Oct 18, 2022 City Council on 2022-10-18 2:00 PM

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GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

[WORK SESSION]

IT IS TWO OH 1:00 PM.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

AND THE FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS OUR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HAVE FOUR.

THEY'RE ALL SORT OF JUST GENERAL QUESTIONS.

I DON'T THINK THEY'RE DEAL BREAKERS.

Z, COOPER CREEK ITEM.

I JUST WANT TO FIND OUT, IS THAT INVOLVING CEMENT CANNIBALIZATION OR SOMETHING ELSE? COOPER CREEK RENOVATIONS IN AVONDALE.

REPERTOIRE. BOURGEOIS CITY ENGINEER.

CAPITAL PROJECT ENGINEERING.

WE DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION YET FOR THAT.

PART OF THE INVESTIGATION IS TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES TO STABILIZE THE CHANNEL.

WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE.

WE PREFER NOT DOING CEMENT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE NATURAL STABILIZATION TO PROTECT THAT CHANNEL, MAKE IT MORE OF A NATURAL LOOKING SYSTEM.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT ANSWERS THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

AND THEN I HAD A QUESTION ON AC, THE GIS UPGRADES FOR DMG, BUT IT'S JUST A GENERAL ESRI CITY OF DENTON QUESTION.

I KNOW THAT DMAE IS HERE, SO I SAY THIS, BUT IT MIGHT BE HIGHER LEVEL.

SO, SARAH, I'M GOING TO DIRECT THE QUESTION AT YOU, EVEN THOUGH IT'S TONY'S ITEM, AND THAT IS THERE'S SO MANY OF OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE WANTING AND OR PROFESS THE DESIRE FOR GIS UPGRADES AND AS HE CHANGES THAT, IT FEELS LIKE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COST SAVING SYNERGIES HERE.

ARE THERE BECAUSE HE'S ASKING FOR HE DM IS ASKING FOR A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE, WHICH I THINK THEY NEED.

BUT ALSO CAN WE LEVERAGE THAT FOR THE REST OF THE CITY AS WELL? I'LL ASK THEM TO ADDRESS THAT.

I'M SURE THEY'VE TALKED TO ALISHA IN IT.

THAT WOULD BE THE BEST SOLUTION IS TO WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS COMPREHENSIVELY.

SO YESTERDAY.

YES, WE HAVE A OF OVERALL CONTRACT.

THIS PARTICULAR MIGRATION IS ELECTRIC SPECIFIC ONLY TO THE UTILITY NETWORK FOR JUST ELECTRIC GAS.

THERE'S REALLY NOT REALLY A NEED FOR THAT LEVEL OF CONNECTIVITY ON THE ON THE GENERAL SIDE.

ON THE GENERAL SIDE. ALL RIGHT.

SO BUT THERE'S THERE'S NOT ECONOMIES OF SCALE WHERE IF WE GIVE YOU ELECTRIC, WE'LL ALSO THROW IN X THAT WE CAN MAYBE GET TO, HE SAID, LOOKING BACK AND FORTH.

SO THAT'S KIND OF IN THAT OVERALL AS RE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE, IT'S ONE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE THAT COVERS THE WHOLE CITY.

OUR PORTION IS JUST THIS YOU IN? OKAY, THAT HELPS CLARIFY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT MAKES IT CLEAR.

THEN MY NEXT QUESTION, THE THIRD ONE IS A THE THE LIGHTS AT BELL, MCKINNEY, WHATNOT.

WE JUST HAD A WORK SESSION WHERE WE ARE A COUNCIL PRIORITY ITEM WHERE WE DISCUSSED POTENTIALLY CHANGING THE DESIGN AT SOME OF THESE INTERSECTIONS WHERE WE'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT PUTTING LIGHTS.

AND I'M I'M I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IF WE'RE APPROVING THIS NOW, ARE WE LOCKING OURSELVES INTO DESIGN CHANGES? AND IF WE'RE NOT LOCKING OURSELVES INTO DESIGN CHANGES, ARE ARE WE GOING TO END UP DOUBLE SPENDING MONEY IF WE DO A DESIGN CHANGE? DANIEL KRAMER, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS.

SO THIS CONTRACT FOR A IS JUST FOR THE JUST FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIGNALS.

WE USE THAT INTERNALLY FOR A LOT OF REPLACEMENTS.

AND ALSO IT'S BEING USED FOR SOME OF THE NEW ONES THAT ARE COMING DOWN THROUGH CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR DIFFERENT HSP CONTRACTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO IT SHOULD NOT LOCK US INTO ANY OF THOSE CHANGES THAT'LL BE ON A DIFFERENT DESIGN CONTRACT.

THIS IS JUST FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.

ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT GOING TO FORCE US TO BEHAVE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IF WE DO OR DON'T DO IS IS WHAT I'M HEARING.

ALL RIGHT. AWESOME.

GREAT. I'D LIKE TO MAINTAIN THAT FLEXIBILITY JUST IN CASE WE HAVE A DECISION.

AND THEN THE THE AS THE THE ERCOT BRAZOS BANKRUPTCY OPTION ISSUES.

I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE.

I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH THAT IF COUNSEL WOULDN'T MIND, I'D LOVE TO HAVE LIKE A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION FOR THE PUBLIC JUST BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION IN THE BACKUP THAT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR IN THE PUBLIC SESSION.

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OKAY. NOW, CAN WE DO THAT AFTER WE HAVE THE.

YEAH, CERTAINLY YOU CAN DO IT ANY TIME DURING THE MEETING.

BUT I WOULD THINK TONIGHT IS THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT.

FOR THE PUBLIC. YES.

YEAH. NOT NOW, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC.

BUT I'M HONESTLY, IT'S NOT A HILL I WANT TO DIE ON.

IF COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT.

I'M NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN PUSHING THAT IDEA TO GIVE A VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW.

AND THAT WAY IT'LL BE PUBLIC.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I ASK.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. MAYOR.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? QUESTION FOR STAFF. CNN, OK.

THANK YOU. SO FOR THE RECORD, AS HAS BEEN POOLED FOR THIS EVENING, OTHER THAN THAT, THE CONSENT AGENDA AS IS.

AND SO THAT WILL TAKE US TO OUR FIRST.

WELL, AND BEFORE I DO THAT, I DO WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR THEIR COORDINATED COORDINATION AND WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT, ROCKY TOP OR WHATEVER THAT NODE THAT THAT WORDING WAS. BUT I JUST THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK WELL TOGETHER TO GET THE BEST DEVELOPMENT WE CAN OUT IN THOSE IN THOSE AREAS.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

FOR THAT WORK AND FOR BUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS TAKES US TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION ITEM, WHICH IS

[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding Follow-Up Reviews for the following: · Audit Project 003 - Procurement Process · Audit Project 012 - Economic Development: Recruitment & Expansion · Audit Project 013 - Grants Management. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

HELLO MARY. COUNCIL. I'M MADISON RORSCHACH DENTON CITY AUDITOR.

GOING TO PRESENT THREE FOLLOW UP REVIEWS TODAY.

WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES.

AND IF YOU WANT TO KEEP GOING MULTIPLES OUT OF TIME, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AT THE END AND JUST KIND OF HELP US KEEP TRACK OF A LITTLE ICON NEXT.

EACH ONE UP THERE, THEY'LL BE THAT'LL BE AT THE BOTTOM LEFT.

SO JUST TO HELP YOU KEEP TRACK AS WE GO THROUGH EACH ONE.

AND SO JUST AS A REMINDER, AUDIT FOLLOW UP REVIEWS ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON WHAT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE IN RESPONSE TO AN ISSUED AUDIT.

SO WE'LL GET STARTED.

THE FIRST REVIEW I'LL DISCUSS TODAY WAS BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND MANAGEMENT RESPONSES COMPILED IN THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS AUDIT, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY ISSUED IN AUGUST OF 2019 AND HAD AN INITIAL FOLLOW UP IN FEBRUARY OF 2020.

AS PART OF THIS PRESENTATION WILL COVER IMPROVEMENTS MADE IN BOTH THE INITIAL FOLLOW UP, AS WELL AS THE MOST RECENT ONE, WHICH FOUND SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS TO MONITORING AND REVIEW OF THIS CITY'S PROCUREMENT.

TO BEGIN. THE ORIGINAL AUDIT FOUND THAT WHILE THE PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT WAS GENERALLY, GENERALLY MONITORING INDIVIDUAL PROCUREMENTS TO ENSURE THAT THEY COMPLIED WITH STATE PROCUREMENT REGULATIONS, APPROPRIATE AGGREGATE MONITORING WAS NOT BEING PERFORMED.

SINCE THE ORIGINAL AUDIT, THE PURCHASING DIVISION HAS IMPLEMENTED ADDITIONAL PROCEDURES TO MONITOR AGGREGATE PURCHASES BY VENDOR TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY IS COMPLYING WITH STATE PROCUREMENT REGULATIONS.

WHILE THE WHILE THE ORIGINAL AUDIT RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY IMPLEMENT COMMODITY CODES TO ACHIEVE THIS, PURCHASING FOUND THAT THESE CODES COULD NOT BE USED WITH THE CITY'S CURRENT FINANCIAL SYSTEM AND SO HAS BEEN MONITORING SPEND BY VENDOR, WHICH APPEARS TO BE GENERALLY EFFECTIVE.

IN ADDITION, PURCHASING NOW REQUIRES THE DEPARTMENTS TO COMPLETE A REQUISITION INFORMATION FORM, WHICH ALLOWS THEM TO BETTER UNDERSTAND BETTER DETERMINE IF THE REQUESTED COMMODITY IS NEAR CERTAIN REGULATORY REGULATORY BIDDING THRESHOLDS OR IF IT IS ALREADY ON CONTRACT.

IN ADDITION, IT HELPS THE DIVISION ENSURE THAT THE REQUISITIONS HAVE ADEQUATELY OBTAINED QUOTES HAVE CONTACTED HISTORICALLY UNDERUTILIZED BUSINESSES, AS WELL AS HELPING BUYERS CHECK AGGREGATE SPEND BY VENDOR FOR INDIVIDUAL PURCHASES.

PURCHASING ALSO ANNUALLY PERFORMS A THREE YEAR SPEND ANALYSIS FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS BY VENDOR TO IDENTIFY CONSOLIDATION OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE FURTHER ASSURANCE THAT PROCUREMENT REGULATIONS ARE COMPLIED WITH.

THIS APPROACH APPEARS TO HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED THE VALUE OF CITY PURCHASES MADE ON CONTRACT FROM ABOUT 84% IN 2019 TO ABOUT 97% IN 2022.

FINALLY, PURCHASING IS ALSO DEVELOPED AN INTERACTIVE CONTRACT DATABASE THAT ALLOWS DEPARTMENTS TO EASILY IDENTIFY THEIR ACTIVE CONTRACTS AND SEE IF THERE'S A REMAINING SPEND AMOUNT ON THEM. NEXT, THE ORIGINAL AUDIT FOUND THAT BIDS WERE TYPICALLY RECEIVED BY PROCUREMENT AND SPREADSHEETS VIA EMAIL, WHICH POTENTIALLY ALLOWED FOR BIDS TO BE OPENED AND SHARED OR CHANGED WITHOUT THE CHANGE BEING TRACKED.

IN ADDITION, THE ORIGINAL AUDIT FOUND THAT BID SOLICITATIONS WERE OCCASIONALLY OPENED AT BUYERS DESKS WITHOUT WITNESSES.

SINCE THEN, THE CITY HAS IMPLEMENTED A NEW ELECTRONIC BIDDING SYSTEM THAT ENSURES BIDS CANNOT BE OPENED PREMATURELY AND MAINTAINS A RECORD OF ALL BID ACTIVITY.

PURCHASING IS ALSO CREATED A BID OPENING FORUM TO DOCUMENT THE TIME AND PLACE A BID OPENINGS, AS WELL AS THE ATTENDEES AND ANY NECESSARY WITNESSES.

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FINALLY, FOR THIS ONE, TEXAS LAW EXEMPTS CERTAIN PROCUREMENT OR PURCHASE TYPES FROM ITS COMPETITIVE BIDDING REQUIREMENTS.

THESE SOLE SOURCE PURCHASES GENERALLY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL ATTESTATION OR ATTENTION FROM PURCHASING TO ENSURE.

THE CITY IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW.

THE ORIGINAL AUDIT FOUND THAT MOST OF THE SOLE SOURCE PURCHASES REVIEWED HAD NO DOCUMENTATION SUPPORTING THAT THE ITEMS PROCURED WERE THE ONLY PRODUCT OR SERVICE THAT COULD MEET THE CITY'S OPERATIONAL NEED.

SINCE THEN, PURCHASING HAS CREATED A SOLE SOURCE JUSTIFICATION FORM THE DEPARTMENTS ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE.

THIS FORM REQUIRES DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS TO PROVIDE INFORMATION, TO PROVIDE AND CERTIFY INFORMATION ON WHAT EACH PRODUCT'S PURPOSE IS AND HOW THEY ARE TRYING TO FOSTER COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT OPTIONS IN THE FUTURE.

BASED ON REVIEW OF A SAMPLE OF PURCHASE ORDERS, ALL EIGHT MADE WITH A SOLE SOURCE EXEMPTION HAD JUSTIFICATION FORMS THAT WERE SIGNED BY BOTH THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR AND THE PURCHASING MANAGER.

IN ADDITION, ALSO, SOURCE PURCHASES MUST BE REVIEWED BY THE CITY SOLICITATION REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH INCLUDES STAFF FROM PURCHASING LEGAL AND INTERNAL AUDIT AS PART OF THE DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS.

IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT FOR OF THE SOLE SOURCE PROCUREMENTS REVIEWED AS PART OF THE SAMPLE WERE RELATED TO SOFTWARE LICENSES OR SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE SUPPORT.

BASED ON DISCUSSIONS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THEY HAVE ADVISED PURCHASING THAT THESE PURCHASES MAY BE PROCURED A SOLE SOURCE DURING AN IDENTIFIED TIME PERIOD, WHICH HAS BEEN CALLED A LIFE CYCLE IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE COST TO THE CITY AND ALLOW FOR ADEQUATE REPLACEMENT PLANNING COST PLANNING.

AFTER COMPLETION OF THIS LIFECYCLE, THESE SOFTWARE SERVICES MUST ONCE AGAIN BE COMPETITIVELY BID.

ACCORDING TO OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THERE'S NOT REALLY CASE LAW AROUND THIS PRACTICE THAT WOULD PROVIDE GUIDANCE REGARDING HOW IT COMPLIES WITH STATE PROCUREMENT REGULATIONS.

FOR THAT REASON, WHILE WE CONSIDERED ALL REVIEWED SOLE SOURCE PROCUREMENTS TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW, THERE IS SOME RISK THAT THE CITY COULD BE CHALLENGED ON THIS IN THE FUTURE.

IN SUMMARY, WE FOUND THAT ALL 14 RECOMMENDATIONS ISSUED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROCUREMENT PROCESS AUDIT ARE NOW IMPLEMENTED AND PLAN TO DISCUSS CONSIDERING THE AUDIT PROJECT FORMALLY COMPLETE WITH THE AUDIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE NEXT WEEK.

SO ANY ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS FOLLOW UP BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE? ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS FOLLOW UP? I'LL JUST ASK, IS THERE A REPORT YOU MENTIONED? IT KIND OF TRACKS THE OPENING AND SOME OF THOSE NEW DATA POINTS IS THAT TRACTOR IS A REPORT THAT KIND OF IS HOUSED AND BACKED UP OR HOW IS THAT IS THAT IS THAT WITHIN YOUR SCOPE FOR THE BID OPENING? I'M SORRY. YES.

FOR FOR PROCUREMENT.

YOU MENTIONED IT'S IT'S NOTED WHEN IT'S OPENED AND THE HISTORY SOUNDS LIKE.

YEAH. JUST CURIOUS IF THAT'S KIND OF A EXPORTED REPORT OR SAVED OR THERE'S KIND OF AN AUDIT LOG AUDIT FEATURE IN THE NEW PROCUREMENT SOFTWARE AND THEN ANY PHYSICAL BID OPENING SHEETS ARE DOCUMENTED IN PROCUREMENTS, FILES, BASIC ELECTRONIC FILES.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD ALWAYS WE COULD YOU COULD PROBABLY RUN A REPORT ON LIKE WHEN BIDS WERE SUBMITTED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THEN BUT LIKE THE BID OPENINGS, THAT ALL HAPPENS AT ONCE, BUT THEN THEY KIND OF EXPORT IT OUT AND DO LIKE A FUTURE, LIKE A FURTHER BID REVIEW WHERE THEY READ THEM OUT LOUD. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES. AND SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME BACK AND SAY, I THINK YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION, BUT IF SOMEONE COMES BACK AND SAYS, HEY, WE FEEL WE WEREN'T GIVEN A FAIR SHAKE, THEY'RE ABLE TO THEN SAY, HERE'S THE RECORD OF THAT.

IT'S KIND OF RIGHT. THEY'D BE ABLE TO SAY, THIS IS WHEN YOU SUBMITTED YOUR BID, THIS IS WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THEIR BID, THIS IS WHEN WE OPENED IT.

THERE'S NO WAY TO OPEN BIDS PRIOR TO THAT TIME PERIOD.

BASICALLY GOT IT ON THE SYSTEM.

THANK YOU. YES.

ALL RIGHT. READY FOR THE NEXT ONE. ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS NEXT REVIEW WAS BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND MANAGEMENT RESPONSES ORIGINALLY COMPILED IN THE AUDIT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH COVERED RECRUITMENT AND EXPANSION.

AND THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ISSUED IN JANUARY OF 2020.

IN GENERAL, THIS FOLLOW UP REVIEW FOUND SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO THE CITY'S TRACKING AND OVERSIGHT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, RECRUITMENT AND EXPANSION ACTIVITIES.

SO TO BEGIN, THE ORIGINAL AUDIT FOUND THAT THE CITY DID NOT HAVE A CLEAR LINK FROM ITS STRATEGIC PLAN TO ITS RECRUITMENT TARGETS AND THAT THESE TARGETS WERE NOT ALWAYS PLAINLY DEFINED.

SINCE THEN, THE CITY HAS ADOPTED A NEW NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH USED AN ECOSYSTEM APPROACH TO IDENTIFY THE STRATEGIC GROWTH AREA SHOWN ON THE RIGHT OF THE SLIDE.

AND THOSE ARE NOW GUIDING THE CITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RECRUITMENT ACTIVITIES.

AS PART OF THIS ADOPTION, THE CITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN UPDATED TO INCLUDE CONSIDERATION.

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IN ADDITION, THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN INCLUDES SPECIFIC OBJECTIVES AND ACTIVITIES THAT ARE EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED BY THE CITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND THE DENTON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP STAFF, ALLOWING FOR EVALUATION OF THESE ENTITIES PERFORMANCE AGAINST THIS PLAN.

FURTHERMORE, THE ORIGINAL AUDIT FOUND THAT WHILE PREDICTED, CREATION OF JOBS WAS OFTEN A KEY FACTOR IN DETERMINING HOW MUCH OF AN INCENTIVE THE CITY WOULD OFFER, VERIFICATION OF THESE JOBS BEING CREATED WAS NOT REQUIRED BY THE INCENTIVE POLICY, UNLIKE CREATION OF NEW PROPERTY VALUES.

SINCE THEN, THE CITY HAS INCORPORATED THIS REQUIREMENT INTO THE TAX ABATEMENTS AND INCENTIVES POLICY, WHICH FURTHER ENSURES THAT THE CITY IS ACHIEVING ITS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OBJECTIVES.

NEXT, THE ORIGINAL AUDIT FOUND THAT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE'S ABILITY TO TRACK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RECRUITMENT LEADS WAS LACKING, HINDERING THE CITY'S ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND MARKETING OUTCOMES.

SINCE THE ORIGINAL AUDIT, THE CHAMBER HAS IMPLEMENTED A LEAD TRACKING SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS THAT THE CITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT ALSO HAS ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM, ALLOWS FOR LEAD AND PROJECT INFORMATION TO EASILY BE SHARED BETWEEN BOTH ORGANIZATIONS, FACILITATES TRACKING LEAD STATUS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AND SIMPLIFIES REPORTING. IN ADDITION, WE FOUND THAT THE FORMAT OF THE CITY'S AGREEMENT WITH THE WITH THE DENTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HAS BEEN CHANGED SINCE THE ORIGINAL AUDIT TO REFLECT THE NEWLY ADOPTED STRATEGIC FOCUS AREAS AND INCLUDES SPECIFIC WORKPLAN ITEMS TO BE COMPLETED BY THE CHAMBER.

INSTEAD OF METRICS.

BASED ON THIS NEW AGREEMENT, THE CHAMBER APPEARS TO GENERALLY BE EFFECTIVELY REPORTING ON THESE ITEMS ANNUALLY.

STILL, WHILE THE NEW LEAD TRACKING SYSTEM FACILITATES RECRUITMENT ACTIVITY REPORTING, WE FOUND THAT PROGRESS ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN HAS NOT BEEN PRESENTED TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD OR THE CITY COUNCIL SINCE JULY OF 2021.

ACCORDING TO STAFF, THIS IS DUE TO LIMITED PROGRESS BEING MADE ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN IMPLEMENTATION DUE TO STAFFING TURNOVER.

HOWEVER, STAFF STATED THAT THEY PLAN TO RESUME WORK ON IMPLEMENTING THE STRATEGIC PLAN IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

FINALLY, DURING THE ORIGINAL AUDIT, WE FOUND THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, RETENTION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, RETENTION AND EXPANSION EFFORTS WERE CONCENTRATED IN THE CITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND WERE PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY IN-PERSON VISITS.

WHILE WE FOUND THAT ABOUT 35 VISITS WERE BEING CONDUCTED ANNUALLY, DOCUMENTATION OF THESE VISITS WAS NOT DID NOT ADEQUATELY INCLUDE INFORMATION TO DETERMINE IF THEY HAD RESULTED IN SUBSEQUENT FOLLOW UP ACTIVITIES OR WHAT INFORMATION HAD BEEN LEARNED DURING THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

IN ADDITION, THERE WERE NOT CLEARLY DEFINED TARGETS OR OBJECTIVES FOR THE RETENTION AND EXPANSION PROGRAM.

SINCE THEN, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HAS CREATED A BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION PROGRAM OUTLINE THAT ESTABLISHES THE PROGRAM'S PURPOSE, GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, AND OUTLINES QUALITATIVE AND QUANTITATIVE PERFORMANCE MEASURES BY WHICH THE PROGRAM CAN BE EVALUATED.

IN ADDITION, THE DEPARTMENT HAS DEVELOPED PRE VISITATION SURVEYS FOR BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION VISITS, WHICH INCLUDES QUESTIONS COVERING POTENTIAL PLANS TO EXPAND SPACE NEEDS, AVAILABLE TRAINING AND CHALLENGES, OR NEEDS THAT THE BUSINESS HAS OF THE CITY COULD ASSIST WITH.

AND A SIMILAR SURVEY HAS BEEN DEVELOPED THAT IS DISTRIBUTED DIRECTLY TO SMALL BUSINESSES TO HELP ENSURE THOSE VOICES ARE ALSO HEARD.

FINALLY, ALL BUSINESS ASSISTANCE IS PROVIDED BY THE DEPARTMENT TO A BUSINESS OR TRACT IN THE CITY'S NEW IN THE NEW LEAD TRACKING SYSTEM.

AND SO WHEN A BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION VISIT RESULTS IN A BUSINESS ASSISTANCE, THESE ARE ALSO TRACKED IN THAT FASHION.

SO IN SUMMARY, WE FOUND THAT TEN OF THE 11 ISSUED RECOMMENDATIONS ARE NOW IMPLEMENTED, WITH ONE REMAINING IN PROGRESS.

BASED ON THIS INFORMATION, WE EXPECT TO PERFORM AN INFORMAL FOLLOW UP REVIEW IN THE FUTURE TO COMPLETE THIS AUDIT PROJECT.

SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE LAST? ANY QUESTIONS? CNN. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, ONE MORE.

SO THIS LAST REVIEW WAS BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND MANAGEMENT RESPONSES COMPILED IN THE GRANTS MANAGEMENT AUDIT, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY ISSUED IN JUNE OF 2020.

THE ORIGINAL AUDIT WAS INTENDED TO EVALUATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF CONTROLS OVER DECENTRALIZED GRANTS MANAGEMENT ACTIVITIES ACROSS THE CITY, AND THIS FOLLOW UP REVIEW FOUND IMPROVEMENTS HAD GENERALLY BEEN MADE BEEN MADE TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE CITY'S GRANT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.

THE IMPLEMENTATION HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN CONSISTENT, SO IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT SINCE THE ORIGINAL AUDIT CITYWIDE GRANTS, ADMINISTRATION AND OVERSIGHT HAS BEEN CENTRALIZED, SO DO THIS.

WE HAVE REVIEWED THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE TEN AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS HOLISTICALLY INSTEAD OF ON A DEPARTMENT BASIS.

SPECIFICALLY, SO SPECIFICALLY, INSTEAD OF HAVING TEN RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE ISSUED TO FIVE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, MANY OF WHICH KIND OF HAD SIMILAR INTENT AND LANGUAGE, WE SEPARATED THESE INTO TEN PARTS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE SLIDE FOR REFERENCE.

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SO TO BEGIN, THE ORIGINAL AUDIT FOUND THAT THE CITY DID NOT HAVE A CENTRALIZED PROCESS FOR IDENTIFYING, APPLYING AND ADMINISTERING GRANTS AWARDED TO THE CITY.

THOUGH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT WAS IN THE PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING A CENTRALIZED GRANT POLICY.

SINCE THEN, THE CITY HAS ESTABLISHED A GRANT MANAGEMENT OFFICE THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CENTRALIZED OVERSIGHT AND ADMINISTRATION OF MOST GRANTS AWARDED TO THE CITY.

THE OFFICE HAS IMPLEMENTED A GRANT ADMINISTRATION POLICY AND A GRANT A GRANT MANAGEMENT STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE TO HELP ADDRESS ISSUES WITH OVERSIGHT AND PROCESS CONSISTENCY. SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE HAVING A CLEAR, CLEAR REQUIREMENTS AND PROCESSES AROUND WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE SUBMISSION OF GRANT APPLICATIONS. THERE WAS A THEY CREATED A GRANT REVIEW COMMITTEE WHICH REVIEWS THE FEASIBILITY OF GRANTS IDENTIFIED BY DEPARTMENTS AND MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHETHER THE CITY SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT APPLY.

THERE HAS ALSO BEEN DEVELOPMENT OF GRANTS TRAINING FOR DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE CITY AND THEY ESTABLISH A CENTRAL REPOSITORY FOR ALL GRANT DOCUMENTATION SUCH AS APPLICATIONS, AWARD LETTERS, TERMS AND CONDITIONS, ACTIVITY REPORTS AND REIMBURSEMENT CLAIMS. THESE IMPROVEMENTS GENERALLY PROVIDE A CLEARER FRAMEWORK FOR THE CITY'S GRANTS MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, HELPING TO ENSURE GRANTS ALIGN WITH THE CITY'S STRATEGIC GOALS.

THAT BEING SAID, WE FOUND THAT SOME DOCUMENTATION OR PROCESS STEPS REQUIRED BY THE NEW POLICY WERE MISSING.

SPECIFICALLY, THE GRANT'S SOP REQUIRES THAT DEPARTMENTS HAVE A KICK OFF MEETING WITH THE GRANT MANAGEMENT OFFICE ONCE A GRANT IS AWARDED TO DISCUSS THE GRANTS, TIMELINES, RESPONSIBILITIES AND BUDGET.

HOWEVER, NOT ALL AWARDED GRANTS REVIEWED HAD THIS MEETING.

SIMILARLY, THE GRANT SCOPE REQUIRES ALL GRANTS AWARDED TO THE CITY TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, EITHER PRIOR TO THE APPLICATION BEING SUBMITTED OR ONCE IT'S BEEN AWARDED.

HOWEVER, SOME GRANTS THAT DID NOT REQUIRE APPROVAL PRE AWARD WERE NOT APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AFTER IT WAS AWARDED.

BASED ON DISCUSSION WITH GRANT'S MANAGEMENT, WITH THE GRANT MANAGEMENT OFFICE, THESE ISSUES SEEM TO TYPICALLY BE DUE TO JUST THE LOGISTICS OF HOW THE GRANT WAS APPLICATION AND AWARD PROCESS WORKS, OR THEY WERE DUE TO THE GRANT BEING AWARDED KIND OF BEFORE THE OFFICE WAS FULLY ESTABLISHED.

BASED ON THIS RESPONSE, IT IS LIKELY THAT DURING A FUTURE FOLLOW UP, ALL REVIEWED GRANTS WILL COMPLY WITH CITY POLICY AND PROCEDURE REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEN LAST. ON THIS ONE, THE ORIGINAL AUDIT FOUND THAT DESPITE DECENTRALIZATION, DEPARTMENTS GENERALLY DID NOT HAVE FORMALLY IMPLEMENTED POLICIES OR PROCEDURES FOR THE APPLICATION AND ADMINISTRATION OF THEIR GRANTS, WITH A NOTABLE EXCEPTION BEING COMMUNITY SERVICES.

BASED ON DISCUSSION WITH THE GRANT'S MANAGEMENT OFFICE, AS WELL AS RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS.

MOST DEPARTMENTS NOW FOLLOW THE ADOPTED GRANT'S STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE FOR THEIR AWARDED GRANTS.

THIS SOP INCLUDES GENERAL ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES FOR GRANT ADMINISTRATION, AS WELL AS PROCEDURES FOR DAILY FOR DAILY GRANT ACTIVITIES, REPORT AND REIMBURSEMENT REQUESTS, SUBMISSION GRANT REFUND RECEIPTS AND SPECIAL PROCEDURES FOR GRANTS THAT INCLUDE REAL PROPERTY OR EQUIPMENT OR COMPENSATION RELATED BENEFITS.

IN ADDITION, WE FOUND THAT ALL GRANT AWARDED GRANTS HAD DOCUMENTED TERMS AND CONDITIONS WHICH WERE OCCASIONALLY MISSING FOR GRANTS REVIEWED IN THE ORIGINAL AUDIT.

THAT BEING SAID, WE DID FIND THAT DOCUMENTATION OF REQUIRED GRANT ACTIVITY REPORTS AND REIMBURSEMENT REQUEST REVIEWS WAS OFTEN MISSING, HINDERING THE VERIFICATION HINDERING VERIFICATION THAT GRANT REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING MET, AT LEAST FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.

OUR END BASED ON DISCUSSION WITH THE GRANT'S MANAGEMENT OFFICE, THESE ISSUES ARE TYPICALLY DUE TO THE LOGISTICS OF THE GRANT DOORS REPORTING SYSTEM AND DUE TO THE CITY PROCESSING REIMBURSEMENT REQUESTS THROUGH EMAIL.

SO SPECIFICALLY ON THAT, GRANT'S OFFICE STAFF STATED THAT THE GRANT ACCOUNTANT'S APPROVAL OF REIMBURSEMENT REQUESTS IS COMMUNICATED THROUGH EMAIL AND AT THE OFFICE DOES NOT SUBMIT THE REQUESTS UNTIL RECEIVING THIS APPROVAL.

WHILE THIS WOULD SEEM TO BE AN EFFECTIVE PROCESS AT REDUCING THE RISK THAT THERE ARE INAPPROPRIATE EXPENSES WITHOUT ADEQUATE DOCUMENTATION, IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT THIS REVIEW IS OCCURRING. THERE'S NOT EVIDENCE OF IT, BASICALLY.

AND THE CITY HAS RECENTLY ACQUIRED A GRANT MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE AND IS CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH CITYWIDE IMPLEMENTATION.

THIS SOFTWARE WILL BE USED AS THE CITY'S GRANT DOCUMENTATION REPOSITORY IN THE FUTURE AND SHOULD HELP TO FURTHER ENSURE DOCUMENTATION IS ADEQUATELY STORED.

SO IN SUMMARY, WE FOUND THAT SIX OF THE TEN RECOMMENDATION PARTS FROM THE ORIGINAL AUDIT WERE IMPLEMENTED, WITH THE REMAINING FOUR BEING IN PROGRESS.

AND BASED ON THIS INFORMATION, WE EXPECT TO PERFORM AN ADDITIONAL FOLLOW UP REVIEW IN THE FUTURE TO COMPLETE THIS AUDIT PROJECT.

ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS? GREAT QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

COUNCILOR BERT. I HAVE A BASIC QUESTION.

HOW OFTEN ARE THE FOLLOW UPS DONE AGAIN? THE FOLLOW UP, YES.

USUALLY WE TRY TO DO THE FIRST ONE WITHIN 18 TO 36 MONTHS, SO A YEAR AND A HALF TO THREE YEARS.

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WE DON'T WANT TO REREVIEW STUFF THAT WE'VE ALREADY REVIEWED, SO WE HAVE TO ALLOW TIME TO FOR MORE INSTANCES TO OCCUR.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? AWESOME. THE OTHER QUESTIONS, I JUST HAVE ONE.

HOW WHAT'S THE FREQUENCY BEST PRACTICES I GUESS, FOR UPDATING THE GRANT SE SOP TIP? TYPICALLY, I WOULD SAY SOPS SHOULD BE REVIEWED AT LEAST ONCE EVERY YEAR AND THEN UPDATED AS NEEDED BASED ON THAT.

OKAY. AND IS THERE A CATCH IN THERE FOR THAT OR DO THEY DO YOU KNOW IF.

IS THAT JUST SOMETHING AND DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S SOMEONE HAVE OVERSIGHT OVER THAT OR THE MANAGEMENT OFFICE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT SOP.

SO IN THEORY, THEY SHOULD BE DOING THAT ONCE A YEAR IS THE BEST PRACTICE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

AND I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

THEY SHOULD HAVE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES FOR THEIR AREA AND IT SHOULD STATE IN THERE HOW OFTEN THEY WOULD REVIEW THEIR MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO. SO THEY KNOW THEY'RE STAYING ON STUFF AND THEY SHOULD HAVE SORT OF A MATRIX THAT SHOWS WHAT THEY NEED TO DO WHEN THEY DO IT AND HOW THEY SHOULD CHECK IT OFF.

OKAY. IF YOU COULD HELP ME, MAYBE CIRCLE BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT IT MAY BE BAKED INTO THE SOFTWARE OR SOMETHING, BUT JUST LET ME KNOW THE SOP IS UPDATED.

YEAH. HOW THEY'RE TRACKING THAT OR WHO'S TRACKING IT OR JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT? LAURA G.

OKAY, GREAT. YOU WANT MORE DETAIL? SHE'S OVER GRANTS.

YES. GOOD AFTERNOON.

LAURA BEHRENS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OVER PROCUREMENT, WAREHOUSE AND GRANTS.

THE ORIGINAL SOP WAS ADOPTED IN AUGUST OF 21, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF UPDATING IT NOW.

PRIMARILY THAT WAS TRIGGERED BY SOME CHANGES IN THE OMB.

SO THE FEDERAL GUIDELINES ON GRANT ADMINISTRATION, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME UPDATES TO THAT DOCUMENT.

SO WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT OUR SOP DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH THOSE UPDATES.

OMB, OFFICE FOR BUDGET MANAGEMENT.

THERE YOU GO. THANKS.

GREAT, OK.

THANK YOU. AT SOME POINT WE FOR FOR FOR GRANT, ETC., YOU ANTICIPATE US GETTING BIT.

NEVER MIND LIKE BITCOINS AND ALL.

I COULDN'T IMAGINE TRACKING ALL THE MOVING PARTS.

SO. GREAT. THANK YOU.

AND THEN I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR DIRECTION.

WE JUST DID THREE FOLLOW UPS AT ONCE.

DO YOU PREFER THIS STYLE OR DO YOU WANT ME TO GO BACK TO ONE AT A TIME? MY PREFERENCE IS JUST UNDER LIKE IT.

AIM FOR THE MIDDLE. LIKE TO.

BUT YOU KNOW, LET'S DOUBLE OUR EFFORTS.

BUT ANYONE ELSE? CASPAR DAVIS. I THINK FOR THESE IN PARTICULAR, THREE WAS GOOD.

IT MAY VARY DEPENDING ON THE AUDIT, BUT MULTIPLE WHATEVER IT FEELS APPROPRIATE.

AND OF COURSE WE'VE GOT AN AGENDA COMMITTEE THAT CAN WEIGH IN ON THAT TOO, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE ADDITIONAL DIRECTION FOR A PARTICULAR ONE.

BUT I LIKE MULTIPLE IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I'VE GOT TO SPEND SOME REAL TIME JUST DIGGING INTO THE MEAT OF TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

GOT IT TO.

I'M GOING TO COSIGN ON THAT.

I THINK THERE'S A THESE THESE WENT WELL TOGETHER.

THERE'LL BE TIMES WHEN A SINGLE ITEM WAS JUST VERY DENSE AND WE HAD TO DIG THROUGH IT.

SO I LEAVE THAT TO YOUR JUDGMENT CALL AS TO THE THE DENSITY AND THE AGENDA COMMITTEE.

BUT I STILL THINK YES.

AND WOULD BE MY DIRECTION.

MCGEE I WOULD SAY NO MORE THAN THREE.

YEAH, IT'S TAXING.

YOU KNOW, THE WEEKEND BEFORE COUNCIL MEETING WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH OUR BACKUP AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WE UNDERSTAND ALL THIS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS SO THE MEETING DOESN'T DRAG ON.

SO PLEASE, NO MORE THAN THREE.

BUT I'M GONNA COSIGN WITH THE MAYOR, TOO.

MIGHT BE THE SWEET SPOT.

OKAY, SO HE'LL BACK ANYONE ELSE.

GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. THAT CONCLUDES ITEM A TAKES US TO ITEM B, WHICH IS ID 221720 RECEIVER PORT.

[B. Receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the proposed Bell Avenue Bicycle and Pedestrian Corridor for the portion of the roadway through Texas Woman’s University from Administration Drive to just south of Chapel Drive. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. COUNCIL.

BECKY DEVENY, CITY ENGINEER.

GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE BELL AVENUE BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR.

A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW.

WHY WE'RE HERE, WHAT'S TRANSPIRED TO DATE.

THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE WE'VE LAST SPOKEN.

AND WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY RESULTS SHOW, SOME OF THE OPTIONS FOR THE EXHIBITS.

TALK ABOUT ACCESS FROM THE BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR.

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SO WHY ARE WE HERE? SO I THINK YOU'RE ALL AWARE CITY AND STAFF AND A.W.

HAVE DISCUSSED THE OPTION OF CONSTRUCTING A BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR ON BELL AVENUE, SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN CHAPEL DRIVE AND ADMINISTRATION DRIVE.

AND WE WERE SEEKING FEEDBACK FROM OUR RESIDENTS.

AND AS YOU KNOW, CHANCELLOR PHAETON, WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE WITH US TODAY ON AUGUST 2ND, GAVE A WORK SESSION PRESENTATION TO DISCUSS THE T.W.

MASTER PLAN.

AND AT THAT TIME, KIP ENGINEERING WAS ASKED TO BRING BACK THIS ITEM AFTER HAVING A RESIDENTIAL MEETING AND RECEIVING THAT COMMUNITY INPUT.

SO WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED TODAY, A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY LESSON.

IN 1962, THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE WAS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED.

IN 2018, THAT BRIDGE WAS CLOSED.

AND THEN IN 2017, CITY STAFF ACTUALLY DEMOLISHED THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AND INSTALLED AN A-GRADE CROSSING THAT WAS LOCATED NORTH AND SOUTH OF ADMINISTRATION DRIVE.

SO TRAFFIC STUDY RESULTS.

LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

SO TRAFFIC A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS ACTUALLY DONE IN THE FALL OF 2019.

AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN ASKED A NUMBER OF TIMES, DID THIS HAPPEN DURING COVID? I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY RESULT ACTUALLY WAS PRE-COVID.

COVID BEGAN AROUND MARCH OF 2020.

SO THESE STUDY RESULTS WERE BACK WHEN WE WERE SEEING NORMAL TRAFFIC PATTERNS.

IT WAS ACTUALLY PRODUCED IN THE FALL OF 2020.

THE GOAL OF THAT OVERALL STUDY WAS TO ANALYZE 21 INTERSECTIONS AND BASED ON THE EXISTING AND FORECASTED TRAFFIC VOLUMES FOR 2045, EACH INTERSECTION WAS ANALYZED BASED ON THAT BELL AVENUE OPEN ONLY TO PEDESTRIAN, BICYCLE AND EMERGENCY TRAFFIC BETWEEN CHAPEL DRIVE AND ADMINISTRATION DRIVE.

THE CONCLUSION OF THAT STUDY ACTUALLY SAID THAT IMPLEMENTING A BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR BETWEEN CHAPEL DRIVE AND ADMINISTRATION DRIVE WOULD HAVE NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING ROADWAYS UNTIL 2045.

SO THE OPTION THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED WAS TO ESTABLISH A 50 FOOT OR I'M SORRY, 550 FOOT DEDICATED BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR WITH AN AUTO FREE CORE FROM THE CHAPEL DRIVE TO ADMINISTRATION.

WHAT THAT DOES IS LEAVE APPROXIMATELY 4000 FEET OF BELL AVENUE OPEN TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.

IT DOES SUPPORT THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE VEHICLES FROM THE FIRE AND POLICE.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU A GRAPHIC OF THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.

IT DOES KEEP ACCESS TO ALL PUBLIC UTILITIES AND CREATES TWO DEDICATED BIKE LANES.

IT DOES CONNECT TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS AND IT ACCOMMODATES THE DELIVERY VEHICLE ACCESS TO THE DINING HALL.

SO THIS IS THE OPTION.

IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF AN EXHIBIT THAT'S BEEN PREPARED.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ORANGE LINE WILL SHOW YOU THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS ROUTE.

ADMINISTRATION OBVIOUSLY IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN, AND YOU'RE GETTING VERY MUCH CLOSER TO CHAPEL AND NEAR THAT DINING HALL LOCATION.

THE BLUE LINE SHOWS A SOUTHBOUND BIKE LANE.

THE YELLOW LINE SHOWS A NORTHBOUND BIKE LANE AND THEN, OF COURSE, BARRIER ARMS. AND I'LL SHOW YOU A CROSS SECTION VIEW OF THAT IN JUST ONE MOMENT.

I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT ON THE DINING HALL LOCATION AN ACTUAL TURNAROUND IS PROPOSED IN THAT AREA SO THAT THE TRUCK TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA COULD DO THAT TURNAROUND ALONG WITH ANY VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.

SO LET ME GET TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO YOU MAY WONDER WHAT THIS MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

SO THE FIRST PICTURE YOU SEE ON THE TOP LEFT IS BELLE AVENUE AT ADMINISTRATION LOOKING NORTH.

AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT GATE ARM WOULD BE PROPOSED.

AND THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN SEE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AT NIGHT TIME.

THESE ARE SOME GATES THAT ARE ACTUALLY LOCATED AT ANOTHER FACILITY.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE LOOKING SOUTH, YOU WOULD HAVE BOTH OF THOSE BICYCLE CORRIDORS ALONG WITH THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS.

SO WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EXISTING ACCESS WITH THE BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR.

SO THIS GRAPHIC, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO SHOW YOU THAT THE SECTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, THAT 550 FOOT SECTION IS FROM CHAPEL ON THE NORTH AND ADMINISTRATION ON THE SOUTH. ALL OF THE BLUE LINES ARE THE DETOUR ROUTES OR THEY'RE PROPOSED ROUTES THAT IF A CAR WAS TRAVELING SOUTHBOUND ON BELL AVENUE, THEY WOULD COME DOWN, MAKE A U-TURN.

AND THAT AREA THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU ON THE PREVIOUS GRAPHIC AND THEN HEAD BACK NORTHBOUND OR SIMILARLY, THEY WOULD COME ALL THE WAY UP TO ADMINISTRATION AND TURN AROUND AND COME BACK.

THEY WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE TEXAS, OF COURSE, COME ALL THE WAY DOWN BELL AND THEN HEAD OUT TOWARDS MINGO.

I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED ABOUT WHY NOT DIVERT TRAFFIC ONTO ADMINISTRATION, DRIVE ALL THE ROADWAYS YOU

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SO I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT AND HIGHLIGHT WHERE OUR CITY FACILITIES VERSUS GW FACILITIES.

SO YOU ASK US TO HOLD A COMMUNITY MEETING AND WE DID.

SO THAT WAS HELD ON OCTOBER 6TH.

YOU'RE WELCOME, SIR.

WE HAD 49 ATTENDEES, WHICH INCLUDED 11 STAFF.

WE DID HAVE AN APPROXIMATELY 100 PEOPLE SIGNED UP, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAD, LIKE I MENTIONED, THE 49.

AND THROUGH THAT TIME FRAME, WE ACTUALLY HELD A POLL WHERE THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO GO ON AND ANSWER THE POLL AND IT SAYS, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED OF THE PROPOSED BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR FOR THE PORTION OF ROADWAY THROUGH TEXAS WOMAN'S UNIVERSITY FROM ADMINISTRATION DRIVE JUST TO JUST SOUTH OF CHAPEL DRIVE? THIS POLL WAS OPENED FROM MONDAY, THE THIRD TO MONDAY, THE 10TH.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT MY EMAIL WAS ALSO PUT IN THE PAPER ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHER AVENUES, AND I DID RECEIVE QUITE A FEW EMAILS.

ANY RESPONSE THAT I RECEIVED DURING THAT TIME FRAME, BECAUSE WE DID HAVE A FEW INDIVIDUALS THAT HAD A HARD TIME USING THE POLL.

I DID TAKE THAT INFORMATION, SEND IT TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHO I HAVE TO GIVE A VERY HUGE SHOUTOUT TO HAILEY SALAZAR ON OUR TEAM, WHO DID A FANTASTIC JOB OF HELPING ME CREATE SOME OF THIS INFORMATION ALONG WITH OUR MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS TEAM.

AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT ANY OF THOSE THAT I DID RECEIVE, I DID SEND TO HER, AND THEY WERE LOGGED IN THE POLL.

AND YOUR BACKUP, YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED AN EXHIBIT.

I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT EIGHT PAGES LONG OF ALL THE RESPONSES THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.

THE SURVEY RESULTS SHOW THAT THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 252 PEOPLE OPPOSED AND 204 IN FAVOR.

KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS NOT JUST THE FOLKS THAT WE SENT THE LETTERS OUT TO THAT WERE IN JUST THE GRAPHICAL GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION THAT'S CLOSE TO THIS CORRIDOR.

IT WAS ACTUALLY CITY WIDE.

AND THE REASON WHY I HAVE THIS MAP TODAY IS TO BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU THAT.

SO THE GREEN DOTS ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN FAVOR AND THE RED DOTS ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE OPPOSED.

THIS GRAPHIC THAT YOU CAN SEE, WHICH IS A LITTLE CUTOUT.

IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THE AREA.

THE TURQUOISE LINE IS JUST A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF 380 AND THEN A LITTLE BIT EAST OF RUDEL ALONG MINGO, THEN, OF COURSE, ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF I BELIEVE THIS IS MCKINNEY.

AND THEN I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING.

AND THEN ACROSS ELM AND LOCUST.

SO THIS IS THE GRAPHICAL AREA OF WHICH THE MAILERS WERE SENT OUT.

WHAT WE DID, THOUGH, IS TAKE THAT OVERALL EXHIBIT AND BE ABLE TO SHARE IT OVER HERE SO YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE DOTS THAT ARE IN FAVOR A FEW ALONG TEXAS, ONE ALONG BELL, A COUPLE ALONG AUSTIN.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, THERE'S A FEW RED IN THOSE AREAS TOO.

AND THEN NORTH OF 380, YOU CAN SEE SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS, RED AND A FEW TURQUOISE.

SO I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE FOLKS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY IMPACTED THOSE AREAS.

BUT OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN SEE WE RECEIVED RESPONDENTS FROM FOLKS THAT ARE ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE UP INTO THE SOUTHRIDGE AREA AND THEN OF COURSE, OUTSIDE THE LOOP 288 AREA.

AND REALLY OUR NEXT STEPS ARE TO SEEK DIRECTION ON WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT SCOPE.

AND WITH THAT, WE WOULD PREPARE A FINAL SURVEY.

FINAL DESIGN, OF COURSE, WORK WITH A RIGHT OF WAY, USE AGREEMENT WITH T.W., AND THEN SELECT A CONTRACTOR AND INITIATE CONSTRUCTION.

AND WITH THAT, I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHER INDIVIDUALS I HAVE HERE PRESENT TO ASSIST ME AND JUST TO HELP SHAPE THE QUESTIONS.

WOULD THERE BE ANOTHER REQUIREMENT FOR A FORMAL VOTE, PUBLIC, I.E.

PUBLIC HEARING OR NO? SO YOU TALK ABOUT DESIGN.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THERE'S WHAT'S NEXT, IF ANYTHING, BASED ON THE DECISION TODAY SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

AND NO, SIR, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER REASON WHY WE RECEIVED COUNSEL DIRECTION TODAY TO MOVE FORWARD THEN THAT'S THE WAY THAT STAFF WILL HEAD.

GOT IT. OKAY, VERY GOOD QUESTIONS.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS? COUNCILMAN BURT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

I'M GOING TO WITHHOLD DIRECTION OR DISCUSSION, THOUGH, BECAUSE I WANT TO HEAR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE'S QUESTIONS ARE, AND THAT MAY IMPACT HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.

I EMAILED THESE TO STAFF AHEAD OF TIME.

I KNOW SOME MIGHT BE A TAG IN FROM YOU OR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

THE FIRST IS I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT PEDESTRIAN INCIDENTS OTHER THAN DEATHS.

WE'VE HEARD ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR INCIDENT A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES NOW, BUT OTHER OTHER TIMES PEDESTRIANS HAVE COME INTO CONFLICT WITH AUTOMOBILES IN THIS STRETCH.

AND DO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION? YES, SIR. THE INFORMATION I RECEIVED FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOWS THE PED CYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIAN INCIDENTS FROM ALONG BELLE AVENUE BETWEEN MINGO AND UNIVERSITY DRIVE.

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SO THERE HAVE BEEN SEVEN INCIDENTS SINCE JANUARY 1ST OF 2012.

IS THERE A WAY TO DIAL THAT? I MEAN, IF WE TAKE MINGO AND UNIVERSITY AND WE CONSIDER THOSE INTERSECTIONS, THAT'S GOING TO KIND OF POP OUR NUMBER UP JUST A LITTLE BIT? I WOULD I WOULD ASSUME, BECAUSE THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC THERE.

DO WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT DIAL IT IN MORE JUST TO THE CAMPUS? I KNOW THAT THAT ONE 550 FOOT SECTION MIGHT BE ASKING A LOT, BUT THERE ARE NOT, ACCORDING TO THE REPORTED ADDRESS LOCATIONS AND THE INTERSECTING ADDRESS. LOCATION ONE IS AT BELL AND TEXAS, ONE IS AT 380 IN BELLE MCKINNEY AND BELL 380 AND BELLE WITHERS IN BELL, WHICH IS SOUTH OF THIS LOCATION. BELL AND MCKINNEY AND MCKINNEY AND BELL.

SO NONE OF THEM WERE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS CORRIDOR.

SO SURE, WE HAD TEXAS AND WITHERS.

SO THAT'S THAT'S TWO THAT ARE KIND OF INTO THE CAMPUS FOOTPRINT A LITTLE BIT, REALLY.

TEXAS WITHERS IF WE'RE BEING GENEROUS.

AND THOSE, OF COURSE, ARE JUST THE REPORTED ONES, RIGHT? THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE SOMEBODY WITH A NEAR MISS THAT DOESN'T NEED TO CALL POLICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S JUST REPORTED INCIDENTS, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M NEVER GOING TO QUITE UNDERSTAND IT THE SAME WAY THAT YOU ALL DO.

BUT CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT GO INTO THAT TRAFFIC STUDY? AND THEN ALSO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A HYPOTHETICAL TRIP THAT IS ONLY GOING TO BE ONE MINUTE LONGER WITH THIS CLOSURE, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND A TRIP THAT STARTS IN THE BELLE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ENDS AT DENNIS FARM SUPPLY ONLY BEING A MINUTE LONGER.

SO WHAT? WHAT TRIP IS IT THAT IS ONLY A MINUTE LONGER IN THIS SCENARIO? SURE. SO LET ME GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE AND THEN I'M GOING TO READ TO YOU FROM THAT.

SO KEEP IN MIND THE WAY THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT OUR TEAM WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR.

SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY YOU'RE REFERENCING IS A PREVIOUS TRAFFIC STUDY.

SO I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

THE TRAFFIC STUDY RESULTS FROM THAT FALL 2019.

IT LOOKED AT 21 INTERSECTIONS.

IT EVALUATED IT BASED ON BELL AVENUE BEING OPEN TO PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE AND EMERGENCY TRAFFIC BETWEEN CHAPEL AND ADMINISTRATION.

SO WHAT IT DOES IS IT'S EVALUATING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THE VEHICLES TRAVELED IN THAT ENTIRE AREA.

AND THE EVALUATION OF ACTUALLY CLOSING THAT CORRIDOR SHOWS THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO TRAVELING MOVEMENTS OR VEHICLES TRAVELED PER DAY IN THAT AREA UNTIL 2045.

AND WE TYPICALLY USE LEVEL OF SERVICE IS THE CATEGORY.

THE ONE MINUTE THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES IS BACK FROM A STUDY.

I WAS NOT AT THE CITY AT THIS TIME, SIR.

IT WAS DURING 2016.

IT WAS DONE WITH PREVIOUS STAFF.

I WANT TO READ THE TWO STATEMENTS TO YOU BECAUSE I THINK THIS WILL HELP ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTION.

IT SAYS THE CURRENT ESTIMATED TRAVEL TIME FROM MINGO ROAD TO UNION UNIVERSITY DRIVE ALONG BELLE AVENUE DURING THE WEEKDAY P P M PEAK HOUR IS 4 MINUTES.

THE ESTIMATED TRAVEL TIME BETWEEN THESE TWO POINTS, IF NO ALTERNATIVE ROUTE IS PROVIDED IS 5 MINUTES, WHICH ADDS ONE ADDITIONAL MINUTE USING EITHER ELM, LOCUST OR RUDEL.

SO INSTEAD OF GOING UP THE BELL AVENUE CORRIDOR IS SAYING IF YOU WERE TO TAKE LOCUST OR TO TAKE RUDEL, IT ADDS APPROXIMATELY ONE MINUTE.

SO WE'D SAY DIFFERENCE IN A FOUR MINUTE TRAVEL, ADDING IT TO MAKING IT 5 MINUTES.

THAT'S BASED ON A STUDY WITH THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE DONE BACK IN 2016.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT BEGINS TO.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS AND I PROMISE I'M NOT TRYING TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE.

I'M REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT.

POINT TO POINT BETWEEN THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS.

IF MY DESTINATION IS FROM THE INTERSECTION OF BELL AND 380 TO THE INTERSECTION OF BELL AND MINGO FOR FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE OF MY TRIP.

IT IS. IT'S A POINT SAYING POINT EIGHT, FIVE MILES INSTEAD OF THE ONE ADDITIONAL MINUTE ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL ROUTE.

SO INSTEAD OF GOING FROM MINGO TO UNIVERSITY DRIVE ALONG BILL.

SO BASICALLY FROM THAT INTERSECTION, IT'S 4 MINUTES.

IF YOU WERE TO DIVERT AND GO FROM MINGO DOWN TO RODEL AND UP TO UNIVERSITY OR OVER TO LOCUST TO UNIVERSITY, IT'S SAYING BASED ON THIS TRAFFIC STUDY, IT'S ADDING ONE MINUTE OF TRAVEL.

RIGHT. BUT HERE'S MY QUESTION, NOT JUST TO UNIVERSITY, BUT BACK TO THE INTERSECTION.

IF MY DESTINATION IS RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION OF BELL AND UNIVERSITY OR RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF I THINK THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERN THAT WE HEARD ABOUT FROM FOLKS WHO LIVE KIND OF IN THE BELL HISTORIC AREA, REALLY JUST LOTS OF FOLKS BETWEEN 380 AND SHERMAN.

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THAT IS MY ASSUMPTION.

BASED ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

IT SAYS THE ESTIMATED TRAVEL TIME BETWEEN THESE TWO POINTS, IF NO ALTERNATE ROUTE IS PROVIDED, IS 5 MINUTES INSTEAD OF FOUR.

SO THAT IS MY ASSUMPTION.

OKAY. CAN YOU TELL US THE EXTENT TO WHICH WE'VE STUDIED OTHER OPTIONS THAT DON'T PRECLUDE AUTO TRAFFIC ON BELL PHYSICAL BARRIERS? AND I ASKED THIS QUESTION LAST TIME, AND TO BE PERFECTLY FRANK, DIDN'T RECEIVE A VERY SATISFACTORY ANSWER.

AND IF IT'S A UNIVERSITY QUESTION, IT'S A UNIVERSITY QUESTION.

BUT PHYSICAL BARRIERS THAT PUSH PEDESTRIANS OFF THE CURB AND TO APPROVED CROSSING CROSSWALKS, SIGNALIZED CROSSWALKS, INCREASED TRAFFIC CALMING AT INTERSECTIONS.

SO CARS ARE REALLY SLOWING DOWN EVEN BELOW THAT 20 MILES PER HOUR WHEN THEY GET TO THE CROSSWALKS.

TO WHAT EXTENT HAVE WE LOOKED AT OTHER OPTIONS? I WOULD SAY THAT THE INCREASED INTERSECTIONS OF ADMINISTRATION AND CHAPEL HAVE ADDED THE ADDITIONAL PEDESTRIAN ELEMENTS.

LIKE I MENTIONED, WHEN THE OVER HEAD WALKING WAS REMOVED.

AS FAR AS ANY OTHER BARRIERS TO KEEP PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING, SIR, THAT WE'VE EVALUATED.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER PLACES IN TOWN WHERE WE HAVE THAT RIGHT, LIKE WELCH THROUGH U.A., THEY'VE GOT PIPE FENCE.

NOT SAME PIPE FENCE IS THE BEST IDEA, BUT THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE 48 INCH PIPE PIPE FENCE THAT RUNS ALONG THE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THEY HAD A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE STEPPING OUT IN THE STREET. THERE ARE OTHER AREAS THROUGHOUT TOWN THAT THERE ARE FENCES SUCH AS THAT, WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS AT THE EDGE OF THE CURVE VERSUS HAVING THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE THE BACK OF THE CURB TO WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS.

SOMETIMES THERE COULD BE A FOOT GAP.

BUT IN AREAS WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS DIRECTLY ON TOP OF THE CURB OR THOSE TWO FACES MATCH EACH OTHER, THERE ARE AREAS THROUGH TOWN.

YES, SIR, THAT WE DO HAVE.

THERE'S ONE RIGHT OUTSIDE THE DOOR WE CAN ALMOST SEE.

SURE. AND MY LAST QUESTION.

THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME, MAYOR.

MY LAST QUESTION IS ABOUT FUNDING.

WHAT ARE THE IDENTIFIED FUNDING SOURCES FOR THIS AND WHAT'S THE COST PARTICIPATION? THE CW HELPING? IS IS THE CITY FOOTING THE BILL? HOW DOES THAT HAS THAT PROPOSED TO WORK? THE ESTIMATE TO DO THESE IMPROVEMENTS IS APPROXIMATELY $600,000.

KEEP IN MIND WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF CHANGES THROUGH COST IMPACTS WITH CONSTRUCTION AT THIS TIME.

AND I THINK THE OVERALL GOAL FOR THE CITY IS AND I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THIS, IS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH COUNCIL DIRECTION TO CLOSE THIS AREA.

REGARDLESS WHETHER THAT HAPPENS OR NOT.

THE CITY DOES HAVE A PROJECT TO EXPAND MINGO ROAD AND ALSO RUDEL.

AND WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF WHERE THE RAILROAD IS LOCATED ALONG MINGO AND WE CANNOT GO CLOSER WITH THE ROADWAY THAN IT ALREADY CURRENTLY IS BECAUSE OF THE ROADWAY AND THE CONFINEMENT OF THE ROADWAY AND THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE.

SO THERE WILL BE CONVERSATIONS AND ADDITIONAL NEEDS FROM T.W.

TO ASSESS THEIR AVAILABILITY OF THEIR LAND, TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY FOR ROADWAY ALONG NOT ONLY MINGO BUT ALSO ALONG ROUTE L.

I THINK I'M PICKING UP WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING DOWN THERE.

I'M NOT SURE I LIKE IT, BUT I THINK I UNDERSTAND IT.

NEW FINAL QUESTION HOW MANY PLASTIC BOLLARDS CAN WE BUY FOR 600,000 TO SEPARATE BIKE LANES FROM ROADS? I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER OFF THE TOP OF MY THOUGHT.

YES, SIR. ANYWAY, COUNCILMAN BURT, MY RECOMMENDATION WILL BE TO PROCEED, AND I'LL ASK QUESTIONS AND EXPLAIN WHY IT JUST SO HAPPENED THAT I WENT TO A CONFERENCE IN SAN ANTONIO A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND I THOUGHT WE WOULD BE RECOGNIZED BY OUR BADGES AND PEOPLE WOULD SEE DENTON.

AND THE FIRST THING THEY SAY IS, OH, I KNOW WHERE DENTON IS.

I HAVE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS UP THERE.

OH YEAH, I KNOW ABOUT UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS.

AND THAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, A FEW TIMES.

AND THEN I STARTED FEELING SOME TYPE OF WAY BECAUSE I'M A PIONEER WOMAN AND I WAS BECOMING I WAS BECOMING AWARE OF THE FACT THAT TEXAS WOMEN'S UNIVERSITY IS A PREMIUM SCHOOL, BUT THEY NEED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE THE VERY BEST THAT THEY CAN BE. AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO START GROWING EAST.

THEY'RE VERY ANXIOUS TO START USING THAT OLD GOLF COURSE OVER THERE FOR QUITE A FEW THINGS.

AND SO I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT AS AN ALUM.

BUT THE OTHER THING IS THAT THIS PROCESS.

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I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT SIX INCHES BETWEEN THE WHITE LINE AND THE GRASS WHERE I'VE SEEN PEOPLE WALK BIKE.

I'VE HAD TO GO AROUND PEOPLE.

I USE THAT ROAD LITERALLY EVERY DAY.

AND SO I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, THAT ROADWAY.

BUT AND ALSO RUDEL, I TAKE THAT TRIP EN ROUTE.

QUITE OFTEN GETTING TO INSTEAD OF GOING TO BAIL AND GOING UP TO 380, I TAKE RUDEL AND HIT 380 AND IT'S FAIRLY CONGESTED ON THAT ROADWAY.

AND I'M ALSO LOOKING FORWARD TO RUDEL BEING EXTENDED.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING SOMEWHERE ALONG IN THE PLANS TO EXTEND ROUTE OVER ACROSS MINGO IN SOME KIND OF WAY BUT I THINK THAT IF WE COULD IF WE CAN IF WE CAN DO THIS, IT'S GOING TO HIT THOSE TWO FACTORS.

WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING WITH OUR EAST WEST CORRIDORS IN DISTRICT ONE, BECAUSE I DO REPRESENT DISTRICT ONE, I'M ALWAYS JUST VERY DISSATISFIED GOING DOWN MINGO ROAD.

I'M DISSATISFIED GOING DOWN MCKINNEY STREET, MCKINNEY BETWEEN WOODROW AND TO 88 WITH, YOU KNOW, SEVEN, SIX OR SEVEN APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT HAVE KIDS.

I'M DISSATISFIED WITH SPENCER ROAD GOING OVER TO I'M DISSATISFIED WITH PARKER'S PAGE.

I CAN GO ON ABOUT THESE PARTICULAR ROAD THAT NEED ATTENTION IN MY DISTRICT.

BUT I'M REALLY, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE MINGO AREA AND THE RUDEL AREA.

AND I BELIEVE THAT IF WE COULD WORK COHESIVELY WITH TEXAS MONMOUTH UNIVERSITY, THEY ARE GOING TO BE GOOD PARTNERS OF OURS TO GET THAT ROUTE RAIL ROAD READY FOR ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC THAT WILL MOVE TO RUDEL AND THEN BACK UP TO MINGO.

WE'RE ALWAYS TAKING SHORTCUTS AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING DECISIONS.

WHICH WAY ARE WE GOING TO GO TO EVEN GET OVER THE HIGH 35? W THAT'S A HARD ONE TO GET ACROSS WHEN YOU LIVE WAY OVER ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN.

SO I'M FOR THIS.

I'M READY FOR US TO DO THIS.

I'M READY TO SUPPORT TEXAS WOMAN'S UNIVERSITY AND ITS MISSION AND ALL OF ITS GOALS.

I'M READY TO GET MINGO UP AND RUNNING THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD BE.

IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ROAD.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEY'RE PUTTING ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX UP ON OVERALL MINGO NEAR THE REDWOOD STREETS OVER THERE, THE REDWOOD PEOPLE, THE BIRDS ARE OVER THERE IN THAT AREA.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ALL ABOUT.

I'M READY TO BE A PARTNER WITH TEXAS WOMAN'S UNIVERSITY SO WE CAN GET THIS DONE.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I CAN'T DISAGREE OR ACTUALLY, I CAN'T AGREE STRONGLY ENOUGH WITH COUNCILOR BYRD ABOUT RUDEL AND MINGO IN THE SENSE THAT THAT'S THAT'S OUR OVERLAPPING TERRITORY AND WE SHARE THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, MY MY NEIGHBORHOOD IN NORTHEAST DENTON TRAVERSES THOSE CORRIDORS TO GET TO CENTRAL DENTON, NORTH CENTRAL DENTON. I USED TO BIKE DOWN THROUGH THOSE AREAS AND TAKE MY LIFE IN MY HANDS WHEN I WAS WORKING AT DEBUT.

MY MY PROBLEM IS WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE ELEMENTS OF OUR GRID PLAN ESTABLISHED, FIRST, FOREMOST AND REPAIRED, FIXED, READY TO GO, OR AT LEAST AGREEMENTS TO THAT EFFECT.

BECAUSE WE ARE A BELL WILL NEED TO BE AN ELEMENT OF THE THE DETOUR AND PRESSURE RELEASE SYSTEM, THE GRID SYSTEM THAT WILL COMPENSATE FOR SOME FUTURE WHEN WE MIGHT WANT TO EXPLORE LIMITING TRAFFIC ON MINGO OR EXCUSE ME BELL, BUT EVEN AS THE TABLE SHOW, WE'RE WE'RE NOT REALLY ESTABLISHING A BIKE CORRIDOR.

WE'RE WE'RE ESTABLISHING A BIKE CORRIDOR FOR 550 FEET.

THAT'S A COUPLE OF HUNDRED PEDALS AT BEST.

AND AND SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF WE WANT TO ESTABLISH A BIKE CORRIDOR, WHICH I ABSOLUTELY AGREED TO, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A BIKE CORRIDOR, NOT ONLY FROM UNIVERSITY TO QUAKERTOWN, BUT FROM FROM POTENTIALLY FROM WINDSOR TO EAGLE.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE OUTSTANDING, SOMETHING THAT MULTIPLE INSTITUTIONS, INCLUDING THE CITY T.W.

COULD GET BEHIND HAVING HAVING BIASED ACCESS FOR BIKE PED IN THIS CORRIDOR THAT REALLY ESTABLISHED US AS A SORT OF CROWN JEWEL IN NORTH TEXAS FOR, HEY, WE HAVE A LONG PLAY ON THIS.

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WE CAN'T REALLY BLOCK IT AT ADMINISTRATION.

THAT'S THE PRIMARY THOROUGHFARE FOR EAST WEST, ACROSS CAMPUS OR THE FUTURE.

WE CAN'T REALLY BLOCK DOWN BY THE SCOTT BROWN PROPERTIES AT TEXAS.

THOSE ARE DESIRE PATHS THAT WILL CONTINUE TO EXIST UNLESS WE HAVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE GRID MOBILITY STUDY AND PLAN TO INCLUDE ELM TO INCLUDE LOCUST.

MAYBE THAT'S TWO WAY. MAYBE IT'S NOT TO INCLUDE THOSE ENTRANCES AND EXITS OFF OF UNIVERSITY TO HAVE THE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF RODEL AND MINGO TO HAVE THAT THOSE COMPONENTS BE AVAILABLE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOP ALL THE WAY AROUND DENTON TO TO GO THE THREE MILES FROM FROM IDIOTS HILL NOTTINGHAM WOODS DOWNTOWN.

AND SO I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT WERE EMAILING US AND CONTACTING US AND RESPONDING TO YOUR SURVEY, THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, WE ALREADY LOVE THE BIG CYCLE, THE PATHS THERE.

SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT IS, IS IF WE HAD ADMINISTRATION, WHICH I REALIZE IS NOT OUR PROPERTY, IT BELONGS TO T.W., BUT IF THAT HAD A BIG BIKE MALL EAST WEST FROM OAKLAND TO RUDEL, IF BELL WAS A BIG BIKE MALL FROM AT LEAST UNIVERSITY TO SAY, TEXAS WITHERS, I THINK. AND WE HAD THAT KIND OF APPROACH THAT WOULD FEEL LIKE THE KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO THIS NORTH CENTRAL REGIONAL MOBILITY PLANNING THAT WOULD THAT WE COULD THEN KEEP IN PLACE TO PROMOTE SAFETY MAYBE WITH HOCK BEACONS AT WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE CHAPEL ADMINISTRATION OLD MAIN TEXAS AND OTHERS.

IF WE HAD HOT BEACONS WITH TEN SECOND RESPONSE TIMES, YOU KNOW MAYBE WE CAN WE THAT MAY BE SUFFICIENT TO BRING OUR VISION ZERO DOWN TO ZERO FOR THESE SEVEN ACCIDENTS.

SO I CAN SEE MYSELF CLEAR TO SHUTTING BELL DOWN AS THE SIXTH STEP TO A VERY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT INCLUDED THE ENTIRE REGION.

BUT I'M HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME SEEING THAT THE RIGHT SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM IS 550 FEET OF CLOSURE BETWEEN CHAPEL AND ADMINISTRATION.

THAT THAT FEELS LIKE A LACK OF COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING THAT WILL, BECAUSE OF ITS MERE EXISTENCE, END UP LIMITING OUR OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE FOR THE AREA AND NOT AND RESULT IN SOMETHING.

SORT OF HALF A IF I DON'T PUT THE REST OF THOSE LETTERS ON.

INSTEAD OF A FULL COMPREHENSIVE, HOLISTIC PLAN FOR THE REGION.

AND SO I WANT TO HEAR WHAT MAYBE I CAN BE SWAYED, BUT I FEEL SORT OF THIS CART BEFORE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.

I CAN'T TALK TODAY.

THIS CART BEFORE THE HORSE ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING.

I FEEL LIKE THIS SHOULD BE THE LAST STEP.

THEN WE VOTE TO CLEAR NOT THE FIRST STEP AND POTENTIALLY PRECLUDE OTHER DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN I WILL JUST SAY THAT IT IS.

I MEAN, EVEN IF WE WANT TO BE CRASS.

242 PEOPLE OUT OF 200 PLUS ALL THE CONTACTS ABSOLUTELY SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT US TO DO THIS.

SO NOW WE HAVE TO WEIGH WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE, REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS VERSUS THE PUBLIC BENEFIT.

AND IF I SAW THAT THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS PUBLIC BENEFIT, IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR ME TO FLIP THIS EQUATION AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M SORRY, NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, THAT I GET I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I NEED YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT I DID THIS FOR WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE GREATER GOOD IN THIS CASE, BUT I CAN'T QUITE GET TO THAT GREATER GOOD.

AND IT'S HARD FOR ME TO THEN SAY, WELL, IS YOUR I'M GOING TO GO AGAINST YOU.

I THINK THESE ARE THE QUANDARIES THAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH.

I THINK YOU CAN HEAR THAT I'M SORT OF IN FAVOR IN THE FUTURE, BUT NOT IN FAVOR WITH THIS PLAN AT THE MOMENT.

BUT I'D BE WILLING AND INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT THE REST OF COUNCIL SAID BEFORE I GAVE MY DIRECTION.

ANYONE ELSE? SO COUNCILWOMAN MAGUIRE.

THANK YOU. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BECK JUST SAID, BUT I THINK THAT I COME DOWN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.

I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT MAYBE WE'RE NOT DOING THIS IN THE ORDER THAT WOULD BE MOST IDEAL.

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MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE DON'T GIVE DIRECTION TO DO THIS TODAY, THAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WILL DRAG ON FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND WILL MAYBE, MAYBE NOT EVER HAPPEN, AND THAT THIS MIGHT BE A WONDERFUL WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS THAT THAT WE MIGHT MISS IF WE DON'T MOVE TODAY.

I MEAN, WE WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD THIS ISSUE.

THIS IS OUR THIRD WORK SESSION SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.

I THINK THERE WERE MORE BEFORE THAT IT.

PERHAPS THIS IS A RISKY APPROACH, BUT MY DIRECTION WOULD BE TO PROCEED WITH CLOSING BELL TO PRIVATE VEHICLE TRAFFIC.

I WOULD HOPE THAT WE, IN ADDITION TO MAINTAINING IT, ALLOWING IT TO REMAIN OPEN FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, THAT WE WOULD ALSO PERHAPS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE BE ABLE TO WORK WITH DCA TO HAVE IT OPEN TO TRANSIT.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S NOT CURRENTLY A TRANSIT THAT THAT USES THAT CORRIDOR, BUT THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THE FUTURE.

AND ULTIMATELY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO FOR ME IS IF SOMEBODY COMING FROM IDIOTS HILL TO DOWNTOWN OR IF SOMEBODY IS COMING FROM JUST NORTH OF THE TWU CAMPUS TO MINGO. THE LONG TERM GOAL NEEDS TO BE TO FACILITATE THOSE PEOPLE NOT DRIVING.

AND CLOSING BELL MAY BE THE PUSH THAT THAT WE NEED TO DO ALL OF THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA THAT NEED TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO FACILITATE PEOPLE IN IDIOTS HILL WHO ARE TRYING TO GET DOWNTOWN TO DO SO WITHOUT USING A CAR.

SO THAT'S MY DIRECTION.

ANYONE ELSE? WELL, I'M GOING TO SKIP COUNSELING.

MCGEE. AND ALONG THE LINES WITH MAYOR PRO TEM, I'M GOING TO RESERVE MY DIRECTION UNTIL AFTER EVERYONE HAS SPOKEN BECAUSE I REALLY WANT TO HEAR WHAT MR. WATSON MAYOR, WHERE YOU HAVE TO SAY.

SO JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

JUST HELP ME GET THERE.

IS BELLA THOROUGHFARE? BELL IS A THOROUGHFARE.

A THOROUGHFARE, THAT CONNECTOR.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ITS COST, BUT ON THE MOBILITY PLAN, I SHOULD KNOW THAT ANSWER.

ARTERIAL I WOULD I WOULD THINK IT'S NOT BUILT AS A TYPICAL ARTERIAL, BUT IT IS A A CONNECTOR STREET BETWEEN MINGO AND 380, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

YES. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE? COLLECTOR I'M BEING TOLD A COLLECTOR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

DO WE ALL AT THIS MOMENT TODAY, DO WE ALREADY HAVE A FORMAL AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH TWU TO OBTAIN SOME OF THEIR RIGHT OF WAY FOR RIDDELL AND MINGO TO EXPAND THOSE STREETS? NO, SIR. WE DO NOT HAVE A FORMAL AGREEMENT.

SO TRW IS A STATE INSTITUTION, RIGHT? YES, SIR. WE CAN'T JUST DO A THING THAT EVEN WE WANT IF WE'RE WORKING WITH THE STATE INSTITUTION.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

SO ESSENTIALLY, WE DEPEND ON THE PARTNERSHIP, THE CITY.

WE DEPEND ON THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH TWU.

SO. AND HAS THE VIEW SHOWED A WILLINGNESS TO BE GOOD PARTNERS WITH THE CITY AND A MYRIAD OF OBJECTIVES PROJECTS? I BELIEVE SO.

I DON'T KNOW, SIR, IF YOU KNOW.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

WE RELY ON OUR PARTNERSHIPS WITH ALL OF OUR FRIENDS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S THE COUNTY UNDER GW, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR NON-PROFITS.

AND SO IT'S FOR ALL OF THEM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP AND KNOW THERE'S NOTHING FORMAL, BUT THERE'S CERTAINLY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH RUDEL AND MINGO, WHICH IS GOING TO REQUIRE A BOND AND IT'LL TAKE SOME TIME.

SO, YOU KNOW, BUT THE IMPORTANCE OF A RELATIONSHIP IS CRITICAL, AN HONEST AND TRANSPARENT RELATIONSHIP.

THANK YOU. SO YOU GO.

YOU GET ON DOWN. YOU GO GO NORTH TOWARD 380.

SO I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYBODY KNOWS, BUT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG AND YOU HAVE THE SLIDE UP, THE THE NEW DINING HALL IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF BELL, WHEREAS IT USED TO BE ON THE WEST SIDE OF BELL IN THE BOTTOM FLOOR, THE BASEMENT OF THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

THE UNION. SO AND WE'VE GOT THE RESIDENCE TOWERS ON THE WEST SIDE.

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THAT'S CORRECT. MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY.

SO THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND HELP ME AS A NEW MEMBER OF COUNCIL.

PREVIOUS COUNCIL, MR. MAYOR, SET A GOAL OF MAKING SURE THAT SAFETY WAS SOMETHING THAT WE PRIORITIZED AS THE CITY.

RIGHT. SAFETY WAS THE NUMBER ONE GOAL IN THE MOBILITY PLAN, SIR, WAS THE NUMBER ONE GOAL.

ALL RIGHT, SO I GUESS SO.

HERE'S MY ONLY ISSUE.

I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR FOR ASKING THIS QUESTION.

OUR DIRECT BASED OFF OF OUR DIRECTION TODAY, WE WILL EITHER MOVE FORWARD OR NOT.

I, I REALLY WOULD WANT TO SEE A PUBLIC MEETING.

I REALLY WOULD WANT TO SEE A PUBLIC MEETING FOR THIS.

SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE, SOMETHING THAT WE INVITE THE RESIDENTS TO, YOU KNOW.

630 IN THE COUNCIL MEETING.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF WE GIVE DIRECTION TO SHUT THEM, THAT'S IT.

WE WON'T NEED A PUBLIC MEETINGS.

RIGHT. OR OR COULD WE GIVE DIRECTION TO PROCEED TO A PUBLIC MEETING? WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING. COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE YEAH, WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING.

49 PEOPLE SHOWED UP.

ALL RIGHT. YES, SIR.

I MEAN, WE HAVE OVER 100 THAT SIGNED UP.

I CAN'T CONTROL HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOW UP, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A VERY HIGH ATTENDANCE.

I WILL TELL YOU, ON PUBLIC MEETINGS, IF I GET FIVE PEOPLE, IT'S A FANTASTIC PUBLIC MEETING, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, SIR.

I APPRECIATE THAT. HAVING SAID THAT.

I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I WOULD LIKE.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS ON AN AGENDA FOR 630 MEETING WHERE WE CAN HAVE RESIDENTS COME.

WE CAN ALSO HAVE LUNCH AGAIN TO COME AND STATE THEIR CASE DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE SO WE CAN HAVE THAT VOLLEY BACK AND FORTH.

THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME.

I LIKE FOR THE RESIDENTS TO REACH OUT TO ME SO I CAN BE RESPONSIVE.

YOU KNOW, AS MAYOR PRO TEM SAYS, OFTENTIMES MAKE ME DO A THING.

SO THAT WOULD BE MUCH EASIER FOR ME.

SO BUT I REALIZE THAT SOME OF YOU ALL MIGHT MIGHT NOT WANT THAT.

AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY BEFORE I BEFORE I YIELD BACK, I HEARD MY FRIEND FROM DISTRICT THREE SAY THIS, AND I THINK I'M ALSO SMELLING WHAT'S IN THE AIR.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE TO PROTECT THIS RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE AS THE CITY MOVES FORWARD TO MAKING SURE THAT WE PRIORITIZE MOBILITY.

THINGS COULD BECOME DIFFICULT WITH OTHER INSTITUTIONS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE AS A CITY WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT RELATIONSHIP IS PROTECTED AND EVERYTHING THAT WE SAY AND DO, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT MATTERS TO ME.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL YIELD BACK AND THEN I'LL GIVE MY DIRECTION AFTER EVERYONE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN, WHAT'S.

THIS IS A VERY CURIOUS DISCUSSION.

SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD.

I'VE HEARD THAT IT'S BASED UPON HOW MANY PEOPLE COME OUT AND EXPRESS AN OPPOSITION AND THAT WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THEM.

WHEN I'VE SEEN SITUATIONS HAPPEN WHERE MANY PEOPLE HAVE COME OUT AND EXPRESSED AN OPPOSITION AND WERE IGNORED.

I REJECT AND I DON'T THINK COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS WAS IMPLYING THIS, BUT WHEN YOU SAID, I THINK I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE LAYING DOWN AND I DON'T KNOW IF I LIKE IT.

THE NOTION THAT SOMEHOW TEXAS WOMEN'S UNIVERSITY IS GOING TO LEVERAGE THIS SITUATION TO GET WHAT THEY WANT IS PREPOSTEROUS, BECAUSE IT IS US WHO ARE BASICALLY DENYING THE EXISTENCE OF A PARTNERSHIP THAT HAS EXISTED SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL SINCE 2007.

SO IS THERE SOME OPPORTUNITY AS GOOD PARTNERS TO SAY NEGOTIATIONS? IT'S ALL ABOUT INTERESTS AND NEEDS.

WE HAVE AN INTEREST.

WE HAVE A NEED. THEY HAVE AN INTEREST.

THEY HAVE A NEED. BUT SOME OF THESE ARGUMENTS AND SOME OF THESE RATIONALIZATIONS TO SAY IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN, I MEAN.

MAYOR PRO TEM, ONE OF YOUR FAVORITE TERMS IS DON'T SACRIFICE THE GOOD FOR THE PERFECT OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.

MY DIRECTION IS WE CAN MOVE FORWARD FULLY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE DON'T, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT TWU WILL EXERCISE WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO IN THE FUTURE TO BE GOOD PARTNERS. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? TO BE A GOOD PARTNER, YOU WANT TO HAVE A GOOD PARTNER.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS A WE'RE BEING EXTORTED.

WE'RE BEING IT'S NOT IT AT ALL.

I MEAN, THEY SIMPLY CAME WITH A REQUEST FIVE OR SIX YEARS, FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO.

EIGHT. AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, WHICH IS FINE.

IT DESERVES VETTING.

BUT IF PEOPLE THINK THEY'RE DRIVING FROM NORTH TO SHERMAN DRIVE.

THAT IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN, THAT THE THINGS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE TO CALM THE TRAFFIC.

TO PRESERVE PUT IN THESE BIKE THINGS, THESE BIKE LANES AND ALL THESE KINDS OF THINGS.

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I MEAN, I'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THEY DRIVE DOWN AVENUE C.

WELL, IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN AVENUE C, YOU HAVE THE PATIENCE OF JOB BECAUSE AVENUE C HAS NOTHING BUT PEOPLE CROSSING THE STREET EVERYWHERE THERE IS, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T GO THERE BECAUSE THEY KNOW YOU'VE GOT TO SLOW DOWN 15 MILES AN HOUR OR YOU'RE GOING TO HIT SOMEBODY.

AND AT EVERY INTERSECTION THERE'S A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING ON THE STREET, WHICH IS FINE.

SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS NOW.

IS THERE SOME MORE DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR? DOES THIS HELP US PUSH MINGO AND RUDEL FORWARD A LITTLE QUICKER? THAT'S ALL I'VE HEARD.

THAT'S ALL I'VE HEARD TALK ABOUT MINGO AND RUDEL.

MINGO AND RUDEL MINGO AND RUDEL.

WELL, THEN IT'S TIME WE GET OFF OFF OUR REARS AND DECIDE, IS THIS REALLY A PRIORITY OR IS IT NOT? SO WE CAN ALL KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT UNTIL WE REALLY SIT DOWN AND HAVE SOME PRIORITIES AND HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDINGS AND HAVE SOME INTERESTS THAT WE CAN BOTH SHARE THIS CONVERSATION, IT'S JUST GOING TO KEEP GOING.

AND THEN MINGO WILL BE PUT OFF.

RUDEL WILL BE PUT OFF.

IT'S A BOND PROGRAM, ALL THESE KINDS OF THINGS.

THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS TWU IS A GREAT PARTNER FOR THE CITY OF DENTON, AS WELL AS MANY OF OUR OTHER INSTITUTIONS.

NOT ONLY ARE THEY GOOD CIVIC AND SOCIAL PARTNERS, THE GOOD ECONOMIC PARTNERS, BECAUSE THEY BRING PEOPLE INTO THIS CITY WHO SPEND MONEY IN THIS CITY, WHO STAY IN THIS CITY, WHO BRING ALL THEIR EXPERIENCES OUT FROM AROUND THE WORLD TO COME TO THIS CITY.

SO I'M OKAY WITH THIS MOVING FORWARD.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HAVE THE DREADFUL KIND OF RESULTS THAT PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK IT WILL.

I THINK SOME OF THE BEST COMMENTS I'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE EMAILS I'VE RECEIVED IS, HEY, WHY DON'T WE BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT A COHESIVE, COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO THIS, NOT JUST THIS KIND OF ONE THING.

IF IF WE'RE NEEDING MINGO AND RUDEL TO HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING ON THAT, WELL, LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION.

I DON'T THINK T.W.

IS FEARFUL OF HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, IF I'M SITTING IN THAT CHAIR AND I HEAR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD.

AND I'M THINKING, WELL, GOSH, I THOUGHT WE I THOUGHT WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD PARTNERSHIP.

I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE OPEN TO DOING IT DIFFERENTLY.

WE'RE OPEN TO NOT DOING IT. I MEAN, WHO KNOWS? BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A BINARY CHOICE.

IT'S BEEN ON OR IT'S BEEN OFF.

AND WHENEVER YOU GET INTO THOSE SITUATIONS AND DECISION MAKING, YOU'VE LOST BECAUSE THERE'S NO ROOM TO MOVE.

SO I'M JUST SAYING, LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION.

MY DIRECTION IS I'M OKAY WITH THIS PLAN.

IF SOMEHOW THIS COUNCIL DOES NOT GIVE DIRECTION FOR THIS PLAN, I'M OKAY WITH THAT TOO.

I THINK THIS WOULD BE A BETTER PLAN.

BUT I ALSO KNOW THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK AROUND AND WHEN IT COMES BACK AROUND, IT'S GOING TO COME BACK AROUND IN A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT.

AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT, TOO, BECAUSE I TRUST IN THE PARTNERSHIP.

IF WE WANT A GOOD PARTNER, WE HAVE TO BE A GOOD PARTNER.

SO I JUST REALLY WANT TO SAY AGAIN IN CLOSING, THIS NOTION THAT SOMEHOW T.W.

IS GOING TO LEVERAGE THIS AND BE A BAD ACTOR AND TRY TO EXTORT FROM THE CITY OF DENTON SOMETHING OUT OF RETRIBUTION FOR WHATEVER DECISIONS MADE HERE TODAY, I JUST CATEGORICALLY REJECT, BECAUSE I'VE WORKED WITH THAT INSTITUTION AND SPECIFICALLY THE LEADER THAT'S CURRENTLY THE LEADER OF THAT INSTITUTION FOR TOO LONG TO UNDERSTAND HER INTEGRITY, THE INTEGRITY OF THE STAFF, THE INTEGRITY OF THE BOARD OF REGENTS.

SO WHATEVER THE REASON, RATIONALE IS THINKING THAT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SAID THAT HERE, BUT IT JUST SOUNDED JUST A LITTLE IT JUST SOUNDED A LITTLE WEIRD AND I NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT I AT LEAST ADDRESSED IT.

SO MY DIRECTION IS WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL PROVIDE US WITH A GREATER ACCELERATION OF WHAT FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY AT THIS TABLE, WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR MINGO AND RUDELL.

AND IF THAT'S TEN YEARS OFF, THAT'S OUR BAD.

I MEAN, THAT'S OUR BAD. SO, MAYOR, THANK YOU, SIR.

I APPRECIATE YOUR INDULGENCE. YEAH.

SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE THESE BECAUSE WE'RE OVER TIME AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE HANDS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE I'VE NOT CUT ANYONE OFF YET, BUT THAT'S COMING.

SO HERE'S HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE FOR ME, JUST SO I CAN MAKE SURE I GIVE DIRECTION WITH THE MOST UP TO DATE INFORMATION.

AND IT'S FANTASTIC THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS PRESENTATION BECAUSE CORRECT ME WHERE I'M WRONG, YOU WE STOOD IN THIS VERY CHAMBERS NEXT TO US AND YOU EXPLAIN THAT SAFETY IS ALWAYS OUR TOP PRIORITY.

WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE IN PRIORITY ORDER AND SAFETY WAS DOWN LIKE NUMBER FOUR OR FIVE, RIGHT? YES, HER IS ACTUALLY NUMBER NINE, BUT WE MOVED IT TO ONE.

YEAH. AND SO WE MOVED IT TO ONE BECAUSE THIS COUNCIL, NOT AS IT'S CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED, THERE WAS MAYOR PRO TEM MELTZER WAS HERE AND I THINK COUNCILMEMBER ARMATURE WERE HERE, BUT

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AND THOSE PRESENTLY HERE SAID NO.

SOME OF US NOT ALL SAID NO, IT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR SAFETY TO BE THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF US.

WE NEED IT TO ALSO BE IN FIRST PLACE.

AM I RECALLING THAT RIGHT? SO, YES, SIR, THAT'S HOW IT WAS ADOPTED.

RIGHT. AND SO THEN WE COME TO THIS CONVERSATION AND IT'S VERY SIMPLE FOR ME.

WHAT IS THE SAFEST ROUTE FOR STUDENTS TO GO FROM ONE SIDE OF THE CAMPUS TO THE OTHER? AND I'LL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU I DIDN'T I DIDN'T WANT TO PAY FOR THE ZERO VISION ZERO PLAN.

YOU KNOW, I WAS A LATE ADOPTER, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE PAID FOR IT.

WE MADE IT A PRIORITY.

AND SO AS A BODY, JUST PART OF THE TEAM, YOU'VE GOT TO GO WITH THE TEAM.

AND THE TEAM SAID SAFETY FIRST UNTIL THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION COMES UP.

AND THEN SOMEHOW I DON'T KNOW THAT NOW WE'RE THE THE THE QUESTION IS SAFETY FOR PEDESTRIANS VERSUS CONVENIENCE FOR CARS.

RIGHT. AND SO IT'S LEFT ME KIND OF DISCOMBOBULATED AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING WE MADE IT SUCH A PRIORITY THAT WE YOU KNOW, WE WENT AROUND AND TO DO THOSE THINGS. SO THAT BEING SAID, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WITH THAT.

AND SO AND I JUST TOOK THESE STEP BY STEP BECAUSE I TOOK THE EMAILS FROM PEOPLE AND THEIR CONCERNS AND JUST WENT BY 11141 SO YOU AND IT COMES UP A TON, RIGHT? UNT HAS A STOP SIGN AT EVERY BLOCK, RIGHT.

YES, SIR. TWU HAS TO SIGNAL LIGHTS FOR THE ENTIRE STRETCH.

YES, SIR. RIGHT.

AND THEN SO THAT'S A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE IF YOU HAVE TO STOP EVERY INTERSECTION, EVERY BLOCK, VERSUS YOU GET PAST THAT LIGHT AND ADMINISTRATIVE, YOU GET TO GO RIGHT TO CHAPEL.

YEAH. AND SO AND SO THAT'S THAT'S CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME IS AND I WANT TO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS, RIGHT.

YOU SHOWED THE MAP OF PRIVATE STREETS, RIGHT? YES, SIR. AND.

UNT HAS PRIVATE STREETS.

RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S BUT DOES FOR EXAMPLE, DOES PETERBILT HAVE ITS OWN PRIVATE STREET.

RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S UNIQUE TO HAVE YOUR OWN PRIVATE STREET IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN.

RIGHT. BECAUSE. THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH. I SAY THAT, TOO. I ACTUALLY WAS UNAWARE OF SOME OF THESE STREETS ACTUALLY BEING PRIVATE UNTIL WE DID THIS EXERCISE, SIR.

AND I SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD SAY, HEY, THERE, THERE ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN ANYONE ELSE OR THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER.

WELL, FRANKLY, THEY'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

RIGHT. AND SO I'M EVALUATING THAT TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

IT'S LIKE, OKAY, GREAT, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND THEN YOU TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WANTING TO PUT ON BARRIERS.

NOW, THE ONE REFERENCE TO WELD STREET, I HAD TO LOOK THAT UP BECAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN REMEMBER IT.

BUT IT'S IT'S FORGIVE ME FOR NOT FOUR BLOCKS, FOUR BLOCKS ON.

WELL IT'S THERE'S A LOW FENCE.

RIGHT. AND SO OKAY, I CAN SEE THAT RIGHT.

I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE TO GO DRIVE THAT, SIR.

I'M NOT AWARE OF THE AREA.

YEAH, IT'S REALLY FOR THE CARS.

IT'S NOT REALLY I MEAN, IT'S FOR PARKING AND SEPARATING.

BUT I AM AWARE OF THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT OUTSIDE THE DOOR.

YEAH, IT'S IT'S.

IT'S THERE. IT'S FOUR BLOCKS.

IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE STREET.

BUT I TAKE THAT.

BUT WE HAVE BARRIERS ON THE HIGHWAY AND PEOPLE JUMP ACROSS THOSE AND RUN ACROSS, RUN ACROSS THE HIGHWAY.

SO IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO ACROSS BARRIERS, THERE'S NO BARRIER ON THE PLANET THAT'S GOING TO KEEP ME FROM CROSSING.

SO I DON'T I DON'T FIND REFUGE THERE.

BUT THEN HELP ME UNDERSTAND.

SO HICKORY STREET AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG BELL IS IN ITS ENTIRETY, BUT HERE'S WHERE I LANDED ON.

IT'S A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE THAT'S, HEY, PEOPLE HAVE TO USE THIS ROAD.

HOW LONG WAS BELL CLOSED? APPROXIMATELY A YEAR.

RIGHT. SO WE'RE WORKING ON HICKORY STREET.

DID WE CLOSE THE ENTIRETY OF HICKORY STREET OR DO WE CLOSE SEGMENTS? NO, SIR. WE CLOSED SEGMENTS OF HICKORY STREET.

SO IN THE CENTER OF U AND T WHERE HICKORY RUNS, WE DIDN'T CLOSE THAT ENTIRE WE CLOSED SEGMENT SO PEOPLE COULD GET AROUND.

THAT'S CORRECT. BUT AT TWU, WE CLOSE THE ENTIRE STRETCH.

YES, SIR. RIGHT.

AND SO. WHAT OTHER MAJOR ROAD HAVE WE CLOSED THE ENTIRE STRETCH OF SINCE YOU'VE BEEN AND THAT YOU CAN RECALL, CAROL.

LOCUSTS? I CAN'T RECALL ONE.

I'M LOOKING TO SEE IF ANYONE ELSE IS GIVING ME FEEDBACK.

NO, SIR. I CAN'T RECALL ONE.

RIGHT. SO NO MAJOR STREET.

SO EITHER IT'S NOT A MAJOR STREET OR IT'S THE LUCKY WINNER.

MAJOR STREET THAT GETS CLOSED.

RIGHT. SO I PROCESSED THROUGH THAT.

OKAY, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE. IF IT'S A MAJOR STREET, HOW CAN WE CLOSE IT FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR? RIGHT? BECAUSE WE WOULD NEVER CLOSE, CAROL, FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR FOR ANY STRETCH.

RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE ABSOLUTE CHAOS.

THAT'S CORRECT. LOCUST, SAME THING.

WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON LOCUST AND AND WE'VE NEVER CLOSED THE ENTIRE THING.

AND SO THAT WAS NOTEWORTHY TO ME AGAIN, JUST AND THEN I LOOKED AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOODS POINTS ARE VALID TO TO THE NORTH OF UNIVERSITY DRIVE.

I THINK THEY'RE VALID. BUT I ALSO THINK JUST AND I'VE JUST PLUGGED IT IN GOOGLE MAPS, I'M OFF A BIT, BUT IT'S SIX MINUTE WALK FROM BELL TO ELM STREET THAT'S WALKING.

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AND I'D BE ABSOLUTELY FOR TIME IN THE LIGHT TO MAKE A RIGHT, TO MAKE IT FASTER, TO GET DOWN TO TO ELM STREET SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE TWO LANES AT 35 MILES PER HOUR DOWN TO DOWNTOWN, DOWN TO MCKINNEY STREET.

I ABSOLUTELY THINK THERE ARE SOME SOME COMPREHENSIVE THINGS WE CAN DO AROUND THERE TO TO MAKE THAT DRIVE EASY.

AND I AND I'VE HEARD FROM THE SAME PEOPLE THAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS THEIR CONCERNS.

AND I RECEIVE THAT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I GIVE IT ITS WEIGHT.

BUT AGAIN, THIS BODY SAID SAFETY IS FIRST.

AND IF PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH THE FOCUS ON SAFETY OR DISAGREE WITH MY ANALYSIS ON SAFETY AND THAT EFFECT THE EFFECTS OF THAT, I, I RECEIVE THAT AND I UNDERSTAND THOSE CONCERNS.

AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING IS SO AVENUE A RIGHT RIGHT WHERE IT CONNECTS TO FERRAR STREET.

WE CONVERTED THAT TO ONE WAY.

I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHY WE IT USED TO BE TWO WAY, BUT WE CONVERTED IT TO ONE WAY FOR SAFETY FOR THE BICYCLE LANE.

AS AM I RIGHT? YES.

NO, NO, NO.

IT WAS VISION. IT'S EASIER.

IT WAS CONFLICTS WITH THE BICYCLE LANE BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING IN THE BICYCLE LANE WITH THE PROTECTED LANES AND IT'S EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO SEE VERSUS GOING BOTH WAYS AND THEY CAN'T SEE. AM I WRONG? I BELIEVE YOU'RE CORRECT.

I WAS NOT HERE AT THE TIME THAT ACTUALLY WAS PUT IN.

BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT THERE IS A BIKE LANE ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.

RIGHT. AND WE REMOVED THE PARKING.

SO IT'S NOT ABOUT PARKING.

WE REMOVED ALL THAT PARKING ALONG THERE.

THAT'S WHERE THE BIKE LANE IS.

SO WE WIPED OUT THE PARKING THERE AND WIPED OUT THE THE, THE PARKING SPACES ON THE SIDE OF ON THAT SOUTH SIDE OF HICKORY.

I THINK I'M RIGHT, BUT I HAVE NO WORRIES EITHER WAY.

I WASN'T HERE WHEN THAT HAPPENED IN THE MIDDLE OF A UNIVERSITY.

WE MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE MADE DRASTIC CHANGES FOR SAFETY FOR THAT BIKE LANE SO THAT PEOPLE COULD SEE TRAFFIC COMING AND WE ADDED TO PROTECTED LANE.

I COULD BE WRONG IN MY RECOLLECTION, BUT BUT THAT'S HOW I HAVE IT.

AND THEN. YEAH.

NO. AND THEN I JUST LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

JUST THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED WAS HELPFUL WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE DOTS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

BUT I'M JUST SAYING, WHEN I LOOKED AT THOSE, IT'S THE CORE OF THE CITY THAT THE CORE OF THAT UNIVERSITY FOOTPRINT, IF YOU WILL, IS GREEN.

THOSE TO THE NORTH ARE RED.

I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THE THE UNCERTAINTY OF THAT.

BUT BUT AGAIN, SINCE OUR LAST CONVERSATIONS, HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY QUESTIONS ON EITHER TRAFFIC STUDY, THE OLD ONE, THE NEW ONE THAT ARE GONE UNANSWERED, OR ANY ERRORS THAT HAVE BEEN POINTED OUT IN PEOPLE'S ANALYSIS OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY? NO, SIR. I DID RECEIVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT CAME FROM COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS THAT WE WORK TO ADDRESS TODAY.

WE HAVE BEEN ASKED DURING THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WAS HELD ON OCTOBER SIX, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE ONE MINUTE, AND THAT WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS ACTUALLY PERFORMED PRIOR TO THE ONE THAT WE DISCUSSED DURING THE CONVERSATION.

BUT NOTHING ELSE HAS COME UP.

RIGHT. SO SO NO FINDINGS IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY LIKE AHA, WE MISSED THIS OR THAT'S POINTED OUT TO BE AN ERROR.

YES SIR. YEAH. YEAH.

AND SO WE'VE AND SO WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR A WHILE AND THAT'S, AND THAT WAS MY COMMENT LAST TIME WAS HEY LET'S ATTACK THE DATA, LET'S ATTACK THE INFORMATION.

NOT A HUNCH THAT I THINK IT'LL TAKE LONGER I SUPPOSE.

RIGHT. BUT LET'S ATTACK THE ASSUMPTIONS IN THE STUDY AND DO ONE ON ONES AND FIGURE THOSE THINGS OUT.

AND, AND THAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO SEE.

BUT YEAH, SO I THINK THAT THE COMPARISONS TO YOU AND T AND TWU ARE INACCURATE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, AND I'LL JUST INVITE ANYONE TO LOOK AT TEXAS WOMANS AND LOOK AT THE GREEN SPACE ON GOOGLE MAPS AND THEN LOOK AT THE GRID AND THE SOLID ALTERNATIVES.

ALTERNATE WAYS TO TRAVEL UNDER DT, BUT THEN ALSO LOOK AT THE STOP SIGNS AT EVERY CROSSING.

AND SO FOR ME, I JUST PROCESS THROUGH THOSE CONCERNS QUESTIONS AND I CAN'T I CAN ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE IN MY MIND AND SPEAK TO THOSE AND UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, BUT ULTIMATELY WHERE I LAND.

IS THIS THE QUESTION BEFORE ME IS, IS IT SAFER? I DON'T CARE IF IT'S ONE PERSON, RIGHT? JUST FULL DISCLOSURE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND MY MATH.

I DON'T WANT ONE PERSON TO BE IN CONFLICT OR TRY GOING TO BOO AT THE U.

AND UNDERSTAND THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE ON THAT CAMPUS OR THE NEXT TIME THE GYMNASTICS TEAM WINS IS ON THE WAY TO THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP OR THERE'S 14,000 STUDENTS ON THAT CAMPUS.

SO MY NUMBER IS ONE, RIGHT? OUR VISION IS ZERO.

I'M WORRIED ABOUT ONE.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, MY QUESTION THE QUESTION BEFORE ME IS, IS IT SAFER FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TO CROSS BELL WITH

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THIS COUNCIL SAID SAFETY FIRST, VISION ZERO.

THAT WAS OUR FOCUS, SAFETY.

AND IT IS SAFER TO HAVE THIS ADJUSTED AND AND HAVE THIS ENHANCEMENT AND THEN LOOK AT THE HOW WE CAN MAKE EVERYONE ELSE WHOLE AROUND THAT.

BUT FOR PEDESTRIANS ON TEXAS WOMAN'S UNIVERSITY, IT IS SAFER TO HAVE THIS.

SO THAT'S MY DIRECTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD, MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT, AND TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR FUTURE LEADERS THAT GO TO TEXAS WOMAN'S UNIVERSITY TO CROSS ACROSS THAT STREET VERSUS PUT IN STOP SIGNS.

EVERY BLOCK, HAWK SIGNALS, EVERY BLOCK, ALL THOSE THINGS.

IT'S JUST THAT I BELIEVE, TO BE SAFER.

I BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE DIRECTION OF THIS COUNCIL, TO FOCUS ON IT.

AND SO THAT'S MY FOCUS SAFETY AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, AND THIS IS A WAY TO ACHIEVE THAT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S MY DIRECTION.

COUNCILWOMAN DAVIS, YOU'VE BEEN WAITING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE IN THE LIGHTNING ROUND.

SURE. CAN I HAVE SLIDE EIGHT, PLEASE? THANK YOU. SO, MAYOR, I'M GOING TO PICK UP WHERE YOU LEFT OFF AND WHERE COUNCIL MEMBER WHAT'S LEFT OFF? IF IT'S A10 BINARY CHOICE, YOU ARE ALREADY IN THE WRONG DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

THIS IS NOT SAFETY VERSUS NOT SAFETY.

THIS IS CAMPUS BEAUTIFICATION VERSUS NOT CAMPUS BEAUTIFICATION.

I HAVE THE RESPECT I HAVE FOR THIS INSTITUTION AND FOR ITS LEADERSHIP CANNOT BE OVERSTATED.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO DISSEMBLE.

I'M GOING TO SPEAK FRANKLY.

I SAID WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE THE QUID PRO QUO AND WHETHER THERE IS ONE OR NOT, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT HAD THIS CONVERSATION.

WITHOUT THAT RIGHT OF WAY COMING UP.

NOT FROM US AND NOT FROM GW STAFF HAS SAID, REMEMBER, FOLKS, THERE'S A RIGHT OF WAY CONVERSATION TO BE HAD LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD.

IT COMES UP EVERY SINGLE TIME.

THE FIRST TIME WE HEARD THE NUMBER, 600,000 WAS TODAY.

THIS CONVERSATION HAS NOT UNFOLDED IN THE WAY THAT IT NEEDED TO.

IF WE NEEDED TO HAVE A CLOSED SESSION ABOUT IT, IF WE NEEDED TO KIND OF FULLY FLESH OUT WHATEVER ISSUES THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN THE PARTNERSHIP, WHICH I BELIEVE IT'S A STRONG PARTNERSHIP, REGARDLESS OF HOW TODAY GOES.

AND I THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE GOOD FAITH CONVERSATIONS ABOUT RIGHT OF WAY, REGARDLESS OF HOW THE DAY GOES.

I APPRECIATE YOU NOT READING MORE IMPLICATION INTO MY WORDS THAN THAN I INTENDED, BUT.

WHEN WE LOOK WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS PROJECT, TWU HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO ITS STUDENTS.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CROSS ANY CITY BLOCK WHEREVER YOU CHOOSE WHEN THERE ARE CROSSWALKS PROVIDED.

THERE'S A RESPONSIBILITY TO CROSS WHERE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO.

IT'S THE TAXPAYERS ROAD.

WE'RE IN CHARGE OF THE TAXPAYERS MONEY.

THE BEST WAY FOR US TO USE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY IS TO ASK OUR PARTNER TO INSTALL NICE BARRIERS, SOMETHING THAT LOOKS NICER THAN A GLOWING LIGHT SABER. CROSS BUCK.

A NICE CHAIN AND BOLLARD DOWN BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE CURB, A NICE ROW OF PLANTS, SOMETHING THAT BLOCKS THE PEDESTRIANS AND AN ESTHETICALLY APPROPRIATE WAY FROM CROSSING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK.

BEFORE WE GO STRAIGHT TO THE NUCLEAR OPTION OF NO CARS EVER FOR THIS ONE STRETCH OF ROAD.

THIS HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US.

THE FALSE DICHOTOMY THAT WE'RE PRESENTED WITH IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO INCREASE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, AND IF YOU DON'T DO IT, THEN PEDESTRIANS ARE NOT GOING TO BE SAFE.

THAT IS NOT TRUE.

THERE ARE MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE MEASURES THAT CAN BE TAKEN THAT ARE NOT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO UNDERTAKE.

WE CAN OPERATE A SAFE ROADWAY FACILITY WITH HELP FROM OUR PARTNERS AT TWU.

IF THEY MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS AND WE MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS SHUTTING DOWN THE STREET.

IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE, THE MOST INTRUSIVE, AND FRANKLY.

THE LEAST LOGICAL WAY TO ATTACK THIS PROBLEM.

IF THIS 550 FEET GETS SHUT DOWN, IT'S THE SAME PROBLEM.

THE NEXT 550 FEET DOWN, THE NEXT 550 FEET DOWN.

WE'RE. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE IT BELIES THE MOTIVATIONS BEHIND THIS.

IT BELIES THE CONVERSATION WE REALLY NEED TO BE HAVING.

THIS IS NOT A MEASURE SOLELY ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.

THIS IS A MEASURE ABOUT CAMPUS BEAUTIFICATION.

AND THAT IS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

THAT IS NOT OUR TAXPAYER'S RESPONSIBILITY.

IT IS NOT OUR TAXPAYERS RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP CARS OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF THIS CAMPUS.

WE HAVE OVER THE YEARS CLOSED PORTIONS OF CHESTNUT AND AVENUE B AND AVENUE A, ALL OF THAT IS CAMPUS THAT FILLED IN.

WE'VE OVER THE YEARS CLOSED ROADS AND THE TRW CAMPUS FOR CAMPUS TO FILL IN, NOT FOR A DIFFERENT KIND OF ROAD TO FILL

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AND BY THE WAY, AND WE'VE DONE IT FOR THE ISD.

WE CLOSED LINDEN YEARS AGO FOR PART OF THEIR CAMPUS TO FILL IN FOR THE ACTUAL USE OF THE STUDENTS AND NOT NOT JUST VERY DIFFERENT TYPE OF ROAD THAT I'M GOING TO SUBMIT IS ESTHETICALLY LESS LESS SATISFYING THAN A NICE BELL AVENUE THAT WE HAVE NOW.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS ACCOMPLISHES ANY OF THE GOALS THAT IT PURPORTS TO.

I DON'T THINK IT SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASES PEDESTRIAN SAFETY OVER SOME OF THOSE OTHER LESS COSTLY MEASURES THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALSO GIVE OUR TAXPAYERS ACCESS TO THE ROAD THAT THEY PAID FOR IN THE FIRST INSTANCE.

I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS.

I CAN SUPPORT ANY NUMBER OF OTHER OPTIONS THAT I HAVE MENTIONED AD NAUSEAM, AND NO ONE HAS GIVEN ME COST ESTIMATES.

NO ONE HAS TOLD ME WHY THEY DON'T WORK.

NO ONE HAS TOLD ME. THERE'S A STUDY THAT SAYS OVER HERE AT THIS UNIVERSITY, THEY DID ALL THOSE THINGS, BY THE WAY, THE SAME THINGS THAT OUR ENGINEERS TELL US THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING ON SOME OF OUR MAJOR ROADS.

AND THEY DIDN'T WORK.

WE HAVE HAD. ONE GOAL IN MIND IS THAT TO HAVE AND THAT'S BEEN TO HAVE THIS PLAN, THE SAME ONE THAT'S BEEN BEFORE US TWICE NOW WITH NO AMENDMENTS.

I CANNOT SUPPORT IT.

IT'S NOT THE RIGHT CHOICE.

THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.

ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? YEAH. SO.

THAT WAS. ALMOST 5 MINUTES IF WE CAN COME IN UNDER THAT.

IT'D BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WILL BE BRIEF BECAUSE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCILOR DAVIS ENDED UP ON IN TERMS OF THE COST ASSESSMENTS AND THAT COUNCILOR, WHAT'S ADDRESSED IN TERMS OF A LARGE MASTERPLAN AREA ARE THINGS THAT I LET ACTUALLY IN MY LONGER DIATRIBE.

SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE I NEED TO REVISIT THEM.

I, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY ARGUMENT HERE THAT SAYS MUCH AS COUNCILOR DAVIS SAID, THAT WE CAN'T GET TO WHAT WHERE WE NEED TO BE WITH A MORE COST EFFECTIVE PLAN THAT DOESN'T MAINTAIN THE RIGHTS OF BOTH THE CITIZENS AND THE CAMPUS WITH LARGE PEDESTRIAN LANES OR BIKE PED LANES OR SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVE. WE'VE NOT SEEN THOSE ALTERNATIVES.

THEY'VE NOT BEEN DESCRIBED IN ANY WAY.

WE ARE GETTING TO A FALSE BINARY AND AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WHEN WE GET TO THE FALSE BINARY TO TO CAST ASPERSIONS ABOUT THE MOTIVES OF FOLKS. THERE'S BEEN NO ONE ON THIS DAIS THAT SAID THAT TRW IS NOT A GOOD PARTNER, THAT THEY HAVE ULTERIOR MOTIVES IN MIND.

THAT HAS NEVER ONCE BEEN SAID BY ANYONE.

AND IN FACT, IT ABSOLUTELY CAN'T BE SAID BY ME.

I'M I'M A 32 YEAR OLD OR 32 YEAR CAREER ACADEMICIAN THAT USED TO WORK FOR D.W..

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S JUST PATENTLY FALSE THAT MY RESISTANCE TO THIS IS BASED ON SOME SORT OF CONCEPT OF EXTORTION OR ULTERIOR MOTIVES.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S WHAT WAS BEING IMPUGNED OR NOT, BUT IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SAID AT ALL.

THOSE. NO ONE SAID THAT ANYWHERE ON THE DAIS AT ALL.

PEOPLE WERE SIMPLY LOOKING FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH CERTAIN COUNCILORS THEMSELVES AND ADVOCATED FOR.

SO I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING TO CHANGE MY MIND ABOUT THIS.

I THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT STEP SIX, NOT A GREAT STEP ONE.

AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE LENDING DIRECTION TO THIS.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? LET ME GET TO COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'LL BE BRIEF AS WELL.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION FROM YOU ALL.

I DON'T NORMALLY GO INTO MOST DECISIONS WITH MY MIND MADE UP, BECAUSE I THINK THAT DISRUPTS THE THE DELIBERATIVE PROCESS OF THIS BODY.

THAT'S WHY I THINK LEGISLATIVE BODIES ARE SPECIAL, BECAUSE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN MINDED ON ALL ISSUES.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

HAVING SAID THAT, I'M GOING TO GIVE DIRECTION TODAY.

MY DIRECTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

IT'S NOT A GREAT CHOICE FOR ME, BUT MY DIRECTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS BECAUSE I VALUE THE PARTNERSHIP.

AND THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE TWU AND THE CITY HAS BEEN LONG STANDING AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

AND I APPRECIATE THE THE RELATIONSHIP THAT DR.

FADEN HAS WITH THE CITY AS WELL AS MANY OF US PERSONALLY.

I KNOW THAT WE ARE ALL GOING TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD IN GOOD FAITH.

SO I'M VERY HAPPY FOR THAT. AND IN TERMS OF THE COST OF BEL, I BELIEVE THAT THE PARTNERSHIP THAT T.W.

HAS WITH THIS CITY IS WORTH EIGHT TIMES WHAT THE CITY HAS PAID FOR BELL TO BE FIXED.

SO I'M REALLY APPRECIATIVE, APPRECIATIVE OF THAT, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT CAN CONTINUING.

AND I WILL ALSO SAY, MR. WATTS, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

BUT I AGREE WITH MAYOR PRO TEM OUT AHEAD OF THE SKIES A LITTLE BIT.

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I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN 2007, BUT IN ORDER TO HAVE THE DELIVERED TO PROCESS, WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME MORE RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE SOME OF US MIGHT NOT KNOW.

SO PLEASE ENGAGE IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH US BECAUSE ALL OF US WANT TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS POSSIBLE.

I WASN'T HERE IN 2007.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL DID IN 2007, BUT IN 2022, 2023, WE'RE ALL TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS.

SO I INVITE YOU. PLEASE COME BE PART OF THE COUNCIL AND HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH US SO WE CAN DO THE BEST JOB WE CAN.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. PLEASE GO BACK BRIEFLY.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A RIDICULOUS STATEMENT.

I AM PART OF THIS COUNCIL.

I DELIBERATE ON THIS COUNCIL, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I'LL TAKE IT.

MAYOR PRO TEM, IN NO WAY WAS OUR MEANING.

THOSE WORDS AIMED AT YOU.

SO IF YOU TOOK IT THAT WAY, THAT'S NOT.

THAT WASN'T MY INTENTION.

WASN'T TO IMPUGN ANY MOTIVE YOU HAD.

I'M JUST SIMPLY SAYING IT SEEMED LIKE SOME OF THE CONVERSATION WAS BEING SET UP, NOT DIRECTLY OR IMPLICITLY OR EXPRESSLY, BUT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT WORDS ABOUT WAYS HE HAS BEEN SET UP STAFF, I JUST WANTED TO DISPEL THAT WHOLE NOTION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT MINGO AND THIS ALTOGETHER. SO IF YOU TOOK IT THAT WAY, THAT WASN'T INTENDED THAT WAY.

SO I CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR ON THAT.

BUT AS FAR AS THIS ENGAGEMENT, COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE, I'M AS ENGAGED AS I CAN BE HERE, SIR.

SO I'M HERE, I'M DELIBERATING.

I DO HAVE A LOT OF HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE AND INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY, AND I BRING IT TO THIS DAIS EVERY TIME AND I SIT HERE.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I AM HERE.

AND AND I WILL BE HERE AND I WILL SHOW UP, AND I AM SHOWING UP.

ALL RIGHT, THAT IS EVERYONE.

YOU HAVE DIRECTION.

WE'RE GOOD, RIGHT? YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED.

I BELIEVE SO, SIR.

OUTSTANDING. YEP.

JUST TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE I PROMISE.

MACK. WE GET. WE HAVE FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS AS THEY MOVE FORWARD.

YES, THERE'S FIVE.

FIVE. OKAY, FIVE. SORRY.

VERY SORRY. THANK YOU. YEAH.

OH, GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, EVERYONE.

I'M GOING STRAIGHT TO ITEM.

[C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding electric vehicle charging infrastructure for the City of Denton. *[Council Priority; Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

THIS IS ID TWO, TWO, ONE, TWO, EIGHT.

TO RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE CITY OF DENTON.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNCIL SCOTT MCDONALD, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

I WILL BE BRIEF.

I KNOW THAT WE'RE A LITTLE BEHIND TIME.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING SOME OF THE OPTIONS AND WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE TO THE FUTURE.

I WANT TO START BY BRIEFLY JUST PROVIDING AN OVERVIEW FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING OR EV CHARGING.

ULTIMATELY, WHAT YOU SEE IS TERMED WITH THIS ONE IS A JUICE BOX.

SO ULTIMATELY THAT CAN PLUG INTO A RECEPTACLE.

THE OTHER END WOULD PLUG INTO A VEHICLE.

PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD.

THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.

THE EQUIPMENT VARIES.

SO WE HAVE A A LEVEL ONE, WHICH IS SIMPLE.

IT IS A IT CAN BE A 110 OUTLET PLUGS INTO A WALL, PLUGS INTO THE VEHICLE.

A LEVEL TWO ULTIMATELY GOES UP AND POWER FROM WHAT YOUR TYPICAL 110 RECEPTACLE TO SOMETHING MORE LIKE A DRYER OR A RANGE.

SO IT'S A 220 RECEPTACLE.

AND THEN WE HAVE DC FAST CHARGING, WHICH IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SETUP.

BUT YOU'LL SEE HERE REALLY THAT CONFIGURATION OF WHAT THOSE RECEPTACLES MAY LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THE PLUGS FOR THE VEHICLE MAY LOOK LIKE, WHICH THEY DIFFER AS WE TALKED THROUGH THOSE RATES.

SO AN AC LEVEL ONE, ULTIMATELY YOU GET 3 TO 5 MILES PER HOUR.

SO TRULY THAT'S AN OVERNIGHT CHARGE FOR A VEHICLE.

IT'S GOING TO BE THERE FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT A LEVEL TWO, WHICH IS THAT I THINK PREFERRED FOR FOR MANY INSTANCES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS OR EVEN SOME MULTIFAMILY APPLICATIONS, IT'S 20 OR 12 TO 60 MILES PER HOUR OF CHARGE.

SO ULTIMATELY IT MAY BE 4 TO 6 HOURS FOR CHARGING.

AND THEN A DC FAST CHARGE ULTIMATELY IS THAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT YOU WOULD SEE WITH LIKE A TESLA STATION OR SOMETHING THAT IS AGAIN A MUCH HIGHER GREATER THAN 100 AMPS SERVICE.

A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH VEHICLE SALES.

ULTIMATELY, THE US DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY PUT OUT SOME STATISTICS TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES, WHICH IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED.

AND WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF VEHICLES WHICH WOULD BE A HYBRID VEHICLE OR AN ALL ELECTRIC VEHICLE, AND WE'RE PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON THE ALL ELECTRIC VEHICLES AS WE TALK

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IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE OVER 16 MILLION VEHICLES THAT ARE THAT ARE SOLD IN THAT THAT REALLY EV IS MAKING UP LESS THAN 10% OF WHAT THAT SALES IS.

AND IF WE DISTILL THIS DOWN TO DENTON, DENTON HAS ROUGHLY 600 ELECTRIC VEHICLES REGISTERED IN THE CITY.

SO AS FAR AS JUST CURRENT REGISTRATIONS, THAT'S THAT'S APPROXIMATELY IT.

SEVERAL TERMS FOR YOU TO KNOW.

AS WE TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHARGERS, THERE ARE INTEGRATION OPTIONS.

SO WHAT YOU WILL HEAR IS EV CAPABLE.

SO EV CAPABLE MEANS THAT THERE IS A CIRCUIT THAT MIGHT BE ESTABLISHED, THERE WOULD BE A CONDUIT OR RACEWAY OR A MEANS TO TAKE THE WIRE AND THEN SOME PLACE TO HAVE A RECEPTACLE OR A CONNECTION FOR THAT EQUIPMENT.

EV READY IS, IS THAT THE BREAKER IS INSTALLED, THE WIRING IS INSTALLED AND THERE IS A RECEPTACLE THAT'S READY TO ACCEPT WHATEVER EQUIPMENT THAT MAY BE THAT WOULD PLUG INTO THAT.

AND THEN EV INSTALLED, WHICH WOULD BE MUCH MORE CHALLENGING IN MANY INSTANCES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS IS THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THE WIRING IN PLACE, THE BREAKER IS IN PLACE AND THERE IS CHARGING EQUIPMENT THERE THAT WORKS IN A COMMERCIAL APPLICATION OR MULTIFAMILY APPLICATION WHERE IT IS THAT YOU MAY HAVE A MULTITUDE OF OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF VEHICLES THAT ARE ABLE TO BE CHARGED.

SOME OF THE BASIC COSTS.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EV CAPABLE, JUST AS A REMINDER, THAT IS JUST IT BEING AVAILABLE TO BE WIRED FOR.

THERE'S A RACEWAY IN PLACE IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 100 AND $250 TO MAKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

EV CAPABLE.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BEING EV READY, IT VARIES AND IT CAN BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 300 AND THOUSAND $500.

NOW THE MINIMUM REALLY IS A A 40 AMP CIRCUIT.

WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT MOST APPLICATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO A 50 AMP NOT KNOWING NECESSARILY WHAT THE EQUIPMENT WOULD BE, AND THEN THE VARIATION IN THAT PRICE FROM 300 TO 1500 IS REALLY BASED UPON WHERE THE LOCATION OF THE CIRCUIT BREAKER BOX IS IN THE HOME.

SO THE AMOUNT OF WIRE THEY HAVE TO RUN, WHERE THAT WOULD GO AND WHERE THAT RECEPTACLE ULTIMATELY WOULD BE.

AND THEN EV INSTALLED CAN BE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FROM 900 TO 3000 OR 3500.

AND THAT'S TRULY BASED UPON THE TYPE OF CHARGER OR THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S IN PLACE.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MULTIFAMILY.

LEVEL ONE REALLY ISN'T ONE OF THOSE DISCUSSION POINTS BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF TIME FOR CHARGING.

AGAIN, IT'S A ONE TON RECEPTACLE.

IF YOU WERE TO GO TO A LEVEL TWO TYPE CHARGER, THAT COST IS GOING TO BE ABOUT THOUSAND HUNDRED TO 5000 FOR A LEVEL TWO AND JUST A SINGLE CHARGE STATION. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A DUAL CHARGE OR JUST A SINGLE A SINGLE PARKING SPACE.

AND THEN WHEN WE GET INTO A LEVEL THREE CHARGER, IT'S ABOUT 10000 TO 40000, WHICH AGAIN IS THE DC FAST CHARGER, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE MOST COMMONLY APPLIED FOR RAPID CHARGING. IF WE COMPARE THAT, THAT IS ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION.

AND IF WE COMPARE THAT TO RETROFITTING, YOU'LL SEE A A TABLE ON THE RIGHT.

SO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT GOING FOR THAT AVERAGE RETROFITS ABOUT 1350 $4 AND THIS IS UTILIZING DATA FROM PG AND E, SO ANOTHER ELECTRIC UTILITY OUT OF ANOTHER STUDY.

ULTIMATELY, WE COULDN'T GET ANY RETROFIT PRICING FROM ANYONE.

WHAT WE WOULD GET IS ULTIMATELY THE COST OF THE MATERIALS AND THEN THE COST OF LABOR.

AND IT TRULY IS BASED UPON THE WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE.

SO IT'S VERY CHALLENGING TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO USING THE DATA THAT WAS READILY AVAILABLE.

AGAIN, IT'S 1350 $4 TO RETROFIT EV EV CHARGING AND HAVING A CIRCUIT PUT IN.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MULTIFAMILY WITHOUT THE CHARGING STATION, IT RANGES ANYWHERE FROM 5200 TO 10000.

AND THAT'S WITHOUT THE EQUIPMENT.

AND AGAIN, VERY CHALLENGING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MULTIFAMILY APPLICATIONS BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF CIRCUITS THAT MAY BE REQUIRED TO BE INSTALLED, IF THERE ARE BREAKERS AVAILABLE OR A LOCATION TO INSTALL BREAKERS WITHIN MULTIFAMILY OR IF THEY HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PANEL AND THEN THE LOCATION OF THOSE RACEWAY.

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SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE.

LARGELY, WE'RE SEEING MOST OF THE DATA IS COMING OUT OF COLORADO.

CALIFORNIA HAS SOME IN HAWAII, SOME JUST VARIOUS PLACES.

MANY OF THEM ARE DOING WEATHER.

MANY OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE DOING THIS AND KEEP IN MIND, IT'S A SMALL IT'S A SMALL NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES, BUT THE PRIMARY FOCUS WILL BE ON ONE EV READY SPACE MULTIFAMILY.

THEY'LL RUN IT INTO PERCENTAGES OF SPACES AND THEN ALSO INCLUDING SOME COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS.

SO WHERE IT IS, SOME BUSINESSES WOULD ALSO OFFER EV.

AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S A SMALL NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, BUT THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITIES THAT ARE DOING THAT.

ANY POSSIBLE INCENTIVES HERE? THERE ARE TWO PIECES WE WE HAVE.

ULTIMATELY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS PROVIDING ON EXTENDING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE REBATES UNDER THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT.

SO 30% OF THE HARDWARE UP TO A MAX OF 1000 FOR A CHARGER.

SO THAT HELPS.

AND THEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOUR SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS VERY TOPIC AND THEY'LL BE COMING BEFORE COUNCIL IN MID-NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER 15TH.

THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO THE COMMITTEE ON THE 28TH, AND I THINK WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK AGAIN KIND OF A LARGER A LARGER PIECE AS FAR AS THE FRAMEWORK.

AND ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS WITHIN THAT IS THIS EV CHARGING.

AND I THINK THEN PROBABLY CAN GATHER SOME LEGS AND KIND OF MOVE FORWARD.

THAT IS IT IN AN OVERVIEW AND I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I HAVE SOME OTHER STAFF AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS RELATED TO IT.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS.

CASPER WATTS THANK YOU, SCOTT.

AND OF COURSE, I BROUGHT THIS FORWARD IN A TWO MINUTE PITCH.

AND FIRST OF ALL, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION.

IT'S VERY HELPFUL.

DATA IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT.

I THINK FOR ME, HAVING READ THE PRESENTATION IN THE BACK UP AND THEN HEARING YOUR PRESENTATION, I WOULD BE MORE INCLINED, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT IN OUR AND OUR DEVELOPMENT, WHEN YOU SAID THERE'S ONLY 600 AND WHEN YOU SAY 600 VEHICLES, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PURELY ELECTRIC VEHICLES, ELECTRIC VEHICLES REGISTERED WITHIN THE CITY OF DENVER? ALL RIGHT.

BECAUSE I THINK MY MY PITCH WAS, HEY, DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT THIS FOR MAKING IT A REQUIREMENT AND EVERY NEW SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT OR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? I THINK PROBABLY I WOULD RATHER PURSUE, AT LEAST AT THIS STAGE, THIS IS JUST ME.

SO, I MEAN, I BROUGHT IT UP.

SO IT'S BUT LOOKING AT IT AND LOOKING AT THE DATA, I LIKE THE INCENTIVE APPROACH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE FEDERAL FUNDS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.

I THINK IF IT COULD BE USED AS A AS AN AMENITY ON A NEW CONSTRUCTION AND IF THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF POSSIBLE INCENTIVE ON A NEW CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW MANY PERMITS WE GOT GOING UP NOW, I MEAN, WHAT, 1500, 1900 A YEAR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

1000. YEAH.

SO I THINK UPON FURTHER REFLECTION, IF THERE'S A WAY WE COULD PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUILD A NEW HOME AND PUT THIS IN THERE, THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T BE A COST BURDEN TO THEM.

MULTIFAMILY A LITTLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL ONLY BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT ELECTRIC VEHICLES, SOME OF THEM.

AND HOW DO WE HOW DO THEY CHARGE THEM? I DON'T EVEN KNOW. I GUESS IF YOU HAVE A ON THE EV READY AND THE EV THE ONE WITH THE CONDUIT, BOTH OF THOSE ARE, WHAT IS IT, A 50 AMP CIRCUIT, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT PLUGGING IN TO A 110 OUTLET, YOU'RE PLUGGING INTO THAT 20 THAT THAT'S THE GOAL FOR IT.

SO 110 WHERE'S AVAILABLE I'M ULTIMATELY SEMI CAN USE TODAY SO WE TALK ABOUT EV READY AND CAPABLE IT'S TRULY A TO 20 TO 40 CIRCUIT.

YEAH I APPRECIATE IT I APPRECIATE THE INFO AND THE DATA.

IT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL TO TO GET THINGS TO GET THE DATA AND THOSE ARE SORT OF MY THOUGHTS ON IT.

NOW HAVING MADE THE PITCH, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, HAVING READ THE BACKUP.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

THAT'S ONLY TAKING ABOUT 20 MINUTES, I PROMISE.

SO, SCOTT, I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR AN ELECTRICIAN, AN ACCOUNTANT AND A PLANNER.

AND LET ME KNOW IF THESE ARE.

YES. LET ME KNOW IF THESE ARE IF THEY NEED TO BE FOLLOWED UP ON.

THEY MAY NOT. THEY MAY BE MOOTED BY THE CONVERSATION.

BUT 50 AMPS WE ARE BUILDING.

PRIMARILY SMALLER HOMES RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT TRANSLATES TO FOR THEIR SERVICE FROM THE STREET FOR THE SIZE OF THEIR BREAKER BOXES.

THOSE ARE QUESTIONS OUTSIDE MY WHEELHOUSE.

BUT WHEN WE'RE BUILDING THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THEY KIND OF TEND TOWARDS THE THE SMALL SIZE.

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I HAD TO DROP A CIRCUIT THAT I WASN'T OTHERWISE USING SO I COULD HAVE THAT TO 44 MY ELECTRIC RANGE ELSEWHERE.

THE QUESTION IS, WHEN WE'RE BUILDING NEW HOUSES, ARE WE IS THERE DOES THERE TEND TO BE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL SERVICE CAPACITY? DO WE TEND TO BE KIND OF BUMPING UP AGAINST IT, OR IS THAT A QUESTION THAT MAYBE A QUALIFIED PERSON SHOULD FOLLOW UP WITH LATER? LIKE, ARE WE ARE WE PUTTING A HOMEOWNER WHO'S NEVER GOING TO HAVE AN ELECTRIC CAR AT A SEVERE DISADVANTAGE FOR ANY CHANGES THEY WANT TO MAKE OF THEIR HOUSE BY HAVING THIS REQUIRED, EVERY SINGLE HOUSE IS GOING TO HAVE THIS 50 AMP CIRCUIT DEDICATED TO THE GARAGE.

I THINK THE POTENTIAL PROBABLY EXISTS TO EVERYTHING YOU SAID.

SO SO SO THE REALITY IS YOU MAY HAVE AN ADEQUATELY SIZED HOME WITH AN ADEQUATELY SIZED PANEL.

YOU MAY HAVE SOME EXTRA SPACE WITHIN THAT PANEL, OR IT MAY REQUIRE YOU TO ADD A SUB PANEL OR A SECONDARY PANEL BASED ON THE SIZE UPON THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE. SO THE 50 AMP THAT YOU HAD IN YOUR GARAGE WOULD BE EXACTLY WHAT WOULD WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT.

THE REALITY IS, IS THAT IT WAS SET UP FOR AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE AND IT PROBABLY WAS NOT, BUT THAT THAT WOULD BE THE SCENARIO.

SO IT'S IT'S REALLY VERY CHALLENGING BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY OPTIONS IN THE SIZE OF THE BREAKER BOX AND DEPENDENT ON WHETHER IT'S AN ALL ELECTRIC HOME OR ELECTRIC GAS HOME OR HOW IT'S PLANNED.

SO THERE'S NO CUT AND DRY ANSWER AND THERE'S NO PLACE TO JUST GO GRAB THAT.

I WILL SAY, I GUESS WITH MY EXPERIENCE, THE MAJORITY OF HOMES WILL RUN WITH A 200 AMP PANEL.

YOU'LL HAVE ROOM WITHIN THE PANEL TO ADD ADDITIONAL CIRCUITS.

SO YOURS WOULD BE, I THINK, AN ANOMALY THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT A RANGE INSIDE THAT HOME.

RIGHT. SO.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS MORE IF WE'RE AND AGAIN, IF THIS IS AN OFFLINE INTEREST, TELL ME.

BUT IF IF WE'RE TRENDING TOWARDS THESE 240 AMP PANELS, DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH CAPACITY WE'RE TYPICALLY LEAVING ON THE TABLE FOR FUTURE HOMEOWNER IMPROVEMENTS, ADDITIONAL CIRCUITS LATER ON, THAT KIND OF STUFF? NO, NOT DEFINITIVELY.

AND I CAN PROBABLY GATHER A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA WITHIN OUR STAFF JUST TO EVALUATE EACH OF THE PANELS AS THEY GO AND REVIEW A HOME ON A FINAL.

HOW MANY? HOW MANY? IT'S IT'S RELATIVELY SIMPLE, SO WE CAN GATHER THAT DATA.

IF IT'S EASY, AGAIN, IT MAY BE MUTED BY THIS CONVERSATION.

IT'D BE HELPFUL FOR ME TO KNOW IF WE'RE PUTTING ANY HARDSHIP ON HOMEOWNERS BY SAYING, HERE'S A 50 AMP CIRCUIT.

YOU NEVER ASKED FOR THAT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE TAKEN OFFLINE TO DO ANY CHANGES TO YOUR HOUSE.

THE TAX BREAK THAT YOU MENTIONED.

I READ THAT TO SAY THAT IT'S FOR HOMEOWNERS WHO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S AVAILABLE TO BUILDERS WHO ARE BUILDING A BUNCH OF HOMES. IT PROBABLY FOR THAT REASON, WOULDN'T BE AVAILABLE TO A NEW CONSTRUCTION HOMEOWNER.

IT WOULD BE FOR PRIMARILY APPLY TO SOMEBODY WHO HAS AN EXISTING HOME.

OR IS THAT A QUESTION WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH LATER? I THINK IT'D BE A FOLLOW UP LATER.

I THINK THE REALITY IS IT'S GEARED FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNERS AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET ULTIMATELY CREDIT ON THEIR TAXES.

RIGHT. LAST QUESTION.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE WHERE WE DON'T REQUIRE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WE DON'T REQUIRE FOR MULTIFAMILY CONSTRUCTION OR PROJECT UNDER CERTAIN SIZE. BUT WHEN YOU START HITTING A CERTAIN SIZE OF MULTIFAMILY, WE MIGHT REQUIRE TO HAVE BIKE RACKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE IF WE WANTED TO, TO TO ADOPT A SCHEME WHERE IF YOU HAVE A 400 UNIT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, YOU NEED X CHARGERS OR THE ABILITY TO INSTALL THEM, WHATEVER THE TECHNOLOGY IS, BUT IF YOU HAVE A FOUR PLEX, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ONE.

WE COULD WE HAVE EXAMPLES FOR THAT IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE ALREADY.

YES. AND THAT'S AND THAT'S VERY COMMON TO HAVE BRACKETED.

SO ULTIMATELY, NOT UNTIL YOU HAVE TEN UNITS YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE X, Y OR Z.

SO YES.

AND THEN PERCENTAGES CAN CHANGE BASED UPON THE NUMBERS.

THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION.

I REALLY HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST IN PURSUING RIGHT NOW WOULD BE FOR LARGE MULTIFAMILY OVER SOME CERTAIN THRESHOLD.

YEAH, SOME REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE LIKE WE DO SOME OTHER THINGS.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, AND I APPRECIATE THAT COUNCILOR DAVIS CANNOT GET AWAY FROM PARKING MINIMUMS. THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS TOO MUCH DISCUSSION OF PARKING MINIMUMS. SO BUT I HAD SIMILAR QUESTIONS TO ACTUALLY BEFORE I BEGAN.

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SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

WE KNOW THAT THE ALL THE DEADLINES AND GOALS FOR THE COUNTRY BY 2025 IS A LOT OF THE FLEETS ARE ELECTRIC AND IT BEHOOVES US TO BE FORWARD THINKING.

SO I APPRECIATE, COUNCILOR, WHAT'S PUSHING THIS ISSUE.

WE NEED TO BE FORWARD THINKING.

WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHERE ON THIS ASYMPTOTIC CURVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE.

ARE WE ARE WE, ARE WE AT THE OH, WE'LL WE'LL ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DO IT PART OF THE CURVE OR THAT WE AT THE PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT WHERE GOD YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY TOO LATE.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ALL HAVE CRYSTAL BALLS TO TO ADDRESS THAT.

I THINK HONESTLY, I'M GOING TO PUT $20 RIGHT HERE FOR SOME FUTURE COUNCIL.

I THINK WE'RE WE ARE AT BEST.

RIGHT ON. AND POSSIBLY TOO LATE.

THAT'S THAT'S MY VIRTUAL $20.

COME GET ME IN A FEW YEARS.

THE QUESTION I HAD WAS THE 200 SERVICE VERSUS THE 240 SERVICES.

WHAT TYPICALLY WHAT'S THE COST TO DEVELOPER ON A PANEL? I MEAN, AS YOU EXPAND TO LARGER AND LARGER SERVICE PANELS, DO WE KNOW IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN INCLUDE IN YOUR.

I'M GETTING BACK TO YOU COUNCIL NUMBERS.

YES, ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE YEAH, IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S.

YEAH, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT QUITE THAT SIMPLE, BUT YES, AND I WAS TRYING TO BE SIMPLE, BUT IF IT'S MORE COMPLEX, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

100. 100. AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE SEEING VERY MANY 100 AMP PANELS.

THEN IT GOES TO 150 AMP.

THE MAJORITY OF OURS ARE 200 AMP PANELS AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE 200 AMP PANELS.

SO THEN IT THEN IT REALLY KIND OF GETS INTO IF YOU HAD TO EXCEED THAT 200 AMP PANEL, YOU'RE ALMOST GOING TO A 400 AMP OR TO 2 TO 200, BUT YOU CAN SUB PANEL IN SOME INSTANCES, MEANING YOU CAN PUT ANOTHER SMALLER PANEL IN.

SO THAT'S WHY I SAY IT'S NOT REALLY SIMPLE, BUT I CAN PROBABLY GET YOU SOME.

AND THE REASON I ASK I'LL PUT SOME CONTEXT ON IT IS I ALSO HAVE A SUB PANEL IN MY HOME JUST JUST ANECDOTALLY FOR EXACTLY THAT REASON AND FOR A SIMILAR REASON THAT I HAD A BIG OLD SERVICE AND I HAD TO MOVE A STOVE AROUND AND IT WENT AND WENT ELECTRIC GAS AND GAS, ELECTRIC GAS.

AND HAVING SAID THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY GERMANE TO THE POINT.

ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE NOT THE ONLY THINGS THAT WE'RE TAKING OFF CARBON BASED FUELS.

ALL RIGHT. WHEN WE DO IT, I DON'T KNOW.

I KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE SCREAMING FIGHT, TAKING STOVES OFF GAS BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE TO COOK WITH THEM.

I HAVE A GAS STOVE.

I HAVE A GAS WATER HEATER.

BUT AT SOME POINT, THE TEA LEAVES SAY WE'RE GETTING RID OF FOSSIL FUELS BASED THINGS.

SO HOW FORWARD THINKING DO WE WANT TO BE AND WHEN DO WE WANT TO BE ON THAT CURVE AND HOW DO WE WANT TO ADJUST OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE TO BE PROACTIVE SO THAT THERE'S LESS PAIN? YOU DON'T YOU DON'T WANT YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TEN YEARS FROM NOW, WELL, MAYBE YOU'RE STILL HERE TEN YEARS FROM NOW.

BUT BUT, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WHOEVER IT IS, YOU OR YOUR SUCCESSOR FOR SUCCESSOR PLAN, YOU DON'T WANT THEM CURSING YOUR NAME OR YOU CURSING YOUR OWN BEHAVIOR. WHEN YOU SAID, OH, WE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SERVERS FOR ELECTRIC STOVES.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SERVICE OR ELECTRIC WATER HEATERS.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SERVICE FOR THIS, FOR THAT, FOR THE OTHER THING, BECAUSE I'M YOU KNOW, BECK WINS $20.

SO THAT'S ONE THING.

AND THEN DO WE KNOW TO THIS EXACT POINT OF WHERE SHOULD WE BE ON THE SWEET SPOT? DO WE KNOW THE ADOPTION OF.

AND I'M GUESSING YOU DON'T OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, BUT YOU MAY.

THE ADOPTION CURVE OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES AS WE GO FORWARD.

YOU SAID THAT WE HAVE 600 PER MINUTE, BUT WE DO WE SEE WHAT THOSE TREND LINES ARE SO THAT WE CAN PREDICT IN X YEARS THAT IT WILL BE THIS HIGH.

AND THE SAME WITH ELECTRIC STOVES, ELECTRIC WATER HEATERS, OUR OTHER ELECTRIC SERVICES.

I'M GOING TO TOUCH ON THE LATTER PART FIRST.

AND AS YOU MENTIONED, SO WE HAVE SEVERAL FOLKS HERE FROM DMAE FOR THE VERY REASON AS WE KIND OF TALK THROUGH THIS, IF WE START TALKING ABOUT GOING TO ALL ELECTRIC AND ALL OF WHAT WE DO, IT HAS CONSEQUENCES ACROSS THE GRID.

SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT NOT ONLY THAT RESIDENTIAL SERVICE OR THAT COMMERCIAL SERVICE, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT TRANSFORMERS AND LINE.

SO MUCH, MUCH BIGGER PICTURE TO TALK ABOUT.

AND MICHAEL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ABLE TO TO TALK ABOUT THE CURVE AT ALL AND I WON'T PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

SO SHORT ANSWER IS NO, WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION.

I'M HAPPY TO GET THAT. WE ARE.

WE ARE LESS. WE ARE LESS AS FAR AS A PERCENTAGE THAN THE REST OF THE METROPLEX, AS FAR AS WHERE OUR NUMBERS LIE TO OTHERS.

THAT MIGHT BE IN DALLAS OR FORT WORTH WITH THE NUMBER OF EV VEHICLES AND THEN KIND OF WHERE WE'RE FOLLOWING.

SO AND I APPRECIATE THAT POINT, JUST BECAUSE IT IS IT IS SIMPLY NOT JUST EV VEHICLES.

I THINK THAT'S THE PROGENITOR OF THIS THIS WORK SESSION.

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IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT.

WELL, AND KIND OF ANECDOTAL TO THAT IS IS TEXAS HAS BEEN AWARDED 408 MILLION FOR EV INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO ULTIMATELY WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A NETWORK LIKE WE DO GAS STATIONS AND THAT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY.

SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE TO COME INTO PLAY.

THAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

SO WILL WE SEE A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN TWO YEARS? I DON'T KNOW.

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO TRAVEL SOMEWHERE AND YOU CAN'T GET TO A CHARGER.

YEAH, YOU CAN'T GET TO A CHARGER.

AND I TRYING TO BE BRIEF TO STAY ON SCHEDULE AND NOT TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME.

THE THE IT WILL IT WILL BE A THING WHERE WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THAT INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY TO GET THERE, TRANSFORMERS AND TO GET THEIR DISTRIBUTION COSTS.

IF WE'VE DEDICATED IN THE DDC THAT BUILDERS HAVE ALREADY HAD TO BUILD IT AND WE PUT INTO OUR GREEN SENSE PROGRAM THAT IF YOU'RE AN EXISTING HOMEOWNER, WE'LL HELP YOU RETROFIT YOUR REDEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, I THINK.

I MEAN, SO I MEAN, WE'RE NOT REALLY TASKED WITH DIRECTION, BUT IF I WERE TO JUST FLOAT SOME IDEAS OUT THAT WEREN'T TO BE PERCEIVED AS DIRECTION, I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT TO SEE SOME OF THESE OPTIONS COME BACK IN THE DC.

RC AS WELL AS THE LEASEBACK BACK FOR THE INCENTIVES THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.

AND I WILL STOP THERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? CUSTOMER MAGUIRE. I'LL BE BRIEF.

I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT COUNCILMEMBER BECK JUST SAID.

I THINK WE NEED TO THINK IN TERMS OF BOTH LONG TERM GOALS AND SHORT TERM GOALS.

I THINK ONE OF OUR LONG TERM GOALS IN TERMS OF CARBON EMISSIONS WITHIN OUR CITY, WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE DRIVING A PERSONAL VEHICLE.

ULTIMATELY ALL PERSONAL VEHICLES IN THE CITY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ELECTRIC.

MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP DRIVING PERSONAL VEHICLES.

MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SWITCH FROM GAS RANGES AND FURNACES AND WATER HEATERS TO ELECTRIC.

THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN EVENTUALLY.

I THINK THAT WE CAN HELP OUR COMMUNITY MAKE THAT TRANSITION MORE EASILY IF WE PUT INTO PLACE ELEMENTS AND THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE BUILDING CODE THAT REQUIRE THAT CAPABILITY IN NEW CONSTRUCTION.

I THINK IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY REASONABLE TO ADOPT STANDARDS LIKE DENVER'S FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AT LEAST, AND THEN TO TO WORK TO TRY TO PROVIDE GRANT FUNDING FOR FOR RETROFITTING OF EXISTING CONSTRUCTION.

THAT'S MY DIRECTION. ANYONE ELSE? AND I'LL JUST SAY, I THINK FORWARD LOOKING AGAIN ONCE THE STUDY COMES IN AND WE KIND OF KNOW MORE, I'M LEANING TOWARDS IT BEING MORE OF AN AMENITY, LIKE ALMOST LIKE A POCKET PARK, KIND OF A PLUG KIND OF PER DEVELOPMENT, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO THE CITY KIND OF HAS CRATES LIKE WE HAVE AT THE LIBRARY.

MAYBE IT'S SHELTERED, MAYBE IT'S SOME KIND OF GREEN SPACE.

BUT I DON'T I DON'T SEE PUTTING IT ON THE HOMEOWNERS.

AND THEY'RE STUDIES THAT SAY THAT THAT THAT IS PROBLEMATIC.

ANYWAY, FROM A GRID PERSPECTIVE, IF EVERYONE'S USING THEIR OWN HOME AND AT NIGHT AND THE PROBLEMS THAT CREATE.

SO OBVIOUSLY WE'LL LEARN A LOT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.

BUT I THINK ALMOST USING IT AS AS AN AMENITY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HEY, SCHEDULED, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN A COMMUNITY ROOM, RIGHT? YOU SCHEDULED, HEY, I'M GOING TO PLUG IN THIS TIME.

THAT TIME IT'S THERE, IT'S AVAILABLE AND KIND OF IT'S A COMMUNITY ASSET TO SOME DEGREE THAT THAT KIND OF TAKES A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO THAT.

SO THAT'S AGAIN, FORWARD LOOKING, NOT REALLY LOOKING TO PUT IT ON AS MUCH AS REQUIRE THE HOME TO HAVE IT JUST IN CASE THE HOME DOESN'T HAVE AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE BUT TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE IN THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS.

AND IT ALSO HELPS FROM A FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH PERSPECTIVE OR JUST, YOU KNOW, GET PEOPLE OUT, GET PEOPLE ACTIVE, BUT GIVE THEM A COMFORTABLE PLACE TO BE TO TO DO THOSE THINGS. YOU KNOW, HEY, YOU, YOU KNOW, BUMP INTO YOUR NEIGHBOR, JUST SWITCHING, SWITCHING PLUGS OR THERE'S MULTIPLE PLUGS THERE WHILE YOU'RE PLUGGING.

IS THAT A WORD? IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT A VERB, PLUGGING IT? I DON'T KNOW. WE'RE GOING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO SAY YES.

I'LL ASK MY FIVE YEAR OLD.

SHE'LL TELL ME. SHE'LL GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWER.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM D, WHICH IS ID 221841.

[D. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding Speed Limits on Residential Streets. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

THANKS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

NATHAN GEORGE CAPITAL PROJECTS ENGINEERING.

THIS IS A FOLLOW UP FROM A PRESENTATION THAT WE GAVE YOU GUYS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE CITYWIDE SPEED STUDY.

SO WE'RE HERE AGAIN THIS EVENING TO TALK ABOUT RESIDENTIAL SPEED LIMITS.

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SO LET'S DIVE RIGHT IN.

VERY BRIEF AGENDA. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FOLLOW UP ON THE CITYWIDE SPEED STUDY DISCUSSION.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT RESIDENTIAL SPEED LIMITS, JUST A FEW REFRESHERS TO TALK ABOUT THAT PROCESS, TO ALTER THE SPEED LIMITS AND THEN DISCUSS SOME SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, WENT BACK THROUGH THE CONVERSATION AND PROVIDED SOME FEEDBACK IN THE FRIDAY REPORT.

SO THAT WAS POSTED LAST WEEK.

HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

BUT IF ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD AT THAT MEETING, WE TRIED TO MAKE SURE TO CAPTURE ANY FOLLOW UP ITEMS THAT WE COULD.

I DO HAVE A FEW ITEMS WE'LL TOUCH ON IN THIS PRESENTATION, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, CHECK FRIDAY REPORT LAST WEEK THERE'S AN ISR WITH A WITH THAT FOLLOW UP.

WE HAVE CONFIRMED WITH TEC SCOTT THAT THEY WILL HAVE ABOUT A 3 TO 6 MONTH TIME FRAME TO REVIEW THAT STUDY AND PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK ON THE TEXT ROADS PORTION OF THE CITYWIDE SPEED STUDY. SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT FOR YOU THIS EVENING IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL SPEED LIMITS.

SO JUST AS A REMINDER, WE'RE TALKING GENERALLY ABOUT STREETS THAT THIS 30 MILE AN HOUR URBAN DISTRICT STANDARD HAS BEEN APPLIED.

THAT'S THE GENERAL EXPECTATION AND I'LL TOUCH ON THAT AGAIN IN A MOMENT.

BUT ANYWHERE YOU'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, IT'S PRETTY MUCH ASSUMED 30 MILES AN HOUR IS YOUR SPEED LIMIT.

SO THESE ARE THE REMINDER PORTIONS OF THE DISCUSSION WE TOLD YOU AT THE LAST MEETING.

IT'S OUR OPINION THAT CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO POST A 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT OR REDUCE FROM 30 TO 25.

WE HIGHLIGHTED THE THAT OUR GENERAL EXPECTATION IS POSTING SIGNS ABOUT EVERY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OR 1000 LINEAR FEET ALONG THE ROADWAY.

I HAVE A FEW GRAPHICS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN JUST A MOMENT.

SO THAT'S THE GENERAL EXPECTATION.

WE USE THAT TO APPLY AND GIVE YOU SOME IDEA OF WHAT THAT WOULD QUANTIFY IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF SIGNS AND THE EFFORT THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED THERE.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNCILMEMBER MAGUIRE ASKED WAS ABOUT THE MISSING SIGNS.

SO THAT NEED TO ADD SIGNS AND ARE THEY MISSING? IT'S REALLY IF THOSE SIGNS ARE NOT THERE TODAY, THERE'S A GENERAL EXPECTATION THAT THAT 30 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT APPLIES.

AND SO YOU DON'T NEED THOSE SIGNS.

SO THEY'RE NOT TRULY MISSING.

BUT IT'S CERTAINLY A NUMBER OF THOSE SIGNS, SOME PERCENTAGE WOULD BE HELPFUL TO TO REINFORCE, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARY REALLY TO ADD THOSE SIGNS.

AND THEN THE THE MAIN POINT THAT I WANTED TO DRILL DOWN ON IS THE LAW REQUIRING A SAFETY JUSTIFICATION.

THIS IS THE TERMINOLOGY IN THE LAW IS THAT WE NEED A SAFETY JUSTIFICATION FOR WHY WE BELIEVE THAT THE MOVE TO 25 FROM 30 IS NEEDED.

SO ONE HIGHLIGHT THAT I WANT TO PUT IN OR TWO HIGHLIGHTS REALLY FROM THE DISCUSSION LAST TIME I TALKED ABOUT POTENTIAL CHANGES IN THE LAW THAT ARE HAPPENING IN AUSTIN AND HOW THEY COULD USE A CHAMPION TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

THE CITY SHARED WITH US DRAFT LANGUAGE.

IT MAINTAINS THIS SAFETY JUSTIFICATION TEXT IN THE LAW.

SO THAT WOULD STILL BE A REQUIREMENT FOR US TO MAKE THAT SAFETY RATIONALE UNLESS THEY CHANGE THE LAW AND REMOVE THAT PROVISION.

SO AS IT'S BEEN SHARED WITH US, AT LEAST NOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD STILL BE A REQUIREMENT.

WE'D STILL NEED TO PROVIDE THAT SAFETY JUSTIFICATION.

THE CHAMPION THAT THEY WOULD NEED WOULD BE LIKE A LEGISLATOR, SOMEBODY WHO WOULD PUT FORWARD DRAFT LEGISLATION, SPONSOR IT AND GET IT THROUGH FOR ADOPTION.

SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS CLEAR.

BUT THIS BEING A SAFETY JUSTIFICATION, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE MADE UNIFORMLY ACROSS THE CITY.

WE'RE NOT PICKING AND CHOOSING.

IT HAS TO BE ACROSS THE CITY.

AND THERE'S SOME NEED OR WE NEED TO MAKE THAT CHANGE HASTILY BECAUSE WE FEEL IT HAS A SAFETY OUTCOME.

ALL RIGHT. SO TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE SIGNING EXPECTATIONS WOULD BE, WE LOOKED AT A NEIGHBORHOOD IN A CORRIDOR, SO WE'LL PRESENT TWO GRAPHICS TO REPRESENT, FIRST, THE SOUTH RIDGE COMMUNITY. SO HERE WE'VE GOT A LARGE AREA EXISTING TODAY, OR 36 SIGNS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY'RE SHOWN AS LITTLE BLUE DOTS IN THAT AREA OUTLINED BY YELLOW.

THE ADDITIONAL SIGNS.

SO WE WE TOOK A LOOK AT THIS IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

WE CAME WITH A PARED DOWN NUMBER TO TRY AND GIVE YOU SOMETHING THAT'S REASONABLE.

SO BASICALLY WE STARTED WITH MAKING SURE WE CAPTURE EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION AT ALL THE INTERSECTIONS, CAME UP WITH A LOT OF ADDITIONAL SIGNS THAT DIDN'T SEEM REASONABLE.

SO WE CAME BACK WITH AN ENGINEERING RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS 175 SIGNS.

AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT EVERY THOUSAND FEET VERSUS WHAT AN ENGINEERING NUMBER WOULD BE.

SO 175 SIGNS ENGINEERING BASED ON THIS LAYOUT, THE ESTIMATE BASED ON THE 1000 FEET IS 110.

SO THAT'S ABOUT AN INCREASE OF 30%, GIVE OR TAKE, FROM WHAT WE HAD PRESENTED TO YOU LAST TIME.

SO A LITTLE BIT MORE SIGNING WOULD BE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE WE CATCH EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION, NOTIFY THEM, HEY, YOU'VE ENTERED A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

SPEED LIMIT HERE IS 25.

AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE NOTTINGHAM CORRIDOR AREA THAT I'D SAY PROBABLY EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH BETWEEN UNIVERSITY AND WINDSOR.

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THE ESTIMATE AT THE 1000 FOOT SPACING WOULD BE EIGHT SIGNS WOULD BE NEEDED.

BUT BASED ON ENGINEERING LAYOUT, WE CAME UP WITH 13.

SO AGAIN, ABOUT A 30% INCREASE.

SO THOSE NUMBERS WE PRESENTED LAST TIME WOULD BE EXPECTED TO GO UP IN TERMS OF OVERALL NUMBER AND OVERALL COST.

I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF ON AN AVERAGE STREET, REALLY BASIC LAYOUT.

BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THERE WOULD BE SOME SIGNAGE THAT YOU COULD SEE IN THE BACKGROUND.

THESE SIGNS WOULD BE FAIRLY FREQUENT AS YOU TRAVEL THROUGH A CORRIDOR.

BUT WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS FOLKS PASS THROUGH THE INTERSECTIONS OR AS THEY'RE ACCESSING OTHER PARTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY HAVE THAT CONTINUAL REMINDER THAT THEY'RE IN A 25 MILE AN HOUR RESIDENTIAL SPEED ZONE.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

TO TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY IMPLICATIONS.

SO LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THE OVERALL CRASH TRENDS AROUND THE CITY AND REMINDER THAT THIS IS A VISION ZERO APPROACH.

SO WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED INTO THE DATA JUST IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE THE CRASHES ARE OCCURRING ON A RESIDENTIAL ROADS.

WHAT IS THE BREAKDOWN OF THE OUTCOMES THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THOSE CRASHES? WE HAD TWO FATALITY INJURY CRASHES THAT OCCURRED ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS, 11 SERIOUS INJURIES.

SO THOSE 13 ARE THE CRASHES THAT FROM A VISION ZERO PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE TRYING TO COMPLETELY ELIMINATE THIS 830 CRASHES.

AND OVERALL, THE TREND IS WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SEVERE OR FATAL CRASHES THAT ARE OCCURRING ON THESE RESIDENTIAL STREETS.

THE MAJORITY OF THEM DON'T INVOLVE AN INJURY.

SO OVERALL, OUR RESIDENTIAL STREETS ARE PERFORMING PRETTY WELL.

THERE'S STILL OPPORTUNITY FOR IMPROVEMENT, BUT CERTAINLY WE'RE NOT SEEING AS BAD OF SAFETY TRENDS ON THESE RESIDENTIAL STREETS AS WE'RE SEEING ON THE CITYWIDE SPEED STUDY STREETS OR JUST OUR STREETS OVERALL IN GENERAL.

ONE HIGHLIGHT THAT WE DISCUSSED INTERNALLY AS A STAFF IS THAT I-35 IS ONE OF OUR STREETS THAT HAS IF YOU LOOK AT THAT HEAT MAP, THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATION OF CRASHES.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THAT CRASH DATA.

AND THAT'S NOT IN OUR CITYWIDE SPEED STUDY BECAUSE THAT'S TEXT DOT.

SO WITH THAT, TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF AND HIGH LEVEL AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS.

WE'RE READY FOR YOUR DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM TIM.

THANK YOU. SO SO COMING BACK TO THE SEVEN VERSUS LIKE TO USE THE CHURCHILL EXAMPLE, THAT WAS YOUR EXAMPLE, SEVEN VERSUS EIGHT VERSUS 13.

AND THE SPACING REFRESH MY MEMORY AGAIN, I THINK I JUST LOST 1000 FEET EVERY THOUSAND FEET.

YES. AND SO IS THAT A TCD RULE? WHERE'S WHERE'S THE THOUSAND FEET COMING FROM? AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT HOW THAT'S IMPACTING OUR POLICY DECISIONS.

I'D SAY THAT'S INTERNAL CITY POLICY.

IT'S A COMBINATION OF ENGINEERING TRAFFIC OPERATIONS THAT CAME THAT ARRIVED AT THAT NUMBER.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME VARIABILITY.

YOU WANT FREQUENT REMINDERS WHEN YOU POST THE CHANGE.

SO TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY WOULD LOSE THE FACT THAT THEY'RE ON A 25 MILE AN HOUR STREET AND THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE SEEING MORE SO REFLECT THE CHARACTER OF THE STREET GRID.

SO HOW FREQUENTLY MIGHT FOLKS ENTER A STREET OR EXIT A STREET? SO IT'S THE NUMBER IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE HIGHER BECAUSE THE SPACING OF STREETS AND INTERSECTIONS IS GOING TO BE A BIT LESS.

SO IT FAVORS MORE SIGNS.

AND THAT THOUSAND FOOT IS ACTUALLY MORE LIKE MAYBE SAY, 600 OR 800 FEET, JUST BASED ON HOW FREQUENTLY THERE ARE ADDITIONAL STREETS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEEDING TO PROVIDE THAT REMINDER AS FOLKS TRAVEL THROUGH THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO THE REASON I'M ASKING IS IT FEELS LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO GET WEIRD, BUT IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S OUR INDEPENDENT VARIABLE AND AND THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR POLICY.

I THINK. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR EVERYONE, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE WAS SOME CONSENSUS THAT, HEY, WE'RE WE SEE YOUR SPEED STUDY AT THE AT THE TECH START AT THE COLLECTOR ARTERIAL AND AT THE RESIDENTIAL.

A LOT OF THOSE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS TO GO LOWER TO HIT VISION ZERO.

I SAW A LOT OF HEAD NODDING AND BEING ON BOARD KIND OF THING AND THEN WE WE HIT THAT MULTIMILLION DOLLAR RESIDENTIAL SIGN HIT AND AND THAT'S A BIG BITE TO EAT.

AND IF THAT BITE IS COMING FROM THE 1000 FOOT, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO POKE AT THAT A LITTLE BIT TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY ON THAT THAT IS STILL PROVIDING SAFETY.

AND WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM? ARE THERE OTHER CITIES USING THAT SAME KIND OF NUMBER? IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT, THAT SAFETY THAT I HEARD I THOUGHT I HEARD CONSENSUS ON, BUT WITHOUT NECESSARILY BREAKING THE BANK WITH MULTI MILLION DOLLAR CHANGES? YEAH. I'LL SHARE AN ANECDOTE THAT OCCURRED TO ME AS I WAS DROPPING MY KIDS OFF THIS MORNING AT SCHOOL IN A PRESCHOOL, DRIVING THROUGH A COMMUNITY IN A RESIDENTIAL STREET THAT'S A PSEUDO COLLECTOR.

AND SO ONE WAY THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY IS TO SAY, WHAT IS THE DATA TELLING US?

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LIKE WE COULD HAVE A TARGETED APPROACH THAT'S DRIVEN BY DATA, AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE MUCH LOWER COST AND MUCH MORE IMPACTFUL BECAUSE WE'RE FOCUSING ON WHERE THE AREAS SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE THOSE SAFETY CHALLENGES OR WHERE WE HAVE MAYBE SOME PERCEPTIONS IN THE DATA BEARS OUT THAT THERE ARE FOLKS SPEEDING IN THE COMMUNITIES.

WE'RE CERTAINLY ANECDOTALLY TO SHARE ANOTHER ANECDOTE.

A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE'VE STUDIED RESIDENTIAL SPEED LIMITS OR RESIDENTIAL DONE SPEED STUDIES IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'VE SEEN THAT OPERATIONS ARE BELOW 30 MILES AN HOUR BECAUSE THE STREET ENVIRONMENT FAVORS NOT DRIVING TOO FAST.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NARROW.

MAYOR, YOU MENTIONED THAT LAST TIME, A LOT OF CARS.

SO FOLKS JUST AREN'T DRIVING 30 MILES AN HOUR.

DO WE REALLY NEED TO POST A SIGN WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY OPERATING AT 25 MILES AN HOUR? AND SO IT'S KIND OF A BALANCE OF DO WE WANT TO JUST SIGN THE WHOLE CITY OR SHOULD WE TAKE A MORE TARGETED APPROACH? BUT WE CAN'T HAVE A BIASED APPROACH WHERE WE SAY WE'VE DONE A 25 MILE AN HOUR RESIDENTIAL IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS AND NOT IN OTHERS.

SO AS I UNDERSTAND AND JUST TO FOLLOW THAT LAST POINT UP AND CORRECT ME IF I'M MISREMEMBERING WHAT YOU TOLD US LAST TIME, WE CAN'T USE THE SAFETY RATIONALE IN REGIONS.

WE HAVE TO DO IT OVERALL IF WE FEEL THAT 25 MILES AN HOUR IS SAFE AND 30 MILES AN HOUR IS UNSAFE, THEN WE CAN'T DISCRIMINATE AND SAY THAT 30 MILES AN HOUR IS SAFE IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT IN ANOTHER.

SO THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF SPEED STUDY TO BACK US UP, SAYING THE OPERATIONAL SPEED OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS 35.

THE OPERATIONAL SPEED OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS 25.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO FIX THE SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE MIGHT WANT TO FIX THE FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE CAN'T THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT JUSTIFICATION TO GET THROUGH THE LEGAL NONE OF THE POLICY LEVEL.

NO, THAT WOULD. BE GETTING TOO SPECIFIC.

AND I CAN'T SEE A POLICY THAT COULD SAY ONE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S SAFE TO DRIVE FAST IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S SLOW. YOU COULD MAYBE LOOK AT A LIKE A DENSITY BASED ARGUMENT, YOU KNOW, A MORE SUBURBAN CHARACTER LIKE BIG LOTS VERSUS SMALL LOTS.

YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO START MAKING A CASE FOR THAT.

BUT I IT'S MY PERSONAL BELIEF YOU WOULD TRY AND EXPLORE THAT OPPORTUNITY AND YOU WOULD COME TO THE RESULT.

WE NEED THIS TO BE BLANKETLY APPLIED UNIFORMLY ACROSS THE CITY.

ALL RIGHT. FAIR ENOUGH. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCILMAN MCGEE? JUST BRIEFLY, WHAT ABOUT FACTORING IN ROADWAY DESIGN IN THAT STILL BLANKETED APPROACH? SO THAT'S MORE OR LESS HOW AUSTIN DID THEIR RESIDENTIAL SPEEDS.

THEY LOOK AT LIKE THE ROAD WIDTH AND APPLY SOME DIFFERENT BASICALLY THEY WERE STUDYING ALL THE STREETS AND WHAT I TRIED TO HIGHLIGHT AT THE LAST PRESENTATION IS THAT TO STUDY ALL THE STREETS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY WOULD BE AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF EFFORT.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW MUCH EFFORT IT WOULD BE TO SIGN THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT TO COLLECT DATA, TO SPEED DATA THAT BUILD ENVIRONMENT DATA.

YOU'RE BASICALLY DOING A SPEED STUDY ON EVERY ONE OF THOSE STREETS.

SO IT WOULD JUST BE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EFFORT.

AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, I FLASHED UP THE THE MAP WITH THE CRASH DATA I'D BE LOOKING MORE FOR WHERE DO WE SEE CRASHES, WHERE WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS AND LOOKING TO ANALYZE THOSE AREAS SPECIFICALLY.

SO THE DATA IS INFORMING WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE I JUST THINK YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW DATA WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THIS SORT OF EFFORT.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MARY. SO THE WORD WE'RE USING HERE IS CRASHES.

IS THAT CAR VERSUS CAR? CAR VERSUS POLE CAR VERSUS PEDESTRIAN OR JUST ANY ANY TRAFFIC INCIDENT THAT FALLS INTO ONE OF THOSE? THE THEIR CODE, THEIR FORM CODES IS WHAT THOSE ARE.

BUT FOR TODAY, THIS IS ALL CRASHES THAT OCCURRED AND IT HASN'T BEEN LOOKED AT IN MUCH MORE DETAIL THAN TO SEE WHAT THE OUTCOMES WERE.

SO CERTAINLY AS YOU GO TO THE NEXT STEP IN AN ANALYSIS LIKE THIS, YOU WOULD MAYBE LOOK AT ALL YOUR VULNERABLE ROAD USERS.

SO BIKE AND PED CRASHES LOOK FOR LOOK SPECIFICALLY WHERE YOU SEE CONCENTRATIONS OF CRASHES OR MAYBE START TO PUT VOLUME DATA SO YOU CAN COMPARE CRASHES WITH HIGH OR LOW VOLUME.

SO YOU CAN START TO SEE TRENDS THAT MAY A HIGHER VOLUME ROAD WITH A HIGHER NUMBER OF CRASHES IS MAYBE A BIT MORE ACCEPTABLE, BUT A A LOW VOLUME ROAD WITH A LOT OF CRASHES SUGGESTS MAYBE THERE'S A DESIGN FLAW OR SOMETHING THAT'S CAUSING THE STREET TO PERFORM POORLY.

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BUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY IS ANY TIME SOMEONE HAS MADE A REPORT OF A TRAFFIC INCIDENT, THE TEXT DOT OR THE DPS FORM IS FILLED OUT.

AND THEN ONE OF THESE CODES THAT'S ON THE ON THE CHART WAS ENTERED IN THE FORM, CORRECT? YEAH. THESE ARE FROM THE CR THREE FORM THAT IS PUT INTO THE TEXT SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE STATEWIDE STANDARD FORMAT.

CAN YOU GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICITY ON WHEN YOU SAY TAKE A TARGETED APPROACH? WE TALK A LOT AND HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT STREET DESIGN AND SOME OF THAT'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND SOME OF IT'S NOT.

SOME OF IT'S PLASTIC BOLLARDS AT THE CORNERS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

BUT WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY I'M NOT REALLY CLEAR ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM A JUST I'M NOT REALLY CLEAR ON WHAT THAT MEANS.

WE TAKE A TARGETED LOOK AT AN INTERSECTION OR A STREET OR A NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE SEE THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF CRASHES THERE.

WE SEE THAT THERE'S LOTS OF CITIZEN COMPLAINTS.

AND THEN SO THEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE OUTCOMES OF THE CRASHES.

SO WHAT TYPE OF CRASH WAS IT? HOW SEVERE WERE THE INJURIES? SO THAT COULD BE THE FATAL SEVERE OR JUST AN INJURY CRASH? I'M TYPICALLY WHEN I START IN THIS PROCESS, I'M LOOKING FOR THOSE HOTSPOTS.

SO I SEE A CORRIDOR THAT'S GOT MULTIPLE DOTS ALONG IT.

SO THAT TELLS ME THAT'S AN AREA THAT I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

I'M LOOKING FIRST AT THE HIGHER SEVERITY TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING ALONG A SPECIFIC STREET THAT'S RESULTING IN SEVERE CRASHES.

AND THEN WE GO OUT AND MEASURE THE WIDTH OF THE STREET AND LOOK AT PARKING ACTIVITY AND SEE HOW FREQUENT THERE ARE CROSSWALKS.

WHAT ARE THE OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES? DO WE HAVE SIDEWALKS OR NOT? ARE THERE SIGNALS? DO WE HAVE A LOT OF STOP SIGNS? SO IT'S AT THAT LEVEL OF ANALYSIS.

IT'S KIND OF A CORRIDOR ANALYSIS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT'S THERE, WHAT'S NOT, WHAT MIGHT BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE CRASHES SPECIFICALLY IN THE CRASH TYPES.

IF YOU'VE GOT LIKE PEDESTRIANS OR WE HIGHER SPEEDS AND THEY DON'T HAVE ACCOMMODATING FACILITIES.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS TO ANALYZE DIFFERENT FORMS OF DATA AND COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION AS IT'S SPEED RELATED.

I THINK IT'S REALLY MAYOR GETS TO YOUR POINT LAST TIME OF LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THE CRASHES, MAYBE ACTUALLY PULLING THE CRASH REPORTS THEMSELVES AND SEEING WHAT WERE ALL THE CIRCUMSTANCES? WAS IT SPEED RELATED OR NOT? IT MAY BE DESIGN RELATED.

WE MIGHT FIND THAT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THAT WE COULD ADDRESS SAFETY THAT DON'T HAVE TO DO A SPEED AND MAYBE HAVE MORE TO DO WITH THAT BUILD ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH SOME OF OUR OTHER EFFORTS OF LIKE LOOKING AT RADAR SIGNS, LOOKING AT FEATURES THAT MIGHT SLOW DOWN DRIVERS AS THEY PASS THROUGH A CORRIDOR.

SO I GET THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE ADDED THAT KIND OF SPECIFICITY OF WHAT THE STEPS WOULD BE.

BUT THEN WHAT DO WE DO? WE WRITE DOWN OUR FINDINGS.

WE PUT IN A BINDER, WE PUT IT ON THE SHELF, LIKE, DOES IT GO INTO A WORK PLAN? WHAT WHAT DO WE DO? THAT IS A DELIVERABLE FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS.

WHEN WE'VE LOOKED AT THEIR ROAD AND SAID, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT, PEOPLE ARE SPEEDING AND IT'S REALLY DANGEROUS, BUT WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT INFORMATION? IT REALLY DEPENDS. IT COULD BE A CAPITAL PROJECT.

IN SOME CASES WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT A STREET THAT'S ON THE 2019 BOND AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO CHANGE THE ENVIRONMENT AS WE DELIVER THAT CAPITAL PROJECT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEAL OUTCOME.

WE'RE ALREADY WORKING THERE. WE CAN MAKE CHANGES THAT IMPROVE SAFETY.

I'D SAY IN A LOT OF CASES IT'LL BE MORE TACTICAL AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DONE THIS KIND OF WORK IS HOW CAN WE USE PAINT FLECKS, POSTS, VERY INEXPENSIVE MATERIALS TO ALTER THE ENVIRONMENT QUICKLY AND MAKE THOSE MAKE THOSE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS.

IT COULD BE TRAFFIC CONTROLS.

SO DO WE NEED TO INSTALL A SIGNAL OR A STOP SIGN, ADD ADDITIONAL WARNINGS? THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME CASES I SAW IN THE SPEED STUDY WHERE WE'D WANT TO ADD WARNINGS FOR WE HAVE A LOT OF ROADWAY DEPARTURE CRASHES AND THERE THERE ARE A LOT OF TOOLS THAT WE CAN USE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE TYPICAL CHALLENGES IS REALLY JUST PAIRING THE RIGHT TOOL.

FINDING THE COST BUDGET IS CERTAINLY AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT, MAKING SURE THAT ANYTHING WE IDENTIFY ISN'T ALWAYS THE PLATINUM STANDARD.

WE MIGHT NEED TO CHOOSE THE BRONZE AND AND GET OUT THERE AND DO IT QUICKLY TO IMPROVE SAFETY.

BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF TOOLS THAT THAT WE CAN USE TO IMPROVE SAFETY AND ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES.

AND IT JUST DEPENDS ON KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN EITHER CAPITAL PROJECTS OR IS IT SOMETHING MORE TACTICAL, TACTICAL THAT COMES OUT OF TRAFFIC OPERATIONS OR STREETS DEPARTMENT WORK, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SURE. THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE MY DIRECTION.

I'M NOT SURE WHO ELSE MAYORS ARE ENGAGED THERE.

THAT WOULD BE MY DIRECTION IS TO TO TAKE THAT DATA DRIVEN, TARGETED APPROACH.

BUT I'M VERY CAUTIOUS IN SAYING THAT BECAUSE I WANT TO GIVE THAT DIRECTION AWAY.

THAT KEEPS THE PUN INTENDED, THE PEDAL TO THE METAL BECAUSE WE HAVE A VISION ZERO.

WE'VE ADOPTED IT AS SOMETHING AS A AT THE POLICY LEVEL THAT WE WANT TO SEE HAPPEN.

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THERE'S MORE WORK THAN WE CAN WE CAN HANDLE.

BUT THIS IS A BIG, BIG DEAL.

AND SO MY DIRECTION IS THAT WE PROCEED WITH THAT FOR MYSELF WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD PROCEED WITH THAT DATA DRIVEN APPROACH TO FURTHER STUDY RESIDENTIAL STREETS AND WHATEVER WAY WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS TOP OF MIND AND IS A MAJOR PRIORITY.

AND I SAY THAT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE'VE GOT A MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PRICE TAG ON SPEED LIMIT SIGNS TODAY, BY THE TIME WE GET AROUND TO STUDY AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLACES, WE'RE GOING TO END UP SPENDING MORE THAN A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO IT OVER TIME AND WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN A MORE TARGETED WAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS OK MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS IS JUST A BRIEF FOLLOW UP TO COUNCILOR DAVIS.

HOW FAST CAN WE TYPICALLY DO IF THAT TACTICAL STRIKE TEAM PAINTING APPROACH.

GIVEN REALISTIC LIMITATIONS? YEAH, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW LARGE OF A CORRIDOR WE'RE LOOKING AT AS AN INTERSECTION OR.

SO I'D SAY A TYPICAL PROCESS IF YOU'RE PULLING DATA, CONDUCTING AN EVALUATION TO IDENTIFY YOUR SOLUTIONS, SO TO SPEAK, YOUR TOOLS 2 TO 6 MONTHS DEPENDING ON COMPLEXITY, LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY SMALL, YOU CAN DO RATHER QUICKLY.

BUT CERTAINLY SOME OF THE CORRIDORS AROUND THE CITY WOULD TAKE MORE TIME.

OR IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME MORE TIME JUST AS A SPITBALL ANSWER, IF YOU WILL, TO ACTUALLY GET OUT AND IMPLEMENT THINGS.

JAMES ANDREWS TRAFFIC OPERATIONS.

THEY'VE BEEN REALLY GOOD ABOUT QUICKLY RESPONDING TO NEEDS.

I WOULD POINT TO THE ELM AND LOCUST AT PARKWAY WHERE WE QUICKLY GOT ALWAYS STOP SIGNS OUT TO ADDRESS A KNOWN SAFETY CHALLENGE THERE.

SO SOME SOME SOLUTIONS ARE VERY QUICK AND EASY TO IMPLEMENT.

SOME ARE GOING TO TAKE MORE TIME.

AND IF WE TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE PED HYBRID BEACON OR A HAWK SIGNAL, RAPID FLASHING BEACONS, THINGS THAT COST MORE MONEY, THOSE ARE GOING TO TAKE MORE TIME.

WE HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL TO ASK FOR FUNDING FOR SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.

SO IT'S REALLY JUST GOING TO DEPEND ON SORT OF HOW LONG IT TAKES TO RUN AN EVALUATION, COME UP WITH SOME TOOLS, AND THEN THE OVERALL COST TO GET THAT STUFF IMPLEMENTED.

AND I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT THE THINGS THAT NATHAN ARE MENTIONING ARE NOT NECESSARILY WITH 25 MILE PER HOUR.

THOSE ARE TARGETED APPROACH THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH A 30 MILE PER HOUR.

IF WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING FROM A 25 MILE PER HOUR PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE NOT STUDIED THE RESIDENTIAL ROADS.

IT WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL TIME FRAME AND A FINANCIAL COMMITMENT TO DO AN ENTIRE STUDY OF THE ENTIRE CITY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE.

AT THIS POINT, WE ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM A POLICY DRIVEN PERSPECTIVE.

SO THE THINGS THAT HE'S EVALUATING OR MENTIONING OR SPECIFICALLY ON EXISTING CONDITION, 30 MILE PER HOUR, ARE THERE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO TRY TO CALM THE TRAFFIC IN THOSE AREAS? IF WE'RE RECEIVING COMPLAINTS, CONCERNS OR ISSUES THAT COME UP.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I WILL I WILL LEND MY SUPPORT TO COUNCILOR DAVIS IN KEEPING THAT TACTICAL APPROACH SORT OF ALMOST OPERATIONAL AT LEVEL AND IF WE CAN.

BUT BUT ALSO, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT LETTING I MEAN, WE HAVE TO BE LED BY THE CRASH DATA.

THERE'S NO ARGUMENT THERE.

THE DATA IS THE DATA.

AT THE SAME TOKEN, THAT THAT CRASH DATA, THOSE INCIDENCES ARE PEOPLE.

AND THE WHOLE POINT IS WE SHOULD ZERO TO WHERE THAT CRASH DATA GOES TO ZERO.

SO IF I FEEL LIKE THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT BEING LED BY THE CRASH DATA BUT THEN NOT BEING ABLE TO IMPLEMENT SOLUTIONS FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE AND WE HAVE TO FIND THAT MIDDLE GROUND.

SO THANK YOU. MAYOR, CAN I ASK SO I JUST WANT TO BE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR WITH WHAT DIRECTION WE'RE GIVEN HERE.

COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS AND I UNDERSTAND WITH MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE GIVING US DIRECTION TO TAKE TACTICAL APPROACH ON THE VARIOUS ISSUES THAT ARISE, OR ARE YOU SAYING GO ACROSS THE CITY AND EVALUATE ALL OF THEM AND USE TACTICAL APPROACHES TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS? OKAY? YEAH.

I THINK IT'S GOT TO BE SOME VERSION OF THE SECOND ONE.

I'M NOT FOR ME, JUST FOR MYSELF.

I'M UNDERSTAND THE STAFF AND BUDGET LIMITATIONS TO DOING THAT CITY WIDE RIGHT NOW.

BUT ISSUES AS THEY ARISE THEY HAVE ARISEN THEY ARE THEY ARE THEY'RE IN SOME OF THOSE STREETS WHERE YOU CAN ONLY GO 20 DRIVING DOWN PANHANDLE OR SOMETHING.

YOU'RE JUST NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SAME PRIORITY NECESSARILY AS A PLACE WHERE THUNDERBIRD, WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING OFF THE HIGHWAY FRONTAGE AND JUST ZOOMING DOWN ALL THE TIME AND WE MAYBE NEED TO LOOK AT SLOWING THEM DOWN OR OLD NORTH.

WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT SOME OTHER PLACES.

SO WHEN I HEAR THE WORD TACTICAL, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD ONE.

I SEE THAT AS YOU PICK YOUR TARGET, YOU PICK YOUR PRIORITY AND YOU GO AFTER IT AND.

WE JUST CAME OUT OF THE BUDGET CYCLE.

BUT THE OPERATIONAL NATURE OF THAT HAVEN'T THAT THAT'S WHAT WE DO IN DENTON IS WE JUST KEEP LOOKING FOR WHERE WE NEED TO FIX THE ROADS AND WE JUST KEEP DOING THAT.

[02:30:09]

I THINK THOUGH IT IS MORE OF WHERE WE ARE USING THE DATA TO FIND THE ISSUES OR OTHERS THAT ARISE THROUGH ACCIDENTS AND THINGS THAT OCCUR.

THEN WE USE THAT APPROACH TO TO DO OUR TO WORK WITH OUR STAFF, TO TO PUT IN THE VARIOUS MECHANISMS TO SLOW IT DOWN, TO MITIGATE IT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, VERSUS JUST A COMPLETE GO OUT AND LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE ROAD.

IT WOULD BE VERY COSTLY, VERY TIME CONSUMING, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT.

IT DOESN'T MEAN WE WON'T BE AT THAT POINT SOME TIME, BUT I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR SO STAFF KNOWS THE DIRECTION.

YEAH, JUST TO BUILD ON THAT POINT, IF I COULD, WE OUT OF THE CITYWIDE SPEED STUDY, WE HAVE A LOT OF DATA THAT TELLS US THE BIGGER STREETS WE'RE HAVING, THE BIGGER PROBLEMS WHERE WE'RE SEEING MORE PEOPLE GET INJURED OR KILLED.

AND OUR FOCUS PROBABLY HAS TO BE ON THESE MAJOR STREETS THAT WEREN'T STUDIED IN THE CITYWIDE SPEED STUDY.

WE'RE GOING TO IDENTIFY OUT OF LOOKING AT DATA IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, SOME RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT MAY NOT BE DOING VERY WELL.

BUT I'D SAY IF WE'RE LOOKING AT WHERE WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING OUR EFFORT, IT'S THOSE MORE MAJOR STREETS.

IT'S PARTNERING WITH TECH START TO TRY AND HAVE THEM TAKE SOME ACTIONS ON THEIR OWN STREETS AND CERTAINLY TRYING TO GET THE SPEED LIMITS PUSHED DOWN ON SOME OF THOSE STREETS WHERE WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF CRASHES.

BUT A LOT OF FOCUS HAS TO BE ON THOSE MORE MAJOR STREETS.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE.

JUST LIKE TO ADD MY SUPPORT FOR MAINTAINING THE 30 MILE PER HOUR PRIMA FASCIA SPEED LIMIT AND EXAMINING THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE HIGHER RESIDENTIAL CRASH RATES, PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE MORE SERIOUS AND TARGETING THOSE AREAS WITH.

MAYBE SPEED CUSHIONS, HAWK BEACONS, MAYBE STOP SIGNS.

OTHER THINGS THAT THAT BESIDES LOWERING THE SPEED LIMIT, THAT COULD HELP WITH THOSE AREAS.

BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR POINT YOU JUST MADE ABOUT THE BIG PROBLEMS ARE ON THE BIG ROADS AND THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THE FATALITIES ARE HAPPENING AND THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS MOST OF OUR RESOURCES.

ANYONE ELSE? SO I WANT TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE, WHY DID IT HAVE TO BE SIGNALS? WHY CAN'T THEY BE LIKE PTERODACTYL OR SOMETHING MORE INTIMIDATING? I DO NOT KNOW. ALL RIGHT.

I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT.

OUR EMAIL, YOU MAYBE YOU CAN EMAIL ME BACK AND ANSWER, MAYBE NO.

BUT BUT THEN ALSO, I THINK JUST MY LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION, I LIKE IT, BUT I THINK IT'S A LITTLE EARLY.

RIGHT? WE'RE ABOUT TO SPEND $150 MILLION ON STREET REPAIRS, FIVE YEAR BOND, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK ABOUT THREE YEARS WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF THOSE ROADS DONE.

AND THAT THEN TO ME, SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THE TIME, RIGHT? BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET SOME OF THOSE STREETS UPGRADED, WE SAW IT AT KURLA.

YOU SEE IT EVERYWHERE. I MEAN, THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE ARE LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, I CAN GO.

AND THEN THEN ALSO HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD WITH ELM AND LOCUSTS AND KIND OF THEN WE'LL USE THAT DATA TO KIND OF MAYBE RESHAPE THOSE ROADS OR GET A FEEL FOR WHAT WE WANT THAT TO LOOK LIKE.

SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THEN I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, MAKE EVERYONE AWARE THAT THAT NATHAN IS HEADED TO THE SUNSHINE STATE, WHICH BUMS ME OUT.

WE HAD AN AWARD WINNING VIDEO TOGETHER AND NOW WE'RE BREAKING UP.

SO YOU'RE BREAKING UP THE TEAM.

BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU.

YOU STEPPED INTO A VERY HOT SEAT AND HIT THE GROUND RUNNING.

AND SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE, YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

AND I JUST YOU KNOW, I OPEN THE FLOOR FOR WHOEVER WANTS TO SAY GREAT THINGS ABOUT NATHAN, HIS FAMILY.

BUT JUST WANTED TO IF I COULD JUST SAY I'VE REALLY APPRECIATED THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THIS COUNCIL ON THE ISSUES THAT I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT 15 MONTHS, BUT REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS.

MOBILITY PLAN WORKING ON THIS CITYWIDE SPEED STUDY.

SO IT'S BEEN A LOT OF FUN.

I'M SAD TO BE LEAVING.

WE'RE MAKING THE MOVE FOR FAMILY REASONS, BUT TRULY HAVE APPRECIATED OUR TIME TOGETHER.

AND I'M GOING TO BE CHEERING FOR YOU GUYS FROM THE SUNSHINE STATE.

THERE YOU GO. ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM, I JUST WANT TO COSIGN ON THE MAYOR'S STATEMENTS.

YOU. IN THE SHORT TIME YOU'VE BEEN WITH US, IT'S.

I'VE SEEN, I DON'T KNOW, PROBABLY FEELS LIKE APPROACHING A DOZEN OF THE THINGS THAT MY MY CONSTITUENTS HAVE ASKED ME TO DEAL WITH HAVE BEEN NATHAN GEORGE PROJECTS.

AND I FEEL LIKE, OH, WE'RE JUST DOING GOOD.

WE'RE STARTING TO GET SOME MOMENTUM UNDER OUR BELT.

AND SO I, I'M HAPPY, I GUESS, FOR YOUR FAMILY AND I'M I'M SAD FOR THIS FAMILY.

SO ANYONE ELSE.

GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM E, WHICH IS ID 222029.

[E. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding an update on the Wastewater Master Plan. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

[02:35:03]

AFTERNOON. STEPHEN GAY, DIRECTOR OF WATER UTILITIES.

WHICH ONE IS THIS, JOHN? AND IN THAT SHORT, SHE NAMED IT PLANNING.

SCOTT. BEAR WITH ME FOR A MOMENT.

JUST LOOKING FOR THE PRESENTATION.

IT WAS LOADED UP. YEAH.

I DON'T SEE HER THERE EITHER.

RIGHT THERE. RIGHT.

THEIR NAME CHANGED.

NAME CHANGE. NAME CHANGE.

NAME CHANGE. NAME CHANGE.

I'M GOING TO HAVE JOHN ATKINS.

HE'S OUR CONSULTANT WITH KIMLEY-HORN, WHO'S BEEN LEADING THE EFFORT ON OUR WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN.

I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO HIM. HE'S GOING TO GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE ABOUT 50% COMPLETE WITH THE PROJECT.

AND WE'LL WE'LL STAND FOR SOME QUESTIONS AFTER AFTER JOHN'S PRESENTATIONS.

THANKS. ALL RIGHT.

THANKS, STEVEN. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY IT'S ALWAYS FUN FOR ME TO COME WORK FOR THE CITY OF LONDON, MY FAMILY'S THREE GENERATIONS OF UNDP.

MY GRANDMOTHER GOT HER MASTER'S DEGREE IN EDUCATION OVER 60 YEARS AGO HERE IN TOWN.

MY DAD STILL LIVES IN TOWN.

I USED TO SPEND MY SUMMERS UP HERE WITH MY GRANDMOTHER.

MY GRANDPARENTS, THEY'RE NOT LONGER WITH US.

BUT IT'S BEEN.

IT'S A SPECIAL PLACE FOR ME.

AND THEN MOST OF ALL, YOU ALL GAVE ME A SHOT TO.

TO COME DO ENGINEERING RIGHT OUT OF COLLEGE IN THE EARLY NINETIES.

TRAINED ME UP SO WELL.

I GOT RECRUITED AWAY TO GO BACK TO MY HOMETOWN OF FORT WORTH.

BUT I'VE BEEN THE SAME COMPANY KIMLEY-HORN EVER SINCE, FOR 26 YEARS.

SO IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE FOR ME TO GET TO COME BACK AND WORK AND WHAT I KIND OF CALL MY SECOND HOMETOWN.

SO. STEPHEN THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

AND THIS COUNCIL OBVIOUSLY TOO, FOR LETTING US LET ME BE A PART OF THIS IN MY TEAM.

EXCELLENT. THAT BEING SAID, LET'S GET STARTED.

KIND OF THE BIG PICTURE FOCUS TO THIS IS REALLY NOT DETAILS ON FINISHING THE PLAN.

WE WANTED TO COME TO YOU.

THE STAFF CAME TO US GOING, HEY, WE'VE GOT WE'RE SEEING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF GROWTH OUT IN THE WESTERN PORTIONS AND ACTUALLY BEYOND YOUR CITY LIMITS.

SO IT'S LIKE, HEY, LET'S LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT.

WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT TO PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE TO THAT LEVEL THAT KIND OF GOES OUT IN THE FUTURE THAT'S COMPREHENSIVE AND LET'S BRING THAT TO YOU AND GIVE YOU AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO SERVE THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT INTO THE FUTURE.

SO THAT'S WHAT THIS KIND OF THE PREMISE BEHIND THIS HIGH LEVEL PRESENTATIONS ABOUT, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO COVER THE PURPOSE OF THE MASTER PLAN, THE STUDY AREA LIMITS, THE FLOW PROJECTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT STUDY AREA BOUNDARY.

WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT HOW THAT SUPER HIGH LEVEL IN THE EXISTING SYSTEM THAT THEN WILL LET US DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO IMPROVEMENTS IN THE HICKORY CREEK AREA, THE CLEAR CREEK AREA.

AND I'LL KIND OF DEFINE THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE IN DETAILS.

AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS OF THE STUDY COMPLETION AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS.

SO THIS IS A KIND OF A STATEMENT THAT I PUT TOGETHER THAT I THOUGHT WAS JUST A SIMPLE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE THE PURPOSE OF MASTER PLANNING.

IT PROVIDES A ROADMAP FOR WHERE, WHEN AND WHAT SIZE INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES OR ADDITIONS ARE NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE GROWTH.

THAT'S THE SIMPLE FUNDAMENTALS OF WHAT MASTER PLANNING DO.

THEY CREATE A ROAD MAP FOR NOT ONLY YOUR STAFF BUT YOURSELVES AND THE COMMUNITY TO SEE TRANSLATE THE TRANSPARENCY TO WHERE YOU'RE HEADING IN THE FUTURE WHEN IT COMES TO INFRASTRUCTURE.

OK THE ORIGINAL STUDY AREA BOUNDARY WE SEE HERE IS THE CITY LIMITS YOU SEE IN THE BEIGE.

AND THEN WHAT WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT AND HAVE USED FOR YEARS AND YEARS HERE IN THE CITY WHEN WE'VE DONE STUDIES, WHETHER IT WAS THE IMPACT FEE UPDATES OR OTHER STUDIES IS YOUR CN BOUNDARY, WHICH IS SHOWN IN GREEN, WHICH IS DEFINED AT THE STATE LEVEL.

AS DEVELOPMENT.

WHEN I WAS TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, WHAT YOU SEE IN THESE BOXES ARE THIS BOUNDARY AREAS OF SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S JUST COME IN, ESPECIALLY THE AREAS OUT ON 380 THAT HAVE COME IN IN THE LAST YEAR THAT SCOTT AND HIS GROUP HAVE HAD TO CONTEND WITH AND HAVE THEN GOT WITH THEIR STAFF AND THEN THEY GOT WITH US TO GO, HEY, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PROBABLY THE 100 COAL THAT YOU SEE DOWN IN THE SOUTHWEST COMPONENT, WHICH IS WITHIN YOUR CITY LIMITS.

BUT OTHER AREAS OUTSIDE OF THAT, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT THESE FROM A BIG PICTURE STANDPOINT.

SO CAN WE EXPAND THE STUDY AREA? AND SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN KIND OF THE PINK COLOR IS THE EXPANSION OF THE STUDY AREA OUT TO YOUR E.T.A..

SO WE'VE KIND OF WE'VE EXPANDED OR ARE LOOKING AT A LARGER AREA THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS.

[02:40:06]

SO WHAT WE DID HERE WAS REACHED BACK, WORKED WITH SCOTT AND HIS TEAM IN STARTING AT THIS YEAR TO GO, OKAY, YOU'RE WORKING IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE WANT TO LEAN ON YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SPECIFICALLY THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT YOU SEE HERE EXHIBITED TO DEFINE WHAT KIND OF FLOW PROJECTIONS BY LAND USE TYPE WE'RE GOING TO USE.

SO THAT WAS THE FOUNDATION WHICH YOU ALL APPROVED THIS STUDY BACK IN THE SPRING, AND WE'VE BEEN UTILIZING IT FOR OUR FLOW PROJECTIONS.

ONE THING THAT'S GOING TO BE UNIQUE WHEN I SHOW YOU THE FLOW PROJECTIONS WE SHOW AS WE GET IN OUT TO THE EXPAND OUT INTO THE CITY BEYOND THE CITY LIMITS, CCN AREAS, YOU'LL SEE FLOW RANGES AND YOU'RE LIKE, WHY DO YOU HAVE FLOW RANGES? WELL, WHAT YOU SEE IN OUT IN THOSE FURTHER REACHES IS A BIG GREEN SWATH TO THE NORTH AND WESTERN AREAS.

AND THOSE ARE YOUR AREAS RIGHT NOW THAT EITHER DEFINED AS AG OR, OR OR RURAL.

AND THE FLOWS FOR THOSE ARE FAIRLY LOW.

SO IF YOU TALK ABOUT THE CRITERIA THAT'S WRITTEN IN THERE, IT'S MAYBE ONE UNIT OF DEVELOPMENT PER FIVE ACRES.

AND SO THAT'S A FAIRLY LOW NUMBER.

SO THAT IS KIND OF THE STARTING BASE LEVEL RANGE NUMBER.

WHEN WE SEE THESE GROWTH NUMBERS OR THE FLOW PROJECTIONS, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU UP TO THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE SEEING COME IN, IS YOU'RE KIND OF YOUR TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH FALLS MORE IN YOUR LOW RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY.

SO WHAT WE THEN DID TO GIVE YOU A HIGH END RANGE AND IT'S JUST AN ASSUMPTION AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME TO GIVE YOU AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE WAS THEN APPLY THAT LOW RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY TO ALL THE GREEN AREAS YOU SHOW HERE.

SO WHEN YOU SEE A LOW END AND A HIGH END, THAT'S HOW THAT WAS DEFINED.

SO FIRST OF ALL, WHAT DO YOU WHAT KIND OF AVERAGE DAILY DEMAND OR AVERAGE DAILY FLOWS IS THE CITY EXPERIENCING TODAY? YOU GO, WHERE DID YOU GET THAT NUMBER? WELL, WE PUT FLOW MONITORING DEVICES OUT IN THE SYSTEM.

PLUS AT YOUR CURRENT WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, YOU HAVE FLOW EQUIPMENT OUT THERE THAT MEASURES WHAT YOUR FLOWS ARE.

SO THAT'S HOW WE GET AN ACTUAL WHAT YOUR ACTUAL FLOWS THAT ARE OCCURRING TODAY ON AVERAGE IS ABOUT 13 MILLION.

THE MGD STANDS FOR MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.

SO THAT'S WHAT THE AREA IN GREEN THAT YOU SEE HERE SHOWS YOU.

NOW, YOUR TREATMENT PLANTS ACTUALLY BUILT FOR A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.

THERE'S A NUANCE TO THEIR TO WHERE THE CAPACITY OF THE PLANT IS ACTUALLY RATED ON A LITTLE BIT HIGHER NUMBER AND IT'S CALLED IT'S BECAUSE OF THREE CONSECUTIVE MONTHS OF AVERAGE DAILY FLOWS WHICH USUALLY HAPPENS IN THE SPRING DUE TO RAIN EVENTS.

AND RAIN GETS INTO THE THE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT SYSTEM.

THOSE NUMBERS ARE CLOSER TO AVERAGE DAILY FLOWS.

THREE MONTH AVERAGE ARE PROBABLY CLOSER TO 15 OR 16 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

AND THE SIZING OF THAT PLANT FACILITY IS TIED A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT.

BUT THAT'S A THAT'S A LEVEL OF DETAIL.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO TOO MUCH TODAY.

SECONDLY, SO WE'RE NOW WE APPLIED THE PLANNING, THE YOUR LAND USE PLAN THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND THEN APPLIED THE FLOW RANGES BY LAND USE TYPE THAT YOU SEE. SO WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, IF YOU BUILT OUT COMPLETELY INTO THE CITY LIMITS, YOU'D SEE AN ADDITIONAL FLOW BETWEEN 40 AND 46 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, THE FLOW. IF YOU THEN APPLIED YOUR CN BOUNDARY, WHICH HAS BEEN YOUR STUDY AREA BOUNDARIES THAT HAVE BEEN USED IN THE PAST, YOU WOULD ADD ADDITIONAL 13 TO 34.

AND YOU SAY, WOW, THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG A BIGGER RANGE THAN YOU SAW.

WE'RE MOVING FARTHER OUT.

MORE AND MORE GREEN AREA WAS SHOWN IN THE IN THE LAND USE PLAN.

AND THAT'S WHY THAT RANGE IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.

AND THEN LASTLY, WHEN WE GO ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE EGG, THAT RANGE IS 3 TO 56.

SO YOU SEE A TOTAL UP IN THE CORNER OF 69 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, UP TO 144 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

THAT COULD BE IF YOU BUILT OUT THE ENTIRE STUDY AREA BOUNDARY, THAT COULD BE THE FLOW RANGE.

YOU COULD SEE OVER THE LONG TERM FOR AVERAGE DAILY FLOWS OF WASTEWATER IN THE SYSTEM.

YOU KIND OF LOOK AT THIS AND YOU GO, WHY WOULD YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE AREA? WELL, IT'S THAT PHILOSOPHY TO BEGIN WITH THE END IN MIND.

SO WE WANT TO TAKE A COMPREHENSIVE VIEW OF IN PERPETUITY.

WHERE WOULD WE HAVE TO GO? LET'S LET'S LOOK BIG PICTURE VISION HERE.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE LOOKING ALL THE WAY OUT TO YOUR BUILD OUT.

IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE IN ANY KIND OF ANALYSIS.

THIS HAVE BEEN DONE FOR YOUR WASTEWATER PLANNING EFFORTS.

OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO SHIFT GEARS A LITTLE BIT HERE AND SHOW THIS AREA BY BASIN.

AND YOU GO, WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS A BASIN? WELL, A WASTEWATER BASIN DRAINAGE BASIN MIMICS YOUR NATURAL WATERSHEDS OR STORMWATER BASINS.

[02:45:07]

I'LL TURN MY LITTLE LASER POINT HERE ON THAT.

IF YOU TAKE THE CONCRETE BASIN, IF YOU WILL, RIGHT HERE, IT RUNS TO THE CITY.

YOU ALL HAVE HEARD OF THE CONCRETE GET RUNS RIGHT BACK HERE BEHIND CITY HALL.

THAT IS THE CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THE CENTRAL PART OF THE CITY AND THEN DISCHARGES INTO LAKE LEWISVILLE.

WELL, MOST OF YOUR LARGEST WASTEWATER CONVEYANCE INFRASTRUCTURE IS GRAVITY SANITARY SEWER, WHICH MIMICS AND RUNS ESSENTIALLY PARALLEL TO YOUR CREEK SYSTEM.

SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS KIND OF A IT LOOKS LIKE A DRAINAGE BASIN, IF YOU WILL, WHICH HAS A CREEK RUNNING THROUGH IT WHERE YOUR SANITARY SEWER SYSTEMS DESIGN THE SAME WAY.

SO WE HAVE A CONVEYANCE LINE.

I'LL SHOW YOU SOME MORE DETAILS HERE IN A MINUTE.

WHEN WE DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT, YOU HAVE A CONVEYANCE LINE THAT RUNS WITHIN THE CONCRETE BASIN AND THAT'S MIMICKED AGAIN IN COOPER CREEK AND THEN CLEAR CREEK AND THEN ALSO HICKORY CREEK.

THOSE ARE NAMES OF CREEKS THAT MAY BE FAMILIAR TO YOU.

WE JUST USE THOSE EXACT SAME NAMES WHEN WE DEFINE THE WASTEWATER DRAINAGE BASINS THAT WE DO OUR ANALYSIS AND ENGINEERING WORK ASSOCIATED WITH.

SO FROM THAT, WE'LL DRAW DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WHAT I WAS TELLING YOU ABOUT TO THE EXISTING SYSTEM.

SO WHAT WE SHOW HERE AND THIS IS THE GREEN, THE THE SQUARE BOX HERE IS WHERE YOUR WASTE, YOUR SOUL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN IS IN THE SYSTEM.

WE CALL IT THE CON CREEK WATER RECLAMATION PLANT.

AND THEN THE GREEN LINE THAT COMES TO IT IS WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED A MINUTE AGO.

THAT'S THE MAJOR TRUNK LINE THAT PARALLELS THE PECAN CREEK, THAT YOUR MAJOR TRUNK MAIN, THAT GRAVITY FLOWS WASTEWATER TO THE PLANT.

NOW, YOU SEE THESE OTHER AREAS LIKE IN HICKORY CREEK, WHERE YOU SEE THIS LITTLE TRIANGLE.

THIS IS ACTUALLY AN AREA THAT ALSO COLLECTS WASTEWATER FLOW, BUT THEN PUMPS IT UPHILL OVER INTO THE CONCRETE BASIN AND THEN IT GRAVITY FLOWS THROUGH YOUR TREATMENT PLANT.

AND THAT SAME ACTIVITY HAPPENS IN THE THE COOPER CREEK PLANT OR COOPER CREEK BASIN, SORRY, GRAVITY FLOW COLLECTED AT A LEAST WHAT WE CALL A LIFT STATION. IT PUMPS OVER INTO PECAN AND THEN GRABS TO THE TREATMENT PLANT.

WHAT'S UNIQUE HERE, WE HAVE THE MILAM CREEK BASIN UP IN THIS AREA.

IT'S ACTUALLY A SUB BASIN SUB DRAINAGE BASIN OF CLEAR CREEK, WHICH ACTUALLY NATURALLY DRAINS THIS WAY.

BUT TODAY, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU SEE IN MARLIN CREEK UP HERE NEAR HIGHWAY 7735 HAS LIFT STATIONS THAT PUMP BACK OVER INTO THE CONCRETE BECAUSE THE ONLY TREATMENT PLANT YOU HAVE IS IN PECAN CREEK.

SO WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO BRING ALL THE WASTEWATER FLOW THAT'S OUTSIDE THE CONCRETE BASE AND INTO THE CONCRETE BASIN AND THEN DRAIN IT DOWN TO YOUR TREATMENT PLANT.

SO TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTO THAT POINTS TO THE BORDER COWBOY LIFT STATION, THE TA UNION 76 PHILLIPS STATION, WHICH ARE KIND OF THE OLD ORIGINAL NAMES OF THOSE BUSINESSES THAT WERE THERE.

THEY'RE NOT CALLED THAT ANYMORE, BUT WE KEPT THE NAME AS FAR AS THE LIFT STATIONS GO.

IT'S KIND OF GOT A HISTORY TO IT AND THOSE PUMP BACK OVER INTO CONCRETE.

THE COOPER CREEK LIFT STATION SITS OFF MAYHILL ROAD.

THIS IS ANOTHER LITTLE AERIAL PHOTO JUST SHOWS.

IT'S KIND OF A SIMPLE LITTLE THING THAT NOT MANY PEOPLE REALLY REALIZE WHAT THEY'RE DRIVING BY WHEN THEY SEE IT.

SIMILAR DOWN HERE AT HICKORY CREEK.

IF YOU KNOW WHERE THE OLD ALTON BRIDGE IS, THE HISTORICAL BRIDGE, THIS SITS JUST NORTH OF THERE.

AND THEN LASTLY, THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE CONCRETE WATER RECLAMATION PLANT THAT COLLECTS AND TREATS EVERY BIT OF THE WASTEWATER IN THE CITY TODAY.

SO THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF GIVES YOU A FEEL FOR THE EXISTING SYSTEM.

WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THE CONCRETE WATER RECLAMATION PLANT? IT'S GOT SIZE LIMITATIONS WHEN WE THINK ABOUT IT IN RELATION TO THAT 69 TO 144 MILLION GALLONS A DAY FLOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, EITHER THE RATE OF CAPACITY OF THE PLANT TODAY, IT CAN HANDLE 21 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

OKAY. NOW, THE ONE THING THAT ACTUALLY LIMITS THE USE OF THE PLANT IS THE FUTURE DISCHARGE CAPACITY.

SO THE WASTEWATER THAT COMES INTO THE PLANT TODAY IS DISCHARGED STRAIGHT INTO PACKAN CREEK.

IT'S TREATED TO A HIGH QUALITY TO ACTUALLY PROBABLY A HIGHER QUALITY DISCHARGE THAN WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE CREEK TODAY, DISCHARGES INTO THE CREEK AND THEN FLOWS DOWN INTO INTO LAKE LEWISVILLE.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THE WASTEWATER DISCHARGED FROM THE CITY TODAY.

AND SO THE CAPACITY, WHEN WE TALK TO THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY OR TCU, IT'S KIND OF THE STATE'S EPA, IF YOU WILL. THEY HAVE TOLD US THAT THE LIMIT THAT WILL BE ABLE TO DISCHARGE INTO CONCRETE, INTO THE FUTURE IS ONLY 30 MGD.

[02:50:02]

DURING THE STUDY PROCESS, WE REACHED OUT TO GO, HEY, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THE SITE ITSELF CAN HANDLE A BIGGER TREATMENT FACILITY? AND WE'RE LIKE, HEY, IS THERE SOMEWHERE ELSE WE COULD DISCHARGE ADDITIONAL FLOW? THE DOT YOU SEE RIGHT UP HERE IN THE CORNER IS A SPOT THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AND WE CAN GET AN ADDITIONAL 25 MGD OF DISCHARGE AT THAT LOCATION.

NOW, IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS JUST GRAVITATING OVER INTO THE PECAN CREEK.

WE'D HAVE TO PUMP IT TO THIS LOCATION, WHICH IS ADDITIONAL COST.

BUT WHAT IT DOES, IT GETS US AN ADDITIONAL 25 THAT GETS US ALL THE WAY UP TO THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING THAT TREATMENT PLANT GO AS LARGE AS 55 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE CAN GO TO.

NOW, WHAT YOU DO SEE HERE, AND IT'S THE KIND OF THE PREMISE OF THIS IS IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO GET TO BUILD OUT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TREAT SOMEWHERE ELSE WITHIN THE AREA EVENTUALLY.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE POINT OF THIS IS.

NOW, ONE THING THAT IS OCCURRING IS AN EXPANSION OF THE PLANT TODAY.

THE STAFF IS ALREADY MOVING FORWARD WITH GETTING DESIGN STARTED TO AN ADDITIONAL UPSIZE OF TO 26 MGD.

SO THERE'S ALREADY ACTIVITIES GOING ON FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING PLANT.

I WANT TO DRILL DOWN IN THE HICKORY CREEK BASIN A LITTLE BIT HERE.

I TALKED ABOUT THE DESCRIPTION OF IT AND THE GRAVITY LINE THAT SERVES IT TODAY AND THE LIFT STATION THAT PUMPS BACK OVER IN THE BAKKEN.

THIS IS KIND OF A JUST AN OUTLINE OF THE CITY LIMITS I PUT ON HERE.

IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO READ A LITTLE BIT AND SEE, BUT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.

SO RIGHT HERE YOU SEE THE 100 COAL WITH AN AVERAGE DAILY FLOW AT THEIR AT THEY'RE FULLY DEVELOPED FLOWS OF ABOUT 7 MILLION GALLONS A DAY IS WHAT THEY WOULD EXPERIENCE.

AND THEN THE OTHER AREAS THAT YOU SEE OUT HERE THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED BY STAFF, IT'S FULLY DEVELOPED FLOWS ABOUT 10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

SO IF YOU ADD THAT TOGETHER, PLUS WITH THE EXISTING ABOUT 3 MILLION GALLONS A DAY YOU'RE SEEING IN THE SYSTEM, OOPS.

THAT COMES UP TO A TOTAL OF ABOUT 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY TO HAVE TO TREAT.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE.

IS. A TREATMENT FACILITY WITHIN HICKORY CREEK OF 20 MILLION GALLONS.

AND THEN WE'RE SHOWING IN GENERAL, THIS IS SOMEWHAT CONCEPTUAL RIGHT NOW, BUT THE THE LINES THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE THE CONVEYANCE LINES THAT WOULD NEED TO SERVE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.

AND THEN EVENTUALLY TREATED.

SO FROM A GIVE YOU KIND OF A BALLPARK IDEA ON COST, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONVEYANCE SIDE, WHICH ARE THE GRAVITY MAINS THAT YOU SEE HERE.

FOR ABOUT $220 MILLION OR 0.22 BILLION, AND THEN A TREATMENT OF 20 MILLION GALLONS OF ABOUT $1,000,000,000.

SO THAT GIVES YOU A TOTAL OF ABOUT $1.27 BILLION OF INFRASTRUCTURE COST TO SERVE ALL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

NOW, KEEP IN MIND, YOU DON'T NEED THIS IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS KIND OF THING.

THIS IS A THING WHERE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS OF THIS PARTICULAR NATURE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 1015, COULD BE 20 YEAR TIME FRAME.

THIS IS ONE THING WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH YOUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO TALK ABOUT THE PACE AND YOU'RE SEEING MANAGERS OFFICE AND TALKING ABOUT THE PACE OF GROWTH FOR THESE PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENTS TO KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE THING TO SERVE THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE YOUR CITY LIMITS AND EVEN SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT ARE IN YOUR BUT HAVE NOT BEEN PART OF YOUR STUDY AREAS IN THE PAST? WE RUN INTO A COUPLE OF THINGS TO TALK ABOUT ON THIS.

IT'S A PHASED APPROACH.

ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE YOU SEE THE PIPELINE THAT'S INSIDE THE HUNTER COAL, THAT WOULD BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO BUILD.

I MEAN, CITIZENS WOULDN'T YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, THAT'S THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE.

NOW, IF YOU TALK ABOUT THE PART THAT'S FROM THERE TO THE CITY OR TO THE TREATMENT PLANT IN THE AREA IN HERE, THAT CAN BE PART OF THAT, THOSE KIND OF CALCULATIONS FOR THAT VALUE WOULD GO ROLE INTO YOUR IMPACT FEE PROGRAM FOR COST.

AND AS DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, THEY PAY THEIR IMPACT FEES.

THAT HELPS PAY FOR THOSE PORTIONS OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU MAY SEE HERE.

ALL RIGHT. LET'S JUMP UP THE CLEAR CREEK.

SIMILAR TYPE EXAMPLE.

REMEMBER, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE LIFT STATIONS AND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S DOWN HERE TODAY, THAT PUMP IN THE BAKKEN.

THERE'S THE CITY LIMITS RIGHT NOW.

YOU'VE GOT SOME CITY LIMITS HERE, AND THEN IT STRETCHES UP INTO THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE THE MILAM CREEK AREA, BEING A FOUR MGD AT THAT FULLY DEVELOPED FLOWS. AND THEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL SMALL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN TALKING TO THE CITY THAT'S RIGHT UP HERE AT THE EDGE OF YOURS.

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NOW, WHAT'S UNIQUE AND WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE IS THE CITY PURCHASED OVER 200 ACRES OF LAND BACK IN AROUND THE YEAR 2000, KNOWING FORD'S FOR ADDRESSING WASTEWATER TREATMENT.

SO THAT THAT LAND THE CITY ALREADY OWNS, THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO PURCHASE TODAY.

I DIDN'T MENTION A MINUTE AGO WHEN THE HICKORY CREEK BASIN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LAND.

THE CITY IS ALREADY IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH FOLKS ABOUT PURCHASING PROPERTIES TODAY TO ACCOMMODATE POTENTIAL TREATMENT FACILITIES IN HICKORY CREEK.

I DIDN'T MENTION THAT, BUT THAT'S THAT'S ALREADY GOING ON, TOO.

SO WHAT WOULD THE INFRASTRUCTURE LOOK LIKE HERE IN GENERAL, CONCEPTUALLY WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TO HANDLE THE FIVE MGD SHOWN WOULD BE A FIVE MGD PLANT AT THIS LOCATION AND THE CONVENIENCE OF GRAVITY LINES IN THIS PARTICULAR GENERAL CONCEPT ALONG THE CREEK, THE CREEKS.

THE CONVEYANCE COST OF ABOUT 95 MILLION.

THE TREATMENT ABOUT 250 TOTALING ABOUT $345 MILLION WORTH OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO. THE PRICE TAG FOR LOOKING AT FULLY DEVELOPED FLOWS FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.

TALKING ABOUT $1.62 BILLION OF INFRASTRUCTURE, THE BIG NUMBER.

THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT NOW.

THE STAFF WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOU EARLY.

WE'RE NOT LIKE STEVEN SAID, WE'RE 50, 60% THROUGH THE PLAN.

THIS IS A POINT IN TIME WE'RE BRINGING TO THE COUNCIL.

HEY, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO LOOK AT SERVING DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE THAT FAR OUT FROM YOUR SYSTEM, FROM YOUR CITY LIMITS, OUT BEYOND YOUR CN BOUNDARY INTO THE YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING THAT THE STAFF TALKED ABOUT AND THEY CAN SHARE WITH YOU IF THEY LIKE.

BUT I KNOW ONE EXAMPLE WHEN I WAS HERE, THE VACATION VILLAGE MOBILE HOME PARK THAT GOT BUILT NEAR DOWN BY THE LAKE SOUTHEAST OUT ON MCKINNEY WAS BUILT AND IT WAS ITS OWN PRIVATE WHERE THEY HANDLED THEIR OWN WATER AND SEWER OUT THERE.

THE GENTLEMAN THAT OWNED IT WENT BANKRUPT.

A PERSON THAT LIVED IN THE PROPERTY CALLED TCU AND SAID, HEY, WE'VE GOT NO WATER AND SEWER SERVICE.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? THE STATE CAME IN AND SAID, DENTON, YOU'RE THE BIGGEST, MOST VIABLE.

COMMUNITY, IF YOU WILL, THAT CAN FROM A HEALTH AND PUBLIC SAFETY STANDPOINT TO HELP SECURE THAT.

THEREFORE, YOU ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT AND ACCOMMODATE THAT DEVELOPMENT.

COULD THAT HAPPEN WITH THESE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS IN THE FUTURE? THAT'S A POSSIBILITY BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, THEY'RE LOOKING AND TRYING TO MAKE PROVISIONS ON THEIR OWN FOR WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THAT'S PART OF THE QUESTION OF WHY WE'RE COMING TODAY TO VISIT WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT, TALK ABOUT THIS NOW, KIND OF GET Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS AND IDEAS ON IF YOU WANT TO SERVE THOSE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS.

AND WE'RE JUST GIVING YOU AN IDEA ON ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF PRICE TAG ON DOING THAT SORT OF THING.

SO THAT BEING SAID, I'LL STOP.

WE'VE GOT KIND OF NEXT STEPS, BUT I'LL STOP RIGHT HERE A MINUTE AND OPEN THE FLOOR TO ANY KIND OF QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY.

YES, SIR. COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.

I THINK THE PROPOSED HICKORY CREEK WASTEWATER RECLAMATION PLANT.

WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE DISCHARGE DISCHARGE POINT FOR THAT? OR IS THAT PROPOSED THAT WE WOULD PIPE EFFLUENT BACK TO PECAN CREEK AND USE ONE OF THE DISCHARGE POINTS THAT YOU ALREADY MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION RIGHT NOW.

WE DID REACH OUT TO TCU.

I DIDN'T PUT THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL IN HERE, BUT IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

RIGHT NOW WE CAN DISCHARGE INTO HICKORY CREEK ADJACENT TO THE SITE ABOUT SIX AND A HALF MGD.

NOW, WHAT WE ALSO DID, KNOWING THAT THAT WASN'T ENOUGH IS WE IDENTIFIED AREAS UPSTREAM, IF YOU WILL, WHAT YOU END UP HAVING TO DO IF YOU CAN'T DISCHARGE AT THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION ANYMORE.

AND BASICALLY THIS DISCHARGES IN THE LAKE AND IT GETS OUT OF OUR PURVIEW OF BEING ABLE TO WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO A POINT WHERE IT'S BEYOND YOUR JURISDICTIONAL CONTROL, WE NEED TO STAY WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTIONAL CONTROL.

WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS GO UPSTREAM AND DISCHARGE ALONG THE CREEK IN THE PARTICULAR AREAS.

NOW, THE UNIQUE THING IS THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE IDENTIFIED.

YOU WOULD HAVE ENOUGH DISCHARGE POINTS UPSTREAM.

IS IT MORE COSTLY TO COLLECT AT THE TREATMENT PLANT AND THEN HAVE TO PUMP BACK UP AND DISCHARGE IN THE STREAM? IT IS. AND THAT'S ACCOMMODATED IN THESE NUMBERS.

NOW, WE HAVEN'T SHOWED IT BECAUSE IT START CLUTTERING UP THE MAP.

IF I TRIED TO SHOW YOU ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED.

NOW, THE UNIQUE THING THAT STEVENS BROUGHT FORWARD AND I THINK THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT IS THE ONE WATER PLAN.

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THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, IN A PERFECT WORLD, SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE, THAT EVERY BIT OF THIS 20 MGD CAN BE PUMPED RIGHT BACK INTO THAT PIPELINE AND THEN TREATED DIRECTLY AND BEEN USED BY YOUR YOUR THE CITIZENS TODAY AT THAT PLANT.

THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT FOR YOU GUYS IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

THAT'S PART OF THAT COMPREHENSIVE ONE WATER PLAN EXERCISE ALONG THOSE LINES.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO IMPOUND ANY OF THIS DISCHARGE? AND, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WANTS TO RUN A BOND, A PIPE FOR THEIR WATER FEATURE OR OTHER OTHER KIND OF MORE CREATIVE DISCHARGE OPTIONS? YES, THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE'LL ALSO THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE ONE WATER PLAN.

THE PHASE ONE OF THAT IS KIND OF A ECONOMIC ANALYSIS ON USERS IN TOWN THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN USE AND RE-USE FOR AN AMENITY, LET'S SAY GOLF COURSE, IRRIGATION OR LET'S SAY CITY PARK IRRIGATION, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO THAT'S BEING THAT WILL BE PART OF THAT PLAN AND BE LOOKING AT THAT ALSO.

YES. AND THEN LAST QUESTION, THE CONCRETE PROPOSED.

THE CONCRETE WASTEWATER RECLAMATION PLANT.

SO WE HAVE A LIFT STATION THERE.

NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? EXCUSE ME? ON CLEAR.

CLEAR CREEK. OH, CLEAR CREEK.

NO, WE DIDN'T. WE DON'T HAVE A LIFT.

WE HAVE PROPERTY. RIGHT.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING PREVIOUSLY THAT WAS.

PROPOSED WASTEWATER RECLAMATION.

PROPOSED LIFT STATION.

WHY? WHY? WASTEWATER RECLAMATION IN THAT LOCATION VERSUS A LIFT STATION OVER INTO OUR OTHER BASIN AND THEN CONTINUE EXPANDING CAPACITY.

CONCRETE. THAT'S A THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.

IT'S NOT A NO. NOW, WHAT WE'VE SHOWN HERE IS.

TO GET YOU IN PERPETUITY, TO NOT HAVE TO EVER TREAT, BUILD ANY MORE PLANTS AND HAVE THE CAPACITY.

THIS IS ONE PROPOSAL, ONE ONE PLANT IN CLEAR CREEK AND THEN ONE IN HICKORY.

COULD YOU PUT A LIFT STATION WHICH HAS BEEN PROPOSED AND IN FACT THAT'S THE PROJECT IN YOUR CURRENT YOUR 2018 IMPACT FEED REPORT RIGHT NOW IS ACTUALLY A LIFT STATION THAT'S BUILT HERE THAT PUMPS DOWN TO PECAN.

NOW, WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THAT, YOU GO DOES THAT BECOME EVENTUALLY WHEN YOU DO HAVE TO EVENTUALLY TREAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE SIZE LIMITATIONS IF IT CAN, IS DOES THAT THEN BECOME A SIGNIFICANT COST THAT GETS HYPOTHETICALLY THROWN AWAY IN THE FUTURE? COULD THOSE DOLLARS LET'S SAY IT'S A $100 MILLION FACILITY TO PUT A LIFT STATION AND SEND IT DOWN? I'M JUST KIND OF MAKING UP A NUMBER, BUT IT'S PROBABLY SOME ORDER OF MAGNITUDE LIKE THAT.

COULD THAT $100 MILLION BE BE APPLIED DIRECTLY TO WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE? THAT'S THE KIND OF THING.

NOW, THE REALITY IS TIMING.

IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE.

DO THE FACT THERE'S SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT IN THE MIDLAND CREEK AREA TODAY, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT ALL CURRENTLY HAS TO BE PUMPED INTO THE THE CONCRETE BASIN.

SO A LITTLE BIT BETTER PICTURE MAYBE RIGHT HERE.

THIS SHOWS IT. THE INFRASTRUCTURE RUNNING THROUGH TOWN TODAY CAN ONLY HANDLE SO MUCH.

AND SO ULTIMATELY, IT'S GOING TO NEED TO GO TO CLEAR CREEK.

NOW, IF YOU WANT TO COLLECT IT AND THEN PUMP IT BACK DOWN TO PACKAN, THAT'S AN OPTION.

IS IT CHEAPER THAN A TREATMENT FACILITY? YEAH. NOW, THE ONE THING IS, IS WHAT SIZE TREATMENT FACILITY ARE YOU GOING TO PUT? YOU MIGHT NOT NEED TO START OUT WITH A FIVE MGD FACILITY.

YOU KNOW. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD TO YOU NOW TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT.

THERE'S OPTIONS. THERE'S FOR THE TERM, THERE'S MORE THAN ONE WAY TO SKIN A CAT.

THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THAT HERE, TOO.

SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO AS WE ACTUALLY DRILL DOWN TO WHEN DEVELOPING YOUR FIVE YEAR, TEN YEAR, 20, 25 YEAR SIP.

AND ECONOMICALLY, WHEN WE START RUNNING THE NUMBERS, IF IT MAKES SENSE, MORE SENSE TO BUILD A STATION HERE AND PUMP DOWN THE PECAN, THEN ALBEIT WE'LL MAKE THAT LET'S MAKE THAT THE DECISION, KNOWING THAT EVENTUALLY A TREATMENT PLANT IS GOING TO NEED TO BE HERE.

THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT THAT NO MATTER OUR DIVISIONS IN THE CITY OF DENTON, WE ALL HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON AND THAT IS THE CONCRETE WASTEWATER RECLAMATION PLANT.

THAT'S TRUE, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF WE NEED DIRECTION TODAY.

I'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE MORE STAFF RECOMMENDATION BEFORE I'M READY TO SAY I'D RATHER NOT HAVE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS OVER BY CLEAR CREEK HERITAGE AREA AND THE BIG NEW SUBDIVISION SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD OUT THERE AND ALL OF OUR FRIENDS IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD.

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I'M NOT REALLY QUALIFIED TO GIVE THAT DIRECTION.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE OFFERING TODAY.

IS IT JUST INFORMATION? WELL, IT'S.

YEAH, GO AHEAD, STEVE.

STEVEN GAY DIRECTOR, WATER UTILITIES.

WE'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING FOR DIRECTION.

WE REALLY JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS INFORMATION TO YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE AWARE OF WHAT WE WERE SEEING DEVELOPING IN THE SYSTEM AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND WE'LL COME TO YOU WITH SOMETHING MORE REFINED AND THEN SEEK DIRECTION.

IS THAT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILOR DAVIS? THANK YOU. OK MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HAD SOME SIMILAR QUESTIONS.

SO IF WE IF WE EXPAND ALL THE HICKORY AND MILAM, WE HAVE SUFFICIENT DISCHARGE PERMITTING WITH THE TWO SITES THAT WE CAN HANDLE THAT WE WOULD NEED A THIRD DISCHARGE SITE ALONG SOMEWHERE ELSE.

PROBABLY MULTIPLE IN.

I CAN BRING IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE LEVEL OF DETAIL IN FUTURE, IT WOULD BE MULTIPLE DISCHARGE SITES.

YES. OK. AND THEN WE'RE.

SO THEN TWO MORE QUESTIONS.

ONE. IF IF WE'RE ANTICIPATING ALL THIS GROWTH.

AND THEN IN THE SAME SENSE THAT YOU YOU YOU SAID, WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADOPT THAT THAT MOBILE HOME PARK OR WHATEVER IT WAS, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO ADOPT IT. IS IT GENERALLY YOUR SENSE AND EVEN YOUR SENSE THAT WE WILL END UP ADOPTING THE DISCHARGE FROM THESE MUDS FROM THAT LARGER ETB? OR IS IT AN OPTION TO SAY, YOU KNOW, POUND SAND, GO FIND SOMETHING ELSE? WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

WHEN THE STATE STEPS IN, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN OPTION TO SAY, TELL A COMMUNITY TO GO POUND SAND.

SO WE'LL BE DIRECTED.

IT'LL BE IT'LL BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER FROM THE STATE THAT WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE SERVICES.

AND I THINK BEFORE I JOINED THE CITY, THERE WAS ANOTHER COMMUNITY, I THINK IT WAS GREEN TREE ESTATES THAT HAD A SIMILAR THING.

AND SO MOST OF THESE MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS ARE EITHER DOING SEPTIC SYSTEMS OR THEY'RE DOING WELLS.

AND ONE THING THAT WE KNOW ABOUT WELLS IS THAT THEY DRY UP OVER TIME.

THE WATER TABLE IS STRESSED ALREADY, AND THAT'S WHERE LIKE WITH THE GREEN TREE ESTATES THAT THEY TOOK IN, THE OWNER SHUT OFF THE WELL.

AND SO NOW THE COMMUNITY WAS LEFT WITHOUT WATER SERVICES.

AND SO THE UTILITY HAD TO RUN A LINE ACROSS TOWN TO PICK UP, WELL, NOT ACROSS TOWN, BUT A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE TO PICK UP WATER SERVICES FOR THAT COMMUNITY.

SO THERE IS A REAL RISK WITH THESE MUNICIPAL UTILITIES DISTRICTS RUNNING OUT OF WATER SERVICES AND THE ABILITY TO MANAGE THEIR WASTEWATER.

ONE OTHER THING I CAN POINT OUT A LITTLE BIT TO JUST IS A GOOD EXAMPLE HERE IS IF IF WE DIDN'T SERVE ANY OF THE DEVELOPMENT YOU SEE IN HICKORY CREEK AND WE JUST BUILT OUT WHAT WE DID, KIND OF A HYPOTHETICAL, IF WE JUST BUILT OUT THE CITY LIMITS AREA YOU HAVE TODAY IN HICKORY CREEK, IT WOULD BE ABOUT THIS.

NOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD GO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT YOU WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY, WHEN WE BUILD OUT THE CITY LIMITS IN HICKORY CREEK, WE'RE GOING TO NEED A 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY FACILITY.

SO IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO PLAN FOR, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN TO BE THESE DEVELOPMENTS.

NOW, THE PACE PROBABLY IS A LITTLE MORE SLOWER THAN THESE THINGS COMING IN TODAY, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO TO TO THINK ABOUT FROM A ESPECIALLY FROM A FINANCE LONG TERM.

AND I THINK ALSO IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT WE'VE HAD WE ARE HAVING COLLABORATIVE MEETINGS WITH ALL OF OUR ALL OF OUR CITIES AROUND AS CRUM, SANGER, AUBREY, JUSTIN, CORINTH.

GOSH, WHO ELSE TO TALK ABOUT LOOKING AT REGIONAL WATER FACILITIES, REGIONAL THINGS, SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THIS FROM A MORE COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH BECAUSE THEY CAN HELP US.

THEY ARE GOING TO BE IN DIRE NEED.

TRUST ME, WHEN YOU TALK TO CRUM AND SANGER ABOUT BEING ABLE TO GET RID OF THE WASTE WATER AND OTHER THINGS AND AND GO EVEN FURTHER FOR SOME OF THEM MUDS, YOU'RE BUILDING PACKAGE PLANTS AND HAVING TO FIND PLACES FOR THEIR SLUDGE.

THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS HERE WHY THIS IS SO IMPORTANT AND NOT NOT TO FORGET ABOUT WHEN THEY DO A PACKAGE PLANT, THEY'RE DISCHARGING INTO THE CREEKS, WHICH TAKE UP OUR CAPACITY AS WELL.

SO IF THEY'RE DISCHARGING AT A POINT ABOVE WHERE WE ARE, IT EATS UP THAT CAPACITY AS IT MOVES FURTHER DOWN THE CREEK.

SO I DO THINK THAT IT'S PRUDENT FOR US TO TO CONSIDER THESE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA.

I APPRECIATE THAT. MY LAST QUESTION IS WITH THE STATE LAND AND CLEAR CREEK AND ALL THAT.

AND I THINK COUNCILOR DAVIS SORT OF ALLUDED TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITY.

IF I IF I DON'T STRETCH THAT TOO FAR.

I KNOW WE KNOW THAT DEVELOPMENT IS COMING.

WE'RE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIBLE IN THAT REGION.

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YOU'RE ASKING IF THERE'S SOME COSTS THAT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING IN THIS STUDY.

WELL, LET ME ASK SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AREA, THE SENSITIVE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL AREA.

YEAH. THE ONE THING THAT DOES AND I DON'T KNOW, WE CAN GO BACK A LITTLE BIT, THE PROPERTY PURCHASED HERE.

I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHY IT'S NOT ALL THE WAY AT THE EDGE OF THE BASIN IS IT'S OUT OF A ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA, IF YOU WILL, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

NOW, THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY IS RIGHT UP AGAINST THE CREEK.

SO I'M GUESSING THERE'S PROBABLY SOME FLOODPLAIN AREA THAT'S SENSITIVE IN THERE.

BUT THE THE VAST PORTION OF THE 200 ACRES, WHICH IS MORE THAN ENOUGH TO BUILD A FACILITY LIKE THIS, IS NOT IT'S IN A MORE TRADITIONAL JUST VACANT LAND OUT THERE THAT USED TO BE FOR CATTLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO. I WOULD I WOULD I WOULD I WOULD ADD ON TO THAT AS WHEN WE'RE THE ADVANCEMENT AND TREATMENT TECHNOLOGY HAS ALLOWED ALLOWS US TO RECLAIM OR TREAT THE WATER TO A QUALITY THAT EXCEEDS THE EXISTING WATER QUALITY IN THE AREA.

SO WE WILL BE WHEN WE BUILD THESE TREATMENT FACILITIES, WE DEFINITELY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND AGAIN, TO THE POINT ABOUT WATER RECLAMATION, WE WOULD LIKE TO REUSE AS MUCH OF THE WATER AS WE POSSIBLY CAN AND OTHER APPLICATIONS.

SO DISCHARGING MAY NOT OCCUR AT THE LEVELS WE WE ASSUME THEY MIGHT WE MIGHT BE REUSING RECAPTURING A LARGE THE LION'S SHARE OF THAT OF THOSE FLOWS. OKAY.

I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND LOOK FORWARD TO MORE DETAILS.

AND AND AS I SAID, A NUMBER OF YEARS BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR OFFICE HERE, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE IN THE CITY.

YEAH, WE'RE A GREAT TEAM HERE.

IF YOU COULD GIVE US SOME IDEAS ON ADDITIONAL I MEAN, WE'RE ACTUALLY GROWING AND WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND.

I WAS TALKING TO OUR I KIND OF LEAD OUR FORT WORTH OFFICE.

AND ONE THING THAT PART OF THE COMMUNICATION SORRY, I'M REALLY DERAILING HERE A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'D LIKE MORE OFFICE SPACE AND WE'RE STRUGGLING TO FIND IT IN TOWN.

THAT WAS IT WAS A WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

NO, I'M SAYING OUR DENTON FOLKS THAT ARE ALREADY HERE.

YEAH, I'M SURE YOUR PHONE WILL BE RINGING MOMENTARILY.

WE LOVE. YEAH, WE DO LOVE THE.

YEAH, WELL, IT'S A YOU KNOW, I WAS TALKING TO OUR OFFICE PEOPLE, OUR REAL ESTATE PEOPLE, AND THEY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT, AND I WAS LIKE, HMM.

OK. YEAH.

SO IT'S A GREAT TEAM.

I SEE THEM IN A LOT OF EVENTS AND TALK TO THEM REGULARLY.

SO YEAH, THEY LOVE BEING HERE AND I'M COMING, YOU KNOW, I LOVE COMING UP HERE ON A REGULAR BASIS.

SO VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEAH. HAVE YOU SEEN MAYOR PARKER? TELL HER I SAY HELLO.

SHE'S GREAT. YEAH.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, THAT TAKES US.

DINNER'S HERE, BUT WE'LL GET THROUGH.

[F. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on pending City Council requests for: (1) A Work Session to discuss the issuance of an RFP for a downtown parking survey. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

WE ONLY HAVE ONE ITEM, SO I'LL CALL THAT.

IT'S ID TWO, TWO, ONE SIX, SIX, SEVEN.

RECEIVER PORT, WHOLE DISCUSSION.

GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON PENDING CITY COUNCIL REQUESTS.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I AM JENNIFER BRADY, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

WE ARE PRESENTING THE WORK SESSION PROCESS.

UP TO SEVEN REQUESTS WILL BE REVIEWED PER MEETING.

STAFF WILL INTRODUCE EACH REQUEST AND THE ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT MADE THE REQUEST WILL HAVE UP TO 2 MINUTES TO DESCRIBE AND JUSTIFY THAT REQUEST.

AND THEN YOU WILL EACH HAVE ONE MINUTE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND INDICATE YOUR SUPPORT FOR THAT.

THE AGENDA COMMITTEE WILL THEN ASSIST IN SCHEDULING ITEMS RECEIVING CONSENSUS BASED UPON THE PRIORITY OFFERED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

AND WE HAVE ONE ITEM TODAY FROM COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO I'M ASKING FOR US TO DEVELOP AN RFP FOR A DOWNTOWN PARKING SURVEY.

AND THIS IS NOT A PARKING COUNT.

THIS IS NOT HOW MANY SPOTS DO WE HAVE? HOW MANY SPOTS DO WE THINK WE NEED? ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

A PARKING SURVEY TELLS YOU THE SPOTS THAT ARE IN USE AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY, CERTAIN DAYS OF THE WEEK.

WHAT KINDS OF FOLKS, IF YOU CAN TELL, ARE USING THOSE SPOTS A LOT MORE LEVEL OF DETAIL TO THE DATA.

AND I REALIZE THAT WE HAVE A DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN RFP THAT WE ARE DEVELOPING.

I DON'T WANT TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE GET THAT DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

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THAT NEEDS TO BE AN INPUT INTO THAT MASTER PLAN, NOT SOMETHING WE DO AFTER THE FACT.

WE NEED A LEVEL OF DATA THAT TELLS US HOW PEOPLE ARE USING THE PARKING, NOT JUST WHERE THEY PARK.

AND DO THEY WISH THEY COULD PARK CLOSER? DO WE NEED MORE CITY LOTS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

AND WHEN WE GET INTO THAT MASTER PLAN PROCESS FOR DOWNTOWN, THE FIRST THING FOLKS ARE GOING TO TELL US AT THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS ARE WE NEED MORE PARKING, WE NEED MORE PARKING, NEED MORE PARKING. THAT DATA IS GOING TO BE CRUCIAL IN THAT PROCESS, NOT AFTER THE FACT.

SO I'D LIKE TO GET THAT AGAIN.

IT'S MORE IT'S MORE DETAIL THAN JUST COUNT THE CARS.

I THINK WE'D PROBABLY NEED TO WE'D PROBABLY NEED A CONSULTANT.

YOU KNOW, THAT MEANS SOMETHING COMING FROM ME THAT WE'D NEED A CONSULTANT WITH THE ABILITY TO PUT THE WORKFORCE OUT THERE TO DO THE ACCOUNTING PART, BUT ALSO THE ANALYTIC PART ON THE BACK END TO TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE PARKING.

OK. ANY COMMENTS? MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. IT'S ALL THESE PARKING WITH YOU, JESSE.

IT'S JUST PARKING.

I SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE FOR PRETTY MUCH THE REASONS HE SAID, I THINK IF IF YOU'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER THE CONTENTIOUS ISSUE, THE LAST APPROACHES OF PARKING MINIMUMS AND USE AND FREQUENCY, YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THAT USE AND FREQUENCY IS TO BE ABLE TO ADJUST YOUR PARKING MINIMUMS TO ZERO LIKE I THINK SOME OF US WOULD LIKE. SO I SUPPORT THIS.

ANYONE ELSE GETS FROM BURT.

I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF IT.

YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE.

I ALSO SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD.

GOT IT. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER. MCGEE. I MEAN, YES.

TO. I MEAN, YES.

TO I DON'T KNOW.

I DIDN'T HEAR YOU ASK FOR PRIORITY FOR THIS.

WITHOUT HEARING FROM YOU, I MIGHT ASSIGN A LOW PRIORITY TO THIS KIND OF MORE BASED ON WHEN THIS INFORMATION WOULD NEED TO BE INPUTTED INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

MASTER PLAN. COUNCIL MEMBER.

WELL, WE'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO GO ONCE, BUT GO AHEAD.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MAGUIRE.

SORRY, I DID. I FAILED TO GIVE PRIORITY.

I WOULD SAY IT'S A HIGH PRIORITY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE ARE MOVING FAST ON THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY GAVE DIRECTION FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.

AND SO I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS DONE BEFORE THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, THEN THEN IT NEEDS TO MOVE FAST.

MAYOR, JUST REAL QUICK.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE, I THINK, FUN.

I'M HEARING THE STAFF MAY BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY DO THIS, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE TO HIRE A CONSULTANT, WHICH JUST LIKE YOU'RE SAYING OPPOSITE AND I AM NOW TOO, BUT WE DO NEED TO DO THIS A LITTLE QUICKER BECAUSE THE MASTER PLAN THAT IS, I BELIEVE IS WE JUST GOT AN UPDATE ON THAT TODAY AND IT'S GOING TO MOVE FAIRLY QUICKLY.

SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO THIS RATHER IN A TIMELY FASHION.

OKAY. SO IS THERE ANYONE ANYONE OPPOSED TO THAT? LET'S JUST DO IT THAT WAY. ANYONE OPPOSED TO MOVING FASTER? GREAT. THERE YOU GO.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORK SESSION AT 519.

[1. Closed Meeting:]

BY THE WAY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE UP ITEM B FIRST IN THE CLOSED SESSION.

AND SO THE THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW, AT 5:19 P.M., CONVENE AND CLOSE MEETING TO DELIBERATE CLOSED MEETING ITEMS AND SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING ITEM.

AYE ID 22217.

CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS ON THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 AND ITEM B, WHICH IS ID 222184.

CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS ON THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5518071.

SO LET'S TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK.

WE'LL BE BACK AT 530 TO START WITH.

ITEM B AS IN BOY.

WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

[AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED:]

AND THE FIRST THING ON OUR AGENDA ARE PLEDGES TO THE UNITED STATES AND TEXAS FLAGS.

PLEASE STAND WITH ME IF YOU'RE ABLE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

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ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE IN INDIVISIBLE.

OK THAT TAKES US TO PRESENTATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC.

[2. PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC]

MARTHA HENDERSON.

IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES.

SEE. HI.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS MARTHA HENDERSON.

MY ADDRESS IS 1917, PINEY CREEK BOULEVARD, DENTON, TEXAS.

76205. OKAY.

THANK YOU. GO RIGHT AHEAD.

THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF VILLA'S A PENNY CREEK HOME.

THE ISSUE BEING BROUGHT BEFORE YOU IS TWOFOLD.

ONE, LACK OF HOMEOWNERS.

HOMEOWNER PARTICIPATION IN THE HOA CONCLUDES THE HOA CANNOT BE SUSTAINED AND DISSOLVING.

IT IS NECESSARY TO THE CITY OF DENTON.

TAKING OWNERSHIP OF VOC STREETS WOULD ENABLE THE HOA TO BE DISSOLVED.

THERE ARE 36 HOMES IN VPC ANNUAL HOA DUES TOTAL $32,400.

IN THE EVENT A MAJOR STREET REPAIR BECOMES NECESSARY.

IT WOULD BE VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO COLLECT A LARGE ASSESSMENT FROM EACH HOMEOWNER.

A SPECIAL MEETING WAS HELD IN SEPTEMBER 20, 22.

12 OWNERS WERE PRESENT AND NINE PROXIES WERE OBTAINED TO MEET QUORUM OF 19.

THE OPC, WHO ELECTED FIVE BOARD MEMBERS ON ONE 1622.

THE HOA SECOND VICE PRESIDENT MOVED THE HOA TREASURER AND THE HOA SECRETARY RESIGNED THEIR OFFICES, WHICH LEFT TWO BOARD MEMBERS TO MANAGE THE HOA UNTIL THEIR TERM EXPIRES ON ONE 1523.

THE OPC HWA WAS WITHOUT A FUNCTIONING BOARD FROM JANUARY 2020 TO JANUARY 2021, AND THERE WAS NO BOARD FROM JANUARY 2021 TO JANUARY 2022.

A FORMER ALA PRESIDENT EMPLOYED A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY EFFECTIVE 11 119 DURING THE 2.2 YEARS, THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY MANAGED VPC PROPERTY.

THEY SPENT $10,165.85 WITH NO OVERSIGHT FROM THE BOARD, FROM A BOARD BECAUSE THERE WAS NONE.

THE NEWLY ELECTED BOARD TERMINATED THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY EFFECTIVE.

ONE 1622.

THE OPC HAS NO AMENITIES ON PROPERTY THAT REQUIRE MAINTENANCE.

THE OPC HOMEOWNERS PAY TAXES BUT DON'T RECEIVE THE CITY SERVICES.

TAXPAYERS THAT DO NOT RESIDE IN THE COMMUNITY WITH THE HOA RECEIVE, WHICH INCLUDES STREET REPAIRS.

THE OPC HWA HAS A VACANT LOT LOCATED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WHICH THE HOA DOES NOT OWN BUT HAS PAID TO MAINTAIN SINCE 1998.

THE OWNER OF THE VACANT LOT, RONALD W SOBCZAK, HAS NEVER MAINTAINED THE PROPERTY.

HE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF MILLENNIUM LAND DEVELOPMENT LLC, A PARTNER IN THE JOINT VENTURE THAT BUILT THE HOUSES IN THE OPC.

EARLIER THIS YEAR, I SPOKE TO MANY PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OF THE CITY OF DENTON AND ALL REPORTED THE CITY OF DENTON WOULD NOT TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE STREETS DUE TO LAVENDER CIRCLE AND BROADWAY COURT NOT MEETING CITY CODE.

KEVIN CIRCLE, BRICK COURT AND PINEY CREEK BOULEVARD ARE 24 FEET BACK TO BACK OF CURB AND 22 FEET FACE TO FACE OF CURB.

CLAREMONT LANE IS 31 FEET BACK TO BACK OF CURB AND 30 FEET.

FACE TO FACE OF CURB ON TEN, 13, 22.

CITY OF DENTON EMPLOYEES WERE ON THE OPC PROPERTY MEASURING THE STREETS.

THE FINAL PLAT.

THE MAN WAS GOING TO HELP ME.

JUST LIKE THAT CAMERA.

NOW GO. YOU CAN ADJUST IT AS THE.

AND THEN THERE'S THE SECOND PAGE WHEN I GET TO THAT.

WHEN I GET TO THAT.

WELL, THIS IS IT. THE FINAL PLAT VPC PHASE ONE WAS ADOPTED BY THE OPEC JOINT VENTURE.

MICHAEL J. KERN SIGNED THE SURVEYORS.

I'M GOING TO GO TO SECOND PAGE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THOSE.

THAT'S WHERE THAT IS.

IN MY BOOK CONSIGN THE SURVEYORS CERT ON NINE 2496 THE CITY OF DENTON PLANNING AND ZONING CHAIRMAN AND CITY SECRETARY, SIGNED THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL.

ON TEN 1195, HOWEVER, SOMEONE DREW A LINE THROUGH THE YEAR 1996 AND WROTE 1995, WHICH IS 11 MONTHS BEFORE ALL OTHER SIGNED AND DATED THE DOCUMENT. THE DOCUMENT WAS NOTARIZED ON NINE 2596 AND WAS FILED IN DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS, BY THE HONORABLE TIM HODGES, DENTON COUNTY CLERK, ON TEN 196. SO THAT'S YOUR TIME.

I'M SORRY. OK WELL, OK.

BUT MAY I JUST FINISH UP? I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.

YES. OK AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GREAT PRESENTATION.

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AND SO IF IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE SPEAKER, WE CAN GET IT.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND ARTICULATE THAT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO EMAIL IT TO SCOTT MCDONALD, HIS TEAM, AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET ANSWERS.

BUT GO RIGHT AHEAD. AND YOU CAN YOU CAN STATE YOUR QUESTION.

I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK THE STAFF TO GET US AN IN-DEPTH REPORT ON ALL THESE ACTIVITIES.

WE CAN'T. I WOULD LIKE TO STEP FORWARD, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.

PLEASE. YES, MAYOR PRO TEM.

THE STAFF HAVE. IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAN THAN JUST BEING ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS RIGHT HERE.

SO THE STAFF WILL PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND PUT IT IN THE FRIDAY REPORT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE? SORRY, OK AND JULIE AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY YOUR LAST NAME WRONG, MORSE YET.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CERTAINLY. IF YOU COULD GIVE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES.

ONCE THEY GET. ONCE THEY GET EVERYTHING SET UP.

MY NAME IS JULIE MARSHAK.

I LIVE AT 1520 BAYBERRY.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU. OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY LEADERS AND DISTINGUISHED GUESTS.

I WANT TO GIVE A SPECIAL SHOUT OUT.

THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD FOR ENCOURAGING ME TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ALL THE DENTON CITIZENS WHO HAVE EXPRESSED COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS REGARDING THE CITYWIDE MICRO SERVICING PROJECT.

THIS WAS OUR STREET BEFORE AUGUST 24TH, 2022.

THIS IS OUR STREET NOW.

ACCORDING TO THE STREET OPERATIONS MAIN PAGE, EVERY 5 TO 6 YEARS, THE STREET DIVISION CONDUCTS A PAVEMENT STUDY THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF DENTON.

THIS IS CALLED THE INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT REPORT.

IT'S 250 PAGES LONG, AND IT GOES INTO GREAT DETAIL OF THE OVERALL CONDITION OF ALL THE CITY STREETS AND INDIVIDUAL STREET SEGMENTS, INCLUDING PAVEMENT CONDITIONS, JPEGS OF EVERY STREET, AS WELL AS RECOMMENDED ACTIVITIES AND FUNDING ANALYSIS ON MAY 25TH OF 2021.

THERE WAS A PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THE MICRO SURFACING PROJECT.

THE COST WAS $4.4 MILLION AND WAS AWARDED ALREADY TO VIKING.

THIS WAS EXHIBIT ONE THAT WAS PART OF THE PRESENTATION AND YOU'LL NOTICE ON SENTENCE TWO, BASED ON THE OVERALL CONDITION INDEX AND FIELD INSPECTIONS, THE STAFF HAVE CONFIRMED. READ AGAIN.

STAFF HAVE CONFIRMED THE STREETS SEGMENTS THAT ARE SUITABLE CANDIDATES FOR MICRO SURFACING.

THEY'RE GOING TO GUARANTEE HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS, STRICT SPECIFICATION AND PERFORMANCE BASED DESIGN PROCEDURES, CURES QUICKLY THAT YOU CAN DRIVE OVER AN HOUR LESS LONGER THAN OTHER SURFACE TREATMENTS AND CAN BE APPLIED AT NIGHT.

THIS WAS ALL OF THE ACTIVITY THAT WAS DONE ON OUR STREET IN 2010 AND 2020.

THERE WAS AN IMS REPORT THAT I REQUESTED FROM THE CITY.

THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

MY STREET IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.

THIS IS THE MAP OF 78 STREETS THAT WERE SELECTED BY THIS BY THE STAFF OF THE DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS OUR STREET, THAT LITTLE BLUE LINE BETWEEN VALLEY CREEK AND CANYON.

I CROSS THE IMS REPORT WITH ALL THE 78 STREETS THAT WERE LISTED.

I DID THIS ON MY OWN OUT OF THE ON THE FISCAL 2122 MICROFILM SELECTION.

78 STREETS WERE SELECTED.

31 OF THOSE STREETS WERE DEEMED EXCELLENT OC THE OVERALL CONDITION INDEX WAS 85 TO 100, WITH ONLY ONE STREET WHERE IT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR SALE. THERE WERE 20 STREETS THAT WERE DEEMED VERY GOOD, WITH ONLY NINE STREETS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED FOR MICRO SEAL.

THIS WAS OUR STREET IN AUGUST 24TH.

AGAIN, THESE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS FROM IMS. THIS WAS FROM OUR FRONT YARD.

THIS WAS OUR STREET.

THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.

THIS WAS A BURNOUT THAT WAS DONE ON SEPTEMBER 20TH OR EXCUSE ME, 30TH, AND ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT THE MICRO-SCALE CAME UP.

WE CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL ROAD.

THIS WAS IN FRONT OF MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.

WHO'S GOING TO BE SPEAKING WHERE VIKING ACTUALLY DROVE THROUGH THEIR PRODUCT AND LEFT TIRE TREAD LEFT? EXACTLY. NOW WE HAVE PONDING.

WE NEVER HAD THAT BEFORE.

EVERYTHING THAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO CONDUCT IS NOT WORKING.

THERE IS THERE IS A RED FLAG THAT TALKS ABOUT PRODUCT SUBSTITUTION.

AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT THE WHAT WE ARE INCURRING HERE IS THE CITY, AGAIN, IS THE CITY OF VICTIM OF CRIME.

OR IS IT A MISUSE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS? 65% OF THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS OVERALL CONDITION BETWEEN EXCELLENT AND VERY GOOD.

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THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU. AND.

LET'S SEE. OK NEXT SPEAKER IS.

AND SO DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK BEFORE WE GO INTO.

THANK YOU FOR COMING AND SHARING THIS WITH US.

I KNOW THAT STAFF ARE.

THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH OUR CONTRACTOR, OBVIOUSLY, AND WE WILL BE TAKING CARE OF THAT.

BUT WE WILL ALSO BE TALKING WITH STAFF ABOUT HOW IN THE WORLD WE HAVE EXCELLENT STREETS THAT ARE BEING DEEMED TO NEED REPAIR.

YEAH. IF YOU COULD STEP TO THE MIC, PLEASE.

THAT WAY THEY CAN RECORD IT.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

SO THE IMS REPORT CAME OUT IN MARCH OF 2022.

THE PRESENTATION. EXCUSE ME.

YOU DON'T KNOW. YOU CAN MAKE A STATEMENT.

I JUST. I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET INTO IT BACK AND FORTH.

RIGHT. SO YOU CAN MAKE. YOU CAN MAKE A CLOSING STATEMENT REALLY QUICK BECAUSE I'M OUT OF TIME.

BUT I DO WANT TO THANK YOU, MARY.

YEAH. MARY.

MARY J. RICHARDS, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE MASSACHUSETTS ORGANIZATION OF STATE ENGINEERS AND SCIENTISTS, SAID PUBLIC EMPLOYEES WHO WORK TO ENSURE WE GET WHAT WE PAY FOR ARE THE EYES AND EARS OF THE TAXPAYERS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

AND I ASSURE YOU THAT WE WILL WE WILL LOOK INTO IT AND WE TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY.

AND THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GEORGE ABNEY, IS THAT RIGHT? THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, EVEN ONCE YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES.

THANK YOU. GEORGE AVENUE 1529 BAYBERRY STREET.

JULIE HAS ALREADY DONE THE HEAVY LIFTING.

I'M JUST HERE TO EXPRESS MY OPINION.

THE APPLICATION OF BLACKTOP ON BAYBERRY STREET HAS AN INTERESTING RESULT.

YOU'RE SEEING IT TOLD THERE IS A FIVE YEAR PLAN ON UPGRADES TO THE STREET.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A PLAN.

SUCH AS THE PLAN.

THE TOPPING WAS APPLAUDED ON A WEDNESDAY.

WEDNESDAY IS PICKUP DAY FOR OUR TRASH, OUR RECYCLES OF LEAVES AND SUCH.

IT'S EVERY WEDNESDAY, IT'S BEEN EVERY WEDNESDAY.

SO THE BLACKTOP HAS PUT DOWN.

HERE COME THE PICKUP TRUCKS.

IT'S ONLY BEEN DOWN ON THE GROUND FOR 2 HOURS.

WHO PLANNED THAT? THAT'S MONEY. SO THE BIG STRIP THAT YOU SEE RIGHT NOW THAT WAS IN FRONT OF OUR MY WIFE AND HIS HOUSE.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE PORTS ARE NOT REALLY MADE FOR BIG TRUCKS.

SO THEY HAVE TO BACK UP AND BACK UP AND BACK UP.

SO THE TIRES, THE FRONT STEERING TIRES DIG HOLES IN THAT FRESH ASPHALT.

THE PATCH JOB ON THOSE IS INCREDIBLY POOR.

LET'S SEE, WHAT WAS THE APPLICATION OF THE PLAN OR THE PLANNING TO PICK TO DO THIS ON WEDNESDAY? NO ONE WAS NOTIFIED.

I HAD A NEIGHBOR WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT WHO PARKED ALL THE WAY UP OFF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO SHE DIDN'T WANT TO GET HER CAR WITH BLACKTOP ON IT.

MY WIFE HAD TO LEAVE FOR WORK EARLY TO GET THE BLACKTOP ON IT.

IT IS WHAT IT IS.

SO CALLS WERE MADE AND EVENTUALLY PATCHES WERE MADE, IN MY OPINION, HAPHAZARDLY.

FOLKS CAME AND WENT LOOKING AND REVIEWING THE WORK.

I'VE GOT THEIR NAMES.

THEY'LL REMAIN ANONYMOUS.

IN MY OPINION, THE WORK IS SHODDY, PITTED, UNEVEN, WHICH WILL EVENTUALLY CAUSE UNEVEN WHERE I AM DISAPPOINTED.

THE QUESTION IS THE COST HAS BEEN HAS BEEN PROJECTED.

BUT WHAT DID IT COST? THREE VISITS TO COME TO BABRI STRAIGHT.

WHAT DID IT COST FOR PEOPLE TO BE OUT OF THE OFFICE TO COME DOWN AND REVIEW THAT PROJECT? ARE PEOPLE. WHO PROVIDED THE SPECIFICATIONS AND WERE THE PRODUCT TESTED.

BEFORE IT WAS APPLIED? APPARENTLY NOT, IN MY OPINION.

WHO HAS THE FINAL SAY? DID WE GIVE THESE PEOPLE THE 4 MILLION? OR DO WE DOLE IT OUT PER JOB? I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT QUESTION.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE LEARNED AND THIS IS THE RESULT.

SO THANKS FOR YOUR TIME, MR. BIRD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND I'M ASSUMING SO WILL THIS BE IN A FRIDAY REPORT WHERE THEY CAN GET SOMEONE NOTING THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY CAN ANSWER? YES, THE STAFF IS AWARE OF THE SITUATION.

WE DO HAVE A CONTRACTOR ISSUE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE WHERE WE NEED TO DELVE IN ABOUT HOW STREETS WERE THAT WERE RATED EXCELLENT AND VERY GOOD, THAT WERE MICRO SEALED.

AND THAT MAY BE A PRACTICE WE HAVE HAVE SOME TIME.

WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THIS FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE.

FROM THE OTHER PERSPECTIVE, STAFF NEED TIME TO TALK TO THE CONTRACTOR ABOUT EITHER DAMAGES OR OR REPAIRING IT, GOING BACK AND FIXING IT THE RIGHT

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ANOTHER ONE IS DELVING INTO HOW WE CAME TO HAVE THE LIST THAT WE HAD, WHICH WAS BEING QUESTIONED AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WAS SPENT AND HOW IT WAS ALLOCATED AND ALL THOSE THINGS WHICH WILL COME IN A REPORT TO STAFF, PROBABLY MORE IN A LEGAL STAFF REPORT, BECAUSE WE MAY BE HAVING TO LAY OUT SOME THINGS THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT, YOU KNOW, FROM A PUBLIC PERSPECTIVE IF IT'S STAFF ISSUES.

OKAY. BUT I THINK JUST TO HIS QUESTION, KIND OF WHAT'S BEEN PAID, THAT'S FAIR.

SO IF WE CAN COORDINATE GETTING THAT CONTRACTOR HAS NOT BEEN PAID OK GOT IT.

CONTRACTOR HAS NOT BEEN PAID.

BUT THEN THEN THE REST WILL WORK ON.

BUT JUST I THINK I THINK THAT QUESTION DESERVED AN ANSWER.

YEAH. COUNCILMAN, WHAT'S.

I THINK THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

MY QUESTION WAS, HAVE WE STOPPED THIS PROCESS FOR NOW, MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY OTHER MICRO SKILLS UNTIL WE GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE DAMAGES ARE OR HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. SO THAT'S REALLY I MEAN, WHAT'S DONE IS DONE, BUT HOW DO WE PREVENT THIS FROM OCCURRING IN THE FUTURE? AND I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE.

ONE IS NOW WE KNOW CONTRACT WAS NOT PAID TO HOW DID WE GET TO WHERE WE ARE FROM OF A LIST AND HOW IT WAS HANDLED? AND THEN THREE, HOW DO WE HOW DO WE IMPROVE OUR PROCESSES TO MAKE SURE THIS NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN? NEIGHBORS ARE NOTIFIED THAT WHEN IT'S WHEN IT'S APPLIED, IT'S NOT DURING A TIME WHEN TRASH IS BEING PICKED UP OR ANYTHING ELSE, AND THAT IS THAT IT'S APPLIED AT THE RIGHT TIME OF THE YEAR, AS A MATTER OF FACT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND THEN MR. STEPHEN MOORE, TAKE.

YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE JUST GOING TO CONTACT THEM DIRECTLY.

WE HAVE THEIR INFO, BUT I'LL CONFIRM.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING.

AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

MUCH OF WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY IS REDUNDANT TO WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD.

MY NAME IS STEPHEN MARSHAK AND YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM MY WIFE, JULIE.

WE LIVE AT 1520 BAYBERRY STREET.

I DO SINCERELY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, THE ENERGY AND TIME THAT YOU EXPEND IN YOUR POSITIONS TO MAKE DENTON A FINE PLACE TO LIVE.

WE ENJOY IT HERE VERY MUCH AND LIKE IT.

THE RECENT YOUR RECENT ACTION OR THE RECENT ACTION OF THE CITY, THOUGH, HOWEVER, HAS BEEN SO PUZZLING TO ME THAT I FELT IT NECESSARY TO COME AND SPEAK TO YOU THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

WE DO LIVE IN THE OAKS OF TOWNSHIP, TWO OFF OF COLORADO BOULEVARD.

ALL THREE STREETS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ENDING CUL DE SACS.

AND WE LIVE ON BAYBERRY STREET.

AS I'VE SAID, THERE ARE EIGHT HOMES THAT HAVE DRIVEWAYS ON TO BAYBERRY STREET.

THE TRAFFIC IS VERY LIGHT AND IT'S VERY QUIET.

BAYBERRY WAS COMPLETELY REPAVED IN 2015 AND THE CITY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.

HOWEVER, THERE WAS ONE ISSUE WITH THE STREET AND THAT WAS PONDING WATER THAT WOULD COLLECT RIGHT WHERE BAYBERRY INTERSECTS WITH CANYON.

THE CITY RETURNED IN MAY OF 2017, POURED A DIFFERENT GUTTER BETWEEN THE TWO STREETS.

GOT IT PERFECT FOR THE LAST.

SEVEN YEARS.

THE STREET HAS LOOKED LIKE THIS.

THERE'S BEEN NO STANDING WATER.

NO, NO STANDING WATER AFTER RAIN OR SNOW MELT.

THIS PAST AUGUST, WE DID HAVE THE MICRO SEAL OR MICRO SURFACING WORK DONE ON AUGUST 24TH WITH THE SECOND RETURN LATER IN SEPTEMBER THE 10TH.

AS GEORGE AND MY WIFE HAVE ALLUDED TO, WE WERE BAFFLED.

WHY WOULD OUR STREET RECEIVE ADDITIONAL BLACKTOP APPLIED OVER AN ALMOST PERFECT STREET? NO POTHOLES, RUTS, DEPRESSIONS, CRACKS WHEN THE OTHER TWO STREETS.

JILL. VALLEY.

CREEK AND CANYON WEREN'T TOUCHED AT ALL, AND THEY HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY MAJOR WORK IN THE 13 YEARS THAT WE'VE LIVED THERE.

ON THE WEBSITE OF VIKING CONSTRUCTION.

YOU CAN FIND SOME INTERESTING INFORMATION.

THESE ARE THE FOLKS THAT DID THE WORK.

YOU CAN FIND THAT MICRO SURFACING FILLS RUTS IN PAVEMENT AND WILL TREAT A WIDE VARIETY OF ROAD SURFACE PROBLEMS. YOU WILL FIND THAT IT CAN BE SPREAD EVENLY OVER WEDGES, RUTS, SCRATCH SURFACES AND SO FORTH.

MOST INTERESTINGLY TO ME, YOU CAN FIND THAT MICRO SERVICING IS VERY GOOD FOR HIGH SPEED, HEAVY TRAFFIC ROADWAYS AND ELIMINATE HYDROPLANING PROBLEMS. THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE WITH THAT IS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE ISSUES.

OUR STREET WAS PERFECT AND WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T HAVE HYDROPLANING.

YOU CAN'T EVEN GET UP GOOD SPEED TO DO THAT.

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WE NOW HAVE WATER RETURNING AT THE BOTTOM WHERE IT MEETS CANYON.

YOU'VE SEEN THE PICTURES OF THE 16 FOOT LONG STRIP OF MICRO-SCALE MATERIAL THAT WAS PULLED AWAY DUE TO SOMEONE SPITTING OUT THEIR TIRES IN OUR CUL DE SAC. AND WE'VE ALREADY FOUND 120 FOOT CRACK.

IT'S ABOUT A 16TH OF AN INCH WIDE.

THE CURING DID NOT WORK PROPERLY.

APPARENTLY, MICRO SURFACING IS USED TO EXTEND THE LIFE SPAN OF A STREET.

AND I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE PROACTIVE APPROACH, BUT I BELIEVE BARRY BARRY WOULD HAVE LASTED JUST FINE WITHOUT IT.

AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE OF VEHICLE WEIGHT AND VEHICLE FREQUENCY AND PERHAPS THE.

THE CITY COULD. LOOK INTO SOMETHING LIKE THE EISENHOWER DECISION MATRIX.

WHERE YOU HAVE A STREET THAT IS A HIGH DENSITY, HIGH WEIGHT LOAD WOULD BE YOUR FIRST PRIORITY.

STREETS THAT ARE LOW DENSITY.

BUT A HIGH WEIGHT LOAD MIGHT BE A SECOND AND LOW WEIGHT, BUT HIGH DENSITY THIRD PARTY.

WITH A LOW WAY, LOW DENSITY TRAFFIC, WHICH IS WHAT BAYBERRY IS LIKE BEING THE FOURTH PRIORITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

AND SO EVERYONE THAT SPOKE ON THAT ISSUE, CITY STAFF HAS YOUR EMAIL.

AND DID YOU WORK AT U AND T OR STILL DID YOU WORK IN U AND T BY CHANCE? DID YOU WORK AT U AND T BY CHANCE? YES. OUTSTANDING.

I GOT IT NOW.

I WAS MAKING A CONNECTION.

I WAS CURIOUS. GOOD TO SEE YOU.

SO, YES, WE WILL.

STAFF WILL EMAIL YOU AND WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH WITH NEXT STEPS, THAT SORT OF THING.

MAKE SURE THOSE THAT SPOKE AND BEYOND ARE NOTIFIED.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

YEP. OK.

THE NEXT SPEAKER IS.

STEPHEN HILLENBURG.

STEPHEN HILLENBURG.

OK. NEXT IS ALEX STEIN.

ON. HERE WE GO.

ALEX STEIN.

OH, MAN. IT'S JUST SITTING OUT THERE JUST THINKING ABOUT EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW IN AMERICA.

OH, IF YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES.

PRIME TIME, 99 HOURS, NINE 7509 INWOOD ROAD.

AND I'M OUT OF BREATH.

I'M TIRED. I'M SICK AND TIRED.

OUR COUNTRY IS GOING TO HELL IN A HANDBASKET BRAND.

AND YOU KNOW THAT. I KNOW THAT.

INFLATION, GAS PRICES WAY TOO HIGH.

YOU GO TO THE GROCERY STORE, YOU CAN BARELY AFFORD THE GROCERIES INSIDE THE STORE.

AND I DON'T SEE ANY SOLUTIONS.

I COME TO A PLACE LIKE DENTON AND I TRY TO GO TO MY OLIVE GARDEN.

I TRY TO GO TO MY CHILI'S.

PRICES ARE NEARLY DOUBLE HUDSPETH DOUBLE WHAT THEY USED TO BE.

AND WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE OF INFLATION. BECAUSE WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT THAT HAS THAT IS GETTING US OFF ENERGY INDEPENDENCE AND THAT IT'S TRYING TO MAKE US RELIANT ON BATTERIES.

AND WE KNOW RIGHT NOW THEY'RE TAXING US THROUGH THE ROOF.

A FAMILY CAN BARELY AFFORD TO FEED THEMSELVES.

AND HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO GIVE MY WIFE HER BOYFRIEND? THEY COME BACK FROM PANDA EXPRESS ALL THE TIME.

THEY NEVER BRING ME AN ORDER OF ORANGE CHICKEN.

NEVER. ONCE THEY GO TO CHILI'S, THEY GET THE DIP TRIO.

THERE'S THREE DIPS IN THE DIP TRIO.

THEY DON'T GIVE ME ONE OF THE DIP.

NOT THE CASO, NOT THE SKILLET QUESO, NOT THE REGULAR SALSA, NOTHING.

AND LUCKILY, SHE'S A POPULAR ONLY FANS MODEL, SO IF IT WASN'T FOR HER, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE IT.

ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S JUST SUCKS RIGHT NOW.

THINGS ARE SO BAD YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, YOUR WIFE TO POSE NUDE ON THE INTERNET IN ORDER TO MAKE IT.

THAT'S HOW BAD THINGS ARE.

AND YOU KNOW THAT.

I KNOW THAT.

THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME SO WORRIED ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND THE DIRECTION THAT IT'S HEADING.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING IN A GOOD DIRECTION.

IF YOU'RE WATCHING THIS AT HOME, DO YOU THINK AMERICA IS ON A GOOD TRAJECTORY? I DON'T THINK SO. LOOK AT SAN FRANCISCO.

IT'S TERRIBLE. IT'S COVERED IN LITERAL DOO DOO.

YOU LOOK AT CALIFORNIA, EVERYBODY'S COMING TO CALIFORNIA.

THEY'RE COMING TO DAYTON BECAUSE THIS IS LIKE THE AUSTIN.

KEEP IT WEIRD. WE CAN'T LET THIS PLACE GET WEIRD, GUYS.

WE HAVE TO PROTECT IT.

DENTON, TEXAS. WE HAD TO MAKE IT SO YOU CAN AFFORD TO EAT AT THE CHILI'S.

WE NEED TO MAKE IT. SO WHEN YOU GO TO OLIVE GARDEN, THE MANAGER, BRENDA, IS NOT GETTING MAD AT YOU FOR TAKING TOO MANY FREAKING BREADSTICKS.

THEY SAY IT'S ALL YOU CAN EAT, BUT NOT ALL YOU CAN TAKE HOME.

WHY IS THAT? WHY CAN'T I TAKE A LITTLE BIT HOME WITH ME? I'M HUNGRY. YOU'RE HUNGRY.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO AT THE END OF THE DAY, I SEE MULTIPLE RACCOONS.

THEY'RE EATING OUT OF THE TRASH CAN.

BUT IF I WANTED THOSE BREADSTICKS.

NO, NOT IN JOE BIDEN'S AMERICA.

JOE BIDEN DOESN'T LET ME HAVE THE BREADSTICKS.

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ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S THE WORLD WE LIVE IN.

WE GOT THE PRESIDENT'S SON SMOKING CRACK WITH PROSTITUTES, AND THEY WILL GIVE ME FREE BREADSTICKS TO SAVE MY OWN LIFE.

AND GUESS WHAT? MY WIFE'S BOYFRIEND GOT HER PREGNANT.

AND GUESS WHAT? HE'S FACING A LONG TIME IN JAIL.

SO I'M PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO BE THE FATHER OF THAT BABY.

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO AFFORD THESE THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT DOES NOT SUPPORT ITS OWN PEOPLE? YOU'LL GIVE ME 100 FREE VACCINES, BUT IF I WANT ONE COUPON TO STEAK AND SHAKE, YOU SAY NO.

WHY IS THAT? I'M HUNGRY.

YOU'RE HUNGRY? WE NEED FOOD TO LIVE.

I KNOW THAT AT ONE POINT IN MY LIFE, I WAS A PIMP ON A BLIMP.

I LOST ABOUT NEARLY MY WHOLE ENTIRE LIFE SAVINGS IN A CRYPTO SCAM BECAUSE OF ELON MUSK DOGECOIN OK.

AND SO NOW MY WIFE'S SPREAD OPEN ON THE INTERNET AND I CAN BARELY GET A BREADSTICK FROM OLIVE GARDEN.

A PLACE WHERE THEY KNEW ME BY MY NAME.

NOW THEY HAVE A CRIMINAL TRESPASS WARNING AGAINST ME.

SO IMAGINE THAT.

THINK ABOUT THAT, MAYOR.

SO I WOULD LIKE IT IF YOU COULD HELP GET THAT CRIMINAL TRESPASS WARNING REMOVED AT THE OLIVE GARDEN SO I COULD GO THERE.

THAT'S FIRST THING.

SECOND THING, MY WIFE AND HER BOYFRIEND TAKING NAPS ALL DAY.

THEY DON'T WORK THAT HARD.

THEY WORK 2 HOURS A DAY.

THEY SHOULDN'T BE NAPPING ALL DAY.

I WANT THEM TO HAVE YOUR WORK ETHIC.

YOU'RE IN HERE ALL DAY. YOU'VE BEEN IN THESE MEETINGS.

IT'S 2 P.M. AND NOW IT'S NEARLY 8 P.M..

AT NIGHT YOU'RE GRINDING AND SHINING.

I JUST WANT TO TAKE A PAGE FROM YOUR BOOK.

ONE OF THE BEST MAYORS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

GERARD. HUDSPETH.

GUYS, GIVE IT UP FOR HARD TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOD BLESS YOU.

ALEX STEIN, 99, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS ALEX.

MY NAME IS ALEX. STRANGER.

STRANGER. THERE YOU GO.

YEAH. I LIVE ON 8001.

STOPPED AT 35. AND AUSTIN, TEXAS.

ZIP CODE SEVEN, EIGHT, SEVEN, FOUR, FOUR.

LISTEN, I'M A RECOVERING FENTANYL ADDICT, OK.

YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ARRESTED MULTIPLE TIMES IN AUSTIN, IN DALLAS, IN CHICAGO.

AND I WAS ALWAYS LEFT BACK ON THE STREET WITHIN HOURS.

OKAY. WITH LITERALLY NO AVENUES FOR HELP.

OKAY. LIKE I HIT ROCK BOTTOM WHEN I WAS PERFORMING FELLATIO ON COLLEGE STUDENTS FOR WHIPPETS, FOR CRACK, FOR METHAMPHETAMINE, AND FOR FENTANYL.

AND WHEN I WAS ARRESTED IN THE CHIPOTLE BATHROOM BY THE MANAGER, GARY, FOR GETTING A TRAIN RAN ON ME NEXT TO THE STALL BY THREE ORIENTAL TOXIC HENS, WHO, BY THE WAY, THEY WERE NOT DOING MY TAXES. MAYOR OK THEY WERE DEFINITELY DOING SOME TRIGONOMETRY, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.

BUT THEY ARE NOT DOING MY TAXES.

AND ALTHOUGH ALL OF US WERE USING HEAVILY, THEY WERE ABLE TO CONVINCE THE COPS THAT IT WAS JUST ME.

MY HOLE. IT HURT SO MUCH THAT I COULD NOT ARGUE WITH THE POLICE.

OK IT WAS MORE DAMAGED THAN THE CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6TH.

ANYWAY, I'M SO THANKFUL FOR THE DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR SETTING ME STRAIGHT AND HELPING ME FIND TREATMENT TO GET MY LIFE BACK ON TRACK SO THAT I NO LONGER LIVE ON MY KNEES AND SOME TRUCK STOP SUCKING OFF GROWN MEN LIKE A VACUUM CLEANER THAT A HOTEL MAID WOULD USE.

AND I KNOW THAT SOUNDS RANDOM.

OKAY, BUT THEY ARE THE BEST OF VACUUMING.

EXCEPT FOR THE BEDBUG INFESTED MOTELS WHERE I WOULD INJECT FENTANYL AND LIVE STREAM GAY PORN.

BUT I'M CLEAN NOW.

AND YES, I STILL DO GAY PORN, BUT I DO IT FOR ART INSTEAD OF FOR CRAP.

OKAY, MAYOR. AND LISTEN, I'M HERE ASKING YOU FOR A JOB RECOMMENDATION TO TEACH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS AND THEN ISB OK.

AND THERE'D BE NO BETTER PERSON TO RECOMMEND ME TO THIS JOB THAN THE MAYOR OF DENTON HIMSELF.

YOU KNOW, I USED TO READ STORIES TO THE KIDS ALL THE TIME AS A DRAG QUEEN WHEN I WAS USING FENTANYL AND PERFORMING FELLATIO FOR MONEY.

BUT THAT HAD TO STOP BECAUSE MY HIV GOT TOO DEBILITATING THAT I COULD NO LONGER WORK ANYMORE.

LUCKILY MY AGE, SYMPTOMS ARE PRACTICALLY GONE.

EVER SINCE I GOT VACCINATED FOR MONKEY POX AND COVID 19.

AND I WANT TO SAY THAT, DR.

FAUCI, YOU ARE A HERO AND EVERYBODY WOULD BE A LOT HEALTHIER IF THEY FOLLOWED SCIENCE JUST LIKE ME.

I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO TEACHING KINDERGARTEN IN THE DENTON INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR SPEAKERS OPEN MIC SPEAKERS.

[3. CONSENT AGENDA]

[AS. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute an election option for repayment of $7,923,140.36 owed by ERCOT to Denton Municipal Electric associated with the bankruptcy of Brazos Electric Cooperative, Inc. and providing an effective date.]

SO MAYOR PRO TEM I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA EXCLUDING ITEM.

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ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM AS LET ME GET THERE.

HERE WE GO. AND THAT IS ID 222164.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, A HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AT AN ELECTION OPTION FOR REPAYMENT OF $7,923,142, $140.36 OWED BY ERCOT TO DENTON MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC, ASSOCIATED WITH THE BANKRUPTCY OF BRAZOS ELECTRIC CORPORATE COOPERATIVE INC AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

COUNCIL TERRY NAULT, ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER AT DMAE.

WE HAD THIS ITEM ON CONSENT.

IT'S REALLY A AN ADMINISTRATIVE MATTER THAT WE NEED YOUR APPROVAL ON TODAY.

GO QUICKLY EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED.

IF YOU'LL REMEMBER, DURING WINTER STORM URI, ONE OF THE LARGEST GENERATION COMPANIES IN IN TEXAS, BRAZOS ELECTRIC, SHORT PAID ERCOT BY THE AMOUNT OF $1.89 BILLION OVER THE ONE WEEK PERIOD THAT URI TOOK PLACE UNDER THE TERMS OF OUR PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT WITH ERCOT AS A MEMBER OF ERCOT MARKET PARTICIPANT, WE WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR LOAD RATIO SHARE OF ANY DEFAULT COSTS WITHIN THE ERCOT MARKET.

THIS WAS NOT A DEFAULT.

IT WAS A SHORT PAYMENT.

AND CONSEQUENTLY, BRAZOS DECLARED CHAPTER 11 BANKRUPTCY ON MARCH 1ST OF 2021, AND THE REORGANIZATION PLAN WAS JUST APPROVED LAST MONTH.

UNDER THAT PLAN, IT STIPULATES A NUMBER FOR REPAYMENT OPTIONS, ONLY TWO OF WHICH ARE APPLICABLE TO TO DENTON MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC. OPTION.

ONE IS A 13 YEAR REPAYMENT OF A DISCOUNTED AMOUNT THAT REPRESENTS THE NET PRESENT VALUE OF THE 7.9 MILLION.

OPTION TWO IS A PAYMENT THAT WOULD WHERE THE CITY WOULD RECEIVE ALL 7.9 MILLION, THOUGH IT WOULD BE OVER 30 YEARS.

SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE WOULD TAKE OPTION ONE.

WE WOULD RECEIVE $5.149 MILLION OVER A 13 YEAR PERIOD.

IT HAS A NET PRESENT VALUE OF 4.9 MILLION AS OPPOSED TO OPTION TWO, WHICH HAS A NET PRESENT VALUE OF $4.6 MILLION. WE WILL USE THAT MONEY TO PUT INTO OUR OUR CONSTRUCTION FUND AND WE'LL REVENUE FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS TO AVOID HAVING TO BORROW THAT MONEY AND SAVE THE INTEREST COSTS.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE INTEREST RATES ARE RISING FOR THE THREE FOR THE 13 YEARS TO BORROW.

THAT MONEY WOULD COST US 3.5, SIX, FIVE, EIGHT.

SO DESPITE THE LOWER FUTURE VALUE OPTION, ONE IS THE BEST OPTION FOR OUR RATEPAYERS AND WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU GIVE APPROVAL TO THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AUTHORIZATION OF THIS ELECTION.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND TERRY, I'M GOING TO LEAD WITH APOLOGIES FOR MAKING YOU COME BACK AT NIGHT WITH SOMETHING THAT SEEMS SORT OF MINISTERIAL.

BUT THE REASON I ASK FOR THE PRESENTATION IS THAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE DLM STAFF ARE DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.

THEY'RE REALLY WORKING HARD TO TRY TO GET THE MAXIMUM RECOVERY OF SOME OF THESE KINDS OF FUNDS TO MITIGATE RATE CHANGES AS WE GO FORWARD.

THAT I KIND OF WANTED TO TOOT YOUR HORN.

I'M SORRY I TOOK ADVANTAGE OF YOU TO DO IT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE THOSE NET APPRAISED VALUES THAT ARE ASSESSED VALUES OR OTHER THINGS THAT YOU REALLY ARE SAVING OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO OR ALMOST $1,000,000 IN WHAT YOU COULD GET VERSUS PURSUING THE ADDITIONAL 2 MILLION OVER 30 YEARS.

SO I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT TO GET THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND MAKE THEM AWARE THAT IT'S THESE KINDS OF PROCESSES THAT ARE GOING ON THAT SAVE OUR RATEPAYERS DOLLARS.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU ALL.

AND I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE ITEM.

OKAY. CHRIS IS ALREADY THERE, COUNCILMAN.

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SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY OUR MAYOR.

MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER WATTS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? CNN. LET'S THROW IT ON THE SCREEN.

WELL, WE GOT TO. THERE YOU GO.

NO, NO, NO.

SO WE GOT. SO MAYOR PRO TEM MOTIONED MAYOR WHAT? SECOND HE HAD THE BUTTON PUSH, BUT CAN YOU REWORK THAT.

JUST SO IT MATCHES THE RECORD.

OH, DO WE NEED TO? ANY. SO I THINK IT'S.

I THINK OK GOT IT.

THANKS. CAN I PASS THE SEVEN ZERO? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND MAYOR PRO TEM.

WE'RE WELCOME. WE WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN THESE COMPLEX ISSUES AT ANY TIME.

THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO OUR FIRST ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS ITEM A22000

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas regarding a Municipal Services Agreement, pursuant to Tex. Loc. Gov. Code Sec. 43.0672, between the City of Denton and Harlan Property Inc. for the provision of city services to approximately 82.96 acres of land, generally located on the north side of Barthold Road approximately 1,300 feet west of Interstate 35 (I-35); approving a schedule of annexation; authorizing the City Manager to execute the agreement; and providing an effective date. (A22-0002)]

MAYOR MS OF COUNCIL RON MCGINN, PRINCIPAL PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THIS REQUEST IS A THREE PARTER.

THIS WILL BE THE FIRST OF THREE ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA.

IT IS FOR A MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH A PETITION FOR ANNEXATION.

THAT VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION IS FOR A PROPERTY THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 82.96 ACRES SHOWN HERE ON THE SLIDE OUTLINE IN YELLOW.

IT'S JUST NORTH OF BARTLE ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 1300 FEET WEST OF 935.

IN ADDITION TO THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT, THERE IS ALSO A SCHEDULE OF ANNEXATION THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE.

IF THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE ORDINANCE JUST WAY BACK AROUND THIS SUBJECT, PROPERTY IS PART OF A NON ANNEXATION AGREEMENT, JUST A PORTION OF IT AND NOT THE ENTIRE NON ANNEXATION AREA IT CURRENTLY IS.

AGRICULTURE USE PRIMARILY ACCESS TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, IT IS TO BE PROPOSED AS AN INDUSTRIAL USE.

THE AGAIN ACCESS WILL BE OFF OF BART.

BART WHOLE ROAD, WHICH IS A PRIMARY ARTERIAL ALSO WEST OF THE SITE, WILL BE A FUTURE COLLECTOR ROAD.

THE BUILDING ITSELF IS JUST OVER A MILLION SQUARE FEET AND AGAIN PROPOSED TO BE INDUSTRIAL.

THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE AGREEMENT, WHICH IS INCLUDING YOUR BACKUP, INCLUDES SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED BY THE CITY.

AND YOU SEE ON THIS LIST ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISIONS AND OTHER SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED AS PART OF THAT AGREEMENT.

THE ANNEXATION COMPONENT OF THIS SORRY, THE SCHEDULE FOR THIS ANNEXATION, THAT IS, AS YOU CAN SEE TONIGHT, THERE ARE THREE ITEMS WHICH YOU SEE LISTED.

THE FIRST ONE IS THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT.

THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING TO TA FOR THIS ANNEXATION.

AND THEN LASTLY, THERE WILL BE A FIRST READING OF THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE.

FOLLOWING TONIGHT, THERE WILL BE A PUBLICATION IF THE ANNEXATION IS TO PROCEED OF THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE IN THE DRC TO THEN RECORD CHRONICLE.

AND THEN ON DECEMBER SIX, WE WILL HAVE THE SECOND READING OF THE ANNEXATION.

THAT IS PART OF THE PROCESS.

AND AGAIN, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS IS A PART OF A NON ANNEXATION AGREEMENT.

THEREFORE, THERE WILL BE AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL BE AMENDING THE EXISTING NON ANNEXATION AGREEMENT FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE AREA.

THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS ANNEXATION.

WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

SEE NONE. WHAT SO FOR THIS PORTION IS THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR A YEAH.

THE PROSCRIBED LANGUAGE, RIGHT.

NO, NO. THIS IS JUST FOR THE, THE ORDINANCE TO APPROVE THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT.

SO PERFECT. THERE'S NO QUESTIONS.

I'LL TAKE A MOTION. COUNCILOR WATT MOVED FOR APPROVAL.

COUNCILOR DAVIS SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATCH.

SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEE IN THIS PHOTO ON THE SCREEN.

PASSED SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS ITEM A, WHICH IS SE 210008A

[A. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas regarding a request for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) to allow for an Equipment Sales and Rental use on approximately 5.892 acres of land, generally located north of US 380 (University Drive) and approximately 250 feet east of Spring Valley Drive, in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing for severability; and establishing an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [6-0] to recommend approval of the Specific Use Permit request. (S21-0008a, U-Haul of East Denton, Ron Menguita)]

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CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS REGARDING A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT OR SUP TO ALLOW FOR AND EQUIPMENT SALES AND RENTAL USE OF APPROXIMATELY 5892 ACRES OF LAND GENERALLY LOCATED ON US 380 APPROXIMATELY 250 EAST 250 FEET EAST OF SPRING VALLEY DRIVE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

IT'S OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING.

DON'T FORGET. THANK YOU.

JUST ONE JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

IT'S NOT 5000 ACRES.

IT'S 5.8 ACRES.

FORGIVE ME. YOU'RE FINE.

WELL, YEAH, IT'S A REALLY? YEAH. AS I MENTIONED IN THE INTRODUCTION, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR AN EQUIPMENT SALES AND RENTAL USE. IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH A U-HAUL BUSINESS.

THE U-HAUL BUSINESS WILL CONSIST OF AN OFFICE WAREHOUSE, SELF STORAGE, AS WELL AS THE EQUIPMENT SALES AND RENTAL USES AS PER THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY FOR EQUIPMENT SALES AND RENTAL USES.

A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED.

THE SITE, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IS LOCATED JUST NORTH OF UNIVERSITY AND APPROXIMATELY 250 FEET EAST OF SPRING VALLEY DRIVE.

THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, AS YOU SEE HERE.

I JUST WANT TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME HERE TO EXPLAIN WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED, WHAT THE BUILDINGS ARE, AND SPECIFICALLY BUILDING A WILL BE WHERE THE MAIN OFFICE, WHERE PEOPLE WOULD COME IN AND GET INFORMATION AND DO THEIR BUSINESS.

IT WILL ALSO HOUSE THE WAREHOUSE WHERE THE BOXES WILL BE STORED.

SO THIS BIG AREA HERE ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING WILL BE THE WAREHOUSE FOR THE NEW BOXES.

BUILDING B IS WHAT YOU WOULD TRADITIONALLY KNOW AS THE SELF SERVICE STORAGE BUILDING.

AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE THAT LEASED SPACES WOULD BE ABLE TO GO IN, STORE THEIR BELONGINGS AND ALSO REMOVE THEM FROM THOSE UNITS.

AND BUILDING C SIMILARLY, THERE WILL BE UNITS THERE FOR CUSTOMERS TO LEASE SPACES OR LEASE UNITS FOR STORAGE.

THE EQUIPMENT RENTAL AND SALES AREA, THAT IS PART WHAT IS PART OF THIS SPECIFIC EXPERIMENT IS HERE OUTLINED IN THE AREAS THAT ARE SHADED. THERE ARE TWO AREAS, SPECIFICALLY ONE WHERE MY CURSOR IS CURRENTLY AT AND THEN THE AREA TO THE NORTH OF THAT AS WELL IS WHERE THAT EQUIPMENT SELLS AND RENTAL DISPLAY AREA WOULD BE LOCATED.

THE OTHER TWO AREAS THAT I WANT TO SPECIFY OR POINT OUT TO IS A AREA HERE WHICH IS OUTLINED OR SHOWN IN ORANGE.

THAT IS AN AREA THAT IS PART OF THE CONDITION THAT I WILL EXPLAIN IN A LATER SLIDE.

ESSENTIALLY, THIS AREA IS WHERE THE SHOEBOXES COULD BE STORED FOR INDIVIDUALS LOOKING TO UNLOAD THEIR ITEMS AND PLACING THEM INTO BUILDING B, THE SMALLER BOX THAT IS ORANGE IS WHERE ONE DISPLAY BOX WILL BE STORED AT ALL TIMES, AND IT WILL BE USED PRIMARILY FOR MARKETING PURPOSES.

IT WILL NOT BE USED FOR ANY STORAGE.

AGAIN, IT'S JUST THERE FOR MARKETING PURPOSES.

THE SITE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY STAFF AND ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS RELATE TO LANDSCAPE.

TREE CANOPY, COVER STREET TREES AND BUFFER AND SCREENING HAVE BEEN MET.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, SECTION TWO, FOUR, FIVE E, AS WELL AS TWO FIVE TO DH.

IN SUMMARY, THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE TEN 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LEE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT AND THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT APPROVAL IS NOT EXPECTED TO GENERATE SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL INFRASTRUCTURE OR PHYSICAL IMPACTS, AND THE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IS AVAILABLE CURRENTLY AT THE SITE TO SERVE THE SUBJECT RE-USE.

STAFF DID SEND OUT NOTICES PER THE REQUIREMENT OF STATE LAW, AND AS OF THIS AFTERNOON, THIS EVENING, STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSE, WRITTEN RESPONSE IN EITHER IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AS IT AGAIN MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL.

THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION HAS ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SIX ZERO WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, AND I WON'T READ ALL OF THE CONDITIONS.

I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT NUMBER ONE OR HIGHLIGHT THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

ESSENTIALLY, NUMBER ONE IS SAYING THAT IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN, TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THEY MUST COME BACK AND APPLY FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

NUMBER TWO ALLOWS THE STORAGE OF THAT AREA THAT I OUTLINED, THE LARGER ORANGE AREA FOR INDIVIDUALS TO STORE THEIR SHOEBOXES WHILE THEY'RE UNLOADING AND LOADING THEIR ITEMS FROM BUILDING B AND THEN.

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NUMBER TWO IS TO ALLOW FOR THAT DISPLAY YOU BOX TO BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF BUILDING A AS AGAIN FOR PURPOSES OF DISPLAY ONLY.

SO WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

MAYOR PATEL. THANK YOU, MR. RON. SO TWO TWO QUESTIONS.

I GUESS THE.

CAN YOU REMIND US IF ON ONE OF THE MAPS WHERE THE THE TEXAS 382 TO 88 OFFRAMP IS LIKELY TO BE IS IS IT EAST OF THIS TERRITORY? THERE'S A BIGGER MAP HERE.

IT IS JUST EAST.

YEAH, OVER THERE.

OUT HERE. THAT WAS ONE QUESTION.

AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION, I GUESS, IS IT MAY NOT BE ANYTHING, BUT IT IS I THINK WE WOULD ALL AGREE IT'S VALUABLE TO HAVE COMMUNITY INPUT ON THESE THINGS.

AND SO WHAT ARE YOUR SUGGESTIONS MAYBE TO US TO ENCOURAGE MORE FEEDBACK SO THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR COMMUNITY INPUT ON THIS? BECAUSE I NOTICED THERE WAS 040 AGAINST 0000 AND I THINK THAT'S A NON-IDEAL SITUATION.

SO DO WE HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS IN THAT AREA? YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE DOING ALL WE CAN RIGHT NOW WITH AS FAR AS THE APPLICATION, THERE'S SIGNS POSTED ON ON THE PROPERTY.

WE DO SEND OUT NOTIFICATIONS TO NOT JUST THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT ALSO TO THE RESIDENTS WITHIN 500 FEET.

YOU KNOW, PUBLIC NOTIFICATION WITHIN THE HOUR, NEWSPAPER, LOCAL NEWSPAPER, AS WELL AS OUR WEBSITE.

SO I THINK WE'RE DOING ALL WE CAN.

IT'S JUST PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THERE IS NOT A COMMENT THAT IS PROVIDED.

FAIR ENOUGH. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE FILLED OUT A CARD IN ADVANCE.

YOU CAN COME DOWN AND SPEAK ON IT IF YOU'D LIKE.

SEEING NO QUICK STEPS OR MOVEMENT.

I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL TAKE A MOTION OR MORE QUESTIONS.

MAYOR PRO TEM IN LIGHT OF THE LACK OF COMMUNITY RESPONSE, I'LL JUST MOVE APPROVAL.

IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

I'LL SECOND. MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS IN A DISCUSSION.

LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM B, WHICH IS A220002A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.

[B. Hold a public hearing and consider a petition for voluntary annexation of approximately 82.96 acres of land, generally located on the north side of Barthold Road approximately 1,300 feet west of Interstate 35 (I-35) into the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas. (A22-0002a, Barthold Road Voluntary Annexation, Ron Menguita)]

MAYOR MEMBERS COUNCIL IS THAT THAT'S 82 OR IS THAT 8082, SIR? THANK YOU. AND AND I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I NEED BIGGER COMMAS AND PERIODS, PLEASE.

NO, NO, JUST KIDDING. GO RIGHT AHEAD.

SORRY. I WALKED AWAY. I THOUGHT I WAS DONE, BUT NOT.

THERE WAS A COUPLE MORE ITEMS FOR ME.

THIS IS, AGAIN, THE ANNEXATION I HAD PRESENTED EARLIER.

THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE PROCESS.

AGAIN, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SHOWN HERE IN OUTLINE IN YELLOW, JUST NORTH OF BARTOW ROAD AND APPROXIMATELY 1300 FEET WEST OF I-35.

THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION SHOWS THE PROPERTY DESIGNATED AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PER THE TEN 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE AREA IS OBVIOUSLY CURRENTLY NOT ZONED.

THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY NOT IN THE CITY.

WITH THAT. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, I'LL TAKE THOSE.

BUT IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK ON IT AND JUST TO ORIENT EVERYONE, EVERYONE THAT'S WATCHING OR IN THE ROOM.

IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT TOWARDS LOOP 288 IN THAT AREA, THERE'S A BLUE TRUCK WASH THAT'S KIND OF RIGHT ON OUR 35.

THERE'S A LARGE WHITE BUILDING THERE THAT'S A COLD STORAGE BUILDING THAT'S COMING ALONG BOARD THAT DWARFS THE TRUCK WASH.

AND THEN THIS WOULD BE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT NEXT TO THE GAS STATION, JUST FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG.

BUT ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR IF NOT, I'LL ANY ANY ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF.

UH OK. YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

SORRY. AMY BISSETT, 109 NORTH ELM, DENTON, TEXAS 76201.

I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY SAY AS REPRESENTING THE THE POTENTIAL BUYER AND THE DEVELOPER OF THIS PROPERTY, THAT WE HAVE A WAYS TO GO TO GET THROUGH ANNEXATION AND THEN ZONING WILL COME AFTER THAT.

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I JUST IF YOU HAVE LOOKED AT THE MAP AND SEEN THERE IS ONE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.

SO I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE ALREADY VISITING WITH THEM.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYONE ELSE? NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

THERE'S A THERE'S NO ACTION ON THIS.

NO, NO.

OH, THIS IS JUST OK. SAME ITEM, DIFFERENT PHASE.

GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. THEN THAT TAKES US TO ITEM C.

[C. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding a change in the zoning district and use classification from Suburban Corridor (SC) District to Mixed-Use Neighborhood (MN) District on approximately 2.604 acres of land and from Residential 3 (R3) District to Mixed-Use Neighborhood (MN) District on approximately 0.196 acres of land generally located north of East University Drive (US 380) between Nottingham Drive and Old North Road in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s Official Zoning Map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [6-0] to recommend approval of the request (Z22-0003a, 380 Multifamily SC to MN, Mia Hines).]

OKAY. SO ITEM C IS Z22003.

A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, REGARDING A CHANGE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT AND CLASSIFICATION FROM SUBURBAN CORRIDOR SC DISTRICT TO MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD M IN DISTRICT ON APPROXIMATELY.

2.6604 ACRES OF LAND FROM RESIDENTIAL 3R3 DISTRICT TO IMU MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT ON APPROXIMATELY 0.196 ACRES OF LAND GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF.

EAST UNIVERSITY DRIVE US 380 BETWEEN NOTTINGHAM DRIVE AND OLD DENTON ROAD.

OH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

MIA HINES, ASSOCIATE PLANNER.

SO, AS STATED IN THE CAPTION, THIS ITEM IS A REZONING REQUEST FOR APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES OF LAND ZONED CURRENTLY ZONED SUBURBAN CORRIDOR AND ARE THREE.

AND THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THAT TO MEAN THE SITE IS GENERALLY LOCATED JUST NORTH OF EAST UNIVERSITY BETWEEN NOTTINGHAM DRIVE AND OLD NORTH ROAD.

THE SITE TO THE IF YOU NOTICE, THERE'S A SMALL PIECE OF R3 TO THE NORTHWEST THERE THAT IS INCLUDED AS A PART OF THIS REQUEST TO ALLOW FOR THE EQUAL APPLICATION OF EMISSION STANDARDS ACROSS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY THAT ARE THREE PIECE SEEN TO BE AN OVERLAP FROM THE R3 TO THE TO THE WEST.

AND SO WE'RE JUST INCLUDING THAT AS A PART OF THIS REQUEST.

THE MAIN PIECE OF THIS REQUEST IS THE PIECE THAT DIRECTLY ABUTS EAST UNIVERSITY DRIVE AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM.

THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THE SITE AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER IS MODERATE RESIDENTIAL AND THEN THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THE MAIN LARGER PIECE OF EACH UNIVERSITY IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE PER THE DENTON 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS INCLUDED IN THEIR NARRATIVE.

I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU REMIND YOU ALL THAT THIS IS A STRAIGHT REZONING REQUEST FROM R3 AND SC TO AMMON.

SO THIS CONCEPT PLAN AGAIN WAS INCLUDED AS TO SORT OF SHOW THE INTENT OF THE APPLICANT.

BUT THIS IS A STRAIGHT REZONING REQUEST.

SO IF THIS DOES GO FORWARD, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DESIGN THE SITE ACCORDING TO THE STANDARDS WITH THE PERMITTED MAIN USES.

AND I ALSO WANTED TO INCLUDE THIS HERE TO SORT OF TALK THROUGH MY NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL CRITERIA PIECE AND SORT OF EXPLAIN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AS WELL.

SO SPECIFIC TO THAT CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL CAN BE FOUND IN SUBCHAPTER TWO.

THIS SITE OR THE REQUEST SPECIFICALLY OR IN A SUMMARY.

THE ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DENTON 2040 COMPREHENSIVE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION TRANSITION FROM MODERATE RESIDENTIAL THERE TO THE NORTH TO THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE AS IT WOULD ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THAT PIECE TO THE NORTH.

AND IF YOU RECALL, STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT A DEVELOPING USE CANNOT OR CANNOT OBTAIN ACCESS THROUGH A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT.

IF THAT ZONING DISTRICT IS NOT PERMITTED BY RIGHT WITHIN.

I'M SORRY IF THAT USE IS NOT PERMITTED BY RIGHT WITHIN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.

AND THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TAKEN TO D.C..

RC WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING CODIFIED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT WITH THAT DETERMINATION IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THAT SITE TO THE NORTH WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DEVELOP WITH A A RESIDENTIAL USE.

AND THERE ARE A FEW OTHER DIFFERENCES BETWEEN S.C.

AND M AND THAT THAT SITE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO UTILIZE FOR AND REALLY NOT BE ABLE TO MEET THE PURPOSE AND THE INTENT OF THE MODERATE RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION WITHOUT THIS THAT THAT PIECE OF ACCESS.

ADDITIONALLY, THE ZONING IS INTENDED TO SUPPORT TO SUPPORT COMPATIBLE COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN HIGHER INTENSITY, MIXED USE AREAS AND ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AREAS.

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THIS WOULD REALLY SERVE AS A GOOD LAND USE AND ZONING, A COHESIVE TRANSITION BETWEEN THAT THAT LOWER DENSITY TO THE HIGHER INTENSITY DEVELOPMENT OF COMMERCIAL.

AND SO PER RDC AND AND THE STATE REGULATIONS, WE DID PERFORM A PUBLIC OUTREACH.

THE MAP, I BELIEVE THAT WENT OUT TO YOU ALL LAST, LAST WEEK HAD NO RESPONSES.

THIS THESE ARE RESPONSES THAT I'VE RECEIVED SINCE THE PUBLIC PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ON OCTOBER 12TH.

I BELIEVE IT WAS. I'M SORRY.

NO, IT WAS IT WAS IN SEPTEMBER.

AND THE SINCE THEN, THE APPLICANT HAS HELD ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.

THAT WAS ON OCTOBER 12, AND WE'VE RECEIVED APPROXIMATELY 31 RESPONSES IN OPPOSITION AND JUST A FEW OF THOSE TOTALING 1.52% OF THE TOTAL AREA WITHIN 200 FEET WAS IN OPPOSITION.

SO WITH THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AS IT DOES MEET OUR CRITERIA PER THE DDC CHAPTER TWO AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 28TH ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SIX ZERO OF THIS REQUEST WITHOUT I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

OC THANK YOU. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SO I DON'T FORGET TO DO THAT.

DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE A PRESENTATION? YES. LET'S BEFORE YOU DO THAT, CAN CAN YOU? YOU MENTIONED. STRAIGHT ZONING JUST SO THAT THOSE THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK.

I HAVE A NUMBER OF CARDS.

CAN YOU KIND OF GIVE THAT IN LAYMAN'S TERMS JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE WHAT PHASE WE'RE IN NOW SO THAT THEY CAN THEN SPEAK TO THAT BETTER? YES, SIR. SO WITH THIS REQUEST, IF THE ZONING IS APPROVED, THAT ENTIRE I'M SORRY, THE AREA OF REQUESTS AND THE END STRIP, IF THE APPLICANT CHOOSES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY, THEY WOULD NEED TO APPLY FOR A ZONING COMPLIANCE PLAN AND THAT WOULD HAVE THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN, THE LAYOUT.

AND THAT'S WHAT STAFF WOULD REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE.

RIGHT. AND THE MIN IS THAT EXISTING? YES, SIR. SO TO THE NORTH IS EXISTING, RIGHT? SO THAT CLOSEST TO THE HOUSES IS ALREADY M IN AND THEY'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE FRONT.

CORRECT. IN ORDER FOR THEM TO HAVE ACCESS DIRECTLY TO US.

380 GOT IT.

OC AND NONE OF THAT.

THAT'S JUST WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE AND THE THREE STORIES AND ALL THAT STUFF IS, IS THAT IT'S CONCEPTUAL, IT'S THE APPLICANT'S.

THEY HAVE SHARED WITH THAT TO SHOW THEIR INTENT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT.

THANK YOU, SIR. OK EVERYONE WILL COME UP IN 20 MINUTES.

IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH.

OH, SORRY.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I APPRECIATE, MAYOR, YOU KIND OF MAKING SURE THE ROOM KNOWS KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS AND KNOWING THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE ZONING COMPLIANCE YET, THAT WE HAVEN'T PICKED APART THIS SITE PLAN TO SEE IF IT COMPLIES WITH ZONING OR NOT.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THERE THAT WE MIGHT KIND OF WE MIGHT THINK ABOUT AT A GLANCE.

LIKE A 20 FOOT SETBACK FOR A THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDING.

DO WE KNOW JUST OFF THE TOP OF OUR HEADS IF THAT'S COMPLIANT WITH M.N., IF THAT'S PERMITTED IN M M N ZONING? I BELIEVE SO.

THERE ARE THERE ARE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT REQUIREMENT SETBACKS.

SO ANYTHING BETWEEN OR ANYTHING CLOSER TO 50 FEET OR CLOSER, THERE'S A THERE'S A HEIGHT RESTRICTION THERE.

AND THEN ANYTHING BETWEEN 50 AND 100 FEET, THERE'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER HEIGHT RESTRICTION.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT 20 FOOT SETBACK JUST FOR THE BUILDING IN GENERAL IS CORRECT.

OKAY. SO IF I WERE LOOKING AT THIS CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN AND I WAS FINDING SOME THINGS PROBLEMATIC WITH IT.

AT WHAT STAGE WITH THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS, HEIGHT, SETBACK, BUILDING LOCATIONS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, AT WHAT STAGE WOULD I RAISE THOSE CONCERNS AT THE, AT THE ZONING COMPLIANCE LEVEL? THAT'S THOSE ARE THINGS THAT STAFF WILL CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PER DDC.

AND THEN THOSE ARE THOSE ARE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.

IF, IF THEY BUILT SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT'S IN THE CONCEPT, WOULD THERE BE ANOTHER TRIP TO PNC, ANOTHER TRIP TO THE COUNCIL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR WOULD THEY JUST BE BUILDING BY RIGHT AND THEN LIKE THEY CAN TODAY, IF ALL OF THIS GETS APPROVED WITH, THEN THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO GO BACK TO PNC UNLESS THEY'RE REQUESTING SOMETHING OVER 40 FEET IN HEIGHT.

AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WITHIN AMMAN.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER WATCH.

THANK YOU. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

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AND YOU'VE GOT THE AREA OF REQUEST, WHICH IS THE SQUARED AREA AND YOU'VE GOT THE R3 AND THAT'S THE THE AREA BEFORE US TODAY FOR REZONING, CORRECT.

NOW, WHAT YOU SAID WAS THAT AND I STILL QUESTION WHETHER IT'S ACTUAL CODE ABOUT ACCESS OF YOU CAN'T USE ONE ZONING DISTRICT TO ACCESS ANOTHER IF IT'S NOT ALLOWED BY.

RIGHT. AND THE ONE THAT YOU'RE GAINING ACCESS.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S WE HAD THIS SAME QUESTION COME UP A MONTH OR TWO AGO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ACTUALLY MEMORIALIZED OR WORKING ON IT IN DRC OR WHATEVER THAT ACRONYM IS.

BUT MY QUESTION IS THIS.

SO PRIMARILY FROM WHAT YOU'VE SHARED, IS THAT THE REASON FOR THIS REZONING IS TO, QUOTE UNQUOTE, GAIN ACCESS TO THIS BACK PARCEL WITH LIKE KIND OF USES THAT WOULD GIVE ACCESS OUT TO 380? IS THAT IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING ON THIS? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

SO IT'S BEEN OUR CONSISTENT APPLICATION HERE AT THE CITY THAT IN ORDER FOR A DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE ITS PRIMARY ACCESS THROUGH ANOTHER ZONING DISTRICT, THAT ZONING DISTRICT IN WHICH THE ACCESS IS BEING SOUGHT THROUGH NEEDS TO ALLOW FOR THE USE BY.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THE NATURE OF THIS REQUEST THIS EVENING.

AND TO ADDRESS YOUR EARLIER STATEMENT, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CCRC TO CODIFY THAT BECAUSE WITH THAT BEING A FORMAL INTERPRETATION BY THE CITY THAT HAS CARRIED THROUGH.

AND SO WE ARE GOING TO WORK ON MAKING SURE THAT'S CODIFIED.

OKAY. SO THEN HELP ME UNDERSTAND.

IT SEEMS THAT SO THIS IS ONE WHOLE TRACK, THIS, THIS NOT JUST THE AREA OF REQUEST, BUT THE OTHER THING IS ALL ONE TRACK TOGETHER.

IS THAT CORRECT? JUST DIFFERENT ZONING OR ARE THEY SEPARATE PARCELS? IT'S KIND OF WONKY THERE.

THERE ARE A FEW.

IT'S IT'S SUBDIVIDED IN DIFFERENT WAYS THROUGHOUT THE OC.

MY ONLY QUESTION THEN IS BECAUSE OFF OF OLD NORTH ROAD.

YOU COULD GET ACCESS FROM WHAT? AT LEAST I'M LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE NOW.

THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENT SET OF PARCELS OR SOMETHING.

YOU COULD GET ACCESS TO THAT IN THOSE APARTMENTS.

CONCEPTUALLY, THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWING OF WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED AN EMIT OFF OF OLD NORTH ROAD, IS THAT CORRECT? AM I CORRECT IN THAT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

AND AND WE DID HAVE SOME CONVERSATION INTERNALLY AMONGST STAFF ABOUT THERE COULD BE THAT OPTION WHERE THE ACCESS WOULD COME THROUGH ESSENTIALLY THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT THAT IS THERE ON OLD NORTH.

AS WE LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY IN USES THAT WOULD OCCUR FOR ON THE PROPERTY, WE BELIEVE IT'S MOST IMPORTANT THAT THE PRIMARY ACCESS WOULD COME OFF OF, IN THIS CASE US HIGHWAY 380, BECAUSE THAT'S THE LARGER CLASSIFICATION ROADWAY.

SO ANY DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT'S THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT OR EVEN THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD TRANSPIRE ON THIS PROPERTY, THE BETTER OPTION WOULD BE FOR PRIMARY ACCESS TO COME OFF OF US HIGHWAY 380.

THAT'S WHERE THE BUSINESSES WOULD BE ORIENTED, PRESUMABLY THEIR FRONT DOOR WHERE THEY WOULD GET THE MOST PROMINENCE.

THE ACCESS COULD COME OFF OF OLD NORTH, BUT GIVEN THE EXISTING CLASSIFICATION OF THAT ROADWAY, IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE THE THE BEST SOLUTION FOR HAVING PRIMARY ACCESS FOR THE OVERALL TRACT AS A WHOLE COMING THROUGH THAT EXISTING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S THERE.

SURE. OKAY. SO THIS IS I BROUGHT THIS UP IN WORK SESSION ABOUT STRAIGHT ZONING, ABOUT THAT IT CAN BE ANY USE THAT'S IN THE USE TABLE.

AND I THINK THE MAYOR BROUGHT UP A GOOD OR MAYBE COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS ABOUT SOMEBODY DID ABOUT THE SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR DIFFERENT ZONING TYPES OF USES, LIKE FOR MULTIFAMILY.

YOU'VE GOT A CERTAIN SETBACK WHETHER IF YOU IF YOU'RE GOING SO HIGH, YOU'VE GOT AN ADDITIONAL SETBACK, YOU HAVE TO COME BACK.

AT WHAT POINT HAVE THOSE DETAILS OF THE USES AND THOSE SPECIFIC THAT SPECIFIC CRITERIA HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED EITHER THROUGH A PUBLIC MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THROUGH SOME TYPE OF EDUCATIONAL MATERIAL? BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING THAT THEY WANT TO DO IT FOR THIS REASON, BUT IT COULD BE A MYRIAD OF THINGS BACK THERE IN.

AND IT'S NOT JUST APARTMENTS, IT COULD BE ANYTHING ELSE.

SO. THIS IS THE ONLY TIME PUBLICLY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, THAT THOSE SPECIFIC CRITERIA IN THE ZONING CODE FOR ALL THE VARIOUS USES SORT OF GET.

ADDRESSED CONCEPTUALLY AND GENERALLY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THERE, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL BASED UPON WHAT THEY FINALLY DECIDE ON. IS THAT WHAT IS THAT WHAT I WAS HEARING, YOU KNOW? OVERALL, YES, THAT'S A FAIR ASSUMPTION OR AN ASSET, NOT ASSUMPTION, BUT AN ASSESSMENT OF THE SITUATION.

WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN AND REQUESTS REZONING OF PROPERTY, THEY SHARE WITH US THE INTENDED USE THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP ON THE PROPERTY.

BUT WE ALSO LOOK AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF ALL THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.

YOU KNOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE AREA THAT SHADED PURPLE AS ILLUSTRATED ON THIS GRAPHIC THAT ZONING EXISTS TODAY.

SO THAT WAS ALREADY DETERMINED WITH THE CONVERSION FROM THE OH TWO CODE TO THE 2019 CODE THAT THE PROPERTY WAS APPROPRIATE FOR AMEND ZONING.

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WE LOOK TO SEE WITH HOW SOMEONE IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY TO SEE OK FOR ONE, IS THE USE ALLOWED WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT.

IN THIS CASE, MULTIFAMILY IS ALLOWED WITHIN THE DISTRICT.

YOU KNOW, THEY GIVE US A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

WE DO A HIGH LEVEL ASSESSMENT REVIEW OF THAT.

WE ADVISE THEM IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS THAT WE'VE NOTED TYPICALLY THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

BUT IN THIS CASE, AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT WITH THE AREA OF REQUESTS, PREDOMINANTLY BEING BEING THE AREA THAT'S PREDOMINATELY SHADED PINK, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE SLIVER OF YELLOW THAT'S THERE.

THEN WE ALSO LOOK TO SEE HOW DOES THIS HELP FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY, WHETHER IT'S MULTIFAMILY USE OR GIVEN THAT THE DISTRICT DOES ALLOW FOR OTHER USES.

PART OF OUR CONVERSATION HAS ALSO BEEN, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE USES THAT WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN DEEMED APPROPRIATE IN MEN THAT WOULD NOT OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO DEVELOP? BECAUSE AGAIN, THE PROPERTY NOT HAVING ZONING ALONG THE FRONT, FOR EXAMPLE, I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT, BUT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DEVELOP WHERE THEY COULD TAKE ACCESS FROM 380 BECAUSE THE ZONING DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THEM THAT OTHERWISE COULD BE APPROPRIATE.

RIGHT? WELL, AND THAT'S MY POINT.

SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH YES, THE END IS IN PLACE.

HOWEVER, WITHOUT THE ACCESS, WITHOUT THE REZONING, SOME OF THE USES IN THE MAN WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT ACCESS.

THAT IS. AND SO AND SO I THINK EVEN THOUGH IT EXISTS, IT'S STILL IMPORTANT THAT THE CRITERIA FOR THOSE PARTICULAR USES, ESPECIALLY THAT ARE BEING ASKED FOR, TO BE DEVELOPED BASED UPON WE'VE GOT TO CHANGE THE ZONING BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT AT WHAT WE WANT WITHOUT THIS ACCESS, WHETHER IT BE MULTIFAMILY, WHETHER IT BE SOME OTHER TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OR APPLICATION AND THOSE SPECIFIC THAT SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT REALLY DOESN'T COME INTO PLAY UNTIL THE I THINK YOU CALL IT THE ZONING COMPLIANCE MEETING AND COMPLIANCE PLAN.

THE ZONING COMPLIANCE PLAN, WHICH IS TOTALLY OUTSIDE OF A PUBLIC FORUM SUCH AS THIS IS.

ALL RIGHT. AND THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT A CRITICISM OF THAT.

IT'S JUST SAYING THAT THAT SPECIFIC CRITERIA, AS WE'VE SEEN IN SOME OF OUR EMAILS, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY THREE STOREYS HIGH LOOKING OVER AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE INTO INTO OUR BACKYARD, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

OBVIOUSLY, SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE AND SOME OF WHO SENT US EMAILS HAVE EDUCATED THEMSELVES ON THAT CRITERIA.

BUT OTHERWISE, I MEAN, EVEN IN THE PRESENTATION, THAT CRITERIA WASN'T REALLY ENUMERATED OR SPECIFIED BECAUSE IT NEED TO BE BECAUSE IT COULD BE ANYTHING BASED UPON OUR CURRENT, OUR CURRENT WAY THAT WE DO STRAIGHT REZONINGS INSTEAD OF THIS BEING A PEDE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WELL, AND AGAIN, WE'VE EVALUATED THIS REQUEST BASED UPON THE FACT THAT THE ZONING ALREADY EXISTS TODAY.

AND SO WE'RE NOT QUESTIONING THE EXISTING ZONING.

IF ANYTHING, IF WE'RE INTERESTED IN HOW THE PROPERTY IS TO DEVELOP LONGER TERM, THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE AND VIABILITY ASPECT ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

AND SO IT'S KEEP KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE ARE SOME USES THAT ARE WITHIN THE DISTRICT THAT MIGHT BE DEEMED AS LESS INTENSIVE USES THAT MAY NOT OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO DEVELOP, BECAUSE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THIS THIS STRIP, IF YOU WILL, OF SEE ZONING IN THE FRONT.

SO WE TRY TO BALANCE THAT THROUGH OUR ANALYSIS.

AGAIN, HIGH LEVEL REVIEW OF ANY OF THE CONCEPT PLANS, WE REALIZED IT'S CONCEPTUAL.

THE APPLICANT COULD CHANGE THEIR MIND AND COME IN WITH SOMETHING ELSE.

AND I REALIZED FOR THE RECORD, TINA FERGUSON'S DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

SO MY APOLOGIES. SO I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW WHO I AM, AND I GET THAT I GUESS FROM AS SOMEONE WHO WAS AROUND WHEN WE WERE DOING IT A DIFFERENT WAY THAT FROM A PUBLIC PERSPECTIVE, FROM THE COMMUNITY, NEIGHBORHOODS, NEIGHBORS, CITIZENS, SOMETIMES WITH A STRAIGHT REZONING.

AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THE MAN, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT WE REALLY SORT OF ARE BECAUSE WITHOUT WITHOUT THIS WITHOUT THIS ZONING FOR THIS ADJACENT 1 TO 380.

M N ALMOST BECOMES INEFFECTIVE FOR FOR MANY OF THE USES BECAUSE WHATEVER'S NOT COMMON WITH SC IS NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED BECAUSE ESPECIALLY THE LESSER INTENSIVE USES, BECAUSE THOSE USES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE SC DISTRICT.

AND TO YOUR POINT ON THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

ANY TIME SOMEONE COMES IN AND MEETS WITH OUR TEAM AND IS SEEKING REZONING OR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO AN ENTITLEMENT FORM THAT WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE, THAT THEY HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING, THAT THEY REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS AND BE ABLE TO MEET WITH THEM AND ENGAGE WITH THEM.

SO WE DO OUR STANDARD NOTIFICATION PRACTICES AND AND HAVE THE APPLICANT POST SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY.

WE DO THE REQUIRED 200 FOOT MAILING.

WE ALSO DO THE 500 FOOT POSTCARD THAT GOES TO THE CURRENT RESIDENTS AS AN ADDITIONAL MEANS OF TRYING TO BE ABLE TO NOTIFY FOLKS.

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YEAH, I WANT TO GET TO THE APPLICANT.

I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION HERE AND THEN I WANT TO.

SURE. I JUST WANT TO JUST SAY I HEAR THAT, BUT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO THIS CONCEPTUALLY FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, BUT YET IT COULD BE SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT. SO WE'RE MAKING THE DECISION BASED UPON WHAT WE'RE TOLD, BUT YET IT'S REALLY A DECISION.

IT'S A BLANKET DECISION. COUNCILMAN BURT, I WON'T BE LONG.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE AN OBSERVATION.

AS WE WERE RECEIVING ALL OF THESE EMAILS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS DEVELOPMENT PERIOD, I HAD JUST RECOGNIZED THAT ONE OF THE PRIMARY THINGS THAT THE RESIDENTS WERE SAYING IS THAT THEY DID NOT APPRECIATE HAVING LARGE STRUCTURES LOOKING OVER INTO THEIR PRIVATE BEHIND THEIR FENCES AND LOOKING INTO THEIR PRIVATE BUSINESS, BEHIND THEIR FENCES.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'M OBSERVING THAT THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT COMPLAIN ABOUT NEW DEVELOPMENT OR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING COMING IN.

WE'RE WE'RE NOTICING THAT THAT'S THE PRIMARY COMPLAINT.

SO IF ANY DEVELOPER IS OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING SOMETHING NEXT TO A FENCE AND IT'S OVERLOOKING SOMEONE'S BACKYARD, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PUSHBACK ON THAT.

SO IF THE DEVELOPERS ARE HERE AND AND YOU YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HEARING EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE SAYING, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT YOU TO BE SUCCESSFUL, BUT THEY CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE THEIR PRIVACY.

SO IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF WAY THAT THE DEVELOPERS AND NOT JUST THIS DEVELOPER, BUT ANY DEVELOPER THAT COMES IN FRONT OF US CAN MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE AWARE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE PRIMARY THING THAT'S GOING TO PUSH BACK.

AND WE'VE SEEN PROJECTS GET PUSHED BACK BECAUSE THERE WAS A CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS THAT HAVE COME OUT AND THEY SAID, HEY, YOU'RE NOT IN OUR BACKYARD, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT. SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL, WHOEVER IS HERE FOR THIS AND AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOME TYPE OF RESOLUTION HERE.

YOU KNOW, BE BRAVE AND COME AND SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY IN THAT REGARD.

BUT PLEASE KNOW THAT WE CAN OBSERVE THAT.

AND I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SO AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I MEAN, STAFF DID SAY IT'S IT'S A STRAIGHT ZONING AND THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, SO THEY DIDN'T ASK US TO TAKE ANY REPRESENTATIONS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

UNDERSTANDING IT'S A REPRESENTATION, BUT IT'S NOT A REPRESENTATION.

IT'S DEMONSTRATIVE OR WHATEVER THE RIGHT VERBIAGE IS.

BUT STAFF AT THE VERY BEGINNING SAID IT'S STRAIGHT ZONING, AND SO I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THEY ASK US TO LOOK AT THAT.

IT JUST IT'S A VISUAL POSSIBILITY, WHATEVER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT TERM FOR IS.

ANYWAY, NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

THE APPLICANT HAS 20 MINUTES.

YEAH. SO WE'LL TAKE THIS PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.

OKAY? YEAH.

OH, YEAH.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEL.

JUST GIVE ME A MOMENT AND WE'LL GET THE SLIDE SHOW GOING.

AND MY NAME IS AMY BISSETT, 109 NORTH ELM, DENTON, TEXAS 76201.

THIS IS A COMBINED PRESENTATION, SO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING 20 MINUTES ON THE BOARD.

WE WILL TRY NOT TO TAKE THAT AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT I DO WANT TO WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD JUST SO THAT YOU CAN BE AWARE OF HOW THIS HAS EVOLVED OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL MONTHS.

BEFORE I DO THAT, THOUGH, I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I HAVE MET SWEDENBORG WITH STONE HAWK HERE WITH ME.

HE IS THE HE IS MY CLIENT AND THE DEVELOPER.

AND I HAVE MACK MACKEY WITH KIMLEY-HORN.

HE IS OUR ENGINEER.

AND THEY'RE THEY'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP AND CLOSE OUT THIS PRESENTATION WITH ME, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG THIS TAKES.

SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A TRICKY SITUATION FOR US AND FOR ME AS A ZONING CONSULTANT, BECAUSE WE ARE HERE WITH A STRAIGHT ZONING REQUEST AND WE HAVE ENGAGED THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEIR CONCERNS AND THEIR ASKS ARE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO A ZONING CHANGE.

SO HOW WE APPROACH THAT JUST FROM A CODE AND LEGAL STANDPOINT HAS BEEN INTERESTING FOR ME TO THINK ABOUT AND TRY TO DETERMINE THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED. SO I DO WANT TO JUST REITERATE WHAT MIA PRESENTED QUICKLY, AND THAT IS THAT WE DO HAVE A MIX OF ZONING DISTRICTS HERE

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IT IS IT IS A LESS INTENSE ZONING DISTRICT TO GO FROM SUBURBAN CORRIDOR TO MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT NOT DISREGARDING THE CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT THAT IT IS A DOWN ZONING AND IT IS ALSO TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ACCESS.

WE DETERMINED EARLY ON THAT WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE I WOULD I DESCRIBED IT AS BEING LANDLOCKED.

WE CAN'T DEVELOP THIS SITE EVEN IF WE COULD TAKE ACCESS THROUGH THE EXISTING MULTIFAMILY OFF OF OLD NORTH, WE COULDN'T MEET FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS TO GET THE KIND OF CIRCULATION NECESSARY TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH ONE POINT OF ACCESS THAT WAY.

SO IT WAS A CHALLENGE TO BEGIN WITH JUST TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO TAKE ACCESS AND HOW TO MANEUVER THAT FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT.

SO WE ARE REZONING THE SUBURBAN CORRIDOR PIECE, AS YOU KNOW, AND THE ARE THREE PIECE THAT IS KIND OF A SLIVER THAT JUST OVERLAPS THE PROPERTY LINE.

THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WE'VE HAD IN PLACE FOR A WHILE.

I JUST DO WANT TO WALK YOU THROUGH A FEW THINGS.

THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS LOCATED OFF OF UNIVERSITY THAT HAS SHIFTED SIGNIFICANTLY FROM OUR ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN DUE TO ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY AND TECH ABOUT WHAT THE MOST SAFE AND APPROPRIATE LOCATION WAS.

AND AS A RESULT OF OUR APPROVED TRAFFIC STUDY AND THEN OUR SECONDARY ACCESS IS BEING TAKEN OFF OF OLD NORTH ROAD, THE PIECE THAT IS ODD SHAPED WITH THE LITTLE CURVE IN THE MIDDLE IS IS NOT A PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.

THE SELLER IS RETAINING THAT AND THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF SELLING IT TO ANYONE.

THEY WANT TO DEVELOP IT THEMSELVES.

AND WHILE IT IS NOT A PART OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND WE'VE HAD MANY QUESTIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO JUST SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE STRANGE NATURE OF THE THE SHAPE OF OUR SITE AND THEY HAVE A CONCEPT THAT IS IS VERY SPECIFIC AND VERY THEY'RE VERY INTENT ON THAT BEING WHAT THEY DO.

SO THAT IS WHY OUR SITE IS SHAPED THE WAY THAT IT IS.

AND AS YOU KNOW ARE TWO REZONE AREAS ARE ALONG UNIVERSITY DRIVE AND THEN ALONG OUR WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, WE ARE WE ARE STAYING WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT STANDARDS, WHICH I'LL COVER IN JUST A MOMENT WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN, ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY IT IS VERY CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT. WE HAVE NOT ANALYZED IN DETAIL FIRE LANE RADII AND PARKING RATIOS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

SO BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IN THE IN THE DDC, THE DISTRICT IS DESCRIBED AS PROVIDED TO SUPPORT COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN HIGHER INTENSITY, MIXED USE AREAS IN ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AREAS.

SO WE KNOW THAT IT WAS IT WAS ZONED IN FROM THE BEGINNING TO PROVIDE A PROTECTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND A BUFFER BETWEEN THE SUBURBAN CORRIDOR AND THE OUR SIX ZONING DISTRICTS.

FLIP THROUGH THESE REAL QUICK AND IF YOU DO A COMPARISON, JUST A QUICK FROM LEAST INTENSE TO MOST INTENSE WITHIN THESE THREE ZONING DISTRICTS, OUR SIX IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL AND LOWER INTENSITY.

SC IS PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL AND HIGHER INTENSITY WITH A 55 FOOT HEIGHT MAXIMUM M IN IS INTENDED TO BE A MIX THAT'S AT NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE WITH 40 FOOT HEIGHT, WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE R SIX ZONING DISTRICT, AND COULD GO UP TO 65 WITH AN SUP, WHICH WE ARE NOT ASKING.

FOUR. WE DID HOLD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.

OUR FIRST ONE WAS IN JUNE, AND WE HAD ABOUT 15 TO 20 ATTENDEES.

WE DID OUR 500 FOOT NOTIFICATION LIST PROVIDED BY THE CITY, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAD CONTACT WITH THE HOA BOARD AND EXTENDED THE INVITATION TO OTHERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE HAD ABOUT 15 TO 20 ATTENDEES AND WE RECORDED THE MEETING AND AFTERWARDS SHARED SLIDES AND SHARED A LINK OF THE RECORDING SO THAT NEIGHBORS WHO WERE NOT PRESENT COULD SEE THE CONVERSATION AND RESPOND WITH QUESTIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE THAT THEY DIDN'T GET TO ASK IN THE MEETING.

SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE HAD ONGOING CONVERSATION FROM JUNE TO SEPTEMBER WITH THE HOA BOARD AND NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE COME BACK AND ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR EXPRESSED ADDITIONAL CONCERNS.

AND WE'VE TALKED THROUGH THOSE OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL MONTHS.

WE DID DISCUSS SEVERAL THINGS IN JUNE, AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT THOSE VERY BRIEFLY AND THEN KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT'S OCCURRED SINCE THEN.

SO WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A TEN FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT HAS TO MEET A POINT SYSTEM.

THAT POINT SYSTEM CAN BE UTILIZED FOR SCREENING AND PRIVACY PURPOSES TO HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.

AND I'LL GO THROUGH THAT IN MORE DETAIL IN A LITTLE BIT.

WE HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT LIGHTING AND HEADLIGHTS.

WE DISCUSSED SHRUBS AND FENCING OPTIONS.

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THERE'S A GAP IN THEIR PRIVACY FENCE WHERE THERE'S A PIPELINE EASEMENT AND DISCUSSED ASSISTANCE WITH WORKING ON AN ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE GAS PIPELINE COMPANY AND PARTICIPATING IN THE COST TO CLOSE THAT PRIVACY FENCE.

WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IT WAS.

IS IT SECTION EIGHT? AND NO, IT IS A MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT SITE SECURITY, CONSTRUCTION TIMELINES, WHETHER IT'S STUDENT HOUSING OR NOT, AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE REMAINING PROPERTY.

SINCE THEN, WE'VE TALKED TO THE HOA ABOUT HOW WE CAN ASSIST WITH THE COST OF THE THE GAP AND THE FENCE.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN A PHOTO HERE ON YOUR SCREEN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW TO DESIGN DRAINAGE IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE WOULD MINIMIZE OR EVEN IMPROVE THE CURRENT DRAINAGE SITUATION ALONG THE HOUSES THAT BACK UP TO OUR PROPERTY.

AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE LOCATION OF ACCESS POINTS AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHY WE WERE DELAYED BECAUSE IN OUR ORIGINAL PRESENTATION TO THE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE HERE MUCH EARLIER THAN WE ARE.

AND THAT'S BEEN REALLY ABOUT THOSE ACCESS ACCESS ISSUES AND TAKING ACCESS THROUGH THE SCC ZONING DISTRICT AND THE BEST LOCATION FROM A TEXT STANDPOINT. IN SEPTEMBER, WE COMMITTED TO ASSISTING WITH THE FENCE AND DISCUSSED THE TIMING OF THAT AND THE FUNDING OF THAT.

SO THIS GETS US TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 28TH.

WE PRESENTED AND WE DID HEAR FROM ONE NEIGHBOR WHO CAME IN OUT WITH A CONCERN ABOUT HER SPECIFIC PROPERTY BEING EXTREMELY CLOSE TO BUILDING FOUR, WHICH IS IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER HERE, AND THE PRIVACY CONCERNS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AFTER THAT MEETING AND THOSE CONCERNS GREW WITH OTHER NEIGHBORS.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WHEN WE WENT FROM ZERO IN OPPOSITION AT AND PNC TO 31 IN OPPOSITION TODAY.

AND SO IN RESPONSE TO THOSE GROWING CONCERNS, WE SCRAMBLED AND HELD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING LAST WEDNESDAY NIGHT AT NORTH LAKES PARK OR NORTH LAKES NORTH BRANCH LIBRARY AND WORKED WITH THE HOA BOARD TO DISTRIBUTE THAT INFORMATION AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND THAT WE HAD ABOUT 25 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE AT THAT MEETING AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED.

BUT I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT WE PROPOSED TO THEM IN THAT MEETING AS A STARTING POINT AND THEN WHAT WE HEARD BACK FROM THEM AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY, RECOGNIZING ALL ALONG THAT A CONCEPT PLAN IS NONBINDING AND A ZONING CASE, AND WE MAY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT.

SO WE WE LOOKED AT BUILDING FOUR.

I WENT OUT AND TOOK PICTURES.

THESE ARE MY PHOTOGRAPHS.

YOU CAN SEE THAT IN SOME AREAS, IT'S THERE'S A LOT OF TREES THAT PROVIDE SOME PRIVACY AND OTHERS THERE ARE GAPS ASSOCIATED WITH THERE ARE NO TREES THERE.

WE LOOKED AT OK, WHAT CAN WE DO WITH OUR LANDSCAPE BUFFER TO ASSIST WITH THE PRIVACY CONCERNS? WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A TEN FOOT.

WHAT CAN WE PUT IN THERE THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE MOST PRIVACY? AND THERE'S ACTUALLY NO SIDE OR REAR SETBACK IN THE ZONING DISTRICT WHATSOEVER.

BUT WE HAD IMPOSED A 20 FOOT FIRE SEPARATION FOR THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION THAT WE WANTED TO DO.

SO THAT'S WHERE THAT 20 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK INITIALLY CAME FROM.

AND WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ELEMENTS.

WHAT CAN WE PUT IN THIS LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT MAY BE TO THE MOST BENEFIT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? AND WE WANTED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT WE WANTED TO PUT IN A SIX FOOT WROUGHT IRON.

IT'S WITHIN THE BUFFER.

BUT THAT WAS SET BACK FROM THEIR PRIVACY FENCE.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS TWOFOLD.

ONE, IF WE WERE TO GET IF WE WERE TO PUT UP A MASONRY FENCE OR REPLACE THEIR EXISTING WOOD FENCE, MANY OF THE TREES THAT PROVIDE PRIVACY TODAY WOULD NO LONGER BE ABLE TO BE PRESERVED DUE TO THE FOOTINGS OF THE MASONRY WALL OR THE THE FENCE HAVING TO BE REPLACED.

AND WE ALSO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY AND ABOUT OUR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT'S ABILITY TO MAINTAIN THE GAP BETWEEN A MASONRY FENCE AND THEIR PRIVACY FENCE THAT CREATES KIND OF A NO MAN'S LAND WHERE YOU CAN HAVE TRASH, DEBRIS, PEOPLE HIDING.

YOU JUST NEVER KNOW.

AND AS A AS A PROPERTY MANAGER, SOMEBODY, A MAINTENANCE CREW WHO CAN SEE THROUGH THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE AND SEE, OH, WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM HERE, LET'S CLEAN IT UP.

WE FELT THAT WOULD BE THE BEST FOR THE NEIGHBORS.

WE ALSO PROPOSED AS AS OUR OPTIONS FOR LANDSCAPE BUFFER CANOPY TREES AND ORNAMENTAL TREES THAT WE WOULD UPGRADE FROM THREE INCH TO FOUR INCH CALIPER TREES AND WE WOULD STRATEGICALLY PLACE THEM TO COVER ALL OF THESE GAPS IN BOTH LOW PROFILE AND HIGH PROFILE BY MIXING THOSE TYPES OF TREES.

WE KNOW THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE EVERY 30 LINEAR FEET, BUT THERE'S ALSO A PROVISION IN THE CODE THAT ALLOWS FOR ALTERNATE PLACEMENT FOR SPECIFIC REASONS JUST LIKE THIS.

AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE APPROACH THAT WE TOOK WITH THEM.

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AND AND SO WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT SOME SHRUBS TO HELP WITH WITH VEHICLE LIGHTING.

BUT WE FEEL THAT THOSE WOULD BE MOST, MOST APPROPRIATELY PLACED AT THE EDGE OF THE PARKING LOT RATHER THAN IN THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

THEY WOULD PROVIDE A BETTER SCREENING.

AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT OUR TREE PRESERVATION PLAN, WHERE WE SPECIFICALLY ANALYZED WHAT TREES EXIST TODAY WITHIN THAT TEN FOOT BUFFER AND INVENTORIED THOSE.

AND WE HAVE 45 TREES WITHIN THAT BUFFER THAT WE BELIEVE ARE PRESERVED BASED ON THE LIMITS OF OUR CONSTRUCTION.

AND A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THOSE OVER 50% ARE GREATER THAN TEN INCHES TODAY, AND ABOUT 40% ARE OAK TREES OF SOME KIND, WITH 20% BEING POST OAK TREES.

YES, THERE'S A CONSIDERABLE NUMBER OF AREAS WHERE WE COULD TALK WITH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS, WHETHER THEY WOULD LIKE THOSE TO REMAIN OR NOT.

BUT THERE ARE THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TREES PRESENT TODAY THAT DO PROVIDE SOME PRIVACY.

AND OUR PROPOSAL IS TO PRESERVE AS MANY OF THOSE AS WE BELIEVE WE CAN, WHICH IN EARLY STAGE OF ENGINEERING WE BELIEVE THAT'S ROUGHLY 45 TREES. SO WITHIN THAT 1600 LINEAR FEET LANDSCAPE BUFFER WE'RE PROPOSING AND PRESERVING 45 TREES AND ADDING ESSENTIALLY 149 NEW TREES, WHICH IS 194 TREES, AN AVERAGE OF ONE EVERY 8.25 LINEAR FEET.

RIGHT. RECOGNIZING, ACKNOWLEDGING WITH ALL OF THIS THAT THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN, THAT THIS IS A ZONING CASE.

MY POINT HERE IS THAT WE DO CARE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS CONCERNED AND WE ARE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THOSE TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE.

WHAT WE HEARD IN THE MEETING WAS A NUMBER OF ISSUES, THE GREATEST ONE BEING WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORS WHO ARE CLOSEST TO BUILDING FOUR AND HOW CLOSE THAT BUILDING IS TO THEIR PROPERTY LINE.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE FENCE, WE TALKED ABOUT GARBAGE TRUCK NOISE, WE TALKED ABOUT SAFETY AND WE TALKED ABOUT DRAINAGE ISSUES.

WE BELIEVE ALL THOSE ARE ARE ISSUES THAT CAN BE TACKLED DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

BUT OUR OUTCOME WAS TO PRIORITIZE SETBACK AND PRIVACY AND LOOK AT SOLUTIONS THROUGH SITE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE DID SOME SITE LINE WORK AND OUR ARCHITECT PUT THIS TOGETHER.

THIS IS IF WE WERE TO DO A 20 FOOT SETBACK ON THIS BUILDING TO SCALE, AND THIS IS THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, THE MULTIFAMILY HERE, THIS IS THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING HOMES.

THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE FENCE AND THE SITE LINE FROM THE SECOND AND THIRD STORY.

THIS AS A MATURE TREE, MAY PROVIDE SOME PRIVACY, BUT A SMALLER SHRUB OR TREE MAY OR MAY NOT DO SO.

SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS A 40 FOOT SETBACK THAT PULLS BACK THE LINE OF SIGHT TO A PLACE THAT IT REALLY KIND OF HITS AT THE TOP OF THE FENCE AND PROVIDES MORE PRIVACY FOR A TREE THAT WOULD BE SHORTER WHEN IT'S PLANTED.

PERHAPS IN THE INTERIM.

WE HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REWORK OUR ENTIRE CONCEPT PLAN, AGAIN, RECOGNIZING IT'S NONBINDING ANYWAY.

BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN SHIFT THIS BUILDING BACK TO PROVIDE A 40 FOOT.

STEP BACK TO THIS BUILDING AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO QUALITY PLANNING PRACTICES AND ZONING COMPLIANCE THAT IS CONSIDERATE OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

AND WE I DO WANT TO SHOW YOU KIND OF BUILDING ELEVATIONS AS WELL AS A 3D RENDERING OF WHAT THIS SIMILAR PRODUCT LOOKS LIKE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT AND SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND WITH THAT, I AM GOING TO INTRODUCE MATT SWEDENBORG.

MATT, YOU'VE GOT FOUR AND A HALF MINUTES TO COME UP AND TALK.

I TRIED TO HURRY WITH STONE HOGG.

THANK YOU. HEY, EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS MATT SWEDENBORG.

I WORK FOR THE DEVELOPER, SONAL CAPITAL PARTNERS.

MY ADDRESS IS 7060.

AVERILL DRIVE.

DALLAS, TEXAS.

7523, ONE.

JUST TO GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF OUR COMPANY, WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR JUST UNDER TEN YEARS.

WE ARE BASED OUT OF DALLAS AND WE BUILD CLASS-A APARTMENTS ACROSS TEXAS.

WE ARE ONLY IN THE MARKETS OF DFW, AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO AND MIDLAND.

AND WITH THAT, OUR APARTMENTS ARE CLASS A, THEY HAVE THE HIGHEST QUALITY AMENITIES.

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WE PROVIDE A TOP QUALITY PRODUCT THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM, I GUESS, THE THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE SITE.

THERE'S THERE'S ANOTHER MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT THERE, AND IT IS VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE DO FOR. AND SO I JUST WANT TO GO OVER A COUPLE OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS JUST SO YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF KIND OF WHAT WE BUILD AND WHAT TO EXPECT WITH THIS. BUT THIS IS A PROJECT IN FORT WORTH CALLED JAMISON AT THE BLUFFS.

IT WAS 387 UNITS, MORE OF AN URBAN STYLE PROPERTY.

THIS ONE IS FOUR STORIES, BUT WOULD HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF POOL AMENITY PACKAGE AND FINISH OUTS.

IT WOULDN'T HAVE QUITE THE SAME ARCHITECTURE, BUT SAME TYPE OF FINISHES AND AMENITIES.

THIS IS A VERY SIMILAR PRODUCT TO WHAT WE WOULD BUILD HERE.

IT IS OUR ONE OF OUR NEWEST PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BUILT OUT IN MIDLAND.

WE BUILT THIS PROJECT.

IT JUST STARTED LEASING THIS YEAR AND WE'RE ALMOST STABILIZED.

AND SO WITH THAT, WE DO PROVIDE A GREAT LIVING SPACE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

AS YOU CAN SEE, A GREAT FINISH OUT AND A QUALITY LIVING EXPERIENCE FOR THE PEOPLE IN OUR APARTMENTS.

AND SO JUST A COUPLE OTHER THINGS TO NOTE.

I THINK ONE IMPORTANT THING TO JUST STRESS ON, AND I THINK AMY DID THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE PORTION OF THESE ZONING CASES THAT WE WERE ASKING FOR IS THE OBVIOUSLY THE SOUTHERN SOUTHWESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE THAT IS NOT BUTTING UP TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I THINK WE'VE KIND OF HIT ON THIS A FEW TIMES.

BUT BY RIGHT, WE ARE ABLE TO BUILD AND THE ZONING, IT IS MORE OF AN ACCESS ISSUE GETTING US TO HIGHWAY 380.

WE DID REACH OUT TO THE OTHER MULTIFAMILY SITE THAT IS THAT IS ACTUALLY ON OLD NORTH ROAD.

THEY WERE NOT.

KEEN ON GIVING US ANY TYPE OF ACCESS TO YOUR PROPERTY.

WE'VE DONE WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD A LOT OF PROPERTIES WHERE WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND SO THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WE WERE HOPING COULD BE AN OPTION HERE.

BUT TALKING TO THEM, IT WAS OUT OF THE QUESTION.

AND SO WITH THAT, OUR PROOF TIA AND OUR TALKS WITH CITY STAFF, THE ENTRANCE LOCATION, THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS WHERE THEY HAVE WANTED IT AND REQUESTED IT.

WE WOULD HAVE HAD IT IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LOCATION.

BUT DUE TO SAFETY CONCERNS WITH TRAFFIC, WE WERE WILLING TO MOVE THAT.

AND THINK. AND AMY.

AMY SPOKE TO THIS AS WELL.

BUT GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE COMMUNICATION WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WE WANTED TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND WE DO WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS HERE IN THE SITUATION. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE CAME TO THEM IN THE BEGINNING OF JUNE.

AND, YOU KNOW, A WEEK AGO AND NOW AND WHY WE ARE OFFERING THAT ADDITIONAL 40 FOOT SETBACK.

THAT WAS NOT INITIALLY AN OPTION WHEN WE SPOKE LAST WEEK.

BUT THAT'S YOUR TIME. SORRY.

THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

I APPRECIATE IT. AND THANK YOU.

AND AFTER AFTER EVERYONE SPEAKS, YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRIEF.

I FORGET HOW LONG JESSE REMINDED ME, BUT THERE'S A REBUTTAL PERIOD FOR, I THINK BOTH.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.

OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO GET INTO THE COMMENTS, IF WE CAN.

TINA. ALL RIGHT, TINA. HALEY, CAN YOU HELP ME? CAN YOU PULL THAT DOWN? OKAY. AND THEN SO THE FIRST SPEAKER IS AND JUST BY WAY OF REFERENCE, THOUGH, BEFORE YOU DO THAT, TINA, CAN YOU TELL ME, CAN YOU LOOK AND THEN COME BACK UP AND TELL ME? SO IF YOU LOOK ON GOOGLE MAPS, CAN YOU GIVE ME THAT DISTANCE? BEST GUESS FROM THE EXISTING APARTMENT COMPLEX BEHIND THOSE HOMES? RIGHT. THERE'S TWO PARKING SPACES AND IT COMES TO THE BUILDING.

I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW MANY FEET THAT IS THAT'S EXISTING BEHIND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WHAT, 75 FEET?

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OKAY. AND THEN.

AND THEN ALSO.

BUT THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK AND THEN.

THANK YOU. I'M GOOD.

AND THEN FOR THOSE THAT ARE THAT ARE SPEAKING, I'M I'M A FOOTBALL FIELD GUY, SO I CONVERTED A FEW THINGS JUST SO Y'ALL CAN HAVE VISUALS.

SO WHEN YOU COME AND SPEAK SO BEST MY UNDERSTANDING, IF GOOGLE DIDN'T LEAD ME WRONG, IT'S 0.6 YARDS IS THAT SPACE BETWEEN EACH TREE THEY GAVE A FEET.

BUT I GO IN YARD, SO THAT'S ALMOST A LITTLE LESS THAN A YARD ON A FOOTBALL FIELD AND THEN FOUR INCH CALIBER TREE.

AND AGAIN THIS IS ON MY GOOGLE SEARCH ENDS UP BEING ABOUT IT'S ABOUT A 18 TO 20 FOOT TREE.

JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I AGAIN THAT'S THAT'S GOOGLE SEARCHES BUT WANTED TO SHARE THAT JUST SO YOU HAVE THAT HAVE A VISUAL OR IF IT HELPS YOU SHAPE YOUR QUESTIONS BY ALL MEANS FIRST UP, DIANA SIMS. IF YOU CAN COME GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES.

OKAY. SHE'S GOT ME.

ARE THESE MY. DID ME PUT THESE UP HERE? I'VE NEVER USED THIS BEFORE. OH, SO YOU WANT YOU HAVE VISUALS THAT WOULD GO ON THAT.

YEAH. THEY WOULD GO ON THE THE PADDED AREA.

OH, SHE'S SENDING THE POWERPOINT.

SO HOW DO I GO FROM ONE? OKAY, GOT IT. AND I JUST GO.

SO WHERE'S THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE.

YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE ELEVATIONS ON THAT SCALE OF ELEVATIONS.

YES. OKAY. THANK YOU, HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THANK YOU FOR HEARING OUR CONCERNS AND INPUT.

I KNOW I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MANY OTHER FAMILIES AND HOMEOWNERS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA AND ZONING CHANGE REQUEST, WHICH IS UP FOR COUNCIL VOTE THIS EVENING.

THE USE IS PERMITTED WITHIN THE SUBURBAN CORRIDOR.

ZONING CURRENTLY IN PLACE PROVIDE BETTER OPTIONS TO ENHANCE AND ADD VALUE TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

CHANGING THE ZONING TO MIXED USE FROM SUBURBAN CORRIDOR WOULD ALLOW FOR BUILDING LARGE THREE STOREY MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS ON THAT LAND WITH WITHOUT THE REQUIREMENT OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR A NO VOTE ON THE REZONING.

AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE REZONING OR ABOUT THE THE SUBURBAN CORRIDOR INTO THE MIXED USE.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF MY HOME RIGHT HERE.

I'M IN THE ORANGE HOUSE.

THE MIDDLE PICTURE THAT AMY SHOWED IS THE BACK OF MY HOUSE.

THE THE RED LINE SHOWS THE HEIGHT OF THAT BUILDING LOOKING OVER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I WANT TO SAY IT'S, WHAT, 65 FEET LATERAL, WHICH WOULD COMPLETELY COVER UP MY TOTAL BACKYARD, MY NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARD AND MY OTHER ONE OVER TO THE TO THE SIDE THERE HALFWAY.

IT'S THREE STOREYS HIGH.

WE'VE ASKED THIS DEVELOPER ABOUT MAYBE MAKING THEM TWO STORIES, LIKE THE THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.

THIS BUILDER ONLY BUILDS THREE STORIES AND ABOVE, SO THAT'S NOT EVEN AN OPTION.

I KNOW THEY TALKED ABOUT IT BEING CONCEPTUAL, BUT THAT'S NOT AN OPTION WITH THIS BUILDER.

IT'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST THREE STORIES HIGH.

I MEAN, LOOK AT THIS NEXT PICTURE HERE.

AND YOU CAN SEE HOW ALL OF THOSE WINDOWS AND BALCONIES, I MEAN, LITERALLY, THEY WOULD BE LOOKING OUT INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

I THINK MAYBE IF YOU CLICK THE ARROW AT THE TOP THERE, MAYBE THAT'S IT.

SORRY. TOO LITTLE OVER THE OTHER WAY.

SO THE MAGNIFYING GLASS AND THEN THERE'S THE ARROWS AT THE TOP THERE.

WELL, MAYBE MIA CAN COME HELP ME, AND THEN I'M GOING TO I'LL CONTINUE ON.

IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, WE HAVE MANY RETIREES, SINGLE WOMEN AND YOUNG FAMILIES.

WE HAVE MADE HARDER AND INVESTMENTS OF TIME AND MONEY INTO THE PLACES WE CALL HOME, PAVING THE WAY FOR BUILDING PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE IN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO OUR HOMES WILL DRASTICALLY IMPACT THE SAFETY, SECURITY, PRIVACY, PROPERTY VALUES AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR HOMEOWNERS AND FAMILIES WHO CONSIDER THEIR HOMES JUST AS YOU DO.

A SMALL PLACE OF RESPITE AND COMFORT AWAY FROM THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE AND CRAZINESS OF LIFE.

IN REGARD TO PRIVACY, IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED BY THE DEVELOPER DEVELOPMENT TEAM THAT TREES WOULD BE PLANTED ALONG OUR SOUTHERN FENCE LINE FOR AN ADDED BUFFER, BUT NO TREES CAN BE PLANTED THAT WILL BLOCK THE VIEWS OR COVER UP THE HUGE BUILDINGS THEY'RE PLANNING TO BUILD.

SO CLOSE TO PORTIONS OF OUR SOUTH FENCE, APARTMENT DWELLERS WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE CLEAR VIEW INTO OUR BACKYARDS, FRONT YARDS, HOME WINDOWS AND DOWN OUR STREETS, WHICH IS A GREAT SECURITY CONCERN.

IMAGINE THE OPPORTUNITIES CREATED FOR APARTMENT DWELLERS WHO MAY NOT HAVE GOOD ON THEIR MIND TO GET TO SEE UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL OR COMINGS AND GOINGS WHO LIVES WHERE

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I MEAN, WHEN YOU STAND, THIS IS MY BACKYARD.

I HAVE ABOUT 12 FEET FROM THE CORNER OF MY HOUSE TO THE FENCE.

AND YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT BUILDING, EVEN IF IT'S 40 FEET BACK, IT'S NOT FAR ENOUGH.

THEY WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO SEE IN MY BACK DOOR WHAT I'M COMING IN AND OUT.

AND NOT JUST ME, BUT THE OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT ARE AROUND.

MY MOTHER LIVES IN THE HOUSE NEXT TO ME OVER ON TO THE TO THE WEST OF MY HOME.

AND THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF VIEWS INTO HER HOME AS WELL.

AND THE TREES THAT ARE BACK THERE, MOST OF THEM ARE HACKBERRY.

THEY DON'T LIVE LONG.

THEY ALL LOSE THEIR LIVES IN THE WINTER.

THERE'S NO BARRIER THERE.

THERE'S ONE LITTLE EVERGREEN TREE THERE AND IT'S A CEDAR TREE.

AND. AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.

I'M SORRY. THAT'S YOUR TIME. NO PROBLEM.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, JOE.

TEA? MARC MARQUEZ, THANK YOU.

YOU CAN COME DOWN, YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL.

THANKS FOR EVERYBODY TO COME.

I'M JOE MARKS AND I LIVE AT 2516 CHEVY LANE.

I JUST RECENTLY MOVED HERE FROM HOUSTON.

I WAS A POLICE OFFICER THERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS.

AND AFTER I RETIRED, I CAME HERE.

MY SON ACTUALLY OWNS A HOUSE WHERE I'M AT, BUT I CAME HERE BECAUSE IT WAS A GOOD INVESTMENT FOR HIM.

HE CHECKED ALL HIS HOME, HE DID ALL HIS HOMEWORK AND EVERYTHING LIKE EVERYONE SHOULD DO AND STUFF AND DO DILIGENCE BEFORE YOU BUY A HOME.

AND THIS WAS NOT ZONED FOR EVERYBODY TO BE PUT IN BUILDINGS BACK THERE.

I REALLY DIDN'T COME WITH A WHOLE LOT PREPARERS.

I GOT ALMOST SHORTCHANGED ON THIS.

I HAD NO IDEA THIS WAS GOING ON.

OTHERWISE I PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE MADE THE PLANS THAT I DID THAT PROBABLY A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BUILT HOMES HERE AND LIKE ACTUALLY HAVE PUT INVESTMENTS IN HERE, THAT'S WHEN WE BUILT THESE HOMES.

MY SON AND OTHER PEOPLE BUILT THESE HOMES.

SO Y'ALL WERE NOT HERE.

IT WAS ZONED FOR A REASON AND A REASON ONLY.

AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, SOMEONE HAS THIS GREAT IDEA OF PUTTING THIS BIG GIANT APARTMENT COMPLEX OVER THERE.

I WAS FIRST RESPONDING CALLS INTO, LIKE, ALL DIFFERENT TYPE OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN THE HOUSTON AREA.

IT'S NOT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.

IT'S THE ELEMENT THAT COMES WITH IT.

I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY JUST HOW MANY HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PUT IN THERE, BUT YOU HAVE 250 HOMES.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO YOU'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE THAT FOR THAT'S WHERE ALL THE CARS THAT ARE GOING TO BE THIS.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE ACTUAL BURGLARIES AND MOTOR VEHICLES.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BREAKING INTO THESE CARS, JUMPING OVER INTO OUR FENCES.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING OVER INTO OUR YARDS.

THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING DOWN.

THERE'S REALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT OF TREES, REALLY, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER.

LIKE SHE WAS SAYING, ALL THE LEAVES FALL OFF OF THEM TREES.

THERE'S NO PRIVACY BACK THERE AT THAT POINT.

BUT I GUESS MY POINT IS, IS BEFORE YOU ALL DECIDED THIS GREAT BIG THING YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THERE, WE HAD ALREADY INVESTED IN OUR HOMES THERE, AND NOW IT'S FOR THEM TO COME IN HERE AND JUST CHANGE THINGS. MAYOR, I JUST WISH EVERYBODY WOULD THINK ABOUT THIS.

YOU KNOW, THESE ARE CONSTITUENTS OF YOURS, AND WE JUST REALLY WANT YOU ALL TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE THERE IS A SECURITY ISSUE HERE THAT COMES WITH APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE COME.

IT'S NOT THE PEOPLE, LIKE I SAY, THAT ARE GOING TO BE RENTING THESE.

IT'S GOING TO BE THE PEOPLE THAT'S COMING IN TO VANDALIZE THESE HOMES, THESE CARS.

AND ANYWAY, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I WANTED TO SAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, EVERYBODY.

LIKEWISE. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU FOR SERVICE.

OK. AND NEXT SPEAKER IS SID.

TOM LINDHOLM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE YOU. YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES. OKAY.

AND MY WIFE IS FRANCESCA.

SHE'S NOT HERE, BUT I REPRESENT HER AS WELL.

YOU'RE DOING GREAT.

THANKS, SOPHIE. SO WE LIVE AT 2328, PAXTON.

WAY IN THE OLD NORTH PART PHASE TWO SUBDIVISION.

WE'RE VERY CONCERNED REGARDING THE PROPOSED THREE STOREY APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WILL BACK UP TO OUR FENCE LINE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY. WE'RE TWO HOUSES DOWN FROM MS..

DIANA, WHO JUST SPOKE OAK.

OUR PROPERTY VALUES, NUMBER ONE, SECURITY, NUMBER TWO, PRIVACY.

AND THEN THE NATURAL HABITAT WILL BE SERIOUSLY IMPACTED IN A NEGATIVE WAY IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, AS PRESENTED TO US BY THE DEVELOPER AT OUR HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION MEETING LAST WEEK.

AND MY WIFE. AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW, TOO, THAT WE ARE NOT AND I REPEAT, NOT OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA.

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AND WE WERE ONE OF THE THE FIRST HOMEOWNERS IN THE AREA TO DO THAT.

WE ARE OPPOSED TO THIS TYPE OF A HIGH RISE DEVELOPMENT AS IT'S PRESENTED.

IT IS A SERIOUS ENCROACHMENT ON PRIVACY, SAFETY, SECURITY OF OUR BEAUTIFUL, FRIENDLY COMMUNITY.

ADDITIONALLY, AT 4:00 TONIGHT, I, I TOOK A PICTURE AND I MAY OR MAY NOT SHARE THAT OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL RED TAILED HAWK WAS SITTING ON OUR BACK FENCE.

PRETTY COOL. WE STAND TO ALSO LOSE A PORTION OF OUR LARGE NATIVE TREES TO THE DEVELOPMENT, ONLY TO BE REPLACED BY SMALLER TREES THAT WILL TAKE YEARS TO GROW, TO GROW.

YOU SAW IN THE WHAT AMY PRESENTED SHOWING THE THREE STORY APARTMENTS IN THOSE BIG TREES.

THOSE TAKE HOW LONG? 20 YEARS TO GROW.

I DON'T I DON'T KNOW.

BUT THAT IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WOULD BE REPLACED BY THE 85 TREES THERE SO GRACIOUSLY OFFERING TO PUT THERE.

ON A MORE PERSONAL NOTE.

OUR BACKYARD IS ONE OF A LIMITED NUMBER OF CERTIFIED WILDLIFE WILDLIFE HABITATS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, SANCTIONED BY THE NATIONAL WILDLIFE FEDERATION AND THE TEXAS CONSERVATION ALLIANCE.

WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED FOR OUR NATIVE ANIMALS.

EARLIER, I USE THE TERMINOLOGY COMMUNITY RATHER THAN NEIGHBORHOOD.

BY DEFINITION, A COMMUNITY IS STATED AS BEING A FEELING OF FELLOWSHIP WITH OTHERS AS A RESULT OF SHARING COMMON ATTITUDES, INTERESTS AND GOALS.

WE'RE A VERY DIVERSE COMMUNITY WITH A MIXTURE OF YOUNG FAMILIES, CHILDREN, SINGLE AND RETIRED COUPLES WHO WILL AND DO COME TOGETHER WHEN NECESSARY TO HELP KEEP THEIR UNIQUE COMMUNITY A SAFE, PEACEFUL AND GREAT ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL OF US.

AS YOUR WITNESS HERE THIS EVENING WITH THE NUMBERS AND THE VOICES OF OUR COMMUNITY.

WE WATCH OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER.

WE ARE A COMMUNITY THAT PROMPTS THE VISITORS TO COMMENT ON HOW PLEASANT, WELL-KEPT AND UNIFORM THE SURROUNDINGS ARE AND WHAT A GREAT PLACE IT MUST BE TO LIVE HERE IN DENTON.

AND WE AGREE WITH THEM AS INDIVIDUALS.

OUR HOMES ARE THE LARGEST SINGLE INVESTMENT WE MAKE.

WE HAVE FIRST TIME HOMEOWNERS ALL THE WAY TO FINAL HOMEOWNERS.

HOMEOWNERS. I'D LIKE TO PRESENT A COUPLE OF EXHIBITS, IF I COULD.

YES, YOU'VE PUT IT THERE AND THEN THEY'LL TURN ON THE DOCUMENT CAMERA.

AND THEN WHAT DO WE DO? OH, THERE WE GO.

WHAT? WHAT AMY SHOWED.

AND THAT'S. THAT'S YOUR TIME. BUT GO AHEAD.

YOU CAN. QUICK SUMMARY.

THE. THE TEN FOOT BUFFER.

OKAY, HERE'S. HERE'S THE BUILDING OF MOST CONCERN THEY AGREED TO THAT THEY'D MOVE IT BACK 40 FEET.

SO THAT'S OVER HERE.

WE'RE RIGHT HERE.

WE HAVE A SMALL SWIMMING POOL IN OUR BACKYARD.

THIS IS A TEN FOOT BUFFER.

YES, THERE'S GREEN SPACE HERE.

THE BACKS UP TO THE FENCE LINE.

PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IN OUR BACK YARD FROM THE THIRD, THIRD VIEW.

AND IF THIS WILL WORK.

THIS. THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD APARTMENT THEY'RE REFERRING TO.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE FENCE LINE.

THIS IS IN MS.. DIANA'S NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'RE BEYOND THAT.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER CARS BACK UP, YOU KNOW, RIGHT TO THAT.

AND IT IS VERY CONCERNING FOR THE THREE REASONS I MAY I MADE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN NOT MOVING THIS FORWARD.

YOU DID GREAT. YOU GUYS, ARE YOU REPPING BOTH? YOU REPRESENTED BOTH OF YOU ALL VERY WELL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES.

OKAY. AND THEN THERE'S CLARK PERKINS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL, FOR HEARING US TONIGHT.

I AM CLARK PERKINS.

I RESIDE AT 2209 PAXTON WAY.

I AM THE APPOINTED SECRETARY OF THE HOME OLD NORTH PARK.

I. THE COMMENTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR TONIGHT, I'LL SAY IN ADVANCE.

WE ALL ARE UNITED IN THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT.

WE ARE NOT VERY SECURE, THOUGH, WITH THE DEVELOPER'S PLAN.

AND THAT IS A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT CLOSE TO OUR RESIDENTS IS VERY CONCERNING TO US.

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WE OUR COMMUNITY IS VERY UNIQUE.

YOU CAN SEE FROM SOME OF THE PICTURES OF THE HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWN, THIS IS NOT JUST THE THE STANDARD COMMUNITY, THE STANDARD BRICK HOME. WE HAVE COTTAGE HOMES.

THEY'RE VERY UNIQUE AND THEY ATTRACT ATTENTION.

SO MUCH SO THAT EACH OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE BOUGHT ONE.

AND WE HAVE OUR PROPERTY VALUE AT STAKE.

BY PLACING A LARGE COMPLEX THAT CLOSE TO THIS COMMUNITY, WE WOULD HAVE WELCOMED THE DEVELOPERS PROVIDING ELEVATIONS THAT ARE FINALIZED AND UNDERSTAND THE REASONS WHY THEY'RE NOT.

BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION FOR A COMMUNITY ESTHETIC, ALONG WITH MORE IMPORTANT ONES OF SAFETY AND SECURITY AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN RAISED SO WELL, THEY MAY NOT BE OBLIGATED TO GIVE US THAT CURRENTLY.

AND UP FRONT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE RESPONSIBLE IF WE COULD HAVE HAD AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BUILD.

WE HAVE SEEN RENDITIONS OF BUILDINGS, SO YOU HAVE TO THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL.

BUT WHAT WE UNDERSTAND THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD IS A BATON BOARD BUILDING WITH LICK AND STICK BRICK ON THE OUTSIDE AND COMPOSITION ROOF.

THEY ALSO TELL US THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN WITH THEIR RIGHT, THEY'RE GOING TO SELL IT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WITHIN A TIME FRAME.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO REMEMBER MATT AND AMY, BUT SOMEWHERE AROUND 5 TO 7, EIGHT YEARS, THEY'RE GOING TO SELL IT.

THAT'S CONCERNING BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE INVESTED IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL, NOT JUST INVESTED IN WHAT THEY'RE IN THEIR OWN POCKETS. SO AGAIN, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR THIS, THINGS JUST LIKE THIS AND MORE.

BUT AS YOU'RE CONSIDERING IT, CONSIDERING IT AS THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, THAT NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT, BUT NOT FOR DEVELOPMENT, THAT INTRUDES ON OUR WAY THAT WE'RE LIVING.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NEXT WEEK, STAY IN CLASS.

CLAYSON SEE, THAT'S WHERE I STAY AWAY FROM.

LAST NAMES. SORRY, SORRY.

YEAH. COUNCILWOMAN I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU THIS EVENING BECAUSE I HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM MY NEIGHBORS.

MY NAME IS STAN CLAYSON.

I LIVE AT 2324 PAXTON WAY.

I'M ACTUALLY CID'S NEIGHBOR.

AND THE REASON I'M AGAINST THESE ZONING CHANGES IS NOT THAT THERE ARE SUCH GREAT EARTH SHATTERING EVENTS IN THEMSELVES, BUT THEY FACILITATE A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF THIS MULTI STOREY COMPLEX DIRECTLY IN OUR BACKYARDS.

MOST OF OUR YARDS ARE SMALL.

THERE'S ZERO LONG LINE HOUSES.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE A MONOLITHIC 40 FOOT STRUCTURE IN THE BACK AND SOMEBODY ALREADY DID THE TRIANGLE EXERCISE A LITTLE BIT EARLY, YOU CAN'T AVOID LOOKING DOWN IN OUR OUR BACKYARDS AND OUR WINDOWS AND OUR HOMES.

ALL OF YOU, I ASSUME, LIVE IN AND AROUND DENTON.

I'M SURE YOU HAVE NICE HOMES.

YOU HAVE FAMILIES, KIDS, GRANDKIDS, A LITTLE BARBECUE, MAYBE ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON, MAYBE EVEN A SWIMMING POOL.

AND IF I BUILT. A 40 FOOT STRUCTURE WITHIN 50 FEET OF YOUR PROPERTY LINE.

YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT TO LIVE THERE EITHER, BECAUSE THESE COME WITH A LITANY OF NOISE, POLLUTION, LIGHT, SOUND SIGHT, AND YOU CAN'T PUT ENOUGH TREES ALONG THAT FENCELINE TO BLOCK THOSE THINGS OUT.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT'S CONSCIONABLE TO BUILD A HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT OF THIS KIND NEXT TO A ZERO LINE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I HOPE THAT THE THE COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER THAT WHAT THIS REALLY IS ABOUT IS QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE CITIZENS THAT ALREADY LIVE THERE VERSUS A PROFIT LINE OF AN INVESTMENT.

AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD DO THE RIGHT THING AND CONSIDER SERIOUSLY THE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES AND HOW THESE DEVELOPMENTS AFFECT US IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD DO THE RIGHT THING AND CONSIDER THAT VERSUS A PROFIT MARGIN.

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IT'S HORRIBLE.

AND ALTHOUGH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPERS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT MAY BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, THEY HAVE GOOD INTENT, AND THEY'VE ASSURED US IN MEETINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE STEPS OF SECURITY ON PROMISE, THE PREMISES AND LOTS OF TREES AND VARIOUS THINGS TO TRY TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS, AS HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED.

THEIR BUSINESS PEOPLE ARE GOOD BUSINESS PEOPLE AND I WISH THEM WELL SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE WE HAVE OBTAINED FROM THE CITY A LIST OF BUSINESSES THAT WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'RE NOT AGAINST PROGRESS, BUT WE ARE DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ON OUR PROPERTY LINES.

AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. THE LAST CARD I HAVE IS MARY JANE.

IT'S NOT. HI, MY NAME IS MARY JANE CLAYSON, AND I LIVE AT 2324 PAXTON WAY.

AND THAT WAS MY HUSBAND, STAN THAT WAS SPEAKING.

OUR PROPERTY BACKS RIGHT UP TO THE DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY THAT WELL, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE ZONING LAWS WERE CREATED IF THEY TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION ZERO THAT LINE RESIDENTIAL HOMES BEING RIGHT UP AGAINST MIXED USE ZONING.

BUT. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.

OUR MASTER BEDROOM WINDOW IS 11 FEET FROM OUR FENCE.

IT'S A TINY BACKYARD.

IT'S TINY, AND THERE'S ONLY A TEN FOOT BUFFER ZONE THAT'S SO TINY.

AND THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS AGAIN, THOSE CARS ARE GOING TO PARK NOSE IN 20 FEET FROM OUR MASTER BEDROOM WINDOW.

THAT JUST SEEMS UNCONSCIONABLE, DOESN'T IT, TO FOR ZONING TO ALLOW THAT.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND I'M NOT AGAINST PROGRESS.

I'M NOT I'M NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT.

BUT I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE SOMETHING LIKE A NURSING HOME OR OTHER THINGS THAT ARE COMPATIBLE THAT OR THAT COMPLY WITHIN THAT ZONING.

THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER BUSINESSES THAT COULD GO IN THERE.

AND SO I'M HOPING THAT YOU WILL VOTE AGAINST THE ZONING CHANGES SO THAT AND IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL AGAINST THE DEVELOPER, BUT SO THAT IT WILL MAKE IT LESS DESIRABLE FOR THEM TO WANT TO PUT THIS THREE STOREY, 40 FOOT GIGANTIC THING RIGHT IN THEIR BACKYARD AND. JUST IT'S GOING TO HURT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE SO MUCH.

I ALREADY FEEL INSECURE ABOUT THE THOUGHT OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO SEE US AND WATCH US.

I FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT.

IF IT WAS ANOTHER TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS TWO STORY OR THAT WAS LIKE JUST ANYTHING ELSE THAT THAT IS COMPATIBLE IN THE MS ZONING, IT WOULD JUST SEEM TO BE SO MUCH MORE REASONABLE TO BUILD THAT NEXT TO OUR OUR TINY ZERO LOT LINE OF HOMES ALL ALONG THAT STRIP.

SO I HAD A LOT OF OTHER THINGS WRITTEN DOWN THAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, BUT A LOT OF IT'S REDUNDANT THAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID THAT'S SPOKEN.

BUT PLEASE CONSIDER IF YOU'RE LAYING IN BED AND DOORS ARE SLAMMING AT ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT, PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING.

YOUR DOG STARTS BARKING, NEIGHBOR'S DOG START BARKING.

I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE SO MANY CAR SLOTS, SO MANY PARKING LOTS, RIGHT BY OUR MASTER, RIGHT BY OUR OUR BACKYARDS.

THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE I WANTED TO SAY.

I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS AND I JUST LOST IT.

BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S BASICALLY JUST PLEASE PUT YOURSELF IN OUR SHOES AND CONSIDER IF YOU VOTE AGAINST THIS ZONING THAT MAYBE IT WILL DETER THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT IT'LL OPEN THE DOORS FOR A MUCH MORE A PROJECT THAT'S MORE CONDUCIVE TO OUR OUR FEELING OF SECURITY AND ALSO PROPERTY VALUE TOO.

BUT I'M JUST VERY NERVOUS ABOUT THIS GOING UP.

AND SO I HOPE THAT YOU'LL HELP US AND LISTEN TO US AND REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HEARING US.

THANK YOU. OK THANK YOU.

I DID MISSPEAK. I HAVE ONE MORE, DON.

IS IT NOT? YES.

[05:20:07]

THANK YOU. MARIN CITY COUNCIL.

I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM DIANA, WHO IS THE FIRST SPEAKER.

AND IT SOUNDS I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT EVERYTHING EVERYBODY'S EVERYBODY SAID, BUT IT JUST THE THREE STORY IS JUST TOO AGGRESSIVE FOR THAT AREA.

AND IT'S THE NOISE AND THERE'S GOING TO BE BALCONIES AND.

WE ALREADY HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX TO THE TO THE EAST.

AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PROBLEMS THAT COME IN FROM DOWN THERE ALREADY.

SO IT'S THE THREE STORY BOTHERS ME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT. SO IT IS AN OPEN MEETING ITEM.

SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE FILLED OUT A CARD TO SPEAK, IF YOU CARE TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE AND PLEASE COME DOWN, GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

OK WE HAVE.

SO. BOTH YEAH, COME ON DOWN AND YOU CAN JUST.

ROCK, PAPER, SCISSORS. SEE WHO GOES FIRST.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

DANA ZOLLER.

610 EMERY.

THAT MEANS I HAVE NO PERSONAL DOG IN THE FIGHT HERE.

THE CITY OF DENTON SPENT A LOT OF MONEY DOING THEIR 2030 PLAN.

EVERY TIME I COME TO THESE MEETINGS, THERE ARE ZONING CHANGES.

YOU HAVE TO THINK, D ARE WE GOING TO CREATE A COMMUNITY OR KEEP OUR COMMUNITY? HOW DO YOU WANT DENTON TO GROW? DO YOU WANT IT A COMMUNITY OR YOU JUST WANT TO DEVELOPMENT WITH BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN AND OUT, IN APARTMENTS? A NEIGHBORHOOD IS CREATED WITH NEIGHBORS.

APARTMENTS AREN'T NEIGHBORS, AND I SINCERELY HOPE THAT YOU DO NOT SUPPORT YET ANOTHER APARTMENT BUILDING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF YOU READ DENTON RICK RECORD CHRONICLED ALL THE PROBLEMS WHERE FLO WAS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND THERE, THEY'VE GOT FLOODING.

THERE ARE JUST ISSUES WHEN YOU PUT APARTMENTS NEXT TO NEIGHBORS.

SO I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU ALL WILL NOT SUPPORT PUTTING MULTIFAMILY WHEN IT ISN'T ZONED FOR IT.

SO PLEASE DON'T CHANGE THE ZONING.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

I CAN GIVE YOU A NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES. GALEN BOYER, 2601 CHEVY LANE, DENTON, TEXAS.

76209. I'M BRAND NEW TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ACTUALLY JUST CLOSED ON MY HOME.

SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2022.

WIFE AND I JUST HAD OUR FIRST BABY.

SHE'S ABOUT FIVE WEEKS OLD.

AND SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE AMERICAN LIFE.

MY WIFE IS AN IMMIGRANT FROM PERU.

SHE GREW UP SHE MOVED HERE THE THIRD GRADE.

I GREW UP KIND OF PRETTY LOW INCOME.

WE BOTH PUT OURSELVES THROUGH COLLEGE, HAVE WORKED SUPER HARD THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THROUGH EVEN COVID AND RECESSION AND INFLATION AND ALL THE STUFF THAT'S BEEN GOING ON. WE FINALLY FOUND A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE THOUGHT WE COULD AFFORD AND IT WOULD BE SAFE AND WE COULD RAISE OUR BABY THERE.

WE'RE ACTUALLY COMING FROM A DEVELOPMENT THAT LOOKS IDENTICAL TO THE ONE THEY'RE WANTING TO BUILD.

WE LIVE OVER IN THE GRAND SCAPE, THE COLONY AREA.

AND I CAN TELL YOU, WE'VE SEEN I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS.

WE'VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS OVER TIME AND THESE KIND OF DEVELOPMENTS WHEN WE MOVED TO THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX SEEM NICE.

IT SEEMS SAFE EVERY SINGLE MONTH.

THE I THINK THE CRITERIA FOR RESIDENTS TENDS TO BE LESS STRICT.

AND WE'VE SEEN ALL KINDS OF STUFF HAPPEN THERE.

WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF LATE NIGHT PARTIES.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DRAMATIC AND SAY, OH, IT'LL BE BRING CRIME AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

BUT I UNDERSTAND EVERYONE'S CONCERNS.

AND WHEN I FOUND THE HOME, I ENVISIONED, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SEVERAL KIDS HERE.

THIS IS WHERE WE CAN WALK AROUND AND WE CAN GET AWAY FROM THE NOISE OF THE CITY FINALLY.

AND I JUST FEEL LIKE YOU LET SOMETHING LIKE THIS GO UP.

IT KIND OF SETS THE STAGE FOR JUST THE REST OF IT TO GO AWAY.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S PRETTY SCENIC, AND THAT'S REALLY SPECIAL BECAUSE THERE'S NOT MANY PLACES LEFT IN THE DFW THAT ARE LIKE THAT.

SO I WOULD JUST RESPECTFULLY ASK TO CONSIDER MY CONCERNS.

AND I ALSO FELT LIKE WE NEEDED SOME YOUTH REPRESENTATION.

SO IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THERE WERE MANY YOUNG FOLKS.

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SO YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

CONGRATULATIONS, BY THE WAY.

SHOUT OUT THE GIRL. THAT'S.

THAT'S AWESOME. YEAH.

HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND YOU JUST CALL EVERYBODY OLD, BUT THEY STILL LOVE YOU.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

HELLO, I'M NICOLE DOW.

I LIVE AT 2609 CHEVY LANE, CORNER OF CHEVY AND NORTH.

I MOVED IN THIS NEW HOME YEARS AGO TO ABOUT 2010, AND THAT'S WHEN I STARTED WORKING AT UNT.

AND IT AND I LOOKED FOR A LONG TIME AND I WAS LIKE, I MOVED FROM PLANO AND I SAID, I CAN'T FIND SOMETHING THAT IS LIKE ME.

BUT WHEN I FOUND THIS PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION, I JUST FELL IN LOVE WITH IT BECAUSE THE WAY IT WAS BUILT, IT WAS VERY UNIQUE AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND VERY WELL DONE BY THE DEVELOPER AT THAT TIME.

AND SO BUT EVEN WHEN ALL THE NORTH OWNERS OPEN UP AND THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND I WORK FROM HOME AND MY OFFICE IS RIGHT NEXT TO THAT, EVEN WITH THAT TRAFFIC ALONE, IT WAS SO NOISY.

SO I CAN'T IMAGINE HAVING A THREE STOREY BUILDING, YOU KNOW, TOWERING OVER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S GOING TO BE JUST CHAOS TO ME BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE LOTS OF TRAFFIC.

AND AGAIN, I'M NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT, BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE DEVALUED.

OUR HOME, OUR PROPERTIES, OUR LIFESTYLE AND AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

SO I WOULD CONSIDER ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER REALLY OPPOSING THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.

NOTHING PERSONAL AGAINST THEM, BUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THIS COMMUNITY IS REALLY WE VALUE THIS HOME AND THIS EVEN IN DENTON.

AND SO THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL PLACE FOR US TO MAKE THE CAR HOME.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? IF YOU CAN COME NOW AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

AMANDA BROWN 2312 I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE FIRST NAME? HEY. AMANDA BROWN OKAY, GOT IT.

2312 PAXTON WAY.

FIRST THINGS FIRST.

I JUST WANT TO SAY I LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE REALLY DO COME TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY YAY TO THAT.

BUT YES, MY HOME IS ONE OF THE HOMES THAT ALSO HAS THE BACK FENCE THAT FACES THAT FIELD.

THAT 20 FEET BUFFER FOR A THREE STORY COMPLEX IS KIND OF INVADING A PRIVACY.

SO IT'S NOT ONLY AN INVASION OF PRIVACY THAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH, IT'S ALSO THE SECURITY, THE THE NOISE, THE LIGHTS COMING IN THROUGH THE CRACKS OF THE FENCE AT NIGHT.

YOU KNOW, HOW CLOSE ARE THESE CARS GOING TO BE? PARKING? THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH THIS.

AND WE REALLY ARE A TIGHT KNIT COMMUNITY THAT WE REALLY JUST WANT TO STAY A.

IN A COMMUNITY.

WE'RE NOT OPPOSED.

I THINK MOST MOST OF US HERE ARE OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF SOMETHING.

I'M ALL FOR A CHINESE FOOD RESTAURANT PERSONALLY, BUT WHATEVER GOES UP THERE, JUST PLEASE DO NOT MAKE IT THREE STORIES BECAUSE IT'S THE LIVELIHOOD OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BOUGHT HOMES LIKE MYSELF AND MY HUSBAND WERE FIRST TIME BUYERS.

HI, SWEETIE. WE'RE FIRST TIME BUYERS.

TWO, THREE YEARS WE'VE BEEN THERE AND WE LOVE IT.

WE LOVE HOW QUIET IT IS AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.

IT'S OUR IT'S OUR SANCTUARY.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? YES. YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES. MY NAME IS JUAN MARTINEZ.

I LIVE AT 22, 20, 22, 12 PAXSON WAY AND I LIVE WITH MY WIFE THERE.

I'M A FIRST TIME HOMEBUYER.

I NEVER THOUGHT IN MY LIFE I'D BE ABLE TO BUY A HOUSE.

SO BUYING A HOUSE, THERE WAS A HUGE ACHIEVEMENT FOR ME IN MY LIFE, AND I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO LIVE IN THAT AREA.

I MOVED OUT OF MY HOUSE WHEN I WAS 15 YEARS OLD.

I LIED ABOUT MY AGE AND I GOT AN APARTMENT.

SO I LIVED AND DID MY WHOLE LIFE AND I'VE LOVED IT MY WHOLE LIFE.

AND AND THE FACT THAT I WAS ABLE TO BUY A HOUSE IN DITTON IN THAT AREA WAS LIKE JUST A HUGE DREAM COME TRUE FOR ME BECAUSE I NEVER THOUGHT I COULD EVEN ACHIEVE THAT.

AND SO THE FACT THAT AND THE REASON I WANTED TO LIVE THERE WAS BECAUSE OF HOW QUIET IT WAS AND HOW SAFE I KNEW THAT MY WIFE WOULD BE BECAUSE I WORKED AT NIGHT.

AND SO I KNEW THAT SHE COULD LEAVE AND AND BE SAFE AND THAT NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN TO HER BECAUSE I SAW MANY WOMEN WALKING OUTSIDE BY THEMSELVES. AND THAT WAS JUST AMAZING TO ME BECAUSE I JUST DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN TO HER.

AND SO I'VE LIVED IN APARTMENTS MY, YOU KNOW, OUR WHOLE LIFE.

AND I KNOW THAT THE CRIME RATE IS GOING TO GO UP LIKE ANOTHER GENTLEMAN.

I DON'T WANT TO BE DRAMATIC, BUT IT IS GOING TO GO UP.

AND OUR WE ARE GOING TO LOSE OUR PRIVACY.

WE ARE GOING TO LOSE A LOT OF THINGS FOR FOR SOMEONE THAT'S SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR BY JUST GIVING US SOME TREES.

AND I THINK THAT IF YOU RECONSIDER, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD BE HAPPY A LOT.

YOU KNOW, YOU COULD BUILD SOMETHING THERE THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AND ACTUALLY BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

[05:30:01]

BUT TO ME, BUYING THIS HOME MEANT A LOT, AND I KNOW IT MEANT A LOT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE.

AND IF YOU REALLY WERE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, YOU DO A WHOLE LOT MORE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE THERE FOR THEM.

AND YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO SERVE YOUR COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST PUT UP SOME TREES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

YES. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES.

MY NAME IS DONNA MARK.

MY HUSBAND JUST SPOKE A MINUTE AGO.

MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED TO THE BUNGALOWS OF OLD NORTH IN 2009 WHEN THE JOSH MORGAN WORKING CONSTRUCTION WAS BUILDING THEM AND WE HAD A HOUSE IN LANTANA IN ARGYLE AND WE WANTED TO DOWNSIZE.

IT WAS GOING TO BE OUR RETIREMENT HOME.

AND THE REALTOR SAID, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE BUILDING.

AND I SAID, OKAY, OKAY.

SO WE DROVE IN COMMUNITY.

WE ONLY HAD MAYBE TEN HOUSES BUILT AND IMMEDIATELY WE PUT A DOWN PAYMENT.

WE HADN'T EVEN SOLD OUR HOUSE OR, YOU KNOW, GOT A REALTOR TO SELL IT AND LANTANA.

AND WE'VE BEEN THERE A WHILE AND WE'VE SEEN THE HOUSES GO UP.

WE'VE SEEN THE NEIGHBORS MOVE IN.

AND THIS IS A VERY, VERY UNIQUE AND SPECIAL COMMUNITY, VERY UNIQUE.

I SIT EVERY MORNING AND HAVE COFFEE ON MY FRONT PORCH.

EVERY MORNING. NEIGHBORS WALK BY THE DOG, YOU KNOW, DOGS, CATS, EVEN WALKING THEIR CATS.

AND IT'S JUST EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYBODY.

IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY.

AND LIKE EVERYONE HAS SAID, WE KNEW SOMETHING WAS EVENTUALLY GOING TO BE BUILT THERE.

WE KNEW IT. BUT THIS IS SO MASSIVE.

AND I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM DIANA, SO MY HOUSE LITERALLY FACES THE FIELD WHERE THESE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO GO UP.

AND I JUST FROM THE MOMENT I HEARD ABOUT THIS PROJECT, I THOUGHT, WELL, THERE GOES MY COFFEE MORNINGS.

I MEAN, AND ALL THESE BUILDINGS HAVE BALCONIES.

SO I JUST THINK IT'S AN ISSUE OF PRIVACY, SECURITY AND OF COURSE, HOME VALUE.

BUT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF RETIREES IN OUR IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, TOO.

AND WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS HOUSE, WE THOUGHT, THIS IS IT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE.

WE DON'T YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD, GREAT HOUSE.

SO BASICALLY, THAT'S KIND OF ALL I WANT TO SAY.

IT'S JUST A UNIQUE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? IF YOU CAN GIVE YOU A NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES.

HELLO. MY NAME IS CHRISTINE BRAY.

I LIVE AT 1204.

CORDELL 76201.

I RECENTLY MOVED TO A DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOME, SORT OF IN AN INNER SUBURB OF DENTON.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS A RENTAL HOME.

I THINK MOST OF THE HOMES WITHIN THAT AREA ARE KIND OF RENTAL HOMES, SO WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUY.

BUT I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE CONCERNS OF RESIDENTS WITH REGARDS TO TRAFFIC AND NOISE.

NOBODY LIKES TO LIVING NEAR TRAFFIC, NOBODY LIKES HAVING LIGHTS SHINING IN ON THEM AT ALL TIMES.

ONE THING THAT I FOUND SORT OF DISCOURAGING IN THE CONVERSATION WAS THE IDEA THAT APARTMENT DWELLERS ARE NOT NEIGHBORS.

PRIOR TO MOVING INTO THAT DETACHED FAMILY HOME.

I WAS LIVING IN AN APARTMENT OVER IN CEMENT CITY, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT MAGICALLY TRANSFORMED IN ME WHEN I MOVED OUT OF THAT APARTMENT AND INTO A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME WHERE I SUDDENLY BECAME A NEIGHBOR.

WHEREAS PREVIOUSLY I WAS NOT A NEIGHBOR.

AND I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT FRUSTRATION AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS MOVED TO THE CITY.

IT IS.

IT'S A COMMON THEME.

I'VE SEEN A LOT OF ZONING DISCUSSIONS.

I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PLANNING DISCUSSIONS TO THE COUNCIL.

YOU'VE SEEN ME HERE ALL THE TIME.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE A COMMON THEME THAT PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE THE ECONOMIC MEANS TO AFFORD TO PURCHASE A DETACHED HOME ARE OFTEN CONSIDERED AS LESSER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND I FIND THAT VERY FRUSTRATING.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

I CAN GIVE YOU YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES. AND IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE, IF YOU COULD MAKE YOUR WAY DOWN THAT WAY, I CAN HAVE AN ACCOUNTING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.

GO RIGHT AHEAD. SELENA DORSEY 2213 PAXTON WAY.

I WANT TO ADDRESS WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN JUST SAID.

I'M FROM EUROPE, SO I'M USED TO DENSITY LIVING IN APARTMENTS, AND I THINK PEOPLE DO NEED A PLACE TO LIVE.

I WILL STILL I WANT TO MAKE A POINT THAT BY MOVING INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I WAS TRYING TO FIND A SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND QUIETNESS. I THINK WE'RE DEALING WITH A DIFFERENT SCALE HERE.

WE HAVE VERY SMALL HOMES AND AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VERY MASSIVE BUILDING AND WE'RE TALKING 298 APARTMENTS, WHICH PROBABLY

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THAT'S A BIG SURGE OF PEOPLE.

I THINK WE CAN STILL HAVE APARTMENT.

WE JUST DON'T NEED 290 500 PARKING SPOTS.

AGAIN, SENSE OF SCALE COMPARED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S THAT'S.

THAT'S A LOT.

THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES. MY NAME IS JASON YOUNG.

I'M LOOKING HERE BECAUSE I KNOW. I'M SORRY.

MY NAME IS JASON YOUNG.

I LIVE AT 23. 20 PAXTON WAY.

I LIVE ON THE SAME STREET AS SAID MARY JANE.

LIVE BY DIANA.

AND MAMA JANE LIVES LIKE THREE HOUSES FOR ME.

AND NOTICE I DID CALL HER MAMMA JANE.

THAT'S. THAT'S HOW CLOSE WE ARE ON THAT STREET.

IT'S FAMILY. IT'S FRIENDS.

I'M JUST HERE TO SUPPORT.

I WANT YOU GUYS TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THEIR CONCERNS THAT EVERYONE THAT SPOKE EYE MISSING UNITED WAY DANCE PRACTICE WHERE THEY COME, COME, COME SUPPORT AND I MISS DANCE PRACTICE.

SO I'M GOING TO BLAME Y'ALL WHEN I DON'T GET THOSE STEPS.

BUT JUST TAKING CONSIDERATION EVERYONE THAT SPOKE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. I GOT A GOOD JOB.

YEAH. WHEN IS THAT? THAT'S JANUARY.

THAT? NO, THE DANCING WITH THE STARS.

JANUARY 28. JANUARY 28TH.

UNITED WAY. YES.

ALL RIGHT, GOOD. I'LL BE THERE.

GOOD, GOOD. VOTE FOR ME, PLEASE.

OK. I DON'T KNOW.

I'LL ASK YOU LATER.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SEE? NONE. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN YOU'LL GET A IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND HAVE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO.

WHAT'S THE REBUTTAL TIME? I'M SORRY. 2 MINUTES.

IT'S. FOR THE RIGHT FOR THE APPLICANT.

IT'S. I THINK IT'S WRONG.

WELL, LOOK, GIVE US ONE SECOND, OKAY? WELL, WHAT'S THAT? YEAH, GO RIGHT AHEAD AND WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.

BUT BEFORE YOU GO INTO THAT, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR ANY COMMENTS FROM THE DAIS FOR THE FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE THEY GO INTO THEIR REBUTTAL.

CNN. I JUST KIND OF I DO WANT TO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO EVERYTHING YOU HEARD, BUT.

OH, AND LET ME PUT IT INTO THE RECORD.

THERE'S 15 NOTICES THAT DID NOT REQUEST TO SPEAK THAT WERE ALL IN OPPOSITION.

SO SO THAT I CAN HAVE A CLEAR RECORD.

I DO WANT TO HEAR YOU JUST PERSONALLY MY QUESTION ON THE THE JUST YOUR FEELING ON.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU PUT THERE.

THREE STORIES LOOKING IN THE BACK OF SOMEONE'S YARD.

AND I JUST WANT TO HEAR YOUR JUST ORGANIC THOUGHTS ON BUSINESS PRACTICES, WHATEVER THAT IS.

IT MATTERS NOT I JUST WANT TO I WANT YOU TO BE TO SPEAK TO THAT BEFORE YOU USE YOUR TIME ON OTHER STUFF, BECAUSE THAT'S A THAT'S A THAT'S A PRIMARY CONCERN.

NO, I, I HEAR THAT.

AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

MY ORGANIC THOUGHT ON IT IS THAT, YES, I AGREE WITH THE ZONING.

THERE IS A ZERO FOOT SETBACK.

WE'VE IMPOSED THE 20 FOOT SETBACK FOR I BELIEVE IT'S FIRE.

IT'S NOT A FIRE LANE, BUT SOME SORT OF FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENT.

AND WE WENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE INCREASED AMOUNT OF TREES, THE INCREASED CALIBER OF TREE.

AND AFTER PRESENTING THAT TO THEM, WE ADDITIONALLY CAME BACK AND OFFER THE 40 FOOT SETBACK.

AND SO WITH THAT SETBACK, THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE US TO LOSE UNITS.

AND SO THAT'S NOT WITHOUT SACRIFICE ON OUR SIDE.

WE SO THE PRESENTATION SAYS 290 UNITS.

THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED OUT.

THEREFORE, WE PUT THIS SET IN A CONTRACT IN JANUARY.

WE ARE NOW AT 270 UNITS AND BEST CASE SCENARIO, WE PROBABLY LOSE ANOTHER SIX UNITS WITH A 40 FOOT SETBACK, IF NOT 12.

WE HAVE STACKS OF THREE, OBVIOUSLY, SO IT'S PRETTY EASY TO CALCULATE THAT.

SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 264 TO 258 UNITS.

SO. OKAY.

I WOULDN'T DO THAT UNLESS WE WANTED TO HEAR OUT THE NEIGHBORS.

HEAR OUT, YOU GUYS.

SO THAT'S KIND OF MY ORGANIC THOUGHT.

SURE. THANK YOU.

DO YOU FOLLOW ME? OKAY.

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REALLY? YEAH.

GO OK.

SO SO TO WRAP IT UP.

SO THERE'S THEY THE THOSE THAT SPOKE BEFORE GET A REBUTTAL.

NOT EVERYONE HAS TO TAKE THAT ADVANTAGE AND SEEING AS ALMOST NONE.

BUT YOU'RE ENTITLED TO IT.

FULL DISCLOSURE. SO 5 MINUTES FOR THE APPLICANT AND THEN ONE MINUTE FOR EACH ONE PERSON THAT WANTS TO COME BACK UP AND SPEAK AFTERWARDS.

BUT I'M ABSOLUTELY HOLDING YOU TO THE ONE MINUTE, SO AND I'M HOLDING YOU TO THE FIVE.

BUT THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK YOU A QUESTION, THAT QUESTION UPFRONT, BECAUSE THAT THAT WAS THE LEADER IN THE CLUBHOUSE.

YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES. GO RIGHT AHEAD.

OKAY. SO I, I WROTE DOWN A DECENT AMOUNT OF THINGS BOTH IN ALL OF OUR MEETINGS TOGETHER AND HERE TONIGHT.

I JUST MENTIONED THE LOSS IN UNIT COUNT THAT WILL BE AFFECTING US BASED ON THE SETBACK THAT WE HAVE PUT FORTH. AS FAR AS THE SPECIFIC ZONING, THE ZONING, EVERYTHING THAT IS BEING OPPOSED, WHAT SEEMS LIKE IS ALLOWED BY THAT ZONING BY.

RIGHT. ANY OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME IN COULD GO UP TO THE 40 FOOT MARK.

GRANTED, THAT HAPPENS TO BE THE HEIGHT OF A THREE STOREY APARTMENT AS WELL.

AS FAR AS SECURITY GOES, OUR CLASS-A APARTMENTS, THEY ARE WELL LIT.

THE LIGHTS, I BELIEVE, PER DENTON CODE, HAVE TO BE FACING DOWN AND DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS.

SO THEY'RE NOT FACING OUT TOWARDS NEIGHBORING DEVELOPMENT OR NEIGHBORING HOMES.

THE EXISTING APARTMENT THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP A FEW TIMES, THAT APARTMENT IS THERE ARE NO FENCES, THERE ARE NO GATES.

ANYBODY CAN COME AND GO.

THERE'S NO SORT OF SECURITY INVOLVED WITH IT.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I, I WOULDN'T THAT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES IN THE PAST AND I.

I HATE THAT THAT'S THE CASE BECAUSE OUR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, THEY HAVE COMPLETE FENCING AROUND THE OUTSIDE AND THEY HAVE GATES TO GET IN.

THOSE GATES ARE ONLY ACCESSIBLE THROUGH CODE OR SOME TYPE OF KEY FOB THAT WE WOULD USE FOR THE ENTRY SYSTEM.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE THE SUMMARY OF OUR SECURITY AS FAR AS PERIMETER, AS FAR AS ONSITE SECURITY, WE HAVE COURTESY OFFICERS WHO ARE RESIDENTS OF OUR APARTMENTS THAT ARE ABLE TO RESPOND TO ANY TYPE OF COMPLAINT, ANY TYPE OF SITUATION THAT IS GOING ON IN THE HOURS THAT THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY IS NOT THERE.

THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION ARE TYPICALLY 9 A.M.

TO 6 P.M.

AND THEN THE AMENITY AREA IS SHUT DOWN, TYPICALLY AROUND NINE OR 10:00 AT NIGHT.

AND SOMETIMES EVEN WE HAVE GOLF SIMULATORS AND SOME OTHER THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND WE WOULD SHUT THOSE DOWN EVEN EARLIER JUST FOR SAFETY PRECAUTIONS AS WE'VE KIND OF BROUGHT UP ANOTHER THING.

SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TREES AND HOW SOME OF THE TREES WOULD LOSE THEIR LEAVES IN THE FALL.

WE DEFINITELY CAN LOOK INTO EVERGREEN TREES AND TREES THAT WOULDN'T LOSE THEIR LEAVES TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE TWO SITES. AND AS FAR AS THE KIND OF TRAFFIC, I KNOW SOMEONE BROUGHT UP INCREASED TRAFFIC, WHICH YES, THERE WOULD BE AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, BUT WE HAVE DONE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY AND. ANOTHER POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS DRAINAGE AND THAT.

THERE IS CONCERN THAT OUR SITE BEING A LOT OF CONCRETE PARKING LOT WOULD CAUSE AN INCREASED ISSUE WITH DRAINAGE TO NEIGHBORING SITES. WILL.

BASED ON DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO AND OUR ENGINEER COULD PROBABLY SPEAK BETTER TO THIS, BUT WE HAVE TO LEAVE THIS SITE AND I GUESS EQUAL TO OR GREATER CONDITION THAN IT WAS.

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I THINK THOSE WERE SOME OF THE OBVIOUSLY THERE WERE LARGER POINTS THAT WE SPOKE TO EARLIER, BUT SOME OF THE SPECIFIC POINTS THAT SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT GOT UP AND SPOKE HAD, AGAIN, THIS IS A STRAIGHT REZONING OF THE S.C. PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT ABUT THE LAND.

WITH THAT SAID, I DO AND WE DO AS THE DEVELOPER HERE AND HAVE MADE CONCESSIONS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO THAT'S ALL I GOT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US OUT.

I APPRECIATE IT. YES.

SO IF ANYONE WOULD CARE TO SPEAK AGAIN, AGAIN, IF YOU CAN COME DOWN, JUST GIVE YOUR NAME.

WE HAVE YOUR ADDRESS. ONE MINUTE.

YES. SID LINDHOLM AGAIN.

2328 PAXTON WAY.

THE PHOTO AT 4:00 PM.

YEP. IF WE CAN HAVE THE DOCUMENT CAMERA.

BOOM. THERE'S THAT BEAUTIFUL RED TAILED HAWK I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT APARTMENT LIVING.

MY WIFE AND I LIVED IN FRISCO ON 423 IN BRAND NEW APARTMENTS.

BIG BALCONY.

IT OVERLOOKS THAT PARK.

I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT.

WE THEN, IN OUR RETIREMENT, WE SOLD EVERYTHING.

WE SOLD OUR HOME. PRIOR TO THAT, WE SOLD OUR CAR EVERYTHING.

WE MOVE TO THE YUCATAN IN MEXICO.

WE LIVED THERE ALMOST TWO YEARS.

WE HAD HEALTH ISSUES.

WE CAME BACK. MY WIFE FOUND THIS DEVELOPMENT ON THE INTERNET.

SHE FLEW ME BACK UP HERE BECAUSE WE KNEW WE WANTED TO COME BACK AND WE WANTED TO COME BACK TO DENTON BECAUSE IT'S SO COOL.

THERE'S SUCH A NEAT EVERYTHING ABOUT TEN SCHOOL.

WE FOUND WE FOUND THIS PLACE AND IMMEDIATELY FELL IN LOVE.

DID IT. AND THERE GOES APARTMENT LIVING CHANGES.

DON'T FORGET YOUR PHONE.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU.

THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL BIRD. YES.

IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR.

I HAVE A QUESTION OF CLARIFICATION.

POINT OF ORDER. POSSIBLY REBUTTAL IS TO BE IS TO REBUT WHAT THE APPLICANT HAD SAID IN HIS.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY NEW INFORMATION.