[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the City of Denton Draft Climate Action and Adaptation Plan. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 1 hour]]

RECEIVE REPORT. WHOLE DISCUSSION GIVES STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE CITY OF DENTON DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION AND ADOPTION PLAN.

MAYOR MICHAEL GARNER IS GOING TO BE DOING THE PRESENTATION.

I THINK MICHAEL IS THE CONSULTANT GOING TO BE ZOOMING IN.

YES. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS IS THIS WAS A COUNCIL PASSED EFFORT SAYING THEY SUPPORTED THE CLIMATE ACTION AND ADAPTATION PLAN TO ZERO.

AND SO WHEN THE CONSULTANT WAS HIRED, IT WAS TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE WOULD GET TO THAT BY 2050.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND THEN MICHAEL CAN SHARE WITH YOU FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE AS A DIRECTOR AND AS HOW YOU WOULD MOVE FORWARD, DEPENDING ON YOUR COMMENTS FOR THE FUTURE.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. SIR. MAYOR.

MEMBER OF COUNCIL, THIS IS MICHAEL GAGNIER, DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AND SUSTAINABILITY FOR THE CITY OF DENTON.

TO START WITH, HERE ON THE CLIMATE ACTION AND ADAPTATION PLAN, I WANT TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE BACKGROUND.

WE ACTUALLY STARTED TRACKING OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BACK IN 2006, TRACKING AND REPORTING, THEN MOVING UP INTO 2022.

COUNCIL TOOK ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT SCIENCE BASED TARGETS, TO SET OUT A GOAL TO GET US TO NET ZERO BY 2050, AS WELL AS CALLING OUT THE NEED FOR A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THAT WAS UNDER ORDINANCE 20 2-746.

THAT BRINGS US UP BASICALLY TO TODAY.

SO FROM THE TIME WE DID THAT, WE ACTUALLY INITIATED AND CONTRACTED WITH SUSTAINABILITY SOLUTIONS GROUP TO DEVELOP THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN FOR US.

WE ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, WE ENGAGE THE SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

WE'VE DONE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, A LOT OF MODELING, A LOT OF DATA ANALYSIS TO GET HERE TODAY.

SO THIS TODAY IS THE DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION AND ADAPTATION PLAN.

AGAIN, THIS IS THE CONSULTANT WE'VE WORKED WITH AND STAFF TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR HOW DENTON AS A COMMUNITY CAN REACH NET ZERO BY 2050.

I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH EVERYTHING ON THE SLIDE, BUT SOME OF THE KEY ASPECTS IS EVEN WITH ALL THE ACTIONS IDENTIFIED IN HERE, WE REACH 87% REDUCTION SO WE DON'T GET FULLY TO ZERO, BUT WE REACH 87%.

ANOTHER KEY ASPECT IS THIS IS COMMUNITY WIDE.

IT TAKES BUY IN INVESTMENT ACTIVITY, ACCOUNTABILITY ACROSS THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TO REACH THE GOAL OF GETTING TO NET ZERO BY 2050.

THE LAST BULLET ON HERE TO ME IS KEY AS WELL.

WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS, WE HAVE TO MONITOR AND REPORT.

SO WE HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH OURSELVES WHEN WE ADOPT A PLAN AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO ADJUST IT AND IMPROVE IT AS THINGS CHANGE.

SO THIS SHOULDN'T BE A PLAN THAT JUST SITS ON THE SHELF.

IT SHOULD BE AN ACTIVE, GROWING DOCUMENT AS THINGS CHANGE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO TODAY, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, WE'RE NOT ASKING COUNCIL TO TAKE TO ADOPT THIS PLAN TODAY.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THAT FORMAL ACTION.

WE'RE WANTING TO WALK THROUGH THE PLAN WITH THE ACTIONS TO SEE SHOULD WE KEEP THOSE ACTIONS.

DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD REMOVE THEM? DO YOU THINK WE MAY WANT TO MODIFY THEM? IS THERE SOMETHING WE MIGHT HAVE MISSED THAT YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT? AFTER THE PLAN GETS FINALIZED, AT SOME POINT, THOSE ACTIONS WILL THEN BE LAID OUT IN AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN BY STAFF TO SHOW HOW WE CAN REACH THOSE. SO THAT'S ANOTHER DELIVERABLE AFTER THIS.

SO SHIFTING IN TO GOING OVER THE ACTUAL PLAN ITSELF, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO AGAIN, JUST PAUSE FOR A SECOND.

WE DID, AS A CITY, ADOPT SCIENCE BASED TARGETS BACK IN 2022 TO TRY TO REACH NET ZERO BY 2050.

THIS PLAN OUTLINES 15 ACTIONS ACROSS FOUR MAJOR SHIFTS.

AND I THINK THE KEY WORD THERE IS MAJOR.

THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS PLAN THAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE EASY.

THERE'S A REASON IT SAYS MAJOR.

IT'S NOT AN EASY SHIFT.

IT'S A MAJOR SHIFT.

WE AS A CITY CAN SHOW LEADERSHIP AND CATALYZE THINGS BY MAKING CHANGES OURSELF, OR WE DO CONTROL THAT.

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A COMMUNITY WIDE ENGAGEMENT, RESPONSIBILITY AND BUY IN TO ACTUALLY MAKE THIS PLAN BE SUCCESSFUL.

THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN JUST SHOWS YOU THE FOUR MAJOR SHIFTS BY NAME AND THE PERCENTAGES.

THERE IS WHAT PERCENTAGE THE ACTIONS IN THAT MAJOR SHIFT MOVE US TOWARDS THAT 87% REDUCTION.

SO YOU'LL SEE THEY GO UP FROM FIVE ALL THE WAY UP TO 59%.

AND TRANSPORTATION.

TO SHOW A TRAJECTORY ANALYSIS.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING HERE, THE TOP LINE IS WHAT CITY OF DENTON IF YOU LOOKED AT DENTON, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR CORPORATE BOUNDARY AND YOU PUT A TENT AROUND US, WHAT

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EMISSIONS WOULD COME WITHIN THAT TENT BETWEEN NOW AND 2050? THE TOP LINE IS BASICALLY SAYING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING MORE AGGRESSIVE.

WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW SUIT WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE METROPLEX AND THE REGION NATIONALLY, EVERYTHING.

SO WE'VE GOT POPULATION GROWTH BUILT IN THERE.

WE HAVE EV ADOPTION BUILT IN THERE BASED ON WHAT THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT IS PROJECTING.

SO CERTAIN EFFICIENCIES THERE.

BUT BASICALLY OVERALL IT'S OUR POPULATION BOOM THAT'S WORKING AGAINST US.

SO AT THE END OF THAT BUSINESS PLAN SCENARIO, WE'RE AT 31% HIGHER THAN WE WERE BACK IN 2019.

THE BOTTOM LINE WOULD BE IF WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO MEET OUR SCIENCE BASED TARGETS, THAT'S THE TRAJECTORY THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO GET DOWN TO NET ZERO BY 2050.

THE MIDDLE LINE IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING TODAY.

IT'S THE LOW CARBON SCENARIO AS PRESENTED, WHICH MEANS WE'RE TAKING AGGRESSIVE ACTIONS.

BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO THE ZERO.

WE'RE GOING TO GET AWFULLY CLOSE, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ALL THE WAY THERE.

SO TO START AT A HIGH LEVEL FINANCIAL SUMMARY, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLANNING PROCESS.

TYPICALLY, AS YOU SHOW WHAT KIND OF INVESTMENT, WHAT KIND OF RETURN.

THIS GRAPHIC SOMEWHAT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

BUT THIS IS COMMUNITY WIDE.

THIS IS PUBLIC, PRIVATE.

EVERYBODY AGAIN, THINK OF THAT TENT AROUND DENTON.

SO IF YOU'RE LIVING, OPERATING, RUNNING A BUSINESS, EVERYTHING WITHIN DENTON, THAT COMBINED INVESTMENT IS WHAT'S REFLECTED ON HERE.

AND THOSE SAME FOLKS WOULD RECEIVE THE REVENUE OR SAVINGS THAT'S PROJECTED ON HERE.

SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, THIS PLAN PROPOSES THAT IT WILL RETURN BASICALLY 4 BILLION IN SAVINGS ON A $3.2 BILLION INVESTMENT.

SO TO JUMP RIGHT IN MY PRESENTATION IS GOING TO GO REVERSE FROM THE PLAN.

I'M MOVING FROM THE SMALLEST PERCENTAGE TO THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF OVERALL REDUCTION.

JUST A SLIGHT SHIFT.

SO I'M GOING TO START WITH WATER AND SOLID WASTE.

THESE ARE ACTIONS 14 AND 15 OUT OF THE PLAN.

THE FIRST ONE WE ALL KNOW WE WANT TO REDUCE WATER, BUT BY ACTUALLY SETTING A GOAL OR A TARGET ACTION TO REACH 50% REDUCTION BY 2040, THAT ACCOUNTS FOR 0.01% OF OUR OVERALL REDUCTION.

SEEMS AWFULLY SMALL.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON.

BUT IT'S A PIECE OF THE PUZZLE IF WE DON'T DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

WE'RE ALREADY FALLING A LITTLE SHORT ON THE ZERO TARGET, SO EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS.

THE BOTTOM ONE HERE IS MORE AGGRESSIVE ON SOLID WASTE.

SOLID WASTE IS DOING A LOT OF AGGRESSIVE THINGS.

WE'RE LUCKY THAT WE ACTUALLY MANAGE OUR OWN LANDFILL.

HAVE SOME CONTROLS THERE.

BUT WITHIN THIS THE PROPOSED ACTION IS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF WASTE WE'RE PRODUCING PER CAPITA BY 40% BY 2040.

AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, DIVERTING BE MORE AGGRESSIVE ON WHAT'S BEING DIVERTED AWAY FROM THE LANDFILL AS WELL BY THE 2030 AND 2050.

SO ULTIMATELY, THESE TARGETS ARE MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN WHAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT STRATEGY.

THEY'RE LESS AGGRESSIVE THAN SOME THINGS THAT ARE BEING DONE ON AN INTERNATIONAL LEVEL.

SO TO PUT THE NUMBERS TO IT.

THIS WOULD ACCOUNT FOR BASICALLY A 1 MILLION TONS OF CO2 EQUIVALENTS ELIMINATED BY PERFORMING THESE TWO ACTIONS, FOR BASICALLY A TOTAL PERCENT REDUCTION OF 5%.

THAT 5% IS OUT OF THE 87% THAT THIS PLAN SHOWS WE CAN REDUCE.

SO IT'S NOT 5% OVERALL.

IT'S 5% OF THAT 87%.

MOVING INTO URBAN FORM AND BUILDING ACTIONS.

URBAN FORM IS KIND OF HOW WE THINK ABOUT PLANNING, ZONING, BUILDING OUT THE CITY IS WHERE THAT WOULD COME INTO.

SO THERE'S A SYNERGY BETWEEN THE TOP TWO ACTIONS.

SO BY SHIFTING TO MORE COMPACT RESIDENTIAL WHAT THE THE THEORY BEHIND THAT IS WHEN WE SHARE WALLS, A SHARED WALL OR THE LESS WALLS THAT ARE EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS.

THE MORE EFFICIENT THAT STRUCTURE IS BECAUSE, AGAIN, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO HEAT AND COOL OR COMPETE WITH THE OUTDOOR ELEMENTS ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE BUILDING, MAYBE YOU'RE ONLY COMPETING ON TWO SIDES.

MAYBE YOU'RE COMPETING ON THREE SIDES.

THAT'S THE THEORY THERE.

THEN TO REDUCE TO REQUIRE NEW BUILDINGS TO MEET THE VERY HIGH ENERGY EFFICIENCY STANDARD, OR WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE PASSIVE HOUSE STANDARD BY 2028.

THE LAST ACTION ON HERE IS TO RENOVATE EXISTING BUILDINGS TO REDUCE ENERGY CONSUMPTION.

SO TO REDUCE THAT CONSUMPTION, BASICALLY STARTING IN 2025 THROUGH 2045, BY GETTING THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW WE IMPROVE THE BUILDING ENVELOPE TO REDUCE THE DEMAND ON THAT BUILDING.

SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE HVAC EQUIPMENT.

IT'S MORE OF THE INSULATION, THE WINDOWS, THE DOORS, HOW THAT BUILDING FUNCTIONS IN THE NORMAL WORLD WHERE SO IF WE HAVE MORE HEATING DAYS OR COOLING DAYS, HEATING

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DAYS ARE THE MORE DAYS YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO TURN YOUR HEAT ON, IN A SENSE.

AND COOLING DAYS ARE MORE DAYS THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO IN AND TURN YOUR AIR PRESSURE ON.

AND WITH OUR AVERAGE TEMPERATURES GOING UP, THAT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE OVER TIME.

SO THIS. MAJOR SHIFT ACCOUNTS FOR ROUGHLY 10% OF THAT 87% OVERALL.

PUT IT TO THE NUMBERS AGAIN, BASICALLY 2.7 2.8 MILLION, ROUGHLY 10%.

THIS DOES HAVE A SLIGHT RETURN ON INVESTMENT THERE OF 0.4 BILLION NECESSARILY OVERALL.

THE ONE ASPECT HERE IS IF WE INCREASE THE BUILDING ENVELOPES, WHAT THEY'RE PROJECTING IS THAT HOUSEHOLDS COULD SAVE ANYWHERE FROM 30 TO 50% IN THEIR ANNUAL ENERGY COSTS.

SO IF YOU INCREASE AND REALLY GET THAT ENERGY TO BE BUILDING TO BE TIGHT, SO IT'S MORE EFFICIENT IN HOW IT HEATS AND COOLS AND OPERATES, PLUG EFFICIENCY, EVERYTHING THEY CAN GET TO 30 TO 50% ANNUAL ENERGY COSTS.

NOW ENERGY ACTIONS THIS KIND OF OVERLAPS WITH BUILDINGS.

IT'S EACH DEPENDS WHICH ONE YOU DIVIDE WHERE.

MOST OF THESE DO OVERLAP WITH EACH OTHER.

THE TOP ONE IS LOOKING AT WHAT MOST OF US WOULD THINK OF AS SOME TYPE OF SOLAR OR WIND DRIVEN.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT LOCAL RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCES.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE ABOUT NINE MEGAWATTS LOCALLY.

THIS PROJECTS TO INCREASE THAT TO 192 BY 2048.

YOU'LL NOTICE HOWEVER IT'S 0.4% OF THE OVERALL.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE A HUGE CHANGE NECESSARILY IN OUR OVERALL EMISSION.

BUT IT'S NECESSARY TO KEEP US GOING ON A RESILIENCY EFFORT TO BE BETTER POSITIONED IN 2050 FOR THE FUTURE.

AS YOU MOVE DOWN TO CONVERTING BUILDINGS TO ZERO EMISSIONS, THIS IS MORE OF A CHANGE OF LOOKING MORE AT LIKE A HEAT PUMP.

HEAT PUMPS CAN BE 3 TO 3 TO 400% EFFICIENT.

THE LITTLE GRAPHIC AT THE BOTTOM SAYS BASICALLY, FOR EVERY ENERGY UNIT OF ENERGY, IT PRODUCES 3 TO 4 UNITS OF HEAT OR COOL.

SO IT'S MUCH MORE EFFICIENT.

A STANDARD GAS FURNACE, FOR EXAMPLE, IS USUALLY ABOUT 98 TO 99% EFFICIENT.

SO IT'S MORE OF A 1 TO 1 RATIO JUST FOR COMPARISON.

WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE SOME THINGS WE'RE ALREADY DOING WITH OUR ORGANIC WASTE AND OUR LANDFILL GAS TO MAXIMIZE WHAT WE CAN CREATE AND GENERATE AS RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS. RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS HELPS US OFFSET THOSE OTHER GAS IMPACTS ACROSS THE COMMUNITY.

SO IF WE'RE GENERATING OUR OWN RENEWABLE GAS, IT GIVES US THAT CREDIT, THAT OFFSET WITHIN THAT WE WANT TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT.

SINCE WE'RE ON THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR OF I-35, WE WANT TO LOOK TO SEE IF THE OVER-THE-ROAD TRUCKS START HEADING TOWARDS HYDROGEN TO FACILITATE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A HYDROGEN FUELING STATION ALONG THAT TRANSPORTATION ROUTE, TO ENSURE AS YOU'RE COMING IN OR ENTERING OR EXITING THE METROPLEX, IF YOU NEED A FUEL, YOU CAN.

IT'S SOMETHING TO GO LOOK AT WHETHER THAT FALLS ON DENTON OR IT FALLS ON SOMEONE ADJACENT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT.

BEING THE TIP OF THE METROPLEX, WHETHER WE'RE THE ENTRY POINT OR THE EXIT POINT.

THE LAST ONE THEY'RE RECOMMENDING, WE LOOK AT TRYING TO POSITION WAREHOUSES NEAR OTHER STRUCTURES THAT MAY HAVE WASTE HEAT.

SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY MAXIMIZE OR USE THAT WASTE IN A PURPOSEFUL WAY TO BASICALLY HEAT THE WAREHOUSE.

SO YOU'RE BASICALLY NOT USING MORE ENERGY, YOU'RE JUST USING THAT WASTE FOR A PURPOSE.

SO INSTEAD OF CREATING WASTE, YOU'RE HEATING WITH IT.

AND THEY WANT TO PUSH ON OVERALL ON GENERAL BUILDING INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS TO BE 20 TO 30% MORE EFFICIENT IN ENERGY CONSUMPTION BY STARTING IN 2025.

SO AS WE START DOING A SHIFT, THEY HAVEN'T PUT A HARD NUMBER ON HOW MANY BUILDINGS, BUT WE'RE PROJECTING OR THE ACTION WOULD BE AS TO REDUCE START REDUCING THAT CONSUMPTION ON THOSE BUILDINGS STARTING AS SOON AS 2025.

I DO WANT TO SAY THESE ARE ALL ACTIONS.

THEY'RE ALL MODELED.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO ADOPT TODAY, BUT THESE TIMELINES, IF THEY SHIFT SLIGHTLY, COULD IMPACT THE OVERALL REDUCTION.

THEY'VE TIMED THEM OUT.

THEY'VE PUT THEM OUT TO GET US THE MAXIMUM RETURN ON EMISSIONS FOR WHAT THEY PROJECT TO BE THE LOWEST COST INITIALLY AS WELL.

SO THE TIMELINES ARE IMPORTANT AS MUCH AS THE ACTIONS FINANCIALLY OR EMISSIONS WISE.

THIS ONE GETS US ALMOST 7 MILLION TONS.

IT ACCOUNTS FOR ALMOST 26% OF OUR OVERALL REDUCTION, AND HAS AN OVERALL NET RETURN OF ABOUT A HALF A BILLION ON 1.5 1.4 BILLION INVESTMENT.

TRANSPORTATION. TRANSPORTATION IS KIND OF THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE IN THE METROPLEX FOR YEARS.

WHETHER YOU LOOK AT OZONE NON-ATTAINMENT DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT TRANSPORTATION IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE AGAIN, THE CITY, OUR CITY FLEET, IF YOU LOOK ON THE MIDDLE PART OF THE SLIDE, PROBABLY THE MIDDLE OF THE BOTTOM HALF, IT SAYS RIGHT SIZE AND FULLY DECARBONIZE THE MUNICIPAL FLEET AND EQUIPMENT BY 2050.

SO IF WE DO EVERYTHING IN OUR CONTROL AND OUR FLEET, WE GET 0.1%.

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SO IT'S A CHALLENGE. THE BULK OF THIS ACTION TAKES THE COMMUNITY TO EMBRACE AND MAKE THAT CHANGE.

CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR. CHANGE HOW THEY DRIVE, CHANGE HOW THEY MOVE.

THE FIRST ACTION OUT HERE IS DECREASING THE TOTAL NUMBER OF TRIPS IN VEHICLES.

SO TRYING TO GET PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN WALK AND BIKE MORE OFTEN TO TRY TO REDUCE THAT SO YOU'RE NOT USING YOUR CAR.

YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO WALK TO THE BANK.

YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO WALK TO THE GROCERY STORE.

THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO ACTUALLY DRIVE TO WORK EVERY DAY.

THEN LOOKING AT CREATING THREE CAR FREE ZONES.

IN OTHER WORDS, GETTING AREAS TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY HOW YOU CAN CONGREGATE WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE YOUR PERSONAL VEHICLE.

SO YOU ACTUALLY TRY TO ISOLATE THAT.

SO WITHIN THAT AREA YOU HAVE MORE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, WHETHER IT BE WALKING, BIKING, SCOOTERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THE DECARBONIZATION OF PUBLIC AND SHARED TRANSPORTATION IS A TOUGH ONE, BUT THAT'S LOOKING AT THINGS BECAUSE BETWEEN THE SHARED TRANSPORTATION AND THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, THEY OPERATE ON A DAILY BASIS, WHEREAS ALL OF US AS INDIVIDUALS, WE MAY NOT USE OUR CAR EVERY DAY.

WE MAY NOT GO ANYWHERE ON THE WEEKENDS, WE MIGHT NOT GO DIFFERENT DAYS.

WHEREAS THAT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION TYPICALLY IS RUNNING ON A REGULAR RECURRING BASIS, WHICH IS WHY THEY'VE GOT A TIMELINE IN THERE TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE ON SWITCHING THAT FLEET. THE LAST ACTION.

HEAVY LIFT.

ELECTRIFIED PERSONAL VEHICLES.

AND THE GOAL HERE WOULD BE TO GET 60% OF NEW VEHICLE REGISTRATIONS, 60% BY 2030, AND 100% BY 2050.

TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE FOR YOU ALL.

CURRENTLY, WE HAVE JUST ABOUT 0.8% REGISTERED VEHICLES IN DENTON, AND WE'RE TRACKING ON TRACK WITH WHAT OTHER CITIES IN THE METROPLEX ARE DOING.

ROUGHLY SAME POPULATION, DIFFERENT DENSITIES.

THE SMALLER YOU GET, SOMETIMES THE PERCENTAGE GOES UP.

THE BIGGER YOU GET, SOMETIMES IT GOES DOWN.

BUT WE'RE RIGHT ON THAT AVERAGE.

SO IT'S A HEAVY LIFT.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE LIKE I SAID WE'LL JUST SAY 1%.

WE HAVE 1% CURRENTLY AND WE'RE LOOKING TO GET TO 60% BY 2030.

IS THE PROPOSED ACTION.

THIS ONE AGAIN.

IT'S THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. IT'S 15 MILLION TONS IF WE CHANGE THAT.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS.

CARS. WHEN ITS INDUSTRIAL COMBUSTION ENGINE.

INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE.

THEY DON'T RUN WITHOUT EMITTING.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, EVERY TIME YOU START IT, THE TAILPIPE HAS EXHAUST.

SO THAT'S WHY THIS GIVES YOU THE MOST RETURN FOR MAKING THAT CHANGE.

HOWEVER, AGAIN WE AS A CITY DON'T CONTROL THAT.

IT'S A HEAVY LIFT. IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF EDUCATION, A LOT OF CHANGE, EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF COVID.

IF YOU LOOK AT OUR OZONE NETWORK, IT DIDN'T GO ALL THE WAY DOWN EVEN WHEN TRANSPORTATION WAS DOWN.

BUT THIS IS A BIG LIFT TO HAVE IN THERE.

BEFORE I MOVE TO A SUMMER SLIDE AND ENGAGED FOR BACK AND FORTH CONVERSATION.

I JUST WANT TO THROW OUT SOME THINGS WE'RE ALREADY DOING JUST TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T FORGET WE'RE DOING POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENTS THROUGH DME.

THIS SHOWS YOU SOME HISTORICAL SAVINGS THEY HAVE, AND CURRENTLY, AS OF TODAY, WE ARE THE ONLY CITY IN TEXAS THAT HAS 100% RENEWABLE.

GREAT STRIDE. GREAT THING WE'VE DONE THERE.

THE GREEN SENSE CENTER PROGRAM.

WE'RE ALREADY PUTTING MORE MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS.

WE'RE TRYING TO HELP OUR RESIDENTS MAKE THE CHANGE TO BETTER ENERGY EFFICIENCY.

ALSO, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION OR ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

WE'RE TRYING TO HELP WITH THAT STING CURRENTLY HOME CHEMICAL COLLECTION AND YARD WASTE.

WE'RE DOING A GREAT JOB OF DIVERTING.

SOLID WASTE IS OUT THERE EVERY DAY TRYING TO ENSURE WE MAXIMIZE WHAT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO IN THE LANDFILL, OR MAXIMIZING OUR DIVERSION TO EXTEND THE LANDFILL LIFE.

OUR TREE CANOPIES OUT THERE IN THE URBAN FOREST MASTER PLAN.

IF WE CAN GET TO THOSE GOALS, THAT'S A GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT.

WE'VE ALREADY UPGRADED ALL OF OUR STREET LIGHTS, TRAFFIC LIGHTS, THINGS LIKE THAT TO LED, WHICH IS THE LOWEST ENERGY CONSUMPTION FOR THOSE NECESSARY TOOLS.

SO WITH THAT, HERE'S A SUMMARY OF ALL THE FOUR MAJOR SHIFTS.

THEIR EMISSION REDUCTIONS, THEIR COSTS.

THINGS LIKE THAT.

CATHERINE, DID YOU HAND OUT? AND AT EACH OF YOUR PLACE, YOU SHOULD HAVE A ONE PAGER THAT BASICALLY, JUST AS A REMINDER, IT'S A CHEAT SHEET, HAS ALL 15 ACTIONS ACROSS ALL FOUR MAJOR SHIFTS.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO STOP SHARING JUST IN CASE.

I DO HAVE MARIA BRAUN WITH SUSTAINABILITY SOLUTIONS GROUP ON ZOOM TO HELP WITH QUESTIONS AS WELL.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.

COUNCILWOMAN MELTZER. YEAH, I'VE GOT SEVERAL.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO JUST RUN THROUGH THEM OR KIND OF DO ONE AT A TIME? GOING AROUND. YEAH.

NO. GREAT. GREAT POINT.

YES. YOU CAN RUN THROUGH THEM.

LET'S LET'S TRY TO SAVE THE OPINING AND SUMMARY STATEMENTS RIGHT.

TO GET THROUGH THE QUESTIONS.

AND THEN PEOPLE CAN COME BACK AND MAKE A STATEMENT IF THEY WANT.

BUT AT LEAST WE CAN HIT THE QUESTIONS.

YOU HAD A FLOOR. THANK YOU.

SO EVERYTHING IS MEASURED IN TERMS OF THE CARBON IMPACT.

BUT AREN'T THERE OTHER ADAPTABILITY GOALS BECAUSE CLIMATE ACTION AND ADAPTABILITY AND ADAPTATION GOALS RELATED TO WATER, IT'S SUCH A TINY

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IMPACT, LIKE A MASSIVE CHANGE IN WATER USE IS SUCH A TINY IMPACT IN CARBON GOALS, BUT IT DOESN'T ACHIEVE OTHER ADAPTATION GOALS.

AND IS THERE ANOTHER METRIC OR SET OF METRICS WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT AS WELL? THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS YOU COULD REPRESENT THAT.

WE'VE FOCUSED MORE ON OUR CO2 EQUIVALENCY MEASURES FOR THAT.

BUT YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S RESILIENCY.

THERE'S HEALTH.

THERE'S LONG TERM.

I'LL LET MARIA MENTIONED AS SHE'S GIVING HER SECOND TO INGEST THAT QUESTION BEFORE.

MAYBE SHE CAN HELP ME ON THAT ONE.

ALL RIGHT. AND YOU WANT ME TO TEE UP OTHER QUESTIONS WHILE THINKING ABOUT IT, OR ARE YOU READY? OH. I'M READY. OKAY.

I'M LISTENING. YEAH, YOU COULD DEFINITELY GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON THE WHOLE ADAPTATION AND RESILIENCY SIDE, BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER WHOLE PERSPECTIVE TO BRING TO IT.

THIS PLAN FOCUSES ON IN THE GREATEST DETAIL ON THE MITIGATION SIDE, WHICH MEANS REDUCING YOUR EMISSIONS, BUT THE ADAPTATION AND RESILIENCY SIDE.

WE DID A LOT OF HIGH LEVEL ANALYSIS ABOUT WHAT THE MAJOR RISKS ARE FOR DENTON.

AND THEN WE DID WE IDENTIFIED THOSE ACTIONS ON THE MITIGATION SIDE THAT WOULD HAVE REALLY STRONG CO-BENEFITS ON THE ADAPTATION SIDE.

AND WE ALSO IDENTIFIED SOME ADDITIONAL HIGH LEVEL AREAS TO LOOK AT.

BUT YOU COULD DEFINITELY DO MORE WITH THAT.

WATER IS DEFINITELY ONE WHERE THERE ARE TREMENDOUS BENEFITS ON THE RESILIENCY SIDE, PROBABLY MORE THAN ON THE MITIGATION.

YEAH. AND THAT'S YOU KNOW, I MEAN, EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO ASK US TO KIND OF.

CHOOSE POTENTIALLY AMONG TARGETS.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT'S 0.1.

ANYWAY I'M GOING TO GO ON NOT OPINE.

TAKE THE MAYOR'S CAUTION THERE.

ANOTHER SORT OF MACRO QUESTION.

COULDN'T WE SHOULDN'T WE PUT DOLLARS AGAINST THE SPECIFIC TACTICS TO SEE HOW BOTH TO SEE THE ADD UP? I MEAN, YOU REALLY HAVE HOW MUCH IS NEEDED IN TOTAL.

AND TO COMPARE THAT TO RESOURCES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR SUSTAINABILITY, BUT ALSO TO MAXIMIZE THE IMPACT OF OUR FUNDS SO THAT WE PICK THINGS THAT GIVE THE MOST IMPACT FOR THE DOLLARS.

GO AHEAD. MARIA. ASSUMING YOU DON'T HAVE UNLIMITED FUNDS? YEAH, DEFINITELY.

YEAH. SO THE DETAILED INFORMATION THAT IS PROVIDED TO THE TEAM INCLUDES FINANCIAL EVALUATIONS AT MANY LEVELS.

SO IT'S BEEN BROKEN UP BY CAPITAL INVESTMENT THAT'S REQUIRED ENERGY COSTS, ENERGY SAVINGS, PERSONNEL INVESTMENTS AND SO ON.

AND THEN WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED FOR EACH ACTION THE TOTAL INVESTMENT OR RETURN PER TONNE OF EMISSIONS THAT YOU WOULD ELIMINATE.

SO THIS WILL GIVE YOU A WAY OF COMPARING AMONG THEM TO SEE WHICH ONES ARE THE MOST EFFICIENT EXPENDITURES OF YOUR DOLLARS.

BUT WE'D ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION NOT JUST THE FINANCIAL ASPECT OF IT, BUT ALSO THE OTHER BENEFITS OF THOSE ACTIONS.

WELL, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO, IN SOME ANALYTICAL WAY, IDENTIFY MOST IMPACT PER DOLLAR.

NOT THAT IT'S I WANT A FINANCIAL RETURN, I WANT TO.

DEPLOY THE RESOURCES EFFICIENTLY ANYWAY AND WITHIN THE PLAN, EACH ACTION AS YOU GO THROUGH THE PLAN AT THE FRONT OF THE PLAN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THERE'S TWO BULLETS UNDERNEATH IT THAT TALK ABOUT THE BENEFITS.

IT'LL SHOW THE EMISSIONS REDUCTION AS WELL AS THE COSTS.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE TACTIC LEVEL.

YES, YES. ALL RIGHT.

I WAS LOOKING AT IT AS AT THE AT THE 15 LEVEL, NOT THE FOUR LEVEL.

YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT.

WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THESE TACTICS AS HAVING IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER CONTRIBUTION THEY HAVE TO GLOBAL IMPACT? WOULD YOU SEE THEM AS HAVING LOCAL IMPACT, LOCAL IMPACT ON OUR CLIMATE, LOCAL IMPACT ON OUR HEAT ISLAND SYMPTOMS, LOCAL IMPACT ON OUR RESILIENCE, BECAUSE THAT'S A CONCERN THAT PEOPLE HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE ACTING JUST GLOBALLY OR IS THIS ARE WE ACTING LOCALLY? IT'LL BE BOTH, BUT I'LL LET MARIA EXPAND ON THAT BETTER.

ABSOLUTELY. YEAH.

AND IT WILL HAVE BENEFITS LOCALLY.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE VEHICLES AND THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, SWITCHING TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES WILL HAVE AN IMMEDIATE AND VERY EVIDENT IMPACT ON YOUR AIR QUALITY. IT'LL ALSO HAVE AN IMPACT ON YOUR NOISE LEVELS, YOUR CONGESTION IN TRAFFIC DOWNTOWN OR IN CONGESTED AREAS.

IT ALSO HAS IMPACTS ON BIODIVERSITY.

BIRDS ARE MORE LIKELY TO FLOURISH IN AREAS WITHOUT VEHICLE NOISE BECAUSE WHERE THERE'S VEHICLE NOISE, THEY CAN'T HEAR EACH OTHER AND THEY'VE BEEN SHOWN TO BE DISPERSING BECAUSE OF THAT. UM, IN TERMS OF ECONOMICS, THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF JOBS BEING CREATED OUT OF THIS.

I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR THE NUMBER, BUT WE HAVE THAT JOB CREATION NUMBER ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH EACH ACTION SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACT OF THAT AS WELL.

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BUT THERE WILL DEFINITELY BE LOCAL ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, QUALITY OF LIFE AND FINANCIAL BENEFITS TO THIS PLAN.

I THINK IT WILL HELP MEMBERS, AS WE GO THROUGH IN THE CONVERSATION TO SEE, YOU KNOW, TO UNDERSCORE THE LOCAL IMPACTS, DOES I DON'T SEE ANYTHING HERE ABOUT PRESERVATION OF GREEN SPACE IN TERMS OF AVOIDING HEAT ISLAND EFFECTS.

IS THAT WAS IT CONSIDERED CONSIDERED AND REJECTED OR.

NO, THIS THIS IS GO AHEAD.

NO, YOU GO AHEAD. SAY THIS IS FOCUSED ON MITIGATING THE ACTUAL EMISSIONS.

THE BACK PART TALKS TO HOW WE CAN USE GREEN SPACE AND DIFFERENT THINGS TO THEN POSSIBLY ABSORB OR REDUCE OR CHANGE THAT.

BUT THE PRIMARY FOCUS HERE IS TO TAKE WHAT I WOULD SUMMARIZE AS THE TAILPIPE OF DENTON, AND TRY TO GET THAT TAILPIPE TO BE ZERO.

NOT SAYING THAT THAT TAILPIPE IS GOING TO BE ABSORBED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

WE WERE LOOKING AT TRYING TO TAKE AWAY THE EMISSION ITSELF FIRST AND FOREMOST.

NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT UNDER URBAN FORM, BY BUILDING MORE COMPACT AREAS, GIVING THAT WALKABILITY IN A SENSE THAT DOES PRESERVE THAT GREEN SPACE, IT TIES INTO THAT.

BUT AS YOU COMPARE USES OF USES OF DOLLARS, ASSUMING THEY'RE NOT UNLIMITED, YOU KNOW, DID YOU EVALUATE EVERYTHING TAKES DOLLARS, RIGHT. SO PRESERVATION OF GREEN SPACE TAKES DOLLARS.

WORKING ON THE TAILPIPE TAKES DOLLARS.

WERE YOU AGAIN CONSCIOUSLY SAYING NOT THIS IS THE TAILPIPE ISSUES ARE MORE PRODUCTIVE TOWARD HER GOALS THAN THE THAN THE OTHER TYPE.

GREEN SPACE WOULD BE A PASSIVE WAY TO HELP TRY TO REDUCE THAT.

WE LOOKED AT A DIRECT WAY TO REDUCE THOSE EMISSIONS.

OKAY. AND I CAN CONFIRM THAT DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR YOU'LL BE GETTING MORE BENEFIT REDUCING SWITCHING OVER YOUR VEHICLES THAN BY PLANTING TREES. AND YOU ALSO HAVE INITIATIVES ALREADY UNDERWAY, VERY AGGRESSIVE INITIATIVES TO PRESERVE AND GROW YOUR GREEN SPACE.

SO WE DIDN'T THINK WE NEEDED TO PUSH THAT FURTHER.

OKAY, I TAKE THAT POINT.

I'VE ONLY GOT A COUPLE MORE. MAYOR.

HOW HOW DO THE VEHICLE ELECTRIFICATION GOALS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING BEFORE US TRACK VERSUS WHAT THE AUTO AND TRUCK INDUSTRY FORECAST WILL BE THE GENERAL ADOPTION? IS THIS IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS.

HALF GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY OR NOT NEARLY HALF OR OR IS THAT KIND OF THE TREND ANYWAY? HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE CURVE? I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER TO SAY.

HOW MUCH TO CHANGE THAT CURVE.

I WOULD SAY IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT AUTO MANUFACTURERS ARE DOING, DIFFERENT CHANGES, THE EV ADOPTION IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE VIABLE.

HOWEVER, CURRENTLY THERE'S STILL SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT COG IS TRYING TO MODEL THAT OUT, TO LOOK DIFFERENTLY ON HOW THAT GROWTH WILL ACTUALLY BE, THEY'RE TRYING TO REVISE THEIR NUMBERS.

THEY DON'T QUITE HAVE THAT YET.

THERE'S ALSO A DISCUSSION AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL TRYING TO GET TO EVEN CLEANER TAILPIPE EMISSIONS.

AND PART OF THAT IS BY HAVING YOUR PART OF YOUR FLEET BE EV.

SO YOU SHOW THAT PERCENTAGE TO REDUCE YOUR OVERALL IMPACT.

AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING UP AS WELL.

SO I CAN GET BACK TO YOU WITH MORE OF SPECIFICS ON THAT, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I'M SORRY. I THINK IT WOULD HELP, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SIZE, HOW MUCH OF A LIFT IT IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LIFT NECESSARILY VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE STATUS OF TODAY. IT'S A LIFT VERSUS WHAT THE CURVE WOULD BE WITHOUT ANY OTHER ACTIONS.

I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT THE ACTIONS WOULD BE TO ACHIEVE THAT.

AND LAST AREA HERE FOR ME, FOR THE MOMENT, HOW DOES THIS ALWAYS A PERPLEXING THING ABOUT THE LOCAL RENEWABLE ENERGY GENERATION? HOW DOES INCREASING LOCAL GENERATION WHEN WE'RE BUYING RENEWABLE CONTRACTS, HOW DOES THAT HELP AND WHY IS IT SUCH A SMALL CONTRIBUTOR? GO AHEAD. MARIO. SORRY.

I'M LOOKING AT YOU AND YOU CAN'T SEE ME.

I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S OKAY.

YES. THAT IS.

THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

UM, IT IT HELPS YOUR COMMUNITY IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.

SO FIRST OF ALL, UM, IT LOCALIZES THE ENERGY SOURCE.

AND THAT MEANS THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE USING ENERGY THAT'S PRODUCED ON THEIR ROOFTOP, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH SOLAR PANELS, DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE THAT ELECTRICITY PASSED ANY DISTANCE. AND 10% OF THAT ELECTRICITY LOST IN THE TRANSMISSION PROCESS, WHICH IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH.

SO YOU'RE BEING MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT.

SECONDLY, OUR MODELING PAIRED EVERY SOLAR INSTALLATION WITH ENERGY STORAGE.

SO EACH BUILDING THAT WOULD HAVE SOLAR WOULD ALSO HAVE ENERGY STORAGE.

AND THAT WOULD MEAN THAT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE SOME RESILIENCE WHEN THE GRID GOES DOWN.

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OR IF SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT CAUSES YOU TO HAVE IN, IN OR POWER DROPS FOR ANY PARTICULAR REASON, ANY PLACE WHERE THERE IS LOCAL ELECTRICITY, YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT POWER RUNNING.

SO IT ALSO PROVIDES YOU WITH THAT KIND OF BACKUP IF YOU WANT TO INCENTIVIZE STORAGE AS WELL, WHICH COULD SHIFT USAGE OF RENEWABLES OFF OFF THE PEAK OF WHEN THEY'RE GENERATED.

YES, YES.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR LETTING ME GO THROUGH ALL THAT, MAYOR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT FOR NOW. THANKS.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN BYRD, THEN MAYOR PRO TEM.

YOU ALL WERE MENTIONING SOMETHING ABOUT WAREHOUSES, AND IN MY HEAD, I'M THINKING WAREHOUSES.

LIKE THOSE BIG GIANT WAREHOUSES OUT THERE ON 35 OFF OF, YOU KNOW, IN THAT WESTERN STREET AREA, YOU KNOW, THE LARGE WAREHOUSES.

THERE ARE THOSE TYPES OF WAREHOUSES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU SAY WAREHOUSES.

SHE'S ASKING ABOUT THE ACTION ON THE BILL CO-LOCATING OR PUTTING WAREHOUSES NEAR WASTE HEAT SOURCES.

YEAH. AND JUST TO PUT IN PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT YOUR WHAT WE WERE INTENDING BY THE WAREHOUSES.

YEAH, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THOSE PARTICULAR EXAMPLES, BUT YES, GENERAL WAREHOUSE SPACE IS IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING OF IN GENERAL.

THEY THEY REQUIRE SORT OF A LOW GRADE HEAT REQUIREMENT.

IT ISN'T GENERALLY AS SENSITIVE AS WHERE PEOPLE WORK OR LIVE.

AND SO THEY'RE MORE FLEXIBLE IN, IN THE SOURCES OF HEAT THAT YOU CAN USE FOR THOSE FACILITIES.

I GUESS I'M TALKING ABOUT 300,000 SQUARE FOOT TYPE MONSTROSITY LIKE WE HAVE COMING UP VERSUS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 20,000, 50,000FT² TYPE WAREHOUSE WITH IT.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? THEY WOULD ALL BE INCLUDED.

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INSIDE OF.

IN ON IN.

THAT'S NOT IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREA.

THOSE LARGE INDUSTRIAL TYPE WAREHOUSES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEWHERE MIXED IN SIDE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.

OR IS THAT WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WAREHOUSE? WHAT WE MODELED WAS NEW ANY, NEW WAREHOUSES THAT WOULD BE BUILT FROM, I BELIEVE, 2025 ON.

WE WOULD BE POSITIONING THOSE.

YOU'D BE USING ZONING REGULATIONS AND SO ON TO POSITION THOSE WHEREVER POSSIBLE, NEXT TO INDUSTRIAL OR DATA CENTER WASTE HEAT, AND THEN DIRECTING THE WASTE HEAT FROM THOSE FACILITIES THAT ARE RIGHT CLOSE BY.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

I THINK I HAVE MY ANSWER FOR THAT.

AND I CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE MY COUNCIL MEMBER HERE TO MY RIGHT FOR TALKING ABOUT THE RETURN.

SO I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RETURN AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IT COULD BE FINANCIAL.

IT COULD BE SAVINGS.

HOW DO WE SEE THOSE KIND OF SAVINGS? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT THAT WORK FOR A LAYPERSON LIKE ME THAT HE MAY HAVE EVEN ASKED THIS QUESTION, HOW DO WE SEE THAT IT'S SAVING? AND WHEN WE'RE SAVING THE COST OF RETURN, WHERE DOES THAT GO BACK TO? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S LITERAL, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST OUT IN THE ATMOSPHERE THAT THE GENERAL, OUR GENERAL LEDGER CAN SHOW THAT WE'RE SAVING ON SOMETHING? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR AN AVERAGE, AVERAGE INDIVIDUAL LIKE ME THAT WANTS TO KNOW YOU'RE USING A TERM SIMILAR TO I HAVE DISCUSSIONS IN MY FAMILY ON SOMETIMES SAVINGS MEANS NOT SPENDING, AND IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

SAVINGS TO ME MEANS THEY PUT IN A SAVINGS ACCOUNT.

HERE. WE'RE MEANING THAT YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY HAVING TO SPEND THAT EITHER.

SO PART OF THOSE SAVINGS WOULD BE REDUCED ENERGY COSTS.

SO YOUR ENERGY BILL MAY DROP OR EVS THE MAINTENANCE COST IS LESS.

THE FUELING COST RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT AVERAGE DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE.

IF YOU COMPARE THE TWO, THEY'RE NOT QUITE CHEAPER IN THIS AREA.

SOME PARTS IT'S STILL A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE.

THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND I BELIEVE DID WE DO ANYTHING WITH PROPERTY VALUE AS FAR AS THE RETURN ON THE VALUE? WE DID NOT INCLUDE THAT.

OKAY. WE DID NOT INCLUDE ACTUAL PROPERTY INCREASE.

WE ONLY LOOKED AT THE SAVINGS ON THE REDUCTION OF WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE OUT OF YOUR POCKET BOOK.

OKAY, I THINK THOSE WERE THE ONLY TWO THAT I HAVE FOR NOW.

RETURN. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, I APPRECIATE IT.

MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO. SO IF I CAN, I CAN FLIP COUNCILOR BIRD'S QUESTION.

IT'S $4 BILLION.

IF WE DO NOTHING IN ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT WE CAN EXPECT TO ACCRUE BY NOT TAKING SOME OF THESE STEPS, IF IF WE DO THE BUSINESS AS PLANNED KIND OF APPROACH,

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IS THAT REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE 4 BILLION IN ADDITIONAL COSTS.

I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD PUT IT THAT WAY, BECAUSE UNDER THE BUSINESSES PLANNED, YOU WOULDN'T INVEST ADDITIONAL MONEY TO GET A RETURN IN EFFICIENCY NECESSARILY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD SAY THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL $4 MILLION BURDEN IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING.

SO SO I GUESS WHAT IS THE THAT WOULD BE A FUTURE QUESTION IF WE COULD GET WHAT IS WHAT IS THE THE THE DRAWBACK.

WHAT ARE THE EXPECTED COSTS IF WE DO NOTHING AND HOW MUCH WILL THAT COST US IN THE LONG TERM TO, TO TO TAKE NO STEPS AT ALL? I THINK THERE'S WILL TO DO THAT.

BUT IF SHE HAS A NUMBER, I THINK.

GO AHEAD MARIA. I CAN GIVE YOU A PRELIMINARY ANSWER TO THAT.

THE WORLD MONETARY FUND HAS DONE SOME ESTIMATES ON THAT, AND THEY ESTIMATE THAT THE COST OF DOING NOTHING WILL BE BETWEEN 5 AND 8 TIMES BUSINESSES, NORMAL COSTS.

SO IT WILL BE FAR HIGHER THAN TAKING ACTION NOW AND EXPERIENCING THE BENEFITS THAT WE'RE DESCRIBING THERE.

SO THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT THAT YOU MAKE.

BUSINESS AS USUAL WILL BE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE DUE TO THE IMPACTS OF THE CHANGING CLIMATE AND THE UNPREDICTABILITY OF ENERGY PRICES AND RISING ENERGY PRICES.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S PART OF IT.

AND THEN I GUESS SIMILAR TO COUNCILOR MELTZER WHERE AND I LIKE THAT WE'VE TRIED TO PUT ALMOST EVERYTHING EITHER INTO ECO2 OR DOLLAR EQUIVALENCY.

BUT I LET ME CONFIRM THE MAJORITY OF THE OF THE.

DOLLAR EQUIVALENCY WAS FROM EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS.

IS THAT WHERE THE THE BULK OF THAT WAS COMING FROM? IN TERMS OF THE DOLLARS IN REVENUES AND SAVINGS.

FOR EVERYTHING BUT THE ENERGY.

I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION.

I'M SORRY. SO THESE ARE EMISSION REDUCTIONS AND THE THE COSTS AND AND POTENTIAL REVENUE AND SAVINGS FOR EMISSION REDUCTIONS, BUT IS NOT INCLUDING OTHER THINGS LIKE.

AND I'LL USE AN EXAMPLE TO MAKE MY POINT HERE.

THERE'S NOT OTHER OTHER SYNERGIES.

SO FOR INSTANCE WATER AND WASTEWATER HAVE BEEN TALKING TO US ABOUT CONSERVATION, NOT FROM A SUSTAINABILITY STANDPOINT, BUT FROM A WATER MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT IN TERMS OF HOW SOON DO WE HAVE TO EXPAND OUR LAKE OR BUILD A NEW SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT? THAT'S JUST STANDARD BUSINESS MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS IMPROVED BY USING LESS WATER.

ARE THOSE SAVINGS IN HERE, OR IS THIS ALL JUST CO2 AND EMISSION REDUCTIONS BENEFITS? NO, SOME OF THOSE SAVINGS ARE IN HERE.

ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF SAVINGS THAT WOULD BE ACHIEVED AS A RESULT OF THE ACTIONS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

FOR EXAMPLE, UM, WHEN YOU SWITCH TO, I'LL TAKE AN EXAMPLE THAT YOU'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY COMPLETED IN YOUR CITY, WHEN YOU SWITCH TO LEDS IN SPORTS FIELDS, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU GO FROM HAVING TO REPLACE THOSE SPORTS FIELD LIGHTS EVERY FOUR YEARS TO HAVING TO REPLACE THEM EVERY 16 YEARS.

AND SO OPERATIONALLY, THAT IS A HUGE SAVINGS IN SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE THOSE MASSIVE LIGHTS THAT ARE REALLY EXPENSIVE.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE CAPITAL COST SAVINGS AS A RESULT OF THAT.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING OF? YES, EXACTLY.

AND ARE THOSE IN THESE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE TABLES OKAY.

YES. ANYTHING THAT COULD BE REFLECTED LIKE THAT IN WITHIN THE MODELING, LIKE NOT HAVING TO REPLACE YOUR FURNACES OFTEN BECAUSE YOU'RE USING A HEAT PUMP AND THEY LAST LONGER, THAT IS INCORPORATED. YES.

OKAY. AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS ON.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE THE LOGISTICS POTENTIALLY SWITCHING TO HYDROGEN AS A FUEL.

IS THAT NUMBER THE SAME IF IF THE MARKET ENDS UP GOING ELECTRIC OR, OR SOME OTHER TECHNOLOGY FOR ALTERNATIVE FUELS FROM GASOLINE AND DIESEL OR I MEAN, IS HYDROGEN GOING TO BE THE SAME AS IF WE HAD ELECTRIC SEMIS OR, OR IS IT SPECIFIC TO GOING TO A HYDROGEN INFRASTRUCTURE? IT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR IF FOR VEHICLES THAT GO TO A HYDROGEN BASED FUEL SYSTEM.

AND THAT IS THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST CURRENTLY THOUGHT TO BE THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO FOR FREIGHT HAULING, FOR TRUCK HAULING, ALTHOUGH SOME PEOPLE ARE ADVOCATING FOR ELECTRIC.

SO THAT DECISION ISN'T FULLY MADE YET, BUT BECAUSE IT WAS LEANING THAT DIRECTION, THAT'S WHAT WE MODELED FOR YOU.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SO TO ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE MORE SO IF HYDROGEN DOESN'T COME TO FRUITION.

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YES. AND EVERYTHING WENT TO ELECTRIC, WE WOULD ADJUST THIS PLAN, MODIFY IT TO SHOW THAT AND REFLECT THAT THOSE ADDITIONAL REDUCTIONS WOULD THEN BE SHOWN UNDER THE ELECTRIFICATION ACTION, NOT THE HYDROGEN ACTION.

OKAY. NO, THAT MAKES SENSE.

DO WE HAVE A ROUGH FEEL FOR.

WELL, NO, I WON'T GO THERE.

I'LL LET THE I'LL LET THE FUTURE BE WHAT IT IS.

AND AND I THINK I READ BUT AND I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THE THE THE CLIMATE TEMPERATURE SWINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE PROJECTED TO OCCUR OR HAVE BEEN BUILT INTO THIS MODEL IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL LOAD ON HVAC AND AND YES, THE ADDITIONAL TEMPERATURE IS REFLECTED BOTH IN THE BUSINESS AS PLANNED AS WELL AS THE LOW CARBON. OKAY, SO THAT'S A FAIR COMPARISON THEN, BECAUSE WE'VE INCLUDED THE TEMPERATURE MODELING IN THAT.

OKAY. AND THEN.

UM, SO, NO, I THINK THAT THAT I THINK THE COUNSELOR MELTZER ANSWERED THAT AND COUNSELOR BYRD ASKED THAT.

SO NO, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW, MR. MAYOR. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND, THANK YOU.

I'M WONDERING WHAT KIND OF CHANGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK JOHN.

Q PUBLIC TO MAKE DAY TO DAY.

I GET I GET ELECTRIC CARS, BUT BUT WHAT OTHER KIND OF THINGS ARE WE GOING TO ARE WE GOING TO ASK.

WALKING, BIKING, ENERGY EFFICIENCY IN THEIR OWN HOME, TRYING TO TAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES, TO GET US TO THE OVERALL GOAL OF REACHING THE EFFICIENCY FOR ALL BUILDINGS ACROSS DENTON.

SO THAT WOULD BE INVESTING IT ALSO BE ENGAGED IN WATER CONSERVATION, ADJUSTING HOW THEY DO THINGS, MAYBE EVEN ADDITIONALLY WITHIN TREE PLANTINGS, PLANTINGS CAN ACTUALLY GIVE US GREEN SPACE COOLING EFFECTS AS WELL AS SHADING OF STRUCTURES TO MAKE THEM MORE EFFICIENT.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT SMALL ACTIONS THAT EACH ONE OF THEM WILL BE ASKED TO ENGAGE IN TO PROGRESS THIS PLAN.

I'VE HEARD ABOUT THE THE EXPENSE AND DIFFICULTY OF DISPOSAL OF OF OF BATTERIES AND I GUESS OTHER ELECTRICAL KIND OF THINGS.

WHAT HOW BIG A FACTOR IS THAT? WHAT? ON BATTERY RECYCLING IN THE US RIGHT NOW FOR CERTAIN BATTERIES.

WE DON'T HAVE THE RECYCLING HERE.

IT'S GOING OVERSEAS CURRENTLY AS THE SHIFT GOES TO MORE AND MORE EV, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK THAT MARKET WILL END UP.

IT'S PROJECTED TO PICK UP AND BE ABLE TO BE DONE ON US SOIL TO MAKE BETTER USE OF THOSE BATTERIES HERE AND PUT THEM BACK INTO REUSE.

CURRENTLY, IT'S REALLY NOT THERE.

IT'S JUST NOT. IT'S JUST LIKE WITHIN SOLID WASTE.

CURRENTLY, WE DON'T HAVE A LOCAL GLASS RECYCLER, SO WE HAVE TO SHIP IT SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GET THAT GLASS TO BE PROPERLY HANDLED.

AND IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH, RIGHT? IT'S NOT GOING TO BE UNTIL IT'S COMMERCIALLY VIABLE.

CORRECT? OKAY.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER. WHAT'S. MY FIRST QUESTION IS DURING YOUR PRESENTATION.

FIRST OF ALL, APPRECIATE THE WORK IN THE PLAN.

I'VE READ MOST OF THE PLAN DRAFT.

WHEN YOU SAY HEAVY LIFT, I GUESS MY QUESTION SORT OF DOVETAILS TO COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLINS.

MY FIRST READ OF THIS WAS THESE ARE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO PASS AS POLICY.

SO WHEN I READ ABOUT WE WANT 60% OF PEOPLE TO HAVE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, THEN WHAT WE'RE SAYING, I SAW YOU SHAKE YOUR HEAD.

NO. THEN WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO PASS A POLICY THAT 60% OF THE REGISTRATIONS HAVE TO BE ELECTRIC.

IS THAT THAT WOULD BE ACCURATE.

WE WOULD BE DOING THE CITY MAY BE TAKING MEASURES TO ENCOURAGE THAT, OF COURSE, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE MANDATING THAT.

SO THE SAME WOULD THEN APPLY TO RENOVATION.

I THINK I READ IN THE PLAN THAT IT SAID STARTING IN 2025.

SO FIRST OF ALL, RENOVATION OF BUILDINGS.

IS THAT JUST RESTRICTED TO THE MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS OR IS THAT ALSO ENCOMPASS ALL THE PRIVATELY OWNED BUILDINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL? THE ACTION AS LISTED WOULD ENCOMPASS COMMUNITY WIDE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO THEN ON THE PLAN AND ACTION THREE PAGE 43 OF THE PLAN SAYS TO RENOVATE ALL EXISTING BUILDINGS TO REDUCE REQUIRED ELECTRICITY BY 25% AND 30 THERMAL LOAD BY 60% BEGINNING IN 2025, WHICH IS ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW, A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AND A QUARTER BEGINNING IN 2025, AND RETROFIT 5% OF EXISTING BUILDINGS EACH YEAR, SUCH THAT BY 2045, 100% OF EXISTING BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN RETROFITTED TO THIS STANDARD.

SO BASED UPON WHAT YOU SAID IN YOUR EARLIER ANSWER, THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT.

FROM THE CITY, REQUIRING EXISTING BUILDINGS TO GO IN AND RETROFIT, HOWEVER COSTLY THAT COULD BE.

SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE POSITION OF THIS PLAN IN REGARDS TO POLICY MAKING AND BASICALLY THE ACTIONS THAT ARE BEING SUGGESTED? WHERE'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THIS COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE ASKING THE COMMUNITY TO DO VOLUNTARILY, OR WHAT THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE SAYING?

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YOU HAVE NO CHOICE.

YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, WHICH ALSO IS US TELLING THEM YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND CERTAIN MONEY THAT YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE SPENT BEFORE.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A BASE OF THAT UNDERSTANDING TO TO GO BACK THROUGH THIS PLAN AND READ WITH THAT NEW KIND OF UNDERSTANDING.

RIGHT, RIGHT. THE SHORT ANSWER ON THAT WOULD BE IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A BLEND.

SO WE MAY ACTUALLY HAVE TO ENCOURAGE CERTAIN ELECTRICAL STANDARDS OR ENERGY EFFICIENCY GREATER.

WE MAY HAVE TO PUT THAT INTO OUR CODE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

BUT WITHIN THAT AS WELL WE'LL BE LOOKING AT FEDERAL AND STATE INCENTIVES, REBATES, OTHER PROGRAMS TO HELP OFFSET THAT.

SO THE GOAL SAYS TO START IT IN THAT YEAR.

THAT MEANS IF SOMETHING GETS RENOVATED THAT YEAR AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, WE HAVEN'T WORKED ALL THIS THROUGH WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES YET.

ON WHAT THAT WOULD BE KIND OF LIKE ADA, FOR EXAMPLE, ADA TRIGGERS, IF YOU DO A CERTAIN THRESHOLD HERE, IT MAY TRIGGER AGAIN, IF WE DO A LOCAL MANDATE, IT MAY ONLY TRIGGER IF YOU GO OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

AND THEN WE TRY TO FIND A WAY TO HELP OFFSET THAT CUMULATIVE GROWTH IMPACT OF MEETING THAT NEWER, HIGHER STANDARD, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT OUR GREEN SENSE INCENTIVE PROGRAM DOES FOR OUR HOMEOWNERS. WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM TO GO HIGHER.

SURE. AND WE HELP OFFSET THAT.

THAT'S RIGHT. AND THAT'S I MEAN, WE HAVE OUR REQUIREMENTS OF THE INTERNATIONAL ENERGY CODE WHEN YOU'RE EITHER BUILDING NEW CONSTRUCTION OR YOU'RE REMODELING TO A CERTAIN THRESHOLD OR CERTAIN COMPONENTS, WINDOWS, YOU'VE GOT TO GO UP TO THE NEW ENERGY CODE, HVAC EQUIPMENT, YOU'VE GOT TO GO UP TO THE ENERGY CODE.

YOU EXPOSE THAT DOOR CAVITIES, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN INSULATION, YOU EXPOSE FLOOR CAVITIES, YOU HAVE TO PUT INSULATION.

BUT THIS SAYS, AND WHAT I UNDERSTOOD YOUR ANSWER TO SAY IS IN 2025, WE MIGHT ADD SOME ADDITIONAL STANDARDS TO OUR ORDINANCES MOVING FORWARD.

FOR PEOPLE WHO COME IN AND PUT A PERMIT IN, PEOPLE WHO COME IN AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO RENOVATE THE BUILDING.

THIS IS BEGINNING IN 20 AND RETROFIT 50% OF EXISTING BUILDINGS EACH YEAR.

THAT DOESN'T SAY PEOPLE WHO COME IN DOESN'T SAY PEOPLE.

WHO IS IT, 50 OR 5? 5%, I'M SORRY, 5% OF BUILDINGS EACH YEAR.

BUT I DOUBT VERY SERIOUSLY 5% OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS IN THIS CITY COME IN FOR REHABILITATION, SO DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT NOW.

IT NEEDS SOME CLARITY ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S IN BUILDINGS.

NOW IT SAYS BUILDINGS.

I'M ASSUMING THAT DOESN'T MEAN RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES.

IT JUST SAYS BUILDINGS.

CORRECT? YEAH.

SO IT IS CORRECT, ISN'T IT, MARIA.

BECAUSE WE HAVE A SEPARATE ACTION FOR IT INCLUDES ALL OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE CITY.

YES. SO THAT INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO I'M TRYING REAL HARD TO BE DIPLOMATIC HERE ON THIS PLAN.

I APPRECIATE THE ASPIRATIONAL NATURE OF IT BECAUSE THEN IN ACTION TWO IT SAYS REQUIRE THAT BY 2028, NEW SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES AND ALL NEW NON RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS MEET A VERY HIGH ENERGY INTENSITY STANDARD, WHICH I'M ASSUMING THAT MEANS GOING BEYOND WHAT THE CURRENT WHATEVER ENERGY CODE MAY BE AT THAT TIME.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING EVERYBODY TO DO MORE THAN WHAT THE INTERNATIONAL ENERGY CODE IS ASKING US TO DO, WHICH WHEN I READ IN THE VERY EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THIS PLAN, IT TALKS ABOUT I CAN'T GET TO IT.

I MEAN, I'VE GOT TO GET OUT OF IT, TALKS ABOUT THE BENEFITS ARE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MORE.

I'M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, YOU START ADDING ALL THESE REQUIREMENTS.

WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST TAKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WALK IT OUT TO THE CITY LIMITS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO THE LAST THING I WANT TO BRING UP, SO THIS PLAN TO ME HAS A LOT OF AMBIGUITIES OR ASPIRATIONS THAT THIS COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO WORK REAL HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE ASKING THE COMMUNITY TO IMPLEMENT VOLUNTARILY, LIKE WITH VEHICLES, VEHICLES BEING OVER 50% OF THE TARGETED REDUCTION.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONVINCE EVERYBODY TO HAVE 60% OF THE PEOPLE BY THAT TIMEFRAME TO BUY ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME THEY GET LONGER RANGES, HOPEFULLY WE HAVE MORE ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE ASPIRATIONAL NATURE, BUT THERE ARE SOME PRETTY CONCRETE STATEMENTS IN HERE THAT AND ONE OF THEM IS HERE'S ACTION.

ONE SHIFT TO A MORE COMPACT RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.

WE'VE ALL HEARD ONE OF THE MAIN GOALS THAT WE WANT TO ALWAYS MAINTAIN AS POLICY MAKERS, WHETHER IT'S US, PAST FUTURE COUNCILS, WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE FEEL OF DENTON.

WE WANT TO ATTAIN THE OLD KIND OF DENTON KIND OF FEEL.

EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT DEFINITION FOR THEMSELVES AND THE COMMUNITY.

WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN.

I DON'T THINK IT MEANS THIS.

IT SAYS IMPLEMENTATION, IMPLEMENTATION STARTING IN YEAR 2025.

IN LOW RESIDENTIAL ZONES NOW I SEE I THOUGHT I SAW SCOTT MCDONALD AROUND HERE SOMEWHERE.

OH THERE HE'S IN THE BACK.

SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE HAVE CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY THAT ARE LABELED AS LOW RESIDENTIAL OR RURAL OR THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

SO IN LOW RESIDENTIAL ZONES AT LEAST, THIS IS ON PAGE 41 OF THE PLAN.

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THE DRAFT PLAN, AT LEAST 50% OF NEW DWELLINGS.

WILL BE APARTMENTS.

NOW SOME IN HERE.

THAT'S OKAY.

SOME IN THE COMMUNITY.

WHEN THEY HEAR THAT, YOU WILL HEAR A COLLECTIVE OUTCRY.

50% OF NEW RESIDENTIAL NEW DWELLINGS WILL BE APARTMENTS.

NO MORE THAN 50% OF NEW DWELLINGS WILL BE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.

OKAY IN DOWNTOWN ZONES.

NEW DWELLINGS WILL ALL BE APARTMENTS IN COMMUNITY, MIXED USE MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY, MODERATE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, SLASH UNIVERSITY AND REGIONAL MIXED USE ZONES. AT LEAST 70%.

A NEW DWELLINGS WILL BE APARTMENTS, AND NO MORE THAN 30% WILL BE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.

SO I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE FOR US AND WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES AND STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT, THIS THIS SORT OF LOOKS SORT OF TUNNEL VISION ON ONE ISSUE OF OUR CITY AND THAT IS THIS CLIMATE IMPACT.

BUT IT HAS ALL THE OTHER RAMIFICATIONS OF ALSO HOW DO WE WANT OUR CITY TO DEVELOP.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D FIND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SAY THEY WANT ALL OF OUR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT MOVING FORWARD IN 2025, WHICH IS A YEAR FROM NOW, 50% OF IT TO BE APARTMENTS.

SO IF YOU'VE GOT 1000 RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN PLANNED, YOU'VE GOT TO CUT THAT DOWN TO 500 AND BUILD ANOTHER 1 OR 2 APARTMENT BUILDINGS.

SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING AT A HIGH ELEVATION HERE, WHICH IS OKAY, THAT'S WHAT THIS PLAN IS, BUT IT ALSO HAS SOME VERY MUCH IN THE WEEDS, VERY POLICY DRIVEN RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I THINK HAVE HUGE RAMIFICATIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMUNITY IS AWARE.

I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, BUT WHEN YOU START TELLING EVERY BUILDING OWNER IN THE CITY, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL RENTAL, YOU'VE GOT TO RETROFIT YOUR BUILDING TO BE MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT, WHATEVER THAT MEANS.

YEAH, THAT'S NOT A HEAVY LIFT.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD CALL THAT, BUT THAT'S TRYING TO MOVE THE ROCK OF GIBRALTAR.

I MEAN, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND MOVING FORWARD WHAT THIS PLAN IS GOING TO BE USED FOR WHEN IT COMES TO POLICY MAKING. SO I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THERE, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY WHAT I'M HEARING THERE THEN IS THERE ARE SOME ACTIONS, ACTIONS THAT ARE CLEARLY DIFFICULT TO GET BEHIND. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TRY TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON.

SO IF THERE IS THINGS THAT ARE REALLY CHALLENGING, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT.

SO AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON FRIDAY AS WELL, WITH THIS SAME DRAFT DOCUMENT TO WORK THROUGH THAT.

SOME OF THOSE MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONED HOW WE IMPLEMENT THINGS AS WELL.

THERE'S BEEN BACK AND FORTH ON THAT, AND THEY HAVE NOT SEEN THIS FINAL DOCUMENT YET JUST DUE TO TIMING.

WE'RE GOING TO THEM AFTER Y'ALL, UNFORTUNATELY.

BUT SO IF THOSE ARE WHAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM AROUND THE TABLE IS WHICH ONES ARE THE PRESENT THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE OR JUST DON'T MAKE THE MOST SENSE? I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM A COMMUNITY WIDE PERSPECTIVE.

I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, BUT WHEN YOU START.

MY FIRST QUESTION, WHETHER IT'S THE COMMITTEE YOU'RE FIXING TO GO TO OR WHAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE AT THE DAIS, IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HEAVY LIFT, HOW MUCH OF THIS IS VOLUNTARY AND HOW MUCH OF THIS IS REGULATORY FROM THE CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST, SOME WOULD SAY, PROGRESSIVE AND INNOVATIVE APPROACHES TO CITY DEVELOPMENT FROM A CLIMATE PERSPECTIVE.

AND SOME WOULD SAY IT'S THE MOST RESTRICTIVE, IT'S THE MOST CONSTRAINING AND AND CREATES LESS AFFORDABILITY IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THE COST.

SO I'M NOT SAYING TO ME, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR ME.

I'M SAYING WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE.

ON IF YOU HAD A MICROPHONE OUT ON THE STREET AND YOU SAID, HEY, 50% OF ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY RESIDENTIAL ARE GOING TO BE APARTMENTS.

IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING. AND IF YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO PUT IN A SPRINKLER SYSTEM, NEW INSULATION, NEW HVAC, NEW WINDOWS, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AT YOUR COST. THEN THAT'S WHAT I DON'T GET HERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WHAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BOUNDARY IS BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE COMMUNITY TO DO VOLUNTARILY THROUGH EDUCATIONAL EFFORTS, OR WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS GOING TO COME A POINT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A DECISION AND PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS.

SO, I DON'T KNOW.

I CAN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WITHOUT THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

OKAY. WHAT I WOULD SAY THERE THEN A LITTLE BIT IS WE'VE SET THE GOAL AS A COMMUNITY, THE AGGRESSIVE GOAL TO GET TO 0% BY 2050.

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THIS PLAN SAYS WE CAN GET CLOSE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ALL THE WAY THERE.

SO THE QUESTION THAT GOES BACK THEN IS THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S IN THE END OF THIS DOCUMENT AS WELL.

IF WE WANT TO SHIFT THOSE TARGETS OR WE'RE COMFORTABLE THAT WE MAY NOT MEET THOSE, THAT'S HOW WE THEN COME DOWN WITH THIS.

IF OUR SERIOUSNESS, OUR FOCUS IS TO TRY TO GET TO A CERTAIN NUMBER, WE MAY HAVE TO MANDATE CERTAIN THINGS.

IF OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE AND SEE HOW THINGS GO ON AND SEE WHERE WE PROGRESS IN 5 TO 7 YEARS AND RELOOK AT THIS, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL.

THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRACK AND REPORT ON.

SO IT'S UP TO YOU ALL AS A BODY TO DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO POLICY OUT OF THIS, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO ENCOURAGEMENT, HOW THAT WILL BE DONE.

IF YOU IT'S A FINE LINE ON BOTH ON WHERE YOU END UP AT THE END.

AND I GET THAT VERY CLEARLY.

SO WE'RE NOT DRIVING THE POLICY PER SE.

WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'VE MODELED.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE FEEL HAVE THE MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK, AND WILL PROGRESS THIS FURTHEST ALONG TO REACH THAT OVERALL TARGET OF NET ZERO BY 2050.

AND MAYOR ONE. ONE LAST QUESTION IF I COULD.

YES, THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION FOR HEAT PUMPS.

I DID SOME RESEARCH ON HEAT PUMPS.

AND HEAT PUMPS WORK ALMOST IN SORT OF YOUR MOST COMFORTABLE ZONES OF TEMPERATURE.

WHEN YOU START GETTING OVER 80, 90, 100 DEGREES OUTSIDE, HEAT PUMPS ARE DIFFICULT AND THEY ALSO ARE LESS EFFICIENT WHEN YOU START GETTING DOWN BELOW 40 DEGREES OR 35 DEGREES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, HEAT PUMPS BECOME EVEN MORE INEFFICIENT AND YOU HAVE TO USE YOUR EMERGENCY HEAT STRIPS.

SO I UNDERSTAND HEAT PUMPS AND HOW THEY WORK.

BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO CERTAIN TYPES OF CLIMATE ENVIRONMENTS WHERE IS THERE ADDITIONAL COST AND THEIR SUPPOSED EFFICIENCY, LIKE AIR CONDITIONERS AND HEAT PUMPS.

THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO. THEY'RE NOT THEY DON'T HAVE TO COOL DOWN YOUR INTERIOR ROOM TEMPERATURE BELOW 20 DEGREES OF THE AMBIENT TEMPERATURE.

I MEAN, IF IT'S 100 DEGREES OUTSIDE, IF YOU GET DOWN TO 80, YOU'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD.

INDUSTRY STANDARDS USUALLY HAPPENS THAT WAY.

YOU CAN GET IT DONE. SO I JUST I MEAN SO TO YOUR TO YOUR POINT TO YOUR POINT THERE SOME OF THE RESEARCH I'VE SEEN, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY OR OTHER SOURCES, OUR CLIMATE HERE FITS FOR HEAT PUMPS THAT WILL GO UP TO THE EXTREME OF ABOUT THAT 110.

IT'LL GO DOWN TO ABOUT 15 TO 20 PRETTY EFFICIENTLY.

I DO HAVE FOLKS I KNOW THAT LIVE IN DENTON THAT HAVE CONVERTED TO HEAT PUMPS, AND THEIR TAKE ON IT IS IT'S ACTUALLY MORE EFFICIENT AND MORE THEIR ENERGY BILL HAS GONE DOWN AND THEY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IN THE AREA BY THE WAY IT HEATS AND COOLS.

SO IT'S MORE OF A CONSISTENT TEMPERATURE.

SO I'LL LET MORE YOU THOUGH ADD BECAUSE SHE CAN ADD.

SHE DID DO MORE RESEARCH FOR OUR CLIMATE ZONE ON WHY THAT RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE.

IF YOU WANT TO HEAR THAT, I THINK IF YOU GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION OF WHAT'S THE MANDATE AND WHAT'S THE ASK OF VOLUNTEER? BECAUSE YOU START I MEAN, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL COST.

AND. JUST LIKE NOW, TODAY WHEN YOU GO TO REPLACE AN HVAC UNIT, YOU HAVE TO GO WITH THE NEW STANDARD, WHICH I THINK IS 15 YEAR MINIMUM ON A, ON A NON HEAT PUMP UNIT OR 16 YEAR, IT MAY BE 16 YEAR, I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT I'M LOOKING FOR MY TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE.

IT'S A 1615.

IT'S 15% MINIMUM.

THEY DON'T SELL 14 YEAR ANYMORE UNLESS THEY'RE LEFT OVER.

RIGHT. MAYOR I APPRECIATE YOUR INDULGENCE.

YEAH. AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO WRAP UP HERE REALLY QUICK.

I CONCUR WITH A LOT THAT'S BEEN SAID, BUT I DO WANT TO I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE SAYING THAT THE GOAL IS SET RIGHT BECAUSE.

I BELIEVE THIS TO BE.

I'VE HEARD THE WORD ASPIRATIONAL.

I'VE HEARD A DIFFERENT VIEW.

I DON'T CALL IT A GOAL.

IT'S NOT STEEPED IN REALITY.

BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING US TO TAKE TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND ACT ON SOMETHING THAT THE TAXPAYERS DON'T SUPPORT. IT IS UNDENIABLE THAT AND I WELCOME ANYONE AT THIS DAIS OR NOT, GO POST ON YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA PAGE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ADVOCATE FOR REGIONAL MIXED USE ZONES, AT LEAST 70% OF NEW DWELLINGS TO BE APARTMENTS.

AND THEN I ALSO WOULD ADVOCATE THAT THEY GO OUT AND SAY AT LEAST 50% OF DWELLINGS NORTH OF THE LOOP, WHICH IS OUR NEXT DEVELOPMENT AREA, STARTING WITH HARTLEY FIELD, WILL BE 50% APARTMENTS.

POST THAT ON YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA.

BRING THOSE RESULTS BACK.

I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THEY'LL BE, BUT BUT IF YOU WANT TO SAMPLE THAT, GO RIGHT AHEAD.

RIGHT. SO THIS THIS GOAL IGNORES EVERYTHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

IT TAKES NO CONSIDERATION INTO THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE.

WE ALL YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE TO ANSWER TO.

AND THIS GOAL, AS YOU CALL IT, I DON'T CALL IT THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CALL IT, BUT IT'S NOT A GOAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT STEEPED IN REALITY.

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THE GOAL I WAS MENTIONING IS JUST THE GOAL TO REACH NET ZERO BY 2050.

BUT THAT'S SO SOME OF THESE ACTIONS MAY NOT BE REALITY, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING IT HERE, TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WOULD WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS, TO FIGURE OUT THEN HOW WE CAN ADJUST TO GET THERE.

OKAY. WELL I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO WE NEED ANOTHER WORD.

OKAY. JUST JUST LIKE WE NEED ANOTHER WORD FOR SAVINGS.

QUICK SEARCH ON SAVE.

RIGHT. IT MEANS TO AVOID SPENDING, TO KEEP, TO RESERVE.

THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE CONVERSATION YOU HAD WITH MY PEERS WHERE YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY AND YOU MAY HAVE TO SPEND LESS, AND YOU'RE CALLING THAT SAVINGS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A THERE'S A BREAK EVEN POINT AND THERE'S A SAVINGS POINT.

SO AT SOME POINT YOU INVEST INITIALLY, THEN YOU'RE SAVING MONTHLY ON YOUR ENERGY BILL.

SO THAT MIGHT BE A THREE YEAR COST PAYBACK.

AND THEN AFTER THAT THIRD YEAR THEN YOU'RE HAVING THOSE SAVINGS.

THAT'S WHAT'S PROJECTED IN THE PLAN.

BUT THERE IS A TIME TO BE ABLE TO BALANCE THAT OUT.

BUT THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO WHAT WE HAVE CONTROL OVER PER SE IS OUR WE'RE NOT GOING TO GUARANTEE ANY OF THAT TO A RESIDENT ONE AND THEN TWO LESS THAN THAT.

WE HAVE CONTROL OVER AS FAR AS CITY FACILITIES, EQUIPMENT, ETCETERA.

AND THEN YES. SO YEAH, SO THERE'S NOT A SAVINGS PER SE BECAUSE THAT IF I'M A LAYPERSON AND I'M LISTENING, I'M THINKING YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE TAX MONEY, RIGHT? YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE ME MONEY, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PAY LESS.

AND EVEN IF YOU IF YOU EVEN IF YOU IF YOU STRETCH THAT TO THE ELECTRIC BILL, WE'RE NOT GUARANTEEING THAT.

SO IF SOMEONE USES MORE OR THEY HAVE A LEAK OR ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE BEYOND OUR CONTROL, THEY WOULD END UP PAYING MORE.

AND SO I JUST I DON'T PERSONALLY.

RIGHT. I DON'T LIKE THE WORD SAVES BECAUSE IT SENDS A MISLEADING MESSAGE TO ME.

I THINK THERE'S A CLEARER WAY TO, TO COMMUNICATE.

IF YOU SPEND $4 BILLION.

AND THAT ALL IS KIND OF MURKY.

I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE THAT IS VERY MINIMAL.

AND THAT'S WHAT I ASK IN MY QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE.

THIS ISN'T NEW. AND SO BUT BUT THE SAME THING WITH YOU TALK ABOUT AIR QUALITY.

WHAT PERCENTAGE OF AIR QUALITY ARE OUR AIR QUALITY IS 100% IN OUR CONTROL.

ERGO, IF THE CITY OF DENTON DOES THIS, WE CONTROL WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR AIR QUALITY.

IF WE MANDATED A SWITCH TO EVS, WE WOULD HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL.

WE WOULD REDUCE OR TAKE AWAY ALL THOSE TAILPIPE EMISSIONS.

SO WE WOULD HAVE A DIRECT, MEANINGFUL IMPACT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE BACKGROUND BLOWING IN.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT AFFECT US.

BUT YOU'RE GOING TO REMOVE THAT IMMEDIATE SOURCE.

THE WAY THE EXAMPLE I WOULD GIVE THERE, IF YOU STAND ON A CURB NEXT TO A CAR, PUT YOUR FACE DOWN BY THE TAILPIPE, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT IMPACT THAN IF YOU STAND ON THE SIDEWALK OR IF YOU STAND TWO SPACES BACK.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TAKING OUT THAT SOURCE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGH THOSE EVS.

AND I LOVE THAT. RIGHT. THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

WE'RE GOING TO DIGRESS FOR A SECOND.

I'LL TAKE YOUR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY HAVE PEOPLE SITTING IN MEDIANS IN OUR INTERSECTIONS AT TAILPIPE LEVEL AND DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT.

SO THEY'RE SITTING THERE WILLINGLY AT TAILPIPE LEVEL ALL OVER OUR CITY RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD SAY WE'RE DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT.

THAT'S A LITTLE OFF TOPIC FOR ME ON THAT ONE.

CERTAINLY NOT MY WHEELHOUSE.

DRIVE AROUND. WE SEE IT.

RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S A CONVERSATION TO TAKE UP.

SO. AND THEN ALSO YOU TALKED ABOUT WALKING BIKING ETCETERA.

IN THE FUTURE REPORT.

WE THEN HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE COST OF THAT.

RIGHT. SO THERE'S SHADE REQUIREMENTS.

THERE'S YOU KNOW AND THAT GOES BEYOND TREE PLANTING REALLY.

I MEAN IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CORRIDORS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO EXPECT PEOPLE TO WALK AND THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT SHADED, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENS.

LOOK AT THE LOOK AT THE NORTH TEXAS FAIR AND RODEO RODEO THAT HAD RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT HEAT WAVE, JUST PEOPLE DIDN'T GO.

RIGHT. AND SO PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO WALK IF WE DON'T DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE IT COMFORTABLE.

SO I THINK IN A FUTURE REPORT JUST KIND OF AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL THINGS KIND OF THAT I'M JUST PRAGMATIC TO A FAULT.

RIGHT. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SHADE, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WALKING.

I CAN I CAN BRING YOU A LIST OF PEOPLE THAT AREN'T INTERESTED IN WALKING.

AND AND, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST GOING TO LET YOU KNOW, DARK COLORS ABSORB HEAT, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND SO I CAN GET YOU A LIST OF FOLKS THAT WOULD SAY, I'VE ALWAYS PLAYED SPORTS FOR YEARS.

AND YES, WE ROLLED MY EYES WHEN WE PICKED THE BLACK UNIFORM.

YES, IT WAS LIKE, WHY YES.

YEAH. SO I MEAN 100%.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT JUST THAT BALANCE.

RIGHT. THE EXAMPLE IN THE CONVERSATIONS EARLIER WAS TALKED ABOUT LEDS, LIGHTS AND THE BENEFIT THERE.

RIGHT. BUT HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE THOSE TO BREAK DOWN LONGER? I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER I THINK IN THE LANDFILL.

BUT THEY LAST LONGER ON THE STREET BUT THEY BREAK DOWN.

SLOWER IN THE LANDFILL AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY RECYCLED.

THEY DON'T GO TO THE LANDFILL.

OKAY. THEY THEY RECYCLED IN THAT THEY, THEY REUSE A LOT OF THAT MATERIAL TO THEN CREATE NEW LIGHTS.

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A LOT OF IT, YES, BUT THE BULBS.

RIGHT. YOU'RE GOING TO BREAK DOWN THE BULBS AND REUSE.

YOU REUSE SOME OF THE GLASS BUT YOU DON'T USE I DON'T I'M, I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBERS ON HOW MUCH COMES BACK OUT OF IT.

I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU, BUT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.

YEAH. SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT GOES INTO THE EQUATION FOR ME.

RIGHT. JUST AGAIN, THIS IS ALL POINTED AT ME.

JUST SAYING I NEED TO UNDERSTAND BETTER THAT BREAKDOWN PROCESS.

RIGHT. SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DETAILS AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A BROAD STATEMENT TO SAY IT'S BETTER, HOW SO? RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND PART OF THE PLAN, TO YOUR POINT ON THE WALKING WAS MORE TO TRY TO MAKE SPACES, DEVELOP SPACES, AND CREATE SPACES THAT INVITE PEOPLE AND WANT THEM TO USE IT THAT WAY.

YES. IT'S NOT MANDATED THEM TO USE IT.

SO HOPEFULLY IF IT'S DONE CORRECTLY, IT'S INVITING AND THEY WANT TO USE THAT SPACE.

YEAH. NO, THAT'S A HUGE LIFT TOO.

BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S COST, THERE'S DESIGN.

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO ANYWHERE.

SIDEWALK SETBACKS FOR BUILDINGS, EVERYTHING ELSE COME INTO PLAY.

SO IT'S NOT AN EASY LIFT.

BUT YES, NO WOULD WANT TO MAKE AN INVITE, BUT I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

THAT IS THE GOAL. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CAN CONTROL, RIGHT? THE CITY COULD PUT IN A COVERED WALKWAY OVER MCKINNEY HERE.

THE CITY COULD PUT IN WALKWAYS TO DIFFERENT.

THOSE ARE THINGS WE CAN CONTROL.

WE'RE NOT MANDATING AND HOPING SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING.

THESE ARE AREAS WHERE WE CAN HAVE COVERED WALKING CORRIDORS, IF YOU WILL.

JUST LIKE OUR TRAIL SYSTEM PARKS, WE CAN INSTALL THOSE IN A WAY THAT HAVE SHADE AND INVITE PEOPLE TO MOVE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

EXACTLY. AND THEN AND THEN I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO BE REAL INTERESTED TO WATCH, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE UNIVERSAL ADOPTION ON THIS BUILDING BEING MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT. WHAT YOU CALL THIS BUILDING EFFICIENT, BUILT IN 1967.

I'M NOT THE FACILITIES DIRECTOR, BUT I WOULD SAY NO.

RIGHT. AND SO IF WE DON'T HAVE UNIVERSAL SUPPORT FOR US TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND OUR PRIMARY BUILDING IN THE CITY, IF WE DON'T HAVE UNIVERSAL SUPPORT TO UPGRADE OUR FACILITIES WHERE WE HAVE THE MONEY AND, YOU KNOW, SO AGAIN, THAT'S JUST MY THESE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS. I'M JUST SAYING I'M READING THE ROOM AND SAYING I CAN'T GET ON BOARD WITH SOMETHING THAT TAKES THE GOVERNMENT OFF THE HOOK AND THEN MANDATES THAT BOB THE HOMEOWNER OR SUSAN, THE HOMEOWNER HAS TO DO THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT I JUST AND AGAIN, THAT'S I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH THIS.

SO LET ME, LET ME, LET ME SPEED UP.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CARS AND ELECTRIFICATION AND CAR FREE ZONES, I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT THAT WORDING WOULD LOOK LIKE ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS, BECAUSE THAT'S IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO START ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS.

AA TWU RIGHT.

IF IF THAT'S NOT BECAUSE IF THAT'S NOT WALKABLE, IF THAT'S NOT THE MODEL AREA, THAT'S WALKABLE AND CAR FREE AND ALL THOSE THINGS, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE PART OF THE CITY IS THAT THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE HUB FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO LET'S BRING THAT BACK AND LET LET'S GIVE US SOMETHING TO REACT TO ON ON THAT SPECIFIC SPACE.

BECAUSE I'D JUST BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THAT BECAUSE THOSE NUMBERS AGAIN, THAT ASPIRATION IS SIGNIFICANT.

AND I WANT TO SEE HOW THAT'S USED IN A, IN A CENTRALIZED AREA LIKE THAT.

AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE CARS.

SO IT'S IT'S LOWER HANGING FRUIT.

I TALKED ABOUT THAT.

THERE WAS THAT REPORT.

I GUESS YOU CAN FOLLOW BACK UP WITH THAT.

YOU DIDN'T YOU DIDN'T HAVE PLAN THE PLAN.

BUT SHE SAID 5 TO 8% HIGHER COST BASED ON IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING VERSUS YOU DO PROVIDE A REFERENCE ON THAT.

THERE ARE REFERENCES THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT YOU CAN LOOK AT AS WELL, WHICH HELP EXPLAIN SOME OF THE FIGURES IN THERE.

THERE'S FOOTNOTES ON VARIOUS PAGES.

I DON'T REMEMBER IF THAT FOOTNOTE IS IN THERE OR NOT.

I'M ASSUMING IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT WAS A QUESTION TO ASK LIVE.

AND SO YEAH. SO IF YOU COULD JUST NOTE IT MIGHT NOT BE STRONG ENOUGH.

SO WE'LL GET THAT CLARIFIED.

THANK YOU. AND THEN.

YEAH, I TALKED ABOUT THE ROI AND THAT SORT OF THING.

AND THEN LET'S SEE.

TALKED ABOUT THAT.

YEAH. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS A THIS REPORT FINALIZED AND PRODUCE A BEST PRACTICES REFERENCE GUIDE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WHAT I SEE THIS TO BE.

I DON'T I CAN'T GET BEHIND MANDATING A LOT OF WHAT'S LISTED HERE.

I CAN GET BEHIND AN EDUCATION PLATFORM, A RESOURCE PLATFORM WHERE WE'RE EDUCATING NOT ONLY BECAUSE THAT GOES MORE BROADLY THAN THE IT OBVIOUSLY EDUCATES THE CITY OF DENTON, BUT WE CAN SHARE THAT WITH OUR WITH OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH AND NORTH.

THEY THEY THEN CAN DO MAKE BETTER DECISIONS.

AND THEN THAT ALSO WE BENEFIT BY PROXY.

AND SO IT HAS A BROADER REACH AND IT INFORMS CITIZENS THAT ARE WILLING TO DO THOSE, TAKE THOSE STEPS.

AND I'M WILLING TO ENTERTAIN INCENTIVES IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCENTIVES FOR DEVELOPERS TO BUILD AT CERTAIN STANDARDS.

ALL IN FOR THAT, RIGHT? SO, HEY, IF YOU DO THESE THINGS, THE CITY WILL PARTNER WITH YOU AND DO THESE THINGS.

SO I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO AFFECT THESE THINGS VERSUS A MORE HEAVY HANDED, TOP DOWN KIND OF MANDATE APPROACH.

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AGAIN, MY MY THOUGHTS.

AND THEN BECAUSE HERE'S WHAT WE HERE'S I HOPE WE CAN AGREE ON THIS.

ANY COST THAT ARE GIVEN TO BUILDERS DEVELOPERS ARE GETTING PASSED ON TO WHO BUYS THE HOUSE.

RIGHT. SO ANY EXTRA MANDATES, ANY EXTRA COSTS GOING INTO BUILDING THE HOUSE WILL THEN BE PASSED ON TO THE ULTIMATE BUYER.

THEN ALSO WHAT ALWAYS GETS LEFT OFF HERE IS WHAT ABOUT HABITAT FOR HUMANITY THAT CARRIES THE NOTES THAT HAS VOLUNTEER LABOR.

THEY'RE SUBJECT TO THESE SAME THINGS.

SO NOW HABITAT FOR HUMANITY CAN'T EVEN BUILD A HOUSE UNDER $400,000, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE CARRYING THOSE NOTES.

AND SO THERE'S NO CARVE OUT FOR NONPROFITS.

EVERYONE HAS TO PAY THE SAME FEES.

ET CETERA. BILL TO THE SAME STANDARDS.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE PUNISHING NONPROFITS WITH, AS THIS IS CURRENTLY LAID OUT.

AND I CAN'T GET BEHIND THAT.

AND THEN I WOULD ASK MISS CITY MANAGER THAT WE TALK TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, BECAUSE THEN ALL THESE HIGH SCHOOLS, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A STATE OF TEXAS THING.

YOU HAVE THIS UNFUNDED MANDATE.

ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE WE'RE BUILDING ANOTHER HIGH SCHOOL THAT'S ALREADY PLANNED, ALREADY STRUCTURED, THAT'S GOING TO FALL RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, THAT HAS NONE OF THESE THINGS. SO YOU'LL HAVE A BRAND NEW HIGH SCHOOL THAT YOU ALMOST HAVE TO RETROFIT NOW IN DENTON HIGH.

THEY DO HAVE THE HEAT PUMPS, RIGHT? AND THEY HAVE THAT IN ADVANCE, AND THEY'RE DOING SOME MORE PROGRESSIVE THINGS.

BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THEY NEED TO BE HEARD ON ON THIS ITEM AND THEN TALKED ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN YOU REFERENCED YOUR FRIENDS I ON THE HEAT PUMP THING.

I WOULD JUST REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND.

HOW DO I SAY THIS DELICATELY? HOW DO THEY LIKE TO LIVE? IF IT'S COMPARABLE? YES. RIGHT. WE NEED TO SAMPLE.

I UNDERSTOOD EVERYBODY, AND NOT JUST ALL INCOMES.

ALL YOU KNOW IS THE PERSON IS A SINGLE MOM.

THE 102,000 HOMES THAT UNITED WAY, THE ALISON HOUSEHOLDS.

ARE THEY RETROFITTING THE HEAT PUMPS OR IS IT A DIFFERENT YOU KNOW HOW BECAUSE THESE RULES WILL APPLY TO EVERYONE.

AND THAT'S WHY I REALLY LIKE THE THE JUST KIND OF A MANUAL GUIDE APPROACH, BECAUSE PEOPLE, WHEREVER THEY ARE IN LIFE, CAN CAN DO WHAT THEY CAN DO.

AND TO YOUR POINT, EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS, RIGHT? AND SO WE CAN MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE, GIVE THEM GUIDANCE, GIVE THEM INFORMATION BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO DO THAT RESEARCH.

AND SO THAT TO ME IS IMPORTANT.

YEAH. MS..

CITY MANAGER. MAYOR PRO TEM HAS SOME COMMENTS.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS THE GOAL OF COUNCIL TO REACH ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2050.

THIS WAS COUNCIL'S IN.

AND SO WHEN MICHAEL HAD THIS DID AN RFP, IT WAS SENT OUT TO A CONSULTANT TO SHOW WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO REACH THAT GOAL BY 2050.

AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID NOW.

THERE ARE BITS AND PIECES OF THIS THAT I THINK ALL OF US WOULD ADMIT TO WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT IN THIS CITY.

I THINK THE ASPIRATION PART IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE AN ASPIRATION, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES WHEN IT COMES TO BEING SUSTAINABLE AND ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY. I THINK WHAT MIGHT BE BEST FOR US IS TO LET MICHAEL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE QUESTIONS YOU'VE RAISED.

LOOK AT WHAT'S REASONABLE BY TALKING TO TONY, BY TALKING TO SCOTT MCDONALD, BY TALKING TO GARY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, OKAY, IF THERE ARE WAYS TO AFFECT THIS BY A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, WE NEED TO BE DOING THAT AS A PART OF THIS PLAN.

IF THERE'S WAYS TO AFFECT THIS FROM HOME DEVELOPMENT, WE NEED TO BE PUTTING THAT IN AS A PART OF THE PLAN.

WHAT ARE THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? YOU'RE ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO BE BRINGING BACK TO YOU SO YOU CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

THERE'S A BALANCE BETWEEN THE GOAL OF ZERO EMISSIONS AND WHAT THE CITY CAN ACTUALLY DO TO AFFECT CHANGE.

WHAT THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW.

AND I THINK THE QUESTION IS, WHAT HE'S HEARD TODAY FROM YOU IS WE'VE GOT TO BRING THAT BACK TO WHAT IS REALLY A REALITY FOR THIS CITY.

BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T SET HIGH ASPIRATIONS SO THAT WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT THIS CITY IS WALKING THE TALK.

IN WHAT YOU HAVE SAID IS A COUNCIL BACK IN JULY OF 22, WHEN YOU APPROVED THE RFP AND THEN PREVIOUS COUNCILS IN 2020, 20, 2012 OR 2, AND THEN 2022, WHICH WAS EARLY 2022, WHICH WAS A DIFFERENT COUNCIL.

THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEMBERS.

SO FOR ME, I THINK WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK WE HAVE THE WORK TO DO BEFORE WE GO BACK TO YOUR SUSTAINABLE OR YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL COMMITTEE, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE JUST GIVING THEM SOMETHING THAT THEN THEY'RE GOING TO REACT TO DIFFERENTLY IF WE BRING SOMETHING BACK.

BUT I HEAR EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

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I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON ECONOMIC VITALITY IN THIS CITY.

SO WHEN YOU START SHOVING THINGS DOWN PEOPLE'S THROATS, THE ECONOMIC VITALITY OF A CITY ALSO SUFFERS.

AND WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT HAS TO BE A BALANCE.

AND SO I THINK WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO TO COME BACK.

ALL RIGHT. IS THERE? WHO? WHO ELSE IS? BECAUSE I'M GOING TO SET A TIME.

WHO ELSE IS TRYING TO SPEAK AGAIN? OH, JUST ONE SECOND.

SO IT. YOU DONE? ARE YOU GOOD? YEAH.

OKAY. OKAY.

SO. SO A COUPLE OF MINUTES APIECE IF WE COULD TO TO GET US TO OUR NEXT ITEM, 2 TO 3 MINUTES ROUND NUMBERS.

BUT SUCCINCTLY, MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCILMAN BYRD COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I TRIED TO KEEP MY EARLIER COMMENTS SUCCINCT BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A SECOND ROUND.

I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE'D AGREED TO.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT SECOND ROUND.

WELL, AND AND NOT TO INTERRUPT, BUT YOU CAN WATCH THE CLOCK JUST AS WELL AS I CAN WHEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AS THINGS ARE GOING.

AND THAT GIVES YOU A GOOD READ.

BUT GO AHEAD. OKAY.

THANK YOU. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I'M JUST GOING TO DOUBLE DOWN ON THAT I THINK WILL BE REALLY GERMANE, IS WE MAY NOT LIKE OR APPRECIATE THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE FIND OURSELVES IN, BUT THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE COSTS, AND WE WE MAY NOT WISH TO BEAR THE BURDEN OF THAT COST.

AND SO AN EXAMPLE BE, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT LIKE IF WE WERE IF WE WERE GALVESTON, WE MAY NOT LIKE ADDITIONAL HURRICANES.

WE MAY NOT LIKE ADDITIONAL TIDAL SURGE.

WE MAY NOT LIKE ADDITIONAL MOSQUITO PEST MANAGEMENT CONTROL COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAD BEEN DOING.

BUT THAT IS THE REALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE FIND OURSELVES IN AND SAYING, WELL, OUR COMMUNITY IF EDUCATED ABOUT.

SO I THINK EDUCATION, OUTREACH AND TRAINING ARE GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST COMPONENTS ON THIS, MAKING SURE THAT THE PUBLIC AND I THINK YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING A FINE JOB EXPLAINING AS WE TRY TO SET OUR POLICIES WHAT WHAT THE COST BENEFITS OF THESE KINDS OF THINGS ARE AND LETTING US CHOOSE THE KIND OF BUFFET THAT WE WANT TO EAT, BUT WE'RE ALREADY MISSING TARGETS BY 13%.

SO TO GO BACK TO MY HURRICANE ANALOGY, WE'RE ALREADY GETTING 13% MORE MOSQUITOES THAN WE'D LIKE TO HAVE.

WE'RE ALREADY GETTING 13 MORE.

MORE PERCENT OF OUR BEACH ERODED.

IF WE WERE GALVESTON BY BY THIS ANALOGY, THEN WE WANT TO HAVE.

SO WE HAVE TO LIVE IN THE WORLD WITH THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE.

SO THAT PREAMBLE IS BY WAY OF, I REALLY WOULD LOVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IN DOCUMENTS THAT YOU PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC AND PRESENT TO COUNCIL ESPECIALLY, WE MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR WHAT THE COSTS AND THE HARMS OF DOING NOTHING, OR EVEN SLOWING DOWN AND TAPPING THE BRAKES MEAN IN TERMS NOW WE MAY DECIDE TO TAP THE BRAKES.

WE MAY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT THE THE, THE PEOPLE SAID, WE CAN'T EAT THIS.

WE CAN'T. WE CAN'T STAND IT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT.

AND IN THOSE CASES, WE NEED TO SAY, OKAY, YOU'VE MADE THAT POLICY.

AND GOING FORWARD THIS WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL COST OF X BY DOING THAT.

SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE COSTS NOT JUST IN CO2 EMISSIONS, BUT SYNERGIES WITH RESPECT TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, WATER, ALL OUR OTHER KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS.

AND THIS IS A HUGE A HUGE ASK, I REALIZE, BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO TALK ABOUT EMISSIONS.

BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN ROLL IN THE SYNERGIES AS WELL, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THOSE ARE CLEAR, THAT IT IS AN OPPORTUNE COST THAT WE WOULD WILLINGLY.

IT IS BETTER TO SPEND A DOLLAR NOW THAN SPEND $2 CPI CONVERTED IN THE FUTURE.

THE NET PRESENT VALUE IS BETTER ON THAT THEN, AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE COSTS ARE ADEQUATELY DISPLAYED TO US, ESPECIALLY THE COSTS OF DOING NOTHING AND MINIMIZING OUR IMPACT.

SO IF WE COULD GET THOSE KINDS OF NUMBERS IN THE FUTURE, I'D REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

COUNCILMAN BYRD.

AND THEN ON THE SIMPLEST TERMS, IT JUST APPEARS AS THOUGH US EXPECTING PERFECTION AT THE LEVEL ZERO. WE MAY HAVE TO RETHINK.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A NATIONAL FEDERAL.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF WHERE'S THE ZERO CAME FROM.

IT'S INTERNATIONAL STANDARD.

INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS.

OH THE PERFECTION.

IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS THAT IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THAT WAY.

AND LISTENING TO MY PEERS COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON, EVERYBODY IS THAT THIS CITY IS TRYING

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TO MAINTAIN.

AND WE TOLD THE PEOPLE THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS WHEN THEY ELECTED US, THAT WE WERE GOING TO MAINTAIN THE FEEL AND A LEVEL OF TYPE OF STANDARD. SO I JUST THINK THAT WHEN WE WERE LISTENING TO THE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE BOARD AND LISTENING TO EVERYTHING IS THAT WE WERE GOING TO END UP FEELING, YOU KNOW, BRINGING ANOTHER TYPE OF FEELING TO OUR CITY.

WE HAVE A REPUTATION FOR BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

YOU KNOW, OUR THING WHILE WE WHILE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE HERE, ALL OF THIS THAT WE'VE HEARD MAKES IT SEEM LIKE WE'RE MOVING AWAY FROM THAT.

AND SO WITH WHATEVER BECK SAID AND AND HOLLAND SAID, AND I'M SURE IF MCGEE WAS HERE, HE WOULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING VERY SIGNIFICANT.

AND THE OTHER TWO GENTLEMEN HERE AND THE MAYOR, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE JUST WANT YOU ALL TO BRING US SOMETHING BACK THAT'S REALISTIC FOR OUR TOWN. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE READY FOR NOW.

WE HEARD THE PERFECTION.

BUT WHAT IS IT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE FOR US? CAN YOU ALL GO BACK AND KIND OF THINK ALONG THOSE TERMS WHEN YOU'RE GOING BACK AND WRITING, REWRITING THIS FOR US? THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND YOU ALL ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.

I JUST LOVE THE CITY.

I'M JUST LEARNING SO MUCH ABOUT THE CITY.

I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW AND WATCHING THE RAIN FALL.

IT REMINDS ME OF HOME IN HOUSTON WHERE IT JUST RAINS ALL THE TIME INSTEAD OF THUNDERSTORMS. SO JUST BRINGING US SOMETHING BACK, YOU KNOW, ALONG THOSE LINES, SOMETHING SMOOTH THAT WE CAN DIGEST.

I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER MELTZER.

YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS, AND THEN I'LL KIND OF GIVE DIRECTION.

JUST A FACT QUESTION.

MAYBE SCOTT MCDONALD WOULD KNOW WHAT PERCENT OF NEW BUILD UNITS ARE APARTMENTS NOW BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF UNITS.

WHEN YOU BUILD AN APARTMENT BUILDING.

WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU ON THAT ONE.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT.

AND THE TERM APARTMENT HERE WOULD INCLUDED TOWNHOMES, CONDOS, DIFFERENT THINGS.

IT WAS JUST I WONDER IF IT'S POSSIBLY A POOR TERM, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT.

WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT, I THINK I THINK THAT HELPS US ALL.

AND THEN THIS IS JUST A FACT QUESTION I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO.

CAN HEAT PUMPS WORK IN COMBINATION WITH CONVENTIONAL HVAC, LIKE THE WAY A HYBRID CAR WOULD USE WHICHEVER SYSTEM? NO. CAN'T BE DONE. OKAY, JUST A FACT QUESTION.

SO SO MY RESPONSE AT THIS POINT AND.

TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH MORE DETAIL AND ALL THE REST.

MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE DEVELOP POLICY OPTIONS IN A FEW AREAS AS A PRIORITY.

AND FRANKLY, WHEN I HEARD THIS, I WAS THINKING I WAS ASSUMING THAT THE BIAS WOULD BE TOWARD INCENTIVES, NOT TOWARD MANDATES.

I JUST THINK THAT IT'S THE ONLY REALISTIC WAY.

YOU KNOW, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO SIZE THE INCENTIVES BIG ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY ACHIEVE THE GOALS, RIGHT? SO WHAT I OBSERVE IS FOR THESE EMISSION REDUCTION GOALS, THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT TO US HERE, LOOKING ONLY AT THEIR CONTRIBUTION TO OUTCOMES WITH NO SPECIFIC COST ATTACHED ON THE TACTICS.

AS YOU KNOW, IN THE PRESENTATION, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE THREE AREAS THAT CONTRIBUTE 94% OF THE REDUCTION TARGET.

SO 57% IS IS THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, VEHICLE ELECTRIFICATION.

SO WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, INCENTIVIZING THE PURCHASE AND MAKING SURE THERE'S AN ENVIRONMENT OF CHARGING STATIONS, HOW WHETHER WE DO IT OR INCENTIVIZE.

BUT ALL THAT THAT WOULD BE A POLICY AREA.

LANDFILL DIVERSION AND REDUCTION IS 20%.

AND ENERGY EFFICIENT BUILDINGS OLD AND NEW WITH WITH THERMAL HVAC IS ANOTHER 17.

SO THAT JUST THOSE THREE AREAS GET YOU TO 94% OF THE REDUCTION.

AND TO ME THERE'S AN THERE IS A POWER IN FOCUS.

YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT MAKES US FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF IMPOSSIBLY BIG TO, I THINK, TO SOME VIEWERS IS THAT IT'S 15 THINGS, ALL OF WHICH ARE GIGANTIC. BUT IF IT'S THREE AREAS THAT ARE 94% OF IT, AND WE CAN START LOOKING AT WHAT THE POLICY OPTIONS MIGHT BE THERE, I THINK THAT THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MORE DIGESTIBLE.

HOWEVER, I WOULD ALSO SAY.

I SUGGEST IF THERE ARE OTHER VERY SIGNIFICANT GOALS OTHER THAN CO TWO THAT ARE CORNERSTONES OF OUR RESILIENCE, LIKE THINGS RELATED TO WATER THAT WE ADD THEM IN, AND I STILL THINK YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FIVE THINGS TO FOCUS ON, NOT 15, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE MOST GOOD AND HAVE THE GREATEST LIKELIHOOD OF ACTUALLY ACHIEVING THEM.

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YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN DO OTHER THINGS TOO, GREAT.

BUT. THAT'S WHAT MY SUGGESTION.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD? ONE THING I JUST WANT TO SAY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'VE LOOKED AT A LOT OF THESE PLANS.

I WAS VERY PROUD THAT WE BROUGHT BACK ONE THAT ONLY HAD FOUR AREAS TO REALLY LOOK AT WITH 15 ACTIONS.

THOSE 15 ACTIONS AREN'T ALL PALATABLE, I GET THAT, BUT I LIKE THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO COME BACK WITH A 2 OR 300 PAGE DOCUMENT WITH 200 THINGS SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO GO INVESTIGATE, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. THAT DRAWS YOUR ATTENTION SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THE INTENT HERE TO SAY THIS IS THE REALITY, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE MODELED, AND HERE'S WHAT IT IS.

SO WE'VE GOTTEN YOUR FEEDBACK. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL TAKING THE TIME TO READ IT, LOOK AT IT AND BE THAT ENGAGED WITHIN THE PLAN.

AND I THINK THAT ALSO SPEAKS TO THE PLAN WAS ACTUALLY FAIRLY SIMPLE TO FOLLOW THROUGH, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.

WE GOT SOME WORK TO DO AND WE'LL BE BACK TO YOU.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH I APPRECIATE IT.

WELL DONE. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM B ID 231861.

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on proposed Parks and Recreation rates and fees. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

RECEIVE REPORT HOLD DISCUSSION.

GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON PROPOSED PARKS AND RECREATION RATES AND FEES.

WELL, IF HE WANTS ME TO KILL THE ZOOM MEETING.

YEP. HE DID. I THINK MATT WANTS TO TALK SOME MORE ABOUT MISSION.

PARKING MINIMUMS. PARKING MINIMUMS. I'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

OKAY. MATT HAMILTON, BUDGET MANAGER HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE FISCAL YEAR 2324 PROPOSED PARKS AND RECREATION SCHEDULE OF FEES.

SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE TAKE FOR EVALUATING FEES ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, REVIEW ALL THE PARK AND RECREATION RELATED FEES.

IN DOING SO, WE GATHER FINANCIAL DATA FROM THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR AND ENTER IT INTO A COST OF SERVICE MODEL.

THE COST OF SERVICE MODEL THAT WE CURRENTLY USE WAS DEVELOPED IN 2020 AND ADOPTED BY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME.

AND SO FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE'VE USED THIS MODEL TO REVIEW AND IDENTIFY CHANGES IN THE COST OF SERVICE MODEL.

SO WHAT WE DO IS BENCHMARK WITH SURROUNDING AND LIKE CITIES.

SO ANY CITIES THAT HAVE COMPARABLE AMENITIES IN THEIR PARKS AND RECREATION DIVISIONS.

AND THEN LOOK AT AN EVALUATION OF OUR CURRENT FEES, OUR CURRENT COST RECOVERY PERCENTAGES, TARGET COST RECOVERY PERCENTAGES, AND OF COURSE, THE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT'S FEASIBLE IN TERMS OF THE FEES THAT WE CHARGE.

PROPOSED CHANGES ARE REVIEWED BY THE PARKS, RECREATION AND BEAUTIFICATION BOARD AND THEN BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL TO BE APPROVED.

SO THIS IS A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF THE COST OF SERVICE MODEL THAT WE CURRENTLY USE.

YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE.

IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER ARE SERVICE CATEGORIES WHICH SERVE THE COMMON GOOD.

SO AND THEN IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER IT MOVES UP TO SERVICE CATEGORIES WHICH ARE INDIVIDUALIZED.

SO AN EXAMPLE OF A COMMON GOOD WOULD JUST BE AN OPEN SPACE TRAILS.

THERE'S NO COST RECOVERY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

THERE'S NO FEE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

AND THEN IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER THE CATEGORY OF RESALE.

THESE WOULD BE LIKE CONCESSION GOODS WHERE THE BENEFIT IS TO THE INDIVIDUAL MAKING THAT ELECTIVE PURCHASE.

SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SERVICE CATEGORIES THAT RANGE BETWEEN THE COMMON GOOD AND INDIVIDUALIZED.

AND WE SET OUR FEES AND AND COST RECOVERY TARGETS ACCORDING TO THE WHERE THAT BENEFIT FALLS IN THIS CONTINUUM. SO ONE THING JUST TO POINT OUT IS, AS YOU CAN SEE, AS THE COST RECOVERY INCREASES, SO DOES THE BENEFIT TO AN INDIVIDUAL. AND THIS MODEL WAS DEVELOPED AND IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE IT PROVIDES A FAIR AND EQUITABLE WAY TO SUBSIDIZE WITH TAXPAYERS CERTAIN SERVICES, BUT THEN ALSO BALANCE THAT WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LOOKING FOR SPECIFIC BENEFITS THAT WILL BENEFIT THEM.

THIS IS OVERALL JUST A TARGET, A GUIDELINE THAT IS USED.

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IN ADDITION TO THIS, WE DO FACTOR IN OTHER THINGS LIKE I'D MENTIONED BENCHMARKING, BUT ALSO IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE FEEL THAT WOULD BE A FAIR FEE RATE STRUCTURE FOR THE INDIVIDUALS USING THE FACILITIES.

SO THIS IS ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT THE MODEL.

AS YOU CAN SEE, ON THE RIGHT IS THE RED ARROW AT THE BOTTOM.

THAT GOES FROM PUBLIC BENEFIT ALL THE WAY UP TO INDIVIDUAL BENEFIT IN THE VARIOUS SERVICE CATEGORIES, WHICH YOU'LL SEE TO THE RIGHT OF THE SERVICE CATEGORY IS THE CR GOAL OR COST RECOVERY GOAL THAT WAS IDENTIFIED BY THE CONSULTANT.

SO AGAIN, OPEN ACCESS 0% COST RECOVERY ALL THE WAY UP TO RESALE ITEMS, CONCESSIONS, PRO SHOP ITEMS. SO GETTING INTO PROPOSED RATE CHANGES, ADDITIONS AND REMOVALS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2324.

IN THE SERVICE CATEGORY OF DROP IN ACCESS, THIS SERVICE CATEGORY HAS A COST RECOVERY GOAL OF 25% TO 50%.

SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL NOTICE IS THAT OUR CURRENT COST RECOVERY FOR MANY OF THESE ITEMS ARE WELL BELOW EVEN THE MINIMUM COST RECOVERY THAT WAS IDENTIFIED BY THE CONSULTANT, AND THE PROPOSED COST RECOVERY ONLY INCREASES A FEW PERCENTAGE POINTS.

ONE CHANGE THAT WE ARE MAKING IS, RATHER THAN PROVIDING A DISCOUNT ON THE NUMBER OF PASSES SOLD, TO PROVIDE A DISCOUNT SPECIFICALLY TO RESIDENTS.

SO MOVING AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, THE THE OLD FEE FOR NATATORIUM PASSES WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A DISCOUNT IF YOU PURCHASED FOUR OR MORE PASSES.

NOW JUST PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, TWO OPTIONS WHERE IT'S THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND A DISCOUNT FOR ANY RESIDENT WHO WANTS TO PURCHASE A PASS.

PROPOSED RATE CHANGES IN THE SERVICE CATEGORY OF RENTALS, SO THIS CATEGORY HAS A COST RECOVERY GOAL OF 70 TO 100%.

THE CURRENT COST RECOVERY ON THESE ITEMS IS 80%, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FACILITY RENTALS AND THE BUILDING ATTENDANT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY AT 63%.

THE PROPOSED COST RECOVERY WOULD MOVE TO 94%, WHICH IS STILL IN LINE WITH THE TARGET PERCENTAGES, AND THEN FACILITY RENTALS WOULD MOVE FROM 63% TO 65%.

AND FINALLY IN THE CATEGORY OF RESALE.

THE COST RECOVERY GOAL IS 100% TO 150% AND CHANGING, INCREASING THE AMOUNT FOR A MEMORIAL BENCH, WHICH IS PURCHASED BY AN INDIVIDUAL, WHICH INCLUDES THE CONCRETE PAD, THE BENCH, THE INDIVIDUALIZED PLAQUE AND THE LABOR TO INSTALL IT, MOVING IT TO 100%.

ADDITIONAL PROPOSED FEE CHANGES IS AN INCREASE OF $5 PER PROGRAMMER HOUR FOR NON RESIDENTS, AND THEN ADDING AN OUTSIDE CATERING FEE FOR THE WATERWORKS PARK AND A FEE, A CLEANING FEE FOR FACILITY RENTALS THAT OCCUR AFTER HOURS.

EACH OF THOSE ARE 250 $250.

AND THE PROPOSED REMOVAL OF RATES.

ONE IS TO REMOVE THE POLICE SECURITY FEE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION SCHEDULE OF FEES.

HOWEVER, WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE IT BECAUSE THE POLICE SCHEDULE OF FEES REALLY DICTATES THAT AMOUNT.

AND SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF REDUNDANCY BETWEEN THE TWO SCHEDULE OF FEES AND THEN REMOVING THE NATATORIUM THREE MONTH PASS.

AFTER A REVIEW OF USAGE, IT WAS FOUND THAT THERE'S VERY FEW INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE USING THE NATATORIUM THREE MONTH PASS.

THEY'RE EITHER PURCHASING A ONE MONTH OR AN ANNUAL PASS TO THE NATATORIUM.

SO SO REMOVING THAT OPTION FROM THE FROM THE SCHEDULE OF FEES.

AND WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND WE ALSO HAVE GARY PACKAN HERE FROM PARKS AND RECREATION TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.

RIGHT. AND JUST TO FRAME IT, THIS IS DISCUSSION.

IT'LL COME BACK FOR VOTES, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT ARE WE MISS FEEDBACK SO THAT YOU CAN ADJUST ACCORDINGLY OR CONSIDER.

THAT'S CORRECT OKAY. GREAT.

YEAH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COUNCILOR MELTZER.

SO IF I GIVE SORT OF BROADER DIRECTION RATHER THAN QUESTIONS.

SURE. YEAH. SO I NOTICE SOME OF THE AREAS YOU'RE ALREADY IN IN THE TARGETED RANGE.

SO LET'S GIVE ME KIND OF ANOTHER REASON WHY WE WOULD WHY WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT I WOULD BE INCLINED TO.

AND THEN IN SOME OF THE AREAS I WON'T PICK THEM ALL OUT.

YOU'LL KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.

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WE'RE NOT MOVING EXPEDITIOUSLY TOWARD THE TARGETED LEVEL OF RECOVERY.

WE'RE STILL WAY OFF EVEN WITH WHAT'S PROPOSED.

AND IF WE'RE NOT IN A HURRY, THEN I WOULDN'T BE LOOKING FOR MORE THAN LIKE A $5 INCREASE RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE PEOPLE ANGRY WHEN WE'RE NOT EVEN ACHIEVING OUR GOALS.

SURE. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN.

WHAT'S. THANK YOU.

A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE CLEANING FEE.

MAYBE I SHOULD BACK UP. SO WHEN THERE'S AN EVENT WHEN A GROUP ASKS TO RENT A FACILITY, LET'S.

WE GOT AN EMAIL FROM SOMEBODY ABOUT, LET'S SAY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP, WHICH IS A RECOGNIZED NEIGHBORHOOD, OR SOMEBODY OVER IN SOUTHEAST DENTON SAID.

IF THEY'RE RENTING CITY FACILITIES FOR THOSE TYPE OF GROUPS, I BELIEVE WE CHARGE THEM FOR THOSE FACILITIES.

IS THAT CORRECT? SURE.

CHRISTINE TAYLOR, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

SO SEPARATE FROM THE FEE SCHEDULE IN 2018.

THE COUNCIL, WE HAVE A ROOM USE POLICY FOR FACILITY USE, SO THERE'S KIND OF PRIORITY IN WHICH GROUPS CAN USE IT.

CIVIC GROUPS ARE ON THERE.

AND SO I DID RECEIVE THAT QUESTION.

I WAS GOING TO PREPARE SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND GET IT BACK TO COUNCIL IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO LOOK INTO.

BUT THE APPLICABLE FEES THAT THEY WOULD PAY IS ONLY IF THEY WERE WANTING TO USE THE BUILDING IN THE EVENING, AND THERE'S A NEED FOR STAFF TO STAY AFTER HOURS.

BUT IF CIVIC GROUPS ARE USING THEM DURING THE DAY, THERE'S NOT A FEE.

AND THAT POLICY KIND OF OUTLINES IN WHICH WE EVALUATE THAT.

SO QUESTION RECEIVED, I'LL SEND SOME FOLLOW UP INFORMATION TO COUNSEL ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE WANT TO CONSIDER A POLICY EXEMPTION.

SO LET'S SAY ONE OF THESE CIVIC GROUPS THAT LIES WITHIN THIS POLICY THAT WAS PASSED A FEW YEARS BACK RENTS IT FOR THE DAY.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO IT IS.

SO DOES THE CLEANING FEE APPLY TO THEM OR.

NO, NO, IN OTHER WORDS.

BUT OUTSIDE OF THEM, WHOEVER RENTS A FACILITY FROM THE CITY, WHETHER IT'S DURING THE DAY OR AFTER HOURS, THERE WOULD BE A $250 CLEANING FEE FOR THAT GROUP.

IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? NO.

SO THE POLICY TALKS ABOUT IF YOU'RE USING THAT ROOM, THEN YOU'RE JUST CLEANING IT UP, PUTTING IT BACK IN PLACE AFTER THE FACT THAT FEE IS MORE IS TARGETED TOWARDS WEDDINGS, PARTIES THAT ARE BEING HELD AT THE CIVIC CENTER.

AND THAT'S JUST OUR CONTRACTED RATE WITH OUR OUR CUSTODIAL CONTRACT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT.

APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.

OKAY. ANY OTHER MAYOR PRO TEM? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

SO. KIND OF JUMPING OFF OF THE POINT THAT COUNCILOR MELTZER WAS SAYING ABOUT THE THE INCREASE IN SOME OF THE FEES. I REMEMBER IN PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE WE WENT TO THESE THE SORT OF COST RECOVERY MODELS THAT WE WERE, WE WERE FOCUSING ON.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE ASKED ABOUT IN THE PAST WAS THE IMPACT ON USAGE.

SO DO WE HAVE ANY STATISTICS ON, AS WE'VE CHANGED TO THE DIAGONAL SPECTRUM THAT YOU SHOWED IN THE FIRST OR SECOND SLIDE, DO WE HAVE ANY STATISTICS ON ON USAGE CHANGES AND HOW PARTICULAR SWEET SPOTS ON THAT SPECTRUM ARE INCENTIVIZING USE, WHICH IS GENERALLY THE THE GOAL OF CITY FACILITIES VERSUS COST RECOVERY FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING IT.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T WE DON'T WANT TO GET WHERE WE'RE DISINCENTIVIZING THE USE OF OUR FACILITIES.

SO DO WE HAVE ANY NUMBERS ON THAT? WE DID LOOK AT USAGE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO.

CHANGES. GARY PACKAN, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUESTION, THERE'S A LOT OF IMPACTS THAT IMPACT USAGE, WHETHER IT'S ECONOMY, COVID, WE'VE BEEN SENSITIVE ON ADJUSTING FEES TO AGGRESSIVELY COMING OUT OF COVID BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE BACK IN THE PROGRAMS. ALL OF OUR MAJORITY OF OUR PROGRAMS ARE GROWING.

THAT'S OBVIOUSLY HOPEFULLY A POSITIVE SIGN.

WE DO TAKE FEEDBACK FROM CUSTOMERS THROUGH SURVEYS, EXIT INTERVIEW SURVEYS WITH THEM AS WELL TO SEE WHERE THAT BALANCE IS.

I CAN'T TELL YOU THERE'S ONE THING THAT'S IMPACTING WHETHER SOMEONE'S PARTICIPATING OR NOT, BUT WE DO HEAR IF THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE PROGRAM, IF THE INSTRUCTOR IS AN ISSUE, THERE'S MULTIPLE FACTORS THAT IMPACT SOMEONE'S HAPPINESS WITH THE PROGRAM AND THE SUCCESS OF A PROGRAM.

BUT EVERY THREE YEARS WE GO THROUGH AND WE SCRUB ALL OF OUR NUMBERS AGAIN, AND WE'RE DUE THIS YEAR FOR THAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN, TO LOOK AT WHAT'S IMPACTING OUR PROGRAMS. IS IT A POINT IN LIFE WHERE THE PROGRAM NEEDS TO GO AWAY, OR DOES IT NEED TO BE REDEVELOPED, OR IS IT ON A GOOD PACE? DO WE CONTINUE? THERE'S A LIFE CYCLE FOR EACH PROGRAM, SO THIS YEAR WE'RE SUBJECT TO GO THROUGH THAT ENTIRE PROCESS AGAIN.

AND THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME ACTUALLY POST COVID THAT WE'VE DONE THAT WITH ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS. SO WE TRY TO EVALUATE OURSELVES ON A REGULAR BASIS AND LOOK AT ALL THOSE METRICS TO HELP MAKE DECISIONS.

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BUT THERE'S NOT JUST ONE SPECIFIC THING THAT SAYS, OKAY, THIS IS AN ISSUE.

THERE'S USUALLY MULTIPLE FACTORS.

AND I'LL SAY, THE REASON I ASK THAT QUESTION IS, AS YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IN IN EVERY SERVICE THAT THE CITY PROVIDES COMPLAINS ABOUT THE FEE STRUCTURE OF THAT SERVICE.

AND SO THE I UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF ARE DOING THE BEST THAT THEY POSSIBLY CAN TO SET AN APPROPRIATE FEE STRUCTURE FOR THAT SERVICE.

SO, SO FOR PARKS, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT SAYS THEY'RE MAD ABOUT THE TENNIS AND GOING UP 40% OR, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE JUST PUT A NEW FACILITY IN, WE HAVE TO RECOVER THAT.

THERE HAS TO BE SOME COST RECOVERY ON SERVICING THOSE NEEDS.

BUT YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, THE THE THERE IS ONGOING ENNUI ABOUT THE AQUATICS FEES AND THE THE ACCELERATION OF THOSE FEES.

AND SO IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T SAY AT THIS COST RECOVERY POINT OR RATIO THAT THAT ISN'T THE RIGHT NUMBER.

THE QUESTION, I GUESS, IS WHY ARE WE OR ARE WE BEING CAREFUL, AS YOU SAID, TO NOT TO AGGRESSIVELY SET OUR FEES BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR WAS A ON DOUBLING.

VERSES A MORE GRADUAL RAMP UP.

WE DO NOT WANT TO DISINCENTIVIZE OUR AQUATICS PROGRAM WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO EXPAND IT TO ADDITIONAL POOLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, SO I GUESS THAT'S MY CONCERN.

CAN YOU MAYBE COMMENT ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? SO WE'VE WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF INCREASING FEES A LITTLE BIT EVERY YEAR, ESPECIALLY COMING OUT OF COVID.

WE WERE TRYING A LITTLE BIT MORE RELUCTANT TO TO ADJUST FEES, SO THERE'S LESS OF A SHARPNESS TO IT.

OBVIOUSLY OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, JUST IN PAYROLL ALONE ARE INCREASING.

OUR COSTS HAVE GONE UP QUITE A BIT WITH SALARY ADJUSTMENTS, SO WE'RE TRYING TO ANTICIPATE THAT AS WELL.

THE COST RECOVERY PERCENTAGE YOU SEE HERE ARE ACTUALLY 2021 NUMBERS.

IF I'M IF I'M CORRECT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF A FALSE POSITIVE.

SO THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT SINCE IT'S BASED OFF OF OLDER NUMBERS.

AND WE'LL GET THAT UPDATED THE THE PASS THAT SPECIFIC PASS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU TAKE ALL THE PASSES TOGETHER FOR THE CIVIC CENTER POOL, THE NATATORIUM AND WATERWORKS PARK, IT'S STILL CHEAPER THAN THAT.

IT'S THAT WAS MORE OF A PHILOSOPHICAL ADJUSTMENT THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AGAIN BEFORE WE COME BACK TO YOU GUYS AND GIVE YOU A FOLLOW UP AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THAT SPECIFIC ITEM. YEAH, I'D APPRECIATE THAT.

I JUST I'M TRYING I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT FOR THIS RATIO, THAT'S A NUMBER.

I MEAN IT'S JUST FALLING OUT ON YOUR COST RECOVERY MODEL.

SO I'M NOT I'M NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THE MATH THAT YOU'RE DOING.

I, I'M SAYING IS IT MEETING OUR LARGER GOALS OF OF USAGE.

AND CAN I GET SOME, SOME DATA TO TAKE BACK TO THE PUBLIC THAT SAYS, YES, BECAUSE THE ARGUMENT IS GOING TO BE MADE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD WE SHOULD SEND MORE TO THIS TO.

NO, HE JUST GOT RID OF PART.

SO GENERAL FUND WE SHOULD WE SHOULD SHIFT THE RATIO TO OFFSET THESE COSTS WHILE STILL HAVING YOU MEET YOUR OPERATIONAL NEEDS.

AND SO THAT THAT WILL BE THE FEEDBACK THAT I GET FROM THE PUBLIC THAT MANY OF US WILL GET FROM THE PUBLIC.

SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW.

YEAH, IF I COULD GET SOME, SOME, SOME BACKUP FOR WHY THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE RATIO AND, AND HOW WE'RE NOT DISINCENTIVIZING TO FROM AGGRESSIVE FEE STRUCTURES.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, GARY, WHILE YOU'RE THERE, I BELIEVE.

WELL, LET ME ASK THE QUESTION FIRST.

ARE WE WITH THIS GOING AWAY FROM THE VOLUME KIND OF PURCHASE APPROACH, DOES THIS ALLOW US TO GO BACK TO WHAT WE HAD THAT WAS SUCCESSFUL, THAT A PREVIOUS COUNCIL CHANGED AND REALLY WAS A PROBLEM YOU USED TO DO? I MUST SAY IT'S GOING TO SOUND ANTIQUATED COUPONS AND THAT WAS OR DISCOUNTED DAYS, THAT SORT OF THING.

THAT WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL MODEL.

AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL SAID NO, GO TO A FLAT FEE RATE.

AND THAT WAS MET AFTER THE FACT WITH NO ONE LIKED IT.

RIGHT. THEY WANTED THEIR, THEIR THE DISCOUNTED DAYS, THAT SORT OF THING BACK.

SO MY QUESTION IS, DOES THIS CHANGE ALLOW US TO GO BACK TO YOU DOING SOME DISCOUNTED WEDNESDAYS.

AND THAT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.

WE STILL HAVE DISCOUNT.

WE ALSO BEEN TO THE PAST IS BUILT IN BRONZE, SILVER LIKE PLATINUM TYPE PACKAGES WHERE YOU GET MULTIPLE THINGS ADDED TO THAT PACKAGE, WHERE YOU GET DISCOUNTS THAT ARE KIND OF BUILT IN AS WELL. SO WE STILL OFFER THAT INCENTIVE AT VARIOUS TIMES.

[01:45:03]

OKAY. YEAH. BUT SO TAKING THAT A STEP FURTHER, DOES THIS ALLOW GREATER FLEXIBILITY IF YOU HAVE OR IS IT GOING TO BE THE SAME.

AND I DON'T I MEAN MATTERS NOT JUST WANT TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND.

CAROLINE SEWARD. BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION.

MANAGER, PARKS AND RECREATION.

AS PART OF THE SCHEDULE OF FEES, WE HAVE OUR DISCOUNTS LISTED IN THE BACK.

SO I THINK IT'S EXHIBIT 2 OR 3 AND FOUR.

WE HAVE OUR AQUATIC DISCOUNTS SO WE CAN ADD ADDITIONAL AQUATIC DISCOUNTS TO OUR SCHEDULE OF FEES, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PROPOSED ADDITIONAL AQUATIC DISCOUNTS FOR THIS YEAR.

BUT WE CAN ADD SOME.

OKAY. SO THE SO THE QUESTION IS DOES THE IF YOU GO AWAY FROM THE FOUR PASSES AND YOU GET THE $35, DOES THAT OPEN UP NEW OPPORTUNITIES OR WOULD YOU ADVISE AGAINST IT AND SAY NO, JUST THE AQUATICS PROMOTIONAL DISCOUNTS LISTED HERE AS PAGE 11 OF 11 YOU WOULD RECOMMEND.

BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK, WE COULD MAKE THE CHANGES AND ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED.

OKAY. I'D SAY MAYOR, THEY I MEAN, I THINK AT ANY TIME GARY COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A HOT SUMMER.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO DO A COUPLE OF DAYS WHERE IT'S HALF PRICE SWIM OR, YOU KNOW, SO THEY DON'T GET OVERWHELMED AND NOT HAVE ENOUGH GUARDS.

BUT I THINK HE ALWAYS HAS THAT FLEXIBILITY TO TO LOOK AT WHAT HE CAN DO TO, TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S GETTING A CHANCE TO GET TO THE POOLS.

AND WHEN WE DO OFFER SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT, WE DEFINITELY TRY TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO COME UP AHEAD OF TIME IN THE FRIDAY REPORT SAYING IF HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR ISSUES WITH THAT, LET US KNOW.

YEAH, NO.

AND AND I TAKE THAT POINT AND I JUST SAY I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CAPTURING WHAT WE NEED TO CAPTURE TO FUNCTION ONE.

RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE THING.

EITHER WE WANT TO COST RECOVERY MODEL OR NOT.

BUT BUT BEYOND THAT JUST MAKING SURE WE DON'T HAVE TO.

I DON'T WANT TO FEED PEOPLE.

SO WE HAVE THE COOLER FEE.

RIGHT. AND THAT WAS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SOME RIPPLING EFFECT.

NOT NOT THAT BAD, BUT BUT JUST KIND OF WANT TO MAKE SURE WE MITIGATE.

NEW FEES BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE'RE NOT RECOVERING, SO WE NEED THIS FEE OR THAT FEE.

SO JUST IF WE HAVE THE TWO, THAT'S GREAT.

BUT WE WANT TO TRY TO CHARGE WHAT WE NEED TO CHARGE TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE TO.

OH, BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S LAUNDRY IS GETTING TOUGH, RIGHT? SO WE NEED A TOWEL FEE.

RIGHT. AND SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF MAKE SURE YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

AND THEN ALSO MINDFUL THAT WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND.

RIGHT. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND.

AND THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A COST AND DIDN'T HIRE US USING.

MAYBE THERE'S A DIFFERENT RECOVERY MODEL THERE THAT FACTORS IN.

SO JUST MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYTHING.

AND WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR ALL THE THE DIFFERENT INPUTS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE IT.

SO OKAY THAT'S THAT'S GOOD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

SEEING NONE OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.

THAT THE THE ITEM.

SEE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE UP BECAUSE COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE IS NOT HERE.

THAT TAKES US TO OUR CLOSED SESSION.

[1. Closed Meeting:]

CAN I TROUBLE YOU FOR THAT CHEAT SHEET? I MEANT TO ASK YOU EARLIER.

AND SO WE'LL SET THE ROOM FOR FOR CLOSED.

SO IF WE LOWER THE BLINDS AND THEN TURN OFF THE SHADE LIGHTS, THEN IT AT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW AT 8:19 P.M., CONVENE.

THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

THAT'S THE TIME TIMER I WAS ABOUT TO SAY 350.

AND THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW, AT 3:50 P.M., CONVENE IN CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE THE CLOSED MEETING ITEMS SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING ITEM A ID 23203 FOR CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 AND ITEM B, ID 232073.

CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071.

LET'S TAKE A QUICK TEN MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK AT FOUR.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. HELLO AND WELCOME BACK TO THIS CITY.

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

WELCOME BACK TO THIS MEETING.

THE CITY COUNCIL IS NOW AT 430, RECONVENED FROM CLOSED SESSION, AND NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN.

THAT THEN TAKES US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

I WILL TAKE A MOTION.

NOTHING WAS PULLED.

MAYOR PRO TEM. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

COUNCILMAN BYRD SECOND IS A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BYRD.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

THE. THAT PASSES 6 TO 0 TAKES US TO.

[01:50:07]

AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING, OUR PUBLIC HEARING IS THE ONLY ITEM THAT WILL START AT 630.

WE'LL EXHAUST THE OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

AND FOR MY PEERS HERE, WE WILL TAKE UP CONSENT AFTER THE ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

YEAH. CONCLUDING ITEMS I'M SORRY.

AFTER THE ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

SO YOU CAN BE THINKING ABOUT THOSE THINGS.

ITEM A IN THE UNDER THE ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION IS ID 231426.

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton to declare the intent to reimburse capital program expenditures of General Government ($115,883,425), the Solid Waste Utility ($7,080,000), the Water Utility ($82,751,072), the Wastewater Utility ($55,960,396), and the Electric Utility ($82,549,689) with Tax-Preferred Obligations (Certificates of Obligation and General Obligation Bonds) with an aggregate maximum principal amount not to exceed $344,224,582; and providing an effective date.]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON TO DECLARE THE INTENT TO REIMBURSE CAPITAL PROGRAM EXPENDITURES OF GENERAL GOVERNMENT, THE SOLID WASTE UTILITY, THE WATER UTILITY, THE WASTEWATER UTILITY AND ELECTRIC UTILITY.

GOOD AFTERNOON. RANDY KLINGLE, TREASURY MEASURE MANAGER, TRYING TO CATCH MY BREATH FROM RUNNING DOWN THE HALL.

SO BEAR WITH ME ON THAT.

HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION TODAY OF AN ANNUAL PROCESS THAT WE HAVE ANYTIME THAT WE ARE GOING OUT FOR BOND SALE.

SO FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE REIMBURSEMENT ORDINANCE, WE DO IT BECAUSE THE IRS DICTATES THAT WE DO.

WE WANT TO SHOW THE INTENT TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE INTEND TO REIMBURSE OURSELVES FROM FUTURE BOND PROCEEDS ON ANY PROJECTS THAT WE START NOW WITH THE CASH RESERVES THAT WE HAVE ON HAND. IN ADDITION, IT IS OUR GOAL TO HAVE THE BOND SALE WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF THIS THIS BOND ORDINANCE.

EXCUSE ME, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO DO IT REIMBURSEMENT ORDINANCE.

AND WE DO LIKE TO HAVE IT BY THE END OF OUR FISCAL YEAR.

SO NORMALLY OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THE SALE CLOSED BY JULY.

AND LASTLY, OUR DEBT POLICY DOES ALLOW FOR THIS REIMBURSEMENT PROCESS TO HAPPEN.

SO TODAY WHAT I HAVE IS A LIST OF ALL THE PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE SEEN RECENTLY.

THEY ARE ALL THE SAME LIST OF CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT YOU APPROVED ON SEPTEMBER 26TH WITH THE BUDGET.

SO YOU WILL SEE NOTHING DIFFERENT.

I WILL NOT GO THROUGH THAT LIST, BUT YOU WILL SEE THEM FLASH SHORTLY ON THE SCREEN.

ALSO, ON YOUR EYES, YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF NARRATIVE SENTENCES IN YOUR BACKUP TO DESCRIBE KIND OF AN OVERALL PICTURE OF WHAT THESE EXPENSES ARE ARE GOING TOWARDS.

SO THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE HAVE ARE THE GEO FUNDED PROJECTS FOR THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM.

THESE ARE STILL PROPOSITION ONES IN THE STREET SECTION FOR $35.6 MILLION.

THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT FUNDED PROJECTS.

WE HAVE TWO LITTLE BUCKETS OF MONEY HERE.

WE HAVE INTERNAL SERVICES FOR 3.3 MILLION, AND THEN WE HAVE A LONGER LIST FOR THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT ITEMS, AND THEY'RE TAKING ON A LOT, A LOT OF OTHER PROJECTS THIS YEAR THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN THE PAST OR CONTINUE FROM OTHER THINGS, INCLUDING SUCH FUNDS LIKE FACILITIES, PARKS AND REC TRAFFIC, MOTOR POOL, TECH SERVICES, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

AND THIS LIST AGAIN IS A BUDGETED LIST AND IT'S IN YOUR BACKUP AS WELL IN THE ORDINANCE.

SO THE TOTAL FOR THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT COSTS IS $80,283,425.

MOVING ON TO THE UTILITIES.

WE HAVE THE SOLID WASTE BUDGET OF ALMOST A LITTLE BIT OVER $7 MILLION FOR THEIR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN BUDGET.

THIS YEAR. WE HAVE THE WATER PROJECTS.

YOU SEE FOR THE $82.7 MILLION WASTEWATER IS COMING IN AT $55.9 MILLION FOR THEIR BUDGET THIS YEAR FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. AND LASTLY, WE HAVE ELECTRIC AT $82.5 MILLION.

SO IN SUMMARY, FOR THE ENTIRE REIMBURSEMENT ORDINANCE IS $344,224,582.

AND OUR NEXT STEPS.

I'LL COME BACK TO YOU GUYS IN APRIL.

WE'LL ADOPT A NOTICE OF INTENT FOR THE CEOS.

I WILL BRING YOU THE SAME LIST, POSSIBLY AND HOPEFULLY REDUCED AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

AND THE BUDGET DEPARTMENT, ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, KIND OF LOOKED AT WHAT THEIR ACTUAL EXPENDITURES ARE AFTER THE CLOSE OF THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR AND WHAT IS REALLY DOABLE, WE'LL HOPE TO REDUCE THAT NUMBER.

AND THEN IN MAY, I WILL COME BACK WITH A PARAMETERS ORDINANCE WITH THE FINAL LIST OF WHAT.

WE'LL BE GOING OUT FOR SALE IN JUNE, AND THEN WE WILL RECEIVE THE PROCEEDS IN JULY.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MAYOR PRO TEM. YEAH, THIS THIS IS MORE OF A REQUEST FOR FOR FUTURE DOCUMENTATION.

I WE'VE ALL SEEN THESE THINGS AND YOU'VE PRESENTED THESE THINGS BEFORE.

SO THE GENTLE REQUEST FOR THE PUBLIC IS FOR THINGS THAT HAVE THE SAME NAME.

SERVICE CENTER HAD 3 OR 4 FIT IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

COULD WE FOR THEIR UNDERSTANDING, COULD WE ADD LIKE A SUBTITLE TO THAT ITEM OR SOMETHING WHERE IT'S CLEAR WHAT WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GENERAL GOVERNMENT VERSUS WATER, WASTEWATER VERSUS FOR THINGS THAT HAVE THE SAME TYPE NAME, WE SEE THAT FOR TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER ONES WHERE THEY THIS IS I MEAN, IF WE CAN'T IF THERE'S SOME STATUTORY REASON, THEN OKAY.

[01:55:01]

BUT THIS IS JUST FOR CLARITY FOR THE PUBLIC, THEY'RE LISTED AS ONE PROJECT IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET.

AND THEN YOU SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT FUNDING TYPES.

SO IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET YOU SEE IT AS ONE PROJECT WITH MULTIPLE FUNDING TYPES FOR THIS ORDINANCE.

YOU'RE SEEING IT BY THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FUNDING.

BUT IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET IS LISTED EXACTLY AS YOU DESCRIBE IT.

OKAY, THEN.

ALL RIGHT. I'M FINE THEN.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. AND SO WE WOULD VOTE ON THIS AND THEN YOU'LL BRING IT BACK.

WE VOTE AGAIN. YES.

THIS WILL ALL WE NEED TO VOTE ON IN HERE.

AND I'LL BRING SOMETHING DIFFERENT FORWARD LATER.

PERFECT. COUNCILMAN WHAT'S A MOTION TO APPROVE? COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD SECOND.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER WHAT'S SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER BYRD.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SIX ZERO.

THAT TAKES US TO CONCLUDING ITEMS.

[B. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas authorizing the expenditure of funds for the payment of wholesale transmission charges in the total amount of $7,064,597.73, and providing an effective date.]

ANY CONCLUDING ITEMS? OH, DID I DO B? I THOUGHT THAT WAS.

OH, THAT WAS JUST A I GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF.

SORRY. THAT'S ASPIRATIONAL.

ID 231949.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS FOR PAYMENT OF WHOLESALE TRANSMISSION CHARGES IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF $7,064,597.73. THIS.

HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF FINANCE, AND WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS TRANSMISSION.

COST OF SERVICE.

SO WE'RE BRINGING THIS FOR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES.

THIS AROUND $7.1 MILLION HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

SO THESE ARE ALL THE COSTS THAT THE CITY WOULD BE PAYING FOR USING OTHER ENTITIES, ASSET OR OTHER SERVICE PROVIDER IN ERCOT.

AND THE NEXT SLIDE KIND OF REPRESENTS THE SAME THING, EXCEPT ON HERE.

THERE ARE SOME OTHER PROVIDERS ON HERE THAT ARE UNDER THE $50,000 THRESHOLD THAT WE WANT TO DISCLOSE.

AND AND AGAIN, FOR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES HERE, ALONG WITH THE $7.1 MILLION FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.

THAT'S IT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

SEEING NONE COUNCILWOMAN WATTS.

MOVE FOR APPROVAL. COUNCILMAN BYRD SECOND.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. GOOD JOB.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

THAT PASSES SIX ZERO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO CONCLUDING ITEMS.

[A. Under Section 551.042 of the Texas Open Meetings Act, respond to inquiries from the City Council or the public with specific factual information or recitation of policy, or accept a proposal to place the matter on the agenda for an upcoming meeting AND Under Section 551.0415 of the Texas Open Meetings Act, provide reports about items of community interest regarding which no action will be taken, to include: expressions of thanks, congratulations, or condolence; information regarding holiday schedules; an honorary or salutary recognition of a public official, public employee, or other citizen; a reminder about an upcoming event organized or sponsored by the governing body; information regarding a social, ceremonial, or community event organized or sponsored by an entity other than the governing body that was attended or is scheduled to be attended by a member of the governing body or an official or employee of the municipality; or an announcement involving an imminent threat to the public health and safety of people in the municipality that has arisen after the posting of the agenda. B. Possible Continuation of Closed Meeting topics, above posted.]

ANY CONCLUDING ITEMS? COUNCILMAN BYRD. YES.

I AM VERY PROUD TO SAY THAT WE'RE STILL CONTINUING ON WITH OUR QUAKERTOWN PROJECT.

WE MET THIS WEEKEND, THIS SATURDAY AT 330 TO VIEW A FILM, AND ALSO TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR NEW.

I WANT TO SAY IT'S A COMMERCIAL OR AN INTRODUCTION TO OUR CROWDFUNDING PROCESS.

SO WE'RE IN PHASE TWO.

I THINK WE'RE JUST MOVING FORWARD AND WE'RE IN THE CROWDFUNDING PROCESS.

PLEASE LOOK US UP ON YOUTUBE.

DENTON YOUTUBE TV.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED.

AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

I'M, I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE NOW MOVING FORWARD WITH ADDING SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY HOLDERS.

OUR LARGER COMMUNITY HOLDERS ARE OUR CITIZENS ARE DONATING.

AND NOW WE'RE GOING FORWARD TO ASK FOR OUR OTHER COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO START DONATING.

AND, YOU KNOW, SO LET'S JUST KEEP GOING.

LET'S KEEP GOING. LET'S GIVE THESE ANCESTORS, ANCESTORS OF QUAKERTOWN, THE RECONCILIATION THAT THEY DESERVE.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND HOPEFULLY THE THE WEATHER WILL WILL BACK OFF.

BUT WE HAVE A HORDE OF EVENTS FROM FROM NOW UNTIL SUNDAY.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD A NUMBER OF HALLOWEEN TOURS OF THE COURTHOUSE, AND WE HAD UNFORTUNATE CANCELLATION OF THE THE ANIMAL SHELTER TRUNK OR TREAT. I THINK THE AIRPORT IS STILL ON AND WE SO THERE'S THERE'S A NUMBER OF EVENTS I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TO DO WHATEVER ANTI RAIN DANCE THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE.

THE COFFIN RAIN RACES HAPPEN THIS WEEKEND, BUT THERE'S A HORDE OF ACTIVITIES.

I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO COME OUT A SATURDAY AND I'LL GIVE ONE EXTRA PLUG IS DENTON COUNTY IS DOING THEIR ARCHEOLOGY FAIR AT THE COMMUNITY MARKET.

[02:00:06]

IF YOU WANT TO COME OUT AND PARTICIPATE IN THAT AS WELL.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN HOLLAND.

THANK YOU. THE 41ST ANNUAL DENTON BREAKFAST KIWANIS TURKEY ROLL BICYCLE RALLY WILL BE HELD NOVEMBER 18TH.

41 YEARS.

WE SHOULD HAVE DONE A RIBBON CUTTING ON THAT SOMETIME EARLIER, BUT WE WERE REALLY BUSY.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT ON NOVEMBER 8TH.

NOVEMBER 8TH. WE'RE GOING TO CUT THE RIBBON FOR THE 41ST ANNUAL DENTON BICYCLE CENTER.

PARDON ME. I BEG YOUR PARDON? DENTON BREAKFAST.

KIWANIS TURKEY ROLL.

AND I WAS SPECIFICALLY ASKED TO INVITE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL TO ATTEND THE RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY.

MAYOR HUDSPETH HAS AGREED TO CUT THE RIBBON ASTRIDE A BICYCLE, GOING THREE, FOUR, FIVE MILES AN HOUR.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

SO I HOPE EVERYBODY WILL ATTEND THAT.

THAT'LL BE FUN. THAT'S AWESOME.

ASTRIDE. OH, MAN, I LIKE IT.

THAT'S A GOOD VERB. GOOD STATEMENT.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WHAT THAT IS.

I WAS NEVER GOOD AT DIAGRAMING SENTENCES.

WHENEVER YOU CAN. YES.

HECK, YES. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, MAYOR.

I'LL BE OUT ON FRIDAY.

AND WHILE I'M OUT, I'LL BE OUT FRIDAY.

SATURDAY. AND I'LL BE BACK SUNDAY ABOUT ONE.

I'M IN BOULDER, COLORADO FOR A FRIEND'S BIRTHDAY PARTY, BUT CHRISTINE TAYLOR WILL BE IN CHARGE.

MAN, THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

YEAH, IT IS FANTASTIC.

ENJOY. SAFE TRAVELS.

SO I HAVE A FEW THINGS I'LL RATTLE THROUGH PRETTY QUICK.

HOPEFULLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN AA DISCUSSION AMONGST THEIR STUDENTS AND KIND OF SOME FUTURE LEADERS AND JUST A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION.

SO I ENJOYED THAT LAST NIGHT AND JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF EVERYONE TO KIND OF HELP PULL THAT TOGETHER.

AND ALL THE STUDENTS THAT I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET AND TALK TO AND LEARN ABOUT.

SO I THANK THEM FOR THAT INVITATION.

A LOT OF US WENT TO THE DINNER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION EVENT LAST NIGHT, SO THAT WAS GREAT TO TO KIND OF FELLOWSHIP WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORS.

AND SO THAT WENT VERY WELL.

SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE TO PULL THAT TOGETHER AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION.

GREAT EVENT, AND THANK YOU ESPECIALLY TO THE HOST.

IT'S NO SMALL FEAT TO HOST THAT MANY PEOPLE AT YOUR HOME.

AND THEN I MEANT TO MENTION THIS LAST WEEK AND FORGOT.

SO WE HAVE A NEW COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, DUSTIN, WANT TO SAY WELCOME DUSTIN.

AND TO THE CITIZENS.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU WANT TO FOLLOW THE CITY OF DENTON'S SOCIAL MEDIAS, ETCETERA, NEWS, PRESS RELEASES, THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

YOU'LL SEE THOSE THINGS KICK UP AND YOU REALLY WANT TO.

THAT'LL BE A GREAT RESOURCE FOR YOU.

AND IT'S JUST IT'LL BE INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN HAVE USE, UNDERSTAND.

SO THAT'S GOING TO THAT'S GOING TO STEP UP AND IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU FOLLOW THOSE THINGS SO THAT YOU CAN BE UP TO SPEED ON WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HAVE ADVANCED NOTICE SO THAT YOU CAN GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK.

SO WELCOME, DUSTIN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR FOR ALL YOU'RE DOING.

SORRY I'M A WEEK LATE.

I'LL MAKE IT UP TO YOU.

AND ALONG THOSE LINES, OBVIOUSLY IT'S BEEN A TOUGH COUPLE OF WEEKS WITH JUST DIFFERENT DEATHS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND POLICE REPORTS, ETCETERA.

JUST KNOW THAT EVERYONE HERE, OUR PRIMARY FOCUS IS, IS OUR COMMUNITY SAFETY.

AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON THAT, CONTINUE TO WE HAVE TO SHARE THE INFORMATION, BUT JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THAT IS A THE TOP PRIORITY. IT'S WHAT WE'RE TASKED WITH DOING, AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE A FOCUS ON THAT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE FEELS SAFE HERE IN THE CITY OF DENTON, AND WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN TO TO ACHIEVE THAT.

HAD A GREAT EVENT.

I WANT TO THANK YOU. AND TO DAVID BROUGHTON, GOOD FRIEND, IF HE'S WATCHING.

SO, DAVID, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO WITH THE KEENEY SERIES.

IF YOU'VE NOT HEARD OF IT, IT'S JUST A SPEAKER SERIES THAT THEY PUT ON THIS THIS MONTH OR THIS EVENT.

LAST WAS KENDRA SCOTT.

I THINK SHE'S AMAZING.

SHE WAS A MOM TAKING HER KIDS AROUND TRYING TO SELL JEWELRY.

AND OBVIOUSLY AT THE END OF THE STORY IS GREAT, BUT JUST REALLY AN IMPACTFUL STORY AND GREAT, GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM HER AND UNDERSTAND ALL THAT SHE'S DOING. SO JUST THANK DAVID BROUGHTON FOR WHAT HE DOES YOU AND FOR WHAT THEY DO AND AND PUTTING THAT EVENT ON.

MASSIVE UNDERTAKING MET THE OWNERS OF RODEO GOAT AND I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE ONE OF THEM WAS A DHS GRAD.

AND SO HE BROUGHT HIS LEATHER JACKET TO THE RIBBON CUTTING.

IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE. I WAS LIKE, LOOK AT THAT.

AND SO REALLY, SO REALLY NEAT TO SEE SOMEONE FROM OUR COMMUNITY COME BACK.

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AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A NUMBER OF GREAT RESTAURANTS, BUSINESSES, ETCETERA.

BUT THAT JUST KIND OF MADE AN IMPACT ON ME TO SEE AN OLD DHS.

A JACKET. AND THEN I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE AND MAKE SURE IF I CAN GET THIS RIGHT TO THE AIR FORCE ROTC DETACHMENT 835 HERE AT UNT.

SO THEY HAD A LEADERSHIP LAB DISCUSSION.

AND IT'S GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

I MEAN, THE FUTURE OF DENTON AND THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY IS SO BRIGHT JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE AMAZING STUDENTS AND AMAZING YOUNG PEOPLE, BUT REALLY A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THEM. GREAT QUESTIONS.

SO I WANT TO SAY HELLO TO ALL THE FOLKS AT AIR FORCE ROTC DETACHMENT 835.

THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME.

AND THEN A LOT OF US WENT TO THE HEART AWARDS JUST RECOGNIZING LOCAL ARTISTS.

SO THAT WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO FELLOWSHIP, WANT TO LIFT UP GEORGINA NKOSI AND HOPE SHE CONTINUES TO RECOVER.

AND SHE'S SHE'S FANTASTIC FOR OUR COMMUNITY, DOING GREAT THINGS AND JUST WANT TO LET HER KNOW SHE'S TOP OF MIND.

THEN THE TREE GIVEAWAY MADE IT TO THAT.

THAT WAS FANTASTIC. OVER 700 TREES I THINK OVER 80 VOLUNTEERS.

AND IF YOU'VE NOT GONE TO DENTON TO THE REX, I THINK IT'S AT THE CIVIC CENTER WHERE THEY HAVE THE SHIRTS FOR SALE.

MAN, THEY HAVE SOME AMAZING T SHIRTS THAT ARE REALLY COOL.

SO WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THOSE, I GUESS THEY HAD A NEW ONE EVERY YEAR.

BUT GO TO THE CIVIC CENTER AND LOOK AT THOSE SHIRTS.

MIRACLE LEAGUE I MENTIONED THAT LAST WEEK.

WE'LL JUST FOLLOW UP. I WENT TO THAT, LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING THEM, LOOK FORWARD TO CONNECTING THEM WITH THE PARKS AND SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO.

JUST SO IMPACTFUL FOR THE PARENTS WITH CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES TO GET A BREAK FOR THE STUDENTS, TO GET THE KIDS TO GET TO PLAY.

THERE'S WALK UP MUSIC, THERE'S DANCING, THERE'S JUST IT'S JUST AN ABSOLUTE BLAST.

THEY'RE TRYING TO GROW IT HERE.

SO LOOK THEM UP DENTON MIRACLE LEAGUE AND PLUG IN IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.

AND LET'S SEE TWO MORE THINGS.

I GOT 3 OR 4 ROBERTSON RANCH GARAGE SALE, EVERYONE THAT WAS OUT THERE.

THANK YOU. I SPENT A LOT OF MONEY OUT THERE.

BUT WHAT I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT THEY VOLUNTEER.

SO THERE'S A GROUP THERE THAT WORKS WITH DIS.

THEY ADOPTED TWO SCHOOLS EVERY.

THE MONEY THEY RAISE GOES TO THOSE SCHOOLS, TO THOSE STUDENTS.

THE STUDENTS COME OUT AND WORK.

AND SO THERE'S JUST NO GREATER VOLUNTEER FORCE, I BELIEVE, THAN THAT ROBERTSON RANCH GROUP IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND SO I'M JUST ETERNALLY GRATEFUL FOR THEIR SERVICE IN OUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THE STUDENTS HAVE WHAT THEY NEED, THE OTHER VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS.

SO THEY JUST REALLY STEPPED UP IN A BIG WAY AND WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THEIR TIME AND ENERGY AROUND THAT.

AND I WANT TO SAY FIRST, ANGELA DIXON, I COULDN'T MAKE IT TO HER PARTY.

SO I WANT TO SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY A LITTLE LATE, BUT JUST REALLY WANTED TO TO MAKE SURE SHE I HOPE SHE HAD A GREAT BIRTHDAY AND WISH HER WELL, AND THEN I'LL PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE PUT SOME SOME SPACE BETWEEN THIS BUT GO RANGERS! SO I TRIED TO PAUSE A LITTLE BIT, CHIEF.

SO GIVE ME GIVE ME GRACE.

I SHOULD HAVE SEPARATED THAT.

BUT. SO THERE YOU HAVE.

WAKE UP EARLY VOTING JUST STARTED, SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GO OUT AND AND VOTE FOR THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS AND MAKE YOUR CHOICE ABOUT THE CITY'S BONDS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. OKAY.

AND SO WE ARE ADJOURNED TILL 630 TO TAKE UP OUR ONE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.

IT IS 449.

[A. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, approving a Specific Use Permit for a multifamily dwelling use on approximately 22.81 acres of land, generally located on the south side of Duchess Drive, approximately 742 feet to the west of Loop 288 in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s Official Zoning Map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof, providing for severability and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [4-2] to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Smith and second by Commissioner Cole. (S23-0005b, Olivo Apartments, Angie Manglaris)]

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

WE ARE RECONVENING OUR MEETING FROM EARLIER TODAY FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IT'S ONE ITEM THAT WILL TAKE UP THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

A6230005B HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS.

USE ON APPROXIMATELY 22.81 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF OF DUCHESS DRIVE, APPROXIMATELY 742FT TO THE WEST OF LOOP 288.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ANGIE MANGUEIRA, SENIOR PLANNER, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THIS IS 23 005B OLIVIA APARTMENTS.

THIS IS AN SP REQUEST FOR A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON A SITE THAT HAS APPROXIMATELY 22.81 ACRES OF LAND.

IT IS ZONED SC.

SC DOES REQUIRE THE APPROVAL OF AN SP FOR THE ALLOWANCE OF THE USE.

MULTIFAMILY. THE SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION.

IT DOES HAVE UPLAND HABITAT, UNDEVELOPED FLOODPLAIN, RIPARIAN BUFFERS, AND WATER RELATED ESA.