A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the FY 2021-22 Annual Comprehensive Financial Report and annual audit. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]

[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the FY 2021-22 Annual Comprehensive Financial Report and annual audit. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

NOTING NOTHING WAS PULLED FOR THIS EVENING FROM THE CONSENT.

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FIRST IS ITEM A ID 23135 RECEIVE REPORT HOLD DISCUSSION GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE FY 20 2122 ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT AND AUDIT.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I AM A PENTAGON AND I AM THE CITY COMPTROLLER.

AND WE ARE HERE TODAY TO PRESENT THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT FOR FY 22 AND ALSO ANNUAL AUDIT.

WE HAVE HERE SARA DEMPSEY FROM WEAVER, OUR EXTERNAL AUDIT PARTNER, AND SHE WILL BE PRESENTING OUR FINDINGS OR NUMBERS.

AND LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO THANK AND AND THANK EVERYONE FROM THE CITY STAFF AND ACTUAL WEAVER FOR GETTING THIS AUDIT TOGETHER.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FEW MONTHS PROCESS AND IT TAKES A TEAM AND IT TAKES ALL OF US PUTTING OUR TIME TOGETHER TO GET THIS AUDIT DONE AND THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THIS IS HIS FIRST TIME.

HE WAS ABOUT TO SAY. ARE YOU ARE YOU NEW ISH? YES, I AM ACTUALLY NEW AS THE CITY CONTROLLER, SO I'M PRETTY NEW TO THE CITY.

GOT IT. WELCOME. HOW'S THAT GOING? EVERYTHING GOING ALL RIGHT? YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT? GOOD. YEAH, I'M DOING GOOD.

AND IT'S BEEN VERY GREAT.

AND IT'S BEEN A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE SO FAR.

OKAY. YEAH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANKS. YES, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME THIS AFTERNOON.

WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO PRESENT THE 2022 AUDIT.

LET'S SEE. IF I CAN WORK THE SCREEN.

OKAY, SO MY NAME IS SARA DEMPSEY.

I'M THE AUDIT PARTNER ON THE ENGAGEMENT.

I SPECIALIZE IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.

SO DO A LOT OF MUNICIPAL AUDITS FOR THE AUDIT PROCESS.

WE STARTED THE AUDIT, LIKE I MENTIONED IN JANUARY, DID IT IN FEBRUARY, AND WE WRAPPED UP MARCH 2ND.

SO IT IS A MONTH LONG PROCESS.

WE ISSUED THE OPINION ON MARCH 2ND AND WE'RE HERE TODAY.

SO WE DO THE AUDIT IN ACCORDANCE WITH AUDITING STANDARDS.

THERE GENERALLY GENERALLY ACCEPTED AUDITING STANDARDS AND THEN GENERALLY ACCEPTED GOVERNMENT AUDITING STANDARDS.

WE HAVE A STATE SINGLE AUDIT WHICH GOES BY THE TEXAS GRANT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, AND THEN THE UNIFORM GUIDANCE IS THE FEDERAL GRANT SYSTEM THAT WE ABIDE BY.

AND THEN WE DO COMPLIANCE TESTING WITH STATE LAWS, REGULATIONS, PUBLIC FUNDS, INVESTMENT ACT.

IT'S A RISK BASED APPROACH.

SO IN THE LETTER THAT WE SENT, WE TALKED ABOUT RISK AND REALLY RISK OUT AT THE CITY AND A LOT OF CITIES AS REVENUE RECOGNITION AND OVERSTATING REVENUES.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE FOCUS A LOT OF OUR AUDIT AND RECORDED LIABILITIES, EVALUATION OF ESTIMATES.

AND THEN BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THE SINGLE AUDIT OVER FEDERAL EXPENDITURES, WE ALSO LOOK AT INTERNAL CONTROLS.

WE DON'T GIVE AN OPINION ON INTERNAL CONTROLS, BUT WE DO WALK THROUGH THOSE MAJOR TRANSACTION CYCLES.

SO YOUR DISBURSEMENTS, YOUR PAYROLL, YOUR PROCUREMENT PROCESS, HR, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THOSE AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE OPERATING AS DESIGNED SO THAT WE CAN RELY ON THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT WE WERE GIVEN FROM THE CITY.

OTHER AREAS THAT WE TEST ARE UP HERE.

THERE'S TONS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO WE'RE LOOKING FOR FRAUD, MISAPPROPRIATION OF ASSETS.

WE'RE DOING THE FEDERAL SINGLE AUDIT OVER THE ARPA PROGRAM THAT CORONAVIRUS, STATE AND LOCAL FISCAL RELIEF FUNDING, AND THEN THE RTR PROJECT FOR YOUR STATE FUNDING.

AND THEN HIGHWAY PLANNING CLUSTER WAS ALSO A MAJOR PROGRAM THIS YEAR.

ONE BIG THING THAT THE CITY HAD TO DO THIS YEAR AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT WAS IMPLEMENT GASB 87 LEASES.

THIS WAS TAKING THOSE LEASES OR THOSE LONG TERM CONTRACTS AND PUTTING THEM ON THE BALANCE SHEET.

SO THE CITY HAD TO GO FIND ALL OF THESE CONTRACTS AND HAD TO PUT THEM ON THE BALANCE SHEET.

SO IT TOOK A LOT OF EFFORT.

AND WE DO APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF CONTRACTS TO LOOK FOR.

SO FOR THE RESULTS, IT IS AN UNMODIFIED OPINION ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, WHICH IS A CLEAN OPINION.

SO IT'S REALLY THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF ASSURANCE THAT THAT WE CAN PROVIDE.

SO A POSITIVE RESULT TO THE AUDIT THIS YEAR.

THERE WAS A RESTATEMENT IN YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.

IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND, WE ADDED ABOUT 9 MILLION TO FUND BALANCE.

THERE WERE SOME EXPENDITURES IN THE PRIOR YEAR AND ONCE THOSE WERE INCURRED, REVENUE SHOULD HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

SO THE RESTATEMENT IS AN INCREASE OF 9 MILLION IN YOUR CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND.

THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES THAT WERE REPORTED AND THERE WERE NO NONCOMPLIANCE ITEMS THAT WERE FOUND DURING THE COURSE OF THE AUDIT.

SO OVERALL, THE AUDIT RESULTS ARE VERY GOOD AND WE APPRECIATE WHAT THE CITY DOES ALL YEAR TO HAVE RESULTS LIKE THIS.

AND THAT WAS THE FINANCIAL STATEMENT AUDIT.

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SO FOR THE FEDERAL AND STATE SINGLE AUDIT, IT'S AN UNMODIFIED OPINION.

THE CITY IS A LOW RISK ODDITY, WHICH MEANS WE JUST HAVE TO GET 20% OF FEDERAL EXPENDITURES TESTED.

BUT WE GOT A LOT MORE BECAUSE OF THE ARPA FUNDING BEING SUCH A HIGH DOLLAR.

NO MATERIAL WEAKNESSES WERE NOTED DURING THE COURSE OF TESTING THOSE THREE PROGRAMS AND NO SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES TO REPORT EITHER.

SO AGAIN, IT'S VERY HARD TO DO THAT IN A SINGLE AUDIT.

WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE CONTROLS.

WE'RE TESTING PROGRAMS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN TESTED BEFORE LIKE ARPA.

SO TO NOT HAVE FINDINGS AGAIN IS A VERY POSITIVE RESULT FOR THE CITY.

AND THESE ARE THE REQUIRED COMMUNICATIONS IN THERE IN THE LETTER THAT WE PUT IN THE AGENDA PACKET.

SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH I'LL GO THROUGH IT PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE IT IS SPELLED OUT IN THAT LETTER THAT WE DO THE AUDIT IN ACCORDANCE WITH GENERALLY ACCEPTED AUDITING STANDARDS, THE GOVERNMENT AUDITING STANDARDS, THE UNIFORM GUIDANCE AND THE TEXAS GRANT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

SO WE GO THROUGH WHAT THAT MEANS.

AND THEN ALSO I TALKED ABOUT LEASES.

SO ANY UNUSUAL TRANSACTIONS WERE REQUIRED TO POINT OUT TO YOU THAT WAS THE LEASE IMPLEMENTATION.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY UNUSUAL, BUT IT IS NEW.

SO WE DO WANT TO POINT THAT OUT TO YOU.

AND THEN NEXT YEAR, THERE ARE SOME GATSBY PRONOUNCEMENTS THAT WILL BE JUST AS IMPACTFUL AS LEASES AND IT'S SUBSCRIPTION BASED ARRANGEMENTS.

SO THE SOFTWARE INVENTORY THAT'S BEEN DONE BY THE CITY WILL BE REALLY HELPFUL IN EVALUATING WHAT CONTRACTS NEED TO GO ON THE BALANCE SHEET THERE AS WELL.

AND THERE WERE NO DIFFICULTIES ENCOUNTERED.

WE RECEIVED MANAGEMENT REPRESENTATIONS AT THE END OF THE AUDIT, MEANING THEY GAVE US WHAT WE NEEDED AND TOLD US EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE IMPACTFUL TO THE AUDIT.

SO THEY DID SEND US THAT.

THE DATE OF THE OPINION LETTER.

THERE'S NO INDEPENDENCE ISSUES AS A FIRM OR AS AN AUDIT TEAM.

AND THEN THERE IS THE DOCUMENT IS QUITE LARGE.

IT'S PREPARED BY THE CITY.

IT'S THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT.

IT'S NOT ALL AUDITED.

THERE ARE PIECES THAT ARE UNAUDITED.

SO THE STATISTICAL SECTION IN THE BACK THAT'S VERY INTERESTING AND SHOWS THE TEN YEARS OF DATA IS IS UNAUDITED.

BUT WE DO READ IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MAKES SENSE AND ALIGNS WITH WHAT WE DID DURING THE COURSE OF THE AUDIT.

THERE ARE ALSO ESTIMATES THAT ARE IN THE AUDIT, SO WE WANT TO POINT THOSE OUT, THE OPEB, THE PENSION LIABILITIES, ALL OF THOSE ARE ACTUARIAL VALUATIONS, THIRD PARTY REPORTS.

AND THEN THERE ARE ASSUMPTIONS THAT GO INTO THOSE SUCH AS A DISCOUNT RATE.

SO WE EVALUATE THOSE FOR REASONABLENESS, BUT THOSE ARE ESTIMATES.

AND THEN ONE REALLY GOOD SIGN OF A SUCCESSFUL AUDIT FROM THE CITY'S FINANCE GROUP IS TO NOT HAVE AUDIT ADJUSTMENTS OR PAST ADJUSTMENTS. SO WE DID NOT HAVE ANY OF THOSE.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THEY PROVIDED US WITH THE NUMBERS WE WENT THROUGH AND TESTED THEM AND WE DID NOT HAVE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES.

AND IF WE DID, WE WOULD REPORT THOSE TO YOU.

WE WOULD SHOW YOU, YOU KNOW, IF LIABILITIES WERE UNDERSTATED OR ASSETS, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE A LIST.

AND SO IT'S REALLY GOOD TO GET THROUGH AN AUDIT AND TO NOT HAVE AUDIT ADJUSTMENTS.

AND THEN THERE'S NO OTHER COMMUNICATION THAT WENT BETWEEN US AND THE CITY, SUCH AS A MANAGEMENT LETTER WHERE THERE WERE INTERNAL CONTROL FINDINGS THAT WE'VE KEPT BETWEEN US.

SO IT'S MEANING WE'VE GIVEN YOU EVERYTHING THAT THAT WE'VE PROVIDED TO THE CITY AS WELL.

AND THEN I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THE AUDIT, OUR PROCESS, ANYTHING THAT I CAN HELP WITH.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? MAKE A STEAK? YEAH.

MAYOR PRO TEM. SO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I APPRECIATE THAT.

WE HAVE A GLOWING GREEN AUDIT REVIEW.

AND AS A AS A SORT OF ANAL RETENTIVE A-PLUS STUDENT, I ALWAYS GET WORRIED WHEN I GET NOTHING BUT A'S.

SO IF.

IS THERE RECOMMENDATION? RECOMMENDED COURSES OF ACTION FOR CAN WE TAKE OUR A TO AN A PLUS IS THE RECOMMENDED COURSES OF ACTION THAT THAT YOU ALL ARE RECOMMENDING, CHANGES THAT I DIDN'T SEE, AT LEAST IN THE REVIEW SECTION.

SO FOR THE AUDIT, IT IS SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES AND MATERIAL WEAKNESSES THAT GET REPORTED AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE AUDIT.

IF THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION AS TO MAYBE YOU SHOULD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO THE SOFTWARE INVENTORY FOR IMPLEMENTING GASB 96 NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE IT ADVISORY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME THROUGH, WHETHER IT'S ACCESS CONTROLS OR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF A SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCY.

WE DO HAVE THAT BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSION OF POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS ALONG THE WAY.

IT'S JUST WHEN IT'S REPORTABLE, IT MEETS A CERTAIN THRESHOLD OF BEING A SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCY OR MATERIAL WEAKNESS.

SO IF THERE WERE ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, TO POINT OUT, WE WE IF IT ROSE TO THAT LEVEL, WE WOULD HAVE PUT IT IN THE REPORT FOR SURE.

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BUT AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH, WE DO HAVE COMMENTARY.

IF WE SEE THINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

GREAT, GREAT. NO, THAT WAS MY CONCERN, THAT, OH, YOU'RE DOING GREAT, THAT BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO IMPROVE FROM FROM THAT.

RIGHT. SO AND YOU ALWAYS WE'RE ALWAYS SEEKING IMPROVEMENT.

SO I GUESS THAT COVERS MY QUESTION.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, YES, MR. CITY MANAGER. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS IS AND SARA.

THANK YOU. BECAUSE YOU SPELL YOUR NAME, CORRECT THAT.

BUT THIS IS A BIG DEAL TO THIS KIND OF REPORT WHEN YOU DEAL WITH A BUDGET OF 1.8 BILLION NOW AND ALL THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE BUDGETING, I JUST WANT TO SAY KUDOS TO CASSIE AND THE TEAM BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN CITIES WHERE THIS ISN'T THE REPORT WE GET.

SO CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU.

WELL, AND IF I CAN, MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO ECHO WHAT SARA SAID, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM THE CITY SIDE, WE WORK WITH WEAVER ALL YEAR ROUND. THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE ALL YEAR ROUND.

IT'S NOT JUST WHEN THEY'RE IN OUR BUILDING WORKING ON THE AUDIT, SO WE ASK FOR ADVICE.

WHEN WE'RE DOING THE ARPA ALLOCATIONS EVERY YEAR, WE ASK WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING COME UP THAT WE DON'T REALLY YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THEIR INPUT.

BUT ALSO I JUST REALLY WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE ACCOUNTING STAFF.

THIS WAS NEW TO THE ROLE THIS YEAR AND TOOK ON A LOT.

HE WAS OUR ASSISTANT COMPTROLLER LAST YEAR, WAS PROMOTED TO COMPTROLLER THIS YEAR AND REALLY TOOK THE REINS OF THIS AUDIT AND IT WAS A LARGE UNDERTAKING.

BUT HIM AND HIS STAFF HAVE DONE A FABULOUS JOB AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THEIR HARD WORK.

SO THANK YOU. AND THE MAYOR HAS SOMETHING FOR YOU.

YEAH. IS YOU CAN COME ON OVER.

I'LL MEET YOU UP THERE. HOW ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO STAY ON CAMERA.

YOU GOT TO STAY ON THE MIC. SO.

WE'RE GOING TO START RECOGNIZING OUR FIRST TIME PRESENTERS.

AND YOU'RE THE FIRST OF THE FIRST.

THANK YOU. THAT'S COOL. YEAH, YOU'RE PATIENT ZERO, BUT THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT. SO WE HAVE AN ELEPHANT FOR YOU SO THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS REMEMBER YOUR FIRST TIME PRESENTING TO US.

YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND SHAKE YOUR HANDS. YEAH, I APPRECIATE YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT. YES, THIS IS GREAT.

THANK YOU.

ONLY ME. OKAY.

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM B.

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding voting locations for the May 6, 2023 General and Special Elections. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

ID 23519.

RECEIVE REPORT HOLD DISCUSSION.

GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING VOTING LOCATIONS FOR MAY 6TH, 2023.

THOUGHT FOR ME, SHE'S GOING TO GIVE US THE SAME PRESENTATION, RIGHT? GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS ROSA RIOS AND I'M YOUR CITY SECRETARY.

AND I'M GOING TO COME IN AND PRESENT THE WORK SESSION ON POLLING LOCATION ADDITIONS TO OUR MAY POTENTIALLY JUNE ELECTIONS.

SO TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THIS SLIDE THE POLLING LOCATIONS THAT WERE ADOPTED ON MAY 6TH FOR THE MAY 6TH, 2023 GENERAL AND SPECIAL ELECTIONS, AND THIS WAS DONE ON FEBRUARY 7TH.

THEY'RE NOTED HERE BOTH FOR EARLY VOTING AND ELECTION DAY.

THE CONSENSUS OF A TWO MINUTE PITCH ON FEBRUARY 21ST WAS TO DELIBERATE AND CONSIDER ADDING ADDITIONAL POLLING LOCATIONS.

ONE DEFINITE LOCATION WAS IDENTIFIED AS WESLEY CENTER FOR BOTH EARLY VOTING AND ELECTION DAY FOR BOTH OUR GENERAL AND SPECIAL ELECTIONS.

THIS THERE IS A RESERVATION IN PLACE AND WE CONFIRMED THAT THE LOCATION IS FULLY AVAILABLE FOR THE EARLY VOTING PERIOD FOR BOTH ELECTIONS AND OF COURSE, THE ELECTION DAY FOR DISTRICT TWO.

WE DO HAVE AN UNOPPOSED CANDIDATE.

THE CERTIFICATION AND CANCELLATION ARE SCHEDULED FOR LATER IN THE MEETING.

NORTH BRANCH LIBRARY IS THE ONLY EARLY VOTING AND ELECTION DAY POLLING LOCATION THAT WAS IDENTIFIED FOR DISTRICT TWO.

THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THAT IS THE ONLY POLLING LOCATION TO DISTRICT TWO VOTERS FOR THE SPECIAL ELECTION BECAUSE OF OTHER PARTICIPATING JURISDICTIONS.

THERE WILL BE SOME LOCATIONS SHARED POSSIBLY WITH OTHER DISTRICTS OR OTHER PARTICIPATING ENTITIES.

AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE LEFT.

WE HAVE MADE NO CHANGES TO THIS DESIGNATION.

THE DIRECTION NEEDED IS TO PROCEED WITH ADDING WESLEY CENTER TO THE LIST OF PREFERRED POLLING LOCATIONS FOR BOTH ELECTION DAY AND THE EARLY VOTING FOR THE GENERAL AND SPECIAL ELECTIONS AND PROVIDE OTHER DIRECTION REGARDING OTHER POLLING LOCATIONS.

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OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS? THANK YOU, MAYOR. ROSA JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

FIRST, ABOUT A STATEMENT YOU MADE JUST A SECOND AGO ABOUT OTHER ENTITIES THAT HAVE ELECTIONS GOING ON.

THERE'S SCHOOL BOARD ELECTIONS AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPEN THIS TIME OF YEAR.

ARE WE AWARE OF ANY OF THE LOCATIONS THAT THAT MAY BE ADDED OR THAT'S JUST KIND OF SOMETHING THAT THE ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATION WORKS OUT ONCE THEY GET ALL OF THESE LIKE OUR REQUEST THAT WE'RE GOING TO SIGN OFF ON TONIGHT, ONCE THEY GET ALL OF THOSE IN, THEN THEY SET THE LOCATIONS.

AND THEN AT SOME POINT LATER IN THE CYCLE, WE FIGURE OUT WHERE ALL OF THEM ARE OR DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF PRELIMINARY IDEA WHERE SOME OF THOSE EXTRA LOCATIONS MIGHT BE THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY OURS? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER PARTICIPATING, WHO THE OTHER PARTICIPATING JURISDICTIONS ARE YET OR WHAT THEIR CHOSEN LOCATIONS WERE.

NOW, OUR LOCATIONS FOR FOR THE CITY OF DENTON, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE AN ELECTION THIS YEAR.

AND WE WERE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM, PARTICULARLY THEY THEY HAVE TENTATIVELY AGREED, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVEN'T FORMALLY ADOPTED THE LOCATIONS, THEY HAVE TENTATIVELY, UNOFFICIALLY AGREED THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO UTILIZE ALL OF OUR ELECTIONS SO THERE WOULD BE A COST SHARE INVOLVED THERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS WITH NORD BRANCH LIBRARY THAT THEY DID REQUEST WAS THEY HOPE THAT WE WILL BE WILLING TO LEAVE IT AS AN EARLY VOTING LOCATION, DO A COST SHARE WITH THEM.

AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD, IF THEY MAY POTENTIALLY CONSIDER USING IT AS AN ELECTION DAY LOCATION BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY WILL HAVE SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT THAT WILL AFFECT DISTRICT TWO VOTERS.

AND WE MADE SURE TO LEAVE THAT RESERVATION IN PLACE.

SO THE FACILITY IS FULLY AVAILABLE FOR THEIR USE SHOULD THEY OFFICIALLY SELECT IT.

OKAY. AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, COULD YOU TELL EVERYBODY JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE THE EMAIL CONVERSATION YOU AND I HAD AROUND PRECINCT 4176, I'M GOING TO CALL IT THAT.

SO THE RECORD IS KIND OF CLEAR, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTH RIDGE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE AREA RIGHT AROUND THERE.

SO WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO VOTE ON ELECTION DAY? YEAH. SO THE COUNTY DID DID VERIFY THAT THE SAME AS IN PREVIOUS YEARS THAT THE SOUTH SOUTH RIDGE AREA WOULD VOTE ON PRECINCT 41.

76 WOULD GO TO THE SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PRECINCTS ADJACENT TO THAT 41, 75, 41, 77, 41, 75 WOULD GO TO THE NORTH LOCATION, WHICH I'M KIND OF DRAWING A BLANK WHERE THAT LOCATION IS.

BUT GO NORTH TO MLK, MAYBE.

YES, TO THE MLK. AND THEN 4177 WOULD GO TO DANIA.

BUT FOR SURE THEY HAVE VERIFIED THAT IS WHAT THEIR PROPOSAL IS AT THIS TIME.

THE ONE THING FOR SURE THAT THEY THEY DID CONFIRM WAS THAT THE SOUTH RIDGE PRECINCT 4176, WOULD GO TO SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY.

GOOD DEAL. THIS THIS IS THAT'S A REALLY GOOD DEVELOPMENT THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO MY CONSTITUENTS OVER THERE IN SOUTH RIDGE.

THEY'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY OVER TO DANIA INSTEAD OF JUST TO WHERE THEY NORMALLY VOTE ON ELECTION DAY.

BUT ALSO, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITY ENTITIES AND EVEN PRIVATE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT WERE WILLING TO BE POLLING PLACES FOR THAT AREA. THERE'S SOME COMMERCIAL ENTITIES OVER THERE THAT WERE WILLING TO STEP UP, BUT IT TURNS OUT WE DIDN'T DIDN'T NEED THEM.

BUT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO HELP OUT IN THAT WAY WHEN WE NEED THEM.

AND THAT THAT IS A REALLY GOOD MOVE.

SO IF YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION, WE'D BE WILLING TO SHARE IT WITH THE COUNTY BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, FOR THEIR ELECTION IN NOVEMBER, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A POLLING LOCATION IN EVERY COUNTY PRECINCT AND THEY'RE DESPERATELY LOOKING FOR LOCATIONS.

SO THAT WOULD DEFINITELY HELP THEM OUT.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND I THINK YOUR ANSWERS TO COUNCILOR DAVIS ANSWER THIS.

BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT.

PEOPLE ARE TACITLY ON BOARD WITH KEEPING NORTH BRANCH LIBRARY IN GENERAL.

IT'S NOT CONFIRMED, BUT THAT THAT'S WHERE WE SEEM TO BE.

SO THE COUNTY THE SISK IS A COUNTY SITE.

AND WE ASKED THAT IT WOULD BE OR I'M SORRY, A SCHOOL DISTRICT LOCATION.

AND THEY DID ALLOW US TO USE IT.

AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TO USE IT BECAUSE, AGAIN, THEY'VE AGREED TO COST SHARE THE ELECTIONS THAT WE ARE SELF SELECTED, WHICH.

SISK IS ONE OF THOSE.

SO THEY WILL DEFINITELY BE A COST SHARE THERE.

THE ONE THING IS, IS, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE PROPOSING TO CANCEL THE DISTRICT TWO ELECTION LATER IN THE MEETING AND THE COUNTY, ONCE THEY RECEIVE THE LOCATION OR OUR CANCELLATION ORDINANCE, THEN IF WE DO NOT HAVE A DISTRICT TWO VOTE ON THE BALLOT, THEY WILL NOT CHARGE US FOR THE LOCATION, BUT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD BEAR 100% OF THAT COST.

OKAY. AND LET ME JUST MAKE A NOTE OF THAT.

AND THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THE DISTRIBUTION OF PRECINCTS THAT YOU WERE DESCRIBING TO COUNCILOR DAVIS THAT THEY REALLY ARE, THE

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COUNTY SEEMS TO BE MOVING IN A DIRECTION OF CHOOSING THE CLOSEST POLLING LOCATION TO A GIVEN DISTRICT.

AND DOES THAT SEEM LIKE IT'S THEIR THEIR POLICY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH? YES. YES, THEY DO STRIVE FOR THAT ALL THE TIME.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE SOME TO ALIGN THE PRECINCTS FOR, LIKE OUR GENERAL ELECTION TO THE SAME LOCATIONS THAT VOTERS ARE USED TO GOING.

OF COURSE, THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCES, YOU KNOW, FOR A NOVEMBER ELECTION BECAUSE THEY'VE JUST GOT POLLING LOCATIONS IN EVERY PRECINCT.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THE MAJOR CHANGES FOR VOTERS.

YEAH. NO, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE ISD AND THE COUNTY AND THE CITY ALL ALL SORT OF GETTING HAND IN GLOVE ON THIS BECAUSE VOTER CONFUSION IS VOTER SUPPRESSION.

WE ALL KNOW THAT. AND SO IT'S IT'S LOVELY THAT WE'RE WE'RE COALESCING LIKE THAT.

I, I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, ROSA THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CNN. GO AHEAD.

I'M SORRY. DID YOU ALSO WANT DIRECTION ROSA? YES. SO THE AS YOU KNOW, LATER IN THE IN THE MEETING, YOU DO HAVE THE VERY LAST AGENDA ITEM IS TO ADOPT ANY ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS FOR RIGHT NOW, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT WAS PART OF YOUR PACKET CONTAINS ONLY WESLEY CENTER FOR USE AS AN ELECTION AND EARLY VOTING SITE.

AND AGAIN, THAT IS THE ONLY CHANGE RIGHT NOW.

SO WE WOULD CONTINUE WITH ALL OF THE OTHER ADOPTED LOCATIONS AS PROPOSED.

SO THEN THEN MY DIRECTION IS TO IS TO GO WITH THE ITEMS THAT WE SAW IN OUR BACKUP, THE WESLEY CENTER AND AND THE KEEPING ALL THE OTHER LOCATIONS.

SO THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BY DEFAULT, RIGHT? BY DEFAULT? YES, SIR. IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, IT'S THERE.

YES. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. TAKES US TO ITEM C, ID 222415.

[C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding a Downtown Denton Ambassador Program. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

RECEIVE REPORT, HOLD, DISCUSSION.

GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING A DOWNTOWN DENTON AMBASSADOR PROGRAM.

MAYOR, JUST REAL QUICK.

YES. YEAH. MAYOR, I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE AND I DID HAVE A CONSENT ITEM.

I WANTED TO BE PULLED JUST FOR A VOTE, NO PRESENTATION.

AND THAT WAS FOR H.

OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU.

GOT IT. EXCUSE ME.

OKAY. AFTERNOON MAYOR AND COUNCIL, COURTNEY DUONG SARA WITH COMMUNITY SERVICES.

SO WE'RE BACK AGAIN TO FOLLOW UP FROM OUR HOMELESSNESS PRESENTATION.

A FEW WEEKS AGO, IN RESPONSE TO COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS'S TWO MINUTE PITCH.

COMMUNITY SERVICES HAS BEEN COLLABORATING WITH PARKS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PD AND THE CMO TO DEVELOP A PROPOSED PROGRAM PILOT TO ADDRESS QUALITY OF LIFE DOWNTOWN. AS A REMINDER, THIS IS THE SECOND IN OUR SERIES OF RESPONSES TO IDENTIFY SOLUTIONS FOR A CLEANER, SAFER, SAFER AND HAPPIER DOWNTOWN DENTON.

AND THESE EFFORTS ALIGN WITH COUNCIL'S KEY FOCUS AREA TO STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE.

SO I'M GOING TO SET THE SCENE FOR YOU A LITTLE BIT.

WE'RE ALL KEENLY AWARE OF HOW MUCH DENTON IS GROWING.

WE'VE HAD A 26% INCREASE IN OUR POPULATION IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.

WE'VE SEEN A 10% INCREASE IN JOBS FROM 2021 TO 2022.

AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS REPORTED A 26% INCREASE IN THE TOP TEN CALLS FOR SERVICE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA FROM 2021 TO 2022.

ADDITIONALLY, OUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, OUR DEPARTMENT, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS I'VE MENTIONED, WE MEET REGULARLY WITH DOWNTOWN MAIN STREET ASSOCIATION AND OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. WE'RE ALL VERY AWARE OF GROWING CONCERNS AROUND JUST INCREASED NEED FOR SUPPORT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

AS A RESULT OF THOSE EFFORTS.

WE ACTUALLY DID CONVENE A SAFETY MEETING IN JANUARY.

WE INVITED DOWNTOWN MAIN STREET ASSOCIATION BUSINESSES ONSITE TO OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICE CENTER ON ELM.

WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION TO START INTRODUCING, INTRODUCING THEM TO SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY.

AND WE HAVE SEEN SOME SHORT TERM RESULTS OUT OF THAT MEETING IS ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF, SOME LIGHTING ISSUES AND THEY'RE WORKING TO TAKE CARE OF SOME MORE.

PARKS IS LOOKING AT SOME ADDITIONAL BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS AND ALSO LOOKING INTO OPPORTUNITIES TO INCREASE CLEANING AND CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE EFFORTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND ALSO AS A RESULT OF THAT MEETING, WE'VE GOT CONTINUED JUST SUPPORT FOR THE SOLUTION THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TODAY, WHICH IS OUR DOWNTOWN AMBASSADOR PROGRAM PILOT. SO AS YOU SAW IN YOUR BACKUP, THESE DOWNTOWN AMBASSADOR PROGRAMS ARE BECOMING INCREASINGLY COMMON RESPONSES TO QUALITY OF LIFE NEEDS IN DOWNTOWN DISTRICT AREAS.

AND STAFF HAS BEEN RESEARCHING THE SOLUTION SPECIFICALLY SINCE ABOUT 2021.

AMBASSADOR PROGRAMS CAN PROVIDE AN ARRAY OF SERVICES, INCLUDING HOSPITALITY, SAFETY, ESCORTS, SOME DOWNTOWN MAINTENANCE AND EVEN REFERRALS TO SOCIAL SERVICES. THESE PROGRAMS PROVIDE ADDITIONAL EYES AND EARS DOWNTOWN TO SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY.

THEY ALSO ADD ANOTHER LAYER OF RESOURCES AND SUPPORT FOR ECONOMIC VITALITY.

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IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THESE PROGRAMS AND THE AMBASSADORS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM ADDRESS ISSUES IN PUBLIC SPACES SO THEY CAN HANDLE GENERAL NUISANCE ISSUES.

THEY DON'T HAVE THAT DON'T HAVE TO FALL ON LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT THEY DON'T ACT IN ANY OFFICIAL ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY IN ANY EMERGENCIES.

WOULD STILL GO DIRECTLY TO DENTON PD.

SO WE DID RESEARCH PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, SUMMARIZED HERE.

THESE EXAMPLES INCLUDE A VARIETY OF OF CITIES, SOME NEIGHBORING TO US, SOME THAT LOOK SIMILAR TO DENTON IN THEIR POPULATION OR COMMUNITY SIZE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT MOST OF THEM PROVIDE SIMILAR SERVICES, INCLUDING HOSPITALITY, PUBLIC SAFETY OUTREACH.

ALL OF THEM THAT WE RESEARCHED WERE FUNDED THROUGH SOME SORT OF TAX ASSESSMENT, SUCH AS A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND PROGRAM.

OVERSIGHT WAS DELEGATED TO AN EXTERNAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNER THAT'S ACTIVE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA FOR EACH OF THESE COMMUNITIES.

AND ADDITIONALLY, SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS UTILIZE THIRD PARTY VENDORS TO OVERSEE DAILY OPERATIONS.

WE DID RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM COMMUNITIES THAT THAT UTILIZE A OR CONTRACT WITH A THIRD PARTY VENDOR THAT IT'S BEEN HELPFUL FOR MANAGING HIGH TURNOVER FOR THESE PROGRAMS. BUT ALSO THESE VENDORS HAVE EXPERIENCED IMPLEMENTING THESE PROGRAMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

SO THEY'RE VERY AWARE OF THE NEEDS THAT CAN COME UP FROM IMPLEMENTATION ON.

THEY ALSO UTILIZE DATABASE SYSTEMS TO EFFICIENTLY COLLECT AND ANALYZE PROGRAM DATA.

SO MAKING SURE THAT PROGRAMS ARE EFFICIENT AND IDENTIFYING ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE PROGRAMS ONCE THEY'RE IMPLEMENTED.

ALSO, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS MENTIONED HERE THAT WE SPOKE WITH, THEY MADE NOTE THAT THEY HAD A SUFFICIENT STAFF TO SUPPORT THESE PROGRAMS. SO A LOT OF THESE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS HAD STAFFS OF LIKE AT LEAST 8 TO 10 WITH A DEDICATED STAFF PERSON TO HELP OVERSEE THE ROLL THE PROGRAM INTERNALLY. SO BASED ON OUR RESEARCH AND EVALUATION OF LOCAL NEEDS, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO IMPLEMENT A DOWNTOWN DENTON AMBASSADOR PROGRAM PILOT. AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, THE AMBASSADOR TEAM WOULD FOCUS AN AMBASSADOR TEAM FOCUSED ON SAFETY AND HOSPITALITY, WOULD PROVIDE AN ADDED LAYER OF SUPPORT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND PROMOTE ECONOMIC VITALITY DOWNTOWN.

THIS WOULD INCLUDE THE SERVICES LISTED HERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.

AND WE ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO CONTRACT OR LOOK INTO CONTRACTING WITH A THIRD PARTY VENDOR FOR SOME OF THE REASONS I MENTIONED.

THIS WOULD FREE UP EXISTING STAFF FROM ADDRESSING STAFFING REQUIREMENTS AND DAILY OPERATIONS OF THIS PROGRAM.

OBVIOUSLY, THEY'D STILL WORK CLOSELY WITH CITY DEPARTMENTS, BE PLUGGED IN WITH ANY AND ALL DEPARTMENTS THAT DO HAVE INITIATIVES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

THIS WOULD ALSO ALLOW US TO TRACK PROGRAM DATA FROM DAY ONE.

SO INSTEAD OF HAVING BE INTERNALLY IMPLEMENTED AND HAVING TO IDENTIFY AN ADDITIONAL DATABASE SYSTEM FOR THE CITY TO MANAGE, THESE VENDORS WOULD HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THOSE AND BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT DATA TRACKING MEASURES FROM DAY ONE.

SO THE SERVICES OFFERED.

A LOT OF THESE VENDORS DO OFFER THEM IN KIND OF THESE BUCKETS THAT WE'VE OUTLINED HERE.

SO HOSPITALITY, SAFETY AND AN ADDITIONAL OPTIONAL BUCKET, SO TO SPEAK, IS FOR CLEANING SERVICES OR CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE.

AS YOU'VE HEARD ME MENTIONED, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE STAFFING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROGRAM AT IMPLEMENTATION.

AND SPEAKING WITH PARKS, WE HAVE STAFF HAVE IDENTIFIED A CURRENT NEED FOR ENHANCED CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE SERVICES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

REGARDLESS OF THIS PROGRAM.

SO WHETHER IT'S INCORPORATED INTO THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM OR SOMETHING THAT PARKS LOOKS INTO EXTERNALLY, THAT IS A CURRENT NEED DOWNTOWN.

AND AGAIN, JUST THE INCLUSION OF THESE SERVICES, THESE CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE SERVICES IN THIS PILOT ITSELF WOULD IMPROVE RESPONSIVENESS AND REDUCE DEMANDS ON PARKS AND COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT SERVICES.

WE'RE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT THE THE PILOT PROGRAM BE FUNDED THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE FIRST 1 TO 2 YEARS, AND WE'D BE ABLE TO UTILIZE DATA FROM THE PILOT TO INFORM POTENTIALLY THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO SUPPORT ONGOING COSTS.

SO WE HAVE IDENTIFIED TWO OPTIONS FOR YOU FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PILOT PROGRAM.

BOTH OF THEM WOULD FOCUS ON SAFETY AND HOSPITALITY SERVICES OFFERED BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 7 A.M.

AND 12 A.M., WHICH IS PRETTY STANDARD FOR THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS. A PARTIAL IMPLEMENTATION WOULD INCLUDE FEWER AMBASSADORS OPERATING FROM THURSDAY TO SUNDAY.

SO IDENTIFYING THOSE KIND OF HIGH TRAFFIC, HIGH NEED DAYS AND HOURS AND A FULLY IMPLEMENTED PROGRAM WOULD INCLUDE A TEAM OF APPROXIMATELY NINE AMBASSADORS OPERATING SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

OBVIOUSLY THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION IS OUR RECOMMENDATION.

WE'D LIKE TO START STRONG, BUT AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, EACH OPTION WOULD INCLUDE THE POTENTIAL ADDITION OF THAT CLEAN TEAM OR THE CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE SERVICES, AS I MENTIONED.

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SO IF COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO PROCEED, WE WOULD INITIATE AN RFP PROCESS TO OBTAIN DEFINITIVE COSTS AND STAFFING REQUIREMENTS.

THIS IS ALL BASED ON ESTIMATES FROM INFORMATION WE'VE GATHERED FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES, SOME OF THEM LARGER THAN US, WITH LARGER NEED IN THEIR COMMUNITY.

SO IF WE GOT THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, WE'D GO OUT TO GET SOME MORE DEFINITIVE INFORMATION.

SO TODAY WE'RE SEEKING DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON WHETHER OR NOT TO PURSUE INCLUSION OF A DOWNTOWN AMBASSADOR PROGRAM PILOT AS A SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET REQUEST IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. AND WE'D ALSO LIKE YOUR FEEDBACK ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF US INCORPORATING THIS CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE ASPECT INTO THE PROGRAM.

AND ALSO, AS A NOTE, YOU DID HEAR ME MENTION A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT EARLIER.

IF COUNCIL PROVIDES DIRECTION TO PURSUE THIS PROGRAM, STAFF WOULD BRING A PRESENTATION AT A SEPARATE TIME OUTLINING THE STEPS TO ESTABLISH A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT TO SUPPORT ONGOING COSTS. AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

OKAY, SO BEFORE.

YEAH, I'LL JUST SAY YES, I SUPPORT THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION WITH THE CLEANING COMPONENT.

I THINK THAT'S GOOD. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW KIND OF IN THAT RFP, IF WE CAN INCLUDE THAT, THEY CAPTURE THAT FEEDBACK, IF THE DATABASE CAPTURES FEEDBACK AS THEY TALK.

BUT I THINK IT'S IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT JUST TO HAVE MORE OF A VISIBILITY PRESENCE DOWN THERE.

BUT THEN ALSO JUST THE SERVICE NEEDS IT'S CRITICAL BECAUSE THERE'S MORE EVENTS, THERE'S MORE BUSINESSES MOVING DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, AND SO THERE'LL BE NEWER PEOPLE HELPS FROM PARKING PERSPECTIVE.

THEY CAN SAY, WELL, TRADITIONALLY YOU CAN GO DOWN HERE, THERE'S NORMALLY SPACES KIND OF BECOME A CONCIERGE, IF YOU WILL, OR A WAY OF KIND OF HELPING PEOPLE NAVIGATE DOWNTOWN.

AND SO THAT THAT'S APPEALING TO ME.

BUT BUT THEN JUST FAMILIES JUST, HEY, WHERE'S THE RESTROOM? RIGHT. AND SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO KIND OF INTERACT WITH PEOPLE.

AND LASTLY, FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT MAY BE LEAVING, OBVIOUSLY DURING THOSE TIMES.

AND TO ADD, IF IT'S DARK, TO ADD ANOTHER LAYER OF OF JUST VISIBILITY FOR PEOPLE MAKING IT WAY BACK, MAKING THEIR WAY BACK TO THEIR CARS, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO SO SUPPORT THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION AND THE CLEANING SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

I MEAN, IT'S NOTEWORTHY THAT WE DON'T HAVE WE HAVE A LOT OF VACANCY DOWNTOWN AND I THINK THIS WILL HELP RESOLVE SOME OF THAT.

SO. COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M FINE WITH WITH EITHER.

I THINK MY ULTIMATE PREFERENCE WOULD BE FOR A FULL IMPLEMENTATION.

I'M CURIOUS IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO ISSUE AN RFP THAT HAS THE TIERS IN IT.

I MEAN, IF WE CAN ASK I MEAN, LIKE ONE VENDOR MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, HERE'S SERVICE LEVEL A AND SERVICE LEVEL B, AND THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE THE COST COMPARISON.

OTHERWISE, I WORRY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WONDERING, WELL, IF VENDOR, THIS OTHER VENDOR COULD OFFER THE SECOND TIER AT A REASONABLE PRICE, MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE GONE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, BUT I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW SO WE CAN COMPARE PRICING AND THAT WAY I CAN ALSO REPORT BACK TO THE FOLKS I HEAR BACK THAT I HEAR FROM ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS BECAUSE THIS CHECKS A LOT OF BOXES FOR OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS, FOR THE PATRONS THAT UTILIZE OUR SERVICES DOWNTOWN AND VISIT THE BUILDING, THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MAYOR WAS TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF THING I THINK THAT WILL GIVE THEM THE RESULTS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

AND I AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR. I HOPE THAT SEES OUR VACANCY RATE DROP DOWNTOWN.

I THINK THIS IS A BIG IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.

IT'S A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE. IT'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ISSUE.

AND BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PARTNERS THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN TALKING TO TO DEVELOP THIS IDEA AND THE PLACES THAT WE'VE LOOKED THAT HAVE SUCCESSFUL AND THRIVING BUSINESS DISTRICTS IN DOWNTOWNS.

I'M REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PILOT KIND OF WHAT WE COME UP WITH, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE PLACES, LIKE YOU SAID, HAVE VERY SUCCESSFUL BIDS AND WE HAVE A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS DOWNTOWN.

THE COMMITTEE I CHAIRS THE DOWNTOWN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.

WE'VE GOT MAIN STREET.

WE'VE GOT OTHER GROUPS OF PEOPLE.

WE'VE GOT THE TOURS BOARD.

THERE'S LOTS GOING ON.

AND WE ARE PROBABLY GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN NEED TO LOOK AT THIS ADDITIONAL MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE FOR EVERYTHING HAPPENING IN DOWNTOWN.

SO WE GIVE OUR FOLKS THE BEST RESULTS.

SO I'M GOOD WITH FULL IMPLEMENTATION.

THAT'S A CONSENSUS. I THINK I'D RATHER SEE PRICES FOR BOTH JUST TO MAKE GOOD COMPARISONS, AND THAT'S MY DIRECTION.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN.

BYRD. SO I'M RECOGNIZING THAT THESE I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO GO LIKE ONE PARTICULAR GROUP OR IS THIS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT AS FAR AS A VENDOR'S A VENDOR? YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED AT LEAST TWO NATIONAL VENDORS THAT PROVIDE THESE SERVICES IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

WE'LL DEFINITELY DO ADDITIONAL RESEARCH TO MAKE SURE WE EXTEND THE RFP TO TO ALL OF THEM.

AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS, OF COURSE I'M FULLY IN SUPPORT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

I THINK IT'S NEEDED.

BUT WHEN I GO DOWNTOWN, AM I GOING TO BE SEEING CITY EMPLOYEES SHIRTS OR AM I GOING TO BE SEEING VENDOR SHIRTS?

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WHAT AM I WHAT? THE VISUAL BECAUSE WE ARE VISUAL PEOPLE.

SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE FOR YOU.

SO THIS IS IN FORT WORTH.

THE VENDOR THAT THEY CONTRACT WITH, THEY GIVE THE THE CITY FULL REIN TO IDENTIFY WHAT COLOR SHIRTS THEY WEAR, WHAT LOGOS GO ON THEM.

SO THERE CAN BE KIND OF A COMBINATION OF WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, IF THAT'S WHAT WE PREFER.

OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT THEM TO BE NOTICEABLE AND EASILY IDENTIFIED.

SO IF SOMEONE IS IN NEED OR IS LOOKING FOR DIRECTIONS, BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY SOMETHING ON THEM, WE'LL SAY DENTON, IT'LL BE EASILY RECOGNIZABLE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR THE RECORD TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE WHAT DOWNTOWN IS AND DENTON, HOW IS IT JUST IS IT JUST AROUND THE SQUARE? IT'S THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.

WE ARE STILL FINALIZING WHAT THAT WOULD BE.

IT'D PROBABLY BE SOME COMBINATION OF THE TOURS AND OTHER DISTRICTS AND JUST IDENTIFYING WHAT WHAT THE BOUNDARIES WOULD BE FOR THE INITIAL PILOT PROBABLY WOULD BUILD IN SOME FLEXIBILITY AS WE GO FOR THE FIRST 1 OR 2 YEARS AND THEN OBVIOUSLY UTILIZE DATA FROM THE PILOT TO MAYBE ESTABLISH SOME CLEAR BOUNDARIES FOR THAT PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT FOR FUNDING PURPOSES.

AND JUST FOR SOME CLARITY AROUND THAT QUESTION.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COUNCILMAN MCGEE AND THEN MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

TO PICK UP ON WHAT MISS BYRD SAID.

YES. WHEN YOU WHEN YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT THE PROGRAM, I DO HOPE THAT THIS THE PILOT PROGRAM WILL INCLUDE SOME OF THE AREAS SOUTH OF THE SQUARE AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. MY ONE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE CLEANING SERVICES.

IN YOUR PRESENTATION, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT WE AS A CITY HAVE IDENTIFIED PARKS AS IDENTIFIED THAT THE CLEANING IS NEEDED ANYWAY.

IF CLEANING WAS NOT APPROVED IN THIS, THIS PARKS, BY ANY CHANCE HAVE A PLAN TO DO THIS.

NOT WITH CURRENT RESOURCES.

OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE PUT THIS IN HERE IS, YOU KNOW, I'VE MADE A POINT TO GO DOWN TO THE SQUARE AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY IN THE EVENING.

AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THERE'S A NEED TO HAVE AN ONGOING CLEANING EFFORT THERE.

AND PARKS DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE THAT FUNDING.

SO WHAT WE'D HAVE TO DO IF THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN AT ALL AND YOU DIDN'T GO WITH THAT SECOND OPTION OF ADDING THE CLEANING, WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH A BUDGET AMENDMENT OR A SUPPLEMENTAL TO ADD MORE STAFFING TO PARKS BECAUSE IT'S IT'S BECOMING A BUSY, A VERY BUSY, ACTIVE PLACE AND IT NEEDS CLEANING ON A REGULAR BASIS.

AND AT THIS TIME, IT'S JUST THE SMELL AND OTHER THINGS.

IT JUST NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

THANK YOU, MADAM CITY MANAGER.

MY DIRECTION. I DO ALSO SUPPORT FULL IMPLEMENTATION.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE RESEARCH ON THIS AND I ALSO APPRECIATE THE WORK.

YOU ARE WILLING TO PARTNER WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OFFER MORE SUPPORT FOR FOR THOSE FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOBS AND TO KEEP US ALL SAFE.

I YIELD BACK. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO I'M GOING TO START BY SAYING I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF THE THE SERVICES THAT WE'VE HEARD DESCRIBED THE CLEANING, THE THE AMBASSADORSHIP.

I GUESS WHERE I HAVE SOME CONFUSION IS OR NOT CONFUSION, BUT CONCERN IS THE SORT OF OUTSOURCING COMPONENT.

YOU KNOW, WE ARE WE'RE FOND OF OUTSOURCING A LOT OF OUR SERVICES AND THAT CAN BE A WIN WIN.

AND IT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WAS NOT ALWAYS.

AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IF WE MAYBE PICKING UP FROM THE LAST COMMENTS, IF WE WERE TO TO SUPPLEMENT, COULD WE SUPPLEMENT EXISTING SO I GUESS EXISTING STAFF TO PERFORM AUGMENTATION OF THE CURRENT THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING PLUS THE ADDITIONAL I'LL ANSWER THAT ONE BECAUSE NO, THERE IS NO CAPACITY IN ANY OF OUR STAFF AT ALL TO ADD ANY EXTRA HOURS.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'M GOING TO I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO HOPEFULLY HAVE A CLOSE SESSION WITH THE COUNCIL ABOUT WORKLOADS.

THERE'S JUST NO CAPACITY WHATSOEVER.

WE'D LITERALLY HAVE TO HAVE TEN NEW STAFF ADDED TO OUR.

NO. AND I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

IS IT IS IT BETTER TO ADD TEN CONTRACTORS OR TEN NEW STAFF BECAUSE WE HAVE THE NIMBLENESS TO START, STOP, MOVE THEM AROUND, DO WHATEVER WE WANT BECAUSE WE ARE DEFINING THE BOUNDARY WELL, U SARA ARE DEFINING THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT YOUR STAFF DO VERSUS WE'LL HAVE A LOCKED IN CONTRACT WITH A VENDOR.

SO I'M AGREEING.

I'M BEING THE PERSON I AGREE WITH THE YOU'RE SUPPORTED.

YOU'RE JUST ASKING THE QUESTION INTERNAL OR IS IT EXTERNAL? SO I THINK AND FRANK CAN ADD MORE ON TO THIS, BUT I THINK WHAT WE FOUND IS THERE ARE SOME GROUPS OUT THERE, SOME BUSINESSES, AT LEAST TWO WE KNOW OF THAT ACTUALLY HAVE REALLY FINE TUNED THIS, HAVE THE EXPERIENCE, HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL, KNOW HOW TO HIRE THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO DO THIS.

IT IS A TOUGH WAY.

I WILL TELL YOU, IT'S TOUGH TO TO HIRE THE PEOPLE TO DO THIS.

AND I'M GOING TO LET FRANK SPEAK TO THIS BECAUSE HE HAS A LITTLE MORE EXPERIENCE.

BUT I THINK WE REALLY RECOMMEND A CONTRACT.

I THINK THE THING TO REMEMBER IS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUNCH OF SPECIALIZED THINGS THAT GO INTO THIS AND THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM ITSELF.

FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TRAIN STAFF TO THE LEVEL THAT THESE COMPANIES HAVE ALREADY DONE WOULD TAKE US TWICE THE TIME TO DO IT AND COST US PROBABLY 2 OR

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3 TIMES THE MONEY TO DO IT.

SO BEING ABLE TO GET THEM TO SPECIALIZED TRAINING, DEALING WITH HOSPITALITY, DEALING WITH SOME OF THE CRITICAL COMPONENTS OF DEALING WITH PEOPLE IN CRISIS, DEALING WITH JUST CUSTOMER SERVICE TO BE ABLE TO GET NEW STAFF MEMBERS, BRING THEM INTO THE CITY AND THEN PASS THAT TRAINING OUT WOULD TAKE US A LOT LONGER THAN IT WOULD FOR US TO GET A COMPANY THAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED IT.

IT'S ALREADY NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED TRAINING WITHIN THEMSELVES.

THEY'RE ALREADY FULLY INSURED AND BONDED AND THEY CAN LITERALLY HIT THE STREET RUNNING.

SO IF I COULD JUST BRIEFLY FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT FREQUENCY AND TIME TO GET STARTED WAS COMPELLING.

THE I GUESS ANOTHER ASPECT OF OF IN HOUSING THAT MAYBE YOU COULD ADDRESS IS THE ABILITY TO HAVE A NIMBLE RESPONSE THAT'S DENTON SPECIFIC VERSUS LIKE A LOT OF THE COMPARABLES THAT SEEM TO BE HIRED WERE LARGE URBAN AREAS AND WE'RE URBANIZING.

BUT I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY CALL OUR DOWNTOWN A LARGE URBAN AREA LIKE, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN DALLAS OR DOWNTOWN FORT WORTH.

BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN FORT WORTH, THIS IS SPECIFIC AROUND LIKE THE STOCKYARDS.

SO IT'S NOT REALLY A BIG URBAN AREA.

IT'S MORE LIKE A BAR TOURISM DISTRICT DOWN THERE.

SO I THINK THAT IT RELATES TO DENTON PRETTY WELL.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT ARE ON THE SQUARE NOW AND GIVING THEM OUR EXPECTATIONS WHEN WE'RE SCOPING OUT THAT WORK OF WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE ON HOW THEY TREAT OUR CITIZENS, I THINK SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

AND IT'S A LOT EASIER TO DO RIGHT, TO TO BE ABLE TO TO HIRE.

STAFF INTERNALLY.

SURE, THEY CAN BE MORE NIMBLE TO MOVE THEM AROUND THE CITY, BUT ARE WE GOING TO GET WHAT WE'RE REALLY ULTIMATELY LOOKING FOR? AND THAT'S WHERE OUR BUSINESS PARTNERS TO FEEL SAFE DOWN THERE FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES TO FEEL SAFE AND FOR US TO HAVE KIND OF A WELCOMING FEEL TO THE DOWNTOWN.

AND I THINK THE OTHER MOST IMPORTANT THING HERE THAT I DIDN'T MENTION OR ITS PILOT.

SO BY CONTRACTING, IT'S A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.

IF WE GO OUT AND HIRE FULL TIME STAFF NINE PLUS THE SUPERVISOR AND LET'S SAY AFTER TWO YEARS, IT'S NOT WORKING, WE THEN WE HAVE TEN POSITIONS ON OUR HANDS.

IT'S BETTER TO START OUT EVEN WITH A PILOT PROGRAM, WITH A COMPANY THAT HAS TRIED AND TRUE DONE.

THIS WORK HAS HAS A REPUTATION OF TRAINING.

SEE IF IT WORKS AND THEN GO FORWARD FROM IT.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT TO SAY IN FIVE YEARS WE WOULDN'T FEEL LIKE THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE TO HIRE OR EVEN IN THREE YEARS.

BUT I THINK IT'S STARTING OUT WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS DONE THIS WORK, WHO HAS TRIED AND TRUE, AND THEN WE GO FROM THERE.

WELL, I HEARD CONSENSUS OF MORE THAN I WAS FIVE, SO I'M NOT OBVIOUSLY IN THE WAY.

THESE ARE JUST QUESTIONS I HAD FOR WHAT IS THE VALUE OF IN-HOUSE VERSUS EXTERNALIZATION? OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILWOMAN WHAT'S. WHAT WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE FOR MAKING PROVIDING THE FUNDING FROM THE GENERAL FUND INSTEAD OF THE TIF FUNDS BECAUSE OR THE TOURIST FUNDS BECAUSE TOURIST FUNDS ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA, WHICH WE'VE, YOU KNOW, COLLECTED.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE STRUGGLED WITH PROJECTS AND THINGS TO DO THAT.

SO WHY ARE WE NOT USING TOURIST FUNDS INSTEAD OF GENERAL FUNDS, WHICH I WOULD LET ME JUST GIVE MY DIRECTION FIRST.

WELL, MY DIRECTION IS I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS IN THAT I'M OKAY WITH FULL IMPLEMENTATION, BUT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PRICING FOR PARTIAL.

AND I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR PRO TEM QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOU KNOW IF THIS COMES BACK AT WHO KNOWS WHAT, THERE MAY BE ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT BUT THE FUNDING IS I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE WE HAVE A SPECIFIC FUND FOR DOWNTOWN TOURS TYPES OF PROJECTS.

SO THAT WAS MY WHOLE BEEF WITH THIS THING 11 YEARS AGO IS IT'S ALL OF OUR OWN MONEY.

SO WHY? SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE USE TERS FUNDS INSTEAD OF THE GENERAL FUND.

AND SO WOULD THAT EVEN REQUIRE, WOULD THAT REQUIRE AN A SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET REQUEST? WELL, WAYNE'S GOING TO COME UP AND I THINK TALK ABOUT WHAT THE TOURIST FUNDS ARE FOR BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WON'T FIT THOSE.

OKAY. RIGHT. IT MAY NOT FIT.

THERE YOU GO. YOU JUST HAD TO WALK IN THE ROOM AND MACK STOP ME IF YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS.

BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THE TOURS FUNDS ARE LIMITED TO AND REALLY CAN'T BE USED FOR O&M PURPOSES.

THERE'S LIKE SOME SPECIALIZED LINE ITEMS YOU CAN DO.

WELL. OKAY.

AND THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH. AND THAT'S FINE.

I HOPE THAT THE TOURS I JUST IF WE'RE DOING STUFF DOWNTOWN, I REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME OF THE FUNDING AND THIS IS O AND M, I GUESS WE'VE DONE LIGHTS AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT SO.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

SO BUT DEFINITELY WITH IT BEING A PILOT, WHAT THE IDEA WAS, THERE'S LOTS OF POTENTIAL OTHER WAYS TO FUND IT, OTHER MECHANISMS.

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SO THE PILOT PROGRAM SHOULD BE.

FACT-FINDING AS WE WORK THROUGH, IS THIS WORKING? WHAT DO WE NEED? DO WE NEED MORE? WELL, WE CAN WORK THROUGH ADDITIONAL FUNDING ALTERNATIVES SO THAT THAT IS THE GOAL, TO DO THIS AS A PILOT AND THEN BRING BACK THIS IS LONG TERM.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO SUSTAIN THE FUNDING? OKAY. YEAH. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTION.

OKAY. ANY OTHER COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION.

WE WE'VE HAD TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS ASK FOR THOSE NUMBERS JUST SO WE KNOW WHERE TO LOOK FOR THOSE.

THOSE ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND AND FRIDAY REPORT OR SEPARATE IFR OR WORK SESSION WE'RE GOING TO DO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBERS OVERALL.

YES. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO AN ACTUAL A BUDGET AMENDMENT OR SUPPLEMENTAL.

HAVE YOU ALL APPROVED OR IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US DIRECTION TODAY, MOVE FORWARD WITH AN RFP NOW OR WAIT FOR THE BUDGET SUPPLEMENTAL AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS BODY AND SHARE PARTIAL IMPLEMENTATION AND FULL IMPLEMENTATION AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WHICH ONE YOU WANT TO GO WITH AND WHAT OPTIONS AND APPROVE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GOT IT.

THE STAFF HAVE A PREFERENCE ON THAT.

I DON'T.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT ONLY ONLY ADDITION.

I KIND OF PICK TRACK UP.

PICK UP ON IS KIND OF A TIERED APPROACH TO SEGREGATE OUT THE SERVICES SO THAT IT'S NOT A PACKAGE DEAL SO THAT PEOPLE CAN BID INDEPENDENTLY.

AND WE MAY PUT TOGETHER A HODGEPODGE, BUT AT LEAST THAT KIND OF TELLS PEOPLE IN RFP THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GUARANTEED TO DO ALL OF IT AND MAYBE THAT ELICITS BETTER PRICING.

BUT DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE ON BUDGET AMENDMENT OR RFP? WELL, I THINK IF IF WE CAN IF WE COULD GET THE OKAY TO MOVE FORWARD BY DOING THE RFP, WORKING ON IT NOW AND NOT, YOU KNOW, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO APPROVE ANYTHING, BUT JUST GO THROUGH THAT TO START WORKING ON WRITING THAT RFP IN THE SCOPE SO THAT WE'RE NOT WAITING TILL THE BUDGET.

THEN THAT STARTS IT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING OCTOBER.

BY THE TIME YOU WOULD APPROVE ALL THAT, WE THINK AND FROM OUR PARTNERS IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY OF WHOM SOME ARE HERE AND OUR POLICE AND ALL OF OUR PARTNERS, WE THINK WE OUGHT TO GET BUSY ON THIS AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THE SCOPE DONE, GO BRING IT BACK TO YOU ALL.

AND THEN BY THAT TIME, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE IN THE HEIGHT OF BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.

BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT I THINK WILL REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN OUR DOWNTOWN QUALITY.

GOT IT. OKAY. SO IS ANYONE OPPOSED TO GIVING AUTHORIZATION TO DO THE RFP NOW? SO THAT'S THE EASIEST, JUST IF YOU'RE OPPOSED TO IT.

OH, WELL, I UNDERSTAND ANYONE OPPOSED TO THE RFP.

OKAY, WELL, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE COMPLICATED.

OKAY. GO. RIGHT.

WELL, COUNCILMAN, THEN I DON'T HAVE.

WE DON'T HAVE DIRECTION. COUNCILMAN.

BYRD. OH, I MOVED ON FROM WHERE I WAS.

I'M THINKING ABOUT THE 1 TO 2 YEAR.

OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO START OUT WITH ONE YEAR AND AND ASSESS TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO GO ON FOR TWO YEARS.

SO IT'LL BE WHEN WE DO THE RFP, WE'LL PROBABLY DO IT IN WHERE WE SCOPE IT OUT TO SAY WE'RE LOOKING FOR A IF YOU COME UP HERE, A COMPANY THAT DOES THESE THINGS AND EITHER PARTIAL OR FULL IMPLEMENTATION, NO ONE IS GOING TO BID ON ONE A YEAR OR SO.

THEY'RE GOING TO YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE UP TO MAYBE A THREE YEAR CONTRACT OR SOMETHING.

BUT THAT'LL BE DETERMINED WHEN WE GET THOSE BIDS BACK.

IT'S HOW WE WRITE THE SCOPE.

BUT DANNY, I KNOW YOU'VE DONE A LOT MORE RESEARCH THAN I HAVE.

YEAH, IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE DIRECTION TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE RFP BECAUSE THAT WAY WE CAN GET GOOD BUDGET NUMBERS FOR YOU AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND THE TIME IT WILL TAKE US WILL PUT US RIGHT INTO THE BUDGET SEASON ANYWAY, WHERE YOU THEN CAN LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND YOU'RE YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.

SO THAT'D BE OUR PREFERENCE.

OKAY. SO WHY YOU HAVE THE FLOOR? WHERE DO YOU FALL ON RFP? WE'LL JUST GO ONE BY ONE. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU.

AND SO I MIGHT BE. YES.

TO IF YOU'RE GOING TO BRING THE THE SCOPE AND DETAILS OF THE RFP BACK, YOU'RE JUST THIS IS JUST A NEBULOUS MOVE FORWARD WITH AN RFP OR WE'RE GOING TO GET SCOPING DETAILS OF THE RFP THAT THAT'S SORT OF I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH A WITH A VAGUE NO, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE VAGUE.

BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE GIVING US IS DIRECTION TO DEVELOP A SCOPE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE WHAT WE SAID IN HERE ABOUT LOOKING FOR A PARTIAL OR A FULL IMPLEMENTATION OF A SAFETY AND HOSPITALITY TEAM.

THAT GOES INTO DETAIL OF THE OTHER SLIDES YOU SAW AND HOW THEY WOULD BREAK IT DOWN.

THEN WE WOULD SEND THAT OUT AND BRING THE ULTIMATE THE RESPONSES BACK SAYING HERE'S A THROUGH, YOU KNOW, D OF HERE ARE THE OPTIONS THAT THEY'VE GIVEN US.

ONE ONLY GAVE US A PARTIAL TWO GAVE US A FULL THIS IS THE BETTER PRICE THIS IS THE BETTER RANKED COMPANY WHATEVER HOW WE DO THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

AND THAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU.

RIGHT. I THINK WE'VE HEARD CLEAR DIRECTION HOW YOU WANT THE SCOPE TO LOOK.

SO WE WOULD DRAFT UP THE SCOPE, GO AHEAD AND ISSUE THE RFP AND THEN BRING BACK THE INFORMATION ON THE BUDGET TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND LET ME JUST BE CLEAR.

THAT'S WHAT YOU DO FOR ALL THE RFPS, RIGHT? DO WE PROOF RFP? NO. LIKE THE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING ONE YOU DID BEFORE WAS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE NORMALLY DO.

NORMALLY, WE WOULD WRITE THE SCOPE ISSUE, THE RFP, BRING BACK THE INFORMATION IN A CONTRACT FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW AND APPROVE.

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THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

GOT IT. ANYONE ELSE? MACK. COUNCILMAN. MCGEE. I'M A YES FOR THE RFP.

ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN DAVIS. I HADN'T HEARD YOU ON THE RFP.

YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. SEEMS LIKE IT SAVES US SOME STEPS.

COUNCILWOMAN. WHAT'S.

YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH THE PROCESS AS IT'S BEEN DESCRIBED.

OKAY. THAT'S.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? BECAUSE THAT'S A MAJORITY SUPPORT FOR.

YES. FULL IMPLEMENTATION ISH.

WE'LL LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, ITEMIZED NUMBERS, RFP AUTHORIZATION.

YES, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.

ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? GREAT. THANK YOU.

TAKES US TO ITEM D, ID 23367.

[D. Receive a report and hold a discussion regarding an update on the City’s organizational performance management. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 15 minutes]]

RECEIVE REPORT HOLD DISCUSSION REGARDING AN UPDATE ON THE CITY'S ORGANIZATIONAL PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT.

OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON.

SO BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANT TO DO A QUICK INTRODUCTION FOR HER.

SO IN 2022, WE HAD HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ON HAVING A STRATEGIC FOCUS.

THE OUTCOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS INCLUDED ADDING STRATEGIC FOCUS TO OUR CORE VALUES AND THEN THE HIRING OF OUR FIRST EVER CHIEF STRATEGY OFFICER.

SO WE BROUGHT ON AMY CATHOLIC ON BOARD TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT CITYWIDE PROCESS PROCESSES FOR MONITORING, PERFORMANCE AND STREAMLINING HOW WE USE DATA.

SO IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD, AMY HAS PROCURED AND IMPLEMENTED PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE, PULLED TOGETHER OVER 100 STRATEGIC INITIATIVES AND IMPLEMENTED CONSISTENT REPORTING.

SO BEFORE SHE STARTS, I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THE WORK SHE'S DOING.

SHE COMES TO US WITH 23 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

SHE'S DESIGNATED A DESIGNATED CHIEF INNOVATION OFFICER BY BLOOMBERG AND PHILANTHROPIES, AND WE ARE JUST REALLY EXCITED FOR YOU ALL TO HEAR ABOUT ALL THE WORK SHE'S DONE IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON.

AMY CASTLE, CHIEF STRATEGY OFFICER.

I'M HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

SORRY. I'M HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN UPDATE ON THE CITY'S ORGANIZATIONAL STRATEGY, AS WELL AS THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE SINCE OUR UPDATE LAST OCTOBER. AWESOME.

SO YOU'LL NEVER SEE ME PRESENT ABOUT THE CITY'S ORGANIZATIONAL STRATEGY WITHOUT FIRST HIGHLIGHTING COUNCIL'S KEY FOCUS AREAS, WHICH YOU SEE HERE AS IT IS THESE FOCUS AREAS THAT HELP SET THE FOUNDATION FOR ALL THAT WE DO.

SO WE SHARED THE MANY BENEFITS OF STRATEGIC PLANNING WHEN WE PROVIDED OUR LAST UPDATE, HOW IMPORTANT IT IS IN SETTING THE OVERALL DIRECTION OF THE ORGANIZATION, KEEPING US FOCUSED ON THE RIGHT THINGS, ALIGNING THE ORGANIZATION AROUND COMMON GOALS AND THE IMPACT THAT HAS ON BREAKING DOWN SILOS, LETTING GOALS TAKE THE LEAD IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS AND IN GENERAL, JUST BEING MORE AWARE OF AND RESPONSIVE TO ORGANIZATIONAL AND COMMUNITY NEEDS.

SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THE LAST TWO BOXES, AND THAT IS THE IMPORTANCE OF STRATEGIC PLANNING IN SERVING AS A MANAGEMENT TOOL AND AS A MEANS FOR CREATING ACCOUNTABILITY, BECAUSE THIS LAST PIECE IS SO IMPORTANT AND WE WE NEVER WANT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN TO JUST BECOME A DOCUMENT THAT SITS ON A SHELF. WE ARE LAUNCHING A PUBLIC FACING DASHBOARD.

SO NOT ONLY DOES THIS CREATE ACCOUNTABILITY AND PROVIDE THAT VERY MUCH NEEDED MANAGEMENT TOOL, IT ALSO GREATLY ENHANCES TRANSPARENCY AROUND THE WORK BEING DONE ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION.

SO THE CITY'S NEW PUBLIC FACING DASHBOARD DETAILS OVER 100 INITIATIVES THAT ARE ALIGNED WITH AND IN SUPPORT OF COUNCIL'S KEY FOCUS AREAS. THIS INCLUDES STATUS PROGRESS AND THEN THE LAST UPDATE PROVIDED BY THE ASSIGNED INITIATIVE OWNER.

SO LET'S TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE DASHBOARD.

SO BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR INTO THE DASHBOARD, I WANT TO POINT OUT TWO THINGS THAT REALLY SERVE TO MAKE THE DASHBOARD MORE ACCESSIBLE. THE FIRST IS THE USE OF GOOGLE TRANSLATE, WHICH MEANS THAT USERS CAN SELECT 22 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES IN ADDITION TO ENGLISH TO VIEW THIS DASHBOARD IN. THE SECOND IS JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT THIS DASHBOARD RECONFIGURES OPTIMIZES

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BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT ON YOUR CELL PHONE TABLET MONITOR WIDE SCREEN.

IT RECONFIGURES TO FIT THE END USER'S DEVICE.

SO WE START OUT THE DASHBOARD BY PROVIDING A OVERALL DESCRIPTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON, AND THEN WE EVEN SHARE A LINK TO THE 2022 HIGHLIGHTS SO THAT IF USERS WANT TO SEE SOME OF THE WORK DONE BY THE ORGANIZATION PRIOR TO THE COMPLETION OF THIS DASHBOARD, THEY'RE ABLE TO DO SO BY CLICKING ON THAT HYPERLINK AND THEN LOOKING AT OUR 2022 HIGHLIGHTS.

NEXT YOU'LL SEE THERE IS A SPACE FOR EACH OF THE KEY FOCUS AREAS THAT YOU HAVE DESIGNATED.

AND THEN WITHIN EACH OF THOSE, OR FOR EACH OF THOSE, YOU SEE THIS BLUE PROGRESS BAR.

AND BASICALLY THAT'S SUMMARIZING THE PROGRESS OF ALL OF THE INITIATIVES THAT ARE ALIGNED WITH THAT PARTICULAR KEY FOCUS AREA.

NEXT, YOU'LL SEE THIS VERY COLORFUL STATUS BAR.

SO ON THE STATUS BAR YOU HAVE GRAY, WHICH MEANS THERE'S THERE'S AN UPDATE DUE AND IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE THAT WE HAVE AN INITIATIVE THAT STARTS THIS MONTH.

SO IT'S ALREADY TURNED THAT ONE GRAY.

WE HAVE GREEN TO SHOW INITIATIVES THAT ARE ON TRACK.

YELLOW TO SHOW WHERE THERE'S SOME DISRUPTION.

SO SOME DISRUPTION MEANS THAT THERE MAY BE A DELAY IN THE TIMELY COMPLETION OF AN INITIATIVE.

AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME RED A LITTLE RED HERE AND THERE.

AND THAT MEANS THERE'S BEEN A MAJOR DISRUPTION.

SO THAT TIMELINE AND COMPLETION OF THAT, THAT INITIATIVE WILL ABSOLUTELY BE BE DELAYED.

NEXT WE HAVE PURPLE, WHICH IS UPCOMING.

SO IT'S AN INITIATIVE WITH A FUTURE START DATE.

AND THEN WE HAVE BLUE, WHICH DESIGNATES COMPLETED INITIATIVES.

AND IF ALL OF THAT IS JUST A LOT OF INFORMATION, WE ALSO HAVE A LEGEND DOWN HERE THAT WILL EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT EACH OF THOSE COLORS MEAN.

SO THEN THE NEXT THING THAT WE CAN DO IS DRILL DOWN INTO EACH ONE OF THESE KEY FOCUS AREAS.

SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND DRILL DOWN INTO STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE.

SO HERE AGAIN, YOU SEE THAT PROGRESS INDICATOR AS WELL AS STATUS BAR FOR THIS PARTICULAR KEY FOCUS AREA.

THEN YOU SEE TWO DATA VISUALIZATIONS AND THESE HAPPEN TO BE FROM THE MOST RECENT COMMUNITY SURVEY.

THEN YOU SEE THE TWO STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES THAT ARE ALIGNED WITH THIS KEY FOCUS AREA.

AGAIN, YOU'LL CONTINUALLY SEE THIS PROGRESS INDICATOR AND STATUS BAR.

SO ONCE AGAIN WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER DIVE DEEPER INTO THE DASHBOARD.

SO I'M GOING TO DO THAT BY SELECTING STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY AMENITIES.

SO THEN WE SEE A RATHER LONG, VERY EXTENSIVE LIST OF INITIATIVES THAT ARE ALIGNED WITH AND IN SUPPORT OF THIS KEY FOCUS AREA. SO YOU'VE GOT AGAIN, THE DESCRIPTION OF THAT INITIATIVE, THE STATUS, THE INDICATOR.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND AGAIN, GO ONE ONE LAYER DEEPER INTO THE PLAN AND I'LL SELECT COMPLETE PACKAN CREEK TRAIL MASTER PLAN.

SO I'LL CLICK ON THAT.

AND NOW WE SEE THE LAST UPDATE THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY THAT INITIATIVES OWNER SHOWING WHERE THEY'RE AT IN THE COMPLETION OF THE PACKAN CREEK TRAIL MASTER PLAN.

ONE OF THE OTHER FEATURES I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU IS THE ABILITY TO SEARCH FOR AN INITIATIVE.

SO LET'S SAY YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH WITH CITY HALL.

YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT TO BE IN HERE SOMEWHERE, BUT YOU'RE NOT QUITE SURE JUST YET WHERE IT IS.

YOU CAN CLICK ON THE SEARCH FEATURE AND THEN BEGIN TYPING IN YOUR SEARCH.

AND IT'LL PULL UP EVERYTHING THAT FITS THAT CRITERIA.

SO I'M GOING TO SELECT, EXPLORE, PLAN FOR NEW CITY HALL, AND IT IMMEDIATELY GOES INTO THAT INITIATIVE.

YOU SEE THAT DESCRIPTION AGAIN, STATUS, PROGRESS AND STATUS.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE LAST UPDATE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE COLOR SHOWS UP HERE QUITE AS WELL, BUT I CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT THIS IS A HYPERLINK IN THAT UPDATE.

SO I'LL CLICK ON THAT HYPERLINK.

AND NOW AS AN END USER OF THIS DASHBOARD, I NOW CAN READ AND HAVE ACCESS TO THIS INFORMAL STAFF REPORT AND LEARN SO MUCH MORE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS PARTICULAR INITIATIVE.

ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT TO YOU IS JUST THE EASE OF NAVIGATION OF THE SYSTEM.

SO IF I WANT TO SWITCH TO ANOTHER KEY FOCUS AREA, I CAN USE THESE NAVIGATION BAR ON TOP.

ALSO HAVE THESE NAVIGATION BUTTONS AND I CAN MOVE BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT KEY FOCUS AREAS.

AND THEN IF I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE HOME PAGE, I HAVE A HOME BUTTON HERE OR I CAN CLICK ON THE CITY'S LOGO.

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ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DASHBOARD BEFORE I GO BACK TO THE PRESENTATION? I HAVE ONE? YES. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE TOP ON THE TRANSLATIONS? YES, PLEASE.

AND THANK YOU. OKAY.

AND GO TO KOREA AND LET'S SAY, OKAY.

AND THEN GO BACK TO ENGLISH.

OKAY. YES. AND SO THAT IS THERE IS THERE A WAY FOR THEM TO ADD ENGLISH INTO THE DROPDOWN OR BECAUSE IT'S NOT INTUITIVE TO THINK TO LOOK ABOVE THAT TOO? I JUST EXPERIENCED THAT MYSELF THIS MORNING.

YES. I WILL PASS THAT FEEDBACK ALONG TO THEM.

I ABSOLUTELY EXPERIENCED THAT THIS MORNING, WHICH IS HOW I KNEW HOW TO GET BACK TO IT REALLY WELL.

I TINKERED WITH IT, BUT BUT IT'S STILL NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO KIND OF LIKE, HEY, WHERE IS IT? YES. YOU KNOW, I WILL PASS THAT ALONG TO THE VENDOR.

YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY, I CHECKED IT IN FRENCH.

IT LOOKED OKAY. YEAH.

YES. MAYOR PRO TEM.

MY ONLY DASHBOARD QUESTION IS WHEN ARE WHEN IS THIS GOING TO BE DEPLOYED? TODAY. TODAY.

TODAY. AND IS THAT DEPLOYED FOR JUST FOR STAFF AND COUNCIL OR IS THERE A PUBLIC FACING PUBLIC FACING.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN DAVIS ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS IS PRETTY RAD.

IT'S HELPS US ANSWER QUESTIONS WHEN RESIDENTS CALL US AND HAVE, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU CAN SEARCH BY INITIATIVE.

YOU CAN SEARCH BY FOCUS AREA AND GOALS AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

WHAT IS KIND OF OUR I'M GOING TO USE THE NAME OF A WHOLE DIFFERENT PLAN, BUT WHAT IS OUR SUSTAINABILITY PLAN FOR THIS DASHBOARD? LIKE HOW IS IT, HOW IS IT MAINTAINED? HOW IS INFORMATION PUT INTO IT? KNOWING THAT PEOPLE CHANGE ROLES, PEOPLE GO DO DIFFERENT THINGS.

WE KNOW THIS COUNCIL AND THIS CITY MANAGER ARE VERY COMMITTED TO THE TRANSPARENCY OF THESE FOCUS AREAS AND MAKING SURE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

BUT HOW DO WE SUSTAIN THIS GOING FORWARD SO IT DOESN'T JUST TURN INTO THE NIFTY ONLINE VERSION OF ALL THE BINDERS AND BINDERS AND BINDERS OF PLANS THAT WE HAVE? WELL, I LIKE TO SAY THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE THE SYSTEM BUILT.

USERS ARE ASSIGNED.

THOSE END USERS ARE RESPONSIBLE AND ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR PROVIDING THOSE UPDATES IN THE SYSTEM.

THEY ARE PROMPTED EVERY MONTH TO PROVIDE THAT UPDATE.

WE ARE ABLE TO SEE ON OUR END WHEN THE LAST UPDATE WAS PROVIDED, WE CAN SEE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION.

I CAN VERY EASILY REASSIGN AS SOMEONE LEAVES THE ORGANIZATION, GET WITH THAT DIRECTOR, REASSIGN THAT TO THE NEXT NEW USER OR THE NEW OWNER OF THE INITIATIVE.

SO THAT'S PUSHED OUT TO THEM.

THEY GET REMINDERS OR NOTIFICATIONS AUTOMATED.

HEY, IT'S IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO INPUT YOUR LATEST UPDATE, EVEN IF IT MEANS NO UPDATE.

YES. AND THEN THE DIRECTORS EACH MONTH BEFORE THEIR REPORTING PERIOD CLOSES, THEY GET A COPY OF THEIR DEPARTMENT'S REPORT SO THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO REVIEW IT.

AND THEN THE FIRST OF EVERY MONTH, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE GETS GETS A REPORT OF THEIR DEPARTMENTS COMBINED SO THAT THAT THAT INFORMATION IS CONSTANTLY PUSHED OUT ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION AND USED.

I BELIEVE OUR PLAN IS TO USE THAT AS PART OF THE QUARTERLY REVIEWS WITH THE DIRECTORS GOING FORWARD THAT THAT IS AN INPUT ALONG WITH SOMETHING I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU IN A FEW MINUTES. THAT'S AN INPUT INTO THAT ORGANIZATIONAL QUARTERLY PERFORMANCE EVALUATION.

I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT A PERFORMANCE EVALUATION.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD. BUT THOSE QUARTERLY MEETINGS WITH THE DIRECTORS.

OKAY, GOOD DEAL. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? GREAT. THANK YOU.

WHOOP. OKAY.

I WENT REALLY FAST ON THAT.

ALL RIGHT. SO AGAIN, REALLY EXCITED TO BE PROVIDING THIS AS A MANAGEMENT TOOL AND OFFERING THAT GREATER TRANSPARENCY TO THE COMMUNITY.

A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK HAS GONE INTO TO GETTING THIS BUILT AND I DEFINITELY WANT TO EXTEND MY THANKS TO ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS FOR WORKING SO HARD IN GETTING THIS DONE.

THE GETTING THIS TO LAUNCH IS THE BIGGEST PUSH AFTER THIS IS JUST AGAIN, MAKING SURE WE GET THOSE UPDATES AND THEN CONTINUE TO ADD AS NEW INITIATIVES COME ALONG.

SO TO REALLY JUST FURTHER BOLSTER TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY, WE ARE BUILDING SIMILAR DASHBOARDS FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.

SIMPLY SUSTAINABLE.

I SELECTED BOTH OF THOSE TWO TO HAVE THAT MOVE FORWARD SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE THEY ARE IDENTIFIED AS PRIORITIES FOR COUNCIL.

SO THOSE ARE VERY MUCH IN THE WORKS AND SOON TO BE RELEASED.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AT THIS POINT IS THE FURTHEST ALONG.

WE'LL ALSO BE BUILDING ONE FOR THE LIBRARY STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH WAS JUST RECENTLY ADOPTED, AND THEN BUILDING OTHER PLANNING DOCUMENTS INTO THIS TYPE OF A STRUCTURE. IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, YOU WILL SEE REFERENCES TO KEY FOCUS AREAS ON COUNCIL AGENDA ITEMS, AGAIN TO

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REINFORCE THEIR ROLE AS THE FOUNDATION FOR THE ORGANIZATION.

STARTING THIS WEEK, COUNCIL WILL RECEIVE A REPORT THAT DETAILS THE INITIATIVES IN THE PLAN THAT HAVE BEEN SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED AS COUNCIL PRIORITIES. YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS FRIDAY AND THEN SOMETHING THAT WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IS THE NEXT BIG THING FOR STRATEGIC SERVICES AND FOR THE ORGANIZATION IS THE CREATION OF DATA ANALYTICS DASHBOARDS.

SO THESE DASHBOARDS ARE GOING TO HELP US TELL OUR STORY, BE BETTER INFORMED, IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES, CELEBRATE SUCCESSES, AND JUST IN GENERAL, SHINE A FLASHLIGHT ON PERFORMANCE ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION.

THESE DASHBOARDS ARE THE RESULT OF A SERIES OF DEPARTMENT PERFORMANCE WORKSHOPS WHERE WE FIRST SET OUT TO CREATE A PURPOSE STATEMENT FOR EACH DEPARTMENT.

WHAT'S THEIR ROLE IN THE ORGANIZATION? WHO ARE THEIR CUSTOMERS? WHAT OUTCOMES ARE THEY TRYING TO ACHIEVE? WE THEN IDENTIFY CORE SERVICES AND DEVELOP A FAMILY OF MEASURES WITH A FOCUS ON WORKLOAD, OUTCOME AND EFFICIENCY MEASURES.

SO WE ARE THEN USING THAT TO BUILD WHAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU NEXT, WHICH IS A DATA ANALYTICS DASHBOARD.

SO UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

BUT PARKS, I WILL SAY, HAS BEEN DOING AN AMAZING JOB ON WORKING TO GET GET THIS WHOLE DASHBOARD FILLED OUT.

YOU'LL SEE WE START OUT WITH THAT PURPOSE STATEMENT THAT WE CREATED ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT.

AND THEN WE GO INTO OUR FIRST CORE SERVICE, WHICH FOR PARKS, THEY IDENTIFIED THEIR FIRST CORE SERVICES, PROVIDE RECREATIONAL, EDUCATIONAL AND WELLNESS OPPORTUNITIES, PROVIDE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION AROUND THAT PARTICULAR CORE SERVICE.

WE'VE GOT SOME HIGH LEVEL INFORMATION FOR 2122 IN THERE, AND THEN WE MOVE TO OUR FIRST DATA VISUALIZATION.

SO ON THIS ONE, WE'RE LOOKING AT VISITORS AT RECREATION CENTERS.

IF YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT IMMEDIATELY WILL NOTICE THE ANOMALY IN THE CHART.

THE GREAT THING IS, IS WHEN WE SEE THINGS LIKE THAT, WE CAN PUT INFORMATION INTO THE SYSTEM SO THAT IF I'M WONDERING WHY VISITS AT THE CIVIC CENTER SPIKED IN OCTOBER OF 2022, I CAN THEN HOVER OVER THAT PARTICULAR ANOMALY AND READ A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF THAT. ALSO, LET'S SAY I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE VISITED THE DENTON SENIOR CENTER.

I CAN TURN OFF EVERY OTHER DATA POINT AND JUST SEE THAT ONE DATA POINT AGAIN.

TODAY IS JUST ALL ABOUT GIVING YOU A SENSE OF THE LOOK, THE FEEL AND THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THESE DASHBOARDS, NOT NECESSARILY DIVING INTO THE DATA TODAY.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO SCROLL THROUGH THIS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO, TOO, IS WE HAVE ONE HERE THAT'S RECREATION, RECREATION PROGRAMS AND CLASSES MADE IN THAT LINE OF THE WORLD.

IN THAT BUSINESS, I ASSURE YOU THAT EVERYONE IN PARKS AND RECREATION KNOWS WHAT THAT MEANS.

BUT JUST FOR ANYONE ELSE, WE DO SHARE WHAT A WHAT MADE MEANS FOR THIS CHART.

JUST TO GIVE SOME REFERENCE AND UNDERSTANDING TO THE VISUALIZATION BEING SHOWN, YOU'LL SEE ALSO WE'RE ABLE TO PUT IN TARGETS BENCHMARKS WHERE THEY'RE AVAILABLE. WE'RE BUILDING THOSE INTO THE SYSTEM AS WELL.

AS WE SCROLL DOWN, WE SEE INFORMATION ON SPORTS FACILITIES, THE AQUATICS FACILITIES, CAMPS, SPECIAL EVENTS, THE IMPACT OF SPORTS TOURISM.

WE HAVE DATA AROUND THAT.

THEN WE MOVE INTO THEIR SECOND CORE SERVICE AND WE LOOK AT WE'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION HERE ON THE TOTAL MILES OF TRAILS.

WELL, JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER ON PEOPLE WITH TOTAL MILES OF TRAILS AND THEN PARK ACRES, WHERE WE'RE SHOWING TOTAL AND GROWTH OVER TIME, WE'RE ABLE TO CREATE THE SUMMARY LABEL SO THAT YOU CAN VERY, VERY CLEARLY SEE THAT IN 21, 22, WE ADDED NEARLY 240 ACRES OF PARKLAND, WHICH EXCEEDS THE TARGET OF 150 ACRES PER YEAR.

LAST ONE I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU IS THE TEN MINUTE WALK SHARING THAT 50% OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE WITHIN A TEN MINUTE WALK FROM EVERY PARK GOAL IS THE TARGET IS 55.

SO WE'RE ALMOST THERE.

BUT LET'S SAY YOU JUST ARE WONDERING WHY DOES THAT EVEN MATTER? AND WHAT'S A TEN MINUTE WALK? WHAT'S THAT ALL ABOUT? SO WE'RE ABLE TO PUT A HYPERLINK IN THE DASHBOARD AND THEN WE ARE ABLE TO READ A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT A TEN MINUTE WALK IS. AGAIN, JUST GIVING THAT PARTICULAR DATA VISUALIZATION A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT.

SO WE ARE BUILDING THESE DATA ANALYTICS DASHBOARDS FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE ORGANIZATION AND LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING

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YOU UPDATES AS THOSE ARE FURTHER DEVELOPED.

I KNOW SOME COMMENTS FOR THAT.

I JUST NEED TO SAY THIS IS A LONG TIME COMING AND I HOPE YOU ALL ARE AS GIDDY AS CHRISTINE IS.

BUT THIS HAS BEEN A BABY OF CHRISTINE.

SO WE NEED TO GIVE CREDIT TO CHRISTINE WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.

SHE HAS BEEN ALL OVER THIS AND PUSHING US TO TO GET MORE DATA DRIVEN, WHICH SHE SHOULD GET A BIG HAND.

BUT SHE ALSO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIRING AMY.

WE HIRED HER AWAY FROM IRVING.

AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, THE WORK THAT SHE'S BEEN ABLE TO DO WITH ALL OUR DEPARTMENTS AND SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND COME UP AND HELP THEM WITH THIS HAS BEEN AMAZING.

SO WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE AMY.

SHE'S NOT LEAVING US FOR A LONG TIME, BUT THIS IS SOME NEAT STUFF WILL HELP US BE BETTER DATA DRIVEN.

BUT ALSO WHEN YOU ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT, WELL, I KNOW YOU NEED IT, BUT HOW TO GIVE US THE NUMBERS, TELL US THE DATA, WE'LL HAVE IT FOR YOU.

AND IT FORCES US TO BE MORE DATA DRIVEN.

BUT IT ALSO WILL BE BETTER WHEN YOU ASK WHEN WE START TO PREPARE OUR BUDGETS, IT'LL BE BASED ON DATA AND FACTS AND NOT WE KNOW WE NEED IT.

IT'S IT'S JUST A REALLY NEAT THING.

AND I'M I'M JUST I'LL TELL YOU, I'M NOT AS GIDDY AS CHRISTINE, BUT I AM JUST REALLY PLEASED THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THIS.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. AGREED.

YEAH. AND ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN THUS FAR? MAYOR PRO TEM. I MIGHT BE IN COMPETITION WITH HOW GIDDY I AM, SINCE THIS IS WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING.

MY QUESTION IS ON THE STATIC REPORTS IS, IS THE LIMITS OF THE LICENSING SUCH THAT ONLY THE STRATEGIC AND STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO DO THE PLANS OR WILL BE ABLE TO DO OUR OWN PLANETS AND DO OUR OWN GRAPHS? SO THAT IS THE LICENSING.

HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY.

HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY TO THAT.

OKAY. SO SO VERY, VERY QUICKLY, UPON JOINING THE ORGANIZATION, I KNEW WITHOUT A DOUBT WE NEEDED AN ENTERPRISE LICENSE.

WE DIDN'T NEED TO BE LIMITED IN USERS PLANS OR ANYTHING ELSE.

SO THERE ARE THERE ARE NO LIMITATIONS.

SOUNDS GREAT AND EVEN MORE GIDDY.

SHE LIMITED, BUT. OKAY.

GOT IT. I ADMINISTER IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL JUST ASK ON THE LINKS, IS THERE A SYSTEMATIC WAY THAT THOSE ARE CHECKED REGULARLY? RIGHT. SO IF A LINK IS BROKEN, SOMEHOW THAT'S AUTOMATICALLY ALERTED AND RESOLVED.

AND SO WITHIN THE SYSTEM WHERE YOU SEE LINKING TO A DOCUMENT, THOSE DOCUMENTS, THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS BEST PRACTICE IS TO UPLOAD THOSE DOCUMENTS TO THE SYSTEM SO THEY LIVE THERE AND THAT IS ALSO UNLIMITED.

THEY LIVE WITHIN OUR SOFTWARE AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT LINKS BEING BROKEN.

OKAY, GREAT. YEAH.

AS FAR AS THE TEN MINUTE WALK, YES, THAT ONE WILL BE CHECKED.

YEAH. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING. SEEING? NONE. IS THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER.

NO, SIR. OKAY, GREAT.

SO I'M GOING TO COME UP AGAIN BECAUSE YOU.

YOU'VE BEEN HERE A BIT, BUT YOU.

SO PRESENTATION WISE, YOU'RE GOING TO COME BEARING GIFTS.

OH, SO.

AND I'M GLAD WE STOLE YOU FROM IRVING.

I LIKE IRVING A LOT, BUT I LIKE YOU AND DENTON.

I LIKE ME AND DENTON TOO.

YEAH. YEAH, IT'S GREAT. EVERYTHING'S GREAT.

GREAT CITY. SO.

SO HERE YOU GO. SO THERE'S THE ELEPHANT.

SO YOU CAN REMEMBER YOU WHEN YOU PRESENTED AND ROLLED OUT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR DASHBOARDS AND THAT STUFF.

SO THANK YOU. AND IT MATCHES YOUR COAT A LITTLE BIT.

WELL, NO, I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GOING.

IT'S GOING IN MY LITTLE ZEN SAND GARDEN THING.

SO THERE YOU GO. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. YES, THANK YOU FOR SURE.

GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, OKAY, LET'S BEFORE WE DIG INTO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE BOND ELECTION, LET'S TAKE A SHORT FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK.

SO IT IS WELL, WE'LL EXTEND IT A BIT.

SO IT'S 253. WE'LL BE BACK AT THREE TO TAKE UP ITEM E.

AND WELCOME BACK TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

IT IS 301 AND WE ARE WORKING THROUGH OUR WORK SESSION.

[E. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding a proposed bond election for November 2023 and citizen committee. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 60 minutes]]

WE'RE AT ITEM E, WHICH IS ID 23455 RECEIVE REPORT HOLD DISCUSSION GIVES STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING A PROPOSED BOND ELECTION FOR 2023 AND A CITIZENS COMMITTEE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL.

CASSIE OGDEN, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER HERE TO FOLLOW UP ON OUR BOND CONVERSATION FROM JANUARY.

A BRIEF AGENDA. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR PROGRAM GOALS AGAIN, THE PROPOSED PROPOSITIONS, THE TAX RATE PROJECTIONS, AND THEN ESTABLISHING THE COMMITTEE AND GIVING THEM THEIR CHARGE.

SO JUST TO REITERATE THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM, THESE ARE SOME OF OUR GOALS.

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SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO ALIGN ALL OF OUR PROPOSED PROJECTS WITH COUNCIL'S PRIORITIES, TRYING TO MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE OUR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, ENHANCE RECREATIONAL AND QUALITY OF LIFE AREAS, AND THEN ALLOW FOR FLEXIBILITY WITH OUR PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES.

SOME OF THE DRIVERS OF THESE PROJECTS WE'VE WE'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, BUT REALLY TRYING THOSE PROJECTS TO OUR MASTER PLANS, SOME OF OUR CONDITION ASSESSMENTS THAT WE'VE CONDUCTED ON OUR FACILITIES AND THEN ALSO TRYING TO MEET THE THE GROWTH DEMANDS.

WE'VE PUT TOGETHER OUR POTENTIAL PROPOSITIONS.

SO THESE HAVE REMAINED THE SAME SINCE THE LAST TIME I PRESENTED.

SO QUALITY OF LIFE FACILITIES, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, ROADWAYS, DRAINAGE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

AND I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THE PROPOSITIONS HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF USE AND PURPOSE.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE SOME OF THE PROJECTS WITHIN THOSE PROPOSITIONS.

I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR BOND COUNSEL, GREG SHAKER, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE OUR PROJECTS ALIGNED IN THE CORRECT PROPOSITIONS.

AND ULTIMATELY BEFORE WE GO TO HOLD A BOND ELECTION, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS TO SIGN OFF ON THE PROPOSITIONS AND THE PROJECTS THAT ARE PROPOSED WITHIN THOSE PROPOSITIONS.

SO I WANTED TO PROVIDE A MAP.

LAST TIME WE DIDN'T HAVE A MAP AVAILABLE, BUT THIS THIS MAP SHOWS ALL OF OUR PROPOSED PROJECTS AND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF TOWN.

WE'VE BROKEN THEM OUT INTO THE SIX DIFFERENT PROPOSITIONS, SO YOU CAN SEE ALL THE QUALITY OF LIFE FACILITIES, PUBLIC SAFETY ROADWAYS, DRAINAGE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.

SO I WON'T GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL ON EACH PROJECT.

THAT'S REALLY WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ESTABLISHING THE COMMITTEE AND THE CHARGE.

BUT JUST WANTED TO GO OVER BRIEFLY.

QUALITY OF LIFE PROPOSITION IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED AT 72.5 MILLION.

REALLY DRIVEN BY THAT PARKS, RECREATION AND TRAILS MASTER PLAN.

SO WE HAVE INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND THAT'S AT NORTH LAKES PARK RIGHT NOW AS PROPOSED, CONTINUING OUR TRAIL DEVELOPMENT.

SO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

AQUATICS IMPROVEMENTS.

AND THEN BASED ON COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK IN JANUARY, WE DID REMOVE THE NATURE CENTER PROJECT FROM THIS PROPOSITION AND WE HAVE ADDED THE ACTIVE ADULT OR INTERGENERATIONAL FACILITY.

SO THAT WOULD BE A NEW BUILDING, NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR THAT CENTER OF A PROPOSED $39 MILLION.

AND AGAIN, THIS CAN ALL BE VETTED THROUGH THE COMMITTEE, BUT BASED ON COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK IN JANUARY, WE DID MAKE THAT CHANGE TO THIS PROPOSITION.

SO THE NEXT PROPOSITION AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, PROPOSITIONS HAVE TO HAVE SINGLE USE OR BE LIKE PROJECTS.

SO CITY FACILITIES PROPOSITION IS AT 64.9 MILLION.

IT INCLUDES SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY RELOCATION.

SO RELOCATING OUR EXISTING SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY, GIVING THEM A LARGER BUILDING.

THAT NEW PROJECT IS PROPOSED AT 43 MILLION, AN EXPANSION OF OUR EXISTING ANIMAL SHELTER AT THE EXISTING FACILITY, AND THEN A RENOVATION OF CITY HALL WEST AT 9.4 MILLION.

BASED ON THE DISCUSSION IN JANUARY, WE DID REMOVE THE SERVICE CENTER FROM THIS PROPOSITION.

YOU REMEMBER WE HAD THAT INCLUDED IN THIS PROPOSITION ORIGINALLY.

WE'VE REMOVED THAT AND WE'RE CONTEMPLATING FUNDING THAT WITH COS.

AND BECAUSE OF THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, THAT IS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR FACILITY RENOVATIONS RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY.

SO WE CAN MOVE A LITTLE FASTER ON THAT IF WE REMOVE IT AND FUND IT WITH COS INSTEAD OF INCLUDING IT IN OUR BOND PROGRAM.

NEXT PROPOSITION IS PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES.

25.3 MILLION.

NO CHANGE IN THE PROPOSITIONS OR IN THE PROPOSITION ITSELF, THE TWO PROJECTS THAT WE WERE PROPOSING.

FIRE STATION? NO.

OR EXCUSE ME. FIRE STATION FIVE AND FIRE STATION SIX.

SO AGAIN, 12.65 MILLION FOR EACH STATION AND IT WOULD BE STATION SIX WOULD BE CONTINGENT ON APPROVAL OF THE SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY BEING RELOCATED.

AND SO THE ROADWAY PROPOSITION, THIS IS REALLY ONE SINGLE PROJECT.

IT'S REALLY DRIVEN BY THE 29 EXCUSE ME, 2014 BOND PROGRAM.

WE HAVE RUDEL MINGO, BUT INCLUDING THE QUIET ZONES FOR A TOTAL OF $38 MILLION.

WE'VE TRIED TO INCLUDE A GRAPH HERE SO YOU CAN SEE THE EXTENTS OF THE PROJECT, INCLUDING THE ADDITIONAL QUIET ZONES AND THEN THE REMOVALS IN YELLOW. AND I DO HAVE BECKY AND HER TEAM HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT IT IS ONE PROJECT WITHIN THIS PROPOSITION.

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AND THEN THE DRAINAGE PROPOSITION.

SO REALLY DRIVEN BY OUR STORMWATER MASTER PLAN, WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS WITHIN THIS, THIS PROPOSITION.

SO OAKLAND DRAINAGE AND UPSTREAM DETENTION FOCUSING ON THAT DOWNTOWN AREA.

AND THEN FOR PHASES THREE AND FOUR FOR A TOTAL OF $55 MILLION, WE HAVE NOT MADE ANY CHANGES FROM THIS PROPOSITION SINCE YOU SAW IT IN JANUARY.

AND THEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPOSITION.

THIS IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED AT $80 MILLION INCLUDES AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR 10 MILLION.

AND THEN THAT CITY HALL WITH PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AND STAFF DID PUT TOGETHER AN ESR THAT WENT OUT IN THE FRIDAY REPORT ON FRIDAY, GIVING YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON WHAT A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP COULD LOOK LIKE, ALSO CALLED AP3.

AND SO IT'S REALLY A IT'S UP TO US TO DECIDE HOW THAT WILL LOOK.

IT COULD BE IN THE FORM OF A MIXED USE PART OF THE BUILDING.

SOME OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE WHERE THEY WANT DEVELOPMENT IN A CERTAIN AREA, SO THEY GIVE A DEVELOPER SOME LAND TO DEVELOP NEXT TO THEIR CITY FACILITIES. THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN USE DO THAT, BUT I DID GET QUESTIONS LAST TIME ON WHY THE HECK IS A CITY HALL IN THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPOSITION. IT'S BECAUSE OF THE PRIVATE USE COMPONENT.

SO IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PRIVATE USE FOR OUR CITY HALL, IT WOULD GO INTO THE CITY FACILITY PROPOSITION.

BUT BECAUSE WE ARE PROPOSING THE P THREE COMPONENT, IT HAS TO BE IN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPOSITION.

SO IT WILL HAVE IF WE USE IF WE HAVE PRIVATE USE AS PART OF OUR CITY HALL, IT WILL WE WILL HAVE TAXABLE BONDS INSTEAD OF TAX EXEMPT BONDS.

SO THAT'S THE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHY IT'S NOT IN THE CITY FACILITY PROPOSITION.

AND AGAIN, WE CAN SEND THIS TO THE THE CITIZEN COMMITTEE TO HAVE THEM GIVE US FEEDBACK AND MAKE IT ULTIMATELY A REPORT TO COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION.

AND SO SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP LAST TIME.

BUT AGAIN, PUBLIC ART WANTED.

MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO SEND THIS TO THE SPECIAL CITIZEN BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL WHETHER OR NOT TO INCLUDE IT AS PART OF THE BOND PROGRAM. AND YOU CAN SEE IN 2012, 14 AND 19, THE DIFFERENT PROPOSITION TOTALS FOR PUBLIC ART.

AND SO JUST AN UPDATE FROM LAST TIME BECAUSE WE DID REMOVE THE NATURE CENTER AND ADD IN THE ACTIVE ADULT CENTER.

$335 MILLION IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, NOT INCLUDING PUBLIC ART.

OUR ORDINANCE STATES COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER 2 TO 4% FOR PUBLIC ART, SO I'VE INCLUDED IT AT THE MAX OF 4%.

OBVIOUSLY THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL DISCRETION, BUT WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT'S ABOUT $3.6 MILLION.

AND THEN NOT NOT MAJOR CHANGES TO THE TAX RATE PROJECTION, BUT $335 MILLION IS ABOUT $0.10 ON THE TAX RATE, ULTIMATELY INCLUDING ALL OF OUR PLANNED CO ISSUANCE THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE 23 BUDGET FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

SO EXCLUDING ALL OF THOSE CO ISSUANCE, JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS BOND PROGRAM ON OUR TAX RATE IS ABOUT SIX AND ONE HALF CENTS AT $3,335 MILLION.

OBVIOUSLY, IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO CAP THE BOND PROGRAM AT $250 MILLION, THAT WOULD BE LESS.

IT'D BE ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF CENTS.

AND I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT I MADE SOME UPDATES TO THE ASSUMPTIONS SINCE LAST TIME IN JANUARY, I HAD A FIVE YEAR ISSUANCE TIMELINE.

I'VE CHANGED IT TO SIX YEARS AND THEN ALSO INCLUDED THE SERVICE CENTER AS BEING FUNDED FROM COES INSTEAD OF INCLUDED IN THE BOND PROGRAM. SO REALLY HERE TO GET DIRECTION TODAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ESTABLISHING A BOND COMMITTEE.

SO THIS WOULD BE DIRECT APPOINTMENT OF MEMBERS, PROVIDING A CHARGE FOR THE COMMITTEE.

SO HAVE THAT COMMITTEE START HOLDING REGULAR MEETINGS TO VET ALL OF THE PROJECTS, GIVE THEIR RECOMMENDATION BACK TO COUNCIL IN JULY.

SO QUORUM WOULD BE FOR TEN MEMBERS BASED ON A 19 PERSON COMMITTEE.

BUT COUNCIL MAY CHANGE THE QUORUM REQUIREMENT, BUT THIS COMMITTEE WOULD BE DISSOLVED ON ELECTION DAY.

AND IF COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ESTABLISHING COMMITTEE, WE WOULD BRING BACK A SEPARATE RESOLUTION TO HAVE THAT ACTION ITEM FOR COUNCIL AT THE NEXT MEETING. AND SO MY PROPOSAL TODAY IS TO ESTABLISH A 19 COMMITTEE, 19 MEMBER COMMITTEE,

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SO EACH COUNCIL SEAT WOULD APPOINT TWO COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

THE FULL COUNCIL WOULD VOTE ON THE MEMBERS FOR DISTRICT FOUR, SINCE THAT SEAT IS VACANT AND THEN HAVE THE BOND OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE APPOINT FIVE MEMBERS. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH HOW THE COMMITTEE WAS MADE UP IN FOR THE 2019 BOND AND THEN HAVE THE COMMITTEE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE PROPOSED PROJECTS AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS.

COUNCIL COULD DECIDE TO GIVE THE COMMITTEE A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR A SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT THAT'S THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL AND YOUR FINAL RECOMMENDATION OR CHARGE TO THE COMMITTEE.

AND SO IF IF COUNCIL WISHES TO PROCEED, WE WOULD BRING BACK THE THE RESOLUTION TO CREATE THE COMMITTEE, GIVE THEM THE CHARGE, AND THEN START THOSE COMMITTEE MEETINGS IN APRIL, GO ALL THE WAY TILL JUNE, AND THEN HAVE THE FINAL REPORT TO COUNCIL IN JULY.

AND THEN IN AUGUST, COUNCIL WOULD BE REQUIRED TO CALL THE BOND ELECTION AND THEN OCTOBER EARLY VOTING WOULD BEGIN WITH A NOVEMBER ELECTION DAY.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST HAVE.

ONE QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR THE FOLLOW UP INFORMATION ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

BUT IS DANNY STILL HERE? CAN SOMEONE. YES, SHE IS.

COULD YOU I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AROUND THAT.

I HAVE ONE. OKAY.

UNDERSTANDING THE.

HOUSING TOOLKIT.

HIGH LEVEL, NOT DRILLING INTO IT, BUT JUST UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE ARE.

AS FAR AS CITY OF DENTON, THAT REPORT COMES OUT.

CITY OF DENTON IS MOST AFFORDABLE AMONGST SOME OF THE LARGER CITIES SURROUNDING US.

RIGHT? YOU GET NORTH AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT.

BUT MY QUESTION IS.

HOW DOES THE AFFORDABILITY GOT STAYING IN LINE WITH ALL THE LAWS? HOW DOES THE AFFORDABILITY FACTOR? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE TAKE CARE OF CITIZENS OF DENTON NOT MAKE HOUSING MORE AFFORDABLE? FOR THOSE MOVING FROM CARROLLTON-FARMERS BRANCH TO DALLAS THAT ARE LIKE, HEY, THANKS.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT GOES TO ONE JUST KIND OF THAT DENTON CULTURE ONE, BUT THEN TWO, IF I'M GOING TO PUT SOMETHING ON A BOND, I WANT IT.

FOR ME, IT HAS TO BENEFIT OUR EXISTING TAXPAYERS.

YOU KNOW BEST WE CAN.

SO I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW HOW WE WOULD IS THAT ABLE TO BE STRUCTURED THAT WAY AND NOT RUN AFOUL OF FAIR HOUSING LAWS, ETCETERA? YEAH, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO DO SOME SPECIFIC REGULATION OR SOME KIND OF RULES, BUT IT WOULD BE CERTAINLY PROGRAMMATICALLY WE'D HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT CURRENT RESIDENTS AND INCENTIVIZING THOSE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN THINGS FOR CURRENT RESIDENTS DIFFERENTLY.

SO I DON'T I DON'T SEE WHERE THERE WOULD BE A BARRIER TO AT LEAST DOING SOME MECHANISM WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THAT.

BUT OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MOVE HERE REGARDLESS, RIGHT? SO WE WON'T BE ABLE TO STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING.

AND THEN HOUSING IS A FIXED ASSET.

SO IT'S IN THE GROUND.

IT'S IT'S GOING TO BENEFIT PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE JUST GENERALLY.

OKAY. GOT IT. YEAH.

OKAY. SO I MAY GET SOME TIME WITH YOU JUST TO KIND OF FULLY DEVELOP MY THOUGHTS AROUND THAT.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH THAT 10 MILLION AND I JUST NEED TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH HOW THAT WOULD BE.

YEAH, WE CAN EXAMINE SOME OF THE MORE COMMON WAYS IN WHICH THE 10 MILLION MIGHT BE USED AND THAT MIGHT HELP GIVE PRACTICAL EXAMPLES.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, LAND ACQUISITION, YOU KNOW, PURCHASING LAND WON'T HAVE A FACTOR OF WHO MOVES HERE OR DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. YES, GOT IT. GOT IT.

OKAY. AND THEN I'M GOING TO GO OUT OF TURN HERE BECAUSE WHILE YOU'RE THERE, COUNCILMAN MCGEE HAS A QUESTION.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST QUICKLY, THIS IS ONE QUESTION THAT I THOUGHT THIS WEEKEND.

I'M SURE THAT I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO ASK IT.

SO IT'S BEEN ASKED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, I BELIEVE IT WAS COURTNEY WHO DID THE PRESENTATION.

AND IN THAT PRESENTATION WE SAW THAT COMING NEXT YEAR WE'RE GOING TO BE SHORT $4.1 MILLION AND SOME CHANGE.

CAN ANY OF THIS 10 MILLION BE USED TO COVER SOME OF THAT? AND IT'S OKAY IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.

NOW. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I WAS THINKING AS WE WERE GOING OVER THIS.

I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT MONEY WITH BOND MONEY.

GO TO SUPPLEMENT SOME OF THAT SINCE IT EXPIRES, I BELIEVE YOU SAID AT THE END OF 2024.

YEAH, THERE IS A POTENTIAL DEPENDING ON THE PROGRAMMATIC AREA.

WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH ONE.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WANTED TO EXTEND TRANSITIONAL HOUSING WHERE THE HOTEL PROGRAM, WE MIGHT LOOK AT OPTIONS TO CREATE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING AS A PART OF THE BOND.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, BUT THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF HOW IT COULD BE USED.

AND THEN HOUSING AFFORDABILITY PROGRAMS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE WOULD ENHANCE THOSE WHICH WOULD HELP, YOU KNOW, WITH THE LOSS OF SOME OF THOSE FUNDS.

SO IT'S POSSIBLE WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH PROGRAM AND LOOK AT THE RULES TO MAKE SURE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU.

AND THEN SO I'M GOOD THERE.

AND THEN I'LL JUST ONE OTHER COMMENT BEFORE WE GO TO OTHER QUESTIONS.

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ONE OF THE ONE OF THE I FAILED TO MENTION THIS IN OUR LAST DISCUSSION, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST BENEFITS GOES ALONG WITH AFFORDABILITY THAT I SEE FROM AP3 AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY HALL.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE I THINK IT NEEDS TO HAVE RETAIL ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

AND BY US PARTNERING WITH THAT RETAIL COMPONENT, WE CAN THEN CONTROL OR HELP SET PRICING SO WE CAN HAVE OUR TRUE DENTON NIGHT RETAILERS THAT MAY BE GETTING PRICED OUT OF RETAIL LOCATIONS.

WELL, NOW THE CITY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE PRIVATE DEVELOPER, HAS AN ABILITY TO SET THOSE RENT RATES AND SET CAPS AND PROVIDE SAVINGS IN OTHER WAYS. BUT WHAT IT DOES ALLOW IS FOR US TO PARTICIPATE WITH OUR RETAILERS, SELECT FEW, HOWEVER MANY PARKING SPACES WE CAN GET THERE AND HELP THEM MAINTAIN AS COSTS GO UP.

AND NORMALLY WE CAN'T TELL A PRIVATE BUSINESS OWNER WHAT TO DO AND WHAT RENTS TO CHARGE.

BUT NOW, IF ARE LOOKING FORWARD, I THINK THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO PARTICIPATE IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND PROTECT SOME OF OUR TRUE KIND OF DENTON EITHER UP AND COMING BUSINESSES OR EXISTING BUSINESSES.

AND THAT THAT THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.

AND SO I WANT TO I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT BEFORE I FORGOT.

AND THEN I JUST A SIDE NOTE, I BROUGHT MY 12 YEAR OLD UP HERE.

AND FOR THOSE WONDERING ABOUT THE CITY HALL AND ITS AGE AND ALL THOSE THINGS AND WHY I'M SO PASSIONATE ABOUT IT, IF YOU COME TO CITY HALL OR ON A BREAK, YOU STEP OUTSIDE THIS DOOR AND LOOK AT THAT SIGN THAT SAYS, SILENCE YOUR PAGERS.

I STARTED TO BRING MY PAGER, BUT I ASKED MY 12 YEAR OLD, DO YOU KNOW WHAT A PAGER IS? AND SHE SAID, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

RIGHT. AND ON OUR CITY HALL, WE HAVE SILENCE YOUR PAGER IN THE WORK SESSION ROOM AND IN CHAMBERS.

THAT SHOULD TELL YOU THAT WE'RE A LITTLE BEHIND COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL COME BACK AROUND TO THAT.

PAGE ME. I GOT.

I STILL REMEMBER SOME OF THE CODES AND STUFF.

YES, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF DIRECTION, AND THEN I MAY NEED A SECOND ROUND OF DIRECTION AFTER EVERYBODY ELSE KIND OF GIVES THEIR $0.02. THE THE ONE ROAD PROJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU TALKED ABOUT WAS DRIVEN LARGELY BY THE 2014 BOND.

AND THEN THE SLIDE SAID THAT THE KIND OF THE THE PLACEHOLDER NUMBER RIGHT NOW IS 38 MILLION.

HOW MUCH IS LEFT IN THE 2014 BOND? AND CAN YOU KIND OF TELL US BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE 38 MILLION IS THE WHOLE PROJECT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE 38 MILLION IS THE ADD ONS TO THE 2014 PROJECT.

AND COMING UP TO TODAY'S CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

SO WHAT'S LEFT IN THE 2014 BOND FOR THAT? AND IF YOU NEED ANYTHING, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A TIME SENSITIVE.

QUESTION OKAY.

YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I KNOW WE'RE WORKING REALLY HARD TO CLOSE OUT THAT 2014 BOND PROGRAM AND IT'S COMING UP THIRD QUARTER OF 2023. AND SO THE QUIET ZONES ARE REALLY ARE SOME OF THE HOLDOUTS FROM THE 2014 BOND PROGRAM.

WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING TO COMPLETE ALL OF THOSE.

AND SO YOU'RE CORRECT. WE'RE TRYING TO UPDATE THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

THE COSTS HAVE INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY AND THEN FINISH OUT THOSE QUIET ZONES, BECAUSE WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE BOND OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE A COUPLE OF TIMES NOW THAT THEY WANT THOSE QUIET ZONES COMPLETED.

YEAH, UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THEN ON THE TURN INTO CITY HALL, THE THE THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP PROPOSAL, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPOSITION, WHERE DOES THE NUMBER 70 MILLION COME FROM? COME FROM? BECAUSE LIKE A FIRE STATION WE HAVE WE BUILD FIRE STATIONS ON A PRETTY REGULAR BASIS RIGHT NOW AND DENTON.

SO WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA HOW MUCH THOSE ARE GOING TO COST THE ROAD PROJECTS AND THINGS.

WE'RE DOING ROAD PROJECTS ALL THE TIME.

WHERE DOES THE NUMBER 70 MILLION COME FROM IF THE WHOLE IDEA RIGHT NOW IS PRETTY NEBULOUS? SO I DID REACH OUT TO ONE OF OUR VENDORS, PPV, WHO'S WORKING ON THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND SUBSTATION PROJECT TO GET A COST ESTIMATE. AND SO THEY GAVE ME ABOUT 56 MILLION.

AND SO WE ROUNDED UP TO 70 TO GIVE US GIVE OURSELVES SOME CONTINGENCY, JUST NOT KNOWING THE TIMING OF THE PROJECT.

BUT THAT'S WHERE THE NUMBER CAME FROM.

WE DID GIVE THEM KIND OF AN ESTIMATED SQUARE FOOTAGE AND BEING LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET.

SO LAND THAT WE ALREADY OWN.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE NUMBER CAME FROM.

THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU TOLD US LAST TIME, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, BUT THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS IN THE BOND AND IN THE PROPOSITION ANYWAY, PROVIDE FOR FUNDING FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT.

IF WE DON'T HAVE A PRIVATE PARTNER AND THEN WHATEVER PART OF THE PRIVATE THE PRIVATE PARTNER CAN BRING TO THE PROJECT THAT KIND OF CHIPS AWAY

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AT WHAT OUR ACTUAL BOND SPEND HAS TO BE.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO WE DID TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE POSSIBLY NEEDING A PARKING GARAGE.

OBVIOUSLY, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE MAYBE ALL THE FUNDING FOR THE PARKING GARAGE, BUT THAT COULD BE A COMPONENT OF THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP IS HAVING, YOU KNOW, PARTNERING WITH THAT PRIVATE DEVELOPER TO HELP US WITH BUILDING A PARKING GARAGE, SOME SORT OF MIXED USE, SOME OTHER KIND OF COMPONENTS, BUT BE LOCATED ALL IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA. OKAY.

I'M GOING TO TURN A LITTLE BIT TO TO DIRECTION.

I'LL DO THE EASY ONE FIRST. I THINK PUBLIC ART SAYS WE SHOULD CONSIDER IT.

THE WAY WE CONSIDER IT IS GIVING IT TO THE COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT NEEDS TO LOOK AT LOOK LIKE.

I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AS FAR AS APPOINTING THE COMMITTEE.

I REALIZE THAT THIS SHORTENS THE TIMELINE, BUT WE'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE.

I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE MAY ELECTIONS.

WE HAVE A VACANT SEAT ON THE CITY COUNCIL, AND I UNDERSTAND THE PROPOSAL IS THAT THE WHOLE COUNCIL WOULD VOTE ON THOSE SEATS.

THEY WOULDN'T BE DIRECT APPOINTMENTS LIKE LIKE MY TWO OR COUNCIL MEMBER BIRDSEYE TWO OR WHATEVER.

BUT THAT MEANS YOU HAVE THE CURRENT COUNCIL THAT SOMETIMES STRUGGLES TO FIND CONSENSUS ON CONTENTIOUS ISSUES.

VOTING, I GUESS NOMINATING FROM THE FLOOR OR AT LARGE FOR TWO SPOTS AND THEN VOTING ON THOSE TWO SPOTS.

I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S MORE FAIR TO THE FOLKS OF DISTRICT FOUR THAT THEY HAVE THE CHANCE TO ELECT THEIR REPRESENTATIVE.

AND THAT REPRESENTATIVE IS THE PERSON WHO MAKES APPOINTMENTS TO THE COMMITTEE FOR THEM.

SO I THINK WE COULD DO ALL THE GOOD LEGWORK AND GET THINGS SET UP, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT TO ACTUALLY FORM AND APPOINT THE COMMITTEE UNTIL AFTER THE THE NEW COUNCIL.

COUNCIL MEMBER FOR DISTRICT FOUR IS SWORN IN.

NO OTHER QUIBBLES WITH THE STRUCTURE OF THE COMMITTEE.

I REALIZE THAT MEANS THAT THERE IF WE DO THAT, THAT THEIR WORK CAN'T START TILL MAY.

WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH ATTENDANCE HAPPENS TO EVERY BIG COMMITTEE.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A COMMITTEE OF ALMOST 20 PEOPLE OR MORE AND NOT HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT CAN'T MAKE IT ALL THE TIME.

BUT YOU DID HAVE A CORE OF DEDICATED FOLKS WHO WERE THERE THE WHOLE TIME.

AND PART OF THE REASON THEY WERE ABLE TO BE THERE THE WHOLE TIME IS BECAUSE THEY GOT IT DONE IN SHORT ORDER.

IT WAS, YES, YOU'RE GOING TO BE MEETING EVERY WEEK JUST LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL WAS AT THAT TIME, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE WORK DONE AND IT'S GOING TO BE A SHORT TIME FRAME AND THEN YOU CAN GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS, EXCEPT THOSE THAT ARE REAPPOINTED TO THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.

SO THAT'S THAT WOULD BE MY DIRECTION, IS THAT WE SET EVERYTHING UP, BUT THAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY APPOINT MEMBERS TO THAT COMMITTEE UNTIL AFTER THE MAY ELECTIONS.

CITY HALL.

I DO NOT THINK THAT A CITY HALL PROJECT, LEAVING ASIDE THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, THAT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT QUESTION.

I DO NOT THINK A CITY HALL NEW CITY HALL PROJECT IS RIPE FOR RIGHT NOW THIS BOND ELECTION.

IT COULD BE IF WE TOOK SOME TIME TO DO SOME REALLY STRATEGIC PLANNING AS POLICY MAKERS.

WHAT WE WANT CITY HALL TO LOOK LIKE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SENDING TO THE BOND COMMITTEE AND THUS TO THE VOTERS IN THE LARGEST BOND PACKAGE WE HAVE EVER DONE, THAT IF WE DO THE WHOLE THING AS PROPOSED, WE'LL ADD $0.10 TO THE TAX RATE ON ITS OWN WITH NO OTHER POLICY DIRECTION FROM US.

IF THOSE BONDS ISSUES ISSUE, THAT'S TEN MORE CENTS TO THE TAX RATE OVER TIME, INCLUDING IN THAT A BLANK CHECK TO SAY WE DON'T WORRY, WE'VE GOT THE BOND FUNDING TO PAY FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT, EVEN IF WE DON'T SECURE A PRIVATE PARTNER FOR A CITY HALL, THAT WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR VISION AMONGST THE SIX OF US, MUCH LESS THE SEVEN EVENTUAL SEVEN OF US OF WHAT THAT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.

I WAS PRETTY OUTSPOKEN THE LAST TIME ABOUT MY FEELINGS ABOUT A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

BUT I THINK THAT WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT NOW GOES BEYOND THAT.

THERE IS NOT A PLAN FOR A NEW CITY HALL.

IT DOES NOT EXIST.

WE HAVE IDEAS, WE HAVE SOME THOUGHTS.

BUT THEN TO GO TO THE VOTERS AND ASK THEM TO GIVE US $70 MILLION TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO NEXT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO FLY.

YOU ALL GOT SOME OF THE SAME EMAILS I DID.

I PROBABLY HAD SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS IN ADDITION TO THE ONES THAT YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF.

I THINK THE VOTERS RIGHT NOW UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR SPACE.

THEY UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR RENOVATION, TELLING THEM WE CAN SPEND THIS MANY DOLLARS PER SQUARE FOOT.

AND THAT'S THE SPIN THE CITY NEEDS TO MAKE TO PROVIDE FOR ALL THE FACILITIES THAT WE NEED.

THAT IS ONE THING.

BUT TO SAY WE ABSOLUTELY NEED A NEW CITY HALL AND WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO GIVE US $70 MILLION TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN IN WHATEVER FORM WE CHOOSE TO GOING FORWARD WITH NO FURTHER INPUT FROM YOU.

THAT'S NOT EXACTLY FAIR.

OF COURSE THERE WOULD BE PUBLIC INPUT, BUT TO RIGHT OURSELVES THAT BLANK CHECK, I DON'T THINK THE VOTERS ARE GOING TO GO FOR IT.

I REALLY DON'T. AND ON TOP OF THAT, TO COUPLE IT WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I THINK THAT SPELLS DEFEAT FOR BOTH FOR THAT ENTIRE PROPOSITION.

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WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT A BOND PROPOSITION THAT HAS ONE ROAD PROJECT IN IT WHEN THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT PEOPLE WANT US TO SPEND MONEY ON RIGHT NOW IS ROADS.

AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AND WE CAN EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT STAFF MADE CLEAR FOR US LAST TIME THAT THERE WILL BE FURTHER ROAD PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE.

THIS TIME, THIS IS THE TIME TO FOCUS ON FACILITIES.

I CAN ABSOLUTELY RATIONALIZE THAT TO MYSELF AND I THINK MY CONSTITUENTS ARE GOING TO UNDERSTAND THAT FACILITIES NEED A GOOD HARD LOOK.

IT IS ONE THING FOR US TO ASK THEM TO BUILD US NEW FIRE STATIONS.

THEY DO NOT PUT A NEW CITY HALL ANYWHERE NEAR THE SAME LEVEL, AND ESPECIALLY NOT A PUBLIC PRIVATE CITY HALL ANYWHERE NEAR THE SAME LEVEL AS A NEW FIRE STATION, OR EVEN, I'LL BE FRANK, EVEN AN INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND.

THEY'RE JUST NOT THERE WITH US.

IF WE HAVE THAT VISION AND WE HAVE THAT DREAM, WE NEED TO SOLID IT UP.

WE NEED TO FIRM IT UP BEFORE WE GO ASK THEM FOR, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT FAR OFF FROM IT'S LIKE ABOUT A FIFTH, MAYBE EVEN A FULL QUARTER OF THE WHOLE BOND PACKAGE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND THEN THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THIS.

I THINK WE DO NEED TO GIVE THE COMMITTEE A CAP.

I THINK WE NEED TO CAP I'M NOT GOING TO SAY A NUMBER BECAUSE IF I SAY A NUMBER, THIS IS TOO MUCH.

WE ARE BUILDING INTO OUR TAX RATE AN ADDITIONAL $0.10 IN A CITY WHERE WE KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PRESSURE ON HOMEOWNERS, A LOT OF TAX PRESSURE ON HOMEOWNERS, NOT JUST FROM US AS A TAXING ENTITY, BUT FROM ALL OF THEM.

WE KNOW THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL NEEDS IN THE GENERAL FUND IN FUTURE YEARS.

WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE FIRE TRUCKS.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE FIREFIGHTERS.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE SANITATION WORKERS.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE EVERYTHING.

AND TO GIVE OURSELVES AN AUTOMATIC TEN CENT HIKE OVER THE NEXT LITTLE WHILE.

I THINK THAT THAT'S SETTING US UP FOR A A BIG HARD FOR THE VOTERS, HARD FOR THE CITIZENS, HARD FOR THE TAXPAYERS TO SWALLOW HIKE LATER ON. I THINK IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR US TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE TAX RATE ON THE O&M SIDE LATER ON.

IF THAT DEBT SERVICE SIDE IS GOING TO BE THAT HIGH, THAT'S MY THAT'S MY $0.10.

AND THEN I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TO SAY ANYONE ELSE.

ANYONE. COUNCILMAN. BYRD.

I AM GOING TO PROPOSE THAT WE GO WITH THE BOND ELECTION TIMELINE.

IT'S TIME FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS BIG PROJECT HERE.

I THINK THAT WHEN WE SET THINGS BACK YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, IT'S CALLED KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

AND AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PICK IT UP AND DO SOMETHING WITH IT.

AND I THINK THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE ALLOWED OUR CITY TO GROW BEYOND THE WALLS OF CITY HALL, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO KEEP UP WITH THAT GROWTH.

WE HAVE MORE THINGS. WE HAVE MORE THINGS TO DO AND MORE PEOPLE TO HIRE AND, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE CARE OF US.

SO I DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN THE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE, ESPECIALLY THE MINGO ROAD.

THAT'S MY YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY BABY RIGHT THERE.

THAT THAT TRAIN AT 230 IN THE MORNING, 330 IN THE MORNING, 430 IN THE MORNING, 530 IN THE MORNING, 630 IN THE MORNING.

THAT GETS A LITTLE IT GETS YOU CAN HEAR IT SOMETIMES.

SO. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE SOKOYA IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE LISTENING, YOU KNOW, EMAIL ME, TEXT ME AND TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE THINKING SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND BRING THAT TO LIGHT HERE ON THE COUNCIL, MY SEQUOYAH FRIENDS, MY COLLEGE FRIENDS THAT LIVE OVER OFF OF MINGO AS WELL, THEY WOULD WANT THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT IN THIS BOND PACKAGE AND I THINK IT'S VERY DESERVING.

MY RUDDELL FRIENDS ARE LOOKING FOR FOR US TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT ABOUT THEIR ROADS AS WELL.

SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD ON AND LET'S GO WITH THIS TENTATIVE BOND ELECTION.

I WOULD JUST PREPARE OUR OUR CONSTITUENTS THAT HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN BEING ON THIS COMMITTEE.

YOU KNOW, IF THERE EXPRESSED INTEREST, THEN THEY WILL GIVE THEIR VERY BEST ON TAKING US TO WHERE WE NEED TO GO.

BUT MY QUESTION IS, IS WHAT WOULD THE PRIVATE PART OF THE PARTNERSHIP GAIN FROM THIS PARTNERSHIP IN PUTTING THE CITY HALL TOGETHER? WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE GAIN FOR THE PRIVATE PART? SO IT COULD BE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS, BUT I'M GOING TO PASS THAT TO WAYNE AND LET HIM ANSWER.

I TOLD HIM I WOULD GIVE HIM ALL THE HARD QUESTIONS.

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ALL RIGHT, WAYNE EMMERSON, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

SO IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

AND REALLY THE DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP IS THE WAY THAT IT CAN BE STRUCTURED OR DELIVERED.

THE OPTIONS ARE ALMOST INFINITE IN THE WAY THAT THAT COULD GO.

BUT YOU'RE CORRECT, IN ORDER FOR THIS TO WORK, THE WAY THAT A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WORKS IS THAT WE'RE REMOVING SOME OF THE RISK FROM THE CITY AND WE'RE REDUCING THE COST, RIGHT? AND SO THERE'S A COST AND THERE'S A BENEFIT.

AND SO FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO TAKE ON THAT RISK AND TO TAKE ON SOME OF THAT COST, THERE MUST BE SOME BENEFIT.

SO THE WAY THESE HAVE TO WORK IS THERE'S GOING TO BE A FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE IF THE PROJECT IS EVEN RIGHT FOR P THREE.

SOME GOOD EXAMPLES IS CITY OWNED LAND.

IF THE CITY HAS SOME LAND AND THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE THAT AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR CAN CREATE AN IMPROVEMENT AND THEN CAPTURE REVENUE OFF OF THAT IMPROVEMENT, THAT THAT'S A BENEFIT TOWARDS THEM.

DOES IT ALWAYS HAVE TO CAPTURE REVENUE? IT DOES NOT ALWAYS.

SO AN ADDITIONAL BENEFIT TO THEM IS THAT IF WE'RE PUTTING IN, I'LL JUST SAY A NUMBER, $70 MILLION OF CONSTRUCTION COSTS INTO THE CITY HALL WHEN THEY GO OUT AND THEY DO THEIR PROCUREMENT WITH FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE ECONOMIES OF SCALE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S A COST BENEFIT TO THEM THAT COULD INCREASE THEIR REVENUES ON ON WHATEVER THAT IS THERE.

THERE'S THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE LAND, THERE DOES NEED TO BE SOME FORM OF REVENUE GENERATED FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR FOR IT TO MAKE SENSE.

COULD BE OFF OPERATIONS AND IT COULD BE AS LITTLE AS OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITY.

THERE'S REALLY ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF WAYS WE COULD DO IT, BUT THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE FOR US TO ENGAGE THE STATE AND THAT CENTER FOR ALTERNATIVE PROCUREMENT AND KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT FEASIBILITY AND THAT ANALYSIS TO REALLY DETERMINE WHAT THE PROJECT IS AND WHAT THOSE BENEFITS COULD BE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS SOME BENEFIT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT TO BE A BENEFIT.

SO AND OF COURSE, PUBLIC PEOPLE, PUBLIC SPACES AS WELL.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, JUST IN REGARDS TO THE PERCENTAGE AMOUNTS TO DO THIS FOR THE PROJECT, I'M LOOKING AT THE ESTIMATED COST AND, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN ABOUT OUR PROPERTY TAXES, YOU KNOW, BEING HIGH AND WHETHER OR NOT THE COMMUNITY WOULD SUPPORT AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT.

WELL, I JUST HEARD THE OTHER DAY ON THE NEWS THAT GOVERNOR ABBOTT IS PROPOSING THAT WE CUT PROPERTY TAXES NOW.

SO AFTER WE'VE BEEN GOUGED, YOU KNOW, FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS ON PROPERTY TAXES, NOW IT'S TIME FOR US TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CUTS, BECAUSE THE MONEY IS ALREADY THERE, THE FUNDING IS IN THE IN THE ATMOSPHERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS TIME.

I MEAN, SO IF HE IF THAT CREW DOWN THERE IN AUSTIN DETERMINES THAT WE CAN GET SOME PROPERTY TAXES CUT HERE, THEN THAT'S GOING TO RELEASE SOME FUNDING FOR, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE CITIZENS TO DO WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH THEIR LITTLE EXTRA $20 THAT THEY SAVE ON THE ON THE YEAR OF $50 OR $500 OR I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH.

BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS WE NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY RIGHT HERE WHILE IT'S IN FRONT OF US.

THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM AND THEN COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMAN.

WHAT'S. SO.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M WE PULLED THE WE PULLED THE SERVICE CENTER OUT.

AND DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT LEVEL OF COS WHAT THAT'S GOING TO HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE BUDGET AND THE RATES AND STUFF IN GENERAL BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE RATE.

SO YOU KNOW DO WE HAVE IS THAT WAS I JUST MISS IT.

SO PREVIOUSLY THE PLAN CO ISSUANCE WAS ABOUT $80 MILLION.

I HAVE IT AT 111 MILLION NOW WITH THE SERVICE CENTER.

SO BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S PRETTY MINIMAL ON THE THE BOTTOM LINE BECAUSE I THINK I HAD ABOUT 11 CENT INCREASE LAST TIME.

I'M TRYING TO RECALL FROM MEMORY, BUT SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CENT.

OKAY. SO BECAUSE IT'S 20 YEAR BOND, SO IT'S SPREAD OVER 20 YEARS, SO IT'S GOING TO BE 1111 INSTEAD OF TEN.

I MEAN IF YOU INCLUDE THE SERVICE CENTER, COS I'M JUST KEEPING MY MIND ON THE TOTAL RATE THAT WE CAN EXPECT TO BE LOOKING AT THIS FALL.

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OKAY. AND I'LL DO THE EASY ONES FIRST.

PUBLIC SAFETY FIRE.

WE NEED, WE NEED NEW FIRE STATIONS.

THAT'S EASY. WE'RE GROWING.

WE GOT TO PROTECT PEOPLE. THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

AND THE PUBLIC ART IS HONESTLY JUST PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AS WELL.

IT'S JUST A PERCENTAGE THAT WE ADD ON TO SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN UGLY CITY.

SO I GUESS I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN THE NATURE CENTER.

IT'S LIKE EVERY OTHER BUILDING THAT WE HAVE ON ON THE IN THE CITY WHERE IT WAS WE PUT IT IN 30 YEARS AGO.

AND YET HERE WE ARE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO YOU KNOW, I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE SCOPE AND LIMITATIONS THAT WE PUT ON THE THE THE BOND COMMITTEE.

AND ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE THE ABILITY AND I GUESS THAT'S UP TO US.

BUT TO TO ADD AND SUBTRACT, SUBTRACT IS EASY.

THAT'S JUST DOING BUDGET BUDGET HEARING.

BUT ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD OR IS THAT OUTSIDE THEIR SCOPE? IT'S ULTIMATELY HOWEVER, WHATEVER THE CHARGE IS OF THE COMMITTEE THAT YOU GIVE THEM.

SO IF WE CHOOSE TO, WE COULD GIVE THEM THAT FLEXIBILITY.

YES. OKAY.

AND THEN QUESTION ON THE ROADWAYS, HOW MUCH IS YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT BUDGETS.

DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE ON HOW MUCH OF NOT DOING THE TWO FOR ONE COUNCIL FOR FOR PERTAIN AND AND TEXAS BUT AND NOT PUNCHING THROUGH RYDELL? I MEAN, IS THAT IS THAT CHEAPER? I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ADDING AN EXTRA POINT FOR THAT PROJECT THAT COSTS MONEY TO DO THAT EXTRA POINT.

YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, IS THAT A WAY TO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD SAVE OR NOT SAVE IN TERMS OF NOT PUNCHING THROUGH DEL AND PASSING THAT AS AN OPTION THROUGH TO THE TO THE BOND COMMITTEE THAT, OKAY, YOU CAN STILL HAVE THOSE ZONES IN THAT AREA, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THE OPTION OF SAYING, NO, DON'T, DON'T DO RUDEL DON'T PUNCH IT THROUGH. LEAVE IT ALONE.

I MEAN, THAT MAY NOT MAKE ANY SENSE IF IT DOESN'T SAVE MONEY.

BUT CAN ANYONE ASSESS THE DIFFERENCE IN LEAVING IT VERSUS.

I THINK THAT WAS A REQUIREMENT OF THE RAILROAD.

BUT I'M GOING TO LET SETH COME UP AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. COUNCIL SETH GARCIA, PROGRAM MANAGER WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS.

SO REALLY THE BENEFIT IS WE WE ELIMINATE TWO UNSAFE CROSSINGS AND WE ADD A SAFE CROSSING.

SO RUDEL WOULD BE A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION THAT WE COULD GET RAILROAD PREEMPTION.

SO IT WOULD BE SIGNALIZED WITH THE LIGHTS AND GATES, IT WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE PERTAIN AND THE OTHER ONE WHICH ARE TWO UNSAFE, WHICH THE RAILROAD DOES WANT, THEY'VE HAD MORE NEAR AT THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS THAN REALLY ANY OF THE OTHERS.

SO BY WIDENING THE ROADWAY, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE THIS ALL IN ONE FELL SWOOP AND DO ONE AGREEMENT WITH THE RAILROAD INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DO ULTIMATELY THREE AGREEMENTS WITH THE RAILROAD, WHICH WOULD BE THE SIGNAL PREEMPTION, THE QUIET ZONE, AND THEN EXPANDING FOR THE ROADWAY.

OKAY. I HEAR THAT.

AND I THINK THAT KIND OF RATIONALE CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE BACK AND FORTH THAT THE BOND COMMITTEE EVENTUALLY HEARS, BECAUSE THAT'S A COST BENEFIT DESCRIPTION.

I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THOSE COSTS AND BENEFITS? AND I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THAT'S SORT OF THE INFORMATION THAT I THINK THE BOND COMMITTEE SHOULD HEAR AS THEY'RE TRYING TO DECIDE THE SCOPE OF THAT THAT PROJECT.

SO AND WHETHER THAT'S I MEAN, IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE COMING DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, MILLIONS TO DO THAT, THEN THEN MILLIONS IS NOW SOMETHING ELSE.

RIGHT? SO AND I'M COMPLETELY ACKNOWLEDGED AND I'M HAND-WAVING HERE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COSTS TO SAVE VERSUS NOT SAVE THOSE THREE THERE. SO AT LEAST THAT LET'S PUT THAT TO THE BOND COMMITTEE THEMSELVES.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT.

THEN I I'M I'M SAVING THE HARDEST ONES FOR SORT OF THE END ONES THAT SORT OF MIDDLE GRADE THE COMPOSITION.

I THINK IF THE PROPOSAL ON THE COMPOSITION IS FINE, THE 19 IS FINE.

THAT'S WHAT WE DID BEFORE THE I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED OF THE APRIL, MAY, JUNE TIMEFRAME BECAUSE THAT'S ONE MEETING PER MONTH AS IN THE PROPOSITION THAT'S THREE MEETINGS.

LET'S DO THE MATH. THERE'S 20 ITEMS IN THIS WITH SIX PROPOSITIONS.

MY STUDENTS CAN KEEP THEIR THEIR HEADS AROUND A TOPIC FOR MORE THAN TWO HOURS.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT 20 INTO TWO HOURS, THAT'S TEN MEETINGS.

AND I KNOW THE BOND COMMITTEE, MAYBE THEY'RE YOU KNOW, THEY ARE THE SUPERHUMAN PEOPLE.

WE WILL SELECT THEM TO BE.

AND WILLING TO DIVE INTO THIS FOR FOUR HOURS OR SOMETHING.

BUT BY THAT FOURTH HOUR, THEIR BRAINS ARE LEAKING OUT THEIR EARS.

SO YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT NO LESS THAN SORT OF 5 OR 6 MEETINGS, NOT THREE MEETINGS.

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SO I DON'T SEE HOW THEY CAN REVIEW THIS MATERIAL.

YOU REALLY DO NEED SORT OF AN ORDER OF TEN MEETINGS.

SO YOU SORT OF NEED WEEKLY, WHETHER THAT WEEKLY STARTS IN APRIL, MAY OR JUNE.

BUT AND I KNOW THAT'S HARD ON STAFF, BUT IT'S $335 MILLION.

I'M SORRY, STAFF, I'M GOING TO BE HARD ON YOU FOR $335 MILLION.

THAT'S JUST THE THING I'M GOING TO DO, BECAUSE THAT WE NEED TO DEEP DIVE THAT IN WAYS THAT WE DON'T.

ALWAYS DEEP DIVE. IT'S MORE LIKE DXY WHERE YES, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS TO GET INTO THE WEEDS.

SO I REALLY CAN'T I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE PUSH THREE MEETINGS IN TERMS OF THE MEETING SCHEDULE THAT THAT'S GOT TO BE MORE LIKE TEN MEETINGS.

AND I CAN SEE SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAY AND JUNE BEING EIGHT AND THEN HAVING AN ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING IN APRIL OR SOMETHING.

AND I, YOU KNOW, I'D BE FLEXIBLE ON THAT.

BUT WE NEED WE NEED WAY MORE THAN THREE MEETINGS.

THAT'S HONESTLY, IT'S.

I MEAN, HONESTLY, IT'S ALMOST A DEAL BREAKER FOR ME TOO.

JUST FROM THAT MEETING SCHEDULE ALONE, THAT'S TOO LITTLE.

I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM, I THINK THE GOOD NEWS HERE IS AS WE AS COUNCIL NARROWS DOWN WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND YOU AGREE ON WHETHER YOU WAIT TILL MAY OR WHATEVER, I THINK WE WOULD CERTAINLY WORK WITH THE PLEASURE OF THOSE PEOPLE YOU APPOINTED TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE FULLY ENGAGED AND WHATEVER WHATEVER MEETINGS NEEDED TO TAKE PLACE, WHETHER IT BI WEEKLY FOR HOURS, ONCE A WEEK, WHATEVER IT IS TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE TRULY THOROUGHLY UNDERSTANDING IT.

IT WAS TRANSPARENT PROCESS THAT THEY WERE FEELING GOOD ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO RECOMMEND.

WHATEVER IT IS, WE WILL DO IT.

OKAY. I FEEL BETTER ABOUT THAT.

BUT THE THREE IS JUST VERY DISCONCERTING.

NOW ON TO SOME OF THE HARDER ONES.

LIKE COUNCILOR DAVIS.

I THOUGHT I WAS PARTICULARLY CLEAR THAT I WASN'T SANGUINE ABOUT THE P THREE.

I MEAN, YOU COULD CONVINCE ME.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT A HECK NO, BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME DAYLIGHT BETWEEN GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS AND AND PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS FOR THE SEAT OF GOVERNMENT, FOR OTHER THINGS, WASTEWATER TREATMENT AND SCHOOLS AND ROADWAYS AND PARKING GARAGES AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS.

REC CENTERS. YEAH, WE CAN FIGURE OUT AP3, BUT FOR THE SEAT OF GOVERNMENT ITSELF, I'M NOT I'M NOT ON BOARD WITH THE PARTNERSHIP AND THE ADVANTAGE OF OF DOING SOMETHING ELSE SAY TO RENOVATE THIS BUILDING IN C TWO IS WE HAVE LET ME ORIENT MYSELF.

WE HAVE THAT BUILDING, THIS BUILDING AND WE HAVE THE COURTS, ALL OF WHICH SO CITY HALL, CITY HALL, WEST CITY HALL, EAST, ALL OF WHICH NEED TO BE RENOVATED.

AND WE HAVE SPACE IN AT LEAST ONE OF THEM COMPLETELY UNUSED.

NOW, I KNOW THE COMMUNITY WAS VERY INTERESTED IN THAT BEING ART SPACE, BUT IF WE'RE PHASING THESE THINGS IN, WE CAN PHASE SORT OF A GAME OF MUSICAL CHAIRS WHERE PARTS OF THE DEPARTMENTS MOVE FROM HERE AND THERE IN A PHASED WAY OVER THE TIME PERIOD OF THE BONDS SUCH THAT WE END UP ABLE TO RENOVATE IN A COHERENT WAY THAT IS HISTORICALLY PRESERVING OF ALL THREE OF THESE LOCATIONS AND AND DOESN'T HIT US WITH A $70 MILLION.

I REALLY TAKE COUNCILOR DAVIS'S POINT THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

I'M HAND-WAVING RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT ARE WE RENOVATING HERE IN THIS BUILDING? WHAT ARE WE RENOVATING IN THAT BUILDING? WHAT ARE WE ABOUT? THE ONLY CONCRETE ONE IS THAT THE COURTS ARE REALLY SORT OF BEAT UP.

AND I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE MOST CONCRETE, PUN INTENDED THING THAT I CAN POINT TO FOR A CAPITAL PROJECT WITH THIS REGARD.

SO I'M I'M NOT COMFORTABLE.

AND THE OTHER THING I'M NOT REALLY COMFORTABLE IS I UNDERSTAND THAT WITH THE PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, YOU CAN ADDRESS IT AS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT.

BUT I REALLY DO THINK THOSE ARE WILDLY DISPARATE ITEMS TO PUT TOGETHER IN THE SAME BOND PROPOSITION.

SO I AM REALLY NOT ON BOARD WITH LINKING THEM OR THE P THREE.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'LL LEAVE MY DIRECTION FOR THE MOMENT.

ALL RIGHT. AND SO WE HAVE 15 MINUTES, SO I'M GOING TO ASK US TO DIRECTION QUESTIONS.

CERTAINLY SOLILOQUIES.

MAYBE WE, WE PUT THOSE IN THE BACK POCKET UNTIL WE CAN GET THROUGH AND YOU CAN CORNER STAFF AND GIVE THEM YOUR THOUGHTS.

BUT TO TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE TIME.

NEXT. I HAD COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I APPRECIATE THAT. I'LL TRY TO BE QUICK WITH MY QUESTIONS.

I'M LOOKING AT THE PROPOSAL FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

COULD WE SEPARATE OUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP? YES, YOU COULD HAVE A SEPARATE PROPOSITION SPECIFIC FOR CITY HALL.

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IF YOU DID THAT, YOU WOULD WE COULD DO IT ONE OF TWO WAYS.

WE COULD EITHER NOT HAVE THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AND COMBINE A NEW CITY HALL WITH CITY HALL WEST THAT COULD GO INTO ONE PROPOSITION FOR CITY HALL. OR WE COULD KEEP THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP COMPONENT OF A NEW CITY HALL AND HAVE A SEVENTH PROPOSITION.

STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT MANY PROPOSITIONS, BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO COUNCIL AND ULTIMATELY YOU COULD SEND THAT TO THE COMMITTEE AND HAVE THAT BE PART OF THEIR CHARGE IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

I MR. MAYOR, WHEN YOU GO AROUND FOR MORE DIRECTION, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES THINK ABOUT ABOUT SEPARATING THAT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I SEPARATE JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT.

WE GET WHAT WE NEED AND WE'RE NOT COUPLING THINGS TOGETHER THAT PERHAPS THE VOTERS WILL REJECT.

I APPRECIATE THE WORDS, MR. DAVIS SAID. I TAKE I TAKE YOUR POINT ON THAT.

I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, MADAM CITY MANAGER, BUT BASED OFF OF THE TIMELINE THAT MR. DAVIS BROUGHT UP, IF WE WERE TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEW COUNCIL IS SET, HOW MUCH OF A TAX WOULD IT BE ON STAFF TO STAND UP A COMMITTEE SO FAST? WELL, I MEAN.

IF WE WAITED UNTIL A NEW PERSON WAS SET BEFORE WE NOMINATED, IT WOULD BE TOUGH.

BUT WE WOULD. I MEAN, I THINK THE KEY HERE IS AND THE MAYOR PRO TEM MENTIONED IT, I MEAN, WE, AS MUCH AS ANYONE ELSE, WANT IT TO BE A TRANSPARENT PROCESS AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHOEVER'S ON THIS COMMITTEE AND I'M ASSUMING SOME WILL BE PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE ALREADY HAD THAT HAVE ARE EXPERIENCED IN THIS, BUT THEY HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO LOOK AT IT TO GO AND NOT THEY MAY WANT TOURS OF SOME OF FACES TO TO SEE WE'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES.

OKAY. WE KNOW THIS IS IMPORTANT TO US.

MANY OF THESE THINGS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THEM ON HERE IF WE DIDN'T THINK THEY WERE PRIORITIES TO TO BE COMPLETED.

SO THEY PROBABLY WANT TO GO SEE FIRE STATION FIVE AND SIX.

THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO WANT TO SEE THE SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY AND SEE WHY IT'S SO SMALL AND ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

THEY PROBABLY WANT TO SEE THE SENIOR CENTER OVER HERE IN THE PARK AND WHY IT IS CERTAINLY NOT BIG ENOUGH TO HOLD THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING THERE.

SO WE WILL TAKE WHATEVER TIME IT TAKES AND WE WILL PUT IT, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO BE AT A MEETING EVERY WEEK FOR FOUR HOURS, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND AGAIN, MR. DAVIS, I APPRECIATE I APPRECIATE THAT.

THE ONLY REASON THAT I DON'T SUPPORT WAITING IS ONLY BECAUSE DOING VISITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, ASKING FOLKS TO VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME FOUR HOURS A WEEK, THAT'S TAXING.

WE KNOW HOW TAXING SERVING ON COUNCIL CAN BE FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE JOBS.

I'M LEERY OF PUTTING THAT KIND OF PRESSURE ON THE COMMITTEE.

I THINK. I HOPE THIS COUNCIL CAN CAN GO AHEAD AND COME TO SOME CONSENSUS ON ON OUR TWO WHO WOULD BE REPRESENTING DISTRICT FOUR.

AND MISTER MAYOR, IF I MIGHT, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

EITHER EITHER FOR STAFF OR SOMEONE LIKE COUNCILOR WATTS, WHO'S DONE THIS PROCESS BEFORE.

SO EACH OF US GETS TO A POINT TWO PEOPLE.

SO I REPRESENT THE ENTIRE CITY.

SO WOULD MY APPOINTEES BE ABLE TO COME FROM ANYWHERE OR BECAUSE I LIVE IN DISTRICT ONE AND I REPRESENT FIVE, WOULD I HAVE TO CHOOSE SOMEONE FROM DISTRICT ONE OR DISTRICT TWO? DO WE KNOW HOW THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST? IF MR. WATTS WANTS TO ANSWER THAT SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? SO SINCE YOU REPRESENT SIX, WOULD YOU DO THREE AND FOUR OR ANYONE? COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE I THINK IN THE PAST AND THIS QUESTION HAS COME UP IN THE PAST, OKAY, I CAN'T RECALL, BUT IT'S DOCUMENTED SO STAFF CAN FIGURE OUT THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IF THEY NEED TO. THAT I THINK AT ONE POINT THE QUESTION CAME UP.

IF YOU'RE FROM A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT, DO YOU APPOINT PEOPLE FROM THAT DISTRICT ON THIS COMMITTEE? AND THEN THE AT LARGE CAN CHOOSE FROM ANYWHERE IN THE CITY? AND PART OF THE RATIONALE FOR THAT WAS AT LEAST AND WHETHER IT WAS APPROVED OR NOT, BUT I JUST REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION WAS THAT YOU WANTED TO ENSURE THAT YOU HAD REPRESENTATION FROM AS MANY PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY AS DEFINED GEOGRAPHICALLY WITHIN THE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS AS YOU CAN.

AND THAT JUST SEEMED TO BE WHAT WAS EQUITABLE.

BUT I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY HOW THAT ALL LANDED.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S DOCUMENTED.

AND I THINK PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBER DUFF BROUGHT THAT UP OR SOME OTHER PEOPLE BROUGHT THAT UP ABOUT APPOINTING PEOPLE WHO WERE FROM THEIR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, IF THEY WERE A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE.

SO FOR US, WE'RE GOOD ANYWHERE.

THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S WHAT I RECALL.

MAYBE YOU ALL COULD LOOK AT THAT AND PUT THAT IN THE FRIDAY REPORT OR JUST TO JUST TO LET US KNOW I'M FIRST TIME.

SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON WHO MY POOL OF POTENTIAL APPOINTEES WOULD BE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

AND LAST QUESTION, THE THE REMAINING FIVE THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD CHOOSE, WHAT ARE THE BUMPER THE BUMPER RAILS ON THEM COULD ANYONE THROUGHOUT THE CITY OR WOULD THEY CHOOSE SOMEONE FROM EACH DISTRICT? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER NOW.

JUST I'D LOVE FOR THAT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE IN 2019.

THEY COULD CHOOSE ANYONE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THEY WEREN'T THEY WEREN'T RESTRICTED TO COUNCIL DISTRICTS.

IF IF I RECALL LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE OR THE RESOLUTION.

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BUT YOU COULD I MEAN, COUNCIL COULD MAKE THAT DISTINCTION ON THE BOND OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, VERY MUCH. AND JUST ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP ON THE PROPOSITION QUESTION.

IF WE DID SEPARATE OUT CITY HALL, ULTIMATELY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DOES HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON WHATEVER PROPOSITIONS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING.

SO IT'S NOT MY RECOMMENDATION OR THE BOND.

THE THE CITIZEN COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION.

ULTIMATELY, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WILL SAY WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN HAVE THE THE PROJECTS WITHIN THE PROPOSITIONS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

I GUESS BRIEFLY THEN FROM MY DIRECTION, I'M FINE SENDING THIS OFF TO THE COMMITTEE.

I REALLY LIKE WHAT YOU SAID.

I BELIEVE IT WAS THE SECOND.

THE SECOND THING YOU SAID TO MY QUESTION, IF WE PERHAPS SEPARATED THE 10 MILLION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEN ROLLED THE CITY HALL PACKAGES UP TOGETHER, BUT I'M I'M WILLING TO TAKE A CONSENSUS ROUTE WITH WHAT MY COLLEAGUES SAY SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER WATTS.

THANK YOU. REAL QUICK, 6% ASSUMPTION ON INCREASE.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE USING IN OUR FIVE YEAR FORECAST FOR I MEAN, COMING UP IN THE BUDGET PRESENTATIONS? WHAT ASSUMPTIONS ARE WE USING FOR ASSESSED VALUE INCREASE? YES, RIGHT NOW WE'RE TAKING A VERY CONSERVATIVE LOOK.

BUT, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY IT'S COME IN MUCH HIGHER THAN 6%.

BUT I AM BEING CONSERVATIVE IN MY PROJECTIONS RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. SO AGAIN, WHAT HAVE WE USED HISTORICALLY? I THOUGHT IT'S BEEN LIKE 4%.

I'M TALKING ABOUT IN THE BUDGET FORECAST, LIKE HISTORICALLY, IT'S BEEN ANYWHERE FROM 3 TO 6%.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH, WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT ALSO, WE KNOW THAT THINGS HAVE SLOWED DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT.

YES. INTEREST RATES HAVE INCREASED DOUBLE IN THE LAST YEAR.

SO, YEAH, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WANTED TO KEEP MY EYE ON THAT.

I'M OKAY WITH THE PROJECTS AS SUBMITTED.

I'M DISAPPOINTED LIKE MAYOR PRO TEM THAT THE NATURE CENTER WAS REMOVED BECAUSE WE HAVE A PRETTY BIG ASSET OUT THERE AND IT'S A REALLY COOL ASSET IF PEOPLE HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE.

I MEAN, ONE OF THE BEST FISHING SPOTS FOR SAND BASS WHEN THEY'RE RUNNING UP THE RIVER IS OUT THERE AT THE FORK.

AND SO IT'S A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO GET OUT AND ENJOY THAT.

SO I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN THAT, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE GOT TO PUT SOME KIND OF REASONABLE PRICE ON THIS BOND PACKAGE. I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR PRO MS QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IS THE SERVICE CENTER BEING USED? I MEAN, WHAT'S IT GOING TO INCREASE TO COS AND IT WAS A CENT WHICH DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT, BUT AND AS FAR AS THE GOVERNOR SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION, WELL FIRST OF ALL, THAT'S THAT APPLIES TO SCHOOL TAXES.

THEY CAN'T. YEAH, THEY CAN'T REALLY.

SO I GUESS I'M A LITTLE LEERY TO SAY IF WE'RE GOING TO SAVE PEOPLE PROPERTY MONEY HERE, THAT WE SORT OF THEN TAKE IT THOSE SAVINGS FROM SOME OTHER TAXING ENTITY.

SO BUT I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PULL THAT OFF.

SO MY MY TWO BIG ISSUES, NOT BIG ISSUES, BUT MY CONCERNS OR OBSERVATIONS ARE THE TIMING OF THE CREATION OF THE BOND COMMITTEE.

I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE ALL WITH A VACANT SEAT HERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PICK SOMEBODY BECAUSE IF WE GO WITH THE ROUTE OF IT'S GOT TO BE SOMEBODY FROM THE DISTRICT, THAT MEANS WE'RE PICKING SOMEBODY FROM THE DISTRICT AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE ON IT A MONTH, ONE MEETING A MONTH.

IT'S NOT GOING TO CUT IT. I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT.

MY QUESTION IS, IF IT STARTS IN MAY, WE CAN WHEN DOES WHEN DO WE HAVE TO HAVE IT FINALIZED TO GET ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT? I GUESS THAT'S A CITY ATTORNEY QUESTION.

WHAT'S THE DEADLINE TO GET SOMETHING ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT, WHATEVER, 78 DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION DATE? 78? YEAH, I THINK SO.

SO WHAT IS THAT, ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MONTHS? YEAH, IT'S ABOUT MID AUGUST.

SO SOMETIME AUGUST, SEPTEMBER.

YEAH. I THINK YOU HAVE TO CALL THE ELECTION BY AUGUST 9TH.

WE HAVE TO CALL THE ELECTION BY AUGUST 9TH.

BUT DO WE HAVE TO HAVE DOES THE BALLOT PROPOSITIONS ALREADY HAVE TO BE CREATED AND APPROVED? IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE TO DO IT? OKAY. SO AUGUST 9TH IS WHEN IT HAS TO BE CALLED WITH THE LANGUAGE FOR THE BALLOT PROPOSITIONS, CORRECT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, YEAH, I'M A LITTLE HESITANT.

I MEAN, I'M GOING TO REALLY STRUGGLE WITH THE TIMING OF THIS.

WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE GONE VERY QUICKLY AND WE'VE SORT OF SEEN HOW THOSE HAVE TURNED OUT JUST IN VARIOUS DIFFERENT POLICY POLICY AREAS.

SO IT BRINGS ME TO CITY HALL, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THOUGHT WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION LAST TIME SOMEBODY ASKED THE QUESTION, WHAT WOULD CITY HALL COST IF WE HAD TO DO IT ON OUR OWN, I THOUGHT SOMEBODY SAID $128 MILLION WITH THE PARKING STRUCTURE.

YEAH. OKAY.

OKAY. AND SO THE PARKING STRUCTURE THEN YOU'RE SAYING.

SO HOW MUCH WAS THE ESTIMATE FOR THE PARKING STRUCTURE? WE WE WE RECEIVED A RANGE.

I THINK IT WAS ANYWHERE FROM 20 MILLION TO 50 MILLION, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE AND.

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OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

LOCATION. YES.

SO MY THOUGHT IS, I HATE TO SEND A NUMBER TO THE VOTERS THAT WE HAVE TO RELY ON SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY HAVE VERY LITTLE CONTROL OVER AND THAT IS PARTNERSHIPS.

AND I THINK WAYNE SAID THAT BEFORE WE DO A P3, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S VIABLE.

WELL, THAT RIGHT THERE TELLS ME THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY RIPE RIGHT NOW.

AND SO THIS IS THESE COSTS ARE VERY I HATE TO SEND TO THE VOTERS COSTS THAT HAVE NOT REALLY BEEN I DON'T WANT TO SAY VETTED WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPROACH FROM IF WE DO IT ON OUR OWN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YEAH, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA.

IT'S BETWEEN 100 AND $128 MILLION, WHICH IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.

I'D HATE TO HAVE SOMEBODY VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT IN THE END, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION OR HAVE ALL OUR DUCKS IN A ROW THAT WE CAN'T DO IT AND WE CERTAINLY CAN'T DO IT FOR THAT PRICE.

SO I'M HESITANT FOR THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO ADDRESS THAT.

I MEAN, I'D RATHER HAVE A BOND, WHICH.

BUT HONESTLY, IF THERE'S A CITY HALL PROPOSITION FOR $100 MILLION, IT'S NOT GOING TO PASS.

IT'S NOT GOING TO PASS, IT'S NOT GOING TO PASS WITH WHATEVER IT'S LINKED TO.

SO WHATEVER WE DECIDE ON, I REALLY WANT CITY HALL TO BE A STAND ALONE PROPOSITION IN AND OF ITSELF.

I DON'T WANT IT LINKED TO CITY HALL WEST BECAUSE THE CITY HALL IS.

$70 MILLION, WHICH I THINK WAS POINTED OUT AS A QUARTER OF THE PROJECT.

AND IT IS THE LARGEST SINGLE PROJECT IN THE WHOLE BOND PROPOSAL.

AND AGAIN, THAT WON'T BE UP TO US.

THAT'LL BE ULTIMATELY UP TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO US IN THE END.

BUT WE CAN SAY WE WOULD PREFER AND AND WE'RE SENDING TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, HERE ARE OUR PROPOSITIONS.

AND ONE OF THEM BEING THAT IT'S A SINGLE PROPOSITION.

NOW, IF THEY SAY YOU CAN'T DO THAT, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.

BUT TO TO TAG IT ON TO SOMETHING, I THINK.

IS NOT FAIR BECAUSE I THINK IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE OPINIONS ON.

LET'S GO FOR IT.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THOSE KINDS OF ATTITUDES.

AND IF IT'S COMBINED WITH SOMETHING, IT PUTS WHATEVER THAT IS POTENTIALLY IN JEOPARDY.

SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING ON IN THE PACKAGE.

YOU KNOW, I'LL LET THE COMMITTEE.

DECIDE WHAT NUMBERS THEY NEED TO DECIDE IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

AND THEN IF THE VOTERS DECIDE WE WANT TO SPEND 70, 80, WHATEVER, I REALLY HESITATE TO PUT IT ON THERE WITH THE FOUNDATION THAT IT'S A P3 BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.

AND SO WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY, TOO, IS IF IT'S $70 MILLION FOR A P3, I'M WATCHING THE TIME, MR. MAYOR, SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO TALK FAST.

IF IT'S $70 MILLION, IF WE NEED A PARKING STRUCTURE, WHICH IF IT'S ACROSS THE STREET, WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY NEED IT OR SOME SOME VARIATION OF IT.

WELL, THAT'S ANOTHER POTENTIALLY LET'S JUST TAKE THE MIDDLE RANGE $30 MILLION BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S BUILT INTO THE $70 MILLION OF PARKING STRUCTURE, IS IT NOT? NO. WELL, THAT PUTS IT UP TO $100 MILLION.

AND IF WE ONLY HAVE A BOND PROPOSAL FOR 70, WE CAN'T DO A PARKING STRUCTURE.

AND THE PROBLEM IS, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON A BOND PROGRAM AND IT DOESN'T PASS, YOU CAN'T THEN GO IN AND PUT CARS ON IT FOR SO MANY YEARS, I THINK IS WHAT IS WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS. SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING THAT TO THE DISCUSSION FOR THE COMMITTEE.

I HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS.

IF IT COMES BACK IN THE FORM THAT IS PRESENTED, I'M GOING TO STRUGGLE WITH, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ME PUTTING MY STAMP OF APPROVAL ON THAT.

BUT I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.

AND SO OTHER THAN THAT, I'M OKAY.

MY ONLY TWO OBJECTIONS ARE THE TIMING AND THE NUMBER FOR CITY HALL WEST, THE PROPOSED NUMBER, AND THAT IT BE A SEPARATE BOND PROPOSAL FOR NEW CITY HALL OR CITY HALL FOR NEW CITY HALL, FOR THE NEW CITY HALL.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULD RECOMMEND, IF TIMING IS AN ISSUE FOR COUNCIL, WE COULD GO AHEAD WITH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE P3, FOR CITY HALL, GET THAT MOVING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE IS FORMED.

SO WAITING UNTIL MAY, UNTIL THE VACANCY IS FILLED AND WE HAVE THOSE THOSE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, WE COULD WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO THAT.

I THINK THE MORE YOU FILL THAT IN, I MEAN, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD A COUPLE SAY THAT WE JUST WE SORT OF DON'T REALLY HAVE A PLAN.

I THINK THE MORE YOU CAN CREATE A FOUNDATIONAL PLAN OR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GO, OKAY, LOOK AT THIS.

I THINK YOU'LL YOU MIGHT HEAR SOME DIFFERENT COMMENTS.

IT'S JUST RIGHT NOW WE HAVE PLANS FOR ALL THE OTHER STUFF.

WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE. WE KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, SO.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

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I GUESS IT'S DIRECTION. DID YOU GET MY DID YOU GET DID YOU ASCERTAIN MY DIRECTION? SHE GOT IT. SHE'S CLEAR.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO, SO SO I WANT TO I WANT TO SWING BACK AROUND AGAIN.

WE'RE OVER TIME AND AGAIN, THIS THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVERYONE SAID THEY WANT TO HEAR OTHER ONE.

I REALLY DON'T. WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE FOUR PEOPLE THAT SAID THEY WANTED TO PUSH IT TO ME.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT FOR LIKE TEN MINUTES.

SO I'M JUST ASKING IF WE CAN FOCUS IN OUR CONVERSATIONS TO SAY IF YOU WANT IT IN, MAY SAY YOU WANT IT IN MAY, BUT IF YOU DON'T HEAR A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THIS BODY SAYING WE WANT TO PUSH IT TO MAY, THEN DON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT MAY BECAUSE IT HADN'T BEEN KIND OF ALLOCATED THAT THAT WE WANT TO GO THAT WAY.

SO JUST PLEASE REFINE COMMENTS TO KIND OF MAKE IT EASY FOR STAFF, MAKE IT EASY FOR THOSE THAT WOULD WORK ON THIS GOING FORWARD.

AND SO WITH THAT IN THAT VEIN, SO A COUPLE OF THINGS, BECKY, IF I THINK IT WOULD BE YOU TALKING ABOUT BUILDING COST, IF I COULD BORROW, WHO WOULD SPEAK TO BUILDING COST? TREVOR. TREVOR OKAY, GREAT.

IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.

AND THIS IS GOING TO BE SUPER SIMPLE BECAUSE MY THING IS I'M NOT CRAZY WHEN BIDS GO OUT.

IF IT'S A MUNICIPAL PROJECT, THE COST IS INFLATED BECAUSE DEALING WITH GOVERNMENT AGENCIES IS A PAIN IN THE NECK TO SOME DEGREE.

THEY HAVE TO BUILD IN MORE CONTINGENCIES.

AM I AM I WRONG? YEAH, I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL, THAT'S PROBABLY CORRECT.

I WOULD SAY.

IN THE CITY OF DENTON WITHIN THE LAST THREE YEARS.

WE'VE WE'VE DONE A LOT TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.

SO A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS WITH MUNICIPALITIES IS REALLY THE RISK THAT THEY BUILD INTO THEIR CONTRACTS.

AND SO WHEN A CONTRACTOR DOESN'T KNOW THOSE OR IS ASSUMING THOSE RISKS, THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO ASSIGN COST TO IT.

SO WE'VE DONE A WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN ORDER TO KIND OF BRING THOSE RISKS UP AND ADDRESS THOSE REALLY AS A TEAM WITH OUR CONTRACTORS INCREASE.

SO INCREASE TRANSPARENCY, BUT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THEIR BIDDING AND KIND OF THE COMMUNITY AND HOW THEY THEIR BEST PRACTICES.

WE DON'T THAT'S PART OF THAT COMPETITIVE BIDDING THAT THAT WE DO THAT SYSTEM.

SO YOU KNOW ONE ONE CONTRACTOR MIGHT DECIDE HEY I'M GOING TO BUILD A LOT OF COSTS INTO THIS RISK.

BUT KNOWING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MULTIPLE OTHER CONTRACTORS FOR THE MOST PART HELPS HELPS KEEPS THE HELPS KEEP THOSE CONTRACTORS HONEST.

GOT IT. OKAY. AND THEN, WAYNE, IF YOU COULD COME UP AND TALK ABOUT I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS.

YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS.

SO TO CUT TO THE QUICK, OBVIOUSLY I TAKE ISSUE WITH PEOPLE SAYING THAT CITY HALL SHOULD BE SINGULARLY NOT CONNECTED TO THE PUBLIC SECTOR.

DO WE BUILD CITY BUILDINGS OR DO WE CONNECT WITH PUBLIC SECTOR IN EVERYTHING WE DO? YEAH. AS FAR AS THE REGULAR PROCUREMENT PROCESS, YOU WOULD GO TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT IT FOR YOU.

SO I THINK THE THE P THREE IS REALLY IT'S, IT'S MORE ABOUT IT'S A LOT ABOUT THE FINANCING OF THE PROJECT AND HOW YOU GO ABOUT DOING THAT AND THE ASSUMPTIONS OF RISK.

SO I THINK LIKE JUST LIKE WHAT TREVOR IS SAYING, TALKING ABOUT CONTINGENCY, THIS IS THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU WOULD YOU WOULD DO AP3 BECAUSE THE THE WAY YOU WOULD NEGOTIATE THAT IN IS SAYING WE'RE IN FOR 70 MILLION AND WE'RE NOT IN FOR A DOLLAR OVER AND WE WANT X AMOUNT OF PARKING SPOTS AND WE NEED X AMOUNT OF OFFICES AND THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE DELIVERED. AND THEN YOU YOU'D GO OUT AND DO THAT.

SO YOU REMOVE THAT CONTINGENCY RISK VIA AP3 IN THAT SENSE.

SO, SO ALL THAT RISK IS SHIFTED OVER TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

PERFECT. AND SO HAS THE CITY EVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE ANY BUILDING PROJECT WITHOUT GOING OUT TO A WHAT? WHAT DID YOU CALL IT? A PRIVATE.

A PROCUREMENT? YEAH.

NO, A PRIVATE DEVELOPER OR WHATEVER.

HAVE WE EVER AVOIDED THAT AT ALL, HAVING ONLY BEEN HERE SEVEN MONTHS, I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS EIGHT MONTHS NOW.

I DON'T KNOW ANY CITY YOU'VE WORKED, I WOULD IMAGINE.

I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT I WOULD SAY THE VAST MAJORITY PROBABLY ARE GO OUT TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

I WOULD I WOULD AGREE THAT. OKAY, GREAT.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, CASSIE, I'D ASK FOR SURROUNDING CITIES BECAUSE OTHER CONCERN WAS, WAS NUMBERS THE JUST THE SHEER MASS OF THE NUMBER.

DID WE LOOK AT OTHER CITIES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FOR THE P3? NO, FOR BOND.

OH, FOR BOND. YES, I DID.

AND I FORGOT TO BRING THAT WITH ME.

NO WORRIES. I GOT IT. SO I CAN PUT THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER.

NO, NO. WHILE THEY WERE TALKING, I JUST LOOKED SO.

CITY. CITY OF MCKINNEY.

200 MILLION. JUST FOR AN AIRPORT.

YES. THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE MONEY.

THEN. CITY OF FRISCO, 473 MILLION.

AND THEY DON'T HAVE A CITY ANIMAL SHELTER, BY THE WAY.

IT'S ALL USED FOR PRIVATE THINGS.

SO I'M JUST SAYING THE CITY OF DENTON HAS WORKED HARD TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A FULL COMPLEMENT OF SERVICES AND THAT SHOULDN'T BE PUNITIVE.

AND SO 473 FOR FRISCO, ARLINGTON, 213 MILLION.

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AND MIND YOU, IF YOU GO LOOK AT THE NEWS, ARLINGTON BRAGGED ABOUT THEIR TAX RATE DROPPING DOWN $0.02.

THEY SAID, OH, WE'VE DROPPED OUR TAX RATE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ALL THESE YEARS.

AND THE BIGGEST DROP EVER THERE AT $0.59, WHICH IS $0.03 ABOVE US.

SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND YOU TALK ABOUT TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS AND DOING THE RIGHT THING, IT SHOULD NOT BE PUNITIVE THAT NOW WHEN WE DO HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MESSAGE IS THERE.

IF THIS IF WE'RE WILLING TO COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE VOTERS.

BUT THAT'S THE CHALLENGE BEFORE US.

ROUND ROCK $274 MILLION, CITY OF HOUSTON $478 MILLION.

KILLEEN $232 MILLION.

THOSE ARE ALL 2023 BOND INITIATIVES.

SO EVERYONE IS FIGHTING THE SAME FIGHT.

CLEAN POINTS OUT.

GO LOOK IT UP ON GOOGLE.COM.

IT SAYS, HEY, WE HAVE 160,000 PEOPLE AND WE'RE FACING GROWTH ISSUES.

ET CETERA. WE'RE AT ONE 150 PLUS AND IT'S THE SAME THING.

SO FOR ME, IT'S IT'S IF WE'RE WILLING TO SEND THE I JUST WANT TO GET CONSENSUS THAT WE'RE WILLING TO SEND IT TO THE VOTERS.

I DON'T EXPECT THAT THIS PHASE THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE EVERYTHING IRONED OUT.

I THINK STAFF NEEDS DIRECTION, TOO, AND THEN INVEST IN THAT TIME.

BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS IGNORE THE FACT THAT LOOK AROUND THE THE CHIEF THAT JUST PRESENTED TO US STRATEGY.

STRATEGY OFFICER. HER OFFICE IS A CONFERENCE ROOM.

YEAH. THE CONFERENCE ROOM IS GETTING READY TO GO AWAY.

DOWN. DOWNSTAIRS. WE HAVE FOUR RESTROOMS FOR THIS ENTIRE BUILDING.

WE HAVE NO WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBILITY AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO.

AND SO AND THE PRICES AREN'T GOING TO GO DOWN.

THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW. AND SO FOR ME, IT'S JUST IT IS UNFORTUNATE IF THIS BODY IS NOT WILLING AT THIS POINT WITH ALL THE STUFF THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION ALREADY DID A DEEP DIVE INTO WHAT A CITY COUNCIL WOULD LOOK LIKE, CITY HALL WOULD LOOK LIKE.

IT'S A MATTER OF PICKING UP WHERE THEY LEFT OFF, MODERNIZING THAT.

BUT THE WI-FI SERVICE HERE IS TERRIBLE.

IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.

SO THERE'S JUST A LOT OF REASONS WHY WE THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND QUALITY FOR OUR WORKFORCE, THE JUST THE SECURITY FEATURES, THE ENERGY USAGE, THERE'S THE LIST JUST GOES ON, GREAT BUILDING.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY, THE THING IS, I DON'T WANT TO GO RENT A BUILDING WITH TAXPAYER MONEY.

I JUST THAT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY BEYOND ME WHY WE WOULD THEN DECIDE TO GO RENT SPACE OUT BECAUSE WE CAN'T AT LEAST PUT IT TO THE VOTERS.

AND THEN IF THE VOTERS SAY NO, THEN GREAT.

BUT LET'S NOT LET'S LET THE 21 PEOPLE ON THAT COMMITTEE AND THE 150,000 PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE, MAKE A DECISION AND PUT IT BEFORE THEM AND PUT THE BEST THING FORWARD VERSUS US ARBITRARILY, NOT ALLOW THEM A CHANCE TO BE HEARD.

AND I'LL JUST POINT OUT THIS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT VETTING, RIGHT, BECAUSE WE JUST LEFT HERE AND IT'S A PAIN POINT FOR ME.

AND SO 2014, I WON'T LIST THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE HERE 2014, I'M GOING TO THINK THAT THEY VETTED IT VERY WELL.

I'M GOING TO THINK THAT THEY HAD AN IRONCLAD PLAN AND ALL THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

BUT IN 2014, THEY SAID, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE QUIET ZONES HERE WE SIT 20, 23 WITH NO MONEY AND NO QUIET ZONES.

SO DON'T GIVE ME THE WHOLE HEY, IF WE IF YOU PLAN, IT'LL WORK OUT.

PLANS DON'T WORK OUT.

SO IT'S NOT ABOUT VETTING IT, RIGHT? IT'S NOT ABOUT THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

LIFE HAPPENS AT EVERY TURN.

SO I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED IT, AND THAT'S EASILY JUSTIFIABLE.

AND IF YOU CAN FIND ME A CITY IN THIS NORTH TEXAS AREA, BECAUSE I JUST LOOKED THAT'S UNDER THESE NUMBERS, UNDER THE 200,200 MILLION RANGE, THEN, HEY, THEN LET'S LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND LET'S LOOK AT THEIR TAX RATE.

BUT WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.

WE WE WORKED HARD EARLY ON AND THAT SHOULDN'T BE PUNITIVE.

WE SHOULD THEN BUT WE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES.

WE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF THIS.

I MEAN, AND I'M REALLY BIG ON THE RESTROOM THING.

THAT IS JUST A PROBLEM FOR ME.

THE WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBILITY AND THE RESTROOMS, IT'S JUST IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD WORK ENVIRONMENT FOR THE 1800 PLUS EMPLOYEES WE HAVE IN ALMOST A $2 MILLION CITY.

IT'S NOT IT'S NOT HOW YOU TREAT YOUR EMPLOYEES.

AND I HOPE WE CAN BE BETTER BOSSES.

AND I THINK I TOUCHED ON THAT.

SO THAT'S A PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

THAT'S THE THAT'S THE PLANNING THAT WAS MENTIONED, THE STAFFING ISSUE.

AND THEN I JUST SEE IT.

THIS IS SELFISHLY ME.

I SEE NOT DOING A P3 AS A WAY OF WASTING TAXPAYER MONEY BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COST US MORE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE OVERRUNS.

I LOVE WHAT WAYNE SAID.

WE CAN COME IN AND CAP THE THE COST AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE SPENDING, NOT A PENNY MORE.

ARLINGTON DID THAT WITH JERRY JONES.

AND SO HE ENDED UP SPILLING BILLIONS.

THEY WERE ON THE HOOK FOR 300 MILLION GENIUS TO TO PROTECT THE TAXPAYERS FROM SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

ALL THOSE THINGS WE BUILD IN A DEAL THAT SAYS, HERE'S WHAT YOU GET AND NO MORE SEND OUT AN RFP.

THEY COME BACK WITH SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

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THE MARKET CHANGES.

ET CETERA. THAT TO ME IS GOOD STEWARDSHIP.

SO THAT'S AND THEN I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE RETAIL.

I THINK IT'S GOOD TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE CARE OF OUR HOMEGROWN RETAIL BUSINESSES AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE AFFORDABILITY.

ANY SO MY DIRECTION WOULD BE MOVE FORWARD.

THE TIMING, I TAKE THE POINT ABOUT THE THE FOURTH, THE FOURTH SEAT, BUT WHAT A BETTER WAY TO MODEL THAT WE CAN ALL GET ALONG AND BE GREAT STEWARDS OF THE TAX OF RESPONSIBILITY AND PICK THESE OTHER TWO SEATS AND WE HAVE THE FINAL SAY ANYWAY.

SO IT MATTERS NOT THAT PERSON WILL GET TO DECIDE WHERE THEY GO FROM THERE.

SO IT'S I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT PROCESS.

AND I'LL END ON A LIGHTER NOTE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PAPER QUOTES COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON SAYS.

HE SAID FISH RUN UP THE RIVER AND THAT'S AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY QUOTE THAT AND JUST LEAVE IT LIKE THAT, JUST QUOTE IT IN THE PAPER LIKE THAT, AND THEN THEY'LL WATCH THE VIDEO AND GET THE CONTEXT.

BUT OUT OF CONTEXT, IT SOUNDS GREAT.

SO SO, MAYOR, I DO LOVE THAT.

AND I'M NOW DESPERATELY GOING TO GO FISHING OVER THERE.

BUT SO I'M NOT WE DON'T HAVE CONSENSUS.

THAT'S THE MY BIGGEST CONCERN HERE IS I THINK I HEAR CONSENSUS TO LEAVE THE CITY HALL ON BUT TO NOT HAVE IT WITH THE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY HAVE AN ITEM OF CITY HALL.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT.

YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK WE WILL.

RIGHT NOW, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE WILL SEND IT TO THE COMMITTEE.

LET THE COMMITTEE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN TAKE THAT TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT HE WILL SIGN OFF ON THE PROPOSAL.

AND I WANT TO GO BACK AROUND TO ANYONE ELSE, CARE TO SPEAK AND GIVE KIND OF CLEAR CLARIFY WHAT STAFF HAS HEARD.

DO YOU WANT TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT YOU.

IS THERE ANY MORE TO ADD TO YOUR OVERVIEW BEFORE? OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS AND THEN WE'LL JUST COME AROUND.

YEP, I'LL BE QUICK.

I'M STILL HANGING IN FOR STARTING IN MAY.

IT'S WHAT WE DID IN 2019.

WE GOT IT DONE IN 2019.

IF YOU GO BACK AND WATCH WHAT THEY DID IN 2019, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL STREETS AND HOW FAR DOWN THE STREET AND WHICH POTHOLE ON THE STREET.

SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE NOT GOING TO BE AS COMPLEX FOR THE COMMITTEE TO HANDLE.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE PICKING. YES, FIRE STATION OR NO FIRE STATION.

SOME OF THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY QUICK FOR THEM TO HANDLE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS IN THE WEEDS AS 2019 WAS.

SO I THINK MAY IS A GOOD START FOR THEM.

WE CAN DO A LOT OF LEGWORK BEFORE THAT.

I AGREE WITH CASSIE THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CITY COUNCIL COULD WORK ON, THAT STAFF CAN WORK ON LEADING UP TO MAY SO THAT WHEN WE GIVE THEM THEIR CHARGE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER, IT'S A LITTLE BIT CLEARER OF SCOPE, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE SOME HEARTBURN ABOUT THE PUBLIC PRIVATE THING AND THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SEPARATE, SEPARATE PROPOSITION FOR THE NEW CITY HALL.

I THINK THE CITY AGREES WITH US THAT WE NEED MORE SPACE AND BETTER FACILITIES FOR OUR STAFF.

I DO NOT THINK THE CITY AS A WHOLE AGREES WITH US THAT WE NEED A BRAND NEW CITY HALL.

I THINK THAT'S JUST THAT, THAT SIMPLE.

HOWEVER WE PAY FOR IT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S CONSENSUS AROUND THAT.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO STAND AND STAND OR FALL ON ITS OWN, AND I THINK THAT'S ALL MY DIRECTION.

THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D SAY, MAYOR, IS I TAKE YOUR POINT ABOUT THE OTHER CITIES.

THE DIFFERENCE IS I DON'T THINK IT'S PUNITIVE THAT WE'VE BEEN FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.

RESPONSIBLE. I THINK THAT WE HAVE SET AN EXPECTATION THAT FRISCO CAN HAVE AS MANY MILLION DOLLARS AS THEY WANT ON THEIR BOND ISSUE.

THE EXPECTATION HERE IS MUCH LOWER.

THE DEMOGRAPHIC IS DIFFERENT.

I THINK WE'VE CREATED AN EXPECTATION IN OUR FOLKS THAT THEY WOULD BE SURPRISED TO SEE THAT KIND OF MONEY ON A BOND ELECTION.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN.

BYRD. I AM GOING TO STAY WITH MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE GATHER THIS COMMITTEE TOGETHER AND STAY ON THIS THIS TIMELINE, AND THAT'S IT.

WE NEED TO GET STARTED, AT LEAST ALLOW THE CITY TO START WORKING ON THIS.

WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS AS QUICKLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN WALTZ.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COMMITTEE MEET AFTER THE ELECTION OR THE FORMATION OF IT, AND THAT CAN HAPPEN PRETTY QUICKLY.

AS FAR AS WHETHER IT'S A SEPARATE PROPOSITION ON THE BALLOT, I WANT MY RECOMMENDATION AND MY DIRECTION IS THAT THE COUNCIL ME WOULD SEND THAT TO THE BOND COMMITTEE TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE.

NOW YOU CAN BRING BACK A RECOMMENDATION, BUT I WANT AT LEAST THEM TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS ON PUTTING IT AS A SEPARATE PROPOSITION THAT THIS IS WHAT COUNCIL DESIRES, THEY CAN CHANGE IT, WE CAN COME BACK AND THEN WE CAN VOTE.

HOWEVER, WE ARE ON THE RECOMMENDATION.

SO AS FAR AS IT BEING ON THE BALLOT, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

MY PRIMARY ISSUE IS WHAT COST ARE WE PUTTING THERE AND VETTING THAT? BECAUSE I THINK MAYOR AND I GUESS I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED WHEN YOU WERE TALKING, I THOUGHT WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY WAS, YEAH, WE WE BUILD WE USE PRIVATE

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CONTRACTORS TO BUILD OUR FACILITIES.

BUT I DON'T THINK THE P3, I DON'T THINK THAT'S REFERRING TO THE PRIVATE CONTRACTORS.

WE WILL HAVE DEVELOPED IT.

I THINK IT'S TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO AND THEY MAY BE SOME OF THEM MAY BE PART OF THOSE, BUT IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO PARTNER WITH US IN THE RETAIL SPACE.

SO I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THAT, BUT NEVERTHELESS, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

I JUST I NEED MORE INFORMATION ON IT AND I'M JUST NOT AS CONFIDENT THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN.

SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING ON THE BALLOT.

I THINK I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS GOING TO BE AND THAT THE PARKING GARAGE, I MEAN, THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION AND THEN WAITING FOR FORMING THE COMMITTEE UNTIL AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION.

ARE YOU RECOMMENDING IT GO YOU'RE RECOMMENDING COUNCIL, SAY IT.

BE SEPARATE. YES.

YEAH. NOT NOT WITH CITY HALL, WEST NOT WITH BUT A SEPARATE A SEPARATE PROPOSITION FOR YOU.

OH, OKAY. OKAY.

I'M JUST MAKING SURE I'M GOING TO BE OKAY.

COUNCILMAN MCGEE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WITH TREPIDATION, I AM OKAY GOING AHEAD AND GETTING THE COMMITTEE STARTED.

I TRUST THIS BODY THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND COME TO COME TO.

GOOD DECISION FOR OUR RESIDENTS IN DISTRICT FOUR TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ADEQUATELY REPRESENTED.

I STILL STAND BY WHAT I SAID EARLIER.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE 10 MILLION FOR HOUSING AFFORDABILITY SPLIT OFF FROM FROM CITY HALL.

I UNDERSTAND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS NOT TO RECOMMEND MORE THAN FOUR, BUT IN THE EVENT THAT THE VOTERS WOULD AGREE WITH MR. DAVIS. I DON'T WANT COMMUNITY SERVICE AND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY TO SUFFER AS A RESULT.

SO I STILL ALSO RECOMMEND STANDING THOSE ALONE.

AND I'M ACTUALLY OKAY WITH WHAT WHAT MR. WATTS SAID IN TERMS OF NOT COUPLING IT WITH ANYTHING ELSE.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

SO I APPRECIATE APPRECIATE THAT SUGGESTION.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO, YEAH, I'LL BE.

I THINK THAT'S FOR. FOR FOR NOT LINKING THEM TOGETHER AND HAVING SEPARATE PROPOSITIONS.

UH, I SO I'M ON BOARD WITH THAT.

AS LONG AS I KNOW THAT WE CAN GET ENOUGH MEETINGS IN.

AND SO I SHARE THAT CONCERN APPARENTLY WITH WITH COUNCILOR WATTS, IF WE CAN GET IT ALL IN IN MAY AND I'M OKAY EITHER WAY.

SO WHEREVER YOU KNOW IF I NEED TO SWITCH TO TO APRIL OR MAY, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE MAYOR DOES TO MAKE IT FOUR, I WILL I WILL DECIDE.

BUT I'M OKAY WITH EITHER APRIL OR MAY.

IN TERMS OF THE TIMING.

I'M KIND OF LEANING MAY JUST TO SHOW MY CARDS EARLY.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? GOT IT. SO THERE'S.

YEAH, I DON'T I DON'T SUPPORT MOVING IT TO MAY.

I THINK WE CAN DO IT.

HECK, I'D EVEN BE GREAT IF THIS BODY JUST DECIDES THERE'S THREE.

THERE'S THREE PEOPLE RUNNING AND FOUR YOU GRAB TWO OF THEM AND PUT THEM ON THERE.

I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COMPLICATED.

IT CAN BE SUPER SIMPLE BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? IT ALL COMES BACK TO US AND WE CAN IGNORE IT AND DO WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO.

THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SO IT JUST IT'S GREAT FEEDBACK.

IT'S GREAT. MAYBE IT'S GOOD PRACTICE FOR THEM.

I DON'T KNOW. BUT I DON'T I DON'T I'M GOOD WITH THE TIMING STAFFS LAID OUT JUST FOR SIMPLICITY.

AND I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT WORK.

AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THERE'S ALWAYS IT'S COMING BACK TO US AS A BACKUP.

SO THAT'S SO THAT'S SO BOTTOM LINE, WE HAVE WE DO HAVE FOUR FOR SEPARATES SEPARATE OUT THE CITY HALL RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOND COMMITTEE.

WE ONLY HAVE THREE THREE WHEN IT COMES TO EITHER GET STARTED NOW OR MAY.

NO, I THINK YOU GOT I THINK YEAH I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM EITHER WAY ON THE YEAH I WAS WILLING TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN SO IF IF IF WE'RE THREE THREE WITH THREE MAYS AND THREE APRILS I WILL SWITCH TO AN APRIL TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.

OKAY. OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO HEAR.

THERE YOU GO. THIS IS WORKING TOGETHER.

AND TEAMWORK. LIKE AN ELEPHANT.

YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT.

YEAH. ROCK, PAPER, SCISSORS.

WHAT'S IS EXACTLY CORRECT ON THAT? LEAVE HIM ALONE. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

OKAY. DO YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED? I DO. JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK THE RESOLUTION FOR THE COMMITTEE APRIL 4TH, BECAUSE THE 21ST IS A SHORT MEETING AND NO ISD ITEMS, SO I'LL BRING THAT BACK ON APRIL 4TH. OKAY. SO.

SO. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE THAT NEEDS STAFF TIME QUESTIONS.

ET CETERA. PLEASE SCHEDULE THAT WITH CASSIE OR THE CITY MANAGER TO ADD OR SUBTRACT OR GET INFORMATION OUT TO US BEFORE THE FOURTH THAT GIVES A FEW WEEKS TO TO GET MORE INFORMATION. WE'LL GET A MEMO OUT TO YOU ASKING FOR YOUR INFORMATION AND YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND THAT KIND OF THING.

YOUR NAMES. YES.

GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. BEFORE I CALL THE NEXT ITEM, YOU CAN COME ON UP.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE Y'ALL.

I WANT TO I GOT AN EMAIL LAST MINUTE AND SO I WANTED TO I ASK STAFF TO PRINT IT AND I DIDN'T WANT TO HAND IT OUT WHILE WE'RE TALKING BECAUSE THAT'S A

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DISTRACTION AND I'VE NOT READ IT EITHER.

SO THIS IS JUST A WORK SESSION, THIS NEXT ITEM.

IT'S IT'S GERMANE TO THE TO THIS ITEM.

SO I WANTED TO AT LEAST GIVE YOU A CHANCE AS YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, NOT NOT THAT WE'D HAVE A LOT OF TIME JUDGE I THINK YOU WERE COPIED ON IT.

BUT HERE'S A PRINTOUT JUST IN CASE.

YOU GOOD. OKAY.

SO AGAIN, I HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT I'LL CALL THE ITEM.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAD THE SAME INFORMATION.

SO THIS IS ITEM F ID 23446.

[F. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the Denton Municipal Court's use of a third-party collection firm to assist with case resolution. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

RECEIVE REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION.

GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE DENTON MUNICIPAL COURTS USE OF THIRD PARTY COLLECTION FIRM TO ASSIST ASSIST WITH CASE RESOLUTION.

FOR. MAYOR.

WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE PULLING UP THIS PRESENTATION.

JUST GIVE ME A MOMENT. SURE.

NO PROBLEM. OH, DON'T DO THAT.

YES, SIR. THE THREE OF US COULD JUST DECIDE.

SURE. YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT.

YEAH.

RIGHT. YEAH.

NO. YEAH, I'LL GIVE IT TO SAY THAT ON THE RECORD.

YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO SAY POINT OF ORDER, BUT I'M ABOUT TO SAY A WORD.

YEAH, I WAS THINKING ABOUT.

CAN WE. CAN WE NOT HAVE DISCUSSION ON AN ITEM AFTER IT'S CLOSED? YEAH, NO PROBLEM. I GOT A LIST OF THINGS THAT HAPPENS THAT I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN, SO LET'S NOT.

LET'S NOT START. THAT'S PRETTY.

THAT'S. THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE.

I THINK WE'RE OKAY HERE.

NO, NO, NO.

WE'LL GET WITH STAFF AFTERWARDS.

YEAH. I TAKE POINT OF ORDER WITH THE ENTIRE CONTENT OF THE TWO MINUTE PITCH.

BUT I TRY NOT TO SAY ANYTHING.

YOU'LL GET YOUR CHANCE. YEAH.

YEAH, NO DOUBT.

I'M SEEING A LOT OF THE JUDGE LATELY.

I KNOW IT. I DON'T KNOW.

LONG DAY. LONG DAY.

ALL RIGHT. THE.

WELL, WE ALL SET? I BELIEVE SO.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. AWESOME.

WE'VE GOT A COURT BRINGS A POLICY ISSUE QUESTION TO COUNSEL TODAY REVOLVING AROUND THE USE OF THIRD PARTY COLLECTION FIRM TO HELP WITH RESOLVING OUTSTANDING CASES.

CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE ALLOWS A CITY TO CONTRACT WITH A THIRD PARTY COLLECTION AGENCY TO ASSIST IN COLLECTING FINES AND FEES THAT ARE OWED ON CASES THAT ARE PENDING WITH THE COURT. THE FIRM IS ALLOWED UNDER THAT STATUTE TO COLLECT A FEE THAT'S EQUAL TO 30% OF THE AMOUNT OWED ON A CASE.

SO THERE'S NO FEE WITH THAT'S BEING COLLECTED FROM THE CITY OR PAID BY THE CITY.

THE ONLY COST IS TAXED AS A COURT COST TO THE INDIVIDUAL DEFENDANT.

SO FOR THE BACKGROUND, SINCE 2011, LINEBARGER, A LAW FIRM, HAS SERVED AS OUR COLLECTION FIRM FOR THE CITY.

THEY HELP WITH MUNICIPAL COURT AND I BELIEVE A COUPLE OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY.

BUT THIS DISCUSSION IS FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY AROUND COURT POLICY.

HISTORIC POLICY IS THAT THE 30% FEE IS COLLECTED BY LINEBARGER THEMSELVES WHEN THEY COLLECT ON A CASE, NO EXTRA FEE.

IF THE COURT COLLECTS ON A CASE, IF SOMEBODY APPEARS AT THE COURT WINDOWS, THERE'S NOT AN EXTRA 30% FEE.

IF THEY PAY DIRECTLY THROUGH LINEBARGER ON A REFERRED CASE, THEN THERE'S A 30% FEE COLLECTED BY LINEBARGER.

THE ORIGINAL BALANCE IS THEN REMITTED BACK TO THE COURT WITH THE COVID HIT US.

IT WAS AROUND APRIL 2020.

COURT MUNICIPAL COURT STOPPED ISSUING WARRANTS AND THAT ALSO PAUSED REFERRALS OF NEW CASES TO LINEBARGER.

IN 2021, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL FROM LINEBARGER THAT THE COURT ADD THE 30% FEE IN OUR CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AS A FEE THAT GOES ON EACH CASE.

SO EFFECTIVELY IF SOMEBODY COMES TO THE WINDOW, THAT FEE WOULD BE WAITING ON THEM IF THEIR CASE HAD BEEN REFERRED TO LINEBARGER.

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I COLLOQUIALLY CALL IT US ACTING AS A COLLECTION FIRM FOR THE COLLECTION FIRM BECAUSE WE'RE COLLECTING THAT 30% FEE.

MANY CITIES DO IT THAT WAY, BUT DENTON HISTORICALLY HAS NOT BEEN ONE OF THEM.

IN THAT PROPOSAL, THE COURT WOULD THEN REMIT THE COLLECTION FEE BACK TO LINEBARGER.

THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CURRENT ACCOUNTING PROCESS THAT ALLOWS FUNDS TO FLOW FROM A COURT THROUGH TREASURER AND THEN BACK TO THE THIRD PARTY.

THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S BEEN SET UP IN THE PAST, AS THIS COUNCIL KNOWS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT A WEEK AGO.

SINCE 2020, THE COURT HAS REVISED POLICIES AND ADOPTED INNOVATIVE COURT TECHNOLOGIES TO INCREASE RESOLUTION AND INCREASE ACCESS TO JUSTICE. SOME OF THOSE INCLUDE THE ONLINE CASE RESOLUTION PLATFORM, INCREASED CUSTOMIZED NOTIFICATIONS THROUGH TEXT AND EMAIL TO INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE APPEARING BEFORE THE COURT, AND THEN SOME POLICIES THAT ARE REFERRED TO AS RESOLVE TODAY POLICIES.

WE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF EXTENSIONS WITHOUT INTENTION THAT WE ALLOW SOMEBODY TO GET ON CASES.

SO THEY IF THEY COME TO US AND SAY, I WANT A 30 DAY EXTENSION, WE TYPICALLY ASK FOR WHAT PURPOSE? WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A SPECIFIC PURPOSE TO PUSHING A RESOLUTION OUT IF POSSIBLE.

IF SOMEBODY IS IN FRONT OF US TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO RESOLVE IT TODAY.

RESULTS JUST ON OUR EFFORTS FOR ALL CASES THAT WERE FILED IN 2022.

WE'RE IN 87% RESOLVED OR IN RESOLUTION STATUS.

SO SOMEBODY IS HAS A CASE FROM LAST YEAR.

THEY'RE ON A PAYMENT PLAN.

THEY'RE CURRENTLY ON DEFERRED.

I CONSIDER THAT TO BE AN IN RESOLUTION STATUS.

13% OF CASES FROM LAST YEAR WENT INTO WARRANT STATUS.

I GIVE YOU THOSE NUMBERS TO SAY THAT WE'RE WE'RE PRETTY GOOD AT GETTING INDIVIDUALS TO RESOLVE THE TICKETS THAT THEY HAVE FILED WITH THE COURT.

A DECENT NUMBER IN TEXAS WOULD BE LIKE A 60 OR 70% RESOLUTION RATE WITH 40% GOING INTO WARRANT STATUS.

AND SO WE DO A GOOD JOB.

THE CLERKS ARE AMAZING.

THE TECH IS AWESOME AT GETTING CASES RESOLVED.

OUT OF THE CASES, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTACT OUT OF THE CASES THAT HAD BEEN REFERRED TO LINEBARGER BEFORE THE PAUSE LAST YEAR, LINEBARGER CLEARED 58 CASES.

THEIR MEMO HAS A HIGHER NUMBER THAN THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT OUR RECORD SHOWED WITH A REMITTANCE BACK TO THE COURT OF ALMOST 20,000. THE COURT OF THOSE SAME NUMBER OF CASES THAT LINEBARGER HAD A CHANCE TO RESOLVE, WE WERE ABLE TO RESOLVE ALMOST 1200 OF THOSE CASES.

AND SO.

MY ARGUMENT IS THAT WE WERE MORE EFFECTIVE IN THAT SAME TIME FRAME WORKING ON THE SAME CASES.

THE CHALLENGES WITH RELYING ON OR USING A THIRD PARTY COLLECTION FIRM IS THAT THERE'S THE ADDITIONAL 30% BURDEN THAT GETS ADDED FOR A COURT USER TO THEN PAY.

AND THEN IF WE STUCK WITH AND PROPOSALS FROM COUNSEL POLICY DISCUSSIONS BACK WAS THAT WE CONTINUE WITH USING COLLECTION FIRM, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO SET UP NEW FUNDING MECHANISMS FOR US COLLECTING THE COLLECTION FEE FOR THE COLLECTION FIRM AND REMITTING THAT BACK TO THEM.

SO OPTIONS OBVIOUSLY ARE DISCONTINUE USE OF THIRD PARTY COLLECTION FIRM OR CONTINUE USE INCREASED AMOUNTS OWED ON THOSE CASES THAT ARE REFERRED BY 30%. ADD THAT 30% FEE ON AND OUR CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM COLLECT AND REMIT THE EXTRA FEE TO THE COLLECTION AGENCY.

I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

OKAY. QUESTIONS.

COUNCILWOMAN DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUDGE, I TAKE YOUR POINT ON I THINK MOST OF WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN FRONT OF US AND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING OUR KIND OF POLICY DIRECTION ON, I GUESS WHERE I'M THE PART THAT I'M MISSING IS IF WE DISCONTINUE USE OF A THIRD PARTY FIRM JUST FOR ANY CASES, THEN WITH CURRENT STAFFING, DOES THAT LEAVE US JUST WITH THE I DON'T WANT TO SAY JUST WITH THE WARRANT ROUTE BECAUSE I KNOW YOU DO.

THERE'S ABOUT 100 EXTRA STEPS AND 100 EXTRA OPPORTUNITIES THAT PEOPLE GET IN DENTON THAT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY GET IN OTHER MUNICIPAL COURTS.

BUT LET'S SAY WE'VE EXHAUSTED ALL OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND THAT THEY HAVE SHORT OF A COLLECTION AGENCY.

I MEAN, WARRANT IS THE ONLY IS THE ONLY OPTION AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? AND THOSE TWO IN THE PROCESS, THOSE TWO ARE FLIPPED.

SO COLLECTION AGENCY ONLY COMES INTO PLAY AFTER WARRANTS ISSUED.

SO WARRANTS ISSUED THAN 60 DAYS LAPSED WITHOUT RESOLUTION.

AND THEN THE CASES REFERRED TO COLLECTION AGENCY.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THE WAY BETTER WAY TO PHRASE MY QUESTION IS THE ONLY RESOLUTION OTHER THAN A COLLECTION AGENCY IS THAT THEY ARE ARRESTED ON THE WARRANT.

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YOU KNOW, IF BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE COLLECTION, THE COURT DOES NOT HAVE COLLECTION RESOURCES OTHER THAN THE THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE OUTLINED FOR US.

I GUESS I'M WONDERING, WHAT ABOUT THE 58 CASES? YOU KNOW. RIGHT. RIGHT.

MY ARGUMENT IS THEY WERE JUST A TEXT MESSAGE AWAY OR A SPECIAL PROGRAM EVENT AWAY THAT THE COURT HOUSES FROM GETTING THEIR CASES RESOLVED.

COLLECTION FIRMS HISTORICALLY IN TEXAS HAVE BEEN USED BECAUSE THE COURT'S DONE.

WHEN WE ISSUE A WARRANT ON CASE DENTON MUNICIPAL COURT IS NOT DONE, WE SEND A TEXT MESSAGE AND AN EMAIL AND AND EVERY SINGLE MONTH WE HOLD SPECIAL DOCKETS THAT ARE DESIGNED AROUND RESOLVING WARRANT CASES THAT ARE IN WARRANT STATUS.

AND SO WE HAVE NOT GIVEN UP ON CASES JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY MISSED A DOCKET.

AND SO THAT'S THE POLICY QUESTION IS, IS IT WORTH ADDING AN EXTRA BURDEN ON TOP OF CASE RESOLUTION FOR 58 CASES OR HOWEVER MANY DO GET RESOLVED BECAUSE A THIRD PARTY COLLECTION AGENCY IS INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS.

SO YOUR YOUR FEELING IS IN YOUR EXPERIENCE IMPLEMENTING THE NEW THE NEW THINGS THAT YOU HAVE AND THEN THAT YOU FEEL LIKE WE CAN PICK UP THOSE 58 THAT THOSE THOSE CASES OR THE MAJORITY OF THEM CAN BE RESOLVED IN ONE OF THESE OTHER WAYS.

IT'S JUST THOSE 58 HAPPEN TO BE RESOLVED THROUGH A THIRD PARTY FIRM AS OPPOSED TO RESPONDING TO THE TEXT MESSAGE OR COMING TO NIGHT COURT OR WHATEVER THE OPPORTUNITY WAS, CORRECT? CORRECT.

YEAH. AND THE COLLECTION FIRM, THE BENEFIT THERE IS THEY'LL RUN THE PERSON THROUGH PUBLIC DATA RECORDS, ETCETERA, AND ATTEMPT TO FIND BETTER ADDRESSES AND CONTACT INFORMATION THAN THE COURT HAS.

SO THAT'S THE THE BENEFIT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF USING A COLLECTION FIRM.

BUT THE BALANCE IS ADDING A 30% FEE TO ALL CASES 60 DAYS AFTER A WARRANT HAS BEEN ISSUED AND THE COURT HAS JUST NOT GIVEN UP ON RESOLVING THOSE CASES.

AND WE'RE STILL VERY GOOD AT ARRIVING AT CASE RESOLUTION, EVEN AFTER A WARRANT HAS BEEN ISSUED.

MAYOR, CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP TO THAT ALL MEANS? SO OPTION TWO, AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM YOUR PRESENTATION, IS THE IS THE PROPOSAL FROM THE COLLECTION AGENCY THAT THAT'S HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO STRUCTURE PAYMENT GOING FORWARD? IS THAT THE ONLY OPTION BECAUSE OF CHANGES IN THE WAY WE DO THINGS AND CHANGES THE WAY THEY DO THINGS? IS THERE A ROOM AT ALL FOR NEGOTIATION OF SOMETHING MORE LIKE THE THE OLD WAY? WE DID IT EXACTLY LIKE THAT.

I'M WONDERING IF OPTION THREE DOESN'T EXIST OR IF OPTION THREE JUST ISN'T SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE PUT FORWARD YET OR SAID THEY'D BE OKAY WITH.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A AN ALL OR NOTHING STRATEGY THAT'S DEFINITELY NEEDED.

I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S ON THE TABLE.

SO YEAH, I THINK THAT A STATUS QUO, IF THAT'S THE POLICY DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, THEN THAT'S WHAT I WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COLLECTION AGENCY.

THEY HAVEN'T SAID WE'RE DONE AND WE'RE LEAVING DENTON IF, IF IT'S THIS OR THAT.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO ON THESE VARIOUS CASES THAT WE HAVE, SORT OF.

WHAT HAVE WE GOT? 112, 160 ISH, 150 SOMETHING TOTAL.

IN 2022, YOUR COURT AND YOUR STAFF WERE ABLE TO RESOLVE.

94% OF THEM IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT THE SLIDE.

DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT STAFF AND SUFFICIENT TIME AND FTE FRACTIONS TO TO RESOLVE THOSE SORTS OF THINGS? IF WE WERE TO GO WITH NUMBER ONE, FOR INSTANCE, WITH THE CURRENT BUDGET, YES, WE HAVE ONE FTE THAT WERE TWO FTES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON ACTIVELY GETTING FILLED AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TOOLS AND EVERYTHING TO DO IT.

OKAY. AND THEN JUST GO THERE IS THAT THOSE CASES THAT WERE RESOLVED BY THE COURT DID AND WE RESOLVED DID NOT HAVE THE BURDEN OF AN ADDITIONAL 30% THAT WE THEN HAD TO COLLECT ON ON TOP OF WHAT YOU SAVED TIME ON DOING THAT.

YEAH. SO $50 PER MONTH PAYMENT PLAN ADDING THE 30% ON WOULD RESULT IN 3 OR 4 MORE MONTHS THAT THE PERSON WOULD BE UNDER COURT SUPERVISION WHILE THAT PAYMENT PLAN WAS BEING RESOLVED WITH THE COURT, THAT MANY MORE CONTACTS THAT COURT STAFF WOULD HAVE TO MAKE WITH THE INDIVIDUAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO MISS A PAYMENT AND THEN CASE TO GO BACK INTO WARRANT STATUS.

AND SO THAT EXTRA BURDEN WASN'T THERE.

YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THAT THAT THAT THAT REALLY ADDS CLARITY.

JUST JUST FOR FOR MOST OF YOUR CASES, ARE THEY ARE THEY DENTON RESIDENTS OR ARE THEY EXTRA

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JURISDICTIONAL, AS IT WERE? DO WE KNOW IS IT SOMETHING YOU CAN TELL ME? I WE COULD WE COULD GET THAT FOR YOU DON'T KNOW.

OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD. NO.

MY GUESS IS THAT A MAJORITY OF THEM WOULD BE DENTON RESIDENTS.

BUT WITH 35 COMING THROUGH AND YOU AND STUDENTS AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE MAJOR HIGHWAY, THERE ARE PROBABLY A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF DENTON.

AND SO MY FINAL QUESTION IS, IF WE HAVE A MAGICAL STATUS QUO OPTION THREE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOUR COURT WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE OR YOU REALLY WOULD JUST LIKE US TO EXPLORE ONE AND TWO? BECAUSE THE QUESTIONS ASKED.

I PERSONALLY HAVE PHILOSOPHICAL TROUBLE WITH USING A COLLECTION FIRM IN A CRIMINAL COURT SETTING.

THERE ARE COURTS WHO ARE FINE WITH USING THAT.

BUT AND THEN THE LETTER ITSELF THAT WAS PRESENTED SAYS THAT THAT WE'RE MOVING IN THE THE SAME DIRECTION.

BUT I FEEL THAT THE THE GOALS OF A COURT AND ADMINISTRATING JUSTICE, NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE SUPERVISE THE COLLECTION FIRM AND WHAT THEY DO AND THE JOB THAT THEY PERFORM FOR THE COURT, THERE'S JUST STILL SOME CLASH IN THE GOALS OF BOTH OF THOSE ENTITIES.

IN RECENT YEARS, THE COURT HAS ATTEMPTED TO BE A KINDER, GENTLER COURT, GIVING PEOPLE METHODS FOR RESOLVING THE TICKET, MAKING SURE IT STAYS OFF RECORDS. ET.

CURRENT STATUS QUO.

IF YOU GO TO LINEBERGER, YOU PAY YOUR TICKET.

IT'S A CONVICTION BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING IT IN FULL.

THERE'S NO OPTION THROUGH LINEBERGER TO SEE WHAT YOUR OPTIONS ARE FOR RESOLVING THE CHARGE TO KEEP IT OFF YOUR RECORD DRUG PARAPHERNALIA TICKET.

IF THEY PAY THAT THROUGH LINEBERGER, IT'S GOING TO GO ON THEIR RECORD.

THERE'S NO OPTIONS FOR EXPUNCTION.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE STATUS QUO BRINGS.

AND MY GOAL IS TO ENSURE THAT EVERYBODY WHO APPEARS BEFORE THE COURT KNOWS ALL OF THEIR OPTIONS, NOT JUST WE'RE SEEKING, WE'RE NOT JUST SEEKING RESOLUTION, WE'RE SEEKING JUST RESOLUTIONS.

AND SO THE GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE IF AN INDIVIDUAL THAT THEY KNOW THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR KEEPING TICKETS OFF THE RECORD AND THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO DO SO.

I APPRECIATE THAT. I WAS ACTUALLY PARTICULARLY MOVED BY BY THAT NARRATIVE.

SO I'M READY TO GIVE DIRECTION THAT I'LL GO WITH THE JUDGE'S RECOMMENDATION FOR NUMBER ONE.

ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN. MCGEE. OR.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'VE WHY? I'M DEFINITELY ALSO PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN AND HEARING MR. DAVIS'S FOLLOW UP AS WELL, AS WELL AS MR. WATTS COMMENTS. GIVEN THAT THERE ARE LAWYERS AND MAYOR, FEEL FREE TO REIN ME IN IF I'M OUT OVER MY SKIS HERE.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FIRST OFF, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER.

THAT WAS A GREAT ANSWER.

IF THIS BODY WANTED TO SUPPORT A RESOLUTION TO SEND PRESIDENT BIDEN TO HAVE YOU BE THE NEXT SUPREME COURT NOMINEE, I'M ALL FOR IT.

JUST FYI, I LIKE MY JOB HERE.

OOH, GOOD ANSWER.

OKAY, SO MY QUESTION IS.

YOU FEEL THAT YOU OFFER MORE CHOICES, MORE TRANSPARENCY TO FOLKS THAN THAN THE COLLECTION AGENCY? HAVE YOU HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION WITH THE AGENCY TO GET THEM TO INCREASE SOME OF THEIR OPTIONS, TO MAYBE DO SOME OF THIS STUFF FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY'RE COLLECTING FOR FROM THE CITY OF DENTON? IS THAT EVEN AN OPTION THAT MIGHT NOT BE AN OPTION? I'M JUST I'M CURIOUS.

SO IT GOES BACK TO WHAT'S A JUDGE ROLE VERSUS WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE'S ROLE.

THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE JUDGE CAN DELEGATE OUT AND THAT'S THAT'S JUST NOT ONE OF THEM.

SO AND EXPLAINING OPTIONS TO AN A DEFENDANT AND HAVING THEM ENTER A PLEA IS REALLY A JUDICIAL ROLE.

SO FARMING THAT OUT TO A THIRD PARTY WOULD BE.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME ETHICAL ISSUES WITH HEADING DOWN THAT ROUTE.

FAIR ENOUGH. FAIR ENOUGH.

I APPRECIATE MAYOR PRO TEM QUESTIONS.

I LOVE THE NOTE ABOUT FOLKS TRAVELING ON 35 THROUGH THE CITY OF DENTON.

I'M. AND WHY THAT QUESTION IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT TO ME IS BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE BURDEN IS.

IF WE'RE PUTTING PERHAPS UNDUE BURDEN ON CITY OF DENTON RESIDENTS, I'M ALL FOR IT.

AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

SO I GUESS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IS.

I FAVOR WHAT MR. WHAT MR. DAVIS WAS, I BELIEVE, ALLUDING TO TO SEE WHAT OPTION THREE WE HAVE.

SO MY CONCERN IS YOUR TWO YOUR TWO EMPLOYEES, THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE JUST TRAVELING THROUGH AND ARE GOING TO GO OFF TO ANOTHER STATE, WHICH IS WHERE

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THEY LIVE. DO WE HAVE THE THE ABILITY TO COLLECT FINES EVEN FROM THEM? I WOULD IMAGINE THAT SOMETIMES THAT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF INVESTIGATION AND BE ABLE TO TRACK THOSE FOLKS DOWN AND GET THAT MONEY.

DO DO YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE THAT CAPACITY IF WE GOT RID OF THE COLLECTION AGENCY THERE WITH THAT SPECIFIC PART FOR FOLKS OUT OF STATE? YEAH, THAT GOES BACK TO THE RESULTS IN LAST YEAR'S CASES IS THAT WE'RE 87% RESOLVED OR IN RESOLUTION STATUS FROM EVERY CASE THAT WAS FILED WITH THE COURT LAST YEAR. AND IT'S NOT JUST MONEY.

I KNOW THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON.

BUT I ALLOW FOLKS TO DO COMMUNITY SERVICE AND THEY ASK, DO I HAVE TO COME BACK TO DENTON TO DO IT? AND IT'S NO, AS LONG AS YOU'RE DOING COMMUNITY SERVICE FOR NONPROFIT AGENCY THAT'S IN YOUR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE I SEE PEOPLE BY ZOOM, THE COURT STILL HAS HAS VIRTUAL COURT ON ON MOST OF OUR DOCKETS.

SO SOMEBODY BY ZOOM CAN APPEAR IN AND REQUEST COMMUNITY SERVICE TO RESOLVE THE BALANCE EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT HERE.

THIS QUESTION MIGHT GO BACK TO YOUR FIRST ANSWER, GIVEN THAT THE COURT HAS HAD MUCH BETTER RESULTS COLLECTING THOSE FINES THAN LINEBARGER.

WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION TO THEM ABOUT THE THE DISPROPORTIONATE COLLECTION BETWEEN THE CITY AND LINEBARGER? UM, NO, THAT THAT DISCUSSION WAS NOT HAD.

AND I ASSUME THAT CAN'T BE.

THAT WOULD BE OUT OF YOUR PURVIEW.

YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE THAT, CORRECT? IF THE POLICY DIRECTIVE FROM COUNCIL IS TO GO BACK AND DISCUSS FURTHER, DISCUSS WITH LINEBARGER, THEN THEN I COULD DO THAT. I GUESS.

IF I MAY, MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT MR. WATTS IS GOING TO SAY AS A LAWYER, BEFORE I BEFORE I GIVE MY DIRECTION.

AND YOURSELF AS WELL. SURE.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE IT. YEAH.

SO I'LL JUST I'LL BE BRIEF.

BUT I THINK I THINK, JUDGE, I TAKE YOUR POINT, BUT I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT.

YEAH. SO SHORT ANSWER IS I WOULD WANT, I WOULD WANT TO SEE SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE AS A PROCESS SERVER, I UNDERSTAND.

AND TECHNOLOGY CONTINUES TO GET BETTER.

YOUR TECHNOLOGY IS GREAT, BUT TECHNOLOGY ALSO GETS BETTER.

I'M TALKING TO TWO APARTMENT OWNERS THAT ARE SAYING YOU CAN NOW GENERATE FAKE WORK HISTORY TO THEN QUALIFY FOR AN APARTMENT, YOU KNOW? SO IT'S JUST THE CHALLENGES ARE THERE.

AND AS A PROCESS SERVER, I'LL TELL YOU, I MEAN, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND PEOPLE SOMETIMES.

SO ELLENBERGER THAT HAS A DATABASE AND RESOURCES NATIONWIDE, FINDING AND LOCATING PEOPLE IN COMBINATION WITH YOUR COMPASSION AND HEART FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO SAY, FIND THIS PERSON AND SEND THEM TO ME OR PIN THEM.

BUT THERE'S ALSO THE PART OF ME THAT SAYS ONE SIZE DOESN'T FIT ALL.

I ABSOLUTELY APPLAUD YOUR OFFICE FOR THE 87%, AND I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW.

BUT THERE'S ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR BETWEEN THAT AND 10% OF PEOPLE.

I MEAN, IT'S THEY'RE NOT EASILY MOTIVATED, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE A WARRANT.

AND THERE MOST COURTS AREN'T ACCEPTING AND AREN'T GOING TO WORK WITH THEM.

SO THEY'RE RISK ADVERSE ALREADY TO TO COMING IN AND TALKING TO YOU OR OH, MAN, THEY'RE GOING TO LOCK ME UP AND I GOT TO DO IT.

THEY JUST DON'T KNOW. RIGHT.

AND SO I THINK SOMETHING THAT THAT IS A CROSS SECTION OF THE RESOURCES THAT LINEBERGER BRINGS WITH THE HEART THAT YOU HAVE FOR IN COMPASSION FOR THOSE IN OUR CITY. BUT JUST UNDERSTANDING I MEAN, I BOUGHT A BRAND NEW PHONE FROM SPRINT AND IT WON'T STOP RINGING FROM SOME I DON'T KNOW WHO DOUG IS, RIGHT, BUT HE HAD THE NUMBER BEFORE AND IT'S LESS THAN GREAT AND I WISH HE'D CALL THESE PEOPLE BACK.

BUT BUT I'M JUST SAYING, THE TECHNOLOGY JUST ALLOWS YOU TO SWITCH AND CHANGE AND, YOU KNOW, PHONES AT TEMPORARY NUMBERS, AND IT'S JUST HAVING THAT RESOURCE, THAT DATABASE THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING.

BUT I ABSOLUTELY TAKE YOUR POINT.

ONE, I LOVE YOUR HEART FOR THE CITY THAT DENTON I LOVE YOUR COMPASSION ABOUT, HEY, NO, WE'RE NOT COLLECTING YOUR 30% FOR YOU.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT ON YOUR OWN.

AND THEN THE THIRD COMPONENT OF THAT IS KIND OF, HEY, REDIRECT PEOPLE TO US OR SOMETHING THAT THEN ALLOWS THEM TO BE KIND OF KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT WHAT THEIR WHAT THEIR THEIR RIGHTS ARE OR THEIR CAPABILITIES.

AND MAYBE THERE'S JUST KIND OF LIKE A A LINE ITEM FINDER FEE KIND OF THING.

AND THEN THEN WE TAKE IT FROM THERE.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT I WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO YOUR CONCERNS AND ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE AND WORK WITH YOU, BUT ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S A PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT AREN'T GOING TO YOU CAN'T TEXT THEM BECAUSE THE NUMBER CHANGED.

YOU KNOW, I'M RECEIVING THAT TEXT MESSAGE ON MY NEW PHONE.

AND AND SO THAT'S A CHALLENGE IS HOW DO WE BRIDGE TECHNOLOGY AND SERVE PEOPLE WELL.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY ASK, IS THAT THERE'S A THIRD OPTION THAT WE LOOK AT AND LEVERAGE THAT NATIONAL DATABASE THAT THEY HAVE.

COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S. YEAH.

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YOU KNOW, JUDGE, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST SO RESPECT YOU THE WAY YOU HANDLE THE QUESTIONS.

YOU KNOW, YOUR TRANSPARENCY, YOUR CARE AND CONCERN FOR THOSE WHO COME BEFORE YOU IN YOUR COURTROOM.

IT'S JUST REMARKABLE.

SO WE MADE ONE HELL OF A CHOICE.

AND SO I REALLY THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU'LL TAKE EVERYTHING THAT'S SAID IN THE SPIRIT IN WHICH IT SAID, AND THAT EVEN IMPRESSES ME EVEN MORE.

SO I REALLY JUST JUST HAD THAT MOMENT OF CLARITY AS YOU WERE ANSWERING COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE QUESTION, JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU GO BACK AND DO THIS? I JUST I SO RESPECT YOUR ABILITY TO TRY TO FIND THE PATH THAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO REALLY BENEFIT PEOPLE AND IMPROVE THEIR LIVES.

NO QUESTION.

SO SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SO CLEAR ON THE PROCESS BECAUSE I READ THE BACK UP.

AND SO JUST I JUST WANT TO RUN THROUGH JUST A BRIEF SCENARIO AND YOU CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND.

I GET A TICKET. OKAY.

THE ORIGINAL FINE IS 100 BUCKS.

I DON'T SHOW UP.

I DON'T CALL YOU.

YOU SEND ME ALL THESE THINGS.

AND WITHIN SO MANY DAYS, I GUESS IT GOES.

DOES IT GO TO WARRANT FIRST AFTER TWO COURT DATES AND SIX? YES. YES. OKAY. SO LET'S SAY IT GOES TO WARRANT.

AND I GUESS LET'S JUST FOR NUMBERS SAKE, THE FINE INCREASES TO 1000 BUCKS FROM 100.

THAT MAY NOT BE RIGHT, BUT I JUST WANT TO WORK WITH THE $50 INCREASE, $50, 150 BUCKS.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO IT'S $150.

SO NOW THERE'S A WARRANT OUT FOR SOMEBODY ARREST ON A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR TRAFFIC TICKET OR SOMETHING? YES. SO HOW MANY DAYS AFTER THAT WARRANT IS ISSUED, AT LEAST NOW, DO WE SEND THIS TO COLLECTIONS? 60 DAYS. OKAY.

IS THAT BY STATUTE OR IS THAT A COURT POLICY? IT'S A I BELIEVE IT'S A MINIMUM UNDER 103, A MINIMUM OF 60 DAYS THAT WE WAIT THAT LONG.

OKAY. SO SOMETIMES I GET CONFUSED ON.

SO WE HAVE TO. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO.

WE COULD WAIT LONGER IF WE WANT IT TO.

I BELIEVE SO WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT 103 AGAIN, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.

SO THEN RIGHT NOW.

SO THEN IT GOES TO THIS LAW FIRM.

THEY START SENDING OUT THIS THESE COLLECTION LETTERS AND ALL THESE KINDS OF THINGS.

YES. AND SO THE 30% OF 150 BUCKS IS 40.

WHAT IS THAT, $45, RIGHT? YEAH. DOES THE COURT CONTINUE TO SEND MESSAGES AND THINGS TO THEM AS WELL DURING THE TIME THAT IT'S GONE TO A COLLECTION? YES. OKAY.

YES. EVERY MONTH WE SEND OUT SOMETHING TO EVERY WARRANT IN THE SYSTEM.

YES. SO IT'S EITHER IN COLLECTION THAT YOU SEND OUT OR IT'S NOT.

SO YOU'RE SENDING IT BOTH TO NON WARRANTS AND IN WARRANT, THE CLERKS WILL SEND A MESSAGE SAYING THIS.

THE CASE HAS BEEN REFERRED TO THE JUDGE FOR ISSUANCE OF A WARRANT.

SO I PAUSE A WEEK BEFORE I ISSUE WARRANTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT TEXT MESSAGE TO GO OUT.

AND THAT'S THE FIRST LIKE, OH, NO, THERE'S A WARRANT COMING.

AND THEN AS SOON AS THE WARRANT IS ISSUED, THERE'S ANOTHER MESSAGE THAT GOES OUT SAYING YOUR CASE IS IN WARRANT AND THERE'S A MAILER THAT GOES OUT ONCE THE CASE IS IN WARRANT.

OKAY. AND SO IN THE IN THE AGENDA BACKUP, WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT THE RESOLUTION OF THE CASES THAT LINEBERGER HAD, I FORGOT WHAT IT WAS 58 OR SOMETHING.

AND WE HAD. YOU HAD 133, IS THAT ABOUT 1200? 1200? YES.

SO THOSE ARE EITHER CASES THAT ARE IN WARRANT OR WERE THOSE 1200 ALL CASES THAT WERE ALREADY IN WARRANT SENT TO THE COLLECTION AGENCY OR WERE THEY A COMBINATION OF IN AND OUT IN WARRANTS SENT TO COLLECTION AGENCY? OKAY. THOSE WERE A POOL OF CASES THAT BOTH LINEBERGER AND THE COURT HAD ACCESS TO RESOLVE.

OKAY. SO 1200 PLUS 50.

SO IT'S 1258 OF THAT, THEY RESOLVE 58 AND YOU RESOLVE 1200 DURING THE SAME TIME FRAME.

AND THEY'RE GETTING YEAH, I'M GETTING LETTERS FROM BOTH THE COLLECTION AGENCY AND I'M GETTING LETTERS FROM THE COURT.

YES. OKAY.

THAT'S SO HELPFUL.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO TO ME, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS, NUMBER ONE, THAT'S A THAT'S A GREAT.

SO WHEN THEY COME RESOLVE IT WITH YOU, WITH THE COURT AND LET'S SAY, OH, $150, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WELL, I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY WAS, WELL, IF YOU CAN'T PAY IT ALL AT ONCE, WE MIGHT PUT YOU ON A PAYMENT PLAN.

SO ARE YOU STILL COLLECTING WHAT THAT FEE, WHAT THE FACE VALUE OF THAT FEE WAS OR THAT'S YOUR ATTEMPT IS TO COLLECT WHAT THE FACE VALUE ARE YOU SAYING? WELL, IF YOU RESOLVE IT, WE MAY WAIVE YOUR FEE OF $150 AND DO SOMETHING ELSE.

UM, THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT TRACKS THERE.

SO PAYMENT, PAYMENT PLAN, COMMUNITY SERVICE, IF THERE IS INDIGENT WAIVER OR TIME SERVED, IF THEY'VE BEEN ARRESTED ON IT, IF THEY'VE BEEN HELD WHILE THE CASE WAS IN WARRANT STATUS, THEN THERE COULD BE JAIL TIME SERVED ON IT.

AND AND GIVEN THAT AND SO YOU'RE SAYING I COULD COME TO YOUR COURT AND SAY, HEY, JUDGE, YOU KNOW, HELP ME.

AND YOU SAY, OKAY, IF YOU'LL DO SO MANY HOURS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE, WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY THAT FEE.

RIGHT. OR, JUDGE, CAN I PAY IT OUT $50 A MONTH OR I'M INDIGENT, I'M BROKE.

I CAN'T. AND WE'LL FIND SOME OTHER RESOLUTION.

CORRECT. MOST OF THOSE ARE STATUTORILY REQUIRED FOR THE JUDGE TO DISCUSS WITH THE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS AN OUTSTANDING BALANCE.

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SO, YEAH, THOSE OPTIONS ARE STATUTE, NOT JUST DENTON.

THAT IS SO HELPFUL BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT.

THAT ALL THOSE CASES WERE BOTH IN COLLECTION.

SO THE PEOPLE WHO RESOLVED IT IN COLLECTION, THEY'RE PAYING.

I'M GOING TO PAY 45 MORE DOLLARS WITH NONE OF THOSE OTHER OPTIONS THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED.

RIGHT. THAT'S GREAT.

WHAT IS THERE A TIME FRAME WHERE YOUR EFFORTS WERE NOT PRODUCTIVE AND WERE NOT AND RESULTED IN NOTHING TO WHERE YOU THINK IT SHOULD GO TO? LIKE IT'S LIKE, OKAY, IF YOU'VE TRIED FOR 90 DAYS OR FOUR MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE HERE.

I DON'T THINK YOU JUST WANT TO WRITE THEM OFF AND JUST SAY IT.

OR ARE YOU JUST IS YOUR YOUR THOUGHTS AND YOUR YOUR DESIRE TO JUST SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO TRY IT.

AND IF SOMEHOW THEY JUST KEEP PUTTING US OFF AND KEEP PUTTING US OFF, THEN THEY'RE EITHER GOING TO GET ARRESTED BECAUSE THEY GET PULLED OVER WITH AN ACTIVE WARRANT OR THEY JUST.

NOTHING HAPPENS TO HIM.

YES. IT'S THE SECOND OF THE TWO STATEMENTS THAT YOU SAID.

SO I CAN'T REMEMBER THE TWO STATEMENTS I MADE.

THE COURT CONTINUES, CONTINUES TO USE OUR EFFORTS TO RESOLVE RESOLVE THE TICKET.

SO BUT THE GOOD POINT THERE, THOUGH, IS WHAT'S SCARIER.

YOU'VE BEEN REFERRED TO COLLECTIONS OR YOU HAVE A WARRANT.

SO THE COURT CONTROLS THE SCARIER OF THE TWO.

THAT GENERALLY PROMPTS PEOPLE IN TO SAY, LET'S GET IN THERE AND AND GET THAT RESOLVED.

SO YEAH, HONESTLY, GIVEN GIVEN THOSE THOUGHTS AND I AND I GUESS IT'S BECAUSE I JUST I PLACE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN YOUR ABILITY TO BE FAIR, BUT ALSO TO BE JUST THAT IF SOMEBODY JUST SORT OF JACKING US AROUND.

YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HAD YOUR CHANCE.

YOU'RE IN HERE 90 DAYS LATER.

YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LITTLE LESS LENIENT THAN IF THEY'RE IN THERE ON THE 60 DAYS AFTER THE WARRANTS ISSUED.

I CERTAINLY AM NOT IN FAVOR OF US COLLECTING THAT 30% FEE AT ALL.

I MEAN, IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO WORK, THEY'RE GOING TO IF THEY'RE GOING TO GET PAID, THEY NEED TO DO DO SOME WORK.

I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE NOT DOING ANY WORK.

I COULD BE. I MIGHT REGRET THIS.

I DON'T THINK I WILL.

BUT I'M GOING TO GO WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S POST-PANDEMIC AND ALL THESE KINDS OF THINGS, TO SEE HOW THIS AND IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SORT OF HAVE UPDATES IF THAT'S THE POLICY THAT MOVES FORWARD ON SORT OF HOW MANY PEOPLE RESOLVE IT WITHIN SO MANY DAYS OF WARRANT.

WHAT ARE THE FEES? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS BESIDES PAYMENT? AND I THINK YOU CAN KEEP TRACK OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY EITHER REQUEST EXPUNGEMENT OR DO THEY RECEIVE.

DO YOU EVER GET NOTICE OF IF SOMEONE'S IF THEY'VE REQUESTED IT, YOU PROBABLY TRACK THAT.

DO YOU DO IS THERE A WAY TO FIND OUT IF THEY RECEIVED IT THAT WE OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE STATE DATABASE AND WE HAVE NO ACCESS TO IT? WE COULD PROBABLY PULL THOSE NUMBERS.

SO NORMALLY IF AN EXPUNCTION IS FILED, THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR IT AND IT'S GOING TO BE GRANTED.

OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN USUALLY GO OFF THAT NUMBER AND IF THEY IF THERE'S 100 FILED, PROBABLY 100 HAVE BEEN GRANTED.

IF NOT, IT'S A VERY DE MINIMIS PERCENTAGE, THOSE LANDING STATUS.

IS THAT RIGHT? SO.

SORRY, MY COURT ADMINS HERE.

YOU GOT IT. OH, THEY'RE GONE. THEY'RE GONE.

YOU GOT IT. YOU GOT TO COME UP TO THE MIC IF YOU'RE GOING TO.

OH, THAT IS CORRECT. SO SORRY.

EXPUNCTION IS EXPUNCTION.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW.

OKAY, SO YEAH, THAT'S TOUGH.

NO, THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS CAUGHT THAT BEFORE I DID.

SO YEAH, IT'S GONE.

NO, NO, NO. I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND.

AND I THINK SHE SAID SOMETHING LAST TIME THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT, AND THAT IS.

I KNOW I'M OUT OF TIME IS THAT IF IT'S AN EXPUNGEMENT YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE IF YOU ARE ASKED ON AN APPLICATION OR AN APARTMENT APPLICATION, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPORT THAT BECAUSE IT'S EXPUNGED.

IT CHANGES THE LEGAL STATUS, THE LEGAL STATUS OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

SO THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT YOU SAID IT MUCH BETTER THAN I DID.

SO MY DIRECTION IS TO GO WITH THE JUDGE'S RECOMMENDATION AND TO GET SOME UPDATES ON THE NUMBERS.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN BYRD. MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO WITH THE A DISCONTINUE USE OF THIRD PARTY COLLECTION FORM.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

JUDGE, I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU MY KIND OF REMAINING CONCERN HERE AND HAVE YOU RESPOND TO IT.

AND I'LL TRY TO BE REALLY BRIEF.

WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS KIND OF THE TIME SERVED FOLKS OR THE FOLKS WHO AREN'T FROM HERE.

THEY, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE HAVE BAD INFORMATION OR FOR WHAT THEY'RE NOT RESPONDING TO OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND THEY GET PICKED UP ON A WARRANT SOMEPLACE.

LET'S EVEN GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT AND SAY THEY DON'T KNOW THEY'VE GOT A WARRANT.

MOST OF THEM ARE GOING TO KNOW THEY HAVE A WARRANT.

THEY'VE GOT ALL YOUR COMMUNICATION.

BUT LET'S SAY THEY DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THAT DOES HAPPEN.

SOMEBODY GETS PICKED UP ON A WARRANT.

THEY SEND THEY SPEND A NIGHT IN DALLAS JAIL OR ARLINGTON CITY OR WHATEVER IT IS.

AND IF THEY DON'T, IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY GET TIME SERVED.

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THEY'VE STILL GOT TO SHOW UP AND RESOLVE IT WITH YOU.

DALLAS ISN'T GOING TO SEND THEM TO DENTON CITY.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TRANSFER THEM TO DENTON COUNTY.

ANOTHER STATE'S NOT GOING TO EXTRADITE SOMEBODY.

THEY'RE PROBABLY EVEN GOING TO NOT GOING TO ARREST ON THAT CLASS C WARRANT.

SO SO WE HAVE THIS WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, WHETHER IT'S 58 THAT LINEBERGER PICKED UP OR WHETHER IT'S A LARGER NUMBER THAT JUST STAYS UNRESOLVED.

WHAT MY CONCERN IS.

THE FOLKS WHO BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T GETTING BOTHERED BY THE SCARY ONE AND THE NOT QUITE SO SCARY ONE, THEY DON'T RESOLVE THEIR STUFF.

THEY HAVE THESE OUTSTANDING WARRANTS FOR A LONG TIME AND THEY END UP SPENDING A NIGHT IN JAIL WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO.

AND AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE DOING AS MUCH AS YOU CAN AND PROBABLY LOOKING AT WAYS TO DO EVEN MORE.

IF I KNOW YOU, YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT EVEN THE NEXT STEP IS TO REDUCE THAT NUMBER FURTHER.

BUT IF THERE'S NOT A COLLECTION OPTION, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE A WARRANT FOREVER UNTIL IT REALLY JAMS THEM UP ONE DAY? YEAH. SO TO THE SPECIFIC FACT SCENARIO, WE'VE GOT A WARRANT TEAM THAT ARE COMPOSED OF BAILIFF AND THEN SOME PD OFFICERS AND THEN A CIVILIAN WHO HANDLE EVERY CASE THAT WHERE WE HAVE CONFIRMED ON A WARRANT THAT BELONGS TO THE COURT, THEY IMMEDIATELY DECIDE BASED ON PARAMETERS I'VE GIVEN THEM, WHETHER A PAYMENT PLAN WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO SECURE A QUICK RELEASE.

IF IT'S DURING BUSINESS HOURS, THEY'LL SEND A PAYMENT PLAN APPLICATION FORM WITHIN THE PARAMETERS THAT I'VE GIVEN THEM.

THE PERSON CAN REVIEW THAT AND SAY YES OR NO, THAT THEY LIKE THAT IDEA OR THEY DON'T, AND THEN SIGN UP FOR IT AND THEN THEY'RE RELEASED WITHIN A COUPLE HOURS.

SO THAT FORM THEN COMES BACK TO ME.

I VERIFY. I MAKE SURE IT'S WITHIN THE GUIDELINES I'VE GIVEN THAT OFFICE AND THEN SIGN OFF ON IT.

THE PERSON'S ON A PAYMENT PLAN AND SO WARRANT DOESN'T STICK AROUND AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO SIT ON IT.

IT COULD BE A NIGHT IN JAIL THOUGH.

THAT'S THAT'S VALID.

AND THEN IF NEEDED, THEN I COULD SEND EITHER MY BAILIFF OR A WARRANT TEAM TO DALLAS TO GO PICK UP SOMEBODY.

IT'S RARE THAT WE DO THAT POST-COVID.

IT WAS MORE COMMON BEFORE.

FORT WORTH HAS A TEAM OF, I THINK, 13 MARSHALS WHO DO PICKUPS ACROSS THE METROPLEX.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT IF WE NEED TO.

IF SOMEBODY HAS 20 OUTSTANDING TICKETS AND THEY'VE SKIRTED JUSTICE FOR MANY, MANY MOONS, THEN WE CAN GO GRAB THEM IF THEY'VE BEEN PICKED UP BY ANOTHER AGENCY.

OKAY. ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU AND TELL ME IF THIS NEEDS TO BE A CLOSED SESSION QUESTION OR NOT.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND POSE IT.

YOUR OBJECTION TO USING A THIRD PARTY AGENCY IS NOT CONTINGENT ON THIS PARTICULAR AGENCY OR THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT OR THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE. ALTHOUGH YOU HAVE SOME EXTRA HEARTBURN ABOUT COLLECTING THE FEE FOR THEM, IT'S USING A THIRD PARTY COLLECTION FIRM AT ALL JUST ON PHILOSOPHICAL REASONS. CORRECT.

I THINK IT'S FINE TO SAY LINEBERGER HAS A GREAT REPUTATION IN IN THE STATE.

THEY WERE THE COLLECTION FIRM FOR FORT WORTH WHERE I CAME FROM.

AND SO, NO, THERE ARE NO ISSUES WITH THIS PARTICULAR THIRD PARTY COLLECTION AGENCY STATED WITHOUT A ENDORSEMENT BY A JUDGE FOR THEM TO USE IN THE FUTURE.

BECAUSE ETHICALLY, I CAN'T DO THAT.

SO NO, IT'S BEEN NO ISSUES WITH THIS THIRD PARTY COLLECTION AGENCY.

IT'S JUST THE CONCEPT OF COLLECTION FIRMS IN GENERAL.

DO YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE NOT USING COLLECTION AGENCIES? I DO. I DO.

BUT I'M NOT SURE I'M COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO SAY.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF THEY ARE.

YEAH, THERE ARE LARGER CITIES WHO DON'T USE COLLECTION AGENCIES THAT ARE ACTIVELY ADOPTING THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

YEAH. OKAY. MAYOR, I THINK I'M FINE WITH THE JUDGE'S PROPOSAL.

I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE UPDATES THOUGH, KIND OF SEE HOW WE'RE DOING.

I STILL WORRY ABOUT THE 58, BUT I THINK I'M FINE WITH TRYING THIS OUT.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF OF MY COLLEAGUES.

IT REALLY HELPED INFORM MY DECISION.

I ALSO APPRECIATE THE THE OPINION OF OF THE MAYOR HERE.

I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU'VE DONE.

I'M SO THANKFUL FOR YOUR INNOVATION AND AND FOR THE WAY IN WHICH YOU ARE REALLY BEING ATTENTIVE TO TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.

ULTIMATELY, WE SERVE TO TO HELP THEM.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

I, TOO, AM CONCERNED ABOUT ABOUT THE 58, I THINK.

I'M GOING TO FAVOR OPTION TWO ISH.

THREE. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE.

AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME NEGOTIATION WITH THIS VENDOR TO TRY TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF TOUCHES THAT THEY'RE DOING WITH PEOPLE TO GET THEM TO PAY.

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WANT I'D LOVE TO SEE THEM BE ABLE TO OFFER SOME OF THE MORE FLEXIBLE SERVICES THAT THE COURT OFFERS.

MY CONCERN IS JUST PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HERE IN DENTON AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE TRACKING THOSE FOLKS DOWN AND AND COLLECTING ON THAT.

I THINK THE MAYOR KEYED IN ON THAT.

I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT NOTE.

SO I'M.

THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT WE'RE SEEING TREND NATIONAL TRENDS.

CRIME IS GOING UP, WHETHER IT BE VIOLENT CRIME, NON VIOLENT CRIME, CRIME IS GOING UP.

SO I'M CONCERNED THAT AS WE ARE STILL MOVING BEYOND COVID NOW TWO YEARS A YEAR ISH OUT OF COVID CRIME, I BELIEVE CRIME WILL CONTINUE TO GO UP. AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE US IN THE RELATIONSHIP WITH A VENDOR BEFORE WE KIND OF HAVE A HANDLE ON WHERE CRIME IS SETTLING, BECAUSE MY GENERAL LOGIC IS THAT IF CRIME IS GOING UP, THEN I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THOSE WHO ARE DELINQUENT IN THEIR PAYMENTS WOULD ALSO GO UP.

SO FOR THAT REASON, I'M GOING TO I WOULD FAVOR AN OPTION WHERE PERHAPS SOMEONE FROM THE CITY COULD REACH OUT.

IF JUDGE, YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT AND SEE HOW WE CAN WORK AND GET THEM TO IMPROVE SERVICE AND IMPROVE THE RELATIONSHIP IF THAT IS EVEN AN OPTION.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MIGHT NOT BE CONSENSUS FOR THAT HERE, SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

OKAY. YEAH. NO, SO CONSENSUS IS, JUDGE, THAT THAT IT MOVES, THE POLICY CHANGES.

I'LL JUST TELL YOU FROM A THIS WILL COME BACK TO US FOR A VOTE.

IS THAT RIGHT? NO, NO.

CANCEL THE CONTRACT. OKAY.

GOT IT. SO THEN. THEN I'LL SAY I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO COME BACK FOR WORK SESSION.

I'LL SAY I GOT A PHONE CALL TODAY AND THEY SAID THEY HADN'T HEARD FROM ANYONE IN THE OFFICE.

AND THAT'S LESS THAN GREAT FOR ME.

RIGHT. I THINK JUST LIKE WE TALK ABOUT COMMUNICATING WITH PEOPLE, THAT MAY NOT BE TRUE.

AND I'LL CIRCLE BACK WITH YOU BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW.

I WANT TO THEN PUSH BACK ON THAT.

RIGHT. BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I GOT A PHONE CALL SAYING I HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING.

I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA.

AND HERE'S AN EMAIL THAT I'VE NOT READ YET, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE.

SO JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I'M SURE IT'S DOCUMENTED SOMEPLACE.

I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT SO THAT I CAN SHARE THAT.

OBVIOUSLY, JUST LIKE THERE'S A DISPUTE AMONGST THE NUMBERS, I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR REPLY TO THESE SUPPORTING THE POSITION YOU ENDED UP.

AND IF WE'RE IF WE'RE OFF OF YOU OR IF THERE'S SOME IN DISPUTE, I JUST WANT TO HAVE THE ANSWERS I THINK THAT IT DESERVES IN ANY SITUATION.

WHEN I'M WHEN I'M DEALING WITH SOMEONE, THERE'S THINGS, THERE'S QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER.

THERE'S THINGS I CAN'T ANSWER.

BUT THERE'S ALSO THINGS THAT WARRANT A REPLY OR A POSITION OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? AND SO I WOULD JUST ASK YOUR OFFICE AS YOU HAVE TIME TO REVIEW THIS IN A FRIDAY REPORT.

GIVE ME YOUR RESPONSES, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IT'S RIGHT THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

IT'S JUST. AT ALL TIMES.

THIS IS ANY TIME THAT THERE IS A CITY CONTRACT ISSUE.

THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO GO THROUGH LEGAL.

AND SO I'VE BEEN VERY CAUTIOUS TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT CREATING DOCUMENTS THAT DON'T NEED TO BE CREATED OR SENDING YOU SOMETHING THAT BECOMES A BECOMES SOMETHING LATER. AND SO I'LL I'LL MAKE SURE THAT GETS THROUGH LEGAL BACK TO YOU.

I BELIEVE THAT I'M SAYING THAT CORRECTLY.

SO, YES.

YEAH, I JUST WANT TO YES, I NEED TO SEE IT TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE GIVEN NOTICE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT CANCELING BECAUSE I THINK THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO RESPOND.

RIGHT. AND SO IF I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DATE WAS THAT COMMUNICATION WAS DONE NO DIFFERENT THAN WE TALK ABOUT OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS, THEY WOULD SIT THERE AND THEY'D SAY, HEY, DID YOU REACH OUT TO THESE PEOPLE? DID YOU CONNECT WITH THESE PEOPLE? YES OR NO? WHY NOT? THAT SORT OF THING. SO JUST CHECKING BOXES.

COUNCIL MEMBER I TRUST THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE THE DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS, BUT CANCELING THIS CONTRACT, IS THERE GOING TO BE SOME TYPE OF PENALTY INCURRED BECAUSE OF THAT, OR IS THIS THE TIME WHEN IT WOULD BE RENEWED THAT IT IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR US TO IF WE WERE TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION WITHOUT PENALTY? WHERE ARE WE AT ON THAT? THERE'S A 30 DAY, NO FAULT TERMINATION ON THE CONTRACT, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT MORE DETAIL, I GUESS, IN CLOSED SESSION IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DELVE INTO ALL THE POSSIBLE RISKS. BUT NO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT INCURRING A HUGE FEE, THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU. MR.. OKAY.

YEAH. SO JUST IN A LEGAL STATUS, IF I CAN GET THOSE A RESPONSE TO THIS AND COMMUNICATIONS BACK AND FORTH, MAKING SURE THEY WERE GIVEN NOTICE OR NOT GIVEN NOTICE MATTERS NOT WITH THE ANSWER IS I JUST WANT TO KNOW.

I WANT TO BE EDUCATED ON THAT SO THAT I CAN SAY, HEY, YES, YOU DID OR NO, YOU DIDN'T AND GO FROM THERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO OUR LAST DINNERS HERE.

BUT THIS IS ONLY THE TWO MINUTE PITCH.

SO WE'RE GOING TO POWER THROUGH AND THEN EAT AFTERWARDS.

SO IT'S ITEM G.

OH, AND WE HAVE CLOSED SESSION POTENTIALLY.

LET ME LET ME TAKE THAT UP BEFORE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN KNOW.

DO YOU WHAT IS YOUR WHAT IS YOUR POSITION ON THAT? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ITEM IN CLOSED SESSION.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.

WE'LL GRAB FOOD AND THEN EAT DURING CLOSED SESSION SO THAT WE'RE READY FOR 630.

ALL RIGHT, THIS IS ITEM G TWO, THREE, TWO, ONE, ONE.

[G. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on pending City Council requests for: 1). A Work Session to discuss which aspects of Prop B the City Council can give effect to, and how.]

[03:30:02]

RECEIVE, REPORT, HOLD, DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON PENDING CITY COUNCIL REQUEST.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS JENNIFER RAINEY, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

AS A REMINDER OF THE WORK SESSION PROCESS, UP TO SEVEN REQUESTS WILL BE REVIEWED PER MEETING.

TODAY WE HAVE ONE STAFF WILL INTRODUCE EACH REQUEST AND THEN THE ELECTED OFFICIAL WILL MAKE THE REQUEST.

WE'LL HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES TO DESCRIBE AND JUSTIFY THEIR REQUEST.

STAFF WILL THEN RESPOND TO ALL REQUESTS WHERE A CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL IS ESTABLISHED AS GUIDELINES FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO NOTE AND OFFER THEIR PRIORITY WHILE SUPPORTING AN ITEM.

THE FOLLOWING GENERAL CATEGORIZATION CAN BE USED WITH HIGH, MODERATE OR LOW.

AND WE HAVE ONE ITEM TODAY A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS WHICH ASPECTS OF PROP B THE CITY COUNCIL CAN GIVE EFFECT TO AND HOW.

COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, IF YOU'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE US, THANK YOU.

SO AS WRITTEN, IT'S VERY SIMPLE.

I'D LIKE TO HAVE A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS WHAT WE CAN DO TO EFFECTUATE PROP B.

YOU ALL HEARD ME LAST TIME SAY THAT I WASN'T IN FAVOR OF AN ALL OR NOTHING.

LOOK AT THAT. I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN OUR PURVIEW AS A CITY.

THINGS WE DO HAVE THE LEGAL JURISDICTION AND AUTHORITY TO DO.

I'LL REITERATE, I DON'T THINK AND I THINK MOST CITY ATTORNEYS IN THE STATE AGREE WITH ME THAT THERE'S LARGE PORTIONS OF PROPOSITION B THAT WE CAN GIVE ABSOLUTELY NO LEGAL EFFECT TO AS A CITY COUNCIL.

THE VOTERS CAN'T DO IT AND WE CAN'T DO IT.

AND THAT'S JUST THE STATE OF THE LAW.

HOWEVER, 90% OF WHAT WE DO IN THIS ROOM AND OUT ON THE DAIS IS MONEY.

SO I THINK THAT THERE ARE ITEMS IN PROP B THAT WE CAN LOOK AT, AND I THINK THAT IT'S FAIR FOR THE VOTERS TO ASK US, WHAT CAN WE DO? I THINK IT'S FAIR FOR THEM TO BE FRUSTRATED WHEN WE ARE FULL OF SORRY YOU ALL VOTED FOR IT, BUT WE CAN'T.

WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T.

I THINK IT'S FAIR TO HAVE AT LEAST THE POLICY CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE A WORK SESSION FRAMED IN THAT WAY.

I DON'T WANT TO TALK ANY MORE ABOUT WHAT WE WHAT WE CAN'T DO AND DISAGREEMENT THAT PRIVATE ATTORNEYS HAVE ON THAT.

I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO EFFECTUATE THE WILL OF THE VOTERS, EVEN IF THAT'S PRETTY LIMITED.

AND I'D BE FINE WITH WHATEVER PRIORITY THE BODY ASSIGNS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ANY. COUNCILMAN.

BYRD. I REALLY DON'T SEE WHERE THAT'S UNREASONABLE.

YOU KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO? IF THERE IS ANYTHING WE CAN DO, IT DOES ALLOW US TO JUST KIND OF CLEAN IT ALL UP, CLEAN THE CONVERSATION UP, AND IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT, YOU KNOW, WILL HELP US ALL COME TO A COLLECTIVE UNDERSTANDING, THEN I CAN I CAN CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE DISCUSSION.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH.

I MEAN, THE DEFAULT SHOULD ALWAYS BE THAT WE.

WE SHOULD ALREADY BE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO IMPLEMENT A PROPOSAL THAT HAS BEEN DULY ORDAINED BY THE CITY.

I MEAN, WE SHOULD BE THAT THE DEFAULT SHOULD BE THAT THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

SO ABSOLUTELY, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT ANY STEPS THAT GET US TO DOING THAT.

BUT KNOWING I'M SAYING IT OUT LOUD RIGHT NOW, KNOWING THAT WE ALREADY SHOULD BE DOING WHAT THE VOTERS HAVE ASKED HAVE TASKED US WITH DOING.

SO, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT USING THIS TO KICK THE CAN, TO DELAY, TO DILUTE.

I'M COMPLETELY ON BOARD.

HAVING A WORKSTATION.

A WORKSTATION? YEAH, I'D LIKE A WORKSTATION.

A WORK SESSION.

BUT AND I WOULD GIVE THIS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN MCGEE. THANKS, MR. MAYOR. I THINK I APPRECIATE THIS PITCH.

FOR ME, THIS PITCH IS AN ADMISSION THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING EVERYTHING WE WERE ALREADY SUPPOSED TO DO.

I APPRECIATE THIS PITCH.

THE TIME FOR THIS PITCH WAS NOVEMBER 15TH, WHEN WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REAFFIRM WHAT THE VOTERS PASSED ON ELECTION DAY. HAVING SAID THAT, OF COURSE I SUPPORT IT.

WE SHOULD ALREADY BE DOING THIS.

I DO FEAR THAT A WORK SESSION IS GOING TO END UP WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY, OUR CITY MANAGER, OUR POLICE CHIEF, OUR STAFF TELLING US THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

I WANTED TO ACTUALLY YIELD RESULTS.

SO YES, I FULLY SUPPORT DOING THIS.

THANKS FOR MAKING THE PITCH, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET SOMEWHERE AND WE'RE ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING.

THE VOTERS DESERVE THIS, SO THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILWOMAN WATSON.

YEAH. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AS MY TIME STARTED.

WELL, HERE WE GO. GO AHEAD.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS WORK SESSION.

[03:35:03]

I THINK SOME OF THE RHETORIC HERE IS INTERESTING, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO EXACTLY WHAT THE PROCESS IS.

AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, CHRISTINE BRAY CAME AND TALKED TO US DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SHE SAID, I'M CONFUSED.

AND I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL.

SO IF A WORK SESSION WILL HELP CLEAR UP SOME OF THIS CONFUSION AND HELP US TO GAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY.

BUT IF IF SOME HERE ARE THINKING THAT THIS WORK SESSION IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE CHANGE EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID AND ATTORNEYS AND CITY MANAGERS AND RULES OF OF LAW AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THERE MAY BE SOME DISAPPOINTMENT, BUT I THINK WE CERTAINLY SHOULD HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

I GUESS. MR CITY ATTORNEY, IF I HAVE ENOUGH TIME, IF YOU COULD KEEP AN EYE ON THE STATUS OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S REQUEST TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FROM THAT ONE CITY ABOUT THIS VERY QUESTION, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THOSE QUESTIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ANSWERED WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME FRAME.

IS THAT CORRECT? I'M ALMOST OUT OF TIME, BUT IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THAT AS IT COMES AVAILABLE.

THANK YOU. AND I'LL AFTER I'LL GO AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME IS I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE GO ON RECORD.

THERE WAS ONE NEBULOUS COMMENT TO IT, SO I'LL LEAVE THAT, SET THAT ASIDE.

BUT IF THOSE THAT SUPPORT THIS.

THE POSITION OF FULLY IMPLEMENTING ITS NOT FULLY IMPLEMENTED.

THAT'S NEGOTIABLE.

BUT HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY.

THOSE THAT DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S IN VIOLATION OF STATE LAW, IF YOU BELIEVE IT'S LEGAL, GO ON THE RECORD TO SAY AND SAY SO.

GO ON THE RECORD AND SAY BECAUSE YOU TALK ABOUT THE VOTERS.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE VOTERS.

YOU SAY, OH, THE VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTED THAT.

TRUE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? 100 YEARS AGO, THE VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY SAID, LET'S MOVE AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD OUT OF THIS AREA.

I WANT TO BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY.

I DON'T WANT TO BE WHERE THE OVERWHELMING THE GROUP OF VOTERS DECIDED TO DO TERRIBLE THINGS THAT DECIDED TO VIOLATE THE LAW, DECIDED TO IGNORE CERTAIN SOCIAL ISSUES AND JUST SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON.

SO I DON'T WANT TO BE ON THAT SIDE OF THINGS TO JUST FOLLOW MASS RULE.

RAN OUT OF TIME. ALL RIGHT, CITY MANAGER, YOU GET THE LAST WORD A MINUTE.

I DON'T EVEN NEED A MINUTE.

SO I TAKE OFFENSE PERSONALLY AND PROFESSIONALLY TO THE COMMENTS MADE BECAUSE WE ARE FOLLOWING THE LAW AND WE WILL DO WHAT WE'RE DIRECTED TO DO, WORKING WITH NOT ONLY THE POLICE CHIEF, BUT THE JUDGE AND WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.

BUT I'VE SAID IT A THOUSAND TIMES, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, I DO NOT DIRECT THE POLICE CHIEF.

HE GETS HIS OATH FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS.

I COULD TELL HIM TO BREAK THE LAW, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT I WILL DO AS A PROFESSIONAL.

I WILL DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN FROM A CORNER, TO GO AROUND A CORNER TO MAKE SOMETHING WORK.

BUT I WILL NOT SIT HERE AND TELL YOU THAT I WILL VIOLATE THE STATE LAW.

I WILL NOT DO IT.

OKAY. AND THAT CONCLUDES THAT ITEM.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORK SESSION.

AND I WILL TAKE US INTO THE CITY COUNCIL NOW AT 515 WILL CONVENE IN A CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE THE ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING SIX B ID 23577.

CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS SUPPORTING LEGISLATION TO CREATE TABLE RANCH MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT THROUGH ACT OF THE 88TH LEGISLATURE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 DELIBERATIONS REGARDING REGARD CERTAIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. SECTION 551.087.

WE'RE IN CLOSED SESSION.

WE'LL TAKE A BREAK UNTIL WE'LL COME BACK AT FIVE.

LET'S SAY 540 SHOULD GIVE THEM TIME TO GET THROUGH LINE.

SO 540.

AND IS PLEDGES TO THE UNITED STATES AND TEXAS FLAG.

[AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED:]

PLEASE STAND WITH ME IF YOU'RE ABLE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE.

TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND NEXT THING ON OUR AGENDA IS PROCLAMATION.

[A. Proclamation: Fire Accreditation Award]

[03:40:03]

SO I'LL COME DOWN. BUT IF YOU'RE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROCLAMATION FOR THE ACCREDITATION AWARD, PLEASE COME DOWN AND MEET ME UP FRONT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

HEY, CHIEF. HEY.

HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING? FANCY SEEING YOU ALL AGAIN.

HELLO, EVERYBODY. SO IF YOU CAN TELL EVERYBODY WHAT WE'RE RECOGNIZING AND KIND OF A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS.

SURE. KENNETH HEDGES, FIRE CHIEF.

SO LAST WEEK WE CONCLUDED OVER A THREE YEAR PROCESS TO BECOME AN INTERNATIONALLY ACCREDITED FIRE AGENCY.

I SAY THAT VERY QUICK, BUT IT WAS REALLY BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS OVER THREE PLUS YEARS, I CAN TELL YOU.

FOUR YEARS AGO, WE DID NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO PULL GOOD DATA TO EVEN TELL YOU HOW QUICK OUR UNITS RESPONDED.

NOW WE CAN BREAK THAT DAY DOWN BY UNIT BY RESPONSE ZONES, PLANNING DISTRICTS AND CITY.

WE COMPLETED FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN, ENTIRE COMMUNITY RISK ASSESSMENT OF THE CITY AS A WHOLE AND THE SELF ASSESSMENT.

SO REALLY THE PAST YEAR IT'S BEEN AN ALL YEAR PROCESS TO FINISH UP THE DOCUMENTATION IN WHICH YOU CONCLUDED TO A SITE VISIT BY FOUR DIFFERENT PREDECESSORS LAST NOVEMBER FROM ACROSS THE US.

THEY CAME IN AND THEY VERIFIED AND VALIDATED EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD SUBMITTED AND ALL THIS DOCUMENTATION WAS TRUE AND ACCURATE.

SO IT WAS REALLY A TEAM EFFORT.

I SAY THAT SO OVER 200 MEMBERS THAT DIDN'T FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OVER 20 ACTIVELY PARTICIPATED IN WRITING TO THE ACCREDITATION.

SO WE HAD ALMOST 10% OF OUR DEPARTMENT ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN THIS.

SO IT'S A FIVE YEAR CYCLE.

SO IN FOUR AND A HALF YEARS WE GET TO DO THIS AGAIN.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL EXCITED ABOUT THAT, BUT WE GET TO TAKE A BREATH, WE GET KIND OF CELEBRATE RIGHT NOW.

AND REALLY THE ACCREDITATION PROCESS, IT'S REALLY KIND OF THE GOLD STANDARD IN THE FIRE SERVICE.

SO I KNOW DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ACCREDITATION.

SO WE HAVE BEEN TRIED AND TESTED AND WE HAVE ACHIEVED WHAT, ONLY AROUND 300 OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS INTERNATIONALLY AND WE'RE ONLY THE FOURTH IN THE METROPLEX TO ACTUALLY RECEIVE ACCREDITATION ONLY BEHIND PLANO, SOUTHLAKE AND FRISCO.

SO BIG ACHIEVEMENT FOR US AT THIS POINT.

I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY TEAM.

BRIAN COX ASSISTANT CHIEF OF OPERATIONS.

DAVID BECKER ASSISTANT CHIEF SUPPORT SERVICES.

ALISON SEEING BUSINESS INFORMATION ANALYST.

LINDSAY GARRISON, ADMINISTRATION MANAGER.

WELL, IT WAS AN HONOR TO SEE HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS AND UNDERSTAND THE QUESTIONS AND THE AND THE SCRUTINY.

AND EVEN WHEN YOU GO BACK AFTER THAT FIVE YEARS, THERE'S NEW STUFF TO WORK ON.

SO IT'S IT REALLY IS A HEAVY LIFT.

AND AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, VOLUNTEER HOURS.

RIGHT. LIKE YOUR STAFF AND EVERYONE HAS A VOLUNTEER AND KIND OF PUT THAT TOGETHER I MEAN FIND DOWNTIME TO MAKE TO MAKE ALL THAT WORK.

DO THE REPORTING. RIGHT.

RIGHT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE BEING A MAYOR.

YOU MEAN SHOOTING, RIGHT? YEAH. NO, COME ON IN. THE WATER'S FINE.

SO I HAVE A PROCLAMATION, AND IT READS A MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME.

GREETINGS. WHEREAS THE COMMISSION OF FIRE ACCREDITATION INTERNATIONAL, WHICH IS A CFI, IS DEDICATED TO ASSISTING THE FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES AGENCIES THROUGH THE WORLD IN ACHIEVING EXCELLENCE THROUGH SELF-ASSESSMENT AND ACCREDITATION TO PROVIDE CONTINUOUS QUALITY IMPROVEMENT AND ENHANCE SORT OF ENHANCEMENT OF SERVICE DELIVERY OF THEIR COMMUNITIES.

THE CFI PROCESS PROCESS IS VOLUNTARY AND PROVIDES AN AGENCY WITH AN IMPROVEMENT MODEL TO ASSESS THEIR SERVICE DELIVERY AND PERFORM INTERNALLY, AND THEN WORKS WITH THE TEAM OF PEERS FROM OTHER AGENCIES TO EVALUATE THEIR COMPLETED SELF-ASSESSMENT.

AND. WHEREAS, THE DENTON FIRE DEPARTMENT ENTERED CFI APPLICATION AGENCY STATUS, COMPLETING A COMMUNITY RISK ASSESSMENT STANDARDS OF COVER, FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN AND SELF-ASSESSMENT MANUAL UTILIZING DATA COMPILED OVER THE THREE YEAR PERIOD.

AND. WHEREAS, THE DENTON FIRE DEPARTMENT WELCOMED A CFI PEER TEAM OF FOUR ASSESSORS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHO EVALUATED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN 11 DEFINED CATEGORIES AND 252 KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS THAT COVER FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES OPERATION. FOCUSING ON THE EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF DENTON FIRE DEPARTMENT RESPONSE FORCES.

AND. WHEREAS, ON THE FINAL DAY OF PEER SITE VISIT, THE DEPARTMENT WAS RECOMMENDED TO BE CONFIRMED AS AN ACCREDITED AGENCY WITH 20 OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT PROVIDED FOR FROM THE PEER TEAM.

AND. WHEREAS, ON FEBRUARY 28TH, 2023, IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA, THE DENTON FIRE DEPARTMENT, ALONG WITH DENTON CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, SAT BEFORE THE COMMISSION ON FIRE ACCREDITATION INTERNATIONAL TO VERIFY AND VALIDATE THE CORE COMPETENCIES OF THE CFI MODEL HAD BEEN MET.

[03:45:06]

AND. WHEREAS, BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THE COMMISSION ON FIRE ACCREDITATION INTERNATIONAL, THE THE DENTON FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN AWARDED ACCREDITATION ACCREDITED AGENCY STATUS AND NOW THEREFORE I GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY CONGRATULATE THE DENTON FIRE DEPARTMENT AND ITS MEMBERS ON ACHIEVING SUCH DISTINCTION. OBTAINED BY ONLY 12% OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE UNITED STATES AND ONLY 11 FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

SO IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A HAND.

AND DID SIDE NOTE DID WE START WE STARTED BACK UP CPR TRAINING.

FOR WHOM AND HOW DOES THAT WORK? JUST WHILE WE'RE HERE. AND HE TRAINED US.

SO I ASK WE HAVE THE AED MACHINES HERE IN THE CITY.

AND SO I ASK HIM TO TRAIN US AS A COUNCIL BEFORE.

AND HE WAS SO NICE TO HE'S HARD ON US, BUT HE'S A GOOD TEACHER.

SO I WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT WHILE ARE HERE.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

AND I'M GOING TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO PARKS.

ALSO, WE WE TEACH FIRST AID, CPR AND AED TRAINING.

WE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TEACHES HEALTH CARE PROVIDER, WHICH IS AIMED AT PROFESSIONAL RESCUERS, NURSES, DOCTORS, PARAMEDICS AND THE PARKS TEACH US CLASSES AIMED AT THE WORKPLACE INDIVIDUALS, WATER SAFETY IN THOSE AREAS.

THE YOU CAN GO TO PARKS WEBSITE.

THEY HELP SUPPORT OUR SITE.

OUR CLASSES ARE THE LAST SATURDAY OF EVERY MONTH AT STATION ONE.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. APPRECIATE IT.

YES, SIR. ANYTHING ELSE? I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO SAY ON TOP OF THAT ADDS SO EVERY CITY BUILDING NOW HAS ADD AND WE'RE WORKING ON EXPANDING TO OUR PARK SYSTEM AS WELL AS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR PEER ASSESSMENT TEAM IS TO EXPAND OUR FOR OUR PROGRAM.

SO WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON THAT.

GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY. SO WE'LL SLIDE IN AND TAKE A PICTURE HERE.

THERE WE GO. YEAH.

OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IF WE COULD PLAY THE PROCEDURES.

[3. PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC]

THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, INCLUDING A CODE OF CONDUCT THAT APPLIES TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THESE RULES WERE ENACTED TO PROMOTE AN ORDERLY PROCESS AND TO PRESERVE DECORUM.

SPEAKERS WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE A SCHEDULED REPORT AND FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE AN OPEN MIC REPORT.

A BELL WILL RING WHEN TIME IS EXPIRED.

IF THE REMARKS ARE NOT CONCLUDED BY THAT TIME, THE SPEAKER WILL BE ASKED TO STOP SPEAKING.

IF THE SPEAKER DOES NOT CEASE AND A SECOND REQUEST IS MADE, THE MAYOR MAY REQUEST TO HAVE THE SPEAKER REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER.

SPEAKERS SHOULD NOT APPROACH THE DAIS.

IF A SPEAKER HAS MATERIALS FOR THE COUNCIL, PLEASE NOTIFY THE CITY SECRETARY IN ADVANCE FOR SCHEDULED REPORTS.

THE COUNCIL MAY INITIATE DISCUSSION OR ASK QUESTIONS FOR NON SCHEDULED OPEN MIC REPORTS.

THE COUNCIL MAY LISTEN, HOWEVER, BECAUSE NO NOTICE OF THE SUBJECT OF THE OPEN MIC REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC IN ADVANCE.

THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR DECISION BY THE COUNCIL ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS. AS A RESULT, THE COUNCIL MAY ONLY PROCEED AS FOLLOWS ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS PROPOSED TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

MAKE A STATEMENT OF FACTUAL POLICY OR A RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY.

SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO DIRECT ALL REMARKS AND QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER.

PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MAKING ABUSIVE, PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS.

ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE MAY BE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER.

THANK YOU. IN ADVANCE.

COPIES OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY SECRETARY.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND JUST ONE HOUSEKEEPING NOTE.

IF YOU'RE TRACKING ALONG AND YOU'RE HERE FOR ITEM FIVE B, IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, FIVE B THAT HAS BEEN POSTPONED PER THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TILL APRIL 4TH. SO WE WON'T BE TAKING THAT ONE UP.

SO IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON OR HERE, THERE WON'T BE A PRESENTATION ON THAT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE.

IS IS THIS A CALLER AVAILABLE? ARE THEY. ON THE LINE.

YES. GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

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MY NAME IS STEVE LAFLAM.

I'M THE OPERATIONS MANAGER FOR FREEDOM COMMERCIAL SERVICES, AND WE'RE A CONTRACTOR FOR THE CITY.

WE HANDLE ASPECTS OF COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT SERVICES, VIOLATION ABATEMENT.

WE HANDLE DRAINAGE MOWING.

CERTAINLY THIS FALL WE HANDLE.

MR. MAYOR. YEAH, YEAH.

GIVE ME. GIVE ME ONE SECOND.

STEPHEN. I CAN BARELY HEAR YOU.

ARE YOU? YES, SIR.

THERE WE GO. THANK YOU.

YOU CAN START OVER IF YOU. IF YOU'D BE SO KIND.

STEPHEN, ARE YOU THERE? OKAY. WE'LL COME BACK IF Y'ALL CAN GET THEM BACK ON THE LINE OR IF HE'S THERE.

MAYBE JUST BRING HIM UP. IT'S JUST HARD TO HEAR.

OKAY IS.

MR DILLENBURG YOU HERE? YOU'RE NEXT. DILLENBURG.

OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO.

DIANE BECK.

IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY.

GREAT. IF YOU COULD GIVE YOUR NAME AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

SURE. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

GOD BLESS YOU. I'M DIANE BECK, 2421 MERCEDES ROAD IN DENTON, TEXAS.

I'M HERE TO ADVOCATE AND I AM AN ADVOCATE.

WHAT STARTED AS A THEFT OF A LOTTERY TICKET BY THE RACETRACK ON SEPTEMBER 29TH, I WENT INTO THE RACETRACK AND THE TICKET WAS STOLEN BY CALEB.

I WON'T SAY THE LAST NAME BECAUSE HE'S YOUNG, BUT THAT LED TO A CHAIN OF EVENTS WHERE PEOPLE IN DENTON HAVE NOT BEEN HONEST AND PROFESSIONAL WITH ME.

I'VE BEEN TREATED WITH A LEVEL OF DISRESPECT THAT I WILL NOT TOLERATE AND I WILL NOT BACK DOWN.

I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED NOT WITH YOU, BUT WITH A LOT OF BUSINESSES HERE, INCLUDING WHERE I USED TO WORK, WHICH WAS SPAN.

I CAME BACK ON JANUARY 23RD OF 2023 AND MY MAILBOX WAS CLEANED OUT.

I CALLED THE POLICE AND THERE WAS A LITTLE ALTERCATION WITH THIS AT WORK BECAUSE THE POLICE TOOK ABOUT SIX HOURS TO RESPOND, WHICH IS VERY UNUSUAL.

AND I WAS THEN FIRED BY TEXT MESSAGE FROM MY BOSS.

NOW, I DON'T MIND THE FIRING.

WHAT I'M HERE TO ADVOCATE IS EVERYONE, IF YOU CAN CALL SPAN.

MEALS ON WHEELS SPAN HYPHEN TRANSIT.ORG AND CALL THEM.

THEY DENIED THEY HELPED SENIORS AND I'M A SENIOR AND THEY DENIED ME UNEMPLOYMENT.

THEY ARE BELITTLING ME AND ACTUALLY THEY DIDN'T PAY ME FAIRLY ON MY WAGES ON MY VACATION PAY.

THEY DIDN'T PAY ANYTHING AND THEY DIDN'T PROPERLY REIMBURSE ME FOR MY TRAVEL.

SO THAT'S THEM AND THE BOARD.

I TRIED TO ADVOCATE WITH THE BOARD AND SEVERAL AGENCIES AND NOTHING.

NO ONE'S COME FORWARD.

AND I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE I'M AN HONEST NEW YORKER AND I THOUGHT TEXAS WAS AN HONEST PLACE, BUT I HAVEN'T FOUND AN HONEST SOUL ANYWHERE.

IT'S SO WEIRD.

BUT SO THEN IT COMES TO ON SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 5TH, I WAS STOPPED BY A TRAFFIC STOP BY THE OFFICER, AND THE OFFICER STOPPED ME FOR SPEEDING AND I WAS SPEEDING.

BUT THE UNFAIRNESS OF IT IS THEY.

I GOOGLED IT THAT NIGHT.

WHAT DO YOU FOR THAT LEVEL OF SPEEDING, WHAT SHOULD I BE CHARGED? WELL, GOOGLING WITH ALL THE FEES AND EVERYTHING CAME TO 246.

THEY WANT TO CHARGE ME 280.

ALL RIGHT, I'LL PAY THE 280.

NOW THEY'VE UPPED IT TO 305.

IS NOT HELPFUL AT THE THING.

NOT HELPFUL AT ALL.

AND SO I ADVOCATED WITH THE JUDGE.

I'M WAITING TO HEAR BACK.

THIS IS VERY UNFAIR.

THEN I GO INTO THE OFFICE TO REPORT A CRIME AND I'M ACCOSTED AND STRONG ARMED OUT OF THE POLICE STATION BY OFFICER RILEY, WHO DOESN'T EXIST.

IT WAS A LIE. BUT ANYWAY, SOMEONE LIED TO ME.

SO HE'S A 6"4 MAN.

6"3-6"4. TALLER THAN ME.

AFRICAN AMERICAN MAN. I KNOW WHAT HE LOOKS LIKE, BUT I DON'T.

I KNOW I DON'T HAVE HIS PROPER NAME.

I WAS LIED TO. AND SO THEN WE GO WITH BETH MORRIS.

I WAS JUST THERE. THE OTHER NIGHT.

I WAS RUNG UP $2.99 PLUS TAX.

SHE WANTED TO CHARGE ME $4.24.

I'M TOLD SHE'S A SCHOOL TEACHER.

WHAT SCHOOL TEACHER KNOWS TAX ON UNDER $3 DOESN'T COME TO $4.24, SO I REFUSE TO PAY IT.

AND I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE OWNER TO NO AVAIL.

AND I PAID JUST THE $3 BUCKS, WHICH I FELT WAS FAIR.

SO I'M JUST TELLING YOU, THIS IS LIKE A STRING OF EVENTS WHERE NO ONE IS ADVOCATING, NO ONE IS PROFESSIONAL.

I'VE BEEN TREATED, I'VE BEEN YELLED AT AND SCREAMED AT FOR NO REASON.

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AND THIS IS I WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS.

AND I WANT. I'M ASKING THE COUNCIL TO ADVOCATE ON MY BEHALF.

I'M ASKING FOR HELP.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. OKAY.

AND NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRISTINE BRAY.

IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

HELLO, MIKE. TEST THIS THING.

GIVE IT AGAIN. TRY IT AGAIN.

ALL RIGHT. TESTING. THERE WE GO.

THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

MY NAME IS CHRISTINE BRAY.

76201. AND I'VE SPOKEN ON THIS BEFORE, BUT I WANTED TO TALK AGAIN ABOUT THE NATIONWIDE RISE IN RADICAL POLITICAL BIGOTRY.

SO AT CPAC THIS WEEK, A SPEAKER CALLED WITH GENEROUS AUDIENCE APPLAUSE FOR THE ERADICATION OF TRANSGENDERISM FROM PUBLIC LIFE.

NICHOLAS FUENTES, WHO IS NOW A CLOSE CONFIDANT TO FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, LATER DISCUSSED THE SPEAKER'S WORDS ON HIS SHOW.

HE ADDED THAT WE ALSO NEEDED TO, QUOTE, ELIMINATE FEMINISM, LIBERALISM AND SAID THAT JUDAISM HAS GOT TO GO AS WELL.

MULTIPLE HATE CRIMES AND SHOOTINGS HAVE BEEN CARRIED OUT AT QUEER VENUES AND EVENTS IN THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, INCLUDING THE SHOOTING IN COLORADO SPRINGS THAT LEFT FIVE DEAD AND 25 INJURED AT A GAY NIGHTCLUB.

IN THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, WITHIN DFW, OPEN FLAG CARRYING HITLER, SALUTING NAZIS HAVE PROTESTED DRAG SHOWS.

ARMED, I MIGHT ADD, AT A SHOWDOWN IN BUSBOYS IN DALLAS, A MAN SHOUTED THROUGH A MEGAPHONE AT A CROWD OF COUNTER-PROTESTERS AND FAMILIES.

QUOTE, MOST OF US WANT TO KILL ALL OF YOU.

THE STATE OF TENNESSEE HAS PASSED A DRAG BAN WITHIN THE LAST WEEK.

FLORIDA HAS HAD ITS DON'T SAY GAY LAW ON THE BOOKS FOR A WHILE THAT CHASED OUT MANY EDUCATORS FROM THE PROFESSION.

AND NOW TEXAS IS LOOKING TO REPLICATE BOTH OF THOSE LAWS, AS WELL AS REMOVING FUNDING FOR HEALTH CARE FOR TRANSGENDER PEOPLE.

IT MAY NOT BE TOO FAR OFF THAT DENTON IS ONE OF THE FEW SAFE PLACES IN TEXAS FOR QUEER PEOPLE.

NOT THAT THERE'S MANY RIGHT NOW.

THE STATE MAY TRY TO BAN HEALTH CARE FOR OUR NEIGHBORS, TRY TO ARREST PEOPLE FOR EXPRESSING THEMSELVES.

BAN CHILDREN FROM RECEIVING EDUCATION THAT VALUES THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO COME BACK AGAIN AND ASK WHAT CAN YOU, AS CITY COUNCILORS, AS CITY STAFF, AS OUR MAYOR, DO TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORS FROM THIS RISING TIDE OF FASCISM BUILT ON THIS FANTASY OF BASICALLY RUNNING A GENOCIDE AGAINST QUEER PEOPLE? PLEASE THINK HARD.

PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS HAPPENING NATIONWIDE, STATEWIDE IN THE DFW REGION.

ADVOCATE ON OUR BEHALF TO OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES AND BEGIN TO WORK OUT HOW YOU COULD PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY IN THE EVENT OF STATE LAWS AGAINST QUEER EXISTENCE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THEN THE STEFAN IS BACK ON.

ARE YOU THERE? AH, STEPHEN.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU. GIVE IT A MINUTE.

CHECK AND FIND OUT. OKAY.

WE'LL GIVE IT JUST A MINUTE.

MAYBE HAVING TECHNICAL ISSUES.

ANTHONY, COME ON DOWN AND TALK TO US.

WHO? CAN YOU HEAR ME, SIR? THERE WE GO. OKAY.

YOU SAVED BY THE BELL. YOU'RE NEXT.

GO RIGHT AHEAD. OKAY.

YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MY NAME IS STEVE LAFLAM AND I AM THE OPERATIONS MANAGER FOR FREEDOM COMMERCIAL SERVICES, AND WE'RE A CONTRACTOR FOR THE CITY.

WE HANDLE SOME OF THE ABATEMENTS FOR COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT SERVICES.

WE HANDLE DRAINAGE, MOWING AND PERTINENT TO THIS CALL, WE HANDLE SOME CLEANUPS FOR PARKS AND REC, FOR ABANDONED CAMPS OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND OTHER MARGINALIZED FOLKS.

SO AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF TRASH TO DEAL WITH AND WE REQUIRE A LOT OF TRIPS TO THE LANDFILL.

AND LATELY, SO IT'S BEEN ABOUT A YEAR, MAYBE A LITTLE LESS.

WE'VE NOTICED THAT THE PROCESSING AT THE LANDFILL IS REALLY SLOWED DOWN.

AND I THINK THAT THE LANDFILL HAS INCREASED TRAFFIC FROM NOT ONLY THE CITY OF DENTON DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT ALSO PROBABLY SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING COUNTIES AND CITIES AS WELL.

AND WE HAVE JUST BEEN VERY SLOW IN TERMS OF PROCESSING.

MONDAY, JUST TO KIND OF FRAME THIS UP, WE WERE CONTRACTED BY PARKS AND REC TO PERFORM A CLEANUP ON AN ABANDONED CAMP OF OF HOMELESS PEOPLE, EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS AT THE CORNER OF MAYHILL AND MORRIS, WHICH IS ABOUT HALF A MILE FROM THE LANDFILL.

WE TEAMS MADE TWO TRIPS TO THE LANDFILL AND THE TOTAL TIME IN LINE AND PROCESSING AT THE LINE FOR THE LANDFILL WAS ALMOST 4.5 HOURS BETWEEN THE TWO TRIPS, AND SO THAT WAS ABOUT HALF THEIR WORKDAY.

THERE WAS ONE TRIP IN THE AFTERNOON THAT TOOK OVER TWO HOURS, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER TRIP THAT TOOK JUST ABOUT TWO HOURS.

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AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY SOLUTION TO IT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY FROM THIS CALL OR IF YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE AWARE OF THE PROGRAM OF THE THE PROBLEM.

BUT, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'VE NOTICED IS THAT THE ALL THE GROUPS I'VE BEEN COMING TO THIS LAND FOR FOR 4 OR 5 YEARS, ALL THE GROUPS, THE PUBLIC AND THE DUMP LOADS USED TO BE SEPARATE.

SO THERE WAS A PUBLIC DISPOSAL AREA.

IT WAS EXTREMELY QUICK, IT WAS ACCURATE.

FAST PROCESSING.

NOW IT SEEMS THE DUMP TRUCKS AND ALL THE CONTRACTORS ARE ROOTED IN THE SAME LINE AND WORKING OFF THE SAME WORKING FACE.

WE JUST KIND OF ONE TOUCH POINT THERE AND THERE'S FREQUENTLY JUST A LOT OF TRAFFIC JAMS IN AND OUT OF THERE.

AND THEN THE SECOND AREA THAT I SEE THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR IMPROVEMENT IS ON THE CHECK IN CHECK OUT PROCESS.

SACHSE THOSE OF US WHO HAVE TIRED OUT OR, YOU KNOW, RECEIPTS PRIOR SHOWING EMPTY WEIGHTS OF THE TRAILERS, OFTENTIMES WE CAN PAY WHEN WE'RE ON THE WAY IN.

WELL, THE LANDFILL DOESN'T LET US DO THAT.

WHEN THERE'S A THERE'S A LINE OF TRUCKS GOING INTO THE LANDFILL.

THEY SAY IT'S TOO BUSY.

WE HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND WEIGH OUT, WHICH I THINK IS IS OPPOSITE OF HOW THE THINKING SHOULD BE, BECAUSE WHEN IT'S REALLY BUSY, IT ONLY TAKES ANOTHER 15 OR 20 SECONDS TO SWIPE A CREDIT CARD.

AND THEN YOU HAVE JUST ONE TOUCH POINT INSTEAD OF TWO.

AND YOU CAN ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT BACK END PRESSURE.

PLUS, WHEN YOU DO HAVE CONTRACTORS COMING IN THAT HAVE RECEIPTS, IT SHOWS THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE FREQUENT CONTRIBUTORS TO THE DUMP.

YOU WANT TO GET THEM IN AND OUT OF THERE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.

THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

THEY CAN COME BACK WITH MORE LOADS MORE FREQUENTLY.

SO I DIDN'T WANT THIS TO SOUND NEGATIVE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE LOVE PARTNERING WITH THE CITY.

WE'RE COMMITTED TO CARING, COMPASSIONATE LEADERSHIP IN THE COMMUNITY, HELPING TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF DENTON.

I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

I WANTED TO JUST KIND OF JUST BE A PARTNER IN ANY WAY WE COULD TO HELP OUT.

BUT I JUST WANTED YOU GUYS TO BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE LANDFILL RIGHT NOW.

I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT THE CITY IS GROWING, THAT THE LANDFILL IS GROWING.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S STEPS BEING TAKEN TO MAKE THAT OPERATION AS EFFECTIVE AND AS EFFICIENT THAT THAT WE KNOW IT CAN BE.

AND I THINK THAT'S IT.

YOU KNOW, GOD BLESS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

YEAH, NO, THANK YOU.

I WILL SAY THIS, THOUGH, JUST BECAUSE I CAN'T COMMENT ON IT BECAUSE IT WASN'T POSTED, BUT I'LL SAY IF YOU LOOK ON THE CITY OF DENTON WEBSITE, MY NAME IS GERARD AND THE EMAIL ADDRESS IS GERARD HUDSPETH AT CITY OF DENTON.COM VERSUS HAVING TO CALL IN TO A MEETING WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ANY.

CONTEXT, RIGHT? SO I WOULD APPRECIATE AN EMAIL NEXT TIME TOO, IF YOU SO THAT I CAN WORK WITH YOU VERSUS YOU LETTING STAFF HAVE IT IN PUBLIC.

WE'RE DOING OUR ABSOLUTE BEST.

TAKE IT UNDER ADVISEMENT.

BUT IT DOES JUST FULL DISCLOSURE, BECAUSE I CAN SAY STATEMENTS RUBS ME A LITTLE THE WRONG WAY.

BUT THAT'S OKAY.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR HEART. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

JUST WANT TO BE FULL DISCLOSURE.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

WELL, NO, NO. BEFORE I DO THAT, ANTHONY, COME ON UP.

SAY HELLO. SO THIS IS MY BROTHER.

IT'S MY OLDER BROTHER.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS, EVERY TIME HE COMES TO A MEETING WITH ME, I ALWAYS SAY, IF YOU HAVE COMPLAINTS, TALK TO HIM.

I'LL TAKE THE GOOD STUFF.

SO. AND YOU HAVE SOME FRIENDS WITH YOU.

SO WHO DO YOU HAVE YOU GOT A MINUTE? GO. WELL, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO MY BROTHER.

I'M TRYING TO GET YOUNG PEOPLE MORE INVOLVED IN CITY THINGS AND CARMELA'S WANTING TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL AND HER PARENTS ARE WITH HER TO VISIT TODAY.

AND I JUST WANTED HER TO SEE ALL THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING.

AND I HOPE THEY ENJOY THEIR TIME HERE.

AND I'M TRYING TO KEEP BOTH EYES ON MY BROTHER TO GIVE HIM A HARD TIME SINCE I'M THE OLDEST, YOU KNOW? YEAH, WELL, VERY GOOD.

WELCOME. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

AND YOU'VE GOT TWO ATTORNEYS HERE, SO CATCH THEM BEFORE THEY LEAVE AND THEY CAN GIVE YOU ALL THE SECRETS TO THE TEST.

ALL RIGHT? YES.

YEAH, WE ALL LIVE ON THE SAME STREET.

YEAH, IT'S CRAZY.

SO WE'RE ALL I'M ON ONE END. MY FOLKS ARE ON THE OTHER END.

HE'S IN THE MIDDLE, SO.

OKAY. VERY GOOD.

SO THAT TAKES US OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

I'LL TAKE A MOTION, BUT FOR ITEM H, WHICH WAS PULLED.

COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

BUT FOR ITEM H, MAYOR PRO TEM I SECOND.

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OKAY. MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM.

BUT FOR ITEM H, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, IT'S.

HEY, SIRI REGISTERED MY VOTE.

HERE WE GO. AND THAT PASSES SIX ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM H, WHICH IS ID 23518.

[H. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Denton authorizing the City Manager to execute an agreement with the National Council for Community Development, INC and Fine Arts Theater of Denton, LLC regarding development underwriting services and authorizing payment of the fee in the amount not to exceed $25,000; and providing an effective date.]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON.

A PARDON ME.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DENTON AUTHORIZING CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AGREEMENT WITH THE NATIONAL COUNCIL FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT INC AND FINE ARTS THEATER OF DENTON LLC REGARDING DEVELOPMENT, UNDERWRITING SERVICES AND AUTHORIZING PAYMENT OF THE FEE IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $25,000 AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THERE IS NO PRESENTATION.

COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS YEAH.

MAYOR. I PULLED THAT.

I DON'T NEED A PRESENTATION. I JUST WANTED TO SAY I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE PROCESS OF THE EVALUATION.

MY ONLY CONCERN WAS WHO PAYS THE FEE IN THE BEGINNING? SO I'LL BE NOT SUPPORTING THIS JUST BECAUSE I THINK THE DEVELOPERS SHOULD PAY THE FEE AND THEN WE REIMBURSE IF SOMETHING COMES TO FRUITION.

BUT IT'S MINOR BUT NEEDED TO GO AHEAD AND PULL IT FOR THAT REASON.

OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, I MOVE APPROVAL.

MAYOR PRO TEM A SECOND.

MOTION BY MYSELF.

SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 1, TAKES US TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS TODAY.

[A. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding an initial zoning district and use classification of Light Industrial (LI) Zoning District on approximately 18.6 acres of land, generally located on the northeast corner of US 380 (University Drive) and Thomas Egan Road, in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official zoning map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [4-3] to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Smith and second by Commissioner Pruett. (Z22-0019b, 380 & Thomas Egan- Zoning to LI, Ron Menguita)]

FIRST OF WHICH AND IS Z220019B HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS REGARDING AN INITIAL ZONING DISTRICT AND USE CLASSIFICATION LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT ON APPROXIMATELY 18.6 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF US 380 AND THOMAS EGAN ROAD.

AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

RAMON GAY, PRINCIPAL PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

AS INTRODUCING THE INTRODUCTION, THIS REQUEST IS FOR AN INITIAL ZONING OF A PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

AS YOU ALL RECALL, BACK IN JANUARY 10TH OF THIS YEAR, THIS PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY AFTER THE SOUTHERN TRACK OF THE PROPERTY WAS REZONE TO LEE BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022.

THE SUBJECT SITE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING FOR THE INITIAL ZONING DISTRICT IS APPROXIMATELY 18.6 ACRES.

AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL, IT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.

AGAIN, MENTIONED EARLIER, IT'S ALONG 380 AND THOMAS EGAN TO THE AND THE PROPOSED USE IS INDUSTRIAL ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT.

I JUST WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE AREA.

YOU CAN SEE ALI IS CURRENTLY IN THE SOUTHERN TRACK AND THAT SOUTHERN TRACK IS THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE SAME OWNER THAT IS OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED TONIGHT. IF APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, THE ZONING WOULD LOOK LIKE WHAT IS SHOWN HERE ON THE PROPOSED ZONING MAP.

FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, AND THIS WAS DONE BACK IN MARCH OF 2022, AS WE DID THE UPDATE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AGAIN, THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL FOR THE AREA, FOR THE AREA THAT'S SHOWN HERE.

WANTED TO SHOW THIS ILLUSTRATION OF THIS OF THE AREA FURTHER BACK IN TERMS OF THE FUTURE LAND USE.

YOU SEE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS JUST TO THE WEST OF THE AREA, WEST AND SOUTH, AS WELL AS TO THE NORTH WEST.

THE AREA OR THE MAP THAT'S TO THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN IS THE LEGENDS RANCH MUD.

AND JUST TO ILLUSTRATE WHERE THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED IS GENERALLY IN THIS AREA HERE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SITE WOULD BE ADJACENT TO IT JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THOMAS EGAN, WHICH IS AN ARTERIAL ARTERIAL ROAD.

THE THE OTHER SLIDE THAT I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL IS THIS SLIDE HERE.

AS WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER, OR AS PART OF THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DESIGNATION OF THE AREA, I WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE THAT. THE AREA, AS YOU CAN SEE TO THE RIGHT WITH THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN LOOP 288, THE FUTURE EXTENSION IS NOT TOO FAR TO THE EAST.

AND YOU ALSO HAVE THOSE ARTERIALS AND THE THOMAS EGAN TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

ALSO, THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DESIGNATION IS ONE OF THE OTHER REASONS THAT WAS DONE IS BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF GAS WELL SITE PRODUCTIONS THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE REGIONAL

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AND WITHIN THE SPECIFIC AREA WHERE THAT PROPOSED ZONING IS REQUESTED.

THE STAFF LOOKED AT THE CRITERIA MANUAL UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND UNDER THE CRITERIA MANUAL.

I'M SORRY. THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL.

EXCUSE ME. THE PROPOSED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CONSISTENT WITH THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PURPOSE STATEMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. ZONING IS NOT EXPECTED TO GENERATE SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE WHERE IT IS LOCATED IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND PHYSICAL IMPACTS, AND THE UTILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE WILL BE EXTENDED AS THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED.

NOTIFICATIONS WERE SIGNED FOR I'M SORRY.

NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT OUT AND NO RESPONSES WERE RECEIVED AS OF THIS AFTERNOON.

THEREFORE NO OPPOSITION OR NO NON IN FAVOR.

WITH THAT, THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION CONSIDERED THIS APPLICATION A WEEK AGO AND VOTED FOUR THREE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SUBJECT REQUEST AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE SUBJECT REQUEST AGAIN AS IT MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

AND WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND BELIEVE THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL.

OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE THAT.

COUNCIL MEMBER. WHAT'S. RON, WHAT WAS THE PRIMARY? I MEAN, THE VOTE WAS 4 TO 3.

CORRECT. P AND Z.

WHAT WAS THE PRIMARY OBJECTION, IT SEEMED IN THAT REGARD? GREAT QUESTION. THE THE COMMISSIONERS THAT MADE THE MOTION IN A SECOND AND STATED THAT THE.

SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE COMING AS PART OF THE MUDS.

THE MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS PREVALENT IN THE AREA WAS A CONCERN WHERE THIS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WOULD BE COMING INTO THAT AREA SPECIFICALLY.

THEY FELT THAT THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF THE CITY WAS NOT AN APPROPRIATE USE BECAUSE, AGAIN, OF THOSE PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY THAT ARE PART OF THE MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS THAT WERE THAT ARE PLANNED FOR THE AREA TO THE WEST AND SOUTHWEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

JUST TO FOLLOW UP, MAYOR, IF I COULD.

HELP ME UNDERSTAND. YOU DON'T NEED TO PUT THE MAP BACK UP, BUT ARE IS THE MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT? I THINK IT WAS THE LEGENDS.

LEGENDS RANCH? YES, SIR.

IS THAT IN THE CITY LIMITS? IT IS NOT. OKAY.

SO. BUT THE ZONING REQUEST IS WITH LAND WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

CORRECT. IT WAS ANNEXED JANUARY AND YES, IT IS IN THE CITY LIMITS.

SO THE OBJECTION WAS HOUSES THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS COULD BE IMPACTED BY THE ZONING WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

THE PROPOSED SUBJECT SITE.

YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS IS THIS THIS PARCEL AND THE PARCEL TO THE SOUTH ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN CONCERT AS A LOGISTICS USE, RIGHT? THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, YES.

AND SO A WAREHOUSE USE.

CORRECT. AND THEN THE APPLICANT CAN FURTHER DESCRIBE WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO.

AND AND BOTH PARCELS, THE EASTERN HALF IS IS FLOODPLAIN UNDEVELOPABLE BY FOR FOR A VERTICAL STRUCTURE.

RIGHT. FLOODPLAIN. CORRECT.

OKAY. AND DID IN IN FOR THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE THE RESIDENTIAL.

IT WAS AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM THE BACKUP IT WAS THAT THAT WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST AND THEN LEGENDS TO THE WEST.

AND THEY THEY THOUGHT THAT THE WAREHOUSE WAS AN INCOMPATIBLE USE OR WHAT WAS WHAT WAS THEIR CONCERN OF THIS INTERSTITIAL USE.

SURE. SO THE AREA AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ILLUSTRATION OF THE MAPS, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS IN THE AREA AND THE USES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS PRIMARILY ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AND THEY FELT THAT THIS PROPOSED USE WOULD NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH THOSE FUTURE SINGLE FAMILY IF AND WHEN THEY WERE DEVELOPED IN IN AND AROUND THE AREA.

WAS IT WAS IT A TRANSITIONAL OR AN INCOMPATIBILITY? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S SPLITTING HAIRS A LITTLE BIT, BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE.

YEAH, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK IN JUST GENERALIZING WHAT I HEARD FROM THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION.

THEY FELT THAT THE USE WAS JUST NOT FIT FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

BEING THAT IT'S IT'S CLOSE TO THOSE MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS.

AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, YOU BROUGHT UP THE POINT OF THE GAS WELLS IN THE REGION GENERALLY.

ONE WOULD EXPECT OR I'LL PUT IT IN A FORM OF A QUESTION, DO WE EXPECT LESS PEOPLE TO BE ON THIS PARCEL IF IT'S DEVELOPED AS A WAREHOUSE

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THAN IF IT'S DEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL OR LIGHT RETAIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? LESS LESS PEOPLE IN THE AREA? YEAH, NEAR ESSENTIALLY NEAR GAS WELLS.

RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT.

OBVIOUSLY, THE AREA AS WELL IS ALONG 380.

SO WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONTEXT.

THE GAS WELLS AS WELL.

SO GENERALLY THE AREA WOULD BE LESS AS FAR AS INHABITANTS OF THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. OKAY.

WE HAVE CLINT RILEY AND JUSTIN TUNE.

YOU HAVE 20 MINUTES.

YOU CAN DIVIDE THAT UP HOWEVER YOU WANT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

APPRECIATE YOU TAKING SOME TIME.

YOUR QUESTIONS ARE REALLY GOOD ONES.

I THINK ANY GOOD POINT SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONVEY REALLY SIMPLY.

SO IF YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THIS ONE PAGER RIGHT HERE, I'D LIKE TO TALK YOU THROUGH WHY YOU'RE SEEING THIS FOUR TIMES AND WHY THIS.

WE HAVE KIND OF AN EXTENSIVE HISTORY WITH THE SITE.

FIRST, I'D LIKE TO SAY THIS ENTIRE PARCEL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP BLUE BOX, IS 100% OWNED BY US.

IT'S 28 ACRES.

YOU'RE ONLY CONSIDERING A PART A PORTION OF THAT PARCEL BECAUSE THE OTHER PORTION HAS ALREADY BEEN ZONED.

IT WAS ALREADY IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

THE BALANCE THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT, WE VOLUNTARILY, VOLUNTARILY ANNEXED.

WE HAD ANNEXED IT IN ORDER TO GET THE THE ZONING.

SO IT'S BEEN A MULTIPLE POINT PROCESS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY SUPPORTED AND APPROVED.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO TALK YOU THROUGH THE TIMELINE REAL QUICK.

IN SEPTEMBER OF 21, BEFORE WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, WE HAD A PRE PURCHASED PREDEVELOPMENT MEETING, LAID OUT A CLEAR PLAN ASK, IS THIS A GREAT IDEA? IS THIS SOMETHING YOU GUYS WOULD SUPPORT? DO YOU WANT IT HERE? DO YOU THINK THIS IS GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS OF DENTON? THAT LED TO US PURCHASING THE PROPERTY AFTER FOUR MONTHS OF DIALOG, MET WITH THEM, GOT AS A PIECE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT'S WITHIN THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT YOU GUYS ADOPTED AND ACCEPTED.

APRIL 22ND FIRST REZONE AND ANNEXATION.

WE TRIED TO DO THIS IN ONE ALL AT ONE TIME, IN ONE FELL SWOOP.

THE CITY ATTORNEY TOLD US IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

SO WE TRIED TO MAKE THIS SUPER EASY FOR YOU, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT DICTATED A MULTI POINT PROCESS.

SO AUGUST 24TH, P AND Z AT THAT TIME HAD NO OBJECTIONS.

NOTHING'S CHANGED.

COUNCIL ON OUR PART, THE PLAN HAS BEEN THE SAME.

WE'RE THE SAME.

WE'VE BEEN GOOD STEWARDS OF Y'ALL'S TIME AND RESOURCES AND YOUR STAFF'S TIME AND RESOURCES.

THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT.

I'VE BEEN AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPER FOR 20 YEARS.

WE DO A GREAT PROJECT THAT WILL MAKE YOU GUYS PROUD.

IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU SEE AS YOU DRIVE ON THE WEST SIDE OF 380 AND YOU'VE GOT A RIGOROUS DEVELOPMENT CODE AND GUIDELINE, WHICH WE WOULD ADHERE TO ALL OF THAT.

SEPTEMBER 27TH, YOU GUYS VOTED SEVEN ZERO TO APPROVE.

AND THEN WE STARTED NOVEMBER 15TH, THE VOLUNTARY ANNEX, THE BALANCE OF THE TRACK, SECOND READING, FULL SUPPORT, FEBRUARY 15TH, WE VOLUNTARY ANNEXED AND ONLY LAST WEEK DID WE GET ANY OPPOSITION FROM REALLY ANY ANYBODY THAT WE'VE TALKED TO.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL WATCH THE VIDEO, BUT IT CAME ACROSS AS PERSONAL IN NATURE.

AND I LIVE OVER THERE.

SO WE WE'RE WE RECOGNIZE EVERYBODY HAS AN OPINION.

WE IF WE WERE GOING TO GET 43, WE WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HEARD IT OVER THE COURSE OF THIS 16 MONTH JOURNEY.

BUT NOTHING'S CHANGED.

AND WE GOT NO REAL OBJECTION OTHER THAN I LIVE OVER THERE BY SOME WAREHOUSES THAT WERE BUILT 40 YEARS AGO ON MARS BRANCH.

NOT A CLASS, A NEW BUILD STATE OF THE ART.

SO DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND THE OTHER OBJECTION WE GOT IS, HEY, THERE COULD BE SOME RESIDENTIAL COMING IN THE COUNTY THAT'S NOT EVEN IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

SO THAT WAS NEWS TO US LAST WEEK.

SO ANYWAY, I'D LOVE TO ANSWER ANY MORE OF YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT INDUSTRIAL OR ABOUT WHY THIS IS A GREAT USE OF THE TRACK.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP BLUE BOX, YOU'RE CORRECT.

THERE'S A VERY LARGE RIPARIAN BUFFER.

SO THERE WOULD BE NO VISUAL AS VISUAL CONCERN OR ANYTHING FROM REALLY THAT SIDE A BORDER ON 380 AND THEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE ON 380, WHICH YOU DON'T WANT RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT ON 380.

AND ANYWAY, SO THIS IS A GOOD TAX GENERATOR, LOW IMPACT PARCEL THAT MOST CITIES LOVE TO HAVE AND LOVE TO SUPPORT.

AND I GIVE YOU MY WORD, THIS WILL BE A GOOD PROJECT FOR THE CITY OF DENTON.

I'VE GOT ANOTHER 15 MINUTE VERSION IF YOU GUYS WANT TO KNOW MORE.

OTHERWISE I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR QUESTIONS.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. SO QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

I'LL JUST TAKE ISSUE WITH. THERE'S NO WAY YOU'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 20 YEARS UNLESS YOU STARTED WHEN YOU WERE TEN.

ALL RIGHT. ANY, ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

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SEEING NONE.

THIS IS SO I THINK WE'RE.

ANY ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'RE OKAY. I'LL CALL YOU BACK UP.

COUNCIL. THANK YOU.

THIS IS A OPEN, OPEN HEARING, SO IF THERE'S ANYONE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FILL OUT A CARD.

YOU CAN COME SPEAK IF YOU'D CARE TO.

SEEING. NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL TAKE TAKE A MOTION.

ME MOVE. APPROVAL COUNCIL MEMBER.

WHAT'S A SECOND? SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER.

WHAT'S DISCUSSION? MAYOR PRO TEM.

YEAH, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OR I THINK I DO ANYWAY, FROM FROM SEEING SOME OF THE FEEDBACK.

I UNDERSTAND THAT HOUSING YOU MIGHT WANT A LESS INTENSIVE USE AROUND HOUSING.

I GET THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT I THINK WAREHOUSING IS GOING TO BE THAT INTENSIVE A USE.

WITH THE BUFFER THAT YOU'RE MAINTAINING.

AND AND I THINK FOR ME, THE KEY QUESTION WAS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY GAS WELLS AND ON THE PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE LESS WITH THIS USE, I THINK, OVERALL.

SO I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO VOTE APPROVAL.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE THIS PHOTO ON THE SCREEN.

THAT PASSES. SIX ZERO.

THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT.

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM B, WHICH IS PD 220010A THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING THAT IS GOING TO BE.

[B. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding a change in the zoning district and use classification from a Planned Development - Mixed-Use Neighborhood (PD-MN) District to a Planned Development - Suburban Corridor (PD-SC) District on approximately 12.770 acres of land generally located west of Teasley Lane (F.M. 2181) and Hunter Creek Road in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO POSTPONE TO THE APRIL 4, 2023 CITY COUNCIL MEETING (PD22-0010a, Denton West Joint Venture, Mia Hines)]

SO I OPEN IT AND THEN I'LL POSTPONE IT TILL A DATE CERTAIN APRIL 4TH AND DO THAT BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

SO THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF ITEM B TAKES US TO ITEM C, D, C, A220008.

[C. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas amending the Denton Development Code, specifically amendments to Sections 5.3.5U Automotive Fuel Sales, 5.3.5V Major Automotive Repair Shop, 5.3.5W Minor Automotive Repair Shop, 5.3.5Y Equipment Sales and Rental, 5.3.6F Outdoor Storage (as a Primary Use), 5.3.6G Self-Service Storage, 5.4.4D Accessory Outdoor Storage, 6.3.2E.6 Outdoor Storage Areas, 7.7.8D.3 Fence Height, 7.7.8E.3 Outside Storage, and Section 9.2 Definitions; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [6-0] to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Pruett and second by Commissioner Villarreal. (DCA22-0008a, Outdoor Storage and Outdoor Display Code Amendments, Ron Menguita)]

HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS AMENDING THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE SPECIFIC.

SO I CAN'T SPEAK SPECIFICALLY.

AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 5.3.50.

AUTOMOTIVE FUEL SALES.

AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SORRY. ALL RIGHT.

YES, THERE WAS A LOT THAT WE HAD TO COVER WITH THIS CODE AMENDMENT.

YOU SEE THE LIST OF SECTIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WE ADDRESS WHEN I SAY WE, THE DEVELOPMENT CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS CODE AMENDMENT RELATED TO OUTDOOR STORAGE AND OUTDOOR DISPLAY WAS REALLY TO INITIATED BY A DECISION BY THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, BUT REALLY JUST TO CLEAN UP THE OUTDOOR STORAGE SUBJECT IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WE ALSO ADDRESS INCONSISTENT LANGUAGE IN TERMS OF JUST TERMINOLOGY, BUT ALSO ADDED I'M SORRY, PROPOSE ADDITIONAL USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS TO HELP FURTHER CLARIFY AND CLEAR UP SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS.

THE HCRC MET SIX TIMES TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION WHICH REALLY GOOD DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO EACH OF THE USES THAT YOU SEE HERE IN THE SUBJECT ITEMS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING IN THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES. THIS SLIDE HERE ILLUSTRATES.

JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE TOP TWO BULLETS.

HERE ARE THE TWO MAIN CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE HCRC FOCUSED ON.

THESE TWO SET OF REQUIREMENTS ARE SIMILAR IN ALL OF THE USES THAT YOU SEE LISTED TO THE TO THE RIGHT.

THE FIRST BULLET SPEAKS TO SCREENING REQUIREMENTS AND OPAQUE SCREENING REQUIREMENT WITH AN EIGHT FOOT TALL WALL OR FENCE OF MASONRY, ELEVATED OR SEALED WOOD OR A COMBINATION OF SUCH MATERIALS.

THESE FOCUS PRIMARILY WITH ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WERE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO SOME VISUAL AND NOISE IMPACTS.

SO THIS WOULD BE THE M N M, R AND C HCRC, AS WELL AS GEO ZONING DISTRICTS.

THE SECOND BULLET A LITTLE BIT LESS AS FAR AS REQUIREMENTS, BUT STILL HAD TO PROVIDE OR HAS TO PROVIDE THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS OF AN OPAQUE THAT FOLLOWED THE THE SUBCHAPTER OR SUBSECTION 778 WALLS FENCES AND SCREENING.

THIS PRIMARILY WOULD APPLY TO THE MORE HIGHER INTENSE ZONING DISTRICTS, THE LEHIGH AS WELL AS THE P F, THE PUBLIC FACILITIES ZONING DISTRICTS.

THE HCRC ALSO DISCUSSED THE OUTDOOR DISPLAY AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THAT.

AND THEN ANY AUTO REPAIR MAINTENANCE SERVICES WOULD BE SUBJECT TO BEING CONDUCTED WITHIN ENTIRE ENCLOSED STRUCTURES.

SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT'S CONSISTENT, AGAIN, WITH ALL OF THESE USES.

ADDITIONALLY, WE DID ADD ADDITIONAL MORE SPECIFIC STANDARDS IN RELATED TO USES.

I WON'T GO THROUGH THE WHOLE LIST, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT WHERE THE USE IS PROPOSED IF IT MEETS A A DIFFERENT USE IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WOULD

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BE WHAT IT WOULD BE REVIEWED UNDER.

AND SO IF THAT ZONING DISTRICT ALLOWED IT, THEN IT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THAT LOCATION.

IF IT DOES NOT, THEN IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE USES FOLLOWED THE USES THAT ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT SELF SERVICE STORAGE PROVIDED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED AS AN ACTIVITY IN THOSE SELF SERVE SERVICE STORAGE UNITS AND THEN OUTDOOR STORAGE AND OUTDOOR OR ACCESSORY OUTDOOR STORAGE.

HOW, WHERE AND WHAT TYPES OF ITEMS WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THOSE PARTICULAR USES? NEXT SLIDE HERE JUST KIND OF ILLUSTRATES THESE SECTIONS THAT WE PROVIDED A LITTLE BIT MORE CODE AMENDMENTS RELATED TO THE TOP ONE THERE, OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS, OUTDOOR STORAGE AND FENCE HEIGHT.

I WON'T GO INTO THE DETAILS THAT YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR BACKUP.

IN TERMS OF DEFINITIONS, WE DID A LOT OF WORK TO CLEAN THAT UP AS WELL, AMEND IT WHERE WE NEED IT, AND THEN ADDED THE THREE DEFINITIONS THAT YOU SEE HERE, OUTDOOR DISPLAY, MOTOR VEHICLE AND THE DEFINITION OF INOPERABLE.

WITH THAT, THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION HEARD THIS CASE ON FEBRUARY 15TH, RECOMMENDED SIX ZERO FOR THE APPROVAL OF THESE DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT AMENDMENTS. THAT IS AS PRESENTED.

AND THE CITY I'M SORRY, THE STAFF IS ALSO RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS IT MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. THANK YOU.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY ONE.

ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC CAN SPEAK ON IT.

IF YOU CARE TO COME DOWN, GIVE YOUR NAME.

SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, I MOVE APPROVAL.

MAYOR PRO TEM. EXCUSE ME.

I SECOND. OKAY.

MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS.

SECOND BY THE MAYOR PRO TEM.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

THAT PASSES. SIX ZERO.

THANK YOU, RON. THAT TAKES US TO WELL, YOU RIGHT BACK I THINK, RIGHT? YEP. TAKES US TO OUR ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION NUMBER SIX ON YOUR AGENDA THAT SECTION AND THIS IS ITEM

[A. Conduct the second of two readings of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas annexing approximately 7 acres of land, generally located east of Bonnie Brae Street and approximately 1,000 feet south of Vintage Boulevard into the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; providing for a correction to the city map to include the annexed land; and providing for a savings clause and an effective date. (A22-0003c, Roark Annexation, Ron Menguita)]

AA220003C CONDUCT A SECOND OF TWO READINGS ON THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY SEVEN ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED EAST OF BONNIE BRAY STREET AND APPROXIMATELY 1000FT SOUTH OF VINTAGE BOULEVARD INTO THE CITY OF DENTON, DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN ANNEXATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE HERE.

THE REQUEST IS TO CONDUCT THE SECOND OF TWO READINGS OF THE ORDINANCE AGAINST SEVEN ACRES.

AS MENTIONED IN THE INTRODUCTION, YOU CAN SEE WHERE WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY LOCATED.

FOR THE RECORD, I'M GOING TO READ THE CAPTION OF THE ORDINANCE AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY SEVEN ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED EAST OF BONNIE BRAY STREET AND APPROXIMATELY 1000FT SOUTH OF VINTAGE BOULEVARD INTO THE CITY OF DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS.

PROVIDING FOR CORRECTION TO THE CITY MAP TO INCLUDE THE ANNEXED LAND AND PROVIDING FOR A SAVINGS CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MAYOR. THIS ITEM DOES REQUIRE ACTION.

AND THIS, IF APPROVED OR APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, WOULD ANNEX THE PROPERTY INTO THE CITY.

GOT IT. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING? NONE.

I WILL THEN TAKE A MOTION.

MAYOR PRO TEM.

I MOVE APPROVAL. COUNCILMAN BYRD A SECOND.

OKAY. MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM.

SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD.

DID COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS RECUSE OR NO? OKAY. OKAY. GOT IT. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

OKAY. GOT IT.

JUST BEFORE WE VOTE, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

OKAY, GREAT. SO LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

IN THAT PASSES 6 TO 0.

THANKS AGAIN, RON.

TAKES US TO ITEM B ID 23577.

[B. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton, Texas, supporting legislation to create Tabor Ranch Municipal Management District through Act of the 88th Legislature of the State of Texas; and providing an effective date.]

CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, SUPPORTING LEGISLATION TO CREATE TABOR RANCH MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT THROUGH AN ACT OF THE 88TH LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

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GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

COUNCIL SCOTT MCDONALD, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TABOR RANCH, WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF WHY WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING.

THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS IN DENTON'S ETJ.

IT IS CURRENTLY THROUGH THE PROCESS OR GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF A MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT OR A MUD.

THEY HAVE REQUESTED TO ADVOCATE AT THE LEGISLATURE FOR A MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

THE TWO ARE VERY SIMILAR.

THEY JUST PROVIDE DIFFERENT FINANCING VEHICLES FOR THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITY IS JUST GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS TO EXPLORE THE OPTION AND THE OPTIONS GOING FORWARD.

FOR TABOR RANCH.

THIS PROJECT WAS BROUGHT TO THE CITY IN APRIL OF 2022.

WE HAD SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM AT THAT TIME, DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE WITH IT.

THEY WENT ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS GOING THROUGH THE MUD PROCESS.

IN AUGUST OF 2022, WE RECEIVED CONSENT FOR TABOR RANCH MUD TO BE CREATED THROUGH 2022, 2023.

STAFF AND THE DEVELOPER HAVE BEEN IN VARIOUS MEETINGS WITH A NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPERS IN THE ETJ, JUST WORKING TO CRAFT TERMS FOR ANY POTENTIAL AGREEMENTS.

WE HAD A CLOSED SESSION ITEM IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR TO JUST TO DISCUSS AS THE STATUS OF WHERE THAT IS AT.

AND THEN AS OF FEBRUARY 6TH, THE CITY DID RECEIVE NOTICE OF AN INTENT TO INTRODUCE LEGISLATION.

THAT'S WHAT WE ARE REACTING TO.

AND HERE TODAY TO WALK THROUGH THAT, JUST TO PROVIDE THE LOCATION FOR TABOR RANCH.

TABOR RANCH IS WEST ON 380.

IT IS ADJACENT TO SOME OTHER MUDS IN THE AREA.

IT IS APPROXIMATELY 599 ACRES.

THEY'VE BROKEN THAT UP INTO A PROPOSED 408 ACRES OF SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH IS 2200 LOTS, OR APPROXIMATELY 2200, LOTS OF VARYING INTENSITIES.

THEY HAVE 17 ACRES SLATED FOR COMMERCIAL AND THEN ULTIMATELY 143 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE AND PARKS.

STAFF DOES RECOMMEND SUPPORT.

THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY SUPPORT OF THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.

IT'S THE SUPPORT THAT THE OPPORTUNITY EXISTS FOR THE LEGISLATION TO GO FORWARD AND TEXAS TO ALLOW FOR THE MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

IF THAT IN FACT OCCURS, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO COME BACK TO THE CITY AND THE CITY MUST CONSENT TO THE MMD.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY IN THE IN THE LEGISLATION IS CRAFTED THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT MUST BE EXECUTED BY SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025. SO THEY'RE REQUIRED TO EXECUTE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF DENTON.

I WILL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND QUESTIONS FOR FOR STAFF SCREENS COMING BACK.

BEAR WITH ME. COUNCIL MEMBER.

WHAT'S. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AND SCOTT, I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR ME IS ALSO WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.

WE WERE WE HAD A CLOSED SESSION ON IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN DOCUMENTS WERE PASSED OUT IN THAT CLOSED SESSION REGARDING DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT.

IS THAT WAS THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS LIMITED TO CLOSED SESSION, I GUESS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I WILL SAY TO YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THE CLOSED SESSION.

I'VE LOOKED AT OTHER INFORMATION AND DONE SOME CALCULATIONS, SO I MAY STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THIS JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIME OF THE GNAGE.

SO WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY IN THE TIMELINE WAS THAT THE MUD WAS REQUESTED.

AND WHEN WAS IT THE THE THE MUD OR THE MUD? THE MUD IN LAST YEAR.

OKAY. AND IT WAS GRANTED WE GOT.

WHEN WAS IT. IT'S STILL IT'S STILL IN PROCESS BUT WE DON'T IT'S IN PROCESS WITHOUT OUR CONSENT.

CORRECT. OKAY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCILMAN DAVIS? THANK YOU, SCOTT. SO I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM IS TO CONSENT TO A RESOLUTION CONSENTING TO LEGISLATION, NOT TO CREATE THE MMD, BUT TO CONSENT TO LEGISLATION THAT THE LEGISLATURE MAY OR MAY NOT ADOPT THAT WOULD ALLOW CREATION OF IT AT SOME FUTURE DATE.

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AND THAT WOULD BE A NEGOTIATED PROCESS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER.

THE LEGISLATURE WILL MEET FOR A NUMBER OF WEEKS, YET A NUMBER OF MONTHS.

YET THEY HAVE A SHORT FUZE, A SHORT TIMELINE.

BUT IF WE GOT NOTICE OF NOTICE OF WHAT DID YOU PHRASE IT NOTICE OF INTENT TO INTRODUCE LEGISLATION THEN THE LEGISLATION HAS NOT.

THERE'S A DRAFT THAT WE'RE GOING TO THAT THIS RESOLUTION IS ABOUT.

IT HAS NOT YET BEEN INTRODUCED.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

WHAT IS THE DEADLINE FOR INTRODUCTION OF LEGISLATION? I BELIEVE THIS HAS TO BE IN THIS WEEK, AND I DON'T KNOW IF MACK CAN.

YEAH, I BELIEVE IT'S THE 10TH OF THIS THIS WEEK THAT HAS TO BE ACTUALLY FILED WITH THE LEGISLATURE AND THE CORRECT IF I'M WRONG, THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS DRAFT LEGISLATION WAS CIRCULATED TO CITY COUNCIL OR MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC WAS ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON WITH POSTING OF THE AGENDA.

THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH, I.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I WAS A LITTLE DISCONCERTED ABOUT THE THE SPEED OF THIS.

I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES THAT KIND OF THING CAN HAPPEN, BUT WE HAVE TO BE A DELIBERATIVE BODY AND AND DELIBERATE, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE TIME TO DELIBERATE.

SO IF WE COULD AVOID THAT IN THE FUTURE, THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL.

YES, SIR. ANYONE ELSE.

SEEING NONE. I'LL MOVE APPROVAL.

COUNCILMAN. MCGEE. WERE WE GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE FROM THE APPLICANT OR NOT? NO, IT'S. THEY DIDN'T FILL OUT A CARD.

OKAY. YEAH. MAY I ASK A QUESTION? BY ALL MEANS. I GUESS SO.

MY QUESTION IS MDS VERSUS MDS.

ARE WE ATTEMPTING TO SET A PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE WORKING OUT IN 1 OR 2 THAT WE PREFER THEY GO THROUGH, THEY GO THROUGH THE MMD PROCESS? IS THAT. NO, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

THIS JUST CAME TO US IN THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS.

IT WAS IT WAS AN OPTION THEY WERE EXPLORING AND THEY JUST HAD APPROACHED US AND WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY SEE ANY MAJOR CONCERNS ACTUALLY PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, SOME SOME BENEFIT TO THE CITY.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD.

I SAW YOUR NAME. MY QUESTION IS THAT CAN WE FORESEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENING OVER ON OUR WEST SIDE OF TOWN? ALSO KIND OF HAPPENING UP IN THE NORTHEAST AS WE PREPARE TO GROW THAT AREA? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN KIND OF FORESEE HAPPENING TO US IN THE FUTURE? AGAIN, I THINK ANYTHING IN THE COUNTY IS ULTIMATELY FAIR GAME.

IF IT'S WITHIN OUR CORPORATE LIMITS, THEN NO.

OKAY. BUT IT'S LIKELY I SHOULDN'T SAY LIKELY IT'S POSSIBLE IN THE COUNTY.

AND BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS NOT IN OUR CORPORATE LIMITS, INCORPORATED LIMITS.

THAT'S WHY THIS THIS IS COMING UP.

IT'S GIVING US AN EXTRA PAUSE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT TO GO.

SO BUT YOU CANNOT FORESEE RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANYTHING THAT REALLY IS IN NORTH IN NORTHEAST DENTON.

WE HAVE SOME THAT'S VERY NORTH CLOSE TO SANGER AND THEN PRIMARILY TO OUR WEST.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANY ANYONE ELSE? SO I'VE MOVED APPROVAL.

LOOKING FOR A SECOND? COUNCILMAN. BYRD. ARE YOU? OKAY.

THANK YOU. DISCUSSION.

IS THAT MAYOR PRO TEM, IS IT? YEAH. I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK ON YOUR MOTION AND MOVE AN ADDENDUM TO THE RESOLUTION IN SECTIONS TO MODIFY SECTIONS 51 AND 53 TO TO INCLUDE THAT THE CITY HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPOINT A DIRECTOR TO A SEAT ON THE BOARD AS DOCUMENTED IN THE EMAIL DISTRIBUTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.

GOT IT. YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T I'M NOT IT'S NOT A FRIENDLY A MOTION.

I'M MAKING A MOTION. OKAY. THERE WE GO.

IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? COUNCILMAN DAVIS. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION TO AMEND.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION TO ADD LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THERE HAS TO BE A HAS

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TO BE A REQUEST.

HOW DOES THAT WORK? I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A I THINK YOU SAID THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO APPOINT SOMEONE TO THE BOARD.

YEAH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE.

I'M JUST ASKING IF WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MANDATE THAT OR REQUEST.

I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR COUNCIL MEMBER BRICK.

BUT I BELIEVE WHAT THE CONCEPT WAS WAS THAT THAT WOULD BE PUT INTO THE LEGISLATION SO THAT THE CITY, IF IT CHOSE TO DO SO, WOULD BE ABLE TO REQUIRE THAT A BOARD MEMBER APPOINTED BY THE CITY BE ON THE BOARD.

GO AHEAD. YOU HAVE NO, WE'RE OKAY.

OKAY. GOT IT.

OKAY. UM, BUT MY QUESTION IS, DID WE DRAFT THE DOCUMENT? IT WAS THIS IS THE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.

HE REFERENCED AN EMAIL SENT OUT EARLIER FROM FROM MYSELF THAT WAS BASED ON THE SAME EXACT LANGUAGE THAT WAS PUT INTO A COUPLE OTHER MDS THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

THAT CONCEPT IS EXACTLY IDENTICAL TO WHAT WAS IN THOSE AND THE CITY HAVING THE ABILITY TO ADD A BOARD MEMBER TO THOSE OTHER COAL AND HUNTER RANCH BOARDS AS WELL.

I GOT IT, BUT I'M TRYING TO STEP THROUGH IT A LITTLE SLOWER.

THE MD AGREEMENT THAT'S IN OUR BACKUP, DID THE CITY OF DENTON DRAFT THAT? THAT'S LEGISLATION THAT'S NOT DRAFTED BY THE CITY.

THAT'S ACTUALLY A TEMPLATE BASED ON WHAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE HAS PROMULGATED AS THEIR IDEAL TEMPLATE, THAT THERE WAS A FEW CHANGES MADE BY THE DEVELOPER AS WELL AS A FEW CHANGES MADE BY THE CITY TO THAT IN ORDER TO MORE SYNC UP A LITTLE BIT BETTER WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY ON SOME OTHER ROUNDS.

BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DOES THIS THEN MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS, DOES THIS BODY HAVE THE ABILITY TO MANDATE THAT THAT, HEY, THIS DOCUMENT SHALL INCLUDE THIS LANGUAGE, OR DOES IT DOES THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE THE ABILITY TO REQUEST IF YOU ARE INCLINED TO ADD THIS, PLEASE DO.

RIGHT. RIGHT. NOW, WHAT IT SAYS IN THE RESOLUTION IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIES WITH WHATEVER IS ATTACHED TO THAT RESOLUTION.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE US SAYING IF IT COMES BACK AND GETS APPROVED AND SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME FORM AS WHAT WE'RE APPROVING HERE, THEN WE AS A COUNCIL SUPPORT IT.

BUT IF I HEARD YOU RIGHT, YOU SAID THAT WAS THE NEGOTIATIONS BACK AND FORTH, WHEREAS THIS IS ONE WAY, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAD A CONVERSATION.

I'M NOT I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH THAT.

I'M JUST SAYING HOW DO WE GET FROM BACK AND FORTH CONVERSATION TO THESE THINGS AGREED TO UNILATERALLY FROM HERE YOU SHALL.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE OTHER PARTY OR KNOW WHAT'S IN YOUR BACKUP WAS ALREADY REVIEWED BY THE DEVELOPER.

THEY ARE FINE WITH WHAT'S IN THERE.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MOTION, THE MOTION AT HAND HERE.

I WOULD DEFER TO SCOTT. HE'S HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER TO SEE IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT LANGUAGE, IF IT'D BE MANDATED BY THE CITY THAT THAT BE INCLUDED.

RIGHT. BUT THAT BY THE.

GOT IT. I TRACK WITH YOU, I TRACK WITH YOU THAT YOU CAN ANSWER IT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M 100% WITH YOU.

BUT WHAT I AM SAYING, THOUGH, IS WHAT'S MISSING IS FOR ME JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.

DOES DOES JUST THIS BEING ONE SIDED GET IT DONE RIGHT? IF WE DON'T CONSULT WITH THE WITH THE WITH THE APPLICANT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, CAN WE UNILATERALLY CHANGE THAT DOCUMENT WITHOUT THEIR AGREEMENT? YEAH. SO THERE'S TWO WAYS OF THINKING ABOUT IT.

ONE IS YOU COULD CHANGE IT AND SAY IT HAS TO ABSOLUTELY HAS TO LOOK LIKE WHAT WE JUST APPROVED OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT.

AND IF IT IF SOMETHING GETS APPROVED THAT'S NOT THE SAME, THEN COUNCIL ULTIMATELY WOULD SAY THAT'S NOT WHAT WE APPROVED AND ADOPTED.

OR YOU COULD SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO BE APPROVED AND THEY CAN TAKE IT FORWARD.

AND ULTIMATELY THE LEGISLATURE COULD APPROVE WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO APPROVE IF IT DOESN'T SYNC UP WITH WHAT WE AS THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE APPROVED HERE TONIGHT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AT THAT POINT WHETHER WE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT IT.

RIGHT. AND THEN SO BEFORE US, THE CONVERSATION AND THIS IS NOT FOR YOU, THIS I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD.

SO THE ISSUE IS THAT THEY GAVE US A DOCUMENT ON FRIDAY THAT WE HAD ALL WEEKEND TO REVIEW.

DID ANYONE MEET WITH YOU ON MONDAY? WE RECEIVED THE DOCUMENT PRIOR TO THAT.

SURE. IT GOT THE STATEMENT FROM THE DAIS WAS WE GOT IT FRIDAY.

I'M GOING TO RUN WITH THAT. ANYONE SCHEDULED A MEETING WITH YOU MONDAY.

KNOW ANYONE SCHEDULED YOU A MEETING WITH YOU TODAY? NO. GREAT.

OKAY, SO THEN WE HAVE A CHANGE TO THE DOCUMENT WE'RE PUTTING FORWARD RIGHT NOW THAT NO ONE'S HAD ANY NOTICE OF.

AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY. GOT IT.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION.

IF WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DISCUSS A CHANGE TO A DOCUMENT THAT CAME TO US THAT WAS NOT FROM US, IS IT APPROPRIATE IF WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE OKAY WITH THIS, THAT THIS JAMS HIM UP? I JUST. I CAN WE CAN WE? SURE. YEAH. THAT'S BRIEFLY.

WHICHEVER THE APPLICANT WANTS TO SPEAK TO THAT OR THE APPLICANT MAY BE THE WRONG TERM, BUT YES.

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MY NAME IS KIRK WILSON.

I WAS ALSO SARA ADDRESS, CORRECT? NO, NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO. I ABANDONED THAT.

OKAY. TO TO GO BACK TO THE THE QUESTION ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT, WE'RE FINE WITH THE AMENDMENT.

THIS THIS TEMPLATE LANGUAGE THAT THE LEGISLATURE IS USING NOW.

TEN YEARS AGO, THESE MDS STARTED BEING MODIFIED.

THERE REALLY WASN'T A TEMPLATE PRIOR TO LAST SESSION.

THEY WERE BROADLY EACH ONE WAS DIFFERENT.

THE MAJORITY OF THE MDS ARE REALLY IN THE HOUSTON AREA AND THEY THEY SERVE SPECIFIC PURPOSES.

BUT AS THE YEARS WENT BY, MDS WERE TAILOR MADE AND LAST SESSION WE STARTED COMING UP WITH MORE OF A TEMPLATE IN THE SENATE, AND THE HOUSE AGREED TO A TEMPLATE.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR BACKUP IS WHAT WE CALL A TEMPLATE BILL.

THERE ARE OPTIONS YOU CAN ADD INTO A TEMPLATE BILL AND ALSO THERE'S AMENDMENTS THAT WE CAN ADD, SUCH AS THE ONE COUNCILMAN BECK IS ASKING FOR.

WE WILL ASK THAT THAT BE INCLUDED AND WE WILL ATTEMPT TO GET THAT THROUGH THE COMMITTEE AND THROUGH THE FULL HOUSE AND FULL SENATE THE WAY THE CITY WANTS IT.

IF AT ANY POINT THE BILL BECOMES SOMETHING YOU DON'T SUPPORT, YOU ALL CAN TELL THE LEGISLATURE'S LEGISLATURE NOT TO ACT OR NOT ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH US IF IT'S SO EGREGIOUS THAT IT WOULDN'T WORK FOR YOU.

SO I THINK YOU HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS.

WE'RE FINE WITH THE AMENDMENT AND WE'LL WORK TO GET THAT PASSED THAT WAY.

BUT IN GENERAL, THE TEMPLATE BILLS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ALL THE SAME AND THEN YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PICK OFF CERTAIN OPTIONS TO PUT IN THEM.

GOT IT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THE BEFORE US IS THE MOTION TO AMEND.

IT'S A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

I'M GOING TO JUST CLEARLY SAY I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S IT'S NOT IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

IT'S IN OUR TO OUR FURTHEST REACH FROM THE COUNTY.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE IS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND CITING PREVIOUS NOTES, WE'VE BEEN GIVEN NO NOTICE TO REVIEW THIS, TO TALK ABOUT IT.

SO I'M JUST NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT.

COUNCILMAN MCGEE. I'LL JUST BRIEFLY SAY I THINK I'M GOING TO COSIGN ON THAT, MR. MAYOR. MY CONCERN IS THAT AS WE GO FORWARD, THIS IS SOMETHING THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT STAFF HAS TO DO THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

SO IF WE CAN GO THAT ROUTE, I'D PREFER THAT WE GO THAT ROUTE.

SO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. OKAY.

SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT? THE MOTION TO AMEND? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

AND THE AMENDMENT FAILS.

THREE THREE TAKES US TO OUR UNDERLYING MOTION TO APPROVE THE MMD MOTION BY ME.

SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION TO TO ADOPT? NO, WE HAVE A SECOND COUNCILMAN WATTS YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK.

SO, SCOTT, DO YOU KNOW, NOT JUST WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT FROM THE ETJ, FROM OUR CITY BOUNDARIES TO THE WEST, I THINK WE JUST SAW IN ONE OF THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS THERE WERE SEVERAL MDS OR SEVERAL MUDS OR SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE BEING PROPOSED.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE POTENTIAL LOT COUNT IS FOR THE TOTALITY OF I THINK THERE WAS 4 OR 5 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT WERE MENTIONED OF THAT STRIP THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT ALONG 380 IS APPROXIMATELY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 7 AND 10, 7000.

8000. OKAY.

SO I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT NOT JUST WITH THE CURRENT REQUEST THAT'S BEFORE US WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT, BUT FROM AT LEAST FROM WHAT I'VE SAW ON THE MAP, IT SEEMED LIKE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT BEFORE US IS THE ONE THAT'S THE FARTHEST WEST, CORRECT? HUNTER RANCH DEVELOPMENT ALONE, NOT COLE RANCH, BUT IS IS 6000 HOMES.

SO WHAT WE HAVE BEING PROPOSED NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT COLLECTIVELY, AT LEAST FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD OF, IS ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID, 6 TO 10,000, SOMETHING THE SIZE OF THE HUNTER RANCH DEVELOPMENT, NOT COLE IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE MORE I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO ADD ADDITIONAL HOMES.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD NOT JUST THE MAGNITUDE OF THIS PARTICULAR ONE, BUT WHAT IS THE MAGNITUDE OF ALL THE ONES FROM OUR CITY LIMITS TO THIS WESTERNMOST BOUNDARY AS FAR AS WE KNOW OF TODAY THAT'S BEING WE'VE TALKED TO TODAY, THERE COULD BE OTHERS COMING A YEAR OR TWO THAT WOULD ADD TO THAT COUNT.

OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT.

THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU.

MAYOR PRO TEM. YOU KNOW I'M OKAY.

I'M SORRY. COUNCILOR MCGEE, ARE YOU OKAY? AND THEN COUNCILMAN DAVIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.

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I JUST WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SAY IN PUBLIC WHAT I HAVE SAID IN PRIVATE TO STAFF.

AND TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, I WAS EMAILING WITH STAFF JUST AS SOON AS I READ THE ITEM AND THE BACKUPS AND KNEW WHAT WE WERE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH THIS EVENING.

SO NO, I DIDN'T REQUEST A MEETING, BUT I DID EMAIL WITH STAFF WHICH I THOUGHT WAS MORE RESPECTFUL OF THEIR TIME AND THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS I NEEDED TO PUT OUT IN WRITING.

THREE DAYS IS NOT ENOUGH FOR ME TO GET BEHIND LEGISLATION, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN A PROCESS THAT OPENS UP DIFFERENT NEGOTIATION POSSIBILITIES, DIFFERENT BENEFITS FOR THE CITY.

BUT I'M A I'M A NO TODAY.

AND IF THE QUESTION HAD COME TO ME TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS, SIX WEEKS AGO, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT.

BUT TO GET BEHIND LEGISLATION THAT I SAW FOR THE FIRST TIME ON FRIDAY THAT I HAVEN'T HAD ADEQUATE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH MY CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THE FOLKS WHO ARE PAYING TAXES IN THE CURRENT CITY OF DENTON OR PAYING THEIR WATER BILLS IN THE CURRENT CITY OF DENTON ABOUT WHAT THIS DOES TO OUR EVENTUAL WESTERN BORDER.

I'M NOT READY TO MAKE A TO SUPPORT THIS YET.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M A NO.

THAT'S WHY I REMAIN A NO.

THINGS MIGHT HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT IF THINGS HAD GONE DIFFERENTLY.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HAVE VERY SIMILAR CONCERNS.

THE TIME FRAME, THE SPEED.

I'M NOT POINTING FINGERS.

I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS HAPPENS.

I SAID THAT EARLIER, SO I WON'T BELITTLE IT OR BELABOR IT, RATHER, BUT THIS THE SPEED OF THIS.

I SHARE SOME OF COUNCILOR DAVIS'S CONCERN.

WE HAVEN'T I DON'T THINK THIS BODY HAS HAD A CHANCE TO DO DUE DILIGENCE, BUT WITH THE WITH THE THE PROTECTIONS THAT I THINK MAYBE HOPEFULLY ARE STILL IN PLACE.

I HAVE SOME OF THE SAME HEARTBURN YOU HEARD EARLIER.

YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZE THAT FOR ALL THE PARTIES.

BUT I'LL I'LL SIDE WITH THIS TO SORT OF LOCK IN FUTURE WATER RIGHTS COUNCILMAN BYRD.

I'VE BEEN PREPARING MYSELF.

I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT THIS.

I THINK THAT THIS IS JUST GOING TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO START HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE THESE DEVELOPERS ARE COMING.

AND IF WE ARE, I JUST DON'T WANT US TO STIFLE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR GOOD GROWTH.

WE'VE BEEN HARPING ON THE FACT THAT WE'VE BEEN PUTTING TOO MANY APARTMENT COMPLEXES UP.

WHY ARE YOU WHY ARE YOU ALL APPROVING SO MANY APARTMENT COMPLEXES? WHERE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOODS? WE WANT HOMES IN OUR IN OUR CITY.

WE DON'T JUST WANT A CITY FULL OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES, WHICH WE CERTAINLY DO APPROVE THOSE.

SO I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT THIS DEVELOPER IS GOING TO TO DO, HOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER.

BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE THE DOOR OPEN TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

SO IT'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT I'LL SAY YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, FOR FOR ME, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS LEGISLATION BECAUSE BECAUSE OF WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM AND MR. DAVIS SAID FOR FOR THE EXACT OPPOSITE REASON FOR WHAT THEY SAID, ESSENTIALLY THIS DOESN'T LOCK US INTO SUPPORTING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THIS JUST GETS THE BALL ROLLING.

SO I SUPPORT THIS.

AND TO COSIGN ON WHAT MS..

BYRD SAID, MY PRIORITY IS MAKING SURE THAT THE WORKING PEOPLE OF DENTON HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO OWN HOMES.

WE KNOW THAT MOST WORKING PEOPLE, THEIR EQUITY IS TIED UP IN THEIR HOME AND I AM ALWAYS GOING TO WANT TO PROVIDE AS MANY HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AS POSSIBLE.

AND I SEE THIS AS AS BEING THAT.

AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS IT SEEMS TO ME THAT JUDGE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THIS.

HE COULD HAVE JUST CREATED A MUD AROUND IT LIKE THE LEGENDS OR ANY OTHER ANY OTHER DISTRICT OUT THERE.

SO I APPRECIATE THE EXTRA STEP AND THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY.

I SEE THE PROCESS STARTED LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, IN APRIL.

SO I, I THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD THING AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SUPPORTING THIS.

SO COUNCILWOMAN WHAT'S YEAH, I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE TIME ISSUE.

I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN PLENTY OF TIME TO COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL.

I'M NOT SAYING ANYBODY'S AT FAULT EXCEPT THIS IS THIS IS TOO FAST.

AND FIRST OF ALL, LET'S MAKE CLEAR, THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO LIVE HERE ARE NOT GOING TO BE IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PEOPLE LIVING, OWNING HOMES AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, WE'RE ALL DISCUSSING THIS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT LIVING IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

THIS IS NOT IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

NOT ONLY IS IT NOT IN THE CITY OF DENTON, IT'S FOUR MILES OUTSIDE OUR PROPERTY BOUNDARY.

NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

THIS IS THE MAIN PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THIS.

IT'S NOT THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S NOT THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH AN MD.

WE'RE GOING TOO FAST.

WE'VE GOT ANOTHER LEGISLATIVE SESSION BETWEEN NOW AND 2025 AND YOU HAVE 6 TO 8000 HOMES BETWEEN OUR CITY LIMITS AND THIS DEVELOPMENT

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THAT WE HAVE HAD NO DISCUSSION ABOUT.

SO IF THERE'S ANY INFRASTRUCTURE OR ANYTHING THAT'S WE'VE GOT ALL THESE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN BETWEEN THERE THAT WE'VE NOT EVEN TALKED TO.

SO THIS IS WAY PREMATURE, QUITE FRANKLY.

AND THEY'VE ALREADY SET OUT FOR A MUD.

THE NOTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE MORE CONCERNED SOMETIMES ABOUT PEOPLE OUTSIDE OUR CITY LIMITS THAN WE ARE ABOUT PEOPLE.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO HELP THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF DENTON, EXCEPT MAYBE WITH SOME SOME MINOR COSTS.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS IF THEY DON'T GET ANNEXED IN.

THERE'S NO TAX REVENUE.

WE MAY HAVE TO PROVIDE FIRE SERVICES.

NOW, THE MMD CAN NEGOTIATE ALL THAT.

THE MMD CAN NEGOTIATE ALL THAT.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE TIME TO DO THAT.

AND TO REQUIRE ME I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SUPPORT FOR IT TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

I DID THAT ONE TIME WHEN I WAS FIRST MAYOR.

WHEN I FELT LIKE WE WERE UNDER A GUN.

YOU WERE UNDER A TIME FRAME AND IT WAS A BAD DECISION AND I VOWED I WOULD NEVER DO THAT AGAIN.

AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS, NOT BECAUSE I HAVE OPPOSED THE DEVELOPMENT, NOT BECAUSE I OPPOSED.

BUT IF THIS PASSES, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPER UNDERSTANDS WHEN THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT STARTS GETTING NEGOTIATED.

IT'S GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE TO SEE WHAT THE TERMS ARE.

SO BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT IT BASED UPON THE TIME FRAME.

IT'S NOT THE PRINCIPLE, IT'S NOT THE PHILOSOPHY, IT'S NOT THE DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S THAT I CAN'T DO MY CONSTITUENTS WITHIN THE CITY OF DENTON JUSTICE BY SAYING I'M GOING TO SPEND THIS TIME AND DO THESE THINGS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF INFORMATION.

FOR A COMMUNITY OF 2000 HOMES THAT'S FOUR MILES OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

THAT'S NOT STAFFS FAULT. THAT'S NOT ANYBODY'S FAULT.

IT'S A TIMING ISSUE.

AND THAT'S THAT'S OKAY.

YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT UNTIL, WHAT, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

SO IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU NOT COMING FORWARD WITH INFORMATION.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT.

IT'S NOT ABOUT STAFF SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS OR SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT OR SHOULD NOT HAVE BROUGHT.

THAT'S NOT IT. SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO STAND THERE THINKING THAT SOMEHOW YOU OR YOUR DEPARTMENT OR WHATEVER HAS ANY RESPONSE.

IT'S NOT YOU DID WITH WHAT YOU HAD.

WE ALREADY CONSIDERED THE MUD.

WE MADE OUR POLICY DECISION ON THE MUD WITH ADEQUATE DELIBERATION BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER APPROACHED US WITH IT AND WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT.

WE DECIDED NOT TO DO ANYTHING.

THIS IS TWO WEEKS.

IT'S REALLY EVEN LESS THAN THAT.

SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST IT BY PRINCIPLE BECAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR ME GIVEN THE TIME FRAME, BECAUSE WE HAVE TIME TO DO IT AND TO DO IT RIGHT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO IT DURING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, I GUESS.

BUT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE I CAN'T DO THAT.

SO NOTHING ABOUT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.

SCOTT YOU DO.

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT.

IT'S ABOUT YOU WERE PUT IN A BAD POSITION IN A SENSE BECAUSE YOU WERE BRINGING IT FORWARD TO US.

THE LEGISLATURE HAS 2 OR 3 MONTHS, AND WHEN YOU SAID THIS HAS TO BE SUBMITTED, WHEN WAS IT BY THE WHEN? 10TH, THE 10TH, WHICH IS RIGHT? FRIDAY. I MEAN, COME ON.

COME ON, COLLEAGUES.

REALLY. I MEAN, WE'RE ASKED TO MAKE A DECISION THAT HAS TO BE DONE WITH FOUR DAYS LEFT ON SOMETHING WE KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT BECAUSE WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'LL GET ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE.

WELL, THIS IS ABOUT STANDING UP AND SAYING, OKAY, BECAUSE THIS PRINCIPLE, THIS PRECEDENT WE SET, THERE ARE ANOTHER 5000 HOMES TO 8000 HOMES BETWEEN THE CITY LIMITS AND THIS DEVELOPMENT.

DO WE WANT EVERY ONE OF THEM COMING TO US IN THIS KIND OF LIMITED TIMEFRAME? BECAUSE WE JUST I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT.

I'M JUST NOT GOING TO DO IT. SO I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST THIS.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE? SEEING NONE. SO I'LL JUST CLOSE OUT WITH THIS.

HERE'S THE THING.

FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG, NOT TALKING TO ANYONE HERE AT THE DAIS, TALKING TO THE FOUR PEOPLE THAT WATCH THESE MEETINGS ONLINE AND THOSE IN THE ROOM.

HERE'S THE THING.

THE STATE LEGISLATURE ONLY MEETS ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS.

THE CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T MEET AGAIN UNTIL THE 21ST, AND THAT'S AN ABBREVIATED MEETING TO GET THIS THING DONE.

AND IT'S JUST THE AUTHORIZATION TO COME BACK AND HAMMER OUT ALL THE DETAILS THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THOSE THAT'S TO COME.

SO DON'T MAKE IT DON'T TAKE THE BAIT AND SEEM LIKE THIS IS IMMINENT.

ONE, TWO.

I'M GOING TO NOTE THIS MEETING AND SET A TIME STAMP FOR THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HARD CONVERSATIONS, I GUESS, ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT COMES BEFORE US THAT IS OUTSIDE THE CITY AS SOMEHOW WEIGHTING THAT.

AND SO I MADE A FEW NOTES.

ONE, THINK BACK TO JUST EARLIER TONIGHT WHEN THE P AND Z VOTED 4 TO 3 FOR PROPERTY THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.

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I DIDN'T HEAR ANY OUTRAGE ABOUT THE P AND Z.

I HOPE THAT THOSE ON THIS BODY THAT ARE UPSET ABOUT THAT WILL REACH OUT TO THEIR P AND Z MEMBER AND MENTION, HEY, WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE CITY OF DENTON AND ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF DENTON. I TAKE ISSUE WITH YOU USING THAT IN YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT GREEN TREE ESTATES, NOT IN THE CITY OF DENTON, THAT WE HAD TO BRING WATER TO THEM BECAUSE IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

THEN ALSO, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TIME THAT WE SPEND MANAGING DCTA, WHICH IS A SEPARATE GOVERNMENT ENTITY THAT SOMEHOW EATS UP A LOT OF OUR TIME.

SO I'D LIKE TO DIS EVOLVE OR DIS EVOLVE OUR DISAVOW OURSELVES OF RUNNING THAT ORGANIZATION.

AND THEN I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THOSE THAT FOLKS FROM HARTLEY FIELD THAT REACH OUT TO US REGULARLY THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HARTLEY FIELD ROAD AND ALL OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, I THINK WE SHOULD LET THEM KNOW.

I GUESS WE NEED TO SEND THEM AN EMAIL THAT SAYS, HEY, YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY AND WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONSIDER YOUR INTEREST.

AND SO I'LL SAY THIS.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT AND HERE'S WHAT HERE'S WHERE I DO AGREE WITH WHAT SAID.

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE GET OUR EYES UP AND THAT WE START LOOKING FORWARD AND THAT WE GIVE DIRECTION AND THAT WE START GIVING CLEAR DIRECTION.

STAFF POINTED OUT THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT STARTED BACK IN 2022 ON HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE MUD'S STAFF HAS TALKED TO US A NUMBER OF TIMES, BUT HERE'S WHAT I'LL SAY TO THOSE LISTENING. WE DON'T MANAGE THE CITY SHOCKER.

WE WE DON'T.

I DON'T WORK HERE.

I GET UPDATED FROM STAFF.

STAFF IS IN THE TRENCHES EVERY DAY OF EVERY MOMENT HAMMERING THESE THINGS OUT AND THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

THAT'S ONE ASK QUESTIONS.

CERTAINLY THERE'S THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF TIMES WHERE I'VE COME IN AND SAT DOWN AND SAID, HEY, WE HAVE A MEETING.

BECKY AND SOME OTHER FOLKS SIT DOWN WITH ME AND WALKED ME THROUGH SOME STUFF THE OTHER DAY.

IT WAS A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE AND ME THAT DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON AND WE HAD TO COME VOTE TUESDAY.

I SAT DOWN WITH THEM, ASKED ALL MY QUESTIONS.

THEY GAVE ME ALL THE ANSWERS I NEEDED, BUT THEY PULLED IN ALL THE EXPERTS AND I SAID, HEY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.

NEED TO SIT DOWN, GET UP TO SPEED.

WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT THIS TUESDAY.

SO THAT'S THE THING, THOUGH.

THE STAFF IS IN THE TRENCHES DEALING WITH THESE THINGS DAY IN AND DAY OUT, HAVING NEGOTIATIONS, TALKING TO THE OTHER DEVELOPERS.

AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT, THE DEADLINES AND STUFF THAT'S OUT OF OUR CONTROL.

IT'S THE REPRESENTATIVES WON'T MEET FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS OR ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF.

HOWEVER, YOU DO THAT MATH, SO I UNDERSTAND IT.

I LOOK FORWARD TO IT COMING BACK AND US HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

I UNDERSTAND. I HOPE TO SEND A MESSAGE FORWARD TO THOSE OTHERS IN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE IN OUR ETJ THAT WE WANT TO WE WANT TO PARTNER WITH YOU, WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU, WE WANT TO DO THOSE THINGS. BECAUSE HERE'S THE THING.

ASK THE COUNTY.

THERE'S 82 PEOPLE PER DAY MOVING TO DENTON COUNTY AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO GO UP.

AND WE JUST HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY WITH UNT AND THEY'RE PUTTING OUT 5000 STUDENTS, I THINK, A SEMESTER FOR SURE THIS SEMESTER WHERE THEY'RE TAKING AWAY PARKING, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING. AND SO THIS AREA SHOCKER IS GROWING.

AND, YOU KNOW, AND WE GOT TO PUT THEM SOMEWHERE.

AND I THINK THEY'RE IN GREAT HANDS IN THESE AREAS.

SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE.

SO, MAYOR, I UNDERSTAND.

NO, NO, NO. ONE POINT OF ORDER.

YOU SAID THAT. YOU SAID THAT YOU SAID THE PROPERTY THAT WE VOTED ON WAS OUTSIDE THE CITY.

OKAY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. LET'S VOTE.

OH, THERE WE GO.

AND THAT PASSES FOR TWO TAKES US TO ITEM C ID 23511.

[C. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a professional services agreement with CONSOR Engineers, LLC, for construction inspection services for the 2019 Bond Program for Capital Projects as set forth in the contract; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFQ 7894-003 - professional services agreement for construction inspection services awarded to CONSOR Engineers, LLC, in the not-to-exceed amount of $8,000,000.00). The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (4 - 0).]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, A TEXAS HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH CANCER IN ENGINEERING LLC FOR CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION SERVICES FOR THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS AS SET FORTH IN THE CONTRACT.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCIL SETH GARCIA, PROGRAM MANAGER WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS.

THIS EVENING I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION FOR YOU FOR INSPECTION SERVICES RELATED TO SOME 2019 BOND PROGRAM PROJECTS.

SO FOR A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THESE INSPECTION SERVICES, WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR STREET RECONSTRUCTION PROGRAM.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT MAP ON THE RIGHT, WE DO HAVE 14 PROJECTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE STREET RECONSTRUCTION NEIGHBORHOOD PROGRAM, TEN CSP PACKAGES AND FOUR CMS. IT'S ROUGHLY $150 MILLION IN CONSTRUCTION.

AND OUR GOAL IS TO COMPLETE ALL THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECTS BY THE END OF 2026.

WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING INSPECTION SERVICES FOR BONNIE BRAY PHASE SIX, WHICH IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT 2019 BOND PROGRAM.

SO THIS IS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT LED PROJECT.

WE HAVE SOME FHWA OR FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION FUNDS TIED TO THIS PROJECT.

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IT'S GOING TO BE ROUGHLY 30 PLUS DOLLARS MILLION IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND APPROXIMATELY A TWO YEAR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

SO FOR A BRIEF LITTLE CONTRACT SUMMARY, THE 2019 STREET RECONSTRUCTION NEIGHBORHOOD PORTION, WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT $6 MILLION IN INSPECTION COSTS FOR THOSE REMAINING PROJECTS. IT WOULD BE FUNDED THROUGH THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM AND OUR UTILITY FUNDS FOR SERVICES.

WE'RE LOOKING AT CONSTRUCTION INSPECTIONS, DOCUMENTATION, SWEEP INSPECTION, PAY APPLICATION REVIEW, AND THEN, OF COURSE, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND DISPUTE SUPPORT FOR BONNIE BRAY PHASE SIX, WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ESTIMATED COST OF JUST AROUND $2 MILLION.

ONCE AGAIN, THE FUNDING SOURCES IS THAT 2019 BOND PROGRAM, UTILITY FUNDING AND THE FHWA FUNDS, ALL THE SUMMARY OF SERVICES ARE THE SAME EXCEPT FOR RECORD KEEPING IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEX DOT PROCEDURES.

SO SINCE THIS IS A LOCAL PROJECT, WE ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP DOCUMENTATION.

THE TEX DOT WAY, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE EXTENSIVE THAN YOUR NORMAL PROJECTS FOR THE FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENTS.

SO OUR INSPECTORS WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DAILY BARRICADE REPORTS, INSPECTION REPORTS, PAY APPLICATION, ACTUALLY PUTTING THE PAY APPLICATIONS TOGETHER FOR THE CONTRACTOR. SO IT'S A PRETTY HEAVY EFFORT THAT OUR GROUP IS NOT USED TO.

AND WE'RE RIGHT NOW PROJECTING PROBABLY THREE PEOPLE BEING NEEDED FOR JUST THAT ONE PROJECT ALONE.

SO IN TOTAL, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $8 MILLION.

SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE WITH THE CITY OF DENTON IN ARKANSAS FOR IT NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $8 MILLION.

AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

COUNCILMEMBER WHAT'S A QUICK QUESTION? THAT SEEMS LIKE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE SCOPE OF THIS PRIMARILY FOR INSPECTION SERVICES AND ALL THE RELATED ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS WITH THAT FOR OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS.

CORRECT. IS THAT RIGHT? I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE BACKUP AS FAR AS A BREAKDOWN OF THAT.

BUT WHAT DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY INSPECTIONS THAT ROUGHLY COVERS? I KNOW IT'S A NOT TO EXCEED.

SO IF, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT NOT EVEN SPEND THAT MUCH.

BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT COMES OUT TO PER INSPECTION WITH THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL INSPECTION AND THE RELATED DOCUMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO THIS FIRM HAS PROVIDED THEIR LABOR RATES.

WE'RE LOOKING AS SOON AS THIS IS APPROVED WITH THE ONGOING CONSTRUCTION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE PEOPLE READY TO GO AT THE END OF THE MONTH THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO THROW INTO THE FIELD.

AS WE RAMP UP INTO CONSTRUCTION, WE'LL HAVE ROUGHLY 6 OR 7 CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS GOING ON AT ONE TIME IN VARIOUS AREAS ALL AROUND THE CITY.

AT OUR PEAK TIME, WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING UP TO EIGHT INSPECTORS ON THIS ONE PROGRAM.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, AS WE MOVE DOWN THROUGH 2026, THAT RAMPS BACK DOWN TO I THINK WE END WITH THREE INSPECTIONS FOLKS.

SO THEY'RE BASICALLY CHARGING THEIR HOURLY RATE, WHICH RANGES FROM, I WOULD SAY $120 TO $150 A TRUCK RATE.

AND OF COURSE, WE'RE ON BILLED HOURS THAT THEY'RE ON THESE PROJECTS.

SO THAT'S A THAT'S AN HOURLY RATE, CORRECT? 120 TO 150.

OKAY. AND SO I GUESS YOU ALL DID THE ANALYSIS OF AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A TIMING ISSUE AS FAR AS GETTING PEOPLE BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE ON STAFF WHO CAN DO INSPECTIONS, I MEAN, DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO ALL THESE INSPECTIONS.

AND SO THERE WAS AN ANALYSIS DONE OF, OKAY, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

I MEAN, UP TO $8 MILLION FOR WHAT IS THAT? HOW MANY YEARS OVER WHAT THREE YEARS? IS THAT RIGHT? SO I'M SURE YOU'VE DONE THE ANALYSIS OF, OKAY, IF WE HAD IF WE HAD IF WE HIRED 6 OR 7 ADDITIONAL INSPECTORS WHO WEREN'T NEEDING TO BE TRAINED, WHO COULD HIT THE GROUND RUNNING, YOU'VE GOT TO PAY THEM BENEFITS.

YOU'VE GOT TO DO ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

SO IT CAME OUT TO I'M SURE IT WOULD PROBABLY BEEN A LITTLE LESS.

BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE ADDITIONAL COST IS IS OKAY BECAUSE IT PROVIDES A TIMELINESS TO THE INSPECTIONS.

IT PROVIDES MAYBE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY.

I MEAN, HOW MANY INSPECTIONS WILL THESE PEOPLE BE DOING A DAY? I MEAN, IF YOU'VE GOT EIGHT PEOPLE ON ON SITE, THEY'RE ALL EIGHT OUT THERE INSPECTING THESE PROJECTS.

THAT IS CORRECT. SO A GOOD EXAMPLE IS SOUTHEAST DENTON PACKAN B IS OUR FIRST THAT WE JUST WENT INTO CONSTRUCTION WITH MCCARTHY IN MONTH ONE.

THEY HAVE SIX CREWS WORKING ON SIX DIFFERENT ROADWAYS.

OKAY? AND THEIR FIRST ESTIMATE WAS ROUGHLY $1.2 MILLION IN CONSTRUCTION.

WE HAVE ONE INSPECTOR THAT HAS THE AVAILABILITY TO SPEND ABOUT TWO HOURS PER DAY ON THAT PROJECT.

THAT'S WATERING. SURE.

AND THAT'S INADEQUATE. I MEAN, YOU EITHER GO WITH UNTIMELY INSPECTIONS OR YOU'RE SORT OF PRESSURE TO GET THROUGH THE INSPECTIONS.

AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DO IT WITH MY OWN STUFF.

SOMETIMES IF I'M IN A HURRY, I MISS THINGS.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO TREVOR CRANE, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.

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SO THE OTHER THING THIS ALLOWS US TO DO, IT'S SCALABLE.

SO WE DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, AS I WOULD LOVE TO HIRE EIGHT MORE PEOPLE, TEN MORE PEOPLE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS, THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY IS BASED ON THAT BOND SALE.

WE'RE EXPECTING MORE BOND SALES IN THE FUTURE.

BUT IF FOR SOME REASON IT DOESN'T PASS, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND LAY OFF EIGHT PEOPLE.

AND THEN YOU ALSO MENTIONED KIND OF THE TRAINING ASPECT OF IT.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OPEN FTES NOW AND FINDING GOOD INSPECTORS TO COME IN THAT CAN THAT WE CAN THAT ARE SHORT, EASILY TRAINED AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THOSE THINGS TAKE TIME. SO, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO GET GET THESE INSPECTORS IN QUICKLY, THEY CAN HIT THE GROUND RUNNING.

THEY KNOW THEY'RE THEY'RE OPERATING JUST AS AN EXTENSION OF OUR STAFF.

SO THEY'RE USING OUR PROCORE SOFTWARE SYSTEM, DOING THE SAME THINGS THAT OUR INTERNAL STAFF ARE DOING.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OUR CURRENT PUBLIC WORKS INSPECTION STAFF, THEY'RE CURRENTLY TASKED WITH ALL THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE, ALONG WITH ALL THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE.

AND SO YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT AND CAPITAL PROJECTS WE'VE BEEN PUTTING OUT.

SO THEY'RE STRETCHED REALLY THIN.

WE'RE TRACKING ALL ALL OF THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WE'RE SPENDING ON INSPECTIONS.

AND THEN AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO REEVALUATE THAT WITH FINANCE AND THAT AND SEE IF IT MAKES SENSE TO HIRE SOME MORE PEOPLE ON STAFF.

AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE CONTRACT WOULD INCLUDE, IF SOMEHOW THERE'S A FAILURE IN ONE OF OUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT IS DUE TO EITHER AN INADEQUATE INSPECTION OR SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ATTRIBUTED TO THAT PROCESS.

IS THERE TERMS IN THE CONTRACT THAT PROVIDE FOR COLLECTION OF I DON'T KNOW IF DAMAGES IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY MISSED AN INSPECTION AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GET THIS BIG SINKHOLE IN THE GROUND, NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS CONTRACT WITH THESE INSPECTION SERVICES.

SO THE THE INSPECTORS DON'T DIRECT THE CONTRACTORS.

SO IT'S ALWAYS ON THE CONTRACTOR TO TO INSTALL EVERYTHING PER PER THE SPECS, THE INSPECTORS ON SITE.

FOR QUALITY ASSURANCE, NOT QUALITY CONTROL.

SO QUALITY ASSURANCE MEANS THAT WE'RE OUT THERE WATCHING THEM, MAKING SURE THINGS ARE INSTALLED CORRECTLY.

BUT IF IT WERE TO FAIL, THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO GO BACK ON THE CONTRACTOR.

THE POINT OF THIS IS NOW WE HAVE THE ADEQUATE DOCUMENTATION.

WE HAVE INSPECTION INSPECTION STAFF ON SITE THAT IS MONITORING THIS, HOW THIS WORK IS GOING.

WE'RE SEEING AS SEEING THIS WORK BEING DONE.

YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS DIRECT OUR INSPECTORS.

IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT'S WRONG, BRING IT UP.

NOW, THE CONTRACTOR STILL HAS THE THEY CAN STILL INSTALL IT INCORRECTLY IF THEY WANT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TELL THEM YOU'RE NOT GETTING PAID FOR IT.

WE'RE DOCUMENTING IT, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO IT ALWAYS KIND OF FALLS BACK ON THE CONTRACTOR.

OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO, YEAH, I GUESS I HAVE A SORT OF GENERAL QUESTION SIMILAR TO COUNCILOR WATTS, AND HE ASKED MOST OF THEM.

SO I WON'T I WON'T REPEAT THEM.

BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M, I'M GOING TO LOOK FOR IN GENERAL AND MAYBE IT'S NOT FAIR TO TO YOU AS THE POINT MAN ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, BUT BUT MAYBE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND CITY LEADERSHIP IN GENERAL IS CAN CAN WE GET A THRESHOLD FOR WHAT'S THE RIGHT POINT TO SEND SOMETHING OUT FOR CONSULTATION AND AND LIKE WHEN WE'RE DOING THREE OF THEM IS THREE WHEN WE SIT IN HOUSE OR IS IT FIVE AND I KNOW IT'S GOING TO VARY FROM PROJECT TO PROJECT.

AND, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S REALLY AN UNFAIR QUESTION.

I RECOGNIZE THAT. BUT IT WOULD HELP ME AT LEAST HAVE SOME THRESHOLD GUIDELINES FOR WHEN DOES IT MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE AND WHERE WHEN IS THAT BREAK POINT WHERE ALL THE GOOD THINGS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED TO COUNCILOR WATTS? YEAH, YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE PASSING THE THRESHOLD.

THAT'S WHEN WE NEED TO GIVE YOU THREE MORE EMPLOYEES OR SOMETHING.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A BETTER FEEL FOR WHAT THAT BREAK POINT IS, RIGHT? SO, SO WE DEFINITELY HAVE SOME OF THAT DATA WE CAN SHARE WITH YOU.

SO WE'VE DONE WE DID THE SAME THING FOR OUR PROJECT MANAGEMENT STAFF THAT WE DID THE SAME THING FOR OUR INSPECTION STAFF THAT WE DID FOR OUR PROJECT MANAGEMENT STAFF.

WE LOOKED AT KIND OF WHAT INDUSTRY STANDARD IS FOR HOW MUCH, HOW MANY INSPECTIONS, HOW MANY HOURS A DAY AN INSPECTOR SHOULD BE ON SITE.

YOU KNOW, SAME THING WE DID WITH PROJECT MANAGERS, HOW HOW BIG OF A WORKLOAD THEY CAN HANDLE.

SO WE HAVE ALL THAT DATA.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WORKED WITH OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS CASSIE TO LOOK AT WHEN IT MAKES SENSE TO EITHER HIRE MORE STAFF, WHEN WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL FTES OR WHEN WE WANT TO USE THIS THIS VEHICLE TO TO USE OUTSIDE STAFF.

SO WE HAVE THAT DATA, LOVE, LOVE TO SPEND IT WITH YOU OR SHOW IT TO YOU.

AND THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF USING THIS RFQ, IS THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE DATA MOVING FORWARD THAT SAYS, OKAY, WE'VE WE'VE USED THIS MULTIPLE TIMES FOR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

NOW WE BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS MUCH MORE WORK COMING.

IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL FTES AT THIS POINT AND THEN WE'LL ASK FOR THOSE THROUGH THE BUDGET.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.

THANK YOU. JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION TOO, THAT MIGHT HELP IS AS WE WIND DOWN BOND PROJECTS NOW, WE HAVE $1.1 BILLION.

WE'RE WORKING ON PROJECTS HERE.

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AND THAT EVEN BECKY SAID WOULD, IF WE WANTED TO HIRE, WOULD BE 30 TO 40 INSPECTORS.

WE IT'S WHEN YOU'RE STARTING TO WIND DOWN ON BOND PROJECTS, WHAT YOU DON'T WANT IS TO HAVE RAMPED UP WITH FULL TIME EMPLOYEES THAT YOU'RE PAYING BENEFITS AND SALARIES THAT YOU THEN HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DO WE DO WITH THEM.

SO THIS IS SORT OF A REALLY BALANCING ACT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WE HAVE SOME INSPECTORS WE JUST HIRED, JUST GAVE THEM TWO NEW POSITIONS FOR INSPECTORS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE CONSISTENT INSPECTORS.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE DOING BOND PROGRAMS AND YOUR DOLLARS ARE GOING DOWN, AS YOU SPEND THOSE BOND PROGRAMS, WHAT YOU DON'T WANT IS A LOT OF EMPLOYEES ON THE PAYROLL THAT THEN WE HAVE TO FIND OTHER JOBS FOR OR THEY LOSE THEIR JOBS.

SO THIS IS THIS IS A VERY DELICATE BALANCE.

AND I THINK THE THE GOOD ANSWER HERE IS WE'LL WE'LL HAVE A BETTER GOOD IDEA OF WHAT WE'LL NEED AS THE PUBLIC CONTINUES TO SUPPORT US THROUGH BONDS.

WE'LL KIND OF KNOW.

BUT TO HAVE A $1.1 BILLION BOND PROGRAM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WIND DOWN FROM 2014, 2019 AND NOW RAMP BACK UP WITH SOME OF THE COUNTY MONEY THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.

IT'S BETTER TO LOOK AT THIS FROM SOMEONE'S ALREADY PREPPED, READY TO GO.

HAS THE HAS THE HAS THE EXPERIENCE, HAS KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING INSTEAD OF US THEN SPENDING SIX MONTHS TRYING TO HIRE SOMEONE A YEAR AND A HALF LATER, WE HAVE TO SAY, SORRY, WE HAVE NO MORE BOND MONEY.

WE HAVE TO FIND YOU ANOTHER JOB.

THAT'S THAT'S SORT OF WHAT THE DELICATE BALANCE WE'RE DEALING WITH.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. I MOVE APPROVAL.

IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCIL MEMBER.

WHAT'S. I'LL SAY THANK YOU MOST BY MYSELF.

SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER WATTS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

THAT PASSES SIX ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM D, WHICH IS ID 23515.

[D. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with AV Water Technologies, LLC, Core & Main LP, Metron Farnier, LLC, and National Wholesale Supply, Inc., for Capital Improvement Projects (CIP) construction materials for Capital Projects as set forth in the contracts; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFQ 8079 - awarded to AV Water Technologies, LLC, Core & Main LP, Metron Farnier, LLC, National Wholesale Supply, Inc., for a one (1) year, with the option for two (2) additional one (1) year extensions, in the three (3) year not-to-exceed amount of $10,000,000.00).]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH I'VE WATER TECHNOLOGIES, LLC CORPS AND MAIN LP METRON FRANNY FARNER, LLC AND NATIONAL WHOLESALE SUPPLY, INC FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS TREVOR CRANE, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.

SO TONIGHT I HAVE FOR YOU A CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS PRE-QUALIFIED LIST, AND I'LL GO INTO EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS.

SO WHAT THIS DOES IS IT ALLOWS US TO ESTABLISH A PRE-QUALIFIED LIST FOR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS.

IT ALLOWS THE CITY OF DENTON TO ORDER MATERIALS DURING OUR DESIGN PROCESS.

IT REDUCES THE RISK BY PRE-ORDERING LONG LEAD TIME MATERIAL AND ALLOWS US TO LOCK IN PRICES EARLY TO COMBAT PRICE ESCALATION.

SO AS YOU ALL HEARD OVER THE LAST YEAR, THERE WERE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH GETTING MATERIAL CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS SUCH AS DUCTILE IRON PIPE, MANHOLE COVERS, PVC, EVEN PVC PIPE.

SO WHAT THIS WHAT THIS DOES IS ALLOW US DURING OUR CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, OUR DESIGN PROCESS, IDENTIFY LONG LEAD TIME CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, ORDER THOSE FROM THESE FROM THESE SUPPLIERS, AND THEN THEY WOULD STOCKPILE THOSE FOR US.

WHEN A CONTRACTOR IS SELECTED AND MOVE FORWARD, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE MATERIALS TO THAT CONTRACTOR AND THEY WOULD INSTALL THEM FOR US.

SO QUALIFICATIONS.

THE MATERIAL DISTRIBUTORS WHO SUBMITTED A RESPONSE WERE EVALUATED ON THESE CATEGORIES.

A COMPANY OVERVIEW ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE LISTED MATERIALS AND THE ABILITY TO MEET DELIVERY SCHEDULES.

SO THE THE LIST OF THE MATERIALS WERE COMMON ITEMS THAT WE SEE ON THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE PRODUCING THAT WE'RE CONSTRUCTING.

LIKE I SAID, DUCTILE IRON PIPE, PVC ITEMS LIKE THAT.

SO THESE WERE THE FOUR FOUR DISTRIBUTORS THAT SUBMITTED AND THEY ALL MET THE QUALIFICATIONS, EACH COMPANY.

WE HAVE AV WATER TECHNOLOGIES AND METRO FURNITURE.

THEY PROVIDE WATER VALVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND BOTH CORE MAIN AND NATIONAL WHOLESALE SUPPLY ARE BOTH PIPELINE SUPPLIERS.

AND FOR THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE AND I CAN STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS? YES. SO.

WHAT I WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY WAS WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN PROBLEMS BY PURCHASING THE MATERIAL FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS.

YES, SIR. SO WHEN WE LET'S SAY BEFORE WE BEFORE WE BRING THIS PROCESS, WHEN WE SEND THINGS OUT TO BID AND WE GOT A BID BACK THAT WAS ALWAYS INCLUDING LABOR AND MATERIALS, IS THAT RIGHT? SO HOW WILL WE MAKE THE I MEAN, HOW WILL SO THE RFPS OR WHATEVER THEY ARE WHEN THEY GO OUT, THERE'LL BE SOME KIND OF CAVEAT THAT WE HAVE EITHER SOME OF THE MATERIAL, A LIST OF THE MATERIALS.

SO THAT WILL BE FACTORED INTO THE BIDS.

THE WAY WE WOULD STRUCTURE IT IS WE WOULD HAVE TWO SEPARATE BID ITEMS FOR THE CONTRACTOR.

WE WOULD HAVE ONE FOR OWNER OWNER PROVIDED MATERIALS, SAY.

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SO FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, 18 INCH DUCTILE IRON PIPE, WE WOULD HAVE ONE FOR 18 INCH DUCTILE IRON PIPE OWNER SUPPLIED, WHICH MEANS IT'S JUST INSTALLATION OF THAT, ANOTHER BID ITEM FOR THE PIPE THAT THEY WOULD BY THEMSELVES THAT INCLUDED BOTH.

OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. IS THIS WHERE ARE THE MAJORITY OF THESE MATERIALS MADE? ARE THEY THEY HERE OVERSEAS? HOW DOES THAT DO YOU KNOW IF KIND OF THE MANUFACTURERS WERE THAT ORIGINATE MOST? I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE MOST PART.

I THINK THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT OVERSEAS.

THEY'RE HERE IN THE COUNTRY.

OKAY. AND WE ALSO HAVE A SOME PROJECTS WE HAVE A BUY AMERICA FOR IRON THAT HAS TO BE MADE IN THE UNITED STATES.

THERE ARE SOME DUCTILE IRON FITTINGS AND PIPE THAT ARE MADE OVERSEAS.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE HAVE A WELL, I KNOW FOR TEXTILE PROJECTS, WE HAVE A BUY AMERICA PIECE THAT GOES INTO OUR CONTRACT.

I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, BUT I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE ALL MADE HERE DOMESTICALLY.

OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I ASK THIS IN THE QUESTIONS TO STAFF, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW.

SO IF WE GET A PROJECT AND FOR SOME REASON OUR BID ABSOLUTELY JUST DOESN'T WANT TO USE OUR SUPPLIES THAT WE'VE PRE-ARRANGED FOR, WE'RE IN NO WAY PRECLUDING THEM FROM GETTING THEIR OWN SOURCE TYPICALLY.

IS THAT RIGHT? SO IF WE DID NOT USE THIS THIS RFQ AND BUY ANY MATERIALS, IF WE DID NOT HAVE ANY LONG LEAD TIME ITEMS OR EVEN FOR PRICES, THE CONTRACTS WOULD WORK EXACTLY HOW THEY WERE.

NOW THEY CAN GO TO USE AS LONG AS THEY MET OUR SPECIFICATIONS, THEY COULD USE WHATEVER SUPPLIER THEY WANT.

IF WE DICTATE IN OUR CONTRACTS, IF WE SAY, HEY, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A EIGHT MONTH LEAD TIME ON DUCTILE IRON PIPE AND WE WANT TO MOVE THAT PROJECT FORWARD, WE BOUGHT IT FOR THEM, THEN THEY WOULD THEY WOULD HAVE TO USE THAT.

OKAY. THEY REALLY WOULDN'T BE.

I CAN'T THINK OF OFFHAND WHY A CONTRACTOR WOULD SAY THEY DON'T WANT TO USE OUR PIPE THAT WE BOUGHT.

IT'S EASIER FOR THEM.

IT'S LESS WORK FOR THEM. WE'RE PROVIDING IT FOR THEM AND ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS PUT IT IN.

SO THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. AND I GUESS THE OTHER THOUGHT I JUST HAD THAT PROTECTS US FROM THE MARKUP, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO WE WOULD WE WOULD BUY THAT, YOU KNOW, SAY AT 60% ONCE WE IDENTIFY A PORTION OF PIPE THAT WE KNOW WE NEEDED, WE COULD BUY IT, THEN LOCK IN THAT PRICE.

AND IF THE PRICE GOES UP, THEN WE'VE ALREADY BOUGHT THE PIPE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT, THAT INFLATION.

NOW, THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS THE PRICE GOES DOWN AND WE'VE ALREADY BOUGHT THE PIPE.

SO WE DON'T WE'RE NOT SEEING THOSE SAVINGS.

BUT. RIGHT, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SELL IT TO US FOR WHAT THEY BOUGHT IT FOR NO MATTER WHAT.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

OKAY, GREAT, GREAT.

OH, THAT'S REALLY GOOD. OKAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER. WHAT'S. OH, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

COUNCILMAN MAYOR PRO TEM BECK.

I SECOND. OKAY.

MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SIX ZERO TAKES US

[E. Receive the certification from the City Secretary regarding the City of Denton District 2 Unopposed Candidate for the election to be held on Saturday, May 6, 2023.]

[F. Consider adoption of an ordinance declaring an unopposed candidate in the May 6, 2023 General City Election, declaring Brian Beck elected to office and canceling the election in District 2; and providing an effective date.]

[G. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton authorizing the addition of early voting and election day polling locations for the City of Denton City Council and Special Elections to be held on May 6, 2023; and providing an effective date.]

TO OUR FINAL THREE ITEMS. THERE'S ONLY ONE PRESENTATION FOR ALL THREE, BUT I'LL CALL.

SO I'LL CALL ALL THREE OR YEAH, I'LL JUST CALL ALL THREE.

SO IT'S E ID 23520.

RECEIVE THE CERTIFICATION FROM THE CITY SECRETARY REGARDING THE CITY OF DENTON DISTRICT TWO UNOPPOSED CANDIDATE FOR ELECTION TO BE HELD ON SATURDAY, MAY 6TH, 2023 ISD 23 521.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE DECLARING AN UNOPPOSED CANDIDATE IN MAY 6TH, 2023 GENERAL CITY ELECTION, DECLARING BRIAN BECK ELECTED TO OFFICE AND CANCELING THE ELECTION IN DISTRICT TWO AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND ITEM G ID 2352 TO CONSIDER.

ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON AUTHORIZING THE ADDITION OF EARLY VOTING AND ELECTION DAY POLLING LOCATIONS FOR THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL AND SPECIAL ELECTION TO BE HELD MAY SIX, 2023, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS ROSA RIOS AND I'M YOUR CITY SECRETARY AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE ITEMS. SO TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THE MAY 6TH, 2023 GENERAL ELECTION WAS ORDERED ON FEBRUARY 7TH, 2023, FOR DISTRICTS ONE, TWO, THREE AND FOUR.

ELECTION OF THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THE APPLICATION FOR A PLACE ON THE BALLOT DEADLINE WAS FEBRUARY 17TH, 2023.

THE WRITE IN CANDIDATES DEADLINE WAS FEBRUARY 21ST.