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AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING THAT IS DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

[1. Citizen Comments on Consent Agenda Items]

IT IS 2 P.M.

ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER 25TH.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

THE FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM QUESTIONS.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS IS ABOUT CONSENT, J.

THE. THE EXPANDING OF THE LICENSING CODE FOR FOUR ORDINANCES.

FOUR CATALYTIC CONVERTERS.

I BELIEVE THAT'S THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

BUT CHIEF DIXON, I THINK IS HERE SOMEWHERE.

LET ME. YEAH, PROBABLY GIVE HIM A MINUTE.

LET'S GIVE HIM A CHECK. A SECOND.

CHICKEN SECOND.

OH, ARE YOU SCOTT? NO, IT'S CHEEK.

WHILE YOU JUMPED UP, I WAS TRYING.

THAT'S A GOOD TRY. WHY DID YOU COME? THE J. OK.

FRANK. THEY'RE JUST.

I THINK YOU KNOW, JAKE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. COUNCIL FRANK DIXON, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

APPRECIATE IT. MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE AI IS REALLY CLEAR AND USEFUL AND J IS REALLY CLEAR AND USEFUL.

BUT THE THE THING THAT WAS CONCERNING ME IS WHY ARE WE TREATING THE THE PRECIOUS MINERALS IN THE AMALGAM FOR A CATALYTIC CONVERTER DIFFERENT THAN PRECIOUS MINERALS IN GENERAL, LICENSING IN GENERAL? WE'RE NOT. AND PARTICULARLY THE THING THAT'S CONCERNING ME IS, IS THE MANDATE TO DEPOSIT IDENTIFYING INFORMATION INTO THE POLICE DATABASE VERSUS SIMPLY RETAINING THE THE THE INFORMATION LIKE WE WOULD FOR GOLD AND SILVER AND PLATINUM AND OTHER THINGS.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THESE EXTRA STEPS, BASICALLY E YOU KNOW, THE ID AND THE THUMBPRINT.

SO ACTUALLY IT'S ALREADY CODIFIED IN STATE LAW THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO THAT.

WE'RE JUST BRINGING IT DOWN TO A LOCAL LEVEL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REINFORCING IT FOR WHAT THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

AND THAT'S THE ONGOING THEFT OF CATALYTIC CONVERTERS VERY SPECIFICALLY.

AND I THINK WE'RE UP TO ALMOST 300 THAT WE HAVE SUFFERED HERE IN THE CITY JUST THIS YEAR.

AND THAT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY FOR US, AGAIN, AT A LOCAL LEVEL TO REALLY IDENTIFY, TO BE ABLE TO GO AFTER THESE DEALERS THAT ARE DOING IT IN AN UNSCRUPULOUS MANNER AND HOLDING THEM TO ACCOUNT HERE IN OUR CITY.

SO WE HAVE THESE FOLKS GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE TO COMMIT THESE CRIMES AND NOT HERE IN DENTON.

NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THE RECORD KEEPING I GUESS I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IT SEEMS LIKE IF I AND MAYBE THIS IS A MORE OF A LEGAL THING, I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S CLEAR WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFT AND AND THE TWO ORDINANCES I THINK ARE GOOD IN TERMS OF KEEPING THEIR, YOU KNOW, KEEPING RECORDS, MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE IDENTIFYING MARKS, PHOTOGRAPHS, RECORDS, RECEIPTS, ALL THAT SEEMED GOOD.

I THINK THE THE PART IS WE'RE WE'RE COUCHING THIS IN TERMS OF TRYING TO GET AT A SECOND AVENUE OF PRECIOUS METALS.

BUT WE'RE NOT TREATING PRECIOUS METALS CONSISTENTLY.

OR ARE WE? AND I GUESS THAT'S MY CASE.

ARE ARE YOU REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THUMBPRINTS AND AND IDENTIFYING PHOTO PHOTOGRAPHS FOR GOLD AND JEWELRY? AND IF THAT'S THE STATE LAW THEN AND THIS IS THE SAME THEN.

RIGHT. THIS IS STATE LAW BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST PRECIOUS METALS AS IT RELATES TO THEM GOING INTO PAWNSHOPS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THESE ARE GOING INTO PRECIOUS METAL DEALERS, WHICH TYPICALLY ARE AUTO SALVAGE YARDS OR LARGE SCALE METAL FACILITIES THAT ARE TAKING ON CAR PARTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S A DISTINCTION IN IT.

AND LIKE I SAID, IT IS CODIFIED ALREADY IN STATE LAW.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BRING THAT DOWN TO A LOCAL LEVEL.

IF THAT'S ALREADY IN STATE LAW, THEN THEN I GUESS THAT SORT OF HELPS SOLVE MY CONCERNS.

ALL RIGHT. SO COUNCILMAN WATTS HAS A QUESTION, CHIEF, I THINK WELL, I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INQUIRY WAS.

I MEAN, ARE YOU SAYING THAT? I MEAN, I'M ALL FOR IF WE WANT TO TREAT THE PRECIOUS METALS THE SAME BY TAKING THUMBPRINTS AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.

BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE TRYING TO BE ABLE TO INVESTIGATE OR PREVENT OR IDENTIFY POTENTIAL CRIMINALS.

CORRECT. IS THAT IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? CORRECT. WELL, IF IF IT'S INCONSISTENT, I WOULD SAY LET'S LEAN ON THE SIDE OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THOSE PEOPLE, WHETHER IT'S PRECIOUS METALS, CATALYTIC CONVERTERS OR WHATEVER.

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SO IF THAT'S A SEPARATE POLICY THAT NEEDS TO COME FORWARD, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER.

BUT THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM.

WHAT DOES IT COST TO REPLACE A CATALYTIC CONVERTER? RIGHT NOW THEY ARE RISING.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN TOYOTA IS, FOR EXAMPLE, JUST USING TOYOTA AS AN EXAMPLE, CATALYTIC CONVERTER IS TAKEN FROM ONE OF THOSE TRUCKS.

THEY ARE SITTING ON A LOTS NOW BETWEEN SIX AND EIGHT MONTHS AT BEST TO GET THEM REPLACED BECAUSE PART SHORTAGE IS COMING OVER FROM JAPAN.

SO THAT'S JUST ONE.

RIGHT. AND THOSE COSTS CONTINUE TO ESCALATE.

IT'S PASSED ON TO OUR CUSTOMERS, WHICH IS OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY, LIKE I SAID, FOR US TO PROACTIVELY TARGET IT.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. GOOD.

PERTAINING TO YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS TOPIC OR SOMETHING ELSE? WELL, YES, I DO THIS THIS EXACT TOPIC.

QUESTION YES, IT'S THE QUESTION IS.

I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK STAFF IF THEY COULD SEND ME WHERE WE'RE DOING THIS FOR FOR PRECIOUS METALS.

AND MY ONLY CONCERN TO PUT CONTEXT ON THE WHY I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WE'RE NOT A STOP IN SHOW YOUR PAPERS COUNTRY.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY WITHIN THE LINE OF THAT.

THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN.

MCGEE. THANK, MR. MAYOR. CHIEF, SINCE YOU'RE UP THERE WHILE YOU'RE HERE.

I'M SORRY. ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER DIXON.

WHERE HAVE WE SEEN THE MOST CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY? JUST FOR THOSE OF US HERE AND THOSE OF US WATCHING.

SO WE'LL BE AWARE OF THIS.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO PASS ON THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW YOU ALL TO TALK TO CHIEF SHOEMAKER, WHO'S ACTUALLY HERE.

AND SINCE HE HAS NEVER HAD THE PLEASURE OF STANDING UP HERE AT THE PODIUM.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHY NOT NOW? THAT'S TRUE. WHY NOT? I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU TWO TOGETHER.

WE'RE WE'RE A TEAM. YES.

SO WE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THIS TOGETHER.

YES. WELCOME, CHIEF.

THAT'S THE WAY YOU DO IT. YEAH, THAT IS WELL DONE.

HAPPY, HAPPY LATE BOSS'S DAY.

DOUG SHOEMAKER, THE CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE CITY OF DENTON.

SO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. SO WITH REGARD TO YOUR QUESTION AND YOUR QUERY, A LOT OF IT REALLY A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTIAL THEFTS, APARTMENT BUILDINGS, AND THEN SOME OF THEM TAKE PLACE FROM HOTELS AND MOTELS, IT'S EASY TO ESPECIALLY PEOPLE COMING THROUGH.

LIKE I SAY, THEY GET UP AND THEN THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER IS GONE AND IT'S HAPPENING NOT ONLY HERE BUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

SO THIS IS NOT AN UNCOMMON THING THAT TAKES PLACE, BUT CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

SO I JUST ECHO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER DIXON'S COMMENTS.

ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE BACK.

THANK YOU, MR. GREAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCILMAN BURT? ON THIS TOPIC OR SOMETHING ELSE.

OKAY, GREAT. JAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YEAH. SO. SO ARE WE.

WELL, I'M JUST ASKING IF THEY NEEDED TO STAY AT THE PODIUM.

SO IF YOUR QUESTIONS RELATED TO JAY, THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.

IF YOUR QUESTIONS RELATED TO SOMETHING ELSE.

OH, NO, I'M SORRY, JAY.

MY HEAD WAS ON JAY F.

OKAY. THAT'S WHY JAY WAS STUCK IN MY HEAD.

I'M SORRY. OKAY.

I WAS NOTICING THAT THE CITY IS WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS, WHERE THEY'RE CAUGHT ON CAMPUS EVENTS.

AND I, FIRST OF ALL, WANT TO COMMEND THE CITY FOR CONNECTING WITH THE UNIVERSITY.

ON A POSITIVE NOTE, THERE'S SOME TIME TO HAVE SOME POSITIVITY HERE.

AND SO THIS THIS EVENT, THIS HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE AN ANNUAL EVENT OR A REGULAR ROUTINE EVENT FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS.

AND IT'S IN THE AREA OF LAW, WHICH I'M ALWAYS CURIOUS ABOUT.

BUT MY QUESTION WAS, WAS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE ALSO GOING TO CONNECT WITH TEXAS WOMEN'S UNIVERSITY ON THAT SAME PARTICULAR LEVEL? SO JAMI LINDSEY IS HERE FROM THE COURTS AND SHE CAN KIND OF EXPLAIN THIS.

THIS IS, I THINK, HERS AND JUDGE ATKINSON'S IDEA TO DO THIS, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT PUBLIC SERVICE, AND SHE'LL BE ABLE TO FILL YOU IN.

YES. JAMI LINDSEY, I'M THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR.

AND YES, WE ARE GOING TO ALSO WORK WITH TEXAS WOMEN HOUSTON UNIVERSITY.

AND WE TRY TO TRY TO START WITH UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS.

I BELIEVE THEY ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO JUDGE ATKINSON ABOUT IT.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE STARTING.

BUT WE ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO A LOT OF COMMUNITY EVENTS.

SO THIS IS OUR STARTING POINT.

IT'S JUST ANOTHER QUESTION.

REAL QUICK QUESTION. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE A COMMUNITY WIDE EVENT TYPE.

IT'S LIKE AN EVENT OR SOMETHING THAT IS ROUTINE, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN ANYTHING.

SO THIS SPECIFICALLY IS GOING TO BE GEARED TOWARDS STUDENTS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THERE AND OFFER IT TO STUDENTS SPECIFICALLY.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE A PRESENCE KNOWN AND WE DON'T WANT THEM TO FEAR THE COURT.

AND WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO COME AND TAKE CARE OF THEIR CITATIONS.

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TALK WITH US.

MEET JUDGE ATKINSON.

MORE THAN HAPPY FOR YOU TO STEP UP AND SPEAK.

BUT WE WANT THEM TO SEE US DIFFERENTLY, MAYBE THAN THEY WOULD GOING TO THE COURTHOUSE.

AND GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH US AND TAKE CARE OF THEIR CITATIONS.

SO I CAN SAFELY ASSUME THAT THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD GO TO A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

SO WE ARE ALSO GOING TO DO NEIGHBORHOOD EVENTS EVENTUALLY.

WE'RE KIND OF TAKING A STEP AT A TIME.

SURE. IT TAKES SOME ORGANIZING AND A LOT OF EFFORT KIND OF GOES INTO PLANNING THESE EVENTS.

BUT WE ARE EVENTUALLY GOING TO DO SOME NEIGHBORHOOD EVENTS IF YOU HAVE IDEAS.

REACH OUT TO US AND WE'RE HAPPY TO TO SPEAK WITH YOU AND PLAN FUTURE EVENTS.

THAT'LL BE GREAT.

WELL, THANK YOU. YES.

ALL RIGHT, THAT'S IT. GOT IT.

AKIN TO NOT FEAR IN THE COURT.

I WAS JUST CONFIRMING THAT THE MASCOT FOR ARE THE SAME FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND IS FEAR THE TURTLE.

JUST FUN FACT, COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

THANK YOU. I JUST NEED TO PULL THAT ON FOR RECUSAL, PLEASE.

THAT'S F TO CONFIRM, RIGHT? YOU NEED PRESENTATION.

NOPE. JUST FOR RECUSAL.

GOT IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER.

MAGUIRE. JUST NOTING THAT I'LL NEED TO RECUSE ON ITEM F AS WELL, PLEASE.

OK. GOT IT.

ANYONE ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS FOR SETH? VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT. THAT TAKES US TO.

SO FOR THE RECORD, IT'S ONLY ITEM F THAT WAS PULLED FOR AN INDIVIDUAL VOTE AND FOR RECUSALS.

NO, NO PRESENTATION.

THAT TAKES US TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION ITEM AND LET ME GET THERE.

ITEM AYE ID 221830 RECEIVED AT WHOLE DISCUSSION GIVES STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE CITY OF DENTONS 2023 2024 LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM.

[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the City of Denton’s 2023-2024 Legislative Program. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 1 hour]]

THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I AM JENNIFER RANEY, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER, AND I WILL BE PRESENTING ALONGSIDE RYAN ADAMS, OUR CHIEF OF STAFF AND OUR LEGISLATIVE CONSULTANTS AT OUR STATE LEVEL.

JACKSON WALKER, DENISE ROSE AND KATE GOODRICH.

AND THEN AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL WITH RALPH GARBER WITH CAPITOL EDGE.

AND RALPH IS REMOTE, SO WE'LL BRING HIM IN TO PRESENT ON HIS PORTION.

AS A SUMMARY. WHAT WILL WE BE REVIEWING TODAY IS THE FEDERAL ADVOCACY EFFORTS, OUR STATE ADVOCACY EFFORTS, THE UPCOMING 88TH TEXAS LEGISLATIVE SESSION, AND OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. IN SEEKING YOUR DIRECTION ON THE LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM.

YOU'VE PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED THAT IN YOUR FRIDAY REPORT TWO WEEKS AGO, SO YOU'VE GOT A DRAFT VERSION OF THAT ALREADY.

ALL RIGHT. AND ON THAT, I WILL INTRODUCE RALPH.

THANK YOU, JENNIFER. THIS IS RALPH GARBER WITH CAPITAL EDGE.

AND I'M ALSO JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUE, DEBORAH DOHENY.

HOWARD, WHAT I THINK IS ON THE SCREEN AS WELL, SORRY, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO BE THERE IN PERSON.

WE ALWAYS, ALWAYS ENJOY VISITING AND WE WILL BE THERE IN DECEMBER AND ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO TO COMING DENTON AND SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING AND SEEING ALL OF YOU IN PERSON.

SO GOING TO JUST DO A COUPLE OF SLIDES ON THE ON THE FEDERAL ADVOCACY PROGRAM.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

RALPH, JUST A SECOND. THIS IS SARAH AND WELCOME.

JUST WANT TO LET THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE KNOW THAT WHILE HE'S DOING HIS PRESENTATION, YOU WON'T SEE HIS WELL, NOW YOU'LL SEE HIM.

BUT WHEN WE SWITCH TO THE PRESENTATION, YOU'LL ONLY SEE THE PRESENTATION.

BUT HE'S THERE. OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. RESHARE.

THERE WE GO. THANK YOU.

AND SO THE AND THIS IS JUST THE BROADEST OVERVIEW OF OF OF THE CITY'S FEDERAL ADEQUACY PROGRAM.

IT'S PRIMARILY, AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, GRANT FOCUSED AND THAT INVOLVES BOTH AUTHORIZING LEGISLATION AND FUNDING BILLS, THE ANNUAL APPROPRIATIONS BILLS AND THEN OF COURSE THE THE PROBABLY JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THOSE FIRST TWO STEPS IS, IS THE REGULATIONS AND THE GUIDANCE GOVERNING AND GRANT IMPLEMENTATION.

AND I THINK SOME OF YOU MIGHT KNOW THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS WITH THE PASSAGE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE LAW AND THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT IN THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS ARE ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT FOR FEDERAL GRANT FUNDING.

AND OF COURSE, WE'RE ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS FOCUSED ON LEGISLATIVE AND REGULATORY POLICY AS THAT COMES UP.

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SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER THE LEWISVILLE DAM WE WORKED WITH, WITH REPRESENTATIVE BURGESS AND THE REST OF YOUR DELEGATION, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO SECURE MAJOR FEDERAL FUNDING.

I THINK THAT WAS AROUND $90 MILLION FOR REPAIRS TO THE LEWISVILLE DAM.

AND THEN ON THE REGULATORY SIDE, AND THESE ARE JUST TWO EXAMPLES I'M COMING UP WITH WHEN THE WHEN THE BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT PROPOSED MINERAL LEASES AT LAKE LEWISVILLE, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN NATURAL GAS DRILLING ON AND AROUND THE LAKE AND SO WORKED WITH WORK TO TURN THAT BACK. SO.

AND I'M SORRY. I THINK WE'RE ON THE SIZE OF NEW YORK.

I'M SORRY. SO THE FUNDING APPROACH TO FEDERAL ADVOCACY IS A KIND OF A THREE STEP APPROACH.

AS I SAID, THERE'S THERE'S FEDERAL LEGISLATION AND THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE TELL OUR STORY TO TO YOUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION AND HIGHLIGHT HOW THOSE FEDERAL FUNDS WILL IMPACT DENTON AND, OF COURSE, SEEK TO INCREASE FUNDING IN KEY AREAS.

AND ONCE FUNDING IS AVAILABLE, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO WORK WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES AS THEY DEVELOP GUIDANCE AND RULES FOR THOSE THOSE PROGRAMS JUST TO INCREASE DUTTON'S OPPORTUNITY TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THOSE.

IN JUST ONE EXAMPLE IS IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE LAW INCLUDES FUNDING FOR FOR SOME GRID RELIABILITY PROGRAMS. AND EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY PUT OUT AN RFI ASKING ESSENTIALLY, HOW SHOULD WE IMPLEMENT THESE THESE GRID RESILIENCY PROGRAMS THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE LAW FUNDS.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, BECAUSE SO MUCH FEDERAL FUNDING FLOWS TO THE STATE BEFORE IT GETS DOWN TO THE LOCAL LEVEL, IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO ENGAGE WITH THE STATE AGENCIES THAT ARE GOING TO DEVELOP STATE PLANS AND STATE FUNDING ALLOCATIONS FOR THOSE PROGRAMS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE FEDERAL GRANTS ARE, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THERE'S THIS KIND OF FOUR STEP PROCESS AUTHORIZING LEGISLATION.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

AND IT WAS BOTH AN AUTHORIZING BILL AND AN APPROPRIATIONS BILL.

BUT GENERALLY PROGRAMS NEED TO BE AUTHORIZED.

THEN ONCE THEY'RE AUTHORIZED, THERE HAS TO BE APPROPRIATIONS FOR THEM.

FEDERAL AGENCIES DEVELOP GUIDANCE AND REGULATIONS FOR THEM, AND THEN THOSE FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED IN HOW THEY'RE ALLOCATED.

THIS IS IMPORTANT. THERE'S THERE'S DIRECT FORMULA ALLOCATIONS TO THE CITY, AND THAT WOULD BE CDBG HOME.

THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND CONSERVATION BLOCK GRANT ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY SIDE, THE BURN BURN JUSTICE ASSISTANCE GRANT FORMULA GRANT PROGRAM, THERE ARE COMPETITIVE GRANTS, AND BECAUSE OF IJA AND THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, THERE ARE MORE COMPETITIVE GRANTS OVER THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS THAN THEY NORMALLY ARE.

AND THEN THERE'S THE MOST COMMON THERE'S FORMULA ALLOCATIONS TO THE STATES WHICH ARE THEN ALLOCATED TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND AGENCIES OR SOMETIMES MADE AVAILABLE COMPETITIVELY.

THAT'S THE MOST COMMON, AND THAT'S EVEN IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE LAW.

WITH ITS INCREASED FUNDING FOR COMPETITIVE GRANT PROGRAMS, MOST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY IS IS ALLOCATED BY FORMULA TO THE STATES.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO IJ A AND B INFLATION IJ IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE LAW OF THE SOUTH.

CAN I SPEAK JUST A LITTLE BIT LOUDER? OH, YES, I'M SORRY.

IJ AND THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT.

IJ IS THE IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE LAW THAT WAS PASSED LAST YEAR AND THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT IS THE LAW THAT WAS PASSED IN IN AUGUST.

AND I JUST WANT TO STEP BACK AND SAY THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THE LAST TWO OF WHAT I WOULD CALL A PRETTY EXTRAORDINARY PERIOD OF MAJOR LEGISLATION, THE 116 AND 117 CONGRESS.

CONGRESS HAS PASSED LEGISLATION THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN IN.

I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS SINCE SINCE 1995, EVEN IN 2009, WITH THE RECOVERY ACT, THE SCOPE OF THE BILLS THAT THE 116 217 CONGRESS PASSED, IT STARTED WITH THE CARES ACT.

THAT WAS A $2.2 TRILLION BILL.

THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT, THAT WAS 1.9 TRILLION.

AND IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO, THERE ARE OTHER PANDEMIC RELIEF BILLS THAT WERE LARGE.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE LAW AT $1.2 TRILLION BILL, THE CHIPS ACT, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN JULY.

THAT'S A $54.2 BILLION BILL THAT AUTHORIZES ANOTHER $280 BILLION IN SPENDING.

AND THEN THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, WHICH IS $490 BILLION IN TAX CREDITS AND NEW SPENDING.

AND IT'S THE ERA OF BIG LEGISLATION OF THE LAST TWO CONGRESSES, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY IS OVER.

AND REALLY THE FOCUS IN THE NEXT IN THE COMING YEARS IS GOING TO BE ON IMPLEMENTING THOSE LAWS.

SO EJ, THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT AND JOBS ACT AND THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, THEY PROVIDE A MAJOR ONE TIME INFUSION AND AGAIN

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1.2 TRILLION AND $480 BILLION OF FEDERAL FUNDING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

IN GENERAL, THOSE FUNDS WILL FLOW THROUGH STATE AGENCIES, WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS.

IJA INCLUDES ABOUT $28 PER YEAR THROUGH FY 2026, SO THAT'S FIVE YEARS FOR COMPETITIVE SURFACE TRANSPORTATION GRANTS.

THAT'S A BIG INCREASE FROM ABOUT THE $3 BILLION A YEAR THAT DOT HAD FOR COMPETITIVE GRANTS.

PRIOR TO THAT LAW, SOME COMPETITIVE GRANT PROGRAMS FOR THINGS LIKE I MENTIONED, GRID RESILIENCY AND A FEW OTHERS, AND THEN A LOT OF FORMULA FUNDING FOR A WIDE ARRAY OF INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAMS BROADBAND, WATER, SEWER.

AND THEN WITH THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, A WIDE ARRAY OF TAX CREDITS FOR CLEAN ENERGY INVESTMENT, AND MANY OF THOSE ARE DIRECT PAY.

THAT MEANS THAT THAT THOSE ARE THOSE ARE TAX CREDITS THAT ENTITIES WITHOUT TAX LIABILITY, INCLUDING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN CLAIM.

AND AND THERE'S 13 SPECIFIC TAX CREDITS IN THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT THAT ARE DIRECT PAY THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN CLAIM.

AND I THINK THE.

THE SHORT VERSION SUMMARIZING ALL THE 13 OF THOSE TAX CREDITS WOULD TAKE A LONG TIME.

BUT THE SHORT VERSION IS, IS IF THE CITY MAKES A CLEAN ENERGY OR RENEWABLE ENERGY INVESTMENT OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS, CHANCES ARE THERE'S A TAX CREDIT AVAILABLE FOR THAT.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO FEDERAL ADVOCACY PRIORITIES IS YOU DEVELOP YOUR FEDERAL LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM.

I MENTIONED THE ERA OF MAJOR LEGISLATION OVER THE LAST TWO CONGRESSES.

I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT'S OVER.

AND SOME OF THESE PRIORITIES ARE ALWAYS PRIORITIES AND MAINTAIN AND ENHANCE LOCAL AUTHORITY.

THAT'S TRUE AT BOTH THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL.

I THINK FUNDING FOR CORE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS, THAT'S ALWAYS WE ALWAYS SEEK TO MAXIMIZE FUNDING FOR CDBG HOME AND OTHER PROGRAMS THAT COME DIRECTLY TO THE CITY.

ECONOMIC AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT IS ALWAYS A PRIORITY.

TRANSPORTATION, EVEN EVEN THOUGH THE INFRASTRUCTURE LAW WAS THE FIVE YEAR SURFACE TRANSPORTATION REAUTHORIZATION BILL.

TRANSPORTATION IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE, AND THE NEXT CONGRESS WILL BE REAUTHORIZING, FOR EXAMPLE, FEDERAL AVIATION PROGRAMS. SO THE FOCUS THERE WILL BE ENSURING THAT THE NEXT AVIATION LAW TREATS GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS EQUITABLY AND FAIRLY.

AND THEN REALLY, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING OVER THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS, IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE LAW AND IRA IMPLEMENTATION.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. WELL, AND THAT'S AND THAT'S THE LAST SLIDE ON FEDERAL LEGISLATIVE PROGRAMS. I THINK THEY'LL BE TIME FOR Q&A, AND I THINK IT'S AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.

THAT'S CORRECT, MAYOR. IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU THAT WE HOLD ALL QUESTIONS TILL THE END, RIGHT.

WONDERFUL. OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

THEY NEVER. ARE THESE QUESTIONS? WE'RE GOING TO. YOU'RE PULLING UP THE.

I JUST WANT TO SAY HI TO RALPH AND DEBRA.

HADN'T SEEN YOU IN A WHILE. THIS IS CHRIS.

WHAT'S SO GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

HI, COUNCIL MEMBER. HELLO.

ALL RIGHT. AND I WILL INTRODUCE DENISE ROSE AND KATE GOODRICH WITH JACKSON WALKER STATE LEGISLATIVE CONSULTANTS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY AND PRESENT TO YOU.

I'M DENISE ROSE.

I AM A NON PRACTICING ATTORNEY AT JACKSON WALKER AND I AM ABOUT TO START MY 10TH SESSION AT THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE. I STARTED WORKING THERE WHEN I WAS TEN.

HELLO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS KATE GOODRICH.

I'M ORIGINALLY FROM THE NORTH TEXAS AREA.

I'M FROM RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD IN ARLINGTON, SO I'M AN 817 GIRL, BUT I'M HAPPY TO BE UP HERE VISITING YOU ALL TODAY.

I AM A UT UNDERGRAD.

UT LAW STUDENT. SPENT SOME TIME WORKING IN THE SENATE BEFORE DENISE HIRED ME RIGHT BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

SO I WE HAVE DONE A COUPLE OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS, BUT NEVER IN PERSON WITH YOU ALL.

SO IT'S AN HONOR TO SEE THAT YOU'RE ALL THREE DIMENSIONAL HUMAN, FULL FIGURE, FULL BODY FACES.

AND WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL.

JENNIFER, AM I GOING FORWARD ON THIS? JUST QUICK THIS.

OKAY. SO KATE AND MY APPROACH TO STATE AND OUR ADVOCACY IS REALLY PRESENCE AND COMMUNICATION.

AND MY FORMER MENTOR AND COLLEAGUE AT THE FIRM HAS A QUOTE THAT I USE OFTEN.

THAT'S IF YOU'RE NOT AT THE TABLE, YOU'RE ON THE MENU.

AND OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT DIDN'T ALWAYS HAS A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND THAT YOU ARE NOT SURPRISED BY ANYTHING GOING ON IN AUSTIN.

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AND SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN PRACTICE MONITORING, ENGAGING AND COORDINATING WITH YOUR TEAM AND WITH YOU ALL AND WITH YOUR LOCAL DELEGATION? THAT MEANS WE ARE KEEPING EYES AND EARS ON THE GROUND FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN AUSTIN.

THAT MIGHT BE THROUGH CONVERSATIONS, THAT MIGHT BE THROUGH INTERIM HEARINGS OR INTERIM CHARGES THAT ARE HAPPENING NOW.

AND THEN CERTAINLY WHEN SESSION STARTS, IT'S READING BILLS AND COMMUNICATING VERY OFTEN WITH THE TEAM ABOUT WHAT THOSE MEAN WHEN NECESSARY.

IT MEANS ENGAGING WITH THE LOCAL DELEGATION.

YOU HAVE A GREAT GROUP UP HERE, REPRESENTATIVE STUCKEY, SENATOR SPRINGER, A FEW NEW FOLKS WILL BE IN THE MIX THIS SESSION BECAUSE OF THE REDISTRICTING MAPS AND WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE. WE PROVIDE COMMENTS TO THEM BASED ON BILLS THAT WE SEE OUT THERE THAT IMPACT THE CITY THROUGH FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL.

AND SOMETIMES THAT MEANS WE PROVIDE TESTIMONY IN PERSON OR WRITTEN.

SOMETIMES THAT MEANS WE DROP A CARD IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION TO A BILL.

BUT ALL OF THAT IS THROUGH COMMUNICATION WITH THE LOCAL DELEGATION SO THEY KNOW HOW YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT SOMETHING AND THAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING YOUR POSITIONS ACCURATELY AND ADEQUATELY TO THEM.

WE ALSO, FROM TIME TO TIME AND WHEN APPROPRIATE, COORDINATE WITH TML AND OTHER SIMILARLY SITUATED CITIES.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DENTON IS NOT NOT REPRESENTED OR SOMETIMES WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DENTON IS NOT WAY OUT IN FRONT OF SOMETHING, THAT THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES. AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL ARE INSULATED FROM SOME OF THE THINGS GOING ON IN AUSTIN.

AND KATE, SORRY.

WE'RE GOING TO IF THIS IS A LITTLE AWKWARD, WE'RE JUST GOING BACK AND FORTH HERE.

OKAY. SO I KNOW THAT PROBABLY YOU ALL KNOW AS MUCH AS ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE TO GOVERNMENT THAN JUST WHAT'S ON THE FORWARD FACING FRONT.

SO DENISE AND I COVER A LOT OF DIFFERENT FRONTS, BUT TWO OF THEM THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT HERE IN THIS ADVOCACY SESSION IS THE POLICY ASPECT AND THEN THE RULEMAKING ASPECT AND THE RULEMAKING ASPECT. WHAT'S DONE ON THE BACK END IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AND SOMETHING THAT WE SPEND A LOT OF OUR TIME AND ENERGY FOCUSED ON AND MAKING SURE THAT Y'ALL ARE ON AT THE TABLE FOR THAT METAPHORICALLY AS WELL.

ON THE POLICY SIDE.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'VE GOT A BIENNIAL SESSION, LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT'S ABOUT TO APPROACH HERE IN JANUARY.

IT HAPPENS ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS.

AND WE SPEND A LOT OF OUR TIME FROM JANUARY TO MAY, WELL, REALLY FROM NOVEMBER TO MAY, WHEN BILL FILING STARTS IN NOVEMBER, READING EVERY SINGLE BILL THAT GETS FILED, WHICH IS A LARGE FEAT CONSIDERING LAST SESSION THERE WERE ALMOST 10,000 BILLS THAT GOT FILED TOTAL.

OUT OF THOSE, THERE WERE 606,927 WERE HOUSE BUILDS AND SENATE BILLS, MEANING NOT A RESOLUTION.

THEY WERE SUBSTANTIVE BILLS.

AND OF THOSE ALMOST 7000 BILLS, WE TRACKED ALMOST 600 FOR THE CITY OF DENTON.

SO YOU GUYS KNOW, WE KNOW ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT A BILL CAN TOUCH HAS TO DO WITH THE CITY.

WE WERE READING EVERY SINGLE DAY.

AND NOT ONLY WERE WE READING THE BILL, WE'RE READING AMENDMENTS TO THE BILL, WE'RE READING COMMITTEE HEARINGS, WE'RE READING SUBSTITUTES TO THE BILL.

SO THAT TAKES UP A LOT OF OUR ENERGY AND SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY PRIDE OURSELVES ON BEING THOROUGH AND DETAIL ORIENTED AND THINKING ABOUT NOT ONLY THE BILL AS WRITTEN, BUT WHAT ARE THE THE ULTIMATE IMPLICATIONS OF THE BILL WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY BROUGHT FORTH AND SOMETHING THAT YOUR CITY IS HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTING? DENISE MENTIONED. WE ALSO DO WRITTEN AND ORAL TESTIMONY.

WE HAD SEVERAL WRITTEN TESTIMONIES THAT WE SUBMITTED ON BEHALF OF DENTON LAST SESSION.

WE DROPPED CARDS AND SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, AND WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT STRATEGICALLY AND THAT WE DON'T JUST EVERY SINGLE THING THAT DENISE ROSE AND KATE GOODRICH AGREE WITH, THAT WE'RE NOT JUST DROPPING HEARTS THAT WE'RE REALLY WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS HERE IN THE CITY TO SAY, OKAY, WELL, HOW DOES THE CITY REALLY FEEL ABOUT THIS? AND DO WE WANT TO USE A POLITICAL CHIT ON THIS? AND THEN DENISE MENTIONED WORKING, TELLING THE CITY OF DENTON STORY.

WE DO THAT VERY FREQUENTLY.

WE HAVE GREAT PARTNER RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE DELEGATION, BUT WE'RE TELLING THE CITY OF DENTON STORY TO OTHER RELEVANT CITIES SIMILAR TO SIMILARLY SITUATED CITIES, TALKING TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS, MAKING SURE THEY UNDERSTAND HOW THIS AFFECTS A MID-SIZED CITY LIKE DENTON.

SO MOVING OVER TO THE RULEMAKING AND AGENCY SIDE, BEHIND THE SCENES, DENNIS AND I HAVE WORKED ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF DENTON WITH SEVERAL AGENCIES ALREADY SINCE WE STARTED WORKING WITH YOU ALL. WE'VE WORKED WITH THE RAILROAD COMMISSION, THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH, HUMAN SERVICES, THE TEXAS COUNCIL ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.

THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE TYPES OF AGENCIES THAT HAVE POLICIES THAT DIRECTLY AFFECT WHAT YOU ALL DO.

SO WE ALSO WE SUPPORT AND OPPOSE POTENTIAL AGENCY RULES THAT MIGHT BE DAMAGING OR BENEFICIAL.

AND WE WORK WITH THE AGENCIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ANY BARRIERS TO IMPLEMENTATION ARE RESOLVED.

AND DENISE MENTIONED WE COORDINATE WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND OTHER PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS.

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SO FINISHING OUT MY PART HERE, I MENTIONED THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS 140 DAYS OUT OF EVERY TWO YEARS, THE REGULAR SESSION.

THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TOLD TO EXPECT.

MANY OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW THAT LAST SESSION WE BEAT OFF A LOT MORE THAN WE COULD CHEW AS A STATE.

WE HAD THREE SPECIAL SESSIONS IN ADDITION TO THESE 140 DAYS.

SO 330 DAY SPECIAL SESSIONS.

SO EVERYONE'S COMING INTO THIS NEW LEGISLATIVE SESSION FEELING A LITTLE LIKE THEY DIDN'T GET A SUMMER VACATION.

BUT HERE WE ARE.

WE'RE AT IT AGAIN.

THE SESSION WILL THE ELECTION IS NOVEMBER 8TH.

YOU'LL PROBABLY KNOW THAT EARLY VOTING STARTED YESTERDAY.

NOVEMBER 14TH, BILLS CAN BEGIN TO BE PRE FILED.

THAT'S A REALLY GOOD WAY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE WHAT OUR MEMBERS REALLY PRIORITIZING OF SOMETHING.

THEY WANT TO GET OUT IN FRONT. THEY WANT IT TO BE THEIR FIRST BILL FILED.

USUALLY WE CAN KIND OF READ THE TEA LEAVES A LITTLE BIT AT THAT POINT, SEE WHAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THEIR PRIORITY ISSUES THIS SESSION.

THE SESSION BEGAN JANUARY 10TH.

BILL FILING WILL END MARCH TEN.

THAT'S KIND OF WHEN WE'RE REALLY OFF TO THE RACES.

ONCE THE BILL, THEN WE KNOW THE CLOSED UNIVERSE WITH WHICH WE'LL BE WORKING AND WE'RE ABLE TO REALLY FOCUS ON THAT 10,000 BILLS OR WHATEVER IT IS.

AND THEN MAY 29TH, HOPEFULLY, GOD WILLING, SESSION ENDS AND EVERYONE GOES BACK TO THEIR DISTRICTS.

THIS SESSION, WE'RE COMING INTO IT WITH POTENTIALLY EVEN MORE UNCERTAINTY THAN WE HAD THIS TIME TWO YEARS AGO, WHICH AT THAT TIME YOU CAN REMEMBER, IN 2020, WE'RE COMING OFF THE PANDEMIC, COMING OFF THE GEORGE FLOYD SITUATION.

THERE WAS A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY THEN, BUT AT LEAST THEN WE KIND OF KNEW SOME OF THE THINGS PEOPLE WERE GOING TO WANT TO BE TALKING ABOUT.

AND WE GENERALLY KNEW THE CAST OF CHARACTERS WE'D BE WORKING WITH THIS SESSION AND NOT A TOTALLY UNHEARD OF MOVE.

THERE WAS THERE WAS REDISTRICTING THAT HAPPENS ONCE EVERY TEN YEARS.

AND IT'S IT'S NOT UNCOMMON THAT THERE'S A LOT OF TURNOVER AFTER REDISTRICTING.

DISTRICTS MOVE, PEOPLE GET TIRED.

THEY'VE JUST DONE AN EXTRA COUPLE OF MONTHS IN AUSTIN THAT THEY DIDN'T INTEND TO DO.

THEY'VE GOT REAL JOBS THEY'VE GOT TO GO DO.

SO WE'RE HAVING ALMOST 20% OF BOTH CHAMBERS IS TURNING OVER THIS SESSION.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE APPROXIMATELY SIX OUT OF 31 SENATORS.

APPROXIMATELY 30 OUT OF 150 HOUSE MEMBERS WILL BE BRAND NEW OR NEW TO THEIR CHAMBER.

WE ARE HAVING A FEW SENATORS WHO WERE FORMERLY HOUSE MEMBERS COMING OVER, AND THAT WILL LIKELY INCLUDE A NEW REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE CITY OF DENTON, A NEW SENATOR, SENATOR TAN PARKER. SO THAT'S A RELATIONSHIP THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON CULTIVATING.

BUT THIS UNCERTAINTY IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE WORKING WITH.

WE HAVE BIWEEKLY CALLS WITH YOUR TEAM TO KEEP THEM UPDATED ON THINGS.

WE'RE HEARING THINGS THAT ARE MATRICULATING COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE.

SOME THINGS WE CAN MORE OR LESS GUARANTEE THAT WE'LL BE ON, AT LEAST ON THE DOCKET IN SOME WAY.

IT WILL BE SCHOOL SAFETY.

IN THE WAKE OF THE TRAGEDY IN UVALDE, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL SUBCOMMITTEE HEARINGS FORMED TO ADDRESS THAT WE ALWAYS ARE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT I THINK ESPECIALLY THE SESSION, WE TALK ABOUT PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION.

CHAIR OF SENATE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PAUL BETTENCOURT HAS HAD A LOT TO SAY ABOUT PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION.

AND THEN FINALLY, THERE WILL BE A BUDGET SURPLUS THIS YEAR.

IT TURNS OUT THAT HIGHER GAS PRICES AND SALES TAX ARE GOOD FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS.

THE COMPTROLLER IN JULY FORECASTED A 27 BILLION ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO AN ALREADY HIGH ALMOST $150 BILLION STATE COFFER POT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE THIS SESSION. SO WE'RE COMING INTO THE SESSION WITH MORE MONEY THAN WE EVEN THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE, AND WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A LOT.

SO I'M GOING TO TURN OVER DENISE TO FINISH, BUT WE'LL STICK AROUND AT THE END FOR MORE QUESTIONS.

THANKS. JUST A COUPLE MORE THINGS THAT WE THINK ARE GOING TO BE HOT TOPICS THIS COMING SESSION.

ELECTRIC RELIABILITY.

WE ARE LIKELY TO STILL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT, PARTIALLY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME BIG AGENCIES UP FOR SUNSET REVIEW, INCLUDING THE PUC AND ERCOT.

AND THOSE WILL NOT EVEN HAVE A HEARING UNTIL JANUARY.

SO THAT'S STILL TBD.

POTENTIAL CITY RELATED ISSUES THAT WE ARE ENVISIONING BEING TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS SESSION ARE ON THIS SLIDE.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF INTERIM DISCUSSIONS ON PROPERTY TAXES AND APPRAISALS.

THE APPRAISAL PROCESS HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF ATTENTION.

THE EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION ISSUE THAT HAS REALLY BEEN DRIVEN OUT OF THE LOS CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUE IN AUSTIN, BUT WE EXPECT IT TO COME BACK AND BE A TOPIC THIS SESSION.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ANOTHER INTERIM ISSUE THAT'S BEEN WIDELY DISCUSSED IN A NUMBER OF COMMITTEES, MENTAL HEALTH FRAMED AROUND THE UVALDE TRAGEDY. BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THE STATE HAS A LOT OF PLACES THEY NEED TO INVEST IN THAT SPACE.

AND THEN CITY FUNDED ADVOCACY ALWAYS A TOPIC THAT COMES BACK.

AND I WOULD SAY A CAVEAT AROUND ALL OF THIS IS THAT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW ANY DETAILS OF WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO DO TO ADDRESS THESE

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THINGS. THERE'S DISCUSSION AMONGST MEMBERS ABOUT MAYBE WE'LL USE THE SURPLUS FOR PROPERTY TAX RELIEF, BUT AS OF YET, WE'VE NOT SEEN ANY CONCRETE PROPOSALS ON ANY OF THESE THINGS YET.

SO A LOT LEFT TO BE SEEN AND DETERMINE ONCE WE START GETTING BILLS FILED.

AND THEN THE LAST SLIDE THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IS JUST THE STATE ADVOCACY PRIORITIES THAT YOU ALL HAVE AND WILL EVENTUALLY SET.

AND BASICALLY WHAT WE DO IS ALWAYS THROUGH THE LENS OF THESE PRIORITIES.

SO WHEN WE'RE READING AND ASSESSING LEGISLATION, IT IS BASED ON WHAT DOES IT WHERE DOES IT FALL WITHIN THE CITIES ADVOCACY PRIORITY ISSUES, HOW DOES IT LINE UP WITH THESE? AND IF IT DOESN'T MATCH, THEN WE WILL GO TALK TO A MEMBER AND SAY WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS AND HERE'S WHY.

AND. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GIVE US A MOMENT.

OK MAYOR COUNCIL.

RYAN, I'M CHIEF OF STAFF. SORRY.

DID YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD.

DID YOU HAVE. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES JUST TO FINISH IT UP AND I CAN PRESENT THOSE PRETTY QUICKLY.

SO WE HAD A COUPLE OF GOALS OF BRINGING OUR CONSULTANTS HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY, AND THAT WAS REALLY TO GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE FORESEE AS KIND OF THE COMING ISSUES BOTH AT THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL AND WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE.

BUT ALSO WE ARE GOING TO ASK COUNCIL FOR DIRECTION AND ARE SEEKING DIRECTION ON LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS AND THE LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM.

SOME OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR, THIS IS REALLY A STATEMENT OF COUNCIL DIRECTION, A HIGH LEVEL DIRECTION.

IT'S WRITTEN VERY BROADLY AND IT SHOWS THE TYPES OF POLICY, LEGISLATIVE POLICY AT THE STATE OR FEDERAL LEVEL THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT OR OPPOSE.

AND WHAT THIS DOES IS THIS ALLOWS STAFF, AS WE GO ON, WE ADVOCATE, PARTICULARLY AT THE STATE LEVEL, WHERE THINGS CAN MOVE VERY QUICKLY DURING SESSION.

WE FEEL CONFIDENT KNOWING THAT WE CAN ADVOCATE BASED ON COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, HAVING THIS DOCUMENT APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

SO WE DID RECEIVE A COPY OF THIS DOCUMENT IN YOUR BACKUP AND ALSO IN THE ISR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

IT IS PRETTY HIGH LEVEL.

WE DO GIVE A STATEMENT OF PURPOSE, GO THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT POLICY AREAS AND FOCUS AREAS, AND WE DO HAVE A NOTE ON THERE JUST DESCRIBING OUR APPROACH AND WORKING WITH COALITIONS OF CITIES OR LIKE TML OR WITH OTHER PEER CITIES, COLLEAGUES OR REGIONAL PARTNERS.

SO YOU'RE NOT AWAY BEING AN EXAMPLE.

SO WE DO BUILD THAT INTO OUR PROGRAM BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO WE WANT TO SAY WHAT OUR PRIORITIES AND POLICIES ARE, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO DEMONSTRATE TO COUNCIL ON THE PUBLIC HOW WE ACTUALLY ADVOCATE FOR THEM.

NOW I WILL TAKE A QUICK ASIDE.

WE ARE DON'T OFTEN GO AFTER LEGISLATION PROACTIVELY, ALTHOUGH WE ARE CONSIDERING MOVING FORWARD WITH A LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL THIS YEAR.

WE DID NOT IN 2019 AND OR 2021 AND THIS PROPOSAL IS RELATED TO PROPANE SAFETY.

WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY SEEK INTRODUCTION OF LEGISLATION THAT WOULD ALLOW PERMITTING AND INSPECTION OF PROPANE PROPANE FIXTURES BY THE CITY OF DENTON, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO.

THAT IS PERFORMED SOMETIMES BY THE STATE.

BUT WE FEEL THAT IF WE ARE BLESSING ANY STRUCTURE THAT GOES UP IN THE CITY OF DENTON AND WE ARE CERTIFYING THEY CAN BE OCCUPIED, THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO INSPECT EVERY OUNCE OF IT, THE HVAC, THE PLUMBING, AND ALSO THE PROPANE, WHICH WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO.

WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH THIS IDEA WITH A COUPLE OF OTHER PEER CITIES AND TML SOME DELEGATION MEMBERS.

THERE'S INTEREST IN PROCEEDING FORWARD AND MOVING DOWN THAT LINE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME SOME LEGISLATION INTRODUCED.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT IN OUR POLICY, BUT IT IS SUPPORTED BY THE PROGRAM THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU AND IS UP FOR UP FOR ADOPTION NEXT WEEK. AND SO WHEN WE DO HAVE QUESTIONS, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, WE DO HAVE SCOTT MCDONALD HERE TO ANSWER THOSE.

SO DIRECTION IN NEXT STEPS.

YOU DO HAVE THE DRAFT PROGRAM IN FRONT OF YOU THAT LAYS OUT THE POLICY PROPOSALS, POLICY POSITIONS.

IT IS MODIFIED BUT VERY SIMILAR FROM WHAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2021, AND WE ENVISIONED THIS TO GUIDE US OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS, PARTICULARLY IN THE UPCOMING STATE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

SO WE WOULD BRING THIS BACK FOR ADOPTION ON THE FIRST THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO BEGIN OUR ADVOCACY, THE MINUTE BILLS BEGIN TO BE FILED ON NOVEMBER 14TH.

AND IT WOULD BE THE BASIS OF THAT BASIS OF THAT ADVOCACY GOING FORWARD.

AND WE WOULD ALSO, AS WAS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, SHARE IT WITH OUR STATE AND FEDERAL DELEGATION OFFICES.

OUR PEER CITIES ARE REGIONAL PARTNERS SO THAT EVERYONE CAN KNOW WHERE THE CITY OF DENTON STANDS WITH REGARD TO STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATION.

AND THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE IF WE CAN PULL THAT DOWN SO WE CAN SEE RALPH AND DEBORAH AND QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

YES, SIR. COUNCILMAN.

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MAGUIRE AND COUNCILMAN.

WHAT'S. THINKS THIS IS FOR STAFF OR OUR CONSULTANTS.

I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD.

GIVE US ANY CONTEXT AROUND THE CONVERSATION THAT WE MIGHT SEE ABOUT SALES TAX, SALES TAX REVENUE GOING TO THE ORIGIN OF ITEMS SOLD VERSUS THE DESTINATION OF ITEMS SOLD.

WHAT MIGHT MIGHT COME UP THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION? AND DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT THE CITY'S ABILITY TO RAISE REVENUE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE THAT ONE? THAT'S FINE.

WE HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT THAT LATELY.

IT WAS A BIG TOPIC OF DISCUSSION LAST SESSION, BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY.

SO WE CAN GO BACK AND SEE WHAT THE RUMBLINGS ARE, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS A SPECIFIC PROPOSAL THAT WAS OUT THERE.

FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE, WE'VE BEEN FAIRLY CONSISTENT OVER THE PAST YEAR.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR TWO YEARS NOW THAT WE FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO HAVE A NEUTRAL IMPACT TO US.

SO JUST BASED ON WHERE WE ARE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF CITIES WHERE IT HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, BUT WE HAVE NOT ANTICIPATED THE CHANGE TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO US.

THE CONSUMER WATCH.

YEAH. THIS GOES BACK TO THE SPECIFIC POLICY REQUEST ON THE PROPANE ISSUE.

SO RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T WE'RE NOT GIVING THE AUTHORITY BY THE STATE, NUMBER ONE, NOR ANY OF OUR INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODES THAT WE'VE ADOPTED GIVE US THE AUTHORITY EITHER AS A HOME CITY OR AS AN ADOPTER OF AN INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE TO SO SOMEBODY COULD INSTALL A PROPANE TANK ON A RESIDENTIAL.

I'M BUILDING A HOUSE ON A VACANT LOT INSTEAD OF NATURAL GAS.

I WANT TO PUT A PROPANE TANK IN, RUN MY HEAT AND STOVE AND ALL THAT OFF OF A PROPANE TANK.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE CAN EXPECT EVERYTHING IN THAT HOME, THE ELECTRICAL, HVAC, PLUMBING FOUNDATION, EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TYPICALLY INSPECTED, BUT THAT WE CANNOT INSPECT BY LAW? IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

WE CANNOT INSPECT ANY OF THE PROPANE OR PROPANE GAS PIPING THAT GOES INTO THE HOME.

OR IS THE DISTRIBUTION LINE FROM THE TANK IN THE YARD TO THE STRUCTURE? CORRECT? NOTHING.

NOTHING, NOT A THING.

AND SO THE STATE SO THIS IS ASKING THE STATE TO GIVE HOME RULE CITIES THE ABILITY TO CHOOSE TO DO THAT IF THEY WANT TO, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT AFFORDED THAT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.

THE TEXAS RAILROAD COMMISSION HAS ALWAYS REGULATED GAS AND THE PROPANE INDUSTRY HAS BEEN REGULATED.

A RECENT COURT CASE AND AG OPINION.

THEN NOW NEGATES THE ABILITY FOR THE CITY TO LOOK AT THAT, THAT THE PROPANE IS REGULATED BY THE RAILROAD COMMISSION AND THEY HAVE NO INSPECTORS THAT INSPECT FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

THEY MAY LOOK AT COMMERCIAL, BUT IT'S LARGELY GEARED AROUND THE INDUSTRY.

SO THE TRANSPORTATION, THE THE DISTRIBUTION, ETC..

SO YOU'RE SAYING THIS WAS AN AG OPINION THAT SORT OF CLARIFIED THAT? YES. COULD YOU COULD YOU JUST DISTRIBUTE A COPY OF THAT OR DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THAT? BUT SO BUT DOES NOT THE RAILROAD COMMISSION REGULATE NATURAL GAS? THEY REGULATE.

THEY REGULATE BOTH.

THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS THAT THE WAY THAT THE PROPANE, THE RULES FOR PROPANE WITH THE RAILROAD COMMISSION, THEY WERE MODIFIED SLIGHTLY. AND THEN THE INTERPRETATION IS, IS THAT IT'S ALL PIPING RELATED TO PROPANE GAS AND ITS DELIVERY.

GOTCHA. SO THIS HAS COME FORTH BECAUSE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION, SORT OF CLARIFYING THAT ISSUE AND NOW MAKES IT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED EXPRESSLY CORRECT.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS. APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

MR. MAYOR. SO I GUESS, FIRST OFF, TURN RIGHT.

I WANT TO THANK STEPH FOR INDULGING THIS AND PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.

I APPRECIATE YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT IN ADVANCE.

SO I GUESS I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT JUST KIND OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THE PAST SESSION.

WHAT ARE SOME SOME SOME WINS AND LOSSES THAT YOU ALL HAVE HAD ABOUT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL WITH THE PAST SESSION? JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU MEAN WINS AND LOSSES WITH THE CITY OF DENTON? YES. YES, OF COURSE. OKAY.

SO GOING BACK TO Y'ALL CAN JUMP IN IF I FORGET ANYTHING GOING BACK TO LAST YEAR.

YOU KNOW, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, AND THIS IS JUST A BLATANT FACT, IS THAT THAT CITIES RARELY GO DOWN TO AUSTIN AND WIN.

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OUR BEST BET WITH THEM IS TO TO PREVENT DESTRUCTIVE LEGISLATION FROM BEING PASSED.

AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF TIMES, WHETHER IT WAS IN AS BILLS WERE FILED, AS BILLS WERE WORKING THEIR WAY THROUGH COMMITTEE, AS BILLS WERE WORKING THEIR WAY OUT OF COMMITTEE, WHERE WE PARTNERED WITH OUR DELEGATION, PARTNERED WITH OTHERS WITHIN THE LEGISLATURE TO FRANKLY VOICE OUR OPINION OF RAILEY OUR OPINION VOICED THE THE POTENTIAL PROBLEMATIC OUTCOMES OF LEGISLATION.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD HANG ANY ONE POSITIVE OUTCOME SOLELY ON THE CITY OF DENTON.

A LOT OF WHAT WE DO IS IN PARTNERSHIPS WITH OTHER CITIES, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH HTML, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH CITIES WITHIN OUR REGION.

BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF DESTRUCTIVE BILLS THAT CAME UP BACK IN 2021 THAT WOULD HAVE REALLY HAMPERED US RELATED TO FINANCE, RELATED TO, I WOULD SAY, CITY FUNDED LOBBYING BEING ONE OF THEM.

AND THEN SOME OTHER BILLS RELATED TO THERE WAS A COUPLE OF BILLS WHERE WE WERE GETTING LOOPED IN WITH BIGGER CITIES THAT HAD DIFFERENT PROBLEMS THAN WE DID, AND WE WERE ABLE TO WORK AND ADVOCATE AND LOOP OURSELVES OUT OF THOSE, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO FUNDING FOR POLICE.

SO I THINK THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN NECESSARILY TAKE CREDIT FOR ANY ONE THING, BUT I THINK THAT OUR OUR VOICE COMBINED WITH OTHER VOICES IN OTHER CITIES NOW, WE HAVE AN IMPORTANT VOICE, PARTICULARLY WITH OUR DELEGATION.

BUT I THINK THAT OUR VOICE IS TELLING A STORY THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM OTHERS AND ALL THOSE STORIES TOGETHER.

THEY ARE WHAT HELP KEEP DESTRUCTIVE LEGISLATION FROM PASSING.

HELP US MODIFY LEGISLATION THAT'S MORE PALATABLE FOR THE CITY OF DENTON, FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

AND IN THOSE INSTANCES WHERE WE NEED TO SUPPORT A SPECIFIC PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT CAN HELP TELL THAT STORY AND MOVE THAT BILL ALONG, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO, HOPEFULLY WITH THAT PROPANE LEGISLATION THAT WE REFERENCED EARLIER.

SO YOU ALL WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? OKAY. ANOTHER EXAMPLE THAT THAT COMES TO MIND IS THERE WAS A BILL THAT CAME OUT LAST YEAR RELATED TO CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION THAT AS ORIGINALLY DRAFTED, WAS SEVERELY IT DID SEVERELY CURTAIL AND WHAT IF SEVERELY CURTAILED THE WAY THE CITIES CAN USE DEBT TO FUND, FRANKLY, CORE SERVICES, BASIC SERVICES. YOU MAY RECALL IT, BUT THAT BILL DID PASS.

HOWEVER, THAT WAS NOT IN ITS ORIGINALLY DRAFTED FORM.

WE WERE ABLE TO GAIN A LOT OF CONCESSIONS WITH THE AUTHORS OF THAT BILL, WITH THE COMMITTEES WHO HEARD THAT BILL, SO THAT WHEN IT DID PASS, IT WAS NOT NEARLY AS PROBLEMATIC, NOT NEARLY AS RESTRICTIVE AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED.

A LOT OF THINGS, A LOT OF USES WHERE WE USE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION WERE EVERYTHING FROM, SAY, FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND FACILITIES, THINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR SERVICES.

WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO USE THOSE AS WITH AS MUCH FREEDOM AS WE AS WE DID AND WE STILL CURRENTLY DO, AS THAT BILL WAS ORIGINALLY DRAFTED.

SO WE MADE SURE TO TELL THAT STORY ALONG WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER CITIES, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FOLKS WHO DRAFTED THAT BILL AND WHO HEARD THAT BILL IN COMMITTEE KNEW THAT IT NEEDED TO BE MODIFIED BEFORE IT MADE ITS WAY FORWARD.

THAT FEELS LIKE A LONG TIME AGO.

TWO YEARS AGO. IF I MAY SAY SO, IN TERMS OF LEGISLATION YOU'RE TRACKING THAT IS OF BENEFIT TO AND THIS IS JUST A STATE QUESTION, A BENEFIT TO THEN.

WHO WOULD YOU SAY ARE SOME OF THE REPS WHO CARRIED THE MAJORITY OF THAT LEGISLATION? YEAH. THANK YOU.

I THINK IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE TOPIC.

I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER SPECIFIC BILLS THAT WE SUPPORTED LAST SESSION.

IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE LOCAL DELEGATION.

SOMETIMES IT'S FOLKS FROM OTHER CITIES.

THAT'S SPECIFICALLY WHY I ASK THAT QUESTION.

YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN PATTY, THE SESSION WAS HELPFUL, BUT HE'S GONE.

CHRIS PATTY, WHO CHAIRED STATE AFFAIRS LAST SESSION, WAS INCREDIBLY HELPFUL AND LISTENED TO CITIES ON ON ISSUES HE.

MOST OF THINGS THAT TOUCHED THE CITY WENT THROUGH HIS COMMITTEE.

AND SO HE WAS VERY HE WAS A GOOD FILTER AND A GOOD ADVOCATE.

HE WAS A MAYOR IN, I BELIEVE, CENTER.

SO HE'S ALSO KNOWS ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO REPRESENT A CITY.

HOW DO YOU HANDLE ASSUMING THAT YOU REPRESENT MULTIPLE ORGANIZATIONS? I KNOW YOU DO. HOW DO YOU HANDLE ORGANIZATIONS THAT OFTENTIMES HAVE COMPETING INTERESTS? FOR EXAMPLE, LEWISVILLE WANTS X.

DIDN'T DOESN'T WANT X.

BOTH YOUR YOU REPRESENT BOTH.

HOW DO YOU HANDLE SITUATIONS LIKE THAT? WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY ISSUES THAT OVERLAP DIRECTLY IN THAT WAY.

TO BE HONEST, WE REPRESENT JUST THE CITY OF DENTON.

THAT'S OUR ONLY CITY CLIENT.

AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT COMES UP WITH OTHER CLIENTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, WE HAVE AN IMMEDIATE CALL, RYAN AND

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ASK HIM POLICY ABOUT THAT AND JUST TALK THROUGH WHATEVER'S GOING ON.

BUT WE GENERALLY HAVE NOT RUN INTO THAT, TO BE HONEST.

YEAH. AND THEN I JUST HAD ONE MORE FOR THIS.

SO IF I IF I CAN EXPOUND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT SO FAR AND AWAY 99.99% OF THE ISSUES WE WILL SHARE WITH MOST OTHER CITIES, PARTICULARLY THOSE CITIES OUR SIZE, A SMALLER PERCENTAGE.

IF CITY NEEDS SOMETHING, IT TYPICALLY DOESN'T AFFECT IT BENEFITS US OR IT JUST DOESN'T AFFECT US, AFFECT US AT ALL.

AND THOSE RARE OCCASIONS WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE A DIRECT CONFLICT WITH SOMETHING A CITY IS TRYING TO PASS THAT IS USUALLY SOLVABLE BY AN AMENDMENT. AND SO WE REACH OUT TO THAT CITY, TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, WHAT IT IS EXACTLY THAT THEY NEED THROUGH THAT LEGISLATION, AND TRY TO MITIGATE THE THE NEGATIVE OUTCOME FOR THE CITY OF DENTON.

AND TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU, AND I'M NOT I CAN'T REMEMBER IN THIS CITY WHEN I WORKED WITH DENTON AND OTHER CITIES I'VE WORKED AT WHERE WE'VE EVER HAD A PROBLEM THAT WE COULD NOT SOLVE. AND IT CAME DOWN TO A CITY BEING AGAINST ANOTHER CITY AT THE STATE HOUSE.

SO MOST OF THOSE PROBLEMS CAN BE SOLVED THROUGH THROUGH AN AMENDMENT TO WHATEVER THEY'RE TRYING TO PASS.

ONE LAST QUESTION FOR THE STATE AND THEN ONE FOR FEDERAL.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO.

AS A AS A CITY COUNCIL, PARTICULARLY AS A NEW COUNCILOR AFTER THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS OVER.

HOW DO I EVALUATE YOU? FAIR POINT. AND I KNOW THAT'S TOUGH.

I'M SURE YOU DON'T GET ASKED THAT QUESTION OFTEN, BUT HOW HOW ARE WE ABLE TO TRACK? I THINK THAT I WOULD LOOK AT WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES WERE FOR THE SESSION AND THEN SEE WHAT LEGISLATION WAS FILED AND IF IT FAILED OR PASSED.

IF WE WERE ERRANT IN INFORMING YOU ABOUT SOMETHING, IF WE MISSED SOMETHING, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, A BIG MISSTEP.

BUT I THINK SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO EVALUATE EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE DONE, FRANKLY.

BUT. I GUESS I WOULD HOPE TO BE GRADED ON OUR COMMUNICATION ABILITY.

I WOULD LOVE IT IF MAYBE AT THE END YOU COULD SEE THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE THOUSANDS OF EMAILS AT 2 A.M.

THAT RYAN ADAMS AND US HAVE EXCHANGED.

HOPEFULLY AT THE END OF THE SESSION THAT THE PARTNERS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE WAS NEVER A BILL THAT CAME UP THAT SURPRISED YOU, THAT BIT YOU FROM BEHIND THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW WAS COMING, AND THAT IF THE BILL WAS GOING TO BE WAS SOMETHING WAS GOING TO HURT YOU, THAT YOU WERE INFORMED AS TO THE IMPLICATIONS THAT YOU.

BECAUSE TO BE HONEST, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD CONTROL AND WE WOULD DO DIFFERENTLY IF WE COULD.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE NOT ALWAYS THE DECIDING VOTES HERE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE EVERY SINGLE STEP OF THE WAY AND THAT NOTHING EVER COMES UP AND SURPRISES YOU IN A POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE WAY.

I THINK THAT'S THE CRITERIA I WOULD HOPE TO BE EVALUATED ON.

THANK YOU. AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, ONE QUESTION FOR RALPH.

SURE. YEAH. GO AHEAD. HI, RALPH.

I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU ABOUT ABOUT SNAP.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE A LOT OF MEMBERS IN THE CITY OF A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE CITY OF DENTON WHO ARE ON SNAP.

YET WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE STILL MANY MORE FOLKS WHO ARE ELIGIBLE FOR SNAP THAT DO NOT KNOW THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR SNAP.

SO WANT TO MAKE SURE SNAP IS SOMETHING THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE PROTECTED GOING FORWARD.

SO CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT PLACE FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL? SURE. AND SNAP BIG PICTURE IS IS AN ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM.

SO SO THAT MEANS IF YOU'RE ELIGIBLE, IF YOU MEET THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA, THEN THEN YOU CAN RECEIVE THAT BENEFIT.

BUT IT IS ALSO IT'S A STATE ADMINISTERED PROGRAM.

AND SO SO REALLY, IT'S UP TO THE STATES TO TO CRAFT THEIR SNAP PROGRAM AND TO PUT OUT THE APPLICATIONS AND TO MAKE THOSE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO ELIGIBLE HOUSEHOLDS.

AND IN IN SOME STATES, DO A BETTER JOB OF THAT THAN OTHERS.

SOME STATES HAVE VERY ROBUST PROGRAMS WHERE THEY TRY TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE ELIGIBLE AS POSSIBLE TO SIGN UP FOR A SNAP.

OTHER STATES AREN'T QUITE AS ACTIVE ON THAT.

SO SO IT IS REALLY UP TO THE STATES TO DO OUTREACH.

I THINK A ROLE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN PLAY IS IS TO FILL ANY GAP THAT'S LEFT THERE BY THE STATE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ELIGIBLE HOUSEHOLDS DO RECEIVE THOSE BENEFITS.

FRIEND. AND JUST IN, I WANT TO SAY JULY, DURING THE PANDEMIC, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ESSENTIALLY.

ISSUED A LOT OF WAIVERS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR AND TO RECEIVE SNAP BENEFITS.

AND THOSE HAVE BEEN EXTENDED ALONG WITH WITH SCHOOL BASED NUTRITION PROGRAMS. SO THOSE WERE EXTENDED IN THE SUMMER FOR, I THINK, ANOTHER YEAR.

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I THINK BIG PICTURE, I DON'T THINK EVEN IF THERE IS A PERIOD OF BUDGETARY BUDGET CUTS IN FEDERAL AUSTERITY, I THINK SNAP WILL GENERALLY BE BE IN GOOD SHAPE IN TERMS OF FEDERAL FUNDING.

OK THANK YOU. I LIKE CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION TO OUR STATE PARTNERS? I'M SORRY. YEAH, GO AHEAD.

OK, I PROMISE. IT'S THE LAST ONE.

THANK YOU, KATE AND DENISE, I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT.

ABOUT DMAE.

I HAVE ALREADY HEARD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT.

ABOUT COMPETITION BEING OPENED UP.

SO CAN YOU SAY ANYTHING? HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT ABOUT ABOUT COMPETITION AND FOLKS COMING, OTHER ENTITIES COMING IN HERE AND BEING ABLE TO COMPETE DIRECTLY WITH CUSTOMERS FROM WITHIN THE CITY? OK.

I'M JUST INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, PROTECTING.

OUR RATEPAYERS IN DMAE DEFINITELY.

AND THIS MAY BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR TONY WHO'S WHO'S PLUGGED IN WITH SOME OF OUR STATE ASSOCIATIONS.

THANK YOU, TONY.

THE DAMAGE GENERAL MANAGER, OBVIOUSLY.

SO STATE LAW DOES ALLOW FOR MLAS TO OPT IN INTO COMPETITION.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT HASN'T BEEN SOMETHING THAT I'VE HEARD, CERTAINLY NOT SINCE WINTER STORM.

URI TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I THINK THAT OUR PERFORMANCE DURING WINTER STORM URI, AS OUR CUSTOMERS STARTED TO SEE WHAT OTHERS WERE EXPERIENCING ACROSS THE STATE, THAT THAT I'VE NOT RECEIVED A SINGLE PHONE CALL SINCE THAT TIME FROM CUSTOMERS ASKING, WHY CAN'T I CHOOSE OUR OWN PROVIDER? I THINK THE OTHER THE OTHER BENEFIT HAS BEEN THAT, AS YOU VERY WELL KNOW, THE COST OF ELECTRICITY FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS HAS GROWN EXPONENTIALLY, IN SOME CASES EVEN DOUBLED. WE'RE SEEING CUSTOMERS OUT THERE PAYING 17 $0.20 PER KILOWATT HOUR.

OUR RESIDENTIAL RATE IS STILL AT ABOUT TEN AND A HALF CENTS.

AND SO WE'RE ONE OF THE LOWEST PROVIDERS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, EVEN WHEN COMPARED TO TO THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY.

AND SO I'M NOT HEARING THAT.

I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT IN A WHILE, BUT CERTAINLY THAT IS AN OPTION.

THERE IS A PROCESS THAT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH AS A CITY.

IF THERE WAS A PETITION FOR THAT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AN ELECTION FOR THAT TO FOR US TO BE ABLE TO OPT IN INTO COMPETITION.

BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M HEARING EITHER LOCALLY OR EVEN AT THE STATE LEVEL.

BUT IT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION IN STATE LAW.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MARY JO. WE HAVE 15 MINUTES AND WE'VE GOTTEN THREE QUESTIONS IN.

COUNCILMAN WATTS? YEAH.

ON THAT LAST QUESTION, I THOUGHT THE THRUST OF THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT PEOPLE COMING IN TO COMPETE AGAINST.

THAT CANNOT OCCUR UNILATERALLY.

THAT HAS TO BE SOMETHING, AS WAS MENTIONED, THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE TO VOTE.

I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS TO OPT IN TO, QUOTE UNQUOTE, DEREGULATION.

SO AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT DOING THAT UNLESS THERE'S THE AREAS WHERE THERE'S THE MULTIPLE SEASONS LIKE THAT ARE OUT IN SOME OF THE OUTLYING PARTS OF THE OF THE CITY, LIKE ROBES AND RANCH AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS WHERE THERE IS A MULTIPLE.

CN SO THERE IS AN OPTION.

BUT OVERALL, MOST OF THE CITY HAS NOT IS NOT OPTED INTO THAT BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED BY THE VOTERS OR THAT PROCESS THAT YOU SPOKE OF.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE CITY SERVICE TERRITORY IS SINGLE, CERTIFIED, RIGHT? WE HAVE DUAL AND TRIPLE CERTIFIED AREAS WHERE WE'RE COMPETING FOR DEVELOPMENT, NOT FOR CUSTOMERS, FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE UPFRONT PROCESS WITH CO SERVE WITH ONCOR AS WELL.

WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT WE'VE HAD A PRETTY GOOD TRACK RECORD OVER THE YEARS AND CONTINUE TO HAVE A GOOD TRACK RECORD OF WINNING THOSE DEVELOPMENTS AND BRINGING THEM ON INTO THE DMN SYSTEM.

WHAT THAT DOES IS EXPANDS THE BASE OF CUSTOMERS THAT WE HAVE.

SO WE HAVE A MUCH BROADER BASE WHERE WE CAN SPREAD OUT MORE OF OUR FIXED EXPENSES TO FAR MORE CUSTOMERS, AND THAT HELPS BE ABLE TO HELP US BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR RATES WHERE THEY ARE.

BUT AS AN EXAMPLE, HUNTER AND COLE RANCH WAS A DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD BE SERVED BY DMG AND CO SERVE, AND THE DEVELOPER CHOSE DMG TO SERVE THAT.

SO WE'LL BE SERVING THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.

ANYONE ELSE. MAYOR PRO TEM.

I THINK, MR. MAYOR. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS BECAUSE WE HADN'T HAD A DISCUSSION LIKE THIS IN THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.

SO THAT'S THAT'S REALLY GREAT.

I'M LEARNING A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND SO IN THE INTEREST OF SORT OF THAT, THAT EDUCATIONAL PROCESS, SO SO FOR EITHER OF OUR ANY OF OUR DELEGATIONS WHO ARE SORT OF THE OTHER CUSTOMERS THAT YOU'RE SERVING, IF WE'RE THE ONLY MUNICIPAL BODY THAT YOU'RE SERVING AND IF YOU SAY TYPE OR INDIVIDUALS IF YOU WANT TO, HOWEVER THAT WORKS CAN.

GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD.

I DON'T ANSWER FOR YOU. WE REPRESENT A NUMBER OF CLIENTS, MOSTLY IN THE HEALTH CARE SPACE.

WE WORK ON DIFFERENT GOT A FEW NONPROFITS THAT WE REPRESENT.

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THE TEXAS COUNCIL ON FAMILY VIOLENCE.

WE REPRESENT AN AGGREGATE ENTITY, TEXAS CRUSH STONE.

WE REPRESENT ANIMAL GROUP, BEST FRIENDS, ANIMAL SOCIETY.

SO REALLY A RANGE OF DIFFERENT TOPICS THAT WE WORK ON.

WE ARE JILL'S OF ALL TRADE MASTERS OF NONE.

NO, THAT HELPS ME.

AND I WAS JUST SORT OF CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, WITH YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF GETTING BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT COUNCILOR MCGEE WAS ASKING, LIKE, HOW DO WE EVALUATE US? IS THERE YOU KNOW, CAN YOU GIVE US A FEEL FOR SORT OF WHAT PERCENT OF TIME YOU'RE YOU'RE FOCUSING ON THOSE ISSUES THAT WE PUT FORWARD AS PRIORITIES? AND THEN LIKE SORT OF AS A COROLLARY TO THAT, DO YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, SORT OF BOILERPLATE THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING WITH RYAN OF SORT OF YOUR SUCCESS STORIES AND THAT WE COULD REFER TO? I THINK WE PUT TOGETHER A REPORT AT THE END OF SESSION THAT TALKED ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WE DID.

WE CAN PROBABLY PUT THAT BACK OUT AND JUST THE NUMBER OF BILLS WE TRACKED, HOW MANY PASSED, WHAT THEY IMPACTED, ALL THE DIFFERENT SUBJECT MATTER AREAS.

AND I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION? SORT OF THE PERCENT, YOU KNOW, TIME THAT YOU'RE HITTING ISSUES THAT WE PUT FORWARD AS OUR PRIORITIES.

I, I WOULD.

I MEAN, SO OUR HOURS SO WE DO WE TRACK OUR HOURS FOR THE CITY.

AND THEN ALSO, I MEAN, I WOULD SORT OF COMPARE THIS TO LIKE A FIREFIGHTER WHERE WE'RE SORT OF PUTTING OUT VARIOUS FIRES MULTIPLE AT THE SAME TIME SOMETIMES.

BUT OUR ATTENTION, I MEAN, THE CITY WE MENTIONED EARLIER HAD SO MANY DIFFERENT ISSUES.

I WOULD SAY PROPORTIONATELY, IT'S SAFE TO SAY YOU GUYS GOT YOUR MONEY'S WORTH.

LAST SESSION ON TIME SPENT WATCHING THE FLOOR, THE SENATE HEARINGS, READING THE BILLS THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE CITY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO QUANTIFY IT, BUT WE DO TRACK OUR HOURS.

NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THEN THE LAST THING IN TERMS OF THE PRIORITIES THAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT FORWARD TO YOU, I THINK JUST FOR ME IN SPEAKING WITH ME, ME PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT ONE ABOUT THE MENTAL HEALTH WILL. OBVIOUSLY, YOU NEED TO HEAR FROM THE BODY AND THE CONSENSUS OF US, BUT THAT THAT WILL CAUSE SO MUCH DIVERSION FROM OTHER RESOURCES THAT WE'D HAVE TO SPEND POLICE AND AND OTHER THINGS.

IF YOU KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE A PARTICULARLY, I THINK, NOT LUCRATIVE BECAUSE THAT SOUNDS TOO CRASS, BUT BUT EFFICIENT USE OF OF OUR PRIORITIES.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER. HELLO.

HELLO. I WAS LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL CITY RELATED ISSUES, AND RIGHT NOW THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY SIMPLE MINDED THINKING ARE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUES ALONG WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

AND I BELIEVE I'VE KIND OF FIGURED OUT IN MY HEAD THE CITY FUNDED ADVOCACY.

SO ALL THAT CONNECTION.

BUT I WANTED YOU ALL TO I WANTED YOU ALL TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MENTAL HEALTH PORTION, IF YOU ALL COULD BE REALLY MINDFUL OF THAT, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT IS HAVING LAW ENFORCEMENT AND TEACHERS ARE HAVING TO. BABYSIT PEOPLE.

I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S SO UNPROFESSIONAL TO SAY THAT, BUT WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

IN. HOW DOES IT RELATE TO WHEN SOMEONE COMMITS A CRIME AND WE FIND THAT THEY HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS GOTTEN ITSELF INTO TROUBLE BASED ON HOW THEY RESPOND TO SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

WOULD YOU ALL TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AND HAVE YOU HEARD OF OR, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING SIMPLE THAT'S KIND OF GOING TOWARDS THAT AREA BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE MENTAL HEALTH SITUATION IS REALLY TURNING ALL OF US UPSIDE DOWN.

AND I BELIEVE A LOT OF IT ARE UNHOUSED GROUPS OF PEOPLE ARE FACING THAT AND PEOPLE THAT COMMIT CERTAIN TYPES OF CRIME, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE ATTENTION.

WHAT WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON? WHAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING DOWN THERE TO STAY WITH THAT? WELL, I THINK IN THE WAKE OF YOU EVOLVED, A LOT OF ATTENTION WAS FOCUSED ON WHERE THE STATE COULD BE DOING A BETTER JOB, ALLOCATING RESOURCES.

IT'S A LOT OF IT HAS REALLY BEEN ABOUT FUNDING AND ARE THERE PLACES THEY SHOULD BE INVESTING UP FRONT? WHAT ARE OUR RESOURCES ON THE BACK END AS FAR AS CAPACITY? LAST SESSION THEY APPROPRIATED FUNDING FOR A NEW DALLAS STATE HOSPITAL, FOR EXAMPLE.

BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THERE'S NOT A REAL DEFINED CONSENSUS ON WHAT EACH CHAMBER IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AS THEIR PRIORITY IN THAT

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SPACE. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST BEEN A LOT OF TESTIMONY OVER THE INTERIM ABOUT WHERE WE HAVE GAPS TO FILL, WHERE WHETHER THAT'S IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, WHETHER THAT'S IN THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.

I MEAN, THE WORKFORCE SHORTAGE HAS BEEN A MAJOR TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.

AND PART OF THAT IS WE DON'T HAVE THE MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES IN A LOT OF PLACES IN TEXAS.

SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? AND SO I WISH I COULD GIVE YOU A BETTER ANSWER ON THAT RIGHT NOW, TO BE HONEST.

BUT THERE WILL BE, I THINK, A LOT OF DISCUSSION THIS SESSION IN AUSTIN WITH THIS LEVEL OF A SURPLUS ABOUT WHERE THE BEST INVESTMENTS SHOULD BE MADE.

AND THERE WILL BE A LOT OF TALK ABOUT PREVENTION VERSUS BACK END RECIDIVISM VERSUS TREATMENT UPFRONT.

AND AS YOU ALL DEAL WITH MANY ISSUES HERE, YOU KNOW THAT THEY ALL HAVE AN INTERPLAY.

SO IT'S IT'S A COMPLICATED, TANGLED WEB THAT WE WILL BE ASKING FOR YOUR INPUT ON, I SUSPECT, A LOT.

YES. WE'RE JUST YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GRAPPLING WITH THE THE JUST THE GROWTH ITSELF.

AND WE'RE NOT ONLY ATTRACTING THE LUXURY PEOPLE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE JUST GOT A WHOLE NOTHER SEGMENT OF POPULATION OUT THERE.

AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT FOR US, YOU KNOW, OUR LITTLE TOWN, LIKE WE'RE BEING INVADED ALMOST, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE? YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, WHO ARE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE? AND THEN HAVING TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THE PLACE TO BE FOR EVERYONE.

SO I DON'T KNOW, DO I? DO I HAVE THE PERMISSION TO HAVE YOU ALL PUT A BUG IN THEIR EAR THAT IT'S TIME FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, BE ON THE FRONT END OF ALL OF THAT.

WE'RE EXPERIENCING THAT.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING VERY QUICKLY, MR. MAYOR, I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD ON TALK A LOT ABOUT THIS ONE, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SITUATION.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL GRAPPLING WITH THAT.

AND I DO BELIEVE THAT OUR CITY IS DOING THE VERY BEST JOB THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOUSING YOU KNOW, HOUSING CAN FIT EVERYONE. BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, AT A STATE LEGISLATIVE LEVEL, YOU KNOW, JUST ALSO PUT THIS IN THEIR EAR TO THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THIS OR NOT, BUT WHENEVER WE HAVE DEVELOPERS, HOUSING DEVELOPERS TO COME IN TO, I DON'T KNOW, CODIFY SOMETHING IN REGARDS TO HAVING THEM TO AT LEAST MAKE CERTAIN SEGMENTS AFFORDABLE IN A SENSE, LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A A LARGE WHATEVER THAT A CERTAIN POPULATION OF THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE AFFORDABLE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE A MOST LUXURIOUS PLACE TO LIVE. MAYBE THERE'S SOME WAY IN THERE THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, AS A CITY SAY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE YOUR DEVELOPMENT HERE, WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO.

RELIEVE SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME OPPORTUNITIES.

YOU GOT A $500,000 HOUSE OR A $700,000 HOUSE, MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE A COUPLE OF 300,000 HOUSES IN THE MIX.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? TO GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN A SPACE.

AND THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE FOR A CLOSE UP? OK. COUNCIL MEMBER.

MAGUIRE. THANKS SO MUCH.

SO I THINK THAT THE KIND OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND HUMAN SERVICES SECTION OF OF THE KIND OF FOUR PAGER THAT YOU SENT US IS A GOOD SUMMARY OF WHAT A LOT OF US HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

THERE I THINK WAS A COPY AND PASTE ERROR.

MAYBE IN THE VERSION THAT I WAS LOOKING AT, I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF MAYBE I COULD PULL UP A DIFFERENT VERSION.

CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION SECTION OF THAT SAID AND WHAT WHAT IS INCLUDED OR WHAT WE COULD INCLUDE REGARDING ROADWAY SAFETY? NOT ADVISED.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT AREA.

SO THIS IS UNDER THE MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION PORTION OR IT WAS UNDER THE COMMUNITY.

YEAH. SO IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION, THE VERSION THAT I'M LOOKING AT IS IT LOOKS LIKE A COPY AND PASTE ERROR BECAUSE IT'S IDENTICAL TO THE TEXT THAT'S IN THE UTILITIES.

SECTION. WE MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT ONE.

I CAN MAKE SURE I GET YOU A COPY OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

BUT YOU DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT SAFETY.

YEAH. YES, I JUST.

I MEAN, IF THERE'S ALREADY SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT SAFETY, THEN MY QUESTIONS MOOT, SO WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT.

AND IF.

MOBILITY, SAFETY, TRANSPORTATION SAFETY IS NOT WE CAN BEEF THAT LANGUAGE UP TO MAKE SURE IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF ANY LEGISLATION THAT PROMOTES OR ENHANCES OUR

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ABILITY TO PROMOTE TRANSPORTATION SAFETY.

OKAY. I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M NOT ABLE TO DO THAT.

THAT'S SO STRANGE. OKAY.

YEAH. THE VERSION THAT SORRY, THE VERSION THAT WE GOT IN OUR BACKUPS DOESN'T INCLUDE ANYTHING ABOUT MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET OUT THE UPDATED VERSION.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN MCGEE. MY BAD.

I'M SORRY. JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

SO WHEN I KNOW THAT THEY KEEP IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH YOU, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DISTRIBUTE THAT INFORMATION TO US DURING THE SESSIONS THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN THE PUT SOME STUFF IN THE FRIDAY REPORT. I ASSUME THAT'S GENERALLY HOW WE DO.

YOU KNOW, WE TRY NOT TO TO.

WE TRY TO GET IMPORTANT THINGS TO YOU AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, BUT WE'RE ALWAYS HAVE SOME SORT OF GENERAL UPDATE EITHER EVERY WEEK OR EVERY OTHER WEEK WITH JUST THE KEY BILLS.

THINGS MOVE A LITTLE BIT SLOWER AT THE BEGINNING, BUT THEN IT REALLY HEATS UP TOWARD THE END.

SO YOU CAN PROBABLY EXPECT A LITTLE BIT MORE COMMUNICATION WISE TOWARD THE END OF SESSION AS BILLS MOVE FAST.

AND WE NEED TO KEEP THE COUNSEL UP TO SPEED.

THANK, MR. MAYOR. YEAH. SO I'LL JUST SHOTGUN THESE THINGS.

WE HAVE ONE MINUTE. SO JUST.

I MEAN, I JUST.

I JUST FOLLOW UP WITH ME VIA EMAIL.

ONE, I'VE SENT IT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S STATE ISSUE.

SEND IT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S, AND I'M TALKING TO OTHER MAYORS.

BUT, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, IF YOU COULD BRING THEM UP TO SPEED ON THE WHISTLEBLOWER ACT AND THAT ISSUE I HAVE THERE, AND YOU'VE SEEN KIND OF THE CORRESPONDENCE BACK AND FORTH.

SO THEY'LL HAVE SOME DETAIL AND KIND OF HE CAN HE CAN BRING YOU UP TO SPEED ON THAT QUESTION, BUT WANT TO SEE IF I CAN GAIN SOME TRACTION.

I'VE TALKED TO SENATOR SPRINGER'S OFFICE AND DR.

STUCK HIS OFFICE. I'VE SENT THEM THE SAME EMAILS.

SO WORKING ON THAT TO TRY TO GET GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM AND OTHER MAYORS.

SO WORKING ON THAT PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION, OBVIOUSLY, AS SOON AS THAT TAKES FORM, I'D LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT KIND OF AS THAT'S SHAPING SO THAT WE CAN MESSAGE TO THE THE TO THE COMMUNITY AND TAKE YOUR NOTE THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE YET.

ALSO AT THE STATE LEVEL HOTEL TAX THAT CAME UP TO TELL IN THE LAST SESSION DIDN'T MAKE IT.

I DON'T EXPECT THAT TO NOT MAKE IT THIS TIME.

SO I NEED TO MESSAGE TO OUR HOTELIERS EARLY AND OFTEN.

SO PLEASE SEND ME THOSE NOTES OR SEND THAT SEND OUT THOSE NOTES AS SOON AS THAT STARTS TO TAKE SHAPE OR THAT REQUEST FOR FOR THE COUNTY HOTEL TAX.

JUST BECAUSE I NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE 2%.

RIGHT. YEAH. I JUST NEED TO MESSAGE BACK TO HOTEL OWNERS OR AT LEAST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ENGAGING WITH THEM REGULARLY AND THEN WHEN IT'S ONE TIME EXPENDITURES THERE.

SO THE METROPOLITAN NORTH TEXAS, NORTH TEXAS COMMISSION HAS PRESENTED TO THE METROPLEX MAYORS AND THEY HAVE A LIST OF ONE TIME EXPENDITURES THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON FOR THE SURPLUS.

RIGHT. UNDERSTANDING THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THOSE DOLLARS LIKELY WILL GO.

AND SO I JUST ASK AND I CAN CONNECT YOU WITH WHOEVER YOU ALREADY HAVE A CONNECTION WITH THEM, I'M SURE.

SO IF YOU COULD GET THAT, IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT ALREADY, JUST KIND OF WE CAN FUNNEL THAT DOWN BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE SOME RESEARCH ON AND POLLING DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND THEY HAVE A LIST. AND JUST TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT LIST, LIKE YES, NO, THAT SORT OF THING, WE CAN ENGAGE WITH THEM ON THOSE, THOSE PARTICULAR THOSE PARTICULAR ISSUES AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE PERFECT.

AND THEN JUST GIVE. AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING ON THAT LIST THAT WE DO OR DO NOT AGREE WITH, LET ME KNOW SO THAT I CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AT THOSE MONTHLY MEETINGS.

AND THEN FEDERALLY, RALPH JUST REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT OBVIOUSLY LIKE YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST ON AIRPORT THINGS, IF YOU CAN KIND OF KEEP US UP TO SPEED ON OPPORTUNITIES, GRANTS, ETC., ETC.

OUR AIRPORT IS GROWING BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS, INCREASE IN USE AND DEVELOPING AROUND THERE AND THERE'S ABOUT 300 ACRES ON THE BACK SIDE THAT WE'RE HOPING WILL COME AVAILABLE ONCE WE DO SOME STUFF WITH WITH THE LOOP.

AND SO I'D REALLY LIKE TO KIND OF CONTINUE TO BE CUTTING EDGE ON GRANTS, OPPORTUNITIES OR THAT SORT OF THING OR DOLLARS THAT ALREADY YOU, YOU TOUCHED ON THOSE OTHER PROGRAMS. AND SO IF THERE'S DOLLARS IN THERE THAT CAN BE ALLOCATED TOWARDS AIRPORTS, AND IF WE DO THIS OR THAT OR MEET THIS SPECIFICATION, I'D LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT THOSE. AND THEN.

I GUESS, AGAIN, WE'RE OUT OF TIME, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO.

RALPH, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A CALL AND FOLLOW UP BECAUSE I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT, OBVIOUSLY, CONGRESSMAN BURGESS.

YOU KNOW, HIS HIS AREA DECREASES A BIT HERE.

CONGRESSMAN JACKSON COMES INTO THIS AREA OF TALK.

WE OBVIOUSLY WE'VE TALKED TO HIM A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT JUST WANT TO GET YOUR LOOK AT THAT DYNAMIC AND HOW WE CAN BEST COMMUNICATE.

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BRING CONGRESSMAN JACKSON UP TO SPEED ON DENTON AND KIND OF GIVE HIM A FEEL.

SO I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT.

OFFLINE BROADBAND IS ANOTHER THING.

SAME THING IF THERE'S GRANTS, THAT SORT OF THING.

I DID REALIZE FOUND OUT WE HAVE A PRETTY SIZABLE NETWORK HERE IN THE AREA, BUT STILL WANT TO TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE GRANTS WHERE WE CAN. AND THEN LET ME SEE.

EVERYTHING ELSE I THINK IS STATE.

RIGHT OF WAY. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY BAKED IN THERE SOMEWHERE.

BUT YES, SIR. SO SO JUST THAT'S I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT AND HAPPY TO SPEAK ON THAT.

IF WE IF WE NEED TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK ON THAT AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT AND THEN HEALTH SPENDING, I WOULD JUST ASK IF I MEAN, IF THERE'S CONSENSUS, MAYBE BRING IT BACK TO POLL THE GROUP, BUT I'D LOVE TO KIND OF REBRAND MENTAL HEALTH AS HEALTH.

RIGHT. SO WHO'S GOING TO ARGUE AGAINST HEALTH SPENDING, RIGHT.

VERSUS PEOPLE ARGUING AGAINST MENTAL HEALTH.

RIGHT. SO SO THEN ALLOW THE DOCTOR TO DECIDE WHAT'S FIRST.

RIGHT? IF YOU'RE BALANCING SOMEONE OUT, LET'S START HERE, LET'S GO THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO JUST HEALTH IS A GIANT BUCKET VERSUS MENTAL HEALTH.

OTHER HEALTH, THIS HEALTH, YOU KNOW, AND SO I THINK THEN IT KIND OF IT GIVES A BETTER ARGUMENT IN MY ESTIMATION.

SO BUT I TAKE WHATEVER YOU'RE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT'S JUST ME PERSONALLY.

AND SO THEN I THINK IT ALSO LOOKS AT STAFFING, WRITE THE SAME APPLICATION.

SO WE NEED MORE MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS, BUT LET'S JUST SAY WE NEED MORE HEALTH PROFESSIONALS, RIGHT? AND THEN WHO'S WHO'S AGAINST THAT? RIGHT? AND SO I THINK THAT THAT TO ME IS IMPORTANT.

THE LAST THING AND I'M SURE YOU'VE TOUCHED ON THIS ALREADY ARE IT'S IN THERE BUILDING MATERIALS, JUST THAT AUTHORITY.

AND I'VE HEARD OTHER CITIES TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT JUST THE ABILITY TO GO BACK AND REGULATE THOSE THINGS.

AND THEN, RYAN, IF YOU COULD, I MEAN, YOU ALREADY KNOW, BUT JUST KIND OF TO GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF THAT, THAT YOU'VE SEEN THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT VERSUS THIS VERSUS THAT VERSUS I MEAN, IT JUST REALLY WOULD HELP TO HAVE THAT REGULATION BACK TO NOT HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SEND PEOPLE BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN AND SOME OTHER THINGS. SO I THINK WE CAN GET THE BILL BY THE SHOT CLOCK.

RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH, I THINK WE CAN GET THE BUILDERS ON BOARD WITH SOMETHING IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IF WE PITCH IT THE RIGHT WAY.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS ANY ANY FEEDBACK FROM RALPH DEBRA OR ANYTHING FROM STAFF? NO. THIS WILL BE ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA NEXT WEEK.

GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU, RALPH. THANK YOU, DEBORAH.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the use of Responsive Speed Limit Signs within the City of Denton. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM B AT E, TWO, 21721.

RECEIVE REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE USE OF RESPONSIVE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS WITHIN THE CITY OF DENTON.

YEAH. GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I AM BRETT BOURGEOIS.

I AM THE DEPUTY CITY ENGINEER IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE RESPONSE TO SPEED LIMIT SIGNS.

SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE CAME FROM AND WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR RESPONSIVE, RESPONSIVE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS, HOW THEY FUNCTION AND THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF AVAILABLE.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SOME NATIONAL STUDIES AND SOME NATIONAL RESEARCH ON IT.

TALK ABOUT THE PILOT PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE CITY HERE.

LOOK AT SOME PROPOSED PROGRAMS AND CONSIDERATIONS.

DISCUSS THE UP IN PROGRAM THAT COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS RECOMMENDED AND RECEIVE COUNCIL COMMENTS AND DIRECTION.

SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A TWO MINUTE PITCH FROM COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS TO LOOK INTO AN OPT IN RESPONSIVE SPEED LIMIT SIGN PROGRAM WHERE COMMUNITIES CAN CHOOSE TO PURCHASE A SIGN AND LET THE CITY INSTALL, MAINTAIN AND OPERATE THE SIGN.

SO WHAT IS THE RESPONSE TO SPEED LIMIT SIGN? THEY GO BY LOTS OF DIFFERENT NAMES.

DRIVER FEEDBACK SIGN IS VERY COMMON DYNAMIC DISPLAY SIGN SPEED FEEDBACK SIGNS SOME OTHER ONES.

ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY DO IS THAT THEY FEED BACK TO THE DRIVER THE SPEED THEY'RE GOING SIMILAR TO YOUR ODOMETER ON YOUR OR YOUR SPEEDOMETER ON YOUR VEHICLE.

SO IT'S JUST TELLING THE DRIVER HOW FAST THEY'RE GOING IN RELATION TO THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT.

THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGNS.

SO WE ALL KNOW THE STATIC SPEED LIMIT SIGNS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THOSE RUN ABOUT $120 EACH AND HAVE A LIFECYCLE OF ABOUT TEN YEARS.

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THE RESPONSIVE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS COME IN ESSENTIALLY TWO DIFFERENT FLAVORS.

YOU HAVE THE STANDARD SIGN WHICH ONLY DISPLAYS A DRIVER'S SPEED.

THOSE ARE ABOUT A FIVE YEAR LIFE CYCLE RUN ABOUT 3000 TO PURCHASE.

THE SMART SIGN IS A VARIATION OF THAT USES THE SAME FEEDBACK SIGN AS A STANDARD FOR THE $3,000, THE FIVE YEAR LIFE CYCLE.

BUT IT ALSO HAS SOME SMART TECHNOLOGY BUILT INTO IT, WHICH INCLUDES THE ABILITY TO RECORD SPEED DATA AND TRANSMIT THAT IN REAL TIME VIA CELL NETWORK TO A DATA CENTER FOR DATA COLLECTION.

THE SMART TECHNOLOGY LASTS ABOUT TEN YEARS, RUNS ABOUT 4000, $4,500, AND THEN IT PAIRS WITH THE STANDARD SIGN FOR 3000, THE FIVE YEAR LIFE CYCLE. SO WHEN LOOKING AT THIS, WE WANTED TO WE DID A PILOT PROGRAM WITHIN THE CITY.

WE WANT TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT HOW DO THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS AND RESPONSIVE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS WORK NATIONWIDE AND THE RESEARCH OF IT.

WE FOUND SOME INFORMATION ACTUALLY GLOBALLY AS WELL.

AND SO SOME OF THE INFORMATION WE LOOKED AT WERE THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION'S FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION, THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY SAFETY ADMINISTRATION.

AND WE LOOKED AT SOME STUFF IN CANADA.

I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THIS FIRST DOCUMENT HERE THAT WE LOOKED AT, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AN AGGREGATE OF ALL THE OTHER STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE ON RESPONSE TO SPEED LIMIT SIGNS.

THERE'S ABOUT 106 DIFFERENT STUDIES DONE WORLDWIDE, 77 OF THEM WITHIN THE UNITED STATES.

AND IT AGGREGATES ALL THE RESEARCH AND ALL THE STUDY AND BREAKS IT DOWN THAT WAY.

THEY DID THIS BECAUSE THEY NOTICED A LOT OF COMMUNITIES AND CITIES WERE LOOKING INTO THESE SIGNS AND THERE IS NO STANDARD OF PRACTICE AND EASY TO FIND INFORMATION ON IT.

SO BASICALLY FROM THE NATIONAL RESEARCH, WHAT WE SAW WAS THE EFFECTIVE APPLICATIONS OF THESE SIGNS OR WE HAVE A SPEED TRANSITION.

SO THAT'S WHETHER YOU'RE APPROACHING A WORK ZONE, WE HAVE A REDUCED SPEED LIMIT.

YOU ARE APPROACHING A SCHOOL ZONE DURING SCHOOL TIMES.

IT HAS A REDUCED SPEED LIMIT.

YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN A HIGHWAY WHERE YOU HAVE, LET'S SAY, A 55 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT AND YOU'RE APPROACHING AN URBAN DISTRICT WHERE IT DROPS DOWN TO 45 OR 40 TO INFORM THE DRIVERS THAT THEY NEED TO REDUCE THEIR SPEED.

OR WHEN YOU'RE APPROACHING A CURVE IN THE ROAD WHERE YOU HAVE AN ADVISORY SPEED THAT IT'S TRYING TO TELL YOU THAT YOU NEED TO REDUCE YOUR SPEED TO SAFELY NAVIGATE THAT TURN.

AS I MENTIONED, IT'S ABOUT 106 STUDIES WERE COMPLETED WORLDWIDE, 77 UNITED STATES.

OF ALL THOSE STUDIES DONE, ONLY THREE OF THEM WERE CONDUCTED ON STRAIGHT SECTIONS OF ROAD WITHIN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

OF THOSE THREE STUDIES, ALL THREE OF THEM PRODUCED DIFFERENT RESULTS AND COMPLETELY INCONCLUSIVE IN THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE SCIENCE.

SO FROM THE NATIONAL AND THE NATIONAL RESEARCH AND THE FINDINGS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT RANGES AND ZONES WHERE THE FEEDBACK SIGNS ARE MEASURED.

YOU LOOK AT AN UPSTREAM AREA, UPSTREAM AREA WHERE YOU'RE APPROACHING THE SIGN SIGN LOCATION AND THEN SOME DISTANCE DOWNSTREAM.

THE RESULTS WERE CONSISTENT ACROSS THAT WHERE THE EFFECTIVE RANGE IS ABOUT 1200 TO 1400 FEET BEFORE THE SIGN AS A DRIVER IS SEEN, THE FEEDBACK OF IT AND REDUCING THEIR SPEED ONCE THEY PASS THE SIGN, ABOUT 5500 FEET PASS THE SIGN, THEY'VE NOTICED DRIVERS START INCREASING THEIR SPEED TO MAKE UP TIME OR TO DRIVE WHAT THEY FEEL IS A SAFE DRIVING SPEED.

BASED ON THAT, THE EFFECTIVENESS AND DISTANCE DIMINISHES WITH THE SIGN.

SO AS YOU LIKE I MENTIONED, YOU'RE GOING APPROACHING THE SIGN AFTER THE SIGN, DRIVERS TEND TO INCREASE THEIR SPEED.

AND BASED ON THE STUDIES, THE SIGNS SHOW AN AVERAGE OF FOUR MILE AN HOUR, MILE PER HOUR REDUCTION IN SPEED WHEN THEY'RE FIRST INSTALLED ABOUT THREE WEEKS AFTER THAT, THE SPEED REDUCTIONS ONLY TWO MILES PER HOUR, AND IT CONTINUES TO DECREASE THE LONGER THE SIGNS ARE OUT.

AND SO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THOSE STUDIES THEY LOOKED AT, THESE ARE NOT A STAND ALONE SOLUTION FOR SPEEDING AND REDUCING DRIVER SPEED.

YOU NEED TO COMBINE THEM WITH HIGH VISIBILITY ENFORCEMENT.

YOU NEED TO COMBINE THEM WITH OTHER TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES, SOME OTHER WAYS TO HAVE DRIVERS REDUCE THEIR BEHAVIOR AND SO THEIR SPEEDS.

WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR PROGRAM THAT WE DID, WE INSTALLED TWO SIGNS ON KERLEY AND TWO SIGNS ON MORSE AT COUNCIL DIRECTION.

THE SIGNS WERE PURCHASED IN.

DECEMBER TIME FRAME INSTALLED IN JUNE.

THE SPEED STUDY IS ON THOSE SIGNS AND THOSE LOCATIONS WERE COMPLETED LAST SUMMER, SHOWED AN AVERAGE SPEED OF ABOUT 35 MILES PER HOUR ON BOTH STREETS.

WE INSTALLED THE SIGNS IN JUNE.

WE WENT OUT AND WE RESTARTED THE STREETS IN AUGUST AND WE ACTUALLY SHOWED AN INCREASE IN SPEED ON CURLY STREET AND A CONSISTENT SPEED OF 35 MILES PER HOUR ON MORE STREET.

SO THAT'S WHAT GOT US LOOKING AT THE NATIONAL RESEARCH AS THIS RESULTS ARE NOT WHAT WE WE'RE EXPECTING, ANTICIPATING.

AND ACTUALLY WHAT WE SEE IS THAT THE RESULTS ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THE NATIONAL STUDIES.

AND SO LOOKING AT THAT, WE DECIDED TO LOOK AT WHAT WHAT A NEW PROGRAM WOULD LOOK LIKE.

WHAT IS A BETTER WAY TO APPROACH THIS? HOW WOULD WE DO SOMETHING TO MAKE THESE SIGNS EFFECTIVE? HERE ARE THE RESULTS OF THE STUDIES.

SO THE PREVIOUS STUDY SHOWED ABOUT 30 MILES PER HOUR IN ONE DIRECTION SIGN INSULATION, COASTLINE INSULATION, REDUCTION OF ABOUT ONE MILE PER HOUR,

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WHICH IS A POSITIVE RESULT.

AND OTHER LOCATIONS WE SHOWED ACTUALLY INCREASES IN SPEEDS.

SO WE WERE KIND OF PERPLEXED WITH THE RESULTS THAT WE GOT.

IF WE WANT TO DO A PROGRAM, WE KIND OF IDENTIFIED SIX STEPS THAT THIS PROGRAM WOULD HAVE TO TAKE.

WE NEED TO IDENTIFY APPLICABLE, APPROPRIATE STREETS THAT HAVE A DEMONSTRATED SPEED ISSUE.

AND THAT'S I'LL TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME DETERMINED LOCATIONS SO WE COME OUT, IDENTIFY A LOCATION UPSTREAM, IDENTIFY WHERE THE SIGN IS GOING TO GO AND IDENTIFY A LOCATION DOWNSTREAM.

WE'D WANT TO COMPLETE AN INITIAL STUDY TO KIND OF SEE THAT THE SPEEDS ARE AN ACTUAL PROBLEM, NOT JUST A PERCEIVED PROBLEM, BUT AN ACTUAL PROBLEM.

WE WANT TO COME OUT AND INSTALL THE SIGNS AND THEN DO A FOLLOW UP SPEECH STUDY WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS OF THE SCIENCE INSTALLATION TO SEE IF THE RESULTS ARE REDUCED IMMEDIATELY.

WE WOULD COORDINATE WITH PD AND HAVE THEM COME OUT AND DO HIGH VISIBILITY ENFORCEMENT IN THAT AREA.

WHETHER IT'S A ONE WEEK HIGH VISIBILITY ENFORCEMENT OR A TWO WEEK HIGH VISIBILITY, ENFORCEMENT WILL BE DETERMINED AND DISCUSSED.

WE CAN DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME SOMETIME AFTER.

BUT JUST KIND OF LET THE COMMUNITY AND RESIDENTS KNOW THAT WE ARE OUT THERE LOOKING AT THE SUSPECTS IN THIS AREA.

WE'LL COME BACK AND DO A LONG TERM STUDY ABOUT 2 TO 3 MONTHS LATER, SEE IF THE SPEED RESULTS ARE STAYING DOWN OR IF THEY'VE GONE BACK UP.

AND THEN WE'LL REMOVE THE SIGNS AND THEN COME BACK AND RE STUDY THAT LOCATION SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE AND SEE IF THE BEHAVIOR HAS CHANGED OR IF THEY RETURN TO THEIR REGULAR BEHAVIOR BEFORE. SO SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IDENTIFYING STREETS APPROPRIATELY, IS THAT WHEN DRIVERS ARE ALREADY DRIVING AT OR BELOW THE SPEED LIMIT AND YOU INSTALL THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS OR RESPONSIVE SIGNS, DRIVERS TEND TO INCREASE THEIR SPEED TO THE SPEED LIMIT.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY SHOWN A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON STREETS THAT ARE NOT APPROPRIATELY IDENTIFIED AND INSTALLED.

THAT THAT WAS CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL THE STUDIES.

THE NEED TO HAVE A CONSISTENT METHODOLOGY IN TERMS OF LOCATIONS, HOW WE'RE GOING TO STUDY IT, HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEPLOY THEM AND BE UNIFORM AND CONSISTENT ACROSS THE APPLICATION OF THIS. AGAIN, WE SHOULD NOT LOOK AT THEM AS A STAND ALONE SOLUTION, BUT IN CONJUNCTION WITH HIGH VISIBILITY ENFORCEMENT OR OTHER TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES TO TRY TO CHANGE DRIVER BEHAVIOR ON THAT STREET.

AND AGAIN, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT WHATEVER WE DO WILL HAVE A LASTING IMPACT WITHOUT CHANGING THE ROAD CHARACTERISTICS OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT DRIVERS MUST THEY SEE THERE'S NO NEGATIVE IMPACT TO SPEEDING.

THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO AND IGNORE THE SIGNS.

SO GOING BACK TO COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS'S REQUEST OF LOOKING AT AN OPT IN PROGRAM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT IS HOW WOULD THIS PROGRAM ACTUALLY WORK? WHO WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE PROGRAM? WHAT INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS BE ABLE TO PURCHASE THE SIGNS THEMSELVES AND THEN HAVE US INSTALL THEM? WOULD IT BE HOMES? WHAT ABOUT COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T HAVE AN HLA? HOW WOULD THAT WORK? AND WHAT PERCENT OF THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WOULD BE NEEDED TO PURCHASE THE SIGN? HOW WOULD THIS BE EQUITABLE FOR ALL NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS DENTON? SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE HOPE.

SOME COMMUNITIES DON'T.

SOME HAVE HIGHWAYS WITH LARGE FEES, SOME OF WHICH IS A SMALL FEES.

HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT WE ARE GETTING THESE SIGNS EQUITABLE ACROSS ALL THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS THE CITY? ALL THE STREETS THAT THE REQUESTS ARE COMING IN, ARE THEY APPROPRIATE TO ACTUALLY INSTALL THE SIGN? AS WE'VE SEEN BEFORE, PEOPLE TEND TO INCREASE SPEEDS IF THEY'RE INSTALLED IN AREAS WHERE DRIVERS ARE ALREADY BEHAVING LOWER OR THEY HAVE A NON EFFECTIVE USE AND OTHER STREETS. THE AMOUNT OF ENGINEERING COSTS AND TIME TO DETERMINE THIS INFORMATION HAS A COST TO IT AS WELL.

AND COORDINATING WITH THEM AND HAVING THEIR TIME COME OUT AND ENFORCE THOSE AREAS.

AND HOW WOULD THAT LOOK WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOODS? WHO'S GOING TO COVER THOSE COSTS, HOW THAT ALL BE TAKEN CARE OF.

THEN ALSO THIS IS THE SIGNS WOULD BE INSTALLED WITHIN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS WHERE SIGNS ARE NORMALLY INSTALLED.

BUT WE HAVE TO ALSO CONSIDER WHAT ARE THE OTHER USES OF THAT RIGHT AWAY AND HOW WOULD THESE SIGNS IMPACT THOSE FUTURE USES OR THOSE OTHER USES THAT WE HAVE FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY? SO BASED ON ALL THAT AND ALL THIS RESEARCH AND DISCUSSION OF IT AND LOOKING AT ALL THE POSSIBILITIES, WE DO NOT RECOMMEND THAT WE CREATE AN OPT IN PROGRAM.

WE DO FEEL THAT IF THIS COUNCIL WISHES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROGRAM THAT WILL BE A CITY LED PROGRAM AND THAT WE WILL NEED TO LOOK AT ESTABLISHING A CRITERIA TO IDENTIFY THE STREETS AND ITS ALL THE SIGNS.

LOOK AT THE COST ESTIMATES OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO PURCHASE THE SIGNS, WHICH ACTUALLY WAS INFORMED THIS MORNING THAT THERE WAS SOME MONEY SET ASIDE THIS NEW BUDGET CYCLE FOR SOME SIGN PURCHASES AND ALSO COORDINATE WITH PD ON MAKING SURE THAT THESE STREETS ARE IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE HIGH VISIBILITY ENFORCEMENT ROTATION AND HAVE A PROGRAM WITH THAT GOING FORWARD.

WITH THAT. I'M HERE TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK YOU MAY HAVE.

GREAT QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

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THANK YOU, MAYOR. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

FIRST OF ALL, REGARDING THE STUDIES, HOW ARE RESIDENTIAL STREETS DEFINED? IF THESE ARE NATIONAL STUDIES AND ARE THEY USING THE SAME DEFINITIONS THAT WE'RE USING? AND HOW DO THOSE DEFINITIONS KIND OF RELATE TO HOW A NORMAL JUST AN AVERAGE NON ENGINEER WOULD USE THE TERM RESIDENTIAL? SO FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT OUR OUR CITYWIDE SPEED STUDY, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE A ROAD LIKE MALONE AS IT'S WE REFER TO IT AS A RESIDENTIAL STREET, BUT IT'S ALSO A STREET THAT HAS ITS, IT'S GOT ITS OWN CHARACTERISTICS.

IT'S VERY WIDE, THERE'S A LOT OF SPEEDING ON IT, THERE'S A LOT OF TURNS.

WE DID THE ROAD DIET BECAUSE THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT PLACES TO TURN OFF, A LOT OF CONFLICTS WITH PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS.

I MEAN, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN HOW I WOULD CHARACTERIZE, JUST AS A LAYPERSON, A RESIDENTIAL STREET, WHICH IS JUST A SURFACE STREET WITH HOUSES ON IT.

SO CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW THE STUDIES TREATED RESIDENTIAL STREETS? AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE THREE STUDIES THAT WERE INCONCLUSIVE, WHAT STREETS ARE WE REALLY TALKING ABOUT? SO THE STREETS THAT THEY LOOKED AT IN THOSE STUDIES WERE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS OR RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT HAD HOUSES AND DRIVEWAY ACCESSES ON THEM.

MOST OF THE STREETS WERE STRAIGHT SEGMENTS.

THEY LOOKED AT A COUPLE, THREE DIFFERENT CITIES THAT DID THIS.

THE NAME OF THIS IS OFF OF MY HEAD.

THEY STUDIED A MULTITUDE OF THEIR RESIDENTIAL STREETS, AND ONE STUDY SHOWED THAT THE SIGNS SHOWED INCREASE IN SPEEDING BECAUSE DRIVERS WERE ALREADY DRIVING AT A LOWER SPEED AND THEY INCREASED THEIR SPEED TO THE SPEED LIMIT.

ANOTHER STUDY SHOWED THAT HALF OF THE STREETS REDUCE SPEED AND THE OTHER HALF INCREASED SPEED.

AND THEN THE THIRD STUDY SHOWED THAT ALL THE STREETS HAD A REDUCTION IN SPEED.

SO IT WAS VARIED RESULTS ON THEM.

BUT THEY'RE ALL A NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER WITH DRIVEWAYS, DRIVEWAY ACCESSES, SHARED USE TYPE OF STREETS, AND THEY'RE ALL STRAIGHT SEGMENTS. THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY CURVES OR BENDS IN THEM OR CHANGES IN SPEEDS ON THEM.

OKAY. SO WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY IT'S KIND OF TOUGH TO CORRELATE THAT KIND OF RESIDENTIAL STREET TO A A MALONE OR EVEN A MORE STREET WHERE THERE'S LOTS OF IT'S NOT JUST HOUSES AND DRIVEWAYS AND A FEW ACROSS STREET EVERY FEW BLOCKS, THAT KIND OF THING.

I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE STUDIES INDIVIDUALLY.

I DIDN'T PULL THOSE INDIVIDUAL STUDIES UP AND STUDY THEM.

I USED THE AGGREGATE DATA THAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE NATIONAL AGGREGATE OF INFORMATION ON IT.

OKAY. WELL, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HEALTHY PUSHBACK THERE ON MAKING A ONE FOR ONE COMPARISON WITH THOSE STUDIES AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR SPEED COMPLAINTS AREN'T NECESSARILY SOME OF THEM ARE FROM A STREET WHERE YOU REALLY OUGHT TO BE GOING ABOUT 20 TO MAKE IT THROUGH ALL THE CARS THAT LINE THE STREET.

BUT SOME OF THEM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE MALONE'S A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE IN MY DISTRICT WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN CYCLIST INTERACTION AND IT'S NOT THERE AREN'T A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS THAT FRONT IT, BUT WE TREAT IT AS A RESIDENTIAL STREET FOR PURPOSES OF OUR OUR OWN SPEED STUDY.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD.

YOU MENTIONED THAT PART OF THE PROGRAM IS PROPOSED WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE SIGNS FOR A POST STUDY, I GUESS A POST REMOVAL STUDY.

MM HMM. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE UTILITY OF THAT? BECAUSE, AGAIN, AS A LAYPERSON, IT SEEMS LIKE THE BENEFIT OF THE SIGNS IS A PSYCHOLOGICAL IT'S KIND OF LIKE A FUNKO THING.

LIKE EVERYBODY'S YOU'RE BEING WATCHED, YOU'RE YOU'RE BEING NOTED AND YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT SOMEBODY RECORDING NECESSARILY SOMETIMES DO ACTUALLY RECORD.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT YOU IT REMINDS YOU THAT YOU'RE PART OF A COMMUNITY WHERE THEY'RE STANDARDS AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO MEET THE STANDARDS AND THAT SOMEONE IS REMINDING YOU IN A GENTLE WAY TO FOLLOW THE STANDARDS THAT ARE SET.

SO WHAT BENEFIT DO WE GAIN BY REMOVING THE SIGNS AND THEN SEEING IF PEOPLE STILL ACT AS IF THE SIGNS WERE THERE? SO THE THE SIGNS, IF THEY'RE NOT BEING ENFORCED, DRIVERS TEND TO IGNORE THEM.

AND SO IF THE SIGNS STAY UP LONG TERM, AS RESULTS FROM OUR PREVIOUS STUDY THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING, DRIVERS ACTUALLY HAVE INCREASED SPEEDS ON THOSE STREETS BECAUSE THE SIGNS ARE NOT BEING ENFORCED AND THERE'S NO REPERCUSSIONS TO EXCEEDING THE SPEEDS ON THEM.

SO THE THE INTENT OF IT IS WHEN THE SIGN COMES UP, THE COMMUNITY WILL LEARN THAT WE'RE GOING TO START ENFORCING THE STREET AND CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR FOR SOME DURATION. NOW, WHETHER HOW THAT PLAYS OUT IN THE LONG TERM, IT'S HARD TO SAY.

THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DONE A PROGRAM SIMILAR TO THAT WHERE THEY PUT SIGNS UP AT SOME TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

THEY START HIGH VISIBILITY ENFORCEMENT ON THAT SPORADICALLY AND THEN WHEN.

AND SO WHEN THEY PUT THE SIGNS UP, DRIVERS AUTOMATICALLY START TO REDUCE THEIR SPEEDS KNOWING THAT AN ENFORCEMENT RELATED ITEM IS COMING FOLLOWING THAT.

AND THEN WHEN THE SIGNS GO DOWN, THEY DON'T KNOW IF ENFORCEMENT IS STILL OCCURRING OR IF THE SIGNS ARE BEING RELOCATED TO ANOTHER LOCATION.

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SO THE THE THE IDEA IS THAT THESE SIGNS BE ROTATED AROUND THE CITY INSTEAD OF BEING STAGNANT OR STATIC IN ONE LOCATION WHERE THERE'S HARD TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S ANY ENFORCEMENT AT ALL ON IT. OKAY.

AND THEN I GUESS MY DIRECTION WOULD BE I'M OKAY WITH THE STAFF SUGGESTED, I GUESS, THE PROPOSED PROGRAM.

MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE AND I GET THE REASONS WHY AN OPT IN CAN BE DIFFICULT.

BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A STAFF LETTER OR A CITY LED PROGRAM, I THINK THE CRITERIA FOR SELECTION HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY CLEAR AND VERY PUBLIC IN LAYMAN'S TERMS. SO WE KNOW ALL ABOUT THE KIND OF PERCEIVED SPEED ISSUE VERSUS ACTUAL STUDY DATA DRIVEN SPEED ISSUES OR THE DATA PROVEN SPEED ISSUES.

CORRECT. BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR A NON ENGINEER WHO'S STANDING THERE IN THEIR YARD AND SEES WHAT THEY PERCEIVE AS A SPEED PROBLEM OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

AND IF THEY DON'T SEE US DOING SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THAT, THEN THEY BECOME VERY DISSATISFIED WITH OUR ABILITY AND THEY START TO DOUBT OUR ABILITY TO ENFORCE OUR OWN SPEED LIMITS. SO I THINK THE CRITERIA FOR IF I AM CONCERNED ABOUT SPEED ON A PARTICULAR STREET AND THAT'S THE STREET I LIVE IN THE STREET MY KIDS PLAY ON THE CRITERIA FOR GETTING MY STREET STUDIED AND THE CRITERIA THAT HAS TO MEET TO GET INTO THE PROGRAM, I THINK HAVE TO BE VERY WELL COMMUNICATED AND VERY, VERY SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD.

IT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD TO REFERENCE STUDIES, BUT FOR LAYPEOPLE THEY NEED TO KNOW KIND OF SIMPLE AND MATTER OF FACT WAY WHAT QUALIFIES A PARTICULAR STRETCH OF ROAD FOR BEING A PART OF THE STUDY, BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE ARE DOZENS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHERE FOLKS BELIEVE THEY NEED TO HAVE ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S BOLLARDS OR THE THE RESPONSIVE SIGNS OR HIGH VISIBILITY ENFORCEMENT, THEY'RE JUST KIND OF DESPERATE FOR ANYTHING TO STOP THE PROBLEM.

SO SOMETHING THAT GETS ROLLED OUT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE, SOMETHING THAT'S VERY EASY TO COMMUNICATE TO CONSTITUENTS.

HERE'S HOW YOU TAKE PART IN IT.

IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET A NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR INSTANCE, AN HOA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OPT IN, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO SHOULDER THAT FINANCIAL BURDEN AS A CITY, THEN WE HAVE TO DO THAT IN A WAY THAT PEOPLE FEEL IS ACTUALLY.

PRODUCING A BENEFIT FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? NO. UNDERSTOOD. THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

THAT'S WHY ONE OF OUR FIRST ITEMS, IF WE MOVE FORWARD, WOULD BE ESTABLISHING THAT CAREER CLEAR CRITERIA AND LETTING COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL KNOW WHAT THAT CRITERIA IS.

SURE. THANKS.

ANYONE ELSE. COUNCILOR BERT.

HELLO? HELLO.

I EVERYBODY KNOWS I REPRESENT DISTRICT ONE.

WHENEVER WE TALK ABOUT DISTRICT ONE MORE STREET, CURLY STREET HAS TO COME UP.

AND I KNOW THAT MORE STREET IS JUST KIND OF SITS ON A HILL AS WELL AS NOTTINGHAM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE GOING DOWN TOWARDS WOODROW, THAT STREET GOING NORTH THAT SITS ON A HILL AS WELL.

AND SO I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME PARTICULARS ABOUT CERTAIN STREETS, CORRECT.

BUT MY ISSUE RIGHT NOW AND YOU ALL CAN ADDRESS ME IN A NOTATION OR SOMETHING IS THAT.

MORE STREET HAS BEEN COMPLAINED ABOUT FOR AT LEAST 40 YEARS, AS WELL AS CURLEY STREET.

WE KNOW THAT THAT HAD SOME CONSTRUCTION AND NOW THERE'S A SMOOTH TOP WHICH HAS CAUSED THE TRAFFIC TO GO FASTER.

SO WE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE STREETS NEEDING TO BE FIXED AND THEN WHEN THEY GET FIXED, WE GO FASTER ON IT.

THEN WE GOT TO SLOW THEM DOWN.

IT'S JUST LIKE THIS PERPETUAL THING.

BUT I AM GOING TO JUST SAY THAT I KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY IS LIKE MY BROTHER IN HERE TO THE RIGHT.

MR. COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS SAYS THAT.

THEY'VE BEEN THEY'VE BEEN HAVING THIS SIGNIFICANT COMPLAINT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

AND THEY HEAR THAT THERE IS A STUDY AND THEY SEE THE, YOU KNOW, THE FLASHING LIGHTS AND THE SIGNS AND THE NUMBERS, AND THEY ARE JUST WAITING AND WAITING AND WAITING.

HOW DO I GO BACK AS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE? WHAT AM I GOING WHAT DO I NEED TO TELL THEM? WHAT DO I TELL A COMMUNITY THAT IS FOR A PARTICULAR STREET OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT FOR THE STREET PURPOSES? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH MOORE STREET? WE SAY THAT WE STUDIED IT.

AND ARE WE TELLING THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM AND THEY KEEP SAYING, YES, THIS IS A LONG TERM PROBLEM.

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HOW DO WE SATISFY THESE PARTICULAR CONSTITUENTS? WELL, I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE DO THE ENGINEERING STUDIES TO SEE IF IT'S A PERCEIVED OR AN ACTUAL SPEEDING.

AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED MANY TIMES ABOUT CURLEY AND SEVERAL OF THE OTHER STREETS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU, ALSO ON MOORE STREET, WE DO HAVE A PLAN TO ACTUALLY NARROW THAT ROADWAY.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THOSE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES THAT'S A PART OF THAT D.C.

TO TRIP SUBMISSION THAT WE DID THIS YEAR TO ACTUALLY BRING THE ROADWAY IN, MAKE IT A NARROWER ROADWAY, ALLOW FOR ON STREET PARKING, BIKE LANE, ETC..

AND WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING THROUGH THAT DESIGN.

AND SO THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS ACCEPTED THROUGH THE CTA TRIP.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE BRETT WAS MENTIONING THROUGH THE PRESENTATION THOSE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE TYPE SITUATIONS WHERE WE CAN NARROW THE ROADWAY, WHICH THEN SLOWS DOWN THE TRAFFIC SPECIFICALLY.

SO AS FAR AS CURLEY GOES, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND WE MEET WITH P.D.

ON THURSDAY, BRETT'S ALREADY SET UP THE MEETING.

WE MEET WITH THEM MONTHLY.

BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS LIKE I MENTIONED, IS THE PERCEIVED VERSUS THE ACTUAL.

AND THROUGHOUT THE STUDIES THAT WE PERFORM THERE, THE SPEED IS ACTUALLY NOT WHAT FOLKS BELIEVE IT TO BE.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S AN EDUCATION PIECE AND CONTINUING TO HELP EXPLAIN DIFFERENT TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES THAT CAN BE USED IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THEN I ALSO THINK, YOU KNOW, I EVEN HAVE ONE OF THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO YOU MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, THEY'VE EVEN COME OUT WITH A RADAR GUN AND HELPED EDUCATE FOLKS ON WHAT IS ACTUALLY THE SPEED THAT SOMEONE'S GOING.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S JUST A CONTINUED COLLABORATION THAT WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER ON.

BUT I WANT TO JUST TO REMIND YOU OF THE MORE STREET PROJECT THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON TO BRING THAT ROADWAY IN AND MAKE IT A NARROW ROADWAY, WHICH IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THOSE TRAFFIC CALMING INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR TOOLKIT.

OKAY. AND I KNOW THAT THAT WAS JUST SPECIFIC TO MAURA STREET.

AND THANK YOU FOR FOR OVER THAT TIME ON THAT PARTICULAR STREET.

BUT JUST OVERALL, YOU KNOW, JUST A STREET LIKE NOTTINGHAM THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 380 AND THAT THAT'S A FAST STREET.

AND I SEE THAT THERE'S SOME TRAFFIC CALMING THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED THERE.

BUT YOU KNOW THAT THAT STREET IS EVEN MORE STEEPER THAN MORE STREET.

SO JUST OVERALL YOU SAID YOU'RE TARGETING OR HAVE YOU ALL MADE A DECISION TO WHICH STREETS THAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE TARGETING OR HAVE YOU STARTED TARGETING IT? WHERE ARE YOU IN THAT PARTICULAR.

SO WE HAVE TRIED SOME DIFFERENT DIFFERENT TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES.

HINKLE WE HAVE THE BIKE, THE BOLLARDS, THE BIKE LANE.

WE'RE DOING A TEST PROGRAM ON OLD NORTH.

WE'RE DOING A SIMILAR TRAFFIC CALMING PROGRAM.

A LOT OF THOSE ROADWAYS, OLD NORTH NOTTINGHAM, ECTOR OF THE STREETS HAVE A VERY SIMILAR CHARACTER.

THEY'RE VERY WIDE AND HAVE HIGH SPEED ISSUES ON THEM.

SO WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS OTHER WAYS TO SLOW SPEEDS WITH OTHER INNOVATIVE TACTICAL APPROACHES ON THOSE STREETS.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD OUR TOOLKIT AS TO WHAT WE CAN USE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

SO WE ARE TESTING OUT DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, PILOTING DIFFERENT ITEMS, SEEING THE RESULTS OF THAT SO WE CAN DEPLOY THEM IN THOSE CERTAIN LOCATIONS.

JUST CAME TO MIND. SO WHENEVER WE HAVE, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NEW NEIGHBORHOODS COMING IN OR YOU ALL GOING TO BE ON THE FRONT END OF HOW THOSE STREETS ARE LAID OUT, I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE THESE STREETS ARE GETTING MORE NARROW.

YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ME OR NOT.

SO AND NOT NECESSARILY LONGER.

IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE SHORTENING UP THESE ROADWAYS AS WELL.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS ON WHEN THEY WANT TO COME THROUGH AND AND BUILD A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD? YEAH. SO MOST OF OUR STREETS NOW HAVE A NARROWER SECTION THAN MALONE AND OLD NORTH AND NOTTINGHAM.

THOSE STREETS ARE VERY WIDE AND THAT AND THEY'RE VERY STRAIGHT IN THE LONG STRETCHES OF ROAD WHERE IT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SPEED AND FOR HIGHER SPEEDS. MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS NOW ARE MUCH NARROWER STREETS.

THEY'RE NOT AS LONG AND THEY'RE NOT AS STRAIGHT, SO THEY DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR VEHICLES TO GET TO THOSE HIGH SPEEDS AND FEEL COMFORTABLE DRIVING THOSE SPEEDS.

ANYONE ELSE. MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO WHEN YOU WERE DOING THE NATIONAL STUDY AND FORGIVE ME, BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH THE PAPER THAT YOU PROVIDE IN THE BACKUP.

BUT DID THEY GIVE SORT OF A MEAN TIME FOR THE THE SOCIOLOGICAL EFFECTS, THE THE THE CULTURAL EFFECTS OF HAVING THAT THERE AND HOW LONG IT TOOK FOR THAT TO KICK IN AND LAST THOSE THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, WHETHER OR NOT YOU ENFORCE THE THE SIGNS OR NOT, YOU INITIALLY SAID IT WAS LIKE INITIALLY IT WAS FOUR MILES AN HOUR

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AND THEN TWO MILES AN HOUR IN LONG TERM.

DID THEY DID THEY TALK ABOUT HOW LONG THAT TOOK TO DO? SO THE RESULTS ARE ACTUALLY THE WAY YOU STATED IT.

INSTEAD OF GETTING DRIVERS TO CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR, IT'S NOTICING AN IMMEDIATE CHANGE.

SO ONCE THE SIGNS ARE IMMEDIATELY INSTALLED, DRIVERS GO, OH, MAN, I'M REALLY DRIVING FAST.

AND THEY REDUCE THEIR SPEED ON AVERAGE BY ABOUT FOUR MILES PER HOUR WHEN THEY CAME BACK AND RESTUDY THOSE AREAS THREE WEEKS LATER.

DRIVERS ARE BACK UP TWO MILES PER HOUR.

AND THEN AS THE STUDIES CONTINUED, DRIVERS CONTINUED TO INCREASE THEIR SPEEDS.

AND I WANT TO SAY IT WAS ABOUT THREE MONTHS WHEN BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THE SIGNS WERE NOT THERE ANYMORE.

BUT I'LL GO BACK AND CONFIRM THAT.

BUT I THINK IT WAS IN THAT TIME FRAME.

THAT'S FINE. I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT THAT ANSWERS A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS I HAD.

AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE COSTS OF THESE THINGS, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE CONSIDERING I LIKE THE IDEA OF FOLLOWING THE DATA.

A LOT OF US PROPOSE FOLLOWING THE DATA ALL THE TIME FOR JUST THE REASONS THAT BECKY WAS TALKING ABOUT, PERCEIVED VERSUS REALITY.

HOW DO THESE KINDS OF SIGNS COMPARE TO PUTTING THE TRAILERS OUT WITH THE SPEED LIMITS THAT WE HAD TYPICALLY USED IN TERMS OF COST AND IMPLEMENTATION? AND IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A ROTATING SORT OF PROGRAM SO WE DON'T HAVE THE COST IN THE TRAILERS, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL TALK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND GET THAT INFORMATION FROM.

BUT THE SIGNS THAT WE'RE USING AND THE BASES THAT WE'RE USING THAT ARE MEANT TO BE SEGMENTAL.

SO YOU PUT THE BASE IN ONE TIME AND THE SIGN BASICALLY HAS A BOLT PATTERN OF BOLTS TO IT.

AND THEN WHEN WE TAKE THAT SIGN OFF, WE CAN PUT A STATIC SIGN BACK IN THAT PLACE OR JUST LEAVE THAT BASE IN PLACE AND SAW ANOTHER BASE IN ANOTHER LOCATION AND BE ABLE TO MOVE THOSE SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO ONCE WE IDENTIFY CERTAIN STREETS THAT WE KNOW ARE REPEAT OFFENDERS, WE WILL HAVE THOSE BASES ALREADY INSTALLED.

EASY TO BRING THOSE SIGNS BACK YEARLY OR WHATEVER CYCLE FITS THE PROGRAM.

OKAY, SO.

ALL RIGHT, SO. SO THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THEM.

PERPETUALLY SORT OF ROTATING THROUGH PROBLEMATIC CHILDREN OR STREETS, I SHOULD SAY, OK.

AND I'LL SAY THE REASON I ASK THE FIRST QUESTION IS CURLY AND MORRIS, IT LOOKED LIKE.

LOOK AT MY NOTES HERE, MAURICE.

YOU DID FOR SIX WEEKS. SO THAT'S INSIDE THAT TIME FRAME.

BUT BUT CURLEY WAS ONE WEEK, NO COLLECTING RESULTS.

THE SIGNS WERE INSTALLED IN JUNE.

WE DIDN'T COME BACK AND COLLECT RESULTS UNTIL AUGUST, SO WE WENT THE WHOLE SUMMER TIME FRAME FOR BOTH STREETS.

AND WE HAVE FOUR SIGNS ALREADY IN OUR IN OUR SYSTEM.

AND SO, I MEAN, I GUESS IN TERMS OF SORT OF SEMI DIRECTION, I'M LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I'M I'M FOR PILOTING, MAYBE BUYING WHATEVER YOU ALL FEEL OR COME BACK TO US WITH IN TERMS OF SOME MAYBE A COUPLE MORE AND PILOTING A ROTATIONAL SYSTEM.

THE THE THING I'M GOING TO ASK NEXT IS IS YOU SAID BOTH THE NATIONALS STUDIES AND YOUR INTENTION WAS TO AGGREGATE THIS WITH WITH ENFORCEMENT, WITH OFFICERS IN.

AND WHENEVER SOMEONE THROWS MULTIPLE VARIABLES AT ME AND THEN SAYS, HOW DOES THE WHOLE THING WORK? LIKE, WELL, WAS IT THE ENFORCEMENT ALONE THAT WE REALLY NEEDED OR DID THE SIGNS HAVE A PLAY OR DO I NEED BOTH? AND SO CAN YOU CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? SO. HIGH VISIBILITY ENFORCEMENT IS BY FAR THE BEST VEHICLE TO REDUCE DRIVER SPEEDS.

BUT IT'S VERY COSTLY TO HAVE OFFICERS STATIONED ON A STREET FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

SO THE IDEA IS, IS THAT ONCE YOU TRAIN THE COMMUNITY, THAT WHEN YOU START SEEING THESE SIGNS, YOU EXPECT HIGH VISIBILITY ENFORCEMENT TO FOLLOW FOR SOME DURATION AFTER THE SIGNS ARE INSTALLED.

SO IT'S EVEN ESSENTIALLY YOU WANT TO CONDITION THE COMMUNITY THAT ONCE THE SIGNS GET INSTALLED, THEY HAVE THE IMMEDIATE RESPONSE, OH, MAN, I'M DRIVING FAST.

AND THEN THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO START HIGH VISIBILITY ENFORCEMENT SOMETIME AFTER THAT ON THAT STREET TO GET A EXTENDING THAT WINDOW WHERE WE'RE HAVING SPEED REDUCTION.

SO CAN I ENCOURAGE YOU TO THROW IN A FEW STREETS WHERE YOU DO THE HIGH VISIBILITY ENFORCEMENT, WHERE YOU DO NOT HAVE THE SIGNS BECAUSE.

WHILE YES, IT'S EXPENSIVE TO TO RECRUIT THE POLICE TO DO THAT AND WE.

IF WE FIND OUT IN THE END THAT THE RESPONSIVE SIGNS DO NOTHING, THEN WE NEED TO STOP THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD.

BUT IF THEY IF THEY'RE COLLECTIVELY REDUCING SPEEDS THE TWO PROGRAMS TOGETHER, THEN THAT TELLS US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW IN TERMS OF DESIGNING A POLICY.

AND I COMPLETELY AGREE.

WE ALREADY DO MEET WITH PD ON A MONTHLY BASIS TO KNOW WHAT THEIR HIGH VISIBILITY ENFORCEMENT LIST IS.

WE CAN COORDINATE OUR SPEED STUDIES ON THOSE STREETS BEFORE AND AFTER THEY START HIGH VISIBILITY ENFORCEMENT.

COMPARE THAT WITH THE RESULTS WITH AND WITHOUT THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS AND THEN SEE HOW THAT DATA PLAYS OUT.

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I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE. YEAH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I AM READY TO GIVE DIRECTION TO GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE THE ESTABLISHING THE CRITERIA FOR THE PROGRAM AND PREPARING COST ESTIMATES FOR THE 2024 BUDGET.

AND I DO FEEL LIKE I'M PICKING UP WHAT YOU'RE LAYING DOWN AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF STAFF, TIME AND RESOURCES THAT THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO ON A QUICK TURNAROUND, ESPECIALLY GIVEN ALL OF THE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT LIKE I'LL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO BESIDES LAUNCH THIS PROGRAM. SO I THINK THAT IT'S WORTH PURSUING, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS NEED TIME ON THAT.

COUNCILMAN MCGEE. WITHOUT RESTATING ALL THAT, I'M GOING TO AGREE AS WELL, AND I WANT TO THANK MR. DAVIS FOR THIS PITCH.

ORIGINALLY IT WAS A GREAT IDEA, SO THANK YOU ALL.

I TOO UNDERSTAND STAFF CONSTRAINTS AND EMPLOYEES LEAVING AND WHATNOT, SO YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. DAVIS. COUNCILMAN WHAT? YEAH. I'LL GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

LOOK, LET'S FACE IT.

I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SPEED WHEN I'M GOING DOWN A STREET AND I SEE THESE SIGNS.

IT REMINDS ME, SLOW DOWN WHEN I'M GOING DOWN THAT STREET.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE COULD BE A POLICE OFFICER BEHIND A TREE OR SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN THERE BEFORE.

THAT IS THE ULTIMATE MOTIVATION.

WHETHER I SEE ONE OR NOT, I'M NOT A SPEEDER.

BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THINGS GET AWAY, YOU'RE DISTRACTED.

SO IF THIS WILL PROVIDE SOME EDUCATION TO THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S GREAT.

BUT WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT THE STUDIES SHOW THAT IT'S A TEMPORARY MEASURE AND THAT PEOPLE SORT OF RESORT TO THEIR TO THE STATUS QUO UNLESS SOMEHOW THEY MAKE AN INTERNAL INTENTIONAL COMMITMENT TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY AND NOT JUST ON THAT STRETCH, BUT MAYBE IN THE CITY IN GENERAL.

BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THE ACTUAL ENFORCEMENT ASPECT OF IT, I MEAN, DON'T WE ALL, WHEN WE SEE THAT TAP OUR BRAKES AND WHETHER IT'S NOT IN TIME OR NOT, WE'LL FIND OUT IN ABOUT 20 SECONDS IF SOMEBODY PULLS BEHIND THIS OR NOT.

SO I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S JUST EFFORTS IN EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PULLED BETWEEN TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE PEOPLE DO SPEED DOWN RESIDENTIAL STREETS, KIDS PLAY AND BAD THINGS HAPPEN AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON IN OUR CITY.

SO I TRUST STAFF TO COME BACK WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY FEEL FROM THEIR PROFESSIONAL PERSPECTIVE IS IS ADEQUATE.

AND I BELIEVE I WAS TOLD SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THAT THIS IS YOUR FIRST FULL PRESENTATION BEFORE THE COUNCIL, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, IT IS. APPRECIATE IT.

GREAT JOB.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CERTAINLY CONVERSANT ON THE FACTS AND YOU'VE HANDLED SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, NOT DIFFICULT, BUT BUT POINTED AND, YOU KNOW, CAUSED US TO REALLY DIG INTO THE FACTS. SO APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN DAVIS? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I'LL BE BRIEF. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT THAT I KEYED IN ON KIND OF AS THE CONVERSATION WENT AROUND.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU EXPLAINING THE FIXED BASIS THAT WE CAN KIND OF INTERCHANGE THE STATIC SIGNS AND RESPONSIVE SIGNS.

AND I ENCOURAGE STAFF THIS IS OBVIOUSLY NOT DIRECT FROM THE COUNCIL, BUT KNOWING THAT THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR SPENDING MORE MONEY AND MORE TIME IN A FUTURE AT A FUTURE TIME, YOU KNOW, WE LEARN A LOT FROM EVEN JUST HAVING THOSE COUPLE OF SIGNS MOVING AROUND THE CITY.

SO PUTTING THE ONES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN THE INVENTORY TO GOOD USE, FINDING OUT SOME THINGS ABOUT HOW THEY DEPLOY AND WHAT WE LIKE ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY, WHAT WE DON'T LIKE.

I REALLY ENCOURAGE US TO PUT THOSE AS MUCH USE AS WE AS WE PHYSICALLY CAN AS WE'RE DEVELOPING THE REST OF THE PROGRAM, THE REST OF THE CRITERIA.

IT'D BE IT'D BE A SHAME FOR THOSE TO SIT ON A SHELF WHILE WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF CITIZEN COMPLAINTS ABOUT SPEEDING RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF LOW COST THINGS WE CAN DO TO REDUCE SPEEDING RIGHT NOW, AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY KIND OF TO COUNCIL MEMBER BIRD'S POINT.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SPEEDING FOR A LONG TIME.

WE'VE MADE IT A BIG PRIORITY THIS YEAR.

MAYBE IT'S A SEMANTIC ONE AND MAYBE IT'S NOT, BUT WE PUT A BIG FOCUS ON IT BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR PEOPLE.

THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS.

THE STUDIES HAVE SAID THAT THEY ARE EFFECTIVE IN SCHOOL ZONES.

ARE THEY EFFECTIVE LONG TERM IN SCHOOL ZONES? ARE THEY EFFECTIVE FOR HELPING THE SCHOOL ZONE? IS A IS A BUY TIME A TRANSITIONAL ZONE? SOMETIMES IT'S ON, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT.

I KNOW THAT THE FLASHING LIGHTS ARE HELPFUL FOR FOLKS TO KNOW WHEN A SCHOOL ZONE IS IS ACTIVE.

HAVE THE STUDY SAID THAT IT'S USEFUL TO HAVE THESE KIND OF ALL THE TIME IN SCHOOL ZONES, AT LEAST DURING THE ACTIVE HOURS.

SO SOME OF THE RESULTS THAT SHOWED INCREASE IN SPEEDING THOSE WERE MOST PROMINENT IN SCHOOL ZONES BECAUSE RESIDENTS OR DRIVERS TYPICALLY DRIVE VERY SLOW THROUGH SCHOOL ZONES

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KNOWING THAT KIDS ARE OUT PLAYING.

AND SO WHEN THEY'RE DEPLOYED INAPPROPRIATELY IN THOSE SCHOOL ZONES, THEY SAW DRIVERS ACTUALLY INCREASING THEIR SPEEDS TO THE SCHOOL ZONE SPEED LIMIT INSTEAD OF DRIVING MORE CAUTIOUSLY AS THEY NORMALLY WERE.

SO THAT'S WHY MAKING SURE THAT IF WE ARE HAVING SPEEDING ISSUES IN THOSE SCHOOL ZONES AT THOSE TIMES, THEN YES, THE POINT ON THERE WOULD MAKE SENSE.

BUT IF WE ALREADY ARE OBSERVING PEOPLE DRIVING LOW IN THOSE AREAS, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DEPLOY THEM IN THOSE LOCATIONS.

THANKS VERY MUCH. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LET'S SEE.

AND. I'LL JUST SAY AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THE RECORD.

I'VE SAID IT A NUMBER OF TIMES, SO I'M JUST REPEATING.

WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO TALK TO THE FOLKS ON WALL STREET FOR, YOU KNOW, THAT STREET.

I WOULD SUGGEST SOMETHING TEMPORARY IN THE MIDDLE TO SNUG PEOPLE UP.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SENTIMENT THAT THEY'RE SAYING, THAT GOING TOO FAST.

I UNDERSTAND SNUG ING UP THE STREET SLOWS PEOPLE DOWN.

ALL THOSE THINGS CAN BE TRUE.

YOU PUT A PERMANENT FIX IN THERE WITHOUT EXPLAINING TO PEOPLE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.

BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF OTHER COMPLAINT I GET IS THE ROAD'S TOO NARROW, RIGHT? AND SO I JUST I JUST FULL DISCLOSURE, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THE RECORD TO SAY DO SOMETHING TEMPORARY OR HAVE AN INTENSE KIND OF MEETING WITH PEOPLE AND SAY, DO YOU WANT ARE YOU MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPEED OR NARROW STREETS? AND YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS AND ALLOW THEM TO DECIDE BEFORE YOU DO SOMETHING PERMANENT AND AND AND FACE RESIDENTS LIKE, OH NO, WHAT DID YOU DO TO MY STREET? I JUST I'M JUST JUST WANT TO DOCUMENT THAT.

AND THEN I WOULD SAY.

I'D BE CURIOUS TO TO REDEFINE EFFECTIVENESS.

WE TOUCHED ON IT A FEW TIMES, TO EFFECTIVENESS, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SOMEONE SAW VERSUS HOW FAST IT'S GOING.

RIGHT? I SAW A CAR DOING 50 AND IT WAS ONLY DOING 3540, RIGHT? SO JUST I'D LOVE TO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ELICIT THAT INFORMATION.

RIGHT. WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PUTTING PEOPLE.

BUT I JUST WOULD KIND OF SO I DON'T KNOW, A GOOD WAY TO HARVEST THAT INFORMATION.

BUT THAT TO ME IS EFFECTIVENESS IS THAT THAT THAT CHANGING DRIVER HABITS ONE BUT THEN ALSO EDUCATING PEOPLE THAT KIND OF MAY THINK THEY HAVE THEY HAVE IT THEIR CALIBER AND THEY UNDERSTAND HOW FAST THE CAR IS GOING BECAUSE THAT HELPS US ON BOTH FRONTS.

THEN I'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING FROM A SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE IT WHERE YOU CAN REPORT OR REQUEST SPEEDING OR REQUEST A REPORT, SPEEDING ISSUES, REQUEST OFFICERS IN THAT AREA, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YOU TALK ABOUT DATA.

IF EVEN IF WE COULD GET A MAP THAT SHOWS WHERE WHERE WE'RE WHERE TICKETS ARE ARE GIVEN, YOU KNOW, IF THAT IF THAT ADDRESS IS IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUT INTO A SPREADSHEET AND KIND OF PINPOINT, THEN WE CAN SHOW THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE ARE COVERING THE ENTIRE CITY.

WELL. AND THAT KIND OF THEN AGAIN, ALSO SPEAKS TO CONCERNS.

AND THEN THE THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS JUST FROM A REPORT, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST IF A NEIGHBOR SEES SOMEONE SPEEDING OR THEY'RE REGULARLY SEEING SOMEONE SPEEDING, WHAT DO THEY DO THAT I RECORD THAT PERSON DRIVING AND EMAIL IT TO STAT.

WHAT'S WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND PEOPLE DO TO REPORT AND DOCUMENT PEOPLE SPEEDING? SO THE BEST ADVICE THAT WE CAN GIVE IS IF IT'S A PARTICULAR VEHICLE OR A PARTICULAR TIME OF DAY TO INFORM PD THE NON-EMERGENCY CONTACT INFORMATION AND REPORT THAT VEHICLE OR THAT TIME OF DAY TO ADD THAT TO THE ROTATION FOR HIGH VISIBILITY ENFORCEMENT.

OKAY. AND IS THAT A PICTURE? IS THAT JUST WE GET THEM THROUGH, ENGAGE IN ON A REGULAR BASIS? AND THAT'S THE PROGRAM WE'VE BEEN USING, THE PLATFORM WE'VE BEEN USING TO RECEIVE THOSE REPORTS IS THROUGH ENGAGED IN OC.

SO ENGAGED IN WHATEVER INFORMATION.

YOU HAVE A PICTURE, GREAT. IF YOU HAVE JUST A VEHICLE DESCRIPTION, GREAT.

JUST SUBMIT IT THAT WAY AND IT GETS CAPTURED.

TIME OF DAY IS CRITICAL OC TIME OF DAY AND IF IT'S A PARTICULAR VEHICLE AT A CERTAIN TIME OF DAY REALLY NARROWS IT DOWN TO IDENTIFY THAT THAT OFFENDER.

GREAT. OC VERY GOOD.

THAT'S EVERYTHING I HAVE, BUT THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT. GREAT PRESENTATION THAT TAKES US TO ITEM C, OUR LAST WORK SESSION.

[C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the City creating Public Facility Corporations to partner with developers to develop affordable housing in Denton. *[Council Priority; Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

ITEM ID 221453.

RECEIVE REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE CITY CREATING PUBLIC FACILITIES CORPORATIONS TO PARTNER WITH, DEVELOP DEVELOPERS TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEN.

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WELL, I MADE IT UP HERE WITHOUT FALLING DOWN.

SO THAT'S A MAJOR ACCOMPLISHMENT.

I FEEL LIKE I'M DONE FOR THE DAY.

HI. DANNY SHORE, COMMUNITY SERVICES.

WE'RE HERE TO FOLLOW UP ON A TWO MINUTE PITCH MADE BY A COUNCIL MEMBER.

WATCH. REGARDING CREATING A PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION TO PARTNER WITH DEVELOPERS IN DEVELOPING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND DENTON.

SO FCS WERE AUTHORIZED BY CHAPTER 303 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.

IT DOES AUTHORIZE THE FORMATION OF A NONPROFIT CORPORATION BY A LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENTITY TO CREATE OR PROVIDE PROPERTY AND FUNDING FOR REAL PROPERTY OR PERSONAL PROPERTY OR MIXED PROPERTY FOR AS LONG AS IT'S USED FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE.

THE THE ENTITIES THAT ARE ELIGIBLE TO FORM A PFC ARE THOSE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENTITIES.

SO THE MUNICIPALITY, LIKE WE ARE A CITY COUNTY, A SCHOOL DISTRICT, A PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY OR A SPECIAL DISTRICT LIKE UTILITY DISTRICT OR A MUD WOULD BE A GOOD EXAMPLE.

NOW, THE PURPOSE OF THE PFC FOR THE CITY, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THIS PFC TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY, TO CONSTRUCT, REHABILITATE OR RENOVATE PROPERTY, REPAIR IT, EQUIP OR FURNISH OR PLACE INTO SERVICE A PUBLIC FACILITY WHICH AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOES FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.

IT ALSO PROVIDES AUTHORITIES TO ISSUE BONDS SO A SPONSOR COULD CREATE ONE OR MORE SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A SINGLE PFC ONE OR MORE NONPROFIT PUBLIC UTILITY CORPORATIONS TO ISSUE BONDS OR TO FINANCE THE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND EVEN TO LOAN THOSE PROCEEDS OF THE OBLIGATIONS TO OTHER ENTITIES.

ONCE THE PROJECT IS DONE.

THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS IN WHICH THE PFC DOES AND COULD OPERATE.

IT COULD JUST ENTER INTO A GENERAL PARTNERSHIP WITH A DEVELOPER WITHOUT ANY OTHER FINANCING OR ANY OTHER STRATEGIES FOR CREATING AFFORDABILITY.

AND THEN THE LAND WOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THE PFC FROM THE DEVELOPER AND THEN THE PSU THROUGH THAT LIMITED PARTNERSHIP OR GENERAL PARTNERSHIP WOULD LEASE IT BACK TO THE PARTNERSHIP AND THEN THE PROJECT WOULD GO FORWARD.

THERE'S ALSO THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM, SO IT COULD SUPPORT BEING A MEMBER AND A GENERAL PARTNERSHIP THERE OR A LIMITED PARTNERSHIP AND MAYBE A BOND ISSUER IF THE PFC WERE PART OF THAT, OR JUST VERY SIMPLY, THE PFC COULD BE THE BOND ISSUER FOR ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT THAT WOULD COME FORWARD.

NOW, THE KEY REQUIREMENT OF THIS PROGRAM IS THE LIMITATION THAT AT LEAST 50% OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS HAVE TO BE SET ASIDE FOR PEOPLE WHOSE INCOMES ARE AT OR BELOW 80% OF AMI. SO IT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO A COUPLE OF CITIES WHO FORM SOME FOLKS.

I TALKED TO FATE, TEXAS AND BURNEY, TEXAS, WHO WERE BOTH DOING SENIOR HOUSING PROJECTS UNDER THIS PROGRAM TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT INTO WHAT THEY WERE SEEING, BOTH FROM THE POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES OF FORMING A PFC TO DO THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.

SO I'VE GOT A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION FROM THEM.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES REALLY FOR FOR US WOULD BE INCENTIVIZING THE CREATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOWARDS OUR GOALS.

SO WE DO HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING STRATEGIC TOOLKIT THAT DOES HAVE GOALS TO PRODUCE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THEN ALSO HAS THE BENEFIT OF HELPING US AFFIRMATIVELY FURTHER OUR OWN FAIR HOUSING GOALS, WHICH ARE REQUIREMENTS OF HUD SINCE WE ARE AN ENTITLEMENT COMMUNITY.

THE OTHER BENEFIT IS IT COULD EXPAND THE CAPACITY OF HOUSING AUTHORITY.

WE'VE HEARD OVER TIME THAT THEY AREN'T ABLE TO MAYBE WORK WITH ALL THE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE COMING FORWARD.

SO THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND ON THAT OPPORTUNITY AND PROVIDE DEVELOPERS WITH ADDITIONAL OPTIONS.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES FOR ME AROUND THIS CONVERSATION IS REALLY ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE REVENUE.

SO WITH THESE UNRESTRICTED PROCEEDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, WE COULD OFFSET SOME PORTION OF WHAT WOULD BE A TAX EXEMPTION.

SO BECAUSE THESE PROJECTS ARE TAX EXEMPT, IT DOES GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REPLACE SOME OF THAT USING THOSE TAX OR THOSE PROCEEDS FOR SOME OF THOSE BENEFITS.

IT ALSO COULD HELP FUND SOME OF OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING STRATEGIES IN OUR TOOLKIT, WHICH WOULD BE A NICE AVAILABLE OPTION.

WE COULD ALSO THEN GRANT FUNDS TO OTHER PUBLIC ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS OR FUTURE PUBLIC PROJECTS.

SO GENERALLY WE COULD TAKE THESE FUNDS AND PUT THEM INTO OUR GRANT PROGRAMS AND AWARD THOSE OUT FOR SOCIAL SERVICES OR OTHER AFFORDABLE PROJECTS.

AND THEN WHAT IT ALSO PROVIDES IS IF THE CITY WERE A PART OF IT OR CREATING A PFC IS TO GIVE US A PLETHORA OF OPTIONS.

DAVID I GET POINTS FOR THAT NOW.

IT REALLY DOES GIVE US A LOT OF NEGOTIATING POWER IN THE DEAL.

I MADE A DEAL IF I COULD GET IT SNEAKING IN.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL HAVE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT A LOT AROUND AFFORDABILITY IS WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS, WHEN PROJECTS ARE COMING FORWARD IS ABOUT THAT DEEPER AFFORDABILITY. SO YOU SAW THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS WHERE 50% OF THE UNITS AT 80% OF AMI.

BUT WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO ARE AT THE LOWER INCOME RANGES.

SO BEING A PART OF THAT PART OF THAT NEGOTIATION, YOU COULD THEN MAKE SURE THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT IS OFFERING THOSE LOWER INCOME RANGES LIKE THE 30% OR 50% TO HELP THOSE

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REALLY THOSE REALLY LOW INCOME FOLKS ALSO GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT NEGOTIATING REVENUES.

SO THERE ARE REALLY THREE DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET REVENUES OFF OF A PROJECT.

FIRST, IN THE DEVELOPER FEES AND THE EQUITY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT.

BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE FEES ON A MONTHLY BASIS FROM THE OPERATIONS ITSELF.

AND THEN THE THIRD WAY IS EVENTUALLY IN THE SALE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

WE CAN NEGOTIATE GETTING SOME REVENUE OFF OF THAT IF THE DEVELOPMENT SELLS IN THE FUTURE.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT A LOT AND WE'VE COME FORWARD IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS AROUND VOUCHER HOLDERS AND SOURCE OF INCOME PROTECTION SO WE COULD NEGOTIATE THAT INTO AN AGREEMENT AND REQUIRE THAT THEY ACCEPT VOUCHERS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AS AN EXAMPLE.

ALL RIGHT. SO THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES TO, AS A REMINDER, THIS AS A PFC, IT IS A NONPROFIT CORPORATION.

SO EVERYTHING THAT IT DOES IS TAX EXEMPT.

AND THAT TAX EXEMPTION DOES EXTEND TO THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

SO IT'S NOT JUST THE CITY TAX EXEMPTION.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.

AND THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE TAX EXEMPTIONS FROM SALES TAX AS WELL FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ITEMS AS A DEVELOPMENT PARTNER, AS THE CITY, AS THE PFC, THERE MAY BE A CHANCE THAT WOULD BE COMING AT ODDS WITH P AND Z.

SO YOU WOULD BE BRINGING PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE AT THE P AND Z FOR CONSIDERATION.

BUT THEN IT'S ALSO A CITY PROJECT.

SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME CONFLICTS THERE.

THERE'D BE A COUPLE OF OTHER WAYS IN WHICH WE MIGHT COME INTO CONFLICT WITH OUR OWN FIRMLY FURTHERING FAIR HOUSING.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IF WE DO THIS, THAT WE'RE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

IT DOES REQUIRE SOME COMMITMENT OF RESOURCES.

SO IF WE DO FORM A PFC, YOU CAN RECOUP THE FUNDS FROM THAT PROJECT LATER, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME UPFRONT COSTS IN ORDER TO FORM IT AND DEVELOP IT AND JUST TO MANAGE SOME EXPECTATIONS.

IT'S NOT GOING TO CREATE HOUSING OVERNIGHT, SO IT WILL TAKE A WHILE TO BOTH CREATE THE HOUSING AND POTENTIAL FINANCIAL BENEFITS FROM PARTICIPATION IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN LASTLY, IT MIGHT BE PERCEIVED AS COMPETITION WHEN THE DENTON HOUSING AUTHORITY.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY DO IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY DO FORM FCS AND WORK WITH DEVELOPERS TO DEVELOP.

KIND OF THE NEXT THE LAST SLIDE HERE, JUST REAL QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE.

THE FIRST THING WOULD BE PREPARING BYLAWS AND THE CERTIFICATE OF FORMATION, WHICH WE WOULD THEN BRING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL.

IF COUNCIL APPROVES MOVING FORWARD WITH A PFC, THEN WE WOULD SUBMIT THOSE THOSE DOCUMENTS TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR APPROVAL AND THEN FILE FOR FRANCHISE RT TAX EXEMPTIONS AND AN IRON. SO IT WOULD BE ITS OWN INDEPENDENT ENTITY.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT FIRST ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING WHERE THEN WE WOULD ELECT OFFICERS AND DO ALL THOSE THINGS TO GET IT ESTABLISHED AS A AS A PFC.

SO WITH THAT SHORT PRESENTATION, BUT LOTS OF TIME FOR DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR YOU ALL IS ARE YOU WILLING TO DIRECT US TO CREATE A DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM AUTHORIZING THIS OR TAKE NO FURTHER ACTION? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.

SO I GUESS THE GOVERNANCE OF A PSC IS IS A SEPARATE BOARD LIKE ANY OF THE A LOT OF THE OTHER ENTITIES THAT WE DEAL WITH.

AND THEN THE IF IT'S THE CITY THAT'S CREATING THE PSC, THEN THE CITY APPOINTS THE BOARD MEMBERS.

IS THAT CORRECT? IN TERMS SPECIFIED BY THE STATUTE AND THERE'S A ROTATION, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SET UP CLASSES AND ROTATION AND THAT KIND OF STUFF? ABSOLUTELY. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT PREVENTS THE CITY FROM SETTING UP A PFC AND APPOINTING ITS GOVERNANCE, ITS OWN GOVERNING BODY, JUST LIKE THE EDP? BE IS THAT. THAT'S CORRECT.

THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE THE THE FORMING MEMBERS OF THE OF THE PFC.

SO THAT'S TYPICAL IN MOST OF THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS.

OR IF A SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES, IT WOULD BE THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS.

YOU CAN APPOINT SOME STAFF TO POSITIONS, NOT THE NOT THE THREE LEADERSHIP POSITIONS OF CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND SECRETARY, BUT YOU COULD ALSO APPOINT STAFF OR YOU COULD APPOINT OUTSIDE MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY TO BE.

SO YOU HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY IN THAT WAY.

IT'D BE SIMILAR TO WHERE THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR DM FOR INSTANCE.

THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S A ALMOST LIKE A BUSINESS UNIT OF THE CITY, BUT A SEPARATE LEGAL CORPORATION.

YES. AND THEN SO FCS CAN BE USED FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO USE THE SAME PFC FOR DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES? SO ONE PURPOSE MAY BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SOME OTHER CITY MIGHT USE IT FOR A JOINT USE FACILITY FOR LIKE A STADIUM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

OR CAN YOU USE A PFC FOR THE SAME PFC FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES, OR WOULD YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DECLARED PURPOSE OF THE PFC? LIKE THIS ONE IS FOR BUILDING A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP PARKING GARAGE.

THIS ONE OVER HERE IS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ONLY.

THIS ONE OVER HERE IS FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

YEAH, IT'S ALLOWABLE.

YOU COULD CREATE A SINGLE PFC.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, LEWISVILLE JUST APPROVED, CREATED A SINGLE PFC TO ENTER INTO MULTIPLE PROJECTS.

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BUT USING THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AS AN EXAMPLE, THEY CREATE A PFC FOR EACH PROJECT AND THERE ARE PLUSES AND MINUSES TO THAT.

THE BIGGEST PLUS TO CREATING DIFFERENT ONES IS IF THE THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH A DEVELOPER OR ANY OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, IT DOESN'T CREATE SOME STICKING POINT FOR THE PFC IN THE FUTURE TO WORK ON OTHER PROJECTS.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, KIND OF AVOIDS CONFLICTS, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THERE'S JUST IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY.

SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT, BUT YOU CAN DO IT EITHER WAY.

MY LAST QUESTION IS, AND IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE ANSWERING THIS, WE DO HAVE A JOINT MEETING COMING UP, BUT HAVE THERE BEEN CONVERSATIONS WITH HOUSING AUTHORITY KNOWING THAT THIS THE PITCH WAS MADE AND THAT THE CITY IS EXPLORING THIS IDEA AND GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY AND THAT WE'VE GOT A JOINT MEETING COMING UP? HAVE WE HAD ANY FEEDBACK SO FAR FROM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY GIVEN THAT WE KNOW THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO MEET THE CAPACITY THAT THE MARKET IS REALLY LOOKING FOR IN DENTON? NO, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY INTENTIONAL CONVERSATION DIRECTLY THAT WE WERE EXPLORING THIS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCILMAN BURT? I HEARD YOU MENTION SEVERAL WORDS, AND I THINK THAT I HEARD YOU MENTIONED REQUIREMENT.

SO WHEN WE DEVELOPED THIS PROGRAM, WHICH BY THE WAY, I WOULD FOUR YEARS FOR THAT DEVELOPING THE PROGRAM FOR AUTHORIZING THE FORMATION OF IT, IS IS MOST OF THIS GOING TO BE WE ARE HOPING THAT YOU WOULD VERSUS NOW YOU'RE REQUIRED TO WORK WITH US.

HOW DOES THAT WORK? YEAH, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS NOT A REQUIREMENT TO PARTICIPATE WITH US, WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT HOUSING AUTHORITY IS ALSO ASKED FOR IN THE PAST, BUT THAT IT WOULD BE AN OPTION TO PARTNER WITH US.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY IN OUR YOU'VE CURRENTLY APPROVED FUNDING TO DEVELOP AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, A DEVELOPER INCENTIVE PACKAGE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE COULD DEVELOP THIS, PUT IT INSIDE THAT PACKAGE AND BE AN OPTION THAT A DEVELOPER MIGHT WANT TO WORK WITH US ALONG WITH OTHER OPTIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO THAT'D BE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, WHICH WOULDN'T BE A REQUIREMENT, BUT WOULD GIVE THEM AN OPTION FOR INCENTIVES TO POTENTIALLY CREATE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? PRO TEM. MR. MAYOR. SO THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE DA WAS WAS ONE THAT I HAD AS WELL.

AND SORT OF IN YOUR SLIDES, I SAW A POINT THAT I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND.

I'M HOPING YOU CAN HELP CLARIFY FOR ME.

IN ONE SENSE, WE WERE SAYING WE COULD EXTEND THE DA.

IN ANOTHER SENSE, WE WERE SAYING WE WOULD BE IN COMPETITION WITH THE DA OR AT LEAST PERCEIVED AS CAN.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THOSE TWO ENDPOINTS OR HOW THEY CONNECT AND HOW WE COULD OR COULD NOT WORK WITH THE DA AND AND EXTEND IT VERSUS.

AND THEN I HAVE SOME FOLLOW UPS.

SURE. SO I THINK THE BIGGEST IS IT IS WE'VE HEARD AND YOU HAVE ALL HEARD DEVELOPERS COME FORWARD AND EXPLAIN THAT THEY MAY HAVE REACHED OUT TO DA AND WASN'T ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM FOR VARIOUS REASONS.

SO THE POSITIVE WOULD BE WE WOULD EXTEND THAT CAPACITY.

SO WHERE THEY CAN'T DO A DEAL, WE COULD COME IN AND ALSO DO A DEAL, RIGHT? SO WE WERE JUST DOUBLING OUR ABILITY TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THAT WAY.

BUT THERE IS THAT POTENTIAL AND WE JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT THAT IT MIGHT BE SEEN OR PERCEIVED AS COMPETITION WITH THE HRA IF THEY'RE NOT HAVING ACCESS TO ALL THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO JUST WANTED TO JUST SHOW BOTH SIDES.

SO FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, THEN IF WE IS THERE, WHAT'S TO PRECLUDE US FROM FROM OKAY, SO LET ME BACK UP A HALF STEP.

THERE WOULD BE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO IF THIS WAS A NON ONE TIME USE, AS COUNCILOR DAVIS WAS DESCRIBING, AND INSTEAD WE WERE DOING A REUSABLE PFC.

THERE WOULD BE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN IN TERMS OF A BOARD, STAFF TIME OR ADDITIONAL STAFF RESOURCES, VARIOUS INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAINTAIN THIS IN THE WAY THAT VHA HAS INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT MONEY TOWARDS WHETHER IT WAS RECOUPED OR NOT.

HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THAT GOES WITH MAYBE JUST USING THAT SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY TO EXTEND THE LEVERAGE AND CAPACITY OF THE ITSELF? IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT OUTSIDE OF A PFC? YEAH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT PRECLUDES THAT OPPORTUNITY.

WE COULD COLLABORATE, WE COULD DO THINGS JOINTLY.

WE COULD DO THINGS SEPARATELY.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN ANY OF THIS CONVERSATION THAT WOULD PRECLUDE ANY OF THAT FROM HAPPENING.

BUT COULD WE DO THAT REGARDLESS OF THE PFC? WE WE CAN ENHANCE THE DATA RIGHT NOW AND NOT HAVE THOSE OVERLAPPING INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES.

WELL, THAT WOULD BE COUNCIL JUST DISCUSSION.

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SURE. AND THEN.

SO CAN YOU GIVE ME A FEEL FOR.

YOU SAID YOU ENCOUNTERED ONES IN BERNIE.

AND THEN FATE.

FATE. AND SO HOW HOW MUCH ARE THESE USED IN IN DEVELOPING? SORT OF AND I THINK THE INTEREST.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN COUNCILOR WATSON'S MOUTH, BUT THE SENSE I HEARD WAS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

HE SEEMED TO BE FOCUSING AGAINST THE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH A PFC, WE SHOULD PROBABLY BRING THAT UP NOW.

BUT I SENSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS A FOCUS.

SO HOW MUCH IS THIS GENERALLY USED IN IN TEXAS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING? YEAH, SO IT'S A RELATIVELY NEW AUTHORIZATION IN THE CODE.

SO IT REALLY CAME ABOUT IN 2015.

SO THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF TIME TO DEVELOP IT.

AND SO THERE IS SOME THERE IS SOME STUDY.

LARGER CITIES ARE USING IT EFFECTIVELY LIKE SAN ANTONIO, BUT SMALLER CITIES.

AND DA WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PROJECTS IN 2019 TO INCORPORATE THIS WITH THE 1851 PROJECT.

AND IT'S JUST GROWING NOW, SO IT IS GETTING MORE POPULAR IN ITS USAGE OVER TIME.

SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF EXAMPLES.

THAT'S WHY I WENT TO FATE AND BERNIE SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE THEY ARE CITIES THAT ARE DEVELOPING SPECIFICALLY AROUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THEY TEND TO BE FOCUSED ON SPECIFIC PROJECTS OR THEY'RE USED GENERALLY.

YEAH, THEY'RE RIGHT NOW IN FADE AND BERNIE BOTH.

AND IN FACT WHAT LOUIS WAS DISCUSSION WAS TWO THOSE PROJECTS ARE ALL ABOUT SENIOR HOUSING.

SO THEY'RE KIND OF TARGETING THE 55 AND OLDER GROUPS FOR THE FOR THOSE PROJECTS, BUT THEY'RE PHCS LIKE LEWISVILLE DOESN'T HAVE A PROJECT.

THEY JUST DECIDED TO DEVELOP THE PFC FIRST WITH FATE AND BERNIE.

THEY DEVELOPED THE PFC SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SINGULAR PROJECT, RIGHT? AND SO THEY MAY DO THEY MAY DO OTHER FCS IN THE FUTURE DEPENDING ON HOW THESE PROJECTS WORK OUT.

AND MY LAST QUESTION IS THERE WAS I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED IN THE SLIDES, AND I'M SURE IT'S JUST MY MY MISUNDERSTANDING.

SO CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND THERE WAS SORT OF SOME AREAS THAT WE ALIGNED WITH HUD AND OVERSIGHT AND AREAS WHERE WE MIGHT NOT CAN CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT WHERE IF WE GO DOWN THIS AVENUE. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT DEAL WE LOOK AT, IF WE WERE TO DO THIS, THAT WE WOULDN'T GO AGAINST OUR OWN POLICIES ON AFFIRMATIVELY FURTHERING FAIR HOUSING.

THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING TOWARDS.

SO IF WE WE PUT IT IN AN AREA WHERE WE'RE CONTINUALLY CONCENTRATING OR IF WE DO CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE ARE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT IN OUR FAIR HOUSING GOALS, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO BE CONTRARY TO THAT FROM A HUD PERSPECTIVE OR FEDERAL PERSPECTIVE.

SO JUST BEING CAREFUL WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, WHAT WE INCENTIVIZE, WE DON'T WANT TO INCENTIVIZE.

I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER THE EXAMPLE I USE, BUT WE WOULDN'T WANT TO INCENTIVIZE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE AGE DISCRIMINATION OR THOSE JUST THOSE GENERAL FAIR HOUSING LAWS, TOO.

SO, OKAY.

WELL, I THINK I CAN I CAN SORT OF GIVE DIRECTION AT THIS MOMENT.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, SORT OF WE'RE NOT SURE IF WE'RE GOING TO USE SINGLE USE OR REUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO.

WE HAVEN'T TALKED WITH DA YET, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WHERE IT'S LIKE, WELL, THIS COULD BE THIS WAY OR IT COULD BE THAT WAY.

I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH PROVIDING DIRECTION TO DO THAT AT THIS TIME.

I'M NOT A, YOU KNOW, NEVER, EVER, EVER, NEVER.

BUT I THINK I NEED MORE INFORMATION BEFORE I'D FEEL COMFORTABLE PUSHING FORWARD TO DEVELOP SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S WE'RE SORT OF NEBULOUS AND VAGUE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMEMBER MAGUIRE? DAN MCGEE. I THINK THAT MY DIRECTION IS GOING TO STAY PRETTY CLOSELY TO THAT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT A PFC IS IS THAT IF AT SOME POINT THE CITY WANTS TO PARTNER WITH A DEVELOPER ON A PROJECT, IT MIGHT BE A GREAT CHOICE.

BUT I DON'T SEE ANY NEED TO, I GUESS, DIRECT STAFF TO TO CREATE A PFC WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A PARTICULAR PROJECT IN MIND.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO, TO SUPPORT AND EXPAND THEIR CAPACITY WHILE LEAVING THE DOOR OPEN FOR THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE CITY COULD COULD ALSO WORK IN THAT SPACE TO IF THE OPPORTUNITY ARISES.

YEAH AND I APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK FOR BOTH SIDES, WHICH IS WHY THIS IS SORT OF WORDED THIS WAY IS HELPING US.

IF WE WANTED TO CREATE A DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM AROUND CREATING A PFC, WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY CREATE ONE YET.

BUT JUST DOING THE THE PROGRAM PARAMETERS AROUND IT AND HAVING THAT AVAILABLE SHOULD YOU WANT TO DO IT IN THE FUTURE.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK.

THANKS. THAT'S MCGEE.

MR. MAYOR, CAN I HEAR FROM MR. WATTS FIRST? BECAUSE I APPRECIATE HE MADE THE PITCH.

THANK YOU. YEAH, I DON'T.

I DON'T KNOW. JUST INDULGE ME SO WE CAN RUN OUT THESE LAST 10 MINUTES.

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OH, CAN I USE THE LAST NAME? YES, GO AHEAD. WELL, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS.

LET ME FIRST SAY THAT IN NO WAY IS THIS COUNCILMEMBER OR MAYOR PRO TEM I'M OUT OF MISHEARD YOU, BUT WHEN YOU SAID THAT SOMEHOW THIS WAS AGAINST DHEA AND NO WAY IS MY PITCH OR THIS POTENTIAL PROGRAM AGAINST DHEA, THE FACTS ARE THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN THIS COMMUNITY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM REALLY, IN THIS COMMUNITY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT 80% OF MEDIAN INCOME.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM AT 30, 45, 50 AND 65%.

WHAT WAS SAID IN AN EARLIER PRESENTATION.

IF YOU'RE NOT AT THE TABLE.

YOU GET EATEN. WE ARE NOT AT THE TABLE WHEN THE DENTON HOUSING AUTHORITY DOES THESE PROJECTS.

THEN HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS THE RIGHT TO DO ALL THE PROJECTS THEY WANT.

THEY TURN DOWN A PROJECT THAT WAS FOR 35, 30, 45, 50, AND MAXIMUM 65%.

AREA MEDIAN INCOME FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THEY JUST APPROVED OR THEY WERE GOING TO CONSIDER A PARTNERSHIP WITH ANOTHER DEVELOPER FOR APARTMENTS OUT ON EAST MCKINNEY STREET.

THAT WAS A COMBINATION.

IT WAS UNDER THIS PFC.

IS THAT A PFC? THE REQUIREMENT IS ONLY 50% OF THE UNITS HAVE TO BE AT 80% OR LESS.

SO I UNDERSTAND WE CAN HAVE ALL THE CONVERSATIONS WITH DA WE WANT.

WE CAN HAVE ALL THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

THIS IS NOT IN COMPETITION WITH THEM.

IT'S NOT IN COLLABORATION WITH THEM.

IF THEY CAN'T DO IT, WE CAN DO IT.

BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT PROVIDING TRUE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO TRULY NEED THE HELP, NOT AT 80% OF MEDIAN INCOME, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STEP UP AND PROVIDE THE TOOLS AVAILABLE SO WE CAN KEEP HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.

WE CAN KEEP GOING FORWARD.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT SLIDE THAT SAYS, WHAT DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE IF WE HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE? I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY PEOPLE SITTING ON THIS DAIS HAS NEGOTIATED VERY MANY REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS, HAS RUN MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT BUILDINGS, HAD TO DEAL WITH AFFORDABILITY AND NOT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SEAT AT THAT TABLE, YOU HAVE NOTHING.

IF YOU CAN'T SAY WHAT THOSE RATES ARE, IF YOU CAN'T SAY WHAT THOSE PERCENTAGES ARE, IF YOU CAN'T REQUIRE AND THIS WAS NEW TO ME, YOU'RE SAYING THAT A PFC COULD REQUIRE THAT YOU DON'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST INCOME SOURCE, CORRECT.

THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE.

YOU CAN NEGOTIATE SECTION EIGHT VOUCHERS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT YOU CAN'T USE A VETERAN DISABILITY OR SOME OTHER SOURCE OF INCOME.

THAT'S NOT A QUOTE UNQUOTE, EARNED INCOME AGAINST SOMEONE.

I'VE NEVER HEARD IN ANY PROJECT THAT HAS COME BEFORE US ANY OF THOSE KIND OF CONDITIONS.

WE'VE NEVER BEEN ASKED TO BE AT THE TABLE OF THOSE CONDITIONS.

SO THIS ISN'T ABOUT BEING ANTI DENTON HOUSING AUTHORITY.

THIS IS ABOUT IF WE ARE SERIOUS AS A CITY, WHICH WE'VE PASSED THESE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOOLKIT, WHICH QUITE FRANKLY I'M GOING TO BE FRANK, IT'S SO MINIMAL RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE AT ALL IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.

THAT'S NOT ANY CRITICISM AGAINST STAFF.

I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GIVE $100,000 TO LANDLORDS TO FIX UP THEIR PROPERTIES TO PAY FOR AFFORDABLE RENT WHEN THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET MORE RENT THAN WHAT THEY WERE ASKING BEFORE, BEFORE WE PAID TO HAVE THEM FIX IT UP.

BUT WE HAVE A CRISIS.

WE DON'T HAVE IT.

AT 79% OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME, THERE ARE PLENTY OF DEVELOPERS THAT WILL WANT TO COME IN, GET EXEMPT FROM CITY TAXES, SCHOOL DISTRICT TAXES AND COUNTY TAXES TO PROVIDE 79% OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME OF ONLY 50% OF THOSE UNITS.

SO WE CAN KEEP TALKING ALL WE WANT, BUT UNTIL WE DEVELOP A PROGRAM WHERE WE CAN ACT IN CONCERT WITH AND AS A BACKUP TO THE DENTON HOUSING AUTHORITY, WHEN THEY CAN'T TAKE A PROJECT OR FOR SOME REASON AND FOR WHO KNOWS WHAT REASON, AND TAKE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE TRULY HELPING PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AFFORD THE RENTS, WHICH ARE 65% AREA MEDIAN INCOME AND LESS.

WE'RE JUST GIVING LIP SERVICE SO WE CAN SPEND ALL OUR TIME.

NOBODY SAYING WE CREATE THIS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE SAYING IT BECOMES AN OPTION, IT BECOMES A TOOL AND A TOOL KIT.

WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH VHA.

MAYBE THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR POSITION.

WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION, WHAT WAS IT, FOUR YEARS AGO, FIVE YEARS AGO? SOMETHING A LOT, MAYBE LESS THAN THAT, 2015.

BUT THE POINT IS, WE'RE LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE AND WE'RE LEAVING PEOPLE OUT WHERE THEY CANNOT AFFORD UNITS BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING RENTED, 50% OF THEM AT MARKET RATE, AND THEN THE 50% AND THE STANDARD IS LESS THAN 80% OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME.

IT DOESN'T SAY YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SO MANY AT 50%, DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE SO MANY 30.

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THEY COULD NEGOTIATE THAT.

WE CAN NEGOTIATE THAT.

SO I JUST PUT THIS OUT THERE.

THAT'S UP TO THIS COUNCIL TO DECIDE.

I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S A IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO HAVE THIS AS AN OPTION, THIS IS A.

CASE BY CASE DECISION.

IF SOMEONE CAME TO US LIKE THE DEVELOPER THAT DAY, DECIDED THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY COULDN'T WORK WITH THEM AT THAT TIME, UNDER THAT PROGRAM, WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPTION.

SO GUESS WHAT THEY DID.

THEY CHOSE A CORPORATION OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY.

OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY.

AND THOSE DEVELOPER FEES AND THAT AND SOMEONE ELSE OUTSIDE OF OUR COUNTY.

LISTEN TO ME, PEOPLE.

SOMEONE OUTSIDE OF OUR COUNTY IS NEGOTIATING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN OUR CITY AND OUR COUNTY.

THAT'S PATHETIC.

WE NEED TO HAVE A VOICE AT THAT TABLE.

AND SO IF WE WANT TO KEEP GIVING LIP SERVICE TO IT, THAT'S FINE.

BUT I WILL KEEP COMING BACK TO SAY.

LET'S DO SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO.

WE CAN ACTUALLY CREATE SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY MAY WANT BECAUSE WE CAN TALK TO THE COWS, COME HOME, AND PEOPLE ARE STILL KNOCKING ON DOORS.

HEY, DO YOU HAVE RENT THAT I CAN AFFORD? NO. WE DON'T BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO, BECAUSE WE RENT 50% OF THEM AT $4,500 A MONTH FOR A TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH, AND WE CAN RENT THE REST FOR 12 OR 1300 BECAUSE THAT'S 79% OF OUR MEDIAN INCOME.

SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT IS DOING IN LIEU OF AGAINST THE DENTON HOUSING AUTHORITY.

AND AS LONG AS THAT KEEPS BEING THE NARRATIVE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP FLOUNDERING AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP NOT PROVIDING OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THIS COUNCIL LAST YEAR APPROVES SEVEN PROJECTS.

RESOLUTIONS OF SUPPORT FOR SEVEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS.

I'M NOT SURE IF ANY OF THOSE HAVE NECESSARILY COME FORWARD.

THE ONE THAT DID COME FORWARD THIS LAST TIME THAT THEY WORKED WITH SOMEONE OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY.

THEY WERE REQUIRED, THEY COULD NOT LEASE TO ANYONE OVER 65 BECAUSE THAT WAS A 4%, I BELIEVE, 4% TAX CREDIT.

THE PATHWAYS WAS 4%.

YES. SO I SOUND PASSIONATE ABOUT IT BECAUSE I AM BECAUSE I SEE IT EVERY DAY.

I SEE IT EVERY DAY.

AND UNTIL WE DECIDE TO REALLY STEP UP, PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS, IT'S JUST LIP SERVICE.

AND THIS ISN'T ABOUT CREATING OPPOSITION TO DENTON HOUSING AUTHORITY.

IT'S NOT ABOUT SAYING WE CAN WORK WITH YOU.

I MEAN, GIVING THEM MORE MONEY.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW WE WOULD DO THAT.

THIS THING TAKES VERY LITTLE MONEY.

I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT ISSUING BONDS.

ALL YOU HAVE IS MAYBE A STAFF MEMBER.

THAT'S PART OF THEIR OTHER. IT'S VERY, VERY LIMITED RESOURCES.

AND YOU CAN RECUPERATE THAT BACK IN THE DEVELOPMENT FEES THAT ARE PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER.

AND ISN'T IT ABOUT COMPETITION? DO WE WANT TO SAY WE DON'T WANT TO AT LEAST HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP OUR CITIZENS BECAUSE WE THINK SOMEHOW IT'S GOING TO BE PERCEIVED AS COMPETITION? THAT'S LUDICROUS.

I MEAN, THAT IS LUDICROUS.

SO I'M ALL FOR THIS BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE NOT CREATING SOMETHING FOR SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE.

IT'S SAYING, GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY IF SOMETHING COMES FORWARD.

WE'VE GOT THE GUIDELINES SET, WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING IN PLACE THAT ALL WE'VE GOT TO DO IS NOW DECIDE ON THE PROJECT.

BUT IF WE DON'T DO THAT, SOMEBODY COULD COME TO US TOMORROW AND SAY, WELL.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TO HELP US.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GO OUTSIDE THE COUNTY.

AND IF IT'S A 4% DEAL, WE HAVE NO SAY IN THAT.

WE HAVE NO SAY IN THAT AND WE HAVE NO SAY WHERE THE FEES GO.

WE HAVE NO SAY HOW MANY, HOW MUCH THE RENT IS.

WE HAVE NO SAY IN THE UNIT MIX AND THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME SPLIT.

WE HAVE NO SAY.

AND IS IT INCOME DISCRIMINATION? WE GET EATEN. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT AT THE TABLE.

SO ME PERSONALLY, I WANT TO BE AT THE TABLE.

AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT AND I'VE ALWAYS ACTED LIKE THAT.

IT HASN'T JUST BEEN WORDS.

SO MY DIRECTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROGRAM, TO DEVELOP THE PROGRAM, NOT TO AUTHORIZE THE CREATION OF ONE, BUT TO DEVELOP THE PROGRAM IF WE NEED ONE.

WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL.

I'M SORRY, MAN. I DID ALMOST TAKE THE.

NO, IT'S ALL GOOD, COUNSELOR MCGEE.

OK. I APPRECIATE THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOUR INTENTION WITH CREATING THIS.

AND I DO I DO SHARE THOSE SENTIMENTS.

I AGREE. INTENTIONS ARE NOT.

OPTICS ALSO MATTER TO ME, SO I'M CERTAINLY NOT A NO.

I FAVOR DOING THIS.

PERHAPS AFTER WE HAVE OUR JOINT MEETING IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, JUST SO I CAN UNDERSTAND.

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JUST SO I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW D.R.

WORKS. I HAVE HEARD SOME RUMBLINGS AROUND THE COMMUNITY THAT PERHAPS D.R.

IS DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH. SO I UNDERSTAND WHY THAT ORGANIZATION WENT TO MARBLE FALLS TO GET THE OK DEAL WITHIN THE CITY OF DENTON.

I AGREE. THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME.

SO I.

I HONESTLY WOULD FAVOR DOING THIS AFTER WE HAVE THAT JOINT MEETING.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IF WE CAN TABLE THIS.

SO PERHAPS I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS TO YOU.

I'M I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE TO MOVE FORWARD RIGHT NOW.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT D.R.

FIRST. OKAY.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF DIRECTION.

SO THANK YOU. IT MEANS NO FOR NOW AND THEN.

FOR NOW. AND IF SOMEONE BRINGS IT BACK, THEN IT COMES BACK.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S WE GOT TO GIVE A DECISION TODAY.

SO THE ANSWER YOUR ANSWER IS NOTED, COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MARY. I ASKED QUESTIONS EARLIER BUT DIDN'T GIVE MY DIRECTION.

MY DIRECTION WOULD BE TO DEVELOP THE PROGRAM, TO START, SPEND THE STAFF TIME ON THE PROGRAM.

LIKE COUNCILMEMBER WHITE SAID, IT MEANS IT'S IN THE TOOLBOX.

AND RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT AVAILABLE.

IF A DEVELOPER, THE PERFECT DEVELOPER, CAME IN THE DOOR TOMORROW.

AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, JUST LIKE THE LAST ONE WAS NOT ABLE TO MEET THEIR NEEDS TO MAKE THE DEAL WORK, THEN THAT DEVELOPER CANNOT DEVELOP A DENTON THEY HAVE TO GO FIND THAT PSC ELSEWHERE AND.

WE HAVE DECIDED ALREADY THAT WE WANT TO BE A PLAYER IN THIS SPACE.

WE HAVE PASSED THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOOLKIT.

I HAVE TO AGREE, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IT IS IT IS FULL OF EXCELLENT DATA AND EXCELLENT INTENTIONS AND THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO KIND OF NIBBLE AROUND THE EDGE OF THE PROBLEM.

BUT IF WE WANT TO SIT HERE IN THESE CHAMBERS AND SAY THAT WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT TACKLING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE PLAYERS IN THE SPACE ARE THE DEVELOPERS, THE PEOPLE WITH THE CAPITAL TO BUILD THESE UNITS, THE PEOPLE WITH THE RESOURCES TO MANAGE THEM LONG TERM, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTIVE IN THE SPACE, THAT'S THAT'S REALLY NOT NOT US.

WE ARE ACTIVE IN OTHER PARTS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE ARE NOT ACTIVE IN THIS SPACE.

AND SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO DIRECT POLICY AND TO SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT IN THIS CITY IF WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY A PART OF MAKING IT HAPPEN, HAPPEN IN THE CITY.

SO THAT PROJECT ISN'T RIGHT IN FRONT OF US, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PICK A SPECIFIC SET OF BYLAWS AND A SPECIFIC WAY OF RUNNING THE PFC OR WHETHER WE NEED ONE FOR EACH PROJECT OR ONE UMBRELLA PFC THAT WE USE OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE THAT.

WE CAN ASK STAFF TO DEVELOP A PROGRAM THAT WE CAN USE IN THE FUTURE.

AND I'LL SAY THIS, COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE NEED TO HEAR FROM DA.

THEY NEED TO COME TO US KNOWING THAT THIS IS THE CONVERSATION, BECAUSE THE HISTORY WITH THAT ORGANIZATION SO FAR SINCE ITS CREATION HAS BEEN THAT WE DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT.

DA GO TO THEIR WEBSITE TODAY, SEE IF YOU CAN WATCH A VIDEO OF ANY OF THEIR BOARD MEETINGS.

YOU CAN'T SEE IF YOU CAN FIND THE MINUTES OF THEIR LAST THE LAST QUARTER.

YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE IF YOU CAN FIND OUT WHAT IT IS THAT THEY TALK ABOUT.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE TIME AS A CITIZEN TO GO DOWN AND SPEND THE HOURS WAITING THROUGH EXECUTIVE SESSION BEFORE THEY START THE BUSINESS PART OF THE MEETING, TO BE A PART OF THAT MEETING AND HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU CAN'T AND THIS HAS BEEN A PERENNIAL ISSUE, I THINK, SOMETHING I CERTAINLY WANT TO TALK WITH THEM ABOUT.

AND IF THEY'RE NOT, FOR WHATEVER REASON, ABLE TO TO MEET THE NEED THAT WE SEE IN THE COMMUNITY.

THERE'S NOT REALLY A VEHICLE FOR US TO HELP THEM ALONG IN THAT.

THEY ARE A SEPARATE ENTITY, THEY ARE SEPARATE LEGAL ENTITY.

THEY'RE NOT LIKE A PFC WHERE WE COULD SET IT UP OR WE'D BE THE BOARD OF THAT ENTITY WHERE WE WOULD BE MAKING THE DECISIONS AND NEGOTIATING.

THERE ARE A WHOLE NOTHER ANIMAL, REGARDLESS OF WHO APPOINTS THEIR BOARD.

THERE ARE A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING.

AND I HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT GOES ON OVER THERE.

THANK YOU. AND SO.

ANYONE ELSE. SEEING NOTHING FOR ME.

IT'S I WANT TO DIRECT THOSE TRACKING ALONG BECAUSE I THINK THIS I DISAGREE.

AND THIS IS WHAT WHAT REALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION WHEN THIS WAS POINTED OUT TO ME.

I DISAGREE THAT THERE'S ANY CONFLICT AT ALL AS FAR AS COMPETING INTERESTS, BECAUSE I DIRECT THOSE TRACKING ALONG TO GO TO HUD.GOV.

AND IF YOU GO TO THE 2022, 2026 HUD STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK, AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THEIR STRATEGIC GOAL NUMBER ONE, AND THIS IS ONE B AND IT NOTES REDUCE HOMELESSNESS AND IT SAYS STRENGTHEN FEDERAL, STATE, TRIBAL AND COMMUNITY AND IMPLEMENTATION OF HOUSING FIRST APPROACH TO REDUCING PREVALENCE OF HOMELESS WITH THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF ENDING HOMELESSNESS.

GREAT. THAT IS A NOBLE GOAL.

BUT WHAT COUNCILMAN WATTS TOUCHED ON IS OUR TARGET IN THIS WOULD BE HOUSING FOR TEACHERS, FOR

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PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE COUNTY JAIL, THOSE THAT ARE NOT HOMELESS.

RIGHT. THEIR MISSION, HUD'S MISSION IS TO MEET A DIFFERENT CLASS OF PEOPLE.

WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW IS WE NEED TO THAT MISSING MIDDLE THAT THAT THAT SINGLE MOM, THAT SINGLE DAD OR THAT DUAL WORKING HOUSEHOLDS THAT JUST CAN'T MAKE ENDS MEET.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE MISSING.

THAT'S WHERE WE COULD STEP UP WITH THE RIGHT PROJECT AND KIND OF SUPPORT THOSE GROUPS IN ADDITION TO OTHERS.

BUT JUST KIND OF THE MISSIONS ARE DIFFERENT AND SO WE CAN TIER THOSE.

AND THEN AND THEN I'LL JUST SAY I AM LASER FOCUSED.

MY DUTY IS TO THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF DENTON, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHO'S ON ANY OTHER BOARD OR ANY OTHER ENTITY.

I AM LASER FOCUSED ON GETTING THE BEST OPPORTUNITIES, BEST DEALS TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF DENTON TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.

AND SO THAT GUIDES MY DECISION HERE.

AND JUST IT'S A FACT.

WE HAVE A WAITING LIST THAT HAS NOT MOVED FOR WHATEVER REASON.

AND SO IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT THE CITIZENS THAT DENTON AND THE TEACHERS AND THE THE HARD WORKING FOLKS OF THE CITY OF DENTON THAT NEED HELP WITH MANAGING.

AND IT'S NOT AND IT'S NOT.

IT'S WORKFORCE HOUSING, RIGHT? IT'S JUST KIND OF THE ABILITY TO KIND OF FOCUS IN THERE AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO HELP HERE.

OR IF A COMMUNITY IF A DEVELOPMENT'S GOING TO LEAVE OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SAY, HEY, GIVE US A SEAT AT THE TABLE BEFORE YOU GO TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY.

SO FOR THAT REASON AND MANY OTHERS AND I THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS I WON'T I WON'T BELABOR YOUR POINTS, BUT THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT AND THEY'RE THEY'RE NOTEWORTHY TO ME.

AND I SHARE THOSE SAME CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE AS AN ENTITY BROADCAST ALL OUR MEETINGS.

AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE THEM IN TWO LANGUAGES AND FOUR.

I CAN'T SUPPORT ANY GOVERNMENTAL INSTITUTION IF WE CAN DO THAT.

THE BARE MINIMUM YOU COULD DO IS FIRE UP A CAMERA IN THE CORNER AND DO IT FACE TIME, LIVE, DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST THAT IT IS CRITICAL THAT I BE ABLE TO RESPOND WHEN CITIZENS SAY, WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING, WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT ENTRY LEVEL COSTS, ETC., THAT WE DO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE BECAUSE I'M I'M DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE MENU.

THAT'S THAT'S NOT A THAT'S NOT A THAT'S NOT A GOAL OF MINE.

SO MY, MY DIRECTION WOULD BE TO AGAIN SET A FRAMEWORK SO THAT WE CAN PIVOT.

NO DIFFERENT THAN LEWISVILLE, RIGHT.

IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT. RIGHT.

I MEAN, WELL THEY DID THE NEXT STEP, SO THEY ACTUALLY FORMED THE PFC SO THEY COULD MOVE.

IF A DEVELOPER CAME FORWARD FOR US, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.

YEAH, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT GETS US WHERE WE'RE AT LEAST LIKE, HEY, COME TALK TO US.

RIGHT? SO THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.

SO YES, CITY MANAGER MARIN COUNCIL TWO THINGS.

ONE IS I ENCOURAGED DANNY TO PUT THAT IN THERE FOR THE REASON OF IT MAY APPEAR IT MAY APPEAR TO BE AGAINST THE DA.

WE'RE NOT SAYING IT IS.

IT JUST MAY APPEAR BY SOME PEOPLE THAT IT MIGHT COME TO THAT.

I DON'T THINK I THINK IT IS AN EXTRA TOOL, QUITE FRANKLY.

AND THE OTHER PART IS WE DIDN'T MENTION HERE THE VERY PEOPLE THAT THIS COULD SERVE OUR OWN EMPLOYEES THAT DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FROM RESOURCES, FROM THE SALARIES BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING PAID GOOD MONEY, BUT BECAUSE OF THE COST OF HOUSING, THE VERY PROJECTS THAT YOU MAY BE APPROVING WILL HELP OUR MISSING MIDDLE OF OUR EMPLOYEES.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO I DIDN'T I DIDN'T KEEP TALLY.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE I KNOW I HAVE THREE, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

KNOW? I'M NOT SURE WHERE YOU WERE.

YES. OKAY. THERE YOU GO.

ALL RIGHT. THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORK SESSION.

TAKES US. SO WE'RE GOING TO.

[1. Closed Meeting:]

YEAH, WE HAVE A CLOSE.

YOUR CLOSED SESSION. DINNER'S HERE, SO WE TAKE A BREAK AND EAT.

BUT. AND SO.

MAC, HELP ME OUT. SO TAKE US IN THE OK.

GREAT. SO AT 440, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL, AT NOW 440, CONVENE AND CLOSE MEETING TO DELIBERATE THE CLOSED MEETING ITEM SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING A222183 DELIBERATIONS REGARDING PERSONNEL MATTERS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551074 AND WE'LL TAKE A BREAK TO GRAB FOOD AND EVERYTHING.

LET'S BE BACK AT 515.

GETS PLENTY OF TIME. THANKS AND WELCOME BACK TO THIS MEETING.

THE CITY COUNCIL'S NOW CONVENED.

THE COUNT CITY COUNCIL IS NOW CONVENED FROM CLOSED SESSION AND NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN.

BUT IT IS 615 TO ARE BACK IN OPEN SESSION.

DO HAVE A QUORUM.

SO WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE REST OF OUR AGENDA FOR THE SPECIAL CALL MEETING TAKES US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

[1. CONSENT AGENDA]

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I'LL TAKE AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A SHOW OF HANDS BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE WORK SESSION ROOM.

I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT FOR ITEM F, WHICH WAS PULLED.

MAYOR PRO TEM, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA EXCEPT FOR ITEM F.

OK. COUNCIL MEMBER.

MCGEE. SO I GOT A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING? NONE. ALL IN FAVOR.

RAISE A HAND.

ALL OPPOSED.

SAME SIGN.

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

[F. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager, or their designee, to execute an Interlocal Agreement with the University of North Texas to conduct “Court on Campus” events, allowing university students to interact with court personnel, learn about court processes, and resolve any outstanding offenses before the court; and providing an effective date.]

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM F, THERE'S NO PRESENTATION.

LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS DAVIS AND MCGUIRE HAVE RECUSED THEMSELVES.

I'LL CALL THAT ITEM.

IT'S ITEM EF ID 22204 TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON OF TEXAS, A HOME RULE, MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING CITY MANAGER OR THEIR DESIGNEE TO EXECUTE A IN A LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS TO CONDUCT A COURT ON CAMPUS EVENTS ALLOWING UNIVERSITY STUDENTS TO INTERACT WITH COURT PERSONNEL, LEARN ABOUT COURT PROCESSES, RESOLVE ANY OUTSTANDING OFFENSES BEFORE COURT, AND PROVIDE AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THIS SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT PROGRAM.

I MOVE APPROVAL COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE A HAND POSE SAME SIGN THAT PASSES FIVE ZERO.

IF WE CAN INVITE COUNCILMEMBER DAVIDSON MAGUIRE BACK IN.

TAKES US TO OUR ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, OF WHICH WE HAVE THREE.

[A. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton adopting a Municipal Utility District Policy for the City and Extraterritorial Jurisdiction (ETJ); repealing the prior Interim Municipal Utility District Policy approved by Resolution 20-920; providing for an effective date; and providing for severability.]

FIRST IS ITEM A ID 222075.

CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF CITY OF DENTON ADOPTING A MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT POLICY FOR THE CITY OF DENTON EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.

REPEALING THE PRIOR INTERIM MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT POLICY.

THANK YOU. MAYOR TINA FERGUSON, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

SO I'M GOING TO KEEP THE PRESENTATION BRIEF THIS EVENING.

I KNOW YOU HAVE THE SLIDES THAT WERE INCLUDED AS PART OF YOUR AGENDA PACKET MATERIALS.

THE SLIDES HOPEFULLY LOOKED VERY FAMILIAR BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF THE LATE SPRING THROUGH THE SUMMER AND JUST RECENTLY PRESENTED TO YOU THE PROPOSED DRAFT POLICY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION BACK ON SEPTEMBER 20TH.

AT THAT TIME YOU DIRECTED STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BRINGING BACK THE POLICY FOR ADOPTION.

SO HENCE WHY IT'S ON YOUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.

WE JUST DID ONE FINAL PROOFING, MAKING SURE THAT WE GOT ALL THE I'S DOTTED AND T'S CROSSED.

AND SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH ALL THE SLIDES IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN RECEIVING THE PRESENTATION, BUT I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT SHORT.

SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION THIS EVENING THAT WOULD REPEAL THE EXISTING INTERIM POLICY AND APPROVE THIS PROPOSED POLICY THAT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA MATERIALS. SO WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. WELL, HERE'S MUD AND BUTTER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HEY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE YOU. YOU HAVE A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR, WHAT I'M ABOUT TO APPROVE.

OKAY. AND AS OUR SECOND MAYOR PRO TEM, LET'S GO.

YEAH. I'LL SECOND.

THANK YOU. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WARD.

SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING? NONE, SIR. COUNCILMAN.

MCGEE. OK.

GOT IT? YES. NO.

SO, ALL IN FAVOR.

RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED.

THAT PASSES. SEVEN ZERO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S WORK.

THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM B, WHICH IS ID 222085.

[B. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton adopting the Cole Ranch Neighborhood Park #1 Master Plan and providing an effective date. The Parks, Recreation, and Beautification Board recommends approval (4-0).]

CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON ADOPTING THE COLE RANCH NEIGHBORHOOD PARK NUMBER ONE MASTER PLAN.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR CASTLE.

MY NAME IS JOHN WHITBURN, PARK PLANNING MANAGER, PRESENTING HERE FOR ON THE COLD RANCH NEIGHBORHOOD PARK NUMBER ONE.

AND SO THIS IS A PART OF A PLAN.

THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HERE IS ABOUT A 3400 ACRE PROJECT.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD COUNCIL APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH FOR COAL RANCH BACK IN APRIL 2020, AND AS PART OF THAT AGREEMENT, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DEVELOP QUITE A BIT OF THE PARKLAND AREA THERE, UP TO 60 ACRES OF THAT PARK FOR THE CITY OF DENTON.

ALSO, THE AGREEMENT HAS DIFFERENT AMENITIES THAT DEFINES DIFFERENT AMENITIES THAT WE HAVE IN THE PARK.

AND THIS PLAN ALSO WAS APPROVED BY THE PARK RECREATION AND BEAUTIFICATION BOARD.

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IN GENERAL, THE LOCATION WITH WHERE COLE RANCH IS.

THE WHOLE AREA THERE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT BASICALLY THAT LITTLE RED STAR IS IN THE GENERAL SENSE.

THAT'S WHERE IT IS.

THEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.

YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSING AREA IS A CENTRAL AREA FOR PARK HOUSING AREAS.

AND THEN YOU'LL LOOK OFF TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.

YOU'LL SEE AN AREA WHERE THE LAKE IS THAT THEY'VE GOT, AS WE ZOOM INTO THAT, AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, THAT IF WE BUILD OR HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK BUILT IN THERE, IT HAS TO HAVE CERTAIN AMENITIES AND THAT INCLUDES SUCH IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST FIVE ACRES AND THAT HAS THE MINIMUM OF TWO OR OVERALL OF TWO NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS IN THERE PROVIDED ADJACENT TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND OTHER FEATURES FOR THAT.

ALSO, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A PARKING LOT.

IT JUST REQUIRES ON STREET PARKING AS A PARK, JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SINCE IT'S GEARED FOR JUST THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA.

AGAIN, THERE ARE OTHER PARKS AS PART OF THIS WHOLE PLAN THAT IS JUST ONE SECTION CLOSER TO THE FIRST PHASE OF THEIR GROUP.

AND THIS IS THE PARK HERE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE LEFT SIDE OF IT, THERE'S THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE PARK.

THERE'S A TRAIL THAT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS.

THE TRAIL DOES CONFORM TO OUR PARKS, RECREATION AND MASTER AND TRAILS MASTER PLAN.

SO THE TEN FOOT WIDE TRAILS THAT WILL RUN THROUGH THE GENERAL AREA HERE AND IT'S GOT AGAIN, MOSTLY ON STREET PARKING, IT HAS ACCESS TO THE LITTLE LAKE WITH A COUPLE OF FISHING DOCKS AS A PART OF IT AND SOME OTHER SMALLER AMENITIES THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THERE.

BUT IT DOES REQUIRE ALL THE DIFFERENT TREES AND VARIOUS THINGS IN THERE.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

IF WE TOOK A LOOK AT, WELL, OKAY, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO BE SPENDING IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PARK.

AND THOSE TRAILS ARE ABOUT $3 MILLION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND SO THEY PROVIDED US WITH THE GENERAL COST OUTLINE HERE FOR HARDSCAPE AND FOR THE LANDSCAPE PARTS OF IT.

AND THEN WHEN YOU PUT THAT TOGETHER, IF WE TOOK A LOOK AT OUR DIFFERENT PARKS, THE DEDICATION OR DEDICATION ORDINANCES FOR PARKS AND RECREATION, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE A 1998 ORDINANCE, AND I KNOW THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES COMING THROUGH HERE THAT WILL FALL UNDER THE NEW AUDIENCES FOR 2022. AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCES IN THIS DIAGRAM FOR HOW MUCH MONEY THEY WOULD BE PAYING.

AND AT THE BOTTOM LINE, IF THEY'RE SPENDING 3 MILLION, THEY'RE ACTUALLY EXCEEDING THE REQUIREMENTS THEY HAVE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PARK.

AND WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? CNN. I JUST WANT TO I JUST FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG FIVE ACRES, HOW BIG WHAT IS THE CURRENT PARK OR WHAT IS A KIND OF A PARKING POINT? ME TWO AND DENTON, THAT'S ABOUT THAT SIZE JUST SO I CAN GET THE SCALE.

NOT FIVE ACRES PARTICULARLY, BUT YOU'LL SEE SOME THAT ARE WELL IN EXCESS OF THAT, SUCH AS BRIARCLIFF.

AND SO THAT'D BE ABOUT ABOUT 20 ACRES IN THERE.

OKAY, GOT IT.

OKAY. THANKS.

YES. COUNCILMAN BYRD.

NO. EXCUSE ME.

WITH THESE PARKS HAVE A RECREATION CENTER ATTACHED TO IT.

NOW, THESE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS.

AND SO THESE ARE REALLY JUST FOR THEY'RE REALLY CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE.

SO WHEN WE GET INTO A CITY PARK OR SOMETHING THAT'S LARGER, YOU MAY HAVE A FACILITY ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

SO THIS PARTICULAR ONE WOULD NOT HAVE, LET'S SAY, RESTROOM FACILITIES SINCE THEY'RE EASILY WALKING DISTANCE TO THEIR HOMES THAT ARE THAT ARE THERE.

GREAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING THAT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

BECAUSE FOR WATCH SOME OF THEIR SECOND MAYOR PRO TEM I SECOND MOST OF MY COUNCILMAN WAS SICKENED BY MAYOR PRO TEM ANY DISCUSSION? CNN ALL IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND.

OPPOSED. SAME SIGN THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.

YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM C, OUR FINAL ITEM.

[C. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, denying Oncor Electric Delivery Company LLC’s application to increase rates related to Oncor’s statement of intent to increase rates filed on or about May 13, 2022; requiring the reimbursement of municipal rate case expenses; finding that the meeting complies with the open meetings act; making other findings and provisions related to the subject; and declaring an effective date]

ID 221779.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DENYING ONCOR ELECTRIC DELIVERY COMPANY LLC'S APPLICATION TO INCREASE RATES RELATED TO ONCOR STATEMENT OF INTENT TO INCREASE RATES FILED ON OR ABOUT MAY 13, 2022.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL RYAN ADAMS, CHIEF OF STAFF.

SO JUST GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS ITEM.

ONCOR DOES PROVIDE ELECTRIC SERVICES IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

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THEY HAVE APPROXIMATELY 1200 CUSTOMERS AND DENTON DOES RETAIN WHAT WE CALL ORIGINAL JURISDICTION OVER ENCORE RATES.

AND THAT MEANS THAT ANY CHANGES IN ENCORE RATES, THEY MUST SEEK CITY APPROVAL.

AND THE CITY ALSO HAS RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCEEDINGS WITH THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION OF TEXAS, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THE SPECIALIZED KNOWLEDGE THAT IT TAKES TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE PROCEEDINGS OR TO EVALUATE RATES.

WE ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN A COALITION OF CITIES, THE ALLIANCE OF ALLIANCE OF ENCORE CITIES, AND THROUGH THEM, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OTHER CITIES, WE EVALUATE RATE INCREASES BY ONCOR. SO YOU MAY RECALL THAT WE DID RECEIVE A NOTICE OF INTENT OR A STATEMENT OF INTENT TO INCREASE REVENUES BY BY ONCOR EARLIER IN THE SPRING, AND THAT ON JUNE 7TH, WE ACTUALLY SUSPENDED THAT RATE INCREASE.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS TO GIVE THE LINES OF, ON COURSE, THESE TIME TO EVALUATE THAT RATE INCREASE, TO HIRE CONSULTANTS TO DO THAT WORK AND JUDGE THE MERITS OF THAT RATE INCREASE TO ENSURE THAT IT WAS REFLECTIVE OF ACTUAL NEEDS.

AND SO THEY HAVE ACTUALLY DONE THAT.

THEY PERFORMED A RATE INCREASE REVIEW AND THEY LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT.

A LOT OF THESE ARE OUTLINED IN YOUR BACKUP AND THE EYES, THINGS LIKE RATE OF RETURN, DEPRECIATION, INSURANCE RESERVES AND WHAT THEY FOUND, AND NOT JUST OUR ALLIANCE, BUT OTHER COALITIONS OF CITIES FOUND THAT THE INCREASE WAS, IN THEIR OPINION, TOO HIGH AND THAT THE PROPOSED AND ACTUALLY PROPOSED A RATE DECREASE.

SO WHAT THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED, THE ALLIANCE OF ENCORE CITIES HAS RECOMMENDED WAS A $211 MILLION DECREASE IN ONCOR REVENUES ACROSS THE SERVICE AREA. SO NOT JUST IN THE CITY OF DENTON, BUT ACROSS THE WHOLE SERVICE AREA.

AND THAT WAS ALSO SUBSEQUENTLY COMMUNICATED TO THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION OF TEXAS.

SO WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TODAY IS TO RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL DENY THE RATE INCREASE.

WE WERE THROUGH THE ALLIANCE OF ON COURSES.

WE WERE UNABLE TO NEGOTIATE A MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE RATE WITH ENCORE.

SO IN DENYING THE RATE INCREASE, A COUPLE OF THINGS WILL HAPPEN.

THIS WILL LEAVE THE FINAL DECISION OF ANY RATE INCREASE TO THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION OF TEXAS, OF WHICH WE, THROUGH THE ALLIANCE OF ONCOR CITIES, WILL PLAY A PART THAT WILL LIKELY COME DOWN IN FEBRUARY OF 2023.

THE CURRENT RATES WILL HOLD STEADY UNTIL THAT TIME, AND THAT ACTUALLY REDUCES ANY CONFUSION BY ADOPTING ANY INTERIM RATES BETWEEN NOW AND FEBRUARY 2023.

SO THIS DENIAL, ONCE IT'S PASSED BY COUNCIL, IF IT'S PASSED BY COUNCIL, WILL BE COMMUNICATED TO THE PUC, TO ONCOR, AND THAT DENIAL MUST OCCUR BY THE END OF THIS MONTH, OCTOBER 30TH OF 2022.

AND THAT IS MY PRESENTATION.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

OK QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU, MR. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE THANK.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THE GIST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, IS THIS A DECREASE FROM WHAT ONCOR WAS ASKING OR A DECREASE FROM PREVIOUS.

A DECREASE FROM OUR CURRENT RATES.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

COUNCILMAN MCGEE. SO JUST CURIOUS, JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE ALLIANCE OF CORE CITIES.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF DETROIT PAYS TO BE A PART OF WITH OTHER CITIES? WE DO. SO WE IN THOSE FUNDS, THEY GO TO ACTUALLY HIRING THESE CONSULTANTS AND THESE REPRESENTATIVES.

SO RATHER THAN THE CITY HIRING A CONSULTANT ON OUR OWN, IT'S EASIER TO LEVERAGE A NUMBER OF CITIES SIMILARLY INTERESTED SO THAT WE DO PAY A PRO RATA BASED ON POPULATION RATE TO PARTICIPATE THIS.

WE DO THE SAME FOR ATMOS AND THEN THOSE FUNDS GO TO HIRE CONSULTANTS TO DO THIS RATE REVIEW.

OC IF YOU KNOW, AND I WILL ACCEPT, I DON'T KNOW ON THIS ONE.

WHAT, WHAT'S THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS LIKE? I'M TRYING. I'M LOOKING FOR WHY THE DENIAL FROM THEM.

WHY? WELL, WE CERTAINLY TRIED TO NEGOTIATE AND COULDN'T AND COULDN'T REACH AN AGREEMENT.

WHY? SO I DON'T IF WE KNOW, I DON'T THINK I CAN TELL YOU THE SPECIFIC REASON OF WHY WE COULDN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH ONCOR.

I THINK THAT WE WE PROVIDED THEM OUR INFORMATION THROUGH THE ALLIANCE OF ONCOR CITIES, PROVIDED THEIR ASSESSMENT OF THE RATE INCREASE AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE DEMONSTRATED THE ISSUE THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANTED IN TERMS OF RATE INCREASE WAS FAIR AND WAS WARRANTED.

WE COULDN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM.

AND SO THE PUC, THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION OF TEXAS, AS THE FINAL ARBITER, IF WE DIDN'T MAKE THIS DENIAL, THEY WILL BE THE FINAL ARBITER AND MAKE THE DECISION OF WHAT THE RATE WOULD BE GOING FORWARD.

SO I COULDN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHY.

I'M JUST CURIOUS IF, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE OUR CHANCES, WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMISSION, PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION.

WHAT DO WE KNOW? CAN WE GAUGE? I THINK ANYTHING I CAN TELL YOU WOULD BE PURELY SPECULATIVE.

I THINK I CAN SAY SPECULATE.

YEAH, I THINK I CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE THAT AT WORST I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE SADDLED WITH A NUMBER THAT IS HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.

SO GO BACK. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO, COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

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OK MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS SECOND AND BY COUNCIL MEMBER.

WHAT'S ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEE NONE. ALL IN FAVOR.

RAISE YOUR HAND. POSE.

SAME SIGN. PASS A70.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR.

OUR AGENDA. BUT FOR CONCLUDING ITEMS.

[3. CONCLUDING ITEMS]

ANY CONCLUDING ITEMS? COUNCILMAN MCGEE. MR. MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO CAME OUT TO OUR FREE, FREE HEALTH SCREENING THAT WE HAD AT MILK CENTER ON FRIDAY.

I WANT TO THANK MAYOR PRO TEM IN PARTICULAR FOR BEING OUT THERE AND GREETING DARRYL SIMPSON AND FORMER COWBOYS PLAYER FLO ADAMS. REALLY THANKFUL FOR THE PARTNERSHIP OF FAIRWAY, A FAIRWAY ADAMS AS WELL AS ENCORE MONCRIEF CANCER CENTER.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT SOME SOME BRAVE WOMEN CAME OUT AND WERE TESTED, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING.

PUBLIC HEALTH IS A GOOD THING.

SO I LOOK FORWARD AND WORKING HARD TO BRING MORE THINGS LIKE THAT TO THE CITY.

ALSO, JUST TO REMIND FOLKS THAT EARLY VOTING STARTED YESTERDAY.

VOTING IS IMPORTANT.

I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE 39 LOCATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTY THAT FOLKS CAN GO VOTE, THAT WE CAN GO VOTE ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY EARLY VOTE.

SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE, EARLY VOTE, IN PARTICULAR SOULS TO THE POLLS COMING UP ON SUNDAY.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE SEEN THE ROLLBACK ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, THOSE OF US WHO WORK A REGULAR JOB LIKE ME, WHO PERHAPS CAN'T DO IT DURING THE WEEK, TAKE THE TIME AFTER CHURCH ON SUNDAY.

1105 THAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND THE LAST THING I'LL JUST ADD THAT WE KNOW VOTING MATTERS.

IF VOTING DIDN'T MATTER, SOME PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE WORKING SO HARD TO MAKE SURE SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE.

SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE LISTENING TO THE SOUND OF MY VOICE AND PAYING ATTENTION TO OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS.

PLEASE GO VOTE.

IT MATTERS. THANK, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN BURT. FOR SAFETY PURPOSES.

HALLOWEEN IS COMING UP.

WATCH YOUR KIDS.

AND WHAT YOU WANT YOURSELF.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE IN THE CITY? CITY MANAGER? YEAH, THAT'D BE AWESOME.

OH, MAN. JUST A REMINDER.

WE'RE HAVING A CITY HALLOWEEN ON MONDAY, AND YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO COME BY, AND WE'RE GIVING OUT CANDY, AND WE'LL HAVE SOME SNACKS, AND YOU COULD WEAR A COSTUME.

I'M GOING TO BE FLOW FROM PROGRESSIVE.

SO LOVE TO SEE YOU.

AWESOME. NOW, MR. MAYOR, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BE FOR HALLOWEEN THIS YEAR? I'M JUST CURIOUS. I'M BEING BE THE HOLY SPIRIT.

AND SO JUST TO.

SO I GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO FIRST, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE THAT CAME OUT AND HELPED MAKE THAT A REALITY FOR FIRE OPS ONE AND ONE.

THAT WAS REALLY COOL. GREAT EXPERIENCE.

THEN I WANT TO THANK MR. STEVE SCHADE, I DO BELIEVE, BUT IN THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL THE STAFF THAT HELPED ME MEET WITH THE GERMAN STUDENTS THERE, THEY WERE HERE VISITING.

THEY'RE HERE, THEY HAVE A PROGRAM.

GAR HAS A PROGRAM WHERE THEY'RE HERE FOR THREE WEEKS AND THEN STUDENTS FROM GA GO THERE FOR THREE WEEKS.

SO IT'S REALLY EXCHANGE STUDENTS.

SO REALLY NEAT PROGRAM.

GOT TO MEET THEM, GIVE THEM A TOUR OF CITY HALL, CITY HALL.

SO THAT WAS REALLY NEAT TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

AND THEY THEY DID ASK IF WE I MENTIONED WE TRANSLATE TO SPANISH AND THEY ASK WHEN WE'RE GOING TO WORK IN GERMAN.

I TOLD THEM WE'D WORK ON IT.

AND THEN DAY OF THE DEAD IS THIS ENTIRE WEEKEND.

SO IF YOU'RE DOWNTOWN, YOU WILL EXPERIENCE TRAFFIC ISSUES.

JUST PARK AND ENJOY IT.

BE A LOT OF FUN. I DO HAVE AN ENTRANCE INTO THE CARBON RACES, SO WE'RE IN IT TO WIN IT, BUT THAT'LL BE THAT'LL BE A LOT OF FUN. SO WE AND THEN I WANT TO THANK TEXAS WOMAN'S FOR BOTH OF YOU.

GREAT TURNOUT THERE.

THAT TURNED OUT FANTASTIC AND SO A REALLY GOOD COMMUNITY EVENT THERE.

SO THANK THEM FOR THAT. AND THEN LAST LAST THIS SATURDAY IS A UNT HOMECOMING.

SO IF YOU'RE ABLE TO GO OR PARTICIPATE IN OF THOSE THINGS AND THEN THE ABNER THEY'RE DOING THE STATUE RIGHT.

THAT'S THAT AFTERNOON I THINK WE'LL GET IT OUT IN THE FRIDAY REPORT BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE FRIDAY REPORT.

RIGHT. SO IT HAS THEY'RE DEDICATING THE STATUES OF SOME SOME PLAYERS THAT BROKE THE COLOR BARRIER, ABNER HAYNES.

AND AND SO REALLY, REALLY AWESOME ADDITION TO OUR COMMUNITY AND RECOGNITION LONG, LONG OVERDUE.

SO THOSE TWO GENTLEMEN WILL BE RECOGNIZED AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

SO AT 635 WILL END TONIGHT'S MEETING.

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.