[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding a potential amendment to the Fiscal Year 2022-23 Annual Internal Audit Plan. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 15 minutes]]

SO THAT TAKES US TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION ITEM, WHICH IS ITEM A ID 231173 RECEIVE REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING A POTENTIAL AMENDMENT TO THE FISCAL YEAR 20 2223 ANNUAL INTERNAL AUDIT PLAN.

HELLO MAYOR AND COUNCIL IN MADISON, RORSCHACH DENTON CITY AUDITOR.

I'M HERE TO PRESENT THIS POTENTIAL AMENDMENT TO THE ANNUAL AUDIT PLAN FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR.

SO TO BEGIN, THE POTENTIAL AMENDMENT IS INTENDED TO DELAY THE POLICE PROPERTY ROOM INVENTORY PROJECT AND THE AUDIT OF THE POLICE PROPERTY ROOM.

SECOND FOLLOW UP REVIEW, WHICH WERE ORIGINALLY APPROVED AS PART OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 AUDIT PLAN.

THIS AMENDMENT IS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD BECAUSE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REPORTED THAT THEY WERE HAVING ISSUES WITH THEIR RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT AUDIT BELIEVES WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY HINDER THE EFFECTIVENESS OF A PROPERTY ROOM.

INVENTORY WOULD REQUIRE MORE STAFF TIME THAN WOULD OTHERWISE BE NECESSARY AND WOULD LIKELY IMPACT THE RESULTS OF THE SECOND FOLLOW UP REVIEW.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY FROM POLICE IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT FURTHER, BUT BASED ON THAT SITUATION WE ARE RECOMMENDING, WE RECOMMEND IT TO THE INTERNAL AUDIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT THE TWO PROJECTS BE DELAYED AND REPLACED ON THE CURRENT CURRENT AUDIT PLAN, WHICH THE COMMITTEE AGREED WITH.

SO BASED ON THEIR RECOMMENDATION.

AND THE FOUR OPTIONS ON THE SLIDE WERE IDENTIFIED TO POTENTIALLY REPLACE THE TWO POLICE PROJECTS IF COUNCIL SO CHOOSES.

ONE INTERNAL AUDIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBER DID RECOMMEND THAT THE TWO SECOND FOLLOW UP REVIEWS BE SELECTED AS THE REPLACEMENT PROJECTS.

SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE AUDIT OF ACCOUNTS PAYABLE AND THE AUDIT OF FACILITIES MAINTENANCE, AND THEN NO OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS GAVE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO BASICALLY, IN SUMMARY, YOU CAN GIVE DIRECTION TO REPLACE THE TWO PROJECTS OR NOT BASED ON YOUR DISCUSSION.

OKAY. AND I WAS IN THE CAMP OF JUST TAKING THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE MEMBER, BUT COUNCILMAN MELTZER.

YEAH, I MEAN, JUST ON THE FACE OF IT.

AND I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT IT'S NOT THE WAY IT LOOKS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THIS WAS A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE THAT NOBODY THOUGHT WAS POSSIBLE TO HAPPEN WITH KIND OF CATASTROPHIC RESULTS.

AND I WOULD TEE UP FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THE IDEA OF STAYING ON THAT TOPIC, BUT UNDERSTANDING WHETHER IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN AND WHY WE BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK IT COULD HAPPEN BEFORE, I'M SURE.

AND THEN ALSO THE FACT THAT IT'S 300,000 ITEMS THAT HAVE TO BE MANUALLY RESEARCHED.

I MEAN. WHAT IS WHAT IS THE BEST PRACTICE? I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO ANSWER THIS, BUT A TOPIC COULD BE WHAT IS THE BEST PRACTICE FOR DISASTER RECOVERY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY RECORDS YOU CAN DO IN A.

IN A DAY.

HOW LONG IS IT WOULD IT TAKE TO DO 300,000 MANUAL ENTRIES? AND WHAT ARE THE RISKS TO THE CITY WHILE THAT STUFF ISN'T? BUT I'M GOING TO LET ALL THAT.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. COUNCIL FRANK DIXON, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

COUNCILMEMBER MELTZER SO FOR REFERENCE, I'D LIKE TO TAKE EVERYONE BACK TO 2018 WHEN THIS PROJECT REALLY FIRST GOT OFF THE GROUND.

WE FOUND THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT PROCESSES POLICIES THAT WE WERE BEHIND IN, IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO TO REFERENCE THIS AS A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE I DON'T THINK IS COMPLETELY TRUE IN THAT SENSE.

THERE WERE SOME ANTIQUATED PROCESSES IN PLACE.

SO IN 2019 WE BROUGHT IN A CONSULTANT.

WHO CAME IN AND LOOKED AT OUR PROPERTY ROOM AND OUR EVIDENCE PRACTICES.

WE WENT THROUGH ABOUT A SEVEN MONTH PROCESS OF GOING IN, GETTING COURT ORDERS TO BE ABLE TO DESTROY EVIDENCE THAT WAS NO LONGER NEEDED FOR CRIMINAL CASES.

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MOVING THOSE OUT, WHICH THEN LED US INTO THE END OF THE 2019 BOND PACKAGE, WHICH THEN LED INTO THE FACILITY.

STARTING THE PROCESS OF GETTING READY TO START CONSTRUCTION ON THE FACILITY.

WHICH THEN LED US TO HAVE TO MOVE ALL 200 PLUS THOUSAND ITEMS OUT OF THE POLICE PROPERTY ROOM TO A TEMPORARY LOCATION.

NOW WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THE REVERSE OF THAT AS THEY GET CLOSER TO THE END OF THE CONSTRUCTION.

NOW IT'S MOVING ALL OF THOSE BACK.

AND TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO TRACK EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

SO MEANING THAT STAFF HAS TO GO IN AND PHYSICALLY TOUCH THOSE 300,000 PLUS ITEMS TO RECONCILE THEM GOING BACK INTO THE PERMANENT LOCATION, WHICH IS THE REASON WHY WE WANT TO PUT THIS AUDIT OFF, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY SETTING STAFF UP TO FAIL ON THE FRONT END BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT READY TO BE DONE.

SO PART OF THIS PROCESS IS TRACKING THEM ALL BACK INTO THE PERMANENT LOCATION WHEN THEY GET TO THAT POINT.

AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THIS IS LAST YEAR, TECHNOLOGY SERVICES BROUGHT IN BARRY DUNN TO DO AN ASSESSMENT ON OUR EMS SYSTEM RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WHICH WE KNEW WAS WOEFULLY UNDERPERFORMING.

THE RESULT OF THAT HAS COME BACK IN.

THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A COMPREHENSIVE RFP TO GO OUT TO LOOK FOR A BETTER PRODUCT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO TRACK ALL THESE THINGS ELECTRONICALLY USING BARCODES AND REALLY TAKING OUT THE MANUAL PROCESSES AND GOING INTO WHERE WE SHOULD BE LEVERAGING TECHNOLOGY.

YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTION ABOUT, LIKE, WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO.

DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO DO.

I'M TOTALLY CLEAR ON THAT.

BUT THE I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS UNDER THE SAME GENERAL HEADING.

YOU KNOW, OUR. IS THE DISASTER RECOVERY THE BEST PRACTICE? I DON'T KNOW. HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WOULD TAKE TO MANUALLY DO 300,000 ITEMS? AND WHAT RISKS DO WE BEAR? WELL, IT'S GOING TO TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS, PROBABLY.

I DON'T KNOW, SIX MONTHS OR SO TO BE ABLE TO TOUCH ALL OF THOSE IN A PROPERLY GET THEM DOCUMENTED BACK IN PLACE.

IF YOU TOLD ME TEN YEARS, I WOULDN'T HAVE I WOULDN'T HAVE DISBELIEVED YOU.

SO THAT'S THAT'S GREAT.

ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, I JUST TEED IT UP FOR CONSIDERATION, AND I'M IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD MY QUESTION, STILL THINK NO, THE RIGHT THING IS TO DO THE RECOMMENDATION.

I DON'T OBJECT TO IT, BUT.

YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE A.

BIG, OBVIOUS PROBLEM.

OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO I'LL TIE IT UP WITH MY DIRECTION FIRST.

I'M FINE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES WE FIND OURSELVES IN.

IF I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP, SORT OF IS WHAT ARE THE PERCEIVED RISKS OF THE 6 OR 9 MONTH LAG IN, YOU KNOW, IN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE DOING A RISK MANAGEMENT ASSESSMENT AND THAT ACTUALLY FEELS MORE OF AN AUDIT QUESTION BUT, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER WANTS TO ANSWER IT.

UM, I THINK THE CURRENT PROBLEM IS THE SYSTEM IS NOT UP TO DATE.

RIGHT. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T HAVE RECORD OF EVERY ITEM.

IT JUST MEANS THAT IT'S NOT IN A EASILY SEARCHABLE SYSTEM IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

SO THEY HAVE FILES THAT DETAIL WHAT EVERY ITEM IS SO WE CAN STILL KEEP TRACK OF ALL OF THOSE.

AND AS THEY MOVE THE INVENTORY BACK IN, THEY'RE GOING TO BASICALLY DO AN INVENTORY THEMSELVES.

SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO COME IN AT THE SAME TIME AND DO ONE.

AND THEN DOING THE FOLLOW UP DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AT THIS POINT EITHER, BECAUSE WE WOULD BASICALLY BE CHECKING THAT THOSE SYSTEMS ARE ACCURATE, BUT IN THE PROCESS OF REDOING THEM.

SO I HOPE THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

NO, I THAT'S HALF MY ANSWER.

I GUESS THE OTHER HALF OF MY ANSWER IS IN A CIRCUMSTANCE LIKE THIS AND THIS IS NOT ME POINTING THE FINGER, THIS IS FOR MORE OF THE THE WHERE HE ENDED WITH DISASTER PLANNING. AND WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE ACKNOWLEDGED RISKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, DELAY IN TIME LEADING TO SALARY AND AND I MEAN CATEGORICAL RISKS THAT WE APPROACH WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES NOW. AND JUST SO I UNDERSTAND FROM SORT OF MORE OF AN EDUCATION PURPOSES, WHAT ARE THE CIRCUMSTANCES WE FIND OURSELVES IN AND WHAT ARE THE RISKS OF THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES TO FURTHER ACTION? YEAH, I THINK WITHOUT THE SYSTEM RIGHT, IT'S EASIER THAT ITEMS WILL BE IN THE PROPERTY ROOM FOR LONGER THAN WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN RID OF THEM.

AND THAT IS SOME RISK FOR WHERE THE SPACE SPACE IS OBVIOUSLY A HUGE ISSUE WITH PROPERTY ROOMS. SO THAT'S A RISK, I MEAN.

I GUESS THAT'S THE BIGGEST RISK. I DON'T KNOW.

DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER? YOU LIKE THAT ANSWER? NOW, I THINK THE RISK IS THIS A SPACE.

YOU KNOW, I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT WE HAVE NOT LOST ANY ITEMS. NONE OF THESE ITEMS HAVE BEEN MISPLACED EITHER BEFORE THE PROCESS STARTED, DURING THE PURGE OF ALL THE ITEMS INTO THEIR TEMPORARY LOCATION OR WHERE THEY'RE AT NOW.

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SO STAFF HAS PHYSICALLY TOUCHED EVERY SINGLE ITEM THAT THEY HAVE.

THEY HAVE ACCOUNTING FOR THEM.

IT'S JUST OFF OF SPREADSHEETS AND KIND OF ANTIQUATED SYSTEMS. SO LIKE I SAID, LOOKING FORWARD IS GETTING THEM BACK IN PLACE INTO THE THEIR FINAL LOCATION AND THEN TAKING ALL THAT MANUAL AND PUT IT INTO TECHNOLOGY BASED.

THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BUT I DO HAVE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY BECAUSE I HAD A QUESTION.

BUT YOU TOUCHED ON IT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD YOU RIGHT.

THE ISSUE IS NOT A.

DIGITAL FAILURE OF ANY SORT.

IT'S A LACK OF A DIGITAL SOLUTION AND WE'RE TRANSITIONING TO A DIGITAL SOLUTION, AND THAT'S A MANUAL ENTRY PROCESS TO GET TO WHERE NOW IT WILL BE AUTOMATED.

CORRECT. YEAH. SO NOTHING FAILED.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

NOTHING FAILED. WE JUST HAD AN ANTIQUATED SYSTEM THAT WE'RE NOW DIGITIZING.

CORRECT. THE SYSTEM DID NOT WORK AS INTENDED.

OKAY. GOT IT.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. A MADISON THREE.

CLEARLY TO GO WITH THE SECOND.

THE TWO SECOND FOLLOW UP REVIEW.

SO THAT'S FOUR THEN? YES, I'M GOOD. OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the FY 2023-24 Capital Budget. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 1 hour]]

AND THAT TAKES US TO ITEM B.

ID 23268.

RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE FY 2023 2024 CAPITAL BUDGET.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL.

KASEY OGDEN, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

HERE TO PRESENT THE CAPITAL BUDGET, THE PRELIMINARY CAPITAL BUDGET FOR FY 24.

BEFORE I GET STARTED, I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE MY BUDGET TEAM.

THEY HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN WORKING SINCE NOVEMBER TO PUT TOGETHER THIS FIVE YEAR CAPITAL BUDGET THAT YOU'RE THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO REVIEW.

BUT MATT HAMILTON IS OUR FINANCIAL ANALYST SUPERVISOR.

THIS IS REALLY HIS BABY.

HE HANDLES ALL OF THE CAPITAL BUDGETING.

HIM AND HIS TEAM. SO HE'S BEEN DOING THE HARD WORK OF COMPILING ALL THIS AND KEEPING EVERYTHING ON TRACK.

SO I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THE ENTIRE BUDGET TEAM, BUT WANTED TO GIVE A BIG SHOUT OUT TO MATT.

ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS A PRETTY LENGTHY PRESENTATION BECAUSE THERE IS SUCH A LARGE CAPITAL BUDGET.

WE WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU THE UTILITY FUNDS.

YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WASTEWATER IS MISSING FROM THE LIST.

THAT IS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT FINISHED YET COMPLETING OUR CAPITAL AND BUDGET REVIEW OF WASTEWATER.

WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING THAT BACK AT A LATER DATE.

BUT WE DO HAVE ELECTRIC WATER AND SOLID WASTE FOR YOU TODAY.

AND THEN GENERAL GOVERNMENT FUNDS WILL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF THE PREVIOUS BOND PROGRAMS AND THEN TALK ABOUT PRELIMINARY DEBT RATES.

SO JUST SO YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE STRUCTURE OF THE BOOK, I KNOW YOU HAVE AN ELECTRONIC VERSION, BUT EACH SLIDE WILL GIVE YOU A REFERENCE TO THE PAGE NUMBER SO THAT YOU CAN FLIP TO THAT PAGE NUMBER OR DO A CONTROL F TO SEARCH FOR THE KEYWORDS.

BUT LET US KNOW IF YOU NEED ANY HELP NAVIGATING THE BOOK ITSELF.

SO EACH SECTION HAS KIND OF INTRODUCTORY INFORMATION, SUMMARY PAGES, AND THEN INDIVIDUAL PROJECT DETAIL, WHICH INCLUDES MAPS, DIFFERENT, MORE IN-DEPTH PROJECT DESCRIPTION.

AND SO EACH IT'S SECTION BY EACH KIND OF AREA, SO TECH SERVICES, FLEET FACILITIES.

THE CAPITAL BUDGET PROCESS IS REALLY A YEAR ROUND PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH.

WE HAVE PRE KICKOFF PLANNING.

SO THIS PAST YEAR FINANCE AND CAPITAL PROJECTS, WE STARTED MEETING IN OCTOBER.

SO AS SOON AS THE NEW BUDGET KICKED OFF, WE STARTED PLANNING FOR THE FY 24 BUDGET.

WE WE REVIEWED THE CALENDARS, MADE SURE WE UPDATED KIND OF THE SUBMISSION INFORMATION THAT EVERYTHING WE NEEDED FROM THE DEPARTMENTS.

AND THEN IN JANUARY AND MARCH WE MET WITH THE DEPARTMENTS TO GO OVER THE SUBMISSIONS.

AND THEN IN MARCH, CAPITAL PROJECTS TEAM DID GIS MAPPING.

SO THEY TOOK ALL OF THE PROJECT INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE DEPARTMENTS AND ACTUALLY PUT IT ON A GIS MAP, AND THAT'S HOW THEY HELPED COORDINATE IT, THE PROJECT.

SO AS FAR AS TIMING AND MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE INCLUDING EVERYTHING THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED AS PART OF A PROJECT, WE LOOKED AT IT FROM THAT COMPONENT THIS YEAR AS WELL.

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AND THEN IN APRIL WE STARTED OUR FINANCIAL REVIEW.

SO WHAT THE ACTUAL FINANCIAL IMPACT OF DOING ALL THESE PROJECTS WOULD BE? AND THEN WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IN MAY AND JUNE.

SO THE UTILITY SUMMARY, YOU'LL SEE ELECTRIC $411 MILLION FOR THE FIVE YEAR TOTAL AND THEN WATER IS 377 MILLION AND SOLID WASTE IS 54 MILLION.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF THE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES.

SO CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION.

SO THAT'S THE DEBT THAT WE ISSUE FOR THE UTILITIES.

REVENUE FUNDED CAPITAL IS THE FUNDED THROUGH RATE REVENUE.

SO THAT'S THE THE CASH THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR PROJECTS.

COST PARTICIPATION IS THE DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTIONS AND THEN IMPACT FEE FUNDING.

THOSE ARE THE IMPACT FEES DOLLARS THAT WE ARE APPLYING TO SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

WE'LL GET INTO MORE DETAIL ON THAT IN WATER AND THEN VEHICLE REPLACEMENT, WE HAVE A SPECIFIC FUND.

EACH UTILITY HAS THEIR OWN VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND.

WE TRY TO FUND AS MUCH AS MANY VEHICLES AS WE CAN WITH CASH SOLID WASTE BECAUSE THEIR VEHICLES ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE.

WE DO DEBT FUND MOST OF THEIR VEHICLES.

AND SO I DO WANT TO POINT OUT WE DO HAVE A PLACEHOLDER CLOSED SESSION ITEM IF WE WANT TO DISCUSS ANY MORE IN DEPTH OF THE ELECTRIC CAPITAL BUDGET.

WE DID NOT PROVIDE THE FULL DETAIL IN THE OPEN SESSION THIS YEAR, BUT HAVE A PLACEHOLDER IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS IN MORE DETAIL.

BUT THE MAJOR.

PROJECTS ARE LISTED.

YOU CAN SEE THE DME CAMPUS.

THAT'S A $75 MILLION PROJECT EXCUSE ME, AUTOMATED METER REPLACEMENT AND THEN SOME TRANSMISSION LINES.

HERE'S YOUR FIVE YEAR SUMMARY.

AGAIN, WE WANT TO DISCUSS IN DETAIL.

THERE'S A CLOSED SESSION ITEM A LITTLE LATER IN THE AGENDA.

AND SO MOVING ON TO WATER.

SO WATER HAS AN AUTOMATED METER READING REPLACEMENT PROJECT AS WELL.

$14 MILLION.

WE HAVE ELM AND LOCUST PHASE TWO.

SO THOSE ARE THE UTILITY REPLACEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE STREET RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

WE HAVE THE LAKE LEWISVILLE PLANT, RAW WATER TRANSMISSION LINE, AND THEN THE RAY ROBERTS PLANT CAPACITY UPGRADES.

SO THAT'S REALLY ADDING CAPACITY TO ONE OF OUR WATER PLANTS, AS WELL AS THE RAY ROBERTS DISINFECTION CONVERSION.

AND THEN THE SUPPLEMENT TO THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM IS THE UTILITY RELOCATION PROJECTS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE STREET PROJECTS.

SO IT'S THE UTILITY PORTION, WATER AND WASTEWATER PAY FOR THEIR PORTION WHEN STREET IS COMING IN TO DO THE ROADS.

AND SO I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EARLIER THE IMPACT FEES.

YOU CAN SEE THE THE IMPACT FEE.

I'M SORRY. GIVE ME A SEC. YES, SIR.

YEAH, JUST A FRAMING QUESTION.

IT MIGHT BE OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE ELSE, BUT THIS IS ALL EVERYTHING WE'RE SEEING IS SEPARATE AND APART FROM WHATEVER WOULD COME FROM THE BOND COMMITTEE, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY.

THIS IS CURRENT CIP.

THE BOND COMMITTEE IS HARD AT WORK DECIDING WHICH PROJECTS TO RECOMMEND TO YOU.

AND SO THIS IS GOING TO BE SEPARATE.

WE'RE GOING TO MY PLAN WAS TO DISCUSS THE BOND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS IN DETAIL AFTER THEY MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO YOU.

SO THAT WILL COME BACK SEPARATE.

YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACT FEE FUNDING OF $35 MILLION.

SO THE PLAN FOR THE IMPACT FEE FUNDING AND WATER IS TO USE IT FOR THE PLANT UPGRADE BECAUSE IMPACT FEES ARE SPECIFIC FOR CAPACITY INCREASES.

THAT'S WHAT THOSE FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR.

WE HAVE A $35 MILLION FUND BALANCE IN WATER.

WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO BUILD IT UP SO THAT WE CAN PAY CASH FOR PART OF THE PLANT EXPANSION.

SO THAT IS THAT $35 MILLION THAT YOU'RE SEEING.

AND THEN TOTAL FIVE YEAR CIP $377 MILLION REALLY DRIVEN BY THOSE PLANT CAPACITY INCREASE PROJECTS.

SO SOLID. WASTE CELL FIVE AND SIX.

CONSTRUCTION 5.4 MILLION.

THE CHEMICAL HOME CHEMICAL COLLECTION STORAGE CAPACITY, $2 MILLION.

AND THEN VEHICLE ADDITIONS AND REPLACEMENTS OF $28 MILLION.

AGAIN, THOSE SOLID WASTE VEHICLES ARE VERY EXPENSIVE TO REPLACE.

AND SO TOTAL FIVE YEARS CIP FOR SOLID WASTE IS $54 MILLION.

YOU CAN SEE THE THE BREAKDOWN BETWEEN BETWEEN DEBT FUNDED CAPITAL.

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SO WHAT WE'RE PAYING DEBT FOR VERSUS WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO PAY CASH FOR.

SO GENERAL GOVERNMENT SUMMARY WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE OF THE 2014 BOND PROGRAM.

WE ARE SCHEDULED TO CLOSE OUT THAT BOND PROGRAM THIS YEAR.

WE HAVE A FEW REMAINING ROADWAY PROJECTS AND SOME MISCELLANEOUS MONEY FOR PARKS, BUT WE HAVE ABOUT $12 MILLION REMAINING IN THE IN THE 2014 BOND PROGRAM THAT WE WERE EXPECTING TO CLOSE OUT THIS YEAR.

AND BEFORE I MOVE ON, THE PROPOSITION AMOUNT WAS THE AMOUNT APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.

THE TOTAL PROGRAM, WHICH YOU SEE IS MUCH LARGER THAN THE VOTER APPROVED AMOUNT.

THAT IS WHERE WE CAME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND ASKED TO ISSUE ADDITIONAL COSTS TO CLOSE OUT THAT PROGRAM.

SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO ARE THE ADDITIONAL COSTS WE ISSUED TO CLOSE OUT THE BOND PROGRAM.

AND THEN WHAT'S ENCUMBERED IS THE AMOUNT THAT'S CURRENTLY ON A PURCHASE ORDER.

SO WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON THAT PROJECT.

AND THEN TOTAL REMAINING IS WHAT'S AVAILABLE YET TO SPEND.

AND THEN THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM.

AGAIN, THIS WAS EXPECTED TO BE A SIX YEAR BOND PROGRAM.

WE ARE.

ACTIVELY WORKING ON THE STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.

$86 MILLION STILL REMAINING TO SPEND ON THOSE PROJECTS.

PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES.

THOSE PROJECTS ARE ALMOST COMPLETE.

SO THE HEADQUARTER AND POLICE SUBSTATION AND FIRING RANGE.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE PARKLAND ACQUISITION REMAINING AMOUNT OF $2 MILLION.

AND HERE IS OUR UPDATED ISSUANCE SCHEDULE.

SO WE HAVE ABOUT $54 MILLION LEFT TO ISSUE FROM THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM.

SO WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO BEING ALMOST ALMOST COMPLETELY ISSUED FOR THE TOTAL PROGRAM OF $220 MILLION.

SO FOR THE FIVE YEAR CIP FOR GENERAL GOVERNMENT.

THIS IS A BUSY SLIDE, BUT STARTING FROM THE TOP, THIS IS THE ADDITIONAL ISSUANCE LEFT REMAINING FROM THE VOTER APPROVED AMOUNT.

SO THE $54.5 MILLION TO CLOSE OUT THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM.

THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT ITEMS. THESE WERE THESE ARE ALL WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THESE FURTHER IN FUTURE SLIDES.

BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK RECAP, THE FINANCE ERP REPLACEMENT, THAT'S OUR ACCOUNTING SYSTEM.

SO THE CITY'S ACCOUNTING SYSTEM, WE HAVE OPTED TO PUSH THAT PROJECT BACK.

MANY OF YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEVERAL VACANCIES IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT NEXT YEAR.

SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND PROCUREMENT SELECTION RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE DOING WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT.

SO WE'VE OPTED TO PUSH THAT BACK ONE YEAR AND THEN THE FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN MORE DETAIL.

BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A MUCH LARGER NUMBER THIS YEAR FOR FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS THAN YOU DID LAST YEAR.

THAT'S BASED ON OUR FACILITIES CONDITION ASSESSMENT THAT WE'VE COMPLETED.

SO IT SHOWS ALL OF THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND THE COST WITH THAT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE FOR ALL OF OUR FACILITIES, INCLUDING THE SERVICE CENTER.

YOU MAY REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE 23 BOND PROGRAM WE ELECTED TO PULL THAT OUT OF THE BOND PROGRAM AND ISSUE CODES.

SO I DO HAVE THAT SCHEDULED IN THE FACILITY IMPROVEMENT LINE AND THEN PARK IMPROVEMENTS, NOT MUCH CHANGE FROM LAST YEAR, TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN FLEET MANAGEMENT IMPROVEMENTS, THAT IS THE FFA.

SO THE FURNITURE AND FIXTURES ASSOCIATED WITH OUR FLEET BUILDING EXPANSION.

SO WE ARE ADDING SIX BAYS TO THE FLEET BUILDING, GIVE OUR FLEET SERVICES MORE CAPACITY.

THAT'S THE FIXTURES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROJECT.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE VEHICLE ADDITIONS, 1.5 MILLION.

AGAIN, THIS IS ALL PRELIMINARY, SO IT'S BASED ON WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS FAR AS SOME OF THESE ARE RELATED TO SUPPLEMENTALS THAT YOU'LL SEE IN AUGUST.

SO ADDITIONAL POSITIONS AND THEN THE REPLACEMENTS OF $5.5 MILLION.

TECHNOLOGY SERVICES.

THIS IS A LARGE INCREASE FROM WHAT YOU SAW LAST YEAR.

THERE ARE SEVERAL SOFTWARE PACKAGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING BASED ON THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS, BUT WE'LL DISCUSS IN JUST A MOMENT.

AND THEN DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS OF $1.3 MILLION.

THESE ARE JUST SOME MINOR PROJECTS THAT THE THE DRAINAGE OPERATIONS CAN COMPLETE OUTSIDE OF THE BOND PROGRAM, PARKING LOT RECONSTRUCTIONS, ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS OF $16 MILLION.

I HAVE THAT ON A FUTURE SLIDE.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FUNDING.

SO FRANCHISE FEES, THAT'S REALLY THE FRANCHISE FEE REVENUE THAT WE'RE SUPPLEMENTING THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM WITH.

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AND THEN GENERAL FUND BIKE LANES.

THAT'S OUR ANNUAL BIKE LANE MONEY THAT WE ISSUE TO EXTEND OUR BIKE LANES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

PARKS, CAPITAL MAINTENANCE.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE REC CENTER MAINTENANCE AND AQUATICS MAINTENANCE.

THOSE ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE NUMBERS YOU SAW LAST YEAR.

AND THEN THE IMPACT FEE, THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES, THOSE ARE THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE DOLLARS THAT WE'VE COLLECTED THAT WE'RE APPLYING TO ROADWAY PROJECTS.

SO FACILITIES, YOU CAN SEE THE FACILITY CONDITION, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.

I ALLUDED TO THIS EARLIER.

THIS IS THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT THAT WE COMPLETED.

AND THIS IS THE TOTAL FIVE YEAR AMOUNT.

SO $33 MILLION THAT'S NEEDED.

AND TOM HAS A VERY DETAILED LIST OF EVERY ITEM THAT'S NEEDED.

I THINK HE PROVIDED PART OF THAT IN YOUR BACKUP IN YOUR SUPPLEMENTAL QUESTIONS.

THIS IS JUST TO MAINTAIN OUR EXISTING FACILITIES AND THEN THE FACILITY CAPITAL MAINTENANCE $20 MILLION.

THAT'S THE THAT IS THE HVAC FLOORING ROOFS.

THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT WE ISSUE EVERY YEAR.

IT'S ABOUT $4 MILLION A YEAR.

AND THEN FACILITY ADA UPGRADES.

WE DISCUSSED THIS LAST YEAR.

THIS IS SPECIFIC FOR ADA UPGRADES TO OUR FACILITIES THAT ARE NEEDED.

AND THEN THE SERVICE CENTER RENOVATION PROJECT, $27 MILLION.

THIS IS THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT PORTION.

SO UTILITIES DOES ALSO HAVE A PORTION INCLUDED IN THEIR CIP BUDGET FOR THE SERVICE CENTER.

AND THEN AGAIN, JUST THE FUNDING SUMMARY FACILITIES WERE ISSUING ALL DEBT TO FUND THE FACILITIES PROJECTS.

NO REVENUE FUNDING.

SO TECHNOLOGY SERVICES, THIS IS A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE FROM WHAT YOU SAW LAST YEAR, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS IN FIBER REPLACEMENT.

SO IN FY 24, TECH SERVICES IS PROPOSING TO DO AN ASSESSMENT OF THE EXISTING FIBER THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THEN IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS WORK TO REPLACE THE FIBER SINCE IT IS AGING.

AND THEN WE HAVE AN ASSET MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE.

THIS IS THE CITY WIDE ASSET MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE WE'VE DONE.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH AN ASSESSMENT AND HAVE AN EXTENSIVE LIST OF WHAT IS NEEDED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

WE'RE TRYING TO STANDARDIZE AND CONDENSE DOWN SOME OF THE SOFTWARE THAT WE USE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

AND THEN THE CAD MS REPLACEMENT, FRANK TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE EARLIER AS $4 MILLION IN FY 24 AND THEN INFRASTRUCTURE REPLACEMENT.

THIS IS JUST THE ANNUAL COMPUTER REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.

THE CITY IS ONGOING AND THEN THE LAND MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE IS ALSO NEW.

THIS YEAR. THAT'S OUR TRACK IT AND PERMITTING SOFTWARE THAT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES USES.

WE'VE BEEN HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH COLLECTING REVENUES.

IT'S BEEN BREAKING DOWN, NOT WORKING.

WE HAVE VERY LIMITED SUPPORT ON THE SOFTWARE THAT WE CURRENTLY USE.

SO THIS IS MONEY TO REPLACE THAT SOFTWARE.

AND THEN AGAIN, JUST A BREAKDOWN AS FAR AS FUNDING AND TYPE.

AGAIN, TECH SERVICES WERE PLANNING TO ISSUE DEBT FOR THIS ENTIRE FUND.

THERE'S NO REVENUE FUNDING.

FLEET SERVICES.

THIS IS REALLY WHERE GENERAL GOVERNMENT FLEET VEHICLES.

SO THE $2 MILLION I REFERENCED EARLIER IS THE EQUIPMENT AND FURNISHINGS FOR THE FLEET BUILDING EXPANSION.

AND THEN THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS ARE $22 MILLION OVER THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD AND THEN VEHICLE ADDITIONS 1.5.

AGAIN, THAT NUMBER COULD CHANGE DEPENDING ON THE SUPPLEMENTALS THAT COUNCIL APPROVES DURING OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP.

HERE IS THE LIST OF NEW VEHICLES ALONG WITH YOU SEE THE THIS IS GENERAL FUND VERSUS THE TOTAL UTILITY SYSTEM.

AND AIRPORT VEHICLES AGAIN, UTILITY SYSTEM HAVE THEIR OWN VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUNDS THAT THEY FUND VEHICLES FROM GENERAL FUND.

WE ISSUE DEBT TO FUND OUR VEHICLES.

AND JUST A BREAKDOWN OF CATEGORIES.

AND THEN PARKS AND RECREATION.

OH, BEFORE I MOVE TO PARKS AND RECREATION, I DID WANT TO MENTION WE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES PLANNING TO BE REPLACED.

WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF VEHICLES THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO REPLACE WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES, AND TOM CAN PROVIDE A DETAILED LIST OF THAT,

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BUT WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MADE NOTE OF THAT.

WE ARE STILL REPLACING VEHICLES WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES WHERE APPROPRIATE.

OOPS. SORRY. ALL RIGHT.

PARKS AND RECREATION.

SO WE'VE BROKEN DOWN THE MAJOR KIND OF PROJECTS IN THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

ARTS AND CULTURE IS REALLY THOSE PUBLIC ART TYPE PROJECTS.

AQUATICS IMPROVEMENTS.

WE HAVE SOME IMPROVEMENTS PLANNED OUTSIDE OF THE BOND PROGRAM.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S $15 MILLION PROPOSED IN THE BOND PROGRAM RIGHT NOW FOR AQUATIC IMPROVEMENTS.

THE AQUATIC IMPROVEMENTS HERE ARE SPECIFIC TO THE WATERWORKS PARK RIVER AND THEN AN AQUATICS MAINTENANCE FACILITY.

SO THOSE PROJECTS MAY CHANGE DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF THE THE BOND PROGRAM THAT'S RECOMMENDED FROM THE CITIZEN COMMITTEE.

AND THEN PLAYGROUND IMPROVEMENTS.

AGAIN, JUST ANNUAL REPLACEMENT OF PLAYGROUNDS AND THEN PARK DEVELOPMENT AND LAND ACQUISITION.

YOU CAN SEE $5.2 MILLION PLANNED FOR THE FIVE YEAR CIP.

HERE IS OUR SUMMARY OF PARKS AND REC.

SO YOU CAN SEE PARKS AND REC HAS EXTENSIVE LIST OF FUNDING TYPES THAT THEY USE.

SO IT'S NOT ALL DEBT FUNDED.

WE DO HAVE SOME REVENUE FUNDS.

WE TRY TO UTILIZE GRANTS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

SO SOME OF THE GRANT PROJECTS, THAT'S JUST OUR MATCHING PORTION.

SO MOST OF THE GRANTS, THERE'S SOME SORT OF REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY MATCHES AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE INCLUDED IN THE IN THE CIP.

SO THAT IF WE WERE AWARDED THE GRANT, WE WERE ABLE WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE THE FUNDS TO MATCH.

915 916 LAND PURCHASES.

YOU CAN SEE THE $4.7 MILLION PLANNED USE OF THAT FUND.

PLANNED USE FOR HOT FUNDS AND THEN CDBG FUNDS.

SO PUBLIC WORKS THIS ONE.

BONNIE BRAE PHASE FOUR B AND PHASE FIVE.

I KNOW THESE WERE BOTH CONSIDERED IN THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM.

HOWEVER, BASED ON THE BIDS THAT WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING LATELY, WE ARE ADDING FUNDING FOR THOSE PROJECTS JUST BASED ON INFLATIONARY COSTS WE ARE SEEING IN CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T HAVE THE BIDS OUT, SO IF THEY COME BACK LOWER, WE WILL NOT ISSUE THIS FUNDING, BUT WANTED TO HAVE THE EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY IN CASE THAT WE NEEDED IT, BECAUSE BONNIE BRAY PHASE THREE BID CAME IN SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER THAN WHAT WE FORECASTED.

AND THEN TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS AGAIN.

THOSE ARE OUR TRAFFIC SIGNAL REPLACEMENTS AND REBUILDS.

AND THEN DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.

THOSE ARE THE THE SMALLER PROJECTS THAT THE DRAINAGE CREW THEMSELVES WORK ON.

HERE'S THE. SUMMARY.

YOU CAN SEE PUBLIC WORKS, ALL DEBT FUNDED.

AGAIN, NO REVENUE FUND FUNDS IN THIS SECTION.

SO THE PRELIMINARY TAX RATE, THIS IS THE DEBT TAX.

SO THE TAX RATE IS TWO PORTIONS.

IT'S THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION PORTION PORTION WHICH FUNDS THE GENERAL FUND OPERATING BUDGET AND THEN THE DEBT PORTION OF THE TAX RATE THAT'S SPECIFIC TO THE DEBT PAYMENTS.

SO FORECASTING FOR THE DEBT PORTION OF THE TAX RATE TO DECREASE NEXT YEAR.

BUT THEN BASED ON THE PRELIMINARY CIP, FORECASTING IT TO INCREASE IN 25 BY ABOUT TWO AND A HALF CENTS.

AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE WERE ANTICIPATING THE TAX RATE BEING BASED ON THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM.

I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT WE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW THAT AMOUNT.

OUR OUR ASSESSED VALUES HAVE COME IN VERY STRONG OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN VERY HIGH.

SO WE'VE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DECREASE THAT THAT DEBT TAX RATE.

I AM RIGHT NOW FORECASTING A 9% INCREASE IN NON FROZEN VALUES FOR THE ASSESSED VALUES.

WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING WEEKLY UPDATES FROM THE CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND WE'RE COMING IN VERY STRONG COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. IT'S CONTINUING TO INCREASE, BUT I'M RIGHT NOW I'M FORECASTING 9% INCREASE.

WE'RE EXPECTING CERTIFIED VALUES JULY 25TH AND SO WE'LL BE PRESENTING THE PROPOSED BUDGET WITH THE CERTIFIED VALUES ON AUGUST 5TH.

YES, KEEP FINGERS CROSSED.

IT CONTINUES TO COME IN STRONG.

SO ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS I WANTED TO BRING TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION.

SO PARKS PROPERTY ACQUISITION, I KNOW WE HAVE A CLOSED SESSION ITEM ON JULY 18TH TO DISCUSS ADDITIONAL PARK PROPERTY THAT WE COULD BE

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LOOKING AT PURCHASING.

THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL FUNDING RIGHT NOW IDENTIFIED IN THE CIP.

I KNOW WE HAVE RECEIVED MULTIPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT MCKINNEY SIDEWALKS.

THE THE TOTAL PROJECT ESTIMATE FOR JUST THE SIDEWALK PORTION IS $5.5 MILLION.

IT'S CURRENTLY NOT FUNDED IN THE CIP, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET DIRECTION ON IF COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE PUTTING IT IN THE CIP OR IF YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL YOU HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT THE BUDGET WORKSHOP.

AND THEN YOU MAY REMEMBER IN JANUARY, WE DISCUSSED ROADWAY FUNDING STRATEGIES.

AT THAT TIME, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW DO WE TAKE A 40 YEAR LOOK AT WHAT THE FUNDING REQUIREMENTS FOR REPLACING THE STREETS AND TRY TO BE LESS RELIANT ON DEBT FUNDING.

THE RECOMMENDATION OUT OF THAT PRESENTATION WAS THAT COUNCIL AGREED WE NEEDED TO LOOK AT ABOUT $5 MILLION IN REVENUE FUNDING A YEAR.

HOWEVER, WE NEVER IDENTIFIED A FUNDING SOURCE, SO I DO NOT HAVE THAT PROGRAMED IN THE CIP BUDGET RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE AN IDENTIFIED FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT ADDITIONAL $5 MILLION PER YEAR.

AND THEN YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN YOUR CIP BUDGET BOOK, WE ARE ALREADY PLANNING FOR THE NEXT BOND PROGRAM.

SO WE HAVE LISTED OUT SOME POTENTIAL PROJECTS FOR 2026 BOND PROGRAM THAT YOU CAN FIND IN YOUR BUDGET BOOK.

I WON'T READ THEM OFF, BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL PROJECTS ALREADY, SO I WANTED TO POINT THOSE OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL IS AWARE.

THOSE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED BUT ARE CURRENTLY NOT FUNDED IN THE CIP BUDGET.

AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

COUNCILMAN METZLER. I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING THOUGHT UP ALL MY QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE.

AS I RECALL, I COULD.

YOU'RE REMEMBERING, MISS REMEMBERING.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT OUR DEBT SERVICE PERCENTAGE OF REVENUE HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN THAT THE TARGET HAS BEEN TO NOT EXCEED 22%. DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT OR AM I MAKING THAT UP? JUST LET ME ASK REALLY THE THE BROADER QUESTION, WHICH IS, DOES WOULD APPROVING EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SHOWN REPRESENT ANY CHANGE IN RATIOS THAT WOULD TELL US HOW MUCH DEBT SERVICE WE CAN BEAR? AND MAYBE MAYBE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN ANSWER OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, RIGHT? I CAN ANSWER THAT ONCE I HAVE THE CERTIFIED VALUES.

AGAIN, THIS IS ALL BASED ON PREDICTIONS RIGHT NOW, AND I REALLY WISH I HAD A CRYSTAL BALL, BUT I DON'T.

SO MY BEST GUESS IS 9% INCREASE.

IF THAT COMES IN HIGHER, OBVIOUSLY THIS RATE WILL DECREASE THAT.

THAT'S AN INPUT TO HOW MUCH WE TAX PEOPLE, RIGHT.

I MEAN, THE THE THE YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT WE INCREASE TAXES OR NOT IS A SEPARATE CHOICE WE GET TO MAKE AFTER WE KNOW THE APPRAISED VALUES.

RIGHT. BECAUSE WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO INCREASE PEOPLE'S TAXES JUST BECAUSE THE VALUE, THE APPRAISALS COME IN HIGHER.

SO ON THE NO RATE, I WOULD SAY YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

ON THE INS RATE.

SO THAT DEBT TAX RATE, IT'S BASED ON WHAT OUR DEBT PAYMENT IS FOR THAT YEAR.

SO THE 24 AMOUNT, 25 IS STILL.

YES, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY CHANGE THAT BASED ON HOW MUCH DEBT WE'RE FORECASTING TO ISSUE.

24 IS BASED ON THE DEBT THAT WE SOLD THIS YEAR, AND WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED THAT CALCULATED DEBT PAYMENT FROM OUR OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS.

ALL RIGHT. LET ME JUST, YOU KNOW, PAUSE LINE OF INQUIRY, YOU KNOW, TO JUST SAY I'LL BE INTERESTED AS WE GO FORWARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE.

TOTAL IMPACT WILL BE IDEALLY TO THE MEDIAN, BUT WILL TAKE THE AVERAGE TAX BILL BETWEEN ALL THE COMPONENTS.

YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IS WITHIN OUR CONTROL? AND I'M NOT AUTOMATICALLY OPPOSED TO RAISING TAXES.

EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP AND SOME THINGS HAVE TO GO UP AND SOME THINGS WE HAVE TO SPEND ON.

BUT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO TELL VOTERS EXPLICITLY WHERE WE EXPECT TO RAISE TAXES BY ABOUT THIS MUCH ON THE AVERAGE PERSON.

AND HERE'S WHY. IF THAT'S THE CASE.

AND THEN THE OTHER BIT I'LL BE LOOKING FOR IS JUST HOW MUCH DEBT SERVICE WE CAN WE CAN BEAR AND WHETHER WE'RE WITHIN OUR RANGES.

AND BY THE WAY, I SAY THAT KNOWING THAT WE HAVE AN AWARD WINNING FINANCE DEPARTMENT YEAR AFTER YEAR.

SO IT'S NOT ANY LACK OF CONFIDENCE.

IT'S JUST THAT TO ME SEEMS LIKE THE RIGHT QUESTION TO ASK.

OKAY. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILWOMAN. MCGEE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ALL THIS TALK ABOUT TAXES.

READ MY LIPS.

NO NEW.

OKAY, I WON'T. I'LL STOP.

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QUESTION ABOUT THE MCKINNEY SIDEWALKS.

THAT 5.5 MILLION.

IS THAT FOR.

RIGHT WAY ACQUISITION OR SO THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE CONSTRUCTION, ITS RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION AND CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS.

WOULD THAT SEPARATE FROM THE ROADWAY PROJECT? SEPARATE FROM THE ROADWAY PROJECT, CORRECT.

THE ROADWAY PROJECT, I THINK IS ABOUT $40 MILLION TOTAL, WHICH WE'VE PUT AS A PLACEHOLDER IN THE 2026 BOND PROGRAM THAT'S PENCILED IN. BUT KNOWING THAT, WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS CURRENTLY, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I BROUGHT THIS UP.

SO TO BE CLEAR, THIS DOES NOT THIS DOES NOT PRECLUDE US FROM PUTTING UP SOMETHING TEMPORARY NOW TO TRY TO PROTECT FOLKS WHO ARE WALKING DOWN THE STREET TODAY.

I'M GOING TO DEFER TO TREVOR CRANE ON THAT ONE.

I TOLD HIM I WOULD GIVE HIM ALL THE HARD QUESTIONS.

GOOD AFTERNOON. TREVOR CRANE, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.

SO YOU COULD JUST SAY ONE MORE TIME FOR ME THIS THIS WOULD NOT PRECLUDE US FROM DOING SOMETHING MORE IMMEDIATELY, SOME TYPE OF TEMPORARY PROTECTIVE MEASURE TO TO GIVE FOLKS.

MOVING DOWN. MCKINNON MOVING UP AND DOWN.

MCKINNEY SOME PROTECTION, SURE.

SO THERE'S THERE'S OPTIONS.

WE'VE DONE SOME DIFFERENT TYPES OF OPTIONS WITH THE BOLLARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING HAS A PRICE TO IT.

I WOULD SAY THE CHALLENGE OUT HERE IS REALLY THE RIGHT OF WAY SO THAT $5.5 MILLION IS MAINLY RIGHT OF WAY DEPENDING ON THERE'S DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE COME IN. THEY'VE BUILT THEIR OWN SIDEWALKS, WHICH IS GREAT.

BUT THEN AS YOU CAN TELL, IT'S NOT CONNECTED WITHOUT GOING OUT THERE AND DOING THE SURVEYS.

IT'S HARD TO DETERMINE EXACTLY HOW MUCH THAT RIGHT OF WAY WOULD COST.

I WOULD SAY THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT WITH THE NARROWNESS OF THE ROAD IN SOME LOCATIONS, IT WILL BE A CHALLENGE.

BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

WE CAN LOOK AT SOME OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL.

I APPRECIATE THAT. YES, SIR.

YEAH, I AM STILL GOING TO STRONGLY ENCOURAGE US TO FIND SOMETHING TEMPORARY TODAY.

SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET HIT.

SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET HURT.

SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR ME TO PROTECT FOLKS MOVING UP AND DOWN MCKINNEY MORE IMMEDIATELY.

SO HAVING SAID THAT, YOU MENTIONED THAT ROADWAY FUNDING STRATEGIES CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD BACK IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS JANUARY OR FEBRUARY.

JANUARY, YES. IS THAT COMING UP ON THE MATRIX AGAIN SOON? BECAUSE AS I BELIEVE, THAT WAS A.

LIKE A33 DECISION WE HAD.

WE NEVER REALLY CAME TO SOME CONSENSUS.

OR ARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS THAT IN BUDGET WORKSHOP? I MEAN, I'M OUR PLAN WAS TO BRING IT BACK DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP AS A SUPPLEMENTAL.

SO YOU CAN CONSIDER ALL OF THE REQUESTS AT ONE TIME.

OKAY. OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO FOR FOR SOME OF THE THE TRAFFIC CONTROL, THAT IS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FLIP TO IT.

THE IN FACT, THIS IS A GOOD SLIDE TO BE AT FOR SOME OF MY SUBSEQUENT QUESTIONS.

WERE ANY OF THE TRAFFIC CONTROL TRAFFIC LIGHTS? WAS ANY OF THAT ANTICIPATED BE BORNE BY OTHER AGENCIES OR ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS? IT'S ALL OUR.

OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

OKAY, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.

AND THEN OKAY, SO THEN I ONE OF THE THE THINGS THAT WE RAN INTO IS WITH INCREASING LAND PRICES FOR OUR VARIOUS LAND BANKING PROGRAMS, BOTH THE HOMELESS TOOLKIT AND THE PARKS TOOLKITS THAT.

THOSE AREN'T THOSE AREN'T GETTING ANY BETTER.

THE LONGER WE KICK THE CAN TO THE FUTURE AND WE ESSENTIALLY RAN OUT AT LEAST FOR PARK ACQUISITIONS WITH THE THE GOOD SAM WIGGLY FIELD ACQUISITION.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL ITEMS MIGHT BE COMING UP FOR FUTURE DELIBERATION, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE NUMBER THAT THAT WAS AT LEAST A PLACEHOLDER IN THE IN THE PLAN WAS SIMILAR IN SCOPE AND SCALE TO THE PREVIOUS BUDGET.

AND IF IF WE COULDN'T QUITE DO WHAT WE WANTED WITH THE PREVIOUS NUMBER.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE BEING A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE GIVEN THE MARKET FOR FOR WHAT WE WANT TO DO? AND I DON'T MEAN THAT IN TERMS OF WELL, OF COURSE WE WOULD LIKE TO BUY UP ALL THE LAND EVERYWHERE, YADDA, YADDA, YADDA.

BUT I MEAN, LIKE AND EVEN IN A REALISTIC PARADIGM, ARE WE BEING ARE WE PERHAPS BEING A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE WITH WITH OUR FORECASTING?

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I WOULD SAY I KNOW THAT GARY AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET HE NEEDS FOR THE PARCELS.

WHAT WE'RE WAITING ON IS DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON.

THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC PARCELS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, HOW MANY, WHICH ONES.

THEN BASED ON THAT FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL, WE CAN BRING IT BACK DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP AND SHOW YOU THIS IS WHAT WE BELIEVE THE FORECAST TO BE WITH THE INCLUDED ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY.

SO IF I IF I RESTATE THIS, MAYBE IF, IF WE WERE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT POTENTIAL PROPERTIES, THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE 55.3 IN THE FORECAST.

SO IT WOULD BE 5.3 PLUS WHATEVER WE DECIDE IN THESE FUTURE CONVERSATIONS.

OKAY. THAT THAT ACTUALLY MAKES ME FEEL A LITTLE BETTER.

AND THEN I'M I'M GOING TO CONCUR WITH VIEWS.

I WOULD LIKE TO VISIT THE THE VARIOUS SIDE PATH DISCUSSIONS, MCKINNEY AND ELSEWHERE.

AND THEN I'M JUST GOING TO FULLY SUPPORT THE IDEA OF THAT WE BROUGHT UP BEFORE.

WE DO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, REDUCE OUR RELIANCE ON BOND PACKAGE FOR ROAD ROAD MAINTENANCE.

AND OH THE LAST THING WAS A COMMENT IN IN SINCE SINCE THE.

UH, THE AGENDA WAS RELEASED IN THE BACK UP, AND I'VE BEEN GETTING FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENRY.

I THINK ONE THING, AND THIS IS THIS IS ALWAYS A CHALLENGE.

THIS ISN'T A UNIQUE CHALLENGE TO THIS COUNCIL OR ANY OTHER COUNCIL OR STAFF COMPOSITION, BUT IT REMAINS AN ONGOING CHALLENGE TO HAVE THE CITIZENRY UNDERSTAND WHEN WHEN WE APPROVE BUDGETS OR BONDS AT PARTICULAR YEARS VERSUS WHEN THEY ACTUALLY START VERSUS WHEN THEY ACTUALLY END, AND THOSE OVERLAPPING TIMELINES AND STRATEGIES AND HOW THEY CAN THEY ADDITIVELY ADD UP IN SEGMENTS ACROSS EACH GIVEN YEAR BECAUSE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A THAT'S A PROBLEM, BUT I'M ENCOURAGING US TO FIGURE OUT AS BEST WE CAN ADDITIONAL STRATEGIES BECAUSE THE A LOT OF THE PUBLIC AT LEAST TALKING TO ME IS VERY CONFUSED ABOUT 2014, 2019, 2023.

AND THEN PROJECTIONS FOR THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S STOPPING STARTING.

AND YOU KNOW, AND I WONDER IF WE COULDN'T.

THINK ABOUT WAYS TO DO A BETTER JOB ON THAT, JUST TO RELAY OR TO TO GET AT SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU EXPLAIN IT, THEY LOSE A LOT OF THEIR HEARTBURN.

AND AND AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, NO, THAT WAS FOR THIS.

BUT WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO PROJECT OUT OVER X YEARS.

BUT YES, THEY ARE GOING TO COME OUT EVERY YEAR.

SO IF THERE WAS A GOOD STRATEGY THAT WE COULD GET SOME SORT OF BUDGET WORKSHOP OR SOMETHING FOR THE PUBLIC, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF EFFORT AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR A LOT OF TIME RIGHT NOW. I KNOW YOU'RE UNDERSTAFFED, BUT AS A AS SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE TO HELP THE CITIZENS OR EVEN JUST TO GIVE TO COUNSEL SO THAT WE CAN WE CAN BE YOUR FAQ IN THIS CASE. SO I THINK THAT IS A GOOD SUGGESTION.

I THINK HOPEFULLY AS WE GET FULLY STAFFED, I DO THINK WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO AS A STAFF IS TO HAVE A SORT OF A BUDGET WORKSHOP WITH THE PUBLIC.

ANYONE THAT WANTED TO COME COULD ASK QUESTIONS.

HOW DO YOU GET TO THIS POINT? HOW DO YOU CLOSE OUT A BOND? HOW LONG DOES A BOND GO WHEN IT DOESN'T? YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN 14 RUNS INTO 19 AND 19 RUNS INTO.

SO I THINK THAT'S A THAT'S A VERY GOOD SUGGESTION.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD WORK ON.

AND I'LL JUST END WITH I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION IN THE RESPONSES TO QUESTIONS AND I'LL MORE FULLY REVIEW THIS, SO I WON'T ASK A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS NOW, BUT I AM INTERESTED IN MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE, THE, THE NEEDS FOR THE, THE CAMPUS.

I'M NEITHER FOR OR AGAINST BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO ABSORB THE RESPONSES TO STAFF.

SO I, I, I EXPECT THAT WILL BE A FUTURE ITEM OF DISCUSSION, EVEN IF EVERYTHING IS CLEAR.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

ANY OTHER QUESTION, COUNCILMAN BYRD? I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO MCKINNEY STREET.

BUT THIS IS JUST A GENERALIZED QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THAT PROJECT.

I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT PROJECT COMING ON BOARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

BUT THE QUESTION THAT THAT IN MY MIND IS THAT AND I THINK PEOPLE NOTICE THIS AS WELL.

SO WHEN A PROJECT IS COMPLETED ON A ROADWAY LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, THEN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX BUILDS THE SIDEWALK.

AND IF THAT COMPLEX IS NEXT TO AN ON A RAW SPACE, THERE IS NO SIDEWALK GOING TO BE BUILT THERE.

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RIGHT? IT JUST DOESN'T GO.

SO YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THOSE PEOPLE DECIDE TO DEVELOP THAT AREA, TO WAIT FOR A SIDEWALK.

IS THAT IS THAT A HARD, FAST LIKE RULE OF THE UNIVERSE OR IT CAN THE CITY BUILD THE SIDEWALK TO CONNECT TO ANOTHER SIDEWALK AND POSSIBLY BE REIMBURSED BY THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE PROPERTY? THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE.

IT COULD HAPPEN, MAYBE. BUT I WOULD SAY THIS I THINK I WILL ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT MCKINNEY.

THIS HAS BEEN A BURR IN MY SADDLE SINCE I STARTED HERE.

I DRIVE MCKINNEY A LOT AND THERE IS NO GOOD SAFE WAY FOR SOMEONE TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B.

THE PROBLEM HAS WE I BELIEVE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CASSIE OR SOMEONE ELSE, IS THAT WE ACQUIRED THIS THIS ROAD FROM TEXDOT A LONG TIME AGO.

CORRECT. AND AT THAT TIME WE DID NOT DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE IN ACCEPTING THAT ROAD BY ASKING FOR CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS TO OCCUR, WHICH WOULD BE SOME UTILITIES TO PUT IT UNDERGROUND FROM FLOODING BECAUSE IT FLOODS IN A CERTAIN AREA IN A BUSINESS AND THEN ALSO SIDEWALKS.

WE FAIL TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE IN THE STORY.

WE NOW HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO THE RIGHT THING, WHICH IS BUILD A SIDEWALK FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

WHERE TREVOR WAS TELLING YOU AND IT'S TRUE, IS WE DO NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF TEMPORARY SOLUTION.

BUT WHEN YOU DRIVE IT AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO DO IT, GO IT SLOW AND JUST TAKE A GOOD LOOK.

THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT GO DOWN AND DIP DOWN AND IT WILL IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR US.

WE'LL HAVE TO BUILD UP.

WE'LL HAVE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO PUT IN A SIDEWALK.

AND SO A TEMPORARY MEASURE IS GOING TO PROBABLY LOOK LIKE THIS.

I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.

BUT IT IS A PRIORITY FOR ME.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS SORELY MISSING.

AND I WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO TRY TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO TO TO CORRECT IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT TO DO SOMETHING IN THE TEMPORARY PORTION TO GET MORE SAFE PASSAGE.

BUT YOUR IDEA IT'S A POSSIBILITY.

BUT BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE DEVELOPMENTS THAN THERE IS GAPS AND IT'S AS TREVOR MENTIONED, YOU HAVE SIDEWALKS THAT DON'T CONNECT ANYTHING AND SOME SIDEWALKS ARE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT AN ISSUE OF PEOPLE CROSSING.

AND THEN THE WHOLE ISSUE OF FLOODING AND DRAINAGE IS A BIG ISSUE.

PART A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN FROM.

THE 711 DOWN.

IT'S A LITTLE IT CREATES PROBLEMS THERE.

SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ABSOLUTELY KNOW NEEDS TO BE FIXED AND SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

OKAY. AND THAT IS WHAT THAT'S ALL THAT I HAD.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN HOLLAND.

THERE WE GO. THANK YOU.

FOR PURPOSES. I WAS GOING TO SAY, DOES THIS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MCKINNEY TO LOOP 288 OR NOW? DOES IT GO TO MAYHILL TO TO 88 RIGHT NOW TO TO 88? I WOULD START I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT STARTING FROM LITERALLY FROM BELL.

I MEAN, FROM HERE GOING DOWN NOW WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT WOODROW DOWN.

BUT I'M LOOKING I MEAN, YOU CAN GET TO ZERO.

YOU KNOW, JUST IT'S JUST A WISHY WASHY.

AND SO, AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME ENGINEERING.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT MORE MONEY THAN 5.5 MILLION, IN MY MIND, FROM ACQUISITION OF SOME EASEMENTS AND SOME OTHER THINGS.

AND IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT RIGHT, WE NEED TO DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING TEMPORARILY TO MAKE IT SAFE FOR PEOPLE.

BUT I WANT US WHEN I LOOK AT IT, I WANT US TO DO IT, TO DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

CAN YOU GUESSTIMATE WHAT PERCENT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED? AND ARE ALL THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE IN PLACE USABLE? ULTIMATELY, NOT ALL OF THEM, NO.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE'S A FEW OF THEM THAT GO ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE.

AND THERE'S A BUSINESS THAT'S ALMOST DOWN TO 288 THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL BUSINESSES WHERE IT JUST IT'S JUST A PAD OF CONCRETE.

PARDON ME. IT MIGHT BE A HANDY THING TO DO IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT, TO PUT THAT SIDEWALK FUND IN AN ESCROW AND AND INSTEAD OF MAKING A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE, PUT THAT MONEY IN THE BANK OR SOMEPLACE AND WAIT UNTIL WAIT UNTIL CONSTRUCTION HAPPENS AND THEN TAKE THAT OUT RATHER THAN RATHER THAN BUILD IT AND NOW HAVE TO TEAR IT UP.

THAT'S GOING TO MAKE PROPERTY OWNERS INSANE.

I WILL SAY THIS.

SINCE THIS HAPPENED AND THIS OCCURRED, ACTUALLY, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN RIGHT BEFORE I GOT HERE.

RIGHT AT THE TIME I WAS ARRIVING, WE WEREN'T WE WEREN'T LOOKING AT THINGS VERY COMPREHENSIVELY.

SO NOW, AS CASSIE HAS THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND ENGINEERING AND TREVOR'S GROUP, WHEN WE ARE SEEING A DEVELOPMENT OCCUR, WE ARE GOING IN AND LOOKING AT CONNECTIVITY AS NUMBER ONE, MEANING WE LOOK AT WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE LIKE.

YOU'VE GOT STEPHEN HERE TODAY.

WE LOOK AT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO ANY ELECTRICAL WORK, ANY WATER WASTEWATER, BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT IN SIDEWALKS AND THEN TURN AROUND AND TEAR IT BACK UP FOR DRAINAGE PURPOSES.

SO WE ARE DOING A BETTER JOB OF LOOKING AT THINGS MORE COMPREHENSIVELY.

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THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME PROJECTS COME IN AT A HIGHER COST BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SAY WHILE WATER WASTEWATER IS OUT THERE, DMS COMING IN AND WE'RE COMING IN TO DO SIDEWALK AND I'M HOPING IN THE FUTURE BIKE PED SO THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS MORE COMPREHENSIVELY.

AND I'LL BE JUST REALLY FRANK WITH YOU.

WE, WE DID NOT DO THAT BEFORE, WE JUST DIDN'T.

RIGHT. SO TO SARAH'S POINT, WE ABSOLUTELY ARE DOING THAT WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

AS DEVELOPMENTS COME IN, WE'RE COORDINATING WITH OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, DETERMINING WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE LINE.

WE DON'T WANT A DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND BUILD A SIDEWALK KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT BEHIND THEM AND HAVE TO TEAR IT OUT AND PUT SOMETHING ELSE IN.

IN THOSE CASES, THEY'RE USUALLY SOME TYPE OF IMPACT FEE OR, YOU KNOW, HEY, YOU'RE ALL GOING TO BE THERE FIRST.

WE'RE GOING TO DONATE OR GIVE YOU WHATEVER THE COST IS, AND YOU ALL CAN BUILD IT WHEN YOU GET THERE.

WE'RE DOING SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR ON BONNIE BRAE PHASE SIX ON THE NORTH END FOR THE MARK.

WE'RE BUILDING A PIECE OF THEIR SIDEWALK FOR THEM AND THEY DONATED OR PUT SOME MONEY TOWARDS THAT PROJECT.

SO SPECIFICALLY FROM MCKINNEY WOODROW TO LOOP TO 88.

ONCE YOU GET KIND OF PAST PAST WOODROW INTO DOWNTOWN, THAT'S A THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER SET OF SET OF RIGHT OF WAY ISSUES.

BUT I WOULD SAY PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, 40% IS IN HAS BEEN PUT IN THE SIDEWALKS, BUT IT'S VERY DISJOINTED, VERY DISCONNECTED.

AND THE PROBLEM WITH THAT, THOSE ARE SOME OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE COME IN A LONG TIME AGO AND THEY'RE REQUIRED.

THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT THAT THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PUT IN IS NOT WHAT OUR CURRENT STANDARD IS.

SO IT MAY BE A FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK, MAY BE, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TYPE OF REBAR IN IT OR ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO EVALUATE ALL OF THOSE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS OUR STANDARDS NOW.

AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT IS BACK TO A POINT SARAH MADE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CONNECTIVITY PIECE OF IT.

SO WHEN YOU GO TO THE EAST OF LOOP 288 ON THAT MCKINNEY SECTION, WE'VE GOT A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE, AND THEN WE'VE GOT A 12 FOOT MIXED USE PATH ON THE NORTH SIDE BECAUSE IT GOES TO THE SCHOOL.

SO THE GOAL WOULD BE TO TRY TO CONTINUE THAT.

WE DON'T WANT A 12, 12 FOOT PATH THAT LEADS INTO A FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK.

SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH OUR WITH OUR PLANNERS, OUR TRANSPORTATION PLANNERS.

THE GOAL ANYWHERE WE CAN HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY IS TO HAVE SEPARATE PATHS OR SIDEWALK PATHS AND THEN ON ON SYSTEM OR ON ROADWAY BIKE.

THAT'S ALWAYS THE GOAL.

NOW, RIGHT OF WAY IS USUALLY THE LIMITING FACTOR THERE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SOME SOME TEMPORARY THINGS THERE.

YOU KNOW, WE DID SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR ON MCKINNEY A WHILE BACK TO PUT A TEMPORARY SIDEWALK IN PRIOR TO US GETTING THERE WITH THOSE PROJECTS.

SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AND SEE SEE WHAT WE CAN DO OUT THERE.

YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN, WHAT'S. AND THIS IS A FOLLOW UP ON THE MCKINNEY DISCUSSION.

SO FROM WOODROW TO LOOP TO 88, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TEMPORARY SOME TYPE OF TEMPORARY FACILITY AT SOME POINT.

DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE CAN PUT I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION.

SO HOW MUCH RIGHT OF WAY DO WE HAVE AT THE END OF THE PAVEMENT? IN KNOW? IN OTHER WORDS, ARE WE HAVING TO PUT TEMPORARY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY OR IS IT THE TEMPORARY GOES ON? SO, I MEAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT PUTTING A TEMPORARY UP, BUT YET IF WE'VE GOT TO REQUIRE RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE IT'S TOO NARROW TO PUT UP A PERMANENT WELL, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ACQUIRE THAT SAME RIGHT OF WAY TO PUT UP A TEMPORARY SOLUTION.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO THIS $5.5 MILLION THAT WE LISTED THERE WOULD BE TO ACQUIRE THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THE SECTIONS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IT AND PUT IN THE SIDEWALK WHERE IT WOULD GO IF WE WERE DOING THE FULL WIDTH OF THE ROADWAY.

SO SO IN ORDER TO DO THE TEMPORARY, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS TO DO THE TEMPORARY IN SOME PLACES, YOU'LL HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND EXPEND THOSE FUNDS OR WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE SOME RIGHT OF WAY PURCHASE.

AND THEN ONCE WE PURCHASE IT, YOU MAKE A DECISION WHETHER YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PERMANENT SOLUTION, BECAUSE I'M HEARING TEMPORARY SOLUTIONS, GREAT.

BUT IF YOU HAVE TO BUY A RIGHT OF WAY TO DO A TEMPORARY SOLUTION, WE'RE STILL SORT OF BACK TO THE SAME.

SO SO I THINK THERE'S SOME LEVELS THERE.

SO WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED THAT FIVE AND ONE HALF MILLION WOULD BE TO TO BUY THE RIGHT OF WAY IN BETWEEN THE SECTIONS OF SIDEWALK THAT WE DON'T THAT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION RIGHT. THIS WOULD BE TO BUY WHAT WE WOULD NEED AND PUT IT AND MATCH IT UP, PUT IT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS WHERE IT DON'T HAVE TO TEAR IT OUT. RIGHT. THERE MAY BE SOME POSSIBILITIES TO PUT IN A TEMPORARY WHEN I SAY LIKE A FOUR FOOT, JUST KIND OF IN EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY, OR THERE MAY BE A POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO BUY A SMALL PIECE OF RIGHT OF WAY JUST TO GET IT OUTSIDE THE ROAD.

SO I THINK THERE'S LEVELS IN THERE.

OKAY. MY GOAL WOULD BE, I MEAN, IF IT WERE ME AND I HAD UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF FUNDS AND OF COURSE WE WANT TO JUST DO THE ROADWAY OR IF YOU HAVE TO BUY THE RIGHT OF WAY, THEN I WOULD PREFER TO JUST BUY THE RIGHT OF WAY.

NOW PUT THE SIDEWALK WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND DO THE ROAD.

SO I THINK THERE'S LEVELS IN THERE.

WE GAVE A NUMBER THAT WOULD BE TO PURCHASE THE RIGHT OF WAY, FULL WIDTH, RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE WOULD NEED EVENTUALLY ANYWAY, TO DO THE ROAD, PUT THE SIDEWALK WHERE IT NEEDS TO

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GO, NEVER HAVE TO TOUCH THE SIDEWALK AGAIN.

GOOD TO GO. BUT I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT WHERE KIND OF THOSE PINCH POINTS ARE AND IF MAYBE THERE'S ROOM TO PUT A FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG SIDE THE ROADWAY.

NOT THE SAFEST THING, BUT AT LEAST THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE ROADWAY IN A IN A PATH.

SO I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.

BUT MY WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT, I WOULD SAY THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME POINTS THAT REQUIRE PURCHASE OF RIGHT OF WAY EITHER WAY.

YEAH. YEAH. SO YEAH, YOU'LL BE COMING BACK EVEN IF IT'S FOR A TEMPORARY SOLUTION WITH SORT OF A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS OF HOW MUCH NEEDS TO BE, I MEAN, FORGET TRYING TO DO THE PERMANENT, BUT EVEN TO DO A TEMPORARY IS GOING TO TAKE QUITE A BIT OF STUDY, QUITE A BIT OF LOOKING AT THE WE WOULD HAVE TO GET A DESIGN FIRM TO COME IN AND DO SURVEY, DETERMINE WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO. OKAY. WELL, AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THERE IS ACTUALLY THERE IS A DRAINAGE ISSUE DOWN THERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS EVENTUALLY BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A SUFFICIENT DRAINAGE PUT IN THERE.

THAT AND IT LITERALLY FLOODS THE ROAD AND FLOODS OVER INTO WHICH IS GOING TO FLOOD THE SIDEWALK AS WELL.

SO WHEN WE DO, THE DESIGN FIRM IS GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT NOT ONLY THE ACCESSIBILITY AND WHAT SIDE OF THE ROAD THEY PUT IT ON, BUT WHILE WE'RE THERE, I WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AT LEAST GIVING COUNCIL A FULL PICTURE OF WHAT THE DRAINAGE ISSUES ARE AS WELL.

ABSOLUTELY. AND A LARGE PORTION OF THE FULL WIDTH OF MCKINNEY WOULD BE DRAINAGE RELATED.

IT WAS THE SAME THING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE LOOP, MCKINNEY PHASE, PHASE ONE AND TWO.

AND THE MAYHILL SECTION WAS VERY EXTENSIVE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.

SO. OKAY.

ONE LAST QUESTION.

YEAH, THIS IS A TAX RELATED QUESTION.

YEAH. YEAH. JUST REAL BRIEFLY, YOU SAID THAT YOU ANTICIPATE A 9% AND THAT'S A PROJECTION.

I GET THAT OF THAT JUST FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES OR JUST FOR PURPOSES I DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS IT.

OF THAT 9%, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH OF THAT IS INCREASED NEW CONSTRUCTION VALUE AND HOW MUCH OF THAT IS IS JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE ORGANIC GROWTH OF ASSESSED VALUES BECAUSE THOSE ARE HANDLED DIFFERENTLY AS FAR AS QUOTE UNQUOTE, NO NEW TAX RATE, QUOTE UNQUOTE.

SO ANY IDEA ON THAT? AND IF NOT, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. JUST I DON'T OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY PUT SOMETHING IN THE FRIDAY REPORT FOR YOU.

THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE.

YOU BET. THAT'S IT. MAYOR, THANK YOU.

THANKS. SO JUST REAL QUICK, SO THE JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND THOSE TRACKING ALONG.

YOU DID A GREAT JOB ON THE TAX RATE YOU MENTIONED.

SO DEBT IS WHAT? HOW DOES THAT COME TOGETHER? SO IT'S WHAT WE ISSUED THAT YEAR THAT WE ALREADY ARE AWARE OF AND IT IS WELL, PROJECTIONS, PROJECTED DEBT SO DEBT WE'VE ISSUED AND FUTURE DEBT IN THE IN OUR FISCAL YEAR.

SO FOR 2024 YOU'RE PAYING FOR ALL THE PREVIOUS DEBT, INCLUDING THE DEBT THAT WAS ISSUED THIS YEAR.

SO WE JUST HAD ON THE SIXTH, I BELIEVE, OF JUNE, WE CAME TO COUNCIL WITH OUR PERMANENT OR FINAL DEBT SALE.

THOSE NUMBERS ARE BAKED INTO THE 24 NUMBER.

THE 25 TAX DEBT TAX RATE INCLUDES THE FORECASTED DEBT FOR 24.

SO IT'S KIND OF ALWAYS A ROLLING FORECAST, BUT 24 IS WHAT BASED ON.

IT'S ALSO BASED ON THE PRELIMINARY ASSESSED VALUES.

SO ONCE WE GET THE CERTIFIED, THAT COULD CHANGE THE OVERALL TAX RATE A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S BASED ON CURRENT DEBT SERVICE AMOUNTS.

25 IS CURRENT PLUS FUTURE, AND THEN OPERATIONS IS JUST OPERATING THE CITY THAT FISCAL YEAR.

SO WHAT WE POLICE, FIRE STAFF, ALL THAT STUFF GOES INTO THAT OPERATION.

YES, PERFECT. OKAY.

AND THEN I DO HAVE A.

UM. WATER QUESTION.

WE HAVE STEVEN HERE.

JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THOSE METERS.

ARE THOSE THE UNDERSTANDING? THEY COMMUNICATE BETTER, BUT I'M MORE INTERESTED IN THE METERING OF THE WATER USAGE.

IS THAT INCORPORATED IN THAT THAT NEW TECHNOLOGY? I'VE HEARD EVERYTHING FROM LASERS TO THIS TO THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU WHAT'S BAKED IN HERE THAT DOES THE ACTUAL WATER METERING, IF YOU WILL? OKAY. STEPHEN GAY DIRECTOR, WATER UTILITIES.

GREAT QUESTION, MAYOR.

THERE ARE ACTUALLY NEW METERS AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH A PROOF OF CONCEPT EXERCISE RIGHT NOW TO IDENTIFY THE EXACT TECHNOLOGY.

BUT MOST LIKELY THERE WILL BE AN ULTRASONIC METER THAT MEASURES THE FLOW THROUGH THE PIPE.

OKAY. SO WHENEVER THAT COMES BACK, I'D LOVE TO JUST SEE WHAT YOU SUMMARIZE.

HERE'S WHAT WE STUDIED.

HERE'S WHERE WE LANDED.

THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW.

JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES OUT THERE WANT TO KNOW, JUST HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE LANDED.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEP. AND THEN I WAS FOR THE MCKINNEY CONVERSATION.

JUST WHAT? JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHEN YOU COME BACK.

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I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY HOMES ARE AFFECTED BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY YOU GET RIGHT AWAY.

AND THERE'S THERE'S SOME ISSUES THERE.

CERTAINLY THERE'S SOME THAT ARE RIGHT UP AGAINST MCKINNEY.

AND SO AND ALSO AND THIS MAY BE A SEPARATE LEGAL CONVERSATION, BUT I'LL USE BONNIE BRAE AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE.

AND FOR MY PEERS UNDERSTANDING WE'LL HAVE SEVERAL PUBLIC MEETINGS BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION.

YES. AND WHAT YOU HAVE IS ON BONNIE BRAE, YOU HAVE OPPORTUNISTS THAT SAY, OKAY, THE CITY'S GOT TO BUY ALL THESE HOUSES BECAUSE THEY'RE WIDENING THE STREET.

I'M GOING TO GO IN AND PULL A DON KING SUITCASE FULL OF CASH AND GO BUY HOUSES TO THEN COMPLICATE OUR PROBLEMS OF ACQUIRING LAND. SO THE NUMBER YOU HAVE AND THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING IS A PROBLEM.

IT'S OCCUPATIONAL HAZARDS.

I'M JUST SAYING THOSE ARE CHALLENGES WE FACE IT AND WE DON'T IT JUST WE CANNOT MOVE AS FAST AS, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO ON THESE THINGS TO SECURE OUR INTEREST.

SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY HOUSES ARE AFFECTED AND WHAT OUR PROJECTIONS ARE THERE.

BUT THEN ALSO I'D ASK STAFF TO TO AS I LOOK AT I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS AND I WANT YOUR INPUT ON THIS.

IF I LOOK AT WOODROW AND I SAY I WANT TO MAKE MY WAY ALL THE WAY DOWNTOWN, IF I GO WOODROW ON MCKINNEY AND THEN PARDON ME ON MCKINNEY SAID A COUPLE OF BLOCKS.

EAST AND I'M MAKING MY WALKING WEST ON MCKINNEY.

I CAN COME. I LEAVE MACK PARK, LET'S SAY, AND I'M WALKING TOWARDS WOODROW.

I GET TO WOODROW. THE SIDEWALK THERE, RIGHT.

ALL THE WAY IN FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE.

AND THERE'S JUST THAT ONE STRETCH WHERE THERE'S NO WHERE, AND THAT'S THE COUNTY PROPERTY.

AND THEN IT CONNECTS BACK UP WITH THE SIDEWALK.

WELL, AT THAT STREET, THAT THAT STREET WOULD BE.

GET OUT OF HERE WOULD BE RUDDELL.

YOU TAKE RUDDELL DOWN TO HICKORY AND HICKORY IS BRAND NEW AND IT HAS HOT SIDEWALK THE ENTIRE WAY.

SO I WOULD JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND IF A STRATEGY IS TO EDUCATE PEOPLE TO SAY, HERE'S A WALKING PATH, IT'S ONE BLOCK DOWN.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE WALKING FROM MACK PARK TO DOWNTOWN, ONE BLOCK DOWN TO GET ON THE SIDEWALK, TO GET OFF A MAJOR ROAD WHERE THERE IS SIDEWALK THE ENTIRE STRETCH, AND YOU WALK IN FRONT OF OUR BRAND NEW SOON TO BE REBUILT OR REMODELED POLICE STATION, HOW YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SAFEST.

AND THEN YOU HAVE A KIND OF A GATED AND CONTROLLED CROSSING ACROSS THE TRAIN TRACKS.

IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE DOWNTOWN STATION TO COOL OFF, YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT.

THERE'S RESTROOMS THERE. THERE'S RESTAURANTS.

YOU CAN GO INTO THE POLICE STATION IF IT'S DURING BUSINESS HOURS, COOL OFF, GET WATER, THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

AND SO I THINK THAT IS THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE STRETCH THAT'S OWNED BY THE COUNTY THAT YOU HAVE TO CONNECT.

AND AND SO I WOULD I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE US TO GET CREATIVE ABOUT THAT.

NOW, IF YOU'RE GOING FURTHER DOWN TOWARDS THE LOOP, THEN THEN I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S THAT MANY PEOPLE WALKING FROM THOSE AREAS.

I DON'T KNOW WITH THE WITH THE FOOT TRAFFIC IS I'VE NOT SEEN THOSE THOSE REPORTS OR STUDIES, BUT AT LEAST FROM MACK PARK ALL THE WAY DOWNTOWN AND BEYOND, YOU CAN HAVE SIDEWALK THE ENTIRE STRAIGHT STRETCH.

YOU JUST HAVE TO DROP DOWN ON RYDELL OR PICK PICK WHATEVER.

ONE OF THOSE STREETS, THEY ALL DROP DOWN TO HICKORY AND GO STRAIGHT INTO THE TO DOWNTOWN.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S AS TO GET CREATIVE AND EDUCATE PEOPLE AND MAKE SOMETHING WORK.

IT DOESN'T TAKE AS MUCH AS AS IS PROJECTED.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANT TO DO IT RIGHT.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING QUICKLY, THEN THAT'S AN OPTION.

AND THEN.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THIS, BECAUSE WE TOUCHED ON IT.

RIGHT? WHEN THE BONDS HAPPEN.

THAT'S A HEY, WE HOPE TO DO THESE THINGS.

NOT GUARANTEEING WE'RE GOING TO DO THEM.

AND WE'VE BEEN GREAT ABOUT GOING BACK AND GETTING MONEY AND SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO STICK AND SAY WHAT WE COMMIT TO WHAT WE'VE DONE AND FIND NEW MONEY TO DO THESE THINGS VERSUS WALK AWAY.

AM I RIGHT SO FAR? RIGHT. AND SO THEN MY POINT, THOUGH, IS AND I'M GOING TO SAY THIS REGULARLY.

IF WE COULD.

PARTNER WITH SOMEONE.

THAT SAY SAYS WE'RE GOING TO CONTRIBUTE X AMOUNT OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO THIS PROJECT, NOT A PENNY MORE.

THEN THAT PRIVATE COMPANY SAYS, OKAY, WE'LL WORK WITH YOU.

THEY BUILD IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE OVERRUNS.

IS THAT IS THAT RIGHT? YOU CAN STRUCTURE A CONTRACT THAT SAYS ALL IN, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU $30 MILLION.

NOT A PENNY MORE.

AND HERE'S WHAT WE EXPECT.

THEY AGREE. WE AGREE GOES THROUGH LEGAL.

WE CAN PAPER THAT AND HAVE AND PROTECT THE TAXPAYERS INTEREST WITH A FIXED AMOUNT.

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RIGHT. IT DEPENDS ON THE DEAL STRUCTURE.

AND USUALLY THERE'S SOME LAND INVOLVED ON THE PUBLIC SIDE.

BUT. YES.

AND WHAT ARE THOSE CALLED? PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.

OKAY. I WASN'T SURE WHAT THOSE WERE CALLED, BUT THEY PROTECT THE TAXPAYERS AND GIVE A FINITE IT'S A FIXED NUMBER ONCE ALL THE DEALS ARE WORKED OUT.

RIGHT. AND THEN SO YOU HAVE THIS AGREEMENT THAT SAYS WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND ANY MORE MONEY THAN WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO.

IF IT OVERRUNS IF IT RAINS A LOT, ALL THOSE THINGS, WE'RE PROTECTED.

IT'S IT'S A RISK MITIGATION TOOL.

IT HELPS SHARE THE RISK.

INSTEAD OF THE CITY TAKING ON THE FULL RISK OF THE PROJECT.

GOT IT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COUNCIL MEMBER. MCGEE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN ABOUT TEMPORARY SIDEWALKS AND TREVOR, YOU DON'T NEED TO GET UP.

BUT WHEN I SAY TEMPORARY AND I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

I WANT SOME PLASTIC BOLLARDS ON MCKINNEY.

I WANT TO SEPARATE THE SHOULDER FROM THE ROAD.

THAT'S THAT'S EVEN MORE TEMPORARY AND THAT IS CHEAPER.

I JUST WANT TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE WALKING.

NOW, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT A SIDEWALK CONVERSATION, BUT WHEN I SAID THE WORD TEMPORARY, I WAS MEANING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SOMETHING THAT GIVES FOLKS WHO ARE WALKING OR USING WHEELCHAIRS OR BIKING OR PUSHING STROLLERS ALONG THE ROADWAY SOME PROTECTION.

NOW, JUST TO BE CLEAR, NOW WE HEAR YOU.

I THINK JUST TO BE JUST SO YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT THIS, THERE MAY BE A DISCUSSION WE HAVE TO HAVE WITH A PROPERTY OWNER JUST TO MAKE THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN AREA THAT LITERALLY THE THE ROAD GOES INTO SORT OF A DITCH AREA.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN FRONT OF MACK PARK APARTMENT COMPLEX.

YES, I LIVE THERE. YES.

YES. SO WE HAVE TO BE WE'LL JUST HAVE TO BE VERY CREATIVE AND VERY CAREFUL HOW WE DO IT.

BUT WE WE AGREE.

WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.

HAPPY TO INVITE TWO OF YOU TO JOIN ME WALKING FROM MY APARTMENT COMPLEX TO SONIC SO Y'ALL CAN TRACK ALONG AND UNDERSTAND MY SAFETY CONCERNS.

APPRECIATE Y'ALL. OKAY, SO TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, I ACTUALLY HAVE WALKED HERE AND HE IS RIGHT ABOUT THE SIDEWALK, THE LACK OF SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY THERE.

SO I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR POINTING THAT OUT.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TAKES US TO ITEM C ID 23601 RECEIVE REPORT HOLD DISCUSSION ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

[C. Receive a report and hold a discussion on the Police Department Overview. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

OVERVIEW.

AND NO EXERCISE.

OH, LIKE I SAID, I WAS GOING TO.

OH, THANK YOU.

JUST RIGHT NOW. GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU.

FOR. OKAY.

WOULD YOU CALL? I'LL CERTAINLY TELL YOU THAT THAT'S NOT IT. THE LAWYER.

THE LAWYER SAID. I'M MEAN, WE'RE LOADED ON HERE SOMEWHERE.

BUT. I JUST DO THE PDF FILE.

OKAY, I'LL PLAY ALONG.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL DOUG SHUMAKER, CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE CITY OF DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT, HERE TO TALK TODAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR KIND OF AN UPDATE AND A 2022 ANNUAL REPORT. GO OVER A FEW THINGS HERE.

TALK ABOUT REALLY HOW THE YEAR WENT AND REVIEW AND THEN ALSO TALK A LITTLE BIT FUTURISTIC AS WELL ABOUT WHAT'S TAKING PLACE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEPARTMENT.

SO A PLEASURE TO BE HERE.

I HAVE SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE TODAY AS WELL TOO.

SO IF FOR SOME QUESTIONS AT THE END, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE THOSE AND WORK THROUGH THEM APPROPRIATELY.

SO THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY THE RIGHT THING.

THIS IS THE REPORT. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT'S UP.

WE SHOULD HAVE A PRESENTATION.

SOMEWHERE. THAT'S UP FOR THAT.

OKAY. BUT IT WAS A GREAT INTRO.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

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SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JUST VERY QUICKLY GO OVER OUR MISSION, VISION, VISION AND CORE VALUES, THE STRUCTURE OF THE DEPARTMENT REVIEW OF REALLY 2022 ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND SOME DATA.

AND THEN TO ME, MOST IMPORTANTLY, 2023 MOVING INTO THE FUTURE, THINGS WE'RE MOST EXCITED ABOUT AS WE GO INTO THE REST OF THIS YEAR AND INTO THE NEXT YEARS. SO VERY BRIEFLY, I'M NOT REALLY GOING TO WALK THROUGH IT MUCH, BUT THESE ARE OUR CURRENT VISION, SORRY, MISSION, VISION AND VALUE STATEMENTS AS THEY WERE AS THESE WERE SET PRIOR TO MY TIME COMING IN.

BUT I THINK THEY CERTAINLY STILL HOLD TRUE AND ACCOUNTABLE TO WHAT WE'RE ABOUT.

WE STILL KEEP THE SAME VALUES, THE PRIDE, THE PROFESSIONAL RESPECT, INTEGRITY, DEDICATION AND EXCELLENCE PIECE THAT SERVES AS THE FOCUS AND THE CORE OF WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE DO IT.

DEPARTMENT STRUCTURE IS.

THIS IS JUST WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT ITSELF.

OBVIOUSLY, MY BOSS, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, DIXON, AND OF COURSE, CITY MANAGER HENSLEY AS WELL IN THAT STRUCTURE AND THEN COUNCIL UP VERY TOP. BUT WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT ITSELF, IT CONSISTS OF ME AND I HAVE SEVERAL FOLKS THAT I GET TO WORK WITH IN THE EXEC TEAM, WHICH INCLUDE SHANIKA MAYO, WHO'S PRESENT TODAY, AND ASSISTANT CHIEF BUCHANAN.

THIS IS 2022.

SO THIS WAS AS OF END OF YEAR 2022.

THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW CHANGES SINCE THAT TIME.

DEPUTY CHIEF SALAS IS ONE OF THOSE CHANGES.

DEPUTY CHIEF COSE IS HERE AS WELL.

SUZANNE COLETTA, WHO RUNS OUR DISPATCH CENTER AND OF COURSE, OUR MEDIA RELATIONS FOLKS.

SENIOR ADMIN ASSISTANT AND THEN OUR ACCREDITATION AND COMPLIANCE MANAGER, DR.

RICHARD WILLIAMS. SO THAT'S JUST OUR GENERAL STRUCTURE.

NO MAJOR CHANGES FOR THE MOST PART SINCE SINCE FORMER CHIEF DIXON WAS AT THE DEPARTMENT.

JUST SOME OF THE NAMES HAVE CHANGED WITH SOME RETIREMENTS AS WE'VE MOVED FORWARD.

SO LOOKING BACK AT 2022, SOME THINGS I THINK WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF, THINGS THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT.

I THINK THE BIGGEST THING WOULD BE THE WORK THAT WENT INTO THE ACCREDITATION PROCESS, AND WE WERE ABLE TO FINALLY REALIZE THAT TOWARDS THE END OF 2022, RIGHT AFTER I GOT HERE, AS A MATTER OF FACT, AND GET THE ACCREDITATION THROUGH TEXAS POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION.

AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT EVERY FOUR YEARS WE'RE GOING TO GET RE IT'S IT'S A VERY, VERY LONG PROCESS.

WE'VE ALREADY HALFWAY THROUGH REALLY FIGURING OUT NEXT YEAR'S OR THE CURRENT YEAR'S RE ACCREDITATION PROCESS BECAUSE EVERY YEAR YOU HAVE TO ACCOMPLISH SOME THINGS TO GET THAT EVENTUAL RE ACCREDITATION.

THERE ARE ABOUT 175 DIFFERENT THINGS STANDARDS YOU HAVE TO MEET TO GAIN ACCREDITATION.

AND I THINK THERE ARE 180, MAYBE A FEW MORE AGENCIES WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT ACHIEVE THAT.

SO IT'S COSTLY, IT'S TIME CONSUMING, BUT IT ALSO SHOWS A DEDICATION TO PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

WE ALSO COMPLETED DEPARTMENT WIDE ABLE TRAINING, WHICH IS ACTIVE BYSTANDER FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND WHAT THAT BASICALLY MEANS IS MAKING SURE THAT OUR PERSONNEL ARE EQUIPPED TO GO IN AND DO THE THINGS THEY NEED TO DO, DEALING WITH ISSUES AS THEY ARISE AND MAKING SURE WE REACT AND RESPOND APPROPRIATELY AND MAKING SURE OUR COWORKERS DO THE SAME.

WE ARE ALSO AT THE END OF THE 2022, WE BEGAN DEPARTMENT WIDE BELONGING AND PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, SOMETHING I THINK THAT WE DEFINITELY HAVE SOME WORK TO DO ON AND THAT WILL BE MENTIONED LATER IN THE 2023 GOALS.

THE CHIEF POLICE ADVISORY BOARD WAS SET UP SOME TIME AGO.

AND THE ORDINANCE, I BELIEVE, SAYS THAT THERE ARE FOUR MEETINGS PER YEAR.

IT'S MADE UP OF SEVEN MEMBERS APPOINTED BY ONE OF EACH FROM EACH OF YOU MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, INCLUDING THE MAYOR.

AND THERE ARE MEMBERS FROM THE CITY MANAGER APPOINTED BY THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

MEMORY SERVES AN EXEC TEAM MEMBER, A DEPUTY CHIEF OR HIGHER FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

A MEMBER OF THE DENTON POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION, THE DENTON MUNICIPAL POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION OR POLICE ASSOCIATION.

AND AND I'M FORGETTING THE FOURTH PERSON DRAWING A BLANK ON THAT FOURTH PERSON.

OH, A MEMBER OF THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

SO THAT'S THAT.

AND THEN I HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE SORT OF NON-VOTING MEMBERS.

WE HAVE THE CHIEF, SHE'S ON IT.

WE HAVE TWU AND SOME OTHER FOLKS THAT JUST SERVE AS NON-VOTING MEMBERS.

THEY JUST SORT OF SHOW UP TO LEND THEIR EXPERTISE AS THEY CAN.

SO WE REPORT OUT TWICE PER YEAR.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE REPORT OUTS.

AND AND THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN THERE, WE'VE MET TWICE AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO MEET.

WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON GETTING SOME MOVEMENT FORWARD TO REESTABLISH THE TERMS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE TERMS ALL END AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH IS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE EVERYBODY GOES OFF AT THE SAME TIME AND GOES ON AT THE SAME TIME.

SO THE RETRAINING AND SORT OF GETTING TOGETHER IS IS A REALLY A CHALLENGE.

THERE HAVE BEEN NO RECOMMENDATIONS AT ALL BY THIS GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS WHO GIVE THEIR TIME TO SHOW UP FOR THE ADVISORY BOARD MEETINGS.

THERE ARE ALWAYS SOME GREAT CONVERSATIONS.

SO FAR WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FAIR AND IMPARTIAL POLICING.

OUR INTERNAL AFFAIRS PROCESS.

THE SRO PROGRAM TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT STRATEGIC PLANNING, PATH FORWARD, SUCCESSION PLANNING AS WELL.

SOME OTHER THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES IN THE LAST FEW MEETINGS WE'VE HAD.

SO THEY'VE BEEN GOOD CONVERSATIONS.

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I'M GOING TO ZIP THROUGH SOME DATA FAIRLY QUICK BECAUSE I'M GUESSING GENERALLY WITH POLICE REPORTS, USUALLY PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE QUESTIONS AND SO ON.

WE'LL JUMP TO THOSE SINCE I KNOW WE HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT THIS IS JUST A COMPARISON OF 2021 AND 2022 CRIMES REPORTED.

YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SOME SIMILARITIES FROM YEAR TO YEAR IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER THEY SHIFT EVERY SO OFTEN GO UP AND DOWN.

BUT THE THEFT OF PROPERTY TYPICALLY IS OUR HIGHEST, AND THAT NUMBERED AROUND 922 FOR 2022.

AND THEN ASSAULT WITH BODILY INJURY, FAMILY MEMBER, BURGLARY OF VEHICLES, ANOTHER ROUND OF THEFTS.

DWI IS A CHALLENGE HERE AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES TO DEAL WITH.

AND THEN MORE THEFT PROPERTY REPORTS AS WELL TOO.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THOSE NUMBERS AGAIN SHIFT UP AND DOWN FROM YEAR TO YEAR.

BUT SOME OF THE SAME NAMES ARE ARE THE ARE FREQUENT AND AND OCCUR YEAR TO YEAR WITHIN OUR STATS.

CALLS FOR SERVICE CONTINUE TO CLIMB.

WE HAD A TOTAL OF 116,000 A LITTLE OVER CALLS FOR SERVICE IN 2022.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE DEMAND FOR SERVICES CONTINUES TO INCREASE.

AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST FOR US.

IT SEEMS TO HAPPEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF POLICING IN GENERAL.

BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE SIT OVER THE COURSE OF THOSE YEARS.

VIOLENT PROPERTY CRIMES, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CHARTS THOSE HAVE GONE UP.

SO WE'RE DEALING WITH SOME OF THOSE ISSUES DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTED TO A NUMBER OF FACTORS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE ARE FORTUNATE IN THAT WE ARE A LARGE ENOUGH DEPARTMENT WHERE WE CAN HAVE PEOPLE THAT SPECIALIZE IN CERTAIN TYPES OF CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS, WHETHER THAT BE THE SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT OR WHETHER IT BE NARCOTICS OR WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE.

OF COURSE, AS WE GROW, THE CHALLENGE IS THAT WE HAVE TO STAFF THOSE POSITIONS AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO GO AND DO THE JOB THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

THAT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE COUNCIL'S CONTINUED DEDICATION TO THAT EFFORT.

MENTAL HEALTH DATA, SOMETHING WE GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE RESPOND TO.

I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT WHEN I STARTED POLICING QUITE SOME TIME AGO, WELL OVER THREE DECADES, THE NUMBER OF MENTAL HEALTH CALLS WERE NOWHERE NEAR AT ALL WHAT THEY ARE TODAY, AND THEY CERTAINLY WEREN'T CLASSIFIED AS SUCH.

NOW, TODAY, WE'RE MORE AWARE OF THE CHALLENGES WE FACE IN TERMS OF THE MENTAL HEALTH DATA, AND THOSE NUMBERS CONTINUE TO CLIMB.

WE ARE LUCKY THAT WE HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH UNIT THAT IS WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY TO DO WHAT THEY CAN TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE GET TO THE APPROPRIATE SERVICES AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE NECESSARILY GOING THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, WHICH MIGHT NOT BE THE PLACE FOR FOLKS THAT ARE THAT ARE MAYBE SUFFERING SOME SORT OF MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS POTENTIALLY.

SO WE'LL, I'M SURE, CONTINUE TO SEE AN INCREASE IN THOSE TYPES OF CALLS.

OVERDOSE CALLS FOR SERVICE.

THOSE CONTINUE TO GO UP.

AND THOSE ARE VARIOUS TYPES OF DRUGS OR COMBINATION OF DRUGS, CERTAINLY, BUT WE CONTINUE TO SEE THAT CLIMB.

DAWE I MENTIONED THAT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.

WE SEE THE NUMBER OF CASES ALONG WITH THE NUMBER OF CRASHES THAT MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME ALCOHOL AND OR DRUGS OR A COMBINATION THEREOF INVOLVED IN THE CRASH OR THE CAUSE OF THE CRASH.

YOU CAN SEE THE PERCENTAGE THAT IS LISTED BELOW IN TERMS OF THE PERCENTAGE OF TRAFFIC CRASHES DUE TO INTOXICATION OR IMPAIRMENT.

AGAIN, ALCOHOL, DRUGS OR COMBINATION.

LOOKING FORWARD, THOUGH, IN 2023, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS WE'D LIKE TO ACCOMPLISH.

WE HAVE WORK TO DO ON OUR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES OR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, AS YOU MAY WANT TO REFER TO THEM.

THAT'S BEEN A WORK IN PROGRESS SINCE FORMER CHIEF DIXON WAS WAS CERTAINLY WORKING HARD ON THAT.

WITH OUR ACCREDITATION AND COMPLIANCE SECTION.

WE HAD A LIEUTENANT THAT WAS WORKING ON THAT AS WELL.

STILL A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

AND WITH OUR ACCREDITED ACCREDITATION, WE'RE WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE POLICIES AND THOSE THOSE RULES THAT MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW ALL OF THOSE THOSE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TO FOR TEXAS POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION ACCREDITATION.

ONE THING WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING AT THE END OF THIS YEAR IS INSTITUTE A MULTI-YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN, AND THAT WILL PROBABLY OCCUR AFTER BUDGETS FINALIZED.

SO WE KIND OF HAVE A DIRECTION IN TERMS OF WHAT WHAT OUR FUNDING MECHANISMS ARE FOR ADVANCEMENT OF PEOPLE WHO WE MIGHT HAVE, WHAT POSITIONS WE MIGHT HAVE.

BUT THAT'S ALSO GOING TO BE DONE AFTER WORKING WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT TO TALK TO FOLKS ABOUT EVERYBODY'S VISION FOR COLLECTIVELY.

ONE THING THAT I LIKE TO DO IS COLLABORATE ON THAT KIND OF THING.

I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT NEEDS TO COME FROM MY OFFICE SOLELY, BUT IT'S NICE TO HAVE THE VOICE OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE DOING THE WORK SO THEY HAVE BUY IN AND THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF VOICES TO, QUITE FRANKLY, THE DIRECTION THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE US MOVE AND WHAT THINGS ARE WORKING AND MAYBE WHAT THINGS NEED TO BE IMPROVED UPON.

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RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION IS A CHALLENGE, MORE SO SINCE 2020.

I THINK IN POLICE AGENCIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

WE ARE NOT UNIQUE IN THAT.

I WOULD SAY WE'RE DOING BETTER THAN A LOT OF AGENCIES AND I THINK I CAN SAY THAT WITH SOME LEVEL OF AUTHORITY BECAUSE I DEAL WITH A LOT OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, NOT ONLY IN NORTH TEXAS BUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND REALLY EVEN ACROSS THE WORLD.

SO I'M HEARING THE SAME TYPE OF STORIES IN TERMS OF GETTING PEOPLE TO THE JOB.

IT'S A CHALLENGE GETTING PEOPLE TO STAY IN THE JOB AS A CHALLENGE.

BUT NONETHELESS, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN DO TO ENSURE THAT NOT ONLY DO WE RECRUIT THE RIGHT PEOPLE FOR THE JOB, BUT WE RETAIN THE RIGHT PEOPLE AS WELL ONCE WE GET THEM ON BOARD. FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF SUPERVISORS IS A MAJOR TASK.

GETTING PEOPLE TO PREPARE TO LEAD BEFORE THEY'RE ACTUALLY LEADERS.

WE ALL HAVE VERY IN OUR OWN ORGANIZATIONS, NOT ONLY JUST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND PERHAPS WITH YOUR OWN ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU WORK WITH.

WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE FANTASTIC, INFORMAL LEADERS THAT ARE READY FOR DEVELOPMENT AND NEED.

THAT NEXT STEP AND SOME OF THAT TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE IN PLACE.

SOMETHING I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IS WORKING WITH THE FBI TO BRING THE WHAT'S CALLED THE LITA TRILOGY, AND THAT'S THE LAW ENFORCEMENT EXECUTIVE DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION.

IT'S A TRILOGY OF THREE CLASSES THAT KIND OF HELP WITH THREE STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT IN LEADERSHIP.

IT'S A VERY ELITE TRAINING.

WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT IN THE LATTER PART OF 2024.

BEFORE THAT, WE WILL BE HOSTING A TEN WEEK COMMAND SCHOOL THROUGH NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF POLICE STAFF AND COMMAND, WHICH THERE ARE THREE MAJOR COMMAND SCHOOLS WITHIN THE COUNTRY, I WOULD SAY THE FBI ACADEMY, SOUTHERN POLICE INSTITUTE, AND THEN NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY BASED OUT OF EVANSTON, ILLINOIS.

THAT'S A TEN WEEK PROGRAM FOR ADVANCED MANAGEMENT LEADERSHIP TYPE OF TOPICS.

AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE'LL BE HOSTING THEM, THE NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY CLASS HERE AT DENTON PD STARTING, I BELIEVE IT'S APRIL 15TH OR APRIL 16TH OF 2024.

SO VERY EXCITING FOR US FOR SURE.

AND OF COURSE, ILIA OVER IN PLANO, WHICH IS A GREAT ORGANIZATION THAT DOES SOME DEFINITELY OUT OF THE BOX TYPE THINKING AND LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT.

ONE THING THAT WE'RE REALLY SORT OF EXCITED, EXCITED ABOUT, BUT STILL TRYING TO FIND OUR WAY IS CONSIDERING WHAT WELLNESS MEANS TO US.

THAT'S IMPORTANT PIECE BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WE'RE QUITE THERE YET WITH UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE MOST FOCUSED ON IN TERMS OF WELLNESS.

DOES THAT MEAN PHYSICAL WELLNESS? DOES THAT MEAN PSYCHOLOGICAL WELLNESS? DOES IT MEAN FINANCIAL WELLNESS? IS IT A COMBINATION? SO WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO EVERYBODY.

AND THEN ONCE WE COLLECT ALL THE DATA FOR THAT, WE'RE GOING TO TALK INTERNALLY AS TO DIRECTION FORWARD.

IT'S A BIG THING FOR US BECAUSE WE DEAL WITH A LOT OF UNIQUE ISSUES IN POLICING.

SOME FOLKS DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT WE ENCOUNTER ON A REGULAR BASIS, WHETHER THAT'S EXTERNAL STRESSORS FROM FOLKS THAT MAYBE JUST DON'T LOVE THE POLICE OR QUITE FRANKLY, THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT WE SHOW UP TO THAT JUST HAVE A VERY DEEP PSYCHOLOGICAL IMPACT, WHETHER THAT'S DELIVERING DEATH NOTIFICATIONS, RESPONDING TO FATAL ACCIDENTS, DEALING WITH HOMICIDE SCENES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THEY ALL ADD UP.

AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR PEOPLE ARE SAFE IN TERMS OF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN DO THEIR JOB AND THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE SUPPORTED AND THEY CAN GET THE APPROPRIATE HELP THEY NEED WHEN THEY HAVE WHEN THEY GO THROUGH CHALLENGES.

LASTLY, COMPLETING ALL THE POLICE FACILITIES, AS YOU ALL KNOW, AND HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME SEE THE SUBSTATION.

WE'RE SUPER PROUD OF THAT.

THAT'S GOING WELL.

A FEW GLITCHES HERE AND THERE, BUT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE.

THE HQ WILL HOPEFULLY BE FINISHED.

ALL SIGNS POINT TO BE FINISHED IN THIS CALENDAR YEAR.

I'M HEARING.

LATE JULY, SEPTEMBER, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER ISH, RIGHT AROUND THERE.

SO WE'LL KEEP YOU POSTED ON WHERE THAT SITS.

BUT THOSE THOSE FACILITIES WILL BE ONCE THEY'RE COMPLETED.

MUCH BETTER WAY OF DOING BUSINESS.

AND I THINK IT'LL JUST BE MORE PRODUCTIVE FOR ALL OF US.

SO WE'RE CERTAINLY VERY EXCITED AND BLESSED TO BE A RECIPIENT OF THAT AND FINISH THAT OUT.

SO I KNOW I WENT THROUGH RATHER QUICKLY.

YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF THE ANNUAL REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT I FIGURED THERE MIGHT BE SOME QUESTIONS AND I HAVE SOME AMAZING SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS HERE IN THE ROOM WITH ME, BUT I'M HAPPY TO DEFER TO IF I NEED TO.

BUT. I.

YEAH, I THOUGHT I DID, BUT MAYBE I DIDN'T.

SO. ASSISTANT CHIEF BUCHANAN, DEPUTY CHIEF COE'S CHANCHAMAYO, AND THEN DEPUTY CHIEF TONY SOLIS AND MIKE CRONIG WORKS.

I MEAN, HE'S IN LEGAL, BUT MIKE WORKS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT QUITE A BIT, HELPING WITH A LOT OF STUFF, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.

SO THANK YOU.

MIKE SAYS NO A LOT.

I'M WORKING ON THAT. BUT HE SAYS YES ALL THE TIME TO ME.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING ON.

YEAH. NO, I'M KIDDING. I GOT TO GET BETTER QUESTIONS.

MACK COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND.

AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER.

MCGEE. THANK YOU.

AND. WHAT A FANTASTIC REPORT.

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I SEE ALISON BECKWITH AND AMY CUNNINGHAM, ARE THEY THE ARE THEY THE THE BRAINS BEHIND THIS? THEY ABSOLUTELY ARE.

THE ANNUAL REPORT IS A FIRST.

THEY DO ALL THE HARD WORK ON THAT.

AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE CREATIVITY AND THE CAPABILITY TO DO THAT WORK.

BUT IT IS REALLY A TRULY A GROUP EFFORT OF PEOPLE THAT BRING ALL THE INFORMATION TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO IT.

BUT THEY THEY'RE THE BRAINS BEHIND THAT OPERATION.

I DON'T PRETEND TO. IT'S OUTSTANDING.

I KNOW YOU'RE PROUD OF IT.

CALLS FOR SERVICE, VIOLENT AND PROPERTY CRIMES WITH WITH SOME FLUCTUATION THEY CONTINUE JUST TO ESCALATE A BIT.

IS THAT IS THAT TO BE EXPECTED? I I'M NOT SURE IF THE WORD EXPECTED IS THE RIGHT WORD.

ARE YOU SURPRISED THEN? NO. I MEAN, I'VE TALKED TO COLLEAGUES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND I'M SEEING THE SAME TYPE OF THING IN SOME AREAS.

THERE ARE DROPS.

IN CERTAIN AREAS THERE ARE SOME THERE IS SOME AREAS THAT ARE INCREASES.

EVERY UNIQUE EVERY CITY IS UNIQUE.

EVERY COMMUNITY IS UNIQUE IN THAT THE TYPES OF CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE.

DICTATES WHAT TAKES PLACE.

THERE ARE SOME SOME CRIMES THAT TAKE PLACE THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE THAT YOU WOULD ADDRESS THROUGH PREVENTATIVE OR PROACTIVE EFFORTS BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF WHAT THEY ARE.

THAT SAID, I THINK THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE IN FIGURING OUT HOW WE LOOK AT THE CRIMES THAT ARE TAKING PLACE AND HOW WE ADDRESS THOSE IN A MORE EFFICIENT WAY.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S CONSTANTLY IN POLICING ALL THE TIME.

WE SHOULD BE ALWAYS MOVING FORWARD TO FIGURE OUT DIFFERENT WAYS, AND THAT CAN VARY FROM YEAR TO YEAR IN TERMS OF HOW WE DO WHAT WE DO.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GROWING VERY QUICKLY.

WE DO HAVE THREE UNIVERSITIES, ONE OF WHICH IS EXTREMELY SIZABLE AND BOTH AND THE OTHER AND OF COURSE IS PRETTY LARGE TOO.

SO WHEN YOU ADD ANOTHER 60, 65,000 ISH PEOPLE INTO THE MIX ON TOP OF THE POPULATION WITH A POPULATION THAT'S GROWING, I THOUGHT THE CITY MANAGER SAID SOMETHING LIKE 23 OR 33 PEOPLE A DAY PER YEAR OR PER DAY LAST YEAR.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AND OUR GOAL IS TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THOSE.

SO WE TRIAGE THE CALLS AS WE CAN.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO STAFF OUT AND DO WHAT WE CAN TO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OUT THERE DOING THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN WHILE STILL BALANCING SOME OF THOSE PROACTIVE THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, DWI ENFORCEMENT AND, YOU KNOW, PRESENCE DOWNTOWN OR SOMEWHERE ELSE AS WE AS WE CONDUCT SOME FOOT PATROLS. THANK YOU.

YEP. COUNCILOR MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. DR.

SHOEMAKER, THANKS FOR COMING.

I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING YOUR TEAM AS WELL.

GOT A COUPLE OF QUICK HITTERS AND THEN I'LL ASK A FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU TO GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DEPTH AND DETAIL.

FIRST OFF, I.

I APPRECIATE SEEING YOU AND YOUR LOVELY WIFE OUT AT COMMUNITY EVENTS.

WE LIKE THOSE. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I THINK IT MATTERS WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY CAN CAN SEE THE POLICE CHIEF OUT AMONG THEM.

SO THANK YOU FOR FOR FOR DOING THAT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

HOTTER THAN HELL. AND I ALSO REALLY LOVE THAT YOU HAVE A COMMITMENT TO HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT SAFETY AND WELLNESS.

ARE YOU PLANNING ON WORKING WITH SOME TYPE OF OUTSIDE CONSULTANT TO HELP YOU COMPILE THE INFORMATION AND THEN IMPLEMENT A PLAN? GREAT QUESTION. WE'VE GOT THE INFORMATION.

WHAT I DID WAS I HAD TO KIND OF OPEN MEETINGS WHERE PEOPLE JUST SORT OF TALKED ABOUT WHAT THEY THOUGHT I WANTED TO GET WHAT'S ON PEOPLE'S HEARTS AND MINDS JUST TO DISCUSS WHAT WHAT'S THAT SITS LIKE FIRST, WE'VE HAD COMMITTEES OR GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER AND WE HAVE A PEER SUPPORT TEAM.

THERE'S SOME ROOM FOR EVOLUTION IN THAT TEAM.

THERE'S A ROOM, THERE'S ROOM FOR EVOLUTION.

AND A LOT OF THE THINGS I THINK WE'RE DOING.

BUT THE FOUNDATION HAS BEEN SET, SO FIGURING OUT THE PATH FORWARD WILL COME FROM COMBINING ALL THOSE THINGS, THEN PUTTING OUT THE DEPARTMENT AND JUST HAVING THE CONVERSATION. ONCE WE DO THAT, THAT WILL GIVE US A BETTER IDEA AS TO WHICH DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO, WHETHER THAT'S ENHANCEMENT OF PEER SUPPORT, WHAT TRAINING THAT NEEDS TO BE NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THAT.

IF IT'S A PHYSICAL FITNESS THING, THERE'S JUST A MYRIAD OF THINGS.

SO WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET.

BUT TO ME, I FOUND, I WOULD SAY, MUCH MORE SUCCESS IN ASKING THE QUESTION AND LETTING PEOPLE HAVE THEIR VOICES BE HEARD WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT TO SORT OF LEND THEIR PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE JUST MISS THINGS WITHOUT ASKING THE QUESTIONS.

AND SO THAT'S BEEN HELPFUL.

SO THEY WERE GREAT CONVERSATIONS THAT WENT REALLY LONG ON BOTH COUNTS, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO KIND OF REPORTING BACK SOME PROGRESS ON THAT.

THANK YOU. YOU MENTIONED THAT DENTON IS DOING BETTER THAN MANY PLACES IN TERMS OF RETENTION AND ALSO RECRUITMENT.

I KNOW ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER DIXON HAD ECHOED THE SAME THING A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK.

WHY IS THAT? WHY ARE WE DOING BETTER THAN OTHER COMMUNITIES, GIVEN THE CHALLENGES FACING POLICING AND ALL OF THE COUNTRY? I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S THERE'S A SPECIFIC ANSWER.

I MEAN, I HAVE MY OWN PERCEPTIONS.

SO I CAN DO IS REPORT ON WHAT MY PERCEPTIONS WOULD BE.

I THINK A LOT OF IT, QUITE FRANKLY, IS THE REPUTATION OF THE ORGANIZATION, WHICH I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, AND I'LL CONTINUE TO SAY IT.

ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I WAS ATTRACTED TO THE AREA WAS THE QUALITY OF THE FOLKS, MY COLLEAGUES THAT I WORK WITH AND THE REPUTATION THEY HAVE, NOT ONLY LOCALLY, NOT ONLY

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REGIONALLY, NOT ONLY STATEWIDE, BUT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF COUNCIL KNOWS AND MY COLLEAGUES CERTAINLY KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED WITH THE INTERNATIONAL POLICE CHIEFS.

AND YOU WOULD BE AMAZED HOW MANY PEOPLE NEW ACROSS THE COUNTRY OF THE DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT IN A GOOD WAY.

THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN A LOT WITH ORGANIZATIONS.

SO I THINK THAT REPUTATION TAKES TIME TO BUILD CREDIT.

ACM DIXON FOR DOING A LOT OF THAT INITIAL LEGWORK.

CREDIT THE STAFF FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'VE THEY'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS TO BUILD THAT TRUST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

ARE WE PERFECT? NO, BUT WE'RE DOING A LOT BETTER THAN A LOT OF PLACES AND.

WORKED WITH A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS THROUGH ICP IN PARTICULAR THAT ARE SUFFERING FROM VERY, VERY HIGH TURNOVER RATE, VERY, VERY LOW MORALE.

THEIR OFFICERS ARE DOING MULTIPLE DUTIES.

THEY HAVE DETECTIVES THAT WILL HAVE TO GO OUT ON PATROL TO FILL UP PATROL SHIFT ON A ON A ON A REGULAR BASIS TO.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

TO TO TRY AND GET MINIMUM STAFFING OUT ON ON ON PATROL.

SO WE'RE NOT THERE BUT WE'VE GOT WORK TO DO.

I'M GOING TO SAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ADVISORY BOARD FOR FOR US OFFLINE.

JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.

LAST QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU, WHEN YOU AND I SPOKE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO OUT AT TITLE RESOURCES, YOU MENTIONED YOU JUST HAD A RIDE ALONG WITH HOT.

CAN YOU JUST KIND OF REGALE SOME OF THOSE EXPERIENCES? AND WHAT I FOUND PARTICULARLY INSIGHTFUL AND ALSO TROUBLING IS THE FOLKS FROM OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA WHO ARE ALSO COMING HERE.

SO CAN YOU MAYBE JUST TALK ABOUT THAT IN GENERAL, PLEASE? AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

HAPPY TO. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DEDICATED GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WORK FOR OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM OR HOT TEAM TWO OFFICERS, DR.

CLARK. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHO WORKS WITH THE MEDIC, TWO OFFICERS, AND, YOU KNOW, A LICENSED CLINICIAN.

AND THEY GO OUT AND ADDRESS FOLKS THAT ARE DEALING EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, TRY AND MAKE SURE THEY GIVE THEM THE APPROPRIATE RESOURCES TO FUR THEM AND REFER THEM TO THOSE RESOURCES AND TRY AND TAKE AS MUCH CRIMINAL ELEMENT OUT OF THINGS AND JUST TRY AND GET THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.

A LOT OF PEOPLE. DON'T WANT THAT.

THEY WOULD PREFER MAYBE NOT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SHELTER OR SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM, I WAS IN MY RIDE ALONG, WHICH WAS IN FACT HOT.

PERHAPS NOT AS HOT AS IT WAS WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER DID HIS RIDE ALONG, BUT NONETHELESS, IT WAS VERY EYE OPENING IN TERMS OF THE LEVEL OF COMPASSION THAT THESE FOLKS SHOWED WITH.

PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND IT'S BEEN CLEAR THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING AN INCREASE.

AND THAT SEEMS TO BE COMING FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE HERE.

SO I'M SURE THAT THAT BEARS FURTHER DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT.

BUT NONETHELESS, I WAS APPRECIATIVE OF THE WORK THAT THEY DO BECAUSE THEY WERE THEY JUST DID INCREDIBLE.

WELL, INCREDIBLY WELL.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM. COUNCILOR MELTZER.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO I'LL FOLLOW UP ON ON COUNCILOR HOLLAND'S SORT OF QUESTION.

AND YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SORT OF MODEST TO EXPECTED SORT OF INCREASES IN VARIOUS CATEGORIES THAT ARE YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CHARTS THAT THE SORT OF THEY'RE NOT WILD SWINGS IN ANY ONE YEAR OR ANYTHING.

BUT I GUESS THAT WAS MY QUESTION IS FOR ANY OF THESE THINGS PER CAPITA, DID ANY OF THEM DO ANY OF THE TOPIC AREAS OR CATEGORIES STAND OUT BEYOND THE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, WITH SOMETHING GREATER THAN JUST THE MEAN POPULATION GROWTH CHANGES THAT ONE MIGHT EXPECT? YEAH. GREAT QUESTION.

I THINK I THINK WE LOOK AT EVERY ONE OF THOSE STATISTICS AND LOOK AT THEM INDIVIDUALLY TO SAY, WHAT ARE WE DOING NOW TO MITIGATE, SOLVE, PREVENT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND AND WE SEE WHAT WE THINK WE CAN DO.

I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN INTELLIGENCE LED POLICING.

SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE THINGS WE PROBABLY TRY AND FOCUS ON.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHERE DO WE PUT OUR RESOURCES TO BEST ADDRESS WHATEVER PROBLEM THAT MIGHT BE NEED TO BE SOLVED? YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC IS A REAL PROBLEM HERE.

WE HAVE ISSUES WITH SPEED AND RED LIGHTS.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FATALITIES, YOU KNOW, AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE IS ABSOLUTELY TRAGIC.

SO WE HAVE A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING TIRELESSLY IN TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AS WE DO STAFF OUT AND CONTINUE TO ADD PEOPLE.

NOT ONLY WILL WE ADD MORE FOLKS TO PATROL, BUT WE'LL STAFF OUT INVESTIGATIONS OR WE'LL STAFF OUT OF TRAFFIC OR DWI ENFORCEMENT AND ALL THOSE CRITICAL PIECES THAT REALLY KEEP PEOPLE SAFE, NO MATTER HOW YOU VIEW SAFETY, I GUESS IT ALL COMES INTO PLAY.

SO I THINK THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, MAYOR PRO TEM, IS THAT WE LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALLY AND TRY AND FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING NOW TO ADDRESS

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THIS? WHAT OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE AND HOW DO WE LOOK FORWARD INTO MORE OF AN INTELLIGENCE BASED STATISTICAL ANALYSIS TO TO MAYBE SOLVE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES A LITTLE BIT MORE? I APPRECIATE THAT. I THAT ENCOURAGES ME.

I. MAYBE A THING IN THE FUTURE, JUST JUST FOR UNDERSTANDING OF THE COMMUNITY FOR GROWTH TRENDS IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DO IT PER CAPITA BECAUSE RAW NUMBERS CAN CAN TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO TELL WHAT'S GROWTH AND WHAT'S NOT GROWTH, BUT SO PERSPECTIVE.

BUT THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS FOR FOR PUTTING OUT THE EYE FOR IT.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS ON THE RETENTION, DO YOU SEE RETENTION ISSUES ACROSS THE LONGEVITY SPECTRUM OR IS IT MOSTLY IN YOUR YOUNG OFFICERS, YOUR OLDER OFFICERS OR YOUR MORE SEASONED OFFICERS? I SHOULD SAY NOT LESS EXPERIENCED, MORE EXPERIENCED? YEAH. AGAIN, GREAT QUESTION.

IT KIND OF RUNS THE GAMUT.

IT DEPENDS ON WHERE PEOPLE ARE IN LIFE AND WHAT THEY WANT.

WE'VE SEEN NOT ONLY IN POLICING BUT ACROSS A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS AND WORKPLACES THAT PEOPLE TEND TO BE A LITTLE MORE TRANSIENT AND WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO WITH THEIR LIVES.

THE THE IDEA OF THE CAREER 30 YEAR EMPLOYEE MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE A THING AS MUCH NOW AS IT WHAT IT USED TO BE WHEN I STARTED IN 1990.

BUT NONETHELESS, WE SEE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING FIVE YEARS AT THIS JOB, FIVE YEARS AT ANOTHER JOB.

SO EXPECTANCY TO EVEN STAY AT ONE POSITION MAY NOT BE AS MUCH OF A THING.

SO MAYBE THAT'S GENERATIONAL, MAYBE IT ISN'T.

MAYBE IT'S POST-COVID AND PEOPLE ARE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR LIVES.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS THAT COME INTO IT.

WE DO TALK TO FOLKS THAT MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE, AND SOMETIMES WE SEE PEOPLE THAT JUST WANT TO BE CLOSER.

THEY MIGHT COMMUTE QUITE A WAYS TO GET HERE, AND SO THEY WANT TO BE CLOSER TO WHERE THEIR KIDS GO TO SCHOOL OR THEIR FAMILIES.

AND IT'S JUST EASIER. AND AS YOU KNOW, IN THE METROPLEX, THERE ARE SO MANY POLICE AGENCIES THAT YOU HAVE YOUR PICK.

SO IF YOU WANT TO GO CLOSER TO THE EAST PLANO AND THAT'S WHERE YOUR KIDS GO OR SOMETHING, OR FRISCO, PICK ONE OF MANY, THEN IT'S RELATIVELY EASY TO DO THAT, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED.

SO A LOT OF IT'S LIFESTYLE OPTION.

A LOT OF IT'S. JUST FINDING WHERE YOU ARE IN LIFE AND FIGURING OUT WHAT YOU REALLY TRULY WANT TO DO WITH THINGS.

BUT AND SOME RETIREMENTS AS WELL.

PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE 25, 30 YEARS, WE'VE SEEN THAT AND OBVIOUSLY A WELL DESERVED AND APPRECIATED FOR THEIR SERVICE AND RETIREMENT.

ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR. COUNCILWOMAN MELTZER.

YEP. YEAH. FIRST OFF, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO DO THE RIDE ALONG YESTERDAY WITH THE HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM.

IF IT'S NOT OVERLY INCONVENIENT, I WOULD REALLY RECOMMEND EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER DO IT LIKE WE DO FIRE OPS 101 AND I LEFT EYES VERY MUCH OPEN AS FAR AS WHAT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND WHAT OUR COMMUNITY SITUATION IS, BUT ALSO SO IMPRESSED WITH, IF ANYTHING, THE. CARING AND WISDOM AND SENSITIVITY OF THE UNIFORMED POLICE OFFICERS TAKING NOTHING AWAY FROM DR.

CLARK. YOU KNOW, JUST REALLY IMPRESSIVE AND MADE ME VERY PROUD OF OUR OF OUR DEPARTMENT.

QUICKLY, ARE WE ACTUALLY GETTING MORE FEET ON THE STREET IN TERMS OF OUR TOTAL PATROLLING FORCE WITH WITH THE CHALLENGES? I KNOW WE FUNDED POSITIONS OVER TIME AND I KNOW THERE'S RECRUITING CHALLENGES.

BUT NET NET, ARE WE ACTUALLY MATCHING THE GROWTH IN PROPERTY THEFT AND CRIME AND SO ON? I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I CAN DIRECTLY ANSWER.

I CAN TELL YOU IN TERMS OF OUR PROGRESS IN TERMS OF MORE FEET ON THE STREET, SO TO SPEAK.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE THAT COUNCIL HAS ADDED POSITIONS AND HAS SAID THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO ADD POSITIONS BECAUSE OF THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE.

IT TAKES TIME. WHEN YOU HIRE, FOR EXAMPLE, A PEACE OFFICER, IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO GET THAT OFFICER THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE FIRST OF ALL, THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEN THROUGH ONCE THEY'RE HIRED, THEN THROUGH THE ACADEMY, WHICH IS SEVERAL MONTHS IN LENGTH, AND THEN AFTER THAT THROUGH FIELD TRAINING.

AND SO, I MEAN, WE HIRE SOMEBODY IN AUGUST, THEY PROBABLY ARE NOT COMING OUT ON SOLO PATROL UNTIL THE FOLLOWING MAY ISH RIGHT AROUND THERE.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE HIRING AND WE'RE AND WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE ON BOARD, THE DELAY IN THE GETTING PEOPLE OUT SEEMS LIKE IT'S TAKING LONG AND IT FEELS LIKE IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING THOSE PEOPLE OUT ON PATROL, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE HIRED A BUNCH OF PEOPLE.

WELL, WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO OUT THERE UNTIL NEXT YEAR.

SO I THINK WE'RE DOING PRETTY WELL IN TERMS OF OUR VACANCIES.

I'D HATE TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER. I THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE I'M GOING TO SAY ROUGHLY BETWEEN 8 AND 10 AND SWORN.

BUT REMEMBER, THAT INCLUDES THE FOLKS THAT YOU JUST AUTHORIZED NOT TOO LONG AGO IN THE MID-YEAR SUPPLEMENTAL.

SO ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, THAT'S PRETTY LOW AND THAT'S THAT'S GOOD.

WE NEED TO FOCUS ON RETENTION.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO BRING IN THE RIGHT FOLKS FOR THE JOB.

WE'VE CHANGED OUR PROCESS A LITTLE BIT AND COOPERATION WITH OUR FRIENDS AND FROM HUMAN RESOURCES THAT HAVE GIVEN US SOME GREAT INSIGHTS AS TO MAKING SURE THAT WE GET THE RIGHT

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PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO THE JOB IN DENTON FOR THE RIGHT REASONS BECAUSE IT'S DENTON IS A UNIQUE PLACE COMPARED TO FRISCO OR CARROLLTON OR IRVINE, AND EVERY CITY HAS ITS OWN CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY WANT TO BE HERE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ALL ABOUT.

I APPRECIATE THE HOT TEAM COMMENTS, SIR.

I DO. AND IT IS AMAZING THE WORK THAT THEY DO IN TERMS OF HOW COMPASSIONATE I WOULD SAY THEY ARE.

OFFICER HILL AND PEOPLE UNDERSCORE THEIR EXCEPTIONAL MERIT OVERTIME ONE MORE THAN I THINK I CAN KEEP TYPE JUST ON DWI.

I NOTICE SORT OF MEDIUM TERM UP BUT YEAR OVER YEAR 22 TO 21 DOWN BY MORE THAN 20%.

IS THAT RANDOM VARIATION RETURN TO THE MEAN OR DID WE DO SOMETHING THAT WORKED? I THINK WE'RE YOU KNOW, AS WE I THINK SOME OF IT COMES TO STAFFING.

I THINK WE HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES, THOUGH, TO DO MORE IN TERMS OF PUBLIC AWARENESS.

I ALWAYS THINK ENFORCEMENT PLUS EDUCATION EQUAL BETTER RESULTS.

AND AMY AND ALISON, OBVIOUSLY WHO DID THE REPORT, ARE VERY ADEPT AT DOING THE OUTREACH.

AND WE HAVE SOME GREAT COMMUNITY OUTREACH OFFICERS, OFFICER CUNNINGHAM AND OFFICER FENNER, WHO ARE JUMPING INTO GETTING OUT AND TELLING THE STORY AS TO.

WHY IT'S BAD TO SPEED IN A SCHOOL ZONE OR WHY IT'S BAD TO NOT TO DRINK OR TO DRINK AND DRIVE OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THERE TO DO SOME GREAT THINGS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN.

BYRD.

HELLO. HI.

HOW ARE YOU? I'M GOOD.

HOW ARE YOU? I'M FANTASTIC.

IT'S COLD OUT A LITTLE BIT.

IT IS A LITTLE COLD. A LITTLE COOLER THAN YESTERDAY.

I'M RECOGNIZING THE CRIMES REPORTED FROM 21 TO 22.

AND I SAW WHERE I'M LOOKING, WHERE NUMBER FIVE WAS FROM 21.

THERE WAS RANKED NUMBER FIVE FRAUD USE, AND THAT HAS 465 COUNTS.

AND I'M LOOKING OVER HERE AT 22 AND I DON'T SEE IT ANYWHERE HERE.

SO THE QUESTION IS, ARE THERE IS DIFFERENT TYPE OF MECHANISMS THAT WOULD HAVE CAUSED THIS PARTICULAR SEE, WHICH PAGE IS THAT? IS IT RIGHT THERE? YEP. AND I'M SORRY.

SO NUMBER FIVE, FRAUD USE AND IDENTIFYING INFO 465 COUNTS.

AND THEN HERE OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE.

NOTHING'S THERE IN THAT REGARD.

SO THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE USING A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MECHANISM THAT WOULD CAUSE THAT TO GO FROM FIVE TO MAYBE 11? OR HOW DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT WORK? NOT NECESSARILY. IT CAN SIMPLY BE THAT THE NUMBERS HAVE INCREASED.

AND IN ANOTHER AREA THAT HAVE THAT HAVE DRIVEN THOSE NUMBERS UP SO MUCH THAT THINGS JUST FLUCTUATE.

THEY KIND OF COME IN CYCLES.

I MEAN, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT CRIMINAL TRESPASS IS NOT ON THE 2021 LIST, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS ON 2022.

AND I KNOW THAT I HEAR CALLS FOR SERVICE ROUTINELY FOR CRIMINAL TRESPASS COMPLAINTS FROM BUSINESSES, SHOPS, WHATEVER IT MIGHT HAPPEN TO BE.

RIGHT. AND SO I WAS GOING TO QUESTION THAT.

BUT IN MY MIND, I WAS THINKING MAYBE SINCE WE MAY HAVE A HIGHER LEVEL OF HOMELESS FOLKS THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE THEIR WAY TO WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING THAT THEY MAY THAT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT AS WELL.

YEAH, PEOPLE ARE MORE AWARE, YOU KNOW, OF OUR FRIENDS THAT ARE OUT THERE NOW BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY MORE OF THEM.

I WOULD TEND TO AGREE.

YEAH. SO, YEAH, I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP AS WELL.

SO I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.

THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF MY TIME HERE IN DENTON AND FEELING SAFE AS A AS A RESIDENT HERE.

SO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE GOOD WORK AND CONTINUING TO LOOK AT PEOPLE AS HUMANS AND NOT THINGS OR THEM OVER THERE OR THAT FINE LINE BETWEEN US, US OR THEM.

I APPRECIATE YOU ALL PULLING DOWN THAT THAT DRESSING THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH POLICE OFFICERS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS WHERE IT'S THOSE PEOPLE VERSUS US.

SO I KNOW THAT THAT IS A LONG TIME THING THAT THAT WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH.

SO JUST LIVING HERE IN DENTON, I JUST REALLY DO NOT FEEL THAT YOU ALL ARE HERE, YOU KNOW, IN THAT PARTICULAR MANNER.

BUT YOU DO SEE ALL OF US, I MEAN, EVERY LAST ONE OF US, AS YOU KNOW, HERE BEING HERE AND TREATING US THE WAY THAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO TREAT US. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE CREDIT GOES TO THE TEAM, QUITE FRANKLY.

AGAIN, THEY'VE BUILT THE FOUNDATION ALONG WITH THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, DIXON.

SO I'M I'M JUST THE NEW GUY THAT'S TRYING TO KEEP US MOVING FORWARD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST ONE BRIEF COMMENT, CHIEF.

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THANK YOU FOR JUST YOUR LEADERSHIP.

THANK YOU FOR THE TEAM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT TOGETHER A GOOD TEAM AND I'VE JUST ENJOYED WORKING WITH THE OFFICERS.

I KNOW WHEN I WENT ON A RIDE ALONG IN DEEP SHIFT ONE TIME, IT'S QUITE EYE OPENING WHEN YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE HIGHWAY WITH CODE ABOUT 99, IT'S QUITE A OR IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE ARE GETTING OUT OF THE WAY.

BUT AGAIN, JUST REALLY APPRECIATE YOU HITTING THE GROUND, RUNNING, REALLY BEING OUT THERE VISIBLE IN THE COMMUNITY, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM ARE HERE AND COMMITTED TO THE MISSION THAT YOU EXPRESS.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.

THANK YOU. SO I'LL JUST CONCLUDE.

I MENTIONED THIS.

I. AND THERE WASN'T SUPPORT FOR DEDICATED FUNDS.

BUT I WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION JUST TO SAY.

I THINK THE USE OF THE AIRTAGS FROM THE ONE PARTICULAR BUSINESS HERE IN TOWN WAS PRETTY SMART.

AND SO IN A BUDGETING STANDPOINT, IF WE GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE REQUESTING FUNDING FOR THE KIND OF TAGGING DEVICES THAT WE CAN THEN LEASE TO BUSINESS OWNERS TO HELP US IDENTIFY OR FIND OR TRACK STOLEN MATERIALS OR DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM STEALING CERTAIN MATERIALS BECAUSE THERE MAY BE A FEAR OF, HEY, WE'RE TRACKING THAT. NO DIFFERENT THAN THE TOWERS AT THE IN THE PARKING LOTS, THAT SORT OF THING.

I JUST WANT TO SAY, FROM THAT TO EQUIPMENT, IF THERE'S ANYTHING AS YOU GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS THAT YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, THIS IS NOT TRADITIONALLY DONE OR HADN'T BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, BUT HERE ARE SOME GOOD IDEAS WE'D LIKE TO ROLL OUT.

I WOULD ABSOLUTELY ENCOURAGE THAT AND WELCOME THAT INFORMATION.

THAT'S JUST THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE THAT I THOUGHT WERE REALLY SMART.

I WANT TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT'S DUE.

I'M NOT SURE WHO IT GOES TO, BUT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT PUTTING OUT DIFFERENT DATA THAT POINTS, THAT SORT OF THING, IF YOU JUST FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, IF YOU GO TO THE CITY OF DENTON WEBSITE, YOU CAN GO TO THE JAIL, YOU CAN SEE WHO'S THERE DAILY THAT'S UPDATED.

THEN YOU CAN ALSO GO TO THE DATA TRANSPARENCY SITE AND THERE'S THE CRIME MAPS.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE YOU ARE AND WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND THERE AND KIND OF WHAT TO BE MINDFUL OF.

THERE'S A CRIME STATISTICS THAT ARE THERE THAT YOU CAN PULL DOWN DOWNLOAD AND THEN THE DATA INITIATIVES IN GENERAL ORDERS ARE THERE.

SO I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ADDING THAT LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY AND YOUR TEAM.

AND THEN ALSO FROM A JAIL PERSPECTIVE, DO YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS AMOUNT OF SPACE WE HAVE? BECAUSE IF THE NUMBERS ARE GOING UP, THEN THAT I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT IN THE BACK OF OUR HEAD AS WE START PLANNING.

SURE. I THINK THE ISSUE IS TWOFOLD.

NUMBER ONE, THE SPACE AND NUMBER TWO, THE STAFFING.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE STAFFING WITHIN THE JAIL TO MAKE SURE NOT ONLY THAT THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE JAIL, THE JAILERS ARE SAFE AND DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT ALSO THE FOLKS THAT ARE THERE FOR A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THEY'RE SAFE AND THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF.

AND IT'S A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE CITY FACILITY AS OPPOSED TO A COUNTY JAIL OR SOMETHING MORE LONG TERM.

SO I THINK IT'S A TWOFOLD QUESTION.

WE WERE ABLE TO HIRE TWO MORE JAILERS AS A RESULT OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL, WHICH WAS APPRECIATED.

AND AS WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT TRENDS AND ADDING PEOPLE AND THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE JAIL IS OPERATING AT ITS LEVEL OF OF NEED, WHETHER IT'S TECHNOLOGY OR EQUIPMENT OR WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE, THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO BRING THOSE FORWARD.

OKAY. AND THEN LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT AND THIS IS OUTSIDE LOOKING IN.

BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT INTELLIGENCE BASED DECISIONS AND DATA DRIVEN DECISIONS, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE WERE SUCCESSFUL WITH THE ATM THIEVES IS WE WE PARTNERED WITH OTHER AGENCIES.

THEY HAVE DATA, THEY HAVE INFORMATION, WE COLLABORATE, WE TALK TOGETHER.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING.

AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO BE BE THERE WHEN THEY GET THERE, WHICH IS JUST OUTSTANDING POLICE WORK.

SO I APPRECIATE ALL THAT WENT INTO THAT.

AND AND YOU MAINTAINING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS THAT THAT CHIEF HOWELL, CHIEF DIXON AND ETCETERA HAVE BUILT MAINTAINING THOSE SO THAT OUR PARTNER AGENCIES FEEL GOOD REACHING OUT TO US AND WORKING WITH US.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

I APPRECIATE THAT. YEP.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. MR. MAYOR, CAN WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE RETIREMENT OF CAUTION? THE CAUTION THAT THE DOG'S NAME.

CANINE. CANINE.

YEAH. WAS IT CAUTION? IS THAT THE NAME? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

SORRY. I WAS. YEAH, YEAH.

TAKE IT EASY, CAUTION. APPRECIATE YOU.

ALL RIGHT. SO.

SO, SO.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. NO, I DIDN'T KNOW, SO THAT'S GOOD.

I NORMALLY THROW CAUTION TO THE WIND, BUT I WON'T.

HEY, I DIDN'T BRING IT UP.

HE. YOU THROW HIM, I HIT HIM.

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I'M SORRY, Y'ALL. SO WE'RE SO LET'S TAKE A I'M GOING TO WALK ON THE WILD SIDE AND LET'S SAY LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK.

WE'LL BE BACK AT 410 TO PICK BACK UP WITH ITEM D.

AND GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME BACK.

[D. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the rewrite of the Solid Waste Ordinance and the addition of a commercial diversion article. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

IT IS 410 AND WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH OUR WORK SESSION.

WE'RE ON ITEM D ID 23383 RECEIVE, REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE REWRITE OF THE SOLID WASTE ORDINANCE AND THE ADDITIONAL AND THE ADDITION OF THE COMMERCIAL DIVERSION ARTICLE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR.

COUNCIL. MY NAME IS TAMMY CLAUSING.

I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING.

AND TODAY I'M GOING TO BE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THE PROPOSED SOLID WASTE ORDINANCE UPDATE TO ALSO INCLUDE THE COMMERCIAL DIVERSION ARTICLE.

OUR AGENDA TODAY WILL BE A BACKGROUND, SOME SOLID WASTE METRICS, COMPONENTS OF A COMMERCIAL DIVERSION ARTICLE, OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES, PUBLIC MEETING FEEDBACK, SOLID WASTE ORDINANCE UPDATES, NEXT STEPS AND REQUEST FOR DIRECTION.

OUR BACKGROUND. BACK IN JULY OF 2022, WE ADOPTED A COMPREHENSIVE, SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT STRATEGY, WHICH WAS IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR COUNCIL'S KEY FOCUS AREA OF PROMOTING SUSTAINABILITY AND THE ENVIRONMENT.

IN NOVEMBER OF 2022, WE HAD A COUNCIL WORK SESSION ON THE INTRODUCTION OF A COMPREHENSIVE DIVERSION ORDINANCE, NOW KNOWN AS A COMMERCIAL DIVERSION ARTICLE, AND THIS STEMS FROM OUR COMPREHENSIVE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT STRATEGY, WHICH IDENTIFIED A KEY OPPORTUNITY OF COMMERCIAL DIVERSION.

SOME SOLID WASTE METRICS.

ON THE RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE A FUEL GAUGE SHOWING THAT WE HAVE 82% OF TOTAL AIR SPACE OR LIFE OF THE LANDFILL, WHICH EQUATES TO 65 YEARS.

AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS BE ABLE TO, WITH ALL THE GROWTH AND ALL OF THE WASTE THAT'S COMING IN, TO EXTEND THAT LIFE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

SO ONE OF THE TACTICS TO DO THAT IS TO DIVERT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BASED ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT STRATEGY.

WE IMPLEMENTED SOME COMPREHENSIVE DIVERSION GOALS.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE TABLE ON THE BOTTOM, OUR CURRENT CITY OF DENTON DIVERSION RATE LAST YEAR WAS 8%.

THIS YEAR END ESTIMATE WE'RE TRENDING AT 10% AND WE'RE SETTING A GOAL OF 15%.

AND HOW THAT ALIGNS WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE DIVERSION GOALS.

WE SET GOALS OF 30% DIVERSION BY 2030, 40%, DIVERSION BY 2040 AND 75% BY 2075.

OUR CURRENT COMMERCIAL DIVERSION RATE IS 3%, EQUALING 2448 TONS PER YEAR BEING DIVERTED IN OUR COMMERCIAL SECTOR.

OUR COMMERCIAL RECYCLING PARTICIPATION RATE IS 17%, EQUALING 483 CUSTOMERS.

THE CAVEAT WITH THESE TWO METRICS IS THESE ARE ONLY CITY OF DENTON METRICS.

COMMERCIAL RECYCLING IS AN OPEN MARKET, MEANING THAT ANYONE IN THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR CAN CONTRACT WITH A THIRD PARTY FOR RECYCLING.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES OUT THERE THAT ARE CURRENTLY RECYCLING THAT WE'RE UNAWARE OF.

SO WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TRACK THAT AND SHOW THE GOOD WORK THAT EVERYONE IN DENTON IS DOING.

BACK IN 2020, WE DID A WASTE CHARACTERIZATION STUDY WHICH SHOWED THAT 42 TO 55% OF COMMERCIAL TRASH WAS COMPRISED OF PROGRAMMATIC MATERIALS.

PROGRAMMATIC MATERIALS ARE ITEMS IN OUR RECYCLING CONTRACT WHICH INCLUDE CARDBOARD PLASTICS, ONE THROUGH SEVEN ALUMINUM CANS AND STEEL CANS. WHILE THIS WAS A SMALL SAMPLE SIZE, THERE WAS A LARGER STUDY DONE FOR ALL OF NORTH TEXAS, WHICH VALIDATED OUR NUMBERS OF HALF OF THE TRASH BEING COMPRISED OF THIS PROGRAMMATIC MATERIAL.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO TRANSFER THAT DIVERSION MATERIAL INTO A PROGRAM THAT WILL DIVERT IT INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT IN THE LANDFILL.

COMPONENTS OF THE COMMERCIAL DIVERSION ARTICLE WILL REQUIRE THAT ALL ENTITIES IN THE COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY SECTOR IMPLEMENT A DIVERSION OR RECYCLING PROGRAM.

REQUIREMENTS FROM THE CUSTOMERS WILL BE TO SUBMIT ON AN ANNUAL OR ANNUALLY FOR EITHER PROGRAMMATIC AND OR NON PROGRAMMATIC MATERIALS.

THE CHOICES FOR DIVERSION OF PROGRAMMATIC MATERIALS WILL BE TO CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF DENTON OR A THIRD PARTY.

CHOICES FOR NON PROGRAMMATIC MATERIALS WILL BE TO CONTRACT WITH THE THIRD PARTY OR PERFORM THOSE IN-HOUSE.

NON PROGRAMMATIC MATERIALS ARE ANYTHING THAT'S NOT CARDBOARD PLASTICS ONE THROUGH SEVEN ALUMINUM CANS OR STEEL CANS.

EXAMPLES WOULD BE TIRES USED, MOTOR OIL, SHREDDED PAPER, TEXTILES, ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DIVERTED WOULD FALL UNDER THIS NON PROGRAMMATIC REQUIREMENTS FROM THIRD PARTY DIVERSION VENDORS OR IN-HOUSE PROGRAMS WOULD BE TO OBTAIN A PERMIT WITH THE CITY WHICH IS CURRENTLY IMPLEMENTED AND TO SEND QUARTERLY DIVERSION

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TONNAGES TO THE CITY SO WE CAN TRACK WHAT'S BEING DIVERTED.

OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES STARTED IN FEBRUARY.

WE SENT MAILINGS TO COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY CUSTOMERS INFORMING THEM OF THE COMMERCIAL DIVERSION ARTICLE OPPORTUNITIES.

ON FEBRUARY 3RD, WE MADE COMMENT PUBLIC COMMENT AVAILABLE.

WE HELD A PUBLIC MEETING AT THE CIVIC CENTER ON FEBRUARY 16TH.

ON FEBRUARY 28TH, WE POSTED RED LINE AND CLEAN VERSIONS OF OUR REVISED SOLID WASTE ORDINANCE.

AND ON APRIL 24TH, WE SENT A SECOND DRAFT OF RED LINE AND CLEAN VERSIONS OF THE REVISED SOLID WASTE ORDINANCE POSTED ONLINE.

IN MAY, WE SENT A REMINDER MAILING WITH UPDATES OF TODAY'S WORK SESSION, AND THEN WE ALSO IMPLEMENTED A DISCUSSED DENTON PAGE ON MAY 26TH. PUBLIC FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR HAVE BEEN CONCERNS WITH LEGAL NONCONFORMING AND GRANDFATHERED PROPERTIES, UNIQUE LAYOUTS AND ENOUGH ROOM FOR ANOTHER CONTAINER.

WE ASSURED A MEETING ATTENDEES THAT WE WOULD HANDLE UNIQUE SITUATIONS AND LAYOUTS INDIVIDUALLY AND CREATE A PLAN OR SOLUTION THAT FITS THEIR BUSINESS.

I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE'RE PUTTING THE CUSTOMER IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT TO PICK WHAT THEY'RE DIVERTING.

SO IF THEY ONLY SHRED PAPER TWICE A YEAR AND THAT'S ONLY THE VERSION THAT THEY PRODUCE, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.

THAT'S A GREAT DIVERSION PLAN.

AND WHATEVER THEIR SOLUTION, WHOEVER THEY WORK WITH TO DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE AN ADEQUATE PLAN FOR US.

THEY ASKED FOR CLEARER WORDING ON WHAT TYPE OF DIVERSION WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.

IN OUR LETTER TO COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES AND ONLINE DIVERSION PLAN PORTAL FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE COMMERCIAL DIVERSION ARTICLE.

WE WOULD OUTLINE ACCEPTABLE DIVERSIONARY MATERIALS EXAMPLE USE MOTOR OIL, PLASTIC, FILM, TEXTILES, SCRAP METAL OR ALL NON PROGRAMMATIC MATERIALS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE FOR A DIVERSION PLAN.

THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS WITH ILLEGAL DUMPING AND WITH ADDING CONTAINERS.

ALL RECYCLING CONTAINERS HAVE CHUTE LIDS AND LOCKING BARS THAT ARE INSTALLED, AND THESE HAVE MITIGATED ISSUES WITH BOTH ILLEGAL DUMPING AND CONTAMINATION. WE RAN A PILOT ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND FOUND GREAT SUCCESS IN BOTH OF THOSE AREAS.

OUR ORDINANCE UPDATES.

THE CITY WILL REMAIN THE SOLE PROVIDER OF RESIDENTIAL TRASH AND RECYCLING OF PROGRAMMATIC MATERIALS AND COMMERCIAL TRASH.

WE INCLUDED A PORCH COLLECTION SERVICE, OUR VALET SERVICES.

IN A COMMERCIAL DIVERSION ARTICLE, WE UPDATED THE THIRD PARTY PERMITTING AND YARD WASTE ARTICLES, AND WE UPDATED FOR ILLEGAL CONTAINERS, OVERFLOWING MATERIALS AND CONTAMINATION.

STATUSES AND NEXT STEPS.

IN FEBRUARY, WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING AND WE DRAFTED AN ORDINANCE.

IN MARCH, WE HAD A PUB WORK SESSION.

TODAY WE'RE HAVING OUR COUNCIL WORK SESSION AND WE IN JULY WILL BE PUB APPROVAL AND PUBLIC COMMENT.

A PUBLIC COMMENTS OUTREACH HOPEFULLY WILL START IN AUGUST WITH IMPLEMENTATION STARTING IN FEBRUARY AND A FULL ROLLOUT IN AUGUST OF 2024.

AND THIS IS WHERE I ASK FOR DIRECTIONS IN ON THE ORDINANCE AND THE COMMERCIAL DIVERSION ARTICLE.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST HAD A WELL, ONE AND A HALF QUESTIONS.

REALLY. I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY LIGHTWEIGHT.

I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE CHANGES FOR THE FACILITIES RULES.

AND DO WE ARE WE TREATING OUR COMMERCIAL AND OUR SORT OF NON NON COMMERCIAL LAY VISITORS TO TO THE THE THE DUMP IN THE SAME WAYS OR DO WE HAVE DIFFERENT RULES, DIFFERENT FACILITIES RULES.

THEY WOULD ALL BE THE SAME.

SO JUST IN THE SAME LINE IS IS THERE AND THE REASON I ASK THIS QUESTION IS FROM FEEDBACK FROM FROM.

THE PUBLIC AND IS THERE A RATIONALE FOR ONE OR THE OTHER? AND IF IT'S A LONGER ANSWER, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THAT AS A, YOU KNOW, LATER RESPONSE.

SO THE RULES THAT I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING TO WOULD APPLY TO EVERYONE THAT COMES THROUGH THE LANDFILL.

SO WE WANT THE PLACE TO BE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

WE WANT THE CORRECT VEHICLES COMING IN.

SO IF IT'S RAINING, WE WOULD WANT THEM TO HAVE A TOW HOOK SO WE CAN PULL THEM OUT IF THEY GET STUCK.

OR THEY WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAND UNLOAD AT THE PUBLIC DISPOSAL FACILITY.

YEAH, IT WOULD APPLY TO BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL TYPE CUSTOMERS.

AND THERE'S NOT REALLY A DISTINCTION BETWEEN SORT OF RAPID EXPERIENCED REFUSE HAULERS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, LIKE ME, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.

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I'M GOING TO GO THERE. I GO THERE TO THE DUMP MAYBE EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS OR SOMETHING.

YEAH. SO YOU WOULD MOST LIKELY BE IN THE HAND UNLOAD SECTION, WHICH IS A LITTLE SLOWER PACED.

AND WE TRY AND SEPARATE WE DO SEPARATE THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES FROM THE NON COMMERCIAL VEHICLES FOR SAFETY REASONS.

SO WE DON'T WANT LARGE VEHICLES IN THE EXACT SAME PLACE THAT SOMEONE WHO'S HAND UNLOADING FOR SAFETY REASONS.

SO SO THEY ARE SEPARATED.

THEY THEY ARE SEPARATED WITHIN THE WORKING FACE.

SO THERE SHOULD BE A LANE FOR COMMERCIAL AND A LANE FOR PERFECT, PERFECT HAND UNLOADS.

AND MY MY SECOND QUESTION, AND IT JUST MAY BE THE WAY I'M READING IT, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IN SECTION 20 46A, I JUST WAS VERY CONFUSED BY I READ THE STRIKETHROUGH AND THE CLEAN VERSION.

AND IF SOMEONE COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE CHECK THAT ONE, IT SEEMED CONFUSING, LIKE WE, YOU KNOW, HOOK TWO SENTENCES TOGETHER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

OKAY. I'M LIKE, IT PASSED THROUGH ALL THOSE STAGES.

SO I FEEL LIKE THIS IS PROBABLY ME.

BUT MAYBE IF IF SOMEONE COULD JUST SHOOT ME AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT THEY THINK THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, VERSUS OR AM I JUST I'M PROBABLY CRAZY, BUT. BUT IF SOMEONE COULD GET BACK TO ME, IF THERE'S A I'M SURE AT SOME POINT MY EYES WERE CROSSING LOOKING AT THAT.

SO I'M SURE THERE THERE'S SOME MORE CLARIFICATION WE CAN DO FOR YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, COUNCILWOMAN.

YOU WANT A DIRECTION TO GO, RIGHT? GO RIGHT AHEAD. THEN I SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.

ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMAN MELTZER.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

YEAH. FIRST.

I'M GOING TO BE PUTTING IN AT LEAST A DOLLAR IN THE HAPPY JAR ROTARY ON THURSDAY, BECAUSE I REMEMBER LEARNING FROM FROM SOLID WASTE STAFF.

I THINK IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO THAT COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY WAS A WASTE STREAM FIVE TIMES BIGGER THAN RESIDENTIAL.

SO THE OPPORTUNITY WAS SO HUGE.

AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A TOUGH ROAD TO GET HERE AND I SO APPRECIATE THE.

FOCUS AND PERSISTENCE AND WORKING IT OUT.

QUESTION ABOUT THE REQUIREMENT FOR AN ANNUAL REPORT FROM EACH COMMERCIAL PROVIDER.

I TOTALLY GET THE PURPOSE OF IT.

THIS ISN'T A QUESTION TO ANSWER.

THIS IS JUST A THOUGHT TO SHARE.

IF THE OTHER PROVIDERS BESIDES THE CITY HAVE TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE CITY.

I WONDER IF THERE IS SOME WAY THAT THAT COULD BE A LITTLE MORE AUTOMATED, THAT IF AN ADDRESS DOESN'T SHOW UP ON EITHER ONE OF THEIR FILES OR OUR FILE, THAT'S THE EXCEPTION.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU MANAGE BY EXCEPTION.

JUST IT JUST STRIKES ME AS POTENTIALLY A LITTLE CUMBERSOME, BOTH FOR THE.

COMMERCIAL MULTI-FAMILY CUSTOMERS AND ALSO FOR STAFF TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE INDIVIDUAL REPORTS.

I AGREE. WE WERE SORTING THROUGH THAT AND SOME OF THEM ARE ALREADY SENDING ME SOME OF THEIR INFORMATION.

SO WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND. I DEFINITELY SUPPORT.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN. WHAT? I'VE GOT SEVERAL JUST TO FLUSH OUT SOME DETAILS.

I'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE CALLING ME ABOUT THIS.

SO JUST FOR MY UNDERSTANDING, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CONTAINERS WITH DID YOU CALL THEM CHUTES? CHUTE LID? IS THAT THE ONE WITH THE SLIT IN IT? YES. WHAT IS THAT? SO IS THAT THE ONE. IT'S A SORT.

YEAH. IT.

SO YOU CAN'T OPEN IT, BUT YOU CAN SHOOT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO FIRST OF ALL, WHO.

WHO HAS ACCESS TO THAT LOCKING MECHANISM? I ASSUME IT'S A PADLOCK OR WHOEVER THE OWNER OF THE THE BUSINESS RESPONSIBLE FOR UNLOCKING IT WHEN IT'S READY TO BE EMPTIED. SO IT'S A GRAVITY.

SO AS SOON AS WE LIFT IT UP, IT AUTOMATICALLY OPENS.

ALL RIGHT. SO THE LOCKING DEVICE IS JUST TO KEEP SOMEBODY FROM LIFTING THE LID.

BUT WHEN YOU LIFT UP THE WHOLE CONTAINER, THE LID COMES OPEN EVEN THOUGH YOU, QUOTE UNQUOTE, DON'T UNLOCK IT.

CORRECT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO ON THE I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE PILOT PROGRAM THAT YOU HAD TO KNOW AND YOU DO THAT OFFLINE, KNOW WHERE THEY WERE LOCATED AS FAR AS MULTIFAMILY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHO I'VE HEARD FROM IS MULTIFAMILY, BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE SAYS, I THINK IN THE PRESENTATION IT SAYS TO REQUIRE ALL COMMERCIAL RECYCLING DIVERSION PROGRAMS. RIGHT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYBODY IN YOUR APARTMENT COMPLEX IS GOING TO RECYCLE.

I MEAN, WE CAN PROVIDE.

YOU'RE SAYING IT'S MANDATORY.

YOU JUST HAVE SOMEWHERE FOR THEM TO PUT IT.

AND OTHER THAN THAT, AND GIVING THEM A REPORT, YOU KNOW, SOME INFORMATION WHEN THEY MOVE IN OR, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO MY FIRST THOUGHT IS, IS THE CITY BECAUSE IN AN ORDINANCE SECTION 2492 REPORTING REQUIREMENTS, I UNDERSTAND THAT PARAGRAPH

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C SAYS A DIVERSION PLAN MUST BE IN THE FORM PRESCRIBED BY THE DIRECTOR.

SO I'M ASSUMING THE SOLID WASTE STAFF IS GOING TO CREATE A TEMPLATE.

OF A PLAN THAT SHOWS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT LISTS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PLAN.

STREET NAME, WHICH COULD BE BLANK, BUT THEN IT LISTS THE PLAN TO EDUCATE TENANTS OR EMPLOYEES REGARDING THE VERSION PLAN AND HOW TO PARTICIPATE, INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION. SO THIS IS THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE LOCATION OF DIVERSIONARY CLEANERS.

NO BIG DEAL. TYPES OF MATERIALS ACCEPTED INFORMATION RELATED TO THE USE OF PROPER RECYCLING.

AND ALL THIS HAS TO BE IN SPANISH, ALL THE REPORTS.

THAT YOU'RE HANDING TO YOUR TENANTS AND YOUR EMPLOYEES HAVE TO BE BOTH IN ENGLISH AND IN SPANISH AND IN A FORM THAT APPARENTLY IS ACCEPTABLE FROM THE CITY.

SO I'M JUST ASKING THAT THE CITY PROVIDE A TEMPLATE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE LOOK, IT'S HARD ENOUGH WHEN YOU GO GET A PERMIT THAT YOU DON'T GET EVERYTHING PARTICULARLY RIGHT.

IF THERE'S AN EASY WAY TO CREATE A TEMPLATE THAT'S BOTH PDF FORM OR A WORD OR SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE CAN JUST TAKE IT, COPY IT, FILL IN THEIR PARTICULAR DETAILED ITEMS. SO IF THEY'RE GOING TO USE US AS A PROVIDER, WE HAVE ALL OF THAT AND WE GIVE IT TO THEM.

RIGHT NOW. WE EDUCATE THEM THROUGH PAMPHLETS AND DIFFERENT MATERIALS.

WONDERFUL. SO THEN LIKE IF IF I HAVE A PLACE AND I'VE GOT TO GIVE MY TENANTS WHO ARE MOVING IN A NEW PART OF THE LEASE, HEY, HERE IT IS.

SIGN IT. YOU RECEIVED IT.

SO SOMETHING THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF WE'RE USING THE CITY AS THAT AS OUR.

A PROVIDER. WE CAN GET THOSE FORMS AND JUST TAILOR MAKE THEM TO WHATEVER.

OH, YES. AND IF SOME SOME LOCATIONS HAVE EXPRESSED THAT THEY HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING THEIR TENANTS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT NEEDS TO BE RECYCLED, WE CAN ALWAYS START WITH JUST CARDBOARD BOXES.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S EASY FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND, THAT'S AN EASY SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM THAT MIGHT OCCUR.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT. BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAID THAT IF YOU HAVE A BUSINESS THAT WHEN I READ IT, THIS WAS MY THOUGHT, I'VE GOT TO HAND SOMETHING TO THE TENANTS TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO RECYCLE BOXES, PAPER.

PLASTIC. YOU KNOW THIS LIST THAT YOU SAID, SO YOU GIVE IT TO THEM.

THIS IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO.

BUT WHAT AM I HEARING YOU CORRECTLY THAT THAT A COMMERCIAL ENTITY OR A MULTI FAMILY PROJECT CAN SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON AT FIRST.

SO IT COULD BE, LET'S SAY PAPER AND CARDBOARD.

YES, I REALLY WANT TO PUT THE CUSTOMER IN THE DRIVING SEAT.

I WANT THEM TO TELL ME WHAT THEY CAN HANDLE AND WHAT THEY FEEL IS THE MOST EASIEST ITEM TO DIVERT IN THEIR AREA.

GREAT. WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I FIRST THOUGHT MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS, OH, MAN, HOW ARE WE GOING TO HOW IS EVERYBODY GOING TO START DOING THIS? AND THEN MY OTHER CONCERN WAS.

THE CONTAMINATION BECAUSE I'VE HAD BLUE CARDS FOR SOME OF THESE FACILITIES THAT CAN USE BLUE CARDS.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I GO LOOK AT THEM, THEY'RE CONTAMINATED.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, SOLID WASTE.

THEY SEE IT AND THEY WON'T PICK IT UP.

SO THEN SOMEBODY'S GOT TO DIG ALL THAT MATERIAL OUT.

PUT IT IN THE GREEN.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WITH THE WITH THE CONTAINERS, THE LARGER CONTAINERS, YOU FOUND THE SOLUTION WITH THE SHOOT IDEA.

OKAY. AND SO THEN FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE UNIQUE SITUATIONS WHERE THERE'S NOT ROOM FOR ANOTHER CONTAINER, LIKE LET'S SAY IF SOMEBODY'S GOT AN EIGHT UNIT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE EIGHT GREEN CARTS AND EIGHT RECYCLED BLUE CARDS.

YOU MIGHT HAVE A GREEN CONTAINER, A THREE YARD DUMPSTER.

CAN YOU WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND SAY, HEY, WE'LL PROVIDE YOU A COUPLE OF BLUE CARDS TO SEE HOW IT STARTS OUT INSTEAD OF.

AND SO SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO YOU KNOW, THE OWNER'S GOING TO HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY TO PULL THEM OUT, PUT THEM UP, WHICH IS NO BIG DEAL.

BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT SAVES A LOT OF SPACE AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR.

PLUS, YOU CAN HIDE THOSE SO THAT PEOPLE AREN'T JUST WALKING BY OR DRIVING BY AND SEE A CONTAINER AND JUST DECIDE, HEY, I'M JUST GOING TO THROW SOMETHING IN THERE.

SO YOUR INFORMATION HAS BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL BECAUSE WHEN I READ THIS, I THOUGHT, OKAY, WE'RE EVERYBODY'S GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO.

DIVERT EVERYTHING.

THAT'S YOU CALL IT PROGRAMMATICAL? YES. AND I THOUGHT, OH, MAN, THAT'S GOING TO BE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SO MUCH CONTAMINATION.

IT'S JUST GOING TO IT'S GOING TO BE INSANE.

AND I WAS SEEING PEOPLE HAVING TO LITERALLY EMPTY DUMPSTERS.

SO THAT'S HELPFUL.

NOW, THE DECALS THAT HAVE TO GO ON, I THINK THE LIDS.

IS THAT RIGHT? THE DECALS ON THE WE PROVIDE ANYTHING.

SO THEY'RE ON THERE. THEY'RE ON THERE.

OKAY. SO MY TAKEAWAY, WHICH IS GOING TO BE HELPFUL, I THINK, FOR THE PUBLIC, IS IF YOU USE THE CITY FOR YOUR PROVIDER, THAT THESE

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DIVERSION PLANS AT LEAST A TEMPLATE, YOU CAN YOU CAN GET THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, CAN HELP PROVIDE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION YOU'RE WANTING INSTEAD OF HAVING A TRIAL AND ERROR. I GOT TO DRAFT IT.

YOU GOT TO TELL ME. NO, THAT'S NOT. WE'LL HAVE A FORM ONLINE AND.

OKAY, GOOD. IT SHOULD BE PLUG AND PLAY FOR THE MOST PART.

GOOD. AND THAT WILL BE BOTH IN ENGLISH AND IN SPANISH.

IT'S MY ASSUMPTION. AND AS FAR AS.

SO THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER GETS TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DIVERT CARDBOARD START NOW.

THEY SEND THAT IN, WE PUT THE CONTAINER OUT.

THAT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY UNTIL.

THE CUSTOMER SAYS, OKAY, I'M GOING TO TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

LET'S TRY SOME. LET'S ADD SOME OF THOSE COMPONENTS.

OKAY. IS THAT FANTASTIC? I REALLY I APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE I THOUGHT, OH, THIS IS GOING TO BE SO EXCITING TO HAVE EVERYBODY TRYING TO DIVERT EVERYTHING THAT'S ELIGIBLE.

YEAH, WE WE TOOK IN WHAT OTHER CITIES WERE DOING AND THEY'RE VERY AGGRESSIVE PLANS AND WE'RE TAKING A MORE PASSIVE APPROACH AND KIND OF LETTING, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY GET THEIR FOOT IN THE DOOR AND SEE WHAT WORKS AND GROW FROM THERE.

OKAY. SO IN THE GROWTH OR THE EXPANSION, WHO CONTROLS THAT? IS IT IS THE CITY GOING TO COME ALONG AT SOME POINT AND SAY, OKAY, WE'VE DONE THIS FOR THIS LONG? YOU'RE I MEAN, IS THERE A POINT WHERE THE CITY DICTATES WHAT'S IN THE DIVERSION PLAN OR IS THAT UP TO TRULY THE CUSTOMER? SO IF YOU KEPT IT CARDBOARD THE WHOLE TIME.

THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY KIND OF MY APPROACH.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR LONG TERM IS, IS YOU CATCH MORE WITH HONEY THAN VINEGAR.

SO I WOULD DO A WASTE AUDIT IF I FELT THERE WAS SOMEBODY THAT COULD DIVERT MORE, I WOULD DO A WASTE AUDIT AND SHOW THEM WHAT IT WHAT IT WAS AND THEN SEE IF THEY WERE WILLING TO TRY SOME MORE DIVERSION.

FANTASTIC. VERY HELPFUL INFORMATION.

I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO I'M GOING TO JUMP IN.

SO I HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS.

SORRY I DIDN'T GET THEM TO YOU IN ADVANCE, BUT I HAD TO READ THE DOCUMENT TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE ON POINT.

SO. A LOT OF MY CONCERN WITH THIS CAN BE ADDRESSED IF IF WE'RE WILLING TO REMOVE CIAO.

THE WORD CIAO IN SECTION 24.67, BECAUSE AS IT READS TO ME AND YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M READING IT WRONG, EVERY OWNER SHALL.

OBTAIN CONTAINERS OF SUFFICIENT SIZE AND NUMBER TO HOLD THE MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLABLE MATERIALS.

WHICH ACCUMULATE ON THE PREMISES.

SO THAT READS TO ME LIKE EVERY PERSON SHALL GET A RECYCLE BIN FROM THE CITY OF DENTON, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN. EVERY COMMERCIAL ENTITY SHALL.

DIVERT WASTE IN WHATEVER FASHION THEY WANT TO.

SO THAT'S INTENDED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST THROWING THEIR RECYCLABLES ON THEIR THEIR LAWN OR STORING IT IN A PLACE THAT COULD COLLECT RODENTS OR BE A SANITARY ISSUE.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS INTENDED TO, IS THEY CAN USE ANY CONTAINER THEY WANT TO HOLD THEIR CARDBOARD.

IF THEY'RE USING CITY OF DENTON, THEN WE WOULD PROVIDE THE CONTAINER.

SO YEAH, WELL THEN I WOULD JUST SAY AGAIN, IT NEEDS TO BE THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ASTERISK OR A DEFINITION OR FOR ME TO GET COMFORTABLE TO SAY I SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE AS I READ IT AND THE PHONE CALLS I'VE RECEIVED ARE SAYING, HEY, THEY'RE MANDATING I AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE I SAT IN ON THE PRIVATE MEETING YOU HAD WITH THE WITH THE APARTMENT OWNERS.

I'VE SAT IN ON EVERYTHING YOU'VE PUT OUT.

SO I'M NOT THIS IS NOT NEW.

BUT BUT THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH THE DOCUMENT.

AND SO IF THOSE CHANGES ARE PUT FORWARD, HAPPY TO LOOK AT IT.

THE OTHER THINGS THAT THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME WERE AND I'VE NOT HEARD A CLEAR ANSWER ON THIS.

AND SO IF WE CAN FOCUS IN ON ILLEGAL DUMPING.

BECAUSE CURRENTLY IF THERE'S IF THERE'S CONTAMINATION IN THE RECYCLE BIN, WE DON'T TAKE IT THAT'S CURRENT.

SO IF WE DO A DO NOT COLLECT.

SO IF WE DO AN AUDIT AND IT'S CONTAMINATED OR THERE IS ILLEGAL DUMPING, WE ASK THE PROPERTY OWNER TO CLEAN IT OUT OR WE CAN PICK IT UP AS TRASH.

SO WE DO OFFER THOSE TWO OPTIONS SO WE CAN EITHER PICK IT UP AS TRASH OR THEY CAN CLEAN IT OUT IN THE RECYCLING BIN.

CAN WE HAVE A RUNNING STATEMENT? CAN THEY HAVE A KIND OF A RUNNING REQUEST THAT SAYS IF THIS RECYCLE BIN IS CONTAMINATED, PICK IT UP AS TRASH? YEAH, THEY CAN.

SO IT'S KIND OF A STANDING ORDER.

I'M SURE WE CAN WORK THAT OUT WITH THE CUSTOMER.

YEAH, OKAY.

BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE CHALLENGE FOR ME IS I'VE NOT HEARD A GOOD ANSWER.

I UNDERSTAND THE SHOOTS, I UNDERSTAND THE LOCKS.

BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND FROM PEOPLE THAT HAVE THOSE PEOPLE JUST JUMP ON THE PLASTIC LID AND BREAK IT AND THEN LIFT IT UP.

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YEAH. SO UNLESS YOU'RE TELLING ME THE PLASTICS IMPENETRABLE AND THAT THEY WERE TELLING ME WRONG, BUT I'M CERTAIN IT'S FLEXIBLE ENOUGH, RIGHT? YOU JUST JUMP ON TOP OF IT.

YEAH, JUMP. AND THEN IT BREAKS AND THEN YOU CAN LIFT IT.

AND I THINK WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF COMMUNICATING NOT JUST WITH COMMERCIAL CONTAINERS, BUT WITH RESIDENTIAL CARTS TOO.

IF THEY'RE BROKEN, THEY CAN PUT IN A CUSTOMER SERVICE CALL AND WE CAN COME OUT AND FIX WHATEVER IS BROKEN ON ON THOSE CONTAINERS, CERTAINLY.

BUT IT'S AFTER THE FACT, RIGHT.

I JUST I JUST WANT TO I WANT THE CITY TO EMBRACE THE FACT THAT.

ILLEGAL DUMPING HAPPENS.

PEOPLE GO IN DUMPSTERS FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

PEOPLE NEED A SPACE FOR THEIR COUCH AND THE RECYCLE BIN IS LOW AND THE COUCH NEEDS TO GET INTO THE RECYCLE BIN.

SO THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES WHERE IF IT'S STICKING OUT, WE CAN'T DUMP IT BECAUSE IT WON'T DUMP PROPERLY AND IT COULD CAUSE IT COULD COME THROUGH THE WINDSHIELD, RIGHT? YES, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND THAT'S WHY I'VE MENTIONED IT BEFORE.

AND IT'S GOTTEN ZERO TRACTION AND THAT THAT'S OKAY, BECAUSE I'M NOT A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT, BUT I WOULD MUCH RATHER US ASSESS A FEE TO OUR COMMERCIAL.

CAN'T OUR COMMERCIAL CLIENTS THAT ALLOWS A ALMOST A DIVISION OF VALETS OF SOME SORT TO GO TO FACILITIES BECAUSE I SEE IT WITH GREAT FREQUENCY.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE DUMP EVERYTHING ALL AROUND THE DUMPSTER AND THEN THE DRIVER WILL DRIVE UP.

RIGHTFULLY SO. HEY, I CAN'T GET TO IT.

CAN'T LIFT IT.

BUT. BUT WE JUST IF WE HAD A VALET SERVICE THAT SAID, HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE IT'S READY TO GO DAY BEFORE SOMEONE HAS A ROUTE, THEY DRIVE IT, THEY MAKE SURE IT'S GOOD DRIVER IS UNIMPEDED, YOU KNOW, THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

I THINK OUR COMMERCIAL CLIENTS WOULD PAY FOR IT, BUT IT'S MORE OF A WHITE GLOVE SERVICE.

SO WE ALSO HAVE BULKY PICKUP ON TUESDAYS FOR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS.

SO IF THERE'S A COUCH OR SOME OTHER BULKY, WE COME ON TUESDAYS AND WE PICK ALL OF THAT UP.

YES. I JUST I THE CHALLENGE I'VE HEARD IS THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING IT RIGHT.

THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO IT DEFINITELY DO A BETTER JOB OF COMMUNICATING ALL OF THOSE SERVICES.

BUT. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.

EUGENE MCKINNEY, DEPUTY DIRECTOR I GET I GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN THE QUESTION YOU'RE PRESENTING US WITH AS WELL AS YOUR CONCERNS.

THE BULKY SERVICE FOR COMMERCIAL.

AGAIN, IT'S AT, YOU KNOW, ON A SPECIFIC DAY.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, A LOT OF THINGS CAN ACCUMULATE FROM THIS DAY TO THE NEXT TIME THAT SERVICE COME AROUND.

RIGHT? BUT WITH THAT, IF A VALET SERVICE WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL STAFF ON TOP OF WHAT WE HAVE TO KIND OF ROVE THESE AREAS AND MAKE SURE TYPICALLY WHEN THIS IS WHEN THIS IS DONE, WHEN YOU HAVE ILLEGAL DUMPING IN APARTMENTS, THE APARTMENT MANAGEMENT COMPANIES TIGHTEN THE RULES ON HOW THEY MANAGE WHAT GOES INTO THE DUMPSTERS. A LOT MORE COMPANIES NOW ARE HIRING VALET SERVICES THAT PICK IT UP AND KIND OF SEPARATE THINGS AS THEY GO INTO THE CONTAINER.

THEY'RE DOING GREAT JOBS IN AND AND SEPARATING WHAT'S WHAT GOES WHERE TO ALSO THERE I TALKED WITH A COMMUNITY OVER IN FLOWER MOUND A FEW WEEKS AGO JUST NOSY SEEING SOME GUYS PICKING UP SOME FURNITURE.

33 YEARS IN THIS BUSINESS.

I DROVE IN. HEY, WHAT Y'ALL DOING WITH THAT, RIGHT? THERE'S A REUSE OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE COUCHES, THOSE MATTRESSES THAT ARE COMPILED ALONG.

I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, BUT THEY'RE FINDING NEW LIFE FOR IT.

YES, NO, AND I LOVE THAT.

AND I THINK I'M CONFIDENT THAT IF I WENT TO THE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS AND SAID, HERE'S THIS FEE AND IT GOES STRAIGHT THROUGH TO EXTRA PEOPLE WORKING TO MAKING SURE YOUR DUMPSTER DOORS ARE CLOSED, WELL, THAT EVERYTHING'S CLEAR THAT IT'S PICKED UP REGULARLY, THAT SORT OF THING.

I BELIEVE THEY WOULD EMBRACE THAT.

BUT I'LL JUST TELL YOU, I'LL LISTEN TO MORE DISCUSSION.

BUT JUST THAT ONE FIX ON SHAW RIGHT.

WOULD OR SOME EXPLANATION AROUND SHAW GIVES ME SOME COMFORT LEVEL.

BUT THE OTHER EXAMPLE I'LL GIVE YOU BECAUSE STAFF HEARS ME REGULARLY TALK ABOUT THIS AND IT'S STILL THERE.

GOODWILL WHERE IT USED TO BE, RIGHT? THEY CAN'T EVEN KEEP COUCHES FROM THERE, RIGHT? LIKE IT'S AN OPEN AREA.

NO DUMPSTER. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO BY EVERY DAY AND REGULARLY MAKE SURE NO ONE'S DROPPED OFF A COUCH AND THEY CAN'T DO IT OR THEY CHOOSE NOT TO.

BUT I COULD SEND YOU A PICTURE EVERY DAY, EVEN AFTER THEY CLEAN UP THE NEXT DAY OF A COUCH SITTING THERE.

AND SO HOW DO WE.

EVEN MORE SO IF YOU HAVE A DUMPSTER.

AND CASE IN POINT, AND I HAVE THE PICTURES, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME.

BUT. BEFORE I STARTED REALLY RAISING HECK ABOUT THEM NOT TAKING CARE OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

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THEY HAD THE BLUE COVERS ON THE THE THE PROTECTIONS TO DRIVE, NOT TO DRIVE IN THE BUILDING.

THE LITTLE CEMENT COVERS THAT SO PEOPLE WERE MISS IT KIND OF GAVE THE FALSE PERCEPTION, THE GOODWILL STILL THERE IT HAD GOODWILL ON IT AFTER THE CITY MADE THEM GO CLEAN IT UP, THEY TOOK THEM OFF. SO IT'S THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, RIGHT? THEY COULD HAVE TAKEN THOSE OFF WELL BEFORE THAT.

THEY JUST CHOSE NOT TO UNTIL THE CITY'S LIKE, HEY, YOU GOT TO DO IT RIGHT AND OR YOU GOT TO KEEP THIS CLEAN.

BUT EVEN BEYOND THAT, THEY HAVE NOT MAINTAINED THAT AT A LEVEL TO WHERE YOU DON'T FIND A COUCH THERE EVERY WEEK.

AND SO THEN YOU SAY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT WITH A DUMPSTER AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO POLICE THAT? AND SO THAT'S REALLY THE THING FOR ME IS JUST IF WE'RE READY TO GET AGGRESSIVE ON THIS, I'M READY TO GO WITH YOU.

BUT AGGRESSIVE MEANS PEOPLE THAT ARE TRESPASSING AND GOING ON PEOPLE INTO PEOPLE'S DUMPSTERS.

WE NEED TO START ISSUING CITATIONS, NO TRESPASSING, BUYING CAMERAS LIKE WE DO FOR OUR AREAS THAT TO MONITOR ILLEGAL DUMPING.

OKAY. COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES.

HERE'S A CAMERA. YOU CAN BORROW IT, CAPTURE WHO'S DOING IT, AND WE'LL GO GET AFTER THEM LIKE LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GET AGGRESSIVE AND SAY, LET'S DIVERT STUFF AND LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE ENFORCING RULES.

THAT GOES BOTH WAYS AND MAKING SURE WE COME ALONGSIDE OF THEM AND SAY WE HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME.

THAT'S MY CONCERN, IS THAT WE'RE IT CAN LOOK LIKE WE'RE SAYING YOU GO DO THESE THINGS AND WE UNDERSTAND LIFE HAPPENS, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, PARTNER WITH YOU ON THAT.

SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. BUT I'LL LISTEN TO EVERYONE ELSE.

THAT'S THAT'S MY HESITANCY THUS FAR.

COUNCILMAN MCGEE. MR. MAYOR, IF I MAY JUST ASK SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHAT YOU SAID.

DID YOU SAY THAT WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IS SOME TYPE OF AUTOMATIC FEE PUT IN PLACE, THAT IF A CONTAINER IS CONTAMINATED, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY PICKED UP AS TRASH AND THEN FEE IS ASSESSED. A VERSION OF THAT.

I'D RATHER SEE SOMEONE DRIVE THE ROUTE BECAUSE WE KNOW THE ROUTES IN ADVANCE.

RIGHT. SO THEN A, YOU KNOW, TWO GUYS AND A TRUCK DRIVE THAT ROUTE THE NIGHT BEFORE AND MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR AND READY TO GO.

SO AT FIVE IN THE MORNING, WHENEVER THE COMMERCIAL TRUCK SHOWS UP TO OPEN THE GATES, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF IN THE WAY THEY LOAD, THEY CLOSE.

AND THEN THAT THOSE GUYS COME BACK, LOCK THE DOORS.

SO WE DON'T HAVE BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE IS RIGHT NOW A DRIVER DRIVES UP, STOPS OPENS THE GATE THAT WE MAKE THEM PUT ON, GET JUMP BACK IN THEIR TRUCK, GO IN, LIFT IT, DUMP IT, PUT IT BACK DOWN, BACK OUT, JUMP BACK DOWN OUT OF THE TRUCK, CLOSE THE GATE AND GO TO THE NEXT THING.

I THINK WE CAN EXPEDITE THAT.

NOW, AGAIN, I'M NOT A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT.

THAT MAY BE JUST THE WAY IT'S DONE, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M ADVOCATING.

I WAS I TALKED ABOUT IS JUST KIND OF A A.

PRE. PICK UP DRIVE OF THINGS TO MAKE SURE THE DRIVERS HAVE AN EASIER PATH, DO AUDITS RIGHT NOW AND WE HAVE RUN INTO SCENARIOS WHERE THERE'S REPEAT OFFENDERS. AND WHAT WE DO IS WE HELP FIND OUT WHY IT'S OCCURRING.

SO WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE AT SCHOOLS THE RECYCLE BIN IS RIGHT NEXT TO A DONATION BIN.

SO WE'VE HAD GREAT SUCCESS IN MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE SEPARATED AND THAT'S REMOVED A LOT OF THE LEGAL DUMPING AND A LOT OF THE CONTAMINATION.

SO IT'S A MATTER OF UNDERSTANDING THE LAYOUT FOR THE CUSTOMER AND FINDING WHY IS THIS OCCURRING.

YOU KNOW, AND TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS AND WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN HELPING CUSTOMERS FIND SOLUTIONS.

MAYOR, JUST TO YOUR IDEA OF A GROUP THAT GOES IN ADVANCE THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST WOULD THAT WOULD BE, BUT I'M AFRAID IT WOULD BE PROHIBITIVE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE.

A TWO PERSON CREW.

I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD DRIVE AROUND THE CITY.

I WOULD ONLY HAVE TO BE MORE THAN TWO TO GET TO WHERE ALL THE PLACES WOULD BE.

THE COST WOULD BE.

PASSED ON TO THE TAXPAYERS.

THE BETTER ROUTE TO GO IS THE AUDIENCE IS COMMUNICATING WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND THE BUSINESSES ABOUT LIKE APARTMENT COMPLEXES BASICALLY HAVE A PERSON THAT'S IN MAINTENANCE THAT GOES OUT THERE AND OPENS THOSE GATES, MAKES SURE EVERYTHING'S PICKED UP AROUND IT.

THE TRUCK GOES IN AND AND UNLOADS ALL THE TRASH AND UNLOADS THE THE RECYCLING AS WELL.

THE GUY COMES OR THE LADY COMES BACK, CLOSES THE GATE AFTER THEY'VE COME.

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I SEE.

YES, PEOPLE DO DUMP, BUT I ALSO SEE APARTMENTS NOW GETTING SMART, PUTTING LOCKS ON THEIR GATES AND THE FENCE IS HIGH ENOUGH SO THAT PEOPLE CAN'T DUMP THE COUCH AND STUFF OVER IT.

OTHER THAN SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE APARTMENT WHO DROP OFF THINGS.

BUT IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING FAIRLY WELL THROUGH THE AUDITS AND THROUGH CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES OF HERE'S HOW YOU CAN SOLVE THIS PROBLEM, HERE'S HOW YOU CAN.

NOW, BUSINESSES, I DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THAT.

BUT I MEAN, I THINK IF THEY PICKED UP THE PHONE AND CALLED US AND ASKED IF WHAT'S YOUR SUGGESTIONS, WHAT CAN WE DO, WE WOULD TRY TO WORK WITH THEM.

[02:30:06]

I THINK DEVELOPING A CREW IS GOING TO BE COST PROHIBITIVE UNLESS THE COUNCIL TELLS US YOU WANT TO, WE CAN COME BACK WITH THE COST.

BUT THAT COST, I WANT YOU TO KNOW, WILL BE DIRECTLY PASSED ON TO THE TAXPAYERS.

YOU HAVE. OKAY, THEN I WILL.

I TAKE YOUR POINT, BUT I GUESS MY CONCERN IS AND I'LL BE SUPER BRIEF.

THEY DON'T GO THROUGH THE TROUBLE OF CLIMBING THE GATE.

THEY JUST DUMP IT IN FRONT OF IT.

RIGHT. I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOLE THING.

LIKE THEY'RE NOT IN A HURRY TO DO BAD THE RIGHT WAY.

COUNCILMAN COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND.

OR THEY DRAG IT ONTO A COUNTRY ROAD SOMEPLACE AND NOBODY'S LOOKING AND.

AND A COUCH FALLS OUT OF THE BACK OF THE CAR.

I ABSOLUTELY KNOW THAT HAPPENS.

THANK YOU. HOW DO YOU KNOW? HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN A LOAD IS CONTAMINATED? SO RIGHT NOW, OUR VENDOR, PRATT, GIVES US A CONTAMINATION REPORT EVERY MONTH BASED ON THE TRUCK.

OKAY, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT TILL IT GETS TO PRATT.

YEAH, UNLESS WE'RE BEING PROACTIVE WITH OUR AUDITS.

SO WE HAVE TWO INTERNS, WE HAVE A FIELD AUDITOR, WE HAVE TWO WASTE REDUCTION COORDINATORS AND SUSTAINABILITY AND A BUSINESS ACCOUNT COORDINATOR IN SOLID WASTE WHO DO AUDITS AS PART OF THEIR DAILY FUNCTION.

SO WE GO OUT AND PROACTIVELY CHECK.

ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE, SOME FRIENDS OF MINE THAT ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THAT RECYCLING IS A MYTH? I KNOW THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T.

YES. I MEAN, IT'S THE TOOTH FAIRY AND SANTA CLAUS.

IT'S I'M ON BOARD.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I'M NOT ONE OF THEM.

BUT I HAVE HAD PEOPLE SAY IT'S JUST NOT A THING.

IT ALL GOES TO THE SAME PLACE.

THERE'S NOT A IT'S NOT A RECYCLING THING.

THAT'S I THINK I THINK WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF OF OF EDUCATING.

AT LEAST MY FRIENDS.

CERTAINLY. AND AND AND MAYBE MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF OF THE SPECIAL PICKUP FOR EXAMPLE THAT THAT THAT'S THAT THAT'S AN EASY THAT'S AS EASY AS PICKING UP THE PHONE.

ANYWAY, THANK YOU.

DO YOU HAVE DIRECTION. WELL HAVE YOU.

SORRY. DO YOU HAVE DIRECTION OR NOT YET? NO PRESSURE. I THINK I THINK THE SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING DOES A WONDERFUL JOB.

I DO THINK THAT AND I THINK I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE TO PROCEED WITH WITH WHAT WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE.

BUT BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SPECIFIC AND TARGETED INFORMATION SENT OUT TO PEOPLE WHO WHO MIGHT BE LIKELY OFFENDERS AND THE NOTION OF LOCKING THE DOOR.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT ALL THAT DOES IS PREVENT PEOPLE FROM THROWING IT INTO THE DUMPSTER.

THAT DOES NOT PREVENT THEM FROM DISPOSING OF THEIR OF THEIR COUCH.

ANYONE ELSE? I HAVE A QUESTION.

COUNCILMAN. BYRD. THIS SCENARIO IS.

A HOME THAT IS BEING THEY SAY SOMEBODY GOT KICKED OUT OF THEIR HOUSE AND THE HOMEOWNERS JUST PUT EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAD ON THE CURB. YOU KNOW, THAT HAPPENS, GET EVICTED.

EVERYTHING GOES ON THE CURB.

I CALLED IN ONE OF THOSE BEFORE.

AND SO WHAT HAPPENED TO GET ALL OF THAT STUFF OFF THE CURB? DID THE THE OWNER OF THE HOME RECEIVED SOME KIND OF FINE OR ARE THEY COMMUNICATED TO DOES THE CITY PICK IT UP AS A SPECIAL ORDER AND SEND THAT BILL TO THE TO THE HOMEOWNERS? HOW DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT WORK FOR THE PEOPLE? SO THERE WAS NO CALL TO CUSTOMER SERVICE.

IT WAS JUST PUT OUT THERE.

YEAH, IT WAS JUST PUT OUT THERE.

OKAY. WE DON'T PICK IT UP.

WELL, THEY'LL PROBABLY GET A CALL AND ASK, DID YOU PUT IT THERE AND THEN KIND OF TELL US WE'LL TELL THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO DO OR WHEN WE CAN COME OUT AND PICK IT UP.

AND THEN IF IT STAYS THERE, I BELIEVE THERE'S A CITATION.

BUT. RIGHT.

BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, IT WAS THERE FOR 3 OR 4 DAYS.

AND I FINALLY SAID, OKAY, THAT'S IT.

I'M DOING SOMETHING OR SAYING SOMETHING TO SOMEBODY ABOUT SOMETHING.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, VERY QUICKLY IT WAS GONE.

SO I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW IF I'M A HOMEOWNER AND I'M LEASING OUT MY SPACE AND THOSE PEOPLE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, AND NOW I'VE GOT TO PUT ALL OF THEIR THINGS TO THE CURB. IS IT MY RESPONSIBILITY TO CALL THE CITY, TO HAVE THEM TO COME AND PICK IT UP AND I PAY FOR IT? YES. SO YOU GET FREE, LEAVE IT OUT THERE.

YOU SHOULD CALL AND ASK US TO COME PICK IT UP.

AND EUGENE'S TEAM IS REALLY GOOD ABOUT COMING SAME DAY OR THE NEXT DAY IF WE KNOW ABOUT IT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAD.

AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PLAN.

I APPRECIATE IT. AND I'LL BE SAYING YES.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN. I BEG YOUR PARDON, MISS BYRD.

WHEN? WHEN? WHEN SOMEBODY.

I HAVE A LITTLE EXPERIENCE WITH THIS, WHEN PEOPLE ARE EVICTED AND THERE IS A WRIT OF POSSESSION ISSUED.

[02:35:06]

THE CONSTABLE'S DEPARTMENT.

BY STATE LAW, THEY ARE TO PUT THOSE GOODS ON THE CURB.

THE ONLY EXCEPTION TO THAT IS DURING INCLEMENT WEATHER.

SO SO THAT'S THAT'S JUST PART OF THE EVICTION PROCESS.

IF THE IF THE TENANT HASN'T HASN'T TAKEN CARE OF THAT PRIOR TO BEING TO BEING EVICTED AND THAT ONLY HAPPENS WITH A WRIT OF POSSESSION.

SO SO EVERYTHING'S GONE SOUTH AT THAT POINT.

BUT IT'S THE HOMEOWNER.

IT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY.

ULTIMATELY, IF IF IF MR. MCGEE AND I DON'T GO PICK IT UP UNDER COVER OF DARKNESS, IT'S THE HOMEOWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY.

THANK YOU. OH, COUNCILWOMAN.

REAL QUICK, WHICH WHICH SECTION WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WAS THE 24? WHAT? 2467 UNDER ABE.

CONTAINERS FOR MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLED MATERIALS.

SO WHAT? IT'S TITLED AND THEN IT'S A YES.

OKAY, LET ME LOOK. OKAY. AND THEN SHALL IS IN RED.

I'M. I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE.

I'M LOOKING AT MY RED LINE VERSION.

YES. AND I'M LOOKING AT SECTION 24, DASH 67.

IS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT THE TITLE SAYS CHARGES FOR COMMERCIAL SERVICE.

NO CONTAINERS SIX HAS BEEN.

JUST YET. 24. 07077.

PUT THE BASS RIGHT AT THE SIX MARK.

OKAY. DASH SEVEN OR DASH 77.

OH, OKAY. WELL, I'LL COME BACK TO THAT.

RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH.

OKAY. OKAY. SORRY.

YEAH. ONE REAL QUICK QUESTION OF CLARITY.

YES. YES. YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT IF YOU HAVE A CONTAMINATION IN A RECYCLE, THAT YOU CAN THAT THE CITY WILL COME OUT AND PICK IT UP AS DEBRIS, NON RECYCLABLE MATERIAL, THEY'LL JUST DUMP IT.

NUMBER ONE, IS THERE A IS THAT IS THE FEE FOR THAT JUST THE NORMAL RECYCLING PICKUP FEE OR IS THAT A DIFFERENT FEE? IT'S A NEXT DAY SERVICE FEE.

PICKUP IS TRASH.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND SO THEN WHEN I'M LOOKING AT 24, SIX, EIGHT, GENERAL SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING SERVICE RESPONSIBILITIES, 20 476, EIGHT SAYS ON.

SEE, LET ME LET ME JUST BACK UP.

WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS THAT CODIFIED IN IS THAT IS THAT MEMORIALIZED IN THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU CAN CALL IF IT'S IF IT'S IF THE RECYCLING IS CONTAMINATED, THAT YOU CAN CALL AND HAVE IT PICKED UP AS TRASH.

AND THE ONLY REASON I ASK IS IN 24, SIX, EIGHT, C SAYS IF A CONTAINER IS UNABLE TO BE SERVICED DUE TO CONTAMINATION, OVERFLOW, BLOCKED OR OTHERWISE, YADDA YADDA YADDA AND ACCESSIBLE FEE MAY BE ASSESSED CONSISTENT WITH THE PUBLISHED UTILITY RATE ORDINANCES.

THEN THE NEXT ONE SAYS THE CUSTOMER IS REQUIRED, THE CUSTOMER IS REQUIRED TO REMOVE ANY AND ALL CONTAMINATION, OVERFLOW MATERIALS, ETCETERA.

BUT I DON'T SEE WHERE YOU'RE SAYING OR IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, YOU CAN CALL AND BE ASSESSED A PICK UP FEE BECAUSE WE CAN ADJUST IT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

AND I'LL JUST I'M GOING TO TEST I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A BIG KUDOS TO THE SOLID WASTE.

BULK PICKUP PROGRAM IS EXCELLENT.

I MEAN, PEOPLE DROP OFF A COUCH, THREE CHAIRS, NOT EVEN YOUR TENANTS.

IT'S 20 BUCKS TRIP CHARGE, $5 PER ITEM.

IT'S $30. YOU CAN'T MEAN THAT MUCH TO TAKE IT.

YEAH. AND PAY FOR THE LAMP.

SO THAT IS SUCH A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM.

AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.

SO 20 4-7 IS THE ONE.

OKAY. YES. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN. MCGEE. I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THAT CHANGE IN 24 SEVEN.

ARE WE ARE WE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD? STRIKING, STRIKING. HAS THAT CONSENSUS BEEN REACHED, MR. MAYOR? I DON'T KNOW.

NOT NOT NOT A CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL TO REQUEST IT.

AND WHAT IS YOUR SUGGESTION INSTEAD OF SUGGESTION ON LANGUAGE, THERE MAY.

WILL. YEAH.

YES. YEAH. JUST.

WELL, I WOULD JUST.

WELL, GO AHEAD, RON. WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY JUST TO AVOID US HAVING TO MAYBE WRITE AN ORDINANCE HERE AS A GROUP, IF WE CAN TAKE IT.

AND I THINK WE UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE DESIRE TO EDIT IT.

WE WANT TO MAINTAIN IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT THE TRASH, DEBRIS, RECYCLABLES HAVE TO BE CONTAINED.

SO WE MAY HAVE TO RETAIN A SHELL IN THERE, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE OPTIONS IN TERMS OF THAT CONTAINER, I BELIEVE IS THE INTENT OF THE BODY, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S MY YEAH, JUST SOMETHING THE ASTERISKS THAT SAYS NOT A RECYCLE BIN AS YOU AS YOU WOULD THINK OF THEM.

RIGHT. RIGHT. IT'S JUST IT HAS TO BE IN A BIN.

OKAY. RIGHT. WE WE CAN WORK WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON SOME GOOD LANGUAGE THAT KEEPS THE THE NEED TO HAVE IT CONTAINED, BUT GIVES SOME FLEXIBILITY ON HOW IT'S CONTAINED.

RIGHT. OKAY.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.

[02:40:03]

YES. NO, THERE'S CERTAINLY SUPPORT TO GO FORWARD WITH IT AS AS WRITTEN.

BUT THEN STAFF HAS TAKEN THOSE NOTES.

SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING OTHERS WANT TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION, I APPRECIATE THOSE THAT USE THE SERVICE GIVING THEIR INSIGHT.

THAT'S HELPFUL.

UM, AND YEAH, ANY, ANY OTHER COUNCILMAN? MELTZER YEAH, JUST BRIEFLY.

YEAH. AND ALSO APPRECIATE THE SHARP PENCIL VETTING FOR THOSE WHO REALLY KNOW THE COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY SIDE.

UM, JUST A LITTLE POINT.

I KNOW PEOPLE TOO, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND WHO JUST DON'T REALLY THINK RECYCLING IS A THING AND THE CITY IS SO GREAT AT DOING THESE LITTLE VIRAL VIDEOS.

JUST A THOUGHT THAT THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD TOPIC.

WHAT ACTUALLY BECOMES OF EACH PROGRAMMATIC MATERIAL, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF JUST NOT INSTEAD OF NOT JUST HERE'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.

IT'S HERE'S WHAT IT ACTUALLY BECOMES AN IDEA.

ACTUALLY, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

AND FROM A PREVIOUS CITY THAT I WORKED IN, THAT'S HOW THEY SHARED THE MESSAGE THROUGH THE TV OF ACTUALLY SOMEONE SHOWING RECYCLING EVERYTHING FROM WHAT THEY CAN PUT IN THEIR GREEN BIN, WHAT THEY CAN PUT IN THEIR TAN BIN OR THEIR BLUE BIN.

AND THEN OF COURSE, EVEN WHAT TO DO WITH PAINT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO PEOPLE ACTUALLY WATCHED IT.

AND I'LL ADD THAT I THINK WE HAVE SOME SOUP TO NUTS VIDEOS THAT ALREADY EXIST THAT WE CAN UPDATE AND GET THEM OUT IN THE WORLD.

AND THE FIRST ONE SHOULD BE NO PIZZA BOXES IN THE RECYCLING BIN.

TOPS. PLASTIC BAGS.

TOPS. TOPS OF THE PIZZA BOXES ARE GOOD.

BOTTOM. NO.

RIGHT. WELL SAID.

AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ASK IS I SAW IT AND I.

FORGIVE ME FOR NOT GIVING YOU THE SITE, BUT IT GIVES US THE OPTION TO MAIL THE NOTICES.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FOR ME, JUST ALONE.

THAT GIVES ME PAUSE.

SO WE ALWAYS TALK IN PERSON FIRST.

SO IF WE HAVE A SITUATION, WE ALWAYS TRY AND COMMUNICATE WITH THEM FACE TO FACE FIRST.

IF WE'RE UNABLE TO GET A HOLD OF THEM, THAT'S WHEN WE SEND THE LETTER.

OKAY. SO IF WE COULD JUST OUR PRACTICE IS TO IF THERE'S AN ASTERISKS AGAIN, SOMETHING IN THERE, JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT.

AND FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW.

CERTIFIED MAIL IS GREAT, BUT YOU COULD DRAW A BUNCH OF CIRCLES ON THE GREEN CARD AND MAIL IT BACK.

AND THEN THE PERSON THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GET IT SAYS, I DIDN'T GET IT, YOU KNOW? SO IT'S AS GOOD AS IT IS.

IT'S NOT AS GREAT AS TALKING TO THE PERSON.

AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE THESE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES AND DIFFERENT OWNERS AND MANAGEMENT AND HEY, I NEVER GOT IT AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

SO IT'S JUST IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME THAT WE GIVE THEM DUE NOTICE AND BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE CHANGE IS GOING TO HAPPEN, RIGHT? IF WE DON'T GET TO THE RIGHT PERSON TO START AFFECTING CHANGE, THEN IT MAY DELAY PROGRESS.

SO. OKAY, GREAT.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE INFORMATION.

COME BACK AND AND PIGGYBACK ON WHAT COUNCILMAN MELTZER SAID.

EVEN IF WE HAVE A ONE PAGER THAT KIND OF HAS A GRAPHIC THAT SAYS COMMERCIAL PICK UP BULK PICK UP THOSE SORT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH PEOPLE OR, YOU KNOW, PUSH OUT, THAT'D BE GREAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU.

SO FOOD IS HERE, WHICH MAKES ME REGRET THE EARLIER BREAK.

NO, JUST KIDDING. NOT REALLY.

NO, JUST KIDDING.

SO LET'S TAKE A BREAK BECAUSE THAT WE NEED TO EAT THAT WHILE IT'S HOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO HOLD.

WELL, SO IT IS 5:00.

LET'S TRY TO GET FOOD, BRING IT BACK IN HERE BY 520 AND WE'LL GET BACK STARTED.

GREEN BEANS. AND WELCOME BACK TO THIS MEETING AT DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

[E. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the nominations of Council members to standing and ad hoc boards, committees, and other internal/external groups, and the associated nomination and appointment processes. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

IT'S 515. WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH OUR WORK SESSION.

WE ARE ON ITEM E ID 231136.

RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE OTHER INTERNAL EXTERNAL GROUPS AND ASSOCIATED NOMINATIONS AND APPOINTMENTS PROCESS.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS JESSE SALAZAR.

I'M THE INTERIM CITY SECRETARY.

I AM HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER APPOINTMENTS.

THE BACKGROUND. COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS FOR INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL COMMITTEES ARE MADE AFTER EVERY ELECTION, HISTORICALLY MADE AFTER EVERY ELECTION.

COUNCIL GETS TO MAKE APPOINTMENTS TO SEVERAL INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL COMMITTEES, ALL OF WHICH WE WILL COVER HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.

THE MAYOR GETS TO MAKE APPOINTMENTS TO TWO COMMITTEES BEING THE TO MAKE THE APPOINTMENTS GETS VERIFIED BY THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL.

THOSE TWO BOARDS ARE THE COMMITTEE ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE.

LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THERE ARE OTHER EXTERNAL AND INTERNAL BOARDS THAT WE WILL COVER THAT WE NEED NOMINATIONS AND AT LEAST CONSENSUS ON WHO IS GOING TO SERVE ON THOSE BOARDS.

[02:45:05]

COUNCIL WAS ASKED TO IDENTIFY WHAT BOARDS THEY ARE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON.

AN ESR WENT OUT ON JUNE 2ND ASKING FOR YOUR INTEREST AND TELLING YOU WHERE THE VACANCIES ARE.

FORTUNATELY, WE DID GET INPUT FROM EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER DID RESPOND AND WE WILL SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU SHORTLY.

OVERSIGHT HERE FOR THE COUNCIL COMMITTEES.

THEY'RE AUTHORIZED BY THE RULES OF PROCEDURE SECTION 229 ONE, WHICH ALLOWS COUNCIL TO CONSTRUCT THEIR OWN COMMITTEES.

WE HAVE FOUR COMMITTEES.

ONE OF THEM WON'T BE DISCUSSED TODAY BECAUSE IT IS PREDETERMINED ON WHO SERVES ON THE AGENDA COMMITTEE.

HOWEVER, WE DO NEED A CONSENSUS ON THE COMMITTEE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, THE MOBILITY AND THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE.

THE THESE COMMITTEES CONSIST OF THREE MEMBERS EACH.

THEY GET THE COMMITTEE GETS TO CHOOSE THEIR OWN CHAIR AND BASICALLY THEIR.

RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PROVIDE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL.

AGAIN, THERE ARE MULTIPLE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE WILL DISCUSS.

I TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS APPOINTMENTS.

YOU CAN SEE HERE THE NUMBER OF APPOINTMENTS WE'RE LOOKING FOR, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT BOARDS OR COMMITTEES EXCUSE ME COMMITTEES, NOT BOARDS.

INDIVIDUALLY, IT'S NOT A LOT, BUT COLLECTIVELY.

WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 30 APPOINTMENTS TO BE MADE.

OKAY. THE DIRECTION HERE.

WE WILL REVIEW THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENTS TO THOSE SPECIFIC BOARDS I MENTIONED TO YOU EARLIER.

WE WILL ALSO REVIEW THE.

INTEREST COUNCIL HAS SHARED WITH US ABOUT WHAT BOARDS THEY OR COMMITTEES THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ON.

HOPEFULLY WE CAN COME TO A CONSENSUS.

THE RESULT OF THIS EXERCISE BASICALLY IS TO WE CAN ADOPT THE ENVIRONMENT AND MOBILITY AND THE CPC OR EXCUSE ME, THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE THIS EVENING.

HOWEVER, FOR THE OTHER EXTERNAL BOARDS, WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH RESOLUTIONS ON THE JULY 18TH AGENDA, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE COME OUT OF THIS EXERCISE. OKAY WITH THAT? WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED. HOWEVER, I AM GOING TO SWITCH OVER TO A DIFFERENT VIEW.

AND THIS TABLE THAT WAS BASICALLY THE SAME, EXCEPT IT HAS A LITTLE BIT UPDATED INFORMATION ON ALL THE INPUT COUNCIL HAS GIVEN US.

THE AGENDA COMMITTEE IS ALREADY PREDETERMINED, SO WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE THE MAYOR, THE MAYOR PRO TEM AND THE CITY MANAGER.

THE COMMITTEE ON THE ENVIRONMENT HAS IS NOMINATED BY THE MAYOR AND HE HAS SUGGESTED MAYOR PRO TEM BECK COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE AND COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND.

WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON THAT OR THERE AS FAR AS COMMUNITY ON THE ENVIRONMENT, THE FIRST TWO HAVE ALREADY BEEN SERVING COUNCIL MEMBER.

I THINK. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES. AND SO COUNCILMAN HOLLAND, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE SERVING? I'M HAPPY TO SERVE. OKAY, GREAT.

ALL RIGHT. IF WE CAN JUST SKIP OVER COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP RIGHT NOW AND LOOK AT THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE.

THE MAYOR HAS NOMINATED COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD COUNCILMEMBER WATTS AND COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE.

RIGHT. ANY COUNCILWOMAN WATTS.

YEAH, I WAS THINKING MAYBE.

CRACK MYSELF IN THAT COMMITTEE.

OKAY. IS THERE SOMEONE THAT WOULD DESIRE TO SERVE ON THAT COMMITTEE? ANYONE ELSE. OKAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MCGEE. I'LL JUST SAY I'M I'D BE VERY HAPPY AND HONORED TO JOIN THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE.

THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE. AS LONG AS.

I'M MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD AGREE TO.

TWEAKING THE MEETING TIME THE SCHEDULE A LITTLE BIT.

OKAY. SO SO JESSE FOR THAT NOT TO CUT YOU OFF IS THAT.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT'S THE FIRST MEETING OF THE DAY, WHATEVER DAY WE CHOOSE, SO I CAN GO TO WORK RIGHT AFTER, I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT ABLE TO KIND OF DO ANYTHING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, BUT I CAN DO STUFF, YOU KNOW, AT THAT 8 A.M.

TIME SLOT. SO IF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD BE AMENABLE TO WORK WITH ME ON THAT, I'D LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING.

OKAY. SO THEN I'M CONFUSED.

ARE WE ON COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP OR THE MOBILITY? MOBILITY? WE'RE ON MOBILITY.

OKAY, SO THE MOBILITY IS USUALLY ON WEDNESDAY MORNING.

SO TEN AT TEN, THOUGH.

OKAY. WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE STAFF MEMBER THAT THE STAFF THAT HAVE TO.

I MEAN, CERTAINLY WE'LL TRY TO ACCOMMODATE YOU, BUT BECKY AND TREVOR AND THEY'RE NOT HERE.

[02:50:02]

I NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN MAKE AN 8:00 MEETING AFTER A TUESDAY NIGHT COUNCIL MEETING.

I COMPLETELY RESPECT THAT. AND IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, I DO UNDERSTAND.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOUR STAFF IN A BAD WAY.

THEY WOULD BE OKAY, I THINK AS LONG YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT WAS.

NO, NO EARLIER THAN EIGHT, MAYBE 830 OR SOMETHING WHERE THEY CAN IT'S TUESDAY MORNING AND OPTION SINCE IT'S ALREADY A COUNCIL DAY.

I DON'T KNOW. I CAN ASK THEM OR HONESTLY ANY TUESDAY WOULD WORK.

I CAN FIND OUT. THAT MAY BE A PREFERENCE TOO.

I CAN ASK TO BE HONEST.

I CAN ACCOMMODATE ANY TIME ON ANY TUESDAY.

ENVIRONMENT IS ON TUESDAY AND WE CAN SHIFT IT.

BUT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.

AND HERE'S THE THING.

I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET RID OF A TON OF THESE COMMITTEES SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, SO IF WE WANT TO DO AWAY WITH IT AND THERE'S THERE'S PEOPLE THAT WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, I'M HERE FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S ALL THIS STUFF COMES BACK TO THE COUNCIL AS A BODY ANYWAY.

AND I COULD BE ALONE IN THAT AND THAT'S OKAY.

JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE SO EVERYONE KNOWS.

HE SAID 30 COMMITTEES.

30 EXCUSE ME? 30 APPOINTMENTS.

YEAH. OR HOWEVER MANY COMMITTEES IT IS, YOU KNOW.

BUT YES, I TAKE YOUR POINT.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

SO LET'S LET'S MOVE ON.

WE'LL COME BACK TO IT. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

YEAH, WE'LL MAKE IT WORK.

8:00 NORTH. ALL RIGHT.

MOVE THE MEETING. MOVE THE MEETING.

TIME TO TUESDAY. SO, WEDNESDAY MORNING, 8:00.

THE MAKEUP IS COUNCILMAN.

BYRD. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE COUNCIL MEMBER BEC.

CORRECT? YES. OKAY.

GOT IT. OKAY. THERE YOU GO.

DON'T DO THAT. THAT'S MEAN.

OKAY, NOW.

NOW WE CAN COME BACK TO COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE.

HOWEVER, THAT GETS TO BE NOMINATED BY THE WHOLE BODY.

OKAY. AND CURRENTLY SERVE IT ON THEIR ARE COUNCIL MEMBER, BYRD AND MCGEE.

SO I WOULD MOVE.

WE LEAVE AT THE SAME. I WOULD SUGGEST WE LEAVE IT THE SAME, BUT I'LL TAKE DISSENTING OPINIONS OR THOUGHTS OR COUNCIL MEMBER.

BYRD AND MCGEE HAVE SHOWN INTEREST AND THAT'S IN THE PARENTHESES THERE IN THAT LAST COLUMN.

YEAH. SO HAPPY TO CONTINUE SERVING.

THANK YOU. RIGHT.

RIGHT. YES, BUT I DON'T.

IS THERE. I DON'T SEE A NAME THERE.

RIGHT. GO AHEAD.

I WAS GOING TO ADD FOR THIS ONE, YOU'LL NOTICE THE SUPERSCRIPT, THE ONE THAT TWO MEMBERS WHO SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE, ON THIS COMMITTEE MUST ALSO SERVE ON THE DISCOVER DENTON ADVISORY BOARD. SO COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD ALREADY SERVES AND I BELIEVE HAS INDICATED HER INTEREST TO SERVE ON THAT BOARD ONE MORE TIME.

WE ALSO.

IF I CAN FIND IT.

THERE IT IS. WE ALSO HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND, WHO HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN SERVING ON THIS BOARD.

IF COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND WERE ADDED TO THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE.

WE WOULD SATISFY THAT REQUIREMENT WITH TWO PEOPLE FROM EACH OF THOSE COMMITTEES BEING THE SAME PERSON.

COUNCIL MEMBER, BYRD AND COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND.

ARE THOSE THE TWO THAT GO TOGETHER? YES, THEY DO GO TOGETHER.

THERE'S ANOTHER SET OF TWO THAT ALSO GO TOGETHER.

I DON'T HAVE DISCOVERED DENTON.

IT'S NEAR THE IT'S ON THE LAST.

IT'S ON THE IT'S ON THE LAST PAGE.

SECOND FROM THE TOP, I BELIEVE.

OH, THERE WE GO. OKAY, SO.

THEN THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT BOARD, RIGHT? THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE IS CURRENTLY SERVING.

SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS COUNCILMAN MCGEE ARE YOU ABLE TO SERVE? ON BOTH BECAUSE THAT'S A REQUIREMENT.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, RON.

THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT TWO MEMBERS TWO OF THE THREE MEMBERS MUST SERVE ON BOTH.

SO THAT WOULD BE SATISFIED WITH MS..

BYRD AND MR. HOLLAND. I'M THE ODD MAN OUT.

IS THAT CORRECT? GOT IT. OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT, THEN.

COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE SERVING THAT MEET? WE'LL SEE WHETHER THAT MEANS WHICH COMMITTEE IS THAT YOU'RE INQUIRING? I THINK WE'VE BEEN MEETING ON WEDNESDAYS.

COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP AND THE PARTNERSHIP COMMUNITY.

COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP. PARTNERSHIP MEETS AT 9 A.M.

ON WEDNESDAY. IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHICH WEDNESDAY, BECAUSE.

YEAH, WHICHEVER WEDNESDAY OVERLAP ON WEDNESDAYS.

MOBILITY. MOBILITY.

I JUST HAVE TO KEEP IT TO AN HOUR.

I WANT TO BE HERE. I MEAN, THERE'S FOUR WEDNESDAYS IN THE MONTH.

YEAH. ARE WE? OH, THAT'S TRUE.

ONCE A MONTH, WE CAN PUT IT ON EVERY SIXTH WEDNESDAY.

SO, DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF WHEN THEY MEET? NO, SIR. OKAY, SO IF WE CAN GET THAT BACK OUT TO YOU.

COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE DOESN'T MEET EVERY MONTH AS IT'S AS NEEDED.

SO RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED.

I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT TENTATIVELY JULY 21ST FOR THE NEXT COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE.

BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE MEMBERS TO CHANGE IT, DEPENDING ON SCHEDULES.

OKAY, SO COUNCILMAN HOLLAND SO THAT FIRST ONE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE VACILLATES.

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AND THEN ON THE DISCOVER DENTON IS THAT A SET DATE? NO, SIR, WE DIDN'T EVEN A SET DATE.

OKAY, SEND THAT OUT AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT THEN YOU CAN.

SO. NO, NO PRESSURE.

JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF IT FITS AND LET US KNOW.

I HAVE A CONFLICT ON WEDNESDAY, EARLY WEDNESDAY MORNING.

YEAH. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT EARLY.

THERE'S NO WAY. YEAH, IT STARTS AT LIKE 630.

YEAH. YEAH.

SO. BUT ANYWAY, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

OKAY. YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME.

YEAH, I KNOW THAT.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME IN THE MORNING.

WELL, I'M OVER HERE.

SARA. OKAY, JESSE.

WHERE ARE WE NOW, SIR? DEVELOPMENT CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE.

CURRENT MEMBERS ARE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

BYRD. MAYOR PRO TEM BECKMAN.

THE VACANCY, BECK, BYRD, MELCHER AND WATTS HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN WHAT SLID OFF ONE EYE.

HE BUILDS.

SO I YOU KNOW, I.

CAN I MAKE THIS A LITTLE EASIER? SURE. I'VE BEEN ON THE DEVELOPMENT CODE REVIEW BEFORE WITH THE CHAIR WHEN I WAS MAYOR.

THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD.

I'VE HAD AN INTEREST.

I DON'T. AND PLUS I'M THE I'M I'M ON THE DOWNTOWN TOURS NUMBER ONE BOARD RIGHT NOW.

IT SAYS IT'S VACANT SO I DON'T KNOW IF ME I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS BUT.

SO I MEAN, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD OR DEVELOPMENT CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE, I'D LIKE TO BE ON EITHER ONE OF THOSE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

IF YOU SERVE ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD, YOU DO SERVE ON TOURS, TWO TOURS, TWO OR TOURS.

TWO TOURS.

TWO, YES. AND AND THEN YOU SAID YOU'RE ON TOURS.

ONE TOURS TWO IS THE ONLY ONE THAT MAKES MONEY.

YEAH, IT TOURS.

ONE IS DOWNTOWN, RIGHT? TOURS TWO IS THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

THAT'S WHERE I DIDN'T.

I DIDN'T. NEVER MIND.

I'M NOT GOING DOWN. THAT'S FINE. OKAY, SO.

YEAH, WELL, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO.

I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO BE ON THE TOURS.

SO I'LL JUST. I'LL WITHDRAW FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD, BUT I'D LIKE TO BE ON THE DEVELOPMENT CODE REVIEW, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO.

IT'S GOING TO COME TO US ANYWAY.

BUT I DO HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THAT AND, YOU KNOW, WAS INVOLVED WITH.

MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THAT OF THAT CODE, BUT I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.

OKAY. SO IS THERE IS THERE ANYONE THAT'S.

AGAINST THAT ARE YOU KNOW THAT'S SO WE'RE AT DEVELOPMENT CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE PLUGGING IN COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS TO JOIN COUNCIL MEMBER, BYRD AND COUNCIL MEMBER BECK.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? YOU EXPRESSED INTEREST THAT YOU WOULD BE THE OTHER PERSON THERE ON THAT? WELL. I'M SORRY, MR. MAYOR. THAT WAS RUDE. THAT'S YOUR JOB.

I APOLOGIZE. NO, THAT'S FINE.

LIKE ME TO COMMENT.

YEAH. I SHARE YOUR INTEREST IN DRC AND EDDY PB IF YOU'RE GOING ONE WAY, I WOULD GO THE OTHER WAY, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY DOWN TO THE TWO OF US, BUT YOU ONLY NEED THREE, RIGHT? PB SO HEY, BYRD AND BECK HAVE SAID THEY WANT TO STAY ON, STAY ON DCR THERE'S REALLY JESSE SLOT.

YEAH. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF I HEARD YOU AND COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS IS NOT INTERESTED AS INTERESTED IN ED PB THEN BETWEEN THE TWO ANYWAY.

YES. SO THEN IF YOU'RE PLUGGED IN THERE, THEN YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO BE PLUGGED INTO THE TOURS TO TERS TOO.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. SO IS THAT AN OPTION OR NO? IT IS FOR ME. OKAY, THEN THAT WORKS.

SO THEN. JESSE DEVELOPMENT CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. WHAT'S THEN? THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD WOULD BE MADE UP OF MYSELF AND MEMBER MELTZER AS WELL AS THE TWO WOULD BE MYSELF AND COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER.

YEAH, WE DID THE OTHER TOURS TOGETHER, SO LET'S NOW DO THIS ONE.

LET'S GET THE BAND BACK TOGETHER.

YEAH. THEN THAT TAKES US TO.

CLARIFY DEVELOPMENT CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE IS GOING TO BE BYRD.

BECK AND WHAT'S OKAY? CORRECT. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR, CHRIS.

YEAH, A LOT OF WORK.

THIS IS OURS ON PARKING.

ARE YOU READY FOR OURS? ON PARKING. OKAY.

GET IN THERE. RIGHT. OR MORE REVERSE PARKING IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

YEAH, I'M WITH YOU. MORE REVERSE PARKING RIGHT HERE.

REVERSE. REVERSE.

YOU KNOW HOW HARD JESSE.

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THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU HAVE A BACKUP CAMERA? YES. OKAY.

WHERE ARE WE NOW? TOURS ONE. YES.

OKAY. TOURS ONE IS IT WAS.

I WAS ON IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW.

I MEAN. YEAH.

CAN YOU CAN WE DOUBLE CHECK THAT IF.

IS THAT RIGHT? I'VE GONE TO THE MEETINGS.

I KNOW THAT MUCH. OH.

WHAT WAS SHOWING UP AT THE MEETING? YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW, IF SHE WAS THERE, SHE CAN TELL SHE DOESN'T WANT ME TO BE ON ANY OF THESE COMMITTEES.

THIS IS A SIR. YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN VACATED WHEN YOU GOT ELECTED.

AND THEY'RE SO NICE. THEY'LL SAY, COME ON IN, COUNCIL MEMBER ONCE I'M ON THIS MORNING, BUT I'M COMING IN, I THINK SOMEBODY.

YEAH, YOU'RE ALL PUBLIC MEETINGS.

YOU CAN GO TO ALL OF THEM. YEAH, JUST SHOW UP.

YEAH, WE JUST COPY PASTE.

ERIC. YOU'RE IN THERE. OKAY.

SHOWING THE SYSTEM. OKAY, SO.

SO CURRENTLY THAT'S.

ONE IS COUNCIL MEMBER, BYRD AND COUNCIL MEMBER.

WHAT'S CORRECT? AND MY QUESTION IS, ARE BOTH OF Y'ALL COMFORTABLE CONTINUING TO SERVE THERE? OKAY. YEAH, I'M GOOD.

IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD OBJECT TO THEM CARRYING OVER? OKAY, GREAT.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG. OKAY, NOW WE HAVE THE DENTON COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH LEADERSHIP TEAM.

YES. SO THAT IS YOU.

ME. BUT AND HERE'S HERE'S THE THING.

I JUST.

UH, COUNCILMEMBER MAYOR PRO TEM BECK.

IF YOU'RE. IF YOU'RE.

AMENABLE. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE YOU SERVE THERE.

I CAN STILL SIT IN THE MEETINGS.

THAT'S NO BIG DEAL. HAPPY TO HAVE YOU SIT THERE.

TAKE THAT SPOT.

IS THAT A REQUIRED MARILYN? NO, IT'S NOT. OKAY.

BUT THEN ALSO, AS LONG AS YOU'RE AMENABLE ALSO TO.

MAKING THE TRANSITION AT DCTA.

I'D LIKE TO GET PAT SMITH AS A PRIMARY.

I JUST I HAVE HEARTBURN ABOUT HIS EXPERTISE AND PUTTING PUTTING HIM IN THAT SPACE TO HELP FINE TUNE THAT ORGANIZATION.

SO ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? CAN WE'RE HAVING TWO CONVERSATIONS AT THE SAME TIME, AND I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO SPEND SOME MORE TIME ON THE DCTA ONE I'M COMFORTABLE BEING ON.

I'LL JUST ANSWER THIS.

WHAT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN? I'M COMFORTABLE VOLUNTEERING FOR THAT, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN SKIP THAT ONE AND GO GO TO THE NEXT ONE BECAUSE IT'S A PACKAGE DEAL FOR ME.

YES, SIR. SCREEN UP.

OKAY. SO THIS SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WITH THE HISTORY OF THIS LAST YEAR.

THIS USED TO BEHAVIORAL HEALTH LEADERSHIP TEAM USED TO ONLY BE ONE PERSON.

IT IS ALWAYS COUNCIL MEMBER.

MAGUIRE WAS VERY, VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS.

SO YOU ADDED ANOTHER SPOT? NO, WE DIDN'T ADD ANOTHER SPOT BY ORDINANCE.

IT'S ONE SPOT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE.

I THINK NOW WE MAY HAVE I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DOCUMENTED SHE WAS ALLOWED TO.

YEAH, RIGHT. YEAH.

OKAY. YEAH. SO NEXT, SKIP.

SKIP BEHAVIORAL HEALTH FOR A SECOND.

OKAY. DENTON COUNTY HEALTH, HOME COUNTY HOMELESS.

DIDN'T WE AGREE TO BEHAVIORAL? NO, BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU, IT'S A PACKAGE DEAL FOR ME I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT.

PAT SMITH SERVING DILIGENTLY AS AN ALTERNATE FOR HIS FOR THE PAST YEAR OR SO, TWO YEARS IN HIS EXPERIENCE SHIFTING TO THAT SEAT.

IF AND IF I'M HOPING WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THAT HIS EXPERIENCE RUNNING BILLION DOLLAR ORGANIZATIONS IN TRANSPORTATION AND HIS SERVICE ON THE SERVE DENTON AND SERVE LOCAL TO AREAS WE SERVE ADD VALUE TO OUR POSITION IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND FORTH ON DCTA, THEN I'M GOING TO HOLD FAST. ON DENTON COUNTY BEHAVIORAL LEADERSHIP.

I'M TRYING TO I'M TRYING TO GIVE AND TAKE JUST LIKE COUNT THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO.

BUT SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OTHERS.

DENTON COUNTY HOMELESS LEADERSHIP TEAM JESSE WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO THERE? IT'S CURRENTLY IT'S YOU AND A STAFF MEMBER, SOMEBODY FROM THE CMO.

THERE WAS NO INTEREST PROVIDED TO US.

PERFECT. WE'LL CARRY THAT OVER.

OKAY. DENTON COUNTY WORKFORCE SUCCESS LEADERSHIP TEAM.

YES, SIR. YEAH, JUST.

AND I'LL STAY ON.

PERFECT. CARRY THAT OVER.

ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO DCTA COMMENTS.

WE GOT THE EMAIL FROM ALISON THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE.

I MY UNDERSTANDING FROM PAT IS HE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE.

WE'RE CONTINUING ALMOST ALL THE THINGS I DON'T I DON'T HAVE.

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IN FACT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE IT BASED ON THE RELATIONSHIP THAT THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED OVER THE LAST YEAR TO JUST CONTINUE.

I, I DON'T DISAGREE.

I JUST BELIEVE.

COUNCIL MEMBER, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER MAGUIRE HAS HAD A TURN AT BEING THE LEAD COUNSEL.

AND THEN BUT PAT SMITH AGAIN HAS CONNECTIVITY, HAS AN ABILITY TO REFINE AND CONTINUE TO IMPROVE THAT ORGANIZATION AND THEY CAN CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER.

I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR WE'RE NOT REMOVING ANYONE.

WE'RE ALTERNATING SPOTS SO THAT EVERYONE HAS A TURN, NO DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF BOARDS AND COMMITTEES.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT'S HIS EXPERIENCE IN THE MILITARY IS WHAT WE NEED TO TO REFINE THAT, CONTINUE TO REFINE THAT ORGANIZATION BECAUSE HE SET UP BILLION DOLLAR TRANSPORTATION ORGANIZATIONS.

AND THEN IN ADDITION TO AGAIN, HE'S ACTIVE IN BOTH COMMUNITIES THAT DCTA SERVES.

AND I THINK HE ADDS A VALUABLE COMPONENT WHEN WHEN HE'S A VOTING MEMBER.

AND HE SAT IN ON THE LAST MEETING BECAUSE OF BUDGETING THINGS.

AND THEN LASTLY, I'LL SAY IN THAT SAME EMAIL YOU REFERENCED, ALISON MENTIONED SHE'S GOING TO LAW SCHOOL AND I COMMEND HER FOR THAT.

BUT I JUST THINK THAT'S IT'S IMPORTANT.

THAT'S FAIR. BUT PAT RUNS, SERVED DENTON AND SERVED LEWISVILLE.

SURE. AND HE SAID IN HIS EMAIL HE HAS CAPACITY TO SERVE, AND I CAN ONLY TAKE HIM AT HIS WORD.

I CAN'T DELVE TOO MUCH FURTHER.

WELL, THAT WOULD BE ALISON HER WORD TO SEND AN EMAIL.

YES. GOSH, JUST MAYBE TAKE A LITTLE PRESSURE OFF THE DECISION.

THOSE TERMS BOTH EXPIRE IN NOVEMBER.

I MEAN, IF WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES, IT WOULD COME UP AGAIN IN A FEW MONTHS.

IT'S NOT THAT LIKE ON THE PRECIPICE.

WELL, THEY'RE BRINGING BACK THE ORDINANCES TO SIGN TO SAY THEY TAKE EFFECT WHEN THEY WHEN THEY EXPIRE.

SO BUT IT'S JUST A CONVERSATION WE HAVE TO HAVE.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST SO WHETHER WE HAVE IT NOW OR HAVE IT IN NOVEMBER, WE NEED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

SO WE MIGHT AS WELL HAVE THE CONVERSATION TODAY WITH THE REST OF THEM.

THEY CAN PREPARE THE ORDINANCES.

WE CAN WE CAN BE DONE.

SO, YES, I THINK PAT SMITH'S AN EXCELLENT RESOURCE.

HE'S RIGHT HERE. HE'S GOT HE'S HE'S FORGOTTEN MORE ABOUT THIS THAN MOST PEOPLE WILL KNOW.

I'D LOVE TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE THAT HASN'T BEEN HEARD? I'VE SPOKE TOO MUCH.

WELL, I MEAN. YEAH, I, I MEAN, I GUESS I MISSED IN THE ALISON EMAIL.

SHE'S GOING TO LAW SCHOOL, SO. YEAH.

CONGRATULATIONS TO HER. THAT'S.

THAT'S FUN. UM, YEAH, I IF I HAD TO CHOOSE, IT'S NOT REALLY CHOOSING BETWEEN ONE WHO'S MORE COMPETENT THAN THE OTHER AT ALL.

I THINK SINCE WE'VE GOT AN ALTERNATE AND A PRIMARY, THE PRIMARY HAS BEEN THERE NOW FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.

AND SO I THINK TO GIVE PAT A CHANCE TO TO MOVE UP TO THAT SPOT AND JUST SWITCH THEM, I MEAN, COUNCILMEMBER BECKY, MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD AN INTEREST AND THAT'S ONLY IF ONE OF THOSE TWO DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SERVE.

IS THAT EXACTLY RIGHT? YES, SIR.

SO, I MEAN, THIS ISN'T THIS ISN'T LIKE SO SOLID FOR ME.

I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO BE DISAPPOINTED WITH WHATEVER DECISION IS.

BUT IF I HAD TO SAY, WHAT'S MY PREFERENCE, IT'D BE I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST GIVE PAT A SHOT BECAUSE OF HIS INVOLVEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY ANY AND BECAUSE OF JUST HIS EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE.

AND ALLISON'S BEEN THERE, SHE'D TAKE THE ALTERNATE.

IT'S LIKE GIVING SOMEONE ELSE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO AS FAR AS.

LEADERSHIP. SO IT'S SORT OF A WEIRD KIND OF CHOICE TO HAVE TO MAKE, BUT I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH SWITCHING THEM IN THAT REGARD.

MAYOR YEAH. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE IF I MAY ASK A QUESTION OF COUNCILMEMBER MELTZER OR YOU.

SO THE TERMS OFFICIALLY EXPIRE IN NOVEMBER.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY WILL OFFICIALLY TAKE EFFECT IN NOVEMBER, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY. THE DECISIONS MADE TODAY WILL COME BACK ON THE 15TH OR THE 18TH.

YES. SO WE'RE GIVING DIRECTION TODAY.

THEY'LL THEY'LL WRITE THAT IN THE ORDINANCE FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.

WILL VOTE AT THAT MEETING.

THE WORDING IN THOSE ORDINANCES WILL SAY TAKE EFFECT AT THE END OF THE TERM.

OKAY. SORRY, I DIDN'T I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

MY BAD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? WELL, I JUST MADE IT.

I MEAN, I'M FOR LEAVING THE STATUS QUO AS THE STATUS QUO.

OKAY. SO AM I.

OKAY. IT'S A VOTE WINNING THING.

WE NEED TO GIVE DIRECTION.

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YEAH, I'LL STICK WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO.

PLEASE. OKAY.

STICKING. AND BY THE WAY, PAT IS, I THINK, ONE OF THE MOST COMPETENT PEOPLE AT ANYTHING INDENTED.

SO THERE'S NO NO DISAGREEMENT ABOUT THAT.

OKAY. AND YOU CAN JUST BUBBLE ME IN FOR THE AT THE TOP THERE.

YOU'RE ON LEADERSHIP TEAM.

YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. TAKE THAT OFF MY LIST.

OKAY. IT SHOULD BE EVERYTHING.

THERE'S A COUPLE MORE.

OH, OKAY.

SO WE HAVE THE DALLAS REGIONAL MOBILITY COALITION CURRENTLY IS THE MAYOR, AND I BELIEVE IT MUST BE THE MAYOR.

SO DISCOVERY DENTON, WE'VE ALREADY DETERMINED IT'S GOING TO BE BYRD AND COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND.

OKAY. LAKE RAY ROBERTS, PNC COMMISSION MUST BE THE MAYOR.

NORTH TEXAS COMMISSION.

IT'S CURRENTLY THE MAYOR, AND HE CAN BE THE MAYOR PLUS THE PROXY.

BUT WE CAN MAINTAIN THE PROXY AS A CITY MANAGER OR AN APPOINTEE.

YES, DESIGNATE.

OKAY. REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL.

IT MUST BE. GO AHEAD.

IT'S CURRENTLY COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS AND COUNCIL.

THE MAYOR IS AN ALTERNATE.

COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS. THE ONLY ONE WHO SUBMITTED INTEREST IN THAT BOARD.

YES. AND HE CAN JUST CARRY OVER.

THAT'S WORTH WELL. AND THE NEW DENTON COMMUNITY SHELTER AND COUNCIL MEMBER, BYRD AND WATTS HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST SO WE CAN JUST CARRY THEM OVER AND FILL THOSE TWO SPACES.

IT'S TWO SPACES.

IS THAT WHAT THAT ONE IS? YES. THEY'VE REQUESTED TWO.

COOL. OKAY.

I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL THE APPOINTMENTS WE NEED TO MAKE TODAY.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

THAT CONCLUDES ITEM E TAKES US TO ITEM F ID TWO, THREE, 217.

[F. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on pending City Council requests for: (1) Request for staff to research and prepare an Informal Staff Report (ISR) on workforce development fees. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

RECEIVE PORTHOLE DISCUSSION.

GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON PENDING CITY COUNCIL REQUEST.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MONICA BENAVIDES, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

TODAY I'M HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE CITY COUNCIL PENDING REQUEST FOR INFORMATION ALSO KNOWN AS A TWO MINUTE PITCHES.

AS A REMINDER OF THE PROCESS, WE WILL WE WILL HEAR UP TO SEVEN REQUESTS PER MEETING.

ONE PER COUNCIL MEMBER.

I'LL INTRODUCE A REQUEST.

THE REQUESTER THAT INITIATED THE REQUEST WILL HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES TO DESCRIBE AND JUSTIFY THEIR REQUEST AND THEN REMAINING ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL THEN HAVE UP TO ONE MINUTE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND INDICATE THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE USE OF STAFF.

TIME AND STAFF WILL RESPOND TO ALL REQUESTS.

WERE A CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL IS ESTABLISHED.

AS A REMINDER, YOU CAN YOU CAN AND SHOULD ATTACH A PRIORITY HIGH, MODERATE OR LOW TO YOUR REQUEST.

WITH THAT, WE WILL JUMP INTO THE FIRST ONE.

THE FIRST ONE IS A THE FIRST AND ONLY ONE.

TONIGHT IS A REQUEST FOR STAFF TO RESEARCH AND PREPARE AN INFORMAL STAFF REPORT ON WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT FEES.

AND WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT OVER TO YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MELTZER, TO START.

YEAH. THANK YOU. ACTUALLY, IF YOU READ THAT, IT KIND OF SUMMARIZES IT.

AND THIS IS. YOU KNOW, PRETTY EARLY STAGE THINKING.

THAT'S WHY IT'S JUST AN INFORMATION, AN INFORMATION REQUEST.

THE THE INSIGHT IS THAT ALMOST HALF OF DENTON IS IN THE CATEGORY THAT UNITED WAY CALLS ALICE ASSET LIMITED, INCOME CONSTRAINED EMPLOYED. AND YOU'VE GOT IF YOU TALK TO PEOPLE WHO WORK IN WHO WANT TO FIND LADDERS OUT OF ALICE, PARTICULARLY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE, THEY SAY THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY FOR THEM TO GET INTO HIGHER PAYING JOBS.

WELL, THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE AT DENTON GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME, BUT.

YOU KNOW WHAT? HOW DO YOU CONNECT THE TWO? IF YOUR FAMILY IS ONLY MAKING $20,000 A YEAR, IF COMMUNITY COLLEGE, EVEN THOUGH CHEAP, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, $1,000, IT MIGHT AS WELL BE $1 MILLION.

AND MY INITIAL THOUGHT WAS, COULD WE USE SOME OF IMPACT FEES TO HELP LOW INCOME APPLICANTS FOR COMMUNITY COLLEGE PROGRAMS IN BUILDING TRADES? IT TURNS OUT YOU CAN ONLY USE IMPACT FEES FOR WHAT IMPACT FEES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR.

SO MY MY ASK IS TO SEE ARE THERE WHAT ARE THE OTHER WAYS KNOW? ARE THERE OTHER POLICY WAYS THAT WE COULD TRANSLATE THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY INTO OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOW INCOME FAMILIES IN THE NEXT GENERATION TO PARTICIPATE IN SOME OF THAT, SOME OF THAT PROSPERITY THAT'S HAPPENING BY BY GETTING THOSE THOSE SKILLS.

THAT'S IT. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE. COUNCILMAN.

BYRD. I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR US TO TRANSITION THESE YOUNG FOLKS INTO

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SOMETHING, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF STUDENTS OUT THERE.

THEY'RE JUST SO KIND OF MIXED UP WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS WHY NOT A ISD THAT'S PUSHING OUT THESE PEOPLE AT A GRADUATION HIGH GRADUATION RATE? WHY IS IT THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO TAKE ON THIS OPPORTUNITY? SO. THAT'S WHERE I AM.

THE ISD CAN HANDLE THIS.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN. MAYOR PRO TEM.

YEAH, I SUPPORT THIS.

WE'RE A WE'RE THREE COLLEGE UNIVERSITY OR WE'RE THREE UNIVERSITY COLLEGE TOWN.

AND, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR THESE WAYS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THOSE WHAT'S ESSENTIALLY HALF OF OUR POPULATION IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, A PATH FORWARD INTO A HIGHER PROSPECTING JOB SEEMS JUST IT MAKES SENSE.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE FUNDING MECHANISMS ARE AND I WOULD LOVE TO LEARN WHAT OUR OPPORTUNITIES COULD BE.

SO YEAH, I SUPPORT AN ESR.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN HOLLAND.

I. I DON'T.

I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ON THIS TO TO SUPPORT IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT KIND OF MONEY IS BEING ASKED.

I DO LIKE COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD'S IDEA WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT GETTING ON BOARD WITH THIS.

BUT BUT I THINK THIS IS A VERY, VERY BROAD THING WITHOUT ANY KIND OF PARAMETERS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN. MCGEE. UM, AND USING MY FULL.

MADAM CITY MANAGER, DOES THIS NEED MORE THAN TWO HOURS STAFF TIME? CAN THIS BE DONE IN UNDER TWO HOURS? STAFF TIME? NO.

OKAY. THAT'S WHY WE NEED YOU TO DO THIS.

BECAUSE. FAIR ENOUGH.

BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF RESEARCH TO THINK OF ANY OTHER OPTIONS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T USE IMPACT FEES.

BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH WHAT OTHER OPTIONS OF FUNDING COULD YOU USE OTHER I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE GRANTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE US SOME TIME TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD DO IT AND IF IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENT.

THOSE FUNDS.

OKAY. GO AHEAD, MR. MAYOR. I SEE THE IDEA.

I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

AS YOU KNOW, I'M VERY LEERY TO EVEN EVEN MENTION IMPACT FEES.

YES, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE, BUT.

TINKERING WITH THE FEES IS ONLY GOING TO CONTINUE TO GIVE DENTON A REPUTATION THAT WE ARE DIFFICULT TO DO BUSINESS IN.

THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME THAT OUR DEVELOPMENT FRIENDS KNOW THAT THIS CITY IS A PLACE WHERE WE CAN DO BUSINESS IN IF THEY WORK WITH US.

SO I'M GOING TO SAY, I'M GOING TO SAY YES AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT IMPACT FEES, AS LONG AS WE'RE FIGURING OUT OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THINGS THAT INVOLVE MOVING MONEY AROUND, BUT CERTAINLY NOT ADDING ANY MONEY TO WHAT FOLKS ALREADY PAY.

NOW, DID THAT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL? OKAY. SO I SAID YES WITH A WHOLE LOT OF EQUIVOCATIONS.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S. THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT OF THE IDEA.

I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH ORGANIZATIONS IN THIS COMMUNITY.

YOU CAN CERTAINLY GIVE SCHOLARSHIP MONEY TO MANY DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.

YOU CAN GIVE IT DIRECTLY TO THE SCHOOLS.

YOU CAN DO, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS.

SO I THINK IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GETTING AWAY FROM CORE SERVICES FURTHER AND FURTHER.

AND THIS IS A LOT OF STAFF TIME.

WE JUST SPENT EIGHT HOURS TALKING ABOUT STAFF TIME AND WE'RE UNDERSTAFFED.

SO I THINK THERE'S OTHER WAYS THAT THIS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, TO MONETIZE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE.

WE DO THAT, WE GET WE GET TAX INCOME.

SO IF WE REALLY WANT TO HELP THE ALICE FAMILIES, WE'VE GOT TO DO A BETTER JOB OF GETTING BETTER JOBS IN THIS COMMUNITY.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

WE HAVEN'T HAD GOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HERE FOR TWO OR 3 OR 4 YEARS.

SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THERE'S OTHER PLACES THAT CAN DO THIS.

THOSE PLACES CAN'T DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LIKE WE CAN.

SO I APPRECIATE I MEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT.

I AGREE. PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE THAT AVENUE.

I JUST DON'T THINK THE CITY IS THE THE BEST PLACE TO DO THAT AT THIS POINT.

OKAY. GOT IT.

I AGREE. IT'S A IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA.

I PITCHED SOMETHING SIMILAR WHEN WHEN IT WAS TO POLICE FUNDING TO HAVE TO SEQUESTER FUNDS FOR FOR SOMETHING SIMILAR LIKE FOR AN EXPRESS PURPOSE.

BUT FOR THAT, I'LL JUST SAY THIS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE AND CONTINUE TO PUT THE MESSAGE OUT THERE.

THERE ARE PEOPLE PAYING FOR COLLEGE.

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IF YOU WORK THERE IN ADVANCE, YOU DON'T GET REIMBURSEMENTS.

WAL MART AND TARGET PAY YOU IN ADVANCE.

SO AS YOU'RE WORKING, THEY'RE PAYING FOR YOUR SCHOOL.

NOTHING TO PAY BACK, NOTHING.

NO SCHOLARSHIPS NEEDED.

THEY'RE THEY'RE DESPERATE TO HAVE PEOPLE COME ON BOARD.

AND THEN ALSO THE CITY'S WORKING, I THINK WITH THE WORKFORCE OR SOMETHING FOR FOR CDL DRIVERS TO TO GET THAT OUT THERE.

WE'RE HAVING A FIREMAN'S PROGRAM.

SO THOSE TYPE PROGRAMS, I'D RATHER HAVE OUR MONEY GO TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO COME WORK FOR THE CITY OR INCREASE THEIR INCOME IN THE CITY BASED ON SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE COMPLETE KIND OF CONTROL OVER OR CAN BETTER MANAGE OUTCOMES.

SO. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORK SESSION, TAKES US INTO CLOSED SESSION.

[1. Closed Meeting:]

LET ME READ THAT.

THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW AT 5:52 P.M.

CONVENE IN CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE THE CLOSED MEETING.

ITEMS SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING ITEM A ID 231261 CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS ON TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071. ITEM B ID 231282.

CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071.

ITEM C ID 231291.

CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 AND ITEM D ID 231294.

DELIBERATIONS REGARDING CERTAIN PUBLIC POWER UTILITIES COMPETITIVE MATTERS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.086.

CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071.

AND SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE THE ROOM SET.

EVERYONE'S HERE. OKAY, GREAT.

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

AND WELCOME TO THIS.

WE'RE BACK TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

IT IS 653 AND WE'RE COMPLETED OUR WORK SESSION AND CLOSED SESSION ITEMS. TAKES US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

NOTHING WAS PULLED. I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

MAYOR PRO TEM.

I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN MELTZER I SECOND SECOND.

SO MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM BECK SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MELTZER DISCUSSION.

SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT PASSES 7 TO 0 TAKES US TO OUR.

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton amending Chapter 14, Article VIII of the Code of Ordinances (Non-Discrimination in Public Accommodations, Employment Practices, and Housing), to add a fair chance hiring provision to Section 14-203-5 setting hiring standards to limit employers’ consideration of the criminal history on an initial job application; providing severability; providing a savings clause; providing for publication and codification; providing for a penalty; and providing an effective date.]

ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

FIRST IS ITEM A ID TWO THREE.

ONE, TWO TWO, ONE.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON AMENDING CHAPTER 14, ARTICLE EIGHT OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES NONDISCRIMINATION IN PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS, EMPLOYEE EMPLOYMENT PRACTICES AND HOUSING TO ADD A FAIR CHANCE HIRING.

PROVISION TO SECTION 14203-5 SETTING HIRING STANDARDS TO LIMIT.

EMPLOYERS CONSIDERATION OF CRIMINAL HISTORY ON THE INITIAL JOB APPLICATION.

PROVIDING. PARDON ME? PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING A SAVINGS CLAUSE, PROVIDING A PUBLICATION AND CODIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU. MAYOR RYAN ADAMS, CHIEF OF STAFF.

WE HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THIS TOPIC.

LET'S GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR THE COUNCIL.

THIS WAS FIRST BROUGHT TO FOR FOR DISCUSSION ON AUGUST 2ND WITH THE TWO MINUTE POLICY PITCH BY COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE THAT WAS FOLLOWED BY TWO WORK SESSIONS, THE SECOND OF WHICH STAFF PRESENTED INFORMATION ON WHAT AN ORDINANCE WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND THAT RESULTED IN NO DIRECTION AT THE TIME TO PROCEED.

THERE WAS A SECOND TWO MINUTE PITCH BY COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO CONSIDER A DRAFT ORDINANCE AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

THAT WAS ON THE SIXTH.

SO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IS TODAY AND WE DO HAVE A DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, FAIR CHANCE HIRING ORDINANCES AND THE ISSUE OF FAIR CHANCE HIRING IS ALSO KNOWN AS BAN.

THE BOX GENERALLY IS A POLICY OR PRACTICE OF NOT CONSIDERING CRIMINAL HISTORY FOR A JOB APPLICANT ON AN APPLICATION, NOT CONSIDERING IT THERE OR ANY TIME BEFORE A POINT LATER IN THE PROCESS.

AND THAT'S THAT'S NOT DETERMINED BY ANY LAW OR PRACTICE.

IT'S JUST CONSIDERING IT LATER, TOWARD THE END OF A OF AN APPLICATION PROCESS.

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WHAT IT DOES NOT DO IS IT DOES NOT LIMIT THE AUTHORITY TO WITHDRAW AN APPLICATION OR AND DRAW AN EMPLOYMENT OFFER FOR A LAWFUL REASON.

WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH THAT WE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.

37 STATES IN OVER 150 CITIES AND COUNTIES HAVE ENACTED FAIR CHANCE LAWS FOR THEMSELVES AS PUBLIC EMPLOYERS.

BUT ONLY 15 STATES AND 22 CITIES EXTEND THOSE PROVISIONS TO PRIVATE EMPLOYERS.

A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON TEXAS SPECIFIC CITIES AND AND PUBLIC ENTITIES.

SO THERE ARE FOUR THAT HAVE PASSED A LAW AN ORDINANCE FOR FAIR CHANCE HIRING THAT APPLIES JUST TO THAT ENTITY.

THAT'S DALLAS COUNTY, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, TRAVIS COUNTY AND HARRIS COUNTY.

THEY'RE THE MOST RECENT 1 IN 2022.

AND THEN THERE ARE TWO CITIES THAT HAVE ADOPTED A FAIR CHANCE HIRING ORDINANCE AND APPLIED THOSE TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN OR PARDON ME, TO PRIVATE SECTOR BUSINESSES.

THAT'S THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND THE CITY OF DE SOTO.

A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON RELEVANT STATE AND FEDERAL LAW.

SO TITLE SEVEN OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT STATES THAT EMPLOYERS CAN REQUEST CRIMINAL HISTORY INFORMATION AT ANY STAGE IN THE HIRING PROCESS, BUT THAT THEY SHOULD BE CAREFUL SO THAT THERE'S NOT AN ADVERSE IMPACT AGAINST A PARTICULAR PROTECTED CLASS OF APPLICANTS TO AVOID CLAIMS OF DISCRIMINATION.

EMPLOYERS GENERALLY CONDUCT AN INDIVIDUALIZED ASSESSMENT OF A CANDIDATE'S CANDIDATE'S CRIMINAL RECORD.

SO IF THERE IS A CRIMINAL RECORD, YOU LOOK AT THAT SPECIFIC RECORD AND MAKE A DETERMINATION BASED OFF THAT SPECIFIC THE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES RELATED TO THAT RECORD.

SOME FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS REQUIRE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS BE PERFORMED FOR SOME POSITIONS AS EXAMPLES.

WE'VE SHOWN PEACE OFFICERS, CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION SYSTEMS, CERTIFICATIONS, JOBS THAT REQUIRE THAT CERTAIN INSURANCE JOBS, CHILDCARE, JOBS, ENERGY, JOBS AND THE LIST GOES ON. THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT WITHIN THE STATUTE, WITHIN LAWS AS TO WHEN THIS SHOULD BE PERFORMED, THOUGH.

IN ADDITION, NO FEDERAL OR STATE OF TEXAS LAW PROHIBIT INQUIRING ABOUT AN APPLICANT'S CRIMINAL HISTORY PRIOR TO A CONDITIONAL EMPLOYMENT PRIOR TO A CONDITIONAL EMPLOYMENT OFFER.

I WILL NOTE THAT THE EEOC, THE EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY COMMISSION, STATES THAT AN EMPLOYER THAT REJECTS EVERYONE WITH A CONVICTION FROM AN EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY IS LIKELY ENGAGING IN DISCRIMINATION AND AN EMPLOYMENT POLICY THAT REJECTS MANY MORE APPLICANTS OF ONE RACE.

NATIONAL ORIGIN OR SEX IS DISCRIMINATORY.

IF IT'S NOT CLOSELY RELATED TO THE JOB.

SO THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD FOR YOU IS ACTUALLY AN AMENDMENT TO OUR EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE NONDISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE.

SO THE ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT PROVISIONS OF THE ENDO WOULD APPLY.

AND AT THIS TIME, AS PART OF THE ENDO, ALL COMPLAINTS OF DISCRIMINATION RELATED TO EMPLOYMENT ARE REFERRED TO THEIR RESPECTIVE FEDERAL ESTATE AGENCY.

IN THIS CASE, IF IT'S RELATED TO DISCRIMINATION AND EMPLOYMENT, IT WOULD BE THE EEOC OR THE TEXAS WORKFORCE COMMISSION.

AND WHAT THE ORDINANCE DOES AND YOU'VE RECEIVED A COPY IS IT RESTRICTS CERTAIN ACTIONS WHERE THEY RESULT IN DISCRIMINATION.

AND AMONG THOSE RESTRICTIONS, EMPLOYERS CANNOT SOLICIT, INQUIRE ABOUT OR CONSIDER CRIMINAL HISTORY INFORMATION ON A JOB APPLICATION OR PRIOR TO A CONDITIONAL EMPLOYMENT OFFER IF THAT ACTION RESULTS IN DISCRIMINATION.

ADDITIONALLY, THEY CANNOT TAKE ADVERSE ACTION AGAINST AN INDIVIDUAL DUE TO THE CRIMINAL HISTORY, EXCEPT FOR AN INDIVIDUALIZED ASSESSMENT IS PERFORMED AND THE EMPLOYERS MUST NOTIFY THAT INDIVIDUAL IF THE ADVERSE ACTION WAS BASED ON A CRIMINAL HISTORY.

SO BECAUSE THIS IS PART OF THE NONDISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE, THERE ARE SOME EXCLUSIONS THAT APPLY THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING IN THE NON IN THE IN THE NONDISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE.

SO THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO OR THIS DOES APPLY TO ONLY EMPLOYERS WITH 15 OR MORE EMPLOYEES.

SO IF IT'S A SMALLER ORGANIZATION, THE INDIO DOES NOT APPLY TO TO THAT ORGANIZATION.

IT EXCLUDES RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IT'S DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES, THE STATE OF TEXAS OR ITS DEPARTMENTS, AGENCIES AND POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS.

AND I'LL NOTE HERE THAT THE CITY OF DENTON ALREADY FOLLOWS A FAIR CHANCE HIRING PRACTICE, AND WE ARE WORKING TO FORMALIZE THAT INTO A POLICY.

SO ADDITIONALLY, THIS WOULD NOT APPLY TO ANY POSITION FOR WHICH AN INDIVIDUAL MAY BE DISQUALIFIED DUE TO A STATE OR FEDERAL OR EVEN A LOCAL LAW.

SO AGAIN, THOSE SAME JOB CLASSIFICATIONS I MENTIONED EARLIER, PEACE OFFICERS, CERTAIN INSURANCE POSITIONS, CHILD CARE, AND IT WILL NOT LIMIT THE AUTHORITY OF AN EMPLOYER TO MAKE A HIRING DECISION FOR ANY LAWFUL REASON SO THEY CAN WITHDRAW A CONDITIONAL OFFER OF EMPLOYMENT IF A CANDIDATE IS FOUND UNSUITABLE TO A JOB BASED ON THAT INDIVIDUALIZED ASSESSMENT OF CRIMINAL HISTORY.

SO SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE COUNCIL.

WHILE MOST OF THIS WILL BE GOING TO BEING REFERRED TO THE EEOC, IF IT RESULTS IN DISCRIMINATION OR COULD RESULT IN DISCRIMINATION, THE VOLUME OF COMPLAINTS BASED ON THIS ORDINANCE ARE UNCERTAIN.

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IT MAY HAVE IMPACTS TO BUSINESSES, MAY INCUR LEGAL COSTS TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE IF PARTICULARLY IF THEY WANT TO MODIFY ANY OF THEIR PROCESSES OR APPLICATION DOCUMENTS.

IT COULD RESULT IN SOME CONFUSION, CONFLICT AND POTENTIAL ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGES WHEN THOSE APPLICATION PROCESSES OR HIRING PROCESSES ARE MANAGED OUTSIDE THE CITY.

AND THIS IS WHY, AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE, WE'VE INCLUDED A DELAY OF 120 DAYS BEFORE IT TAKES EFFECT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC IS PROPERLY INFORMED.

THAT WILL GIVE US SOME TIME FOR SOME PUBLIC EDUCATION.

WE HAVE NOT PERFORMED AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON THIS TOPIC, ASIDE FROM A SMALL MEETING ORGANIZED BY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

WE HAD PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED THE COUNCIL A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PERIOD THAT WOULD INCLUDE OUR ENGAGEMENT PLATFORM, DISCUSS DENTON, SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS, SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS TO BE ABLE TO SOUND THIS OUT WITH THOSE THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY IT.

SO WE'RE SEEKING DIRECTION.

AND REALLY THIS IS PUT UP FOR A VOTE TODAY, BUT IT WOULD BE TO APPROVE ADDING THE FAIR CHANCE HIRING REGULATIONS TO THE EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE NONDISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE.

COUNCIL COULD POSTPONE PENDING FURTHER PUBLIC INPUT OR FURTHER DISCUSSION OR PROVIDE SOME ALTERNATIVE DIRECTION.

AND STAFF IS HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN MCGEE, YOU PUT THIS FORWARD, YOU HAD.

SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO PLAY.

YOU WANTED TO DO THAT BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT OR AFTER.

GOT IT. THEN I HAVE VANESSA.

VANESSA. STERLING THAT REQUESTED TO SPEAK.

I DO BELIEVE ON THIS ITEM.

IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE.

THREE MINUTES, RIGHT? HELLO AND GREETINGS FROM THE CITY OF DE SOTO.

MY NAME IS VANESSA STERLING AND I CURRENTLY SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE DE SOTO AREA CHAMBER.

AND AS HE DID A GREAT JOB ON THAT PRESENTATION, THE CITY OF DE SOTO IS ALREADY DOING BAN THE BOX.

SO IT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL IN 2021 WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS.

AND THE STEPS THAT WE HAD TO TAKE WERE TO THEY HAD THEIR WORK SESSION.

THEN WE AS A CHAMBER DID A WEBINAR, WE HAD TOWN MEETINGS, WE SENT OUT SURVEYS TO THE BUSINESSES, WE PUT ON THE WEBSITE, SOCIAL MEDIA, AND THEN DID HOMEOWNER, HOMEOWNER AND BUSINESS SURVEYS.

IT WAS A HOT BUTTON.

I WILL I WILL SAY THAT YOU HAD BUSINESSES THAT HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

SOME OF THEM WERE, WHY ARE WE WHY ARE WE HAVING TO DO THIS? WHY ARE WHY IS SOMEONE TELLING US HOW TO DO OUR HIRING PRACTICES? WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR CERTAIN SECTORS? AND JUST KIND OF HAVING TO INFORM THEM OF WHY THIS WAS HAPPENING.

THIS HAS BEEN A TALK FOR A LONG TIME AS HAWAII WAS THE FIRST 1 IN 1998.

THIS TOPIC ABOUT BAN THE BOX HAS BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE A QUITE A QUITE A BIT.

AND A LOT OF IT IS WHAT HE SAID WAS ABOUT DISCRIMINATORY, EXCLUDING A CERTAIN SECTOR AND IT'S MOSTLY THOSE THAT HAVE A CRIMINAL HISTORY.

WE WANTED TO DO INCLUSIVITY AND SO WE HAD TO WE HAD TO LOOK AT THAT.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO FOR THIS SECTOR THAT IS HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING JOBS? AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'S A HIGH RE ENTRY BACK INTO THE PRISON SYSTEM.

WHEN YOU CAN'T FIND SOMETHING IN YOUR BACK IS AGAINST THE WALL.

SO WE WERE TELLING OUR BUSINESSES, WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU TO PRECLUDE THAT FROM YOUR FROM YOUR HIRING PRACTICES.

WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU THAT IF SOMEBODY IF YOU'RE A TRANSPORTATION AND SOMEBODY HAS A LOT OF DUIS, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO HIRE THAT THAT DOESN'T MAKE BUSINESS SENSE.

WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE, GIVE THEM GRACE, ASK QUESTIONS, GIVE THEM A TEMPORARY.

OKAY, WE'LL DO THIS.

BUT PLEASE NOTE THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THE BACKGROUND CHECK AND EVERYTHING SO THEY CAN GET PAST THE INITIAL.

BEFORE I WAS IN THIS ROLE, I MY DEGREE IS IN HUMAN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT.

I DID HIRING AND I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHEN THE APPLICATION CAME ACROSS MY DESK AND THAT BOX WAS CHECKED, I JUST PUT IT TO THE SIDE AND I'M LIKE, I'M GOING TO BE A BETTER APPLICANT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE APPLICANT THAT I GOT THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE BOX CHECKED WAS A BETTER APPLICANT.

THEY JUST HAD A BETTER CHANCE BECAUSE I DIDN'T AUTOMATICALLY DISCRIMINATE AGAINST WHAT I SAW BASED ON A BOX BEING CHECKED THAT YOU HAD TO DO SOMETHING SO YOU WEREN'T QUALIFIED ENOUGH TO WORK FOR ME.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM.

JUST GET THEM PAST THE INITIAL, TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION, TO GIVE THEM A FAIR CHANCE SO YOU CAN LOOK AND SEE WHAT THEY DID DO BECAUSE THEY MIGHT COULD WORK FROM YOU.

AND BECAUSE WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH THE WORKFORCE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO JUST BEND A LITTLE AND JUST GIVE THEM THAT AREA AND GIVE THEM THAT SPACE AND GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY. OKAY.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION, THOUGH, AND JUST BECAUSE I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO MENTION IT AND I DON'T WANT TO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M ACCURATE IN THAT YOU HAD TOWN HALL MEETINGS BEFORE

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OR AFTER YOU PASSED IT.

YOU THE COMMUNITY BEFORE YOU DID EVERYTHING BEFORE WE WHEN IT CAME WE DID EVERYTHING IN THE PREVIOUS MONTHS, LIKE FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL.

WE HAD ALL OF THOSE THINGS BEFORE WE IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T IMPLEMENT IT UNTIL JANUARY OF 2022.

SO WE SPENT 2021 KIND OF HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

AND WHAT WE DID ASK BUSINESSES ONCE IT WAS PASSED TO PUT A STICKER IN THEIR DOOR.

SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR JOBS, THEY KNOW THAT, HEY, I AM PARTICIPATING IN A FAIR CHANCE HIRING.

SO WHEN THEY CAME THROUGH THE DOOR, THEY KNEW, OKAY, AT LEAST I MIGHT GET TO MIGHT GET TO STEP TWO.

AND THEN WE DO SECOND CHANCE HIRING JOB FAIRS AND WE BRING BUSINESSES INTO SOTO TO HELP ALSO WITH FOLKS THAT ARE HAVING ISSUES WITH BECAUSE OF CRIMINAL HISTORY. PERFECT.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO SO ESSENTIALLY, IN SOME WAYS, DE SOTO IS DOING DID A PILOT FOR THE METROPLEX.

WHAT IF YOU DON'T MIND MY ASKING, WHAT WERE THE RESULTS? WERE YOU ABLE TO INCREASE HIRING AND AND FILL MORE SLOTS IN THESE TIMES WHEN THE LABOR FORCE IS UNDER PRESSURE FOR A LOT OF THEM, YES.

AND MOST OF THOSE BUSINESSES COME FROM RESTAURANT AND WAREHOUSE, LIKE THE AMAZONS, THE FEDEX.

A LOT OF THEM DO SECOND CHANCE AND FAIR, FAIR HIRING.

SO WHEN IT CAME TO THOSE WHICH WE DO HAVE A LOT OF WAREHOUSES IN DESOTO AND IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND A LOT OF THEM NEEDED THOSE JOBS TO BE FILLED.

SO WHEN IT CAME TO DOING THIS AND BEING OPEN FOR FAIR CHANCE HIRING, ESPECIALLY WITH RESTAURANTS, BECAUSE WE WERE REALLY SUFFERING WITH THOSE AND THEY COULDN'T EVEN OPEN UP.

AND WE'RE JUST OPERATING THROUGH DRIVE THRUS AT THIS POINT.

IT DID HELP.

WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING NEGATIVE.

WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYBODY THAT HAD TO PAY A FINE.

WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYBODY SAYING, HEY, I WENT INTO THIS BUSINESS AND THEY DIDN'T OFFER FAIR HIRING TO ME OR ANYTHING.

WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING NEGATIVE.

AND AS YOU KNOW, NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS.

SO, SO FAR, EVERYTHING IS WORKING.

WE KEEP THESE JOB FAIRS GOING.

WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE COMING UP AT THE END OF JULY.

WE WORK THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY CHURCH THAT DOES IT.

AND SO FAR IT'S WORKING.

SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP GOING WITH IT.

SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

I HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.

COUNCILMEMBER, WHAT'S.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN.

A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. YOU SAID THAT THERE'S A STICKER THAT PEOPLE, BUSINESSES CAN PLACE IN THEIR WINDOW.

SO WAS THIS PROVISION IN DESOTO MANDATORY FOR ALL BUSINESSES TO TAKE THAT OFF OF THE APPLICATION? YES, EVEN EVEN ONLY THE ONES.

SO, LIKE HE SAID, IF YOU HAD 15 OR MORE FEDERAL STATE GOVERNMENT, SOME THAT DIDN'T APPLY TO YOU AND IT WAS IT'S NOT MANDATORY FOR YOU TO DO THE STICKER. WE JUST ASK THEM IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE A FAIR CHANCE HIGHER.

WOULD YOU MIND PUTTING A STICKER IN YOUR WINDOW SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE LOOK FOR JOBS, THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS A FAIR CHANCE HIRING AND THAT IT WOULD GO GOOD FOR YOU, YOU WOULD GET PASSED. BUT WE IMMEDIATELY TOOK THE BOX OFF AND THAT WAS FOR THE CITY OF DESOTO AND ANY OF THE BUSINESSES.

THEY HAD TO COME. IT HAD TO COME OFF.

SO. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. AND THEN A COUPLE MORE KEEPS GROWING.

COUNCILMAN MELTZER.

YEAH. FIRST, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TO VISIT WITH US AND SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCE.

IT'S REALLY INVALUABLE.

I'M CURIOUS WHAT THE NATURE OF THE NATURE AND PURPOSE OF THE PUBLIC INPUT WAS.

WAS IT FIRST OF ALL, WAS IT AFTER IT WAS PASSED, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO PASSING IT AS A SORT OF A PREPARATION, OR WAS IT BUILD UP TO PASSING THE THE ORDINANCE? AND THEN WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC INPUT WAS? WHAT WAS THE EFFECT OF THE PUBLIC INPUT? TIME FIRST OF ALL, THE BUSINESSES APPRECIATED US HAVING A CONVERSATION BEFORE WE ACTUALLY PASSED IT, SO WE DID ALL THE WORK BEFOREHAND.

WE HAD ALL THE CONVERSATIONS BEFOREHAND.

WE LIKE WITH ALL THE TOWN MEETINGS AND THEN US, THE CHAMBER GETTING EVERYBODY TOGETHER AND DOING THE SURVEYS.

WE DID AS MUCH LEGWORK BUT AS MUCH INFORMATION OUT.

WE SENT IT OUT TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS WAS COMING AND TO PLEASE COME HAVE A CONVERSATION SO WE WOULD KNOW WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE AND TO BE INFORMED. AND JUST KNOW THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM THOUGHT, OKAY, I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS OFF AND NOW I GOT TO HIRE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE SAYING.

SO THEM COMING TO BE INFORMED AND BEING PART OF THE CONVERSATION, THAT DID HELP THE PROCESS.

AND SO WHEN IT CAME TO THEM DECIDING TO PASS IT, AT LEAST THEY WERE INFORMED WELL ENOUGH, ENOUGH TIME BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS THE BEGINNING OF 2021.

IT WAS ALMOST A YEAR LATER BEFORE WE IMPLEMENTED IT.

MAYOR MASKA, A SECOND QUESTION OR THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'M ALSO CURIOUS TO KNOW IF, ALONG WITH THE SPECIFIC EFFORT, YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION AND AND ALL THAT, WERE THERE ANY OTHER ACTIONS THAT YOUR COMMUNITY TOOK TO IMPROVE THE EMPLOYABILITY OF THE TARGETED POPULATION?

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AND WE BASICALLY JUST THE STEPS THAT WE TOOK IS IS WHAT WE DID.

AND WE STILL KEPT UP WITH CONVERSATION.

AND IT'S AN OPEN DOOR POLICY.

SO ANY TIME THERE WAS A CONCERN SINCE THE CHAMBER HOLDS THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BUSINESSES, IF WE GOT ANYTHING WHICH THANK GOD I HAVE NOT, IF WE HAD GOTTEN ANYTHING, THEN WE WERE THE LIAISON FOR THE CITY AND THE BUSINESSES TO COME BACK AND SAID, HEY, THIS IS A CONCERN FROM THIS SECTOR OR THIS BUSINESS, THIS AND THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO CIRCLE BACK TO.

BUT ONCE IT WAS PASSED, IT WAS PASSED.

AND SO FAR WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY BLOWBACK.

SO THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN GOOD FOR US.

AND HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE? IT'S BEEN A LITTLE OVER A YEAR NOW BECAUSE IT WAS JANUARY 20TH, 22 WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED THIS.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

AND THEN COUNCILMAN HOLLAND.

A LOT OF BUTTONS HERE. GOOD EVENING.

TELL USING THE DECAL AND I REALIZE THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT PART AND PARCEL OF THIS BUT IF AN EMPLOYER WERE TO WERE TO PLACE THE DECAL ON THEIR ON THEIR FRONT DOOR.

THAT WOULD CONVEY TO THE APPLICANT THAT THERE ARE A FAIR.

A FAIR CHANCE HIGHER.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHY WOULD THAT WHY IS THE ORDINANCE EVEN NECESSARY? BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE, WE STILL WANTED TO WE STILL WANTED TO GIVE THEM JUST SOMETHING ELSE, JUST TO ASSURE THEM THAT WE ARE TAKING IT SERIOUSLY. SO IT WAS JUST IT WAS JUST AN ADDED, JUST KIND OF ADDED THING SAYING, HEY, THIS DID PASS.

WE DO HAVE NEW BUSINESSES THAT COME IN, NEW FOLKS THAT COME IN THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE ORIGINAL CONVERSATION.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT MOVE IN AND OUT OF DESOTO, SO JUST HAVING THAT IN THERE SAYING FAIR CHANCE HIRING IS JUST TO KEEP INFORMED AS BUSINESSES CHANGE AND PEOPLE CHANGE.

SO IT WAS MORE SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNEW WE TOOK THIS SERIOUSLY.

THIS IS A DECAL THAT WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WE DID PASS THIS AND THIS IS IMPORTANT TO US FOR INCLUSIVITY.

THANK YOU. AND I UNDERSTAND, MR. ADAMS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT THAT THE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WAS POLLED ON THIS OR YOU ASKED FOR A RESPONSE FROM THEM.

SO THIS WAS BACK IN THE FALL OF 2022.

WE MET WITH THEIR IT WASN'T THE FULL CHAMBER MEMBERSHIP.

WE MET WITH THEIR GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE, GOVERNMENT RELATIONS COMMITTEE, WHICH IS A SUBSET OF THE MEMBERSHIP.

AND THAT WAS A VERY INFORMAL SESSION FOR INFORMAL FEEDBACK, AND THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF OUR INVOLVEMENT AND ENGAGEMENT WITH THEM.

BUT YOU MUST HAVE GOTTEN SOME RESPONSE.

WE DID, YES, WE DID.

IN TERMS OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT, YEAH, THERE WERE CONCERNS.

THOSE HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED TO THE COUNCIL AND OTHER PRESENTATIONS.

THEY REVOLVED GENERALLY AROUND.

LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THAT IN A SLIDE.

I MAY. YOU SEE IF I CAN PULL THIS UP REAL QUICK.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED.

SO WE DID REACH OUT TO THE BUSINESSES AND THEIR FEEDBACK FOCUSED ON IF THIS WAS A SOLUTION WITHOUT A PROBLEM.

THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF RESTARTING A HIRING PROCESS.

IF YOU GET ALL THE WAY TO THE END, YOU WORK WITH A CRIMINAL HISTORY.

FIND OUT THAT YOU CAN'T FOR A LEGAL REASON, HIRE THAT PERSON, YOU RESTART IT.

AND IF THERE WERE BETTER WAYS TO PROMOTE SECOND CHANCE HIRING THAT DID NOT INVOLVE AN ORDINANCE AND THEN THEY STATED AND THAT PUBLIC EDUCATION WOULD BE A CHALLENGE.

OKAY. YEAH. ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

YES, SIR. THIS LATEST VERSION HAS BEEN ACTIVE FOR THREE DAYS, AND SO NO ONE'S SEEN THAT.

WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON THE CURRENT VERSION.

SO WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS THE OTHER VERSION JUSTIFICATION.

THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL VERSION.

YES, SIR. YEAH. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? THE. THE.

I'M SORRY. ORGANIZATION IS THE KEY.

VANESSA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.

MCGEE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MISS STERLING, THERE ARE SOME THERE ARE SOME DENTON BUSINESSES THAT ARE THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.

TELL ME WHAT YOU SAID TO DESOTO BUSINESSES TO ASSUAGE THEIR FEARS AND CONCERNS WHEN THIS IS IMPLEMENTED IN DESOTO LAST YEAR.

ALL BUSINESSES SHOULD HAVE FAIR HIRING PRACTICES ANYWAY AND JUST TO ASSURE THEM THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PRECLUDE YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE AWAY THE HISTORY. WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO DO THAT.

WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU TO GET BACK THE INITIAL INTERVIEW PROCESS BECAUSE MAJORITY OF THEM DON'T.

I MEAN, 1 IN 3 PEOPLE HAVE IN THE WORLD HAS A CRIMINAL HISTORY.

IT'S 1 IN 3.

SO THAT'S A LOT OF APPLICANTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO EXCLUDE JUST BY THEM DOING THE BOX.

AND THEN SOME OF THEM WAS WELL OVER FIVE YEARS.

BUT BECAUSE THE BOX WAS CHECKED, IT WAS ALMOST LIKE THEY DID IT YESTERDAY.

AND SO HOW DO WE HOW DO WE HELP TEXAS WORKFORCE AND THOSE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE TRYING TO GET THESE FOLKS HIRED?

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WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT? AND BECAUSE WE NEED PEOPLE, THAT'S A BIG PORTION OF OUR WORKFORCE THAT WE WOULD ELIMINATE BY NOT BEING OPEN.

SO WE JUST ASK THEM JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE GRACE AND A CHANCE.

YOU CANNOT HIRE THEM.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUST GET THEM PAST THE INITIAL, SEE WHAT IT IS AND MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION BASED ON WHAT YOU SEE, NOT BECAUSE OF A CHECK BOX. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE. NOPE.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND HIT THE BUTTON IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

EARLY AND OFTEN. THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF.

I HAVE A FEEL FOR IT. COUNCILMAN.

BYRD. I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION BECAUSE NOW WE'RE FINDING JUST.

EVERYBODY'S AFFECTED BY SOMETHING OF THIS SORT.

IT CAN BE FROM MENTAL HEALTH CONDITION THAT LANDED THEM IN A SPECIFIC PLACE.

I DO BELIEVE IN GRACE.

I I'M INTERESTED IN THIS BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT COULD WORK.

I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A FURTHER QUESTION, BUT I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT WE AS A CITY, WE TALK ABOUT INCLUSIVITY.

THAT'S PART OF OUR MANTRA IS INCLUSION.

AND I WOULD HATE FOR US AS A CITY TO NOT INCLUDE THIS PARTICULAR GROUP.

SO IF I KNOW THAT I RUN A DAYCARE, I'M NOT GOING TO HIRE SOMEONE THAT IS CONFESSED THAT THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PEDOPHILES OR SOMETHING.

BUT I DO REMEMBER AT SOME POINT ALONG THE WAY WHEN POLICE OFFICERS, PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO BE POLICE OFFICERS, WERE KIND OF SHUNNED BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE TATTOOS ON THEM.

I REMEMBER TEACHERS WERE KIND OF SHUNNED THAT THEY WOULD THEY COULDN'T GET THESE JOBS BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY LOOKED LIKE AND THINGS ON THEM.

SO THINGS ARE RELAXING, YOU KNOW, IN THAT LIGHT.

AND I THINK THAT WE'RE MORE OF A CASUAL SOCIETY, BUT THAT MEANING THAT THIS SHOULD ALSO BE A PART OF OUR CONVERSATION AS A WHOLE, AS A SOCIETY. SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

AND I REALLY DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLARIFYING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULD WE COULD DO.

GREAT. YES, I DID WANT TO ADD ONE THING, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

CERTAINLY, BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN HIS SLIDE WHEN THE OTHER THING THAT WAS THAT CAN HAPPEN IS THAT YOU HAVE FOLKS THAT DON'T CHECK THE BOX AT ALL AND THEN THAT FORCES THEM TO LIE AND THEN THEY DO THE BACKGROUND CHECK AND NOW THEY'RE OUT BECAUSE THEY LIED.

SO NOW IT'S A DOUBLE WHAMMY WHETHER THEY CHECK THE BOX OR NOT CHECK THE BOX.

SO I DID WANT TO I DID WANT TO ADD TO THAT, TOO, BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.

THEY WILL NOT CHECK THE BOX JUST TO GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

BUT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO LIE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT GOES AGAINST THEM AS WELL.

RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

AND LIAM, THAT'S OUR LAST SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM.

IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

HELLO. HELLO.

MY NAME IS LIAM.

I'M OFF OF PONDER AVENUE.

I'VE JUST COME UP HERE AND WANTED TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE THE ADDITION TO THE NONDISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALLOW PEOPLE LIKE TO REINTEGRATE TO SOCIETY.

HOW CAN WE EXPECT PEOPLE TO CHANGE THEIR LIFE IF WE THROW UP BARRIERS AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY THEY HAVE TO CHANGE? NOW, ON THE PROCESS WISE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I STAND ON THAT.

SO THINKING ABOUT THAT, I JUST WANT THIS TO HAVE THE BEST CHANCE OF SUCCEEDING FOR THE CITY OF DENTON, BECAUSE EVERYBODY EVERYBODY STANDS TO BENEFIT FROM THIS. AND I CAN SEE THE REST OF MY TIME.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? LET ME MAKE SURE I DON'T HAVE ANY.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER YES, I'D LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE TO TO TAKE EFFECT JANUARY 2ND, 2024.

TO BE FOLLOWED OR TO BE PRECEDED BY A PERIOD OF PUBLIC INFORMATION.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN.

BYRD SECOND.

OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION FOR IT TO BE APPROVED AND TAKE EFFECT IN 2024.

PROVIDED FOR.

PRECEDED BY.

I'LL DEFER TO HIS.

YEAH. WELL, LET ME I'M GOING TO.

I'M GOING TO SPEAK, AND THEN I'LL RECOGNIZE EVERYONE.

WE WERE IN A RETREAT.

THAT'S POSTED ONLINE THIS WEEKEND.

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THE FACILITATOR CHALLENGES US TO THINK.

BEYOND THIS SEAT, BEYOND WHO FITS IN THIS SEAT, BEYOND THE PROCESS WE'RE IN TODAY.

I ACCEPTED THAT CHALLENGE AND BEGAN TO MY PROCESS OF KIND OF TRYING TO SEE THINGS DIFFERENT.

AND SO IT'S WITH THAT SCOPE.

I WANT TO I WANT TO.

UH, MAKE MY STATEMENTS.

WHY? I DON'T SUPPORT THIS.

I SUPPORT WHAT THIS DOES.

I SUPPORT THE REWRITE THAT STAFF PUT TOGETHER.

I REPORT I SUPPORT WHAT IT'S TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

I SUPPORT THE CHALLENGES IT TRIES TO ADDRESS.

WHAT I DON'T SUPPORT IS THE.

HEY, COME TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT WE PASSED.

THAT'S A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT TO SET.

AND NO MATTER THE TOPIC, IT'S NOT GOOD TO SAY PUBLIC.

COME TALK TO US AFTER WE PASS IT AND WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES.

WE'VE ALL I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

I SPECIFICALLY I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF.

I'VE STOOD AT THAT PODIUM AND SPOKE TO THIS DAIS AND FELT UNHEARD.

THERE'S NOTHING MORE THAN THAT.

SENDS A MESSAGE OF UNHEARD IS TO SAY, COME TALK TO US ABOUT SOMETHING WE'VE ALREADY PASSED.

SO I WOULD WISH THAT THIS BODY WOULD BE MINDFUL OF THAT.

MINDFUL OF THAT THERE'S BEEN ZERO NOT WE HAD TWO WORK SESSIONS.

PUBLIC CAN'T SPEAK ON WORK SESSIONS.

WE'VE HAD A MEETING WITH THE CHAMBER THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE NEWEST VERSION.

WE'VE HAD ZERO WORK SESSIONS ON THIS NEW REWRITE.

SO IT IS CLOSE TO ZERO COMMENT AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD TO RATIFY IT.

I THINK THAT'S I JUST CAN'T PERSONALLY SUPPORT THAT.

I CAN SUPPORT HAVING THE BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, HAVING THE PUBLIC HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME TALK TO US, SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS, GIVE THEIR FEEDBACK.

AND I'LL JUST I'LL JUST OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE INVITED THE CHAMBER PRESIDENT FROM DESOTO HERE, AND SO I'LL USE THEIR WORDS BECAUSE IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO BE HERE.

THEY TALKED ABOUT AND EXPRESSLY SAID THEY HAD PUBLIC EDUCATION AND ENGAGEMENT BEFORE THE VOTE BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO ADDRESS CONCERNS AND HAVE CLEAR COMMUNICATION.

AND THEN I LIKE WHAT SHE SAID AT THE END, AND I QUOTE.

MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ON THIS, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND THOSE AFFECTED TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE, TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO US BEFORE SOMETHING IS RATIFIED AND IN THE BOOKS.

SO THAT'S WHY I CAN'T SUPPORT IT.

I CAN'T SUPPORT THE EVEN THE AMENDED MOTION BECAUSE IT SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE.

THIS IS NEVER THE PROCESS FOR WHICH WE ARE TO DO THINGS, TO EXCLUDE THE PUBLIC INPUT IN THE WITH THE GOAL OF EXPEDIENCY.

AND SO I CAN'T GET BEHIND IT.

SO HOPEFULLY I GET A CHANCE TO VOTE ON SOMETHING I CAN SUPPORT BECAUSE I DO SUPPORT THE NOTION AND I SUPPORT WHAT IT'S TRYING TO ACHIEVE.

I JUST DON'T SUPPORT FAST TRACKING IT BEYOND HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE PEOPLE WE REPRESENT.

COUNCIL MEMBER. WHAT'S.

A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. FIRST IS POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON THE ACTUAL MOTION AND THE SECOND, SO I WOULD ASK THE MOVER AND THE SECONDER THROUGH THE MAYOR, IS THIS THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE THAT IS IN THE BACKUP AS PRESENTED BY STAFF? THE AMENDED THE CHANGED ORDINANCE, I GUESS, IS MY QUESTION.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES.

OKAY. IS THAT IS THAT IS THAT GO FOR THE SECONDER AS WELL? THAT IS IT IS THE SECOND FOR THE.

OKAY. AND AND I AM IN I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT VERSION.

BUT I HAVE TO SAY, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SHARE THE MAYOR'S SENTIMENTS.

TO ME, THIS IS A LITTLE BACKWARDS BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT APPROVAL, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT APPROVED AND EFFECTIVE IN JANUARY, A YEAR OR SIX MONTHS FROM NOW AND GET PUBLIC INPUT, WHY WHY DON'T WE JUST WAIT AND GET THE PUBLIC INPUT AND THEN COME BACK? BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS BECAUSE IF THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT COME UP THAT WE WANT TO CHOOSE, THEN WE'VE GOT TO COME BACK.

WE'VE GOT TO AMEND IT. IF THERE'S IF THERE'S SOME GOOD IDEAS THAT ARE MADE.

SO I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED.

I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE PROCESS.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'VE ALWAYS SAID MOST OF THE TIME IS WHY ARE WE GOING ABOUT I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN A VOTE WHERE WE'VE ASKED FOR AN EXTENDED APPROVAL AT SOME CERTAIN DATE AND THEN GAINED PUBLIC INPUT.

SO THAT WOULD I CAN'T SUPPORT THE MOTION, NOT BECAUSE OF THE SUBSTANCE OF THE MOTION, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH THAT.

I CAN'T SUPPORT IT BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS.

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SO I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN DO THIS A WAY THAT SEEMS TO.

REALLY WHAT'S ALL WHAT'S IMPORTANT IN ANY OF OUR VOTES IS THE COMMUNITY.

WE DO THIS FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WE'RE NOT DOING THIS FOR OURSELVES.

WE'RE NOT DOING IT FOR THIS BODY.

WE'RE DOING IT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE COMMUNITY INPUT FROM ALL STAKEHOLDERS, NOT JUST THE BUSINESS GROUPS.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE CAN GO OUT AND TALK TO AND AND MAYBE GET FEEDBACK THAT WOULD HELP US IMPROVE THIS ORDINANCE IN WAYS THAT WE CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE RIGHT NOW. SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO AND EVEN IF IT WERE THE MOTION THAT WASN'T AMENDED.

WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC INPUT ON THAT OTHER THAN A MEETING WITH THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OF THE CHAMBER AND MAYBE A SURVEY SENT OUT AMONG CHAMBER MEMBERS. NO DISCUSSION, NO ANYTHING.

SO EVEN IF WE WERE TO CONSIDERING THE OLD ONE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED BACK IN DECEMBER.

AND WE DIDN'T EVEN THE DIRECTION WAS NOT EVEN TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO WHILE I SUPPORT THE MOTION, I MEAN, I SUPPORT THE SUBSTANTIVE ORDINANCE.

I CAN'T I CAN'T SUPPORT THE TIMING AND THE PROCESS OF THIS.

SO UNFORTUNATELY, I'LL BE VOTING TO TO NOT SUPPORT.

I GUESS I HAVE A I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER QUESTION FOR MR. CITY ATTORNEY, IF I COULD. MAYOR.

YES, SIR. DO DO MOTIONS TO POSTPONE TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? YES. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, THEN I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE.

DOES IT HAVE TO BE TO A DATE CERTAIN OR TO.

IT CAN BE EITHER ONE.

EITHER ONE BEING WHAT'S WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO A DATE CERTAIN OR JUST A POSTPONE INDEFINITELY? NO, I'M NOT GOING TO POSTPONE INDEFINITELY.

SO IF I HAD TO SAY A DATE CERTAIN, I WOULD SAY, WHAT IS THIS DUE JUNE? HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO GET I MEAN.

THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR WAS GIVEN SIX MONTHS FOR PUBLIC INPUT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE THAT MUCH GIVEN, YOU KNOW, JUST THE THE PARTNERSHIP WE HAVE WITH THE CHAMBER.

AND I THINK JUST OUR ABILITY TO GET OUT IN THE COMMUNITY SO THAT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF BUDGET.

WE HAVE THE BOND PROGRAM YOU'RE LOOKING AT OCTOBER BEFORE WE CAN START.

ALL RIGHT. SURE.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, THEN I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE TO THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING IN IN OCTOBER WITH THE PROVISION THAT THERE BE A RIGOROUS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON GETTING INPUT FROM THE AMENDED ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.

MR. MAYOR. OKAY, LET ME BEAR WITH ME ONE MOMENT, PLEASE.

WHAT'S.

UH. OKAY.

IS THERE BEFORE THAT? IS THERE A SECOND? CAN I OFFER A MORE SPECIFIC.

LANGUAGE. AND THEN A SECOND.

CERTAINLY YOU CAN OFFER A FRIENDLY.

I GUESS IT'LL BE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE GENTLEMAN'S MOTION.

YES, SIR. AND THEN A SECOND.

YES, SIR. IF YOU'RE OPEN TO IT, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO TO SECOND THAT.

BUT THIS BODY, WE WOULD HAVE TO VOTE TO GIVE STAFF AUTHORIZATION TO ACTUALLY HOLD THAT VIGOROUS PROCESS WHERE WE WILL ENGAGE FOLKS, BECAUSE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HAS KNOWN THIS HAS BEEN COMING FOR SIX MONTHS AND THEY ACTUALLY HAD OPTIONS OF THINGS TO DO AND NOTHING'S BEEN DONE.

SO I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS DIE BECAUSE OF INACTION.

I AM HAPPY TO AGAIN AMEND THAT IF POSSIBLY WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS IN FACT A RIGOROUS AND ENGAGEMENT PROCESS WHERE WE WILL BRING IN OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO GET FEEDBACK.

OKAY, LET ME THEN.

I'M JUST GOING TO. MADAM CITY CITY MANAGER.

WHAT DO YOU NEED IN THE MOTION TO DO? YOU'VE HEARD WHAT COUNCILMEMBER WATTS HAS EXPRESSED.

YOU'VE HEARD COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE'S CONCERNS.

YOUR THOUGHTS. SO THIS DOESN'T JUST HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE.

WE'LL HAVE TO LAY OUT A PLAN LIKE WE DID PREVIOUSLY THAT SHOWED YOU THE LENGTH OF TIME IT TAKES.

WE'LL WORK WITH THE CHAMBER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING IN SOME FASHION TO MAKE SURE BUSINESSES ARE AWARE, ARE AWARE.

WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC MEETINGS OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET INFORMATION OUT TO BUSINESSES SO THAT IF THEY CASE THEY CAN'T COME, THEY HAVE INFORMATION THAT HELPS EXPLAIN IT.

SO IT IS THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE MATERIAL THINGS WE HAVE TO DO.

IT'S THE AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME IT TAKES TO CALL A MEETING, GET IT SET, GET OUT THE NOTICES, GET PEOPLE THERE, HOLD THE MEETINGS, GET THE INFORMATION BACK OUT, WORKING WITH THE PARTNERS IN AT THE CHAMBER, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS FROM OUR LAST PRESENTATION, BUT IT WAS PRETTY EXTENSIVE.

IT REQUIRES HR INVOLVEMENT, IT REQUIRES RYAN'S INVOLVEMENT.

IT WILL IT WILL REQUIRE MY INVOLVEMENT.

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THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER'S.

AND THEN WAYNE'S INVOLVEMENT.

SO IT'S IT'S A PRETTY MASSIVE EFFORT WITH STAFF TO BE INVOLVED.

IT CAN'T JUST BE ONE PERSON THERE.

WAYNE FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, GETTING THE GETTING EVERYTHING ON THE CALENDAR WITH THE CHAMBER.

SO IT'S UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO FAST TRACK IT, WHICH MEANS OTHER THINGS WILL DROP OFF.

NO, NO. I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND.

SO IF WE PASS, IF, IF IT'S THE DESIRE OF THE MAJORITY OF THIS BODY TO REQUEST THAT, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY OTHER THAN A VOTE THAT YOU NEED TO THEN SET THE THAT IN MOTION? NO OTHER. NO ANOTHER OTHER THAN PROBABLY NOT STARTING IT TILL LATE OCTOBER BECAUSE OF BOND AND BUDGET AND VACATIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE CERTAINLY, WHICH HAS BEEN NOTED BY THE BY THE MOTIONER.

SO THAT IS THE TIME FRAME THAT'S CONCEDED THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

COUNCILMAN. MCGEE. UM, I GUESS I BELIEVE THE GENTLEMAN MADE A MOTION THAT IF HE IS.

AMENABLE TO THAT AMENDMENT, THEN I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT IS FAIR.

COUNCIL MEMBER I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS.

THE AMENDMENT WOULD BE THAT.

THE AMENDMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF CAN ACTUALLY HOLD A RIGOROUS ENGAGEMENT PERIOD.

OKAY. WELL, GIVING THEM THE AUTHORIZATION TO ACTUALLY GO AND DO THAT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY.

I CAN DO FEEL FREE TO PHRASE THAT HOWEVER YOU WANT, YOU KNOW.

NO, NO, NO, NO. SURE.

I MEAN, AND THEN I WILL SECOND.

THAT WOULD I MEAN, I GUESS, I GUESS THAT I JUST SORT OF ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WOULD DO THAT IF WE VOTED AND ASK THEM TO DO THAT.

SO I'M NOT SURE, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, WHAT LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE APPROPRIATE IN ORDER TO MEMORIALIZE THAT IN THE MOTION.

COULD YOU COULD YOU HELP ME WITH THAT? OR I COULD TRY, I THINK, WITH SOME DIRECTION TO STAFF.

TO ENSURE THAT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS IS DONE PRIOR TO THIS COMING BACK IN OCTOBER WOULD BE ENOUGH.

IT'LL START IN OCTOBER.

WE'RE STARTING IN OCTOBER. THIS COMES BACK IN OCTOBER TO CLARIFY YOUR MOTION, AND THEN THE POSTPONEMENT WOULD NEED TO BE FURTHER OUT.

YEAH. AND LOOK, WHENEVER IT IS, I WANT STAFF TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME. BUT THIS IS EXACTLY MY POINT AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT THE CHAMBER.

KNOWING THIS WAS COMING FOR SIX MONTHS.

COUNCIL DID NOT GIVE DIRECTION IN DECEMBER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

SO THE THE NEXT TIME I HEARD IT AFTER DECEMBER WAS WHATEVER THE DATE WAS WHEN YOU HAD WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE HAD HIS TWO MINUTE PITCH TO BRING IT STRAIGHT FROM THE TWO MINUTE PITCH TO THE DAIS.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHO KNEW WHAT WAS COMING OR WHEN OR WHAT PEOPLE NEEDED TO DO.

BUT WE NEVER GAVE DIRECTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.

SO NOTHING'S BEEN DONE ON IT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO REASON FOR THAT TO BE DONE.

AND I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE, BUT I WOULD WANT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT TO BE DONE SO THAT THE THE PUBLIC CAN HAVE A SAY.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT SHOULD BE.

IF WE NEED TO MAKE A MOVE TO POSTPONE TILL THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY, WHICH WAS THE TIME WHEN THE MOTION, THE UNDERLYING MOTION WAS MADE TO MAKE IT EFFECTIVE AND THEN DO THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

I TRUST STAFF WILL DO IT.

I TRUST THAT STAFF WILL DO IT WHEN THEY HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT.

AND AND I TRUST THAT THE CHAMBER WILL DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.

AND I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO BE INVOLVED AS THEY ARE, AS WE GIVE THEM INVITATIONS TO DO AND EVERYTHING.

AND THIS IS SORT OF A WEIRD I GOT TO BE HONEST.

THIS IS KIND OF A WEIRD, A WEIRD SET UP HERE AND A WEIRD KIND OF SET OF EVENTS THAT ARE SORT OF UNUSUAL.

BUT THAT'S MY MOTION.

I'LL INCORPORATE THE MOTION TO RIGOROUSLY DO IT.

IN FACT, I'LL EVEN ADD THAT IF STAFF COULD DURING THAT PUBLIC INPUT ENGAGEMENT, JUST GIVE US SOME UPDATES, MAYBE SOME COUNCIL WRITTEN UPDATES THAT WILL PROVIDE US WITH SOME OF THOSE ACTIVITIES PLUS SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION OUT AS WELL.

SO THAT'S MY MOTION FOR THE POSTPONEMENT.

AS I SAID EARLIER, MR. MAYOR, I'M HAPPY TO SECOND.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

THE THE SUBJECT OF THAT MOTION IS WELL DOCUMENTED IN BOTH VIDEO AND AUDIO.

MAYOR JUST SO I'M CLEAR, MAYOR, IS IT UNTIL JANUARY? IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? IS THE POSTPONEMENT UNTIL JANUARY? OKAY. OR OR SOONER IF IF THE PUBLIC INPUT YOU CAN'T DO IT ON OR YOU CAN SAY ON OR BEFORE OKAY AND UPDATES ARE GOING TO COME.

SO THAT'S THAT'S A PART OF IT.

SO WELL WHATEVER LEGAL RECOMMENDS, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.

I MEAN, ARE YOU SAYING WE NEED AN ACTUAL DROP DEAD DATE IN THERE, GIVE YOU THE OPTION YOU COULD POSTPONE INDEFINITELY OR UNTIL A DATE CERTAIN AND YOU WANTED TO GO WITH THE DATE CERTAIN. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS JANUARY.

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IS THAT DIRECTION TO COME BACK IN JANUARY OR SOONER WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER INDEFINITELY BETTER.

SEE, COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER'S GOT HIS HAND UP TO, I'M GOING TO SAY DATE CERTAIN FIRST COUNCIL MEETING IN JANUARY.

AND THAT WAY WE GOT A BOOKEND.

WE GOT TO GET IT DONE.

THERE'S NO. OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WATTS, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE, AND I'M JUST GOING TO GO IN ORDER HERE.

I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GOOD.

COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON SPEAKING.

WOULD IT WAIT? SOMEBODY LEFT. OKAY.

OH, LET ME TAKE MINE OFF. YOU'RE GOOD.

COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. GREEN MEANS GO.

THANK YOU. I HAD INTENDED TO SPEAK ON REASONS WHY I WAS NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M STUNNED THAT WE'RE PROTRACTING THIS LIKE WE ARE ABSOLUTELY STUNNED.

THIS WAS A SIMPLE A SIMPLE VOTE AFTER THIS WEEKEND.

THIS PAST WEEKEND, WE TALKED ABOUT SPEEDING UP THE MEETINGS.

WE'VE DONE ABSOLUTELY THE OPPOSITE TODAY.

I'M STUNNED.

I WILL VOTE IN OPPOSITION OF THE OF THE MOTION TO POSTPONE.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN MELTZER.

YEAH. I'LL BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS.

AND I'M GLAD THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A KIND OF MEETING OF THE MINDS ON THIS THAT I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT OR ACTUALLY ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY, ISN'T THERE ALSO AN OPTION TO POSTPONE TO AN EVENT CERTAIN? THERE IS. YES, THERE IS.

WHICH COULD WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH WHERE WE LANDED, BUT JUST AS A CASE IN POINT, THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THIS PUBLIC INPUT WAS SOUGHT.

THE OTHER COMMENT I'LL ADD IS THAT I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER WATT'S SUGGESTION THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT I HOPE WE REACH OUT TO WHATEVER THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT INTERESTS ARE.

RIGHT? WHO WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS? SO THAT'S IT.

THANKS, COUNCILOR MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. FIRST OFF, I WANT TO SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE SITTING NEXT TO YOU, JUDGE.

ARE YOU ALL RIGHT? I'LL FIX THAT.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON, I APPRECIATE I APPRECIATE YOUR MOTION.

YEAH. AS YOU ALL KNOW, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME WHEN I RAN FOR OFFICE.

I'M HAPPY TO DO THIS.

THE MAYOR MENTIONED HAVING A RETREAT THIS WEEKEND.

I THINK WE ALL CAME OUT OF THAT RETREAT FEELING CONFIDENT AND READY TO WORK AS A MORE COHESIVE BODY.

SO PURELY, IF NOTHING ELSE, BUT FOR THE INTEREST OF PROTECTING THE NEWLY FOUND GOODWILL THAT WE HAVE ALL HAVE TOWARD ONE ANOTHER, I HAPPILY SECOND THIS MOTION.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SUPPORTING IT, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CITY TAKING THE LEAD IN AN ENGAGEMENT PROCESS WITH THE COMMUNITY SO WE CAN GET RIGHT BACK HERE.

AND I JUST WANT TO REMEMBER, I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS ABOUT FOLKS FEELING UNHEARD, AS WAS HEARD BY OUR FRIEND FROM DESOTO, 70 MILLION AMERICANS WHO HAVE CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS ALSO FEEL UNHEARD.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THAT THOSE FOLKS IN MIND AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT HERE AND USUALLY THEY DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE REPRESENTED IN A BODY LIKE THIS.

THAT IS SPECIFICALLY THE REASON THAT I RAN FOR CITY COUNCIL.

SO HAVING SAID THAT, LOOKING FORWARD TO SUPPORTING THIS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO MR. WATTS FOR MAKING THE AMENDMENT.

COUNCIL MEMBER THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I THINK YOU CAN SENSE THAT THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND COOPERATE WITH EACH OTHER.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S I THINK PEOPLE ARE GIVING A GOOD FAITH EFFORT.

I THINK YOU CAN SENSE THAT THERE IS A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE WHO, YOU KNOW, WHO FEEL LIKE THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER AND NATURE OF WORK SESSIONS AND VOTES AND TIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAVE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, NOT THROUGH ANYONE HERE AT THE DIOCESE FAULT, BUT THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF WHAT HAS GONE ON IN THE LAST YEAR WHERE.

WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF NOT STANDARD INPUT, BUT A LOT OF INPUT ON MANY ISSUES THAT THAT DIDN'T ADVANCE, NOT FROM A LACK OF WILL, BUT BECAUSE A LACK OF CONSENSUS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE DOING THEIR LEVEL BEST TO SUGGEST WAYS TO WORK WITH EACH OTHER TO BRING IT FORWARD.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, STAFF ACTUALLY LED THE LEAD WITH THAT WITH THE 120 DAY IMPLEMENTATION PERIOD FOR EXACTLY THE SAME REASONS.

NO ONE IS TRYING TO THROW ANYONE IN THE DEEP END IN COLD WATER AND SHOCK THEM.

BUT THERE'S CLEARLY, I THINK, A WILL WHETHER WHETHER THAT'S SUFFICIENT FOR A CONSENSUS OR NOT.

BUT BARRING ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES FROM THE INPUT I HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY, I, I

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ANTICIPATE VOTING YES IN JANUARY.

AND I BUT I ALSO DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM LEARNING IF THERE ARE PARTICULAR HOT BUTTON ITEMS. SO I'LL BE VOTING FOR THE MOTION.

OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

LET'S VOTE. ON WHAT? OH, HOLD ON.

YEAH. WE GOT TO HAVE THE MOTION TO COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO APPEAL TO MY COLLEAGUES ONE MORE TIME.

I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, MAYOR PRO TEM.

I ALSO APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US ONCE AGAIN TO JUST TO REMEMBER THE GOOD WILL THAT WE ALL HAVE COMING OUT OF THE RETREAT.

WE'RE TRYING TO WORK MORE COHESIVELY AS A BODY.

BUT SOMETIMES.

SOMETIMES YOU GOT TO KNOW WHEN TO HOLD EM, KNOW WHEN TO FOLD THEM.

I WOULD ASK THAT THIS IS A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE THEIR EAR AND THEIR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART.

LET'S ALL VOTE TOGETHER ON THIS TO TABLE THIS UNTIL STAFF CAN DO SOME MORE WORK ON THIS.

SO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? LET'S THROW IT ON THE SCREEN. AND THIS IS A MOTION TO POSTPONE.

YES. OKAY.

SO, YEAH, THIS IS A MOTION TO POSTPONE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. WHAT'S A MOTION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE SECOND.

THE CAPTION IS DIFFERENT, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU NEED TO EDIT THAT BEFORE WE VOTE OR NO? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSED THE MOTION TO POSTPONE PASSES SIX

[B. Consider appointments to City Council Committees: Community Partnership Committee]

ONE. TAKES US TO ITEM B.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ID 231175.

CONSIDER APPOINTMENT TO CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE.

AND THIS WILL BE SUPER FAST, SUPER FAST.

JUST REMINDING YOU OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER WITH THE NOMINATIONS FROM COUNCIL BEING COUNCIL MEMBERS BYRD, MCGEE AND HOLLAND.

OKAY. IS THERE? COUNCIL MEMBER. MCGEE. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS TO COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COUNCILMAN WATTS.

SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER WATTS.

DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE.

LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

MM. OKAY.

I THINK HE'S. YEAH, HE'S.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MCGEE. YEAH.

HE'S TALKING TO MAC ABOUT SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE KNOWS HE NEEDS TO VOTE.

OH, YOU GOT TO PUSH THE BUTTON.

I DON'T KNOW. THERE WE GO.

SEVEN ZERO. OKAY.

[C. Consider approval of a resolution to appoint a member to the Board of Directors of the Texas Municipal Power Agency, a Texas Joint Powers Agency, to represent the City of Denton, a Texas Home-Rule Municipal Corporation; and declaring an effective date.]

THAT TAKES US TO.

WHAT IS IT? SEE? IS THAT WHERE WE ARE? GOT IT.

OKAY. ITEM C ID 231162.

CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO APPOINT A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL POWER AGENCY OF TEXAS JOINT POWER AGENCY TO REPRESENT THE CITY OF DENTON AND A TEXAS HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AND DECLARING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MAYOR CITY COUNCIL TONY PUENTE, GENERAL MANAGER, GOT A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM FOR YOU.

A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TWMPA.

TWMPA IS A JOINT POWERS AGENCY CREATED BACK IN 1975.

IT INCLUDES THE CITIES OF DENTON BRYANT, GREENVILLE AND GARLAND.

THE PURPOSE WAS TO PROVIDE AN ECONOMIC POWER SUPPLY TO THE MEMBER CITIES FOR RESALE TO CUSTOMERS.

BACK IN JANUARY OF 2001, ALL THE GENERATION ASSETS OWNED BY TWMPA WERE SOLD TO A PRIVATE PARTY.

SINCE THAT TIME, 10,000 ACRES OF MINE PROPERTY THAT THE AGENCY OWNED HAVE ALREADY BEEN SOLD.

THERE'S ABOUT 726 ACRES, A LITTLE BIT MORE.

THAT'S STILL GOING TO BE HELD IN TRUST BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP.

THE 726 ACRES IS CURRENTLY BEING ADVERTISED FOR SALE AS WELL.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S STILL TRANSMISSION ASSETS THAT ARE OWNED OR CO OWNED BY THE CITIES THROUGH TWMPA.

WE DO GET A RATE OF RETURN ON THOSE ASSETS, VERY SIMILAR TO THE RATE OF RETURN THAT WE GET FOR TRANSMISSION ASSETS THAT DME OWNS ITSELF.

BOARD REPRESENTATIVES.

THE CITY HAS TWO SEATS ON THE BOARD CURRENTLY.

THERE'S ONE SEAT THAT'S UP FOR REAPPOINTMENT CURRENTLY HELD BY FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER MR. JESSE DAVIS.

IT'S DUE TO EXPIRE ON JULY 18TH OF THIS YEAR.

THIS VACANCY IS FOR A TWO YEAR APPOINTMENT BEGINNING JANUARY 18TH, 2023, AND ENDING AND EXCUSE ME,

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IN JULY 18TH, ENDING IN JULY 18TH OF 2025.

CURRENTLY, YOU HAVE TWO NOMINATIONS IN FRONT OF YOU IN YOUR BACKUP.

FIRST NOMINATION WAS FOR MR. JESSE DAVIS, AND THE SECOND ONE WAS FOR MAYOR PRO TEM BRIAN BECK.

PER THE GOVERNANCE REQUIREMENTS, THE CITY MUST ADOPT A RESOLUTION MAKING THIS APPOINTMENT TO AVOID ANY LAPSE.

THE CITY REPRESENTATION ON THE BOARD.

STAFF IS REQUESTING THE COUNCIL SELECT A NOMINEE BY AFFIRMING BY RESOLUTION.

WE'VE PROVIDED SOME LANGUAGE HERE FOR YOU THAT I'LL LEAVE UP WHEN MAKING THE ACTUAL NOMINATION.

AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED ALREADY, THE SELECTED REPRESENTATIVE WILL SERVE FOR A TWO YEAR TERM BEGINNING JULY 18TH OF THIS YEAR AND ENDING IN JULY 18TH OF 2025.

WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

DID I SEE SOMETHING WHERE WE WON AN AWARD OR THE NEW OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AWARD OR SOMETHING? CLEAN UP SOMETHING? THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT AWARD WAS WAS WON BY TAMPA FOR ALL THE REMEDIATION EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE ON THE MINE PROPERTY.

GOT IT. WHEN WAS THAT? THAT WAS LAST MONTH.

OKAY. AND THEN COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE WINDING DOWN AND WINDING UP? WHERE ARE WE IN THE PROCESS JUST SO I CAN HAVE A FRAME OF REFERENCE? SO AS I MENTIONED ALREADY, THE AGENCY NO LONGER OWNS ANY GENERATION ASSETS.

THERE ARE NO CURRENT PLANS FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INVESTMENTS IN GENERATION.

THERE IS A 726 ACRES THAT ARE STILL OWNED, PLUS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT'S GOING TO BE HELD IN TRUST BECAUSE OF ONGOING ENVIRONMENTAL MONITORING AT THE MINE PROPERTY THAT THAT WILL BE ON THE HOOK FOR FOR ABOUT 20, 20 YEARS.

AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER ASSETS THAT ARE STILL OWNED ARE TRANSMISSION ASSETS.

THERE IS AN UNBUNDLING PROVISION IN THE JOSÉ THE JOINT OPERATING AGREEMENT.

IT WOULD TAKE THREE OF THE MEMBER CITIES TO VOTE TO UNBUNDLE THOSE ASSETS AND ALLOCATE THOSE OUT BACK TO EACH OF THE MEMBER UTILITIES.

PRESENTLY, THERE'S LIKELY NOT ENOUGH VOTES TO UNBUNDLE THAT, SO THAT WILL CONTINUE THE RETURN.

THE RATE OF RETURN ON THE TRANSMISSION ASSETS FOR TAMPA IS HIGHER THAN WHAT OUR RATE OF RETURN WOULD BE IF THEY CAME UNDER US.

SO FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE FOR DME, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR US TO UNBUNDLE THOSE.

AND SO AS LONG AS THOSE ARE REMAIN UNBUNDLED OR NOT UNBUNDLED, THEN THE AGENCY WILL LIKELY CONTINUE TO SURVIVE.

THERE'S ONLY ABOUT SIX STAFF MEMBERS THAT REMAIN IN THE AGENCY.

OKAY. AND THEN WE I KNOW IT'S LIKE YOU'RE LIKE SHOHEI OHTANI.

YEAH. HE HIT A HOME RUN RIGHT AFTER THAT.

WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. JESSE DAVIS.

I AM ONE OF THE NOMINEES TO BE REAPPOINTED ONTO THIS BOARD, AND I ALSO WANT TO MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.

I'VE EMAILED EACH OF YOU HAD SOME INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF YOU ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT THE BOARD IS CURRENTLY DOING.

WE'RE NOT REALLY MUCH OF A POWER AGENCY.

WE ARE A TRANSMISSION LINE AGENCY PRIMARILY FOR ACCOUNTING PURPOSES BECAUSE THE RATE OF RETURN IS BETTER AS A GROUP AND IT IS BETTER THAN MOST OF THE OTHER MEMBER CITIES AND OUR OWN RATE OF RETURN.

AND WE'RE AN ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION AGENCY.

THAT'S WHAT OUR CORE COMPETENCIES ARE RIGHT NOW.

WE JUST HIRED AWAY OR REPLACED THE GM, WHO WAS REALLY THE GENERATION AND MARKET EXPERT, THE PERSON WHO HAD BEEN HIRED TO LEAD THAT AGENCY.

AND IT'S, I GUESS, THE WANING YEARS OF THE COAL PLANT THAT THAT PART OF THE AGENCY IS BEYOND IT.

SO WHAT I'M ASKING THE COUNCIL TO DO IS TO REAPPOINT ME PRIMARILY FOR THE INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY THAT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PROCESS WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH, THE RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE WITH SOME OF THE LONG SERVING MEMBERS OF THAT BOARD.

YOU HEARD ME TELL YOU A FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN WE REAPPOINTED NEARLY A YEAR AGO NOW, WHEN WE REAPPOINTED MR. CHEEK TO THIS BOARD, WHO WE SERVE WITH THE LONG SERVING MEMBERS OF THAT BOARD FROM OTHER CITIES THAT WE SERVE, WITH THE FOLKS WHO HAVE THAT INTENSE INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY THAT WITHOUT IT, DENTON IS AT A DISADVANTAGE IF WE DON'T HAVE SOME LONGEVITY OF SOME KIND ON THAT BOARD.

BUT AS I SAID IN MY EMAIL, I'M ASKING YOU ALSO FOR AN ADDITIONAL JOB, NOT JUST SHEPHERDING THIS PARTICULAR AGENCY AND DENTON'S INTERESTS AT THIS AGENCY, WHICH WE HAVE, WE HAVE MANY, BUT ALSO BECAUSE THIS AGENCY, WHETHER ITSELF THE ACTUAL LEGAL BONES OF THIS COALITION OF CITIES OR WHETHER THIS IS A FRAMEWORK FOR A FUTURE COALITION, WILL PROVIDE A MODEL, I THINK, FOR THE NEXT STEP IN OUR GENERATION CAPACITY AS A CITY.

WE KNOW THAT FUTURE GROWTH AND FUTURE MARKET CONDITIONS WILL DEMAND MORE GENERATION.

WE KNOW THAT THE CITY OF DENTON IS NOT PARTICULARLY ENAMORED WITH THE MOST ECONOMICAL KIND OF GENERATION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS FOSSIL FUELS.

SO IF WE WANT TO GO TO SOMETHING ELSE, WE'VE GOT TO GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

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IF WE WANT TO GO TO SOMETHING THAT'S FUTURE LOOKING, WE HAVE TO DO IT WITH OTHER CITIES BECAUSE THAT NEXT STEP REALLY IS CLEAN, MODULAR NUCLEAR POWER.

WE CAN'T DO IT ON OUR OWN.

WE CANNOT AFFORD TO BE THE PRIMARY ADOPTERS.

OUR RATEPAYERS CANNOT AFFORD TO BE THE PRIMARY ADOPTERS OF A NEW TECHNOLOGY.

BUT FORMING A COALITION.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO DO.

I'M ASKING YOU TO SEND ME OUT JUST LIKE ARLINGTON SENT OUT TOM VANDERGRIFF YEARS AGO TO BRING BRING IN THE RANGERS AND TO BRING IN SIX FLAGS.

I'M ASKING YOU TO SEND ME OUT TO OTHER CITIES IN TEXAS TO BRING HOME CLEAN NUCLEAR POWER, THAT WE ARE AT THE FOREFRONT OF THE NEXT GENERATION OF POWER GENERATION IN TEXAS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE'LL SEE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

BUT LET ME SO WITH THAT, NO OTHER SPEAKERS JUST WANT TO ONE CLARIFICATION.

THE SPEAKER IS FREE TO TALK ABOUT OTHER ENERGY SOURCES.

WE'RE NOT POSTED FOR OTHER ENERGY SOURCES HERE AT THE DAIS.

SO JUST ONE NOTE THERE.

THEN I WILL SAY I'M GOING TO MOVE APPROVAL OF NOMINATING FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS TO RETURN FOR THAT VERY PURPOSE FOR THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AS IT'S WINDING DOWN.

I BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT TO, AS WE'VE DID WITH THE EARLIER TODAY, WITH MOST OF THE BOARDS MAINTAINING THOSE PEOPLE IN PLACE FOR THAT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, ESPECIALLY HERE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S SPOT ON.

WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT KNOWLEDGE AS WE BEGIN TO NEGOTIATE NEXT PHASES OF THINGS.

I JUST THINK THAT WOULDN'T BE WISE AND IT'S NOT THE BEST OPTION FOR OUR FOR OUR CITY THAT WE REPRESENT.

SO THAT'S MY POSITION.

THAT'S MY MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND COUNCILMEMBER WATTS? I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY.

MOTION BY MAYOR HUDSPETH.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN WATTS.

DISCUSSION. COUNCILMAN MELTZER YES, THANK YOU.

FIRST OF ALL, JOB WELL DONE GETTING US TO THIS POINT.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.

OUR RECENT HISTORY NOTWITHSTANDING.

FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS IS AN OUTSTANDING PUBLIC SERVANT AND A HIGHLY CAPABLE PERSON.

I ABSOLUTELY WANT US TO FIND A GREAT ROLE FOR HIM, AND IT MAY TURN OUT TO BE THIS ONE TONIGHT.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I WAS THE PERSON WHO NOMINATED COUNCILMEMBER DAVE, THEN COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, TO THE POSITION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE I FELT THAT THE THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE FACING WITH THE WINDING DOWN OF GIBBON CREEK WOULD DRAW VERY WELL ON HIS PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE.

AND IT IS NOW BECAUSE PRECISELY BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF IN THE IT'S JUST THE LAST BITS LEFT AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S GOING TO STAY IN MOTION.

IF IT WAS ALL GOING TO BE ABOUT DISSOLVING THAT LAST BIT, UNBUNDLING, I PROBABLY WOULD WOULD BE FOR THE MOTION.

BUT BECAUSE IT'S LIKELY TO CONTINUE AND POTENTIALLY BE A BASE FOR.

SETTING FUTURE ENERGY POLICY.

I'M MY ONLY REASON TO VOTE NO IS THAT I WOULD HOPE TO TO MOVE APPROVAL OF THE NOMINATION OF DR.

BECK, BECAUSE I BELIEVE HIS PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE AS A POLICY MAKER WITH A DEEP FOUNDATIONS IN TECHNOLOGY AND SCIENCE, I THINK WILL STAND US VERY WELL IN IN LOOKING AT THIS LONGER TERM ENERGY FUTURE FOR DENTON.

ANY OTHER ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MYSELF, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER WATTS.

LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT PASSES 4 TO 3 TAKES US TO ITEM D ID 231147.

[D. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with Mountain Cascade of Texas, LLC, for the construction and movement of public water/wastewater utilities in support of the Texas Department of Transportation’s I-35 widening from US-380 to Milam Road for the Capital Projects Department; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFQ 7968-003 - awarded to Mountain Cascade of Texas, LLC, in the not-to-exceed amount of $17,109,084.30). The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (5-0).]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, A HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH THE MOUNTAIN CASCADE OF TEXAS LLC FOR CONSTRUCTION OF MOVEMENT OF PUBLIC WASTE DEPARTMENT, WATER, WASTEWATER, UTILITIES AND SUPPORT OF THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

TRANSPORTATION'S I-35 WIDENING FROM US 382 MILE ROAD.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS COLE TANKERSLEY.

I'M A PROJECT MANAGER WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS AND I'LL BE THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT THAT I'M PRESENTING TO YOU TONIGHT.

THIS PROJECT'S IN SUPPORT OF I-35'S WIDENING WITH TXDOT, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING TO YOU TO AWARD THE CONTRACT TO MOUNTAIN CASCADE.

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THE OVERVIEW OF THIS PROJECT IS REALLY GOING TO BE BETWEEN THE US 380 AND MILUM ROAD.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING WATER AND WASTEWATER UTILITIES ABOUT 31,000 LINEAR FEET TO SUPPORT THE WIDENING OF THE FREEWAY.

THIS IS A REIMBURSABLE PROJECT PROJECT FROM TEXDOT, SO WE WILL BE GETTING THIS MONEY BACK.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT CROSSES MULTIPLE ROADS.

HERE WE HAVE A US 380 CROSS UNIVERSITY DRIVE, WINDSOR, WESTGATE ROAD LOOP 288 AND A FEW OTHERS.