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[00:00:01]

GOOD AFTERNOON.

[WORK SESSION BEGINS AT 4:00 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION ROOM]

WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

IT IS TUESDAY, JANUARY 23RD, 2024, 4 P.M..

WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

THE FIRST THING IS PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT

[2. Requests for clarification of agenda items listed on this agenda for public hearing and individual consideration.]

AGENDA. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME, I APOLOGIZE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I DON'T HAVE ANY, BUT, I WANTED I DID HAVE A QUESTION.

I THINK IS IS FOR CLOSED SESSION BE, WHICH IS RELATED TO N, AND I JUST DIDN'T WANT US TO SKIP IT IF THERE WERE NO QUESTIONS ON N.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? NO. OKAY.

SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO SKIP CLOSED ITEM B BECAUSE IT'S RELATED TO CONSENT.

AND SOMETIMES WHEN THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ON A CONSENT ITEM, WE SKIP THAT ITEM IN THE CLOSED SESSION.

YES WE'RE GOING TO.

SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON N YOU'D NEED TO ASK THEM I BELIEVE THEIR THEIR BEST ASKED IN CLOSED AND IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

GOT IT. OKAY THEN YOU NEED TO PULL IT.

AM I RIGHT? YES.

WELL. OKAY.

THEN. THEN THAT'S WHAT IF THAT'S IF THAT'S THE ORDER OF EVENTS, THEN I APOLOGIZE.

BUT THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN BYRD I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT E THE, FOR THE TRAFFIC SAFETY GRANT PROGRAM FOR BLOOD DRAW SERVICES.

DO WE ALWAYS DEPEND ON A GRANT FOR THAT, OR IS THERE A BUDGET SET ASIDE? IF THERE IS NO GRANT FOR BLOOD DRAWS FOR DWI? GOOD AFTERNOON.

CHIEF DOUG SHOEMAKER WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND, I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE LOGAN, WHO IS THE BRAINS BEHIND THE OPERATION IN TERMS OF OUR GRANTS.

SO WE'VE OBTAINED GRANTS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PHLEBOTOMIST PROGRAM, AND THAT WAS INSTITUTED THROUGH THAT GRANT SPECIFICALLY.

AND THAT'S THAT'S BASICALLY HOW WE RUN THE OPERATION THROUGH THE STATE GRANT ITSELF.

YEP. LOGAN, DID I MISS ANYTHING? NO, JUST AS OF NOW.

THAT'S HOW WE'RE DOING IT.

SO IF WE WERE TO IF WE WERE TO NOT RECEIVE THE GRANT, DO WE HAVE PLAN B BACK UP FOR THIS AMOUNT? IS THAT USUALLY KIND OF SET ASIDE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? DO WE HAVE THE GRANT FUNDS ARE SPECIFICALLY EARMARKED FOR THAT PARTICULAR GRANT ITSELF IN THAT EFFORT.

SO FOR SOME REASON WE WERE NOT ABLE TO RECEIVE THAT.

THEN WE WOULD NEED TO PLAN ACCORDINGLY TO CONTINUE THE PHLEBOTOMIST PROGRAM.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

YES, MA'AM. AND WHILE YOU'RE THERE, CHIEF, I'LL JUST GIVE CREDIT TO YOU PREDECESSORS, ETC..

BUT I WAS IN WASHINGTON, DC, AND I WAS TALKING TO A MEMBER OF THE SECRET SERVICE FOR WHO WAS EVER DETAIL WAS TALKING TO US THAT DAY THAT LIVES IN FORMERLY LIVED IN FRISCO, TRANSFERRED TO WASHINGTON TO WORK.

BUT CREDIT WHERE CREDIT'S DUE, SHE SAID AND COMPLIMENTED.

SHE'S LIKE, OH, YOU'RE FROM DENTON.

Y'ALL DO A GREAT JOB WITH YOUR DWI PROGRAM.

AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE FROM WHATEVER SHE DID BEFORE IN THAT ROLE, BUT JUST TALKED ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP THEY HAVE WITH THE CITY OF DENTON WAS VERY COMPLIMENTARY. SO JUST WANTED TO PASS THAT ALONG.

APPRECIATE THAT. THE CREDIT GOES TO, LIEUTENANT WILLENBROCK, WHO'S OVER OUR TRAFFIC.

WELL, SEVERAL THINGS, BUT ALSO OVER TRAFFIC.

AND THEN SERGEANT DARREN BRIGGS, WHO IS NOW IN OUR ADMINISTRATIVE SERGEANT POSITION, BUT REALLY HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THAT.

SO THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DO THE WORK.

THEY'VE DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB WITH THINGS.

SO AGAIN, CREDIT TO ALL THOSE FOLKS.

YEAH. MUST HAVE I MEAN UNSOLICITED.

SO THAT WAS GREAT. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCILMAN MELTZER? YES. THANK YOU. CONSENT ITEM H IS RELATED TO WORK SESSION A, SO I'D LIKE TO PULL H SO THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAT COMES OUT OF OUR DELIBERATION IN THE WORK SESSION, THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACT ON IT.

ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, SO FOR STAFF.

FOR STAFF, SO THERE'S NO PRESENTATION ON H REQUESTED SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE ADVANCED NOTICE.

OKAY. SO I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING THE PRESENTATION ESSENTIALLY IN THE WORK SESSION.

SO THEN ITEMS FOR STAFF ITEMS IN, WHICH WE'LL GO AND TAKE US INTO CLOSED H HAVE BEEN PULLED.

SO, OKAY, THAT TAKES US TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION.

[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding amending Chapter 23 of the City Code - Police - Article VI, Section 23-177, Denton Police Department Chief of Police Advisory Board, to extend board member terms to three years, stagger board member terms, define what constitutes a term, and amend the board schedule and reporting procedures; and providing an effective date. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

[00:05:05]

THAT'S ITEM THREE, A ID 231945.

RECEIVE. REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION.

GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING REGARDING AMENDING CHAPTER 23 OF THE CITY CODE.

POLICE ARTICLE SIX, SECTION 23177 DENTON.

POLICE DEPARTMENT. CHIEF POLICE ADVISORY BOARD.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AGAIN, CHIEF DOUG SHOEMAKER.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS IS NOT SHOWING UP THERE.

MAYBE IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO.

YEAH. WE'LL GET RYAN.

CLICK AROUND. I'M SORRY FOR THE LACK OF TECH.

I'LL WORK ON THAT. OH, THERE WE GO.

I APPRECIATE IT. OH, YEAH.

MY BEST FRIEND. ALL RIGHT.

APOLOGIES FOR THE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES ON MY PART THERE.

SURE. YEAH. NO WORRIES.

THAT'S AS BAD AS IT GETS. I'LL TAKE IT.

INDEED. SO BASICALLY, WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS FOR THE CHIEF OF POLICE ADVISORY BOARD.

AS JUST TO REFRESH, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THE REQUEST THAT WAS SENT TO US WAS TO WORK WITH OUR ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS TO DETERMINE SPECIFICALLY SOME CHANGES THAT WERE MORE AMENABLE TO THE CONTINUANCE OF THE ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH INCLUDED A NUMBER OF THINGS, INCLUDING TERMS AND MEETING FREQUENCY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME FOR A FEW MOMENTS, I'LL GO THROUGH THAT PRESENTATION.

SO CURRENTLY, THE BOARD TERMS AS THEY STAND RIGHT NOW ARE ALL BOARD MEMBERS ARE SERVE TWO YEAR TERMS. THEY ARE NOT STAGGERED AND THEY ALL HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME.

THEY WERE APPOINTED THEY CAN BE NO MORE THAN, SORRY, THREE TERMS CONSECUTIVELY, BUT THEY WERE ALL APPOINTED ON APRIL 6TH OF 2021, AND THEY WERE EFFECTIVE MAY 1ST OF 2021 THROUGH APRIL 30TH OF 2023.

OBVIOUSLY THAT TIME HAS SINCE COME AND GONE.

SO THE ISSUE OF ADDRESSING THOSE TERMS AND THE LENGTH OF THOSE TERMS AND THE TIMING OF THOSE TERMS IS NOW IN FRONT OF US.

ADDITIONALLY, UNDER THE CURRENT BOARD TERMS, THE MEETINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HELD QUARTERLY, AND THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE BOARD CAN CALL A MEETING AS NECESSARY TO CONDUCT ANY OTHER BUSINESS THAT WOULD OR COULD NOT PERHAPS WAIT FOR A ONE OF THOSE QUARTERLY MEETINGS OF THE BOARD.

AS IT STANDS, THE BOARD'S ROLE NOW IS SEMIANNUALLY.

I HAVE TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE HAS TO CREATE A REPORT FOR PUBLIC RELEASE THAT DESCRIBES THE ROLE OF THE BOARD, INCLUDING ANY BITS OF WORK, RECOMMENDATIONS, MY RESPONSE AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE IMPLEMENTED BY THE CHIEF'S OFFICE, AND THEN PROVIDE THE COUNCIL WITH A PUBLIC BRIEFING ON THE CONTENTS OF THE REPORT.

SO IN THE DISCUSSION, WITH THE BOARD THEMSELVES, MOST RECENTLY, THERE IS A UNANIMOUS SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING. FIRST, ALLOW FOR STAGGERED TERMS FOR APPOINTMENTS TO THE BOARD TO AVOID WHAT WE WOULD CALL A WHOLESALE CHANGE IN THE BOARD COMPOSITION AT ONE TIME.

THIS WOULD AVOID PROBLEMS THAT WE WOULD HAVE AS STAFF TO CONDUCT THE SAME TRAINING FOR NEW BOARD MEMBERS ON A, ON A ON A FREQUENT BASIS.

SECONDARILY, THE ALLOWANCE FOR THREE YEAR TERMS WITH A MAXIMUM OF TWO OF THOSE CONSECUTIVE TERMS FOR BOARD MEMBERS.

THIS PROVIDES A LITTLE MORE CONSISTENCY AND CONTINUITY AND THEN ALLOW THE BOARD TO MEET NO LESS THAN TWICE PER YEAR RATHER THAN QUARTERLY, BUT MORE FREQUENTLY THAN QUARTERLY IF NEEDED. I WILL SAY THAT'S NOT IN THE PRESENTATION.

BUT AS A SIDE NOTE, IF THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT THE BOARD SHOULD OR COULD ADDRESS, WE CAN ALWAYS CALL A MEETING FOR THAT BETWEEN THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND AND THE BOARD CHAIRPERSON.

SO THAT CAN HAPPEN AT ANY TIME.

THAT'S NOT HAPPENED, BUT IT CAN HAPPEN.

NUMBER FOUR IS ALLOW THE CHIEF AND THE BOARD CHAIRPERSON TO AGREE TO CANCEL A BOARD MEETING IF THERE IS NO QUORUM.

PLEASE NOTE THE AND THERE IT'S NOT AN OR SO.

BOTH OF US HAVE TO AGREE TO CANCEL OR CANCEL THE MEETING.

AND THEN LASTLY, REPLACE THE SEMIANNUAL PUBLIC BRIEFING TO CITY COUNCIL AND THE WRITTEN PUBLIC REPORT BY THE POLICE CHIEF REGARDING THE BOARD'S WORK TO BE INCLUDED IN THE DEPARTMENT'S ANNUAL REPORT AND ANNUAL BRIEFING TO CITY COUNCIL, WHICH I BELIEVE WE HAVE, SLATED FOR APRIL 6TH OR SECOND, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THE FIRST MEETING IN APRIL, I BELIEVE.

WITH REGARD TO THE TERMS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, WE RECOMMEND STAGGERED TERMS. AND ALL APPOINTED MEMBERS SERVE THREE YEAR TERMS, WITH THE OPTION TO BE, REAPPOINTED UP TO ONE ADDITIONAL TERM FOR A CUMULATIVE TOTAL OF NO MORE THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS. CITIZEN MEMBERS APPOINTED BY DISTRICTS ONE THROUGH FOUR SHALL REMAIN IN THEIR POSITIONS TILL AUGUST 31ST OF 2025, WHILE THOSE APPOINTED FROM DISTRICTS FIVE, SIX AND BY THE MAYOR SHALL REMAIN IN THEIR POSITIONS.

AUGUST 31ST OF 2026.

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UPON THE EXPIRATION OF THESE TERMS, BOARD MEMBERS CAN SERVE A SUBSEQUENT TERM FOR THREE ADDITIONAL YEARS IN TOTAL, WITH A NEW TERM BEGINNING SEPTEMBER 1ST OF THAT YEAR.

AND THE COMPLETION OF THEIR INITIAL TERM.

IN OTHER WORDS, ALL THOSE WHO CURRENTLY SERVE, THAT THAT THAT EXISTING TERM DOES COUNT IN THE TERM LIMIT NUMBER.

SO ANY MEMBERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY SERVING ON THE BOARD ARE ALREADY SERVING ONE OF THEIR POTENTIAL TWO TERMS, JUST FOR CLARITY.

SO OUR NEXT STEPS AS DIRECTED IS RECEIVE IN FACT DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL.

AND WE AS A JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE, THERE'S ALSO ONE, VACANCY WHICH WILL NEED TO BE FILLED THROUGH THE ESTABLISHED APPOINTMENT PROCESS.

WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS MEMBERS OF COUNCIL MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

COUNCILMAN MCGEE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. DOCTOR SHOEMAKER, I KNOW THE NOTICE THAT YOU SAID IN TERMS OF CANCELLATION, YOU AND THE THE BOARD CHAIR HAVE TO AGREE.

BUT I KNOW THAT YOU CAN ALSO MEET MORE FREQUENTLY THAN THAN THE LIST OF TIME.

SO IS THAT ALSO A SITUATION WHERE YOU AND THE THE BOARD CHAIR HAVE TO HAVE AGREEMENT, OR CAN ONE OR THE OTHER OF YOU CALL A MEETING IF NEED BE? IF THE BOARD I THINK THE GENERAL RULE OF THINGS AS THEY GO IS IF THE BOARD CHAIR, I THINK EITHER ONE OF US CAN AND I THINK BOTH OF US WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT.

I DON'T FORESEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE.

SO IF, IF OUR CURRENT BOARD CHAIRPERSON CALLS ME AND SAYS, HEY, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A MEETING ABOUT THIS, OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE RISES TO THAT LEVEL THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, THEN EITHER ONE OF US WOULD BE FREE TO SUGGEST AND BE VERY OPEN DUE TO FREQUENT COMMUNICATION.

ANYWAY, ON HAVING THOSE TYPES OF MEETINGS.

AND ONE OTHER QUESTION, MR. MAYOR, IF I MIGHT. YEAH. THE THE CURRENT BOARD CHAIR FOR CONTINUITY PURPOSES.

HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK? SHE WOULD REMAIN, I BELIEVE, AS THE BOARD CHAIR UNTIL HER TERM IS UP.

AND I DON'T HAVE THE LIST IN FRONT OF ME, SO I'M NOT SURE WHO SHE'S APPOINTED BY NECESSARILY.

SO I APOLOGIZE THAT I DON'T.

I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. OKAY.

I JUST ASK FOR CONTINUITY PURPOSES.

I KNOW THAT'S IMPORTANT AS YOU'RE LEARNING TO STAGGER.

AND SHE'S EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO REMAIN IN THAT POSITION UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE TERM IS UP OR WHATEVER HAPPENS TO BE THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL.

OF COURSE. OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COUNCILMAN BYRD. I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I THINK I JUST NEED A CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE SEMIANNUAL VERSUS THE ANNUAL REPORT. GO BACK IN AND TELL ME AGAIN, FOR CLARIFICATION AS TO WHY.

SURE. I THINK BECAUSE AS OF THIS TIME, THERE HAVE BEEN NO RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE BOARD AND THERE'S BEEN NO REPORT OUT.

AND IN ORDER TO I THINK THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL WAS TO MAKE IT MORE WORKABLE FOR US TO FIGURE OUT TERMS AND ONBOARDING AND TRAINING.

AND SINCE WE'VE HAD NO REPORT OUTS, NO, TANGIBLE RECOMMENDATIONS AT ALL FROM THE BOARD AT THIS POINT, IT'S BEEN GREAT INVOLVEMENT, A LOT OF QUESTIONS DURING A LOT OF LEARNING AND A LOT OF GREAT DIALOG THROUGHOUT ALL THE MEETINGS.

BUT THERE'S BEEN NOTHING TO REPORT OUT.

AND MY CONCERN, AND I THINK THE CONCERN OF THE BOARD THEMSELVES, IS WHY TAKE THE TIME TO REPORT OUT ON SOMETHING THERE'S NOTHING TO REPORT OUT ON.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHY GO THROUGH ALL THE LEGISTAR? WHY GO THROUGH ALL THE REPORTING TO SAY WE HAVE NOTHING NEW TO REPORT? THANK YOU. SO THE THE QUESTION BECOMES, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PERMANENT? OR IF WE BEGIN TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S MORE TO REPORT, WILL WE GO BACK TO THE SEMIANNUAL OR ARE WE JUST SAYING ANNUAL PERIOD? I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A MINIMUM, BUT I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPORT OUT ON AN ISSUE IS ALWAYS THERE.

SO IF SOMETHING IS DISCUSSED THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL, I WOULD SAY THAT OBVIOUSLY RUN IT THROUGH THE ACM AND THE CITY MANAGER AND BRING IT FORWARD AT A COUNCIL AT ANY TIME. SO THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE TO DO IT.

IT'S MERELY A MINIMUM TO TO MINIMIZE AN EMPTY REPORT THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING.

I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THERE.

ABSOLUTELY. DOES THAT DID THAT SAY THAT ON THAT.

WRITTEN WAS THAT WRITTEN? I'M NOT SURE HOW THE ORDINANCE ITSELF IS WORDED.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE.

OKAY, I BACK UP MY CRONIG WENT, BUT OKAY, BECAUSE I DEFINITELY WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THERE, THEN IT STATES.

SO I THINK THE GOAL REALLY IS TO AGAIN BE ABLE TO.

AND THAT'S WHY I KIND OF DID A LITTLE ASTERISK AT THE END OF, I THINK, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHERE WE TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE FREQUENCY OF MEETINGS, THAT IF SOMETHING DOES COME UP, WE'RE ALWAYS ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND I WILL TELL YOU, WE HAVE WE HAVE A GREAT BOARD THAT ASKS.

THEY ASK TOUGH QUESTIONS.

THEY DIG DEEP INTO THINGS, THEY LEARN, THEY RESPOND.

AND SO I THINK THAT RELATIONSHIP IS A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BOARD.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE LOOK TO CONTINUE.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

COUNCILWOMAN MELTZER.

[00:15:03]

YEAH. NOT A QUESTION.

I'D JUST LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE CONTEXT AND SOME DIRECTION.

SURE. SO THIS ALL CAME ABOUT IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE GEORGE FLOYD MURDER AND ALL THE PROTESTS.

AND IT WAS REALLY QUITE AN OUTSTANDING SHOW OF LEADERSHIP FROM THEN MAYOR, WATTS, WHO, CONVENED THE MAYOR'S TASK FORCE ON.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WAS CALLED, MAYOR'S TASK FORCE ON USE OF FORCE, WHICH WAS A VERY WELL CHOSEN BROAD, GROUP OF OF, PEOPLE GIVING INPUT.

AND THEY MET FOR QUITE A WHILE.

AND THE ONLY RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WAS THE FORMATION OF THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

AND THE SPIRIT OF IT WAS, TO INCREASE THE LEVEL OF KIND OF DIRECTLY HEARING THE VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, AS A RESOURCE TO YOU, CHIEF.

AND, AND I HAVE TO SAY, I'M I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW EARNESTLY THIS HAS BEEN TAKEN UP AND THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO, HAVE THESE FOLKS HAVE ALL THIS TRAINING SO THEY CAN GIVE BETTER INPUT AND THAT YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE LONGER TERMS SO THAT YOU GET THE VALUE OUT OF THAT. AND THE DEGREE OF ENGAGEMENT THAT YOU DESCRIBE, I THINK IS, IS GREAT.

WHERE I TAKE ISSUE, I WAS ACTUALLY THE COUNCIL MEMBER AT THAT TIME WHO WHO INTRODUCED THE IDEA OF SEMIANNUAL REPORTS OUT, BECAUSE IT'S A CHECK AND A BALANCE AND IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.

IT COULD BE WHOEVER YOUR SUCCESSOR IS, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE THE WAY THE CONVERSATION WENT, FIRST, IT WAS ABOUT WHETHER THE COMMITTEE WOULD NEED TO HAVE TO ABIDE BY TOMA OR NOT.

AND IT WAS AND IT WAS JUST AGREED THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO ABIDE BY TOMA, THAT THEY COULD BE A CONFIDENTIAL COMMITTEE, SO THAT THEY COULD REALLY GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF CASES, THINGS YOU WOULDN'T OTHERWISE DEAL WITH IN PUBLIC.

SO, OKAY, UNDERSTANDABLE WHY THAT ALL NEEDS TO BE KIND OF SECRET.

BUT THEN THE CHECK IN THE BALANCE IS THE COMMUNICATION COMES BACK.

AND AND IF THERE IS SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT CONTROVERSIAL OF GREAT PUBLIC INTEREST, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR TO HEAR ABOUT IT.

SO IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME IN THE SLIGHTEST THAT I HOPE THEY'RE ALWAYS LIKE, HEY, NOTHING REALLY HAPPENED, NOTHING TO REPORT.

THAT'S THAT WOULD BE THE BEST CASE.

BUT I LIKE BUILDING IN THAT.

THERE IS THAT CHECKPOINT SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR IF THERE IS SOMETHING.

AND YES, I BELIEVE I HAVE 100% BELIEVE 150% BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, CHIEF WOULD WOULD BRING SOMETHING FORWARD, IF IT WERE OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE IT'S LIKE YOU SCHEDULE ELECTIONS EVERY FOUR YEARS.

YOU DON'T, LIKE, JUST TELL THE ELECTED OFFICIALS TO DECIDE.

WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN THEY'RE NEEDED.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A STRUCTURE.

SO I'M, I'M, PERSONALLY SUPPORTIVE OF EVERYTHING YOU'VE PROPOSED.

BUT I WOULD, BUT EXCLUDING THE CHANGE IN THE REPORTING STRUCTURE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING. I JUST WANT TO.

I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM.

SO THIS. THE BOARD'S BEEN UP AND RUNNING SINCE 2020.

RIGHT. BASED ON THE ORDINANCE THERE.

YEAH. IN THE BACK UP. SO THREE, THREE AND A HALF YEARS ROUND NUMBERS.

AND THEN THIS WAS DID THE AND I DON'T KNOW WHO ANSWERS THIS QUESTION.

DID THE BOARD GET PRESENTED WITH ANY.

THIS INFORMATION HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT TODAY.

SO THE THE DISTRICT THREE REP MENTIONS SUGGESTED CHANGES.

WAS THAT PRESENTED TO THE BOARD DURING THE MEETING OR PROVIDED TO YOU? WE WE ACTUALLY WE WE HAD THE THE A VERY LENGTHY MEETING ON DECEMBER 11TH WITH REGARD TO THIS WAS THE PRIMARY POINT OF DISCUSSION, AS WELL AS A KIND OF A LOOK FORWARD AND A LOOK BACK FOR 2023.

BUT THIS WAS THE PRIMARY POINT OF DISCUSSION.

AND IT WAS THE THE EXACT THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY WERE UNANIMOUSLY ENCOURAGED BY THE EXISTING BOARD.

RIGHT. SO THE THE CITIZENS WHO ARE CHARGED WITH DISSEMINATING THIS INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC, GATHERING THIS INFORMATION, ALL THE TRAINING, AWARE OF OPTIONS, UNANIMOUSLY, UNANIMOUSLY.

DECIDED THAT THEY WERE OKAY WITH THE ANNUAL REPORT.

THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY.

AND THAT'S SEVEN MEMBERS.

AND THEN AND IT WAS AN HOUR, 15 LONG, ONE HOUR, 15 MINUTES WAS THE MEETING LENGTH.

AND SO THAT'S NOTEWORTHY TO ME.

THAT'S A HEALTHY DISCUSSION.

IT'S NOT LIKE YOU SHOWED UP AND AND LEFT.

AND THEN ALSO I JUST WANT TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER I THINK YOU'VE MADE IT YOUR A POINT THE LAST AT LEAST THREE FOUR MONTHS TO BE MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT DISSEMINATING INFORMATION IF I'M NOT WRONG.

AND THAT'S WHY DUSTIN SITS WITH US AND THAT'S HE'S TASKED WITH BEING MORE ADDING THAT LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY.

[00:20:07]

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

WE HIRED A CHIEF COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER TO MAKE SURE THAT, ANYTHING OF ANY KIND OF IMPORTANCE, WHETHER IT'S PROMOTING SOMETHING OR IT'S INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF, EVEN IF IT'S ISSUES WITH STREETS OR SOMETHING, THAT WE'RE GETTING INFORMATION OUT TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL SO THAT YOU'RE NOT BOMBARDED BY RESIDENTS AND DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION READY AT YOUR READY.

RIGHT. SO IS THERE AN INSTANCE THAT YOU CAN THINK OF, OF SIGNIFICANCE THAT WOULD YOU'D WAIT A YEAR TO ROLL IT OUT TO US? NO. YEAH.

WHAT IS THERE AN INSTANCE IF IT RISES TO THE LEVEL, WOULD YOU WAIT TILL THIS COMMITTEE CONVENES TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT TO US? NO. AND THE POLICE CHIEF CERTAINLY HAS AUTONOMY TO JUST TO DISPERSE INFORMATION THROUGH HIS PUBLIC INFORMATION FOLKS AS WELL AS OURS.

WE WORK CLOSELY TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING OF ANY KIND OF IMPORTANCE, WHATEVER IT IS, IS PUT OUT THERE AS QUICKLY, AND AS CAREFULLY AS POSSIBLE.

AND THAT'S A FAIR POINT. I FORGOT ABOUT THAT.

SO HE HAD THE DEPARTMENT HAS ITS OWN, PUBLIC YES.

INFORMATION OFFICER.

THAT THEN ALSO PUTS OUT INFORMATION.

THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY.

GOT IT. I FORGOT ALL ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN MR. CITY ATTORNEY, IF IF AGAIN IF IT'S OF SIGNIFICANCE, YOU'RE SENDING OUT WEEKLY REPORTS, LEGAL CASES, CONCERNS, ETC., CORRECT? YES. WE GET THOSE IN THE LEGAL STATUS EVERY WEEK.

OKAY. THAT SATISFIES ME.

I JUST TO TO WRAP IT UP, WE HAVE SEVEN MEMBERS THAT WE APPOINTED THAT SAT FOR ONE HOUR AND 15 MINUTES AND DISCUSSED THIS VERY TOPIC.

I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH, IGNORING OR.

NOT TAKING THEIR REQUESTS, THEIR GUIDANCE.

I JUST THINK IT AT THE OUTSET SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE.

IF WE GET DOWN THE ROAD AND WE THINK, HEY, HERE'S SOME STATISTICAL DATA THAT SAYS WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER FROM THE DISTRICT, ONE THAT POINTS OUT THAT WE'RE NOT LOCKED INTO THIS.

EVERYONE ON RECORD HERE HAS SAID THAT WE'RE NOT LOCKED INTO SOMETHING.

IF IT'S WE GET WEEKLY LEGAL STATUS REPORTS, WE GET KEY ISSUE REPORTS, WE GET WEEKLY FRIDAY REPORTS.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS THEIR OWN PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER.

AND THEN IT'S BEEN THREE AND A HALF YEARS AS A TRACK RECORD TO SEE HOW IT'S GONE.

AND LORD KNOWS A LOT'S HAPPENED IN THREE AND A HALF YEARS, SO WHICH WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN THE NEXT THREE YEARS.

I MEAN, SO WE HAVE A GOOD SAMPLE SIZE, SO THERE'S NOT ENOUGH FOR ME TO BE CONCERNED TO THE LEVEL TO WHERE I'M GOING TO DISREGARD THOSE MEMBERS. I JUST THINK IT SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S MY POSITION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND EVERYBODY AND EVERYONE THAT WENT INTO THAT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? MAYOR PRO TEM. NOW I'M ASSUMING YOU NEED DIRECTIONS, MR. MAYOR. IS THAT CORRECT? NO, BECAUSE IT'S ON THE.

IT'S ACTION IS IT'S BEEN PULLED.

SO ACTION WILL BE THIS EVENING.

OH. ALL RIGHT. THEN THEN I HAVE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I DO THINK THERE'S NO.

WELL, I WILL SAY, AS I.

AS I FADE OUT, I WILL SAY THAT THERE'S NO HARM WITH EXTRA REPORTING.

SO IF THAT IS THE WILL OF COUNCIL, GREAT.

BUT, SO EXTRA DATA IS NEVER A PROBLEM.

HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT THE THE REPORTING YOU'VE SAID WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE AMOUNT OF TIME THERE WAS NOTHING TO REPORT.

WE'VE CURRENTLY IT REQUIRES TWO, TWO REPORTS A YEAR.

THE GOAL WAS TO HAVE ONE REPORT PER YEAR.

BUT WE'VE NOT HAD ANY REPORTING OUT SPECIFICALLY, ASIDE FROM AN UPDATE ON THE TRAINING THE BOARD'S RECEIVED AND THINGS WE'VE DISCUSSED.

BUT THERE HAVE BEEN NO RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO A CHANGE IN PRACTICES OR PROCEDURE FROM THE BOARD TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND THE TIME SINCE THE TIME IT WAS, BEGAN BACK IN 2020.

YEAH, BUT SO EXTRA DATA, THERE'S BEEN NO DATA.

RIGHT. AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO TRYING TO CAPTURE A TIME FRAME THAT, THAT RIGHT.

WHEN WE FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE PROVIDE THE ANNUAL UPDATE TO COUNCIL IN APRIL, IT'LL BE A SUMMARY OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD AND THE THINGS WE'VE DISCUSSED.

BUT THERE ARE NO ACTIONABLE ITEMS SPECIFICALLY FROM THE BOARD THAT HAVE BEEN DIRECTED OR ENCOURAGED FROM MEMBERS OF THE ADVISORY BOARD TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT RATHER JUST A REVIEW OF THE TRAINING THEY'VE RECEIVED AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, THEN, WE'LL TAKE IT UP.

IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION OR AFTER? AFTER CONSENT. SO THANK YOU, SIR.

THAT CONCLUDES ITEM A I KNOW YOU WERE THERE.

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TAKES US TO ITEM B ID 24004 RECEIVE REPORT HOLD DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON PENDING CITY

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on pending City Council requests for: 1) Request for a work session to discuss Narcan distribution and education (used for the emergency treatment of an Opioid overdose). 2) Request for a medium priority work session to discuss a resolution to support legislation similar to H.B. 870 and S.B. 1989, which would prohibit pet stores from selling dogs or cats unless they are obtained from an animal control agency, an animal shelter, or an animal rescue organization. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

COUNCIL REQUEST.

MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL.

CARLOTTA COWAN, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

I WILL BE REPORTING OR INTRODUCING THE CITY COUNCIL PENDING REQUEST FOR INFORMATION.

ALSO KNOWN AS THE TWO MINUTE PITCH.

THERE WE GO. COUPLE REMINDERS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.

THE REQUESTING COUNCIL MEMBER WILL HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES TO DESCRIBE THEIR REQUEST, AND THE REMAINING COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL HAVE UP TO ONE MINUTE TO PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK, AND STAFF WILL RESPOND TO REQUESTS WITH A CONSENSUS OF AT LEAST FOUR FOR THESE ITEMS. ALSO, AS COUNCIL MEMBERS PROVIDE THEIR SUPPORT, WE ASK THAT THEY CATEGORIZE THAT AS HIGH, MODERATE OR LOW.

AND THAT TAKES US TO OUR FIRST ITEM REQUEST FOR A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS NARCAN DISTRIBUTION AND EDUCATION USED FOR THE EMERGENCY TREATMENT OF AN OPIOID OVERDOSE. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER.

THANK YOU. IN A RECENT STAFF REPORT, WE LEARNED THAT THE DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS RESPONDED TO 11 CONFIRMED FENTANYL RELATED DEATHS JUST SINCE SEPTEMBER 2022. NARCAN IS THE TREATMENT THAT CAN SAVE LIVES IF ADMINISTERED RIGHT AWAY IN AN OVERDOSE SITUATION.

BUYING SURVIVAL TIME WHILE EMERGENCY SERVICES ARE ON THE WAY.

DENTON FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS ADMINISTERED NARCAN OVER 230 TIMES IN THE PAST TWO YEARS, AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL BE PUTTING NARCAN INTO 90 DEFIBRILLATOR CABINETS IN CITY BUILDINGS ACROSS THE CITY OVER THE NEXT TWO MONTHS, AND TRAINING BUILDING STAFF ON ITS USE, AS WELL AS CONFERRING ABOUT THIS APPROACH WITH DENTON'S HIGHER EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS. THE IDEA IS FOR NARCAN AND SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO USE IT TO BE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO WHEREVER IT MIGHT BE NEEDED.

AND ONE APPROACH WE LEARNED THAT THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAS ADDED TO ITS APPROACH TO FENTANYL, HAS BEEN TO PARTNER WITH NONPROFITS TO HELP THEM DISTRIBUTE NARCAN IN A VARIETY OF WAYS, INCLUDING AT FESTIVALS.

AND FESTIVALS ARE A GREAT VENUE FOR DENTON.

THIS IS TO REQUEST THAT STAFF SIZE WITH SUCH A FESTIVAL DISTRIBUTION AND EDUCATION EFFORT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN DENTON AND BRING IT BACK TO US IN A BRIEF WORK SESSION.

THE GOAL WOULD BE FOR NARCAN AND OVERDOSE FIRST AID AWARENESS TO BE AS COMMONPLACE AS THE HEIMLICH MANEUVER IN DENTON, SO MAYBE WE CAN SAVE SOME LIVES.

ALLOW ME, PLEASE, TO ACKNOWLEDGE NANCY CORTEZ HERE, WHO ENGAGED ME ON THIS ISSUE AFTER THE TERRIBLE LOSS OF HER SON, ALEX, TO FENTANYL.

AND WITH THAT, LET ME REQUEST THIS ITEM BE ACTED ON WITH HIGH PRIORITY.

OKAY. MR. CITY ATTORNEY, I HAVE QUESTIONS.

I CAN, THERE'S NO PROHIBITIONS ON POINTS OF INQUIRY.

YEAH, WE'VE KIND OF PUSHED THAT LINE.

WE TYPICALLY HAVE NOT ALLOWED FOR QUESTIONS, BUT WE'VE ALLOWED IN RECENT PAST SOME POINTS OF INQUIRY ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS. YES. YEAH.

I'LL JUST. I'LL JUST LISTEN.

COMMENTS. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I THINK IN LIGHT OF, IT'S A SIMPLE REQUEST FOR A FOR COORDINATION WITH NON-PROFITS TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

THERE'S THERE'S NO HARM IN COUNCIL GETTING, AGAIN, EXTRA INFORMATION, TO SEE HOW WE WOULD COORDINATE WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY PERFORMING THESE KINDS OF FUNCTIONS.

SO I, I, I'LL BE, YOU KNOW, A VOTING YES ON THIS OR NOT VOTING, BUT I WOULD APPROVE OF A WORK SESSION FOR THIS.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN HOLLANDE.

I SUPPORT THE THE TWO MINUTE PITCH AS IT WAS AS IT WAS SET OUT.

I'M AMAZED HOW WE AS A SOCIETY KEEP FINDING WAYS TO HURT OURSELVES.

AND FORTUNATELY, THE GOOD GUYS ARE OUT HELPING US TO TO COMBAT THOSE PROBLEMS. I WOULD I WOULD GIVE THAT A HIGH PRIORITY.

ANYONE ELSE.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. ABSOLUTELY.

YES. THIS IS.

ONE OF THE BEST PITCHERS THAT I'VE SEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, SO THANK YOU FOR THIS.

THANK YOU ALSO FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD.

YES. HI. PARTY.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER.

WHAT'S OUR PRIORITY FOR ME TO MAYOR?

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SORRY ABOUT THAT, COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

YOU'RE MUTED. SORRY.

YES, I'LL SUPPORT A WORK SESSION ON ON THE TWO MINUTE PITCH.

I GUESS WHAT I HEARD IN THE PRESENTATION, THE VERBAL PRESENTATION WAS SOMETHING THAT SEEMED, YOU KNOW.

AT FAR ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM.

ONE IS WORKING WITH NONPROFITS, AND ONE IS HANDING IT OUT TO ANYBODY WHO MIGHT WANT IT.

I JUST LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING.

THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT THE WORK SESSION.

I WANT TO HEAR WHAT ARE THE EFFECTIVE WAYS, THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THIS IN A RESPONSIBLE AND SAFE AND SAFE WAY. SO CERTAINLY A HIGH PRIORITY FOR ME, TO HEAR TO HEAR THE INFORMATION.

ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. SO I'M JUST GOING TO UNILATERALLY SAY AND, NEXT, NEXT WEEK, THE CITY MANAGER IS GOING TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA.

BUT IF YOU WILL NEED TO GET YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND CLARIFICATION IN.

SO IT'LL BE ON NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA, NEXT MEETING, WHENEVER THAT IS.

AND IT'S BUT STAFF HAS PROVIDED A STATUS REPORT ALREADY AND SO THEY'LL SEND OUT ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THEY FOUND, BUT IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION AT COUNCIL LEVEL, TRULY, BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED.

I HAVE LEGAL QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE CAN MANDATE TO FESTIVALS.

SO IT'S REALLY JUST A COUNCIL DISCUSSION TO BE HAD.

I DON'T I DON'T ANTICIPATE MUCH MORE PRESENTATION BECAUSE THEY'VE PROVIDED THAT TO US.

SO WE HAVE THAT BACKUP.

SO, AS, AS I'M ABLE UNILATERALLY I'M PUTTING IT ON THE NEXT MEETING.

AND THEN I'LL JUST ASK MY QUESTIONS THEN.

BUT I JUST THINK THERE'S, THERE'S SOME CLARIFICATION AND AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO.

SO, THERE YOU GO.

THAT TAKES US TO OUR NEXT ITEM.

OKAY.

OKAY. ITEM TWO REQUEST FOR A MEDIUM PRIORITY WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS A RESOLUTION TO SUPPORT FOR LEGISLATION SIMILAR TO HOUSE BILL 870 AND SENATE BILL 1989, WHICH WOULD PROHIBIT PET STORES FROM SELLING DOGS OR CATS UNLESS THEY ARE OBTAINED FROM AN ANIMAL CONTROL AGENCY, AN ANIMAL SHELTER, OR AN ANIMAL RESCUE ORGANIZATION.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MAYOR PRO TEM BECK.

READY, MR. MAYOR? YES. GO RIGHT AHEAD.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH. I'LL JUST TRY TO KEEP THIS REALLY SIMPLE AND FAST DURING OUR JANUARY 9TH MEETING.

WE DIDN'T HAVE A CONSENSUS ON THE EXACT PITCH ITEM, BUT THERE SEEMED TO BE A VERBAL CONSENSUS THAT WE COULD LIKELY GET TO SOMETHING IF WE HAD THE WORK SESSION.

SO I QUICKLY TURNED AROUND A PITCH TO TO STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE THAT WORK SESSION DISCUSSING THE PATTERSON WHITMIRE TYPE LEGISLATION IN MORE DETAIL.

RECALL THAT THE RESOLUTION THAT HAS PROPOSED AND IS IS NOT A LEGISLATIVE ACTION BY THE CITY, BUT A RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF STATE, ACTIONS IN THE FUTURE.

I ASKED THAT WE HAVE THAT BRIEF WORK SESSION, TO MOVE THIS TOPIC FORWARD.

AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO AT A MEDIUM PRIORITY.

LET'S SEE. COMMENTS.

COUNCILMAN. AS I STATED AT OUR LAST MEETING, I SUPPORT THE NOTION OF DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MINIMIZE PUPPY MILLS. KITTY KITTY MILLS, IF THAT'S A WORD.

MY MY HESITATION IS THE HOW THAT HOW THAT FITS IN LINE WITH WITH STATE, A STATE, STATE ISSUED LICENSE AND THEREFORE STATE LAW AND SETTING US UP FOR ANY KIND OF A LAWSUIT.

HOWEVER, I WOULD I WOULD SUPPORT THE TWO MINUTE PITCH AT A, AT A MEDIUM PRIORITY.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I WAS A YES.

TWO WEEKS AGO. I'M A YES TODAY.

I THINK THAT ANY TIME THAT WE CAN SUPPORT OUR LOCAL DELEGATION AND SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE DOING, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE WE ADD THE CHORUS OF VOICES FROM THE FOLKS OF THE CITY OF DENTON TO THE GOOD STUFF THAT THEY'RE DOING IN AUSTIN.

SO I'M ABSOLUTELY, YES.

MEDIUM PRIORITY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER. YEAH.

I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE CONVERSATION.

AT MEDIUM PRIORITY.

I WILL NOTE ALSO THAT I'M A PROPONENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY IS ALREADY DOING SOME THINGS IN THIS REGARD.

SO, COMING BACK TO THAT CONVERSATION WOULD BE GOOD.

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SO WE CAN GET THIS CLARIFICATION.

COUNCILOR MELTZER. YEAH.

I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS IN SUPPORT OF A CHANGE IN STATE LAW, SO THAT THE RESULT WOULD OCCUR WITHOUT BEING IN CONFLICT WITH STATE LAW.

SO, I SUPPORT THE WORK SESSION.

OKAY. ANYONE.

I THINK THAT'S EVERYONE. COUNCILWOMAN.

WHAT'S. I SUPPORT IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES ITEM B POINT OF INQUIRY.

YES. STATE YOUR POINT OF INQUIRY.

A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN WE HAD THIS PRESENTATION, INITIALLY, CITY MANAGER TOLD US ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT HAD BEEN DONE DOWN IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO HERE. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION ON THAT, OR CAN WE PERHAPS WRAP IT UP IN THIS? WHEN WE HAVE THE WORK SESSION? YOU CAN EMAIL HER AND FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

RIGHT. AND YOU CAN SEND IT OUT TO EVERYBODY.

THAT WAY WE, WE STAY CLEAN.

I HAD TO RESERVE MY QUESTIONS TRYING TO DO THE SAME.

OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES ITEM B.

THANK YOU.

TAKES NOW THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW AT 4:36 P.M., CONVENE IN CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE CLOSED MEETING ITEMS SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING

[1. Closed Meeting:]

ONLY BE OKAY.

ITEM ID 24119.

CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071.

THANK YOU. SO THE CITY COUNCIL HAS HAS NOW, AT 4:54 P.M., RECONVENED FROM THE CLOSED SESSION AND NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN.

THAT TAKES US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

I'LL TAKE A MOTION. BUT FOR ITEMS H AND N WHICH WERE PULLED.

MAYOR PRO TEM, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ACCEPTING ITEMS H AND N COUNCILMAN HARLAN.

I SECOND THE MOTION WITH THE EXCEPTIONS AS NOTED.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION.

SEEING NONE.

COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS.

HOW SAY YOU? COUNCIL MEMBER.

WHAT'S. BUT.

ALL RIGHT. WE GET COUNCILWOMAN.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? GREAT.

SO YOU GOT TO UNMUTE, BUT I NEED YOUR VOTE ON THE CONSENT.

BUT FOR ITEMS H AND N.

YEAH, I OKAY.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

WELL, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, I COULDN'T TELL THAT Y'ALL HAD STARTED.

I WAS SITTING HERE LOOKING, AND I COULDN'T HEAR YOU ON THE MIC, SO.

YEAH. YEAH, I'LL BE MORE DEMONSTRATIVE WHEN I TALK.

BUT. NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU'RE ALL GOOD. YOU DIDN'T MISS MUCH.

SO, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM H, ID 24007.

[H. Consider adoption of an ordinance amending Chapter 23 of the City Code - Police - Article VI, Section 23-177, Denton Police Department Chief of Police Advisory Board, to extend board member terms to three years, stagger board member terms, define what constitutes a term, and amend the board schedule and reporting procedures; and providing an effective date.]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 23 OF THE CITY, THE CITY CODE POLICE ARTICLE SIX, SECTION 20 3.-177 DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT CHIEF POLICE ADVISORY BOARD.

COUNCILMAN MELTZER YES, I MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM H WITH THE EXCLUSION OF THE CHANGE IN REPORTING PROCEDURES.

COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD. OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION.

I'LL JUST SAY SO.

THOSE THAT AREN'T TRACKING ALONG MAYBE.

OR DIDN'T SEE THE WORK SESSION.

WE HAD A COMMITTEE THAT RECOMMENDED AN ANNUAL REPORT.

THEY DISCUSSED THIS VERY ITEM, AND THIS VOTE WOULD GO AS PROPOSED.

WOULD GO AGAINST THE WILL OF THAT COMMITTEE THAT MET FOR ONE HOUR, 15 MINUTES.

AND I JUST CAN'T GET COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, BECAUSE IT JUST SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE TO THOSE SEVEN INDIVIDUALS THAT VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME FOR OVER AN HOUR AND DISCUSS THIS VERY TOPIC. I THINK I COULD GET COMFORTABLE IF IT WAS NOT DISCUSSED OR MISSED OR.

BUT THEY HAD TOPIC CONVERSATION ON POINT AND I'LL CLOSE AND QUOTING AND I'M GOING TO START QUOTING THIS MORE.

BUT I'LL QUOTE THIS TODAY.

IT'S ABOUT STEVE JOBS.

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HIRE SMART PEOPLE AND TELL THEM WHAT TO DO.

WE HIRE SMART PEOPLE SO THAT THEY CAN TELL US WHAT TO DO.

I THINK THE PEOPLE AND THE CITIZENS OF REPRESENTED REPRESENTED HERE GAVE DIRECTION.

AND I THINK IT'S IT SEEMS A WRONG MESSAGE FROM THE DAIS TO TO DISREGARD THAT ON POINT CONVERSATION.

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SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE COUNCIL MEMBER.

WHAT'S HOW SAY YOU? I'M A NAY ON THE MOTION.

AND SECOND ON THE ON THE FLOOR.

OKAY, SO LET ME GET THERE.

OKAY. EVERYONE ELSE'S PHOTO ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT AMENDMENT FAILS FOR THREE.

I'LL MOVE APPROVAL AS WRITTEN.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND MAYOR.

OKAY. I HAVE ONE MAYOR PRO TEM.

YEAH. I'LL SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE THROW IT ON THE SCREEN.

OH, SORRY.

COUNCIL MEMBER. WHAT HOUSE ARE YOU? I'M A I'M A. YES.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THANK YOU.

JESSE. PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

TAKES US TO ITEM N AND LET ME GET THERE.

[N. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the General Manager of Denton Municipal Electric to execute an agreement with the Public Utilities Commission of Texas (PUCT) settling a disgorgement of $42,012.60 for revenues received by Denton Municipal Electric in February of 2021 from the Electric Reliability Commission of Texas (ERCOT); and providing an effective date.]

SORRY. OH, HERE IT IS.

LOOKING AT THE WRONG THING. AND HIS ID 24121.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, A HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION, AUTHORIZING THE GENERAL MANAGER OF DENTON MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION, OF TEXAS, ALSO TITLED PUC PUC T SETTLING A DISGORGEMENT OF $42,012.60 FOR REVENUES RECEIVED BY DENTON MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC.

SO, MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S FORBEARANCE AND LETTING ME ASK MY QUESTIONS IN CLOSED, I MOVE APPROVAL.

COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE COUNCIL MEMBER.

WATCH HOW SAY YOU.

YES. OKAY.

AND LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO.

AND IF YOU'RE TRACKING ALONG, WE WILL.

WE WON'T START PUBLIC HEARINGS UNTIL 630.

SO WE'RE GOING TO WORK AROUND THAT AND TAKES US TO ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton determining the public use, need, and necessity for the acquisition of permanent water easements, generally located along Interstate 35 East frontage road situated in the Alexander Hill Survey, Abstract No. 623 in the City and County of Denton, Texas, and more particularly described in the attached Exhibit “A” (collectively, the “Property Interests”) for the TXDOT I35 Fort Worth Drive project; authorizing the City Manager and City Attorney to acquire the Property Interests by agreement if possible, including making all offers required by law; authorizing the use of the power of eminent domain to condemn the property interests if agreement cannot be reached; authorizing the City Attorney to file eminent domain proceedings if necessary; authorizing the expenditure of funding; making findings; providing a savings clause; and providing an effective date.]

THAT'S GOING TO BE SIX A.

AND THE FIRST IN THAT ITEM IS ID 232417.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON DETERMINING THE PUBLIC USE, NEED, AND NECESSITY FOR THE ACQUISITION OF A PERMANENT WATER EASEMENT, GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG INTERSTATE 35 EAST FRONTAGE ROADS SITUATED IN THE ALEXANDER HILL SURVEY.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS VICTORIA BROWN, SENIOR REAL ESTATE SPECIALIST, AND I HAVE WITH ME PROJECT MANAGER COLE TANKERSLEY.

AND TODAY I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY TEXDOT I-35, FORT WORTH DRIVE.

THE SITE OF THE LOCATION WAS LOCATED ON I 35 EAST FRONTAGE ROAD, NEAR FORT WORTH DRIVE.

THE PROPERTY DETAILS FOR THE I 35 UTILITY RELOCATION REQUIRES THAT WE GET TWO EASEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO RELOCATE AN EXISTING CITY WATER LINE OUTSIDE OF THE NEW TEXAS.

I'M SORRY OF THE NEW TXDOT RIGHT OF WAY.

ONCE THE EASEMENT IS ACQUIRED, CIP STAFF WILL PROCEED TO BID AND AWARD THE PROJECT AND SCHEDULE CONSTRUCTION, WHICH SHOULD START THE SECOND QUARTER OF 2024. THIS PROJECT IS EXPECTED TO BE FULLY REIMBURSABLE BY TEX DOT.

PROPERTY DETAILS.

THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY FIVE STACK SELF-STORAGE AND 18 STACK SELF-STORAGE.

U-HAUL IS PRESENTLY LOCATED THERE.

THE APPRAISED VALUE FOR A FIVE IS 23,002 49, AND THE APPRAISED VALUE FOR 18 IS $14,017. THE PROPERTY IS ALSO ZONED FOR HIGHWAY USE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ITEM.

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APPROVAL WERE AUTHORIZED THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TO ACQUIRE THE NECESSARY PROPERTY INTEREST IN THE EVENT.

NEGOTIATIONS, EFFORTS FAIL AND IMPASSE.

IS REACHED, THE CITY ATTORNEY OR THE DESIGNEE MAY FILE EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY INTEREST IF NECESSARY.

UPON READING OF A FAVORABLE MOTION AND SECOND, I WILL BEGIN DISPLAYING THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF EACH PROPERTY INTEREST NEEDED FOR THE PROJECT.

OKAY. AND IS THIS ACTION OR JUST FIRST READING? IT'S ACTION. AND ACTUALLY THERE'S A MOTION THAT WE HANDED OUT AT THE SEATS OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE USED IF THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.

IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME WHETHER, FROM THE LOCATION MAP, WHETHER THE THE THE DESIRED EASEMENT PROPERTY IN QUESTION, WILL OVERLAP THE THE THE WHAT WOULD THAT BE? THE SOUTHERN MOST PORTION OF THE BUILDING, KIND OF SOUTHEASTERN MOST PORTION OF THE U-HAUL.

AND WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS FOR IT IF IT DOES? THOSE ARE SORT OF MY QUESTIONS.

YES. NO, SIR.

IT WOULDN'T LET ME SHARE THE SCREEN.

I'M SORRY. OKAY.

THE EASEMENTS WILL NOT OVERLAP.

THEY ARE ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER, HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN.

OKAY, I MISSED THAT PART I APOLOGIZE, I'M SORRY.

HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN ARE THE EASEMENTS, AND THEY'RE JUST ADJACENT FROM EACH OTHER.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S VERY CLEAR.

THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S. YEAH, THIS IS IN THE MINUTIA, SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME AHEAD OF TIME IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. IT SAYS IF IMPASSE AND ALL OF THAT FAILS, THE CITY ATTORNEY OR DESIGNEE MAY ISSUE EMINENT DOMAIN AND MOVE TOWARDS EMINENT DOMAIN.

IS THAT? I WOULD THINK THAT IF IMPASSE FAILS, WE SHALL MOVE INTO EMINENT DOMAIN.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE AN OPTION.

IF WE CAN'T, IF WE CAN'T GET IT NEGOTIATED.

THAT'S VERY PICKY.

BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT LANGUAGE WAS IN.

I TRIED TO LOOK UP THE BACKUP, BUT MY CITY COMPUTER WENT DOWN.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT LANGUAGE IS IN THE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN I READ IT THIS THIS WEEKEND, BUT SO I ONLY JUST BRING THAT UP.

SORRY FOR THE THE DETAIL, BUT FOR ME MAY AND SHALL MEAN TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

BUT I COULD BE I COULD BE GOING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE.

SO ANYWAY, I JUST ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO PULL THE ORDINANCE HERE.

I CERTAINLY KNOW IN THE MOTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE UTILIZING THAT WOULD BE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO MOVE FORWARD, WHICH WE WOULD DO.

IT GIVES US ALSO THE OPTION TO SETTLE IF WE NEED TO.

YEAH. SHORT OF EMINENT DOMAIN, WE COULD ALWAYS SETTLE THE CASE.

SO THAT GIVES US THAT DISCRETION.

OKAY. THANKS. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SO.

NO ANSWER JUST BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EXACTLY ON POINT, BUT EVEN IN OUR OUR EXHIBITS, THOSE TRUCKS ARE PARKED ON UNIMPROVED SURFACES.

AND SO IF WE COULD I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, I JUST PUT THAT THERE TO SAY, THANK YOU.

OKAY. SO, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

IF SOMEONE WANTS TO READ THE LANGUAGE.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I MOVE THAT THE CITY OF DENTON, AFTER HAVING MADE THE OFFERS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW, USE THE POWERS OF EMINENT DOMAIN IF NEEDED, TO ACQUIRE VARIOUS PERMANENT WATER LINE EASEMENTS LOCATED GENERALLY AT INTERSTATE 35.

EAST FRONTAGE ROAD, SITUATED IN THE ALEXANDER HILL SURVEY.

ABSTRACT NUMBER 623, IN THE CITY OF DENTON COUNTY OF DENTON, TEXAS, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN THE ATTACHED EXHIBIT A TO THE ORDINANCE NOW UNDER CONSIDERATION AND ON THE SCREEN TO BE DISPLAYED TO THE AUDIENCE, ALL OF WHICH ARE FOR VALID PUBLIC USE NECESSARY TO RELOCATE, RELOCATE, CONSTRUCT AND INSTALL WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.

AS PART OF THE TXDOT I-35 FORT WORTH DRIVE PROJECT NEEDED TO SERVE THE PUBLIC AND CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF DENTON.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

IS THAT. IS THAT THE LAST ONE? OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN.

COUNCILMAN. BYRD SECOND.

OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION.

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AND I ALSO SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE IF THERE'S ECONOMY OF SCALE WHILE WE'RE THERE WORKING, MAYBE THEY WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AS ANYTHING.

BUT WHILE WE'RE IN DISCUSSION, PERIOD, WE'RE ON TOPIC.

I'M COMING DOWN TO.

AND IT'S, CAFETERIA.

YES. GREAT. GREAT.

I WAS HOPING I'D GET CLOSE.

THANK YOU. WHAT ARE THE INITIALS MEAN? IT'S A DESIGNER.

I SEE, THAT'S WHY I DON'T KNOW.

SO I JUST WANTED TO.

TO WELCOME YOU HERE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

AND WE HAVE AN ELEPHANT.

SO YOU ALWAYS REMEMBER YOUR FIRST PRESENTATION TO US? YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WELL DONE. THANK YOU. YES, I APPRECIATE IT.

OH, HERE YOU GO. OKAY.

THANK YOU DUSTIN. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. YOU SHOULD TELL HER THAT YOU LIKE HER TRIP.

HER WHAT? HER TRIP? I CAN'T SAY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.

WE COULD TALK ABOUT. OKAY.

COUNCILMAN. WHAT ARE YOU.

YES. OKAY.

AND LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM SEVEN A, WHICH IS ID

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton to declare the intent to reimburse capital program expenditures of General Government with Tax-Preferred Obligations (General Obligation Bonds) with an aggregate maximum principal amount not to exceed $53,117,000; and providing an effective date.]

232433. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON TO DECLARE THE INTENT TO REIMBURSE CAPITAL PROGRAM EXPENDITURES OF GENERAL GOVERNMENT WITH TAX PREFERRED OBLIGATION BONDS WITH AN AGGREGATE MAXIMUM PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF NOT TO EXCEED $53,117,000 AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

ALREADY. GOOD AFTERNOON OR EVENING OR IN BETWEEN? I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

RANDY KLINGLE, TREASURY MANAGER FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.

I HAVE A QUICK PRESENTATION REGARDING THE REIMBURSEMENT ORDINANCE ON YOUR AGENDA ITEM TODAY.

THE REIMBURSEMENT ORDINANCE IS REQUIRED BY THE IRS TO SHOW THE CITY'S INTENT TO REIMBURSE OURSELVES LATER WITH BOND PROCEEDS.

AND WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE REIMBURSEMENT ORDINANCE, WE WILL DO THE BOND SALE WITHIN 12 MONTHS.

WE DO HAVE IT PLANNED FOR THIS SUMMER.

WE LIKE TO DO IT BEFORE THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR FOR ACCOUNTING PURPOSES.

AND OUR DEBT POLICY DOES ALLOW THE REIMBURSEMENT ORDINANCE AND THE PROCESSES THAT GO WITH THAT.

SO FOR THIS REIMBURSEMENT ORDINANCE, WE HAVE THE PROJECT LIST IN FRONT OF YOU.

AND IT'S ALSO ON EXHIBIT A AS THE ORDINANCE.

AND THIS IS YEAR ONE OF YEAR SIX OF THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM THAT WAS JUST VOTED BY THE CITIZENS ON NOVEMBER 7TH.

SO THIS IS JUST YEAR ONE OF THAT, ALLOWING US TO GET STARTED ON THOSE PROJECTS PRIOR TO THE BOND PROCEEDS BEING RECEIVED BY THE CITY.

SO SHORT AND SWEET.

MY NEXT STEPS YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM ME AGAIN IN MAY, WHICH I WILL BRING THE BOND PARAMETERS ORDINANCE TO YOU.

FOR BOTH THE GEO AND THE CO BOND SALE.

WE PROJECTED A DATE OF JUNE FOR THAT SALE AND WE SHOULD RECEIVE THE PROCEEDS IN JULY.

ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER.

YEAH. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY.

THE, THE WAY THAT WE FUND THESE PROJECTS BEFORE ISSUING THE BONDS IS THAT BY USING COMMERCIAL PAPER, OR IS THAT JUST OUT OF RESERVES, OR HOW DO WE HOW DO WE DO RESERVE FUND BALANCES? OH, OKAY. AND I KNOW THIS IS ALL PART OF THE AWARD WINNING FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT.

WE ALWAYS GET YOU ALWAYS SEEM TO GET THE AWARDS.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND THEN I AM CURIOUS, DOES THIS HELP KIND OF TAKE ADVANTAGE OF MAYBE POOLING PROJECTS TOGETHER OR MOVING FASTER BEFORE COSTS? THAT'S ALL OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.

INTENSE ARE PULLING THINGS TOGETHER.

BUT THIS IS REALLY TO GET A JUMP START ON THESE PROJECTS.

AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THE NOT THE CONSTRUCTION BUT THE CONSULTING AND SOME OF THE PLANNING.

EXACTLY. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. COUNCILMAN MELTZER.

YES? I MOVE APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM.

MAYOR PRO TEM SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION.

SEEING NONE COUNCIL MEMBER. WHAT'S HOW SAY YOU? I'M SORRY. YES.

THANK YOU. AND LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

TAKES US TO OUR NEXT ITEM.

[B. Consider approval of a resolution of the City Council of the City of Denton, Texas, requesting the transfer of that certain public roadway described herein on Exhibit “A” from the Texas Department of Transportation to the City of Denton. The limits of the certain public roadway described above are Elm Street and Locust Street from Eagle Drive to University Drive.]

AND JUST. OH, YEAH, I KNOW IT.

HE'S LOOKING GOOD.

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SO THIS WILL BE FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG.

THIS WILL BE OUR LAST ITEM BEFORE 630.

WE'LL COME BACK AT 630 TO TAKE UP THE ONE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, AND THEN WE'LL ADJOURN, OR WE'LL HAVE.

WELL, AND I'LL PROBABLY AFTER THIS, WE'LL DO, WE'LL DO CONCLUDING ITEMS AS WELL.

GET THAT DONE. AND SO 630 PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE'RE DONE FOR THE EVENING.

SO SEVEN B ID 231791 CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, REQUESTING THE TRANSFER OF THAT CERTAIN PUBLIC ROADWAY DESCRIBED HEREIN ON EXHIBIT A FROM THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO THE CITY OF DENTON.

THIS THE LIMITS OF THE CERTAIN PUBLIC ROADWAY DESCRIBED ABOVE ARE ELM STREET AND LOCUST STREET FROM EAGLE DRIVE TO UNIVERSITY DRIVE, AND I COULDN'T THINK OF A BETTER DESCRIPTION TO SAY THAT ROADWAY.

SO YES, THAT'S PERFECT.

GOOD EVENING. TREVOR CRAIN, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.

AND TODAY I'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD A RESOLUTION FOR TXDOT ROADWAYS TRANSFER TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

SO JUST A QUICK BACKGROUND.

US 77 FROM EAGLE TO US 380 IS CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED AS AN ON SYSTEM TXDOT ROADWAY WHICH MEANS THAT TXDOT CURRENTLY OWNS IT. SO THAT LIMITS THE ABILITY OF THE CITY OF DENTON TO MAKE REPAIRS OR IMPROVEMENT ON THAT ROADWAY SECTION.

THE CITY OF DENTON IS REQUESTING US 77 FROM EAGLE TO US 380 TO BE TRANSFERRED TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

FUNDING IS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE THROUGH TXDOT, DENTON COUNTY AND THE CITY TO RECONSTRUCT US 77 BETWEEN EAGLE AND US 380 IN 2 PHASES.

OH. SO JUST A QUICK MAP.

THE IN THE RED SHOWS YOU WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THE PROPOSED TRANSFER IN BLUE IS PROPOSED TO STAY ON SYSTEM, WHICH MEANS IT'LL STILL BE A TEXTILE ROADWAY.

SO PHASE ONE IS WHAT? STREET? STREET RECONSTRUCTION TO THE CITY OF DENTON SPECIFICATIONS THAT WILL BE FUNDED BY TXDOT.

SO THAT WILL BE FROM HICKORY TO EAGLE DRIVE.

THAT IS PLANNED TO START IN QUARTER TWO OF 2024.

SO THAT'LL BE A TXDOT MANAGED PROJECT.

AND THAT IS THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR ABOUT NINE MONTHS.

PHASE TWO OF ELM AND LOCUST WILL BE FROM HICKORY STREET TO US 380.

WE ARE ANTICIPATING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT PROJECT STARTING IN QUARTER FOUR OF 2024, AND THAT WILL BE A CITY OF DENTON MANAGED PROJECT.

WE ESTIMATE THAT CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE BEING 24 MONTHS.

PHASE TWO WILL BE FUNDED BY THE CITY OF DENTON, ALONG WITH COUNTY FUNDS AND, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

I'M SORRY. COUNTY FUNDS AND THE CITY OF DENTON FUNDS.

SO THIS WILL CITY AND TEXTILE WILL ENTER AN AGREEMENT FOR ELM AND LOCUST, FROM UNIVERSITY DRIVE TO EAGLE DRIVE.

WHICH WILL ALLOW THEM TO BECOME CITY MAINTAINED AND OPERATED STREETS.

WITH SOME STIPULATIONS GOVERNING THE ROAD USAGE, THERE ARE SOME STIPULATIONS AS TO REDUCING REDUCING WIDTH ON THOSE ROADWAYS.

REDUCING CAPACITY.

SO TEXTILE REQUIREMENTS NEXT STEPS.

SO TRANSFER TO GOVERNMENT ENTITY GE REQUEST MEMO HAS BEEN COMPLETED.

AND THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE BACKUP MAPPING HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE FOR HAS BEEN COMPLETED AS WELL.

THAT WAS COMPLETED BY TXDOT.

TONIGHT I'M BRINGING FORWARD THE CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION PENDING APPROVAL OF THAT, WE WILL SEND THAT RESOLUTION TO TXDOT, AND THEY WILL BRING THAT TO THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL.

ONCE THAT IS RUN THROUGH TXDOT AND WE GET THAT APPROVAL, WE WILL BRING THAT BACK, VIA BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FORMAL ADOPTION AND APPROVAL VIA ORDINANCE.

AND WITH THAT I WILL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

COUNCILMAN. MCGEE. TREVOR.

JUST BALLPARK. HOW LONG IS THE APPROVAL PROCESS FROM TXDOT NORMALLY TAKING SOMETHING LIKE THIS? ANY ANY IDEA? SO WHICH PROCESS? I MEAN, WHICH PART OF THE PROCESS? SO, IT'S A IT'S A LOADED QUESTION.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS ELM AND LOCUST TURNBACK, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND I'VE BEEN HERE FIVE YEARS, SO IT'S IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.

I'LL SAY, ONCE THIS RESOLUTION IS APPROVED, WE ANTICIPATE IT HAPPENING CONCURRENTLY WITH, WITH TXDOT COMPLETING THEIR, THEIR PORTION THAT ELM AND LOCUST PHASE ONE, THAT RECONSTRUCTION.

WE HAVE COMMUNICATED WITH TXDOT THAT WE WILL NOT BE ACCEPTING THOSE ROADWAYS UNTIL THAT CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE.

SO I BELIEVE THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE YOU WERE GOING WITH YOUR QUESTION.

THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT, THAT CONSTRUCTION NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE, IT NEEDS TO BE CONSTRUCTED TO OUR STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS AND THAT THAT IS A PART OF US

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ACCEPTING THAT ROADWAY.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

TREVOR. YES, SIR. MAYOR PRO TEM.

ALL RIGHT. THERE WE GO.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. TREVOR, MAYBE.

MAYBE I'M MISREMEMBERING.

EASILY. COULD BE.

I THOUGHT THAT PHASE TWO WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

WAS ALSO THE STATE'S RESPONSIBILITY.

OR HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE THAT IN OUR NEGOTIATIONS, WE WERE PHASING IT LIKE THIS? SO PHASE TWO IS SO IT'S.

YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE FUNNY.

SO NORMALLY, TXDOT DOES NOT ALLOW CITY OWNED UTILITIES UNDERNEATH THEIR ROADWAYS.

ELMA LUCAS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE FOR OR FOR THOSE UTILITIES TO GO.

SO THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY STRUCTURED IS THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO MAINTAIN OUR UTILITIES, WE HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FROM TXDOT TO DIG IN THEIR ROADWAY.

WHICH LEADS US TO WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY WITH WE PUT IN UTILITY PATCHES FROM HICKORY SOUTH TO EAGLE.

SO WHAT YOU SEE OUT THERE IS UTILITY PATCHES, POTHOLES, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAINTAIN AND OPERATE THAT IT'S NOT OUR ROADWAY.

WE HAVE TO RELY ON TXDOT TO COME OUT AND DO IT.

SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY, GOT ELM AND LOCUST, PHASE TWO, THE NORTH SECTION APPROVED AS A PART OF THE 2022 BOND ELECTION.

SO THEY'RE PROVIDING A PORTION OF THOSE FUNDS THAT WILL ALLOW US TO TO DO THAT, TO COMPLETE THAT ROADWAY AFTER WE DO OUR UTILITIES.

SO THE CITY OF DENTON HAS ALWAYS HAD ELM AND LUCAS PHASE TWO ON THE BOOKS TO DO.

THAT WAS STRICTLY UTILITIES AND WHAT WE'VE DONE, ONCE WE GOT THE COUNTY APPROVAL FOR THOSE FUNDS, WAS FOALED IN THE ACTUAL STREET RECONSTRUCTION, SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT ALL AT ALL SIMULTANEOUSLY.

SO THAT WAS KIND OF THAT COLLABORATION THAT WE HAD BETWEEN TXDOT, OURSELVES AND THE COUNTY TO MAKE THAT PROJECT HAPPEN.

NO, I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.

SO I WAS PARTIALLY REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, I APPRECIATE THAT, YES.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S.

YES, TREVOR, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

AND THERE'S BEEN.

I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE MAYOR PRO TEM KIND OF, REMEMBERING CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE, I MEAN, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, THIS THING HAS TAKEN ON A LIFE OF ITS OWN, AND SOME A LOT HAS CHANGED. JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, AND HAVE SOME CLARIFICATION.

PHASE ONE.

IS GOING TO BE, IS THAT GOING TO BE FUNDED BY TEX-DOT OR A COMBINATION OF TXDOT, THE CITY AND THE COUNTY? REFRESH MY MEMORY ON THAT.

SURE. SO WHAT WE'RE CALLING PHASE ONE AS A PART OF THIS PRESENTATION IS FROM HICKORY SOUTH TO 380 AND A PORTION OF 380, ACTUALLY BETWEEN ELM AND DALLAS, OR, YEAH, ELM AND DALLAS.

THAT IS GOING TO BE COMPLETED BY TXDOT STARTING IN Q2 OF THIS YEAR.

THEY ARE PAYING FOR THAT STREET RECONSTRUCTION.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT STREET RECONSTRUCTION LOOKS LIKE.

TXDOT STANDARDS ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE CITY OF DENTON, SO THAT HAS BEEN A NEGOTIATION BACK AND FORTH.

WE WANT THEM TO BUILD IT TO OUR STANDARDS.

IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT OVER.

OURS ARE OR MORE ROBUST THAN, THAN TXDOT.

SO THEY HAVE AGREED TO RECONSTRUCT THAT SECTION, PHASE ONE, ON THEIR DIME.

THEY'RE PAYING FOR THAT.

WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE DONE IN NINE MONTHS, STARTING IN Q2 WITH CONSTRUCTION STARTING IN Q2.

PHASE TWO, WHICH IS THE NORTH SECTION, HICKORY TO 380, IS GOING TO BE COUNTY FUNDS.

CITY OF DENTON. FUNDS.

OH, OKAY.

AND, ONE OTHER QUESTION.

SO THEN ON THE SO WHAT IS THE TOTAL ON PHASE TWO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE UTILITY RELOCATIONS OR REPAIRS AND SUCH BUILT IN ALREADY AND HAVE THOSE FUNDS AVAILABLE.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO ROLL IN THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS TO THE PART OF THE COUNTY FUNDS FOR 20 BOND FUNDS FROM 2022. SO WHAT IS WHAT IS THE DELTA BETWEEN WHAT THE CITY HAS ESCROWED FOR THE UTILITIES AND WHAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE PAYING FOR FOR THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION? WHAT DOES THAT DIFFERENCE THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ON THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION NORTH FROM HICKORY ALL THE WAY TO UNIVERSITY DRIVE, BOTH FOR LOCUST AND ELM, $0.

SO WE ANTICIPATE THE COUNTY'S FUNDS WILL COVER THE ROADWAY RECONSTRUCTION PORTION.

THE CITY OF DENTON, OUR WATER UTILITIES, WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT, THEY WILL BE PUTTING UP FUNDS FOR THE UTILITY RECONSTRUCTION UPGRADE PORTION OF THAT PROJECT.

SO WHEN WE SUBMITTED THAT PROJECT FOR CONSIDERATION, TO THE COUNTY, THAT WAS A CONSIDERATION.

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HOW MUCH? YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH, WHAT WAS THE DELTA THAT WE NEEDED TO COVER THE ROADWAY RECONSTRUCTION.

AND THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT WE SUBMITTED FOR.

SO. OKAY, SO THEY'LL BE PAYING FOR THE ENTIRETY OF IT.

YES, SIR. ON THE ROAD.

THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION PART.

YES, SIR. OKAY.

AND WE HAVE THAT MEMORIALIZED OR I MEAN, DO WE HAVE THAT IN A RESOLUTION OR IS THAT COMING FORWARD OR HOW DOES THAT GET SORT OF KIND OF.

SO IF I SAY NAILED DOWN.

RIGHT. SO IT WASN'T IT WASN'T STRICTLY PUT DOWN THAT, HEY, THE COUNTY IS GOING TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE.

WE CALCULATED WHAT THE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS.

AND WE ASKED FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

FANTASTIC. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YES, SIR. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE A COUPLE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK.

AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RIGHT NOW, BUT CAN YOU? THE REDUCED CAPACITY IS NOTEWORTHY FOR ME.

I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION IS, DOES THAT PROHIBITION GO AWAY AFTER IT'S A CITY STREET.

RIGHT. AND SO I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW LONG THAT REDUCED CAPACITY PROHIBITION IS IN PLACE.

SO IT DOES NOT GO AWAY.

THERE IS A REVERTER CLAUSE THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THAT, AND THAT WILL BE A PART OF THAT NEGOTIATION BACK AND FORTH.

WHEN WE COME BACK TO ORDINANCE, I MEAN, WITH THAT ORDINANCE.

BUT ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS IS THAT YOU DO NOT REDUCE CAPACITY, ON STREETS THAT ARE TURNED BACK OVER TO THE STREET OR TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN PERPETUITY, IN PERPETUITY.

THAT'S ABSURD.

YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT A RESOLUTION WE NEED TO SEND TO TO THE STATE THAT'S ON POINT THAT THAT'S CRAZY, THAT WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO LEAVE THREE LANES RUNNING INTO OUR DOWNTOWN.

WE DON'T HAVE.

THAT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF CARROLL BOULEVARD.

I'M PREACHING TO THE CHOIR.

I GET IT. THANK YOU.

SO I HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ON THAT.

SO THERE WILL BE THERE'S TRAFFIC STUDIES, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT YOU CAN'T CLOSE IN LANES OR EVEN REDUCE LANES, AS LONG AS THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IS STILL MOVING THROUGH THOSE STREETS.

SO WE HAVE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH TXDOT.

ABSOLUTELY. SHARE YOUR CONCERNS.

SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH BEFORE WE BRING IT BACK FOR THE OFFICIAL KNOW.

I'D LOVE TO LOOK AT THAT THAT THEN AND UNDERSTAND ONCE YOU ONCE YOU PROCESS THROUGH THAT, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE, THAT IT'S RIPE FOR A BOULEVARD RIGHT? RIGHT DOWN THERE. THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

YES, SIR. OKAY, GREAT.

AND THEN DID YOU DO TRAFFIC COUNTS TO DECIDE HICKORY OR WAS IT HICKORY OR.

I MEAN, PARDON ME, LOCUST OR FIRST OR DID IT WE JUST WE STARTED WITH LOCUST BECAUSE WE STARTED WITH LOCUST.

AS FAR AS THE, THE WE'RE STARTING WITH, WITH VERSUS ELM.

RIGHT. SO WHY DIDN'T WE DO SOUTH OF HICKORY LOCUST.

SOUTH OF HICKORY ELM BECAUSE SOUTH OF HICKORY SOUTH OF HICKORY ELM IS SO SIGNIFICANT.

CORRECT. SO THE REASON THAT WAS ACTUALLY SPLIT THAT WAY BECAUSE OF THE UTILITY PROJECT.

SO WE THE CITY OF DENTON ITSELF ACTUALLY HAS A ELM AND LOCUST PHASE ONE PROJECT.

NOT THE SAME AS THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE.

WE NAMED THEM TO TRY TO MAKE IT SIMPLE, BUT THERE WAS AN ELMA LUCAS PHASE ONE THAT DID THE UTILITIES SOUTH HICKORY CREEK TO 380.

AND SO THAT'S THAT WAS A LOGICAL BREAKING POINT FOR TEXTA FOR US TO NEGOTIATE WITH TXDOT AND SAY THIS ROAD HAS BEEN IN DISREPAIR FOR HOWEVER LONG SINCE WE'VE COMPLETED THAT PROJECT. IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED PRIOR TO US, TAKING THAT TAKING THAT ROADWAY BACK OVER.

GOT IT. AND SO WE HAVEN'T DONE THE UTILITIES NORTH YET.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WE WENT THE ROUTE WE DID TO WORK WITH WORK WITH THE COUNTY.

TO SUPPLEMENT THE FUNDS TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT.

GOT IT. OKAY. WELL, NORTH.

BUT YOU MEAN SOUTH LIKE LIKE ELM SOUTH OF THE SQUARE IS MY PRIMARY CONCERN.

YES, THAT'S THE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO.

IT'S GOING IN QUARTER TWO AND TECH STARTS FUNDING THAT PROJECT.

OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN THE LAST THING I HAD IS JUST WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A NUMBER OF TIMES.

SO. AND IT COULD COME OUT IN JUST AN EMAIL.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANSWERED NOW.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW OUR BUSINESS COMMUNICATION APPROACH.

RIGHT. BECAUSE WE WHEN WE WORKED IN FRONT OF WHEN WE'RE DOING A DRAINAGE THERE IN FRONT OF YEAH, YEAH.

ALL THAT. YEAH, YEAH.

I JUST I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING, MAKE SURE I'M ON BOARD IN TUNE WITH THAT, THAT, THAT WE GET FEEDBACK IN ADVANCE SO THAT WE DON'T I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE A DISRUPTION. ABSOLUTELY.

WE CAN'T CONTROL WEATHER, BUT SUCH THAT WE CAN LIMIT THE BLIND CORNERS AND PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND, HEY, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE, HERE'S WHO YOU CALL THOSE SORT OF THINGS. I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT OUR PLAN IS AROUND THAT.

WE'LL GET THAT TO YOU. AND I WILL SAY SO IN ONE WORD.

THE COMMUNICATION PLAN WILL BE ROBUST.

SOUTH. SO THE PORTION THAT TEX DOT IS GOING TO BE DOING, THEY'RE GOING TO BE MANAGING IT THEMSELVES.

BUT WE'VE ALREADY COMMUNICATED TO THEM WE WANT TO BE INVOLVED.

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WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOUBLING UP ON THEIR COMMUNICATIONS.

THEY DO THEIR OWN, BUT WE WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT AS WELL.

WE'LL HAVE CITY INSPECTORS ON THAT AS WELL.

SO WE'RE GOING TO WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MEETING THE SAME STANDARDS THAT OUR RESIDENTS EXPECT FROM US.

AND JUST IN OUR STANDARD NOW, HOW DEEP DO WE GO FOR BASE KIND OF A BASELINE FOUNDATION BEFORE WE BUILD BACK UP DEPENDING ON THE ROADWAY BUT USUALLY 12IN.

WOW. THAT'S GREAT.

THAT'S GREAT. AND JUST FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG, HOW LONG IS A ROAD SUPPOSED TO LAST? IF DONE WELL, ALL GOES WELL DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF, GEOTECH OR THE TYPE OF WHATEVER YOU PUT IT ON TYPE OF BASES ON THERE, ANYWHERE FROM 30 TO 50 YEARS, DEPENDING ON THE ROADWAY TYPE, ASPHALT CONCRETE, WHAT TYPE, HOW THICK THE BASE IS, WHAT KIND OF SOILS YOU PUT ON THERE.

BUT 30 TO 50 YEARS.

OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

OKAY. THAT'S, ARE THESE NEW OR.

NO. YES. ALL RIGHT.

MAYOR PRO TEM. NO, I JUST REALLY BRIEFLY, THE MAYOR BROUGHT UP A BUNCH OF REALLY EXCELLENT POINTS, ESPECIALLY ON THE AND HIS HIS ANGST OVER THE THE SIZE OF THE ROADS AND ALL THAT.

AND I COMPLETELY COSIGN ON THAT.

I WANT TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT, THAT THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT HALF THE COUNCIL COULD GET BEHIND.

I, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, MR. MAYOR. YES, SIR.

THANK YOU. KNOW, I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT COMING BACK SO WE CAN SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND.

CONCRETE OR ASPHALT, IT WILL BE ASPHALT.

AND YOU, YOU YOU YOU HAVE A MOTION I DO.

YEAH. YOU GO AHEAD.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. YES, SIR.

I DO BELIEVE SO. IN THE REMEMBERING ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPILLED COFFEE AS THEY DRIVE DOWN LOCUST AND HICKORY BURNED THIGHS.

I MOVE, I MOVE THE APPROVAL OF ID 23 1791.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

I WILL BE A SECOND.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TEAM AND ALL THAT.

COUNCILMAN. I'LL SEE YOU.

YES. AND LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THAT WE WILL NOW GO TO.

CONCLUDING ITEMS. ANY CONCLUDING ITEMS? MAYOR PRO TEM. SORRY.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH.

I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT REAL, REAL QUICK THAT SUSTAINABLE DENTON, PROGRAM HERE IN OUR CITY IS HAVING A WEATHERIZATION WORKSHOP, NORTH BRANCH LIBRARY THIS SATURDAY FROM 3 TO 4. IF YOU WANT TO COME LEARN ABOUT WHAT YOUR OPTIONS ARE.

WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER, SO THERE'S STILL SOME TIMES TO TRY TO GET SOME OF THOSE WEATHERIZATION GOING ON YOUR HOME AND SOME OF THE REBATES AND, AND LEARN ABOUT WHAT YOUR OPTIONS ARE. AND THEN NEXT TUESDAY, STAFF IS HAVING A WORKSHOP ON SPECIAL EVENT PERMITTING.

SO IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT AND DENTON PRIDES ITSELF ON ALL THE FAIRS AND FESTIVALS WE HAVE, IF YOU WANT TO ROLL OUT A NEW ONE, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME OUT TO THAT WORKSHOP, LEARN HOW TO, HAVE EVEN MORE EVENTS IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND.

THANK YOU.

THIS PAST SUNDAY, TWO DAYS AGO, MY ABOUT 40 DAY OLD GRANDSON ASPIRATED AT HOME AND, AND MY AND MY MY SON AND DAUGHTER IN LAW CALLED 911 AND THE PROS.

FROM THE FIRE STATION ON SHERMAN DRIVE.

CAME OUT AND THEY TOOK CARE OF HIM AND.

AND MY SON TOLD ME AS SOON AS THEY GOT THERE, HE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE OKAY.

I APPRECIATE THOSE GUYS AND LADIES.

THANK YOU. WOW.

THAT'S A BLESSING.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING. AND I AGREE THEY DO AMAZING THINGS.

COUNCIL MEMBER. BYRD I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH A YOUNG MAN BY THE NAME OF JACKSON FAIRBANKS.

HE'S A MIDDLE SCHOOL, MIDDLE SCHOOLER FROM PONDER, AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE.

AND MAYBE IT MAY HAVE BEEN ON THE DAIS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE BOX BANNING THE BOX, AND SOMEONE SAID THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE PERSON THAT COMPLAINED ABOUT IT.

AND, IN MY MIND, I WAS THINKING, WELL, SOMETIMES IT JUST TAKES ONE PERSON, JUST ONE PERSON TO CHANGE THE

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WORLD. BUT THIS YOUNG MAN THAT I MET LAST WEEK, HE JUST A KID, HAD RECOGNIZED THAT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF HOMELESSNESS, PARTICULARLY NEAR THE WALMART.

YOU KNOW, HOW THAT GOES.

AND SO HE SET OUT TO RAISE MONEY.

ON HIS OWN AND TO CONNECT WITH THE UNITED WAY, AND HE RAISED ENOUGH MONEY.

TO STUFF OVER 500 PACKETS FOR OUR MEMBERS AT OUR HOMELESS SHELTER, AND ALSO TO STUFF BACKPACKS FOR OUR COMMUNITIES THAT LIVE, WHAT DO WE CALL THAT LIVE, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE.

SO I WAS SO PROUD TO JUST BE ABLE TO STAND NEXT TO THIS YOUNG MAN.

AND IT WAS JUST ONE PERSON.

SO IF YOU'RE OUT THERE LISTENING AND YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE THE ONE, YOU COULD VERY WELL BE THAT ONE.

SO LET'S NOT, YOU KNOW, PUSH OUR EYES TOWARDS THE DARKNESS OF, OH, THERE'S GOT TO BE MANY.

BUT AGAIN, IT COULD JUST TAKE ONE PERSON.

AND HE WAS SO HAPPY.

HE WAS SO PROUD OF ALL THE VOLUNTEERS, AND I WAS SO PROUD FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YES, I'LL TAKE A PICTURE WITH YOU.

SO THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THAT CHANCE TO TO SHOUT HIM OUT.

JACKSON FAIRBANKS.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE. JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY WE HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT PRIMARY ELECTION COMING UP ON THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND THE VOTER REGISTRATION DEADLINE IS ONE MONTH BEFORE ELECTION DAY.

SO VOTER REGISTRATION DEADLINE IS FEBRUARY THE 5TH.

SO TELL YOUR FRIENDS, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL VOTE AND ENCOURAGE EACH OTHER TO VOTE, BECAUSE SOME OF OUR VERY LIVES DEPEND ON VOTING.

IF IT WASN'T IMPORTANT, THERE WOULDN'T BE SO MANY FOLKS ACTIVELY TRYING TO MAKE SURE SOME OF US DON'T SHOW UP TO VOTE.

SO THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCILMAN MELTZER.

ONE OF DENTON'S GREAT HOMEGROWN FESTIVALS STARTS TOMORROW.

THE DENTON BLACK FILM FESTIVAL.

STARTS WITH, ART EXHIBIT AT UNT COLAB TOMORROW.

THERE'S WORKSHOPS AND EVENTS ALL THROUGH THE WEEKEND AND CONTINUING FROM THERE.

AND, IT'S, JUST A COOL, UNIQUE, DENTON CULTURAL EXPERIENCE.

SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GET SOME PIECE OF THAT.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. SO I WANT TO TOUCH ON A FEW THINGS AND WE'LL CONCLUDE.

SO FIRST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO, JESSE FOR INVITING ME OUT.

IT'S BEEN A WEEK OR SO NOW.

TEXAS MUNICIPAL CLERKS HAD A HOSTED EVENT.

MONSTER EVENT. GLAD THEY WERE BACK.

AMAZING GROUP.

AND SO JESSE WAS A FANTASTIC HOST.

GOT TO MEET OPAL LEE AGAIN.

TALKED TO HER FOR A BIT, BUT BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, MY 13 YEAR OLD ALICE WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH HER AND SPEND SOME TIME WITH HER.

AND JUST. I MEAN, IT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLE TO TO THINK THAT SHE'S NOT 50 YEARS OLD.

I MEAN, SHE'S IN HER 90S, BUT JUST AMAZING COMMUNICATOR, A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AND JUST A HEART OF GOLD.

SO THAT WAS GREAT.

REFLECTING BACK ON THE FIRE BANQUET AND JUST THANKING, RIGHT ON POINT.

RIGHT. JUST KIND OF, THANKING THEM FOR WHAT THEY DO AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE THERE AND CELEBRATE 150 YEARS WITH THEM.

SO THAT WAS GREAT.

PLEASE NOTE MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR CELEBRATION IS STILL ON.

IT'S JUST RESCHEDULED FOR NEXT MONTH, SO STAY TUNED FOR UPDATES AS THAT GETS CLOSER.

BUT WE'LL WE'LL ANNOUNCE THAT AND THAT EVENT WILL STILL GO FORWARD.

I WANT TO THANK THE DENTON COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND KIND OF RESPONSE TEAM DENTON'S CITY OF DENTON'S RESPONSE TEAM, AND ALL THAT WORKED DURING THE WINTER WEATHER TO MAKE SURE UPDATES WERE GOING OUT.

DO'S, DON'TS WERE GOING OUT.

WARMING STATIONS WERE GOING OUT, ALL THOSE THINGS.

SO JUST THAT INCREASE THE INTENTIONALITY ABOUT INCREASING COMMUNICATION.

EVER SINCE WINTER STORM URI HAS BEEN FANTASTIC.

SO THANKS TO ALL THAT, THAT WHILE I WAS AT HOME TRYING TO GET MY THERMOSTAT TO GET UP TO 70, THEY WERE OUT WORKING AND DOING WHATEVER NEEDED TO BE DONE.

SO I'M TRULY GRATEFUL.

AND THEN THE ON THE 15TH.

SO MY MOM'S BIRTHDAY PASSED.

SO I WANT TO SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MOM.

SHE HAS, SHE'S DONE AMAZING THINGS.

PUT UP WITH A LOT BETWEEN MY BROTHER AND I AND SISTERS AND ALL THAT.

SO SHE'S FANTASTIC.

FORMER HOME ECONOMICS TEACHER.

AND SO WE NEED TO BRING THAT BACK, BY THE WAY.

SO. AND SHE'S A COUNSELOR, WORKED AND WENT BACK TO SCHOOL, GOT HER MASTER'S, GOT HER DOCTORATE.

JUST DONE AMAZING THINGS.

SO, TRULY GRATEFUL.

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AND SHE PUTS UP WITH MY DAD.

THAT'S THE BIGGEST TROPHY SHE GETS.

AND THEN I HAD A CONVERSATION TODAY.

MORE TO COME. I HAD A CONVERSATION TODAY WITH WING.

THAT IS THE DRONE DELIVERY SERVICE THAT IS LAUNCHED IN THIS AREA IN FRISCO AND IN LEWISVILLE.

SO GATHERING MORE INFORMATION, SHARING THAT WITH THE CITY MANAGER AS I GET IT.

BUT EXCITING OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE.

THEY TOLD ME ABOUT EXCITING THINGS HAPPEN ON UNT CAMPUS.

SO REALLY FORWARD LOOKING, TRYING TO GET SOME PLANNING GOING IN PLACE AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ORDINANCES AND RULES REGULATIONS AROUND THINGS IN ADVANCE.

BEFORE THIS, WE GET INTO PREEMPTION ISSUES, THAT SORT OF THING.

I WANT TO REALLY MAKE SURE WE HAVE A PATH FORWARD FOR THE CITY THAT WE WANT TO DESIGN VERSUS WHAT GETS HANDED DOWN TO US.

AND SO ADDING SOME INTENTIONALITY TO THAT.

AND THEN IF YOU'VE NOT PURCHASED TICKETS, I DON'T KNOW IF TICKETS ARE STILL AVAILABLE.

LOOK ONLINE. UNITED WAY, DANCING WITH THE STARS ALWAYS A GREAT EVENT.

SO IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE TO SUPPORT THAT CAUSE AND THEY HAVE A VIRTUAL COMPONENT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE EVENT PROPER.

BUT PLEASE GO OUT AND SUPPORT YOUR YOUR FAVORITE LOCAL COMMUNITY DANCER AND THEIR PARTNER.

IT'LL BE A REALLY GOOD EVENT THOUGH.

IT'S VERY, VERY WELL ATTENDED AND LOTS OF FUN.

SO WITH THAT, AT 539, WE WILL ADJOURN UNTIL 630 ON THE DOT WHERE WE'LL TAKE UP OUR PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

IT IS 630 AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE'LL TAKE UP OUR LAST ITEM FOR THE EVENING.

[A. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding an amendment to an existing Planned Development District (PD 174, Country Lakes), with amendments including but not limited to, modification to the development plan to increase seating and parking capacity and modify access, on approximately 28 acres of land generally located at the northeast corner of Crawford Road and Carnegie Ridge Road in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official zoning map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted (4-0) to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Smith and second by Commissioner Villareal. (PDA23-0001a, St Mark, Julie Wyatt)]

IT'S ONE PUBLIC HEARING.

LET ME GET THERE.

THERE WE GO. AND THAT IS PDA 23-0001A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS REGARDING AN AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PD ONE SEVEN FOR COUNTRY LAKES WITH AMENDMENTS INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO MODIFICATIONS TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO INCREASE SEATING AND PARKING CAPACITY AND MODIFY ACCESS ON APPROXIMATELY 28 ACRES OF LAND.

IT'S GENERALLY LOCATED NORTHEAST CORNER OF CRAWFORD ROAD AND, CARNEGIE RIDGE ROAD IN THE CITY OF DENTON.

OH, AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

GOOD EVENING. I'M JULIE WYATT.

MY PRESENTATION IS HOPEFULLY COMING UP.

SO THIS IS PDA 20 3-0001 SAINT MARK'S.

BEFORE WE GET INTO THE SPECIFIC REQUEST, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY.

IT WAS THE PD 174 WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1999.

AT THAT TIME, IT WAS CALLED COUNTRY LAKES WEST.

THAT ORIGINAL PLAN AS SHOWN ON YOUR SCREEN, JUST IN THIS CORNER HERE, I DEPICTED A SCHOOL AND SOME RESIDENTIAL USES ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THAT WAS REVISED IN 2012 TO ALLOW THE RELIGIOUS FACILITY USE, AND THAT ALSO INCLUDED A DETAILED PLAN THAT INCLUDED SIX BUILDINGS, 1400 SEATS WITHIN THE SANCTUARY, 380 PARKING SPACES, THREE DRIVEWAY CONNECTION CONNECTIONS, ONE TO THE NORTH, ONE TO THE SOUTH, AND ONE TO THE WEST, TWO OF WHICH HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED.

A LOOPED DRIVE AISLE, WHICH IS MOSTLY COMPLETE NOW.

A DRAINAGE AREA ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

CONCEPTUAL ARCHITECTURE AND GENERAL PHASING.

SOME OF THE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED THE RELIGIOUS EDUCATION BUILDING, THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, AND THE, THE AREA IN PURPLE, THE SANCTUARY THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW.

THEY ARE PROPOSING TO MODIFY THAT APPROVED PLAN TO ADD 400 ADDITIONAL SEATS WITHIN THE SANCTUARY.

IT WOULDN'T INCREASE THE BUILDING SIZE.

IT WOULD JUST RECONFIGURE AND ADD THOSE SEATS INTERNALLY, AN ADDITIONAL 136 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE SEATS.

TWO 2000 SQUARE FOOT COVERED ENTRANCES FOR ENTERING AND EXITING THE BUILDING.

AND THEN TO SHIFT THAT WEST DRIVEWAY TO THE NORTH, TO ALIGN WITH CEDARHURST, WHICH WOULD GIVE A LITTLE MORE STORAGE ON SITE, ALLOW FOR ABOUT 14 CARS TO QUEUE UP IN THAT LOCATION.

SO WE LOOKED AT THE IMPACTS WITH THE PROPOSAL.

IT WOULD NOT INTRODUCE ANY NEW USES OR ADD ANY SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THAT SANCTUARY.

BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT WITH THAT, WITH THE ADDITIONAL SEATS, THERE WOULD BE TRAFFIC IMPACTS.

AND SO WE DID ASK THE APPLICANT TO GO AHEAD AND PREPARE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS ANALYSIS WHICH STAFF HAS REVIEWED.

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NOT ONLY DID THEY PROVIDE THE PEAK TRIPS, WHICH IS WHAT WE TYPICALLY SEE WITH MAYBE A COMMERCIAL USE.

THOSE PEAK WEEKDAY HOURS, WE ALSO ASKED FOR THOSE SUNDAY PEAK TRIPS, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHERE YOU SEE MOST OF THE ACTIVITY ON SITE.

THE WEEKDAY TRIPS ARE ABOUT 0.9 PER SEAT, SO THE ADDITIONAL 400 SEATS WOULD GENERATE ABOUT 360 TRIPS DURING THE WEEK.

THE SUNDAY TRIPS ARE ABOUT 2.21 PER SEAT, WHICH WOULD GENERATE ABOUT 884 ADDITIONAL TRIPS ON SUNDAY.

NOW REMEMBER, THEY ARE APPROVED FOR THE 1400 SEATS.

SO WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT CHANGE.

SO THAT ADDITIONAL 400 SEATS WOULD WOULD GENERATE ABOUT 884 TRIPS.

THE THE AREA ROADWAYS INCLUDE CRAWFORD ROAD, THAT IS IS A ROAD THAT IS PRIMARILY OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY ARGYLE.

THEY ARE RECENTLY RECONSTRUCTED IT IN IN 2021 WITH TWO TRAVEL LANES AND LEFT TURN LANES.

THEY DON'T INTEND TO MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL EXPANSIONS AT THIS TIME.

THE TIA ESTIMATES THE CURRENT TRIPS ON THAT ROAD RIGHT NOW PER DAY, OR ABOUT 5600, BUT THAT IS EXPECTED TO GROW.

AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH IN THE AREA.

WE HAVE HUNTER COLE OFF TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY.

WE'VE GOT SAGE BROOK TO THE NORTH, AND THEN AND THEN THAT COUNTRY, LAKES PD IS ALSO FINISHING UP JUST TO THE NORTH EAST OF THE SITE.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH IN THE AREA THERE THAT THAT ROAD IS EXPECTED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL TRIPS.

THEY, THEY LOOKED AT THE INTERSECTIONS ASSOCIATED OR WITH THE PROPOSAL AND THEY DETERMINE THAT THE, THE CARNEGIE RIDGE AND CRAWFORD ROAD, THAT CONNECTION AT THAT PEAK TIME WOULD GENERATE A LEVEL OF SERVICE OF C.

AND THAT'S THAT'S ABOUT A 22ND DELAY, I BELIEVE.

THAT THAT MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE CHURCH WOULD BE A LEVEL OF SERVICE F AT AT THOSE PEAK TIMES, AND THAT WOULD BE ABOUT A 1 TO 2 MINUTE DELAY FOR PROPERTIES EXITING THE CHURCH ON THOSE, THOSE SUNDAY PEAK TIMES.

SO BECAUSE OF THOSE LEVEL OF SERVICE, THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE F THE TIA DID RECOMMEND A WESTBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE ON CRAWFORD ROAD TO ALLOW CARS TO ENTER THE SITE MORE EFFECTIVELY, AND ALSO AN OFF DUTY, OFF DUTY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO DIRECT TRAFFIC. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS PUTTING INTO THE, PD NECESSARILY, BECAUSE THAT'S AN OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTIC, KIND OF HARD TO ENFORCE IN A ZONING DOCUMENT.

PUBLIC OUTREACH WAS SENT OUT.

WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME RESPONSES.

AS A RESULT OF THAT NOTIFICATION, THIS ONE ALSO HAD AN ONLINE PETITION THAT STARTED.

IT WAS A CHANGE.ORG PETITION.

AND THERE WERE 138 RESPONSES ON THAT CHANGE.ORG PETITION.

THEY THE NEIGHBORS WERE ACCOMMODATING AND PROVIDED ME THAT INFORMATION SO I COULD SEE WHO WITHIN, WITHIN THOSE RESPONSES WERE WITHIN THAT 200 FOOT BOUNDARY OF THE REQUEST.

AND SEVEN OF THOSE RESPONSES WERE WITHIN 200FT.

WE RECEIVED 26 LETTERS IN OPPOSITION, NINE WITHIN THAT 200FT.

SO WE'RE ABOUT 6.3%.

SO THAT WOULD NOT TRIGGER A SUPERMAJORITY FROM COUNCIL.

WE RECEIVED 15 IN FAVOR AND ZERO NEUTRAL.

THEY DID HAVE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.

I BELIEVE THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY ATTENDEES AT THE FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.

AT THE SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.

THE WE HEARD THAT THE PRIMARY CONCERNS WERE THE TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WEST DRIVEWAY CONNECTION.

SO THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN DECEMBER.

THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST FOR TO ZERO, AND STAFF HAS ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THE APPLICANT APPLICANT IS HERE.

THEY DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION.

I THINK HE'D PROBABLY LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS AND BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE HEAR THE APPLICANT.

SEEING NONE. LET ME PULL DOWN.

CAN WE SEE IF, OH, YEAH.

YEAH. HE KNOWS. WHAT ABOUT MAYOR PRO TEM? THANK YOU, MISTER MAYOR. JULIE.

THE 136 ADDITIONAL SPOTS IS IS THAT, CAUSED BY OUR CODE FOR ADDITIONAL OCCUPANCY, OR THEY WANT 136 ADDITIONAL SPOTS? THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

THEY THEY HAVE REQUESTED THAT.

SO OUR CODE REQUIRES 4 OR 1 SPACE FOR EVERY FOUR OCCUPANTS OF THE BUILDING.

I WORKED WITH BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND THEY DETERMINED THE OCCUPANCY OF THE BUILDING, I BELIEVE, WAS 1885, WHICH, WOULD BE ABOUT

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476 SPACES.

SO THEIR RATIO IS IS ABOUT 3.4 SPACES OR A RATIO OF YES PER OCCUPANTS, ONE SPACE PER 3.4 OCCUPANTS.

WE WERE OKAY WITH THAT, WITH THAT.

BECAUSE WHAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IS THAT THE IMPACTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WERE AS LIMITED AS POSSIBLE.

SO WE FELT LIKE BY IT BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE CARS ON SITE WOULD POTENTIALLY PREVENT ANY SPILLOVER OR TRAFFIC IMPACTS, ESPECIALLY ON A WEEKLY BASIS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.

THE APPLICANT IS RICH OLSON.

OLSON. RON.

RON. RICH.

OH, RACHEL. RICH! RICH! I TOLD HIM WRONG.

OKAY. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE, TEN MINUTES.

MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS RICHARD OLSON.

I LIVE AT 10412 CASCADE DRIVE, DENTON, TEXAS.

I'M A MEMBER OF SAINT MARK'S BUILDING COMMITTEE AND I ALSO REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER HERE.

HOWEVER, MY INVOLVEMENT ON THIS PROJECT IS JUST A SMALL FRACTION OF THAT.

I HAD SOME PLANNING BACKGROUND IN THE PAST.

THAT'S WHY THEY'VE ASKED ME TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU.

BUT WE DO HAVE OUR MANAGEMENT TEAM HERE, WHICH INCLUDES OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, OUR ARCHITECT, AND OTHER, PEOPLE OF EXPERTISE THAT CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS. AS STAFF HAS SAID, THEY HAVE PROVIDED YOU A VERY THOROUGH WORKUP.

ONE OF THE BEST ONES I'VE SEEN.

I WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT STAFF.

AND I USED TO BE INVOLVED IN THE OTHER END OF THAT.

SARA. WELL, WAS AWARE OF, THE MAJOR MEMO WERE REQUESTING, AS STATED BY STAFF, IS WE WANT FOR ADDITIONAL, 400 ADDITIONAL SEATS, 136 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOTS, 2000 FOOT, PORTABLES THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED SOMETIME IN THE, IN THE FUTURE.

ALSO WE WOULD WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THE ROAD THAT ENTERS IN ON, THAT GOES TO CARNEGIE RIDGE BE MOVED TO THE NORTH, ROUGHLY ABOUT 300FT TO CONNECT TO CEDARHURST. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL OR ANY STAFF MEMBERS OR ANY OF THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE CONCERNING THIS PROJECT. SO THAT'S MY PRIMARY FUNCTION HERE.

GREAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

THE ROAD THAT, THE DRIVEWAY IS GOING ONTO.

YES. IS THAT JUST A TWO LANE ROAD OR IS IT A TURN LANE OR I MEAN, A TURN IT IS, IT IS, IT IS A TWO LANE ROAD.

THE THE CITY WAS GRANTED HAS VESTED RIGHTS IN THAT ENTRANCE ONTO CARNEGIE RIDGE BASED ON AN EARLIER THE PUD THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2012.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT WAS BEFORE THAT ENTIRE SUBDIVISION WAS EVER EVEN BUILT.

SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO IS MOVE THAT ROADWAY A LITTLE FARTHER NORTH SO IT TIES INTO CEDARHURST, JUST SO THE GEOMETRY OF THAT INTERSECTION IS BETTER AND CAN BETTER HANDLE THE TRAFFIC. AND ONE OF THE SIDE OF, SIDE BENEFITS FOR US, IT DOES ALLOW MORE ADDITIONAL INTERNAL STACKING ONTO OUR SITE.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

COUNCILMAN HOLLAND. GOOD EVENING.

I'M I'M SURPRISED THAT YOUR YOUR SEATING WENT FROM 1400 TO.

YOU WANT TO DO IT TO 1800, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. HOW DID HOW DID THAT ERROR OR WHATEVER IT IS, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? WELL, OVER.

WE'RE IN A GROWTH AREA RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT NOW, SAINT MARK'S HAS OVER 3000 FAMILIES THAT ARE MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH.

WHETHER IT'S THIS BODY OR OTHER BODIES IN, IN THAT GENERAL AREA HAVE APPROVED 10,000 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS, HAVE ALREADY BEEN PERMITTED OR ARE IN THE PLANNING PROCESS, BECAUSE OF THE NEED FOR PRIESTS AT MOST CATHOLIC CHURCHES.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING WHAT THE DIOCESE IS DOING IS KIND OF GROWING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE CHURCH BECAUSE THE LACK OF PRIESTS WE HAVE.

OKAY, BUT SURELY YOU KNEW ALL OF THAT.

WHEN? WHEN WAS THE DECISION MADE TO MAKE A 1400 SEAT SANCTUARY? WELL, THAT, THE APPROVAL WAS DONE, I BELIEVE, IN 2012.

AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.

THAT WAS 11 YEARS AGO.

THAT SEEMED LIKE A LOT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU REMEMBER, AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, HUNTER RANCH WASN'T, BEING DISCUSSED.

COLE RANCH WASN'T BEING DONE.

THE STUFF IN NORTHLAKE, THE RIDGE DEVELOPMENT, AND HARVEST DEVELOPMENT WEREN'T EVEN, WE'RE JUST STARTING TO BE DEVELOPED.

SO WE HAVE SEEN A MUSHROOM OF GROWTH OUT IN THAT WESTERN PART OF THE STATE.

I, YOU CAN TELL BY MY ADDRESS.

I LIVE IN ROBESON RANCH.

WE HAVE SEEN ROPES AND RANCH, WHICH WAS A, WHICH WAS APPROVED WELL BEFORE THE CHURCH WAS.

AND WE'VE SEEN OUR BUILDING CONTINUE TO GROW OUT THERE.

WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THE THE THE SPACE WITHIN THE WITHIN THE SANCTUARY BUILDING ITSELF TO ADD 400 MORE.

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IT'S JUST RECONFIGURING OF THE SEATING IN THERE.

THE THE SANCTUARY ITSELF WILL STILL BE 34,000FT², PLUS OR -TEN SQUARE FEET.

WE'RE JUST RECONFIGURING, THE WAY THE PEWS ARE GOING TO BE SITTING THERE.

JESSE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, BUT WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE SIZE OF THE SHELL.

OKAY? OKAY.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE.

PARDON ME FOR THE APPLICANT? GREAT. OKAY, MAYOR.

OH. COUNCILWOMAN.

WHAT'S. YEAH.

REAL QUICK QUESTION.

AND THE APPLICANT MAY CAN ANSWER THIS OR STAFF CAN ON THE SERVICE LEVELS THAT WERE PRESENTED.

THERE WAS A COUPLE OF C'S AND AN AF.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THAT THOSE OCCURRED ONLY ONE DAY A WEEK.

AND THAT WAS DURING THE SUNDAY SERVICES FOR CERTAIN.

HOURLY TIME FRAME.

YOU KNOW, WHEN THE SERVICES ARE OUT AND NEW ONES ARE.

DO YOU HAVE MULTIPLE SERVICES IN THE SANCTUARY, RICHARD? YEAH, WE HAVE SEVEN SERVICES ON THE WEEKENDS.

WE HAVE A 5:00 SATURDAY, A 7:00 SATURDAY WE HAVE A 7 A.M..

ON SUNDAY WE HAVE A 9:00.

SUNDAY, WE HAVE AN 1130 SUNDAY AT TWO SUNDAY AND A FOUR SUNDAY.

WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS, OF COURSE, OUR TWO MASSES THAT HAVE THE HIGHEST, ATTENDANCE IS THE 9:00 AND 1130 MASS.

THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD SEE THE SERVICE LEVEL DROP TO F.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT BASED ON WHAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED, WE'RE WILLING TO GO AHEAD AND HIRE OFF DUTY POLICE OFFICERS TO ALLOW THAT TRAFFIC TO MERGE INTO CRAWFORD ROAD. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. YEP.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH.

WE'LL CALL YOU BACK DOWN.

JULIE, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M TRACKING.

DID YOU SAY THAT THE EXIT TO THE WEST.

WHEN WAS THE ORIGINAL PD? IT WAS. THE DETAILED PLAN WAS APPROVED IN 2012.

2012. SO IN 2012, IT INCLUDED A EXIT TO THE WEST.

A DRIVE TO THE WEST? YES, SIR. SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE? YES, SIR. AND THEN STAFF ASKED THEM TO MOVE IT? NO. THEY CAME TO US AND SAID WE'D LIKE TO MOVE IT.

AND BECAUSE IT ALIGNS WITH THAT INTERSECTION, PROVIDES THAT ADDITIONAL, QUEUING ON SITE THAT WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, THAT MOVING OF THAT DRIVEWAY. GOT IT.

AND THEN.

CEDARHURST IS A IS ALL THOSE ALL THOSE STREETS BUT BY AND LARGE ARE CUL DE SACS.

SO THERE'S RIGHT SO IS THERE SIGNAGE OR IS THERE THIS DISCUSSION ON SIGNAGE YOU WANT TO SHARE? YES. AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

SO DURING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, IT CAME TO CAME TO STAFF'S ATTENTION THAT THOSE CUL DE SACS DID NOT HAVE THE APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE TO INDICATE TO DRIVERS THAT THOSE WERE DEAD END STREETS.

AND SO WE WERE WE WERE GRATEFUL FOR THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE OUR, OUR TRANSPORTATION PLANNING TEAM WORKED WITH CITY STREETS TO GO AHEAD AND GET THOSE SIGNS INSTALLED.

THEY HAVE BEEN INSTALLED.

AND ON MY PRESENTATION I DID HAVE A PICTURE, BUT I FAILED TO TO MENTION THAT.

BUT THOSE SIGNS ARE INSTALLED TO TRY TO PREVENT DRIVERS WHO ARE EXITING FROM TRYING TO FIND A DIFFERENT WAY OUT AND KIND OF GETTING CAUGHT IN THOSE CUL DE SACS.

SO SO WE APPRECIATE THAT INFORMATION FROM THE RESIDENTS.

OKAY. GREAT.

THANK YOU. SURE.

SO THE I HAVE A FEW CARDS.

THE FIRST IS JOSEPH.

LOOKS LIKE DRACO BOY.

OKAY. IF YOU CAN COME UP, IF YOU'LL GIVE YOUR NAME AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

OKAY. MY NAME IS JOSEPH DRACO.

I LIVED AT 6006 20 CEDARHURST COURT.

MR. MAYOR AND ESTEEMED MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

I LIVE ON CEDARS COURT, AND I'M ALSO A PARISHIONER AT SAINT MARK.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK FIRST, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR THEIR EXCEPTIONAL WORK IN EVALUATING THE AMENDMENT AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE HERE, FOR THEIR THOUGHTFUL RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT ENHANCING SAFETY AND TRAFFIC.

SAINT MARK IS AN IMPORTANT AND NEEDED PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND AS FATHER JORGE HAS SAID MANY TIMES, WE HAVE A CHRISTIAN DUTY TO OUR NEIGHBORS.

THIS HAS LED TO SAINT MARK OPENING THEIR FACILITIES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING CONDUCTING HOA MEETINGS AND INVITING THE RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO PARISH EVENTS.

WITH FATHER GEORGE'S COMMITMENT TO HIRING OFF DUTY POLICE OFFICERS TO DIRECT TRAFFIC, AND THE ADDITION OF A GATE AT THE THIRD ENTRANCE ON CARNEGIE RIDGE.

I THINK THE AMENDMENT REPRESENTS A REDUCTION IN NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC IMPACT AND A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN SAFETY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I FULLY AND STRONGLY SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT.

I THINK THE CITY STAFF'S REPORT VERY NICELY PRESENTS THE BENEFITS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE REPOSITIONED DRIVEWAY AND INCREASED PARKING.

I WOULD LIKE TO BRIEFLY MENTION AND HIGHLIGHT THREE IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS.

FIRST, THE ADDITION OF SEATS WITHIN THE NEW SANCTUARY AND THE COVERED ENTRANCES HAVE BENEFITS WITH NO DISCERNIBLE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

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SHARED WORSHIP IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CATHOLIC LITURGY, AND THE INCREASED SEATING ALLOWS A GREATER NUMBER OF PARISHIONERS TO WORSHIP TOGETHER IN THE SAME BUILDING.

SECOND, THE ENTRYWAYS ENHANCE THE ESTHETICS OF SAINT MARK AND IS NOTED IN A RECENT POST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FACEBOOK GROUP.

SAINT MARK IS AN ATTRACTIVE PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THE UNIFIED LOOK OF SAINT PARK, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, POSITIVELY SUPPORTS THE VALUES OF HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SECOND, AS NOTED IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THE MOVEMENT OF THE THIRD DRIVEWAY TO INTERSECT WITH CEDARHURST COURT INCREASES SAFETY BY REDUCING CONFLICT POINTS.

ALTHOUGH CARNEGIE RIDGE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, IT FUNCTIONS MORE AS A CONNECTOR STREET.

NO HOUSES FACE CARNEGIE RIDGE, AND NO CARS REGULARLY PARK ON CARNEGIE RIDGE.

BY MOVING THE DRIVEWAY TO INTERSECT WITH CEDARHURST COURT.

MORE VEHICLES CAN REMAIN IN THE SAINT MARK DRIVEWAY, WHICH FACILITATES TRAFFIC FLOW AND REDUCES THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES ON CARNEGIE RIDGE.

ADDITIONALLY, SAINT MARK'S SECOND DRIVEWAY ATTACHES TO MEANDERING CREEK.

I REGULARLY SEE CHILDREN PLAYING ON MEANDERING CREEK, WHICH IS QUITE WONDERFUL, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVEN'T OBSERVED ON CARNEGIE RIDGE, EVEN FOR BRIEF PERIODS AROUND MASSES AND EVENTS. AT SAINT MARK, THE ADDITION OF CARS ON MEANDERING CREEK, EXCUSE ME, WOULD PRESENT SUBSTANTIALLY MORE RISKS THAN THOSE SAME VEHICLES ON CARNEGIE RIDGE.

FINALLY, THE ABILITY FOR CARS PARKING AT SAINT MARK TO ENTER AND EXIT FROM CARNEGIE RIDGE ENHANCES TRAFFIC FLOW.

INSTEAD OF PEOPLE HAVING TO DRIVE THROUGH MEANDERING CREEK TO GET INTO SAINT MARK, AS I DO WHEN I GO TO SAINT MARK, VEHICLES CAN ENTER FROM CARNEGIE RIDGE, WHICH IS ALSO A MORE EFFICIENT ROUTE TO I-35W.

THIRD, AND PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY, SAINT MARK HAS BEEN, IS AND WILL BE GROWING EACH YEAR.

THERE ARE MORE VEHICLES AND THIS WILL CONTINUE FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

THIS IS A VERY GOOD THING FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS AN ACTIVE AND GROWING RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY IS A POSITIVE BENEFIT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE BROADER DENTON COMMUNITY.

BY EXPANDING THE PARKING LOT, MORE VEHICLES WILL BE ABLE TO REMAIN ON SAINT MARK'S PROPERTY INSTEAD OF IN NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.

THE PARKING LOT IS ALSO FAR MORE ESTHETICALLY PLEASING THAN THE DEGRADED GRASS AND MUD FROM VEHICLES.

PARKING ON THE GRASS, WHICH FREQUENTLY AND CURRENTLY HAPPENS WHEN SAINT MARK'S PARKING LOTS ARE FULL.

ADDITIONAL PARKING ALSO HAS THREE SAFETY BENEFITS.

FIRST, THIS BEST ENSURES THERE WILL BE FEWER CARS PARKED ON THE STREET, WHICH COULD QUICKLY PULL OUT AND IMPACT A PEDESTRIAN OR COLLIDE WITH ANOTHER VEHICLE.

SECOND, THIS PREVENTS CARS FROM BLOCKING PASSAGE ALONG MEANDERING CREEK.

FINALLY, MEANDERING CREEK IS OFTEN FULL, AND IF THERE ARE CARS PARKED ON MEANDERING CREEK RATHER THAN PARKING LOT AT SAINT MARK'S, IT WILL BE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO TRAVEL.

WITH TWO VEHICLES IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS ALONG MEANDERING CREEK, WHICH SUBSTANTIALLY DELAYS NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM FREELY MOVING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, AND I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THE CITY STAFF FOR THEIR EXCEPTIONALLY WELL CONDUCTED STUDY AND CLEAR AND CONCISE REPORT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. MAYOR. NEXT SPEAKER IS RICHARD FREEZE.

IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS RICHARD PRICE.

I AM A RESIDENT OF CARNEGIE RIDGE.

HERE'S A SITUATION.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS WHOLE THING WAS SO SECRETLY 12 YEARS AGO.

THIS WAS PASSED, AND WE'RE JUST FINDING OUT ABOUT IT LAST MONTH THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EXIT ON CARNEGIE RIDGE.

I MEAN, THE DEVELOPERS DIDN'T TELL US.

THE BUILDERS DIDN'T TELL US.

FOLKS. I WAS IN SALES FOR 20 YEARS.

THAT'S DECEPTIVE TRADE PRACTICE.

THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCLOSED TO 211 FAMILIES IN CARNEGIE RIDGE.

THIS IS GOING TO PROPOSE QUITE A BIT OF A PROBLEM, BUT WE CAN WORK WITH IT IF THEY KEEP IT AT WOODMERE.

YOU'RE ONLY BLOCKING TWO STREETS.

THAT'S 72 HOMES.

YOU HOPE THERE'S NOT AN EMERGENCY COMES UP.

IF YOU HAVE CARS STACKED LIKE THEY'RE SAYING IN THE CHURCH, THEY'RE GOING TO BE STACKED ON CARNEGIE RIDGE BOULEVARD.

IF A FIRE TRUCK TRIES TO GET IN, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THEM? CARS? YOU CAN'T BACK THEM UP.

YOU CAN'T GO FORWARD. YOU GO SIDEWAYS.

YOU'RE GOING UP OVER A CURVE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BUST A TIRE OR A ARM OR SOMETHING.

THAT WAS NOT DESIGNED FOR THAT.

HEY. I KNOW I PROBABLY SOUND A LITTLE.

THE WHOLE THING JUST IS, IS IS SO BECAUSE IF YOU COME IN TO CRAWFORD ON THE CARNEGIE RIDGE, THE FIRST STREET IS WRIGLEY.

IT'S GOT 30. NO, IT'S GOT EIGHT HOMES.

THE NEXT ONE IS WOODMERE.

IT'S GOT 28 HOMES.

CEDARHURST HAS GOT 35 HOMES.

THAT'S 72 HOMES THAT YOU'D BE BLOCKING.

WELL, YOU'RE PROBABLY WONDERING WHY I KEEP SAYING CEDARHURST.

WELL, GUESS WHOSE HOUSE IS ON THE CORNER OF CEDARHURST AND CARNEGIE RIDGE BOULEVARD?

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MINE. IT WAS BUILT BY PULTE.

ALL THE HOUSES ON CARNEGIE RIDGE GOING UP THROUGH THERE ARE ALL 12FT FOR 15FT FROM THE SIDEWALK.

OKAY. 2121 I'M SORRY, 21FT FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THEIR HOUSE.

MINE IS NINE FOOT.

IT'S A BIG HOUSE.

THEY PUT IT ON A SMALL LOT.

SOMEONE HAD TO OKAY IT TO MOVE THAT HOUSE OUT THERE TO HAVE IT BUILT.

SO THAT PUTS THAT INTERSECTION RIGHT AT MY FRONT DOOR.

YEAH, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME A VERY HAPPY CAMPER.

THE OTHER SITUATION IS TO BE BLOCKING 72 HOMES.

WHO'S GOING TO BE LIABLE FOR THAT? I MEAN, I GUESS PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY FIRE TRUCKS GOT THEM BIG BUMPERS.

I GUESS THEY'LL FIND OUT.

FIRE TRUCKS DO HAVE TOP PRIORITY.

THEY WILL PUSH YOU OUT OF THE WAY IF YOU DON'T GET OUT OF THE WAY.

I HAD A FRIEND OF MINE I WAS JUST TALKING TO A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

GOT A TICKET FOR $250 BECAUSE HE WAS FOLLOWING A FIRE TRUCK TO CLOSE ON 35 W.

AND YOU CAN DO IT. THAT'S ONE OF MY BIG CONCERNS.

IS THE EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT IN THERE? THEY'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT, AN AMBULANCE.

LET'S SAY A GUY HAS A HEART ATTACK OR SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, TO ME, EVERY SECOND COUNTS.

I MEAN, HELL, I'M OLD MYSELF.

I'M 77.

NEVER KNOW.

ACCIDENTS HAPPEN.

WHAT IF A HOUSE BURNS OR A GUY DIES BECAUSE AN AMBULANCE OR FIRE TRUCK COULDN'T GET THERE ON TIME? HE'S GOING TO BE LIABLE FOR THAT.

YOU ON HERE? OKAY.

SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE.

OKAY. THERE'S NUMEROUS TRUCKS THAT COME IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WEEKLY BECAUSE MY HOUSE IS THERE BY CARNEGIE RIDGE.

I CAN SEE I'M RIGHT CATTY CORNER ACROSS FROM THE POOL.

AMAZON'S IN THERE 4 OR 5 TIMES A DAY.

FEDEX IS IN THERE 4 OR 5 TIMES A DAY.

UPS IS IN THERE FOUR TIMES A DAY.

KROGER'S AND WALMART AND I THINK THEY'RE DELIVERING GROCERIES.

I DON'T THINK THEY WANT TO GET STUCK IN TRAFFIC WITH PERISHABLE, PERISHABLE FOODS.

THAT'S YOUR TIME. I'M SORRY.

THAT'S YOUR TIME.

YOU ONLY GET FOUR MINUTES.

BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

THANK YOU.

IT NEEDS TO STAY AT WOODMERE.

YES, SIR. MYRON.

HIP HOP.

IF YOU CAN COME DOWN, YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME. NAME IS MYRON HOPPE.

I'M ALSO LIVE ON THE CORNER OF CEDARHURST AND CARNEGIE RIDGE.

AND I KNOW Y'ALL DID A TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT IF ANY OF Y'ALL BEEN AROUND THERE WHEN CHURCHES LET DOWN BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN 1 OR 2 MINUTE WAIT.

AND WE INCREASE IT, IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE.

AND COULD WE NOT TAKE THE ENTRANCE OUT TO JOHN PAINE? THAT'S A BIGGER ROAD.

NO IMPACTS? NO. PEOPLE LIVING IN THE ADDITION.

SO WOULDN'T THAT BE A BETTER OPTION? IT MAY COST THEM A LITTLE MORE MONEY.

IT'S A LITTLE LONGER.

BUT IT SURE SAVES A LOT OF PROBLEMS. AND IT GOES INTO THE ROUNDABOUT WHICH IS WAS PUT IN THERE TO HELP TRAFFIC.

SO IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT WOULD BE A LOT BETTER SITUATION THAN DUMPING INTO IT AN ADDITION.

AND WITH THE PARK ON CARNEGIE RIDGE, ESPECIALLY IN THE SPRING, SUMMER AND FALL, A LOT OF KIDS, ALL HOURS OF THE DAY GOING UP TO THE PARK.

SO THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THERE'S, KATRINA THOMAS, YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME.

YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

I GOT A MAP PUT UP. CERTAINLY, IF YOU'LL SET IT THERE.

AND IF WE COULD GET THE DOCUMENT CAMERA, PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT, THOMAS, I LIVE AT 6408 ROARING CREEK.

I'M NOT DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS, BUT I WAS WITHIN THE 500FT.

WE NEVER RECEIVED A NOTICE.

NEITHER DID ANYBODY ELSE WITHIN THE 500FT.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WERE POSTCARDS SENT OUT.

AS A COURTESY. I DID POLL NEIGHBORS.

I'M THE ONE THAT PUT UP THE PETITION FOR CHANGE.ORG.

I'M THE ONE THAT GOT THAT STARTED, THAT PUT UP ALL THE VERBIAGE FOR THAT UP ON CHANGE.

AND PART OF THAT WAS BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST SATURDAY AND SUNDAY SERVICES.

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WE HAVE WEEKDAY SERVICES ALSO THAT NOBODY MENTIONED.

WE HAVE TRAFFIC ON A NORMAL SUNDAY.

THIS WEEKEND I WENT OUT TO GO TO KROGER AND I'M WAITING ON MEANDERING CREEK TO GET OUT AS PEOPLE ARE CUTTING OUT EDUCATION ONTO MEANDERING AND GOING IN BOTH DIRECTIONS TOWARDS JOHN PAYNE AS WELL AS TOWARDS CARNEGIE RICH, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE EDUCATION DRIVE ALREADY SET UP AND THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO EDUCATION TO MEANDERING OUT TO JOHN PAYNE, THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE ALREADY CUTTING THROUGH OUR SUBDIVISION.

THEY'RE ALREADY SPEEDING THROUGH OUR SUBDIVISION.

OKAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO ADD ANOTHER DRIVEWAY.

NONE OF US HERE I BELIEVE I CAN SPEAK FOR MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

NONE OF US HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE EXPANDED PARKING.

NONE OF US HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE EXPANDED, SIZE OF THE SANCTUARY.

WHAT WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IS THE TRAFFIC.

WE DON'T WANT MORE TRAFFIC IN OUR SUBDIVISION.

IT'S SMALL ENOUGH AS IT IS.

WE HAVE TWO WAYS IN AND TWO WAYS OUT.

PERIOD. THE LANES ARE BARELY WIDE ENOUGH RIGHT NOW.

YOU CANNOT PUT TWO VEHICLES, ONE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, PARKED.

IF YOU DO, YOU CAN GET ONE VEHICLE THROUGH THE CENTER.

SO IF YOU HAVE ONE SET OF PEOPLE PARKED, YOU'RE TAKING TURNS GETTING PAST THAT PERSON TO DRIVE PAST THEM ON THE ROAD.

OKAY, THAT'S NOW THIS WEEKEND, THERE WERE PEOPLE PARKED OUT ON MEANDERING THAT BELONGED TO THE CHURCH THAT WALKED OUT FROM THE CHURCH.

THERE ARE ALREADY PARKING ON OUR STREETS AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO INTRODUCE MORE CARS.

THEY WANTED TO ADD, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY VEHICLES INTO THE NEW PARKING.

AND THEY'RE SAYING, OH, WELL, ON ONE OF THE THINGS IN DECEMBER THEY HAD SAID X NUMBER OF VEHICLES ARE GOING TO BE LEAVING OUT THAT WAY.

GREAT. THAT'S X NUMBER OF VEHICLES INTO OUR SUBDIVISION THAT ARE NOT JUST GOING TO TURN TOWARDS CRAWFORD.

THEY'RE GOING TO SEE THE LINE AT CRAWFORD, AND THEY'RE GOING TO TURN RIGHT AND GO TOWARDS MEANDERING AND BE MORE VEHICLES CUTTING THROUGH.

WE DON'T WANT IT. WE DON'T WANT THE VEHICLES, WE DON'T WANT THE TRAFFIC.

WE DON'T WANT THE DANGER TO OUR CHILDREN.

MY KIDS ARE GROWN.

I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH MY KIDS.

AT SOME POINT, HOPEFULLY I'LL HAVE GRANDBABIES IN HERE VISITING.

I DON'T WANT THAT ISSUE.

WE HAVE KIDS ON BIKES.

AS THE WEATHER WARMS UP, WE'LL HAVE MORE KIDS ON BIKES.

THEY JUST REDID OUR PARK.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE KIDS GOING TO THE PARK.

WHAT I PUT UP ON THE MAP RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS FROM 1999.

THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED IN 1999.

IF YOU NOTICE WHERE THE CHURCH IS, THERE'S A WHOLE NOTHER STREET THAT LOOPS AROUND.

1999 IS WHEN THE HOUSES WERE APPROVED.

MY LOT NUMBER IS 53 ON THE BACK SIDE OF ROARING CREEK.

IT IS THE THIRD HOUSE TO THE WEST FROM RUSSIAN CREEK.

THAT'S LOT 53.

THAT'S MINE.

1999, ALL OF THESE HOUSES WERE PLATTED.

2012 IS WHEN EVERYTHING CHANGED AND THE CHURCH WAS ALLOWED TO PUT IN AS A CHURCH INSTEAD OF AN EDUCATION CENTER.

THIS WAS PLATTED AND PLANNED IN 1999.

WE'RE BEING IMPACTED NOW.

OKAY. THE DEVELOPERS LIED.

THEY LIED ABOUT SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS.

IT'S RIDICULOUS. I PAID A $15,000 PREMIUM FOR MY LOT.

THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP BEHIND MY HOUSE.

THE WHOLE THING WAS, IS THAT IT WAS GOING TO STAY AT LEAST A GREEN BELT WITH A SPACE.

WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THE GREEN BELT.

IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY.

IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE HOUSES OR IT'S GOING TO BE MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS.

THAT JUST THRILLS ME TO DEATH.

I PAID A PREMIUM, BUT WE'VE GOT THE ISSUE HERE WHERE 1999, THIS WAS PLANNED AND THE CHURCH WAS PLANNED IN 2012.

THEY KEEP SAYING THEY WERE HERE BEFORE WE WERE TECHNICALLY YES, THEY WERE HERE BEFORE THEY BROKE GROUND FOR HOUSES.

WE WERE PLANNED BEFORE THEY WERE, AND THERE'S BEEN NO CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO THE GROWTH, THE FUTURE GROWTH 25 YEARS IN ADVANCE FROM 1999 TO NOW.

TRAFFIC'S INCREASED, WE'RE GOING TO BE KIND OF SCREWED.

I'M OUT OF TIME. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.

BECAUSE YOU RAISE.

A POINT IF.

HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE.

IF I LEAVE THE CHURCH PROPERTY AND I GO ON EDUCATION DRIVE AND I TURN LEFT ON MEANDERING CREEK DRIVE, LEFT IS GOING TO TAKE YOU WESTBOUND TOWARDS CRAWFORD OR TOWARDS CARNEGIE RIDGE.

YES. IF YOU SCREW UP AND YOU MISS CARNEGIE RIDGE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE WHIPPING THROUGH THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN TO, CREEK MIR, OVER TO ROARING AND BACKING AROUND.

BUT YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE COMING OUT ON CARNEGIE.

I'M TRACKING WITH YOU, BUT.

SO YOU TURN LEFT ON CARNEGIE RIDGE TO GET OUT OF THE AREA.

GIVEN THAT EXAMPLE, WITHOUT THE DRIVE, ALL OF CARNEGIE IS FULL.

RIGHT. YOU'D STAGE CARS THE ENTIRE STREET EITHER WAY, WITH OR WITHOUT THE DRIVEWAY.

YOU CAN YOU CAN FILL UP CARNEGIE RIDGE WITH CARS IN YOUR EXAMPLE.

IT'S GOING TO GET FILLED UP ANYWAY, BUT NOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE PUSHING CARS OUT ON THAT END AS WELL, INTENTIONALLY.

WELL, WE'RE SEEING TRAFFIC BOTH DIRECTIONS, SIR.

OKAY. BUT I'M TRACKING WITH YOU.

I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I'M PROCESSING INFORMATION, RIGHT, WHETHER THIS DRIVE IS THERE OR NOT.

MATTER OF FACT, TO YOUR TO, JOSEPH'S POINT.

I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. NO, I DON'T KNOW.

I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT MY NOTES AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE TOO MUCH TIME.

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BUT TO HIS POINT, HE MENTIONED BRINGING IT DOWN TO WOODMERE TO LESSEN THE STAGING.

BUT THAT DOESN'T WORK IF THERE'S NO WAY TO LESSEN THE STAGING, EVEN WITH OR WITHOUT THE DRIVE, IT NETS OUT THE SAME.

IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THERE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING PLANNING IS THERE PLANNING 14 CARS ON THAT ELONGATED DRIVE BY MOVING IT FROM THE MIDDLE RIGHT DOWN TO CREEK MAYOR? BECAUSE ON THE ORIGINAL PLOT FOR THEM, IT SHOWS BETWEEN WOODMERE AND CREEK MERE BASICALLY TEEING OUT INTO THE PARK.

RIGHT. BUT EDUCATION DRIVE IS THERE AND FUNCTIONING NOW.

IT IS SORT OF FUNCTIONING, BUT YES, SIR.

YES. SO IT COULD.

IF IF THAT STAGING CAN.

NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THE THE PARK, THE PUBLIC STREET.

RIGHT. SO PEOPLE CAN PARK IN FRONT OF THE HOUSES.

I UNDERSTAND THAT RUBS PEOPLE RIGHT OR WRONG, I GET IT.

BUT IT'S IT'S PUBLIC STREET.

SO THAT'S THAT'S DOABLE ON ALL THESE SPACES UNLESS IT'S POSTED NOT TO.

BUT OKAY.

THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD YOU RIGHT, THAT, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS HAPPENING CURRENTLY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A CONSIDERATION.

STILL LISTENING. BUT BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I'M PROCESSING INFORMATION, STACKING UP ON MEANDERING, GOING OUT ON JOHN PAYNE, WAITING FOR THE STOP SIGN.

THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT AT 35, AT LEAST FOR THE MOMENT, IT'S A STOP SIGN.

THERE'S NO CONTROLLED LIGHT AT THE OTHER END.

AT 377, WE HAVE A RAILROAD TRACK THAT INTERRUPTS TRAFFIC FLOW AS WELL AS A LIGHT.

OKAY. WHEN THE FREEWAYS SCREWED UP, WE'RE BACKED UP ALL THE WAY ACROSS.

YOU CAN'T GET IN OR OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

CERTAINLY. OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THE INSIGHT.

YES, SIR. MARK.

BEN COWAN. THANK YOU.

YEAH. YES.

MARK TO THE RESCUE. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU.

I LIVE AT 367 CEDARHURST.

I'M AT THE TOP OF THE CUL DE SAC.

I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, BUT SOME OF THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN WELL STATED.

BEFORE I FORGET, THOUGH, I DO WANT TO GIVE KUDOS, TO THE STAFF.

THEY HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD AT COMMUNICATING, AT LEAST WITH ME AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, LETTING US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, GETTING US INFORMATION AND ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS. SO, BIG KUDOS TO YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU. MY BIG CONCERN THAT I AM GOING TO TRY TO DEMONSTRATE HERE.

AND OF COURSE, WOULDN'T YOU KNOW IT, IT ROTATED ON ME.

IS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THIS LINE OF TRAFFIC.

WE ARE IN THE PARKING LOT OF SAINT MARK'S.

WE ARE LOOKING WEST OF CRAWFORD ROAD.

SEE THAT LINE OF CARS? IT'S 3/10 OF A MILE FROM THE TOP OF THAT HILL TILL YOU GET DOWN TO THE INTERSTATE.

SO THAT TELLS YOU HOW MUCH THE BACKUP IS.

NOW, IN FULL DISCLOSURE, THIS WAS CHRISTMAS EVE, SO IT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE HIGHEST ATTENDANCE DAYS THEY HAVE.

I ADMIT THAT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU I'VE BEEN THERE ON OTHER DAYS, AND I'VE BEEN SITTING THERE WAITING TO TURN OUT ONTO CRAWFORD ROAD AND YOU WAIT FOR A WHILE. MY BIG CONCERN, AND THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE CHURCH, IS THE NEED FOR HAVING TRAFFIC CONTROL THERE, HAVING OFFICERS THERE.

ALSO, THE CHURCH HAS COMMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING TO HAVE A BARRIER PUT UP SO THAT ON DAYS WHEN THERE IS NOT A CHURCH SERVICE GOING ON, THEY WILL HAVE A GATE.

THAT'S GREAT.

WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH THERE IN THE CHURCH, I UNDERSTAND DOESN'T WANT PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT AS WELL.

MY CONCERN IS WHAT PROMISE DO WE HAVE THAT WHEN FATHER JORGE LEAVES? WHO MADE THIS COMMITMENT THAT THAT WILL STILL BE THERE, THAT THEY WON'T MAKE A DECISION LATER ON? WELL, WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.

NO, WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP THAT GATE CLOSED.

WHERE'S THE TEETH? WHERE'S THE OBLIGATION TO FULFILL WHAT THEY HAVE PROMISED? BOTH THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND WHAT THEY HAVE STATED HERE.

I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THAT WHEN THEY MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.

I UNDERSTAND THIS DECISION WAS MADE BACK IN 2012, WHEN THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO COULD HAVE OPPOSED THE PLAN AT THAT TIME, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT LOT, OR COYOTES AND SNAKES AND BIRDS.

THE SORRY THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP, MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE SPOKEN FOR US, BUT WE BOUGHT INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, DID NOT KNOW IT WAS COMING.

AND SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO WHAT YOU CAN TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HAVE.

EGRESS AND ENTRANCE INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DURING THESE HIGH TRAFFIC TIMES.

ANY ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? YOU HAVE ONE. MAYOR PRO TEM?

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YES, SIR. YEAH.

SO IF IF WE MEMORIALIZED THE GATE AND THE THE THE TRAFFIC CONTROL ITEMS INTO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT WOULD.

DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD MEET THE NEIGHBORS NEEDS? I STAFF SORT OF ALREADY DESCRIBED WHY IT'S CHALLENGING TO TO TO DO IT WITH OFFICERS.

THAT'S NOT THAT'S OUTSIDE A ZONING RESTRICTION BUT OTHER THINGS WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO.

WE CAN DISCUSS THAT HERE AT THE DAIS AND, AND WITH STAFF.

BUT IF WE IF, IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE WOULD THAT MEET THE NEIGHBORS NEEDS? I CAN'T SPEAK FOR OTHER NEIGHBORS.

I'M LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT MY CONCERN IS.

THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE I DISCUSSED WITH THE CHURCH WHEN I WENT TO THE MEETING IN JANUARY, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION.

TO DEAL WITH SOMETHING THAT REALLY WE WE AS A NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY CAN'T CONTROL.

THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ENTRANCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

I KNOW THAT IT'S JUST WHERE IS IT GOING TO GO? I'M NOT REAL CRAZY ABOUT IT BEING ACROSS FROM CEDARHURST, BECAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING IT CLOSER TO THE POOL AREA, TO OUR MAILBOX AREA.

AND THERE IS THE CITY PARK ON CARNEGIE RIDGE THAT YOU ALL JUST REDID, THAT.

IT'S GOING TO IMPACT PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO USE THAT PARK AS WELL.

SO I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT AT SOME LATER DATE, PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME SENSE OF GOODWILL THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THIS CHURCH DOESN'T COME BACK AND JUST SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO FOOL WITH THAT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO CLOSE THE GATE.

WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT OPEN.

PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND OUT ANYTIME THEY WANT TO.

AND NO, WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO PUT TRAFFIC OFFICERS OUT THERE.

DO THE BEST YOU CAN TO GET OUT ON THE ROAD.

I APPRECIATE ANY ACCOMMODATION THAT YOU CAN MAKE THERE WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.

SUZANNE. DUTT.

YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT, I APPRECIATE IT.

MY NAME IS SUZANNE DUTT.

I LIVE ON CEDAR CREST COURT AS WELL.

I LIVE AT 60 708.

I'M UP IN THE CUL DE SAC, WHICH IS A NICE VIEW BY THE WAY, BUT I'M HERE TONIGHT MOSTLY FOR THE SAME REASON THAT MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE.

AND IT'S REALLY AT THE CORE ABOUT SAFETY.

MY CONCERNS ARE SOME THAT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD.

NUMBER ONE, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS AND FOR THE 70 ISH NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE ON THE THREE CUL DE SACS THAT WILL BE IMPACTED TO BE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DURING THE BUSY TIMES, DURING SERVICES, FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO BE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT, WHETHER IT BE FIRE TRUCK, EMT, POLICE, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S EMERGENCIES THAT PEOPLE HAVE AT TIMES THAT DON'T REQUIRE THAT TYPE OF SERVICE, BUT JUST THE CAPABILITY OF GETTING OUT WHEN YOU NEED TO TO BE WITH A FAMILY MEMBER, TO BE AT A MEDICAL EMERGENCY FOR A FAMILY MEMBER, AND BEING SURE THAT YOU HAVE SOME WAY OF GETTING OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE BIGGEST PANIC THAT WE ALL HAVE IN LIFE VERY OFTEN IS TRAFFIC, RIGHT? I THINK YOU CAN AGREE WITH THAT.

THE OTHER SAFETY CONCERNS THAT I DO HAVE HAVE ALSO BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT.

PATRICK PARK IS ON ON CARNEGIE RIDGE.

IT IS A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

IT IS A CITY OF DENTON PARK, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WALK TO IT, BUT THERE ARE ALSO PEOPLE WHO PARK IN FRONT OF IT ON CARNEGIE RIDGE.

IT'S NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE THAT PARK THERE, THIS IS TRUE.

BUT WHEN I DRIVE BY, WHEN THERE ARE CHILDREN PLAYING THERE, THERE CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM 1 TO 2 TO POSSIBLY THREE CARS THERE.

AND THERE ARE SOMETIMES EVENTS THAT PEOPLE LIKE TO HAVE AT THE PARK, AND THAT'S WHEN YOU MIGHT EVEN SEE MORE PEOPLE PARKED ON THAT ROAD.

SO THAT IS A CONCERN.

ALSO MENTIONED TONIGHT IS THE SWIMMING POOL THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF CARNEGIE RIDGE AND CEDAR OR EXCUSE ME, CARNEGIE RIDGE AND MEANDERING CREEK.

AND OUR COMMUNITY MAILBOX CENTER IS THERE AS WELL.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF WALKABILITY TO THESE THINGS THAT PEOPLE USE.

THERE ARE SMALL CHILDREN THAT UTILIZE THE POOL, UTILIZE THE PARKS.

AND SO MY CONCERN IS THE SAME AS MANY HAS HAVE ALREADY SAID TONIGHT, IS THAT I'M CONCERNED WITH HAVING ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT THIS COULD BE A SAFETY CONCERN FOR PEOPLE.

I DO AGREE WITH MY NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE ALSO SAID THIS TONIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CHURCH.

I UNDERSTAND THEY WANT TO GROW.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING AN EXIT ON CARNEGIE RIDGE.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS.

TAKES US TO BRIAN RUSH.

[02:05:08]

MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.

I'M A PARISHIONER AND A PROPERTY OWNER.

WITHIN 500FT, 6309 MEANDERING CREEK DRIVE.

I SAW FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN WE GOT OUR LITTLE POSTCARDS AND, AND, OTHER INFORMATION ON THE CHANGE THAT NO ONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD KNEW ABOUT THIS. NO ONE.

AND OBVIOUSLY, BUILDERS DEVELOPERS AREN'T AREN'T REQUIRED BY LAW TO TELL ANYBODY ANYTHING.

SO I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND I LIVE THERE, I'VE LIVED IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THE SAME TYPES OF THINGS HAVE COME UP.

CHANGE IS ALWAYS SCARY BECAUSE YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOU KNOW AND ANY KIND OF A CHANGE, BRINGS ON ANXIETIES.

BUT PERSONALLY, I BELIEVE THAT THE PUBLIC SCHOOL HOURS IMPACT THE TRAFFIC THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD MORE SO THAN THE SCHOOL I MEAN, THE CHURCH WOULD EVER DO.

ALSO, THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND OR LACK OF A TRANSPORTATION PLAN BY THE CITY OF ARGYLE MAKES MORE IMPACT ON WHAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SEES ON A DAILY BASIS AND ON THE WEEKENDS AND ANYTHING ELSE.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHURCH.

THERE ARE SHORT PERIODS OF TIME WHERE THERE IS A SLIGHT BACKUP AND BUT THOSE BACKUP PERIODS LAST LESS THAN 15 MINUTES.

SO ANYWAYS, I DO KNOW THAT FATHER GEORGE, HAS BEEN MORE MORE THAN ACCOMMODATING TO THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS, AND AND HE'LL DO HIS BEST.

AND I GUARANTEE YOU THERE WILL BE STILL BE FLUCTUATIONS AS THIS TRAFFIC PATTERN WORKS ITS WAY OUT.

SO. BUT I HAVE THE HIGHEST CONFIDENCE THAT THE CHURCH AND THE NEIGHBORS CAN, CAN WORK THIS OUT, AND EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE IN THE END.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT TAKES US.

AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF YOU CARE TO SPEAK, YOU CAN.

YOU NEED TO FILL OUT A BLUE CARD IF YOU'D BE SO KIND.

BEFORE I CLOSE IT.

ERIC THOMAS.

IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN ZOOM IN ON THIS? SURE. THOSE? YEAH. WHAT? AS MUCH AS WE CAN GET THAT IN VIEW AND OR THE THIS SECTION IN VIEW, THAT'D BE GREAT.

SO I APOLOGIZE.

I DIDN'T INTEND ON SPEAKING TONIGHT, BUT SOME THINGS WERE BROUGHT UP THAT I'D LIKE TO, ELABORATE ON.

OKAY. GO RIGHT AHEAD. MY NAME IS ERIC THOMAS.

I LIVE AT 6408 ROARING CREEK.

AGAIN. MY WIFE MENTIONED IT.

WE'RE WITHIN THAT 500 FOOT.

WHAT I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO.

I AM A CAREER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

I'VE ALSO BEEN FORTUNATE ACROSS MY CAREER.

I'VE SERVED AS A FIRE MARSHAL, WORKING BOMB, ARSON INVESTIGATION, STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT ALSO DOING PLANS, EXAMINATIONS AND APPROVALS FOR CONSTRUCTION, ROADWAYS AND NEIGHBORHOODS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND ESTABLISHMENT OF FIRE CODE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS KIDS PLAYING.

TYPICALLY YOU SEE KIDS PLAYING ON MEANDERING OR BUT YOU DON'T SEE THEM PLAYING ON CRAWFORD.

WELL, RIGHT NOW, THE WAY CRAWFORD IS STRUCTURED, THERE'S NOT THE SIDEWALK AVAILABILITY TO FOR THE KIDS TO PLAY ON, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE IN THE STREET.

OKAY. THAT'S AN ISSUE MOST STREETS I DON'T I'M NOT FOR SURE WHAT DENTON'S FIRE CODE WAS.

I DID WORK FOR, ANOTHER AGENCY WITHIN THIS COUNTY.

MOST STREETS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TULANE, ARE 24 FOOT WIDE.

OKAY, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT YOU'RE ON AVERAGE, WHAT YOUR CODE IS.

SO NOW WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CARS PARKED VISITING OUR PARK OR PEOPLE CHECKING THEIR MAIL, PEOPLE AT OUR POOL, ALTHOUGH ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT'S EATING UP, YOU KNOW, THIRD CAN BE A HALF IF THEY PARK LIKE CRAP, EATS UP A LOT OF YOUR SPACE.

NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING ON THE MAP, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT QUEUING UP CARS.

THAT MEANS THERE'S GOING TO BE A STOP SIGN HERE.

THERE'S A STOP SIGN UP AT CRAWFORD, AND, SORRY.

CRAWFORD AND, CARNEGIE RIDGE.

THE BIG ISSUE, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T WANT THAT TRAFFIC RUNNING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL OVER WHAT CITY OF ARGYLL DOES, BUT THIS ROAD GETS VERY UGLY VERY QUICKLY.

WHENEVER WE HAVE ISSUES ON I 35 OR 377, WE ARE THE PASS THROUGH FOR SOME REASON AND IT'S NOT A ROAD.

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WHILE IT HAS BEEN WORKED ON, IT'S NOT IN THE BEST OF CONDITION.

IT'S NOT THE BEST LAYOUT.

YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT TWO LANES WITH OCCASIONAL TURN LANE, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT TRAFFIC BACKING UP INTO THE CHURCH.

YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE THAT LINE OF TRAFFIC BACKING UP ON CRAWFORD.

YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE THOSE VEHICLES THAT MAY BE PARKED FOR VISITING OUR PARK OR WHATEVER ELSE IS GOING ON.

THEN YOU RUN INTO, AS SOME OF THE OTHER, SPEAKERS HAVE MENTIONED, EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

OKAY, THAT 24 FOOT RULE IS SO A FIRE TRUCK CAN GET THROUGH.

OKAY. IF YOU'VE GOT TRAFFIC BACKED UP.

PLUS YOU'VE GOT CARS PARKED ON VISITING THE PARK BECAUSE THERE IS NO PARKING AREA FOR THAT SPECIFIC PARK.

YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO AN OBSTRUCTION ISSUE.

YEAH. PEOPLE CAN GET OUT OF THE WAY.

BUT IF YOU'VE EVER HAD BEEN UNFORTUNATE TO RIDE IN AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE, PEOPLE DON'T TYPICALLY GET OUT OF THE WAY WHEN YOU NEED THEM TO.

SECONDS DO COST LIVES, SO THAT IS A CONCERN.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS THE EXITING.

RIGHT. NOW ON TO MEANDERING.

OKAY. IF YOU TALK ABOUT PUTTING ANOTHER EXIT OUT TOWARDS MEANDERING OR PUTTING AN EXIT OUT TOWARDS, JOHN PAYNE, THAT ELIMINATES SOME OF OUR ISSUE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE IN THIS AREA OTHER HOMES.

YOU HAVE HOMES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY HOMES IMPACTED HERE ON JOHN PAYNE BECAUSE THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER SUBDIVISION.

OKAY. IT WOULD ELIMINATE THE ISSUE OF DEALING WITH A TWO LANE ROAD WITH WHAT IS GOING TO BE OBVIOUS TRAFFIC CONTROL ISSUES. EVEN IF YOU PUT AN OFFICER IN, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THAT OFFICER UP ON CRAWFORD? HE'S STILL GOING TO BE FIGHTING THE I-35 TRAFFIC.

HE'S STILL GOING TO BE FIGHTING THE PEOPLE FROM THE OTHER EXITS AND COMING FROM THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS COMING OFF AND COMING OFF OF 377.

IF YOU PUT THEM AT THE DRIVEWAY COMING OUT OF THE PARK.

YOU'RE STILL GOING TO RUN INTO THE SAME ISSUE.

YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THAT SAME BACKUP BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL GOING TO FIGHT THAT STOP SIGN.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, BUT I DO WANT TO I'LL REVISIT IT WITH YOU.

YOU SAY EDUCATION DRIVE IS THERE.

PUT THEM TOWARDS. PUT PEOPLE TOWARDS.

JOHN PAYNE.

AT ANY PHASE, IF I'M LEAVING EDUCATION DRIVE AND I SEE JOHN PAYNE BACKED UP, OKAY, I'M GOING TO TURN LEFT AND THEN I'M GOING TO TURN LEFT AGAIN ON CARNEGIE RIDGE.

AND THEN I DON'T, I DON'T I'M TRACKING WITH YOU, BUT I'M TRYING TO GET THERE.

AS FAR AS THE CARNEGIE RIDGE AND JOHN PAYNE ARE IDENTICAL.

THEY'RE THEY RUN PARALLEL.

THERE'S HOUSES THAT NEITHER ONE HOUSES DON'T FACE, HOUSES DON'T FACE CARNEGIE RIDGE AND HOUSES DON'T FACE JOHN PAYNE.

BUT YOU WOULD PREFER JOHN PAYNE VERSUS CARNEGIE RIDGE.

YOU'VE GOT HOMES OR OTHER DRIVES ON THE SIDE OF, CARNEGIE RIDGE.

SO IF YOU FOLLOW THIS EXIT, ALL THESE SIDE STREETS, THESE ARE ALL HOMES GOING TO THE EAST OR GOING TO THE WEST, I'M SORRY.

NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT MEANDERING, THERE'S HOMES ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE, BUT THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE EITHER, THE ONES ON THE SOUTH SIDE ARE GOING TO BE TO THE WEST OF THAT CURRENT DRIVEWAY.

SO IF VEHICLES ARE COMING OUT, IF YOU PUT A SECOND DRIVEWAY COMING OFF OF THIS TOWARDS, JOHN PAYNE.

YOU ARE DIRECTING.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION LIKE YOU WOULD COMING OUT ON CARNEGIE RIDGE, BECAUSE THERE ARE HOMES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT SUSTAINED FLOW OF TRAFFIC THIS INTERSECTION UP HERE.

BECAUSE IT IS MULTI LANE ROAD, YOU CAN GO TO THE NORTH AND STILL GET UP TO AS A 1171.

NO, I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THE ROAD UP TO THE NORTH THAT YOU CAN CUT THROUGH.

YOU CAN'T GET TO. WELL 2149 WELL YEAH.

CUT THROUGH THE DIRT. WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO.

RIGHT? YEAH.

OKAY. I MEAN, I TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT, I JUST I WILL JUST TELL YOU AS I PROCESS THROUGH YOUR SUGGESTION, EVEN YOU TAKE IT OUT TO JOHN PAYNE, DIRECTLY. IF I'M SITTING ON A CHURCH PARKING LOT AND ABSOLUTELY NOTHING'S MOVING ON THAT EXIT TO JOHN PAYNE, I'M GOING TO GO TO WHERE THINGS ARE MOVING, WHICH IS EDUCATION DRIVE, AND THEN THINGS ARE POTENTIALLY MOVING ON MEANDERING CREEK DRIVE.

SO I'M GOING TO TAKE A LEFT THERE AND THEN I'M GOING TO GO DOWN CARNEGIE RIDGE JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE THAT'S THE TRAFFIC FLOW WATERS.

IT'S LIKE WATER FLOWS, RIGHT.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS TO CONSIDER, THOUGH, WITH THAT PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, IS YOU HAVE A CONTINUOUS FLOW OF TRAFFIC WITH THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE TO THE SOUTH ON JOHN PAYNE AT CRAWFORD. THAT'S A ROUNDABOUT.

YEAH, IT'S A ROUNDABOUT. I TRY I'M WITH YOU.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE THE STOP AND GO TYPICALLY THAT YOU SEE WITH A STOP SIGN INTERSECTION.

GOT IT. AND THEN THE OTHER PROHIBITION IS THERE'S, THERE'S A DETENTION POND RIGHT BEFORE JOHN WHICH YOU CAN'T.

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SO YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T GO THROUGH.

YOU GOT TO WORRY ABOUT FLOOD CONTROL.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER MITIGATION METHODS THAT CAN COME INTO PLAY THAT ARE AWARE OF THROUGH PLANNED REVIEW AND HAVING TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

OKAY. VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.

AND THEN. OH, I'M SORRY, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. FOR HIM, I BELIEVE I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN BURKE, ARE YOU ARE WE STILL TAKING IN CONSIDERATION OF THE FACT THAT THIS CHURCH HAS NEEDS MORE PARKING, AND THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE SOME OF THAT? THE ROAD. HAD YOU ALL THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? YEAH. THE EXIT, THE EXIT ISSUE IS IRRELEVANT TO THE PARKING ISSUE.

WE DON'T HAVE AS A NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'RE NOT HAVING AN ISSUE WITH THEM WANTING TO INCREASE CAPACITY TO INCREASE PARKING.

WHERE THE ISSUE LIES IS THE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC FLOW AND RISK, BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW BAD CRAWFORD AT CARNEGIE RIDGE BACKS UP AND WE KNOW HOW BAD CRAWFORD ROAD BACKS UP IN GENERAL IN RELATION TO I 35.

SO ONE MORE COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I GUESS SINCE YOU'RE STANDING HERE, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO SPEAK FOR THE MRS, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

YOU ALL DID NOT GET A NOTICE MAILED TO YOU, CORRECT? IS THAT WHY YOU ALL WERE NOT ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FIRST MEETING WITH THE CHURCH? YES, SIR. OKAY.

AND YOU SAID YOU CORROBORATED THIS SAME THING WITH OTHER NEIGHBORS.

YES, SIR. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY VERY CLEARLY, THAT'S THE US POSTAL SERVICE.

I'M SURE WE HAVE A RECEIPT THAT SAYS WE SENT IT.

WE DON'T.

POSTAL SERVICE. YEAH, YEAH.

DON'T, DON'T JUST WE DO THE BEST WE CAN.

WE UNDERSTAND I MEAN THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE BEYOND CERTAIN PEOPLE'S CONTROL.

OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

LAST SPEAKER IS, ANITA, FREEZE.

THANK YOU. GO OUT IF YOU CAN.

COME DOWN AND YOU'LL.

HAVE FOUR MINUTES IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME.

THANK YOU. I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES.

CERTAINLY. THEY'LL GIVE YOU.

THEY'LL. THEY'LL TURN ON THE CAMERA.

HERE. THERE WE GO.

WHICH WAY DO I WANT? THERE YOU GO.

OKAY. SO THIS WILL KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THIS IS CARNEGIE.

THE CARNEGIE RIDGE ROAD.

THIS FIRST STREET HERE.

THIS IS WOODMERE. THIS IS WHERE THE APPROVED EXIT IS.

DOWN HERE.

THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE IS CEDARHURST.

DO YOU SEE HOW FAR THE HOUSES ARE IN FROM THE STREET UNTIL YOU GET DOWN HERE TO OURS AT CEDARHURST.

THIS IS CLOSER TO THE STREET THAN ALL THE OTHER HOUSES.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INTERSECTION RIGHT AT OUR FRONT DOOR.

THIS. THIS IS OUR HOUSE HERE.

HERE'S WHERE THAT INTERSECTION IS GOING TO BE.

YOU SEE HOW CLOSE OURS IS TO THE STREET.

SO WHY DO THEY HAVE TO MOVE IT FROM WOODMERE TO THAT? AND HAVE OUR HOUSE RIGHT THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION.

THERE IS ALSO.

186 PARKING SPACES.

THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT ONTO, CARNEGIE RIDGE.

YOU ONLY GOT 130 HERE.

THIS IS THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE CHURCH.

SO THAT'S A TWO LANE ROAD.

WHY CAN'T THEY WIDEN THAT AND HAVE DOUBLE LANES GOING IN AND OUT? YOU COULD GO THIS WAY, THIS WAY AND THAT WAY.

IT WOULDN'T STACK SO BAD IN HERE.

YOU ONLY HAVE.

THIS IS THE MEANDERING CREEK.

OH. ANYWAY, THIS IS MEANDERING CREEK EXIT OVER HERE.

OH, HERE IT IS. SO THERE'S ONLY LIKE 130 SOME PARKING SPACES THAT ARE GOING TO COME OUT HERE.

138. ANYWAY, THAT'S JOHN PAYNE.

SO THIS IS MEANDERING CREEK THAT'S COMING OUT HERE, GOING HERE TO JOHN PAYNE.

THIS IS THE RECTORY WAS GOING TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WOODMERE.

OH. I'M SORRY, CAN YOU BEND THE MIC CLOSER TO YOU? YEAH. THE RECTORY WAS GOING TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WOODMERE, AND THEN THE EXIT WAS GOING TO BE AT WOODMERE.

NOW THEY'RE MOVING THE DIRECTORY RIGHT AT WOODMERE AND CHANGING THE EXIT TO CARNEGIE.

THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE.

SO IT WAS INITIALLY IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN OVER THIS WAY, MORE SO NOW THEY'RE MOVING IT HERE AND MOVING THE EXIT TO, CEDARHURST. THEY CAN MOVE THIS ANYWHERE ON THEIR PROPERTY.

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THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF ROOM BACK HERE, AND THEY CAN MAKE A LONG DRIVE TO GO OUT TO WOODMERE FOR STACKING.

WHY COME OUT AT CEDARHURST? CEDARHURST? YOU'RE GOING TO END UP BEING MORE INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEN YOU WOULD BE AT WOODMERE.

WOODMERE. YOU'VE ONLY GOT ONE ROAD.

BEFORE THAT.

WHEREAS WHICH IS RIGBY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THEN WOODMERE AND THEN CEDARHURST.

SO YOU'RE GOING MORE INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BY COMING OUT CEDARHURST.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE COMING DOWN, MEANDERING.

IF THAT GETS BACKED UP THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO TURN LEFT OR COME DOWN.

CEDARHURST, COME DOWN MEANDERING TO, CARNEGIE RIDGE.

AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE COMING OUT ON CARNEGIE RIDGE.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DOUBLE TRAFFIC GOING THAT DOWN CARNEGIE RIDGE.

TO MAKE SENSE.

YES, I.

I'M TRYING NOT TO TALK A TON.

I'M TRYING TO LISTEN MORE, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE OPEN AND HONEST.

I BELIEVE THE CHALLENGE FOR ME IS THAT THE SCENARIOS ARE LAID OUT, BUT THEY THE OTHER SCENARIO ISN'T FOR ME.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH, RIGHT? THE THE OBVIOUS.

IF ALL WORKS OUT WELL, PERFECT, GREAT.

BUT I THINK THE CHALLENGE FOR ME IS THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

AND SO I HAVE THOUGHTS AROUND HOW WE CAN BE SUCCESSFUL.

BUT MY CONCERN IN THE SCENARIO YOU OUTLINED IS IF YOU MOVE IT CLOSER TO THIS RICH RIDGELY CAUGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THERE IS NO STAGING ON THE THE CHURCH'S PROPERTY.

AND WHAT IF BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING PROHIBITING THEM FROM DOING A SIDEWALK OR SOMETHING.

NOW THEY CAN PARK CARS ALL ON BOTH SIDES OF CARNEGIE RIDGE AND WALK DOWN A REALLY NICE SIDEWALK.

LET'S SAY THEY DECIDE TO COVER IT.

SO, YEAH, PUBLIC PARKING ON A PUBLIC STREET.

TO THEN WALK TO THEIR CHURCH, WALK TO THE BACK TO THEIR CAR AND HAVE A QUICK EXIT.

RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO.

THEY FIND THE EASIEST WAY TO LEAVE.

AND SO THAT SHORT RUNWAY, THAT SHORT DRIVEWAY MAY WORK OUT GREAT AND MAY BE PERFECT AND MAY ALIGN WELL WITH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE DO WHAT'S EASIEST FOR PEOPLE TO DO.

AND I'M THINKING, WHAT WOULD I DO? I'D PARK ON THAT STREET, AND IF I WAS A CHURCH, I'D BUILD A REALLY NICE WALKWAY.

AND SO PEOPLE PARK ON THE PUBLIC STREET, WALK OVER TO THE CHURCH.

RIGHT. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO PARK ON CARNEGIE RIDGE ROAD? YEAH. IF THAT DRIVEWAY IS TOO SHORT, THEN YES, I WOULD PARK THERE FOR A QUICK ESCAPE.

RIGHT. WELL, BECAUSE PEOPLE LEAVE THE DRIVEWAY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SHORT.

THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH SPACE BETWEEN THE EXISTING CIRCLE DRIVE AND RIDGELY COURT.

IT'S JUST A REAL SHORT RUN.

AND SO YOU CAN'T STAGE THE CARS AGAIN.

I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP, YOU KNOW, I JUST THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THEIR STAGE IN THE CARS INSIDE THEIR PROPERTY.

EXACTLY. OKAY.

THEY CAN MAKE A LONG DRIVE INSIDE THE PROPERTY JUST AS WELL TO WOODMERE AS THEY CAN TO CEDARHURST.

OKAY. GOT IT.

OKAY, OKAY. YES. I'M TRACKING I CAN I CAN STACK INSIDE THERE.

RIGHT. AND COME OUT. WOODMERE 100% UNDER.

THAT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN STACKING INSIDE THERE AND COMING OUT.

SEE HERS. YES I UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU I APPRECIATE IT.

OKAY. THAT IS ALL THE CARDS.

SO I'M GOING TO, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND, TAKE DISCUSSION.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU.

MR. MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT, POTENTIAL OPTION WOULD BE, WHAT'S THE NAME OF IT? JOHN PAYNE.

AND COMING THROUGH, SOUTH OF WHERE THE DETENTION POND IS.

BUT DIFFERENT MAPS HAVE DIFFERENT SIZE DETENTION PONDS, AND I DON'T KNOW THE STORMWATER RUNOFF REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR THIS SIZE PARCEL AND WHAT IT'S DESIGNED TO HOLD. IS THERE SUFFICIENT SPACE TO THE SOUTH OF THE DETENTION POND FOR AN EXIT? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, WE HAVE OUR TRANSPORTATION PLANNER HERE.

SO SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT.

OH I'M SORRY. THERE'S NOT ROOM.

SORRY. THERE'S NOT ROOM.

SO. SO THAT THAT AREA IS ALL TAKEN UP WITH STORMWATER RUNOFF.

IS THAT RIGHT, SCOTT? OKAY. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COUNCILMAN MELTZER IS EXITING OUT BY WOODMERE.

AN OPTION? WELL, THE ORIGINAL PLAN HAD THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTING TO CARNEGIE RIDGE BETWEEN WOODMERE AND CEDARHURST.

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SO IT IT TEED OUT TO THAT.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE APPLICANT.

WOULD WOULD RESPOND TO THAT.

WE KIND OF LOOKED AT THE PLAN THAT THEY PROVIDED US AND FELT LIKE IT MET THE THE BEST PRACTICES IN TERMS OF THAT DRIVEWAY CONNECTION TO THAT STREET AND TO PROVIDE THAT ON SITE QUEUING AREA.

MAYOR, WOULD IT BE ALL RIGHT TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, YOU CAN ASK YOUR QUESTION.

YES. YEAH. THE SAME, SAME QUESTION.

OKAY, WELL, HE HAS A FLOOR, SO HE CAN.

WE'LL EXHAUST THIS.

YEAH. IS THAT AN OPTION IN YOUR MIND TO TO EXIT OUT AT WOODMERE RATHER THAN FURTHER NORTH? NO, NO, IT IS NOT.

THERE'S SOME GRADE ISSUES.

PLUS TECHNICALLY WE HAVE A VESTED RIGHT AT A SPOT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN WOODMERE AND CEDARHURST THAT'S ALREADY BEEN GRANTED TO US UNDER THE PUD.

THAT WAS DONE IN 2012.

NOW, IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES NOT TO ALLOW US TO GO TO CEDARHURST, THEN WE WILL GO MID-BLOCK.

OKAY. HOWEVER, YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WILL TELL YOU THAT GEOMETRY OF THE INTERSECTION SHOULD BE YOU SHOULD BE AT A A INTERSECTION OF ROAD AND NOT A T ROAD.

OKAY. THAT'S JUST SIMPLE, ENGINEERING PRINCIPLES THERE.

BUT WE WE WE UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE NEIGHBORS, THEY WERE NOT AWARE OF, AS YOU'VE HEARD MULTIPLE TIMES, THAT WE HAVE THE VESTED RIGHT TO DUMP TRAFFIC ON CEDAR RIDGE. OKAY.

AND THAT, CARNEGIE RIDGE.

EXCUSE ME. AND THAT'S WHAT WE, WE PLAN ON DOING.

WE NEED TO DO THAT FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL.

SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED OR ILLUSTRATED HERE HAS BEEN CHANGED BASED ON CITIZENS INPUT WE HAD AT OUR MEETING.

THE LAST LADY, WE'VE ALREADY CHANGED THAT BECAUSE OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT AT THE CITIZEN MEETING.

THE PICTURE OF THE, PICTURES OF THE CARS ON CRAWFORD ROAD.

THIS KIND OF ADDRESSES YOUR ISSUE.

THAT'S 4:00 CHRISTMAS EVE, AND WE HAD OVER 2200 PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH OUTSIDE, IN THE RECTORY AND IN THE CHAPEL AREA.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE 1800 IS IS A NUMBER WHEN YOU HAVE WHAT WE CALL OUR HIGH HOLY DAYS, CHRISTMAS, EASTER AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

MOST OF THE TIME WE HAVE 8 TO 900 PEOPLE AT THE CHURCH.

SO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I TRACKED.

IF YOU WERE, IF YOU HAD YOUR VESTED RIGHTS COME OUT AT CEDARHURST.

IF THIS DOESN'T IF THIS DOES NOT.

CEDARHURST MID-BLOCK BETWEEN WOODMERE AND CEDARHURST, THAT'S WHAT THE PD, PD SHOWS RIGHT NOW.

OKAY, SOMEPLACE.

BUT YOU WANT TO COME OUT AT CEDARS BECAUSE THAT'S BETTER PLANNING TO GO TO.

THAT'S BETTER FOR YOU ALL HAVE A TRAFFIC BACKGROUND.

IT'S BETTER TO DUMP IT THERE.

PLUS, IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE FOR US AT SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE TAKING IT TO CEDARHURST, BUT ALLOWS ADDITIONAL STACKING FOR US.

SO AND AND AND THE OBSTACLES AREN'T GOING AT IT.

WOODMERE HAVE TO DO WITH GRADE.

YEAH THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME GREAT, GREAT ISSUES THERE.

AND THAT DUMPS IT RIGHT AT THE PARK.

THEN YOU HAVE STACKING ISSUES FROM CARNEGIE RIDGE.

EXCUSE ME, FROM CRAWFORD DOWN TO WOODMERE, YOU CAN'T STACK A LOT OF TRAFFIC, AND THERE'S A MEDIAN THERE THAT EVEN MAKES IT MORE PROHIBITIVE.

SO IT BECOMES A LOT MORE CONFUSING WHEN YOU DO THAT BASED ON THE EXISTING DESIGN OF THE ROADWAY.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

SURE YOU CAN. YOU CAN STAY IF YOU WANT.

I'VE GOT ONE FOR YOU. SO THE SHORT OF IT IS IS THAT.

I FEEL AS THOUGH WHAT WE ARE, WHAT I AM BEING ASKED TO DO, IS TO DO WHAT YOU WANT AT THE EXPENSE OF ALL THESE FOLKS.

I UNDERSTAND YOU HAD NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, RIGHT? IS DO YOU FEEL IF YOU HAD MORE TIME TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU CAN GET TO AN AMICABLE AGREEMENT? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

WE'VE ALREADY MADE SOME CHANGES BASED ON THE COMMENTS WE HAD WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY.

I KNOW THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S MAIN OPPOSITION IS DUMPING TRAFFIC ON A CARNEGIE RIDGE.

WE'RE GOING TO DUMP TRAFFIC ON CARNEGIE RIDGE BECAUSE WE'RE ENTITLED TO DO THAT UNDER OUR VESTED RIGHTS.

WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

WE WANT TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO LESSEN THE IMPACT.

I HAPPEN TO KNOW A LOT ABOUT CRAWFORD ROAD, CARNEGIE RIDGE, JOHN PAYNE, BECAUSE I USED TO BE THE CITY MANAGER OF ARGYLE, AND I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDING A CRAWFORD ROAD WHEN I WAS THERE.

SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORY AND THE DYNAMICS OF THAT ENTIRE AREA.

SO, AND I WILL AGREE WITH THE CITIZENS WHEN 35 THERE IS A ROLLOVER WRECK TONIGHT ON MY WAY OVER HERE, I DIDN'T TAKE THE INTERSTATE.

I TAKE CRAWFORD ROAD WAY FOUR TURNS AT THE RAILROAD CROSSING, THEN GO UP.

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377 BUT THAT THAT HAPPENS.

BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU'RE ALL AWARE THAT TXDOT HAS SOME MAJOR REVISIONS TO THAT ROADWAY THAT ARE SCHEDULED FOR 2029 AND THAT WILL ALLEVIATE ALLEVIATE ALMOST ALL THAT BACKUP, BECAUSE THOSE PLANS ARE ALREADY IN THEIR FINAL DRAFT STAGE BY TXDOT.

BUT WE SYMPATHIZE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OUR PARISHIONERS HAVE THAT SAME PROBLEM.

LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I LIVE IN ROBESON RANCH, AND THERE'S A LOT OF OLD CATHOLICS THAT LIVE IN ROPES AND RANCH THAT GO TO GO TO SAINT MARK'S, AND WE HAVE THAT BACKUP EVERY TIME AFTER WE GET OUT OF CHURCH.

IT LASTS 15, 20 MINUTES IS ALL IT DOES, AND THEN IT GOES AWAY.

OKAY, I'LL JUST SAY WHAT I AM STRUGGLING WITH IS I'VE HEARD YOU SAY IT THREE TIMES NOW THAT THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT.

OH, JUST BECAUSE THE THING SEEMS RIGHT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S NECESSARILY RIGHT.

SO I'M OKAY.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

GO. GO AHEAD I JUST.

I AM INCLINED.

TO SEE IF WE CAN DELAY AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO GO BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRY AGAIN.

I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THAT WE CAN'T COME TO A MORE AMICABLE AGREEMENT.

A LOT OF TIMES WHAT WE HEAR IS PEOPLE COMING BEFORE COUNCIL, AND JUST SAYING THEY DON'T WANT A THING BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT A THING.

THIS IS KIND OF A UNIQUE CASE.

I DON'T HEAR FOLKS SAYING THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CHURCH'S RIGHT TO EXPAND AND THEIR DESIRE TO ACCOMMODATE MORE PARISHIONERS.

I HEAR THEM JUST SAYING, NOT THIS WAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANY APPETITE AMONG MY COLLEAGUES TO, TO TO WANT TO STAY AND SEE IF WE CAN GIVE THIS SOME MORE TIME.

BUT THAT'S ABSOLUTELY THE DIRECTION THAT I PREFER.

I PREFER THAT WE GO.

SO I JUST WANT TO, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR FOR JULIE, IF POSSIBLE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

THE NOTICES WENT OUT.

YES, SIR. OKAY.

YES, SIR. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. THEN, MAKING SURE I'M SAYING.

OKAY, GREAT.

NO. YOU WHEN WE GET THERE.

IS THIS YOU IN Q? YES. OKAY.

THANKS, I APPRECIATE IT.

ALL RIGHT. SO.

A FEW THINGS, JULIE.

WHERE DID YOU SAY THE OFFICER WAS GOING TO BE PLACED? WELL, ACCORDING TO WHAT THE APPLICANT OFFERED AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING WAS TO HAVE AN OFFICER, I BELIEVE, AT THAT SOUTHERN ENTRANCE THAT CONNECTS DIRECTLY TO TO CRAWFORD ROAD.

OKAY. YES.

THEY'RE THEY'RE NODDING. YES.

OKAY. SO SO I NEED TO TALK TO SOMEBODY AND PROPOSE A THOUGHT.

SO WHO WHO'S OF THE APPLICANTS WHO CAN SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT ON ON OFFICER PLACEMENT.

JULIE, CAN YOU PULL UP THE GOOGLE MAPS, PLEASE? THE GOOGLE MAP OR LIKE.

YEAH. PRESENTATION.

GOOGLE MAPS WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.

SO I CAN MOVE AROUND JUST IN CASE.

6500 CRAWFORD ROAD IS THE ADDRESS.

AND WAS THERE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS FOR THE OFFICER FROM THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND AT CRAWFORD ROAD? TWO POINTS.

DO I NEED TO SHARE SCREEN OR DO I.

YES. YEAH. YEAH.

SO I CAN SO WE CAN TALK THROUGH IT.

RIGHT. THERE'S GOOD. THAT'S PERFECT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND YOUR NAME? I'M SORRY. MY NAME IS KEVIN IMMING.

KEVIN. GOT IT.

I HAVE TO WRITE IT DOWN. MY MEMORY IS WHAT I FORGET WITH.

THAT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO STEP ME THROUGH WHERE YOU PROPOSE OR WHERE THE CONVERSATION WAS.

SO AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE CHURCH DRIVE CRAWFORD AND SKYLINE DRIVE, THE OFFICERS WOULD BE RIGHT THERE.

SO I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE DENTON DENTON COUNTY SHERIFF, LIEUTENANT JIMMY LEWIS, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR COORDINATING THE OFF DUTY OFFICERS.

HE WANTS TO STUDY IT MORE, BUT HE BELIEVES WE NEED TWO OFFICERS THERE BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT HIS OFFICERS TO HAVE THEIR BACKS TO TRAFFIC.

SO WE AGREED TO GIVE HIM A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO LOOK AT THAT TALK WITH, WITH TRAFFIC AND UNDERSTAND THE INTERSECTION.

BUT MOST LIKELY WE WILL BE HIRING TWO OFFICERS, TO CONTROL TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION.

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OKAY. SO HERE HERE'S MY PROPOSAL, AND HERE'S WHY I THINK I WOULD I WOULD SUGGEST SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THE DISTANCE BETWEEN CRAWFORD AND.

YES, SIR. I'M LISTENING. THE DISTANCE BETWEEN CRAWFORD AND THE ROUNDABOUT IS VERY SHORT, RIGHT? ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. AND IF THE OFFICERS ARE SUCCESSFUL, YOU DO YOURSELF HARM.

BECAUSE IF CRAWFORD'S FLOWING.

WELL, THEN JOHN PAYNE CAN'T GET INTO THE CIRCLE.

DRIVE BACKS UP.

SO YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT HELPING YOURSELF BY EXPEDITING TRAFFIC THAT WAY.

HERE'S WHAT I'D SELL YOU.

I'D SELL YOU THAT. YOU PUT SOMEBODY ON I 35 SERVICE ROAD WHERE THERE ARE NO SIGNAL LIGHTS.

AND EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO GET GOING GETS GOING THE OTHER WAY.

AND THEN YOU SLOW DOWN THAT FOUR WAY.

AND SO YOU HAVE PEOPLE STOPPING, HEY, GO GO GO GO GO.

EMPTY OUT CRAWFORD SOME.

THEN LET THE OTHER FOUR WAYS GO AND THEN DO IT AGAIN.

AND THAT KICKS PEOPLE OUT AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AWAY FROM THE OTHER DRIVE.

SO THEN THAT BY PROXY HELPS JOHN PAYNE GET OUT OF THERE AND DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.

AND IF THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT GOING THE OTHER WAY, THEY CAN SIT THERE AND WAIT FOR THE MAIN TRAFFIC TO GO TO THE LEFT THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE CHURCH, AND THEY CAN FIGHT AGAINST THEMSELVES, OR THEY CAN HANG A RIGHT.

HOPE THE TRAIN'S NOT THERE AND KEEP THAT MOVING.

GOING THE OTHER WAY, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

AND THEN ON THE OFF CHANCE THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME OUT.

CARNEGIE. HEY, YOU CAN THIS.

CRAWFORD'S MOVING FAST.

IF IT'S NOT MOVING FAST, I CAN GO OUT BY MEANDERING CREEK AND GET GET TO JOHN PAYNE AND DO WHAT I GOT TO DO.

RIGHT. AND SO IT JUST KIND OF INCENTIVIZE AND MAKES THE THREE EXITS WORK AND NOT AGAINST EACH OTHER.

IF YOU PUT SOMEONE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF CRAWFORD AND PUMP THEM TOWARDS THAT CIRCLE, YOU'RE COMPOUNDING YOUR PROBLEM.

YES, SIR. AND YOU'RE FIGHTING THE TRAIN ON THE OTHER END, WHICH YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER VERSUS SOMEBODY LIKE ME.

I DON'T PUT THIS ON YOU, BUT I CAN GET FROM, 45 TO 80 IN A HURRY ON THIS, ON THIS RUN UP, YOU KNOW, AND I'M GONE.

RIGHT. THERE'S THERE'S NO THERE'S NO SIGNAL LIGHTS.

THERE'S NO NOTHING. RIGHT.

SO THAT THAT'S MY SALES PITCH.

I KNOW YOU JUST HEARD IT, BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M GIVING YOU.

I JUST IF YOU'RE GOING TO.

I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN SUPPORT OF YOU PUTTING THOSE OFFICERS RIGHT THERE TO TO WORK AGAINST YOURSELF.

JUST MY MY LAYMAN'S UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, SIR, AND I JUST I KEEP LOOKING AT JULIE, WHO I'VE LOOKED, BEEN WORKING WITH ON THIS.

AND IF IT'S AGREEABLE TO STAFF THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE THOSE DOWN TO THE INTERSECTION, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE AGREED TO, THEN WE'RE FINE WITH THAT, TOO.

YES. WE'LL PROVIDE THE OFFICERS WHETHER THEY'RE HERE OR THERE.

YES. AND YOU MAKE A GOOD ARGUMENT, AND WE'LL SUPPORT THAT.

I JUST NEED STAFF'S APPROVAL.

OKAY. YEAH. NO. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE THAT. THEN THE OTHER THING I NEEDED TO, JULIE, IF I COULD BORROW YOU.

SO YOU SAID ORIGINALLY IT WAS.

IT WAS, EDUCATION CENTER SCHOOL, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT IT WAS PLOTTED OR PLANNED FOR BEFORE THE CHURCH? YES. THE ORIGINAL SITE WAS A WAS A 15 ACRE SCHOOL WITHIN RESIDENTIAL.

YES. RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S.

I MEAN, FOR THOSE LISTENING.

OR GO TO ANY SCHOOL BEGINNING AND END OF DAY, AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING FIVE DAYS A WEEK.

SO IF THEY DON'T HAVE CHURCH FIVE DAYS A WEEK, SO YOU'RE IT'S A NET POSITIVE.

AND IT COULD BE FOR BUT IT'S NOT FIVE.

AND TRUST ME WE GET THE EMAILS ON THE SCHOOL ZONES.

AND YOU CAN AND YOU CAN ONLY GO 20.

BUT OKAY, SO I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT.

RIGHT. THANK YOU. THEN.

BUT THEN, SOMEBODY FROM THE CHURCH.

HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE FOR YOUR GROUNDBREAKING? FOR THE GROUNDBREAKING YOU HAD FOR THE FOR THE NEW BUILDING.

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE. BECAUSE I HAVE A I HAVE A VISUAL OF THAT.

SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTENDED THAT.

A THOUSAND PEOPLE.

1000. OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND THEN, MAKE A NOTE.

GOT IT. THE LAST THING I'LL SAY.

IS. JULIE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US.

IS THAT A CITY OF DENTON ROAD? CARNEGIE RIDGE? CITY OF EDEN WROTE. YES, SIR.

YES. SO I'VE NOT DRIVEN IT.

GOOGLE MAPS MAYBE BEHIND, BUT I WOULD THINK WE WANT TO PUT, NO PARKING SIGNS.

LET ME, LET ME FULL DISCLOSURE AS I'M PROCESSING THROUGH THINGS.

I'VE NEVER SEEN A FIRST RESPONDER NOT GET WHERE THEY NEED TO GO AND DRIVE HOW THEY NEED TO DRIVE, RIGHT? SO I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN, BUT I ALSO HAVE SEEN THEM WORK IT OUT AND THEY DO PHENOMENAL WORK.

AND I COULDN'T HANDLE THAT JOB FOR THE LIFE OF ME AND GOD BLESS THEM.

THAT BEING SAID, I DO THINK, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND UNDERSTANDING THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE GOING.

I'D LIKE TO SEE US MOVE TOWARDS THIS TRAFFIC STUDY THAT MAYBE SAYS NO PARKING ON EITHER SIDE OF CARNEGIE RIDGE.

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YEAH, WE CAN'T DO THAT.

THERE IS NO SPACE FOR. WELL.

OKAY. WELL.

WELL I'M SORRY THAT THAT'S THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE.

AND I'M TRYING TO STAY ON TASK.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THE THING THOUGH, IF YOU'RE THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD NEED TO PARK IN THE PARK, BY AND LARGE DON'T LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE WITHIN THOSE THREE BLOCKS, YOU JUST WALK DOWN.

OKAY, OKAY, OKAY.

HEY, I GET IT.

I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.

SO. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU PARK ON BOTH SIDES.

FIRE TRUCKS CAN'T GET THROUGH EITHER.

EITHER IT MATTERS THAT FIRE TRUCKS CAN'T THROUGH OR IT DOESN'T.

IF IT DOES MATTER. THE FIRE TRUCKS GETTING THROUGH.

CURRENTLY, YOU CAN PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.

THAT LEAVES ONE LANE IN THE MIDDLE.

SO ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT FIRE TRUCKS AND SAFETY AND SECONDS? MATTER OR NOT? I'M JUST TRYING TO TRACK ALONG WITH WHAT I'VE HEARD.

SO I'M JUST HOLDING YOU AT YOUR WORD.

AND IF THAT'S UNCOMFORTABLE, THEN I'M SORRY.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GET YOU WHERE YOU WANT TO BE THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY POSSIBLE.

BUT NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY IT'S DIFFERENT, SO I'LL JUST LISTEN.

I'LL HANG UP AND LISTEN. SCOTT.

GO AHEAD. MAYOR. STAFF CAN EVALUATE THAT.

IT WOULD COME BEFORE THIS BODY BEFORE WE PUT UP ANY NO PARKING SIGNS.

SURE. SO WE'LL EVALUATE THAT WE CAN BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. COUNCILMAN.

MCGEE. YOU HAVE A POOR GUY THAT'S BEEN WAITING UP THERE FOR A WHILE.

JUST FOR YOU, SIR? YES.

NO, I UNDERSTAND BRANDON'S BEEN IN QUEUE.

GO, GO. GO AHEAD. GO.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT PERHAPS IF CHRIS SHOULD GO FIRST.

WELL, WHAT'S SINCE? HE HAS NOT SAY SO. IF HE MAKES A MOTION TO COUNTER TO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, YOU'RE GOOD.

YOU'RE LOSING THE FLOOR.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL GOOD.

RIGHT? THIS. THIS IS THE THING.

EVERYONE'S WORKING IN OPTIMAL WORLDS, AND WE DON'T LIVE IN OPTIMAL WORLDS.

SO IF YOU'RE READY TO. IF YOU'RE READY TO GIVE UP THE FLOOR, I'M READY TO MOVE ON.

NO. WELL, THEN DO YOUR THING.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS BEFORE I MAKE MY MOTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I'M NOT COMING BACK TO YOU. IF HE MAKES A MOTION, IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO COME BACK TO ME, THAT IS WELL WITHIN YOUR RIGHT.

YOU RUN THE MEETING COUNCIL. EVERYBODY CAN SEE THE WAY THAT YOU ACT, COUNCILMAN WATTS.

WELL, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS STAFF.

PRESENTED. OKAY.

AND THE THE OPERATIONAL PART OF THE OFFICERS CAN BE WORKED OUT BEHIND THE SCENES.

I WAS GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION, BUT SINCE HE WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, THEN, WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR TWO HOURS, SO I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS STAFF, AS PRESENTED WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS ANY PUT FORTH BY PLANNING AND ZONING OR STAFF.

OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN BYRD.

I'M ON SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WATTS.

SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD DISCUSSION.

COUNCILMAN MCGEE. THANK YOU MAYOR.

I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST THE MOTION.

AND IN THE EVENT THAT THE MOTION FAILS, I WILL BE MAKING A MOTION TO DELAY THIS UNTIL OUR FEBRUARY 20TH MEETING TO ALLOW THE CHURCH AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TAKE ANOTHER STAB AT SEEING IF THEY CAN WORK TOGETHER AND COME TO SOME COMPROMISE SO WE CAN ALL BE ON THE SAME PAGE.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I'LL JUST SAY I THINK WE CAN WE CAN GET THERE.

AND I THINK, IF NOTHING ELSE, I'VE DEMONSTRATED THAT I'M THINKING THROUGH THIS PRAGMATICALLY, AND WE'LL GET YOU THE RESULTS YOU WANT.

AND I THINK WE CAN DO THIS VERY WELL AND MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYBODY TAKEN CARE OF.

SO, AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T AND IT'S NOT A EXIT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK BECAUSE THAT'S ULTIMATELY, AGAIN, THAT'S THE CONCERN.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT AND COME BACK.

THEY CAN SAY, NEVER MIND, WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH WHAT WE HAD AND YOU DON'T GET THE DISCUSSION.

YOU DON'T HAVE THE THE FEEDBACK AND THE ACTIVE PARTICIPATION.

THERE'S NOT A WAY TO FORCE THEM TO COME BACK TO THE TABLE.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE WORKING WITH A CERTAIN SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THEY THEY JUST DON'T HAVE TO.

THAT'S NOT A REALISTIC OPTION, THAT WE WAIT AND THEY DECIDE, OKAY, WE'LL COME BACK AND SEE.

THAT'S JUST THERE'S NO WAY TO WE DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS TO FORCE THAT.

SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE WE GET YOU WHAT YOU WANT BEST WE CAN, AND THEY SOUND LIKE THEY'RE AMENABLE TO THOSE THINGS.

CONTINUE TO PRESS. THOSE THINGS CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE A PRAGMATIC APPROACH TO TO SOLVING THIS PROBLEM SO THAT EVERYONE CAN GET ALONG.

SO, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN, I SEE YOU.

YAY! AND EVERYBODY ELSE'S PHOTO ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT FAILS FOR THREE.

TAKE A MOTION.

COUNCILWOMAN MCGEE. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO.

EXCUSE ME. MOVE THAT. WE TABLE THIS UNTIL OUR FEBRUARY 20TH MEETING.

TO ENCOURAGE THE CHURCH AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TAKE ANOTHER STAB AT IT SO THEY CAN TRY TO COME TOGETHER TO SOME AGREEMENT BEFORE THEY COME AGAIN, BEFORE THIS BODY AND PRESENT

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THIS PLAN. WHO IS? SOMEBODY TALKED TO ME ABOUT PROCESS.

TINA FIRGENS, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

YES, SIR. ARE THEY ARE THEY REQUIRED TO COME BACK, OR CAN WE DO THAT OR I MEAN, I KNOW WE CAN GO THROUGH THE MOTION, BUT IS THAT BINDING.

SO YOU CAN THE COUNCIL CAN DIRECT THEM TO COME BACK.

YOU'VE ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO THERE WOULD NOT PRESUMABLY ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

IF YOU WERE WANTING TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO RE NOTICE.

SO AND.

NO, NO, BUT I'M JUST I'M JUST SAYING IF THEY DO, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OR WITHOUT.

THEY HAVE A PLAN THAT'S APPROVED RIGHT NOW AS PART OF THEIR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT DOES ALLOW FOR THEM TO BUILD THE DRIVE CONNECTION, WHERE IT'S SHOWN THEY WERE WANTING THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL PARKING AS WELL.

SO IT'S THE THEY MY CONCERN WITH THEM POTENTIALLY COMING BACK IN IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS IS THAT WE WE MAY NOT GET ANY RESULTS OTHER THAN WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED THIS EVENING.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM, THAT'S FINE.

BUT I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET ANY FURTHER RESOLUTION THAN WHAT'S BEING OFFERED TODAY.

WE'VE AGREED TO EVALUATE THE SITUATION ON CARNEGIE RIDGE AND MONITOR THAT FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT.

THE STREET IS FUNCTIONING AS IT IS.

THE STREET IS DESIGNED TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING ALONG IT AND STILL MAINTAIN THE TWO LANES OF TRAVEL FLOW.

SO THE THE CHURCH HAS OFFERED THE GATE.

THE GATE HAS BEEN INCLUDED ON THE PLAN.

THE CHURCH HAS OFFERED TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BE MINDFUL OF WHEN THAT GATE IS OPEN AND CLOSED TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THEIR OPERATIONAL NEEDS.

SO THOSE WERE THE THE THE OFFERINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AS IT RELATES TO THIS PROJECT.

BUT IN TERMS OF IF THEY BRING IT BACK, UNLESS MACK YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ADVICE? YEAH, WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST.

IF WE WERE GOING TO CONTINUE AN ITEM INSTEAD OF HAVING TO SEND NEW NOTICES OUT TO EVERY PROPERTY OWNER TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING, TO OPEN IT BACK UP MAYOR BEFORE THE ITEM IS CLOSED OR IT'S VOTED ON, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT PUBLIC HEARING CAN BE CONTINUED UNTIL THAT FUTURE DATE.

THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK OUT AND RE NOTICE.

PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO COME BACK AT THAT MEETING AND CONTINUE TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

OKAY. AND.

TALK TO ME AGAIN ABOUT JUST SO I CAN MAKE SURE I HAVE IT STRAIGHT, THE TIMING ASPECT OF IT.

WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT THE TWO WEEKS OR.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. I THINK IT'S TWO WEEKS.

IS THAT YOU SAID THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TIME OR THAT IS.

NO, NO, I THINK IT WAS COUNCIL THE MOTION WAS TO POTENTIALLY BRING THIS BACK AT THE FEBRUARY 20TH DATE.

SO WE HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT DATE IF THAT'S WHEN COUNCIL WANTS TO BE BROUGHT BACK.

GOT IT. OKAY.

I'M WITH YOU. AND THAT'S ALSO I WOULD RECOMMEND THEN YOU REOPEN TO MAX POINT.

YOU REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT PUBLIC HEARING CAN BE CONTINUED TO THE FEBRUARY 20TH DATE.

OKAY. YEAH. OKAY.

THEN, I'LL.

I NEED TO AMEND MY MOTION.

NO. SO, I WILL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MACK.

I'LL MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE.

THE MOTION'S BEEN MADE TO A DATE.

CERTAIN. IS THAT ACCURATE? YES. AND AND JUST TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CONTINUED AS PART OF THE MOTION.

OKAY. SO THAT'S THE MOTION.

COUNCILMAN MELTZER.

YES. I HAVE A FURTHER QUESTION.

FOR STAFF, I KIND OF FELT YOU WERE SAYING THAT YOU WERE SKEPTICAL OF HAVING A DIFFERENT RESULT, IN PART BECAUSE OF THE SHORTNESS OF THE TIME. NO.

OKAY. JUST BECAUSE OF THE OF ALL OF THE THE ANALYSIS THAT'S GONE INTO THIS CASE BEING PRESENTED THIS EVENING, THE ANALYSIS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION ADDITIONAL ADJUSTMENTS BEING MADE TO THE PLAN BETWEEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AND THE MEETING THIS EVENING.

SO, BUT I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO SERVE THE COUNCIL.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT.

I WAS, JUST LOOKING TO EVALUATE WAS WHETHER IT WOULD BE MORE PRODUCTIVE IF THERE WERE A LITTLE MORE TIME IN BETWEEN.

BUT YOU DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE? NOT REALLY.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND. OKAY.

OFF MIKE. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S NEI.

ALL RIGHT. EVERYONE ELSE'S PHOTO ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT MOTION PASSES FOR THREE.

[02:50:01]

THAT CONCLUDES OUR MEETING AT 759.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.