Oct 18, 2022 City Council on 2022-10-18 12:00 PM (Special Called Joint Meeting with the Planning and Zoning Commission)

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IT IS WELL 07PM WE DO HAVE A FORUM ON THE CITY COUNCIL SIDE, SO I'LL CALL THE MEETING ORDER AND SERVE. THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON. I WILL BE ATTENDING THIS JOINT SESSION WITH CITY COUNCIL.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT AND IT IS ALMOST AWESOME.

FIRST THING IS, WELL, WE WELCOME EVERYONE AND THEN ANYTHING YOU HAVE.

IT'S NICE TO STILL BE HERE.

I'M CONSIDERED A HOLDOVER AT THIS POINT, SO I LOVE THESE COLLABORATIVE MEETINGS.

SO IT'S AN EXCELLENT THANK YOU.

SO THE FIRST ITEM IS ITEM A ID 222153.

[A. Receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the roles, responsibilities, and expectations of the Planning and Zoning Commission. [Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

SO THANK YOU. MAYOR TINA FERGUSON DEPUTY DIRECTOR, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? OKAY? ALL RIGHT, GREAT.

SO SO WE ARE RECORDING WITH THIS.

SO JUST SINCE WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN ADEQUATELY RECORD FOR THAT.

BUT SO I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE FIRST ITEM TO KICK OFF OUR DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE THIS AFTERNOON.

SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

SO OUR FIRST ITEM SO OUR FIRST ITEM IS TO DISCUSS THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND EXPECTATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

SO WHY HAVE THIS DISCUSSION? SO AS YOU KNOW, WITH SOME OF THE PRESENTATIONS I'VE DONE BEFORE YOU, WE ALWAYS KIND OF START WITH THE WHY.

AND I THINK HERE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE.

SO WE PUT THIS ON YOUR AGENDA ONE, BECAUSE COUNCIL REQUESTED IT, RIGHT? SO, SO STAFF WE ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DELIVER ON THAT ASPECT.

BUT TWO, I THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD FROM TIME TO TIME FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER AND HAVE THAT JOINT DISCUSSION, TO JUST HAVE A REFRESHER REGARDING THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND PARTICULARLY EXPECTATIONS, RIGHT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT BOARD THAN IT IS, I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FROM TIME TO TIME TO HAVE THE TWO BODIES TOGETHER, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL, BECAUSE YOU WORK SO CLOSELY TOGETHER REVIEWING SIMILAR ITEMS OR SPECIAL PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, LIKE THE CONFERENCE PLAN, THE MOBILITY PLAN.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE DID EXTENSIVE WORK ON THAT COMING OUT OF LAST YEAR IN THE FIRST PART OF THIS YEAR.

BUT IT REALLY WHERE IT BECOMES IMPORTANT IS IF WE'VE HAD A CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP ON COUNCIL.

SO AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE, WE HAD AN ELECTION EARLIER THIS YEAR, SO WE HAD TWO NEW PEOPLE ELECTED TO CITY COUNCIL.

YOUR OBJECTIVES AND EXPECTATIONS MIGHT SLIGHTLY DIFFER OR INFLUENCE THE COUNCIL'S POSITION AS A WHOLE WHEN IT COMES TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS OF THEM MIGHT BE.

ALSO, IT'S WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE HAD ANY CHANGE IN POLICY DIRECTION.

I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE'VE HAD A CHANGE IN POLICY DIRECTION, THEN THEY NEED TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF THAT AND HOW THAT MIGHT INFLUENCE THEIR ACTION, PARTICULARLY ON ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT CASES THAT MIGHT OCCUR.

AND THEN THAT LEADS ME NOW ALSO INTO THE NEXT POINT IS ALSO JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE COUNCIL'S PRIORITIES ARE FOR THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY.

ARE WE WANTING THE TOP NOTCH BEST IN EXCEEDING WHAT'S IN OUR STANDARDS OR ARE WE OKAY WITH PROJECTS THAT ARE MEETING THE MINIMUM STANDARDS THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE OR WE WANT SOME PLACE IN BETWEEN? AGAIN, ARE THERE OTHER POLICIES THAT NOW HAVE COME INTO PLAY, SUCH AS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOOL KIT THAT MIGHT INFLUENCE SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT THE COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL MAKES WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES? AND THEN ALSO ANOTHER ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION OF WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE TWO GROUPS TO GET TOGETHER IS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE HAVING DIFFERING VOTING OUTCOMES ON ENTITLEMENT ACTIONS THAT ARE COMING BEFORE THE TWO BODIES.

IF THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION WAS CONSISTENTLY DENYING ALL THE APPLICATIONS BY COUNCILS OVER HERE APPROVING EVERYTHING AND WE'RE CONSISTENTLY HAVING THAT OUTCOME, THEN THAT'S WHEN IT'S REALLY GOOD TO BRING THE TWO BODIES TOGETHER AGAIN, TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT ROLES, RESPONSIBILITIES, EXPECTATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

AND IN PARTICULAR, IF WE'RE DEVIATING FROM ANY OF THE ADOPTED POLICIES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.

SO BEFORE I GET INTO THE CONVERSATION ON ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND KICK IT OVER TO THE MAYOR AT THE END, I THOUGHT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST SHARE WITH YOU SOME PROJECT STATISTICS FOR A MOMENT, BECAUSE AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE EACH HAVE A ROLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY PROCESS, RIGHT? WE EACH HAVE A DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITY, IF YOU WILL, WHEN IT WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY HAPPENING WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND JUST TO PUT A COUPLE OF THINGS INTO PERSPECTIVE.

SO I'M GOING TO SKIP TO THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR, OCTOBER ONE OF LAST YEAR TO SEPTEMBER 30TH OF THIS YEAR, WE HAD 291 PROJECTS THAT HAD SOME SORT OF ACTION TAKEN, WHETHER IT WAS FINAL ACTION BY THE COMMISSION OR THE COUNCIL, MAYBE THERE ARE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN DELEGATED TO STAFF TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE.

ALSO, WE INCLUDED THE HISTORIC LANDMARKS COMMISSION AND ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE THEY DO ALSO MAKE THE ZONING DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY THAT WE HAVE HAPPEN WITHIN THE.

BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THE 291 PROJECTS, RIGHT?

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AS OF TODAY, RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE PULL DATA, OUR SYSTEM, I SHOULD SAY, IS OCTOBER SIX.

WE HAVE 351 PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE HOPPER.

WE REFER TO MANY TIMES THEY ARE IN SOME SORT OF STATUS.

WHETHER THEY'VE GOT PLANS INTO US THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY REVIEWING OR WE SENT COMMENTS OUT AND THEY'RE WORKING ON ADDRESSING THEIR PLANNED COMMENTS AND SUBMITTING PROJECTED PLANS.

BUT WE HAVE WELL EXCEEDED THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR NUMBER.

SO RIGHT NOW WE SEE THAT BY 60, 60 PROJECTS, RIGHT? SO BUT I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH THOSE THAT INFORMATION.

SO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL BUSY, BUT WHEN I SAY STUFF, WE'RE REALLY BUSY.

THESE NUMBERS HELP JUSTIFY THAT.

BUT ALSO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, LET'S LOOK AT THE 291 PROJECTS IN THE PAST FISCAL YEAR THAT HAD SOME SORT OF ACTION TAKEN ON.

SO AS COUNCIL, AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF, YOU CONSIDER THE ZONING ENTITLEMENT, THE ZONING, THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT PROJECTS.

YOU MIGHT HAVE AN OCCASIONAL ONE OFF PROJECT FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT FOR THE MOST PART YOU'RE ONLY SEEING THE ZONING AND SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

SO THAT IS A VERY SMALL PIECE OF THE PIE OR A VERY SMALL FRACTION OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY.

AND JUST LOOKING AT LAST YEAR'S NUMBERS, YOU'RE RIGHT, UNDER 5% OF THAT OVERALL DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY THAT WE HAVE HAPPEN.

THEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE MORE PROJECTS THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

COUNCIL HAS DELEGATED CERTAIN APPROVAL AUTHORITIES TO YOU, SO YOU'RE SEEING ABOUT A THIRD OF THE DOMAIN ACTIVITY THAT'S COMING THROUGH FOR YOUR ACTION, WHETHER THAT'S PLATTS, THE THE ZONING, THE SPECIFIC USE PERMITS.

I KNOW OCCASIONALLY RAISING RANCH PROJECTS, THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION IS TAKING ACTION ON.

AND THEN I'M GOING TO JUST DOWN TO STAFF.

SO STAFF WE HAVE ROUGHLY 58% OF THE ACTIVITY THAT WE'RE TAKING ACTION ON.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S AUTHORITY THAT YOU HAVE DELEGATED TO US THROUGH WHERE WE'RE ACTING UPON YOUR ADOPTED POLICIES AND REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE PUT FORTH IN PLACE.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION AND THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ROUNDING OUT WITH THAT REMAINING 4%, IF YOU WILL.

BUT JUST I SHARED THAT JUST SO TO HELP YOU KIND OF SEE JUST WHERE YOUR LITTLE PIECE OF THE PIE IS AND ESPECIALLY COUNCIL, YOURS IS MUCH SMALLER THAN WHAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS SEEN, ROUGHLY A THIRD OF THAT.

NEXT SLIDE. SO JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER DATA, STATISTICS, ITEMS. SO COUNCIL, THESE GRAPHICS PROBABLY LOOK FAMILIAR TO YOU.

THEY WERE SHARED WITH YOU AS PART OF THE COUNCIL BUDGET PREPARATION THAT WE HAD THIS PAST YEAR, BUT IT JUST HELPS ILLUSTRATE THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES AND THE JUMP THAT WE'RE SEEING IN OUR NUMBERS AND PRE APPLICATION MEETINGS.

SO THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT, THE YELLOW ONE IS ACTUALLY PRE APPLICATION AND PRECONSTRUCTION MEETINGS COMBINED.

BUT FROM A PRE APPLICATION CONFERENCE STANDPOINT, WE'VE WE'VE ALREADY HIT THE 200 MARK, WE'VE GOT THE 200TH PRE APPLICATION CONFERENCE SCHEDULED FOR THIS NOVEMBER.

WE'VE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT ORDERS.

WE REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT THAT A PRE APPLICATION MEETING IS REQUIRED.

SO IT'S STRONGLY ENCOURAGED.

THAT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO GET TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE PROJECT BEFORE IT'S SUBMITTED.

WE'VE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS, ESPECIALLY OUR DEVELOPMENT FACILITATION TEAM, TO HELP ACCOMMODATE APPLICANTS IN GETTING FACE TO FACE CONTACT WITH US SOONER OR GETTING DIRECTION FROM US. BUT, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY THAT WE'RE SEEING, I MEAN, IT'S VERY INDICATIVE OF THE TRAJECTORY THAT WE'RE ON GIVEN THAT DENTON IS SUCH A DESIRED PLACE FOR DOING DEVELOPMENT. SO NEXT SLIDE.

SO I SHARED THOSE NUMBERS WITH YOU.

YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE PIECE OF THE PIE, RIGHT.

IN TERMS OF THE ACTIVITY, TO ME, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, PARTICULARLY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND EXPECTATIONS.

I KNEW THEM. AGAIN, THEY'RE JUST ONE PORTION OF THE PROCESS.

THEY'RE THE MIDDLE, RIGHT? AND SO AS SCOTT WOULD SAY, WE'RE KIND OF LIKE AN OREO COOKIE.

WE'VE GOT STAFF AND COUNCIL ON THE OUTSIDE WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN THE MIDDLE TO BE THE BEST THE OREO COOKIE.

RIGHT. BUT BUT NONETHELESS.

SO FOR US TO UNDERSTAND OUR ROLE FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE IS AGAIN, WE'RE ADOPTING OR WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THE POLICIES AND REGULATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL, WE'LL PROVIDING ALL THAT TECHNICAL REVIEW FOR YOU WERE YOUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS.

WE'RE PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU BASED UPON THE POLICIES THAT YOU HAVE ADOPTED AND PUT IN PLACE.

AND SO THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS, AGAIN, I'M TELLING YOU WHETHER OR NOT WE BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THOSE ADOPTED POLICIES, IF IT DIFFERS, POINTING THAT OUT, HELPING KIND OF ALSO UNDERSTAND MAYBE SOME OF THE GRAY AREA AS WELL AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF.

WE ALSO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO BOTH BODIES AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK ANY OF OUR POLICIES NEED TO BE MODIFIED OR IF ANY OF OUR REGULATORY PROVISIONS NEED TO BE ADJUSTED.

AND SO YOU SEE THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH THOSE OF YOU THAT PARTICIPATE ON THE DEVELOPMENT CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE, WE ALSO THEN WE DO HAVE APPROVAL AUTHORITY AGAIN, THAT'S BEEN DELEGATED TO US BY YOU ALL THROUGH OUR ADOPTED ORDINANCES.

AND WHETHER IT'S MINOR AND AMENDING PLATS, WE TAKE CARE OF THE ZONING COMPLIANCE PLANS.

WE REVIEW THE TREE PRESERVATION PLAN, LANDSCAPING, CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS.

AGAIN, MORE OF THAT TECHNICAL REVIEW, MINISTERIAL FUNCTIONS THAT WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY.

ALSO, WHAT'S IMPORTANT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IS ESPECIALLY THOSE ITEMS THAT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.

WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY OF MAKING SURE THAT PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS IS PROTECTED.

AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS REALLY FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THE NOTICES ARE SENT TO THE NEWSPAPER, THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE NOTIFIED IN ACCORDANCE

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WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLYING NOT ONLY WITH OUR LOCAL REQUIREMENTS, BUT OUR STATE REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AS WELL.

SO WE'RE ALSO MAKING SURE THAT OUR CHAIRWOMAN AND MAYOR THAT YOU SAY THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN AND THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

RIGHT. THOSE ARE KEY WORDS.

AND I THINK MAX IS JOINING US AND HILLARY CLINTON'S TEAM AND MAKING SURE THAT WE GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED.

SO WHEN I SAY MORE PROCEDURALLY THAT THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

AS YOU KNOW, WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING, SPECIFIC USE PERMITS, THE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLOTS AND REPORTS THAT COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND OR COUNCIL.

BUT I THINK ALSO WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THAT WE ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY OF REMAINING OBJECTIVE.

AND IT ALSO HELPS, AS I SAID EARLIER, TO HELP WORK THROUGH THE GRAY AREAS ON SOME OF THOSE POLICIES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE IN.

AND ALSO I KNOW SOMETIMES RESIDENTS MIGHT ACCUSE STAFF OF, WELL, THEY'RE THEY'RE THE APPLICANT OR THEY'RE ADVOCATING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

IF ANYTHING, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE NOT ADVOCATING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

WE ARE INFORMING YOU AND DEFENDING OUR RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHY WE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OR WHY WE'VE RECOMMENDED DENIAL OR MAYBE APPROVAL WITH SOME CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

RIGHT. SO WE'RE PROVIDING YOU THAT TECHNICAL EXPERTISE RECOMMENDATION BASED UPON THE POLICIES AND REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE ADOPTED IN PLACE.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE STILL REMAINING OBJECTIVE AS PART OF OUR REVIEW.

WE'RE LOOKING OUT AT WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY, OUR TEAM AS A WHOLE.

SOMETIMES WE GET ACCUSED OF, WELL, YOU DON'T LIVE IN DEBT.

AND MY UNCLE, YOU'RE RIGHT, I DON'T LIVE IN DENTON, BUT I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO YOU AS A PLANNER.

AND FOR THIS COMMUNITY TO REVIEW THESE APPLICATIONS TO SEE IF THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH OUR ADOPTED POLICIES AND REGULATIONS THAT WE'VE PUT FORTH IN PLACE OR IF THEY'RE NOT.

SO LET'S GO TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

SO AGAIN, YOU HAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY OF IMPLEMENTING OUR ADOPTED POLICIES AND REGULATIONS, RIGHT? YOU'RE PART OF THAT PROCESS WHEN EVALUATING THE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION, YOU'RE MAKING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL ON ZONING AND SPECIFIC PERMIT APPLICATIONS.

AGAIN, YOU'RE EVALUATING THEM TO SEE ARE THEY CONSISTENT WITH OUR ADOPTED POLICIES OR ARE THEY NOT? YOU ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY FOR REVIEWING AND APPROVING DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN WHERE THAT APPROVAL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN DELEGATED TO YOU.

OBVIOUSLY, THE COMMISSION YOU SEE ALL THE PLATS, RIGHT, VERY MINISTERIAL FUNCTION THAT COMES BEFORE YOU ALSO.

BUT WHAT THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE NOW CONSIDERING, AND THIS IS NEW TO THEM AS A RESULT OF SOME AMENDMENTS THAT WE DID EARLIER THIS YEAR WITH SUBCHAPTER TWO.

THAT'S VARIANCES.

WE THERE ARE CERTAIN PROVISIONS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT REALLY NEED TO GO TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR ACTION AND NOT NECESSARILY THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE TYPE OF AMENDMENT.

SO WORKING THROUGH THE MEMBERS ON THE DCR, SEE, YOU ALL PROVIDED SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY TO COUNCIL.

SO HENCE WHY WE, WE'VE AMENDED OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE IN THAT SUBCHAPTER TWO IN THAT MATTER.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMISSION, OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOT A RESPONSIBILITY PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL AND STAFF REGARDING ANY POLICIES OR REGULATORY PROVISIONS THAT YOU THINK NEED TO BE MODIFIED.

IF YOU FIND THAT THE COMMISSION IS STRUGGLING IN ITS DELIBERATION ON A PARTICULAR POLICY OR PARTICULAR REGULATORY PROVISIONS, THEN IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS.

AND WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT WITH TOPICS THAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED THAT THE CRC OR DEVELOPMENT CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS WORKED THROUGH THE PROCESS AND ULTIMATELY TO AND COUNCIL WHERE WE'VE AMENDED OUR POLICIES OR ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.

YOU ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY FOR PROTECTING THAT PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS? I'M CONSIDERING THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

TYPICALLY, IF YOU WERE TO ASK ME ABOUT EX PARTITE COMMUNICATION, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION NOT TO ENGAGE IN EX PARTE COMMUNICATION JUST BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT'S GOING BACK TO YOU SHOULD CONSIDER ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION AS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.

ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S PRESENTED AS PART OF YOUR PACKET THAT YOU RECEIVE, BUT ALSO ANYBODY IN COMMUNICATION THAT YOU HAVE PERSONS THAT ARE CONCERNED REGARDING A PROPOSED PROJECT COMING FORWARD, HAVING ALL OF THAT PUBLIC TESTIMONY PROVIDED EITHER AT THE MEETING OR HAVING COMMUNICATION SENT DIRECTLY TO THE COMMISSIONER SO THAT ALL RECEIVE IT AND ALL CAN BENEFIT FROM THAT SAME INFORMATION.

AND THEN ALSO LASTLY, REMEMBER, YOU REPRESENT THE ENTIRE CITY, SO YOU'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN COUNCIL, WHEREAS COUNCIL HAS CONSTITUENTS, RIGHT? PLANNING THE ZONING COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE CONSTITUENTS.

YOU HAVE THE CITY AS A WHOLE, THE RESIDENTS, THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

HEAR THAT AND YOU'RE EVALUATING THE REQUEST IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY.

SO COUNCIL, YOU HAVE SOME SIMILARITIES WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

BUT REALLY, LET'S STOP AT THE LET'S START AT THE TOP SETTING THAT BIGGER PICTURE OF WHERE YOU WANT THE CITY TO GROW AND OR TO REINTERPRET WITHIN ITSELF.

AND YOU ESTABLISH THOSE BIGGER PICTURE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE.

I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS IN THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AND COUNCILMEMBER BACK.

WHERE ARE YOU? THERE YOU ARE.

I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION AND I'D LOOK AT YOU AND IT'D BE LIKE, YOU'RE TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS.

I NEED YOU TO BE UP AT THE TOP AND POLICY LEVEL.

SO AGAIN, YOU'RE SAYING THAT BIG PICTURE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE AND THAT'S PROVIDED FOR IN OUR DENTON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE ALSO DID THAT WITH A MOBILITY PLAN.

YOU'VE ALSO DONE THAT WITH ANOTHER POLICY THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOOLKIT.

YOU'VE LAID OUT CERTAIN OBJECTIVES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE FOR OUR CITY.

YOU ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY OF ADOPTING THOSE REGULATORY PROVISIONS AND AGAIN, THOSE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS THAT WE DO, THOSE CODE PROVISIONS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE, WHETHER IT'S

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YOU ARE ALSO, AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF, YOU IDENTIFY PRIORITIES IN THE CITY AND YOU WORK IN EXTENSIVE COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE PRIORITIES NEED TO BE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AS WE MOVE THE COMMUNITY FORWARD.

YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ALSO AS PART OF YOUR BUDGETARY CONSIDERATIONS AND WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO FUND AND PROJECTS THAT WILL SUBSEQUENTLY BE ACHIEVED AS A RESULT OF FUNDING THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS. YOU HAVE CERTAIN APPROVAL AUTHORITIES WHEN IT COMES TO AN INDIVIDUAL, FOR THAT MATTER, WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING AND SPECIFIC USE PERMITS THAT INCLUDED THE ALTERNATE PLANS BECAUSE THAT RESPONSIBILITY LIES WITH YOU ALL.

YOU ALSO HAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY AGAIN IN EVALUATING ZONING DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS CONSISTENT WITH OUR ADOPTED POLICY.

IF YOU FIND THAT THE CITY AS A WHOLE IS CONSISTENTLY DEVIATING FROM THOSE ADOPTED POLICIES, THEN IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY COLLECTIVELY TO IDENTIFY IT AND SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT POLICY.

WE HAVE CONSISTENTLY ACTED OR WE'VE CONSISTENTLY ACTED INCONSISTENTLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT POLICY.

THEREFORE, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT.

AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE THAT TOP DOWN POLICY DIRECTION COMES FROM.

WITH COUNCIL, JUST LIKE THE COMMISSION, YOU'VE GOT THAT RESPONSIBILITY AS WELL FOR PROTECTING THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AND CONSIDERING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

AGAIN, YOU'RE CONSIDERING RESIDENTS, BUSINESS OWNERS, LANDOWNERS THAT HAVE PROPERTY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

AND IN YOUR CASE, YOU HAVE THE ELECTED CONSTITUENTS, RIGHT, THAT YOU'RE REPRESENTING.

YOU FIND INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS, BUT THEN YOU ALSO MAY REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.

SO AGAIN, YOU'RE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION MAKING THOSE DECISIONS BASED UPON WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY.

AND THEN ALSO WHAT I'LL ADD IS FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION IS YOU'RE ALSO TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT IMPACT ON CITY SERVICES, THE OPERATIONAL ASPECTS, BECAUSE THAT FACTORS INTO BUDGETARY DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE AS WELL.

SO TO ME THAT'S ONE ITEM THAT IS A LITTLE MORE UNIQUE THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH COUNCIL BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY FROM A BUDGETARY STANDPOINT AND THE OPERATIONAL ASPECT AND WORKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO UNDERSTAND IMPLICATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH CERTAIN DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE.

NEXT SLIDE. SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS SLIDE.

IT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

I JUST HAD THIS FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES.

IT BASICALLY SUMMARIZES WHAT I JUST SAID.

SO WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL KICK IT OVER TO YOU.

BUT AS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING TODAY, SOME QUESTIONS THAT COME TO MIND, THAT COME TO MIND, JUST MAYBE HELP FACILITATE THE CONVERSATION.

AND THAT IS WHAT ARE COUNCIL'S EXPECTATIONS OF THE COMMISSION.

ARE THERE AREAS WHERE THE COMMISSION IS ACTING INCONSISTENT WITH THEIR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, AS WELL AS COUNCIL'S EXPECTATIONS? ARE THERE AREAS WHERE THE COMMISSION CAN BETTER ASSIST OR SERVE THE COUNCIL? AND THEN ALSO FROM THE COMMISSION'S PERSPECTIVE, IS THERE ANY DIRECTION THAT THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO RECEIVE FROM COUNCIL? SO WITH THAT MAYOR, I MIGHT KICK IT BACK OVER TO YOU AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT ALLOW THAT DISCUSSION TO OCCUR.

SO THANK YOU. GREAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GREAT PRESENTATION. AND I DO WANT TO START THERE WHILE YOU'RE UP SO THAT WE CAN GO FROM THERE.

SO STAFF TEXT ON FROM A PERSPECTIVE COVERING THE ENTIRE CITY INTERESTS OF THE CITY NOT ELECTED.

SO THERE'S NO CONSTITUENTS.

THAT'S MY NOTES. AND FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE, BIGGER PICTURE, OBVIOUSLY THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, THOSE ROLES, ANY ISSUES WITH STAFF'S KIND OF SUMMARY.

I WANT TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE THAT'S FIRST THAT'S THE GUIDELINES, RIGHT? SO IF WE CAN AGREE TO THOSE THINGS, THEN THAT GIVES US A GOOD FOUNDATION AND GIVE STAFF KIND OF A CLEAR DIRECTION THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, SO TO SPEAK, NOW OR FOREVER ON YOUR PIECE ON ISSUES WITH HOW THE ROLES ARE ARE LINED OUT.

SO I'LL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IS THERE ANYONE THAT HAS A PROBLEM WITH ANYTHING STAFF HAS OUTLINED AS FAR AS RESPONSIBILITIES EXPECTATIONS THINK? MR. MAYOR. NO, NO, NO REAL QUIBBLE.

THE ONLY THING I WOULD I WOULD COME IN IS SOMETIMES THE OVERSIGHT COMPONENT THAT I THINK IS A COMPONENT OF BOTH BODIES IS IS SORT OF EMBEDDED IN EACH ONE OF THESE THESE COMPONENTS.

AND SO OVERSIGHT AT THE LEVEL OVERSIGHT OF POLICY AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THAT WE HAVE THAT OVERSIGHT ROLE IN BOTH BODIES. SO THAT'S THE ONLY SORT OF NUANCE THAT I WOULD ADD TO THE DISCUSSION.

I DON'T LOVE GOING TO TRACK WITH YOU.

CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT OVERSIGHT? SO I THINK TINA ALLUDED TO THIS EARLIER.

IF IF THE THE THE THE ACTIONS THAT WE'RE TAKING DO OR DO NOT TRACK WITH POLICY IN THE CASE OF B AND Z OR IN THE CASE OF COUNSEL, IF WE FEEL WE NEED TO AMEND POLICY FROM THE COMMUNITY, WILL THERE'S AN OVERSIGHT COMPONENT TO SAY HOW HOW ARE WE FOLLOWING THOSE GUIDELINES? AND DO WE FEEL THAT OF THIS THREE LEGGED STOOL, ONE ONE LEG NEEDS SOME WORK?

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SO I THINK THAT'S IT'S IMPORTANT TO SORT OF BE PART OF THE WHOLE OVERALL SERIES OF CHECKS AND BALANCES, AS IT WERE.

I WANT TO STRETCH THAT TOO FAR BECAUSE IT'S IT'S AN INCOMPLETE METAPHOR.

BUT BUT SORT OF THE THE THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF IT IS NOT NECESSARILY TO SIMPLY KEEP THE CITIZENS AWARE OR SAY IN THE CASE OF P AND Z, BUT ALSO TO TO DO WHAT TINA WAS TALKING ABOUT TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT UP AND DOWN THE CHAIN THROUGHOUT THE THREE LEGGED STOOL THAT THAT FOLKS ARE AWARE OF WHEN WE'RE NOT FULLY IN COMPORT WITH EACH OTHER.

ANYONE ELSE? JEFFREY WATTS YEAH, I GUESS I DON'T I DON'T REALLY SEE IT WHEN YOU SAID WE'RE NOT IN COMPORT WITH EACH OTHER. TO ME, MINING IS ONLY A SEPARATE BODY.

THEY'RE POINTED. THOSE MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I WON'T GO INTO IT. BUT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION MANY YEARS BACK ABOUT YOUR APPOINTEES AND ARE THEY THERE TO DO BIDDING FOR YOU AND TO HANDLE YOUR PUT FORTH YOUR OWN KIND OF PERSON? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.

I THINK WHEN WE WHEN I APPOINT SOMEBODY, I EXPECT THEM TO USE THEIR INTELLIGENCE.

I EXPECT THEM TO USER EXPERIENCE THEIR EXPERTISE AND THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE A DECISION THAT IS COMPORTS WITH WHAT THEY BELIEVE TO BE TRUE ABOUT THEIR ROLE IN THAT IN THAT AREA. SO IF THERE'S DISAGREEMENT, I GUESS I DON'T REALLY SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

I GUESS IF IT'S EVERY TIME, BUT IT'S NOT EVERY TIME.

SO I JUST TRUST THE PROCESS.

I MEAN, IF IT GETS UP THERE AND THEY MAKE A DECISION, COUNCIL GETS TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND MAKE A DECISION THEMSELVES.

AND I DON'T BEGRUDGE ANYBODY FOR THE DECISION THEY MAKE BECAUSE I COULD MAKE MY OWN DECISION AS WELL.

SO I REALLY TRUST THAT IT'S AN INDEPENDENT BODY TO USE THE POLICIES THAT THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT THEY BELIEVE ARE RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL COME FROM DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES, DIFFERENT IDEAS, DIFFERENT PLATFORMS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES DECISION MAKING WORK.

SO I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT IF THERE'S IF THERE WERE TOO MUCH AGREEMENT, I'D BE CONCERNED AS PROBABLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED.

SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THOUGHTS ON SOME OF THE DISCUSSION.

NO, NO. YEAH, I THINK I THINK THAT NO, NO, I THINK THAT'S EVERYBODY.

ANYONE ELSE COUNCIL WAS SEEING NONE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

YEAH. I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD TO WHAT COUNCIL SAID.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HOW IT ALL WORKS, IT'S STAFF COLLECTS ALL THE INFORMATION AND PRESENTS A RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN P AND Z, WHEN IT'S IN OUR PURVIEW, WE'RE DOING THAT SAME THING.

AND THEN IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

AND THEN COUNCIL GETS IT AND KIND OF TAKES ALL THAT COLLECTIVE.

THE THING IS, IS YOU DON'T ALWAYS TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.

I MEAN, WE DON'T ALWAYS TAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION.

COUNCIL DOESN'T ALWAYS TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.

I MEAN IF IT'S, IF IT'S OFF SCALE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, PERHAPS SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.

BUT BY AND LARGE, EVERYBODY DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO AGREE.

IF WE'RE ALL DOING OUR JOBS, WE PROBABLY WON'T.

WELL, IF THERE'S ANY AREA, I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR TO THE COMMISSION.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO COMMISSIONER SHUHAM? I THINK THE DEFINITION OF THE ROLE IS TOTALLY WITHIN PURVIEW, SO NOTHING OTHER THAN JUST SAYING IN THERE.

THERE'S NO ADDITIONS I WOULD MAKE.

I THINK THERE'S SOME JUST TO STAY WITHIN THE TIMELINE FOR TODAY.

I THINK THERE'S SOME PIECES THERE THAT I'D RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL THAT ARE SUPER HELPFUL FOR US AS A COMPANY, BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT LIKE IT'S THERE.

SO. YES.

OKAY. AND THEN SO COUNCIL EXPECTATIONS OF THE COMMISSION, IS THERE ANYTHING WE WOULD ADD? AND I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO PRIME THE PUMP AND SAY AS AS.

A BODY THAT'S NOT ELECTED.

I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE THEN, FROM A COMMISSION STANDPOINT, ASK THAT WE NOT TAKE PERSONAL ONES AT EACH AT THE COUNCIL. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE ASK ANYONE THAT WOULD SPEAK FOR COUNCIL, HEY, DON'T ATTACK ANY AWARD.

GO MAKE RUNS AT ANY COUNCIL MEMBER DIRECTLY AS A BODY.

CERTAINLY. AND I DON'T ENFORCE THAT TO THE DEGREE THAT I COULD, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET IN A BUNCH OF ARGUMENTS.

IF PEOPLE HAVE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, THOSE SAME FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS TRICKLE DOWN TO YOU.

BUT I JUST SAY FROM AN ELECTED BODY TO A BODY THAT'S APPOINTED THAT I THINK IT'S GOOD COURTESY TO MIRROR THOSE BEHAVIORS SO THAT WE'RE NOT SEEN AS ADVERSARIAL, SO THAT WE ARE SEEN AS WE WORK TOGETHER.

I SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME ISSUE.

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THAT'S AN INSIDE JOKE. BUT BUT, BUT THERE'S YOU CAN THERE'S WAYS TO CONTACT EVERY ONE OF US.

IF YOU HAVE ISSUES, BY ALL MEANS, USE THOSE TO CONTACT YOUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE AND MAKE SURE YOU ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS THAT WAY.

THAT IS A CONCERN OF MINE, AND I THINK THAT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO PUT OUT THERE.

ALSO, I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ENTIRE CITY, I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL.

I JUST YOU CAN'T TARGET ONE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM A COMMISSION LEVEL.

AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE COMMISSION WHERE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.

BUT IT HAS TO BE A CITY.

LOOK, I MEAN, THERE'S THERE'S ROBESON NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, THERE'S SETTING UP NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, THERE'S NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, THERE'S HORSE RACES, NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. AND AS A COMMISSION, IF WE START TO SEGREGATE AND SELECT OUT, HEY, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TAKES PRIORITY, I THINK THAT'S THAT'S DANGEROUS FROM WHAT WHAT'S WHAT THE TASK AT HAND IS.

BUT MORE. YES.

YEAH. I MEAN, BECAUSE, AGAIN, I JUST.

I DON'T WANT TO GO.

I WANT IT TO BE OPEN, TRANSPARENT CONVERSATION.

AND THAT IS A STICKING POINT FOR ME WHEN I WATCH P AND Z MEETINGS.

I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SPECIFIC CALL OUTS VERSUS THE ENTIRETY OF THE CITY, AND I COULD BE ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

SO OPEN TO HEARING THAT.

THANK YOU. YEAH, I'LL SAY A FEW WORDS AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSION.

GETTING TO YOUR FIRST POINT WITH REGARD TO ANY KIND OF CALL OUT, THAT'S COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE AND EVERYONE KNOWS HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT.

I MEAN, WE'RE HERE TO DO A PROFESSIONAL JOB.

IF THERE ARE ISSUES YOU HAVE.

YES. EMAIL, PHONE.

IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS SOMETHING, THAT'S WHERE IT BELONGS.

WE'RE HERE TO DO A JOB AS THE COMMISSION.

WE ARE HERE TO LOOK AT WHAT IS GIVEN US IN OUR MATERIAL FOR OUR AGENDA.

AND WE DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA.

OUR AGENDA IS WHATEVER OUR AGENDA IS.

FOR THE CITY OF DENTON PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

WITH REGARD TO SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS, YES, WE DON'T HAVE CONSTITUENTS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT CAN BE A DIFFICULT ROLE SOMETIMES BECAUSE IF SOMEONE KNOWS WE'RE ON AND Z, THEY KNOW WE LIVE IN THE AREA, THEY'LL CONTACT US DIRECTLY, WHICH IS GREAT.

AND WE SHOULD BE A GIVER OF INFORMATION, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE.

VOCAL PIECE.

THAT'S WHAT OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE FOR.

THAT'S WHAT THE ONLINE FORUMS ARE FOR.

IF THEY WANT TO SEND EMAILS TO COUNCIL AT LARGE, TO COMMUNITY AT LARGE, TO THE PLANNERS, THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE THOSE VOICES BELONG.

WE'RE WE'RE NOT THEIR VOICES.

WE CAN GIVE THEM INFORMATION, BUT WE'RE NOT THEIR VOICES.

SO WITH YOU SAYING THOSE WORDS, LET ME PUT IT OUT HERE.

CALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND LET YOU ADD WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD.

COMMISSIONER, OF COURSE I AM FAIRLY NEW TO THE COMMISSION AND IT'S TAKEN ME SOME TIME TO TRY TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN OC. ALTHOUGH I AM I AM A RESIDENT OF SOUTHEASTERN.

I HAVE TO KIND OF I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM AND I'M TRYING TO LET THEM KNOW THAT NOW.

IT TOOK ME IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO DO THAT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW THAT.

BUT AS I GET BACK WITH THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTHEAST DENTON AND I TELL THEM HOW IT WORKS, I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT I HEAR THE SAME THING FROM EVERY INDIVIDUAL IS WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN, IT'S FROM FROM A YOUNG PERSON TO AN LGBT PERSON, I'D SAY.

WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW. WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW THEY WORKED.

AND I'M LIKE, WELL.

YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS WAS NEVER BROUGHT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN.

AND MAYBE THEY THEY JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT.

THAT'S WHY I WAS PRETTY MUCH SPEAKING UP FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT SLOWLY BUT SURELY, I'M GETTING THEM ON BOARD.

HEY, THERE. THERE ARE WAYS TO HAVE YOUR VOICE HEARD INSTEAD OF JUST THINKING THAT, HEY, I CAN'T GO UP THERE AND TELL THEM, HEY, SOUTHEASTERN DOESN'T WANT THAT.

NOW, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO GO UP THERE ON THEIR OWN, BUT I'M JUST AMAZED AT.

I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE 1990.

BUT WHEN I TALK TO THE INDIVIDUALS, IT'S LIKE WE HAD NO IDEA.

WE WERE WE WERE TOLD THIS.

WE WERE TOLD THAT I'M LIKE, I HATE I HATE TO BE THE FLY IN THE OINTMENT, BUT YOU WERE TOLD WRONG AND I'M TRYING TO GET THEM ON THE RIGHT

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SO HOPEFULLY FROM THIS DAY FORWARD, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO COME UP AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY TOLD THEM I CAN'T BE.

I HAVE TO BE UNBIASED.

AND IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO LEARN THAT.

AND YOU'VE HELPED ME WITH THAT.

AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

BUT I'M LETTING THEM KNOW THAT I CANNOT SPEAK FOR THE LABEL.

IF YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR YOURSELVES, THEN YOU HAVE NOBODY TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF.

AND AND TO THAT POINT, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, IS PEOPLE, THE MAJORITY, UNFORTUNATELY, OF CITIZENS DON'T KNOW HOW HOW IT WORKS.

AND THEY GET INVOLVED WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THEIR AREA AND IT'S LIKE, OH MY GOSH, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND. LUCKILY WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THAT'S WHEN THEY LEARN AND THAT'S WHEN THEY GET INVOLVED.

AND WE, I THINK OVER THE YEARS OF THE CITY HAVE DONE TREMENDOUSLY GREAT THINGS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR CITIZENS VOICES TO BE HEARD.

SO, YEAH, THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO TO ANY CITIZEN WHO COMES TO YOU ON A CONCERN OR A PROJECT IS.

GIVE THEM INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE.

OR TELL THEM HOW TO GET THE INFORMATION AND THEN HOW TO HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD, EVEN IF IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

THEY CAN STILL CONTACT THE PLANNER.

THEY CAN STILL CONTACT THEIR REPRESENTATIVE.

THE REPRESENTATIVE, THE ELECTED OFFICIAL IS WHO CAN BE THEIR VOICE.

THE COMMISSION IS NOT THAT PERSON, BUT WE CAN HELP THEM UNDERSTAND IT AND WE CAN HELP THEM GET INVOLVED AND UNDERSTAND AND HOPEFULLY BECOME BETTER COLLABORATORS AND CITIZENS OF THE CITY AND HOPEFULLY GET INVOLVED AND MAYBE SIT ON A BOARD ANYWAY.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER SMITH.

THIS IS NOT SOME SORT OF ORGANIZATION BY ANY MEANS, BUT FOR THOSE WHO ARE ON COUNCIL, WHO HAVE BEEN ON PMC, I KNOW WITH COUNCILOR BECK THAT WE'RE THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE IS THE WRONG WORD.

WE'RE HONESTLY, WE'RE THE FIRST BULLET SPONGES WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC HEARING.

I MEAN, THE IT'S NOT I'M NOT SAYING THAT CITY COUNCIL, YOU DON'T GET VILE, VINDICTIVE, BITTER PEOPLE WHO SPEAK TO YOU, BUT THEY'VE USUALLY PUT IT OUT ON US FIRST BEFORE THEY GET TO YOU WHEN IT COMES TO THESE TYPES OF CASES.

AND SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE COMMISSIONER MCDADE IS COMING FROM.

THAT CAN BE HARD TO BE UNBIASED, CITY WIDE REPRESENTATIVES.

BUT SOMETHING TO WHAT MIKE TALKED ABOUT IN THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW IT WORKED THIS WAY.

IT'D BE VERY. I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ALL HAVE BUSY LIVES AND JOBS AND CAREERS AND FAMILIES.

THE MORE THAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS SEE YOU AS THE ELECTED OFFICIAL, THE LESS WE AS THE APPOINTED OFFICIAL GETS THE THE THE THE MOST POISONOUS OF NATURE IN CONVERSATIONS AT PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT IF I CAN PICK ON BRIAN BECAUSE WHATEVER THE IF EVERYONE IN DISTRICT TWO KNOWS BRIAN AND KNOWS THERE'S A PROJECT COMING AND THEY WANT TO TALK TO BRIAN, THEY CAN REACH OUT AND THEY TALK TO BRIAN, HOPEFULLY GET SOME SOME INSIGHT ON THAT.

THEY CAN SEE THE LIST OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS.

THEY CAN SEE TO A POINT AT US.

BUT UNLESS THEY DO THAT RESEARCH AND GO THROUGH AND GOOGLE AND SEE THAT THEY'RE JUST THEY DON'T SEE OUR NAMES UNTIL WE'RE ON THE DAIS.

AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THEIR EMOTIONS COME OUT FIRST FOREMOST.

SO IT'S MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE TO WHAT COMMISSIONER MCDADE SAID.

THEY DON'T KNOW.

THEY SHOW UP. THEY THINK THAT OUR DECISION IS THE FINAL DECISION.

A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE THE ONES EDUCATING THE, HEY, THIS IS GOING TO COUNCIL STAFF HAS DONE AN AWESOME JOB OF INCLUDING AT THE VERY END OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO GO ON TO COUNCIL TO SAY THIS IS GOING TO GO IN FRONT OF COUNCIL PROJECTED OCTOBER 18TH.

RIGHT. AND PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.

WE ALSO SAY THE SAME THING TO THEM, BUT THEY GET A LOT OF THEIR EMOTIONS OUT ON US.

SO I THINK IT'S JUST GOOD FOR THE COUNCIL WHO MAYBE DON'T KNOW THAT TO HEAR THAT WE GET THE EMOTIONAL STUFF, THEY KIND OF USE US AS THE DRY RUN AND THEN THEY COME TO YOU HOPEFULLY A LITTLE MORE, A LITTLE MORE LOGICAL AND SOME OF THEIR EMOTION AND THE FIRE IS ALREADY GONE.

SO WE GET CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE.

AND I THINK THAT I APPRECIATE YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWING THAT WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST.

AND AS YOU PRAY.

THANK YOU, JERRY. SO WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT? I DON'T EVEN KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I SAW THE LITTLE POSTCARDS THAT WE SEND OUT.

I WONDER IF ONE ACTION WE CAN TAKE ON THOSE POSTCARDS IS JUST TO INFORM RESIDENTS OF WHO THEIR COUNCIL MEMBER IS.

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AND THEN JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER INTERESTING THINGS.

MY IMPRESSION IS MY IMPRESSION.

SO PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS AS A GROUP UNDERSTANDING.

MY IMPRESSION IS YOU TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS, MAYOR, IS THAT THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE COMMONLY THE DIRECTION OF PLANNING AND ZONING ENDS UP ELEVATING THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS OVER THE BROADER CONCERNS OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THERE ARE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THE BROADER CONCERNS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ARE ELEVATED ABOVE PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS THAT MIGHT BE SIMILAR. IT'S HARD TO DO A 1 TO 1 COMPARISON BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE SAME.

EVERY PROJECT IS DIFFERENT AND THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR THAT THAT I THINK HAVE BEEN TOUCHED ON ALREADY.

MY QUESTION TO COUNCIL WOULD BE, IS THERE A.

A LEVEL OF HOW YOU WOULD LIKE US TO EVALUATE THINGS AS FAR AS DEFERENCE TO NEARBY NEIGHBORS VERSUS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UNDERSTANDING.

AND EMBEDDED IN THAT IS A IS A SORT OF A QUESTION OF WITH THINGS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE YOU IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS, WHENEVER.

HAVE YOU EVER HAD ANY CONFUSION ON WHY PLANNING AND ZONING OPERATE IN A CERTAIN WAY? I KNOW THE STAFF GIVES A SUMMARY A LITTLE BIT, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING WE COULD DO AS A BODY TO HELP COMMUNICATE EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE SO THAT THINGS MOVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SMOOTHLY? I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER POINT.

WE'RE GOING TO GET TO DISCUSSION.

THAT'S WHERE WE CAN BETTER. YEAH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ADD TO THE DISCUSSION? OKAY. YEAH. SO THEN, AH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT IN OUR AND I DO WANT TO ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER SMITH, YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT AND, AND SO I'LL DEFER TO, TO THE COMMISSION IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAYS THAT STAFF CAN COMMUNICATE THAT IN THE FRONT END. RIGHT. AND YOU SAY TO DO IT ON THE BACK END.

BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE KIND OF AS THAT'S BEING NOTICED OR THAT SORT OF THING, OR MAYBE THERE IS SOME I DON'T KNOW WHAT SYMBOL OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS, HEY, THIS ONE'S GOING ON, THIS LAST OFFICE HERE, KIND OF WHATEVER WE CAN DO.

I THINK THAT'S A VALID POINT, HOW WE CAN COMMUNICATE THAT BETTER THAN, HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO SHOTS OF THIS OR JUST KIND OF HELPS STEM THE TIDE A BIT.

I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND THEN I THINK JUST TO JUMP AHEAD AND THEN I'LL OPEN IT FOR QUESTIONS.

I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT, ERIC, AND I THINK NO ONE WOULD KNOW BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE REASON TO.

BUT I REACH OUT EVEN BEFORE HE'S ON HERE, ERIC AND I WOULD WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD A MILLION TIMES OR I CALLED HIM ON SOMETHING A MILLION TIMES JUST BECAUSE I APPRECIATE HIS DATA FOCUS. AND HE'S PRETTY EVEN STEVEN AND HE DELIVERS BAD NEWS AS WELL.

BUT BUT I SAY THAT TO SAY THAT THAT'S VALUABLE.

YOUR POINT ABOUT HOW TO HOW TO HOW WE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BASICALLY IS WHAT I WHAT I ASK EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL I TALK TO JUST AT OTHER LEVELS.

I SAY HEY, WHAT IS YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS? SO I CAN ONLY ANSWER FOR ME, BUT I'LL TELL YOU, I, I AM AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY OFFENDER, RIGHT? I JUST THINK THERE'S NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD PER SE THAT WEIGHS ABOVE ANOTHER.

AND I THINK EVERYONE'S OX IS GOING TO GET GORED BY THE TIME WE GET AROUND TO IT.

SO I JUST TRY TO MAKE IT.

I COME TO A COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT 70% BAKED, RIGHT, BECAUSE I HAVE AN ISSUE AND I'VE STOOD IN FRONT OF THAT PODIUM AND FELT IGNORED TOO MANY TIMES. RIGHT. AND SO PEOPLE COME TO PEOPLE THAT I DON'T WANT TO BE AN ELECTED THAT SITS AT THE DAIS AND EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE I STAND AND I'M A LOST CAUSE. I WANT TO BE THERE AND BE OPEN.

THE PERSON THAT TALKS TO ME TWO MONTHS BEFORE WE VOTE VERSUS THE PERSON THAT TALKS TO ME 2 SECONDS BEFORE WE VOTE SHOULD HAVE THE WEIGHT THE SAME.

AND SO I JUST KIND OF WAY THOSE AND BEST OPTIONS AND YOU KNOW, YOU ALL KNOW WELL TOO WELL THAT THERE'S THERE'S NOT A PERFECT SOLUTION.

RIGHT. IT'S IT'S THE SOMETIMES IT'S THE BEST OF TWO BAD OPTIONS AND OUR CODES AND ORDINANCES DON'T KEEP UP FAST ENOUGH WITH CHANGES PEOPLE TRYING TO MANIPULATE THOSE, OUR WORK AROUND THEM OR THAT SORT OF THING.

RIGHT. TO SEE SEE WHAT IS THAT? PARK SEVEN. PARK NINE, WHATEVER THE THING IS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY LEVERAGED, RIGHT? AND SO WE CAN'T CLOSE THOSE GAPS FAST ENOUGH.

SO THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S MY APPROACH TO IT IS, NO, I DON'T HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD PREFERENCE OR A KIND OF GROUP PREFERENCE, BUT MORE KIND OF HOLISTIC.

HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE CITY? IS IT GOOD, BAD, INDIFFERENT? AND THEN THAT PUBLIC INPUT KIND OF FILLS IN THE LAST PART.

SO STAFF'S KIND OF MAKES THAT IS ABOUT 70%.

AND THEN WHATEVER WE HEAR AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FROM THE PUBLIC LEADING UP TO AND THEN I DON'T MAKE A DECISION UNTIL I HAVE TO AND I DON'T SIGNAL WHERE I FALL EARLY AND

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SO THAT'S THAT'S MY INDIVIDUAL APPROACH.

BUT BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF I DO WANT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

GREAT QUESTION. SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COUNCILMEMBERS.

ANY ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

IF NOT, THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM FROM COUNCILMEMBER.

I HAVE A QUESTION. IF STAFF IS COMING TO PLANNING AND ZONING WITH INFORMATION, A PLAN OF ACTION RECOMMENDATIONS, HOW DOES THE THE PLANNING AND ZONING TO REJECT OR DENY WHAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED SUGGESTIONS FOR, FOR WHATEVER PROJECT? BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE VOTE IS 5 TO 1.

YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE WHERE THE VOTE MAY BE 6 TO 6 SEVEN ZERO.

BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THERE'S A REJECTION OF THE PROJECT.

HOW CAN THAT HAPPEN? AND THEN THE PROJECT, I CAN SEE THE PROJECT MAY NOT COME TO CITY COUNCIL OR DO ALL THE PROJECTS COME TO THE CITY, ALL THE ALL OF THE GAYS COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DENIED SOME.

JUST HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO I GUESS I CAN HELP ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.

MARK, YOU SAY IF YOU WERE GOING TO ADDRESS IT, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

YEAH. I MEAN, IN IN THE PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER IT'S RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL, IT WILL COME TO COUNCIL.

IF WE RECOMMEND DENIAL, IT WILL BE A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE AT COUNCIL.

TO HAVE IT APPROVED IS HOW IS HOW OUR ORDINANCE RATES FOR THAT SO WE DON'T MAKE A FINAL DECISION EXCEPT WHERE NOTED PLOTS FOR ONE DON'T COME BEFORE YOU.

BUT IF IT WERE JUST THE RECOMMENDATION, IT'S GOING TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE FINAL DECISION UNLESS IT GETS PULLED AND PROJECTS HAVE BEEN PULLED AND NEVER MADE IT TO CITY COUNCIL.

BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS WITHDRAWN THE PROPOSAL.

IS THAT HOW? THANK YOU.

AND THAT AS FAR AS YOUR POINT OF HOW COULD IT BE A61 VOTE? WELL, OR OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS AN INDIVIDUAL AND EVERYBODY IS WEIGHING OUT THE PROJECT ANYMORE.

WE'RE NOT JUST SOME KIND OF RUBBER STAMP.

I MEAN, EVERYBODY STILL HAS THEIR OPINION ABOUT HOW THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING THE THE PROPOSAL, HOW THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING HOW IT RELATES TO THE CODE, TO THE PLAN, TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

I MEAN, WE'RE JUST NOT ALWAYS GOING TO AGREE.

AND THAT'S OC BECAUSE THAT THAT ALLOWS FOR GOOD DISCUSSION, GOOD INFORMATION.

AS COUNCIL, I PROBABLY MAYBE REACH OUT TO THE PERSON WHO MAYBE VOTED AGAINST AND SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, COULD YOU FILL ME IN? MAYBE THAT WILL HELP YOU AS YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO VOTE.

I MEAN, THEIR JOB IS TO VOTE HOW THEY FEEL.

THEY SHOULD VOTE FOR THE PROJECT AND SEE THAT THAT'S WHERE THAT CONVERSATION TURNS TO, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE VOTING FOR SPECIFIC GROUPS OR ASSOCIATIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE BE SURE THAT THEY ARE VOTING CITYWIDE? NONE BIASED, BUT I WOULD ANSWER THAT, THAT WE'RE HUMANS AND THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN ENSURE THAT BECAUSE IS FLAWED.

SO BUT IF WE THEN STEP OUTSIDE OF THAT, IT WOULD BE THAT SOMEBODY'S JUST INTERPRETING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AND IT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT OR WRONG THAT WE DON'T AGREE WITH STAFF.

BUT IF THE COMMISSIONER IS DOING THEIR JOB, THEY WILL ELUCIDATE WHY THEY'RE VOTING A CERTAIN WAY, PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE VOTING AGAINST A CERTAIN RECOMMENDATION.

I MEAN, IF THEY'RE VOTING FOR A RECOMMENDATION, I MEAN, DO YOU REALLY NEED TO SAY ANYTHING? CLEARLY YOU AGREE WITH WHAT'S THE THINGS THAT ARE.

BUT I MEAN, IF YOU'RE VOTING AGAINST A RECOMMENDATION, I THINK IT'S IT'S IT'S UPON YOU TO SAY WHY.

SO IF THAT HELPS.

BUT I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY TO SAY, HEY, NO ONE'S GOT SOME KIND OF BIAS.

I CAN JUST HOPE THAT THEY DON'T AND CONTINUE TO TO TEACH AND SAY THAT IS NOT WHAT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS BODY IS FOR OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT IT DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO AGREE 100% OF THE TIME.

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COMMISSIONER BIRD, DID YOU HAVE MORE ON THE FLOOR? BECAUSE. NO, THANK YOU.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO I WAS GOING TO ADD JUST A LITTLE BIT TO OUR PAST DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER SMITH, IN PARTICULAR, HOW WE GET THE BELLOWS FROM A PUBLIC HEARING.

I MEAN, THAT'S JUST PART OF IT, RIGHT? AS YOU KNOW. SO I THINK IT'S EVER GOING TO EVENTUALLY BE HERE.

YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS JOB IS DEFINITELY TO SMOOTH AND DIFFUSE BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT EMOTION COMES FROM MISUNDERSTANDING, NOT UNDERSTANDING, FEELING SLIGHTED IN THE PAST, HAVING AN OPINION THAT MIGHT NOT BE TRUE, BUT IN THE END, IF YOU JUST KIND OF HELP EDUCATE EACH TIME, I MEAN, IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP PEOPLE FROM YELLING AT US.

THAT'S NEVER GOING TO GO AWAY.

BUT BUT I THINK THAT'S THAT'S PART OF IT IS TO MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE YELLING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY IS EITHER OUT OF OUR PURVIEW ALTOGETHER. ACTUALLY, MOST OF THE TIME THAT IS, IT MIGHT NOT EVEN BE WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY VOTING ON.

AND THEN YOU JUST TRY TO TELL THEM THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON AND WHY AND THANK YOU.

AND THEN MAYBE TRY TO DIRECT THEM TO SOMEBODY ELSE THAT MAYBE CAN HELP THEM OR THEIR COUNSEL PERSON TO GET THAT HURT.

AND THEN WITH REGARD TO COMMISSIONER PRUITT, YOU MENTIONED LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I MEAN, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT AS AN ISSUE, AS I HAVE TOLD YOU MANY, MANY TIMES.

EVERY PROJECT IS AN INDIVIDUAL PROJECT, RIGHT.

AND IT AND IT AND IT GETS LOOKED AT.

AS SUCH.

AND YES, SOMETIMES THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAYBE IS A REASON THAT MAYBE A PROJECT DOESN'T GO THROUGH BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

IT'S NOT A GOOD FIT, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN ONE IS BETTER THAN ANOTHER.

JUST BECAUSE A PROJECT GOT APPROVED IN ONE AREA.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE, AGAIN, IF WE'RE DOING OUR JOB, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE PICTURE, THE COMP PLAN, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, OUR CODE, WHAT IS THE PROJECT, WHAT WHAT IS THE SPACE, WHAT IS THE SAFETY FACTOR AROUND IT, ALL OF THAT AND HOW IT FITS INTO OUR CITY.

AND IS IT A GOOD IDEA OR NOT? SO THOSE LINE UPS THERE, I BELIEVE IT'S TRUE OUT HERE.

ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING TO REMEMBER? TIM THANK YOU. AND I'LL TRY TO BE REALLY BRIEF BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE GETTING SHORT ON TIME, BUT I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE SENTIMENTS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM VARIOUS MEMBERS THAT THAT PERHAPS AND I THINK MAYBE WE SAW SOME LIVE EXAMPLES THAT I HELPED WITH JUST NOW THAT THE MAYOR AND I IN PARTICULAR ARE COMING FROM P AND Z.

I HONESTLY THINK THAT WAS TREMENDOUSLY HELPFUL.

YOU UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS MUCH BETTER.

AND WHEN YOU SWITCH FROM FROM OVERSIGHT OF POLICY TO IMPLEMENTING POLICY, I THINK THAT IS A CRITICAL ELEMENT THAT UNDERSTANDING THAT WE GOT COMING UP THROUGH THE THE TRENCHES, AS IT WERE.

AND SO IF THERE WAS SOME WAYS THAT WE COULD DO BETTER EDUCATION, OUTREACH AND TRAINING AND I KNOW I SEE THOSE THREE WORDS ALL THE TIME, BUT IF THERE WAS A PLACE WHERE WE HAD A LANDING PAGE WHERE THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT YOU'VE INSERTED HERE, THIS IS THE NUMBER OF STEPS LEFT, SORT OF A ONE PAGER THAT THAT WE CAN HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.

PLACES FOR FEEDBACK WOULD BE COUNCIL STAFF, PLACES WHERE FEEDBACK WOULD BE P AND Z OR NOT, DEPENDING ON THE ISSUE.

AND THOSE WOULD BE MORE LIKE CODE REVISIONS FOR THOSE.

BUT A PLACE WHERE YOU COULD SEE A SORT OF A MAP BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE VISUAL AND SAY, OKAY, WELL THIS IS THIS KIND OF ISSUE INSERT HERE.

THIS IS THIS IS WHY I YELL AT AND BECOME EDUCATED ABOUT THE PROCESS.

AND HOPEFULLY MAYBE SOME OF THAT WOULD RELIEVE SOME OF THE TENSION FROM TIMES THAT THEY SHOULD BE YELLING AT US AND NOT YELLING AT YOU, BECAUSE I ABSOLUTELY REMEMBER WHEN THEY WOULD YELL AT ME FROM THE OTHER SIDE.

AND THAT'S I'LL JUST I'LL JUST LEAVE IT THERE.

ANYONE ELSE? THE NOTES COMMENTS CONTRADICT.

YEAH, JUST GO. I THINK THAT THE QUESTION OF DECISION MAKING PROCESSES IS A FAIR ONE.

AND SO I'LL TRY TO GET A QUICK NUTSHELL.

I THINK THE THING THAT IS HARD FOR EITHER A NEW COMMISSION MEMBER OR FOR A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER IS THAT EVERY SINGLE DECISION IS A BALANCING OF CONFLICTING INTERESTS. IT MAY BE VERY OBVIOUS THAT EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM A BALANCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS BALANCING CONFLICTING INTERESTS.

I HAD A CONSTITUENT RIGHT ACROSS THE LINE, NOT A CONSTITUENT.

SO TELL ME ONE TIME, WELL, YOU NEED TO BE VOTING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD EVERY SINGLE TIME.

OKAY. WELL, THE PROJECT MAY NOT AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN QUITE THE WAY THAT THEY THINK IT DOES.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAY NOT SPEAK WITH ONE VOICE.

PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL IS KIND OF KNOWN FOR BEING THE VOICE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT EVERYBODY DISAGREES WITH WHENEVER WE GET DOWN TO BRASS TACKS.

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BUT I THINK IF YOU START WITH THE PREMISE OF IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A BALANCE AND THEN YOU START PUTTING THE INPUTS IN, THAT'S HOW I MAKE MY DECISIONS IS THERE'S NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO WALK AWAY WITH NOT BEING 100% HAPPY WITH EXACTLY HOW IT WENT DOWN.

THE BEST WE CAN HOPE FOR, YOU KNOW, ON THESE KIND OF PROJECTS ARE LIKE THE PROJECT WE HAD PRETTY RECENTLY WHERE EVEN THE NEIGHBORS THAT CAME INTO IT PRETTY AGAINST ANY KIND OF HELP AT ALL, WALKED AWAY FROM THE PROCESS FEELING LIKE THEY HAD HEARD AND LISTENED TO AND ENGAGED ACTIVELY IN THE PROCESS.

AND WE DON'T ALWAYS GET THAT.

WE CAN'T ALWAYS GET THAT KIND OF GOLD STANDARD.

BUT IF PEOPLE KNOW GOING INTO IT THAT WE'RE THERE TO BALANCE THE CONFLICT, WE'RE NOT THERE TO PICK SIDE.

YOUR YOUR PROJECT IS AWFUL AND IT'S GOING TO GET DENIED NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU HOW GOOD YOU MAKE IT OR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ISN'T BEING HEARD.

AND WE'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS PROJECT NO MATTER HOW TERRIBLE IT IS.

IT'S ALWAYS IT'S ALWAYS THAT BALANCE WAS A BACK AND FORTH AND A GIVE AND TAKE.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? THANKS, MATT. I APPRECIATE WHAT MR. DAVIS JUST SAID. I AM THAT NEW MEMBER OF COUNCIL, SO I AM CONSTANTLY HAVING TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS.

AND I ALSO APPRECIATE WHAT MR. BECK SAID. IT'S DIFFICULT FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS NEVER SERVED ON PMC TO COME IN AND DO THIS JOB.

SO I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE AND SAY THANK YOU, THOSE COMMISSIONERS, FOR FOR YOUR FRIENDSHIP.

PLEASE CONTINUE TO CALL ME.

DON'T ASSUME THAT I KNOW I DEPEND ON Y'ALL BECAUSE I APPRECIATE YOUR GOOD, HONEST AND OPEN ADVICE THAT I'VE GOTTEN SO FAR, PARTICULARLY CHAIR SO THANK YOU ALL.

PLEASE CONTINUE TO CALL ME AS THE NEW MEMBER OF COUNCIL SO I CAN MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS.

YOU BET. GOOD.

ANYONE ELSE? GREAT.

YES. THANK YOU. YEAH.

I JUST WANT TO ADD THE COMMENT.

THERE IS A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AS FAR AS PROJECTS GO.

WE HEAR THEM FOR A LONG TIME, SOMETIMES HOURS LONG IN A MEETING.

AND YOU AS COUNCIL PEOPLE, YOUR AGENDAS ARE HUGE, YOUR MEETINGS ARE SO LONG AND SOMETIMES THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS COME BEFORE YOU.

IT IT'S SO LATE IN YOUR DAY ALREADY.

YOUR BRAIN, I ALREADY KNOW, IS MOVED BY THEM.

AND I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU REACH OUT.

YOU ALL HAVE AN APPOINTED PERSON ON THIS BODY.

REACH OUT AND JUST GET THE HIGHLIGHTS DIRECTLY FROM YOUR APPOINTEES.

I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS BECAUSE WE REALLY GET INTO THE WEEDS AND WE'RE NOT EXHAUSTED.

SOMETIMES WE ARE DEPENDING ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE'RE JUST NOT DEALING WITH THE AMOUNT OF DECISIONS THAT YOU ALL ARE ON A GIVEN MEETING DAY.

BUT WE CAN HELP YOU WITH GIVING YOU THE HIGH LEVEL DISCUSSION TOPICS.

I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO COME TO FANCY MEETINGS OR WATCH P AND Z MEETINGS.

I MEAN, I KNOW YOU DON'T. I MEAN, SOMETIMES MAYBE, BUT NOT EVERY TIME.

BUT REACH OUT TO YOUR POINT.

I MEAN, YOU CAN GET QUICK HIGHLIGHTS.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. THIS WAS THE DISCUSSION.

THIS WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERN.

THIS IS HOW WE GOT YELLED AT.

THIS IS WHAT I MEAN, ALL OF THAT.

THIS IS WHY WE CAME THE DECISION.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE KNOWLEDGE BASE OF THAT APPLICATION.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WOULD JUST LOVE EVERYBODY TO REMEMBER FROM P AND Z AND COUNCIL IS WHEN IT COMES TO A ZONING CHANGE.

EVERY APPLICANT IS GOING TO PUT TOGETHER THIS FANCY PICTURE OF THEIR PROJECT AND HOW BEAUTIFUL IT IS AND HOW BEAUTIFUL IT LOOKS AND HOW BEAUTIFUL THEIR DEVELOPMENT IN SAN ANTONIO IS. AND IT'S GOING TO BE JUST THAT.

AND NO ZONING CHANGES TIED TO A PROJECT EVER.

NEVER, EVER. AND SO YOU JUST HAVE TO GET THAT OUT OF YOUR BRAIN.

IT'S LIKE, FORGET THE PRETTY PICTURES, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE EVERY TIME.

I WISH. I WISH THEY WEREN'T BECAUSE WE GET SO IN THE WEEDS ABOUT WHAT THE PROJECT IS AND WE COMPLETELY FORGET WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY VOTING ON.

AND JUST PLEASE TAKE THAT AWAY FROM HERE AND SHARE IT WITH YOUR FUTURE COUNCIL AND COMMISSIONERS THAT THAT PARTICULAR THING.

BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY WILL PRINT THE PRETTIEST PICTURE AND IT JUST GETS BETTER AS TECHNOLOGY GETS BETTER.

AND ALL THOSE PICTURES ARE JUST SO BEAUTIFUL IN THE AERIAL SHOTS AND ALL OF THAT.

I MEAN, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YEAH, NO, THAT'S THAT'S HUGE TO POINT THAT OUT.

SO I DO APPRECIATE YOU BECAUSE THAT IS THAT IS CRITICAL THAT IT'S NOT TIED TO WHAT THEY PROPOSE.

RIGHT. AND IT'S NOT A SECRET THAT THAT FOR PLEX IS NOT TIED TO ANYTHING.

IT CAN BE ANYTHING ANYTHING IN THAT COLUMN THAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT.

IT COULD BE ANY OF THOSE IT'S NOT TIED TO ANYTHING.

SO YOU DO THAT AT YOUR AT YOUR OWN RISK EVALUATING.

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IT COMES UP A TON. WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE NOW AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL, THAT'S THAT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE'RE CHARGED WITH MAKING THAT DECISION.

RIGHT. WE WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THINGS THAT AREN'T ON THE P AND Z TABLE TO CONSIDER.

BUT YEAH, THAT THAT IS A THAT IS A SPECTACULAR POINT THAT IF IT'S IT COULD BE ANYTHING THAT FOLLOWS IN THAT COLUMN AND WHAT THEY REPRESENT IT TO BE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONCE IT'S PASSED.

AND OBVIOUSLY THOSE RESTRICTIONS WE HAVE ARE GETTING DILUTED BY THE DAY AND EXPECT A NEW FRESH BATCH OF DILUTION TO COME DOWN IN 2023.

BUT BUT THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

SO THANK YOU FOR FOR RAISING THAT.

AND I DO WANT TO TOUCH ON ANOTHER THING YOU SAID, BECAUSE I DO GET A LOT OF VALUE IN WATCHING THE P&G MEETINGS AFTER THE FACT, YOU KNOW, AND SO I'LL SAY IT NOW.

I'LL SAY IT LATER. I DO APPRECIATE EVERY MOMENT THAT P AND Z SPENDS.

THERE ARE SOME LONG DAYS, LOTS OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

AND YES, IT GIVES ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH, KIND OF HEAR THE DISCUSSION HERE TO DELIBERATION, HEAR THE PEOPLE THAT SPEAK, BECAUSE NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, I'M PROBABLY NOT THAT HIGH, BUT I'D SAY AT LEAST FOUR OUT OF TEN, SOMEONE THAT SPOKE AT A MEETING IS GOING TO CHASE THAT WITH AN EMAIL.

SO I HAVE A KIND OF UNDERSTANDING WHEN I GET THAT EMAIL OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.

SO THE DELIBERATIONS AND THE DISCUSSIONS AND THE WORK SESSIONS I'LL HAVE ARE INVALUABLE FOR ME TO GO BACK AND WATCH.

I SPEED YOU UP TO ABOUT 1.5.

THAT'S WHERE YOU MAKE A GREAT TIP ABOUT THAT GREAT COMFORT. WHAT'S WELL, AND I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION ON NOT PLACING ZONING AND RESTRICTIONS.

THAT'S NOT HOW IT USED TO BE.

I MEAN, WITH THE NEW CODE, WHICH IS NOW TWO OR THREE YEARS OLD, WHICH WITH THE PANDEMIC AND SO FORTH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN SLOW TO KIND OF TO EVOLVE.

BUT YOU USED TO COULD DO THAT.

NOW, I KNOW THAT LEGAL HAS HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT IN THE PAST.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS NOW.

SO THE THING I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALLY GET IS WHEN WE'RE JUST DOING THIS, BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE'RE JUST DOING STRAIGHT ZONING CASES NOW, UNLESS IT'S A PD WHERE THEY DEFINE EXACTLY HOW IT'S GOING TO BE LAID OUT, THE TIME FRAME OF BASICALLY IT MAY BE LAID OUT SOME OF THE SPECIFICS ABOUT THE PROJECT AS FAR AS LANDSCAPE PARKING, ARCHITECTURE, ALL THESE THINGS, IT'S A STRAIGHT REZONING CASE.

WELL, STRAIGHT REZONING CASE MEANS ANYTHING IN THAT USE TABLE IS FAIR GAME FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

SO THAT IS A THAT IS A SEA CHANGE FROM THE WAY IT USED TO BE.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM SOMETIMES WITH THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE WE'RE IN IT EVERY DAY.

WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT EVERY DAY AND THE CODE CHANGES AND ALL THAT.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THE COMMUNITY IN THE PAST FOR A LONG TIME REALIZED WHEN THEY SHOW THOSE PRETTY PICTURES, WHEN THEY SHOW THAT SITE PLAN, COUNCIL OR PNC CAN SAY, HEY, IF THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE REPRESENTING, LET'S MEMORIALIZE IT.

LET'S RESTRICT IT SO THAT THE COMMUNITY KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GETTING BASED UPON WHAT YOU TOLD THEM.

SO THAT IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE CRITICAL PART THAT PEOPLE NEED TO CONTINUE TO UNDERSTAND AND BE EDUCATED ON IT.

YEAH, I WANT TO PUT A MULTIFAMILY THERE, BUT WHAT CAN ALSO GO THERE IS A MYRIAD OF ANOTHER TEN OR A DOZEN OR TWO DOZEN USES.

AND SO THE PLAN TO.

THAT IS, I GUESS, FROM WHAT I CAN GATHER, USED TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THOSE QUOTE UNQUOTE OVERLAY DISTRICTS.

AND THAT'S WE USED TO HATE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

NOW, FOR SOME REASON THEY'VE COME BACK.

SO IT'S A GOOD POINT.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THOSE PEOPLE BRING ALL THOSE PRETTY PICTURES UP THERE AND ALL THAT, BUT IT'S TO TRY TO GET SOME KIND OF INFLUENCE, BUT IN NO WAY.

AND THE REASON WE HAD OVERLAYS IS BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

AND I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE IT HAPPENED.

IT HAPPENED AT THE CORNER OF CARROLL BOULEVARD AND EAGLE DRIVE WHERE THERE WAS GOING TO BE A NICE RETAIL CENTER THERE.

AND THAT WAS THE PRETTY PICTURE.

THAT WAS THE THING THAT WAS GOING TO BE THERE.

DIDN'T PUT ANY RESTRICTIONS ON IT.

YOU GET A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER, NOTHING AGAINST MULTIFAMILY.

I'M JUST SAYING NOBODY KNEW THAT'S WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE, BUT IT WAS A RESTRICTION.

IT WASN'T USED, IT WAS ALLOWED.

SO I HAVE A HUNCH UNLESS WE DO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND CONTINUE TO STAY ON, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE BECAUSE ONCE PEOPLE JUST START SAYING, HEY, I WANT TWO STRAIGHT ZONING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO PUT THERE.

WHAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS WE ASK.

WHAT DO YOU PUT IN THERE? WHAT DO YOU PUT IN THERE? YEAH. SO AND THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL, DOES THAT MEAN TO COME TO A PLANNING TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT CLASSIFICATION.

SO IT'S SORT OF A IT'S, IT'S A CATCH 22.

IT'S A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD. NO, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNCILOR WHAT'S BROUGHT UP SOME OF

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I THINK THAT, IF ANYTHING, A BIG PAT ON THE BACK OF TINA AND SCOTT AND THE REST OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT STAFF, WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB OF WORKING WITH APPLICANTS IN BETWEEN PLANNING AND ZONING AND COUNCIL.

YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PROJECT THAT WAS OFF OF JIM CHRYSTAL AND ALL THAT, THE 30 ACRES ON THE SOUTH END THAT WAS GOING TO BE DEDICATED TO PARKS.

THEY WANT TO DO THAT. THEY'RE GOING TO SELL IT OFF AND THE REST WAS GOING TO BE LIGHT.

INDUSTRIAL AND RANCH VIEW ESTATES ON THE SOUTH SIDE WAS KIND OF HIM AND HAWING BACK AND FORTH.

I WANTED. I VOTED FOR IT TO GO STRAIGHT ZONING.

I KNOW THAT THAT CHARLES VOTED AGAINST IT, WANTED TO BE A PD.

THEY WALKED AWAY. I THINK IT WAS DENIAL EVEN.

BUT THEY WALKED AWAY BEFORE THE COUNCIL.

THEY CAME TO COUNCIL AS A PD, AND THAT'S A REALLY MICRO, REALLY SMALL VIEW OF WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN US AND COUNCIL AND COLLEAGUES.

BACK TO THE POINT OF THIS QUESTION NUMBER FOUR, IS THERE A DIRECTION THE COMMISSION NEEDS FROM COUNCIL? AND THAT IS COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR POINTS.

YOU KNOW, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP ALREADY.

BUT SPECIFICALLY, AND I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW, MUCH LIKE WHAT COMMISSIONER PRUITT SAID OF CAN WE INCLUDE ON THE NOTIFICATION CARDS, HERE'S YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER, HERE'S YOU CAN CONTACT IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS.

CAN WE INCLUDE IN THE AGENDA NOTICES FIRST AND SECOND MOTION FOR THE APPROVALS AND BEING ABLE TO DO THAT? ENCOURAGING COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A FULL ON, CALL US AND HAVE A CONVERSATION, BUT A AN EMAIL SOMETHING WHERE YOU SEE ON THERE, IT'S NOTICED IN YOUR AGENDA. NOW IT WAS APPROVED FOR THREE, IT WAS APPROVED FOR TWO.

IT WAS DENIED SIX, ZERO, WHATEVER IT IS.

GETTING AN EMAIL SAYING, HEY, I SAW THIS WENT THROUGH LIKE THAT.

ANY FEEDBACK, ANY INPUT, AND THAT COMING SPECIFICALLY FROM THE FIRST AND SECOND MOTION OR THAT PERSON OR THOSE PEOPLE ARE MOTIONING FOR THE MOST PART, ARE THE ONES WHO ARE MOST HEAVILY INVOLVED IN DISCUSSION FOR THE DAIS, THE P AND Z.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF I COULD, FROM A COMMISSIONER STANDPOINT, HEAVILY ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL.

CHRIS. I LOVE YOU, BUDDY.

YOU POINTED ME FIVE YEARS AGO.

WE'VE HAD FIVE OR SIX CONVERSATIONS.

ONE YEAR, ONE A YEAR.

THAT'S ALL WE NEED. YEAH. YEAH.

AND I'VE ALWAYS.

I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN YOU'VE BEEN LIKE THAT, AND I APPRECIATE IT.

I AM WILLING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ANY COUNCILMEMBER AT ANY TIME ABOUT WHAT OUR THOUGHTS WERE ON THERE AND OUTSIDE OF CHRIS AND THEN JERROD BEING MY OTHER BIO, THE PERSON WHO'S APPOINTED ME, THAT'S THAT'S BEEN SOMEWHAT OF THE LIMITATION TO THE CONFERENCE THAT O'BRIEN AND I HAVE TALKED ONCE OR SO.

JESSE I'VE TALKED A LOT SO BRIAN AND I TALKED TO ONCE.

BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN THE HAVEN'T HAVEN'T HAD A HAVEN'T HAVEN'T MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMISSIONERS FROM COUNCIL, LIKE MY CHAIR SAID, WOULD WOULD REALLY HELP YOU GUYS WHEN IT GETS TO YOUR JOB.

SO THAT DIRECTION WOULD BE HELPFUL.

GREAT. NORA I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

AND WE HAD AND I ASKED FOR THE SAME THING.

SO WE'RE TWINS LIKE ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER AND DANNY DEVITO, WHO YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF THAT, I ASKED FOR THAT TO BE KIND OF CAPTURED ON THE ORDINANCES THAT WE PASSED.

RIGHT. BUT WHOSE NAME? BECAUSE IT WAS JUST IMPOSSIBLE TO GO BACK AND LOOK WHO WAS ON COUNCIL BACK THEN, WHERE DID THEY FALL, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY NEAT.

I THINK WE HAVE A TEMPLATE FOR THAT.

AND I ASKED FOR HYPERLINKS TO THE VIDEOS AS WELL TO KIND OF DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT YOU HAVE AN EVEN BETTER IDEA THAT JUST KIND OF CAPTURE THAT THOSE NAMES AND THEN WE CAN REACH OUT AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

SO REALLY GOOD NOT TO TAKE I'M SORRY, THE MOST TIMES WHENEVER THOSE MOTIONS REMAIN, ESPECIALLY ON ON VERY HIGHLY CONTENTIOUS CONVERSATIONS, YOU GUYS KNOW THIS FROM BEING ON P AND Z AND BACK IN HUDSPETH THAT.

THE PERSON WHO'S MOTIONING AND SECONDING IS USUALLY SAYING A FEW THINGS BEFORE AND SUMMARIZING THEIR POINT, GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN, WHICH IS USUALLY A PRETTY GOOD SUMMATION OF WHAT JUST HAPPENED IN THE SOMETIMES TWO HOUR PUBLIC HEARING THAT DEPENDING UPON IF IT'S IF IT'S TIM SMITH DOING IT, THEN IT'S A FIVE MINUTE CONVERSATION.

IF IT'S JASON COLE, IT'S TWO SECOND CONVERSATION.

BUT EITHER WAY, THE I'M JUST LONG WINDED, BUT HAVING SOMETHING THERE.

YEAH, NO, THAT'S GOOD.

ANYTHING FROM STAFF ON THE I THINK IT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION THE PD CONVERSATION VERSUS STRAIGHT ZONING KIND OF WHERE WE ARE PREFERENCES OR ANYTHING THERE.

SO IN THE INTEREST, IT'S USUALLY IN THE INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE HAVE THIS EVENING REGARDING THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.

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BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, IF YOU HAVEN'T AND YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR PACKET.

WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS ONE ON ONE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE LEADING UP TO THE MEETING THIS EVENING.

GREAT. YES.

JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THE NOTIFICATION SUGGESTION.

I WOULD NOT WANT A COUNCIL PERSON ON THE NOTIFICATION FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND THIS IS WHY THEY WILL HAVE NO INFORMATION ON THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR THAT.

BUT IF IT'S COMING TO US, IT IS SO FAR REMOVED FROM FROM THEM THAT THEY ARE GOING TO GET A CALL FROM SOMEBODY OR AN EMAIL FROM SOMEBODY AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ZERO IDEA OF WHAT THAT PROJECT IS ABOUT.

SO I GUESS NOTIFICATIONS DO GO OUT FOR A COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CASE.

SO MAYBE THERE IT WOULD BE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GETS COMPLICATED FOR STAFF, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT IS THAT COUNCIL IS GOING TO GET QUESTIONS AND THEY'RE GOING TO LIKE, WHAT IS THIS? AND THEY MAY COME TO US AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS YET EITHER BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HEAR IT YET.

SO BUT THE IDEA FOR THE NAMES ON THE FIRST AND SECOND THAT WOULD BE LISTED ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA AS WE LIST THE VOTE, 6070, WHATEVER IT IS, SIX ONE THEN DECIDED THE RECOMMENDATION IS THE FIRST AND SECOND ARE THOSE ARE THE CONTACT POINTS BECAUSE THE COUNCIL AGENDA COMES OUT AT. WE DON'T GET THE VOTES USUALLY TILL THAT FOLLOWING WEEK, BUT WE CAN GET IT OUT AND THE AGENDA CAN SHOW IN TIME FOR THAT COUNCIL MEMBER IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS TO CONTACT THE FIRST OR SECOND. BUT I HEAR YOUR POINT ABOUT NAMES ON THE POSTCARDS THAT GO OUT TO NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MAY NOT BE AS WELL-VERSED IN THAT ITEM YET, BUT WE CAN PUT ON THERE IN COUNCIL DISTRICT OR SOMETHING.

IT'S IN THIS DISTRICT. I DON'T KNOW.

JUST SO THEY KNOW WHOSE DISTRICT IT IS OR WHATEVER AT LARGE OR WHAT.

OKAY, VERY GOOD.

SO, COUNCILMAN DAVIS, REALLY QUICK, SOMETHING I'VE SEEN IN OTHER CITIES.

WE HAVE FEWER SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS THAN A LOT OF CITIES.

AND SO IT'S ALWAYS KIND OF AN INTERESTING WHEN YOU'RE LISTING YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THREE AT-LARGE MEMBERS THAT EQUALLY REPRESENT THE SAME VOTE ON A PARTICULAR AREA.

BUT FOR THE JOB OF BEING SINGLE MEMBER, REPRESENTING A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME GEOGRAPHIC RESPONSIBILITIES, SOME CONSTITUENT OUTREACH AND COMMUNICATION RESPONSIBILITIES.

SOMETHING I'VE SEEN IN OTHER CITIES IS FOR THESE KIND OF GEOGRAPHIC THINGS THAT AREN'T CITYWIDE.

IT'LL SAY THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED IN CITY COUNCIL MEMBER DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT TWO, DISTRICT THREE ON THE AGENDA.

I'M NOT SAYING LET'S JUST GO GO FORWARD AND DO THAT.

AND THAT MIGHT BE AN IDEA WORTH EVALUATING, WHETHER WE LIST WHERE A GEOGRAPHIC PROJECT IS, WHETHER IT'S A ZONING CASE OR WHATEVER, THAT THIS THIS HAPPENS IN COUNCIL MEMBER DISTRICT, WHATEVER.

SOME CITIES EVEN GO SO FAR AS TO LIST THAT IN THEIR POLICE REPORTS.

I'M NOT ASKING FOR THAT.

BUT ANYWAY, JUST MAKING PEOPLE AWARE OF WHO REPRESENT THE WHO REPRESENTS THEM ON THE COUNCIL AT EVERY TURN, I THINK IT CAN'T BE A BAD THING.

ANYTHING ELSE WE'RE GOING TO MAKE? WE'RE GOING TO BE GREAT.

THANK YOU. GREAT DISCUSSION.

[B. Receive a report and hold a discussion regarding implementing the Denton 2040 Comprehensive Plan. [Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

GOOD AFTERNOON. LISA GURSKY, ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR.

I WILL KEEP THIS BRIEF BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE ANOTHER PLACE TO BE AT 2:00 AND YOU PROBABLY WANT A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK IN BETWEEN.

SO WE WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY WITH BOTH BONNIE TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR DENTON 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AS YOU REMEMBER, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE ADOPTION EARLIER THIS YEAR, THERE IS AN EXTENSIVE LIST.

I THINK IT TAKES UP ABOUT 50 PAGES OF THE PLAN THAT OUTLINES 271 ACTION.

ITEMS AND THOSE COME FROM A VARIETY OF CATEGORIES, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN.

AND THEY'RE ALL PRIORITIZED BY THEIR TIME FRAME, SHORT, MIDTERM OR LONG TERM.

SO JUST TO KEEP THAT FRESH IN YOUR MINDS, JUST THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THAT TABLE IS FORMATTED.

SO IF YOU DO NEED TO REFER TO IT, IT WILL GIVE YOU CROSS REFERENCES TO ALL THE OTHER APPLICABLE SECTIONS OF THE PLAN.

IT WILL SPELL OUT WHICH CITY DEPARTMENTS ARE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT ACTION, AS WELL AS WHAT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WOULD PLAY A ROLE IN THAT DECISION.

AND WE WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT STAFF IS CURRENTLY WORKING OR PLANNING STAFF IS WORKING WITH OUR STRATEGIC SERVICES OFFICER TO CREATE A DASHBOARD THAT WILL TRACK THE PROGRESS ON THESE 271 ITEMS. SO THAT WOULD BE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE SO THAT ANYONE CAN KEEP TRACK OF WHAT ACTIONS ARE CURRENTLY ONGOING THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS DOCUMENT.

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WE ALSO WANTED TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS HOW IMPLEMENTATION IS NOT JUST STANDALONE PROJECTS LIKE AREA PLANS AND THINGS THAT ARE STAFF INITIATED.

ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING TODAY DO HELP CONTRIBUTE TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN'S VISION FOR THE CITY.

SO WE JUST WANTED TO TIE THAT BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WE DO HAVE ONE OF OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL THAT YOU'LL SEE STAFF ANALYZE AND PRESENT TO YOU ON EVERY ZONING ISSUE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

EVEN WITH OUR PLANTS, WE TOUCH ON THIS TO SHOW YOU HOW IT ALIGNS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND THAT GOES WELL BEYOND JUST THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

AS YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SCREEN, THAT CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL SPECIFICALLY SPEAKS TO.

WE CAN STILL APPROVE THINGS IF THEY ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COVERS A WIDE BREADTH OF TOPICS.

SO IT MAY BE CONTRIBUTING TO HOUSING GOALS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOALS, LAND PRESERVATION, URBAN DESIGN, AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER THINGS.

SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE OFTEN FOCUS ON THAT FUTURE LAND USE MAP BECAUSE IT'S AN EASY THING TO REFERENCE AND TO SAY, YES, THIS QUICKLY ALIGNS WITH IT.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS IN THE BACKGROUND THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE ANALYZE THOSE REQUESTS.

AND THEN JUST BRIEFLY TO TO WRAP UP, WE WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THE BIG TICKET ITEMS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT YOU'LL SEE COMING FORWARD IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS THAT DO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS IMPLEMENTATION AS WELL.

SO WITH AREA PLANS, AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE DID PRIORITIZE EARLIER THIS YEAR THE TOP THREE.

THAT NORTHEAST AREA PLAN, WE ARE CURRENTLY NEGOTIATING THAT SCOPE OF SERVICE WITH A CONSULTANT FOR THE PLAN AND WE'RE EXPECTING THAT CONTRACT TO BE IN COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER.

THE SOUTHEAST DENTON AREA PLAN, WE ARE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND PACE WITH THE NORTHEAST AREA PLAN JUST TO KEEP THOSE MOVING AT A DIFFERENT PACE AND NOT HAVE THEM ALL COMING TO YOU AT THE SAME TIME. BUT THAT WAS ALSO MOVING RIGHT ALONG WHERE IN THE CONSULTANT SELECTION PROCESS.

SO WE'LL BE DOING INTERVIEWS FOR THOSE VERY SOON AND THEN WE HOPE IN THE FOLLOWING MONTH, BY END OF DECEMBER, IF NOT IN EARLY JANUARY, TO HAVE THAT CONTRACT TO COUNCIL.

AND THEN THE THIRD OF THOSE PLANS IS THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

AS I SAID, WE ARE PACING THOSE TO KEEP THEM ALL A LITTLE BIT SEPARATED.

SO THAT ONE'S THE THIRD THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE RFP PROCESS.

SO WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THAT PUBLISHED EITHER BY THE END OF THIS MONTH OR EARLY NOVEMBER SO THAT WE CAN THEN START THE SELECTION PROCESS AS WELL.

OTHER THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON VISION ZERO, AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, IF YOU'VE SEEN PRESENTATIONS FROM TAM IN THE PAST ON THAT PHASE ONE IS ALMOST COMPLETED.

WE EXPECT TO HAVE THAT FINAL DOCUMENT HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF NOVEMBER AND THEN EARLY NEXT YEAR.

WE'RE LOOKING TO KICK OFF PHASE TWO OF THAT TO KEEP THAT MOVING FORWARD AS WELL.

AND THEN ONGOING, AS WE'VE REFERENCED HERE TODAY, ARE THOSE DDC AMENDMENTS.

OBVIOUSLY, OUR CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE IS VERY BUSY.

YOU ALL CAN ATTEST TO THE NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE COMING BEFORE YOU.

ALL THAT LIST IS VERY LONG AND WE'LL BE REPRIORITIZING THAT AGAIN SOON TO FIGURE OUT THE NEXT BATCH OF AMENDMENTS TO WORK ON.

BUT AS WE REFERENCED, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL RECENTLY ADOPTED CODE AMENDMENTS AND THEN THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT ARE ACTUALLY ON THE COUNCIL'S AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING THAT ARE IN THAT PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.

AND SO WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO DO BEFORE WE WRAP UP THE MEETING TODAY SO YOU ALL CAN MOVE ON TO YOUR YOUR NEXT AGENDA CONFERENCE FOR DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST THOUGHT I'D ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE HAD ACTUALLY A NUMBER OF DELIVERABLES ON THIS ALREADY, BUT THERE'S SORT OF NOT IN THIS THIS SORT OF LIST OF OF UPCOMING PRIORITIES IS WE ADDED THAT PGP COMPONENT TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IS NEW.

AND SO IT'S NOT A TRADITIONAL THING THAT WE TOUCHSTONE ALL THE TIME AS WE AS WE UPDATE COUNCIL AND PLANNING AND ZONING ABOUT WHERE DO WE STAND ON HISTORICAL AND GREENSPACE PRESERVATION.

BUT I KNOW THAT MICHAEL AND KAT HAVE BEEN ACTIVE IN THOSE AREAS SO THAT THERE'S DEVELOPMENTS, AND I KNOW THAT EACH ONE OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS WILL IMPACT THE SAPS, THE VISION ZERO, THE DDC CODE AMENDMENTS.

WE'LL SEE THAT IT WILL ALL INTERTWINE.

SO I WAS WONDERING. IF WE COULD, AT SOME POINT, AS YOU'RE UPDATING US, INCLUDE THAT IN THOSE MATRICES, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE CROSS-CUTTING ACROSS ALL THESE THESE EARLY PRIORITIES THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE FOCUSING ON.

SURE. JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR TIME WITH THE PREFERRED LINE PRESERVATION PLAN.

OKAY. YES. SO WE ARE MAKING AN EFFORT, AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE IT REFLECTED IN OUR STAFF REPORT TO DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS TO MAKE SURE WE TOUCH ON THAT IN THE ANALYSIS.

IF THERE IS ANY IMPACT TO THAT PLAN AND WHAT THAT MIGHT BE.

BUT CERTAINLY WITH THE AREA PLAN, THAT WILL BE A COMPONENT OF THE ANALYSIS AND THOSE THAT YOU'LL SEE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE? CUSTOMER DAVIS FOR THE CRC, AS I MENTIONED, COMPETING INTERESTS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, IT REALLY CAN BE VERY TIME CONSUMING AND IT'S REALLY BEST

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BUT IT'S REALLY NOT BEST DONE AT THE DAIS FOR THE FIRST TIME WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER AND THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S REALLY BEST LOOKED AT IN A COMPREHENSIVE WAY.

SO I JUST WANT TO PUBLICLY APPRECIATE STAFF'S TIME BECAUSE THAT IS A TIME CONSUMING COMMITTEE WE PARTICIPATE IN.

AND THEN ALSO MY FELLOW COMMITTEE MEMBERS TIME EVERY OTHER MONDAY, 2 HOURS, WE JUST NERD OUT ON PLANNING AND I THINK WE DO A GOOD JOB AT CHEWING INTO SOME OF THESE ISSUES, MAYBE EVEN MORE THAN WE NEED TO SOMETIMES.

BUT THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE GETTING THEM OUT AND REALLY, REALLY PUTTING IN THE WORK.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE THAT IN DENTON, THAT WE HAVE THAT TO GROW WITH US AND TO HELP US WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS BEFORE THEY HIT AN AGENDA OR BEFORE IT GETS SUPER CONTENTIOUS.

AND IT'S A DEVELOPER VERSUS A NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERYBODY AT EACH OTHER'S THROATS AND ALL THAT POLITICAL STUFF.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? AND COMMISSIONERS NEED TO RESPOND.

SO MY ONLY REQUEST ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I THINK BECAUSE I WAS ASKED THIS QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.

PERCENTAGE OF CITY OF DENTON BOUNDARIES THAT IS DEVELOPED.

AND SO MAYBE THAT CAN KIND OF LEAD IT KIND OF AS A FACT, KIND OF AS THE AS WE GROW ON THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO KEEP THAT IN PERSPECTIVE.

THAT'D BE HELPFUL FOR ME.

AND THEN ALSO TO GO WITH THAT, I THINK THE AVERAGE AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HOW YOU BACK INTO THIS, IF IT'S EASILY DONE, THE AVERAGE PERCENTAGE OF TREED LOTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, RIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK IF WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THAT, IT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW KIND OF, HEY, THIS BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING JUST OUTSIDE LOOKING IN THE WIDE OPEN SPACES THAT ARE EASY TO DEVELOP HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED AND SO OR ARE NOT CLOSE TO THE CITY.

AND SO I THINK THOSE INFILL DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS DO INFILL.

AND SO UNDERSTANDING THAT PERCENTAGE OF WHAT'S OUT THERE, IS IT IS IT ABOVE AVERAGE? WELL, IT WILL HELP ME KIND OF MAKE DECISIONS VISIONARY KIND OF ON THAT ON THAT COMPREHENSIVE LEVEL AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE.

I KNOW WE'VE GROWN OUR OVERALL TREE CANOPY.

WANT TO CONTINUE THAT THAT TREND FOR SURE, BUT KIND OF UNDERSTANDING BETTER HOW TO ACHIEVE THAT.

SO THOSE ARE JUST TWO DATA POINTS THAT WOULD HELP ME KIND OF KEEP THE LARGER PICTURE IN FOCUS.

SO I THINK PARKS AND RECREATION IS WORKING ON THE SCOPE FOR GETTING IT OUT TO ACTUALLY DO A TREE COUNT ACROSS THE CITY. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WILL HELP US BECAUSE IT'LL SHOW TREE AND TREE LOTS AND THEN ANY OTHER AREAS THAT SHOULD SHOW US WHERE WE'RE A DEFICIT FOR HELPING WITH SHADE, HELPING OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT.

SO THAT'S GOOD.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? I KNOW WE JUST RECENTLY HAD A PARKS BOARD, SAW IT AND THEY CAME TO COUNCIL AND GOT APPROVED.

BUT THE IMPACT FEE FOR PARKS.

RIGHT. AND I GUESS THAT WAS JIM HENSON LIKE THAT IN THAT AREA.

I'VE SAID IT BEFORE.

I SAID I THINK I SAID THE LAST LAST PLANNED ZONING MEETING LAST WEEK.

I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE FOR US WITH IMPLEMENTATION, IMPLEMENTING THE 2040 PLAN, WE DO ONGOING FREQUENT REVIEWS OF OUR IMPACT FEES THAT WE ARE DOING BECAUSE I THINK THE ONLY WAY WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECOME A REALITY IS THAT WE ARE CONSTANTLY REVIEWING WHAT THOSE IMPACT FEES THAT WE'RE LEVYING ARE.

THAT FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T KNOW SHOULD BE A SOFT THAT THAT THAT PARK IMPACT FEE HADN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE 92.

RIGHT. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OFFSET OF LAND AND DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT WAS 30 YEARS DETRIMENTAL.

EXTREMELY DETRIMENTAL. THE REASON WHY WE HAD WE HAD INFILL LAND LIKE THE EVERS TRACK THAT WE COULDN'T PURCHASE BECAUSE THEY WANTED $7 MILLION.

BUT THE DOLLARS WE'RE COLLECTING FROM THOSE DEVELOPMENTS AROUND THAT AREA WEREN'T EVEN CLOSE.

BE ABLE TO DO IT. AND NOW GARY PARK IS GOING TO CALL ME LATER AND TELL ME THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT WILL.

BUT BUT BUT AN ONGOING AND ONGOING REVIEW OF IMPACT FEES.

I KNOW IT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE TO DO IT.

WE HAVE TO. AND AND SPEAKING OF THAT, DAVE IS GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE GETTING READY.

IT'S GREAT NEWS FOR EVERYONE.

OKAY. WE ARE ABOUT TO START OUR MONTHLY IMPACT FEE AND WASTEWATER AND WATER IMPACT FEES, AND THE TAG SERVES AS THE CONSTRUCTION COMMITTEE ON BERTHA.

SO THOSE WILL START UP AS SOON AS THIS MONTH.

THE FIRST ROADWAY CONVERSATION INTO WATER, I KNOW WE'RE SEEING WITH CRC, BUT IT'S MORE ABOUT AS IT CONTINUES THAT WE CONTINUE. I AGREE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, DAVID. AND THE CONTACT YOUR TEAM MEMBER.

THAT'S FIRST CLASS AT CITY.

NO, NO, NO.

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AND SO IN POSING FOR ME, I'LL JUST SAY GREAT, VERY PRODUCTIVE COUPLE OF HOURS AND REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE IDEAS AND THOUGHTS AND AND KIND OF SHARING OF INFORMATION.

IT'S HELPFUL.

AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO THIS AT A REGULAR SEGMENT.

AND THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR YOUR HOURS AND TIME.

I MEAN, I'VE WATCHED THE MEETINGS AND KNOW THE WORK SESSIONS AND KNOW ALL THAT YOU DO TO KIND OF ARRIVE AT WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO BE THE BEST DECISION AND HEAR OUR PUBLIC AND KIND OF FILTER THOSE THINGS DOWN.

AND IT REALLY HELPS FROM AN EDUCATION STANDPOINT FOR ME TO KIND OF HEAR THOSE THINGS AND HEAR THAT DISCUSSION AND DEBATE AND THEN KIND OF SEE THE OUTCOMES.

AND SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO BE BACK ON YOUR TEAM.

WE SERVE TOGETHER ON PMC, SO IT'S GOOD WE'RE GETTING THE BAND BACK TOGETHER, SO GO RIGHT HERE AND SAY THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORTS AND KNOWLEDGE AND THIS KIND OF THING AND DISCUSSION IS, I THINK, SUPER IMPORTANT BETWEEN OUR.

OUR BOARDS BECAUSE WE WORK SO CLOSELY WITH THESE PROJECTS.

SO YEAH, REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION.

REALLY GOOD TO BE HERE.

I DID HAVE ANOTHER THOUGHT THAT IS JUST LIKE SO IF IT COMES OFF ALL INTERRUPTIONS.

ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR THOUGHTS DISCUSSION.

YEAH, NO. AND THANK YOU FOR STAFF AND THANK YOU TO STAFF.

AND SO I WILL.

WELL, I'LL LET YOU CONCLUDE AND THEN I'LL COMMISSIONERS, WE'LL SEE YOU AT A MEETING NEXT WEEK.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

I WILL CLOSE THIS AT 1:28 P.M..

OKAY. AND LIKEWISE, THIS 128 HOUR CONCLUDES THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND WILL RECONVENE AND COUNCIL CHAMBERS ARE NOW IN WORK SESSION ROOM 2:00.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.