Apr 02, 2024 City Council on 2024-04-02 2:00 PM

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GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

[WORK SESSION]

WE AND IT IS 2 P.M.

AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

LOOKING AT THE AGENDA, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON THE CONSENT.

WE CAN WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SO THEN THAT TAKES US TO QUESTIONS AND FROM COUNCIL ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. SO ANY QUESTIONS? CLARIFICATIONS. SEEING NONE.

THAT TAKES US TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION.

AND THAT IS.

ITEM A, WHICH IS THREE A ID 24111.

[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding potential subject matter to be discussed by a future Charter Review Committee. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING POTENTIAL SUBJECT MATTER TO TO BE DISCUSSED BY FUTURE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.

GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

KRISTY FOGEL CHIEF OF STAFF.

TODAY WE WILL GO OVER THE CURRENT PROVISIONS IN SECTIONS 4.034, 14.03, 14.04 AND 14.16. WILL PROVIDE CURRENT PRACTICES AND OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.

YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO THE FORTHCOMING CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, AND QUESTIONS WILL BE NOTATED AND ANSWERED THROUGH THE COMMITTEE PROCESS. SO WE WILL START WITH SECTION 1403, THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER OF THE CITY WHICH READS THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL ANNUALLY SELECT AND DESIGNATE BY RESOLUTION THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER OF THE CITY, IN WHICH ALL ORDINANCES AND OFFICIAL NOTICES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE PUBLISHED SHALL BE PUBLISHED.

CURRENT. CURRENTLY, STATE LAW DOES REQUIRE CERTAIN NOTICES TO BE PUBLISHED IN A NEWSPAPER OF GENERAL CIRCULATION, AND THE DENTON RECORD-CHRONICLE SERVES THAT PURPOSE FOR THE CITY. IN 2023, A TOTAL OF $7,704 WAS SPENT ON DENTON RECORD-CHRONICLE PUBLICATIONS, AND WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE DRC TO DETERMINE WHAT WAS SPENT ON PUBLICATIONS DIRECTED BY THIS PROVISION, AS OPPOSED TO JOB POSTINGS OR SPECIAL EVENT ANNOUNCEMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING. AND THEN THE FEE PER PUBLICATION DEPENDS ON THE LENGTH OF THE POST, BUT IS USUALLY IN A RANGE OF $50 TO $150. SO FOR COUNCIL DIRECTION AND DISCUSSION TODAY COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER CHANGING THE CURRENT OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER OF THE CITY THROUGH THE RESOLUTION PROCESS.

AND THAT WOULD HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF THIS CHARTER REVIEW PROCESS.

OR COUNCIL CAN PROVIDE DIRECTION TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE CHARTER THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.

GOT IT. AND THIS WAS MY REQUEST.

AND SO I WORK WITH YOU.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY FIT THE REQUIREMENTS AS LAID OUT.

SO I'LL WORK WITH THEM TO ASK THEM IF THEY, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'D BE INTERESTED IN ADDRESSING SO THAT THEY COULD BE ELIGIBLE, BUT THAT I DO WANT TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO INVEST THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY IN A DIFFERENT WAY, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, IF IT'S $10 OR A THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, I JUST WOULD RATHER GET THE COLLEGE STUDENTS AT REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE IF POSSIBLE, IF THEY CAN MEET THOSE THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

SO TAKING STAFF'S FEEDBACK AND UNDERSTANDING, I JUST I DON'T THINK IT'S THE RIGHT NOW THE ONLY OPTION IS WHAT WE'RE DOING CURRENTLY, BUT I'LL CONTINUE TO WORK TO TRY TO GET A, GET US A SECOND OPTION THERE.

AND SO I APPRECIATE THE WORK ON THAT AND THE FEEDBACK.

AND THEN SO I THINK WE CAN UNLESS THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO PRESS THAT FORWARD, I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO JUST DROP THAT ONE.

COUNCILWOMAN MCGEE. I'LL JUST SAY, I APPRECIATE YOU YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS ON THIS.

I AGREE WITH YOU. SO GOOD LUCK AND HELPING THEM GET THERE.

OKAY. AND SO THEN YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE, MOVE ON TO SECTION 1404, THE ETHICS ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT BASICALLY STATES THAT THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL ADOPT AN ETHICS ORDINANCE.

IT SHALL PROHIBIT THE USE OF PUBLIC OFFICE FOR PRIVATE GAIN AND INCORPORATE THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST STANDARDS THAT ARE IN STATE LAW.

THE THE COUNCIL MAY ADOPT MORE STRINGENT STANDARDS THAN ARE IN STATE LAW, BUT THE ETHICS ORDINANCE WILL, AT A MINIMUM INCLUDE A DEFINITION OF PROHIBITED IMPROPER ECONOMIC INTEREST AND PERSONAL GAIN, A DEFINITION OF RECUSAL, AND IMPROPER PARTICIPATION WHEN A POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST IS PRESENT, AVOIDANCE OF APPEARANCE OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF ETHICS ORDINANCE, INCLUDING THE POWER TO SUBPOENA

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SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE AN ETHICS ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT DOES ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AS WELL AS DEFINES THE DUTY TO REPORT FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS DISCLOSURES, CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, GIFTS, REPRESENTATION OF OTHERS, IMPROPER INFLUENCE, MISUSE OF INFORMATION, ABUSE OF RESOURCES AND POSITION, AND SUBSEQUENT SUBSEQUENT WORK ON PRIOR PROJECTS.

SO SIMILAR TO SIMILARLY TO THE LAST ONE COUNCIL CAN MODIFY THE EXISTING ETHICS ORDINANCE THROUGH THE BOARD OF ETHICS PROCESS, OR TODAY YOU CAN PROVIDE DIRECTION TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE TO MODIFY THIS SECTION.

THROUGH THE CHARTER REVIEW PROCESS.

OKAY. SO THOSE I GUESS IT WOULD BE.

LET ME SEE.

YEAH, IT WOULD BE OPTION TWO.

I'D NEED TO SEE IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR SENDING IT TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.

IF NOT, THEN WE CAN JUST MOVE FORWARD.

SO THOSE AND THOSE LOOK INTO.

SUPPORT OPTION TWO WOULD JUST.

I JUST NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU. SO, MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

I THINK I, I'D LIKE TO SEE US HAVE THE CHARTER.

SEE WHAT? THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.

IF THERE'S A TASTE FOR THIS.

BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A WE KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH ON ON VARIOUS THINGS AND WORDSMITHING AND WHATNOT, AND I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO USE MODEL LANGUAGE THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED FOR MANY, MANY CITIES AND THEN DO WHATEVER, LIKE CUSTOMIZATION IS NEEDED FOR DENTON TO INCREASE THE, THE POOL OF OUR COMPARATORS AND COMPARABLES AND USE CASES AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR US TO MAKE DECISIONS BECAUSE WE'RE BASING IT ON YOU KNOW, MODEL LANGUAGE THAT'S USED ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AND ACROSS THE WORLD.

SO I'M, I'M, I'M DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN WHETHER THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE AND ANY THOUGHTS THEY HAVE FOR OPTION TWO.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILWOMAN MELTZER.

YEAH, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A VERY.

KIND OF HOMEGROWN ORDINANCE THAT WE NOW HAVE SOME TRACK RECORD WITH.

AND SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO NOW SEE HOW DO WE LIKE HOW ELEMENTS HAVE WORKED THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM THE MODEL ORDINANCE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE DO WE LIKE THEM OR DO WE THINK DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THEM.

AND JUST A COUPLE OF AREAS THAT I THINK THE COMMITTEE COULD EXPLORE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, HOW WELL DO WE ACTUALLY COVER APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY, LOOKING AT BROADER DEFINITIONS OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND WHAT'S THERE SO FAR THE ROLE OF THE COMPLAINANT.

HAS PROSECUTOR NOT EVER REPLACE WORKS THAT WAY.

THERE'S A DUTY TO REPORT, BUT THERE'S NO BUILT IN WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION FOR CITY OFFICIALS AND EMPLOYEES.

WE'VE GOT THIS KIND OF DIFFERENT VENDOR DEFINITION IN OUR CODE THAT CURRENTLY EXCLUDES THOSE WHO WOULD SELL OR TRANSFER LAND FOR RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN PROVISION TO THERE'S NO PROVISION TO, TO VOID CONTRACTS THAT ARE EXECUTED UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES FOUND TO BE UNETHICAL.

AND LASTLY THERE'S NO ALTERNATIVE TO A HEARING LIKE ANY KIND OF SETTLEMENT PROVISIONS WHEN THE COMPLAINANT AND THE RESPONDENT CONCUR. SO THOSE ARE SOME AREAS I COULD SEND YOU THIS LATER IF THAT WOULD HELP.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCIL. MCGEE. I'M A YES FOR OPTION TWO.

OKAY. THANK YOU MA'AM.

YEAH. AND I'LL JUST.

I DON'T SUPPORT OPTION TWO FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION.

MR. CITY ATTORNEY.

I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO FOCUS YOU IN ON THE, THE THE WORD STRONG AND MEANINGFUL REMEDIES.

WHAT IS THE STRONGEST THIS BODY CAN DO TO EACH OTHER, RIGHT.

WE'RE ALL ELECTED. SO WHAT'S THE STRONGEST REMEDY AVAILABLE TO US? A MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S A HARSHLY WORDED LETTER.

YEAH. THERE'S CENSURE WHICH COUNCIL COULD DO.

AND I THINK THAT'S AN OPTION FOR THE BOARD OF ETHICS AS WELL.

UNDER OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS.

RIGHT. SO.

HYPOTHETICAL, SOMEONE FRAUDULENTLY USES THE THE CITY SECRETARY'S SEAL, THEY GET A STRONGLY WORDED LETTER.

SOMEONE DIDN'T TURN OVER THE OPEN RECORDS REQUEST.

THEY GET A STRONGLY WORDED LETTER.

THERE'S NO PROVISION TO REMOVE PEOPLE FROM OFFICE.

AND SO FOR ME, THE ETHICS ORDINANCE HAS THAT AVAILABLE TO THEM.

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IT'S CUSTOM MADE FOR DENTON.

WE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN TIME DRAFTING THAT.

AND SO TO HAVE A COMMITTEE REVIEW IT, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT LEGAL EXPERTISE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE THE TIME WE HAD TO DRAFT IT.

I JUST.

I DON'T SEE THAT BEING PRODUCTIVE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST YOU CAN'T EVERY YEAR JUST TAKE MONEY FROM FROM.

THE TAXPAYERS HAVE AN ATTORNEY STEP THROUGH.

HOW MANY WEEKS WAS THAT BEFORE MY TIME.

BUT IT WAS MONTHS.

YEAH, YEAH.

SO WE SPENT MONTHS OF ATTORNEY TIME DRAFTING THIS.

CUSTOMIZES THE DENTON TO THEN THROW IT AWAY.

IS A PROBLEM FOR ME.

SO. AND IT HAS NO EFFECT TO TO THE END TO TO.

ULTIMATELY EVERYONE'S HERE BASED ON VOTES AND AND THAT DOESN'T CHANGE.

SO THAT'S WHY I CAN'T GET ON BOARD.

COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN BYRD.

I'M GOING TO GO WITH OPTION TWO.

I DO BELIEVE THAT WE WILL BE MATURE ENOUGH TO HAVE COUNCIL NEXT TO US.

IN ANY CASE IN THESE PARTICULAR KIND OF CASES.

AND I CAN IMAGINE THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE HAVING, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE TO THERE TO SUPPORT THEM ON THAT.

I DO I JUST CAN'T AGREE WITH ONE BECAUSE OUR COUNCIL TURNOVER, YOU KNOW, IS SO GREAT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERY TWO YEARS WHERE I CAN COUNCIL CAN TURN OVER.

SO, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THAT ONUS ON, ON A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE FOR ONE, ON BEING ON A COUNCIL.

YOUR FIRST YEAR IS A LEARNING PROCESS, REALLY? AND IF WE NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING AT THAT TIME, THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO THAT INDIVIDUAL.

SO YEAH, I THINK OPTION TWO IS IS A GOOD CHOICE FOR US.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. TAKES US TO THE NEXT ITEM.

OKAY. SO THE LAST ITEM WILL GO OVER 14.16 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

MEMBERS OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS OF THE CITY OF DENTON SHALL SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.

MEMBERS OF SUCH BOARDS MAY BE REMOVED BY THE COUNCIL ONLY FOR CAUSE, AND ONLY AFTER BEING GIVEN NOTICE BY THE COUNCIL.

CURRENTLY, THE REQUIREMENTS TO SERVE ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IS SET BY ORDINANCE, AND THE ONLY REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE IN PLACE ARE THAT THEY BE A RESIDENT AND THAT THEY BE 18 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER.

THOUGH SOME BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS DO HAVE THE SPECIAL QUALIFICATIONS, DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE OR KNOWLEDGE SETS THAT IS ALSO SET THROUGH ORDINANCE. SO AGAIN, COUNCIL CAN MODIFY THE EXISTING BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PRACTICES THROUGH RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE.

OR YOU CAN PROVIDE DIRECTION TO ADD ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS OR FOR SERVICE OR OTHERWISE MODIFY SECTION 14.16 THROUGH THE CHARTER REVIEW PROCESS.

GREAT. SO SIMILARLY, IF IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR THE.

TO ADD THIS TO THE CHARTER, I NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU.

OTHERWISE WE'LL JUST DEFAULT TO OPTION ONE.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT SORT OF THE PROCESS IS DO WE NEED TO SINCE SINCE SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE IS IN 1416. IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES IN THE PROCESS.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S ANOTHER ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA KIND OF THING.

DO WE IS THERE ANY MODIFICATIONS NEEDED TO 14, 16 OR OR WE CAN DO WHATEVER PROCESS WE WANT THROUGH ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS, AND MAYBE THAT'S A CITY ATTORNEY QUESTION.

DO WE DO WE NEED TO DO A 1416 CHANGE OR IS EVERYTHING AVAILABLE TO US IN OPTION ONE? THE ONLY THING THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

1416 RIGHT NOW SAYS EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSIONER SERVES AT THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.

SO YOU APPOINT THEM AND REMOVE THEM.

THE ONE CAVEAT IS THAT YOU CAN ONLY REMOVE A BOARD MEMBER FOR CAUSE AFTER GIVING GIVING THEM NOTICE.

IF YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE CHARTER.

OTHERWISE, IT'S WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW TO REGULATE HOW THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE.

AT LEAST THE COMMISSIONS AND THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED REMOVED QUALIFICATIONS CRITERIA.

THAT'S WITHIN YOUR AUTHORITY.

JUST FOR EXAMPLE, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, COUNCIL TOOK AWAY THE VOTER REQUIREMENT.

YOU HAVE TO BE A VOTER.

NOW IT'S JUST A RESIDENT THAT'S WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE COUNCIL TO DO WITHOUT THE CHARTER BEING CHANGED.

OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT.

THEN THEN I, I DO HAVE SOME THINGS THAT, THAT I'LL WANT TO BRING UP AT THAT APPROPRIATE ITEM LATER IN THE AGENDA.

BUT IF WE DON'T NEED TO MODIFY THE CHARTER TO GET THEM, THEN I'M OKAY WITH EITHER.

EITHER WAY, MODIFYING THE CHARTER OR NOT.

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SO I GUESS THAT TO GIVE THE GIVE THE MAYOR SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, IF UNLESS I'M THE TIEBREAKER, I'M FINE WITH OPTION ONE.

AND IF NEED BE, I CAN SWITCH TO OPTION TWO.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE SUPPORTIVE OF OPTION TWO? OH, YEAH.

NO. OKAY.

THERE YOU GO. NEXT.

OKAY. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE SECTIONS WE'RE GOING OVER TODAY.

AT THE APRIL 16TH MEETING, WE'LL GO OVER SECTION 4.12, THE INITIATIVE, REFERENDUM AND RECALL SECTION.

AND THEN AT THE MAY 21ST MEETING, WE'LL GO OVER THE TWO MINUTE PITCH.

GREAT. OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

YEAH. WELL DONE.

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM B, WHICH IS ID 24485.

[B. Receive a report and hold a discussion on the Denton Police Department Annual Update and 2023 Annual Report. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

DISCUSSION ON THE DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT ANNUAL UPDATE AND 2023 ANNUAL REPORT.

WELL. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

BRIAN COATS, INTERIM CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE STAFF THAT WAS ABLE TO JOIN US TODAY.

QUITE A FEW FOLKS.

WE HAVE ASSISTANT CHIEF STEVE BUCHANAN, OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION LIAISON, AMY CUNNINGHAM, WHO, BY THE WAY, PUT TOGETHER THAT VERY BEAUTIFUL ANNUAL REPORT THAT YOU HAVE THERE. OUR OWN DOCTOR, RICHARD WILLIAMS, WHO HANDLES ACCREDITATION AND COMPLIANCE FOR THE DEPARTMENT.

WE HAVE OUR CRIME ANALYST, CHRIS WOMACK, AND THEN WE HAVE DEPUTY CHIEF MIKE CHRISTIAN.

OUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, SUZANNE COLETTA.

DEPUTY CHIEF TONY SALAS, DEPUTY CHIEF DERRICK BRADFORD.

AND I THINK I GOT EVERYBODY THERE.

SO. PLEASED TO PRESENT THIS REPORT ON OUR 2023 ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND WHERE WE'RE GOING FROM THERE.

I JUST WANTED TO START OFF BY SAYING THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS THE MISSION AND VISION STATEMENT OF THE DEPARTMENT REMAINS UNCHANGED, AND WE ARE STILL GUIDED BY OUR CORE VALUES OF PROFESSIONALISM, RESPECT, DEDICATION INTEGRITY AND EXCELLENCE.

I PUT THOSE OUT OF ORDER, BUT THEY DO SPELL PRIDE IF YOU PUT THEM IN THE RIGHT ORDER.

DISCUSSING OUR CURRENT DEPARTMENT STRUCTURE, WE HAVE THREE ASSISTANT DIRECTORS.

WE HAVE ASSISTANT CHIEF OR, EXCUSE ME, ASSISTANT CHIEF STEVE BUCHANAN, WHO OVERSEES OUR CRIME ANALYST UNIT INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND OUR COMMUNITY RESOURCE OFFICERS.

WE ALSO HAVE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR SHANE MAYO, WHO HANDLES OUR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES BUREAU, AND ASSISTANT DIRECTOR SUZANNE COLLETTA, WHICH I MENTIONED HANDLES OUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS, DISPATCHING POLICE, FIRE FOR BOTH DENTON AND LITTLE ELM, AS WELL AS ANIMAL SERVICES FOR THE CITY OF DENTON.

AT OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR LEVEL, WE HAVE DEPUTY CHIEF TONY SALAS, WHO RIGHT NOW IS COVERING BOTH THE NORTH PATROL BUREAU AND THE SOUTH PATROL BUREAU.

DURING THIS INTERIM PERIOD WE ALSO HAVE THAT'S ALSO THE DOWNTOWN UNIT, OUR SPECIAL EVENTS UNIT, AND THE TRAFFIC UNIT.

DEPUTY CHIEF MIKE CHRISTIAN OVERSEES OUR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS BUREAU.

ALL THINGS TO DO WITH INVESTIGATIONS.

AND THEN DEPUTY CHIEF BRADFORD OVER THE SUPPORT SERVICES BUREAU, WHICH IS ALL KINDS OF STUFF, FROM THE ACADEMY TO THE TRAINING UNIT TO THE JAIL, THE SCHOOL RESOURCE, OUR STUDENT RESOURCE OFFICER PROGRAM, AND THEN THE SUPPORTING UNITS LIKE QUARTERMASTER, FLEET SERVICES AND SO ON.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT 2023.

PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST EXCITING ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR OUR FOLKS IS THE COMPLETION OF THE POLICE FACILITIES APPROVED IN THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM.

SO NOT ONE TO BACK AWAY FROM A CHALLENGE.

WE DID TACKLE BUILDING TWO NEW BUILDINGS.

THE FIREARMS RANGE, THE SUBSTATION WALL REMODELING OUR HEADQUARTERS BUILDING.

ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE NOW COMPLETE.

WE'RE ALL MOVED IN AND SETTLED IN, AND EVERYBODY'S ENJOYING THOSE TREMENDOUSLY.

I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T GIVE A SPECIAL THANKS TO TOM CRAMER, DAVID MOORE AND ALL THE STAFF OVER THERE AT FACILITIES MANAGEMENT WHO IN THE FINAL DAYS OF THOSE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS JUST REALLY STEPPED UP AND HELPED TREMENDOUSLY FINISH EVERYTHING OFF.

AS YOU KNOW, IN 2022, THE DEPARTMENT ACHIEVED ACCREDITATION THROUGH THE TEXAS POLICE CHIEF ASSOCIATION.

TCA. AND SO IN 23, WE COMPLETED THE YEAR ONE OF A FOUR YEAR RE-ACCREDITATION PROCESS SPEARHEADED BY DOCTOR WILLIAMS.

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WE'VE ALSO COMPLETED OUR DEPARTMENT WIDE TRAINING ON THE ACTIVE BYSTANDER SHIP FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THAT'S A TRAINING THAT IS DESIGNED TO PREVENT HARM BY SUPPORTING HEALTHY PEER INTERVENTION.

SO BASICALLY THE DUTY TO INTERVENE AND WORKING ON REDUCING MISTAKES AND BUILDING HEALTH AND WELLNESS ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION.

AND THEN FINALLY, WE STARTED THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT A NEW COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH AND RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

THIS IS THE BACKBONE OF HOW WE KNOW WHICH CALLS TO GO TO AND THEN HOW WE DO THE REPORTS.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY.

A HEFTY PROJECT THAT PROCEEDS HERE INTO 2024 AND AGAIN, WITHOUT THE HELP OF TECH SERVICES FOLKS LIKE DALE HOUSE AND BRETT DINSMORE ASSIGNED OVER TO PUBLIC SAFETY. THAT PROJECT WOULD BE A LOT MORE HARD THAN WHAT IT WILL END UP BEING.

SO THANKS TO THEM FOR THAT.

THE CHIEFS OF CHIEF OF POLICE ADVISORY BOARD MET A COUPLE OF TIMES IN 2023, HAD SOME REALLY GOOD CONVERSATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM ALONG THE WAY.

THEY DID PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, WHICH WAS ADOPTED TO STAGGER THE TERMS, WHICH WILL HELP WITH SOME KIND OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE ON THE BOARD.

SO WE'RE NOT RETRAINING THE GROUP EVERY GO AROUND.

SO THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE.

I BELIEVE ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WILL CONTINUE OR CONTINUE TO SERVE UNTIL 2025.

SOME OF THEM WILL CONTINUE INTO 2026.

AND THAT WILL SET UP THAT STAGGERED TERM, WHICH WILL HELP DEFINITELY WITH TRAINING AND KIND OF BRINGING THEM UP TO SPEED.

SO WE LAST MET JUST LAST WEEK WITH THE BOARD.

THE BIG TOPIC FOR THAT MEETING WAS SOME OF THE LEGISLATIVE THINGS GOING ON, SUCH AS SENATE BILL FOUR WHICH IS CURRENTLY ON HOLD.

BUT THEY HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, AND WE WERE ABLE TO WALK THROUGH WHERE IT'S AT NOW AND WHAT KIND OF THE NEXT STEPS MAY BE ON IT.

AND WE'LL KEEP THEM UP TO DATE AS WE GO FORWARD.

THE NEXT MEETING IS THIS SUMMER WHERE WE'LL BE PROVIDING AN UPDATE TO OUR RESPONSE TO RESISTANCE STATISTICS AND SOME OTHER INFORMATION THAT THEY WERE WANTING TO LOOK INTO.

AND WE'LL DO A NICE DEEP DIVE INTO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS UNIT SO THEY CAN EXPLORE THAT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF OUR STATS.

SO OUR TOP TEN CRIMES REPORTED FROM 22 TO 23.

THE TOP TEN CRIME CATEGORIES REMAINS THE SAME.

TEN THEY JUST KIND OF CHANGED ORDER.

THE NUMBER ONE.

IF YOU COMBINE IT, ALL REMAINS THEFT.

THEFT IS STILL THE NUMBER ONE REPORTED CRIME.

ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND THEN. DWIZ HAS INCREASED, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.

ON ANOTHER SLIDE.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CALLS FOR SERVICE, THEY CONTINUE TO CLIMB.

WE HAD AN INCREASE OF ABOUT A LITTLE UNDER 10,000 CALLS MORE IN 2023 THAN WE DID IN 2022.

THOSE ARE BOTH DISPATCH CALLS WHERE A CITIZEN CALLS IN TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS, AND THEN THAT CALL IS ENTERED AND SENT TO AN OFFICER AS WELL AS OFFICER INITIATED CALLS. THESE ARE THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC STOPS AND BUILDING CHECKS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO WHILE WE DO HAVE AN INCREASE, WE ALSO ARE SEEING AN INCREASE IN PROACTIVE ACTIVITY FROM THE OFFICERS TRYING TO TO GET OUT THERE AND CHECK ON LOCATIONS AND TRY TO DO SOME TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.

IT'S ABOUT AN 8% INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR IN OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE.

NOW I WILL PUT A LITTLE ASTERISK NEXT TO THIS.

THIS IS NOT THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT CAME INTO OUR DISPATCH CENTER.

THAT NUMBER IS HIGHER THAN THIS.

SO, YOU KNOW, KUDOS TO SUZANNE AND HER TEAM THERE.

THEIR CALL LOAD BETWEEN US AND LITTLE ELM IS ALSO RISING SIGNIFICANTLY.

BUT IN SOME GOOD NEWS, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS BUREAU IS FULLY STAFFED, WHICH IS REMARKABLE.

MOST COMMUNICATION CENTERS WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT CLAIM.

AND WE CAN.

AND I BELIEVE WE EVEN HAVE A BIT OF A WAITING LIST OF PEOPLE WAITING FOR THAT NEXT OPENING TO COME UP, SHOULD THERE BE ONE.

SO, OF COURSE, IT ALSO MEANS THAT THEY'RE ALSO TRAINING 17 COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

SO I'M SURE THAT IS A FUN ACTIVITY.

BUT IT'S A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE.

AS WE BREAK DOWN OUR VIOLENT AND PROPERTY CRIME OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE SEE THAT OUR VIOLENT CRIMES WENT UP BY TWO REPORTS FROM 2022 TO 2023.

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SO ACROSS THE BOARD, THE CRIME RATE HAS DECREASED IN BOTH VIOLENT AND PROPERTY CRIMES.

AND I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT IT'S ACTUALLY THE LOWEST VIOLENT CRIME RATE WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

SO THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE WORK OF THE OFFICERS THAT ARE OUT THERE EACH DAY AND NIGHT.

YOU KNOW, TRYING TO INTERCEPT CRIME AND, AND FOLKS, THAT WOULD BE UP TO NO GOOD AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

SO GREAT WORK TO ALL OF THEM.

THIS SLIDE IF YOU SAW JUST BREAKS THAT UP A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WAY.

THIS IS BASED ON THE FBI'S UNIFORM CRIME REPORTING PART ONE AND PART TWO OFFENSES.

YOU'LL SEE THE DEFINITION THERE BELOW.

BUT IT'S KIND OF A NICE VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF THE OVERALL DECREASE IN CRIME, ESPECIALLY THOSE PART TWO CRIMES.

WE TALK ABOUT DWI.

THAT NUMBER, AS YOU RECALL FROM THE TOP TEN, WAS THE NUMBER TWO ON THE LIST.

WE IN FACT SET A COUPLE OF RECORDS IN 2023, IN TERMS OF DRIVING WHILE INTOXICATED.

ENFORCEMENT RECORD NUMBER ONE 906 966 DWIS WERE APPREHENDED.

THAT'S A RECORD HIGH NUMBER OF DWI.

BUT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE ALSO HAD A RECORD LOW NUMBER OF DWI RELATED CRASHES IN 2023 AT 22%.

SO AGAIN, THE WORK THAT THE OFFICERS ARE DOING DAY IN AND DAY OUT IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN REDUCING THOSE INTOXICATION RELATED CRASHES. SOMETHING THAT HAS HELPED WITH OUR DWI PROGRAM IS SERGEANT DARREN BRIGGS.

HE WAS OUR TRAFFIC SERGEANT DEVELOPED A GRANT FUNDED, JAIL BASED PHLEBOTOMY PROGRAM.

SO WHEREAS IN THE PAST, WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE SOMEONE ARRESTED FOR DWI OUT OF THE JAIL INTO A LOCAL HOSPITAL.

WE NOW HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WITHIN THE JAIL THROUGH A GRANT FUNDED PROGRAM THAT PROVIDES A PROFESSIONAL PHLEBOTOMIST TO DO THOSE BLOOD DRAWS IN A MUCH QUICKER, SAFER ENVIRONMENT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S BEEN A HUGE HELP FOR US.

AND IT'S BECOME A MODEL FOR OTHER AGENCIES.

IN FACT, SERGEANT BRIGGS JUST RECENTLY PRESENTED AT THE TEXAS IMPAIRED DRIVING FORUM IN AUSTIN ABOUT HOW TO CREATE A PROGRAM LIKE THIS.

AND LATER ON THIS YEAR, HE'LL BE GOING TO THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE TRAFFIC SAFETY CONFERENCE IN WASHINGTON, DC, TO PRESENT ON A NATIONAL SCALE, HOW TO STAND UP A PROGRAM LIKE OURS HERE IN DENTON.

A LOT OF WORK THERE, BUT IT HAS PAID OFF TREMENDOUSLY.

HELPING US OUT. MARIJUANA UPDATE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, MARIJUANA CHARGES ARE DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY ACROSS THE BOARD.

MARIJUANA CITATIONS OF ALSO SHOWN A DECLINE SINCE LAST YEAR.

WHEN WE LOOK A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THAT, YOU SEE THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE CASES DO INVOLVE OTHER HIGHER LEVEL OFFENSES UNRELATED TO JUST THE MARIJUANA POSSESSION.

WHEN WE TALK ON THE MISDEMEANOR SIDE OF THE CHART SEVERAL OF THOSE WERE RELATED TO DWI AND UNLAWFULLY CARRYING A WEAPON.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE.

WE HAVE SOME GOALS IN 2024 AS WE PROGRESS THROUGH THE YEAR.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES IS A MISSION.

WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE CALLING IT MISSION ZERO UNTIL WE COME UP WITH A BETTER CATCH PHRASE.

BUT THAT IS TO FILL ALL OF OUR CURRENT VACANCIES BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.

IT'S GOING TO BE A HEAVY LIFT.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF WORK FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE DEPARTMENT.

BUT IF WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT MORE STAFF OUT ON THE STREET, PUT MORE STAFF IN THOSE SUPPORTING UNITS TO HELP PATROL.

AND THAT WILL BE A GREAT THING FOR EVERYBODY.

ALSO WORKING ON INCREASING OUR OUR CERT TRAINED OFFICERS.

THESE ARE THE OFFICERS THAT HAVE THE SPECIAL ADVANCED MENTAL HEALTH TRAINING.

SO WE HAVE OUR MENTAL HEALTH UNIT OF CO-RESPONDERS.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE PATROL OFFICERS WHO HAVE RECEIVED SIMILAR TRAINING AND CAN SERVE IN A SUPPORT ROLE TO THE MENTAL HEALTH DIVISION.

WE'RE LOOKING AT EXPANDING THE NUMBER OF PATROL OFFICERS THAT HAVE THAT SPECIALIZED TRAINING UP TO AND INCLUDING POTENTIALLY ADDING IT TO OUR BASIC POLICE ACADEMY SO THAT ALL NEW OFFICERS COMING IN WILL COME IN WITH THAT TRAINING WHILE WE PLAY CATCH UP WITH THE EXISTING OFFICERS WORKING ON OUR INTERNAL HEALTH AND WELLNESS, WE WILL WE WILL BE STANDING UP A WELLNESS COMMITTEE ACROSS THE DEPARTMENT, HOPING TO LOOK FOR KIND OF A NICE CROSS SECTION.

NOT ALL THE REALLY SUPER STRONG FOLKS.

WE KIND OF WANT SOME FOLKS THAT NEED SOME HELP IN THAT AREA.

TO HELP GUIDE WHAT WE CAN DO AS A DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THE RESOURCES WE NEED TO TO MAINTAIN A HEALTHY AND HAPPY WORKFORCE.

ALSO PROUD OF WERE DEVELOPED TRAINING PLANS FOR SPECIALIZED UNITS AND PROMOTIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.

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THIS WILL HELP US LIKE BETTER PREPARE INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS AND OTHER STAFF MEMBERS ON THE NON-SWORN SIDE FOR THE NEXT STEP.

WHERE DO THEY WANT TO GO NEXT IN THEIR CAREER? AND LET'S HELP YOU GET THERE.

IT ALSO HELPS US VET THE TRAINING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T END UP IN A CASE WHERE WE'RE SENDING OUR EMPLOYEES TO TRAINING THAT MAYBE ISN'T THE BEST TRAINING FOR OUR CULTURE AND PHILOSOPHY.

SO IT WILL HELP US VET THAT TRAINING AHEAD OF TIME.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY IT'S FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE WE KIND OF HAVE A PLAN FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET PEOPLE TRAINED UP FOR THESE SPECIAL POSITIONS.

AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THE YEAR WITH THE HELP OF DOCTOR WILLIAMS AND THE ADW OR A DEEPER WAY GROUP.

OUR NEXT STEP IN THAT PROGRAM IS TO START OUR INDIVIDUALIZED COACHING SESSIONS WITH EACH AND EVERY EMPLOYEE OF THE DEPARTMENT, SWORN AND NON-SWORN.

WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH THE COACH AND TALK ABOUT THEIR NEXT STEPS PERSONALLY.

AND THEN WE'LL BE CONDUCTING THE PHASE AFTER THAT AS A DEPARTMENT WIDE CULTURAL ASSESSMENT.

THAT'S PART OF THAT ADW PROGRAM.

ALL OF THESE GOALS THAT I JUST MENTIONED ARE IN LINE WITH OUR STRATEGIC INITIATIVES LISTED ON THE THE STRATEGIC PLAN DASHBOARD FOR THE CITY.

AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO JUST KEEPING THE MOMENTUM ON THESE AND GETTING THOSE THINGS ACCOMPLISHED THIS YEAR.

SO WITH THAT, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

ANY QUESTIONS? MAYOR PRO TEM. YEAH.

NO. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'VE GOT A BIGGER POPULATION AND YOU'VE GOT THOUSANDS OF MORE CALLS AND YOU SEE CRIME STATISTIC RATES GO DOWN IT'S REALLY HARD TO ARGUE WITH SUCCESS.

SO FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO COMMEND THAT YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, WE NOTICE IT'S IT'S IT'S WE'RE WE'RE AWARE AND WE APPRECIATE THE SERVICE WE'RE SEEING IN THIS REPORT.

THE COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I HAD ONE WAS ABOUT THE THE CHIEF'S ADVISORY BOARD.

I ASKED THIS BEFORE, BUT I'LL IN JANUARY, BUT I'LL ASK IT AGAIN, SEE IF THERE'S ANY NEW THOUGHTS ON IT.

HOW DO WE INTERPRET THE SINGLE RECOMMENDATION? IS IT ARE WE FROM THE POLICE CHIEF'S ADVISORY BOARD? IS THAT JUST.

EVERYTHING'S GREAT. AND SO THERE'S NOTHING TO RECOMMEND OR IT'S HARD TO MAKE ANY JUDGMENT OUT OF A SINGLE RECOMMENDATION.

SO HOW HOW DO YOU ALL INTERPRET THAT.

SO I THINK IT'S TWOFOLD.

ONE I THINK IT'S A POSITIVE SIGN.

IF WE HAD A SLEW OF RECOMMENDATIONS COMING OUT OF THE CHIEF'S ADVISORY BOARD, IT WOULD MEAN THAT WE WERE IN A BAD WAY AND NEEDED A LOT OF CHANGES.

SO I THINK THAT'S A POSITIVE SIGN.

BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S A BIT ABOUT THE BOARD DEFINING WHAT THEIR GOALS ARE AND WHAT THEY WANT TO PURSUE AND LOOK INTO.

AND SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE SUMMER MEETING, AS I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT IS ON THE AGENDA TO REALLY KIND OF REFOCUS.

AND LET'S, LET'S, LET'S EXAMINE WHAT DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT IN THE DEPARTMENT GOING FORWARD.

NO, THAT'S FAIR.

THAT'S FAIR. I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER.

AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS GIVEN GIVEN THE CHANGES IN LEADERSHIP AND THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVES, DO YOU ANTICIPATE ANY CHANGES YOU KIND OF ALLUDED TO? NOT, BUT I THOUGHT I WOULD ASK SO IN THE INTERIM CAPACITY, WE'RE ESTABLISHING FINITE GOALS THAT WE BELIEVE WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THIS YEAR.

AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVES TO SEE IF WE NEED TO TWEAK ANY OF THOSE IN LINE WITH OUR OBJECTIVES THIS YEAR.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, COUNCILMEMBER HARLAN COUNCILMAN MCGEE.

THANK YOU.

HOW HOW FAR DOWN ARE YOU? AS FAR AS AS FAR AS FILLING SWORN OFFICER VACANCIES? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 12 VACANCIES.

THAT'S DOWN FROM LAST YEAR WHERE WE WERE PUSHING CLOSER TO 20.

SO WE ONLY HAVE 12 TRUE VACANCIES.

WE'VE GOT SOME APPLICANTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PIPELINE.

OUR NEXT CIVIL SERVICE EXAM IS ON JUNE 1ST.

AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.

I'M CALLING IT A HISTORIC RECRUITING PITCH WITH OUR AUXILIARY RECRUITING TEAM THAT'S TALKED ABOUT IN THE REPORT THOSE 16 OFFICERS THAT ARE GOING TO HELP ON THE FRONT END, OUR COLLABORATION WITH MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS AT THE CITY LEVEL TO REALLY PUSH THE INFORMATION OUT AND HOPEFULLY GET QUITE A FEW PEOPLE TO COME IN AND TAKE THE CIVIL SERVICE TEST.

AND THEN THE WORK PASSES DOWN TO OUR BACKGROUND INVESTIGATORS AND OUR TRAINING STAFF.

IF WE CAN GET THEM IN THE DOOR, WE CAN GET THEM PROCESSED, WE CAN GET THEM IN TRAINING AND GET THEM ON THE STREET.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A MANAGEABLE NUMBER.

ABSOLUTELY. WE HAD A GOAL FOR THIS ACADEMY CLASS.

IT'S ABOUT TO START LATER THIS MONTH TO HAVE 13.

AND SO FILLING 12 IS IS DOABLE.

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AND AND THEN HOW MANY OFFICERS DO YOU TEND TO TEND TO LOSE A YEAR FROM RETIREMENT? DON'T WANT TO BE A POLICE OFFICER ANYMORE.

GET A GIG SOMEPLACE ELSE.

HOW OFTEN? I MEAN, WHAT'S THAT NUMBER? THAT NUMBER VARIES FROM YEAR TO YEAR.

OBVIOUSLY, COVID THROUGH KIND OF A HICCUP IN OUR IN OUR STATS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

BUT WE DO EXPECT TO LOSE SOME OFFICERS TO RETIREMENT.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF OFFICERS ON THE RADAR THIS YEAR THAT ARE DISCUSSING POTENTIALLY RETIRING, SO THAT 12TH MAY GO TO 14 OR 16.

OKAY. SO NOT SO NOT HUGE.

NOT A HUGE NUMBER. VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

CHIEF PICKING UP WHERE COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND LEFT OFF.

WITH RESPECT TO THE 12 VACANCIES.

WHERE DOES THAT RANK US? WITH OUR PARTNERS IN THE COUNTY AND THE METROPLEX? WHERE DO WE STACK UP WITH RESPECT TO THE NUMBER OF VACANCIES THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE? WELL, I THINK OUR RECRUITING CHALLENGES ARE NOT DENTON SPECIFIC IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I THINK NATIONWIDE, WE'RE SEEING SOME CHALLENGES GETTING THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST TO SIT FOR AN EXAMINATION.

BUT IT HAS REQUIRED US TO BE CREATIVE IN OUR APPROACHES.

THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

AND HOW DO WE SET OURSELVES APART FROM EVERY OTHER CITY THAT IS JUST DOWN THE ROAD? I THINK OUR NUMBER AT 12 IS PROBABLY PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD COMPARATIVELY.

I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS FROM OTHER CITIES, BUT IT'S NOT OVERLY CONCERNING.

IT DOES REPRESENT SOME WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO.

BUT I KNOW THERE ARE SOME CITIES IN MUCH WORSE CONDITION THAN WE ARE.

CAN YOU, SINCE YOU MENTIONED THAT, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CREATIVE THINGS, THE TOOLS THAT YOU'RE EMPLOYING TO TRY TO RECRUIT FOLKS? SURE. SO, WELL, NUMBER ONE, AS WE STOOD UP, THE AUXILIARY RECRUITING UNIT IT WAS SURPRISING HOW MANY OFFICERS WERE INTERESTED IN JOINING THAT TEAM. IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO PICK.

WE COULDN'T PICK THEM ALL BECAUSE THE TEAM GETS TOO BIG.

BUT IT WAS SURPRISING HOW MANY PEOPLE WANTED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE RECRUITING EFFORT TO BRING PEOPLE IN TO THE DEPARTMENT.

SO WITH THAT, THE RECRUITING AUXILIARY RECRUITERS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT ON THE FRONT END AND HOPEFULLY ATTRACT PEOPLE GET THEM TO SIGN UP FOR THE TEST.

AND THEN THE NEXT PHASE IS ALMOST LIKE A WE JUST WANT TO MAINTAIN CONTACT WITH THOSE APPLICANTS, A LOT OF APPLICANTS, THIS WILL NOT BE THE ONLY PLACE THAT THEY APPLY. THEY WILL APPLY AT OTHER CITIES.

SO ONCE THEY APPLY, WE WANT TO BASICALLY ASSIGN THEM ALMOST A MENTOR TYPE ROLE OUT OF THE AUXILIARY RECRUITING TEAM SO THAT THEY CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THEY HAVE, ESPECIALLY WITH ANY APPLICANTS THAT MAY BE MOVING INTO THE CITY FROM OUTSIDE THE AREA.

THEY'RE BOUND TO HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE'S THE BEST PLACE TO EAT? WHERE'S THE BEST PLACE TO GET A HOTEL ROOM WHILE I'M IN FOR A PROCESS.

AND SO THESE AUXILIARY RECRUITERS CAN JUST KIND OF EMBRACE THEM AND HELP WALK THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS.

NOT DO IT FOR THEM, BUT GIVE THEM ADVICE ON ON THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE TO STAY, WHERE TO EAT, WHAT THE NEXT STAGE OF THE PROCESS WILL LOOK LIKE.

WORKING WITH MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS IS PUSHING OUT JUST YOU KNOW, THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA AND OTHER AVENUES, JUST GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HIRING. AND LAST QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND YOU MENTIONED ADDING THE CERT, THE THE CERT CERTIFICATION TRAINING TO THE TO THE, TO THE INJURY LEVEL TRAINING.

SAY MORE ABOUT THAT PROCESS.

SURE. THAT'LL HAPPEN. THAT'LL TAKE PLACE IN THE ACADEMY RATHER THAN AFTER FOLKS GET OUT OF TRAINING.

YOU HAVE TO GO BACK IN AND DO IT.

THAT'S THE GOAL.

NOW, IT IS NOT AS EASY AS IT SOUNDS, BECAUSE THE STATE HAS ADDED ADDITIONAL HOURS TO THE BASIC TRAINING COURSE, SO ALREADY IT'S GROWING IN LENGTH AND TIME.

BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT ADDING THE I BELIEVE IT'S 3 TO 5 DAYS OF THE EXTRA TRAINING EITHER IN THE BASIC POLICE OFFICER COURSE OR IN THE IN-SERVICE ACADEMY RIGHT AFTER THAT.

OKAY AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

FROM THE TIME AN OFFICER HIRES ON, IT'S ABOUT A YEAR BEFORE THEY HIT THE STREET WITH ALL THE TRAINING AND REQUIREMENTS.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S. THAT'S ACCURATE.

OKAY. THANK CHIEF.

THANKS TO YOUR TEAM AS WELL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER.

WATTS. COUNCILMAN MELTZER.

YEAH. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.

I THOUGHT ONE OF YOUR SLIDES SAID YOU WANT TO HAVE THE VACANCIES FILLED BY WHEN? DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.

OKAY, SO THAT COVERS TWO BUDGET CYCLES.

SO HOW MUCH HOW MANY OF THOSE VACANCIES DO WE HAVE BUDGETED IN THIS CYCLE.

AND THEN HOW MUCH IS THAT REQUIRING FOR THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE.

DO WE CURRENTLY ALL OF THOSE ARE IN THIS THE 12 CORRECT IN THE 23 THE 2023 TO 24 BUDGET? THAT IS CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. SO THERE WON'T BE NECESSARILY ANY BEING ASKED FOR IN THE 2425 BUDGET.

NO. WE WILL BE SEEKING TO CONTINUE OUR.

YEAH. OKAY. YES. ALL RIGHT.

SO THE BUDGET IS NOT THE ISSUE.

IT'S FINDING THE PEOPLE TO FILL THE SPACES.

YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

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THANK YOU. YEAH.

FIRST, TO CLARIFY, THE GOOD NEWS CORRESPONDS WITH YOU BECOMING ACTING CHIEF.

NO. I'LL TAKE IT.

YEAH. I'M FOR SOME CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THIS DYNAMIC WORKS, WHERE WE'VE HAD THIS INCREASE IN DWIS, BUT NOT AN INCREASE IN IN CRASHES.

IS IT THAT WE'RE SOMEHOW.

AND WHEN I SAY WE, I MEAN, YOU ARE SOMEHOW INTERVENING IN MORE DWI BEFORE THEY BECOME CRASHES.

WHAT'S THE MECHANISM THAT CREATES THE RESULT THAT YOU'VE SHOWN US? YEAH. SO IT WOULD TAKE A DEEP DIVE OF A MASSIVE RESEARCH PROJECT TO FULLY VET THAT OUT.

BUT WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT WE CAN CONTROL, IS GOING OUT, FINDING INTOXICATED DRIVERS AND GETTING THEM OFF THE STREET BEFORE SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROACTIVE STANCE THAT WE'VE TAKEN, IS RECOGNIZING THAT EVERY INTOXICATED DRIVER IS A POTENTIAL TRAGIC SITUATION.

SO IF WE CAN GET THEM OFF THE STREET BEFORE THAT TRAGEDY OCCURS, UNFORTUNATELY WE'LL NEVER KNOW WHAT WE PREVENTED BY DOING THAT.

BUT ARE WE ARE YOU SOMEHOW AGGRESSIVELY FINDING WAYS TO FIND MORE DWI DWIS, YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY BEFORE THEY BECOME SOMETHING BAD.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHY? TO WHAT DO YOU ATTRIBUTE THE RISING NUMBER OF DWI ARRESTS, INCREASED PROACTIVITY? YEAH. IT'S JUST STATISTICS.

THE MORE, THE MORE TRAFFIC STOPS THAT A NIGHT SHIFT OFFICER IS MAKING, THE MORE LIKELY THEY ARE TO COME IN CONTACT WITH AN INTOXICATED DRIVER.

YEAH, WELL, THAT'S PROBABLY SAVING LIVES.

SO THAT'S. THAT'S GREAT.

AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO ASK YOU AS WE'RE, AS YOU ARE RAMPING UP THE SORT OF THE MENTAL HEALTH CAPACITY OF THE FORCE HOW URGENTLY DO YOU NEED THERE TO BE MORE MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES TO BRING PEOPLE TO BEDS? PRACTITIONERS. YOU KNOW, LIKE IS IS THERE A KIND OF A CORRESPONDING NEED AS YOU'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO INTERVENE AND INTERVENE APPROPRIATELY? IS THERE A CORRESPONDING NEED FOR SOMEPLACE TO TAKE PEOPLE? YES. IS IS THE EASIEST ANSWER.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

THAT IS PROBABLY THE WEAKEST LINK IN THE PROCESS SET UP IS THAT WE CAN TRAIN EVERY SINGLE PERSON TO BE GREAT AT WORKING WITH INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING VARIOUS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND CONCERNS.

BUT WE'RE NOT THE LONG TERM SOLUTION, RIGHT? IT'S THE QUICK RESPONSE.

AND THEN WE NEED TO HAVE THE RESOURCES TO PASS THOSE INDIVIDUALS OFF TO CONTINUING CARE.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER.

BYRD. MY QUESTION IS, IS IN REGARDS TO CRASHES AND NOT ALL CRASHES INVOLVE DWI.

WE JUST RECEIVED A REPORT JUST SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE UNIVERSITY DRIVE AND THE NUMBER OF VEHICLE COLLISIONS ON THAT ROADWAY.

IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT I SAW A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SET UP OVER ON ON UNIVERSITY DRIVE, YOU KNOW, ON ONE OF THOSE LONG STRETCHES HEADED TOWARDS A LIGHT.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF HELPED ME KIND OF SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

I WAS LIKE, OH, HE KNOWS ME.

BUT CAN YOU EQUATE THE LOW NUMBER OF CRASHES TO TO OUR HIGHER LAW ENFORCEMENT? YOU KNOW, FOR THAT? I MEAN, IS THAT SPECIFIC TO CRASHES AND NOT NECESSARILY JUST THE DWI PART? SURE. FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT CRASH SLIDE WAS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO DWI RELATED CRASHES.

UNFORTUNATELY, OUR OVERALL CRASH RATE HAS GONE UP 2%.

WE HAD EXACTLY 7000 CRASHES IN 2022, SOMEHOW EXACTLY 7000.

AND THEN IN 23, WE HAD 7136.

I'M WONDERING, CAN WE CONNECT THAT? CAN WE CONNECT SOME OF THOSE CRASHES TO OUR OUR RED LIGHT SITUATION THAT WE HAVE? YOU KNOW, NOW THAT WE'VE TAKEN AWAY THE THE CAMERAS AT THE RED LIGHTS DO YOU ALL DO YOU ALL KIND OF SEE AN UPTICK ON WHERE THOSE CRASHES OCCURRED? DO THEY OCCUR MOSTLY IN INTERSECTIONS OR PEOPLE BACKING OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY? I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATA.

I CAN SAY ANECDOTALLY, AS A FORMER TRAFFIC OFFICER, THE NUMBER ONE CRASH IS SOMEONE RUNNING INTO THE BACK OF SOMEBODY.

AND THE NUMBER TWO CRASH IS SOMEONE TURNING LEFT WHEN IT WASN'T THEIR TURN TO TURN LEFT? THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER FACTORS.

SPEED ISN'T USUALLY IN AND OF ITSELF THE ONLY FACTOR.

SPEED JUST REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF TIME TO REACT TO WHATEVER BAD THING IS HAPPENING IN FRONT OF YOU.

SO WE'D HAVE TO DIG INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO UNDERSTAND THE TRENDS.

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AND THEY'RE TRAVERSING DOWN THESE UNCONVENTIONAL ONE WAY STREETS HERE AND THERE.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN ONGOING SITUATION.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO PRIMARILY FOCUS ON.

PRETTY MUCH AT THE, AT THE STOPLIGHTS, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF RED LIGHT RUNNING PEOPLE OUT THERE.

YES. I'VE BEEN NEARLY CLIPPED A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND I WAS GLAD I WAS JUST THE ONLY ONE IN MY CAR SO NOBODY WOULD HEAR WHAT I WAS ACTUALLY SAYING.

BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST THOSE AREAS WOULD BE MINDFUL AS WELL.

THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING SEEING NONE I WOULD JUST ADVOCATE WELL, ONE, I'LL SAY IT WAS GREAT TO SEE THE A COUPLE OF OFFICERS OUT ON THE BIKE PATROL. YES, YESTERDAY I THINK, AND WHEN UNFORTUNATELY, THEY WERE COMING ACROSS THE INTERSECTION CAR WAS HIT HIM.

I'M NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

RIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S VERY DANGEROUS, BUT WHERE I'M GOING IS I WOULD ASK, AS YOU'RE PREPARING THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, I KNOW WE ADDED THE SIX E-BIKES. I'D LIKE TO TRY TO DO THAT AGAIN.

RIGHT. SO THAT WOULD GIVE IF WE DIVIDE THOSE OUT, THAT'S FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE FOUR.

BUT I MEAN I'D LOVE TO SEE MORE THAN THE TWO TWO, TWO SPLIT.

LIKE I'D LIKE TO SEE A MAJORITY OF THOSE GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

BUT I LEAVE THE HOW, THE HOW, THE HOW ALL THAT WORKS BEHIND THE SCENES TO YOU AND CITY MANAGER, ETC.

BUT I JUST WANT TO CONTINUE TO INCREMENTALLY ADD TO THAT AS WE WE STARTED AND I THANK YOU FOR AND CITY MANAGER, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP BEING RESPONSIVE TO THAT REQUEST INITIALLY AND GETTING THOSE IN THE DOOR AND CHIEF DIXON AS WELL.

BUT SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

BUT I WANT TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THAT AN ANNUAL ADD UNTIL WE'VE KIND OF REPLACED THOSE IN THE ROOM.

SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, THOSE JUST ADDING THAT TO THE BUDGET AS A REQUEST.

SO OKAY.

WELL YEAH.

ALL GOOD. ANYTHING.

ANYTHING ELSE? GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.

THANKS. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

APPRECIATE IT. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM C.

[C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding menstrual products in City facilities. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

REPORT. HOLD DISCUSSION.

GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING.

MENSTRUAL PRODUCTS IN THE CITY.

FACILITIES. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

CHRISTINE TAYLOR, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK SHOUT OUT TO CARLOTTA, WHO WORKS IN OUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

SHE WORKS REALLY HARD TO RESEARCH THIS PROJECT AND PREPARE IT.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, LAST MINUTE WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE.

SO CASSIE AND I ARE GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THIS AND BE HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.

AND THEN CASSIE, FRANK AND I ARE AVAILABLE FOR OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS ON HOW THIS WILL WORK.

SO SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION.

THIS WORK SESSION TODAY IS A RESULT OF A TWO MINUTE PITCH.

ON DECEMBER 12TH, COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE PRESENTED A PITCH REQUESTING THE CITY TO ENACT A POLICY MANDATING THE AVAILABILITY OF MENSTRUAL PRODUCTS IN ALL CITY FACILITY RESTROOMS. TO PROVIDE A LITTLE OVERVIEW ON OUR CURRENT CONDITIONS, WE HAVE ORGANIZATIONAL POLICIES, PROCEDURES, AND ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVES THAT ARE THE GENERAL FRAMEWORK THAT GUIDE OUR OPERATIONS.

EACH OF THEM SERVE DIFFERENT PURPOSES, AND NOT EVERY POLICY MUST HAVE A PROCEDURE, VICE VERSA.

SO POLICIES AND OUR WORLD ARE A HIGH LEVEL STATEMENT THAT OUTLINES OUR ORGANIZATION'S OVERALL STANCE OR INTENT ON A SPECIFIC ISSUE.

CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO POLICY IN PLACE MANDATING THE AVAILABILITY OF MENSTRUAL PRODUCTS IN CITY FACILITY RESTROOMS. A POLICY, IF ENACTED, WOULD REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.

AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE OR DIRECTIVE IS A WRITTEN STATEMENT TO EMPLOYEES ESTABLISHING THOSE RULES AND REGULATIONS CONCERNING THE INTERNAL OPERATIONS.

SO ACCOMPANYING THAT POLICY ON THIS IS HOW STAFF WILL CARRY IT OUT.

CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO WRITTEN PROCEDURE OR DIRECTIVE IN PLACE MANDATING MENSTRUAL PRODUCTS AND CITY FACILITIES.

HOWEVER, OUR CITY MANAGER, SARA HENSLEY, HAS ASKED THAT CITY FACILITIES OPEN TO THE PUBLIC HAVE MENSTRUAL PRODUCTS AVAILABLE WHEN REQUESTED, AND ONE OTHER PIECE ON THAT, ANY TYPE OF ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE OR DIRECTIVE CAN BE ISSUED BY THE CITY MANAGER.

SO CURRENTLY WHAT WE'RE PRACTICING IS WITHIN HER PURVIEW.

SHE HAS REQUESTED THAT WE HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE IN OUR PUBLIC FACILITIES.

A LITTLE ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE 20 FACILITIES WITH PUBLIC ACCESS WITH A TOTAL OF 56 RESTROOMS. OF THOSE 20 FACILITIES, THE 15 THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SLIDE.

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EITHER WE HAVE BASKETS AND IN THE RESTROOMS. WE HAVE PRODUCTS BEHIND THE COUNTER THAT CAN BE REQUESTED IF SOMEONE ASKS.

SO THOSE REMAINING FIVE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM ARE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC FACILITIES WERE AT THIS TIME, NO REQUESTS HAVE BEEN MADE FOR ANY PRODUCTS.

I'M GOING TO TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO CASSIE, WHO'S GOING TO RUN THROUGH THE POTENTIAL OPTIONS AND COST.

SO STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED TWO POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE PRODUCTS AVAILABLE IN THE RESTROOM.

SO I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH THE COSTS AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

OPTION ONE IS JUST PROVIDING A BASKET WITH TWO PRODUCT OPTIONS.

AND SO WITH 56 RESTROOMS, WE'RE, WE ARE ESTIMATING A COST OF $12,596 ANNUALLY.

THE WAY THAT STAFF IS PROPOSING TO STOCK THESE IS TO USE EXISTING CITY CONTRACTS TO STOCK THOSE.

SO WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH AMAZON AND STAPLES.

SO THE BASKETS WOULD BE LESS THAN $100 FOR A ONE TIME COST, AND THEN STAFF WOULD STOCK THE PRODUCTS AS NEEDED FROM EXISTING CITY CONTRACTS.

OPTION TWO IS TO INSTALL FIXTURES TO EACH INDIVIDUAL STALL.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO WE WOULD CONTRACT OUT THE INSTALLATION AND THAT WOULD BE THE ONE TIME COST THAT YOU SEE THERE FOR THE FIXTURES.

AND THEN WE WOULD DO AN RFP FOR RESTOCKING THE PRODUCTS.

SO WE ARE ESTIMATING A TOTAL OF $49,613 WITH THE ONGOING COST TO BE ABOUT 40, $43,350. AND I DID WANT TO NOTE WE DID PREVIOUSLY HAVE FIXTURES IN SOME OF OUR PARK FACILITIES, AND THOSE WERE REMOVED DUE TO VANDALISM.

SO JUST A QUICK SUMMARY.

OPTION ONE INCLUDES THE BASKETS AT ALL 20 FACILITIES OPEN TO PUBLIC ACCESS WITH 56 RESTROOMS. IF COUNCIL IS WANTING OPTION ONE, THEN WE WILL ADD THAT COST THE 12,596 TO THE FY 25 BUDGET AS A SUPPLEMENTAL.

THE COUNCIL WILL SEE LATER THIS SUMMER.

OPTION TWO WOULD BE TO ADD FIXTURES TO ALL 20 FACILITIES WITH PUBLIC ACCESS.

SO 174 INDIVIDUAL STALLS.

AND WE WILL ADD THAT COST.

YOU WILL SEE THAT IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL THAT COMES BACK THIS SUMMER IF COUNCIL GOES WITH THAT DIRECTION.

THE OTHER OPTION IS IT'S NOT NECESSARILY NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH OPTION 1 OR 2, BUT CONTINUE WHAT STAFF'S ALREADY DOING AS FAR AS MAKING PRODUCTS AVAILABLE AS REQUESTED IN THE CURRENT FACILITIES.

AND THEN IF COUNCIL DEPENDING ON COUNCIL'S RECOMMENDATION TODAY, WE WILL BRING BACK A POLICY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ONCE THE WHEN THE SUPPLEMENTAL PACKAGE IS APPROVED IN THE BUDGET.

AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

COUNCILMAN. BYRD. WHEN THE BUDGET THAT'S USED FOR THIS NOW COMPARATIVE TO THE BUDGET THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO FOR ALL 56 FACILITIES, WHAT'S WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE.

SO THE CURRENT BUDGET, WE'VE ABSORBED IT IN OUR OFFICE SUPPLY BUDGET.

SO WE WEREN'T TRACKING IT SEPARATELY.

THIS IS TO TRACK IT SEPARATELY SO WE CAN REPORT BACK OBVIOUSLY TO COUNCIL AND LET YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING.

THIS WAS AD HOC AS REQUESTED.

SO IT WAS REALLY FOLDED INTO OUR EXISTING OFFICE SUPPLY BUDGET, BUT OBVIOUSLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE FUNDING GOING FORWARD IF THIS IS A COUNCIL DIRECTIVE.

I'M FOR OPTION ONE.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OPTIONS? I'M SORRY. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER.

THANK YOU. DO THESE PRODUCTS HAVE A SHELF LIFE? IS THERE A USE BY DATE ON ON THESE KIND OF THINGS? LIKE MILK HAS A BEST.

BEST USED BY DATE.

I'M APPARENTLY. APPARENTLY THAT'S THAT'S A NO.

WHAT WE'VE SEEN ON JUST ORDERING THE BOXES.

I MEAN, IT'S LIKE A SHELF PRODUCT.

IT'S A MULTIPLE YEAR PRODUCT.

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SO IF PRODUCTS WEREN'T USED IN, IN BUDGET YEAR 24, THEY COULD BE THEY COULD BE PUSHED INTO BUDGET YEAR 25 FOR CORRECT.

THE ESTIMATES ARE BASED OFF OF, YOU KNOW, USING ALL THE PRODUCTS THAT THEY ORDER THEM AND THEN REORDERING.

SO IT WOULD BE BASED ON USE.

BUT WE WERE ESTIMATING AN APPROXIMATE USE.

BUT OF COURSE IF PRODUCTS ARE UNUSED THEY COULD CARRY OVER FISCAL YEAR.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO ORDER AS MUCH.

THESE ARE JUST PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES BASED ON WHAT MINIMAL INFORMATION WE HAVE.

OKAY, OKAY.

I'M. I REALLY THINK WE'VE CHASED THIS A LOT.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT REALLY FLOATS MY BOAT, BUT.

BUT TO MAKE IT GO AWAY, I'M GOING TO TAKE OPTION ONE.

MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU.

I THINK WHEN WE SEE IT, I IT WAS 15 OF 20 FACILITIES AND A COUPLE OF THOSE FACILITIES ARE RECENTLY COME ONLINE.

SO WE MIGHT NOT HAVE BUT VERY MINIMAL STATISTICS OUT OF THOSE FACILITIES THERE NOT AS MUCH HIGH USAGE.

CORRECT. LIKE THE AIRPORT TERMINALS NOT GOING TO HAVE AS MUCH USAGE AS A LIBRARY.

SO THESE ARE JUST THE 15 THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ARE WHERE STAFF HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO PROVIDE THE PRODUCTS.

AND THEN WE HAVE IN SOME FORM OR FASHION AND THEN THE ONES ONLINE.

YOU'RE RIGHT. EITHER HAVE SEASONAL ACTIVITY OR LIMITED PUBLIC ACTIVITY.

SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY THERE JUST HAS NOT BEEN A REQUEST.

I THINK WHEN WE SEE STATISTICS LIKE, YOU KNOW, 15 OF OUR 20 BUILDINGS, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE ASKING FOR PAPER TOWELS OR SOAP OR TOILET PAPER.

THIS IS JUST A HYGIENE PRODUCT THAT THAT FOLKS NEED.

SO I'M GOING TO BE ENCOURAGING OPTION ONE.

ANYONE ELSE.

COUNCILWOMAN. TO ME, THE THE MAIN POINT IS THAT YOU'RE FORTUNATE WE WERE WE HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE A CITY MANAGER WHO RECOGNIZED THE NEED AND ACTED ON IT, BUT THE NEED DOESN'T VARY BASED ON WHO'S CITY MANAGER.

SO I THINK THE IDEA OF IT BEING A WRITTEN POLICY, IT HAS.

MAYOR PRO TEM POINTED OUT 15 OUT OF 20 THREE QUARTERS OF THEM THERE HAVE BEEN REQUESTS.

SO HAVING IT BE A WRITTEN POLICY THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE DO, THAT'S THE MAIN THING.

SINCE THREE HAVE ALREADY LINED UP BEHIND THE BASKETS VERSUS CURRENT PRACTICE.

I'M HAPPY TO BE THE FOURTH FOR THAT.

ANYONE ELSE? YEAH.

COUNCILMAN. WATSON, WHAT ARE WE DOING? I MEAN, SO WE'RE.

HOW MANY HOURS HAVE WE SPENT ON THIS? IT SAYS TEN, BUT I KNOW Y'ALL SPENT MORE THAN TEN HOURS.

CARLOTTA SPECIFICALLY SPENT TEN.

BUT WE THERE HAD BEEN PRIOR WORK ON SOME OF THE OTHER TIMES COME BEFORE.

SO WE'RE ESTIMATE AROUND 40.

AND SO THAT'S THE MAIN REASON I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR PROPOSAL IS TO MAKE THIS AN ORDINANCE SO THAT IT CAN'T BE CHANGED.

IS THAT RIGHT? COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

OKAY? HE'S NOT GOING TO ANSWER.

HE'S NOT GOING TO ENGAGE.

ANYTHING CAN BE CHANGED.

HAPPY TO ENGAGE. I'LL WAIT TILL I SPEAK AFTER YOU.

ORDINANCE ORDINANCES CAN BE CHANGED.

THANK YOU. SO THIS GOES INTO BOTH WOMEN'S AND MEN'S RESTROOM.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

WE'D BE PUTTING THEM IN ALL RESTROOMS. YES. MEN AND WOMEN'S.

OKAY. AND SO, MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU SAID THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN TOILET PAPER.

PAPER TOWELS.

DO WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SPECIFIES US STOCKING THOSE ITEMS? IS THERE AN ORDINANCE ON THAT? NO. WE HAVE WE BRING FORTH JANITORIAL CONTRACTS THAT TALKS ABOUT THE TYPE OF PRODUCTS WE STOCK THROUGH OUR SERVICE CONTRACTS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

I'M FOR ADOPTION THREE, WHICH IS JUST KEEP IT IF Y'ALL WANT TO ADD THEM TO ALL THE RESTROOMS, I GUESS YOU'RE ADDING THEM TO TO THE LABELED WOMEN'S RESTROOMS. NOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD THEM TO THE LABELED MEN'S RESTROOMS. OKAY. BUT I THINK THE CITY ADMINISTRATION IS CAPABLE OF HANDLING THAT.

TO SAY THAT WE WANT TO PREVENT THIS FROM CHANGING BY PASSING AN ORDINANCE.

COME ON, THAT MAKES NO SENSE.

BUT THOSE ARE MY OPINIONS.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN MCGEE. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY ON STAFF WHO WORKED ON THIS.

I AM, I AM THIS IS OBVIOUSLY MY ORIGINAL PITCH.

I AM FOR OPTION ONE.

I'M THANKFUL THAT TODAY WE CAN WORK TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR POPULATION.

SO THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.

OKAY. I, I'M FOR OPTION THREE.

JUST. BUT HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS TO TO COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS POINT.

WELL, FIRST I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING FOR THOSE TRACKING LONG.

THIS IS NOT A POLICY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.

THAT'S THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEY ARE AVAILABLE CURRENTLY.

CORRECT. SO THIS IS A POLICY TO PUT THEM IN BASKETS.

SO THAT PEOPLE CAN PUBLICLY GRAB A HANDFUL OF THEM AND WALK OUT.

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THIS IS TO CREATE. WE'RE.

TODAY WE'RE DISCUSSING WHAT THE COST TO BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE BUDGET.

IF THAT PASSES, THEN ENACTING A POLICY TO MANDATE THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE IN PUBLIC CITY FACILITY, PUBLIC RESTROOMS. RIGHT. AND SO IF I USE NORWICH BRANCH NORTH BRANCH LIBRARY AS AN EXAMPLE, THE RESTROOMS ARE IN THE FOYER, BASICALLY. SO SOMEONE COULD JUST WALK IN, WALK TO THE RESTROOM, GRAB HIS, GRAB WHATEVER THEY WANT AND PUT THEM IN A BOX, A BAG OR WHATEVER AND WALK OUT.

CORRECT. AND THEN THE TAXPAYERS ARE DENTON WOULD REFILL THAT EVERY TIME.

YES, WE'D BE MONITORING THE USAGE AND RESTOCKING AS NEEDED, BUT YES, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE MONITORED.

YOU KNOW, THEY ARE IN AN OPEN AREA WHERE SOMEONE CAN TAKE THEM.

WE'RE NOT MONITORING WHO RECEIVES THEM.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME.

IT BECAUSE WHEN THEY'RE LOCKED AWAY, THERE WAS AN ISSUE, RIGHT? WHEN THEY WERE LOCKED AWAY IN A BOX.

THOSE WERE VANDALIZED WHEN WE HAD DISPENSERS.

WE HAD HAD DISPENSERS AT LIKE THE NATATORIUM THAT HAD HIGH PUBLIC USAGE IN THE PAST, WHERE YOU CAN PAY TO PURCHASE A MENSTRUAL PRODUCT.

THOSE DISPENSERS WERE VANDALIZED, AND THE CITY DID DECIDE TO REMOVE THOSE DUE TO VANDALISM.

RIGHT. SO AND JUST TO RECAP, SO WHEN THEY WERE AVAILABLE, LOCKED AWAY, VANDALIZED TO THE POINT THAT WE SAID WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO DO THIS NOW. WE'RE GOING TO PUT THEM IN A BASKET SO YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO VANDALIZE.

YOU CAN JUST TAKE THE WHOLE THING.

YES, SIR. GOT IT.

AND THEN THE OTHER PROBLEM IS FOR ME, I RAISED MY DAUGHTERS RIGHT.

AND SO UNDERSTANDING THE.

AND I THANK YOU LEGAL FOR YOUR FOR YOUR ANALYSIS ON THIS.

BUT I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM AND I DON'T KNOW HOW I COULD WITH A STRAIGHT FACE SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE IS AGAIN, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

BUT WHAT MY CONCERN IS AND MAYBE NOT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND TOXIC SHOCK SYNDROME IS FROM THE COTTON FIBERS IN TAMPON PRODUCTS THAT YOU INSERT IN YOUR BODY, AND YOUR BODY HAS A REACTION.

SO YOU'LL HAVE YOUNG KIDS THAT THEIR PARENTS MAY ADVISE THEM, DON'T DO IT, BUT THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, IT'S HERE, I'M GOING TO DO THIS.

I'M GOING TO TRY IT. MOM HAS RULES.

DAD HAS RULES AT HOME THAT NOW YOU'RE WAY FROM I'M GOING TO TRY IT AND THEY GET ILL.

THERE'S NO WARNING SIGNS, THERE'S NO NOTHING.

AND I TAKE LEGAL ADVICE, ANALYSIS THAT THE CITY IS NOT LIABLE FOR THAT.

BUT THAT IS AN ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC, HORRIFIC SITUATION THAT NOW IS MADE AVAILABLE BY THIS DENTON CITY COUNCIL VERSUS SOMEONE BEING HESITANT TO GO UP TO THE FRONT AND ASK. AND SO THERE'S AND I JUST SO IT'S AVAILABLE NOW.

IT'S BEING DONE NOW PUTTING IT IN MEN'S RESTROOM ALL THE THINGS.

BUT FOR ME IT'S JUST IF SOME WHAT, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING HAS WORKED BECAUSE YOU SAID THERE'S ONE REQUEST FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER, RIGHT.

IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT THE ANSWER.

RIGHT. DID I GOT MAYOR? THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE IS PREVIOUSLY IT'S BEEN YEARS.

GOSH. IT WAS REQUESTED BY FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER TO HAVE SOME PRODUCTS IN THE COUNCIL RESTROOM, SO I, I DID THAT BECAUSE IT WAS A GOOD REQUEST. AND SO WE'VE HAD ZERO PUBLIC REQUESTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.

NOW, I KNOW YOU SAID THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS, YOU'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO TRACK THAT.

I GET IT, I READ THE ANSWER.

BUT EMAILS KNOWING THIS IS COMING, KNOWING YOU KNOW THOSE THAT ARE SUPPORTIVE HEY REACH OUT EMAIL IN.

WE'VE HAD ZERO SUPPORT OR REQUEST FROM PUBLIC TO SPEND THIS $13,000.

IS THAT IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? CORRECT. THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE HAS NOT RECEIVED REQUESTS FROM THE PUBLIC PRIOR TO THE TWO MINUTE PITCH, BUT WE'VE RECEIVED REQUESTS AT THESE LOCATIONS THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT COMING UP AND ASK, AND WE WERE ABLE TO FACILITATE THOSE.

YES. ANY, ANY FACILITY LOCATED HIGHLIGHTED ON THE RIGHT.

IF SOMEONE HAS ASKED, YOU KNOW, I NEED THIS STAFF WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE IT, WHETHER WE HAD IT THROUGH THE COUNTER, BEHIND THE COUNTER OR IN A BASKET OR IN A A MEDICAL KIT.

OKAY. SO, SO SO THAT THAT THAT THAT INFORMS MY DECISION.

WE'VE HAD AGAIN, IT'LL COME BACK FOR BUDGET AND I'M HOPING TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT.

DON'T WANT US TO SPEND $13,000 ON SOMETHING THAT BECAUSE YOUR NUMBER, I BELIEVE.

HERE'S MY CONCERN. I THINK YOUR NUMBER IS LOW, BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GRAB THIS BASKET AND WALK OUT AND SELL THEM OR DO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO. RIGHT. OR I JUST, I JUST AND SO TO HAVE THE CITY TAXPAYERS PAYING FOR SOMETHING THAT I JUST HAVE REAL CONCERNS THE NUMBER THE COST THERE'S I'VE NOT HEARD FROM ANYBODY THAT NEEDS IT AND A MYRIAD OF DIFFERENT REASONS.

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THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER TO HAVE PRODUCTS AVAILABLE.

THIS IS A DISCUSSION TO MAKE THEM WHERE THEY'RE OUT FRONT, WHERE THEY'RE UNREGULATED.

THAT'S REALLY THE DISCUSSION.

THEY'RE ALREADY AVAILABLE. PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY ACCESSED THEM.

THIS IS SIMPLY NOT TO SAY IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE NOT TO PROVIDE A SERVICE, IT IS SIMPLY TO SAY, PUT THEM IN A BASKET SO THE PUBLIC CAN GRAB THEM, UNBEKNOWNST TO ANYONE ELSE.

SO BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ONE FACILITY, PUT THOSE IF YOU CAN PUT THOSE FACILITIES BACK UP.

SO ANIMAL SHELTER RESTROOM IS IN THE FRONT LOBBY.

NORTH BRANCH LIBRARY I ALREADY TOUCHED ON THAT.

CITY HALL. RESTROOMS ARE WAY IN THE CORNER BACK OVER THERE.

CITY HALL EAST.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE RESTROOMS ARE THERE.

DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

EMILY FOWLER. YEAH, ALL THESE AMERICAN LEGION IS DOWN THE HALL.

CIVIC CENTER. IT'S DOWNSTAIRS AND AROUND THE CORNER.

RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE'S NOT ONE OF THESE RESTROOMS THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE COUNTER THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL MONITORING THE NATATORIUM IS DOWN THE HALL.

YEAH. NO. THIS IS.

GOT IT. OKAY.

JUST ONE. ONE QUESTION.

COUNCIL. WHAT'S. SO MAYBE I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE CURRENT PROCESS.

SO THE PRODUCTS ARE KEPT AT SOME COUNTER OR SOMETHING.

AND IF SOMEBODY ASKS OR WHAT'S THE CURRENT PROCESS? WE HAVE A VARIETY OF WAYS CURRENTLY THAT THEY'RE BEING DISTRIBUTED AT NORTH BRANCH LIBRARY.

THEY'RE IN A THEY'RE IN LIKE A BASKET IN THE RESTROOM AT SOME OF OUR REC CENTERS.

THEY'RE JUST BEHIND THE COUNTER AND THOSE MEDICAL KITS, SO THEY'RE JUST BEHIND THE COUNTER AND SOMEONE CAN REQUEST THEM.

SO A CITY MANAGER'S DIRECTIVE OR REQUEST TO CITY STAFF WAS THAT WE HAVE THEM AVAILABLE IF SOMEONE NEEDS THEM.

SO THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY IN ALL RESTROOMS RIGHT NOW OR WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO ASK FOR THEM.

RIGHT. SO TECHNICALLY YOU COULD I MEAN.

THEY'RE NOT ALL AVAILABLE IN THESE 15 THAT YOU'VE LISTED CURRENTLY.

CORRECT. OR THAT THEY ARE.

THEY'RE AVAILABLE, BUT IN A VARIETY OF WAYS.

THEY'RE NOT ALL OUT IN THE OPEN WHERE ANYONE CAN GET THEM.

RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE NOT COMPLETELY ACCESSIBLE.

THEY'RE AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST.

OKAY. BUT THEY ARE.

SO. YEAH, YEAH.

AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, FOR AN EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE A SIGN IN THE RESTROOM THAT SAYS THEY'RE AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST.

SO EACH FACILITY IS HANDLED IT DIFFERENTLY.

BUT WE DO LET THE GENERAL PUBLIC KNOW THEY'RE AVAILABLE IF YOU NEED THEM.

WELL OKAY.

SO I GUESS THEN IF THIS POLICY IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, THERE SHOULD BE SOME STANDARDIZED.

SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A BASKET SITTING IN THE RESTROOM.

IT COULD BE EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

HEY THESE PRODUCTS ARE AVAILABLE.

SEE SO AND SO OR I MEAN SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT THEY'RE RIGHT THERE.

BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PITCH WAS THAT THEY JUST BECOME MADE AVAILABLE.

IS THAT RIGHT? THE PITCH WAS TO MAKE A POLICY THAT THEY BECOME AVAILABLE.

YES. OKAY. SO AVAILABILITY MEANS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO AS FAR AS THE MAYOR'S POINT GOES, THERE IS A REMEDY TO MITIGATE THAT BY MAKING THEM AVAILABLE.

IF SOMEBODY SEES A SIGN THEN YOU CAN YOU CAN GO ASK UNLESS THE POLICY IS YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE TO ASK.

SO I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION THAT HAS TO BE ANSWERED.

BUT OKAY, I JUST I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE POLICY YOU'RE SAYING.

IT'S ALL ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH THE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.

SOME HAVE THEM IN THERE, SOME YOU HAVE TO ASK AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCILMAN. BYRD. THIS STATEMENT IS FOR ALL THE MEN.

DON'T MANSPLAIN WOMEN'S STUFF TO WOMEN.

IT'S VERY CRINGEWORTHY.

I I'M STILL TALKING MY TIME.

AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE HERE.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF ISSUES HERE ABOUT THE THESE THINGS BEING LOCATED IN THE MEN'S RESTROOMS, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT A BUNCH OF LITTLE BOYS GOING IN THERE AND MESSING AROUND AND DOING STUFF.

BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL OF THESE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS IN ALL OF THE CITY FACILITIES.

I SAW THAT THERE WERE A FEW, THAT THERE WASN'T ANYTHING BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A HIGH NUMBER.

OF COURSE, WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT TEXAS WOMAN'S UNIVERSITY.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOME MORE AIRPORT STUFF, YOU KNOW, SO THERE WILL BE A HIGHER NUMBER OF FEMALES THERE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE, I THINK WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT.

AND MINUS THE FACT THAT THESE WOULD BE JUST OPEN AIR STUFF IN MEN'S RESTROOMS IT'S PARTICULARLY IN THE, IN THE RECREATION CENTERS FACILITIES. I DON'T KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE AN ADULT, YOU DO, YOU KNOW, YOU DO ADULT THINGS.

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SO I CAN'T IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF MEN MESSING AROUND WITH THESE PRODUCTS, BUT THEY MAY HAVE DAUGHTERS.

THERE ARE A LOT OF GAY GIRL DADS OUT THERE THAT NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR DAUGHTERS IN CERTAIN SPECIFIC INSTANCES, AND WOMEN ARE NOT AROUND ALL THE TIME.

SO THAT MAY BE ONE REASON TO HAVE THEM THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LOCATED THERE.

BUT I WILL I WILL YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THEY'RE LOCATED IN ALL OF THE FACILITIES AS NEEDED.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO, AND THIS IS I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR THE REASON WE'RE WE HAVE TO BE FAIR.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THEM IN THE WOMEN'S, YOU HAVE TO PUT THEM IN THE MEN'S.

AND THE REASON YOU HAVE TO IS IF SOMEBODY IS GOING THROUGH TRANSITION AND THEY NEED A PRODUCT AND THEY ARE IDENTIFYING AS A MALE, BUT THEY ARE STILL GOING THROUGH TRANSITION. AND SO WE NEED TO BE FAIR ABOUT HOW WE HANDLE THIS.

NOW, THE ISSUE OF, OF TAKING THEM AND FLUSHING THEM DOWN THE TOILET, STOPPING UP THE TOILETS, ALL THE OTHER STUFF, THE THAT HAPPEN WILL HAPPEN, BUT WE CAN DO AND THAT'S CERTAINLY THE PRIVILEGE OF IS DUE TO THE SIGNAGE THAT SAYS THESE PRODUCTS ARE AVAILABLE AT NO COST SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GET THEM, WHETHER THEY'RE IN THE MEN'S OR THE WOMEN'S RESTROOM. IT'S REALLY A DECISION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A HEAVY LOSS OR THAT WE CAN KIND OF KEEP COUNT OF IT FROM AN INVENTORY PERSPECTIVE SO WE KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE SPENDING ON IT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEING USED OR IT'S BEING TAKEN.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT IS ALWAYS SOMETHING YOU WORRY ABOUT.

I DON'T LIKE TO THINK THAT SOMEBODY WOULD TAKE THEM AND TAKE THEM HOME, BUT I'M SURE THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN.

SO THOSE ARE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.

BUT BUT WE'LL FOCUS ON ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH HAS BEEN THE MAJORITY, AND WE CAN LOOK AT SIGNAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO THAT WE CAN CONTAIN, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THAT AND HOW IT'S HANDLED. BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT A SIGN IN THE MEN'S AS WELL BECAUSE OF THAT OF, OF PEOPLE THAT MIGHT NEED THEM.

AND THEN WE'LL ALSO COME BACK THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS IF IT IS A PRIORITY THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS OF THE 12,000, WHATEVER, THEN IT WILL COME ONCE IT'S APPROVED, WILL COME BACK WITH A POLICY.

SO AND AND SO.

WE'RE ROUND TWO. BUT MY QUESTION IS WHAT ELSE IN THE RESTROOM DO WE HAVE A POLICY FOR? NO. NO OTHER ITEMS. RIGHT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER. HOLLAND. THANK YOU.

I'LL BE HONEST.

I'M AN OLD GUY. IT HAD NEVER OCCURRED TO ME THAT THESE PRODUCTS WOULD BE FEATURED IN MEN'S RESTROOMS. THAT JUST HADN'T OCCURRED TO ME.

I LIKE THE CITY MANAGER'S IDEA, I THINK.

I THINK A SIGN IN BOTH.

IN BOTH RESTROOMS, IF THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, INDICATING THAT PRODUCTS ARE AVAILABLE BEHIND THE COUNTER WITH THE WITH THE STAFF.

I THINK THAT'S A I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR MCGEE. ONCE AGAIN.

CASSIE AND CHRISTINE SARA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. YES.

AND, CARLOTTA, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? GREAT. THANK YOU.

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM D ID 24519, RECEIVE, REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING

[D. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding appointments to vacancies on City of Denton boards and commissions. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 1 hour]]

OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL. CHRISTIE FOGLE, CHIEF OF STAFF.

AS A REMINDER, THIS ISSUE WAS BROUGHT AS A TWO MINUTE PITCH ON NOVEMBER 7TH AND REQUESTED A DEADLINE FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO MAKE THEIR NOMINATIONS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

AND IF NOMINATIONS ARE NOT MADE BY THE DEADLINE, ANY COUNCIL MEMBER COULD SUBMIT A SUBSTITUTE NOMINATION AT THE JANUARY 9TH WORK SESSION.

COUNCIL PROVIDED DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A 90 DAY DEADLINE, AND WHILE SEVERAL OTHER CONSIDERATIONS WERE DISCUSSED, THERE WAS NOT CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH LEGAL AND WORKING ON WHAT AN ORDINANCE WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND WE'RE REQUESTING ADDITIONAL DIRECTION ON THE COMPONENTS OF THE POTENTIAL ORDINANCE.

SO THIS PRESENTATION WILL JUST BE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS, INCLUDING COUNCIL CONSIDERATION AND DIRECTION ON HOLDOVERS, VACANCIES DUE TO AN EMPTY COUNCIL SEAT, THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS, TIME FOR NOMINEES TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION AND VETTING, MULTIPLE NOMINATIONS, UNSUCCESSFUL NOMINATIONS, MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SUBSTITUTE NOMINATIONS, AND WHAT THE EFFECTIVE DATE WOULD LOOK LIKE.

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR COUNCIL TO PROVIDE CONSENSUS.

WE'RE LOOKING TO PROVIDE CONSENSUS ON EACH OF THESE ITEMS, AS WELL AS CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DRAFTING THE ORDINANCE.

SO BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THE QUESTIONS THIS IS HOW THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE CURRENTLY MANAGES BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS VACANCY.

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ONCE NOMINATED, ONCE A NOMINATION IS RECEIVED, IT'S PLACED ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION.

SO BEFORE WE START GOING THROUGH THESE QUESTIONS, I'LL ASK THAT WE JUST GO SLIDE BY SLIDE.

AND HAVE COUNCIL DISCUSS AND PROVIDE DIRECTION AND CONSENSUS ON EACH SLIDE.

SO AND BEFORE WE DO THAT, CAN YOU REMIND ME.

YES. THE.

WHEN WE STARTED DOWN THIS ROAD.

HOW MANY, HOW MANY HOLDOVERS THAT WE HAVE? YES. SO AT THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY 2023, THERE WERE 15 UNOCCUPIED SEATS AND 40 HOLDOVERS.

AND THEN CURRENTLY THERE ARE, I'M SORRY, 15 AND 15 AND 4015 UNOCCUPIED.

SO BASICALLY LEGALS PROVIDED GUIDANCE THAT A VACANCY VACANCY IS THE UMBRELLA TERM AND THEN UNOCCUPIED IS AN OPEN SEAT THAT DOES NOT HAVE SOMEONE SITTING IN IT.

AND A HOLDOVER AS SOMEONE WHO'S SITTING IN THAT SEAT UNTIL SOMEONE ELSE IS APPOINTED.

SO VACANCIES KIND OF THE UMBRELLA TERM THERE.

SO THERE WERE 15 UNOCCUPIED AND 40 HOLDOVERS AT THE BEGINNING OF 2023.

THIS WEEK WE PULLED THOSE NUMBERS AND THERE ARE ONLY 11 UNOCCUPIED AND SEVEN MEMBERS IN HOLDOVER.

OKAY. SO JUST TO HAVE A CONVERSATION FIRST, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD BE ON BEFORE WE GO THROUGH ALL THESE DIFFERENT CONDITIONS OR ALL THESE DIFFERENT. DIRECTIONS.

THIS IS OUR SECOND WORK SESSION ON THIS TOPIC.

MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S COMFORTABLE OR IS THERE A MAJORITY THAT'S COMFORTABLE WITH THE THE CHANGE NOW? AND WE DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF THE.

123456789 DISCUSSION POINTS.

SO ARE THERE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMFORTABLE THAT HEY, THIS IS HAD THE DESIRED EFFECT.

PEOPLE AND STAFF ARE WORKING TO GET THESE FILLED.

WE CAN SAVE THE TIME AND ENERGY TO CRAFT SOMETHING.

SO IS THERE ANYONE ON BOARD FOR THAT? COUNCILOR HOLLAND. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A REMINDER SENT TO THE MEMBER COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY WITH WHEN THERE'S 30 DAYS LEFT IN THAT 90 DAY CLOCK.

OKAY. ANY.

WHAT'S THAT? ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. YES.

COUNCILMAN I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY YOUR YOUR QUESTION.

AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND'S ANSWER.

SO ARE YOU SAYING KEEP THE STATUS QUO AS IT IS? IS THAT WAS THAT YOUR. YES.

YEAH. STATUS QUO AS IS UNDERSTANDING THE NUMBERS HAVE DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY AND UNDERSTANDING THERE IS JUST LOOKING.

JUST DO THE MATH. THERE'S 11 ITEMS. THERE WAS ONLY FOUR PEOPLE THAT SUPPORTED THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SO ALL FOUR OF YOU HAVE GOT TO BE ON THE SAME MIND, OF THE SAME MIND TO RESOLVE ALL THESE ISSUES OR IT DOESN'T GO FORWARD.

SO IT'S THE LIKELINESS OF OF.

EVERYONE SEEING THE WORLD THE SAME.

IS, IS, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN EITHER ARRIVE AT THAT CONCLUSION AN HOUR NOW OR AN HOUR FROM LATER, OR WE HAVE WE HAVE DIRECTION LATER.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE POINT.

OKAY. AND MY ONLY, THE ONLY REASON I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND'S ANSWER WAS HE'S.

OKAY, SOMETHING ABOUT A 90 DAY SHOT CLOCK, BUT THAT'S IN THE THAT'S IN THE PROPOSED REVISIONS.

THAT'S NOT THE STATUS QUO.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I ASK, BECAUSE YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A REMINDER WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE 90 DAY SHOT CLOCK.

SO BUT I THINK STAFF'S DOING THOSE SOME OF THOSE THINGS NOW, LIKE THEY'RE DOING THOSE THINGS NOW.

LIKE THEY. RIGHT. YES.

CURRENTLY THERE IS NOT A 90 DAY DEADLINE FOR YOU TO MAKE YOUR APPOINTMENTS.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING WITH THIS ORDINANCE.

BUT YES, WHENEVER YOU HAVE A VACANCY, YOU'RE EMAILED BY THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THAT VACANCY.

AND THEY HAVE BEEN SENDING FOLLOW UP REMINDER EMAILS.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD FORMALIZE.

AND IN ANOTHER PROCESS.

YEAH. OKAY. SO OKAY, SO AND I'M OF THE OPINION THAT WE COULD I MEAN THE NUMBERS DROPPED FROM 40 TO 7.

SO. I'D RATHER NOT USE THE HOUR TO TO ADDRESS SEVEN VOLUNTEER POSITIONS, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE I'M IN THE MINORITY, SO WE WILL.

YOU CAN GO THROUGH THEM. WE'LL SEE.

OKAY. SO JUST TO KIND OF RECAP THE DEFINITIONS, THAT VACANCY

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AND THEN THERE ARE UNOCCUPIED POSITIONS WHERE THE POSITION IS VACANT AND THE PRIOR APPOINTEE IS NO LONGER ABLE TO SERVE OR ATTEND MEETINGS AND THEN HOLDOVERS IS THE POSITION IS VACANT, BUT THE PRIOR APPOINTEE CONTINUES TO SERVE AFTER THE TERM HAS CONCLUDED UNTIL THE POSITION IS FILLED BY A NEW APPOINTMENT.

SO TURNING THAT BACK OVER TO COUNCIL, WOULD YOU LIKE HOLDOVERS SUBJECT TO THE 90 DAY SUBSTITUTE NOMINATION? AND WE'LL JUST GO AROUND. I MEAN, IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE.

MAYOR PRO TEM, WHICH ONE? I THINK ALL VACANCIES SHOULD BE SO.

BOTH. THAT'S.

SO THAT'S HOLDOVERS? YES.

LET ME GET MY HEAD AROUND THIS.

THE THIRD BULLET IS OUR HOLDOVER, SUBJECT TO 90 DAY SUBSTITUTION.

AND I'M SAYING MY DIRECTION IS.

YES. THIRD.

GOT IT. COUNCILMAN.

I LIKE THE 90 DAY SHOT CLOCK INTERPRETATION.

BUT WITH A 30 DAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN A 30 DAY WARNING AT THE END OF THAT 90 DAYS.

BUT THIS QUESTION IS REGARDING HOLDOVERS.

DO YOU DEFINE HOLDOVERS AS OCCUPIED? RIGHT. IS THAT YOU REPHRASE THE QUESTION.

YES. SO HOLDOVER IS THAT THERE'S SOMEONE SITTING IN THE SEAT UNTIL SOMEONE ELSE IS APPOINTED.

SO WE'RE ASKING FOR IF SOMEBODY IS SOMEONE ON A BOARD AND COMMISSION SEAT HAS I BEG YOUR PARDON.

YES. THEN I WOULD THEN I WOULD SAY THAT THE THE HOLDOVER IS, IS THE SEAT IS FILLED UNTIL AND GIVEN THE OPTION BY THE COUNCIL MEMBER TO TO CHANGE THAT MEMBER.

WHICH ONE IS THAT? YES.

WHICH? WHICH ONE OF THOSE BULLETS, I GUESS I'M.

NO. YEAH.

YEAH, RIGHT. RIGHT.

I THINK THE PRIOR DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL WAS CLEAR THAT UNOCCUPIED IS WHAT EVERYONE WANTED, SUBJECT TO THE 90 DAYS.

THE QUESTION THAT WAS UNRESOLVED AT THE PRIOR MEETING WAS WHETHER A HOLDOVER WHICH IS A VACANCY, BUT SOMEONE STILL SITTING IN THAT SEAT, STILL GOING TO THE MEETING, STILL SHOWING UP, CONTINUING TO SERVE, WHETHER THOSE SHOULD ALSO BE SUBJECT TO THE 90 DAY NOMINATION PROCESS.

SO IF THEY HOLD OVER FOR 90 DAYS, SHOULD ANOTHER COUNCIL BE ABLE COUNCIL MEMBER BE ABLE TO NOMINATE SOMEONE TO FILL THAT SPOT? APPRECIATE IT. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THEY'RE STILL ON THE ON THE BORDER COMMISSION.

THAT'S THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT.

YES. SO SO THEN BUT LET ME MAKE SURE I TRACK WITH YOU.

IF I HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S HOLDING OVER AND SOMEONE THEN APPOINTS SOMEONE TO THAT SEAT, LET'S SAY THEY GO PAST 90 DAYS, ALL OF A SUDDEN MY PERSON JUST GETS NOTICED THAT, HEY, YOU'RE OUT OF HERE. THIS OTHER PERSON'S IN THERE.

THAT'S THE QUESTION.

DO YOU WANT IT TO APPLY TO THAT HOLDOVER SITUATION LIKE THAT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THAT'S THE POSITION, RIGHT? IF A HOLDOVER IS SUBJECT TO BE REMOVED, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IF I, IF I SUBMIT SOMEBODY WHO'S EVER LIKE USING COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLING BECAUSE HE'S, HE HAS THE FLOOR. COUNCIL MEMBER HARLAN'S APPOINTEE IS REMOVED IN 90 DAYS AND MY APPOINTEE REPLACES HIM AFTER 90 DAYS.

YOU COULD MAKE A NOMINATION TO FILL THAT SPOT.

AND IF COUNCIL APPROVES THAT NOMINATION, THEN HIS APPOINTEE IS NOW NO LONGER SERVING.

THAT SPOT IS NOW FILLED BY YOUR NOMINATED PERSON THAT THAT WAS THEN APPOINTED BY COUNCIL.

SO THE HOLDOVER STATUS AND I'M SORRY, I'M JUST GETTING MY HEAD AROUND THIS.

THE HOLDOVER STATUS IS SUBJECT TO COUNCIL APPROVAL.

SO THERE'S NOT A FIRM 90 DAY YOU'RE DONE.

IT'S A 90 DAY.

AND YOU COULD BE DONE EXACTLY RIGHT.

YEAH. THEY HOLD OVER UNTIL SOMEONE NOMINATES TO FILL THAT SPOT.

BUT EVEN IF IF NOT, IF YOU NOMINATE AND IT'S NOT APPROVED, THEN THEY'LL GET TO THAT.

YEAH. YEAH. BUT THAT OKAY.

BUT THERE'S STILL A WARNING. THERE'S STILL A 30 DAY A 30 DAY WARNING TO THE THAT THAT SEATS AVAILABLE I THINK.

YES. SO YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT HOLD OVER CAN BE REPLACED 90 DAYS.

YES. WITH WITH ADEQUATE WARNING.

GOT IT. OKAY.

OKAY. GOT IT.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MCGEE. YES.

WHICH ONE? ALL.

ARE SUBJECT TO IT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'RE GOING BULLET POINT BY BULLET POINT.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOLDOVERS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOLDOVERS.

YES. ALL OF THEM ARE SUBJECT TO THE 90 DAYS, THE LAST BULLET POINT.

YES. THERE YOU GO.

I AM WELL, I DON'T WANT IT TO GO FORWARD, SO I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF ANY OF IT.

COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS.

I GUESS BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME THINGS DISCUSSED AT THE FIRST WORK SESSION.

SUCH AS? YOU KNOW, THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO'S DOING MAKING AN APPOINTMENT OUTSIDE THE 90 DAYS, THEY AREN'T THERE'S THEY'RE SUBJECT TO JUST SO MANY OF THEM THAT YOU JUST CAN'T HAVE ONE COUNCIL MEMBER MAKING ALL THESE.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

SECOND OF ALL, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW.

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I DON'T WE HAD WE HADN'T GOT TO THAT YET.

IT'S COMING. YEAH, YEAH.

OKAY. IT'S SO I'M OKAY WITH THIS BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A MOOT ISSUE.

I THINK IT'S, BUT.

YEAH, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER THINGS I'M NOT OKAY WITH.

COUNCILWOMAN. BYRD. YES.

HOLDOVERS SUBJECT TO 90 DAYS SUBSTITUTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER. YES.

HOLD A HOLDOVER SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE 90 DAY SUBSTITUTE NOMINATION.

OKAY. NEXT LINE. OKAY.

COUNCIL. VACANCIES.

WHEN A CITY COUNCIL SEAT BECOMES UNOCCUPIED, SHOULD THAT SEAT VACANCIES BE INCLUDED IN THE 90 DAY DEADLINE? SO GIVE ME A GIVE ME A WORKING DEFINITION OR KIND OF EXAMPLE OF THAT.

RIGHT. SO IF THERE'S AN EMPTY SEAT, SOMEONE IS RECALLED FOR ANY REASON OR RESIGNS WHATEVER.

AND THERE BECOMES A VACANCY ON ONE OF THAT SEAT'S BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, SHOULD THAT SEAT BE RESERVED FOR WHENEVER IT IS FILLED AGAIN FOR THAT PERSON TO NOMINATE SOMEONE, OR SHOULD IT GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND HAVE.

ADDITIONAL MEMBERS NOMINATE.

OKAY, SO COUNCIL SEATS EMPTY.

SHOULD THE BODY BE ABLE TO APPOINT SOMEONE OR SHOULD IT REMAIN OPEN UNTIL SO? OR ARE THAT PERSON HOLD OVER UNTIL THE NEXT PERSON IS APPOINTED AND THEY CAN MAKE THEIR OWN APPOINTMENT? CORRECT. RIGHT. AND SO IT COULD BE A DAY OR A MONTH OR A YEAR.

DOESN'T MATTER. JUST KIND OF THAT WOULD BE THE SCENARIO, RIGHT? COUNCILMEMBER MELTZER. YEAH, WELL, IF YOU HAVE A HOLD OVER, YOU HAVE A HOLD OVER.

I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF THE CURRENT PRACTICE.

IF YOU DON'T, MY OPINION IS THAT IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO BEING FILLED THROUGH THIS NEW PROCESS, BUT THAT THAT WOULD BUT THE THE PROCESS WOULD START AGAIN ONCE THE COUNCIL SEAT WAS FILLED.

SO IT'D BE LIKE AN INTERIM APPOINTMENT.

LIKE COUNCIL COUNCIL.

LET ME JUST DO IT SLOWLY IF I CAN.

COUNCIL SEATS, EMPTY BOARD AND COMMISSION SEATS, OR COMMISSION SEATS EMPTY.

THERE'S NO HOLD OVER.

WE DON'T LIKE A VACUUM.

OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN NOMINATE THAT CAN BE FILLED, BUT THE THAT BORDER COMMISSION SEAT THAT GETS FILLED IS BEING FILLED AS AN INTERIM.

COUNCIL SEAT GETS FILLED AGAIN.

NOW THERE'S A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO NOMINATE TO THAT SEAT SO THAT THAT STARTS THE NEW 90 DAY CLOCK FOR THAT COUNCIL MEMBER TO MAKE THEIR OWN NOMINATION.

THEY COULD RE NOMINATE THE, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON IN THE INTERIM.

BUT THAT'S DO YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SUGGESTING.

THAT MAKES SENSE. I JUST I DON'T BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE CUMULATIVE IF I'M WRONG.

RIGHT. LIKE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE IF I'M NOT WRONG WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE.

AND SO THE MAJORITY ARE SAID HOLDOVERS.

ALL ARE SUBJECT 90 DAYS.

SO IF THE SEAT IS EMPTY FOR MORE THAN 90 DAYS IT'S SUBJECT TO BE REPLACED THERE.

BUT YOU SAID HOLDOVERS WOULD STAY HOLDOVERS.

THAT PERSON WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO APPOINT SOMEONE IN THE INTERIM IF IT'S MORE THAN 90 DAYS, BECAUSE I WOULD APPOINT SOMEONE THAT THEN FILL THAT SEAT AND THEY'D HAVE THE FULL RUN OF IT. WHEN THAT COUNCIL SEAT IS FILLED, THEY CAN'T REMOVE THAT PERSON.

THERE, THERE. I DON'T THINK I ACTUALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK YOU'RE MAKING A GOOD POINT.

IF I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT WHEN AN INTERIM IS APPOINTED, I'M STILL SAYING THEY'RE BEING APPOINTED AS AN INTERIM, BUT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE LET'S SEE, I WAS ADDRESSING THE SITUATION OF THERE BEING NO HOLDOVER IN PLACE.

RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I SPOKE TO IF NOBODY IN THAT SEAT.

SO IF THERE IS A HOLDOVER IN THAT SEAT.

YEAH. BASED ON WHAT WE JUST SAID, A SLIDE ONE SLIDE AGO, THERE'D BE A 90 DAY CLOCK.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

YES. OKAY. AND THEN SO YEAH, THERE WOULDN'T BE.

YES. OKAY. GREAT.

AND THAT IS.

OKAY. GOT IT.

COUNCIL MEMBER. BYRD. YEAH, I THINK THE 90 DAY, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF THE COUNCIL SEAT AS WELL.

YOU KNOW THE APPOINTED.

YEAH. I THINK IT NEEDS TO.

PLAY UP THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THING.

WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT.

COUNCILMAN THE WHOLE THING.

WELL, THE ONLY REASON THIS WOULD EVER COME INTO PLAY IS IF WHEN THE SEAT BECOMES VACANT, THERE ALREADY IS A HOLDOVER OR A VACANCY, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE TERMS FOR FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE TYPICALLY A COUNCIL ELECTION CYCLE, WHICH IS FROM AUGUST TO AUGUST.

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SO NO, I'M GOING TO GO AGAINST THIS.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S WE'RE GETTING DOWN INTO THE WEEDS TO WHERE YEAH.

NO. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

YES. OKAY.

COUNCILMAN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YES IS.

YEAH. THE.

THE COMMISSION BOARD OR COMMISSION SEAT WOULD STAY FILLED.

EVEN EVEN WITHOUT WITHOUT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER, IF IT BECOMES AVAILABLE, THEN THE 90 DAY CLOCK WOULD START AND THE THE REST OF THE BODY COULD APPOINT.

PERFECT. MAYOR PRO TEM.

YEAH. SO I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK THERE ISN'T A SLIGHT MODIFICATION.

THE GENERAL CONSENSUS ALREADY, BUT THERE'S A SLIGHT MODIFICATION WE MIGHT DO TO TO GET TO COUNCILOR WATSON'S POINT IS ALL THESE TERMS START ROUGHLY AUGUST SEPTEMBER ISH GENERALLY FOR MOST OF THEM.

OR YOU COULD JUST PICK THEIR TERM START AND SO YOU COULD HAVE THE INTERIM LAST UNTIL THE THE GENERAL NORMAL TERM START.

IF YOU DIDN'T IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY AROUND THAT WAY, EVERYBODY IS STILL STARTING ON THEIR SAME TIME THAT THEY NORMALLY WOULD.

AND THEN YOU WOULD EVERYTHING WOULD RESET AND GO BACK TO COMPLETE NORMAL.

BUT BUT IF THERE'S NOT INTEREST IN THAT, THEN I'LL GO AHEAD WITH THE MAJORITY THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SPOKEN.

NEXT SLIDE. SO THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS.

WHEN A VACANCY OCCURS, THE NOTIFICATION TO COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD BEGIN THE 90 DAY CLOCK.

SO HOW AND WHEN SHOULD THE INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS BE NOTIFIED OF A VACANCY AND THEN AFTER THE 90 DAYS HAS PASSED, HOW AND WHEN SHOULD THE REST OF COUNCIL BE NOTIFIED WHEN IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR SUBSTITUTE NOMINATIONS? OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM.

MOST THINGS ARE NOTIFIED TO US IN A STAFF REPORT.

I DON'T SEE WHY THIS SHOULD BE ANYTHING ELSE.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.

HOLLAND. 90 DAYS WITH A 30 DAY WARNING AND NOTIFICATION BY EMAIL.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE. I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND.

AND CHRISTIE BRIEFLY TO THE LAST.

THE LAST ONE THAT MAYOR PRO TEM SAID WAS ADJUSTING THE TIMING.

AUGUST, AUGUST, PLEASE PUT ME DOWN FOR THAT AS WELL.

COUNCIL MEMBER THANK YOU.

I'M NOT SURE. THIS IS REALLY.

I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE STAFF HELP US DECIDE THIS.

I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE BASICALLY STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, AND THAT IS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS? IT'S GOING TO BE 30 DAYS. IT'S GOING TO BE 60 DAYS.

IT'S GOING TO BE BY EMAIL. HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS? I MEAN. I DON'T REALLY CARE AS LONG AS IT'S DONE IN A WAY THAT IS IS STAFF DRIVEN.

AND BECAUSE STAFF'S THE ONE OPERATIONALLY THAT HAS TO DECIDE THIS.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE QUESTION IS.

IT SAYS, HOW DO WE WANT US TO BE NOTIFIED? I THINK MY QUESTION WOULD BE TO STAFF IS HOW DO YOU WANT TO NOTIFY US ON THIS? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU TYPICALLY NOTIFY US? WE GET A NOTIFICATION IN EMAIL.

WE GET, YOU KNOW, SO NOW MAYBE IT'S A TIME INTERVAL.

THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE CRITICAL THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.

SO THERE MIGHT BE NEED TO BE MORE REMINDERS.

AND HOW DOES COUNCIL GET NOTIFIED WHEN A VACANCY IS ELIGIBLE FOR SUBSTITUTE NOMINATION? I MEAN, THE SAME WAY WE DO IT NOW, JUST SEND OUT AN EMAIL BLAST.

SO I DON'T REALLY NEED TO GET INTO THE MINUTIA OF THIS AS FAR AS THE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE, I THINK STAFF COULD COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL. THIS IS HOW WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT THIS PARTICULAR NOTIFICATION PROCESS.

ALL RIGHT, I AGREE AGAIN, I'M I DON'T LIKE THIS CONVERSATION.

YOU KNOW I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS CONVERSATION.

SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.

BUT THE OTHER THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT WHERE I HAVE A HARD TIME IS WHEN I GO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I GO TO THE CITY MANAGER AND SAY, OR A COUNCIL MEMBER COMES TO HIM AND SAYS, HEY, I DIDN'T GET NOTICE OF THIS RIGHT, OR I'M CHALLENGING IF IT WAS SENT OR I DIDN'T SEE IT BECAUSE IT IS SO PUNITIVE, RIGHT? YOU'RE YOUR PERSON IS GONE AND THIS OTHER OR IT'S ON THE AGENDA AND YOU CAN'T UNDO IT.

IT'S POSTED FRIDAY.

YOU DON'T SEE IT TILL MONDAY.

HEY. IT'S DONE. DEAL.

WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE.

YOU KNOW, THEN THERE HAS TO BE ACCOUNTABILITY AT THIS DAY AS TO SAY, HEY, YEAH, I MISSED IT.

RIGHT? BUT IF STAFF PICKS THAT, I LIKE THE FACT THAT STAFF CAN STAY AS FAR AWAY FROM THIS BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS WROUGHT WITH,

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AND I DIDN'T SEE MY EMAIL.

I WAS OUT OF TOWN. RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TRAPPED, SOMEONE'S TRAVELING IN THE SUMMER AND 90 DAYS HITS.

AND YOU DIDN'T. I MEANT I INTENDED TO REAPPOINT I AND SOMEONE POUNCES ON HIM.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN.

AND SO NO.

AND MAYBE I MISSPOKE.

I WASN'T SAYING THAT STAFF DOES THIS BEHIND THE SCENES WITHOUT A THAT WHATEVER PROCEDURE WE DEFINE TO PUT IN THE ORDINANCE.

IN OTHER WORDS THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE WANT ACCOUNTABILITY.

WE WANT IT'S GOT TO BE THIS.

THESE ARE THE THINGS TO FOLLOW.

IF THESE WERE NOT FOLLOWED, THEN THAT 90 DAYS IS MOOT BECAUSE THEN YOU GOT TO START OVER, IN OTHER WORDS.

BUT BUT TO ME, THE STEPS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO BE MORE MEMORIALIZED WOULD BE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF, HEY, WE NEED TO DO THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS AND THIS.

AND IF THEY DON'T DO IT AND IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE, THEN THAT 90 DAYS BECOMES INELIGIBLE.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO START OVER.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I MEANT WAS NOT THAT THEY DO IT BEHIND THE SCENES WITHOUT IT BEING MEMORIALIZED ANYWHERE IN AN ORDINANCE FOR ACCOUNTABILITY.

YOU JUST DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE ON HOW THEY DO IT.

THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. GOT IT.

YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER. BYRD. I AM THINKING THAT EVERYONE THAT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE IN THE LAND OF DENTON, TEXAS, PLEASE GO ONLINE AND SIGN UP FOR ONE OF THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. I AM PERSONALLY AM NOT EMBEDDED TO ANYONE ANYWHERE.

SO AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH ME? AND I GET NOTIFICATIONS GENERALLY I'LL SAY TO THE STAFF WHO'S THE NEXT PERSON IN LINE? THAT'S THE PERSON THAT'S INTERESTED AND NOT NECESSARILY OH, I'VE GOT TO HAVE SO AND SO MY FRIEND ON THE ON A BOARD, YOU KNOW.

SO I WANT US TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.

AND SO I THINK THAT 90 DAYS IS AN EXTENDED LENGTH OF TIME FOR US TO FIND FOLKS, YOU KNOW, TO BE ON THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

SO I AM GOING TO LOOK FOR AN EMAIL LIKE I DO RIGHT NOW.

I THINK IT'S SENT OUT VIA EMAIL.

COUNCILWOMAN. BYRD YOU HAVE THIS OPEN, CAN YOU, YOU KNOW, HELP US GET SOMEONE IN THAT SPACE AND THEN I'LL DO MY PART.

AND SO I'M NOT EVEN NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE WAY THAT WE'RE NOTIFIED RIGHT NOW.

I REALLY JUST DON'T.

SO I'M NOT REAL SURE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I'M.

WHAT'S THE ISSUE HERE? OKAY. SO, YEAH.

EMAIL AND YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I ASKED.

COUNCIL COUNCILWOMAN. ESSER.

YEAH. ON THE WHOLE, I SHARE COUNCIL MEMBER WATT'S POSITION.

YOU ALL HAVE WAYS OF NOTIFYING US.

AND I REALLY CARE WHETHER IT'S PONY EXPRESS, SMOKE, SIGNAL, SEMAPHORE.

BUT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO CHECK OUR EMAILS.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GIVE US A SPECIAL PHONE JUST FOR IT.

SO I THINK THAT'S FINE.

I WHEN IS ANOTHER QUESTION? YOU KNOW, I CAN IMAGINE THAT IF YOU PART OF ME WANTS TO SAY, GIVE A HEADS UP THAT IT'S COMING I GUESS I'D BE OKAY WITH IT.

LIKE A LIKE A WEEK, A WEEK, HEADS UP.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I COULD IMAGINE THERE BEING SOME SITUATIONS WHERE THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO NOMINATE GET SOMEONE IN AT THE LAST MINUTE. SO SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY SAFER TO JUST SAY, OKAY, THAT CALENDAR PAGE HAS TURNED.

NOW NOTIFICATION GOES OUT TO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS AND EMAILS.

FINE. OKAY.

DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED? THAT TO ME.

I JUST I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, BUT HOW MANY HOW MANY BOARDS MEMBERS DO WE HAVE? LIKE LIKE ROUND NUMBERS 116 116.

SO AND THEY STAGGER RIGHT BECAUSE THAT 90 DAYS CAN STAGGER ONE POINT, IT COULD STAGGER RIGHT.

AND SO THEN TO FOR STAFF TO THEN HAVE TO HAVE A CALENDAR THAT THEN I GUESS YOU SET A REMINDER ON YOUR CALENDAR FOR 116 DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND TO GET AN EMAIL, IT JUST IT'S OKAY THAT THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN REQUESTED.

OKAY. NEXT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT MOVING ON TO NOMINATION NOMINEE DOCUMENTS AND VETTING.

ONCE A COUNCIL MEMBER PROVIDES A NOMINATION TO THE CITY SECRETARY, THE NOMINEE MUST SUBMIT REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION TO COMPLETE THE NOMINATION.

CURRENTLY, THERE'S NOT A TIME FRAME FOR WHICH THIS SUBMISSION HAS TO BE RECEIVED BY THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.

WITH THIS NEW DEADLINE, SHOULD THERE BE AN ADDITIONAL DEADLINE FOR WHEN NOMINEES SUBMIT THEIR DOCUMENTS? AND IF, SAY, A COUNCIL MEMBER NOMINATES SOMEONE TOWARDS THE END OF THAT 90 DAY WINDOW, SHOULD THERE BE A DEADLINE FOR PROVIDING THAT

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SO VETTING. RIGHT.

SO AS DECIDED CURRENTLY THERE'S 90 DAYS.

SO ON THE 90TH DAY I COULD APPOINT SOMEONE.

AND THEN THAT'S A CONFLICT BECAUSE ON THE 90TH DAY IT SHOULD TRIGGER EVERYONE ELSE TO BE TO APPOINT SOMEONE.

BUT. CITY SECRETARY HAS TO VET THOSE PEOPLE.

SO THAT WOULD EXTEND BEYOND IF I ONLY GIVE THEM IF I DON'T GIVE THEM ANY DAYS TO A POINT, IF I'M ON THE 90TH DAY AT 5:00.

THEN THEY HAVE TO VET THAT PERSON, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT STARTS.

IT SHOULD AS DECIDED VOTE I CAN SOMEONE ELSE CAN APPOINT FOR THAT SEAT.

SO IT'S HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THOSE TWO? SO HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR VETTING? TIME TO VET APPOINTEES UNDER THE CONSTRAINTS OF 90 DAYS, THEY'RE REPLACED.

I LEFT OFF SO COUNCILMAN MELTZER.

I THINK I'D LIKE TO PASS.

I'M WEIGHING A COUPLE OF OPTIONS.

YEAH. IS THAT RIGHT? NO. OH. ALL RIGHT.

I'M JUST. I'VE BEEN GOING BACK.

I'VE BEEN ALTERNATING. THAT'S FINE.

I'LL TELL YOU. I'LL TELL YOU THE TWO OPTIONS I'M CONSIDERING.

MAYBE BY THE TIME I FINISH SAYING THEM, I'LL FIGURE OUT WHICH I THINK IS BETTER.

YOU KNOW, ONE WOULD BE TO SAY YOU GOT 90 DAYS TO GET THE NAME SUBMITTED, AND THEN I THINK TWO WEEKS IS REASONABLE TO HAVE MATERIALS COME IN, YOU KNOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE ASKING THE QUESTION OR RESTATING THE QUESTION, IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT MAYBE THAT 90 DAYS OUGHT TO INCLUDE THE MEETING, IN WHICH CASE YOU GOT TO HAVE A SORT OF STAFF COMMIT TO.

HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU ALL NEED ONCE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU HAVE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS.

SO, I MEAN, THAT'S ACTUALLY THAT'S A THAT'S A QUESTION HOW ONCE YOU HAVE DOCUMENTS, WHAT IS THE VETTING TIME? LET ME LET ME ADD THAT.

SO HERE'S THE PROBLEM.

YOU MAKE IT YOU MAKE IT I'M GOING TO THROW A WRENCH IN IT.

I'M THE SKUNK AT THE PICNIC.

YOU YOU HAVE SOMEONE YOU THROW OUT THERE.

WE DON'T GET THE INFORMATION BACK FROM THE PERSON IN A TIMELY MANNER.

AND WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH.

IT COULD GO ON FOR A MONTH TO TRYING TO GET A PERSON VETTED TO BE ON A BOARD.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

SO EVERYTHING YOU'RE PUTTING INTO PLACE HERE, I'M WORRIED ABOUT STAFF.

I'M JUST GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

YOU'RE PUTTING SUCH TIGHT PARAMETERS, PARAMETERS AROUND IT.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH 116 BOARDS AND WHEN THEY REACH A 90 DAYS, AND IF IT GOES PAST WHO'S MAKING A NOMINATION, WHO ELSE HAS MADE A NOMINATION, AND DO WE VET ALL OF THOSE? AND THEN HOW LONG IS IT TAKING? I'M I'M TELLING YOU, THIS IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEMATIC SITUATION FOR THE STAFF BECAUSE OF ALL THE TIGHTENING OF THIS.

AND AND WE COULD BE A MONTH, MONTH AND A HALF IF SOMEONE DOESN'T SUBMIT THEIR PAPERWORK TO VET IT.

THAT'S THE IF I MAY, I'M KIND OF I'M MAKING A DISTINCTION AND I'M PERFECTLY WILLING TO PUT REQUIREMENTS KIND OF BOTH WAYS.

ONE IS, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET THE PERSON TO SUBMIT THEIR PAPERWORK? THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE ONCE YOU HAVE PAPERWORK? I UNDERSTAND IF PEOPLE ARE NOT RESPONSIVE, IT CAN GO FOREVER.

BUT BUT ONCE YOU GOT TO THAT HURDLE, THEN WHAT? WHAT'S THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES? AND THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING IS NOT TO PUT NOT TO SQUEEZE YOUR SHOES, BUT IT'S TO SAY, SHOULD WE BUILD THAT INTO THE 90 DAYS? SO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M JUST SAYING.

JUST IMAGINE AT THE.

HOW MANY TIMES WE'D BE DOING THAT WITH APPOINTEES.

THAT'S MY CONCERN, IS YOU HAVE PEOPLE FALL OFF, YOU HAVE PEOPLE GET HEALTHY HEALTH ISSUES, YOU HAVE ALL THESE THINGS, AND THEN YOU'RE ADDING ALL THESE TIMELINES INTO IT, AND THEN YOU'RE TRYING TO REAPPOINT UNDERSTANDABLY, IT'S HARD.

I KNOW THAT FOR Y'ALL.

AND THEN SOMEONE ELSE SAYS, WELL, IT'S BEEN 90 DAYS, I'LL GET SOMEONE ELSE.

AND THEN EVERYBODY, SOMEBODY ELSE'S ARE PUTTING THEM IN.

THEN THE PROBLEM IS, YES, THE PERSON THAT WE'RE TRYING TO VET DOESN'T DO IT IN A TIMELY MANNER.

BUT THEN I GET YOUR POINT.

AND THEN BY THE TIME WE FINALLY GET IT, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE OUR STAFF? THE ANSWER TO THAT IS HOW MANY OF THEM ARE THEY DOING? DO YOU SEE MY POINT? IT COULD BE FIVE PEOPLE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT YOU'RE DOING THEM ALL NOW.

THEY'RE DOING THEM, BUT WITHOUT THE PARAMETERS LIKE IT IS, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PARAMETER THAT SAYS OKAY, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYBODY CAN NOMINATE SOMEONE BECAUSE IT'S PAST A 90 DAY PERIOD.

AND LET'S SAY ALL OF YOU NOMINATE SOMEBODY.

WELL, THAT'S A COMING SLIDE, RIGHT? WHETHER LIKE THEY CAN ALL GO IN OR WHETHER IT'S ONE OF THE TIME IT IS ISN'T THIS QUESTION? I'M JUST SAYING I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THE ADDITIONAL WORK IT'S GOING TO BE ON STAFF.

I WELL LET'S SEE.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL DO IT IN A SMARTER WAY.

SO IT ISN'T. BUT YOU'RE STILL WAITING FOR AN ANSWER FOR ME.

SO SO I'M GOING TO SAY FOR NOW YOU KNOW, 90 DAYS TO GET THE NAME IN TWO WEEKS FOR THE NOMINEE TO GET THE PAPERWORK IN COUNCILMAN BYRD. I DON'T KNOW.

I REALLY DO NOT KNOW.

SO I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER MELTON JUST SAID BECAUSE

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AND I AND I APPRECIATE THE CITY MANAGER LETTING US KNOW THAT THERE'S A PROCESS HERE, AND IT'S A DIFFICULT PROCESS.

SO I DO DEFINITELY WANT TO RESPECT ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL PUT INTO GETTING THESE FOLKS ON BOARD.

AND ALSO, WE HAVE TO RESPECT THE FACT THAT IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET THESE PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, COME TO THIS PROCESS.

YEAH, I'M GOING TO GO WITH WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN SAID BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

KIM. COUNCILMAN WATTS, THIS IS TURNED INTO A BLACK HOLE.

THIS IS TURNED INTO A BLACK HOLE BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ENOUGH VETTING IN THE BEGINNING AND THERE WASN'T ENOUGH DEFINING OF WHAT INTERESTS WERE REALLY TRYING TO SOLVE HERE. SO WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF HOLDOVERS AND THAT THERE WERE SOME VACANCIES.

AND THE INTEREST WAS, HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO DO THEIR JOB BY POINTING VACANCIES AND HOLDOVERS? THIS IS NOT THAT AT ALL.

RIGHT HERE. IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.

I'M JUST SAYING THIS HAS TURNED INTO SOMETHING THAT IS BECOMING UNWORKABLE TO ME.

IT'S VERY SIMPLE.

IF SOMEBODY GETS THEIR NOMINATION IN WITHIN THE 90 DAYS, YOU'VE GOT TIME TO VET IT, JUST LIKE WE HAVE THE TIME TO VET NOW.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TELL THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO TURN YOU OUT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, DON'T GET YOUR MATERIAL BACK IN IN TWO WEEKS OR THREE WEEKS, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. NO, THIS IS ABOUT ENCOURAGING US AT THIS BODY TO GET THESE NOMINATIONS IN.

SO IF THERE'S A NOMINATION MADE AND THE PEOPLE TAKE TIME, WELL, THEN THAT'S UP TO THE CITY SECRETARY SAY, HEY, THIS GUY'S TAKING SO MUCH TIME, AND THEN THE COUNCIL MEMBER CAN DECIDE OR GAL THE COUNCIL MEMBER CAN DECIDE, WELL, DO I NEED TO SUBSTITUTE SOMEONE ELSE? BUT LET'S NOT LOSE FOCUS UNLESS COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE THERE'S THE DIFFERENT INTEREST IN THERE THAT YOU HAD.

BUT MY THOUGHT WAS YOUR INTEREST IS LET'S ENCOURAGE PEOPLE.

LET'S ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET IN THEIR NOMINATIONS.

THIS GOES WAY BEYOND THAT.

SO I AM NOT FOR THIS.

I'M SAYING, HEY, IF SOMEBODY SUBMITS A NOMINATION, LET'S JUST LET'S GO WITH IT AND VET IT LIKE WE NORMALLY DO.

AND WE DON'T HAVE ALL THESE TIME LINES TO KEEP UP WITH.

AND THERE COMES A POINT.

AS COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD SAYS, SOMETIMES WE'RE ALL ADULTS.

IF WE NOMINATE SOMEBODY THAT'S NON-RESPONSIVE, WE NOMINATE SOMEBODY ELSE.

I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO MICROMANAGE THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO VOLUNTEER TO COME SERVE ON OUR BOARD AND COMMISSION.

IT'S OKAY FOR US TO MICROMANAGE OURSELVES BECAUSE WE CAN MAKE THAT CHOICE.

BUT SO I'M TO ME, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

IF SOMEBODY MAKES A NOMINATION IN THE 90 DAYS, PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE THE TIME TO VET IT.

AND IF IT AND IF IT FALLS OUT OUTSIDE THE 90 DAYS, WE SHOULDN'T PUNISH THAT COUNCIL MEMBER FOR DOING SOMETHING.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, SOMETHING OUT OF THEIR CONTROL NECESSARILY.

SOMETIMES TRIGGERS PASS THAT 90 DAYS.

THIS IS BECOMING TOO PUNITIVE.

I MEAN, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, IT'S JUST THIS IS A TOOL OF ENCOURAGEMENT.

THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU PUT ME DOWN ON THAT MAYOR.

YEP. PUT YOU AS UNLIMITED TIME TO VET.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.

MCGEE. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. TO SPEAK TO YOUR TO YOUR ASSUMPTION.

YES, THAT ASSUMPTION IS CORRECT.

THE OWNERS, OBVIOUSLY, FOR THE IMPETUS FOR THIS WAS TO HOLD A COUNCIL MEMBERS ACCOUNTABLE, OBVIOUSLY NOT THE PEOPLE.

WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS THE DELIBERATIVE PROCESS.

I KNOW THAT SOME OF US ARE USED TO HAVING CONVERSATIONS CUT OFF MIKES TURNED OFF WHATNOT.

LET'S CONTINUE THE DELIBERATIVE PROCESS.

SOMETHING GOOD IS GOING TO COME AT THE END OF THIS FOR EVERYBODY.

PUT ME DOWN FOR UNLIMITED TWO, PLEASE, MAYOR.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ONE.

I'LL LET THAT ONE SLIDE.

COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. THE YEAH, I GUESS THE THE CITY SECRETARY WOULD NOTIFY THE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT THEIR APPOINTEE HAS NOT, HAS NOT PROVIDED DOCUMENTATION, AND IT WOULD BE THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO TO GET ON THE TO GET ON THE APPOINTEE.

SO I GUESS UNLIMITED.

OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM.

I'M ALSO FOR UNLIMITED, I THINK, FOR THE REASONS THAT COUNCILOR WAS SPECIFIED.

I'VE HAD THAT EXACT CIRCUMSTANCE HAPPEN TO ME.

I TOOK ME SEVEN MONTHS TO GET A BOARD IN BECAUSE THEY JUST TOOK FOREVER AND EVERYBODY WAS WORKING THEIR DAMNEDEST, AND IT TOOK ME SEVEN MONTHS TO GET THAT PERSON ON SO UNLIMITED.

GOT IT. SO IF MULTIPLE NOMINATIONS ARE RECEIVED.

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YEAH. MAYOR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO SORT OF SEPARATELY LOOK AT THE LAST QUESTION ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, WHICH COUNCILMEMBER WATTS ADDRESSED, BUT I THINK OTHERS HAVE SPOKEN TO AND I WOULD I THINK I'M ON THE SAME PAGE ON THAT, WHICH IS IF YOU NOMINATE WITHIN YOUR 90 DAYS, BUT THE PERSON DOESN'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, NEW, NEW 90 DAY CLOCK, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL YOUR SEAT TO NOMINATE.

I THINK THAT'S IN CONFLICT WITH THE OTHER INFORMATION YOU GAVE.

IT'S CUMULATIVE. THIS IS THIS IS BEFORE WE STARTED TALKING.

RIGHT. THIS IS.

AT THE BEGINNING WE SAID IT'S 90 DAYS FOR EVERYONE.

RIGHT. THEN YOU'RE WALKING THAT BACK TO SAY, WELL, IT'S NOT 90 DAYS IN THESE CERTAIN SITUATIONS.

I MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN CLEAR ON WHAT I'M INTENDING TO SAY.

SO IT IS 90 DAYS YOU NOMINATE AND YOU'VE DONE WHAT THIS BODY IS LOOKING AT DOING, BUT THEN THEY, THEY FALL OUT OF THE PROCESS EITHER BECAUSE THEY'RE DETERMINED NOT TO BE ELIGIBLE, YOU KNOW, IN THE VETTING PROCESS OR THEY'RE NOT APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

SO THEN WHAT SITUATION ARE YOU IN? THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION TO BE ASKING.

RIGHT. WELL NO THEY'RE NOT APPROVED.

IT'S COMING UP. RIGHT.

RIGHT. YES. AND THEY ARE.

OH THIS IS JUST INELIGIBLE OKAY.

IT DOESN'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE VETTING.

RIGHT OKAY.

RIGHT? AND SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE EARLIER DIRECTION WOULD INFORM THAT BECAUSE THIS SLIDE IS MADE BEFORE YOU STARTED GETTING DIRECTION, IF WE'RE WHITTLING IT DOWN, THE THE FIRST QUESTION WAS 90 DAYS APPLIES TO ALL, WHICH THEN MAKES THIS QUESTION MOOT.

AM I RIGHT? YEAH IT DOES BECAUSE IT'S CUMULATIVE.

RIGHT. IT'S WE'RE BUILDING OUT THIS THING AND IT GETS I DON'T ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND.

I'M SORRY. I'M A LITTLE SLOW.

WELL, WHAT IS THE IMPLICATION? AND IF YOU CAN JUST TAKE IT JUST SIMPLY FOR ME.

YOU NOMINATE SOMEONE.

WITHIN 90 DAYS, BUT THEY WERE FOUND TO BE INELIGIBLE.

SO THEN WHAT HAPPENS? NO. IF YOU CAN GO BACK, UNFORTUNATELY.

LET'S GO BACK TO THE VERY FIRST QUESTION.

ODD HOLDOVERS ARE SUBJECT TO 90 DAYS SUBSTITUTE NOMINATION THAT THE MAJORITY SAID YES.

YEAH, RIGHT.

ALL MEANS ALL.

YEAH. HOLD OVER THE SITUATION WHERE THE PERSON'S TERM HAS EXPIRED, BUT THEY'RE SERVING UNTIL SOMEONE ELSE COMES IN AND THERE'S A 90 DAY CLOCK ON THAT.

YES. SO THEN IF YOU GO BACK TO WHERE WE ARE.

IT ASSUMES SOMEONE'S IN THAT SEAT AND YOU HAVE APPOINTED SOMEONE.

AND YOU HAVE 90 DAYS TO APPOINT SOMEONE.

AND IF THAT PERSON IS NOT APPOINTED, ALL ARE SUBJECT TO THE 90 DAY RESTRICTION.

BUT THIS THIS QUESTION APPLIES WHETHER THERE'S A HOLDOVER IN PLACE OR IT'S UNOCCUPIED.

RIGHT. YOU STILL HAVE THE QUESTION OF A NOMINEE BEING FOUND NOT TO BEING FOUND INELIGIBLE, RIGHT? NO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A CUSTOMIZING.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A CUSTOMIZED DISCUSSION FOR EMPTY SEATS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL VACANCIES.

A HOLDOVER IS A VACANCY, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE ALL APPLIED THE SAME.

YEAH. SO SO THERE'S NOT A DISTINCTION BETWEEN A MORE, MORE BROADLY WHEN STAFF EXPLAINED IN THE BEGINNING, MORE BROADLY, THEY'RE ALL VACANCIES.

I'M WITH YOU. AND SO.

AND THIS SLIDE WAS CREATED BEFORE WE STARTED WHITTLING DOWN.

SO IF WE WERE IF THIS IS A LIVE DOCUMENT, YOU'D DELETE THAT EVERY REFERENCE TO 90 DAYS GOING AFTER THE FIRST SLOT, BECAUSE THE MAJORITY SAID 90 DAYS APPLIES TO ALL.

YOU REMOVE ALL REFERENCES TO OTHER ANYTHING THAT WOULD CONFLICT WITH THAT.

NO, NO.

CAN I HAVE YOU NOT? NO. WHAT DO YOU MEAN, NO? NO. HOLD ON.

THIS. THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

THIS IS A TWO MINUTE PITCH.

THIS WAS PROPOSED AS A SIMPLE TWO MINUTE PITCH.

AND THIS IS OUR SECOND WORK SESSION.

AND WE'VE SPENT TWO HOURS LIVE DOING THIS, BY THE WAY.

SO COUNCIL MEMBER.

SO YES, YOU ARE CORRECT, MAYOR, THAT THERE IS A CONFLICT HERE IN THE SENSE THAT BECAUSE THE MAJORITY SAID ANY HOLD OVER AFTER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE 90 DAYS, ANY HOLD OVER IS SUBJECT TO.

SO THIS COULD CREATE THAT SITUATION WHERE IF SOMEONE'S NOMINATION IS EITHER NOT APPROVED OR THEY EXTEND PAST THE 90 DAYS, YOU HAD THIS OTHER RULE THAT SAYS AFTER 90 DAYS, ANY HOLDOVER IS SUBJECT TO ANY COUNCIL MEMBER REAPPOINTING, BECAUSE AFTER THE 90 DAYS, THAT PERSON WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE A HOLDOVER.

SO THERE IS A CONFLICT IN THOSE TWO SITUATIONS.

NO, NO. YEAH. YOU JUST GOT TO YOU GOT TO LIVE WITH WHAT THE RULES YOU MAKE, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT A CONFLICT. IT'S JUST YEAH, WE MADE A DECISION AND WE GOT TO LIVE WITH IT.

BUT HOLD HOLD ON.

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WE THE THE THE POINT WAS TO MAKE A NOMINATION WITHIN 90 DAYS.

IF A NOMINATION HAS BEEN MADE WITHIN 90 DAYS, THEN WE GO BACK TO THE YOU HAVE 90 DAYS TO MAKE YOUR NOMINATION.

SO YOU GET YOU SHOULD GET A CLOCK RESET.

IF THE IF THE PERSON YOU NOMINATED WAS DEEMED INELIGIBLE, THEN YOU GET A CLOCK RESET FOR ANOTHER 90 DAYS.

THEN YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE FIRST SLIDE, THE HOLDOVER SLIDE.

YOU HAVE TO PUT A CONTINGENCY IN THERE.

BUT IT'S NOT. ALL HOLDOVERS ARE SUBJECT TO 90 DAYS SUBSTITUTION.

YOU JUST THAT YOU JUST SAID THAT'S NOT TRUE.

YOU'RE STILL SUBJECT TO MAKING A NOMINATION WITHIN 90 DAYS.

SO WE MADE A NOMINATION WITHIN 90 DAYS.

BUT IF THERE'S IF IT'S ENTIRELY CONSISTENT.

IN FACT, YES, MOMMY.

MAYBE. MAYBE YES.

BECAUSE I NEED YOUR. I NEED YOU TO HELP ME.

IF THERE WAS A COMMUNICATE, IT'D BE REAL EASY TO DO SO.

WE'RE COMING UP TO THE NOMINATION PROCESS.

SO WE'RE SAYING YOU'VE GOT 90 DAYS TO MAKE A NOMINATION, RIGHT? AFTER 90 DAYS, IF THERE'S NOBODY FILLED, IF.

IF WE.

THIS SLIDE DOES NOT SAY THAT IF YOU'VE IF YOU'VE NOMINATED SOMEBODY AND THEY'VE BEEN DISAPPROVED OR IF YOU'VE NOMINATED SOMEBODY AND THE VETTING PROCESS GOES BEYOND 90 DAYS, WE HAVEN'T MADE AN EXCEPTION TO THIS RULE.

THIS RULE UNEQUIVOCALLY STATES ALL HOLDOVERS ARE SUBJECT TO 90 DAY SUBSTITUTE NOMINATION.

SO IF YOU NOMINATE SOMEBODY ON THE 45TH DAY AND SOMEHOW IT FALLS THROUGH AND YOU GO PAST TO THE 100TH DAY, THIS RULE, AS IT STANDS, STILL KICKS IN AND SAYS THAT PERSON CURRENTLY IN THAT SEAT.

SO NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S RIGHT.

I'M JUST SAYING WE HAVE TO CURE THAT.

BUT WE ARE A BODY AND WE CAN EASILY ON THE SIDE THAT WE'RE AT SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DISCOVERED A HOLE IN THE PROCESS THAT WE WEREN'T THINKING OF.

SO LET'S CHANGE IT TO NOMINATIONS AND CLOCK RESET AND BOOM, WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

WELL, BUT WAIT A MINUTE. I WOULD JUST SAY WHEN YOU SAY WE SAY I BECAUSE I SAID THIS IS A PROBLEM, RIGHT? I FORECASTED THIS PROCESS.

ALL OF THIS IS A PROBLEM.

SO SO YOU CAN SAY BACK AND FORTH, YOU CAN SAY YOU MAY NEED THAT.

I, I FORECASTED THIS WITHOUT THE NEED TO GO THROUGH AN HOUR OF THIS EXERCISE TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS FRAUGHT WITH DANGER.

SO I WOULD JUST THAT'S JUST MY PREFERENCE THAT YOU GO WITH I VERSUS WE.

SO COUNCILMAN MELTZER I REALLY LOVE TO GET THE CLARITY ON THIS.

IF YOU'VE GOT A NOMINEE THAT DOESN'T GET THAT IS FOUND TO BE WHAT'S THE TERM INELIGIBLE? THEY'RE NOT A HOLDOVER.

THEY NEVER GOT THEY NEVER GOT IN SOMEBODY OCCUPYING THAT SEAT.

IF SOMEBODY IS. YEAH. IF SOMEBODY IS OCCUPYING THAT SEAT, THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT.

YEAH, YEAH. THEY'RE A HOLDOVER.

YOU COULD HAVE A HOLDOVER. YOU COULD HAVE A VACANCY WITHOUT A HOLDOVER.

THEY JUST DON'T LIKE THE. SO.

SO IF IF THERE IS.

SO I TAKE YOUR POINT THAT IF THERE IS A HOLDOVER IN THE SEAT AND IT'S TAKEN MORE THAN 90 DAYS TO GET THIS NOMINEE VETTED, THEN BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SAID SO FAR, OPEN FOR ANOTHER NOMINATION.

RIGHT. SO BUT AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT NECESSARILY AGREEING WITH THAT.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT THESE RULES SAY.

IT'S THE APPLICATION. BUT IF IT'S IF IT'S A VACANCY WITHOUT A HOLDOVER IN PLACE, THEN.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE THE.

I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND ME JUST ASKING A QUESTION, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THE TERMINOLOGY MATTERS.

SO YOU GOT IT. THEY'RE ALL VACANCIES.

HOPE YOU'RE MAKING A DISTINCTION BETWEEN HOLD OVERS AND OPEN SEATS.

WELL, YOU WERE SAYING OPEN SEATS ARE ALSO HOLDOVERS.

HOLDOVERS, YES, BUT.

BUT WHEN THERE IS NO HOLDOVER, IT COULD STILL BE A VACANCY.

CORRECT. SO YOU'RE REFERRING TO THEY'RE ALL YOU'RE MAKING A DISTINCTION BETWEEN A HOLDOVER AND AN OPEN SEAT IS WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY.

YES. THERE IS NO DISTINCTION WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ORDINANCE.

AND WHAT SHE SAID IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION.

THEY ARE ALL VACANCIES.

THEY ARE ALL VACANCIES.

THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN OUR USE OF THOSE TERMS. YES. OKAY, THEN GO RIGHT AHEAD.

SO LET'S JUST TAKE THE SITUATION WHERE THERE'S A VACANCY THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE A HOLDOVER IN THE POSITION, AND YOU'VE NOMINATED SOMEBODY, THEY'RE FOUND TO BE INELIGIBLE, BUT YOU DID YOUR DUTY AS A COUNCIL MEMBER.

YOU NOMINATED THEN THE 90 DAYS.

IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN SANGER OR, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER.

SO. WHAT WOULD BE THE PROBLEM THEN? OR WOULD THERE BE A PROBLEM THEN IN MY MIND? I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE WITH SAYING DIDN'T WORK.

RESET THE CLOCK, TRY AGAIN.

THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS YOU KNOW THEY NOMINATED DIDN'T WORK OUT.

TRY AGAIN ANOTHER 90 DAY CLOCK BEFORE IT GETS OPENED TO THE.

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THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

THE PROBLEM IS WE GOT TO GO BACK TO SLIDE ONE AND YOU HAVE TO SOMEBODY HAS TO CHANGE THEIR ANSWER.

THE MAJORITY HAS TO CHANGE THEIR ANSWER BECAUSE THE MAJORITY IN SLIDE ONE SAID THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS.

SO IF WE WANT TO GO BACK TO SLIDE ONE AND DO IT AGAIN, THAT ONLY THAT REFERRED TO, THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS IN TERMS OF WHOLE NUMBERS.

AGAIN, THIS IS THE IMPORTANT NO.

YOU AGAIN YOU SAY HOLDOVERS AS THOUGH THAT'S SEPARATE.

THEY'RE VACANCIES.

THEY'RE ALL VACANCIES PER THE ORDINANCE.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN HOLDOVERS AND OPEN SEATS.

THEY'RE ALL VACANCIES OKAY.

SO SO OKAY I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT THAT THEY'RE ALL VACANCIES.

SO WHAT WOULD BE.

AND I SAY IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE GENERAL IDEA.

BUT BUT JUST TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S BEEN SAID SO FAR, WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST THEN IS THE IMPLICATION FOR THE SITUATION OF AN INELIGIBLE NOMINEE? I WOULD SUGGEST YOU IT STARTS AT SLIDE ONE WHERE YOU HAVE TO IF YOU DON'T CHANGE THE DIRECTION ON SLIDE ONE, THIS BULLET POINT IS MOOT IN MY ESTIMATION.

SO GIVEN THAT THIS IS MOOT.

SO NO NOTABLE NOMINEE.

BUT LET'S SAY WE DON'T CHANGE SLIDE ONE.

SO THERE'S A NOMINATION THERE FOUND TO BE AN ELIGIBLE.

THEN WHAT HAPPENS IN YOUR IN YOUR VIEW WITHOUT CHANGING SLIDE ONE.

FAIR QUESTION. IT'S OPEN FOR ME FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO TO PUT IN NOMINATION PAST 90 DAYS AND AND OKAY I'M ACTUALLY OKAY WITH THAT OKAY.

GOT IT. SO WHERE ARE WE.

GOT IT. WE ARE AT YEAH.

THEN THEN VETTING UNLIMITED IS THE ANSWER TO THIS LOT.

NEXT SLIDE. BUT IT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED DIRECTION ON THAT.

IF THE PERSON IS INELIGIBLE.

DOES THAT START AT THE 90 DAYS OVER? SO YOU HAVE 90 NEW DAYS TO SUBMIT A NOMINATION? OR IS THE ANSWER THE DAY AFTER THEY'RE INELIGIBLE, THE REST OF THE COUNCIL CAN PUT IN THEIR NOMINATIONS.

THE LATTER? WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF I HEARD THAT FROM THE COUNCIL.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO BACK TO THE FIRST QUESTION.

THE FIRST QUESTION IS THERE WAS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX PEOPLE THAT SAID 90 DAYS APPLIES.

ON ON. THERE'S NO THERE WAS NO EXCEPTION TO TO THAT, TO THAT.

AND SO IT READS.

OUR HOLD OVER SUBJECT TO 90 DAYS.

SUBSTITUTE NOMINATION.

AND SIX PEOPLE SAID YES.

RIGHT. AND SO IF A HOLDOVER IS IN PLACE, A NOMINATION IS MADE TO REPLACE THAT HOLDOVER.

AND IT TAKES LONGER THAN 90 DAYS, AND IT DETERMINES THAT THAT IS NO LONGER THAT THE PERSON IS INELIGIBLE TO SERVE, THAT CONTINUE TO HOLD OVER.

THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WAIT ANOTHER 90 DAYS FOR THAT COUNCIL MEMBER TO MAKE ANOTHER NOMINATION? OR THE DAY THAT THAT THAT SUBSTITUTE NOMINEE IS DETERMINED INELIGIBLE? DOES IT NOW OPEN IT UP FOR THE REST OF THE COUNCIL TO MAKE A NOMINATION? FOR ME, THE TEST OF THAT IS WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT PERSON THAT'S IN THAT SEAT? SO YOU MADE A NOMINATION THAT FAILED.

WHO'S THAT PERSON IN THAT SEAT? WHAT LABEL DO YOU GIVE THEM? HOLD OVER. IT'S THERE IN THE SEAT.

YES. YEAH. SO HOLD OVERS ARE SUBJECT TO 90 DAY NOMINATION.

UNLESS YOU CAN COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT NAME FOR THAT PERSON, THERE'S STILL A HOLDOVER.

ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SO THAT'S SO SIX PEOPLE SAID OUR HOLD OVER SUBJECT TO 90 DAYS SUBSTITUTION.

YES. AND SO IF YOU MAKE A NOMINATION THAT FAILS, THE PERSON IN THAT SEAT IS A HOLDOVER.

RIGHT? I'VE HEARD SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY YOU SHOULD GET A NEW 90 DAYS IF THAT PERSON DOESN'T VET, BUT THEN YOU GOT TO GO BACK AND CHANGE THE FIRST.

OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT THAT'S OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO WE'LL DO IT AGAIN.

BUT THAT'S ARE WE ON THE SAME PAGE? YEAH. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER WELL, LET'S GET THIS CLEARED UP THEN.

WE'LL GET KEEP GOING. COUNCIL MEMBER.

MCGEE. MR. CITY ATTORNEY, THANK YOU FOR RAISING THAT QUESTION.

I, TOO BELIEVE THAT IF AN ELIGIBLE, THE CLOCK SHOULD START OVER.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

NEXT. GO. GOING FORWARD.

YEAH. DO DO WE NEED TO.

YEAH. CAN I I'D LIKE TO I GOT A I WANT TO GIVE DIRECTION.

I WANT TO GIVE DIRECTION.

SO I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO GO BACK TO SLIDE ONE.

BULLET POINT THREE I'LL WITHDRAW MY CONSENT ON THAT OR MY AGREEMENT ON THAT.

AND WHAT I WOULD ADD TO THAT, THAT HOLDOVERS ASSOCIATED 90 DAY SUBSTITUTE NOMINATION.

IF YOU WANT TO SAY ALL ALL, THEN WE CAN HAVE CITY ATTORNEY WORDSMITH IT.

HOWEVER, HOWEVER THEY WANT TO SAY IT, IF A NOMINATION IS MADE WITHIN THOSE 30 DAYS AND IT FAILS, THEN THEY GET A NEW 90 DAYS.

IF IT'S IF IT'S NOT APPROVED BY COUNCIL, IF THEY MAKE A NOMINATION WITHIN THOSE 90 DAYS AND IT FAILS TO BE VETTED, OR THAT SOMEHOW THEY'RE INELIGIBLE OR THE VETTING

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SO THOSE ARE THE TWO EXCEPTIONS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO THAT THAT ONE SLIDE ON THE VETTING PART.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY FOR THIS SLIDE IS THAT ALL HOLDOVERS ARE, ARE HOLDOVERS SUBJECT TO 90 DAY SUBSTITUTION NOMINATION.

YES. BUT AND HOWEVER THE CITY ATTORNEY WANTS TO DO THAT.

SO THAT'S MY DIRECTION.

THAT'S ONLY MINE. SO I WOULD SUPPORT THE COUNCIL.

BUT THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS EVERYONE'S TOUTED THE DELIBERATIVE PROCESS.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE TOUTED. RIGHT.

SO LET'S GO BACK TO COUNCIL DIRECTION SLIDE.

OH, YEAH.

KEEP GOING TO WHERE YOU HAVE THE BULLETS OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT.

NO, IT'S SLIDE THREE.

THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. SO WHAT YOU TOUCHED ON, WE'VE NOT REACHED YET.

THAT'S UNSUCCESSFUL NOMINATIONS.

OKAY. RIGHT.

THAT WOULD BE STILL UNDER THE.

YEAH. SO THE DELIBERATIVE PROCESS THAT EVERYONE'S TOUTED IS YOU TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME, AND IT NARROWS IT AND NARROWS IT AND NARROWS IT AND GETS IT DONE.

SO WE JUMPED FROM ONE TO, TO TO THE END THERE.

BUT THE HOLDOVER THING IS SEPARATE AND APART AS AS I UNDERSTAND.

BUT HELP ME, AM I, AM I READING IT WRONG? AM I DOING IT WRONG? NO.

WE'VE BROKEN INTO BITE SIZED PIECES.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YEAH.

SO THE HOLDOVER COMPONENT IS HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT IN A VACUUM, RIGHT.

VERSUS HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT AS A OUTCOME OVERALL? YEAH. BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET TO MULTIPLE NOMINATIONS AND WHAT ELSE I MEAN I KNOW UNSUCCESSFUL NOMINATIONS.

AND THEN WHAT WAS THE OTHER POINT YOU MADE ABOUT EXCEPTIONS IF THEY FAILED IN THE PROCESS? IF IN THE VETTING PROCESS, YES, THE NOMINATION IS MADE WITHIN THE 90 DAYS.

AND IF IN THE VETTING PROCESS SOMETHING HAPPENS, THEY'RE INELIGIBLE OR THEY DECIDE THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, THEY MADE A DIFFERENT DECISION, THEN THE CLOCK WOULD START OVER FOR THAT 90 DAYS.

IT JUST WOULD LOOP. I LOOK AT IT AS A COMPUTER FLOW CHART.

IT JUST LOOPS BACK UP TO COMING IN THROUGH THE THROUGH THE INPUT.

OKAY. SO FOR FOR SCORING PURPOSES SO THAT STAFF AND I ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.

SO I'M GOING TO CHANGE COUNCIL MEMBER.

WHAT'S ANSWER FROM THE FIRST ONE.

SO THERE'S FIVE YESES FOR ALL 90 DAYS COUNTS.

RIGHT. RIGHT. YOU'RE TRACKING WITH ME OKAY.

THEN I'M GOING TO GO WHERE WE LEFT OFF.

AND WHEN WE GO TO VETTING WHAT SLIDE IS THAT? SO THAT IS SLIDE EIGHT.

I'M GOING TO.

CHANGE OR AMEND? LET'S SEE, LET'S SEE. WHAT DID HE SAY? EIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS SAID HE'S UNLIMITED TIME ON THE FIRST ONE ON 90 DAYS.

RIGHT. THAT'S A. AND THEN HE'S ALSO GOING TO SAY IT ELIGIBLE TO BE WHAT HAPPENS? IT RESETS FOR ANOTHER 90 DAYS IS HIS ANSWER TO QUESTION B RESETS.

AND THEN WE KNOW HIS ANSWER FOR THE NEXT ONE.

BUT WE'LL GET THERE. RESETS OKAY.

GREAT. GOT IT.

COUNCILMAN I MEAN, COUNCILMAN MELTZER.

YEAH. I SEE THE MERIT OF WHAT YOU PROPOSE, SO I'M WILLING TO ALIGN WITH THAT.

OKAY, SO SAME THING, SAME CHANGES FOR THAT.

HOLD ON.

BUT HIS IS DIFFERENT.

IT'S TWO WEEKS AND THEN RESETS.

WHO'S TWO WEEKS? COUNCILMAN MELTZER.

NO. COUNCIL MEMBER.

HE CHANGED THE LATTER PART, NOT THE YOU YOU DIDN'T MENTION YOU WANTED TO DO AWAY WITH THE TWO WEEKS, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER.

THERE'S A MAJORITY THAT ALREADY THAT ALREADY THAT SHIP SAILED.

YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE SAILED ALREADY.

I'M SAYING HE.

I'M WRONG, I'M WRONG, I'M WRONG.

I'M WITH YOU. LET'S LET'S LET'S MOVE ON.

BUT I DIDN'T KEEP MY TWO WEEKS IN.

ONCE I SAW THAT IT'S A CONVERSATION AND WE COME TO AGREEMENTS.

AND I HEARD THIS BODY COME TO AN AGREEMENT TO HAVE UNLIMITED VETTING TIME.

SO I WAS ASSUMING THAT ALREADY IN IT IS.

YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

OKAY THEN. THAT'S GOOD.

I'M WILLING TO TO ACTUALLY BE IN AGREEMENT.

TAKE. YES. YEAH.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMEMBER WATTS FOR PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.

PLEASE CHANGE MY ANSWER ON SLIDE ONE AS WELL.

AND SINCE HE AND I WERE BOTH ALIGNED ON A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME FOR VETTING, THAT SHOULDN'T CREATE ANY OTHER CHANGE.

WE'RE GOOD. YES.

OKAY. THANKS, SIR. MAYOR PRO TEM? YES. THE SAME THING.

BECAUSE THE EXACT SAME CIRCUMSTANCES HELD.

I SUPPORT COUNCILOR WATSON'S MODIFICATIONS.

AND I HAD THE SAME NOTE.

NO CHANGE TO MY VOTE ON THIS SLIDE.

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I MOVE ON A TRAIN.

OKAY. WE ALL GOOD? YES.

OKAY. SO THIS QUESTION IS JUST WHAT IF MULTIPLE SUBSTITUTE NOMINATIONS ARE RECEIVED FOR THE SAME VACANT SEAT? CURRENTLY, THESE NOMINATIONS COME IN AS ONE OFFS.

SO THEY GO ONTO THE COUNCIL AGENDA FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL.

AND IF WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE HAVING MULTIPLE PEOPLE NOMINATING, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS FOR BRINGING THAT TO COUNCIL OR WOULD IT BE TIME BASED, ETC.? OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM.

HOW TO DEAL WITH MULTIPLE NOMINATIONS.

YEAH, WE HAVE A SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCE FOR OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS OR SUBCOMMITTEES AND STUFF.

I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULDN'T JUST SUBMIT ALL THE NAMES AND HAVE A STRAIGHT VOTES ON THEM.

SO I MEAN, IF IF PERSON X IS PERSON Y'S NOMINEE, THEN WE CAN WE CAN VOTE YES OR NO IN IN INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER SECTION OF THE AGENDA IS APPROPRIATE.

AND AND IF THAT FAILS AND THERE'S ANOTHER NOMINEE KEEP KEEP GOING.

SO I'M ASSUMING YOUR QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU PRIORITIZE THAT? RIGHT. BECAUSE IF, IF IF YOU TAKE IT IF EVERYONE COMES IN BEFORE FRIDAY, ARE THEY ALL TREATED THE SAME OR HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU DISCERN THAT? THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

AND I WOULD JUST SAY PROBABLY YOU HAVE TO BE JOHNNY ON THE SPOT AND SO HAVE TO DO DATE SUBMISSION.

I DON'T SEE ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT.

SO WHOEVER THE ORDER IS, WHOEVER SUBMITTED, AND THEN YOU IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE SLOW, YOU'RE SLOW.

OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN.

THE PRESUMPTION IS THAT ALL THESE NOMINATIONS ARE ARE QUALIFIED.

NONE OF THEM GET. NONE OF THEM GET THROWN OUT OTHERWISE.

FAILING THAT, I WOULD SAY THE DATE.

SUBMISSION. FIRST.

FIRST IN. FIRST OUT.

YES. YOU WON'T YOU WON'T KNOW.

AND THAT'S A THAT THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY A QUESTION THAT WE'LL HAVE TO GET TO AT SOME POINT.

I MEAN, IT WON'T BE TODAY, BUT IF THE FIRST NAME ACCEPTED FAILS, DO YOU JUST GO BACK TO THE LIST OR DOES IT TRIGGER A WHOLE NEW WHO'S EMAIL FIRST? I WOULD SEE THE FIRST. I WOULD SAY THE FIRST NAME THAT IS QUALIFIED, THE FIRST NAME SUBMITTED THAT IS QUALIFIED.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE. ARE WE? YEAH. WE'RE NOT.

DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT UP NOW? THAT WAS NOT ON OUR LIST OF QUESTIONS, SO.

RIGHT. OKAY.

WE CAN COME BACK WITH IT.

OKAY. JUST MAKE A NOTE THAT THAT'S ANOTHER THING TO FINE TUNE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MCGEE. I'M RIGHT.

WHERE? WHERE HE.

WHERE? MAYOR PRO TEM IS.

WE SHOULD ALL JUST VOTE THEM UP OR DOWN.

OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN.

WHAT'S. SO MY UNDERSTANDING.

SO I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THE CURRENT PROCESS IS IF THERE'S MULTIPLE NOMINATIONS, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY COME IN, DATE OF SUBMISSION, THEY'RE SUBMITTED ONE THROUGH WHATEVER. AND YOU TAKE THE FIRST ONE AND YOU HAVE A VOTE ON IT.

IF THEY FAIL, YOU GO DOWN TO THE SECOND NAME IN THAT NOMINATION LIST.

IF THEY FAIL AND IT'S BASED ON TIME OF SUBMISSION.

SO WE'VE GOT EMAILS, WE'VE GOT TIME STAMPS.

SO I SAY WE DO IT THE SAME WAY WE DO IT NOW.

AND THAT IS YOU SUBMIT A LIST OF NOMINATIONS AND YOU START AT THE TOP.

AND THE FIRST ONE THAT GETS THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTE, THEY GET NOMINATED.

SO THAT'S SORT OF HOW WE DO IT NOW.

AND THE SUBMISSION, I THINK THE DATE OF SUBMISSION IS STILL PART OF THE PROCESS EVEN TODAY.

I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WHICH NAMES DO YOU PRESENT FIRST? AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS IF THEY'RE ALL NOMINATED FROM THE DAIS, IT'S WHO GETS RECOGNIZED FIRST, WHO GETS RECOGNIZED SECOND.

AND SO IT'S STILL BASED ON THE SUBMISSION.

SO THAT'S I THINK WE PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE A PROCESS TO HANDLE THAT OKAY.

COUNCILWOMAN BYRD. I TOOK A STATISTICS CLASS.

I CAN'T EVEN SAY THE WORD.

THAT WAS VERY CONFUSING TO ME AS THIS IS.

I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD HAD A GOOD PROCESS, AND I THINK THAT WE'RE JUST LEANING ON THIS 90 DAYS, AND NOW WE'RE INTO MULTIPLE NOMINATIONS.

AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR THAT.

WE BRING THOSE NOMINATIONS TO THE FLOOR AND WE VOTE THEM UP AND DOWN, UP, UP AND OR DOWN.

I THINK THAT THAT'S A PROCESS THAT'S WORKED YOU KNOW, AND WHEN WE DON'T GET THE PERSON THAT WE THINK, YOU KNOW, IS DESERVING,

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SO I'M NOT REAL SURE WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

SO WHATEVER WAS SAID, AND THEN I'M GOING TO LOOK ON HIS PAPER AND HOPEFULLY HE'S GOT THE RIGHT ANSWER OVER THERE.

I MEAN, AND GO WITH WHATEVER CHRIS SAYS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I'M JUST NOT EVEN REALLY SURE IF THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, A BIG PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE.

AND I'LL JUST BE YOU KNOW, JUST BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE I AM WITH THAT.

CHRIS. I KNOW THE PROBLEM WOULD BE.

AND NO ONE'S TOUCHED ON IT.

SO YOU MAKE ASSUMPTIONS JUST TO TO GET THROUGH IT.

BUT THE PROBLEM WOULD BE IF I GO TO JESSE AND I SAY, HEY, JESSE PUT ME DOWN FOR THIS NOMINEE VERBALLY.

YEAH. THERE'S NO PROHIBITION AGAINST THAT.

AND YOU WOULD SAY, HEY, I HAVE AN EMAIL THAT I SENT IN AND I WOULD SAY, WELL, THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE AN EMAIL.

IT DOESN'T SAY, YOU HAVE TO SEND AN EMAIL.

SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT GAMESMANSHIP I TAKE IT YOUR POINT IT SHOULD NOT EXIST.

BUT. YOU SHOULD.

YOU SHOULD NOT LEAVE GAPING HOLES LIKE THAT FOR IT TO MANIFEST.

AND SO YOU HAVE THIS AND THEN WE'VE NOT TALKED.

I MEAN, AND THIS IS ALL IN THE WEEDS.

RIGHT. THEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE TIME.

RIGHT. SO IS IT 90 DAYS 24 HOUR CLOCK, IS IT 90 DAYS IN THE BUSINESS.

AND THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT THAT ARE IN THE LEGAL WORLD MATTER IN THE REAL WORLD, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T UNTIL PEOPLE DISAGREE AND THEN IT DOES.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE CHALLENGE IS THERE'S NO SPECIFICITY IN HERE THAT SAYS I HAVE TO EMAIL TO GET ENLIST.

IF I'M THAT PASSIONATE ABOUT IT, I CAN JUST TRY TO KNEECAP YOU AND SEND IT TO GIVE IT TO JESSE AND SAY, HEY, PUT ME IN LINE FIRST, AND THEN NOW HE'S IN THE MIDDLE WHERE HE'S LIKE, WELL, I GOT AN EMAIL AND I TOLD THE MAYOR I'D PUT HIS DOWN, I FORGOT I LEFT, I LOST A POST-IT NOTE.

AND SO IT JUST THAT SOUNDS LIKE A TIME FACTOR, LIKE THEY WOULD SAY.

YOU CAN GET IN. YEAH, YEAH.

NO, IT'S. I MEAN, WE'RE GOOD.

I'M JUST. I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SCENARIO OF WHY THESE THINGS GET GET OUT OF WHACK IN A HURRY.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MELTZER. YEAH.

I'M HAPPY TO START OUT WITH THIS NOTION OF KIND OF TIMESTAMP ON EMAIL.

IT GIVES THE ORDER OF BALLOT ORDER, LET'S SAY, AS YOU GO THROUGH ONE AT A TIME AND VOTE UP OR DOWN.

THE PART THAT'S THAT WE'RE THAT I'M CONSCIOUS THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY ADDRESSING WAS REALLY THE ANXIETY THAT I HEARD THE CITY MANAGER EXPRESS, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE COULD BE SIX PEOPLE TO VET.

YOU KNOW, THAT MULTIPLYING THE VETTING TASKS, I THINK THAT IS MY MY WAGER IS THAT THAT'S MORE OF A FEAR THAN A REALITY.

I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE BEATING DOWN THE DOOR TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE WOULDN'T PROBABLY EVEN BE TALKING ABOUT THIS AT ALL IF THERE WERE LOTS OF PEOPLE ASKING TO BE NOMINATED.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR, AND WE CAN REVISIT IT IF IT TURNS OUT NOT TO BE TRUE.

SO I WOULD ALIGN WITH THE TAKE THEM IN SUBMISSION ORDER.

THAT WOULD BE THE SORT OF BALLOT ORDER AND VOTE UP AND DOWN ON EACH ONE.

OKAY, NICK. WE'RE GOOD.

WE'RE ALMOST DONE.

WHAT HAPPENS IF THE ORIGINAL COUNCIL MEMBER NOMINATES? BUT COUNCIL DOES NOT APPOINT SHOULD THE 90 DAYS START AGAIN? OKAY. COUNCILMAN.

MELTZER. MY ANSWER IS YES.

OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER EXCEPTION, RIGHT? YOU'RE WITH ME. GOT IT.

COUNCILMAN. BYRD. YES.

COUNCILMAN. YES.

COUNCILMAN. MCGEE? YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. HARLAN. YES.

AND MAYOR PRO TEM? YES. OKAY.

OKAY. SHOULD THERE BE A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF NOMINATIONS, SUBSTITUTE NOMINATIONS THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER CAN MAKE? AND DOES A SUBSTITUTE NOMINATION THAT DOESN'T GET APPOINTED COUNT TOWARD THAT MAXIMUM.

SO ESSENTIALLY, ARE WE COUNTING NOMINATIONS OR SUCCESSFUL APPOINTMENTS IN A MAXIMUM? OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM THIS IS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

I DON'T THINK I THINK THE THE POINT OF IT IS TO NOT HAVE A ONE PARTICULAR COUNCILOR DOMINATE THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, WHICH IS A FAIR I, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER.

SO I'M GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE WHAT'S HALF OF US THREE? SO I'M GOING TO SAY THREE.

THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT A GOOD ANSWER.

BUT SO I'M WILLING AND OPENING TO CHANGING MY MIND IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A BETTER NUMBER I, YOU KNOW I'M, I'M, I'M COGNIZANT OF THE FACT

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I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THREE UNTIL I HEAR SOMETHING BETTER THAN BECAUSE THAT'S SLIGHTLY LESS THAN HALF OF THE COUNCIL SUBSTITUTE NOMINATION THAT FAILS.

DOES THAT COUNT YES OR NO? NO. NO, I THINK THAT THAT THAT IT FAILED.

SO IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER FAILURE, COUNCILOR HOLLAND.

NO. AND AND IF AND IF NO, IT MAKES A SECOND BULLET POINT MOOT.

SO YOU'RE SAYING. OKAY.

GOT IT. COUNCIL MEMBER. MCGEE.

FIRST QUESTION TWO.

SECOND QUESTION. NO.

COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S. SO THIS POLICY WOULD APPLY TO ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY.

IS THAT RIGHT? ALL OF THEM.

OKAY. SO MY RATIONALE IS THAT ON EACH BOARD AND COMMISSION, EACH COUNCIL MEMBER ALREADY HAS ONE NOMINATION ANYWAY.

AND SO I THINK THEY SHOULD BE RESTRICTED TO THAT PARTICULAR BOARD OR COMMISSION WHERE THEY'RE MAKING THAT SUBSTITUTE NOMINATION TO ONLY ONE ADDITIONAL ONE.

BECAUSE IF THERE'S TWO, THEN THAT MEANS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WILL HAVE THREE PEOPLE THAT THEY'VE NOMINATED ON, TYPICALLY A SEVEN MEMBER BOARD, WHICH IS ALMOST CLOSE TO HALF OF IT.

SO THAT SO THAT MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SUBSTITUTE NOMINATIONS TO ME, THAT'S MORE PER ITEMIZED BOARD OR COMMISSION. IT'S NOT A TOTAL OF IT'S OKAY FOR THIS BOARD.

YOU GET ONE EXTRA FOR THIS BOARD YOU GET.

SO YOU COULD IF YOU NOMINATED ON 20 BOARDS YOU'RE ONE.

YOU'LL HAVE 20 SUBSTITUTE NOMINATIONS.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL SEPARATE.

SO I THINK IT GOES BY THE BOARD OR COMMISSION, NOT THE AGGREGATE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S MY I JUST SAY ONE.

OKAY. AND FAILED COUNTS OR NO.

IT DOES NOT COUNT. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER. BYRD. I'M GOING TO SAY NO FOR BOTH OF THEM.

AND MY REASONING IS THAT THESE PEOPLE ON THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THEY COME AND GO.

WE'RE VETTING AND ASKING AND PUTTING.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE YEAR.

YOU KNOW, THEY JUST DON'T STEP IN IN AUGUST AND THEN THEY'RE DONE IN AUGUST.

IT JUST DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.

SO I AND WITH THAT BEING SAID THAT'S MY REASONING FOR SAYING NO AND NO.

COUNCILMAN MELTZER I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER WHAT'S JAMMING IN MANY GOOD POINTS IN HIS REMAINING MEETINGS.

SO THANKS FOR JUST BEGUN.

YEAH, YEAH, I HADN'T THOUGHT OF THAT APPROACH, AND I LIKE IT.

THE LIMIT BEING ONE ADDITIONAL PER BOARD, NOT A NOT A TOTAL MAXIMUM.

AND THEREFORE SECOND POINT.

OH AND SECOND POINT WOULD BE.

NO, IF IT DOESN'T IF THE NOMINATION DOESN'T SUCCEED, THEN IT DOESN'T COUNT TOWARD THAT.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

WELL. COUNCILWOMAN MCGEE.

SOMETIMES YOU GOT TO PRAY, DON'T YOU? THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS.

I WAS THINKING TWO TOTAL.

SO PUT ME DOWN FOR ONE ADDITIONAL.

SO YOUR NOMINEE, PLUS ONE ADDITIONAL WITH A TOTAL OF TWO.

SO I'M LINING UP WHERE HE IS.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MAYOR PRO TEM.

I'M ALSO DOING THE SAME. I'M LINING UP WITH COUNCILOR WATTS'S IDEA OF ONE ADDITIONAL.

OKAY. STILL NO ONE.

OKAY. AND AFTER COUNCIL ADOPTS THESE REGULATIONS, WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE THE 90 DAY PERIOD TO BEGIN? WE CAN HAVE AN EFFECTIVE DATE AT YOUR DISCRETION.

AND THEN DO YOU WANT IT TO BE RETROACTIVE AND APPLY TO THE EXISTING VACANCIES? ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMAN MELTZER.

I THINK 30 DAYS THAT STAFF HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH NOTIFICATIONS.

AND, AND I WOULD SAY THAT IN EXISTING GREATER THAN 90 DAY VACANCY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE NEW RULE.

LIKE IN OTHER WORDS, IF SOMEBODY WHO'S ALREADY IF THERE'S A POSITION THAT'S ALREADY VACANT FOR 90 DAYS, ONCE THIS NEW RULE GOES INTO EFFECT, WHICH IS 30 DAYS AFTER PASSAGE THEN THIS WOULD KICK IN.

COUNCILMAN BYRD. YEAH.

30 DAYS.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WANT THIS TO BEGIN, SO WE CAN START MASSAGING IT AND THINKING ABOUT IT AND FINDING PEOPLE IF WE NEED TO RETROACTIVE.

I'M NOT REAL SURE IF WE NEED TO DO RETROACTIVE RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE POSSIBLE CHANGE OVER WITH OUR COUNCIL.

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SO I'M NOT GOING TO APPRECIATE THE RETROACTIVE PART.

COUNCILMAN NEED TO FEEL THE FEEL THE ROADS.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S 30 DAYS IS FINE.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RETROACTIVE QUESTION.

BECAUSE IF WHEN IT TAKES EFFECT, IT'S WHATEVER'S THE SNAPSHOT OF THE PHOTO AT THE TIME.

AND SO IF SOMEBODY HAD A 120 DAY HOLD OVER, THEN AFTER THE 30 DAYS, YOU GOT 90 DAYS.

I MEAN, IT JUST SHOULD START.

I DON'T KNOW IF RETROACTIVE MEANS TO ME THAT MEANS GOING BACK IN TIME AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

I THINK IT'S JUST AT THE 30 DAYS YOU CUT IT AND YOU START THE 90 DAYS FROM THERE, AND WHATEVER'S PRESENT IS WHAT'S PRESENT.

SO IF YOU HAVE A CURRENT VACANCY, YOU HAVE AND IT'S OVER 90 DAYS, IN 30 DAYS, SOMEONE COULD.

YES. REPLACE THEM.

YES. YES. OKAY. YEAH OKAY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE 30 DAYS RETROACTIVE.

YES OR NO? NO. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND 30 DAYS.

NO. MAYOR PRO TEM 30 DAYS? NO. OKAY, SO THEN IT'S JUST THAT ONE THING TO COME BACK WITH, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. YEAH.

AND JUST NEXT STEPS MAKING SURE THAT COUNCIL WOULD STILL LIKE TO PROCEED WITH US DRAFTING AN ORDINANCE.

YEAH, I THINK THE MAJORITY.

YES. YES, CERTAINLY.

I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE HER MORE ELEPHANTS, MAN, I KNOW IT.

YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELL DONE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH ME.

YOU HAVE THE LANGUAGE FOR THE CLOSE.

YEAH. NO WORRIES. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A CLOSED SESSION AND THEN THAT'LL BE IT FOR THE WORK SESSION.

[1. Closed Meeting:]

AND THEN WE'LL GOT TO GET THE ROOM SET.

SO YOU'RE GOOD. YES.

SO THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW AT 4:26 P.M., CONVENE IN CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE THE CLOSED MEETING ITEM SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING ITEM A ID 24659.

CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS ON THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.071.

AND WE'LL SET. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL.

TODAY IS AUGUST, APRIL THE 2ND, 2024.

[AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED:]

FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS PLEDGES TO THE UNITED STATES AND TEXAS FLAGS.

PLEASE STAND WITH ME IF YOU'RE ABLE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS.

ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

AND THEN WE HAVE FOUR PROCLAMATIONS.

BEFORE I DO THAT, THOUGH, I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO MY FRIEND.

SO THIS IS MY BUDDY THAT SIGNED THIS BALL.

SO RICKY HILL, THERE'S A MOVIE CALLED THE HILL ON AMAZON BASED ON A TRUE STORY.

I'M GETTING TO KNOW HIM AND HAD LUNCH WITH HIM AND SOME OTHER FRIENDS IN AUSTIN JACKSON.

SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE HIM A SHOUT OUT, LET HIM KNOW HE'S UP HERE WITH ME HANGING OUT.

AND HE'S AN AMAZING GUY.

AND SO IT'S IT'S A REALLY COOL STORY.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT SO THAT I CAN SHARE THAT WITH HIM.

FIRST UP ON PROCLAMATION WISE IS THE IS A PROCLAMATION FOR CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION MONTH.

[2. PROCLAMATIONS/PRESENTATIONS]

GOOD TO SEE YOU. YES.

FOR SURE. GREAT TO SEE YOU.

YES, SIR. OKAY, HERE WE GO.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

VERY IMPORTANT. DO YOU WANT TO MENTION WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE RECOGNIZING AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF? ABSOLUTELY. I'M DEBBIE JENSEN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR CASA OF DENTON COUNTY.

AND WE RECRUIT, TRAIN AND SUPPORT HUNDREDS OF LOCAL ADULTS TO HELP SPEAK ON BEHALF OF CHILDREN AND THE CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM.

AND 200 OF THOSE KIDS WERE FROM DENTON, THE CITY OF DENTON, LAST YEAR.

SO WE NEED MORE CASES ALL THE TIME.

AND THIS MONTH, WE JUST ASK YOU TO REMEMBER THAT CHILDREN ARE OUR MOST PRECIOUS RESOURCE AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT THEM.

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OKAY. GOT IT.

AND SO AND LET ME, LET ME DO THIS.

WHERE DO PEOPLE GO IF THEY WANT TO SIGN UP OR LEARN MORE ABOUT VOLUNTEERING TO SIGN UPS? CASA DENTON. ORG.

PERFECT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. IT'S A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME.

GREETINGS. WHEREAS THERE WERE 550 CHILDREN AFFECTED BY ABUSE AND NEGLECT.

SERVED BY CASA ON DENTON COUNTY OF DENTON COUNTY IN 2023.

AND WHEREAS MORE THAN 240 VOLUNTEERS FROM DENTON COUNTY WORK WITH ORGANIZATIONS ANNUALLY BY GIVING THEIR TIME TO ENSURE SAFETY FOR OUR COMMUNITY'S CHILDREN. AND WHEREAS OUR YOUNGEST, OUR YOUNGEST CITIZENS NEED AND DESERVE TO BE SURROUNDED BY LOVE AND POSITIVE RELATIONSHIPS WHILE BEING GIVEN GUIDANCE AND PROTECTION.

AND NOW, THEREFORE, I.

I IN HONOR OF ALL CHILDREN IN DENTON COUNTY, I GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM APRIL 2024 AS CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION MONTH IN THE CITY OF DENTON AND WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THE WORK OF CASA OF DENTON, DENTON COUNTY VOLUNTEERS AND STAFF IN ADVOCATING FOR CHILDREN.

IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A HAND. PITCHER.

ALL RIGHT. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

AND ARE THEY LEFT? I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. LET'S SEE WHAT THIS IS.

HEY, HOW ARE YOU DOING? YOU WANT TO SAY HELLO? NO. OKAY.

AWESOME. OKAY.

SO WE'RE RECOGNIZING NATIONAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WEEK, RIGHT? SO YOU WANT TO LOSE.

OKAY. I'M THE LUCKY, LUCKY ONE.

OKAY. WELL, WE'RE HERE TO RECOGNIZE NOT ONLY NATIONAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WEEK, BUT THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDING, OR CDBG, WHICH IS FEDERAL FUNDING THAT'S PASSED DOWN TO COMMUNITIES TO HELP WITH THINGS LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SOCIAL SERVICES, PUBLIC FACILITIES AND PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.

SO THIS IS THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY FOR THE PROGRAM NATIONALLY.

AND DENTON HAS HAD THOSE FUNDS IN THE COMMUNITY FOR 40 OF THOSE YEARS.

I WON'T TELL YOU HOW LONG LUIS HAS BEEN AROUND TO HELP US ADMINISTER THEM, BUT IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

AND SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL ABOUT THE CITY OF DENTON.

IS THAT YEARS AGO, OUR COUNCIL ACTUALLY VOTED TO APPROVE SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING TO THE CDBG DOLLARS.

SO IN ADDITION TO THE DOLLARS THAT COME TO COME TO US FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, OR HUD THE CITY OF DENTON PROVIDES ADDITIONAL GENERAL FUND DOLLARS TO SUPPORT SOCIAL SERVICES, CRUCIAL SOCIAL SERVICES.

FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE SERVICES THROUGH CASA THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT JUST BEFORE THIS.

SO WE'RE GLAD TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO CELEBRATE THAT WITH ALL OF YOU.

OKAY. ANYTHING. OKAY.

GOT IT. ANYTHING? NO, SIR.

OKAY. GOT IT. I STARTED PROBABLY WHEN I WAS IN MY TEENS.

OKAY. YES. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.

WELL, IT'S IMPORTANT WORK.

AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS, THE CDBG PROCESS, THEY YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION AND THEN YOU THEY EVALUATE THOSE APPLICATIONS, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO COME IN AND MAKE LIKE A FIVE MINUTE PITCH TO YOUR FOR YOUR PROJECT AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT TO THE BOARD.

AND THEN THEY MAKE A DECISION AND ALLOCATE THOSE DOLLARS.

SO IT'S A IT'S A REALLY GOOD PROCESS, VERY THOROUGH PROCESS.

SO THANKS TO EVERYONE.

EVERYONE THAT HAS A ROLE IN THAT.

AND THIS IS A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME.

GREETINGS. WHEREAS APRIL 1ST THROUGH APRIL 5TH HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS NATIONAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WEEK TO CELEBRATE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM, NOW IN ITS 50TH 50TH YEAR, AND THE HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM IN ITS 34TH YEAR. AND WHEREAS, THE CITY OF DENTON HAS RECEIVED $36.9 MILLION FROM THE CDBG PROGRAM SINCE 1984 AND $14.6 MILLION FROM THE HOME PROGRAM SINCE 1994.

AND WHEREAS THE CDBG PROGRAM PROVIDES ANNUAL FUNDING AND FLEXIBILITY TO LOCAL COMMUNITIES LIKE THE CITY OF DENTON TO PROVIDE DECENT, SAFE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, A SUITABLE LIVING ENVIRONMENT, AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES TO LOW AND MODERATE INCOME COMMUNITIES.

AND WHEREAS, THE HOME PROGRAM PROVIDES FUNDING TO CREATE AND PRESERVE DECENT, SAFE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOW INCOME PERSONS.

AND WHEREAS CDBG AND HOME ARE FOSTER A STRONG NETWORK AMONG LOCAL GOVERNMENT, RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS WORKING TO MEET THE

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GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THIS WEEK, APRIL 1ST THROUGH APRIL 5TH AS 2000 APRIL 5TH, 2024 AS NATIONAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WEEK.

IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A HAND. SHE HAS A FULL.

OH. HOW SWEET.

AWESOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH I APPRECIATE IT.

YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

YES. I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.

YES. OKAY.

NEXT WE HAVE THOSE HERE TO RECOGNIZE THE CITY OF DENTON FLEET SERVICES.

HEY, HOW ARE YOU? OKAY.

YEAH. TELL US WHAT WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO FLEET SERVICES IS ACHIEVED.

THEIR BLUE SEAL OF EXCELLENCE.

ONCE AGAIN. WE'VE HAD IT SEVERAL YEARS IN THE PAST.

WE KIND OF WENT A LITTLE LOW FOR A WHILE, AND NOW WE'RE BACK AT IT.

THAT WAS AWARDED TO US THIS YEAR.

AND I WANT TO MENTION, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE RECEIVED THIS REWARD, WE HAVE NOT LET UP ON THE THROTTLE.

WE'VE WE'VE KEPT IT DOWN.

OUR OUR TECHNICIANS ARE STILL GETTING CERTIFICATIONS AND CONTINUING TO DRIVE TOWARDS EXCELLENCE AND SHOW THEIR DEDICATION TO BEING GREAT TECHNICIANS.

OKAY. IT LOOKS LIKE WE GOT SOME SOME FOLKS HERE.

INTRODUCE YOURSELVES. PLEASE LET US KNOW WHAT YOU DO.

I'M PATRICK SHAW ATE, SUPERVISOR FOR FLEET SERVICES.

JOHN CARNELL, AV TECHNICIAN FOR FLEET SERVICES.

BRADLEY BOUDRY, EMERGENCY VEHICLE TECHNICIAN.

ROBIN MELENDEZ MARTIN, ADMINISTRATIVE MANAGER FOR FLEET AND FACILITIES.

STEVE ROBERTS, QUALITY ASSURANCE FOR FLEET.

SAL SPINELLI, FLEET SUPERVISOR.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH, A FEW MORE.

YEAH. FOR SURE. APPRECIATE IT.

YEAH. DAVE MCKENNA, MANAGER OVER AT FLEET SERVICES.

RANDY TUNELL, FLEET SERVICE MANAGER.

AND GREG FORD, FLEET SUPERVISOR.

SO DO YOU KNOW ROUND NUMBERS? HOW MANY CARS WE HAVE? I THINK IT'S IN HERE AS WELL IF YOU DON'T.

BUT I WAS JUST. WE HAVE JUST OVER 1300 ASSETS.

1300. OKAY. GOT IT.

SO IF I JUST PUT, LIKE A CITY OF DENTON STICKER ON MY OLD TRUCK, YOU THINK I COULD SLIP IT IN AND.

ALL RIGHT. NO, SIR. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY GREEN TRUCKS? WE DO HAVE SOME GREEN FLEET.

YES, SIR. THERE YOU GO.

YES, SIR. I'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW.

NO GREEN OR GREEN IN COLOR? NO. NO. GREEN. GREEN IS IN COLOR.

THAT'S FAIR. THAT'S FAIR.

YEAH. I'M GONNA TRY TO BLEND IN.

YEAH. OKAY. WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES.

SOMEBODY COME GET ME OUT OF JAIL.

ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO.

PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS.

TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME.

GREETINGS. THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE EXCELLENCE, OR ASE.

ITS MISSION IS TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF VEHICLE REPAIR AND SERVICE BY TESTING AND CERTIFYING AUTOMOTIVE PROFESSIONALS.

AND WHEREAS, ASE HAS CREATED THE BLUE SEAL OF EXCELLENCE RECOGNITION PROGRAM TO DISTINGUISH ORGANIZATIONS WHERE AT LEAST 75% OF TECHNICIANS PERFORMING DIAGNOSIS AND REPAIRS ARE ASE CERTIFIED, AND EACH AREA OF SERVICE OFFERED MUST, CAN, MUST BE COVERED BY AT LEAST ONE ASE CERTIFIED TECHNICIAN.

AND WHEREAS 78% OF THE CITY OF DENTON'S FLEET SERVICES TECHNICAL STAFF ARE ASE CERTIFIED IN EACH AREA OF SERVICE OFFERED, DEMONSTRATING STAFF STAFF'S COMMITMENT TO PROFESSIONALISM, OUTSTANDING CUSTOMER SERVICE AND ENSURING A SAFE AND ROADWORTHY MUNICIPAL FLEET.

AND WHEREAS, THE CITY OF DENTON'S FLEET SERVICE DEPARTMENT CONSISTS OF 32 EMPLOYEES PROVIDING SUPPORT FOR 1579 VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT, AND WHEREAS, THE CITY OF DENTON FLEET SERVICES OPERATES TWO FUELING SITES ELECTRIC VEHICLE ELECTRIC FIVE HYBRID AND THREE NATURAL GAS VEHICLES IN SUPPORT OF THE CITY OF DENTON'S PLEDGE TO DALLAS FORT WORTH.

CLEAN CITIES CLEAN FLEET INITIATIVE TO IMPROVE AIR QUALITY FOR THE CITIZENS OF NORTH TEXAS.

AND NOW, THEREFORE, I.

GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO RECOGNIZE THE CITY OF DENTON'S FLEET SERVICE DEPARTMENT AS THE RECIPIENT OF THE 2023 2024 ASC BLUE SEAL OF EXCELLENCE AWARD AND APPLAUD THEIR COMMITMENT TO EXTRAORDINARY SERVICE IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A HAND.

YEAH. YOU GOTTA.

I COULD SLIP BEHIND. ALL RIGHT.

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ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU SIR. HERE. YEAH. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. YES.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. AND THE LAST ONE WE HAVE IS THIS RIGHT? DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY.

YEAH. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE HERE FOR DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY INC.

DAY, YOU CAN YOU CAN COME ON DOWN.

OKAY. WHO? YOU OKAY? OKAY.

GOOD EVENING. I'M CLEO BECHLER, PRESIDENT OF THE DENTON COUNTY ALUMNAE CHAPTER OF DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY, INCORPORATED.

AND WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE ARE EXCITED BECAUSE WE JUST CELEBRATED 25 YEARS OF PUTTING ON A WOMEN'S SYMPOSIUM THAT EMPOWERS WOMEN.

SO WE ARE SO EXCITED.

WE HAD OUR EVENT ON SATURDAY AT THE GATEWAY CENTER AT UNT, AND WE SPOKE ON TOPICS RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH, AND SOCIAL ACTION.

SO YEAR AFTER YEAR, WE PROVIDE INFORMATION THAT EMPOWER WOMEN, THAT PROVIDE RESOURCES.

AND THIS YEAR WE'RE EXCITED BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE APPROXIMATELY 300 ITEMS TO DENT COUNTY FRIENDS OF THE FAMILY TO ASSIST THEM.

AND OVER THE YEARS, WE MADE DONATIONS TO OUR CHARITABLE PARTNERS LIKE AMERICAN DIABETES ASSOCIATION, AMERICAN RED CROSS, ETC.

SO WE DO A LOT OF THINGS IN THE DENTON COUNTY COMMUNITY, AND WE WANTED TO CELEBRATE ALL THAT WE'VE DONE FOR WOMEN AND THE DENTON COUNTY COMMUNITY WITH OUR OTHER PROGRAMS AS WELL.

AND YES, EVERYONE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES OR.

SURE. MY NAME IS LEMOINE JONES.

I'M RITA OLIVER, JEANETTE CALLOWAY, JAMILA BROWN.

LEMOYNE JONES, SECOND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CHAPTER.

LOVE IT, LOVE IT.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, I'M VAL MORGAN.

AND I'M RONNIE PEGRAM AND I'M VICKI BYRD, A CHARTER MEMBER.

I'VE BEEN A PRESIDENCY BEFORE, AND NOW I'M SITTING ON THE CITY COUNCIL.

WOOHOO! OKAY.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THIS IS A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME.

GREETINGS. WHEREAS DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY, INC., WHOSE PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE AND SUPPORT IN LOCAL COMMUNITIES.

AND WHEREAS SINCE ITS FOUNDING IN 1913, THEY HAVE CLEARLY DISTINGUISHED THEMSELVES AS AN ORGANIZATION THAT BOLDLY CONFRONTS THE CHALLENGES OF AFRICAN AMERICANS PROVIDING SERVICE INITIATIVES.

AND WHEREAS, EXERCISE AND VISION TO ESTABLISH AND PROMOTE PROGRAMS THAT INCLUDE SUPPORT, SCHOLARSHIPS AND SERVICE TO GREATER DENTON COUNTY.

14 WOMEN LED THE CHARGE FOR THE CHARTER OF DENTON COUNTY ALUMNI CHAPTER ON MARCH 25TH, 1995, AND WHEREAS THIS YEAR, DC AC CELEBRATES OUR 20 CELEBRATED THEIR 25TH ANNUAL WOMEN'S PODIUM SYMPOSIUM.

DESIGN DOES PARDON ME, DESIGNED TO OFFER RESOURCES TO EMPOWER, EDUCATE AND RECOGNIZE WOMEN IN DENTON COUNTY.

AND WHEREAS, THE DENTON COUNTY ALUMNI CHAPTER OF DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY, INC.

WILL CELEBRATE CELEBRATED ITS 25TH YEAR OF PROVIDING ANNUAL WOMEN'S SYMPOSIUM IN DENTON COUNTY ON MARCH 30TH, 2024.

NOW, THEREFORE, I GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THE 30TH DAY OF MARCH 2024 AS DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY, INC. DAY.

IF WE GIVE THEM A HAND. YEAH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

ASK HIM TO PLAY THAT.

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[3. PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC]

THESE RULES WERE ENACTED TO PROMOTE AN ORDERLY PROCESS AND TO PRESERVE DECORUM.

SPEAKERS WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE A SCHEDULED REPORT AND FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE AN OPEN MIC REPORT.

A BELL WILL RING WHEN TIME IS EXPIRED.

IF THE REMARKS ARE NOT CONCLUDED BY THAT TIME, THE SPEAKER WILL BE ASKED TO STOP SPEAKING.

IF THE SPEAKER DOES NOT CEASE AND THE SECOND REQUEST IS MADE, THE MAYOR MAY REQUEST TO HAVE THE SPEAKER REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER.

SPEAKERS SHOULD NOT APPROACH THE DAIS.

IF A SPEAKER HAS MATERIALS FOR THE COUNCIL, PLEASE NOTIFY THE CITY SECRETARY IN ADVANCE.

FOR SCHEDULED REPORTS, THE COUNCIL MAY INITIATE DISCUSSION OR ASK QUESTIONS.

FOR NONSCHEDULED OPEN MIC REPORTS, THE COUNCIL MAY LISTEN, HOWEVER, BECAUSE NO NOTICE OF THE SUBJECT OF THE OPEN MIC REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC IN ADVANCE.

THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR DECISION BY THE COUNCIL ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS. AS A RESULT, THE COUNCIL MAY ONLY PROCEED AS FOLLOWS ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS PROPOSED TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

MAKE A STATEMENT OF FACTUAL POLICY OR A RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY.

SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO DIRECT ALL REMARKS AND QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE, AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER.

PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MAKING ABUSIVE, PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE, OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS.

ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE MAY BE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER.

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.

COPIES OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY SECRETARY.

GREAT. THANK YOU. THE FIRST SPEAKER IS MR. STEVEN DILLENBURG.

IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

IF YOU WOULD. YOU WANT ME TO START THIS VIDEO? WHAT IS THAT? LAST TIME YOU COULDN'T HEAR IT.

SOUNDS.

SO MY MOM WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT, SO I'M GOING TO DO I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE HER WHOLE FOUR MINUTES, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY WHAT SHE WAS GOING TO SAY. YOU I MEAN, RESET IT.

YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES, SO I CAN'T I CAN'T GO, I CAN'T TAKE A PART OF HER TIME THAT SHE WAS ABSOLUTELY NOT.

NO, NO, SHE CAN'T GIVE ME HER TIME.

NO, NOT AT ALL. BUT I APPRECIATE YOU ASKING.

SO YOU'LL HAVE YOUR FOUR MINUTES.

YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT MOVING.

WHY DON'T WE START AS SOON AS THE VIDEO STARTS WITH THE FOUR MINUTES? SURE. WE GOT YOU.

OH. THAT I WILL TEMPORARILY CLOSE MY CLINIC.

NOT ONLY WERE THE LIVES OF DEEPEST AND DEEPEST AND GREATEST REGRET, THAT I INFORM MY PATIENTS THAT I WILL TEMPORARILY CLOSE MY CLINIC. NOT ONLY WERE THE LIVES OF MY CHILDREN AND PATIENTS WERE THREATENED TODAY, BUT MINE AS WELL.

I WAS ALSO TOLD THAT IF MY OUTPATIENT CLINIC IS STILL OPEN TOMORROW, THAT I WILL BE ARRESTED AND MY LICENSE TO PRACTICE MEDICINE WILL BE REVOKED.

IF SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS TO ME.

THE VIDEO.

IT'S NOT THE ONE THAT I SENT.

WAS A MINUTE AND 25 LONG.

THIS IS A MINUTE AND 23, AND THE SOUND IS OUT OF SYNC WITH THE VIDEO, SO IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO.

BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS MODIFIED OR SOMETHING.

I GUESS WE'LL PLAY IT.

IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS DOCTOR WAS WEEPING, RECITING THE 23RD PSALM AFTER HAVING BEEN AFTER HAVING GOTTEN DEATH THREATS AND THEN TOLD BY THE FDA THAT IF SHE WAS OPEN THE FOLLOWING DAY, SHE WAS GOING TO BE SHUT DOWN AND HER HER LICENSE TO PRACTICE MEDICINE WAS GOING TO BE REVOKED.

WE. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT I FOUGHT FOR MY FELLOW FILIPINOS TO HAVE CHOICES IN THEIR HEALTH CARE.

I LOVE MY PATIENTS SO MUCH.

I HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER TO THE SICK WITHOUT MY INVENTIONS.

EVERYTHING NOW, FROM THIS DAY ON IS IN THE HANDS OF THE LORD.

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PSALM 23 SAYS, EVEN THOUGH I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF THE SHADOW OF DEATH, I WILL FEAR NO EVIL, FOR YOU ARE WITH ME, YOUR ROD AND YOUR STAFF, THEY COMFORT ME.

MY FACEBOOK ACCOUNT WILL STILL BE OPEN AND MY BOOK WILL STILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE MASSES.

I WILL STILL CONTINUE TO GUIDE THE SICK THROUGH MY ADVISERS, AND I'M STILL AVAILABLE FOR CONVENTIONS.

AT LAST, I WANT MY SUPPORTERS TO KNOW THAT IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PLEASURE TO SERVE THE SICK.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

SO THIS SOME OF YOU GUYS WILL RECOGNIZE.

PROBABLY MOST OF YOU WILL.

THIS WAS THAT I PRESENTED TO YOU GUYS THE FIRST TIME I WAS HERE IN NOVEMBER OR NOVEMBER 16TH, 2021.

THIS IS EVIDENCE THAT IT'S ABOUT 20 SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES THAT SHOW HOW SCIENCE IS BEING MANIPULATED IN ORDER TO NOT STUDY CERTAIN THINGS.

THE GRAPH IN THIS MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IF WE COULD PUT THIS ON THE DOCUMENT CAM HERE.

AND WHAT IS IT? IT'S A REPORT. YEAH.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE.

OKAY. MAYBE I CAN ZOOM IN.

I WOULD HOPE SO. CAN WE ZOOM IN? YEAH. FOCUS ON IT.

GIVE HIM A SECOND. YOU CAN GO AHEAD THOUGH, BECAUSE OKAY, SO BASICALLY THIS IS I MEAN, A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS AND THIS IS WHAT'S PRESENTED AS THE DATA.

BUT IT'S BASED ON ONE SINGLE OUTLIER THAT THIS IS SHOWING THAT IT WAS NOT EFFICACIOUS BY ITSELF.

I HAVE A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE AND BIOLOGY DOUBLE MINOR IN CHEMISTRY IN SPANISH, SO I'M FAIRLY WELL ABLE TO READ SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES.

AND SO I WENT AHEAD AND I READ THE ACTUAL BODY AND THE CONTENT OF IT, AND IT SHOWED THAT ONE SINGLE OUTLIER CAUSED THIS ANOMALY.

AND SO IT WOULD HAVE IT SHOWED PROMISE IN FOUR OF FIVE OF THE FENBENDAZOLE ONLY GROUP.

THIS WORKED. BUT THE GRAPH SAYS AND THE CONCLUSION SAYS AND THE ABSTRACT SAYS IT DOESN'T WORK TO CURE CANCER.

THIS DOCTOR WAS SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO SHUT HER DOWN AND SHE GOT DEATH THREATS FOR CURING CANCER.

WHY CAN'T WE CURE CANCER? YOU GUYS WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE REAL CANCER IS? THEM REFUSING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS STUFF.

AND IT'S BEEN LITERALLY TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

IT'S KILLED MY BROTHER'S WIFE, KILLED MY BEST FRIEND'S DAD, WHICH ENDED UP KILLING MY BEST FRIEND, TOO.

SO. AND THAT'S YOUR TIME? YEAH, OF COURSE IT IS.

THANK YOU. NEXT IS DANA DILLENBURG.

YEAH, THAT'S MY MOM. WE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT.

WELL, I GOT A I.

I JUST GOT TO MAKE A RECORD.

RIGHT. LIKE I GOT A JOB TO DO.

WORK WITH ME. GOT IT? YES, PLEASE, I APPRECIATE YOU.

NEXT JEFF BAR.

THIS LOOKS JUST LIKE. JEFF BARR.

LEADERSHIP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO SOUTH.

IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ED SOPH.

I LIVE AT 1620 VICTORIA DRIVE IN DENTON.

THE GREENHOUSE GASES THAT ARE DISRUPTING THE EARTH'S CLIMATE ARE INVISIBLE.

BUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR DISRUPTION BECOME MORE EVIDENT EVERY DAY.

INCREASINGLY POWERFUL AND DESTRUCTIVE STORMS AND FLOODS, LONGER AND MORE DEADLY HEAT WAVES AND DROUGHTS AND DEVASTATING ECONOMIC COSTS THAT ARE HARBINGERS OF WHAT IS IN STORE FOR ALL OF US IF WE DO NOT DRASTICALLY REDUCE THOSE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, BOTH AT HOME AND GLOBALLY.

WITHOUT ACTION, WE ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM, NOT THE SOLUTION.

INACTION AND DELAY ENSURE THAT OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN WILL INHERIT AN ENVIRONMENT THAT ENDANGERS THEIR HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELL-BEING. WITH INACTION, THE MASSIVE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT FORECAST FOR DENTON COUNTY WILL BRING US TO A POINT OF NO RETURN WHERE SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS ARE FUTILE.

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CONTINUING BUSINESS AS USUAL.

DENTON'S FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL INHERIT A COMMUNITY LESS RESILIENT AND LIVABLE.

THIS IS THE REALITY OF OUR CURRENT SITUATION.

THAT REALITY DEMANDS TIMELY ADAPTATION AND MITIGATION MEASURES TO LESSEN THE ECONOMIC, ENVIRONMENTAL, AND SOCIETAL OF CLIMATE CHANGE. COUNCIL APPROVED THE CREATION OF A CLIMATE ACTION AND ADAPTATION PLAN, AND THAT DRAFT PLAN WAS COMPLETED IN JULY OF 2023. IT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AND BRIEFLY DISCUSSED ON OCTOBER 24TH OF LAST YEAR, SIX MONTHS AGO.

SINCE THAT CURSORY DISCUSSION, THERE HAS BEEN NO FURTHER PUBLIC DISCUSSION OR ACTION.

INACTION WILL COST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH HOTTER SUMMERS.

CITY INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS ROADS, BRIDGES, VEHICLES, RESERVOIRS, ENERGY GENERATORS AND WATER QUALITY WILL BE THREATENED.

OUR PARKS AND SPORTS FIELDS AS WE KNOW THEM, WILL DISAPPEAR, AND THE COSTS OF INACTION WILL BE PASSED ON TO THE RESIDENTS.

HOWEVER, TIMELY ACTION, IN ADDITION TO REDUCING DENTON'S CARBON EMISSIONS, WILL SAVE THE CITY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, STIMULATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CREATE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND MAKE TRANSPORTATION SAFER AND HEALTHIER.

THE DISCUSSION AND ADOPTION OF THE CLIMATE ACTION AND ADAPTATION PLAN MUST BE EXPEDITED.

THE CITY CANNOT AFFORD TO RELY ON SHORT TERM PLANNING AND THINKING FOR A LONG RANGE PROBLEM SUCH AS CLIMATE CHANGE, ITS CAUSES AND ITS COSTS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. NEXT IS MELINDA.

YEAH. MELINDA.

PRESTON. IF YOU COULD GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL.

I DID WANT TO TALK TONIGHT ABOUT AN ISSUE.

I CAN SEE IT'S GOING TO BE VERY POPULAR TONIGHT.

IN 2005, ISRAELIS WERE FORCED TO LEAVE THE GAZA STRIP.

THESE FAMILIES LEFT THEIR BUSINESSES AND HOMES.

THE THOUGHT WAS THE PALESTINIANS WOULD TAKE OVER THESE BUSINESSES AND THEY WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL.

UNFORTUNATELY, HAMAS CAME INTO POLITICAL POWER AND HAMAS BURNED THE BUSINESSES AND KILLED ANYONE WHO RAN AGAINST THEM FOR POLITICAL POWER.

REVENGE KILLING.

HAMAS DID SO BY THROWING THEM OFF BUILDINGS, BEATING THEM AND SHOOTING THEM.

THIS, OF COURSE, WAS TO INSTILL FEAR IN THE PALESTINIANS SO NO ONE WOULD TRY TO REVOLT AGAINST THEM.

HAMAS IS A TERRORIST GROUP WHO HAVE CRUELLY GOVERNED IN GAZA.

THEY HAVE TAKEN MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE TO LINE THEIR POCKETS AND HAVE TAKEN AID THAT IS MEANT TO HELP THE PALESTINIANS AND SOLD IT TO AND SOLD IT AGAIN TO LINE THEIR POCKETS. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.

THEY ARE CRUEL AND INHUMANE AND USE THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE AS HUMAN SHIELDS.

THEY HAVE MISFIRED ROCKETS THAT WERE MEANT FOR ISRAEL AND HAVE KILLED MANY OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.

HAMAS INVADED ISRAEL ON OCTOBER 7TH, MURDERING 160 PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO HAD NO WAY OF DEFENDING THEMSELVES.

THEY WERE BRUTALLY THEY BRUTALLY KILLED THEM.

HAMAS TOOK MORE THAN 200 HOSTAGES FROM ISRAEL.

THERE ARE STILL 134 HOSTAGES IN GAZA TODAY.

ISRAEL HAS NO DESIRE FOR PROPORTIONAL RESPONSE.

THEY HAVE TRIED TO GET THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE OUT OF GAZA, BUT HAMAS HAS BLOCKED AND EVEN MURDERED THOSE TRYING TO ESCAPE.

HAMAS HAS PUT THEIR COMMAND CENTER BELOW THE SHIFA HOSPITAL.

WHO WOULD DO SUCH A THING? AGAIN, HAMAS IS A CRUEL AND INHUMANE ORGANIZATION.

THE ONLY HOPE FOR GOD IS TO REMOVE HAMAS AND BRING FREEDOM TO THE PALESTINIANS.

IN THE ISRAEL DEFENSE FORCE, THERE ARE MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS AND EVEN DRUZE FIGHTING TOGETHER TO REMOVE HAMAS.

ISRAEL IS NOT TRYING TO DESTROY GAZA, BUT TRYING TO FREE GAZA FROM TYRANNICAL CONTROL.

HAMAS HAS SAID OVER AND OVER THAT IF THEY ARE ALIVE, HAMAS, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO TO WORK TO DESTROY ISRAEL WITH MORE OCTOBER 7TH EVENTS.

ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT AND THE DUTY TO PROTECT THEIR PEOPLE, AND TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING BRUTALLY DESTROYED IN GAZA

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WE WERE BROUGHT TO THE ISRAELI EMBASSY TO SEE FOOTAGE OF WHAT REALLY HAPPENED DURING OCTOBER 7TH.

NOW GUYS, I MY HUSBAND IS IN THE MILITARY.

I HAVE SEVEN KIDS.

I'VE SEEN SOME STUFF, BUT I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE WHAT I SAW THAT NIGHT.

WHAT WE SAW WAS THE BRUTALITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT EVEN.

I CAN'T BE HUMAN.

THEY'RE SO CRUEL.

WE SAW GIRLS IN A ROOM THAT WERE THAT WERE TRYING TO HIDE TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.

THEY WERE RAPED, THEY WERE MURDERED.

AND THE HAMAS SOLDIERS TOOK THEIR PHONES AND RECORDED IT SO.

AND PUT IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA LIVE SO THAT EVERYBODY COULD WATCH THEM BEING BRUTALLY RAPED AND MURDERED.

WE SAW BODIES BEING BURNED, BURNED ALIVE.

WE SAW SO MUCH.

THERE WAS SO MUCH GOING ON, AND THESE WERE LIVE CAMERAS THAT THEY WERE WEARING.

NOW LISTEN, NOT LIES.

THEY ACTUALLY PUT IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE.

THEY WERE CELEBRATING THROUGH THE STREETS.

BUT THE CRAZIER PART WAS WOMEN WERE NOT ALLOWED TO BE.

IF YOU WATCH THE FOOTAGE, NOT ONE WOMAN WAS ALLOWED OUT.

I'M A WOMAN. NOT ONE WAS ALLOWED TO BE SEEN IN THE STREETS.

NOT ONE WAS ALLOWED TO BE A PART.

AND THAT'S YOUR TIME, WHICH IS GOOD.

THEY'RE CRUELTY. THANK YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU. NEXT IS TAD PRESTON.

IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TAD PRESTON.

I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE CALL FOR A CEASEFIRE IN ISRAEL.

I FIRMLY BELIEVE IN ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST AS A SOVEREIGN NATION AND TO DEFEND ITSELF AGAINST THREATS.

ON OCTOBER 7TH, 2023, HAMAS INITIATED A CONFLICT WITH ISRAEL, RESULTING IN A TRAGIC LOSS OF INNOCENT LIVES.

HAMAS'S DISREGARD FOR CIVILIAN SAFETY, EVIDENCED BY THEIR USE OF HUMAN SHIELDS, UNDERSCORES THEIR GOAL OF ISRAEL'S DESTRUCTION.

WHILE I HOLD THESE BELIEFS, I RESPECTFULLY URGE THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL NOT TO ISSUE A STATEMENT OF THE ONGOING CONFLICT IN ISRAEL AND GAZA.

THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION DELINEATES THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE STATES.

ACCORDING TO ARTICLE ONE, SECTION EIGHT, IT IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S PREROGATIVE TO REGULATE TRADE AND FOREIGN NATIONS AND TO DECLARE WAR.

ADDITIONALLY, ARTICLE ONE, SECTION TEN PROHIBITS STATES FROM ENTERING INTO TREATIES OR ALLIANCES AS OUTLINED ON THIS DENSITY WEBSITE.

THE COUNCIL'S FOCUS IS ON LOCAL COMMUNITY GOALS, PROJECTS, AND LONG TERM PLANNING WITH THE APPOINTMENT OF A PROFESSIONAL MANAGER TO OVERSEE PUBLIC SERVICES.

IT'S NOT WITHIN DENTON'S PURVIEW TO ISSUE STATEMENTS REGARDING CEASE FIRES IN FOREIGN CONFLICTS.

SUCH MATTERS ARE BEST ADDRESSED BY OUR CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES WHO ARE TASKED WITH HANDLING FOREIGN AFFAIRS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS MATTER.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THAT TAKES US TO CAROL N O V I E L L I.

YEP. HEY.

SORRY. THANKS.

YES, I'M CAROL NOVIELLI, DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL MAYOR.

SO I WANTED TO COME HERE TODAY AND JUST BRAG A LITTLE BIT ON THE WONDERFUL CITIZENS WE HAVE IN DENTON COUNTY.

HOW DO YOU ALL LIKE THIS TEXAS WEATHER WE'VE BEEN HAVING? AND HOW MANY OF YOU ALL HEARD THE SIRENS YESTERDAY? A LOT OF THAT.

A LOT OF THOSE WARNINGS ARE GIVEN TO US BY VOLUNTEERS, STORM SPOTTERS, THAT OF THEIR OWN TIME, MONEY AND RISK TO THEIR OWN PROPERTY GO OUT. EVERY SINGLE TIME WE HAVE ANY SORT OF WEATHER ISSUE OR OR POSSIBLE SEVERE WEATHER.

AND I FOR ONE, AM VERY, VERY GRATEFUL TO THEM.

SO I'M NOT PART OF THE DENTON COUNTY STORM SPOTTER ORGANIZATION, BUT I HAVE FOLLOWED THEM.

I'VE LISTENED TO THEM ON THE DENTON COUNTY AMATEUR HAM RADIO REPEATER.

IT'S ONE 4692.

WHICH WHAT HAPPENS WHENEVER THEY FORM A WEATHER NET BEFORE THERE'S ANY WEATHER THAT COMES IN? WELL, SEVERE WEATHER, POTENTIALLY SEVERE WEATHER, AND YOU CAN LISTEN TO THEM.

AND THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO BE TRAINED.

THEY'VE TAKEN THE TIME TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT THE CLOUDS SAY AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE WIND IS SAYING AND THE SIZE AND SHAPES OF HAIL.

AS WE ALL KNOW, WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT TERMINOLOGIES FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HAIL THAT HITS OUR ROOFS.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THE TIME TO BRAG ON THEM AND TO BRING THEM TO YOUR ATTENTION, BECAUSE THERE'S JUST A LOT OF REALLY WONDERFUL PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY THAT ARE

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AND I, I DON'T MEAN TO KEEP REPEATING THAT, BUT THAT'S MY I'M JUST SO OVERWHELMED BY THAT.

SO THANK YOU TO THE CITIZENS OF DENTON COUNTY THAT ARE DOING THAT.

AND I JUST PERSONALLY WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.

AND I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

SO I'M DONE WITH MY TIME.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. SO THE NEXT SPEAKER IS DONNA SMITH.

YOU CAN TAKE ONE MORE BECAUSE THERE WERE TWO.

YEAH. HI, I'M DONNA SMITH, AND.

EXCUSE ME. I'M GLAD TO BE HERE THIS EVENING.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I ACTUALLY WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR CITY MANAGER AND TO HER EMPLOYEES.

I'VE BEEN COMING HERE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, AND I ACTUALLY APPRECIATE THE PROFESSIONALISM OF YOUR MINI TEAMS. AND I'VE WATCHED THEM AS THEY'VE TRIED AND HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN EXPLAINING SOME COMPLEX ISSUES TO US.

THE MANY ASPECT THAT GOES WITH IT, THE TIME, AND IT'S ALWAYS LONGER THAN WE HOPED FOR.

BUT THAT IS JUST THE REALITY OF CONSTRUCTION A LOT OF TIMES.

BUT I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THAT YOU GUYS TAKE THE TIME TO WORK WITH THE CITY EMPLOYEES AND COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR THE CITIZENS OF DENTON.

AND EVEN RIGHT NOW, IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S A NUMBER OF STREETS THAT HAVE BEEN THE POTHOLES ARE GLUED TOGETHER BY POTHOLES, BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE GETTING FIXED.

THE ROADS ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

AND AGAIN, IT'S ALWAYS SLOWER THAN WE HOPE FOR.

BUT I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE UNDER THE COUNCIL DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO TRY TO WORK THESE THINGS OUT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITIZENS.

AND AND THEY DO DO IT WITH TIME IN MIND.

AND YOU DO IT WITH OUR MONEY IN MIND, WHICH I APPRECIATE AS A TAXPAYER AS WELL.

BUT ANYWAY, THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IN THAT REGARD.

THANK YOU FOR HIRING QUALITY PEOPLE.

AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING SARA AS OUR MANAGER, WHO DOES A GREAT JOB IN CORRALLING ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

AND SO I DO LIKE HOW WHEN REPORTS ARE GIVEN, THERE'S USUALLY THE MANAGER NEARBY.

AND WHENEVER THERE'S A QUESTION, THEY JUMP IN AND OUT AND IT'S JUST SEAMLESS.

IT REALLY DOES LOOK LIKE TEAMWORK TO ME AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. AND THE LAST SPEAKER IS.

THERE'S A TO.

YES. THAT'S IT.

YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME.

YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

PLEASE AND THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS TONY HARRIS AND I DID NOT COME PREPARED.

I FILLED OUT A BLUE CARD, SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME.

I'M COMING, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE GROUP HERE ASKING Y'ALL TO PUT UP FOR A VOTE A DEMANDING A CEASEFIRE IN GAZA. JUST THE LAST WEEK.

SO AL JAZEERA IS NOW BANNED OUT OF ISRAEL.

SO NOW, ALONG WITH THE 100, SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MY NUMBERS DOWN.

AROUND 100 JOURNALISTS, MORE JOURNALISTS THAN ANY OTHER CONFLICT BEING KILLED.

NOW ISRAEL DOESN'T HAVE AL JAZEERA THERE, SO WE GET TO RELY ON ISRAEL'S.

INVESTIGATIONS ON THEIR OWN WAR CRIMES.

THE WORLD COMMUNITY KITCHEN HAD WAS WAS TRYING TO FIGHT THE FAMINE GOING ON.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE 27 AND THAT WAS A WEEK AGO.

I DON'T I COULDN'T FIND AN ACCURATE ANOTHER NUMBER FOR THE LAST WEEK 27 PEOPLE DYING FROM DEHYDRATION AND MALNUTRITION AND AID GETTING DROPPED DOWN IS FALLING ON PEOPLE LIKE FALLING ON GAZANS.

PEOPLE. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED FROM AID BEING FALLEN.

PEOPLE HAVE DIED FROM TRYING TO SWIM OUT AND GET THE AID THAT'S DROPPED INTO THE SEA.

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YET SOMEHOW, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, BIDEN HAS JUST APPROVED MORE WEAPONS GOING THROUGH, INCLUDING 2,000 POUND BOMBS.

YOU TELL ME, HOW IS IT WITH NO.

WITH NO.

WITH NO RESTRICTION.

RESTRICTIONS ON HOW THEY USE THOSE BOMBS.

2,000 POUND BOMB ON A PLACE THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN GAZA.

WHERE? WHAT DO YOU THINK'S GOING TO END UP BEING ON THIS? AND SO WE ARE NOT WE REALIZE THAT Y'ALL CANNOT STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING, BUT WE NEED OUR VOICES TO GO TO OUR THE PEOPLE THAT CAN DO SOMETHING AGAIN.

BIDEN, TED CRUZ AND JOHN CORNYN, THEY'VE ALL BEEN BOUGHT BY AIPAC.

YOU CAN SEE THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON OPENSECRETS.ORG ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'VE RECEIVED FROM AIPAC, THOSE AID WORKERS WITH THE WORLD COMMUNITY KITCHEN LIKE.

THEY WERE IN A NON CONFLICTED ZONE.

THEY WERE IN ARMOR.

THEY HAD OBVIOUS THEY WERE FROM THE WORLD COMMUNITY KITCHEN AND.

ISRAEL WANTS TO SAY, OH, IT WAS A MISTAKE.

OKAY, OKAY.

SOMEHOW THEY'VE GOT SUCH GREAT INTELLIGENCE.

AND OH, ALSO THE WORLD COMMUNITY KITCHEN HAS TO NOTIFY ISRAEL OF THEIR LOCATIONS.

THEY'VE. THEY KILLED.

THEY THEY THEY BLEW UP NOT ONE VEHICLE.

THAT WOULD. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S A STRETCH TO SAY THAT IT WAS A MISTAKE, BUT OKAY.

IT WAS A MISTAKE. NOT ONE, NOT TWO, NOT THREE, BUT FOUR.

VEHICLES CARRYING AID WORKERS.

MISTAKE. AND YET BE AN IDIOT TO THINK IT WAS A MISTAKE.

THE IMAGES FROM AL-SHIFA HOSPITAL ARE DISGUSTING.

AND AS FAR AS WHAT LADY FROM FRISCO? THAT NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE HAS BEEN DEBUNKED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

THERE WAS NO SYSTEMATIC RAPE THAT HAPPENED ON OCTOBER 7TH.

EVEN THE UN HAS SAID SUCH.

THANK YOU. HE'S A LIAR.

OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO OUR WE'RE GOOD.

THAT TAKES US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

THERE'S NOTHING PULLED, SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ANY DISCUSSION? THROW IT ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO OUR FIRST ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSENT.

AND BEFORE I CALL THAT, I'LL GIVE SOME GRACE ON THE FIRST ONE.

BUT UNDERSTAND ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSENT CONSIDERATION, YOU WOULD NEED TO FILL OUT A BLUE CARD BEFORE I CALL THE ITEM.

SO IF YOU IF YOU INTEND TO SPEAK ON B, C, D, E AND AGAIN THERE WILL BE A LITTLE GRACE FOR A, YOU WOULD NEED TO FILL THAT OUT.

FILL OUT THE BLUE CARD FIRST BEFORE I GET TO THAT ITEM.

OTHERWISE THAT FORECLOSES THE SPEAKING ON THOSE ITEMS. SO ITEM A IS ID 24415.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT UNDER CHAPTER 380 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance approving an economic development agreement under Chapter 380 of the Local Government Code to promote economic development, increase foot traffic, stimulate business activity and economic growth of the City of Denton between the City of Denton and Fine Arts Theater of Denton, LLC for an amount not to exceed $1,620,869 of Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone One funds; authorizing the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date. The Downtown Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Number One Board recommends approval (5-0).]

GOOD AFTERNOON.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I'M CHRISTINE TAYLOR, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT TO YOU THE INCENTIVE AGREEMENT FOR CONSIDERATION BY COUNCIL FOR THE FINE ARTS THEATER.

FIRST, I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS A 9900FT² STRUCTURE AND A 6000 SQUARE FOOT SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT.

WE ARE LOOKING AT A MULTI USE THEATER FOR LIVE PERFORMANCES, MOVIES, SPECIAL EVENTS, FILM FESTIVALS, CONCERTS AND PRIVATE RENTALS.

IT CONSISTS OF THREE FLOORS.

THE FIRST FLOOR WILL HAVE A LOBBY, A BAR, CONCESSION AND THE MAIN THEATER WHICH WILL HAVE 200 SEATS.

THE SECOND FLOOR WILL HAVE 30 SEATS, THE MEZZANINE A BAR AND THAT OVERLOOKS THE SQUARE.

THE THIRD FLOOR WILL CONSIST OF A PRIVATE THEATER WITH 50 SEATS.

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THEY ARE LOCAL DEVELOPERS, ALEX PAYNE AND BRAD ANDRUS.

SOME NOTABLE PROJECTS WE WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION ARE THEIR COMPLETION OF STATION 222 LOCATED ON 222 SOUTH ELM.

IT WAS A TEXAS DOWNTOWN PRESIDENT'S AWARD FINALIST.

THE AXIS REALTY GROUP BUILDING, LOCATED AT 212 SOUTH ELM FREE PLAY AT 101 WEST HICKORY AND GUARANTY BANK AND TRUST ON UNIVERSITY DRIVE.

THE PROPOSED OPERATOR FOR THE PROJECT IS THE TEXAS THEATER GROUP JASON RAMIREZ AND BARAK EPSTEIN.

THEY HAVE BEEN OPERATING THE TEXAS THEATER, LOCATED IN DALLAS SINCE 2010.

SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEIR PRE-DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES.

THE DEVELOPERS PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2018 FOR A LITTLE UNDER APPROXIMATELY $800,000, AND SINCE THEY HAVE PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY, THEY'VE INVESTED $2.2 MILLION IN PRE-DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY, ENGAGEMENT OF AN ARCHITECT AND ENGINEER, INTERIOR DEMOLITION AND REMEDIATION OF THE PROPERTY.

THEY'VE HAD THEIR RENOVATION PLANS COMPLETED AND THEIR PERMITS ISSUED THROUGH THE CITY.

THEY ALSO HAVE ATTAINED A OBTAINED APPROVAL FOR THE HISTORIC TAX CREDITS ON THE PROPERTY.

A COUPLE PHOTOS TO SHOW YOU THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY WHEN THEY PURCHASED IT.

IT'S BEEN SITTING VACANT FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND TO SHOW JUST SOME OF THAT PRE-DEVELOPMENT WORK THEY'VE DONE, THEY PUT IN A NEW ROOF AND HAD COMPLETED THE INTERIOR DEMOLITION. SO WHEN THE CITY WAS WHEN THE PROJECT CAME TO THE CITY, THE CITY CONTRACTED WITH A THIRD PARTY UNDERWRITER TO LOOK AT THE EVALUATION PROPOSAL IN FEBRUARY OF 2023.

SO THE GOALS OF HIRING THE THIRD PARTY UNDERWRITER WERE TO DEVELOP TO EVALUATE THE DEVELOPER'S EXPERIENCE AND CAPACITY.

LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL REVIEW OF THIS FUNDING SOURCES USED OPERATING PERFORMANCE AND FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, REVIEW OF THE APPRAISALS, COST ASSUMPTIONS, CAPITAL BUDGETS AND IDENTIFY POTENTIAL SOURCES.

AND IF THERE WAS A NEED FOR PUBLIC FUNDING AND TO HELP US ALSO LOOK THROUGH INCENTIVE OPTIONS, WE LOOKED AT THREE DIFFERENT TYPE OF INCENTIVE STRUCTURES THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE SUITABLE FOR THIS PROJECT.

ULTIMATELY, WE ARE PRESENTING ONE OPTION FOR YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.

SO HERE'S A REVIEW.

THERE ARE TWO COMPONENTS TO THE AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THIS IS AN UNDERWRITING REVIEW OF THE CAPITAL COST FOR THE BUILDING.

SO AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IT OUTLINES THAT $2.2 MILLION IN PREDEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES, WHICH IS THAT FIRST PORTION SHOWING THE BUILDING PURCHASE, THE ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING WORK THEY'VE DONE, THE ASBESTOS AND ABATEMENT AND ROOF REPLACEMENT TOTALING THE $2.21 MILLION.

SO THE PROPOSED PROJECT INCLUDES THE REHABILITATION AND CONTINGENCY AT 5.1 MILLION FURNITURE AND FIXTURES, 630,000 SOFT COST AND 410 AND INTEREST AND OTHER RELATED COSTS, BRINGING THE PROJECT REHABILITATION TO 6.9 AND BRINGING THAT TOTAL PROJECT COST TO 9.1 9.1 MILLION. ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PRESENTATION, THIS LOOKS AT THE FUNDING SOURCES AVAILABLE THE.

WHEN IN THEIR PRE-DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES, THERE IS STILL A BALANCE LEFT ON A LOAN OF A LITTLE UNDER 700,000.

THEY PLAN TO TAKE OUT A CONSTRUCTION LOAN FOR THE 6.9 MILLION, BRINGING THEM TO THE 7.5.

THEY HAVE RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR THE SALE OF THE TAX CREDITS, WHICH WILL PAY DOWN THE LOAN BALANCE BY $2.7 MILLION.

AND THEN THE DEVELOPERS HAVE INFUSED AN ADDITIONAL 555,000 INTO THE PROJECT.

THE GOAL? SO THAT BRINGS OUR BALANCE DOWN TO 4.3.

PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE BANK FUNDING IS TO HAVE A MAXIMUM LOAN, MAXIMUM LOAN OF 3.195, WHICH BRINGS US TO AN ESTIMATED NEED OF THE 1.1 MILLION ON THE CAPITAL SIDE.

THE SECOND COMPONENT OF THAT UNDERWRITING REVIEW LOOKED AT THE OPERATING COSTS, WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOR TO OPERATE THIS THEATER.

SO WE SHOW IN THE FIRST SEVEN YEARS THERE IS A DEFICIT, AND THEN THE PROJECT BEGINS GENERATING THAT ADDITIONAL REVENUE PROFIT IN YEAR EIGHT. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT AN ESTIMATED OPERATING INCENTIVE NEED OF 544,000.

THE INCENTIVE RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATION BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THE ORIGINAL REQUEST FROM THE DEVELOPERS WAS FOR $2.8 MILLION.

WE ARE PROPOSING AN INCENTIVE OF 1.6 MILLION.

THAT IS THE CAPITAL PLUS THE OPERATING ONE FUNDED FROM THE DOWNTOWN TOURS.

THAT IN THE AGREEMENT INCLUDES PERFORMANCE METRICS.

SO THAT FIRST GRANT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE CAPITAL ONE.

IT IS A CHAPTER 380 INCENTIVE, A GRANT TERM OF TEN YEARS.

AND THE CONDITIONS OF RECEIVING THE FUNDING REQUIRE THAT THE DEVELOPER MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS MADE IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT, SO THAT THEY DO EVERYTHING THAT THEY SAID ON THE FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR.

AND IT IS RESTORED TO THE THEATER THAT THE DEVELOPER INVEST AT LEAST $5.8 MILLION, EXCLUDING THAT PRE-DEVELOPMENT COST FROM NON CITY SOURCES, THAT THEY OBTAIN THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THAT THEY SHOW PROOF OF THE ISSUANCE OF TAX CREDITS APPROVED BY THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, THAT

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AND THEN ADDITIONAL METRICS INCLUDE THEY WILL MEET A MINIMUM APPRAISED VALUE.

WE SET OUT THE MINIMUM VALUE OF 1.5 ABOVE THE 2023 BASE YEAR, AND THEN AT 3 MILLION IN YEAR, YEAR THREE.

AND THEN WE PROVIDED FORECASTED AMOUNTS IN THE CONTRACT YEARS FOUR THROUGH TEN.

SO THEY WILL BE MAINTAINING THOSE APPRAISAL VALUES.

IN ADDITION, THE CONTRACT REQUIRES OR INCLUDES PAYBACK PROVISIONS OUTLINED FOR YEARS ONE THROUGH TEN.

AND IN THE EVENT THAT THERE IS A NEED TO RECAPTURE FUNDS, THE CITY WILL PLACE A LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY TO SECURE REPAYMENT.

THAT SECOND GRANT THAT WE DISCUSSED IS FOR THE OPERATING FUNDING.

WE ARE IT IS 544 $503,000.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING AGAIN THROUGH A CITY OF DENTON CHAPTER 380, A GRANT OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD.

THE CONDITIONS TO RECEIVE THE OPERATING FUNDING IS THAT THEY MUST MEET ALL CONDITIONS OF GRANT ONE.

THEY'LL SUBMIT AN ANNUAL CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE, WHICH INCLUDES THEIR REVENUE AND EXPENSES, AND THEY MUST MEET ANNUAL REVENUE MINIMUMS. SO THE GOAL WE REALLY SET UP THIS CONTRACT IS TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO DO WELL AND TO STAY OPEN.

SO WE HAVE WRITTEN IN INCENTIVES TO BE ABLE TO DRAW DOWN THE REVENUE FASTER IF THEY ARE ABLE TO EXCEED REVENUE PROJECTIONS.

AGAIN, THE AGREEMENT CONTAINS PAYBACK PROVISIONS OUTLINED IN YEARS ONE THROUGH TEN, AND THERE IS RECAPTURE PROVISIONS.

THE CITY WOULD PLACE A LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY TO SECURE REPAYMENT AND JUST A FOOTNOTE AT THE BOTTOM.

THE PROJECT IS ELIGIBLE FOR A FACADE GRANT, WHICH YOU'RE USED TO SEEING THROUGH THE TERS FUNDING ALSO, AND THAT WILL COME THROUGH THE TERS BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL ON A FUTURE DATE.

SO A COUPLE COUPLE ALIGNMENTS I WANT TO POINT OUT OF WHERE THIS PROJECT HITS MAJOR GOALS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY.

IT FALLS WITHIN OUR KEY FOCUS AREA TO FOSTER ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND AFFORDABILITY, SPECIFICALLY TO INCREASE TOURISM.

THE CITY'S 2040 LAND USE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED THROUGH KEY ACTION 69, SAID THE CITY SHOULD LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO INCORPORATE VENUES FOR ARTS AND MUSIC AND SPECIFICALLY SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT PURSUING THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE RE-USE OF CITY HALL AND THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF A NEW FINE ARTS THEATER.

THIS PROJECT ALIGNS WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH SAYS WE SHOULD FOCUS ON MAINTAINING DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT.

AUTHENTIC SQUARE.

AND WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO PRIORITIZE THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

THE PROJECT ALSO MEETS SEVERAL OF OUR POLICY ALIGNMENTS.

IT MEETS OUR DENTON TEXAS ABATEMENT CHAPTER 380 POLICIES.

IT FALLS WITHIN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN OF BEING CREATIVE AND IT IS A PROMOTER OF SIMILAR EVENTS WITHIN FACILITIES.

WE DO ANY VALUE AND INCENTIVE EVALUATION MATRIX AND THIS PROJECT SCORED 85 POINTS, WHICH PUTS IT IN THE EXCELLENT CATEGORY.

AND IT MEETS THE PROJECT CRITERIA FROM THE DOWNTOWN TERM PROJECT PLAN.

SO THIS PROJECT INCLUDES ASPECTS OF HISTORICAL PRESERVATION, DEMOLITION, ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION, RADIATION REMEDIATION AND AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT.

IN ADDITION TO THIS PROJECT HAVING A GOOD ECONOMIC IMPACT, THERE WILL BE A HUGE COMMUNITY IMPACT.

THEY ARE GOING TO OFFER JOB TRAINING, PARTNERING WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS TO PROVIDE TRAINING AND INTERNSHIPS FOR ASPIRING FILM, HOSPITALITY AND THEATER MAJORS.

THEY WILL HAVE COMMUNITY AND SPECIAL EVENTS OFFERING DISCOUNTED RATES TO LOCAL NONPROFITS TO HOST FUNDRAISERS, CELEBRATIONS, EVENT AWARENESS AND ALSO BUILDING ON OUR CULTURE FOR FESTIVALS, PROVIDING ANOTHER SPACE TO INCREASE THAT.

THEY WILL OFFER EVENTS LOW AND NO COST RELATED TO CULTURAL HISTORY, SCREENINGS, GUEST SPEAKERS AND THEY PLAN TO PARTNER WITH OUR LOCAL FESTIVALS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL VENUE SPACE. EDUCATIONAL WISE, THE GROUP WILL BE COORDINATING WITH DISD AND NEIGHBORING DISTRICTS TO OFFER FIELD TRIPS AND EDUCATIONAL HISTORICAL FILMS, AND THEY'LL PRESENT AND HOST EDUCATIONAL PRODUCTIONS.

PRIOR ACTION.

THIS PROJECT HAS GONE THROUGH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD ON JANUARY 10TH AND IN FEBRUARY, WE PRESENTED THIS PROJECT TO THE DOWNTOWN TOURS BOARD AND IT RECEIVED RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FIVE ZERO.

TODAY, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO PROVIDE AN INCENTIVE OF 1.6 MILLION AND A CHAPTER CITY OF DENTON.

CHAPTER 380 GRANT.

I I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I DID WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF WHO HAS WORKED SO HARD ON THIS, ERICA SULLIVAN FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, AND SCOTT BRAY FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

WE HAVE THE DEVELOPERS HERE.

WE HAVE BRAD ANDRUS AND ALEX PAYNE AND JASON REIMER, THE THEATER OPERATOR.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

AND ADDITIONALLY, THE DEVELOPER AND THE OPERATOR ARE HERE AS WELL.

OKAY. AND WE HAVE CARDS HERE THAT WISH TO SPEAK.

SO LET'S LET'S GO AHEAD AND LET'S DO THAT SO THAT WE CAN EVERYONE WILL KNOW WHAT THE QUESTIONS ARE AND THEY CAN SPEAK TO THOSE.

FIRST IS ERIC POLITO.

IF YOU CAN COME UP AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

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NO. JUST KIDDING. WE'VE NEVER HAD.

30,000 HAVE DIED, AND MANY ARE.

THEY SAID THANK YOU.

MAYOR. DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS ERIC POLITO.

I'M A LOCAL MUSICIAN, LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER.

I FIRST STEPPED FOOT IN DENTON IN THE LATE 90S, AND THE TEENAGE ME THOUGHT I HAD BEEN TRANSPORTED TO NARNIA.

GRANTED, I WAS COMING FROM COLLEGE STATION, TEXAS, SO TAKE IT.

FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I WAS MAINLY DRAWN TO THE COMMUNITY OF ARTISTS AND MUSICIANS THAT I HAD NEVER BEEN EXPOSED TO IN SUCH GREAT NUMBERS.

IT WASN'T LONG AFTER I GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE, MOVED TO DENTON, AND JOINED A BAND.

WE BEGAN TO TRAVEL TO PLACES I'D NEVER BEEN BEFORE, ALWAYS WAVING THE DENTON FLAG, PROCLAIMING FROM WHERE WE HAD CAME.

I BEGAN TO PLANT ROOTS.

I MET AND MARRIED MY WIFE.

WE BOUGHT A HOME AND STARTED A FAMILY.

MY BAND AND I REALIZED IT WAS GOING TO BE TOUGH TO SOLELY LIVE OFF MUSIC, SO WE SCRAPED ENOUGH PENNIES TOGETHER TO START A BAR.

SINCE I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO PARTNER IN OTHER BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN AS WELL, OVER THE YEARS, I JOINED VOLUNTEER BOARDS LIKE THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION OR HLC, THE GREATER DENTON ARTS COUNCIL OR GDAC, AND THE CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU, OR CVB.

I'VE HELPED AND PERFORMED WITH LOCAL MUSIC FESTIVALS, INVITED ARTISTS TO COME VISIT AND PLAY IN DENTON, AND EVEN HELPED CREATE A NEW ANNUAL DOWNTOWN FESTIVAL THIS YEAR.

I'VE ALWAYS ENJOYED GETTING INVOLVED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE CITY AND COMMUNITY IN WHICH WE RESIDE.

THE OVERARCHING NARRATIVE THROUGH ALL OF THESE EFFORTS AND GROUPS, HAS BEEN THAT WE ARE A TOWN THAT SUPPORTS THE ARTS, AND WHILE THIS IS TRUE THAT SUPPORT NOT ONLY COMES IN DIFFERENT FORMS, IT'S AN ONGOING ENDEAVOR AND ONUS TO UPHOLD THE VALIDATION FOR SUCH A PROCLAMATION.

WHILE SERVING ON ONE OF THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED ADVISORY BOARDS, A FELLOW BOARD MEMBER ONCE STATED THAT THE BEST TOOL WE HAVE IN OUR POSSESSION IS THE ABILITY TO SAY NO.

I DISAGREED THEN, AND I DISAGREE NOW.

WE NEED TO BE ASKING HOW WE CAN SAY YES TO HELP FACILITATE THE CURATION AND COMPLETION OF A SPACE THAT'S NEEDED.

LIFE BREATHED IN IT FOR DECADES TO IDENTIFY ITS REBIRTH AS A RISING TIDE THAT WILL INHERENTLY LIFT ALL OF THE SHIPS AROUND IT, AND TO NOT TOLERATE BUT CELEBRATE HOW WE CAN FULFILL THIS ARM OF THE ARTS IN DOWNTOWN DENTON.

WHEN YOU STAND DOWNTOWN AND LOOK AROUND, THERE IS NO MISTAKING IT.

YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU ARE AND FOR GOOD REASON.

THE ARCHITECTURE AND ARTWORK, THE IDEATION AND IMAGINATION, THE COMMERCE AND COMMUNITY.

THERE ARE MANY FOLKS OVER THE YEARS THAT HAVE COME HERE TO CREATE SOMETHING SPECIAL, AND WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF THAT.

IN REGARDS TO THESE FOLKS AND THIS ENDEAVOR, I SAY YES AND ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THE FINE ARTS INCENTIVE AGREEMENT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND THEN JOSE.

C A N.

YEAH. HELP ME OUT.

THANK YOU. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

YEAH. HELLO.

MY NAME IS JOSE CANEDO A, AND I AM A AUDIO VISUAL TECHNICIAN FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS AND THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE DELTA KAPPA ALPHA PROFESSIONAL CINEMA SOCIETY. I'M HERE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE RENOVATION PROPOSAL TOWARDS DENTON FINE ART THEATER, MORE SPECIFICALLY IN HOW RENOVATIONS WILL SIGNIFICANTLY STIMULATE BOTH TOURISM AND CULTURE TO THE BENEFIT OF THE DENTON COMMUNITY.

THE FINE ARTS THEATER IS A HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL PILLAR TO THE CITY OF DENTON, AND CAN PROVIDE THE VENUE SPACE FOR IMPACTFUL CULTURAL EVENTS SUCH AS CONCERTS FROM LOCAL ARTISTS, LOCAL KEYNOTE PRESENTATIONS, AND FILM FESTIVALS, ALL OF WHICH ATTRACT NOTABLE INDIVIDUALS TO OUR CITY.

EACH OF THESE EVENTS CURRENTLY ARE HOSTED IN LOCATIONS THAT ARE NOT CENTRAL TO THE HEART OF DENTON, OR EVEN OUTSIDE OF DENTON, AND WOULD BENEFIT FROM AN IDENTIFIABLE LOCATION TO HOST THESE EVENTS IN ALMOST EVERY STORIED CITY AND ALMOST EVERY STORIED CITY.

HISTORIC THEATERS SERVE AS THE CULTURAL CAPITAL OF EACH CITY'S FINE ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT SCENE.

THEATERS SUCH AS THE PARAMOUNT IN AUSTIN, THE RIVER OAKS IN HOUSTON, THE PLAZA IN EL PASO, THE AZTEC IN SAN ANTONIO, AND THE TEXAS THEATER IN DALLAS HAVE

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IF PASSED, THE REVITALIZATION OF THE FINE ARTS THEATER WOULD PROVE TO BE AN INTEGRAL LANDMARK TO THE CITY OF DENTON'S ART AND CULTURE.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HOW INVIGORATED THIS IDENTITY OF DENTON WILL BECOME, WITH THE THEATER'S FUNDING, AND HOW THE ECONOMY WILL GROW IN THE CITY'S FUTURE.

PLEASE VOTE YES AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. NOAH BYERS, YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU FOR HERE. YES.

IF YOU PUT IT THERE AND THEN THEY'LL THEY'LL TURN ON THE DOCUMENT CAMERA AND ZOOM IN.

GIVE THEM JUST A BIT.

ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS NOAH BYERS.

I'VE BEEN A CITY OR I'VE BEEN A LOCAL OF THE CITY OF DENTON AND THE COUNTY OF DENTON FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.

I'M HERE CURRENTLY FINISHING MY BACHELOR'S IN MARKETING THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS, GRADUATING IN MAY.

I'M HERE TO SAY THAT THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PROPOSALS THAT HAS BEEN PUT FORWARD IN REGARDS TO BUSINESSES ON THE SQUARE.

I WAS INTRODUCED TO THE TEXAS THEATER BACK IN APRIL OF 2022 TO GO SEE A 4K RESTORATION OF INLAND EMPIRE.

AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN IN THE THEATER INDUSTRY FOR FIVE YEARS WORKING WITH MOVIE TAVERN AND CINEMARK, SPECIFICALLY THE DENTON MOVIE TAVERN, THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO REVITALIZE A FINE ARTS THEATER THAT WILL PROVIDE A HUGE CULTURAL LANDMARK TO DENTON.

SPECIFICALLY, ONE TIME WHEN I VISITED THE TEXAS THEATER IN 2022 WHEN I WAS MOVING UP HERE, ACTUALLY, I WENT TO THE OAK CLIFF FILM FESTIVAL.

FROM JUNE 23RD TO JUNE 26TH, AND IT WAS THE.

ONE OF THE MOST FUN TIMES OF MY LIFE.

WATCHED TONS OF MOVIES.

GOT TO DO ALL THAT AND IT WAS GREAT.

I HADN'T REALLY EVER BEEN TO OAK CLIFF BEFORE AND I BEGAN TO LOVE OAK CLIFF.

TIME GOES BY, I LIVE HERE.

I KEEP WALKING AROUND THE SQUARE.

FINE ARTS THEATER.

WHAT'S IT DOING? THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S DOING.

BUT IT'S SUCH A GREAT BUILDING.

AND SO. JOKES BETWEEN ME AND SOME STAFF AT MOVIE TAVERN WERE BEGINNING TO GO AND WE WERE LIKE, WHO OWNS THIS PLACE? SO BACK BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, I GOT CONTACTED MR. RAMER AND MR. EPSTEIN ABOUT THE PROJECT AND GOT TO LEARN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.

I ALSO GOT TO, YOU KNOW, LEARN A TON OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE THEATER INDUSTRY I HAD PREVIOUSLY NOT KNOWN.

WHAT I'VE LEARNED ABOUT MR. AMIR AND MR. EPSTEIN IS THAT NOT ONLY ARE THEY GREAT BUSINESSMEN, I MEAN FOR APOLOGIES, BUT THEY MANAGED TO MAKE THE TEXAS THEATER POPULAR BY PRESENTING A MOVIE CALLED TRASH HUMPERS.

SO I THINK IF YOU CAN DO THAT AND YOU CAN GET A GOOD AUDIENCE GOING, I THINK YOU CAN DO ANYTHING THAT'S COMING FROM SOMEBODY WHOSE THING IS MARKETING REGARDLESS.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REINVEST NOT ONLY IN AN OPERATION THAT WILL TOTALLY HELP NOT ONLY THE THEATER, BUT OTHER RESTAURANTS AND BARS IN THE AREA AND OTHER BUSINESSES TOO.

BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INVEST IN OUR STUDENTS AT UNT AND POTENTIALLY OTHER UNIVERSITIES WHO ARE MAJORING IN THESE HOSPITALITY, RADIO AND TV OR TOURISM INDUSTRIES AND HAVE THEM LEARN VALUABLE SKILLS THAT, IN THE LONG TERM, COULD COME BACK TO HELP US IN THE FUTURE.

ALONG WITH THE FINANCIAL SHORT TERM IMPLICATIONS TOO.

WITH THAT, I SEE THAT MY TIME IS RUNNING LOW.

I PLEASE ASK YOU TO VOTE YES AND I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING.

HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK YOU.

AND COULD YOU EMAIL THE NAME OF THAT TRASH MOVIE? COULD YOU EMAIL THAT TO COUNCIL MEMBER? MEMBERS. YES. IT'S OKAY.

YOU'RE RYAN.

THAT'S ONE. GOT IT.

RYAN. PAULIE, IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

HELLO, EVERYONE. THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS RYAN PAULY.

I'M A LIFELONG DENTON RESIDENT, AND I OWN A FEW COMPANIES IN TOWN, A COMMERCIAL PRODUCTION COMPANY CALLED WEEKEND VIDEO AND A DEVELOPMENT AND PRODUCTION COMPANY CALLED BONUS FEATURES.

I'M A DIRECTOR AT WGA.

SCREENWRITER. I SAY ALL THIS TO SAY I LOVE MOVIES.

I LOVE DENTON HISTORIC MOVIE THEATERS ARE FADING AWAY EVERY DAY, THANKS IN PART TO COMPETITION FROM BIG MULTIPLEXES AND CHAINS.

THESE THEATERS, THESE HISTORIC THEATERS SURVIVE AND ARE RESTORED THANKS TO COMMUNITY EFFORTS AND PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE CITY.

I VISIT THE TEXAS THEATER AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH, MAKE THE ONE HOUR DRIVE DOWN THERE FOR FOR DIFFERENT SCREENINGS AND EVENTS.

I'VE ALSO PREMIERED MULTIPLE FILMS THERE, AND HAVE FOUND THAT IT'S A SPACE THAT CELEBRATES THE ARTS AND FILMMAKERS, BOTH LOCAL AND AROUND THE WORLD.

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YOU WILL NOT FIND THAT IN THE OTHER CHAIN THEATERS AROUND DENTON.

YOU KNOW, ALAMO DRAFTHOUSE IS INCREDIBLE.

CINEMARK HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, GREAT.

THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOREVER, BUT NONE OF OUR THEATERS ARE LOCALLY OWNED, AND NONE OF THEM SUPPORT LOCAL ARTISTS LIKE I'VE SEEN TEXAS THEATER DO IN DALLAS AND WHAT I EXPECT THEM TO DO IN DENTON AS WELL.

HAVING A LOCALLY OWNED MOVIE THEATER ON THE SQUARE WOULD ALSO BE A HUGE ATTRACTION NOT FOR NOT ONLY FOR THE ART CROWD AND FOR FILM ENTHUSIASTS, BUT FOR EVERYONE.

NEW RELEASE MOVIES, SPECIALTY PROGRAMING, MATINEES FOR THE KIDDOS.

HAVING WATCHED A FEW MOVIES AT THE FINE ARTS THEATER BACK IN THE DAY.

AT OUR LOCAL THIN LINE FILM FESTIVAL, AS WELL AS NUMEROUS CONCERTS FROM FRIENDS AROUND TOWN.

THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT EXITING THAT THEATER ONTO THE SQUARE AND GRABBING A GRAB GRAB, GRABBING A BITE FOR DINNER OR A DRINK WITH YOUR FRIENDS.

EVEN IF THE STATE OF THE THEATER AT THAT TIME.

10 TO 20 YEARS AGO WAS KIND OF ABYSMAL.

I JUST IMAGINE IF IT WAS RESTORED TO ITS ONCE AND FORMER GLORY.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO INCREASE FOOT TRAFFIC, HELP BRING PEOPLE TO OUR OTHER AMAZING LOCAL BUSINESSES LIKE NORMAN ROSCO.

BUT AND ALSO, MORE IMPORTANTLY, ENRICH THE CULTURE OF OUR GREAT TOWN.

I TRULY BELIEVE MOVIES BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER.

AND I, FOR ONE, AM VERY EXCITED TO SEE THAT HAPPENING ON THE SQUARE OF OUR HOMETOWN.

I HOPE THAT OUR CITY CAN HELP RESTORE THIS AMAZING PIECE OF HISTORY AND KEEP DENTON LOCAL.

THANK YOU. GUYS, PLEASE PLEASE VOTE YES.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. HAVE YOU SEEN NORMAN ROSCO'S SHIRT? THE POLAROID SHIRT? HAVE YOU SEEN THAT THING? YES.

YEAH. ISN'T THAT OUTSTANDING? YEAH. WE NEED TO HAVE A DENTON POLAROID SHIRT.

PROMO VIDEOS ARE INCREDIBLE, TOO.

YEAH. THEY ARE. THAT'S GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

LAST SPEAKER I HAVE IS JOHN CARTWRIGHT.

YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU'LL HAVE.

THREE MINUTES IF YOU HAVE A CHICKEN FRIED STEAK.

IF IF YOU DON'T, WE'RE GOING TO CUT YOU SHORT.

YEAH. SO BRIBERY IS OUT OF THE QUESTION, IS THAT WHAT? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, AS I'M SITTING UP THERE LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION AND, AND THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN ERIC AND OTHERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT, IT KIND OF DAWNED ON ME THAT WE HAVE SOME REALLY LONG TIME PEOPLE HERE ON DENTON CITY COUNCIL THAT HAVE BEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY THEIR WHOLE LIVES.

MAYOR. YOU'RE ONE OF THEM. YEAH.

COUNCILMAN HOLLAND, I KNOW YOU'RE ONE.

ALSO I'M NOT OLD DENTON AND YOU GUYS ARE ALL DENTON.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I'M NOT OLD DENTON.

I WAS TRANSFERRED HERE BY A COMPANY I USED TO WORK FOR BACK IN 1994.

AND I WORKED FOR LUBY'S CAFETERIAS, AND I WORKED FOR LUBY'S.

SIX YEARS AT THIS LOCATION, WORKED AT LUBY'S DOWN IN PLANO.

BUT I REFUSED TO MOVE MY FAMILY DOWN TO PLANO.

SO I JUST MADE THE DRIVE FOR TEN YEARS, AND WE MADE OUR HOME AND STILL IS OUR HOME HERE IN DENTON, TEXAS.

I LOVE MY CITY.

I, WE, WE ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT.

NOW, MY GRANDCHILDREN HAVE BEEN BORN HERE AND THE LEGACY CONTINUES.

BUT AS I'M, I'M REMINDED THAT YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME, AND IT'S NOT IT'S IT'S THIS PICTURE THAT'S IT'S A NIGHTTIME PICTURE OF THE THE FINE ARTS THEATER LOOKING SOUTH TO THE NORTH.

AND IT DAWNS ON ME THAT.

THAT'S ICONIC.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE THINK OF DOWNTOWN DENTON, WE THINK OF THE COURTHOUSE, OBVIOUSLY.

AND IT'S IN.

JUST ABOUT EVERY PUBLICATION THAT DENTON IS IN.

IT REPRESENTS DENTON DOWNTOWN.

IS IS WHAT DENTON IS I ALWAYS LIKE TO CALL IT.

IT'S THE LIVING ROOM.

IT'S THE SOUL OF DENTON.

AND I THINK THE, THE OBVIOUSLY THE COURTHOUSE REPRESENTS DOWNTOWN, BUT IF THERE'S A SECONDARY ICONIC STRUCTURE THAT WE CAN POINT TO, I THINK IT'S THE FINE ARTS BUILDING.

IT'S BEEN HERE DECADES BEFORE THAT, IT WAS THE TEXAS THEATER.

I'VE SEEN COUNTLESS PHOTOS OVER THE YEARS OF OF MOVIES THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWN THERE.

FAMOUS PEOPLE, PRESIDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN PHOTOGRAPHED IN FRONT OF THIS THEATER DECADES AGO.

UNFORTUNATELY, AS SITTING DILAPIDATED.

I MY I OPERATE MY BUSINESS JUST ADJACENT JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE FINE ARTS THEATER.

WE SHARE A WALL DURING THE RENOVATION.

I, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY IT REALLY KIND OF DAWNED ON ME THAT I AM RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE FINE ARTS THEATER.

AND IT MIGHT IT MIGHT COME ACROSS THAT I'M BEING SELF-SERVING WHEN ASKING YOU TO VOTE FOR IT.

BUT I'M NOT. I'M VOTING FOR YOU.

I'M ASKING YOU TO VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE.

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I THINK CITY STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB PRESENTING THE PROJECT TO YOU.

IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOURS.

IT'LL HELP REPRESENT DENTON IN THE FUTURE.

IT'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPER PROJECT, AND I URGE YOU TO VOTE AND THANK YOU FOR TIME.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S SO ALL THE SPEAKERS.

COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER. FIRST OF ALL, I AM SO RESONATING WITH EVERY SPEAKER ON THIS ISSUE, AND I'M SO HAPPY TO BE AT THIS POINT.

I BECAME INTERESTED WHEN I CAME TO DENTON IN 2008.

I THINK I'M THE ONLY PERSON ON THE DAIS WHO WAS ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY HUNG THE MARQUEE ON THE THEATER TO SHOW DOCUMENTARIES AND IT'S JUST AND I AND I'M AWARE THAT YOU SO OFTEN SEE THE PHOTO OF THE FINE ARTS THEATER AS REPRESENTING DENTON BECAUSE DENTON EMBRACES THE ARTS, BUT THERE WASN'T ANY FINE ARTS HAPPENING IN IT.

SO THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, A GREAT MOMENT.

AND AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE PROJECT ECONOMICS ARE.

LITTLE ON THE EDGE, BUT IT DOESN'T.

BUT THE IMPACT IS SO MUCH BIGGER THAN THE PROJECT BY ITSELF.

THE VITALITY THAT IT WILL BRING, THE VIBRANCY THAT WILL BRING THE KNOCK ON EFFECTS OF RESTORING A, YOU KNOW, SUCH AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF CULTURE.

AND I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

AS WE BECOME SORT OF PARTNERS, IN A WAY, IN THE VENTURE IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT SOME OF THESE, THE FESTIVALS THAT HAVE BEEN REFERRED TO WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE THE WEEKS OR THE WEEKENDS THAT THEY DEEM CRITICAL TO THEIR SUCCESS? YOU KNOW, AND AND ALSO THERE'S REFERENCE TO DISCOUNTED RATES FOR NONPROFITS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY PART OF THE CALENDAR THAT GETS SET ASIDE FOR CITY FUNDED NONPROFIT ARTS SO THAT THERE'S FOR SURE A ROLE FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS, NOT NOT JUST A SORT OF SYMBOLIC GESTURE TOWARD THAT? I CAN ANSWER THAT.

SO PART A BIG PART OF THEIR PROJECT PLAN, SINCE SUBMISSION HAS BEEN GOING TO BE THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS FOR THE THEATER.

SO THEIR PERFORMANCE CERTAINLY INCLUDED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE DISCOUNTED AND NONPROFIT RATES THEY HAVE OUTSIDE OF THE AGREEMENT, ALREADY MET WITH SEVERAL OF THE COMMUNITY GROUPS AND NONPROFITS WHO WILL BE INTERESTED IN USING THE SPACE FOR FESTIVALS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO REVIEW THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND CERTAINLY MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT.

THEY DO THAT THROUGH A VARIETY OF WAYS WITH THE TEXAS THEATER WORK WITH SEVERAL OF THEIR GROUPS, AND THEY WORK JUST HAND IN HAND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO PROMOTE AND HOLDING EVENTS.

SO THEY'VE COMMITTED TO THAT BEING A PRIORITY.

AND THEN WE'LL BE REPORTING ON THAT ANNUALLY.

WE IT'S NOT PART OF THE CONTRACT REQUIREMENT BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO HIT THEIR REVENUES AND STAY OPEN.

BUT WE CERTAINLY HAD A CONVERSATION THE OTHER DAY AND WILL BE REPORTING TO COUNCIL AS PART OF THEIR ANNUAL SUBMISSION.

HOW MANY FESTIVALS WERE HELD? THE NONPROFITS. BUT THEY'VE MADE A COMMITMENT TO WORK WITH EACH OF THOSE ENTITIES.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.

WATTS. THANK YOU.

A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

SO WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE, THE ACTUAL CONTRACT, IT TALKS ABOUT THE.

I THINK IT'S FOR CONDITIONS FOR THE GRANTS TO BE AWARDED.

ONE IS ISSUANCE OF SEO.

IT'S PAGE SIX OF 15 OF THE CONTRACT IN THE BACKUP ISSUANCE OF HISTORIC TAX CREDITS BY GRANTEE.

GRANTEE HAS MET THE INVESTMENT THRESHOLD OF NON CITY FUNDS FOR THE PROJECT AND DEMONSTRATION OF THE PERMANENT LOAN AS A DOCUMENT DEEMED ACCEPTABLE BY THE CITY.

SO. THE TAX CREDITS.

ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT THE TAX CREDITS GET ISSUED FROM WHEREVER THEY GET ISSUED FROM, RIGHT? THE STATE AND THE HISTORICAL.

ONE OF THE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT IS THE SALE OF THOSE.

I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE $2 MILLION PLUS THAT HELP WITH THAT TO GET IT DOWN THE LOAN BALANCE SO THAT THE PERMANENT LOAN CAN COME IN.

CORRECT. IT DOESN'T SAY IT'S NOT CONDITIONED UPON THE SALE OF THE TAX CREDITS, THE GRANT, HOWEVER.

AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT IN ITEM NUMBER FOR DEMONSTRATION OF THE PERMANENT LOAN AND A DOCUMENT DEEMED ACCEPTABLE AND THIS BY THE CITY, AND THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANTS CAN CAN I CAN SPEAK TO IT AND THEN THEY CAN EXPAND ON IT.

SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT BEFORE WE ISSUE THE FIRST SET OF MONEY, THE MILLION SOMETHING THAT THE PERMANENT LOAN HAS TO BE IN PLACE? CORRECT. SO WE WANTED TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY ON THE HISTORIC TAX CREDITS.

THERE'S A STATE PROCESS AND THEN A FEDERAL PROCESS ALSO.

AND WHEN WE GOT INTO WORKING THROUGH WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE WITH THE DEVELOPER, THE FEDERAL PIECE IS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.

SO THE IMPORTANT PIECE TO US IS THAT THEY GOT ISSUED BECAUSE THAT TIES TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF IT.

AND THEN WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THOSE CREDITS IS UP TO THEM.

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SO WE FELT THE PERMANENT LOAN FINANCING WOULD DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY'VE EITHER INFUSED THE ADDITIONAL CASH OR SOLD THE TAX CREDITS.

OKAY, SO THE LOAN BEING EXECUTED AND FUNDED OR WHATEVER, THAT'S PART OF THE CONDITION.

YES. THAT OKAY.

SO AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY CAN DO IT.

THAT WHAT THEY WANT IF THEY WANT TO PUT THE CASH IN OR IF THEY WANT TO GIVE THEM THE OPTION THAT THAT'S UP TO THEM, THEY MAY WANT TO KEEP THE TAX CREDITS AND USE THEM.

AND IF THEY DO WANT TO DO THAT, THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO USE CASH TO PAY DOWN THAT BALANCE.

WELL AND I HAVE MOVED AND I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS, BUT I HAVE IT JUST JUST SOME BRIEF COMMENTS.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK ALEX AND BRAD FOR STICKING WITH THIS PROJECT.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S PROBABLY ANY DISAGREEMENT THAT IN THE BEGINNING, WAY BACK WHEN, I PROBABLY WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE BEARISH ON THIS THAN THAN WHAT I AM NOW.

AND THE REASON IS, IS BECAUSE IF YOU CONSIDER THE APARTMENTS DOWN BY ACROSS FROM THE POLICE STATION, A CATALYST PROJECT, WHICH I REALLY DON'T, THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST CATALYST PROJECTS THAT THE TERS HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN AND IN ITS EXISTENCE OF ITS IT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR HOW LONG? TEN, 13 YEARS, I THINK.

RIGHT? YES. YEAH.

13 YEARS.

SO THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF DEVELOPING THE TERS WAS TO PROMOTE THESE CATALYST PROJECTS.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM THAT'S JUST OFF THE CHARTS.

SO I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THIS, THIS INCENTIVE BECAUSE I THINK IT PROVIDES THE DEVELOPERS WHAT THEY NEED.

IT PROVIDES THE CITY AND THE TAXPAYERS WHAT THEY NEED.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT STAFF AND THE DEVELOPERS AND EVERYBODY SAT DOWN AND HAMMERED OUT THESE THINGS.

AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY.

I KNOW SOMETIMES THERE'S FRUSTRATION, BUT I THINK IN THE END WE'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BE VERY, VERY PROUD.

THIS WILL BE PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST PROJECTS, CERTAINLY DOWNTOWN AND I THINK PROBABLY IN THE CITY TO REALLY MAKE AN IMPACT FOR THE DOLLARS THAT WE'RE HAVING TO SPEND.

SO THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT.

THANK YOU, STAFF, FOR JUST YOUR, YOUR PERSEVERANCE AND EVERYBODY'S WILLINGNESS TO TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK.

SO I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT IT AND HAVE MADE A MOTION AS SUCH.

ONCE IT GETS TO THAT POINT.

WELL, YOU CAN GO AHEAD WHILE YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

OKAY. WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE INCENTIVES AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.

COUNCILMAN HOLLAND. HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM HAVE STOOD IN LINE TO BUY A TICKET TO GO SEE A MOVIE OF THE FINE ARTS? THEATER? YEAH, NOT AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER I HAVE.

IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE OLD.

I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I TOOK MY.

THE LADY WHO BECOME MY WIFE ON OUR FIRST DATE TO SEE DUSTIN HOFFMAN IN MARATHON MAN IN ABOUT IN ABOUT 76 OR 77 OR SO. SO BEEN A BEEN A LONG, LONG TIME.

AND I'M GLAD. I'M EXCITED TO SEE THE THE LIGHTS ON THE FINE ARTS THEATER ILLUMINATE THE ENTIRE SQUARE.

IT'S A WONDERFUL ASSET.

AND I'M EXCITED TO SECOND THE MOTION.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

THANK YOU. MAYOR.

FIRST OFF, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO TO VOTING FOR THIS.

BRAD AND ALEX, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING THIS.

GREAT JOB. DO YOU HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS? WITH THE PROJECT THIS SIZE, 410,000 AND SOFT COSTS, IS THAT IS THAT TYPICAL WITH THE PROJECT THIS SIZE? AND CAN YOU MAYBE THROW OUT A FEW EXAMPLES OF.

I DON'T THINK I'LL SEE IF THEY MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT WE DID HAVE THE THIRD PARTY UNDERWRITER COME IN AND REVIEW THAT.

WHO FELT THAT? THAT NUMBER.

THAT THE THE THE PROJECT PARAMETERS AND WAS IN LINE WITH THE COST FOR THE PROJECT.

AND THEN I'LL HAVE ONE MORE FOR YOU AFTER.

THANK YOU. WELL THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR THAT QUESTION. THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR SUPPORT.

IT AT LEAST TO THIS POINT, I APPRECIATE IT.

IT REALLY HAS BEEN A LABOR OF LOVE UP TO THIS POINT, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TO TO THANK.

AND IT'S NOT JUST ME AND ALEX.

JASON IN PARTICULAR HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN WHAT WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN DALLAS TO KIND OF SHOW US THE WAY, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS CAN BE DONE AND THAT THIS REALLY IS A COMMUNITY PROJECT, THAT IT'S IT'S A THE COMMUNITY'S BUILDING, EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON IN THERE.

AND JASON, YOU KNOW, PREACHES TO THIS ALL THE TIME AND HE CAN DO IT BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT IT REALLY IS WHAT, YOU KNOW IS DRIVEN BY WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE AND PARTICIPATE IN. AND SO WE'RE SO EXCITED ABOUT IT.

WE ARE DEVELOPERS OF LOTS OF OTHER YOU KNOW, REAL ESTATE AND OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL.

AND SOFT COSTS TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, END UP RANGING MORE, MORE, ABOUT 10% ALL IN.

AND SO A LOT OF TIMES, JUST THE DEVELOPMENT FEE ALONE THAT A DEVELOPER WILL CHARGE IS ABOUT 5% OF THE PROJECT COST.

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THEY ARE DEFERRING THAT DEVELOPER FEE TILL OUT BEYOND YEAR TEN.

AND SECOND QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYOR AND THE BACKUP I NOTICED IN THE THE INCENTIVE EVALUATION MATRIX, LOOKING AT THE THE THE PRIORITY CONSIDERATIONS, I UNDERSTAND THE SCORING SYSTEM OF THAT.

ONE THING OF NOTE, AND I'D JUST LIKE YOU TO SPEAK TO THIS ONE OF THE CATEGORIES WAS PAYS A LIVING WAGE FOR ALL NEW EMPLOYEES, AND THE MAXIMUM WAS TEN POINTS.

AND THIS PROJECT ONLY SCORED TWO POINTS.

SO BY THAT, SHOULD I ASSUME THAT FOLKS WHO WILL BE WORKING HERE WILL BE MAKING LESS THAN A MINIMUM WAGE? LESS THAN A LIVABLE WAGE? SO THIS PROJECT, AS WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT, IS DIFFERENT THAN A TYPICAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS PROJECT BRINGS FORWARD ABOUT 16 JOBS, WHICH IS WHAT KIND OF WEIGHED INTO THAT SCORE BEING A LITTLE LOWER.

THE THE JOBS THAT THEY'RE PRODUCING ARE GOING TO BE HOSPITALITY TYPE JOBS.

SO IT IS CLOSE TO THAT MINIMUM WAGE, BUT IT IS STILL SERVICE INDUSTRY PAY.

WE'RE TALKING THEATER OPERATORS BAR SERVERS.

SO IT WAS IT.

IT DID RECEIVE SOME POINTS BUT NOT WHAT YOU'RE TYPICALLY USED TO SEEING IN AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY WORKERS IN A DISTRIBUTION CENTER OR AN ENGINEERING FIRM.

THIS IS A HOSPITALITY JOB DRIVEN.

THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU. SO MY BIG QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERS ALREADY.

SO I WILL JUST SAY I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE FACT THAT PRETTY MUCH WE'VE HAD SOMETHING OFF THE TAX ROLLS FOR CLOSE TO 40 YEARS AND HAVING THAT RETURN TO PRODUCTIVITY IN ADDITION TO YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER LOVELY SENTIMENTS ABOUT MARATHON MAN AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT, THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.

I WAS SEVEN YEARS OLD.

THAT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT SORT OF ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION AND THAT CATALYST TYPE PROJECT.

SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO VOTE YES WHEN THE VOTE COMES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. I'M PLANNING ON MEETING ALL THE LADIES FOR WINE TIME AND A MOVIE, SO IT'S GOING TO BE EXCITING WHEN WE GET TOGETHER. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

WE NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT SIDE OF THE SQUARE CARTWRIGHTS.

YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TO YOUR PLACE NUMEROUS TIMES, SO I APPRECIATE YOU BEING THERE.

YEAH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THIS.

I THINK THAT IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CONTINUE TO GROW AND REALLY SHOW THE SHOW THE FOLKS HOW WE HOW WE SUPPORT OUR BUSINESSES COMING IN.

I KNOW THAT WE SPEAK OF SMALL BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, COMING IN, AND THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE THAT SUPPORT.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU. AND MR. CITY MANAGER, I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE CHRISTINE.

THIS HAS BEEN A LONG ROAD I KNOW, FOR Y'ALL, BUT CHRISTINE IS HUNG IN THERE.

WHEN WE MET WITH YOU ALL, WE MADE A COMMITMENT THAT WE'D MAKE THIS WORK.

IT TOOK A LITTLE LONGER THAN I THINK WE ANTICIPATED, BUT THE EFFORT WAS SURELY THERE, AND THE PASSION WAS THERE FROM CHRISTINE FROM THE BEGINNING.

AND SHE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND HOURS MEETING AND MAKING SURE WORKING WITH SCOTT BRAY AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

SO I JUST NEED TO RECOGNIZE HER FOR HER HARD WORK AND DILIGENCE, BECAUSE I THINK SHE'S THE ONE THAT HELPED MAKE THIS HAPPEN, WORKING IN COOPERATION WITH THE TEAM. AND WE'RE ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THE LIGHTS COME BACK ON AND THINGS HAPPENING.

YEAH. SO, CHRISTINE, ONE MORE THING.

CAN YOU CAN YOU PULL UP THE A WEB PAGE AND GO TO.

BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING ARE SO THAT IT'S ARCHIVED.

THE TEXAS THEATER.

COM. AND THEN GO TO THE BOTTOM TO HISTORY.

NO, NO. GO. YEAH. GO.

SCROLL DOWN TO THE BOTTOM THERE.

YEAH. AND IT'S THE HISTORY TAB AT THE VERY BOTTOM.

SORRY THIS MOUSE IS NOT WORKING.

YEAH. THAT HISTORY TAB THERE AND THEN JASON, IF I COULD BORROW YOU PLEASE.

AND THANK YOU. I'M JUST MAKING SURE MY WEBSITE WORKS.

YEAH. NO, IT'S GOOD I, I CHECKED IT BEFORE I HAD HIM PULL IT UP.

I'M WITH YOU. YEAH.

SO IF YOU SCROLL DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT THERE, I DON'T KNOW, CHRISTINA, IF YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN TO THE TO THE MAP.

I'M LEFT HANDED, SO I CAN'T REALLY SAY.

OH, WHERE'D HE GO? IS IT? OH, SHIT. ARE WE ON HISTORY? RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, THERE SHOULD BE A MAP THERE, RIGHT? YEAH. THERE IT IS. THERE IT IS.

OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU.

OH. OH, WE'RE WORKING ON THE WEBSITE.

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NO, BUT I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT, RIGHT.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT I TALKED TO TALKED TO BRAD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, JUST UNDERSTANDING THE THOUGHT THAT GOES INTO WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND NOT JUST THROWING OUT NUMBERS RANDOMLY AND NOT THINKING THROUGH THINGS, BUT THINKING THROUGH AND AND BEING INTENTIONAL ABOUT IT.

SO IF YOU THOSE TRACKING ALONG, IF YOU GO TO TEXAS THEATER AND YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF SIMILARITIES.

AND THERE'S NOT A HUGE PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET.

RIGHT. AND SO SO WE'RE BRINGING IN AND PARTNERING WITH PEOPLE WITH SIMILAR CHALLENGES THAT HAVE EXPERIENCE.

AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND IT SHOWS JUST KIND OF THE THE MENTALITY OF, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE WE'RE BEING WE'RE CHALLENGING OURSELVES TO MAKE DECISION.

RIGHT. AND SO COULD YOU JUST TALK TO US ABOUT KIND OF YOUR CUSTOMER EXPERIENCES AND ALL THAT? BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME THING. THERE'S A ROAD IN FRONT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF PARKING.

THERE'S SOME PARKING SPACES A FEW BLOCKS AWAY.

AND SO WHAT'S WHAT'S A DAY IN THE LIFE? WELL, I MEAN, PEOPLE JUST WALK AND IT'S FINE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.

WE DO HAVE A COUPLE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE NOT AS EVIDENT IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEY'RE THERE.

SO WE HAVE SIGNAGE TO KIND OF TELL YOU WHERE THOSE GO.

AND THE BANK OF TEXAS, WHICH IS KIND OF WHERE THAT RED DOT IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM US.

THEY, THEY GAVE US THEIR THEIR PARKING LOT YEARS AGO.

LOTS OF COMMUNITY BUSINESSES, JEFFERSON'S MOSTLY INDEPENDENT BUSINESSES.

SO THEY'D HAVE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES AND DECADES WHILE THE THEATER WAS WAS EITHER NOT DOING GREAT OR JUST CLOSED ENTIRELY.

SO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE THERE WAS WHAT WE ENGAGED FIRST TO TELL THEM WE WERE COMING.

WE WERE COMING MOSTLY AFTER THEY WERE CLOSED, USUALLY AT 5:00, 6:00 IN THOSE BUSINESSES.

BUT WE'VE ACTIVATED MANY OF THOSE BUSINESSES, SO WE COULD HAVE NEVER PREDICTED THAT.

IT'S EASY FOR US TO TAKE A LOT OF THAT CREDIT NOW AND SAY, OH, LOOK AT ALL THE THINGS WE DID.

BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW.

WE JUST WERE TRYING TO SAVE THE THEATER AND GET IT GOING.

IT JUST TURNED OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY BUSINESSES HAVE COME IN BECAUSE OF THE THEATER, BECAUSE OF US BEING OPEN AND ACTIVATED.

WE'VE NEVER HEARD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE PARKING.

AND WE HAVE 1 OR 2 SOLD OUT SHOWS A MONTH.

SO THAT'S IN COMBINATION WITH RESTAURANTS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE NOW OPEN.

SO THE CITY OF DALLAS, SINCE WE'VE STAYED OPEN, HAS NOW DUMPED LOTS OF DEVELOPMENT FUNDS INTO OUR STREET, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE'VE STAYED OPEN.

SO THERE'S JUST UNTOLD, UNPREDICTABLE THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN AS A RESULT OF JUST ACTIVATING THAT SPACE AND PEOPLE GETTING EXCITED ABOUT DOING SOMETHING.

AND I JUST DON'T YOU GUYS HAVE SUCH AN EASIER WALK.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST SUCH AN EASY WALK.

SO I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT PARKING A BLOCK AWAY IF THEY HAVE TO.

IF ANYTHING, THEY'RE GOING TO WALK BY A RESTAURANT.

BINGO. YEAH. NO, I THINK THAT AND THAT'S WHAT I SEE IT BEING I SEE IT BEING A TO TO COUNCIL MEMBER POINT A CATALYST.

BUT FOR THAT WEST SIDE OF, OF HICKORY STREET, RIGHT.

IT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE FOOT TRAFFIC AND BRING MORE PEOPLE TO THOSE BUSINESSES IN THAT SECTION OF DOWNTOWN.

SO. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS FITTING THAT IT'S ALMOST EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, A SIMILAR FOOTPRINT OR CHALLENGE, IF YOU WILL, DEPENDS ON HOW YOU SEE IT THAT WE HAVE. SO OURS WAS WAY MORE CHALLENGING, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

IT WAS A IT WAS A TOUGH, TOUGH NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THIS ONE'S GOING TO BE A KILLER THING IF YOU GUYS CAN DO IT.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. SURE. ALL RIGHT.

SO. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM B.

MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I WE'RE MAKING A BIG COMMITMENT.

YOU'RE MAKING A BIG COMMITMENT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ONE BACK TO YOU THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS OPEN.

I'VE GOT THE THE TOM AND BRENDA OXLEY HERE OR OTHER PARTNER PARTNERS AS WELL AS MY MOM AND ANDREW.

SHE WAS ONE THAT WAS AT THE FINE ARTS, FINE ARTS AS THEY CALLED IT.

RIGHT, MOM? THANK YOU SO, SO MUCH.

SHE NOBODY'S GOT A MOTHER LIKE I DO.

SHE SUPPORTS ME AND EVERYTHING, AND SHE'S BEEN GREAT.

BUT, MOM, LET'S BRING THE FINE ARTS BACK.

HERE WE GO. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YEAH. OPENING.

OPENING NIGHT. THE TRASH MOVIE.

YEAH. IT'S DANGEROUS.

DON'T LOOK IT UP. OKAY, THAT TAKES US TO ITEM B, WHICH IS ID 24266.

[B. Consider adoption of an ordinance establishing the City of Denton Utility System Nodal Market Revenue Financing Program and authorizing Utility System Nodal Market Revenues Notes, Taxable Series A, in a maximum aggregate principal amount not to exceed sixty million five thousand dollars ($60,005,000) to satisfy ERCOT financial security requirements; and providing an effective date. The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (5-0).]

NOTES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THIS AD OF FINANCE HERE TO TALK ABOUT WELLS FARGO.

LETTER OF CREDIT.

AND JUST TO DISCUSS PRIOR TO OCTOBER 1ST, 2023, ERCOT PROVIDED THE CITY OF DENTON $40 MILLION OF UNSECURED CREDIT

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AND BEFORE OCTOBER 1ST, DME HAD A POST CASH JUST TO, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY FUNDS FUND THOSE PURCHASE POWER.

AFTER OCTOBER 1ST, THE ERCOT BASICALLY CHANGED ALL THE PROTOCOLS.

SO THEY GAVE ALL MARKET, THEY CEASE ALL MARKET PARTICIPANT UNSECURED LINE OF CREDIT BASICALLY.

SO THEY GAVE PARTICIPANT OPTIONS EITHER TO GET, YOU KNOW, TO BASICALLY FUND CASH OR GO TO LETTER OF CREDIT.

THOSE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS THAT THEY PROVIDED MARKET PARTICIPANTS.

SO RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY DME OR THE STATE OF DEHEN IS FUNDING ALL ALL DOLLARS OR OR ALL COLLATERAL BY CASH.

PRETTY MUCH. AND THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS, WE WENT THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS, AND THEN WE SELECTED A BANK, WELLS FARGO, TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS LETTER OF CREDIT PROCESS WITH US.

NOW JUST TALK ABOUT THE PROGRAM ITSELF.

IT'S GOING TO COST ABOUT $500,000 PER YEAR.

AND WE SIGNED A THREE YEAR WE'RE GOING TO SIGN A THREE YEAR CONTRACT.

DRAWDOWN IS NOT ANTICIPATED.

DME WILL CONTINUE TO PAY AND MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS ACCORDING FOR THE PURCHASE POWER.

IT IS VERY UNLIKELY FOR THE CITY TO ACTUALLY DRAW ON THIS LETTER OF CREDIT.

BUT IF THAT DOES HAPPEN, WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES OR WE HAVE WAYS TO MITIGATE WHAT WE COULD DO FROM A FINANCING PERSPECTIVE.

SO REALLY NOW STAFF RECOMMENDS THIS OPTION FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

IT PROTECTS THE CITY LIQUIDITY THE INTEREST EARNING FROM THE CASH THAT WE'RE KEEPING HERE AT THE CITY IS GOING TO OFFSET A LOT OF THAT COST FOR THIS LETTER OF CREDIT, AND ALSO BY GOING TO THE GOING TO THE LETTER OF CREDIT, IT'S GOING TO MEET THE PROTOCOLS THAT WAS REQUIRED BY ERCOT, BASICALLY.

AND LASTLY, WE'RE HERE TO BASICALLY ASK MAYOR AND COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE US TO SIGN THIS CONTRACT TO GET THIS LETTER OF CREDIT UP TO $60 MILLION.

QUESTIONS. OKAY.

COUNCILWOMAN. MELTZER.

YES. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ALL MAKES SENSE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE KIND OF THE OPTION AVAILABLE TO US.

BUT IS IS THERE ANY DOWNSIDE TO THIS APPROACH AND IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE? THERE ARE ONLY REALLY TWO OPTIONS CASH OR LETTER OF CREDIT.

YOU KNOW, AS WE WORK TOGETHER WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM AND ALSO WITH OUR INVESTMENT TEAM HERE AT THE CITY OF DEN, AND WE DECIDED THAT THIS WAS THE BEST OPTION FOR US. AND REALLY, THE MAIN REASON, I THINK IS REALLY FOR LIQUIDITY PURPOSE.

WE GET TO KEEP OUR CASH AND THAT CASH WILL BE EARNING INTEREST.

YEAH. AND BY THE WAY, I ALSO AM REMINDED AND HASTENED TO REMIND OTHERS THAT WE SIGNIFICANTLY WIN AWARDS FOR FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT IN OUR CITY STAFF.

AND WHEN I SAY WE, I MEAN YOU ALL SO I MOVE APPROVAL.

MAYOR. OKAY.

IS THERE A SECOND? MAYOR PRO TEM.

I'LL SECOND. OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.

LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. IT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

YES. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO ITEMS C AND THEN D.

IT'S ONE PRESENTATION SO I'LL CALL THEM BOTH.

[C. Consider adoption of an ordinance directing the publication of Notice of Intention to issue $84,770,000 in principal amount of Certificates of Obligation of the City of Denton for General Government and Solid Waste projects; and providing an effective date. The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (5-0).]

[D. Consider adoption of an ordinance directing the publication of Notice of Intention to issue $177,560,000 in principal amount of Certificates of Obligation of the City of Denton for Waterworks and Wastewater System and Electric System projects; and providing an effective date. The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (5-0).]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE DIRECTING THE PUBLIC PUBLICATION OF NOTICE OF INTENTION TO ISSUE.

$84,770,000 IN PRINCIPAL AMOUNT ON CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION OF THE CITY OF DENTON FOR GENERAL GOVERNMENT AND SOLID WASTE PROJECTS. AND THEN ITEM D IS ID 24569.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE DIRECTING THE PUBLICATION OF NOTICE OF INTENTION TO ISSUE 177,560,000, IN PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATIONS OF THE CITY OF DENTON FOR WATERWORKS AND WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM AND ELECTRIC SYSTEM PROJECTS.

I THINK THAT'S MORE THAN MY SLIDE DECK RIGHT THERE, THAT ENTIRE READING.

RANDY KLINGLE, TREASURY MANAGER FROM THE FINANCE OFFICE TODAY I'M PRESENTING TO YOU NOTICE OF INTENTIONS FOR THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATIONS FOR THE BOND SALE THIS SUMMER.

THANKFULLY, NOTHING YOU HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE.

SO AN ANNUAL PROCESS FOR THE BOND SALE.

SO THE NOTICE OF INTENTION.

THE PURPOSE IS FOR THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW, THAT WE PUBLISH IN OUR LOCAL CIRCULATION TWO TIMES, ONCE A WEEK FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKS. AND THAT IS THE DENTON RECORD-CHRONICLE CURRENTLY.

AND I WILL ALSO POST THAT ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

AND THEN ONCE WE DO THE FIRST PUBLICATION, WITHIN 46 DAYS OF THAT, I'LL BE BACK BACK TO THIS BOARD TO THE COUNCIL WITH A BOND PARAMETERS ORDINANCE THAT WILL GIVE YOU THE FINAL NUMBERS FOR THE ACTUAL BOND SALE IN YOUR BACKUP.

YOU ALSO HAVE THIS LIST ON YOUR EYES SHEET.

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AND IT ALSO INDICATES WHAT THE NOTICE OF INTENT IS FOR TODAY.

SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED AND THEY MAY CHANGE AGAIN ONCE WE GET TO BOND COUNCIL.

BUT THIS IS THE THE CAP FOR THE NOTICE OF INTENT FOR THE CEO'S FOR GENERAL GOVERNMENT INCLUDES INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS FOR $3.3 MILLION.

AND YOU SEE THAT LIST THERE.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER THE LIST.

WE DO HAVE STAFF HERE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.

BUT THESE WERE ALSO REVIEWED, YOU KNOW, DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

NEXT WE HAVE THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT CONTINUED WITH A TOTAL OF $76.4 MILLION.

THAT JUST REDUCED SLIGHTLY LESS THAN 500,000 WHEN THEY REVIEWED THEIR PROJECTS.

FOR GENERAL GOVERNMENT. WE ALSO HAVE THE SOLID WASTE PROJECTS, WHICH WAS REDUCED TO ABOUT $2.8 MILLION, AND I BELIEVE THE CELL CELL FIVE AND SIX CONSTRUCTION THEY PUT OFF TO FUTURE YEARS. SO THAT WAS PART OF THE REDUCTION FOR THIS, THIS FUND HERE.

SO THE TOTAL FOR YOUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM FOR GENERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE SOLID WASTE IS $84,770,000.

NEXT WE'LL MOVE TO THE UTILITY SYSTEMS. THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE, THE WATER DEPARTMENT WHICH THE NOTICE OF INTENT IS $60 MILLION, WHICH IS A REDUCTION OF ABOUT $22.5 MILLION FROM THE TIME OF BUDGET.

AND THAT REDUCTION IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THINGS ARE STILL IN DESIGN.

SO THEY'RE REALLY, NOT REALLY READY TO PUT SHOVEL IN THE DIRT.

SO THEY'RE STILL IN THE DESIGN PROCESS.

WASTEWATER REMAIN THE SAME.

BUDGET. THE NOTICE OF INTENT AT $55.9 MILLION.

THE ELECTRIC FUND ALSO REDUCED BY ABOUT $22.5 MILLION, AND THEY JUST DID A COMPLETE REVIEW OF THEIR PROJECT LIST FROM THE BUDGET TO THIS, THIS TIME.

SO THAT'S WHAT THEY FOUND IN IN THE WORKS THAT THEY COULD HANDLE FOR THIS BOND SALE.

SO FOR THE UTILITIES NOI, WHICH IS YOUR SECOND AGENDA ITEM? WE HAVE A TOTAL OF $177,560,000.

SO MY NEXT STEPS IN JUNE I WILL COME BACK WITH A PARAMETERS ORDINANCE WITH THE FINAL NUMBERS, WITH ALL THESE PROJECT LISTS AND A PRELIMINARY SALE IN JUNE AND THEN FINAL, WE GET THE PROCEEDS IN LATE JULY.

I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO, RANDY JUST JUST I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR.

WHEN WE SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BUDGET AND THE NOTICE OF INTENT.

THAT IS A SCALING BACK OF THE PROJECT.

OR ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE LINE ITEMS WHERE WE INTEND TO DO THE BUDGET LEVEL, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE FUNDING TO GET TO IT.

NORMALLY THEY'RE JUST REVIEWING WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE BUDGET PROCESS, WHICH IS REALLY INTENSE.

AND BY THE TIME THEY GET TO THE NOTICE OF INTENT, THE FISCAL YEAR HAS BEEN CLOSED.

THEY CAN SEE THEIR TRUER NUMBER.

AND I DON'T THINK REALLY NORMALLY THE PROJECTS AREN'T CHANGING OR LESSENING.

THEY CAN JUST SEE THAT WHERE THEY ARE AND THEIR TIME FRAME AND THEIR CONSTRUCTION PLAN, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUSH SOME DOLLARS TO THE FUTURE DOLLARS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AND DON'T WANT TO SELL FUNDS NOW THAT THEY CAN'T USE.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO PUSH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

KNOW THAT THAT MAKES SENSE.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY. THAT'S ALL MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COUNCILMAN. WHAT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

DO WE NEED TO DO THESE SEPARATELY? YES. OKAY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ITEM C, RIGHT? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM C AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.

OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM SECOND.

OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ITEM C.

ANY DISCUSSION? VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM D.

COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S SO MOVE? MAYOR PRO TEM SO SECONDED.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SPOT ON THE SCREEN.

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM E, OUR LAST ITEM BEFORE CONCLUDING ITEMS ID 24562.

[E. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton authorizing the submission of an application through the Water Utilities Department to the Texas Water Development Board for financial assistance via a fixed rate loan in the amount of $195,845,000 from the State Water Implementation Fund for Texas to fund the Ray Roberts Water Treatment Plant Expansion Project; and providing an effective date. The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (5-0-1).]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I'M STEPHEN GAY, DIRECTOR OF WATER UTILITIES.

WE'RE EXCITED TO GIVE YOU YOUR LAST PRESENTATION FOR THIS EVENING.

HOPE YOU'RE AS EXCITED AS WE ARE.

I'M JOINED THIS EVENING BY JESSICA WILLIAMS, THE CITY'S CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, AND WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD'S SWIFT LOAN PROGRAM, WHICH IS THE STATE WATER IMPLEMENTATION FUND FOR TEXAS.

AND I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT OR JUST PUNCTUATE THAT.

THE ACTION WE'RE ASKING YOU TO TAKE THIS EVENING IN NO WAY OBLIGATES THE CITY TO ACCEPT THESE FUNDS.

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SO THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING IS THE LAKE RAY ROBERTS TREATMENT WATER TREATMENT FACILITY.

THAT FACILITY WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2002.

AND IT HAS A CURRENTLY HAS A TREATMENT CAPACITY OF 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

MOST OF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN OUT THERE AND HAVE SEEN THE SITE BASED OFF OF THE HUNTER COAL ANALYSIS, THE MUD GROWTH ANALYSIS, AND OUR AVERAGE ANNUAL GROWTH, THE CITY IS CURRENTLY ANTICIPATED TO NEED A TREATMENT CAPACITY AT THAT SITE OF ROUGHLY 110 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

THE PLANNED EXPANSION.

THIS PLANNED EXPANSION WILL INCREASE THE TREATMENT CAPACITY BY 20 MGD, BUT WE'RE SCALING IT TO GO UP TO 50 MGD.

SO WE'RE BASICALLY BUILDING THE FOOTPRINT, THE BUILDINGS AND ALL THE RESOURCES WE'LL NEED, EXCEPT FOR THE EQUIPMENT TO TREAT 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, WHICH ALLOWS US TO BE SCALABLE AS GROWTH AS WE CONTINUE TO EXPERIENCE THIS GROWTH.

SO THAT'LL GIVE US A TOTAL OF 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF TREATMENT CAPACITY IN THE NEW FACILITY.

AND THEN IN OUR EXISTING FACILITY, WE HAVE 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY FOR A COMBINED TOTAL OF 70 MGD, OR MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

SO THE CURRENT LOAN COST IS WITH THE OK, OR THE OPINION OF PROBABLE COST IS 195,845,000.

WE ARE SEEKING TO APPLY FOR THE SWIFT LOAN PROGRAM AND TO FULLY FUND THIS PROJECT.

AND I'M GOING TO ASK JESSICA TO COME UP HERE AND TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SWIFT FUND PROJECT.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL JESSICA WILLIAMS CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.

SO A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO SAY BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR INTO THIS, WE WILL BE QUICK.

WE KNOW WE ARE THE LAST PRESENTATION OF THE NIGHT AND HAVE BEEN ASKED TO SPEED IT ALONG.

SO WE WILL DO THAT.

DON'T LOOK AT ME. NO, NO, NO, NOT NOT SARA.

SO. SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES THAT WE TALK ABOUT A LOT IN THE CITY OF DENTON IS HOW TO PAY FOR TODAY'S GROWTH.

THE GROWTH WE'RE SEEING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

RIGHT. THAT REALLY WON'T BE IN EFFECT FOR 18 TO 24 MONTHS AS FAR AS REVENUES ARE CONCERNED WITH TODAY'S TAX DOLLAR.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT EARNESTLY OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS IS BUILDING OUT A WAY TO TRULY MEET OUR WATER, WASTEWATER AND STORMWATER CIP NEEDS.

AND ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO DO THAT IS THROUGH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD SWIFT PROGRAM.

SO THIS PROGRAM WAS PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE IN 2013, AND IT WAS THEN PUT INTO LAW THROUGH A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

IN 2014, THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD ADOPTED THE SWIFT RULES, WHICH ALLOWED MUNICIPALITIES FOR THE FIRST TIME TO APPLY FOR THE FUNDS.

THE PROGRAM PROVIDES LOW INTEREST RATES, SO WHAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW IN THE MARKET IS THAT RATES ARE CLIMBING.

MONEY IS GETTING MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE NOW THAN IT WAS, FOR EXAMPLE, DURING COVID, WHEN WE COULD ISSUE DEBT FOR A TOTAL ISSUANCE OF 2.75, WE'RE CLOSER TO 5.35 NOW.

IN FACT, SOME OF WHAT WE JUST LOOKED AT WAS AT 5.35.

SO TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD ALLOWS US TO COME IN LOWER THERE AT ABOUT 3.94.

RIGHT NOW, WE CAN EXTEND OUR REPAYMENT TERMS ON THESE LOANS AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US.

SO THERE ARE DEBT INSTRUMENTS OUT IN THE MARKET THAT WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO CHANGE HOW WE WOULD PAY PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST BACK OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.

HOWEVER, THAT COMES WITH A COST.

TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD ALLOWS US THESE LOWER INTEREST RATES, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL DEFERRAL OF PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY DEFER STARTING THESE PAYMENTS OUT TO EIGHT YEARS FROM THE START OF THE PROJECT OR AFTER PROJECT COMPLETION, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST.

AND THERE'S NO SET MAXIMUM FUNDING, WHICH MEANS THAT AS LONG AS OUR PROJECT IS ON THE TEXAS STATE WATER PLAN, WHICH THIS PROJECT IS, WE ARE ALLOWED TO ASK FOR UP TO 100% LOAN FUNDING FROM TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD.

SO WE IF APPROVED, WE'LL GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO APPLY.

AND AGAIN, WE HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN ASKED TO APPLY YET BY TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD.

AND I'LL GO THROUGH THAT IN JUST A MINUTE AS TO WHY WE'RE GETTING AHEAD OF THIS THE WAY THAT WE ARE.

SO THIS GOES OVER WHAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.

BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY DIVERSIFYING OUR FINANCIAL PORTFOLIO.

AND WE WILL BE COMING TO YOU OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS.

I WOULD SAY OVER THE NEXT 6 TO 9 MONTHS, STEPHEN AND I WILL BE COMING FORWARD LOOKING AT OPTIONS, AS I MENTIONED, TO FUND THE ENTIRE CIP THROUGH DIFFERENT FUNDING MECHANISMS AND SOURCES.

AND THIS WILL IF APPROVED, THIS IS GOING TO HELP TO MAKE A LOT MORE OF THAT MAKE SENSE AND BE MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

THOSE DEFERRED PAYMENTS MEAN THAT ONCE THE REVENUES FROM THE INCREASED CAPACITY ARE ACTUALLY COMING INTO THE CITY, WE'RE USING THOSE FUNDS THEN TO MAKE THOSE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENTS.

THIS IS A COPY OF THE SWIFT LOAN PROCESS.

YOU CAN FIND THIS ON TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD'S WEBSITE.

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BUT I'M GOING TO TALK YOU THROUGH WHAT OUR PLAN IS.

SO BACK ON THE 31ST OF JANUARY, WE DID SUBMIT AN ABRIDGED APPLICATION.

IT WAS SIMPLY TELLING TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO PLAY BALL.

AND WE HAVE THIS PROJECT THAT'S ON THE STATE PLAN.

ON THE 11TH, WE WENT TO THE PUB AND THEY DID RECOMMEND THAT WE RECEIVE YOUR APPROVAL TO APPLY.

WE'RE HERE TONIGHT ON APRIL 2ND.

WE ARE AGAIN SEEKING APPROVAL.

WE ARE NOT COMMITTING OR OBLIGATING THE CITY TO ANYTHING.

WE ARE NOT AGREEING TO.

$105 MILLION $195 MILLION LOAN.

AT THIS TIME WE ARE SIMPLY ASKING FOR YOUR PERMISSION TO APPLY.

IF WE ARE ASKED TO.

THE REASON THAT WE ARE ASKING NOW FOR YOUR PERMISSION TO APPLY IF WE ARE ASKED TO IS BECAUSE WHEN WE WHEN WE ARE ASKED TO APPLY, WE'LL BE OPTIMISTIC.

WE WILL HAVE 30 DAYS TO PUT THE APPLICATION INTO THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD.

SO MY TEAM AND STEPHENS HAVE ALREADY STARTED WORKING TOGETHER ON THAT APPLICATION PROCESS.

SO IF WE ARE ASKED TO APPLY, WE WILL BE READY.

WE WILL MAKE THE 30 DAY DEADLINE, BUT WE NEEDED TO COME TO YOU TONIGHT SO THAT IF THOSE EVENTS OCCUR AS QUICKLY AS AS WE KNOW THAT THEY WILL, WE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO APPLY. SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD IS GOING TO MAKE SOME CHOICES IN JUNE.

WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE ASKING FOR OR WHAT ANY PARTICULAR PRIORITIES OF THE WATER BOARD MAY BE THIS COMING YEAR.

WE WILL THEN COME BACK.

IF WE ARE ACCEPTED AND WE ARE ABLE TO COMMIT TO FUNDING, WE'LL COME BACK TO SEEK A RESOLUTION FROM YOU IN THE AUGUST TIME FRAME.

WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED.

WORKING WITH OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORY TEAM.

SO OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR AND OUR BOND COUNSEL ARE AWARE OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO AND THE BENEFITS OF THE PROGRAM.

SO THEY IN FACT, THEY ARE HERE TONIGHT AND THEY WILL BE READY TO HELP US AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD WILL SELL THEIR BONDS IN OCTOBER, AND THE CITY WILL COMPLETE ITS CLOSING OF THE FUNDING IN THE NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER TIME FRAME. SO WE WILL BE WATCHING AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO SEE WHAT THE MARKET IS DOING.

WE ALL KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT AT BEST.

SO WE'LL SEE IF ANY OF THE CHATTER, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY LOWERS INTEREST RATES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE AT.

WE WILL WE WILL DEFINITELY BRING FORWARD TO YOU THE ABSOLUTE BEST OPTION AND THE BEST FINANCIAL INTEREST OF THE CITY.

BUT THIS DEFINITELY GIVES US A CHANCE TO ALLOW FOR GROWTH NOW AND TO MAINTAIN GENERATIONAL EQUITY FOR THOSE RATEPAYERS.

SO AT THIS POINT, I HOPE THAT WAS THAT WAS PRETTY QUICK.

I WILL TAKE QUESTIONS AND I'LL ASK STEVEN TO COME BACK UP AND JOIN ME.

OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU.

SO THIS IS MORE IN THE WAY OF EDUCATION.

BECAUSE I TRUST YOU GUYS HAVE PLANNED THIS OUT.

BUT WHY WHY WHY DO IT IN 20 AND 30 STAGES? AND AND LET ME, LET ME LET ME ASK A PRELIMINARY QUESTION.

THE THE REQUEST FOR APPROVAL IS FOR THE FULL 50 BUILD OUT, BUT IN STAGES OF 20 AND 30.

AND WE'RE GOING TO FINANCE THEM AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

YEAH. OKAY. GOOD QUESTION, MAYOR PRO TEM, WE'RE BUILDING THE BUILDING FOR 50 MGD CAPACITY.

SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL BE IN PLACE AS WE NEED TO EXPAND OUR TREATMENT CAPACITY.

WE'RE JUST PURCHASING EQUIPMENT.

SO WE'RE USING TODAY'S DOLLARS TO BUILD FOR TOMORROW'S FUTURE.

SO IN DEPENDING WHAT HAPPENS.

SO YOU HAVE THE UNCERTAINTY IN THE FUTURE.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT GROWTH IS GOING TO DO.

DO WE NEED THE ENTIRE TREATMENT CAPACITY THE WHOLE 50 MILLION NOW? NO WE'RE ANTICIPATING NEEDING THAT BUILD OUT CAPACITY I THINK RIGHT AROUND 2058 THAT THE ADDITIONAL 50 MGD.

SO WE'RE STAGING IT.

SO WE'RE BUILDING THE BUILDING. WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE.

SO WHEN WHEN WE START TO SEE OUR DEMANDS BUMP UP AND WE NEED ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT, WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST ADDING ADDITIONAL WHAT WE CALL THEM RACKS.

SO THE TREATMENT COMPONENTS DOES THAT.

NO NO NO THAT HELPS YOU IN THE ENGINEERING.

AND ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE, WE STILL WILL HAVE FULL CAPACITY FOR THE ENTIRE AMOUNT.

NOW AT THE LOW INTEREST RATES.

NOW WE WILL HAVE THE BUILDING AND WE WILL HAVE 20 MILLION GALLONS OF TREATMENT CAPACITY.

AS WE ADD THE ADDITIONAL TREATMENT CAPACITY WE WILL NEED TO FUND THE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT.

SO WHAT THIS WHAT THIS LOAN DOES IS IT ALLOWS US TO BUILD THE BUILDING AND ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE NEED.

SO ALL THE CABLE RUNS EVERY EVERYTHING IS SET UP TO ADD.

KIND OF LIKE BUILDING YOUR LEGO BUILDINGS.

RIGHT. SO YOU'RE JUST GOING TO ADD DIFFERENT COMPONENTS TO IT.

IT'S VERY MODULAR.

SO THE BUILDING THE 195,000,008 45 BUILDS THE BUILDING.

IT'S JUST 20 MILLION GALLONS OF TREATMENT CAPACITY, WHICH GETS US OUT ABOUT TEN MORE YEARS FOR OUR PROJECTIONS FOR OUR DEMAND.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE. AND THEN WE WILL NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING MECHANISMS TO GET THE FINAL 30.

THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THAT WAS THE PIECE THAT I WASN'T CLEAR ON.

THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN.

WHAT'S. SO CURRENTLY YOU'RE SAYING.

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YEARS. OKAY.

3.92. IN THE OUT YEARS 3.74.

CURRENTLY. 4.92.

IN THE OUT YEARS. IN THE OUT YEARS.

BEING THE OUT YEARS.

BEING OUT ABOUT ONE.

NO OUT 30 YEARS.

THAT'S THE 30 YEAR MARK.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND SO THE LOAN IS AMORTIZED OVER WHAT HOW MANY YEARS? 3030. OKAY.

AND SO WE'RE BASICALLY SO HOW MUCH DO YOU ANTICIPATE THOSE MODULARS, THOSE MODULES FOR THE TO GO UP TO THE 50 MILLION.

SO YOU GOT 30 MILLION.

YOU'VE GOT TO PUT IN THERE. WHAT WHAT ARE THOSE RUN APPROXIMATELY JUST I MEAN AT TODAY'S PRICE.

IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, COUNCILOR WATTS.

I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL EQUIPPED TO GIVE YOU A DECENT ESTIMATE AT THIS, THIS TIME.

BUT WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY, THOUGH, IS IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE THAN HAVING TO BUILD THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.

ALL OF THE PLUMBING, ALL THE PIPING, ALL WHATEVER YOU GOT TO PUT IN THERE TO HANDLE JUST EVEN 20 MILLION GALLONS, YOU JUST PLUG AND PLAY BASICALLY.

RIGHT. AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE IF YOU'VE BEEN OVER TO THE LAKE RAY ROBERTS TREATMENT FACILITY, HOW IT'S KIND OF MODULAR, LIKE WE BUILT THIS AND THEN, OH NO, WE NEEDED TO EXPAND. SO THEN WE HAD TO BUILD THIS OVER HERE, AND THEN WE HAD TO BUILD THIS OVER HERE.

WE'RE TAKING THAT OUT OF THE EQUATION.

WE'RE BUILDING THE BUILDING AND EVERYTHING IN PLACE.

SO WE'RE JUST ADDING TREATMENT PROCESSES AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY. WELL I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT WE'VE SEEN LOOK, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE INTEREST RATES STAY THE WAY THEY'VE BEEN.

THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE MORTGAGES AT TWO AND 3%.

IT'S NOT HAPPENING. AND THINGS JUST GET MORE EXPENSIVE AS THE YEARS GO OUT.

SO I THINK WHATEVER WE CAN DO NOW, ESPECIALLY IF YOU CAN GET IT FOR 3.75 OR WHATEVER THAT IS FOR 30 YEARS.

IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD VALUE, BECAUSE I THINK THE MORE WE WAIT, THE MORE EXPENSIVE IT GETS.

AS WE'VE SEEN WITH OTHER PROJECTS IN THE CITY.

AND WATER CERTAINLY IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GROWTH IN THIS, THIS AREA.

SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.

SO LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID.

IF WE APPLY, ARE WE? GUARANTEED THE LOAN OR IS THAT IT HELPED ME.

THERE WAS SOME STATEMENT IN THERE ABOUT IF WE APPLY, WE SORT OF WE'LL GET IT.

BUT IF WE ARE ASKED TO APPLY.

SO WE HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED TO APPLY YET.

OKAY. ALL THAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR IS TELL TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD THAT WE'RE INTERESTED AND WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT MEETS CRITERIA.

AND SO DID EVERY OTHER MUNICIPALITY IN WATER DISTRICT IN THE STATE.

SURE, ABSOLUTELY. ANYBODY WHO HAD SOMETHING ON THE TEXAS WATER PLAN HAD AN OPTION TO GO FORWARD FOR SWIFT FUNDING.

THE FUNDING OPENS ONLY FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO GO AHEAD WITH PRE-APPLICATION IS BECAUSE OF THE WINDOW IN TIME THAT YOU HAVE TO TELL THEM YOU WANT A PROJECT, SO IF THEY ASK US TO APPLY, THEN WE WILL GO THROUGH A FULL APPLICATION PROCESS WITH THEM.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S WHAT OUR STAFF MEMBERS ARE WORKING ON.

AND THEN IF WE MEET THE CRITERIA AND TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD ACTUALLY HAS ISSUED CRITERIA AS TO HOW THEY PRIORITIZE THE PROJECTS.

AND AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE HAS A PROJECT THAT WOULD MEET PRIORITY EVEN IF WE PRIORITIZED IT A ONE OR A TWO.

WE DON'T KNOW IF HOUSTON PRIORITIZES IT A ONE OR A TWO.

SO IT JUST IT'S A BIT OF A LOTTERY AT THIS POINT.

OKAY. SO THEN THE FIRST STEP IS WE HAVE TO BE ASKED TO APPLY.

CORRECT. AND DO WE KNOW WHAT THE CRITERIA IS FOR THEM EVEN CHOOSING WHO THEY'RE GOING TO ASK TO APPLY? I DID NOT FIND AS MUCH INFORMATION FROM THEM ON THAT, BUT I DO HAVE THEIR PRIOR PRIORITIZATION FOR THE THE TRUE APPLICANT PROCESS.

RIGHT, BUT WAS NOT ABLE TO IDENTIFY HOW THEY'RE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS.

OKAY. ONE COULD MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY'RE USING SIMILAR CRITERIA TO WHAT THEY HAVE PUBLISHED FOR THE TRUE APPLICATION PIECE AND THE PRIORITIZATION.

THERE'S THERE'S A LOT THAT I'M SURE GOES INTO DO DO WE HAVE BECAUSE, I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS IMPORTANT.

I MEAN, THIS IS IMPORTANT THAT WE DO ALL THAT WE CAN TO GET ASKED TO APPLY.

AND THEN IN THE APPLICATION, THEY HAVE THE CRITERIA TO PRIORITIZE PRIORITIZING ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS.

DO WE STILL HAVE A CONTRACT WITH ANYBODY IN AUSTIN OR HERE AS FAR AS LEGISLATIVE? PEOPLE THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HELP GUIDE US IN THIS REGARD OR ANY LEVEL OF EXPERTISE THAT WE MIGHT, MIGHT NOT HAVE TO HELP US WALK THROUGH THIS TO GIVE US THE BEST CHANCE OF SUCCESS.

THE CITY DOES HAVE A CONTRACT WITH A CONSULTANT IN AUSTIN.

STEPHEN AND I, OUR TEAMS HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR FEDERAL CONSULTANTS.

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WHEN WE COME FORWARD AGAIN TO BRING YOU OUR PLAN, IT WILL INCLUDE IT WILL TRULY BE A FINANCIAL MASTER PLAN THAT WILL COME ALONG WITH OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON AT THE MOMENT.

BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH KIMLEY-HORN TO MODEL THAT OUT SO THAT WE SEE IF THIS HAPPENS AND THAT HAPPENS.

WHERE DO OUR RATES NEED TO BE? WHERE DO IMPACT FEES NEED TO BE? HOW DO WE STRUCTURE THOSE RATES? WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.

SO WE'RE HAVING ALL OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

WE'RE BOTH VERY ACTIVE WITH THE AMERICAN WATER WORKS ASSOCIATION.

I SERVE ON THEIR FINANCIAL COMMITTEE, AND I KNOW STEPHEN SERVES ON SEVERAL OF THEIR COMMITTEES.

SO OKAY. WONDERFUL.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. YEAH.

COUNCILWOMAN MCGEE. JUDGING BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON'S SKEPTICISM, I'M SHOULD WE SHOULD I TAKE THAT TO BELIEVE THE CITY OF DENTON HAS NEVER APPLIED FOR THE SWIFT LOAN PROGRAM? THAT'S CORRECT. SO THIS PROGRAM WAS, WAS CREATED IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL ELECTION IN 2014.

CORRECT? CORRECT. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE WHAT PROJECTS IS THIS ALL WATER RELATED PROJECTS.

THIS INCLUDE WASTEWATER AS WELL.

THIS EVENING, IN TERMS OF PROJECTS THAT WILL BE PROJECTS THAT CAN QUALIFY FOR THE SWIFT FUNDING HAVE TO BE IDENTIFIED ON THE STATE, THE STATE WATER PLAN.

SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT REGIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, AND EACH ONE OF THOSE REGIONS PUTS TOGETHER A WATER PLAN, A MASTER PLAN, MORE OR LESS A MASTER PLAN, WATER SUPPLY PLAN.

AND THEY IDENTIFY PROJECTS THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT IN REACHING THOSE GOALS.

AND THEY MAKE THOSE THOSE PROJECTS MAKE IT INTO THE WATER PLAN.

SO ONLY THOSE PROJECTS CAN CAN QUALIFY FOR THIS TYPE OF FUNDING.

SO THIS IS AND IS TYPICALLY MORE DRIVEN TOWARDS THE WATER SIDE OF THE EQUATION AND NOT WATER AND WASTEWATER, IF THAT'S THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING.

SO THIS IS THIS IS PROBABLY THE CITY OF DENTON'S FIRST TIME BEING ON THE STATE PLAN THEN AS WELL.

NO, SIR. WE'VE WE'VE BEEN ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING IN REGION C FOR MANY, MANY WELL BEFORE I GOT HERE.

AND THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR REGION C FOR AT LEAST I WOULD SAY.

THREE ITERATIONS OR, YOU KNOW, 8 TO 10 YEARS.

IT'S BEEN ANTICIPATED THAT WE WOULD NEED THIS CAPACITY.

OKAY. AND LAST QUESTION, IF ASKED TO APPLY FROM THE TIME WE SUBMIT THE APPLICATION, HOW LONG WILL IT BE UNTIL WE HAVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER AT THE END OF THE PROCESS? LET ME IT.

OOPS. I'M OFF UP THERE.

SO IF WE ARE ASKED TO APPLY, THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THEIR DECISIONS IN JUNE.

THAT'S WHEN WE ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WILL MAKE THEIR DECISIONS.

AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK SEEKING A RESOLUTION, AN ORDINANCE THROUGH THIS COUNCIL AND APPROVAL TO COMPLETE THE FINANCING, WHICH WOULD STANDARD PRACTICE.

IT'S JUST LIKE WHAT YOU JUST SAW.

IT'S GOING TO LOOK THE SAME ON THAT SIDE OF IT FOR US.

WE'LL WORK THROUGH OUR ADVISORS.

AND THEN TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD WOULD SELL IN OCTOBER.

THERE WILL BE A DROP DEAD DATE, ESSENTIALLY, AFTER WHICH WE CAN'T BACK OUT.

BUT IT IS NOT UNTIL THE FALL.

SO WE CAN WATCH WHAT'S HAPPENING.

TAKE A LOOK AT THE MARKET, TAKE A LOOK AT OUR FINANCIAL MODELING, TAKE A LOOK AT OUR RATES, AND HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE WORLD LOOKS LIKE NINE MONTHS FROM NOW THAN WE POSSIBLY CAN TODAY.

BUT THIS DOES OPEN UP ALL OF OUR OPTIONS.

AND THAT'S REALLY OUR INTENT, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE OPTIONS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.

THIS IS A BIG UNDERTAKING, AND I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE'RE GOING TO BE DECIDING FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR FORWARD THINKING AND AND AND WORKING THIS ALL OUT AND GETTING US ON A GOOD, GOOD FOOTING.

COUNCILWOMAN MELTZER.

YEAH. THANK YOU. YES, ABSOLUTELY.

I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING MORE IMPORTANT WE'RE GOING TO ACT ON IN TERMS OF LONG TERM THAN THAN OUR WATER TREATMENT CAPACITY.

SEE, THOSE TOURS WERE A GOOD IDEA.

BUT I'M CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF HOW THIS GAME'S OUT.

WE HAVE TO BE ASKED TO APPLY.

IF WE'RE NOT ASKED, THEN WE HAVE TO GO TO PLAN B IF WE APPLY AND THEY SAY NO FOR SOME REASON, WE HAVE TO GO TO PLAN B, I ASSUME PLAN B IS CEOS GOES OR REVENUE BONDS.

THAT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

ALL OF WHICH COULD BE APPLICABLE EXCEPT THE GEOS.

BUT WE COULD BE LOOKING AT REVENUE BONDS OR CEOS POTENTIALLY.

AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT ADDITIONAL OPTIONS THERE WILL BE, WHAT FEDERAL FUNDING IS COMING THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

YOU KNOW, CONGRESS HAS BEEN IN RECESS FOR THE PAST TWO WEEKS.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT OF MOVEMENT OVER THIS PAST SEVERAL MONTHS.

BUT WE'LL WE'RE WATCHING CLOSELY TO SEE WHERE ELSE WE CAN POTENTIALLY SECURE FUNDING.

WATER IS DIFFICULT TO FUND.

IT'S THAT'S CONTROVERSIAL.

WELL, IT'S ALSO QUITE NECESSARY.

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BUT WHAT KIND OF RATES ARE WE WOULD WE BE LOOKING AT IF WE WERE DOING THAT TODAY AS FAR AS CEOS OR REVENUE BONDS? ABOUT 5.35% THAT THAT'S YOU REFERENCED BEFORE, THAT WAS A REVENUE BOND RATE THAT WAS TAX EXEMPT.

YEAH, YEAH.

THAT'S WHAT WE JUST WENT OVER IN THE.

NO CONTENT. YEAH.

OKAY. WELL, SO I MEAN, KNOCKING ON WOOD EVERY DAY THAT WE GET ASKED TO APPLY.

YES. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COUNCILMEMBER WATSON.

MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION.

MAYOR PRO TEM I SECOND.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SPOT ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT TAKES US TO CONCLUDING ITEMS.

[6. CONCLUDING ITEMS]

UNFORTUNATELY, I HEAR THE WEATHER REPORTS ARE NOT GOOD.

PROBABLY 50% OVERCAST.

EVERYBODY KNOCK WOOD, CROSS YOUR FINGERS.

BUT I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE.

I DISCOVERED DENTON IN THE LIBRARIES HAVE VARIOUS LEVELS OF CHEAP OR FREE SOLAR GLASSES DEPENDING ON WHICH WHICH FACILITY YOU GO TO.

SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO COME AND SEE THE 99.8% ECLIPSE HERE AND MAYBE GO A LITTLE SOUTHEAST OF HERE AND, AND SEE SOME TOTALITY.

SO. I THINK JOE WAS SOMEHOW IT CLEARED OFF.

OKAY. YEAH.

IF YOU'RE IF YOU IF YOU'RE WANTING TO SPEAK.

LIGHT HIM UP. IT WON'T LIGHT.

THERE IT IS. COUNCILMAN WATSON.

YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR.

I USUALLY DON'T HAVE CONCLUDING ITEMS. I HAVE A COUPLE. ONE I WANTED TO TAKE A NOTE AND SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY AN ARTICLE THAT WAS IN THE CROSS TIMBERS GAZETTE REGARDING GO ZONE AND THEN JUST DCTA IN GENERAL, JUST SOME VERY BRIEF STATS.

YOU CAN READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE THAT GOES ON IS TRANSPORTING ABOUT 70 TO 75,000 RIDERS OR RIDES A MONTH SINCE ITS INCEPTION, IT'S 1.8 MILLION.

ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE, THE INCIDENT RATE OVERALL IS 0.26 PER 100,000 MILES, DRIVEN AS COMPARED TO THE FEDERAL TRANSIT AUTHORITY'S FTA BENCHMARK OF 0.42.

ALSO, IT TALKED ABOUT, AND I THINK I'M NOT SURE HOW I READ THE ARTICLE, BUT IT SAID THAT OF THE PEOPLE WHO GIVE RATINGS IN THE APP, THAT A MAJORITY OF THEM ARE A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF THEM GIVE 5%, FIVE STARS.

I DON'T DO THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING.

SO IT'S A GOOD ARTICLE IF IF YOU WANT TO SORT OF CATCH UP ON SORT OF AN UPDATE ON THAT STUFF, A COUPLE MORE CONCLUDING ITEMS. MAYOR I WANT TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO GET SOME INFORMATION.

I WAS IN A MEETING LAST WEEK, AND COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE HAD MADE A COMMENT, A STATEMENT THAT HE HAD TALKED TO SOMEONE AT HEB WHO SAID THAT THEY WEREN'T COMING TO DENTON.

THAT'S THE GROCERY STORE BECAUSE OF COUNCIL INFIGHTING.

AND SO I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO GET THE CONTACT NUMBER FOR THAT PERSON SO THAT THE STAFF COULD AT LEAST CONTACT THEM AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT TRANSPIRED.

AND FOR US TO TRY TO PUT FORTH A POTENTIALLY DIFFERENT NARRATIVE SIMPLY BECAUSE I KNOW FOR DECADES, ESPECIALLY SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, THIS COMMUNITY HAS DESIRED TO HAVE AN HEB GROCERY STORE, AND I THINK THE COUNCIL AND STAFF WOULD WORK FEVERISHLY WITH ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME AND BRING A GOOD PROJECT TO DENTON.

SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHY THAT COMMENT WAS MADE.

I'VE GOT SOME OPINIONS ABOUT THAT THAT I DON'T THINK ARE APPROPRIATE FOR CONCLUDING ITEMS, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS A SUREFIRE WAY NOT TO GET PEOPLE TO COME IS TO DISCLOSE INFORMATION LIKE THAT THAT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED WITH STAFF OR CITY MANAGEMENT.

AND ALSO IN THAT REGARD, IF YOU COULD GET WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER, BECAUSE IN THE SAME MEETING, IT WAS REPORTED THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER IS AND THIS ISN'T A CRITICISM HAS, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING WITH EITHER COUNTY OFFICIALS OR CITY OFFICIALS IN THE COUNTY ABOUT HELPING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE FUNDING OF THE SHELTER, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE SENDING HOMELESS PEOPLE HERE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WHAT CONVERSATIONS ARE GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES AND WHY THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE BEING MADE PUBLIC.

BUT THOSE WERE AND SO I'D LIKE TO GET THE INFORMATION ON THE CONTACT FOR HEB.

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AND IF YOU COULD IN FRIDAY'S STAFF REPORT, GIVE US JUST AN UPDATE IF YOU'VE GOTTEN THE INFORMATION AND IF YOU HAVEN'T OR IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT, JUST SO WE'LL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S I HOPE THAT'S A MORE AN EXCEPTION THAN THE RULE BECAUSE I WAS JUST SHOCKED, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.

SO I'D APPRECIATE YOU GETTING THAT INFORMATION.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND.

THIS PAST FRIDAY EVENING, TEXAS WOMAN'S UNIVERSITY FELL IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME TO MINNESOTA STATE, THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT TRIVIA QUESTION ONE OF THESE DAYS.

THIS IS DIVISION TWO BASKETBALL.

AND AND I'M SORRY THEY DIDN'T WIN.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO WIN.

BUT BUT THAT'S BUT THAT'S QUITE A THING.

THEY WERE THEY WERE IN THE GYM AND, AND AND REPRESENTED US WELL I'M VERY PROUD OF THEM.

COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD. EARLIER WE HAD A VERY LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

AND I AGAIN WANT TO REITERATE TO ALL THAT ARE NOT ON ARE NOT SEEKING ANY KIND OF ADDITIONAL WORK OR SOMETHING TO DO.

I AM GOING TO IMPLORE THAT YOU ALL TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO OUR WEBSITE CITY OF DENTON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND LOOK AT ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE HAVE THERE, AND JUST TAKE SOME TIME TO FILL OUT AN APPLICATION, VERY SIMPLE APPLICATION.

AND THEN YOU CAN CHECK OFF EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN.

AND WHENEVER THERE'S AN OPENING, WHICHEVER TIME THAT THEY MAY BE, THERE MAY BE THEN YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ON THAT BOARD.

AND COMMISSIONS, WE HAVE TO DEPEND ON YOU ALL TO HELP US WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO UP HERE.

AND. YOU ALL YOU KNOW, HELP GUIDE US INTO WHAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE THE THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO DO IN CERTAIN REGARDS.

SO I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO ASK YOU ALL TO BE MINDFUL.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE AN ISSUE, YOU WANT TO SPEAK UP ON THE ISSUE, FIND OUT WHAT YOUR YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE MOST INTERESTED IN AND FILL OUT YOUR APPLICATION.

YOU ONLY HAVE TO LIVE HERE AND BE OVER THE AGE OF 18.

THAT'S ITS CRITERIA FOR MOST OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, SO I'LL CONTINUE TO SPEAK ON THAT.

WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

AND JUST TO CLOSE US OUT, SO IT'S I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE THAT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE EASTER EXTRAVAGANZA THAT WAS REALLY GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY. GREAT TURNOUT, GREAT WEATHER.

TASTE OF NORTH TEXAS.

THANK YOU. GOLDEN TRIANGLE MALL, THANK YOU TO ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT PARTICIPATED.

THAT IS GREAT.

REALLY GOOD. OUTING.

GOT TO JUDGE SOME FOOD AND AND WE'RE SO BLESSED WITH DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS, ETC..

SO THAT WAS GOOD.

AND THANK YOU, NOON, KIWANIS, FOR ALL THE GOOD WORK THEY'RE DOING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THEN I HAD A CHANCE TO GO TO THE ARTISTS ENCLAVE THERE.

THEY HAD A EXTRAVAGANZA WHERE PEOPLE DECORATED AND ITS ASSOCIATED WITH GDAC WITH THE ARTS, AND THEY HAD DIFFERENT EGGS THAT ARE DECORATED.

AND THAT WAS A THAT WAS WELL DONE EYE OPENING EVENT PICKING UP WHERE COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND LEFT OFF.

TWU YES I WAS ABLE TO BE ON CAMPUS AND THEY HAD A WATCHING PARTY.

I MEAN, I NEVER WANT TO WATCH A GAME ANYWHERE ELSE.

IT WAS IT WAS REALLY NEAT TO WATCH ON CAMPUS WITH ALL THE STUDENTS.

AND TO THAT END, THE ENTIRE TEAM'S RETURNING BACK.

AND SO IT SETS UP VERY WELL FOR ANOTHER RUN THIS COMING YEAR.

AND CAN ALONG WITH THAT, UNT BOTH MEN AND WOMEN'S BASKETBALL TEAMS GOT TO PLAY INTO THE TOURNAMENTS.

AND SO THAT WAS A REALLY GREAT YEAR FOR FOR ALL OUR, OUR SPORTS.

AND THEN I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO PAT SMITH.

HE'S JUST A THE WHOLE SMITH FAMILY.

I MEAN IS TIM SMITH ON P AND Z AND ALL THE THINGS THEY DO IN OUR COMMUNITY.

BUT AND I WISH THERE WAS MORE WAYS TO PARTNER WITH THEM FROM A CITY STANDPOINT BECAUSE HE'S JUST SUCH A GOOD REPRESENTATIVE.

SO IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW SERVE DENTON HAS OBVIOUSLY STARTED HERE, BUT THEN THEY'VE EXPANDED TO SERVE.

LEWISVILLE IS OPEN.

THEY ARE WORKING WITH GARLAND TO PLANT A FLAG THERE.

AND THEN I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, ALONG WITH A COUPLE OF STAFF MEMBERS, TO VISIT WITH PLANO, CITY OF PLANO, WHILE THEY'RE IN TOWN TALKING TO SERVE DENTON.

AND SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOMEONE THAT'S DOING THE WORK REPRESENTING DENTON WELL AND BRINGING IN, I MEAN, THEY MAY BE OUR LARGEST SOURCE OF ECONOMIC OR JUST NOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PER SE, BUT GETTING OUTSIDE PEOPLE TO DENTON, I MEAN, THEY MAY BE LEADING THE CHARGE.

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THE KEY PEOPLE THEY'RE BRINGING TO DENTON.

AND THEN WHAT WHAT ESTABLISHES HERE IS BEING REPLICATED.

AND WHAT A COMPLIMENT THAT IS.

SO THANK YOU.

TO SERVE DENTON PAT SMITH, HIS ENTIRE TEAM.

THANK YOU. THE CITY OF PLANO CITY MANAGER, ETC.

FOR FOR VISITING DENTON AND TAKING AN INTEREST IN WHAT THEY'VE SET UP TO DO.

AND THEN LASTLY, OUR NEXT TO LAST, THE THE CHURCH.

THE CHURCH IT'S THE CHURCH.

PENTECOST USA, THEIR TEXAS REGION HAD AN ANNUAL THEIR EASTER CONVENTION, THEIR EMBASSY SUITES.

AMAZING. IT HAD TO BE 2000 PEOPLE.

HUGE PRODUCTION BROUGHT IN AN ARTIST FROM LONDON AND MOST OF THEIR CONGREGATION IS FROM GHANA AND DIFFERENT PARTS OF AFRICA AND LOTS OF STUDENTS HERE. SO IT'S JUST THE ENERGY AND IT WAS REALLY NEAT.

AGAIN, JUST TALK ABOUT PUTTING DENTON ON THE MAP AND SPOTLIGHTING PEOPLE COMING HERE AND, AND HAVING A GREAT TIME FOR, FOR THAT CONFERENCE.

SO THAT WAS GOOD. I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS BECAUSE I HOPEFULLY WILL BE ABLE TO FIND HER AND REACH OUT TO THE CHANCELLOR AT TWU.

BUT THERE'S A TWU STUDENT THAT THEIR HER CAPSTONE PROJECT WAS TO DO A COOKBOOK.

IF YOU'VE NOT READ ABOUT IT, IT'S AN AMAZING STORY.

SO SHE DID A COOKBOOK, BUT SHE FOCUSED IT ON INGREDIENTS FROM THE PANTRY ON CAMPUS AND THEN CUSTOMIZED IT TO THOSE THAT HAVE AN APARTMENT.

IF YOU HAVE A STOVE, IF YOU HAVE THOSE THINGS, HERE'S A COOKBOOK FOR YOU FOR PRODUCT STUFF YOU CAN GET FROM THE PANTRY.

AND THEN SHE DID THE SAME.

IF YOU'RE IN A DORM AND ALL YOU HAVE IS A HOT PLATE, SO YOU HAVE A HOT PLATE, YOU HAVE PANTRY FOOD.

HERE'S SOME RECIPES YOU CAN MAKE.

MAN, THAT'S THAT'S SO INSPIRING.

AND THAT'S I MEAN, TALKING ABOUT PRAGMATIC AND SERVING A NEED AND HELPING STUDENTS WHERE THEY ARE AND MEETING THEM WHERE THEY ARE.

SO I HOPEFULLY CAN WORK WITH TWU REACH OUT TO HER CHECK SCHEDULES AND GET HER HERE TO TO READ A PROCLAMATION AND SAY THANK YOU FOR SERVING OUR COMMUNITY SO WELL.

WITH THAT AT 846, WE'LL CONCLUDE TONIGHT'S MEETING.

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.