Jun 18, 2024 City Council on 2024-06-18 2:00 PM

[WORK SESSION]

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GOOD AFTERNOON, AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. TODAY IS TUESDAY, JUNE 18TH, 2024. IT IS 2:01 P.M. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. AND THE

[A. Meeting Questions, Responses & Handouts]

SHOULD I PULL IT? I WOULDN'T PULL IT. SHE'S GOT THE ANSWER. OKAY OKAY. NO, IT'S FOR INDIVIDUAL POOLS. HOMEOWNERS NOW, THE QUESTION OF WHETHER IT'S ONGOING, I THINK IT'S A FIRST TIME INSPECTION, THAT THEY DO WHEN IT'S BEING BUILT. I'VE BEEN IN MY HOME FOR 30 YEARS AND I'VE NEVER HAD SUCH AN INSPECTION, SO BRING IT UP NOW WE JUST A MINUTE. NOW I NOW I TELL YOU. YEAH. OKAY. I NEED YOUR ADDRESS. WE'LL FILL THAT IN TODAY. THANK YOU, GOOD AFTERNOON, CASSIE OGDEN, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, THIS IS FOR COMMERCIAL POOL INSPECTIONS.

SO THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 400 POOL INSPECTIONS OVER THREE MONTHS IN THE SUMMER THAT WE HAVE TO GO INSPECT. AND SO WE HIRE A FIRM TO SUPPLEMENT OUR STAFF INSPECTION HOTELS AND IS THERE ANYTHING OTHER THAN A HOTEL THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO, I AM NOT. WELL, IT WOULD BE SURE ABOUT THAT. JUST THAT TO PUT IT IN YOUR FACE. YEAH. I'M NOT I'M NOT HEARING IT. OKAY IS THAT APARTMENTS? YES. PROBABLY WOULD BE APARTMENTS. AND THIS IS BETTER DONE WITH A CONSULTANT THAN IN-HOUSE. YES, I THINK BECAUSE OF THE TIME FRAME THAT IT'S COMPRESSED OVER, WE DO IT OVER THE SUMMER MONTHS TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE POOL IS OPERATING CORRECTLY AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND SO IT'S JUST A WAY TO SUPPLEMENT OUR STAFF. OKAY OKAY. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ? SEEING NONE. THAT TAKES US TO.

WELL, AND THEN I'LL NOTE, ITEM. ITEM A HAS BEEN PULLED ALREADY, AND, WE'LL TALK ABOUT B IN THE CLOSED SESSION WHEN WE GET THERE, THAT PLACEHOLDER WILL BE VALID, AT AND NOTHING ELSE HAS BEEN PULLED FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG. AND THAT TAKES US TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION, WHICH IS

[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding Audit Project 039 - Electric System Operations. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

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HOWEVER, THE WAREHOUSE DIVISION MANAGER IS CURRENTLY APPROVING INVENTORY WORK INVENTORY ORDERS AT WAREHOUSE LOCATIONS THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE DIRECT VISIBILITY OF, INCREASING THE RISK THAT ITEMS WILL BE ORDERED INACCURATELY OR UNNECESSARILY AFTER RECEIPT. WE FOUND THAT LIMITED DME LOGISTICS EMPLOYEES, HAS CAUSED SOME STAFF TO PERFORM INCOMPATIBLE DUTIES, IN PARTICULAR, SOME STAFF WHO PHYSICALLY RECEIVE ITEMS ARE ENTERING THE RECEIPT INTO THE CITY'S FINANCIAL SYSTEM, INCREASING THE RISK THAT ORDERED ITEMS WILL BE LOST OR STOLEN WITHOUT NOTICE. IN ADDITION, CREW MEMBERS ARE OCCASIONALLY TAKING ITEMS FROM FROM INVENTORY WITHOUT SUPERVISION FROM LOGISTICS STAFF WHEN EMERGENCIES OCCUR, INCREASING THE RISK THAT

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HOWEVER, STAFF ARE NOT ALL DOCUMENTING WORK ORDERS CONSISTENTLY MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO VERIFY IF THE OPERATION IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH ITS TIMELINESS GOALS. THIS IS GENERALLY BECAUSE WORK ORDERS MAY BE CREATED AFTER THE WORK IS FINISHED, OR MAY BE LEFT OPEN AFTER THE WORK IS COMPLETE. TO HELP WITH MONITORING. FOR THESE REASONS, WE RECOMMEND THAT DEC STAFF BE PROVIDED WITH TRAINING ON WORK ORDER DOCUMENTATION PRACTICES, AND THAT THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE TASKS BE CLARIFIED ACCORDING TO THEIR MANAGEMENT RESPONSE. WORK MANAGEMENT MANUAL HAS BEEN DEVELOPED FOR THE DEC AND STAFF HAS RECEIVED TRAINING IN JUNE OF 2024 FOR TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION LINES AND SUBSTATIONS. WE FOUND THAT ALL REGULATORILY REQUIRED PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE, INCLUDING SUMMER AND WINTER WEATHERIZATION, TRANSMISSION LINE CLEARANCE INSPECTIONS AND TRAINING, AND MANDATORY SUBSTATION EQUIPMENT TESTING AND MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS WERE ALL PERFORMED IN COMPLIANCE AND ADEQUATELY DOCUMENTED. IN ADDITION, DME STAFF IS PERFORMING SOME NON-REGULATORY MAINTENANCE. HOWEVER, THE PROCEDURES AND COMPLETION OF THESE TASKS ARE NOT AS WELL WELL DOCUMENTED. IN ADDITION, DME USES A WORK ORDER SYSTEM TO DOCUMENT AND COMMUNICATE TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM REPAIR NEEDS TO THE UTILITY'S FIELD CREWS. OUR

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FOR THIS REASON, WE'VE RECOMMENDED DOCUMENTING WRITTEN GUIDANCE ON PERFORMING AND DOCUMENTING DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM MAINTENANCE TASKS AND CREATING TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM REPAIR WORK ORDERS TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY. ACCORDING TO DMS, MANAGEMENT RESPONSE STAFF WILL COMPILE AND INTEGRATED DISTRIBUTION MAINTENANCE PROGRAM AND DEVELOP A WRITTEN PROCESS FOR CREATING JOB TICKETS AND THE WORK ORDER SYSTEM. IN ADDITION TO REGULAR MAINTENANCE TASKS.

BEST PRACTICES SUGGEST THAT UTILITIES SHOULD CONDUCT REGULAR, PROACTIVE TREE TRIMMING NEAR THEIR ENERGIZED LINES TO PREVENT OUTAGES AND REDUCE THE RISK OF OTHER ELECTRICAL HAZARDS . THE CITY HAS BEEN CONDUCTING TREE TRIMMING OF ENERGIZED LINES FOR AT LEAST 15 YEARS, AND ESTABLISHED A FORMAL VEGETATION MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IN JUNE OF 2023. THIS PROGRAM GENERALLY HAS PROGRAM GOALS AND STANDARDS FOR TRANSMISSION LINES. POWER DISTRIBUTION LINE GOALS ARE NOT CLEARLY ADDRESSED. IN ADDITION, IT REQUIRES DME TO INSPECT ALL 63 ABOUT 63 MILES OF OVERHEAD LINE EVERY QUARTER. HOWEVER, THESE INSPECTIONS HAVE NOT OCCURRED SINCE 2022. DME IN THEIR MANAGEMENT RESPONSE, STATED THAT THEY PLAN TO COMPLETE THE REQUIRED INSPECTIONS THIS MONTH AND WILL UPDATE THE VEGETATION MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IN THE FUTURE TO INCLUDE DISTRIBUTION GOALS. IN ADDITION, WE FOUND THAT DOCUMENTATION OF TREE TRIMMING, PROJECT PLANNING AND QUALITY CONTROL WERE LACKING. SPECIFICALLY, WHILE OUTAGES FROM PREVIOUS YEARS APPEAR TO INFLUENCE THE NEXT YEAR'S TREE TRIMMING SCHEDULE, IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT OTHER FACTORS LISTED IN THE VEGETATION MANAGEMENT PROGRAM ARE BEING CONSIDERED. IN ADDITION, THE DME , DME HAS AN EMPLOYEE WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OBSERVING THE TREE TRIMMING CONTRACTORS DAILY WORK. HOWEVER, THE DOCUMENTATION OF THESE QUALITY CONTROL ACTIVITIES ARE LIMITED TO TEXT MESSAGES BETWEEN THE CONTRACTOR AND STAFF, MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO VERIFY IF TREE TRIMMING ACTIVITIES MEET THE STANDARDS LAID OUT IN THE VEGETATION MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. FOR THIS REASON, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT TREE TRIMMING, PROJECT PLANNING AND CONTRACTOR QUALITY CONTROL ACTIVITIES BE BETTER DOCUMENTED AND BASED ON THEIR MANAGEMENT RESPONSE, DME WILL DEVELOP A AN ANNUAL PLAN FOR TREE TRIMMING AND DOCUMENT TREE TRIMMING ACTIVITIES IN THEIR NEW ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. FINALLY, WE FOUND THAT SOME CURRENT PROCUREMENT PRACTICES HINDER THE CITY'S ABILITY TO EASILY VERIFY IF THE TREE TRIMMING CONTRACTOR IS BEING PAID ACCURATELY. THESE ISSUES APPEAR TO BE OCCURRING THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND WILL BE ADDRESSED AS PART OF OUR UPCOMING VENDOR MANAGEMENT AUDIT, ISSUE SPECIFIC TO THE TREE TRIMMING CONTRACT HAVE BEEN VERBALLY ADDRESSED WITH THE WITH DME MANAGEMENT. FINALLY BEST PRACTICES SUGGEST THAT A COMPREHENSIVE SAFETY PROGRAM FOR ELECTRIC UTILITIES INCLUDES THREE PARTS ONE. REGULAR REQUIRED SAFETY AWARENESS TRAINING THAT COVERS ALL HAZARDS, AS WELL AS INFORMATION ON WHAT TO DO IF AN INCIDENT OCCURS. TWO REGULAR WORKSITE INSPECTIONS THAT IDENTIFY AND CORRECT HAZARDS SYSTEMATICALLY AND ALLOW FOR TREND ANALYSIS TO INFORM FUTURE TRAINING, AND THREE INCIDENT ROOT CAUSE ANALYZES THAT ARE PERFORMED AND DOCUMENTED SYSTEMATICALLY AND ALLOW FOR TREND ANALYSIS TO INFORM FUTURE TRAINING IN GENERAL. WE FOUND THAT DMS SAFETY AND TRAINING DIVISION HAS ESTABLISHED A REGULAR COMPREHENSIVE TRAINING PROGRAM FOR FIELD AND ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF AND DECK MANAGEMENT HAS DONE THE SAME FOR DECK EMPLOYEES. HOWEVER, TRACKING TRACKING OF EMPLOYEE TRAINING COULD BE FURTHER STREAMLINED THROUGH THE INTRODUCTION OF A LEARNING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. IN ADDITION, THE DIVISION HAS ESTABLISHED A STANDARD WORKSITE INSPECTION FORM, BUT GOALS FOR HOW FREQUENTLY THESE INSPECTIONS SHOULD BE PERFORMED HAVE NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR ALL INSPECTION TYPES. FURTHER, WE FOUND THAT THE FORMS WERE NOT ALWAYS COMPLETED CONSISTENTLY AND STAFF STATED THAT THEY DO NOT ALWAYS DOCUMENT DOCUMENT REMEDIATION ACTIONS. HINDERING TREND ANALYSIS ABILITIES.

FINALLY, THE DIVISION HAS ESTABLISHED A SYSTEMATIC PROCESS FOR PERFORMING AND DOCUMENTING ROOT CAUSE ANALYZES. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT ALWAYS CLEAR WHEN A ROOT CAUSE ANALYSIS SHOULD BE PERFORMED BECAUSE NO GUIDANCE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED. FOR THESE REASONS, WE RECOMMEND THAT DME EXPLORE OPTIONS TO IMPLEMENT A LEARNING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. CREATE GOALS AND INSTRUCTIONS FOR COMPLETING WORKSITE INSPECTIONS, AND CLARIFY WHEN A ROOT CAUSE ANALYSIS IS WARRANTED THROUGH WRITTEN GUIDANCE. DME BELIEVES THAT THEIR NEW ASSET MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE CAN BE USED AS LEARNING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND IN ADDITION, RECOMMENDED WRITTEN GUIDANCE AND INSTRUCTIONS. WAS DEVELOPED AS OF MAY 2024, IN RESPONSE TO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. SO IN SUMMARY, WE ISSUED 25 RECOMMENDATIONS, ALL OF WHICH DME AGREED WITH. AND WE PLAN TO FOLLOW UP ON ALL OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IN EARLY FISCAL YEAR 2027. SO OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. OH, COUNCIL MEMBER FROM DISTRICT SIX. THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON CHESTER. HOW LONG DID THIS ASSESSMENT TAKE FROM BEGINNING TO FINISH? AND HOW MANY PEOPLE IN YOUR OFFICE PARTICIPATED, WE BEGAN IN JANUARY. AND WE HAD PRIMARILY ONE PERSON WORKING ON IT WITH

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CORRECT. THIS INTERPRETATION. IF I'M WRONG, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE SORT OF HALFWAY BETWEEN INTEGRATED AND SEPARATED. AND THAT WAS THE SOURCE OF POTENTIAL ISSUES, IS IT THE BETTER PRACTICE? AND I GOT CONFUSED WHETHER AND IT SEEMED LIKE YOU ALL WERE SUGGESTING MORE SEPARATION RATHER THAN MORE INTEGRATION. BUT I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. AND WHAT IS THE SORT OF EXPECTED ACTION IN TERMS OF RISK AND COST? MANAGER FROM EITHER FULLY SEPARATING OR FULLY INTEGRATING? IF WE HAVE AN IDEA, SO WE DID SOME BEST PRACTICES RESEARCH, A LOT OF SIMILAR MUNICIPAL UTILITIES ARE MOSTLY SEPARATED. THEY STILL HAVE UTILIZE THE CENTRAL WAREHOUSE, TO SOME DEGREE, WHICH WE BELIEVE WOULD STILL BE NECESSARY, IT'S JUST REALLY THOSE KIND OF SPECIALIZED DME, ELECTRIC UTILITY ASSETS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING MANAGED AT SEPARATE WAREHOUSE LOCATIONS. ANYWAYS, THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING BE KIND OF SEPARATED OUT INTO BASICALLY A CONTROL, A SEPARATE CONTROL STRUCTURE, SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE BETTER VISIBILITY AND BE APPROVED BY SOMEONE WHO'S MORE. NOT THAT THE WAREHOUSE SUPERVISOR UNDER PROCUREMENT IS NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE, BUT HE'S JUST NOT THERE EVERY DAY, AND SO HAVING APPROVALS BY SOMEBODY WHO HAS MORE VISIBILITY INTO THE SPACES THAT THEY'RE MANAGING IS WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I THINK THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION, I WOULD BE, WELL, NO, NO, WE'RE GOOD. I'LL JUST STOP THERE, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FOUR. THANK YOU. 63 MILES. THAT'S FROM HERE TO GREENVILLE. THAT'S A LONG, LONG WAY. I'M WONDERING THOSE INSPECTIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DONE SINCE 2022, IN OUR RECENT STORM, DID THAT CAUSE A PROBLEM? AND IN A PERFECT WORLD, HOW FREQUENTLY WOULD THOSE INSPECTIONS BE MADE, FOR THOSE INSPECTIONS. SO OUR OUR LOCAL LAW, THE VEGETATION MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, APPROVED VIA ORDINANCE REQUIRES THEM QUARTERLY. I BELIEVE FEDERAL LAW ONLY REQUIRES THEM ANNUALLY, SO I THINK DME MIGHT COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION ON THAT IN THE FUTURE, YOU SAID QUARTERLY OUR LOCAL LAW REQUIRES QUARTERLY, FEDERAL LAW REQUIRES ANNUALLY. AND THEN, AND THEN I THINK, I BELIEVE THEY'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON TRANSMISSION LINES, WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MOSTLY CONNECTED, MANAGED BY ERCOT, AND SO, I DON'T BELIEVE MANY OF THOSE LINES WENT DOWN IN THE STORM. I'D HAVE TO LET ME SPEAK TO THE IMPACT OF THAT A LITTLE MORE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE. AND, ARE THOSE ARE THOSE INSPECTIONS STANDING ON THE GROUND INSPECTIONS OR OR DOES THAT REQUIRE SOMEBODY TO CRAWL UP A POLE? AND I DO NOT KNOW. I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO DME. OKAY I GOT ONE MORE. OKAY. WELL, I THOUGHT HE WAS I KNEW SHE WAS

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YES, SIR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND I HEARD MENTION, HIGH, HIGH, ASSET PRODUCTS LIKE COPPER WIRE.

IS THERE ANY IDENTIFIABLE. I'M TRYING TO USE THE CORRECT WORD HERE. ANY. IS THERE A SERIAL NUMBER OR OR A OR A PART NUMBER OR SOMETHING STAMPED ON WIRE. SO IF A, IF A RECYCLING COMPANY GETS THIS STOLEN WIRE THAT IT CAN, THAT IT COULD BE TRACED BACK TO ITS PROPER OWNER. YEAH.

WHEN I GET INTO A LOT OF SPECIFICS, THE ANSWER, THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES. YES. THANK YOU.

THANK OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL MEMBER FROM DISTRICT ONE. GOOD AFTERNOON. HELLO, I HEARD YOU MENTION THE TERM YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TIMELINE ON DEVELOPING A PLAN OR DEVELOPING A PLAN. AND ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WERE NOTED. LET ME GO BACK, THEN I ALSO NOTED, NOTICED THAT THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT THEY HAD ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON AND THAT WAS SUCCESSFUL, AS PART OF THIS PLAN, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO. YES, ALL OF THAT, THE MANAGEMENT RESPONSE THAT WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO, IN 2027, ALL OF THIS BEING DONE BY 2027. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING, IS THAT CONSIDERED THE PLAN AS IN A PLAN OR ALL OF THESE THINGS SHOULD BE LOOKED AT SEPARATELY AS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PLANS AND DIFFERENT STAGES. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, IS THERE ANY INCLINATION TO BRING US BACK, YOU KNOW, AN UPDATE MIDWAY THROUGH TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP THE ACCOUNTABILITY GOING? YEAH. SO SO EACH WITH OUR DEPARTMENT, WE LOOK AT ONE, WE LOOK AT THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE, BUT EACH RECOMMENDATION SEPARATELY, WE REQUEST A RESPONSE FROM THE DEPARTMENT FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL RECOMMENDATION SEPARATELY. AND PART OF THAT RESPONSE INCLUDES, DO WE AGREE THAT WHAT YOU SAID MAKES SENSE? BASICALLY, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IF WE AGREE, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE IT DONE BY AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT? SO EACH IN THE AUDIT AT THE BACK IN A TABLE, EACH ONE OF THESE ITEMS HAS THAT INFORMATION, WE, AND SO THE TIMELINE FOR EACH ITEM IS DIFFERENT, WE LOOKED AT FISCAL YEAR 2027 BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER AUDITS THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT WE RELEASED YEARS, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS AFTER ALL OF THEM WOULD BE COMPLETE IF COUNCIL CAN CERTAINLY GIVE DIRECTION FOR US TO COME BACK NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER, AND SAY, HERE'S, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH SOME OF THESE ITEMS ARE THE ONES THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY NOW BASED ON THE PLAN, WE'VE DONE THAT WITH LIKE, THE POLICE PROPERTY ROOM AUDIT IN THE PAST, WE SPLIT THAT UP INTO TWO PHASES. BASICALLY I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THAT, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD SAY THIS IS A PLAN AS MUCH AS IT'S, IT'S A IT'S A TOOL FOR ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AND AGREED TO, BASICALLY BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE. IT TAKES US TO ITEM B, I D24903

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the City of Denton Draft Climate Action Plan. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 1 hour]]

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THE BEAR, THE DIFFICULT THING TO WORK THROUGH IS BUILDINGS. THAT'S 35. AND THEN WE HAVE OTHER EMISSIONS ACCOUNTING FOR ROUGHLY 12. THAT CAN BE FUGITIVE EMISSIONS FROM DIFFERENT THINGS.

IT ALSO INCLUDES OUR LANDFILL. TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE MORE DETAIL AND TIMELINE. AGAIN, AS I JUST MENTIONED, THIS STARTED BACK ON APRIL 19TH OF 2022. IT'S GONE THROUGH VARIOUS THINGS TO GET HERE. MOST RECENTLY, WE DID PRESENT THIS TO THE SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON JUNE SEVENTH, AND FOR ZERO SAID TO BRING IT FORWARD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. SO TO SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED BACK IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE GRABBED, HIGH LEVEL OF WHAT THE FEEDBACK WAS DURING THAT. TO HELP SUMMARIZE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GO THROUGH AND WHY THIS UPDATE WAS NECESSARY, AND AS I MOVE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, HOPEFULLY I'LL ADDRESS ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS.

ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP LAST TIME AS A REMINDER IS WHAT DOES THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN ACTUALLY COVER? IT ACTUALLY COVERS THE ENTIRE CITY OF DENTON AS A COMMUNITY. SO EVERYTHING THAT'S GREEN ON THE GRAPHIC TO THE RIGHT, EVERYTHING IN GREEN IS COVERED WITHIN THIS PLAN.

WHAT DOES THE CITY DIRECTLY CONTROL? THOSE ARE LISTED DOWN BELOW. WE HAVE THINGS LIKE OUR FLEET, OUR FACILITIES, THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE BUILD. WE ALSO HAVE CONTROL OVER OUR ORDINANCES , OUR CODES, OUR ZONING, OUR RATES, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN DRIVE HOW THE COMMUNITY BUILDS AND GROWS. LITTLE REGULATORY CONTEXT THAT WASN'T COVERED LAST TIME IN TEXAS. WE AS A MUNICIPALITY CANNOT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY SAY WHAT TYPE OF UTILITY WILL SERVE A BUILDING.

WE CAN'T SAY GAS ONLY OR ELECTRIC ONLY. WE CANNOT DO THAT. IT'S OPEN MARKET, AS A REMINDER, THIS IN TEXAS, THE STATE ENERGY CONSERVATION OFFICE, OR SECO, SETS THE BASE ENERGY CODE ACROSS ALL OF TEXAS. LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAN GO ABOVE THAT. SO WE'VE ACTUALLY CURRENTLY IN DENTON, WE'VE ADOPTED THE 2021 CODE, WHEREAS STATEWIDE THEY'RE STILL AT THE 2015 CODE. WE'RE ALSO REVIEWING THE 2024 CURRENTLY TO SEE HOW THAT WILL APPLY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, HUD RECENTLY MOVED FROM THE 2009 STANDARD NATIONWIDE TO GO UP TO THE 2021.

THEY ARE PROJECTING THAT OR PROPOSED ARE ESTIMATING THAT WE GET A 40% EFFICIENCY GAIN BY CHANGING FROM THE 2009 CODE TO THE 2021 CODE. WHAT THAT MEANS, ROUGHLY, IS THIS CODE IS UPDATED ON A THREE YEAR CYCLE. ROUGHLY EACH CYCLE, WE'RE GAINING ABOUT AN 8% EFFICIENCY OFF OF THAT.

THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING OR PROJECTING THAT INDIVIDUAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES COULD REALIZE UP TO $1,000 PER YEAR IN UTILITY SAVINGS BY GOING FROM 2009 TO 2021, AND THEN MULTIFAMILY OR SHARED SPACE COULD SAVE PER HOUSEHOLD ROUGHLY $400 PER YEAR. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE HERE IS THE CITY OF DENTON HAS ADOPTED A LOT OF PLANS. WE HEAR ABOUT PLANS ALL THE TIME. THIS IS FIVE EXAMPLES HERE. GOING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, WE HAVE THE SIMPLY SUSTAINABLE FRAMEWORK, THE MOBILITY PLAN, THE PARKS AND TRAILS MASTER PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS WELL AS THE COMPREHENSIVE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT STRATEGY. THIS IS JUST FIVE OF THE PLANS THAT WITHIN YOUR BACKUP AND THE PLAN, WE SHOW HOW THEY ALIGN WITH THIS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. SO JUMP INTO THE PLAN. THIS PLAN NOW HAS THREE PRIMARY GOALS WITH 16 ACTIONS BEHIND IT. THE FIRST GOAL FOCUSES ON HOW WE MOVE AROUND THE CITY OF DENTON, HOW WE GET GOODS AND SERVICES, HOW WE GET TO AND FROM WORK TO AND FROM CHURCH. HOW DO WE MOVE AROUND? THERE'S FIVE DISTINCT ACTIONS. THE FIRST ONE FOCUSES ON THE OVERALL FLEET, WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DRIVING IN, AND THEN WE LOOK INTO THINGS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE PEOPLE'S BEHAVIORS. SO IN OTHER WORDS, HOW DO WE CHANGE? HOW DO WE IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ALLOW BIKING OR CYCLING AND WALKING? HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY DO THAT JUST BECAUSE WE BUILD IT? WILL THEY COME? HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE OUT OF CARS AND DOING THOSE KIND OF THINGS TO BE A LITTLE MORE ACTIVE? THE LAST ONE IS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE READY IN CASE HYDROGEN FUEL IS THE SUPPORTING THING FOR HEAVY DUTY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT MISSING THAT BOAT, AND WE'RE PREPARING FOR THAT AND LOOKING OUT FOR IT. THE FAR RIGHT HAND COLUMN IS JUST A REMINDER. IT SAYS RESIDENT ACTION, BUT THE INTENT OF THE YES AND NO THERE IS. IF IT SAYS YES, THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT INDIVIDUALS WILL BE ASKED EITHER TO INVEST DOLLARS TOWARDS AT

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THERE'S INCENTIVES. WE LOCALLY DO AN EV INCENTIVE THROUGH OUR GREEN SENSE PROGRAM. THERE'S FEDERAL TAX CREDITS FOR INDIVIDUALS AND BUSINESSES. THERE'S ALSO A STATE GRANT PROGRAM. WHAT'S THE MARKET LIKE. HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE AVAILABLE AS OF MARCH OF 2023, THERE WERE 30 EVS AVAILABLE ON THE MARKET. THEY'RE PROJECTED TO HAVE OVER 100 MODELS AVAILABLE BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR. ALSO, GENERAL MOTORS WAS ONE OF THE FIRST TO STEP OUT. THEY'RE SAYING THEY WANT TO END PRODUCTION OF LIGHT DUTY GASOLINE POWERED ENGINES BY 2035, SO THEY ONLY WANT TO HAVE EV FLEET BY 2035. SO HOW COULD WE MEASURE OUR PROGRESS ON THIS? THE TOP TWO HERE SPEAK TO OVERALL WITHIN THE CITY OF DENTON. SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO TRACK HOW MANY EV REGISTRATIONS WE HAVE, HOW MANY NON EVS DO WE HAVE. HOW ARE WE PROGRESSING.

ARE WE MAKING A CHANGE. IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH JUST TO TRACK THE GROWTH IN ONE. WE NEED TO LOOK AT BOTH THE NEXT THREE. LOOK AT THE CITY OF DENTON. WE WANT TO HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR FLEET, OUR LIGHT DUTY, OUR HEAVY DUTY, OUR NON ROAD. HOW IS THAT COMING AROUND? AND THE LAST PART IS IF WE MAKE FUEL CHANGES, IS THERE ACCESS TO CHARGING STATIONS. IS THERE ACCESS TO HYDROGEN. IF THAT'S THE THING, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THERE'S AVAILABILITY. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S TRACKED AND REPORTED THE BUBBLES ON THE RIGHT TO SHOW SOME OF THE THINGS WE AS A CITY HAVE DONE SOMEWHAT RECENTLY AND ARE CONTINUING TO WORK ON. SO WE DO HAVE CHARGING FACILITIES AT CITY FACILITIES FOR EVS. WE HAVE PILOTED AN EV TRASH TRUCK, AND WE'RE LOOKING TO ACQUIRE OUR FIRST EV FIRE ENGINE AS WELL. THE NEXT ONE THAT GETS A LOT MORE COMPLICATED IS THE WALKABLE COMMUNITIES. THIS ONE GETS TO BE TOUGH BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF EVERYTHING.

IT'S HOW DO WE LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE? THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS UNDER THE COMP PLAN THAT SPEAK TO WALKABILITY, INFILL, TRYING TO MAKE USE OF THE SPACES WHERE WE HAVE EXISTING UTILITIES, EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, HOW DO WE MAXIMIZE THAT AREA? THERE'S SPOKE SPEAKING TO DENSITY, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, JUST SOME QUOTES OUT OF THE ACTUAL COMP PLAN WITH THE PAGE NUMBER REFERENCES UNDERNEATH THEM. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE WALKABLE COMMUNITIES, HOW WOULD WE MEASURE THAT? ONE WAY MIGHT BE TO LOOK AT HOW MANY INFILL HOUSING PERMITS ARE WE ISSUING. HOW ARE WE MAKING USE OF THOSE SPACES? ONE WOULD BE POSSIBLY HOW WE AS AN ENTITY ARE ADDRESSING WALKABILITY CONDITIONS. WHEN WE AUTHORIZE DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S NOT BY RIGHT . SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

HOW DO WE ADDRESS AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE LOOKING AT WALKABILITY

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YOU HAVE THE PROPOSED MEASURES. I THINK THERE'S 61 OF THEM ACROSS ALL 16 ACTIONS TOTAL, THREE PRIMARY FOCUS AREAS. SO WE'LL BE DOING IS TAKING YOUR COMMENTS TO HOPEFULLY BRING FORWARD A PLAN. Y'ALL CAN ADOPT AT A FUTURE DATE. THEN WE'LL GET INTO IMPLEMENTATION. AND OF COURSE WE WOULD REPORT OUT OUR PROJECTION ON REPORTING BACK ON THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WOULD BE DUE AROUND THIS TIME OF YEAR. EVERY YEAR, JUNE OF EACH CYCLE, WHICH WOULD BE AN ADVANCE OF Y'ALL'S COUNCIL RETREAT, ALSO IN ADVANCE OF YOUR BUDGET DISCUSSION. SO YOU WOULD BE ARMED WITH THE INFORMATION YOU NEED. AND WITH THAT I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE IN DISTRICT FOUR AND THEN TWO AND THEN THREE.

THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. SPEAKING ABOUT THE ELECTRIC TRASH TRUCK AND THE ELECTRIC FIRE TRUCK, DID WE NOT? THE CITY. I MEAN, DID WE NOT HAVE AN ELECTRIC UTILITY TRUCK, A BUCKET TRUCK DID HE LEFT ON ME IN THE NOT TOO WELL, OBVIOUSLY NOT TOO LONG AGO. IT WAS GREEN. WE HAD A WE HAD A HYBRID. SO IT WAS A MIX. SO IT USED A ELECTRIC POWER TO AUGMENT THE GASOLINE OR DIESEL. DIESEL FIRE ENGINE. IT WASN'T FULLY ELECTRIC. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT IN A LONG TIME. WHAT HAPPENED TO IT? I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU. I DON'T KNOW ON THAT ONE. I'M JUST. I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT WAS IF THAT EXPERIMENT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL AND WOULD WE EXPECT MORE SUCCESS FROM AN ELECTRIC TRASH TRUCK AND AN ELECTRIC FIRE TRUCK? THE ELECTRIC FIRE TRUCK? WE DO DO EXPECT SUCCESS. THERE'S A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS USING IT. IT HAS HAD GREAT SUCCESS, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE THERE. WE DID PILOT THE EV TRASH TRUCK. IT DID NOT PERFORM AS WE WOULD LIKE, BUT WE DIDN'T SIT BACK AND READ REPORTS. WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND TESTED IT. SO WE FOUND OUT IT DIDN'T WORK.

WE'VE GIVEN FEEDBACK TO THAT MANUFACTURER, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN IMPROVE ON THAT AND GET SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE. I WOULD I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GREEN BUCKET TRUCK, PLEASE. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE ABOUT BOTH THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION AND THIS ONE IS WE'VE ADDRESSED, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST ONE, WE REALLY NAILED DOWN INTO THE, THE COST DIFFERENTIAL OF, MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO VERSUS MAKING THESE CHANGES. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. AND I REALLY LIKE IN THIS ONE THAT YOU TOOK THE TIME TO ALMOST SURGICALLY INTEGRATE WITH ALL THE REST OF OUR KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS AND THE REST OF OUR VARIOUS PLANS. SO, SO WELL DONE ON ON THAT REGARD, SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAD IS, YOU KNOW, ON THE, THE RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS COMING OUT OF THE LANDFILL, I KNOW, OR I THINK READING THE BACKUP THAT THE IDEA IS TO, RESELL THAT TO, TO A VENDOR, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, OTHER REPORTS, IS THERE WHERE WHERE ARE WE ON THE STATUS OF, METHANE FUEL CELLS AND WHETHER THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO BE LOOKING AT. I KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE DETAILED FOR THIS LEVEL OF QUESTION, BUT THE REASON I ASK IS, IT KIND OF TAKES US DOWN A COLLECT AND RESELL PATH VERSUS A PROCESS PATH. AND THERE THEY'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. SO I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO AT LEAST ADDRESS IT THIS DIRECTION, WE AND THE REASON I ASK THAT IS METHANE IS A WORSE, GREENHOUSE GAS THAN, THAN SOME OF THE BYPRODUCTS RIGHT NOW, AS YOU HEARD IN OCTOBER AS WELL. BUT THE RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS IS NOT VIEWED THAT SAME WAY. SO SINCE WE HAVE THE GAS COMING OFF THE LANDFILL TO PUT IT INTO APPROPRIATE REUSE, IT ACTUALLY OFFSETS THAT IMPACT OF USING LPG OR CNG. I CAN'T SPEAK DIRECTLY TO WHAT ALL IS BEING. I KNOW SOLID WASTE RECYCLING ARE REVIEWING A CONTRACT TO GET IN PLACE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE ACTUALLY MARKET THAT GAS, OR HOW WE WANT TO USE THAT. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE COMING BACK FORWARD TO THIS BODY IN THE NEAR TERM. SO I CAN'T SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THAT. THEY'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE DETAILS OF HOW OUR SITE LOOKS, WHAT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE THERE? NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I IT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT I HOPE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT FROM FROM YOU ALL IN THE FUTURE, A COUPLE WATER TRANSPORTATION AND BUILDINGS. I GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS EACH OF THOSE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FORMER COUNCILOR WATTS BROUGHT UP AND I THINK IT'S SALIENT, IS AND IT GOES TO A LARGER POINT, I'LL MAKE IT AT THE END OF MY QUESTIONS. AND

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WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE SIMPLY TRACKING THE DATA. THAT WAS PART OF THE SSG DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION ADAPTATION PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED BACK IN OCTOBER, HAD SOME RIGID OR FIRM DATES WHEN THEY WANTED CERTAIN THINGS TO HAPPEN, TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE REDUCTION GOALS. WE'LL STILL BE LOOKING AGAINST THOSE TO SEE HOW THAT METRICS GOING. ALSO, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE REVIEWING THE 2024 CODE CURRENTLY TO SEE IF WE WANT TO BRING THAT FORWARD FOR Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION. THAT CODE DID NOT DIRECTLY HAVE HEAT PUMP THAT WAS THE LAST KIND OF LAST MINUTE STRIKE TO MAKE IT BE A MANDATORY. BUT THAT COULD COME OUT IN 2027. I DON'T WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THAT. SO WE'LL BE MONITORING THE CODE TO SEE WHAT EFFECTIVENESS WE GET OUT OF THE OVERALL GENERAL CODE TO SEE THEN WHEN WE NEED TO EITHER ADOPT RECOMMENDED PIECES OF CODE TO MAYBE MAKE THEM BE MANDATED, BUT WE'LL BE BRINGING THAT FORWARD WITHIN OUR ANNUAL UPDATE TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL ARE, AS A BODY, ARE AWARE OF ANY TIMES THAT WE MAY BE DIPPING OR TRANSFERRING OR DIVERTING FROM THAT PATH. NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I WILL JUST END WITH, WE JUST AS THE CITY IS, IS MORE PROACTIVE THAN THE REGION AND THE STATE IN THAT WE'RE ADOPTING MORE MODERN CODES AND DOING THINGS IN ANTICIPATION, OF THESE CHANGES AND NOT DRAGGING OUR HEELS AS MUCH. I ENCOURAGE US TO AS, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, MOVE TO AN ACTION BIASED PHASE SO THAT WE CAN GET WE CAN REAP THE BENEFITS OF NOT THE ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT WILL COME IN THE FUTURE THAT YOU SO APTLY PUT IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION. I DON'T WANT TO EXPERIENCE ANY MORE OF THOSE THAN THAN NECESSARY. SO I'M REALLY EXCITED, I LOVE ALL THE TRACKING. I LOVE ALL THE INTEGRATION. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GIVING DIRECTION. YES, ON THIS. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT THREE. YEAH, THANK YOU, ECHO A LOT OF WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD ON 14 ONE SLIDE BACK, YOU TALK ABOUT WALKABILITY CONDITIONS AND, THAT ULTIMATELY GOES TO LAND USE, WHICH IS SO SQUARELY IN THE WHEELHOUSE OF WHAT COUNCIL CAN AFFECT. YOU TALKED EXPLICITLY ABOUT WHERE, PROJECTS ARE NOT BY. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE OVERLAYS THAT WE WOULD APPLY IN CONSIDERATION, AND I WILL GET TO A QUESTION, IT IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE IF WE ACCOMPLISH THAT, WHETHER PEOPLE ACTUALLY WALK OR NOT, THEIR DRIVES ARE SHORTER, WHETHER THEY ACTUALLY DRIVE AN EV OR NOT, THEY COULD BE IN A IN A HYBRID, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOU'RE STILL REDUCING IMPACTS. SO I SEE THE FRUITFULNESS OF THIS DIRECTION, AND ANOTHER LITTLE BIT OF PREFACE, I ALSO SEE THE

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YEAH. YES. INCENTIVES AND I NOTICED, I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY THERE WERE. THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL NOTED ON THERE, DO YOU ALL WORK WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE? HOW DO YOU ALL. THE QUESTION IS, IS HOW DO YOU ALL GET THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, ABOUT INCENTIVES OR IS THIS AN INCENTIVE FOR BUSINESSES? HOW DOES THAT WORK? IT'S KIND OF ALL THE ABOVE, BUT THERE ISN'T ONE SET PROCESS TO DO THAT. I CAN SAY WITH OUR NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, WE'RE WORKING ON WAYS TO BETTER CONNECT ON THAT. OKAY SO I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS TODAY JUST AT LUNCH OVER THAT HOW TO BETTER CONNECT THOSE PUZZLE PIECES. AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF ALL THIS OUTREACH AND AWARENESS IS KEY. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAYS TO COMMUNICATE.

NOTHING'S OFF THE TABLE. WE CAN'T JUST USE ONE METHOD TO REACH ANY GIVEN DAY, DEMOGRAPHIC OR ANY BODY. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO REACH EVERYBODY TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT AND THE INCENTIVES, EACH ACTION WE SHOWED WHAT'S OUT THERE, WHETHER IT BE FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL, THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE MARKET FOR INCENTIVES. THOSE MAY CHANGE OVER TIME. SO THAT PART OF THE PLAN WILL CONTINUE TO ENHANCE AND GROW AS THOSE PROGRAMS GROW AND CHANGE. SO WE'LL ALWAYS TRY TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S AWARE OF IT AND LEAD THEM TO IT. I CAN'T GIVE TAX ADVICE, BUT I WILL MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE THERE IS A FEDERAL TAX CREDIT. RIGHT, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO WE'LL BE REACHING OUT TO EVERYTHING. WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET OUT TO OUR BUSINESSES, AND OUR MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES AS WELL, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF EVERYTHING OUT THERE TO HELP THEM MOVE THAT. NOW, IS THAT A SEPARATE, RESPONSIBILITY FOR, LET'S SAY, THE HIRING OF, ENGAGEMENT OFFICER OR SOMEONE ALONG THOSE LINES? WE MIGHT, MIGHT, WOULD WANT TO ADD SOMEONE TO THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LOT OF WORK. THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S A BIG TASK FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, START ALL STAY ON TASK. CORRECT AND I WON'T GET AHEAD OF MYSELF. BUT AS AS YOU LOOK THROUGH THE BACKUP AND YOU SEE THAT WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE PLANS THAT OVERLAP WITH THE SAME ACTIONS. OKAY. SO WE HAVE COMMITMENTS ACROSS SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS WORKING ON THINGS. SO WE NEED TO SPEND SOME TIME TO COLLECTIVELY DETERMINE WHERE WE HAVE GAPS TO THEN BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT IS A HEAVY LIFT. WE DO HAVE SOME DEDICATED STAFF WITHIN SUSTAINABILITY TO HELP THAT, BUT THAT STAFF IS NOT NEARLY ENOUGH TO REACH ALL OF DEBT ON A REGULAR, RECURRING BASIS. OKAY, WELL, I MIGHT HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, AND THEN YOU SAID SOMETHING, IN REGARDS TO DEVELOPER HOURS, AND I DON'T KNOW, FOR SOME REASON, I WAS THINKING ABOUT LANDOWNERS AS LANDOWNERS AND DEVELOPERS. HOW DOES THAT HOW DOES HOW DO THESE PEOPLE CONNECT TO EACH OTHER TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT IT IS THAT IT COULD DO? HOW DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT WORK? IT'S A LITTLE

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[C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding an update on ad valorem rates and General Fund financials. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL JESSICA WILLIAMS, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER AND I AM HERE FOR THE FIRST OF A SERIES OF PRESENTATIONS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS TALKING ABOUT THE 2425 BUDGET. I LOVE IT. I LOVE WHEN PEOPLE GET AS EXCITED ABOUT

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WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE WE ENDED LAST YEAR. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PRIORITIES FOR THIS COMING YEAR. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT OUR TWO BIGGEST REVENUE DRIVERS, WHICH IS PROPERTY TAX AND SALES TAX. AND THEN WE'RE JUST GOING TO BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THE CALENDAR SO THAT YOU WILL KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT AS WE MOVE ON THROUGH THE SUMMER, SO BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR INTO THIS, OUR FOCUS AND PRIORITIES FOR THIS YEAR HAVE REALLY BEEN ON CORE SERVICES AS WE LOOK AT 2425. SO WE'VE PUT QUITE A BIT OF EMPHASIS ON POLICE AND FIRE AND ON ANIMAL SERVICES. AS A RESULT OF THE AUDIT, WE ARE FOCUSED ON BEING AN EMPLOYER OF CHOICE AND MAINTAINING THAT. SO WE ARE FOCUSING ON EMPLOYEE PAY AND HEALTH CARE. WE ARE ALSO WATCHING CLOSELY AS WE SEE ECONOMIC CONSTRUCTION CONTINUE WITHIN OUR ECONOMY, BOTH LOCALLY AND NATIONWIDE. WE ARE SEEING INCREASED IMPACT FROM INFLATION. REMEMBER IT COMPOUNDS. SO AS WE STARTED THESE CONVERSATIONS BACK IN 2020 AND NOW WE SIT IN 2024 EACH MONTH AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH , THOSE PRICES HAVE CONTINUED TO INCREASE. AND THEY HAVE HIT THE CITY AS WELL. WE DO PAY THE SAME PRICE AS ANY OTHER CONSUMER ON THE MARKET FOR THINGS LIKE ASPHALT, WATER PIPES, ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT MAKE THE CITY WHAT IT IS TODAY. SO AS I GO THROUGH, FEEL FREE TO STOP AND ASK ME QUESTIONS AT ANY POINT IN TIME. BUT AS WE LOOK BACK TO LAST YEAR. SO PROPERTY TAX, THAT'S OUR NUMBER ONE REVENUE IN THE GENERAL FUND. WE COLLECTED ABOUT $57.4 MILLION. THAT WAS 8.8 MILLION OVER THE PRIOR YEAR'S COLLECTIONS. AND AS I GO FORWARD, ANOTHER SLIDE OR TWO, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU KIND OF HOW THAT HAS TRENDED OUT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, FOR THE CURRENT YEAR, WE PROJECTED ACTUALS AT 65.7 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND FOR PROPERTY TAXES.

MARKET VALUATION GROWTH IS ANTICIPATED TO SLOW IN THE COMING YEARS. WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, IN THE CURRENT YEAR, WE DID FUND OVER $8 MILLION IN COMPENSATION STUDY. SO THE ENDING FUND BALANCE IN THE GENERAL FUND FOR SEPTEMBER OF 2023 WAS ABOUT 44.7 MILLION. THAT DID FALL WITHIN THE CITY'S POLICY, WHICH IS TO KEEP BETWEEN 22 AND 25% OF TOTAL EXPENDITURES. SO THAT ACTUALLY LANDED US AT ABOUT 25.3. THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET IN 2223 WAS 173.6 MILLION. IN THE CURRENT YEAR, WE WENT UP TO 189. THAT WAS AN INCREASE OF 8.43. OKAY, PROPERTY TAX REVENUES. SO THIS GRAPH SHOWS YOU WHERE OUR REVENUES HAVE BEEN FROM 2019 TO THE ESTIMATED END OF YEAR FOR 2024. WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE IN PARTICULAR. AND AS WE GO THROUGH AND I GET TO SALES TAX HERE IN JUST A MINUTE, THIS WILL MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE. BUT I WANT TO CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION THIS ANOMALY THAT WE SAW IN 2022, SO WE DID HAVE SOME CHANGES TO THE TAX RATE THAT YEAR. AND WE ALSO HAD SOME CHANGES THAT WE SAW AT DCAD THAT YEAR. AND SO WE HAVE THIS NEGATIVE IN PROPERTY TAX VALUE HERE. BUT OBSERVE THAT THIS IS AT 18% IN THE NEXT YEAR. AND SO WHEN WE HAVE OF CHALLENGES TO PROPERTY VALUATIONS, IT CAN TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS IF NOT LONGER FOR US TO GET THAT INFORMATION AND GET THAT BACK FROM DCAD. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE LOOK AT THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES. RIGHT NOW, WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT WE WILL END THE YEAR AT ABOUT 14.36% OVER THE PRIOR YEARS.

ACTUALS. AS OF LAST WEEK, AV VALUES WERE ESTIMATED AT 13.53% BY THE COUNTY. HOWEVER, ABOUT HALF OF THOSE ARE UNDER PROTEST, SO TO BE DETERMINED, THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT IN TIME. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW FOR FUN STUFF. SO THIS THIS IS MY LAST ON PROPERTY TAXES. BUT I WANTED TO GO OVER REAL QUICKLY WITH YOU. WHAT MAKES UP THE PROPERTY TAX RATE. SO THERE ARE TWO COMPONENTS TO THE PROPERTY TAX RATES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. ONE IS CALLED INTEREST AND SINKING. AND THAT IS WHAT FUNDS DEBT SERVICE. THE OTHER IS YOUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS RATE.

AND TOGETHER THEY EQUAL THE CITY'S PROPERTY TAX RATE. SO THIS IS A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS YOU WHAT OUR PROPERTY TAX RATES HAVE RUN FROM 2024 OR 2004, EXCUSE ME, TO 2024, SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS THAT THE BLUE LINE IS OUR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE AND THE ORANGE IS THE INTEREST IN SINKING. SO THIS IS HOW WE CAN GRAPHICALLY REPRESENT WHAT PORTION OF THAT RATE PAYS FOR DEBT, AND WHAT PORTION OF THAT RATE PAYS FOR GENERAL OPERATIONS. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE KEPT ABOUT AT $0.20 OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, FOR INS AND WE HAVE SEEN FLUCTUATION IN OUR O&M RATE. HOWEVER, THAT HAS GONE DOWN OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. SO SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF. ADDITIONALLY, WITH OUR DEBT RATE, KEEP IN MIND THAT EVERY TIME THAT WE HAVE VOTER APPROVED

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AND WITH ALL OF THAT EXTRA CASH, WE SAW GREAT RETURNS IN SALES TAX. IT WAS FANTASTIC ACROSS THE STATE, REALLY, MOST PLACES IN THE NATION. HOWEVER, THOSE DAYS HAVE COME TO AN END AND WE ARE NOW LOOKING AT REVERTING TO THE MEAN. SO OUR MEAN IS ABOUT 6% YEAR OVER YEAR, WE FLUCTUATE ON THAT MEAN, OF COURSE, WITH A STANDARD DEVIATION. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY ANTICIPATING AT THE END OF THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING TO BE AT ABOUT 3.54% ABOVE THE PRIOR YEAR, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF WHERE WE'RE TRACKING RIGHT NOW. THIS MONTH WE WERE AT ABOUT 4.6 MILLION, WHICH WAS ABOUT 4.3% OVER WHERE WE WERE IN THE PRIOR YEAR AND 3.94% OVER THE LAST 12 MONTHS. YEAR TO DATE, WE'VE COLLECTED 32.6 MILLION. AND AS A REMINDER, SALES TAX DOES LAG AS IT TAKES A COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE WE RECOGNIZE RECEIPT. SO SUMMARY AND NEXT STEPS I SAID I'D MAKE THIS QUICK. THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE QUICKEST ONE OF THE SEASON, BUT GENERAL FUND WE'RE CURRENTLY FORECASTED TO BREAK EVEN FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024. THAT'S FANTASTIC. THAT MEANS REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES WILL NET TO ZERO AT THE END OF THE YEAR. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING AT THIS POINT IN TIME, OF COURSE, IT'S SUBJECT TO WHAT HAPPENS DURING THE SUMMER. THE AV VALUES, AS I TOUCHED ON BEFORE, WE ARE RECEIVING WEEKLY SOME ESTIMATES FROM THE DENTON COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT. HOWEVER ON JULY 23RD OF 24, WE SHOULD RECEIVE OUR CERTIFIED VALUATION INS. SALES TAX GROWTH IS SLOWING AND WE ARE REVERTING BACK TO AVERAGE LEVELS. WE ARE STILL ANTICIPATING SOME INCREASE WITH POPULATION GROWTH, AND AS WE SAW THOSE SPIKES AND INCREASE IN SALES TAX DURING THOSE YEARS WHEN INFLATION ALSO WENT UP DURING THOSE THOSE TIMES OF FEDERAL FUNDING, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THAT'S ALSO KIND OF REVERTING BACK TO THE MEAN AS AS FOLKS ARE MAKING DIFFERENT DECISIONS. MAYBE YOU BOUGHT THE TILLAMOOK CHEESE LAST WEEK AND THIS WEEK IT'S $0.56 MORE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO BUY KRAFT, SO PROPERTY TAXES, THE ANTICIPATED INS DEBT RATE WILL INCREASE DUE TO THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM THAT WAS PASSED BY THE VOTERS THIS PAST NOVEMBER, AND RATES ARE SUBJECT TO THE CERTIFIED VALUATION. WE WILL CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON COMPENSATION AND PUBLIC SAFETY. AND SO THIS IS JUST A LOOK AT THE CALENDARS TO WHERE WE ARE AT AND WHERE WE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD. SO IN JULY, I WILL BE BACK TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. WILL RECEIVE THOSE CERTIFIED VALUATIONS ON THE 23RD OF JULY. WE'LL HAVE A PROPOSED BUDGET SUBMITTED TO YOU ALL ON THE 31ST OF JULY. ON AUGUST THE 10TH, WHICH IS A SATURDAY, WE WILL ALL JOIN HERE TO SPEND OUR MORNING AND AFTERNOON TOGETHER GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. I ALSO SAY Y'ALL ARE EXCITED RIGHT. AUGUST 20TH WE WILL HAVE, WE WILL HOLD OUR COUNCIL MEETING. WE WILL HAVE THE BUDGET AND INTENTION TO SET A TAX RATE. SO YOU WILL VOTE FOR AN INTENT TO SET A TAX RATE AT THAT POINT IN TIME, HOWEVER, YOU WILL NOT BE VOTING ON THAT RATE IN PARTICULAR, JUST INDICATING YOUR INTENTION TO SET A RATE. ON SEPTEMBER 10TH. WE WILL ADOPT THE CURRENT YEAR AMENDMENTS AND WILL HOLD THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX RATE. AND THEN ON THE 17TH OF SEPTEMBER, WE WILL ADOPT A BUDGET, WE WILL ADOPT A TAX RATE, AND WE WILL ADOPT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. QUESTIONS? GREAT. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. JUST A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX AND THEN DISTRICT THREE, COUNCILPERSON JESTER, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I'M JUST, THAT WAS AN AMAZING BIRD'S EYE VIEW INTRODUCTION WHERE WE ARE, WHAT THE GOALS HAVE BEEN. A LITTLE HISTORY AS FAR AS A LITTLE FORECASTING, SOME CONTEXT TO SOME OF THE NUMBERS. AND I ACTUALLY APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE WE'RE BREAKING THIS UP INTO DIFFERENT PIECES. BUT THIS WAS REALLY GREAT. AND I READ ALL OF THIS AHEAD OF TIME. BUT STILL HAVING YOU PRESENT IT HELPS ME AND, AGAIN, GIVE CONTEXT TO SOME OF THE INFORMATION AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT THREE. YOU, I THINK YOU YOU SAID THAT THE EXPECTED INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAX REVENUE WOULD BE AROUND 14% OR 14.36, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YES, DO YOU HAVE A FEEL AT THIS POINT? I REALIZE

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[D. Receive a report, hold discussion, and give staff direction regarding proposed amendments to the Denton Code of Ordinance requiring working air conditioning in rentals and prohibiting community associations from disallowing window air conditioners. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK THIS EVENING FOR AN ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF THESE OKAY. SO THE FIRST WE'LL LOOK AT IS IN SECTION 17 166. THIS IS IN OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. AND THIS WAS AN EXISTING PROVISION. WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT AMENDING WHICH WOULD SAY THE OWNER SHALL PROVIDE REFRIGERATED AIR CONDITIONING IN THE RENTAL UNIT. AND THEN WHEN IT'S PROVIDED AND THEN IT GOES CONSISTENTLY WITH THE LANGUAGE. IT WAS THERE BEFORE. AND THEN WE JUST CLEANED UP SOME LANGUAGE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT, SHORTER. JUST OWNER SHELL REPAIR SAID EQUIPMENT WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME. SO IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT, MAYOR, I'LL STOP HERE AND JUST HAVE DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO CHAPTER 14. SURE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? OH, REPRESENTATIVE. DAY SIX. I WAS NOT I HAVE NOT SEEN THE INITIAL PITCH. I'M JUST REMEMBERING MY TIME IN CHICAGO WHERE I JUST TOOK MY AIR CONDITIONER WITH ME WHEREVER I MOVED, I ASSUME SOME PEOPLE STILL DO THAT. CAN YOU OR SOMEONE. YES, MA'AM. IS THIS A PROBLEM? LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION OR A SOLUTION? LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM, I GUESS. IS WHAT I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT HERE. THAT SPECIFICALLY COMPLAINTS OR.

YEAH. SO WITH THIS PARTICULAR ONE RIGHT NOW, WE'LL TAKE THIS IN ISOLATION. THE SECOND QUESTION ON WHEN TO RENT WINDOW UNITS IN A SECOND. OKAY OKAY. SO THIS IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO PROTECT RENTERS TO ENSURE THAT LANDLORDS ARE PROVIDING APPROPRIATE AC DURING, HOT TEMPERATURES AND EXTREME TEMPERATURES. SO THAT'S THIS ONE HERE JUST IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. DOES A LANDLORD HAVE TO PROVIDE AN AC FOR PROTECTION? AND THEN I'LL ANSWER THAT OTHER QUESTION IN A MINUTE. YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.

I SEE. AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES. I'M JUST NOT, LET ME TRY TO ADDRESS THAT IS NOT THE NORM IN MY RENTING EXPERIENCE. SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING REALLY NEW THAT, WE WOULD PUT ON THE LANDLORD VERSUS TENANT. SO RIGHT. SO IN THIS INSTANCE, WE DON'T RECEIVE COMPLAINTS FROM TENANTS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE AC PROVIDED, BUT WE DO HAVE A RENTAL INSPECTION PROGRAM. SO WHEN SOMEONE HAS AN AC UNIT THAT'S PROVIDED AND IT'S NOT WORKING PROPERLY AND THE LANDLORD ISN'T REPAIRING IT, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHERE WE GET COMPLAINTS. AND SO WE ADDRESS THOSE THROUGH OUR RENTAL INSPECTION PROGRAM. AND IF IT'S NOT, THEN WE WORK WITH THE LANDLORD TO GET THAT IN TO COMPLIANCE, WHICH MEANS PROVIDING THAT AC REPAIR AND A REASONABLE TIME. OKAY SO THAT'S ALREADY BEING DONE. THEN WHY? I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHY? THANK YOU. WELL, I'LL LET THE IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I'LL LET THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO MADE THE PITCH. OKAY. ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT, REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. THE AS I, AS I RECALL THE DISCUSSION, THE PITCH AND AT THE THEN THE WORK, THE SUBSEQUENT FOLLOW UP WORK SESSION, WE CAN WE CAN ALL REVIEW THE OUR NOTES AND THE VIDEOTAPE WAS THAT THAT THIS WAS A, A HEALTH CONCERN. WE'RE WE'RE BASICALLY AT SUMMER TEMPERATURES FROM, YOU KNOW, APRIL THROUGH NOVEMBER. AND YOU KNOW, HEALTH IMPACTS START AT, YOU KNOW, IN THE 80S. SO WE'RE THIS WAS THIS WAS MORE IN OUR OUR HEALTH AND REGULATORY POWERS ESPECIALLY FOR AS THE NUMBER OF DAYS OVER 100 GET MORE AND MORE AND MORE AND MORE AND MORE, THIS WAS IN THE IN THE EFFORT OF, CREATING A QUALITY OF LIFE STANDARD FOR THE CITY OF DENTON. ANYONE ELSE, REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FOUR.

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SHOULD WE REQUIRE LANDLORDS TO PROVIDE AC IN OUR ORDINANCE? THE NEXT QUESTION WILL ADDRESS IS WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN RESTRICT OR RESTRICT OR WHETHER OR NOT A HOA OR SOME OTHER COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION CAN RESTRICT WINDOW UNITS IN THE PROPERTY FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY REASONS. SO WE'LL ADDRESS THAT NEXT. GOT IT, I KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION. I WAS GOING TO ASK, BUT I WAS SO ENRAPTURED WITH WHAT YOU WERE TELLING ME, SO I'M JUST GONNA LEAVE IT THERE. SARAH SAID SHE WAS JUST GOING TO TURN OFF THE AC SO YOU GUYS CAN TURN THE AC OFF. SO REMEMBER. SO YOU GET THE FEEL OF THIS ORDINANCE. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT ANSWER, YEAH. THANK YOU.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE, THIS WILL FIVE. SORRY. DAN, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON EACH ONE OF THESE? WELL, WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK TONIGHT. IT'S ON ME. I SEE WE'RE BRINGING THIS LANGUAGE BACK TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL LATER. SO, YES, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WANT TO GIVE US DIRECTION ON, THERE'S CONSENSUS FROM, YOU KNOW, MAJORITY OF YOU, THEN SCOTT AND I WILL TAKE IT BACK AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS BEFORE I SEE TONIGHT OR IF YOU DECIDE TO PULL IT, WHATEVER THOSE DECISIONS ARE TODAY AT THE WORK SESSION. SO FOR NOW, MAYOR, DO YOU JUST WANT A YES OR NO ON ON EACH ONE OF THESE OR CHANGES? NO, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS. YEAH. THIS. YOU FINE WITH THE LANGUAGE. YEAH. THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE TONIGHT FOR YOU TO APPROVE. RIGHT. SO IF YOU HAVE LANGUAGE CHANGES, YOU WOULD NEED TO SAY THAT NOW. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS PROCESS. IF I'M A YES GOOD. JUST DON'T SAY ANYTHING AND WE'LL ASSUME IT'LL GO FORWARD. LIKE THIS. CORRECT. OKAY. I'LL BE. YES. THOSE ANYTHING IS. IF YOU ARE OKAY WITH THIS LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT, OKAY. THANKS, DAN. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. REPRESENTATIVE. FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH. I'M, YES. FOR THE LANGUAGE, THIS WOULD MOSTLY IMPACT THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE VERY LOW INCOMES, WHO DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE APPLIANCES FOR THEMSELVES IN THE INTENSE HEAT. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. YES, FOR THE LANGUAGE. OKAY TO CUT THAT OFF THE PASS, THE LANGUAGE GOES FORWARD WITHOUT CHANGE. SO EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE TO SAY YES. AND MY ONLY THOUGHT IS. FOR ME, JUST SO I HAVE A RECORD, IT'S NEUTRAL. RIGHT. IF SOMEONE INSTALLS A AC AND SOMEONE'S THAT RENTER PER SE IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST OF RUNNING A UTILITIES, THEY JUST WON'T RUN IT. RIGHT? SO IT'LL BE THERE, WON'T BE RUN.

AND THAT'S THEY'RE NOT AFFECT THAT YET. RIGHT. AND THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE. AND THEN TO THE JUDGE HARLAN'S POINT, IF THAT INCREASES RENT ON SAID PERSON, THEN THAT THAT'S AN

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APPRECIATE IT, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS LANGUAGE? YEAH. ON 17. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE THE CLARIFYING. SO AGAIN NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS CAN PROHIBIT THE USE OF WINDOW WINDOW AIR CONDITIONING. I KEEP SAYING WINDOW WINDOW AIR CONDITIONING UNITS DURING EXTREME TEMPERATURES. AND SO THIS IS IN THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES CODE THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IN ADDITION HERE, SINCE IT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. AND SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PROVISIONS THAT WE'VE CREATED THIS NEW SECTION IN THE CODE, OR BETWEEN SECTION 2 OR 3 AND 16 AND 22. SO THE PURPOSE THIS ESTABLISHES THAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS ONE IS TO ENSURE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY AND COMFORT OF RESIDENTS, PARTICULARLY RELATED TO WINDOW AIR CONDITIONING UNITS AND EXTREME TEMPERATURES, AS WE DID CREATE A NEW DEFINITION. SO THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION IN OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT HOSE VERSUS MANUFACTURED HOME COMMUNITIES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO WE DID CREATE A DEFINITION THAT WOULD HELP ENCOMPASS ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF GROUPS THAT MAY HAVE COVENANTS OR RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY WOULD PUT ON PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN THEIR AREA. AND SO IT SPECIFICALLY WOULD SAY THAT THOSE FOLKS WHO HAVE THAT, ABILITY TO COLLECT FEES OR DUES FROM MEMBERS WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS PARTICULAR DEFINITION.

THEN THE PROHIBITION IS THE SECTION THAT IS THE MEAT OF IT, AND IT IS LOOKING AT STATING THAT THEY CAN'T RESTRICT AIR CONDITIONING UNITS FOR RESIDENTS WHEN IT'S NECESSARY FOR THE PROTECTION OF HEALTH AND SAFETY. SO THIS WOULD BE IN THOSE EXTREME WEATHER TEMPERATURES, ESPECIALLY IN THE HEIGHT OF SUMMER, AND THEN MAKING SURE THEY'RE IN GOOD CONDITION. AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THIS PROVISION IS ALSO THIS ALSO EXTENDS TO ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE ACTING ON BEHALF OF THAT COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. SO PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OR OTHER GROUPS THAT MIGHT USE THREATS OR COERCION TO TRY TO GET SOMEONE TO, TO PREVENT THAT, THEY WOULD PREVENT THE USE OF THE WINDOW AIR CONDITIONING UNIT IS IN HERE AS WELL. BUT WE DID ALSO PROVIDE AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE. SO IF THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION WOULD LIKE TO RESTRICT IT AT OTHER TIMES OF THE YEAR WHERE IT'S NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO HEALTH AND SAFETY, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT UNDER THE PROVISIONS IN THIS ORDINANCE. AND IF THEY ALREADY PROVIDE CENTRAL HEAT AND AIR, THEN THEY CAN ALSO RESTRICT THE WINDOW UNIT, IF THEY HAVE OTHER, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO ABOUT THE INSTALLATION THAT ENSURES THAT IT'S BEING INSTALLED SAFELY AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T LIMIT THE USE OF THE WINDOW UNIT ITSELF, THEN THAT IS ALSO AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE THAT WE PROVIDED IN THE ORDINANCE.

AND THEN LASTLY, THIS WOULD BE A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR AND THE VIOLATION OF $500 WOULD BE IN EFFECT. IF SOMEONE IS IN VIOLATION OF THIS ORDINANCE. SO I'LL STOP THERE AND HAVE ANY DISCUSSION THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE ON THE LANGUAGE. GO BACK TO THE SECTION QUESTIONS. COMMENTS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. I THINK THE LANGUAGE IS VERY THOUGHTFUL. I'M FINE WITH IT AS IT IS. THANK YOU . ANY ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR? THANK YOU.

AND I THINK THE LANGUAGE IS VERY THOUGHTFUL AS WELL. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. ABOUT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY ASPECT AND THAT BEING KIND OF A JUDGMENT CALL. WE'VE GOT CENTRAL. WE'VE GOT CENTRAL HEAT AND AIR. BUT THAT. BUT THAT ROOM IN THE BACK, THE ONE THAT FACES WEST, IT'S GOT THAT WINDOW THERE. IT'S JUST NOT AS COOL AS I'D LIKE IT TO BE. I'D, I'D LIKE TO PUT A WINDOW UNIT THERE. WELL WAIT A MINUTE. I'M ALREADY PROVIDING, CENTRAL HEAT AND AIR, AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO STICK ANOTHER ANOTHER WINDOW UNIT IN THERE. I JUST I JUST THINK THIS IS FRAUGHT WITH WITH A LOT OF, WITH, WITH A LOT OF PROBLEMS, A LOT OF LOOPHOLES THAT I'M, THAT I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH. THANK YOU. IT DEFINITELY WOULD BE CASE BY CASE. RIGHT. SO THERE WILL BE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO EVALUATE, BUT IT WOULD BE RELATED TO THE DIRECT IMPACT TO HEALTH AND SAFETY. SO, IN THE HOA OR IN, IN THE MANUFACTURED HOME COMMUNITY WHERE THEY OWN THE LAND, BUT THE PERSON OWNED THE MOBILE HOME UNIT, THEN WE WOULD SAY YOU CAN'T PROHIBIT THE WINDOW UNIT THERE THROUGH ANY SORT OF COVENANT. WELL, BUT IF IT'S ALREADY PROVIDED CENTRAL HEAT AND AIR AND THEY OWN THE

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OKAY YES. AN HOA COULD NOT PROHIBIT WINDOW UNITS IN A PRIVATE PROPERTY THROUGH THEIR COVENANT IF THE PERSON NEEDED IT FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY BASED ON WHAT'S DRAFTED HERE. YEAH I WOULD SAY, PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT MAYBE LISTING A MINIMUM OF WHAT THE TEMPERATURE IS, EVEN IF IT'S LOW, SO THAT IT CAN BE IN CONTEXT OF HEALTH AND SAFETY. I'D BE MORE, AMENABLE TO AS WELL AS GRANDFATHERING IN THOSE THAT ALREADY HAVE WINDOW UNITS. BUT I THINK AS FAR AS IF IT'S SOME KIND OF HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION WHERE THE MAJORITY HAVE VOTED THIS IS THE COMMUNITY WE WANT TO LIVE IN, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO PULL THE RUG OUT FROM ANYONE AND PUT THEM IN A NOT SAFE SITUATION. I CAN ALSO SEE THERE BEING NEEDS FOR TEMPORARY USES UNTIL THEIR AC IS BACK UP, BUT I, I THINK MAYBE A LITTLE MORE FLESHING OUT OF THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE BEST. I MEAN, WE WANT TO PROTECT EVERYONE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME LET PEOPLE CHOOSE WHERE THEY LIVE AND WHAT THEIR COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE. SO IT'S A IT'S A BIT OF A BALANCE HERE THAT I'M TRYING TO WORK BETWEEN. THANK YOU. OKAY A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. AND THEN TO. DID I HEAR YOU HEAR YOU SAY ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO AIRBNB TYPES OF PLACES. THIS IS NOT IN THIS, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD SEE IF IT IS EVEN YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ADD TO THIS PROCESS. LET ME LOOK . AND MAYBE I KNOW THAT WE ARE BACK TO KIND OF THE CHAPTER 17 LANGUAGE. SO OKAY, THEORETICALLY , IF YOU'RE RENTING A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT AND THEN CHAPTER 17 WOULD APPLY. BUT HERE IT WOULD NOT UNLESS THERE WAS A COLLECTION OF AIRBNBS THAT WERE A COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. SO ESSENTIALLY THAT WOULDN'T APPLY HERE FOR, PROHIBITING AC UNITS. AM I SAYING THAT CORRECTLY? SCOTT? I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT . I WOULD NOT APPLY THE PROHIBITING OF RIGHT. THEY IF THEY HAVE AN AIRBNB AND THEY'RE RENTING IT. CHAPTER 17 WOULD APPLY THAT SAYS YOU'D HAVE TO PROVIDE AIR CONDITIONING IN THE DWELLING UNIT RIGHT. BUT HERE THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT WOULD AN AIRBNB WOULD PROHIBIT A WINDOW UNIT. OKAY INTERESTING. BUT THE HOA COULD WHERE THE AIRBNB EXISTS. THAT WAS A LOT OF MENTAL GYMNASTICS THERE. SORRY, I HOPE I ANSWERED THAT. WELL, OKAY. NO SO THANK YOU, WHAT ABOUT THE I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST GOING TO GO BACK TO THIS PARTICULAR, ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WITH THIS, WITH THIS PERSON IN THIS TRAILER, AREA, THE MOBILE HOME AREA, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THERE FOR. I GUESS HOA WOULD HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT IF THEY CAN ALLOW AIR CONDITIONING TO BE IN A LOCATION WHERE IT'S NOT SEEN. I KNOW HOA IS A REAL BIG ON ESTHETICS AND, YOU KNOW, SOME COMPROMISE IN THERE. IS THAT ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL COULD WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY ON, HAVING THE HOSE TO DO? YOU ALL WORK WITH THE HOSE COLLECTIVELY? WELL, OUR TEAM DOES VERY CLOSELY, WITH THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE AND HOW WE INTEGRATE WITH ISSUES WHERE THEY'RE NOT MEETING THE CODE OR HOA ARE HAVING ISSUES WITH OR IF AN HOA HAS HIGHER STANDARDS. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM. WE'RE OBVIOUSLY UPDATING THEM ON SOME UPDATES THAT WE'RE MAKING TO THE TOTAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. SO WE HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH A LOT OF THE HOSE AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. I'M WONDERING IF YOU ALL COULD, BRING THAT UP. THAT PARTICULAR, SUBJECT UP AS A COLLECTIVE SOMETHING, THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE ALLOWANCE FOR IT, BUT ESTHETICALLY, YOU KNOW, IF IT COULD BE DONE IN A MORE

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ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. AS I'VE BEEN LISTENING, I TAKE THE POINT FROM , MISS JESTER AND MISTER HOLLAND , PERHAPS Y'ALL COULD SAY SOME MORE ABOUT THAT. FLESHING OUT THE LANGUAGE MORE. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE? CHANGE. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE? I'M OPEN TO IT. BUT TELL ME, WHAT PART WE'RE CHANGING. I GUESS I CAN GET THERE. I'M JUST. Y'ALL HELP ME GET THERE. CAN I RESPOND? YEAH. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICTS. FOUR. THE EXAMPLE THAT I USED EARLIER THIS THIS IS A THIS IS A GUY AND SPECIFICALLY THE, THE, THE INDIVIDUAL THAT BRINGS THIS TO A HEAD OWNS HIS, HIS MOBILE HOME, OWNS IT, AND HE'S PAYING MONTHLY LOT RENT AT A PARK THAT PROHIBITS THE USE OF A, OF A WINDOW UNIT. SO ALL I'M SAYING IS IT'S A MOBILE HOME. IF IT'S A MOBILE HOME, THEN MOBILE IT TO SOMEPLACE THAT DOESN'T HAVE SUCH A RESTRICTION. THAT'S ALL I'M SUGGESTING. JUST JUST LET THE MARKET JUST LET THE MARKET DICTATE. THANK YOU. OKAY. SORRY.

I'LL GO HERE FIRST, REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX AND THEN DISTRICT FIVE. SO SO I AM GOING TO FAVOR THE HEALTH AND SAFETY, IF, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT ANYONE TO BE PERMANENTLY HURT. OF COURSE, BECAUSE OF LACK OF AC, WHAT I'M ENVISIONING IS SOME KIND OF HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION HOMES WHERE MAYBE YOU'VE GOT ONE PERSON THAT MAYBE IS A PROBLEM AND IT'S LOUD AND IT'S RIGHT IN SOMEONE'S FACE, AND THEY'VE CHOSEN TO COME TO, AS OPPOSED TO IT BEING IMPOSED ON SOMEONE THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND DOESN'T HAVE IT, WHEREIN THEY'VE MOVED TO AN AREA WHERE THEY KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT ALLOWED, THAT A GROUP OF PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, SHOULD WE WANT CERTAIN ESTHETICS AND WE AGREE COMING HERE THAT WE'RE ALL GOING TO ABIDE BY THIS, SO I THINK, I THINK I'M COMING AROUND TO THE LANGUAGE, BUT I'M JUST VOICING IN MY MIND, KIND OF THINKING ABOUT WORST CASE SCENARIOS AND HOW TO CRAFT THE LANGUAGE SO THAT WE CAN, GIVE, THE CHOICE TO PEOPLE, THAT, THAT WANT TO MAKE THOSE TYPES OF CHOICES AND HAVE THAT KIND OF CHOICE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE CERTAINLY, DON'T WANT ANYONE PAYING RENT, PAYING ENOUGH RENT THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE AC AND THEY DON'T HAVE AC OR THAT THE LANDLORD IS NOT FIXING THE AC TO WHERE, IT'S LIVABLE. SO AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING I HAVE THE ANSWERS. I WAS JUST, AGAIN, I WASN'T PART OF THE INITIAL WORK SESSION. WE'RE COMING BACK TO IT NOW WITH THE

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IT'LL GO INTO EFFECT LATER TO GIVE US A LITTLE TIME TO, EDUCATE ON IT IF IT BUT NOT RETROACTIVE. OKAY. BUT THEN WOULD IT TAKE AN ACCOUNT? SOMEONE SIGNED A LEASE UNDER CERTAIN TERMS. SOMEONE BOUGHT A HOUSE UNDER CERTAIN TERMS. SOMEONE'S LIVING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD UNDER CERTAIN TERMS . AND THEN THOSE TERMS PURPORTEDLY WOULD CHANGE MIDSTREAM. IS THAT. YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WRONG LANGUAGE HERE LEGALLY, BUT IT WOULD IT WOULD EFFECTIVELY VOID THAT THAT THAT PIECE OF THE COVENANT TO SAY IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE IF THEY HAD SOMETHING IN EFFECT ALREADY. SO I GUESS IF THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN BY RETROACTIVE. OKAY. AND THEN IN LOOKING AT SECTION 714, 203 18 TWO AND THE SUBSEQUENT SUBSET'S. HELP CORRECT ME WHERE I'M WRONG. IT SAYS IF YOU ATTEMPT TO ENFORCE SAID RESTRICTION BY THREATENING, IMPOSING A FINE OR LIEN OR OTHER RESIDENTS PROPERTY. SO IT SAYS IT'S UNLAWFUL TO DO THOSE THINGS. BUT THAT WAS MY QUESTION. HOW DO WE AS A CITY GET INVOLVED IN A LIEN PROCESS? SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN THAT SCENARIO, SOMEONE DOES, SOMEONE, TAKES ACTION. AND ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION IN AND THEY FILE A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY, WHERE DOES THE CITY INTERJECT ITSELF? ONLY IN THE VIOLATION THAT'S HERE THAT THEY RESTRICTED OR THEY THREATENED. WE WOULDN'T ADDRESS THE LIEN PART OF IT. SO THEY WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE AND BE A CLASS C THERE FOR THIS PIECE OF IT ONLY. YEAH. AND SO THAT THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME AGAIN AND CONSISTENTLY, I BELIEVE FOR CONSISTENCY WE PUT IN LANGUAGE. BUT TO THE LAYPERSON THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO THE JP AND SAY NO, NO, NO, YOU CAN'T FILE A LIEN AGAINST ME OR YOU CAN'T RETALIATE AGAINST ME. AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE. THEY CAN DO ALL THOSE THINGS IN THE CITY IS NOT COMING TO RESCUE THEM. THEY'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS INDEPENDENT OF OUR PROCESS. AND THERE'S NO MECHANISM FOR THE CITY TO REVERSE ANYTHING THAT A COUNTY JP COURT. AND I THINK THAT'S IS THAT THE RIGHT JURISDICTION FOR, FOR LIENS IS THAT $120,000? OKAY. SO CORRECT. IT WOULD ONLY GO INTO EFFECT IF THIS RESIDENT CAME TO US AND SAID THEY'VE IMPOSED THIS RESTRICTION ON ME, AND I CAN'T DO IT. WE WOULDN'T BE IN A INVOLVED IN THE ANY OTHER LEGAL PROCESS BEYOND THAT.

RIGHT. BUT PLAYING THAT OUT, EVEN IF THAT WAS TRIGGERED, THE CITY WOULD DEAL WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND HAVE SOME SEPARATE PROCESS. ALL THE WHILE, THIS OTHER PROCESS WHERE LIENS BEEN PLACED ON THEIR HOME OR WHATEVER ACTION THEY'RE SEEKING AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, GOES FORWARD UNINTERRUPTED, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE CITY WOULD NOT INTERFERE IN THE PRIVATE TRANSACTION BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE AND THE HOA OR WHOMEVER IT MIGHT BE. RIGHT. SO I THAT'S WHERE I LAND. WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE LEAN ON INTERACTING IN PRIVATE TRANSACTIONS. YEAH.

WE'RE NOT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHY THIS IS DRAFTED THE WAY THAT IT IS. AGAIN, RESPECTFUL THOUGH I

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AND THEN BECAUSE TRULY, IF WE WERE TO NARROW THIS DOWN WHERE IT CAME FROM WAS THE ONE ARTICLE ABOUT THE ONE SET OF NEIGHBORHOOD I'VE NOT HEARD IT FROM RESIDENTS AND SO IF WE GET SKINNY THERE AND THAT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION, THEN GREAT. BUT TO JUST BROADLY SAY THIS IS HAPPENING EVERYWHERE AND WE DON'T HAVE DATA TO SUPPORT THAT, THAT'S THAT'S THE HARD PART FOR ME. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I SPOKE TO THIS MAN THAT THAT THAT BRINGS THIS TO A HEAD.

I SPOKE TO THE GUY. HE HAD OWNED THE MOBILE HOME FOR 25 YEARS. HE HAD NOT HAD AIR CONDITIONING FOR TEN YEARS. SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT POPPED UP OVERNIGHT. THIS WAS A DECADE LONG SITUATION. AND HE OWNS THE MOBILE HOME. IT'S NOT SOME LANDLORD HERE. IT'S THE OWNER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND TO MY COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT ABOUT ABOUT IT'S NO LONGER MOBILE. WELL, I MEAN ISN'T ISN'T THAT PART OF THE HOMEOWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THE HOME, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEELS OR ROOF OR STOVE OR OR OR OR AIR CONDITIONING, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT'S THE THAT'S THE HOMEOWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY. THAT'S THE DEAL.

HE'S A HOME OWNER, SO HE'S THE HOME. HE'S THE BOTTOM LINE OF THIS THING. ALL THE ALL THE ALL THE LOT, ALL THE MOBILE HOME DOES IS RENT HIM, RENT HIM SOME GROUND TO, TO, TO PUT HIS MOBILE HOME ON. AND THEY'VE GOT EVERYBODY ELSE TO DEAL WITH. AND I THINK THE MAYOR BRINGS UP AN EXCELLENT POINT. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY OTHER SIMILAR SITUATION LIKE THIS. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. YES MA'AM. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I CARE ABOUT YOU, BUT I HAVE TO RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE. IN SOME AREAS THAT YOU NOTED. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY, REALLY DO NOT EVER, DO IS TO DO, TRANSACTIONS WITH, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS, GOING DIRECTLY TO SOMEONE. SO I'M USUALLY VERY GENERAL WHEN I SPEAK. BUT, SIR, I'LL JUST CERTAINLY HAVE TO, LOOK AT THE I KNOW WE'RE DOING IT FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THIS FINE LINE OF HUMANITY, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT PEOPLE FALL INTO AREAS THAT IS ONE STEP FROM HOMELESSNESS IS KIND OF BREAKING MY HEART AS I'M SPEAKING ON THIS, BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE HAVING HARD TIMES OUT THERE. SO I KNOW YOU REALLY DON'T MEAN WHAT I THINK THAT I'M HEARING THAT YOU SAY, BUT THERE'S JUST THIS WHOLE TONE OF, YOU KNOW, WELL THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST. AND SO A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE DO HERE ON THIS COUNCIL, IT DOES COME DOWN TO US, HAVING TO MAKE DECISIONS TO, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS TOWN KNOWS THAT WE CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER. THAT'S WHAT WE SAID, THAT WE WERE UNIQUE, THAT WE ARE CARETAKERS OF ONE ANOTHER. AND I'M JUST NOT REALLY HEARING THAT. AND I APOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR, NOT HEARING THAT, BUT THAT'S ON ME, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME FOLKS THAT WOULD HIGHLY AGREE, BUT JUST THE UNDERTONE OF THAT JUST SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT, JUST JUST I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE WORD TO SAY IN THAT REGARD, DOCTOR BECK, YOU'LL HAVE TO HELP ME WITH A FANCY WORD TO ADD TO THAT. BUT JUST SAYING THAT I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR WORDS, BUT I'M HOPING THAT YOU CAN HEAR ME AND APPRECIATE MY WORDS AS WELL. THAT IT IS JUST THIS PERSON. IF THEY COULD PICK UP AND MOVE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY COULD PICK UP AND MOVE, THAT'S A FIVE, SEVEN, $8,000 MOVE, THAT WOULD MEAN, HEY, JUST FIX YOUR AIR CONDITIONING THEN, IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF IT GOES TO THAT. SO, I JUST WANT US TO BE MINDFUL. I WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. NOBODY ELSE HAS TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT BUT ME. AND I'M JUST EXPRESSING THAT, THEN WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, STAY AT THIS LEVEL OF APPEARING, THAT WE HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING, IN THAT REGARD. SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO

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SO, WITH NEXT STEPS, THEN WE'LL BRING THE LANGUAGE THAT WE PROPOSED TODAY TO YOU TONIGHT FOR ICI FOR CONSIDERATION FOR CHAPTER 17 AND CHAPTER 14. AND AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT HEARING CONSENSUS ON CHANGES. SO WE'LL BRING IT AS IS, IF YOU ALL APPROVE IT TONIGHT, THEN WE WILL TAKE THE NEXT STEPS IN MAKING SURE WE EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON THESE NEW REQUIREMENTS AND PROHIBITIONS. AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY PROMOTE OUR EXISTING PROGRAMS THAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU IN THE LAST TWO PRESENTATIONS AS WELL. WE HAVE THE RENTAL INSPECTION PROGRAM, HOME REPAIR PROGRAM WILL PROMOTE, FIND HELP DENTON COUNTY FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP.

AND THEN OUR ENVIRONMENTAL AND SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAMS, WHICH YOU HEARD A LOT ABOUT JUST IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS. YEAH. AND I JUST WANT TO HAVE IT'S NOTED HERE IN MY QUESTIONS.

BUT REGARDING REASONABLE TIME AND ALSO, WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS, IT WAS I THINK IT WAS IN BOTH INSTANCES, REASONABLE TIME. ARE I JUST WANT TO HAVE A CLEAR RECORD THAT THAT'S THAT'S PROBLEMATIC FOR ME. THE ANSWER IS IT DEPENDS BASICALLY WE AS I, AS I SUMMARIZE AND THAT'S IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCE, IT'S FOR ME THAT'S DIFFICULT. RIGHT. THAT NO DIFFERENT THAN IF I HAVE A UTILITY BILL DUE. THERE'S A DATE CERTAIN WHERE IF I'VE NOT PAID THEY'RE GOING TO SEND A SECOND NOTICE. THEN THERE'S A DATE CERTAIN THESE OTHER ACTIONS TAKE PLACE. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FINDING SOMEBODY $500 BASED ON A RANDOM SET OF CIRCUMSTANCE IS NOT HERE, SIR. SO THAT'S ALREADY IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE IN CHAPTER 17. SO REASONABLE TIME IN THE SITUATIONS THAT COME UP. AND JUST TO HELP CLARIFY IS LIKE LANDLORD HAS A UNIT, IT'S NOT WORKING. THE LANDLORD'S WORKING DESPERATELY TO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, OKAY, WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC TIME FRAME THAT YOU HAVE TO FIX THAT UNIT, BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES THE PARTS AREN'T AVAILABLE, SOMETIMES THE LANDLORD'S WORKING ON OTHER, YOU KNOW, SITUATIONS TO ALLOW FOR SOMEONE TO PUT A WINDOW UNIT IN BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE LONGER. IT'S JUST REALLY DIFFICULT TO SET A TIME FRAME ON WHEN SOMEONE SHOULD FIX A HVAC UNIT. AND SO THAT'S WHY REASONABLE TIME IS LISTED HERE, TO JUST PROVIDE THAT FLEXIBILITY IF THEY'RE NOT REPAIRING THE UNIT IN A REASONABLE TIME. BUT ISN'T THIS IN ADDITION TO CHAPTER 17? NO, IT'S ALREADY IN CHAPTER 17. WE JUST TOOK OUT SOME LANGUAGE THAT WAS LIKE SAID, REASONABLE LENGTH OF TIME.

WE JUST REMOVE LENGTH OF JUST REASONABLE TIME. SO THERE'S NO OTHER THAN THAT LANGUAGE CHANGE.

THERE'S NO AMENDMENT. WELL, WE'RE CHANGING IT TO SAY, RIGHT, SO EVERYTHING SHALL OH THAT'S JUST SHALL, SHALL PROVIDE. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT IF THERE, IF IT'S NOT IN, IF IT'S PROVIDED AND IT NEEDS TO REPAIR, THEN THEY HAVE TO REPAIR IT IN A REASONABLE TIME. BUT IT'D BE DIFFICULT FOR US TO SAY YOU MUST REPAIR IT IN A DAY OR FIVE DAYS OR A WEEK. WE HAVE TO GIVE SOME FLEXIBILITY HERE BECAUSE OF IT'S JUST NOT A IT'S NOT A EASY SURE. AND MAYBE I'M NOT READING I THINK WE THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. WE'RE GOING FROM SHALL IS NEW SHALL PROVIDE A OWNER SHALL PROVIDE IT IN A RENTAL DWELLING UNIT. YES. AND THEN THAT ESTABLISHED LANGUAGE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT REASONABLE TIME. WHAT WAS IT BEFORE? REASONABLE TIME. BUT IT WASN'T MANDATED THAT YOU HAVE IT RIGHT. YOU HAD YOU HAD A REASONABLE TIME TO ADDRESS ISSUES. RIGHT. BUT THE SENTENCE IS VERY CLEAR. IF PROVIDING REFRIGERATED EQUIPMENT BECOMES IN NEED OF REPAIR, THEN IT MUST BE REPAIRED AND IT MUST BE REPAIRED IN THAT REASONABLE TIME. YES. SO THAT I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE I HOPE SO. THERE IS THERE IS A CHANGE AND IT'S THAT WE'RE MANDATING THAT AN OWNER HAS TO PROVIDE AC. YES, SAY STAYS THE SAME. AND THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT, IT JUST SAYS CORRECT. IF IT BECOMES IN NEED OF REPAIR, YOU HAVE TO REPAIR IT IN A REASONABLE TIME. CORRECT.

AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, RIGHT, I CAN I'M JUST SAYING I'M WHEN YOU ADD THAT SHALL PROVIDE AND THIS OTHER LANGUAGE, THAT'S WHERE I GET A LITTLE UNEASY WITH BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO AND DEFEND THESE THINGS OR WE HAVE TO SOMEONE'S GOING TO SAY, I NEED MORE TIME, AND THE TENANT'S GOING TO SAY, I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN FASTER. AND WHO'S IN CHARGE OF COMMUNICATING THAT TIME? AND JUST NOW WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A TENANT LANDLORD PROPERTY OWNER EXPECTATION AND NO ONE HAS REAL EXPECTATIONS AND SUPPLY CHAIN. AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE ME PERSONALLY, DON'T WANT THE CITY IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS. SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS. THANK YOU. YEAH REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. I HEAR YOUR POINT AND I TAKE IT IN GOOD FAITH. WOULD YOU BE MORE COMFORTABLE IF

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WE HAVE OFFICER DISCRETION TO ALLOW UP TO 21 MORE DAYS. SO ALL OF THAT IS IN OUR PROCEDURE MANUAL SO THAT OUR TEAM KNOWS HOW TO IMPLEMENT REASONABLE TIME. BUT TO PUT IT IN THE ORDINANCE MAKES ME A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME FLUIDITY IN OUR ABILITY TO MAKE REPAIRS TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, LIKE HVAC SYSTEM. PUTTING IT IN, PUTTING, PUTTING WHAT'S IN THE CODE IN THE ORDINANCE WOULD MAKE IT WOULD DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY YOU HAVE. CORRECT WHAT I'M HEARING JUST TO GET JUST TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE LANDLORDS AND, AND OUR TENANTS APPROPRIATELY. HAVING THIS IN HERE, LIKE IT IS STATED, IS HELPFUL RATHER THAN TO PUT SOME SORT OF SPECIFIED TIME FRAME ON IT BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MEET THAT STANDARD. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO CITE THEM BECAUSE THEY'D BE IN VIOLATION.

SO I JUST WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT. THIS ONE, PARTICULARLY. I'LL BE QUIET AFTER THIS. MAYOR, PERHAPS YOU CAN RESPOND TO THAT. I'M I'M TRYING TO FIND THE MIDDLE, BUT I CAN GET THERE IF YOU KNOW MORE DISCUSSION. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. SO THANK YOU. MAYOR.

YEAH. NO, I, I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WE WERE JUST AROUND THE 14 DAY. YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOUR AND I TAKE YOUR POINT THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY I JUST AND THERE MAY JUST NOT BE AN ANSWER BUT I JUST EACH INDIVIDUAL IS GOING TO READ THAT. AND YOU YOU MAY HAVE A TENANT THAT'S MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN ANOTHER THAT SAYS, HEY, I YOU KNOW, MY UNCLE USED TO WORK IN AC. IT DOESN'T TAKE THAT LONG. THEY SHOULD HAVE IT DONE BY NOW. ALL ALL THE THINGS. AND SO I JUST WANT TO PREEMPTIVELY HAVE A TIME FRAME OF WHEN SOMEONE. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S ACHIEVABLE BECAUSE I DO. I DO WANT TO RESPECT STAFF'S POSITION. I AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE MUCH OF THIS. WE'VE HAD ONE INSTANCE, ONE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, AND WE HADN'T HAD ANYTHING SINCE. AND SO I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THAT ACTIVE, ENOUGH TO TRY TO WORDSMITH, YOU KNOW, AROUND SOMETHING. SO I APPRECIATE IT, BUT THAT I AS I HEARD, STAFF'S POLICIES, PROCEDURES ARE IN LINE WITH MY EXPECTATIONS OF THAT 14 DAY WINDOW. AND SO THAT THAT GIVES ME SOME LEVEL OF COMFORT, TO, TO AT LEAST FIND PEACE IN IT , YOU KNOW, AS WRITTEN, REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. YOU KNOW, RHETORICALLY SPEAKING, I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IF THIS PERSON THAT I SPOKE TO HAD MADE ANY EFFORT TO GET HIS EXISTING AIR CONDITIONER FIXED NOW, HE SAID HE HADN'T WORKED FOR TEN YEARS, BUT WE'RE JUMPING. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE JUMPING OVER THE REPAIR. THE ONE YOU GOT GOING TO PUTTING WINDOW UNITS IN, IT'S IT JUST SEEMS. AND AGAIN, THE ONUS IS ON THE HOMEOWNER HERE. IT SEEMS TO ME, HAS HAS HE AND I'M AND I'M USING THIS SPECIFIC EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY EXAMPLE WE

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THERE'S NO OBLIGATION FOR A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO PUT AIR CONDITIONING IN THEIR PROPERTY. YEAH. HERE WE ARE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. SO WHAT I'M HEARING AS IS TONIGHT WILL COME FORWARD FOR THE VOTE. YES OKAY. THANK YOU.

[E. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on pending City Council requests for: 1) Request for a work session to evaluate the pros and cons of making Election Day a municipal holiday. 2) Request for a work session to set the scope and timelines for a Board of Ethics and staff review and report on policies for Council interactions with petitioners, applicants, and partners. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

I'M ASKING US TO HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION SO WE CAN CONSIDER ALL OF THESE THINGS IN TOTALITY.

SAFETY. OKAY ANY ANY COMMENTS? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. I WAS FOR THIS BEFORE, I THINK THE COUNCIL BRINGS UP SOME ADDITIONAL POINTS. I DON'T MIND HAVING THE DISCUSSION, WE'VE GOTTEN DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS SIMILAR TO THAT WAS LISTED BEFORE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BRING THAT UP AT AN APPROPRIATE VENUE AND DIALOG AT A WORK SESSION. SO I WOULD SAY, YES, I'M FOR HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE.

GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU. YES. PUT ME DOWN FOR YES. POINT OF ORDER. STATE YOUR POINT OF ORDER, MR. MAYOR, IS THE IS THE QUESTION BEFORE THE BODY TO HAVE A WORK SESSION OR TO DISCUSS THE MERITS

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SINCE ALL OF YOU WERE ELECTED, I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS, BUT, BUT VOTING IS DONE BY PRECINCT AND EARLY VOTING. ONE CAN GO ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY TO VOTE. SO SO, SO THE NEED, THE NEED TO HAVE THE NEED TO HAVE A HOLIDAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET OFF WORK, TO GO VOTE IS UNNECESSARY. POLLS ARE OPEN FROM 7 TO 7, INCLUDING AS AS COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER POINTS OUT SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS, IT'S JUST UNNECESSARY. I, I DON'T SUPPORT THE WORK SESSION, CERTAINLY DON'T SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL. OKAY, NEXT ONE. OKAY. OUR SECOND ONE IS A REQUEST FOR A WORK SESSION TO SET THE SCOPE AND TIMELINES FOR A BOARD OF ETHICS AND STAFF REVIEW, AND REPORT ON POLICIES FOR COUNCIL INTERACTIONS WITH PETITIONERS, APPLICANTS AND PARTNERS. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COUNCIL MEMBER BECK. OKAY LET ME GET THERE. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS SHORT AND SWEET BECAUSE MY VERBIAGE IS LONG AND I HOPE YOU READ IT ALL, BUT THIS WAS, AN ATTEMPT TO, HAVE A, HAVE A DISCUSSION, A WORK SESSION AT MEDIUM TO LOW PRIORITY, TO SET A TASK FOR THE BOARD OF ETHICS. WHO IS GENERALLY APPROPRIATELY ASSIGNED THESE KINDS OF TASKS TO, TO SEE, TO BRING BACK A REPORT TO US WHETHER WE NEED TO HAVE ANY, ANY CHANGES TO OUR RULES AND PROCEDURES, ABOUT HOW WE INTERACT WITH, WITH, APPLICANTS, PARTICIPANTS, DEVELOPERS, PARTNERS, ANYONE THAT WOULD HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM BEFORE COUNCIL, I WANT TO HAVE THE WORK SESSION TO SET THAT SCOPE, FOR THE BOARD OF ETHICS AND, AND THE TIMELINES FOR WHEN WE WOULD EXPECT A REPORT, ON ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, AND BRING THAT FORWARD AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION , AND, AND REACT TO THEIR REPORT, AT THE APPROPRIATE FUTURE DATE. SO AGAIN, THE REQUEST IS TO HAVE A WORK SESSION TO SET SCOPE AND TIMELINES FOR A BOARD OF ETHICS REVIEW OF INTERACTIONS WITH COUNCIL, MATT, POINT OF INQUIRY. WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR PUTTING STUFF IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF ETHICS? WHAT'S THE NORMAL MECHANISM FOR THAT? I BELIEVE IT'S JUST A COUNCIL REFERRAL. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY, CERTAINLY THE BOARD OF ETHICS, TO BRING THINGS ON THEIR OWN AND THEY DO THAT. BUT I THINK COUNCIL AS A BODY CAN GIVE THEM A DIRECTIVE IF THEY WOULD LIKE THEM TO, TO RESEARCH OR BRING BACK SOME KIND OF A PROVISION TO FOR COUNCIL TO REVIEW OR CODE AMENDMENTS FOR COUNCIL TO REVIEW. SO JUST A COUNCIL DIRECTION I BELIEVE IS HOW THAT WOULD GO. OKAY. GOT IT. THANKS ALL RIGHT, ANY ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK ON THIS REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE? WELL WORTH THE CONVERSATION. I SUPPORT THE WORK SESSION. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE? DISTRICT ONE. I SUPPORT THE WORK SESSION, REP

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ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THEY NEED TO SAY REGARDING SECOND PAGE? BECAUSE I'M GONNA CLOSE IT OUT. OKAY, SO THAT CLOSES, RIGHT? GOT IT. AND THEN REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. MAYOR, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I TRUST YOU AND MAYOR PRO TEM AND CITY MANAGER TO COME UP WITH A TIME FRAME. I'M NOT INTENDING THIS OBVIOUSLY TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR. SO YOU HAVE PLENTY OF FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE 26 NOVEMBER 26TH, OBVIOUSLY. SO WHENEVER Y'ALL NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WORK IT OUT. THANK YOU. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEP. OKAY, THAT TAKES US YOU HAVE THE LANGUAGE FOR THIS. SO. AND CAN YOU WHAT ARE YOUR NOTES? SAY SORRY FOR ITEM ONE. ITEM TWO. TWO. FOR ITEM TWO, I HAVE MELTZER AS A YES. MAYOR PRO TEM. I HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD AS A YES. I HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER BECK AS A YES. JUST COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER. YES LOW PRIORITY IS HOW I CATEGORIZE THAT. WOULD YOU SAY YES OR WOULD YOU SAY NO? YOU DON'T SUPPORT IT ? I THINK YES, LOW PRIORITY. THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOT IT ALL RIGHT, NOW

[1. Closed Meeting:]

DELIBERATIONS REGARDING CERTAIN PUBLIC POWER UTILITIES, COMPETITIVE MATTERS AND ITEM B, ID 241234. CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 WILL TO GIVE TIME TO SET THE ROOM BE BACK AT 420.

[AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED:]

[A. Proclamation: Denton Odd Fellow Lodge #82, I.O.O.F. 1859-2024 Celebration of 165 Years of Service]

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HERE YOU GO. AND YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND. OKAY. WELL, MY NAME IS CONNIE BAKER, I AM A PAST, GRAND MASTER OF THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR THE ODDFELLOWS AND, WE'RE HERE FOR OUR 165 YEARS OF SERVICE TO DENTON COUNTY. AND THE CITY OF DENTON. SO I'M TORRENCE BAKER, AND I'M THE FINANCIAL SECRETARY FOR OUR LODGE. I'M STEPHEN HILL, I'M THE CURRENT NOBLE GRAND FOR THE LODGE. I'M GLORIA EGGLESTON, AND I'M TREASURER OF DENTON ODDFELLOWS, NUMBER 82, AND I'M BILLY BOB EGGLESTON, PASSING OVER GRAND. OKAY. AND IF PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE LODGE AND KNOW ABOUT MEETINGS OR HOW TO JOIN, WHAT DO THEY GO TO LEARN MORE? WELL, THEY CAN, FACEBOOK PAGE WITH US. THEY CAN COME BY THE LODGE WITH SOME OF US, AND YOU TALK TO US, WE'LL VISIT WITH YOU AND EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT WE DO. AND IF YOU WANT TO JOIN, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME. WE NEED WE NEED MEMBERS TO CARRY IT ON. I WILL SAY THIS BEFORE I THE OTHER DAY IN COMMISSIONER'S COURT, AND I'LL DO IT BEFORE THE MAYOR DOES IT. I SAID 165 YEARS. I AM NOT A CHARTER MEMBER. I KNEW HE WAS FIXING TO SAY THAT BECAUSE THE COUNTY JUDGE ALMOST DID. BUT I'VE GOT 40 YEARS IN. IT IS A GOOD LODGE. WE DO A LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND, WE HELP OUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. WE GIVE SCHOLARSHIPS, FOOD BANKS, WE HELP AS MUCH AS WE CAN. SO, IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN, LIKE I SAY, GET IN CONTACT WITH US. WE'D BE MORE AND TALK WILLING TO TALK TO YOU AND WE'LL HAVE A SO AND HE TALKED ME INTO JOINING. IT'S A GREAT IDEA. I ENJOY THE SERVICE. I ENJOY THE FELLOWSHIP. AND I'LL SAY THIS THOUGH, BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, WE'RE AT A MILESTONE TO CORRECT AND A DEED THAT HAS LESS THAN GREAT LANGUAGE, DISCRIMINATORY LANGUAGE AT THE IAAF CEMETERY. THE ONLY REASON WE'RE ABLE TO ADJUST THAT AND CORRECT THAT DEED AND AMEND THAT IS BECAUSE OF CONNIE, THE GROUP, THE LEADERSHIP AND ALL THOSE THINGS. SO, I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO CAN WE GIVE THEM A HAND? YEAH. YEAH.

YEAH, I JUST WE COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT THEM, THEY WORK WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM, WHICH IS ALWAYS NERVE WRACKING. SORRY, MAC, BUT BUT BUT THEY THEY THEY PRESS THROUGH THAT, AND I JUST, I DO I WANT YOU TO KNOW, IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE YOU, HOW MUCH THE CITY APPRECIATES YOU. AND WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER KIND OF A GRAND OPENING. AS MUCH AS YOU CAN HAVE A GRAND OPENER CEREMONY AT THE CEMETERY. WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. BUT IT'S CRITICAL WORK, SO.

THANK YOU. I'M SORRY YOUR TIME IS UP, BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. OKAY? YOU KNOW, I KNEW THE MAYOR'S GOING TO DO THAT TO ME, THIS SATURDAY, OUR LODGE WILL BE OPEN FROM 1 TO 4. YOU CAN COME BY AND VISIT WITH US. IT'S COME AND GO. IT'S OUT. OFF A, 1415 EDEN STREET. I HAD TO STOP AND THANK HER FOR A MINUTE. IT'S RIGHT OFF OF SHERMAN DRIVE. SO YOU. SO Y'ALL CAN COME OUT AND VISIT WITH US. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU. 1415 EDEN. YEAH OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, THIS IS A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME. GREETINGS WHEREAS JUNE 22ND, 2024 MARKS THE 166 PARDON ME, 165TH ANNIVERSARY OF DENTON ODDFELLOWS LODGE 82, INDEPENDENT ORDER OF ODDFELLOWS OR I.O.O.F. FROM 1859 TO 2024. AND WHEREAS THE ORGANIZATION VISITS THE SICK, RELIEVES THE DISTRESS, ASSISTS THE BURIAL AND BURIAL SERVICES, AND EDUCATES THE ORPHANS AND WHEREAS AND WHEREAS DENTON ODDFELLOWS LODGE 82,

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TWO, THREE. AWESOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE. YEAH. THANK YOU, CITY COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU. GREAT TO SEE YOU, MAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. YES. OH GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU. GREAT. SEE YOU. YEAH. FEEL FREE TO STAY THE WHOLE TIME IF YOU WANT.

[3. PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC]

SPEAKERS WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE A SCHEDULED REPORT AND FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE AN OPEN MIC REPORT. A BELL WILL RING WHEN TIME HAS EXPIRED. IF THE REMARKS ARE NOT CONCLUDED BY THAT TIME, THE SPEAKER WILL BE ASKED TO STOP SPEAKING. IF THE SPEAKER DOES NOT CEASE AND A SECOND REQUEST IS MADE, THE MAYOR MAY REQUEST TO HAVE THE SPEAKER REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER.

SPEAKERS SHOULD NOT APPROACH THE DAIS. IF A SPEAKER HAS MATERIALS FOR THE COUNCIL, PLEASE NOTIFY THE CITY SECRETARY IN ADVANCE FOR SCHEDULED REPORTS. THE COUNCIL MAY INITIATE DISCUSSION OR ASK QUESTIONS FOR NONSCHEDULED OPEN MIC REPORTS. THE COUNCIL MAY LISTEN, HOWEVER, BECAUSE NO NOTICE OF THE SUBJECT OF THE OPEN MIC REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC IN ADVANCE. THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR DECISION BY THE COUNCIL ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS. AS A RESULT, THE COUNCIL MAY ONLY PROCEED AS FOLLOWS ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS PROPOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. MAKE A STATEMENT OF FACTUAL POLICY OR A RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY. SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO DIRECT ALL REMARKS AND QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE, AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MAKING ABUSIVE, PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS. ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE MAY BE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE. COPIES OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY SECRETARY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND SO OUR FIRST, SPEAKER IS A ELIZABETH CLINTON. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. HI I'M ELIZABETH CLINTON, SO HERE WE ARE AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO START BY WISHING EVERYONE HAPPY JUNETEENTH AND EID MUBARAK TO ALL AND ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE. SO MY FRIEND WHO LIVES IN GAZA CITY, WHO I SPOKE OF LAST TIME I WAS HERE, IS THANKFULLY STILL ALIVE 250 DAYS INTO THIS GENOCIDE. IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, I HAVEN'T SPOKEN HERE IN A MONTH. SO HE HAS SURVIVED ANOTHER 28 DAYS OF PEOPLE BEING CONTINUOUSLY KILLED AROUND HIM.

SO HE'S STILL RAISING MONEY TO FEED ORPHANS. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE TO PEOPLE IN

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SO AND IN JANUARY, IN JANUARY, WE'RE NOW IN JUNE. MORE CHILDREN HAD BEEN KILLED IN GAZA BY ISRAEL THAN GLOBALLY IN WARS IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE ABOUT THAT? WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE ABOUT CHILDREN'S RIGHTS? WE TALK ABOUT CHILDREN'S RIGHTS. WE TALK ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS. DOES THAT NOT EXTEND TO PEOPLE IN PALESTINE? DOES THAT NOT EXTEND TO THE PEOPLE OF GAZA? OVER 1 MILLION PEOPLE OUT OF AN ORIGINAL POPULATION? IT IS NO LONGER A POPULATION OF 2.3 MILLION PEOPLE. A MILLION PEOPLE ARE AT RISK OF BEING STARVED TO DEATH BY ISRAEL BY MID-JULY. IN A MONTH, A MILLION PEOPLE COULD BE DEAD IN THE STREETS BECAUSE WE'VE SAT HERE AND WATCHED AS ISRAEL HAS STARVED CHILDREN TO DEATH AND BOMBED THEM TO DEATH. DID YOU KNOW ON THE 8TH OF JUNE, ISRAEL, WITH DIRECT US SUPPORT, MURDERED OVER 270 PEOPLE AND WOUNDED 400 PEOPLE IN NUSEIRAT REFUGEE CAMP, REFUGEE CAMP? THEY'RE MURDERING REFUGEES IN THE PLACES THAT THEY SEND THEM AND TELL THEM THAT IT IS SAFE. 270 PEOPLE THAT THE US IS RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING. SO IF THAT DOESN'T ENRAGE YOU, THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT YOU'RE A RACIST. DID YOU KNOW ISRAEL IS RUNNING CONCENTRATION CAMPS? OH, OF COURSE YOU DID, BECAUSE I TALKED ABOUT IT THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE. PEOPLE TIED TO BEDS, SEXUALLY ASSAULTED UNTIL THEY ARE KILLED WITH METAL RODS AT THEIR ANUSES, AMPUTATED FROM HAVING THEIR LIMBS TIED FOR MONTHS. OF COURSE, YOU KNEW BECAUSE I SPOKE OF IT THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE. DID YOU KNOW IN THE WEST BANK, THE VILLAGE OF SAMIA HAS BEEN ETHNICALLY CLEANSED AS OF THIS WEEK, OF PALESTINIANS. SO THAT IS ILLEGAL. ISRAELI SETTLERS CAN MOVE INTO THEIR PLACES, CALL FOR CEASEFIRE. THANK YOU. TAKES US TO DANIEL COWART. YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. HELLO. MY NAME IS DANIEL COWART. I AM A JEWISH MAN. AND I'M HERE TO CALL TO ASK YOU TO CALL FOR A CEASE FIRE RESOLUTION FOR GAZA. IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS, SINCE WE LAST TALKED, WE'VE SEEN EVEN MORE BLATANT DISREGARD FOR PALESTINIAN LIFE. ON JUNE 8TH, ISRAEL CARRIED OUT AN OPERATION WITH AMERICAN ASSISTANCE WHERE THEY RESCUED FOUR HOSTAGES. YOU MAY IMMEDIATELY REALIZE THAT AFTER

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AND TO ISRAEL, IT HAS BEEN SEEN AS A WONDERFUL ACCOMPLISHMENT. THEY'VE BEEN CELEBRATING IT THAT, YES, AFTER EIGHT MONTHS OF RELENTLESS BOMBING AND MURDERING OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN, THEY WERE FINALLY ABLE TO RESCUE SOME HOSTAGES, BUT TO THE REST OF THE WORLD, WE WATCHED IN HORROR AS THAT OPERATION IS NOW KNOWN AS THE NUSRAT REFUGEE CAMP MASSACRE. AND THIS OPERATION, THEY USED AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE AND THE AMERICAN AID PIER THAT WE BUILT RECENTLY, TO RESCUE FOUR HOSTAGES, AND KILLED OVER OR AT LEAST 276 PEOPLE. AND MANY OF THEM WERE CHILDREN BY THE WAY. AND OVER 698 PEOPLE WERE INJURED. RIGHT. AND THIS CAN BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, NEEDING YOUR LIMBS AMPUTATED, BUT TECHNICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STILL ALIVE. YOU'RE JUST PERMANENTLY DEBILITATED, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT NUSRAT WAS DESIGNATED AS A SAFE ZONE, WELL, ACTUALLY. SORRY. ACCORDING TO ISRAELI OFFICIALS, IT IS A SAFER ZONE, SINCE THERE ARE NO SAFE ZONES IN GAZA, AND IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT AS A PART OF THIS OPERATION, THERE WERE ISRAELI SPECIAL FORCES MEMBERS WHO DISGUISED THEMSELVES AS PALESTINIAN REFUGEES AND ENTERED IN THROUGH THE HUMANITARIAN AID TRUCKS THAT ALSO CAME THROUGH THROUGH OUR PIER. AND, AND YEAH, THEY PARTICIPATED IN THE OPERATION AND, THAT IS A WAR CRIME. AND THAT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE FIRST TIME ISRAEL HAS COMMITTED THEM. AND LET'S ALSO TALK ABOUT THAT AMERICAN AID PIER. YOU MAY REMEMBER MANY MONTHS AGO WHEN THIS PIER WAS ORDERED TO BE BUILT TO HELP AID GET INTO GAZA. AND YOU MIGHT BE WONDERING, WHY DO THEY NEED HELP GETTING AID INTO GAZA, YOU KNOW, WELL, THE REASON IS, IS BECAUSE THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT IS ACTIVELY BLOCKING AID FROM ENTERING, AND THEY'RE ALSO ENCOURAGING THE CITIZENS TO BLOCK THE AID, LIFE SAVING MEDICINE AND FOOD. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE BLOCKING. AND IT IS BEING SUPPORTED BY THEIR GOVERNMENT. AND IT IS TECHNICALLY ILLEGAL, AND THEIR GOVERNMENT IS REFUSING TO CHARGE OR ARREST OR DO ANYTHING OR STOP THOSE PEOPLE. IN FACT, MANY ISRAELI OFFICIALS ARE SUPPORTING THEM AND CHEERING THEM ON AND ARE ON THE GROUND WITH THEM, SO YEAH, INSTEAD OF TELLING ISRAEL TO STOP, WE DECIDED TO INSTEAD WASTE OUR MONEY AND OUR TIME AND LET PALESTINIANS DIE WITHOUT RECEIVING ANY AID SO WE COULD BUILD A PIER, A PIER THAT WAS USED TO TRANSFER ISRAELI SPECIAL OPERATIVES, INTO CARRY OUT A MASSACRE. AND THAT IS WHAT OUR TAX DOLLARS IS GOING TOWARDS, SO IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS HOW HORRIBLE THIS IS, AND IT SHOULD ENRAGE YOU TO SEE SENSELESS VIOLENCE, TO WATCH SO MANY PEOPLE DIE, TO WATCH PEOPLE SUFFER AND DEAL WITH PERMANENT INJURIES AND PERMANENT TRAUMA, CHRONIC POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER. ALL RIGHT. THAT IS WHAT CHILDREN ARE SUFFERING THROUGH. WE NEED TO CALL FOR THIS TO AN END, WE NEED A CEASE FIRE. WE NEED SOMETHING. THANK YOU, NEXT SPEAKER IS DONNA SMITH. ABOUT A MURDER. OH, MAN. HELLO. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

OKAY. I'M DONNA SMITH, AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR BEING HERE AND FOR WORKING SO HARD ON BEHALF OF DENTON AND, AND WE HAVE SOME WONDERFUL LAW ENFORCEMENT, SOME, I TALKED TO THE PARAMEDICS. EVERY TIME I COME IN HERE, I HOPE I NEVER NEED THEM, BUT BUT I'M GLAD THAT WE HAVE THEM. SO THIS EVENING, I WANTED TO, BRING UP SOMETHING THAT I READ IN THE DENTON RECORD-CHRONICLE TODAY, AND IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH THE LAWSUIT THAT IS CURRENTLY GOING ON, BECAUSE DENTON IS BEING SUED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND THERE'S SOME NEW NEWS ON THAT IN AUSTIN. THINGS HAVE KIND OF TURNED, BUT THAT'S THAT COULD BE MOMENTARY. WE'LL HAVE TO FIND OUT. BUT DENTON, ELGIN, KILLEEN, SAN MARCOS AND AUSTIN HAVE ALL BEEN SUED PRIMARILY FOR THE SAME REASON BECAUSE WE'VE CHOSEN TO DE-PRIORITIZE, MARIJUANA. THE THING I WANTED TO CHECK ON IS

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WE'RE NEVER GOING TO ASK THE POLICE TO SAY, NO. I'VE TAKEN THIS, THIS, THIS VOW TO THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT I'M GOING TO PROTECT AND SERVE. YEAH. AND I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT THAT THAT SARAH HENSLEY, SHE WARNED THE COUNCIL AND SAID, LOOK, I'M NOT GOING TO ASK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO VIOLATE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR CODES TO SAY THEY WILL NOT OBEY THE LAW. AND THEN SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY ARE WE STILL GOING TO GO THROUGH AND PAY FOR ALL THIS? SO SINCE MR. GLADDEN THINKS THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR, HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT IT MIGHT HELP IF MISS ARMATURE AND DECRIMINALIZED DENTON BECAME DEFENDANTS IN THE CASE THAT WAS IN THE DENTON RECORD-CHRONICLE TODAY. AND SO MY QUESTION IS IF HE WANTS THEM TO BE THE DEFENDANTS, ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THEM TO BE DEFENDANTS, OR WILL THEY PAY TO BE DEFENDANTS? PLEASE WATCH OVER OUR TAX DOLLARS. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN NEXT IS JUSTIN WEISS. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL PLEASE WATCH OVER OUR TAX DOLLARS IS A GREAT SUMMATION OF I THINK, WHAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO SAY HERE. SO AS ELIZABETH MENTIONED UP TOP, THE UN DID PASS A CEASE FIRE RESOLUTION, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAD BEEN COMING TO YOU TO PRESSURE UPWARDS, SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO SAY, AND I'LL KEEP IT SHORT, BUT I DID WANT TO COME AND USE MY TIME THAT I HAD RESERVED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I AM REALLY DISAPPOINTED AND WE ALL ARE, MYSELF AND THE OTHER DENTON KNIGHTS WHO CONSISTENTLY ENGAGE WITH YOU, OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT, HAVE BASICALLY ALMOST NEVER BEEN SPOKEN TO OR ACKNOWLEDGED DURING THE SIX MONTHS WE'VE BEEN COMING HERE. SO WHILE A CEASE FIRE RESOLUTION WAS PASSED, IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN IMPLEMENTED YET. AND WE STILL ARE SEEING IMAGES OF PEOPLE BEING BOMBED AND DYING WHILE OUR TAX DOLLARS CONTINUE TO PAY FOR THOSE WEAPONS. AND I FEEL PRETTY GUILTY JUST ABOUT EVERY DAY FOR THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE I HAVE PAID TO HAVE KILLED. AND I THINK YOU SHOULD TOO, BECAUSE WE'VE ALL PAID FOR IT. SO AT THIS POINT, IT WOULD BE REALLY EASY FOR YOU TO PASS THIS RESOLUTION. YOU'VE GOT THE BACKING OF THE ENTIRE UNITED NATIONS. I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW MUCH STRONGER OF SUPPORT YOU COULD POSSIBLY WANT, AND I'M SURE YOU FEEL THAT THAT'S UNNECESSARY, AND FOR A MATTER OF PURSUING OR PRESSURING OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, I SUPPOSE IT IS, BUT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO MORALITY AND WHY WE'RE HERE EVERY TWO WEEKS. BECAUSE I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, NOT SPEAK OUT AGAINST GENOCIDE.

RIGHT? CAN'T GO ON THE RECORD AND BE SILENT ABOUT THAT. I AM MORALLY COMPELLED TO BE HERE DOING THAT. AND THAT'S WHY I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT DOESN'T FEEL THE SAME WAY. SO DESPITE THIS RESOLUTION, THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST JUSTICE RELATED TO THIS, SO THE ANTI-BDS LAWS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D WE

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SO THAT BEING SAID, OUR LAST TWO SPEAKERS. FIRST IS RICHARD HARRIS. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND I'M SORRY. YEAH I GOT YEAH I'M RIGHT HERE. YEAH. GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

HI, I'M RICKY, I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE, SITUATION THAT'S OCCURRING IN PALESTINE.

I'M GOING TO START BY READING YOU A POEM BY LINA TUFFAHA. THEY CALL US NOW BEFORE THEY DROP THE BOMBS, THE PHONE RINGS AND SOMEONE WHO KNOWS MY FIRST NAME CALLS AND SAYS, IN PERFECT ARABIC, THIS IS DAVID. AND IN MY STUPOR OF SONIC BOOMS AND GLASS SHATTERING SYMPHONIES STILL SMASHING AROUND IN MY HEAD, I THINK. DO I KNOW ANY DAVIDS IN GAZA? THEY CALL US NOW TO SAY, RUN! YOU HAVE 58 SECONDS FROM THE END OF THIS MESSAGE. YOUR HOUSE IS NEXT. THEY THINK OF IT AS SOME KIND OF WARTIME COURTESY . IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THERE IS NOWHERE TO RUN TO IT MEANS NOTHING THAT THE BORDERS ARE CLOSED AND YOUR PAPERS ARE WORTHLESS AND MARK YOU ONLY FOR A LIFE SENTENCE. IN THIS PRISON BY THE SEA AND ALL THE ALLEYWAYS ARE NARROW, AND THERE ARE MORE HUMAN LIVES PACKED, ONE AGAINST THE OTHER, MORE THAN ANY OTHER PLACE ON EARTH. JUST RUN! WE AREN'T TRYING TO KILL YOU. IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT YOU CAN'T CALL US BACK TO TELL US. THE PEOPLE THAT WE CLAIM TO WANT AREN'T IN YOUR HOUSE, THAT THERE'S NO ONE HERE EXCEPT YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN WHO ARE CHEERING FOR ARGENTINA. SHARING THE LAST LOAF OF BREAD FOR THIS WEEK, COUNTING CANDLES LEFT IN CASE THE POWER GOES OUT. IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT YOU HAVE CHILDREN. YOU LIVE IN THE WRONG PLACE AND NOW IS YOUR CHANCE TO RUN TO NOWHERE. IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT 58 SECONDS ISN'T LONG ENOUGH TO FIND YOUR WEDDING ALBUM, OR YOUR SON'S FAVORITE BLANKET, OR YOUR DAUGHTER'S ALMOST COMPLETED COLLEGE APPLICATION, OR YOUR SHOES, OR TO GATHER EVERYONE IN THE HOUSE. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU HAD PLANNED, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE. PROVE YOUR HUMAN. PROVE YOU STAND ON TWO LEGS. RUN NOW I KNOW YOU CHOOSE NOT TO ENGAGE WITH OUR PRESENCE OR ACKNOWLEDGE THIS GENOCIDE, BUT I WILL POSE A QUESTION TO YOU ANYWAY. WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT THIS WAS WRITTEN? YOU MAY BE SURPRISED TO KNOW THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN 2017. SO WHY WOULD THIS BE RELEVANT TODAY? THERE'S A FEW REASONS. THE FIRST REASON IS THAT A CEASE FIRE RESOLUTION WAS ADOPTED BY THE UNITED NATIONS ON JUNE 10TH, 2024. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD SOME OF US TALK ABOUT THAT. YOU MAY RECALL THAT THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR YOU ALL TO SUPPORT, AND IT APPEARS THAT YOUR COWARDICE HAS LOST THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO BE ON THE CORRECT SIDE OF HISTORY. AND THAT IS A SHAME. HOWEVER, I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE ARE NOT DONE HERE. ADOPTING A CEASEFIRE IS THE FIRST STEP TOWARDS DOING THE REAL WORK, BUT THIS POEM FROM 2017 DEMONSTRATES SOMETHING INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT RETURNING TO A STATUS QUO FROM BEFORE OCTOBER 7TH IS NOT ENOUGH FOR THESE PALESTINIANS WHO HAVE NOT YET BEEN VICIOUSLY MURDERED. SO PLEASE DO LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO SEE US HERE, BECAUSE AS JUSTIN WEISS MENTIONED, THE CEASE FIRE HAS NOT ACTUALLY BEEN PUT INTO ACTION YET. WE'LL BE HERE AGAIN AND AGAIN. AND IF YOU WATCH THE LIVE REPORTS OF WHAT IS OCCURRING OVER IN PALESTINE, YOU SEE THE DEATH TOLLS CONTINUE TO RISE AND RISE AND RISE AND RISE.

AND IF YOU DO THE MATH, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 146 PEOPLE KILLED PER DAY SINCE OCTOBER 7TH, WHICH WOULD MORE THAN FILL THIS ROOM. AND I JUST WISH THAT THEY HAD HAD THE CHANCE TO SIT IN FRONT OF YOU AND SPEAK WITH YOU. THE WAY THAT WE ARE GETTING TO DO, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE IT WOULD BE MUCH HARDER TO IGNORE SOMEBODY STANDING IN FRONT OF YOU WHEN YOU CAN SEE THE EFFECTS OF THE BOMBS THAT WE HAVE PAID FOR. BE SHOWN AS BLOOD DRIPPING OFF OF THEIR BODIES, THE BODIES OF INFANTS, OF CHILDREN, OF MEN, OF WOMEN, OF EVERYBODY. BECAUSE WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS HAPPENING, WHAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE IS ANY SORT OF A WAY TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN PEOPLE. INSTEAD, WE ALL BECOME CATTLE. SO AS WE WATCH ALL OF THESE PEOPLE DIE, I HOPE THAT YOU FEEL REALLY COMFORTABLE SITTING UP THERE, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. THANK YOU SO YEAH. THANK YOU, AND SO THE LAST SPEAKER IS TIM SMITH. IF YOU CAN

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RESIGNED IN MAY FOR THE BIRTH OF MY FIRST CHILD. SEVEN YEARS, AS YOU MAY TAKE NOTE OF, IS ONE YEAR PAST WITH THE CITY CHARTER ALLOWS YOU TO DO SERVED ALONG CHAIR ELLIS, WHO IS ON HER EIGHTH YEAR, SOON TO BE NINE. AND I BRING THIS UP NOT TO MAKE A POINT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED AT SIX YEARS, OR THE CITY CHARTER SHOULD BE AMENDED, BUT RATHER TO POINT OUT AN INEFFICIENCY OF THIS COUNCIL TO REPLACE US. IN MAY, AFTER I RESIGNED, MAYOR HUDSPETH, WHO I HAD BEEN APPOINTED BY NOMINATED ERIC GARLAND TO BE MY REPLACEMENT, SHE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY DENIED THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ON PNC BY FOUR COUNCILORS FOR WHAT SEEMS LIKE NOTHING MORE THAN HER POLITICAL OR WORLD VIEWS. NOW I'M NOT HERE TO MAKE A CASE FOR ERICA. I DON'T KNOW HER PERSONALLY. HER AND I HAVE NEVER MET, ALTHOUGH MY FATHER DID VOLUNTEER FOR HER CAMPAIGN. I ONLY BRING HER INTO THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE SHE IS THE LATEST IN A STRING OF NOMINATIONS AND SUBSEQUENT DENIALS THAT HAS FINALLY PUSHED ME PAST MY BREAKING POINT AND LED ME TO BE HERE TONIGHT. A SIX PERSON COMMISSION, AS YOU ALL KNOW, CAN RESULT IN A33 TIE, TWO TIES BECOMING AN AUTOMATIC RECOMMENDATION TO YOU FOR A DENIAL AND WHICH THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SUPERMAJORITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT TIES MAY HAPPEN, WHETHER IT'S DUE TO RECUSAL OR AN ABSENCE OF A COMMISSIONER, BUT WHAT I CAN'T STOMACH IS THE INEFFICIENCY OF THE COUNCIL TO APPOINT SOMEONE IN A WAY THAT LEAVES US WITH THIS SIX, SIX OR THIS SIX PERSON COUNCIL RESULTING IN POSSIBLE TIES. MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT THIS IS NOT A ONE SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM OR THE OTHERS, BUT RATHER THIS IS AN ALL SEVEN COUNCILORS PLAYING AT WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER A NINTH GRADE GAME OF A FRIEND OF MY FRIEND IS MY ENEMY, OR IN SOME CASES AN ENEMY OF MY FRIEND. SOMEONE WHO IS NOT ON COUNCIL BUT TRIES TO DIRECT MY VOTE BASED ON WHAT THEY WANT, IS MY ENEMY. THAT SEEMS TO BE THE THEME. AND WHEN IT COMES TO BOARD NOMINATIONS AND APPROVAL AS OF LATE NOW, I WAS APPOINTED TO PNC AT THE RIPE OLD AGE OF 26 YEARS OLD, AND WITH THE LAST FEW YEARS HAVE SHOWN ME, IS THAT AT 26, I WAS ACTING MORE MATURE THAN MANY OF THE 56 AND 66 YEAR OLDS THAT I THINK ARE SITTING IN FRONT OF ME. THE NEGLECT TO CONTINUOUSLY DENY ANOTHER FAIRLY ELECTED OFFICIALS NOMINEE PURELY BECAUSE OF THE POLITICAL OPINION OF THE NOMINATOR OR THE NOMINEE, DIFFERENT FROM YOUR OWN. HAVING A POLITICAL OPINION DIFFERENT THAN YOUR OWN IS ABHORRENT. NOW I SERVED WITH MANY PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT POLITICAL AND WORLD VIEWS ON BOARDS, COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS, INCLUDING SOME OF YOU HERE ON COUNCIL. MANY DON'T SEE THE WORLD THE SAME WAY I DO, WHETHER IT'S RELIGIOUS, POLITICAL OR SOCIAL BELIEFS. PEOPLE LIKE MISS BIRD, DOCTOR BECK, LARRY BECK, MATT PRUNEDA ARE PEOPLE THAT COME TO MIND. WE SAW THINGS DIFFERENTLY AND VOTED CONTRA TO EACH OTHER MANY TIMES, BUT THAT DIDN'T STOP US FROM REALIZING THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LEARN FROM EACH OTHER.

AS IT TURNS OUT, WE CAN BECOME FRIENDS. AND WHEN WE DID THE RESULTS, IN MY OPINION, ALWAYS END UP BEING THE BEST THING FOR THE CITY. NOW, IN A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS, DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS AND BELIEFS ARE WHAT MAKE THE BEST LEGISLATION, ORDINANCES AND DECISIONS FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF ALL. THE FACT THAT SOME ARE WILLING TO VOTE AGAINST SOMEONE NOT ON THE MERITS OF WHAT MAKES THEM QUALIFIED TO SERVE, BUT RATHER BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT WORLD VIEW THAN THEM, IS NOTHING MORE THAN, IN MY OPINION, DERELICTION OF DUTY. BUT BE OF GOOD HEART. I'M NOT HERE TO COMPLAIN, BUT RATHER TO MAKE A SUGGESTION I WOULD LIKE, AFTER MY COMMENTS ARE MADE, TO HOPEFULLY HEAR AT LEAST ONE COUNCIL PERSON REQUEST THAT A WORK SESSION ITEM BE ADDED IN THE NEAR FUTURE, IN WHICH THIS COUNCIL CAN BEGIN TO REVERSE THIS TREND. THAT ITEM BEING IN OPEN DISCUSSION REGARDING THE MUTUALLY AGREED UPON QUALIFICATIONS AND STANDARDS FOR SERVICE ON ANY BOARD, COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE MEMBER. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CHARTER HAS AN OUTLINE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT OUTLINE ISN'T ENOUGH. MY HOPE IS THAT AN OPEN AND CIVIL DISCUSSION MAY OCCUR AND ALLOW FOR A MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING THAT WHILE YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH THE OVERALL POLITICAL OPINION OR WORLD VIEW, YOU CAN AGREE WITH THE DESIRE TO SERVE THE DENTON CITIZENS. AND SECONDLY, AN OPEN DISCUSSION WOULD HOPEFULLY ALLOW FOR DISAGREEMENTS TO BE DISCUSSED, FACE TO FACE WITH A LEVEL OF PRAGMATISM. LIKE ADULTS , RATHER THAN LIKE NASTY NOTES AND RUMORS PASSED AROUND IN THE LOCAL DENTON ISD SCHOOLS. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. AND, WE DO HAVE OUR RETREAT THIS WEEKEND. SO I WILL, ADVOCATE FOR THAT. SO WE HAVE A WE HAVE AN ACTION PACKED WEEKEND TO DISCUSS THOSE THINGS. THAT IS ALL THE SPEAKERS , AND, I WILL SAY WHILE THEY'RE, WHILE THEY'RE WALKING OUT, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE, THE OTHER SPEAKERS, IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO, I'LL HAND THIS TO THE CITY MANAGER. I SEE YOUR NOTES HERE. AND IF YOU WANT TO HANG AROUND AND TALK TO STAFF ABOUT IT, LIKE ALFREDO, I KNOW I SAW YOUR YOUR YOUR CONCERNS AND

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EVERYONE ELSE IS GOING TO SPEAK LATER, SO. YEAH. SO, SO, SO THE, ALFREDO, RAISE YOUR HAND FOR ME.

THERE YOU GO. IF YOU COULD HAVE SOMEBODY BECAUSE IT'S, YES. YEAH. YES. SO SOMEBODY WILL COME TALK TO YOU, GET YOUR GET THEIR CARD SO THAT WE CAN GET TO WORK ON THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

THAT TAKES US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA. EVERYTHING BUT ITEM A, ITEM A WAS PULLED. SO IF, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO, I MOVE APPROVAL ACCEPTING ITEM A AND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT. PASSES 7 TO 0. OKAY. NOW, ITEM A IS. ID 2449 ID 24491. POINT OF ORDER, MAYOR.

[A. Consider nominations/appointments to the City’s Boards, Commissions, and Committees: Planning & Zoning Commission and Zoning Board of Adjustment.]

OKAY IT'S THE CHAIR'S OPINION THAT YOUR POINT OF ORDER IS INCORRECT IN THAT THE OUR OUR GOVERNING PROCESS SAYS THAT IT'S SOMETHING TODD, OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU WERE NOT HERE. IT WAS A33 TIE. IT COMES BACK. SO YOU'RE OFF BASE ON WHY IT'S BACK AND IT'S BACK BECAUSE OF OUR RULES. SO YOU CAN'T OBJECT TO OUR RULES. THERE ARE RULES, MAYOR. I APPEAL THE RULING OF THE CHAIR TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T HAVE COME BACK IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO THAT'S SO IT'S A QUESTION OF PRIORITY. SO I APPEAL THE RULING OF THE CHAIR TO THE COUNCIL. THEN MY ANSWER TO THAT IS IT'S NOT TIMELY. YOU WEREN'T HERE. WE HAD A MEETING SINCE THAT LAST APPEAL, WHICH SO YOU'RE TRYING TO GO BACK FOUR WEEKS TO SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED FOUR WEEKS AGO. AND THAT'S NOT ALLOWED. NO DIFFERENT THAN IF WE APPROVE A PROJECT THEY HAVE THAT WEEK UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. THEN THEY WOULD START MOVING DIRT. WE CAN'T RETROACTIVELY GO SAY, HEY, WE'RE CALLING THAT BACK. SO AND I AND I'VE AND I'VE APPEALED AND I'VE APPEALED YOUR RULING TO THE COUNCIL. WELL NO, YOU DIDN'T RULE THE FIRST RULING. YES. THE SECOND THING IS I'M SAYING IT'S NOT TIMELY. SO YOU I HEARD YOU THE FIRST TIME I SPOKE TO THAT AND THEN I RAISED THE ISSUE OF IT'S NOT TIMELY. SO I'LL DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THE TIMELINESS OF IT. WELL, MY ROLE HERE IS TO ADVISE THE CHAIR ON THE PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURES AS FAR AS THE TIMELINESS OF IT, THAT JUST GO THROUGH THE HISTORY. THERE WAS TWO MEETINGS AGO. THERE WAS A VOTE ON THIS ITEM. IT WAS DENIED AT THE LAST MEETING. THERE WAS A ANOTHER VOTE ON THE SAME ISSUE. THAT WAS A TIE VOTE PER OUR RULES THAT THEN COMES BACK TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING UNTIL THERE'S ENOUGH COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WOULD BREAK THAT TIE. SO AT THIS POINT, THERE'S KIND OF THE TIMELINESS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO, MAYOR, AS FAR AS TIMELINESS. THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A MOTION. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A MOTION AGAIN TO APPROVE THIS ITEM, WHICH WILL BE TIMELY, I BELIEVE, BECAUSE COUNCIL WAS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION HERE AT SOME POINT IN ORDER TO TAKE THIS ITEM BACK UP. YEAH. THEN I WILL THEN LET ME GET. BEAR WITH ME. MAYOR, WHILE

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THAT AGAIN WAS A TIE VOTE. AT THAT TIME IT WAS A TIE VOTE. SO AGAIN A POINT OF ORDER WOULD HAVE BEEN TIMELY. AT THAT POINT. OUR RULES SAY THAT IF THERE'S A TIE VOTE, IT COMES BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. AND THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE ANOTHER MOTION THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE TO APPROVE THIS CANDIDATE. THAT BEING ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY.

AND THAT'S ABOUT A I'M SORRY FOR COUNCIL ABOUT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT MOTION. I THINK IT IS TIMELY FOR THE POINT OF ORDER, BECAUSE IT'S STILL SUBJECT TO A MOTION AND A VOTE TONIGHT. SO HERE'S HERE'S WHAT WE'LL DISCUSS THEN. AND FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG, JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, WE IF AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. MATT, WE HAD A MEETING ON JUNE 4TH AND THAT VOTE WAS TAKEN. AND NOW WE'RE AT JUNE 18TH. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S THE TIME FRAME OR IS THERE ONE BEFORE THAT? I THINK THERE WAS ONE BEFORE THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MAY 21ST. SO MAY 21ST WE HAD A VOTE AND THAT WAS ERICA GARLAND'S APPOINTMENT WAS DENIED. THEN IT WAS PLACED BACK ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE THE MAYOR HAS THE RIGHT TO PUT THINGS ON THE AGENDA. AND I PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR JUNE 4TH. WE HAD A TIE JUNE 4TH. THEN THAT BROUGHT US TO TODAY, BECAUSE BY OUR RULES IT HAS TO COME BACK. SO THEN IT CAME BACK TODAY ON JUNE 18TH. NOW NOTE, THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE WAS NOT HERE ON JUNE 4TH. SO NOW ON JUNE THE 18TH, HOW MANY DAYS IS THAT? MAY 21ST IS WHEN THE VOTE THAT YOU'RE APPEALING, YOU'RE APPEALING TO THE MAY 21ST VOTE. AM I CORRECT? TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST SAID. I THINK THAT THERE IS A MOTION NOW THAT ARE POTENTIALLY THAT MY THAT MY POINT OF ORDER WOULD STILL BE RELEVANT FOR REQUIRING A MOTION TO RECONSIDER. BUT THE OBJECTION IS TO THE VOTE WHEN IT CAME BACK ON THE 21ST, BECAUSE BY OUR RULES, IT HAS TO COME BACK TODAY . WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY COMPETING RULES, WHICH IS A GOOD REASON TO APPEAL TO THE BODY TO SORT IT OUT, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, I WASN'T AWARE OF THIS. I DON'T DISPUTE IT THAT THE MAYOR HAS THE RIGHT TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT SUPERSEDES THE REQUIREMENT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT PREVIOUSLY DIDN'T PREVAIL, TO HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT MAY WELL BE THE CASE, NOT DISPUTING IT, THAT THE MAYOR CAN PUT SOME NEW ITEM ON, BUT THAT DOESN'T IN AND OF ITSELF SAY THAT THE MAYOR CAN OVERRIDE THE REQUIREMENT FOR A MOTION TO RECONSIDER ON AN ITEM PREVIOUSLY TAKEN UP. OKAY, SO THAT'S 29 DAYS LATER. MR. CITY ATTORNEY, I DISAGREE WITH YOU. WE'LL PUT IT TO THE BODY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR. THAT AND MY PATH IS SOLID. AND SO THE PROBLEM YOU'LL YOU WILL HAVE HERE IS THERE'S ONE ITEM, RIGHT? THERE'S ONE INDIVIDUAL, THERE'S TWO INDIVIDUALS, ONE ITEM. SO HOW DO YOU HOW DO WE NAVIGATE THAT. YEAH I'M CATCHING ALL THIS AS IN TERMS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING. THERE'S ALSO A ZBA NOMINATION TONIGHT. YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE THAT UP BEFORE OR AFTER.

IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS UP NOW, THEN YOU NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THIS IS A POINT OF ORDER RELATED TO THE P AND Z COMMISSIONER VOTE NOMINATION. YOU WOULD TAKE THAT UP AS YOU DID LAST TIME. ONE VOTE ON THAT. IF IT GETS THROUGH A POINT OF ORDER AND THEN YOU COULD TAKE UP THE SECOND ITEM AFTERWARDS. YEAH. SO WHO ARE YOU TARGETING? WELL, NO, IT'S ONLY THE, THE P AND Z VOTE. THE REQUEST TO STAFF WAS MADE REGARDING THAT ITEM, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED TO STAFF TO COUNCIL THAT WAS PULLED. SO THAT'S THE ITEM THAT I'M REFERRING TO. LET ME SPEAK TO THAT AND I'LL CONFIRM THIS. AND I'M SORRY Y'ALL. YOU TRUST ME I KNOW, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, YOU CAN'T PULL AN ITEM FROM ONE ITEM, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T BIFURCATE THOSE. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

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SO PEOPLE WOULD THINK THAT BOTH OF THOSE ARE PULLED. IN MY ESTIMATION. I'M ASKING YOU, WHAT IS YOUR HOW DO YOU SEPARATE ITEM A INTO TWO PIECES? WHEN THERE'S ONE NUMBER, THERE'S NOT A ID FOR ONE INDIVIDUAL, AN ID FOR ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL. HOW DO WE HOW DO WE BIFURCATE THOSE TWO, I CAN SPEAK TO OUR PRIOR EXPERIENCE, WHICH IS WE'VE TAKEN IT UP AND THEN TAKEN INDIVIDUAL VOTES ON EACH ITEM OR EACH NOMINATION. BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT, HE SAYS. AND THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. THE PRACTICE WAS WE VOTED FIVE TIMES, RIGHT? HE'S SAYING HE WANTS TO VOTE ONE TIME FOR ONE INDIVIDUAL AND NOT VOTE ON THE OTHER. HE WANTS TO ASSUME THAT THAT OTHER ONE WAS CAUGHT UP IN THE WAVE OF CONSENT AGENDA VOTES. NO, THAT'S NOT THE PLACE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE AT. NO, THEY'RE BOTH BEEN PULLED. YES. IF THAT'S THE POINT YOU'RE MAKING. NEITHER OF THESE NOMINATIONS HAVE BEEN APPROVED AT THIS POINT. I THINK THE ITEM A WAS PULLED, SO WE'D HAVE TO TAKE UP TWO VOTES, ONE FOR EACH NOMINATION. AT THIS POINT. AND I'M, I'M, I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT. MY POINT OF ORDER, REGARDING THE REQUIREMENT IN MY VIEW, FOR A MOTION TO RECONSIDER APPLIES TO ONE AND NOT THE OTHER. OKAY. SO YOU MADE YOUR POINT OF ORDER BEFORE I COULD EVEN GET TO A NAME. SO IF I CAN PROCEED, I'LL GO AHEAD. AND THEN YOU CAN GET TO THE NAME YOU'RE TARGETING, AND THEN WE CAN DO THAT. HOW ABOUT THAT? SURE. OKAY . OKAY. BEAR WITH ME. HERE WE ARE. OH, GOSH. OKAY, AS I SAID, ITEM A, ID 24491. FIRST IS, TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.

IT'S KEVIN BLAIR IS BEING NOMINATED. I'LL TAKE A MOTION. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT THREE.

SO I MOVE APPROVAL AND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR KEVIN BLAIR TO GO TO BE APPOINTED TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. CARD. OH, YEAH. HE'LL HANDLE THE OH, YES. YEAH. AND WE BETTER THANK YOU FOR THAT. BEFORE WE VOTE, THERE'S SPEAKERS FOR ITEM A AND WE BETTER GET THOSE IN, ONE PERSON WISHES NOT TO SPEAK BUT IS IN SUPPORT OF ERICA GARLAND FOR P AND Z. THEN IN, MATT PANETTA, IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. HOLD ON. MATT. AND IT'S ABOUT THE NOMINATION, SPOKEN ON THIS ONE

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THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING NOW, IT'S A WEIRD THING BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT THAT. THIS IS ABOUT POLITICS, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, SHE RAN AGAINST SOMEBODY, AND THE WHOLE THING IS UNFAIR.

EVEN THOUGH YOU GUYS FILE A FAIR CAMPAIGN, PRACTICES PIECE OF PAPER AND EVERYTHING, WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE DON'T ADHERE TO THAT, YOU KNOW? SO I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU GUYS HAVEN'T CONSIDERED IS THE DEGREE TO WHICH YOU ARE INSULTING EVERYONE ELSE ON PLANNING AND ZONING. THE PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE PUT ON THERE, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE TRUSTED BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE ONE VOICE AND YOU THINK THAT VOICE IS THE ONE THAT WILL DESTROY THE TOWN. YO, YOUR NOMINEES AN APOLOGY, AND THIS IS EMBARRASSING. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS, KEITH SHUGART. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBERS. JILL. YOUR FATHER. BE PROUD OF YOU. I KNOW HE IS. SO MAYOR. I SPENT SOME TIME LOOKING INTO THIS FOR YOU AND EVERYTHING. AND FOR THE COUNCIL TO. JUST FROM A I'M A BLUE COLLAR GUY AS WELL, MR. MCGEE. AND EVERYTHING. SO I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT IT FROM NOT IN THE BOX OUTSIDE THE BOX. I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY THERE ISN'T A BOX. OKAY. WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT WAS THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THIS CANDIDATE. THAT'S IT. SPEAK AND EVERYTHING. AND SO FAR, I'VE CAME ACROSS. SHE DOESN'T HOLD ANY OTHER POSITIONS IN THE CITY.

CORRECT. SHE DOESN'T HOLD ANY OTHER BOARD POSITIONS. SHE IS NOT EMPLOYED BY THE CITY. SHE'S NOT EMPLOYED BY ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN HERE. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHERE'S THE DISQUALIFICATION? SHE HASN'T COMPLETED A BACKGROUND CHECK BECAUSE SHE HASN'T GOT THROUGH THIS PROCESS. CORRECT. SO THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO UNDERSTAND OTHER THAN POTENTIAL POLITICAL PARTIZANSHIP HERE WHY THE NOMINEE CAN'T ADVANCE FORWARD, AT LEAST TO THE BACKGROUND CHECK TO MAKE QUALIFY. BECAUSE AS MATT HAD TOLD US, YOU KNOW, JUST RIGHT NOW, THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING, PAUL. THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT Y'ALL APPROVING IT. SO THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO Y'ALL. THAT'S IT. THEY HAVE NO ESTEEMED POWER TO SIT THERE AND PUSH POLICY. THEY HAVE PEOPLE TO COME TO THEM. THEY PROVIDE HEARINGS. THEY PROVIDE THEY PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY. SO I WOULD APPEAL TO YOU, MR. MCGEE, AS A BLUE COLLAR MAN, AS SOMEBODY THAT COMES FROM YOUR WORLD, SOMEBODY THAT MAYBE NOT BE ON THE HIGH END SCHOLAR AS I'M NOT, BUT I'M AN INTELLECTUAL. I LIKE TO THINK AS WELL. AND EVERYTHING AND SEE THINGS THROUGH. I WOULD APPEAL TO YOU, AS IN, I LISTENED TO YOUR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE AT

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DISENFRANCHIZED MARGINALIZED GROUPS AS WELL. I'M NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU IN A CORNER.

I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT. IF WE'RE GOING TO MEASURE WHAT THE SAME STICK, WE NEED TO USE THE SAME STICK EVERY TIME TO GRANT EQUALITY TO EVERYBODY IN THE IN THE PROCESS AS WE GO THROUGH IT. PAUL, YOU SAID AT MY HOUSE OR TWO HOURS ON A FRIDAY NIGHT AND WE DISCUSSED WHEN YOU WERE RUNNING YOUR MAYORAL CAMPAIGN AND YOU AND I HAD GREAT DISCUSSIONS. I MEAN, A LOT OF COMMON GROUND. I FEEL THAT WE CAN HERE AS WELL. I DON'T THINK THAT MISS GARLAND IS GOING TO BE SOMEBODY LIKE MATT WAS SAYING, THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO RUN THE CITY ON THE GROUND. I DON'T THINK THE CITY IS GOING ANYWHERE IN THAT DIRECTION. MISS BYRD, I DON'T KNOW YOU, BUT YOU SEEM LIKE A LOGICAL PERSON AS WELL. JILL, I'VE KNOWN YOUR FAMILY FOREVER. COUNT ON HENSLEY. I DON'T KNOW. YOU APOLOGIZE, BUT STILL, PAUL, WE CAN'T BE EFFICIENT WITH PLANNING AND ZONING. I SIT THERE LAST MEETING YOU WEREN'T. YOU WEREN'T IN ATTENDANCE. YOU WERE DOING SOMETHING. I GET THAT, BUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING? I HEARD TESTIMONY FROM PEOPLE UP HERE SPEAKING ABOUT PROBLEMS THEY'RE HAVING IN THEIR SUBDIVISIONS. AND IT'S PLANNING AND ZONING RELATED ISSUES IS WHAT IT REALLY IS. WE HAVE AN INEFFICIENCY TO GET OUR WORK DONE AS A CITY AS A WHOLE BECAUSE OF THIS STONEWALLING. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR REPRESENTING OUR DISTRICT THAT WAY. WE DID ELECT YOU, SIR. I APPRECIATE YOU, NEXT LAST SPEAKER IS CHARLES LEE. YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING? YEAH, THIS IS CHARLES LEE, I'M GONNA KEEP THIS SHORT. I'M NOT GOING TO USE UP ALL MY TIME, BUT I'M. I'M GOING TO BE BRUTALLY HONEST HERE. THIS IS BECAUSE ONE SIDE WON THE ELECTION, AND THIS IS THE FAULT OF DEMOCRACY. PEOPLE SAY DEMOCRACY IS SO GREAT, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT THE GREAT THAT GREAT BECAUSE 51 CAN TELL 49% THE MINORITY WHAT TO DO. AND THAT 49 MINORITY HAS NO RIGHTS. AND I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE ON THE WINNING SIDE OF A VOTE THIS TIME, THAT MIGHT NOT BE TRUE, BECAUSE ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOSE BY ONE VOTE. AND IF YOU LOSE BY ONE VOTE, THERE WILL BE NO MERCY, BECAUSE I WANT TO TELL YOU A STORY ABOUT THE FRENCH REVOLUTION, BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING. LOUIS THE 14TH, THE LAST KING OF FRANCE. HE LOST HIS HEAD BECAUSE HE LOST AN ELECTION BY ONE VOTE.

YOU GUYS NEED TO TREAD LIGHTLY. OKAY. WHAT'S THIS REPRESENTED IN DISTRICT FIVE? THANK YOU. MAYOR, MR. LEE, THE GREAT THING ABOUT OUR DEMOCRACY IS THAT IN A DEMOCRACY, THE MINORITY DOES HAVE POWER. AND THEY DO HAVE A VOICE. JUST WANT TO CORRECT THE RECORD, SIR, IT'S QUITE THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU ACTUALLY SAID. THANKS FOR BEING HERE, REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH, YOU ALL WERE NECESSARILY HERE FOR EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY COUNCIL MEETING.

THAT'S ASKING A LOT, BUT, I, I STATED MY REASONS AT THE TIME, AND, AND I'M NOT RUNNING THEM OVER AND OVER OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE APPLICANT. I'M NOT TRYING TO GIVE ANYBODY A BAD NAME OR ANYTHING, BUT PEOPLE ARE ATTRIBUTING MOTIVES TO ME THAT AREN'T MY MOTIVES AND BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT WITH YOU MORE. I'M ON THE RECORD, AND AT THIS POINT, I'M REALLY JUST ABOUT, IN MY VIEW, FOLLOWING WHAT I THINK COUNCIL'S RULES ARE FOR HOW WE RECONSIDER A VOTE. IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO RECONSIDER IT. THAT'S IT'S A PROCEDURAL MATTER. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF INVENTING NEW PROCEDURES OUT OF WHOLE CLOTH. WE HAVE A WAY TO DO THAT, TOO, IF WE WANT TO. SO AND WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION RIGHT NOW. IT'S PART OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT WHAT THE RULE IS THAT APPLIES. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING. PLAY OUT. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. FIRSTLY, I, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO BE MINDFUL OF OUR OF OUR WORDS AND HOW OUR WORDS COULD, COULD AFFECT, THE FEELINGS AND ACTIONS OF OTHERS AND I'LL BE VERY FRANK HERE. THE LAST SPEAKER CAUSED ME TO HAVE A, AN AMOUNT OF A FEELING OF THREAT. OKAY. SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT YOUR MOUTH.

THAT'S WHAT SHE NEEDS TO DO. THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. AND SO THE OTHER THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HAVING A DEBATE HERE. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. WE'RE VERY CORDIAL. WE'RE VERY MINDFUL. AND THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR ALL THE KIDS THAT DON'T KNOW WE CAN DISAGREE. AND IT'S OKAY TO DISAGREE IF YOU DON'T WIN. IF YOU WANT TO USE THAT WORD OR NOT, YOU HAVE AN

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AND SO WHEN WE'RE HERE, WE'RE SPEAKING FOR YOU. AND THAT'S OUR JOB. AND I DON'T WANT TO FEEL LIKE I'M UP HERE FOR BEING IN VAIN. I'M NOT HERE LIKE THAT. AND I'M NOT ATTEND ACCUSED OR I'M TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT WORD. ATTENDED TO ANYONE ELSE'S WORD, BUT MY OWN. I DON'T APPRECIATE BEING PUT IN ANY CATEGORY LIKE THAT. I'M AN INTELLIGENT WOMAN. AND I'M PASSIONATE. AND I'M GOING TO DO WHAT I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DO WHEN I'M MAKING MY VOTE. I'M TALKING FOR PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR ME, AND HOPEFULLY I CAN GET SOME SUPPORT BEHIND THAT. THERE ARE REASONS WE HAVE THE PRIVILEGE WE HAVE A PRIVILEGE OF SAYING YES OR NO, AND THEN WE HOPE THAT YOU ALL WILL RESPECT THAT. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THIS IS FOR MR. KEVIN BLAIR, ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. TAKES US TO WHERE WE WERE.

SO I'LL, REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. STATE. STATE, YOUR APPEAL. YEAH. MY POINT OF ORDER IS THAT THE ITEM SHOULD HAVE COME FORWARD ONLY AFTER A SUCCESSFUL MOTION TO RECONSIDER.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT DIDN'T OCCUR. IS THERE IS THERE A SECOND? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO, I SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE APPEAL TO THE COUNCIL, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, THIS IS DISCUSSION. MR. CITY ATTORNEY WILL YOU, I JUST WANT TO FOCUS IN ON, WHAT I BELIEVE THE RELEVANT, RELEVANT TIME FRAME. LAST WEEK, WE HAD A TIE VOTE, AND BY OUR RULES, THE COUNCIL'S RULES, IT COMES BACK THE NEXT MEETING. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS WHAT OUR RULES SAY. ABSOLUTELY YES. YES. SO OUR RULES SAY IT COMES BACK. THAT'S THAT'S THAT GUIDES MY DECISION. AND IN STAFF, IF YOU CAN COME DOWN I WANT TO.

WHILE THEY'RE PULLING THAT UP I HAVE. A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THOUGHT THEY SCRUBBED THERE THAT SAID AT THE DAIS HERE THAT THOUGHT THEY SCRUBBED THEIR FACEBOOK, THAT DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMMENT ON A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE. SO I'M NOT GOING TO MENTION NAMES BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO MOVE ON, AND I'M TRYING TO, BUT I CAN'T. AND FOR THOSE THAT THAT ARE WONDERING, THE REASON FOR CONCERN IS THIS YOU JUST HEARD THE CITY ATTORNEY SAY WE HAVE A RULE AT THE DAIS, AND YOU JUST SEE THAT WHAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN FOUR PEOPLE DON'T AGREE WITH THE RULES AND CAN CHANGE THE RULES AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE? WHERE DOES THAT END? THAT'S MY CONCERN. WHAT DOES THAT END? AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO MENTION NAMES, BUT I'M GOING TO MENTION THERE'S SOMEBODY AT THIS DAIS THAT SAID THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE PARTY OF CHILD MOLESTERS, SEX TRAFFICKERS AND OTHERS AND OTHERS ARE CELEBRATED AS LEADERS. THAT THAT TO ME IS NOT GOOD AND NOT BECOMING OF A LEADER. AND I HAVE A I HAVE A LOT MORE, BUT THAT'S JUST A SAMPLE, BUT I'M, I'M GOING TO SET THAT ASIDE AND HERE'S WHAT I'LL, HERE'S WHAT I'LL FOCUS IN ON. I ASKED STAFF TO PULL THESE PICTURES FOR ME. I PROVIDED THEM YOU CAN'T SEE IT VERY WELL. BUT LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU THE FAR, FAR LEFT. I SHOWED UP AT FRY STREET FAIR. THERE'S A GUY ON AN ORGAN AND A BAND. AMAZING BAND THAT HIS GRAY SHIRT SAYS. RECALL GERARD. I SAID, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE. I THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT ME. SO SO THEN I SAID, I DIDN'T I DIDN'T SHUN HIM . I DIDN'T DISRESPECT HIM IN MY MIND IMMEDIATELY I SAID PICTURES OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO I WENT BY STAGE AND TOOK A PICTURE OF IT AND SAID, HEY, LOOK AT ME, MOM. AND SO THEN AFTER DURING THE SET, HE CAME DOWN AND WE TALKED TO EACH OTHER AND I SAID, HEY, I WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER PICTURE. AND THAT'S ME WITH. SO YOU GOT TO RECALL GERARD ON THE LEFT AND A GERARD FOR MAYOR ON THE RIGHT, AND THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE. THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. WE SHOULDN'T BE STUCK FIGHTING EACH OTHER. ERIKA IS QUALIFIED. AND SO MY APPEAL TO THIS APPEAL TO THE BODY IS TO SAY, VOTE THIS DOWN, STOP THIS. IF YOU DON'T VOTE OR UP OR DOWN,

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SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO FIGHT. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO. YOU HAVE TO STAND YOUR GROUND, AND SO I'M WILLING TO DO THAT. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE. AND THERE YOU GO. I LOVE THAT LOVE, NOT HATE.

RIGHT. AND LET ME TELL YOU, LET ME LET ME TELL YOU WHY THAT'S SIGNIFICANT, WHY THAT PICTURE IS SIGNIFICANT. MY DAD GOES USED TO GO TO THE WELL HE STILL GOES THERE. BUT AT THIS TIME DURING THE CONFEDERATE MONUMENT TIME, HE'D GO THERE AND CALL EVERY COMMISSIONER A RACIST EVERY WEEK. IT WAS THE WORST THING I'VE EVER SEEN. I FUSS AT HIM ALL THE TIME ABOUT IT, BUT HEY, HE'S DEAD. BUT THE INTERESTING THING IS, WHEN THEY STARTED A COMMITTEE, HE WORD COMMITTEE FOR WHAT TO DO WITH THE CONFEDERATE MONUMENT, THEY APPOINTED HIM TO THE COMMITTEE. SO HE CALLED HIM A RACIST EVERY WEEK. AND THESE GUYS, ALL ELECTED REPUBLICANS SAID, HEY, COME SIT DOWN AND BE PART OF THE SOLUTION. THEY DIDN'T SHUN HIM. THEY DIDN'T. AND THEY HAD EVERY RIGHT TO. BUT THEY THEY APPOINTED HIM. SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE AND HERE WE GO. I'LL STOP HERE BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING TO ME. WE UNDERSTAND VERY CLEARLY WHO WILL REPRESENT OUTSIDE BIG MONEY INTERESTS, MELTZER SAID. MY QUESTION WHO WILL REPRESENT THE ERICA GARLANDS WHO REPRESENT THE ORDINARY PEOPLE? AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW, PAUL HAD EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE HIS CONCERNS ABOUT THE WAY HE WOULD PROBLEM SOLVE. THE WAY HE'D SIT IN THE SEAT, THE PERSON HE'D APPOINT TO THE SEAT. BUT HE LOST THAT ELECTION. THE OTHERS THAT ARE VOTING AGAINST MY APPOINTMENT CAMPAIGNED AGAINST ME OPENLY. THOSE ARE WELL DOCUMENTED AND THEY LOST THAT ELECTION. ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. I HAVE A RIGHT TO APPOINT WHO I WANT TO APPOINT AND THEY'RE TRYING TO DENY ME THAT. RIGHT. AND THIS IS THIS.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. I RESPECT THE PROCESS. AS FORMER MAYOR WATTS WILL SAY. BUT THIS PROCESS OF NOT EVEN ALLOWING US TO VOTE, ALTHOUGH OUR RULES REQUIRE US TO VOTE, IT'S WEIRD TO ME. IT JUST IS. IT'S A NEW LEVEL OF JUST KIND OF TRYING TO HIJACK THE ENTIRE PROCESS. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM TO SOLVE THAT, THAT THERE'S AN ELECTION PROCESS FOR THAT. SO THAT BEING SAID, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS DURING THE DISCUSSION. WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WHAT THE VOTE IS AND WHAT THE RESULTS OF A YES OR NO VOTE WOULD BE. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR COUNCIL. SO WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS THE DECISION OF THE CHAIR OF THE MAYOR IS BEING APPEALED. SO A VOTE OF YES IS GOING TO OVERRULE THE CHAIR AND WILL RESULT IN THERE NOT BEING A VOTE ON ERICA GARLAND TONIGHT. IF THERE'S A NO VOTE THAT WOULD AFFIRM THE CHAIR'S DECISION, AND THERE WOULD THEN BE A SUBSEQUENT MOTION TO CONSIDER THE APPOINTMENT OF ERICA GARLAND TO THE P AND Z REPRESENTATIVE IN DISTRICT THREE. THAT WAS QUITE A GOOD, TALK, AND I HOPE YOU GET TO REPRISE IT FOR, VERY WORTHY PURPOSES. MAYOR I DIDN'T INVENT MOTION TO RECONSIDER. WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, AND WE'LL FIND OUT HOW THE COUNCIL FEELS ABOUT WHICH OF THE COUNCIL RULES APPLIES. IT'S NOT NOT MY RULE. I DIDN'T INVENT IT. I ONLY LEARNED ABOUT IT ON COUNCIL. SO, WE'LL JUST SEE. AND IN POINT OF FACT, NONE OF US HAS THE RIGHT TO APPOINT PEOPLE TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS UNLESS IT'S, LET'S SAY, A MAYOR'S COMMISSION. WE

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TO THE COUPLE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS. THREE I SEE IN HERE FOR OUR SEEING HERE. MISS BIRD, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE. I'VE NEVER SEEN SOMEONE REP WEAPONIZE RACE LIKE THAT IN MY LIFE. SO Y'ALL ARE OWED AN APOLOGY. I THINK YOU'RE GETTING. THIS IS YOUR APOLOGY. THAT WAS OUT OF LINE.

AND I'M SORRY THAT THAT HAPPENED . OKAY, ANY OTHER ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. MR. CITY ATTORNEY, COULD YOU REPHRASE, PLEASE? SURE. WHAT'S HAPPENING? RIGHT NOW IS AN APPEAL OF THE DECISION OF THE CHAIR. A VOTE FOR YES WOULD OVERRULE THE CHAIR. AND THERE WOULD NOT BE A VOTE ON ERIKA GARLAND TONIGHT OR FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS FOR THIS POSITION ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, A VOTE OF NO NO WOULD AFFIRM THE CHAIR'S DECISION, AND THERE WOULD THEN BE A SUBSEQUENT ACTION TO CONSIDER. APPOINTMENT OF ERIKA GARLAND TO THE PNC. OKAY, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES 4 TO 3. SO THAT

[A. Hold a public hearing and consider approval of a resolution of the City Council of Denton, Texas, making findings that the proposed Tourism Public Improvement District and the proposed public improvements will promote the interests of the City and confer a special benefit on a definable part of the City; providing findings with respect to the nature and estimated cost of the proposed public improvements, the boundaries of the district; authorizing the creation of the district and directing the City Secretary or other officer to publish notice of the creation; and providing an effective date.]

HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF DENTON, TEXAS, MAKING FINDINGS THAT THE PROPOSED TOURISM PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND THE PROPOSED PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WILL PROMOTE THE INTEREST OF THE CITY AND CONFER SPECIFIC BENEFIT ON A DEFINABLE PART OF THE CITY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL JESSIE KENT, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER. I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT THE CREATION OF THE TOURISM PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT HERE FOR THE CITY OF DENTON. IT'S A BIT OF BACKGROUND. A PID IS A TOOL USED TO CREATE ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO ATTRACT CONVENTION, BUSINESS AND GROUP BUSINESS TO THE CITY. IN 2018, LOCAL HOTELIERS APPROACHED THE CITY ABOUT ESTABLISHING A T PID. AT THE TIME, CITIES HAD TO BE AUTHORIZED BY THE TEXAS STATE LEGISLATURE, AND COUNCIL PROVIDED THAT CONSENSUS TO PROCEED AND PUT THAT IN OUR LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM. IN 2019, THE LEGISLATURE PROVIDED AUTHORITY FOR DENTON TO BE ABLE TO FORM A T PID IF INITIATED BY OVER 60% OF AFFECTED HOTEL OWNERS THROUGH THE PETITIONING PROCESS. YES. AND IN 2023, LOCAL HOTELIERS CAME BACK TO THE CITY, SPOKE WITH CITY MANAGEMENT AND WANTED TO REVISIT IT. THE CREATION OF A TOURISM PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, OR TYPEKIT , ON NOVEMBER 14TH, 2023. THIS CITY COUNCIL PROVIDED DIRECTION AT A WORK SESSION TO PROCEED WITH THE CREATION OF THE DISTRICT, WITH THAT, HOTELIERS HAVE PETITIONED SUCCESSFULLY THE CITY ALONG TWO OF THE CRITERIA REQUIRED BY THE LAW. 60% OF THE APPRAISED VALUE AND EITHER 60% OF THE SURFACE AREA OF HOTELS OR

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