A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the updates to the Roadway Impact Fees. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]

[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the updates to the Roadway Impact Fees. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

IT'S ID 221719.

RECEIVE REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE UPDATES TO THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. COUNCIL.

BECKY DEVINNEY, CITY ENGINEER.

I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY WITH PETE KELLY FROM KIMLEY-HORN ASSOCIATES, WHO IS OUR CONSULTANT, WHO HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE PROGRAM WITH US.

AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE ADOPTED THE MOBILITY PLAN IN MARCH.

AND SO AS THE NEXT STEP IS TO TAKE THIS ROADWAY IMPACT FEE THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS, ONE BEING A DEVELOPER TOWN HALL THAT WAS HELD WHERE WE HAD DIFFERENT MEMBERS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ATTEND.

WE ALSO HAVE HELD TO SEE IAC MEETINGS, WHICH IS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CURRENTLY SERVES AS THAT COMMITTEE.

WE ACTUALLY HAD ONE YESTERDAY AND THROUGH THAT CONVERSATION THEY SAW A SIMILAR PRESENTATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TODAY.

WE'RE REALLY WHAT STAFF IS LOOKING FOR WITH TODAY'S CONVERSATION IS SOME DIRECTION ON SOME POSSIBLE OPTIONS AS TO WHAT YOU'D LIKE FOR US TO CONTINUE TO EVALUATE.

WE PLAN TO COME BACK TO YOU ON DECEMBER 6TH TO GO OVER THE FORMAL ACTUAL REPORT AND LOOK AT ANY OPTIONS THAT YOU DISCUSS WITH US TODAY.

BUT JUST WANTING TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU LIE AS FAR AS THE THREE OPTIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED, GIVEN A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF REALLY THE IMPACT FEES IN GENERAL, AND THEN KIND OF TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS, WE DO ANTICIPATE THIS TO BE A SERIES OF MEETINGS AND PETE WILL GO OVER A SCHEDULE AT THE END THROUGHOUT THE MONTHS OF DECEMBER INTO JANUARY FOR ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARING ADOPTION.

AND SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE TODAY.

AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO PETE.

BUT FIRST I'M GOING TO GET THE PRESENTATION GOING.

SO.

ALL RIGHTY. SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO PETE AND LET HIM GET STARTED ON HIS PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, BECKY. GOOD AFTERNOON.

COUNCIL. I'M PETE KELLY WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND IT HAS BEEN OUR PLEASURE TO ASSIST THE CITY OF DENTON AND UPDATING YOUR ROADWAY IMPACT FEE STUDY.

SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO DO A REFRESHER COURSE OF WHAT AN IMPACT FEE IS, WHAT THE COMPONENTS OF THE STUDY ARE.

AND LET ME NOT GO TOO FAST HERE.

HERE WE GO. WHAT THE COMPONENTS OF THE STUDY ARE, HOW WE MADE THE CALCULATION OF THE CURRENT MAXIMUM FEE FOR 2022, AND, LIKE BECKY

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SAID, SHOW YOU SOME OPTIONS FOR WHAT YOU MIGHT CONTINUE TO COLLECT MOVING FORWARD.

SO AN IMPACT FEE, AGAIN, IS A ONE TIME FEE ASSESSED TO RECOVER INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS REQUIRED TO SERVE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

SO THIS IS FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT ONLY.

IT'S GOVERNED BY CHAPTER 395 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

AND AS PART OF THAT STATE LAW, IT'S REQUIRED TO UPDATE THE STUDY EVERY FIVE YEARS.

AND THAT'S WHAT BRINGS US TO AN UPDATE CURRENTLY THE CYCLE.

SO WHY IMPACT FEES? IMPACT FEES PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL TOOL TO HELP FUND NEW INFRASTRUCTURE IN ADDITION TO THE FUNDING SOURCES YOU ARE ALREADY USING.

THAT ALSO HELPS TO PROVIDE FOR THE ORDERLY GROWTH OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO THE COMPONENTS OF AN IMPACT FEE STUDY ARE TO IDENTIFY THE SERVICE AREAS TO DO LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS.

THAT'S THE TEN YEAR GROWTH PROJECTIONS TO PUT TOGETHER A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN FOR INFRASTRUCTURE TO CALCULATE THE SERVICE UNITS AND TO CALCULATE THE MAXIMUM FEE.

FOR IMPACT FEE SERVICE AREAS FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER THERE.

THERE'S NO MAXIMUM LIMIT ON HOW BIG THE SERVICE AREA CAN BE.

IT CAN EXPAND BEYOND THE CITY LIMITS.

IT CAN ALSO BE ONE SERVICE AREA IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICE AREAS ARE MULTIPLE.

THEY'RE BROKEN UP FOR ROADWAY.

THERE IS A MAXIMUM LIMIT.

THEY CAN BE NO LARGER THAN SIX MILES AND IT CAN ALSO CANNOT EXTEND INTO THE ETB.

SO ALL THE PROJECTS ON THE IMPACT PIPE AND THE GROWTH ARE ALL WITHIN THE SEA LIMITS AND WITHIN EACH SERVICE AREA.

IN 2016 WHEN WE ORIGINALLY HELPED STAFF COME UP WITH THE SERVICE AREAS FOR FOR ROADWAY IMPACT FEES, WE DID AN ANALYSIS TO LOOK AT THE DIVISION OF PROJECTS AND GROWTH BETWEEN SERVICE AREAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WOULD BE A BIT OF A PARITY BETWEEN THE SERVICE AREAS AND HOW MUCH POTENTIAL REVENUE BE COLLECTED FOR IMPACT FEES AND SPENT ON IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE PROJECTS IN THOSE SERVICE AREAS.

AND THIS IS THE SERVICE AREA MAP.

YOU CAN SEE HERE THE FIVE SERVICE AREAS A, B, C, AND D, AND HOW THEY'RE SPLIT UP.

GENERALLY, WE LOOK AT MAJOR ROADWAYS, BODIES OF WATER AND RAILROADS AS DIVIDING BOUNDARIES BETWEEN SERVICE AREAS.

SO WITH THE SERVICE AREA IS ESTABLISHED, AND I SHOULD MENTION ALSO JUST KIND OF GOING BACK THAT WE KEPT THE SAME SERVICE AREA BOUNDARIES AS THE 2016 STUDY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY LIMITS SINCE THEN.

SO THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE SERVICE AREAS FOR THIS UPDATE.

WITH THE SERVICE AREAS ESTABLISHED.

WE LOOKED AT EACH SERVICE AREA AND WHAT KIND OF GROWTH PATTERNS WERE GOING TO OCCUR IN THAT SERVICE AREA.

AND THAT WAS REALLY DRIVEN BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO WE WE TOOK THE DATA DIRECTLY FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LOOKED AT GROWTH AND BROKE IT OUT INTO THOSE FIVE SERVICE AREAS.

AND WE ALSO AGGREGATED THAT INTO FOUR GENERAL CATEGORIES OF GROWTH.

SO THOSE FOUR CATEGORIES ARE RESIDENTIAL BASIC SERVICE AND RETAIL.

RESIDENTIAL INCLUDES SINGLE AND MULTIFAMILY DWELLING UNITS, BASIC INCLUDES BUT IS NOT LIMITED LIMITED TO INDUSTRIAL AND AGRICULTURAL USES.

SERVICE INCLUDES USES LIKE OFFICE AND INSTITUTIONAL AND RETAIL INCLUDES ESSENTIALLY ALL THE OTHER NON RESIDENTIAL USES.

SHINING UP SHOPPING, DINING AND ENTERTAINMENT.

OKAY. SO THIS IS A MAP AGAIN OF THE SERVICE AREAS WITH THE PROJECTED GROWTH UNITS OF GROWTH IN THOSE FOUR DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

ESSENTIALLY, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A PROJECTED GROWTH OF DWELLING UNITS, JUST OVER 12,000 WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

IT WAS NOTED IN PRIOR MEETINGS THAT IN THE COMP PLAN IN 2040 EXCUSE ME, WE'RE LOOKING AT A GROWTH OF ROUGHLY 36,000 ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS.

WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE 2030 TIME FRAME, THAT'S ABOUT 18,000.

AND THEN WHEN YOU TAKE OUT THE UNITS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, THAT GOT US DOWN TO ABOUT 12,000.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LITTLE MORE INDUSTRIAL OR BASIC DEVELOPMENT GOING ON IN THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY AND SERVICE AREAS A AND C, BUT STILL QUITE A BIT OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT GOING ON OVER THERE AS WELL, WHICH MAKES SENSE.

WITH THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS COMPLETED AND THE SERVICE AREAS IDENTIFIED.

WE IDENTIFIED A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN FOR IMPACT FEES.

ONE DISTINCTION WE LIKE TO MAKE HERE IS THAT THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM THE CITY'S FIVE YEAR CIP AND THAT THIS IS A PLANNING DOCUMENT MADE TO COME UP WITH A WITH A FEE CALCULATION. IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE A LIST OF PROJECTS THAT ARE PROGRAMED OR PRIORITIZE IN ANY WAY TO TO BE BUILT.

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THEY'RE JUST ELIGIBLE PROJECTS THAT IMPACT FEE DOLLARS CAN BE SPENT ON.

SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TO MAKE.

AND THESE PROJECTS ALSO ARE NEED TO BE BASED ON AN ADOPTED PLAN.

AND WE RECENTLY HAD YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MASTER PLAN ADOPTED EARLIER THIS YEAR AND THE ROADWAY IMPACT VQIP PROJECTS ARE ALL BASED OFF OF THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN OR THE MOBILITY PLAN.

EXCUSE ME. AND.

ONE IMPORTANT THING TO MENTION THERE AS WELL, AND ACTUALLY I'LL MENTION IT ON THIS SLIDE, IS THAT IN ORDER TO OPTIMIZE THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE PROGRAM, ESSENTIALLY ALL THE CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDED IN THE MOBILITY PLAN ARE INCLUDED IN THE ROADWAY IMPACT CIP AND WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO UTILIZE IMPACT FEE FUNDS, BUT ONLY A PERCENTAGE OF IT IS ELIGIBLE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT A TEN YEAR WINDOW, NOT AT A FULL BUILD OUT WINDOW FOR THE IMPACT FEE STUDY.

AND ESSENTIALLY ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ADDING CAPACITY ARE ELIGIBLE TO BE INCLUDED.

SO MAINTENANCE PROJECTS AND PROJECTS INTENDED TO FIX EXISTING DEFICIENCIES ARE NOT ELIGIBLE.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE MAP OF ONE OF OUR SHIPS FOR THE FOR SERVICE AREA B, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PROJECT TYPES THAT ARE IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE.

WE HAVE NEW ROADS THAT DON'T EXIST TODAY AND WE HAVE ROADS THAT NEED TO BE WIDENED ACCORDING TO THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN.

AND THEN THE BLACK ROADS YOU SEE ON HERE ARE OTHER THOROUGHFARES THAT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT FEES EITHER BECAUSE THEY'RE CURRENTLY FULLY BUILT OUT OR BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING FUNDED FROM STATE OR COUNTY FUNDS.

AND SO WE HAVE WE HAVE A MAP LIKE THIS FOR EACH OF THE FIVE SERVICE AREAS THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE REPORT THAT YOU'LL SEE FORTHCOMING AS IT GETS FINALIZED.

SO AS WE'VE CALCULATED OUR GROWTH PROJECTIONS AND THE CAPACITY BEING PROVIDED BY OUR CFP, THIS HAS TO BE BOILED DOWN INTO WHAT WE CALL SERVICE UNITS IN CHAPTER THREE AND 95 GIVES A DEFINITION FOR THAT.

THEIR DEFINITION IS A STANDARDIZED MEASURE OF CONSUMPTION ATTRIBUTABLE TO AN INDIVIDUAL UNIT OF DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO FOR ROADWAY IMPACT FEES, THE SERVICE UNIT IS THE VEHICLE MILE.

ESSENTIALLY THAT IS THE CAPACITY CONSUMED BY A VEHICLE TRAVELING, MAKING A TRIP ONE MILE IN LENGTH.

AND THE WAY WE DO THAT IS WE START WITH THE TRIP RATE FOR A GIVEN LAND USE AND WE MULTIPLY THAT BY THE TRIP LENGTH.

AND THE TWO SOURCES THAT WE USE TO CALCULATE THAT ARE THE I.T OR INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS TRIP GENERATION MANUAL AND THE NATIONAL HOUSEHOLD TRAVEL SURVEY, WHICH GIVES DATA ON HOW FAR PEOPLE DRIVE TO FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES, DIFFERENT TRIP PURPOSES.

JUST TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL EXPLANATION OF THAT, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH OUR CALCULATIONS IS ABOUT 4.61 VEHICLE, MILES.

THAT'S THE DEMAND ROUGHLY IN THE PEAK HOUR.

SO THAT'S THE TRIP RATE MULTIPLIED BY THE TRIP LENGTH OF A TYPICAL TRIP TO OR FROM A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

AND FOR A SHOPPING CENTER, IT'S 9.6 VEHICLE MILES PER 1000 SQUARE FEET.

SO AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IF YOU GET TO TEN, 20, 30, 40,000 SQUARE FEET, THOSE THOSE TRIP VEHICLE MILES ADD UP QUITE A BIT.

SO IT VARIES GREATLY DEPENDING ON WHAT USE YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

THIS IS KIND OF THE MAIN PRINCIPLE THAT WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SERVICE UNITS.

IT WAS A QUESTION THAT HAS COME UP FROM CIC AND ALSO THE DEVELOPER TOWN HALL ABOUT WHAT CONSIDERATIONS ARE BEING MADE FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND THE DOWNTOWN AREA ESSENTIALLY.

I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR EXISTING ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW FOR IMPACT FEES IS THAT IF A PROPERTY WERE TO BE REDEVELOPED, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A USE THAT IS TEN TIMES THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLE MILES AS THE PREVIOUS USE IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE ASSESSED AN IMPACT FEE.

SO IF IT IF IT'S LESS THAN THAT, IT WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM IMPACT FEES CURRENTLY.

SO THAT'S THE CURRENT PROVISION THAT IS IN PLACE FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

AND THERE ARE OTHER OTHER OPTIONS THAT COULD BE PURSUED AS WELL.

IF THAT IS OF INTEREST TO THE COUNCIL, WE WOULD TAKE THAT DIRECTION AND WORK WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL.

WITH THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS CALCULATED AND THE CIP MAPS PUT TOGETHER.

IT BRINGS US TO THE CALCULATION OF THE IMPACT FEE.

ESSENTIALLY, IT IS A EQUATION OF THE COST OF THE CIP OVERGROWTH.

I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT THE COST IN THE COST OF CIP, WE CAN ONLY LOOK AT THE COST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO SERVE THE TEN YEAR DEMAND.

SO WE HAVE WE START WITH ONE FAIRLY LARGE COST AND WE TAKE OUT THE COST NEEDED TO FIX EXISTING DEFICIENCIES.

WE ALSO TAKE OUT THE COST NEEDED TO SERVE DEMAND BEYOND THE TEN YEAR WINDOW, SO IN THIS CASE BEYOND 2032.

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SO THE COST YOU'RE SEEING IS JUST THE COST NEEDED TO BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE DEMAND OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS.

SO THAT'S THE RECOVERABLE COST DIVIDED BY THE GROWTH AND SERVICE UNITS.

AND THEN THERE'S A PROVISION AS WELL IN STATE LAW THAT REQUIRES YOU TO REMOVE A PORTION OF THAT COST TO ACCOUNT FOR AD VALOREM TAXES.

AND THE TWO OPTIONS, AS YOU CAN RUN THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF EXERCISE OF ACTUALLY CALCULATING WHAT THAT IS AND PROVIDE A DETAILED ESTIMATE, OR YOU CAN JUST HALF IT BY 50%.

SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE PURSUED THE CREDIT CALCULATION AND WE'LL SHOW YOU THAT IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES.

SO WE'VE GOT SOME AND I WILL SAY HERE THAT WE ARE STILL ACCEPTING COMMENTS FROM STAFF.

AND THESE NUMBERS YOU'LL SEE TODAY ARE STILL IN DRAFT FORM.

THEY'RE CLOSE TO WHAT WE THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN FINAL FORM.

AND WE WILL SEND YOU THE FINAL UPDATE AHEAD OF OUR OUR NEXT MEETING ON DECEMBER SIX SO THAT YOU'LL HAVE THAT TO REVIEW.

BUT THIS DOES GIVE YOU A PREVIEW OF HOW IT'S CALCULATED AND ALSO WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE ARE STARTING TO SHAPE OUT.

SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE TOP ROW OUR TOTAL ELIGIBLE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COSTS.

SO THAT'S AFTER WE'VE TAKEN OUT THE COST TO FIX EXISTING DEFICIENCIES AND THE COST BEYOND THE TEN YEAR WINDOW.

AND THEN THE GROWTH IN SERVICE UNITS IS IN THE SECOND ROW.

SO YOU YOU DIVIDE THE COST BY THE GROWTH IN SERVICE UNITS AND YOU GET THE NUMBERS IN THE THIRD ROW.

AND SO THOSE ARE ALL THE NUMBERS.

THOSE ARE ALL THE DOLLARS PER VEHICLE MILE, WHICH IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY VEHICLE MILES IN THE LAND USE THOSE DOLLARS DON'T MEAN A WHOLE LOT.

SO WE PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE LAND USE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

WHAT THAT COMES OUT TO IS ROUGHLY AND THIS IS BEFORE ADDING IN FINANCING OR DOING THE CREDIT CALCULATION.

THAT CAME OUT TO ROUGHLY 18,000 FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOME FOR THE MAXIMUM ASSESSABLE FEE.

JUST TO PUT IN PERSPECTIVE WHAT WAS CALCULATED IN 2016 AND WHAT'S BEING CHARGED TODAY, WHAT'S BEING ASSESSED AND THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM, THE MAXIMUM ASSESSABLE FEE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE 2016 STUDY WAS ON AVERAGE JUST UNDER $10,000, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

AND WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEING ASSESSED ACROSS THE SERVICE AREAS AS AS A FLAT RATE IS 2000, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

SO THAT'S ROUGHLY 20%.

NOT EXACTLY, BUT IT'S A ROUGH NUMBER.

AND LIKE I SAID, PART OF THE EXERCISE IS DOING THE CALCULATION OF FINANCE AND ALSO THE CREDIT CALCULATION REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.

SO AFTER ADDING IN FINANCING AND THE CREDIT, THE ESTIMATED IMPACT FEE PER VEHICLE MILE GOES UP SLIGHTLY AND THAT LANDS US CLOSER TO $22,000 PER SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT MAY BE CHARGED.

THAT IS NOT THE AMOUNT THAT MUST BE CHARGED.

THAT IS GOING TO BE A DECISION FOR THIS BODY TO MAKE AND TO DISCUSS HOW MUCH OF THAT TO TO ASSESS TO DEVELOPMENT AS IT COMES IN TO HELP KIND OF GET THE CONVERSATION STARTED ON HOW HOW ROADS ARE FUNDED AND WHAT ROLE IMPACT FEES PLAY IN THAT.

WE PUT TOGETHER A FEW PIE CHARTS HERE JUST TO SHOW THE TOTAL NEED.

THIS IS FOR FULL BUILDOUT OF THE MOBILITY PLAN WITHIN THE EXISTING CITY LIMITS.

THE TOTAL NEED. WE CURRENTLY ESTIMATED ABOUT $1.8 BILLION TO DO ALL THOSE PROJECTS, NEW ROADS AND WIDENING PROJECTS.

SO OF ALL THAT NEED ABOUT 40% OF IT AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE LIGHT BLUE IS NEED THAT WE EXPECT TO SERVE GROWTH BEYOND THE YEAR 2032. SO THAT'S GROWTH THAT CANNOT BE THAT'S COST THAT CANNOT BE CAPTURED IN THE CURRENT IMPACT FEE STUDY.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, ABOUT 26% OF IT IS COST TO FIX EXISTING DEFICIENCIES, WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT CAN'T BE CAPTURED IN THE CURRENT IMPACT FEE UPDATE.

LOOKING OVER AT THE RED AND GREEN SLICES OF THE PIE, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE AMOUNT THAT IS BEING LOOKED AT FOR THE IMPACT FEE STUDY.

AND SO IF YOU WERE TO COLLECT 100% OF WHAT'S ELIGIBLE WITH THE IMPACT FEE STUDY, IT WOULD CAPTURE ABOUT 30% OF THE TOTAL NEED.

AGAIN, THAT'S THE NEED OF THE ENTIRE MOBILITY PLAN BEING FULLY BUILT OUT.

AND THEN ABOUT 4% OF THAT WOULD BE COVERED BY AD VALOREM TAXES.

WHAT'S THIS? IS THE CURRENT PERCENTAGE BEING COLLECTED TODAY? 20%. SO IF THAT WERE TO CONTINUE, THE THAT GREEN SLICE GETS DOWN TO ABOUT 6% OF THE ROADS WOULD BE FUNDED BY IMPACT FEE REVENUE. AND WE ESTIMATE ABOUT 24% OF IT WOULD NEED TO BE MADE UP BY TAXES AND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES.

AND WE ALSO SHOWED A 5050 SPLIT ON HERE.

YOU'LL SEE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO SHOW.

AND THE NEXT SLIDE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COLLECTION RATE OPTIONS, PART OF STATE LAW IS THIS IDEA OF HAVING EQUAL PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN MUNICIPALITIES AND

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DEVELOPMENT. SO WHAT WE LOOKED AT HERE IS THE OPTION OF GOING TO A 50% COLLECTION RATE.

AND JUST WHAT WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH OF THE ROADS ARE BEING FUNDED BY IMPACT FEES? AND THAT THAT BUMPS IT UP FROM 6% TO 15% OF THE ROADS ARE BEING FUNDED BY IMPACT FEES.

AND AGAIN, JUST A REMINDER THAT THE LIGHT BLUE WOULD POTENTIALLY BE ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT FEE FUNDING BEYOND THE YEAR 2032.

SO THAT'S FUTURE POTENTIALLY ELIGIBLE IMPACT FEE FUNDING.

SO THIS IS WHAT USING THE 2022 DRAFT MAXIMUM FEES, THIS IS WHAT THE COLLECTION RATES MIGHT LOOK LIKE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AT THOSE THREE DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES.

SO OPTION ONE, YOU'LL SEE IN PURPLE AND AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST SOME OPTIONS TO GET THE CONVERSATION STARTED.

IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR A DIFFERENT OPTION TO BE EVALUATED, WE OF COURSE, WOULD TAKE THAT FEEDBACK AND WORK ON THOSE OPTIONS WITH STAFF.

BUT OPTION ONE IS ESSENTIALLY THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD BE KEEPING UP WITH CONSTRUCTION COSTS BECAUSE THEY HAVE RISEN QUITE A BIT SINCE THE LAST UPDATE AND MAINTAINING A 20% OF THE MAXIMUM COLLECTION RATE THAT WOULD GET YOU AROUND $4,500 A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IF THAT WERE THE PERCENTAGE TO BE COLLECTED.

OPTION TWO IS, AGAIN, THE IDEA OF AN EQUAL PARTNERSHIP, OR HALF OF IT'S DONE BY THE CITY AND HALF OF IT'S DONE BY DEVELOPMENT.

THAT WOULD BE CLOSE TO 11,000, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

AND IF YOU WERE TO CHARGE THE FULL MAXIMUM ASSESSABLE FEE, WE'RE ESTIMATING CURRENTLY AROUND 22,000, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE IDEA OF GROWTH, PAYING AS MUCH AS THEY ARE ELIGIBLE TO FOR GROWTH FOR ITSELF.

AND JUST A REMINDER, AGAIN, THAT IN THE CURRENT PROGRAM THERE IS A 25% DISCOUNT FOR NON RESIDENTIAL USES ON THE SINGLE FAMILY VEHICLE MILE RATE.

SO THERE ARE THERE ARE ALSO OPTIONS TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT RATES FOR DIFFERENT LAND USES.

AS BECKY SAID, OUR SCHEDULE MOVING FORWARD IS WE'LL BE COMING BACK FOR A FOLLOW UP MEETING ON DECEMBER SIX WITH THE FINAL IMPACT FEE STUDY NUMBERS, WHICH AGAIN, WE EXPECT TO BE FAIRLY CLOSE TO WHAT YOU SAW TODAY.

BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS FINALIZED FOR THAT MEETING.

AND IT WON'T BE UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 10TH THAT THERE WILL BE NEED TO BE.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR ACTION IN THAT MEETING IN TERMS OF ACCEPTING THE STUDY ITSELF.

AND THERE'S THE OPTION TO ALSO SET COLLECTION RATES AT THAT MEETING OR THAT CAN BE DELAYED FOR UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.

WE CAN KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN IF THAT THAT DISCUSSION NEEDS TO CONTINUE FURTHER.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? GREAT. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU FOR KIND OF I GUESS I'LL CALL IT AN EARLY LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.

CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT IS LEFT TO DO IN THIS STUDY? AND I'M JUST NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO TAKE THE NUMBERS AT THIS POINT.

LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PRETTY CLOSE.

BUT HOW COULD THEY CHANGE? WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE STILL STUDYING THAT COULD BE WHAT ARE WE SO CRUNCHING THAT COULD CHANGE THEM? WHAT KIND OF RANGE ARE WE LOOKING AT? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

SO WE HAVE SUBMITTED A DRAFT REPORT TO STAFF.

THERE SHOULD BE ACTUALLY SENDING THEIR COMMENTS OVER TO US TODAY OR TOMORROW, AND WE JUST NEED TO ADDRESS ANY OUTSTANDING COMMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S BEING LOOKED AT WITH A VERY CLOSE EYE ON TERMS OF EACH PROJECT AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE CORRECT PROJECT LISTING IN THERE.

AND OUR CALCULATIONS ARE CORRECT.

OKAY. IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT PROCESS CORRECTLY, WE PUT EVERYTHING IN THE BUCKET OF WHAT WE WOULD WHAT WE WOULD SEE AS ELIGIBLE, WHAT WE BELIEVE IS ELIGIBLE FOR THIS KIND OF FUNDING, AND THEN WE BACK OUT EXISTING DEFICIENCIES.

SO A GOOD A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR KEEPING UP GOOD ROADS SO YOU HAVE LESS DEFICIENCIES TO BACK OUT OF THE FORMULA AND THEN YOU THEN YOU BACK OUT THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE TEN YEAR HORIZON.

AND THEN THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ELIGIBLE FUNDING COSTS THAT WE COULD TRY TO RECOVER THROUGH THIS FEE.

THAT'S RIGHT. IN ADDITION TO THE FINANCING IT WOULD TAKE TO BUILD THOSE THOSE ROADS THAT ARE WITHIN THE TEN YEAR ELIGIBLE WINDOW.

AND THEN WE'VE ARE CURRENT COLLECTION RATE IS CLOSE TO IT'S A FLAT FEE SO IT'S IT'S CLOSE TO 20% ROUND ABOUT TODAY'S 20% OR AROUND ABOUT 2016 IS 20% 20% OF THE 2016 MAXIMUM FEE.

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OKAY. SO EVEN IF WE DID 20% LIKE YOUR SLIDE SHOW WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE.

YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT TWICE THE COLLECTION RATE.

IF WE DO THE 20% OF THE 2022 DRAFT MAXIMUM FEE, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT SOME OF OUR COMPETITOR CITIES AND I KIND OF HESITATE TO PUT IT THAT WAY BECAUSE A RESIDENTIAL NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT.

WE'VE PRIMARILY BEEN TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEN IF YOU LOOK AT FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, THE NON RESIDENTIAL USES, WE REALLY DO HAVE SOME COMPETITORS IN THAT SPACE. DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT OUR COMPETITOR CITIES ARE DOING, WHAT THEIR COLLECTION RATES ARE LOOKING LIKE? DO WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE A REPORT ABOUT THAT? I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S A NUMBER OF CITIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD TOWARDS ADOPTION IN THE FOURTH QUARTER OF THIS YEAR.

CURRENTLY, AND ALL THAT I'M AWARE OF OR LOOKING AT INCREASING THE RATES AND MOST THAT I'M AWARE OF ARE CONTINUING TO OFFER DISCOUNTS ON THE RATES TO NON RESIDENTIAL USES.

SO THAT'S NOT ALL.

THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE THERE FEW IN THE PAST YEAR THAT HAVE ADOPTED THE MAXIMUM ROADWAY IMPACT FEE, BUT MOST, IF NOT ALL, ARE RAISING THEIR PERCENTAGE IN COLLECTION. MAYBE I SHOULD REFRAME MY QUESTION FOR STAFF BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY HAVE A WIDE PORTFOLIO OF CLIENTS AND MAYBE DON'T WANT TO COMMENT ON WHAT SOME OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE MAYBE FOR FOR EITHER ENGINEERING OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT SOME OF OUR PEER CITIES ARE ARE DOING OR WHAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING, OR IF THEIR IMPACTS, IF THEIR STUDY WAS LAST YEAR, MAYBE KIND OF WHERE WE STACK UP? ABSOLUTELY. AND IT'S A SIMILAR QUESTION THAT CAME UP AT CIC YESTERDAY.

SO AS WE PREPARE FOR THE PRESENTATION ON THE SIXTH, WE PLAN TO BRING FORWARD TO YOU ALL THE EXISTING FEES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING COLLECTED THAT WE WORK WITH SCOTT MCDONALD AND HIS TEAM ON.

ALSO THEN LOOKING AT WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IN THE METROPLEX, KEEP IN MIND IT'S NOT ALWAYS AN APPLES AND APPLES COMPARISON, BUT JUST AN OVERALL RANGE.

AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS KNOWING THAT MOST OF THE PERCENTAGES, AS PETE MENTIONED, ARE INCREASING.

SO, YOU KNOW, FORT WORTH IS CURRENTLY ADOPTING THEIRS.

FRISCO RECENTLY DID.

THERE'S OTHER CITIES IN THE AREA THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY BRING FORWARD, AT LEAST THE FEE AND THE PERCENTAGE THAT THEY ADOPTED JUST FOR YOU TO HAVE AN EXAMPLE, NO PROBLEM AND THAT'D BE, THAT'D BE VERY HELPFUL FOR ME.

COMPLEMENTARY DIRECTION WISE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO SEE THESE PRESENTED.

JUST SEE HOW YOU HAVE TODAY.

OPTION ONE. OPTION TWO. OPTION THREE.

I THINK I'M GOOD WITH THE PIE CHART YOU'VE USED.

I THINK THEY KIND OF HAVE LIMITED UTILITY OUTSIDE THIS PRELIMINARY CONVERSATION BECAUSE THEY SHOW A LOT OF STUFF WE CAN'T RECOVER.

RIGHT? THEY DON'T REALLY.

IT'S THINGS WE HAVE TO BACK OUT OF THE FORMULA AND AREN'T MAYBE SO HELPFUL GOING FORWARD, BUT I THINK I'D PREFER TO SEE THEM PRESENTED.

JUST HAVE YOU HAVE TODAY KIND OF TELL US WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE AT THESE DIFFERENT THESE DIFFERENT POINTS? BECAUSE FOR ME, I LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS AND I SEE AT 100% COLLECTION THE PRICE OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME GOES UP 22,000 BECAUSE BUILDERS AREN'T. AREN'T CUTTING INTO THEIR MARGIN WITH THE COST OF LAND AND THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION.

THEY'RE NOT CUTTING TO THEIR MARGINS TO COVER THESE FEES.

THEY THEY TACK IT RIGHT ON TO THE PRICE AND THEY MIGHT EVEN BREAK IT OUT FOR A NEW BUILD AND SAY, HERE'S EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE CALL YOUR CITY COUNCILMAN, BECAUSE THIS IS EXACTLY WHERE YOUR PRICE CAME FROM.

SO, IN FACT, I THINK YOU HAVE SOME THEY HAVE SOME STATE REQUIREMENTS TO DO SOME BREAKOUTS AND SOME OF THOSE FEES, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE FOR STAFF IS WHEN DO THESE LET'S SAY WE HAVE WE ADOPT ON THE SCHEDULE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE ADOPT A NEW SCHEDULE OF FEES IN JANUARY.

WHERE DOES A PROJECT NEED TO BE IN THE PROCESS TO HAVE LOCKED THEIR IMPACT FEES? I'M THINKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SERVICE AREA A AND A WHOLE LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO GO ON OUT THERE AND SERVICE AREA B, WE'VE GOT A WHOLE LOT OF DEVELOPMENT ALREADY IN THE PIPELINE. WHERE DO THEY HAVE TO BE IN THEIR PROJECT TO HAVE LOCKED IN THEIR EXISTING FEE IF WE ADOPT IN JANUARY? SO I'M GOING TO SEE IF SCOTT MCDONALD AGREES OR DISAGREES WITH WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

BUT TYPICALLY WHAT WE USE AND IT'S SIMILAR TO THE CRITERIA MANUAL, IF SOMEONE'S ALREADY MADE IT THROUGH THE PLATTING PROCESS AND WORKING TOWARDS THEIR CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING PLANS THAT SET SUCH TIME THAT WE'LL BE ADOPTING THOSE.

SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT PHASE THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS.

BUT IF THEY'RE ALREADY DOWN THE ROAD OF HAVING THEIR PLOTS ADOPTED AND WORKING ON THEIR CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING PLANS, WE WOULD BE USING THE CURRENT FEES, NOT THE ADOPTED RATED FEES. DO WE HAVE IT? AND MAYBE THIS IS A SCOTT QUESTION, BUT DO WE HAVE A A STATED POLICY OR DO WE HAVE SOMEWHERE IN THE CODE THAT SAYS WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LARGE INCREASE, THAT DEVELOPER SAYS, HEY, I WAS RIGHT WHERE BECKY AND SCOTT SAID THAT TO THE COUNCIL THAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, TO BE TO HAVE VESTED IN THE LAST SET OF FEES. DO WE HAVE SOMETHING CODIFIED THAT SAYS WHERE THAT WHERE THEY SWITCH GEARS TO THE NEW FEES?

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IT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE WITHIN THE ORDINANCE.

SO WE WOULD WE WOULD SPECIFY AT WHAT POINT WITHIN THE DOCUMENT, WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, WHEN IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE AND ETC..

SO IT WOULD BE CODIFIED.

THANK YOU. I GUESS THAT WOULD BE MY OTHER OTHER PIECE OF DIRECTION THAN JUST FOR MYSELF IS MAKING SURE SUPER SPECIFIC THERE.

SO WE DON'T PUT STAFF IN THE POSITION OF HAVING TO DEFEND A NEW SCHEDULE OF FEES THAT IS AMBIGUOUS IN ANY WAY AND WHEN WE DEAL WITH FEE CHANGES ON A REGULAR BASIS.

SO WE CERTAINLY TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT AND PUT ALL THE WORD OUT THERE THAT WE CAN TO.

TO BE GOOD STEWARDS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILWOMAN MAGUIRE, THANKS SO MUCH.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM CLEAR ON THE THE CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH WE CAN WAIVE IMPACT FEES. SO OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, IS THAT A CHANGE IN USE THAT GENERATES LESS THAN TEN TIMES THE NUMBER OF SERVICE UNITS COMPARED TO THE PRIOR USE IS EXEMPT FROM IMPACT FEES? DOES THAT APPLY TO DEVELOPMENT OF INFILL LOTS? LIKE IF THIS USE IS GOING FROM BEING A VACANT LOT TO BEING A FOURPLEX, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD THEIR IMPACT FEES BE WAIVED OR NO? SO MY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS NO WOULD BE FOR A LOT THAT HAS A USE THAT CURRENTLY GENERATES VEHICLE TRIPS.

AND I KNOW THAT THE THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SPECIFICALLY PROVIDES FOR THE ABILITY OF A MUNICIPALITY TO WAIVE IMPACT FEES FOR PROJECTS THAT QUALIFY AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNDER FEDERAL CODE.

IS AM I CORRECT THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE THAT POLICY IN PLACE? YEAH. YES. NOT CURRENTLY.

OK. OK ARE THERE ANY OTHER SITUATIONS? THIS IS DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY A QUESTION FOR A CITY ATTORNEY.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE IT WOULD BE LEGAL UNDER THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE FOR A MUNICIPALITY TO WAIVE IMPACT FEES? FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD IT BE LEGAL TO WAIVE IMPACT FEES FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT OR FOR A GROCERY STORE THAT'S LOOKING TO LOCATE IN A FOOD DESERT? YEAH. AND WE PROVIDED COUNSEL WITH A LEGAL OPINION THAT SPOKE TO SOME OF THESE ISSUES RECENTLY.

WE CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO IT AGAIN.

BUT THERE ARE STATUTORILY VERY SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT CAN BE WAIVED.

OUR ADVICE IS IF THERE'S SOMETHING BEYOND THOSE, IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY STATUTORILY AUTHORIZED.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT INDIVIDUALLY AND MAKE SURE IT'S GOOD AND GOOD TO GO.

WE'VE DONE THAT TO A CERTAIN DEGREE ALREADY IN THE CURRENT ONE, AND I THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.

WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT RUNNING INTO ANY EQUAL PROTECTION OR OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL TYPE OF ISSUES.

SO THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THOSE THINGS.

IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, WE RECOMMEND IT BE PUT IN THE ORDINANCE ITSELF AND NOT BE DONE AS A ONE INDIVIDUAL ITEM.

SO IF IT'S A PART OF THE CONVERSATION YOU WANT TO BRING UP, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO IT.

LET'S HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED TO KNOW IF WE COULD WAIVE IMPACT FEES FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND FOR OTHER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE.

CAN WE PUT IT THAT WAY? OBVIOUSLY, FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE EXISTING DEFINITIONS FOR THAT.

THERE. THERE ARE I MEAN, THAT'S THERE ARE LOTS OF EXISTING STRUCTURES FOR FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF OF TOD.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL THAT'S I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S PROBABLY TOUGHER THAN THAN TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

BUT NO, I THINK IT'S I MEAN YOUR POINT IS RIGHT ON WHICH IS WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL VALUES AND WANTS TO INCENTIVIZE? I THINK WHAT WE WOULD NEED IS TO HEAR THE FEEDBACK ON WHAT THOSE WILL BE AND THEN WE CAN DO THE HOMEWORK ON CAN WE DO THAT? CAN WE CAN WE NOT DO THAT? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE INTRICACIES TO WHAT HAS TO BE IN THE ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT? BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD NEED IS THAT FEEDBACK ON WHICH ITEMS DO YOU WANT TO INCENTIVIZE? OK ALL RIGHT.

SO YEAH, THERE'S MY FEEDBACK ON THAT ONE.

I IF IT'S LEGAL FOR US TO INCENTIVIZE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, YES.

AND THEN THE REST OF IT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER TIME.

I WOULD ABSOLUTELY LIKE TO SEE THE ORDINANCE INCLUDE WAIVERS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS THAT QUALIFY UNDER THAT FEDERAL CODE.

MY QUESTION IS, HOW MANY PROJECTS LIKE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE FOR THAT FEDERAL CODE IS AN APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT THAT THAT INCLUDES 10% OF THE UNITS ARE AFFORDABLE JUST TO PICK A RANDOM NUMBER.

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I IMAGINE THAT WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE ELIGIBLE, WHEREAS SOMETHING THAT'S 100% AFFORDABLE PROBABLY WOULD BE, BUT THERE'S PROBABLY A CUTOFF IN THERE SOMEWHERE.

RIGHT? SO.

SO. MAYOR, JUST REAL QUICK, I WAS TALKING TO SCOTT.

THIS IS PRETTY APPROPRIATE AFTER THE CONVERSATION WE HAD TODAY WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.

ACTUALLY, STAFF WANT TO COME BACK AND ACTUALLY SHARE A HOLISTIC PACKAGE.

THANK YOU, BECKY, FOR LOOKING AT WATER WASTEWATER AS WAY, WAY TO LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE FEES IN INCLUDING THESE OTHER FEES FOR THINGS LIKE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, FOOD DESERTS, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, SO THAT WE GIVE IT TO YOU.

AND A WHOLE PACKAGE OF HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT COULD BE AFFECTED AND WAIVED FOR THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS THAT MEAN BETTER HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDERSERVED AND DON'T HAVE PLACES TO LIVE, PEOPLE WHO CAN'T GET TO A LOCATION FOR A FOOD.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, AREAS THAT CREATE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT SO WE CAN COME BACK AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND THEN SHOW YOU HERE ALL THE FEES THAT ARE BEING CHARGED.

BUT HERE'S ALL THE FEES THAT COULD BE WAIVED.

YEAH. SO I THINK THAT THIS IS GREAT.

I THINK THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED IT IN A VERY CLEAR AND HELPFUL WAY, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THAT CONVERSATION.

I JUST HOPE THAT WE CAN KIND OF ACCOUNT FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF INCLUDING WAIVERS.

YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF IT'S POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, SITUATION WHERE WE DO ASK DEVELOPERS TO TO KIND OF SHOULDER A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THEIR FAIR SHARE, WHICH WOULD, OF COURSE, INCREASE THE COST OF THOSE NEW HOUSES A LITTLE BIT.

BUT IF WE'RE USING THAT TO OFFSET THE COST OF WAIVERS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT MIGHT BE A BALANCE WORTH STRIKING.

I THINK THAT WAS ALL I HAD.

YES. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCILMAN WATTS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO, YEAH, I'M GOING TO LEND SUPPORT TO GETTING THOSE THOSE SORTS OF WAIVER DISCUSSIONS UNDERWAY.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO GUIDING THE CITY FORWARD.

I HAD A QUESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT SORT OF THE IS IS IF YOU DO IF YOU DO INFILL DEVELOPMENT OF A VACANT LOT, IS THAT AN INFINITE IMPROVEMENT FROM ZERO.

AND SO TO FOLLOW UP ON AND YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T THINK SO.

SO OK IS THERE THOUGH A WAY TO GAME THE SYSTEM IF YOU DO A TEAR DOWN, CREATE A VACANT LOT, GIVE IT A YEAR AND THEN DO DEVELOPMENT ON IT? ARE YOU GOING TO GAME THE SYSTEM BY DEVELOPING ON A VACANT LOT? ARE THE RULES AGAINST THAT? WE'VE RAN INTO SOME SIMILAR SITUATIONS ON WATER WASTEWATER, SO I WOULD JUST BRIDGE IT TO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD THE SAME OR WHERE SOMEONE ATTEMPTS TO GAME, BUT REALLY WE'RE LOOKING BACK AT WHAT PREVIOUS USE, THE ZONING.

AND SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE.

THE ABILITY. AND CERTAINLY WE CAN WE CAN PROBABLY STRENGTHEN THOSE PROVISIONS IF THAT'S A CONCERN.

I THINK ANY TIME THAT WE CAN GET INFILL DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE NOT CREATING ADDITIONAL ROADWAY.

AND WHERE IT IS THAT WOULD PROMOTE OR AT LEAST WE'RE NOT GOING TO GREENFIELD.

SO WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT.

SO I THINK FINDING THE INCENTIVES TO DO THAT RATHER THAN SOMEBODY HAVING TO ATTEMPT TO GAME THE SYSTEM RIGHT.

AND THEN ACTUALLY. WHERE I WANTED TO GO IS ARE THERE ARE THERE WAYS THAT WE CAN PREVENT GAMING OF THE SYSTEM? BUT I GUESS ALSO SO IF WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT, BUT ALSO MAYBE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANYBODY DO ANY WORK FOR SOMETHING THAT'S A MASSIVE EDGE CASE.

SO IF THERE'S ONLY TWO EVENTS, IF YOU COULD GET BACK TO US AND SAY, OH, IT'S LIKE TWO OR THREE EVENTS, WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THIS, I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY MINIMAL.

I DON'T THINK I THINK THAT'S LESS OF AN ISSUE.

I THINK IT'S MORE OF OF WHAT DEVELOPMENT DO WE WANT TO PROVIDE INCENTIVE TO? AND IN PARTICULAR, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, CAROL AND EAGLE AND WE'VE GOT A VACANT LOT OR SOMEBODY TEAR SOMETHING DOWN THE ROADWAY, IMPACT FEE REALLY DOESN'T HAVE AN IMPACT SO MUCH THERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD ANY NEW INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE'RE NOT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE WIDENING.

THERE'S ANY NUMBER OF THINGS THAT AREN'T GOING TO OCCUR.

SO WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT THIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

AND THAT'S KIND OF THE PATH THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING DOWN.

THAT'S GOOD. I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THEN I GOT SORT OF TWO QUESTIONS ON THE THE GROWTH.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL BE CALLED UPON TO DO IS SORT OF SOMEWHERE IN THE 20 TO 100% SPECTRUM IN TERMS OF THE PERCENT PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE'RE WE'RE INTERESTED IN FOLLOWING.

SO RATHER THAN ASK YOU TO HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE WILL HOLD, WHAT ARE THE TREND LINES IN THE PAST FOR THE RELATIONSHIP OF OF SALES TAX GROWTH FOR AN AREA THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE C AND REPLACE IMPACT FEES?

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WE KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO.

WHAT'S OUR PERCENT EQUITY VERSUS PERCENT PARTNERSHIP.

SO, YOU KNOW, ARE WE SEEING JUST MASSIVE GROWTH AT 20% SO THAT WE GET IT ALL BACK IN SALES TAX OR DO WE REALLY THEN THE BETTER BANG FOR THE BUCK IS WAY UP AT 80% BECAUSE SALES TAX GROWTH HASN'T BEEN.

I MEAN, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION NOW, BUT IT'S PART OF THE FUTURE.

IF YOU COULD GET US SOME TREND LINES THAT WE COULD LOOK BETWEEN AND SEE IN THE REGION OR IN TYPICAL COMPARABLES, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU KNOW, WHEN WE BET ON A PERCENT, WHAT'S THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR THAT? SO THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IN SETTING THAT SORT OF STAT OF WHERE TO SET THE THE NUMBER.

AND LET'S SEE.

SO THE OTHER THE OTHER THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT IS.

THIS IDEA OF WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE THOSE INFILL DEVELOPMENTS LIKE WE WERE JUST MENTIONING, BECAUSE THEY'RE LIMITED IMPACT, OR AT LEAST THEY'RE UNIQUE IMPACTS ON INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT, WHEREAS WE CAN WE CAN SPECIFY MORE CLEANLY GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR IMPACTS.

AND SO I GUESS I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE NUANCE ON THAT SEPARATION OF OF GREENFIELD VERSUS INFILL, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S A LEVER THAT WE NEED TO PULL TO TO PROMOTE BECAUSE WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEMS OF SPRAWL.

AND AND I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY TURN UP THE THERMOSTAT ON GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT AND TURN IT DOWN AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT IF WE HAD THAT UNDERSTANDING A LITTLE TIGHTER.

IF YOU KNOW OR NOT, YOU CAN COME BACK AND SAY THERE'S THERE'S LEGISLATIVE RESTRICTIONS.

BUT THEN I STILL NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE ARE THE LEVERS THAT I CAN PULL, RIGHT? PRODUCTIONS ON ZOOM, SO I GOT TO SHARE.

THE WAY. THERE YOU GO.

YOU BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF GREAT POINTS.

I'M INTRODUCING A NEW SLIDE JUST TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT FEES OVERALL.

AND WHEN YOU SAY GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT, I WANT TO I WANT TO CAUTION ON THE FACT OF LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK AT THIS VERY COMPREHENSIVELY AND HOW WE LOOK AT THE ENTIRETY OF THE CITY.

AND I'VE GOT AN EXAMPLE HERE OF SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

BUT IF WE IF WE LOOK AT PROMOTING INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND THEN PUNISHING GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT, IT CAN HAVE THE EFFECT OF LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT, MEANING THAT THEY TAKE IT OUT OF THE CORPORATE LIMITS, BUT THEY'RE STILL IN DENTON.

SO THE EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE HERE REALLY SHOWS WHAT A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

SO YOUR COLUMN, YOUR FIRST COLUMN HERE, 2017.

THESE WERE THE FEES THAT THE CITY OF DENTON CHARGED COMING DOWN TO A SINGLE FAMILY LOT WITH $11,000, WHICH IS ABOUT $5.71 PER SQUARE FOOT OF A NEW SINGLE, OR THE AVERAGE SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN DENTON.

COME 2022, IT IS NOW $19,157 OR $9.25 PER SQUARE FOOT OF THAT THAT THAT HOME OPTION ONE, OF COURSE, IS DOUBLING WHAT THAT FEE IS CURRENTLY THAT WE COLLECT ON ROADWAY IMPACT FEES.

SO WE GO FROM 2000 TO 40 4 TO 85.

THAT'S FOLLOWING A SIMILAR MODEL OF OF 20%.

WHEN WE START LOOKING AT OPTION TWO AND THREE, THEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, THAT THE THE BOTTOM NUMBERS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING TO THAT PER SQUARE FOOT AND IT GETS IT GETS QUITE SIGNIFICANT TO THE POINT THAT AND SOMEBODY HAD MADE THE POINT EARLIER THAT THE BUILDERS IT'S A PASS THROUGH.

SO ULTIMATELY IT'S GOING TO COST OUR RESIDENTS MORE MONEY.

THE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO BUILD, THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE IT TO THE RESIDENTS.

AND ARE WE ARE WE GOING TO END UP WITH A WITH A LESSER QUALITY HOUSING STOCK AS A RESULT OF PER SQUARE FOOT? THIS IS WHAT THE GOING RATE IS FOR A 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOME IN DENTON COUNTY.

VERSUS IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

SO DO I ELIMINATE BRICK? DO I ELIMINATE THESE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT MAYBE I CAN'T SEE INSULATION TYPE? OR IN ORDER FOR THIS BUILDER TO BE ABLE TO SELL THE SAME HOME BASED ON WHATEVER OUR FEES MIGHT BE? SO I HEAR THE POINT ON THE WHERE WE TALK ABOUT GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT IF WE WANT TO PROVIDE INCENTIVES FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT, IT'S JUST

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THAT THOSE INCENTIVES AREN'T NECESSARILY.

HOW WE LOOK AT THIS JUST BEING AS EQUAL AS WE CAN BE COMPREHENSIVELY ON WHAT WE NEED TO CHARGE FOR THE CITY AND AND THEN JUST TRYING TO MAKE THAT BALANCE.

SO I HOPE THAT HELPS.

I'M FEARFUL OF OF LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT AND PEOPLE BUILDING IN THE COUNTY, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE PROLIFERATION OF MUDS AND THE ABILITY FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO BUILD OUTSIDE OF OUR CORPORATE BOUNDARIES AND BE ABLE TO TO NOT HAVE TO PAY WHAT WHAT ENDS UP AT BEING EITHER SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20,040 THOUSAND IN FEES FROM THE CITY PER RESIDENTIAL LOT? NO, I TAKE YOUR CAUTION, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD THEM ROADS, YOU KNOW, BUT WE ULTIMATELY END UP WITH THE TRAFFIC WITHIN OUR CORPORATE BOUNDARIES. ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS, EVEN OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, WILL END UP IN DENTON.

AND WE HAVE THE IMPACT OF THOSE ROADWAYS.

SO ARE THE IMPACT TO OUR ROADWAYS.

THE ROADS ARE TYPICALLY BUILT BY THE DEVELOPER ANYHOW IN ANY OF THE SUBDIVISIONS, EVEN IN OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S THOSE IMPACTS TO THOSE COLLECTORS, ARTERIALS, SECONDARY ARTERIALS THAT REALLY THIS GETS INTO HOW WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS OR WIDEN.

AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO TO AUBREY OR SOME OF THOSE OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE IT'S ALL TWO LANE RURAL ROADS UNDERDEVELOPED.

AND I JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AT LEAST WE KIND OF TEMPER THAT WITH WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY AND WHERE WE COULD GO TOMORROW AND NOT TO SAY NOT TO DO IT.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WE CERTAINLY NEED TO INCREASE THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE THE DOLLARS THAT THAT WE SHOULD BE COLLECTING.

INFLATION HAS TAKEN ITS TOLL SINCE, YOU KNOW, 2016.

BUT JUST AS WE LOOK AT THAT, IT'S IT'S THE CAUTION ON HOW WE TREAT GREENFIELD VERSUS HOW IT IS WE TRY TO INCENTIVIZE INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE DON'T TAKE AND CREATE THE LEAPFROG WHERE PEOPLE ARE BUILDING OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.

BUT YET WE RECEIVE ALL OF THE ALL OF THE DETRIMENT TO THAT DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT ANY OF THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THAT THAT PROPERTY TAX AND ANY OF THE FEES THAT WE COULD COLLECT TO HELP OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR CAUTION.

BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, YOU'RE ALSO JUST TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU PUT THE ZERO SET POINT.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A FRUITFUL GROUND FOR DISCUSSION.

WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN SAY WHAT THE SET POINT IS.

ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW, WE CAN FIGURE OUT A MECHANISM TO SAY, OH, WELL, EVERYTHING IN ME IS X PERCENT OFF SOMEHOW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT BUT WE DON'T I THINK WE DO OURSELVES A DISSERVICE NOT TO WELL, FOR THE REASONS YOU KNOW BETTER THAN PROBABLY YOU TO ANYWAY BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM WHAT THE YOU KNOW, THE LESSER IMPACTS OF OF INFILL VERSUS GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK WE WE DO NEED TO SOMEHOW AND WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE BEEN ON THE PATH OF HOW IT IS THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE INFILL DEVELOPMENT, NOT NECESSARILY DISCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT, BUT ENCOURAGE INFILL.

PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO COME TO DENTON, WHETHER IT'S IN THE DENTON CORPORATE LIMITS OR IT'S IN THE DENTON AREA, MEANING OUTSIDE OF OUR CORPORATE LIMITS, HOW DO WE GET THEM TO BUILD IN INFILL WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE AND THE ROADWAY NETWORK? WE CHARGE THEM THE SAME ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT IT'S A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO BUILD IN GREENFIELD.

SO IF WE JUST MANAGE THE FEES, AS WE WOULD FOR ALL OF THE CITY, AND THEN WE JUST FIND THE INCENTIVE OF WHETHER IT'S WAIVING FEES OR REDUCING THOSE FEES BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME IMPACTS IN THE DOWNTOWN OR IN THE INFILL.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SO, COUNCILMAN WATSON, AND THEN THAT WAY YOU CAN SPEAK TO BOTH THE CITY MANAGER.

COUNCILMAN, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND SOME COMMENTS.

COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS HAD TALKED ABOUT CODIFYING.

AT WHAT STAGE DO THE NEW IMPACT FEES KICK IN? THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

DO WE HAVE THAT CURRENTLY IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE OF OUR IMPACT FEES THAT IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, BECAUSE YOU SAID WE NEED TO PUT IT IN THE ORDINANCE, WHATEVER THAT STAGE IS, THAT WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, IF YOU'RE WITHIN THIS STAGE WHEN THESE GO INTO EFFECT, THEN THEREFORE YOU ARE YOU GET TO THE OLD FEES AS COMPARED TO THE NEW. SO IS THAT CODIFIED IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE? COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT THAT ORDINANCE PREDATES ME.

I CAN TELL YOU SUBSEQUENT ORDINANCES RELATED TO OTHER MATTERS.

WE HAVE MADE SURE THAT IT'S IT'S EITHER IN THE ORDINANCE AND OR IN WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENTS ARE.

SO WE WILL TO THE FUTURE BE DOING THAT.

WELL, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT I JUST AND I GUESS I WOULD ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ORDINANCE AND JUST SEND US OUT SOMETHING WHENEVER THAT SAYS IT'S IN THERE OR IT'S NOT.

BECAUSE IF IT IS IN THERE, THEN WE'VE GOT A GOOD TEMPLATE FOR HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.

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IF IT'S NOT, WE CERTAINLY NEED TO TAKE A PRETTY HARD LOOK AT THAT.

SO AND I GUESS THIS IS FOR THE FOR THE ENGINEER SORRY WON'T BE PLAYING.

I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION THE FIRST TIME WE'VE EVER HAD IMPACT FEES FOR ROADWAYS WAS IN THE 2016 ADOPTION.

SO. RIGHT. SO WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THERE OR NOT AS FAR AS THAT'S WHAT STAGE.

RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. DATES.

BECAUSE BEFORE THAT, THEY HAD NO FEES.

THAT'S CORRECT. WE HAD TO DETERMINE A TIME WHEN THEIR NEW FEES WERE.

SO. YES, SIR. WE HAD TO HAVE HAD SOME DEFINITELY RESEARCH WE CAN DO AND.

ABSOLUTELY. SO YOU SAID THAT THE PLAN YOU'VE GOT A DRAFT OF THE PLAN THAT'S GOING TO BE SENT TO THE CITY.

DOES THE DRAFT OF THE PLAN INCLUDE THE NUMBERS THAT YOU PRESENTED HERE TODAY AS FAR AS WHAT YOU THINK THAT THE 100%, 20%, 40% WILL BE? OR ARE THERE NO NUMBERS IN THAT DRAFT REPORT? TO THAT DEGREE.

THE THE REPORT IT'S A COMPLETE REPORT PENDING ANY ANY CHANGES STAFF OR COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO MAKE TO IT.

WHAT THE REPORT CALCULATES IS THE MAXIMUM ASSESSABLE FEE PER VEHICLE MILE.

SO YOU WON'T SEE A.

THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLE CALCULATIONS AT THE NEAR THE END OF THE REPORT JUST TO SHOW HOW TO ASSESS A FEE TO A SPECIFIC LAND USE.

BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE COLLECTION RATE OPTIONS IN THAT REPORT SINCE THAT IS MORE OF AN ORDNANCE MATTER.

THE REPORT JUST LOOKING AT THE TECHNICAL COST AND GROWTH.

WHAT CAN BE ASSESSED SO THE BUT THE MAXIMUM THAT YOU CALCULATED AND YOU PRESENTED HERE TODAY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BASING WHATEVER OPTION, WHATEVER PERCENTAGE WE ARE GOING TO USE FOR OUR IMPACT FEE.

THAT CALCULATION IS THAT CALCULATION, WHETHER IT'S A HARD CALCULATION IN THE STUDY THAT REPRESENTING THE SAME NUMBER.

NOW, HOW DID WE GET THAT NUMBER? AND DOES THE STUDY INDICATE HOW WE ARRIVED AT THIS NUMBER BASED UPON EITHER VEHICLE MILES OR CHARGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YES. AND THE REPORT THERE WILL BE A MAXIMUM ASSESSABLE FEE TABLE THAT ACTUALLY HAS ABOUT 20 LINES THAT WALKS YOU THROUGH EACH LINE.

THE. EACH STEP OF THE CALCULATION TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THAT.

SO THAT DRAFT REPORT, WHICH YOU JUST MENTIONED, MATCHES THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED OR THE MAXIMUM CHARGE THAT WE COULD DO.

THOSE ARE THOSE ARE SIMILAR.

YES. OKAY.

LET'S SEE. YOU KNOW, I GUESS I.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, SO THE FEES THAT I SAW ABOUT HOW MANY FEES WERE CHARGING FOR SINGLE FAMILY OR FOR JUST A PERMIT THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE ROAD IMPACT.

I DIDN'T SEE THE ROAD IMPACT FEE.

IT WAS UP IN THERE AT THE TOP.

SO 20,000 IS WHAT IT IS.

IF WE GO TO THE 20%, I THINK IT WAS.

IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT? WE PULL THAT SLIDE BACK UP.

SO I'M TALKING ABOUT THE COLLECTION RATE.

NO, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE POINT WHERE IT SHOWS THIS IS HOW MUCH ALL THE FEES THAT THE CITY IS CHARGING FOR.

I GUESS IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY PERMIT.

THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S THE 21,600.

AND. OH, I'M SORRY.

I'M NOT SHARING.

THAT'S MY BAD. I APOLOGIZE.

I'M LOOKING AT IT. YOU'RE NOT SORRY ABOUT THAT.

YEAH, THE 19 IS CURRENT.

THE 19 K PLUS OR -100 IS CURRENT.

AND THEN THESE ARE THE OPTIONS MOVING FORWARD.

SO I GUESS WHEN I HEAR ABOUT.

THE CONVERSATION ON ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES THAT WE WANT TO GET A WAIVER ON.

AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO DECIDE, LOOK, I MEAN, BUT I GUESS I'M NOT REALLY QUITE UNDERSTANDING WHEN I HEAR THE TERM GREENFIELD.

I'M ASSUMING PEOPLE MEAN LARGE TRACTS OF LAND, BUT SO WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF AN INFILL LOT IN THE CITY OF DENTON? YOU TAKE THE. OR INFILL PARCEL.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR AN INFILL PARCEL.

MANY PEOPLE WILL USE INFILL IN VERY DIFFERENT WAYS.

WHEN WE WHEN WE SPEAK ABOUT IT INTERNALLY, AS WE TALK ABOUT INFILL DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE CORE OF THE CITY.

SO. WHEN SHE IS, ACCORDING TO YOUR ANALYSIS.

MORE IN OUR DOWNTOWN IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA, MD.

SO THAT GENERAL AREA RATHER THAN WHEN WE START GETTING OUT A LITTLE FURTHER WHERE IT MAY BE INFILL BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S DEVELOPED AROUND IT.

BUT IT WAS REALLY A LARGER TRACK GREENFIELD BEING THAT A TRACK THAT'S NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED AND THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE AND THEN LEAPFROGGING DEVELOPMENT REALLY IS JUST KIND OF PASSING ALL OF THAT TO GET OUT OF.

SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN REALLY BEGIN TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS OR PROVIDE ANY KIND OF POLICY DIRECTION BASED UPON WHATEVER AMOUNT WE'RE GOING TO USE UNTIL WE HAVE A

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PRETTY SOLID DEFINITION.

I MEAN, I'M QUITE FRANKLY SHOCKED THAT WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR.

I THOUGHT INFILL WAS IT WAS SUBJECT TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ACREAGE.

IT WAS SUBJECT TO.

I DIDN'T I MEAN, I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS THE LOOP TO 88 THAT THAT WAS THE INFIELD, NOT NOT IN THIS SAME CONTEXT.

SO SO AS WE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOW WE PROVIDE INCENTIVES FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT DOWNTOWN.

SO WE TALK IN THIS GENERAL AREA.

VERY, VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHEN WE'RE ON THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND WE'RE SPEAKING OF OF WHAT WE MIGHT BE TALKING ABOUT WITH INFILL DEVELOPMENT.

SO STAFF WOULD LIKE TO REALLY DISCUSS HOW IT IS THAT WE PROMOTE INFILL DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT'S A CONVERSATION BETWEEN.

PLANNING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, ENGINEERING.

AND WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE AND HOW IT IS THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA OF OF DOWNTOWN, NOT NECESSARILY WHEN WE GET TO THE LOOP OR JUST INSIDE THE LOOP.

THERE'S A LOT OF GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT THAT EXISTS.

WELL, THERE'S ALSO SOME LARGE TRACTS.

SO I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE US TO HAVE A A DEFINITION, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD INFILL USED A LOT TODAY.

YOU'VE DESIGNATED AS INFILL AROUND DOWNTOWN.

MAYOR PRO TEM REALLY DIDN'T.

I MEAN, HE MIGHT HAVE GONE ALONG WITH THAT, BUT HE DIDN'T REALLY SAY WHAT HE WAS THINKING.

AS FAR AS HIS COMMENTS, THE CONTEXT OF THAT, WHAT INFILL IS FOR THAT I'VE HEARD GREENFIELD.

GREENFIELD COULD BE TEN OR 20 ACRES.

THAT'S RIGHT. ON THE OUTSIDE OF A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION OR DOWN ON 1830 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO NOT HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THOSE REALLY MEAN AND WHAT ARE OUR POLICY DECISIONS REGARDING THE SPECIFIC ROAD IMPACT FEES TOWARDS THOSE DEFINITIONS? BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE HARD PRESSED TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO GIVE EITHER WAIVER HERE OR WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE MORE HERE WITHOUT SOME SPECIFIC DEFINITION THAT I CAN IDENTIFY.

OK SOMEBODY CAN LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP OR A MAP OF THE CITY AND GO, THIS PARCEL RIGHT HERE IS THIS INFILL, IS THIS GREENFIELD PURSUANT TO OR IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ROAD IMPACT FEES? AND NONE OF THIS WAS CONSIDERED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WITH WITH THIS PRESENTATION TODAY.

AND I THINK SOME OF THE CONVERSATION THAT HAD TAKEN CARE, TAKEN OR OCCURRED IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING KIND OF GETS US TO THAT POINT.

BUT STAFF HAS BEEN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION OF REALLY HOW IS IT THAT WE PROMOTE TRANSIT ORIENTED, HOW IS IT THAT WE PROMOTE DOWNTOWN? HOW IS IT THAT WE LOOK AT AND AGAIN, INFILL DEVELOPMENT IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA, THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, NOT SO MUCH IN THE SAME SENSE OF LOOKING AT THIS, BUT ALL OF OUR IMPACT FEES, WATER, WASTEWATER, ANYTHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING, CAN WE PROVIDE ANY INCENTIVES TO ENCOURAGE THAT REDEVELOPMENT? ALL I'M SAYING IS IF WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT GIVES A WAIVER BASED UPON A WORD THAT SAYS INFILL OR GREENFIELD, THAT I EXPECT THE DEFINITION IN THAT ORDINANCE, WHETHER IT'S THIS OR WASTEWATER OR SEWER OR WHATEVER IT IS, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

YEAH, IT WAS A WHOLE SEPARATE CONVERSATION FROM THIS, NOT PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.

AND I DON'T THINK ANYWHERE IN THIS THAT BECKY WAS ENTERTAINING.

ANY THOUGHTS OF WAIVING ANY OF THE FEES? THIS WAS REALLY A CONVERSATION SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD CHARGE.

THEN WE WOULD COME BACK SEPARATELY WITH A SEPARATE WORK SECTION TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE COULD PROVIDE INCENTIVES.

AND AND AGAIN, WE COULD VET WITH LEGAL ON WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE OF WHAT WE'RE ELIGIBLE TO WAIVE OR REDUCE IN FEES AND AGAIN, COMPREHENSIVELY ON ALL OF THE DIFFERENT FEES THAT THE CITY CHARGES.

SO THEN IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THIS IS COMING BACK ON DECEMBER 6TH, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT SEEM TO BE THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP TODAY, WHICH ARE GOOD CONVERSATIONS, GOOD GOOD TOPICS, GOOD THINGS THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT.

MY HUNCH IS ALL THOSE AREN'T GOING TO BE READY BY DECEMBER 6TH.

SO WE'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT'S COMING TO US DECEMBER SIX, WHICH IS SORT OF THE BASIC THING THAT WAS OUTLINED HERE.

AND THEN WE HAVE A FURTHER CONVERSATION DOWN THE ROAD SOMEWHERE.

AND WE CAN AMEND THAT ORDINANCE AS WE SEE FIT IN THAT IN THAT REGARD.

IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE, I MEAN, THIS IS A BIG CONVERSATION ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES AND THE DIFFERENT PIECES.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

MAYOR, JUST I WANT TO WRAP THIS UP, JUST SEVERAL THINGS.

ONE IS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO COME BACK AND GIVE COUNCIL A MATRIX THAT SHOWS SORT OF WHAT WE OUTLINED FOR OUR FEES, BUT SHOW SOME OF OUR OTHER CITIES SURROUNDING THAT SHOWS THEIR FEES AS WELL. CURRENT FEES, THEN THE OTHER FEES THAT THEY CHARGE AND THEN WHAT ARE THEY DOING AT THOSE FEES? WHAT KIND OF INCREASE IS IT? ALSO, THOSE SEPARATE FROM THAT, WE NEED TO PROVIDE AT SOME TIME DEFINITION OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT IS GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT? SO COUNCIL CAN MULL THAT OVER AND AND MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO DEFINE INFILL DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT IS DEFINED DIFFERENTLY, WHETHER IT'S A DOWNTOWN AND IT'S VACANT BUILDINGS OR IT'S OTHER OTHER AREAS THAT YOU FEEL THE.

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THE NEED TO REVITALIZE SO IT CAN BE DIFFERENT.

GREENFIELD SAME THING.

SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.

AND THEN FINALLY, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK AS A DISCUSSION AND INCENTIVES AND WAVERING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THINGS CENTERED AROUND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, TRANSIT ORIENTED DISTRICTS AND FOOD DESERTS.

I'M NOT SAYING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

SO WHAT CAN WE DO AND WHAT FEES CAN WE WAIVE IF WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENT IDEAS, ESPECIALLY AROUND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY? BECAUSE IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE AFTER OUR DISCUSSION TODAY WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND THOSE THOSE ALL NEED TO KIND OF BE SEPARATE BUT COME BACK.

SO, YES, THE ORDINANCE CAN BE AMENDED BASED ON INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED AND PARTICULARLY IN THE AREA OF THE INCENTIVES AND WHAT COULD BE DONE TO HELP WITH.

FURTHER WITH AFFORDABILITY OR TRANSIT ORIENTED OR.

ESPECIALLY FOOD DESERTS AS WELL.

SO I THINK THAT MAKES IT HOPEFULLY THAT'S CLEAR TO EVERYBODY AND IT MAKES SENSE.

YEAH. AND WE'RE ABOUT 20 MINUTES OVER.

I SEE YOU, COUNCILMEMBER.

WE'RE ABOUT 20 MINUTES OVER WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.

WE GOT TO BE BACK IN COUNCIL AT 630.

WE DO HAVE ANOTHER ITEM, SO WE NEED TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STEP UP OUR PACE HERE.

COUNCILMEMBER. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

I WON'T BE LONG, BUT I DID WANT TO THANK THE CITY MANAGER FOR GIVING US A GOOD SUMMARY ON WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING IN JUST A MOMENT.

BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE COLLECTION RATE DISCUSSION PAGE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO IT, BUT IT GAVE US OPTION ONE OPTION TO AN OPTION THREE.

AND FROM ALL OF THE DISCUSSION THAT I'VE HEARD, THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I LIKE TO GO LAST.

IT HELPS ME FORMULATE MY MY DECISION.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPTION TO FOR US TO AT LEAST START THE CONVERSATION WITH.

WE'VE GOT TO GO BEYOND THE BUSINESS AS USUAL, AS I UNDERSTAND FROM SCOTT, IS THAT IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT KEEPING UP WITH THAT PACE.

SO I'M SURE THAT WE NEED TO I WOULD I WOULD PREFER TO GO AHEAD AND JUST START WITH THE OPTION TWO.

BUT I ALSO HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE.

ONE IS CAN WE GIVE HIGHER INCENTIVES, INCENTIVES TO THE NON RESIDENTIAL USES? CAN WE GIVE THAT PAST 25%? ALSO OTHER THAN INDUSTRIAL, I HAVE OTHER IN CAPPING ALL INDUSTRIAL USES, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, CAPPING ALL INDUSTRIAL USES, OF COURSE. YEAH. I'LL JUST STATE DO WE CAN WE CHANGE THAT AS WELL.

IS THAT SEPARATE, CAN WE CHANGE THAT AS WELL? MIX THAT UP. FIRST OF I'LL JUST THE FIRST QUESTION, WHICH IS CAN THE DISCOUNT TO NON RESIDENTIAL USES BE CONTINUED OR CHANGED? AND THE ANSWER IS YES.

THAT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT THAT YOU WORK ON WITH STAFF IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT DISCOUNT LOOKS LIKE, HOW MUCH IT SHOULD BE.

TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE INDUSTRIAL USES, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF DIFFERENT INDUSTRIAL USES WITH DIFFERENT VEHICLE MILE RATES IN THE 2016 STUDY, AND THE POLICY DECISION WAS MADE THAT THOSE WOULD ALL BE ASSESSED AT THE RATE THAT WHERE HOUSING IS THE VEHICLE MILE RATE OF WAREHOUSING.

SO THEY'RE ALL, RATHER THAN BEING ASSESSED AT DIFFERENT RATES THROUGHOUT THAT SAME RATE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ALSO, AND FINALLY, I WANT TO SAY JUST A LITTLE BIT SOMETHING ABOUT THE INFIELD OF VERSUS THE THE GREEN SPACE. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND ABOUT AN INFIELD SPACE, AND I'M THINKING I'M ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT DISTRICT ONE, OF COURSE.

AND IF THAT'S ALWAYS CONNECTED TO SOMETHING BEING CALLED A BEDROOM COMMUNITY AND I UNDERSTAND A BEDROOM COMMUNITY AS A COMMUNITY SPACE THAT'S FILLED OUT ITSELF.

BUT IN THE CASE OF DISTRICT ONE, I THINK THAT THIS DISTRICT ONE IS FILLED OUT, BUT IT HAS SPOTS AND PIECES LIKE THAT DOWNTOWN AREA. I'M THINKING ABOUT WOODROW AND THE NEED TO GET THAT FIELD IN.

AM I CORRECT IN THINKING THAT WAY THAT A BEDROOM COMMUNITY IS A SPACE WHERE IT'S ALL FILLED OUT AND THEN IN AN URBAN TYPE CENTER, THE CORE OF THE CENTER OF THAT'S WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INFILLING, AND IT COULD BE OF ANY SIZE INSTEAD OF LOTS.

NEXT DOOR TO RESIDENCES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LARGER SPACES THAT COULD BE PART OF A PART OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AREA.

IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT IN THINKING THAT? I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, YES.

AND WE HAVE A DEFINITION IN OUR CURRENT DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT SPECIFIES INFILL DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT EXISTS TODAY AND IT'S TYPICALLY LESS THAN TWO ACRES AND IT'S PART OF A BLOCK.

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AND SOME OTHER PROVISIONS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KIND OF SOME INCENTIVES FOR WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT TERM.

BUT IT REALLY IS HOW IS IT WE PROMOTE SOME REDEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING IN THE CORE OF OUR CITY IS IS WHERE THE STAFF CONVERSATIONS WERE GOING. SO BUT INFILL DEVELOPMENT IS DEFINED IN THE DC AND IT IS ALLOWED THROUGHOUT THE CITY IF AS LONG AS SOME ELEMENTS OF THAT ARE MADE.

SO CHAPTER NINE AND THE DDC.

WELL, THOSE ARE THE TWO, TWO OR THREE THINGS THAT I HAD IN MIND.

BUT PARTICULARLY STARTING WITH OPTION TWO.

AND I WOULD HOPE THAT EVERYONE COULD BE ON BOARD WITH THAT SINCE WE ARE WE'RE BEHIND IN GROWTH.

AND IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT WE CAN HELP MOVE THAT ALONG QUICKLY, THEN I WOULD PREFER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN OPTION TO.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN DAVIS. THANK YOU.

I'M SURE IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT DEVELOPED OVER THE COURSE OF THE CONVERSATION I DIDN'T GIVE DIRECTION ON BEFORE BECAUSE I REALLY APPRECIATE STAFF BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE I HAD NOT GIVEN MUCH THOUGHT TO THIS LEAPFROG IDEA.

WE TALK A LOT ABOUT ABOUT MUDS, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THAT CONTEXT.

AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHEN I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THE FEES, I WAS THINKING ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY IN TERMS OF COMPETITOR CITIES, NOT COMPETITOR.

AND THAT'S A THAT'S A MAJOR PROBLEM FOR ME.

SO MY DIRECTION WOULD BE TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE POSSIBLY CAN ABOUT HOW TO HOW TO INCENTIVIZE BUILDING IN THE CITY OF DENTON, WHERE WE CAPTURED THAT TAX REVENUE, WHERE WE CAPTURE THOSE IMPACT FEES AND JUST THE BEST PRACTICES STAFF CAN YELL AT PROFESSIONALS AS MUCH ADVICE AS YOU CAN GIVE US ON THAT POINT, I'M VERY RECEPTIVE TO IT BECAUSE DEVELOPER CAN HAVE THEIR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO.

ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS BUILD A COUPLE OF MILES THAT WAY AND THEY GET EVERYTHING THEY EVERYTHING THEY NEED AND THEY'RE NOT.

AND THEY CAN OFFER A LESS EXPENSIVE HOME, BETTER PRICE POINT.

AND PEOPLE STILL GET ALL THE BENEFITS OF BEING IN DENTON.

AND THEN ALONG THOSE LINES, IF THERE IS A PEER CITY THAT HAS A SIMILAR PROFILE WE TALKED ABOUT LIKE OTHER CITIES NEAR US THAT WE'RE COMPETING WITH, BUT IF THERE'S A CITY IN ONE OF THESE OTHER AREAS LIKE HARRIS COUNTY, WILLIAMSON COUNTY, SO THESE PLACES WHERE WE'VE SEEN LOTS OF MUDS, IF THERE'S ANOTHER CITY THAT'S ADDRESSED THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE, IT'D BE VERY HELPFUL TO KNOW KIND OF WHAT THEIR LESSONS LEARNED WOULD BE.

IF WE HAVE SUCH A THING, NO PROBLEM.

WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS BOTH OF THOSE CONCERNS.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? NO. NO ANSWER NEEDED JUST TO ADD WHEN WHEN YOU COME BACK ONE.

I'D ASK FOR A.

TO SHOW YOUR WORK ON THE JUST SO PEOPLE THAT LOOK AT THE PRESENTATION BEFORE WE GET HERE OR DURING THE MEETING.

SO FOR EXAMPLE SLIDE NUMBER.

GETTING THERE SO PERFECT THE ROAD IMPACT FEE CALCULATIONS WITHOUT FINANCING, YOU KNOW, IT HAS THE NUMBERS IN YOU ARTICULATED THE MATH, BUT SOMEWHERE, IF YOU CAN PUT THOSE IN KIND OF THE COLUMNS OR MARGINS OR SOMETHING, HEY, HERE'S THE HERE'S THIS WITH THIS REPRESENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO SOMEONE BASICALLY COULD LOOK AT THE POWERPOINT AND DO THAT MATH AND TRACK ALONG WITH YOU THEN TO.

BECKY. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS WHERE WE DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE ROAD AND THE SIDEWALKS, ETC., ETC..

IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE THAT GRAPHIC REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT ROAD IMPACT FEES CAN BE SPENT ON SIGNAL LIGHTS, ETC., ETC., YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS ROAD IMPACT FEES CAN BE SPENT ON THESE THINGS, NOT ON THOSE THINGS.

THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME BECAUSE IT'S JUST A GOOD REMINDER, A GOOD CHEAT SHEET.

AND THEN ADDING TO YOUR LIST, TYPING FURIOUSLY AND ADDING TO THE CITY MANAGER'S LIST.

SO YOU MENTIONED TRANSIT, FOOD, BANK OR FOOD DESERT AFFORDABILITY.

AND THEN I'D LIKE TO ADD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO THAT.

IF WE BECAUSE THE COST OF MONEY.

RIGHT. IF WE CAN ADD IF WE'RE GOING TO INCENTIVIZE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEAL, THEN I'D BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OR WHAT OUR OUR BUMPERS ARE THERE.

AND THEN SCOTT BRILLIANT EXAMPLE.

SCOTT ON BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS THINK ABOUT THIS, I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT THE EXTERIOR AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FEES AND PASS THROUGH AND YOU'RE SPOT ON THE THINGS YOU CAN'T SEE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS, RIGHT? SO ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GET THE SUPER CHEAP SHEETROCK OR SUPER CHEAP INSULATION OR, YOU KNOW, ONE PLUG EVERY 38

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WALLS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN.

BUT THAT'S INSIDE, RIGHT? SO JUST A GREAT POINT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

THAT'S THAT'S REALLY SMART AND YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S EVERYTHING.

SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

LOOK FORWARD TO IT COMING BACK.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.

LOOK FORWARD TO TO WHAT YOU BRING BACK TO US.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO IT IS 522.

I'M GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE 10 MINUTES MAX.

WE'RE GOING TO START AND AT 532 TO TRY TO GET OUT OF HERE.

SO YOU HAVE TO EAT IN HERE.

SO TEN MINUTE BREAK.

WE'LL BE BACK AT 532 TO START THE SECOND WORK SESSION.

DINNER'S HERE. AND WELCOME BACK TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

WE ARE ON OUR SECOND SESSION ITEM AND I'LL CALL THAT IT'S ID 221677.

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on the development of a Comprehensive Diversion Ordinance for the City of Denton. :[Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

RECEIVE REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF A COMPREHENSIVE DIVERSION ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF DENTON.

YES.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR.

COUNCIL. MY NAME IS TAMMY CLAWSON.

I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR THE SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING DEPARTMENT.

TODAY'S AGENDA WILL BE INTRODUCING A CONCEPT OF A COMPREHENSIVE DIVERSION ORDINANCE.

AS A REMINDER, THE CITY IS A SOLE PROVIDER FOR ALL TRASH SERVICES, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

FOR RESIDENTIAL, WE PROVIDE PROGRAMMATIC RECYCLING AND FOR OUR COMMERCIAL SECTOR, WE ARE AN OPEN MARKET, WHICH MEANS THE CUSTOMER CAN EITHER CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF DENTON OR WITH A THIRD PARTY.

PROGRAMMATIC MATERIALS ARE ITEMS LIKE CARDBOARD, GLASS, PLASTICS, ONE THROUGH SEVEN ALUMINUM CANS, STEEL CANS, NON PROGRAMMATIC MATERIALS, OR ITEMS LIKE TEXTILES, PLASTIC FILM AND OTHER ITEMS THAT DON'T FIT INTO OUR EVERYDAY PROGRAM.

TODAY, WE'LL ALSO BE TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR COMPREHENSIVE, SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT STRATEGY, WILL BE REVIEWING KEY ELEMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE AND ASKING FOR DIRECTIONS AND NEXT STEPS.

OUR COMPREHENSIVE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT STRATEGY WAS ADOPTED IN JULY OF 2022.

IT SERVES AS A GUIDE FOR THE CITY'S FUTURE SOLID WASTE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM REGARDING INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAMS AND POLICIES.

ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS WAS IDENTIFIED AS AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL SECTORS TO INCREASE PARTICIPATION AND CREATE A STANDARDIZATION. AND SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MULTIFAMILY, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TALK ABOUT THE RECYCLING CENTERS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED TO PROVIDE APARTMENT RESIDENTS WITHOUT PROPERTY ACCESS, ACCESS TO RECYCLING.

WE HAVE TWO RECYCLING CENTERS IN THE CITY OF DENTON, ONE AT THE NORTH LAKES AND ONE ONSITE AT THE LANDFILL.

CURRENTLY, 43% OF THE USERS OF THE NOT ARE NON CITY OF DENTON RESIDENTS.

WE HAVE AN UPCOMING RE DESIGNATION OF THE NORTH LAKES RECYCLING CITY, WHERE IT WILL BE UTILIZED AS PARKING FOR A NEW TENNIS CENTER.

WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY TO PERMANENTLY CLOSE THE NORTH LAKES FACILITY BY JUNE 30TH OF 2023 TO COINCIDE WITH THIS RE DESIGNATION.

IN SEPTEMBER, THERE WAS A TEMPORARY CLOSURE OF THE NORTH LAKES RECYCLING AND WE WERE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY DIVERT CUSTOMERS FROM NORTH LAKES TO THE LANDFILL WITH THE RECYCLING CENTER.

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT MIGHT BE CONCERNED ABOUT LONG LINES, BACK IN JULY, WE FOUND A FEW SOLUTIONS.

WE TOOK ALL THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND MOVE THEM TO THE OLD MAIL LANE SO WE COULD BASICALLY CUT THE LINE IN HALF.

WE ALSO TOOK ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL OR ALL THE RECYCLING CUSTOMERS OUT OF THAT LINE AND ARE NOW PROCESSING PROCESSING THEM THROUGH THE HCC FACILITY.

ALSO, IN JULY, WE IMPLEMENTED OUR NEW SCALE HEALTH SOFTWARE, STRONG DATA, AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REDUCE TRANSACTION TIME SIGNIFICANTLY.

THIS IS WHERE WE GET INTO THE METRICS THAT HELP GUIDE OUR DECISION TO IMPLEMENT A COMPREHENSIVE DIVERSION ORDINANCE.

LAST YEAR, SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING HAULED 93,013 TONS OF COMMERCIAL TRASH, AND RECYCLING.

OF THAT, 90,565 WAS TRASH.

2448 WAS RECYCLING, GIVING US A 3% DIVERSION RATE.

THE CITY HAS 2835 COMMERCIAL TRASH CUSTOMERS.

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OF THOSE, ONLY 484 HAVE RECYCLING, WITH THE CITY OF DENTON GIVING US A 17% PARTICIPATION RATE.

THE CAVEAT HERE IS THAT WE'RE NOT CAPTURING THIRD PARTY VENDORS, SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A HIGHER THAN 3% DIVERSION AND A HIGHER PARTICIPATION RATE.

BUT WHAT THESE NUMBERS ARE TELLING US IS THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE DIVERSION BY REQUIRING REPORTING BY THIRD VENDORS.

AND WE ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE PARTICIPATION BY COLLECTING THE DATA OF THOSE THIRD PARTY VENDORS AND REQUIRING EVERYONE TO RECYCLE.

IN 2020.

BYRNES AND MCDONALD ARE CONTRACTED FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT STRATEGY, PERFORMED A WASTE CHARACTERIZATION STUDY IN OUR COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY.

WHILE THIS WAS A SMALL SNAPSHOT IN TIME AND A SMALL SAMPLE SET, IT PRODUCED SOME REALLY SIGNIFICANT DATA.

AND SHORTLY AFTER THE CITY OF DENTON'S WASTE CHARACTERIZATION STUDY, THERE WAS A LARGER WASTE CHARACTER CHARACTERIZATION STUDY DONE FOR ALL OF NORTH TEXAS THAT PRODUCED SIMILAR RESULTS, BASICALLY VALIDATING OUR SMALL SAMPLE SITE.

WHAT THE WASTE CHARACTERIZATION STUDY DID WAS TOOK THE TRASH AND IDENTIFIED WHAT ALL THE CONTENTS WERE.

SO WHAT ENCOMPASSED OUR TRASH WITH OUR SMALL MULTIFAMILY SAMPLE? WHAT WAS IDENTIFIED WAS 42% OF THE TRASH WAS MADE UP OF PROGRAMMATIC RECYCLABLE MATERIALS.

IN OUR COMMERCIAL SAMPLE, 55% OF THE TRASH WAS IDENTIFIED AS PROGRAMMATIC MATERIALS.

WHAT THIS DATA IS SHOWING US IS OF THE PREVIOUS SLIDES, 90,565 TONS OF TRASH.

WE HAVE A POSSIBILITY OF COLLECTING 42 TO 55% OF PROGRAMMATIC MATERIALS OUT OF THAT TRASH AND DIVERT IT.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, RIGHT NOW IT'S BEING LANDFILLED.

ANOTHER METRIC THAT WE WE TRACK IS RECYCLING CONTAMINATION.

AND THE REASON WE TRACK THIS RECYCLING CONTAMINATION IS TO ENSURE THAT THE RECYCLING STREAM IS OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY. WE WANT TO PRODUCE THE BEST QUALITY RECYCLING AND RECYCLE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

FOR FISCAL YEAR 2223, OUR ANNUAL GOAL WAS 41%.

YOU CAN SEE THAT WITH THE GRAY LINE ON THIS LINE GRAPH FOR FISCAL YEAR 2122, WE HAD AN ANNUAL AVERAGE OF 41%, WHICH WAS 14% BELOW THE YEAR BEFORE.

AND I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO SAY ME, WHY IS YOUR GOAL THE SAME AS YOUR YEAR END AND THE BUDGET SEASON? WE WERE TRENDING AT 43%.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT MARCH, APRIL, MAY AND JUNE, WE WERE TRENDING SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER.

SO WE WEREN'T QUITE SURE WHERE THE YEAR WAS GOING TO END UP END UP.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORANGE DOT WITH THE RED ARROW POINTING AT IT, WE HAD LAST MONTH FOR OCTOBER, A 43% CONTAMINATION RATE, WHICH WAS 3% LOWER THAN LAST OCTOBER.

THE SIGNIFICANCE OF WATCHING OUR CONTAMINATION RATE WILL ALLOW US TO HELP PINPOINT OUR EDUCATION AND OUTREACH TO HELP INFORM CUSTOMERS OF WHAT A CONTAMINANT IS AND THE PROPER WAY TO RECYCLE.

OUR KEY ELEMENTS OF OUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE WILL REQUIRE THAT ALL ENTITIES IMPLEMENT A DIVERSION OR RECYCLING PLAN.

REQUIREMENTS FROM THE CUSTOMER WILL BE TO SUBMIT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS A DIVERSION PLAN.

THEIR CHOICES FOR DIVERSION OF NOT OF PROGRAMMATIC MATERIALS WILL BE TO EITHER CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OR A THIRD PARTY.

THE CHOICES FOR NON PROGRAMMATIC MATERIALS WILL BE TO CONTRACT WITH A THIRD PARTY OR PERFORM IN-HOUSE.

OUR REQUIREMENTS FROM A THIRD PARTY DIVERSION VENDORS OR IN-HOUSE PROGRAMS WILL BE TO OBTAIN A PERMIT WITH THE CITY WHICH IS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED.

WE WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE DONATION BOXES INTO THAT PERMIT PART AND THEN WE WILL ALSO ADD A QUARTERLY DIVERSION.

TONNAGES REPORTING TO THE CITY.

OUR ORDINANCE DEVELOPED TIMELINE WILL SPAN OVER 18 MONTHS, DURING WHICH WE WILL HAVE EXTENSIVE OUTREACH AND EDUCATION TO THE RESIDENTS AND THE PUBLIC.

WE PLAN TO HAVE OUR DRAFT ORDINANCE COMPLETED BY JANUARY OF 2023 WITH AN IMPLEMENTATION COMPLETION BY JUNE 2024.

NEXT STEPS ARE TO RECEIVE DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK ON TODAY'S PRESENTATION.

WE'D LIKE TO RECEIVE DIRECTION TO CREATE A COMPREHENSIVE DIVERSION ORDINANCE WHERE ALL COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY UNITS WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A DIVERSION PLAN.

WE'LL BE REQUIRING PERMITTING, WHICH IS CURRENTLY IMPLEMENTED, AND WE'LL ALSO ADD REPORTING REQUIREMENTS TO THOSE 33RD PARTY PROVIDERS AND WILL INCLUDE IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULE WE WHERE WE WILL BE DIVIDING UP THE CUSTOMERS INTO DIFFERENT GROUPS.

SO NOT EVERYBODY COMES ON ONLINE AT THE SAME TIME.

AND THEN WE WOULD LIKE SUPPORT OF THE CLOSURE OF NORTH LAKES RECYCLING EITHER BY JUNE 2023 OR EARLIER, IF POSSIBLE.

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AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

OKAY. VERY GOOD.

PERFECT. THANK YOU.

WELL DONE AND WELCOME.

THANK YOU. MAYOR.

PRO TEM AND THEN COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO ON.

SO THE IDEA. I DIDN'T SEE A THRESHOLD FOR THE RECOMMENDATION FOR COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY.

SO I GUESS IS THE IDEA ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING IN TERMS OF A GOAL, A THRESHOLD FOR DIVERSION.

YOU SAID A PLAN, BUT ARE WE ARE WE PUTTING A NUMBER ON THE PLAN? WELL, WE'D LIKE 100% OF ALL OF OUR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS TO RECYCLE.

SO WHETHER THAT BE WITH THE CITY OF DENTON OR A THIRD PARTY, THERE ARE SOME CUSTOMERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY RECYCLING IN HOUSE THAT TETRA PACKS THE PETERBILT WHO HAVE A ZERO WASTE PLAN AND THEY'RE RECYCLING RIGHT NOW.

SO THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

THEY WOULD JUST NEED TO HELP REPORT THE DATA THAT THEY'RE ALREADY THE TONNAGES THAT THEY'RE DIVERTING.

SUBWAY. GREAT.

AND THEN. SO THAT HELPS ME A LITTLE BIT.

BUT IN GENERAL, THE IDEA IS JUST WE NEED TO START AT REPORTING WHETHER YOU'RE A ZERO DIVERSION OR 100% OR WHATEVER IT IS THEIR NUMBER IS. BUT MOSTLY YOU'RE ASKING FOR A REPORT OF WHAT YOU'RE DIVERTING AND REQUIRING THEM TO DIVERT SOMETHING.

SO THEY IF THEY DIVERT 2%, WE'RE HAPPY AND THEN WE'LL WORK WITH THAT IN THE FUTURE.

IS THAT THE IDEA? EXACTLY.

AND THEN SO THEN HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE CORRELATION OF THE CLOSURE OF NORTH LAKES WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE DIVERSION PLAN IS THE IDEA THAT THOSE TWO COUPLED MEANS THAT OUR MULTIFAMILY AND OUR COMMERCIAL, WE DON'T NEED NORTH LAKES ANYMORE BECAUSE THAT REQUIREMENT DIVERTS EVERYTHING TO THE LANDFILL.

CORRECT? SO RIGHT NOW THE RECYCLING CENTERS WERE IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE THOSE MULTIFAMILY UNITS DID NOT HAVE A RECYCLING PLAN.

BUT WITH THIS ORDINANCE, THEY'LL BE THE THE UNIT OWNERS WILL BE REQUIRED TO RECYCLE, TO HAVE SOME SORT OF RECYCLING PLAN.

SO THE NEED FOR THE RECYCLING CENTER WILL BE MOVED.

OKAY. AND MY FINAL QUESTION JUST FOR THE MOMENT IS THEN THE THE IDEA IS THAT THEN ALL IF YOU HAVE EXCESS RECYCLING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE TO THE I FORGET THE ACRONYM H, THE HOME CHEMICAL COLLECTION OR ANY OF THE OTHERS, THAT AT THIS POINT ALL, ALL SUCH MATERIALS WOULD BE TAKEN BY THE RESIDENTS OR THE COMMERCIAL VENDOR OR THE MULTIFAMILY THROUGH A THIRD PARTY OR HOWEVER EVERYTHING IS GOING TO THE LANDFILL THERE, THERE OR TO CURBSIDE FOR RESIDENTIAL.

YES. SO THE THIRD PARTY VENDORS AREN'T REQUIRED TO BRING IT TO US.

THEY CAN GO WHEREVER THEY WANT.

SO IF THEY WANTED TO TRACK IT ALL THE WAY UP TO OKLAHOMA, THEY COULD.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. WHAT'S THE MARKET LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW FOR RECYCLABLES? WE KNOW IT'S KIND OF BEEN UP AND DOWN, MOSTLY DOWN.

BUT CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS CASE FOR DIVERSION? WE KNOW THE ENVIRONMENTAL CASE.

THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR. BUT CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS CASE? WE CAN WE TRANSLATE SPACE IN OUR CAN WE? CAN WE KIND OF QUANTIFY SPACE IN OUR LANDFILL AND HOW MUCH THAT COSTS US OVER TIME AND HOW MUCH WE'RE SAVING BY DIVERTING OUT OF SPACE IN OUR LANDFILL AND COMPARE THAT TO KIND OF. COMPOUND THAT WITH WHATEVER.

WHATEVER WE'RE GETTING ON THAT IN THE RECYCLABLES MARKET, WHICH I KNOW IS NOT GREAT.

YEAH, IT'S A CARDBOARD TENDS TO BE THE THE ONE ITEM THAT WE CAN GET THE MOST MONEY FOR.

THERE ARE A FEW OF THE RECYCLE THE PLASTICS THAT HAVE GONE UP IN PRICE RECENTLY, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S THE LIFE OF THE LANDFILL.

AND I DON'T HAVE THE THE NUMBER OF WHAT A SQUARE FOOT SAVING OF THE LANDFILL IS, BUT BEING ABLE TO DIVERT IT ALLOWS US TO KEEP A LONGER LIFESPAN OF THAT LANDFILL. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 34 YEARS.

SO IF WE CAN DIVERT 40% OF THE CURRENT TRASH THAT'S GOING IN THERE, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO INCREASE THAT LIFESPAN, WHICH COSTS THE TAXPAYERS MONEY.

RIGHT NOW. IT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT NUMBER BECAUSE ESPECIALLY FOLKS IN OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY, THEY PAY ATTENTION TO THAT SECONDARY MARKET.

THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT SELLING AS MANY RECYCLABLES TO CHINA LIKE WE DID BEFORE.

THEY KNOW WHAT THAT MARKET IN THE ABSTRACT, WHATEVER THEY LAST READ IN THE JOURNAL OR THE ECONOMIST OR WHATEVER, THEY KNOW THOSE NUMBERS IN THE ABSTRACT.

IT'D BE HELPFUL TO HELP US MAKE THE BUSINESS CASE FOR DIVERSION IN ADDITION TO JUST THE ENVIRONMENTAL CASE.

SO ONE THING I'LL JUST SAY ON THAT AND I CAN TRY AND GET THOSE NUMBERS TO YOU, BUT NO MATTER WHAT, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO, THAT THAT TONNAGE IS BEING COLLECTED.

SO WHETHER OR NOT IT GOES TO THE LANDFILL OR WHETHER IT GOES TO OUR RECYCLER, IT'S STILL ON THE ROAD.

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IT'S STILL GOING HERE. SO THE THE PRICE IMPACT, IT'S STILL KIND OF THE SAME.

WE'RE JUST SPLITTING UP BETWEEN THE LANDFILL AND RECYCLING IT.

SURE. JUST BEING ABLE TO PUT IT IN TERMS THAT THOSE FOLKS CAN COMMUNICATE BEST IN.

I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO NORTH LAKES HERE IN A SECOND.

I WANT TO I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER TO THE DIVERSION.

HAVING A DIVERSION PLAN WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO EITHER HAVE A IF IT'S A SMALL BUSINESS, TO HAVE A BLUE BIN WITH US, IF IT'S A LARGE BUSINESS TO HAVE A DUMPSTER WITH US OR SOME OTHER OR THIRD PARTY PROVIDER, IS THERE ANY KIND OF REQUIREMENT FOR USING THE BIN? SO LET'S SAY I'M A SMALL BUSINESS AND I DON'T THINK IT'S THE ONLY THING IT'S WORTH.

MY EMPLOYEES TIME TO SEPARATE OUT THE WHITE PAPER FROM THE REGULAR TRASH.

AND SO I JUST OFFER ONE ONE KIND OF TRASH BIN INSIDE MY FACILITY, AND THEN I PAY FOR THE IDIOT'S HIDEOUS LITTLE BLUE BIN I CAN GET FROM DENTON.

AND IT JUST SITS THERE AND I NEVER USE IT.

HAVE I SATISFIED MY REQUIREMENT FOR HAVING A DIVERSION PLAN, EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT REALLY DIVERTING ANYTHING? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IN THEORY, YES, I WOULD SAY THERE'S A FINANCIAL IMPACT.

THE RECYCLING COSTS LESS.

SO I THINK $2.50 LESS.

SO AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD SEE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT.

IF THEY'RE NEEDING A EIGHT YARD WITH TRASH, IDEALLY THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO NEED A FOUR YARD WITH TRASH AND A FOUR YARD WITH THE RECYCLING AND IT WOULD COST THEM LESS.

SO I WOULD HOPE THEY WOULD BE USING IT IN THE LONG RUN, IT WOULD COST THEM LESS MONEY.

DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF PLANS FOR EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS FOR I KNOW WE HAVE WE HAVE TO HAVE PLANS FOR SOME KIND OF EDUCATIONAL MATERIAL.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO PASS AN ORDINANCE AND THEN SURPRISE, WE'RE BRINGING YOUR YOUR WE'RE BRINGING YOUR YOUR NEW TRASH BIN AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT WHEREVER WHEREVER WE SEE FIT TO PUT IT. I'M SURE THERE'S KIND OF A ROLLOUT INTENDED.

ARE WE ARE WE BUILDING THOSE KIND OF THAT BUSINESS CASE OR ARE WE BUILDING THAT INTO OUR EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS OR.

SO YES, IT WOULD.

WE HAVE WE CURRENTLY HAVE A BUSINESS ACCOUNT COORDINATOR THAT GOES OUT AND ONE OF HER JOBS IS TO GO OUT INTO THE FIELD AND AUDIT THESE RECYCLING BINS AND SEE HOW MUCH CONTAMINATION IS AND TRY AND EDUCATE THE THE THE USERS ONSITE.

WE ALSO HAVE STICKERS THAT WE PUT ON THE RECYCLING MATERIALS.

AND PART OF THE ROLLOUT WOULD BE THIS PUBLIC OUTREACH AND EDUCATION PIECE, BEING ABLE TO TELL THEM WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THE IN THE BIN AND WHAT OPTIONS THEY HAVE FOR RECYCLING. SO THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT PART OF WHAT WE WOULD BE IMPLEMENTING.

AND AS I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S PROPOSED, THIS IS EVERY EVERY COMMERCIAL COUNT, EVERY SINGLE ONE, LARGE, SMALL, WHETHER THEY'VE HAD RECYCLING FOR A LONG TIME OR WHETHER THEY'RE A ROLL OFF PUSHCART BIN OR WHETHER THEY THEY MERIT A LARGER CONTAINER WITH MORE FREQUENT EMPTYING.

DO WE HAVE A IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ON THAT SLIDE, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

DO WE HAVE A SENSE FOR HOW MANY OF THOSE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS RIGHT NOW ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR SOME SOME TYPE OF RECYCLING SERVICE? SO THE THE ONES THAT WE KNOW OF, THERE'S A 17% PARTICIPATION RATE OUT OF ALL OF THE TRASH CUSTOMERS.

THE CITY OF DENTON HAS 484 CUSTOMERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY PARTICIPATING IN RECYCLING WITH THE CITY OF DENTON.

WE DON'T, HOWEVER, KNOW HOW MANY ARE PARTICIPATING WITH THIRD, THIRD PARTY VENDORS BECAUSE IT'S AN OPEN MARKET.

THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY EXCUSE ME, I APOLOGIZE.

THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT NORTH LAKE.

AND IT WAS IT WAS BEFORE YEAR HERE AT THE CITY, I THINK.

BUT THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT NORTH LAKES, I THINK RESIDENTS WERE PRETTY CLEAR THAT THEY WANTED AN ADDITIONAL NOT ACROSS TOWN OPTION.

AND WE TALKED EXTENSIVELY AT THAT TIME ABOUT SOME DOWNTOWN OPTIONS.

SOME OF THOSE WERE SUITABLE, SOME WERE NOT.

WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN.

I GOT A LOT OF VERY CLEAR FEEDBACK FROM FOLKS WHO ARE IN THAT 57% OF THE NORTH LAKES USERS THAT ARE OUR RESIDENTS.

SOME OF THEM WOULD BE CAPTURED BY THEIR APARTMENT COMPLEX HAVING IT AVAILABLE.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORICALLY, THAT WASN'T THE ONLY MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON WE'VE KEPT IT OPEN.

BUT THAT WASN'T THE ONLY REASON WE OPENED NORTH LAKES, WHY WE HAD THE OLD CUPBOARD PICK UP OR DROP OFF.

RATHER, A LOT OF FOLKS MAKE USE OF THOSE FACILITIES AND WHEN WE DROPPED THE CUPBOARD DROP OFF, WE HEARD ABOUT IT A LOT FROM PEOPLE WHO USED TO BE ABLE TO JUST DRIVE DOWNTOWN TO DROP OFF THEIR CHRISTMAS BOXES OR THEIR SHREDDED PAPER OR WHATEVER IT WAS THAT THEY WERE DROPPING OFF.

SO MY MY DIRECTION, I THINK, WOULD NOT BE TO CLOSE NORTH LAKES WITHOUT A REPLACEMENT OF SOME KIND.

I THINK WE WILL OFFSET SOME OF THE NEED FOR NORTH LAKES OR A FACILITY LIKE NORTH LAKES WITH A I'LL CALL IT, I GUESS A UNIVERSAL OR A GLOBAL PROGRAM.

I DON'T THINK WE OFFSET THE ENTIRE NEED.

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I DON'T THINK WE OFFSET THE WE COULD MAYBE PICK UP SOME OF THAT WITH LIKE AN AFTER CHRISTMAS SPECIAL HALL OFF EVENT, YOU KNOW, PUT ALL YOUR CARDBOARD ON THE CURB AND WE'RE GOING TO COME GET IT. BUT WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO NEED SOME KIND OF YOU DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE ACROSS TOWN TO GET THERE.

AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE ANOTHER SOLID WASTE FACILITY ACROSS 35 FOR HUNTER AND COLE.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOMETHING.

SO WHAT MY MY REBUTTAL TO THAT WOULD BE THE WITH THIS ORDINANCE, IT WOULD REQUIRE EVERYONE TO HAVE ACCESS ON SITE TO RECYCLING.

SO NOBODY'S GOING TO THE NEED FOR THEM TO DRIVE TO A RECYCLING CENTER WILL NO LONGER BE THERE.

RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.

IT'S A QUESTION OF VOLUME.

SO IT MAY BE THAT THEIR APARTMENT COMPLEX HAS IT THERE.

IT MAY BE FULL. IT MAY BE FULL OF A COUCH, IT MIGHT HAVE A MATTRESS IN IT.

IT MAY BE THAT THERE THAT THE SMALL BIN THEY USUALLY USE IS NOT ADEQUATE TO WHATEVER THEIR RECYCLING TASK IS.

WE HAD VERY EXTENSIVE FEEDBACK ON THIS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE BLUE BINS AT THEIR HOUSES ALREADY.

THE LAST TIME WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CLOSING NORTH LAKES.

SO MY DIRECTION WOULD BE NOT TO CLOSE NORTH LAKES WITHOUT AT LEAST SOME KIND OF REPLACEMENT, EVEN IF IT'S MUCH REDUCED IN SCALE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

SO I HAVE A BLUE BIN AND REGULARLY USE THE DROP OFF BECAUSE LARGE CARDBOARD BOXES DON'T FIT IN MY BLUE BED. SO I MEAN, I GUESS I COULD CUT THEM UP AND LIKE, SPACE THEM OUT.

BUT I PRETTY FREQUENTLY HAVE A VAN FULL OF CARDBOARD BOXES THAT I NEED TO DROP OFF FOR ME.

AND WHERE I LIVE, THE LANDFILL IS ACTUALLY MORE CONVENIENT THAN NORTH LAKES AND IN FACT I HAD A LOAD TO DROP OFF WHEN NORTH LAKES WAS CLOSED.

I FORGOT THAT NORTH LAKES WAS CLOSED, SO I DROVE ALL THE WAY UP TO NORTH LAKES AND THEN I WENT, OH, I NEED TO GO TO THE LANDFILL.

AND THEN I WENT TO THE LANDFILL AND IT WAS QUICK AND EASY AND I DIDN'T HAVE TO WAIT AT ALL.

AND IT WAS TOTALLY GREAT.

I THINK THERE MIGHT BE AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE FOR INCLUDING AN ADDITIONAL DROP OFF AT THE PROPERTY THAT WE JUST PURCHASED TO BE A TRANSFER STATION OVER IN THE HUNTER RANCH AREA.

JUST SO THE FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THAT PART OF TOWN DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE SO FAR TO THE LANDFILL.

BUT THE LANDFILL IS ACTUALLY, I THINK, PRETTY CENTRALLY LOCATED FOR MAYBE NOT FOR COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, BUT FOR A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE IN THE CITY.

SO THAT'S THAT'S I'M FINE WITH WITH JUST GOING DOWN TO THE LANDFILL AND MAYBE LOOKING AT OPENING AN ADDITIONAL ONE AT A LATER TIME IF IF IT'S CALLED FOR. JUST ON THAT NOTE, IF IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AND THE CONCERN IS CARDBOARD BOXES, WE ARE LOOKING AT HOW MANY CURRENT RESIDENTS ARE PUTTING CARDBOARD BOXES ON THE OUTSIDE OF THEIR CART.

SO WE WE'RE GOING TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT NOW.

AND WE MIGHT IMPLEMENT SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE THE BAG OUTSIDE OF THE TRASH BIN.

BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT DATA STILL.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? I MEAN, NO. COUNCILMEMBER WHAT'S.

I WAS LOOKING AT MY NOTES AND YEAH, A COUPLE OF THINGS.

AND I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE DROP OFF, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU WHENEVER YOU HAVE A DUMPSTER OUT SOMEWHERE, THE MATTRESSES, THE COUCHES WIND UP IN THOSE THINGS AS WELL.

SO I GET THAT.

BUT I'VE ALSO HAD PEOPLE SEND ME PICTURES OF NORTH LAKES BEFORE IT WAS CLOSED AND IT JUST LOOKED LIKE IT WAS TERRIBLE.

I MEAN, JUST TERRIBLE.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FIX THAT.

THE WAY I FIXED IT ON SOME OF MY SMALLER PROJECTS, I CONVERTED FROM A DUMPSTER TO CARTS AND THAT.

SO I THINK I THINK REALLY YOUR LARGE MULTIFAMILY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE OKAY.

BUT YOU'VE GOT TO REALLY START THINKING ABOUT YOUR SMALL MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR MANY, MANY YEARS THAT DON'T HAVE THE SPACE FOR A LARGE DUMPSTER, BUT TO PROVIDE A BLUE CART OR A COUPLE OF THEM BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF UNITS.

IT'S WORKED OUT REAL FINE.

NOW. THE PROBLEM IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A DUMPSTER THAT'S EITHER SIDE LOADED OR FRONT LOADED AND YOU HAVE BLUE BINS, YOU'RE STILL SETTING THE BINS OUT BY THE CURB. SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE ROUTES.

BUT I THINK YOU CAN I THINK YOU CAN MAKE A LOT OF HEADWAY WITH PROVIDING BLUE BINS TO SMALL TO MEDIUM SIZED MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS.

THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SPACE FOR THAT.

AND IT'S WORKED OUT.

I'VE DONE THAT ON SEVERAL OF MINE AND IT'S WORKED OUT REAL WELL NOW, WHETHER PEOPLE USE IT OR NOT, AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY ALSO THROW TRASH IN THERE.

SO IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF EDUCATING THEM AND TRYING.

BUT YET PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE.

SO IT'S JUST IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PROVIDING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY.

AND AND BUT I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE KEY TO GETTING THE SMALL MULTIFAMILY PARTICIPATION IS HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT AS CONVENIENT AS POSSIBLE?

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BECAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT A SIX UNIT, YOU DON'T NEED SIX BLUE CARDS, YOU JUST DON'T.

I MEAN, BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IF IT'S DROPPED, IF IT'S PICKED UP ONCE A WEEK.

SO THOSE ARE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT.

AND I'M TRYING TO THINK, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH. AND I THINK A WAY TO IF YOU CAN FIND A WAY TO HELP WITH THE LARGE CARDBOARD BOXES, I MEAN, BECAUSE I WOUND UP JUST CUTTING THEM UP AND STICKING THEM IN THE BLUE BAND, WHICH IS SORT OF A HASSLE, BUT IT WORKS.

BUT IF THERE'S A WAY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT.

WELL, AND TO ADDRESS YOUR LARGER CONTAINERS AT MULTIFAMILY, EVEN AT SOME OF YOUR SMALLER OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE HAD WE'VE, WE'VE REALIZED SIGNIFICANT SUCCESS BY INSTALLING CHUTE WHAT WE CALL CHUTE RESTRICTOR LIDS AND LOCKS ON THESE.

SO BASICALLY YOU CAN ONLY GET SMALLER THINGS.

SO IN WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO INCREASE THE VOLUME AND REDUCE THE CONTAMINATION IN THESE IN THESE MULTIFAMILY BINS BECAUSE OF THESE RESTRICTOR.

SO I THINK THERE'S SOME SOME BY PUTTING SOME PHYSICAL CONTROLS IN PLACE AND RIGHTSIZING THE SERVICE LEVEL TO THE FACILITY, WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING SIGNIFICANT RESULTS AND REALLY ADDS TO THE VALUE OF THE MATERIAL THAT WE'RE BRINGING IN.

SO WE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND ALSO APPRECIATE WHAT THE COMMENTS THAT YOU'RE BRINGING US.

YEAH. SO QUESTION ON WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY, THERE'S A LOCK ON THE TOP, THERE'S A SLIT IN THE TOP THAT ONLY CERTAIN THINGS CAN FIT THROUGH, SORT OF LIKE I GUESS YOU HAD OUT OF THE LANDFILL AT ONE POINT, CORRECT.

WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR UNLOCKING THAT ON THE DAY OF PICKUP? ACTUALLY, THERE, GRAVITY LOCKS.

SO ONCE THE FORKS GO IN AND THEY COME UP, IT UNLOCKS ITSELF, THE LIDS OPEN.

AND WHEN YOU PUT IT BACK DOWN, THE LOCK CLOSES.

GOOD DEAL. OKAY. YEAH, GREAT.

AND THEN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, THEIR UTILITY FOLKS USUALLY HAVE A KEY SO THAT IF THEY NEED TO CLEAN SOMETHING OUT OR SOMEBODY DID GET PUT A BIG TWO BY FOUR IN THAT HOLE AND THEY CAN THEY CAN GET IT OUT, BUT THEY CAN'T CART.

SO IT'S A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN US AND THE SITE OWNERS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO I'M GLAD WE.

I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT QUESTION, SO I'M GLAD IT CAME UP ABOUT THE LOCKS.

SO I DIDN'T GIVE DIRECTION BEFORE AND I SHOULD HAVE AND I APOLOGIZE.

I DO LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT GENERALLY THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS GOING.

HOWEVER, I I'VE HAD THE SAME SORT OF FEEDBACK THAT COUNCILOR DAVIS HAS HAD.

I'VE HEARD VOCIFEROUSLY THAT WHILE LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO DO A THING, THEY WOULD LOVE IT IF IF THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL SITE AND IF WE CAN USE THE LOCKING LIDS ON THOSE TO PREVENT THE KIND OF COUCH IN THE DUMPSTER PHENOMENA THAT COUNCILOR WATTS REFERENCED, WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT THAT THAT SORT OF THING IS A PROBLEM AND IT'S CAUSING CONTAMINATION, AS YOU SAID.

BUT IF THERE COULD BE.

GIVEN THE DIRECTION, IF EVERYTHING SUCCEEDS, YOU PROBABLY WON'T HAVE MUCH CALL FOR THIS ALTERNATIVE SITE AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING INTO THE ALTERNATIVE SITE. AND AND IF IT'S NOTHING, THEN THEN YOU HAVE AN ARGUMENT TO SAY, HEY, COUNCILOR, YOU WERE WRONG.

THIS IS NOTHING.

SHUT UP. JUST TAKE IT TO THE DUMP.

YOU TELL ME TO SHUT UP. THAT'S GREAT.

I LOVE THAT. BUT.

BUT ALTERNATIVELY, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THERE.

I GUESS I'M ASKING FOR A TRANSITIONAL, TRANSITIONAL PERIOD WHILE WE MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEW PARADIGM TO LET PEOPLE JUST HAVE THE COMFORT KNOWING THAT, ALL RIGHT, I CAN I REALLY CAN DO THIS.

SO MY DIRECTION WOULD BE STILL MAINTAINING SOME SORT OF SITE SOMEWHERE UNDER YOUR DISCRETION AND CONTROL AND ALL THAT.

BUT BUT YOU KNOW, AND THE REST OF THE THINGS I'M FINE WITH.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCILWOMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I TOO, CONCUR.

I APPRECIATE MR. DAVIS'S COMMENTS.

YOU KNOW, A FUNNY THING ABOUT LUXURIES AND RIGHTS.

FOLKS GET MAD WHEN YOU TAKE THEM AWAY, EVEN IF THEY ALL THEY DON'T USE THEM.

SO I AM UNCOMFORTABLE CLOSING NORTH LAKES UNLESS AND UNTIL WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN.

HAVING SAID THAT, I'M FINE WITH THE ORDINANCE.

I WOULD JUST SAY THIS AS AS AN APARTMENT DWELLER, I HAVE SOME DISCOMFORT WITH THIS BECAUSE PARTICULARLY FOLKS IN THE APARTMENT ARE GOING TO BE LEFT FOOTING THE BILL.

WHATEVER THE SOLUTION IS FOR APARTMENT COMPLEX OWNERS, THEY'RE GOING TO PASS THAT ON TO THE PEOPLE AND PEOPLE LIKE, LET ME SPEAK FOR MYSELF.

I DON'T WANT TO PAY ANY MORE.

MY RENT HAS ALREADY GONE UP $120 NEXT LEASE FOR NO REASON.

IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THERE'S A TON OF INFLATION, THIS COST IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE PASSED ON TO THE RESIDENTS.

AND WORKING PEOPLE DON'T NEED TO PAY MORE THAN THEY'RE ALREADY PAYING.

SO HAVING SAID THAT, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE ORDINANCE.

IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I PREFER, BUT THERE IS AGREEMENT AMONGST THE COUNCIL.

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I'M NOT GOING TO STAND IN THE WAY OF THAT.

I JUST WANT TO MENTION ON THE CONTAMINATION FOR THE RECYCLING.

THE CONTAMINATION FOR THE RECYCLING AT NORTH NORTH LAKES, IT'S WELL BELOW 20%.

SO IT'S IT'S BEEN CLEANED UP SIGNIFICANTLY.

OH, GOOD. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN WATTS, DID YOU HAVE I GUESS IT SEEMS LIKE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE.

BUT THEN THE CATCHING POINT IS THIS RECYCLING CENTER AT NORTH LAKES.

I'M PRETTY AGNOSTIC ON THAT.

I MEAN, I DON'T I DON'T LIVE OVER THERE.

I HAVEN'T TAKEN STUFF THERE.

SO WHEN I HAVE TO DEFER TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA.

SO I GUESS I'M A NEUTRAL, NEUTRAL DIRECTION.

OKAY. SO, COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

OH, GOT IT. YEAH, GO AHEAD.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS AND COUNCILMAN BURTON.

THANK YOU. I'LL BE VERY BRIEF.

I'VE TOLD THE STORY LOTS OF TIMES, BUT JUST FOLKS WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE HEARD IT.

SO I HAD. DENTON'S FIRST CURBSIDE RECYCLING SERVICE WAS ACTUALLY ON YOUR PORCH.

I TAKE MY LITTLE RED WAGON ALL THE WAY UP THE SIDEWALK TO YOUR PORCH, GET YOUR STUFF.

IT WAS LIKE 70% CONTAMINATION BACK THEN, BUT IT SORT IT OUT.

I TAKE IT TO NORTH LAKES OR I THROW IT IN THE DUMPSTER OR PUT IT BACK, THEN PUT IN A BLACK TRASH BAG AND PUT IT ON THE CURB.

SOME OF THESE FOLKS IN MY PART OF TOWN I'VE BEEN TALKING TO ABOUT RECYCLING FOR I'LL BE 40 NEXT YEAR.

SO 30 PLUS YEARS I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT RECYCLING.

THEY CAN ADJUST PATTERNS OF BEHAVIOR.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO KEEP TAKING THEIR STUFF TO NORTH LAKES.

THEY'RE VERY HAPPY WHEN THE CITY STARTED PROVIDING CURBSIDE RECYCLING, BUT IT MIGHT BE EASY FROM SOME PARTS OF TOWN TO GET TO THE LANDFILL.

IT IS NOT EASY FOR A WORKING PERSON TO GET TO THE LANDFILL.

FROM MY SIDE OF TOWN, IT'S A IT'S A WHOLE PLANNED THING.

IT'S A WHOLE TRIP.

THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE IS.

THERE ARE PUB, THERE'S PUBLIC LAND, WHETHER IT'S OURS OR SOMEBODY ELSE'S.

ALL OVER THIS SIDE OF TOWN.

THERE'S SOME IN DOWNTOWN, THERE'S SOME OUTSIDE DOWNTOWN, THERE'S SOME WE HAVE TO TALK TO SOME OTHER FOLKS ABOUT.

BUT WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT A FACILITY THAT WOULD HAVE A MUCH REDUCED FOOTPRINT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO RECREATE NORTH LAKES.

WE DON'T HAVE TO INSTALL EVERYTHING NORTH LAKES AS SOME KIND OF OPTION, EVEN IF IT'S JUST CARDBOARD AND A MIXED A MIXED RECYCLABLES OR HOWEVER PROGRAMMATICALLY WE NEED TO DO IT.

WE COULD BE TALKING ABOUT AS FEW AS A COUPLE OF DUMPSTERS AND SEE HOW MUCH USE IT GETS.

AND IF THEY GO AWAY AFTER A YEAR OR TWO, THAT'S FINE.

BUT A HARD STOP TO SAY YOU'VE GOT A BLUE BIN.

IF YOUR LANDLORD'S NOT GREAT ABOUT THE WHOLE BLUE BIN THING, IF THEY'RE NOT PARTICIPATING NOW, YOU'RE COMPLETELY OUT OF LUCK.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT.

I THINK SOME KIND OF TRANSITION WHERE PEOPLE HAVE ANOTHER OPTION ALONG THE LINES OF THE OPTION THEY'VE HAD FOR MANY YEARS, THAT IS CLOSER TO THEM THAN ALL THE WAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN BEFORE BEFORE THE OTHER TRANSFER STATION.

COME RIGHT NOW, THE TRANSFER STATION PROPERTY, THAT'S THE WAY THE HECK OUT THERE.

NOW THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S VERY FAR THAT'S, THAT IS VERY FAR FROM HOUSES TODAY.

IT WON'T BE FOREVER.

BUT AS OF NOW, THAT'S NOT A GREAT OPTION.

IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO GET TO ALSO.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST ME.

I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES, PLACES WHERE WE COULD PUT A COUPLE OF DUMPSTERS.

HOWEVER, WE WANT A PROGRAM THAT I REALLY HATE FOR US TO DO A HARD STOP AND THROW OUR PEOPLE OFF THAT WAY COMES FROM BIRD.

YEAH. I AM LOOKING AT THE.

THE DIRECTIONS.

AND MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE THE REQUIREMENT.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE WANT ALL OF THE AGENCIES TO PARTICIPATE AND IT'S GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT.

HAS THE FEE SCHEDULE BEEN SET UP? AND ALSO, I GUESS YOU WOULD HAVE TO CHARGE SOME TYPE OF RATE IF THEY ARE NOT PARTICIPATING.

AND YOU YOU'LL DO THAT EVERY QUARTER.

TELL ME A BIT ABOUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK.

AGAIN, THIS IS A BIFURCATED PROGRAM.

IF YOU WANT TO WANT TO PARTICIPATE WITH THE CITY, THEN WE CURRENTLY HAVE A RATE SCHEDULE AND WE CAN GET WE CAN GET YOU A BLUE DUMPSTER OUT THERE TOMORROW.

WE CAN START YOU TOMORROW WITH THIS.

IF YOU'RE USING THIRD PARTY, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THE THIRD PARTY RATE ARE THE WAY WE'VE GOT THE RATE STRUCTURE IN PLACE, WE'VE GOT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE, AND WE'RE AGNOSTIC AS TO WHETHER YOU GO WITH US OR GO WITH THE THIRD PARTY.

END OF THE DAY, THOUGH, YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A PROGRAM AND REPORT YOUR RESULTS TO THE CITY OF DENTON SO THAT WE CAN INCLUDE THOSE METRICS IN OUR PLANNING AND REPORTING

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STRUCTURE. SO WHEN YOU DON'T REPORT AND YOU'RE NOT PARTICIPATING, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME TYPE OF CONSEQUENCE FOR THAT, SOME TYPE OF FEE, SOME TYPE OF FINE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THERE. WHAT IS THAT? GO YEAH, THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF ENFORCEMENT EFFORT.

WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS YET, BUT WE'RE AGAIN, WE'RE STILL IN THE VERY EARLY STAGES OF PUTTING THE ORDINANCE TOGETHER.

WE WOULD WE WOULD SIT DOWN WITH OUR COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT FOLKS, DETERMINE WHAT WE ACTUALLY CAN DO PURSUANT TO STATE LAW, AND THEN GO AHEAD AND BUILD THAT THAT TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY INTO THE ORDINANCE.

I AM ALSO IN AGREEMENT WITH COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS WITH THE GREAT POINT IN NOT JUST A HARD FULL STOP WITH THE PROGRAM. YOU ARE YOU ALL.

SO AS WE FINISH UP THIS EVENING, ARE YOU ALL PLANNING TO NOTIFY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY VIA EMAIL OR, I DON'T KNOW, STREAMING IT? HOW ARE YOU ALL GOING TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS POSSIBLY GOING TO OCCUR? OR IF YOU ALL IF WE'VE AGREED TO I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE OR NOT, THAT JUNE THE 23RD WILL BE THE LAST DAY.

SO, COUNCILMEMBER BIRD, I THINK TWO THINGS.

ONE IS THERE'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR CAMPAIGN AND EDUCATIONAL PROMOTIONAL CAMPAIGN.

I CAN'T IMAGINE IT PROBABLY HAS ALL SORTS OF THINGS TO DO WITH LITTLE BLUE BINS OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

BUT THERE'LL BE AN EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN, PLENTY OF TIME FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW, ASK QUESTIONS, DISCUSSIONS.

ALSO, WE'RE HEARING NOW, AFTER YOU'VE SAID IT, THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE SITE.

SO OTHER THAN PASSING AND SAYING, YES, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE, WELL, WITH THE CHANGE FOR RECYCLING, WE WOULD COME BACK WITH SOME OTHER SITES, POSSIBLY AS POSSIBLE SITES FOR FOR THIS PURPOSE TO TAKE PLACE OF NORTH LAKES, BECAUSE NORTH LAKES IS GOING TO BE A PARKING LOT.

SO WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK WITH ANOTHER SOLUTION, BUT WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU SAYING, HERE'S SOME OPTIONS, HERE'S WHAT WE RECOMMEND, AND WE RECOMMEND DOING IT FOR A YEAR, LETTING YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES IT'S USED, HOW OFTEN WE SERVE IT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR THAT.

AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN MCGEE? CONGRESSMAN. I'LL BE BRIEF.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANY CONSENSUS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT I WOULD ALSO BE IN FAVOR OF SOME TYPE OF ONLINE SURVEY THAT WILL GO OUT TO THE RESIDENTS.

I UNDERSTAND THE USAGE RATE IS LOW.

I GET THAT. BUT I'D ALSO BE IN FAVOR OF SOME TYPE OF ONLINE SURVEY TO JUST GAUGE PEOPLE'S INTEREST AND LET THEM KNOW THAT WE ARE POSSIBLY CONSIDERING MAKING THIS STEP AS A WAY TO AS A WAY TO BE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SORRY.

JUST KIDDING. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. I'M SORRY.

SO BRIEFLY, JUST KIND OF I THOUGHT WE HAD A TRUCK SHORTAGE.

LIKE TRASH TRUCK SHORTAGE? WE DO. WE DO.

SO ADDING MORE DUMPSTERS HELPS.

HOW? RIGHT. HELP ME UNDERSTAND.

RIGHT. I MEAN, JUST KNOW WE HAVE CAPACITY.

WE HAVE CAPACITY IN OUR SYSTEM.

AND WE HAD A WE HAVE ALMOST AN 18 MONTH IMPLEMENTATION PERIOD.

AND SO IT'S NOT OUR ABILITY TO NOT BE ABLE TO GET TRUCKS.

IT'S JUST THAT HORIZON IS IS EXTENDED A LITTLE BIT.

THE SITUATION IS GETTING SLIGHTLY BETTER.

AND WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR FLEET DEPARTMENT TO INSTEAD OF EXPECTING ONE TYPE OF TRUCK AND GETTING IN A LONG LINE, WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT WHAT'S ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE CAN GO OUT AND BUY ON BY BOARD.

SO WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH OUR FLEET GROUP TO TRY TO TO TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE BEEN ENCOUNTERING.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A ZERO SUM GAME AT THIS POINT WHERE WE ARE MAKING A LITTLE INROAD.

BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, GETTING GETTING FLEET IS IS TOUGH RIGHT NOW.

SURE. YEAH. NO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD THAT.

AND SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE THOUGHTFUL ANSWER.

WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT THE THIRD PARTY KIND OF THING.

SO I'LL SKIP THAT FOR THE SAKE OF TIME.

I'LL JUST TELL YOU. WELL, FIRST, FOR ME, NO ONE'S TOUCHED ON IT, BUT I'M ABSOLUTELY AGAINST ANY DROP OFF LOCATIONS AS FAR AS CLOSE THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

AND I THINK I TOUCHED ON THAT EARLIER.

ANY OF THOSE DROP BOXES, I WOULD ASK FOR A PROHIBITION ON THOSE UNLESS THEY'RE STAFFED, YOU KNOW, THE CLOTHING AND DONATION BOXES, THE THE INDEPENDENT DONATION BOXES IN THE TARGET PARKING LOTS OF THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

YES. YEAH. I JUST AND THEN EVEN WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RECYCLE THING, I MEAN AND TYING TO THAT, THAT JUST KIND OF UNSTAFFED DONATION BOX, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS DRIVE AT ANY WEEKEND, DRIVE BY THE OLD GOODWILL SPOT AND PEOPLE WILL JUST DUMP EVERYTHING LIKE THEY WON'T THINK, HEY, THERE'S NO ONE HERE. THEY'LL JUST THINK, OH, THERE'S NO ONE HERE AND DUMP EVERYTHING.

AND SO IT IS TOUGH AND IT'S NOT ALL OUR CITIZENS.

I GET THAT. SO WHERE I FALL IS THIS I SHARE THE CONCERN ABOUT NORTH LAKES.

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BUT HERE'S WHAT I'D OFFER UP.

I'D ASK, AND I THINK IT CAN BE A PRETTY QUICK, EASY FIX.

AND LET ME BALANCE IT OUT TO SAY THIS.

MY CONCERN IS THIS IF WE MANDATE THAT SOMEONE HAVE A RECYCLE BIN THROUGH US, LET'S SAY I CAN'T CONTROL THIRD PARTIES, SOMEONE JUMPS ON THE TOP OF THE LID AND I HAVE TO GO LOOK AT THE LID YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT BASICALLY WHEN IT'S LOCKED, YOU JUMP ON A LID, BREAK THE PLASTIC, AND THEN YOU CAN THROW YOUR MATTRESS IN THERE.

RIGHT. IT'S A LOT OF WORK TO GET A MATTRESS IN THERE, BUT IT HAPPENS ALSO.

THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU GO TO THE LANDFILL, IT'S 25 BUCKS TO DROP SOMETHING OFF JUST MINIMUM CHARGE.

RIGHT. SO I HAD A BABY HAD A JUST A BABY THING THAT I WANTED TO GET RID OF.

AND IT COST ME 25 BUCKS.

IT'S LIKE, MAN, THAT'S RIGHT.

SOMETHING, YOU KNOW.

SO I SEE WHY PEOPLE CHUCK IT IN A CREEK, RIGHT? NOT NOT ADVERTISING THAT, BUT JUST SAYING IT'S IT'S SOMETHING WE GOT TO DEAL WITH.

RIGHT. IT'S COMPETING INTEREST, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. I SEND PICTURES ALL THE TIME FOR PEOPLE TO JUST DUMP STUFF EVERYWHERE.

RIGHT. AND SO IT IS IT IS AN ISSUE.

AND SO HOW DO WE THEN BRIDGE THAT GAP? AGAIN, SEPARATE CONVERSATION.

BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING SAID AND MAKE IT EASY, RIGHT? LIKE LIKE JUST LIKE THE STATE FAIR.

IT'S NOT REAL MONEY. IT'S JUST A TICKET, RIGHT? SO JUST, HEY, DROP IT OFF, WE'LL BUILD YOUR ACCOUNT.

AND THEN A MONTH LATER, YOU GET A BILL FOR 25 BUCKS.

RIGHT? BUT. BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING TO MAKE THAT EASIER, MORE SEAMLESS TO GET PEOPLE TO.

TO GIVE US THEIR MONEY AND GIVE US THEIR TRASH VERSUS DO SOMETHING LESS THAN GREAT.

ALL THAT SAID, CAN WE NOT REACH OUT TO DENTON ISD AND GET A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT SAYS WE'LL SERVICE YOUR CONTAINERS EIGHT TIMES A WEEK IF YOU'LL JUST TAKE RECYCLABLES FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC? AND SO THEN EVERY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OR EVERY MIDDLE SCHOOL OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT, HAS THAT FACILITY IN EVERY WEEKEND.

YOU CAN GO LOAD THEM UP. BUT IN OUR COMMITMENT TO DEADLINES, THESE THAT WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.

WE'LL MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN IT SUPER TIGHT.

WHAT I JUST I THINK THAT OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OR WHATEVER JUST KIND OF A GROUP OF SCHOOLS THAT PEOPLE KNOW.

I CAN GO TO THIS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, I CAN GO TO THIS MIDDLE SCHOOL AND I CAN DUMP MY RECYCLABLES.

THEY ALREADY HAVE A BIN.

WE JUST HAVE TO COMMIT TO DEAL WITH THE NONSENSE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND THERE WILL BE NONSENSE.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY, VERY DILIGENTLY WITH THE ISD HERE IN THE.

LAST YEAR. THEY WERE ONE OF OUR MOST AGGRESSIVE PARTNERS WITH REGARDS TO INDUSTRIAL OR INSTITUTIONAL RECYCLING.

THEY'VE GOT THE CHUTE LIDS, THEY'VE GOT THE LOCKS.

BUT STILL, AS YOU SAID, WE SEE MATTRESSES AND TIRES AND EVERYTHING THROWN IN THE REVETMENT.

SO WE'VE GOT TO.

I THINK THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THIS, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO.

TO MANAGE THAT ILLEGAL DUMPING THAT WILL OCCUR ON THOSE SITES.

YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S EITHER THAT OR THE OTHER THING I THOUGHT ABOUT IS THE LA SOCCER COMPLEX.

THERE'S THAT PARKING LOT THAT FACES THE ANIMAL SHELTER IN THE FRONT, SO YOU LEAST HAVE EYES ON IT AND YOU PUT IN PARK.

I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT YOU'VE GOT TO YOU'VE GOT TO MEET US HALFWAY BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET THOSE SAME EMAILS.

AND AND SO I ABSOLUTELY HEAR YOU.

AND IT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM, RIGHT? IT SHOULD. IN THEORY.

EVERYONE HAS A BAND AT THEIR HOUSE.

EVERYONE HAS A BUT I'M I LOOK AT MY NEIGHBORS RECYCLE BIN AND I WANT TO SCREAM RIGHT.

SO THERE'S A CHICKEN IN THERE.

ONCE I WAS LIKE, HOLY COW, FROZEN CHICKEN IN THE RECYCLE BIN.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ON THE LITTLE PICTURE ON THE GRAPHIC PROGRAM.

RECYCLING MATERIAL.

YEAH, BUT SO I UNDERSTAND.

I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND.

BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT TODAY, TOMORROW, ETC..

JUST LIKE PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO STOP DROPPING OFF AT GOODWILL, JUST LIKE THEY'RE NOT.

I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF WORK TO JUMP ON IS AN UPHILL BATTLE.

AND THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST STEP IN IN A FAIR IN A IN A JOURNEY IS WHAT IT IS.

SO WE HAVE TO EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY.

CORRECT. BUT. BUT WHAT I CAN'T WHERE I CAN'T GET ON BOARD WITH THAT IS IF WE MANDATE THAT A BUSINESS HAVE IT AND LIFE HAPPENS TO THAT BUSINESS, WE'RE GOING TO TELL THAT BUSINESS TOUGH, CLEAN IT UP, OR HEY, WE COULDN'T PICK UP BECAUSE THERE'S ALL THIS STUFF IN FRONT OF IT OR PAY MORE OR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM A NUMBER, BUT WE'RE NOT. WE'RE MANDATING THEY HAVE IT.

BUT THEN WHEN LIFE HAPPENS TO IT, WE'RE LIKE, HEY, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN.

I THINK WE DO HAVE TO. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE A WORK IN PROGRESS.

I WILL SAY THIS JUST RECENTLY YOU ALL RECEIVED A FACEBOOK POST OF A REALLY BAD DUMPING SITE RIGHT OFF OF BELLE AUBREY AND ORDERING ORDER AND BILL THAT WAS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

WE FIND OUT WHERE SOMEONE HAD DUMPED, BUT WE CLEANED IT UP BECAUSE IT WAS UNSIGHTLY.

WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU AND START TALKING TO YOU ABOUT PEOPLE WHO DUMP ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY, BUT THE CITY ENDS UP CLEANING IT UP.

MAY NEED TO PASS THAT COST ON BECAUSE WE ATE THE COST TO HAVE OUR STAFF GO OUT THERE AND CLEAN UP.

IT WAS IT WAS A LARGE PILE OF TRASH.

YEAH. IN THIS CASE, IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE THIS IS GOING TO BE I HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THIS BEFORE IN A LARGE CITY.

IT'S A BIG EDUCATION CAMPAIGN.

IT IS WORKING WITH OUR BUSINESS PARTNERS.

IT IS GIVING SOME GRACE.

IT'S GIVEN GRACE.

IT'S FOLLOWING BACK UP.

IT'S GIVING MORE GRACE, FOLLOWING BACK UP.

AND IT'S AN EDUCATIONAL PROCESS.

WE GOT TO GET OUT IN THE SCHOOLS.

WE'VE GOT TO TALK TO KIDS BECAUSE IT STARTS THERE.

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AND TO KEEP GOING ABOUT LEARNING ABOUT RECYCLING AND EDUCATING PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT'S TRASH AND WHAT'S NOT, IT'S GOING TO BE A PROCESS.

BUT IN THE END, I THINK THE BIG POINT HERE IS WHAT TAMMY SAID, AND THAT IS IT'S PAY ME NOW OR PAY ME LATER.

IF IT GOES INTO THE TRASH, IT'S GOING TO REDUCE THE LIFESPAN OF OUR OUR CAPABILITIES AT OUR LANDFILL.

IF WE CAN RECYCLE AND WE CAN CREATE MORE BUSINESS PARTNERS FROM RECYCLING GLASS, REUSING GLASS INTO SIDEWALKS, TIRES, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT RECYCLING AND PUTTING IT BACK INTO GOOD USE.

THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT REALLY HELPS THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A WORK IN PROGRESS.

IT WILL. SO I WOULD JUST I MEAN, AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND.

I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.

I MEAN, AND IF THAT TAKES ME MAKING A PHONE CALL TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER, THERE'S GOT TO BE A SCHEDULE THAT WE CAN SAY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THAT'S YOUR DROP OFF LOCATION FOR RECYCLABLES ON THE WEEKENDS OR AFTER FIVE ON FRIDAY.

SO AFTER FIVE ON FRIDAY TO SUNDAY, DROP OFF LOCATION ALL THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN THE CITY AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO AND THEN BECAUSE I THINK THEN THAT'S JUST AN EASIER EASIER SELL.

AND EVEN IF WE HAVE TO CHARGE THE BUSINESSES A RECYCLE FEE OR INCREASE THAT FEE, HAPPY TO DO IT BECAUSE THEN I THINK HOPEFULLY CAN COVER THE EXTRA CHIRPS.

AND I MEAN, I'M NOT UNDENIABLE THAT LIFE'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

RIGHT. AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY HOW CAN WE OFFSET THAT IN A LOCATION AT A SCHOOL THAT WE'RE GUARANTEED WE'RE GOING TO GET? AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE RUN ON THE WEEKENDS, MAYBE THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

THERE'S I'M SURE THERE'S A MILLION PROBLEMS ARE MISSING.

BUT I JUST THINK THAT IT GIVES AN ANSWER FOR LOCATION FOR AND IT'S TWO GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES THAT THEN CAN DEAL WITH IT AND MANAGE THE COST AND WORK TOGETHER VERSUS PRIVATE ENTITIES THAT MAY NOT SEE IT THE SAME PASS ON COST TO OUR RESIDENTS, ETC..

OUR RESIDENTS ARE ALREADY PAYING A BUCK TEN INTO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND $0.59 PLUS TO US.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S MY $0.03 WORTH.

WE GOT WE GOT 10 MINUTES.

YOU HAVE THE LAST WORD, COUNCILMAN.

WHAT'S. I LANDED ON A GOOD NOTE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THE PROGRAM'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE PEOPLE CAN CALL IN IF THEY'VE HAD PEOPLE DUMP THINGS BY THEIR DUMPSTER.

IT'S A $20 TRIP FEE, $5 AN ITEM THAT YOU CAN THAT CITY WILL COME OUT AND PICK UP.

EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT IS ANY OF THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE DONE IT, THAT'S STILL A VERY GOOD VALUE.

INSTEAD OF HAVING TO HIRE SOMEBODY, COME OUT THERE, TAKE IT OUT THE LANDFILL.

SO IT'S BEEN. YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S WORKED REAL WELL. SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU KUDOS.

THANK YOU. AND I'LL JUST SAY CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.

I'M ALL ABOUT FINDING CREATIVE WAYS FOR SOLUTIONS, SO I THINK WE CAN FIND SOMETHING.

YEAH. AND I THINK CITY MANAGER HAD A COUPLE OF IDEAS.

SO YEAH, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR NEXT GREAT PRESENTATION.

LOOK FORWARD TO FOLLOW UP.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELL DONE.

YOU JUMPED IN THE DEEP END BUT DID GREAT.

NOW WHERE ARE YOU FROM? BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE SAME KIND OF ACCENT SARAH K HAS.

THERE'S MINNESOTA SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

I'M FROM EVERYWHERE.

OKAY. THIS IS A WISCONSIN, WISCONSIN.

THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO.

THERE WE GO. YEAH.

OKAY. SO THAT'S OUR WORK SESSION.

WILL RECONVENE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS IN 9 MINUTES.

IT'S 621. WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

[AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED:]

IT IS 631, AND I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

THE FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE PLEDGES TO THE UNITED STATES AND TEXAS FLAG.

PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME IF YOU'RE ABLE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE.

I'M THE GIRL ONE.

AND THEN TO. OKAY, THEN THAT.

TAKES US TO PRESENTATIONS FROM THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IF WE COULD REVIEW THE PROCESS FOR ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL.

[2. PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC]

THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, INCLUDING A CODE OF CONDUCT THAT APPLIES TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THESE RULES WERE ENACTED TO PROMOTE AN ORDERLY PROCESS AND TO PRESERVE DECORUM.

SPEAKERS WILL HAVE 4 MINUTES TO GIVE A SCHEDULED REPORT AND 4 MINUTES TO GIVE AN OPEN MIC REPORT.

A BELL WILL RING WHEN TIME IS EXPIRED.

IF THE REMARKS ARE NOT CONCLUDED BY THAT TIME, THE SPEAKER WILL BE ASKED TO STOP SPEAKING.

IF THE SPEAKER DOES NOT CEASE AND A SECOND REQUEST IS MADE, THE MAYOR MAY REQUEST TO HAVE THE SPEAKER REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER.

SPEAKERS SHOULD NOT APPROACH THE DAIS.

IF A SPEAKER HAS MATERIALS FOR THE COUNCIL, PLEASE NOTIFY THE CITY SECRETARY IN ADVANCE FOR SCHEDULED REPORTS.

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THE COUNCIL MAY INITIATE DISCUSSION OR ASK QUESTIONS FOR NON SCHEDULED OPEN MIC REPORTS.

THE COUNCIL MAY LISTEN, HOWEVER, BECAUSE NO NOTICE OF THE SUBJECT OF THE OPEN MIC REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC IN ADVANCE.

THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR DECISION BY THE COUNCIL ON NON SCHEDULED ITEMS. AS A RESULT, THE COUNCIL MAY ONLY PROCEED AS FOLLOWS ON NON SCHEDULED ITEMS PROPOSED TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

MAKE A STATEMENT, A FACTUAL POLICY, OR A RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY.

SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO DIRECT ALL REMARKS AND QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER.

PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MAKING ABUSIVE, PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS.

ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE MAY BE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER.

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.

COPIES OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY SECRETARY.

OK GREAT. FIRST REGISTERED SPEAKER IS MARTHA.

MARTHA HENDERSON.

REGARDING PINEY CREEK HOA.

OKAY. SET THAT ASIDE.

MR. STEVEN.

DYLAN BURKE. STEVEN.

DYLAN BURKE. OKAY.

MAX. YOU'RE MOVING ON.

YOU CAN TELL ME HOW TO SAY IT. THANK YOU.

AND WATCH YOUR STEP THERE, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. AND COME ON DOWN AND THEN IF YOU GIVE YOUR.

NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES.

YOUR NAME IS MAX FARMER 1412 FOX HOLLOW.

HERE IN DENTON, THEY THE LAST FOUR YEARS, THIS HAS NOT BEEN GOOD ENOUGH TO DRIVE, SO I'VE HAD TO RELY ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

I HAVE TWO AGENCIES TO SHARE WITH YOU.

BACK IN SEPTEMBER, ON A SATURDAY, I WENT DOWNTOWN TO THE HIGHWAY, GOES ON TO THE BOOKSTORE ON THE SQUARE.

AFTER THAT, I WENT OVER TO A BUSINESS MUSIC.

AFTER THAT, I CALLED TO GET A RIDE BACK TO HOME.

THEY TOLD ME I HAD 30 MINUTES FOR YOU.

HAVE A CAR. 3 MINUTES LATER, SAME RESULTS.

WE DON'T HAVE A CAR. BY THAT TIME, IT WAS ALMOST TIME FOR US TO CLOSE, SO I HAD TO WALK TO THE BUS STATION.

IT'S ABOUT 15 MINUTES OR SO FROM THE MUSIC STORE.

IN SEPTEMBER, IT WAS 103, AND WHEN I GOT THERE, I WAS PRETTY LITTLE DEHYDRATED.

NO GOOD THING.

NOW, THE SECOND INCIDENT HAPPENED LAST MONTH.

IT GOES ON TO GO TO A COAL MINE AND HABITAT FOR HUMANITY ON WEST UNIVERSITY. ONCE AGAIN, I GOT THROUGH AND THEY TOLD ME I HAD TO GO OVER TO ONE OF YOU STREET BEHIND ONE OF THE BANKS.

I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET THERE, SO I HAD TO WALK FROM THERE TO THE BUS STATION DOWN TOWN.

SO IT'S TWO INSTANCES WHICH COULD NOT THANK YOU TO INTRODUCE, WHICH I COULD NOT COME BACK BY WAY OF GOES ON.

AS A RESULT, I CAN'T GO ANYWHERE MORE THAN TWO OR THREE MILES THAT I CAN'T WALK BACK.

THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING.

AND OF COURSE, THE CITY THAT DECIDED TO SHUT DOWN THE BUSSES, I'M NOT SURE WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO DO SO.

I WISH YOU WOULD CONSIDER THIS BEFORE YOU CONTINUE TO ELIMINATE THE BUSSES.

THEY STILL IMPORTANT TO SOME OF US.

I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME HERE WITH YOU.

THERE IS A NEW CEO HERE, DELHI.

THERE IS A NEW CEO AT DSTA AND THEY'RE MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENTS.

BUT WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE THAT HERE.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE YOUR INFORMATION BEFORE AND WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET YOU CONNECTED WITH THE NEW CEO SO THAT HE CAN HEAR YOUR YOUR CONCERNS AND MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS.

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WE WE'VE GOT TO WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF YOU AND THAT'S TOO FAR TO WALK.

SO WE'LL WORK ON THAT IF RYAN CAN.

YEAH, WE'LL GET YOUR INFORMATION AGAIN AND CONNECT YOU WITH MR. PAUL CHRISTINA WHO'S THE CEO OF DC TO AND MAKE SURE WE YOU HAVE SOMEONE TO CALL WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE THOSE ISSUES.

I HOPE WE CAN RESOLVE THIS, BUT YES, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW.

SO. RYAN. YEAH, THANK YOU.

WE HAVE ONE CALLER. YEAH, AND I HAVE.

SO IF GRECO CAN COME UP AND GIVE YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU HAVE 4 MINUTES. 802 AS ST.

I WATCHED A MEETING THIS MORNING WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, AND ONCE AGAIN, I'M DISAPPOINTED IN A LOT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS.

HOUSING AUTHORITY ONLY HAS SO MUCH IN THEIR BUDGET SO WE CAN BRING THEM ALL THESE PEOPLE AND EVERYTHING.

THEY CAN'T HELP US.

THEY CANNOT HELP.

THEIR HANDS ARE TIED.

OKAY. SO IT JUST SEEMED THAT THE MEETING TODAY COUNCIL IS PASSING THIS BUCK ONTO HOUSING AUTHORITY.

IT'S NOT THE HOUSING AUTHORITIES RESPONSIBILITY.

IT IS COUNCIL WHO HAS MADE PROMISES TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY WHEN THEY RAN FOR ELECTION AND NOT UPHOLDING THOSE PROMISES.

I SAW THE DEVELOPERS TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPERS.

I WAS ALSO AT THE MEETING LAST WEEK WITH THE DEVELOPER OF LAND PARTNERS WITH 97 LAND COMPANY.

FOR WHAT'S GOING TO BE CALLED THE RAILROAD BEHIND THE BUS STATION.

DEREK, WHO'S ONE OF THE PARTNERS THERE WITH HIS BROTHER, CLEARLY TOLD EVERYONE THAT.

HE ONLY BUILDS LUXURY APARTMENTS BECAUSE WE THE PUBLIC QUESTION ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I WAS THE ONE WHO PUSHED ON WHAT IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THE RENT? FINALLY, SHE SAID IT WAS $2,000.

THAT'S GOING TO BE THE MINIMUM RENT.

OTHER RESIDENTS QUESTIONED ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING KNOW ONLY DO LUXURY.

NOPE, WOULDN'T CONCEDE TO ANYTHING.

AND WHEN I ASKED OR I WAS ACTUALLY MAKING A STATEMENT ABOUT MOST OF THE PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD THIS 2000, MAYBE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.

AND THEY ASKED YOU GERARD ON KIND OF AS YOU WOULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA THAN I DO AS MAYOR OF THIS TOWN.

AND YOU JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION, A FALSE CONCLUSION, AND YOU VERBALLY ATTACK ME AT THAT MEETING.

AND YOU WERE WRONG.

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG BECAUSE YOU ONCE AGAIN MISCONSTRUED WHAT I SAID.

UM, THE PROBLEM.

AND YOU. AND YOU ALMOST FALLING OVER YOURSELF.

TO CODDLE THESE DEVELOPERS.

THAT BUILT ONLY LUXURY OK AND YOU REPRESENT US AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU ARE DOING TO US IS HURTING.

EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT.

OF THIS CITY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

DO WANT TO POINT OUT IT WAS A STATEMENT OF CLARIFICATION.

THE DEVELOPER SAID THEY BUILD MARKET RATE APARTMENTS, NOT LUXURY.

AND THEN THEY ALSO STATED THAT IT'S $2 PER SQUARE FOOT.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT I WOULD JUST FACTUAL CORRECTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. LET'S SEE.

SO WE HAVE ONE CALLER.

LET ME SEE IF I CAN DO THIS.

TREVON. OR MAYBE SEND THAT WRONG.

GARRETT, ARE YOU THERE? OH. THAT'S YOUR TIME.

NO. TREVOR.

TREVIN. TREVIN.

MAYBE. BILLY, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME OUT.

I PUSH THE BUTTON. MAYBE THEY THEY'RE NOT FAIR.

WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON THAT IS MARTHA HENDERSON.

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MARTHA HENDERSON.

NO. AND STEPHEN HILLENBURG.

OKAY. SO PASS THOSE AND THEN THAT.

LAUREN UPCHURCH.

OK. YEP. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES.

YOU MAY BE. I DON'T KNOW.

IS THIS THE RIGHT AGENDA? OH, I'M SORRY.

I THOUGHT THEY GAVE IT TO ME.

I GOT IT. I THOUGHT THEY GAVE IT TO ME.

PUT IT ON TOP OF THE COLUMN.

YEAH. I DON'T KNOW HOW.

LET'S SEE. HEY, CAN YOU SOMEBODY TELL ME HOW TO DRIVE THIS THING? LET'S SEE IF MONICA CAN MATCH.

OK. THEY JUST DROPPED FROM THE CAR.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT GETTING IN. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. GOT IT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S THOSE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP FOR OPEN MIKE TAKES US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

[3. CONSENT AGENDA]

THERE IS NOTHING PULLED. I'LL TAKE A MOTION AND WE'LL HAVE TO.

I HAVE TO DO IT VERBALLY, SINCE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE.

SO IS THERE A MOTION? MAYOR PRO TEM I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SECOND COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

A SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

MAYOR PRO TEM HOW SHALL I? COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE I COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE I.

SO, BILLY, CAN YOU.

MUTE THAT OR TELL ME HOW TO MUTE IT UP HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER WHAT I.

WHO AM I MISSING? OH.

COUNCILMAN BURT. I.

MAYOR HUDSPETH HAS EYES WELL PAST THE SEVEN ZERO.

TAKES US TO OUR FIRST.

LET ME. LET ME MAKE SURE.

CAN STEVE OR BILLY POKE OUT BEFORE WE MOVE ON? IS THERE SOMEBODY BACK ON THE LINE? YES, SHE'S FINE.

THAT'S OKAY.

OKAY. GOT IT. SO I'LL CALL THE FIRST WORK SESSION ITEM AND WE WILL JUST TABLE THAT IF WE CAN GET THEM IN.

OTHER THAN JUST ASKING IF THE COLORS THERE.

OKAY. U.S..

JUST JUST ASK THE CALLERS THERE.

ARE YOU THERE? CALLER.

SO I SEE IT.

YES, HERE. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS THAT JUST POP UP.

YES, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T HEAR.

WELL, IF YOU IF YOU ARE ABLE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

OK. SORRY.

OK. FIRST ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION IS A2200001.

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas regarding a Municipal Services Agreement, pursuant to Tex. Loc. Gov. Code Sec. 43.0672, between the City of Denton and IR2 Holdings LLC for the provision of city services to approximately 18.60 acres of land, generally located approximately 500 feet north of US 380 (University Drive) and east of Thomas J. Egan Road; approving a schedule of annexation; authorizing the City Manager to execute the agreement; and providing an effective date. (A22-0001, 380 and Thomas J Egan, Ron Menguita)]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS REGARDING A MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT PURSUANT TO TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 40 30672 BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON AND IR2 HOLDING LLC FOR PROVISION OF CITY SERVICES TO APPROXIMATELY 18.60 ACRES OF LAND.

THANK YOU MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL SAY.

MAYOR. GIVE US JUST ONE SECOND.

WE'RE WORKING THROUGH A TECHNICAL ISSUE REAL QUICK.

SURE.

FOR.

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WELL.

WHAT'S GOING ON? HE'S HERE ON THE LINE.

THERE WE GO. HERE YOU GO, MARY.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. YEAH.

WELL, LET ME GET UP. PRINCIPAL PLAYER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THIS ITEM IS AN ANNEXATION REQUEST FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED AT THOMAS EAGAN AND UNIVERSITY DRIVE.

THE REQUEST FOR YOU FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS A MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT.

AGAIN, FOR THIS VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 18.6 ACRES.

IN ADDITION TO THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE AGREEMENT.

IT ALSO INCLUDES THE APPROVAL OF A SCHEDULE OF ANNEXATION.

THE QUICK BACKGROUND ON THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY AGRICULTURAL, UNDEVELOPED.

THE PROPERTY ROADWAY TO THE SOUTH IS US 380 A PRIMARY ARTERIAL THOMAS EGAN TO THE WEST.

AND THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT IS SHOWN HERE.

IT IS AN INDUSTRIAL USE.

APPROXIMATELY 240,000 SQUARE FEET.

THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE AGREEMENT INCLUDES A NUMBER OF SERVICES FROM THE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND SERVICES THAT THE CITY PROVIDES THAT YOU SEE LISTED HERE, ALL OF WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THE BACKUP.

AS PART OF THIS CONSIDERATION.

THE SCHEDULE, WE HAVE THREE ITEMS IN RELATIONSHIP TO THIS ANNEXATION.

THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE AGREEMENT.

THEN FOLLOWING THAT WILL BE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN FOLLOWING.

THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST READING OF THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE.

IF THE COUNCIL PROCEEDS WITH THIS ANNEXATION, WE WILL THEN PUBLISH THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE ON NOVEMBER 20TH AND THEN AGAIN LAST ON THE LIST IS A SECOND READING OF THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE AND ADOPTION.

AGAIN, IF AGAIN, FOR PERMITTED OR PRESUMED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD GO FORWARD ON JANUARY 10TH OF 2023.

WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

HEY, MARY. THERE IS AN ACTION FOR THIS ITEM.

OKAY. LET ME GET THERE.

OK SEE.

NO QUESTIONS. YOU NEED A CONNECTION FOR THE.

OK ACTION BEING IS THERE? YEP. THERE WE GO.

COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. MAYOR PRO TEM MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE COUNCILMAN DAVIS, I'LL SEE YOU.

HI, MAYOR. PRO TEM.

COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE I COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE I.

COUNCILMAN, WHAT'S.

COUNCILMAN BURT. I MEAN, HUDSPETH IS THE EYES WELL PAST A70.

THANK YOU. THE ORDER OF A PERSON SECONDED BY OK WAS MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM. LET'S SEE.

OKAY. AND THAT TAKES US TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[A. Hold a public hearing and consider a petition for voluntary annexation of approximately 18.60 acres of land, generally located approximately 500 feet north of US 380 (University Drive) and east of Thomas J. Egan Road into the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas. (A22-0001a, 380 and Thomas J Egan, Ron Menguita)]

SO THESE ARE, AGAIN, OPEN.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU JUST NEED TO FILL OUT A BLUE CARD.

YOU'RE ABLE TO SPEAK.

AND SO OUR OPEN THE PUBLIC OR I'LL CALL IT IN AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

FIRST ITEM IS FIVE A, WHICH IS A220001A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A PETITION FOR VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION OF APPROXIMATELY ONE 18.60 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 500 FEET NORTH OF US 380 AND EAST OF THOMAS J.

EAGAN ROAD AND TO CITY OF DENTON, DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS.

THIS, MARY, THIS PULL UP THE PRESENTATION REAL QUICK, I'M SURE.

REAL QUICK. THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM FOR THE ANNEXATION REQUESTS.

FOLLOWING THE FIRST ITEM, THE REQUIREMENT PER TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE IS TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM.

AGAIN, THIS ITEM OR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS LOCATED JUST NORTH OF 380 AND EAST OF THOMAS EAGAN.

AGAIN, SHOWN HERE ON THIS SLIDE.

THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOWS THIS AREA AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

THE ZONING OF THIS PROPERTY, OF COURSE, IS NOT CURRENTLY ZONED AS SHOWN AS WHITE.

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FUTURE ZONING WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW AFTER THE ANNEXATION IF AGAIN, THE ANNEXATION IS APPROVED.

WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.

THERE ARE NO ACTION OK FOR THIS OK AND IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TO MAKE SURE ANY ONE CARE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

OKAY, THEN I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND.

YOU'LL BRING IT BACK.

SUBSEQUENT MEETING, RIGHT? IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS? THERE'S A FIRST READING LATER THIS EVENING, AND THEN SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, THERE'LL BE THE SECOND READING ON JANUARY 10TH.

GOTCHA. GOT IT. THANK YOU.

ITEM B IS 5BAZ220011B, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE

[B. Hold a public hearing and consider approval of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas regarding a change in the zoning district and use classification from a Mixed-Use Residential (MR) Zoning District to a Light Industrial (LI) Zoning District on approximately 53.681 acres of land, generally located south of Barthold Road, north of FM 1173, approximately 712 feet west of the intersection of FM 1173 and North I-35E, in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s Official Zoning Map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause; and establishing an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [7-0] to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Vice-Chair Smith and second by Commissioner McDade. (Z22-0011b, Deeper Life Bible Church Industrial, Sean Jacobson) The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [7-0] to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Vice-Chair Smith and second by Commissioner McDade. (Z22-0011b, Deeper Life Bible Church Industrial, Sean Jacobson)]

OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, REGARDING A CHANGE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT AND USE CLASSIFICATION FROM A MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT ON APPROXIMATELY 53.68 ACRES OF LAND.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL SEAN JACOBSON, ASSOCIATE PLANNER.

I AM PRESENTING Z 2211 B AS YOU STATED, THIS IS A PROPOSED REZONING FROM MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES, ABOUT 53 ACRES.

IT'S LOCATED BETWEEN BATH OLD ROAD AND FM 1173.

THE SITE IS MOSTLY UNDEVELOPED.

DOES HAVE ONE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AND ONE PLUG GAS.

WELL, OF COURSE, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE CONSIDER WITH ANY ZONING REQUEST IS CONSISTENCY WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THIS AREA IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

THAT DESIGNATION IS INTENDED FOR USES LIKE LIGHT MANUFACTURING, WAREHOUSE ASSEMBLY AND THE PURPOSE IN THE DDC FOR THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING IS TO PROVIDE THOSE USES.

THEREFORE THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THEIR FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, INCLUDING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOAL TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THAT NONRESIDENTIAL USE AVAILABLE FOR FUTURE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

OVERALL, THIS DOES MEET ALL OF OUR APPROVAL CRITERIA FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND FOR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS IN GENERAL.

WE DID PROVIDE NOTIFICATION OUT TO THE 205 HUNDRED FOOT LIMITS, AND THE APPLICANT DID HOLD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.

SUMMARY OF THAT MEETING IN YOUR BACKUP.

P&G DID VOTE SEVEN ZERO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL BECAUSE THIS DOES MEET ALL OF OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL OF THE ZONING CHANGE AND FOR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS IN GENERAL.

THAT IS MY PRESENTATION.

I'M HAPPY TO STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

GOT IT. THANK YOU.

AND JUST TO MAKE SURE SO THE OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE CONCERNS EXCEPT THAT.

ARE WE BY HAVING THE.

AS I UNDERSTAND FROM THE NARRATIVE OF THE BACKUP, THE CHURCH INTENDS TO KEEP THE NORTHEAST PART OF THE PARCEL FOR CHURCH EXPANSION OR DEVELOPMENT OF OF A RELIGIOUS LOT IN THE FUTURE.

YES, SIR. AND SO DO WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT ADJACENCY OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL? I KNOW IT'S WAREHOUSING, SO IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE LOW IMPACT ON THE CHURCH FUNCTION.

AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE THE ONES PROPOSING IT.

SO OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT.

BUT AS A AS A SORT OF MATTER OF PRINCIPLE, WHERE WHERE DO WE STAND AS A CITY ABOUT PUTTING A RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY USE UP AGAINST A LIGHT AND INDUSTRIAL USE? SO BOTH USES WOULD ACTUALLY BE REQUIRED TO BUFFER DEPENDING ON WHO COMES IN FIRST, THEY WOULD HAVE THE GREATER BUFFER REQUIREMENT, BUT BOTH USES WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT AND OUR INDUSTRIAL USE ADJACENT TO A AN INSTITUTIONAL USE AND VICE VERSA.

SO OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES ANTICIPATE THAT AND REQUIRES THAT BOTH USES WHEN THEY COME IN, PROVIDE THAT BUFFERING AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.

AND GOING FORWARD, WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT SETTING A PRECEDENT FOR WE FEEL THAT THE BUFFERING IS SUFFICIENT TO NOT SET A PREFERENCE FOR INCOMPATIBLE ADJACENCIES AS WE DEVELOP THIS CORRIDOR IN THIS AREA OR OTHER SIMILAR AREAS. I CAN'T NECESSARILY SPEAK TO HYPOTHETICALS IN THE FUTURE.

NO, BUT I MEAN, IN GENERAL, WE DON'T FEEL THAT THIS PRESENTS A LOOPHOLE OR ANYTHING THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.

THE FACT THAT THIS COUNCIL OR SOME FUTURE COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO COME BACK AND TOUCH IN THE FUTURE.

ALL RIGHT. SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS ZONING, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS DOES IT ALIGN WITH OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP?

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DOES IT ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA? WE HONESTLY DON'T KNOW IF A CHURCH WILL DEVELOP ADJACENT OR NOT.

WHATEVER DEVELOPS THERE WILL HAVE TO ALIGN WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

WE'LL ADDRESS THAT AT THE TIME.

ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER THAT THAT HELPS AT LEAST MY CONSCIENCE.

I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, SHAWN.

YES, SIR. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BECAUSE REMEMBER, WHAT'S.

SOMEBODY MUST HAVE REGARDED MY REQUEST TO SPEAK WON'T STAY LIT.

SO. YEAH. ANYWAY, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT.

THANK YOU FOR.

THIS IS WHAT WE'VE TALKED I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.

THIS IS SIMPLY A STRAIGHT REZONING REQUEST.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT.

AND SO BASED UPON OUR NEW DEVELOPMENT CODE, NOT NEW ANYMORE, THIS IS TYPICALLY HOW THAT'S PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD UNLESS SOMEBODY REQUESTS A.

SO I APPRECIATE IT.

THIS SEEMS TO BE WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WANTING TO DO WITH THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND AND I THINK THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.

THANKS. GOOD PRESENTATION TO SEAN.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I HAVE ONE. SO, MARK, TOLL ROAD, WHAT IS IT? DO YOU RECALL THE STOP TALKING ABOUT? I KNOW IT'S EXPANDING.

YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S ULTIMATELY GOING TO EXPAND TO THERE ON THAT BE ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE.

RIGHT THE THE ULTIMATE WIDTH.

YEAH I APOLOGIZE.

I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

NO WORRIES. I JUST KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE THE IT'S GOING TO BE THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE FAIR IN THE TOWN IN THE FUTURE.

I JUST FORGET HOW BIG IT WAS GOING TO BE SO SURE THAT IS.

YEAH. OKAY. VERY GOOD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. IT IS OPEN A PUBLIC AN OPEN HEARING.

SO IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO CARES TO SPEAK, YOU CAN.

YOU JUST NEED TO FILL OUT A CARD.

SEEING NONE. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE A MOTION.

THEIR MOTION. I CAN'T COUNT.

COUNCILMAN WATSON, I'M A MOTION TO APPROVE MOST OF MY COUNCILMAN WATTS.

IS THERE A SECOND COUNCILMAN DAVIS? A SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATCH.

SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE COUNCIL MEMBER.

WATCH. I'LL SEE YOU. COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

HI, MAYOR.

PRO TEM. COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE.

I COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

COUNCILMAN BURT. I.

MAYOR HUDSPETH IS AS WELL.

THAT PASSED A70.

THANK YOU. TAKES US TO.

IT'S NOT RIGHT. FIVE C AND FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG AFTER THIS PUBLIC HEARING, WE WILL TRY TO TRY THE CALLER AGAIN.

SO BILLY OR STEVE, WHOEVER NEEDS TO COME HELP ME PULL THAT UP.

BECAUSE IT'S. MAYBE.

MAYBE I HAVE IT. WE'LL SEE.

OKAY. SO I DON'T SEE IS SE 210006B HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.

[C. Hold a public hearing and consider approval of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, approving a Specific Use Permit to allow for a Multi-family Dwelling Use on approximately 53.407 acres of land, generally located at the southeast corner of the intersection of Locust Street and Loop 288, in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s Official Zoning Map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing for severability; and establishing an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [6-0] to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Vice-Chair Smith and second by Commissioner Anderson. (S21-0006b, Landmark Multifamily, Sean Jacobson)]

CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, APPROVING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR MULTIFAMILY DWELLING USE ON APPROXIMATELY 53.407 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED ON SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF LOCUST STREET AND LOOP 28 IN THE CITY OF DENTON, DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS.

ADOPTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF CITY TO THE CITY'S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP.

AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AGAIN.

SEAN JACOBSON PRESENTING.

YES. 21 006B LANDMARK MULTIFAMILY.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR TWO MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS ON TWO TRACKS ON AN OVERALL 53 ACRE PROPERTY.

IT'S AT THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH LOCUST STREET AND LOOP 288.

THIS IS WITHIN THE SUBURBAN CORRIDOR ZONING DISTRICT WHERE MULTIFAMILY IS PERMITTED, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE THAT SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

AND THEREFORE THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU IS IF IT MEETS THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, AS WELL AS OUR GENERAL CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, THE SITE PLAN HERE, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED FOR YOU THE 105 FOOT DMAE EASEMENT THAT IS SEPARATES THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE PROPOSED SITE ALSO HAS THREE TRACKS THAT YOU'LL SEE ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS REQUEST.

THEY'RE PROPOSED TO REMAIN VACANT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEY ARE SHOWN BECAUSE SOME OF THE NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THIS SITE RUNS THROUGH THOSE TRACKS.

YOU'LL SEE THOSE IN THAT NORTHWEST CORNER.

THIS SITE IS PROPOSING 12 THREE STORY BUILDINGS ON EACH OF THOSE TRACKS.

THEY'RE PROPOSING VARIOUS AMENITIES, INCLUDING A CLUBHOUSE AND POOL ON EACH OF THE TRACKS OVER 8%.

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SO ABOVE OUR MINIMUM OF REQUIRED OPEN SPACE ON BOTH LOTS AS WELL AS A 2000 FOOT WALKING TRAIL THAT WILL RUN THROUGH THAT EASEMENT AND THEN CONNECT TO A PEDESTRIAN PATH AND BACK UP TO BEALE.

AND THEY ARE PROVIDING OVER 1.2 PARKING SPACES PER BEDROOM.

ALL THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS MEET OUR ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, AND THEY ARE DESIGNED TO EITHER FRONT ON PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY WITH CONNECTIONS TO THE SIDEWALK OR ON SHARED OPEN SPACES. THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

HERE YOU'LL SEE I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE GREEN OPEN SPACE THAT SURROUNDS THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH AND EAST SIDES.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO PROVIDE LANDSCAPE AND TREE CANOPY ABOVE THE MINIMUM AND STREET TREES OVER 161, INCLUDING ALONG THAT CENTRAL BOULEVARD YOU SEE THERE. THEY'RE MEETING ALL OF OUR MINIMUM BUFFER REQUIREMENTS.

AND ACTUALLY, WHILE NORMALLY BUFFERS ARE NOT REQUIRED, IF YOU HAVE EASEMENTS ALONG YOUR BOUNDARIES, THE APPLICANT IS NONETHELESS PROPOSING BUFFERS IN TERMS OF PRESERVING TREES AND PLANTING SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF LARGE CANOPY TREES.

IN ADDITION. SO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED NORMALLY FOR BUFFERING IN TERMS OF ACCESS AND WALKABILITY, APPLICANT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTING BEALE STREET FROM NORTH LOCUST UP TO THAT TURNAROUND, AS WELL AS AN EXTENSION OF AMY STREET.

SO BOTH OF THESE TRACKS WOULD HAVE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS ONTO NORTH LOCUST STREET.

I ALSO DO WANT TO POINT OUT WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST DEVELOPED, THEY STUBBED OUT ATLAS DRIVE TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

NORMALLY OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE WOULD REQUIRE THAT THAT BE EXTENDED THROUGH THE SITE.

THE APPLICANT DID MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY REQUESTED THAT THAT NOT BE CONNECTED INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO THE DEVELOPER PROPOSED TO GATE THAT SO THAT CENTRAL BOULEVARD THROUGH THE SITE IS DESIGNED EXACTLY TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREET STANDARDS.

BUT THERE'S A GATE SO THAT THE TRAFFIC FROM THIS SITE WILL NOT BE PASSING INTO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD.

HOWEVER, CROSS ACCESS IN SOME WAY STILL NEED TO BE PROVIDED AND THEREFORE PEDESTRIAN CROSS ACCESS IN THE FORM OF A SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND A PEDESTRIAN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT CENTRAL BOULEVARD ARE PROVIDED CONNECTING ATLAS OVER TO BEALE.

SO FOR THOSE RESIDENTS, IF WE HAVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE, THAT CORNER, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO WALK IN A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH THE SITE TO THOSE POTENTIAL FUTURE COMMERCIAL SITES.

IN ADDITION, A NUMBER OF VEHICLE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE PROPOSED HAVE SEEN THOSE YELLOW AREAS.

A STOPLIGHT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED BY THE DEVELOPER AT BEALE AND LOCUST, AS WELL AS THE TURN LANE.

AND AT AMY AND LOCUST THERE WOULD BE A TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT SUBJECT TO TEXT DOT APPROVAL THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT FOLKS AREN'T PULLING OUT AND TRYING TO GO LEFT AND BE IN EITHER CASE AND AS WELL AS SIDEWALKS WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED ALONG NORTH LOCUST, ALONG BEALE AND ALONG A SMALL PART OF HERCULES.

SO OVERALL, THIS HELPS TO ENCOURAGE OUR MOBILITY AND WALKABILITY GOALS WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

STAYING ON THAT SUBJECT OF TRANSPORTATION, LOOKING AT TRAFFIC IMPACTS, A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS PERFORMED, LOOKING AT THE IMPACTS BOTH OF THIS MULTIFAMILY AS WELL AS THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF THE FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OUT TO 2030.

THAT TIRE INDICATED THAT THE TWO MOST ADJACENT ROADWAYS, NORTH LOCUST AND EASTBOUND LOOP TO 88, WOULD CONTINUE TO OPERATE AT OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE RD OR HIGHER THROUGH THE STUDY HORIZON.

AND THAT'S INCLUDING NOT JUST THE IMPACT.

OF THIS MULTIFAMILY, BUT ALSO THAT POTENTIAL FUTURE COMMERCIAL.

HE ALSO SHOWED THAT MOST SURROUNDING INTERSECTIONS WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE A LEVEL OF SERVICE RD OR BETTER THROUGH THE HORIZON OF THE STUDY.

FOR CERTAIN TURNS IT WOULD BE BELOW LEVEL OF SERVICE TO AT PEAK TIMES.

SO AGAIN THAT LOCUST AND BEALE INTERSECTION.

AND TO MITIGATE THAT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE CONSTRUCTED AND IS PROPOSED TO BE CONSTRUCTED.

LEFT TURNS AT LOCUST IN 288 WOULD BE AFFECTED AND THEREFORE, PER THE TIA, THE DEVELOPER WILL CONTRIBUTE THEIR PROPORTIONATE SHARE TOWARDS THE COST OF A FUTURE SIGNAL.

AT THAT POINT, THE LEFT TURN ON THE LOCUST AND HERCULES.

THE IMPACT OF THE SITE WAS MINIMAL ENOUGH THAT NO CONTRIBUTIONS WERE INDICATED BY THE TIA.

AND THEN IT LOCUST AN ARMY IN ORDER TO MITIGATE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, THERE WILL HAVE THAT FUTURE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS SUBJECT TO TEXT APPROVAL.

IN ADDITION, IF AND WHEN THAT FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, THEY WOULD UPDATE THAT TIRE AND MAKE THE INDICATED ANY INDICATED PROPORTIONATE PAYMENTS TOWARDS ANY FUTURE SIGNALS. ALSO DIDN'T WANT TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS.

THERE WERE SOME REQUESTS BROUGHT UP ABOUT ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS, IMPROVEMENTS TO LOCUST SOUTH.

THIS SITE WOULD SIMPLY JUST BE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF THE SITE INDICATED BY THE TIRE.

IN THE SAME WAY, THE TIRE DID NOT INDICATE THAT WIDENING LOCUST.

WOULD BE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF THIS.

WE ALSO NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THAT IS A TEXTILE FACILITY AND NOT SUBJECT TO OUR DECISION TO WIDEN.

SO OVERALL, THE ADJACENT STREETS WILL OPERATE AT THE ACCEPTABLE LEVEL.

MOST TRAINS WILL OPERATE AT LEVEL OF SERVICE.

RD AND MITIGATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED WHERE REQUIRED.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE ALWAYS WANT TO LOOK AT.

ALIGNING WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR FUTURE LAND USE.

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MAP HERE SHOWS THAT THIS AREA IS A COMMUNITY MIXED USE AREA, SO THAT'S INTENDED FOR A MIX OF USES, PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL BUT WITH SUPPORTING RESIDENTIAL.

AND IT'S AN AREA THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS REPRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HIGHER DENSITY AND MIXED USE HOUSING TYPES WITHOUT IMPACTING NEARBY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO THIS WOULD REALLY BE PROVIDING A COMPLEMENTARY RESIDENTIAL USE TO ENCOURAGE AND SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MIXED USE AREA AT THIS INTERSECTION.

AND IT'D BE PROVIDING SOME HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING, BUT IN A LOCATION WHERE IT WOULD BE BUFFERED BY THAT SURROUNDING OPEN SPACE FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS.

THIS IS ALSO ONE OF OUR CENTRAL FOCUS AREAS, THAT INTERSECTION OF LOCUST IN 288.

AND IN LINE WITH THAT, THE BUILDINGS, MOST OF THEM ALIGN WITH OUR GOALS WITHIN THE CENTER FOCUS AREA AND MEET MANY OF OUR URBAN DESIGN PRINCIPLES.

SO A HIGHER LEVEL OF DESIGN WHICH IS APPROPRIATE AT ONE OF THESE CENTER FOCUS AREAS.

AS WE DISCUSSED, INCREASED MOBILITY, CONSTRUCTING STREETS AND SIDEWALKS IN THIS AREA HELPS TO ACHIEVE OUR MOBILITY GOALS, PROVIDING BETTER PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICLE MOBILITY THROUGH THE AREA.

IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

SO THIS IS AN SC ZONE PROPERTY ALREADY PERMITS BY RIGHT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AT OR GREATER THAN THE INTENSITY OF PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY.

THERE IS THERE ARE MULTIPLE USES IN THIS AREA.

SO YOU HAVE THE VACANT TRACTS THAT ARE ZONED TO THE NORTHWEST THERE CHURCH AND VACANT C ZONE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH AND RESIDENTIAL BUFFERED BY STREETS AND SURROUNDING OPEN SPACE AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR INCREASED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY SUPPORTED BY THIS PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS LOCATION THE INTERSECTION OF A PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ARTERIAL NEAR OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES BUT BUFFERED FROM THEM.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE MULTIFAMILY RIGHT ON TOP OF SINGLE FAMILY.

THIS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO SUPPORT A HEALTHY MIX OF USES AT ONE OF OUR KEY INTERSECTIONS AND SUPPORT FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD SERVE THESE RESIDENTS AND THE RESIDENTS OF THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE DID OUR NOTIFICATIONS OUT TO 205 HUNDRED FEET.

WE DID RECEIVE SIX RESPONSES IN OPPOSITION.

THE APPLICANT DID HOLD TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK MORE TO THAT.

THEY ARE HERE AND HAVE A PRESENTATION.

PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 6 TO 0 WITH CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR EYES.

AND THE ORDINANCE AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS IN YOUR EYES AND ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THIS DOES MEET OUR CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

THAT IS MY PRESENTATION.

I'M HAPPY TO STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE THE APPLICANT PRESENTS MAYOR PRO TEM.

MR. MAYOR. SEAN, WHAT'S OUR WHAT'S OUR STANDARD THRESHOLD FOR TRAFFIC IMPACT LEVEL OF SERVICE LEVEL SERVICE D E D D SO.

SO THAT'S OUR OUR MINIMUM STANDARD? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THEN I'LL RESERVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS FOR AFTER THE OTHER PRESENTATIONS.

THANK YOU. OKAY, VERY GOOD.

SO I'LL CALL UP TREY JACOBSON.

I'M ASSUMING THERE'S NO.

YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY, ONE OF YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE RECUSED.

IF SO. OKAY.

AND SO 20 MINUTES, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. SO YOU TAKE THAT LONG MIRROR FROM US.

BLESS YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

COUNCIL. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS TREY JACOBSON, AND I'M PART OF THE PROJECT TEAM FOR THIS PROJECT.

I'M BASED OUT OF SAN ANTONIO.

WITH ME TODAY IS ALSO BRIAN BRIDGEWATER WITH MANATT CONSULTING, A CIVIL ENGINEER WITH DALLAS.

AND WE ARE REPRESENTING THE LANDMARK COMPANIES, WHICH IS A NATIONAL DEVELOPMENT COMPANY BASED IN FLORIDA.

AND WE HAVE COLLECTIVELY, OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THEM ON A NUMBER OF HIGH QUALITY MARKET RATE APARTMENT PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE METROPLEX AND THROUGHOUT THE NATION. I HAVE TO SAY, WE'RE ACTUALLY THRILLED TO BE HERE BECAUSE THIS IS THE CULMINATION OF 18 MONTHS OF PROCESS THAT'S ACTUALLY TAKEN TO GET US HERE TODAY.

IT STARTED BACK IN MARCH OF 21 WHERE WE SENT OUT CORRESPONDENCE TO ALL RESIDENTS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE SITE.

WE CONDUCTED AN ONLINE SURVEY.

WE ASKED THEM SOME OF THE THINGS AND THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE SITE AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE HEARD WERE, PLEASE DON'T MAKE THIS A COMMERCIAL AREA.

THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THINGS RELATED TO BEING A COMMERCIAL AREA, CONCERNED, OF COURSE, ABOUT TRAFFIC.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE GOT A REQUEST ON IS CAN YOU DO WALK IN TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS THAT HELP CONNECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THAT INFORMATION? WE PUT TOGETHER OUR FIRST SITE PLAN WE PRESENTED IN THE JULY OF 21.

SO OVER ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF AGO AT THE ASBURY UNITED METHODIST CHURCH.

AND WHAT WE HEARD WAS THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR APARTMENTS VERSUS THOSE TYPES OF COMMERCIAL UNITS.

THEY LIKE THE FACT THAT WE WERE MOVING ALL THE TRAFFIC AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY LIKE THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC SIGNAL.

AND BILL, AGAIN, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC OF THESE THINGS.

AND AS SEAN MENTIONED IN HIS PRESENTATION, THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT ATLAS DRIVE CONNECTING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CONCERN ABOUT PASS THROUGH TRAFFIC.

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NOW, THE STAFF PUTS THROUGH THE WRINGER ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, DESPITE OUR NEIGHBORS RECEPTIVITY TOWARD THE CONCEPT, STAFF HAD A NUMBER OF CONCERNS.

AND IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE SUP SITE PROCESS, IT REQUIRES ESSENTIALLY THAT THE ENTIRE PROJECT BE DESIGNED TO A REALLY HIGH DEGREE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT SITE PLANS, LANDSCAPING PLANS, UTILITIES, TRAFFIC STUDIES WERE ALL DONE AS PART OF THIS.

AGAIN, WE WENT THROUGH TEN RECENT METALS OVER 18 MONTHS.

IT'S NOT MATERIAL TO THIS.

I KNOW WE'RE WELL INTO $200,000 WORTH OF DESIGN TO GET TO THIS POINT AND BUT WE WERE ABLE, ONCE THE STAFF HAD MADE THE GOT THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND WE CONDUCTED IT, IT MET THE REQUIREMENTS IN THEIR SUPPORT.

WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON OCTOBER THE 19TH.

AND AGAIN, WE CONTINUE TO HEAR GENERALLY SUPPORT FOR APARTMENTS VERSUS COMMERCIAL USE.

AGAIN, LIKING THE FACT THAT TRAFFIC WAS MOVING AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOWARD LOCUST.

THEY LIKED THE FACT THAT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WOULD BE GOING ON AT BILL AND HOPEFULLY MITIGATING SOME OF THE TRAFFIC.

AND AS SEAN MENTIONED IN HIS PRESENTATION, ATLAS TRIBE WOULD NOT BE PASS THROUGH, BUT HAVE IT BE AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY FOR FIRE REQUIREMENTS.

THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT DISRUPTION TO WILDLIFE AND THERE WAS ALSO JUST A BROAD CONCERN ABOUT KIND OF UNRESOLVED ISSUES AROUND TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE GENERALLY IN THE WHOLE AREA. SO THE CURRENT ZONING, AS SEAN MENTIONED, IS SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUT OF YOUR CODE, WHICH PROVIDES FOR MODERATE TO HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL OFFICE RETAIL ALONG CORRIDORS.

AND SOME OF THOSE ARE YOUR TYPICAL TYPES OF RETAIL USES.

BUT AS I'VE HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN YELLOW, MULTIFAMILY IS SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT IN C, ZONING IS PERMITTED PROVIDED THAT IT HAS AN SUP, WHICH IS THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY.

NOW, THIS IS A SITE, THAT LOCATION THAT WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IN DENTON.

THIS IS A UNIVERSITY IN CARROLL BOULEVARD.

THERE'S A KROGER GROCERY STORE HERE.

EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THIS YELLOW AREA IS 21.7, EIGHT ACRES OF RETAIL.

AND THIS IS A FAIRLY HIGH CONCENTRATED AREA OF RETAIL IN THIS COMMUNITY.

THIS SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS 54 ACRES.

SO IMAGINE IF THE ENTIRE SITE WERE DEVELOPED FOR HIGH DENSITY COMMERCIAL, HOW BAD IT WOULD BE.

AND SO THAT REALLY PRESENTS THE KIND OF THE FUNDAMENTAL LAND USE QUESTION BEFORE YOU TODAY IS, IS IT BETTER FOR THIS ENTIRE 54 ACRES TO BE HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL RETAIL, OR IS IT BETTER TO HAVE PART OF THE SITE BE DEVELOPED WITH AS AS MULTIFAMILY IS A BUFFER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO THE SITE PLAN, WHICH WAS ULTIMATELY PROVIDED, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE IN COLOR, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE AREAS ON IN THIS PRESENTATION THAT ARE GOING TO REMAIN FOR THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS AN AREA RIGHT HERE WHERE THE IT WOULD BE GATED ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY ONLY SO WOULD NOT ALLOW PENETRATION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THIS I SHOULD JUST ORIENT YOU KNOW HERCULES IS TO THE TO THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN AND TO 80/8 TO THE RIGHT AND LUCAS'S TO THE TOP.

SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE IS TO THE BOTTOM.

AND SINCE WE ARE, EVEN THOUGH WE DO HAVE A DM EASEMENT OVER OVER 110 FEET SEPARATING THE PROPERTY LINES HERE, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK A LOT OF CARE AND THE STAFF TOOK A LOT OF CARE WHEN THEY WERE DESIGNING THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS THAT WE HAD A LOT OF TREES, A LOT OF BUFFERS THAT WE WEREN'T HAVING, A LOT OF PARKING LOTS FACING THOSE NEIGHBORS WEREN'T HAVING HEADLIGHTS. FACING THOSE NEIGHBORS.

WE HAVE THE WALKING TRAIL, THE DETENTION SYSTEMS, A WET STANDING, WET POND WITH FOUNTAIN.

SO IT'S INTENDED TO BE NICE AND NOT HAVE IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBORS.

EVERYTHING THAT IS NOT IN YELLOW ON THIS SITE IS THE FIRST PHASE.

SO ALL THE ROADS, ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS, ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, DEDICATIONS, ALL THE DETENTION SYSTEMS WILL ALL BE DONE AS PHASE ONE.

AND THE SECOND PHASE WHICH WOULD BE OCCURRING LATER, AS IS A SECOND, WOULD BE THE PART IN YELLOW.

BUT ALL THE RETAIL OPPORTUNITIES AND ALL THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE SURROUNDING THAT WOULD ALL BE IN PLACE FOR THAT FIRST PHASE.

FIRST PHASE WILL START IN 2023 TO 2025 WITH THE SECOND PHASE STARTING A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER TO ALLOW FOR BUILD OUT FOR THE PROJECT TO LEASE OUT.

AT THIS POINT I WILL STOP THERE.

I TRIED TO KEEP IT SHORT AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY OR TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COUNCILMAN DAVIS MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE LISTED TO EASE, THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT YOU'RE YOUR CLIENTS ON, ON BOARD WITH, THAT IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS UP WITH THE CONDITIONS AS THEY'RE LISTED OUT, THAT YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.

AND THEN SPECIFICALLY, I'M LOOKING AT A NUMBER FOR THE THAT SPEAKS TO CRITERIA MANUALS FOR SIDEWALKS AND STREETS.

AND THEN MR. OTHER, MR. JACOBSON MENTIONED THAT ATLAS EXTENSION, THAT BOULEVARD IS GOING TO BE BUILT TO NEIGHBORHOOD STREET STANDARDS.

SO ACCORDING TO OUR STREETS CRITERIA MANUAL.

SO IN ALL THAT TRACKS WITH YOUR CLIENT'S UNDERSTANDING OF THE SAP AND THE CONDITIONS.

AND EXACTLY AS SEAN LINED IT OUT FOR US.

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YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I JUST HAVE ONE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SHAWN, BUT IS THIS NOT THE CHURCH THAT HAS THE CELL TOWER AND YOU'RE ON BOARD? YOU'RE MAYOR.

WELL, VERY AWARE OF THAT ZONING CASE AND WHAT CAME FORWARD WITH THE COUNCIL IN THE RECENT MONTHS.

AND IN FACT, WE WERE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE CHURCH AS OUR NEIGHBOR THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

AND SO WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.

OKAY, VERY GOOD. JUST NEED TO GET THAT DOCUMENTED.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO I HAVE A FEW CARDS, MR. DALTON. ALLEN, IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES.

COULD SEE YOU. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

MY NAME IS DALTON ALLEN.

I LIVE AT 150 HOBSON LANE IN DENTON.

I AM THE REALTOR THAT'S INVOLVED IN THIS, SO I DO HAVE A STAKE IN IT.

BUT I WANTED TO TO TO COME AND GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.

THE SELLER STARTED THE PROCESS OF WANTING TO SELL THIS PROPERTY TEN YEARS AGO.

WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE PEOPLE COME AND ASK AND BE INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY, BUT THE SC ZONING ALLOWS BARS, IT ALLOWS WELL, IT ALLOWS ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT DOESN'T MEET THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT'S AROUND IT.

AS FAR AS THE SELLERS ARE CONCERNED, THEIR DESIRE.

THIS LOCATION IS A GATEWAY TO THE CITY.

IT'S THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LOOP 288 AND NORTH LOCUST.

THEIR BELIEF IN THEIR DESIRE IS TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WILL LOOK THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD AS A GATEWAY TO DENTON.

THEY WANT TO SUPPORT THIS CITY.

THEY WANT TO SUPPORT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY DID NOT WANT MULTIPLE OTHER PEOPLE TO BUILD WHAT THEY WANTED TO IN THIS LOCATION.

WE'VE COME TO AGREE WITH LANDMARK IN THEIR DESIGNS.

EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE ASKED TO DO LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A LOVELY DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S GOT ACRES OF PARKS AND SIDEWALKS AND THINGS THAT PEOPLE CAN USE AND THE SELLERS ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

THEY ALSO ASK ME TO SEND THEIR REGRETS TONIGHT.

THEY'RE ATTEMPTED TO COME.

THEY'VE BEEN UNABLE TO.

THEY'RE ALL 80 AND PLUS SIGNIFICANTLY PLUS IN SOME CASES, AND THEY JUST WERE NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. ALSO, LAUREN, LAUREN UPCHURCH.

AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

IF YOU DO WANT TO SPEAK ON IT, PLEASE JUST FILL OUT A BLUE CARD AND YOU CAN COME RIGHT UP.

BUT, LAUREN, IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LAUREN UPCHURCH.

I LIVE AT 4012 ATLAS DRIVE IN THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THIS TRACT OF LAND AND UNDER CONSIDERATION.

I, IN FACT, LIVE LIKE FOUR HOUSES DOWN FROM THE STUB OF ATLAS DRIVE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO BEING OPENED UP AS AN EXTENDING THROUGH THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

I COME OUT IN SUPPORT OF THIS PLAN THAT LANDMARK IS PUTTING FORWARD AND IN SUPPORT OF THEM GETTING THEIR SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

WHEN I GO OUT INTO MY FRONT YARD AND I LOOK DOWN THAT STREET, ONCE IT'S OPENED UP, I WOULD GREATLY PREFER TO SEE A NICELY WELL MANICURED APARTMENT COMPLEX THERE AS OPPOSED TO BACKSIDE OF RETAIL, YOU KNOW, ENDLESS PARKING LOTS FOR RETAIL, OFFICE SPACE, WHATEVER.

SO THAT IS A CERTAINLY A PERSONAL PREFERENCE AS A NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE OPENING OF THIS LANE. AND I ALSO SUPPORT THE ATLAS DRIVE BEING BLOCKED OFF AS EMERGENCY USE ONLY AS OUTLINED IN THE PLAN PUT FORWARD.

BECAUSE WE DO OUR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OUR STREETS CANNOT SUPPORT DRIVE THRU TRAFFIC.

WE HAVE AND I SAY THIS AS A FORMER PANDEMIC DELIVERY DRIVER, I'VE SEEN PRETTY MUCH EVERY RESIDENTIAL STREET IN DENTON.

AND I GOT TO SAY, WE HAVE PROBABLY SOME OF THE WORST AND I KNOW SOME OF Y'ALL HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO IT BECAUSE Y'ALL GOT SOME WORK GOING ON THAT YOU GOT TO DO FIRST.

BUT ANYWAYS, THAT'S A SEPARATE THING.

BUT YES, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE THE TRAFFIC KEPT SEPARATE, BUT I AM ALSO VERY HAPPY TO SEE THEM HAVE PEDESTRIAN WISE AS

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CONNECTED AND EVEN BETTER, THOSE TRAILS WALKING TRAILS.

MY ME AND MY DOG WILL HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME GOING DOWN THOSE.

AND YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT, YES, YOU HAVE SEEN THE SIZE OF THIS TRACT OF LAND.

IT IS LIKE WAY LARGER THAN ANYTHING THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY NEED AS FAR AS COMMERCIAL USE IN THIS AREA FOR LIKE WE WOULDN'T YOU KNOW, THIS PART OF TOWN IS NOT GOING TO NEED THAT MUCH COMMERCIAL FOR DECADES TO COME FOR THESE SELLERS TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR LAND NOW.

AND WHAT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THIS LAND NOW IS FOR MORE RESIDENTIAL.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE GREATER DFW AREA FOR MOST OF MY LIFE, AND I HAVE SEEN OUR, YOU KNOW, THIS METROPLEX GROW AND GROW AND GROW OVER DECADES.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S COMING TO DENTON, THAT'S SPECIFICALLY COMING TO THIS NORTH SIDE OF DENTON.

SO I WOULD I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY BETTER TO START WITH THESE RESIDENTIAL, THESE MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS. YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE HAVING THOSE AS A BUFFER BETWEEN US AND THE COMMERCIAL.

YES, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL THERE, BUT WE DO NOT NEED 54 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL RIGHT THERE.

IN FACT, THERE'S SOME COMMERCIAL OVER PRESIDIO PLAZA AT 288 AND 35.

AND I MEAN, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE BARELY LIMPING ALONG.

LIKE, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE MUCH DEMAND FOR COMMERCIAL THIS FAR NORTH JUST YET.

SO WITH THAT, I GIVE MY SUPPORT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

AND SO THAT THE NEXT SPEAKER LAST SPEAKER I HAVE IS MARY.

AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY YOUR LAST NAME WRONG.

WE GET SOME HELP. AND IF YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES.

AND THE MARY Q FELT 317 MIDDLE LANE 76207.

AND I GUESS IT AT THIS POINT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IT'S A GOOD PROJECT.

I THINK THOSE THAT LIVE IN DENTON ARE TIRED OF SEEING EVERY PIECE OF LAND THAT'S FREE WITH LOTS OF PIPES FOR LOTS OF APARTMENTS.

AND SO WE KEEP THINKING, OKAY, THE TRAFFIC'S BAD, THE DRIVERS ARE BAD.

AND SO AT THIS POINT MY CONCERN IS.

WIDENING LOCUS.

I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

THE FACT THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT CLOSER TO THE APARTMENT SUGGESTS THAT THERE WON'T BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT RIGHT THERE IN HERCULES AND NORTH LOCUST, AND THAT'S A MAIN ARTERY THAT'S GOING TO GET MORE CONGESTED.

AND RIGHT AT THIS POINT, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BAR DITCH AND ONE LANE EACH WAY.

AND IF YOU WERE TO GO SOUTH INTO DENTON, THERE IS NO LEFT TURN LANE FOR, I THINK, PLUM HOLLOW, TANGLEWOOD, NORTH BELL OR EVEN WINDSOR, WHICH IS A PRETTY MAJOR ARTERY.

AND SO MY CONCERN IS FOR THAT AND THE TRAFFIC TURNING LEFT, FOR INSTANCE, GOING INTO TOWN FROM HERCULES, YOU'VE GOT THESE, YOU'VE GOT THAT NEW, THEY JUST PUNCH THROUGH HERCULES WITH ALL THOSE NORTH POINT HOMES, FIVE DIFFERENT PHASES.

AND SO RIGHT NOW THE TRAFFIC IS TOLERABLE.

BUT AS YOU KNOW, AS IT GETS WORSE, IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING AND YOU JUST PUT ANOTHER YOU PUT 1000 AND WHAT, 21 AUTOS OR WHATEVER IN THERE, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO START.

AM MAKING UNWISE DECISIONS JUST TO GET IN, JUST TO NOT WAIT FOR ALL THE TRAFFIC AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ACCIDENTS.

THE OTHER POINT IS JUST THAT NORTH LOCUS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE MAIN ROUTE OUT OF TOWN FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT A BOAT CAMP RECREATED AND GOING STRAIGHT UP TO THE LAKE.

AND THAT NEEDS TO BE A VERY SAFE PLACE FOR OUR FAMILIES.

JUST WHEN YOU DO THE EXTRA, WHEN YOU MAKE EXTRA.

APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT THE PEOPLE IN DENTON WHO ALREADY LIVE HERE WOULD BE CONSIDERED THAT IT WOULDN'T BECOME MORE MISERABLE FOR US THAN IT WOULD BE SAFE.

SO THAT WAS MY MY MAIN PLEA.

SO. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT. GOOD POINT.

ANY OTHER ANY OTHER SPEAKERS SEEING? NONE I. IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WILL QUESTIONS AGAIN.

SO OUR MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO I ATTENDED THOSE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS.

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I'VE TALKED TO THE DEVELOPERS, TALKED TO A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS.

I THINK THE STORY IS PRETTY CONSISTENT.

THE NEIGHBORS ARE NOT OBJECTING TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THERE'S THERE'S SOME THAT WOULD LIKE SOME SMALL PERTURBATIONS HERE AND THERE.

BUT IN GENERAL, THE LANGUAGE THAT I'VE HEARD FROM MY CONSTITUENTS IN THE AREA IS REASONABLY SUPPORTIVE BUT GERMANE TO THE QUESTION I ASKED SHAWN JACOBSON NOT TO GET OUR JACOBSON'S CONFUSED.

WAS THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE THE QUESTION I ASKED EARLY ON HER HERCULES AND LOCUST? I UNDERSTAND THAT LOCUS IS PROBLEMATIC FOR US AS A TECH STOCK ROAD, BUT OUR, OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO HAVE START WITH LEVEL OF D SERVICE. SO WHILE I THINK IN GENERAL, THIS AREA OF DISTRICT TWO IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF HEARTBURN PER SE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. WHAT THERE IS A LOT OF HEARTBURN IS THE MOBILITY PLANNING AND PERHAPS THAT MOBILITY PLANNING IS OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPER'S PURVIEW. IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'VE TAKEN STEPS TO DO WHAT THEY CAN WITH WHAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE TO THEM.

BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY INCUMBENT ON US IF WE SUPPORT THIS, TO TO MAKE THIS TO MAKE TRAFFIC UPGRADES AT THIS INTERSECTION AN EXTREMELY HIGH PRIORITY AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, BECAUSE OUR OUR CONSTITUENCY IS GOING TO BE MISERABLE IN VERY SHORT ORDER. AND TO GO ALONG WITH THAT, I ASKED THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE APPROVE THIS? I ALSO ASK A SIMILAR REQUEST THAT WE WE WE HIGHLY PRIORITIZE THE THE STORMWATER RUNOFF FOR THIS REGION BECAUSE WHILE THE DEVELOPERS IS TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM THE EASEMENT, WE ALREADY HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE FOR DMAE RIGHT THERE THAT'S ACTING AS A NICE BUFFER.

THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF WORK TO MITIGATE STORMWATER RUNOFF.

THERE'S ALREADY STORMWATER RUNOFF ISSUES FROM PRIOR DEVELOPMENT THAT HAVE CROPPED UP TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORS AND THEY MADE THAT A HIGH PRIORITY TO ME AS WELL.

SO I MEAN I THINK SHOULD WE APPROVE THIS AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF HEARTBURN ABOUT APPROVING IT.

I THINK OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND COUNSEL AND STAFF IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE IMPROVE THAT WHEREVER POSSIBLE AND WITH WHATEVER LEVERS WE HAVE THE THE THE MOBILITY, THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND THE STORMWATER RUNOFF.

AND I'LL SORT OF LEAVE IT THERE.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEE COUNCIL MEMBER AGAIN AND COUNCILMAN WATCH.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO THE SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, HOW MANY FOLKS SHOWED UP AT THAT ONE? I KNOW AS I READ, YOU HAD TEN OR SO AT THE FIRST ONE.

DO YOU REMEMBER? WAS THE SECOND MEETING MORE WELL ATTENDED? YES, COUNCILMAN, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I CAN LOOK THAT UP IF YOU LIKE.

IT'S SO THE 15 ROUGHLY.

AT THAT ONE. WE SENT OUT NOTICES TO 200 PEOPLE.

THEN ONLY 15 PEOPLE CHOSE TO ATTEND.

THE FOLKS WHO THE FOLKS WHO WERE IN OPPOSITION, WAS THERE AN EFFORT MADE TO REACH OUT TO THOSE FOLKS? I THINK I SAW TOOK NOTES FROM SIX PEOPLE.

WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED OF WHO THE SIX PEOPLE ARE THAT RESPONDED TO THE CITY'S NOTICE.

SO I'M NOT AWARE OF WHO THOSE SIX PEOPLE ARE.

WE TRIED TO ENGAGE WITH EVERYBODY THAT ENGAGED WITH US OR RAISED QUESTIONS DIRECTLY THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS, SAID COUNCILMAN WATTS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. QUESTION I GUESS FOR THE APPLICANT, I KNOW THAT TYPICALLY IN MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS THAT ARE THAT ARE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.

I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT YOUR GREEN SPACE BUFFER.

SOMETIMES THERE'S AN IT MIGHT BE THAT IT'S IN LIEU OF MAYBE SOME OF THAT.

IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY TYPE OF DECORATIVE FENCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS GOING TO BE JUST AROUND THE PROPERTIES, UP AROUND THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS? OR IS THERE ANYTHING ALONG THE BETWEEN THE ATLAS HOMES AND OR IS IT JUST SO MUCH THERE'S SO MUCH BUFFER THAT IT REALLY DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S NEEDED? IF I CAN REFER TO THE PRESENTATION, IF I CAN.

SURE. WE MAY NEED IT TO ALLOW US TO SEE THE PRESENTATION.

THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU.

BUT IT'S NOT SHOWING UP.

THEY'RE SHOWING UP FOR THEM. NOT SHOWING UP IN THE ZOO.

STEVE, CAN YOU MAYBE COME OUT? AND THERE'S JUST WHILE HE'S ON ITS WAY, THERE WAS ONE CARD IN SUPPORT THAT REQUESTED NOT TO SPEAK AS WELL.

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PETER, THANK YOU. SO, COUNCILMAN, JUST TO TRY TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION.

SO THE ANSWER IS THAT THERE ARE IS DECORATIVE FENCING THAT'S AROUND THE PROJECT ITSELF FOR SECURITY REASONS.

AND IF YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THIS KIND OF SHOWS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO IN ADDITION TO THE BUFFER, THERE'S A BUFFER AREA IN ADDITION TO THAT PROVIDED ONTO TO BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS WITH TREES PLANTED ALONG IN A HIGH INTENSITY LANDSCAPE AND THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROJECT, AND TENDED TO BUFFER AND BUFFER THE PARKING LOTS AND ANY OF THE THINGS THERE TO KIND OF MAKE THE AREA MORE ATTRACTIVE, NOT JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE 130 FEET AWAY, BUT ALSO FOR THE PEOPLE WHO MAY BE USING THE TRAIL.

OF COURSE, THERE'S A NATURAL WET POND WITH THE FOUNTAIN ALSO KIND OF CREATING MORE OF A PARK LIKE ATMOSPHERE.

I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT WHILE THE FENCING IS THERE, IT DOESN'T IT DOES NOT BLOCK THE ROAD.

YES, IT'S WROUGHT IRON.

YES, I UNDERSTAND YOU VERY MUCH SO.

AND, YOU KNOW, TREES CAME UP EARLIER IN THE CONVERSATION.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY I DID THE LANDSCAPE PLAN COUNT THERE.

A TOTAL OF 456 NEW TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ULTIMATELY PLANTED ON THE SITE, WHICH IS LARGELY A CLEAR CUT AGRICULTURAL SITE.

SO THERE'S A HIGH INTENSE INTENSITY IN TERMS OF TREE PLANTING AND LANDSCAPING, WHICH IS GOING TO GO ON ON ON ALL THE STREETS IN ALL THE RIGHT OF WAYS IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S IN THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE. SO A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP, MAYOR, IF I COULD.

WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TREES AND I'M LOOKING AT THE TREES THAT ARE SORT OF ADJACENT TO THE BUILDINGS AND GRAY THAT CLOSE TO THEM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN THERE, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE GREEN SPACE BUFFER WILL NOT BE ALL SPRINKLED, BUT ARE THE TREES UP OR WOULD ALL BE SPRINKLED WITH THE WHOLE THING, EVEN THAT EVEN THAT 130, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF TREES, BUT IT ALSO REQUIRES A LOT OF IRRIGATION.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THE DM EASEMENT AT ALL.

IT WILL BE A SPRINKLER BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY ENCOURAGE THAT.

EVERYTHING WITHIN WE HAVE TO MAKE PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT LANDSCAPING PLAN STICKS.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO IRRIGATE IN THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE THINGS TAKE GRASS, TREES, SHRUBBERIES, EVERYTHING.

SO FANTASTIC. THANK YOU.

AND I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR STAFF.

THANK YOU, SIR. SO YOU'D HEARD THE COMMENTS BY MAYOR PRO TEM BECK ABOUT DRAINAGE, STORMWATER, THESE KINDS OF THINGS, ALL THOSE. DID YOU HEAR ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ADDRESSED AT SOME POINT DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, EITHER THROUGH PLATTING, THROUGH PERMITTING, THROUGH THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT THAT OUR CODE DOESN'T ADDRESS IN REGARD TO SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT HE RAISED OR THOSE ARE ALL PRETTY MUCH ADDRESSED SOMEWHERE IN THE PROCESS.

YEAH. NO, SIR.

IN TERMS OF THE DRAINAGE, THAT WOULD ALL NEED TO BE FULLY ASSESSED.

AND ACTUALLY, I'LL NOTE THAT THE TWO DRAINAGE PONDS PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS, THEY'RE DESIGNED TO NOT ONLY HANDLE THE DRAINAGE FOR THE MULTIFAMILY SIDE, BUT FOR ALL FUTURE COMMERCIAL. SO FOR THIS 53 ACRE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE, THAT IS THE INTENTION.

AND THE INITIAL REVIEW THAT'S BEEN DONE HAS BEEN WITH THAT INTENT IN MIND.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S ALL.

MAYOR, THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCILMAN DAVIS, THANK YOU.

THIS IS A STAFF QUESTION.

SO WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS SITE IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER MANY TIMES OVER THE ABOUT THE LAST THREE YEARS, EVEN FROM THE CITYWIDE REZONING AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

AND GOOGLE MAPS HAS THAT LITTLE EPHEMERAL CREEK DOWN THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT.

AND SO I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT DRAINAGE ON THIS SITE A LOT.

I APPRECIATE MAYOR PRO TEM BRINGING IT UP.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE THREE THINGS I WAS LOOKING FOR ON THIS SITE WHEN I SAW THE SITE PLAN WAS TRAFFIC BUFFER AND THEN DRAINAGE.

DO WE KNOW YET IF WE'VE NOT YET ASSESSED FULLY KIND OF THE DOWNSTREAM EFFECTS OF DRAINAGE? WE'RE JUST NOT QUITE TO THAT STAGE OF THE PROCESS YET.

DO WE KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE DEVELOPER IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CULVERT UNDER THE STREET, UNDER HERCULES? OR DO WE FEEL LIKE THAT BETWEEN THE THE DETENTION PONDS OR I SHOULD SAY RETENTION PONDS, WHICHEVER THE PROPER TERM IS, THE WET PONDS? DO WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH KEPT ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE UPGRADES TO THAT CULVERT THAT MAKES ITS WAY DOWN TO COOPER CREEK? SO I'M GOING TO BE CAREFUL TO STAY IN MY DEPTH HERE NOT BEING AN ENGINEER, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AND I KNOW AND THIS I KNOW IS TRUE, WE CANNOT HAVE NEGATIVE DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS FROM A SITE.

SO EITHER THE SITE NEEDS TO BE DESIGNED TO DETAIN, TO PREVENT THAT, OR DOWNSTREAM CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE IN SOME WAY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO PERMIT IT AND APPROVE IT IF IT IS HAVING NEGATIVE DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS.

SURE. I THINK MY ONLY REMAINING QUESTION AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY IMPACT MY VOTE TONIGHT, IT'S JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION TO BE USEFUL TO HAVE IS WHETHER THE THE THE CULVERT UNDER HERCULES IS GOING TO HAVE AN UPGRADE AS A AS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT.

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I THINK THE OVERALL DRAINAGE SITUATION WILL BE IMPROVED.

I THINK NEIGHBORS WILL NOTICE AN IMPROVEMENT THAT THERE'S BECAUSE OF WHAT THE SITE'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN DEVELOPMENT IS CONCLUDED.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S REALLY MY ONLY REMAINING QUESTION FOR THE SIDE IS WHAT THE DRAINAGE UNDER HERCULES IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND WHAT KIND OF FLOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE.

AND I HAVE TO ADMIT, AT THIS POINT IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, I JUST DON'T KNOW.

UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND THAT'S THAT'S INTERESTING WHEN YOU FOLLOW UP.

BUT I THINK HERCULES, IT'S NOT IT HASN'T BEEN FINISHED TOO LONG.

RIGHT. SO I'M ASSUMING IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME STRETCH IT WAS JUST COMPLETED BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSED FOR A LONG TIME, I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE.

I'M ASSUMING I HOPE THEY SCALED UP, BUT WE'LL SEE.

ANYWAY, NO WORRIES. SO TWO THINGS TO POINT OUT, AND THEN I'LL LOOK FOR MOTION.

I THINK IT WILL BE.

LET ME SEE. LET ME GET THE NAME RIGHT.

SORRY. SO, MARY, I THINK ONE THING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHEN I THOUGHT ABOUT YOUR YOUR COMMENTS, TEXT ARTISTS COMING IN AND GETTING READY TO WORK ON THE SERVICE ROADS THAT ALL THE WAY DOWN LOOP TO 88.

AND SO I'M HOPING THAT'LL TAKE SOME OF THE FOCUS OFF OF THOSE KIND OF MAIN STREETS WHERE THERE IS SERVICE ROADS YOU KIND OF FORCED TO EXIT HERE OR THERE.

AND I HOPE IT KIND OF DISPERSES SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC BECAUSE YOU HAVE OTHER OPTIONS AS THEY WORK ON THOSE SERVICE ROADS ALL THE WAY AROUND.

SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO WATCH THAT AND WORK WORK WITH TEXT.

BUT I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT JUST BECAUSE IT CAME TO MIND.

AND THEN, TREY, IF YOU COULD PLEASE, I'D ASK YOU TO EMAIL ME YOUR PRESENTATION AND THEN GIVING CREDIT WHERE CREDIT'S DUE.

YOUR SLIDE ON THE 27 ACRES, THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY.

THAT'S PRETTY SPOT ON. THAT'S PRETTY.

THAT IS A GREAT VISUAL AND IT HELPS.

RIGHT. AND THEN SO SO IF YOU EMAIL ME THAT, I'D APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THEN IN THE SAME SPIRIT OF THAT, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND FEET, LIKE I DON'T UNDERSTAND FEET THAT'S 130 FEET IS 43 YARDS.

SO IT'S A GOOD FIELD GOAL.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT FIELD GOAL, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOOTBALL FIELDS, SO THAT'S HOW I HAVE TO VISUALIZE THINGS.

SO 43 YARDS IS WHAT YOU'D HAVE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS AND THE THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO ABOUT HALF A FOOTBALL FIELD.

SO THAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO KNOW BECAUSE I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THOSE BUFFERS.

SO THAT BEING SAID, I'M LOOKING FOR COUNCILMAN WATTS.

YEAH. MARY I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS RECOMMENDED BY WITH THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY THE P AND Z FUNDING IS ONLY AND ALSO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS PRESENTED.

OKAY. MOST OF MY COUNCILMAN IS THEIR SECOND MAYOR PRO TEM.

I'LL SECOND THAT WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT COUNCILOR WATTS SAID.

OK MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MARCH 2ND BY MAYOR PRO TEM.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

COUNCILMAN WATTS, ICU.

O I MAYOR PRO TEM.

HI, COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE.

COUNCILOR MCGEE I.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS, I.

UH, COUNCILMAN BURT.

I MEAN, HUDSPETH AS WELL.

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO JUST A MINUTE, RON.

I'M GOING TO TAKE THE CALLER.

STAFF CAN YOU BRING THAT CALLER UP FROM THIS IS FROM OPEN MIC.

HELLO? YES.

IF YOU IF YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE 4 MINUTES.

I JUST WANT TO SAY HELLO TO THE MAYOR AND THE REST OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS TREVON GARRETT.

I LIVE AT 701 44TH DRIVE, DENTON, TEXAS.

I'M AN UNDERGRADUATE UNC STUDENT.

I WANT TO ADDRESS A CREATIVE IDEA REGARDING THE INCREASING AMOUNTS OF SOLID WASTE RECYCLING AND THE DENSITY AND OVERALL AREA.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN NOTICEABLE INCREASES IN AIR QUALITY ALERTS, ESPECIALLY I GET AIR QUALITY TIME ON MY CELLULAR DEVICE.

I'M NOT SURE IT'S BEEN ON THE NEWS OR WHATEVER, BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF AIR QUALITY ALERTS, A LOT OF TOXIC POLLUTION AND CHEMICALS BEING SEEN OR SMELL MORE THAN NORMALLY, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

AND I CURRENTLY LIVED FOR FOUR YEARS AND DIDN'T TEST IT SO FAR, BOTH LIKE A UNT DORM AND AT A STUDENT APARTMENT EACH YEAR SEEMS LIKE MORE SOLID WASTE AND PEOPLE NOT RECYCLING AS MUCH, AND IT CONTINUES TO INCREASE.

AND FROM FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND VISUAL, IT JUST GOES ALONG AS JUST AN OVERALL PEST ISSUE AND STATISTICS.

I KNOW THIS IS A CONTINGENCY PLAN PLACE IN APRIL 2022 REGARDING A LOOK AT EXPANDING THE LANDFILL FROM 100 FEET NORTH AND 200 FEET IN HEIGHT, WHICH MAY WORK AND SEE SOME IMPROVEMENT REGARDING THIS.

BUT I WANTED TO ALSO PROPOSE AND ASK THE THOUGHTS OF THE WHOLE COUNCIL ARE ANOTHER STRATEGY TO PUT ON THE TABLE AS TO WHAT IF WE CAN INCLUDE MORE RECYCLING SENSORS AND SOLID

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WASTE INCINERATORS AROUND IT, AND ESPECIALLY AT THE STUDENT APARTMENTS AND PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS LIKE YOU AND ME AND TWU, TO REMOVE MORE SOLID WASTE AND INCREASE INCREASING RECYCLING FUNDAMENTALS.

AND I THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME.

AND I HAVE I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS FOR GIVING ME THE PATIENCE AND OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.

OK THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AS WELL.

OK THAT TAKES US TO OUR ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

[A. Conduct the first of two readings of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas annexing approximately 18.60 acres of land, generally located approximately 500 feet north of US 380 (University Drive) and east of Thomas J. Egan Road into the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; providing for a correction to the city map to include the annexed land; and providing for a savings clause and an effective date. (A22-0001b, 380 and Thomas J Egan, Ron Menguita)]

FIRST IS SIX A, WHICH IS A220001B CONDUCT THE FIRST OF TWO READINGS OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS ANNEX AND APPROXIMATELY 18.60 ACRES OF LAND GENERALLY LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 500 FEET NORTH OF US 380 AND EAST OF THOMAS J.

EGAN ROAD INTO THE CITY OF DENTON, DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS, PROVIDING FOR A CORRECT CORRECTION IN THE CITY MAP TO INCLUDE THE ANNEXED LAND AND PROVIDING FOR A SAFE FOR A SAVINGS CLAUSE AND EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

THIS IS THE THIRD ITEM ON THIS AGENDA RELATED TO THIS ANNEXATION PETITION.

AS STATED IN THE INTRODUCTION, THIS WILL BE THE FIRST READING OF TWO.

THE SECOND READING AGAIN IS SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY OF 2023.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE AS WE'VE SEEN ALREADY TONIGHT.

FOR THE RECORD, I'M GOING TO READ THE CAPTION AS SHOWN HERE.

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY 18.6 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 500 FEET NORTH OF US, 380 AND EAST OF TOM'S EAGAN ROAD INTO THE CITY OF DENTON, DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS, PROVIDING FOR A CORRECTION TO THE CITY MAP TO INCLUDE THE ANNEXED LAND AND PROVIDING FOR A SAVINGS CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTION.

THERE IS NO ACTION FOR THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

TAKES US TO ITEM B, WHICH SIX B, WHICH IS ID 222208.

[B. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, amending the fiscal year 2021-2022 budget and annual program of services of the City of Denton to allow for adjustments to the Materials Management Fund of six hundred fifty thousand dollars ($650,000) for the purpose of funding inventory for Denton Municipal Electric and to accommodate supply chain and demand challenges; declaring a public purpose; directing the City Secretary attach a copy to the 2021-2022 budget; requiring approval by at least five votes; and providing a severability clause, an open meetings clause, and an effective date.]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE OF CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2021 2022 BUDGET AND ANNUAL PROGRAM OF SERVICES OF THE CITY OF DENTON TO ALLOW FOR ADJUSTMENT FOR MATERIALS MANAGEMENT FUND OF $650,000 FOR THE PURPOSE OF FUNDING INVENTORY FOR DENTON MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

DANIEL STANFORD, BUDGET MANAGER.

GET THIS UP ON THE SCREEN.

ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION REQUESTING A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT FUND IN THE AMOUNT OF $650,000.

THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT IS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2122.

IT WILL INCREASE EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY FROM 16.4 MILLION TO 17 MILLION.

AND THE MAJOR DRIVING FACTORS FOR THIS AMENDMENT ARE THE INVENTORY FOR TME AND THE SUPPLY AND SUPPLY CHAIN AND DEMAND ISSUES THAT THE WAREHOUSE HAS FACED.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

OK. LET ME CLARIFY SOMETHING, I THINK.

IS THERE A TODD FINDLAY? TODD FINLEY. HE LEFT.

HE LEFT. HE WAS BECAUSE THIS SAYS SIX B, BUT I THINK HE MAYBE MEANT FIVE B.

OCH. WELL, IF HE COMES BACK, TELL HIM I'M SORRY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. CAN, CAN YOU GIVE US JUST A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL ABOUT HOW THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT WILL HELP US MANAGE THE INVENTORY? I THINK DMG IS IN A REALLY GOOD JOB OF MAKING US AWARE OF THE INVENTORY ISSUES AND THE LEAD TIME PROBLEMS WE'RE HAVING WITH A LOT OF OUR REALLY CRITICAL INVENTORY.

CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND ON HOW THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET AMENDMENT IS GOING TO HELP US WITH SOME OF THOSE ISSUES? LET ME SEE IF TAMMY'S ACTUALLY HERE.

TERRY, FILTERS COME DOWN TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

I DON'T NEED LIKE PART NUMBERS AND EVERYTHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST IN A IN A GENERAL WAY, BECAUSE YOU ALL YOU ALL ARE VERY AWARE WE GET WE GET QUESTIONS A LOT ON SOME OF THESE LEAD TIME ISSUES WE'VE GOT.

THANK YOU. JERRY FIELDER, ENGINEERING DIVISION MANAGER FOR MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC.

YES, WE ARE STILL UNDERGOING A LOT OF CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH OUR INVENTORY.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE COME TO YOU AND WE'VE WE'VE SENT YOU SEVERAL ICES ABOUT WHAT WE'VE HAD WITH SUBDIVISIONS AND TRANSFORMERS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SOME STUFF WITH CONDUIT AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER TYPES THAT WE GET.

AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THIS IS INTENDED TO DO, IS TO RESHAPE THE BUDGET FOR THE WAREHOUSE SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDS FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY BOUGHT AND THINGS HAVE GOTTEN A WHOLE LOT HIGHER.

I GUESS THAT'S THE THAT'S THE CRUX OF MY QUESTION.

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ARE WE NEEDING THEM IN THE BUDGET? BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE MORE.

WE NEED TO BUY MORE AT ONE TIME SO WE HAVE IT, OR ARE WE AMENDING THE BUDGET BECAUSE COST HAS GONE UP? JUST KIND OF HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW THE HOW THE BUDGET AMENDMENT HELPS US ADDRESS BOTH.

GOT IT. YES, SIR.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NOT. I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

MAYOR PRO TEM. IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN DAVIS. A SECOND.

MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM.

SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

DISCUSSION. GOVERNOR DAVIS.

VERY BRIEFLY, MAYOR, JUST TO SAY, YEAH, YOU'LL BE SURPRISED THE NUMBER OF FOLKS WE HEAR FROM WHO ARE NOT NECESSARILY CONNECTED TO DEVELOPMENT OR ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT SOMEHOW ARE VERY AWARE OF THE INVENTORY ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING.

SO IT IS AN ITEM OF PUBLIC INTEREST, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CLARIFICATION ON THAT STUFF AND KEEPING US VERY UP TO DATE ON IT.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

MAYOR PRO TEM. HOW SAY YOU? COUNCILMAN DAVIS, I MAGUIRE I.

CATHERINE MCGEE. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT'S.

COUNCILMEMBER BERT.

I. MAYOR HUDSPETH AS I AS WELL PASS A70 TAKES US TO SIX C,

[C. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a Construction Manager at Risk contract with McCarthy Building Companies, Inc., for construction phase services for Southeast Denton Package B Improvements for the Capital Projects Department; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFQ 7714 - awarded to McCarthy Building Companies, Inc., in the not-to-exceed amount of $21,582,378).]

WHICH IS ID TWO TO 2 TO 8 TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, A DENTON, TEXAS HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK CONTRACT WITH MCCARTHY BUILDING COMPANIES INC.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL SETH GARCIA, PROGRAM MANAGER WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS.

THIS EVENING I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION FOR YOU FOR THE AWARD OF THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR SOUTHEAST DENTON.

PACKAGE B. OKAY.

SO QUICKLY FOR THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT.

SOUTHEASTERN PACKAGE B DOES HAVE 49 ROADWAY SEGMENTS.

THAT'S ROUGHLY 21,000 LINEAR FEET OF ROADWAY ON THE MAP.

PERIOD CAN BE SEEN HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.

SOUTHEASTERN PACKAGE B IS THE AREA IN GREEN AS A WHOLE.

THAT SPACE IN THE MIDDLE IS SOUTHEASTERN PACKAGE A, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY 16,000 LINEAR FEET OF WATERLINE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS IDENTIFIED AS THE BLUE DOTTED LINES ON THE ON THE MAP THERE AND 7000 FEET OF WASTEWATER IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS THE HASH RED MARKS.

THIS IS OUR FIRST CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK PROJECT FOR HORIZONTAL PROJECTS.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST ONE THAT WE'LL BE MOVING INTO CONSTRUCTION.

SO QUICKLY FOR THE GMP PROCESS.

MCCARTHY SPLIT THIS WORK INTO FIVE MAJOR CATEGORIES.

THEY CAN BE SEEN THERE, AND THEN THEY PUBLICLY BID THOSE FIVE MAJOR WORK CATEGORIES.

THEY THEN HELD INTERVIEWS WITH THOSE HIGHEST RANKING FIRMS TO CONFIRM THE SCOPE AND PRICING.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY THEY CAN THEY CONVERTED THOSE UNIT PRICE CONTRACTS TO A LUMP SUM.

WE'LL SHOW THE PRICING OF THOSE HERE ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY, MCCARTHY BUILDING COMPANIES USE THOSE FIVE WORK PACKAGES ALONG WITH THEIR GENERAL CONDITIONS, BOND AND INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS, THEIR SEYMOUR CONTINGENCY AND THE CONTRACTORS FEE TO GIVE US A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.

SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE RESULTS OF THOSE FIVE PUBLICLY BID WORK PACKAGES IN THE FAR RIGHT.

YOU CAN SEE IN THE COMMENT SECTION THE PROPOSED CONTRACTORS OR SUBCONTRACTOR TO COMPLETE THE WORK.

SO THE TOTAL OF THE COST OF WORK IS ROUGHLY JUST UNDER 17.5 MILLION.

THIS SLIDE ALSO BREAKS DOWN THE GENERAL CONDITIONS, COSTS, COSTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE FOR INSURANCE.

THE CONTRACTOR'S FEE, WHICH WAS 6.95%, THAT WAS A PART OF THEIR RFP ORIGINALLY.

AND THEN THE BOND I'M SORRY, THE PERFORMANCE AND PAYMENT BOND.

SO IN TOTAL, WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST OVER 21 MILLION FOR THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.

SO QUICKLY THROUGH THE SCHEDULE.

OUR DESIGN FOR THIS PROJECT WAS APPROVED BACK IN OCTOBER OF 21.

WE EXECUTED THE SMART CONTRACT IN DECEMBER OF 21, SO THAT GAVE US ROUGHLY ABOUT NINE MONTHS TO DESIGN THIS PROJECT.

WE ARE ANTICIPATING, WITH YOUR APPROVAL TONIGHT, CONSTRUCTION TO BEGIN IN JANUARY OF 23 AND BE DONE EARLY QUARTER THREE OF 2024.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS SEYMOUR CONTRACT WITH MCCARTHY BUILDING COMPANIES IN THE TOTAL OF $21 MILLION FOR THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE AND THEN A SEPARATE 3% OWNER'S CONTINGENCY OUTSIDE OF THE GMP.

AND WITH THAT, I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SO EXCITED TO SEE A SIMILAR HORIZONTAL PROJECT.

I'M NOT SURE TO WHAT EXTENT THAT THAT'S BEEN UTILIZED IN OTHER PLACES.

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I'M VERY AWARE THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'RE DOING IT.

REALLY EXCITED TO SEE OR ANTICIPATE IT WORKING OUT REALLY WELL, ESPECIALLY ON A ROAD PROJECT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT KIND OF CLOSE COORDINATION ON A ROAD PROJECT.

I HOPE WE GET A GOOD RESULT OUT OF IT.

DO WE HAVE OTHERS IN THE PIPELINE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO DO CMR AS WELL? IS THIS ARE WE THINKING IF IT WORKS WELL, THIS MIGHT BE OUR OUR NEW NORMAL GOING FORWARD? GOOD WAY TO DEVELOP CONTRACTOR RELATIONSHIPS, THAT KIND OF STUFF.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO TWO WEEKS AGO WE APPROVED NEIGHBORHOODS TWO AND SIX TO GET INTO PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

WE'VE GOT TWO MORE IDENTIFIED WITH THE 2019 RESIDENTIAL BOND.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOING SIMILAR.

WE ONLY HAVE THREE PROJECTS LEFT ASSOCIATED WITH THE STREET RECONSTRUCTION OF 2019 BOND.

SO TWO OF THOSE THREE WILL BE SIMILAR THAT YOU'LL SEE COME FORWARD.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME POTENTIAL OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR SEYMOUR.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT TOOL TO US TO REALLY GAIN ALL OF THE EFFICIENCIES OUT OF THIS PROCESS.

SO I WOULD SEE THAT WE WILL BE USING IT A GOOD DEAL GOING FORWARD FOR THE PROJECTS THAT IT MAKES SENSE.

GOOD DEAL. LOCK IN THOSE 20 TO 23 PRICES.

EXACTLY. FINGERS CROSSED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MAYOR PRO TEM. YEAH.

I'M EQUALLY EXCITED TO SEE HOW THIS WORKS OUT.

CAN YOU TELL US WHERE TIME DELAYS AND COST OVERRUNS KICK IN ON THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS? YEAH. SO WE HAVE A 3% CE MARK CONTINGENCY THAT'S BUILT WITHIN THE GNP AND BASICALLY THAT IS MONEY FOR THE CONTRACTOR, THE C MA TO USE TO KEEP THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.

SO WE COULD SEE THAT BEING UTILIZED FOR IF THEY SEE A SPIKE IN SOME COST, SOME OF THAT FUNDING COULD BE USED WITHIN THE GMP.

OTHERWISE, THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY TAKING ON THE RISK OF BUILDING WHAT IS IN THE PLAN SET FOR THAT.

WE STILL HAVE OUR STANDARD LIQUIDATED DAMAGES PROVISIONS.

SO IF THEY GET OUTSIDE OF THE TIME FRAME, WE'LL STILL BE ASSESSING LIQUIDATED DAMAGES.

SO THAT IS NOT ANY DIFFERENT FROM A TYPICAL DESIGN BID.

BUILD A PROJECT FROM THE CITY SIDE.

THE ONLY ADDED FUNDS THAT YOU COULD SEE GO IN WOULD BE OWNERS DIRECTED CHANGES.

SO IF WE THAT'S THAT 3% CONTINGENCY OUTSIDE OF THE THE C CONTINGENCY.

SO IF IF WE DIRECT AN ADDITIONAL LENGTH OF CURB AND GUTTER OR ADDITIONAL VALVES FOR WATER MAINS THAT WOULD BE ADDED IN AND THEN ASSESS A FEE.

OTHERWISE IT IS ALL GOING TO BE ENCAPSULATED UNDER THAT GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.

ALL RIGHT. APPRECIATE THE EDUCATION.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.

I JUST WOULD ASK THIS THAT WE COORDINATE WITH, I GUESS, POOL PERMITS FOR THE PAST YEAR OR SO AND COORDINATE WITH THOSE THAT WOULD BE UTILIZING OAKWOOD CEMETERY TO GIVE THEM A HEADS UP, CREATE A REGULAR KIND OF DIALOG SO THAT THEY KNOW IF WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON BRADSHAW, WHEN WE'RE WORKING ON BRADSHAW SO THAT WE CAN MANAGE THAT EASY AND SAVE ME SOME EMAILS.

PERFECT. AND THEN I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT.

SO THOSE TRACKING ALONG THE EASIEST WAY TO USE A DAVID GAINES METHOD, IF YOU JUST GO TO GOOGLE AND SEARCH CITY OF DENTON BONDS.

BUT IT'S ON, BUT IT'S ON, IT'S ON THE WEBSITE AND STAFF JUST GIVING CREDIT.

WHERE CREDIT DO STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB OF TRACKING WHERE WE ARE ON THOSE BONDS, WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN DONE, WHERE WE SPENT MONEY.

SO IF YOU'RE CURIOUS ABOUT THOSE BOND PROJECTS OR WANTING TO CHECK UP ON STATUS OR WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THEM, THAT THAT'S A GREAT RESOURCE.

SO JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

RIGHT. MAYOR PRO TEM.

I MOVE APPROVAL.

COUNSELOR DAVIS I'LL SECOND THE MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. MAYOR PRO TEM HAZEL.

HI. COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

HI, COUNCIL MEMBER MAGUIRE.

I. COUNCILOR MCGEE.

COUNCILMAN, WHAT'S. ARE YOU? I'M SORRY. YEAH.

YEAH. GOT IT. COUNCILMAN BYRD.

I HUDSPETH AS WELL THAT PASS A70.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

THAT TAKES US TO SIX RD.

LAST TWO ITEMS. 60 IS ID 222288.

[D. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with United Healthcare Services, Inc., to provide Administrative Services Only (ASO) for Medical and Prescription Services for the City of Denton’s self-funded health plans; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date of January 1, 2023 (RFP 7978 -awarded to United Healthcare Services, Inc., for three (3) years, with the option for two (2) additional one (1) year extensions, in the total five (5) year not-to-exceed amount of $4,300,000.00).]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS.

A HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH UNITED HEALTH CARE SERVICES INC.

FOUR TO PROVIDE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES ONLY FOR MEDICAL AND PRESCRIPTION SERVICES.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

DEBBIE SOWINSKI, DIRECTOR, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF RISK AND COMPLIANCE.

[03:35:01]

THIS EVENING I HAVE A QUICK PRESENTATION REGARDING THE RFP FOR THE ADMINISTRATION, SERVICES FOR THE CITY'S MEDICAL AND PRESCRIPTION PLANS.

BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, THE CITY OF DENTON HAS A SELF-FUNDED, SELF-FUNDED HEALTH PLAN, MEANING THAT THE CITY FUNDS ALL OF THE MEDICAL AND PHARMACY CLAIMS AND CONTROLS THE BENEFITS PLAN, DESIGN AND PREMIUMS. SINCE 2009, THE CITY HAS CONTRACTED WITH UNITEDHEALTHCARE AS OUR THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR, OR TPA.

THE TPA PROVIDES THE MEDICAL AND PHARMACY PROVIDER NETWORK PROCESSES, CLAIMS AND PROVIDES OTHER NECESSARY SERVICES TO MANAGE THE PLAN.

BECAUSE OUR CURRENT UNITEDHEALTHCARE CONTRACT EXPIRES AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, AN RFP WAS ISSUED IN MAY AND FIVE PROPOSALS WERE RECEIVED.

STAFF WORKED WITH OUR BENEFITS CONSULTANT TO COMPARE THE COSTS OF CLAIMS AND FEES BETWEEN EACH OF THE FIVE PROPOSALS.

WE ALSO CONDUCTED AN ANALYSIS OF THE MEDICAL AND PRESCRIPTION PROVIDER NETWORKS TO DETERMINE WHAT DISRUPTION WITH PROVIDERS COULD BE EXPECTED WITH EACH PROPOSAL.

BASED ON THE EVALUATIONS AND ANALYSIS CONDUCTED, UNITEDHEALTHCARE OFFERED THE LOWEST TOTAL COST PROPOSAL.

NOT ONLY WAS UNITED HEALTH CARE'S PROPOSAL THE LOWEST TOTAL COST, IT ALSO OFFERED MANY PROGRAMS AND SERVICES.

AND ADDITIONALLY, SINCE UNITED HEALTH CARE IS OUR CURRENT TPA, EMPLOYEES AND MEMBERS WILL NOT EXPERIENCE DISRUPTION TO THE NETWORK OF PROVIDERS.

BASED ON THE EVALUATION AND ANALYSIS, UNITED HEALTH CARE'S PROPOSAL WAS DETERMINED TO BE THE LOWEST TOTAL COST AND PROVIDE THE BEST VALUE AND SERVICES FOR THE CITY'S SELF-FUNDED HEALTH PLAN. AWARDING UNITEDHEALTHCARE THE CONTRACT FOR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES FOR A MEDICAL AND PHARMACY PLANS EFFECTIVE ON JANUARY 1ST.

SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'M HAPPY TO STAND FOR QUESTIONS.

OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

SEE IN INDIA. I'LL TAKE A C AND THEN I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

COUNCILMAN DAVIS. MOVE APPROVAL.

IT'S YOUR SECOND. MAYOR PRO TEM.

A SECOND COUNCIL BY PARDON ME? MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DAVIS, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILMAN DAVIS, I SEE YOU.

MAYOR PRO TEM. HI.

COUNCILMAN MAGUIRE I COUNCILWOMAN MCGEE.

COUNCILMAN WHAT'S COUNCILMEMBER DAVE DAVIS? ALREADY GOT IT. COUNCILMAN BURT.

I MEAN, HUDSPETH IS HIS EYES.

WELL, THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TAKES US TO OUR LAST ITEM FOR THIS EVENING.

IT'S ITEM SIX ID 222313.

[E. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute two Guaranteed Maximum Price (GMP) Amendments to the Construction Manager at Risk Contract with CORE Construction Services of Texas, Inc., amending the contract approved by the City Council on June 28, 2022, in the not-to-exceed amount of $25,000.00; said GMP amendments for construction services for Fire Station No. 9 for the Facilities Management Department; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFQ 7967 - CMAR Guaranteed maximum price amendments awarded to CORE Construction Services of Texas, Inc, in the first GMP amendment amount of $4,550,786.00 and the second GMP amendment amount of $7,503,562 for a total not-to-exceed amount to $12,079,348.00).]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, A HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE TO GUARANTEE MAXIMUM PRICE.

AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK WITH CORE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES OF TEXAS INC AMENDING THE CONTRACT APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 28, 2022, AND THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $25,000, SAID G.

GMP AMENDMENTS FOR CONSTRUCTION SERVICES FOR FIRE STATION NUMBER NINE FOR.

FACILITIES MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT.

WELL. THERE.

THIS.

I WASN'T SURE. CLICK CONTROL.

DELETE THIS ONE.

IS IT? YEAH, THAT'S MOM.

HERE'S MY PRESENTATION.

RIGHT THIS WAY.

I WANT. HEAR WHAT HE HAD.