Nov 01, 2022 City Council on 2022-11-01 2:00 PM

[WORK SESSION]

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GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

TODAY IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 1ST, 2022.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, HAVE A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WILL BE ON THEIR WAY HERE SHORTLY, BUT WE'LL GET STARTED.

AND THE FIRST THING ON OUR AGENDA IS FROM THE OUR CITIZEN COMMENTS.

I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY THAT TAKES US TO OUR NEXT SESSION SECTION, WHICH IS QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEE NONE. THAT TAKES US TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION, WHICH IS ITEM A ID 22155 TO

[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the rehabilitation and future use of City Hall West. *[Council Priority; Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M TREVOR CRANE.

I'M THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES.

TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE DENTON CITY HALL WEST MASTER PLAN.

I ALSO HAVE OUR CONSULTANT HERE WITH ALEXIS WITH ARCA, TEXAS, AND SHE'LL BE HELPING ME GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.

SO JUST TO GO JUST TO START OFF, THIS IS THE AGENDA WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PROJECT HISTORY, THE BUILDING HISTORY.

OUR MASTER PLAN RECOMMENDED BUILDING, USES SOME SUCCESSFUL COMPARABLE PROJECTS, BENEFITS AND CONSIDERATIONS TO BOTH OF THE OPTIONS WILL PRESENT TODAY ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COSTS. FOR THAT OUR NEXT STEPS.

AND THEN WE'LL LEAVE SOME TIME FOR QUESTIONS AT THE END.

SO JUST A BRIEF PROJECT HISTORY.

THE CITY HALL WEST STEERING COMMITTEE WAS FORMALLY ESTABLISHED IN 2017.

THIS COMMITTEE WAS COMPRISED OF COUNCIL MEMBER, DOVE, COUNCIL MEMBER HUDSPETH AND COUNCILMEMBER RYAN, ALONG WITH 21 CITIZENS.

ON NOVEMBER 13, 2018, STAFF PRESENTED THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE FROM THE COMMITTEE TO THE COUNCIL, WHICH INCLUDED AN ADAPTIVE RESTORATION OF THE BUILDING AND TO A MULTIPURPOSE ARTS FACILITY WITH SPACE AVAILABLE FOR RENTALS TO PROVIDE PARTIAL COST RECOVERY.

AND I WILL SAY THAT BOTH OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE PRESENT TODAY DO SATISFY THAT THE CONSENSUS OF THE COUNCIL WAS TO PROCEED WITH SOME MINOR CHANGES, INCLUDING REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS. ON AUGUST 23RD, 2021, STAFF ISSUED A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION TO GATHER THE LEVEL OF INTEREST AND FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS BY FOR PROFIT AND NONPROFIT ENTITIES THAT ARE FIVE WAS SENT OUT TO OVER 1600 SUPPLIERS, AND WE RECEIVED ONE RESPONSE FOR THAT.

ON JANUARY 22ND, 2022, THE CITY ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT WITH ARCA, TEXAS TO DO INTERIOR SELECTION, DEMOLITION PLANNING SERVICES, MASTER PLANNING SERVICES AND PROGRAMING SERVICES.

SO AT THIS POINT ON MY HEAD. OVER TO ALEXIS WITH ARCA, TEXAS, AND SHE'S GOING TO GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THESE SLIDES FOR ME.

THANK YOU. THE BUILDING WAS COMPLETED IN 1931 AND THE POPULAR SPANISH RENAISSANCE REVIVAL STYLE, WHICH WAS GREATLY INFLUENCED BY THE RESTORATION AND THE SPANISH MISSIONS THAT HAPPENED AT THAT TIME PERIOD.

IT WAS THE FIRST PURPOSE BUILT CITY HALL IN DENTON AND REMAINED THE CITY HALL UNTIL THIS COMPLEX WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1969 AND CONTAINED MUNICIPAL OFFICES, A CIVIC AUDITORIUM AND A FIRE STATION.

IT WAS LAST OCCUPIED IN 2016 WITH CITY OFFICES, AND THERE HAVE BEEN THREE SIGNIFICANT RENOVATIONS.

1959, THE BUILDING BECAME THE CENTRAL FIRE STATION.

1980 THERE WAS EXTENSIVE REMODEL AS THE MAIN POLICE STATION AND IN 1996 FOR CITY OFFICES.

CITY HALL WEST IS IN GREEN THERE ON THE LEFT.

IT'S LOCATED NORTH OF DOWNTOWN SQUARE AND ACROSS FROM MCKINNEY, FROM THE NEW DEVELOPMENT OFFICES AND CITY OWNED PARKING LOTS.

IT'S LOCATED JUST OUTSIDE OF THE NATIONAL REGISTERED DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS IN THE RED, BUT IT FALLS UNDER THE REVIEW OF THE DENTON SQUARE DISTRICT, WHICH IS IN YELLOW.

IT'S A RECORDED TEXAS HISTORIC LANDMARK AND ALSO A LOCAL CITY LANDMARK WITH EXTERIOR WORK REVIEWED BY BOTH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND THE DENTON HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION. THE BUILDING HAS BEEN AN IMPORTANT LOCATION IN DOWNTOWN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE AN IMPORTANT LOCATION AS DOWNTOWN CONTINUES TO GROW TO THE NORTH. THE BUILDING IS SPLIT OVER SIX HALF LEVELS, WITH A FOUR FOOT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EACH LEVEL.

THE THREE STORY EAST BAY SHOWN IN GREEN CONTAINS CITY HALL OFFICES, WHILE THE YELLOW WEST BAY CONTAIN THE FIRE STATION AT THE GROUND FLOOR AND A DOUBLE HEIGHT AUDITORIUM ON THE SECOND AND FIRST FLOORS.

IN COMPARISON TO MODERN OFFICE BUILDINGS, THE BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE IS NOT EFFICIENT.

IT WAS DESIGNED WITH GRAND CIVIC SPACES INTENDED FOR SOCIAL INTERACTION.

THE LOWER LEFT BUILDING SECTION SHOWS THE SIX SPLIT LEVELS IDENTIFIED IN LETTERS WITH THE DASH LINES AT DNF, SHOWING THE TWO INFILL

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THE SPLIT LEVELS AND LARGE AUDITORIUM SPACE LIMIT THE ADAPTABILITY OF THE BUILDING FOR NEW USES.

THE 2022 MASTERPLAN IDENTIFIED TWO VIABLE USE USES FOR REUSE THAT ARE ABLE TO ADJUST TO THE LARGE DISCONNECTED SPACES ON THE HALF LEVELS.

THE TWO USES IDENTIFIED WERE IDENTIFIED AS A MULTIPURPOSE ARTS FACILITY AND RENTAL SPACE AND AS MUNICIPAL CITY OFFICE SPACE AND RENTAL SPACE.

BOTH APPROACHES INCLUDE THE RESTORATION OF THE AUDITORIUM AND THE RENTABLE EVENT ROOM AND COURTYARD ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

THE DIFFERENCE IS THE USE OF THE TWO FLOORS ON THE EAST WING THAT WERE FORMERLY CITY HALL OFFICES.

WORK IS REQUIRED TO OCCUPY THE BUILDING REGARDLESS OF WHICH APPROACH IS SELECTED, AND THAT INCLUDES THE RESTORATION OF THE AUDITORIUM WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE TWO INFILL FLOORS AND NEW LIFE SAFETY SYSTEMS AND ACCESSIBILITY UPGRADES REQUIRED DUE TO THE SPLIT LEVELS.

THERE ARE MANY SUCCESSFUL COMPARABLE PROJECTS IN THE METROPLEX.

THE TOP IMAGES ARE OF THE SULFUR SPRINGS CITY HALL, WHICH WAS A FORMER HISTORIC ITALIANATE POST OFFICE ON THEIR DOWNTOWN SQUARE, WAS PURCHASED BY THE CITY AFTER BEING THREATENED FOR DEMOLITION.

THEY REHABILITATED THE BUILDING AND ADDED A NEW ADDITION THAT INCLUDED OFFICE SPACE AND A COUNCIL CHAMBER.

THE CITY HALL NOW IS A PROMINENT LOCATION IN THE COMMUNITY, AND IT'S KEPT A HISTORIC LANDMARK AS AN ACTIVE PUBLIC USE.

THE BOTTOM IMAGES SHOW THE MCKENZIE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, WHICH OCCUPIES THE HISTORIC COLLIN COUNTY COURTHOUSE.

THE RENOVATION WAS DONE BY THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, THE COLLIN COUNTY AND MCKINNEY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

THE PERFORMANCE HALL AND ARTS FOCUSED RENTAL SPACES.

THEY'RE ALL CITY MANAGED, AND THE BUILDING IS MAINTAINED BY THE CITY.

FACILITY RENTALS COVER ABOUT HALF OF THE OPERATING COSTS, WITH THE CITY SUBSIDIZING THE REMAINDER.

SO THE BUILDING USE OPTIONS WERE TO GO THROUGH THE FLOOR PLANS FOR EACH.

THIS IS THE GROUND FLOOR.

IT SHOWS THE PURPLE, A RENTABLE EVENT SPACE AND THEN THE NORTH COURTYARD IN RED.

THIS ALSO INCLUDES CATERING, SUPPORT SPACE AND THE EXISTING ACCESSIBLE ENTRANCE AT THE SOUTH BY THE RED ARROW.

THE EAST SIDE OF THE PLAN TO THE RIGHT SIDE IS A PARTIAL BASEMENT AND USED FOR BUILDING SERVICES AND STORAGE.

THE MAIN LEVEL, THE FIRST FLOOR INCLUDES THE PRIMARY PUBLIC ENTRANCE WITH AN ENLARGED EXTERIOR ENTRY.

THE RED BOX SHOWS THE RESTORED HISTORIC LOBBY AND RECONSTRUCTION OF THE GRAND STAIR TO THE AUDITORIUM.

THE AUDITORIUM SHOWN IN GREEN WOULD BE RESTORED FOR PERFORMANCES OR AS A CIVIC AUDITORIUM.

THE FOOTPRINT AND DESIGN REMAINS THE SAME, BUT THE FINISH OUT OF THE SPACE AND TECHNOLOGY WOULD DIFFER SLIGHTLY BASED ON THE USE.

THE AUDITORIUM WAS FORMERLY USED AS THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER WITH A FLEXIBLE DAIS THAT WAS REMOVABLE FROM THE STAGE FOR PERFORMANCES AND THE YELLOW BOXES TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE RED AREA.

THE LOBBY SHOW THE FLEXIBLE AREAS FOR EITHER MUNICIPAL CITY OFFICES OR AS ART STUDIO RENTALS, DEPENDING ON THE USE.

THE SECOND FLOOR INCLUDES EITHER OFFICE SPACE AGAIN OR ART STUDIO RENTAL IN YELLOW.

THE ORIGINAL LOCATION OF THE CENTER HALLWAY WOULD BE MAINTAINED, BUT THE SEPARATIONS BETWEEN EACH OF THE ROOMS IS FLEXIBLE BASED ON THE USE.

AND THEN THE TOP FLOOR WOULD INCLUDE THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE BALCONY THAT WAS REMOVED TO ALLOW FOR ACCESSIBLE SEATING ON THE UPPER LEVEL AND TO ACCESS THE ACCESSIBLE EXISTING RESTROOMS TO THE SOUTH.

TWO EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS WERE IDENTIFIED ON THE RIGHT AT THE HISTORIC EAST ENTRANCE.

A IMPROVED DROPOFF WOULD BE POSSIBLE, AND THEN WITH ENLARGED WAITING COURTS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE EXISTING HISTORIC ENTRANCE AND THEN THE NORTH COURTYARD, WHICH WOULD BE A PART OF THAT RENTAL EVENT AREA, IT WOULD INCLUDE PERIMETER, VEGETATION, A WATER FEATURE TO REDUCE TRAFFIC NOISE AND A PERIMETER FENCE.

THE USE OF STREET TREES ALONG MCKINNEY WOULD FURTHER ENHANCE THE SPACE.

PUBLIC COMMENTS IDENTIFIED A NEED FOR A RENTABLE PATIO SPACE IN DOWNTOWN.

SO THE RE-USE OF THE BUILDING BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY WITH THE CONTINUED USE OF A DENTON CITY LANDMARK WITHIN THE ORIGINAL DENTON DISTRICT AND MAINTAINS PUBLIC ACCESS AND THE POTENTIAL TO OFFSET OPERATIONAL COSTS WITH THE RENTAL EVENT SPACE.

SO I'LL GO INTO SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WERE THAT WE MADE WHEN WE PUT THIS TOGETHER.

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OUR FTE GROWTH IS PROJECTED AT APPROXIMATELY 46 FTE PER FISCAL YEAR OR 2.8%.

OUR CURRENT CITY FACILITIES ARE 98% OCCUPIED AND THAT NUMBER IS A LITTLE HARD TO PIN DOWN SINCE COVID.

AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL WORKING REMOTE.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME PEOPLE SHARING OFFICES AND WE'RE CONSTANTLY RECONFIGURING DIFFERENT BUILDINGS AND SUCH.

SO BUT WE BELIEVE WE'RE ABOUT 98% FULL ON CITY CITY FACILITIES FOR STAFF.

ALSO, A FUTURE BOND PROGRAM WITH A FACILITIES FOCUS IS BEING DISCUSSED AT THIS TIME.

AND THEN BOTH OPTIONS WOULD HAVE AN ONGOING OPERATING SUBSIDY.

SO NOW WE GET TO LOOK AT SOME NUMBERS.

THIS IS THE ESTIMATE OF COMPLETION, AND THIS WOULD BE FOR EITHER OPTION THAT WAS CHOSEN.

SO WE HAVE OUR SOFT COST IN THERE AT ABOUT $7.4 MILLION SITE WORK, A LITTLE UNDER A MILLION F AND E, AROUND 400,000.

THAT F AND E WOULD CHANGE SOME DEPENDING ON WHICH TYPE, WHICH OPTION WAS CHOSEN AND WHAT THE USE WAS.

AND THEN A PROJECT TO A PROJECT MANAGEMENT NUMBER AT $350,000.

THE OPERATING SUBSIDY WOULD BE AN ONGOING COST AT AROUND HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

AND THEN WE DID BUILD IN A 5% CONTINGENCY.

SO CAPITAL FUNDING WILL BE DISCUSSED IN DECEMBER OF 2022.

THE OPERATING SUBSIDY WOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE FY FISCAL YEAR 2023 2024 BUDGET SUPPLEMENTAL.

THE COSTS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT ARE CONSIDERING A FULL BUILDING REHABILITATION.

THERE ARE SOME SOME ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN FIXED, LIKE THE THE WINDOWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY COME WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE REPLACED AGAIN.

AND THEN INFLATION.

SO EVERYONE KNOWS WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME CRAZY INFLATION.

NOW, THESE NUMBERS DO NOT INCLUDE ANY INFLATION.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING JUST UNDER 1% A MONTH.

SO DEPENDING ON WHEN THIS PROJECT WENT FORWARD, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ADD THAT INFLATION INTO THE PROJECT.

SO IF IT ENDED UP BEING 2024 OR 2025, WE WOULD HAVE TO RECALCULATE WHAT THAT INFLATION LOOKS LIKE AT THAT TIME.

SO OUR NEXT STEPS TODAY, WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON BUILDING USE.

THEN IN DECEMBER OF 2022, WE'LL HAVE THE FACILITY'S MASTER PLAN UPDATE AND THEN DECEMBER OF 2022, A WORK SESSION ON THE FUTURE BOND PROGRAM WITH THAT FACILITY IS FOCUSED LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT. AND I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE WHAT THOSE TWO MASTER PLAN BUILDING OPTIONS WERE.

ONE WAS A MULTIPURPOSE ARTS FACILITY AND RENTAL SPACE, AND NUMBER TWO WAS A MUNICIPAL SERVICE, OFFICE SPACE AND RENTAL SPACE.

BOTH ARE GOING TO BE VERY SIMILAR.

IT'S JUST GOING TO BE HOW THE THE INTERIOR OF THE DESIGN IS OUTFITTED AND WHAT THE DECISION IS MOVING FORWARD.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AT ONE POINT THAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IS WE HAVE CHECKED IN WITH DENTON INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE CALHOUN SCHOOL IS GOING TO BE REPURPOSED AS A PERFORMING ARTS STUDIO WITH ARTS PROGRAMS AND A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.

SO AS YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THAT THAT FACILITY WILL BE MODIFIED AND CHANGED TO BE PERFORMING ARTS.

SO IT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.

GREAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT, MADAM CITY MANAGER, BECAUSE WHAT STRIKES ME ABOUT THE SPACE AND THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING FOR THE LAST LITTLE WHILE SINCE WE STARTED RESTORING THAT, I GUESS TAKING IT DOWN TO THE STUDS AND FIGURING OUT WHAT SPACE WE HAD AVAILABLE, HOW MUCH OF THAT ORIGINAL AUDITORIUM WAS STILL STRUCTURALLY INTACT IS THAT IT IS NOT ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD PERFORMING SPACE.

IT HAS NO WINGS, IT HAS THE EXTERIOR WALLS OR RIGHT WHERE THE THE AISLES ARE.

YOU'VE GOT SPACE CONSTRICTIONS DOWN AND UP.

AND THAT CONTRASTS PRETTY CLEARLY, I THINK, WITH, SAY, THE CALHOUN AUDITORIUM.

IF YOU GO OVER THERE AND YOU SEE THE CALHOUN AUDITORIUM, IT'S MAYBE THE BEST AUDITORIUM IN TOWN UNTIL YOU GET OVER TO THE THE REAL PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.

AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT CITIES LIKE MCKINNEY, HOW MANY WAS THAT? A 400. AND HOW MANY SEATS IN MCKINNEY'S OLD COURTHOUSE? 380 ISH, IS IT? I THOUGHT IT LIKE 435 OR SOMETHING.

IT'S JUST 380. ANYWAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AA2 HUNDRED AND SOMETHING SEAT THAT'S NOT EVEN THAT'S NOT EVEN AS BIG AS, SAY, THE CAMPUS THEATER.

I MEAN, WE ARE A CITY THAT IS FULL OF SPACE AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS AVAILABLE.

IT'S NOT FREE.

BUT WE ARE A CITY THAT HAS A NUMBER OF STAGES.

IT DOESN'T MEAN WE COULDN'T DO WITH ANOTHER ONE, BUT FOR ME, I SEE THE OPPORTUNITY REALLY FOR A A MULTIPURPOSE,

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AND IF WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT NEEDING SPACE FOR THE CITY, IF WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT NEEDING ACCESSIBLE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, AND IF WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION MORE WIDELY ABOUT WHAT DOES A CITY COUNCIL SET UP LOOK LIKE, WE HAVE A PURPOSE BUILT BUILDING.

AND I THINK THE ONLY PLACE THAT BUILDING EVER WENT WRONG WAS WHEN THEY TRIED TO FIT THE ENTIRE CITY UNDER ONE ROOF IN 1927.

YOU COULD DO THAT. AND THEN WE TRY TO DO IT AGAIN OVER HERE AND GET US ALL UNDER ONE ROOF.

AND THAT WAS NEVER GOING TO NEVER GOING TO WORK IN A 2022 CITY IS NEVER GOING TO FIT UNDER ONE ROOF.

BUT THE THE FUNCTIONS FOR WHICH THAT BUILDING WAS ACTUALLY BUILT, BARRING THE FIRE, THE FIRE SERVICE, WE COULD STILL USE THAT BUILDING FOR.

SO THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, MY DIRECTION.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE, MORE CONVERSATION FROM MY COLLEAGUES, BUT IT'S PURPOSE BUILT FOR EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED IT TO BE.

AND THERE ARE BETTER WAYS TO ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THE OTHER GOALS.

SUPPORT THE ARTS IN OTHER WAYS.

BUT THAT'S MY MY INITIAL MY INITIAL DIRECTION WOULD BE FOR THE MUNICIPAL OPTION.

IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE CITIZENS AND ASK THEM FOR BOND MONEY, THEN I'D LIKE TO USE THE BUILDING FOR WHAT IT WAS BUILT FOR WHAT IT'S EASIEST TO TURN IT BACK INTO, AND THE BEST USE OF OUR BOND MONEY.

ANYONE ELSE. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGUIRE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. MY APOLOGIES IF YOU ALL MENTIONED THIS BEFORE I CAME IN.

SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S.

THERE'S BEEN SOME CONVERSATION LATELY ABOUT WE NEED NEW COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

RIGHT. AND I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE.

I SHARE THE MAYOR'S CONCERN ABOUT THE ACCESSIBILITY OF CURRENT CHAMBERS.

IT REALLY DOES NOT MEET MODERN STANDARDS.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW OFF THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD WHAT THE CURRENT CAPACITY OF COUNCIL CHAMBERS IS? YEAH, IT'S LIKE 140 ISH.

140 ISH. THAT'S A LOT OF STANDING ROOM.

OKAY, SO THAT'S 140 WITH STANDING ROOM.

THAT'S NOT 140 SEATS IN THERE.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF IF WE MOVED COUNCIL CHAMBERS TO CITY HALL WEST, WE WOULD EXPAND CAPACITY SOMEWHAT.

I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT.

I GUESS MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR PARTICULARLY FOR THE ARCHITECTS LIKE LIKE HOW ACCESSIBLE WOULD WOULD COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND CITY HALL WEST BE? WOULD THAT EVEN BE A GOOD WAY OF ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE WITH WITH OUR CHAMBERS HERE? IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT, I GUESS TO THE ACCESSIBILITY QUESTION.

YEAH. IN GENERAL, I WOULD SAY ANY ANY CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO MAKE ALL EFFORTS TO MEET ADA REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY DONE, WHETHER IT'S WHATEVER OPTION IT IS SPECIFICALLY TO THE ADA THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE BUILDING.

I'LL LET ALEXIS KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT.

BUT SURE, IT WOULD BE FULLY ACCESSIBLE.

THERE ARE ACCESSIBLE ROUTES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN BECAUSE OF THE SPLIT LEVELS, BUT THE FUTURE WORK WOULD UTILIZE A LIFT TO ACCESS THE AUDITORIUM BECAUSE THERE'S CURRENTLY NO ACCESS TO THOSE AUDITORIUM LEVELS, WHICH IS EXACTLY THE SITUATION WE HAVE NOW.

WE HAVE WE CURRENTLY HAVE COUNCIL CHAMBERS THAT WERE BUILT BEFORE ADA, AND WE'VE HAD TO KIND OF RETROFIT THEM WITH THIS VERY AWKWARD LIFT APPARATUS THAT'S DIFFICULT TO USE AND TIME CONSUMING TO USE.

AND REALLY NOBODY USES IT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A PAIN IN THE BUTT.

I WOULD HATE FOR US TO PUT A LOT OF RESOURCES INTO MOVING OVER TO CITY HALL WEST BECAUSE OF ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES AND THEN NOT REALLY HAVE THOSE ISSUES ADDRESSED TO A DEGREE THAT I WOULD CONSIDER MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW, I GUESS.

BUT I DON'T I'M NOT READY WITH ANY DIRECTION AT THIS POINT.

I JUST LOVE TO HEAR MORE CONVERSATION AROUND THE ACCESSIBILITY ISSUE.

ANYONE ELSE TO.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REMEMBER READING FROM THE PRIOR REVIEW WHEN THIS WAS DONE BEFORE, I THINK MAYOR MAYOR WAS ON THAT COUNCIL, YOU SAID, AH, THAT THAT COMMITTEE.

YES, SIR. AND AND THEN AND SO I LEAVE IT TO HIS MEMORY TO BE BETTER BECAUSE HE WAS ALIVE.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN I WAS READING THE REPORT THAT SEEMED TO SAY WAS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAD A FAIR BIT OF INTEREST IN ARTS PROGRAMING, NOT NECESSARILY MUSIC PROGRAMING, WHICH WOULD BE WHAT A PERFORMANCE HALL WOULD MOSTLY BE, BUT BUT ARTS PROGRAMING IN GENERAL. AND THEN ON THE SECOND ROUND, WHERE WE DID SURVEYS AND WHATNOT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR PLURALITY GROUPS THAT THEY'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN IN ARTS PROGRAMING.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR, I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT.

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I MEAN, THAT'S SORT OF OUR OUR DESTINATION REASONS TO COME TO DENTON IS, IS OUR VARIOUS LEVELS OF ARTS PROGRAMING, WHETHER THAT'S MUSIC PERFORMANCE OR ART VENUES OR OR WHATEVER.

AND WE SEEM TO BE MISSING THAT.

AND WHERE WE'VE WE'VE TAKEN GREAT STRIDES, I THINK IS THINGS LIKE STOKE, WHERE WE'RE GETTING OFFICE SPACE AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY GETTING THAT THAT PERFORMANCE OF DEMONSTRATION SPACE.

WHILE I ALSO CONCUR WITH THIS ISSUE OF ACCESSIBILITY, I'M IT DID CONCERN ME AND I WAS GOING TO ASK A SIMILAR QUESTION HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS ACCESSIBILITY IN THE NEWS SPACE? AND I GUESS THAT WILL SOMEWHAT KICK IN, WHETHER WHETHER IT'S AN ARTS PERFORMANCE PROGRAMING OR A PUBLIC FORM PROGRAMING.

BUT WE DEFINITELY, ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE IT FOR PUBLIC FORUM PROGRAMING BECAUSE THAT'S DEMOCRACY, RIGHT? SO IT'S IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS OF A OF A.

OVERT BURDEN TO HAVE IT FOR ARTS PROGRAMING PER SE, ESPECIALLY DEPENDING ON HOW WE PROGRAM OUT THAT SPACE.

SO WHILE I ALSO THINK THAT WE SHOULD STICK WITH OUR VECTOR OF OF LOOKING AT WAYS OF, OF GETTING NEW ADMINISTRATIVE SPACE IN THIS TOWN, I THINK I'M CURRENTLY LEANING TOWARDS THAT ARTS PROGRAMING SPACE, OR AT LEAST MULTIPURPOSE PROGRAMING SPACE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY NEED TO HAVE IT FOR A MUSIC PERFORMANCE VENUE, ALTHOUGH I THINK RYAN HIGH SCHOOL'S NEW PERFORMANCE VENUES IS GOING TO CHALLENGE YOUR SUPPOSITION THERE. COUNCILOR DAVIS BUT AND THAT'S ALL WITHIN THE FAMILY OF DISD ANYWAY.

BUT I THINK WE WERE TOLD A NUMBER OF TIMES, I DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO DO ART GALAS, I DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO DO PERFORMANCE DEVELOPMENT.

I DON'T HAVE SMALL MUSIC VENUES, AND SMALL MUSIC VENUES ARE NEVER IDEAL.

WE HAVE PEOPLE IN IN OUR OLD DOWNTOWN CORRIDORS THAT ARE DOING MUSIC PERFORMANCE.

SO I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OPERA PER SE IN IN OUR IN ANY PERFORMANCE GALA.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY BEST RESERVED FOR THE MURCHISON OR SOMETHING ELSE COMPARABLE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE REST OF COUNCIL'S VIEW ON THIS, BUT I'M SORT OF LEANING TOWARDS MULTIPURPOSE ARTS PROGRAMING.

SO I'LL SAY TO THAT I WASN'T INVOLVED BACK IN 2017 WHEN THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION OR THE ORIGINAL COMMITTEE WAS FORMED.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT KIND OF THE ARTS WASN'T REALLY SPLIT OUT VERSUS MUSICAL OR ARTS.

IT WAS JUST WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME SOME TYPE OF ART.

SO IT WASN'T REALLY SPLIT OUT.

WE FEEL THAT BOTH OPTIONS SATISFY THAT.

WHAT THE MUNICIPAL SPACE ALSO, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF ART SPACES WOULD BE IN THOSE OTHER OTHER SPACES AND WHO WOULD USE THEM.

I WILL SAY THERE ARE A LOT OF THERE WAS A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT SAID THEY WANTED THOSE SPACES.

BUT WHEN WE REACHED OUT LOOKING FOR PARTNERS TO HELP KIND OF RUN THIS OR PARTNER TO DO THIS, WE GOT ALMOST NO RESPONSES.

AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN USING IT, BUT NO ONE'S REALLY INTERESTED IN PARTNERING WITH US ON IT.

SO I MET WITH SEVERAL GROUPS THAT WANTED TO USE IT, BUT DIDN'T WANT TO BE A PARTNER, NOR WANTED TO FORM A CONGLOMERATE TO BE A PART OF IT.

SO THAT'S THE THING YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT.

WHATEVER COUNCIL'S DECISION IS, IS THE CITY IS GOING TO END UP RUNNING AND PAYING FOR IT, AND THEN YOU'RE JUST OPENING IT UP FOR GROUPS THAT WILL NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING US UP TO A PERCENTAGE OF THE COST.

AND WE JUST COULD NOT GET ANY GROUPS TO REALLY BE EVEN SIGNIFICANTLY INTERESTED, TO EVEN SAY, YEAH, I'LL HOUSE THERE.

IT WAS JUST, I JUST WANT A PLACE TO USE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IN. IT COMES FROM WHAT? THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WAS AROUND AT THAT TIME AND I WAS AGAINST OPTION ONE THEN, AND I'M MORE SO AGAINST IT NOW ONLY BECAUSE IT'S BEEN FIVE OR SIX YEARS.

OUR CITY HAS GROWN SUBSTANTIALLY.

I THINK THAT I THINK I JUST HEARD YOU SAY WE COULD INCORPORATE IN BOTH OF THOSE OPTIONS SOME TYPE OF ARTS SPACE OTHER THAN QUOTE UNQUOTE, PERFORMANCE IF THAT BECOMES THE CITY.

THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

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WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD SOME MORE BUILDINGS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND WAYS TO TO BETTER USE OUR OUR SPACE AS A CITY.

NOW, SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS BUILDING, IT SAYS TOTAL NET SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 16 FIVE AND TOTAL GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 23 FOR 30.

IS THAT THE DIFFERENCE IS THE HALLWAYS, THE I MEAN, THAT'S THE YARD AND THE SUPPORT SPACE, THE THICKNESS OF THE WALLS, THE HALLWAYS IS A SIGNIFICANT AREA, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SPLIT LEVELS.

THERE'S A LOT MORE CIRCULATION THAN SURE.

SO DOES IT KEEP IT IN THIS BUILDING? I MEAN, THAT'S $600 A SQUARE FOOT ON THE ON THE NET.

SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE OTHER.

IT'S ABOUT ABOUT $400 A SQUARE FOOT.

ARE YOU KEEPING THE SAME CONFIGURATION NO MATTER WHICH OPTION IS CHOSEN? OR ARE WE GOING TO TRY TO CORRECT SOME OF THE BREAKUP, IF YOU WILL, OF THE SPACE TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT? I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 20 OVER 25% OF THE SPACE IS, QUOTE UNQUOTE, THIS KIND OF THICKNESS.

SO, I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT.

I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT.

SO WAS THERE ANY PLAN ON TRYING TO REDO IT? DOES A CONSTRUCTION COST ENVISION SOME KIND OF RECONFIGURATION OF THE SPACE THAT MAKES IT MORE EFFICIENT FOR WHATEVER USE IS CHOSEN? OR IS IT JUST WE KEEP IT IN THESE SIX LEVELS AND SORT OF MAKE DO WITH WHAT WE GOT? SO IT WON'T BE THE SIX LEVELS ANYMORE.

IT'LL BE IT'LL BE BACK INTO THE TWO OR I GUESS THREE LEVELS, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. BECAUSE THE INFILL FLOORS WOULD BE REMOVED SO IT WOULD GO BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL KIND OF CONFIGURATION WHERE YOU HAD THAT BIG AUDITORIUM, THE THE SPACES THAT WERE SHOWN LIKE FOR THE OFFICES AND THE THE ARTS PLACES, THOSE CAN BE CONFIGURED.

HOWEVER, WE HOWEVER, WE NEED TO CONFIGURE THEM WITH SOME LIMITATIONS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT MASTER PLAN COMES INTO EFFECT.

WHAT WHO'S GOING TO BE HOUSED THERE, WHAT SIZE OFFICES THEY NEED? CAN WE USE SHARED WORKSPACES OR DO WE NEED CONFERENCE ROOMS OR WHATEVER? SO THOSE KIND OF SIZES OF THOSE ROOMS AND THOSE CONFIGURATIONS CAN BE CHANGED AS NECESSARY DEPENDING ON WHATEVER DECISION IS MADE.

SO WHAT WILL THAT REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING DOWN TO BOTH GROSS AND NET? IT'S PUT HERE, OR AS IF WE'RE REMOVING THOSE LEVELS.

CORRECT. WHAT IS IT SETTLE OUT OF THAT? I DON'T KNOW THOSE NUMBERS OFFHAND.

I BELIEVE THIS IS THE TOTAL WITH THE LEVELS REMOVED.

THIS IS MOVING FORWARD, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE.

OH, YOU'RE SAYING OKAY.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE TOTAL BECAUSE IT SAYS HERE, LEVEL A, B, LEVEL KD, LEVEL F REPRESENTS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEN GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE.

AM I MISSING A SLIDE THAT SAYS IF WE ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF WE REMOVE THOSE SORT OF INFILL LEVELS, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE 16, FIVE AND 23 FOR 30? I BELIEVE SO.

OKAY. I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW THAT WORKS THAT WAY, BUT WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

OKAY? ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

YEAH. WE'RE NOT GAINING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SPACE.

IF ANYTHING, WE'RE. OH, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD.

IT'S GOING TO BE REDUCING IT SOME BECAUSE YOU'RE MOVING FLOORS AND BUT YOU'RE MAKING IT MORE USABLE, MORE EFFICIENT.

AND I WOULD AS FAR AS THE ACCESSIBILITY ISSUE, TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF DISAGREEMENT.

I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT AS AN ARTS CENTER OR AS CITY COUNCIL, ACCESSIBILITY NEEDS TO BE THE SAME FOR ANY TYPE OF USE AND THAT IN THAT PARTICULAR IN THAT PARTICULAR SETTING.

BUT BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING IN ESSENCE FROM SCRATCH, WE CAN MAKE IT HOWEVER WE WANT.

IT MIGHT ADD A LITTLE BIT OF COST, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE SO I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT THAT AS LONG AS WE'RE COMMITTED TO IMPROVING IT INSTEAD OF HAVING PEOPLE HAVE TO GET ON OR SOMETHING THAT'S MUCH MORE CONVENIENT, MUCH MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THOSE WHO MIGHT NEED ASSISTANCE AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT.

SO I'M, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE I REALLY SUPPORT OPTION TWO BECAUSE I THINK IT PROVIDES FLEXIBILITY TO PROVIDE SOME OF THOSE ARTS PROGRAMING THAT AND THIS HAS THIS IS FIVE OR SIX YEARS LATER.

SO I MEAN, IT'S BEEN A AND COSTS HAVE GONE UP, INFLATION'S GONE UP, INTEREST RATES HAVE GONE UP.

AND SO IT'S JUST IT'S JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF SOMETIMES WE PUT DECISIONS OFF AND IN THE END IT WINDS UP COSTING I PROBABLY CONSIDERABLY MORE JUST ON THE ARRAY ALONE. SO I'M OKAY WITH OPTION TWO BECAUSE I THINK IT INCORPORATES I'M MORE THAN OKAY WITH IT BECAUSE IT INCORPORATES SOME OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WERE DESIROUS OF.

AND PLUS IT ALLOWS THE CITY TO GET INTO SOME SPACE TO HAVE SOME EXPANSION SPACE.

AND THEN I GUESS IF SOMEHOW.

SOME OFFICERS MOVED OVER THERE FROM HERE, THEN THIS SPACE COULD BE REPURPOSED FOR SOMETHING.

SO I THINK WE COULD ADDRESS THE ARTS THING EVEN TO A GREATER DEGREE IN THE FUTURE, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS HERE AS WELL.

THAT'S MY DIRECTION.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE BALCONY LEVEL.

HOW MANY SEATS ARE AT THE TOP THERE OF THE BALCONY LEVEL?

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THE TOTAL IS 220.

SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE THERE ARE SOME FIXED SEATS IN THE RECONSTRUCTED HALF AND THEN THE EXISTING HALF IS CONCRETE LEVELS.

SO THOSE WOULD NOT BE ACCESSIBLE, BUT THERE WOULD BE FIXED SEATS ON THOSE AS WELL.

GOT IT. YEAH.

SO AND MY UNDERSTANDING NETS OUT TO BE WHAT TO DO WITH THE 4900 SQUARE FEET.

RIGHT. THAT REALLY IS THE GIST OF IT.

RIGHT. THAT'S THE QUESTION FOR THE MOST PART.

YES. AND SO MY ANSWER TO THAT IS I'M ABSOLUTELY AGAINST HAVING CITY HALL CHAMBERS MOVE THERE, IRREGARDLESS OF WHAT CHANGES WHAT ENHANCEMENTS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IT'S NOT GOING TO FUNCTION WELL, THEN LET'S EXPLORE A DAY IN THE LIFE OF THAT.

RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A CONTENTIOUS ITEM THAT THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO HEAR.

THEN WE'RE GOING TO BRING A WHOLE BUNCH OF PROTESTERS DOWN TO THE SQUARE, RIGHT.

SO THAT THEN THEY COULD TERRORIZE THE BUSINESSES OR LESSEN THEIR CAPACITY TO PARK.

RIGHT. SO WE WANT TO BRING MORE MEETINGS CLOSER TO THE SQUARE WHERE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING NOW.

RIGHT. BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PARKING LOT BEHIND THERE THAT WE WOULD THEN TAKE OVER.

WE WOULD THEN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE STAFF THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE THERE.

YOU KNOW, IT JUST DOESN'T IT DOESN'T FUNCTION WELL.

IT IT SOUNDS GREAT.

BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE THAT GO, TO MAKE ALL THIS GO TO MAKE THE WE'RE PUTTING IN A FENCE BACK HERE FOR PARKING, SAFETY FOR STAFF, SAFETY FOR WHEN WE HAVE TO LEAVE MEETINGS CONTENTIOUS ALL THOSE THINGS.

RIGHT. IT'S SAFETY CONCERNS SHOULD BE PARAMOUNT TO EVERYONE HERE.

AND YOU CAN'T SECURE THOSE LOTS.

THOSE ARE PUBLIC LOTS. AND WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE AWAY FROM PEOPLE BEING IN A PARK DOWNTOWN.

AND SO THEN YOU JUST IT DOESN'T MEET THE THE THIS IS NOT THE CONVERSATION, BUT I HEAR TONES OF IT.

SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR EARLY.

WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SUITE WITH ONE RESTROOM.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S ABSURD.

WE HAVE I MEAN, FOR STAFF, THE BUILDING IS FULL, 98% FULL.

LET'S CARRY THAT OVER. AND WE HAVE BATHROOM TWO HERE, ONE THERE, TWO ON THE OTHER END.

UNACCEPTABLE, YOU KNOW, AND SO IT JUST DOES NOT FIX WHAT WE NEED.

AND AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME THING.

IT'S YOU'VE SAID IT IT'S IT'S BEEN TRIED TO BE COVERED UP.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THOSE ARE STONE STEPS OUT FRONT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE.

THERE'S A SIDE DOOR THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY GET INTO, BUT THAT'S THE LOWER LEVEL.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO GET UP TO THE TOP LEVEL.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE I MEAN, IF YOU MADE IT WHERE THERE WASN'T THE OLD ANTIQUE ELEVATORS THAT WE HAVE HERE FOR THE FOR WHEELCHAIR ACCESS, YOU TAKE UP A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF THE BUILDING.

SO MAYBE THAT'S AN EXERCISE WE NEED TO GO THROUGH TO JUST DO SOME ROUGH BACK OF THE PAPER, BACK OF THE NAPKIN MATH, TO SEE HOW MUCH OF THE BUILDING WE'D LOSE IF WE START SAYING WE'RE GOING TO RAMP THINGS AND WE'D HAVE TO.

I DON'T SEE THAT THAT ONE SIDE DOOR IS NOT GOING TO GET IT.

YOU NEED THE FRONT DOOR AND IT HAS TO ELEVATED.

THERE'S TWO LANDINGS OF STEPS BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THE BUILDING.

THEN WHEN YOU GET IN THE BUILDING, THERE'S TWO MORE LANDINGS.

RIGHT. AND SO TO GET TO THE MAIN LEVEL, AND THAT'S JUST TO GET TO ONE LEVEL OF THE BUILDING.

SO AS MUCH AS I LIKE THE BUILDING, I LIKE THE MUNICIPAL USES, AGAIN, IT'S A DECISION ABOUT THAT 4900 SQUARE FEET TO ME.

AND I THINK THAT IS A GREAT SPACE FOR COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

INSTEAD OF RENTING MLK CENTER, INSTEAD OF RENTING NORTH LAKES, INSTEAD OF RENTING AMERICAN LEGION HALL AND PUTTING OUT TEMPORARY CHAIRS, IT'S A SPACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN NOW HOST THEIR COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

THEY'RE DOWNTOWN ALREADY.

HOPEFULLY THEY GO SHOP.

SO WE'RE ADDING TO SHOPPING, WE'RE ADDING TO EATING, WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY.

AND SO THAT TO ME IS THE IS THE BETTER OPTION.

SO FOR ME, YOU CALL IT ONE TOO MATTERS NOT I'M FOCUSED IN ON THE 49 4900 SQUARE FEET AND I ABSOLUTELY DON'T WANT THAT TO.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO PRETEND THAT THAT'S COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

IT'S A STAGE YOU THEN I MEAN, WE'D HAVE TO WHEEL IN THE STATIONS LIKE THE BANDSTAND, LIKE A BIG BAND, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S JUST WE HADN'T TALKED AT AV PEOPLE THAT SET ALL THIS UP THAT WOULD THEN HAVE TO TEAR IT ALL DOWN.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT'S NOT FULLY BAKED.

AND IF YOU BAKE IT ALL THE WAY OUT TO, SAY, PARKING, SECURITY, AUDIO, VISUAL.

THE IMPACT ON YOUR NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES.

IT JUST DOESN'T WORK FOR THAT.

AND THE DISABILITY COMPONENT IS BIG.

THIS BUILDING DOESN'T CUT IT NO MATTER WHAT WE END UP DOING FOR SAFETY REASONS, FOR JUST CONVENIENCE, COMPETING WITH OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE OFFICE SPACE THAT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF A $1.8 BILLION ORGANIZATION.

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SO THE DISABILITY, THE ACCESS I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT NO MATTER WHAT THAT 4000 SQUARE FEET IS, THE SAME CHALLENGE OF ACCESSIBILITY EXISTS, BOTH WHETHER IT'S A STAGE PERFORMANCE OR WHATEVER, OR IF IT'S COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

IS THAT WAS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? THAT IS CORRECT. BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS I DON'T HAVE TO SIT THERE EVERY TUESDAY AND WATCH SOMEONE 70 OR 80 YEARS OLD ALMOST FALL DOWN THE STEPS AND INVITE THEM TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. I WANT THEM TO COME TALK TO US EASILY VERSUS CRINGE EVERY TIME SOMEONE HAS TO STEP UP AND NAVIGATE CITY HALL CHAMBERS.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT SO BUT IF THEY HAVE THOSE SAME CHALLENGES, IF THAT'S A PERFORMING ARTS SPACE, IT'S THE SAME CHALLENGE.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THEREFORE YOU SHOULD DO ONE OF THEM.

I'M SAYING IF THAT'S JUST A CHALLENGE, THAT CAN'T BE RESOLVED FOR EITHER ONE OF THOSE TYPE OF USES, THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT A DIFFERENT FUNCTION FOR THAT.

BUT IF ACCESSIBILITY IS A CHALLENGE TO THE SAME DEGREE WITH EVERYTHING ON THAT 4000 FEET, THEN MAYBE IT'S WE'VE GOT TO RETHINK THAT.

SURE. BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST CONCERN HERE, AT LEAST THAT'S THE COMMON CONCERN THAT HAS BEEN EXPRESSED, I THINK, BY MOST HERE.

BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW.

NO, YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE CITY HALL TO BE HEARD.

RIGHT. VERSUS YOU MAKE A DECISION TO BUY A TICKET, TO GO SEE A SHOW OR WHATEVER THAT YOU MADE A CHOICE KNOWING VERSUS YOU HAVE TO COME HERE TO BE HEARD.

THANK YOU, COUNCILOR DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND.

A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS I THINK MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO THE CONVERSATION.

CAN I SEE SLIDE NUMBER FOUR? THANK YOU. SO IF YOU.

IF YOU LOOK. AT THE FLOOR THERE.

THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, THE ORIGINAL AUDITORIUM ARE NOT STONE STEPS.

THE BALCONY ARE MOLDED IN PLACE, POURED IN PLACE CONCRETE.

THOSE ARE THOSE ARE STEPS.

BUT THE THE FLOOR OF THE COUNCIL IS MUCH LIKE WE HAVE NOW.

IT'S A SLANT. AND YOU CAN BUILD STEPS OR YOU CAN HAVE A RAMP AND IT'S A PRETTY IT'S A PRETTY SLIGHT RAMP.

I THINK WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS THERE.

THEN IF YOU LOOK NEXT TO THE FIRE TRUCK, PICTURE BELOW THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THOSE STONE STEPS ON THE BALCONY PICTURE.

BUT THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOWER RIGHT, THE SIDE DOOR IS AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THE WHAT WE CALL THE HANDICAP ACCESS OR THE ADA ACCESS RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE WERE USING IT FOR PLANNING AND STUFF, THERE ARE TWO ELEVATOR SHAFTS IN THE BUILDING.

YOU GET AN ELEVATOR RIGHT INSIDE THAT DOOR TO THE LEFT.

I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THE ARCHITECT.

AND WHEN THE PLANS ARE FINAL, THE WHETHER OR NOT WE ACTUALLY NEED A LIFT TO GET TO CERTAIN PLACES OR IF THAT ELEVATOR WILL LET YOU OFF IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE CAN RAMP YOU TO WHERE YOU NEED TO BE TO BE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE A LIFT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT STAIRS AND THERE'S NOTHING ELSE.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY THE CASE.

YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A LIFT VERSUS BEING ABLE TO USE AN ELEVATOR.

GET TO THE AUDIENCE AREA OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

WHEN I LOOK AT I DISAGREE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 4900 SQUARE FEET.

I THINK THE 40 THERE'S CONSENSUS, I THINK, FOR RESTORING THAT 4900 SQUARE FEET TO SOME KIND OF AUDITORIUM, SOME KIND OF AUDITORIUM USE, NOT DIVIDING IT UP TO OTHER THINGS, NOT MAKING IT A BIG BALLROOM WITH A FLAT FLOOR THAT WE'D HAVE TO RECONFIGURE.

I THINK THERE'S CONSENSUS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF AUDITORIUM.

I THINK THE CONVERSATION IS REALLY ABOUT THAT 6000 SQUARE FEET, BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE SAY, I WANT TO MAKE IT AN ART SPACE, THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT WE NEED, REHEARSAL SPACE, WHAT WHAT PORTION OF THAT 6000 SQUARE FEET IS GOING TO BE SUITABLE FOR REHEARSAL SPACE.

IT'S IT'S THERE'S A REASON WHY WE HAD A LABYRINTH OF CITY OFFICES IN THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THAT BUILDING IS SET UP.

AND EVEN IF WE ARE WERE TO RECONFIGURE, IT'S NOT IDEAL FOR REHEARSAL SPACE.

WHAT OF THAT 600? THAT'S 6000 SQUARE FEET CAN BE USED FOR STORAGE SPACE, FOR THEATER COMPANIES OR FOR DANCE GROUPS OR WHATEVER IT IS.

THERE ARE BETTER SPACES IN THE CITY FOR THAT KIND OF USE.

THE AUDITORIUM.

I THINK THERE'S CONSENSUS AROUND USING IT FOR SOMETHING.

I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE.

AND THEN THE EVENT SPACE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEY, AND I'LL POINT OUT, IT'S ONLY 89 PEOPLE WHO RESPONDED TO THIS LATEST SURVEY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SURVEY, THE THING THAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT, THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT PERFORMANCE SPACE, WHICH WE CAN DO IN THIS BUILDING.

WE CAN MAKE IT MULTIPURPOSE.

WHETHER THE COUNCIL MEETS THERE OR NOT, IT CAN BE A PERFORMANCE SPACE AS WELL.

THEY ARE LOOKING FOR EVENT SPACE, WHICH IS THE NOT.

IT'S THE OTHER NOT 49 OR 60, IT'S THE OTHER, IT'S THE 3000 AND CHANGE SQUARE FEET THAT'S IN EITHER OPTION.

THAT COURTYARD, THAT OPEN SPACE, THAT AVAILABLE MEETING SPACE THAT'S IN EITHER OPTION.

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THAT CAN BE YOUR ART GALAS AND YOUR OPENINGS AND YOUR COCKTAIL PARTIES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A DEDICATED ARTS BUILDING TO SERVICE THE ARTS IN THE WAY THAT WE REALLY COULD USE THIS BUILDING TO DO.

I THINK IT WAS A NICE IDEA THAT THE COMMITTEE CAME UP WITH, BUT THEY KEYED IN ON SOME THINGS REALLY EARLY ON.

IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT COMMITTEE AND MAYOR, YOU WERE YOU WERE THERE, YOU WERE THERE FOR THOSE MEETINGS AND THINGS, THEY KEYED IN ON SOME THINGS THAT ARE NOT WELL SUITED TO THE ACTUAL BUILT SPACE THAT WE HAVE AND THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BETTER PROVIDE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

FOR INSTANCE, IF THE CITY COUNCIL WERE NO LONGER MEETING IN THESE CHAMBERS OVER HERE IN THIS BUILDING, THAT SPACE, A NICE BUILT OUT SPACE, COULD BE AVAILABLE FOR SMALL PERFORMANCES, IT COULD BE AVAILABLE FOR REHEARSAL SPACE, IT COULD BE AVAILABLE FOR, GOSH, A PART OF THE ARTS AND JAZZ FESTIVAL THAT HAPPENS IN THIS PARK WHERE WE'RE SITTING, PART OF THE BLUES FEST.

ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE A NATURAL FIT FOR WHAT IS ALREADY HERE.

JUST LIKE CITY COUNCIL IS A NATURAL FIT FOR THE BUILDING.

WE HAD THE FORESIGHT TO BUILD OURSELVES BACK IN 1927.

I THINK YOU WANT TO ASK THE AV PEOPLE BEFORE WE ASSUME THEY CAN'T MAKE THINGS WORK OR CAN'T DO THINGS.

AND I WANT THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS ABOUT PARKING.

OUR PARKING SITUATION DOWNTOWN IS COMPLEX.

IT IS VERY EASY TO LOOK AT PARKING, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING AROUND AT AT LUNCH TIME TRYING TO FIND YOUR SPOT AND SAY THAT THAT YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO THE PARKING SITUATION. EVERY CITIZEN IN THE CITY HAS A SOLUTION TO THE PARKING PROBLEM.

THERE IS MORE PARKING IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT FOR THE PUBLIC TO THAT BUILDING THAN THERE IS TO THIS ONE.

IF YOU FIGURE IN YOU'VE GOT CITY, THE CIVIC CENTER OVER HERE, THEN YEAH, WITH A HIKE YOU CAN USE THAT.

BUT THERE IS MORE PARKING RIGHT UP ON TOP OF THE 1927 HISTORIC CITY HALL THAN THERE IS TO THIS ONE.

WE ALREADY HAVE STAFF AVAILABLE PARKING ACROSS THE STREET IN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CENTER.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PUTTING 300 PEOPLE, 300 STAFF PEOPLE WORKING IN THIS BUILDING.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MANAGEABLE GROUP OF FOLKS, THE SAME FOLKS WHO ARE FINDING A WAY TO PARK HERE AT THIS FACILITY.

I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING.

I THINK THAT WE CAN MAKE IT WORK AND I DON'T THINK WE DO OURSELVES A SERVICE BY PLANNING FOR A CITY HALL THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THE 2000 PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP TO TALK ABOUT GAS WELLS AND OTHER THINGS WHEN REALLY WHAT WE HAVE IS, ON YOUR AVERAGE TUESDAY, A SMALLER GROUP OF FOLKS THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IN THIS BUILDING WITH THIS PARKING SITUATION.

AND IF PROTESTERS WANT TO GO DOWNTOWN AND BUY SOME ICE CREAM AFTERWARDS, IT'S A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO MAKE IT FROM THAT BUILDING FROM THIS ONE.

YEAH. I'LL JUST RESPOND BRIEFLY.

I JUST. WE'RE AHEAD OF OURSELVES.

RIGHT. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS BUILDING.

WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION LATER.

BUT I'LL SAY THIS.

THERE'S I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYONE TALK ABOUT A DIFFICULTY PARKING AT THE CIVIC CENTER.

I'VE NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE TALKING ABOUT DIFFICULTY PARKING AT THIS BUILDING.

I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY TALK ABOUT DIFFICULTY IN GETTING TO THE POST OFFICE.

I HAVE HEARD OF PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT PARKING DOWNTOWN AND WE'RE TALKING EVENINGS.

WE'RE NOT TALKING DURING THE DAYTIME HOUR.

AND SO, YEAH, NO.

AND I AND I EVEN WILL CONCEDE.

CERTAINLY. CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT.

CALL IT MULTI SPACE, MULTIPURPOSE SPACE FOR 6445 FEET.

CALL IT OFFICES.

EITHER WAY, AN OFFICE TRANSLATES GENERALLY THE SAME.

I THINK THE SUBSTANTIVE DIFFERENCE IS YOU'RE TALKING THAT AUDITORIUM.

AND THAT'S WHY I HIGHLIGHTED THAT, BECAUSE HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE USED IS NOTEWORTHY.

I DON'T HAVE TO ASK THE AV PEOPLE.

I'VE TALKED TO THEM A NUMBER OF TIMES.

IT'S DIFFICULT TO MOVE FROM HERE TO OVER THERE TO SHIFT TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, BUILDING THOSE.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I REGULARLY HEAR THEM TALK ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO TAKE THIS SHOW ON THE ROAD.

WE CAN'T GO TO DIFFERENT PLACES FOR THAT REASON.

AND I USED TO WORK IN INDUSTRY.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT TAKES AND IT'S BETTER TO JUST LEAVE THINGS AND NOT HAVE TO MOVE THEM AROUND.

THAT IS TRUE.

AND SO AGAIN, OFFICES OF SOME SORT, WE CAN SORT ALL THAT OUT.

WE'VE JUST GOT TO BUILD IT AND GET THAT DONE.

BUT FORWARD LOOKING, JUST THE CITY MANAGER, YOU'LL HAVE A PREVIEW OF HOW THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT A NEW CITY HALL.

BUT I'LL TELL YOU, NO DIFFERENT THAN AND THEN I'LL SAY THIS WE CAN'T.

IT'S JUST AS MUCH AS WE CAN'T PLAN FOR THE LARGER CONTENTIOUS ITEMS WHICH ARE GOING TO COME, WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO PLAN FOR SAFETY. AND AND I JUST I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR ANSWER ON THE ELEVATOR THING BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT GOES TO THE FLOOR.

WE NEED IT, TOO. BUT I COULD BE ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

I'VE ONLY BEEN IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THERE.

AND WHAT I SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT WAS THE LANDINGS FOR THE STEPS AND THOSE ARE OUTSIDE.

AND THEN YOU STEP INTO ENTRYWAY IN THOSE ADDITIONAL TWO LANDINGS.

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I JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE ELEVATOR.

I DON'T REMEMBER.

AND THEN I'LL SAY THIS CITY OF RICHARDSON, NEWER CITY, JUST HAD A CITY HALL FIRE.

THE FIRES HAPPENED, UNFORTUNATELY, AND I'M NOT WILLING TO BANK ON A REALLY SMALL ELEVATOR THAT IS REALLY ANTIQUATED AND A RAMP OR TWO JUST TO HOPE ALL GOES WELL THAT I AM JUST CALL ME RISK ADVERSE.

BUT FIRES HAPPEN, EMERGENCIES HAPPEN.

WE HAVE TO GO.

AND IN THOSE INSTANCES IN 2022, WE CAN'T PLAN AND HOPE THAT IT'S NOT A BIG FIRE AND WE CAN REEL EVERYBODY DOWN A RAMP AND AN ELEVATOR FAST ENOUGH. I JUST CAN'T GET THERE.

SO DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THE ELEVATOR? IF YOU COULD, PLEASE? SURE.

RESTORING THE AUDITORIUM WOULD REQUIRE WHAT WE'VE CALLED OUT AS A LULA, WHICH IS A LIMITED IT'S A SMALLER FOOTPRINT OF AN ELEVATOR, BUT PROVIDES FULL ACCESSIBILITY. SO THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR A NEW ELEVATOR SYSTEM TO ACCESS THE AUDITORIUM.

SO TO PUT A FINER POINT ON THAT, THE EXISTING ELEVATOR DOES NOT GO TO THE AUDITORIUM.

IT DOES NOT. IT WAS BUILT FOR THE POLICE STATION WHEN THERE WERE THE INFILL FLOORS.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? CNN MAYOR, THE CITY MANAGER.

THERE IS ANOTHER.

JUST THROW IT OUT HERE.

THE THING I HATE WORSE IS FOR THIS BUILDING TO SIT HERE FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER.

WE DO HAVE WINDOWS IN IT, BUT THE LONGER IT SITS, THE MORE WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE DEGRADATION OF IT.

IF THE COUNCIL IS LEANING TOWARDS I THINK THE MAYOR'S MENTIONED IT.

COUNCIL MEMBER MAGUIRE HAS MENTIONED IT.

MAYOR PRO TEM HAS YOU, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT AS SOME SORT OF MORE FINE ARTS TYPE SPACES, YOU CAN MOVE PARKS AND RECREATION IN THERE, HAVE THEM MANAGE THAT FACILITY FOR SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC SPACE.

YOU COULD ALSO, THOUGH, BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO FIND ANOTHER PLACE FOR OUR COURTS TO HAVE A COURT.

IT COULD HAVE A COURT IN THAT BUILDING.

WE COULD HAVE A COURT SET UP WHERE THE JUDGE COULD BE OVER THERE AND HAVE A SMALL STAFF THERE.

AND IT COULD BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE, EVEN AS A COURT, AND THEN HAVE SOME FUNCTION OF FINE ARTS WITH IT BEING MANAGED AND HAVE PARK STAFF HOUSED OUT OF THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE SERVICE CENTER.

THAT'S THE OTHER REASON IS WE HAVE A SERVICE CENTER THAT IS A BUILDING THAT HAS TO COME DOWN.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND SPACE FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES.

SO THERE'S JUST THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS HERE.

THESE WERE TWO. BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP TO JUST SAY, LET'S JUST LET IT SIT, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE'LL HAVE TO WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANYONE INTERESTED IN RE-USE AND I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD SIT.

I TAKE YOUR POINT THERE JUST TO MAKE SURE MY DIRECTION IS CLEAR.

I JUST I THINK IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO WORK ON THE OFFICE FUNDED, GET THE OFFICES SET UP AND WE'LL, YOU KNOW, DESIGN BUILD WILL RENT WE'LL DO I MEAN I THINK THERE ARE STEPS WE CAN TAKE TO TO LEASE THOSE TO AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

SO I'M FOR MOVING FORWARD I'M JUST THAT STOPS AT USING IT AS A COUNCIL CHAMBERS JUST YOU KNOW YEAH I WOULD SAY WE MAY HAVE GOT A LITTLE SIDETRACKED JUST BECAUSE COUNCILMEMBER RYAN DAVIS I'M SORRY, MENTIONED MENTIONED THE CITY COUNCIL THERE, BUT REALLY THE OPTIONS WERE CITY OFFICES IN THERE ALONG WITH SOME KIND OF SHARED USE SPACE OR ARTS, WHETHER WE PUT PARKS IN THERE AND WE MAKE IT A, YOU KNOW, A CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS OR WE PUT CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IN THERE AND WE MAKE IT TO THE COURT THAT THAT'S NOT THAT'LL BE KIND OF DECIDED BY THE MASTER PLAN AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO I THINK WE MAY GOT A LITTLE SIDETRACKED, BUT THAT'S REALLY KIND OF WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTIONAL.

AND IF WE WANT TO PUT MUNICIPAL OFFICES IN THERE OR STRICTLY THAT SHARED ARTS FACILITY.

GOT IT. A MAYOR PRO TEM, THEN COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE, IF YOU IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, MR. MAYOR, COUNCILOR BIRD HASN'T SPOKEN YET.

I'D RATHER GO AFTER HER, IF THAT'S OKAY.

COUNCILMAN BURT, THANK YOU FOR THE GENEROSITY.

I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE.

BY THE WAY, THE I LIKE OPTION TWO.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF THIS FACILITY BEING ABLE TO HOUSE MORE IN VARIOUS TYPES OF MUNICIPAL OFFICES.

I THINK THAT AREA SHOULD BE USED IN THAT MANNER.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF MOVING THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS IN THAT AREA.

AND IF THERE IS ENOUGH SPACE FOR AN EVENTS CENTER JUST SHARING THAT SPACE WITH THE COMMUNITY, THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT A CITY COUNCIL MEETS ANYWAY.

SO THAT'LL BE A GREAT IDEA FOR THEM TO BE IN THE SAME SPACE.

AND WE CAN SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHERE SOME OF THE OFFICES ARE LOCATED.

SO OPTION TWO WOULD BE IT FOR ME IF WE WERE TO, IF THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

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SO I'M REALLY GRATEFUL THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.

I'M HEARING HEARTBURN ABOUT GENERALLY WE HAVE THESE BUILDINGS, THESE BUILDINGS, THESE BUILDINGS.

WE HAVE THESE NEEDS, THESE NEEDS, THESE NEEDS.

IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE CONSIDERING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TEAR THIS BUILDING DOWN, IT'S HISTORIC.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO TEAR CITY HALL WEST DOWN.

IT'S HISTORIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO RENOVATE THEM.

WE'RE GOING TO REUSE THEM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO EXIST WITHIN THOSE FOOTPRINTS AS THEY THEY NOW ARE, BECAUSE THEY'RE HISTORIC BUILDINGS.

SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE I WOULD RECOMMEND WE COME UP WITH A A COMPREHENSIVE, DARE I SAY IT, HOLISTIC MASTER PLAN FOR THESE SPACES WITH A ROTATION SCHEDULE SO THAT ULTIMATELY THE COURTS ARE GOING HERE.

WE KNOW HALF THE POLICE IS GOING THERE.

WE KNOW CITY HALL IS GOING HERE, AND THAT'S SORT OF LONG TERM PLANNING CAN BE INCORPORATED EVEN IF ONE OF THE INTERSTITIAL STEPS IS OK FOR TWO YEARS, YOU'RE GOING TO BE HERE WHILE WE DO THIS, THAT OR THE OTHER THING.

THAT'S UGLY, BUT IT MIGHT BE.

LONG RUN CHEAPER THAN THEN, CONSTANTLY PLAYING LEAPFROG WITH ONE BUILDING.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO MAYBE HONESTLY TABLE THIS AND COME BACK AND SAY, WHAT IS OUR PROGRAMING NEEDS AS A CITY RATHER THAN WHAT IS OUR PROGRAMING NEEDS AS A BUILDING? THE TWO DOCUMENTS THAT TREVOR MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION, WE'VE DONE THE CONDITION ASSESSMENT OF THE BUILDINGS.

MOST OF THOSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE AT THEIR USEFUL LIVES ARE GOING TO BE THE UTILITY BASED AND NOT MORE PART OF THE BOND CONVERSATION.

AND WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT USING THE SPACE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES ARE REALLY ALL THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE SENSE TO BE DOWNTOWN CENTRALLY LOCATED.

SO COMING IN DECEMBER, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH YOU OF WHERE SHOULD BUILDINGS BE IN THE CITY FOR OUR SERVICES.

BUT IT IS PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON THE UTILITY GROUPS AS WHERE THEY BELONG IN TOWN.

CENTRALLY LOCATED WOULD ALWAYS BE OUR ADMINISTRATIVE GROUPS.

CUSTOMER, MAGUIRE. AH, YES.

THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M READY TO GIVE DIRECTION, SINCE I HADN'T DONE THAT YET.

I. STILL REMAINS SKEPTICAL ABOUT THE IDEA OF USING CITY HALL WEST AS COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

I AGREE THAT THE COUNCIL MAY NOT BE WELL SUITED TO BE LIKE A CITY, THE CITY'S VERSION OF THE MARXIAN, RIGHT. IT'S NOT GOING TO IT'S THERE'S THERE'S NO WAY TO ENGINEER IT TO HAVE THAT KIND OF SOUND QUALITY.

THERE'S NO WAY TO ENGINEER IT TO HAVE THAT KIND OF CAPACITY.

THAT'S THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS CONVERSATION REVISITED AS PART OF A LARGER CONVERSATION AROUND MUNICIPAL SPACE.

I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RENOVATING THE PERFORMANCE PERFORMANCE SPACE TO BE A MULTI-USE, FLEXIBLE SPACE THAT COULD BE USED FOR COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND SMALL PERFORMANCES.

BUT YEAH, ULTIMATELY I AGREE THAT BOTH CITY HALL WEST AND THIS BUILDING, THEY'RE HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT NEED TO BE PRESERVED.

THEY HAVE WONDERFUL POTENTIAL FOR USE AS OFFICE SPACE.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO LONG TERM PLANS FOR COUNCIL CHAMBERS, WE NEED A SPACE THAT'S LARGER AND MORE ACCESSIBLE THAN EITHER OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY TALKING ABOUT.

SO I'M SORRY, THAT'S WAY TOO MANY WORDS.

MY DIRECTION IS OPTION ONE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CAN USE THIS SPACE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE ARTS.

WE CAN INCLUDE OFFICE SPACE IN THERE.

WE CAN INCLUDE THE COURTS.

IF IF THIS IS A GOOD SPACE FOR THE COURTS, BUT NOT FOR COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

COUNCILOR MCGEE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION FROM YOU ALL, AS I'VE JUST BEEN LAYING BACK IN THE CUT AND LISTENING.

I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT.

MOVING COUNCIL CHAMBERS AS WELL.

I, TOO, SHARE YOUR SKEPTICISM ON THAT.

WHAT I REALLY KEYED IN ON IS THE 98% CAPACITY THAT WE'RE ALREADY AT THAT WAS CRUCIAL TO ME.

AND HAVING JUST BEEN OVER AT THE SERVICE CENTER EARLIER TODAY, SEEING THE LAYOUT.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM IF WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT HIRING JUST UNDER 50 PEOPLE A YEAR, THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO GET INCREASINGLY WORSE.

SO I, OF COURSE, SHARED THAT WHAT I KEYED IN, I'M GOING TO GO WITH OPTION TWO.

I AGAIN, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING CITY HALL AND I SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS.

I'M GOING TO GO WITH OPTION TWO BECAUSE WHAT I REALLY KEYED ON ARE THOSE 30 OR 40 POTENTIAL MUNICIPAL OFFICES OVER THERE.

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I THINK THAT IS THAT WE NEED THAT SPACE.

WE NEEDED IT YESTERDAY IF WE'RE BEING HONEST.

SO MY DIRECTION, I'M GOING TO GO WITH THE OPTION TO GO BACK.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

Y'ALL INDULGE ME A LOT TODAY, SO I'M GOING TO BE REALLY BRIEF.

I HAVE TWO TWO SMALL REQUESTS AGAIN, JUST COMING FROM ONE COUNCILMEMBER, BUT HERE ARE MY TWO SMALL REQUESTS.

ONE, I'D LIKE TO START REFERRING TO THIS BUILDING AS HISTORIC CITY HALL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

CITY HALL WEST IS.

I REALLY DON'T LIKE ANYTHING WITH A COMPASS DIRECTION IN IT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY TELL YOU WHERE IT'S AT.

IT JUST TELLS YOU IT'S OVER THERE FROM HERE.

SO I PREFER HISTORIC CITY HALL, JUST A CONVERSATION TO HAVE.

AND HONESTLY, I THINK IF THERE'S CONSENSUS AROUND OPTION TWO, AS WE BEGIN FLESHING OUT WHAT OPTION TWO LOOKS LIKE, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WHAT I KIND OF THOUGHT WAS INTRINSIC TO THIS CONVERSATION.

AND THAT IS WHERE DOES CITY COUNCIL MEET? I WE BROUGHT IT UP AS A CITY COUNCIL PRIORITY.

IT HAS BECOME PART OF THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE OF WHAT THAT BUILDING HISTORICALLY WAS USED FOR.

I PERSONALLY I DON'T THINK I'M STAYING AGNOSTIC ON THAT COUNCIL PRIORITY, BUT I DON'T THINK I LIKE THE IDEA OF A BIG BRAND SPANKING NEW CITY HALL WITH THAT LOOKS LIKE IT CAME OUT OF BACK TO THE FUTURE OR SOMETHING OVER ON COURTHOUSE DRIVE OFF THE LOOP.

THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

FOR DENTON. THIS DOWNTOWN BUILDING I THINK FITS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, FOR DENTON BETTER.

SO I FEEL LIKE WE OUGHT TO HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION IF WE'RE MOVING THE DIRECTION OF NUMBER TWO, THAT WE NEED TO COME BACK AND HAVE A DIFFERENT, MORE FOCUSED CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE TO HAVE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS DOWNTOWN? WHAT WHAT KIND OF NEEDS WOULD THAT SPACE NEED? CAN WE DO IT IN THAT BUILDING? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANY OF US SHOULD SIT HERE AND REPRESENT THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WITHOUT TALKING TO SOME OF THE FOLKS WHO ACTUALLY PUT THESE MEETINGS ON, WHO PREPARE EVERYTHING FOR US, WHO WOULD ACTUALLY LIVE AND LIVE AND WORK IN THAT SPACE.

YEAH, I WOULD SAY IF OPTION TWO IS THE IS THE WAY IT IS WHERE WE'RE LEANING AND WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND BRAINSTORM SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND IDEAS OF WHO WOULD BE HOUSED IN THERE AND WHAT THAT WHAT THAT SPACE LOOKS LIKE AND BRING THAT BACK.

AND THIS WHATEVER OPTION WE CHOOSE WILL BE FOLDED INTO THAT FACILITY'S MASTER PLAN THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING.

AND SO THAT'S A BIG PIECE OF THIS AS WELL.

GREAT. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S I THINK EVERYONE'S ON BOARD WITH MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE PROGRAMING COMPONENT AND I'M GOING TO ASK THIS, BILLY IS LISTEN, AND OBVIOUSLY, BILLY, IF YOU CAN PUT IN A FRIDAY REPORT YOUR COMMENTS THERE, THAT THAT WILL SAVE YOU FROM WALKING OVER.

BUT THAT WAY YOU HEARD AND TO THIS COUNCIL, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

BUT AND I'LL JUST SAY, I MEAN, IT'S IT'S JUST NOTEWORTHY TO ME.

NEXT WEEK WE'RE GOING TO MEET WITH.

THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.

WHERE'S THAT MEETING GOING TO BE? IT'S AT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CENTER, I BELIEVE SO.

IT'S NOT HERE AT CITY HALL.

WHY IS THAT? RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

OKAY. AND WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THOSE.

WE HAVE SCHOOL BOARDS. WE HAVE, LIKE, OK.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding citywide regulation of criminal history information on job applications. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

RECEIVE REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING CITYWIDE REGULATION OF CRIMINAL HISTORY INFORMATION ON JOB APPLICATIONS.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL RYAN ADAMS, CHIEF OF STAFF.

SO IN THIS PRESENTATION, THAT WAS QUITE A CAPTION.

WE WILL REFER TO THIS ISSUE AS FAIR CHANCE HIRING.

JUST TO KIND OF KEEP IT SIMPLE FOR THE COUNCIL.

SO JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THIS PRESENTATION IS SUBSEQUENT TO A TWO MINUTE POLICY PITCH MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE BACK ON AUGUST 2ND TO HEAR A WORK SESSION ON FAIR CHANCE HIRING.

AT THE TIME, I BELIEVE IT WAS REFERRED TO AS BAN THE BOX.

AND FAIR CHANCE HIRING IN GENERAL JUST TO KIND OF GIVE EVERYONE A BIT OF BACKGROUND.

IT'S ALSO KNOWN AS BAN THE BOX IS A POLICY OR PRACTICE OF NOT CONSIDERING AN APPLICANT'S CRIMINAL HISTORY IN AN EMPLOYMENT APPLICATION UNTIL LATER IN THE HIRING PROCESS.

TYPICALLY, THAT IS GENERALLY CONSIDERED TO BE AFTER CONDITIONAL OFFER IS MADE, BUT THERE'S NO STANDARD TIME IN THE HIRING PROCESS JUST TOWARD THE END AS A GENERAL RULE OF THUMB. THIS DOES NOT, HOWEVER, LIMIT THE AUTHORITY OF A POTENTIAL EMPLOYER TO WITHDRAW EMPLOYMENT FOR ANY LAWFUL REASON SUBSEQUENT TO THAT BACKGROUND CHECK OR CRIMINAL HISTORY CHECK. TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND ON THIS ISSUE, WE DID A BIT OF RESEARCH, AND ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL EMPLOYMENT LAW PROJECT IN YELP, 37 STATES AND 150 CITIES AND COUNTIES ENACTED FAIR CHANCE LAWS BAN THE BOX LAWS FOR THEMSELVES AS PUBLIC EMPLOYERS.

AND OF THESE 15 STATES AND 22 CITIES OR COUNTIES ACROSS THE NATION EXTENDED THESE REGULATIONS TO PRIVATE EMPLOYERS.

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TITLE SEVEN OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT DOES PLAY DOES COME INTO PLAY HERE.

THEY IT PERMITS CRIMINAL HISTORY AND PROVIDED HOWEVER THAT APPLICATION OF THAT INFORMATION CANNOT VIOLATE THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT WITH REGARD TO A PROTECTED CLASS. SO YOU CAN'T USE THAT INFORMATION TO DISCRIMINATE ON A PROTECTED CLASS AND THEN TO AVOID DISCRIMINATIONS, EMPLOYERS TYPICALLY CONDUCT INDIVIDUALIZED ASSESSMENTS OF CANDIDATES CRIMINAL RECORDS.

SO YOU RECEIVE THAT INFORMATION AND YOU LOOK AT IT INDIVIDUALLY AND NOT AS PART OF A GROUP OF EMPLOYEES OR A PART OF A GROUP OF CONDITIONS.

SOME FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS DO REQUIRE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS BE PERFORMED FOR SOME POSITIONS.

WE DID GIVE A FEW EXAMPLES FOR THE COUNCIL PEACE OFFICERS, CRIMINAL JUSTICE CERTIFICATIONS, INSURANCE, CHILD CARE.

CERTAIN ENERGY SECTORS DO REQUIRE BACKGROUND CHECKS.

THERE IS, HOWEVER, NO REQUIREMENT AS TO WHEN THIS SHOULD BE PERFORMED WITHIN FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS.

SO THEY DON'T GIVE ANY DIRECTION OR DON'T GIVE ANY ANY ANY FORMAL RULES ON WHETHER YOU HAVE TO DO IT FIRST MIDDLE END OF AN APPLICATION PERIOD.

IT JUST HAS TO BE DONE AT SOME POINT BEFORE SOMEONE IS HIRED.

LET'S SEE. SO AGAIN, NO FEDERAL STATE LAWS PROHIBIT INQUIRING ABOUT CRIMINAL HISTORY PRIOR TO A CONDITIONAL EMPLOYMENT OFFER.

IN FACT, THE EEOC DOES STATE THAT AS A BEST PRACTICE, EMPLOYERS SHOULD CONSIDER ASKING THESE QUESTIONS LATER IN THE HIRING PROCESS.

SO THERE IS SOME LOCAL REGULATION, A FAIR CHANCE HIRING.

NOW, WE'LL NOTE THAT BUSINESSES MAY TO SOME DEGREE ALREADY UTILIZE FAIR CHANCE HIRING DUE TO EXISTING CORPORATE REQUIREMENTS OR UTILIZATION OF BEST PRACTICES.

SO IF YOU HAVE A LARGE CORPORATE PRESENCE IN THE CITY OF DENTON, FOR INSTANCE, SAY, A TARGET OR A WAL MART WHERE THEY HAVE OPERATIONS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, ALL OVER THE WORLD, THEY MAY ALREADY DO THAT AS A MATTER OF PRACTICE.

AS AN EXAMPLE, CITY OF DENTON.

AS AN EMPLOYER, WE DO NOT INQUIRE ABOUT CRIMINAL HISTORY OR CONDUCT BACKGROUND CHECKS UNTIL A CONDITIONAL OFFER OF EMPLOYMENT HAS BEEN MADE.

AND I'LL NOTE THAT MOST CITIES AND COUNTIES LISTED WITH THE LP THAT HAVE ENACTED THOSE FAIR CHANCE HIRING LAWS HAVE DONE SO IN A WAY THAT JUST APPLIES TO THEIR ORGANIZATION AS AN EMPLOYER.

AND I'LL NOTE THAT AN EVEN GREATER NUMBER MAY ALSO USE THIS IN PRACTICE.

THEY JUST HAVE NOT PASSED AN ORDINANCE ON IT.

SO IT MAY SIMPLY BE A POLICY OR PRACTICE THAT THEY DO, BUT IT'S NOT FORMALIZED IN ANY TYPE OF COUNCIL APPROVED ORDINANCE.

SO THERE ARE ABOUT SIX ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS WHO HAVE ENACTED FORMAL LAWS RELATED TO FAIR CHANCE HIRING.

FOUR OF THOSE, THEY APPLY ONLY TO THE ORGANIZATION OF LISTED THEM THERE ON THE SCREEN, AND TWO OF THEM APPLY ACROSS THEIR JURISDICTION.

SO THEY ALSO APPLY TO PRIVATE EMPLOYERS AS WELL, WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS.

IF COUNCIL WERE TO DIRECT STAFF TO EXPLORE AN ORDINANCE, STAFF WOULD BUILD IT WITH SEVERAL CONSIDERATIONS IN MIND HOW WE DEFINE CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE ORDINANCE, WHO IT APPLIES TO AND WHO IS EXEMPT IN TERMS OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTOR BUSINESSES, ORGANIZATIONS, EMPLOYERS, WHAT REQUIREMENTS ARE THERE, HOW WE WOULD ADMINISTER IT, HOW WE WOULD INVESTIGATE OR FACILITATE THE INVESTIGATION, AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE A PENALTY FOR VIOLATING THE ORDINANCE.

NOW COUNCIL IS NOT GIVING STAFF ANY DIRECTION, BUT WE DID SEE SOME TRENDS IN TERMS OF EXCLUSIONS OR EXEMPTIONS TO THESE TYPES OF ORDINANCES.

FIRST OFF, OTHER GOVERNMENTAL GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES THAT WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER WOULD LIKELY BE EXEMPT COUNTIES, SCHOOL DISTRICTS, HIGHER EDUCATION, ANY POSITIONS WHERE FEDERAL, STATE OR OTHER LAW REQUIRE A BACKGROUND CHECK.

COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO JUST BLANKET EXEMPT THEM FROM THE PROCESS.

AND THEN ENTITIES WITH LESS THAN 15 FULL TIME EMPLOYEES WAS ALSO A COMMON TREND.

SO WE DID REACH OUT TO, AND I SHOULD SAY THROUGH THE CHAMBER TO GET SOME EARLY FEEDBACK FROM BUSINESSES ON A POTENTIAL FAIR CHANCE HIRING ORDINANCE.

THE GROUP THAT WE SPOKE TO WAS THEIR PUBLIC AFFAIRS GROUP.

SO IT WAS NOT EVERY BUSINESS, BUT IT WAS A, I WOULD SAY, A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE.

THEY DID NOT GENERALLY SUPPORT A FAIR CHANCE HIRING ORDINANCE, THOUGH THEY DID EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR VOLUNTARY PROGRAMS THAT HAD THE SAME GOALS IN MIND.

THE FEEDBACK THAT STAFF RECEIVED FOCUSED IN ON CONCERNS.

IF THIS WAS A SOLUTION WITHOUT A PROBLEM, WHAT PROBLEM WE MIGHT BE TRYING TO SOLVE.

THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF RESTARTING A HIRING PROCESS.

SO, FOR INSTANCE, THEIR CONCERN WAS IF WE ARE GOING TO EXTEND AN OFFER AND THEN WITHDRAW THAT OFFER BASED ON CRIMINAL HISTORY CHECK, WE THEN HAVE TO RESTART OUR PROCESS BECAUSE THOSE OTHER OPTIONS, OPTIONAL CANDIDATES, THOSE OTHER CANDIDATES WE WERE LOOKING AT MAY HAVE TAKEN OTHER OFFERS AND THAT HAS AN ECONOMIC IMPACT TO THEIR

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AND THEN THEY NOTED THAT PUBLIC EDUCATION MAY BE A CHALLENGE BECAUSE IT IS DIFFICULT TO CONVEY PUBLICLY TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT THIS DOES NOT KEEP THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO MAKE THE HIRING DECISION AS THEY WISH.

IT'S JUST A DEFERRAL OF A CERTAIN PART OF THE PROCESS TO LATER IN THE PROCESS.

SO WE DID WANT TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL SOME CONSIDERATIONS FOR HOW THIS MIGHT BE IMPLEMENTED.

THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO CONDUCT INVESTIGATIONS INTERNALLY.

WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING RESOURCES TO DO THAT.

SO IMPLEMENTATION COULD FOLLOW THE MODEL THAT WE'VE SET OUT FOR THE NONDISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE, THE NDO THAT WAS RECENTLY PASSED BY COUNCIL AND THAT PROCESS A COMPLAINT IS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY.

THE CITY REFERS THE COMPLAINT TO A THIRD PARTY INVESTIGATOR THAT IS THEN REFERRED TO THE CITY PROSECUTOR FOR POSSIBLE CITATION.

AND WE WOULD PROBABLY ANTICIPATE SIMILAR ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGES AS WE ADVISE WITH THE NDO.

WE'VE BEEN USING A THIRD PARTY TO DO THE INVESTIGATION PARDON ME.

AND THEN ALSO COMMUNICATING THE THE INS AND OUTS OF WHAT THIS PROCESS IS.

SO WE'RE HERE TO SEEK DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ISSUE, IF THAT DIRECTION MAY BE TO PROVIDE A DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR FURTHER REVIEW AND DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE WORK SESSION FROM COUNCIL.

AND WE WOULD UTILIZE EXISTING ORDINANCES AND MODEL ORDINANCES THAT ARE OUT IN THE WORLD USED BY CITIES TO PULL TOGETHER SOMETHING TO GIVE TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION THAT REFLECTS AN OPTION FOR FOR IMPLEMENTING THIS IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

COUNCIL MAY PROVIDE DIRECTION TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN CERTAIN AREAS AND COME BACK FOR MORE DISCUSSION BEFORE GIVING A DRAFT ORDINANCE.

NO DIRECTION OR SOME OTHER DIRECTION ARE ALSO OPTIONS.

SO THIS WAS A VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE.

AND I YIELD. GOT IT.

I'M GOING TO GET OUT OF WAY EARLY.

I DON'T. I THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE.

GREAT TO KNOW. I'M HAPPY THE CITY'S EXECUTING THAT ALREADY.

IT'S NOT I DON'T FEEL IT'S THE COUNCIL'S JOB TO MICROMANAGE BUSINESS OWNERS AT THIS LEVEL.

I THINK THERE'S A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AGENCY THAT DOES THAT AND MANAGES THAT SPACE.

AND SO I'D LET THE PROFESSIONALS AND THOSE THAT DEAL WITH THAT EVERY DAY DEAL WITH THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO BECOME A PASS THROUGH FOR THAT.

AND SO I, I RESPECT THE FACT THAT THE CITY ALREADY DOES IT.

I RESPECT THE FACT THAT THE FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THAT, THAT COMMITTEE AND THOSE SUBSET OF BUSINESSES DON'T SUPPORT THIS, DON'T AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR NEEDS HAVING OWNED A BUSINESS BEFORE I UNDERSTAND THOSE CONCERNS AND DON'T WANT TO ADD ANOTHER EXTRA LAYER OF BUREAUCRACY THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

SO THAT'S MY APPROACH.

COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS. THANK YOU.

MAYOR, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

SO YOU SHOWED US THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE THE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES THAT ARE ALREADY DOING THIS AS THEIR OWN INTERNAL POLICY THAT THEY PUT INTO ORDINANCE, AND THEN AUSTIN AND DESOTO.

THEY HAVE THEY HAVE, I GUESS, ISSUED THESE BLANKET ORDINANCES THAT ARE ARE SUPPOSED TO APPLY TO ALL BUSINESSES OTHER THAN THE ACCEPTED ONES.

CORRECT. IN THEIR CITIES.

HOW LONG HAVE THOSE THOSE BEEN IN PLACE IN THOSE CITIES, DO YOU KNOW? KIND OF ROUGHLY. AUSTIN HAS BEEN ROUGHLY ABOUT FIVE OR SIX YEARS, I BELIEVE DESOTO IS QUITE RECENT.

I BELIEVE THAT CAME IN IN ABOUT 2021.

DO YOU KNOW IF THEY HAVE CRIMINAL OR CIVIL PENALTIES BUILT INTO THOSE ORDINANCES? THEY AUSTIN DOES AND DE SOTO DOES.

YES. AND HAVE THEY HAD ANY LEGAL CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE AWARE OF TO THOSE? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY, BUT WE'VE NOT SPECIFICALLY LOOKED AT THAT QUESTION.

SO WE'D HAVE TO BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK TO COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. MY DIRECTION WOULD BE THAT I LIKE THAT WE DO THIS ALREADY, THAT WE'VE MADE THE CHOICE AS AN EMPLOYER.

IF WE WANT TO ENSHRINE THAT IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, THEN I'M FINE WITH THAT.

I THINK THAT SHOWS LEADERSHIP IN THE AREA.

I THINK THAT WE RUN INTO TWO THINGS OUT IN THE WIDE WORLD.

ONE, THE EXCEPTIONS START TO SUBSUME THE RULE LIKE WE ARE MOSTLY GOVERNMENT EMPLOYERS IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

WE HAVE HEALTHY SMALL BUSINESSES.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE BULK OF PEOPLE, THEY'RE ARE EMPLOYED BY SCHOOL DISTRICT UNIVERSITIES, OURSELVES AND LARGE SCALE EMPLOYERS, AND THEY MAY ALREADY HAVE THESE POLICIES.

AND IF THEY DON'T, WELL, WE CAN'T REALLY MAKE THEM.

THAT'S THE OTHER HALF OF IT IS THIS IS UTTERLY UNENFORCEABLE.

YOU ALL KNOW MY FEELINGS ON THE NDO WELL INTENTIONED, THE RIGHT IDEA, BUT UTTERLY UNENFORCEABLE.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS.

THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO WITH THIS.

WE DON'T INVESTIGATE IT.

WE CAN PAY A CONSULTANT IF SOMEBODY HAS A COMPLAINT TO GO OUT AND INVESTIGATE IT.

AND THAT'S GOING TO END EXACTLY WHERE THE OTHER THING IS GOING TO END, WHICH IS LITERALLY NOTHING HAPPENING.

I'M ALL ABOUT IN PUBLIC EDUCATION, WORKING WITH THE CHAMBER, SHOWING BEST PRACTICES BY MAKING IT OUR OWN CODIFIED PRACTICE IN THE CITY.

I DON'T THINK THAT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AT LARGE NEEDS THIS FROM THEIR CITY.

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OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. MAYOR. I WAS STRUCK THE BY THE THE THE STATISTICS THAT YOU YOU PULLED OUT AT THE BEGINNING WHERE IT SEEMED LIKE, WHAT WAS IT, 37 STATES INTERNALLY AND 15 STATES.

STATE STATEWIDE TO PRIVATE.

SO THIS IS A THIS IS A DIRECTION WE'RE GOING.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN AS AS COUNSELOR DAVIS SAID, WE CAN WE CAN TRY TO BE ONE OF THE GROUPS THAT'S LEADING WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION FOLLOWING BEST PRACTICES FROM EEOC SETTING, SETTING A STANDARD WHICH WE ALREADY DO INTERNALLY.

AND NOW WE TAKE THAT NEXT STEP.

WE EXPAND IT TO TO THE THE LOGICAL NEXT STEP.

AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE STATISTICS, IF THE UNITED STATES IS GOING THIS WAY, THE UNITED STATES IS GOING THIS WAY, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A BUNCH OF OTHER POLICIES THAT WE HAVE FLOATING AROUND THE INTERFACE OF MUNICIPAL AND STATE AND FEDERAL GUIDELINES.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF POLICIES WHERE IF YOU FLIP, I THINK IT'S THE NEXT ONE.

THE ONE YOU LIST. THE THE THE THERE YOU GO.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT WE HAVE HERE THAT A LOT OF OUR BUSINESSES START HERE IN TOWN.

WE LOVE THAT. WE WANT TO SEE THEM LAUNCH, GROW AND EXPAND OUT TO OTHER LOCATIONS.

THOSE OTHER LOCATIONS DO THE SAME THING WITH US.

THEY THEY LAUNCH, THEY EXPAND OUT, THEY COME TO DENTON.

IF WE CAN ATTRACT THEM.

IN THAT SENSE, YOU YOU RUN INTO THE CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE WE WE NOW SAY, OKAY, ALL RIGHT, WELL, IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE OTHER ENTITIES THAT IS EXPANDED OUT FROM ONE OF THESE OTHER COUNTIES, ONE OF THESE OTHER CITIES THAT IS FOLLOWING SIMILAR SUIT, LOOKING AT THE NATIONAL TRENDS, I'M NOW ALIGNING WITH THOSE GOALS.

SO YOUR BUSINESS IN TOWN, IF YOU IF YOUR BUSINESS STARTED IN SAN ANTONIO AND YOU COME TO TOWN, YOU'RE PROBABLY FOLLOWING THAT SAN ANTONIO PROCEDURE JUST BECAUSE IT'S EASIER ON YOU.

SO YOU'RE ALREADY FOLLOWING THIS BEST PRACTICE LISTED BY THE EEOC AND BY FEDERAL EMPLOYMENT.

SO IF YOU HAVE A FEDERAL CONTRACT, YOU'VE GOT TO FOLLOW THE FEDERAL RULES.

IF YOU FOLLOW IF YOU FOLLOW ONE OF THESE OTHER COUNTY CONTRACTS NEARBY, YOU GOT TO FOLLOW THEIR RULES.

SO THERE'S NO SENSE HAVING MULTIPLE SETS OF RULES FOR A TOWN OF 152,000.

IF YOU HAVE TO MATCH A MILLION PLUS COUNTY OR, YOU KNOW, A MULTI MILLION PLUS STATE.

AND THERE'S THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT THIS IN AND INHIBITS THAT FINAL STEP THAT YOU LIKE YOU SAID THIS IS JUST SHIFTING THE WHEN THIS HAPPENS AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU COUCHED IT IN TERMS OF THE NADO FRAMEWORK.

I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND THAT OUR BUSINESSES, IF WE PASS THIS, IF WE GIVE DIRECTION AND MOVE FORWARD IN SOME FASHION OR ANOTHER, THEY'RE ALL LAW ABIDING.

THEY WILL DO IT. SO THE REASON WE WON'T HEAR ANY CONTENTION IS BECAUSE THEY'LL DO IT, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S JUST THE BUSINESS PRACTICE THAT THEY'LL NEED TO TAKE.

AND IT WON'T HURT ANYTHING IN THE END.

IT'LL JUST SIMPLY SHIFT A HIRING PRACTICE.

SO MY MY DIRECTION IS TO I THINK THAT WAS NUMBER ONE WAS TO GET YOU GUYS TO, TO WORK ON CRAFTING AN ORDINANCE THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT MAYBE SAMPLES BROADLY FROM THE SUCCESSES WE'VE HAD WITH THE NDO AND AND MOVE FORWARD IN THAT REGARD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

COUNCILMAN WHAT? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THEY DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO PUT A PENALTY IN FOR IT.

AND I THINK THIS IS MICROMANAGING BUSINESSES.

I THINK GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE THAT SHOWS WHO IN TEXAS HAS DONE THIS TO ME.

FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK THAT TEXAS NOR THE CITY OF DENTON NEEDS TO NECESSARILY DO EXACTLY WHAT QUOTE UNQUOTE, OTHER STATES ARE DOING.

IF TEXAS WANTED THIS, THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE WOULD HAVE PASSED IT.

WE'VE GOT TWO CITIES THAT APPLIES FOR THE JURISDICTION WITHIN ALL THE BUSINESSES.

DOES THE LC DOES NOT REQUIRE THIS, CORRECT? IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. SO SO IF IF IT WAS REALLY THIS BIG OF A PROBLEM, WOULD NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE EEOC SAY, YOU MUST DO THIS? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IF IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT, YOU DON'T TAKE THE COMPLAINT TO THE EEOC BECAUSE IT'S NOT REQUIRED.

IS THAT CORRECT, MR. CITY ATTORNEY? IN OTHER WORDS, ARE THEY ARE THEY HANDLING COMPLAINTS LIKE THEY DO IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE BEEN DISCRIMINATED AGAINST, UNLESS THAT'S THE REASON YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS

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IT'S HARD TO FIND THESE.

IN FACT, WE WERE TRYING TO FIND WHERE THERE'S BEEN SOME OF THESE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE HARD TO FIND AND FILTER OUT.

SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN THESE TYPES OF COMPLAINTS SPECIFICALLY TAKEN UP BY THE EEOC BASED ON THIS.

BUT WE DO KNOW THEY HAVE THE GUIDELINES OUT THERE THAT CERTAINLY WOULD ADVISE AND GUIDE EMPLOYERS TOWARDS NOT DOING THIS PRACTICE.

BETTER SAID, TOWARDS NOT PROHIBITING SOMEONE FROM APPLYING JUST BASED ON THE FACT THAT THEY MAY HAVE SOME PRIOR HISTORY.

AND I DON'T I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE PROHIBITED FROM APPLYING.

I THINK THE QUESTION HERE, THE OPERATIVE QUESTION IS THE TIMING OF THE CRIMINAL.

THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK.

IS THAT IS THAT BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE TIMING OF IT.

THAT'S BASICALLY THE ISSUE IS SO WHO WENT AND MADE A PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE REGARDING THIS ISSUE FROM THIS COUNCIL? THAT WAS ME. NO, I THINK WE HAD A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WENT ALSO THAT THAT ADDRESSED THE CHAMBER BOARD.

IS THAT CORRECT? OR ONE COUNCIL MEMBER? DID YOU ATTEND A BOARD CHAMBER MEETING AND ADDRESSED THIS FACT WITH THE DENTON CHAMBER BOARD? I ABSOLUTELY DID.

OK COUNCIL MEMBER BACK.

DID YOU AS WELL ATTEND THAT MEETING? OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE ATTENDING MEETINGS, HEARING THE FEEDBACK FROM THE CHAMBER.

THIS IS MICROMANAGING OUR BUSINESSES.

WHEN IS THIS CITY COUNCIL GOING TO STOP? MICROMANAGING BUSINESSES.

SO IF SOMEONE APPLIES, WHETHER THEY APPLY NOW AND THEY GET A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK OR THEY DON'T.

I COULDN'T IMAGINE APPLYING FOR A JOB.

HEARING NOTHING ABOUT THIS, GETTING A LETTER THAT SAYS, OH, YOU'RE HIRED, BUT WE'VE GOT TO DO A BACKGROUND CHECK.

THREE OR FOUR DAYS LATER.

OH, SORRY.

YOUR BACKGROUND CHECK DID NOT COME BACK POSITIVE.

THEREFORE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WITHDRAW OUR OFFER.

I THINK THIS IS MICROMANAGING.

HOW MANY HERE ON THIS DAIS HAS OWNED THEIR OWN BUSINESS AND HAD TO HIRE EMPLOYEES.

HOW MANY EMPLOYEES? JUST ME AND ONE.

YEAH. CATCH MY BACK.

OKAY. SO YOU WOULDN'T BE SUBJECT TO THIS? NONE OF US HERE WOULD HAVE, IN OUR EXPERIENCE IN BUSINESS, BEEN SUBJECT TO AN ORDINANCE LIKE THIS.

AND I JUST THINK IT'S VERY PRESUMPTUOUS TO THINK THAT OUR BUSINESSES ARE MAKING THIS A PRACTICE THAT IS HARMING PEOPLE BECAUSE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BECK, YOU SAID THAT OUR BUSINESSES WILL DO THIS BECAUSE THAT'S JUST THE WAY THEY DO BUSINESS.

YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT CAN APPLY BEFORE SOMETHING LIKE THIS GETS ENACTED BY THIS COUNCIL.

WE HAVE TWO CITIES IN THIS STATE THAT HAVE DONE IT.

I HARDLY CALL THAT A DIRECTION THROUGH THE UNITED STATES THAT IS MOVING.

QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T CARE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING IN THE UNITED STATES.

THERE'S THINGS IN OTHER STATES THAT SOME OF YOU ARE JUST YOU WOULD JUST CRINGE AT WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

THERE'S SOME THINGS IN OTHER STATES THAT I CRINGE AT WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

WE ARE HERE RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY OF DENTON WITH A BUSINESS BASE.

AND SO I UNDERSTAND WHY THIS CAME FORWARD.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT COULD BE AN ISSUE WITH SOME PEOPLE IN THE SENSE OF THE TIMING OF IT.

BUT WE'RE PRESUMING.

THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE BASED ON DISCRIMINATORY INTENT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE CONCERN HERE.

AND I'M JUST NOT READY TO SAY TO BUSINESSES IN THIS CITY, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DISCRIMINATING.

I THINK YOU'RE USING THIS BACKGROUND CHECK AS SOMETHING THAT'S A PRETENSE TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S HAPPENING.

THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY HAS SAID, LET'S TRY.

THIS IS GOING FROM 0 TO 100.

I'M ALL FOR DOING SOME KIND OF INTERVAL APPROACH.

LET'S TRY AN INTERVAL APPROACH.

LET'S SEE HOW MAJOR THE PROBLEM IS.

MAYBE WE CAN FORM A TASK FORCE TO CREATE A LIST OF BUSINESSES BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE SECOND CHANCE EMPLOYMENT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE SERVED THEIR TIME THROUGH INCARCERATION AND COME OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY JUST WANT A FAIR CHANCE TO GET A JOB.

WELL, BY GOLLY, THAT'S A WORTHY, WORTHY ENDEAVOR AND NOBODY SHOULD STAND IN THE WAY OF THAT.

BUT LET'S SEE IF WE CAN FIND A BETTER WAY TO DO IT, ONE THAT'S MORE HELPFUL, ONE THAT'S MORE EFFICIENT THAN JUST PASSING AN ORDINANCE SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, BECAUSE WE CAN WE'RE GOING TO MAKE EVERY BUSINESS RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THIS ON THE TIME.

I THINK THIS SENDS A TERRIBLE MESSAGE TO OUR BUSINESSES.

I THINK IT SENDS A TERRIBLE MESSAGE TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT SOMEHOW WE CAN'T FIND A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS.

THAT'S BETTER INSTEAD OF MAKING A LAW.

AND IF WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY TO GO OUT AND HIRE PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS OR THIS IS THIS IS AN IDEA THAT I THINK IS WORTHY OF DISCUSSION AND I THINK IT'S WORTHY OF SOME CREATIVE SOLUTION.

BUT THIS IS NOT AN IDEA THAT I THINK WE NEED TO STEP RIGHT TO AN ORDINANCE AND THEN TELL ALL THE BUSINESSES OF WHICH YOU TOO HEARD FROM THEM THAT THIS

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AND MAYOR PRO TEM, THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY THEY THEY RESPECT THE RULE OF LAW.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT.

AND I'M GLAD THAT THEY DO.

I JUST DON'T THINK WE NECESSARILY HAVE TO PUT THAT LAW ON THEM BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE DOING IT ANYWAY.

IF WE WANT TO PASS AN ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF DENTON, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

WE'RE ALREADY DOING IT.

WE'RE ALREADY DOING IT.

BUT THEN TO PASS AN ORDINANCE TO SAY EVERY BUSINESS EXCEPT FOR WHATEVER THESE EXEMPTIONS EXEMPTIONS ARE.

I THINK IT'S. I THINK IT'S A.

IT'S HALF BAKED.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION.

I THINK WE'VE NOT HEARD FROM ANYBODY FROM THE CHAMBER.

THIS BODY COLLECTIVELY.

YOU'VE HEARD IT.

THE TWO OF YOU HAVE HEARD IT.

WE HAVEN'T HEARD IT.

AND THIS HAS JUST COME UPON.

SO I'M NOT AGAINST FINDING SOME INTERVAL KINDS OF APPROACHES.

AND IF WE FIND THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM, LET'S SOLVE IT.

BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN DECIDING BECAUSE THERE'S TWO CITIES IN THE STATE, THE CITY OF AUSTIN, WHICH WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS AND IDEAS THAT HAVE COME TO US BASED UPON SOME OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S GOVERNMENTAL PRACTICES AND THE CITY OF DESOTO.

I'M NOT READY TO DO THAT AND I'M NOT GOING TO SEND THAT MESSAGE TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY WHO I THINK DOES A STELLAR JOB OF GIVING PEOPLE CHANCES FOR EMPLOYMENT AND.

SO THAT'S MY THAT'S I'M NOT DOING IT.

ROBERT, I'M GOING TO GO WITH OPTION ONE BECAUSE IT DOES SOUND LIKE WE STILL NEED TO HAVE SOME MORE COMMUNICATION AND SOME CLARIFICATION TO SOME THINGS HERE SO I CAN SEE US COMING BACK AROUND TO THIS AFTER AFTER SOME THINGS ARE CLARIFIED WHICH ARE BEING BROUGHT UP.

BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO ALSO FOR US TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT BECAUSE OF OUR SOCIETY RIGHT NOW BEING A LITTLE BIT DISHEVELED, WE'RE UNCOVERING A LOT OF ISSUES REGARDING MENTAL HEALTH.

PEOPLE ARE DOING SOME THINGS NOW THAT THEY PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE DONE BEFORE, AND THEY'RE PUSHING THEMSELVES INTO POSITIONS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT LATER.

FOR INSTANCE, I'VE GOT A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE.

I'M CHOOSING TO TAKE CARE OF MY MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE BY DOING DRUGS, BEING ON THE STREET, LOSING MY FAMILY, SPIRALING DOWN INTO THIS WEB OF WHATEVER, AND END UP IN JAIL FOR WHATEVER REASON.

THEFT, I MAY HAVE NEEDED TO EAT SOMETHING, GET CAUGHT BY THE COPS.

NOW I HAVE A THEFT RECORD.

I HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

I'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF ISSUES PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING OUT HERE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S NOW THERE'S THIS NEED TO SET THEMSELVES RIGHT.

THEY HAVE COME OUT OF THEIR SITUATION NOW.

THEY'RE READY TO WORK, GET A JOB, TAKE CARE OF A FAMILY AND HAVE THIS THING HANGING OVER THEM.

AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IN REGARDS TO A MISDEMEANOR OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT A BIG FELONY WHERE YOU'RE MURDERING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO WORK. BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS OUT THERE THAT'S HOLDING PEOPLE BACK.

AND IF THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, THESE NONPROFITS TO GET THEIR YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND THEY'RE REALLY BEEN WORKING HARD AND THEY'VE GONE THROUGH NONPROFITS TO GET, YOU KNOW, LEARN HOW TO WELD OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE'RE DOING FOR THESE FOLKS OUT HERE.

AND THEY'RE SUCCEEDING IN THAT NOW.

THEY'VE GOT TO APPLY FOR A JOB.

AND THEY ARE GOOD ON EVERY POINT UNTIL IT COMES DOWN TO WHERE WE WANT TO HIRE YOU.

BUT NOW WE'VE GOT TO DO A BACKGROUND CHECK KNOWING FULL WELL THAT THAT PERSON IS ALREADY ON PINS AND NEEDLES, THAT WHEN THEY DO THIS BACKGROUND CHECK, THEY'RE GOING TO FIND OUT THAT I'VE HAVE A I'M A THIEF.

BUT I'M WELDING.

SO WHAT CAN I STEAL? YOU KNOW, SO IT'S JUST.

IT'S JUST. I JUST THINKING WE NEED TO HAVE SOME MORE WORK ON IT.

I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE BUSINESSES OR ORGANIZATIONS HERE ARE STATE SUPPORTED ORGANIZATIONS, MUNICIPAL, COUNTY, FEDERAL, STATE, SCHOOL.

WE HAVE THOSE HIRE A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE IN THE CITY.

AND SO.

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COME LIVE, WORK AND PLAY WITH US.

ONLY SOME OF Y'ALL NOT.

WE'RE NOT INVITING ALL OF YOU ALL.

I DON'T WANT TO BE A CITY LIKE THAT.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I STILL DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION.

AND I LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO LOOK INTO IT A LITTLE FURTHER.

AND YOU'D LIKE US. YOU SAID YOU'D LIKE US TO COME BACK WITH A DRAFT ORDINANCE AS WELL.

LET'S JUST SEE WHAT HAPPENS OUT OF THAT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE, THANKS SO MUCH.

SO I THINK THAT THAT.

IT'S IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO TO DETERMINE SOMETIMES WHO EXACTLY ARE THE STAKEHOLDERS IN A GIVEN ISSUE.

I THINK THAT BUSINESS OWNERS, MEMBERS OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE CERTAINLY ARE STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS CONVERSATION.

AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT WANTING TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THAT PARTICULAR GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS, AND THAT'S GREAT.

I THINK THAT THE PRIMARY STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS CONVERSATION ARE JOB SEEKERS WHO ARE SEEKING A JOB, FOLKS WHO ARE SEEKING A JOB, WHO HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD, WHO ARE HOPING THAT THEIR RESUME OR THEIR APPLICATION GETS A SECOND LOOK AND ARE AFRAID THAT IF THEY HAVE TO DISCLOSE RIGHT THERE AT THE BEGINNING OF THEIR JOB APPLICATION THAT THEY HAVE A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND, THAT THEIR APPLICATION IS GOING TO JUST GET THROWN OUT.

I THINK THAT THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT THAT MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS WITH.

SO I THINK THAT THE EEOC IS LAGGING BEHIND ON THIS ISSUE.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE EEOC TAKE A MORE BOLD STAND ON THIS ISSUE, SINCE THEY'RE NOT.

I WOULD LOVE FOR STAFF TO TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT MODELED ON THE DESOTO ORDINANCE.

FOR US TO HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT ANYONE ELSE.

COUNCILMAN MCGEE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS MY PITCH.

DO I REALLY NEED TO GIVE YOU DIRECTION, OR DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M DOING? WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, WHAT I WANT? SO LET'S JUST GO OVER A COUPLE OF THINGS.

IT WAS SAID FROM THIS DIOCESE THAT THIS WAS A HALF BAKED IDEA.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT'S DEFINITELY WAS NOT A HALF BAKED IDEA.

MANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN WONDERING WHEN I WAS GOING TO PUSH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I CARED ABOUT.

I HAVE BEEN METICULOUSLY CAREFUL AND THE THINGS THAT I HAVE WANTED TO DO FROM THIS DAIS.

BECAUSE I'M INTENSELY CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE CITY DOES NOT END UP IN MORE LITIGATION.

IN GENERAL, I'M NOT A FAN OF LITIGATION.

I HATE LITIGATION. LITIGATION COST US MONEY AND THAT'S MONEY.

THAT'S THE RESIDENTS MONEY, THE TAXPAYERS MONEY THAT WE CAN BE SPENDING, IMPROVING QUALITY OF LIFE AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT TO ME.

SO NOT A HALF BAKED IDEA.

BEFORE I EVER DID ANYTHING, I CONSULTED LEGAL BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS, IN ESSENCE, NOT GOING TO GET US IN ANY TROUBLE.

NOT A HALF BAKED IDEA.

I THINK TO TOUCH ON WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM SAID AND TO TUSSHAR WHAT MR. OR MR. WHITE SAID, I THINK WE HAVE GREAT BUSINESSES HERE IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

THE NDO IN FACT WORKS BECAUSE WE HAVE GREAT BUSINESSES HERE IN THE CITY WHO NOT ONLY FOLLOW THE LAW BUT ALSO GOOD ARE GOOD, RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO WOULD WHO SEEK TO NOT DISCRIMINATE ANYWAY.

THAT'S WHY THE NDO WORKS.

I THINK WE HAVE AMAZING BUSINESSES HERE.

I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

AND I WILL TAKE ISSUE WITH ONE THING THAT MR. WATT SAID. YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T HEAR FROM MANY AREA BUSINESSES.

I'M NOT SURE THAT OK THE BODY OK.

I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I'M STILL NOT SURE THAT THAT'S TRUE BECAUSE CLEARLY THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THIS DIOCESE THAT KNOW THAT I WENT AND PITCHED THIS IDEA TO THE CHAMBER BOARD MEETING ALONG WITH MAYOR PRO TEM BEFORE TODAY.

SO I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.

I'LL LEAVE THAT TO SOMEONE ELSE TO TO LOOK AT.

YEAH. I WENT TO THE CHAMBER AND I WENT TO THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RELATIONSHIP THAT EXISTS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS STRONG. IT IS A FALSE DICHOTOMY BETWEEN EMPLOYERS AND EMPLOYEES.

I THINK WE CAN HAVE BOTH.

A HEALTHY AND VIBRANT COMMUNITY SUPPORTS ITS EMPLOYERS AS WELL AS ITS EMPLOYEES.

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I WAS VERY INTERESTED IN GETTING THAT FEEDBACK BECAUSE MY EVALUATION WAS DOES THEIR FEEDBACK OUTWEIGH THE CONCERNS OF RESIDENTS? SO A TWO PRONGED ISSUE FOR ME.

THIS STARTED WITH THE GENTLEMAN WHO CAME TO SPEAK BEFORE US A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AND EXPRESSED THAT HE WAS HAVING ISSUES FINDING A JOB IN THIS CITY.

SINCE THEN.

I HAVE HEARD FROM A NUMEROUS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAID THEY HAVE THE SAME THING.

LITERALLY LAST WEEK I HEARD FROM A PERSON, A RESIDENT WHO WORKS AT AN AREA FAST FOOD BUSINESS, WHO HAS A TECHNICAL DEGREE, WHO COULD BE DOING MORE WITH HIS LIFE, HIS JOB, BUT BECAUSE HE HAD SOME BUMPS AND BRUISES THAT WERE MORE THAN TEN YEARS AGO, HE'S RELEGATED TO WORKING AT A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT HERE IN DENTON.

I HEAR FROM FOLKS LIKE THIS EVERY DAY.

THAT MATTERS TO ME.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AND.

THANK GOD THAT I'M GOING TO ASSUME NO MEMBER OF THIS OF THIS BODY.

HE HAS HAD TO SIT IN A PLACE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO MARK CHECK A BOX FOR A JOB APPLICATION.

SO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO CHECK A BOX.

THIS MATTERS TO THEM.

AND WHILE NONE OF US HAVE EVER HAD TO CHECK A BOX, IT MATTERS TO SOME OTHER PEOPLE.

I BELIEVE GOVERNMENT'S CHIEF JOB IS TO PROTECT.

IT'S TO PROTECT PEOPLE.

THE PEOPLE OF DENTON ELECTED ME TO PROTECT THEM.

I DON'T WORK FOR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

WE AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WORK WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

I WASN'T ELECTED BY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, NOR DO I SIT ON THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BOARD.

AGAIN, IT'S A STRONG PARTNERSHIP.

I'M HAPPY FOR THAT PARTNERSHIP.

HAVING SAID THAT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO TO KEEP US IN LINE WITH WHERE THE COUNTRY IS GOING, JUST AS MAYOR PRO TEM SAID.

I'M NOT SURE.

FOR THE PUBLIC AND SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THIS BODY.

I KNOW SOME OF Y'ALL PROBABLY THINK WE SIT AT HOME AND JUST HIT REFRESH ON FACEBOOK AND SEE WHAT AUSTIN IS DOING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT AUSTIN'S DOING.

I LIVE IN DENTON.

I WORK 12 HOURS A DAY, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING DOWN THERE.

I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT AUSTIN HAS DONE THIS.

I'M HAPPY TO SEE THE SOTO'S DONE THIS.

BUT HAVING SAID THAT, NOT TRYING TO CHASE AUSTIN AND DOING ANYTHING, THIS IS MEANT TO HELP PEOPLE GET JOBS.

BECAUSE WHEN I WAS IN THE WHEN I WAS CAMPAIGNING, A LOT OF FOLKS IN THIS TOWN WHO HAVE BUSINESSES TOLD ME THERE IS A VACUUM OF QUALIFIED FOLKS LOOKING FOR JOBS, COULDN'T FIND PEOPLE.

I'M VERY BLESSED. I'M A LOCAL PICKUP AND DELIVERY DRIVER, RIGHT? I'M A TRUCK DRIVER. SO I GO TO SMALL BUSINESSES, MEDIUM SIZED BUSINESSES AND LARGE BUSINESSES EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK, TWICE A DAY DELIVERY AND PICKUP.

AND WHAT THEY'RE TELLING ME IS THAT THEY CAN'T FIND ANYBODY TO WORK.

THEY CAN'T FIND ANYBODY TO WORK.

SO THIS MEASURE, I BELIEVE, WILL OPEN UP A JOB APPLICATION POOL TO A LOT MORE AREA BUSINESSES.

THERE ARE FOLKS IN OUR CITY WHO WANT TO WORK.

LET'S GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO WORK.

THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.

SO HAVING SAID THAT, OBVIOUSLY I'M GOING TO MOVE FOR OPTION OPTION ONE.

AND I, TOO, WOULD LIKE TO SEE US FOLLOW THE MODEL THAT THAT DE SOTO DID.

I WOULD ALSO BE INTERESTED, MAC, IF IF THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SOME LEGAL CHALLENGES TO THIS, BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M INTENSELY CONCERNED WITH MAKING SURE THAT WE STAY WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE LAW JUST AS WE ARE ASKING AREA BUSINESSES TO DO.

THANK, MR. MAYOR. I'LL YIELD BACK.

COUNCILMAN WATTS? YEAH.

COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

AND I GUESS IT ALSO GOES TO YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD, BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF WHAT YOU SAID, WHAT YOU ALL SAID DIDN'T SAY IT DIRECTLY, BUT IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THAT THIS.

HAVING THIS ORDINANCE WILL SOMEHOW.

CHANGE THE WAY BUSINESSES HIRE PEOPLE BASED UPON A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK.

SO TO USE YOUR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU SAID THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN OUT THERE OR I DON'T THINK HE SAID EXACTLY, BUT THERE'S SOMEBODY OUT THERE WORKING IN FAST FOOD THAT HAS A TECHNICAL DEGREE AND THAT THEY JUST WANT TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET A JOB.

SO I'M PRESUMING THAT THAT PERSON HAS PUT ON APPLICATIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK.

AND THERE'S THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY'RE GETTING OVERLOOKED BECAUSE OF THAT.

LET'S GO WITH THAT. SO PASSING THIS, LET'S LET'S GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

SO THEY APPLY. THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

SOMEBODY THINKS, OH, YOU'RE YOU'RE A GOOD PERSON.

YOU WOULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR OUR COMPANY.

AND THEN THEY GO AND THERE'S A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK THAT'S DONE.

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AND I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT REALLY MAKES SURE WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING WRONG.

SO IF THIS PASSES, THAT'S FINE.

BUT I'M SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO HELP PEOPLE IN THE END.

IF AN EMPLOYER HAS CERTAIN CRITERIA ABOUT WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE FOR THEM FROM A BACKGROUND OF CRIMINAL WHATEVER CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK, SOME TYPE OF ACTIVITY, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE TIMING AND.

OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH.

BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU DIDN'T SAY IT LIKE THAT, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE, WELL, WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET A JOB.

WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK.

GOSH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY SITTING UP HERE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THIS.

IT MAY DO SOME OTHER THINGS, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT SOMEHOW THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THAT POSSIBILITY BETTER UNLESS UNLESS THE BUSINESSES CHANGE THEIR POLICIES ON WHATEVER THEY HAVE FOR THAT.

SO, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT WAS THE ONLY RESPONSE I HAD BECAUSE IT MADE IT SOUND LIKE THAT SOMEHOW THIS MAKES IT EASIER.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES IT EASIER, IT MAKES THE TIMING DIFFERENT.

AND I THINK IF A BUSINESS WAS GOING TO HIRE THEM, IF THEY CHECK THE BOX, THE BUSINESS IS GOING TO HIRE THEM.

IF THEY DON'T CHECK IT AND DO IT AT A CONDITIONAL EMPLOYMENT LETTER OR VISE VERSA.

SO THAT WAS ALL MY COMMENTS.

I JUST MADE IT TO GET THAT CLARIFICATION.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS. THANK YOU, MARY.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER IN THIS CONVERSATION WHY THE EEOC IS CONCERNED WITH THIS ISSUE.

IT'S BECAUSE ON A BROAD SCALE, AT THE TOP LEVEL, BECAUSE CERTAIN COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN DESPERATELY IMPACTED BY HAVING CRIMINAL HISTORY.

IT CAN HAVE A DISPARATE IMPACT ON HIRING.

SO IT CAN BE DISCRIMINATORY, IT CAN BE DISCRIMINATORY DEPENDING ON HOW YOU ASK THE QUESTION AND WHERE YOU ASK IT IN THE HIRING PROCESS.

THE EEOC IS NOT CONCERNED WITH THIS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLICY ISSUE, THEY ARE NOT CONCERNED WITH THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF GETTING AS MANY PEOPLE JOBS AS THEY CAN BE THERE IN THE IN THE BUSINESS OF FAIR HIRING PRACTICES.

SO IN THE AGGREGATE, ACROSS THE BOARD, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT CRIMINAL HISTORY, IT CAN BE DISCRIMINATORY.

SO TO THEN COME DOWN TO OUR CITY OF DENTON BUSINESSES AND SAY, WE BELIEVE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM BEING DISCRIMINATORY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TAKE THIS CASE BY CASE, PERSON BY PERSON, PEOPLE COME DOWN AND STAND IN FRONT OF US AND TELL US THINGS ABOUT THEIR CRIMINAL HISTORY OR THEIR PERSONAL BACKGROUND OR THEIR BAD CUSTOMER SERVICE EXPERIENCE WITH THE CITY.

AND THEY TELL US THINGS THAT ARE NOT ACCURATE.

PEOPLE TELL US THAT THEY ARE QUALIFIED FOR JOBS.

AND THAT'S THIS IS THE ONE THING I HAD A COUPLE OF BRUSHES WITH THE LAW AND THEIR LITTLE BRUSHES WITH THE LAW MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN THEY LET ON.

WE CANNOT TAKE A CASE BY CASE INDIVIDUAL THING AND SAY THAT THIS ORDINANCE IS GOING TO GET THAT GUY A JOB.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER WATTS.

IT'S A QUESTION OF TIMING.

AND THE TIMING CAN BE CAN BE IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE A DISPARATE IMPACT AND CAN BE DISCRIMINATORY.

I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT THE CITY OF DENTON IS WELL EQUIPPED TO ANSWER.

IT'S NOT A PROBLEM THAT WE NECESSARILY HAVE IN THE CITY OF DENTON AMONG THESE BUSINESSES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND IF IT IS, I HAVEN'T HEARD IT.

I'VE HEARD SOMEBODY WHO HAS CRIMINAL HISTORY AND CAN'T GET A JOB ASKING THAT QUESTION.

A DIFFERENT PART OF THE EMPLOYMENT PROCESS ISN'T GOING TO GET THAT GUY A JOB.

THAT CRIMINAL HISTORY SHOULD BE THE SAME CRIMINAL HISTORY, WHETHER YOU ASK THEM ON DAY ONE OR DAY THREE OF THE PROCESS, IF YOU WANT TO DO THINGS TO GET PEOPLE JOBS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BETTER EMPLOYERS, GOOD HOUSING, ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, THIS ISN'T GOING TO HELP ANYBODY.

IT MIGHT MAKE SOME PEOPLE FEEL BETTER.

IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP ANYBODY GET A JOB.

ANYONE ELSE RIGHT HERE? KATZENBERG YOU KNOW, IT COULD VERY WELL HELP SOMEONE GET A JOB.

IT MAY GIVE THE THE EMPLOYER AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT THAT RESUME MAY HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL ON BASED ON THEIR WORK LIFE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT MAY GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT JOB.

AND IF THAT PRIVATE EMPLOYER, YOU KNOW, IS SET ON GETTING THIS PERSON THE JOB AND THEN THEY GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AT THE END, THIS MAY HELP WITH GETTING SOMEONE HIRED BECAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE EMPLOYER AND THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT, WOULD WANT TO DO, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS PERSON.

SO AT LEAST IT WILL GIVE SOMEONE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT.

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IN A SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORY, BUT WE FIND THAT OUT AT THE END.

AT LEAST GIVE THE EMPLOYERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF DISCUSSION.

IT COULD VERY WELL MEAN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GETTING HIRED AND NOT HIRED.

SO AGAIN, I'M WITH EVERYONE.

ONE. NO, WAIT.

ARE YOU DONE? OKAY.

GOT IT. YES.

COUNCILMAN MCGEE THING.

MR. MAYOR. I WANTED TO RESPOND TO MR. WATTS. I'M SORRY.

TWO PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN THEN, SO IF I DON'T ACTUALLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ASK IT AGAIN.

I WANT TO. I APPRECIATE THIS DIALOG.

THIS IS IMPORTANT. ONE THING THAT I'M HEARING THAT IS COMING OUT OF THIS, MR. CHIEF OF STAFF, IS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY SUPPORTS SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

SO PERHAPS MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT PUTTING THIS IN OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA BECAUSE AS WAS MENTIONED, THERE ARE OTHER GOVERNMENT BODIES WHO COULD BE ENFORCING THIS.

SO MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT OUR FOLKS IN AUSTIN NEED TO BE KEEPING THEIR EYE ON THIS AT THE LEDGE.

SO HERE'S WHAT THE PROCESS IS.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME SOME OF US HAVE APPLIED FOR JOBS IS, BUT.

SO A PERSON GOES IN AND CONDITIONAL OFFER OF EMPLOYMENT IS OFFERED PENDING A BACKGROUND CHECK.

AND IF SOMETHING IS FOUND, YES, THAT CONDITIONAL OFFER OF EMPLOYMENT IS ABSOLUTELY REMOVED.

AS HEARTBREAKING AS IT MIGHT BE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT HAPPENS.

IT LITERALLY HAPPENS AT THE COMPANY THAT I WORK FOR.

SO, YES, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE PROCESS TO WHAT HAPPENS.

MS.. BIRD BROUGHT UP THE CONVERSATION.

THE CONVERSATION IS WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE IS WHAT WE ENDEAVOR OUR BUSINESSES TO HAVE WITH OUR POTENTIAL EMPLOYEES.

A PERSON COMES IN WHO HAS SOME BUMPS AND BRUISES ON THEIR RECORD.

THEY GET THE INTERVIEW.

MAYBE THEY DO A GREAT JOB IN THE INTERVIEW AND THEY IMPRESS THE EMPLOYER.

EMPLOYER THEN HAS TO DECIDE WHO ARE THE BEST POSSIBLE APPLICANTS FOR A JOB.

ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, LET'S SAY THAT PERSON GETS THROUGH.

THEN A BACKGROUND CHECK IS RUN.

AND LET'S SAY WHATEVER THAT PERSON DID IS THEN FOUND AT THAT POINT.

BECAUSE WHAT THIS DOES IS DOESN'T TELL PEOPLE, EMPLOYERS NOT TO RUN BACKGROUND CHECKS.

WE ABSOLUTELY WANT AND EXPECT THE EMPLOYERS TO RUN BACKGROUND CHECKS.

THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHO'S WORKING FOR YOU.

CONDITIONAL OFFER EMPLOYMENT HAS BEEN GIVEN.

BACKGROUND CHECK IS THEN RUN.

EMPLOYER FINDS SOMETHING THEY DON'T LIKE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO HIRE THE PERSON GOING TO THE NEXT PERSON.

BUT. BUT JUST MAYBE.

JUST MAYBE BECAUSE OF THE CRIMINALIZATION OF DRUGS FROM THE NIXON ADMINISTRATION AND THE WAR ON DRUGS FROM THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION.

AND THEN THE CLINTON CRIME BILL DOUBLING DOWN ON DRUGS, SINCE WE KNOW THAT AN ENTIRE GENERATION OF BLACK MEN IN PARTICULAR HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE HOME.

WE KNOW THAT SOME OF US ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME BUMPS AND BRUISES ON OUR RECORD.

SO MAYBE THAT PERSON HAS A NONVIOLENT DRUG ARREST FIVE, TEN YEARS AGO, BUT MAYBE THAT PERSON IS A QUALIFIED WELDER WHO WANTS TO GET BACK INTO WELDING.

PERHAPS, JUST MAYBE, THAT EMPLOYER MIGHT BE ABLE TO OVERLOOK THAT OFFENSE THAT PERSON HAS DONE FIVE, TEN, 15 YEARS AGO AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, MY INTEREST IS IN MAKING MONEY AND THIS IS THE BEST POSSIBLE PERSON FOR THIS JOB.

THAT PERSON DOESN'T GET TO THAT POINT IF THEY HAVE TO MARK A BOX ON A JOB APPLICATION.

THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF THE WORLD WE LIVE IN.

I'M SORRY. ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK OUT THE WAY WE PERHAPS INTENDED.

SO THIS MEASURE IS MEANT TO TO HELP PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

THIS IS MEANT TO HELP RESIDENTS GET JOBS.

I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL HELP RESIDENTS GET JOBS.

WE'RE ASKING FOLKS TO GET IN LINE WITH WHAT WAS PRESENTED.

15 STATES ALREADY DO AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF CITIES.

SO IF SAID BUSINESS STARTS HERE IN DENTON AND THEY EXPAND TO PHENIX, ARIZONA, THEY CAN'T THEN GO TO PHENIX AND SAY, HEY, WE STARTED IN DENTON, SO WE WANT TO COME TO PHENIX AND OPERATE OFF OF DENTON RULES.

IT JUST DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT WITH MANY OF THE LARGEST CITIES IN THIS COUNTRY ALREADY DOING THIS AND STATES IN THIS COUNTRY ALREADY DOING THIS.

WE ARE NOT SUBJECTING OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES TO ANY MORE UNDUE PRESSURE THAN THEY WOULD AT ANY PLACE ELSE.

THE REPUTATION THAT DENTON IS A HARD PLACE TO DO BUSINESS IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

IT'S BEING PERPETUATED BY A GROUP OF FOLKS WHO WANT TO COME IN AND GET A FREE RIDE IN A FANCY CAR.

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DENTON IS JUST THE GREATEST PLACE TO DO BUSINESS AS ANY OTHER PLACE.

AND WE SEE THAT BECAUSE THERE IS UNPRECEDENTED PRESSURE ON OUR MARKET TO DO BUSINESS.

SO, AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN ALL OF THE PARTS OF THE AND MANY OTHER PARTS OF COUNTRY, NOT ALL AND MANY PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.

WHAT I AM ASKING FOR IS AN ORDINANCE TO BRING US UP TO SPEED SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE SURE THAT WE REMOVE THE BARRIERS FROM PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WORK FROM BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY WORK.

AGAIN, I'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE TO SAY IT'S HARD TO FIND EMPLOYEES.

WELL, LET'S OPEN UP A WHOLE NEW POOL OF EMPLOYEES TO AREA BUSINESSES.

YOU BACK? ALL RIGHT.

ANYONE ELSE? GREAT.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION.

WELL, FIRST. WELL, NO, I'LL TAKE THAT QUESTION.

IS THERE A PROHIBITION AGAINST ASKING THE QUESTION? SO ASSUMING THE APPLICATION IS NOT THERE, THAT THERE'S NOT A PHYSICAL MARK ON THE APPLICATION, IS THERE A PROHIBITION AGAINST SOMEONE INTERVIEWING SOMEONE TO ASK, HEY, HAVE YOU HAD ANY PRIOR CONVICTIONS, ETC., ETC.? THAT IS SUSAN FROM OUR OFFICE AS WELL TO HELP OUT ON THIS.

BUT IF YOU'RE ASKING WITHOUT THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE JUST TODAY, YEAH, I THINK YOU CAN ASK THE QUESTION.

SO IS THE ORDINANCE GOING IS IT PROPOSED THAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD PROHIBIT ASKING THAT QUESTION? I BELIEVE IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO ASK THAT QUESTION OR CHECK INTO THAT UNTIL AT SOME POINT LATER IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING.

AND HOW IS THAT MANAGED? HOW DO YOU POLICE THAT? THAT'S A THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS, WHERE WE'D BE INVOLVED.

THERE'D BE COMPLAINT DRIVEN.

WE'D HAVE TO WORK THROUGH HOW THAT EXACTLY IS GOING TO PLAY OUT AND WORK AS FAR AS WHAT'S THE CITY GET INVOLVED IN, WHAT'S THE LEVEL OF INVESTIGATION WE DO.

THAT'S ALL GOING TO HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT IN THE DISCUSSION ON WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS.

THE TWO EXAMPLES WE GAVE OF AUSTINS AND DESOTO WERE COMPLAINT DRIVEN.

RIGHT, BUT HOW IS THAT? WHAT'S THE TIE BREAKER THERE? WHAT'S THE. A AN EMPLOYEE ALLEGES THEY ASKED A QUESTION.

AN EMPLOYEE ALLEGES HE DIDN'T.

THAT'S WHERE THE INVESTIGATION WOULD COME IN.

AND SO ONCE A COMPLAINT IS MADE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE INVESTIGATED TO SEE IF IT HAS MERIT.

AND THEN IF IT DOES, IT WOULD.

THIS IS A VERY GENERAL WE HAVEN'T WRITTEN THIS ON THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT WOULD THEN BE REFERRED TO THE CITY PROSECUTOR.

SO. SO THE CITY WOULD THEN INVESTIGATE A BUSINESS AGAIN.

WELL, COUNCIL HAS NOT GIVEN US DIRECTION ON HOW IT WOULD WORK.

WELL, THE GOOD WORK SO FAR, FOUR OF US HAS SAID WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DRAFTING AN ORDINANCE.

AND SO I'M TRYING TO GET A SNEAK PEEK INTO WHAT THAT.

WHAT HAVE WE SEEN? WHAT HAVE WE RESEARCHED? IF IF WE HAVE AN ANSWER, WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.

GREAT. WE'LL MOVE ON. I'LL READ THE BOOK WHEN IT COMES OUT.

THE CITY WOULD IF IF WE GET DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, IF WHAT WE PRESENTED WAS, IT WOULD LOOK A LOT LIKE OUR MNDO WHERE THE CITY WOULD HAVE A THIRD PARTY INVESTIGATOR DO THE WORK ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.

SO IT WOULD TAKE US SOME TIME TO GO THROUGH AND PRESENT THIS INFORMATION AND GET WITH LEGAL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD ALL THIS IN THE ORDINANCE SO IT WOULD BE EASILY UNDERSTOOD.

BUT SO THE CITY OF DENTON CAN DICTATE TO A BUSINESS WHAT QUESTIONS THEY CAN ASK IN OUR INTERVIEW.

AND THAT'S JUST THAT. I'M JUST CURIOUS, LIKE, WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE UNDERLYING AUTHORITY WE HAVE TO DO THAT.

AND IT'S JUST THAT IGNORANCE, JUST HOME RULE, AUTHORITY.

MAYOR. I MEAN, THERE IS AUTHORITY TO DO IT.

OBVIOUSLY, THE CITIES HAVE SPOKEN AND THEN SOME HAVE ALREADY ADOPTED IT.

SO, YEAH, THERE COULD BE A LEGAL CHALLENGE POTENTIALLY, BUT IT IS WITHIN OUR HOME RULE AUTHORITY TO DO SOME REGULATION IN THIS AREA, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S A HARM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS.

OKAY. GOT IT.

AND THEN I JUST I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITHOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS.

AND IT'S THIS SCOTT WISDOM BAKER OF WISE AND BAKER OF SOLUTIONS, NORTH TEXAS.

DEALS WITH PEOPLE WITH HISTORY, CHECKERED HISTORY AT ALL TIMES, AT EVERY PHASE OF LIFE.

AND IT IS MANDATORY TO BE IN THAT PROGRAM THAT YOU GET A JOB.

AND I TALKED TO HIM REGULARLY, AND I'VE NOT HEARD THIS ISSUE.

DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT THERE.

NO, BUT I JUST SAY THAT TO SAY I JUST WANT I DON'T WANT SOMEONE WATCHING THIS TO LEAVE.

WHAT I THINK EXACTLY WHAT SOME OF MY PEERS TOUCHED ON THAT DENTON IS THIS.

HARD DRIVE AND PLACE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN ALL WALKS OF LIFE, ALL LIFE EXPERIENCES THAT FIND JOBS REGULARLY AND ALL LEVELS OF COURT INTERACTION AND ALL LEVELS OF YEARS IN THE PAST.

AND SO AND SHOUT OUT TO THE DEBTOR WITH FAMILY WHO STARTED A QUICK CAR HERE AND THEY EMPLOY A LOT OF PEOPLE.

AND THERE'S OTHER GROUPS THAT THAT SCOTS BUILT RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT DID NOT NEED THE CITY TO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

AND THEN LASTLY, I'LL JUST TELL YOU THIS.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I GO INTO AN APPLICATION, WHEN I GO INTO AN INTERVIEW, THERE'S A BOX.

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WHEN I WALK IN A ROOM THAT LOOKS LIKE A BLACK GUY.

RIGHT? RIGHT. AND WHETHER THE BOX IS THERE OR NOT.

SO I SAY THAT TO SAY THEY ARE BIASES THAT AFFECT EVERYONE, EVERY RACE ON SITE.

RIGHT. AND AND WE'RE NOT THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL IS NOT GOING TO FIX THAT.

THAT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE GIVE UP ON FIXING THINGS.

BUT I JUST DON'T WANT I JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING AND THAT I GET IT OFF MY CHEST BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO SAY THIS, I DON'T WANT TO BE DIVISIVE.

WE ALL HAVE ISSUES, WE ALL HAVE STRUGGLES.

WE ALL HAVE BURDENS TO BEAR.

AND I WANT TO UNITE THE CITY, NOT DIVIDE IT BASED ON CERTAIN THINGS AND FIX THINGS UNIVERSALLY AND HAVE DESIRED OUTCOMES IN MY DESIRED OUTCOME WOULD BE FOR PEOPLE TO BE GAINFULLY EMPLOYED IN THE CITY OF DENTON GREAT COMPANIES TO COME HERE.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

BUT I ALSO THINK THERE ARE BIASES OUT THERE AND WE CAN YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE MORALITY.

I'LL END WITH THIS.

I HAD AN ISSUE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION FROM SOMEONE, CASE IN POINT, THAT RAISED AN ISSUE, RAISED AN ALLEGATION THAT WAS THEN INVESTIGATED THAT WAS THEN FOUND TO BE FALSE.

NOW, THAT'S ALL INTERNAL.

THAT'S ALL STAFF TIME.

THAT'S NO EXTRA COST TO THE TAXPAYER.

BUT WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS IT HAPPENS.

I HAVE IT DOCUMENTED RIGHT NOW.

IT WAS INVESTIGATED, FOUND TO BE FALSE.

IT WAS ALLEGED ILLEGAL ACTIVITY AND RESEARCHED AND CAME BACK TO BE NOT TRUE.

THEY COOKED THE BOOKS.

NOW THAT MOVES ON AND IT COSTS THE TAXPAYERS NO MONEY.

AND ONWARD UPWARD, EVERYONE.

LESSON LEARNED. RIGHT? BUT THAT WAS JUST TODAY.

SO I'M NOT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S MY CONCERN ABOUT THESE ALLEGATIONS.

WE NOW GO INVESTIGATE A BUSINESS, ONE OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, AND PUT THEM IN A SITUATION THAT I THINK WE CAN AVOID.

AND AND BUT LET'S MAKE SURE FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE DOING WE'RE LEADING, WE'RE EDUCATING THOSE SORT OF THINGS IS BEST PRACTICES TO ME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TAKE US TO ITEM LET'S SEE ID 221999 RECEIVE REPORT HOLD DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION

[C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the Bonnie Brae Street Project Update. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

IT'S. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS KYLE PEDIGO.

I'M A PROGRAM MANAGER FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS HERE TODAY TO GIVE AN OVERALL UPDATE ON THE PROJECTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BONNIE BRAE CORRIDOR PROGRAM AND ALSO REVIEW THE POTENTIAL FOR A ROUNDABOUT AT THE INTERSECTION OF BONNIE BRAE AND WINDSOR.

SO HERE'S AN OVERALL UPDATE OF THE CORRIDOR WITH A SCHEDULE AND A MAP.

THE GANTT CHART AT THE BOTTOM, THE COLORS MATCH THE DIFFERENT SEGMENTS LOCATED ON THE MAP.

SO PHASE THREE FROM ROSELAWN TO I-35 IN PURPLE IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST PHASE TO KICK OFF THE NEXT PHASE TO KICK OFF.

I MEAN, THAT ONE IS CURRENTLY IN BID AN AWARD AND IS SET TO CLOSE BID THIS WEEK.

PHASE FOUR IS IN GREEN.

THAT SECTION IS FROM I 35 TO SCRIPTURE.

THAT ONE IS SET TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN 2024 AND THE SCHEDULE IS DEPENDENT ON APPROVAL OF THE 2022 DENTON COUNTY BOND.

PHASE FIVE ALSO HAS FUNDING TIED TO THE BOND AND THAT ONE IS SET TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN 2025.

THAT IS THE PINK SEGMENT THAT STRETCHES FROM SCRIPTURE TO US.

380. PHASE SIX IS THE BLUE SEGMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

THAT ONE STRETCHES FROM US, 380 TO US 77.

THAT ONE WILL BE READY FOR BID AN AWARD NEAR THE END OF THIS QUARTER, BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR.

SO THE CURRENT PLAN FOR PHASE SIX INCLUDES CONSTRUCTION OF A STANDARD TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT THE INTERSECTION OF WINDSOR AND BONNEY BRAE ON AUGUST 16. COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS REQUESTED INFORMATION REGARDING THE VIABILITY OF REPLACING THAT SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION WITH A ROUNDABOUT. WE APPRECIATE THAT HE BROUGHT THAT TO OUR ATTENTION BECAUSE THE IT LOOKS LIKE THE REQUEST WAS ORIGINALLY MADE IN 2019 TO PREVIOUS STAFF MEMBERS, BUT IT DID NOT CIRCULATE DOWN TO US TO ACTUALLY PERFORM THE STUDY.

SO THIS PRESENTATION GOES THROUGH OUR FINDINGS REGARDING THE PROPOSED ROUNDABOUT LOCATION.

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SO HERE IS THE COST BREAKDOWN.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WE WOULD HAVE TO WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PAVEMENT REDESIGN BECAUSE OF INCREASED PAVEMENT AREA.

WITH THE ROUNDABOUT, THERE WOULD BE A SLIGHT DRAINAGE REDESIGN TO ADD SOME INLETS AND REROUTE THE DRAINAGE IN THAT AREA.

TO ACCOMMODATE THE ROUNDABOUT WE WOULD HAVE TO REDESIGN THE TRAFFIC CONTROL JUST DUE TO SOME TEMPORARY PAVING SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN ACCESS DURING CONSTRUCTION.

WE WOULD EMIT THESE SIGNAL WHICH WOULD RESULT IN A $250,000 CREDIT JUST DUE TO THE ESTIMATED COST.

WE WOULD HAVE TO DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL REEVALUATION.

SO THAT IS AROUND A NINE MONTH PROCESS, 75,000 COST.

THAT IS A TEXTILE REQUIREMENT.

WE WOULD HAVE TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY LOOKING AROUND A 12 MONTH DELAY AND $350,000 COST, WE'D HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE THE FIRE STATION DUE TO THE PROXIMITY OF THE ROUNDABOUT WITH A POTENTIAL PREEMPTIVE SIGNAL.

AND WE WOULD ALSO THE BIGGEST SINGLE COST AND BIGGEST SINGLE DELAY IS THE UTILITY RELOCATION.

WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE A MINIMUM OF THREE DM TOWERS AND RELOCATE A 42 INCH WATER MAIN IN THE AREA.

SO THAT IS RIGHT AROUND $1,000,000 ESTIMATED COST AND RIGHT AROUND A 24 MONTH TIME PERIOD.

SO THESE DELAYS AREN'T LINEAR.

SOME OF THEM WE COULD BE GOING THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REEVALUATION WHILE WE DO THE RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION, BUT WE ESTIMATE IT WOULD BE ABOUT A 36 MONTH SCHEDULE DELAY TO THE BONNY BRAY PHASE SIX PROJECT.

SO HERE IS THE SCHEDULE IMPACT ON THE CHART.

ON THE TOP SECTION OF THE GANTT CHART, I INCLUDED THE DISD FACILITIES IN THE AREA, INCLUDING THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL THAT WAS OPEN IN QUARTER THREE OF THIS YEAR.

THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THE ANTICIPATED CONSTRUCTION OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN THAT AREA FROM 2023 TO 2024, INCLUDING THE ANTICIPATED OPENING DATE OF QUARTER THREE OF 2024. BELOW THAT, IN BLUE, I HAVE OUR CURRENT BONNIE BRAE PHASE SIX CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE THAT SHOWS THE.

OUR ROUGH ANTICIPATED PHASING OF THE PROJECT, INCLUDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE IRANI ROAD IMPROVEMENTS FROM QUARTER 420, 23 TO QUARTER ONE OF 2024 WITH OUR ANTICIPATED COMPLETION AT THE END OF 2024.

AND THEN IN THE BOTTOM SECTION IN THE YELLOW AND RED, I INCLUDED THE OUR ANTICIPATED REDESIGN IF WE WERE TO ADD A ROUNDABOUT AND THE RED SEGMENT WOULD BE THE ANTICIPATED CONSTRUCTION WINDOW OF BONNIE BRAE PHASE SIX, WHICH WOULD HAPPEN IN 2026 AND EXCUSE ME, 2027.

SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, WE DO HAVE SOME OUTSIDE FUNDING ON THIS.

WE HAVE $11 MILLION IN FHWA FEDERAL HIGHWAY FUNDING AND AN 800 OR YES, 800,000 TEXT THAT COST SHARING.

THIS FUNDING WOULD POTENTIALLY BE AT RISK IF WE WERE TO SIGNIFICANTLY DELAY THIS PROJECT WITH A SUBSTANTIAL REDESIGN.

THE ALSO.

SO THAT LAST NOTE IS ABOUT DISD SCHOOLS AND THE IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE THERE AS WELL.

SO WE EXAMINE THE PEDESTRIAN, THE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON PEDESTRIANS IN THE AREA.

SO WHAT SOME OF THE NUMBERS SHOW IS THAT NON SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS CAN PRESENT INCREASED RISK, ESPECIALLY IF THIS AREA IS A CORRIDOR FOR STUDENTS USING THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL IN THE PROPOSED ELEMENTARY.

SO WE WE LOOKED AT SOME NUMBERS AND MOTORISTS FAILED TO YIELD BUT ASKED PEDESTRIANS 23% OF THE TIME AT THE ENTRY LEG AND 38% OF THE TIME AT THE EXIT LANE TWO WITH ROUNDABOUTS.

ALSO, OVERALL, FAILURE TO YIELD AT ROUNDABOUTS FOR A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT WAS ONLY 17%, WHILE MULTIPLE LANE OVERALL FAILURE TO YIELD WAS UP AROUND 43%. SO THOSE ARE ABOVE WHAT WE FOUND FOR SOME SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS, WHICH IS BETWEEN TEN AND 20% OVERALL FAILURE TO YIELD THIS, ADDING A ROUNDABOUT THERE POTENTIALLY CREATES A MULTIPLE THREAT SCENARIO AS.

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IF A VEHICLE WAS TO STOP TO LET A PEDESTRIAN ENTER THE INTERSECTION AND THE PEDESTRIAN WAS IN FRONT OF THE VEHICLE, THE VEHICLE NECESSARILY SEE THE PEDESTRIAN AT THAT AREA AND THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR COLLISION.

PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ALONG THIS CORRIDOR IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS NEW DISD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

AND SO THIS WITH THE NEW SCHOOLS AND THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL IN THE AREA, IT ALSO PRESENTS A RISK OF NEW DRIVERS UTILIZING THE HIGH SCHOOL WITH USING BONNIE BRADY AS AN ACCESS ROUTE TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.

SO NEW DRIVERS IN A NON SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION POTENTIALLY IN CONFLICT WITH PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.

HERE'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE UTILITY RELOCATIONS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ADD THIS.

SO. WE ESTIMATE THIS AS A POTENTIAL 24 MONTH DELAY.

THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS DUE TO THE 138 KVA DME TRANSMISSION LINE IN THE AREA, ALONG WITH THE 42 INCH WATER TRANSMISSION LINE.

SO IN THE SCHEMATIC IN THE MIDDLE YOU CAN SEE THE THE CURRENT DMRC TRANSMISSION LINE IN THE YELLOW LINE AND THE CURRENT WATER ALIGNMENT AND THE BLUE.

SO MATERIAL FOR BOTH OF THESE OPERATIONS IS CURRENTLY AROUND A 12 MONTH LEAD TIME AND BOTH OF THESE DUE TO THEIR THE LARGE NATURE OF THE UTILITY, HAVE VERY LIMITED SCHEDULE THAT THEY CAN POTENTIALLY BE SHUT DOWN.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT FUTURE EXPANSION OF BONNIE BRAE.

SO THE PREVIOUS TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE IN 2020 FOR BONNIE BRAE PHASE SIX ESTIMATES THAT BY 2040 WE'D NEED TO EXPAND TO POTENTIALLY SIX LANES, SO THREE LANES EACH DIRECTION.

THIS SCHEMATIC SHOWS WHAT A THREE LANE OR A SIX LANE ROUNDABOUT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

SO THE ORIGINAL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE DISD IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA OR THE MULTIFAMILY THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE GOING IN THE MARKET.

THAT UP ON US 77 IN BONNIE BRAE AND THE PERCH WHICH IS DOWN SOUTH IN WINDSOR ON MONETARY.

SO ROUNDABOUTS CAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BENEFITS WHERE THERE CONTACT SENSE CONTEXT SENSITIVE DESIGN IS INCORPORATED.

WITH THIS LOCATION, WE HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS, INCLUDING THE POTENTIAL RISK TO THE FUNDING.

IF THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL DELAY IN THE DESIGN, THE IMPACT THAT IT WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE ON DISD SCHOOLS WITH THE NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BEING OPENED BEFORE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE.

AND WE'VE HAD MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS INTERSECTION ALREADY FROM NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS REGARDING THE CURRENT FOUR WAY STOP THERE AND THEIR DESIRE TO SEE THIS AS A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION.

SO THIS WAS PRESENTED A MOBILITY COMMITTEE ON 1026, AND SO THEIR FEEDBACK WAS INCORPORATED INTO THIS PRESENTATION WITH A FEW MINOR CHANGES AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER MAGUIRE AND THEN COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

THANKS SO MUCH. SO THIS DID.

THANK YOU. KYLE, THIS CAME BEFORE THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE LAST WEEK AND I IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IN THE HECK WE WERE EVEN TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE CAME BEFORE MOBILITY COMMITTEE.

AND SO I HAD TO ASK A MILLION QUESTIONS.

AND SO IF IT'S OKAY, I'D LIKE TO JUST KIND OF GIVE MY TAKE ON WHAT WE'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT.

AND I FEEL LIKE THAT MIGHT SAVE US SOME QUESTIONS.

I THINK SO.

BACK IN 2019, COUNCILMAN DAVIS CAME TO STAFF WITH EITHER IT WAS EITHER HIS OWN IDEA OR MAYBE MAYBE SOMETHING FROM A CONSTITUENT SAYING, HEY, WE KNOW THAT WHEN CERTAIN BRAWNY BODY BRAY IS GOING TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION SOON AND WE AND FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THE AREA HAVE CONCERNS, WHAT IF WE DID A ROUNDABOUT? WOULD THAT MAKE WOULD THAT BE A HELPFUL SAFETY IMPROVEMENT? MAYBE. COULD YOU LOOK INTO IT? I DON'T KNOW. AND THAT QUESTION JUST KIND OF WENT INTO A BLACK HOLE.

IT WASN'T RESPONDED TO.

IT WASN'T FORWARDED TO STAFF.

NEW FOLKS CAME INTO LEADERSHIP AND DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS QUESTION AND THE PROJECT MOVED FORWARD.

NOW IT'S REALLY TOO LATE.

IT IS. LET'S BE HONEST WITH OURSELVES.

IT IS TOO LATE TO TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT HAS BEEN DESIGNED FOR IT.

THIS INTERSECTION, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT IF WE HAD HAD THIS CONVERSATION BACK IN 2019 WHEN IT WASN'T TOO LATE TO HAVE IT, THE CONVERSATION.

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BUT IT'S NOT USUALLY GREAT FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.

AND IT'S IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A GOOD FIT FOR THIS INTERSECTION.

SO TO ME, MY DIRECTION IS THANK YOU FOR LOOKING INTO THIS.

SORRY FOR MAKING YOU GO THROUGH ALL THIS WHEN IT'S CLEARLY TOO LATE.

DO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE NOW HAVE PROCEDURES IN PLACE THAT WERE NOT IN PLACE IN 2019 THAT WHEN A COUNCIL MEMBER BRINGS A QUESTION LIKE THIS TO STAFF, IT CAN BE ANSWERED IN A PROMPT FASHION RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO BACK THREE YEARS LATER AND DO ALL THIS.

YES, SINCE 2019.

YEAH, WE ABSOLUTELY DO.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR SUMMARY.

AND WHEN WE SAW THE EMAIL, WE SAW THE CORRESPONDENCE.

THE REASON THE PRESENTATION CAME FORWARD IS JUST TO BE TRANSPARENT.

WE WANTED TO AT LEAST LAY OUT ALL THE OPTIONS.

AND BECAUSE IT WASN'T CONSIDERED AT THE TIME WHEN THERE WAS A COMMITMENT OVER EMAIL THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED, WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.

BUT YES, I FEEL CONFIDENT WITH BECKY AND KYLE AND THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE, THIS WOULD NOT OCCUR AGAIN.

AND THEN MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS JUST I FEEL PRETTY CONVINCED THAT A ROUNDABOUT, IN ADDITION TO BEING NOT A REALISTIC OPTION AT THIS POINT, WOULD ALSO BE NOT THE BEST SOLUTION FOR ADDRESSING SAFETY AT THIS INTERSECTION.

WHAT OTHER MEASURES ARE BEING TAKEN TO ADDRESS SAFETY IN THIS INTERSECTION AND AROUND THIS AREA, PARTICULARLY FOR STUDENTS WHO ARE WALKING TO SCHOOL? I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY TALKED RECENTLY ABOUT DISD AND JUST, YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT DO YOU FEEL STAFF IS ALREADY DOING? SO THE CURRENT PLAN INCLUDES A STANDARD SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION WITH WITH CROSSWALKS.

THE MAIN CONCERN WITH ADDING A ROUNDABOUT WITH PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IS THE PROXIMITY TO THE FIRE STATION.

SO WITH THE FIRE STATION RIGHT OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROUNDABOUT, TRYING TO INSTALL A PREEMPTIVE SIGNAL TO ALLOW FREE TRAFFIC FROM THE FIRE STATION TO TO HAVE FREE ENTRY AND EXIT WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING VEHICLE TRAFFIC AND MAINTAINING PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS BECOMES KIND OF AN ISSUE IN DESIGN.

SO LOOKING AT IT, THE THE STANDARD SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION THAT'S GOING TO BE INSTALLED WITH THE BONNIE BRAY PHASE SIX PROJECT SEEMS TO MAKE MORE SENSE IN. JUST IN THIS AREA.

SO A PEDESTRIAN SIGNAL CROSSWALKS.

BECKY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? WELL, I JUST WANTED TO ADD AND I KNOW KYLE'S VERY AWARE OF THIS, BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND ON THE OVERALL BONNIE BRAVE FACE SIX PROJECT, THERE WILL BE A TEN FOOT SIDE PATH ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROADWAY AND A 6 TO 8 FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE I'M SORRY, THE WEST SIDE AND THE EAST SIDE WILL HAVE THE TEN FOOT SIDE PATH.

SO THERE'S GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE SIDEWALKS AND SIDE PATHS IN THIS AREA ALSO.

SO. AND LOW, LOW SPEED LIMITS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS PROBABLY ALREADY IN PLACE.

SO THE SPEED LIMITS WILL NOT BE EVALUATED.

THERE ARE SCHOOL ZONES IN THIS AREA.

AND AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE BROUGHT THAT FORWARD BACK IN AUGUST.

AND OF COURSE, WE'LL BE BRINGING AN UPDATED SCHOOL ZONE ORDINANCE THROUGH.

BUT THE SCHOOL ZONE COMES ALMOST DOWN TO THE INTERSECTION THAT'S FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION.

AND THEN ALSO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER NORTH OF THE FOUR WAY STOP SIGN AT THE AT THE CURRENT TIME, WHICH WILL BE A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION ALSO WITH CROSSWALKS, ETC.. SO AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL SPEED LIMIT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE EVALUATED THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS AND ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UH, I HAVE, UH, WE GET THERE COUNCILMAN DAVIS AND THE MAYOR PRO TEM.

SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE PRETTY FRUSTRATING TO ME ABOUT THIS PROCESS.

Y'ALL KNOW THE OBVIOUS ONE, IT'S RIGHT UP THERE ON THE SCREEN THAT I BROUGHT THIS UP IN 2019, BUT I ALSO DON'T APPRECIATE A COUPLE OF THINGS IF I COULD HAVE SLIDE FOUR, PLEASE.

JUST THE NEXT ONE. THE FIRST ONE IS THAT I DON'T I DON'T LIKE HOW WE'VE SET THIS ISSUE UP THAT, GOSH, THE HORSE IS OUT OF THE BARN.

THESE ARE ALL COSTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE INCURRED IF WE ARE TO REEVALUATE THIS IDEA AND PUT THIS IN PLACE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS BODY IS DOING.

THAT'S NOT, FRANKLY, ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM'S DOING.

BUT TO LOOK AT OUR CITIZENS AND SAY, SORRY, WE DIDN'T RESPOND TO AN EMAIL.

WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T FACTOR IT INTO OUR PLANS.

AND SO IT'S REALLY JUST TOO LATE TO DO SOMETHING THAT WE OUGHT TO DO.

AND THAT BRINGS ME TO THE NEXT THING CAN WE HAVE.

SO A GOOD CHUNK OF THOSE COSTS THAT ARE ON SLIDE THREE ARE COSTS INCURRED BY NOT LOOKING AT THIS PROBLEM BEFORE, BY NOT FULLY VETTING THIS PROBLEM BEFORE.

[02:10:02]

CAN I SLIDE THREE AGAIN, PLEASE? TO THE SOUTH. THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT FRUSTRATES ME ABOUT THE WAY THIS IS BEING PRESENTED.

TO THE SOUTHEAST IS OUR LAND.

OUR PROPERTY.

THAT'S OUR FIRE STATION.

THIS IS OUR RIGHT OF WAY.

THESE ARE OUR UTILITIES.

THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED.

I REALIZE THAT THIS IS THE GOSH, WE MESSED UP.

LET'S GET AN ANSWER FOR COUNCIL SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT HERE.

LET'S GET SOMETHING ON PAPER.

THIS IS NOT THE ONLY OPTION FOR A ROUNDABOUT AT THIS LOCATION.

IT DOES NOT HAVE TO COME ALL THE WAY WEST INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S LAND.

THAT'S GOING TO COST US HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

IT DOES NOT HAVE TO HIT RIGHT ON THE LINE WITH OUR OWN POWER POLE SO THAT WE'VE GOT TO SPEND MONTHS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO MOVE THEM.

WE DID SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT AT BONNIE BRAY.

WE HAVE COME IN AT A CURVE AND I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND ARMCHAIR QUARTERBACK ANY MORE THAN I ALREADY AM.

THE ENGINEERS WORK, BUT I AM GOING TO SAY.

MAYBE WE PICK THE MOST EXPENSIVE WAY TO BUILD A ROUNDABOUT AT THAT SPOT WITH THIS PARTICULAR BACK OF THE ENVELOPE DESIGN.

WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE BIG WIDE MEDIANS IN BETWEEN.

WE ALREADY INTEND THAT BONNIE BRAE IS GOING TO EXPAND.

AND THEN THAT TAKES ME TO SHOW ME THE SLIDE WITH THE MONSTER ROUNDABOUT.

THE. NO ONE IS ASKING FOR THIS.

NO ONE THAT SAID THIS IS GOING TO BE A GOOD IDEA.

THE TIA DOESN'T LIST THE TRAFFIC ON WINDSOR.

WE HAVEN'T TALKED MUCH ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON WINDSOR.

THE COUNCIL HASN'T SAID THAT WINDSOR, OTHER THAN THE THE COLOR OF THE LINE ON THE MOBILITY PLAN.

THE COUNCIL HAS NOT SAID THAT WINDSOR NEEDS TO BE A SIX LANE DIVIDED FACILITY COMING OUT OF NORTH LAKES PARK AND GOING OUT TO TOWARDS WINDSOR RIDGE AND ALL THOSE OTHER KIND OF THINGS.

AT MOST IT'S A TWO LANE FACILITY IN EACH DIRECTION, SO A FOUR LANE UNDIVIDED FACILITY.

IT'S NOT THIS IT'S NOT A CHEVY CHASE SITUATION.

NOBODY IS SITTING HERE PROPOSING THAT.

SO I DON'T APPRECIATE THIS PARTICULAR GRAPHIC.

I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT WHAT WE WOULD BUILD IN DENTON AND NOT WHAT WE WANT TO BUILD.

I DON'T LIKE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE COMPARISONS WITH THE PEDESTRIAN YIELDS YIELD RATES AT FOUR WAY INTERSECTIONS.

WE ARE WE HAVE A CITY THAT IS FULL OF SIX LANE DIVIDED FOUR WAY SIGNAL SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS, AND WE HAVE MADE IT A PRIORITY TO HAVE FEWER OF THOSE KIND OF CLASSIC T-BONE DEAD PEDESTRIAN DEAD MOTORIST KIND OF SITUATIONS IN THIS CITY, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED ABOUT THIS BACK IN 2019.

I DON'T THINK THE HORSE IS OUT OF THE BARN.

I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO LATE.

I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A PATRONIZING WAY TO LOOK AT IT.

FRANKLY, I DON'T LIKE BEING HELD HOSTAGE TO THE IDEA THAT, WELL, WE ALREADY GOT ALL OF OUR FUNDING LINED UP.

THAT'S NOT MY DOING.

THAT'S NOT MY DO IT. I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO LATE.

I THINK IT'S WORTH CONSIDERATION.

I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PEDESTRIANS, IT'S ONE THING TO SAY, WELL, THESE ARE THE THESE ARE THE THE YIELD RATES IN OTHER PLACES.

AND THAT'S THE BASIC RAW DATA.

BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW THESE KIDS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO USE THE INTERSECTION, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO WALK WHERE THE NEW SIDEWALKS, WE'RE BUILDING THEM, PARTICULARLY ON THE WEST SIDE OF BONNIE BRAE, ARE GOING TO BE THE OTHER PLACES THEY'RE GOING TO CROSS BEFORE THEY EVEN GET THERE.

I MAY BE THE ONLY ONE.

I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH THIS ANSWER.

THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD START BACK IN 2019.

IF I'M THE ONLY ONE, I'M THE ONLY ONE.

BUT I'VE HAD TOO MANY PEOPLE CALL ME AFTER NEWTON, RAZER TEACHER WAS NEARLY KILLED AT THIS INTERSECTION FOR SOMEBODY DRIVING TOO FAST.

AND IF WE THINK THAT THE HIGH SCHOOL MOTORISTS ARE GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH FIGURING OUT HOW TO DRIVE IN A CIRCLE, IT'S NOT THAT HARD.

ONCE YOU GET THERE, YOU HAVE TO SLOW DOWN WHEN YOU GET THERE.

IT FORCES YOU TO BE A BETTER DRIVER THEN THOSE HIGH SCHOOL MOTORISTS ARE GOING TO HAVE A MUCH WORSE PROBLEM GOING 45 AND 50 MILES AN HOUR DOWN TOWARDS THE SAME OLD KIND OF INTERSECTION THAT WE KNOW PRODUCES T-BONE ACCIDENTS.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY SAFER AS A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION THAN UNIVERSITY AT BONNIE BRAE.

THEN BONNIE BRAE AT SCRIPTURE WOULD HAVE BEEN IF WE HADN'T PUT A ROUNDABOUT IN AGAIN, I MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE, BUT I'M NOT SATISFIED THAT WE'VE FOUND THE ANSWER. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'M GOING TO PROVIDE SOME SOME CHIPS AND QUESO TO COUNCILOR DAVIS ARMCHAIR QUARTERBACKING.

THE I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET THREE NOW SAYING THAT THE PROCESS AND IT MAYBE IT WASN'T THE THE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE TODAY, BUT THE PROCESS ISN'T IDEAL.

I THINK I'M PROBABLY GOING TO END UP SIDING WITH THE PEDESTRIAN ANGLES AND THE HORSES OUT OF THE BARN CONCEPTS.

[02:15:05]

SORRY, JUST A LITTLE LESS QUESO FOR YOUR CHIPS THERE, JESSE, BUT THE I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT GET BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL, BROUGHT TO STAFF THAT ARE BROUGHT BY THE DISPARATE COUNCILORS FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

THEY'RE RESPONDING TO THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY IN WAYS THAT THAT MAY BE THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE TALKING TO TO STAFF ABOUT, AND THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE MEGAPHONE AND LEVERAGE.

AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, LET THIS BE A CAUTIONARY TALE.

I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HEAR, OKAY, WE'RE GOOD.

WE'RE LETTING THIS BE A CAUTIONARY TALE, BUT I REALLY WANT TO PUT A BUNCH OF PINS IN THIS THAT I'LL GIVE YOU A LIVE EXAMPLE.

AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING TO BE DONE ABOUT IT, BUT COUNCILOR BRIGGS PUT IN SIDEWALK CONCEPT TO TO PULL ONE OF THE SIDEWALKS OFF NOTTINGHAM AND PUT IT ON OLD NORTH, AND THAT DISAPPEARED INTO THIS BLACK HOLE THAT COUNCILOR MAGUIRE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

SO WHETHER THAT'S IN A FUTURE MOBILITY OR PLAN OR NOT, THIS COUNTS FOR SOME FUTURE COUNCIL WILL WILL EVALUATE THAT.

BUT WHEN WE GET TO THESE POINTS IT MEANS THAT WE DO GET INTO A HORSES OUT OF THE BARN SITUATION AND IT'S AND AND I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THERE'S THERE'S ROOM TO AT LEAST DO THE INTELLECTUAL EXERCISE OF WHETHER WE COULD HAVE DESIGNED A THING.

AND BECAUSE WE AND I KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A WASTE OF TIME BECAUSE WE MAY NOT LEND DIRECTION TO IT.

BUT THE REASON THAT'S NOT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME IS THERE ARE OTHER INTERSECTIONS LIKE THIS AROUND TOWN.

AND IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO NOT MAKE THESE THESE SORT OF.

AND I'M NOT REALLY PICKING ON ANY ANY PERSON.

I'M JUST LIKE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A PROCESS TO WHERE THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY IS IS BETTER ABSORBED IN A MORE TIMELY FASHION.

SO I KIND OF WANT TO REINFORCE THE VOICES THAT I HEARD EARLIER, BUT I GUESS MY DIRECTION IS A LITTLE BIT OF THE HORSES OUT OF THE BARN DIRECTION.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? I DO. I DO WANT TO SAY THIS.

I DON'T KNOW THE TIMING AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO RESEARCH IT.

BUT I HAD THIS VERY CONVERSATION WITH THE LADY THAT WAS LIKE 90 SOMETHING AND WE'RE TRYING TO PUT HER OUT OF OUR HOUSE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THINGS.

RIGHT? WE'RE DOING THE LAND ACQUISITION.

I HAD THIS VERY CONVERSATION, BUT BUT THE ANSWER IS ON THAT.

YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING ON THE EAST SIDE IS, ONE, THE SIDEWALKS ALREADY THERE, SO YOU'D HAVE TO TEAR OUT THE SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S THE SAME THING THE HOMEOWNERS WERE SAYING, HEY, EXPAND ON THE OTHER SIDE.

AND THE ANSWER'S BEEN CONSISTENT.

WE'RE NOT EXPANDING ON THE SIDE.

MY UNDERSTANDING. RIGHT.

AND THEN EVEN BEYOND THAT, WHEN I SO I'VE ONLY BEEN ON THE COUNCIL A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE THIS EMAIL.

RIGHT. BUT BUT I REMEMBER DISTINCTLY, I MENTIONED, HEY, I'M GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PUTTING THIS LADY OUT OF OUR HOUSE.

AND THEN MAYOR WATTS SAID, YOU'RE GOING TO FOREGO ALL THIS MONEY FOR TEXAS.

YOU KNOW, AND SO I SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THIS ISN'T I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I UNDERSTOOD EVEN THEN.

AND I WAS JUST GOING TO HAVE TO WEIGH THAT DECISION.

IT WAS NOT AN OPTION TO GO WEST.

THAT'S JUST BY EVERY STRETCH.

THAT WAS JUST IT WAS IT WASN'T TEXT DOT FUNDING WASN'T FOR IT.

THE SIDEWALKS ARE ALREADY THERE.

THE POWER LINES ARE ALREADY THERE.

THAT DECISION WAS ONE OF THOSE THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE WELL BEFORE WE COULD HAVE THIS OR ANY OTHER PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS.

THAT KIND OF DECISION WAS MADE TO WHOMEVER.

WHOEVER WAS INVOLVED IN THAT CONVERSATION WITH TEXTED OUT AND TALKED ABOUT DONATING THEM, PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROJECT.

SO I JUST SAY THAT TO SAY THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING BACK THEN.

AND THEN, YEAH, THOSE, THOSE THINGS, JUST THE SIDEWALK AND PLACE THIS CONVERSATION OF NOT GOING EAST IS NOT NEW JUST BECAUSE I DON'T IT PREDATED ME BUT IT WAS DONE WHEN I, WHEN I, WHEN WE STARTED ACQUIRING LION LAND ON THE ON THE WEST SIDE IT WAS ALREADY DONE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT CONVERSATION HAPPENED.

SO MAYBE STAFF CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THAT TIMING, BUT IT WAS WELL IN ADVANCE OF THIS JUST BECAUSE FROM MEMORY, BECAUSE I ASK ABOUT ABOUT THAT MYSELF.

SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THAT'S.

I KNEW THERE WAS A PROBLEM.

ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY.

SAME THING. THE HOMEOWNERS WERE ASKING, WHY COULDN'T WE GO THAT OTHER WAY? ANYONE ELSE IS.

CITY MANAGER WILL DAVID FOLLOW UP? BUT I DID WANT TO SAY WE UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE GOT LOST IN TRANSLATION.

THIS IS JUST A REMINDER.

WHEN YOU HAVE ONE THING I WOULD SAY THAT'S FOR ME ANYWAY.

THE ONE WAY WE'RE ABLE TO TRACK THINGS IS THINGS GO THROUGH CMO.

THAT'S HOW WE TRACK IT.

SO THAT'S HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

[02:20:02]

THERE'S NOTHING THERE'S NOTHING GOOD ABOUT THIS.

BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS AND COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT THE WE WE WORK HARD IN GIVING OUR PRESENTATIONS AND WE DO WHAT WE CALL, I CALL IT THE MURDER BOARD, BUT WE GO THROUGH AND ASK THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT IS THERE OTHER OPTIONS, CAN WE DO IT DIFFERENTLY? ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING? WE MISS IT SOMETIMES, BUT WE ALSO SAY TO OURSELVES, LET'S LAY IT OUT THERE AND BE FACTUAL ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO DO THIS.

AND IT IS NOT.

IT'S CERTAINLY PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT AS WE DIDN'T.

WE'RE TRYING TO PUT YOU IN A CORNER OR MAKE IT LOOK BAD, BUT WE OWE IT TO ALL OF YOU TO BE HONEST ABOUT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE AND HOW IT COULD BE.

AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR DAVID'S SAY.

HE ASKED ALL THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT CAN WE MOVE IT, CAN WE DO THIS? AND IF WE MISS SOMETHING, WE'LL OWN IT.

IN THIS CASE, WE MISSED IT IN 2019 AND WE OWN THAT.

BUT WE REALLY DO TRY TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE.

AND THAT'S WHY I WANT DAVID TO TIME TO TELL YOU ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT HE ASKED BEFORE WE EVEN PUT THIS OUT THERE.

WELL, OVERALL, I'LL JUST YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A DIFFICULT CONVERSATION TO BRING FORWARD.

IT WAS IN THE SPIRIT OF BEING TRANSPARENT.

I APPRECIATE KYLE KIND OF STEPPING UP HERE AND AND DOING THAT.

AND AS FAR AS THE PROCESS GOING FORWARD, NOT ONLY GOING BACK TO TRANSPARENCY, YOU KNOW, OUR PROCESS NOW, THAT QUESTION WOULD NOT ONLY BE ANSWERED DIRECTLY TO COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, BUT ALSO IN THE FRIDAY REPORT.

AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT THERE AND WE WOULD HAVE BEEN COMMITTED TO HAVING THAT RESPONSE.

AS FAR AS THE ROUNDABOUT, SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OBVIOUSLY WOULD GO TO BECKY.

BUT ALL THE ALIGNMENTS AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THIS ONE UP AS WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, THIS IS KIND OF SHOW IN THAT FULL BUILD OUT, BUT OF MOVING IT TO OTHER SIDES AND TRYING TO GET OUR WE ASKED ALL THOSE QUESTIONS AND WENT THROUGH AND BECKY SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME LOOKING AT THOSE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

AND THIS WAS NOT TRYING TO SHOW THE MOST CONSERVATIVE HIGHEST COST.

IT REALLY WAS TRYING TO SHOW THE MOST FEASIBLE FROM THEIR ANALYSIS AT THE TIME.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I SAID THAT PUBLICLY.

BUT AGAIN, TRYING TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS AND SHOW WHAT THE TRUE COSTS WERE.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS, I APPRECIATE THAT RESPONSE FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I WAS NOT IMPLYING ANY MOTIVATION TO THAT.

IT WAS ALMOST A FLIP. REMARK THAT THE ALIGNMENT THAT WAS PICKED IS MAYBE THE MOST EXPENSIVE.

I WILL KEEP MY MY DISAGREEMENT TO MY LAYMAN SELF AND HOLD THAT FOR A DIFFERENT TIME WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT INTERSECTION. BUT I'LL BRING UP ANOTHER POINT OF TRANSPARENCY THAT I THINK WE REALLY OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT.

WE'RE GETTING BETTER AND BETTER AT OUR OUR PROJECT MAPS AND OUR PROJECT ACTIVE PROJECTS, GIS LAYERS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ENGAGED CITY.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS A CITY THAT CAN CAN DO SOME DUE DILIGENCE ON SOME THINGS AND BRINGS THINGS TO MIND.

ON MY BLOCK. I'VE GOT A RETIRED CITY ENGINEER AND HE HAS A LOT OF THINGS TO SAY ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.

AND HE IS VERY OFTEN RIGHT.

AND WHEN YOU HEAR ME ASK FOR, YOU KNOW, ON A ON A ON DIFFERENT ISSUES, WHEN WE ASKED FOR A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND THAN ANOTHER COUNCIL MIGHT ASK FOR, OR WHEN WE ASK THE CITY ENGINEER FOR PDFS OF THINGS, IT'S NOT JUST FOR THAT ONE GUY ON MY BLOCK, IT'S FOR A WHOLE CITY FULL OF VERY SMART, CAPABLE PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, IF TECH STOCK CAN GET CROSS-SECTIONS AND PDFS AND SCHEMATICS UP ON THEIR WEBSITE ON A PRETTY IN A PRETTY QUICK WAY, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT TOO.

I THINK WE CAN BE TALKING ABOUT IT SHOULDN'T TAKE IN ALL THE WAY TO THAT GAP BETWEEN FUNDING THE KIMLEY-HORN CONTRACT AND SURPRISE HERE IN THE IN THE FRIDAY REPORT IS WHAT THE ROAD'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

AND WE'VE ALREADY SECURED THE FUNDING THROUGH COG AND WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE FEDERAL FUNDING AND WE CAN'T MOVE AN INCH BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY MADE THAT LEAP AND YOU WEREN'T A PART OF IT. I DON'T WANT THE COUNCIL TO MICROMANAGE EVERY SINGLE LANE MILE OF THE CITY, BUT I THINK WE CAN BE PRODUCING THESE UPDATES IN A WAY THAT OUR CITIZENS CAN GIVE US THE FEEDBACK WAY EARLIER IN THE PROCESS.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY WITH OUR BIG ROAD PROJECTS BONNIE HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR IT WILL BE A DECADES LONG PROJECT.

BY THE TIME WE ARE ALL SAID AND DONE, WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME MORE FUNDING.

SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING OUR PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE ROADS FOR DECADES INTO THE FUTURE.

I THINK WE CAN TELL THEM MORE UPFRONT THAN WE HAVE BEEN.

AND THIS IS JUST THE LATEST EXAMPLE.

NO ONE IN THE ROOM HAS RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT, BUT WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB MAKING OUR FOLKS AWARE OF WHAT THE STREETS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN THEY'RE BUILT.

BEFORE WE SAY IF YOU BUILD IT ANY WAY DIFFERENT, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE $12 MILLION.

APPRECIATE THAT. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OF ANYONE ELSE, CNN OC.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORK SESSIONS WHERE WE DINNER WILL BE HERE AND SHOULD BE SET UP, SHOULD BE HERE SHORTLY.

SHOULD BE SET UP BY 445.

WILL RECONVENE BACK IN.

THANK YOU, KYLE. GOOD JOB.

WE WILL RECONVENE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING.

WE HAVE THREE QUICK ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION AND THEN WE'RE DONE.

[02:25:05]

WE'LL BE BACK IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

630. GOOD.

WELCOME. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

[AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED:]

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO I CALL THIS PORTION OF OUR MEETING BACK TO ORDER.

AND THE FIRST THING ON OUR AGENDA IS PLEDGES TO THE UNITED STATES AND TEXAS FLAG.

PLEASE STAND WITH ME IF WE'RE ABLE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE WORLD FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR TO THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE TO GOD, ONE AN INDIVIDUAL.

GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PROCLAMATIONS, SO I'LL COME DOWN FOR THOSE.

[A. Proclamation: The Salvation Army’s Red Kettle Love Beyond Campaign]

SO THERE'S SOMEONE HERE TO RECEIVE THAT.

GREAT. HEY, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD TO SEE YOU. HEY, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD TO SEE YOU. OK.

SO I'LL TURN THE MIC OVER TO YOU.

YOU CAN TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW, AND THEN I HAVE A PROCLAMATION TO READ FOR YOU.

ALL RIGHT, SO I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THIS.

I HAVE A HUGE SPEECH, BUT YOU GUYS DON'T NEED ALL OF THIS.

WE ARE STARTING CHRISTMAS NOW.

ISN'T THAT CRAZY? I MEAN, WE JUST GOT THROUGH THANKSGIVING, AND I JUST GAVE OUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF CANDY, WHICH, THANK GOD, I DIDN'T KEEP FOR MYSELF.

BUT NOW WE ARE STARTING CHRISTMAS.

WE HAVE AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE GIVEN US THE GO AHEAD STARTING NOVEMBER 1ST.

BUT WE'RE NOT READY FOR THAT YET.

SO WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING NOVEMBER 7TH.

SO YOU WILL SEE US OUT AT THE ONE HOBBY LOBBY.

SO HOBBY LOBBY HERE AND ONE IN LITTLE ELM.

AND THEN NOVEMBER 10TH WE HAVE OUR KETTLE KICKOFF.

WOOHOO! IT'S A BIT AND THE MAYOR WILL BE THERE AND A LOT OF YOU ARE ALL INVITED.

PLEASE COME. IT'S AT 1030 AT THE GOLDEN TRIANGLE MALL.

AND THE MALLS HAVE BEEN VERY GRACIOUS.

THEY HAVE BEAUTIFUL DECORATIONS AND I LOVE GOING THERE.

WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BAND.

THE DISD IS GOING TO BE DOING A FEW PERFORMANCES, SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

JUST TO KICK OFF, LET PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, WE'RE RINGING BELL SOON.

DON'T BE SCARED OF US, BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE TEND TO GO TO THE OTHER DOORS WHEN THEY SEE US WITH OUR KETTLES.

BUT THIS IS OUR BIGGEST FUNDRAISER OF THE YEAR AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT DOING IT.

LAST YEAR, OUR GOAL WAS 90,000.

WE MADE 105,000.

THAT WAS AMAZING.

SO OF COURSE PEOPLE ABOVE ME SAID, YOUR GOAL IS HIGHER THIS YEAR, IT'S 100,000.

I THINK WE CAN DO IT.

SO WE CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT OUR COMMUNITY THOUGH.

SO I REALLY WANT TO HELP.

I REALLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU.

WE ALSO HAVE A VOLUNTEER WEBSITE IF YOU WANT TO RING WITH THIS MOST ADORABLE BELL HAS A SHIELD ON IT AND EVERYTHING.

AND IT'S NOT THAT LOUD.

IT'S KIND OF LOUD. BUT IF YOU WANT TO RING WITH THIS BELL, YOU CAN DO IT WITH YOUR FAMILY, WITH YOUR SUNDAY SCHOOL CLASS, WITH, YOU KNOW, YOUR YOUR YOUR ACTIVE SOCIAL GROUP IN TOWN.

YOU CAN GO AND SIGN UP FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS ARE A WEBSITE IS REGISTERED TO RING DOT COM AND YOU CAN PICK ANY LOCATION IN DENTON THAT WE HAVE WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET WALMART A WEEK BEFORE THANKSGIVING AND WE GET KROGER A WEEK, RIGHT, RIGHT AFTER THANKSGIVING.

SO IF YOU WANT TO RING AT ANY OF THOSE LOCATIONS, YOU CAN GO ONLINE, SIGN UP AND PICK THOSE SPOTS.

AND THAT WOULD HELP US.

VOLUNTEERS ACTUALLY DO A LOT BETTER THAN ARE PAID BELL RINGERS.

IF ANYBODY NEEDS A JOB, I WILL HIRE YOU $11 AN HOUR TO RING.

WE NEED THE HELP.

BUT YEAH, THAT'S COMING SOON.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR LETTING US DO THIS.

I ALSO WANT TO SAY THE MAYOR'S RINGING WITH THE CITY, SO THANK YOU, GUYS.

ON NOVEMBER NO, DECEMBER 9TH.

IT'S A BIG MAYORAL CHALLENGE.

[02:30:01]

HE HAS CHALLENGED THE MAYORS IN ALL OF DENTON COUNTY.

SO THEY ARE GOING TO RING DECEMBER 9TH SO YOU GUYS CAN GO AND SUPPORT THEM AT SAM'S CLUB ON DECEMBER 9TH.

SO THANK YOU. VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND SO HOW CAN PEOPLE GIVE JUST TO MAKE SURE WE TOUCH ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT HERE.

SO CAN PEOPLE GIVE CASH? AND THEN IF THEY'RE AT THE IF THEY SEE WHAT ARE THE WAYS TO GIVE AT THE WHEN WHEN YOU SEE SOME I'M SORRY I'M LIKE TREMBLING UP HERE SO YOU CAN GIVE ACTUALLY AT THE KETTLE SITE BUT THE MAYOR'S ALSO GOING TO HAVE HIS OWN VIRTUAL KETTLE.

WE HAVE VIRTUAL KETTLES ONLINE AND HE WILL HAVE HIS OWN QR CODE.

SO THIS IS HIS RIGHT HERE.

AND THEY'VE HAVE STARTED TODAY.

SO IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE TO HIS SITE, YOU CAN FOLLOW THIS QR CODE AND PUT SOME MONEY IN THE MAYOR'S KETTLE.

AND THAT IS IT IS SORT OF A COMPETITION BETWEEN THE OTHER MAYORS.

SO THEY HAVE ALREADY STARTED ON EVERY SIGN THERE IS GOING TO BE AN NFC TAG AND A QR CODE TO GIVE VIRTUALLY IF YOU DON'T CARRY CASH, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T DO.

SO IF YOU SEE ONE, THESE ARE OUR SIGNS FOR THIS YEAR, BIG WAY AND THE RED SHIELD, YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE END OF THE PARKING LOT, BUT JUST LETTING YOU KNOW IF YOU DON'T HAVE CASH, THAT'S OKAY. WE HAVE A VIRTUAL QR CODE AT THE BOTTOM.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY.

THERE'S A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME.

GREETINGS. WHEREAS THE OPERATIONS OF THE SALVATION ARMY ARE SUPERVISED BY TRAINED COMMISSIONED OFFICERS, THEY PROCLAIM THE GOSPEL AND SERVE AS ADMINISTRATORS, TEACHERS, SOCIAL WORKERS, COUNSELORS, YOUTH LEADERS AND MUSICIANS.

THESE MEN AND WOMEN HAVE DEDICATED THEIR LIVES COMPLETELY TO SERVICE, WHEREAS OVER 600 PEOPLE IN DENTON VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME, TALENTS AND RESOURCES WITH SALVATION.

AN ARMY TO ASSIST WORK TO ASSIST WORK NEEDED TO MEET HUMAN NEEDS WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION.

VOLUNTEERS ARE CRITICAL PARTNERS IN IN HELPING FULFILL PROMISES TO THE AMERICAN TO AMERICA OF DOING THE BEST.

AND. WHEREAS, IN DENTON, THE SALVATION ARMY PROVIDES IMPORTANT SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING MEALS AND SHELTER FOR MEN AND WOMEN AND CHILDREN EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, A FOOD PANTRY TWICE A WEEK, AND FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO HELP FAMILIES PAY RENT AND UTILITY BILLS.

AND. WHEREAS, THESE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED FOR FREE OF CHARGE TO THE PEOPLE WHO WHO ARE SERVED.

THE ONLY WAY THIS IS POSSIBLE IS THROUGH THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT OF THE LOCAL CITIZENS WHO GIVE THROUGH VARIOUS CHANNELS, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS THE SALVATION ARMY'S ANNUAL RED KETTLE CAMPAIGN.

THIS YEAR, OUR THEME FOR THE RED KETTLE CAMPAIGN IS LOVE BEYOND.

AND. WHEREAS, TO REACH THE RED KETTLE GOAL OF $100,000 FOR THIS YEAR'S HOLIDAY CAMPAIGN, THE SALVATION ARMY IS SEEKING VOLUNTEERS TO FILL MORE THAN 1003 1003 HOUR SHIFTS AS BELL RINGERS.

THE AVERAGE VOLUNTEER VOLUNTEER BELL RINGER BRINGS IN OVER $50 AN HOUR FOR THE CAUSE.

AND NOW, THEREFORE, I.

GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THE 2022 HOLIDAY SEASON AS THE SALVATION ARMY'S RED KETTLE LOVE BEYOND CAMPAIGN IN THE CITY OF DENTON, AND URGE ALL CITIZENS TO REGISTER AT RING.

REGISTER TO RING DOT COM AND PAY.

PICK A DATE. O DOT ORG.

SORRY DOT ORG.

SO REGISTER THE RING DOT ORG.

YOU'RE AWESOME. NO, NO.

I APPRECIATE IT. REGISTER TO RING DOT ORG AND PICK A DAY AND A LOCATION TO VOLUNTEER AS A BELL RINGER FOR SALVATION ARMY.

BETWEEN THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS.

IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A HAND, PLEASE.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW USUALLY FOLKS ON.

WE'RE TRANSMITTING THE WRONG TRANSMITTERS.

OH. OH, YEAH.

WE CAN MOVE ON.

ALL RIGHT. AND IF REGISTER TO RING, DOESN'T HAPPEN.

BY THE WAY, MY NAME IS BRIDGET.

I'M THE VOLUNTEER SPECIALIST FOR DENTON COUNTY.

SO I GET TO SAY THESE FUN THINGS.

IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER THAT.

FEEL FREE TO CALL THE SALVATION ARMY.

CANDACE IS OUR AMAZING RECEPTIONIST THERE.

SHE HAS MY CELL PHONE NUMBER.

SO REACH OUT BECAUSE WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

A LITTLE SIDEBAR IS THAT SINCE APRIL OF THIS YEAR, THE NEED IN THE COMMUNITY HAS GONE UP 78%.

SO THAT IS A HUGE.

SO WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE AND A LOT OF KIDS.

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ONE OTHER THING, I ALWAYS FORGET THINGS.

WE ARE DOING A CHRISTMAS PROGRAM AS WELL FOR KIDS.

WE FINISHED OUR APPLICATION PROCESS.

WE ARE HELPING OVER 5500 KIDS IN DENTON, SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

OUR DISTRIBUTION DAY IS THE 17TH OF DECEMBER.

IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN THAT TOO, YOU CAN GO ON OUR SITE AND VOLUNTEER TO GO ON OUR WEBSITE AND DO VOLUNTEER TO GO FOR ANGEL TREE TO HELP US IN THE WAREHOUSE. WE NEED HELP PUTTING THOSE GIFTS TOGETHER AND GIVING THEM TO THE FAMILY.

SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT, WE WILL LOVE THAT HELP, TOO.

THANK YOU, GUYS. AND SO LAST YEAR IT WAS HICKORY CREEK THAT WON AS THE MAYOR CHALLENGE, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO WRITE THAT WRONG.

AND THEN LAST THING IS, THERE'S A PLAY, RIGHT? IS THERE TIME? YEAH. YEAH.

YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED. OH, GOSH, I'M SORRY.

THE TRAVEL GROUP IS DOING AN AWESOME THING WHERE THEY SUPPORT NONPROFITS FOR A WHOLE WEEK.

SO IT'S NOT JUST US AS OTHER GROUPS TOO, BUT WE'RE ON NOVEMBER 9TH.

SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN BUYING A TICKET, IT'S $50 AND YOU CAN FIND US ON SAL AMI DENTON ON FACEBOOK AND YOU CAN FOLLOW IT TO OUR ONLINE TICKET BOOTH, WHICH IS EVENTBRITE AND BUY A TICKET.

IT'S REALLY GREAT THERE.

IT'S CALLED IT'S ABOUT TIME.

IT'S A MUSICAL SALUTE TO TIME AND IT'S HILARIOUS.

THEY DO A GREAT JOB AND I'M EXCITED TO GO TO IT BECAUSE IT'S JUST IT'S SUCH A GREAT TIME AND THEY'RE DOING SUCH GREAT WORK.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT.

HAVE A GREAT EVENING. ALL RIGHT.

YES, OK.

[B. Proclamation: Homeless and Hunger Week]

IN OUR DAILY BREAD.

YEAH.

HEY, HOW ARE YOU DOING? VERY WELL.

GREAT TO SEE YOU. YOU AS WELL.

SO YOU TELL YOUR HUSBAND I SAID HELLO? YEAH. OKAY.

SO YOU CAN INTRODUCE EVERYONE CAN INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, AND THEN TELL US WHAT WE'RE RECOGNIZING.

OKAY. I'M WENDY MCGEE.

I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF OUR DAILY BREAD.

ALICIA BACHER, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT.

DANA BENTON, LONG BOARD MEMBER.

KATHY RICE, CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER, OUR DAILY BREAD.

ANGELA GRUBB GUEST SERVICES.

EMILY TAYLOR BOARD PRESIDENT OF OPERATIONS.

TRISH BROOKS, SHELTER DIRECTOR.

COURTNEY LARA CITY OF DENTON.

MEGHAN BALL. CITY OF DENTON.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

AND SO YOU WANT TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE RECOGNIZING? ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE WONDERFUL MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM HERE, AND I AM INCLUDING COURTNEY AND MEGHAN IN THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE JUST BEEN GREAT PARTNERS, AS HAS THE CITY OF DENTON MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL.

WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

WE REALLY JUST WANT TO AND WE APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT HUNGER AND HOMELESSNESS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

OUR DAILY BREAD PROVIDES SHELTER, MEALS, WRAPAROUND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES, AND THEN OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND TO RECOVER AND EXIT FROM HOMELESSNESS.

WE ALSO PROVIDE A LOT OF ACTIVITIES THAT HELP PEOPLE TO STAY IN THEIR HOMES.

SO HOMELESSNESS, PREVENTION.

THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE LIVING JUST ONE PAYCHECK AWAY FROM BEING SOME SOME LIFE EVENT THAT COULD PUT THEM ON THE STREET.

AND SO WE HAVE A LOT OF WRAPAROUND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE, AND WE DO THAT WITH OUR WONDERFUL GROUP OF TEAM MEMBERS, THIS COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS, AND THEN A WHOLE HOST OF NONPROFIT PARTNERS, THE SALVATION ARMY THAT WAS JUST HERE.

WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM AS WELL.

SO THERE IS JUST A REAL GREAT COLLABORATIVE ACROSS THE COMMUNITY WORKING TO ADDRESS THESE VERY SERIOUS ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

HOMELESSNESS IS UP MORE THAN 54%, I BELIEVE, FROM 20 TO 22.

SO WE'RE SEEING A RISE IN HOMELESSNESS.

AND THEN FOOD INSECURITY IS A MAJOR CONCERN WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL.

MORE THAN ABOUT ONE IN FIVE PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW WHERE THEIR NEXT MEAL WILL COME FROM.

AND SO WE REALLY ARE WORKING HARD ACROSS THE CONTINUUM TO TRY TO BRING RESOURCES TO PEOPLE IN NEED.

WE'RE EXCITED. IF I CAN JUST TAKE A MINUTE TO SAY THAT WE WILL BE MOVING TO A NEW LOCATION IN DECEMBER.

SO DECEMBER 12TH WE WILL BE OPENING REALLY A FULL SERVICE SHELTER COMMUNITY RESOURCE CENTER.

WE'LL OFFER MEALS AND JUST EVERYTHING WILL BE UNDER ONE ROOF, AN EMERGENCY SHELTER, A TRANSITIONAL SHELTER, MEALS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, THREE MEALS PER DAY OPEN TO THE

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AND I AM JUST SCRATCHING THE SURFACE OF WHAT ALL WILL BE PROVIDED THERE.

BUT THE WONDERFUL THING ABOUT HAVING EVERYTHING IN ONE LOCATION IS IT REALLY DISSOLVES BARRIERS THAT KEEP PEOPLE FROM ACCESSING SERVICES THAT HELP THEM TO EXIT HOMELESSNESS OR TO REMAIN HOUSED.

AND SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT ALL THAT THE CITY HAS CONTRIBUTED TO MAKE THIS PROJECT AND THIS DREAM A REALITY.

WE KNOW THAT TOGETHER WITH ALL OF OUR PARTNERS, EVERYONE FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE EVEN MORE OF AN IMPACT IN HELPING PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HUNGER AND HOMELESSNESS. AND THEN IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SUPPORT YOUR ORGANIZATION THROUGH THAT SAME PLAY, WHAT DO THEY VISIT ON THE WEBSITE IS? IT ABSOLUTELY IS.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT PROMPT.

WE CURRENTLY WE WE NEED 50 VOLUNTEERS PER DAY TO RUN OUR ORGANIZATION.

WHEN WE TRANSITION TO OUR NEW LOCATION IN DECEMBER, WE'LL NEED 100.

SO AND THE GOOD THING IS WE'RE OPEN 24 SEVEN, SO THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO VOLUNTEER AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY AND THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT DIVERSE OPPORTUNITIES.

SO WE ABSOLUTELY NEED VOLUNTEERS.

WE ALSO APPRECIATE MONETARY CONTRIBUTIONS AS WELL AS IN-KIND GIFTS OF SUPPLIES, HYGIENE ITEMS, FOOD ITEMS, BLANKETS, CLOTHING.

YOU CAN LOOK ON OUR WEBSITE AT OUR DAILY BREAD DENTON DOT ORG AND YOU CAN SEE ALL OF OUR NEEDS AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANY OF YOU TO GET INVOLVED.

OKAY, VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION HERE AND IT READS A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENT SHALL COME GREETINGS.

WHEREAS THE CITY OF DENTON RECOGNIZES THAT HOMELESSNESS CONTINUES TO BE A SERIOUS PROBLEM FOR MANY INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES AND DENTON COUNTY.

AND. WHEREAS, OUR DAILY BREAD MISSION IS TO FEED.

SHELTER AND CARE FOR NEIGHBORS IN NEED.

AND. WHEREAS, OUR DAILY BREAD SERVES 800 MEALS A DAY, SHELTERS 85 PEOPLE A NIGHT, AND TRANSITION 64 INDIVIDUALS TO THE NEXT STEP OF INDEPENDENT LIVING.

AND. WHEREAS, OUR DAILY BREAD WILL HOLD A SERIES OF EVENTS DURING THE WEEK OF NOVEMBER 12TH THROUGH THE 20TH 2022 TO RAISE FUNDS AND GENERATE AWARENESS FOR NEW FOR THE NEW FACILITY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF DENTON ON LUKE 28.

AND NOW THEREFORE, I.

GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF NOVEMBER 12, 320 AND 2022 AS HOMELESS AND HUNGER, HOMELESSNESS AND HUNGER WEEK IN THE CITY OF DENTON, AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO CONSIDER VOLUNTEERING AND OR SUPPORTING OUR DAILY BREAD TO BE PART OF THE POSITIVE IMPACT, PART OF POSITIVELY IMPACTING OUR CITY.

THANK YOU. AND GIVE ME A HAND.

YES.

WE WANT EACH.

HE'S VERY MUCH. AWFUL GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SEE YOU LATER.

BIG CUSTOMER.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

[3. PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC]

LET ME GET THERE.

BUT BEFORE THAT, IF WE COULD PLAY THE VIDEO AND THEN OUR.

THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, INCLUDING A CODE OF CONDUCT THAT APPLIES TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THESE RULES WERE ENACTED TO PROMOTE AN ORDERLY PROCESS AND TO PRESERVE DECORUM.

SPEAKERS WILL HAVE 4 MINUTES TO GIVE A SCHEDULED REPORT AND 4 MINUTES TO GIVE AN OPEN MIC REPORT.

A BELL WILL RING WHEN TIME HAS EXPIRED.

IF THE REMARKS ARE NOT CONCLUDED BY THAT TIME, THE SPEAKER WILL BE ASKED TO STOP SPEAKING.

IF THE SPEAKER DOES NOT CEASE AND A SECOND REQUEST IS MADE, THE MAYOR MAY REQUEST TO HAVE THE SPEAKER REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER.

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IF A SPEAKER HAS MATERIALS FOR THE COUNCIL, PLEASE NOTIFY THE CITY SECRETARY IN ADVANCE FOR SCHEDULED REPORTS.

THE COUNCIL MAY INITIATE DISCUSSION OR ASK QUESTIONS FOR NON SCHEDULED OPEN MIC REPORTS.

THE COUNCIL MAY LISTEN, HOWEVER, BECAUSE NO NOTICE OF THE SUBJECT OF THE OPEN MIC REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC IN ADVANCE.

THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR DECISION BY THE COUNCIL ON NON SCHEDULED ITEMS. AS A RESULT, THE COUNCIL MAY ONLY PROCEED AS FOLLOWS ON NON SCHEDULED ITEMS PROPOSED TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

MAKE A STATEMENT, A FACTUAL POLICY, OR A RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY.

SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO DIRECT ALL REMARKS AND QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER.

PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MAKING ABUSIVE, PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS.

ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE MAY BE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER.

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.

COPIES OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY SECRETARY.

OK. MR. NICHOLAS WOODS.

IF YOU COME UP AND GIVE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES.

MAY YOUR HUDSPETH IN MEMBERS OF THE PRESTIGIOUS PRESTIGIOUS COUNCIL OF DENTON.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME UP HERE AND PRESENT THIS PRESENTATION.

MY NAME IS NICHOLAS WOODS.

MY ADDRESS IS 1024 EAST MCKINNEY STREET.

AND TODAY I WANT TO SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DEGRADATION OF IT.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SOLOMON HILL.

IT'S ON MCKINNEY STREET IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

I'VE GOT THREE POINTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE.

THE FIRST POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS ABOUT EXCESSIVE NOISE.

PREDOMINANTLY CARS.

THEY'RE SPEEDING.

THERE'S LOUD MUSIC, THERE'S BURNOUTS, THERE'S ENGINE REVVING, THERE'S OVERLY LOUD EXHAUST SYSTEMS. AND THIS PICTURE THAT I PUBLISHED HERE, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE STOP SIGN, THERE'S A BURNOUT AT THE STOP SIGN, WHICH IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.

I TOOK THIS PICTURE SUNDAY RIGHT AFTER IT HAPPENED.

MY SECOND POINT IS THE PROPERTY AT 1102 EAST MCKINNEY STREET.

IT'S AT MCKINNEY AND CRAWFORD.

THE BRICK FACADE HAS FAILED TO BE REPAIRED.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

THE PROPERTY IS USED AS A SCRAPYARD.

THIS PROPERTY IS CONSTANTLY FILLED WITH DEBRIS.

THERE'S A NEVER ENDING YARD SALE.

THERE'S FREQUENT NOISE AND SAWING AND HAMMERING.

THE TENANTS OF THIS PROPERTY CONTINUALLY CIRCUMVENT CITY ORDINANCES.

A WARNING IS ISSUED, THE PROPERTY IS CLEANED.

THE DUMPING CONTINUES AFTER AN INSPECTION.

CITATIONS ARE RARELY ISSUED.

WE CAN GO THROUGH SOME PICTURES THAT I'VE TAKEN AND WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THESE FAIRLY BRIEFLY.

IN THIS PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE YARD HAS BEEN CLEANED UP SOMEWHAT, BUT YOU'LL STILL NOTICE THAT THERE'S SOME TVS OUT THERE AND SOME TRASH ON THE FRONT PORCH.

MOVING ON TO MY THIRD AND MOST IMPORTANT POINT HERE IS THE PROPERTY AT 1101 EAST MCKINNEY STREET.

IT'S AN EASY MART AND SMOKE.

IT'S IN MCKINNEY AND CRAWFORD.

THERE'S LOITERING, LOITERING, ILLEGAL GAMBLING, DISTRIBUTION OF DRUGS, PROSTITUTION, PUBLIC EMPOWERMENT, YELLING, FIGHTING.

AND I'VE TAKEN A FEW PICTURES HERE.

WE CAN GO THROUGH THESE AND TAKE A LOOK AS WELL.

YOU'LL NOTICE THE WHITE BAGS THAT HE'S HOLDING IN HIS HANDS.

AGAIN, YOU'LL NOTICE A BAG FULL OF WHITE BAGGIES.

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ISSUING CITATIONS.

PERFORMING ARRESTS.

BUILDING THE OWNERS FOR REQUIRED REPAIRS OR CONDEMNING THE PROBLEMATIC HOUSE.

MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

CONTACT HIM? YES, I'VE TAKEN NOTES.

I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY GET WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND I'LL GET WITH THE POLICE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OVER POLICE TO TO COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS HERE AND SOME WORK.

AND THEN WE'LL WE WILL BE CONTACTING YOU.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER HENSLEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOU.

JUST I'M NOT A COUNCIL MEMBER.

EXCUSE ME, MA'AM, BUT WE WILL MAKE SURE.

YEAH, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GABBY, AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY YOUR LAST NAME WRONG.

MANTC0N. IS THAT RIGHT? I'M A CLOSE. OK.

HOW DO YOU SAY IT, MAN TO MAN THAT GREAT.

IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES.

SURE. MY NAME IS GABY MANSON CON I LIVE AT 907 SAVAGE DRIVE.

I HAVE BEEN LIVING IN DEBT IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.

I'M CURRENTLY A STUDENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS, WHERE I'M SUPPOSED TO BE IN CLASS RIGHT NOW, BUT I THOUGHT THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT ENOUGH ISSUE TO TAKE THAT LITTLE HIT TO MY GRADE TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION.

I LIVE IN NORTH DENTON, WHERE WE ARE QUALIFIED AS A FOOD DESERT.

WE ARE A LOW INCOME AND LOW ACCESS COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE BELOW AVERAGE INCOME COMPARED TO THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS NO GROCERY STORES WITHIN A MILE OF MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS.

OTHER BARRIERS INCLUDE A LACK OF MOBILITY, LIKE PUBLIC TRANSPORTS AND A LACK OF COMPLETE SIDEWALKS.

AND THE STORES THAT DO EXIST ARE IN CONGESTED AREAS.

WE'VE HAD SUCH INCREDIBLE GROWTH IN DENTON BECAUSE OF OUR AGGRESSIVE ECONOMIC POLICIES.

IT MAKES IT A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.

PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE HERE.

THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

I REMEMBER WHEN RAZOR RANCH WAS A BUFFALO FIELD AND MY NEIGHBORHOOD ON STUART AND MAYBE ONE OTHER.

WE'RE PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY THINGS UP IN NORTH DENTON.

TIMES HAVE OBVIOUSLY CHANGED AND WE'RE ADDING A LOT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT TO MY SIDE OF TOWN.

WE'RE POTENTIALLY ADDING UP TO 1000 HOUSING UNITS COMING UP HERE.

THAT'S, I BELIEVE, ON THE SECOND PAGE, WHICH IS ALMOST 5000 PEOPLE.

IF YOU ACCOUNT FOR HOUSEHOLD AVERAGES, WE WANT OUR GROWTH TO BE REFLECTED WITH THE NECESSARY COMMUNITY SUPPORTS BEFORE MORE PEOPLE MOVE IN AND STRESS THIS INFRASTRUCTURE EVEN FURTHER.

THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING PROBLEM EVER SINCE I CAN REMEMBER AND IT WOULD BE GREAT TO CHANGE THAT BEFORE WE GET THOSE ADDITIONAL POPULATIONS.

AND THESE ARE GOING TO BE FAMILIES, YOUNG PROFESSIONALS, AND THEY DESERVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTHY FOOD WHERE IT'S CONVENIENT FOR THEM NOT HAVING TO GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS TOWN.

WE WANT TO KEEP THAT AND GROWING, AND NOW'S A GOOD TIME TO ADDRESS THESE OLDER ISSUES.

I'M HERE TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS.

I'VE INCLUDED A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS IN THE PACKET I PREPARED.

THIS INCLUDES THINGS LIKE A COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD OF CITIZENS IN OUR AREA TO TALK ABOUT FOOD ACCESS, CREATING A WORKING GROUP FULL OF LAND DEVELOPMENT FOLKS, PEOPLE FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WHO ENCOURAGED ME TO COME TALK TO YOU GUYS TODAY.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, ALL THOSE FOLKS WHO CAN REALLY GET US MOVING AND PUT A GREAT RETAILER ON OUR SIDE OF TOWN WHERE WE CAN ACCESS THOSE HEALTHY FOODS. I'D ALSO LIKE TO ASK FOR CONSIDERATION ON A TAX INCENTIVE OR ABATEMENT FOR CURRENT SITES SUCH AS THE ONE ON 288 AND FOUR, 28 OR ON 288 AND STEWART ROAD.

THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE ZONING MAP.

I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO A LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY ZONED, BUT WE HAVE AMAZING PLANNING AND ZONING FOLKS OUT HERE WHO PROBABLY KNOW MUCH BETTER THAN I DO. I LOVE DUTTON, I LOVE LIVING HERE.

I'M EXCITED TO WATCH IT GROW.

BUT WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THAT GROWTH ALIGNS WITH OUR VISION FOR A HEALTHY DENTON LIKE IT SAYS IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR 2040.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. I'M JUST HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE NEIGHBORS THAT I DO HAVE AND THE NEIGHBORS THAT I WILL HAVE IN THE FUTURE.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

YOU HAVE GREAT MAYOR PRO TEM, JUST AS A STATEMENT OF FACT AT THERE IS A RETAIL THAT JUST WAS APPROVED AT LOCUST AT 288 WHERE YOU DISCUSS THAT AFTERWARDS IT SEEMED LIKE BE BIG ENOUGH LOTS TO FULLY HOST A GROCERY STORE, BUT IT WOULD BE BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE LIKE A CONVENIENCE STORE OR A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT.

AND I CAN'T DISCUSS THESE MATTERS, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THEM WITH YOU OFFLINE AFTERWARDS.

THE OTHER TWO POINTS OF FACT THAT I'LL JUST POINT OUT IS THERE WAS THERE'S THERE IS RETAIL COMING IN AT 288 AND SHERMAN AND THERE

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BUT I APOLOGIZE THE RESTRICTIONS YOU HEARD EARLIER PRECLUDE US FROM DISCUSSING THIS.

SO I'LL I'LL ANY OF US CAN TALK WITH YOU OFFLINE AFTERWARDS.

EXCELLENT. I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THERE'S PLANS IN PLACE AND THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON THIS ISSUE.

GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

YES. EVA GRECO.

GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES.

PLEASE CALL 802 WEST OAK STREET DENTON.

LET'S START OUT CONDENSED VERSION HERE.

I'D LIKE TO THANK COUNCILMAN DAVIS AND COUNCILMAN BECK FOR YOUR OPINIONS, NOT VOTES REGARDING THE BELL LAB FIASCO.

IF ANY OF YOU HAVE LOST AN ELECTION BY 50 SOME ODD VOTES, YOU'D BE REALLY ANGRY.

REALLY ANGRY.

BUT YET FIVE OF YOU IGNORED THE PUBLIC'S IGNORED THE MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC'S OPINION.

SO, YEAH, NOW WE ARE ANGRY WITH YOU FIVE.

AND REMEMBER THAT WHEN THE NEXT ELECTIONS COME UP.

WHEN DEBORAH MINTER AND PAUL MELTZER SPOKE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, IT WAS FOR THE APPROXIMATELY 148,000 CITIZENS WITHIN 97.95 SQUARE MILES OF THE CITY OF DENTON OK, AND NOT ONLY FOR APPROXIMATELY 5000 CITIZENS WITHIN 550 FEET.

SO GERARD YOUR MS. CONTACTING OF DEBORAH MINTER AND PAUL MELTZER ARE DULY NOTED FOR THE PUBLIC.

MANY OF US DRIVE MINGORA AND COMPLAIN ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME, BUT I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WOULD FATHOM TO ADD WAY MORE TRAFFIC TO MINGO, WHICH WHEN CONSTRUCTION BEGINS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DETOUR TO.

GOD EVEN DOESN'T KNOW WHERE.

SO GOOD JOB TO THE FIVE OF YOU FOR PUTTING THAT CART BEFORE THE HORSE.

THE STUDY THAT WAS CONDUCTED WAS ABSOLUTELY CONDUCTED DURING COVID.

2020 WAS THE YEAR OF THE PANDEMIC.

AS MUCH AS IT'S BEEN TOLD TO US, IT WASN'T CONDUCTED DURING COVID.

STREETS SUCH AS WITHERS AND OAKLAND IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF TWU, WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS STUDY.

YOU HAVE TO GO TO OAKLAND TO GET TO LOCUST AS BELL DOES NOT CONNECT TO LOCUST.

BUT THEY WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT STUDY.

THE STUDY IS FLAWED AND INACCURATE AND SERVES NOBODY BUT TWU, AND IT'S ACTUALLY BIAS.

CLOSING PORTION OF BELL LAB IS A MANIPULATION BY T.W.

WITH NO REGARD TO THE CITIZENS AS A WHOLE.

T.W. U KNOWS THAT IT NEEDS PART OF THAT GOLF COURSE AND HELD THAT OVER OUR PROVERBIAL HEADS TO MANIPULATE FOR THEIR OWN GOOD.

AND THEY GOT OVER ON THE FIVE OF YOU.

$600,000 BURDEN ON THE CITIZENS FOR T.W.

HUGHES WISHES.

IF T.W.

YOU WAS SO CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY FOR THEIR STUDENTS, THEY COULD HAVE FOLLOWED YOU AND TEAS RESOLUTION FOR THE SAFETY CONCERNS AT THEIR EXPENSE AND NOT OURS.

IN CLOSING, THE PUBLIC WAS DECEIVED BY MAYOR, CERTAIN COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CERTAIN STAFF AS WE WERE DUPED INTO A QUOTE UNQUOTE COMMUNITY MEETING, WHICH WAS ON OCTOBER 18TH RELABELED A PUBLIC HEARING.

AND OPINIONS OF COUNCIL WERE TAKEN AS A VOTE.

SO VICKI BYRD, CHRIS WATTS, GERARD HUDSPETH, BRANDON MCGEE AND ALISON MAGUIRE.

YOU HAVE LOST THE TRUST OF MANY OF THE CITIZENS OF DENTON.

AND SHAME ON YOU.

FIVE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS GLORIA.

AND I THINK IT'S JUST.

YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT WRONG.

GLORIA HAS DOUBTS.

IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING. I'M GLORIA.

HOUSE 913 VINE STREET, JUST A BLOCK SOUTH OF T.W..

I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE BELL AVENUE CLOSURE.

I HAVE BEEN RACKING MY BRAIN TO UNDERSTAND YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS IN CLOSING BELL AVENUE.

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DOES IT BENEFIT THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE? AGAIN, NO.

TWU HAS OFFERED TO ASSIST IN THE WIDENING OF MINGO AND RUDEL, BUT WE ALL KNOW THOSE ARE NOT VIABLE ALTERNATIVES TO BELL AVENUE.

THERE ARE ONLY TWO ROADS THAT TRAVEL UNINTERRUPTED FROM I 35 TO UNIVERSITY.

ONE IS CAROLE AND THE OTHER IS BELL.

AND YOU THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO GIVE ONE OF THOSE AWAY? GIVE ONE OF THOSE AWAY TO SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T EVEN PAY PROPERTY TAX.

WELL, SPEAKING OF WHICH, IF THIS CLOSURE GOES THROUGH, I'LL BE ASKING THE CITY TO LOWER MY PROPERTY TAX VALUE BY AT LEAST 50,000, AS IT IS NO LONGER ACCESSIBLE AND NO LONGER HAS EASY ACCESS TO BASIC NECESSITIES.

AND WHAT ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES FOR POLICE, FIRE AND AMBULANCE? TWU HAS SAID THEY WILL GIVE ACCESS TO EMERGENCY VEHICLES, BUT HOW DOES THAT WORK? IS THERE GOING TO BE SOMEONE STATIONED AT THE BARRICADE 24 SEVEN TO LET THEM PASS? I DOUBT IT.

DOES IT BENEFIT THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN DENTON? NO, EXCEPT FOR THE 15,000 STUDENTS WHO ATTEND GW.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE 150,000 RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE? AGAIN, GREATLY DIMINISHED, MR. MAYOR. YOU RAN ON A PRO GROWTH AGENDA.

HOW IS THIS PRO GROWTH TO LIMIT ACCESS TO MAJOR ROADS IS ANTI-GROWTH.

YOU SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING GROWTH ON EAST UNIVERSITY, NOT LIMITING ACCESS TO IT.

LET'S IMAGINE FOR A MINUTE THAT TWU DOES NOT EXIST.

HOW MUCH OFFICE AND RETAIL SPACE COULD OCCUPY THAT PIECE OF LAND? EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES WOULD AT LEAST QUADRUPLE.

AND THOSE EMPLOYERS WOULD ACTUALLY PAY PROPERTY TAX.

DIDN'T USED TO BE A SMALL TOWN AND IT HAD A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP WITH ITS UNIVERSITIES.

BUT NOW WE ARE A BIG CITY AND THAT RELATIONSHIP HAS BECOME PARASITIC.

IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS COUNCIL PERSONS TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITY, NOT THE UNIVERSITIES.

DO YOU WANT US TO BECOME LIKE AUSTIN? HAVE YOU SEEN THE AWFUL TRAFFIC IN AUSTIN DUE TO THEIR LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE? I CONDUCTED AN IMPROMPTU POLL AND 95% OF THOSE I ASKED THOUGHT THIS WAS A HORRIBLE IDEA.

95%. WHEN IS THE LAST TIME THAT THAT MANY PEOPLE AGREED ON ANYTHING? AGAIN, I REMIND YOU TO PLEASE BE RESPONSIBLE COUNSEL PERSONS.

ALL WE'RE ASKING IS THAT YOU DO YOUR JOB FOR THE CITY.

AND REMEMBER, BELLE AVENUE IS NOT YOURS TO GIVE AWAY.

IT BELONGS TO THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY OF DENTON.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

KRISTEN BRAY.

YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES.

IS THIS MIKE WORKING GOOD? YES. THANK YOU.

CHRISTINE BRAY 1204 CORDELL, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ALL HAVE EVER WALKED OR BIKED DOWN MCKINNEY, BUT I SEE PEOPLE DO IT REGULARLY.

I ATTEMPTED IT ONCE AND THEN SAID, NEVER AGAIN.

I THINK I'LL DIE IF I DO THAT AGAIN.

BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO REGULARLY WALK BIKE, AND I'VE EVEN SEEN PEOPLE USE POWER CHAIRS TO GET DOWN THE SIDE OF MCKINNEY.

MOST OF MCKINNEY DOES NOT HAVE SIDEWALK.

THE PORTIONS THAT DO HAVE SIDEWALK, IT'S BROKEN AND IT'LL JUMP FROM ONE SIDE OF THE STREET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.

AND I KNOW THAT THE CITY HAS PLANS WITH COG TO UPGRADE THE STREET AND EVENTUALLY INSTALL PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES.

BUT I THINK FOR THE MEANTIME, A POSSIBLE CHEAP, EASY FIX TO JUST PROVIDE SOME INCREASED LEVEL OF SAFETY FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO REALLY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO WALK OR BIKE DOWN.

MCKINNEY BECAUSE IT IS THE PRIMARY EAST WEST CORRIDOR WITHIN THAT SECTION OF THE CITY.

IF YOU GO NORTH, YOU REALLY HAVE TO GO DOWN 380.

AND IF YOU GO DOWN SOUTH, THERE'S NOT INCREDIBLY EASY ACCESS IN A STRAIGHT SHOT.

AND SO GIVEN THAT THAT IS A PRIMARY CORRIDOR THAT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET EAST WEST IN THAT AREA HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO USE.

REALLY, I THINK THE CITY SHOULD LOOK AT SOMETHING QUICK AND EASY TO PROVIDE SOME INCREASED LEVEL OF SAFETY.

SPECIFICALLY, I THINK WE COULD JUST DROP CONES ALONG THE SIDE OF THE STREET.

WE DROP CONES ON STREETS ALL THE TIME FOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.

WE PRESUMABLY HAVE A LOT OF THEM.

I SEE THEM AROUND CONSTANTLY AND WE COULD JUST LINE THE SIDE OF THE STREETS WHERE THE CAR LANE ENDS AND THEN SEPARATE THAT FROM WHERE THE PEOPLE WALK AND BIKE.

IT'S NOT EXACTLY WIDE ENOUGH AT ALL POINTS, BUT THERE ARE MANY POINTS WHERE THAT COULD PROVIDE AN INCREASED LEVEL OF SAFETY AND VISIBILITY FOR PEOPLE WHO DO WALK AND BIKE DOWN.

MCKINNEY I ASSUME THAT PERHAPS IT IS THE POSITION OF THE CITY THAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT MANY PEOPLE DO AND WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING SAFETY FOR THEM. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. LAST SPEAKER IS EMILY WARWICK, IS THAT RIGHT?

[03:05:01]

YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES.

HELLO, MY NAME IS EMILY WARWICK.

I LIVE AT 520 TEXAS STREET DENTON.

I'M SPEAKING ALSO ON BEHALF OF MY HUSBAND, WHO'S UNABLE TO APPEAR TONIGHT.

WE COME TO YOU AS RESIDENTS OF DENTON SINCE 1993 AND HOMEOWNERS AT 5 TO 0 TEXAS STREET SINCE 1997.

IN THAT TIME, WE HAVE SEEN THE WONDERFUL EXPANSION OF THE GW CAMPUS.

HOWEVER, WE DO NOT AGREE WITH THE PLANS TO CONVERT BELL STREET INTO A PEDESTRIAN ONLY AVENUE.

WE THINK THAT THIS IS UNNECESSARY AND WILL CAUSE FURTHER DAMAGE TO OUR CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOVEMENT OF ITS CITIZENS.

POINT ONE THE CITY SPENT OVER TWO YEARS REPAVING BELL STREET AT TAXPAYERS EXPENSE.

WILL THAT MONEY BE REIMBURSED TO THE PUBLIC IF THIS DECISION GOES THROUGH? POINT TWO WITH THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE 20 MILES PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT.

THERE HAVE BEEN NO RELATED STUDENT ACCIDENTS WITH AUTOMOBILES ON CAMPUS.

IN OUR TIME LIVING NEAR AND GOING THROUGH THE CAMPUS.

DRIVERS HAVE ONLY SHOWN RESPECT AND DEFERENCE TO STUDENTS THAT ARE CROSSING.

THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL FATALITIES FURTHER SOUTH OCCURRING AT THE BELL AND MINGO JUNCTION ACROSS FROM THE SENIOR CENTER, WHICH OCCURRED AFTER THE CITY REMOVED THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS AT BELL AND WITHERS.

SO THE AREA THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY IS A LOT SAFER THAN THE AREA FURTHER DOWN.

AND MY 20 MILES PER HOUR SPEED.

I'M SORRY. IT MUST HAVE BEEN SOMETHING FEEDING BACK INTO THE SYSTEM.

SORRY. GO AHEAD.

OK. IT WENT AWAY.

OK 0.3.

NONE OF THE SUPPORTING ROADS AROUND BELLE AND T.W.

ARE CURRENTLY CAPABLE OF HANDLING CONSISTENT INCREASED LEVEL OF TRAFFIC.

IT WAS HARD ENOUGH TO NAVIGATE THE POTHOLES ON OAKLAND AND AUSTIN STREET OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS TO MAKE IT A PERMANENT CONDITION WITHOUT PRIOR ASSESSMENT OF THIS ISSUE WILL AFFECT THOUSANDS OF COMMUTERS.

AND CONSIDERING THE VARIOUS STOPS AND RIGHT AWAY RULES THAT VARY FROM STREET TO STREET, AS WELL AS A LACK OF TRAFFIC LIGHTS ON MAJOR AREAS LIKE MINGO AND RIDDELL WOULD INJURE, ENDANGER BOTH DRIVERS AND PEDESTRIANS ALIKE.

POINT FOUR CLOSURE OF BELL WILL HAVE MASSIVE RAMIFICATIONS ON PUBLIC EVENTS SUCH AS THE ARTS AND JAZZ FESTIVAL AND OTHER CELEBRATIONS AT THE QUAKER TOWN PARK.

REGARDING PARKING AND ACCESS.

A MORE LOGICAL AND CHEAPER SOLUTION WOULD BE THE INSTALLATION OF TRAFFIC BUMPS AND A HIGHER PRESENCE OF TWU LAW ENFORCEMENT TO DETER SUCH INCIDENTS.

I HAVE NOT SEEN THE PRESENCE I'VE DRIVE UP AND DOWN BELL STREET MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY, AND IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE I'VE SEEN A TDSB POLICE OFFICER PULL ANYONE OVER.

THE POLICE PRESENCE IS JUST NOT THERE.

AND BELL STREET IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, THOROUGHFARE IN DENTON, AND TO CHOKE IT OFF WILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE COMMUNITY AND BUSINESSES AROUND IT, AND NOT JUST TO THOSE OF US WHO LIVE NEARBY.

THERE ARE EASIER SOLUTIONS THAN WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. I DO WANT TO MAKE JUST ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

YOU CAN'T DISCUSS IT BECAUSE IT WASN'T POSTED.

BUT ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE STREET, THE SURFACE, THE FOCUS THERE WAS THE INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH SERVES THE ENTIRE REGION.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT THE STREET BACK.

SO THAT'S IT'S NOT A STREET REPAIR.

WE AS A COUNCIL DECIDED THAT WE WOULD FOCUS ON INFRASTRUCTURE.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT AREA IS CRITICAL.

WE HAD A LADY THAT OWNS A BEAUTY SALON OVER ON LOCUST ELM AREA.

IT ALL CONNECTS AND SO WE HAVE TO FIX THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE'RE MOVING TO DO THAT IN THAT AREA.

SO IT'S AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT A NEW STREET BACK.

YOU CAN'T PUT THE OLD STREET BACK.

SO IT'S NOT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT A FOCUS ON A STREET TOPPING.

IT'S A FOCUS ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SERVES THAT ENTIRE REGION.

JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. NO, WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT AS THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS BEING PUT IN PLACE, THE LOSS OF OF AVAILABILITY OF BEL IS JUST GOING TO GET WORSE AND WORSE.

I UNDERSTAND. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WE DID NOT REPLACE A STREET JUST BECAUSE.

THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT'S OUR LAST SPEAKER THAT TAKES US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

MAYOR PRO TEM. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN DAVIS SECOND.

THE MOTION IS MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING LONDON'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

THEN THAT PASSES 7 TO 0, TAKES US TO OUR INDIVIDUAL ITEMS PER CONSENT, OF WHICH THERE ARE THREE.

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a Professional Services Agreement with Kimley-Horn and Associates, Inc., for the design services of Neighborhoods 2 and 6 for the Capital Projects/Engineering Department as set forth in the contract; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFQ 7599-010 - Professional Services Agreement for design services awarded to Kimley-Horn and Associates, Inc., in the not-to-exceed amount of $5,726,000.00). The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (6 - 0).]

[03:10:03]

SO YOU JUST NEED TO FILL OUT A BLUE CARD BEFORE IT'S CALLED.

WE'LL GIVE A LITTLE GRACE FOR A BECAUSE I'M CALLING IT NOW, BUT THAT IS ITEM A IS ID 22219 TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS. A HOME DENTON A TEXAS HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES INC FOR DESIGN SERVICES OF NEIGHBORHOODS TWO AND SIX FOR CITY CAPITAL PROJECTS ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS SETH GARCIA.

I'M A PROGRAM MANAGER WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND TONIGHT I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION FOR YOU FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TWO AND SIX STREET RECONSTRUCTION BOND FOR THE DESIGN CONTRACT, AND THEN ITEM B WILL BE COVERING THE SMART CONTRACT.

SO FOR A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT, NEIGHBORHOOD TWO AND SIX IS OUR LARGEST PROJECT ASSOCIATED WITH THE 2019 STREET RECONSTRUCTION BOND PROGRAM.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE LIMITS ARE BOUND ON THE WEST, KIND OF BY BONNIE BRAE TO THE NORTH, US 380 OR UNIVERSITY DRIVE TO THE EAST.

WE STRETCH AS FAR AS BOLIVAR AND TO THE SOUTH.

THAT WOULD BE 35 E THERE ON THE SOUTHERN LIMITS.

SO IN TOTAL, THIS IS 118 ROADWAY SEGMENTS THAT WERE PROPOSING TO DO WITH THIS SEYMOUR PROJECT ROUGHLY THAT BREAKS OUT TO ABOUT 56,000 LINEAR FEET OF ROADWAY. AND THEN ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, WE HAVE ABOUT 30,000 FEET OF WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL.

THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'LL BE DOING A SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY ASSESSMENT.

SO THAT'S LOOKING AT PARALLEL SIDEWALKS, ADDRESSING NON-COMPLIANT ADA RAMPS, GAPS IN SIDEWALKS THAT WE FEEL NEED TO BE PUT INTO PLACE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS AREA DOES IMPACT UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS.

SO WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF SIDEWALK SEGMENTS THAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO BE GOING IN THOSE AREAS.

AND WE'LL ALSO BE CONDUCTING A STREET LIGHTING OR A PHOTOMETRIC STUDY.

SO THAT'S LOOKING AT THE EXISTING LIGHTING CONDITIONS AND THEN SEEING HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THOSE LIGHTING CONDITIONS WITH THIS PROJECT.

AND I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THERE AT THE BOTTOM THAT THIS IS OUR SECOND CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK PROJECT.

SO QUICKLY FOR A DESIGN SUMMARY, WE DID BREAK THIS DESIGN CONTRACT INTO TWO SEPARATE BUCKETS.

THE FIRST IS THE LUMP SUM PORTION.

SO THAT PORTION COVERS ITEMS SUCH AS PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DESIGN FOR THE ROADWAYS AND THE UTILITIES.

IT'S OUR TOPO SURVEY, ALL OUR DATA COLLECTION, OUR GEOTECH ANALYSIS AND THEN THAT PHOTOMETRIC STUDY AS WELL.

THE HOURLY ADDITIONAL SERVICES COVER ITEMS SUCH AS PROJECT MANAGEMENT, COORDINATION MEETINGS, PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, OUR LEVEL A, LEVEL B, CEU, THE ACTUAL ILLUMINATION DESIGN THAT WILL BE DETERMINED BASED OFF OF THAT PHOTOMETRIC STUDY AND THEN EVERYTHING THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE OF THE PROJECT.

SO OUR RECORD DRAWINGS, ANY KIND OF REIMBURSABLE EXPENSES THAT THEY MAY HAVE FOR EFFORT THEY PUT IN.

SO IN TOTAL WITH THOSE TWO BUCKETS KIND OF COMBINED, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A CONTRACT JUST NORTH OF 5.7 MILLION.

SO QUICKLY FOR THE PROJECT SCHEDULE.

WITH Y'ALL'S APPROVAL TONIGHT OF BOTH CONTRACTS, WE DO ANTICIPATE THE FIRST CONSTRUCTION PROJECT GMP, SOMEWHERE NEAR QUARTER ONE OF 2024.

LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THIS IS OUR BIGGEST PACKAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM.

SO WE DO ANTICIPATE THIS WILL LAST ABOUT FOUR YEARS, THREE YEARS OF THAT BEING IN CONSTRUCTION.

SO WE ARE HOPING THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION PACKAGES WILL BE FINISHED BY Q4 OF 2026.

SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE WITH THE CITY OF DENTON AND KIMLEY-HORN ASSOCIATES FOR JUST OVER 5.7 MILLION.

AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

THANK YOU. AT WHAT POINT DOES THE PUBLIC START SEEING THINGS LIKE PHASING CONSTRUCTIONS, CLOSURE SCHEDULES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF? AND WHERE SHOULD THEY BE WATCHING FOR THAT INFORMATION? YES. SO WITH THIS PACKAGE BEING SO LARGE, WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE BROKEN INTO MULTIPLE SMALLER PACKAGES.

WITH APPROVAL TONIGHT, WE WILL START HOLDING THOSE KICKOFF MEETINGS WITH THE DESIGN ENGINEER AND THE SEEMA TO TALK ABOUT OUR OVERALL COLLABORATION AND HOW WE WANT TO BREAK DOWN THIS PROJECT.

ONCE WE IDENTIFY THE PRELIMINARY PACKAGES AND SCHEDULE SEQUENCING, WE WILL START MEETING WITH THE THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT COMMUNITY WITH THOSE FIRST IMPACTED STREETS. SO LIKE I SAID, IT'S GOING TO BE AROUND A THREE YEAR CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE.

WE'LL BE POSTING ALL OF THAT INFORMATION TO DISCUSS DENTON.

WE'LL HAVE MULTIPLE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND MULTIPLE TOUCHPOINTS FLIERS, VIDEOS THAT WILL GO OUT AND DISCUSS DENTON TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY INFORMED AND INVOLVED.

I WOULD ANTICIPATE WE'LL DO VIRTUAL AND IN-PERSON PUBLIC MEETINGS.

SO AS WE PHASE THIS PROJECT, THE IMPACTED RESIDENTS WILL GET NOTIFICATION OF WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE IS HAPPENING.

[03:15:02]

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SETH, WE HAVE ANOTHER NUMBER OF PROGRAMS IN IN ACROSS DENTON, INCLUDING, LIKE, WE'VE GOT SOME NEW WATER AND WASTEWATER COMING THROUGH THE AREA. AND IN ADDITION, WE HAVE THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROGRAM, AND NONE OF THOSE ARE THIS PROJECT.

BUT I WAS CURIOUS, HOW ARE WE INTEGRATING ALL THESE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT OSTENSIBLY INVOLVED THE SAME STREET SEGMENTS AS WE GO FORWARD? YEAH. SO WE TAKE THE INFORMATION FROM THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM AND THEN WE INVOLVE ALL OUR STAKEHOLDER DEPARTMENTS.

SO PRIOR TO ACTUALLY INITIATING THIS PROJECT, WE MEET WITH UTILITIES AND WE LOOK AT THEIR UTILITY UTILITY CONDITION INDEX AND WE VERIFY THE SCOPE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CATCHING ANY WATER OR WASTEWATER IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.

THEN WE WORK WITH KIMLEY-HORN, THE PROPOSED DESIGN ENGINEER, TO LOOK AT ITEMS SUCH AS THE ADA PLAN AND MAKING SURE WE'RE ADDRESSING EVERYTHING AS HOLISTICALLY AS POSSIBLE.

SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH MULTIPLE TOUCHPOINTS TO MAKE SURE THAT REALLY WHEN WE'RE COMING IN, IT'S THAT HOLISTIC OVERVIEW.

WE'RE GETTING EVERYTHING EITHER IN THE GROUND, WE'RE WORKING WITH FRANCHISE UTILITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ADDRESSING CONCERNS PRIOR TO OUR PROJECT OR IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PROJECT.

SO THERE ARE QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT WE GO THROUGH AN ASSESSMENT FOR TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MAKING THE MOST COMPLETE PROJECT WITHOUT OVERGROWING THE SCOPE TOO MUCH TO WHERE WE WOULD NEVER GET ANYTHING BUILT.

RIGHT. AND IF I MIGHT FOLLOW UP THE THE PARTICULAR LET'S JUST USE LIKE THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROGRAM AS AN EXAMPLE, THERE'S A LOT OF STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT AS YOU TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE WAY PARENTS AND CHILDREN ARE ARE GETTING TO AND FROM SCHOOL AND YOU'RE INTERACTING WITH THE KIDS, CAN YOU MAYBE BRIEFLY SAY HOW THAT INPUT TO THOSE PROJECTS GET INCORPORATED IN THIS BOND PACKAGE? YEAH. SO THOSE THOSE INDIVIDUALS SAY FOR OF SCHOOL PROJECTS KIND OF RUN DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE'S DIFFERENT TEXT REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCES.

SO DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD EXTEND THE TIMELINE OF ACTUAL ROADWAY AND UTILITY RECONSTRUCTION.

SO WE TRY AND KEEP THOSE WITH FEDERAL FUNDING SEPARATED FROM THE BOND PROJECTS IF IT DOESN'T IMPACT TOO LONG.

JUST SO WE'RE NOT HOLDING UP THE BOND ISSUANCES OR WE'RE ISSUING THAT MONEY AND THEN NOT ABLE TO SPEND IT WAITING ON A THIRD PARTY OR TEXT TO GIVE US ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE.

SO THOSE WOULDN'T BE A PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS.

IT WOULD BE MORE SO THE THINGS WE HAVE CONTROL OF, WHICH IS THOSE ADA PLANS.

SO WHEN WE'RE COMING IN, WE'RE ADDRESSING THOSE RAMPS THAT ARE DEFICIENT, THE SIDEWALK GAPS.

SO IF WE SEE GAPS ASSOCIATED THAT MAY NOT BE IN A SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL BECAUSE IT'S NOT WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THE SCHOOL, BUT IT MAKES SENSE THAT THAT SIDEWALK NEEDS TO BE THERE. THOSE ARE THE KIND OF ASSESSMENTS WE'RE MAKING TO INCLUDE IN THESE BOND PROGRAMS. ALL RIGHT. THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, THEN I'LL JUST SAY THIS WITH RESPECT TO SEEMA, HAVE WE TAKEN STEPS? ARE WE GOING TO TAKE STEPS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN A BETTER POSITION TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE? ARE WE ADJUSTING? YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, FORCE MAJEURE, PRICE OVERRUNS? I UNDERSTAND IT'S SUPPOSED TO CAPTURE THOSE, BUT IT COULD GET LOOKING THAT FAR OUT.

IT COULD GET REALLY WE HAVEN'T ONLY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE WE'VE UNDERSTANDING OUR MORE RECENT EXPERIENCE WITH THAT AND FORCE MAJEURE ISSUES AND THAT SORT OF THING.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE LANGUAGE AND WE'VE BOLSTERED THAT OR DONE WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SAY, HERE'S THE NUMBER, IT IS THE NUMBER UNLESS SOMETHING UNLESS WE HAVE CHANGES.

DO WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON ON SOUTHEASTERN PACKAGE BE OUR FIRST SEEMA TO WHERE WE UTILIZED OUR LEGAL TEAM.

MARCELLA WAS FANTASTIC IN HELPING US TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS.

SO OUR CONTRACT DOES STATE WHEN WE GET TO THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE THAT WE CAN GRANT FOR FORCE MAJEURE AN EXTENSION OF TIME, BUT THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TO AN A PRICE EXTENSION. NOW, OF COURSE, WE CAN ALWAYS BE A GOOD PARTNER AND LISTEN TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS, BUT IT IS NOT A GUARANTEE WITHIN THE CONTRACT AND GOING FORWARD, THAT IS THE KIND OF STANDARD LANGUAGE THAT THAT IS BUILT WITHIN OUR CONTRACTS.

MAN, THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S GOOD WORK.

YEAH. AND SO FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG, IT'S JUST SO CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK MEANS WE GET A FIXED NUMBER THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO COME IN UNDER AND WE'RE JUST KIND OF TALKING ABOUT HOW WE STRENGTHEN OUR POSITION BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES THERE.

WE UNDERSTAND COSTS GO UP AND WE WANT TO BE IN A GOOD POSITION TO DELIVER ON THE PRICE.

YEAH. GOT MAYOR PRO TEM.

[03:20:03]

OH, RIGHT. CARRYING.

OH, I MOVE APPROVAL.

IS THERE A SECOND, COUNCILMAN DAVIS? OH, SECOND. SO, MAYOR.

MOVED. COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

SECONDED. AND THEN ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASS A70 TAKE.

THANK YOU. TAKE SIDE B.

[B. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a Construction Manager at Risk contract with Sundt Construction, Inc., for pre-construction services of Neighborhood 2 & 6 Improvements for the Capital Projects Department; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFP 8055 - awarded to Sundt Construction, Inc., in the not-to-exceed amount of $452,147.00). The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (6 - 0).]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, A TEXAS HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK CONTRACT WITH SON CONSTRUCTION.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES, SIR. OKAY, GREAT.

ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SETH GARCIA, PROGRAM MANAGER WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS.

SO THIS IS THE SECOND PORTION TO THIS PROJECT FOR NEIGHBORHOOD TWO AND SIX.

THIS WILL BE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK PORTION, THE DESIGN PHASE CONTRACT.

SO ONCE AGAIN, BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.

NEIGHBORHOOD TWO AND SIX IS OUR BIGGEST PROJECT WITHIN THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM, STREET RECONSTRUCTION, ROUGHLY 118 ROADWAY SEGMENTS THAT BREAKS OUT TO 56,000 LINEAR FEET OF ROADWAY, ROUGHLY 30,000 FEET OF WATER AND WASTEWATER MAIN REPLACEMENT.

THAT SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY ASSESSMENT WE JUST DISCUSSED EARLIER AND A STREET LIGHTING PHOTOMETRIC STUDY AND LIGHTING INSTALL.

AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS OUR SECOND CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT WHICH PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS PROGRAM.

SO FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK PROCESS, WE DID CHOOSE TO DO THE ONE STEP SELECTION PROCESS.

SO WE WENT OUT FOR A REQUEST FOR A PROPOSAL FOR A SCHEME AT RISK.

WE DID RECEIVE THREE SUBMISSIONS.

OUR EVALUATION TEAM WENT THROUGH THOSE SUBMISSIONS AND WE RANK THEM BASED OFF OF THOSE RANKINGS.

WE BROUGHT IN THE TOP TWO FIRMS. THE SECOND PART OF THAT PROCESS WAS WE PULLED OUR EVALUATION TEAM IN AND HAD THOSE TWO FIRMS WALK THROUGH THEIR TECHNICAL PROPOSALS.

WITH THAT INFORMATION.

WE ALSO ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE THE QUALIFICATIONS AND THEIR PROPOSED TEAM THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

THE EVALUATION TEAM DID DETERMINE THAT SUNK CONSTRUCTION HAD THE BEST KNOWLEDGE, EXPERIENCE AND AVAILABILITY TO COMPLETE THESE DESIGN PHASE SERVICES FOR NEIGHBORHOODS TWO AND SIX. SO BRIEFLY FOR THIS CONTRACT.

IT IS A LUMP SUM CONTRACT.

THE TOTAL IS JUST OVER 450,000.

THE SUMMARY OF ITEMS OR WORK THAT THE TEAM AT RISK WILL BE DOING IS ONGOING COST MODELING THROUGH THE PROJECT.

SO WE'LL ACTUALLY GET SUBMITTALS AT OUR MAJOR MILESTONES 30, 60, 90%, FOLLOWED BY THE FINAL GMP.

BUT THEY DO TRACK COST MODELING THROUGH THE ENTIRE LIFE OF THE DESIGN.

SO AS WE'RE MAKING CHANGES, WE'RE SEEING THE IMPACT OF THOSE CHANGES IN THE DESIGN AND WHAT IT'S DOING TO THAT BOTTOM LINE NUMBER.

THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR CONSTRUCT ABILITY REVIEW.

THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR CONSTRUCTION, PHASING AND SCHEDULING WITH THE OVERALL PROJECT TEAM.

THEY BRING ON VALUE ENGINEERING IDEAS.

SO ONE NEAT THING WE DID IN SOUTHEAST IN PACKAGE B TO SAVE COSTS WAS LOOK AT A DIFFERENT SUB GRADE SECTION THAT WOULD STILL MEET THE LIFE OF THE ROADWAY WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

SO THAT IS A GREAT ASSET TO THESE PROJECTS TO HELP KEEP COSTS DOWN AS THOSE DIFFERENT VALUE ENGINEERING IDEAS.

AND THEN OF COURSE, SEEMA IS BUILT ON PROJECT COORDINATION AND COLLABORATION.

SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF EFFORT BUILT IN FOR THE TEAM TO MEET AND TALK THROUGH THE BEST AND MOST EFFICIENT SEQUENCING OF THIS PROJECT.

SO IN TOTAL, ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE JUST OVER 450,000 FOR THE DESIGN PHASE SERVICES FOR THOSE 118 ROADWAY SEGMENTS.

SO THE PROJECT SCHEDULE, WITH Y'ALL'S APPROVAL TONIGHT, WE ARE ANTICIPATING THE FIRST CONSTRUCTION PACKAGE, GMP, SOMEWHERE NEAR QUARTER ONE OF 2024 AND MOVING INTO CONSTRUCTION AND THEN OVERALL CONSTRUCTION LASTING UNTIL QUARTER FOUR OF 2026.

SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE FOR THE CONTRACT BETWEEN CITY OF DENTON AND SUNT FOR $452,147.

GREAT. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SETH, THIS IS AN EDUCATION QUESTION FOR THE PUBLIC AT LARGE AND MYSELF TO SOME DEGREE.

AND WHY DOES THE CITY BREAK THESE CONTIGUOUS SEGMENTS UP ACROSS DIFFERENT FUNDING APPROVALS AND DIFFERENT ENGINEERING FIRMS? WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE TO THE CITY TO DO IT THIS WAY? SO REALLY, WE DON'T WANT TO OVERLOAD ONE CONTRACTOR OR ONE DESIGN ENGINEER WITH TOO MUCH AT ONE TIME.

SO THIS THIS 118 ROADWAY SEGMENTS WILL ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 12 TO 15 DIFFERENT ENGINEERS AND DESIGN PROFESSIONALS WITH KIMLEY-HORN WORKING WITH A TEAM OF ABOUT 6 TO 8 FROM SUNT WITH MYSELF AND TWO OTHER CITY OF DENTON PROJECT MANAGERS ON ONE PROJECT.

SO WE BREAK IT INTO SMALLER CHUNKS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE DOWN MULTIPLE AREAS AT THE SAME TIME.

THIS ISN'T THE ONLY 2019 BOND PROGRAM OR PROJECT THAT WE HAVE GOING ON AT THIS TIME.

[03:25:03]

SO THIS WILL MAKE A SIXTH.

SO THAT SPREAD OVER MULTIPLE ENGINEERS, MULTIPLE CONTRACTORS.

WE REALLY WANT TO NOT OVERLOAD THE MARKET WITH A WHOLE LOT OF WORK, BUT SPREAD THAT WORK AROUND AS WELL TO OUR DIFFERENT ENGINEERING FIRMS AND AND CONTRACTORS. SO DOES THAT KIND OF THAT'S WHAT I WANTED YOU TO THINK YOU SAID.

I APPRECIATE IT. ABSOLUTELY, COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WASN'T GOING TO ASK, BUT I SAW SUNSET CENTER ON YOUR YOUR TIDAL SLIDE THERE.

SUNSET AT 380.

WE'RE PAYING ENGINEERS TO DO ALL THIS DESIGN WORK AND STUFF.

DO WE GET ANY SAY INTO HOW SUNSET IN 380 COME TOGETHER OR ARE WE STUCK WITH THAT? WHERE I BUMPED MY TIRE PRETTY MUCH EVERY TIME.

SO UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE PLACES WE EVALUATE.

MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT'S PROBABLY WITHIN THE TEXT RIGHT AWAY.

SO WE'LL COME UP TO THE LIMITS OF THE TECH STOCK RIGHT AWAY.

I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A WATER LINE THAT EXTENDS PAST THE SUSHI PLACE RIGHT THERE THAT WILL GET INTO TECH STOCK RIGHT AWAY.

SO WE'LL HAVE TO RECEIVE A A UI OR A TEXT UTILITY PERMIT TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.

BUT TYPICALLY ON THE ROADWAY STUFF, WE'RE COMING UP TO TECH START RIGHT AWAY AND STOPPING.

BUT IF ONE OF OUR BRILLIANT ENGINEERS THAT WERE PAYING HANDSOMELY HAPPEN TO HAVE A GOOD IDEA ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT DO THAT TURN JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, MAYBE IT'D BE A GOOD TIME TO BRING IT UP.

ABSOLUTELY. WE WILL FOR SURE ASSESS THAT.

OF COURSE, SOME OF THE OTHER CONSTRAINTS ARE FUNDING WITH THAT SORT OF STUFF.

SO WE DEFINITELY WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN IDENTIFY OTHER FUNDING STREAMS IF IF THAT IS PLAUSIBLE WITH THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU. AND FOR THOSE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE A BIT THAT ARE TRACKING ALONG, SO THAT'S UP THE STREET FROM THE OLD PAYLESS VIDEO STORE AND THE SUSHI PLACE WAS THE FORMER TACO BELL.

SO THERE YOU GO. SO JUST BRINGING US FLOW BABIES ALONG FOR THE CONVERSATION.

EXCELLENT, OK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING NONE.

I DO HAVE ONE SUGGESTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL APPLY.

I ASSUME IT DOES WHEN WE MOVE THE GAS LINES.

AND THIS IS JUST FROM MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE HILL ALLEY CONSTRUCTION.

SO THEY MOVE THE ATMOS MOVES THE GAS LINE.

YES, SIR. AND THEN THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT THE GRASS BACK.

YES, SIR. RIGHT. THEN THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY CAME AND TORE THE GRASS OUT.

SO. SO WE MAY SYNC UP THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST SAVE THEM THAT EXPENSE OR KIND OF COMMUNICATE WITH THE HOMEOWNER.

HEY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THIS GRASS BACK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN THESE DIFFERENT SEGMENTS.

SO JUST WHATEVER THAT IS, I THINK THERE'S THERE'S JUST A BETTER HANDOFF THERE.

AND WE CAN SAVE THEM A LITTLE A LITTLE MONEY ON GRASS.

ABSOLUTELY. YEAH.

OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR WATTS MOVED FOR APPROVAL.

COUNCILOR DAVIES, SECOND MOST MORE COUNCILMAN WALKED SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

I. AND IT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. TEXAS ITEMS.

[C. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with Mountain Cascade of Texas, LLC, for the construction of the I-35E-Mayhill Utility Relocations Project for the Water/Wastewater Utilities and Capital Projects/Engineering Department; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFQ 7968-001 - awarded to Mountain Cascade of Texas, LLC, in the not-to-exceed amount of $15,008,997.15). The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (6 - 0).]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, A TEXAS HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH MOUNTAIN CASCADE CASCADE OF TEXAS LLC FOR CONSTRUCTION OF 35 MAYHILL UTILITY RECLAMATION RELOCATION.

PARDON ME. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THIS IS THE LAST ITEM OF THE EVENING AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET YOU OUT HERE PRETTY QUICK.

I'M ROBIN DAVIS. I'M A PROJECT MANAGER WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS.

AND AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE NEEDING TO RELOCATE OUR UTILITIES OUT OF THE WAY OF TEXAS UPCOMING I 35 WIDENING PROJECT.

SO IN IN AN ATTEMPT TO MEET THAT ANTICIPATED SCHEDULE FOR THEM, WE ALSO DID A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS TO PRE-QUALIFY THREE BIDDERS AND WE DID THAT ON JUNE 7TH OF 2022.

INVITATIONS FOR BIDS WERE SENT TO THOSE THREE PRE-QUALIFIED FIRMS AND THE BIDS RECEIVED ARE SHOWN BELOW RIGHT HERE.

AND MOUNTAIN CASCADE WAS THE LOW BIDDER.

SO THE PROJECT SCHEDULE AND CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE FOR THIS WILL WITH TONIGHT'S APPROVAL, WE WILL BE ABLE TO ISSUE A PARTIAL NOTICE TO PROCEED, AND THAT WILL ALLOW THE CONTRACTOR TO BEGIN ORDERING MATERIALS FOR THIS PROJECT.

THIS PROJECT IS A REIMBURSABLE PROJECT BY TECHSHOP.

SO ONCE WE HAVE A FULL EXECUTED STANDARD UTILITY AGREEMENT WITH TEXAS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ISSUE A FULL NOTICE TO PROCEED FOR THEM TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION.

AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT TO HAPPEN IN JANUARY.

SO MARIN CASCADES BEAT AMOUNT WAS 14 MILLION TO 9 FOR 283.

AND WITH THE 5% CONTINGENCY THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, THE ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COST IS JUST OVER 15 MILLION.

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THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING? NONE. MAYOR PRO TEM I MOVE APPROVAL.

COUNCILOR WATTS MOTIONED BY THE MAYOR.

PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN.

WHAT'S ANY DISCUSSION? SEE THIS PHOTO ON THE SCREEN? THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

TAKES US TO CONCLUDING ITEMS.

[6. CONCLUDING ITEMS]

NO. YEAH.

OK. OK.

COUNCILMAN. MCGEE. AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT FOR THE PUBLIC SOMETHING VERY PROUD TO TO A PARTNER WITH THE CITY.

I WANT TO THANK CHIEF DIXON FOR MOVING ON THIS THIS COMING SATURDAY.

A CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFT PREVENTION PREVENTION EVENT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE AT TOYOTA.

REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

I HAD HEARD FROM SOME RESIDENTS.

WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH CATALYTIC CONVERTERS BEING STOLEN.

AND EVERY WORKING PERSON KNOWS THE LAST THING YOU WANT IS TO HAVE YOUR CATALYTIC CONVERTER STOLEN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CHEAP.

AND IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET A CATALYTIC CONVERTER IN.

TALK TO ANYBODY AT A BODY SHOP OR A DEALERSHIP.

SO JUST WANT TO LIFT THIS EVENT UP GOING ON FROM 10 TO 4 AT TOYOTA.

ANYONE WHO LOOKS AT THE FRIDAY REPORT CAN SEE THERE'S A FLIER THERE AND THE QR CODE.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A SOCIAL MEDIA POST.

I ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO BLAST US OUT.

LET'S HAVE AS MANY MEMBERS AS POSSIBLE SHOW UP.

IT'S COMPLETELY FREE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME FOOD THERE.

SO THIS IS A GREAT EVENT. SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO COME ON OUT.

THIS IS SOMETHING GOOD THAT WE CAN DO TO PROTECT OURSELVES AGAINST THOSE WHO WOULD SEEK TO COME IN OUR COMMUNITY AND DO SOME HARM.

SO REALLY EXCITED TO TO HAVE HELP BRING THIS TO THE CITY.

AND I APPRECIATE EVERYONE FOR COMING AND SUPPORTING THIS.

AND YEAH, COME ON OUT AND GET YOUR CONVERTER ETCH.

THANKS, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, MISS CITY MAN.

JUST REAL QUICK, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT DAVID AH, DAVID GAINES IS GOING TO BE RUNNING IN THE NEW YORK MARATHON THIS WEEKEND COMING UP.

OH, YEAH.

AND SO IT'S JUST WISHING HIM WELL AND SAFE TRAVELS UP AND BACK.

THAT IS FANTASTIC.

YEAH. ANYONE ELSE? SO. SO WHAT'S UP? YES. YEAH.

SO I HAVE A FEW THINGS HERE.

SO ONE, WANT TO SAY THANKS TO STAFF FOR HOSTING GREAT EVENTS ALL DAY YESTERDAY FOR HALLOWEEN STUFF IS REALLY FUN TO SEE EVERYONE DRESSED UP CHIEF DIXON SCARRED PEOPLE FOR LIFE.

BUT IT'S OKAY. IT'S ALL IN FUN.

BUT NO, THAT WAS THAT WAS REALLY GOOD TO COME TOGETHER AND FELLOWSHIP THAT WAY.

THAT WAS GREAT. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, I TOUCHED ON IT EARLIER, THE HILL ALLEY, JACKSON STREET, THAT THAT PHASE OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION IS IS DONE AND FANTASTIC, MAN.

IT'S REALLY, REALLY NICE. SO VERY WELL DONE SO THANK EVERYONE FOR FOR THEIR HARD WORK THERE.

AND THEN DAY OF THE DEAD FESTIVAL WAS AMAZING GREAT TURNOUT SO EVERYONE THAT KIND OF HELPED MAKE THAT COME BACK AND SERVE OUR COMMUNITY WELL, KEPT EVERYONE SAFE, REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND THEN SPECIFICALLY WANT TO THANK SO RYAN ELEMENTARY, THE SECOND GRADER.

SO I GOT A CHANCE TO GO TALK TO THEM.

AND IF YOU'VE NEVER HEARD ME TALK TO KIDS, ONE, I LOVE IT.

BUT TWO OF MY FAVORITE GAG IS I ASKED THEM, I DON'T LET THE TEACHERS ANSWER.

I ASK THE KIDS HOW THE STREETS IN DENTON ARE, AND THEY ALWAYS SAY, GREAT, AND IT DRIVES THE TEACHERS CRAZY.

IT'S MY FAVORITE THING. IT'S MY IT'S MY FAVORITE THING TO DO.

SO IT'S GREAT.

GREAT. BUT SO IT WAS SO I WANT TO THANK MS..

FORD FORSYTH AND PRINCIPAL NICOLE POOLE AND ALL THE OTHER TEACHERS AND FAMILIES THERE.

WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION ON A SAD NOTE, IF YOU KNOW HIM, SCOTT TARTER PASSED AWAY.

SO HIS SERVICES ARE SATURDAY AT 11:00 AT UNITED METHODIST AND FLOWER MOUND.

AND BUT MY THOUGHTS PRAYERS GO OUT TO HIS WIFE, DONNA.

GREAT, GREAT FAMILY, GREAT PEOPLE.

SORRY FOR HIS LOSS.

AND THEN I'LL MENTION IN CLOSING A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS.

U.A. HOMECOMING IS THIS WEEKEND.

SO WE'LL DEDICATING A A MONUMENT TO ABNER HAYNES AND AND KIND OF ALL THE THINGS THAT HE CONTRIBUTED TO THAT WILL BE THERE THAT AFTERNOON AND IN THE GAME AT THREE TWU LAST NIGHT HAD THEIR FIRST WOMEN'S WRESTLING MATCH.

SO IF YOU IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEM THAT'S VERY UNIQUE FOR A WOMEN'S WOMAN'S COLLEGE.

AND SO THEY HAVE THEIR FIRST MATCH.

SO PLEASE LOOK UP THEIR SCHEDULE, SUPPORT THEM.

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SO THAT'S GUYS OPERATING, GUYS AND GALS OPERATING AS LEADERS.

IT'S IN DENTON ISD AND THEY HAVE SOCCER MATCHES EACH WEEKEND AND IT'S ALL VOLUNTEER THE COACHES, VOLUNTEER REFEREES VOLUNTEER.

AND IT JUST KIND OF THEY DO LEADERSHIP TRAINING FOR ELEMENTARY AGE KIDS, MIDDLE SCHOOL KIDS, AND THEN THEY GO PLAY SOCCER ON THE WEEKENDS.

SO THAT STARTS THIS WEEKEND.

SO WANT TO SUPPORT THEM AND GO GO IS THE ACRONYM IF YOU LOOK THEM UP AND CHRIS, I FOUNDED THAT AND SO WANT TO SUPPORT THEM.

IT'S A REALLY GREAT PROGRAM WITH THAT AT 741 WILL CONCLUDE TONIGHT'S MEETING.

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.