A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding an overview of the compensation and classification study conducted by Evergreen Solutions LLC. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 1 hour]

[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding an overview of the compensation and classification study conducted by Evergreen Solutions LLC. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 1 hour]]

IT'S ITEM A, ID TWO, THREE, 431 RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING AN OVERVIEW OF THE COMPENSATION AND CLASSIFICATION STUDY CONDUCTED BY EVERGREEN SOLUTIONS LLC.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL SARA KESSLER, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES.

WE ARE EXCITED TO BE HERE WITH YOU TODAY TO SHARE THE RESULTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR COMPENSATION AND CLASSIFICATION STUDY.

I DO WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING THANK YOU TO OUR CONSULTANTS, TO OUR HR TEAM, TO THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS AND TO ALL EMPLOYEES THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION WHO PARTICIPATED IN THIS STUDY. THIS WAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT PROJECT THAT WE'VE UNDERTAKEN THROUGH THE LAST FEW MONTHS, SO WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE TODAY TO SHARE WITH YOU OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

I'M GOING TO START OFF THE PRESENTATION WITH JUST A QUICK BACKGROUND AND THEN I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MARK HOLCOMB WITH EVERGREEN SOLUTIONS.

HE IS OUR CONSULTANT, AND HE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE METHODOLOGY OF THE STUDY, THEIR FINDINGS AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND THEN AT THE VERY END, I'M GOING TO FINISH OFF THE PRESENTATION WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND OUR RECOMMENDED FUNDING STRATEGY AS WELL.

SO I'M GOING TO JUMP RIGHT IN.

AS CITY MANAGER HENSLEY HAD MENTIONED, THE REASON WE ARE UNDERGOING THIS STUDY NOW IS THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE A COMPREHENSIVE COMPENSATION AND CLASSIFICATION STUDY SINCE 2016. THAT MEANS OUR PAY PLANS HAVE BASICALLY STAYED THE SAME SINCE 2016.

THE PAY RANGES HAVE NOT ADVANCED SINCE THAT TIME.

AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THAT HAS LED TO A NUMBER OF DIFFICULTIES AND CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF ADMINISTERING THAT SYSTEM, FROM HIRING IN NEW EMPLOYEES AND ATTRACTING NEW EMPLOYEES AND THAT TALENT IN A COMPETITIVE MARKET.

OUR PAY RANGES HAVE REMAINED RELATIVELY STAGNANT AND THAT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO ATTRACT THE TALENT THAT WE NEED.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE OVER 1500 FULL TIME EMPLOYEES HERE WITH THE CITY, SO THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

AND WHAT THAT MEANS ALSO IS THAT WE'VE HAD TO HIRE FURTHER INTO OUR RANGES TO GET THE TALENT THAT WE NEED.

THAT CAUSED SOME COMPRESSION AND EQUITY ISSUES THAT WE HAVE THEN.

SO IT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT.

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IN ADDITION, YOU ALL KNOW SINCE 2016, WE HAVE GROWN AS AN ORGANIZATION.

WE'VE ALSO RESTRUCTURED A LOT AND THAT'S TO BETTER IMPROVE SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY, TO THE ORGANIZATION.

BUT WHAT THAT HAS MEANT IS NEW POSITIONS, RE CLASSES, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS CHANGING AND WE JUST HAVEN'T GIVEN IT THAT COMPREHENSIVE EVALUATION THAT WE SHOULD TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR POSITIONS ARE SLOTTED AND GRADED APPROPRIATELY.

SO WITH ALL THAT IN MIND, IT IS TIME TO DO THAT STUDY.

AND ALSO IT HAS BEEN A PRIORITY FOR OUR CITY MANAGER WITH AN OBJECTIVE TO BECOME AN EMPLOYER OF CHOICE, WHICH MEANS OFFERING COMPETITIVE COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS, AND THAT ALIGNS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL PRIORITY THAT YOU HAVE ALL SET TO PURSUE PURSUE ORGANIZATIONAL EXCELLENCE.

SO WE WENT OUT FOR AN RFP LAST SUMMER.

WE AWARDED A CONTRACT TO EVERGREEN SOLUTIONS IN OCTOBER OF 2022 TO CONDUCT THAT STUDY.

EVERGREEN SOLUTIONS IS A VERY EXPERIENCED FIRM DOING THESE TYPE OF STUDIES FOR PUBLIC SECTOR CLIENTS THROUGHOUT THE NATION.

YOU CAN SEE HERE THEY'VE WORKED WITH CLIENTS THROUGH 46 STATES AND THEY'VE CONDUCTED OVER 1000 SIMILAR STUDIES, INCLUDING FOR SOME MUNICIPALITIES HERE IN THE DFW AREA AND IN TEXAS. SO THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH OUR MARKET AS WELL.

THE STUDY INCLUDED ALL POSITIONS IN THE CITY AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE LISTED ON THE SLIDE, THE PAY PLANS THAT WE HAVE FOR THOSE POSITIONS.

IT DID EXCLUDE SOME POSITIONS IN THE CITY IF THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE MECHANISMS TO DETERMINE ANNUAL COMPENSATION.

AND THAT'S THAT SECOND BULLET POINT LISTED THERE.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, POLICE AND FIRE CIVIL SERVICE, THEIR ANNUAL COMPENSATION IS DETERMINED BY A PROCEDURE LAID OUT IN THEIR MEET AND CONFER CONTRACTS.

SO THEY WEREN'T INCLUDED WITH THIS STUDY.

THEY ALREADY HAVE AN ANNUAL PROCEDURE FOR HOW WE DETERMINE THEIR COMPENSATION.

SO WITH THAT INTRODUCTION, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MARK HOLCOMB WITH EVERGREEN SOLUTIONS TO WALK US THROUGH THE STUDY THAT THEY PERFORMED FOR US.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY, FOR HAVING ME TODAY.

MY NAME IS MARK HOLCOMB WITH EVERGREEN SOLUTIONS, AND I AM THE PROJECT MANAGER THAT LED THIS PROJECT FROM THE BEGINNING UP UNTIL NOW.

AND TO JUMP RIGHT IN, I DO WANT TO START WITH A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH.

AND SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS HIGH LEVEL, BUT WE DO TEND TO DIVIDE THE PROJECT UP INTO ABOUT FIVE PHASES FOR THE WORK THAT WE'VE CONDUCTED HERE.

THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT.

SO THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN LAST FALL REALLY STARTS OFF WITH AN INTRODUCTION, US GETTING TO KNOW THE CITY A LITTLE BIT AND COLLECTING INFORMATION FROM YOUR HR DEPARTMENT.

SO WE DID HAVE A RELATIVELY HEAVY ASK FOR DATA, FOR INFORMATION, JOB DESCRIPTIONS, ORG CHARTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WE NEED TO STUDY AND REALLY UNDERSTAND BEFORE WE CAN COME IN AND MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR DO ANY SORT OF ADJUSTMENTS TO ANY COMPENSATION SYSTEMS THAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.

THE NEXT PHASE INCLUDED US ACTUALLY COLLECTING INFORMATION FROM YOUR EMPLOYEES AS WELL.

AND SO WE DID HAVE OUTREACH SESSIONS WHERE WE ACTUALLY MET DIRECTLY WITH EMPLOYEES AND DIRECTORS AND MANAGERS THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE THEIR PERCEPTIONS, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS AND THINGS THAT THEY WANTED US TO KNOW AS WE DOVE INTO A COMPENSATION AND CLASSIFICATION STUDY.

WE ALSO SENT OUT WHAT WE CALL OUR JOB ASSESSMENT TOOL, AND THAT IS A SURVEY THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO EMPLOYEES TO GIVE THEM THE CHANCE TO GIVE US INFORMATION ON THEIR JOB, ON THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THEY HAVE EVERY SINGLE DAY, SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THEIR JOBS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE LAST TIMES THEIR JOB DESCRIPTIONS WERE UPDATED. SO WE USE THOSE SURVEYS EXTENSIVELY THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

WE DO APPRECIATE, AGAIN, THE TIME THAT STAFF TOOK TO FILL THOSE OUT, AND IT ALLOWED US TO MAKE SURE WE WERE WORKING OFF THE MOST CURRENT INFORMATION.

THOSE SURVEYS WERE VERIFIED AND VALIDATED BY SUPERVISORS.

SO IT'S NOT JUST THAT AN EMPLOYEE GETS TO TELL US WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

WE DID HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TO VERIFY THE INFORMATION SUBMITTED TO US.

ONCE WE COLLECTED THOSE SURVEYS, THE NEXT STEP THERE IS THE INTERNAL ANALYSIS WHICH INVOLVES READING THOSE SURVEYS.

WE GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE SURVEY AND ACTUAL CONSULTANT ON OUR TEAM READS THROUGH THAT.

WE REVIEW THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS AS WELL TO COMPARE AND CONTRAST, LOOK FOR DIFFERENCES, LOOK FOR CHANGES.

WE LOOK AT ORG CHARTS, WE LOOK AT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND COME UP WITH WHAT WE CALL AN ASSESSMENT OF CURRENT CONDITIONS THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS US TO SEE.

BEFORE WE LOOK AT THE MARKET.

WHERE DOES YOUR ORGANIZATION FALL IN TERMS OF BEST PRACTICES? AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES THAT WE'LL SHARE TODAY, AS WELL AS IN THE FINAL REPORT.

PHASE FOUR IS THE MARKET ANALYSIS.

SO WE DO GO OUT TO YOUR EXTERNAL MARKET.

AGAIN, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER COMPETITORS.

WE'LL SHARE EXACTLY WHO WE LOOKED AT IN A FEW MOMENTS.

BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER COMPETITORS HERE IN THE DALLAS AREA AND THE GREATER DALLAS METROPLEX HERE.

AND SO WE DID COLLECT INFORMATION FROM A NUMBER OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.

SOME OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS ARE VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO YOU IN TERMS OF SERVICES OFFERED, IN TERMS OF SIZE, SCOPE, SCALE, BUDGET, ETCETERA.

BUT SOME OF THEM ARE MORE JUST DIRECT COMPETITORS.

SO THE ORGANIZATIONS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

THEY MAY BE BIGGER OR SMALLER.

AND IN SOME CASES WE ACTUALLY COLLECTED FROM ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE NOT OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENT MUNICIPALITIES, THEIR SPECIALTY ORGANIZATIONS THAT COMPARE MORE DIRECTLY

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WITH SOME OF YOUR DEPARTMENTS.

AND SO WE'LL SHARE THAT IN A MOMENT IN A FURTHER SLIDE HERE.

BUT THAT MARKET STUDY WAS A VERY THOROUGH PROCESS TO MAKE SURE, AGAIN, THAT WE HAD A VERY GOOD VIEW OF YOUR MARKET THAT YOU'RE COMPETING IN FOR TALENT.

ALL OF THAT INFORMATION THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, THAT WE REVIEWED, THAT WE RECEIVED, TAKES US INTO PHASE FIVE, THE SOLUTION.

SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE AND WE'LL SHARE THOSE WITH YOU TODAY, SORT OF WHAT WE'RE WHAT WERE THE HIGH LEVEL THINGS THAT WE IDENTIFIED FOR YOUR ORGANIZATION TO GO FORWARD WITH AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS? WE DO HAVE REPORTING INCLUDED.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS PRESENTATION IS PART OF THAT REPORTING, BUT WE ALSO HAVE WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION THAT WILL GO TO YOUR HR DEPARTMENT THAT WILL HAVE EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE HOW THEY'RE IMPACTED, AS WELL AS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT THAT CAN BE SHARED TO TO EMPLOYEES AND TO CITIZENS AT LARGE.

SO WITH THE EMPLOYEE MEETINGS, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF STRENGTHS AS WELL AS SOME AREAS FOR CONCERN THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY EMPLOYEES.

KEEPING IN MIND THESE EVERYTHING INCLUDED ON THIS SLIDE HERE IS PERCEPTUAL IN NATURE.

THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT YOUR EMPLOYEES SHARED WITH US.

AND SO WE DID VERIFY.

WE DID LOOK INTO AND WE DID EVALUATE EACH OF THESE ITEMS ON HERE.

BUT THESE ARE WHAT YOUR EMPLOYEES FELT WHEN WE ASKED THEM, WHAT ARE THE STRENGTHS OF THE CITY? WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT THEY ENJOY ABOUT WORKING HERE? THERE WERE THREE, I GUESS, MAIN ITEMS AT A HIGH LEVEL THAT THEY DID MENTION BENEFITS, CULTURE AND JOB STABILITY.

AND SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BENEFITS, THAT IS SOMETHING YOU HEAR FREQUENTLY WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH A PUBLIC SECTOR CLIENT.

THEY UNDERSTAND, HEY, IF I WANTED THE HIGHEST PAY LEVEL POSSIBLE, MAYBE I'D GO TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

MAYBE THERE'S SOMEWHERE ELSE I COULD WORK THAT WOULD HAVE ME WORK MORE HOURS THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE SOME OF THESE ADDITIONAL BENEFITS THAT I HAVE HERE, INCLUDING THE RETIREMENT PLAN AND THE HEALTH COVERAGE.

BUT EMPLOYEES WERE VERY, VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE BENEFITS PACKAGE THEY HAVE, AND THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS A STRENGTH THAT HAD ATTRACTED THEM TO WORKING HERE.

THE CULTURE WAS ANOTHER ITEM THAT WAS IDENTIFIED REALLY THAT THAT REFERS TO THE QUALITY OF PEOPLE AND THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT THEY HAD WITH THEM.

AND SO A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES MENTIONED THE TEAM THAT THEY WORKED ON.

SOME PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THEIR SUPERVISOR OR EVEN PEOPLE THAT REPORTED UP TO THEM.

SO THE CULTURE WAS ANOTHER THING THAT EMPLOYEES MENTIONED AS A STRENGTH HERE AT THE CITY AND THEN JOB STABILITY.

THAT'S ONE WE'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT AFTER SORT OF THE TUMULTUOUS TIME THAT EVERYBODY'S GONE THROUGH IN THE COUNTRY AFTER THE SORT OF THE COVID PERIOD, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID, HEY, I'M ACTUALLY PRETTY FORTUNATE TO WORK SOMEWHERE WITH THAT STABILITY.

THEY MAY HAVE SEEN SOME OF THAT PRIVATE SECTOR, YOU KNOW, THE LAYOFFS, THE INSTABILITY AND SAID, HEY, I'VE GOT A STRENGTH HERE AND I LIKE THAT.

THAT BEING SAID, OBVIOUSLY, WE DID HEAR SOME CONCERNS AS WELL COMING IN FOR A COMPENSATION AND CLASSIFICATION STUDY.

WE DO ASK EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE ANY AREAS OF CONCERN? AND ONE OF THEM, IT WAS RELATIVELY MIXED.

BUT WE DID HEAR PEOPLE SAYING THAT, HEY, I THINK PAY IS PROBABLY LOWER HERE THAN IT IS IN SOME OTHER PLACES.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THE RESULTS WERE IN JUST A MOMENT.

BUT THAT WAS THE PERCEPTION, AT LEAST BY BY SOME EMPLOYEES.

WE DID HEAR ABOUT SOME COMPRESSION.

AND SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TOOK A PRETTY DEEP DIVE IN.

AND WITH YOUR HR DEPARTMENT, WE REVIEWED THAT EXTENSIVELY AND LOOKED THROUGH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF COMPRESSION AND HOW WE CAN COMBAT THAT DURING THE RECOMMENDATIONS PERIOD HERE. AND THEN WE HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NEW HIRES BEING HIRED ABOVE THE RATE OF TENURED EMPLOYEES AS WELL.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN YOUR PAY RANGES GET A LITTLE BIT BEHIND THE MARKET.

YOU HAVE TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO FILL VACANCIES.

AND IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT YOU SEE THAT HAS THE TALENT, THE EXPERIENCE, THE CREDENTIALS THAT YOU NEED, SOMETIMES YOU DO HAVE TO PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN YOU WANT TO IF YOUR RANGES ARE NOT COMPETITIVE WITH THE MARKET.

SO THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT EMPLOYEES SHARED ABOUT SORT OF THEIR COMPENSATION CONCERNS.

WE DID HEAR ABOUT SOME TURNOVER IN VACANCIES, PARTICULARLY IN FIELD AND TRADES POSITIONS, THAT IF THERE'S A VACANT POSITION, THE SAME WORK IS STILL THERE.

THAT HAS TO BE DONE. SO THAT MEANS IT GETS SPREAD AMONGST THE PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL HERE.

THEY DEFINITELY FELT THAT AND THEY DEFINITELY MADE THE COMMENTS THAT, HEY, IF THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE FIVE OF US HERE AND THERE'S ONLY THREE, THEY CAN DO THAT MATH PRETTY EASILY. OF THE ADDITIONAL WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING THERE, WE DID HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MERIT INCREASES AS WELL AND SOME TALK ABOUT SOME ADDITIONAL PAYS LIKE CERTIFICATION OR INCENTIVE PAYS. THAT WAS DEFINITELY ON PEOPLE'S MINDS.

I THINK PROBABLY NOT THE NUMBER ONE ITEM, BUT DEFINITELY SOMETHING DEFINITELY PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF.

AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S BECOMING A MORE POPULAR THING IN THE MARKET, I GUESS, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HERE.

SO DEFINITELY WE WEREN'T SURPRISED TO HEAR IT, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOUR EMPLOYEES MENTIONED WITH THE CURRENT SYSTEM ANALYSIS.

SO THIS IS ACTUALLY THE ANALYSIS THAT EVERGREEN SOLUTIONS DID.

THIS IS NOT PERCEPTUAL ANYMORE.

THIS IS WHEN WE LOOKED AT YOUR STRUCTURE.

WE DID FIND SOME STRENGTHS AND WE FOUND SOME AREAS, AGAIN, THAT WE IDENTIFIED BEFORE GOING TO THE MARKET THAT WE MAY WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

ONE OF THE STRENGTHS IS YOU DO HAVE A VERY CUSTOMIZED PAY PLAN THAT ALLOWS YOU TO ADJUST DIFFERENT EMPLOYEE GROUPS AS NEEDED.

SO SOMETIMES THE MARKET FOR DIFFERENT EMPLOYEE GROUPS, TECHNOLOGIES, AN EXAMPLE, SOMETIMES IT CAN MOVE A LITTLE BIT FASTER THAN THE REST OF THE MARKET.

AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, IT DOES HELP TO HAVE A CUSTOMIZED PLAN FOR THAT GROUP SO THAT IF YOU DO SEE ONE SEGMENT OF THE MARKET MOVING, YOU CAN MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS AND A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A NIMBLE MANNER.

YOU ALSO HAVE A PRETTY GOOD BALANCE OF EMPLOYEES ABOVE AND BELOW THE MIDPOINT AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY STUCK AT THE MID EXCUSE ME, THE MINIMUM OR THE MAXIMUM OF THE RANGE.

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THAT IS SOMETIMES SOMETHING WE SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WITH PUBLIC SECTOR CLIENTS WE WORK WITH.

AND SO WE'RE GLAD TO SEE THAT, AT LEAST AT THE EXTREMES AGAIN, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF KEEPING PEOPLE SPACED OUT THROUGHOUT THE RANGES.

HOWEVER, WHEN YOU DIVE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, SO THIS IS THE FIRST BULLET ON THE WEAKNESSES.

WE DO SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME SIGNS OF EXACTLY WHAT YOUR HR DIRECTOR JUST MENTIONED IS EMPLOYEES WHO REALLY AREN'T SPACED EXACTLY WHERE THEY SHOULD BE BETWEEN THE MINIMUM AND THE MAXIMUM. AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT EMPLOYEES BETWEEN THE QUARTILES AND THE PAY RANGES, SO THAT'S DIVIDING THE PAY RANGE UP INTO FOUR PIECES.

NUMBER ONE IS AT THE BOTTOM.

NUMBER TWO IS JUST BELOW THE MIDPOINT.

QUARTILE THREE IS JUST ABOVE THE MIDPOINT, AND QUARTILE FOUR IS TOWARDS THE MAXIMUM.

YOU DO SEE THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN INVERSION THERE WHERE YOUR AVERAGE EMPLOYEE IN QUARTILE FOUR IS ACTUALLY NEWER TO THE ORGANIZATION THAN THE AVERAGE EMPLOYEE IN QUARTILE THREE. AND SO THAT SHOWS US.

THAT YOU HAVE HIRED SOME PEOPLE CERTAINLY ABOVE THAT MIDPOINT POTENTIALLY, OR YOU'VE ADVANCED PEOPLE THROUGH THE MIDPOINT TO KEEP THEM.

AND SO YOU TYPICALLY, AGAIN, NOT IN EVERY SINGLE CASE, BUT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY HOPE TO SEE THE EMPLOYEES WITH THE LOWEST TENURE IN QUARTILE ONE, THE EMPLOYEES WITH THE HIGHEST QUARTILE EXCUSE ME, THE HIGHEST TENURE IN QUARTILE FOUR.

AND THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT WE SAW HERE, WHICH DID HINT THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THAT COMPRESSION AND INVERSION THAT WE TYPICALLY WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE.

WE ALSO DID SEE WE RUN A REPORT TO SHOW EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE AS COMPARED TO THEIR SUPERVISOR.

AND SO LOOKING TO SAY IF YOU'RE MAKING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PAY, WE WOULD ASSUME IN MOST CASES AND CORRECTLY SO THAT MOST SUPERVISORS ARE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEXITY TO THEIR JOB.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE LEADERSHIP, OBVIOUSLY, THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO LOOK OVER YOUR JOB AND PERFORM THEIR OWN ROLE.

THERE WERE A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES IN POSITIONS WHO WERE MAKING WITHIN ABOUT 5% TO ABOUT 15% OF THEIR SUPERVISOR.

SO WE TYPICALLY WOULD LOOK FOR THOSE RELATIONSHIPS IN MOST CASES TO BE 15 TO 20% OR MORE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT DIFFERENCE IN COMPLEXITY AND LEADERSHIP.

BUT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CASES WHERE SOMEBODY MIGHT BE MAKING 6% LESS OR 10% LESS OR 8% LESS THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO GOING OUT TO THE MARKET THEN.

SO THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE. AGAIN, THE INTERNAL PIECE IS EVERYTHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THUS FAR.

THE MARKET PIECE IS OBVIOUSLY, AGAIN, A HUGE PART OF A COMPENSATION AND CLASSIFICATION STUDY.

WE DID RECEIVE RESPONSES FROM 28 OUT OF 29 PEERS.

WE DID HAVE SPECIFIC JOB, FAMILY RELATED PEERS, AS I MENTIONED.

SO YOU'LL SEE UP THERE WE'VE GOT SOME SOME AIRPORT AND SOME ELECTRIC PEERS.

WE DIDN'T COMPARE EVERY SINGLE POSITION IN THE ORGANIZATION TO THOSE.

AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING SOME OF THOSE LEADERSHIP POSITIONS DO REQUIRE VERY SPECIFIC SKILL SETS OR CREDENTIALS.

BUT BUT WE DO FIND THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF POSITIONS THAT YOU WILL HAVE THAT MATCH DIRECTLY WITH THOSE.

SO WE CONSIDER THAT AN EXCELLENT MARKET RESPONSE.

OVERALL, WE'RE VERY, VERY HAPPY WITH WHAT WE RECEIVED.

WE DID ADJUST FOR COST OF LIVING.

WE DO UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, IT IS A HIGH COST OF LIVING HERE IN THE DALLAS METROPLEX AND COMPARING TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS SORT OF IN AND AROUND THE AREA, WE KNOW THAT CAN VARY A LITTLE BIT. AND SO WE DO HAVE A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT.

WE'LL SHOW YOU THE RESULTS OF THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

IT WASN'T SIGNIFICANT, BUT IT DID ACCOUNT FOR A COUPLE PERCENTAGE POINTS DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT TO THE THE COST OF LIVING THERE.

AND THEN WE DID LOOK AT 111 DIFFERENT JOBS DIRECTLY VERSUS THE MARKET.

AND SO THAT MEANS WE WENT OUT, WE FOUND THE MATCHING POSITION IN THE MARKET AND WE PUT THAT INTO OUR SALARY SURVEY TOOL TO SHOW US WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR PAY AND THEIR PAY. THE AVERAGE MATCH COUNT WAS ABOUT NINE RESPONSES PER POSITION.

AND SO AGAIN, THAT SHOWS RIGHT THERE WE DID NOT FORCE A MATCH WITH EVERY SINGLE ORGANIZATION HERE.

OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE 28 MATCHES FOR PROBABLY ANY POSITION BECAUSE THERE ARE AT LEAST SOME DIFFERENCES THERE.

WE COMPARE DIRECTLY TO THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE IN PLACE AND THE JOB SURVEYS THAT YOUR EMPLOYEES SUBMITTED.

WE COMPARED THOSE TO THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS OF YOUR PEERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MATCHING LIGHT DUTIES TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.

SO WHO IS PERFORMING THE SAME DUTIES? WHO HAS THE SAME RESPONSIBILITIES AT THESE ORGANIZATIONS? THE MARKET RESULTS ON THIS SLIDE DO SHOW AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL.

YOU HAVE DEFINITELY SLIPPED BELOW THE MARKET, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU LOOK BEFORE ADJUSTMENT.

SO WHEN AN EMPLOYEE GOES OUT INTO THE JOB MARKET AND THEY LOOK AT YOUR PAY VERSUS THE PAY SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND ABOUT AN 8% GAP AT THE STARTING LEVEL THERE.

NOW, TO BE FAIR, AGAIN, COMPARING TO SOME OTHER OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER COST OF LIVING, WHEN WE MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT, IT'S ABOUT 4%.

AND SO AGAIN, IT DOES KNOCK OFF A LITTLE BIT OF THAT CHANGE THERE, BUT IT STILL SHOWS THAT EVEN MAKING THAT ADJUSTMENT, YOU HAVE FALLEN BELOW THE MARKET, PARTICULARLY AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT PAY RANGE THERE.

AGAIN, WHAT THAT'S GOING TO SHOW EXCUSE ME, THESE ARE THE AVERAGE RESULTS ACROSS THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION.

YOU DO HAVE, AGAIN, ABOUT HALF THE POSITIONS ARE GOING TO COME IN A LITTLE BIT WORSE THAN WHAT IS SHOWN HERE.

HALF THE POSITIONS ARE GOING TO COME IN A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

AND SO, AGAIN, THAT 8% DIFFERENTIAL OR THE 4% DIFFERENTIAL THAT SHOWS ABOUT HALF OF YOUR POSITIONS ARE GOING TO BE IN A LITTLE BIT WORSE SHAPE THAN THAT.

ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS TO NOTE IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES, IF YOU'RE STARTING PAY OF YOUR RANGES, IS BELOW THE MARKET.

THAT'S TYPICALLY WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK TO BRING PEOPLE IN TO HIRE THEM.

SOMEBODY WHO HAS JUST THE CREDENTIALS FOR THE JOB WITH NOTHING, DON'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE OVER THAT.

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YOU'D LIKE TO HIRE THEM AT APPROXIMATELY THE MINIMUM IF YOUR MINIMUMS ARE BELOW THE MARKET, IF YOU CAN'T FIND EMPLOYEES WILLING TO WORK FOR THAT, THAT CAN CAUSE SOME OF THE COMPRESSION ISSUES, WHETHER YOU HAVE TO BRING THEM IN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN YOU WANTED AS COMPARED TO THEIR SUPERVISOR OR WHETHER YOU HAVE TO BRING SOMEBODY IN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER INTO THE RANGE THAT MIGHT CAUSE SOME OF THAT INVERSION THAT WE SAW IN THE SECOND HALF OR THE QUARTILES THREE AND FOUR OF THE PAY RANGE.

BOTH OF THOSE CAN BE EXPLAINED SOMEWHAT BY THOSE MARKET GAPS AND DIFFERENTIALS THERE.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO QUESTIONS AFTER IT AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO IT.

THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. SURE.

SO WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND AGAIN, AT A HIGH LEVEL, WE HAVE THREE KEY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS ON FOR HERE.

ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS ADOPTING AN ADJUSTED PAY PLAN WITH SOME MODIFIED PAY GRADES.

AND SO, AGAIN, WE LIKED THE OVERALL STRUCTURE OF YOUR PAY PLAN.

WE DID NOT SEE ANY NEED TO SCRAP THE SYSTEM AND START OVER, NOTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT WE DID DECIDE THAT, HEY, IF WE REORDER SOME OF THESE PAY GRADES, ADD A FEW PAY GRADES IN THERE AS WELL, THAT COULD HELP YOU COME A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE MARKET, SPECIFICALLY IN SOME OF THESE PARTICULAR JOB FAMILIES.

SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING PLANS FOR GENERAL TECHNOLOGY SERVICES, ELECTRIC SPECIAL AGREEMENT AND THEN A NEW TRADES PAY PLAN AS WELL.

AGAIN, YOU HEARD SOME OF THOSE EMPLOYEES TALKING ABOUT THE TRADES POSITIONS AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD THERE.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE NEW ADDITIONS THAT WE'D HAVE TO THE PAY SCALES HERE.

WE ARE THEN RECOMMENDING TO REASSIGN POSITIONS TO THOSE PAY SCALES BASED ON INTERNAL EQUITY IN THE MARKET.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK TO DO IS WE SAY, HEY, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE AVERAGE POSITION IS ABOUT 8% BELOW THE MARKET WITHOUT ADJUSTMENTS.

IF WE GIVE EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE ORGANIZATION AN 8% INCREASE, HALF YOUR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ABOVE THE MARKET.

HALF YOUR PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO BE BELOW THE MARKET.

THAT'S NOT VERY HELPFUL.

IF WE SEE A POSITION THAT'S 20% BELOW, THEY MAY NEED TO MOVE TWO OR 3 OR 4 PAY GRADES.

IF WE SEE A POSITION THAT'S 5 OR 6 OR 7% ABOVE THE MARKET, THEY MAY NOT NEED TO MOVE AT ALL.

AND SO WE DID RECOMMEND CUSTOM INCREASES AND CUSTOM ADJUSTMENTS FOR POSITIONS.

KEEPING IN MIND BOTH INTERNAL EQUITY AS WELL AS THE EXTERNAL EQUITY WITH THE MARKET, WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANY ADDITIONAL COMPRESSION.

AND SO AGAIN, IF TWO DIFFERENT POSITIONS WOULD LOOK TO MOVE AND THE PLACEMENTS WE WOULD PUT ON THOSE SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE A LITTLE BIT OF COMPRESSION WITH SUPERVISORS HERE WITHIN THE CITY, THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE A LITTLE BIT OF COMPRESSION BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT POSITIONS IN THE ORGANIZATION THAT OPERATE AT DIFFERENT LEVELS.

MAYBE WE SAW ON THE JOB SURVEYS, ONE OF THE POSITIONS HAS A SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER DEGREE OF COMPLEXITY OR LEADERSHIP.

WE COULD MAKE SMALL ADJUSTMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE PRESERVED THAT INTERNAL EQUITY WHILE DEVIATING A LITTLE BIT FROM THE MARKET.

SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT KEY THING TO KEEP IN MIND THERE.

THEN ONCE YOU ADJUST THE PAY SCALES, ONCE YOU ASSIGN POSITIONS TO THE PAY SCALES, YOU THEN HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENS TO EMPLOYEE SALARIES.

BECAUSE IF AN EMPLOYEE IS MAKING $50,000, WE MOVE THEIR PAY GRADE CHANGE ALL AROUND AND THE MINIMUM OF THE PAY GRADE IS $48,000.

TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, THEY'RE ALREADY WITHIN THE PAY GRADE.

SO DO WE HAVE TO MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES? WHAT ELSE DO WE WANT TO DO TO THAT PAY? AND WHAT WE WOUND UP WITH AS SORT OF OUR RECOMMENDATION HERE THAT WE FELT WAS THE BEST PATH FORWARD IS TO DO A COMP RATIO ADJUSTMENT.

AND SO THE COMP RATIO ADJUSTMENT THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE COST UP THERE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE.

THE COMP RATIO ADJUSTMENT REALLY AND TRULY LOOKS AT WHAT WERE THE DIFFERENCES IN THE PAY GRADE THAT WE SAW VERSUS MARKET AND VERSUS THE INTERNAL EQUITY.

AND THE COMP RATIO ADJUSTMENT WOULD ADJUST EVERYBODY WITHIN A CERTAIN CLASSIFICATION IN THE SAME EXACT MANNER RELATIVE TO HOW THEIR PAY GRADE SHIFTED.

SO IF A POSITION WAS 20% BELOW THE MARKET AND THEY HAD A LARGER INCREASE, THE EMPLOYEES IN THAT GRADE WOULD SEE A LARGER INCREASE.

IF A POSITION WAS ALREADY ABOVE THE MARKET.

WE DIDN'T ADJUST THE POSITION AS MUCH.

THE EMPLOYEES WOULDN'T SEE AS LARGE OF AN ADJUSTMENT THERE BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT EMPLOYEE WAS ALREADY BEING COMPENSATED IN A MARKET EQUITABLE PAY RANGE.

SO THIS DOES ALLOCATE THE DOLLARS TO THE PLACES THAT WOULD NEED THEM THE MOST.

THIS DOES FOCUS ON THE COMP RATIO OF EACH POSITION.

AND SO THAT MEANS THE RELATIONSHIP AN EMPLOYEE HAS TO THEIR PAY GRADE MIDPOINT.

AND SO IF YOUR COMP RATIO SHOWS THAT YOU'RE 5% BELOW YOUR MIDPOINT AND YOUR MIDPOINT WENT UP BY 10%, YOU WOULD ALSO GO UP BY 10%.

YOU WOULD MAINTAIN THAT SAME EXACT RELATIONSHIP, KEEPING YOU 5% BELOW YOUR PAY GRADE MIDPOINT.

SO THAT'S STEP ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE IS THE COMP RATIO.

IT IS A VERY EQUITABLE AND A VERY POPULAR ADJUSTMENT IN THE COMPENSATION STUDIES THAT WE DO.

BUT THE OTHER THING THAT WE WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND YOU'LL SEE AT THE BOTTOM THE ADDITIONAL ADJUSTMENT THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU ALL TAKE A HEAVY LOOK AT IS THE MOVE TOWARDS MARKET APPROACH WHEN COMBINED WITH THE COMP RATIO.

SO AT THE BOTTOM THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL COST.

SO THE MOVE TOWARDS MARKET AT THE BOTTOM, THE COST OF ABOUT $890,000, THAT'S NOT THE TOTAL COST, THAT'S THE ADDITIONAL.

AND SO IF YOU WERE TO APPLY THAT MOVE TOWARDS MARKET, THAT WOULD BE AN ADJUSTMENT THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS EMPLOYEES, THAT WOULD HELP ACCOUNT FOR THE COMPRESSION THAT WE'VE SEEN IN YOUR PAY RANGES. AND SO THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE REVIEW THAT WE DID WENT INTO THIS PAY STRUCTURE.

IT LOOKS AT HOW LONG EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN IN THEIR CURRENT PAY GRADES AND THEIR CURRENT POSITIONS AND IT LOOKS AT SPACING THEM OUT SO THAT IF YOU'RE SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW THE

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MIDPOINT AND YOU'VE BEEN IN YOUR POSITION 15 YEARS, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED.

IF YOU JUST GOT HIRED YESTERDAY AND YOU'RE BELOW YOUR PAY GRADE MIDPOINT, THAT MAY NOT BE A VERY BIG DEAL.

SO WE DID RECOMMEND SMALL INCREASES TO ADDRESS THAT COMPRESSION ISSUE.

WE DID GO THROUGH INDIVIDUAL REVIEWS WITH, AGAIN, LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEES WITH YOUR H.R.

TEAM. AND BASICALLY WE'RE ABLE TO SHOW THAT IT DOES HELP ADDRESS THAT COMPRESSION THAT WE SEE, PARTICULARLY BETWEEN EMPLOYEES AND SUPERVISORS WITH THAT ADDITIONAL ADJUSTMENT THERE.

SO DEFINITELY THOSE ARE THE STRENGTHS THAT WE WOULD SAY WITH THESE TWO APPROACHES.

COMP RATIO IS A VERY, VERY MARKET BASED APPROACH.

IT'S VERY EQUITABLE ACROSS THE BOARD FOR POSITIONS.

AND THEN THAT MOVE TOWARDS MARKET WOULD HELP YOU ADDRESS THE COMPRESSION THAT WE IDENTIFIED IN THE STUDY.

SO I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO STAFF AND I'LL STAY FOR QUESTIONS WHEN SHE'S DONE.

THANKS, MARK.

SO JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

WE DO RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SOLUTION THAT EVERGREEN SOLUTIONS HAS COME UP WITH.

SO THAT WOULD BE TO ADOPT THOSE MODIFIED PAY PLANS.

WE DID INCLUDE THE DRAFT PAY PLANS AS AN EXHIBIT IN YOUR BACKUP.

JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE ARE DRAFT.

WE ARE STILL GOING THROUGH FINAL REVISIONS ON THOSE AS WELL.

AND THEN USING BOTH THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES THAT MARK JUST WENT OVER THE COMP RATIO AND THE MOVE TOWARDS MARKET, THE TOTAL COST IS ABOUT 8.2 MILLION TO IMPLEMENT THOSE.

AND THEN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES I'M GOING TO GO OVER HOW WE PROPOSE TO FUND THAT.

OUR RECOMMENDATION IS ALSO TO MAKE THAT CHANGE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND MAKE THE CHANGES FOR OUR EMPLOYEES TO JUST ADOPT THE NEW PAY PLANS, PUT THEM IN THEIR NEW PAY GRADES AND ADJUST THEIR SALARIES.

WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO BE DOING THIS COMPENSATION STUDY THIS YEAR, SO OUR GOAL IS TO ACCOMPLISH THAT AS SOON AS WE CAN FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.

AND THEN IT ALSO HELPS US TO BE A MORE COMPETITIVE EMPLOYER FOR FILLING THE VACANCIES THAT WE DO HAVE.

SO I JUST HAD SOME IN THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE SLIDE THERE.

WHAT ARE KEY HIGHLIGHTS? WHY DO WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD SOLUTION FOR THE CITY? MARK WENT OVER A LOT OF THIS, SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH IT ALL AGAIN.

BUT REALLY AT A HIGH LEVEL, IT IS JUST ALL OF OUR PAY PLANS.

PAY RANGES MAKES US MORE COMPETITIVE.

SECONDLY, IT ADJUSTS ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES, SO THAT SHOWS A SIGNIFICANT VALUE FOR OUR CURRENT EMPLOYEES.

NOT THAT WE'RE JUST LEAVING THEM AT THEIR CURRENT SALARIES.

WE'RE ALSO ADJUSTING THEM BASED UPON THE MARKET.

IT WOULD ALSO ACHIEVE A MINIMUM LIVING WAGE RATE FOR ALL OF OUR FULL TIME AND PART TIME POSITIONS, WHICH WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO ACCOMPLISH AS WELL.

AND THEN LASTLY, I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT IT DOES CREATE A SEPARATE TRADES PAY PLAN.

SO MARK HAD MENTIONED THE VALUE OF SOMETIMES HAVING INDIVIDUALIZED PAY PLANS BASED ON THE INDUSTRY.

WE THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT GIVEN THE COMPETITIVENESS THAT WE SEE IN THE FIELD AND TRADES POSITIONS RIGHT NOW IN THE MARKET.

AND THEN IT ALSO DOES HELP US WITH OUR EMPLOYEES TALK ABOUT FUTURE PROGRESSION PATHS FOR EMPLOYEES THAT ARE IN SKILLED LABOR POSITIONS THROUGHOUT OUR DEPARTMENTS.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO WHAT IS STAFFS PROPOSED FUNDING STRATEGY.

SO WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO BE DOING THE COMPENSATION STUDY THIS YEAR AND THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME FUNDING TO IMPLEMENT THE THE RESULTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO WE ACTUALLY HAD A BUDGET SET ASIDE IN THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR TO IMPLEMENT THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY.

SO I'LL JUST WALK THROUGH THIS SLIDE AND THIS IS OUR CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.

SO AS MARK HAD WENT THROUGH FOR THAT COMP RATIO AND THAT ADDITIONAL MARKET ADJUSTMENT, THE COST FOR A FULL YEAR TO IMPLEMENT WOULD JUST BE UNDER 8.2 MILLION.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IN THE SECOND COLUMN IS WHAT IT WOULD COST JUST FOR THE LAST QUARTER OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, BECAUSE REALISTICALLY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS IMPLEMENTED UNTIL PROBABLY LATE JULY, EARLY AUGUST.

SO IT'S ABOUT 2 MILLION FOR THE COST FOR THE LAST QUARTER OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.

OUR TOTAL FUNDING THAT WE HAD SET ASIDE IN THIS BUDGET YEAR FOR THE COMP STUDY WAS 4.4 MILLION.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE DO HAVE THE FUNDING COVERED FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR ACROSS ALL FUNDS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT BY A FUND, BY INDIVIDUAL FUNDS, WE'RE SHORT IN A COUPLE OF AREAS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.

HOWEVER, THE AMOUNTS ARE VERY MINOR.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUST ACCOMMODATE THAT IN THE FUNDS BECAUSE OF HOW MINOR THEY ARE.

SO I THINK THE BIGGER QUESTION IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A FULL YEAR OF COST, WHICH IS THAT FULL 8.2 MILLION, WOULD WE HAVE THAT FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR AND HOW WOULD WE PROPOSE TO FUND THAT? SO I'M JUST GOING TO WALK THROUGH THIS SLIDE AGAIN.

THIS FIRST COLUMN IS THE TOTAL COST FOR A FULL YEAR TO IMPLEMENT THE STUDY.

THAT'S A 8.2.

THE SECOND AND THIRD COLUMNS SHOW WHAT WOULD BE IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2324 BUDGET.

SO AGAIN, THIS 4.4 THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR THAT'S GOING TO CARRY OVER, THAT'S PART OF OUR PERSONNEL BUDGET WILL EXIST IN NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN IN THE THIRD COLUMN, WHAT WE TYPICALLY AND GENERALLY DO FOR OUR EMPLOYEES IS BUDGET A 3% BASELINE INCREASE.

SO IF WE TAKE WHAT THAT WOULD BE IN A NORMAL YEAR FOR THAT 3% INCREASE, YOU'RE COMING JUST ABOVE 4 MILLION AT THE BOTTOM HERE.

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SO TOGETHER WITH THIS YEAR'S FUNDING, NEXT YEAR'S PLANNED FUNDING THAT WE WOULD HAVE DONE OR PLANNED FOR ANYWAYS AS PART OF OUR PROPOSED DRAFT BUDGET, WE'RE AT A TOTAL OF ABOUT 8.4 MILLION WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT ACROSS ALL FUNDS, 8.4, MORE THAN 8.2.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM AN INDIVIDUAL FUNDING FUND BASIS, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE ARE SHORT.

THERE'S A DELTA IN SOME OF THOSE FUNDS.

I THINK MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE ARE GOOD IN THE GENERAL FUND WITH THE FUNDING THAT WE WOULD HAVE BASED ON THOSE TWO SOURCES.

WE ARE SHORT IN SOME OF THOSE UTILITY FUNDS.

HOWEVER, THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING MORE INCREASES FOR EMPLOYEES IN THOSE FUNDS.

SO THAT'S TYPICALLY OUR FIELD AND TRADE SKILLED POSITION, SKILLED LABOR POSITIONS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO SEE HIGHER INCREASES BASED UPON THE MARKET DATA.

SO JUST ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, SOLID WASTE.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SOLID WASTE TRUCK OPERATORS THAT REQUIRE A CDL.

CDL ARE VERY COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKETPLACE RIGHT NOW, SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE INCREASE OF COSTS IN THOSE FUNDS.

BUT OVERALL WE WOULD DEVELOP THE 2324 BUDGET TO ACCOMMODATE THESE PERSONNEL COSTS.

AND SO THAT IS OUR FUNDING STRATEGY TO PAY FOR THIS GOING FORWARD AND WHY WE BELIEVE WE COULD DO IT THIS FISCAL YEAR INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WAIT TO BE PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS.

AND THEN IF WE DO IMPLEMENT THIS SOLUTION GOING FORWARD, AS CITY MANAGER HENSLEY STARTED OUT THE PRESENTATION, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO MORE ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND EVALUATION OF OUR CLASS STRUCTURE.

SO EVERGREEN SOLUTIONS HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO A COMPREHENSIVE EVALUATION EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS SO WE COULD DO THAT COMPREHENSIVE EVALUATION.

THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER STRATEGY WHERE WE COULD TAKE A PAY PLAN OR TO LOOK AT THEM ON A ROTATIONAL BASIS SO THAT WE CONTINUE TO EVOLVE OUR PAY PLANS AND NOT JUST WAITING FOR THAT ONE BIG COMPREHENSIVE EVALUATION TO BE DONE.

IN ADDITION, I DID WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS IS AN EVERGREEN REPORT, BUT A PROPOSED ANNUAL COMPENSATION STRATEGY.

SO WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IN FUTURE YEARS IN TERMS OF WE'D HAVE A BASELINE PLUS A MERIT INCREASE WHEN FINANCIAL ABILITY ALLOWS THE CITY TO PROVIDE THAT.

SO IF WE WERE TO DO A BASELINE INCREASE IN FUTURE YEARS, THE PAY PLANS WOULD ALSO MOVE BY THAT BASELINE INCREASE SO THAT IT KIND OF REFRESHES OUR PAY PLANS, KEEPS THEM MORE REFLECTIVE OF MARKET CONDITIONS.

BUT THEN OUR EMPLOYEES WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A MERIT INCREASE SO THAT THEY COULD PROGRESS FURTHER WITHIN THEIR OWN PAY GRADE.

SO THAT'S THE STRATEGY RECOMMENDED BY EVERGREEN SOLUTIONS.

WE DO THINK THAT IS A GOOD STRATEGY FOR ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF THE SYSTEM.

AGAIN, IT ALWAYS DEPENDS ON EACH FISCAL YEAR AND THE FINANCIAL ABILITY FOR THE CITY TO DO SO, INCLUDING THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

FOR 2324, WE ARE GOING TO BE PROPOSING FUNDING FOR A MERIT INCREASE.

AND THAT'S THAT TOTAL IS SIT HERE ON THE SLIDE.

HOWEVER, WE'RE NOT SEEKING DIRECTION ON THAT HERE TODAY.

THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF YOUR BUDGET PROCESS FOR 2324.

IT WOULD BE A SUPPLEMENTAL THAT COUNCIL COULD CONSIDER.

SO JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, THAT WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING A MERIT INCREASE ON TOP OF THESE COMPENSATION INCREASES BASED UPON THE MARKET.

BUT WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING OR SEEKING DIRECTION HERE ON THAT TODAY.

AND THEN LASTLY, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT COMPENSATION.

WE ALSO KNOW THE OTHER HALF OF THIS STRATEGY, AS MARK HAD MENTIONED, THE STRENGTHS THAT WE HAVE AS AN EMPLOYER IS OUR BENEFITS PROGRAM.

SO MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN SUSTAIN THOSE BENEFITS PROGRAMS AND CONTINUE TO ENHANCE THEM FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AS WELL.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE OTHER HALF OF THE EQUATION.

JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE'RE VERY COGNIZANT THAT THAT ALSO HELPS US TO BE A MORE COMPETITIVE EMPLOYER.

SO THIS IS JUST THE LAST SLIDE.

WE'RE SEEKING DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR RECOMMENDED STRATEGY TO DO THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE FOR OUR ORGANIZATION AND OUR EMPLOYEES, WHICH WOULD LIKELY BE LATE THIS SUMMER BASED UPON THE FUNDS THAT ARE BUDGETED IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, BASED UPON THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR NEXT YEAR. AND THEN THE PAY PLANS, FINAL PAY PLANS AND STRUCTURE WOULD BE ADOPTED ADMINISTRATIVELY BY THE CITY MANAGER.

THE SECOND OPTION FOR CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OF STAFF, OR YOU MAY WISH TO WAIT AND REEVALUATE THE PLANNED FUNDING STRATEGY THAT WE HAVE TO BE PART OF THE ACTUAL BUDGET PROCESS AND DELAY THAT IMPLEMENTATION FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AS WELL.

SO THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE SEEKING AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN.

ESSER. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

FIRST OF ALL, I JUST THINK IT SHOULD BE SAID THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE BEEN RECRUITING EXCEPTIONAL PEOPLE DESPITE SIGNIFICANT HEADWINDS.

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YOU'RE IN A LOW UNEMPLOYMENT ENVIRONMENT AND A HIGH INFLATION ENVIRONMENT THAT'S ERODING THE VALUES THAT WE DO PUT OUT IN THE MARKET.

SO AMAZING.

YOU CAN'T KEEP THAT UP FOREVER.

AND, YOU KNOW, I GET THE MESSAGE THAT WE'RE OUT OF WHACK.

BUT I DIDN'T WHILE I UNDERSTOOD THE STATEMENTS YOU MADE, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY THE DATA AS IT WAS PRESENTED ON THE SLIDE WHERE YOU SHOWED THE IT'S MARK, IS IT WHERE YOU SHOWED THE THE MINIMUM, THE, I GUESS THE MEDIAN AND THE MAXIMUM ADJUSTED AND UNADJUSTED? YEAH, THAT'S THE SLIDE WHERE I SEE.

I'VE. FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE ADJUSTMENTS ARE, BUT THEN BASICALLY SOME OF THE NUMBERS ARE NEGATIVE.

SOME OF THEM ARE POSITIVE. RIGHT.

SO CAN YOU SORT THAT OUT? ABSOLUTELY. SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE THREE NUMBERS, -7.8, -2.4 AND 1.2.

SO THAT SHOWS HOW YOUR PAY RANGES RIGHT NOW, JUST WITH A RAW COMPARISON OF YOUR PAY TO THE MARKET, YOU ARE -7.8% WHEN COMPARED WITH THE MINIMUM OF THE RANGE. THAT SHOWS YOUR 7.8% BELOW WHAT YOUR AVERAGE PEER PAYS.

THE 1.2 AT THE TOP INDICATES THAT YOU ARE VERY COMPETITIVE AT THE TOP OF THE RANGE, THAT YOUR MAXIMUMS ARE ABOUT WHERE THE MARKET MAXIMUMS ARE.

THIS SHOWS THE MARKET IS A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROW THAN YOU ARE IN GENERAL WITH YOUR PAY.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE DIDN'T GET INTO QUITE AS MUCH.

BUT ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO SLIGHTLY SHRINK YOUR RANGES, NOT NOTHING SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE WE'RE OKAY WITH YOU HAVING SLIGHTLY WIDER RANGES, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAW IN THE MARKET.

SO THE NEGATIVES ON THE PAGE HERE, THEY DO INDICATE WHERE YOU TRAIL THE MARKET.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT BOTH THE UNADJUSTED AND THE ADJUSTED PAYS BECAUSE AGAIN, THE UNADJUSTED PAY IS WHAT AN EMPLOYEE IS GOING TO SEE.

IF THEY GO OUT TO THE MARKET, IF THEY GO TO INDEED.COM OR LINKEDIN AND THEY TYPE IN WHAT DOES SOMEBODY ELSE GET PAID AS AN ACCOUNTANT, THEY'RE GOING TO SEE A NUMBER THAT'S 8% HIGHER. THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK TO THEMSELVES, IS IT WORTH IT FOR THE THE COST OF LIVING? DO I HAVE TO MOVE ACROSS THE METROPLEX? OR MAYBE I CAN COMMUTE FROM RIGHT HERE? I CAN GET A SALARY THAT'S 8% HIGHER AND I'LL KEEP MY SAME HOUSE.

IF YOU'RE WITHIN THAT LOCAL COMMUTING DISTANCE.

THAT IS SOMETHING WE'VE LOOKED AT, NOT PARTICULARLY HERE, BUT AGAIN WITH A NUMBER OF OUR CLIENTS.

I MEAN, NOT EVERYBODY THAT WORKS HERE IS GOING TO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

SO OF COURSE, ANYBODY THAT'S LIVING AROUND THAT MAY ACTUALLY BE GETTING A SHORTER COMMUTE FOR A HIGHER PAY, SAME COST OF LIVING FOR THEM.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE SHOW BOTH OF THOSE.

BUT WE WILL SHOW OVER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WHEN WE DID LOOK AT MAKING SOME OF THOSE ADJUSTMENTS, IN PARTICULAR THAT COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT TO SHOW IF SOMEBODY IS ONE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS WE COMPARED TO MIGHT BE RIGHT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TOWARDS SORT OF THE HEART OF THE METROPLEX, THEY MAY HAVE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER COST OF LIVING THAN WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE HERE. AND SO IT SHOWS YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPETITIVE OVERALL.

BUT AGAIN, NOT A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.

WE KNOW IT'S EXPENSIVE TO LIVE IN DENTON AS WELL.

AND SO IT IS A COUPLE PERCENTAGE POINTS MORE COMPETITIVE, WE WOULD SAY.

SO IS MOST OF THE HIRING DONE AT THE LOW END? SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S LIKE A GREATER SENSITIVITY IN GENERAL.

THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT TO TRY TO HIRE.

I DON'T KNOW THE STATISTICS ABOUT WHERE EXACTLY YOU'RE BRINGING PEOPLE, BUT YES, THAT IS WHERE YOU'RE TYPICALLY TRYING TO HIRE EMPLOYEES.

IF THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS FOR A JOB ARE BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN TWO YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, ANYBODY COMING IN APPROXIMATELY WITH THOSE QUALIFICATIONS YOU'D WANT TO HIRE AT THAT RANGE? NOW, IF YOU'RE HIRING SOMEBODY WITH A MASTER'S DEGREE IN 15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, YOU MAY BRING THEM IN CLOSER TO MIDPOINT OR HIGHER UP.

BUT IN GENERAL, THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT.

WELL, AND COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER THAT'S I THINK THAT'S WHERE SARA WAS TALKING ABOUT.

MARK WAS TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE'RE SO LOW, WE'VE HAD TO BRING PEOPLE IN MUCH HIGHER.

AND SO THE GOAL IS YOU DO BRING PEOPLE IN AT THE MORE LOWER RANGE, BUT YOU MOVE THEM UP.

IT'S PROGRESS. YOU WANT TO SEE THEM UPWARD MOBILE.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE LAST YEAR, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST, WE'VE HAD TO BRING PEOPLE IN AT HIGHER AND THAT'S WHAT CAUSED COMPRESSION, THAT'S WHAT CAUSED ISSUES WITH SUPERVISORS.

THIS IS A WHOLE SHIFT.

SOME ORGANIZATIONS WILL JUST DO PAY RANGE SHIFTS.

THIS IS A WHOLE SHIFT, WHICH MEANS PAY RANGES, SHIFT PAY SHIFTS.

MAYOR I JUST HAVE ONE MORE SARA THIS MAY MAYBE OUT OF SCOPE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WARNING MACK BUT DO YOU HAVE A CONCERN AT ALL THAT TO BITE THIS OFF, THAT MIGHT BE A CHALLENGE AS FAR AS BUDGETING FOR FOR POSITIONS WHERE WE WANT TO GROW, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS NEXT YEAR? I MEAN, JUST IN TERMS OF LIMITED RESOURCES, RIGHT? I WILL SAY THIS.

ANY SARA WILL DO. ANY.

SARA. OKAY.

WE ONLY BROUGHT TWO TODAY, BUT WE'VE GOT SOME MORE OUT THERE.

FOR ME, THIS IS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR THIS ORGANIZATION BECAUSE AND SO IT MAY MAKE YOUR BUDGET DECISIONS FROM THIS POINT VERY EASY DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE IT IS A LARGE SUM OF MONEY.

BUT SOME OF IT, A LOT OF IT IS COMING FROM UTILITIES.

BUT BECAUSE WE'RE SO FAR BEHIND AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE HAVE LOST PEOPLE, TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, EVEN RECENTLY, BECAUSE THEY WERE OFFERED A

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SALARY, $3,000 MORE.

AND IT YOU KNOW, IT BREAKS OUR HEARTS BECAUSE WE USUALLY LOSE A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE.

SO THIS IS THE PRIORITY.

AND IT MAY RISK SOME OTHER AREAS THAT WANT TO ADD OR A BUNCH OF SUPPLEMENTALS.

BUT I THINK EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE WOULD SAY THIS HAS GOT TO BE OUR PRIORITY BECAUSE IT HELPS PAY PEOPLE WHAT THEY REALLY NEED AND IT HELPS US KEEP GOOD PEOPLE.

THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE RESPONSES TO THE COMMENTS AND I WAS GOING THROUGH AND APPRECIATE THAT.

SARA IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAD A 3% PLUS ONE INCREASE LAST YEAR IN AN ATTEMPT TO SORT OF KEEP UP WITH THE JONESES AND DO MERIT AND COLA AND.

WE WE'RE SUGGESTING A COMP RATIO VERSION OF A THREE PLUS MINIMUM OF THREE PLUS.

IT'S GOING TO VARY BETWEEN CATEGORY AND AND PAY TYPE.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WE SORT OF LIGHTLY UNDERSHOT THE MARK BECAUSE IF YOU'VE DONE THE STUDY AND WE'D HIT THE MARK LAST YEAR WITH THE THREE PLUS ONE, WE'D BE SITTING PRETTY RIGHT AT THE MARKET LEVELS AND WE'RE SORT OF NOT.

AND SO I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS QUESTION IS WHO DOES THE COMP RATIO VERSION? LAST YEAR'S WAS FLAT.

SO DOES THE COMP RATIO VERSION OF THIS GIVE US SUFFICIENT FLEXIBILITY AND FIDELITY THAT WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO COMPENSATE FOR PROJECTED GROWTH IN CPI AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IN.

SO WE DON'T FACE THIS AGAIN EVERY SINGLE YEAR THAT WE HIT THIS.

DO YOU WANT TO? SURE. SO THE RECOMMENDED IMPLEMENTATION THAT WE HAVE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH THAT WE'RE GIVING, WE BELIEVE WILL PUT YOU IN A COMPETITIVE PLACE FOR THE NEXT 12 MONTHS.

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY ANY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE GIVE IS CURRENT AS OF NOW, AND MOST OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ARE GOING TO BE UPDATING THEIR PAY ONCE A YEAR.

IF YOU DON'T UPDATE YOUR PAY AGAIN FOR SEVEN MORE YEARS, IT WILL NOT BE COMPETITIVE.

AND SO AGAIN, TO HERE, I ACTUALLY WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED WHEN I HEARD A FEW MONTHS AGO, BUT WHEN WE HEARD THAT YOU HAD AN UPDATED PAY SINCE 2016 THAT YOU WERE ONLY THIS FAR BEHIND, I ABSOLUTELY WOULD HAVE ANTICIPATED IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FURTHER.

AND SO, AGAIN, TO HEAR YOU A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR, 3% OR WHATEVER, AND YOU'VE DONE SOME THINGS TO STAY COMPETITIVE.

BUT I WOULD SAY EACH YEAR IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE MARKET.

AND SO, YES, THIS DOES INCLUDE A PROJECTION OF WHAT YOUR PEERS ARE GOING TO ALSO BE MOVING.

RIGHT NOW, WE KNOW ALL YOUR PEERS ARE IN, YOU KNOW, STARTING THEIR BUDGET PROCESS AS WELL.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE MAKING AN INCREASE.

THIS DOES GET YOU TO THAT POINT SO THAT YOU WON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANOTHER ADJUSTMENT IN DECEMBER OR NEXT JANUARY OR FEBRUARY OR MARCH.

BUT YOU DO NEED TO LOOK AT IT NEXT YEAR.

YOU WILL NEED TO CONSIDER NEXT YEAR HOW FAR DO WE MOVE.

AND SO IF YOU'RE STARTING AT A COMPETITIVE POSITION NEXT YEAR, IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU ONLY MOVE 2% OR 3%.

IT MAY BE A SMALL INCREASE FOR NEXT YEAR, BUT THAT WOULD BE OUR OUR STATEMENT ON THAT.

AND SO WHEN WE DO LOOK AT THE ANNUAL BASELINE OR COLA INCREASE FOR EMPLOYEES, WE DO COMPARE TO WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING TO THEIR EMPLOYEES.

SO 4% LAST YEAR DID HELP US PROGRESS FURTHER.

BUT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE MARKET, BASED ON COST OF LIVING, ALL THESE OTHER FACTORS, IT JUST DOESN'T ADD UP TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS.

BUT WE DO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BE MARKET COMPETITIVE BASED ON WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE PROVIDING TO THEIR EMPLOYEES EACH YEAR.

SO WE'LL SURVEY, WE'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S YOUR AVERAGE INCREASE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING TO YOUR EMPLOYEES SO THAT HOPEFULLY WE STAY SOMEWHAT COMPETITIVE WITH OTHERS? NOT THAT WE'RE PROVIDING NO INCREASES AND ALL OF THE OTHER CITIES AROUND US THAT WE CONSIDER COMPETITORS ARE PROVIDING A 4% INCREASE THAT WOULD PUT US WAY FURTHER BEHIND.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO TO MATCH GENERALLY WHAT OTHER CITIES DO.

OKAY. AND SO IF I MIGHT, THEN WE'RE ANTICIPATING SORT OF CRUDELY, IF WE APPROVE THIS AS RECOMMENDED, THIS THIS DISTRIBUTED 3%, IT'S NOT REALLY 3%, BUT SORT OF A MEAN OF 3% ACROSS THE DIFFERENT DISTRIBUTION TYPES.

PLUS WE'RE ANTICIPATING A COLA OF 3%.

IF THAT'S WHAT WE ALSO APPROVED.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT TO SORT OF STAY UP WITH MARKET AND COST OF LIVING, 6% INCREASE KIND OF SORT OF OVERALL.

SO THE THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY IS THE COMP RATIO DOES INCLUDE A 3% COLA OR BASELINE AT A MINIMUM, IT'S ALREADY IN THERE.

SO EMPLOYEES WOULD BE RECEIVING THAT EARLY IN JULY OR AUGUST INSTEAD OF WITH THE NEW FISCAL YEAR.

BUT THEN ON TOP OF JUST THE 3% MINIMUM THAT THEY'VE ALREADY PUT IN FOR THE COLA IS JUST DEPENDENT ALL UPON WHICH GRADE AND THEIR NEW PAY RANGE AND WHERE THEY GET PLACED IN IT.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE A MINIMUM OF 3%.

EVERYONE ACROSS THE BOARD WOULD GET THAT.

THAT'S THAT COLA OR BASELINE ADJUSTMENT.

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AND THEN BUT THEIR INCREASE COULD BE MORE DEPENDING UPON THE MARKET AND THE DATA AND WHERE THEY'RE PLACED IN THEIR RANGE.

AND MAYOR PRO TEM, I WILL SAY THIS, THAT, YOU KNOW, I GOT A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE ENCHILADA, EVERY SINGLE POSITION, WHICH WAS AND IT WAS REAL TINY LETTERING.

IT WAS REALLY HARD.

BUT BUT WHAT WHAT IT SHOWED TO ME IS THE ONES, THE PRIMARILY THE ONES GETTING THE MOST PERCENTAGE ARE THE FRONT LINE EMPLOYEES, YOUR SOLID WASTE DRIVERS, YOUR THESE ARE THE ONES WHO'VE BEEN WAY BEHIND AND YOU'LL SEE A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE INCREASE BECAUSE ONE, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO HIRE ANY AND TWO, WE'VE BEEN OUT OF THEIR PAY RANGE FOR WHAT THEY NEED EVEN IN CRAFT PAY FOR SOME WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH SOME OF THE TECHNICAL ISSUES WITH DME, IT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT.

SO IT'S IT'S REALLY THE WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS IS TRULY SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE A BASELINE, NOW WE HAVE SOMETHING TO GO FROM.

WE JUST CANNOT LOSE ANY OF OUR FOOTING.

AND AND WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS SO WE STAY WHERE WE ARE.

THIS IS THE BIG CHUNK THIS TIME.

I DO NOT ANTICIPATE EVER GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THIS KIND OF MONEY IN THE FUTURE IF WE STAY WITH EVERY OTHER YEAR DOING SOME TYPE OF PAY EVALUATION OR LOOKING AT THE PAY PLAN EVERY YEAR BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO SEVEN YEARS WITHOUT DOING A STUDY ON YOUR PAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS WHY WE'RE PAYING.

AND I HAVE ONE BRIEF ON COMPRESSION, MR. MAYOR, IF I MIGHT. RIGHT. THANK YOU.

SO ON, COUNSELOR MELTZER TALKED ABOUT COMPRESSION WITH YOU A SECOND AGO IN THE UPPER END.

AND SO I KIND OF WANT TO FOLLOW OUT ON THAT A LITTLE BIT SO I CAN UNDERSTAND A LITTLE MORE.

ARE WE SAYING ESSENTIALLY THAT AT THE LOW END WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE DISTRIBUTION THAT SORT OF HAS THIS MEAN OF 3% AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MORE NARROW DISTRIBUTION FOR THE UPPER QUARTILE? IT I DON'T I SHOULDN'T HAVE POINTED YOU WERE EVER GOING TO ANSWER IT, BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT ON THE SLIDE, IS IT THAT WE'RE MORE LIKELY ADJUSTING THE UPPER END SO THAT WE HAVE A BROADER DISTRIBUTION OVERALL THAT'S MORE COMMENSURATE WITH THE NEW MIN MAX RANGES? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? SO WE DID SOME OF THE LIGHTER ADJUSTMENTS ARE TO THE UPPER END.

SOME OF THE HEAVIER OR MORE SIGNIFICANT ADJUSTMENTS ARE TO THE LOWER END REALLY AS A FUNCTION OF WHERE WE SAW YOUR POSITIONS VERSUS MARKET AND OF HITTING THAT LIVING WAGE NUMBER THAT WE TARGETED AT THE BOTTOM.

SO YOU WERE WELL BELOW THAT CURRENTLY.

AND SO GO AHEAD.

OKAY. SO SO LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS, WE DID SEE SOME OF THE POSITIONS AND I CAN'T SPEAK ACROSS THE BOARD HERE, BUT SOME OF THE POSITIONS IN THE MANAGER AND DIRECTOR RANGE WERE MORE COMPETITIVE. AND SOME OF THE POSITIONS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, SOME OF THE TRADES POSITIONS, SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, MORE MORE SORT OF SKILLED LABOR POSITIONS AT THE BOTTOM END OF THE SCALE CDL POSITIONS PARTICULAR FOR SURE.

THOSE POSITIONS NEEDED LARGER INCREASES AND SO THEY WILL BE MOVING A LITTLE BIT MORE SIGNIFICANTLY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TRY TO DO AGAIN WITH THE ADDITIONAL ADJUSTMENT IN PARTICULAR IN ADDITION TO THE COMP RATIO, IS MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE IF THE TOP DOESN'T MOVE AS FAR AND THE BOTTOM JUMPS WAY UP, THAT CAN PUSH YOU IN TOGETHER.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.

AND WE ABSOLUTELY DID LOOK FOR THAT AND WE TRIED TO ENSURE, AGAIN BY LOOKING AT EMPLOYEE PAY VERSUS SUPERVISOR PAY AS WELL AS BY A VERY, VERY THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE PAY GRADES TO SAY IF THIS PAY GRADE MOVED, YOU KNOW, BY 15% AND THE SUPERVISOR DIDN'T MOVE AT ALL, THAT COULD CAUSE SOME COMPRESSION.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD HAVE LOOKED AT AND SAID, OKAY, IF THIS ONE MOVES HERE, WHERE DOES THE SUPERVISOR NEED TO BE SUCH THAT THERE IS SUFFICIENT SPACE? IT DOES NOT MEAN THERE WILL BE THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE EVERY TIME IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST, THE SUPERVISOR MIGHT HAVE MADE 30% MORE THAN THE EMPLOYEE.

NOW THEY MAKE 25% MORE.

THAT THAT IS OKAY.

THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.

BUT WE DID ALWAYS TRY TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS SUFFICIENT SPACE BETWEEN EMPLOYEES, EVEN THOUGH AT THE BOTTOM END YOU ARE GOING TO SEE A LARGER AVERAGE INCREASE TO THE TO THE PAY FOR THE EMPLOYEE. I APPRECIATE THAT.

THAT GOT EXACTLY TO THE ISSUE I HAD.

THANK YOU. GOOD. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILWOMAN WATSON? GOOD MORNING. GOOD AFTERNOON.

GOOD AFTERNOON. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

WHAT? WHEN YOU SAID THAT IT BRINGS EVERYBODY TO A LIVING WAGE, WHAT IS THAT? I BELIEVE IT IS. 1824.

IT'S WAS IT WAS WRITTEN ON ONE OF THESE SLIDES.

IT'S AS CALCULATED BY MIT.

IT IS. THIS IS A SOURCE THAT WE'VE USED MANY TIMES AND IT'S 1824 THAT WORKS OUT TO, WHAT IS THAT, ABOUT 37,000 A YEAR, ABOUT SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.

YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

AND WHAT PART HAS THE IN THIS THE COST RANGE OF I THINK IF YOU'LL PULL THE SLIDE UP, THAT SHOWS THE 2020, THE 2023 TO 2024 PLAN WHERE YOU GOT SO MUCH BUDGETED FOR, I THINK.

OKAY. RIGHT THERE.

DO ALL THOSE COSTS INCLUDE OUR MRS CONTRIBUTIONS? OKAY. YES, THEY DO.

THERE'S THE FULLY LOADED PERSONNEL COST.

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OKAY. AND BECAUSE OUR MRS RIGHT NOW IS AT WHAT PERCENTAGE? 17%. ACTUARIAL.

RIGHT? 17.85.

OKAY. AND SO WHEN AND I ASK THIS QUESTION EVERY TIME BECAUSE, NUMBER ONE, THAT'S PHENOMENAL THAT AND WHEN YOU SAID THAT ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OR ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR EMPLOYEES REALLY ENJOY THE RETIREMENT BENEFITS BECAUSE YOU GET THE MRS PLUS YOU GET YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY CONTRIBUTIONS.

THESE SURVEYS THAT WERE SENT BACK IN WHEN WE'RE COMPARING THIS TO OTHER CITIES.

I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE ON THE SAME MRS SYSTEM OR NO.

AND THEN DO WE KNOW IF THEY ARE ALSO PAYING? IN OTHER WORDS, ARE WE GETTING A GOOD COMPARISON OF THE RETIREMENT BENEFITS, WHICH ARE ALL PART OF THE PAY PACKAGE? IS THAT HOW DID THOSE SURVEYS TURN OUT IN THAT REGARD? I'M GOING TO LET MARC COMMENT.

PART OF WHAT THEY DID WAS THERE IS A BENEFITS CHAPTER AS PART OF THE FINAL REPORT.

IT'S VERY HIGH LEVEL, BUT THEY DID DO SOME COMPARISON WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND I'LL LET HIM TALK ABOUT IT.

BUT OVERALL, WE ARE COMPETITIVE IN TERMS OF BENEFITS AND RETIREMENT OPTIONS.

SO WE DID COLLECT BENEFITS INFORMATION AS WELL.

THE INFORMATION, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE MADE, THE COST SHOWN HERE, AGAIN, ARE NOT ADJUSTING BENEFITS.

SO WE DID NOT SAY, WELL, IF WE INCREASE SALARY BY THIS AMOUNT AND THEN YOU PAY THIS AMOUNT EXTRA FOR HEALTH CARE, WE DIDN'T GET INTO THOSE ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE BENEFITS INFORMATION, BUT WE DID COLLECT THAT.

WE DID PROVIDE IT TO THE ORGANIZATION.

AGAIN, IT'S A VERY VALUABLE TOOL TO SEE, AS WAS MENTIONED IN ONE OF THE SLIDES, CONTINUE TO EVALUATE BENEFITS AND COMPENSATION GOING FORWARD.

YOU ARE COMPETITIVE AND IN SOME PLACES YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE GENEROUS THAN THE MARKET FOR BENEFITS, AND IN SOME PLACES YOU'RE ABOUT WITH THE AVERAGE OR MAYBE SLIGHTLY BELOW.

REALLY, THE BENEFITS PACKAGE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX TO ANALYZE THAN COMPENSATION BECAUSE WE KNOW EVERYONE WOULD PREFER TO MAKE 55,000 THAN 53,000.

WE KNOW THAT'S EVERYBODY BENEFITS.

YOU MAY SAY, WELL, I PREFER THIS HEALTH PLAN BECAUSE IT HAS A LOWER DEDUCTIBLE OR I PREFER THAT ONE BECAUSE IT HAS A LOWER MONTHLY PAYMENT.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO GET INTO THERE.

SO IT IS SAFE TO SAY, YES, WE DID THE COMPARISON.

YES, YOU ARE COMPARABLE OVERALL, BUT EACH INDIVIDUAL MAY JUDGE THAT PLAN A LITTLE BIT MORE OR LESS FAVORABLY THAN A PEER WOULD OFFER.

OKAY, COOL. SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, ON THE FUNDING FOR THIS UPCOMING BUDGET.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IN THE CURRENT BUDGET WITHIN I GUESS IT'S PERSONNEL OR THAT WE HAVE $4.4 MILLION THAT WE ARE NOT PAYING RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS FOR POSITIONS OR UPGRADES, YOU KNOW, SALARY INCREASES AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.

CORRECT. THIS HAS BEEN ALLOCATED SPECIFICALLY TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMP STUDY.

YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

AND SO THEN THE SHORTFALL IS THE $4 MILLION THERE, IS THAT RIGHT? THE THE $4 MILLION HERE IS WHAT WE HAVE PUT INTO AS A PLACEHOLDER IN OUR DRAFT FISCAL YEAR 2324 BUDGET BASED ON 3% ACROSS ALL PERSONNEL COSTS. OKAY, SO THIS IS WHERE I GET WHAT WE WOULD GENERALLY BUDGET FOR AS A COLA OR A BASELINE.

OKAY. SO THEN THIS COMP RATIO PLUS MARKET IN THE FAR, ME LOOKING AT THE LEFT HAND COLUMN, THE 8.17, THAT IS TOO BECAUSE I SEE TWO COMPONENTS TO THIS.

ONE IS WE GOT TO JUST RAISE PEOPLE'S PAY, FORGET HOW MUCH WE'RE PAYING THEM EACH YEAR FOR COLA AND ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS.

WE'VE JUST GOT TO RAISE THEIR PAY AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM ON TOP OF THAT, EITHER A MERIT COLA OR WHATEVER.

IS THAT? AM I SEEING THAT CORRECTLY? SO THE MERIT NUMBERS ARE NOT REFLECTED IN HERE, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING A MERIT THAT'S GOING TO BE SEPARATE AS A SUPPLEMENTAL 2.1 MILLION CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS ITSELF.

THIS IS JUST SHOWING WHAT WE HAVE SET ASIDE IN OUR DRAFT 2324 BUDGET.

THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE CITY MANAGER'S PROPOSED BUDGET IS THE 3% WHICH WE WOULD DO IN OTHER YEARS.

SO WE'RE SHOWING IT AS A FUNDING SOURCE AND THAT IS THE COLA, BUT NOT THE MERIT.

OR ARE YOU SAYING THIS WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD OTHERWISE PROVIDE AS A COLA? RIGHT. BUT NOW THE COLA IS GOING TO GET WRAPPED INTO PART OF THIS IMPLEMENTATION THAT WOULD GO FORWARD IN JULY OR AUGUST SO EMPLOYEES WOULD RECEIVE IT EARLY INSTEAD OF IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR IN OCTOBER.

ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO GET JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS AND THE FINAL FORM.

SO TO INCREASE PEOPLE'S BASE SALARY THAT WE'RE BEHIND ON.

YEP. INCLUDING THE COLA.

FORGET THE MERIT IS COSTING THE 8.176.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT'S INCLUDING THE THE COLA WRAPPED IN BUT THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE 3% MERIT.

THE 8.1 IS THE TOTAL COST TO IMPLEMENT WHERE THE SOLUTION THAT WE PUT TOGETHER WITH EVERGREEN, WHICH IS ALL EMPLOYEES GET A 3% MINIMUM AND THEY MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR MORE JUST DEPENDING UPON WHERE THEIR POSITION WAS PLACED IN THERE.

OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO I WANT TO GO WITH WHAT THE EXAMPLE OF THE CITY MANAGER SAID, THAT WHEN SHE LOOKED AT THE FRONTLINE WORKERS, THAT SOME OF THEM WOULD NEED A BASE PAY

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INCREASE. FORGET ANYTHING ELSE OF I'M JUST GOING TO SAY 20% JUST SO THAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT FIGURE.

AND THE EIGHT POINT YES FOR ANYBODY THAT'S GETTING A BASE PAY.

RIGHT. AND THEN ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT IS THOSE SAME PEOPLE GETTING THAT BASE PAY WRAPPED INTO THAT IS THE COLA OR THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT.

THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL AMOUNT.

OKAY. EVERYONE WILL AT LEAST GET 3%.

OKAY. SOME WILL GET MORE THAN 3%.

GOTCHA. WELL, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, YEAH, A LOT MORE THAN 3%.

BUT SOME POSITIONS.

WELL, IF THEY'RE NEEDED.

THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. THEY GET 3% OTHERS AND A LOT OF THEM ARE FRONTLINE, I MEAN, OR MUCH HIGHER BECAUSE THEY NEEDED TO, OF COURSE.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S I'M NOT I'M NOT DISPUTING THAT AT ALL.

I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. SO WHEN WE WHEN WE HAVE THE BUDGET DISCUSSION COMING UP IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE'VE GOT $4.4 MILLION SITTING THAT WE'VE IMPLEMENTED OR THAT WE'VE SET ASIDE IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET TO IMPLEMENT THIS 8.176.

AND THEN SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 3% INCREASE FOR EVERYBODY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE 4 MILLION IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.

IS THAT. NO.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW IN THIS SLIDE IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET STARTED EARLY WITH IMPLEMENTATION BEFORE FISCAL YEAR 2324.

SO WE WANT TO START IN JULY OR AUGUST, RIGHT? SO WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW IS IF WE GET STARTED EARLY, WE'VE MADE THAT DECISION AND WE'VE PROVIDED THESE INCREASES TO OUR EMPLOYEES.

WE CAN'T CAN'T GO BACK ON THAT.

WOULD WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT FUNDING TO DO SO IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR? WOULD WE HAVE THIS TOTAL OF 8.1? RIGHT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW YES, WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO SO AS A AS A HIGH PRIORITY SET BY THE CITY MANAGER AND HER BUDGET PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE THE FUNDING FROM THIS YEAR, WE WOULD HAVE WHAT WE WOULD OTHERWISE BUDGET FOR THE 3%.

SO IT'S JUST TRYING TO SHOW THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED BESIDES TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOME OF THESE IN THE UTILITY FUNDS WHERE WE MAY HAVE TO NOT APPROVE OTHER EXPENDITURE REQUESTS, DRAW DOWN RESERVES, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, TO MAKE SURE TO BALANCE THOSE OUT.

BUT THAT THAT WOULD BE A HIGH PRIORITY ITEM IS THAT WE DO SO IN THOSE FUNDS.

SO I GUESS THEN WHERE I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED IS BECAUSE I'VE HEARD ANECDOTALLY THROUGH CONVERSATIONS REGARDING THIS TOPIC AND THEN BASED UPON SOME OF THE COMMENTS TODAY ABOUT, WELL, WE MAY HAVE AN EASY BUDGET CYCLE BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE SO MUCH REQUIRED FOR TO GET US CAUGHT UP ON PERSONNEL AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT LEFT FOR SUPPLEMENTAL.

SO I'M I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE WHAT I SEE HERE, AT LEAST WHAT I'M SEEING, IS THAT ADDITIONAL 3%.

SO IF WE'RE SITTING HERE IN A BUDGET MEETING FOR 23, 24, THE PERSONNEL COSTS THAT Y'ALL WOULD BE PROPOSING TO INCREASE.

I'M ASSUMING IT'S THE ACTUAL COST IS THE 8.176.

BUT THE MONEY TO FUND THAT, WE'RE BRINGING SOME MONEY IN FROM LAST YEAR.

THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT.

AND SO THEN THE ONLY ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT WE'VE GOT TO SORT OF COME UP WITH IS THIS 3%, THIS $4 MILLION.

AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? CORRECT. BUT WE IF WE TAKE THIS ACTION EARLY IN JULY OR AUGUST, WE ARE COMMITTING THAT THAT $4 MILLION IS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE PART OF THE BASELINE BUDGET.

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, BECAUSE THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR ME AS THE CITY MANAGER GOING FORWARD AS A BUDGET ITEM.

THEY MEAN PROPERTY TAXES ARE UP 21%, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PROTESTS.

BUT THERE MAY BE SOME MONEY TO PLAY WITH A LITTLE BIT, BUT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.

AND SO THERE MAY NOT BE A LOT OF MONEY LEFT OVER FOR OTHER SUPPLEMENTALS.

BUT FOR ME, THIS IS THE PRIORITY.

NO, NO. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M JUST SO I'M TRYING TO JUST UNDERSTAND WHEN WE GET INTO THESE DISCUSSIONS, WHAT ARE ALL THAT? SO SO I THINK THAT'S WHY WE PRESENTED OPTION ONE OR OPTION TWO.

OPTION ONE, WE'RE GOING TO COMMIT TO TO MOVING FORWARD TO MAKING THESE CHANGES FOR OUR EMPLOYEES WITH THAT 3% IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET THAT WE'RE USING THAT IF COUNCIL ISN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, IF YOU'D RATHER HAVE ALL THOSE FUNDING CONVERSATIONS FIRST IN TERMS OF THEN WE WAIT TO IMPLEMENT UNTIL, YOU KNOW, NEXT FISCAL YEAR, OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER, DECEMBER TIME FRAME SO THAT YOU CAN PROACTIVELY, YOU KNOW, CONFIRM, ALLOCATE THOSE DOLLARS.

WE WANTED TO PROPOSE WHAT A FUNDING STRATEGY WOULD BE IF WE COULD DO IT SOONER FOR OUR EMPLOYEES BASED ON THIS YEAR'S FUNDING AND THEN ALSO BASED UPON WHAT WE WOULD OTHERWISE PUT TOGETHER FOR THE CITY MANAGERS.

YEAH. SO I APPRECIATE THAT EXPLANATION.

IT'S REALLY CLEARED UP THE SENSE THAT SO THE DECISIONS WE'RE GOING TO MAKE TODAY IS EITHER GOING TO BE WE'RE GOING TO WAIT AND JUST CONSIDER THIS IN THE NORMAL BUDGET PROCESS

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LIKE WE DO EVERY TIME, OR WE'RE GOING TO SAY, NO, THIS IS IMPORTANT, LET'S IMPLEMENT IT.

AND IN ESSENCE, WE'RE SAYING AHEAD OF TIME IN THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDED BUDGET COMING FORWARD, THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS LINE ITEM HERE THAT SAYS, HEY, YOU GUYS HAVE TECHNICALLY NOT TECHNICALLY, WE'VE APPROVED THAT ALREADY, SO IT'S JUST ALREADY BUILT IN AND WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHATEVER MONEY'S LEFT OVER AFTER THAT IN THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET. IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY.

THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU.

YEAH, WELL, THAT'S HELPFUL.

YEAH, I'M FINISHED.

MAYOR. OKAY, COUNCILMAN.

AND WE HAVE TWO MINUTES, SO.

AND WE HADN'T EVEN HEARD FROM EVERYONE.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'M GOING TO PICK UP WHERE COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS LEFT OFF AND WHETHER IT'S MR. MAYOR OR SARA.

ANY ANY THOUGHTS ON WHY WE HAVE LAPSED IN DOING THIS CASE STUDY? WHY IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE MORE FREQUENTLY? WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE WE GOT TO TODAY? I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

I CAN JUST TELL YOU THAT WHEN YOU GO SO LONG AND NOT DO A STUDY, YOU START TRYING TO HIRE PEOPLE AND YOU'RE HIRING THEM ABOVE MID RANGE.

THEN YOU START COMPRESSION.

IT WAS IT WAS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GOOD HR PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING WE'VE GOT TO DO A COMP STUDY, COMP AND CLASS STUDY.

SO WE WE DID IT.

AND SO IT JUST HAS PROVEN, AS YOU HEARD, YOU KNOW, WE IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.

IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.

BUT BECAUSE COUNCIL DID DO WHAT THEY DID LAST YEAR WITH A 4% AND THEN THE MERIT, IT HELPED SOME.

BUT I AND IT'S EMBARRASSING THAT IT'S THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVEN'T TAKEN CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES, ESPECIALLY AT THE FRONTLINE LEVEL.

BUT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GO THAT LONG.

AND I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT REASON EITHER.

BUT JUST ALSO WITH COVID HITTING IN 2020, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE WE WOULD BE FINANCIALLY AS A CITY.

WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH A VOLUNTARY SEPARATION PROGRAM.

WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAD NOT DO ANY LAYOFFS.

SO THAT WAS AND THEN AFTER THAT, I DON'T THINK ANYONE EXPECTED THE ECONOMY TO DO WHAT IT DID, WHICH IS ACTUALLY BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT HAS BEEN THE CONDITIONS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.

SO I THINK IT WAS JUST A REALIZATION OF WE REALLY NEED TO GO OUT COMPREHENSIVELY AND REEVALUATE OUR COMPENSATION SYSTEM.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.

I WANT TO TALK SORRY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE REAL QUICK.

I WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR ON THAT.

IS IT A BOTH AND APPROACH? ARE WE GOING TO BE DOING A STUDY MORE OFTEN? YES. OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO BASELINE? EVERYBODY GETS PLUS MERIT.

WE'RE GOING TO DO STUDY MORE OFTEN BECAUSE THIS PROVES THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING.

WE HAVE GOT TO STAY ON TOP OF THIS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE MARKET, THE NORTH TEXAS MARKET.

WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS TO NOT BE ABLE TO ATTRACT QUALITY EMPLOYEES.

WHAT DOES MORE OFTEN LOOK LIKE? HOW OFTEN ARE WE? ARE WE GOING TO BE TALKING IN THE FUTURE ABOUT THIS? SO EVERGREEN RECOMMENDS THAT WE DO A COMPREHENSIVE ONE EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS.

I WOULD SAY CLOSER TO THAT THREE YEARS.

THE OTHER STRATEGY, THOUGH, IS THAT WE TAKE A PAY PLAN EACH YEAR AND WE EVALUATE IT.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, TECHNOLOGY SERVICES MAYBE GOES ONE YEAR, THE NEW TRADES PAY PLAN GOES THE NEXT, SO THAT WE'RE DOING THEM ON A ROTATIONAL BASIS SO THAT WE KEEP IT MORE.

SO THAT'S A BETTER WORD.

EVERGREEN. THAT'S AN EITHER OR, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT DEPENDS.

YEAH. OKAY. BOTH AND THEN.

OKAY. OKAY.

OTHER CITIES IN THE METROPLEX, WHAT ARE THEY DOING IN TERMS OF HOW OFTEN THEY'RE DOING STUDIES IT REALLY, IF YOU CAN JUST MAYBE GIVE ME AN AVERAGE AGGREGATE AVERAGE BASED OFF OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF DOING THIS? I WOULD SAY IT REALLY, REALLY VARIES BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY HAVE REALLY MORE OF THE STAFFING IN HR.

THEY'VE GOT SORT OF AN EXCESS STAFF WHERE THEY'RE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THIS INTERNALLY MORE FREQUENTLY.

YOU'VE GOT SOME ORGANIZATIONS WHO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE MARKET LEADERS SO THEY CAN AFFORD TO SLIP A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING SUCH HIGH RATES THAT IF THEY SLIP A LITTLE BIT, THEY'RE STILL WELL ABOVE THE MARKET AVERAGE.

I WOULD SAY PROBABLY YOUR AVERAGE PEER IS PROBABLY LOOKING ABOUT EVERY FIVE YEARS.

BUT AGAIN, SOME OF THAT IS PEOPLE CATCHING UP WHO HAVE NOT DONE IT FOR, YOU KNOW, TEN YEARS OR SO.

AND THAT DOES HAPPEN. WE WE'VE WORKED WITH A FEW IN THE AREA THAT ARE THAT WAY.

BUT I WOULD SAY, AGAIN, MOST ORGANIZATIONS ARE PROBABLY LOOKING AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SO, ALTHOUGH AGAIN, THERE'S DEFINITELY VARIATION.

SOME WILL DO IT MORE, SOME WILL DO IT LESS, SOME WILL DO SOME INTERNAL, SOME WILL DO BRING IN THE EXTERNAL.

THEY HAVEN'T LOOKED IN A WHILE.

OKAY, SO CAN I JUST SAY YES, MA'AM.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE FOR ME, WHEN YOU'RE WORKING IN THIS ORGANIZATION, AS HARD AS EVERYONE DOES WORK, THIS IS A HARD ORGANIZATION TO WORK IN.

IT IS THESE PEOPLE WORK EXTREMELY HARD AND THE REQUIREMENTS ON THEIR WORK AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS AND FOLLOWING UP AND THE PUBLIC MEETINGS.

I WANT US TO BE THE EMPLOYER OF CHOICE, TO BE THE EMPLOYER OF CHOICE.

THAT MEANS YOU PAY WELL, YOU COMPENSATE THEM WITH GREAT BENEFITS, YOU PROVIDE A QUALITY CULTURE.

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AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT WHILE WE DO HAVE OTHER CITIES AROUND US THAT ARE, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT US, I WILL TELL YOU THAT LEWISVILLE, CARROLLTON AND SOME OTHERS ARE GOING TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND THEY MAY ALREADY BE DOING THEIR OWN.

BUT WHAT I WOULD RATHER US BE BEHIND INSTEAD OF BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL LEADING THE FIELD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT WILL ATTRACT EXCELLENT EMPLOYEES HERE AND IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

SO THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, MR. MAYOR, I GUESS, IS FOR IS FOR YOU GOING FORWARD, WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE? THIS THIS I WANT TO ENSURE THAT THIS HAPPENS FOR FUTURE COUNCILS, FOR FUTURE CITY MANAGERS AND STAFF DOES WE NEED TO PERHAPS MEMORIALIZE SOMETHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE WILL DO THIS STUDY EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS.

IS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT TO THAT? WELL, I THINK. BY YOUR ACTION TODAY, WHATEVER THAT IS, AND WHOEVER MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION AND SAYS, I MOVE THAT WE DO THIS OR WHATEVER.

THEN YOU SAY, AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THREE YEARS, NOT FIVE, BECAUSE THE MARKET IN THIS AREA, BECAUSE OF THE TECH IN DALLAS, FORT WORTH AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE GO UP AGAINST AND ALL THE IT BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMING OUT, NOT JUST IN CITY GOVERNMENT, THAT'S WHO WE GET PULLED FROM.

THEY PULL FROM US ALL THE TIME BECAUSE NOT CITY GOVERNMENT, BUT THE BUSINESSES, THE PRIVATE BUSINESSES IS TO SAY THAT COUNCIL IS DIRECTING US EVERY THREE YEARS TO DO NOT ONLY THE THE STUDY, BUT TO LOOK AT HOW WE LOOK AT OUR PAY PLAN AS AN ORGANIZATION.

BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, AS YOU NOTED TODAY, YOU CAN'T CODIFY IT MORE THAN A YEAR.

RIGHT. AND SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS NO.

EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO IGNORE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR TODAY, JUST LIKE EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO IGNORE STATE LAW, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER.

YOU JUST YOU DON'T.

JESUS CHRIST. YEP.

YEP. BLESS HIM.

GO AHEAD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR.

PLEASE? UH COUNCILMAN.

HARLAN, IF YOU IF ANYONE KNOWS WHEN WAS IT WAS LAST ADJUSTED 5 OR 7 YEARS AGO PRIOR TO THAT, PLEASE.

I HAVE NO IDEA. CARRIE, DO YOU.

CAN YOU GUESS? I THINK IT WAS TEN YEARS PRIOR.

SO WE DIDN'T DO A STUDY.

IT WAS TEN YEARS THAT THEY DID AN ADJUSTMENT.

SO WE DID A STUDY TEN YEARS PRIOR TO THE ONE THAT WAS DONE SEVEN YEARS AGO.

CORRECT. AND IT USED TO BE MORE COMMON THAT YOU WOULD GO LONGER PERIODS OF TIME BETWEEN COMPENSATION STUDIES.

BUT THAT HAS CHANGED IN THE INDUSTRY.

AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO DO IT MORE OFTEN FROM 3 TO 5 YEARS.

THANKS VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT.

WHAT DIRECTION DO YOU NEED? JUST THE THE LAST DIRECTION.

IF YOU ARE OKAY WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO PROCEED EARLY BY APPLYING THESE ADJUSTMENTS IN JULY OR AUGUST, LATE SUMMER, WHENEVER WE'RE PREPARED FOR OUR EMPLOYEES BASED UPON THE FUNDING STRATEGY STRATEGY THAT WE SHOWED IN THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS OR OPTION TWO IS TO BE WAIT TO BE PART OF THE BUDGET AND WAIT UNTIL NEXT FISCAL YEAR TO IMPLEMENT THIS.

AND ONE MATH QUESTION, THE 3% IS THAT BASED ON THE NEW SALARIES, ASSUMING THE ADJUSTMENT OR BASED ON THE EXISTING SALARIES, BECAUSE YOU'RE ON YOUR CHART, YOU SAID ASSUMING THE 3% INCREASE BASED ON WHAT NUMBER, SO EVERYONE WOULD SEE A MINIMUM OF A 3% INCREASE BASED UPON THEIR CURRENT SALARY CURRENT.

SO YOU DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR THE 3% ON TOP OF THE IF THE NEW NUMBER WAS ADOPTED.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN PUT THE CHART UP THERE.

SO LET ME BE CLEAR THERE.

IF IF WE DO IT EARLY IN JULY OR AUGUST, EVERYONE'S GOING TO GET THAT 3% INCREASE.

AT A MINIMUM, THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE IN THE NEW FISCAL YEAR IN OCTOBER.

WE'RE JUST USING THAT FUNDING EARLY AS A STRATEGY TO MOVE FORWARD AHEAD OF THE BUDGET PROCESS.

TRACKING WITH YOU, I JUST NEED TO KNOW IS THAT THAT NUMBER IS BASED ON THE EXISTING PERSONNEL COSTS? YES, CORRECT. OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED. ALL RIGHT.

BRIEFLY. YEAH.

QUICK QUESTION THEN I CAN GIVE DIRECTION, TOO, IF YOU'D LIKE.

HOW ARE SALES TAX RECEIPTS TRENDING PERCENT YEAR OVER YEAR? MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, YEAR OVER YEAR? WE'RE A LITTLE BEHIND THIS YEAR.

NOT OVERLY SIGNIFICANT, BUT WHAT DO YOU HAVE A.

DANIELLE CAN TELL US.

IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BEHIND BEFORE.

IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, ABOVE SALES TAX HAS BEEN A LITTLE THEY'VE BEEN A LITTLE BEHIND.

OKAY. I'LL GET YOU THE NUMBER.

YEAH, SHE'S WORKING. IT MAKES IT A HARDER DECISION.

IT'D BE NICE IF IT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A CUSHION COMING BECAUSE OFTEN THAT IS THE CASE.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED.

BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S YOUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AND THE FACT THAT YOU'RE PREPARED BUDGET, YOU KNOW, A LINE ITEM IN ADVANCE AMPLY

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TO DO IT, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE A SITUATION WHERE WE WOULDN'T SAY.

YEAH. WE NEED TO DO THIS. I SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN. BYRD. I THINK THIS IS AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE IN FRONT OF THINGS.

A LOT OF TIMES WE DO TRAIL, NOT WE AS IN THE CITY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE AS THE PEOPLE TRAIL BEHIND.

SO I FULLY SUPPORT THE IMPLEMENTING THE RECOMMENDATION.

ALL RIGHT. AND AS I MAKE IT A PRIORITY AS WELL.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN WATSON.

YEAH. TO BE CLEAR, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO IMPLEMENT IT NOW, WHICH MEANS THAT WE WILL HAVE THAT BUILT IN BUDGETARY NUMBER ALREADY AS WE MOVE FORWARD INTO THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.

OKAY. I SUPPORT THAT.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I TOO, SUPPORT IMPLEMENTATION.

NOW, I JUST WANT TO APPLAUD YOU FOR THINKING OF THIS IN ADVANCE.

I APPLAUD THE CITY MANAGER FOR THINKING ABOUT THE FRONT LINE EMPLOYEES WHO PROVIDE THE EXCELLENT SERVICES TO THE RESIDENTS.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM.

I KNOW WE HAVE FOUR, BUT I'LL JUST SAY YES, I CONCUR WITH THE FOUR.

FIVE. ANYONE ELSE? THANKS. ALL RIGHT.

TAKES US TO ITEM B ID 23853.

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding an amendment to expand the boundaries and increase the term of Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Number One (Downtown TIRZ). [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 1 hour]]

RECEIVE, REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING AN AMENDMENT TO THE TO EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES AND INCREASE THE TERM OF TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER ONE.

DO YOU WANT TO SHARE THIS WITH ME? I ONLY DO THIS. ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. WAYNE EMMERSON, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I'D LIKE TO SAY WELCOME TO OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS.

COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER AND COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND.

SO. OKAY.

SO WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN TOURS, NUMBER ONE.

THE DOWNTOWN TOURS, NUMBER ONE WAS CREATED AND FISCAL YEAR 2011 AND NOVEMBER OF 2022.

THE DOWNTOWN TOURS BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT CITY STAFF ENGAGE A CONSULTANT TO TO ASSIST WITH UPDATING AND AMENDING THE TOURS PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES BOUNDARY AND TERM CONSIDERATIONS.

SO STAFF WIN.

AND WE HIRED DAVID PETTIT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANTS WHO ARE HERE WITH US TODAY WHO WILL BE PRESENTING ON THAT RECOMMENDATION.

SO THIS ITEM CONCERNS A COUPLE OF STRATEGIC FOCUS AREAS.

SO KEY FOCUS AREA THREE, WHICH IS FOSTER ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND AFFORDABILITY.

AND THEN OF COURSE, AS PART OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN UNDER DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT, IT ASKS US TO CONTINUE TO UTILIZE VARIOUS TOOLS TO STIMULATE PRIVATE INVESTMENT IN DOWNTOWN, WHICH TOURS IS AND THEN TO ALSO PRIORITIZE DEVELOPMENT ON THE CORRIDORS EXTENDING OFF THE SQUARE, WHICH WE'LL SEE WHEN WE EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES.

THAT'S WHAT THIS PLAN IS DOING.

SO WHEN A IS CREATED, IT HAS A CREATION ORDINANCE.

THERE ARE FIVE KEY ELEMENTS TO THAT CREATION ORDINANCE.

NUMBER ONE IS BOUNDARY TWO IS THE TERM, THREE IS THE COMPOSITION OF THE BOARD, FOUR BEING THE CITY'S PARTICIPATION RATE INTO THE FUND AND THEN THE PRELIMINARY PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN.

SO TODAY'S WORK SESSION IS PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON THE BOUNDARY AND THE TERM, AND THERE ARE SOME PROJECT COSTS CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT.

SO THE STATE STATUTE THAT THAT GOVERNS THE CREATION OF TOURS IS CHAPTER 311 OF THE TAX CODE.

SO I'LL I'LL HAVE A SLIDE HERE IN A MINUTE TO KIND OF TELL YOU A BIT ABOUT HOW THEY FUNCTION.

BUT WHAT IT DOES, IT CAPTURES A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TAX AND THEN IT'S USED TO TO FUND LARGE DEVELOPMENTS OR I'M SORRY, LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS OR DEVELOPMENT.

AND THE TOURIST BOARD HAS ITS OWN OR THE TOURS, HAS ITS OWN GOVERNING BODY, WHICH IS THE TOURIST BOARD.

AND THEN FUNDS MUST BE USED IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 311.

ALL RIGHT. SO THIS GREAT GRAPHIC RIGHT HERE WILL KIND OF EXPLAINS HOW IT WORKS.

SO WHEN A TOURS IS CREATED, ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT DOES IS IT FREEZES THE ASSESSED PROPERTY VALUE AT THAT YEAR, AND THAT BECOMES WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE BASE RATE. AND THEN ANY INCREMENT, ANY ADDITIONAL ASSESSED PROPERTY VALUE GOES INTO THE TOURS FUND AND IT COULD THEORETICALLY BE UP TO 100% OR I GUESS AS LOW AS AS 1%.

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BUT GENERALLY YOU DON'T SEE THAT A GOOD PORTION OF OF THE TOURS WILL ACTUALLY REMAIN IN THE GENERAL FUND.

SO AS THIS GRAPHIC HAS USED 15% AS AN EXAMPLE.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT ANY INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUE, 15% WOULD STAY IN THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN THE OTHER 85% IS GOES INTO THE TOURS FUND. AND THE IDEA IS YOU WOULD REINVEST THOSE DOLLARS INTO OTHER PROJECTS, INTO AN AREA THAT'S IN NEED OF REDEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN AT THE TERMINATION OF THE TOURS, YOU HAVE CREATED ALL THIS ADDITIONAL TAXABLE VALUE WHICH GOES BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

AND AT THIS MOMENT I'LL BRING UP DAVID PETTIT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I'LL LET THEM INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.

GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS NATALIE MOORE.

I'M WITH DAVID PETTIT, WHO IS HERE AS WELL.

AND THANK YOU, DWAYNE AND CITY STAFF AND LEADERSHIP FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY.

JUST DISCUSSING A LITTLE BIT OF THE FRAMEWORK OF TOURS.

NUMBER ONE, AND I'M SORRY, MY NAME IS NATALIE MOORE, AND IT WAS CREATED IN 2010.

AND AS AS DWAYNE MENTIONED, THAT BASE VALUE AT $79.4 MILLION.

SO THERE'S TWO WAYS TO GROW INCREMENT WITHIN THE TOURS.

YOU CAN JUST HAVE THE ORGANIC GROWTH OF THE TAX BASE SO THAT 79.4 MILLION, IF THAT WERE JUST TO GROW 3% YEAR OVER YEAR, THAT WOULD GENERATE INCREMENT.

BUT THEN A MORE CATALYTIC WAY TO GENERATE INCREMENT WOULD BE NEW DEVELOPMENT, NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW INVESTMENT THAT REALLY IS THE POPS IN THAT VALUE THAT WOULD REALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE, SO TO SPEAK.

THE TERM IS CURRENTLY 30 YEARS AND IT PER THE ORDINANCE, IT EXPIRES JANUARY 1ST, 2039.

THE CITY IS CURRENTLY THE ONLY PARTICIPATING ENTITY AND THE WAY THAT THE CREATION ORDINANCE SET OUT THAT CITY PARTICIPATION WAS A DECLINING SCALE OVER THOSE 30 YEARS.

SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THE FIRST FIVE YEARS WAS AT 100%, THEN IT WENT DOWN TO 95%, 90 AND 85%.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE CREATION ORDINANCE DID STIPULATE THAT THERE WAS 30 YEARS OF PARTICIPATION PERCENTAGE.

HOWEVER, THE TERM ACTUALLY ENDED UP BEING LESS THAN THAT.

IT WAS ACTUALLY 29 YEARS.

AND SO I KNOW IT SAYS HERE 30 YEARS.

THAT WAS THE INTENT. AND SO PART OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE ORDINANCE IS ACTUALLY A CLEANUP TO JUST PUSH THE YEAR OUT.

ONE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE WAY THAT THE INCREMENT IS BEING.

AND THE PARTICIPATION RATES, THE 85% IS ACTUALLY IT CUTS OFF ONE YEAR.

AND SO AS A CLEANUP ITEM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO EXPAND THE BOUNDARY BY ONE YEAR.

THESE ARE THE ORIGINAL BOUNDARIES OF THE TERM.

THIS IS WHAT IS IN PLACE TODAY.

YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT STREETS THAT KIND OF SET THE BOUNDARIES.

SO THERE'S CARROLL BOULEVARD ON THE WEST SIDE, BRADSHAW ON THE EAST MCKINNEY STREET, ON THE NORTH AND PRAIRIE STREET ON THE SOUTH.

WE THINK THAT THESE WERE VERY STRONG BOUNDARIES AS A STARTING POINT.

HOWEVER, WE THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MISSED POTENTIAL HERE IN TERMS OF.

A ENCAPSULATING AREAS OF YOUR DOWNTOWN THAT ARE RIPE FOR EITHER DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO HERE.

SO THOSE RED BOUNDARIES ARE THE BOUNDARIES I JUST SHOWED YOU.

THOSE ARE THE ORIGINAL BOUNDARIES IN THE BLUE.

YOU CAN SEE OUR PROPOSED EXPANSION.

EXPANDED BOUNDARIES.

AND I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE JUST TO SHOW YOU OUR THOUGHT PROCESS HERE.

SO WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT EXPANDING THE BOUNDARIES OF RETURNS, WE THINK OF IT IN TWO BUCKETS.

WE LOOK AT IT FIRST AS OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT.

THOSE CATALYTIC POPS AND VALUE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT WILL REALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE AND NOT JUST RELYING ON THAT ORGANIC, JUST SMALL INCREASES IN TAXABLE VALUE YEAR OVER YEAR. YOU CAN SEE HERE THE ZONING THAT WE FOCUSED ON IS MIXED USE DOWNTOWN CORE AND MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE STILL WANT THE THE TOURS TO BE COHESIVE IN TERMS OF THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON.

SO IT MADE SENSE THAT WE WOULD FOCUS ON THE THOSE TWO TYPES OF ZONING.

HERE. THIS IS THE CURRENT PROPERTY.

THE USES OF THE PROPERTY.

TWO THINGS HERE THAT WE FOCUSED ON IS COMMERCIAL AND VACANT LAND.

WE THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THE TOURS TO USE THE INCREMENT THAT'S GENERATED BY THOSE NEW DEVELOPMENTS TO SPUR DEVELOPMENT IN SOME OF THE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY. SO I MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS TWO BUCKETS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES.

THE FIRST IS AGAIN, OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEN ONCE THERE'S NEW DEVELOPMENT, ONCE THAT INCREMENT HAS BEEN GENERATED, WE ALSO WANT TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR PROPERTY OR FOR THE INCREMENT TO BE USED FOR PROJECT COSTS.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PROJECT COSTS AND THE TOURS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HOW CAN THOSE TOURS FUNDS BE UTILIZED TO FURTHER GENERATE NEW INVESTMENT AND THEN THUS INCREMENT?

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SO IN REGARDS TO TERM, IF THE BOUNDARY EXPANSION IS APPROVED, THE NEW BOUNDARIES WOULD HAVE A 2023 BASE.

SO AGAIN, THAT HORIZONTAL BAR IN THE CHART THAT WAYNE SHOWED YOU FOR THE CURRENT PROPERTY, IT HAS A CERTAIN BASE IN THE YEAR IN WHICH IT WAS CREATED.

HOWEVER, THE NEW BOUNDARIES WOULD HAVE A 2023 BASE.

SO WHEN YOU'RE CALCULATING THE INCREMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE FUNDS IN TERMS OF THE BASE VALUE AND THE INCREMENT IN WHICH THE VALUES ARE MEASURED AGAINST.

HOWEVER, ALL OF THE MONEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE USED WITHIN EITHER 1 OR 1.

A THE TERMINATION OF THE ZONE WOULD BE EXTENDED TO JANUARY 1ST, 2040, AS I MENTIONED.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DAVID TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT COSTS.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

I DO HAVE TO GIVE MY PLUG.

IT'S GOOD TO BE HOME. I WAS BORN.

I'M A FLOW BABY AND GRADUATED IN 1989 FROM DENTON HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH I JUST WENT TO.

ITS NEW DEDICATION.

MUCH NICER HIGH SCHOOL THAN THE ONE THAT I GRADUATED FROM.

AND I ALSO HAVE A MASTER'S IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION FROM NORTH TEXAS.

SO YOU AND MY MOM WENT TO TWU.

BROTHER IN LAW IS A SUPERINTENDENT HERE.

SO WE HAVE A LOT OF FAMILY CONNECTIONS HERE AND IN DENTON.

BUT WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO WITH STAFF INPUT WAS COME UP WITH I THINK NATALIE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THERE'S TWO WAYS TO GENERATE INCREMENT.

ONE IS JUST THAT ORGANIC GROWTH AND I THINK OTHER WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY SET OUT, THERE WAS CLOSE TO TEN CATALYTIC PROJECTS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORIC PERFORMANCE OF THE TIFF, ONLY ONE OF THOSE HAPPENED.

SO WHAT YOU'VE RELIED ON, YOUR TIFF IS BASICALLY JUST YOUR GROWTH.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE LEGISLATURE BETWEEN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE, BUT, YOU KNOW, DO THEY GIVE HOW THEY USE THIS BUDGET SURPLUS OF $100,000 HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION? THE HOUSE IS TALKING ABOUT A 5% CAP ON COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL GROWTH, WHICH WOULD REALLY PUT A CRIMP AND HOW WE LOOK AT TIFF GOING FORWARD, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO GO FORWARD.

I THINK THAT WILL GO INTO THE SPECIAL LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

WE'LL SEE. THERE'S A LOT OF BILLS THAT WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS, PARTICULARLY ON VOUCHERS AND OTHERS.

BUT WHAT WE HAVE IS BASED UPON THE INPUTS FROM THE EXISTING TERS WHICH THE TERS HAS DONE WELL.

WAYNE, CORRECT ME, YOU HAVE $2.6 MILLION THAT'S CURRENTLY UNENCUMBERED IN YOUR TIFF.

AND SO YOU HAVE THIS EXPIRING.

WE DO HAVE THAT CLEAN UP ITEM.

SO WE'RE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL YEAR BECAUSE WE ARE JUST COLLECTING 29 YEARS.

BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE TIFF DOES IS ONCE YOU HAVE THAT, YOU ESTABLISH KIND OF THE ROADMAP AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, THE PROJECT COST OR THE ROADMAP.

AND SO BASED UPON THESE INPUTS, AND I WANT TO MAKE THIS CLEAR THAT THIS IS JUST AN ESTIMATE OF THE INCREMENTAL REVENUE OVER THE TERM.

SO WE HAVE COME UP WITH $62.2 MILLION.

SO THAT'S UNTIL 2040.

THAT'S BASED UPON THE GROWTH AND THE DEVELOPMENT ASSUMPTIONS.

THE TOTAL AMOUNT IS A CAP ON EXPENDITURES AND SHALL NOT BE EXCEEDED.

SO IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, ANY INCREASE WOULD REQUIRE A SEPARATE AMENDMENT TO THE PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN.

YOU'LL BE GOOD. MOST OF THE TIFFS THAT WE DO, YOU WANT TO BE AGGRESSIVE ON WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT ASSUMPTIONS YOU HAVE AND IF YOU HIT THAT, IT'S ALWAYS A NICE CONVERSATION TO HAVE IN TEN YEARS TO SAY, MAN, WE WERE SO SUCCESSFUL.

DO WE WANT TO SHUT THE TIFF DOWN OR DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND EXTEND IT FOR ANOTHER TEN YEARS AND INCREASE THAT CAP? BUT ONCE AGAIN, THESE DOLLARS ARE NOT THERE.

THESE ARE BASED UPON ASSUMPTIONS OF THAT INCREMENTAL GROWTH AND THE CATALYTIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM WAYNE.

SO WE ALSO LIKE TO TREAT THIS AS THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE UNDER CHAPTER 311 UNDER THE TEXAS TAX CODE, SAVINGS FROM ONE LINE ITEM CAN BE MOVED TO ANOTHER LINE ITEM, A COST INCREASE TO ANOTHER LINE ITEM.

SO INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS AS THEY MOVE FORWARD ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS WOULD MOVE WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 311 AND BROUGHT FORWARD TO THERE'S TWO MOTHER MY EYES HERE ONE TO THE TERS BOARD.

MOTHER, MAY I. OKAY.

I'M BUILDING AN APARTMENT PROJECT OR A RETAIL COMMERCIAL PROJECT.

I'M GOING TO GENERATE SO MUCH INCREMENT.

CAN I HAVE SOME OF THAT COME BACK TO ME AND FUND ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES? AND THEN THE TIFF BOARD MAKES A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN CITY COUNCIL HAS THE ULTIMATE FINAL AUTHORITY ON THAT.

SO THERE'S TWO MOTHER MAY EYES AS YOU KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BUT THIS GIVES YOU THE MENU OF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.

ONE THING WE'RE ADDING IN HERE, WHICH YOU DIDN'T YOU HAD IN YOUR OTHER PLAN, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A MORE OF A FOCUS IS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANTS.

SO NOT JUST PAYING FOR ROADS, WATER, SEWER, BUT YOU HAVE PROJECTS THAT MIGHT NOT FISCALLY BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.

THEY HAVE A GAP.

SO I ADMINISTERED THE DOWNTOWN FORT WORTH TIFF.

AND SO IF I WOULD HAVE HAD THIS BACK WHEN I WAS ADMINISTERING IT IN THE LATE 90S, I CAN ONLY PAY FOR OUTSIDE THE FOUR WALLS.

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I COULD NOT PARTICIPATE INSIDE A BUILDING, SO I WOULD DO CRAZY THINGS LIKE FACADE LEASES FOR 20 YEARS AND WE'D LEASE THE FACADE SO WE COULD JUST HELP THEM CLOSE THAT GAP FROM WHERE THEIR RENTS WERE AND FROM WHERE THEIR CONSTRUCTION COSTS WERE.

SO SUBJECT TO A YET TO BE NEGOTIATED SEPARATE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

WE HAVE HAD SOME VERY POSITIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH DENTON COUNTY, AND I THINK THAT'S A VERY POSITIVE THING MOVING FORWARD.

THEY WOULD PARTICIPATE.

THEY MAY PARTICIPATE IN THE EXISTING AND EXPANDED BOUNDARIES.

SO OUR NEXT STEPS ARE ON JUNE 6TH TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER THE AMENDMENT TO THE CREATION ORDINANCE.

ON JUNE 21ST, COME BACK TO THE BOARD.

WE HAD A VERY GOOD CONVERSATION WITH THE BOARD.

I THINK SOME OF THE INITIAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE ORIGINAL TERMS, WHICH IS A GREAT PLACE TO START, BUT THIS IS LOOKING AT SOME OF THE INITIAL POTENTIAL GROWTH CORRIDORS AND KIND OF OUTSHOOTS OF DOWNTOWN.

AND SO WE WOULD HAVE A FINAL THE BOARD WOULD KIND OF COALESCE AND BRING SOMETHING TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND APPROVE A FINAL PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN.

AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND I UNDERSTAND AFTER LEGAL LOOKED AT THIS, WE PROBABLY HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVING A FINAL PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN.

SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS A CLEANUP ITEM.

WE'RE EXPANDING THE BOUNDARIES.

WE'RE LOOKING AT NOT ONLY HAVING JUST WHAT YOU'VE HAD SINCE 2010, WHICH IS JUST GROWTH FOR GROWTH'S SAKE.

YOU HAVEN'T HAD ANY REAL CATALYTIC PROJECTS.

AND LOOKING AT TAKING SOME OF THOSE VACANT LANDS, THOSE UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTIES, HAVING INVESTMENT, AND THEN THEREFORE AND I THINK NATALIE PUT IT VERY WELL, IS THAT YOU HAVE PROJECT INCREMENT.

OKAY, SO YOU HAVE INCREMENT, YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THAT GENERATES INCREMENT, THAT BECOMES PROJECTS.

AND SO WE WANT TO WE HAVE THAT $62 MILLION, WE HOPE WE GET THERE, BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

BUT WE THINK THIS IS A TEMPLATE TO GET US THERE.

SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I KNOW NATALIE AND WAYNE ARE AS WELL.

YEAH. SO QUESTIONS.

AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT EARLY ON AND FORGIVE ME FOR BEING CURT, BUT I WANT TO GET OUT OF THE WAY.

I WOULD NEED A BETTER LOOK AT THIS TO EVALUATE.

AND HERE'S WHY.

AND I WAS LOOKING TO FIND THE MAP.

I CAN'T FIND IT WHEN IT WAS RENAMED, BUT YOUR MAP UP THERE, YOU LISTED AS AND THIS IS A LITTLE THING, BUT IT MATTERS TO ME, YOU ON THAT MAP YOU PUT UP, IT SAYS CIVIC CENTER PARK CIVIC CENTER PARK WAS RENAMED.

I BET YOU I COULDN'T FIND A MAP THAT SAYS DOESN'T SAY QUAKERTOWN PARK.

SO THAT TO ME IS A FOCUS AND IT'S AN ATTENTION TO DETAIL.

AND THEN ALSO, IT'S JUST IT LACKS SPECIFICITY.

EVERYTHING YOU'VE IDENTIFIED IS ALREADY BUILT OUT OR IN THE FLOODPLAIN, NOT ABLE TO BE BUILT OUT.

OR EVEN IF EVEN IF WE TOOK THE THE THE EVEN IF WE TOOK IT UNDERGROUND.

YOU CAN'T DEVELOP THERE.

IT'S NOT IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH.

IT'S RIGHT ON BELL AVENUE.

ALL THAT STUFF THERE THAT YOU'VE KIND OF IDENTIFIED.

SO FOR ME, I'M A NO BECAUSE YOU SOMEONE DIDN'T DO THEIR HOMEWORK.

SO JUST TO SAY I JUST I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'D ADD A BUNCH OF EXISTING STUFF AND SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO HAVE A CATALYST PROJECT.

SO AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL HANG UP AND LISTEN.

MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING.

COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER YEAH.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THE EXTENSION TO THE SOUTH.

DOES THAT COINCIDE WITH THE FOUR PROJECT AND IS THAT AND IS THE IS THAT ONE OF THE THOUGHTS? WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DETAIL OF EXACTLY WHAT YOU ENVISION IN TERMS OF PROPOSED PROJECTS, BUT IS IS THE DRAINAGE THAT'S KIND OF INDICATED THERE. IS THAT INTENDED TO ACHIEVE THAT? AND IS THAT DOES THAT DEFINE THE AREA THAT YOU'VE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING EXPANDING TO TO THE SOUTH? YES. SO THIS THIS PROJECT PLAN.

SO IF INITIALLY WHEN THIS PROJECT PLAN WAS CREATED, IT HAS A 30 YEAR TIMELINE.

THIS ONE HAS 17 YEARS.

SO THIS PROJECT PLAN IS LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE AND THE GOALS AND DESIRE OF WHAT WE WANT THE DISTRICT TO LOOK LIKE.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE IN THIS IN THIS PROJECT CATEGORIES, ONE THAT WE HAVE IS STORMWATER FACILITIES AND IMPROVEMENTS.

AND SO THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, A REASON WHY WE CHOSE THESE TYPES OF BUCKETS.

BUT ANY OF THESE FUNDS CAN GO FROM ONE BUCKET TO ANOTHER.

SO I KNOW THAT THE PAC FOUR IS IS UP FOR BOND IN THE SUMMER.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF THAT BOND PASSES, THEN ALL OF THAT TO THE SOUTH WOULD BE OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND WOULD BE RIPE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND WOULD BE GOOD CANDIDATES TO USE THE FUNDS AS THEY ARE HERE NOW.

HOWEVER, SHOULD THAT BOND NOT PASS, THIS IS THE WAY THAT THIS PROJECT PLAN IS SET UP IS WE COULD ROLL SOME OF THOSE DOLLARS OUT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANTS AND WE COULD PUT THOSE INTO THE STORMWATER FACILITIES IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF THE TOURIST BOARD AND THIS COUNCIL.

SO ONCE AGAIN, THIS THIS PROJECT IS IS LOOKING FAR INTO THE FUTURE AND IT IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR FUTURE, NOT AS IT AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS.

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CAN YOU REMIND ME HOW MUCH IS LEFT TO GET THIS AREA OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN? HOW MUCH IS LEFT IN THAT PROJECT? I KNOW SOME OF IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.

I'VE HEARD LAST YEAR WAS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 15 TO 23, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS COSTS.

BUT I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO I DON'T THINK STAFF ARE HERE.

CHRISTINE, ARE THEY HERE TO ANSWER THAT? AND HOW MUCH IS LEFT TO BRING OUT TO GET OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN? WE'LL GET THE ANSWER AND AND PROVIDE IT HERE HOPEFULLY SOON.

I WOULD SAY DIRECTIONALLY, IF WE IF IT'S IN THE CARDS TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, THIS I THINK DIRECTIONALLY THIS IS ALL ABOUT WHAT DENTON SHOULD BE DOING.

THE SALES TAX OPPORTUNITY AS AN IMPRESSION THAT HAVING DONE THE ANALYSIS, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE SALES TAX UPSIDE IN THE CITY SEEMS TO BE GREATER THAN THE, LET'S SAY, NON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAX.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S AN ENGINE THERE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE DESPITE BEING VERY CONSTRAINED, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT'S DEVELOPABLE RIGHT NOW AND THE AMOUNT OF THE DEVELOPABLE SPACE THAT'S VACANT AND DARK, YOU KNOW, THE DIRECTION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SPENDING IN DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, I THINK IS IS VERY FRUITFUL ONE FOR DENTON.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IF THE BOND.

IF THE BOND ISN'T GOING TO MAKE IT, IF IT'S CONCEIVABLE THAT THIS IS STILL A VIABLE PATH, MAYBE THE TIMING OF THIS SHOULD FALL AFTER WE KNOW WHETHER THE BOND MAKES IT OR NOT.

SO THOSE ARE QUESTIONS IN MY MIND.

I'LL LISTEN TO THE CONVERSATION IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE I THINK ONE OF THE MAYOR YOU HAD MENTIONED KIND OF THE ZONES THAT WE KIND OF LOOKED AT HERE. WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS THE EXISTING TIFF AND THE EXPANSION, WORKING WITH WAYNE OF PROJECTS THAT HE KNEW THAT WERE IN THE PIPELINE.

AND SO I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY DO WE HAVE THAT LIST OF PROJECTS WE CAN SHARE THAT WE CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOU, BUT PROJECTS THAT WAYNE HAS BEEN IN DISCUSSION AND THEY'RE GOING TO NEED SOME SORT OF ECONOMIC INCENTIVE HELP IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

SO I THINK THE AREAS THAT WERE CHOSEN AND NATALIE, PLEASE CHIME IN WITH THE OVERALL AREAS THAT YES, NOT EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THAT'S GOING TO BE INCLUDED, BUT I THINK THAT THE INTENT WAS TO KIND OF MATCH IT UP WITH WHAT THE DOWNTOWN WAS.

AND THAT'S THE BEST POTENTIAL TO HAVE GROWTH COMING INTO THE DOWNTOWN.

I COULDN'T AGREE MORE, BUT I BELIEVE FOR ME, THE HEARTBURN IS SO ALONG BELL AVENUE TO THE RIGHT YOU HAVE IT INDICATED AS COMMERCIAL THAT'S ALONG A HILL FOR THE TRAIN.

AND SO THE CITY OWNS THAT PROPERTY FOR SURE.

BUT IT'S IT'S THAT IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST OF BELL IS NOT EVER GOING TO DEVELOP BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH SPACE AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE TRAIN TRACKS.

BUT YOU HAVE IT MARKED AS COMMERCIAL BY BY POTENTIAL.

THEN YOU GO UP. MINGO AND WHERE EVERYONE PARKS FOR JAZZ FEST, YOU HAVE THAT IDENTIFIED AND THAT AGAIN IS UP AGAINST THE RAILROAD.

IT'S EMPTY FOR SURE.

NOW, I TAKE YOUR POINT IF YOU'RE TALKING LOWER ELM AND BUT BUT A LOT OF THIS STUFF, IT WOULD REQUIRE REDEVELOPMENT.

SO EVERYTHING NORTH OF THE RED LINE THERE IS ALREADY HAS APARTMENTS, ETCETERA, YOU KNOW, ACROSS FROM QUAKERTOWN PARK.

ALL THOSE ARE APARTMENTS AND OFFICES.

SO, YES, I'D LOVE TO KNOW IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO SELL IT, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, CASA OWNS THEIRS AND IT'S AND THEIR DEBT FREE.

SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE THEM SELLING.

I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT OFFICE SPACE GOING ANYWHERE.

THEN THE OTHER COMMERCIAL OR OTHER APARTMENTS.

AND AS PRICES GO THROUGH THE ROOF, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TURNOVER IN APARTMENTS IN THEIR CASH COW BECAUSE THEY'RE PAID FOR.

SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANYONE COMING IN PAYING WHAT THEY'D HAVE TO PAY TO THEN TRY TO REDEVELOP THAT.

AND SO I JUST WOULD NEED A CLEAR ROADMAP AS TO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ACHIEVE EITHER NEW DEVELOPMENT OR WHO'S BEEN TALKING TO? WHAT ABOUT SCRAPING A PIECE OF LAND? GREAT. I'D LOVE TO KNOW THAT.

BUT FOR WHAT I SEE IN MY ANALYSIS, LOOKING AT A GOOGLE MAPS, THE ONLY THING THAT'S AVAILABLE IS LOWER LOCUST ELM.

AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE ALL FULL AND YOU'D HAVE TO KNOCK SOMETHING DOWN OTHER THAN HOUSING AUTHORITY PROJECT PROPERTY THAT'S OPEN BY PACKAN SPACE.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS IS FULLY BAKED IN THE AREA YOU'VE IDENTIFIED.

SO YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT PROJECTS, SPECIFICS, WHAT'S GOING AWAY, WHAT'S COMING.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THIS FORMAT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, OUTSIDE OF THOSE KIND OF LEVELS, THAT LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY VERSUS THIS IS JUST VERY GENERAL TO ME.

NOW, I COULD BE ABSOLUTELY WRONG, BUT I THINK YOUR POINT IS REALLY WELL TAKEN.

I THINK IT'S MAYBE TO TAKE A STEP BACK AS TO WHY WOULD YOU EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES OF A TRS?

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WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF IT? WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF A PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN? I THINK LAYING THE GROUNDWORK, KIND OF TAKING SOME STEPS BACK TO A HIGH LEVEL.

SO WHENEVER YOU'RE LOOKING TO ESTABLISH THE BOUNDARIES OF A TRS, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR PROPERTY THAT IS SPECIFIC SPECIFICALLY, ESPECIALLY IN A DOWNTOWN. YOUR POINT MAYOR IS INCREDIBLY RIGHT ON POINT BECAUSE IT IS CHALLENGING TO DO TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ON A DOWNTOWN.

HOW DO YOU GENERATE INCREMENT IN A DOWNTOWN? I THINK YOU'VE SEEN SINCE THIS PLAN HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR SINCE 2010.

IS THAT RIGHT? IT HAS BEEN CHALLENGING TO REALLY INCREASE THE VALUE TO BEYOND JUST THAT ANNUAL APPRECIATION.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO CAST THAT NET TO EVEN TO CAPTURE EVEN THAT ORGANIC VALUE.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO CAST A WIDER NET SO THAT WE CAN GET TO THAT 62 MILLION IF WE KEEP THE BOUNDARIES AS THEY ARE, THAT NUMBER IS MUCH SMALLER.

THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR EVEN THAT INCREMENTAL GROWTH ARE MUCH SMALLER.

WE ARE ALSO LOOKING FOR NOT ONLY PROPERTIES THAT WILL MOVE THE NEEDLE, MAYBE THEY ARE ALREADY BUILT OUT.

HOWEVER, THE ONLY KIND OF DOWNSIDE TO INCLUDE PROPERTY IN A TRS IS IF YOU THINK THAT IT MIGHT ACTUALLY DECREASE IN VALUE.

SO IF THERE'S A PROPERTY THAT IS AT ITS PEAK, THEN IT MIGHT THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY, LET'S SAY, IF THERE'S AN ECONOMIC DOWNTURN THAN IF THE WHOLE BUILDING GOES VACANT, THEN YES, THAT PROPERTY VALUE WILL GO DOWN AND THAT COULD HURT YOU BECAUSE THE BASE VALUE WAS ESTABLISHED AT THE PEAK.

DOES EVERYONE FOLLOW ME ON THAT MINDSET? RIGHT. AND DAVID HAS A STORY IN DOWNTOWN FORT WORTH WHERE THERE WAS WAS IT THE TOWER BUILDING, THE BANK OF AMERICA BUILDING.

I WON'T ASK YOU TO SPEAK TO IT, BUT THAT WAS AN THAT WAS A, I GUESS, A LIABILITY IN THAT CASE BECAUSE THE PROPERTY, THE BUILDING GOT DESTROYED.

AND THEN WHEN IT WAS REASSESSED THE FOLLOWING YEAR, THE PROPERTY VALUE WAS MUCH LESS.

THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT WE RUN INTO QUITE OFTEN.

AND SO WHEN WE'RE CASTING THIS WIDER NET, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GIVING YOU MORE OPPORTUNITY TO DIVERT SOME OF THE FUNDS FROM THE GENERAL FUND INTO THE TERS FUND TO BE USED TO HELP GENERATE THAT INCREMENT.

I DO WANT TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PROJECTS VERSUS DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE I THINK THOSE TERMS CAN KIND OF BE USED INTERCHANGEABLY.

AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN, THEY'RE REALLY DIFFERENT.

AND SO THE PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN IS MEANT TO BE A GUIDING DOCUMENT TO THE BOARD AND TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND THAT DOCUMENT IS SUPPOSED TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND IS THIS PROJECT COST THAT IS BEING REQUESTED.

SO IT'S AN ALLOCATION.

THINK OF A PROJECT COST AS AN EXPENDITURE FOR THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CATALYTIC PROJECTS.

LET'S CALL THEM CATALYTIC DEVELOPMENTS, BECAUSE I THINK THOSE CAN BE CONFUSING SOMETIMES.

CATALYTIC DEVELOPMENTS ARE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO GENERATE INCREMENT, THAT'S IT'S GOING TO GENERATE REVENUE FOR THE TERS FUND.

AND THEN A PROJECT CAN ASK FOR PROJECT COSTS MONEY FROM THE TERS FUND.

AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE CATALYTIC DEVELOPMENTS, WAYNE HAS AND HIS TEAM HAVE IDENTIFIED CERTAIN PROJECTS OR SORRY, EVEN I GET CONFUSED.

CERTAIN DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE TERS THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING ARE GOING TO OCCUR.

AND THEN WHAT DAVID AND I DO IS AND WE FIGURE IF THAT CATALYTIC DEVELOPMENT WERE TO OCCUR, WHAT WOULD BE THE TAX REVENUE THAT WOULD BE GENERATED FROM THAT PROJECT OVER THE LIFE OF THE TERM? AND THEN WE SET THE CITY PARTICIPATION RATE.

SO LET'S JUST SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, WAYNE IDENTIFIED WAS IT A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, MAYBE.

DID WE INCLUDE THAT? YES.

YES. THERE'S IN THE BOUNDARY.

SO IF A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT OCCURS, THEN THAT'S GOING TO SAY HAVE A TAXABLE REVENUE OF $10 MILLION A YEAR.

LET'S JUST SAY LET'S JUST USE EASY MATH.

IF THE PARTICIPATION RATE WERE 50%, THEN 50% OF $10,000,005 MILLION WOULD GO INTO THE TERS FUND, THEN THAT TERS REVENUE, LET'S JUST SAY THAT ADDS TO THE 2 MILLION WAYNE ALREADY HAS IN THERE.

NOW WE HAVE $7 MILLION TOWARDS THAT 60 2 MILLION THAT WE'RE AIMING FOR, THAT $7 MILLION.

THEN THAT ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT COULD COME AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE HAVE A PROJECT, A TERS DEVELOPMENT AND WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST SOME FUNDS.

WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO REIMBURSE US FOR $500,000 OF THE WATER ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.

THEN AS THE TERS BOARD YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, WELL WE ALLOCATED 1.5 MILLION.

THAT'S LESS THAN 1.5 MILLION.

WE HAVE 500,000.

DO WE HAVE THE TERS FUNDS IN PLACE? YES, WE DO.

IS THIS THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT TO SEE OCCUR WITHIN OUR CITY? WITHIN THE TERS? YES OR NO? YOU HAVE THAT DISCRETION.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS DOCUMENT IS MEANT TO DO.

IT'S NOT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO INCLUDE IN THE PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO NEED $500,000 FOR WATER ON MAIN STREET.

WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO OCCUR IN THE FUTURE.

BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THESE ARE THE CATEGORIES THAT ARE ALLOWED BY STATUTE AND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE DISCRETION TO DISPERSE TERS REVENUE WITHIN THESE BUCKETS.

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I JUST WANT TO. YEAH, SORRY.

SO IN ADDITION EXCUSE ME.

SO IN ADDITION AS AS THIS, I'M PRETTY SURE COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT PLANNING IS WORKING ON A DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

SO THAT IS THE, THE OTHER IMPETUS FOR SETTING, SETTING THE DOWNTOWN UP FOR SUCCESS BECAUSE THIS WILL BE THE PRIMARY TOOL THAT WE CAN USE TO IMPLEMENT THAT DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

SO WHAT I'VE DONE IS I WENT AND LOOKED AND I LOOKED AT DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND WE ESSENTIALLY PUT IN, YOU KNOW, HEY, IF WE JUST DID, IF THE PRIVATE SECTOR CAME AND WE DIDN'T TOUCH IT AND THEY JUST CAME IN WITH MULTIFAMILY MARKET RATE HOUSING, HERE'S HERE'S WHAT WE THINK THAT REVENUE WOULD BE.

THIS PLAN ALLOWS US TO INCENTIVIZE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT AS PART OF THAT DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

SO WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES OR A PROPERTY OWNER COMES TO US, WE SAY WE HAVE THESE INCENTIVE FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT FITS OUR OUR DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

AND SO THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN WILL ALSO IDENTIFY AT LEAST FOUR CATALYST PROJECTS.

SO I'VE IDENTIFIED THE AREA THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN IS GOING TO IS GOING TO HELP FURTHER FLESH THAT OUT.

AND THIS THIS PLAN IS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING 17 YEARS OUT IN THE FUTURE.

THIS GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO TO EXECUTE ON THAT PLAN.

BUT IT STILL REQUIRES FINANCIAL ABOARD AND FUTURE CITY COUNCILS.

AND WHY NOT? I WANT TO ADD ONE JUST ONE MORE POINT IS WE'VE WORKED ON MOST OF THE DOWNTOWN.

THE STATE OF TEXAS.

AND IT'S NOT UNCOMMON THAT YOU HAVE TO REVISIT THESE BECAUSE YOUR CRYSTAL BALL CAN ONLY GO SO FAR.

RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.

AND SO WHEN THIS WAS PUT IN PLACE, I THINK IT WAS GREAT.

BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY TELLING THAT WE'RE 13 YEARS LATER AND THEN WE ONLY HAD ONE CATALYTIC PROJECT HAPPEN.

AND SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO CAST THE NET WIDER, AS NATALIE TALKS ABOUT, TO ENCOURAGE THAT DEVELOPMENT.

NOT EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THAT'S GOING TO BE OCCUR.

BUT THE OTHER KEY POINT HERE IS BECAUSE OF THESE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING, WE NOW HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE COUNTY COME TO THE TABLE, WHICH THE COUNTY IS PARTICIPATING IN OTHER DOWNTOWN TIFFS AND DENTON COUNTY, AND HAS EXPRESSED A WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH US HERE.

THAT'S OTHER DOLLARS THAT ARE GOING INTO THE TIFF TO HELP MAKE THE DOWNTOWN BETTER.

AND SO BECAUSE OF THESE DISCUSSIONS, WE'VE HAD VERY ROBUST AND FRUITFUL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW COULD THEY USE THEIR MONEY IN DOWNTOWN? AND SO I THINK THAT BUILDS UPON ITSELF FROM A CATALYTIC PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING FROM 2010 IS DOING THIS ALONE.

AND WHAT THIS HELPS IS ESTABLISH NOT ONLY A WIDER NET, BUT BRING IN ADDITIONAL PARTNERS TO THE TABLE.

OKAY? COUNCILMAN, WHAT'S.

WE DID HAVE A ROBUST CONVERSATION IN THE TOURIST BOARD.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WON'T REPEAT ALL MY COMMENTS.

OF COURSE, I WAS HERE WHEN THEY DID THE FIRST ONE.

BUT I GOT TO TELL YOU, IT'S A DISMAL FAILURE.

I MEAN, NUMBER ONE, WE DON'T HAVE PARTICIPATION FROM THE COUNTY.

SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE EXPANSION.

I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION IN A REASONABLE AND FACT BASED WAY.

AND LET ME TELL YOU. AND SO I WAS EXPECTING AND MAYBE THIS WAS MAYBE IN THE TIMELINE YOU CAN HELP SHARE WITH ME, BECAUSE WHEN WE HAD THE FIRST ONE, WE HAD THIS BREAKDOWN OF HERE'S WHAT WE THINK THE ENDOCRINE IS GOING TO BE, HERE'S WHAT WE THINK THE CATALYST OR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE.

AND IT'S ALL JUST KIND OF CRYSTAL BALL STUFF, BUT IT'S STILL SOMETHING YOU CAN LOOK AT.

AND SO AND SO THE 62 MILLION HERE THAT IS INCLUDING THE ORIGINAL TWO-YEAR INCREMENT, IS THAT CORRECT? I MEAN, THIS ISN'T 62 MILLION NEW DOLLARS ON THE EXPANSION.

OKAY. AND THAT'S SO IS THAT ASSUMING THAT THE TOURS CURRENTLY THE CURRENT TOURS REACHES ITS $24 MILLION, IS IT THE EXISTING TOURS HAD AN $81 MILLION PROJECT COST.

SO WHAT WE'VE DONE SO THEY WERE THEY WERE SAYING THAT THE TOURS WAS GOING TO GENERATE MORE WAS GOING TO GENERATE 81 MILLION.

SO BASICALLY THIS IS A REFRESH AND BASICALLY SAYING BASED UPON THESE ASSUMPTIONS, TWO THINGS.

LET ME LET ME FINISH SOME OF MY COMMENTS.

I'M SORRY. SO TO ME, THIS IS IT'S A LITTLE PREMATURE TO GIVE DIRECTION.

I AM GOING TO BE A HARD NO WITHOUT THE COUNTY INVOLVEMENT.

WE NEED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FIRST ONLY BECAUSE THIS WAS THE SAME ARGUMENT BACK THEN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AND IT'S THE SAME ONE NOW.

THIS IS ALL OUR OWN MONEY.

THE BOND PROGRAM FOR THE FOR.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IF IT FAILS, WE CANNOT BY LAW, I BELIEVE ISSUE COMES OR GOES, I THINK.

IS IT THREE YEARS, THREE YEARS TO ACCOMPLISH THAT? SO IF THAT FAILS, WE'RE SORT OF THREE YEARS OUT ANYWAY.

SO WHICH HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT WILL.

BUT THIS IS ALL OF OUR OWN MONEY.

SO WHEN I SEE THIS BOUNDARY EXPANSION, WHAT I'M SEEING IS AND I THINK YOU ALL WOULD ADMIT THIS, THAT RIGHT NOW THE CURRENT TOURS WE HAVE IS INADEQUATE.

[02:00:09]

IT'S REALLY IT'S REALLY NOT GOING TO WHETHER IT'S THE SIZE OR WHATEVER.

IT HAS NOT FUNCTIONED AND PERFORMED THE WAY EVERYBODY THOUGHT IT WOULD PERFORM AND FUNCTION.

SO WE'VE GOT THIS MONEY IN THERE SITTING THERE, $2.6 MILLION.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REPORTS OVER THE YEARS FROM THE TOURS BOARD, IT'S JUST ALL GRANTS.

YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S $200,000 WORTH OF GRANTS, WHICH AREN'T BAD, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING HERE.

WE'RE CONTEMPLATING THESE CATALYST PROJECTS OR THEY DID BACK THEN, YOU KNOW, SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO EXPANSION.

I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T HAVE NEAR ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION ON, BECAUSE IF ALL THIS IS IS A REVENUE GRAB SORT OF TEMPORARILY.

BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK ON THE WHEN I LOOK ON THE WEST SIDE OF CARROLL BOULEVARD, YOU'VE ONLY GOT FOUR PROPERTIES THERE THAT ARE EXPANDING THE BOUNDARY.

AND THAT'S I THINK IT'S RICHARD HAYES OFFICE.

YOU'VE GOT AN APARTMENT BUILDING, YOU'VE GOT A VAPE SHOP, YOU'VE GOT SOME OTHER ANOTHER OFFICE BUILDING THERE ON THE ON THE ON.

WELL, THOSE AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH OF THIS WE'RE ACTUALLY IN, INCLUDING IN THE EXPANSION TO REALLY JUST GAIN INCREMENT FOR THE TOURS. AND HOW MUCH IS IT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO CREATE SOME KIND OF SYNERGISTIC EFFORT DOWN IN OUR DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THE VALUE HAS DROPPED. ABSOLUTELY.

AND BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE SOLUTION BECAUSE IN SOME WAYS THIS TIES OUR HANDS MORE.

IF WE'RE IN IT ALONE, IF WE'RE IN IT ALONE, THEN THE ARGUMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHEN PROJECTS HAVE COME TO THE TERSE OR HAVE COME TO THE CITY, IF IT'S INSIDE THAT TOURS BOUNDARY, WHAT HAS BEEN THE ARGUMENT? WHY DO WE WANT TO SPEND GENERAL FUND MONEY ON A PROJECT THAT'S WITHIN A TOURS THAT IT WAS CREATED SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROJECT? AND I THINK ONE OF THEM IS THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM, BUT THAT CAN'T BE PAID OUT OF THE TOURS, I THINK, BECAUSE IT'S OPERATION MAINTENANCE.

YEAH, YEAH. SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE AND I DON'T HAVE NEAR THE NUMBERS THAT I'M GOING TO NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS GOOD.

WHEN WE'RE DRAWING A BIGGER CIRCLE TO SAY THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS ALL THE CITIZENS, IF WE DON'T GET THE COUNTY, THIS IS NOT A GOOD DECISION BECAUSE IT'S ALL OF OUR OWN MONEY.

THIS IS EXACTLY THE APPROACH WE TOOK LAST TIME.

NOT Y'ALL DIDN'T DO IT LAST TIME.

I'M JUST JUST IN ALL DISCLOSURE, I DIDN'T DO IT.

SO NOTHING AGAINST Y'ALL AND NOTHING AGAINST THEM.

IT'S THE THOUGHT PROCESS AND THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT JUST WERE NOT PLAUSIBLE.

AND WE'RE THE ONLY ONES DOING IT.

IT'S LIKE, WELL, I'M GOING TO SAVE MONEY IF WE WANT TO CREATE A SAVINGS ACCOUNT FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA, I GUESS WE CAN DO IT THIS WAY OR WE CAN MAKE A COMMITMENT IN THE BUDGETARY PROCESS. SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT MIGHT SOUND LIKE IT.

I'M NOT. BUT I DON'T SEE ANY DIFFERENT RATIONALIZATION FOR EXPANDING THIS THAN WHAT WAS USED TO CREATE THE ORIGINAL ONE.

AND THE ORIGINAL ONE HAS NOT REALLY WORKED.

I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A VACANT LOT, WE'VE GOT A VACANT BUILDING ON THE SQUARE WE'VE GOT.

SO ANYWAY, SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

JUST REAL QUICK, THIS IS ONE TOOL IN MY MIND.

TOURS ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN.

WHEN YOU HAVE A DOWNTOWN, THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR ME AND I'VE TOLD WAYNE THIS IS TO GET THE VACANT AREAS FILLED TO SEE A MORE VIBRANT DOWNTOWN.

BUT ANOTHER TOOL THAT YOU USE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHERE DOLLARS COME FROM AND IT IS IT'S OUR OWN MONEY, BUT IT'S IT'S AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE PROJECTS WILL BE BECAUSE THE WHOLE IDEA IS SOMETIMES YOU EXPAND THE TOURS TO ENCOMPASS THAT PROJECT.

WHEN I WAS IN AUSTIN, WE DID THAT TO REBUILD A STORMWATER FACILITY AND ON TOP OF THAT, THEN WE LOOKED AT RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.

BUT IT HAD TO EXPAND IT.

NOW THE COUNTY WAS INVOLVED AT THAT POINT AND WE HAD TO GO AND SIT DOWN WITH THEM TO ACTUALLY GET THEM ON BOARD SO WE COULD DO THAT AND EXPAND THAT.

I THINK WE NEED TO BE MORE CLEAR.

I THINK WE HAVE TO COME BACK WITH WHETHER THERE'S A YES OR A NO WITH THE COUNTY, BECAUSE I DO AGREE WE SHOULDN'T BE IN THIS ALONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY STAND ON THAT.

AND I ALSO THINK THIS IS ONE TOOL OF OF WHERE WE ARE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE VIBRANCY OF OUR DOWNTOWN.

AND I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND FILLING THOSE SPACES AND LOOKING AT NEW THINGS TO COME IN.

SO WE HAVE THOSE DOLLARS COMING IN WHEN WE HAVE MORE DOLLARS COMING IN AND THE TOWN IS THE DOWNTOWN IS MORE VIBRANT THAN SOME THINGS LIKE THIS MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE AND THINGS TURN OVER A LOT QUICKER.

SO WE MAY NEED TO COME BACK WITH A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.

I JUST WANTED TO.

GO AHEAD. YEAH, BUT WE'RE WE'RE UP AGAINST IT.

BUT GO RIGHT AHEAD. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION.

[02:05:01]

COUNCIL MEMBER WHAT'S ABOUT REVENUE GRAB? SO THIS THE NEW EXPANDED BOUNDARIES, THOSE THAT'S THAT BECOMES THE NEW BASE SO ALL OF ALL OF THE INCREMENT THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE THAT THAT REMAINS WITH THE GENERAL FUND. THE ONLY PIECE ON THOSE NEW EXPANDED PIECES DURING THE FINANCING, WE LOOKED AT ABOUT $3 MILLION IMPACT TO THE GENERAL FUND WITH WITH THE EXISTING PROPERTIES.

AND ONCE AGAIN, THE IDEA BEHIND THAT IS TO IS WHEN WE LOOKED AT THOSE, THOSE ARE COMMERCIAL OR EITHER UNDEVELOPED IS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME AND WANT TO REDEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT ONCE AGAIN.

NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE WOULD.

AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE MECHANICS OF GETTING THE COUNTY INVOLVED, BECAUSE THAT'S A COUPLE OF POINTS I WANTED TO ADDRESS WAS I THINK ONE WAS WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE ATTACHED TO THIS.

AND WE CAN WE CAN CERTAINLY CIRCULATE THAT.

AND WE PLANNED ON HAVING A ROBUST CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE'RE VERY THOUGHTFUL IN HOW WE DID THESE AREAS, BECAUSE AS WE GO CLOSER TO YOU AND TIE DOWN TO SOME OF THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE.

OKAY. AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN TO DATE, AND THIS IS COMING FROM A PERSON THAT'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR 28 YEARS, IS PUTTING $100,000 HERE AND $100,000 THERE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THOSE VACANT LAND.

YOU NEED THOSE CATALYTIC PROJECTS.

SO WE HAVE A LIST.

AND WAYNE, HOW MANY PROJECTS ARE ON THAT CATALYTIC LIST THAT WE WERE INCLUDING IN THIS? I THINK THERE WAS CLOSE TO 12, MAYBE EIGHT SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.

SO ON THE LIST WHAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A FEW PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY WITHIN THE BOUNDARY THAT THAT THERE ARE DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

WE HAVE SEEN THOSE PLANS AND THEN ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARY, THOSE ARE AREAS THAT I IDENTIFIED AS UNDEVELOPED AND AND COULD BE ONE OF THE FOUR CATALYST PROJECTS THAT WILL BE IDENTIFIED IN THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

SO THE IDEA BEING THAT IF WE JUST SAW MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND ALL OF THESE AREAS, NOTHING THAT I WOULD EVEN CALL A CATALYST PROJECT, THIS IS THE THE PROJECT COST THAT WE WOULD SEE.

ONCE AGAIN, THE IDEA BEING THAT WE TAKE THE INCREMENT AND WE INCENTIVIZE THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE'D LIKE TO SEE, SUCH AS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT WE GET MORE OF THAT COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING DOWNTOWN.

AND I DO WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE COUNTY.

SO I THINK THAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO SEE WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE.

OKAY. AND SHAME ON US FOR NOT HAVING THOSE PROJECTS, BECAUSE I THINK WAYNE CAN TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT EACH ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS AND WHERE THEY ARE AND WHY THEY ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING BOUNDARIES AND THOSE PROPOSED EXPANDED BOUNDARIES.

BUT THEN ALSO HAVING THAT PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN IS THE KEY COMPONENT THAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO SEE.

HOW DO YOU PLAN ON SPENDING THOSE DOLLARS? BECAUSE THEY HAVE VERY SPECIFIC WANTS AS WELL.

THE CAROL COURTS BUILDING, THAT'S WHAT I CALL IT WHEN I GREW UP HERE, THEY OWN THAT PROPERTY.

YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING HAS SOLD.

THOSE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO NEED SOME ASSISTANCE.

AND IF AND THE COUNTY IS VERY INTERESTED IN THOSE.

OKAY. SO I THINK ONCE WE DISTRIBUTE A PRELIMINARY PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WENT INTO IT AND NOT BEING A LAND GRAB BECAUSE IT IS UNDEVELOPED, VACANT PROPERTY OR UNDERDEVELOPED PROPERTY.

AND I WILL SAY THAT SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T EXCLUDE EVERYTHING BUT THE PROPERTY THAT HAS THE SMOKE SHOP THAT'S IN THERE AND IT'S PAYING ITS PROPERTY TAXES, IT'S NOT GOING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS HAVING THOSE FOUR TO POTENTIALLY EIGHT CATALYTIC PROJECTS OF CONVERTING A DOWNTOWN BUILDING.

SO IN FORT WORTH, WHAT CHANGED? IN DOWNTOWN FORT WORTH, WE HAD A TORNADO THAT HIT ONE OF OUR OFFICE BUILDINGS.

IT WAS CALLED BANK ONE.

AND WE CAME BACK IN.

WE USED TIFF AND WE CREATED THE FIRST CONDOS IN DOWNTOWN AND WE EXPLODED.

AND SO WE HAVE CLOSE TO 10,000 RESIDENTS NOW.

YOU NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE LIVING HERE TO HAVE A LIVE WORK PLAY.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO COME IN.

AND WHAT'S GOING TO FOLLOW IS A LITTLE BIT OF RETAIL, NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF RETAIL, BUT A LITTLE BIT OF RETAIL OFFICE.

I THINK YOU STILL HAVE IT'S A GREAT WALKABILITY, ALL THOSE URBAN DESIGN KIND OF THINGS.

SO I THINK YOU ALL NEED TO SEE THE PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN AND SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT KIND OF WENT INTO IT AND SOME OF THE THINKING THAT WENT BEHIND HOW WE KIND OF CAME UP WITH THE BOUNDARIES. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO WANT TO SEE AS WELL.

AND SO MAYBE WE'RE GETTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE BECAUSE OF THE THE BOUNDARIES.

BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THE BOUNDARIES IN PLACE BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT THE FINAL PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE ATTACHED TO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT OF HOW THE COUNTY MONEY IS GOING TO BE SPENT.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE INDICATED PARTICIPATING IN THE EXISTING AND THOSE EXPANDED BOUNDARIES, ONCE AGAIN, ALL SUBJECT TO NEGOTIATIONS.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THAT FINAL DOCUMENT BEFORE WE CAN DO THAT.

COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S. OH.

OH, I'M SORRY. COUNCILMAN. BYRD.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE.

HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK TO DO ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

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BUT I AM SPECIFICALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE BOUNDARIES FOR THE EASTERN.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT? THAT RIGHT THERE? I'M SPECIFICALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE BOUNDARIES ON THE EAST SIDE THERE.

I KNOW THAT ON DOWNTOWN'S SUPPOSED TO MOVE EASTWARD, BUT I ALSO DO KNOW THAT OVER ON SYCAMORE STREET, THIS IS WHAT MY ISSUE IS RIGHT HERE. SO I DO A LITTLE LESS TALKING.

THIS MAP IS SHOWING THAT THE AREAS AROUND SYCAMORE DOWN HERE WHERE THE RAILWAY AREA WAS.

YES, DOWN UP IN THAT AREA, UP ON INDUSTRIAL STREET, I THINK THAT'S EXPOSITION.

ALL OF THAT IS HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE PART OF SOUTHEAST DENTON IN THAT SOUTHEAST DENTON AREA PLAN.

AND SO MY CONCERN IS THAT WE ARE SHOWING THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT AREA UP THERE WHERE THIS NEW RAILWAY PROJECT IS GOING TO BE, WHICH BY THE WAY, IS MORE APARTMENTS, IS GOING TO COME UP THROUGH THERE.

IT'S SHOWING ON THAT SOUTHEAST AREA PLAN THAT THAT'S PART OF ALL OF THAT AS PART OF SOUTHEAST DENTON.

YES. AND SO THE CONCERN FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, IF IT'S SHOWING THAT THEY'RE LIVING, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT THAT AREA IS PART OF WHERE THEY LIVE, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE IT EXCEPTION, I'M ASSUMING THEY WILL THAT THE CHANGE IS THERE IS MOVING OVER INTO THEIR.

THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PROTECTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF SOUTHEAST DENTON.

AND THIS OVERLAP WITH THE DOWNTOWN VERSUS IS AT SOUTHEAST DENTON.

IS IT NOT DOWN THERE ON SYCAMORE? YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING SOUTH OF SYCAMORE AND OVER THERE EAST OF EXPOSITION.

YES, THERE WILL BE CONCERNED ABOUT GENTRIFICATION.

YES. SO THAT'S A THAT'S A WORD THAT WE NEED TO HAVE OUT THERE FOR THESE FOLKS OVER OVER IN THAT AREA.

I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS WILL MAKE THIS NEW DOWNTOWN BOUNDARY AREA LOOK MORE LIKE GENTRIFICATION BECAUSE NEW THINGS ARE COMING.

PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED VERSUS THEM KNOWING THAT WHAT YOU ARE, WHAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING IS REALLY IN DOWNTOWN VERSUS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT MIGHT BEING CLEAR IF EVERYBODY KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT.

SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE THINKING.

I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HELPING US IS THIS THE SOUTHEAST DENTON NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PLAN, THE AREA PLANS IS GOING TO HELP BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE A BETTER FINGER ON THE PULSE AS TO WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY WANTS TO SEE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S MISSING, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IN THE SOUTHEAST DENTON AREA IS YOU'VE GOT A FOOD DESERT.

YOU'VE GOT RETAIL.

OTHER THINGS DESERT, BASICALLY.

SO SO THERE'S TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS.

OH, THIS IS GOING TO EXPAND AND IT'S GOING TO TURN INTO A GENTRIFICATION.

GENTRIFICATION REALLY OCCURS WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN AND BUYING UP YOUR APARTMENTS AND YOUR HOUSES AND PUTTING IT MCMANSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTIN. AND SO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS THINK AHEAD, THINK FORWARD ABOUT HOW YOU WANT THAT COMMUNITY TO LOOK, THE FEEL THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE, AND DRIVE THAT BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN IF IT'S IN A TERS AREA, WHICH MEANS IF THAT EXPANDS THE BOUNDARY, IT CAN HELP THAT HAPPEN OF THE THINGS THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS.

BUT NOT NOT NECESSARILY IS IT GOING TO GENTRIFY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WE ARE NOT PROPOSING AN EXPANSION.

THIS IS THE CURRENT.

SO THE RED BOUNDARIES ARE THE CURRENT BOUNDARIES.

SO THAT'S THE CURRENT DOWNTOWN TERS.

SO THERE IS NO PROPOSAL TO EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES INTO.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE SOUTHEAST DIDN'T.

UM, PROPOSAL.

THE AREA PLAN IS SHOWING THAT IT'S IN THERE.

YEAH, THAT'S THE AREA PLAN.

YOU GUYS GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE AREA PLAN AND IT IS SPECIFICALLY AND I HAD A CONCERN ABOUT THIS LIKE, OKAY, SO ARE THESE APARTMENTS GOING TO BE IN SOUTHEASTERN OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE CONSIDERED IN DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THE AREA PLANS WAS SHOWING THAT IT WAS NOW WE COULD SAY WHAT IT IS, WHAT IT IS.

BUT IF THE.

OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH OF THAT THINK THAT.

NOW OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS GROWN OVER THERE, AND NOW WE HAVE ALL THESE BIG APARTMENTS AND ALL THIS OTHER NEW STUFF THEY'RE ENCROACHING IN OR THEY'RE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND.

AND JUST TO CITY MANAGER'S POINT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FOOD DESERTS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, IS THAT THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF AN INCENTIVE, IS WE GIVE THE INCENTIVE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT WE DESIRE.

WE DON'T JUST GIVE INCENTIVES TO DEVELOPMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT SAKE.

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AND SO THAT THAT IS PURPOSELY THE POINT OF THE TOOL IS TO SAY, WHAT DOES OUR COMMUNITY DESIRE? WHAT DOES THE CITY DOES DOWNTOWN DESIRE? WHAT DOES SOUTHEAST DENTON DESIRE FOR THIS LOCATION? AND THEN WE CAN USE THE TOURS AS A TOOL TO INCENTIVIZE THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT.

I UNDERSTAND WHY. AND I THINK THE OTHER THE KEY THING IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE THE EXISTING BOUNDARY.

AND I THINK WE ALL WE ALL KNOW THAT.

BUT WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE WE'RE PUTTING MONEY INTO A FUND THAT'S FOR THE ENTIRE AREA.

AND SO WHETHER DEVELOPMENT AND WE'RE CAPTURING IT AND WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE CATALYTIC PROJECTS THAT ARE THERE THAT THOSE DOLLARS CAN BE SPENT IN THAT AREA TO ADDRESS THE FOOD DESERT. SO THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS LIKE TO DO IS I LOVE A PROJECT THAT COMES FORWARD, DOESN'T WANT EVERYTHING, AND IT JUST WE WANT TO CLOSE THEIR INCENTIVE GAP TO MAKE THE INCENTIVE PROJECT OR THE CATALYTIC PROJECT HAPPEN.

BUT THEN YOU HAVE SOME MONEY LEFT, OVER SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS, SO YOU CAN ADDRESS A COMMUNITY WIDE NEED, LIKE A FOOD DESERT.

AND SO BASICALLY YOU'RE TAKING MONEY BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY SAYING IS THIS IS THE AREA WE'RE PUTTING IT INTO A FUND.

AND YOU GUYS, AS A POLICY MAKING BOARD AND THE FINAL DECIDER DECIDE WHERE THE DOLLARS ARE GOING.

AND SO WE CAN HAVE THESE CATALYTIC PROJECTS, WHICH I THINK IS THE REAL CHANGE IN THIS PLAN.

AND I THINK WE CAN GET INTO THOSE DETAILS TO COUNCIL MEMBER WHAT'S CONCERN AND TO THE MAYOR'S CONCERN IS GET INTO THOSE DETAILS OF HOW WE CAME UP WITH THIS PLAN AND THE THE INFORMATION THAT'S IN THERE AND THEN HOW WE WANT TO ALLOCATE THOSE DOLLARS, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO FUND A PROJECT, BUT IT'S GOING TO GENERATE INCREMENT.

OKAY. AND IF THERE'S AN APARTMENT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES GOOD, SOMETIMES BAD, BUT YOU INCENTIVIZE WHAT YOU WANT TO INCENTIVIZE.

OKAY. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE MAYOR PRO TEM.

SO, I. YEAH.

YEAH. AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE.

WE'RE ALREADY BEHIND THE FIRST TIME WE'RE BEHIND.

WE HAVE TO CLOSE SESSIONS.

JUST LETTING EVERYONE KNOW.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO ONE OF THE THINGS IT SEEMS LIKE IS WE'RE SETTING UP A FRAMEWORK TO PULL IN LEVERS TO DO ASPIRATIONAL DEVELOPMENT SO THAT WE CAN GET THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WE WANT IN A PARTICULAR AREA IF IT AND HELP IT MATERIALIZE IS SORT OF THAT'S.

YES. SO THERE'S TWO THERE'S DEVELOPMENT THAT'S JUST GOING TO HAPPEN.

RIGHT. AND THEN AND THEN THERE'S ALSO DEVELOPMENT THAT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN WITHOUT AN INCENTIVE.

SO THERE'S KIND OF TWO THINGS THERE.

SO IF THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALREADY GOING TO HAPPEN, WE CAN INCENTIVIZE IT TO TO MAKE IT TO SOMETHING MORE DESIRABLE, SUCH AS MIXED USE.

SO MORE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS, AFFORDABILITY, SUSTAINABILITY, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE COULD WE COULD PUT INTO A DEVELOPMENT.

THEN THERE'S ALSO A DEVELOPMENT THAT THESE VACANT PIECES LIKE ON THE SQUARE, THAT THERE'S A DESIRE FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN THERE, BUT THERE'S A FINANCIAL GAP AND WE JUST CAN'T MAKE THAT WORK. SO THIS ALSO ADDRESSES THAT AS WELL AS WHERE WE CAN INVEST IN THAT FINANCIAL GAP TO MAKE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN AS WELL.

OKAY. SO I THE OTHER COUNCILORS HAVE ASKED A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS, SO I WON'T REPEAT THEM, BUT A COUPLE OF THEM THAT I WANT TO EXPAND UPON, I THINK NEED A LITTLE MORE WORK IS.

WHAT? IF WE GUESS WRONG AND WHETHER WE LEAVE IT ALONE OR EXPAND INTO THE TERRITORY IF WE GUESS WRONG.

AND THEN WHAT IS THE HARM TO THE CITY FROM THE EXPANSION OR THE CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT OF EITHER WHETHER WE EXPAND OR NOT, WHAT IS THE HARM OF TO THE CITY IS IN TERMS OF REVENUE AND TAX BASE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME GROWTH.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SORT OF A BASELINE INCREASE THAT'S MAYBE AT WORST TEPID.

IS THAT RIGHT? AND POSSIBLY VERY LARGE.

IS THAT IS THAT SORT OF THE RANGE I'M LOOKING AT? YEAH. SO WE DON'T HAVE A NEGATIVE LOSS UNLESS WE HAVE A QUESTION, BECAUSE THAT IS WHY I LOVE THIS TOOL.

THERE IS NO RISK TO YOU.

THERE IS THERE COULD BE ARGUED THAT THERE'S A YOU'RE TYING YOUR HANDS, BUT LET'S JUST SAY YOU PUT THE MONEY IN THE FUND.

YOU DON'T NOTHING.

LET'S JUST SAY WE'RE WRONG AND NOTHING HAPPENS EXCEPT A SMALL AMOUNT OF GROWTH.

EVERY YEAR THE MONEY GOES INTO THE FUND.

NOBODY ASKS FOR THE MONEY.

YOU DON'T COME UP WITH ANY PROJECTS.

WAYNE WINS, THE LOTTERY, MOVES TO HAWAII.

THE MONEY JUST STAYS IN THE FUND.

AND THEN AT THE END OF THE TERM, THE MONEY GETS DISTRIBUTED BACK TO THE ENTITIES IN PROPORTION TO HOW THEY WERE.

DEPOSITED IN. SO IF THE CITY IS THE ONLY PERSON, IN ESSENCE YOU JUST PUT THE MONEY IN A LITTLE SAVINGS ACCOUNT AND THEN IT GETS RETURNED TO YOU AT THE END OF THE TERM, OR IF THERE'S MONEY IN THE FUND, YOU DETERMINE, WE DON'T LIKE THIS TOOL, WE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING.

THE TOUR'S BOARD AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO TERMINATE THE TOURS.

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THE MONEY GOES BACK TO THE CITY AND WALK AWAY.

SO. THERE IS NOT A DOWNSIDE VERSUS NOT HAVING THE TOURS.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO.

IS THERE HARM FROM.

I DON'T I DON'T SEE ANY HARM, BUT I DON'T HARM I THINK I THINK WE'VE HEARD FROM COUNSEL THAT YOU NEED MORE. AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.

WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU ON.

JUNE 27TH.

AND WE'LL DO THAT. WE'LL HAVE MORE FOR YOU.

ALL RIGHT. YES.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

SO BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT.

BUT ANY, DOES IT HELP TO HAVE QUESTIONS TODAY WITH RESPECT TO THAT OR DO YOU WANT TO EMAIL EMAILED IN? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO NOTE THOSE.

SO WHEN YOU COME BACK YOU HAVE THEM.

SO MAYOR, I TOOK FINANCING PROGRAM PLANS, COUNTY STATUS.

WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? SOME MORE CLARITY FROM WHAT THE MAYOR PRO TEM JUST ASK AND THEN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEND THEM TO TO ME AND I'LL GET THEM TO WAYNE.

OKAY. VERY GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, COUNCILWOMAN ESSER.

YEAH. JUST LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT THE SEQUENCE THAT WOULD BE MOST HELPFUL WOULD BE IF WE, IF WE DO THE DOWNTOWN AREA PLAN PROCESS FIRST, DEVELOP THAT VISION TO DEVELOP THE CONCEPTS TO, AS THE MAYOR RIGHTLY SUGGESTS, LIKE KIND OF GET SOME REALISM INTO THE PROJECTS.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVEN PLAUSIBLE THAT YOU WOULD WANT THE COUNTY OR SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNTY TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROCESS.

SO THEY BUY INTO THE VISION.

AND THEN YOU SAY, ONCE WE'VE GOT THAT, WE'VE GOT A COMPELLING VISION WITH REALISTIC PROJECTS TO SAY, OKAY, HOW WOULD YOU FUND THAT? HOW MUCH OF THIS COULD YOU FUND IF WE WERE GOING IT ALONE, HOW MUCH COULD YOU FUND IF THE COUNTY WERE IN ON IT? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? DEVELOP THE VISION FIRST AND THE BUY IN AND THEN SHOW US, OKAY, HERE'S HOW YOU COULD FUND IT.

MAKE SENSE. OKAY. ANY OTHER NOTES? SEEING NONE. GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM C ID 23215 RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION.

[C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on pending City Council requests for: (1) Request for a work session to discuss the possibility of making Election Day a municipal holiday. (2). Request for adoption of ordinance and 60-Day Implementation Plan for Proposition B (Chapter 21.V). [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON PENDING CITY COUNCIL REQUESTS.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

JENNIFER RANEY, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

THIS IS A WORK SESSION PROCESS.

UP TO SEVEN REQUESTS WILL BE REVIEWED PER MEETING.

STAFF WILL INTRODUCE EACH REQUEST.

THE REQUESTER WILL HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES TO DESCRIBE AND JUSTIFY THEIR REQUEST, AND THEN THE REMAINING ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE UP TO ONE MINUTE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND INDICATE THEIR SUPPORT LEVEL.

STAFF WILL THEN RESPOND TO ALL REQUESTS WHERE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED.

THE AGENDA COMMITTEE WILL THEN ASSIST IN SCHEDULING THOSE ITEMS, RECEIVING CONSENSUS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ABLE TO NOTE AND OFFER THEIR PRIORITY LEVEL OF SUPPORT OF AN ITEM WITH HIGH, MODERATE OR LOW.

WE HAVE TWO REQUESTS TODAY.

THE FIRST IS A REQUEST FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE A REQUEST FOR WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF MAKING ELECTION DAY A MUNICIPAL HOLIDAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER JESSE.

DO YOU HAVE THE TIME OR DO I? ALL RIGHT, I GOT IT.

LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY. AFTER THAT.

ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU, SIR. FELLOW MEMBERS, I RISE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ME.

AND PERHAPS IT'S FITTING THAT THIS IS COMING TODAY.

RIGHT AFTER WE JUST HEARD THE COMP STUDY, WE HEARD A VERY IMPASSIONED SPEECH BY OUR CITY MANAGER ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN OFFER OUR EMPLOYEES THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY WOULD GET ELSEWHERE. WELL, I BELIEVE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD SET US APART FROM OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.

ALL OF US GOT HERE BECAUSE WE WERE ELECTED.

THE CITY OF DENTON HAS ROUGHLY 1800 EMPLOYEES, BUT I ROCK WITH A LOT OF THESE EMPLOYEES.

AND AS WE ARE IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THE COUNTY HAS CONTINUED TO RESTRICT VOTING HOURS, WHERE NOW MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8 TO 5, A LOT OF FOLKS CAN'T MAKE THAT.

I, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS NOT ABLE TO VOTE EARLY VOTING WHEN I WAS ON THE BALLOT LAST YEAR MYSELF BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE ME WORK FOR A LIVING.

THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO GIVE OUR 1800 EMPLOYEES AN ADVANTAGE OVER OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AND ALLOW THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE.

VOTING IS IMPORTANT.

THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT DEMOCRACY.

THIS IS ALSO ABOUT APPEARANCES.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ONLY LEAD THE CITY AND AFFIRMING THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS ORGANIZATION BELIEVES VOTING IS IMPORTANT.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEAD THE STATE HERE AND DO SOMETHING THAT WE ALL, I AM SURE, FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT.

LET'S SEND A MESSAGE TO OUR EMPLOYEES THAT WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE.

I ALSO APPRECIATE THE CITY MANAGER LETTING LETTING ME KNOW THAT THE CITY OF DENTON IS ACTUALLY BEHIND A NUMBER OF PAID HOLIDAYS THAT WE OFFER OUR STAFF.

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THIS IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND BE FIRST.

AND THE VERY LAST THING I WILL ADD IS THAT THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY A POLITICAL POLITICAL THING.

THIS IS JUST THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

WE WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE POLLS.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, SOME CITY STAFF HAVE INFORMED ME THAT THEY WOULD USE THIS OPPORTUNITY AS A PAID HOLIDAY TO NOT ONLY VOTE, BUT MANY OF THEM HAVE EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO GO AND VOLUNTEER FOR THE COUNTY IN THE ELECTION PROCESSES.

RIGHT. WE HAVE CITY FACILITIES ALL OVER THE CITY.

CITY FACILITIES THAT ARE CLOSED COULD THEN BECOME POLLING LOCATIONS IF WE SO DESIRE.

THIS GIVES US SOME FLEXIBILITY AND FREEDOM, AND I BELIEVE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ALL PUT A MEDIUM PRIORITY ON THIS.

I DON'T ENVISION A LONG WORK SESSION ON THIS.

UM. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH, I THINK THE.

THE PRIORITY THAT WE PUT ON VOTING AND THE ABILITY FOR FOLKS THAT UNDERSTAND GOVERNMENT TO HELP PROMOTE THAT VOTING PROCESS, THEY ALREADY UNDERSTAND THE INS AND OUTS. I THINK THIS IS SORT OF A NO BRAINER.

IT DOVETAILS WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT AREAS AND IT REALLY STRESSES THE PRIORITIES.

SO I FULLY SUPPORT THIS AT A MEDIUM OR BETTER PRIORITY.

ABSOLUTELY, YES.

ANYONE ELSE? MACK BYRD.

AND THEN MELTZER. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A TOPIC, A SUBJECT MATTER THAT HAS BEEN LONG.

WE NEEDED TO DO THIS A LONG TIME AGO.

YOU KNOW, BACK FROM THE 60S WHERE IT JUST MAKES AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE.

SO I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS.

I'M GLAD THAT THIS SUBJECT MATTER IS FINALLY COME UP.

COUNCIL MEMBER. ESSER. YEAH, I SUPPORT THIS MEDIUM PRIORITY.

GOOD IDEA. ANYONE ELSE.

COUNCILMAN HOLLAND. THE.

I JUST I JUST LIVED THIS JUST VERY, VERY RECENTLY LIVED THIS.

THERE'S NINE DAYS OF EARLY VOTING PRIOR TO ELECTION DAY.

AND I SHOULD REMEMBER THIS.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE SATURDAY VOTING IS.

I THINK IT'S TILL FIVE.

IT MIGHT BE TILL 7:00 THE SUNDAY NOON TO FIVE, MONDAY AND TUESDAY, BUT PRECEDING THE ELECTION IS 7 TO 7.

I THINK THAT'S ADEQUATE TIME.

I MIGHT CONSIDER THAT THE CITY COUNCIL NOT MEET THE TUESDAY BEFORE AN ELECTION DAY.

MAYBE, MAYBE THAT DAY COULD BE MOVED AROUND.

BUT. BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THE MEASURE.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR COUNCILWOMAN, I'M I'M NEUTRAL ON THIS.

IT'S GOING TO BE A WORK SESSION, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE DIRECTION AGAIN ANYWAY.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH.

OKAY. YEAH.

NO, I'LL SAY I'LL RESERVE MY COMMENTS FOR THE WORK SESSION FOR THE SAKE OF TIME.

TAKES US TO OUR NEXT ONE.

ALL RIGHT. OUR SECOND ITEM IS A REQUEST FOR ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE IN 60 GAY IMPLEMENTATION IMPLEMENTATION PLAN FOR PROPOSITION B, AND THIS IS FROM MAYOR PRO TEM BECK.

READY? YEAH.

I BROUGHT THIS BACK IN NOVEMBER ON THE 21ST.

I ASKED THAT THAT WE AS A COUNCIL ADOPT THE WILL OF THE VOTERS.

THAT WAS IN NOVEMBER.

WE JUST HAD ANOTHER ELECTION WHERE THIS FIGURED PROMINENTLY IN THE ELECTION.

I'M ONCE AGAIN ASKING US TO REINFORCE THE WILL OF THE VOTERS AFTER TWO ELECTIONS.

NOW TO IMPLEMENT THIS, OUR 21, CHAPTER 21 V AS AS WRITTEN AND PUT THE POWER OF COUNCIL ALSO BEHIND IT FOR REASONS THAT THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THE VARIOUS FINANCIAL OPTIONS ON THAT.

BUT THE THE POINT IS TO START NOW TO IMPLEMENT IT NOW AND THEN THE REASON I ASK FOR AN ADDITIONAL 60 DAY IMPLEMENTATION PERIOD IS THAT GIVES STAFF TIME TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT IT NOW AND IF THEY HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT WOULD FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE VOTERS AND BETTER CODIFY IT, DO A BETTER JOB THAN THE ORDINANCE, BUT STILL FOLLOW THE INTENT OF THE VOTERS AFTER TWO ELECTIONS, THEN THAT GIVES YOU TIME TO TO MAKE RED LINE CHANGES TO THAT IN ADDITION AS PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

SO I'M ASKING THAT WE APPROVE THIS AT THE VERY NEXT MEETING AND THEN WORK ON A 60 DAY IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN MELTZER.

YES. THANK YOU.

I THINK IT'S. IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THE VOTERS WANT US TO MOVE FORWARD.

I THINK WE HAVE TO MOVE FROM YES VERSUS NO TO HOW.

AND WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO HAVE FACED THIS.

KILLEEN, HARKER HEIGHTS, ELGIN, SAN MARCOS AND AUSTIN.

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THEY ALL HAVE CITY ATTORNEYS.

THEY ALL HAVE CITY MANAGERS. THEY ALL HAVE POLICE CHIEFS.

THEY'VE PROBABLY MADE SOME MISTAKES.

THEY PROBABLY FOUND SOME THINGS THAT WILL WORK.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE I REALLY EARNESTLY HOPE WE WILL REACH OUT TO ALL OF THE PEER FUNCTIONS TO FIND HOW WE CAN DO DO THE WILL OF THE VOTERS WITHIN STATE LAW.

I THINK THAT'S THE KEY.

I HAVE LISTENED TO A SESSION WHERE THE POLICE CHIEF IN KILLEEN WAS REVIEWING THEIR PROGRESS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL THERE, AND THE MAYOR ASKED IF HE WAS VIOLATING STATE LAW AND HE SAID NO.

AND HE ALSO SAID HE WAS IMPROVING THEIR POLICING.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S I'M ALL FOR USING EVERY BIT OF THE 60 DAYS.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN. BYRD. I'M JUST GOING TO NOTE THAT I'M IN AGREEMENT.

I THINK THAT FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS SET UP THIS THIS PROPOSITION FOR US TO JUST DIVE INTO IT AND FIND OUT IF THERE'S ANY ANY INKLING.

I REMEMBER HIM SAYING THAT WE NEEDED TO JUST TRY ONE MORE TIME BECAUSE I REMEMBER ME SITTING HERE SAYING, WELL, IT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID.

BUT WITH ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, YES, LET'S JUST TRY IT ONE MORE TIME.

LET'S GO FOR IT. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? UH COUNCIL MEMBER.

MCGEE. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, I'M GOING TO PICK UP RIGHT WHERE YOU LEFT OFF.

MRS BYRD. YEAH, I REMEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS SAYING, LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO.

I OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT THIS FROM THE BEGINNING.

I SUPPORT IT NOW.

I WANT TO THANK MAYOR PRO TEM FOR THE ADDITIONAL 60 DAYS.

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO GIVE CITY ATTORNEY TIME TO PULL OUT THE BIG RED MARKER THAT OUR TEACHERS USED TO USE ON US.

AND WE TURN THEM PAPERS IN SCHOOL AND PUT LINES THROUGH EVERYTHING WE CAN'T DO AND THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, IN PARTICULAR, THE THE ONE CONCERN I HAVE IS ATTEMPTING TO HOLD OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOT FOLLOWING THIS.

I JUST WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD AND SAY I AM NOT FOR THAT.

I THINK OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT DOES A GREAT JOB AND I WANT THOSE FOLKS TO FOLLOW THE LAW.

BUT I AM FOR THIS.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

THE VOTERS ASKED US TO DO THIS.

IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

70% OF DENTON DOESN'T SPEAK TOO OFTEN ON ANYTHING, BUT THEY SPOKE ON THIS.

THANK YOU, MISTER MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND, THANK YOU.

ABOUT FOUR HOURS AGO, ALL OF YOU SAW ME RAISE MY HAND AND SWEAR THAT I WOULD PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE LAWS AND THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THIS STATE.

THIS IS AGAINST THE LAW OF THIS STATE.

I'M ASTOUNDED THAT IT THAT IT EVER GOT THIS FAR.

QUITE HONESTLY, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE PARTICULARLY OFFENSIVE TO ME ABOUT THIS IS THAT 2185, WE PUNISH THE POLICE. WE PUNISH THE POLICE FOR NOT FOLLOWING THIS.

THAT IS ASTOUNDING TO ME.

SECONDLY, AND SLIGHTLY LESS MORE OFFENSIVE IS THAT THAT 2186 INSTRUCTS THE CITY MANAGER TO MONITOR THE POLICE, I THINK THREE TIMES A YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THEIR UN TRAINING, POLICE OFFICERS THAT HAVE SWORN TO PROTECT US.

I THINK IT WAS BAD WHEN IT WAS CONCEIVED.

I THINK IT'S WORSE NOW.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN WATTS YEAH.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT COMMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT WHAT'S CAUSED THE ELECTION AND NOT IF WE'RE THROWING OUT OPINIONS ON WHAT CREATED OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE.

WHEN YOU REDISTRICT OUT TWO PRECINCTS THAT HAVE VOTED AGAINST YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER AND ROBSON RANCH TO THE TUNE OF 1000 OR 1500 VOTES.

WHEN YOU STRIP OUT OPPOSITION TO VOTING POOL, YOU CAN CHANGE ELECTIONS.

SO THAT'S MY OPINION.

Y'ALL HAVE YOUR OPINION.

SO NOW WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON SOMETHING AND APPROVE IT AS IT'S WRITTEN AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM IMPLEMENTING THIS ORDINANCE TO THE FULL EXTENT WITHIN THE LAW.

NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER.

IT SEEMS THE BIG QUESTION IS WHAT DO WE BELIEVE THAT TERM MEANS? SO I'M GOING TO SAVE MY COMMENTS AND MY QUESTIONS, VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT ARE WHAT ARE EACH OF OUR INTENTIONS IN PASSING THIS? IF IT PASSES, GIVING DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER TO DO WHAT? SO JUST BE THINKING ABOUT THAT.

SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DOING WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND TELL OUR POLICE OFFICERS HOW TO DO THEIR JOB.

SO BUT THAT'S NOT THE WILL OF THE VOTERS.

THE VOTERS VOTED, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD HERE.

THAT'S YOUR TIME. ALL RIGHT.

SORRY. THANK YOU.

YOU BET. AND SO, AGAIN, SO I SUPPORT AGAIN WITH THE VOTERS HAVE VOTED ON.

THAT'S WITHIN THE LAW.

I'M GOING TO TOUCH ON THESE THINGS FOR THE FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG.

UNDERSTAND EVERYONE HERE, JUST THREE OF US.

FOUR OF US JUST TOOK AN OATH OF OFFICE, THREE OF US OR WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS.

AND AND I THINK THIS ASK VIOLATES THAT.

BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYONE GET AROUND THIS AND HERE AND SO WHEREVER YOU FALL ON STATE LAW SECTION 2.10 COUNSEL NOT TO INTERFERE

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IN THE APPOINTMENTS OR REMOVALS, NEITHER THE COUNCIL NOR ANY OF ITS MEMBERS SHALL DIRECT OR REQUEST THE APPOINTMENT OF ANY PERSON TO OR HIS OR HER REMOVAL FROM OFFICE BY THE OFFICER, BY THE CITY COUNCIL UNDER SECTION 2.08.

AND IT GOES ON TO SAY BASICALLY IT'S A SEPARATION OF POWER CLAUSE IN OUR CITY ORDINANCE.

SO THE SAME CHARTER, THE SAME CHARTER THAT GAVE THEM THE RIGHT TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT IS THE SAME CHARTER THAT SAYS WE SHALL NOT INTERFERE WITH THE COUNCIL, THE DIRECT REPORTS TO THE CITY MANAGER.

AND SO EVERYONE WOULD PUSH THAT WE VIOLATE OUR CHARTER.

I PRESUME THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING A WORK SESSION.

SO THERE YOU HAVE IT.

PEOPLE CAN READ THAT FOR THEMSELVES AND DIGEST THIS INFORMATION, BUT YOU DO HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER BRICK COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER AND BYRD THAT SUPPORT A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS THE WHAT THE FURTHER TO VOTE.

THAT'S THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S IN THE ITEM, SIR.

YEAH, IT'S A VOTE. OKAY.

WELL, AND THEN BUT THAT TAKES US TO THE NEXT STEP.

SO THERE'S FOUR PEOPLE IN SUPPORT RIGHT IN WHAT'S WRITTEN HERE, AS IT SAYS THE NEXT MEETING.

AM I RIGHT? YES, SIR.

AND SO? SO IT'S NOT A WORK SESSION.

AM I RIGHT? I ASK FOR A VOTE AFTER DIRECTION WAS GIVEN.

THAT'S WHAT I ASKED.

SO SIMPLY.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A WORK SESSION THING OR A CALENDAR.

IT WOULD BE YOU CAN PUT IT ON, PUT IT ON CONSENT AND THEY CAN AND SOMEONE CAN PULL IT.

OH, AND, MAYOR, ARE WE SHOOTING FOR THE NEXT MEETING? SURE. YEAH. IF IT'S NOT A WORK SESSION, IF WE'RE NOT HAVING A DISCUSSION, THEN PUT IT ON THERE AND SOMEONE CAN PULL IT IF THEY DON'T WANT IT ON CONSENT.

AND AS AS AND THIS IS AS IT'S WRITTEN.

SO ALL THE CLAUSES INTACT AS THE VOTERS VOTED ON IT, THAT'S WHAT'S COMING BEFORE US TO RATIFY.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MCGEE.

UM, MR. MAYOR, THE THE CITY.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY INTEND TO COME BACK WITH US IN 60 DAYS AND UNDER 60 DAYS ABOUT AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

NO, IT WILL BE RATIFIED AT THE NEXT MEETING.

PER YOUR SUPPORT.

PER HIS REQUEST.

PER WHAT? HE JUST OUT.

MR. MAYOR, THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED.

I SAID THAT THE CITY, THE CITY ATTORNEY INTEND TO COME BACK TO US AS THIS IS PASSED WITHIN 60 DAYS ABOUT AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

OKAY. I'M GOING TO I THINK WE'RE BEYOND I THINK YOU DIDN'T ALLOW COMMENT PRIOR TO THE TWO MINUTE PITCH, BUT I THINK WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF COMMENT AFTER EVERYBODY'S HAD THEIR SAY.

SO I THINK THE PITCH IS THE PITCH, THE 4%.

SO I KNOW. YEAH, YEAH.

THE VOTE WILL BE THE VOTE.

THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO LET ME GET THE LANGUAGE FOR CLOSED SESSION.

[1. Closed Meeting:]

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

UM, LET ME GET THERE.

THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW, AT 4:41 P.M.

CONVENE AND CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE.

THE CLOSED MEETING ITEMS SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING ITEM B ID 231039 CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS ON THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.071 AND C ID 2310420.

CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071.

WE'LL SET THE ROOM AND THEN WE'LL GET STARTED.

ERIC. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

[AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED:]

IT IS 630 AND TODAY IS TUESDAY, MAY 16TH.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS PLEDGES TO THE UNITED STATES AND TEXAS FLAG.

PLEASE STAND WITH ME AND JOIN US IF YOU'RE ABLE.

PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD.

INDIVISIBLE. WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE.

TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE A FEW PROCLAMATIONS, SO I'LL COME DOWN FOR THOSE.

ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST IS MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS MONTH.

[A. Proclamation: Mental Health Awareness Month]

NOT SURE IF ANYONE'S HERE TO RECEIVE IT.

WE'LL GET IT TO THEM, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE, JUST IN CASE SOMEONE DIDN'T SCHEDULE FREED UP.

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GREAT. THEY HAD TO BE IN TWO PLACES AT ONCE.

THEY SENT THEIR APOLOGIES, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE RECOGNIZE THEM.

AND BEFORE I DO THAT, I HAVE SOME OTHER STUFF I GOT TO TAKE CARE OF.

ONE SECOND. ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO.

I'LL JUST TAKE IT. OKAY.

SO I GOT TO I GOT TO TAKE CARE OF MY FOLKS THAT COME TO COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT DON'T HAVE TO.

HERE YOU GO. HOW ABOUT THAT? YOU WANT TO PICK ONE? HE'S GOT THE BLINKY RINGS.

YOU GOT TO PUSH THE BOTTOM TWO TO TURN IT ON.

THERE YOU GO. AND THEN I SAW.

THERE YOU ARE. WHAT DO YOU THINK? YOU CAN PICK ANY ONE YOU WANT.

SO THAT'S JUST. THAT'S LIKE AN ELEPHANT.

AND THESE, LIKE, LIGHT UP.

YOU GOOD WITH THAT? WHAT DO YOU THINK? HERE, TAKE BOTH, JUST IN CASE.

HERE YOU GO. THERE WE GO.

OKAY. AND THEY GOT HIM UP THERE.

OKAY, GOOD, GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. YOU GOT TO YOU GOT TO MAKE SURE I MAKE SURE I TAKE CARE OF FOLKS THAT THAT COME AND DON'T HAVE TO.

ALL RIGHT. AWESOME, AWESOME, AWESOME.

OKAY. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

IT MEANS A LOT AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALL PARTICIPATING IN THE PROCESS.

WE ALWAYS WANT TO BE BE MINDFUL OF THAT.

SO THIS IS A PROCLAMATION AGAIN FOR MENTAL MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS AWARENESS MONTH.

AND IT SAYS A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME GREETINGS.

WHEREAS ADDRESSING THE COMPLEX MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS OF CHILDREN, YOUTH AND FAMILIES TODAY IS A FUNDAMENTAL.

IT'S FUNDAMENTAL TO THE FUTURE OF THE CITY OF DENTON.

AND. WHEREAS, ONE OF THE FIVE ADULTS, 1 IN 5 ADULTS, HAS A DIAGNOSABLE MENTAL HEALTH CONDITION AND HALF OF DENTON COUNTY PARENTS ARE NOT NOT FAMILIAR WITH MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES IN THEIR COMMUNITY.

AND. WHEREAS, THE DENTON COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH LEADERSHIP TEAM, DENTON COUNTY MR CENTER, UNITED WAY OF DENTON COUNTY AND WELLNESS ALLIANCE FOR TOTAL CHILDREN'S HEALTH OF DENTON COUNTY ARE EFFECTIVELY ADDRESSING THE MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS OF CHILDREN, YOUTH AND FAMILIES IN OUR COMMUNITY AND NOW THEREFORE, OUR GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM MAY 2023 AS MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS MONTH.

IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A HAND.

AMEN. CAN YOU HELP ME WITH A PICTURE AND WE'LL SEND IT TO HIM.

IS THAT OKAY? THAT'LL PROVE AS OUR.

TIME STAMP. WE'LL SEND THEM PROOF OF LIFE.

OH, LET ME SET THIS DOWN.

OKAY. NEXT UP IS.

[B. Proclamation: Internal Audit Awareness Month]

INTERNAL AUDIT AWARENESS MONTH.

OH, THERE WE GO. HELLO.

SO YOU WANT TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT NICE.

NICE. LAST COUPLE TIMES IT WENT BAD.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS TO CITY COUNCIL FOR RECOGNIZING INTERNAL AUDIT AWARENESS MONTH.

YOU KNOW, INTERNAL AUDIT IS HERE TO HELP ORGANIZATIONS CONTINUOUSLY IMPROVE.

AND AS CITY AUDITOR, YOU KNOW, OUR DEPARTMENT EXISTS TO ASSURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE RECEIVING EXCELLENT SERVICE.

AND WE CANNOT DO THAT WITHOUT OUR PARTNERS IN CITY MANAGEMENT.

THANKS, SARA AND EVERYBODY ELSE.

AND FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE HERE AND WATCHING, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR IDEAS OR ANYTHING ABOUT AUDITS, PLEASE GO TO OUR INTERNAL AUDIT WEBPAGE AT THE CITY OF DENTON WEBSITE. THERE'S A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN SUBMIT YOUR IDEAS OR ANY IDEAS OR ANYTHING.

ALL OUR REPORTS ARE ON THERE, SO THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY.

AND SO YOUR REPORTS, WHAT'S WHAT'S CAPTURED IN THOSE? SO IF PEOPLE WANT TO SEE WHAT'S THERE ALL OF THE RESULTS OF OUR AUDIT.

SO WE GO AND WE DO ESSENTIALLY WE DO PERFORMANCE REVIEWS.

SO WE'LL GO INTO A FUNCTION, WE'LL REVIEW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND COMPARE IT TO BEST PRACTICES, INDUSTRY STANDARDS, AND THEN WE'LL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, BASICALLY GIVE ADVICE ON HOW THEY CAN IMPROVE THEIR OPERATIONS TO GET FROM WHERE THEY ARE TO HOPEFULLY THE BEST PRACTICE.

SO GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

APPRECIATE IT. OH, AND BY ALL MEANS.

YES. I'M AMBER JACKSON, A SENIOR AUDITOR.

OH, YEAH, I GUESS. I'M MADISON RORSCHACH, THE CITY AUDITOR.

THERE YOU GO. OKAY, GREAT.

AND SO IT SAYS TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME.

GREETINGS. WHEREAS INTERNAL AUDITING IS A VITAL PART OF STRENGTHENING ORGANIZATIONS AND PROTECTING STAKEHOLDERS IN BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTORS.

AND JUST TO PAUSE THERE FOR A SECOND, UNDERSTANDING THE CITY, THE BUDGET THIS YEAR PROBABLY WILL BE, I'M GUESSING, 1.6, $1.7 BILLION.

SO IT'S A LOT TO ACCOUNT FOR AND MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH YOUR TAX MONEY.

AND THEN IT ALSO SAYS AND WHEREAS INTERNAL AUDITING HELPS IDENTIFY AND MANAGE THE ORGANIZATION'S RISK AND ENSURE POLICIES, PROCEDURES AND CONTROLS IN PLACE AND WORKING

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APPROPRIATELY. AND.

WHEREAS, INTERNAL AUDITING IS INCREASINGLY SOPHISTICATED AND COMPLEX ACTIVITY REQUIRING SPECIALIZED KNOWLEDGE, TRAINING AND EDUCATION.

AND. WHEREAS, THE CONTRIBUTIONS INTERNAL AUDITORS MAKE TO THE SUCCESS OF THE ORGANIZATION'S ORGANIZATION AND THE GLOBAL ECONOMY ARE LARGE AT LARGE, DESERVES RECOGNITION AND COMMENDATIONS.

NOW, THEREFORE, I GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF MAY 2023 AS INTERNAL AUDIT AWARENESS MONTH.

IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A HAND.

YES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THAT TAKES US TO.

[C. Proclamation: Drinking Water Week]

CELEBRATING DRINKING WATER WEEK.

WHO'S HERE TO. I ALSO PLAY SOCCER.

IT'S SO REFRESHING TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE GET THAT.

HUH? HUH? OKAY.

IT'S MAKING YOU. YEAH.

YEAH, FOR SURE.

FOR SURE. OKAY, SO INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

TELL US WHAT WE DO. WHAT DO WE NEED TO KNOW? SURE. MY NAME IS STEPHEN GAY AND I'M THE DIRECTOR OF WATER UTILITIES.

AND WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW IS DRINKING WATER WEEK WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE AMERICAN WATER WORKS ASSOCIATION TO RECOGNIZE THE WORK THAT THE WATER PROFESSIONALS DO IN DELIVERING RELIABLE WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICES TO THEIR COMMUNITY, NOT JUST 365 DAYS A YEAR, 24 HOURS A DAY.

THESE THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE WORKING TO SERVE YOU.

SO I'M ANDY BUNGER.

I'M THE MANAGEMENT ANALYST.

AND. HI, MOM. DAD, I'M KIM MANKIN.

I'M THE UTILITY ADMIN MANAGER.

CHRIS CARROLL. I'M THE WATER UTILITIES TREATMENT DIVISION MANAGER FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER, DANIEL PARRISH.

I'M SUPERINTENDENT FOR WATER PRODUCTION.

MY NAME IS ASHLEY MCGEE AND I'M AN ADMIN ASSISTANT FOR WATER UTILITIES.

AND I'M JILL LANNING, AND I'M A CONTRACT CONTROL SPECIALIST FOR WATER UTILITIES.

THAT WAS HARD TO SAY. SO WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF YOUNG WATER OPERATORS OUT IN THE HALLWAY.

YEAH, WE'RE TRAINING THEM UP RIGHT NOW.

SO HOW MUCH WATER? JUST IF SOMEONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND GALLONS OR JUST DRINKING WATER OR JUST KIND OF HOW MUCH WATER DOES THE CITY OF DENTON USE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT LAST YEAR OUR PEAK DAILY DEMAND WAS ROUGHLY 38 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

THAT TRANSLATES INTO, I THINK WE'RE RUNNING AROUND 4 BILLION A YEAR IN PRODUCTION AND DELIVERING TO YOUR HOMES.

AND THEN WE ALSO ONCE THE WATER IS USED, WE TAKE IT AWAY THROUGH OUR COLLECTION SYSTEM AND WE TREAT IT OVER AT OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY TO MEET ALL EPA AND SAFE DRINKING WATER STANDARDS AND RETURN IT BACK INTO THE WATERWAYS.

WOW, THAT'S OUTSTANDING.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

YEAH. THAT'S AMAZING.

OKAY. AND IT'S TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME.

GREETINGS. WHEREAS WATER IS OUR MOST VALUABLE NATURAL RESOURCE.

AND. WHEREAS, ONLY TAP WATER DELIVERS PUBLIC HEALTH PROTECTION, FIRE PROTECTION, SUPPORT FOR OUR ECONOMY AND QUALITY OF LIFE WE ENJOY.

AND. WHEREAS, MEASURES OF SUCCESSFUL SOCIETY, MEASURES OF SUCCESSFUL SOCIETY, LOW MORTALITY RATES, ECONOMIC GROWTH AND DIVERSITY, PRODUCTIVITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY RELATE TO ACCESS TO SAFE WATER.

AND. WHEREAS, WE ARE ALL STEWARDS OF WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPON WHICH FUTURE GENERATIONS DEPEND.

AND. WHEREAS, RESIDENTS CAN HELP PROTECT WATER FROM POLLUTION, PRACTICE WATER CONSERVATION AND LEARN MORE ABOUT LOCAL WATER ISSUES NOW THEREFORE, I GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF MAY 7TH THROUGH THE 13TH AS 2023 AS IS CELEBRATING DRINKING WATER WEEK.

IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A HAND NOW, IS THERE ANYTHING, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO? OR WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST PEOPLE DO? OR WHAT'S WHAT'S MOST EFFECTIVE? OR IS THERE ANY KIND OF BEST PRACTICES YOU CAN LEAVE US WITH AND THEN WE'LL GET A PICTURE? WELL, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WE'RE GETTING WE'RE ENTERING INTO THE SUMMER MONTHS.

AND SO PLEASE CHECK YOUR SPRINKLERS, CHECK THE TIMING OF YOUR SPRINKLERS.

YOU DON'T WANT TO GET SURPRISED BY AN EXTREMELY LARGE WATER BILL.

REACH OUT TO US IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY CONCERNS, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU OUT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. SO Y'ALL SLIDE IN.

WE'LL GET A PICTURE OF SLIDE IN IN THE MIDDLE HERE.

I KNOW. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STAND IN THE BACK.

YEAH, THERE WE GO. THAT'S PERFECT.

PERFECT. OH, YEAH, NO WORRIES.

THEY KNOW US BACK THERE. THEY'LL SEE THE FROZEN.

PERFECT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SIR.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY.

AND THEN I HAVE THOSE HERE FOR BIKE MONTH.

[D. Proclamation: Denton Bike Month]

COME ON DOWN, PLEASE.

WHY NOT? ALL RIGHT.

YEAH, RIGHT HERE IS GREAT. AND WE'LL HAVE A SPOKESPERSON COME.

THERE WE GO. DO YOU WANT TO COME EARLY? AND I'LL GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY THERE.

THERE WE GO. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO. HEY, EVERYBODY.

I'M SUSIE RUMORE WITH BIKE DENTON.

SO TODAY WE'RE HERE TO RECOGNIZE BIKE MONTH.

IT'S JUST SORT OF A WAY TO THINK ABOUT BIKING AND THE FACT THAT IT IS A FUN AND INEXPENSIVE WAY TO GET AROUND.

SO WE'RE JUST HERE TO CELEBRATE THAT.

AND SO WE WILL GO DOWN THE LINE.

I'M GOING TO HAVE EVERYBODY SAY YOUR NAME, OCCUPATION.

AND ONE THING YOU LIKE ABOUT BICYCLING, JUST ONE TODAY.

SO I DIDN'T SAY MY OCCUPATION.

I'M A RESEARCH LIBRARIAN.

AND ONE THING I LIKE ABOUT BIKING IS JUST THE SERENDIPITY OF IT.

SO JUST ON THE WAY HERE, I SAW AND WAVED AT A MOM WITH PULLING A TRAILER WITH KIDS.

I SMELLED SOME NATURE AS I WAS GOING BY AND YOU CAN JUST LIKE STOP AND TALK TO PEOPLE AT ANY RANDOM TIME.

HI, I'M MARLA LAMAR AND I'M A PSYCHOLOGIST HERE IN DENTON AND I LOVE RIDING MY BIKE.

I COMMUTE TO WORK.

AND ONE THING I LIKE ABOUT IT IS IT'S VERY GROUNDING FOR ME ON A BIKE.

YOU CAN'T REALLY BE IN YOUR HEAD THINKING A LOT OF THINGS.

YOU NEED TO REALLY PAY ATTENTION.

AND SO IT'S A WAY FOR ME TO BE VERY PRESENT.

I'M BECKY DIVINEY, THE CITY ENGINEER AND GENERAL MANAGER OF PUBLIC WORKS.

AND WHAT I LOVE IS THE GROUP THAT'S HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE'RE VERY PROACTIVE IN WORKING THROUGH WITH SUSIE HAS MANY COMMENTS ALONG WITH, I'M SURE OTHERS DO, ABOUT TAKING THIS NEW MOBILITY PLAN FORWARD IN THE MULTIMODAL APPROACH OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BICYCLE, PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR ACCESS TO ALL OF OUR ROADWAYS.

AND SO I'M REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF THEIR SUPPORT.

SUSIE HAS OFTEN CONVERSATIONS WITH US ON THINGS THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO HER, AND SO I APPRECIATE THEIR SUPPORT IN THEM BEING HERE TODAY AND CELEBRATING THIS MONTH WITH THEM.

EXCELLENT. OH, YEAH.

NO, NO. AND I WILL SAY THAT IT'S REALLY COOL THAT MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS MONTH PROCLAMATION WAS TODAY BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE SOME SYNERGY HAPPENING HERE.

I'M KATHY ALBRIGHT.

I'M A VOLUNTEER FROM THE ART ROOM, WHICH MARLIS BEGAN.

SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A SECOND.

BUT WHAT I LOVE ABOUT BIKING IS IT FORCES YOU TO LOOK DOWN THE ROAD AND FOCUS ON SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN THE STRESSES OF EVERYDAY LIFE.

HI, I'M STEPHANIE BROOKS, A SOFTWARE ENGINEER AND A BIKE COMMUTER AS WELL.

I BIKE MYSELF AND MY KIDS ON OUR ELECTRIC CARGO BIKE ALL AROUND TOWN, AND I ALSO STARTED THE NEWTON RAYZOR BIKE BUS.

WHAT I LIKE ABOUT BIKING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

WHAT I LIKE ABOUT BIKING IS CONNECTION.

I GET TO CONNECT WITH MY KIDS MORE.

I GET TO CONNECT WITH MY COMMUNITY THROUGH BIKE, BUS AND WITH THE ENVIRONMENT BY MOVING MORE HARMONIOUSLY THROUGH AS MY FORM OF TRANSPORTATION.

DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? AND HER FAVORITE THING ABOUT BIKING, SHE TOLD ME ON THE WAY OVER IS BIKE BUS DOWNHILLS BECAUSE IT'S FAST AND EASY.

HI, I'M RYAN. RYAN DROMGOOLE, GIS ANALYST WITH THE CAPITAL PROJECTS DEPARTMENT.

I THINK BIKE ENTHUSIAST AND FORMER RACER AND I REALLY LIKE GOING FAST ON BIKES TOO.

IT'S YOU CAN'T DESCRIBE WHAT 30 TO 40 MILES AN HOUR ON YOUR OWN POWER IS LIKE.

AND I JUST I ENJOY SEEING WHAT THESE GUYS ARE ENJOYING.

LIKE, YEAH, WHAT THEY ARE DISCOVERING ABOUT GOING FAST ON BIKES AS WELL.

SO. ALEX ZUKOWSKI BOY SCOUT, WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT BIKING? IT'S A BIKE. YOU GET TO GO.

UM, I DON'T HAVE A JOB, BUT I ENJOY BIKING BECAUSE IT LETS ME BE OUTDOORS AND EXERCISE WITHOUT, LIKE, BEING STUCK IN A GYM OR SOMETHING.

ANDREW I'M GRAYSON AND I LIKE BIKING.

I'M A BOY SCOUT.

I JUST LIKE GOING FAST, SO.

YEAH. AND I'M GARY GARRETT.

I'M AN IT SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS.

AND I GUESS THE THING I REALLY ENJOY ABOUT BIKING IS ACTUALLY GETTING TO SEE YOUR TOWN.

SOMETIMES WHENEVER YOU'RE IN A CAR, YOU JUST REALLY YOU'RE FOCUSED ON WHERE YOU'RE HEADING TO, BUT YOU DON'T ACTUALLY GET TO SEE THAT CUTE LITTLE HOUSE THAT'S ON THE CORNER AND KNOW THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT HELPS YOU GET TO SEE YOUR ACTUALLY SEE YOUR TOWN.

HI, I'M JULIE.

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I'M A TRANSPORTATION PLANNER.

I LIKE BIKING BECAUSE I REALLY HATE DRIVING BECAUSE IT MAKES ME VERY IRRITABLE AND I DON'T LIKE TO BE IRRITABLE.

ALSO, I DON'T, LIKE, TRY TO FIND PARKING.

HI, I'M BRIAN. I WORK AT BULLSEYE BIKE SHOP.

ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER GREAT BIKE SHOPS IN TOWN.

RIGHT, JUDGE? THERE ARE. SO COME SEE US AT ONE OF THEM.

YOU'RE LUCKY TO LIVE IN A CITY THAT'S GOT SEVERAL GREAT BIKE SHOPS.

COME CHECK ONE OF THEM OUT.

THERE'S NOT MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE.

SO WE DO HAVE ONE ADVERTISEMENT.

ACTUALLY, WE HAVE TWO ADVERTISEMENTS OF SOME THINGS COMING UP IN THE REMAINDER OF THIS MONTH.

SO AND I'M GOING TO MOVE OVER HERE BY MARLIS BECAUSE THE ART ROOM IS HER HER VISION.

BUT I'M KATHY ALBRIGHT.

I'M A VOLUNTEER FROM THE ART ROOM.

AND THE ART ROOM IS A NONPROFIT ART STUDIO FOR PEOPLE WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

AND WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO CELEBRATE THE MONTH OF MAY BECAUSE IT'S NATIONAL BIKE MONTH AND IT'S ALSO MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS MONTH.

WE WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THE ART ROOM AND HOW WE'RE ENCOURAGING BOTH BICYCLING AND MENTAL HEALTH WITH THE FUNDRAISING BIKE RIDE CALLED THE POSITIVE PSYCHOLOGY RIDE. THE ART ROOM OFFERS A STUDIO SPACE, ART SUPPLIES AND GUIDANCE FROM MENTAL HEALTH AND ARTIST VOLUNTEERS FOR CLASSES AND OPEN STUDIO. THAT'S ALL FREE TO OUR MEMBERS AT THE ART ROOM.

WE KNOW THAT MENTAL HEALTH IS SUPPORTED BY ENGAGING IN CREATIVE ACTIVITIES AS WELL AS PHYSICAL AND SOCIALLY ORIENTED EXERCISE LIKE BIKE RIDING AS A WAY TO ENCOURAGE BOTH PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH AND TO SUPPORT THE CONTINUATION OF THE ART ROOM.

WE CREATED THIS BIKE RIDE FUNDRAISER THAT WILL BE THIS SATURDAY, MAY THE 20TH, WITH TWO RIOTS.

THERE'S A SIX MILE LEISURE RIDE FOR FAMILIES AND A 26 MILE MORE EXPERIENCED RIDE.

WE'LL BE STARTING AT 830 FOR THE 26 MILE RIDE AND 930 FOR THE SIX MILE CHECK IN AND SAME DAY REGISTRATION WILL BE AT DOWNTOWN DENTON RAILWAY STATION OR ONLINE BY THURSDAY, MAY THE 18TH.

JUST GO TO THE ART ROOM DENTON.ORG AND SIGN UP FOR A FREE RIDE.

T-SHIRTS WITH EACH REGISTRATION WILL BE WHILE SUPPLIES LAST.

AFTER THE RIDE, WE'LL BE MEETING AT EAST SIDE FOR A POST RIDE CELEBRATION, WHICH ALL CYCLISTS LOVE FOOD AND DRINK.

AND WITH REGISTRATION YOU'LL GET A FREE DRINK TICKET FOR EAST SIDE, WHICH IS GOOD FOR ONE ON TAP BEER OR A SOFT DRINK.

WE'D LOVE TO SEE YOU THERE.

AND WE ALSO HAVE FLIERS IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT.

YEAH, NO, WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE THOSE AND WE CAN SET THEM OUT ON THE.

ON THE TABLE. THAT'S GREAT.

CERTAINLY. I'LL TAKE A COUPLE.

THAT'LL BE GOOD. YEAH, WE'LL. YEAH, THERE WE GO.

THAT'S PERFECT. AND THE NEW ADDRESS, RIGHT.

IT'S SOUTH LOCUST.

YES, IT'S.

WE JUST MOVED LAST SEPTEMBER TO 721 SOUTH LOCUST STREET, SO WE'RE KIND OF AT THE LOWER END OF LOCUST, BUT WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL STUDIO AND IT'S VERY BIG.

AND IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY WHO LOVES ART AND COULD BE SUPPORTED WITH THEIR MENTAL HEALTH, WITH DOING ART, HAVE THEM CHECK US OUT.

OUR WEBSITE IS, I GUESS ON OUR FLIER.

YEAH, BUT YES.

YOU TRY IT? YES, GO AHEAD.

AWESOME. AND ON FRIDAY, THE CITY IS GOING TO BE CELEBRATING BIKE TO WORK DAY WITH A REFRESHMENT STATION AT THE EMILY FOWLER LIBRARY OVER ON PARKWAY FROM 7 A.M. TO 9 A.M.

SO IF YOU'RE A BIKE COMMUTER, STOP BY ON YOUR WAY INTO WORK OR TO SCHOOL OR WHEREVER YOU'RE GOING AND HAVE A SNACK WITH US.

SO. WHAT DAY IS THAT? FRIDAY. FRIDAY, MAY 19TH.

OKAY. GOT IT. GOT IT.

OKAY, WELL, VERY GOOD.

WELL, WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION, AND IT SAYS TO WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME.

GREETINGS. WHEREAS THE CITY OF DENTON IS COMMITTED TO IMPROVING CONDITIONS FOR BICYCLING BY PURSUING THE DESIGNATION AS A BICYCLE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY AND ESTABLISHING A VISION ZERO PROGRAM.

AND. WHEREAS, THE CITY'S 2023 MOBILITY PLAN OUTLINES GOALS THAT PROMOTE TRAVEL BY BICYCLE, INCLUDING PRIORITIZING SAFE TRAVEL, DELIVERING AN EFFECTIVE NETWORK FOR TRAVEL, FACILITATING ALTERNATIVE TRAVEL OPPORTUNITIES AND LEVERAGING INNOVATION.

AND. WHEREAS, BICYCLING IS RECOGNIZED AS A SUSTAINABLE, EFFICIENT AND ENJOYABLE FORM OF TRANSPORTATION AND RECREATION THAT BENEFITS OUR COMMUNITY BY PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT AND IMPROVING PUBLIC HEALTH AND QUALITY OF LIFE.

AND. WHEREAS, AS THE CITY OF DENTON BIKE DENTON BIKE, TEXAS AND LEAGUE OF AMERICAN BICYCLISTS, LOCAL BIKE SHOPS AND INDEPENDENT CYCLISTS THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY ARE PROMOTING GREATER PUBLIC AWARENESS OF BICYCLISTS ON OUR ROADS AND TRAILS AND IMPROVE SAFETY FOR ALL ROAD USERS.

NOW, THEREFORE, I GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM MAY 2023 AS BIKE MONTH IF WE CAN GIVE HIM A HAND.

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YEAH. AND IF YOU ALL SAW IT IN HERE AND I'LL SLIDE UP AND THEN WE CAN SLIDE IN BEHIND.

SO WE'LL BUT WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT SUSIE.

AND IF YOU WANT TO GO SEE ME KIND OF GETTING INTRODUCED TO HER WORLD, YOU CAN GO TO THE CITY OF DENTON YOUTUBE PAGE AND THERE'S OUT THERE WITH THE MAYOR WHERE WE HAD A BIKE RIDE AND SHE SHE HELPED ME UNDERSTAND WHAT I NEEDED TO KNOW.

AND SPOILER ALERT, IT ENDS WITH MY.

THEN I THINK FIVE YEAR OLD SAYING, OH, NO, WE'RE GOING TO CRASH.

SO, SO, SO IT WAS A GOOD TIME HAD BY ALL.

I THINK. SO I'LL SLIDE THIS BEHIND YOU AND THEN.

OKAY, Y'ALL SLIDE IN. ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO.

CAN YOU GET US ALL. CAN YOU HELP ME HOLD THAT.

IS THAT ALL RIGHT? THANK YOU.

AWESOME. GOT IT.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. AWESOME.

THANKS. THANKS, JUDGE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

RIGHT. TO MORE SO MILITARY SPOUSES APPRECIATION DAY.

[E. Proclamation: National Military Spouses Appreciation Day]

YES. ALL RIGHT.

SO YOU'LL JUST SHARE WHATEVER WE NEED TO KNOW.

THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS VANESSA SIMS, AND I'M HERE TO CELEBRATE MILITARY SPOUSES.

I AM NOT A MILITARY SPOUSE, BUT MY SON SERVED IN IRAQ.

AND WHILE HE WAS SERVING IN IRAQ, ONE OF THEIR CREW MEMBERS CRASHED AND THEY LOST SEVEN MEMBERS.

AND SO MY VOW WAS, WHATEVER I CAN DO TO SUPPORT THE MILITARY SPOUSES AND FAMILIES, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO.

AND SO AS THIS SIDE OF 65, I LOVE BLESSING PEOPLE.

SO ONE OF THE WAYS THAT I BLESS PEOPLE AND GIVE BACK AND SHARE LOVE AND INSPIRATION AND JUST BLESS PEOPLE IS OUR SPONSOR A MILITARY SPOUSES EVENT EVERY YEAR? WE HAVE DOOR PRIZES.

WE HAVE FELLOWSHIP.

WE TRY TO MOVE IT AROUND IN THE COMMUNITY.

LAST YEAR WE HAD IT AT THE AMERICAN LEGION HALL, THE IN SOUTHEAST DENTON.

THIS YEAR WE HAVE THE TEXAS VETERANS HALL OF FAME MUSEUM IN THE DENTON MALL.

SO IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO THAT MUSEUM, GO BY THERE AND VISIT VISIT THAT MUSEUM.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR.

SO WE WANT TO CELEBRATE MILITARY SPOUSES.

NOT ALL PEOPLE THAT SERVE ARE RECOGNIZED.

AND IF YOU KNOW MILITARY FAMILIES, THEY SERVE SO WE CAN BE FREE.

SO SAY A SHOUT OUT TO THE MILITARY FAMILIES.

MAY IS NATIONAL MILITARY MONTH.

SO ALL ACROSS THE NATION, THEY CELEBRATE MILITARY FAMILIES.

SO THAT'S WHAT I DO.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND IT IS A GREAT EVENT.

AND SO THE PROCLAMATION PROCLAMATION READS TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME GREETINGS.

WHEREAS MILITARY SPOUSE APPRECIATION DAY WAS FIRST RECOGNIZED ON MAY 23RD, 1984, HONORING THE HEROES AT HOME WHO SERVED OUR COUNTRY JUST LIKE THEIR LOVED ONES, BY PROVIDING STRENGTH TO THE NATION THROUGH THEIR COMMITMENT AND SUPPORT TO HELP KEEP OUR COMMUNITIES SAFE.

AND. WHEREAS, AMERICA'S MILITARY SPOUSES SUSTAIN OUR TROOPS DURING MISSIONS, DEPLOYMENTS, REINTEGRATION AND RESET.

AND. WHEREAS, NATIONAL MILITARY SPOUSES APPRECIATION DAY OBSERVES THIS YEAR, ON FRIDAY, MAY 12TH, 2023, ACKNOWLEDGES THE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION, SUPPORT AND SACRIFICES OF SPOUSES FOR THEIR ARMED ARMED FORCES.

AND. WHEREAS, THOU ART MY SISTERS MINISTRIES, TEXAS VETERANS HALL OF FAME AND FRIENDS WILL HONOR A AND COMMEMORATE THE PROFOUND SACRIFICE OF MILITARY SPOUSES PAST AND PRESENT WITH A SPECIAL EVENT ON SATURDAY, MAY 20TH, AT 1 P.M.

AT THE TEXAS VETERANS HALL OF FAME MUSEUM AND GOLDEN TRIANGLE MALL.

NOW, THEREFORE, I GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THE 12TH DAY OF MAY 2023 AS MILITARY SPOUSE APPRECIATION DAY IF WE GIVE HIM A HAND.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT. AND I HAVE SOME EXTRA.

AND THEN.

[F. Proclamation: National Safe Boating Week]

IS THERE ANYONE HERE FOR SAFE BOATING WEEK?

[03:05:01]

SAFE BOATING WEEK.

OKAY, WELL, WE'LL READ THIS AND WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET IT TO THEM.

IT SAYS A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME GREETINGS.

WHEREAS ON AVERAGE, 650 PEOPLE DIE EACH YEAR IN BOATING RELATED ACCIDENTS IN THE UNITED STATES, AND 75% OF THESE ARE CAUSED BY DROWNING.

AND. WHEREAS, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE ACCIDENTS ARE CAUSED BY HUMAN ERROR OR POOR JUDGMENT AND NOT BY BOAT EQUIPMENT OR ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS.

AND. WHEREAS, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF BOATERS WHO LOSE THEIR LIVES BY DROWNING EACH YEAR WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY HAD THEY WORN THEIR LIFE JACKETS.

NOW, THEREFORE, I GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF MAY 2ND, MAY 20TH THROUGH 26, 2023 AS NATIONAL BOAT.

NATIONAL SAFE BOATING WEEK IN THE CITY OF DENTON AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO WEAR LIFE JACKETS WHEN BOATING AND TO PROMOTE SAFE BOATING IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A HAND.

THANK YOU. AWESOME.

OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO PUBLIC COMMENTS IF WE CAN PLAY THE VIDEO ON ADDRESSING COUNCIL.

[3. PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC]

THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, INCLUDING A CODE OF CONDUCT THAT APPLIES TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THESE RULES WERE ENACTED TO PROMOTE AN ORDERLY PROCESS AND TO PRESERVE DECORUM.

SPEAKERS WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE A SCHEDULED REPORT AND FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE AN OPEN MIC REPORT.

A BELL WILL RING WHEN TIME IS EXPIRED.

IF THE REMARKS ARE NOT CONCLUDED BY THAT TIME, THE SPEAKER WILL BE ASKED TO STOP SPEAKING.

IF THE SPEAKER DOES NOT CEASE AND A SECOND REQUEST IS MADE, THE MAYOR MAY REQUEST TO HAVE THE SPEAKER REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER.

SPEAKERS SHOULD NOT APPROACH THE DAIS.

IF A SPEAKER HAS MATERIALS FOR THE COUNCIL, PLEASE NOTIFY THE CITY SECRETARY IN ADVANCE FOR SCHEDULED REPORTS.

THE COUNCIL MAY INITIATE DISCUSSION OR ASK QUESTIONS SCHEDULED OPEN-MIKE REPORTS.

THE COUNCIL MAY LISTEN, HOWEVER, BECAUSE NO NOTICE OF THE SUBJECT OF THE OPEN-MIKE REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC IN ADVANCE.

THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR DECISION BY THE COUNCIL ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS. AS A RESULT, THE COUNCIL MAY ONLY PROCEED AS FOLLOWS ON NON SCHEDULED ITEMS PROPOSED TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

MAKE A STATEMENT OF FACTUAL POLICY OR A RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY.

SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO DIRECT ALL REMARKS AND QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER.

PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MAKING ABUSIVE, PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS.

ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE MAY BE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER.

THANK YOU. IN ADVANCE.

COPIES OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY SECRETARY.

THE FIRST SPEAKER THAT WAS REGISTERED AS MR. STEPHEN DILLENBURG. IS HE HERE AROUND? STEPHEN DILLENBURG.

OKAY. NEXT SPEAKER IS DIANE.

AND IS THAT.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

YES, HI. MY NAME IS DIANE BECK AND MY ADDRESS IS 2421 MERCEDES ROAD IN DENTON, TEXAS.

AND I PRESENTED HERE, I BELIEVE IT'S MARCH 7TH.

IT WAS THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING OF MARCH, AND I THOUGHT I WOULD BE BACK IN APRIL.

BUT I WAS IN DESTIN, FLORIDA FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING THERE AND REALLY PRESENTED PRE COUNCIL THERE.

I BELIEVE I'M BEING TARGETED BECAUSE I'M A CONSERVATIVE AND THIS IS A VERY LIBERAL TOWN, UNFORTUNATELY, UNFORTUNATELY.

AND I AM A CONSERVATIVE AND I BELIEVE I AM BEING TARGETED.

YOU CAN'T BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AND THE DISRESPECT THAT I HAVE HAD TO ENDURE.

IT IS UNFATHOMABLE THAT ANYONE SHOULD BE TREATED THIS WAY.

NO ONE SHOULD BE TREATED IN ANY COUNTRY.

I DON'T CARE. THIS IS THE USA, BUT I DON'T CARE ANYWHERE.

NO ONE SHOULD BE TREATED THIS WAY AND I WILL NOT TOLERATE.

I WILL NOT BACK DOWN FROM THIS.

THIS IS CRAZY.

I AM NOT THE CRAZY ONE YOU ALL ARE.

I'M TELLING YOU, I WALK INTO AN ESTABLISHMENT AND I HAVE BEEN BELITTLED AND TREATED UNFAIRLY AND THAT IS JUST NOT FAIR FOR ANYONE.

AND YOU SMILE. PEOPLE LITERALLY ARE LAUGHING.

THAT IS NOT RIGHT.

IT IS NOT FUNNY.

YOU SEE SOMEONE IN PAIN SPAN SPANNING DELIBERATELY AND INTENTIONALLY MANIPULATING SO THAT I DON'T GET UNEMPLOYMENT MAKING UP STORIES.

[03:10:07]

YOU CAN'T FATHOM THIS.

MICHELLE MACBAIN, A FORMER FRIEND FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS THAT I HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR THIS IS NOT FAIR, BUT LIFE AIN'T FAIR.

AND I WAS THE FIRST TO POINT THAT OUT TO MY BROTHER MICHAEL.

AND IT IS TRUE.

BUT I AM HERE.

AND MAYOR, YOU DID NOT GIVE ME ONE OF THOSE RINGS.

AND MAYBE BECAUSE I AM SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, I AM CALLED TO BE HERE.

I AM A CHOSEN PERSON CALLED TO BE HERE TO INFORM AND TELL PEOPLE YOU CAN'T TREAT ANYONE THIS WAY.

I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE, WHO YOU ALL THINK YOU ARE.

THIS IS A NARCISSISTIC TOWN.

AND I'M TELLING YOU, IT IS NOT JUST 1 OR 2 PEOPLE.

I CAN'T EVEN FIND TEN GOOD PEOPLE IN TOWN.

NOT EVEN. THIS IS CRAZY.

AND I'M TELLING YOU, THIS WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY.

AND I HAVE PUT UP WITH THIS.

I AM REFUSING TO BACK DOWN AND I WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS.

I WAS IN JAIL FOR 26 DAYS FOR DELIBERATELY MANIPULATED CRIMINAL MISDEMEANOR.

IF YOU THINK DIANE CAN'T BACK, CAN'T WIN, YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE GOD IS IN CONTROL.

YOU AREN'T. I AM BECAUSE I HAVE GOD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER IS ALEXANDRA ALEXANDRIA VALDEZ.

YEAH. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

WE'RE WE'RE WORKING TO GET IT, MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO TO BE HERE.

IT IS ALL GOOD.

OKAY. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

OKAY? ALL RIGHT.

HELLO, MY NAME IS ALEXANDRIA.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT MOBILITY AND GETTING AROUND IN DENTON.

A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, I WAS WALKING ON AUSTIN STREET AND I TRIPPED AND FELL AND HURT MY RIGHT KNEE.

DON'T WORRY, I'M HEALING UP REALLY WELL.

BUT AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IT NOW MAKES THINGS EVEN HARDER TO WALK AROUND DENTON IT IS HARD TO CLIMB IN AND OUT OF A VEHICLE WHEN I CALL A RIDE, WHEN I CALL A GOZONE OR UBER.

IT'S HARD TO MAKE TRANSFERS ON BUSSES BECAUSE I HAVE TO WALK A VERY FAR DISTANCE BETWEEN ROUTES.

OFTENTIMES THE ONLY TRANSFER POINT IS AT THE TRAIN STATION AND TO GET TO THE NEAREST BUS STOP IN THE FIRST PLACE CAN BE A REALLY LONG WALK ITSELF.

IT'S HARD TO WALK MORE THAN A COUPLE OF BLOCKS OR SO WITHOUT FINDING A BENCH OR SOMETHING TO SIT ON AND REST.

AND IT'S HARD TO WALK IN AREAS WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS CRAGGLY OR THERE IS NO SIDEWALK AT ALL.

I HAVE NOTICED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS AROUND TOWN.

I HAVE NOTICED THE NEW PAVED STREETS AND WIDER SIDEWALKS ON MCKINNEY AND ON WOODROW.

I'VE ALSO SEEN THE WORK ON THE CORNERS DOWNTOWN ON THE SQUARE.

IT LOOKS GREAT.

IT'LL BE MUCH EASIER TO WALK WITH THE DIAGONALS.

I HOPE THAT THE CITY CONTINUES TO USE TRIP FUNDS AND OTHER FUNDS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS LIKE THIS FOR US RESIDENTS. AND WHILE I'VE SEEN A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, I ALSO SEE A LOT OF THE OPPORTUNITIES AROUND US.

THERE'S STILL A LOT WE COULD BE DOING TO MAKE DENTON WALKABLE AND ACCESSIBLE FOR EVERYONE.

SO I'M BRINGING THIS UP TODAY TO URGE YOU ALL TO CONTINUE TO KEEP THIS IN MIND WHEN MAKING FUTURE DECISIONS.

YOU KNOW, JUST THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SAFETY AND WALKABILITY OF THESE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS OUT HERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

AND THE NEXT SPEAKER IS.

LIAM. I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT WRONG.

YOUR LAST NAME? GAY WAKEFIELD.

THANK YOU. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

HELLO, MY NAME IS LIAM WAKEFIELD.

I'M OFF OF PONDER AVENUE.

I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON TRANSPORTATION.

I'M GLAD IT'S BIKE MONTH, BUT PEOPLE MOVE ON MORE THAN BIKES ALONE.

SPECIFICALLY HERE TO TALK ABOUT CHAPTER 18, ARTICLE ONE, SECTION 1811, WHERE IT SAYS IT SHALL BE UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON UPON A SKATEBOARD, ROLLER ROLLER BLADES OR RIDING IN OR BY MEANS OF ANY TOY VEHICLE OR SIMILAR DEVICE TO GO UPON THE ROAD EXCEPT EXCEPTION.

SORRY, CAN'T READ MY OWN HANDWRITING RIGHT NOW.

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF BEING CROSSWALKS AND HAVING THE SAME RIGHTS OF ANY PEDESTRIAN ON A CROSSWALK.

THE ISSUE WITH THIS IS THAT THERE ARE LIKE HERE AROUND THE STATE, AROUND THE COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE.

[03:15:06]

THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT MOVE, USE SKATEBOARDS, SCOOTERS AND ROLLERBLADES TO GET AROUND TOWN AND GO TO WORK.

I IT'S LIKE WHEN I DRIVE TO WORK, I SEE A PERSON ON A SKATEBOARD, I THINK A NURSE LIKE ALONG TO USE IT TO GET TO WORK.

I SEE. I KNOW I'VE SEEN A PERSON ON A ROLLERBLADES.

LIKE IT'S NOT JUST THE ONLY ONE.

IT'S LIKE I.

I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE FORM OF TRANSIT THAT THEY NEED SLASH WANT TO WITHOUT THE FEAR OF BEING TICKETED.

AND. AND I SEE LIKE THE BIKE, THE BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE, AS THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER SAYS, LIKE THERE IS A TON OF IMPROVEMENT AND A TON OF OPPORTUNITIES.

SO LET'S HAVE OTHER FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION, BE ABLE TO USE THOSE, NOT JUST BIKES AND PEOPLE, BUT THANK YOU.

I YIELD THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.

AND THAT NEXT SPEAKER IS SAGE.

HELLO, MY NAME IS SAGE AND I LIVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF DENTON BY AA.

I AM A PEDESTRIAN AND A RESIDENT OF DENTON.

BASICALLY, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT PEDESTRIAN, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND THE LACK THEREOF HERE IN DENTON.

I KNOW THAT FOR ME AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, WE RELY ON BIKING, WE RELY ON WALKING, WE RELY ON BUSSES AND UNFORTUNATELY WE RELY ON GOZONE TO TO GET AROUND.

THAT IS OUR ONLY FORM OF TRANSPORT FOR OUR HOUSELESS FOLKS, FOR OUR DISABLED FOLKS.

A LOT OF TIMES WE JUST CAN'T GET AROUND TOWN TO OUR JOBS, TO OUR DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS AND TO DO ALL THE NECESSITIES OF LIFE, TO GO GROCERY SHOPPING BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF AFFORDABILITY AND SAFETY OF A CAR AND ALL OF THE COSTS THAT COME WITH IT, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE INSURANCE, GAS, DRIVER'S LICENSE, THINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE LIKE THAT.

AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE FUTURE IS HAVING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS NOT JUST CAR DEPENDENT, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY CAN'T TAKE CARS FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.

AND FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT TAKE AND CANNOT TAKE IT, IT'S OFTEN TIMES UNSAFE.

I ACTUALLY BROKE MY ARM AND NOW I HAVE MEDICAL BILLS THAT I CAN'T AFFORD AND I HAVE PAIN THAT I CAN'T I'M STRUGGLING WITH AND I HAVE MY JOB THAT I CAN'T RETURN TO BECAUSE IT'S PHYSICAL LABOR AND I JUST CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE BUSSES BE REFORMED SO THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A FUNCTIONAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM THAT IS OF EASE OF USE AND SAFE THAT WAY WE DON'T END UP GOING WITH LIKE 80% OF LATE RATE ON GO ZONES, WHICH FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE HOUSELESS AND DON'T HAVE SMARTPHONES, THEY CAN'T USE IT FOR DISABLED PEOPLE.

THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE VANS THAT CAN TAKE MOBILITY AIDS.

AND THEN FOR BIKERS OR WALKERS LIKE MYSELF, A LOT OF TIMES THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS AND WE'RE FORCED TO WALK IN DITCHES OR IN THE ROAD, WHICH IS FUNDAMENTALLY UNSAFE.

I'VE KNOWN PEOPLE WHO'VE BROKEN THEIR ANKLES AND WHO HAVE OTHERWISE FALLEN.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE END UP COMPARING SCRAPES AND BRUISES AND MAKING LIGHT OF IT.

BUT ULTIMATELY, THE POINT IS, IS THAT IT IS UNSAFE TO BE ON THE STREETS OF DENTON AND TO TRY TO GET ANYWHERE.

IT RESULTS IN PEOPLE LOSING THEIR JOBS AND LOSING MOBILITY, GETTING MEDICAL BILLS AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES LOSING THEIR LIVES. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT EASE OF USE FOR MOBILITY WOULD BE GREAT.

MORE SIDEWALKS, MORE BIKE LANES, EXPANDED LEGISLATION TO ALLOW DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORT AND ESSENTIALLY JUST IMPROVING AND ALLOWING THOSE TO BE NO MATTER WHAT FORM OF TRANSPORT YOU TAKE.

BECAUSE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND WE'LL MAKE SURE SOMEONE GETS YOU THAT.

UNFORTUNATELY, DCTA IS A SEPARATE GOVERNMENT ENTITY, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE WE REGULARLY COMMUNICATE WITH THEM.

BUT I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO BE HEARD BY THEM DIRECTLY, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET YOU THAT INFORMATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

CHRISTINE BRAY IS NEXT.

IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME FOR ME.

[03:20:07]

NO, BUT. HELLO, EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS CHRISTINE BRAY.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NEW CITY COUNCILORS AND HAPPY BIKE MONTH IN HONOR OF BIKE MONTH.

BIKE DENTON PUT TOGETHER A BIKE MONTH BINGO FILLED WITH ACTIVITIES THAT PEOPLE CAN DO THAT INVOLVE BIKING.

AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE SOME OF THEM WITH YOU.

ROAD TO A PARK.

ROAD TO A PLACE I USUALLY DRIVE TO.

ROAD WITH A FRIEND.

ROAD WITH KIDS.

ROAD TO A COMMUNITY MEETING.

ROAD TO WORK OR SCHOOL.

TOOK MY BIKE ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

AND THERE'S ABOUT 20 OTHERS.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO TAKE A STAB AT THIS.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT GETTING AROUND BY BIKE OR GETTING AROUND ON FOOT AS A PRIMARY MOBILITY METHOD.

THAT IS JUST REALLY HARD TO UNDERSTAND UNTIL YOU'VE DONE IT.

I ACTUALLY DID ONE OF THESE TODAY.

IT'S BIKE TO WORK WEEK AND SO I BIKE TO WORK.

I WORK IN TRANSPORTATION OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MAYHILL.

AND SO I TOOK MCKINNEY FROM THE SWEARING IN OF THE NEW CITY COUNCILORS, WENT FROM HERE AND THEN WENT STRAIGHT SHOT DOWN.

MCKINNEY THE SIDEWALK THERE IS VERY PATCHY AT MOST PLACES.

YOUR BEST BET IS JUST TO RIDE IN THE SHOULDER OF THE ROAD UNTIL THE SHOULDER DISAPPEARS AND THEN YOU GET TO RIDE IN THE LANE AND THEN MAYBE YOU GET SOME SHOULDER AGAIN.

AND THEN MAYBE YOU GET SOME SIDEWALK.

AND THEN MAYBE YOU GET SOME SHOULDER AND THEN MAYBE YOU DON'T.

AND IT WAS JUST A VERY SCARY EXPERIENCE.

I DON'T THINK THAT I'LL BE DOING IT AGAIN.

AND OF COURSE, MCKINNEY IS BASICALLY THE ONLY EAST WEST ARTERY THERE TO GO NORTH.

YOU'D HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO 380 TO GO SOUTH.

I THINK SHADY OAKS AND MORRIS IS GOING TO BE YOUR NEXT BET.

AND SO THOSE ARE QUITE FAR AWAY.

MCKINNEY IS AND OF COURSE, NOT MUCH BETTER THAN MCKINNEY.

AND SO I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO BIKE AROUND FOR MAYBE A WEEK FOR YOUR DAILY LIFE AND EXPERIENCE THE THINGS THAT SO MANY PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE EXPERIENCING, PEOPLE FOR WHOM BIKES ARE NOT A FUN CHOICE THAT THEY MAKE SOMETIMES, BUT THEIR ONLY OPTION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN PAYTON JACKSON.

I'M HERE. OKAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SELLING OUT FAST IN A BLACK POLITICIAN.

PAYING RESPECTS SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY THING THAT THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO PAY WHEN IT COMES TO MY PEOPLE.

YOU WON'T PAY TO CORRECT THE HISTORY BOOKS.

YOU WON'T PAY REPARATIONS.

BUT BY ALL MEANS, COMMIT TO A PLAQUE, A MEMORIAL, EVEN A MOVIE.

JUST NOTHING THAT WOULD MAKE.

A MAJOR IMPACT.

I DON'T KNOW. LIKE MAYBE GIVING BACK THE LAND THAT WAS STOLEN.

OR MAKING THE UNIVERSITY THAT CALLS ALL OF THIS TUITION FREE FOR MY PEOPLE.

NATIVES OF DENTON, OF COURSE.

OR. HOW ABOUT DONATING THE OLD CITY HALL TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY? IT KILLS ME THAT TEXANS WILL LITERALLY CELEBRATE THE CIVIL WAR THAT THE CONFEDERATES WON.

REMEMBER THE ALAMO, BUT WILL SWEEP THE SENECA VILLAGE OF TEXAS UNDER THE RUG.

WHY DIDN'T WE LEARN ABOUT QUAKERTOWN IN SCHOOL? I'VE HAD A QUESTION.

WHY AREN'T YOU DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT? I'D SAY IT'S THE SAME REASON WHY WE DIDN'T LEARN ABOUT THE WHITE SLAVES.

THERE WERE WHITE SLAVES EVEN IN AMERICA.

WHY DIDN'T WE LEARN ABOUT THAT? I'M ASKING YOU TO MAKE.

AN IMPACT.

SOMEONE SAID, I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER WAY TO SPEND TAX PAYERS MONEY THAN TO INVEST INTO THIS DOCUMENTARY IN WHICH I AM GOING TO WATCH IT AND BE ONE OF THE FIRST IN LINE.

BUT AS A CERTIFIED ACCOUNTANT, I CAN NAME OF AT LEAST FIVE BETTER WAYS TO INVEST INTO THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

YET WE LIVE IN A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THE BLACK MAN OR WOMAN COULD BE MAYOR OR MAYOR PRO TEM, AND YOU DO EXACTLY WHAT THE WHITE MAN WOULD WANT.

NOTHING. BUT I'M THE ONE.

[03:25:01]

I'M THE ONE. I WILL MAKE REPARATIONS HAPPEN, WITH OR WITHOUT YOU.

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO OUR LAST SPEAKER, ZACHARY MANTU.

DID I GET THAT? FORGIVE ME IF I GOT THAT WRONG.

ALL RIGHT. HI, I'M ZACHARY MANTOOTH.

FIRST OFF, I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THEIR ELECTION.

I WAS EXCITED WE WERE GETTING TO HEAR THAT WE WERE GETTING MORE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE LOOKING TO IMPROVE OUR PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM HERE IN DENTON.

ONE OF MY BIGGEST FINANCIAL STRESSORS THIS PAST YEAR HAS BEEN CAR REPAIR COSTS.

JUST KEEPING UP WITH THE WEAR AND TEAR.

MY CAR TAKES ON THE DAILY COMMUTE TO WORK AND HAVING BUSSES, HAVING A BUS SYSTEM I COULD ACTUALLY RELY ON TO GET TO AND FROM WORK OR GO TO THE GROCERY STORE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT BE A SIGNIFICANT RELIEF ON THAT KIND OF BURDEN.

AND I IMAGINE A LOT OF DENTON NIGHTS ARE IN A SIMILAR POSITION THERE.

AND I'VE ALSO LIVED AND WORKED HERE IN DENTON FOR SEVEN YEARS NOW.

I'M A JANITOR AND IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO EVEN NOTICE THAT WE HAD BUS STOPS BECAUSE MOST OF THEM WERE JUST A SIGN STICKING OUT OF THE GROUND.

SO I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, BENCHES PUT IN MORE SHADE, ESPECIALLY AS WE GET INTO THE HOT SUMMER MONTHS BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME VERY INHOSPITABLE STRETCHES OF LIKE 288 COMES TO MIND, WHICH I SEE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WALK DOWN EVERY DAY.

I GO TO WORK.

DENTON IS A BEAUTIFUL CITY AND I THINK IT'S WORTH INVESTING IN BETTER WAYS FOR ITS CITIZENS TO TRAVEL IT.

I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THIS COUNCIL CAN GET DONE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR COMMENTS AND TAKES US TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

THERE WAS NOTHING PULLED. I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER. WHAT'S.

I MOVE APPROVAL FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.

I'LL SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER RICE.

SECOND BY MAYOR HUDSPETH.

LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION.

[A. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding a change in the zoning district and use classification from a Residential 3 (R3) to a Residential 6 (R6) District on approximately 6.52 acres of land generally located on the north side of Hercules Lane, approximately 270 feet west of the intersection of Hercules Lane and Stuart Road, in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official zoning map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [7-0] to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Smith and second by Commissioner Cole. A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL IS REQUIRED FOR APPROVAL. (Z23-0004b, Camelot Street, Julie Wyatt)]

OR PARDON ME. PUBLIC HEARING.

AND SO SO THAT'S ITEM A Z.

230004 BE HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS REGARDING A CHANGE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT AND USE CLASSIFICATION FROM A RESIDENTIAL THREE TO A RESIDENTIAL SIX DISTRICT AND APPROXIMATELY 6.52 ACRES OF LAND GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HERCULES LANE, APPROXIMATELY 270FT WEST OF INTERSECTION OF HERCULES LANE AND STUART ROAD IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

GOOD EVENING. I'M JULIE WYATT, PRINCIPAL PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF DENTON, AND I AM PRESENTING Z 20 3-0004B CAMELOT.

SO BEFORE WE GET INTO THE REQUEST, JUST A QUICK BIT OF HISTORY ON THIS ON THE SITE.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF HERCULES AND STUART ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN.

IT WAS PLATTED IN 1979 WITH 20 RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

THOSE WERE DEVELOPED AT THAT TIME WITH FOUR PLEXES AND A COUPLE OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

AND IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING IN PLACE AT THAT TIME.

AT THAT TIME, THE ZONING WAS MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

WE SUBSEQUENTLY UPDATED THE REGULATIONS IN 2002 AND THEN 2019.

ULTIMATELY, AS PART OF THAT, THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED.

IT IS NOW ZONED R3 AND THOSE USES ARE NO LONGER PERMITTED IN THAT EXISTING ZONING.

SO BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED, THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO OUR NON-CONFORMING REGULATIONS IN SUBCHAPTER ONE, WHICH COULD IMPACT THE ABILITY FOR A PROPERTY OWNER TO REBUILD IF MORE THAN 50% OF THE STRUCTURE WAS DESTROYED.

SO NOW IT GETS TO THE REQUEST.

THIS IS A CITY INITIATED REZONING.

WE DON'T DO THESE VERY OFTEN, BUT WE DO DO THEM FROM TIME TO TIME.

AND THIS IS TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 6.52 ACRES FROM R3 TO R SIX, AND THE PURPOSE IS TO ALIGN WITH THOSE EXISTING USES.

THIS CAME TO OUR ATTENTION LAST FALL WHEN A PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO CONVERT ONE OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS TO A DUPLEX AND WE SAID, WELL, THAT USE ISN'T PERMITTED.

WE DID A LITTLE DEEPER DIVE INTO IT AND REALIZED THAT THAT THE ENTIRE STREET, SAVE FOR TWO LOTS, I BELIEVE ARE NON-CONFORMING.

SO THIS WOULD ALIGN WITH THOSE EXISTING USES.

IT WOULD PROVIDE CERTAINTY FOR THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESIDENTS AND JUST ALLOW FOR CONTINUED INVESTMENT IN THOSE PROPERTIES, THOSE EXISTING FOURPLEXES.

THE WITH ANY REZONING, WE START LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

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THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOW.

RESIDENTIAL R6 DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS ALIGN WITH LOW RESIDENTIAL.

THE DENSITIES ARE A LITTLE BIT GREATER THAN WHAT THAT MAXIMUM FIVE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

WHAT WE TYPICALLY SEE IN IN LOW RESIDENTIAL.

HOWEVER, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS JUST ONE ANALYSIS POINT.

WE HAVE OTHER ANALYSIS POINTS LIKE THAT THAT R6 MEETS OTHER GOALS, LIKE OUR COMMUNITY VISION STATEMENT, OUR OUR HOUSING GOALS AS WELL AS OUR INFILL GOALS.

OUR SIX DISTRICT IS CONSISTENT WITH THESE.

IT'S CONSISTENT WITH OUR VISION STATEMENT BECAUSE IT PROVIDES THAT HOUSING CHOICE.

IT ALLOWS THAT VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL USES, COMPACT DEVELOPMENT AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PROTECTION.

IT CONFORMS TO OUR HOUSING GOALS.

ONCE AGAIN, THAT VARIETY OF HOUSING, OUR SIX PERMITS, A VARIETY OF OF RESIDENTIAL USES AND THEN INFILL.

IT JUST ALLOWS THIS REINVESTMENT IN AN EXISTING DEVELOPED AREA.

WITH ANY REZONING. WE ALSO LOOK AT IMPACTS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY.

THIS THIS PROPOSAL OR THIS THIS STAFF INITIATED REZONING IS NOT REALLY INTENDED TO TO FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

IT IS JUST TO ALIGN WITH THOSE EXISTING USES.

HOWEVER, WE DID LOOK AT IF THE PROPERTY REDEVELOPED, WHAT KIND OF STANDARDS WOULD FOLLOW AND IF ANY OF THOSE LOTS WOULD OR DID REDEVELOP, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONFORM TO OUR STREET TREE REQUIREMENTS, OUR LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, PARKING REQUIREMENTS, SITE DESIGN, FOR EXAMPLE.

RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF THE PARKING AREAS ARE IN FRONT OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

IF ONE OF THOSE FOURPLEXES WAS REMOVED AND THEY WANTED TO PUT A NEW FOUR PLEX, THAT THAT PARKING WOULD HAVE TO BE TO THE SIDE OR THE REAR.

SO JUST THOSE SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS WOULD KICK IN.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT THOSE ISSUES RELATED TO NONCONFORMITY.

I PROMISE I'M NOT GOING TO READ THIS SLIDE TO YOU.

I JUST WANT TO HIT A COUPLE OF HIGH NOTES.

FIRST, ONE THING THAT WE DID HEAR FROM PROPERTY OWNERS IS IF THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED, WHAT IMPACT WOULD WHAT WOULD IT REQUIRE OF THEM? AND REALLY, THOSE EXISTING CURRENT USES CAN STAY IN PLACE, WHETHER IT IS THAT R3 DISTRICT WHICH IS EXISTING OR IF THAT REZONING WERE APPROVED, THERE WOULD BE NO REQUIRED ACTION OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

WHERE IT COMES INTO PLAY IS IF IF IF THEY WANTED TO EXPAND THOSE USES OR IF IF THEY WANTED TO REDEVELOP ONE OF THOSE LOTS OR IF IF ONE OF THOSE LOTS, IF ONE OF THOSE STRUCTURES WAS WAS MORE THAN 50% OF THE STRUCTURE WAS DESTROYED, THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE ABLE TO REBUILD. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT THAT R6 REZONING THE PROPERTY WOULD WOULD ASSIST THEM.

IS IS THAT REINVESTMENT IN THE PROPERTY? ON PUBLIC OUTREACH WAS SENT OUT FOR THIS REQUEST.

WE DID RECEIVE OPPOSITION FROM TEN PROPERTIES.

NINE PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THAT EXCEEDS THAT 20%.

AND SO IT DOES REQUIRE A SUPERMAJORITY OR FIVE OUT OF SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS TO APPROVE APPROVE THIS CITY INITIATED REZONING.

WE DID HEAR FROM FOUR PROPERTIES IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSAL.

THE CITY HOSTED TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS TO TALK TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS.

THEY REALLY DIDN'T GIVE US A LOT OF INFORMATION AS TO WHY THEY WERE OPPOSING THAT THIS PROPOSAL.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT WE DID TRY TO REACH OUT TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST 7 TO 0 AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, AS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. AND IS THERE IS THERE ANOTHER PRESENTATION FROM I KNOW IT'S CITY STAFF INITIATED, BUT IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO.

OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU, SIR.

AND IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO IF YOU CARE TO SPEAK, YOU CAN JUST COME DOWN.

BUT QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COUNCILMEMBER MELTZER.

YES. WELL, FIRST, A COMMENT THAT THE THAT AN EXPLICIT OBJECTIVE OF THE 2019 DEVELOPMENT CODE REVISION WAS NOT TO CREATE NONCONFORMITY.

SO I TOTALLY SEE THE POINT OF THAT.

I'M JUST CURIOUS, HOW DID THIS COME ABOUT? HOW DID WHY DID THIS COME ON TO STAFF'S RADAR TO FIX THIS ONE? SO ONE OF THE OWNERS OF OF THE ONE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ON ON CAMELOT APPROACHED THE CITY LAST FALL. THEY WANTED TO CONVERT THAT TO A DUPLEX.

THEY THEY DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND THAT'S WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE ZONING AND REALIZED THAT IN 2002 THE ZONING WAS CHANGED TO IN R3 AND THEN TRANSITIONED TO R3 WITH 2019, WHICH DOES NOT PERMIT DUPLEXES, IT REALLY ONLY PERMITS THAT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM.

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THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO.

SO, JULIE, WHEN THIS CAME UP, I WENT OUT AND WALKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I SAW THE ONE PROPERTY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WOULD LIKE TO CONVERT TO A TO A DUPLEX.

AND AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY, HONESTLY, NON MULTIFAMILY.

SO I KNOW YOU YOU TOOK A STAB AT ADDRESSING THIS A SECOND AGO WHERE YOU DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD FEEL.

BUT DID THEY GIVE YOU ANY COMMENTS FOR THE RESISTANCE AT ALL? BECAUSE THIS IS IN MY TERRITORY AND I AND I WALKED THAT AREA AND I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RESISTANCE.

I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF.

WELL, AND SCOTT'S GOING TO COME UP AND HE WE WERE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING TOGETHER SO HE MIGHT HAVE MORE INFORMATION BUT I'M REALLY NOT SURE.

SCOTT MACDONNELL DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES I THINK THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION WOULD LIE IN THE PROPERTY OWNER WHEN WE HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, IT WASN'T THE INTENTION FOR ANYONE TO BE ABLE TO LOBBY FOR WHAT THEIR POSITION MIGHT HAVE BEEN.

BUT AS JULIAN INDICATED, SOMEBODY HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING SOMETHING WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND THEN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TERM, I THINK PANICKED SOME OF THOSE OR THEY HAVE PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS OF WHAT MIGHT BE THERE.

AGAIN, WHERE THAT AREA IS PRIMARILY MULTI DWELLING ALREADY.

WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IT IS AND CONSISTENCY IN THE CODE.

BUT AGAIN, SPECULATING ON WHAT I HEARD IN THAT MEETING WOULD BE IS MAYBE THEM HAVING A FEAR OF THE ABILITY FOR SOMEBODY TO PUT AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PRODUCT IN THERE.

OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT, SCOTT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER WHAT'S.

THANK YOU. IS THIS THE ONLY SINGLE FAMILY UNIT IN THAT AREA, OR IS IT.

YOU SAID THERE'S 20. THERE'S 20 BUILDINGS OR 20 STRUCTURES.

I BELIEVE THERE'S TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS ON THE STREET.

OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE GOOD RECORDS.

I DROVE AND LOOKED AT THE MAILBOXES AND IT APPEARS IT'S IT'S MOSTLY FOURPLEXES, MAYBE A COUPLE OF TRIPLEXES.

BUT THEN THAT THE TWO SINGLE FAMILY.

SO ON THE ON THE DUPLEX.

I MEAN I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S AN INTERESTING BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS WELL, I GUESS BECAUSE THIS INDIVIDUAL WOULD HAVE TO COME TECHNICALLY IF THEY WANTED TO DO THAT, TO COME DO A REZONING TO MAKE AN APPLICATION FOR REZONING.

IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE ZONING AND THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS ALLOWED BY ZONING, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME FORWARD LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, FILL OUT AN APPLICATION, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, COME MAKE A PRESENTATION AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.

SO IN ESSENCE, IF WE DO THIS, IT IT SOLVES AN ISSUE FOR PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD AN ISSUE THAT WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN COME UP WITHOUT THIS REQUEST TO DO THIS.

SO IF WE DO THIS, THAT MEANS THAT PERSON DOESN'T HAVE TO COME AND DO THAT.

IF WE REZONE THIS, IT'S IT'S A DONE DEAL FOR THEM.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS.

OKAY? THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.

THEY'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WELL.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION IS HAVE HAVE THEY EVEN LOOKED AT? BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN PEOPLE HAVE LOOKED AT CHANGING SINGLE FAMILY TO DUPLEX, THERE'S ALSO ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS THAT SAY YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE WHAT IS IT BECAUSE I MEAN SOMETIMES SO MANY UNITS PER ACRE.

AND SO HAS ANYBODY LOOKED TO SAY THAT? OKAY. IF THIS IS A REGULAR RESIDENTIAL LOT AND THEY WANT TO PUT TWO UNITS THERE, WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE AS DENSITY? NO LONGER PART OF IT, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO AS LONG AS THEY CAN DO THAT, AS LONG AS IT MEETS PARKING REQUIREMENTS, SETBACKS.

YES. THOSE LANDSCAPING, IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET ALL THOSE SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS.

YES, SIR. OKAY. WELL, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND EITHER.

AND I'VE TALKED TO SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE OPPOSITION WAS.

I THINK SOME OF IT WAS NOT SO MUCH, I DON'T THINK, AS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT, AS IT WAS JUST THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING THIS WAS BROUGHT FORTH FOR SOMEONE CONVERTING A SINGLE FAMILY TO A DUPLEX BY ADDING ON OR JUST SPLITTING THE HOUSE UP? I BELIEVE IT WOULD JUST BE SPLITTING THE HOUSE UP.

BUT WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY APPLICATIONS, SO WE DON'T QUITE KNOW HOW IT WOULD.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. SURE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO IF THERE'S ANYONE CARES TO SPEAK, YOU CAN COME DOWN AND SPEAK.

SEEING NONE. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

MAYOR PRO TEM. I MOVE APPROVAL.

COUNCILMAN MCGEE SECOND.

MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. SEEING NONE.

LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES.

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SEVEN ZERO. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, TAKES US TO OUR INDIVIDUAL ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION.

WE HAVE THREE SELECTION OF A CHAIR AND AND A CHAIR PRO TEM FOR THE SPECIAL CITIZENS BOARD.

[A. Selection of a Chair and Chair Pro Tem for the Special Citizens Bond Advisory Committee.]

SPECIAL CITIZENS BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION? SEE NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS. GREAT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE.

I WANT TO MOVE THAT KEVIN RODEN BE NAMED THE CHAIR.

IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCILWOMAN. BYRD. OKAY.

DISCUSSION. AND SO YOU CAN ADJUST THE SO IT'D BE MOTION BY MAYOR HUDSPETH SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD.

UM. WELL, I'LL LET YOU UPDATE THAT.

GUESS.

SO DO YOU NEED.

THERE WE GO. OKAY.

MOST OF OUR BIERI HUDSPETH SEEING BY COUNCILMAN BYRD.

AND FORGIVE ME, TRANSLATORS FOR TALKING TOO FAST.

SORRY. A DISCUSSION.

SEE ME, I PRETEND.

I APPRECIATE THE NOMINATION.

I THINK THE PEOPLE HAVE EXPERTISE.

I THINK I'D LIKE TO MAKE THIS FOCUS MORE ON, YOU KNOW, FOLKS THAT THAT WE DON'T NORMALLY HEAR FROM.

SO I'M GOING TO BE PROPOSING A DIFFERENT GROUP OF LEADERSHIP, NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH WHAT THE MAYOR IS PROPOSING.

GREAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. COUNCILMAN.

MCGEE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I APPRECIATE MAYOR PRO MS COMMENTS.

I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING THE SAME THING.

I THINK COUNCILMEMBER RHODEN IS GREAT, BUT I TRY TO DO SOMETHING INTENTIONAL WITH MY WITH MY PICKS.

I TRIED TO FIND NEW PEOPLE.

ONE OF MY CORE TENANTS OF THIS PROCESS IS I WANT TO BRING NEW VOICES INTO THE PROCESS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE PROCESS BEFORE.

I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF GREAT FOLKS HERE, BUT PERSONALLY, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF ANY EX MEMBER OF THIS BODY SERVING AS CHAIR.

I THINK WE HAVE SOME SOME GREAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN MEMBERS OF THIS BODY WHO ALSO DESERVE AN OPPORTUNITY AT THEIR THEIR SEAT IN LEADERSHIP.

SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE THE MOTION FOR THAT REASON.

THANK YOU, MR. WATTS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THE TO THE CANDIDATES.

I GUESS I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE CHOOSING THEM ANYWAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY. IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A COMMITTEE OF THE CITIZENS, WHY THE CITIZENS CAN'T CHOOSE THEIR OWN CHAIR, WHICH WAS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED TWO WEEKS AGO BUT DIDN'T WIN THE DAY. SO BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT WAS DECIDED.

OKAY. SEEING.

NO ONE ELSE IN QUEUE.

LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT PASSES FOR THREE.

SO NOW FOR THE VICE CHAIR, I WOULD NOMINATE JULIE JULIANNE RIMSKY.

AND IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY SO MOTION BY MAYOR HUDSPETH, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND.

YEAH. GOT IT.

AND I'LL GIVE YOU A SECOND TO ADJUST THAT.

THERE WE GO. DISCUSSION.

COUNCILWOMAN MELTZER I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE NOMINEE.

I'D LOVE TO HEAR MORE.

I HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE IN MIND WHO I THINK WILL BE APPEALING TO TO THE TO THIS BODY.

BUT SO I'M AT THE MOMENT INCLINED TO RESERVE MY.

YES. AND UNTIL I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF THERE'S INTEREST IN THAT PERSON.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I, TOO, THINK MS..

RIMSKY IS GREAT. HAVING SAID THAT, AGAIN, NEW VOICES INTO THE PROCESS.

IT CONCERNS ME THAT GIVEN SUCH A LARGE POPULATION OF MILLENNIALS AND OTHER YOUNG PEOPLE IN THIS CITY, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO EVEN CONSIDER ONE OF THEM FOR LEADERSHIP.

SO I'LL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS NOMINATION BECAUSE I BELIEVE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS A WIDE SWATH OF OPINIONS AND VOICES AS REPRESENTED IN LEADERSHIP, SO I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS NOMINATION. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GOT IT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD.

[03:45:06]

I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE NOMINATION.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT WITH MY SUPPORT OF KEVIN RHODEN, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE WAS ON BOARD THAT HAD SOME BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE AS TO HOW THINGS PLAY OUT.

BUT THIS PARTICULAR NOMINATION, I'M NOT REAL SURE WHO THIS INDIVIDUAL IS.

SO I LIKE TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IN DEPTH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER. WHAT'S.

YEAH, I'M JUST GOING TO EXPRESS MY THANKS ABOUT THE LAST TIME I DIDN'T GO TO THE.

WE HAD TO LET THE COMMITTEE DO IT, BUT I'LL CERTAINLY BE VOTING ON THIS MEASURE.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND.

I THINK. COUNCIL MEMBER.

BYRD MAKES AN EXCELLENT POINT.

WE NEED PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING THIS THING THAT THAT KNOW, THAT KNOW WHAT TO DO AND HAVE HAVE HAVE DONE IT BEFORE.

I'M NOT POSITIVE THAT SHE'S BEEN IN A LEADERSHIP POSITION ON A COMMITTEE LIKE THIS BEFORE, BUT I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE IN HER.

I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE NOMINATION.

OKAY. AND I'LL JUST SAY I I'M GOING TO DISTANCE FROM THE THE AGE TOPIC.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S PRODUCTIVE TO SIMPLY QUALIFY OR DISQUALIFY SOMEONE BASED ON THEIR AGE.

I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS THAT WHY YOU SUPPORT SOMEONE.

I DON'T I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT AS OUR COMMUNITY GETS OLDER, AS OUR COMMUNITY GETS YOUNGER, EITHER WAY, I WANT QUALIFIED PEOPLE AND I'M GOING TO VET THEM BASED ON THEIR MERITS AND NOT WHEN THEY WERE BORN.

YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD MEASURE OF A PERSON.

SO AND SO THAT'S JUST ME.

BUT SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.

LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT FAILS FOR TWO, THREE AND COUNCIL MEMBER.

ESSER. YES.

I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE SUSIE RUMORE FOR VICE CHAIR WHO IS ACTUALLY AN INTERESTING COMBINATION OF FAIRLY NEW AND YET EXPERIENCED.

AND HIGHLY DILIGENT AND COMPETENT.

I THINK AN INTERESTINGLY I'LL JUST ADD A LITTLE MORE.

IT WAS INDEPENDENTLY NOMINATED TO THE TO THIS BODY BY FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS AND BY ME, COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. ARE YOU STILL IN LINE TO SPEAK OR IS THAT JUST LEFT OVER? I THINK IT'S LEFT OVER. GOT IT.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN.

MCGEE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I AGREE.

I LIKE THAT PIC.

I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT? I LIKE THAT PIC FOR THE REASONS THAT THE MAYOR JUST LAUDED PRAISE ON HER DOWN FRONT.

I THINK. I THINK THAT'S PRETTY FANTASTIC.

CLEARLY THE MAYOR AGREES. I'M GOING TO GO WITH IT.

OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM B ID 23688.

[B. Consider approval of a resolution authorizing the creation of a Steering Committee to guide the development of the Southeast Denton Area Plan, generally bounded by East McKinney Street to the north, South Bell Avenue to the west, Dallas Drive and Shady Oaks Drive to the south, and South Woodrow Lane to the east; and providing an effective date.]

CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CREATION OF A STEERING COMMITTEE TO GUIDE THE DEVELOPMENT OF SOUTHEAST DENTON AREA PLAN, GENERALLY BOUND BY EAST MCKINNEY STREET TO THE NORTH SOUTH BELL AVENUE TO THE WEST, DALLAS DRIVE AND SHADY OAKS DRIVE TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTH AND SOUTH. WOODROW LANE TO THE EAST.

THAT'S WEIRD. SOUTH WOODROW TO THE EAST AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

GOOD EVENING, JULIE WYATT.

EXCUSE ME. THIS WILL BE PRETTY QUICK.

THIS IS A PART OF THE AREA PLAN THAT WE HAVE RECENTLY KICKED OFF FOR SOUTHEAST DENTON.

WE HAD THE LISTENING SESSIONS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND WE'RE FORMULATING THE NEXT ROUND OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

BUT WE WANT TO ESTABLISH A STEERING COMMITTEE TO HELP SHEPHERD THIS PROJECT THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECT STAYS ON TRACK AND TO MAKE SURE THAT TO RESPOND TO ANY PROPOSALS OR OR ANALYSIS THAT THAT THE PROJECT TEAM HAS. SO RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE FIVE MEMBERS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THE STEERING COMMITTEE.

THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING.

AS THE PROJECT CONTINUES TO BUILD MOMENTUM, WE DO EXPECT TO ADD MORE MEMBERS FOR A MAXIMUM OF 15.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT STAYS AS SMALL ENOUGH GROUP TO BE MANAGEABLE FOR FOR THE THE PLANNING EFFORTS.

IN FACT, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE THAT HAVE HAVE AGREED AND THAT WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU IN THE COMING WEEKS TO ADD THOSE TO THE GROUP.

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WE'RE ALSO NETWORKING WITH OTHER GROUPS TO TO TO GET MORE ON THE COMMITTEE.

SO THE COMMITTEE NAMES ARE IN FRONT OF YOU.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

COUNCILWOMAN MELTZER.

YEAH, I'D JUST BE INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT THE SEQUENCE OF COMMUNICATIONS OR RELATIONSHIP HAS BEEN BETWEEN THIS PROJECT AND SOUTHEAST DENTON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

SO, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE SUCH A VITAL PART OF THAT COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE BEEN ATTENDING THEIR MEETINGS TO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE SOUTHEAST DENTON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

WE'VE ALSO BEEN IN CONTACT WITH MISS COLETTE AND AND PASTOR LOGAN.

AND SO WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO GO IN FRONT OF THEM AND AND KEEP COORDINATING WITH THEM TO ENSURE THAT THEY STAY A VITAL PART OF THIS OF THIS PLAN. IF I CAN JUST ASK A BIT MORE ON THAT POINT.

YEAH. IS THERE IS THERE BEEN INTEREST EXPRESSED IN THE PART OF SARA AND PARTICIPATING IN THE IN THE PROCESS? NOT YET WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE, BUT WE'RE CONTINUED TO WORK WITH THEM TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A MEMBER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ON THE COMMITTEE.

IF ON THE RESOLUTION, THEY'VE GOT ALL OF THE CATEGORIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO FILL FOR FOR THE STEERING COMMITTEE AND A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THEM. SO, YEAH, IT IS SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO FILL.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH.

THE FIVE NOMINEES ARE KNOWN, YOU KNOW, WONDERFUL ADVOCATES FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ZERO PROBLEM WITH THEM.

AS I PUT INTO THE BACKUP QUESTIONS, I SORT OF LIKE, WHAT DO WE WHAT DO YOU THINK WE NEED TO DO TO WE HAD, WHAT WAS IT, 36 CONTACTS, BUT WE'VE ONLY GOTTEN FIVE HITS.

AND SO WHAT DO WE THINK WE NEED TO DO TO GET BETTER, BETTER HITS TO MORE, MORE FEEDBACK, MORE MORE ENGAGEMENT? BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THESE THINGS DO BETTER WHEN WHEN MORE NEIGHBORS ARE ARE FEEDBACK OR PROVIDE FEEDBACK.

ABSOLUTELY. SO WE HAVE BEEN LEVERAGING OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND WITH OUR CONTACTS WITHIN THE SOUTHEAST DENTON AREA. WE'RE CONTINUING TO REACH OUT.

WE WE HAD THE LISTENING SESSIONS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER POTENTIAL, A BIT OR MORE LISTENING SESSIONS TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, GET MORE PARTICIPATION. WE'RE ALSO REACHING OUT TO LULAC.

WE'RE GOING TO BE ATTENDING THEIR MEETING THIS SATURDAY BECAUSE WHAT WE'D LIKE, WE'D REALLY LIKE 1 OR 2 MEMBERS FROM FROM LULAC TO BE A PART OF THIS.

WE ALSO WANT YOUNG PEOPLE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING POP UPS AT THE AT THE JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION AND JUST CONTINUING TO TO TRY TO BUILD THAT MOMENTUM.

NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.

I WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT VERY SUGGESTION.

SO I'M GLAD YOU'RE YOU'RE WELL IN ADVANCE OF ME.

AND I WILL I WILL JUST ENCOURAGE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT LIVE IN IN WELL WITHIN EYESHOT OF OF THIS REGION.

SO IF YOU ALL COULD LEVERAGE YOUR INFLUENCE AND GET MORE STAKEHOLDERS, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.

I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

COUNCILWOMAN. WHAT'S. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I HAD THIS SAME OBSERVATION.

DOESN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF CONCERN YET THAT I HAD WITH THE.

IS IT NORTH EAST? YOUR SMALL AREA PLAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WHEN I WHEN I LOOKED AT THE MEMBERSHIP THERE, VERY FEW ACTUALLY.

SOME MIGHT HAVE OWNED PROPERTY THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY LIVED THERE, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THEM, THEY HAD SOME THINGS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY.

BUT SO I HOPE WHEN I READ THESE THESE CATEGORIES THAT THAT THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THIS PLAN THAT ONLY 2 OR 3 PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THEY OWN PROPERTY, I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO BE KIND OF SELF-DEFEATING.

SO I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT GETTING A WHOLE LOT OF INTEREST AND WE WANT TO BUILD THIS, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD WIND UP LANDING WITH AT LEAST A MAJORITY OF THEM THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, IN WHATEVER THIS AREA IS DEFINED AS, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, ON THE MAP.

SO IS THAT REALLY THE GOAL OR IS IT I MEAN, SO YOU COULD FILL NEARLY YOU'VE GOT ONE THAT SAYS RESIDENT THAT'S A SPECIFIC ONE RESIDENT UNDER THE AGE OF 40 IS THAT RESIDENT UNDER THE AGE OF 40, A RESIDENT WITHIN THE PLAN AREA.

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OKAY. SO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION GROUP LIAISON SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE WORKING ON THAT FOR SOMEONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY BUSINESS OWNER, IS THAT A BUSINESS OWNER THAT HAS A BUSINESS IN IN THE AREA? OKAY. HOUSING ADVOCATE DOES THAT MEAN THEY HAVE HOUSING IN THE AREA, OWNS PROPERTY WITHIN OR.

YES. HAS WORKED WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY? YES. ALL RIGHT. AND PARKS AND RECREATION BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFICATION BOARD MEMBER.

IS THAT JUST IS THAT SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN THE AREA THAT'S ON THE PARKS BOARD OR IS THAT JUST SOMEBODY WHO'S ON THE PARKS BOARD? SHE LIVES IN A TINA FERGUSON'S DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

SO SHE LIVES OUTSIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT SHE'S INVOLVED IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD.

AND SO THAT'S WHY SHE'S BEEN WILLING TO SERVE.

SHE IS ALSO ATTENDS THE SOUTHEAST DENTON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS.

SO WE HEAR YOUR CONCERN.

I CAN ASSURE YOU THE TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING FOR SEVERAL MONTHS ON TRYING TO IDENTIFY PERSONS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE BUSINESS OWNER PARTICIPANTS, LEADERS ALSO WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

WE'VE TRIED LEVERAGING THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT THAT WE HAVE THAT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE IN HELPING US IDENTIFY PEOPLE.

AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY IN THAT REGARD, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF OUR LISTENING SESSIONS.

WE WERE HOPING WE WOULD GET MORE FOLKS THAT WERE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN THE PROJECT EFFORT UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S ALSO A COMMITMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.

AND SO IT'S WE'RE AND THEN WE'RE DEALING WITH SOME PAST HARM AND ISSUES AND WORKING THROUGH THAT DYNAMIC.

AND SO SOME OF THAT MAY FACTOR INTO THIS AND PEOPLE'S RELUCTANCE TO PARTICIPATE.

SO BUT TO THE TEAM'S CREDIT, THEY'VE REALLY BEEN WORKING HARD TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS AND TRYING TO GET KEY PARTICIPANTS WHO ARE WILLING TO COMMIT TO THIS PROJECT AND BE ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS.

SO WE'RE WE CONTINUE TO TRY TO LEVERAGE RELATIONSHIPS.

WE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS SLATE OF OFFICERS OR EXCUSE ME, THIS SLATE OF PARTICIPANTS BECAUSE THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO THE PROJECT.

WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THEM AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THEM ENGAGED AND NEED TO START MOVING FORWARD.

BUT WE WILL CONTINUE WORKING ON LEVERAGING RELATIONSHIPS AND BRINGING ADDITIONAL FOLKS FORWARD FOR COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO APPOINT TO THE COMMITTEE, SHOULD WE HAVE ADDITIONAL PERSONS WHO ARE INTERESTED. AND I KNOW I THINK WE RECEIVED TWO NAMES TODAY THAT WE WERE TRYING TO BE ABLE TO GET ADDED AND SO WE WERE NOT ABLE TO, I GUESS, GET GET THE PAPERWORK PROCESS AS QUICKLY. BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE PERSONS BROUGHT BACK FOR US SO THE COUNCIL CAN CHOOSE TO APPOINT THOSE AS WELL.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

THANK YOU. MAYOR JULIE, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE SENSITIVITY TO WHICH YOU'RE TREATING THIS PROJECT AND THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR ALSO REACHING OUT TO OTHER GROUPS OF PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY LILAC.

SO I HEARD YOU ANSWER MAYOR PRO TEM QUESTION.

SO WHEN YOU SIT DOWN, DISREGARD THAT EMAIL I JUST SENT YOU TWO MINUTES AGO.

OH, ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

COUNCILMEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD.

I'M JUST READING HERE WHERE IT SAYS STEERING COMMITTEES ARE MOST EFFECTIVE WITH A MAXIMUM OF 10 TO 15 MEMBERS.

I BELIEVE WE ALREADY HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SEVEN.

YES. ADDING WITH THE TWO THAT WE CALLED IN ON.

SO I THINK WE'RE JUST WE'RE TRACKING ALONG IF WE CAN GET SOME FOLKS FROM LULAC TO COME ON AND STEP ON IN FOR THOSE LAST FEW ROLES THERE, THAT'LL BE NICE. AND OF COURSE, I'LL KEEP TRYING TO DO MY BEST TO FIND SOMEONE FROM THAT AREA.

SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

WE ARE THIS IS MY THING.

I'M REALLY, REALLY HOPING THAT WE CAN JUMP OFF AND AND MAKE THEM VERY SO PROUD OF THEIR COMMUNITY.

I'M JUST AND I ATTEND THE MEETINGS LIKE YOU DO, AND I THINK THAT WE'RE GETTING A BETTER CONSENSUS.

YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS THERE, THEY SEEM TO BE MORE TRUSTING OF THE.

I'M GLAD TO KIND OF FEEL THAT WAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, BUT THAT'S A FEELING THAT I'M GETTING WHEN WE MEET EVERY MONTH.

BUT I'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT FROM MY FROM MY END.

THANK YOU. AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU ALL HAVE HELPED US WITH AND WE'RE EXCITED.

AND MOMENTUM IS BUILDING.

SO. OKAY.

SO IS THERE A MOTION? GOT IT. YEAH. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MELTZER.

MELTZER SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

ERIC DIDN'T ACTUALLY MOVE THAT.

I'M HAPPY TO, THOUGH. OH, IT WAS ON THERE.

I WASN'T SURE. OKAY, WELL, SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION TO DO IT.

GOODNESS. MOTION BY MAYOR HUDSPETH.

IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCIL MEMBER.

MCGEE SECOND.

THANK YOU. MOTION BY MAYOR HUDSPETH.

SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER.

MCGEE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

PASSES. SEVEN ZERO.

TAKES US TO ITEM C.

[C. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton, approving an application for a partial tax exemption of designated historic sites, in accordance with Chapter 10, Article VI, Sections 10-126 through 10-129 of the Denton Municipal Code of Ordinances, for a Local Historic Landmark, located at 1314 N Locust Street, located on the northeast corner of N Locust Street and E 3rd Street; providing for severability; and providing an effective date. (HL23-0001a, 1314 N Locust Street - Tax Exemption, Cameron Robertson) The Historic Landmark Commission recommends a favorable determination (4-0).]

HL 230001A CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON APPROVING AN APPLICATION FOR A PARTIAL TAX EXEMPTION OF

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DESIGNATED HISTORIC SITES.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

CAMERON ROBERTSON, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER.

THIS IS FOR 1314 NORTH LOCUST HISTORIC TAX EXEMPTION.

SO THIS IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF LOCUST STREET AND EAST THIRD STREET.

THE APPLICANT IS TIM DEPALMA.

IT IS A LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK THAT WAS DESIGNATED IN 1982.

THIS IS FOR APPROVAL UNDER SECTION TEN DASH 128 OF THE CITY ORDINANCE.

THEY DID HAVE A NUMBER OF REPAIRS, AMOUNTING IN $48,772.78.

THIS INCLUDED FOUNDATION WORK INSPECTIONS, CAD DRAWINGS REPORT, AS WELL AS UPGRADES TO THEIR ELECTRICAL SYSTEM AND THEIR DRAINAGE.