] to recommend approval of the zoning change request. (Z22-0006a, US 380 & Thomas J Egan Industrial, Ron Menguita)]

THANK YOU, MARY. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL RON MCGILL, PRINCIPAL PLANNING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

AS INTRODUCED IN THE INTRODUCTION, THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 9.56 ACRES AS SHOWN HERE OUTLINING YELLOW AND THE AERIAL FROM RESIDENTIAL TO ARE TO TWO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP AN INDUSTRIAL USE BUILDING ON THE ALONG WITH THIS SUBJECT TRACK OR THE SUBJECT SITE.

THE PROPERTY ALSO OWNS THE TWO TRACKS NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

IT IDENTIFIES PROPERTY AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DESIGNATION.

PER THE DESIGNATION DESCRIPTION, IT IS INTENDED FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY, WHICH IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED ADEQUATE ACCESS.

IT'S ON THE CORNER OF 380 AND FUTURE THOMAS EGAN SECONDARY ARTERIAL AS WELL AS TRANSITION.

THE AREA TO THE EAST IS A FEMA FLOODPLAIN AREA AS WELL AS ESA, WHICH THE APPLICANT IS AS PER THEIR CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH IS INCLUDING YOUR BACKUP, IS GOING TO AVOID ENCROACHING INTO THAT SUBJECT AREA.

THE DEVELOPMENT CODE HAS A CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS PER THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IN SUMMARY, THE PROPOSAL FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT PURPOSE STATEMENT.

IT'S NOT EXPECTED TO GENERATE ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL AND INFRASTRUCTURE OR FISCAL IMPACT, AND THE UTILITIES INFRASTRUCTURES WILL OR CAN BE EXTENDED TO SERVE THAT SUBJECT PROPERTY.

NOTICES WERE SENT OUT PER STATE LAW.

AS OF THIS AFTERNOON, STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY WRITTEN RESPONSES.

TWO SIGNS WERE POSTED ON THE PROPERTY.

THERE WERE NO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS HELD WITH THAT.

THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SEVEN ZERO.

STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON THE SECTIONS OF THE CODE THAT CONTAINS THE APPROVAL CRITERIA, AND I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AND WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

OK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NONE. THIS IS A.

PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YOU CAN COME DOWN AND SPEAK AND THEN FILL OUT A BLUE CARD.

SEE NONE OR CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL TAKE A MOTION OR ANY QUESTIONS.

I'LL MOVE APPROVAL AS THEIR SECOND COUNCILMAN.

DAVIS SECOND MOTION BY MYSELF, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DAVIS DISCUSSION.

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AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING ID APARTMENTS D.C.

[C. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas amending the Denton Development Code, specifically amendments related to Section 7.9 - Parking and Loading; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [5-2] to recommend approval of the amendments. (DCA22-0004a, Parking and Loading, Ron Menguita)]

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AGAIN, ROBIN EATON, PRINCIPAL PLANNER.

THIS PARKING CODE AMENDMENT IS A CITY INITIATED CODE AMENDMENT TO THE PARKING REGULATIONS.

AND REASONS FOR THIS CODE AMENDMENT IS PRIMARILY TO ADDRESS THE NONCONFORMING SITE FEATURES THAT RESULTED SPECIFICALLY PARKING AS A RESULT OF THE 2019 UPDATE OF THE DDC TO ALSO IDENTIFY AND ENSURE ACTUAL PARKING NEEDS FOR SPECIFIC USES.

AND THEN LASTLY, JUST FURTHER CLARIFY AND REFINE SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND PROCEDURES WITHIN THIS SECTION.

I WANT TO NOTE THAT THE CRC, THE DEVELOPMENT CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE, HAS MET ON THIS PARTICULAR CODE AMENDMENT FOUR SEPARATE TIMES, AS YOU CAN SEE LISTED HERE, THOSE DATES. AND ON APRIL 22ND, I MADE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO BRING THIS FORWARD TO THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.

A SUMMARY OF THE CODE AMENDMENTS, WHICH I'LL PRESENT FURTHER IN THE UPCOMING SLIDES.

SUBJECT SORRY, SECTION 793 WHICH RELATES TO CALCULATION IS BEING AMENDED.

TABLE 79I WHICH IS WHERE THE TABLE OF USES AND WHAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE LOCATED, AND WE'LL SPEND A FEW SLIDES ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. AND THEN THE LAST TWO ARE PRIMARILY PROCEDURE SECTIONS AND PARKING ALTERNATIVES RELATED TO THE FIRST ONE DIRECTOR DETERMINATION, AND THEN THE SECOND ONE, INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT, INTO THE OPTION FOR A PARKING ALTERNATIVE.

SO JUST TO HIGHLIGHT, THE FIRST SLIDE HERE INCLUDES USES THAT YOU SEE LISTED AND THE REASONS FOR THESE CODE AMENDMENTS AND RELATED TO PARKING IS REALLY TO AGAIN, APPLY THE MOST APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES REQUIRED.

I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM, BUT YOU CAN SEE FOR THE TOP THREE, WHICH IS THE RESIDENTIAL USES, WE'RE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF SPACES REQUIRED FOR DWELLING UNIT FROM 4 TO 2, A DAYCARE AND RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY.

AGAIN, WE ARE FOCUSING ON PROVIDING THE ACTUAL PARKING NEEDS FOR EACH OF THOSE USES.

WE DID SPEAK TO A NUMBER OF DAYCARE FACILITIES AND USING OUR PAST REVIEW OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLIES ARE APPLYING THE PROPOSED PARKING REQUIREMENT THAT YOU SEE THERE LISTED.

THE NEXT SET OF USES RELATED TO SCHOOL UNIVERSITIES AND BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

THE FIRST TWO ARE GOING TO BE WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS ALLOWING THE BUSINESS, TRADE AND OR TRADE SCHOOL, COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROPOSE A PARKING REQUIREMENT OR PARKING COUNT TO THE DIRECTOR.

AND HAVING THAT DIRECTOR MAKE THAT DETERMINATION BASED ON SOME CRITERIAS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE DDC.

WITH REGARDS TO PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SCHOOL, WE DID SPEAK WITH DISD SPECIFICALLY AND THEY PROVIDED US WITH THEIR CALCULATIONS AND WE BASICALLY USE THAT INFORMATION TO DEVELOP WHAT WE HAVE HERE. SO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY NEED IN NEED FOR BOTH ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL, BUT ALSO HIGH SCHOOL AS WELL. THE NEXT FEW SLIDES HERE IS RELATED TO THE LIST THAT YOU SEE HERE.

AGAIN, RESTAURANTS, RESTAURANTS WOULD DRIVE THRU PRIVATE CLUB BAR, TAVERN OR LOUNGE.

WE ALSO INCLUDED CRAFT ALCOHOL PRODUCTION BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE A SIMILAR PROCESS OR A NEED.

THEY DO HAVE TASTING ROOMS IN SOME INSTANCES.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS GO FROM SQUARE FOOTAGE CALCULATION TO ACTUAL OCCUPANCY LOAD PER THE BUILDING CODE.

SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, EACH BUILDING HAS AN OCCUPANCY LOAD AND BASED ON THAT NUMBER THAT MAKES SENSE TO THEM BASED OFF BASE OF WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, DEVELOP A PARKING RATIO AND THE CCRC IS RECOMMENDING OR THEY'D RECOMMEND FOUR ONE SPACE BEFORE OCCUPANCY LOAD.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE HERE.

BOTH ARE FOR ALL OF THE USES THAT YOU SEE LISTED.

THE LAST SET OF USES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS SLIDE BASICALLY ARE VERY SIMILAR IN THAT THEY ARE EITHER MANUFACTURING LOW, MEDIUM OR HIGH AS WELL AS WAREHOUSE AND WHOLESALE FACILITIES.

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STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT ONE SPACE PER 3500 GROSS FLOOR AREA IS AN ACCURATE AND ACCURATE AMOUNT OF SPACES THAT'S REQUIRED.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY PROCESSED IN THE PAST AS PART OF A DIRECTIVE TERMINATION.

SO WE FELT THAT THAT WOULD BE A NUMBER THAT WOULD BE SATISFACTORY.

AND AGAIN, THE CRC IN THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION CONCURRED WITH SOME OF THOSE WITH THESE PARKING RATIOS.

THE NEXT TWO CODE AMENDMENTS I REFERRED TO EARLIER, MY MY INTRODUCTION THIS IS THE DIRECTOR DETERMINATION.

THIS BASICALLY ALLOWS THE DIRECTOR THE ABILITY TO HEAR OR RECEIVE REQUESTS FOR A LOWER AMOUNT OF MINIMUM PARKING AS LONG AS THEY MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU SEE HERE LISTED IN A, B AND C.

THE LAST ONE IS TO ADD A MULTIFAMILY DWELLING THAT IS AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM THE PARKING ALTERNATIVE WHICH WOULD REDUCE THEIR PARKING SPACES IF THEY CHOOSE TO DOWN TO 10% FROM WHAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED.

WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND WITH A VOTE FIVE TWO TO MOVE FORWARD.

THIS THIS CODE AMENDMENT AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT'S LISTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

ANY QUESTIONS? MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. HEY, RON.

SINCE SINCE WE SAW THIS IN THE DC RC I LOOKED AT.

ONE OF THE THE SPECIFICALLY THE ONE FOR FOOD SERVICES AND CRAFT ALCOHOL.

AND I HAVE A QUESTION.

I THOUGHT WE'D ASK THIS AT THE TIME THAT I WENT BACK THROUGH MY NOTES AND APPARENTLY WE DID NOT AT LEAST IT'S NOT IN MY NOTES.

WHAT COUNTS TOWARDS OCCUPANCY LOAD DEFINITION? IS IT ONLY PATRONS OR IS IT EVERY HUMAN? SO IT DEPENDS ON THE THE FUNCTION OF THAT PARTICULAR BUSINESS.

SO IF THEY ARE IF THEY HAVE A TASTING ROOM, FOR EXAMPLE, OR A SEATING AREA THAT'S PRIMARILY SERVING FOOD, THEN THAT IS CALCULATED BASED ON THAT AREA WHERE THAT OCCURS.

SO THE OTHER PORTION OF THAT PROPERTY OR THAT BUILDING WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT OCCUPANCY LOAD.

BUT THE WHEREVER EMPLOYEES AND PATRONS ARE TOGETHER COUNTS AS THE OCCUPANCY LOAD.

SAW THAT SEGMENT FOR THAT SEGMENT.

CORRECT. SO IF THERE IS A TASTING ROOM WHERE THEY'RE THERE OCCUPYING PRIMARILY FOR SERVING WHATEVER TASTING THAT THEY'RE HAVING, THAT WOULD BE THE AREA THAT THEY WOULD BE CALCULATING IT OFF OF.

SO AS I READ THE WAY WE HAVE IT WRITTEN NOW, BY NOT INCLUDING THE WORD PATRON BETWEEN ONE SPACE FOR DESIGN AND OCCUPANCY, BY NOT PUTTING PATRON IN BETWEEN THERE, WE ARE DOUBLE COUNTING EMPLOYEES IF THEY SHARE THE SAME SPACE, BECAUSE WE ALSO SEE IN THE NEXT LINE OR IN THE NEXT CLAUSE PLUS THE NUMBER OF SPOTS AT THE HIGHEST LOAD.

SO YOU'RE IF YOU'VE GOT IF YOU'VE GOT EMPLOYEE SHARING THE SAME SPACE AS PATRONS, THEN YOU END UP DOUBLE COUNTING EMPLOYEES, DO YOU NOT? OR AM I WRONG? HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT.

WELL, SO THE CRAFT ALCOHOL I GUESS FACILITY TYPICALLY IS IS THE MAIN FUNCTION IS THE PRODUCTION OF THE ALCOHOL PRODUCT.

SO THAT AREA WOULD BE CALCULATED USING THE ONE SPACE PER EMPLOYEE ON THE LARGER SHIFT.

SO WHATEVER THAT THE COMPANY OR THAT BUSINESS EMPLOYS, THEN BASED ON THAT NUMBER, THEN THAT WILL BE ONE PART OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.

AND IF THEY HAPPEN TO HAVE A TASTING ROOM, BOTH INDOOR AND OUTDOOR, THAT IS ANOTHER FUNCTION OF THEIR BUSINESS WHERE THERE ARE PATRONS, THEN THAT WOULD BE CALCULATING THAT WOULD BE USED TO CALCULATE THOSE PARKING SPACES RELATED TO THAT PARTICULAR USE.

AND SO THE LANGUAGE IS BOTH IN FOOD SERVICES AND IN CRAFT ALCOHOL.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO LUMP THEM TOGETHER AND CALL IT FOOD RETAIL FOR THE SAKE OF THIS DISCUSSION.

AND BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS MY QUESTION IS BECAUSE YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING THAT THAT ANYWHERE WHERE PATRONS AND EMPLOYEES ARE SHARING THE SAME ROOM COUNTS AS OCCUPANCY LOAD AND THAT EMPLOYEES THAT COULD BE IN A SEPARATE PREPARATION AREA OR MANAGEMENT AREA THAT THAT'S A SEPARATE CALCULATION.

BUT IT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EMPLOYEE PARKING SPOTS OUR LANGUAGE JUST SAYS ONE ONE PER LARGEST SHIFT, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE ALL REGIONS. SO HOW IS THAT NOT DOUBLE COUNTING EMPLOYEES? AND THE ONLY REASON I GET IS I'M QUIBBLING ABOUT THIS REALLY, REALLY HARD IS BECAUSE IT RAISES THE PARKING MINIMUMS. SURE. SO, I MEAN, IF YOU PLAYED THE SAME THOUGHT WITH RESTAURANTS, RIGHT.

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THERE IS AN OCCUPANCY LOAD BASED ON THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

NOW, THE KITCHEN OR WHEREVER THE THE OTHER EMPLOYEE OR THE OTHER EMPLOYEES OUTSIDE OF THE WAITSTAFF, THEY'RE THEY'RE WORKING OFF OF THAT AREA.

AND THAT IS ANOTHER OCCUPANCY LOAD.

SO IT'S SEPARATED BECAUSE OF WHAT THE WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT BUSINESS IS.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT EVEN THE PATRONS AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE EMPLOYEES WITHIN THE SAME AREA.

THE BILLING CODE HAS THAT THAT FUNCTION OR THAT FORMULA ALREADY BUILT IN TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT OCCUPANCY LOAD, THAT BUILDING OR THAT USE AREA SHOULD HAVE. I THINK WE'RE KIND OF GOING ROUND AND ROUND ON THAT.

I GUESS I'M GOING TO TELEGRAPH THAT IN UNLESS TINA HAS AN ANSWER, I'M GOING TO ASK FOR THE WORD PATRON TO BE INSERTED INTO INTO OCCUPANCY LOAD.

TINA JURGENS DEPUTY DIRECTOR, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND PLANNING DIRECTOR SO I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH YOUR LINE OF QUESTIONING.

AND AND I THINK WE COULD MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE IS WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS FOR THE PATRON AREAS, RIGHT, WHERE THE CUSTOMERS WOULD BE, ESPECIALLY ON THE BAR TAVERN, THE PRIVATE CLUB, RESTAURANT, RESTAURANT WOULD DRIVE THROUGH IN THE CRAFT ALCOHOL.

BUT THEN WE'VE ALSO TAKEN CARE OF THE EMPLOYEES ON THE SHIFT.

SO IF YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT, YOU HAVE AN AREA WHERE IT'S PREDOMINANTLY A LOT OF EMPLOYEES THAT ARE IN THE KITCHEN AREA PREPARING FOOD AND DISHWASHING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THEN PRESUMABLY WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THAT BY ACCOMMODATING THE EMPLOYEE ON THE LARGEST SHIFT.

SO I CAN SEE WHY SEPARATING THAT OUT FROM REALLY THE CUSTOMER AREA.

SO THE DESIGN LOAD ON THE SEATING AREA FOR THE PATRONS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ADDRESS THE PARKING REQUIREMENT SPECIFIC TO THAT.

SO I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, WE COULD MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE LANGUAGE THERE TO BE SPECIFIC FOR THE THE ONE SPACE PER ONE SPACE PER FOR DESIGNED OCCUPANCY LOAD OF THE PATRON SEATING AREA, WE COULD MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT.

WE WOULD STILL HAVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN PLACE FOR EMPLOYEES TO ADDRESS THAT.

AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO RETAIN THE RESERVE SIGN SPACES BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOW SEEING BUSINESSES ALLOCATE SPACES SOLELY FOR TAKEOUT PURPOSES.

RIGHT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT OPERATIONAL SHIFT THAT WE'VE SEEN WITH THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES.

BUT I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE CHANGE THAT WE CAN MAKE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT WELL, AND I HOPE THE DIOCESE WILL ENTERTAIN THAT CHANGE.

MY SECOND QUESTION.

IS CAN CAN WE GET CLARIFICATION ON 7943283.

SEE THE BASICALLY I'M GOING TO SHORT CIRCUITS.

THAT'S THE DIRECTOR DISCRETION.

THREE SECTIONS BECAUSE I KNOW FOR MULTIFAMILY WE SAY DOWN TO 10% BUT I DIDN'T SEE CLARITY ON THE DIRECTOR DISCRETION. AND AGAIN, I WENT BACK THROUGH MY NOTES AND APPARENTLY EVEN THOUGH WE SPENT FOUR, FOUR MEETINGS, WAS IT WE SPENT FOUR MEETINGS ON THIS.

APPARENTLY I DIDN'T GET EVERYTHING.

WHAT'S THE MINIMUMS FOR DIRECTOR DISCRETION ON.

JUST LET ME PULL IT BACK UP HERE BECAUSE I WAS ON MY OWN NOTES.

YES. THE 794E TO EIGHT THROUGH C BECAUSE I DON'T SEE MINIMUMS ON THAT LIKE YOU DO ON MULTIFAMILY.

SO THE CODE DOES NOT HAVE A MINIMUM.

BUT AS FAR AS THE TOTAL PARKING ALTERNATIVE REDUCTION THAT CAN BE ALLOWED FOR A PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IS UP TO 50%. CAN YOU CAN YOU POINT ME TO THAT SECTION WHERE WE SAY 50%? SURE. AND WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT, I'LL COMPLETELY PROVIDE CANDOR.

THE CONTEXT OF THIS IS THERE IS.

RATIONALE TO PROVIDE PARKING RELIEF IN DIFFERENT AREAS.

AND AND SO IF THE DIRECTOR DISCRETION IS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 10% OR ZERO, THEN WITH ADEQUATE PROOF FROM A FROM A DEVELOPER YOU COULD GO TO.

I'M NOT ACTUALLY SURE IF DIRECTOR DISCRETION IS SCOTT OR TINA, BUT WHICHEVER ONE IT IS AND SAY, LOOK, WE THINK WE CAN GET BY WITH 10% OR AND SHOW YOU THE PROOF OF THAT, THEN THAT ACTUALLY KIND OF GETS US IN THE DIRECTION OF DOING AN EXPERIMENT FOR THE CITY STILL WITH CODIFIED RULES, BUT ALLOWS US TO ADDRESS THIS IDEA OF DO WE TRULY NEED MINIMUMS? BECAUSE WITH PROOF FROM THE DEVELOPER, YOU COULD COME IN AND SAY, I DON'T THINK I NEED MINIMUMS AND SHOW IT TO TO TO SCOTT OR TINA AND AND HAVE THAT BE IN PLACE TO WHERE BUT WHERE THE CHILI'S ON 35 THERE REALLY FEELS THEY NEED MINIMUMS THAT COULD BE DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS WITH THE SAME SET OF RULES.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD WANT TO POINT OUT IS IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF 7.95 AND IT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA MATERIALS IS THAT THERE ARE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT

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SO NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE SECTION 7.9.5 ALSO IN THE SECTION IMMEDIATELY ABOVE THAT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR AGENDA MATERIALS IN THE THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, THE STRIKETHROUGH EDITED VERSION INCLUDED IN YOUR POCKET.

SO ON PAGE TEN AT THE TOP OF PAGE TEN, IT SPEAKS TO ALSO DIRECTOR DETERMINATION.

SO WE HAVE SOME ABILITIES TO EVALUATE OTHER OPTIONS AS IT RELATES TO PARKING.

SO IF THERE'S ONE THING THAT WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE BUILT IN THE ORDINANCE AND TO TRY AND CLARIFY THIS BETTER IS THAT WE REALIZE THAT PARKING SOMETIMES IS NOT AN EXACT SCIENCE, RIGHT? WE'RE TRYING TO PUT FORTH PARKING REGULATIONS THAT WE BELIEVE ARE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE FACT THAT WE HAVE PARTS OF OUR CITY THAT ARE MORE URBAN IN NATURE AND WE HAVE PARTS OF OUR CITY THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY MUCH MORE SUBURBAN.

AND THEN WE KIND OF HAVE THE SPECTRUM IN BETWEEN, RIGHT? SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE ABLE TO PUT REASONABLE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO AND THEN ALSO HAVE RELIEF VALVES, IF YOU WILL, OR RELIEF MECHANISMS INCLUDED WITHIN THE CODE TO ADDRESS THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT AREAS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

BUT ALSO KNOWING THAT WITH CERTAIN BUSINESSES, THEY ARE DEFINITELY MUCH MORE EXPERTS IN THEIR FIELD THAN WE MAY BE AND THAT THEY WILL HAVE A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENT MAY BE AND BE ABLE TO SUBMIT JUSTIFICATION TO US TO JUSTIFY WHY THIS SHOULD BE GRANTED THAT RELIEF.

SO THE CODE WE'VE TRIED TO PROVIDE THE FRAMEWORK, PUT RELIEF OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THERE TO ACCOMMODATE REASONABLE ALTERNATE PROPOSALS TO BE SUBMITTED TO US TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT. SO I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE I, I REALLY WANT TO HEAR THE REST OF WHAT THE COUNCILOR SAY.

I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE US TO NOT ONLY ADOPT THAT THAT PATRON ADD ON, BUT TO ALSO AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, 50% WAS IN THERE OR WAS NOT IN THERE.

YES. SO THIS IS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

I PULLED IT OFF THE WEBSITE.

THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT THE DIRECTOR CAN APPROVE A PARKING ALTERNATIVE.

SO SO THEN I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE ALSO MAYBE CONSIDER FOUR FOR CRAFT ALCOHOL AND FOOD RETAIL.

THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT TERM. WHAT'S THE RIGHT TERM? BASIS THAT THE THE THE THOSE ITEMS IN 79I HAVE A POTENTIALLY LET'S SAY JUST TO MAKE IT EQUITABLE TO THE SAME AS MULTIFAMILY DOWN TO 10% INSTEAD OF 50%.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL START OFF.

I'LL USE THE MAYOR'S TERM.

I'LL PICK UP WHERE YOU LEFT OFF.

BUT I'M NOT NECESSARILY ADVERSE TO THOSE CHANGES.

I THINK ON THE PERCENTAGE, I NEED TO THINK THROUGH SOME NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE 50 AND TEN ARE PRETTY DIFFERENT.

BUT I WILL SAY WHAT I HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY SO FAR I THINK IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT WE DON'T WANT I'LL CALL THEM NEEDLESS OR THOUGHTLESS MINIMUMS. WE DON'T WANT MINIMUMS THAT EXIST JUST FOR THE SAKE OF A MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED AT LENGTH IN D.C.

IS THAT IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE MINIMUMS AT ALL, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE'RE KIND OF FIGURING OUT AS A PLANNING COMMUNITY, AS, YOU KNOW, AS A SOCIETY, AS A CITY OF OUR TYPE WITH KIND OF MIXED SUBURBAN SEMI URBAN SETTINGS, FIGURING OUT IF WE NEED MINIMUMS AT ALL.

CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JUST THE BROADEST TERMS POSSIBLE, ESPECIALLY FOR PUBLIC BENEFIT, WHY WE ARE LOOKING AT A CHANGE FROM THE OLD WAY OF DOING IT, THE OLD 2019 DDC TO THIS NEW FORMULA? AND IS IT FAIR TO CHARACTERIZE ALL OF THESE FORMULAS AS AN INCREASE IN MINIMUMS, OR IS IT JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF CALCULATING THAT FOR A NUMBER OF USES MIGHT NET AN INCREASE IN MINIMUMS? SO THE WAY I WOULD ANSWER THAT IS IT'S A DIFFERENT WAY OF CALCULATING IN OUR OPINION AND STAFF'S OPINION.

IT'S A BETTER WAY OF CALCULATING, GETTING REALLY TO THE ROOT OF WHAT THE PARKING NEED IS.

AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY WAS THE THE TASK, YOU KNOW, FIRST IDENTIFYING BASED OFF OCCUPANCY LOAD BECAUSE THAT'S THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE.

AND SO WHAT'S THAT RATIO? HOW MANY, HOW MANY SPACES PER OCCUPANCY LOAD? SO WE ENDED UP WITH ONE SPACE PER FOUR OCCUPANCY LOAD.

SO ASSUMING THAT THERE ARE FOUR PEOPLE TRAVELING IN ONE VEHICLE OCCUPYING A SPACE, THAT'S WHERE WE ENDED UP.

AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THERE'S A MIX OF WE'RE INCREASING THE MINIMUM WHILE THERE.

IN OTHER USES, WE'RE REDUCING THE MINIMUMS BASED AGAIN ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT? SO WHEN YOU ARE REVIEWING PROJECTS AND FOLKS ARE COMING IN, I KNOW THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT COME IN AND SAY, WELL, THESE MINIMUMS ARE NOT GOING TO WORK FOR MY PROPERTY, THAT'S

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THE COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE LOOKED AT A PROJECT TONIGHT THAT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH WE DON'T NEED AS MANY SPACES AS EVERYBODY THINKS AS BUSINESS OUR SIZE NEEDS.

SO WE PUSH THEM TO PODS OR WE PUSH THEM TO SOMETHING ELSE.

AND WE KNOW THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS WHERE PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, I REALLY NEED TO BUILD A LOT MORE SPACES AND I'M BUMPING UP AGAINST THE SOFT MAXIMUMS, THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, THE STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS AND BUT I REALLY NEED SOME, SOME RELIEF BECAUSE I NEED MORE SPACES THAN THE CODE IS REALLY GIVEN ME AN EASY WAY TO DO.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE MIX OF THOSE? WHAT ARE WE HEARING FROM DEVELOPMENTS? WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE PROJECTS REALLY ASKING FOR FROM THIS SECTION OF THE CODE? SO WHAT WE'VE INCLUDED IS WE HAVE THE DIRECTOR DETERMINATIONS, BUT WE'VE ALSO HAVE THE RELIEF THAT'S PROPOSED WITHIN THE CODE.

IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE TEN OF THE ATTACHMENT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, THAT SPEAKS TO THE MINIMUM REQUIRED OFF STREET PARKING, THE DIRECTOR IS AUTHORIZED TO REDUCE REQUIRED OFF STREET PARKING BASED UPON.

AND THEN THERE ARE THREE CRITERIA IN RON HEADED ON HIS SLIDE HERE.

EXCUSE ME. SO WE'VE INCLUDED THIS INFORMATION HERE IN 794E2.

THIS IS ALLOWING US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT ARE COMING TO US AND SAYING, HEY, YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENT THAT YOU'VE PROPOSED WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND IT PROVIDES THE FRAMEWORK FOR US TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE THE PARKING REQUESTS.

SO WE SEE THAT TODAY.

MANY TIMES HAYLEY OR MYSELF WERE GIVEN REQUESTS FROM THE TEAM TO WHERE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING RELIEF FROM PARKING, WHETHER IT'S MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

A LOT OF TIMES WE SEE IT MORE ON THE MAXIMUM SIDE OF THINGS AND SO WE ASK THEM TO SUBMIT JUSTIFICATION TO US AND WE EVALUATE IT AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WHATEVER THE EXISTING CONDITION INSPECTORS MAY BE WITHIN THE AREA.

AND SO WE WE LOOK TO SEE IF WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED IS REASONABLE.

WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OTHER DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED TO HAVE SOME CONTINUITY IN OUR REVIEW AND ASSESSMENT OF THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TREATING CERTAIN DEVELOPMENTS DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHERS.

RIGHT. SO WE FIND THAT THIS LANGUAGE HELPS US AND BEING ABLE TO EVALUATE THAT.

THE OTHER ASPECT AND ALSO KIND OF GET BACK TO COUNCILMEMBER BECK'S QUESTION AS WELL IS THE PARKING ALTERNATIVE SECTION THAT'S ALSO PROPOSED IN YOUR PACKET ON PAGE TEN THAT WE HAVE SOME STRIKETHROUGH OR EXCUSE ME STRIKETHROUGH EDITED.

IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO REDUCE PARKING UP TO 50%.

BUT KEEP IN MIND THERE ARE OTHER PARAMETERS THAT COME INTO PLAY THAT WE HAVE TO EVALUATE THE REQUEST BASED UPON.

AND THESE WE'VE MADE ADJUSTMENTS TO WHERE WE BELIEVE THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR.

THE THE IN THE CASE OF MULTIFAMILY OR EXCUSE ME, ON MIXED USE AND NON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, WE'RE PROPOSING TO ALLOW FOR MULTIFAMILY IN MIXED USE AND NON RESIDENTIAL INFILL DEVELOPMENTS THAT THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS MAY BE REDUCED UP TO 10%.

SO THAT SPECIFIC TO MULTIFAMILY REQUESTS, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SPECIFIC TO ANY OF THE RESTAURANT USES, RIGHT? SO IT'S SO TO BECAUSE I WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE WE POINT THAT OUT.

BUT IT'S BUT IT ALSO GOES BACK TO JUST WHAT WE'VE INCLUDED IN HERE ALLOWS US THAT THAT ABILITY TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY IN EVALUATING THESE REQUESTS THEY'VE SUBMITTED.

SO MY APOLOGIES.

I KNOW THAT WAS A LITTLE WORDY. GET IN THERE.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS, YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED.

I HAVE. I HAVE JUST A COUPLE MORE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYOR.

YES. AND I'LL I'LL BE STRAIGHTFORWARD.

SOME OF THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE ASKED ABOUT IN DC, RC, BUT NOT THE GENERAL PUBLIC MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS POINT.

AND SO I APOLOGIZE IF IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M ASKING YOU BRAND NEW QUESTIONS, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK VERY BRIEFLY TO THE CONCEPT OF SOFT MAXIMUMS THAT WE HAVE SOME AND MAYBE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF SOME SOME WAYS THAT WE LIMIT HOW MUCH PARKING OR WE DISCOURAGE OVER PARKING A PROJECT? YES. SO IF AN APPLICANT PROPOSES TO GO OVER THE MINIMUM, THEN FROM 100, 225%, THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT BY MEETING SOME OF THE LOW IMPACT DESIGNS THAT ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH I SWIM THROUGH THE THEIR MANUAL.

THERE'S ALSO THE ABILITY TO GO ABOVE THE 125, BUT BY DOING SO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONSTRUCT PERVIOUS PARKING SPACES.

AND THAT WHAT THAT MEANS IS SPACES THAT ALLOW FOR THE WATER TO DRAIN THROUGH THOSE PARKING SPACES AND HOPEFULLY NOT RUN OFF INTO THE STORM DRAIN SYSTEM.

SO THAT IS THOSE OPTIONS AVAILABLE IF THEY DO DECIDE TO GO ABOVE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES.

YOU SAID 125%.

IN THAT EXAMPLE, IT WAS 125% OF WHAT THE TOTAL REQUIRED BASED ON THE PARKING RATIO.

SO IF THEY REQUIRED 20 SPACES AND THEY WANT TO GO, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER FIVE SPACES, RIGHT? SO THEN THAT THEY'RE ABOVE THE AMOUNT THAT THE 125%.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO CALL WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, MINIMUMS, EACH OF THOSE SOFT MAXIMUMS IS A FORMULA BASED ON THIS FORMULA, RIGHT?

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AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS AND I THINK THIS KIND OF GETS TO THE HEART OF WHAT SOME OF THE COMMUNITY CONCERN IS.

IF YOU TAKE THESE NUMBERS AND LET'S SAY LET'S ACCEPT THE PREMISE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO RIGHT SIZE OUR PARKING, THAT FOR ALL THESE DIFFERENT USES, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND BETTER WAYS TO MEASURE HOW MUCH, WHAT'S THEIR BASELINE, HOW MUCH PARKING WE NEED FOR SOME OF THESE IN THE RETAIL FOOD AND CRAFT ALCOHOL. THOSE RESULT IN SOME PRETTY BIG INCREASES FOR JUST AS A FUNCTION OF PERCENTAGE AT FIRST BLUSH, PRETTY BIG INCREASES.

HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT, SAY, ONE SPACE PER FOUR? HOW DID WE WHAT DID WE CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE FIGURING OUT WHAT THAT PART OF THE FORMULA LOOKS LIKE? SO PRIOR TO 2019, THE 2002 CODE IS WHAT WE REFERRED TO, ACTUALLY HAD ONE SPACE PER FOUR SEATS.

SO THEY USE ONE SPACE PER FOUR SEATS AS PART OF THAT CALCULATION.

IN 2019, THAT PROVISION WAS REMOVED AND IT WAS BASED OFF OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.

SO YOU CAN IMAGINE A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES THAT WERE DEVELOPED PRIOR TO 2019 WERE USING THE ONE SPACE FOR FOUR SEATS.

SO TECHNICALLY THEY HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES TO, AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH TODAY IN PROVIDING THAT ONE SPACE PER FOUR OCCUPANCY LOAD.

SO WHEN WE GO WHEN WE GO FROM 2019 TO WHAT WE'RE POSTING TODAY, YES, IT'S A DRASTIC CHANGE, BUT REALLY WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GO BACK TO WHAT WAS PROPOSED OR WHAT WAS REQUIRED BACK IN PRIOR TO 2019.

MY QUESTION, THOUGH, I THINK WAS WHERE DID THAT? SO IF YOU SAY FOR PER OCCUPANCY LOAD, IS THAT SUPPOSED TO CORRELATE TO KIND OF THE OLD NUMBER OF SEATS OR HOW DO WE CORRECT SO FOR NUMBER OF SEATS FOR OCCUPANTS? RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE LANDED WITH THAT PROPOSAL TO USE FOR OCCUPANCY LOAD AS PART OF THIS CODE AMENDMENT.

AND IS IT FAIR TO SAY IT'S EASIER FOR US AS PLANNERS TO SAY THAT BUILDING'S GOT A FIRE CODE WRITTEN DOWN NUMBER OCCUPANCY LOAD? WE KNOW ALL OF THAT VERSUS, WELL, HOW MANY CHAIRS DO YOU HAVE CHILI'S AND HOW MANY TABLES DO YOU HAVE AND HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE FIXED SEATS AND HOW MANY OF THOSE OR ASSEMBLY AREAS, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE PEWS AND HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE FOLDING CHAIRS, ETC., ETC.? CORRECT. SO YOU'RE USING THE OCCUPANCY SLOW.

THAT'S DOCUMENTED. THAT'S PART OF THEIR SEO.

WE USE THAT THEN TO CALCULATE THE PARKING SPACES.

IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER. IT'S EFFICIENT.

AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, FIRE DOES DO ANNUAL INSPECTIONS.

SO THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO REMAIN AND HOPEFULLY THAT DOESN'T CHANGE, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD.

THEREFORE, THAT REQUIREMENT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ACCURATE.

THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN MAGUIRE.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO CONTINUE BEATING A DEAD HORSE.

SO THE DESIGN OCCUPANCY LOAD.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S DETERMINED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S THROUGH THE BUILDING CODE.

THROUGH THE BUILDING CODE, WHICH THE FIRE MARSHAL USES AS PART OF THEIR OK.

AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY A FUNCTION OF LIKE A COMBINATION OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING AND WHERE THE EXITS ARE LOCATED AND HOW MANY EXITS THERE ARE.

CORRECT? CORRECT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT I HAD TO LEARN AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, WHERE THE AREA BASED ON SEATING IS CALCULATED, DIFFERENT.

IF IT'S A BAR WHERE THERE'S JUST STOOLS THAT'S CALCULATED DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S FIXED SEATING LIKE A BOOTH THAT'S CALCULATED DIFFERENT.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS OF CALCULATING IT, AND IT'S ALL SPELLED OUT IN THE BUILDING CODES.

SO IN THE END, WHAT WE'RE ACCOMPLISHING OR WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS WHAT IS THE OCCUPANCY LOAD THAT'S THAT ALLOWS WHAT THE FIRE ALLOWS THE FIRE MARSHAL ALLOWS FOR THAT USE TO HAVE.

SO IT PROBABLY IS A MORE ACCURATE REFLECTION OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INSIDE THE BUILDING THAN JUST SQUARE FOOTAGE ALONE.

BUT IT'S STILL A NUMBER THAT'S THAT REFLECTS THE QUALITIES OF THE BUILDING, NOT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN IT.

RIGHT. SO.

WELL, POTENTIALLY. I MEAN, THAT IS TRUE.

POTENTIALLY THAT THAT IS THE AMOUNT OF THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD OCCUPY THAT SPACE.

SO AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THAT IT REALLY WOULD BE KIND OF NONSENSICAL TO TO INSERT THE WORD PATRON INTO DESIGN OCCUPANCY LOAD BECAUSE THE DESIGN OCCUPANCY LOAD ISN'T IT DOESN'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN WHAT TYPE OF PERSON IS OCCUPYING THE BUILDING.

RIGHT. THAT'S YOUR COMMENT.

YES. ALL RIGHT.

I, I THINK IN LIGHT OF THAT AND IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WE I DON'T THINK I DON'T SEE A WAY THAT COUNCIL MEMBER THAT MAYOR BECK'S SUGGESTION COULD COULD BE IMPLEMENTED. I STILL HAVE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ABOUT DOUBLE COUNTING EMPLOYEES.

AND, YOU KNOW, I SEE IT AS AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE STATUS QUO, CERTAINLY.

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IF ANYTHING, WHAT IT DOES IS IT PROVIDES FOR BETTER CONTINUITY OR CONSISTENCY BETWEEN WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN BUILDING CODE AS WELL AS THAN WHAT WE WOULD ESTABLISH IN OUR ZONING. BECAUSE IT'S I'VE BEEN THROUGHOUT MY CAREER, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS THAT SAY, OKAY, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES AM REQUIRED TO PROVIDE AND REALLY WHERE THIS COMES INTO PLAY. SOMETIMES IT'S MORE OF YOUR ASSEMBLY TYPE USES, RIGHT? SO BUILDING CODE IS GOING TO ESTABLISH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN WITHIN THE BUILDING SPACE THAT'S BEING PROVIDED.

BUT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT IS TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION A DIFFERENT WAY TO CALCULATE POTENTIALLY PROVIDING PARKING FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE IN THE SPACES I'VE SEEN. IT ALSO MANIPULATED WHERE BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT IS BEING PROVIDED ON THE SITE, WE'VE ALSO LIMITED THE OCCUPANCY OF A BUILDING SO THAT THEY'RE NOT EXCEEDING THEIR PARKING AND TO TRY AND GET IT TO WORK.

BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE WITHIN THE 2019 ADOPTION, IS IT PROVIDES FOR ONE MORE STANDARD WAY OF TRYING TO BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH A MOST APPROPRIATE PARKING REQUIREMENT, ESPECIALLY FOR THESE PARTICULAR USES.

AND THEN ALSO IT REALLY GETS US CLOSER BACK TO WHERE WE WERE PRIOR TO THE 2019.

AND HAYLEY, YOU'LL HAVE TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG OR RON WHEN I EXPLAIN THIS, BUT BECAUSE THEY WHEN WHEN WE ADOPTED THE 2019 PROVISIONS BEING THE FACT THAT WE CHANGED HOW WE CALCULATED THE PARKING, WE ESSENTIALLY MADE BUSINESSES NON-CONFORMING, PARTICULARLY THOSE BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED, FOR EXAMPLE, TEXTILE ACQUISITION OF RIGHT OF WAY.

WE HAVE SOME RESTAURANTS THAT ARE ALONG THE HIGHWAY, SO THEY'RE BEING IMPACTED IN LOSING PARKING SPACES, BUT BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE IN A NON CONFORMING SITUATION, THEY HAVE SOME CHALLENGES WITH RESPECT TO BEING ABLE TO THEN BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE FOR THEIR PARKING.

AND HALEY AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY.

SHE WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO ME THAT IN SOME CASES IT POTENTIALLY WOULD REQUIRE REMOVAL OF ALL THE PARKING SPACES AND THEN THEM BEING REPLACED TO MEET THE STORMWATER CRITERIA BECAUSE REALLY WHERE THEY'RE FALLING INTO A NON-COMPLIANT SITUATION IS EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM PARKING, THE SOFT PARKING MAXIMUMS WHICH ARE TRIGGERING CERTAIN STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GO BACK AND RIGHT SIZE SOME OF THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES I THINK ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHANGES THAT WERE ADOPTED IN 2019 TO HELP BUSINESSES BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IF THEY NEEDED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING IN THE FUTURE.

BUT AGAIN, TRYING TO PROVIDE A MORE STANDARD APPROPRIATE PARKING RATIO IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

DID I GET THAT RIGHT? OKAY, SO.

OKAY. MAY YOU BACK FOR A QUESTION.

YEAH. SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR AND I THINK YOU CAN MAKE IT.

MAYBE EVERYONE CAN SENSE THAT COUNCILOR DAVIS AND I ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVING GONE THROUGH THE CRC AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM COUNCILOR BIRD, WHO'S ALSO IN THERE, BUT I THINK THERE'S THERE'S PROBABLY SUBSTANTIAL AND PROFOUND AGREEMENT THAT THIS IS A BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GET TO THOSE TWO LITTLE BUG FIXES AND THAT IS IT WOULD BE SIMPLE ENOUGH.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH ADDING THE WORD PATRON, BUT IF YOU WANT TO DEFINE PATRON LOAD AS OPPOSED TO GENERIC LOAD AS SIMPLY TOTAL LOAD MINUS THE EMPLOYEES, IT'S REALLY TRIVIAL TO CALCULATE PATRON LOAD AND THEN YOU SAY PATRON LOAD PLUS THE EMPLOYEES TO GET YOU THE DIFFERENT FORMULA FOR THE EMPLOYEES, ONE PER MAXIMUM FLUSH.

SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY EASY TO DO.

NOT, NOT HARD.

AND IT SOLVES THIS ISSUE OF DOUBLE COUNTING THE EMPLOYEES.

AND I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THE AND I THINK COUNCILOR DAVIS UNDERSTOOD ME TO MEAN 10% TOTAL, NOT A 90% REDUCTION.

SO I THINK HE UNDERSTOOD MY WORDS, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I WOULD URGE US TO CONSIDER.

DIRECTOR DISCRETION LOWER THAN 50% TO TO PROVIDE THE REAL WORLD EXPERIMENT.

DO WE NEED THE SHEER NUMBER QUADRUPLING FOR CERTAIN FOOD RETAILERS? AND I THINK WE CAN.

WE ARE ALREADY TARGETING SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, PLACES OF WORSHIP, ALL INDUSTRIAL.

WE'RE ALREADY TARGETING THESE SEPARATE.

SO IT'S IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE NOT BEING CONSISTENT.

WE'RE SAYING WE HAVE A RULE FOR FOOD, BEVERAGE SERVICES AND CRAFT ALCOHOL ARE THE TWO CATEGORIES.

AND YOU SIMPLY SAY DIRECTOR DISCRETION DOWN TO 10% FOR THOSE TWO CATEGORIES BECAUSE THEY ARE THE WEIRD EXCEPTION AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT EXCEPTION FOR HIGHLY CORRIDOR.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE, MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMAN DAVIS, IS THIS REALLY SHORT? BECAUSE WE I MEAN, WE'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY A COUPLE OF TIMES.

I HAVE FOUR SPEAKERS, SO I'M TRYING TO.

SURE. I MEAN, I COULD GO ALL NIGHT, BUT YEAH, THIS IS PRETTY SHORT.

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NOW, THIS IS THIS IS THIS IS REALLY SHORT.

SO THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

IF WE HAVE KIND OF BROAD CONSENSUS ON THE FORMULA THAT WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK A GOOD FORMULA, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE COUNCIL, EITHER FOR THE COUNCIL TO ADOPT A DIFFERENT EX AND TO USE MAYOR PRO TIM'S KIND OF LANGUAGE, A DIFFERENT VARIABLE? IF WE DIDN'T LIKE ONE PER FOUR, COULD WE BUY BY A MOTION AND THEN AN AMENDMENT AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SAY ONE OR SOME OTHER NUMBER OR TWO? COULD COUNCIL ADOPT THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES AND THEN SEND BACK TO DC? RC A QUESTION TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, FOR THE RIGHT NUMBER, SHOULD WE SEND A DIFFERENT NUMBER BACK TO COUNCIL? SHOULD WE THINK ABOUT A DIFFERENT PERCENTAGE FOR DIRECTOR DISCRETION AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF? COULD THOSE THINGS BE? CHANGED BY PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE AND ADOPTED AMENDMENT.

OR COULD THOSE THINGS BE ADOPTED AND THEN SENT BACK TO THE FOR FURTHER FURTHER REVIEW? SO YES AND YES TO ME, I GUESS IT WOULD BE WHAT THE COUNCIL'S PREFERENCE IS.

IF YOU FEEL THAT THE CCRC NEEDS TO WEIGH IN AND CONSIDER IT.

WHAT ONE SUGGESTION I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE TO COUNCIL IS BASED UPON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED THIS EVENING.

WHAT WE COULD DO IS JUST CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TABLE THIS ITEM TO A DATE CERTAIN AND ALLOW US TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE LANGUAGE AND BRING IT BACK.

I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING MAY BE FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

HOPEFULLY WE WOULD ASK FOR ONE CLARIFICATION ON THE 10% REFERENCE.

IT CONTINUES TO BE MADE.

BUT BUT IF YOU FEEL LIKE THESE CAN BE A MINOR ADJUSTMENT IN MCC, FEEL FREE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS AS WELL.

BUT IF WE FEEL THAT THESE COULD BE A MINOR ADJUSTMENT, WE COULD CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO A DATE CERTAIN ALLOW US TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT TO THE ORDINANCE, THEN WE COULD BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL, SEE IF THAT ADDRESSES YOUR YOUR DIRECTION, AND THEN YOU COULD TAKE FINAL ACTION ON THAT.

IF WE WERE GETTING INTO MORE SUBSTANTIAL REWRITES OF SECTIONS OF PARKING OF THE PARKING ORDINANCE, THEN IT WOULD IN ALL LIKELIHOOD BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO SEND THIS BACK TO THE CCRC FOR FURTHER EVALUATION.

IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, IT MAY HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IF WE HAVE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES BECAUSE THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS BASED UPON WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO THEM AT THAT TIME.

SO. SO WE HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS A ROLE IN THIS AS WELL.

WELL, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I ASKED MY QUESTION BECAUSE AND I SAID KIND OF ASKED ABOUT A PARLIAMENTARY PROCESS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO COUNT NOSES.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE SUPPORT FOR ASKING STAFF FOR THOSE AMENDMENTS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED THOSE KIND OF AMENDMENTS.

SO THAT THAT PROCESS HASN'T BORNE ITSELF OUT.

HOW LONG DOES THE CCRC HAVE THIS? SO THE D.C. CONSIDER THIS.

LET'S I'M SORRY, LET ME FRAME THAT.

SO THOSE TRACKING ALONG DC RC IS ACRONYM.

BASICALLY IT MEANS THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THREE MPC PAC MEMBERS TO AVOID EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND NOW HOW LONG HAVE THEY HAVE THIS? WELL, THEY CONSIDER THESE FOUR TIMES IN OUR MEETINGS USUALLY RUN ABOUT 2 HOURS LONG.

SO I WOULD SAY USUALLY WE ONLY COVER ONE TOPIC PER MEETING AT THE RATE WE'VE BEEN GOING.

SO 7 TO 8 HOURS OF DISCUSSION ON THIS.

OUTSTANDING COUNCILMAN.

WHAT? CAN WE JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS? WE GOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

LET'S HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.

IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SECOND IT, LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD.

I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED AT P AND Z.

THEY TRIED TO CHANGE THE WHOLE THING AT THE DAIS.

AND I JUST WANT TO MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS.

IF AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VOTES.

WE'LL GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HEARD IT, NUMBER ONE, FROM THE PUBLIC AND WE CERTAINLY HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WE CERTAINLY HAVEN'T PUT IT. THIS ISN'T A CRITICISM TO YOU.

IT'S JUST LIKE WE'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IF WE WANT TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE A WORD, WE CAN DO THAT.

BUT I JUST WANT TO FINISH THE PROCESS.

MR. MAYOR, I'M 100%.

I JUST WANT TO FINISH THE PROCESS, THAT'S ALL.

YEP. OKAY, SO.

COUNCILMAN MCGEE. SO PERHAPS INAPPROPRIATE.

NOW, GIVEN WHAT MR. WASHINGTON SAID, I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION UNTIL THE 18TH AFTER WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.

BUT I'LL TAKE YOUR DISCRETIONARY DISCRETION AS TO WHAT'S NEXT.

YEAH, WE'LL SEE.

COUNCILMAN BURKE, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? WELL, IT'S JUST VERY QUICKLY.

I WANTED TO IT'S STICKING IN MY MIND ABOUT THIS EMPLOYEE PARKING AND PATRON PARKING.

BUT WE CONSIDER THAT EMPLOYEES PARK IN A CERTAIN AREA OF A FACILITY.

THEY DON'T PARK ALL IN THE SAME AREA WITH PATRONS, FOR THE MOST PART.

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SO, YOU KNOW, I WAS READY TO DEVOTE I'M READY TO GO WITH WITH THE VOTE TONIGHT.

OKAY. I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO GET TO THE PUBLIC.

THEY'VE BEEN WAITING. KRISTEN BELL, YOU FIRST.

I CAN GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES. BRAY.

I'M SORRY. I DON'T KNOW WHERE I GOT BELLE.

THERE'S. YEAH.

IT'S THIS THING ON CHRISTINE BRAY 1204 CORDELL.

I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT I GENERALLY AGREE WITH THE PARKING REDUCTIONS.

AND THEN AS YOU ALL WERE DISCUSSING WITH THE RESTAURANT SECTION, I HAVE SOME OBJECTIONS TO THAT, SPECIFICALLY INCREASING THE MINIMUMS. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I WORKED ON THE DENTON TOWN SQUARE, WHICH, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, IS EXEMPT FROM PARKING MINIMUMS, BUT ESPECIALLY SPECIFICALLY WITH THE EMPLOYEE PARKING MINIMUM. I FIND KIND OF THE ASSUMPTION, THE BASIC ASSUMPTION AROUND THE EMPLOYEE PARKING KIND OF FRUSTRATING.

I HAD THREE COWORKERS OF MY 11.

IT WAS A SMALL BUSINESS.

I HAD THREE COWORKERS, TWO OF WHOM WOULD WALK, ONE OF WHOM WOULD TAKE THE ELECTRIC SCOOTER AND THE PRESUMPTION THAT EACH OF THEM NEEDS A PARKING SPOT, THAT EVERYONE NEEDS A PARKING SPOT, THAT EVERYONE COMMUTES BY CAR, THAT EVERYONE, EVERY TIME THEY TAKE A TRIP, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THERE TO GET THERE BY CAR.

I FIND THAT FRUSTRATING. I COMMUTE BY BIKE MYSELF AND PASS OR ON FOOT.

EVEN PASSING EMPTY PARKING IS A OBSTACLE TO ME.

I COULD EASILY SHOP GROCERIES AT WALMART IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE MASSIVE CIES OF PARKING THAT SEPARATE ME FROM WALMART.

AND THAT IS A VERY DANGEROUS ROAD, A VERY DANGEROUS SECTION OF ROAD TO BE BIKING ON.

AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS THAT MASSIVE OCEAN OF PARKING PARKING THAT SEPARATES ME FROM THAT.

IF IT WERE NOT THERE, I COULD, INSTEAD OF GETTING IN MY CAR, TAKE A MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY TRIP.

AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A OZONE UN ATTAINMENT AREA OR NON ATTAINMENT AREA, SORRY, AND OUR PREDOMINANT EMISSIONS IS CAR EMISSIONS.

AND SO I THINK THAT FORCING SOMETHING ON TO OUR BUSINESSES THAT NOT ONLY RAISES THEIR EXPENSES BUT ALSO MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR PRIVATE CITIZENS TO TAKE TRIPS THAT ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, THAT DON'T THREATEN OUR OZONE IS A BAD IDEA.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

CHRISTIAN. AM I CLOSE? WHAT? I WAS.

I WAS GOING WITH. THERE YOU GO.

YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS THE FIRST TIME.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE. SO THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT YOU ALL ARE STAYING HERE UNTIL, LIKE 930 AT NIGHT OR WHATEVER TO DO THIS.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PARKING MINIMUMS AND ON BUSINESSES, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS.

WE HAD A COUPLE OF INSTANCES TONIGHT OF THINGS THAT RELATE TO THIS.

THE FIRST ONE IS THE HOMEOWNER TALKING ABOUT HIS TAXES AND THE VALUE OF HIS PROPERTY.

EVERY TIME YOU INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT IS REQUIRED IN OUR LIMITED AMOUNT OF SPACE, YOU ARE INCREASING THE VALUE OF THE LAND.

YOU ARE INCREASING THE PROPERTY VALUES.

THIS IS NOT REQUIRED IN ORDER TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THESE BUSINESSES.

MANY OF THESE BUSINESSES CAN DECIDE ON THEIR OWN HOW MUCH PARKING THAT THEY NEED FOR THEIR BUSINESSES.

MANY OF THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE INSIDE OF DENTON DON'T EVEN REQUIRE PEOPLE TO DRIVE TO THEM.

IF THEY DON'T NEED TO, THEY CAN WALK TO THEM.

NONE OF THIS APPLIES TO THAT.

RIGHT. IT'S ALL ABOUT HOW MANY CARS ARE NECESSARY.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT, SPECIFICALLY THE ONES ON I-35.

IF YOU GO THERE IN THE EVENINGS, THEY'RE ALREADY AT MAXIMUM CAPACITY FOR THE PEOPLE JUST TRYING TO GO THERE ALREADY.

WHAT DO THEY NEED MORE PARKING SPACES FOR IF THEY CAN'T EVEN FIT ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

SO ALL I WANT TO SAY IS THOSE THINGS.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. SUSIE REIMER.

IT'S.

GOOD EVENING, Y'ALL. THANKS FOR SHORTENING.

IN THE NAME SUSIE RAY MOORE, 1700 CRESCENT STREET.

I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE REDUCTION SO FOR DUPLEXES AND TOWNHOMES.

BUT TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE INCREASES FOR THE RESTAURANTS, TAVERNS AND BARS.

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IT DOES NOT GIVE US ANY ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE, IT JUST SITS THERE.

MOST CITY PLANNERS ALSO KNOW IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO ACCURATELY PREDICT HOW MUCH VEHICLE PARKING AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY ACTUALLY NEEDS.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW SUCCESSFUL IT'S GOING TO BE.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE FLUCTUATIONS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN WITH A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES.

WE JUST CAN'T PREDICT IT.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WALK BY, TAKE A BUS THERE.

IT'S JUST NOT PREDICTABLE.

SO WE TRY, BUT WE CAN'T PREDICT IT ACCURATELY.

BUT DUE TO THE FEAR THAT SOMEDAY SOMEBODY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO FIND A PARKING SPACE, WE WILL FREQUENTLY REQUIRE TOO MUCH PARKING.

AND IT'S SORT OF PLANNING FOR A WORST CASE SCENARIO WHERE EVERYONE'S DRIVING THERE AT THE SAME TIME AND EVERYBODY NEEDS TO PARK THERE KIND OF AT THE SAME TIME.

THE RESULT IS WE OFTEN BUILD TOO MUCH PARKING AND IT JUST SITS.

A LOT OF IT WILL JUST SIT EMPTY.

MOST OF THE TIME, THIS UNNECESSARY PARKING PUSHES BUILDINGS FARTHER APART, WHICH MAKES IT HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO WALK, BIKE OR TAKE TRANSIT BECAUSE THE DISTANCE ARE A WHOLE LOT LONGER AND IT ALL ADDS UP.

SO AT THESE RESTAURANTS, YEAH, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A TON OF PARKING, BUT WHEN YOU ADD IT ALL UP, IT PUTS THINGS REALLY FAR APART AND MAKES WALKING REALLY HARD.

AND WHEN IT'S A LOT OF EMPTY PARKING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY UNATTRACTIVE SPACES.

YOU'RE NOT GETTING A LOT OF SHADE, IT'S HOT PAVEMENT, IT IS NOT ATTRACTIVE.

SO PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE CHOICE ARE GOING TO DRIVE INSTEAD OF WALK, BIKE OR TAKE TRANSIT.

AND ALSO THIS SPREAD OUT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN BY TOO MUCH PARKING MAKES PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION LESS EFFICIENT.

SO WE TALK ABOUT THE BUSSES ARE EMPTY.

YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MOVE TO SOMETHING LIKE OZONE.

IT MAKES THE BUSSES AND THINGS LIKE OZONE LESS EFFICIENT BECAUSE YOU'RE SPREADING ALL OF YOUR POTENTIAL PASSENGERS AWAY FROM EACH OTHER.

THEY'RE VERY SPREAD OUT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN EFFICIENT SYSTEM.

ALL OF THIS NECESSARY PARKING IS ALSO A VISUAL BLIGHT THAT ERODES THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DRIVE.

IF IT'S NOT ATTRACTIVE, IT'S TOO FAR AWAY, RIGHT? SO THAT MEANS MORE DRIVING IS MORE TRAFFIC ON THE ROADS.

NOBODY I'VE EVER TALKED TO WANTS MORE CARS ON THE ROAD.

GENERALLY, WE YOU KNOW, WE WANT MORE SPACE FOR OURSELVES ON THE ROAD.

RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE MAKING IT HARDER TO WALK OR BIKE OR TAKE TRANSIT PLACES, WE ARE PUTTING MORE CARS ON THE ROAD.

I HAVE A CAR, I HAVE A BIKE.

I'M WILLING TO WALK PLACES, I'M WILLING TO TAKE A BUS PLACES.

BUT IF YOU MAKE IT HARD FOR ME, I'M GOING TO DRIVE.

AND I TAKE A LOT MORE SPACE ON THE ROAD WHEN I'M DRIVING AND WHEN I PARK.

SO AUTOMOBILES ARE ONE MODE OF TRAVEL AND DENTON ABSOLUTELY.

WE DO NEED PARKING. WE JUST DON'T NEED TOO MUCH PARKING.

A LOT OF CITIES ARE LOOKING AT ELIMINATING AND REDUCING PARKING MINIMUMS RIGHT NOW.

MANY HAVE ALREADY REDUCED THEM OR ELIMINATED THEM INSTEAD OF FORCING, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GUESS HOW MUCH PARKING THEY NEED.

THEY'RE JUST LETTING THE BUSINESSES AND DEVELOPMENTS SORT OF BUILD WHAT THEY THINK THEY NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO NEED PARKING.

BUT WE'RE LETTING OTHER CITIES ARE LETTING THEM KIND OF FIGURE THAT OUT.

SO THEN SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE COST OF REQUIRING TOO MUCH PARKING AND THE BENEFITS OF POTENTIALLY REDUCING OR ELIMINATING PARKING MINIMUMS AND JUST LETTING THE BUSINESSES DEVELOPERS DECIDE HOW MUCH THEY NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU FIND SOME WAY IDEALLY TO PULL OUT THE BARS, TAVERNS AND LOUNGE INCREASES, PASS EVERYTHING ELSE.

THE REDUCTIONS ARE GREAT, BUT MAYBE LOOK MORE AT THE BARS AND TAVERNS.

AND EVENTUALLY I WOULD LIKE I'D LOVE TO SEE US HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING MINIMUMS IN A BROADER TOPIC.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MILES WALKER.

GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

HAVE 4 MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCIL.

HEY, DAVID. I'M MILES WALKER.

I LIVE AT 417 SOUTH LOCUST STREET.

I ALSO SERVE ON THE DENTON AFFORDABLE HOUSING CORPORATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

AND I'M COMING HERE MOSTLY TONIGHT JUST TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR REDUCING PARKING MINIMUMS AND GENERAL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

AND MY LACK OF SUPPORT FOR INCREASING PARKING MINIMUMS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

I'LL USE MY FEW MINUTES TONIGHT MOSTLY TO TALK ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ARGUMENTS AND JUST HOW PARKING MINIMUMS IN GENERAL CAN SORT OF.

HARM THE AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

SO PARKING SPOTS JUST INCREASE THE PRICE OF HOUSING, RIGHT? SO IT'S JUST LIKE IF YOU HAVE A WASHER DRYER IN YOUR UNIT THAT INCREASES THE VALUE OF THAT UNIT.

PARKING SPOTS ARE LIKE AN AMENITY AS FAR AS LIKE OTHER AMENITIES IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.

SO THERE'S PLENTY OF ACADEMIC STUDIES THAT SHOW THAT PARKING SPOTS INCREASE THE PRICE OF HOUSING.

SOME STUDIES PUT LIKE $200 A MONTH.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS AND DIDN'T IT MIGHT NOT BE THAT MUCH, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT DOES INCREASE THE PRICE OF THAT HOUSING, WHICH BY DEFINITION LOWERS THE AFFORDABILITY OF THE HOUSING THAT IS ABLE TO BE BUILT.

AND THEN UNDER THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS, DEVELOPERS ARE BUILDING BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS.

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THERE MIGHT BE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT ARE WILLING TO PAY LESS MONEY AND NOT HAVE TO HAVE A PARKING SPOT OR MAYBE ONLY NEED ONE CAR FOR THEIR HOUSEHOLD INSTEAD OF FOUR CARS OR TWO CARS UNDER THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATION.

AND I THINK ALLOWING THE MARKET TO BE ABLE TO BEHAVE IN THE WAY THAT IT WANTS TO BEHAVE IS GENERALLY BENEFICIAL TO DECIDING ON HOW MANY PARKING, HOW MUCH PARKING WE NEED.

JUST LIKE OTHER PEOPLE SAID.

RIGHT. THESE BUSINESSES ARE ABLE TO DECIDE.

THE DEVELOPERS CAN LOOK AT IT AND GAUGE THE MARKET AND DECIDE WHETHER THEY THINK THAT THAT NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS IS IS IS NECESSARY.

THERE'S NOTHING IF YOU REDUCE THE PARKING MINIMUMS THAT WOULD MANDATE THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO BUILD OR DEVELOPERS WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO BUILD FOR PARKING SPOTS IF THEY WANT TO.

RIGHT. YOU'RE NOT NOT ALLOWING THAT FROM HAPPENING ANYMORE.

I JUST THINK THAT GENERALLY LOWERING THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD WOULD GENERALLY BENEFIT THE ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE IT WOULD LET DEVELOPERS WHO MAYBE RIGHT NOW WANT TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT ARE SHYING AWAY FROM IT DUE TO THE GENERAL REQUIREMENT TO HAVE FOUR PARKING SPOTS OR TWO PARKING SPOTS.

AND I THINK REDUCING IT IS GREAT.

I TOTALLY SUPPORT REDUCING IT AND WE KNOW THAT LAND IS VALUABLE.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALREADY TONIGHT.

OTHER PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THAT WE'RE USING THIS VERY FINITE RESOURCE AND WE'RE TRYING TO USE IT FOR THINGS THAT WE COULD USE IT FOR BETTER PURPOSES.

SO BASICALLY DECIDING THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE VALUABLE LAND IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO HOUSE A CAR THAT SOMETIMES IS THERE AND IS USUALLY EMPTY WHEN IT IS THERE, WHEN WE COULD USE THAT SAME LAND FOR HOUSING PEOPLE.

AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, THERE'S TONS OF ACADEMIC RESEARCH THAT HAS TIED THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS TO AN INCREASE IN THE COST OF HOUSING.

SO I THINK IN THE BENEFIT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE BENEFIT OF JUST USING OUR LAND TO THE BEST THAT WE CAN, I THINK GENERALLY REDUCING PARKING MINIMUMS IS A BENEFICIAL THING FOR THE CITY, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE CITY CONSIDER THIS AGAIN IN THE FUTURE, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. JAMES BENNETT, PLEASE.

GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING. JAMES MCMINN AT 818 WEST OAK STREET.

I LOVE THE STUDY CITY, SPECIFICALLY THE IMPACTS OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF CITY AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT LEADS TO SUCCESS OR RUINED SAFETY OR FATALITY.

THE TIME HAS COME TO REVERSE COURSE FROM THE PAST AND FOCUS ON HEALTHY CITIES THAT INCLUDE PARKING SPACES, BUT NOT EXCESSIVE LEVELS OF PARKING OR INCREASED PARKING MINIMUMS. EXCESSIVE PARKING IS DESIGNED FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY.

IT IS A PARASITE ON THE PEOPLE WHO DO THE COST OF EXCESSIVE PARKING SQUEEZE SMALL BUSINESS MARGINS PREVENTING LOCAL ENTREPRENEURS FROM EVER GETTING STARTED.

THEY PUSH LOCAL DENTON ENTREPRENEURS OUT AND LOWER QUALITY NATIONAL CHAINS.

IN FAYETTEVILLE, ARKANSAS, WAS ONE OF THE FIRST SMALL CITIES TO FULLY ELIMINATE PARKING MINIMUMS. LOCALS QUICKLY TOOK OVER LONG TERM VACANT BUILDINGS.

DR. LUSTER TOOK OVER LONG TERM VACANT BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN VACANT FOR DECADES WITH NEW BUSINESSES, THANKS TO THE REDUCTION IN PARKING REQUIREMENTS THEY ADDED TO THEIR CITY'S TAX BASE AND LONG TERM FUTURE SUCCESS OF THEIR CITY, WITH PARKING MINIMUMS RECENTLY REMOVED.

IN MINNEAPOLIS, DEVELOPER SEAN SWEENEY WAS ABLE TO CREATE WELL-DESIGNED, AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS THAT RENT FOR JUST SIX $50 A MONTH, THANKS TO THE REDUCTION IN PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THAT LOW RENT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A ROOF OVER SOMEONE'S HEAD AND BEING FORCED INTO HOMELESSNESS.

THAT'S WHAT KEEPS HOMELESSNESS DOWN IN MINNEAPOLIS.

A PORTFOLIO STRATEGY IS ALWAYS RECOMMENDED IF WE'RE PUTTING ALL YOUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET.

GAS PRICES SKYROCKETED AROUND THE WORLD RECENTLY.

MOST PEOPLE GOT AROUND THEIR CITIES DIFFERENTLY.

THEY HAD A PORTFOLIO OF OPTIONS TO CHOOSE FROM.

AMERICANS, THOUGH, HAVE LITTLE ALTERNATIVE TO DRIVING, WHICH LEFT MANY FAMILIES TO CHOOSE BETWEEN EITHER GAS OR DINNER FOR THEIR FAMILY.

AMERICAN CITIES WERE NOT BUILT WITH ECONOMIC RESILIENCE IN MIND.

THE DECISION TONIGHT AFFECTS THE FUTURE OF DENTON.

THE HIGHEST ECONOMIC SUCCESS OF MY GENERATION ARE TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES WHO GRAVITATE TO AREAS OF WALKABLE URBANISM.

DENTON HAS TWO GREAT UNIVERSITIES FOR THE COMPANIES THEIR BRIGHTEST GRADUATES GO TO WORK FOR.

DO NOT WANT PARKING MINIMUMS INCREASED.

THIS IS A BAD IDEA IF YOU WANT TO ATTRACT GOOD COMPANIES TO DENTON.

THE LACK OF WALKABILITY WORRIED MY WIFE AND I.

MOST IN OUR RECENT MOVE HERE REDUCE WALKABILITY WILL REDUCE U.A.

AND T ABILITY TO ATTRACT THE BEST FACULTY TO MOVE TO DENTON.

RECENT NEWS AND ARTICLES AND ACADEMIC RESEARCH BOTH ASKING YOUR CITY MAKE YOU OVERWEIGHT.

CAN YOUR CITY KILL YOU WHEN YOU ARE FORCED INTO YOUR CAR TO DO EVERYTHING YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ARE AT HIGH RISK.

TEXAS'S BIGGEST KILLER OF 45,000 DEATHS A YEAR IS HEART DISEASE, FOLLOWED BY THOUSANDS MORE FROM OBESITY AND CHOLESTEROL.

THAT IS NOT SURPRISING WHEN OPTIONS TO MOVE AWAY FROM CAR DEPENDENCY HAVE NOT BEEN ACTED UPON.

INSTEAD, WE'RE HERE CONSIDERING INCREASING PARKING MINIMUMS THAT WILL FURTHER WORSEN THESE THESE HEALTH ISSUES.

MULTIMODAL SYSTEM COULD RELIEVE AND HEAL SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS. ACCORDING TO DENTON'S OWN 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PARKING MINIMUMS SHOULD BE REDUCED.

THEY PUSH BUILDINGS TOO FAR APART FOR WALKING TO BE IN THE CITY TO BE FEASIBLE.

MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AND PARKING MINIMUMS MIX LIKE OIL AND WATER.

THEY WILL SOLVE ONE PROBLEM WHILE MAKING MANY OTHER PROBLEMS WORSE.

DENTON IS GROWING. ITS GROWTH SHOULD BE SMARTER, MORE INTELLIGENT, EFFICIENT, ECONOMICALLY SOUND AND FAR MORE SAFE.

THIS IS WHAT THE NEXT GENERATION ARE ASKING FOR IN THEIR CITIES.

INCREASED PARKING MINIMUMS IS NONE OF THESE THINGS.

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THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS. ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPEAK ON THIS? IT'S OPEN. OPEN ITEM.

SEE NONE ARE CLOSED.

THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

LET'S SEE. SO THERE'S NO MINIMUMS DOWNTOWN, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT, YEAH. IF YOU'RE IN THE MDE ZONING DISTRICT.

GOT IT. OK. BECAUSE IT ACKNOWLEDGES THE FACT THAT THE BUSINESSES ARE IN PROXIMITY TO IN RESIDENTIAL USES FOR THAT MATTER, ARE IN PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT, AND ALSO THAT THERE IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF PUBLIC PARKING THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR BUSINESSES TO BE ABLE TO RELY UPON FOR THEIR PATRONS AND THEIR EMPLOYEES.

THANK YOU. AND THEN IS THIS THE SAME FORMULA FOR BARS AND RESTAURANTS AS IT IS FOR THE OTHER 1 TO 4? IS THAT CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT OR DOES IT DOES IT CHANGE BASED ON USE? SO SO FOR EXAMPLE, BARS ONE SPACE PER FOUR AND I SEE JUST GRAB ONE RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY IS ONE SPACE PER FOUR.

IS THAT KIND OF CONSTANT THROUGHOUT OR DOES IT DOES IT EBB AND FLOW? EACH ONE IS IT ONE PER? IT'S A DIFFERENT IT'S PER THE USE.

SO THERE'S DIFFERENT CALCULATIONS FOR EACH USE.

BUT SO, BUT WHEN YOU'RE USING THAT ONE PER, YOU DON'T HAVE ONE PER THREE ONE PER TO ONE PER, IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE ONE PERFORM FOR A RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY AS WELL AS THESE USES.

BUT THAT'S JUST BASED ON EITHER COINCIDENCE.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH.

OK I'M TRYING, I THINK.

I THINK I'M WITH YOU.

I JUST DON'T THINK I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.

RIGHT. AND THEN, RON, YOU WERE HERE RIGHT WHEN THE.

EMERGENCY CENTER THERE AT THE CORNER OF TEASLEY AND TEASLEY, IS THAT RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT ONE RIGHT BEHIND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

RIGHT. YEAH. AND THAT WAS THAT WAS DIRECTOR ADMINISTRATIVE ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION.

RIGHT. THAT THEY COULD GO THERE.

RIGHT. DO YOU RECALL I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER.

I VAGUELY I DON'T RECALL THE DETAILS.

YES. YEAH.

SO I'LL MAKE IT CLEAR.

SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPER KIND OF HAVING AUTONOMY OR DIRECTOR DECISION, I THINK IT IT SERVES THIS BODY WELL TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A GOOD SIDE TO THAT.

RIGHT. BUT THEN THERE'S A DOWNSIDE TO THAT.

AND I'D ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO RESEARCH THAT YOU HAD A DIRECTOR THAT AUTHORIZED ON THAT CORNER TO HAVE THAT IN AND HAD NO PUBLIC INPUT, NO PUBLIC COMMENT, NO.

AND SO THE PUBLIC GETS BLINDSIDED, COUNCIL GETS BLINDSIDED, AND THERE IT SITS.

AND SO THERE'S THERE'S A REAL PROBLEM WITH ELIMINATING OUR ABILITY TO REPRESENT THOSE THAT THAT WE'RE CHARGED WITH REPRESENTING BY GIVING AWAY TOO MUCH OF THAT SO THAT DIRECTORS CAN MAKE UNILATERAL DECISIONS, BE IT PERCENTAGES, BE IT USES THAT SORT OF THING.

AND THAT'S A VERY REAL EXAMPLE THAT I HEAR ABOUT REGULARLY STILL.

SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE PEOPLE THAT THAT THAT STILL STICKS WITH ME AND IT'S A CONCERN OF MINE THAT WE DON'T WRITE OURSELVES OUT OF THINGS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN WE CAN TAKE CARE OF OUR CONSTITUENTS.

AND THEN I WANT TO I DO WANT TO THE COMMENTS ARE NOTED.

THEY'RE VERY RELEVANT.

MY CONCERN, THOUGH, AROUND THOSE ARE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HOUSING PRICES INCREASING, JUST THE 106 HABITAT HOME WAS JUST BUILT TO PARKING SPACES.

IT EVALUATED EVALUATED AT 320,000.

THAT'S A HABITAT HOME WITH ONLY TWO SPACES ON A VERY SMALL LOT.

SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S NOT TRUE, BUT I'M I'M SAYING I HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING THE DATA THAT SAYS FOR PROFIT HOMES GO UP FROM THEIR RENTAL HOME, RENTAL PRICES GO UP FROM THERE.

SO. SO I HAVE A HARD TIME PROCESSING.

I EVEN HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THE REDUCTION.

JUST FULL DISCLOSURE, I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THE REDUCTION ON TOWNHOMES AND DUPLEXES BECAUSE I CHALLENGE YOU AT ANY POINT IN TODAY TO DRIVE DOWN DUNCAN STREET ONE BLOCK FROM OUR THAT'S LIKE ONE BLOCK, ONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE AMERICAN LEGION HALL.

THERE'S A HABITAT HOUSE SITS RIGHT THERE AND CONSTANTLY SIX CARS GO DOWN WILSON STREET HABITAT HOME FOR CARS, ANOTHER HOUSE ON THE CORNER OF WILSON HILL ALLEY FOR CARS.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE, THOUGH, AND IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO GENERATIONS IN THAT HOME, YOU HAVE THE HOMEOWNER AND THEIR CHILDREN THAT ARE MAYBE IN COLLEGE, MAYBE ADULTS WORKING, BUT FOR BECAUSE PRICES ARE SO OUT OF WHACK THERE, THEY'RE THEY HAVE MORE CARS IN THEIR HOME.

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SO NOW YOU REDUCE THE PARKING, WHICH IS FINE.

BUT YOU ALSO HAVE AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE ACCESSORY DWELLING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSES.

AND SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TOUCH ON KIND OF THE DELICACIES OF, HEY, WE GOT WE WE HAVE ONE SET OF RULES THAT HAS APPLIED TO VERY DIFFERENT USE CASES AND HOW DO WE STRIKE THAT BALANCE BEST WE CAN AND INCORPORATE FLEXIBILITY.

ONE LAST QUESTION.

CAN WE DO SOMETHING AROUND INSTEAD OF DIRECTOR DISCRETION OR IS THERE TO ACHIEVE THE 50% OR 10% REDUCTION OR KIND OF THAT THAT MOVEMENT? CAN THAT NOT BE DONE BY SOUP? LIKE IF WE GET TO A POINT AND IT CAN'T BE DONE? OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU.

I JUST NEED IT TO KNOW.

SO I'M GOING TO MOVE APPROVAL WITH THE ONE CAVEAT THAT THE LANGUAGE BE CHANGED TO ADD CUSTOMER OR LOBBY. HOWEVER, STAFF WANTS TO DO THAT ON THAT THAT ONE SECTION.

YES. AND ALSO SAY WE JUST DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, WE BELIEVE WE'VE FOUND THE APPROPRIATE SOLUTION TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT.

AND IT WAS STARING US RIGHT IN THE FACE IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SCREEN HERE.

SO YOU SEE IN THE VERY BOTTOM FOR A CRAFT ALCOHOL PRODUCTION, IT SAYS PLUS ONE SPACE PER FOUR DESIGN, OCCUPANCY LOAD PER BUILDING CODE FOR INDOOR OUTDOOR SEATING TASTING AREAS. YES, WE COULD TAKE THAT LANGUAGE THERE.

AND THEN UNDER BAR TAVERN LOUNGE THAT THE FIRST BOX THAT HAS THE FOUR USES LISTED THERE ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH RESTAURANT WOULD DRIVE THROUGH THAT FIRST PHRASE UNDER PROPOSED REQUIREMENT. THIS IS ONE SPACE PER FOUR DESIGN, OCCUPANCY LOAD PER BUILDING CODE.

WE WOULD JUST APPLY THAT SAME LANGUAGE FROM CRAFT ALCOHOL.

SO INSTEAD OF ONE SPACE PER FOUR DESIGN OCCUPANCY LOAD PER BUILDING CODE, WE WOULD REPLACE THAT WITH PLUS ONE SPACE FOR FOUR DESIGN OCCUPANCY LOAD. PER BUILDING CODE FOR INDOOR OUTDOOR SEATING.

TASTING AREAS.

AND THEN WE WOULD STILL RETAIN THE PLUS ONE SPACE PER EMPLOYEE ON THE LARGEST SHIFT BECAUSE WE'RE ACCOMMODATING FOR THE EMPLOYEE NEED THERE.

AND WE WOULD ALSO RETAIN PLUS THE RESERVE SIGN SPACES DETERMINED FOR USE.

SO. SO IT FURTHER LIMITS THE DESIGN OCCUPANCY LOAD BASED UPON THE INDOOR OUTDOOR SEATING AREA.

SO THAT'S WHERE YOUR PATRONS ARE TYPICALLY CONGREGATING AND THEN BE ABLE TO STILL ADDRESS THE EMPLOYEES PLUS THE TAKEOUT NEEDS.

BUT WE BELIEVE THAT'S AN EASY ADJUSTMENT THAT WE COULD MAKE TO THE ORDINANCE AND FOR COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS EVENING.

OC YEAH, AND I THINK REALLY THE REASON I AND SO I'M IN MY EMOTION, BUT I'LL SAY THIS THE REASON I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY IS TO CAPTUR THE REDUCTIONS AND THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE AND PUT A PUT A STAKE IN THE GROUND.

WE CAN THEN DCA CAN TAKE BACK UP HOWEVER MANY MEETINGS THEY WANT TO REFINE OR REVISIT THIS SECTION, BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE THE REDUCTIONS SOLIDIFIED.

I JUST I DON'T THINK THE CHALLENGE FOR ME IS I ACCEPT ALL THE COMMENTS IS TRUE, BUT I ALSO ACCEPT THAT THAT'S NOT UNILATERALLY GOING TO CHANGE DRIVING BEHAVIOR IN THE CITY.

IT MAY. IT MAY.

AND I'M WORKING TOWARDS THAT.

I'M I'M HOPING FOR THAT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO THEN ALSO.

PLAN AS WE CAN.

I HEARD I WATCHED THE P AND Z MEETING.

I HEARD THE COMMENTS THERE. I UNDERSTAND THE CHINESE EXAMPLE.

THERE'S A THERE'S A SPACE DOWNTOWN THAT JUST DRIVES ME ABSOLUTELY CRAZY.

THEY DON'T HAVE PARKING AND PEOPLE PARK IN THE BIKE LANE EVERY DAY.

THEY MADE A COMMERCIAL ABOUT PEOPLE PARKING IN THE BACK TO GO COMMERCIAL AND IT FEATURES SOMEONE PARKING IN A BIKE LANE.

AND THAT'S NO GOOD, RIGHT? THAT THAT IS BUT THERE'S NO MINIMUMS DOWN THERE.

AND SO AND I ALSO JUST ONE MORE THING.

IT'S IMPORTANT. I TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THAT SIDE OF THINGS THAT I'M LEARNING ARE WE HAVE A HIGHER VACANCY RATE THAN THAN COMPARABLE CITIES ON OUR DOWNTOWN.

AS MUCH AS WE SAY IT'S DOING GREAT, WE'RE WE'RE OFF PACE.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S A MILLION DIFFERENT REASONS.

RIGHT. BUT BUT THERE'S NO PARKING MINIMUMS THERE.

AND SO THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.

SO WE HAVE OTHER OTHER WORK TO DO.

BUT I SAY THAT DOESN'T FIX THAT UNILATERALLY.

THERE'S JUST THERE'S A MIX OF THINGS AND WE'RE TRYING TO DIAL IT IN JUST SO BUT I DON'T WANT TO MISS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A STAKE IN THE GROUND TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND AGAIN, IF I HAD IT MY WAY, I WOULDN'T VOTE FOR THIS BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THE REDUCTION IN THE TOWNHOMES AND I DON'T LIKE THAT AT ALL.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THAT'S A TRUE USE CASE BASED ON DRIVING MY NEIGHBORHOOD EVERY DAY.

I JUST DON'T SEE IT.

I SEE THERE'S MORE THAN THAT.

BUT I'M WILLING TO UNDERSTAND WE HAVE STREET PARKING.

WE HAVE WAYS TO TO MANAGE THAT.

AND AND ULTIMATELY IT SLOWS DOWN TRAFFIC, TOO.

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