[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the Bell Avenue/Eagle Drive Intersection Traffic Analysis and update Bell Avenue from University to Mingo Road within the TWU corridor. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

RECEIVE REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING BELL AVENUE EAGLE DRIVE INTERSECTION TRAFFIC ANALYSIS UPDATE ON BELL AVENUE FROM UNIVERSITY TO MINGO ROAD WITHIN THE T.W.U CORRIDOR.

MAYOR YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SAY HOW PROUD I AM OF OUR STAFF AND OUR FRIENDS AND PARTNERS AT T.W.U.

WE HAVE SPENT NOT ME NECESSARILY, BUT THE STAFF HAS SPENT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH T.W.U TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION WE THINK WILL MEET EVERY ONE OF YOUR THOUGHTS, BUT ALSO PROBABLY BE ACCEPTED MORE BY THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

SO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TODAY IS A VALIANT EFFORT TO WORK THROUGH SOME THINGS THAT HELP, I THINK, SOLVE SOME ISSUES HERE THAT WOULD HELP T.W.U AND THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY, BUT ALSO LOOK AT ESTHETICS AND THEN LOOK AT MULTIMODAL AND ALSO ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF OUR RESIDENTS WHO NEED TO GET THROUGH THERE.

SO I HOPE YOU FIND THIS AS HELPFUL AS I HAVE.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AND DR.

PHAETON AND STAFF AND ALSO THE STAFF WITH TREVOR AND BRETT AND BECKY FOR THEIR HARD WORK.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY.

I AM BRETT BOURGEOIS, THE DEPUTY CITY ENGINEER, AND I'M HERE WITH TREVOR CRANE TO DISCUSS BELL AVENUE AND SOME UPDATES ALONG THE BELL AVENUE CORRIDOR.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT BELL AVENUE, WE LOOK AT THE FUNCTIONALITY OF BELL AVENUE.

WHAT DOES IT NEED TO BE IN TERMS OF THE CITY, IN TERMS OF T.W.U AND FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE? WE LOOK AT IT NEEDS TO BE SOME EMERGENCY ACCESS.

WE NEED TO HAVE UTILITIES ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

WE NEED TO HAVE ABILITY TO MAINTAIN THOSE AND OPERATE THOSE.

WE WANT IT TO BE A BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY CORRIDOR IN AREAS WHERE IT'S APPLICABLE.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN STILL HAVE THROUGH TRAFFIC ACCESS AND LOCAL TRAFFIC ACCESS AS NECESSARY.

WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN IT, HAVE BUSSES, TRAVEL THROUGH IT FOR T.W.U.

WE ALSO WANT IT TO BE A SAFE CORRIDOR.

WE WANT IT TO BE SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS, HAVE SLOW VEHICLE TRAFFIC ON IT, HAVE SEPARATE USES AND BE HAVE SOME AREAS WHERE PEDESTRIANS FEEL SAFE ACCESSING THE UNIVERSITY.

SO SOME BACKGROUND ON THIS.

AS AS CITY MANAGER SAID, WE HAVE A A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ON BELL AVENUE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

WE'VE HAD MORE THAN FOUR STUDIES DONE ALONG BELL AVENUE AS A WHOLE OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS.

WE'VE LOOKED AT IT IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS WITH WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, THE T.W.U STAFF AND CONSULTANTS.

WE HAVE DECIDED THAT THERE IS NO RECOMMENDATION TO CLOSE BELL AVENUE FOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC.

WE WANT TO MAINTAIN AN ACCESSIBILITY FOR IT AND DO PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS FOR IT.

WE WANT TO APPLY MULTIMODAL ASPECTS TO IT WHERE IT'S APPLICABLE.

SO WHAT MAKES SENSE?

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WHAT WORKS WITHIN THE CONFINES THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH? AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT IS THE INTERSECTION OF BELL AVENUE, EAGLE AVENUE OR EAGLE DRIVE.

AND DALLAS DRIVE IS ONE THAT HAS COME UP AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION AS WELL, IS HOW DO WE IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION? AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT EAGLE DRIVE IS A ROAD THAT IS IN NEED OF REPAIR AND RECONSTRUCTION, AND THAT IS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR THE SUMMER OF 2024.

AS PART OF THE LUCAS TURN BACK PROJECT THAT THE CITY IS WORKING WITH TEXDOT ON.

SO WE SHOULD HAVE IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT AREA AS WELL.

SO AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING TO DIFFERENT AREAS OF BELL AVENUE.

WE HAVE THE SECTION THROUGH TEXAS WOMEN'S UNIVERSITY THAT TREVOR WILL BE DISCUSSING, AND I'M GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON THE SECTION AT THE INTERSECTION OF BELL, EAGLE AND DALLAS.

SO THE INTERSECTION OF BELL, EAGLE AND DALLAS, AS THIS SLIDE SHOWS, WE HAVE A LOT GOING ON IN THAT LOCATION.

THE BIG PLAYERS WE HAVE IS TEX-DOT.

THEY OWN AND OPERATE EAGLE DRIVE IN DALLAS DRIVE.

THEY ALSO OWN AND OPERATE LOCUST STREET.

BUT WE'RE IN THE CURRENT NEGOTIATION WITH THEM TO TURN THAT BACK OVER TO CITY OPERATIONS.

WE OWN THE CITY OWNS BELLE AVENUE.

IT TIES INTO THE INTERSECTION.

AND ANOTHER MAJOR PLAYER WE HAVE IS THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD THAT COMES THROUGH THERE AND CROSSES OVER DALLAS DRIVE.

THIS IS A MAJOR PINCH POINT FOR THAT AREA.

SO THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT CONSTRAINT WE HAVE IN THIS LOCATION.

AND ALSO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE DO OR ANY PROPOSALS WE DISCUSS, WE HAVE TO COORDINATE AND WORK WITH TEX-DOT ON IN TERMS OF GETTING THEIR APPROVAL, THEIR REVIEW, THEIR BUY IN AND COORDINATE WITH THEM FOR CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN PURPOSES.

SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE STUDIES DONE.

SOME OF THEM HAVE INCLUDED THIS AREA.

WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE RECOMMENDATIONS COME THROUGH.

THE FIRST OPTION WE LOOKED AT WAS JUST A MINOR STRIPING RELATED CHANGE, A MINOR IMPROVEMENT WHERE WE WANT TO KEEP THE EXISTING INTERSECTION CONFIGURATION.

GO THROUGH, UPDATE THE STRIPING, UPDATE THE UPDATE THE WAYFINDING AND PROVIDE BETTER ACCESS AND MOBILITY.

CURRENTLY ON THIS INTERSECTION, THE LOCATION OF CONGESTION IS ON DALLAS DALLAS DRIVE TRAVELING NORTH AND MAKING THAT LEFT HAND TURN ONTO EAGLE DRIVE. SO IN THIS IN THIS CONFIGURATION, WE WOULD ELIMINATE ONE OF THE THROUGH LANES THAT TRAVELS NORTH ON DALLAS UP TO BELL AVENUE AND PROVIDE A DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE THAT EXTENDS BACK TO THE RAILROAD BRIDGE.

SO THE VEHICLES TRAVELING NORTHBOUND ON DALLAS DRIVE WOULD DECIDE BEFORE THE RAILROAD BRIDGE IF THEY'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE RIGHT HAND LANE AND TRAVEL THROUGH THE INTERSECTION NORTH TO BELL AVENUE, OR THEY GET INTO THE QUEUING LINE TO TURN LEFT ONTO EAGLE DRIVE.

THIS ELIMINATES THE POSSIBILITY OF VEHICLES WEAVING ONCE THEY GET PAST THE BRIDGE, WHICH CURRENTLY CAN OCCUR BECAUSE THAT LEFT HAND LANE CAN EITHER TURN LEFT OR TRAVEL THROUGH.

SO ONCE THE VEHICLES START STACKING THE LEFT HAND TURN LANE, IT BACKS UP INTO THE THROUGH LANE AND IT CREATES A POINT OF CONFLICT.

EVEN THOUGH THIS INTERSECTION IS STRANGE, IT ACTUALLY FUNCTIONS.

WE LOOK BACK AT THE CRASH HISTORY AT IT.

WE'VE ONLY HAD 12 MINOR COLLISIONS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS AT THIS INTERSECTION, WHICH IS A PRETTY LOW NUMBER, AND THERE HAVE BEEN NO SERIOUS INJURIES OR NO FATALITIES.

SO THAT'S A FAIRLY WELL FUNCTIONING INTERSECTION FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT TO DO THESE UPGRADES.

IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC CONTROL, REMOVING THE STRIPING RESTRIPING IT AND PUTTING THE NEW SIGNAGE UP AND WAYFINDING UP.

WE ESTIMATE THE COST TO BE APPROXIMATELY $100,000.

THE NEXT OPTION WE LOOKED AT IS LET'S COME TO THIS INTERSECTION AND ESSENTIALLY WIPE IT CLEAN AND REDESIGN IT FROM SCRATCH, ASSUMING NO OTHER CONSTRAINTS OTHER THAN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH.

WE WORKED WITH HDR AS ONE OF OUR CONSULTANTS ON THIS PROJECT AND THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH WITH THEM.

THE INTERSECTION IS A VERY SIMILAR CONFIGURATION TO WHAT IT CURRENTLY HAS.

WE HAVE THE WE'RE PROVIDING TWO LEFT TURN LANES OFF OF DALLAS DRIVE, TURNING ONTO EAGLE AVENUE OR EAGLE DRIVE.

THAT WILL ALLEVIATE THE CURRENT PROBLEM.

AS PART OF LOOKING AT THIS INTERSECTION, WE ALSO FORECASTED FUTURE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS AND WE LOOKED AT THE YEAR 2050 AS THE FUTURE CONDITION BECAUSE THAT'D BE APPROXIMATELY 30 YEARS AFTER CONSTRUCTION OR 20 YEARS AFTER CONSTRUCTION.

DESIGN CYCLE OF THE INTERSECTION.

WE SEE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TRAFFIC COMING DOWN, EAGLE DRIVE TURNING RIGHT ONTO DALLAS DRIVE.

SO THIS THIS OPTION PROVIDES TWO TURN LANES ONTO DALLAS DRIVE FROM EAGLE DRIVE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL STACKING AND ADDITIONAL WAY FOR VEHICLES TO GET THROUGH.

AGAIN, OUR BIG CONSTRAINT IS THE RAILROAD CROSSING.

THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO GET ALL THE VEHICLES TO MERGE INTO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF LANES AND CERTAIN WIDTH UNDER THAT RAILROAD BRIDGE.

SO THAT PROVIDES A MAJOR CONSTRAINT.

THIS WILL PROVIDE IT'S NOT SHOWN ON HERE, BUT WE'LL ADD MULTIMODAL ACCESS TO IT IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN PHASE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROVIDING PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE MOBILITY AND SAFETY THROUGH HERE.

WE PROVIDED SOME COST ESTIMATE, APPROXIMATELY $5 MILLION.

WE PROVIDED SOME NOMINAL VALUES FOR STORM DRAIN AND OTHER UTILITY COSTS, BUT THAT NUMBER IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE AS WE GET IN AND EVALUATE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE EXISTING UTILITIES IN THE INTERSECTION.

AND THIS IS THE OPTION THAT THE STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND TO GO FORWARD WITH, BECAUSE THIS WOULD NOT ONLY SOLVE THE EXISTING CONDITION, BUT ALSO SET US UP FOR THE NEXT 30, 30 YEARS

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OR SO OF THE INTERSECTION CONFIGURATION.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT A ROUNDABOUT CONDITION FOR THIS LOCATION.

AND AGAIN, WE USE A 2050 FUTURE BUILD CONDITION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE PROJECT.

AND ONE THING ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS THAT'S REALLY STRANGE IS THAT THEY WORK PRETTY WELL UNTIL THEY DON'T WORK WELL AND THEY DON'T WORK WELL, THEY WORK REALLY BADLY, REALLY BADLY.

SO IN THIS CONFIGURATION, WE LOOKED AT A SINGLE LANE, A DOUBLE LANE, A TRIPLE LANE ROUNDABOUT, JUST TO SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THE TRAFFIC FLOWS WORK.

EVEN UNDER THE TRIPLE LANE ROUNDABOUT, WE WERE LOOKING AT 1000 HUNDRED FEET, WHICH IS FIVE FOOTBALL FIELDS OF VEHICLES STACKING ALONG EAGLE DRIVE, TRYING TO MAKE IT INTO THE ROUNDABOUT. AND THAT'S NOT EVEN CONFIGURING THE ACTUAL CONFIGURATION OF THE ROUNDABOUT AND HOW TO NAVIGATE A THREE LANE ROUNDABOUT, WHICH I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THE CITY OF DENTON HAS EVER DONE BEFORE.

AND ON TOP OF THAT, IT PROVIDES NO ABILITY FOR BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.

SO BECAUSE OF ALL THESE ISSUES THAT WE RAN INTO WITH TRYING TO MAKE THE ROUNDABOUT SITUATION WORK, WE FOUND THAT IT'S NOT FEASIBLE AT ALL AT THIS INTERSECTION.

AND SO WE DIDN'T PURSUE A SCHEMATIC LAYOUT OR A COST ESTIMATE OF IT BECAUSE IT WAS ESSENTIALLY A NONSTARTER.

ONCE WE STARTED DOING TRAFFIC MODELING AND LOOKING AT THE FLOW PATTERNS.

AND I'LL PASS IT OVER TO TREVOR HERE TO GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS THE OTHER PORTION OF BELL AVENUE.

GREAT. THANKS, BRETT. SO TREVOR CRANE, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.

SO WE'VE HAD OUR TODAY I'M GOING TO TALK TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE BELL SECTION FROM 380 DOWN TO MINGO.

SO WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS, LOTS OF BACK AND FORTH WITH TWU LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY REALLY TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS WHAT THIS SECTION NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WORKS BEST FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED.

AND SO WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH IS WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE CALLING A HYBRID THREE LANE.

AND SO WHAT I WANT YOU TO KIND OF FOCUS ON IS THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

WE TALKED ABOUT REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE WHAT IS WHAT WORKS BEST FOR TWU, WHAT WORKS BEST FOR THE RESIDENTS, THE CITIZENS AND THE STUDENTS FOR FOR BELL WORKING THROUGH THERE.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT THREE LANE WITH RAISED MEDIAN.

SO THERE'S ALREADY SOME RAISED MEDIANS OUT THERE ON ESPECIALLY ON THE SECTION BETWEEN CHAPEL AND COLLEGE.

WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING SOME POSSIBLE ROUNDABOUTS AT THE BEGINNING AND END OF THE CORRIDOR AT CHAPEL AND AT COLLEGE THAT WOULD ALLOW TWU TO PUT SOME TYPE OF WAYFINDING OR ENTRY AND EXIT POINTS INTO THEIR INTO THEIR UNIVERSITY.

AND THEN ALSO, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT PICTURE, THE IN THE MIDDLE, WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING IN SOME MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS.

AND IT'S HARD TO SEE IN THAT PICTURE, BUT THAT'S A RAISED MEDIAN WITH SOME PLANTINGS, A TREE THERE.

BUT IN BETWEEN THAT MEDIAN, IT PROVIDES A SAFE A SAFE HARBOR FOR BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS.

SO IF YOU GET HALFWAY ACROSS THE STREET AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A CAR COMING THAT GIVES YOU A SAFE PLACE TO STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, LET THAT TRAFFIC PASS AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE THE OTHER SIDE.

SO WE WERE REALLY FOCUSED ON FROM THE CITY OF DENTON SIDE, FOCUSED ON THAT CONNECTIVITY, THE BICYCLIST AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY FROM 380 DOWN TO MINGO THAT WOULD CONNECT TO SOME OF OUR FUTURE PROJECTS AS WELL AS INTO DOWNTOWN AND INTO DCTA.

SO REALLY FOCUSING ON THAT CONNECTIVITY PIECE.

SO REALLY SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS WERE IT'S MORE ESTHETICALLY PLEASING, YOU KNOW, GIVING YOU SOME AREAS OF LANDSCAPING AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

IT PROVIDES THAT CALMING BENEFIT.

SO AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, ANY TIME YOU KIND OF VISUALLY NARROW THAT ROAD, IT MAKES THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC SLOW DOWN AND DRIVE SLOWER LANDMARKS AT THE ENTRANCE AND EXITS.

SOMETHING I ALSO MENTIONED, THE ROAD FUNCTION WILL REMAIN CONSISTENT.

SO WE'RE LEAVING. YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE OPEN TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, BUT REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS ON PROVIDING THOSE SAFE PLACES AND THE CONNECTIVITY FOR THE PEDESTRIANS AND THE BICYCLISTS AS WELL.

USE OF THE MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS, I TALKED ABOUT THAT.

ALSO MAYBE INSTALLING SOME VISUAL CUE.

SO SOME OF THOSE CROSSINGS LIKE WE HAVE OUTSIDE THE CITY HALL WITH THE FLASHING LIGHTS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, WHEN WHEN STUDENTS ARE TRYING TO CROSS THE ROAD RECOVERS, SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING, LANDSCAPING AND REPLACING TREES.

AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE MAINTENANCE PIECE OF THOSE LANDSCAPING AND TREES, AND THAT WOULD BE A PARTNERSHIP THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE WITH TWU ABOUT MAINTAINING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS.

SO ON THE BELL AND EAGLE INTERSECTION TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.

SO WE LIKE BRETT TALKED ABOUT, WE WOULD RECOMMEND ADVANCING THE DESIGN FOR OPTION TWO, THE MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD REQUIRE COORDINATION APPROVAL WITH TEXDOT BEFORE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

AND THEN WE WOULD CONTINUE MONITORING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS FOR FUTURE ADJUSTMENTS IF NECESSARY.

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AND THEN ON A BELL AVENUE CORRIDOR FROM US 380 TO MINGO.

STAFF RECOMMENDS ADVANCING THE DESIGN FOR THAT HYBRID THREE LANE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, AND WE WOULD CONTINUE THAT COORDINATION AND COLLABORATION WITH TWU DURING THE DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT PROJECT.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE FUNDING BE CONSIDERED IN A FUTURE CIP, SO DESIGN AND FY 2324 AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE PROJECTS IN FY 2425. AND THEN WITH THAT, BRETT AND I WILL BE HERE TO STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

WE ALSO HAVE HDR HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND WITH THAT.

WE'RE DONE. OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY SO OPTION C ON THE LATTER PART.

I APPRECIATE YOU NOT TAKING THE APPROACH OF PRINCE AKEEM'S DAD, JAMES EARL JONES, AND COMING TO AMERICA TO WHERE HE SAID, LET THEM WAIT.

IT'S A FUNNY MOVIE. GO WATCH IT. IT'S OLD.

BUT. BUT ANYWAY.

SO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU SAID.

YEAH, IT HAPPENS SO FAST.

YEAH, IT'S GREAT. YEAH, I AM.

I AM THRILLED THAT BELL AVENUE WILL NOT BE CLOSED.

I'M THRILLED ABOUT THAT.

WILL THERE BE WILL THERE WILL BELL AVENUE NEED TO BE WIDENED TO TO ACCOMPLISH THIS? SO THERE IS SOME LIMITED RIGHT OF WAY THROUGH THERE.

AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS ON THE REALLY ON THE NORTHERN SECTION.

SO WE WON'T WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WIDENING ANYTHING OR TAKING ANY ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY.

REALLY, WE WANT TO WORK WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE OUT THERE THAT WE WON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE UNTIL WE START THAT DESIGN.

BUT THE GOAL WOULD BE, OH, I'M LIKE, SOMEONE'S YELLING AT ME.

THE GOAL WOULD BE NOT TO TAKE ANY ANY ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY OR WIDEN ANYTHING WHICH WOULD OBVIOUSLY SPEED UP THE PROJECT.

CORRECT. OKAY.

NOW, I THINK THE MAYOR WAS TALKING ABOUT OPTION THREE OR THE ROUNDABOUT, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. YEAH.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT LOCATION FOR A ROUNDABOUT.

BY THE WAY, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT.

BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT'D BE A GREAT PLACE.

YOU'VE GOT AN ABUNDANCE OF LAND AVAILABLE, AND IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THAT'D BE A GREAT FRONT DOOR TO OUR CITY.

YEAH, NO, THAT'S WHAT WE LOOKED AT FOR AS WELL.

WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE SITUATION AND THE CONFIGURATION OF IT ACTUALLY IS KIND OF AN IDEAL LAYOUT FOR A ROUNDABOUT.

HOWEVER, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES, ROUNDABOUTS REALLY START BREAKING DOWN IN TERMS OF FUNCTIONALITY AT ABOUT 45,000 VEHICLES PER DAY.

CURRENTLY AT THE ROUNDABOUT, WE'RE GETTING ABOUT 36,000 VEHICLES PER DAY THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.

SO WHEN WE START FORECASTING OUT OUR GROWTH RATE AT 3% PER YEAR FOR UP UNTIL 2040, WHICH IS OUR 2040 COMP PLAN RECOMMENDATION, THEN IF WE USE A TEXT GROWTH PLAN OF 2% PER YEAR BEYOND THAT TO 2050, IT REALLY BREAKS DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY ONCE YOU GET INTO THE MORE VEHICLES INTO THE INTERSECTION.

I WASN'T RAISED ON ROUNDABOUTS, BUT MY EXPERIENCE WITH ROUNDABOUTS IN THE CITY HAS BEEN VERY, VERY POSITIVE.

AND AND AND I THINK IT'S A I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. OKAY.

A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.

SO THE NEW CONFIGURATION FOR BELL IS TWO TWO ROUNDABOUTS AND FOUR CROSSWALKS.

FIVE CROSSWALKS.

SO I WOULD SAY THIS IS JUST A SCHEMATIC.

THESE ARE KIND OF IDEAS THAT WE'RE TOSSING AROUND.

SO ROUNDABOUTS WERE JUST AN IDEA THAT T.W.

AND HAD BROUGHT UP.

WE WOULD HAVE TO KIND OF SEE IF THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM OUT THERE TO PUT ROUNDABOUTS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

REALLY, THE GOAL WOULD BE SOMETHING RIGHT THERE THAT COULD PROVIDE THAT VISUAL CUE THAT YOU'RE ENTERING OR EXITING THE TWU CAMPUS MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS.

WE'VE HAD OUR TRAFFIC PLANNER LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT.

REALLY, THE GOAL WOULD BE A LOT OF TIMES THE STUDENTS ARE KIND OF CROSSING WHERE THEY WANT TO CROSS THE FASTEST WAY TO GET ACROSS THE STREET.

SO WE WOULD LOOK AT THOSE, DO SOME STUDIES, SEE WHERE THE WHERE THE STUDENTS ARE ACTUALLY CROSSING.

AND THEN IF IT MAKES SENSE, THEN PUT THAT A MID-BLOCK CROSSING IN THOSE LOCATIONS SO THAT WE'RE PROVIDING SAFE HARBOR FOR STUDENTS THAT ARE CROSSING WHEREVER THEY'RE CROSSING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A SAFE HARBOR TO GET FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER.

SO THAT'S THE GOAL. SO NOT NECESSARILY RESTRICTED TO FOR REALLY WHEREVER THEY MAKE SENSE, WHEREVER WE'RE FINDING THE HIGHEST RATES OF OF TRAFFIC CROSSING THE STREETS.

DO WE ANTICIPATE THAT THOSE WOULD BE ON-DEMAND TYPE CROSSINGS OR JUST STATIC TYPE CROSSINGS? PROBABLY THE STATIC. OKAY.

AND THEN AND I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED IN THE NARRATIVE, ARE WE ARE WE'RE NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL NORTH SOUTH BIKE PED AT THIS TIME.

IT'S JUST STAYING THE SAME MOBILITY CONFIGURATION NORTH SOUTH AS IT CURRENTLY IS.

THE GOAL WOULD BE TO ADD ADD PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE CONNECTIVITY ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE CORRIDOR.

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OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT MORE BUY IN ON THIS THIS MODEL FROM THE COMMUNITY THAN I THINK, THE PREVIOUS ONE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE IT ADDRESSES A LOT OF THE CONCERNS.

AND THEN ON ON THE BELL AND EAGLE.

UM. A POTENTIAL ROUNDABOUT.

I GUESS I WAS A LITTLE.

I IN LOOKING AT THE NOTES, LET ME GET BACK TO THE SLIDES AND LOOKING AT THOSE NOTES.

I GET THAT WE HAVE WHAT LEVEL OF SERVICE F IF WE DO, IS THAT FOR THE SIX LANE ROUNDABOUT OR THE THREE LANE ROUNDABOUT WITH SIX LANES IN ANY GIVEN DIRECTION? HOW WHAT'S THE LEVEL OF SERVICE PROJECTED OUT? FOR THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION AND ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE FOUR LANES OF OF EAGLE AND THEN TRYING TO GET ONTO TO ELM. SO CURRENTLY I BELIEVE CAN HELP ANSWER THIS, BUT I BELIEVE ON NORTHBOUND DALLAS DALLAS DRIVE THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION FOR THE NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE ON EAGLE IS CURRENTLY A LEVEL D.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, IT'S CURRENTLY A LEVEL D AND EVERYTHING ELSE I BELIEVE IS FUNCTION AT A LEVEL C, SO YEAH.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? C BRAY.

D YEAH. SO? SO IN TERMS OF LEVEL OF SERVICE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A THROUGH F IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT IS, LIKE A GRADING SCALE.

THINK OF A ROADWAY AS A COUNTY ROADWAY AT NIGHT.

NO OTHER VEHICLES AROUND.

YOU'RE ALL BY YOURSELF COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE.

SAFE CONDITION LEVEL OF F IS YOU'RE STACKED UP, TRAFFIC JAM CAN'T MOVE ETCETERA.

RIGHT. SO MOST ROADWAYS ARE DESIGNED FOR ABOUT A LEVEL C, LEVEL D IS A KIND OF APPROPRIATE FOR HIGH TRAFFIC CONDITIONS.

RUSH HOUR CONDITIONS HAVEN'T SPARSE TIMES OF LEVEL D TO DESIGN FOR A LEVEL B IS SO COST PROHIBITIVE IN TERMS OF RIGHT OF WAY AND LAND ACQUISITION.

SO USUALLY DESIGN FOR LEVEL C CONDITION.

AND SO LOOKING AT THIS INTERSECTION, CURRENTLY EVERYTHING'S FUNCTIONING AS A LEVEL C EXCEPT FOR THE LEFT TURN LANE HEADING NORTHBOUND ON DALLAS ONTO EAGLE IS FUNCTIONING AT A LEVEL D, SO THAT'S WHY WE LOOKED AT THE CONDITION OF ADDING THAT DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE AND ALLOWING MORE STACKING LENGTH TO LET THAT STACK UP AND CLEAR OUT THE SIGNAL TIMING.

IF WE GO WITH THE THE MAJOR ALTERNATIVE, THIS WILL BE A FUNCTIONING INTERSECTION.

WE WON'T HIT, I THINK, A LEVEL E ON EAGLE AVENUE, EAGLE DRIVE TURNING SOUTHBOUND ON DALLAS UNTIL 2050.

AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STACKING LENGTH WITH REAL ESTATE LIMITATIONS ON IT.

SO IT WILL BE BETTER THAN WHAT IT IS NOW ALL THE WAY THROUGH 2050.

YOU WANT TO COME UP? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD.

INTRODUCE YOURSELF. YOU KNOW, LIKE AS BRETT MENTIONED, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THE NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN IS THE CRITICAL MOVEMENT IN THE EXISTING CONDITION.

SO IF WE JUST TAKE THE APPROACH DELAY FOR NORTHBOUND THAT IS OPERATING AT LEVEL OF SERVICE, EVEN IF THE OVERALL INTERSECTION IS LIKE WORKING WELL, BUT WHEN WE PROJECT IT TO FUTURE 2050 WITH DUAL RIGHT TURNS AND DUAL LEFT TURNS FOR THE NORTHBOUND MOVEMENT, IT'S GOING TO HELP OUT THE APPROACHES SO THAT IT GETS MORE SPACE TO STACK UP. OKAY.

SO I'M NOT I STILL GOT MORE, YOU KNOW.

GO RIGHT AHEAD. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR.

SO I GUESS THIS MAY BE MY POINT OF CONFUSION, SO PLEASE EDUCATE ME.

AND IT SEEMED LIKE AND MAYBE I JUST MISREAD OR MISUNDERSTOOD THAT THAT DOUBLE F STACKING LANES ACTUALLY TENDED TO WHILE THEY THEY SHORTENED THE THROW OF STACKING, THEY TENDED TO CAUSE CONFUSION AND LOWER THE SERVICE OF THE INTERSECTION.

AM I RIGHT OR WRONG OR.

NO I DON'T I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT OR SEEN THAT BEFORE.

SO THE NORTHBOUND MOVEMENT LIKE THE THE RIGHT TURN IS GETTING A FREE MOVEMENT ANYWAY.

SO THERE IS LIKE A LANE CHANGE THAT CAN HAPPEN LIKE IN THE TOWARDS THE INTERSECTION.

BUT IF WE PROVIDE ADVANCED SIGNAGE THEN PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THEY HAVE TO LIKE GO AND GET STACKED UP IN.

IF THEY WANT TO GO LEFT, THEN THEY CAN LIKE TAKE THAT ADVANCED SIGNAGE AND THEN LIKE GO TO THE LEFT LANE ITSELF AND THEN GET STACKED UP.

WHEN THEY APPROACH TOWARDS THE INTERSECTION AND THE NORTHBOUND RIGHT TURN MOVEMENTS, THEY GET LIKE GET TO GO FREE AS AN EXISTING CONDITION.

FOR THE NORTHBOUND RIGHT TURN MOVEMENT OR MOVEMENT.

SO CURRENTLY THE CURRENT INTERSECTION CONFIGURATION HAS TWO LANES TRAVELING NORTHBOUND ON DALLAS DRIVE.

THE RIGHT LANE ONLY GOES NORTH, STAYS TO THE RIGHT THE WHOLE TIME.

THE LEFT LANE HAS A SIGN ON IT THAT SAYS YOU CAN TURN LEFT OR YOU CAN GO NORTH.

SO THAT LANE, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE VEHICLES THAT ARE TURNING LEFT AT THE INTERSECTION GETS STOPPED AT THE LIGHT AND STACK INTO THAT THAT LEFT HAND LANE.

SO THAT'S BLOCKING THE THROUGH TRAFFIC FROM BEING ABLE TO COME THROUGH.

SO THE VEHICLES THAT WANT TO GO THROUGH CONTINUE NORTH, HAVE TO MERGE OVER TO THE RIGHT HAND LANE WHEN THEY'RE STOPPED IN TRAFFIC TO CONTINUE TRAVELING NORTH.

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SO WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE THAT POSSIBILITY BY HAVING A DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE AND A DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANE.

THE DECISION POINT IS BEFORE THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND THEN BY HAVING THE TWO LANES AT THE AT THE INTERSECTION ALLOWS FOR MORE VEHICLES TO FIT WITHIN THAT QUEUE AND TRAVEL THROUGH THE INTERSECTION THROUGH MULTIPLE LANES INSTEAD OF ONE LANE.

WELL, I'M NOT SURE THAT REALLY ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

I UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE STACKING DISTANCE, BUT IN TERMS OF CONFUSION, THE POTENTIAL FOR ACCIDENTS, LET ME LET ME ASK THEN ABOUT THE THE ROUNDABOUT.

AND I GUESS AT THE BEGINNING YOU WERE SAYING YOU WENT WITH THE THE THREE, THE SIX LANE, THREE, THREE, THREE CIRCULAR LANES FOR I THINK I LOST.

WHY. AND DID YOU EXPLORE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND TRAFFIC PATTERNS OF JUST TWOS INSTEAD OF THREES? CORRECT. YEAH. SO WE STARTED WITH A ONE LANE ROUNDABOUT TRADITIONAL LIKE A ONE LANE ROUNDABOUT, WORKED UP TO A TWO LANE ROUNDABOUT.

WE PUT A 2030 CONSTRUCTION DATE ON THESE, ON THIS PROJECT FOR THE ROUNDABOUT BECAUSE OF ANY NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, DESIGN TIME, CONSTRUCTION TIME.

WHEN THE PROJECT ACTUALLY OPENS.

WE ESTIMATED 2030 WOULD BE A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE FOR OPENING THE TRAFFIC DEMAND FOR A TWO LANE ROUNDABOUT AT TRAFFIC LEVEL.

SORRY, THE TRAFFIC DEMAND IN 2030 EXCEEDS THE CAPACITY OF A TWO LANE ROUNDABOUT THE DAY IT OPENS.

SO IT'S ALREADY FUNCTIONING AT A LEVEL F THE DAY IT OPENS FOR A TWO LANE ROUNDABOUT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO UPSIZE TO A THREE LANE ROUNDABOUT TO SEE IF THAT WOULD WORK.

AND THAT WILL WORK UP TO ABOUT 2040 ISH AND THEN THAT WILL HAVE A LEVEL OF SERVICE BEYOND THAT.

BUT IT DOES IT DOES NOT PROVIDE ANY WAY TO HAVE BIKE PED CONNECTIVITY THROUGH A THROUGH LANE, A THREE LANE ROUNDABOUT AND THE AMOUNT OF RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION REQUIRED WITH THE PURCHASE LAND FROM THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD, THE BUSINESSES TO BE ABLE TO PHYSICALLY FIT THIS DESIGN INTO THAT LOCATION.

BUT THERE'S NO BIKE PED REALLY MAJOR CONNECTIVITY THERE IS IN THAT AREA.

THERE CURRENTLY IS THERE. THERE IS NORTH SOUTH CONNECTIVITY ON THE EAGLE DRIVE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION THERE IS.

OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I'LL ASK ON THIS SUBJECT IS, DID YOU CONSIDER A MODEL WHERE YOU INTEGRATED BECAUSE IT SEEMS THERE'S MAYBE EDUCATE ME AGAIN, THERE'S A VERY SMALL THROW THAT CAUSES STACKING BETWEEN LOCUST AND BELL AS YOU'RE TRAVELING EASTBOUND ESPECIALLY. DID YOU LOOK AT A MODEL WHERE YOU INCORPORATED ALL THOSE ALL THOSE TRAFFIC FLOW PATTERNS INTO ONE THING BECAUSE OF THE VERY SHORT THROW? YEAH. SO ACTUALLY IT'S PART OF OUR CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD BEFORE THIS MEETING AND WE DID LOOK AT AN ALTERNATIVE FOR IT.

WE DIDN'T PRESENT IT HERE, BUT WE DID DISCUSS IT AND WE'LL BE LOOKED AT FURTHER.

AND IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN IS HAVING IF YOU'RE TRAVELING ON DALLAS, DRIVE NORTHBOUND, TURNING LEFT ON TO EAGLE, ABOUT 50% OF THE VEHICLES THAT TURN LEFT ON EAGLE ACTUALLY TURN NORTH ONTO LOCUST BASED ON OUR COUNTS.

AND SO IF WE DEDICATE THAT OUTSIDE LEFT TURN LANE AND JUMP THAT LANE DIRECTLY INTO LOCUST, THAT WILL HELP THE TRAFFIC OF THE INTERSECTION AS WELL. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW DO WE HOW CAN WE CONFIGURE OR HOW CAN WE WAYFIND VEHICLES ON THE OUTSIDE LEFT TURN TO TURN RIGHT ONTO LOCUST STREET? BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT 50% OF THE MOVEMENT THROUGH THE INTERSECTION IS MAKING THAT LEFT ONTO EAGLE OR RIGHT ONTO LOCUST.

AND IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO SHIFT THE THE THE ROUNDABOUT OVER AND HAVE WHAT WOULD THAT MAKE IT FOR FOUR EXITS AND I'M DOMINATING I'M DONE MR. MAYOR AFTER THIS YEAH THE CONCERN WOULD BE THAT THERE'S A BUSINESS THERE'S A BUSINESS HERE.

WE'D HAVE TO TAKE THAT WHOLE BUSINESS, THE WHOLE CORNER OUT TO PUT A ROUNDABOUT IN AND TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THAT MOVEMENT PATTERN OF THE ROUNDABOUT.

WE'D HAVE TO SHIFT THE WHOLE INTERSECTION TO THE WEST.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CAN I PICK UP PICK UP ON MAYOR PRO TEM LEFT OFF IF THE ROUNDABOUT STARTED SOUTH, SLIGHTLY SOUTH AND TO THE WEST.

WHO OWNS THAT LAND RIGHT THERE? COULD THAT BE DONE THERE? NOT WHO OWNS IT, BUT COULD IT BE DONE THAT WAY AND INCLUDE ALL FOUR INTERSECTIONS HERE? WE CAN EVALUATE THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO LIKE I SAID, ROUNDABOUTS BREAK DOWN AFTER A CERTAIN NUMBER OF CARS, REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. COULD THAT BE COULD THAT BE FEASIBLE IF THE ROUNDABOUT WAS PLACED IN THAT SECTION WE LOOKED AT? SO. THE CONFIGURATION WE LOOKED AT IS REGARDLESS OF THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF THE ROUNDABOUT, IT'S JUST THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES ENTERING THE ROUNDABOUT AND LEAVING THE ROUNDABOUT, AND THAT'S INDEPENDENT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIT IT GEOGRAPHICALLY ON THE LOCATION SO WE CAN TRY TO MODEL IT.

IF WE INCORPORATE THE LOCUS CONNECTIVITY INTO THAT AND SEE WHAT WE GET FOR RESULTS.

BUT THE REAL CONSTRAINT WITH THE ROUNDABOUT OPTION IS THIS DISTANCE FROM RIGHT HERE TO THE RAILROAD BRIDGE.

SO THESE CARS, ALL THESE VEHICLES HAVE TO GO FROM MULTIPLE LANES DOWN TO TWO LANES TO GO UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD BRIDGE.

SO WE DON'T HAVE THE PHYSICAL DISTANCE TO ALLOW THAT MERGE TO HAPPEN.

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SO WE'RE REALLY CONSTRAINED AT THAT LOCATION.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. SO OKAY.

AND THANK YOU FOR THAT, BRETT. SO.

TALK ME THROUGH THIS, SO.

I'M A TRUCK DRIVER.

YES, SIR. PART TIME TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

I WANT TO TURN.

I'M GOING SOUTH ON DALLAS DRIVE.

I WANT TO TURN LEFT ON EAGLE.

NORTH ON DALLAS DRIVE. TURN LEFT ON EAGLE.

CORRECT. YES.

YES. SORRY. SO I WANT TO TURN LEFT ON EAGLE, BUT I WANT TO KEEP GOING ON EAGLE.

YES, I GET IN THAT RIGHT LANE AND MY FORCED TO NOW HAVE TO TURN ON LOCUST.

THAT'S WE HAVE NOT GONE TO THAT FAR INTO THE ANALYSIS YET.

SO THERE IS AN OPTION OF HAVING THAT RIGHT TURN LANE DROP INTO LUCAS.

WE HAVE NOT FURTHER PURSUED THAT, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AS AN OPTION WHEN WE GO INTO THE DESIGN PHASE.

BUT WE WOULD NOT WE HAVE NOT RESTRICTED THAT AT THIS MOMENT OR RECOMMENDED THAT RESTRICTION.

OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT.

LOOKING AT THE MAP RIGHT HERE, WHERE ARE THE CROSSWALKS ON THE EXISTING INTERSECTION? SO THE EXISTING INTERSECTION, IF I GO UP TO THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE CROSSWALK RIGHT HERE.

ACTUALLY, IT CROSSES INTO THIS CENTER ISLAND HERE, CROSSES THE INTERSECTION OF THE CENTER ISLAND, COMES UP THE ISLAND AND CROSSES OVER TO BELLE AVENUE.

IF WE WENT WITH OPTION NUMBER TWO, WHERE WOULD THE INCREASED WALK AND BIKE ABILITY BE? IT WOULD BE IT WOULD MAINTAIN THIS.

WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT. WE HAVEN'T INCLUDED THE BIKE PED PORTION OF IT YET, BUT IT WOULD BE A SIMILAR CONFIGURATION.

WHAT WE HAVE NOW PROVIDING FULL CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.

SO OKAY, SO, SO YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT YET.

SO NO, WE HAVE NOT GONE THAT FAR BECAUSE I'M WONDERING HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF BELL.

THE THE EAST SIDE OF BELL.

YES. THERE IS NO PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES ON THE EAST SIDE OF BELL.

OKAY. IF.

OKAY. EXACTLY. OKAY.

UM, HOW MUCH WOULD THE ROUNDABOUT BE? I DIDN'T SEE THAT WE DID NOT GO INTO THE COST BECAUSE THERE WAS NO WAY WE COULD FIT IT.

HOW MUCH RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION ARE WE TALKING FOR? FOR OPTION TWO? AT THIS STAGE, WE DO NOT THINK WE NEED ANY RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION.

YOU DON'T THINK YOU NEED ANY AT ALL? THIS BOTTOM PORTION DOWN HERE IS CITY OWNED LAND WOULD JUST BE MOVING INTO FURTHER INTO CITY OWNED LAND FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE EXTRA LANE.

I GUESS MAYOR PRO TEM TOOK A MAJORITY OF MY QUESTIONS, I GUESS.

NO, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

I'M JUST GOING TO PUT THIS OUT.

GENERALLY, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE MAKING THIS DECISION NOW.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE FOLKS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA MASTER PLAN CONSIDER THIS.

THIS IS KIND OF THIS KIND OF COULD BE LOOKED AT AS AN OPENING TO OUR DOWNTOWN.

I'D LOVE TO LET THOSE FOLKS KIND OF GIVE THIS A LOOK AND MAKE THIS A DECISION.

I WILL I WILL COME RIGHT OUT AND SAY THAT I'M ABSOLUTELY FOR OPTION THREE.

I THINK WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE A ROUNDABOUT WORK.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I IF I MAY FINISH, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT.

LET'S BE CREATIVE.

LET'S BE LET'S USE A LITTLE BIT OF INGENUITY.

I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT A $1.6 BILLION CORPORATION CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK.

ROUNDABOUTS HAVE ABSOLUTE ADVANTAGES AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH THEM IN THE PAST AND OTHER WORK SESSIONS.

I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THEM NOW, BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS INCLUDED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

MASTER PLAN FOR THEM TO TELL US WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THIS.

I THINK THIS IS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO DO THIS.

SO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MS..

CITY MANAGER, YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU A CONSULTANT THAT IS AN EXPERT IN TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT AND ENGINEERING.

YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU A STAFF THAT IS EXPERT IN TRAFFIC.

WHAT YOU HAVE ARE THREE OPTIONS, ONE OF WHICH IS NOT VIABLE BECAUSE WHEN YOU BUILD A ROUNDABOUT, YOU HAVE TO TAKE SO MUCH SPACE CIRCUMFERENCE WISE TO BUILD IT TO MEET THE DEMAND OF THE TRAFFIC.

AND YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE EXPERTS IT'S NOT POSSIBLE OR FEASIBLE.

SO THAT'S NOT AN OPTION YOU ASK US TO DEAL WITH, TO WORK WITH YOU, TO COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU.

IF YOU WANT US TO WAIT UNTIL THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, THAT'S FINE.

BUT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING SIDE BY SIDE WITH OUR FRIENDS AT TWU TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO HAD A HUGE ISSUE WITH THIS HUGE ISSUE AND MEETS THE NEEDS OF TWU TO PROTECT THE STUDENTS ON THIS CAMPUS AS WELL AS ANY OTHER PERSON THAT WANTS TO GO BIKE PED UP AND DOWN WALK, WHICH I THINK THAT WAS THE BIG PURPOSE WAS A LOT OF THE CITIZENS SAID, LOOK, I TRAVELED THIS WAY TO GO TO WORK BACK AND FORTH.

SO THE STAFF TOOK ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND WORKED HIRED A CONSULTANT TO HELP US COME UP WITH A SOLUTION AND WORK WITH TWU THAT WOULD BE PALATABLE FOR EVERYBODY. I'M I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ROUNDABOUTS.

I MEAN, FROM A PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE OR PROFESSIONAL.

BUT YOU EVEN HEARD TREVOR SAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO CREATE TWO SORT OF MINI ROUNDABOUTS FROM BOTH ENTRANCE WAYS THE BEST WE CAN.

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BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL US LOOKING AT A ROUNDABOUT FOR STATION FIVE.

DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER THAT STATION FIVE AND HOW MUCH SPACE WE'D HAVE TO TAKE? AND IT WOULD TAKE PART OF THE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET INTO THE FIRE STATION BECAUSE TO BUILD A ROUNDABOUT IN THAT AREA WOULD EXPAND TOO BIG AND AND WE'D HAVE TO BUY LAND BASICALLY, NOT JUST IN THAT AREA, BUT FURTHER DOWN ON EITHER WAY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE LAND.

SO IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT THAT ON BOTH ENDS.

BUT I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU, YOU HAVE TRAFFIC EXPERTS IN FRONT OF YOU WHO ARE GIVING YOU THE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON OUR WORK WITH T.W., IF YOU WANT TO WAIT, WE CAN DO THAT.

BUT I WOULD SAY WE'VE SAT ON THIS ONE FOR A LONG TIME.

OKAY. WE HAVE SEVEN MINUTES.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND.

DID YOU SPOKE? YEAH. SO LET'S JUST GO AROUND THE CORNER HERE.

COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S JOHN? YEAH, JOHN.

JOHN WANTS. WELL, I WANT TO TAKE JUST A BRIEF MOMENT OF MY TIME IN THE BEGINNING TO SAY THANK YOU STAFF FOR WORKING SO HARD WITH T.W.

TO GET THIS DONE, BUT I WANT TO THANK DR.

FADEN FOR HER TIRELESS LEADERSHIP IN THIS AND, YOU KNOW, ABSORBING THE SLINGS AND ARROWS THAT COME WITH THAT.

AND YOUR LEADERSHIP IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU CAN MOVE AND AND KIND OF MOVE WITH THE FLOW AND TO MAXIMIZE THE INTEREST FOR YOUR INSTITUTION OF WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN A GREAT LEADER FOR THAT INSTITUTION.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANK YOU FOR BEING ABLE TO BE NIMBLE AND TO PRIORITIZE WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOUR STUDENTS, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT I KNOW YOU CARE ABOUT ARE YOUR STUDENTS. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT PUBLICLY TO THANK YOU FOR YOU.

AND I CAME. I BECAME MAYOR AND YOU BECAME CHANCELLOR ABOUT THE SAME TIME.

AND I REMEMBER WHEN I DID THE COMMENCEMENT ADDRESS AND I LOOKED OUT ACROSS THE FACES OF THOSE STUDENTS AND I SAW, FIRST OF ALL, THE ABJECT FEAR OF, OH, MY, WHAT NOW? BUT SECONDLY, THE EXCITEMENT, THE CONFIDENCE, THE RENEWED SENSE OF PURPOSE.

AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THE FAMILY MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE IN THOSE SEATS AND HOW THEY BELIEVED IN THOSE STUDENTS, IT WAS REMARKABLE.

IT WAS QUITE A MOVING EXPERIENCE FOR ME PERSONALLY.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR FRIENDSHIP.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE CAN ALL LEARN FROM SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU BET.

SO MOVE FORWARD WITH WORKING WITH COLLABORATIVELY.

I REALLY WE'RE ALL MISSING THE POINT ON THE ROUNDABOUT.

DID YOU ALL MISS WHAT HE SAID? MAYBE I GOT IT. OR MAYBE I HEARD IT WRONG.

I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE STACKING ON EAGLE DRIVE WAS GOING TO BE 1500 FEET POTENTIALLY.

WHEN THIS IS ALL SAID AND DONE, THAT'S ALMOST BACK TO THE CARROLL BOULEVARD LIGHT, CORRECT, SIR? THAT'S CORRECT. AM I MISSING THAT? IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

SO I WANT EVERYBODY WHO'S SAYING THAT THEY THINK A ROUNDABOUT IS GOOD FOR THIS AREA.

I ENJOY ROUNDABOUTS.

I'M SAYING FOR THIS AREA, WHEN YOU START GETTING CALLS FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S SITTING 1500 FEET BACK, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW LONG THAT WOULD TAKE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE THE THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY, PER SE, TO MOVE INTO THAT.

BELL AVENUE HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO I'M GOING TO I THINK WE NEED TO DO OPTION ONE IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE I THINK THAT PROVIDES SOME RELIEF.

IT'S FAIRLY INEXPENSIVE.

AND ON THE $5 MILLION, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY.

AND I GUESS WAS THIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE THE BELL AVENUE ISSUE? ARE THESE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES? I DON'T KNOW. YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION, BUT I THINK IT'S LOOKING AT HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

BOTH OF THEM WOULD BE IN 2023, 24 DESIGN, AND THEN WE PLAN FOR 24, 25 CIP, WHICH WOULD BE SOMETHING.

SO WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT IT, IT SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE TOGETHER AND THAT'S FINE.

IT'S TWO SEPARATE, TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS, SEPARATE LOCATIONS.

SO YEAH, I'M FOR OPTION ONE JUST TO GIVE SOME RELIEF AND I WILL MAKE THIS COMMENT BECAUSE I DRIVE THIS A LOT.

YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. WHEN YOU TAKE THAT LEFT TURN, 50% GO RIGHT ONTO LOCUST RIGHT NOW, I THINK I THINK THE KEY IS NOT PREVENTING THE RIGHT HAND TURN LANE FROM GOING STRAIGHT.

IT'S PREVENTING THE LEFT HAND TURN FROM TURNING RIGHT.

CORRECT. SO BUT NO, I THINK THESE ARE THESE OPTION ONE IS A GOOD TEMPORARY FIX.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO SOME MORE EXPLORATION ON.

BUT I MEAN, I HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUTS AND WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL IN THIS COMMUNITY.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

AND A 1500 FOOT STACKING LANE, IT'S BAD ENOUGH I COULDN'T I JUST COULDN'T EVEN IMAGINE THAT.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. IF THAT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH US DOING THE $100,000 SOLUTION FIRST? ABSOLUTELY. BUT PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE OF THE FOR THE NEXT CIP PROGRAM TO DO THE 5 MILLION BECAUSE MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS TO LEAVE IT BETTER THAN YOU FOUND IT, WHICH

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IS IMPROVE THIS AREA SO THAT FOR THE NEXT 30 TO 50 YEARS IT'S IT'S HANDLED RIGHT AND THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM AND IT GIVES MULTIMODAL BIKE AND PED, WHICH TO ME IS A BIG CONCERN ALL OVER THE CITY.

ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION, MAYOR, IF I COULD, DURING I'M SORRY, NO.

IN TO SPEAK TO HER QUESTION AS WELL.

I THINK THAT WAS FOR YOU.

OH, IS THAT FOR ME? DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH US DOING THEM ONCE THE FIRST SOLUTION AND THEN PLANNING FOR.

NO, I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S REASONABLE.

AND SO GOING THROUGH BELL AVENUE AT GW PROPER, YOU'VE GOT CROSSWALK CROSSWALKS BUILT IN.

AND ARE THOSE CROSSWALKS GOING TO BE EITHER FIRST OF ALL, THEY'RE GOING TO BE STOP SIGNS STILL AT THE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS.

YES. OKAY.

AND SO THE CROSSWALKS WILL EITHER BE LIGHTED LIKE THEY ARE OUT HERE IN MCKINNEY.

FUNNY STORY. AND I'LL BE QUIET.

I DIDN'T KNOW THIS, BUT WHEN YOU SEE DEER CROSSING SIGNS, YOU THINK IT'S A SCIENCE TO WHERE THEY PUT THEM.

NO, THEY JUST FIND, UNFORTUNATELY, WHERE A DEER TRIED TO CROSS AND, YOU KNOW, SO THEY PUT A SIGN THERE.

THAT'S WHAT I HAVE HEARD IS AN EXPLANATION FOR HOW TEX-DOT DETERMINES WHERE TO PUT THOSE ANIMAL CROSSING SIGNS IS WHERE ANIMALS HAVE TRIED TO CROSS BEFORE, NOT COMPARING STUDENTS TO DEER. NO OFFENSE, NOT COMPARING STUDENTS TO DEER.

I'M JUST SAYING IT'S HARD TO KNOW AND HOW TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE PEOPLE CROSS AT THE SAFER PLACE, RIGHT? SO YEAH, THERE ARE CURRENTLY CROSSWALKS OUT THERE AT THE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS.

OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO DO STUDIES AND WORK WITH T.W.

TO DETERMINE WHERE THE STUDENTS ARE CROSSING.

THAT IS NOT THE SAFEST.

SO PLACES THAT ARE MID-BLOCK OR NOT GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE INTERSECTION AND CROSSING AND THEN INSTALLING THOSE MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS WITH THE FLASHING LIGHTS IN THOSE SECTIONS TO ALLOW THEM A SAFE PLACE TO CROSS THERE BECAUSE THE MEDIANS SHOW IT FOR SURE.

CORRECT? THE TRAILS, YES.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN BYRD.

WELL, OF COURSE, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT I'M A PIONEER WOMAN AND I'VE ALSO STARTED CALLING MYSELF BARBIE ON TOP OF THAT BARBIE.

SO I DO DEFINITELY WANT TO THANK THE TEAM OVER AT TEXAS WOMAN'S UNIVERSITY BECAUSE I DEFINITELY WANT MY ALMA MATER TO BE THE VERY BEST THAT IT COULD BE.

SO I HAD THIS BIG PLAN TO SAY ALL OF THESE WORDS IN REGARDS TO SUPPORTING TEXAS WOMAN'S UNIVERSITY AND HAD JUST VOWED TO DO THE VERY BEST THAT I COULD DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET WHAT THEY NEED.

SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS AS TO HOW THEY ARE GOING TO THE APPROVAL THAT THEY'VE MADE TO TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THAT ON THAT BELL SIDE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I AM GOING TO NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FOR THIS AREA HERE, LOOKING AT, NUMBER ONE, GETTING THAT DONE VERY QUICKLY, IT'S NEEDED RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S A HARD, HARD AREA TO MAKE TO ADJUST TO AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE JUST MOVING INTO OPTION TWO.

FORGET ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT.

IT'S JUST GOING TO JUST BE TOO MASSIVE FOR US TO DEAL WITH.

BUT I THINK WE NEED THE CARE TAKING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

SO I KNOW I DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME AND I'LL JUST LEAVE IT RIGHT THERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER MELTZER.

YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH.

FIRST, I DON'T FIND IT SURPRISING THAT DEER DON'T READ THE SIGNS ANYWAY.

SQUIRREL CROSSING FIRST ON THE ON THE TWU PART.

AND YEAH, CERTAINLY IS A MUCH LOWER PRESSURE CONVERSATION THAN I WAS EXPECTING ON THAT PART OF THE BILL.

WOULD YOU ENVISION BOLLARDS ALONG THE BIKE FACILITY SIMILAR TO WHAT THERE IS BY AA ON HICKORY? SO IT WOULD REALLY DEPEND.

BUT NO, THAT WOULD THE GOAL WOULD BE THAT AS A SEPARATE BIKE LANE.

I UNDERSTAND SEPARATE BIKE LANE BUT ANYTHING SEPARATING THE BIKE LANE FROM THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY NOT.

THAT WOULD NOT BE THE GOAL. THAT'S NOT THE VISION THAT TWU HAS FOR THAT AREA.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD WORK WORK THROUGH AS PART OF THAT DESIGN.

OKAY. I WOULD JUST SORT OF OFFER THAT INTO THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO YOU ON WITH MORE CONVERSATION.

AND THEN BECAUSE IF YOU ENDED UP GOING THAT WAY, THAT CAN STEER PEOPLE WHO ARE PEDESTRIANS CROSSING TO THE CROSSING POINTS, BOTH THE ESTABLISHED ONES AND WHATEVER NEW SORT OF DESIRE LINES YOU HONOR WITH THE CROSSING.

YEAH, I CAME IN HOPING THAT THERE WOULD BE WELL, FIRST OF ALL, HOPING THAT IN THE BACKUP THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE GREATER PARITY SO I COULD SEE COST, COST, COST, GRADE LEVEL, GRADE LEVEL GRADE LEVEL SO WE COULD REACH THE CONCLUSION THAT YOU'RE KIND OF STEERING US TO.

NOW, I WOULD HAVE COME IN THAT WAY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I RESPECT THE MODELING.

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I DON'T COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHY A ROUNDABOUT PROVIDES BACKUP.

I WAS HERE WHEN WE WHEN WE APPROVED THE ROUNDABOUT FOR BONNIE BRAY.

AND PART OF THE ARGUMENT WAS IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE LANE WIDTH BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE STORAGE, YOU KNOW.

SO HERE I'M KIND OF HEARING THE OPPOSITE PICTURE.

SO I APPRECIATE JUST FOR GENERAL UNDERSTANDING, DON'T TAKE TOO LONG, THOUGH, BECAUSE WE'RE OUT OF TIME.

YEAH, NO, NO. UNDERSTANDABLE.

SO THE THE CONFIGURATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO IS THAT THE SOUTHBOUND LANES, YOU CAN SEE HOW QUICKLY THEY NARROW DOWN JUST TO TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION.

SO BECAUSE THERE'S NO RESTRICTION ON THE FLOW OF VEHICLES COMING SOUTH DOWN BELL AVENUE AND THERE'S NO RESTRICTION OF FLOW OF VEHICLES, HAVING TRAVELING EASTBOUND ON EAGLE AVENUE, EAGLE DRIVE, THEY HAVE TO MERGE AND CROSS AND FIT INTO THAT NARROW SECTION DOWNSTREAM.

IT BACKS UP BOTH DIRECTIONS SO THAT WHOLE SIDE OF THE ROUNDABOUT GETS.

IT'S NOT THE NORTHBOUND. CORRECT? YEAH, IT'S ALL SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC THAT BACKS UP.

THAT'S WHY I HIGHLIGHTED THE RAILROAD WAS THE PINCH POINT THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO.

YEAH. NO, NOW THAT THAT HELPS VERY MUCH.

AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT'S A VERY CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTION TO PURSUE ONE AS A QUICK FIX.

AND THEN AND THEN TWO OR WHAT IS IT A AND B, A PLUS B OR NO, IT'S ONE AND TWO.

YEAH. OKAY.

COUNCILMAN HOLLAND, YOU WANT.

OKAY. GOT IT.

ALL RIGHT. SO TO JUST TO WRAP UP, I SUPPORT THE OPTION THAT STAFF'S IDENTIFIED.

I SUPPORT DOING IT IN PHASES ONE AND TWO.

I DO.

I DO WISH THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TOUCHED ON DOWN LINE HERE.

SO ROBERTSON AND MORRISON MILLING BEING FURTHER TO THE NORTH.

THAT'S A REAL BIG CONCERN TO ME.

ALTHOUGH YOU'RE EXPEDITING HERE, DO THOSE 18 WHEELERS EVER GET OUT OF THERE? AND TRAFFIC ON ROBERTSON HAS INCREASED.

SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU EXTEND YOUR VIEW INTO THAT AND COME BACK WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS BECAUSE ROBERTSON IS GETTING WORSE.

IT'S THE ONLY THERE'S TWO THERE'S TWO LOCATIONS, THIS ONE AND ROBERTSON, WHERE YOU CAN CROSS AND AVOID THE TRAIN.

AND THAT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE.

SO I JUST WOULD EXPECT THAT WE DIG INTO THAT A LITTLE DEEPER AND UNDERSTAND THE THE RESIDUAL EFFECTS UPSTREAM, IF YOU WILL, ON ON TWU CAMPUS PROPER.

I WOULD JUST SAY THIS.

I WOULD ASK FOR NOT THE HAWK SIGNALS THAT ARE YELLOW.

I WOULD ASK FOR RED AND I'D ASK FOR IT TO BE A LITTLE LOWER.

SO IT'S EYE LEVEL OR SOME SORT OF THING SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF ADDRESS THAT BETTER.

I JUST HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE HAWK SIGNALS UP HIGHER AND AND THEN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT STATE LAWS CHANGE.

SO I'M A LITTLE I THINK IT SENDS A LITTLE BIT OF A MIXED MESSAGE.

I'M OKAY WITH IT.

BUT THE STOP MID-BLOCK IF TRAFFIC IS COMING BECAUSE STATE LAW SAYS IF THEY'RE ANYWHERE IN THAT CROSSWALK, YOU HAVE TO STOP.

IS THAT IS THAT RIGHT? I BELIEVE SO, YES.

AND SO I DON'T I UNDERSTAND IT.

RIGHT. BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOW THEY FEEL SAFE AND PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS FOLLOW THE LAW.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT THEN IS A CUE FOR US TO COME BACK WITH A OFFICER OR TWO TO SAY, LET'S ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TO READ UP ON THE NEW LAWS.

RIGHT. AND SO THAT THAT TO ME, I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AROUND THAT.

BUT YEAH, SO, SO I UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY COMPONENT, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND PEOPLE NEED TO THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF DRIVING THROUGH THERE, RIGHT? THERE'S A NUMBER OF INTERSECTIONS WHERE IF ANYONE'S IN THERE IN THOSE CROSSWALKS, YOU HAVE TO STOP.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE THE GIST OF WHAT I HAD TO MAKE SURE.

YEAH. AND I'LL JUST.

I'LL JUST SAY THIS.

ALL THIS IS BECAUSE AND THIS IS, THIS IS WHY INITIALLY I GAVE DIRECTION THAT I WAS FINE WITH IT BEING CLOSE.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SAFETY ASPECT OF IT AND NOT TRYING TO DIG THAT BACK UP, BUT JUST TRYING TO SAY, I RECENTLY TRAVELED TO BOULDER, COLORADO.

IT'S ONE OF THE RENOWNED PLACES FOR CYCLING IN THE UNITED STATES.

VERY. THERE'S LOTS OF CYCLISTS, LOTS OF SAFETY ACTIVITY THERE, LOTS OF IT'S AWARENESS.

AND PEOPLE KNOW ALL THOSE THINGS WELL.

JUST THIS PAST WEEK, UNFORTUNATELY.

GET HIS RIGHT NAME RIGHT.

MAGNUS WHITE, 17 YEAR OLD TRAINING FOR THE US USA COMPETITIONS, KILLED RIDING HIS BICYCLE IN AN AREA WHERE THEY MAKE THEY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CYCLE THERE AND MAKE SURE ABOVE AND BEYOND PEOPLE ARE SAFE.

SO EVEN IN THOSE BEST OF LATE OF PLANS.

UNFORTUNATELY, ACCIDENTS HAPPEN.

AND SO THAT'S MY CONCERN IS FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE.

THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE TO READ JUST BECAUSE IT GIVES A DIFFERENT INDICATION TO PEOPLE AND WE CAN MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE SAFE GOING THROUGH THE CAMPUS AND GETTING WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.

SO AND THEN IF YOU CAN GO BACK UP TO YOUR MAP FOR JUST A SECOND.

RIGHT. GO BACK TO THAT.

THAT ONE. NO, THE YES MAN.

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THAT IS AN OUTSTANDING GRAPHIC.

I DON'T KNOW WHOEVER MADE THAT.

THAT'S FANTASTIC.

YES, SIR. THAT THAT.

I NEED MORE OF THAT, RIGHT? THAT IS SUPER.

AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, MISS CITY MANAGER, THAT TRIANGLE THERE WHERE ALL THE TREES ARE IS FOR SALE.

AND. AND IT'S BEEN FOR SALE FOREVER.

AND SO I'D LOVE TO.

THIS ONE HERE. DOWN HERE. YEAH. YEAH.

I'D LOVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

WE COULD. THAT'D BE A GREAT SPOT FOR GERARD NEWMAN.

I'LL TALK TO YOU OFFLINE. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.

YES, SIR. THAT TAKES US TO OUR SECOND ITEM, WHICH IS

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the 2023 Bond Program. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

ID TWO, THREE.

ONE, TWO, FOUR, THREE.

RECEIVE, REPORT, HOLD, DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR.

CITY COUNCIL. KASEY OGDEN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

SO JUST A RECAP OF OUR 2023 BOND DISCUSSION FROM JULY 18TH.

YOU HEARD THE BOND COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION, SO WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE PRIOR BOND PROGRAMS AS WELL AS OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR FROM HILLTOP, LAURA ALEXANDER, IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CITY'S DEBT PROFILE AND BOND CAPACITY.

WE'LL RECAP THE SPECIAL CITIZEN BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS, AS WELL AS THE THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT WERE CHANGED AS PART OF THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN GET DIRECTIONS AND NEXT STEPS FOR CALLING THE ELECTION.

SO FOR THE 2014 BOND PROGRAM, THIS IS THE SUMMARY AS OF JUNE 2023, OF THE REMAINING AMOUNTS OF THE THE TOTAL BOND. YOU CAN SEE THE VOTER APPROVAL AMOUNT OF 98.1 MILLION.

AND THEN WE'VE WE ISSUED ADDITIONAL COS TO COMPLETE THE THE PROJECTS.

SO THE TOTAL 144 MILLION IS COS THAT WERE ISSUED AND SO WE HAVE ABOUT $12 MILLION REMAINING IN THE STREETS. IMPROVEMENTS TO COMPLETE THAT, THAT 2014 BOND PROGRAM.

WE'RE EXPECTED TO WRAP THAT UP THIS SUMMER.

SO YOU CAN SEE JUST SOME PROJECT, QUICK PROJECT HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT WAS COMPLETED IN 2014 THAT INCLUDED OUR FIRE STATION NUMBER FOUR, THE WAVE POOL AT WATERWORKS, THE TRAINING FACILITY FOR FIRE, THE SPRAYGROUND, MAGNOLIA AND HINKLE DRAINAGE PHASE TWO, AS WELL AS PACKAN CREEK DRAINAGE PHASE TWO, THE SOCCER COMPLEX.

AND THEN WE HAD SEVERAL PUBLIC ART PROJECTS AS WELL AS ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.

THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM SUMMARY, YOU CAN SEE 88 MILLION STILL REMAINING.

MOSTLY IN OUR STREET IMPROVEMENTS.

SO THAT IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECTS THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK ON.

WE'RE EXPECTED TO COMPLETE THOSE PROJECTS IN 2026.

WE HAD POLICE FACILITIES, SO THE HEADQUARTER AND THEN THE SUBSTATION AS WELL AS THE GUN RANGE, THE FIRING RANGE PROJECT THAT HAVE ALMOST BEEN COMPLETED AND THEN LAND ACQUISITION FOR PARKS.

SO AGAIN, JUST A QUICK RECAP, RECAP OF THE COMPLETED PROJECTS.

THE POLICE SUBSTATION AND FIRING RANGE HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.

WE'VE COMPLETED 14 ROADWAY SEGMENTS AND ACQUIRED 77 ACRES OF PARKLAND.

AND THEN I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO LAURA ALEXANDER FROM HILLTOP TO TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF OUR DEBT OVERVIEW.

GOOD AFTERNOON. JUST QUICKLY, REMINDER OF A COUPLE OF THINGS TO SET THE STAGE.

SO THE CITY OF DENTON BENEFITS FROM VERY HIGH CREDIT RATINGS, DOUBLE A+ FROM STANDARD AND POOR'S AND FROM FITCH.

THAT'S ONE SORT OF NOTCH SHY OF THE HIGHEST RATING THAT'S OUT THERE, WHICH IS TRIPLE-A.

AND THAT REALLY JUST MAKES YOU BE ABLE TO BORROW AT A LOWER COST.

I WOULD SAY THE ONLY THING THAT KEEPS YOU FROM BEING TRIPLE-A REALLY IS THE GROWTH THAT THE CITY IS EXPERIENCING.

AND THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD THING IN A LOT OF WAYS.

BUT FROM A RATING AGENCY PERSPECTIVE, THEY VIEW THAT AS A LOT MORE DEBT IS LIKELY TO BE COMING AND THEREFORE THEY WANT TO KIND OF TAKE A WAIT AND SEE APPROACH.

JUST JUST TO BE CANDID.

THE OTHER THING I WANT TO FLAG ON THIS IS THAT A LOT OF YOUR DEBT THAT YOU ISSUE THAT HAS A TAX PLEDGE IS ACTUALLY PAID FROM OTHER REVENUES MORE MORE THAN NOT.

SO YOU SEE THOSE NUMBERS AT THE BOTTOM THERE, THE $960 MILLION.

THIS IS AS OF SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

JUST TO BE CLEAN IS YOUR TOTAL TAX DEBT THAT HAS A TAX PLEDGE, BUT IT'S NOT ALL PAID FROM TAXES.

A LOT OF IT'S PAID FROM UTILITY REVENUES, IN PARTICULAR, WATER, WASTEWATER AND ELECTRIC MAKE UP THE LION'S SHARE OF THAT.

SO THE THAT 354 MILLION IS REALLY WHAT'S PAID FROM PROPERTY TAXES.

AND THAT JUST TO BE CLEAR, I HAVE IT ON HERE, BUT THAT'S A REALLY COST EFFECTIVE APPROACH.

THERE'S A REASON WHY YOU DO IT THAT WAY.

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IT'S YOUR LOWEST COST OF FUNDS IS USING YOUR TAX PLEDGE.

AND SO THAT ENDS UP SAVING THE RATEPAYERS AND CITY MONEY.

SO YOUR DEBT OUTSTANDING.

SO THIS IS LIKE YOUR ANNUAL DEBT PAYMENTS EACH YEAR.

THE TOP LINE NUMBER IS THE COMBINED.

SO TOTAL WITH AGAIN, WITH A TAX PLEDGE BEHIND IT.

THE LIGHT BLUE AT THE BOTTOM IS THE AMOUNT THAT'S ACTUALLY PAID FROM PROPERTY TAXES.

AND THE DARK BLUE IS PAID FROM SORT OF OTHER REVENUES.

AND THAT DECLINING PATTERN IS IS A VERY ADVANTAGEOUS STRUCTURE.

SO AS DEBT ROLLS OFF, YOU TEND TO SELL NEW DEBT AND WE'LL STILL LAYER IT IN AND YOU'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS DECLINING DEBT PROFILE, WHICH GIVES YOU ADDITIONAL DEBT CAPACITY AS YOU GO FORWARD.

OVER THE YEARS, WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE CITY TO HELP SAVE YOU GUYS MONEY WHENEVER WE CAN AND WHENEVER RATES ARE SUCH THAT WE CAN CREATE SOME DEBT SERVICE SAVINGS, WE'LL REFUND. IT'S LIKE REFINANCING YOUR MORTGAGE.

WE REFUND DEBT. THIS IS JUST A QUICK RECAP OF OF THE CITY'S SORT OF PRUDENT FINANCIAL PRACTICES IN THE PAST IS WHERE WE'VE SAVED, YOU KNOW, ALMOST $14 MILLION FOR THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST SORT OF FACTOR IN TERMS OF DEBT CAPACITY AND IMPACT TO THE TAX RATE IS REALLY YOUR TAX BASE, RIGHT? SO THE TAXABLE VALUE GROWTH THE CITY'S EXPERIENCED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT NEW INFORMATION TO YOU, BUT EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT GROWTH EACH YEAR.

AND IN THE CURRENT YEAR OR FOR THE NEW CERTIFIED VALUE IS ACTUALLY I THINK A LITTLE OVER 16%, A LITTLE OVER 16%.

SO ANOTHER BANNER YEAR IN TERMS OF GROWTH.

AND AS A REMINDER, THE DEBT TAX RATE BENEFITS FULLY FROM THAT GROWTH, UNLIKE THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS SIDE.

RIGHT. WHICH GETS CAPPED ESSENTIALLY.

RIGHT. SO THIS GROWTH REALLY DOES HELP KEEP YOUR DEBT TAX RATE LOW.

THINGS HAVE GONE THE WRONG WAY SO QUICK.

TEN YEAR HISTORY OF THE TOTAL TAX RATE.

THE CITY TAX RATE BACK IN 2013 WAS AROUND ALMOST $0.70 AND NOW IT'S DOWN TO $0.56.

MOST OF THAT IMPROVEMENT HAS BEEN ON ON THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION SIDE.

SO AND AGAIN, AS A REMINDER, THE MAINTENANCE OPERATION SIDE IS INDEPENDENT FROM THE DEBT SIDE AND THE DEBT PART OF THE TAX RATE.

SO THE RED PART IN THIS CASE GOES TO PAY THE TAX SUPPORTED DEBT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, NOT THE WHOLE 960 MILLION, BUT THE 354 MILLION.

UH, LET'S SEE, THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM WHEN WE FORECAST THIS SORT OF STEPPING BACK.

WHEN I WAS IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS BEFORE YOU CALLED THAT ELECTION, WE WERE ANTICIPATING UNDER ALL OF THE ASSUMPTIONS WHICH WERE VERY CONSERVATIVE AT THE TIME, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DEFINITELY OVER DELIVER AND UNDER PROMISE SORT OF IN THIS CASE, THE THREE AND ONE HALF CENTS IS WHAT WE HAD FORECAST WOULD BE THE IMPACT TO THE TAX RATE.

AND SO FAR, ACTUALLY, THE TAX RATE HAS ACTUALLY GONE SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN WHERE WE STARTED.

THE $0.21, IT'S NOW 20.4 CENTS.

AND LASTLY, SO THE STAFF ASKED ME TO RUN THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, BOND SIZING SCENARIOS FOR THE BOND PROGRAM.

THIS IS THE MAXIMUM DEBT SERVICE TAX RATE IMPACT.

SO AGAIN, IF WHATEVER'S HAPPENING ON THE MAINTENANCE OPERATION SIDE IS INDEPENDENT OF THIS, IF THAT TAX RATE IS GOING DOWN, WHICH HAS BEEN THE HISTORY GIVEN THE TAX BASE GROWTH, THE TOTAL TAX RATE COULD STILL BE DECREASING, BUT THE DEBT TAX RATE COULD IN FACT BE GOING UP.

WE RAN IT WITH VERY CONSERVATIVE ASSUMPTIONS.

SO THIS IS BASED ON A SIX YEAR IMPLEMENTATION ANNUAL BOND SALES WITH A 20 YEAR TERM MORTGAGE STYLE.

SO KIND OF LEVEL PAYMENTS IS HOW WE'VE STRUCTURED THIS ALL.

AND WE ASSUMED 5% BORROWING COST FOR EVERY BOND ISSUE, WHICH IS WAY ABOVE MARKET RIGHT NOW.

BUT BASED ON YOUR MOST RECENT SALE, THE 20 YEAR BORROWING COSTS FOR THE CITY IS AROUND 3.6%.

WE ARE IN, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE'VE BEEN IN VERY UNUSUAL TIMES IN TERMS OF ALL THE RATE INCREASES AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FORECAST WHERE RATES ARE GOING TO BE IN SIX YEARS AT ALL.

AND SO WE TEND TO JUST TAKE A REALLY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH.

SO I WANT TO FLAG THAT. THAT 5% INTEREST RATE THAT WE HAVE BAKED INTO THIS IS INTENTIONALLY CONSERVATIVE, AND I CERTAINLY HOPE IT COMES IN LOWER THAN THAT.

BUT WE HAVE SEEN I MEAN, EVEN LAST FALL, RATES SPIKED UP ABOVE 4% FOR THE CITY.

SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YES, IT'S CONSERVATIVE.

AND, YOU KNOW, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU TELL THE VOTERS, WE CAN WE CAN WE CAN LIVE WITH.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE USED IS THE CITY'S ASSUMPTION WITH HOW YOU GUYS MANAGE YOUR BUDGET PROCESS IS THAT 4.7, 7% ANNUAL GROWTH IN THE TAX BASE.

SO WE BASED ALL OF THE ASSUMPTIONS ON THAT.

SO BASICALLY WE PUT ALL THAT INTO OUR MODEL AND WHAT COMES OUT BASED ON THE TWO DIFFERENT THREE DIFFERENT SIZINGS FOR A $287 MILLION BOND PROGRAM, WE'D BE LOOKING AT A POTENTIALLY 5.2 CENT DEBT SERVICE TAX RATE INCREASE.

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SO THAT'S PER $100 OF VALUE.

AND FOR $309 MILLION PROGRAM, IT'S THE 5.7 $0.06 AND THEN 335 MILLION AT 6.3 $0.05.

AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT THIS IS ALSO INCLUDES THE REMAINDER OF THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM THAT HASN'T BEEN SOLD AND SOME PLANNED CO ISSUANCES THAT HAVE YET TO BE ISSUED BUT ARE PART OF THE LONGER CAPITAL PLAN OF THE CITY.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

JUST BEFORE YOU GO.

AND YOU HAVE MORE. CASSIE BUT DOES THAT CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION OR IS THERE? YEAH. INCLUDES MY PART OF THE PRESENTATION.

OKAY. JUST FOR YOUR PART, THOUGH, THE THE NUMBER CHANGED WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND THE COST.

DID YOU MODEL THAT? SO WAS A 400 MILLION IS WHAT WITH THE INCREASED CONSTRUCTION COSTS ETCETERA.

YOU PRESENTED THAT AT THE LAST BOND COMMITTEE MEETING.

SO I'M TRYING TO SEE IF WE HAVE THAT NUMBER.

SO WE MODELED WHAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED, WHICH WAS THE 287 MILLION VERSUS THE 309 IS THE INCLUDING THE COSTS FOR THE FULL PROJECT OF DOMINGO MINGO QUIET ZONE AND THE LIBRARY BACK UP TO 48 MILLION, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MINUTE.

AND THEN THE MAX THAT THE COMMITTEE WAS GIVEN.

OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL CAN INCREASE THE 335 MILLION, BUT THE COMMITTEE WAS GIVEN THE MAX OF 335 MILLION.

SO WE MODELED THOSE THREE, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY MODEL MORE IF YOU'D LIKE.

BUT EVEN SO, THE 335 WAS BASED ON NUMBERS THAT WERE THEN YOU UPDATED SO, SO THAT SAME AUTHORITY.

OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T CONVEY.

BUT IF THE STAFF IF THE COMMITTEE CAME BACK WITH A FULL RECOMMENDATION, IT WOULD BE HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY WERE ALLOWED.

I BELIEVE IT WAS GOING TO BE $411 MILLION.

YES, YOU'RE CORRECT.

SO WE DIDN'T MODEL THAT.

WE HAVEN'T. WE CAN DO THAT, CERTAINLY.

OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF THINGS? JUST. WELL, COUNCILMEMBER MELTZER HAD HIS HAND AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER WATTS.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A PERENNIAL ISSUE.

IT'S TO THE ADVANTAGE OF POLICYMAKERS AND PEOPLE EXPOSED TO THE PUBLIC TO SHOW DECLINING TAX RATES AND IMPLY THAT WE'VE LOWERED TAXES.

BUT THAT SUGGESTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S NOT IN RESPONSE TO CHANGES IN VALUES.

SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR THE SAME KIND OF LOOK, YOU KNOW, LONGITUDINALLY OF THE AVERAGE TAX BILL, STILL SUBJECT TO SOME OTHER FACTORS, WHETHER PEOPLE ARE BUILDING BIGGER OR SMALLER HOUSES OR WHATEVER.

BUT SOME INDICATION OF IS MY ARE MY TAXES GOING UP OR DOWN? HAVE THEY BEEN GOING UP OR GOING DOWN? AND NOT THAT THEY SHOULD NEVER MOVE IN ABSOLUTE DOLLARS.

I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN IN INFLATIONARY TIMES FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'D BE HELPFUL, I THINK, FOR ME AND FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW, HAS THEIR TAX BILL BEEN GOING UP AND HAS IT BEEN GOING UP BY MORE OR LESS THAN THE RATE OF INFLATION? AND IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED EXPECTED TO DO WHAT TO THE AVERAGE TAX BILL AND VERSUS INFLATION? AND THEN JUST ONE MORE ITEM.

I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW IF YOU HAVE PROJECTED LOOKED IN THE PAST HISTORICALLY AND PROJECTED WHAT OUR DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE RATIOS WILL LOOK LIKE.

OUR ABILITY TO COVER THE DEBT SERVICE, YOU KNOW, IS THAT.

GREATER, LESSER ABOUT THE SAME.

THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

SO ON THE FIRST ONE, I'M GOING TO SAY MAYBE THAT'S A LITTLE MORE HOMEWORK FOR ME AND LESS CASSIE HAPPENS TO KNOW.

BUT ON THE TOTAL TAX RATE YOU KNOW IMPACT AGAIN I'M I HAVE A PRETTY FOCUSED SIDE ON THE DEBT SIDE I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT FACTORS FOR THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE WHAT PEOPLE'S TAX BILLS ARE ACTUALLY BEEN GOING GIVEN THAT $0.70 DOWN TO $0.56.

I'M NOT SURE I SAID MAYBE I'LL DEFER TO THEM ON THE DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE.

QUESTION SO THAT CONCEPT, AS IT RELATES TO BONDS WITH A PROPERTY TAX PLEDGE IS NOT A CREDIT FACTOR AS MUCH BECAUSE YOU ARE REQUIRED TO LEVY THE A TAX RATE SUFFICIENT TO COVER THE DEBT.

AND SO IT'S REALLY JUST A ONE TIMES COVERAGE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

THE CITY DOESN'T OVER LEVY A TAX RATE LIKE YOU DON'T LEVY TO TO CREATE ANY KIND OF BUFFER THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONSERVATISM AND SAY THE COLLECTION PERCENTAGE AND YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DEBT SERVICE FUND BALANCE.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S TO THE PENNY TIGHT, BUT UNLIKE FOR REVENUE BONDS LIKE THE UTILITY SYSTEM, THEY WOULD HAVE A COVERAGE SORT OF CUSHION AND SET RATES AND CHARGES PROBABLY TO HAVE A 1.2, FIVE TIMES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE.

SO THEY WOULD GENERATE AN ADDITIONAL 25% IN COVERAGE THAT PROBABLY FLOWS INTO THEIR CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND IF THEY HAVEN'T SPENT IT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MAKE SURE I'M FOLLOWING.

SO FOR FOR THIS SORT OF DEBT, FOR PROPERTY TAX PLEDGE DEBT, IT'S IT'S A IT'S A PURE MATCH.

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IS THE IDEA PRETTY PRETTY MUCH YEAH.

BUT ISN'T IT ISN'T THERE STILL A MEANINGFUL MEASURE, EVEN IF NOT FOR BOND RATING AGENCIES, BUT FOR US IN TERMS OF OUR TOTAL REVENUES AND OUR TOTAL DEBT SERVICE OBLIGATIONS? JUST AS A GAUGE OF COMFORT STEWARDSHIP, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR BENEFIT, NOT, LIKE I SAID, NOT FOR THE BOND RATING.

RIGHT, RIGHT. I MEAN, THERE'S LIKE I SAID, YOU MAY CARRY A DEBT SERVICE FUND BALANCE LIKE A PERMANENT RESERVE THAT THAT YOU COULD LEVY IF IT WERE GETTING, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU COULD SPEND IF YOU NEEDED TO, IF IT WERE TIGHT.

BUT THE RATE SETTING PROCESS REALLY TAKES INTO ACCOUNT YOUR OBLIGATIONS ARE SET FOR 2024.

AND WHEN YOU GO SET THAT DEBT TAX RATE, IT'S A KNOWN ENTITY AND THE CERTIFIED ROLES AND LIKE I SAID, THE BUDGET OFFICES PROBABLY ADDS A LITTLE CONSERVATISM INTO WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, SETTING IT OFF OF.

BUT THAT'S REALLY, REALLY A SIMPLE DIVISION EXERCISE.

YEAH, IT REALLY IS A ONE TIME THING.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. ON OUR SIDE, MAYBE THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE SURPRISING, BUT THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.

THANK YOU. SO I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THE TAX BILL.

THANK YOU. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU PUT UP THE TOTAL DEBT OF 960 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEN YOU JUST PARSED IT OUT BETWEEN REVENUE THAT WE RECEIVED TO PAY THAT DEBT. BUT THE 960,000 OR 960 MILLION, IF FOR SOME REASON THAT REVENUE DRIED UP, WE THAT IS ALL PLEDGED PROPERTY TAX, CORRECT DEBT.

SO AND THE ADVANTAGE THEN OF SPLITTING IT OUT LIKE THAT IS TO IS IT JUST FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES? I MEAN, IN THE END, THE PROPERTY TAX IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THAT DEBT GUARANTOR, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, RIGHT? THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT. AND WE HAVE.

AND WE HAVE. OKAY.

SO AND I GUESS WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE DEBT SERVICE COMPONENT OF THE TAX RATE THAT IT IS THE O&M IS CAPPED TO A 3.6% BASED UPON LEGISLATURE AND ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS.

SO IF YOU HAVE AND WHEN YOU SAY GROWTH, YOU MEAN BOTH IN EXISTING ASSESSED VALUE THAT WE GO FROM MY HOUSE GOES FROM 100 TO 120.

AND THEN ALSO WE BENEFIT THAT THAT TAX RATE COMPONENT, TAX RATE OF THE TAX RATE BENEFITS FROM THE NEW CONSTRUCTION GROWTH.

IN OTHER WORDS, NEW VALUE THAT COMES ON, WHICH IS EXCLUDED FROM THE O&M CALCULATION OF NO NEW TAXES.

SO IF YOU HAD EITHER LOWER GROWTH IN ASSESSED VALUES OR YOU HAD LOWER GROWTH IN NEW VALUES, THAT WOULD PUT PRESSURE ON THAT COMPONENT OF THE TAX RATE TO TO RAISE IT.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP IT DOWN BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SO MUCH GROWTH EITHER IN EXISTING TAX ASSESSED VALUES AND OR NEW CONSTRUCTION GROWTH.

IS THAT. YEAH, NO, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUMMARY OF THAT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S IT.

THAT'S IT. MAYOR, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER FINANCIAL QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU. SO AND COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER TO YOUR POINT, BASED ON THE 5.7 CENTS, IT WOULD BE $198.70 A YEAR.

SO ABOUT $16 AND 56 PER MONTH BASED ON THE CURRENT AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL HOME VALUE.

OKAY. AND YOU KNOW, IN WHATEVER SPARE, YOU KNOW, SPARE TIME AND JUST I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING YEAR OVER YEAR HAVE WE BEEN INCREASING FOR THE TOTAL MAX? SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE.

RIGHT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE INCREASE ALL AT ONCE.

JUST LIKE THE 2019 BOND.

THAT WAS A SIX YEAR PROGRAM.

SO THAT WAS THE MAX.

WE INCREASED THE TOTAL RATE.

BUT AGAIN, LIKE LAURA SAID, WE ACTUALLY NEVER INCREASED THE DEBT TAX RATE THAT MUCH.

SO THEY DIDN'T SEE THAT INCREASE.

IT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN JUST KNOWING THE PUBLIC'S LIVED EXPERIENCE OVER THE LAST HOWEVER MANY YEARS.

YOU WANT TO. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE OODLES OF TIME JUST AND I DON'T NEED IT RIGHT NOW.

JUST HAVE HAVE THEIR BILLS BEEN GOING AVERAGE BILL BEEN GOING UP OVER SEVERAL YEARS AND THEN AND THEN LOOK I LOOKED DIFFERENTLY ON THIS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING PEOPLE WILL VOTE ON AND THEY SEE WHAT THEY GET AND THEY SEE HOPEFULLY THEY WILL SEE THE IMPACT ON THE AVERAGE TAX BILL BEFORE THEY VOTE.

AND IT'S UP TO THEM.

SO THE AVERAGE TAX BILL HAS BEEN GOING UP BECAUSE THE AVERAGE ASSESSED VALUE HAS GONE UP SUBSTANTIALLY.

I MEAN, THIS YEAR MORE THAN COMPENSATING FOR THE RATE GOING DOWN.

THAT'S MY POINT. OKAY.

SO JUST TO RECAP, THE SPECIAL CITIZEN BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS FORMED ON APRIL 4TH.

IT WAS COMPRISED OF 40 PEOPLE.

OUR CHAIR AND AND CHAIR PRO TEM ARE KEVIN OR KEVIN RODEN AND SUSIE.

RUMOR WE HAD SIX MEETINGS BETWEEN MAY AND JULY PLUS A FACILITY TOUR AND THE THE CHARGE WAS TO NOT EXCEED THE

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$335 MILLION.

AND THE COMMITTEE LOOKED AT THE FOLLOWING PROPOSED PROJECTS.

SO QUALITY OF LIFE PARKS AND REC, CITY FACILITIES, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, ROADWAY DRAINAGE AT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND THEN THE COMMITTEE ALSO CONSIDERED THE INCLUSION OF PUBLIC ART FUNDING.

AND SO JUST LIKE WE SHOWED YOU IN JULY, THIS WAS THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION.

SO 5 TO 6, THEY THE COMMITTEE REVISED THE RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE CONSIDER RELOCATING FIRE STATION SIX, BUT DID NOT INCREASE THE FUNDING FOR ANY LAND ACQUISITION ASSOCIATED WITH MOVING THE FIRE STATION.

AND THEN THEY INCREASED THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THE STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED 10 MILLION, THEY INCREASED THAT TO 15 MILLION.

AND THEN SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY, THEY REDUCED THE PROPOSED AMOUNT, WHICH WAS 50.8 MILLION.

THEY REDUCED THAT TO 38 MILLION AND RECOMMENDED EXPANDING ON THE EXISTING SITE.

AND THEN THE MINGO ROADWAY AND QUIET ZONE PROJECT, THEY EXCLUDED THE RURAL PORTION OF THE PROJECT THAT WAS PRESENTED AND THEY REDUCED THE TOTAL AMOUNT BY $12.8 MILLION.

THEY ALSO DID INCLUDE PUBLIC ART FUNDING FOR THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.

SO 2.1 MILLION INCLUDED FOR FOR PUBLIC ART.

AND SO JUST WE WANTED TO GIVE COUNCIL SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECTS THAT WERE CHANGED.

SO JUST GET SOME MORE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD AND WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE BOND PROPOSITIONS.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO FIRST PROJECT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IS SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY.

I'M GONNA ASK JENNIFER TO COME UP AND PROVIDE YOU SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY.

HELLO. JENNIFER BECKER, DIRECTOR OF LIBRARIES.

AND I WANTED TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT WE PROPOSED FOR SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY.

ONE THING THAT YOU'LL NOTE ON THIS SLIDE IS THAT THERE WAS A COST MODIFICATION.

THE COST ESTIMATE FROM JUNE INCLUDED LAND ACQUISITION AND EASEMENT.

HOWEVER, THAT'S ALREADY ACTUALLY IN CONTRACT RIGHT NOW.

SO THOSE COSTS HAVE BEEN REDUCED.

SO THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL WOULD BE FOR 48.5 MILLION.

SOUTH BRANCH WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED TO MOVE AND BE A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY.

THE CURRENT FACILITY COULD BE REUSED FOR OTHER CITY OFFICES OR IF FIRE STATION SIX WERE TO BE RELOCATED.

THE BRANCH LOCATION CURRENTLY STRUGGLES WITH VISIBILITY, EASE OF ACCESS AND LACK OF OUTDOOR SPACE THAT COULD BE USED FOR CLASSES AND EVENTS OR OUTDOOR READING STUDIES SIMILAR TO THE NOOK PARK AT EMILY FOWLER LIBRARY.

ANOTHER POINT THAT WE CONSIDERED WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT LOCATING SOUTH BRANCH WITH THAT PROPOSAL IS THE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN PARKS AND GREEN SPACE.

AND WITH THE CURRENT LOCATION OF SOUTH BRANCH, IT'S VERY LANDLOCKED, HEAVY TRAFFIC JUST SURROUNDED BY CEMENT BASICALLY, AND LOOKING FOR A MORE HOLISTIC PLAN TO HAVE CITY OPERATIONS AND FACILITIES TOGETHER IF POSSIBLE.

SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOUTH BRANCH CURRENTLY.

SOUTH BRANCH IS OUR SMALLEST LOCATION.

IT IS ALSO THE BUSIEST LOCATION.

IT HAS THE HIGHEST PHYSICAL CIRCULATION CIRCULATION OF MATERIALS OF ALL THE ALL THE LIBRARY FACILITIES.

AND I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT IT IS OPEN THE LEAST OF ALL OF THE LIBRARY FACILITIES.

SO IT IS A HOPPING BRANCH.

IT IS OPEN 61 HOURS A WEEK, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

WE WOULD LOVE TO OFFER MORE HOURS.

WE HAVE NO SPACE TO EVEN ASK FOR MORE STAFF.

SO WE ARE VERY CONSTRAINED IN SIZE THERE.

SOUTH BRANCH ALSO SERVES THE LARGEST NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WHEN WE LOOK AT ROOFTOPS AND INDIVIDUALS LIVING IN THOSE ROOFTOPS.

SO THEIR SERVICE AREA, WHICH WE CONSIDER 2.5 MILE RADIUS BETWEEN EACH BUILDING.

SOUTH BRANCH SERVES THE LARGEST POPULATION WITHIN THE CITY.

AND WE DEVELOPED OUR PROPOSAL BASED ON THE LIBRARY FACILITIES MASTER PLAN, WHICH WAS DEVELOPED IN 2019.

IT INCLUDED COMMUNITY INPUT WAS APPROVED BY THE LIBRARY BOARD IN FEBRUARY OF 2020 AND ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER OF 2020.

THAT PLAN WAS DEVELOPED WITH ANALYSIS FROM COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.

WE HAD FOCUS GROUPS, COMMUNITY INPUT SESSIONS, LIBRARY SURVEYS, CURRENT USE OF THE FACILITIES ACROSS THE CITY, OPERATIONS AND SERVICES. THE CONSULTANT ALSO WORKED WITH THE CITY OF DENTON 2030 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WAS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT THAT TIME.

THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THAT FACILITIES MASTER PLAN, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN USING AS A GUIDE FOR ALL OF OUR FUTURE PLANNING FOR THE LIBRARY SYSTEM IS TO REPLACE SOUTH BRANCH WITH A NEW 40,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY LOCATED AT LEAST ONE MILE AND IDEALLY 2 TO 3 MILES SOUTH

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SOUTHWEST OF THE EXISTING LOCATION.

WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH IS AN OPERATIONS BASED PLAN FOR THE LIBRARY, THIS LAST YEAR WE DID ANOTHER SURVEY AND A LOT OF THE FINDINGS REITERATED THOSE SAME THINGS THAT WE SAW IN THE MASTER FACILITY PLAN.

THERE IS DEMAND FOR MORE SPACE, MORE CLASSES AND EVENTS, WHICH WE CURRENTLY CANNOT DO BECAUSE THERE'S NOT SPACE EXPANDED HOURS HAVING A MAKER SPACE. THERE IS NO LOCATION FOR THAT IN OUR CURRENT FACILITY AND A HIGH DEMAND OF DRIVE THROUGH FOR A DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW AND BOOK DROP, WHICH IS NOT ONLY CONVENIENT FOR ANYBODY WITH KIDS OR IF IT'S RAINING OUTSIDE, BUT IT ALSO IS AN ACCESSIBILITY ISSUE.

AND THAT IS THE SOUTH BRANCH PROPOSAL.

OKAY. ARE WE ARE WE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM AT FIRST? OR YOU CAN ASK, OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE LIBRARY AND MINDFUL OF THE COMMENTARY IS FANTASTIC.

BUT I REALLY I MEAN, WITH THE TIME WE HAVE AND WE HAVE A HARD STOP, IF WE COULD DIVE RIGHT INTO QUESTIONS BECAUSE I EXPECT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT FOR EACH OF THESE.

BUT YOU ALL SEE THE CLOCK AS WELL AS I DO.

COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND, THANK YOU.

I UNDERSTOOD THAT SOUTH BRANCH WAS TO BE ENLARGED.

THE BOND COMMITTEE MADE A RECOMMENDATION FOR US TO STAY IN THE SAME LOCATION AND EXPAND, AND THEY REDUCE THE AMOUNT.

OUR CONCERN IS WE DON'T WE HAVE NO PLAN OR WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT MIGHT COST.

IS THAT SITE IF THE FIRE STATION MOVED, WOULD THAT SITE BE EVEN FEASIBLE FOR US TO EXPAND ON TO TO MEET OUR SERVICE NEEDS? IT CERTAINLY WOULDN'T MEET THE NEEDS OF THE LOCATION, ACCESS, GREEN SPACE ISSUES.

SO THAT'S WHY THE THAT'S HOW THE PROJECT WAS MODIFIED AS PART OF THE BOND.

OKAY. SO THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

THE ENLARGEMENT OF THE SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY.

THE BOND COMMITTEE CHANGED THE PROJECT.

YEAH. OKAY.

AS FAR AS LOCATION, YOU'RE IN THE BACKYARD OF OF ONE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND DOWN THE STREET FROM ANOTHER AND ABOUT TWO MILES FROM RYAN HIGH SCHOOL FROM GUYER HIGH SCHOOL. IS THAT NOT IS THAT NOT AN IDEAL LOCATION? THE LOCATION THAT WE CURRENTLY ARE PURCHASING RIGHT NOW IS NEARBY, ANOTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL EVEN CLOSER TO GUYER HIGH SCHOOL.

IT'S VERY CONVENIENT AND IT DOES NOT HAVE THE TRAFFIC ISSUES AND ACCESSIBILITY AND VISIBILITY ISSUES THAT THE CURRENT LOCATION HAS.

I KEEP HEARING GREEN SPACE ABOUT LIBRARIES.

I, I PROMISE YOU I DID NOT SPEND A GREAT DEAL OF TIME IN A LIBRARY, BUT I NEVER WENT TO A LIBRARY AND SAID, AND I THINK I'LL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME GREEN SPACE.

DO MANY OF YOUR PATRONS GET A GET A BOOK AND GO OUTSIDE AND READ? WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW.

OUR NORTH BRANCH LIBRARY HAS A LOVELY OUTDOOR SPACE, WHICH SINCE THAT IS ALSO RIGHT NEXT TO STRICKLAND MIDDLE SCHOOL, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY AFTER SCHOOL, ABOUT HALF OF OUR 75 TEENS THAT COME AFTER SCHOOL HANG OUT OUTSIDE AT EMILY FOWLER HERE, THERE'S A LOVELY PARK THAT WAS DEVELOPED WITH GRANTS FROM THE ROTARY AND THE EMILY FOWLER LIBRARY FOUNDATION.

AND OF COURSE, WE GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC HERE FROM THE QUAKERTOWN PEOPLE WHO ARE ENJOYING THE PARK, THE CIVIC CENTER, THE CIVIC CENTER POOL.

THERE'S JUST A LOT OF CROSS CROSS USE.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT WHENEVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GREEN SPACE.

AS SOMEBODY WALKING ON THE TRAIL, THEY CAN STOP INTO THE LIBRARY.

LIBRARY WITHIN GREEN SPACE CAN ALSO PROVIDE SOME EMERGENCY SHELTER.

IF SOMEBODY NEEDS TO COME IN AND GET SOME WATER, USE THE RESTROOM OR THERE'S A HAZARDOUS WEATHER CONDITION.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

OKAY. AND I'M GOING TO I SAW SOME OTHER HANDS OVER HERE, BUT COUNCILMAN MCGEE HAS A FOLLOW UP AND THEN WHO ELSE? OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST WANTED TO ASK ONE QUESTION.

I WAS GOING OVER THIS THIS WEEKEND.

I WASN'T QUITE SURE WE MEANT I WENT BACK AND I LOOKED AT THE THE MAP AND I DROVE THERE THIS WEEKEND.

THE RELOCATION IS GOING TO ADDRESS VISIBILITY.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN? SO THE VISIBILITY PIECE, WHEN SOUTH BRANCH WAS BUILT, THERE WERE PLANS FOR DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS AND THE FIRE STATION WERE THE FIRST THINGS BUILT UP DOWN IN THAT AREA OF TOWN.

SO WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING ALONG.

TEASLEY YES, YOU CAN EASILY IDENTIFY THE LIBRARY.

CURRENTLY, THE AREA IS SO BUILT UP AND THAT TRAFFIC IS SO BUSY THAT WE WE HEAR FROM PATRONS WHO ARE NEW TO THE LIBRARY OR AREN'T QUITE SURE WHERE THAT BRANCH IS. WHEN THEY FINALLY GET THERE, THEY'LL SAY, WELL, I HAD TO PASS IT FOUR TIMES BEFORE I SAW IT.

SO COUNCILWOMAN MELTZER YEAH.

THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I TOTALLY GET THE VISION THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, I'M AWARE THAT WE HAD

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40 VERY SMART, COMPETENT PEOPLE DISCUSSING THIS, SOME WITH LIBRARY EXPERIENCE.

IS THERE ANYTHING THIS QUESTION IS NOT NECESSARILY JUST FOR YOU, JENNIFER.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN GLEAN FROM FROM THEIR INPUT THAT WE CAN USE CONSTRUCTIVELY, OR IS IT JUST THEY'RE ALL WRONG? YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THAT THE MOTIVATING POINT WAS THAT IT WAS THAT IT'S A RECENTLY 2009 EXPANDED RENOVATED BUILDING.

AND IT JUST SEEMED LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A WASTE TO JUST KNOCK IT DOWN AND PUT SOMETHING ELSE UP.

BUT SO I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS THAT THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE WITH THAT INVESTMENT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE AS AS THE STAFF HAVE ANY RESPONSE TO THAT INPUT FROM THE COMMITTEE OTHER THAN.

NO, I MEAN, I WILL SAY THIS.

I SAID I THINK THAT YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.

I MEAN, THE FOLKS ON THE ON THE COMMITTEE WERE SEVERAL WERE WORRIED ABOUT.

WE JUST DID SOME UPGRADES IN 2009.

BUT I WILL SAY, THIS COMMITTEE, THEY HAD SEVERAL LOUD VOICES WHO JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND THAT MUCH ON A LIBRARY.

AND I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE 38 MILLION WAS AN ARBITRARY NUMBER, NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS THOUGHT THROUGH AS TO HOW MUCH IT WOULD TRULY COST.

AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, THAT FACILITY, I BELIEVE, FROM A FACILITIES ASSESSMENT IS NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD COMPLETELY TEAR DOWN.

THERE'S A HOPE THAT THE REUSE COULD BE POSSIBLY FROM THE REBUILDING OF FIRE STATION SIX AND PUT SOME KIND OF WELLNESS WAITZ AND OTHER THINGS FROM THE FIRE STATION OVER THERE FOR REUSE.

I THINK I THINK THAT ADDRESSES THE CORE CONCERN IF IT'S GOT PRODUCTIVE REUSE AND NOT NOT TO TEAR DOWN UNLESS WE ABSOLUTELY HAD TO, IT WOULD BE TO REUSE IT AND HAVE IT AS A CITY BUILDING. IT IS JUST I LIVE OVER IN THAT AREA AND I'M TELLING YOU, EVEN THOUGH I LIVE THERE AND I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE CVS IS AND I KNOW WHERE YOU REALLY HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION WHEN YOU WANT TO GET TO THAT LIBRARY.

AND THEN THE FIRE STATION IS TUCKED EVEN FURTHER BACK IN THERE.

I THINK THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I WOULD PROVIDE TO THAT IS THIS PROPOSAL WAS BASED ON ASSUMPTIONS THAT FIRE STATION SIX IS LOCATED IN THE CORRECT LOCATION.

SO FOR THEM TO EXPAND THEIR FOOTPRINT AND MEET THE NEEDS OF THE LIBRARY MASTER PLAN WITH HAVING THE GREEN SPACE RELOCATING FURTHER SOUTH TO BE MORE OF A REGIONAL REGIONAL FACILITY VERSUS A NEIGHBORHOOD ONE.

THAT'S WHERE THIS PROPOSAL CAME FROM.

I THINK ON THAT LAST MEETING THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION OVER COULD FIRE GO AHEAD AND MOVE? AND I DON'T KNOW THAT AS STAFF, WE WERE REALLY CLEAR ON ANSWERING THAT TO THE COMMITTEE.

SO THEY DID FEEL THAT THEY WERE SOLVING BOTH PROBLEMS. BUT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO AHEAD WITH THE STAFF PROPOSAL FOR THE LIBRARY, RELOCATE IT WITH THE 40,000FT².

I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED THERE.

AND AND THEN WHAT WOULD THE DESTINY BE FOR THE FIRE STATION? THE FIRE STATION WOULD UTILIZE THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT THERE TO EITHER RECONFIGURE SOUTH BRANCH IF THEY COULD.

AND IF NOT, WE WOULD HAVE TO DEMOLISH AND THEY WOULD REDO FIRE STATION SIX ON SITE TWO.

VERY DIFFERENT ONE.

A LOT MORE IF IT'S POSSIBLE.

YEAH. THE CURRENT FIRE STATION IS WITHIN THE RADIUS THEY NEED.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GROWTH IN SOUTH SOUTH AREA THERE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CALL VOLUME AND THE CALL TIMES THAT MEETS THAT RADIUS, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED BY THE BOND COMMITTEE, WELL, COULD THE COULD THE FIRE STATION MOVE A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN SOUTH? AND THE ANSWER IS, YEAH, THEY COULD, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY LAND TO DO THAT.

BUT AGAIN, PEOPLE HEAR WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR HERE.

YOU HAVE I THINK BIGGER THAN ANYTHING WAS YOU HAVE A LIBRARY MASTER PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL THAT TALKED ABOUT A 40,000 FOOT LIBRARY AND TALKED ABOUT MAKING IT MORE OF A LARGER, MORE REGIONAL LIBRARY.

TO DO THAT, IT WON'T WORK WHERE IT IS THE FIRE STATION, THE FIRST PRIORITY IS TO USE THAT BUILDING AS A REUSE.

THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH IT IS WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO AND I'M JUST GOING TO MENTION YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD WITH THE CURRENT POLICE STATION AND PUTTING LIPSTICK ON A PIG AND CALLING IT PRETTY.

WHEN YOU GET INTO LOOKING AT IT AND DO A FACILITY ASSESSMENT AND A STRUCTURAL ASSESSMENT, YOU FIND THAT THERE MAY BE SOME STUFF THAT WON'T MEET THE NEEDS OF A FIRE DEPARTMENT.

BUT OUR FIRST GOAL IS TO REUSE THAT BUILDING.

IF WE HAD ALL POSSIBLE AND BUILD THAT FIRE STATION RIGHT WHERE IT IS BECAUSE IT MEETS THAT RADIUS, WHO NEEDS TO MOVE? IT'S THE LIBRARY.

OKAY. ANY. OKAY.

COUNCILMAN WHAT'S. YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK.

I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MADAM CITY MANAGER AND I WAS THERE IN THE LAST MEETING, SO I HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION OF HOW THAT WENT.

BUT I GUESS, MR. MAYOR, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU.

PROCEDURALLY, WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THE POINT OF DISCUSSING WHAT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO DO LIKE THE BOND COMMITTEE AND TAKE EACH ONE AT AN INDIVIDUAL VOTE INSTEAD OF SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO CREATE THIS BIG SLATE AND WE ALL HAVE TO EITHER VOTE IT UP OR DOWN IN ONE AND ONE.

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SO I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN ANSWER NOW.

I'M SAYING THAT'S I GUESS THAT'S MY PREFERENCE IS, HEY, YOU KNOW, AS EACH ONE COMES UP THAT WE'RE ABLE TO TO STATE OUR VOTE ON EACH OR OUR DIRECTION, ON EACH ON EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE MAKING TO BE ON THE BALLOT.

CERTAINLY. YEAH. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. JUST.

COUNCILWOMAN. MCGEE. I GUESS.

IT'S SARA. OH, MISS CITY MANAGER.

SO BASED OFF OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID, DO WE HAVE DO WE HAVE ANY MORE ADVANCE KNOWLEDGE? WOULD WE BE ABLE TO REUSE THAT? OR ARE WE LOOKING AT A DEMOLISHING AND START OVER? SO THE FACILITY ASSESSMENT WAS COMPLETED AND IT IS IN FAIRLY DECENT SHAPE.

IT IS NOT A BUILDING LIKE THE SERVICE CENTER AND SOME OTHERS.

SO IT CAN IT'S CAN BE REUSED.

THERE'S NO ISSUES RELATED TO FROM WHAT WE DID AS A STAFF STRUCTURAL ASSESSMENT WITH WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT, WE DIDN'T FIND ANY SERIOUS ISSUES.

SO IT CAN BE REUSED WHEN YOU START TO AND I'M ASSUMING THIS IS ASSUMPTION, FIRE STATIONS ARE ALWAYS PRETTY POPULAR ON A BOND.

BUT WHEN A BOND PROGRAM GOES THROUGH AND YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO REBUILD FIRE STATION NUMBER SIX IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION AND AND PURPOSELY TRY TO REUSE THIS BUILDING AS A PART OF THAT PROJECT AS YOU GET INTO DESIGN AND THEN ENGINEERING ALL THE OTHER STUFF.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO SIT HERE AND SAY, OH, IT'LL JUST WORK OUT PERFECTLY AND IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT.

MY ONLY I JUST WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS TO SAY THERE'S SOMETIMES THINGS YOU FIND AND THEN YOU END UP HAVING TO DO SOMETHING.

AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE THE PERSON THAT SAYS, DON'T WORRY, WE'RE GOING TO REUSE THAT BUILDING.

BUT THE GOAL IS TO REUSE THAT BUILDING AS A PART OF FIRE STATION SIX, REDESIGN AND REBUILD AND NOT TEAR IT DOWN UNLESS WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST HAD BEFORE I ASK MY QUESTION PROCEDURALLY, ARE WE HAVING AND I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILOR WATTS, ARE WE HAVING DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS LATER? IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSION NOW.

AND THAT'S THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY.

NO, YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY QUESTIONS AND LESS SOLILOQUIES A LOT, BUT IT JUST SO YEAH, NO QUESTIONS BY ALL MEANS.

AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL GET TO A POINT WHERE WE GO DOWN ONE FOR ONE.

BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET WHY STAFFS HERE GET QUESTIONS, ANSWERS, TAKE YOUR NOTES AND THEN WE DON'T NEED STAFF TO GIVE DIRECTION.

THAT'S A DECISION FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL TO MAKE AND WE GO FORWARD.

SO GREAT.

I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT CLARIFICATION, MR. MAYOR. SO FOR AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS YOUR QUESTION, PRESUMING THAT WE FOLLOW THE MASTER PLAN AND WE WANT A 40 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT AND WE DON'T WANT TO PUT IT OFF RYAN ROAD, THEN THEN I HAVE A QUESTION OF IF WE'RE ALREADY IN PROPERTY ACQUISITION FOR PROPERTY ON RYAN ROAD, WHAT IS THEN THE VISION? IF WE DISRUPT THAT VISION AND WE SAY, WELL, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO PAY BE VERY, VERY MINDFUL OF WHAT THE BOND COMMITTEE SAID, ARE WE WHAT WHAT DO WE ENVISION? WE WOULD USE THAT PROPERTY ON RYAN ROAD FOR PRESUMABLY NOT NOT THE LIBRARY.

AND THEN SO I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHO WHO THE THAT THAT QUESTION SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO.

AND AND I GUESS IT OVERLAYS WITH IF WE HAVE TO GET PROPERTY FOR A NEW FIRE STATION, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE THAT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S DEDICATED TO PARKS LAND. YES SO THAT AND MAY AND SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS IT SUITABLE FOR FIRE STATION AND PARKS LAND TO GO TOGETHER? THAT FEELS LIKE DISPARATE ON ON.

WELL I'VE DONE THAT BUT OVERLAPPING A LOT OF WORK TO GET IT BECAUSE YOUR USE OF PARK LAND IS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

IT'S PRETTY STRICT AS IT IS IN CALIFORNIA, BUT IT COULD BE DONE.

I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I ACTUALLY DID THAT TOOK A PIECE OF A PARK AND TURNED IT INTO A FIRE STATION IN AN AREA WHERE IT WAS UNDERSERVED FROM FIRE SERVICES COMPLETELY.

BUT IT TOOK A LOT OF LEGAL MANEUVERING TO GET IT DONE.

THE THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS ACTUALLY I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER AND SOME OF YOU WEREN'T ON COUNCIL, THE WHOLE IDEA WAS TO LOOK AT PARKS AND LIBRARIES AS A SYNERGY AND THAT WHEN PEOPLE GO TO A LIBRARY, THEY DON'T ALWAYS WANT TO SIT INSIDE.

AND WE SEE THIS FROM OUR GRACIOUS FRIENDS THAT ROTARY WHO DONATED MONEY TO HELP BUILD THIS BEAUTIFUL READING AREA OUT HERE, WHICH IS USED ALL THE TIME DURING THE FALL AND SPRING WITH KIDS READING GROUPS AND OTHER THINGS, WHERE WHERE THIS LIBRARY IS NOW IS NOT CONDUCIVE FOR THAT.

YOU ARE LITERALLY SURROUNDED BY BUSINESSES IN A CONCRETE JUNGLE IN A PARKING LOT.

AND IT WAS LITERALLY THE RESA, WASN'T IT, A BANK BEFORE OR SOME KIND OF A BUILDING.

ANYWAY, IT WASN'T A LIBRARY TO BEGIN WITH, BUT WE FIXED WE REDID IT, BUT THE IDEA IS TO USE OUTDOOR INDOOR QUALITY OF LIFE, CULTURAL THINGS WITH PARKS, GREEN SPACE AND LIBRARIES.

AND THAT'S WHY WE LOOKED AT PURCHASING THESE LANDS FOR THE SYNERGIES OF HAVING TRAILS AND A AND A PARK AND THEN BEING ABLE TO HAVE OUTDOOR ACTIVE AREAS FOR KIDS.

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AND THE THINGS THAT THEY DO IN LIBRARIES IS NOT ALWAYS SITTING IN THE IN THE LIBRARY.

SO IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DO THAT IN THAT PLACE.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE REUSE OF THAT, LIKE LET'S SAY WE SAID JUST ADD ON TO THE LIBRARY, BUILD IT OUT.

WE WE WOULD BE PUSHING OUT THE FIRE STATION, FIRST OF ALL, AND WE WOULD BE LIMITED IN OUR PARKING THERE AND WE WOULD HAVE NOT THE GREEN SPACE THAT IS NEEDED TO REALLY HAVE THE QUALITY THAT YOU WANT FOR A LIBRARY.

AND IF YOU IF YOU LOOK AT OUR NORTH BRANCH AND YOU LOOK AT OUR EMILY FOWLER, THAT OUTDOOR AREA IS VERY VALUABLE TO OUR RESIDENTS AND EVEN VISITORS WHO COME TO OUR LIBRARIES.

IT'S REALLY ABOUT BETTER ACCESS, BETTER VISIBILITY AND BETTER, BETTER LIBRARY AMENITIES.

AND I GUESS THE SECOND THE LAST PART OF THE QUESTION THEN.

AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WHO'S THE APPROPRIATE ANSWER IS.

I UNDERSTOOD FROM PRIOR DISCUSSIONS THAT THE SYNERGY WOULD NOT JUST BE PARKS LIBRARY, BUT THERE'S THE POTENTIAL AND WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING VARIOUS LAND ACQUISITION POTENTIALS, BUT A DIFFERENT USE OF NEARBY ADJACENT PROPERTIES PERHAPS FOR SENIOR CENTER AND AND DOES DOES DISRUPTING THAT WHICH WE COULD VOTE FOR IF IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS INTERESTED IN.

BUT HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE POTENTIAL FOR A SENIOR CENTER IF WE DON'T GO FOR THE LARGER SYNERGISTIC APPROACH? TO BE REALLY HONEST, TO BE HONEST ABOUT THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW, JENNIFER, IF CHRISTINE CAN ANSWER IT.

I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF OPTIONS FOR A SENIOR CENTER.

GARY CAN ANSWER THAT. SO, YEAH.

GARY PACKAN, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I MEAN, WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOKING FOR SYNERGIES.

FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT AS WELL AS A CUSTOMER SERVICE STANDPOINT.

BUT THEY COULD BE ONE AND THE SAME OR DIFFERENT.

THEY COULD FLOAT ON THEIR OWN IF THE LIBRARY STAYED WHERE IT'S AT.

AND WE ACTUALLY PUT AN ACTIVE ADULT CENTER IN THAT LOCATION.

OR IF WE SAID THE ACTIVE ADULT CENTER WAS GOING TO GO IN ANOTHER LOCATION, THAT COULD THAT COULD HAPPEN AS WELL.

BUT OUR OUR MISSION RIGHT NOW IS TO PUT THEM BOTH TOGETHER IN THE SAME SPOT, TO CREATE THAT SYNERGY FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS OPERATIONS AND PROGRAMING.

OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. SO I THINK WE'RE ALL WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN.

LIGHTNING ROUND MINGO AND THEN MUNICIPAL COMPLEX LAND ACQUISITION.

OKAY. SO TREVOR CRANE IS GOING TO COME UP AND GIVE YOU A PREVIEW OF THE RUDEL MINGO QUIET ZONE PROJECT AS PROPOSED VERSUS THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION.

THANK YOU. TREVOR CRANE, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.

SO THIS IS THE RIDDLE, MINGO AND QUIET ZONES PROJECTS.

SO JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND.

THE QUIET ZONES AND THE RUDDELL EXTENSION WERE BOTH INCLUDED IN THE 2014 BOND ELECTION.

BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS WERE INSUFFICIENTLY FUNDED.

AND SO WE BOND OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE APPROVED STAFF'S REQUEST TO REMOVE THOSE.

ON MAY 20TH, 2022, THE BOND OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE DID ASK STAFF TO REINTRODUCE THOSE PROJECTS IN 2023.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED THE RUDDELL PORTION AS WELL.

SO RUDEL, MINGO AND QUIET ZONES.

THE CURRENT ROADWAY IS A TWO LANE UNDIVIDED HIGHWAY.

YOU CAN SEE SOME PICTURES RIGHT THERE ON THE RIGHT.

THERE'S NO UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE SYSTEM, NO PEDESTRIAN OR BIKE FACILITIES, LIMITED RIGHT OF WAY.

THERE ARE SIX AT GRADE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD CROSSINGS, LIMITED STREET LIGHTING, LIMITED AND AGING UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE.

IT IS NOT A UNION PACIFIC QUIET ZONE CURRENTLY.

AND THERE WERE PORTIONS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE 2014 BOND PROGRAM, LIKE I JUST SPOKE ABOUT.

SO I'M GONNA BREAK IT DOWN INTO THE THREE SECTIONS OF THIS PROJECT.

SO MINGO ROAD, THIS IS THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

WE WOULD CREATE A THREE LANE ROADWAY, ONE LANE EAST AND WEST WITH A DEDICATED CENTER TURN LANE WE'RE PROPOSING, INCLUDING BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE, INSTALLATION OF A NEW DRAINAGE SYSTEM, STREET LIGHTING, REPLACEMENT OF ANY AGING UTILITIES.

THIS WOULD BRING US INTO ALIGNMENT WITH THE 2022 MOBILITY PLAN AND ALSO BRING US INTO ALIGNMENT WITH THE 2022 PARKS, RECREATION AND TRAIL SYSTEM MASTER PLAN RUDDELL STREET.

SO THIS PROPOSED PORTION OF THE PROJECT WOULD BE A THREE LANE ROADWAY NORTH OF MINGO, ONE LANE EAST AND WEST AND A CENTER TURN LANE.

THIS WOULD ALSO CREATE A NEW ALIGNMENT CROSSING AT THE SOUTH OF MINGO, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE CLOSURES OF THE WILLIS AND PERTAIN STREET CROSSINGS WE'RE PROPOSING ADDING BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE, STREET LIGHTING, REPLACEMENT OF ANY AGING UTILITIES AND THEN ALIGNMENT WITH THE 2022.

THIS WOULD BRING US IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE 2022 MOBILITY PLAN UPDATE.

SO THIS SECTION WAS THE PORTION THAT WAS PROPOSED BY THE CITIZENS BOND COMMITTEE TO BE REMOVED FROM THE PROJECT.

SO JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS.

THIS WOULD LOWER THE PROJECT COST APPROXIMATELY $10 MILLION.

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IT WOULD NOT BRING US INTO ALIGNMENT WITH THE MOBILITY PLAN.

IT WOULD WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ADD ANY PEDESTRIAN OR BIKE FACILITIES ALONG THAT RUDEL PORTION.

THIS COULD CREATE A TRAFFIC BOTTLENECK NORTH OF MINGO STREET.

NO STREETLIGHT IMPROVEMENTS, NO UTILITY REPLACEMENTS AND ANY STREET AND OR UTILITIES WOULD NEED TO BE IMPROVED AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, RAISING COSTS EXPONENTIALLY. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME POINTS AS TO WHY WE INCLUDED THAT SECTION AS A PART OF THE PROJECT.

THE RUDEL STREET EXTENSION, YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE SCHEMATIC OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

THIS WAS A THIS WAS INCLUDED IN THE 2014 BOND PROGRAM, BUT HAD TO BE REMOVED DUE TO FUNDING.

SO THIS IS SPECIFIC TO THAT ALIGNMENT CROSSING AT MINGO.

THIS WOULD INCLUDE A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT MINGO AND RUDEL.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BIKE, BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE CROSSING THE UPR OR ADDITIONAL STREET LIGHTING, AND THIS WOULD BRING US INTO ALIGNMENT WITH THE 2022 MOBILITY PLAN UPDATE. AND THEN THE MINGO QUIET ZONES PORTION OF THE PROJECT.

SO THIS WOULD BE QUIET ZONE IMPLEMENTATION AT THE CROSSINGS ALONG MINGO FROM MOCKINGBIRD TO FRAME STREET.

THIS INCLUDES NEW LIGHTS GATES RAISED MEDIANS, TRAFFIC SIGNAL PREEMPTION, BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE CROSSING AT THOSE UPRR CROSSINGS.

AND THEN ON THE RIGHT, JUST AS LITTLE.

THOSE ARE THOSE QUIET ZONE LOCATIONS AND THAT'S IT.

SO I CAN STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ON THIS PROJECT.

QUESTIONS ON MINGO.

RUDEL MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

SO IT'S IS IT CORRECT THAT THE THAT THE REALIGNMENT AT RUDDELL FOR THE CROSSING IS BECAUSE THE CROSSINGS AT WILLIS AND PERTAIN ARE UNSUITABLE FOR QUIET ZONES AND THEY CANNOT BE MODIFIED TO BE QUIET ZONE CONDUCIVE.

SO THE REASONING BEHIND REMOVING THOSE TWO ARE REALLY SAFETY RELATED.

ONE OF THOSE COMING OUT OF THE SERVICE CENTER, IT'S GOT A REALLY KIND OF WONKY RIGHT TURN LANE COMING UP OVER VERY LIMITED VISIBILITY OF PEOPLE COMING DOWN.

ALSO WHEN YOU ADD CROSSINGS TO UPR, SO ANYTIME YOU WANT TO ADD A AT GRADE CROSSING, YOU HAVE TO REMOVE TWO.

THEY DO A TWO FOR ONE SWAP EVERY TIME YOU DO THAT.

AND SO IN ORDER TO DO THIS RUDDELL STREET EXPANSION OR THE THE EXTENSION AND PUT THAT CROSSING RIGHT THERE, WE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE TWO OTHER ONES.

SO THOSE WERE THE TWO THAT WERE THE THAT WERE THE MOST UNSAFE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO REMOVE THOSE TWO.

SO I GUESS THAT'S FOR THIS FIRST PART OF THE QUESTION.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE RELATIVE.

IF WE FOLLOW THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION, I'LL GET TO THE RUDEL IN A SECOND.

BUT THAT PUTS LESS OF A RATIONALE BECAUSE AND ALSO ON THE MAP, IF YOU'LL IF YOU'LL FLIP BACK TO IT, IT KIND OF DISAPPEARS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S NOT REALLY AN ARTERIAL OR SORRY, A COLLECTOR.

IT KIND OF JUST POOF, DISAPPEARS BEHIND THE SERVICE CENTER.

SO. I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF IF WE FOLLOW THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION AND DON'T MAINTAIN OR DON'T DO THE IMPROVEMENTS ON RYDELL, IS IT CHEAPER TO TO PUT IN THE IMPROVEMENT FOR THE QUIET ZONE AT RYDELL AND AND AND RE RE RECONFIGURE RECONFIGURE THANK YOU WILLIS AND PERTAIN OR IS IT IS IT CHEAPER TO RECONFIGURE WILLIS AND PERTAIN AND NOT PUNCH A NEW THING THROUGH.

SO THAT'S A VERY LOADED QUESTION.

SO I'LL ANSWER IT BY SAYING EVERY PORTION OF THIS PROJECT AFFECTS ANOTHER PORTION OF THE PROJECT.

SO IN ORDER TO MAKE EVERYTHING A QUIET ZONE, THE UPR IS GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AS A CORRIDOR.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT EVERY ONE OF THOSE CROSSINGS.

AND ANY IMPROVEMENT THAT WE MAKE TO ONE GIVES US POINTS TOWARDS THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR.

SO DOING THE EXTENSION, PUTTING IN A TRAFFIC LIGHT, PUTTING IN QUAD GATES GIVES US A TON OF POINTS TOWARDS THAT ENTIRE CORRIDOR OF QUIET ZONE. SO IF WE DO NOT DO THAT SECTION, THEN THAT RAMPS UP THE COST OR THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REQUIRED AT THE OTHER CROSSINGS IN ORDER TO MAKE IT A QUIET ZONE. ANOTHER POINT I WOULD SAY IS THE EXTENSION WAS NOT REMOVED AS IT WAS NOT REQUESTED TO BE REMOVED AS A PART FROM THE CITIZENS BOND COMMITTEE, JUST THE PORTION FROM 380 DOWN TO WHERE IT WAS CONNECTS TO THE RYDELL EXTENSION.

SO THE RYDELL EXTENSION WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE 2012 2014 BOND, AND IT JUST INCLUDES THIS.

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SO THE PORTION THAT WAS ASKED TO BE REMOVED WOULD BE THE SECTION FROM 380 RYDELL FROM 380 DOWN TO KIND OF THAT RED SPOT RIGHT THERE.

OKAY. WELL, LIKE LIKE COUNCILOR WATTS, I WAS AT THAT MEETING AND THAT'S NOT THE IMPRESSION I GOT FROM THE DISCUSSION WHEN PEOPLE WERE WERE DISCUSSING HOW TO PARSE THESE PROJECTS.

SO LET ME LET ME MOVE TO MY SECOND QUESTION REALLY QUICK.

AND IF I IF I LOOK, HELP ME UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE RATIONALE THAT YOU SAW FROM THE COMMITTEE FOR THE RYDELL MODIFICATIONS BEING DROPPED VERSUS I'M LOOKING AT THE MASTER PLAN AND THEY HAVE THAT RING ROAD THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PUT THROUGH THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THERE WITH HYPOTHETICALLY IS, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT IT.

IT LOOKS LIKE SIDEPATHS ALL ALONG IT THAT WOULD BE PARALLEL INFRASTRUCTURE ALL ALONG RYDELL FOR THEIR EASTERN SECTION OF THE MASTER PLAN AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT GOES ALL THE WAY.

UH, BASICALLY HALFWAY BETWEEN THE STORAGE CENTER AND THE WILLIS SERVICE ROAD ENTRANCE IN TERMS OF WHERE THEY'RE DESIGNING THEIR RING ROADS AND SIDEWALKS.

SO THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS ALL UP IS IF WE GO IN THERE AND RENOVATE IT AND THEY'RE GOING IN THERE AND RENOVATING IT.

ARE WE NOT DUPLICATING EFFORT? SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE TWU RING ROAD, AS YOU CALLED IT, IS REALLY AND ETERNAL TO THEIR TO THEIR DEPARTMENT, I MEAN, TO THEIR PROPERTY.

SO THE GOAL SORRY, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.

SO SOME OF THE TAKEAWAYS I TOOK FROM THE BOND COMMITTEE WERE KIND OF THEY KIND OF JUMPED AROUND ON THIS PROJECT AND FOCUSED A LOT ON THE PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG MINGO AND THEN WHEN WE SETTLED ON KIND OF TALKING ABOUT RUDEL, THE CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS THAT IF WE WERE TO IMPROVE RUDEL, THAT WOULD GIVE MORE CREDENCE TO CLOSING BELL.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE EARLIER TODAY, AND THAT'S THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION MOVING FORWARD.

SO IN OUR MINDS, INCLUDING THAT RUDEL EXTENSION REALLY LENDS ITSELF TO OR NOT EXTENSION I'M SORRY, THE RUDEL SECTION FROM 380 TO THE EXTENSION REALLY LENDS ITSELF TO THAT CONNECTIVITY THAT WE TALK ABOUT WITH OUR PEDESTRIAN, OUR WALKABILITY.

CURRENTLY, THERE'S THERE'S NO PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG.

RUDEL SO IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT THAT.

RUDEL THEN THAT LEAVES US WITH PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG THE SOUTH OF 380 PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG MINGO BUT NOTHING IN BETWEEN TO CONNECT THOSE TWO PIECES.

I GUESS IF I MIGHT FOLLOW UP REAL, REAL QUICK.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

IF THEY PUT THE PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE ON THEIR RING ROAD THAT IS TEN FEET SEPARATE OR 20FT SEPARATE, THEN THE COMMUNITY HAS PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT? SO I WOULD SAY WE WE COLLABORATE WITH TWU, WE COORDINATE WITH THEM AT THIS POINT, I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN THEIR MASTER PLAN.

AND WE ACTUALLY TALKED TO ROB A LITTLE EARLIER TODAY ABOUT STARTING TO LOOK AT THAT AND COORDINATING WITH THAT OUR PROJECTS.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO COUNT ON THEM TO MAKE THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WITHOUT I MEAN, I WOULD PREFER TO DO IT OURSELVES AND THEN WE WOULD COORDINATE WITH THAT.

IF WE IF WE INCLUDE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS DUPLICATIVE, THEN OF COURSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO COLLABORATE WITH THEM ON AND MAKE SURE THAT THEIR STUFF TIES INTO OURS OR VICE VERSA.

WHOEVER GETS THERE FIRST IS USUALLY HOW WE DO THAT.

I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, TREVOR.

THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, MR. MAYOR.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN WATSON, JUST REAL QUICK, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT IT SEEMED LIKE AS THE DISCUSSION MOVED FORWARD, I MEAN, THIS WHOLE THING WAS INITIALLY TAKEN OFF.

I MEAN, IT WAS CORRECT.

THEY SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS.

THEN THE ITERATION WAS QUIET ZONES.

PEOPLE DIDN'T JUST WANT QUIET ZONES BECAUSE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FOR MINGO, THEN IT WAS, WELL, LET'S PUT IT ALL BACK IN.

AND THEN THE COMMENT WAS MADE ABOUT CLOSING BELL.

AND SO I AND THAT'S REALLY ALL THE DISCUSSION IN THE MOTION WAS MADE.

WELL, LET'S DO SOMETHING. LET'S JUST GET RID OF RUDEL.

I THINK THIS WAS PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, BASED UPON AT LEAST HOW I WATCHED THE COMMITTEE THAT'S BEEN RESOLVED OSTENSIBLY.

I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S BEEN RESOLVED.

AND WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THIS IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF CREATING THE MOBILITY IN THAT AREA, INCLUDING PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY, BECAUSE WE CAN'T COUNT ON T.W.

SO. THAT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION, MAYOR.

I APOLOGIZE. THAT WAS JUST A COMMENT.

YEAH. OKAY. I CONCUR.

YEAH, IT'S. IT'LL RESOLVE ITSELF.

THE. IT'LL FIX ITSELF.

YOU'LL SEE. OKAY.

NEXT. I'M SORRY.

COUNCILMAN. BYRD. I'M GOING TO

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IMPLORE THAT WE BRING THAT BROOKDALE PROJECT IN.

IT JUST NEEDS TO BE THE WHOLE PACKAGE AND IT JUST MAKES SENSE.

AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH ROCHDALE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE TRACKS BECAUSE I DO REPRESENT THIS AREA AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE ALONG THIS AREA.

AND IF YOU DON'T LIVE NEAR A RAILROAD TRACK WHERE AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING, SOMEBODY'S LAYING ON THE HORN THE WHOLE WAY.

WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO SATISFY THOSE NEEDS OF THOSE FOLKS LIKE ME WHO LIVE THERE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF ANY KIND OF DIRECTION IS THERE, I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT US TO ADD THE ENTIRE ROCHDALE PROCESSING WITHIN THAT THAT SCOPE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THE LAST TWO ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO RUN THROUGH ARE ITEMS THAT WERE NOT PART OF THE CITIZEN ADVISORY FINAL RECOMMENDATION, BUT THEY WERE PART OF THE PROGRAM THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH THAT COMMITTEE.

SO WE JUST WANT TO HIT ON CITY HALL.

SO CITY HALL WAS PART OF A COUNCIL PRIORITY IN 2022 LAST SUMMER WHEN COUNCIL DETERMINED THEIR PRIORITIES TO EXPLORE GETTING SOME TYPE OF NEW MUNICIPAL COMPLEX AND WITH A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

SO A COUPLE OF FACTS ABOUT CITY HALL BUILT IN 1967.

IT'S A ROUGHLY A 26,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC LANDMARK BOUNDARY SINCE IT'S AN O'NEILL FORD BUILDING, THE SAME AS EMILY FOWLER AND THE CIVIC CENTER. THE CURRENT SUITABILITY CHALLENGES WITH THIS FACILITY ARE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 107% OCCUPANCY.

THAT'S BASED ON TODAY'S EMPLOYEES THAT ARE HERE.

SO ADDING ANY IN THE FUTURE, WE HAVE A CHART THAT DEMONSTRATES THAT THAT THAT'S JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A CHALLENGE FOR THIS BUILDING.

IN ADDITION DEPARTMENT ADJACENCIES.

SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF A MASTER PLAN WHICH YOU ALL WILL HEAR IN A FEW MONTHS.

BUT INTERVIEWS WERE DONE AND THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE HOUSED IN THIS FACILITY HAVE THE CORRECT SYNERGY.

SO WANTING TO KEEP COUNCIL IN THE SAME LOCATION, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, CITY SECRETARY, STRATEGIC SERVICES, FINANCE AND THE PUBLIC COMMUNITY MARKETING COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE.

ANOTHER ISSUES THAT WE HAD POINTED OUT TO THE COMMITTEE WERE DUE TO THE AGE OF THE BUILDING.

THERE'S SOME ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS WHERE OUR COUNCIL CHAMBER IS LOCATED.

SO THERE IS THE PLATFORM LIFT AND THE COUNCIL CHAMBER HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES.

IS THAT BEING AN ACCESSIBILITY ISSUE FOR ANYONE WANTING TO COME AND SPEAK AT A PUBLIC MEETING AND THEN THE ROUTE TO TRAVEL FROM THE PARKING LOT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE COURTYARD TO ENTER THE BUILDING HAS ACCESSIBILITY CHALLENGES.

SO A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE COMMUNICATED TO THE COMMITTEE THAT THIS BUILDING, OF COURSE, WOULD ALWAYS STAY.

NO PLAN TO DEMOLISH IT, THAT IT COULD BE REUSED FOR THE MUNICIPAL ARCHIVE SPACE.

YOU COULD DO PUBLIC ART DISPLAYS.

IT'D BE A GREAT LOCATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AND SUSTAINABILITY, OR CURRENTLY LOCATED IN A TEMPORARY BUILDING OFF MAYHILL PARKS AND RECREATION ADMINISTRATION OFFICES.

AND WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY THIS BEING A NEW SPACE FOR THE MUNICIPAL COURT AND MUNICIPAL JUDGE.

SO WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE WAS AS A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

SO LOOKING AT PROPOSING A MUNICIPAL COMPLEX, IT WOULD BE A 35,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC BOUNDARY.

IT HAD SEVERAL OPTIONS OF EXPANDING THE PARK, LOOKING AT MIXED RETAIL AND ADDING A PUBLIC ACCESS PARKING GARAGE.

SO AGAIN, THAT 35,000 SQUARE FOOT WOULD KEEP THOSE DEPARTMENTS TOGETHER AND HOUSE THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION AND CHAMBER.

IT WOULD ADD AN EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER, HAVE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, CITY SECRETARY, STRATEGIC, EVERYTHING THAT'S LOCATED IN IT NOW.

ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT CITY HALL? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

THE COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'LL JUST SAY THE FIVE, TEN, 20 YEAR PROJECTIONS IN THAT CHART THAT WAS VERY ENTERTAINING THIS WEEKEND.

WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT IN 20 YEARS, WE'RE LITERALLY GOING TO BE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER HOLDING HANDS.

SO I APPRECIATED THAT.

AND THE 107% OCCUPANCY RIGHT NOW IS WE DON'T HAVE SPACE STANDARDS.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE WE'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD LATER.

BUT THE CITY MANAGER HAS IMPLEMENTED THAT.

WE DO ALLOW TWO REMOTE DAYS PER DEPARTMENT BASED ON THEIR OPERATIONAL FUNCTION.

SO THAT'S WITH THAT ASSUMPTION THAT WE DO STILL HAVE SOME REMOTE WORKING AND NOT EVERYONE IS HERE ON SITE 40 HOURS A WEEK.

THAT IS WITH THEM.

CORRECT. SO WE HAVE OFFICE SHARING, DOUBLING UP ON SPACE.

COUNCILWOMAN. I RECALL WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT, THERE WAS A BIG HOOPLA ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT WAS BUILT TO ADD A SECOND STORY. WE CAN PROVIDE YOU I KNOW IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, COUNCILMAN COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS DID ASK THAT SAME QUESTION, SO WE PROVIDED AN INFORMAL STAFF

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REPORT ON THAT WAS AN ARCHITECT CONCEPT.

I DON'T THINK THERE WERE EVER ANY ENGINEERING OR STRUCTURAL PLANS FOR THAT.

SO WE DID PROVIDE AN UPDATE KIND OF SAYING THAT THAT WASN'T FEASIBLE.

AND I THINK THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY ADD WAS 1000.

WE'LL PROVIDE YOU THAT FOLLOW UP.

BUT IT WAS JUST A CONCEPT.

IT WASN'T ACTUALLY EVER ENGINEERED.

AND THEN WE HAVE LIMITATIONS FOR WHAT MAJOR SYSTEMS WE HAVE ON THE ROOF.

OKAY. I WOULD SURE LIKE TO EXPLORE THAT.

AND YES, YOU'D HAVE TO ADD AN ELEVATOR AND YES, YOU'D HAVE TO ADD STAIRS AND YES, YOU'D HAVE TO ADD ADA, BUT THAT'D BE A WHOLE LOT CHEAPER TO GO UP RATHER THAN TO TO ACQUIRE ANOTHER BUILDING. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE.

OKAY. SO THE LAST ITEM FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION IS LAND ACQUISITION.

WE HEARD FROM COUNCIL LAST TIME WE PRESENTED AS TO WHETHER OR NOT LAND ACQUISITION WAS INCLUDED AS PART OF THE BOND PROPOSALS.

AND SO COUNCIL ASKED FOR US TO BRING BACK THE AMOUNT OF ACRES AND THE PURCHASE PRICE FOR ALL THE LAND THAT'S BEEN ACQUIRED.

SO WE WENT BACK TO 2014 SINCE THAT BOND PROGRAM IS STILL NOT COMPLETE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBER OF ACRES AND THE PURCHASE PRICE.

SO IN TOTAL, THE CITY HAS ADDED ABOUT 267 ACRES OF ROUGHLY $19 MILLION IN LAND ACQUISITIONS.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF OPERATIONS, NOT JUST PARKLAND.

SO THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM INCLUDED JUST PARKLAND ACQUISITION, BUT THIS IS ALL OF THE GENERAL FUND LAND ACQUISITION SINCE 2014.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE COUNCIL AWARE SINCE THAT WAS ASKED FOR LAST TIME.

AND SO MOVING ON.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE TOTAL OF $309 MILLION FOR THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM.

WITH THE CONSIDERATIONS OF THE SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY INCREASING TO 48.5 MILLION IS OUR COST ESTIMATE THAT JENNIFER REFERRED TO EARLIER AND THEN INCLUDING THE RUDEL INCREMENTS.

SO THE $45 MILLION FOR RUDEL NOW THE THREE THE PUBLIC ART, THIS DOES INCREASE THE TOTAL AMOUNT FOR PUBLIC ART FROM WHAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED, JUST BASED ON THE SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY INCREASING THE COST.

SO THAT THAT CHANGED AS WELL.

BUT THE TOTAL STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS $309 MILLION.

AND SO NOW DIRECTION AND NEXT STEPS.

I'M ASKING FOR DIRECTION ON WHAT AMOUNT TO INCLUDE.

AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE PROPOSED PROJECTS BEFORE COUNCIL HAS THE OPTION TO CONSIDER CALLING THE ELECTION AT THE NEXT MEETING ON AUGUST 15TH.

OKAY. SO WHAT? WITH RESPECT TO THE TO THE CITY OFFICES, SPACE, ETCETERA.

WHAT IS THAT? STAFF HAS NO RECOMMENDATIONS THERE.

NO, THE THE THE COMMITTEE DID NOT VOTE ON THE CITY HALL.

THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION REGARDING THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AND NOT HAVING A KIND OF CONCEPT DESIGN.

AND SO THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THAT STAFF BRING IT BACK IN 2026 WITH SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS.

SO WE'VE NOT MADE A RECOMMENDATION.

THIS WAS BASED ON THE PROJECTS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMITTEE.

AND THEN, FOR INSTANCE, SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY.

IF COUNCIL DOES NOT WANT TO RECOMMEND THE 48.5 MILLION OR PUT THAT ON THE BALLOT.

STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND JUST REMOVING IT ALTOGETHER AND LETTING US BRING IT BACK IN 2026.

GOT IT. OKAY. SO WE'LL JUST WE'RE GOING TO DIVE RIGHT IN.

AND SO I'VE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS, SO I'M GOING TO DO THAT NOW.

I AM GOING TO.

I'M COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT FOR I, I CANNOT MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT AT LEAST ASKING MY PEERS TO SUPPORT PUTTING SOME SORT OF.

AND WHAT I'VE TITLED IT IS EMPLOYEE SPACE AND MEETING SPACE OFFICES, EMPLOYEE OFFICES AND MEETING SPACE ON THE ON THE THE BALLOT, ASKING MY PEERS TO THEN SAY, HEY, I BELIEVE STAFF HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD ON THIS.

AND THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN DO THAT IS VIA THE BALLOT.

AND SO I AM ABSOLUTELY COMFORTABLE WITH PEOPLE SAYING, HEY, I DON'T SUPPORT IT, BUT I'M ASKING YOU THEN TO SUPPORT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE VOTERS TO TO BE HEARD FOR A BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT IN 1967 WHEN THE CITY OF DENTON POPULATION WAS 40,000 PEOPLE.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG, I HAVE NO VESTED INTEREST IN THIS.

I TURN OUT WELL BEFORE ANY OF THIS WOULD HIT THE GROUND.

IT'S JUST THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

BEFORE WE GO START PAYING SOME COMMERCIAL REALTOR THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PER MONTH OF TAXPAYER MONEY.

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AND WHAT WAS THE CONSTRUCTION COST DIFFERENCE IN JUST EIGHT MONTHS? IT WAS IT WENT FROM 335 MILLION TO $411 MILLION.

YES. AND SO.

WELL, THAT'S THE TOTAL, BUT THAT'S THE TOTAL.

YEAH, BUT THE CONSTRUCTION COST, I HAVE IT IN MY NOTES.

WE SAID IT WAS I THINK 8% INFLATION A MONTH FOR CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

YES. AND SO IT MAKES NO SENSE TO TAKE TAXPAYER MONEY AND PAY RENT TO SOME LOCAL COMMERCIAL REALTOR.

AND THEN DO WE HAVE THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE SPENDING CITY HALL WEST IS ON HERE? HOW MUCH OF THAT IS SPENT REMOVING WHAT WE DID THE LAST TIME WE OVEREXTENDED THE BUILDING? I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT IT'S I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY A LOT OF THE AMOUNT, THE MAJORITY OF THE AMOUNT.

SO THE MAJORITY OF THE MONEY WE'RE SPENDING IN THIS BOND ELECTION IS TO FIX WHAT WE DID LAST TIME.

WE OVEREXTENDED THE CITY HALL.

AND THE MEETING SPACE WE HAD TODAY WAS ONLY POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE MOVED OUT OF THAT, MOVED PLANNING OUT OF THAT BUILDING.

SOMEONE HAD THE FORETHOUGHT TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A NEW BUILDING AND THAT'S ON THE GROUND AND ALLOWED US TO MOVE OUT OF THAT SPACE.

SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.

I'VE HEARD I HEAR MY PEERS TALKING ABOUT RENOVATING THIS BUILDING.

WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, I WAS JUST IN WASHINGTON, DC, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY HAVE ELEVATORS, THE SAME ANTIQUATED THING WE HAVE BECAUSE YOU DON'T DO THAT TO A HISTORIC BUILDING.

THEY HAVE THEY CAN PRINT MONEY IF THEY'VE RENOVATED THOSE BUILDINGS A MILLION TIMES AND THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE STAIRS TO RAMPS OR DO ALL THESE THINGS, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UNFORTUNATELY, ALL KINDS OF MACHINATIONS TO GET INTO THE THE SENATE AND HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE BUILDINGS.

THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. BUT IT'S YOU IT'S IT'S VERY SIMPLE TO SAY, OH, JUST ADD RAMPS AND DO THIS.

BUT THAT'S NOT DONE.

YOU KNOW, SO ESPECIALLY IN A HISTORIC BUILDING.

SO I'M GOING TO ASK AND I'LL PUT IT FORWARD AND WE'LL SEE.

BUT I JUST THAT'S MY ASK IS THAT THE WE ALLOW THE CITIZENS TO HAVE A SAY VERSUS UNILATERALLY AT THIS DAIS, WE JUST SAY, NO, YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD BECAUSE WE KNOW BEST.

AND THEN I'LL GO A BIT MORE TO SAY, HERE'S THE STATISTICS THAT JUMP OUT AT ME.

YOU HEAR ALL KINDS OF GLOWING RAVE REVIEWS ABOUT THE PREVIOUS BONDS.

YOU HEARD IT PRESENTED TODAY THAT THERE WERE LET ME GET IT RIGHT, 2014.

WE'VE TAKEN IT JUST USING THE WHOLE NUMBERS AT THE BOTTOM.

WE'VE TAKEN $46 MILLION FROM OUR FUND COFFERS TO PROP UP PREVIOUS BAD MATH.

AND THEN WE'LL SAY THOSE WERE THOSE WERE GREAT BONDS.

AND NO ONE TALKS ABOUT THE FACT THAT 2019 IS EXACTLY ON POINT BECAUSE WE'VE MADE THOSE TYPE HARD DECISIONS.

AND THIS IS NOT IT'S NOT UNIQUE.

LAST 2019 BOND WE ADDED BACK IN THE GUN RANGE, WHICH HAS BEEN AN OUTSTANDING GODSEND AND SAVED A LOT OF PEOPLE AND ADDED A LOT OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO THIS IS NOT UNPRECEDENTED.

TO ADD SOMETHING BACK IN. IT'S NOT UNPRECEDENTED TO SAY TO THE COMMITTEE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHT.

AND I HEARD THE COMMITTEE.

I WATCHED EVERY LAST ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS, EVERY MINUTE OF THEM.

I HAVE THE NOTES. I CAN GIVE YOU EVERY DETAIL YOU WANT.

BUT ULTIMATELY, I'LL JUST SAY YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT A POISON PILL.

AND NO, NO DISRESPECT, BUT I'LL JUST AT THE CLOSE OF THE MEETING.

PARDON ME IN THE SUMMARY DISCUSSION.

IN A SUMMARY DISCUSSION.

AND IF YOU WERE TO GO LOOK AT THE TIME STAMP, IT'S 2.2 MINUTES, 43 SECONDS AROUND THERE.

IT SAYS THERE IS A QUOTE.

THE CITY COUNCIL BUILDING AT THE TIME WAS A NONSTARTER.

AND THAT'S HOW THEY STARTED THE CONVERSATION.

SO IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT LEANING PEOPLE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THAT THAT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

WE HAVE A RIGHT TO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT AT THIS LEVEL.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT JUMPS OUT AT ME.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE EVERYTHING.

I TOUCHED ON THE CONSTRUCTION CONCERN.

AND THEN ALSO I'LL SAY THIS.

THERE WAS NOT ONE WORD, NOT ONE WORD FROM THE DAIS, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF EXPLORE IT FURTHER.

BUT EVERY REASON THAT DME, I HAVE A LIST HERE OF EVERY REASON DME LISTED, AND WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE MONEY, DME STOOD BEFORE US AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE ABOUT TO SPEND $70 MILLION FOR EVERY REASON THAT WE HAVE AT THE CITY HALL CHAMBERS.

SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT AND I'M ASKING THIS BODY NOT TO TELL SEND THE MESSAGE TO OUR CORE STAFF THAT YOU DON'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD OR

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VOTE ON ON THIS BOND ISSUE.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE FIRE STATION NEW STATIONS.

WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE THE THE ADULT ACTIVE, THE ACTIVE ADULT CENTER.

WE'RE GOING TO DME IS GOING TO RAISE YOUR RATES.

THAT'S COMING BECAUSE THEY'VE TOLD US THAT.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A NEW FACILITY FOR THEIR STAFF FOR THE SAME REASONS.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE CITY STAFF HERE AND THEN I'LL JUST GO INTO THE QUALITY OF LIFE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOCUSED ON.

AND SO QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR STAFF.

I THINK OF EVERYBODY HERE.

WE UNDERSTAND DIETARY RESTRICTIONS, WE UNDERSTAND DIETARY CONCERNS.

YOU KNOW WHAT THIS CITY HALL OFFERS FOR THOSE A MICROWAVE, YOU KNOW WHAT, MICROWAVE FOOD IS LESS THAN GREAT AND HIGH IN SODIUM.

SO NO KITCHEN, NO OPPORTUNITY TO FIX YOUR OWN FOOD, NO OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEALTHY, NO OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.

AND SO AND SO I'M ASKING FOR STAFF TO SENSITIVE TO THE DOLLARS, NO QUESTION.

AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SYNERGIES.

SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT WE EXPLORE FIRST, WE AGREE TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT ONE.

TWO, WE EXPLORE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMBINE THE ACTIVE ADULT CENTER AND CITY HALL MEETING, SPACE CITY MEETING SPACE AND OFFICES, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE COMMITTEE SAID. AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, BELIEVE THE NUMBERS.

THE NUMBERS SAID 47% WERE AGAINST DOING ANYTHING AT ALL IN THE MEETINGS.

THAT'S DOCUMENTED.

EVERY SLIDE THAT THEY LOOKED AT, 47%, THAT MEANS 53% WERE OPEN TO SOME VERSION OF A CITY HALL COMPLEX.

AND SO I'M ASKING FOR AND THEY EVEN THOSE DETRACTORS SAID WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT MEETING MEETING SPACE AND OFFICES.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.

I THINK IT FITS.

AGAIN, 53% OF THIS COMMITTEE SAID THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE COMFORTABLE WITH AS WELL.

SO IT'S IN LINE WITH WHAT THEY WERE PROJECTING.

IT SENDS A TERRIBLE MESSAGE AS WE'RE RUNNING A THE ORGANIZATION TO NOT HAVE THAT.

AND SO SYNERGIES, I'M SAYING THE ACTIVE ADULT CENTER AND THE MEETING SPACE AND THE OFFICES FIT HERE ON THIS MUNICIPAL COMPLEX. WE OWN THE LAND ALREADY.

BOTTOM FLOOR WOULD BE ACTIVE ADULT, NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY HAVE NOW EXPANDED IN THE SPACE FOR SPAN SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THE BIGGER KITCHEN, THEY CAN SERVE MORE PEOPLE IN OUR IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THEN WE GO ON TOP OF THAT.

NO DIFFERENT THAN DENTON ISD.

IF YOU DRIVE DOWN ELM STREET, IT'S JUST A RECTANGLE, NOTHING SPECIAL, STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN, BUT IT GETS US WHERE WE NEED TO BE.

AND WE WE MOVE ON FROM THIS ANTIQUATED THINKING, MY WORDS FROM 1967 AND AND.

WE'VE JUST GROWN AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE TO SEE LEAVE OUR CITY STAFF.

THE LAST TWO OFFICES THAT I KNOW OF, WE'VE ADDED ONE WAS A CLOSET DOWNSTAIRS AND THEN THE OTHER WAS A CONFERENCE ROOM DOWN THERE.

SO WE ARE MAXING OUT AND WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO DOWN CITY HALL, WEST TERRITORY, WHERE WE DESTROY THIS BUILDING AND THEN COME BACK AND SPEND $20 MILLION LATER TO FIX IT. THAT THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.

SO WHEN WE SO WE'LL WE'LL TAKE THEM ONE BY ONE AND FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD IN OR TAKE OUT OR ADJUST FOR.

AND IF THERE'S AGAIN, I HAVE EVERY, EVERY DOCUMENT TO, TO PROVE UP EVERYTHING I SAID AND AND HAPPY TO, TO ADDRESS THOSE AS NEEDED. BUT I'M JUST SAYING AGAIN, SIMPLE REQUEST.

LET THE VOTERS DECIDE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S CONTROVERSIAL.

SO. YES, SIR.

JUST COUNCIL MEMBER A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATIONS ON ON YOUR COMMENTS.

YOU SAID 53%.

WHAT WAS THE 53% THAT YOU SAID? 47. BUT THEN 53% ON SOMETHING ABOUT.

YES. SO 53% WERE OPEN TO SOME LEVEL OF MUNICIPAL COMPLEX DISCUSSION AND 47% WERE FORECLOSED TO THE IDEA OF A MUSEUM MUNICIPAL COMPLEX.

AND I CAN GIVE YOU WHILE OTHER PEOPLE ARE TALKING, I'LL GIVE YOU THE TIMESTAMP IF I KNOW.

MAYOR CAN I CLARIFY? THAT WAS THE PULSE.

WE DID A PULSE AFTER EVERY MEETING OF JUST TRYING TO GET A GAUGE OF WHAT THE COMMITTEE WAS THINKING AND FEELING ABOUT EACH PROJECT.

AND THE THE PERCENTAGES THAT HE'S QUOTING ARE FROM THAT PULSE SURVEY THAT WE DID AFTER WE PRESENTED THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX WITH AP3 COMPONENT.

OKAY. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE EARLIER MEETINGS.

BUT IN THE LAST MEETING, CORRECT.

THE LAST MEETING, THE COMMITTEE DID NOT VOTE ON THE ITEM.

POINT OF CLARIFICATION, ON JUNE 26TH, THERE WASN'T IT WASN'T THAT WAS IN THE MIDDLE, I GUESS THE FIFTH MEETING, I BELIEVE.

YEAH. YEAH, RIGHT. IT WAS LATE.

YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN ON CITY HALL, WEST MAYOR, I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT MONEY TO TEAR IT OUT OR TEAR IT TO DEMOLISH THE INSIDE, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND SPEND MONEY, TOO.

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IS THIS NOT THE MONEY TO BOTH DO THE DEMOLITION AND RECONFIGURATION? SO THAT'S THE WHOLE THING.

YES. BUT WHAT WE'RE DEMOLISHING IS WHAT WE ADDED.

WELL, NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND THAT I MEAN, THAT HAPPENS.

I MEAN, SO IT SHOULDN'T.

WELL, IN DEVELOPMENT, SOMETIMES THINGS LOSE THEIR FUNCTIONAL OBSOLESCENCE.

SO MY QUESTION IS, SO CITY HALL WEST, WHY CAN THAT NOT BE USED FOR OFFICE SPACE AS WELL? I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A COMMITTEE FIVE YEARS AGO AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT IT'S JUST THE LIMITED SPACE.

CHRISTINE CAN CLARIFY.

WHEN WE BROUGHT FORWARD IN THE FALL, THE USE BUILDING USE, THE DIRECTION WAS TO RESTORE THE THEATER AND BALCONY AND CREATE THE RENTABLE EVENT SPACE, THE INDOOR AND OUTDOOR VENUE THAT LEFT ABOUT 5000FT², WHICH THE DIRECTION WAS TO USE THAT FOR OFFICE SPACE.

SO THERE'S ABOUT 5000FT² IN WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE COULD TURN INTO OFFICES.

AND SO OUR THOUGHT WAS SINCE IT WILL BE RENTABLE, WE'LL MOVE PARKS AND RECREATION GROUP OVER THERE TO LET THEM MANAGE THE RENTALS OF THE EVENT SPACE, THE COURTYARD AND THE THEATER, BUT THAT THOSE DECISIONS OBVIOUSLY BASED UPON NEED AS IT AS THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD AND GETS DONE, THOSE CAN CHANGE JUST LIKE AND SO AND SO.

MAYOR I WAS AT THE PRESENTATION OF THE CITY HALL AND UNFORTUNATELY I THINK IT WAS REAL CONCEPTUAL AND ASPIRATIONAL.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO RELY ON ON THE BOND PROGRAM TO DO THAT.

WELL, IS THE CITY IS THE $75 MILLION DID WE DID WE APPROVE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE WITH THE DME MUNICIPAL COMPLEX? THERE WAS MORE INFORMATION ON THAT THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT, LET ME ADDRESS THE PART THAT'S MINE.

AND THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR PERMISSION.

THEY JUST TOLD US WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO.

BUT HERE'S HERE'S THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.

OKAY. WHEN YOU WHEN YOU WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE.

UH, GO AHEAD.

LET ME. LET ME THINK. LET ME LET ME FIND MY NOTES.

DME PRESENTED THAT AS PART OF THEIR CIP CAPITAL BUDGET FOR 2024.

SO THAT BUDGET HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET BY COUNCIL, BUT THAT WAS THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS PRESENTED IN JUNE.

YES. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

AND WHAT DID I NEED TO SPEAK TO? NO, I'M SAYING THAT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE A BOND ELECTION IF WE NEED MUNICIPAL OFFICE SPACE. WHY? WE AREN'T ABLE TO BUILD MUNICIPAL OFFICE SPACE LIKE WE DO WITH A LOT OF THINGS.

SO I GUESS MAYBE IT'S A PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION OF WHAT THE VOTERS SHOULD VOTE ON OR IF WE HAVE A NEED AS A CITY ADMINISTRATION.

NOW, THAT'S GOING TO ENTAIL A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW BIG, HOW SMALL, WHERE SO FORTH AND SO ON.

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE COULDN'T MOVE THAT FORWARD IN A MORE DETAILED DISCUSSION WITH CEOS, BECAUSE, NUMBER ONE, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN A LOT FASTER.

AND I THINK I ASKED THE LIMITATION ON CEOS AND THE LIMITATION ON CEOS.

I BELIEVE CASSIE, YOU SAID WAS MORE AN INTERNAL IMPOSITION.

THERE'S NOT A STATE CAP ON CEOS.

THIS IS MORE WHAT WE HAVE AS OUR DEBT MANAGEMENT OR SOMETHING POLICY.

IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A STATE CAP ON THE TOTAL ALLOWABLE CEOS, BUT THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON THE USE OF CEOS.

BUT A MUNICIPAL COMPLEX IS A IS A POTENTIAL USE.

I'LL DEFER TO GREG SHAKER.

HE'S OUR BOND COUNSEL.

I'LL LET HIM ANSWER, SHAKING HIS HEAD.

YEAH, YEAH. COME ON.

GOT A QUESTION. GREG SCHACHER WITH MCCALL PARKERS AND HORTON BOND, COUNSEL TO THE CITY.

THE LEGISLATION LEGISLATURE DID RECENTLY ADD SOME LIMITATIONS ON THE BUT ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE BUILDINGS.

HOUSING THE GOVERNMENTAL FUNCTIONS OF THE MUNICIPALITY ARE ONE OF THE ALLOWED PUBLIC WORKS TO BE BUILT WITH CEOS.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS, MAYOR. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

COUNCILWOMAN MCGEE.

OH, I THINK I JUST WANT TO ANSWER FOR COUNCILMEMBER.

WHAT'S REALLY QUICKLY.

WE WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE BOND FUNDING COMMITTED TO THIS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CONTINUING TO EXPLORE A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

IT WAS AN ADDITIONAL INCENTIVE WE WERE CONSIDERING TO HAVE FUNDING AND THE LAND ASSET.

WE STILL HAVE THE LAND ASSET.

SO THOSE OUTSIDE OF THE BOND, IF IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED, WE STILL CAN GO DOWN THAT PATH OF EXPLORING A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

OR WE COULD JUST SAY, WE DON'T NEED THE PARTNERSHIP, WE NEED THE BUILDING.

LET'S BUILD THE BUILDING WITH WITH.

COS. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANKS. WELL, OKAY.

THAT STILL LEADS US TO THE QUESTION OF FOR ME JUST INTERJECTING MYSELF BECAUSE I DIDN'T TALK AT ALL THIS WHOLE TIME, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT, WHAT I'M LASER FOCUSED ON.

I DON'T SEE I'M WILLING TO BET ON THE PUBLIC AND TAKE THEIR GUIDANCE BECAUSE IT ALL NETS OUT TO AFFECT THEM AND THEIR TAX

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RATE AND THAT SORT OF THING.

AND SO FOR ME IT'S I'M NOT GOING TO HEAVY HANDED SAY WE NEED COS WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, I'M WILLING TO TAKE THE CHANCE AND SAY, HEY VOTERS, I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

AND IF YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S A PRIORITY, IF THE STAFF DOESN'T CONVEY THAT OR IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S NEEDED, GREAT VOTE.

NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE.

THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S MY FOCUS.

ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

I GUESS I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT A NUMBER WOULD BE.

FOR THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX? YES. SO WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED $70 MILLION.

WE INCREASED THAT TOTAL TO 111.9 MILLION.

BUT THAT INCREASE ALSO INCLUDES INCLUDED A PARKING STRUCTURE.

SO I THINK A REASONABLE ESTIMATE WOULD BE 70 OR 75 MILLION BASED ON THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'VE SEEN FROM DME USING THEIR SAME KIND OF SQUARE FOOTAGE AND COST PER SQUARE FOOT.

WOULD THAT NUMBER, MR. MAYOR, INCLUDE? WHAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR? NO, I THINK WE CAN GET IT LOWER THAN THAT.

IF YOU IF YOU ECONOMIES OF SCALE, IF YOU PUT A ADULT ACTIVE CENTER THERE WITH THE OFFICES ON TOP, I THINK YOU GET THERE, YOU CAN SAVE ON ON BOTH THOSE PROJECTS PARKING AS WELL.

I WOULD I MEAN WE SAW IT TODAY, RIGHT, JUST A JOINT MEETING WITH PNC AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE.

AND THAT THAT PARKING LOT WAS ABSOLUTELY FULL.

SO. SO THAT'S JUST A COUNCIL MEETING, NEVER MIND BLACK FILM FESTIVAL, ETCETERA, ETCETERA.

SO, YEAH, I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR PARKING, BUT WE'LL SEE, YOU KNOW.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER.

ESSER. SO, YEAH, I'M ALWAYS OPEN TO A BETTER IDEA, EVEN IF IT COMES IN LATE.

BUT MY PERCEPTION AND SOME OF YOU CAN CORRECT ME IS THAT THE HESITATION IN THE COMMITTEE WAS LARGELY AROUND IT NOT BEING FULLY THOUGHT THROUGH EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. AND MY CONCERN IS THAT, FIRST OF ALL, YOU TAKE 40 ACTUALLY CIVICALLY ENGAGED PEOPLE AND NOT ONE OF THEM, I MEAN, WAS WAS A YES AT THE END.

THEY'RE INTERESTED AND I TAKE YOUR POINT.

BUT IT WAS ZERO OUT OF 40 WANTED TO GO FORWARD WITH IT SO BECAUSE IT WASN'T FULLY BAKED AND IF THAT'S A GOOD PREDICTOR AND MAYBE IT ISN'T, MAYBE YOU CAN OVERCOME THE BARRIERS.

BUT IF THAT IF THAT IS A GOOD PREDICTOR FOR HOW THE ELECTION MIGHT GO.

THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU GET A NO THE ELECTION, THEN YOU CAN'T SPEND CITY MONEY ON IT FOR FIVE YEARS.

SO FRANKLY, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE GOOD IDEA WORKED OUT AND WHETHER IT'S CO OR IT'S A 2024 BOND, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN AN OPTION. YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO NOT PRECLUDE THE POSSIBILITY JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HEADED FOR A LIKELY NO OF THE ELECTORATE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT 40 VERY ENGAGED PEOPLE SAYING NO.

SO SO THAT'S THAT'S MY REASON NOT TO WANT IT ON THE ON THE BOND IF I MAY SO POINT TO THE PROJECT UP THERE AND I KNOW IT'S A IT'S A TRICK QUESTION POINT TO THE PROJECT UP THERE THAT IS FULLY BAKED.

THE ANSWER IS NONE OF THEM, EXCEPT FOR CITY HALL WEST, WHERE WE ALREADY SPENT MONEY TO HAVE IT EVALUATED.

IF IF I RECALL BACK TO GARY'S PRESENTATION ON THE TRAILS, HIS ANSWER WAS, I DON'T KNOW.

WE'LL HAVE TO SEE. DEPENDS ON WHAT GRANTS COME IN.

DEPENDS ON LOCATION.

THEN RIGHT AFTER THE CITY HALL CONVERSATION, DANNY HAD A PRESENTATION.

DANNY'S PRESENTATION MENTIONED AT LEAST THREE TIMES.

LIKE WHAT WAYNE SAID, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT OFFERS COME IN AND THEN WE'LL EVALUATE OPPORTUNITIES BASED ON THAT.

IT MAY HAVE BEEN 3 OR 4.

I CAN GIVE YOU EXACT IF I LOOK AT MY NOTES.

BUT AGAIN, FOR ALL THOSE TRACKING ALONG OTHER THAN CITY HALL, WEST POINT TO THE PROJECT THAT IS WELL DEVELOPED AND FLUSHED OUT AND SHOVEL READY, THERE'S NOT ONE.

THEY'RE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT.

WELL, NO QUESTION THAT NONE OF THEM ARE SHOVEL READY.

AND REALLY, THE TEST IS JUST FOR WHATEVER REASON, BAKED ENOUGH TO BE PERSUASIVE.

AND I GUESS SOME PEOPLE NEED LESS CONVINCING ON SOMETHING LIKE TRAILS THAN THEY DO ON VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION.

TO ME, IT'S JUST AN EMPIRICAL THING, LIKE IT WASN'T BAKED ENOUGH FOR THEM.

THAT THAT'S THAT'S ALL I'M GOING BY.

IF YOU WANT, I'LL GIVE YOU THE REST OF MY DIRECTION AND LOOK YOU GOT.

SURE. YEAH. LET'S JUST.

LET'S START THAT PROCESS TO YOUR POINT.

SO CITY HALL AS A, AS A CITY, MUNICIPAL COMPLEX, OFFICES, WHATEVER YOU.

YEAH I'M YEAH, I'M RIGHT.

I'M, I'M SAVING THAT FOR LATER AND I'M VERY INTERESTED AND I'M.

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AND I RESPECT THE PASSION THAT YOU HAVE FOR IT AND THE AND I WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT IT, BUT NOT ON THIS IN THIS MEASURE.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT BECAUSE FOR ALL THE REASONS WE STATED, I'M WITH EVERYTHING THERE.

I'M GOING TO GO WITH THE COMMITTEE ON MINGO AND QUIET ZONES WITHOUT RIDDELL.

AND SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT THAT WAY.

I JUST CANNOT KEEP UP.

RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IN THE BEGINNING.

OKAY. SO SO SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO.

DO YOU WANT TO DO IT? YEAH. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO ONE OFF.

AND THEN SO LET ME MAKE ONE COMMENT THAT THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN THAT.

MY OBSERVATION IS THIS COUNCIL REALLY LIKES THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR LAND ACQUISITION THAT HAVE BEEN THAT ARE IN GENERAL THAT ARE PRESENTED BY PARKS AND THEY ARE PRESENTED AT TIMES WITH NO FUNDING ATTACHED TO IT AT ALL.

THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED.

AND IT'S AND IN 2019 WE PUT MONEY IN FOR PARKLAND ACQUISITION AND WHILE HALF IS SPENT, THE HALF THAT'S NOT SPENT, IT'S EARMARKED, IT HAS A DESTINY ALREADY. SO, YOU KNOW, I FEEL WE SHOULD HAVE ON THE LIST FOR FOR US TO YAY OR NAY CONSISTENT WITH 2019. BUT I WOULD SAY JUST BASED ON PROJECTS THAT I'VE SEEN GO THROUGH A CONSERVATIVE NUMBER WOULD BE A 10 MILLION ITEM ON LAND ACQUISITION FOR PARKS.

SO THAT'S JUST NOT ON THE LIST.

SO THAT'S WHY I SPOKE TO IT NOW.

OKAY. AND CAN YOU PUT THE THIS IS STAFF'S PROJECT, THIS IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

IS THAT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US? OKAY, GREAT.

AND AND I'LL JUST SAY BRIEFLY, COUNCILMAN BYRD.

GIVE ME ONE SECOND. BUT BUT JUST YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT NOT VETTED AT ALL, RIGHT? NO, NO CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.

AND WE ALL APPOINTED PEOPLE.

YOUR APPOINTEES, MY APPOINTEES.

NO ONE BROUGHT IT UP. KEVIN MENTIONED IT WAS KIND OF HOVERED AROUND.

SO I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT IT.

NOT BECAUSE OF THAT.

IT JUST WAS NOT VETTED.

LIKE AT LEAST WHEN I'M TRYING TO ADD SOMETHING, IT HAD MARKS THAT HAD DISCUSSIONS.

AND IT HAD KIND OF THOUGHTS AROUND IT.

I'M CONCERNED THAT THAT WOULD JUST COME OUT OF LEFT FIELD.

AND AND I'LL NOTE AT THE I HAVE THE TIMESTAMP, IT'S LIKE AT THREE AT THE END OF THE MEETING, NO, BEFORE DELIBERATIONS, THE LAST MEETING THERE IS AN OPEN COMMENT PERIOD.

SO I'VE HEARD A NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY THEY WERE THERE IN THAT MEETING, BUT THEY DIDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPEN COMMENT PERIOD TO BRING IT UP THERE EITHER.

SO NOT ONLY WAS THE COMMITTEE DIDN'T DO IT, THOSE THAT SAID THEY ATTENDED EVERY MEETING OR SAT IN THE MEETINGS DIDN'T BRING IT UP THEN.

SO THAT IS MY CONCERN WITH INTERJECTING IT NOW.

COUNCILMEMBER BURTON. I'M LOOKING I'M THINKING ABOUT THE THIS.

THIS USE THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING ON.

MAYOR AND YOU HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT ADDING ADDITIONAL ACTIVITIES IN THIS IN THIS SPACE.

SO IT COULD BE A TRUE COMMUNITY SPACE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THAT I WAS HEARING.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE SENIOR CENTER.

SENIOR CITIZENS FACILITY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY I CAN'T SEE THAT RIGHT NOW.

48 ACTIVE ADULT CENTER.

SO IF WE THAT'S A SEPARATE CENTER RIGHT NOW.

BUT IF WE ADD THAT ON TO THIS CITY FACILITY, NEW CITY FACILITY WHERE THEY CAN HAVE THEIR OWN SPACE, THAT 48 MILLION THERE, WOULD THAT BE TRANSFERRED OVER INTO THIS 100 AND SOMETHING MILLION SOMETHING AND THAT'LL KIND OF BRING THAT NUMBER DOWN? I THINK THE THOUGHT IS WE WOULD SPEND THE 46 OR HOWEVER MUCH COUNCIL ALLOCATED FOR THE ACTIVE ADULT CENTER, AND THEN A SEPARATE ALLOCATION WOULD BE FOR THE MEETING SPACE, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, KIND OF THE SECOND FLOOR, IF YOU WILL.

SO WE WOULD TRY TO KEEP THOSE SEPARATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

BUT THE TOTAL COMBINED PROJECT MAY BE LESS THAN THE 70.

THAT'LL BE GREAT. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER SINCE WE WANT TO MAKE THIS FACILITY THAT THE MAYOR IS SPEAKING OF A TRUE COMMUNITY ACTIVITY SPACE WHERE THERE'S PLACES THAT YOU COULD RENT ROOMS OR GO AND WORK OUT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WOULD BE IN THERE, MAYBE A LITTLE CHILD CARE CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, A LITTLE CHILD CARE SPACE.

SO FOR EMPLOYEES.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING AN ADDITIONAL SPACE LIKE THAT.

I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THANK YOU.

AND THEN WE'LL JUST GO AROUND OUR ASK TO BE RECOGNIZED THIS.

SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ON THE LIST.

WE'LL TAKE UP THE I'LL TAKE UP THIS AND THEN I'LL TAKE UP THE SO THAT YOU'LL HAVE A ROADMAP.

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WE'LL TAKE UP CITY OFFICES MEETING SPACE WILL TAKE UP THE LAND PROPOSAL AND THEN WE'LL GO TOP TO BOTTOM WITH STAFF PROPOSED AND I'LL KEEP KEEP TRACK OF THAT.

AND SO OBVIOUSLY I SUPPORT ADDING THE CITY OFFICES MEETING SPACE I DIDN'T TOUCH ON BECAUSE I DIDN'T.

AND I DON'T WANT IT TO BE THIS TO BE BOMBASTIC.

I'M NOT TRYING TO BE.

WHAT'S THE WORD ANYWAY? I DON'T WANT TO. BE HYPERBOLIC OR ALL THOSE OTHER TERMS FOR THIS.

BUT I'LL TELL YOU FROM A FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT, THE FACTS ARE THE FACTS.

PEOPLE BROKE IN HERE TWICE, ONCE SPENT THE NIGHT.

IT'S LIKE YOU DON'T GET YOU DON'T GET A LOT OF WARNINGS.

WE'VE GOTTEN TWO WARNINGS AND THEN FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF PUBLIC RESTROOMS. THERE'S ONE AND IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING AND.

THERE'S JUST THERE'S WE LEAVE COUNCIL, WE WALK IN THE HALLWAY.

THERE'S JUST A LOT TO BE ADDRESSED AND NOT.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE'RE TALKING QUALITY OF LIFE.

AND SO I SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE OUR CITY EMPLOYEES, OUR MANAGEMENT CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEY CAN, BUT FOR FOR RISK OF GETTING CALLED ALL KINDS OF THINGS AND SELF-SERVING, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WILL COME, THEY I DON'T ADVISE THEY DO THAT.

I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, BE CALLED ALL THOSE THINGS.

BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT IT NETS OUT IS I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE THE VOTERS HAVING A SAY AND THE VOTE THE CITY STAFF BY PROXY HAVING A SAY TO WHETHER THEY WANT TO SUPPORT THIS OR NOT.

AND. AS AS AS CATEGORIZED HERE.

TRUST THAT PROCESS.

I TRUST THE VOTERS PROCESS AND ANALYSIS FOR NOVEMBER TO RENDER A RESULT, AND WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT RESULT AS IT COMES.

BUT I THINK IT'S RIGHT AND PROPER TO TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.

SO I'M SUPPORTIVE.

ANYONE ELSE ON THIS IS WE'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT CITY OFFICES MEETING SPACE.

AND OBVIOUSLY I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE COMBINED.

THIS IS IN THE EFFECT TO HAVE THAT SYNERGY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT OR DIFFERENT BUILDINGS BUT ACTIVE ADULT CITY HALL SYNERGY, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M PUTTING FORWARD FOR CONSIDERATION. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE JUST WANT TO ASK A QUESTION BRIEFLY, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

SURE. I APPRECIATE.

COUNCILMEMBER WHAT'S BRINGING UP THE IDEA OF COS IT WAS NOT SOMETHING I HAD I HAD CONSIDERED IN THIS.

HELP ME HELP CLARIFY THIS FOR ME.

IF WE WERE TO PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT AND IT FAILS, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO USE COS FOR FIVE YEARS.

THREE YEARS. THREE YEARS.

UM, THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED WE BRING THIS BACK.

THE VERY NEXT BOND, WHEN THE PROJECT WAS A LITTLE MORE BAKED, RIGHT? CORRECT. WHEN'S THE NEXT BOND GOING TO HAPPEN? WE'RE TENTATIVELY PLANNING FOR 2026, WHICH IS IN THREE YEARS.

RIGHT. AND UNLESS THE LEGISLATION CHANGES, THAT RESTRICTS IT TO FIVE YEARS, WHICH IS WHAT WAS PROPOSED, BUT IT WAS VETOED AND COULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE NEXT SPECIAL SESSION.

OKAY. SO LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS TO MISS TO PICK UP WHERE MISS BYRD LEFT OFF.

SO THE MAYOR HAD AN IDEA ABOUT COMBINING OUR CITY FACILITIES EXCUSE ME, OUR CITY FACILITIES WITH AN ACTIVE ADULT CENTER.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT EVEN IF WE DID THAT, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO PRESENT TWO SEPARATE LINE ITEMS TO THE VOTERS.

EVEN THOUGH THE BUILDING WOULD BE COMBINED, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO JUST COMBINE THEM BOTH ON THE BALLOT FOR THE VOTERS.

IS THAT BECAUSE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

GO AHEAD. DO YOU WANT.

NO, NO, I'M JUST KIND OF RELAYING IS THAT I'M GOING TO DEFER TO GREG ON.

OKAY. PLEASE. BECAUSE I'M JUST I JUST WANT TO GET SOME UNDERSTANDING SINCE IT'S WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED TOGETHER AS ONE BUILDING, WHY WOULDN'T THE VOTERS SEE IT TOGETHER? SO THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THIS.

THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION THAT WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF CHANGES FROM THE LEGISLATURE ON ON BOND PROPOSITIONS.

BUT I'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH THE OTHERS IN MY OFFICE THAT ARE DO LOTS OF ELECTIONS.

AND I BELIEVE THAT EVEN WITH ALL THE CHANGES, WE COULD STILL HAVE A SINGLE PROPOSITION COMBINING MULTIPLE PURPOSES IN A SINGLE BUILDING.

IT HAS TO BE A SINGLE FACILITY, SINGLE BUILDING.

SO NOT A COMPLEX OF BUILDINGS WITH SEPARATE BUILDINGS, BUT A SINGLE FACILITY THAT COULD HOUSE MULTIPLE MUNICIPAL PURPOSES.

SO IF WE DID BOTTOM LEVEL, ACTIVE ADULT LEVELS UP CITY OFFICES, FACILITIES, CITY HALL MEETING SPACE, THAT WOULD THAT COULD APPEAR ON THE BALLOT AS ONE PROPOSITION, CORRECT.

THE PROPOSITION SHOULD BE CLEAR ON THE PURPOSES, BUT IT CAN BE A SINGLE PROPOSITION.

OKAY. MR. MAYOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO JUST HEAR FROM MY COLLEAGUES BEFORE I COME BACK.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM.

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THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

WE'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION ALREADY SORT OF ON THE IDEAS OF THAT.

WE'RE SORT OF FLOATING NEW IDEAS AND I DON'T WANT TO AND I'M GOING TO MISS PARAPHRASE COUNCILOR MELTZER, I DON'T WANT TO LET A NEW GOOD IDEA BE AN ENEMY OR WHATEVER THE PHRASE YOU SAID.

BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, I THINK WHILE ALL THE ITEMS ONE THROUGH 14 HAD SUPPORT, THEY QUIBBLED ABOUT HOW MUCH SUPPORT, ABOUT HALF OF THEM WERE FULLY SUPPORTED.

THEY QUIBBLED ABOUT, WELL, DO WE TAKE $12 OR $12 MILLION OFF THIS ONE OR DO WE MOVE IT DOWN THE ROAD? BUT THEY WEREN'T OBJECTING TO THE NOTION OF IT AND THE NEED FOR IT.

THE ONE THAT I THINK WE WE NEED TO BEAR IN MIND IS THE ONE THING THAT WAS JUST ELIMINATED OUTRIGHT ON AN ALL THE SPOT POLLING AND THE FINAL VOTING BY THE BOND COMMITTEE THAT WE PUT IN PLACE WITH NO SUPPORT WAS THIS IDEA OF THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX. NOW, IF THEY HEARD A NEW IDEA, YOU COULD BRING THAT BACK IN A YEAR ON SOMETHING ELSE.

YOU COULD YOU COULD PROPOSE IT FOR COS OR WHATEVER.

BUT IF WE PUT IT ON NOW AND I THINK WE, WE DO THESE CITIZEN COMMITTEES AS A THERMOSTAT, AS A RHEOSTAT FOR HOW WE THINK THE VOTERS ARE GOING TO VOTE.

AND THAT WAS UNANIMOUS THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT.

NOW HOW STRONG THEY FELT ABOUT IT.

MAYBE SOME OF THEM WERE WEAK, SOME OF THEM WERE STRONG.

BUT IT WAS I THINK WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES, WHAT IS THE POINT OF A CITIZEN'S BOND COMMITTEE IF IF WE'RE GOING TO YOU KNOW, WE COULD SAY, WELL, YOU LIKE THIS, BUT YOU WEREN'T SURE ABOUT THAT NUMBER.

OKAY. YOU KNOW, WE COULD DECIDE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.

WE'LL COME TO THOSE IN A SECOND.

I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO JUMP AHEAD.

BUT FOR THIS ITEM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF BRINGING BACK THAT WE HAVE YOU KNOW, WE USE OUR EXISTING CITY FACILITIES WISELY, THAT WE PUT OTHER OFFICES THAT WE REPURPOSE THEM.

THOSE ARE ALL IDEAS THAT WE CAN WE CAN BRING FORWARD, PARTICULARLY WITH THE BOND MONIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE RENOVATIONS.

BUT AND THAT IS IN LINE WITH WHAT THE COMMITTEE TOLD US.

BUT I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO 100, ANYWHERE FROM 75 TO $111 MILLION, THAT JUST ADD ON, THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSION THAT WE WE BRING BACK.

AND THIS WAS THE ONE THAT WAS UNANIMOUSLY ELIMINATED.

SO THEY HAD DISCUSSION.

THE OTHER ONE THAT GOT CLOSE WAS AQUATICS.

AND AFTER DISCUSSION, THEY EVENTUALLY BROUGHT IT BACK.

SO THIS ONE AFTER DISCUSSION WAS NOT BROUGHT BACK.

AND I THINK WE WE NEED TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF THAT.

SO I AM RIDICULOUSLY ON BOARD TO FIGURING OUT HOW WE RENOVATE SPACE, SOME SORT OF MUSICAL CHAIRS OF KEEP KEEPING THE SENIOR CENTER AND MUSICAL CHAIRS IN THAT WHILE WE RENOVATE SOMEWHERE ELSE AND PLAYING ALL KINDS OF GAMES OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS WITH THE SPACE THAT WE OWN, JUST IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PLAY MUSICAL CHAIRS WITH FIRE STATION SIX AND THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE BUYING DOWN THERE ON RYAN ROAD SO WE CAN BE CREATIVE.

AND I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES IF WE WANT TO BRING A BUILDING BACK IN THE FUTURE.

BUT I CAN'T GET ON BOARD ON SOMETHING WHERE THE ENTIRE BOND COMMITTEE SAID NO.

SO I MY DIRECTION ON THAT ONE IS IS AGAINST.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN WHAT'S A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS? MAYOR WHAT? I MEAN, WHAT KIND OF MONEY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT A NUMBER IN THERE.

WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? CERTAINLY IF YOU IF YOU TAKE STAFF NUMBER AT 70 MILLION AND IT DEPENDS ON IF YOU'RE TALKING PARKING OR NOT, I'M WILLING TO STRIP OUT STRIP OUT THE PARKING.

IF I USE STAFF NUMBER 70 MILLION AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE WHERE'S THE ACTIVE ADULT IS IS 40.

SO LET'S SAY YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO CARVE OUT ABOUT EASY MATH.

LET'S JUST STRIP IT OUT AND SAY 6 MILLION, BE CONSERVATIVE, 40 MILLION THERE, 70 MILLION THAT I SAY THERE.

SO YOU'RE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MATH IS.

30 MILLION. YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF YOU IF YOU IF YOU HAVE THE SYNERGIES IN ONE BUILDING AND YOU APPLY THE I THINK IT'S 40, HOW MUCH IS THE SENIOR CENTER? 40. 46. 46 MILLION.

IF YOU USE, LET'S JUST SAY FOR MATH PURPOSES, $76 MILLION FOR TOTAL FOR THE SENIOR CENTER AND ADDITIONAL OFFICES, 76 MILLION.

YOU GOT A $46 MILLION CREDIT.

THAT'S $30 MILLION.

MY MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT AND I'M YOU KNOW, I'M PROBABLY LESS OPEN THAN NOT.

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I'VE ALWAYS SAID FROM THE BEGINNING, I DON'T KNOW, I COULDN'T GET ON BOARD WITH SPENDING 100, $110 MILLION ON.

BUT IF THE BOND COMMITTEE SAID PUT IT ON THE BALLOT, I'D SAY LET THE VOTERS DECIDE.

BUT MY CONCERN WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW BY PROVIDING THESE SYNERGIES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONCEPT THAT WAS NEVER PRESENTED.

PLUS, WE'VE BEEN SAYING WE JUST SPENT 30 MINUTES TALKING ABOUT THE LIBRARY SAYING WE WANT TO DO SYNERGIES WITH THE LIBRARY ON THIS PARK LAND THAT WE'RE BUYING.

SO WE'RE BASICALLY NOW SORT OF PEELING THIS OFF IN CHUNKS.

I WILL SAY, I THINK THERE WAS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE BOND COMMITTEE.

AND MAYOR, I AGREE WITH YOU, WE NEED SPACE.

I THINK THERE'S A MORE EFFECTIVE WAY TO DO IT AND A MORE A QUICKER WAY TO DO IT.

BUT WHEN WHEN THAT LAST MEETING, THE FIRST ROUND WAS, NOBODY SUPPORTED IT.

GREAT. GREG JOHNSON DID BRING UP IN THAT MEETING.

HE SAID, I'LL MAKE A PROPOSAL.

LET'S LET'S GIVE 20 MILLION TO THE NEW MUNICIPAL COMPLEX.

HE DID. HE DID MOVE THAT FORWARD.

I THINK THERE WAS.

WAS THERE ONE VOTE? HE GOT A SECOND. 1 OR 2.

HE GOT A SECOND. YEAH. YEAH.

SO, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT COULD BE CONVINCED FOR SOME LITTLE SMALL AMOUNT, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON A SEPARATE BALLOT BECAUSE I'VE SAID AND I'VE BEEN CONSISTENT ALL ALONG THAT WHEN WE COMBINE THIS WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU SORT OF, KIND OF WOULD USE THAT NOT ANYBODY USE THAT COULD BE USED THE SAME WITH THE SENIOR CENTER.

BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE LIBRARY? WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE SYNERGY OF THE PARKLAND OUT THERE ON RYAN ROAD? I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE REALLY BEGINNING TO REDESIGN THIS WHOLE THING THAT WAS NEVER PRESENTED TO THE BOND COMMITTEE.

NONE. NONE OF IT.

SO UNLESS I HEAR SOMETHING THAT IS A REASONABLE AMOUNT THAT'S ON A SEPARATE BALLOT, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN DO IT.

SO I CAN'T SUPPORT IT SINCE THE BOND COMMITTEE HAD A CHANCE TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT IT AND THEY DID.

AND IT DIDN'T GO.

YEAH, NO. AND I BUT AGAIN, I JUST AND I SEE HOW THIS IS GOING AND I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

I DID MY PART.

AND IT IS I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON.

SO THAT BEING SAID, THOUGH, THE STANDARDS I'M HEARING ARE IT'S JUST IT'S JUST BIASED.

AND THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THE PART THAT'S TROUBLING FOR ME BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE REARRANGING, REENGINEERING THE ADULT ACTIVE CENTER AND THE SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY, WHEREAS I'M RESPONDING AND REENGINEERING, CERTAINLY.

BUT IF I IF YOU RECALL LENNY MCADAMS SAYING SHE HAS NOTHING TO DO AND IN COMMON WITH KIDS, THEY NEED THEIR OWN SPACE.

AND SO THEIR OWN SPACE WITH CITY EMPLOYEES IS DIFFERENT TO ME THAN THEIR OWN SPACE WITH A LIBRARY AS PROPOSED.

AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DRIVING OUR ADULTS, ACTIVE ADULTS DRIVING RYAN ROAD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT OR WHENEVER THEY'RE HAVING EVENTS AND TRYING TO FIND PARKING.

AND I MEAN THAT JUST SO YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO RESPOND TO WHAT I HEARD.

AND IF THAT'S NOT RESONATED AND THERE'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY.

THERE'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, I CAN ONLY DO WHAT I CAN DO.

SO I NEED TO HEAR FROM ANYONE ELSE.

WE'RE MOVING ON. COUNCILMAN HALL.

IN MY ESTIMATION, THE TOP TWO ITEMS ON THAT LIST ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS ON THAT LIST.

THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENRY ARE FOREMOST.

I THINK IT SORT OF FALLS OFF AFTER THAT.

AS FAR AS AS FAR AS TERMS OF IMPORTANCE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ACTIVE ADULT CENTER IS IS IS USED.

BUT FRIENDS, WE'RE TALKING $50 MILLION DOLLARS ON THAT.

WE HAVE A BUILDING DOWN THE STREET THAT WE A VACANT BUILDING.

WE CAN'T THINK OF WHAT TO DO WITH IT.

WE JUST WE SIMPLY GOT MORE SPACE THAN WE CAN USE.

WE CAN'T USE IT.

I TRUST THE PEOPLE THAT I APPOINTED TO THE TO THE BOND BOARD.

I THINK THEY DID A GOOD JOB AND THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA.

I CAN'T SUPPORT IT EITHER.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS THE LAND ACQUISITION.

SO. YES.

COUNCILMAN. MCGEE. ARE WE? YES. I DON'T THERE'S NO ONE IN A HURRY TO TO.

SO EVEN EVEN REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU FALL, WE'RE SHORT OF PUTTING IT BEFORE THE VOTERS, SO.

YES, SIR. I WILL JUST SAY THAT I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION PLEA FOR THIS AS MUCH AS WE ALL SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TREAT ALL OF OUR CITY STAFF WELL.

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AND I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT IT WON'T MOVE FORWARD HERE.

BUT I DO AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER WHAT'S I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT TRYING TO DO IT A DIFFERENT ROUTE SPECIFICALLY FOR WHAT YOU JUST WHAT YOU JUST SAID WHEN YOU ASKED THE CITY MANAGER, GIVEN THE THE INFLATION AND THE INCREASES IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND MATERIALS, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A WORLD OF HURT IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING SOON.

SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO TO REVISIT THIS SOON.

SO. OKAY.

LAND ACQUISITION FOR OR AGAINST LIGHTNING ROUND OR COMMENTS OR WHATEVER.

BUT LET'S LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH.

SO COUNCILMAN MELTZER'S FOR I'M AGAINST ANYONE ELSE.

COUNCILWOMAN BIRDSEYE FOR MAYOR PRO TEM FOR EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T DISCUSSED.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

I THOUGHT YOU WANTED LIGHTNING ROUND.

DO YOU WANT DISCUSSION? I'M HAPPY TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

I DO. I DO WANT A CLEAR RECORD AS TO WHY YOU WENT ONE WAY, ONE WAY AND ANOTHER WAY ANOTHER WAY.

I'M HAPPY TO.

CERTAINLY SO. SO I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE THROUGH LINE OF WHERE WE'RE TRIPPING AND HAVING STUMBLING BLOCKS, IT IS FIRE STATION ONE AND LAND ACQUISITION.

WHAT'S THE NEXT TRIPPING POINT? IT'S THE LIBRARY AND LAND ACQUISITION.

WHAT'S THE NEXT TRIPPING POINT? IT'S THE SENIOR CENTER AND LAND ACQUISITION.

WHAT'S THE NEXT TRIPPING POINT? IT'S THE CITY HALL, MUNICIPAL COMPLEX AND LAND ACQUISITION.

ALMOST ALL OF THESE ARE SOME SORT OF FORM OF LAND ACQUISITION.

SO THE FACT THAT IT IS A MASSIVE MAJOR THROUGH LINE MEANS NEVER AGAIN IN THE HISTORY OF DENTON SHOULD WE NOT HAVE THIS ON THERE? IF YOU WANT A LIGHTNING ROUND ANSWER, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THAT IMPORTANT, I DO.

I'LL SAY YES, BUT THAT WAS MY EXPLANATION.

I THINK YOU WERE RIGHT TO CALL ME ON MY HYPOCRISY ON THAT ONE.

BUT THERE'S A THROUGH LINE ON ALL OF THESE.

BUT THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT DISCUSSION.

YOU TOOK ISSUE WITH THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T DISCUSSED, IF I HEARD YOU RIGHT, NOT NOT THE NEED OF IT.

I TAKE YOUR POINT ON THE NEED OF LAND.

BUT YOU SAID A STICKING POINT WAS THAT IT WASN'T WASN'T BROUGHT UP WITH THE BOND COMMITTEE.

AND SO I AGREE WITH THAT POINT.

LAND ACQUISITION WASN'T BROUGHT UP WITH THE BOND COMMITTEE.

IT WAS AND IT WASN'T.

THEY DIDN'T RESOLVE ANYTHING BECAUSE IT WASN'T IT WASN'T DISCUSSED AS A AS A BOND OPTION.

CAN I CLARIFY, IS THIS PARK LAND ACQUISITION OR IS THIS ALL LAND ACQUISITION? BECAUSE JUST CAUTION, CAUTIONARY NOTE, IF IT'S ALL LAND ACQUISITION, IT HAS TO BE ON A SEPARATE PROPOSITION.

AND IF IT FAILS, THE CITY IS NOT WE CAN'T ISSUE CODES TO ACQUIRE LAND.

MY INTENTION WAS SPECIFICALLY LAND ACQUISITION FOR PARKS PARALLEL TO 2019, WHICH INCIDENTALLY PASSED VERY STRONGLY AND IT WAS AS A SEPARATE ITEM.

SO I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF I WANT TO BE CAREFUL AND AND THIS BODY KNOWS HOW MUCH I ACTUALLY REALLY DO SUPPORT PARK LAND ACQUISITION.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE GESTALT THAT I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THERE AND I DON'T WANT TO PRECLUDE FUTURE BOND PACKAGES, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO REVERSE MYSELF ON THAT.

YEAH. SO ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN WATSON. YEAH, I'M AGAINST THIS.

AND FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT PAUL, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU YOU'VE HAD MORE THAN AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THIS FORWARD.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THESE PROJECTS BEFORE.

WE SEND IT TO THE BOND COMMITTEE.

AS FAR AS THE THREAD RUNNING THROUGH HERE, LAND ACQUISITION IS INCLUDED IN THIS.

WELL, OKAY.

OKAY. WELL, ALL RIGHT.

FAIR ENOUGH. I STAND CORRECTED.

IT WAS A PUBLIC MEETING, HUH? YEAH, IT WAS A PUBLIC MEETING.

NO, I STAND CORRECTED. THAT'S FINE.

I GUESS. I'VE JUST IMAGINED YOU'D BEEN ON HERE ALL THE TIME.

SO. SO AND SO AND SO.

I CAN. I CAN APPRECIATE THAT.

HOWEVER, I THINK IT'S DISINGENUOUS TO THEN COME IN AND SAY THAT YOU'RE NOT FOR A CITY HALL BECAUSE THE BOND COMMITTEE TOTALLY REJECTED IT 100%.

AND SECONDLY, IT WAS NEVER BROUGHT UP IN THE BOND COMMITTEE.

AND DID YOU ATTEND ANY OF THOSE MEETINGS? OKAY. AND YOU EVEN ASKED THE QUESTION.

SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS FOR THE SAME REASON.

AND TO BE CONSISTENT THAT IF I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE MAYOR IN BRINGING FORTH SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED, I CAN'T SUPPORT BRINGING FORTH LAND ACQUISITION FOR PARKS.

LOOK, FOLKS, WE'RE BUYING SO MUCH LAND.

WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO EVEN DEVELOP THE LAND WE'VE GOT.

WE'VE GOT SO MUCH PARK LAND AND IT'S NOTHING AGAINST PARKS, WHEREAS.

GARY, NOTHING AGAINST PARKS.

I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT A LAND BANK.

IT I GET IT.

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BUT $10 MILLION THAT COULD GO TO DEVELOP THE 71 ACRES OR WHATEVER'S OUT THERE OUT BY HICKORY CREEK.

SO WE HAD 1 IN 2019.

SO IF WE KEEP SPENDING MONEY TO BUY PARK LAND THAT WE CAN'T DEVELOP, IT'S NO GOOD BECAUSE WE HAD A LIST OF ALL THE PARKS THAT WE HAD OR THE LAND THAT PARKS OWNED.

THE SPECIFIC QUESTION WAS WHICH ONE OF THOSE CAN THE COMMUNITY USE? THE ONLY ONE THAT THE PUBLIC CAN USE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE DEVELOPED OR PART OF A TRAIL SYSTEM THAT ARE STILL MAINTAINED, YOU KNOW, LIKE CLEAR CREEK AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO I'M ALL FOR PARKS, I'M ALL FOR PARKS, YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO.

SO I JUST THINK TO BRING IT UP NOW IS, IS IS UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS VETTED AND WHAT WASN'T.

AND THEN SO I GET IT.

YOU'RE ENTITLED TO ASK FOR IT.

YOU CAN'T GET WHAT YOU DON'T ASK FOR.

BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT IT.

OKAY. MAY MAYOR RESPOND SINCE I WAS.

YES, SURE. YEAH.

I MEAN, OF COURSE, I WASN'T HERE TO ASK IT EARLY ON.

THAT'LL BE A MEME. TRUST ME.

THERE'S A DIFFERENCE TO ME BETWEEN SOMETHING THAT WAS REVIEWED AND REJECTED AND SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO.

AND FOR SURE, IF I HAD HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IT IN AS I DID IN 2019, I WOULD HAVE.

AND THEN I WOULD ALSO JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO REVEAL THINGS THAT ARE SAID IN CLOSED SESSION.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THERE ARE THERE ARE AMPLE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ALREADY HAVE SUPPORT TO TO USE MUCH OF THAT FUNDING. SO I'M NOT JUST KIND OF MAKING IT UP OUT OF THIN AIR, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT AGAIN WHEN THOSE PROJECTS COME UP AND THERE'S NO MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THEM.

SO, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS GOT TO HAVE THEIR SAY, TOO.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

YEAH. OKAY.

COUNCILOR HOLLAND, TIMING.

IT'S TIMING. IT'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THIS.

REMEMBER WHAT'S BRINGS UP AN EXCELLENT POINT WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT LAND, WE GOT LAND NOW I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE LAND AND TAX IT AND GET THE MONEY FOR THE TAXES. THAT'S.

THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO.

IF WE DON'T NEED IT. I DON'T WANT TO.

I DON'T WANT TO. I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT AND TAKE IT OFF THE TAX ROLLS.

NO. OKAY.

SO FIRE STATION FIVE FOR OR AGAINST.

SO I'LL SUPPORT THAT.

ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM.

YES. YES. OKAY.

COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND. YES.

COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE. OKAY.

YES. WATSON BYRD AND MELTZER.

SO WE'RE GOOD THERE.

SIX ANY DIFFERENCE FROM ANYBODY DISSENTING ON FIRE STATION SIX SEEING NONE IN SOME FORM.

OKAY. YES. YES.

OKAY. YES.

SEVEN THERE. OAKLAND DRAINAGE UPSTREAM DETENTION IMPROVEMENTS ANYONE.

ANY DISSENTING OPINIONS THERE? COUNCILWOMAN, WHAT'S YOU? GOOD.

GOOD. OKAY. OKAY.

YES. THAT'S SEVEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I'M SORRY. PACK THREE AND FOUR.

SORRY. THANK YOU.

ANYONE AGAINST.

OKAY, THAT'S GOOD, THEN.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

15. IT WAS BUMPED UP TO 15 MILLION COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

MAY I ASK A QUESTION ON THAT? CERTAINLY. SO WE SET IT AT TEN.

HOW DID THEY GET TO 15? THEY REMOVED THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX AND SO THEY HAD ROOM IN THAT CAP.

THAT COUNCIL PROVIDED THE $335 MILLION CAP TO INCREASE A COUPLE OF THE PROJECTS.

AND SO AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS VOTED TO INCREASE BY 5 MILLION.

WELL, WE WERE REMOVING THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX THAT'S 70.

LIKE WE CAN BUMP IT UP SIGNIFICANTLY.

THEN HOW DID WE ONLY GET TO 5 MILLION? WE GAVE THEM AN OPTION.

I BELIEVE WE GAVE THEM AN OPTION OF FIVE UP OR DOWN EITHER WAY.

AND SO THE MAJORITY VOTED FOR FIVE.

SO HOW DID YOU ALL STAFF COME WITH COME WITH THE FIVE? WELL, THIS IS A NEW PROGRAM.

WE'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.

AND SO WE FELT LIKE WE HAD CAPACITY TO DO FIVE AN ADDITIONAL FIVE.

BUT OVER THAT IT WAS MORE STAFF CAPACITY TO SPEND THEM.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I APPRECIATE THAT. CASSIE.

OKAY, SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT NUMBER.

ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE NOT SUPPORTIVE, LET'S SAY COUNCILMAN AT TEN.

AT TEN. OKAY.

SO ANYONE ELSE AT TEN? SEEING NONE OKAY, AT 15 ANYONE EVERYONE ON BOARD? OKAY. GOT IT.

OKAY. SIX 115 AND THEN ACTIVE ADULT CENTER.

ANYONE EVERYONE'S GOOD.

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OKAY. AND SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY.

SO AT THE.

OKAY. ANYONE.

COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S. I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT, AT LEAST THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO STICK WITH THE BOND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY. IS THAT INCLUDING THE SAME SITE? JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION.

YEAH. THE BOND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED EXPANDING ON THE EXISTING SITE.

IS THAT HOW IT'S GOING TO APPEAR ON THE ON THE THE BALLOT? THIS WILL LIKELY BE PART OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE PROPOSITION, INCLUDING WITH WITH PARKS.

AND SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY CLARIFYING LANGUAGE ABOUT THE EXISTING SITE VERSUS A FUTURE SITE.

OKAY. SO QUESTION THEN PROBABLY FOR BOND COUNSEL, IF IF THE AMOUNT WERE 30, THE BOND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED 38 MILLION TO STAY IN THE SAME SITE TO EXPAND THE SAME SITE, CORRECT? RIGHT. SO IF I GUESS THE QUESTION DOES THAT DOES THAT LANGUAGE WITH THAT SPECIFICITY APPEAR ON THE BOND BALLOT? OR IF NOT, DOES THAT MEAN IF YOU WANTED TO RELOCATE IT, YOU COULD DO SO AS LONG AS YOU STAYED WITHIN THE THE PARAMETERS OF THE 38 MILLION AS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS. SO THERE I GUESS THERE'S TWO WAYS TO LIMIT ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT.

ONE IS TO TO DO SO IN THE BOND MEASURE ITSELF.

THE OTHER WAY TO DO TO ENSURE IT'S LIMITED IS FOR COUNCIL TO ADOPT A SEPARATE RESOLUTION OR SOME OTHER WE CALL IT THE CONTRACT WITH THE VOTERS.

SO WHERE YOU PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAILS OR LIMITATIONS ON PARTICULAR PROJECTS THAT ARE PART OF A BIGGER BOND BOND MEASURE BECAUSE THIS ONE WOULD BE PART OF THE THE QUALITY OF LIFE OR THE PARKS MEASURE.

SO, SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS TO DO IT, BUT TO TRULY LIMIT IT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SPELLED OUT EITHER IN THE BOND MEASURE FOR THE PROJECT OR A SEPARATE COUNCIL ACTION.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY.

APPRECIATE IT. YEAH, I'M GOING TO STICK WITH THE BOND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION.

SO I'M A NO ON THAT. OKAY.

COUNCILMAN MCGEE. APPLETON WILL GO FIRST.

OH, I'M SORRY. YES, I'M SORRY.

MAYOR PRO TEM, THEN COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WILL JUST POINT OUT THAT WE.

WE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY FOR FIRE STATION SEVEN AT THE.

SORRY. RIGHT.

SEVEN FOR SIX.

THANK YOU. AND THAT PROPOSAL INCLUDED NO LAND ACQUISITION AND IS COUPLED WITH THE LIBRARY THAT WE'RE NOW DEBATING.

SO, I MEAN, WE CAN DEBATE THE SIX VERSUS LIBRARY COUPLING IN WHICH WE HAVE NOT.

BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR SIX AS IS, THEN WE NEED TO VOTE FOR LIBRARY AS IS.

I WILL CHANGE MY VOTE ON SIX BECAUSE I THINK IT SHOULD BE DECOUPLED.

YEAH. SO MY VOTE ON SIX WOULD BE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DECOUPLE IT.

IN OTHER WORDS, GIVE IT AN OPPORTUNITY TO RELOCATE.

WHAT I JUST HEARD WAS THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SO PUT ME BACK ON A SEVEN BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD IS THAT DOESN'T LIMIT US FROM RELOCATING THAT FIRE STATION. JUST LIKE ON THE 48 MILLION FOR THE LIBRARY, WE COULD EITHER EXPAND IT IN PLACE FOR 48 MILLION OR YOU COULD RELOCATE IT.

BASED UPON WHAT I JUST HEARD, THAT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A SEPARATE ACTION TO LIMIT IT.

EITHER PUT IT ON THE BALLOT PROPOSITION AS A LIMITATION OR TAKE A SEPARATE ACTION.

SO EITHER ONE OF THOSE HAS FLEXIBILITY TO EITHER RELOCATE IT OR TO EXPAND IT ON SITE.

AND IF THE FIRE STATION WANTS TO BE RELOCATED, THEN WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, MAYBE WE CAN FIND SOME LAND THAT WILL FIT WITHIN THAT BUDGET.

SO. ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

YEAH. SORRY. COUNCILMAN. MCGEE.

THEY SUFFER. I THINK I'M GOOD.

BASED OFF OF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS SAID.

I THINK. I THINK I'M GOOD.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE AGAINST SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY? AND THIS INCLUDES THE MOVE, RIGHT.

JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE THAT'S OUR PLANNING.

YES. RIGHT. STAFF RECOMMENDS AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE LAND TO BUILD THE LIBRARY ON, IF YOU LEAVE THE LIBRARY WHERE IT IS AND TRY TO PUT THE FIRE STATION THERE, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT. OKAY.

SO I JUST WANT TO COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON YEAH, I NOTICED THAT AT SOME POINTS YOU WERE INCLUDING A NOTE.

SO MY NOTE IS THAT IT'S CONDITIONED ON, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO PUT IT, SINCERE EFFORT TO TRY TO REUSE THE BUILDING TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.

THE EXISTING SETTLEMENT BRANCH LIBRARY BUILDING.

OKAY. THE ANIMAL SHELTER, 15 MILLION.

ANYONE AGAINST? OKAY. OH, YOU'RE AGAINST.

I'M AGAINST. OKAY.

MOUNT. OKAY.

DO YOU WANT TO PUT FORWARD SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE TO CONSIDER? WELL, I WANT TO PULL.

PULL AT LEAST FIVE OFF OF THAT.

I JUST I'M JUST LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS HERE.

WE'RE GIVING MORE TO, YOU KNOW, RESPECTFULLY SPEAKING, I AM A PALMER.

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OKAY? SO I LOVE THE ANIMALS AS MUCH AS ANYONE ELSE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GIVING MORE THAT WAY THAN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GIVE SOME MORE ATTENTION TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOARD AND JUST PULL BACK ON SOME OF THE THE ADOPTION CARE EXPANSION. SO I DON'T KNOW, I'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME DARTS THROWN AT ME FOR THAT ONE BECAUSE I KNOW HOW MUCH PEOPLE LOVE THEIR ANIMALS, BUT IT'S JUST A BIT MUCH FOR ME. SO I'M GOING TO SAY NO TO THAT ONE UNLESS THERE'S SOME OTHER KIND OF CAVEAT THERE.

LET ME JUST SHARE WITH Y'ALL REAL QUICK.

YOU KNOW, BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.

IT'S THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENS WITH ANIMALS.

WE ARE EXPERIENCING VERY HIGH VOLUMES OF ANIMALS THAT ARE EITHER STRAYS THAT WE PICK UP OR THAT ARE DROPPED OFF.

UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS NOT A PET CENTER WHERE YOU CAN BUY AN ANIMAL.

THIS IS LITERALLY WHERE PEOPLE DROP THEIR ANIMALS OFF THIS FACILITY.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, TO BE REAL FRANK WITH YOU, IS NOT ADEQUATE TO BEGIN WITH.

I'M JUST GOING TO BE HONEST. WHEN WE BUILT IT, WE PUT IN RESIDENTIAL AIR CONDITIONING, NOT COMMERCIAL.

SO NOT ONLY DO WE NEED TO FIX A LITTLE BIT OF THINGS WE HAVE, BUT THE EXPANSION IS NECESSARY WHEN YOU HAVE ANIMALS SITTING OUT IN THE HEAT, IN CAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT'S A LITTLE HIGH BECAUSE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A PRIORITY FOR, I'M SURE, THIS COUNCIL.

BUT I WILL SAY WE HAVE SOME ROOM, WE HAVE SOME THINGS WE NEED TO ADDRESS AT THE ANIMAL SERVICES FACILITY.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE AGAINST? SINNED AGAINST. OKAY.

TAKES US TO EL MINGO ROADWAY QUIET ZONES AS PROPOSED BY STAFF.

SO ALL IN IS WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.

SO YOU'RE GOOD.

ANYONE. SO THEY JUST CLARIFY WHAT WE'RE ASKING.

THE ENTIRE PROJECT IS PRESENTED ORIGINALLY BY STAFF.

THE BOND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED A 35 MILLION TAKEN AWAY FOR IMPROVEMENTS.

YEAH. SO WE'RE PUTTING BACK IN WHAT WAS TAKEN OUT, RIGHT? YES. CONSIDERING THAT I'M NOT SUPPORTING THAT, I'M SUPPORTING THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BOND COMMITTEE.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE SUPPORTING BOND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION? THAT'S EASY. OKAY.

SO WHAT WAS TAKEN OUT IN THE BOND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION FROM 380 TO MINGO? YES, THE RUDEL IMPROVEMENTS, AND THAT'S ABOUT, WHAT, 10 MILLION BUCKS? I THINK I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY, YEAH, YES.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT WASN'T PRICED AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

THAT'S STAFF THING. THEY DON'T THAT WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT NUMBER IS SUFFICIENT.

THAT'S JUST A NUMBER THAT THEY LANDED ON.

SO. QUESTION THEN LET'S SAY IF IT'S PRESENTED AS THE BOND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THAT SEGMENT, THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE US FROM THEN.

WIDENING THAT IF WE NEED TO IN THE FUTURE.

DOES IT MEAN BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON IT'S NOT ON THERE? NO. OKAY.

YEAH, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT.

I MEAN, I WENT WITH THE BOND RECOMMENDATION ON THE LIBRARY, SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GO WITH THE BOND RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ONE.

OKAY. SO THAT RINGO, RINGO, RINGO, RINGO RUDEL.

RINGO FAILS.

RIGHT. ANYONE FLIPPING, NO FLIPPERS.

ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S GO TO COMMITTEE.

RECOMMENDED. YEAH, RIGHT.

BUT I GUESS RATHER THAN.

NO, DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WASN'T THAT WASN'T BEFORE.

SO THE THREE THAT WERE FOR WERE FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, NOT THREE FOR THE BOND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING.

SO SO WHAT WILL APPEAR ON THE BALLOT IS NOT IS WHAT THE BOND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED RATHER THAN WHAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED, CORRECT? NO, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND ASK THAT QUESTION AND WE NEED TO CHANGE THE AMOUNT THEN.

RIGHT. SO IF THERE'S NO JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO SUPPORT FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION, RUDEL AND RINGO, UNLESS SOMEONE CHANGES THEIR MIND.

SO LET'S LET'S START THERE.

THERE WERE THREE OF US THAT ARE FOR IT WHO SUPPORTED WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE BOND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED.

CORRECT. AND THEN THERE'S FOUR THAT DID NOT SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

SO I'M ASKING THE FOUR IF THEY'RE GOOD WITH THEIR DECISION.

COUNCILMAN MAYOR PRO TEM.

SO ARE WE BRINGING BACK THE CONCEPT OF THE 35 MILLION, THE MINUS RUDEL AS ITEM 17 OR WHATEVER IT WOULD BE? YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO YEAH, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION POINT.

YES. THE DEFAULT SHOULD BE WHAT THE BOND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED, CORRECT? WELL, IT'S NOT. IT'S THE NEXT THING WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER.

BUT I'LL JUST TELL YOU NOW, I'M NOT GOING TO.

THAT'S HOW WE GOT IN THIS PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

RIGHT? THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP LOSING $40 MILLION ON THE PREVIOUS BOND.

YES. BY WINGING IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WE DID NOT STUDY THAT.

I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FLIPPING A COIN AND HOPING THE MONEY GOES BECAUSE ESPECIALLY THIS ONE, BECAUSE IT'S THE QUIET ZONES

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AGAIN, RIGHT? RIGHT. LIKE THE LAST TIME WE DID THAT, IT DIDN'T WORK OUT OFF THE BAT.

AND SO YOU BRING IT BACK AND WING IT AGAIN.

HARD PASS. SO I NEED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

SO THIS IS WHAT STAFF'S BRINGING US, WHICH IS SOME IS WHAT THE BOND COMMITTEE PROPOSED AND SOME IS NOT.

SO IF LET'S SAY I VOTED AGAINST THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, I'M NOT VOTING AGAINST THE BOND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION.

CORRECT. SO THEN WHAT'S GOING TO APPEAR THERE? WE GOT TO THEN GO BACK AND SAY HOW MANY ARE FOR THE BOND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION.

IF IT FAILS, IF IT PASSES, IF STAFF RECOMMENDATION HAS MAJORITY SUPPORT, THEN THERE'S NO NEED TO GO REVISIT IT.

RIGHT. BUT AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW, IT DOES NOT.

CORRECT. AND SO THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO REVISIT IT.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

OKAY. I MEAN, THEN JUST PORTED PROCEDURE THEN THEN THIS.

WE'RE ONLY WE'RE WE'RE MUDDYING THE WATERS AND I APPRECIATE COUNCILOR WATT'S CLARIFYING THAT.

I MEAN, I THOUGHT WE WERE CLEAR ON WHAT WE WERE VOTING FOR, BUT IF WE WANT TO DO IT PROCEDURALLY LIKE THAT, THAT WE'RE WE'RE VOTING FOR, FOR OR AGAINST STAFF RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN WE'RE BRINGING BACK BOND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS WHERE THEY DIFFER AS SEPARATE ITEMS, THEN THEN I'M OKAY WITH DOING THAT, TOO, AS LONG AS WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR.

I THOUGHT WE WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

IT WAS CLEAR IN THE DISCUSSION WHAT WE WERE VOTING ON.

BUT IF IT'S NOT, THEN THEN WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL HERE.

YES. NO. SO IF.

YEAH. SO WE WILL HAVE WE'LL COME BACK TO IT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ANSWER'S THE ANSWER AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO IT.

SO OF THE FOUR THAT WERE AGAINST WHAT STAFF PROPOSED, THE FOUR ARE STILL AGAINST STAFF PROPOSAL.

UNLESS SOMEBODY SAYS SOMETHING, SOMEBODY NO ONE SAID ANYTHING.

OKAY. SO WE'RE AT WHERE IS THAT INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND? SO ANYONE AGAINST THAT INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND? NO. SO SEVEN AND THEN CITY HALL WEST.

ANYONE AGAINST THAT? COUNT ME AGAINST.

I CAN'T. AND SIMPLY SO THAT I HAVE A RECORD.

I CAN'T SEE THAT.

$17 MILLION FOR 5000FT² OF OFFICE SPACE, WHATEVER THAT MATH COMES OUT TO BE.

IT'S STUNNING.

AND IT'S AND I'M NOT GOING TO IT'S JUST, FOR ME, A CONSISTENT MESSAGE.

WE ARE 107% CAPACITY IN THIS BUILDING RIGHT NOW.

AND WE'RE SAYING WE'LL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT LATER.

AND WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT NEEDS TO BE REDONE BUT HAS NO EFFECT ON CURRENT STAFF AND WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE THEM $17 MILLION.

I CAN'T DO IT. SO THAT'S JUST WHERE I STAND JUST SO I HAVE A CLEAR RECORD.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE. I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.

YOU KNOW, RIGHT AFTER RIGHT AFTER I GOT ELECTED, A CITY EMPLOYEE TOLD ME THAT STAFF IS THE MOST, THE LARGEST AND MOST IMPORTANT CONSTITUENTS THAT WE HAVE.

I THINK IT'S I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK IT SENDS A TERRIBLE MESSAGE.

TO DO THAT AND NOT ADDRESS THIS, I'LL BE TO COUNCIL MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MISTER MAYOR. SO.

SO IS IT YOUR.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO GRILL YOU.

IS IT YOUR INTENTION TO BRING BACK AN ALTERNATIVE CITY WEST OR JUST KILL THIS OUTRIGHT? KILL IT OUTRIGHT FOR ME, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT FOR THOSE REASONS.

I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR IT. NO, NO, NO.

I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT.

WHAT WE'RE WE'RE CONSIDERING.

I'M NOT FOR KILLING IT OUTRIGHT, SO THANK YOU.

OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER HOLLOW, WHAT DO I GET FOR $17 MILLION CASH, 5000FT² OF OFFICE SPACE AND AN EVENTS CENTER SPACE.

IT'S. IT'S 24,000.

APPROXIMATELY 25,000FT².

WE'RE GOING TO RENOVATE THE HISTORIC BUILDING, RESTORE THE THEATER CHAMBER, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, WITH THE BALCONY, ADD INDOOR RENTABLE EVENT SPACE AND THEN OUTDOOR RENTABLE COURTYARD SPACE, WHICH WAS DONE THROUGH A CITIZEN COMMITTEE WHO RECOMMENDED THIS.

AND THEY HAD THE ARTS COMPONENT.

AND THEN WE BROUGHT IT BACK TO COUNCIL AGAIN, LIKE COUNCILMEMBER WATSON IS WAITING TO SAY IT.

WE COULD DEFINITELY SHIFT DIRECTION IF NEEDED, BUT THE PROPOSAL WAS 5000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE, MUNICIPAL SPACE, THE COURTYARD, THE THEATER AND THE OUTDOOR SPACE.

CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME EXAMPLES OF THOSE THAT MIGHT USE THAT OFFICE SPACE? IT WOULD BE PARKS AND RECREATION WE WOULD HAVE THERE.

AND THIS WAS THE BOND RECOMMENDATION, CORRECT? CORRECT. THEY RECOMMENDED WHAT STAFF PROPOSED.

OKAY. I'D BE FOR THAT.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? SO IT'S FIVE TO REPRESENT IT THERE THAT CAPTURES EVERYONE'S SENTIMENT.

PERFECT TAKES US TO TRAIL DEVELOPMENT.

15 MILLION ANYONE AGAINST THAT SEEING NONE SEVEN ZERO AQUATICS, 15,000,001

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CENT $1 BECAUSE THEY HAD ONE, BUT BECAUSE THEY HAD TO BRING IT BACK.

SO THEY HAD TO CHANGE THE NUMBER.

FOR THOSE THAT ARE WONDERING.

ANYONE. COUNCILMAN.

MCGEE. JUST FOR CONTINUITY'S SAKE.

SHOULD WE GO BACK TO 15? I MEAN, I APPRECIATE I APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE NEEDED TO CHANGE IT IN ORDER TO BRING IT BACK.

BUT DO YOU ALL THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO JUST GO BACK TO 15 NICE ROUND NUMBERS? SURE. YEAH. JUST YEAH, FOR VOTING NO.

OKAY. SO THEN DO I NEED TO PROPOSE THE CHANGE OR WE.

NO, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. JUST MAKE IT 15 MILLION EVEN.

OKAY? YEAH. THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. NO, THIS IS JUST A PROCEDURAL THING.

I MEAN, I GOT NO PROBLEM WITH YOU KILLING THE EXTRA DOLLAR.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

BUT. BUT THE.

I MEAN, I KNOW THIS IS JUST DISCUSSION.

WE CAN VOTE. I'M SORRY.

I KEEP SIDE EYEING THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT IS THERE A PROCESS? WE NEED TO CHANGE THE NUMBER OR.

NO, WE'RE JUST ALL PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

WE'RE GOOD. OKAY, COOL.

THAT'S GOOD. THEN I'M FINE WITH THEM.

OKAY. SO ANYONE AGAINST AQUATICS, SAVE THE TAXPAYERS A DOLLAR.

GOT IT. OKAY, THAT'S GOOD.

OKAY, IF YOU CAN ADD A LINE FOR THE DEL MINGO, DO YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THE PUBLIC ART? OH, YES, PUBLIC ART.

THIS WAS STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE LIBRARY.

WITH THE ADDITIONAL COST FOR THE LIBRARY.

THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED $2.1 MILLION FOR PUBLIC ART.

OKAY, SO I'LL TAKE SO IT'S 2% OF ALL THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IS WHAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED BECAUSE IT CHANGED VALUE.

SO. SO I THINK I'M GOOD WITH THIS.

WHAT'S THE NUMBER? THIS. THIS IS 3 MILLION OR 2 MILLION ROUND NUMBERS.

I'M OKAY. WITH WHAT THE.

I'M OKAY WITH WHAT THE COMMITTEE SAID IN 2% OF VERTICAL RATHER THAN.

WHICH IS 3 MILLION, ISN'T IT? IT'S TWO ONE.

IT'S 2.19934.

SO IT'S BUT ISN'T 2% BASED ON THE HIGHER NUMBER OF THOSE PROJECTS.

SO THE NUMBER IS 3 MILLION, NOT TWO.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU WHEN WE GOT THE BETTER NUMBERS, THIS IS BASED ON THE LIBRARY GOING BACK TO THE 48.5 MILLION AND THEN ALL OF THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.

SO 2% OF.

THE HIGHLIGHTED PROJECTS.

SO THE NUMBERS IS VIRTUALLY THE SAME.

SO YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY, YEAH, IT'S GOING TO DROP A LITTLE BIT IF IF THERE'S FRIEDEL GOES OUT.

YEAH. YEAH. SO OKAY.

IT DOES NOT INCLUDE. RUDEL YEAH, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE IT'S NOT A VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

YEAH. OKAY. SO.

SO GO RIGHT AHEAD.

COUNCILMAN WHAT'S. YEAH, I'D BE AGAINST ONLY BECAUSE IF I'M NOT FOR THE LIBRARY, THEN THAT AMOUNT, I'M OKAY WITH THE 2% OF WHAT I'M.

BUT SO, YEAH, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I JUSTIFY THAT.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE AGAINST THE PUBLIC ART COMPONENT TO 2%? ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. SIX OKAY, THEN ADD IN A LINE THERE FOR ME, PLEASE, AND THANK YOU.

FOR. SO THIS WOULD BE.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, RINGO.

RINGO. QUIET ZONES.

I LIKE IT. RIGHT.

AND THEN I'M A I'M A KNOW WHENEVER YOU GET THERE BECAUSE WE ALREADY PROMISED THEM THE QUIET ZONES AND UNDERPRODUCED.

AND SO JUST A RANDOM NUMBER THAT WAS NOT VETTED.

AGAIN, THE FIRST ONE WAS VETTED WRONG, BUT THIS ONE NOT VETTED.

I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, MAYOR PRO TEM, COUNCILMEMBER MELTZER.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE DISCUSSION OF THE BOND COMMITTEE THAT I SAW THAT I FOUND PERSUASIVE WAS THEY THEY WERE THEY DID PARSE THIS WITH TREVOR AND THE REST OF STAFF. THEY WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH ADMITTEDLY CRUDE BECAUSE IT'S IT'S VISIONARY BUDGETING.

BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO PARSE THE DIFFERENT RUDEL CONSTRUCTION NUMBERS.

AND TREVOR AND I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW YOU UNDER THE BUS, TREVOR I'M JUST SAYING HAVE TO SAY COME ON UP HERE BECAUSE HE PARSED DIDN'T AGE WELL SO COME ON UP HE PASSED IT AT 10 MILLION AND IF I JUST THREW YOU UNDER THE BUS.

TREVOR, I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE.

AND THEN THAT LEFT THE REMAINING NUMBER THAT CASSIE HAD ON THERE.

AND THE DISCUSSION AS WAS LED WAS THE SEEMED TO BE PRIMARILY INTERESTED AROUND THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMPONENTS UP AND DOWN.

MINGO MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

SO I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION AND I FORGET THE PERCENTAGE FROM THE LAST WEEK'S TABLE AND THE BOND COMMITTEE TABLE, BUT THIS ONE WAS FAIRLY CONSISTENT.

SO I KNOW WE JUST SOLVED THE BELL, BUT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS ONE.

OKAY. FOR THE REASONS I SAID EARLIER.

SO, TREVOR, I JUST WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A RECORD THAT THEY WHAT I HEARD WAS YOU YOU AUTHORIZED 35 MILLION IS WHAT I

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HEARD. AND SO IF YOU WANT A DISTANCE FROM THAT OR IF YOU WANT TO EMBRACE THAT, THAT'S I JUST WANT YOU TO BE HEARD SO THAT YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT. YES, SIR.

SO I'LL MAKE THE SAME STATEMENT TODAY THAT I MADE AT THE BOND COMMITTEE WAS THAT ONCE YOU START SPLITTING THESE PROJECTS APART, YOU START DRIVING THE COSTS UP.

YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SAME THING WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH THE QUIET ZONES.

IF WE TAKE OUT THE EXTENSION PIECE, THEN THE QUIET ZONES NUMBER GOES UP BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE MORE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXISTING QUIET ZONE.

SO YOU GET YOU GET ECONOMIES OF SCALE WHEN YOU START DOING THESE PROJECTS.

I MADE THE POINT IN THE PROJECT OR IN THE PRESENTATION, THE PORTION OF RUDEL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT A VERY LONG PIECE, BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING MINGO, WHICH IS THE SAME TYPE OF WORK AS RUDEL.

SO YOU'RE GETTING ECONOMIES OF SCALE.

YOU HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE WORKING.

WE'RE IT WOULD BE YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THE POINT IS SHOULD BE MADE THAT WE WOULD NOT BE INCREASING THAT CONNECTIVITY PIECE FROM 380 TO MINGO.

SO WE WOULD HAVE A FULL CONNECT.

WE WOULD IF WE JUST MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT THE RUDEL PIECE, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEDESTRIAN AND BIKING UPGRADES ALONG MINGO TO DOWNTOWN TO DCTA WITH NO CONNECTION PIECE ALONG ROUTE OUT TO GET YOU TO THOSE THOSE NEW IMPROVEMENTS SO YOU CAN WALK OUT THERE RIGHT NOW AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE CALL GOAT PATHS, YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE ARE WALKING UP AND DOWN THE SIDE OF THE STREET.

SO THAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND PUTTING ALL OF THESE PROJECTS TOGETHER.

WE REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON MEETING THOSE MOBILITY PLANS, MEETING THOSE PARKS AND TRAILS, MASTER PLANS.

AND THIS WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF PUT ALL THOSE TOGETHER, USE OUR ECONOMIES OF SCALE AND AND CREATE THAT PROJECT.

SO AND, AND I WILL MENTION TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, I WAS ASKED HOW MUCH IT WOULD BE TO PULL THAT PROJECT OUT OF THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF A MEETING.

AND SO THAT WAS JUST THE NUMBER WE CAME UP WITH.

SO WE HAVE HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VET THOSE NUMBERS.

WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT AFFECTS.

I WOULD SAY I WOULD YEAH, I WOULD SAY I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE OTHER THE REST OF THE PROJECT EITHER.

SO THAT WAS JUST THE NUMBER KIND OF RANDOMLY PULLED OUT.

I TRUST I TRUST MY CONSTRUCTION KNOWLEDGE, BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT NUMBER BEFORE COMMITTING TO IT.

OKAY, VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILMEMBER WATSON, COUNCILMAN BYRD, THEN COUNCILMAN MELTZER, I APPRECIATE THAT EXPLANATION.

AND I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO CHANGE MY VOTE TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON RUDEL SIMPLY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WHEN I WAS IN THE MEETING, IT SEEMED LIKE A LOT OF THE REASON FOR RUDEL BEING EXCLUDED WAS BECAUSE OF THE BELL AVENUE POLITICIZATION OF BELL AVENUE.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE GOT THIS RESOLVED AND GOOD HEAVENS, I WANT EFFICIENT, COST EFFECTIVE CONSTRUCTION.

AND SO I WILL I WILL GO TO THE OTHER COLUMN, MR. MAYOR, APOLOGIZE FOR THE TIME DRAIN.

BUT AS YOU QUOTED, YOU TOLD ME A QUOTE ONE TIME ON ONE SET OF FACTS AWAY FROM CHANGING MY MIND.

YES, SIR. THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN BURT.

OH, I'M SORRY I GOT SO WRAPPED UP IN CHRIS'S EXPLANATION.

YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO JUST ENCOURAGE US TO.

JUST ADD RUDEL BACK ON THERE.

THAT'S A WHOLE TOTAL PACKAGE.

AND I'M ALSO LOOKING AT THE SERVICE CENTER, HOW THE ROAD IS JUST IT'S UNBELIEVABLE HOW DANGEROUS THAT ROAD IS HEADING UP TO THAT SERVICE CENTER THAT WE DO.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIX THAT.

IT'S JUST TOO BIG DRAINAGE DITCHES OVER IN THAT AREA.

AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO JUST TAKE CARE OF THAT RAIL ROADWAY ALONG WITH EVERYTHING.

SO OF COURSE, I'M GOING TO SAY YES TO THAT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HELP WITH THE QUIET ZONES AND THE SAFETY FACTOR THAT WE TRULY NEED TO HAVE OVER IN THAT AREA. AND WE'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL APARTMENT COMPLEXES ON THAT ROADWAY.

SO WE'RE PUTTING MORE CARS ON THAT ROADWAY.

ANYWAY, THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MELTZER.

WELL, IF I'M TRACKING RIGHT YOU NUMBER TEN NOW PASSES, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY, GREAT. SO THAT WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IS REFLECTED THERE.

THERE'S ANY LAST MINUTE CHANGES.

LET'S NOTE THOSE. OTHERWISE WE'VE GOT TO MOVE ON.

I'M JUST. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COST.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING COST.

IT COSTS 45 TOTAL.

WHAT WHAT WHAT THE ADDITION OF RUDEL COSTS.

YEAH. SO STAFF DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CRUNCH THOSE NUMBERS AND THAT'S NOT THEIR RECOMMENDATION.

SO THEY JUST DIDN'T GO.

I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE BUT.

BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT COSTS.

YEAH. MAYBE WE CAN CIRCLE BACK.

YEAH, WE'LL TRY TO PUT TOGETHER THAT COST ESTIMATE.

OKAY, SO.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE.

WE'RE AT $309,590,631.

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ANY ANY CHANGES.

GOING ONCE. GOING TWICE.

OKAY. SOLD.

SOLD, SOLD. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE ALL THE DISCUSSION.

AND SO THAT TAKES US BECAUSE WE DID SO MUCH ON THE SPREADSHEET TO CIRCULATE IT.

YEAH, SURE. SO THAT TAKES US TO OUR LAST WORK SESSION.

THING IS, I'M ASSUMING DINNER'S HERE AT SOME POINT.

DINNER IS HERE AND IT'S BEEN SITTING HERE FOR ABOUT 30 MINUTES.

YEAH, IT'LL BE ALL RIGHT.

SO TWO MINUTES.

LET'S. SO LET'S.

LET'S TAKE UP ITEM C, AND THEN WE'LL WHILE WE'RE SETTING THE ROOM, WE'LL GRAB SOMETHING REALLY QUICK AND COME BACK FOR CLOSED SESSION.

ITEM C IS ID 23220.

RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION.

GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON PENDING CITY COUNCIL REQUEST.

ALL RIGHT. I'LL TRY TO MAKE IT SPEEDY MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

JENNIFER RANEY, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

WE HAVE ONE WORK SESSION REQUEST TODAY.

WE TYPICALLY CAN RECEIVE UP TO SEVEN REQUESTS.

THE REQUEST AND COUNCIL MEMBER WILL HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES TO DESCRIBE AND JUSTIFY THEIR REQUEST.

AND THEN WE WILL SEEK CONSENSUS.

A CONSENSUS OF SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS IS REQUIRED FOR RESOLUTIONS OR ORDINANCES.

THAT WAS NEW AND RECENT.

AND THEN YOU ALSO GET THE ABILITY TO PRIORITIZE THAT WITH A HIGH, MODERATE OR LOW PRIORITY.

WE HAVE ONE ITEM.

COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND, IF YOU CAN, YOU'VE GOT THE MIC.

THANK YOU. I READ IN THE DENTON, RECORD-CHRONICLE IN JULY THAT THERE WERE OVER 500 CRASHES INVOLVING WRONG-WAY TRAFFIC IN DENTON BETWEEN JANUARY, JANUARY 3RD AND JULY 11TH.

THERE WAS AN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY JUAN BETANCOURT.

MY MY SUGGESTION, AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THOSE CRASHES INVOLVE PEOPLE THAT SAID, I THINK I'M GOING TO GO THE WRONG WAY ON A ONE WAY STREET.

I THINK EVERY ONE OF THOSE WAS AN ACCIDENT.

THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THEY WERE ON A ONE WAY STREET UNTIL THEY CRASHED INTO WHATEVER THEY CRASHED INTO.

SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE PUT A SIGN ON THE BACK OF EXISTING SIGNS THAT SIMPLY SAYS WRONG WAY.

IT'S A RED SIGN, WHITE LETTERS, WRONG WAY.

AND AS YOU'RE DRIVING THE WRONG WAY ON OAK STREET, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU SEE THAT SIGN AND YOU SAY, HOLY COW, HAROLD, WE'RE ON THE WE'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY.

LET'S PULL OVER, TURN AROUND AND GET, GET, GET STRAIGHT.

THE ONLY COST TO THIS IS GOING TO BE OBVIOUSLY THE SIGN ITSELF, THE LABOR TO INSTALL IT.

THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME HARDWARE, BUT THE THE HEAVY LIFTING HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.

THE POLE IS ALREADY THERE.

I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A LOW PRIORITY, EXCEPT THAT WE'RE JUST ABOUT TO GET ABOUT 50,000 NEW PEOPLE IN OUR TOWN.

I THINK IT'S AN INEXPENSIVE WAY TO SAVE, TO PREVENT A LOT OF OF TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS.

AND I THINK IT'S AN EASY PROJECT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCILMAN METZLER.

I THINK IT'S A IT'S A I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED IN IN A WORK SESSION OR, OR WHATEVER PIECE OF INFORMATION IS.

SO HE REQUESTED A WORK SESSION.

THAT'S FINE. IT KICKS IT DOWN THE CAN.

I MIGHT RECOMMEND WE GET AN INFORMAL STAFF REPORT JUST TO MAKE IT EARLIER IF EVERYONE IS AMENABLE TO THAT, BECAUSE THIS SEEMS LIKE A SMALL PIECE OF INFORMATION.

BUT I'M I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE EFFORT.

I JUST WORRY THIS IS FURTHER DOWN THE PIKE THAT THEN COUNCILOR HOLLAND INTENDS IT FOR IT TO BE.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN MELTZER.

YEAH. AS I RECALL FROM MOBILITY COMMITTEE, CITY COUNCIL GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY RECOMMENDS CITIES DO EXACTLY THAT.

I HOPE BY AROUND THE SQUARE YOU MEAN THE STREETS THAT INTERSECT THE SQUARE, BUT NOT JUST AROUND THE SQUARE.

I BEG YOUR PARDON? I DID NOT SAY AROUND THE SQUARE.

THAT WAS NEVER MY RECOMMENDATION.

MY RECOMMENDATION WAS ON EVERY ONE WAY STREET IN THE CITY.

I REALIZE ELM AND LOCUST ARE STRAIGHT STATE HIGHWAYS, SO THEY MIGHT HAVE TO BE SOME ACCOMMODATION THERE.

BUT YEAH, BECAUSE I SEE SCARY STUFF ON EVERY, EVERY EVERY ONE.

SO I UNDERSTAND YOU ASKED FOR AN ESR THOUGH, DIDN'T YOU? INDIVIDUAL STAFF REPORT WHICH IS FASTER THAN BRINGING IT BACK.

DID YOU WANT A STAFF REPORT OR DID YOU WANT A22? DID YOU WANT A WORK SESSION? I DON'T RECALL. ALL THIS IS EATEN INTO YOUR TIME, PAUL.

BY THE WAY, IT WAS ORIGINALLY CLARIFIED WITH A WORK SESSION.

GAVE ME MY TIME. MAYOR PRO TEM BECK OFFERED THE ESR.

I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU SAID IT'D BE FASTER TO DO.

WE CAN DO IT. YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT? WE CAN DO AN ESR BECAUSE WE CAN SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THIS WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH FROM A STANDARD FROM A STATE, HIGHWAYS AND OTHER THINGS, ROADWAYS AND STUFF.

BUT WE CAN DO IT. IT'S JUST WE WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU HOW WE WOULD HAVE.

THAT'S YOUR TIME, PAUL. WHO ELSE? IT OFTEN FEELS THIS WAY.

OKAY. WAIT A MINUTE, SHERIFF.

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LET ME USE CITY MANAGER'S TIME.

THAT. YEAH, ESR MAKES SENSE.

WE'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE THE CRASHES ARE AND GET COST AND UNDERSTAND WHETHER THERE ARE ANY NEGATIVES THAT AREN'T OBVIOUS TO US.

BUT I THINK IT'S.

I'M SUPPORTIVE. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILOR WATSON? YEAH, I'M SUPPORTIVE.

I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT HAROLD WAS DISPARAGED AS SOMEBODY WHO DRIVES BAD.

SO, YOU KNOW.

BUT YEAH, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF ESR.

ESR YEAH, I SAW.

YEAH, THAT'S MY GUY.

HAROLD. HAROLD. YEAH. HE'S.

HE'S AWESOME.

OKAY. THAT'S FOUR, RIGHT? YES.

YEAH, WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, SO LET ME SAY THIS AND THEN WE'LL GO GRAB FOOD AND COME IN FOR CLOSED SESSION.

[1. Closed Meeting:]

THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW, AT 5:23 P.M.

CONVENE AND CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE THE CLOSED MEETING ITEMS SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING A ID 23926 DELIBERATIONS REGARDING PERSONNEL MATTERS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.

SECTION 551.074.

ITEM B ID 23962.

DELIBERATIONS REGARDING PERSONNEL MATTERS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.074 AND THE THIRD ITEM ID 231480 CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 WILL TAKE LIKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK TO GRAB FOOD AND GET STARTED.

SO EASY MATH.

530. BE BACK IN YOUR SEAT, PLEASE.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

IT IS 633 AND WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

THE FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE PLEDGE TO THE UNITED STATES AND TEXAS FLAG.

PLEASE STAND WITH ME IF YOU'RE ABLE.

PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PROCLAMATIONS.

[2. PROCLAMATIONS/PRESENTATIONS]

IF YOU COULD MEET ME DOWN HERE AT THE AT THE PODIUM, IF YOU ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUMMER YOUTH JOBS PROGRAM.

THANK YOU. HEY, GUYS.

SAY.

OKAY. HOW YOU. GRAB THIS.

OKAY. SO WE'LL SPIN AROUND THAT WAY.

AND THEN SO I'M GOING TO.

IT'S EXCITING. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

AND THEN SO I'M GOING TO WE'LL START DOWN HERE.

I'LL HAND THE MIC TO YOU. YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME KIND OF WHERE YOU WORKED AND ANY THING YOU WANT TO SHARE AFTER THAT.

AND THEN SO WE'LL START WITH YOU.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. NAME AND THEN WHAT DEPARTMENT YOU WORKED IN AND JUST ANY, ANY, ANY STORIES OR WHATEVER JUMPS JUMPS OUT.

YEAH, WHATEVER. OKAY.

ALL GOOD THINGS. OKAY.

HI, MY NAME IS CAITLIN SHANDS.

I WORK FOR ANIMAL SERVICES.

I HAD SUCH AN AMAZING TIME.

I GOT TO LEARN HOW TO COMMUNICATE.

IT WAS MY FIRST JOB AND I CREATED SUCH WONDERFUL RELATIONSHIPS, AND I GOT TO FOSTER.

AND I NEVER REALLY LIKED CATS BEFORE.

I THOUGHT THEY WERE MEAN AND SCARY, BUT I HAVE THREE AT HOME NOW, SO WE'RE DOING GOOD.

HI, MY NAME IS ABIGAIL AND I WAS IN THE ANIMAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND IT WAS REALLY FUN AND I REALLY ENJOYED MY TIME THERE.

MY NAME IS LUCAS COLE.

I WORKED WITH WATER PRODUCTION UP IN THE RAY WATER.

RAY ROBERTS WATER PRODUCTION FACILITY.

I JUST FOLLOW PEOPLE AROUND AND SAW WHAT THEY DID AND HELPED OUT WHERE NEEDED.

MY NAME IS ISAIAH HARRIS.

I INTERN AT THE EMILY FOWLER LIBRARY AND IT IS MY SECOND YEAR DOING IT, SO I KIND OF KNEW HOW THINGS WENT, BUT IT'S ALWAYS NICE GETTING TO INTERACT WITH JUST THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AROUND THERE.

IT'S IT'S GOOD FOR ME.

HI, MY NAME IS SAM HUNT.

I WORK IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND I ENJOYED IT BECAUSE I HAVE A NEW APPRECIATION FOR THE CITY AND THE WAY IT WORKS.

HI, I'M QUIN BRISCOE.

I WORKED AT THE SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY, AND THIS WAS MY FIRST WORK EXPERIENCE, AND I'M GLAD I DO HAVE SOME

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EXPERIENCE NOW, SO IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING I DO AGAIN SOMEDAY.

MY NAME IS JOSH GARZA.

I WORKED IN THE COMMUNITY SERVICE DEVELOPMENT CENTER.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I AM VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY I WAS GIVEN.

IT WAS A VERY NICE EXPERIENCE.

HI, MY NAME IS GRAY COLLIER.

I WORKED IN THIS BUILDING, ACTUALLY IN THE BUDGET DEPARTMENT, AND I LEARNED SO MUCH.

I HAD A REALLY FANTASTIC TIME AND I LEARNED ALL ABOUT HOW THE CITY OPERATES.

IT WAS REALLY AMAZING.

HELLO, MY NAME IS JOSHUA MCGEE AND I WAS IN THE PARKS AND REC AND I REALLY HAD A FUN TIME WITH THE KIDS AND GOING ON FIELD TRIPS.

HI, MY NAME IS ANNA ISKRA AND I HAD A GREAT TIME WORKING FOR THE CAPITAL PROJECTS DEPARTMENT.

HI, MY NAME IS ANNA THOMPSON AND I WAS A SPECIAL EVENTS INTERN AT THE CIVIC CENTER, AND I REALLY ENJOYED SEEING THE WORK THAT WAS PUT INTO MAKING SPECIAL EVENTS LIKE JULY JUBILEE.

MY NAME IS MADELINE JOHNSON.

I WORKED AT PARKS AND REC AT DNA WITH KAREN ZIEMAN, AND I LOVE GETTING TO KNOW EVERYBODY AND GETTING TO WORK WITH ALL THE KIDS THERE.

STAFF HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR ANYONE YOU WANT TO? MY NAME IS KENDRA WILLIAMS. I'M THE RECRUITER FOR THE CITY.

AND THE INTERNS DID A WONDERFUL JOB.

IT WAS AN EIGHT WEEK PROGRAM.

WE HAD 17 INTERNS THIS SUMMER AND ALL 17 COMPLETED THE PROGRAM, WHICH WAS VERY EXCITING.

AND THEY ALSO GAVE PRESENTATIONS ON WHAT THEY LEARNED ABOUT WORKING AT THE CITY AND THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A HAND.

YEAH. AND OUTSTANDING.

THANK YOU. AND SO IF YOU IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THE CITY OF DENTON IS ROUND NUMBERS, PROBABLY ABOUT ONE POINT.

WE'LL SEE HOW IT COMES IN.

BUT 1.7 OR SO BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET THAT WE SPEND EACH YEAR AND THIS THIS COMING YEAR.

SO LOTS GOING ON FULL SERVICE CITY.

SO PLEASE YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME BACK.

YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW THE QUALIFICATIONS THEY DON'T TELL ME THEY DON'T LET ME HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

BUT IF YOU QUALIFY, PLEASE COME BACK.

WE JUST REALLY ENJOY Y'ALL'S PARTICIPATION.

AND DID YOU SAY ISAIAH? YEAH, MAN.

I USED TO BE AT A ROCK AFRO LIKE THAT.

THOSE TIMES ARE GONE.

BUT. BUT I LOOK UPON YOUR HAIR FONDLY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. SO I GOT I GOT A PROCLAMATION HERE FOR AND I HAVE ONE FOR EVERYBODY.

BUT LET ME GET TO IT HERE.

AND SO AND PARENTS, FAMILY, FRIENDS, THIS IS STREAMING LIVE.

SO YOU CAN GO TO THE CITY WEBSITE AND YOU CAN PULL THAT DOWN AND SAVE THAT AND YOU'LL HAVE ALL THOSE RECORDINGS.

SO JUST IN CASE.

ALL RIGHT. AND IT SAYS A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME GREETINGS.

WHEREAS THE SUMMER YOUTH PROGRAM PROVIDES MEANINGFUL JOB EXPERIENCES FOR LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AND RECENT HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES OF DENTON.

AND. WHEREAS, THE PROGRAM HIGHLIGHTS THE VALUE VALUE YOUTH PLAY IN THE WORKPLACE AND EMPOWERS AND AND MENTORS THEM TOWARDS SUCCESS. AND.

WHEREAS, THIS PROGRAM PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL TO SUCCEED REGARDLESS OF THEIR RACE, RELIGION, SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS, OR BACKGROUND.

AND. WHEREAS, THE CITY OF DENTON RECOGNIZES THE STUDENTS WHO HAVE COMPLETED THE EIGHT WEEK SUMMER YOUTH JOBS PROGRAM FOR THE SUMMER OF 2023.

NOW, THEREFORE, I GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THE FIRST DAY OF AUGUST 2023 AS SUMMER YOUTH PROGRAM DAY JOBS PROGRAM DAY.

CAN WE GIVE THEM A HAND? ALL RIGHT. LET'S IF Y'ALL CAN SIGN IT THIS WAY, WE'LL GET AND Y'ALL SLIDE TOWARDS THE MIDDLE AND WE'LL GET A PICTURE. SO WE'LL KIND OF ANGLE WE'LL LOOK AT RYAN HERE AT ANGLE HERE.

MAKE SURE, YEAH, THERE YOU GO.

HERE YOU GO. HERE. YOU CAN HOLD UP TO HALF OF THAT FOR ME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ONE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT. AND GARRETT.

GREAT. SHE'LL HAVE THOSE FOR YOU.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

THANK YOU, FAMILY. APPRECIATE YOU ALL LETTING US WORK WITH YOUR STUDENTS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH.

NO, THANK YOU. I SURE APPRECIATE IT.

THAT'S GREAT, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. NICE TO MEET YOU.

OKAY. AND THEN IF YOU ARE HERE FOR NATIONAL HEALTH WEEK.

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THANK YOU. YES, SIR. GOOD TO SEE YOU.

ALL RIGHT. HAVE A GREAT DAY. SEE YOU OUT HERE.

YEAH, I KNOW IT. I KNOW IT, MAN.

HELLO. HEY, HOW ARE YOU? WONDERFUL. GOOD, GOOD.

HEY, HOW ARE YOU DOING? GOOD TO SEE YOU.

YES, FOR SURE.

THANK YOU. I LOVE THAT SHIRT. THAT'S GREAT.

YES. HEY, VERY WELL.

THANK YOU. OKAY, SO Y'ALL TELL US WHO WANTS TO TELL US WHAT WE'RE RECOGNIZING? I'LL START. THANK YOU.

HELLO, EVERYONE. I'M DOREEN ROUX WITH HEALTH SERVICES IN NORTH TEXAS.

AND THIS IS THE ANNUAL NATIONAL HEALTH CENTER WEEK.

AND WE ALWAYS COME BEFORE THE CITY AND OUR PARTNERS AND APPRECIATE THE THE PARTNERSHIP AND THE THE WORK AND THE RECOGNITION THAT YOU ALL PROVIDE US AS WE SERVE OUR COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE QUALITY HEALTH CARE.

SO LAST YEAR WE SERVED 17,000 PEOPLE AND VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP WITH ALL OF YOU.

AND WHO DO WE HAVE WITH.

HELLO, I'M TERRY JOHNSON.

I'M WITH HEALTH SERVICES OF NORTH TEXAS.

AND I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF GETTING TO CONNECT PATIENTS TO CARE FOR THE LAST 11 YEARS AT HEALTH SERVICES OF NORTH TEXAS.

AND I'LL TELL YOU, WE LOVE BEING IN THIS COMMUNITY.

WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

AND WE ASK THAT YOU CELEBRATE WITH US BY TELLING SOMEONE WHO NEEDS A MEDICAL HOME ABOUT HSA.

WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND LEARN MORE ABOUT THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING TO CARE WELL FOR THE CITY OF DENTON RESIDENTS AND TO HELP THEM.

WE WANT OUR VISION IS A HEALTHY COMMUNITY, SO VERY MUCH A HEALTHY COMMUNITY.

SO WE'RE VERY THANKFUL FOR YOU.

AND SO IN HONOR OF NATIONAL HEALTH CENTER WEEK, TELL A FRIEND.

RIGHT. THANK YOU.

EXCELLENT. AND SO IF YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE.

HI, MY NAME IS DR.

STEVE SHULMAN, AND I'M A PEDIATRICIAN.

I'VE BEEN HERE IN DENTON SINCE 1985, AND I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF JOINING HEALTH SERVICES IN NORTH TEXAS AND BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE BETTER CARE TO THE COMMUNITY WITH THIS AMAZING ORGANIZATION SO WE CAN PROVIDE THE BEST CARE POSSIBLE TO THE KIDS IN THE CITY WHO DESERVE IT DESPITE WHATEVER THEIR SOCIO ECONOMIC STATUS IS. AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT EXCITED ABOUT BEING A PART OF THIS GREAT ORGANIZATION.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU.

SO MY ELBOWS BEEN HURTING LIKE RIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW? AND ALSO, CAN YOU TELL WHERE DO PEOPLE WHAT WEBSITE DO PEOPLE GO TO FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION? HEALTH SERVICES IN T XORG.

HEALTH SERVICES INC.ORG.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY.

AND SO THERE'S A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME.

GREETINGS. WHEREAS HEALTH SERVICES OF NORTH TEXAS PROVIDES QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE TO MORE THAN 17,000 NORTH TEXAS COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

AND. WHEREAS, AS A COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTER, HSA PROVIDES HEALTH CARE SERVICES INCLUDING PEDIATRICS, PRENATAL CARE AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TO POPULATIONS THAT MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE HAVE ACCESS TO CARE.

AND. WHEREAS, HSA BROUGHT IN MORE THAN $6.5 MILLION IN GRANT AND DEVELOPMENT FUNDING IN 2002, HELPING TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN COST TO PROVIDE CARE AND AND WHAT A PATIENT CAN AFFORD.

AND. WHEREAS IN 2022, 97% OF HSA PATIENTS WOULD RECOMMEND HSA TO PEOPLE, TO PEOPLE THEY KNOW, FURTHER CONFIRMING THE QUALITY OF CARE.

NOW, THEREFORE, I GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THIS WEEK OF AUGUST 6TH THROUGH THE 12TH 2023 AS NATIONAL HEALTH CENTER WEEK.

IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A HAND.

THANK YOU. AND.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. THANK.

OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

AND SO LET ME DO LET ME DO THIS ACTUALLY.

I'M GOING TO DO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

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THEN I'M GOING TO DO THE PUBLIC MEETING AND THEN WE'LL GET TO I THAT WAS PULLED SO THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GET UP AND DOWN THAT SORT OF THING, RIGHT? SO WE CAN JUST DO IT ALL AT ONCE AND WE CAN GO BACK AND FINISH OUR CLOSED SESSION.

SO, SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

BUT FOR I MAYOR PRO TEM, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ACCEPTING I COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE SECOND.

OKAY. MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE.

LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

OH, AND I HAVE THESE IS ON HIS WAY.

OKAY. OKAY.

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

SO WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS THAT ARE REGISTERED THAT I FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE.

SO FORGIVE ME FOR THAT. SO.

DONNA DILLENBURG.

DONNA. OKAY.

AND THEN STEVEN IS NOT HERE.

THEY SAY HE'S ON HIS WAY. STEVEN.

OKAY. NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRISTINE BRAY.

YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

SO. HELLO, Y'ALL.

THIS THING ON? YES, THANK YOU.

EXCELLENT. MY NAME IS CHRISTINE, AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A COMMENT BASED OFF OF YOUR WORK SESSION DISCUSSION OF THE BELL AND EAGLE AVENUE.

IT'S SORT OF FRUSTRATING TO SEE THAT THE CITY HAS A CLIMATE ACTION GOAL OF REDUCING EMISSIONS TO NET ZERO BY 2050.

WE HAVE AN ACTION ITEM OF VISION ZERO FOR THE CITY, ZERO PEDESTRIAN CYCLIST TRAFFIC DEATHS.

AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR TRAFFIC ASSUMPTIONS, WE BAKE IN THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT WILL INCREASE 3% EVERY YEAR TO 2020, 2043 AND THEN 2% UNTIL 2050, EFFECTIVELY DOUBLING TRAFFIC, SPECIFICALLY PERSONAL VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED DURING THAT TIME.

TO ME, THAT SEEMS LIKE A CLEAR CONFLICT IF OUR GOAL IS ZERO EMISSIONS AND ZERO TRAFFIC DEATHS, BUT WE PLAN FOR DOUBLING OF PERSONAL VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED. THAT SEEMS LIKE PLANNING FOR FAILURE, RIGHT? AND SO SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AND CONTEXTUALIZING THIS WITHIN THE BELL AND EAGLE INTERSECTION TO SLIP LANES TO TURN DOWN SOUTH FROM EAGLE ONTO SOUTHBOUND BELL AND THEN ONE SLIP LANE HEADED FROM SOUTHBOUND BELL ONTO EAGLE.

THOSE ARE NOT SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS, RIGHT? CARS ARE NOT STOPPING TO CHECK FOR PEDESTRIANS WHEN THEY'RE PASSING THROUGH THOSE SLIP LANES.

THE ENTIRE POINT OF SLIP LANES IS THAT THEY PROVIDE SAFE OR SORRY, FAST PASSAGE FOR VEHICLES.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO STOP. THEY DON'T HAVE TO CHECK FOR PEDESTRIANS.

BUT THEN WE HAVE A THREE SEGMENT PEDESTRIAN CYCLING CROSSING ACROSS THOSE TWO PARKING LANES.

RIGHT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DESIGN, I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHERE YOU ALL THINK THE CROSSWALK WOULD GO IN THAT DESIGN.

IS IT ARE PEOPLE JUST WEAVING THEIR WAY THROUGH CARS THAT ARE PARKED UP AT THAT LIGHT THERE? AND THAT'S A RESULT OF THAT 3% INCREASE ANNUALLY? ASSUMPTION WE'RE PLANNING FOR FAILURE.

WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR CLIMATE ACTION GOALS, OUR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY GOALS.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S JUST IMMENSELY FRUSTRATING.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SCENARIO WHERE OUR TRAFFIC ASSUMPTIONS ARE IN LINE WITH OUR VISION ZERO ARE IN LINE WITH OUR NET ZERO GOALS, RIGHT? WHERE OUR ASSUMPTION IS THAT PERSONAL VEHICLE TRAFFIC IS DECREASING OVER TIME BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE DOING MODE SWITCH, THEY'RE SWITCHING TO WALKING, THEY'RE SWITCHING TO CYCLING, THEY'RE SWITCHING TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN LINE WITH OUR STATED GOALS AS LAID OUT IN OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS LAID OUT IN OUR VISION ZERO PLAN. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SEE WHEN WE START DOING TRAFFIC PLANNING, RIGHT? WE PLAN FOR AN INCREASE, A DOUBLING IN PERSONAL VEHICLE TRAFFIC.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY EXAMINE THAT ASSUMPTION AND MOVE TOWARDS THINGS THAT ARE MORE IN LINE WITH OUR POLICY GOALS.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND LIAM, YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME.

YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

HELLO, MY NAME IS LIAM WAKEFIELD.

I WAS ALSO AT THE WORK SESSION AND LIKE WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE PROPOSALS, I, I THINK THE THAT FIRST PROPOSAL IS MUCH NEEDED AND THAT SHOULD BE DONE ON THIS.

BUT ON THE SECOND PROPOSAL, I AND I DID ASK AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WILL BE SIGNALING AND SUCH.

BUT AS SOMEONE THAT I'VE HAD CROSSED SLIP LANES BEFORE AND THAT'S ALWAYS THE MOST TERRIFYING THING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY TEXTING OR PAYING ATTENTION AND IF

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THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING OUT FOR ME.

AND THAT'S EVEN WHEN I'M ACTUALLY WHEN I'M DRIVING A CAR, WHEN I ALWAYS KEEP AN EYE ON THE SLIP LANES BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION.

AND WHEN YOU'RE ADDING NOT JUST THE TWO NORTH AND SOUTH, BUT LIKE ON THE SOUTHBOUND SLIP LANES, YOU'RE ADDING TWO LANES TO GET THROUGH THAT.

LIKE FOR ME, I CAN PROBABLY DO IT JUST FINE.

EVEN I MIGHT, MIGHT, MIGHT BE SWEATING A BIT MORE THAN NORMAL, BUT I COULD PROBABLY MAKE IT.

BUT IT'S FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE CHILDREN OR PEOPLE WITH MOBILITY ISSUES OR IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET IF YOU'RE MOVING SOMETHING LIKE HEAVY WITH YOU, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE EASY TO MOVE QUICKLY.

AND AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE TO WEAVE THROUGH THE CARS THAT ARE PARKED ON THE WHICH I DON'T PEOPLE HERE IN DENTON, THEY TEND TO SIT ON THE CROSSWALKS KNOW LIKE WHEN THEY'RE WAITING FOR TRAFFIC THEY DON'T THEY DON'T LEAVE THEM OPEN.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO GET GET THROUGH THOSE AND I UNDERSTAND THE WANT TO MOVE FAST, BUT IT'S ALSO GOING BACK TO WHAT CHRISTINE SAID WITH THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING ON THE TRAFFIC, WE HAVE THE MEANS OF WHICH TO REDUCE PERSONAL VEHICLE MILES, LIKE WE LIKE THE CITY HAS WORKED WITH DCTA, WITH THE GO ZONE, WITH THE BUSSES, WITH THE TRAIN.

THOSE ARE AND WORKED ON HAVING BIKE ABILITY, WALKABILITY AND OTHER FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION THOUGH LIKE IF.

THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IF WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT PERSONAL VEHICLE MILES.

THOSE ARE PROVEN SOLUTIONS TO REDUCING THOSE.

AND PEOPLE ARE REALLY GOOD AT INTERNALIZING WHAT YOU BUILD A PLACE FOR.

IF YOU BUILD IT FOR CARS, PEOPLE WILL USE CARS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SAFE IS THE MOST CONVENIENT IF YOU BUILD IT FOR PEOPLE THAT'S IN OTHER FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION, THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL USE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU BUILT IT FOR.

THEY'RE REALLY GOOD AT THAT.

AND IT'S IT'S FOR THEIR SAFETY AND CONVENIENCE.

PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND AND WHY THEY NEED TO GET.

AND HOW WHAT IS THE SAFEST AND MOST CONVENIENT WAY TO GET AROUND? I YIELD THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.

SO THE LAST SPEAKER UNFORTUNATELY GOT HERE IN TIME.

WILLIE HUDSPETH. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GET YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES DEPENDING ON HOW THIS GOES.

YEAH. OKAY.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

MY NAME IS WILLIE HUDSPETH.

I LIVE AT 623 NEWTON.

ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO, I'D LIKE FOR SOMEBODY TO DEAL WITH THE THE MAYOR.

EVER SINCE HE WAS SEVEN YEARS OLD, HE'S BEEN A PROBLEM.

SO SOMEBODY DEAL WITH HIM.

LET ME JUST SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE GO ZONE.

THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA.

I THINK THAT VEHICLE COMING PICKING UP PEOPLE.

BUT IT'S SO CONFUSING.

IT'S JUST CONFUSING.

I TRIED TO GET ONE TO GO OUT TO BILL OUT OF FORD.

SURELY THEY KNOW WHERE THAT IS, WHAT IT IS.

BUT THEY SAY WE DON'T GO THERE.

I THOUGHT IT WAS IN THE COUNTY.

WELL, CORINTH IS RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 35.

SO I THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE THEY GO TO CORINTH.

AND SO I DROVE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO GET TO THAT REPAIR SHOP OUT THERE.

CAN'T PICK YOU UP.

THEN I WENT ONE DAY TO.

THERE IS A PLACE WHERE THE COUNTY BUILDINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT CAMPUS WHERE THE COUNTY BUILDINGS ARE AND THEN THAT THAT STORE THERE.

ALDI. ALDI.

ALDI, ALDI. THAT'S IT, RIGHT? ALDI. ALDI.

YEAH. YEAH. WE DON'T GO THERE ON THE STREET, RIGHT BEHIND THEM.

I GUESS. I'M SURE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN LOOK AT TO FIND OUT WHERE THE THINGS DO GO.

BUT IT. IT CONFUSES ME THAT YOU CAN'T.

IT'S CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY YOU.

YOU DON'T DELIVER.

GO GET GO GET PEOPLE TO PICK THEM UP IN CERTAIN PARTS YOU DO.

SO IT'S CONFUSING TO ME.

AND SO I GUESS SOMEONE WILL TELL ME AFTERWARDS HOW I CAN FIND OUT WHERE, WHO, WHERE YOU PICK UP AND WHERE YOU DON'T. I CALL THE MAYOR.

OH, NO, NO, NO.

THAT. THAT. SO SOMEBODY WITH SOME SOME CLOUT OR JUST SOME SOME WAY TO HELP.

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HELP A SENIOR CITIZEN USE THAT DURING CAR.

TALK TO ME LATER ABOUT IT AND THEN MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME.

HEY, SIRI BLOCK.

WILLY'S PHONE CALLS.

SO. AND I'M. OH, NO, DON'T CALL HER.

SO. THERE WERE QUESTIONS FOR.

BUT HE WAS.

SO I WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT.

BUT HE WASN'T IT WAS HE FILLED OUT A CARD.

SO WAS AT A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

OKAY. THEN IT WAS COUNCILMAN AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

AS THE MAYOR IS ALLUDING TO, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IMPROMPTU ITEMS, EXCEPT WE CAN REQUEST THAT CERTAIN ITEMS BE PUT UP ON A FUTURE AGENDA. SO I'M ASKING STAFF IF THEY WILL BRING FORWARD THE TRAFFIC MODEL ASSUMPTIONS AT, SAY, THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE MEETING.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST.

JUST AS A TO STATE A FACT, I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE FOLKS WHO WHO WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THINGS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED IN WORK SESSION TO REMIND THEM THAT THERE IS IN FACT A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IN OUR WORK SESSION WHERE WE CAN HAVE FOLKS COME AND SPEAK ABOUT THE VERY THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE CONSIDERING THEM BEFORE, IN FACT, WE CONSIDER THEM. SO THANK YOU.

[A. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an Ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas regarding a change in the zoning district and use classification on approximately 3.456 acres of land from the Public Facilities (PF) District to the Mixed-Use Regional (MR) District. The site is generally located west of Mayhill Road, approximately 850 feet south of Roy Road, in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official zoning map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing for severability and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted 6 - 0 to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Smith and second by Commissioner Pruett. (Z23-0009a, Jefferson at Mayhill, Mia Hines).]

TAKES US TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING.

AND THAT'S ITEM A Z.

230009. A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS REGARDING A CHANGE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT AND USE CLASSIFICATION OF APPROXIMATELY 3.46 ACRES OF LAND FROM THE PUBLIC FACILITIES DISTRICT.

NO, NO, NO. YEAH, I'M.

I'M GOING TO. SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET UP AND GET DOWN.

SO YEAH, SO I THINK I GOT THROUGH MOST OF IT.

YES. SO I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. OKAY.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, MIA HINES, ASSOCIATE PLANNER.

THIS ITEM Z 23 0009 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY OR JUST UNDER THREE AND A HALF ACRES FROM F TO M R.

THE SITE IS GENERALLY LOCATED JUST WEST OF MAY HILL ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 850FT SOUTH OF ROY ROAD, WHICH IS A PLATTED ROAD BEING CONSTRUCTED AS A PART OF A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE.

THE PROPERTIES SURROUNDING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO THE WEST AND NORTH ARE CURRENTLY ZONED HIM IN TO HAVE A PROPERTY ZONED M R AND THEN TO THE EAST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MAY.

HILL IS A PROPERTY ZONED P F THAT IS CURRENTLY THE CITY LANDFILL.

THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS SITE IS REGIONAL MIXED USE PER THE DENTON 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE SITE ITSELF IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.

JUST A QUICK SIDE BY SIDE DISTRICT COMPARISON OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE ZONING FOR THE SITE COMPARED TO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING.

AS FAR AS LOT SIZE AND DIMENSIONS, WE AREN'T LOOKING AT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE THERE.

THERE IS AN OVERALL INCREASE IN THE MINIMUM LANDSCAPE AREA THAT WE WOULD EXPECT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS FROM 15% TO 25%.

ALSO AN INCREASE IN THE MINIMUM TREE CANOPY COVERAGE THAT WE WOULD ACCEPT AS WELL.

THE BIGGEST USE OR THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS IN THE USES PERMITTED IN THE PUBLIC FACILITIES DISTRICT.

THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC FACILITIES, THOSE PUBLIC AND QUASI PUBLIC FACILITIES, SCHOOLS, GOVERNMENT OFFICES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THE MIXED USE REGIONAL DISTRICT PERMITS MORE OF THOSE COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE TRULY MEANT TO SERVE THAT REGIONAL CONTEXT.

JUST A ADDED THIS AS A QUICK BACKGROUND FOR HOW WE GOT TO THE CURRENT PROPERTY, THE CURRENT ZONING OF THIS PROPERTY AND PER THE FORMER DEVELOPMENT CODE, THIS PROPERTY WAS ZONED RXD PER THE TRANSITION TABLE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AS A PART OF OUR DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE.

PROPERTIES THAT WERE ZONED RXD WERE TO TRANSITION TO THE MIXED USE REGIONAL ZONING DISTRICT.

THIS PROPERTY, HOWEVER, WAS UNDER THE CITY OWNERSHIP AT THE TIME OF OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS CODE.

AND PER THIS SAME TABLE, ALL PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTIES WERE TO TRANSITION TO THE ZONING.

THE CITY HAS SINCE CONVEYED THIS PROPERTY BACK TO A PRIVATE ENTITY.

AND SO NOW THAT CURRENT APPLICANT OR THAT CURRENT OWNER IS REQUESTING TO CHANGE IT FROM PUBLIC FACILITIES TO M-R SO THAT THEY COULD DEVELOP THIS SITE, WE DID PUT THIS UP AGAINST THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN SUBCHAPTER TWO OF OUR DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE AND IT DOES MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION OF REGIONAL MIXED USE AND THAT ZONING DISTRICT OR THE PROPOSAL IS ALSO MEETING THE INTENT OF THE MIXED USE REGIONAL ZONING DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR REGIONAL MIXED USE TYPE OF TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT TO BE ON THIS SITE.

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OF COURSE WE DID PERFORM PUBLIC OUTREACH PER OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE STATE REQUIREMENTS.

WE DID RECEIVE ONE LETTER IN FAVOR, BUT THAT IS UNDER THE CURRENT OWNERSHIP OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

SO ESSENTIALLY THE OWNER APPLICANT IS OKAY WITH WITH THIS ZONING CHANGE.

OF COURSE WITH THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS REZONING AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID HEAR THIS A FEW WEEKS AGO AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SIX ZERO AS WELL.

SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

BUT AT THIS TIME I WOULD GLADLY STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK ONE.

I WAS TRYING TO YOU SAID CONVEYED HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS THERE.

SO IT WAS ACQUIRED AND THEN SO JUST STEP ME THROUGH THAT.

I JUST WASN'T CLEAR TO ME.

YEAH, IT WAS. WE SOLD IT BACK TO A PRIVATE ENTITY.

OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU.

LET'S SEE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND? FOR USE AS A RESIDENCE? IS THAT THE INTENDED USE? NO. THE THE PROPOSED USE FOR THE SITE PER THE THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE IS MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THE THE ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE SALE THE PURPOSE OF THE SALE OR WELL THE INTENDED USE THE INTENDED USE OF THIS PROPERTY IS IS MULTIFAMILY PER THE APPLICANT. BUT OF COURSE WITH THIS JUST BEING A STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICT, ANY PERMITTED USE UNDER THAT MR ZONING DISTRICT WOULD BE ALLOWED.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, SO IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO CARES TO SPEAK ON IT, YOU CAN JUST COME DOWN.

BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE PLANS FOR THIS SITE AND THE PLANS FOR THE NEW BRIDGE, ETCETERA.

THERE'S SETBACKS AND ALL THOSE THINGS IN PLACE THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH OR WITH THAT COME IN LATER.

YEAH, WE'LL REVIEW THE THE DEVELOPMENTS WHEN THEY COME IN.

WHEN THOSE SPECIFIC LAND USES COME IN.

I WILL SAY THAT THE THE CIP OR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FOR MAY HILL ROAD, THE BOTH THE RECONSTRUCTION AND THE SORT OF REALIGNMENT IN THIS AREA IS EXPECTED TO BE DONE BY FALL OF 2024.

SO THAT'S SORT OF INDEPENDENT OF THE REQUESTED ZONING CHANGE.

IT'S HAPPENING CERTAINLY, BUT WE HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY AND ENOUGH ALL THOSE THINGS.

OKAY, GREAT. SO AGAIN, IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? YOU CAN DO SO.

JUST FILL OUT A CARD AFTERWARDS.

SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COUNCILMAN HOLLAND, THAT'S YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

ARE YOU GOOD? NO. OKAY, GREAT.

I BEG YOUR PARDON. NO PROBLEM.

COUNCIL MEMBER O COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. IT'S JUST A COMMENT.

I FIND IT INTERESTING LOOKING AT THE COMPARISON CHART.

I NOTED THIS OVER THE WEEKEND.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE LANDSCAPE AREA AND THE TREE CANOPY THRESHOLD IS HIGHER FOR FOR MULTI AND THEN THAN IT IS FOR PUBLIC. I JUST I FOUND THAT OF NOTE SO.

OKAY. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER MELTZER.

YEAH I MOVE APPROVAL MAYOR PRO TEM SECOND.

OKAY. MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER MELTZER SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THAT TAKES US BACK TO OUR ITEM FOR FOR WE HAVE ONE ITEM TO GO BACK TO

[I. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton authorizing an agreement between the City of Denton and the Denton Rotary Club Noon for the expenditure of City Council Contingency funds in the amount of $1,425 for the American Flag Program; and providing an effective date. ($1,425 - Community Partnership Committee recommends approval 2-0)]

ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.

I LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT AND THEN WE'LL JUST MEET IN THE.

COUNCIL WORK SESSION ROOM.

LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER AND COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD HAVE RECUSED THEMSELVES.

I'LL CALL THAT ITEM.

IT'S ID 231386.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, AUTHORIZING AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON AND THE DENTON ROTARY CLUB.

NOON FOR EXPENDITURE OF CITY COUNCIL CONTINGENCY FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,425 FOR THE AMERICAN FLAG PROGRAM AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

ANY MAYOR.

MAYOR PRO TEM. YEAH, I JUST HAD A PROCEDURAL QUESTION ABOUT WHERE WE'RE RECONVENING AT THE VOTE.

I'M GOING TO MOTION TO APPROVE, BUT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE CONCLUDING ITEMS IN HERE OR IN THERE? FAIR POINT.

I GUESS WE SHOULD DO THAT IN HERE.