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          MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. IT IS TUESDAY, JULY 16TH, 2024. IT IS 2:01 P.M. AND WE HAVE A QUORUM. SO I WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS QUESTIONS ON THE ANY OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, I'LL GIVE COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER A MOMENT TO MAKE HER WAY BACK. I WANT TO LET STAFF KNOW I AM PULLING. CONSENT AGENDA ITEM. B ID TWO FOR 497 FOR INDIVIDUAL VOTES DEPENDING ON, THE INFORMATION PROVIDED. 
          AND SO MY QUESTION FOR LEGAL IS HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY RECUSALS REGARDING THE ANY APPOINTEES? I HAVE NOT AND I'LL JUST DOUBLE CHECK. CITY SECRETARY. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY REFUSAL FORMS. NO, WE HAVE NOT. OKAY. SO THEN MY QUESTION I POSED IT, OH, AND COUNCILWOMAN JESTER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO PULL, THE ONLY ONE I WOULD WANT TO PULL WAS JUST PULLED. THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN IS IT MR. CITY ATTORNEY SHOULD. IS IT PROPER TO ASK MY QUESTIONS NOW OR THIS EVENING? NO, THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ASK. GOT IT. SO I, I SENT OUT THE QUESTIONS, AND THEY MAY HAVE BEEN EMAILED BACK TO ME, BUT I'VE BEEN IN MEETINGS, SO I HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, MY QUESTION IS, SPECIFICALLY, COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER, YOU AM I? MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU'VE HIRED GABRIEL KILPATRICK IN THE PAST. 
          YES, I HAVE, AND, PARTLY IT'S THROUGH WORKING WITH HIM THAT I KNOW HIM TO BE A HARD WORKER. A VERY SERVICE MINDED INDIVIDUAL. AND I'M VERY HAPPY TO NOMINATE HIM. I'D ALSO LIKE TO TEE UP A QUESTION OF MY OWN, WHICH IS WHETHER ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE CONTRIBUTED IN EXCESS OF $500. 
          EXCUSE ME? IN EXCESS OF $600 IN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO ANY OF THE, CHARTER COMMITTEE NOMINEES. HAPPY TO RECOGNIZE YOU. AFTER I'VE DONE WHAT? I STILL HAVE THE FLOOR. MY QUESTION TO FOLLOW UP TO THAT WOULD BE, HOW MUCH HAVE YOU PAID HIM OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. OKAY, YOU LESS THAN 20,000. 
          CERTAINLY LESS THAN 10,000, ALMOST CERTAINLY. YEAH. LESS THAN 1000. YEAH. I JUST DON'T KNOW, I JUST DON'T KNOW. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'D HAVE TO LOOK IT UP TO FIND OUT MORE THAN 600. 
          I DON'T KNOW. HONESTLY I DON'T KNOW. HONESTLY. OKAY. SO ASSUMING WE'LL HAVE A BREAK BEFORE THIS VOTE ON THE 630 AT 630, I NEED THAT INFORMATION. I NEED THAT INFORMATION, TO HAVE A TO, I AS A COUNCIL, I BELIEVE WE NEED THAT INFORMATION. I THINK THAT'S RELEVANT. SO IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO PROVIDE IT, THEN YOU. BUT I WOULD HOPE DURING A BREAK YOU COULD LOOK AT YOUR RECORDS, AGAIN, IT WAS EMAILED YESTERDAY. THIS IS THE. AND THEN I'LL LOOK AT STAFF'S EMAILS. 
          THEY WERE CHECKING ON IT AS WELL. BUT JUST TRYING TO GET, HEALTHY INFORMATION SO THAT I CAN MAKE A DECISION ON HOW I'M GOING TO VOTE. AND SO I NEED THAT INFORMATION, THE OTHER THING, THAT I WILL POINT OUT IS THAT AND THIS IS JUST VOICING CONCERN THAT ANGELA BREWER IS NOMINATED AND SHE IS CURRENTLY A CANDIDATE FOR DISTRICT. IS IT 64? IS THAT RIGHT? SO SHE'S A CANDIDATE IN A ONGOING ELECTION, A STATE DISTRICT ELECTION. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT CITY RESOURCES. SHOULD ANYTHING BE MENTIONED, IN RELATION TO HER EXPERIENCE OR HER CAMPAIGN OR OUR CANDIDACY IN THAT? SO I'M GOING TO BE RESEARCHING THE LAWS THERE, AND THAT WILL INFORM MY VOTE THERE. SO I WANT TO HAVE A CLEAR, CLEAR RECORD OF WHERE I FALL ON ON THAT TOPIC. AND THOSE 
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ARE THE TWO THAT I'VE THAT ARE TOP OF MIND WHEN I POLLED. AND THEN ALSO I'LL JUST, ASK AGAIN. 
          SO, COUNCILMAN METZLER, YOU'VE YOU'VE NOMINATED PETER AND I'M NOT GOING TO, BUTCHER HIS LAST NAME. MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG HE'S LIVED IN DENTON? THE QUESTION I POSED TO STAFF WAS, WAS IT, ESSENTIALLY LOOKING TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT WAS WAS IT LESS THAN A YEAR? I BELIEVE IT IS LESS THAN A YEAR. I ALSO CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAVE MET WITH HIM. AND INTERVIEWED HIM. HE'S A HIGHLY CAPABLE YOUNG LAWYER WHO MOVED HIS FAMILY TO DENTON. AND THE RULES ARE THE RULES FOR A REASON, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU THAT YOU BE HERE FOR MORE THAN A YEAR. IT IS FOR COUNCIL. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A VOICE OF A FAMILY THAT CHOSE DENTON AND CHOSE TO MOVE HERE. SO THAT'S MY ANSWER. SO AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. THE RULES OR RULES FOR A REASON. YOUR WORDS. YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF RECENT HISTORY OF STEPPING OUTSIDE OF THE RULES FOR MY NOMINEE. RIGHT. YOU STEPPED OUT. THE RULES DON'T REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE A CLEAN SOCIAL MEDIA POST RECORD, RIGHT? YOU HAVE THE OPTION, MAYOR, TO VOTE YES OR NO ON ANY BASIS. YOU YOU WISH. I JUST I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THE TWO DIFFERENT LOOKS AT IT. ONE ONE LOOK AT IT WHEN IT'S YOUR NOMINEE. AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS THE RULES ARE THE RULES AND THINGS OUTSIDE THE RULES SHOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED. MY WORDS, NOT YOURS. AND THEN IT SEEMS LIKE NOW IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT. MY WORDS NOT YOURS. BUT YOU COULD SAY THE SAME FOR YOURSELF. IS THAT NOT. IS THAT NOT TRUE IF YOU'RE TAKING THE TWO DIFFERENT POSITIONS? NO, I HADN'T, WE HADN'T VOTED YET. 
          OKAY. LET'S SEE. YEAH BUT AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, YEAH. AND CANDIDLY, I THINK IT IS A CONCERN THAT HE'S ONLY LIVED HERE ONE MONTH, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEONE THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO LOVE DENTON. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT PURCHASING A HOME IN DENTON IS AN INDICATION OF LOVE. AND DENTON, I WOULD AGREE. AND I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD HOLD THAT CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD. BUT YEAH, NO, I BECAUSE IT'S AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I, I'M EVERYTHING THAT THEY DECIDE IS COMING BACK TO US. NO DIFFERENT THAN EVERY OTHER BOARD THAT YOU HAVE TAKEN A LEAD POSITION IN PREVENTING FROM HAPPENING. BUT THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S YOUR THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE. BUT I'M JUST SAYING I HAVE NOT WE'VE NOT VOTED YET. SO HOLD HOLD JUDGMENT. RIGHT. YOURS HAS BEEN ADMINISTERED. MINE'S PENDING. NOW YOU HAVE THE FLOOR FOR YOUR QUESTION. YES, MY QUESTION IS WHETHER, WHETHER ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE. AND I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THE ANSWER LATER TONIGHT, HAVE CONTRIBUTED IN EXCESS OF $600 IN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO NOMINEES FOR, CHARTER COMMITTEE. OKAY AND I WOULD ALSO HOLD THAT, YOU KNOW, INEVITABLY, THERE ARE YOU KNOW, THERE ARE WE TRY TO BRING NEW PEOPLE INTO THE PROCESS, BUT ALSO THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST VERY ENGAGE. AND IT'S NOT ATYPICAL THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN CAMPAIGNS IN ONE ROLE OR ANOTHER ARE ALSO INTERESTED IN SERVING ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. BUT I'M WILLING TO WAIT TILL TONIGH. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX, YOU HAD YOUR HAND OPEN UP. 
          YES, MAYOR. COUNCILPERSON JESTER, I JUST WOULD WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, I DON'T RECALL THE EXACT AMOUNT, BUT I PROBABLY HAVE CONTRIBUTED OVER $600 YEARS AGO TO A CAMPAIGN FOR JESSE DAVIS WHEN HE RAN FOR CITY COUNCIL. AND HE IS ONE OF MY NOMINEES, AND I'M HAPPY TO. IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN EXPAND ON SOME OF THE REASONS THAT I THOUGHT HE WOULD BE, WELL VERSED AND A GOOD SEAT, A MODERATE, LEVELHEADED SEAT AT THE TABLE, AS WELL AS HIS LEGAL BACKGROUND. TALKING ABOUT WHY I REALLY WRESTLED WITH WHO TO PUT FORWARD AND REALLY PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO IT. SO I'M HAPPY TO GO FURTHER. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT NOMINATION. I ABSOLUTELY COME PREPARED FOR THAT. BUT YES, I DID CONTRIBUTE TO HIS CITY COUNCIL CAMPAIGN. 
          HE'S NOT AN EMPLOYEE, NEVER BEEN AN EMPLOYEE, A DONOR, OR YOU WERE A DONOR. YES. YEAH SO I STIPULATE TO EVERYTHING YOU JUST SUGGESTED, AND SUGGEST THAT AGAIN, THE RULES ARE THE RULES FOR A REASON. THIS THIS BODY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST RULES SUGGESTED BY THE ETHICS COMMITTEE. NO ACTION WAS TAKEN, NONE OF THESE CANDIDATES ARE DISQUALIFIED FOR THAT REASON. NOR ARE ANY OF THE CANDIDATES, NOR NOR ARE ANY OF THE COUNCIL 
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MEMBERS REQUIRED TO RECUSE, FOR ANY OF THOSE RELATIONSHIPS. NONE OF THAT IS CODE. AND I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT YOUR NOMINEE. INCIDENTALLY OKAY, ANY ANY OTHER REPRESENTATIVE OF SIX, DO YOU HAVE FLOOR, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REITERATE THAT, ON THE RECORD, I DID PULL THIS MATTER FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AT MY FIRST FULL MEETING. IF I COULD GO BACK IN TIME, I CERTAINLY WOULD. I CERTAINLY WOULD PUT IN SOME KIND OF RESIDENCE REQUIREMENT. WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE MOST CRUCIAL, IMPORTANT COMMITTEES OR BOARD THAT THIS CITY HAS EVER PUT FORWARD, THE FOUNDATION OF OUR GOVERNANCE. I ABSOLUTELY WOULD HAVE PUT IN SOME KIND OF RESIDENCE REQUIREMENT THAT SOMEONE HAS LIVED IN OUR CITY FOR OVER A MONTH, FOR OVER TWO MONTHS, AT A BARE MINIMUM. AND I'M, I'M, I'M I DON'T KNOW THIS PERSON PERSONALLY. HOWEVER, I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED AT SOME OF THESE NOMINATIONS AND I PRAY AND HOPE FOR THE BEST. BUT I JUST WANT TO REITERATE AGAIN, I HOW CONCERNED I AM, AND I ABSOLUTELY AM HOPING FOR THE BEST. OKAY YEAH. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. YEAH. I ALSO LIKE TO COMMENT ON, ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, IN SPEAKING, OFF OF, COUNCIL MEMBER GESTURES, STATEMENTS IN REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PUT FOLKS ON THESE COMMITTEES A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE WANT TO STRUCTURE AND PUT CITIZENS OR PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN DENTON ON COMMITTEES. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, ALONG WITH JESSIE DAVIS, WE WERE THE ONLY TWO DESCENDANTS FOR THIS SUGGESTION, WAS THAT PEOPLE NEEDED TO BE VOTING. COMMITTEE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT VOTE. AND THIS BODY CHOSE TO TAKE THAT OUT OF A RESPONSIBILITY TO GET ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THIS CITY. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BE A VOTING, INDIVIDUAL. NOT HERE, NOT ANYWHERE TO BE ON A BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. I WAS CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, BUT THEY ARE NOT RESIDENTS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS, NOR THE UNITED STATES, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT ON OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN REGARDLESS IF IT'S THAT'S ONE YEAR OR THEY'VE BEEN IN THIS CITY OR STATE OR COUNTRY FOR 30 YEARS, 50 YEARS, THEY STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THIS CITY. SO I PARTICULARLY HAVE STILL HAVE SOME OBJECTIONS TO THAT. BUT IT WAS OVERRULED. I STOOD WITH THAT AND I WILL SUPPORT THAT. BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT ALSO IS WRONG. SO WE MAY HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT IF WE WANT TO BRING IT BACK AS A BODY, TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING. THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT WAS UNFAIR AS WELL. SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE COME TO, A MINDSET THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE, NOMINATE AND NOMINATE PEOPLE TO BE ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE. DISTRICT FIVE. YEAH. YES JUST TO ALL MY COLLEAGUES, IN CASE YOU ARE WONDERING, COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND AND I JUST HAD THE QUESTION, WHERE YOU SEE THE LAST COLUMN YEARS RESIDING IN THAT LM STANDS FOR LEFT MESSAGE AND THAT, OF COURSE, CORRESPONDS WITH THE DATE THAT STAFF LEFT THE MESSAGE TO VERIFY THESE THINGS. SO IN CASE YOU ARE WONDERING, WE COUNCILMEMBER HALL AND I JUST HAD THAT QUESTION. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. THANK YOU MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? AND SO SOME OF YOU SOME OF YOU WEREN'T IN THE ROOM. AND SO I'LL ASK THE SAME QUESTION. I KNOW THE ANSWER IS YES. I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER. 
          FROM REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE REGARDING, MR. GABRIEL KIRKPATRICK, HOW MUCH HAVE YOU PAID HIM OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS? MAYOR, I HAVE NO IDEA. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT MY CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS. OKAY WELL, I WOULD ASK THAT DURING THE BREAK, AND YOU MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO PUT FORWARD A NUMBER. OR IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT, YOU CAN JUST SAY THAT ON THE RECORD. BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT SO THAT WE CAN ALL HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION, YOU'RE PRIVY TO THAT INFORMATION. YOU FILLED OUT THAT REPORT. I TRIED TO GET IT TIMELY 
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THAT THERE WAS SOME MISCOMMUNICATION AND WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR, CLARIFY THAT STAFF'S WORKING ON GETTING THAT ANSWER, BUT I, I THINK AT A MINIMUM, BEFORE WE VOTE, PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW HOW MUCH AN INDIVIDUAL HAS BEEN PAID. BEFORE WE VOTE ON THEM. I THINK THAT'S JUST GOOD TRANSPARENCY. AND SO THAT GOES FOR I WON'T GO DOWN THE LINE. I, BUT IF YOU'VE PAID MR. KILPATRICK, HE'S BEEN UNDER YOUR EMPLOYEE, EITHER CONTRACT OR OTHERWISE. I'M ASKING FOR THAT NUMBER. OBVIOUSLY IT'S FILED, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT THE PRUDENT I WOULD ASK THAT PEOPLE DO WHAT I BELIEVE. MY WORDS, NOT YOURS, THE RIGHT THING AND PROFFER THAT INFORMATION SO THAT WE ALL HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION WHEN WE VOTE. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE ASK FOR STAFF. 
          WHEN THEY PROVIDE INFORMATION, THEY DON'T JUST GIVE ONE OF US INFORMATION, THEY GIVE EVERYONE THE SAME INFORMATION. AND IN THIS INSTANCE, WHERE THE DEFICIT, BECAUSE YOU FILLED OUT THE REPORT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER, OR HAVE A RECORD OF THE NUMBER, OR HAVE A FEEL FOR THE NUMBER AND, I DON'T HAVE THAT, SO I NEED THAT TO VOTE. I APPRECIATE THAT. WOULD YOU LIKE MY RESPONSE? NO, SIR. YOU SAID UNLESS YOU HAVE A NUMBER. YES. WELL, YOU SAID YOU WANT ME TO STATE SOMETHING ON THE RECORD, SO I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT THIS EVENING. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. SO WHEN WE GET READY TO VOTE, IF THAT NUMBER IS NOT AVAILABLE, THAT'LL THAT'LL INFORM MY DECISION. SO DON'T GIVE IT NOW. GIVE IT THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE THE NUMBER. YES GIVE THE NUMBER. 
          SURPRISE, SURPRISE. YOU DO KNOW YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE NUMBER RIGHT? I THINK YOU'RE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WORK FOR YOU. WE WORK FOR THE TAXPAYERS OF DENTON. WE DON'T WORK FOR YOU. 
          WE DON'T ANSWER TO YOU. I CERTAINLY DO NOT. YOU WANT TO GO GET THE INFORMATION? GO GET THE INFORMATION NOW! I TOLD YOU, I DON'T KNOW. YOU'LL HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME. PERHAPS THERE'S A POLYGRAPH TEST SOMEWHERE IN THE BACK OFFICE. I DON'T KNOW, I FILED A CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORT. YOU WANT THE INFORMATION? GO LOOK IT UP. NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. YOU PUT UP A NOMINEE FOR P AND Z. I HOPE YOU'RE READY TO TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GAVE HER SINCE YOU BANKROLLED HER WHOLE CAMPAIGN. SO WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER. SO THANK YOU. YEAH. NO I'D BE HAPPY TO GET TO A VOTE ON HER. YOU WANT TO? IF YOU CHANGE YOUR VOTE, WE COULD GET TO A VOTE. THAT'D BE AWESOME. BUT THAT IS CORRECT. BUT TO THIS POINT, I HAVE NOT MADE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER MY VOTE. AND BASED OFF OF THE RULES, WE CAN CONSIDER THAT IN SIX MONTHS. YEAH. NO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YOU AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS, I APPRECIATE IT. I APPRECIATE YOU. AND IF THERE'S 
          [A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the Fiscal Year 2024-25 preliminary Capital Improvement Program.
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ANYTHING ELSE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TAKES US TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION ITEM A ID 24225 RECEIVE REPORT, WHOLE DISCUSSIO. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE FISCAL YEAR 20 2425. 
          PRELIMINARY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. THERE IT GOES. ALL RIGHT. THERE WE GO. MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL JESSICA WILLIAMS, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER I AM BACK AGAIN TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THE 2425 BUDGET. I WILL BE BACK AGAIN SEVERAL TIMES THIS SUMMER. 
          SO WE ARE AGAIN JUST, WE'RE BARELY A LITTLE BIT PAST GETTING STARTED AT THIS POINT. SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET. WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER A VERY HIGH LEVEL. LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MAJOR FUNDS AND SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS FROM THOSE FUNDS, AND THE DIRECTORS RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN VERY GRACIOUS TO JOIN US TODAY AND ARE HERE TO TAKE PROJECT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE 2019 AND THE 2023 BOND PROGRAMS. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON BOTH OF THOSE. WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PRELIMINARY DEBT RATES AND THEN GO THROUGH THE CALENDAR. AND WE WILL REVIEW WHEN WE GET TO MEET AGAIN. SO I WILL TAKE QUESTIONS EITHER DURING THE PRESENTATION OR AT THE CONCLUSION. EITHER WAY IS FINE WITH ME. OKAY. SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF OVERVIEW BEFORE I GET TOO FAR INTO THIS. THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IS A FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT STAFF PRESENTS EACH YEAR TO THIS COUNCIL. WHEN YOU ADOPT THAT PLAN, YOU ARE ADOPTING THE FIRST YEAR OF THAT PLAN AND COMMITTING THOSE APPROPRIATED FUNDS. THE FOUR OUT YEARS ARE USED MORE FOR PLANNING TOOLS. SO AS WE GO THROUGH INTO 2425, OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM IS GOING TO TOTAL 1.15 BILLION. THAT INCLUDES PREVIOUSLY COMMITTED FUNDS OF 661.2 MILLION. AND WHAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING FOR 2425, WHICH IS 493.9 MILLION. HERE IN THE GRAPHIC ON THE LEFT, ON MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE HOW THOSE FUNDS BREAK DOWN BY THE 
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TYPE OR SERVICE AREA. IN SOME CASES WE WOULD CALL THIS BY THE FUND. SO WE HAVE GENERAL GOVERNMENT ELECTRIC, WATER WASTEWATER, SOLID WASTE. AND THEN THE AIRPORT. SO DUE TO TIME RESTRICTIONS TODAY AND JUST WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS, WE ARE GOING TO GO OVER SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THE MAJOR FUNDS. AND WE'RE REALLY GOING TO FOCUS MOST OF OUR CONVERSATION IS GOING TO BE AROUND SOME OF THE BOND PROGRAM. OH. LET ME SEE IF I CAN MAKE THOSE GO BACK. NO NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. GIVE ME JUST A SECOND, FOLKS. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE ME HERE TO DO MATH AND NOT COMPUTERS. ALL RIGHT, THE 2024 GENERAL GOVERNMENT HIGHLIGHTS. SO AS WE LOOK INTO 2425, WE'RE LOOKING AT NEW CAPITAL APPROPRIATIONS TOTALING 174.1 MILLION. WE'RE PROJECTING GEO AND CO DEBT ISSUANCES OF 158.2 MILLION, A TRANSFER OF 7.2 MILLION FROM OPERATING FUNDS, 5 MILLION IN EXTERNAL TRIP FUNDING AND 3.7 MILLION HERE. I HAVE LISTED FOR COST SHARING. THAT IS ACTUALLY IMPACT FEES. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO NOTE. THE MAJOR PROJECTS AND CHANGES THAT WE'RE SEEING IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT. WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE THE LAST SERIES OF THE 2019 BOND ELECTIO. THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUANCE OF 18.9 MILLION. WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE ISSUING FOR THE 2023 BOND ELECTION PROGRAM. OUR PLANNED ISSUANCE GOING INTO 2425 IS 60.1 MILLION. WE HAVE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDED AT 20.23 MILLION. THIS INCLUDES AN INCREASE FOR THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM OF ABOUT $20 MILLION FOR THE STREET PORTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. AND THOSE PROJECTS ALSO INCLUDE SOME WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT ALL OF THAT AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. AND THEN WE HAVE $230,000 FOR REVENUE FUNDED BIKE LANES. AND I'VE LISTED HERE JUST FOR GENERAL REFERENCE, THAT GENERAL GOVERNMENT INCLUDES FACILITIES AND FLEET TECHNOLOGY SERVICES, PUBLIC WORKS, PARKS AND ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES. OUR PREVIOUSLY APPROPRIATED AMOUNT FOR GENERAL GOVERNMENT IS 345.8 MILLION, AND THERE IN THE CHART YOU CAN SEE THE TYPES OF DEBT THAT WE PLAN TO ISSUE OR THE REVENUE, SOURCE. SO THERE YOU SEE THE GEOS, THE CEO'S REVENUE FUNDED IMPACT FEES AND TRIP FUNDING. OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE ELECTRIC FUND FOR 2425 NEW CAPITAL APPROPRIATIONS, 75.02 MILLION. WE'RE PROJECTING A CO DEBT ISSUANCE OF 69.8 MILLION, TRANSFER OF 45,000 FROM OPERATING AND 5.1 MILLION IN COST SHARING, PRIMARILY WITH TXDOT, SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS COMING OUT OF THE ELECTRIC CIP ARE FEEDER EXTENSIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS. THEY'VE GOT SOME NEW RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. THEY HAVE SOME PLANT IMPROVEMENT AND TECHNOLOGY AND ELECTRIC RELOCATIONS. IN THE ELECTRIC FUND, YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF 141.9 MILLION IN PREVIOUSLY APPROPRIATED FUNDS. AND ON THE LEFT YOU CAN AGAIN SEE WHERE THE TYPE OF FUND IS COMING FROM. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. GREAT WE'RE GOING FAST. ALL RIGHT. 2425 WATER HIGHLIGHTS, NEW CAPITAL APPROPRIATIONS. TOTAL 130.4 MILLION. WE'RE PROJECTING A CO A REVENUE DEBT ISSUANCE OF 130,431,000, IN VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUNDING, THE PRIMARY DRIVER HERE IN WATER IS THE PLANT IMPROVEMENTS AT 78.64 MILLION. AND QUITE A BIT OF THAT IS RAY ROBERTS. SO WE'VE TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT THE RAY ROBERTS TREATMENT PLANT AND SOME OF THE WAYS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO LEVERAGE SOME TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD ASSISTANCE WITH COMPLETING THAT PROJECT, WATER THEN HAS REPLACEMENT LINES AT 21.73 MILLION, FIRE HYDRANTS AND METERS. AND THEY ARE ANTICIPATING IMPACT FEES TO OFFSET ABOUT $1 MILLION IN WHAT WE WOULD PLAN TO ISSUE IN DEBT SERVICE. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE IMPACT FEES ALREADY BEING USED. SO THERE ARE PROJECTS YOU'LL SEE WHEN YOU GET THE CIP ON THE 31ST THAT INCLUDE IMPACT FEES THAT WILL BE A GREATER TOTAL THAN THAT $1 MILLION. BUT I PUT THOSE ALL TOGETHER IN THIS PREVIOUSLY APPROPRIATED AT 68.4 MILLION. 
          OKAY. MOVING ON TO WASTEWATER NEW CAPITAL APPROPRIATIONS 100.47 MILLION. WE'RE PROJECTING DEBT ISSUANCE OF 99.25 MILLION WITH A TRANSFER OF 1.22 MILLION FROM OPERATING, PRIMARY 
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HIGHLIGHTS HERE ARE LIFT STATION IMPROVEMENTS. AND I'VE LISTED FOR YOU WHICH LIFT STATIONS WE HAVE IN THE PLAN, WE DO HAVE AN IMPACT FEE OFFSET HERE AS WELL. AND THAT'S PRIMARILY GOING TO BE USED FOR THE PECAN CREEK WATER RECLAMATION PLANT EXPANSION. AND THEY HAVE PREVIOUSLY APPROPRIATED 70.1 MILLION. OKAY SOLID WASTE, NEW CAPITAL AT 12.99 MILLION A CO ISSUANCE AT 11.12 MILLION AND A TRANSFER OF 1.87 FROM OPERATING HIGHLIGHTS AND SOLID WASTE ARE STRUCTURAL IMPROVEMENTS AT 3.19 MILLION CELL FIVE AND SIX, CONSTRUCTION AT 4 MILLION, AND THEN NEW VEHICLE ADDITIONS AND REPLACEMENTS AT 5.8 MILLION. THIS FUND HAS PREVIOUSLY APPROPRIATED 31.8 MILLION. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE MAJOR FUNDS SEEING NONE. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE 2019 BOND ELECTION PROGRAM. SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE IS THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATES FOR THIS PROGRAM. AND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY ISSUED. SO THAT'S IN THE PRIOR ISSUE COLUMN. THERE WITH A 202 MILLION. AND THEN YOU SEE WHAT WE PLAN TO ISSUE IN 2425. THAT'S THE 18.9 THAT I HAD JUST MENTIONED, FOR A TOTAL OF 220 900. AND NOW I'M GOING TO TURN OVER TO CAPITAL PROJECTS, TO SETH GARCIA TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS. WE WILL BE ISSUING FOR THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM. AND WHY THAT HAS BECOME NECESSARY AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AWESOME. GOOD MORNING OR GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. SETH GARCIA, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS, SO QUICKLY, I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREET PROGRAM THAT'S INVOLVED WITH PROPOSITION ONE. SO QUICK LITTLE HIGHLIGHT OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PROGRAM. SO OF COURSE IT WAS $70 MILLION. WE'VE GOT THREE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY GOING THAT SOUTHEASTERN PACKAGE B, WHICH HURRAH, WE'RE ABOUT TO COMPLETE THIS MONTH. HOPEFULLY THE END OF THE YEAR. WE'VE GOT NEIGHBORHOOD ONE B IN DESIGN AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TWO AND SIX. 
          THAT'S CURRENTLY HAS TWO GAPS IN CONSTRUCTION. WE DO HAVE TEN DESIGN BID BUILD PROJECTS. SO THAT'S OUR COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSAL PROCESS. THOSE INCLUDE MCFC AND LOFT WHICH ARE COMPLETED SOUTHEASTERN PACKAGE A WHICH IS COMPLETED NEIGHBORHOOD ONE A AND SEVEN A ARE COMPLETED. 
          NEIGHBORHOOD FOUR IS WRAPPING UP HERE SOON AND THEN WE HAVE FIVE A, SEVEN B, EIGHT A AND EIGHT B, ALL IN DESIGN. I DID ALSO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FIVE B WAS INCLUDED IN THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM. WE'VE GOT SOME SCOPE OVERLAP WITH THE OAKLAND DRAINAGE PROJECT. SO OF COURSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO IN AND RECONSTRUCT THOSE STREETS. AND THEN THE NEXT BOND PROGRAM COME IN AND RIP THEM BACK OUT TO INSTALL THE DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THAT HAS BEEN REALLOCATED OVER TO THE 2023 PROGRAM. SO QUICKLY, LOOKING AT WHAT WE'VE BEEN COMBATING WITH INFLATION AND ESCALATION NATIONALLY. SO THE ASSOCIATED GENERAL CONTRACTORS OF AMERICA COMPILED SOME GREAT DATA FROM THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS THAT SHOWS REALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN GOING UP AGAINST. SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS CHART, WE HAVE THE CHANGES IN PPI FOR INPUTS TO CONSTRUCTION FOR HIGHWAY AND STREETS, AND THEN MORE SPECIFICALLY ENGINEERING SERVICES AS WELL. SO THESE ARE TWO MAIN MAJOR COMPONENTS OF WHAT WE USE IN THESE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. SO IN 2019 AND 2020 WE WERE TRACKING ABOUT 3 TO 4. AS WE MOVED INTO 2021, IT JUMPED A STAGGERING OVER 20, OVER 13% IN 22, 7% IN 2023. AND THEN THANK THE LORD. 
          WE'VE BEEN RELATIVELY FLAT HERE IN 2024. SO LOOKING LOCALLY, TEXDOT PUTS OUT THE HIGHWAY COST INDEX REPORT. SO THIS IS USING A 2012 BASE. THIS INFORMATION WAS PUT OUT IN APRIL OF 24. I DID ADD THE RED LINE THERE. SO YOU CAN SEE WHEN APPROXIMATELY COVID STARTED, THIS IS A ONE MONTH, THREE MONTH AND 12 MONTH MOVING AVERAGE FOR THIS INDEX, AS YOU CAN SEE IN TOTAL FOR TEX DOT CONSTRUCTION, WE HAVE INCREASES OF ALMOST 80. A LOT OF THAT TAKING PLACE REALLY FROM FEBRUARY OF 2022 TO TODAY OF APRIL OF. 24. LOOKING A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH, WE HAVE SUBGRADE AND BASE COURSE. SO THIS IS, MAJOR INPUTS TO ROADWAY RECONSTRUCTION. SO ANYTIME WE GO IN WE'RE RE RECONSTRUCT THE SUBGRADE AND THE BASE COURSES OF ASPHALT. SO AS YOU CAN SEE 
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AGAIN, THE RED LINE INDICATES WHEN COVID BEGAN. AND WE HAVE ROUGHLY ALMOST 100% INCREASE SINCE THE 2012 BASE AND RELATIVELY SINCE MARCH OF 22, AGAIN, 70 TO 80% INCREASE. THAT BEING SAID, AS JESSICA MENTIONED, WE ARE CURRENTLY COMING A LITTLE BIT UNDER FUNDED, DUE TO THE INFLATION ESCALATION THAT WE'VE BEEN COMBATING. SO WE'RE CURRENTLY ASKING FOR 20 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO COMPLETE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROGRAM. AND ASSOCIATED WITH THAT IS ROUGHLY 18 MILLION IN WATER AND WASTEWATER FUNDING NEEDED AS WELL. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT. OTHERWISE I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH. IS TELL ME IF THIS IS A LITTLE OFF TOPIC, BUT IT'S JUST A QUESTION THAT OCCURRED TO ME AS WE GO THROUGH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT WHAT THE TOTAL DOLLARS ARE, BUT I KNOW THAT WE'VE HEARD A LOT HERE ABOUT THE PERCEIVED BENEFITS OF THE CMR, STRUCTURE. 
          AND IF WE'RE CONVINCED OF THAT, WHY DO WE HAVE FAR MORE DESIGN BID BUILD THAN CMR? YEAH. GREAT QUESTION, SO A LOT OF IT GETS TO PACKAGE SIZE. SO A LOT OF THESE, ROADWAYS WE PUT TOGETHER AND PACKAGES THAT WE THOUGHT CMR WOULD BENEFIT THE MOST, WHETHER IT WAS SCHEDULING OPPORTUNITIES, INCREASES IN COSTS, REALLY OTHER MAJOR FACTORS THAT WERE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT, SOME OF THOSE OUTLIER PROJECTS, LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD ONE, B, NEIGHBORHOOD FOUR ARE SMALLER. 
          SO LESS THAN 10 MILLION. AND WE FELT GOING A COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSAL ROUTE, WE WOULD GET THE BENEFITS OF THE CMR BUT NOT PAY THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION PROCESS PORTION. SO WE'RE STILL TAKING ALL THE IDEAS AND THINGS THAT WERE GAINING OUT OF CMR, IMPLEMENTING THEM INTO THESE SMALLER PACKAGES WITHOUT ACTUALLY PAYING THE PRE-CON FEE TO A GENERAL CONTRACTOR ON THAT. 
          SO YOU'RE ALMOST GETTING THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. I'M GLAD I ASKED. THANKS. QUESTION REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. GO BACK TO THAT MAP, WITH THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS IN THERE. THAT RIGHT THERE. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE, LIKE, A LITTLE HIGHLIGHTER WHERE WE CAN YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE POINTING. YES. SO WE CAN PRETTY MUCH SEE WHERE, WHERE THEY ARE. 
          BUT I DO KNOW WHAT, ACID IS ALL ABOUT. BUT MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT FIVE B AND THE BOND MONEY, WE'RE HOLDING OFF ON DOING TELL ME THAT AGAIN. GO OVER THAT WITH ME AGAIN, BECAUSE MY QUESTION IS, WHY CAN'T WE USE THE MONEY FOR WHAT WE NEED NOW VERSUS HOLDING OFF TO DO IT, TO NOT HAVE TO PULL THE ROAD BACK UP AND PUT IT BACK DOWN? WHY IS IT THAT WE CAN'T DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO NOW AND COME BACK LATER AND DO THE OTHER PART? ABSOLUTELY. SO NEIGHBORHOOD VIBE CONTAINS OAKLAND STREET RUNNING THROUGH T.W, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM. WE DID A PRELIMINARY DRAINAGE STUDY THAT ACTUALLY SHOWED WE NEED AN EXCESS OF A NINE BY SEVEN BOX THAT'S GOING TO GO UNDERNEATH THE ROADWAY, SO THAT'S NINE FEET WIDE, SEVEN FEET TALL TO DO ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION LIKE THAT, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY GOING TO RIP OUT FROM CURB TO CURB, RELOCATING ALL THE WATER AND WASTEWATER JUST TO MAKE ROOM FOR THAT BOX. SO IF WE WERE TO GO IN NOW AND RECONSTRUCT THAT ROADWAY IN 2 TO 3 YEARS, WHEN WE'RE READY FOR THE DRAINAGE BOX TO GO IN, YOU WOULD PULL OUT THAT ENTIRE ROADWAY AGAIN TO PUT THE DRAINAGE BOXES UNDERNEATH. WELL, HOW CAN WE HOW CAN WE NOT CAN'T PUT THE DRAINAGE BOXES IN NOW, THOUGH. I MEAN, I'M ON KINDERGARTEN LEVEL HERE. YEAH. SO WE JUST RECEIVED THE FUNDING FROM THE 2023 BOND ISSUANCE. SO WE'RE JUST STARTING THAT DESIGN PROCESS. SO THERE'S THE DESIGN. SO WE HAVE NOT BEGUN ANY OF THE DESIGN. IT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TODAY TO BEGIN THE DESIGN PROCESS. AND SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING ROUGHLY 12 TO 18 MONTHS FOR DESIGN. WE WILL HAVE A FEW RIGHT OF WAY PARCELS TO ACQUIRE FOR EASEMENT, SO AGAIN TACK ON A FEW MORE EXTRA MONTHS FOR THAT AND THEN WE'LL BE READY TO MOVE INTO CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I'M BACK BRIEFLY. AND THEN TREVOR'S GOING TO JOIN US ON THE 2023 PROGRAM, SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THIS CHART IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM LISTED OUT BY PROJECT. 
          IN THE CURRENT YEAR, WE HAVE ISSUED 53.1 MILLION. WE ANTICIPATE ISSUING 60.1 MILLION NEXT YEAR. AND TREVOR CRANE HAS BEEN GRACIOUS TO GIVE AN UPDATE VERY QUICKLY FOR YOU ALL. SO GOOD AFTERNOON, TREVOR CRANE, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO TODAY I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF 
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GO THROUGH A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH DELIVERING SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, SO THE RYDELL MANGO QUIET ZONE PROJECT, WE DO HAVE A DESIGN CONTRACT, SIGNED KIMLEY-HORN IS OUR DESIGNER ON THAT PROJECT. SO THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD. WE'VE ALSO SECURED OUR SEYMOUR CONTRACTOR FOR THAT, WHICH IS SUNDT CONSTRUCTION, THE OAKLAND DRAINAGE PROJECT. WE HAVE OUR, OUR DESIGN CONTRACT. WESTWOOD IS UNDER CONTRACT. WE'VE AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING STARTING GOING THROUGH OUR SEYMOUR PROCESS WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO, NEXT UP ON THE LIST IS THE OUR AQUATICS PROJECT. SO WE HAVE PARK HILL ARCHITECTS UNDER CONTRACT TO DESIGN THE AQUATICS. 
          WE HAVE, STARTED OUR INTERVIEWS FOR THE SEYMOUR AND THAT IS PENDING COUNCIL APPROVAL. SO WE'LL HAVE THAT. SEYMOUR. UNDER UNDER CONTRACT SOON. NEXT UP, FIRE STATIONS FIVE AND SIX. SO, MARTINEZ ARCHITECTS IS OUR DESIGN CONSULTANT FOR BOTH OF THOSE FIRE STATIONS, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE SEYMOUR INTERVIEW PROCESS, AND WE HAVE A CONTRACT THAT'S PENDING COUNCIL APPROVAL. 
          SO THAT WILL BE COMING BEFORE YOU SOON. OUR LINDA MCNATT ANIMAL SERVICES. WE HAVE A DESIGN CONTRACT WITH QUORUM. AND THEN SAME THING WE'VE DONE OUR INTERVIEW PROCESS WITH OUR SEYMOUR'S AND THAT CONTRACT IS PENDING COUNCIL APPROVAL. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT COMING BEFORE YOU SOON. AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS OUR PECAN CREEK THREE AND FOUR, WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR DESIGN AMENDMENT FOR THAT PROJECT THAT WILL BRING THAT PROJECT FROM 90% UP TO 100, WORKING THROUGH RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. AND THEN WE'LL BE READY FOR CONSTRUCTION ON THAT. 
          SO, JUST TO SAY WE'RE MOVING REALLY QUICKLY ON THESE PROJECTS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THOSE, GETTING THOSE PROJECTS UNDERWAY AND STARTING CONSTRUCTION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO TRY TO COMBAT SOME OF THOSE INFLATION, ISSUES THAT WE'RE SEEING. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THE 2023 BOND? ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. OH REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. 
          WHERE'S FIRE STATION NUMBER FIVE. AND NUMBER SIX. SO NUMBER FIVE IS ON WINDSOR. NUMBER SIX IS THE ONE THAT WAS ON TEASLEY. IT'S BEING RELOCATED TO A TO A NEW PROPERTY OKAY. SO THAT'S THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN IT'S INCLUDED THE DESIGN OF THAT BOTH STATIONS. YES MA'AM. AND WE'RE COMPLETING THOSE I'M SORRY. WE'RE COMPLETING THE FIRE. STATION NUMBER SIX IS GOING TO BE LOCATED YET. YES, MA'AM. OKAY, THE OTHER THING. PUBLIC ART, PUBLIC SAFETY. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT? SURE. SO PUBLIC ART IS GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN EACH ONE OF THOSE PROPOSITIONS. WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT THAT WILL GO THROUGH OUR, OUR PARKS BOARD, SO WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE, THOSE PUBLIC ART PIECES ARE, YOU KNOW, REALLY BEING INCLUDED AS A PART OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY FLOW, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY BELONG. IT'S JUST NOT JUST A PIECE OF ART THAT WE'RE STICKING OUT THERE. SO AS WE START GOING THROUGH THESE DESIGN PROCESS, PART OUR PARKS TEAM WILL BE INCLUDED IN THAT. MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INCORPORATING THOSE PIECES. IT SAYS PUBLIC ART. SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY. IS THERE A BIG PUBLIC PIECE OF ART THAT'S GOING TO ACCOMPANY THIS SOUTH BRANCH NEW SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY? SURE. SO AS THE WAY THAT THAT WAS STRUCTURED WAS THAT EACH PROPOSITION HAD A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE THAT WAS INCORPORATED AS A PART OF EACH PROPOSITION. SO EACH BUILDING WILL HAVE SOME PIECE OF, OF PUBLIC ART THAT'S INCLUDED IN THOSE. DID WE, COME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LINDA BENNETT, ADOPTION CENTER WOULD NEED? WHAT ARE WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THEM AS FAR AS AS FAR AS ADDING ON FACILITIES OR IMPROVING THE FACILITIES, GETTING MORE DOG. ABSOLUTELY. SO WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE SO AS I STATED, WE HAVE OUR DESIGN ARCHITECT UNDER CONTRACT. THEY HAVE COMPLETED A PRELIMINARY SCHEMATIC, SO WE'RE WORKING WE ONCE WE GET OUR SEYMOUR ON BOARD, WE'LL START WORKING WITH THEM TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. WE ARE PROPOSING AN ADDITION AS WELL AS FULL RENOVATIONS. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PRELIMINARY DEBT RATE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. WE TALKED ABOUT IT THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, HOW THE TAX RATE IS PUT TOGETHER IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. YOU HAVE YOUR INTEREST IN SINKING PORTION. SO THAT'S WHAT PAYS YOUR DEBT SERVICE. THEN YOUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS RATE. AND TOGETHER THEY EQUAL YOUR TOTAL PROPERTY TAX RATE. WE TALKED LAST TIME THAT I WAS HERE ABOUT THE FACT THAT ANY TIME THAT WE ISSUE CO OR GEO DEBT, WE HAVE, THE POSSIBILITY OF AN IMPACT TO THE INS PORTION OF THE TAX RATE 
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AND I KNOW THAT DURING THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM DISCUSSIONS, THIS WAS DISCUSSED AT LENGTH, THAT WHEN WE GO OUT AND APPROVE $300 MILLION OR SO IN IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR COMMUNITY, THERE IS UNFORTUNATELY SOME COST THAT ENDS UP PASSED ON. HOWEVER, THERE'S ALSO TREMENDOUS BENEFIT WHEN WE HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY SERVICES, BUILT HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO OUR DEBT RATE BREAKDOWN, THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT I'VE SHOWN YOU BEFORE, THE 2019 BOND ELECTION, ABOUT $0.06 23 AT 19, COS AT 20. SO FOUR AND A HALF CENTS IN TOTAL INCREASE IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THIS PORTION OF THE TAX RATE GOING INTO THIS NEXT YEAR. AND THE TOTAL TAX RATE, AS ANOTHER REMINDER, ONE PENNY IS $1.7 MILLION TO THE GENERAL FUN. SO THIS IS A CHART THAT YOU ALL MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE, SOMETHING SIMILAR WAS SHOWN DURING ALL THE DISCUSSIONS AS YOU LED UP TO THE 2023 ELECTION. SO REALLY WHAT THIS IS SHOWING US IS THAT THE DEBT RATE IN 2025, 24, 25 IS GOING TO BE ABOUT THAT $0.25, AND THAT'S THAT INCREASE OF 4.5 CENTS THAT I JUST MENTIONED. AND THE TWO FURTHEST COLUMNS HERE JUST GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF KIND OF WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED AT THE TIME. SO WHAT I WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO HERE IS THAT THE ESTIMATES THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD BY YOUR TEAM AT THAT TIME WERE FANTASTIC. THIS IS WE ARE RUNNING IN REALITY, VERY CLOSE TO WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE. 
          SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS, AND WE ARE SEEING CHANGES IN THE ASSESSED VALUATIONS. SO EACH TIME THAT WE START TO SEE THOSE VALUES START TO COME DOWN, IT'S GOING TO PUT MORE PRESSURE ON THE RATES, AND WHEN THOSE VALUES GO WAY UP AND DO WONDERFUL THINGS LIKE THEY DID IN, YOU KNOW, THAT 2023 YEAR IN PARTICULAR, YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT RATE GOES DOWN. SO IT'S AN INVERSE RELATIONSHIP. BUT WHAT DOES IT ACTUALLY MEAN TO YOUR BILL. WELL I WANT YOU TO KEEP A COUPLE OF THINGS IN MIND IN LOOKING AT THIS SLIDE IN PARTICULAR. THIS IS A POINT IN TIME. THIS IS PRELIMINARY. THE CERTIFIED VALUATIONS ARE NOT IN YET. THESE ARE OUR INTERNAL ESTIMATES AS TO WHERE WE THINK WE'LL BE BASED ON THE DATA THAT WE HAVE TODAY. SO WHEN THOSE CERTIFIED VALUES COME IN LATER IN THE MONTH WE MAY SEE SOME CHANGES. BUT WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THE AVERAGE VALUE OF A HOME HERE IN OUR AREA IN 2024 WAS ABOUT 344,000 FOR ASSESSED VALUATION, NOT NOT YOUR MARKET RATE, BUT YOUR ASSESSED VALUATION GOING UP TO ABOUT 378,000 IN 2025. THAT'S ABOUT A 10% INCREASE IN THE VALUE OF YOUR HOME. SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WELL AS WE KNOW, EVERYTHING IS GETTING MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE. BUT AS THE VALUE OF YOUR HOME CONTINUES TO GROW, THAT HELPS TO GROW YOUR OWN PERSONAL NET WORTH. SO IT'S AGAIN ANOTHER INVERSE RELATIONSHIP, THE INS RATE IN 24 WAS $0.20, IN 25 IT WILL BE $0.25. THE AVERAGE TAX BILL WITH A 20 CENT RATE WAS ABOUT $709. AND IN 25 IT WILL BE ABOUT 950. NOW, KEEP IN MIND YOUR VALUE WENT UP. THE RATE ALSO INCREASED. BUT DON'T FORGET THAT 10% INCREASE IN THE VALUE OF YOUR HOME, SO IT'S A TOTAL CHANGE ANNUALLY OF ABOUT $241 OF THAT. THE INCREASE JUST FROM YOUR VALUE OF YOUR HOME INCREASING. IF THIS IS THE VALUE OF OUR MAKE BELIEVE AVERAGE HOME IS ABOUT $75.24. THE IMPACT FROM THE DEBT INCREASING IS ABOUT $166. AND THAT LOOKS SHOCKING, RIGHT? $166. BUT IT'S $166 A YEAR. SO IT'S ABOUT 13 BUCKS A MONTH. AND THE BENEFIT TO THE TAXPAYER IS ALL OF THE PROGRAMS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, IT'S BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY BEFORE WE DO WORK ON SOME OF THE PORTIONS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE AND THEN RELAY THE STREETS. AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO RELAY THE WATER LINES AND THE WASTEWATER LINES, SO JUST THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE SUMMER. OUR CALENDAR. SO I AM HERE TODAY. I WILL BE BACK NEXT WEEK, WE'LL TALK SOME MORE AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THOSE PRELIMINARY RATES OR THE ASSESSED TRY AGAIN. THE CERTIFIED RATES THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT THE 23RD, THEN WE WILL BE SUBMITTING TO YOU THE CIP AND THE PROPOSED BUDGET ON THE 31ST OF JULY, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A REALLY FUN SATURDAY TOGETHER ON AUGUST 10TH AND TALK EVERYTHING. BUDGET. NO ONE LOOKS THRILLED. THANK YOU. AND THEN WE WILL MOVE 
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THROUGH THE REST OF THE SUMMER, CONCLUDING WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET AND THE TAX RATE AND THE CIP IN SEPTEMBER. SO THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE FOR YOU TODAY. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY REPRESENTATIVE? DISTRICT THREE. YEAH, MORE MORE OF JUST A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION. WE I YOU'RE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, A STRONG CASE FOR WHY ALL THE THINGS WE'RE DOING ARE NEEDED, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO DISAGREE WITH ANY OF THAT. IT'S JUST WHEN WE COMMUNICATE WITH THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE RATES, I JUST PERSONALLY UNHAPPY WITH, THE IMPLICATION THAT THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE VALUE OF YOUR HOME WENT UP. I MEAN, THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY HAVE THE NO NEW TAXES RATE, WHICH, WHEN WE COULD AFFORD TO DO IT, WE DID. BUT IT'S TO COMMUNICATE THAT THAT WE SET THE RATE AFTER WE KNOW THE VALUES. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE MAKING A CONSCIOUS DECISION IF WE DO TO RAISE TAXES BY THAT MUCH, IT'S ABOUT A THIRD ON ALL, AND I JUST, I IT JUST IRKS ME NOT PERSONALLY DIRECTED AT YOU. IT'S A CONSTANT HABIT. I HEAR AND I'VE HEARD FOR DECADES WHER, PARTICULARLY ELECTED OFFICIALS ACT LIKE NOTHING WE COULD DO ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOUR VALUES WENT UP. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU DO TRY TO PUT SOME MEANING TO THAT, THAT YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS WEALTH, THAT YOU HAVE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EFFECTIVELY TAXING THAT. I THINK THE WAY MANY PEOPLE FEEL IS THAT DOESN'T AFFECT MY ABILITY TO PAY, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE, MY BUT INCOME, YOU KNOW, IS KIND OF THAT. SO I'M, I'M, SO FAR LISTENING SO FAR ON BOARD. I'LL JUST SAY WE'RE PROPOSING ABOUT A THIRD INCREASE BECAUSE THERE'S COMMITMENTS THAT THE VOTERS HAVE ASKED US TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, AND JUST TO KEEP THE THING RUNNING UNDER INFLATION. BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND I WANT TO JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO CLARIFY THAT TEXAS STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT INNS RATE TO BE SET AT THE RATE OF THE DEBT ISSUED. SO WE HAVE A VOTER APPROVED BOND PACKAGE, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY ABILITY TO MAKE CHANGES TO WHAT THAT RATE NEEDS TO BE, TRUTH AND TAXATION THAT WE SUBMIT TO THE COUNTY THEN GENERATES WHAT THAT PORTION OF THE RATE IS. THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE PORTION OF THE RATE IS REALLY THE RATE THAT APPLIES TO SENATE BILL TWO. AND SENATE BILL THREE, WHICHEVER ONE IT WAS IN 2019. IT'S THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS PORTION. AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LOT ABOUT THAT ON THE 10TH. 
          IT'LL BE FUN. YOU PROMISED I DID. I PROMISED I WANT TO THINK OF SOMETHING FUN. THANK YOU. OH, THAT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. I JUST REALLY WOULD BE REMISS IF I WOULDN'T, JUST NOTE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE A COMMUNITY OF RENTERS, AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOUR LANDLORD RAISES YOUR RENT, THAT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON WHAT WE JUST HEARD HERE. AND SO THAT LANDLORD HAS A PREROGATIVE TO RAISE THE RENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KEEP THEIR, THEIR PROFIT, YOU KNOW, AT THE LEVEL THAT THEY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH. AND THAT'S A PREROGATIVE OF THEIRS. BUT BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITY IS SUCH A HIGH LEVEL RENTAL COMMUNITY, AND YOU MENTIONED THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE NUMBERS REFLECT YOUR, YOU KNOW, HIGHER LEVEL OF WEALTH. I THINK THOSE WEREN'T YOUR EXACT WORDS. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I HEARD. JUST THE AVERAGE VALUE OF JUST THE AVERAGE VALUE, YOU KNOW, AND YOU THAT'S A THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, A WEALTH GAP THING FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS, IN THIS SOCIETY. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THAT FACT THAT BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITY IS A HIGH RENT RENTAL COMMUNITY, THOSE NUMBERS DON'T MEAN A LOT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. THE ONLY THING THAT IT MEANS IS THAT THEIR RENT IS GOING TO GO UP IN SOME KIND OF WAY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF A COMMENT SHOULD BE MADE, BUT I THOUGHT I'D JUST KIND OF LAY THAT OUT THERE, JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. THAT TAKES US TO 
          [B. Receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding the Water and Wastewater Impact Fee Study Update.
    [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 1 hour]]
ITEM B, ID 24020. RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE STUDY UPDATE. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M KYLE PEDIGO, PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DIVISION MANAGER FOR WATER UTILITIES, AND I'M HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE OUR IMPACT FEE UPDATE, MOST OF THIS SHOULD BE FAMILIAR. THIS INFORMATION, FAMILIAR FROM 
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OUR ONE ON ONE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD EARLIER THIS YEAR. SO I'LL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT HASN'T CHANGED. AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS THE NEW CALCULATED FEES AT THE END. SO FOR THE IMPACT FEE CALCULATION PROCESS, WE START WITH OUR LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS AND OUR GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS, WE MOVE ON TO CALCULATING OUR SERVICE UNITS. WE COMPILE OUR IMPACT FEE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, WE COMPARE OUR SERVICE AREAS AND THEN WE FINISH UP WITH THE IMPACT FEE CALCULATION. THIS IS OUR PHASING AND GROWTH PROJECTION. THIS IS TAKEN FROM THE DENTON 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THIS SHOULD BE FAMILIAR. THIS IS THE SAME PROJECTION THAT WE USED IN THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLANNING EFFORT. WHAT THIS SHOWS IS WE'RE ANTICIPATING AN 8.1% GROWTH IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. ANNUAL POPULATION GROWTH TAPERING OFF TO A 3.5% POPULATION GROWTH IN THE 5 TO 10 YEAR WINDOW. SO NEXT WE MOVE ON TO OUR SERVICE UNITS. 
          SO WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICE UNITS ARE CALCULATED OFF OF THE METER. THE WATER METER SIZE FOR A BUILDING. SO FOR OUR BASE UNIT WE USE OUR SMALLEST WATER METER ALLOWED IN THE CITY, WHICH IS OUR 5/8 BY THREE QUARTER INCH METER, WHICH IS ENOUGH TO SERVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, AND THAT'S HOW WE ESTABLISH OUR SINGLE FAMILY EQUIVALENCY, WHICH IS THE MULTIPLIER FOR THE LARGER METERS FOR COMPARISON, A NEW RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT MAY REQUIRE A TWO INCH METER. A TWO INCH METER CAN HANDLE THE EQUIVALENT FLOW OF EIGHT FIVE INCH, 5/8 BY THREE QUARTERS METERS, WHICH MEANS THAT A NEW COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EIGHT TIMES THE IMPACT FEE OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THIS IS A MAP OF OUR CIP THAT WE ASSEMBLED FOR THE WATER IMPACT FEE CALCULATION. ALL THE PROJECTS IN BLUE HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED BUT STILL HAVE CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE GROWTH, SO THEY ARE PARTIALLY, ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT FEE COLLECTION. ALL THE PROJECTS IN RED ARE PLANNED TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN THE TEN YEAR WINDOW, AND ALL OF THOSE ARE 100% ELIGIBLE. THE 100% OF THE COST OF THOSE PROJECTS IS ELIGIBLE FOR, IMPACT FEE COLLECTION. THE WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN LOOKS SIMILAR WITH ALL OF THE EXISTING PROJECTS, DETAILED IN GREEN, WITH THE NEW PROJECTS, THE NEWLY CONSTRUCTED PROJECTS DETAILED IN RED. SO THIS IS OUR EXISTING SERVICE AREA MAP OVERLAID WITH OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR WATER. SO WITH THIS REVISION, WE ARE NOT PLANNING ANY REVISIONS TO THE SERVICE AREAS FOR WATER. WE HAVE THREE SERVICE AREAS, SIGNIFIED AS ONE A, WHICH IS THE CENTRAL DOWNTOWN PORTION, ONE B, WHICH IS THAT GROWTH LOOP AROUND THE CENTER OF TOWN. AND TWO, WHICH IS THE WESTERN AND SOUTHERN PORTION OF TOWN, THIS IS ALL SERVED BY THE EXISTING RAY ROBERTS, WATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH IS ANOTHER PRIMARY DRIVER OF THE COST FOR THE IMPACT FEES. THIS IS OUR EXISTING WASTEWATER SERVICE AREA. CURRENTLY, WE HAVE A SINGLE SERVICE AREA FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. THAT'S MAKES THAT MADE SENSE IN PREVIOUS VERSIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE A ONLY HAVE A SINGLE WATER RECLAMATION PLANT THAT, TO SERVE THAT ENTIRE AREA. SO THE BENEFIT OF THAT AT THE TIME WAS ANY IMPACT FEE COLLECTED ANYWHERE IN THAT AREA CAN BE SPENT ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE AREA, WHICH MEANS THAT THAT THE PRIMARY COST, THE PRIMARY FINANCIAL DRIVER FOR THE IMPACT FEES, WE COULD WE COULD BRING ALL THAT TO BEAR ON THE, PECAN CREEK WATER RECLAMATION PLANT HERE. OUR PROPOSED SERVICE AREAS. WITH THIS, WITH THIS UPDATE, WITH THE WASTEWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WE SHOW THE NEED FOR TWO ADDITIONAL WATER RECLAMATION PLANTS TO SERVE THE GROWTH IN THESE AREAS. 
          CURRENTLY, THE WAY THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE CITY, WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL THREE DIFFERENT DRAINAGE BASINS. WE HAVE THE CLEAR CREEK, DRAINAGE BASIN IN THE NORTH, PECAN CREEK IN THE CENTER, AND HICKORY CREEK ALONG THE SOUTHERN EDGE. AND WHAT THAT ALLOWS, WHAT FOLLOWING THE DRAINAGE BASIN ALLOWS US TO DO WITH WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE IS USE GRAVITY TO TAKE ALL OF TO COLLECT ALL THE WASTEWATER AND BRING IT TO THE PLANTS. SO WITH THESE TWO NEW, WATER RECLAMATION PLANTS, IT TO US, IT MAKES SENSE TO DIVIDE THE IMPACT FEES SO THAT ALL OF THE IMPACT FEES COLLECTED IN THE HICKORY CREEK BASIN ARE APPLIED TO THE HICKORY CREEK INFRASTRUCTURE AND WATER RECLAMATION PLANT. HERE'S A FURTHER OVERVIEW OF THAT MAP SHOWING THE COLLECTION SYSTEM, 
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IN RED AND GREEN. AND THAT SHOWS THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE BASINS. SO OUR NEXT STEP IS TO ESTIMATE THE MAXIMUM ASSESSABLE IMPACT FEE. SO TO DO THAT WE TAKE OUR TEN YEAR RECOVERABLE COST FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. AND WE DIVIDE THAT BY OUR TEN YEAR SERVICE UNIT PROJECTIONS. SO THE AMOUNT OF UNIT ADDITIONAL SERVICE UNITS THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADD OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS FOR WATER, OUR IMPACT, OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THE ESTIMATED COST OF THAT IS 577 MILLION. WASTEWATER IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER DUE TO THE INCLUSION OF THOSE TWO NEW WATER RECLAMATION PLANTS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO SERVE THE ENTIRE AREA, WE DIVIDE THOSE BY A SIMILAR NUMBER OF SERVICE UNITS TO GET OUR MAXIMUM ASSESSABLE IMPACT FEE FOR WATER AS 10,009, 36, AND FOR WASTEWATER OF 14,055. SO WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT FOR WATER, THE SERVICE UNIT OR SERVICE AREA ONE A WILL SEE A REDUCTION IN THE ASSESSABLE IMPACT FEE DUE TO THE, EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE WE DON'T HAVE THE NEED TO INSTALL A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWTH IN THAT AREA. SERVICE AREA ONE, B AND TWO WILL BOTH SEE A, INCREASE IN THEIR ASSESSABLE IMPACT FEES FOR WASTEWATER. WE HAD AGAIN PREVIOUSLY THE ONE SERVICE UNIT, ALL THREE AREAS WILL SEE A REDUCTION. BUT WITH THE PECAN CREEK BASIN BEING THE HAVING THE MOST SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY EXISTING, THE IMPACT FEE FOR THAT AREA IS LOWER THAN THE REST. NOW WE DID REVIEW THIS LAST WEEK WITH BOTH HUNTER AND COLE DEVELOPMENTS JUST TO KEEP OUR PARTNERS APPRAISED OF THE, WHAT THIS WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE LOOKING LIKE AND TO RECEIVE BUY IN. WE RECEIVED A BUNCH OF COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS THAT WERE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION FOR OUR UPDATE. FOR NEXT STEPS, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS TO PUBLIC UTILITY BOARD, IN AUGUST, WE'RE GOING TO ADVERTISE THIS FOR A CITY PUBLIC HEARING IN MID SEPTEMBER. WE'LL BRING THIS TO OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND AT LATE SEPTEMBER. AND THAT IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING PLUS ONE. SO WE'RE WORKING ON ADDING A MEMBER FROM THE ETJ. WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING TO BE MID-OCTOBER AND THE CITY COUNCIL ORDINANCE UPDATE TO BE TO FOLLOW UP IN, NOVEMBER. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. SEEING THAT IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO US FOR PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL OCTOBER, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO, IN A WORK SESSION BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, LOOK HOLISTICALLY AT ALL THE DIFFERENT IMPACT FEES, THE PARKS IMPACT FEE, THE ROADS IMPACT FEE, WATER AND WASTEWATER, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF, FORM A HOLISTIC POINT OF VIEW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO THE FEE PAYER AND WHETHER IT NEEDS TO COME MORE FROM ONE SOURCE OR THE OTHER. I JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DOING IT. THE SALAMI METHOD IS JUST NOT THE SMARTEST WAY WE COULD DO IT. WE CAN PUT THOSE TOGETHER, I GUESS. JUST CAN WE HAVE ALL THE IMPACT FEES, AND HAVE IT FOR THEM AT WE CAN SEND IT OUT IN ADVANCE. 
          HERE'S WHAT THE FEE IS FOR PARK DEVELOPMENT. PARKLAND. YOU KNOW WHAT THE FEE IS. AND WE CAN PUT PROPOSED FEES FOR ROADWAY IMPACT FEES. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY ARE. YEAH, I'D BE INTERESTED IN. YOU KNOW, I GUESS I CAN DO THE ARITHMETIC THAT SEEING IT ALL TOGETHER, WE COULD SEE WHAT THE COMBINED RECOMMENDATION IS AS WELL. YOU KNOW, FROM STAFF. SO I MEAN, THIS IS ROADWAY IMPACT FEES. OTHERS ARE SET SOME. I'M SORRY, THIS IS WHITE WATER WASTEWATER. 
          EXCUSE ME. ROADWAY IMPACT FEES ARE COMING. YES, WE CAN PUT THOSE IN THERE. YOU UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION? YEAH, WE'LL PUT IT TOGETHER. THANKS A LOT. EXCUSE ME. OKAY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE IN DISTRICT FIVE, QUESTION ABOUT THE IMPACT FEES, KYLE, REMIND ME. CAN IMPACT FEES BE USED TO PURCHASE LAND, YES, THEY CAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THE PROPOSED SITE THAT WE HAVE FOR CLEAR CREEK. WE ALREADY PURCHASED THAT LAND. YES, WE PURCHASED THAT 20 YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE. OKAY DO WE ALREADY HAVE THE LAND FOR. WAS IT A HICKORY CREEK, TOO? WE. YES, WE JUST. I BELIEVE WE BROUGHT THE, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S CLOSED. IT'S GOING TO CLOSE IN 2025, BUT WE HAVE 
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RECEIVED APPROVAL TO CLOSE ON THAT IN 2025. FOR THE REMAINDER, WE HAVE A PORTION OF IT. IT'S THE REMAINDER THAT WE'RE GOING TO COMPLETE IN 2025. I REMEMBER DISCUSSING THAT. FORGIVE ME FOR NOT REMEMBERING EXACTLY. SO ALL THIS IMPACT FEES WILL ESSENTIALLY GO TO 100% INFRASTRUCTURE. THEN THAT WILL MOSTLY TO INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE CERTAIN AREAS THERE WILL BE I MEAN, ASSOCIATED WITH THAT INFRASTRUCTURE FOR SOME OF THE, WASTEWATER INTERCEPTORS. WE'LL HAVE TO ACQUIRE EASEMENT. SO SOME OF IT WILL BE FOR EASEMENT. BUT THE MAJORITY FOR THE MAJORITY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, KYLE. YES ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. IT TAKES US TO ITEM C WHICH IS ID 241316. RECEIVE A REPORT HOLE DISCUSSION 
          [C. Receive a report, hold a discussion regarding Rayzor Ranch Build-Out & Public Improvement District. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]
REGARDING RAZOR RANCH BUILDOUT AND PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. WE'RE GOING TO PASS OUT REALLY QUICKLY THE SITE PLANS BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO PASS OUT REAL QUICKLY. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. YES THAT'S FINE. ARE YOU. SO OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M CHRISTINE TAYLOR, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. AND TOPIC THREE. TODAY IS GOING TO BE THE RAZOR RANCH BUILDOUT VISION. AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. SO OUR OBJECTIVE TODAY IS TO LOOK AT WHAT THE GOAL OF FINAL BUILDOUT IS. AND TALK ABOUT THE PID A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR EVERYONE IS IT IS A 410 ACRE MIXED DEVELOPMENT LOCATED ON BOTH SIDES OF U.S. HIGHWAY THREE, 80 UNIVERSITY DRIVE AND BETWEEN I-35 AND BONNIE BRAE. THERE ARE TWO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS IN PLACE. THERE IS A SALES TAX COST SHARE FOR BOTH SIDES. THE MARKETPLACE SIDE, WHICH IS THE NORTHERN SIDE, AND THEN THE TOWN CENTER SIDE, WHICH IS PHASE TWO, MARKETPLACE STARTED IN 2012. IT EXPIRES IN 2032. WE ARE IN YEAR 13 OF THAT AGREEMENT. AND IT'S GENERATED THAT PAYOUT ON INCENTIVES FOR APPROXIMATELY 14 MILLION, PHASE TWO TOWN CENTER, STARTED IN 2017, EXPIRES IN 2043, 2043 AND HAS GENERATED APPROXIMATELY 4.2 MILLION TO DATE. AND THE INCENTIVE FOR THOSE SALES TAX REBATES ARE CAPPED AT 68 MILLION. THIS PROJECT HAS A VERY LONG HISTORY, SO IN 2014, THE TWO PRIMARY DEVELOPERS WERE ALLEGIANT HILLVIEW AND REDD DEVELOPMENT. THEY PETITIONED THE CITY AT THAT POINT TO FORM THE RAZOR RANCH PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. SEVERAL DOCUMENTS AND STEPS WERE TAKEN TOWARDS THE CREATION OF THAT DISTRICT, A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING ON WHICH PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE INCLUDED TOOK PLACE. WE EXECUTED. WE DID THE FIRST STEP ON IT, ON CREATING A RESOLUTION, BUT ULTIMATELY IT DID NOT GET CREATED. IN 2019, REDD DEVELOPMENT SOLD THEIR INTEREST TO RAZOR RANCH TO FIDELIS REALTY PARTNERS. THE LAST TIME YOU HEARD ABOUT THIS TOPIC WAS IN 2019. A WORK SESSION WAS HELD THAT SAME YEAR, AND COUNCIL PROVIDED DIRECTION ON THE PID THAT THEY WEREN'T READY TO MOVE FORWARD AT THAT TIME. DEPOSIT TO GIVE THE NEW DEVELOPER TIME TO REALLY COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THEIR FINAL GOALS FOR FINAL BUILDOUT WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO IN 2024 NOW FIDELIS HAS APPROACHED THE CITY TO DISCUSS WHAT THAT FINAL BUILDOUT WILL LOOK AT AND A REQUEST TO RESTART THE PROCESS TO INITIATE A RAZOR RANCH PID. 
          SO THE GOALS THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THAT CITY MANAGEMENT MEETING, AND ONE THAT'S BEEN IMPORTANT TO COUNCIL FOR SEVERAL, SEVERAL YEARS, IS THE DEVELOPERS INTEND TO COMPLETE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE TOWN CENTER BOULEVARD PROMENADE. THAT WOULD BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE EMBASSY. 
          THE ACCESS IS OFF 380, WHERE THERE IS A LIGHT AND IT WOULD BE COMPLETED ALL THE WAY TO THE EMBASSY SUITES MAIN INTEREST. THE SECOND ONE IS TO IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY IN THE TOWN CENTER. THE EMBASSY SUITES AND CONVENTION CENTER, THE RETAIL RESTAURANTS, THE PARK JUST TRYING TO IN GENERAL IMPROVE MOBILITY IN THE AREA SO THAT GUESTS STAYING AT THE HOTELS, EATING, SHOPPING HAVE AN EASIER WAY TO BE MOBILE THROUGH THE SITE. AND THEN THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUTURE, FINAL BUILD OUT GOALS, WHICH INCLUDE THE OPPORTUNITY 
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FOR PUBLIC ART. WE TALKED ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT LOCATED WITHIN THAT TOWN CENTER PROMENADE, JUST PROMENADE JUST ADJACENT TO THE ALAMO DRAFTHOUSE. AND THEN ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR INTERNAL SIGNAGE TO HELP OUR GUESTS NAVIGATE WHERE SHOPPING OR RETAIL MIGHT BE, WHERE ANY ENTERTAINMENT AREAS MIGHT BE WITHIN THE DISTRICT. AND THEN LOOKING AT IS THERE WAYFINDING SIGNS, SOMETHING THAT SHOWS YOU FROM THE HIGHWAY WHAT RAZOR RANCH IS. SO THAT FIRST GOAL WE'RE GOING TO TALK THROUGH IS THE PHASES FOR THE TOWN CENTER PROMENADE. THE FIRST SEGMENT IS ALREADY COMPLETED. IT'S THAT FIRST PORTION WHEN YOU TURN OFF OF 380 AND TURN IN, I'M SORRY, UNIVERSITY DRIVE AND TURN IN AS YOU'RE APPROACHING THE RETAIL AREA, WHICH WILL BE THE FUTURE TARGET SITE AND DICK'S SPORTING GOODS, THIS IS A VIEW FROM GOOGLE MAPS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO YOU CAN SEE TO THE VERY BACK AS YOU ENTER. THAT WILL BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE EMBASSY SUITES. THE SECOND SEGMENT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, ALONG WITH THE RETAIL COMPONENT. 
          IT IS LOCATED BETWEEN TARGET AND DICK'S, AND THIS PORTION WILL HAVE THE ENHANCED MOBILITY. 
          THERE IS A 12 FOOT SHARED PATH FOR BIKE AND WALKERS TO SHARE THROUGH THAT AREA. HERE'S SOME GRAPHICS OF WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE. SEGMENT THREE WILL BE LOCATED DIRECTLY BEHIND THE RETAIL AREA. IT IS CURRENTLY IN THE PERMITTING PHASE WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. THIS WILL BE LOCATED BETWEEN BETWEEN TWO MULTIFAMILY SECTIONS. THIS ALSO HAS INCREASED MOBILITY FEATURES. 
          THERE WILL BE BIKE LANES, SIDEWALKS ALONG BOTH SIDES OF THE MULTIFAMILY AND THEN IMPROVED BIKE LANES FOR MOBILIT. HERE'S ANOTHER RENDERING OF WHAT THAT MULTIFAMILY WILL LOOK LIKE AND A PEEK AT WHAT THE MOBILITY. AND THEN THE FINAL SEGMENT FOR THAT TOWN CENTER PROMENADE IS SEGMENT FOUR, WHICH IS COMPLETE AND ALREADY OPEN. IT'S THE PORTION THAT GOES DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF ALAMO DRAFTHOUSE AND WILL END AT THE EMBASSY SUITES. THAT'S WHAT IT CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE. SO THE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH FIDELIS ARE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THERE IS SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT TO DO PUBLIC ART. SO WE'RE IN DISCUSSIONS ON THE FIRST TWO ARE FOR SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING A FINAL BUILD OUT, AND THEN THEY HAVE A FUTURE OPPORTUNITY AS WE ADVANCE THROUGH THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PROCESS TO DO PUBLIC ART WITHIN RAYZOR RANCH. AND THE SECOND ONE, BOTH OF THESE ARE JUST INSPIRATIONS OF WHAT COULD BE NO. NO ART PIECE HAS BEEN SELECTED. AND THEN THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT SOME CREATIVE SIGNAGE TO HELP OUR VISITORS AND OUR RESIDENTS NAVIGATE THROUGH THE PROPERTY, AND SOMETHING THAT KIND OF CATCHES THE EYE AGAIN FROM 35 TO DRAW PEOPLE INTO THE RAZOR DEVELOPMENT. SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR MAIN GOALS OF THEIR VISION OF WHAT FINAL BUILD OUT WILL LOOK LIKE. THEY ARE VERY CLOSE. IT IS VERY CLOSE TO FINAL BUILD OUT. SO LEADING US INTO THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT CONVERSATION. SO THEY'RE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL TO FUND PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT BENEFIT A DEFINED AREA. IT'S ALLOWABLE UNDER CHAPTER 372 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE PID ARE ASSESSED A FEE FOR THE BENEFITS THEY RECEIVED. SO THE PRIMARY BENEFITS OF THE PID ARE POTENTIAL TO INCREASE THE QUALITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT, ALLOCATE COST BASED ON THE BENEFITS RECEIVED, AND THE DEVELOPERS CAN USE TAX EXEMPT DEBT TO BE REIMBURSED THROUGH THE ASSESSMENT TO PAY FOR ANY PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. SO RECAPPING THAT BACKGROUND SECTION. IN 2024, FIDELIS APPROACHED THE CITY TO DISCUSS THE FINAL BUILDOUT GOALS AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESTART THE PROCESS. SO MUCH HAS HAPPENED SINCE 2014, 2016, 2019 WHEN WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS SO SEVERAL OF THE AGREEMENTS ARE EXPIRED. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO RESTART THE PROCESS, WHICH WE ESTIMATE TO BE A 6 TO 9 MONTH PROCESS. AND PROVIDE UPDATES TO COUNCIL AS IT PROGRESSES AND BRING BACK ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION. THAT WOULD BE A SERVICE PLAN, ASSESSMENT PLAN AND AGREEMENTS. SO THE IN 2016, 2019 WHEN THEY WORKED ON THIS, THERE WAS AN INTERNAL TEAM WITH AN ENGINEERING REPRESENTATIVE, A CITY ATTORNEY REPRESENTATIVE, A FINANCE REPRESENTATIVE. BOND COUNSEL WAS BROUGHT IN. SO WE WERE GOING TO RESTART THAT ENTIRE PROCESS, REBUILD A TEAM AND GO THROUGH IT FROM THE BEGINNING. OKAY, THAT IS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. AND WE DO HAVE AMY BESSETTE HERE FROM 97 LAND, WHO IS REPRESENTING FIDELIS. AND THEN WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS FROM FIDELIS WHO CAN ANSWER IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUILDOUT. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SEEING SEEING NONE. 
          REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT THREE. YEAH, I'M A LITTLE CURIOUS ABOUT THE WALKABILITY COMPONENTS. I 
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MEAN, FRANKLY, ON A DAY LIKE TODAY, IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE ANYONE BEING OUTSIDE LONGER THAN THEY HAVE TO BE. BUT YOU KNOW WHERE IS THE INPUT COMING FROM? IS IT COMING FROM I MEAN, I'M FOR WALKABILITY GENERALLY. AND, YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL. BUT, IN TERMS OF WHETHER THESE ARE WALKABLE DESTINATIONS, IS THAT COMING FROM EMBASSY SUITES IS COMING FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE APARTMENTS. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LIKE VERSUS HAVING JUST JUST PLAIN MORE GREEN SPACE RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN IMPERVIOUS CONCRETE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, HEIGHTENS THE HEAT IMPACT. IT DOES, BUT IT'S COMING FROM A COMBINATION, THE EMBASSY SUITES THE CITY, AND THEN THEY DO HAVE THE MULTIFAMILY GOING IN. SO WE THERE'S DISCONNECTS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY ON HOW TO GET PEOPLE TO THE PARK, TO THE RETAIL SHOPPING AREA BECAUSE OF HOW IT'S JUST BEEN CONSTRUCTED. AND SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO CONNECT THOSE PIECES AND ENHANCE MOBILITY WITH THE BIKE LANES. THE LARGER SHARED PATHS. IS THERE ROOM FOR IN THE CONCEPT FOR SHADE? I WILL LET AMY ANSWER THAT OR FIDELIS. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK INSTEAD OF ME. YEAH, I RECALL ONCE, TALKING ABOUT A DOWNTOWN PROJECT, SAYING, COULD THERE BE SHADE STRUCTURES? AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER BRIGGS SAID THOSE ARE CALLED TREES. SO I OFFER THAT AS AN OPTION, TO JUST TO KIND OF SPEAK GLOBALLY ABOUT WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS OF, OF, THE RAZOR RANCH DEVELOPMENT HAVE BEEN SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC MOBILITY REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THAT ORDINANCE THAT INCLUDE ENHANCED, CONNECTIVITY FOR BOTH PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS THAT ARE A REQUIREMENT WITHIN THE SUBMITTAL PROCESS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE IS ENHANCED MOBILITY. AND THERE'S ALSO SPECIFIC OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS THAT INCLUDE PLAZAS AND SHADE STRUCTURES AND BENCHES THAT, HAVE TO BE MET THROUGH THROUGH THE PROCESS, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN FRONT OF YOU WITH FIDELIS, THE SEGMENT THAT HAS TARGET AND DICK'S IN IT IS ALMOST COMPLETED WITH CONSTRUCTION. DICK'S IS OPEN AT HOME, IS OPEN. OH. THANK YOU. AT HOME IS OPEN, THE PROMENADE AREA BETWEEN THE TWO IS OPEN. SO SEGMENT TWO IS OPEN AT THIS POINT IN TIME, SEGMENT THREE WHICH IS THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT, IS, I WOULD SAY 99% THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS. SO, THE PERMITS WILL BE ISSUED AT ANY POINT IN TIME. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF ENHANCED, OPEN SPACE AND PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES TO PROVIDE SOME OF THAT. AND THE, THE SHADE, EVEN THE LOCATION OF WHERE THE PATHS ARE, THERE'S GOING TO BE NEXT TO FOUR STORY BUILDINGS THAT WILL NATURALLY PROVIDE SHADE. AND THEN THERE THERE WILL BE STREET TREES LINING IT AS WELL. AND IN TERMS OF OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT PLACES WHERE THAT MIGHT BE ENHANCED, I THINK WE'D BE OPEN TO THAT AS, AS LONG AS IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE A, CHANGE TO WHAT'S ALREADY UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR FULLY DESIGNED. OKAY. THANKS SURE. REPRESENTATIVES FROM DISTRICT SIX, MISS BASSETT. SORRY. ANOTHER KIND OF SPECIFIC QUESTION YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER. COUNCILPERSON JESTER, DO YOU HAVE ANY DO YOU KNOW OR DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA HOW MANY MULTIFAMILY UNITS ARE WE ANTICIPATING BEING BUILT ON THIS PROPERTY IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA? IT'S ABOUT 325. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I CAN PULL THAT IF I NEED TO. I'M GETTING NODS FROM THE CROWD, SO I'M PRETTY CLOSE, WITHIN THAT LITTLE YELLOW SEGMENT NOW, THE SOUTH SIDE OF RAYZOR RANCH AS A WHOLE, INCLUDES MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE. AND I THINK THE CAP TOTAL FOR THE ENTIRE SOUTH SIDE OF RAYZOR RANCH IS 2000 UNITS. IS THAT CORRECT? MR. BANKHEAD? I BELIEVE IT IS UP TO 2200. I THINK IT JUST GOT RAISED WITH. OR IT WILL BE RAISED POTENTIALLY TONIGHT WITH THE FINAL OVERLAY DISTRICT. AND DO YOU KNOW. SORRY. I'M SO SORRY. ARE THESE GEARED TOWARDS STUDENTS OR FAMILIES. ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE BEDROOMS OR IS THAT DECIDED IT'S DECIDED AT THIS POINT IN TIME, AND I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PLANS TO GIVE YOU THE UNIT MIX. I CAN TELL YOU THAT GENERALLY OUT THERE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUNG PROFESSIONALS THAT, YOU KNOW, WANT THE WALKABILITY. AND THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT GEARED TOWARDS STUDENTS. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY, I THINK THIS IS VERY EXCITING FOR THE CITY OF DENTON. ONE THING THAT I HEAR FROM OUR CITIZENS IS, NECESSITY FOR VARIETY OF SHOPPING. AND I ALSO THINK IT'S EXCITING FOR TO, FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT 
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ABILITY TO DO THEIR GROCERY SHOPPING, TO GO OUT TO EAT AND THEN TO WALK HOME, AND THEN I APPRECIATE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TO HELP MAKE THIS BETTER. WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY AS FAR AS WALKABILITY OR ART, ETC. AND THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO FALL ON THE TAXPAYERS, BUT THAT WITH THE PED, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE SAYING WE WOULD LIKE TO ALL PITCH IN AND PARTICIPATE IN. SO, YEAH, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE VERY WELL RECEIVED. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. ABSOLUTELY OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, I'LL JUST SAY ON I DON'T KNOW WHO IT'S FOR, BUT WHATEVER. 
          I'M JUST FORECASTING ANY WORK THAT OR ANY CHANGE IN THE THING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE SEGMENT THREE TO BE FINISHED BEFORE THOSE. THE MULTIFAMILY IS FINISHED AND UNDERSTAND IT'S CONSTRUCTION. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SAFETY. I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S BEEN PROMISED AND THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER TWO ORGANIZATIONS AGO, AND IF YOU'RE I'M A NO VOTE IF THAT'S NOT EXPEDITED OR IF THAT'S NOT COMPLETE, IF YOU'RE TELLING ME IF IT'S LIKE IF IT'S EXAMPLE, HEY, WE CAN'T OPEN THAT UP UNTIL THE MULTIFAMILY IS FINISHED, BUT VOTE ON IT AND TRUST US, I'M A NO. JUST YES, SIR. HARD. NO. I WAS TOLD LAST WEEK BY FIDELIS THAT THE SEGMENT THREE WILL BE OPEN WHILE MULTIFAMILY IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE THEY'LL THEY'LL BUILD THE PROMENADE FIRST. YEAH. NO. HAPPY TO HEAR IT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO SNEAK UP ON ANYBODY THAT'S NOT MY FORTE. SO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GREAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. I DIDN'T KNOW DICK'S WAS OPEN. I GOT TO GO BY THERE. I'VE BEEN OUT OF TOWN. YEAH, I'VE BEEN OUT OF TOWN. I GOT TO GET BY THERE. WE ALL GOOD ON THAT ONE? YES. OKAY YES. YOU GOT TO TURN AROUND AND COME RIGHT BACK UP THERE. RIGHT. 
          [D. Receive a report and hold a discussion on the three potential organizational structure options for the growing City of Denton Convention and Visitors Bureau
    [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 1 hour]]
OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM D ID 241317. RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION ON THE THREE POTENTIAL ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE OPTIONS FOR GROWING CITY OF DENTON CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU. GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. MAYOR AND COUNCIL CHRISTINE TAYLOR, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. SO OUR OBJECTIVE OF THIS PRESENTATION TODAY IS TO DISCUSS THE THREE PRIMARY ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURES THAT A CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU CAN RESIDE UNDER OUR CITY OF DENTON CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU IS DISCOVERED. DENTON. SO I'LL REFER TO IT AS THAT THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION. SO WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY IS IN 2024, HOTEL REPRESENTATION REQUESTED THAT THE CITY EVALUATE THE THREE PRIMARY STRUCTURES USED IN CVB'S THROUGH THE STATE, THROUGH THE UNITED STATES. THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS INCREASED HOTEL STAYS, ALONG WITH THE CREATION OF OUR TOURISM PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT IS GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE THE BUDGET. IT IS ESSENTIALLY DOUBLING THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS THAT CAN BE SPENT ON TOURISM. SO THE CITY, THE CHAMBER AND THE HOTEL WANT TO BEST HOTELIERS WANT TO BEST POSITION THE CITY'S TOURISM EFFORTS TO ACCOMMODATE ANTICIPATED FUTURE GROWTH. AND ONE OTHER PIECE I DIDN'T CITE IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR COUNCIL IS WHY IS THIS COMING BEFORE YOU? THE CITY LEVIES THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX, COLLECTS IT AND DECIDES WHO TO CONTRACT WITH. FOR THOSE CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU SERVICES. SO WITH THIS REQUEST, A TEAM WAS CREATED TO COMPOSED OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM ALL THREE AREAS. SO FROM THE CITY MYSELF WAS INVOLVED JESSE KENT, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CHAMBER INCLUDED THE PRESIDENT AARON CARTER, THE BOARD CHAIR, APRIL STOKES, AND SETH MORGAN. THE BOARD CHAIR ELECT. MIDWAY THROUGH THE PROCESS, OR ACTUALLY A COUPLE WEEKS INTO THE PROCESS, WE HAD STAFF JOIN US TO FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES. AND THAT WAS, SONNY AND AMANDA. AND THEN OUR HOTEL REPRESENTATIVES ARE EMILY WRIGHT. SHE'S THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE HOMEWOOD SUITES AND THE NEWLY ELECTED TYPEKIT BOARD CHAIR, JAY DARCY, WHO IS A GENERAL MANAGER OF THE HILTON GARDEN INN AND CURRENTLY SERVES AS THE BOARD CHAIR FOR THE CVB ADVISORY BOARD. AND JEFF PRITTS, THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE EMBASSY SUITES AND CONVENTION CENTER. SO WITH THIS EVALUATION, THE KEY CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE WANTED TO EVALUATE AND LOOK AT AND BRING FORWARD WERE HOW WOULD STAFFING BE IMPACTED, WHAT ORGANIZATIONAL EFFICIENCIES COULD BE GAINED BY POTENTIAL STRUCTURE CHANGES, WHAT WOULD THE GOVERNANCE LOOK LIKE UNDER ALL THREE FUNDING? WHAT THE FLEXIBILITY LOOKS LIKE, STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, MISSION AND VISION ALIGNMENT. HOW DOES IT IMPACT THE COMMUNITY PERFORMANCE METRICS? AND THEN WE LOOKED AT DATA AND TRENDS. AND I THINK THAT STAFFING ONE, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THAT WE WANTED TO 
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COMMUNICATE FROM THIS GROUP TO THE COUNCIL IS THAT THE PROJECT TEAM AND, YOU KNOW, THE CITY, THE PROJECT TEAM, THE CHAMBER, EVERYONE IS SO APPRECIATIVE OF THE OUTSTANDING WORK. THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING PERFORMED BY CVB STAFF. SO BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON CVBS AND THE PRIOR TO THE 1970S 1980S, TOURISM PROMOTION GENERALLY FELL UNDER MUNICIPALS CHAMBERS. SO THERE WAS A DIVISION THEY COULD FALL UNDER A CVB OR AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. GROUP. OFTEN IT WAS IN SMALL COMMUNITIES WHERE THERE WERE LIMITED RESOURCES. AS TRAVEL INCREASED AS THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX WAS LEVIED, CVBS BEGAN TO GET SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER BUDGETS AND NOT BE DEPENDENT ON ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL SUPPORT. THAT'S WHERE YOU SAW WHERE WE SAW IN THE MID 90S GROWING CVBS WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES BEGAN TO SPLIT FROM PARENT ORGANIZATIONS. SO FOR TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THREE DIFFERENT STRUCTURES AND INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS KNOWN AS A DESTINATION MARKETING MANAGEMENT ORGANIZATION. WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE UNDER A CITY DEPARTMENT, CITY DIVISION, AND THEN THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE? SO IN TEXAS, THERE ARE THE MAJORITY OF THE CVBS FALL UNDER THE CITY WITH 58, 22% FALL UNDER A CHAMBER, AND 20% ARE INDEPENDENT. THOSE DMOS. THIS WAS A SURVEY CONDUCTED IN 2023, AND THEY HAD 90 RESPONDENTS OUT OF 100, THAT THEY SURVEYED. A LOOK AT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NATIONWIDE WHEN THEY GO TO WHAT IN THE UNITED STATES, THE BREAKDOWN SHOWS THAT THE MAJORITY OF CVBS FALL UNDER INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATIONS. SECOND COMING IN IS CITY CITY GOVERNMENT WITH 13% CHAMBERS AND THEN OTHER MAKE UP THE THREE AND THE 4. THIS WAS CONDUCTED, OUT OF I THINK THEY HAD 720 MEMBERS. THEY SURVEYED AND HAD 600 RESPONSES FOR THIS DATA. MOVING INTO THE CURRENT STRUCTURE. THIS IS THE CURRENT STRUCTURE OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. WE GET THIS QUESTION A LOT BECAUSE WE HAVE A CONTRACT FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP. BUT WHAT WHAT DOES THE CHAMBER LOOK LIKE. SO THE CHAMBER HAS THREE LINES OF BUSINESS OPERATING UNDER THEM. THERE'S A BOARD OF DIRECTORS. AND THEN THE CHAMBER PRESIDENT IS AARON. THERE'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP, WHICH IS A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CHAMBER. THERE'S ONE AND A HALF FTE SUPPORTING THOSE EFFORTS. THE CHAMBER, WHICH IS SUPPORTED BY MEMBERSHIP DUES, HAS A TOTAL OF FIVE DEDICATED FTES. AND DISCOVER DENTON HAS EIGHT DEDICATED FTES, WHICH IS HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX WITH A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CHAMBE. 
          I MISSED A WHOLE SLIDE, BUT KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT. SO THE MISSION OF THE CHAMBER IS TO ADVOCATE, EDUCATE AND COLLABORATE FOR THE ECONOMIC PROSPERITY OF THE ENTIRE CITY OF DENTON. AND THEN THE PURPOSE STATEMENT OF DISCOVER DENTON IS TO MARKET AND PROMOTE IN ORDER TO GENERATE THE DEMAND FOR DESTINATIONS, CREATING A POSITIVE IMPACT FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO THE CVB'S PURPOSE IS REALLY FOCUSED ON THOSE VISITORS WHO ARE NONRESIDENTS. AND THEN, THE CHAMBER IS INTERESTED IN THE PERMANENT. THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS THE LOCAL BUSINESS COMMUNITY. THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF THE REVENUE, THE CHAMBER'S BUDGET IS APPROXIMATELY 2.7 MILLION. THE LARGEST PORTION OF THAT BUDGET FALLS TO DISCOVER DENTON. THEN THERE IS A CHAMBER AND THEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PIECE, WHICH IS OUR CONTRACT. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE INTO THE KEY CONSIDERATIONS OF EACH STRUCTURE HITTING ON EACH OF THOSE WHAT WE SAID WERE THE KEY PRIORITIES, KEY FOCUS AREAS OF EACH STRUCTURE. SO UNDER A CITY, IF THE STAFF WERE HERE, THEY WOULD MOVE INTO A TEXAS MUNICIPAL RETIREMENT SYSTEM WITH A CITY MATCH. THEY'RE PROVIDED HEALTH BENEFITS, WOULD HAVE PAID TIME OFF HOLIDAY VACATION AND SICK LEAVE EFFICIENCIES THAT COULD BE GAINED AS THERE IS ENGAGEMENT AND ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FROM OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS. THE CITY HAS APPROXIMATELY 900 1900 FTES, SO THERE ADDITIONALLY WOULD BE ECONOMIES OF SCALE SPECIFICALLY WITH PURCHASING WITH TECHNOLOGY. SINCE IT IS A LARGER ORGANIZATION, THE GOVERNANCE THAT WOULD SET UP IS THAT THERE WOULD STILL BE A CVB BOARD, WHICH IS ADVISORY AND THEN COUNCIL WOULD BE THE EXECUTIVE BOARD. FUNDING WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL CITY'S ANNUAL AUDIT, AND THE CITY HAS A STRATEGIC STRATEGY OFFICE THAT FOCUSES ON DATA AND PERFORMANCE METRICS, FUNDING. FROM A FUNDING PERSPECTIVE, THE CITY WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE MORE CONTROL, INCREASE CONTROL OF PUBLIC FUNDS. BUT THERE ALSO IS A CONSIDERATION OF A POTENTIAL INCREASE TO PERSONNEL BUDGETS. AS YOU MOVE THE STAFF OVER, THERE WOULD BE AN INCREASED PERSONNEL COST. WHEN LOOKING AT FLEXIBILITY, THE CITY DOES 
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PROVIDE THE LEASE FLEXIBILITY. OUR PROCUREMENT UNDER LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS MORE STRUCTURED, WE HAVE OUR ETHICS POLICY. THAT IS A CONSIDERATION THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. AND UNDER THE MISSION AND VISION, IT STILL, IT WOULD NOT BE A SINGULAR MISSION. SO COUNCIL DOES HAVE A PRIORITY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM. BUT THERE ARE OTHER STRATEGIC PRIORITIES FOR THE CITY TO IT'S NOT A SOLE MISSION. WHEN LOOKING AT TEXAS, AT THE TEXAS MAKEUP MOST COMMON, THIS MODEL IS MOST COMMON IN MID-SIZED CITIES WITH A POPULATION OF MORE THAN 150,000, OR LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO 300,000. SOME EXAMPLES OF THESE COMMUNITIES ARE IRVING, GARLAND, FRISCO, PLANO, AND MCKINNEY. AND AGAIN, THAT CONSIDERATION IS WE HAVE AN ETHICS POLICY IN THE FIELD OF TOURISM. THEY HAVE SOME WINE AND DINE THINGS. THEY HAVE TO DO. SO WE'D NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. AND MOVING UNDER THE CITY WE HAVE AN INABILITY TO OFFER, INCENTIVE BASED COMPENSATION LIKE COMMISSIONS. OKAY. UNDER A CHAMBER STRUCTURE, SIMILAR BENEFITS THEY HAVE, STAFF HAS A 401 K WITH A CHAMBER MATCH. HEALTH BENEFITS, PAID TIME OFF, HOLIDAY VACATION, SICK. THEY HAVE FLEXIBLE SCHEDULES, INCLUDING SEASONAL HALF DAYS. THE EFFICIENCIES ARE ENGAGEMENT AND ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT FROM THE CHAMBER. COLLABORATION WITH BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY. AND WHAT I MEAN ON THAT ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT IS THEY IT'S SHARED BETWEEN THOSE THREE BUSINESS LINES. SO THE BUDGET FOR THE CVB IS NOT PAYING 100% FOR THE HR, FOR THE ACCOUNTING FUNCTIONS, FOR GOVERNANCE. THE EXISTING MODEL IS THERE'S A CVB ADVISORY BOARD AND THEN THE CHAMBER BOARD SERVES AS THE EXECUTIVE BOARD UNDER FUNDING, THERE WOULD BE NO IMPACT SINCE THIS IS THE EXISTING MODEL AND THE FLEXIBILITY AS THEY ARE MORE FLEXIBLE THAN A LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AGAIN, HITTING ON THAT MISSION AND VISION. IT'S NOT A SINGULAR MISSION. THE CHAMBER IS FOCUSED ON THE ECONOMIC PROSPERITY WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES PERMANENT, WHEREAS THE TOURISM ONE IS A SECONDARY ONE, NOT A SECONDARY. BUT IT HAS A DIFFERENT MISSION. LOOKING FOR THOSE VISITORS THAT ARE NOT PERMANENT. AND THIS MODEL SHOWED TO BE MOST COMMON IN SMALLER TO MID-SIZED CITIES IN TEXAS, WITH POPULATIONS EQUAL TO OR LESS THAN 150. EXAMPLES WE FOUND WERE MIDLAND, ABILENE, AND CEDAR HILL. THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE AND A CONSIDERATION IS THERE IS AN ABILITY UNDER THE CHAMBER MODEL TO OFFER INCENTIVE BASED COMPENSATION, LIKE COMMISSIONS. UNDER THE INDEPENDENT DMO STRUCTURES STAFFING, IT'S UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME WHAT THE IMPACT TO THE STAFFING BENEFITS WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT WE ASSUMED IT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO THE BENEFITS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OFFERED UNDER A CHAMBER WITH A 401 K MATCH, PAID TIME OFF AND FLEXIBLE SCHEDULES ON THE EFFICIENCIES THEY'RE ABLE TO ADAPT AND SHIFT QUICKLY TO INDUSTRY CHANGES. FASTER DECISION MAKING BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE A SINGULAR BOARD VERSUS UNDER THE CITY, UNDER THE CHAMBER WHERE THEY HAVE AN ADVISORY BOARD AND AN EXECUTIVE BOARD. THIS IS THE MOST FLEXIBLE MODEL, THEY WOULD HAVE UNDER FUNDING. THERE IS A CONSIDERATION THAT THOSE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUNDS WOULD, WOULD NEED TO BE INCREASED OR FUNDS GO DOWN BECAUSE THEY ARE PAYING JUST A PORTION OF THOSE COSTS RIGHT NOW, SINCE THEY HAVE SHARED RESOURCES UNDER A CHAMBER, UNDER A CITY. SO IT WOULD BE AN INCREASE TO ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES SINCE THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THOSE SHARED RESOURCES UNDER THAT VISION MISSION. AND VISION. THEY HAVE A SINGULAR MISSION UNDER THIS MODEL FOCUSED ON TOURISM. AGAIN, PEOPLE WHO VISIT BUT LEAVE THAT NON RESIDENT WHEN LOOKING AT TEXAS SPECIFICALLY, THIS STRUCTURE IS MOST COMMON IN LARGER CITIES IN TEXAS WITH POPULATIONS GREATER THAN 300,000. EXAMPLES INCLUDE AUSTIN, DALLAS, FORT WORTH, ARLINGTON, AND CORPUS CHRISTI, AND THEN CONSIDERATIONS. LIKE THE CHAMBER, THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO OFFER INCENTIVE BASED COMPENSATION TO THE EMPLOYEES REGARDLESS OF WHICH STRUCTURE IS GOES FORWARD. THERE WERE SEVERAL KEY TAKEAWAYS THAT THE PROJECT TEAM TALKED ABOUT REVIEWING AND WORKING TOWARDS CHANGE. THE FIRST ONE INCLUDES REVIEWING THE MAKEUP AND ROLES FOR THE CHAMBER AND CVB BOARD. WITH THE GROWING BUDGET FOR THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUNDS, THE NEED FOR HAVING INCREASED HOTEL REPRESENTATION ON THAT BOARD AND THEN ADDING OTHER SPECIFIC INDUSTRY EXPERTS TO SERVE ON THE BOARD. FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEONE FROM AN ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY OR A TRANSPORTATION SERVICES TO GIVE KIND OF THAT HOLISTIC LOOK TO TOURISM. WE TALKED ABOUT EXPLORING CREATIVE COMPENSATION TO ENSURE THE ABILITY TO CONNECT COMPENSATION WITH ACTUAL SALES, SINCE THEY'RE GOING OUT AND, MAKING THESE CONTRACTS TO HAVE SALES AT THE HOTEL, WE THOUGHT WE'D LOOK AT FIND A WAY. IS THERE A WAY TO HAVE THAT CREATIVE COMPENSATION WITH MEASURABLE GOALS TO TIE IT TO? SINCE WE ARE FOCUSING A LOT OF THIS CONVERSATION ON GROWTH? ONE 
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RECOMMENDATION FROM THE GROUP IS TO DEVELOP A LONG TERM CVB STRATEGIC PLAN AND THEN DO ADDITIONAL RESEARCH TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS COULD BE INTRODUCED AND TRACKED TO COMPLEMENT THAT STRATEGIC PLAN AND AN ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION IS TO STRENGTHEN THE COMMUNICATION AND THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE HOTEL COMMUNITY AND THE ORGANIZATION, WHO HAS A CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU STAFF. AND THE LAST ONE IS TO EXPLORE A SET PERCENTAGE OR ALLOCATION TO THE CVB FROM HOT FUNDS. CURRENTLY, WE HAVE A DEDICATED PERCENT OF THE HOT FUNDS THAT GOES TO PUBLIC ART, BUT FOR THE CVB, IT'S AN APPLICATION PROCESS ANNUALLY, LIKE ALL THE OTHER FESTIVALS WHERE THEY SUBMIT AN APPLICATION AND THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP BOARD ALLOCATES THE AMOUNT THAT WE WILL HAVE FOR THAT NEXT YEAR. SO A QUICK RECAP OF WHAT THE TIMELINE LOOKS LIKE. COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP ON THOSE HOT FUNDS MAKES A RECOMMENDATION AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. IN JULY OF 2024 AND AUGUST OF 2024, COUNCIL WILL HOLD THEIR BUDGET WORKSHOP TYPICALLY IN OCTOBER. THE CITY EXECUTES HOT FUND CONTRACTS AND THEN HOT FUNDS RUN ON A CALENDAR YEAR. SO THE FIRST ALLOCATION OF HOT FUNDS ARE DISTRIBUTED IN JANUARY. WE HAVE, I THINK, EVERYBODY HERE FROM THE PROJECT TEAM WHO IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. WE WANT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON LEAVING IT UNDER THE CHAMBER, MOVING IT UNDER THE CITY OR MOVING IT TO AN INDEPENDENT. GREAT. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH. TO BE BLUNT, IT'S NOT OBVIOUS TO ME WHY THIS IS BEING DISCUSSED AT THIS SORT OF FEDERALIST PAPERS. YOU KNOW, ABSTRACT LEVEL OF ORGANIZATION. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ONGOING OPERATIONS. AND IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT AREN'T HAPPENING THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING OR THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I SENSE THERE'S SOMETHING COMPELLING THIS CONVERSATION AND WHY EVERYONE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S BEING SURFACED IN A WAY THAT WE CAN REALLY KNIT TOGETHER THE ROLES TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING IS HAPPENING, WHAT SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING ISN'T HAPPENING. WELL, THE BACKGROUND OF WHY WE'RE HERE IS THE HOTELS, THE HOTEL, THE HOTEL REPRESENTATION DID REQUEST THAT WE LOOK AT IT WHEN THIS WAS ESTABLISHED, I BELIEVE, IN 1976. 
          WE'RE A SMALLER COMMUNITY. WE'RE GROWING. THE HOT FUNDS KEEP INCREASING YEAR OVER YEAR. WE'RE ADDING TO THAT TEPID BUDGET. SO THE REQUEST WAS BEFORE WE DO THAT, WHICH WE'RE VOTING ON THAT TONIGHT, IS THERE A STRUCTURE TO BETTER SET UP TO BE MORE PREPARED FOR THE TOURISM AND GROWTH THAT'S HERE? AND COMING WITH THOSE FUNDS? AND WHAT IS IT THAT MAKES US THINK MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE BEST STRUCTURE? LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WHY IS THAT A QUESTION? I GET IT, THERE'S MORE MORE MONEY TO HANDLE. BUT WHAT WHAT IS THE WHAT WAS COMPELLING TO SAY? THIS MIGHT BE AN ISSUE WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT. I HEARD YOU SAY HOTELIERS ASKED FOR IT, BUT NOT OUT OF THE BLUE. 
          YOU KNOW. WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? I THINK THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THIS KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN LOOKING FOR RIGHT NOW, THEIR BOARD IS ADVISORY. THEY ARE INTERESTED IN THE MAKEUP AND THE ROLES OF WHAT THE BOARD LOOKED LIKE. SO CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE THAT BOARD TO BE EXECUTIVE VERSUS ADVISORY IS WHERE A PIECE OF THAT IS COMING FROM, THEY'D LIKE MORE FLEXIBILITY, THAT LONG TERM PLAN. AND I THINK JUST COMMUNICATION AND COLLABORATION IS SOMETHING THE GROUPS WOULD LIKE TO STRENGTHEN. WE'VE OUTGROWN IT'S OUTGROWN ITSELF. SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT SIZE OF CITY AND MOST SMALLER CITIES HAVE IT UNDER THE CHAMBER. BUT NOW, BECAUSE WE ARE GROWING TO BE A MEDIUM SIZE AND GETTING TO BE A LARGER CITY, THE CVB AND RIGHTFULLY SO ASKED THE QUESTION OF IS THIS STILL THE RIGHT STRUCTURE AND THE WAY IT SHOULD BE HANDLED? AND SO, IN A WAY OF TRYING TO COME TO A RESOLUTION, WHICH IS TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT WHAT IS IT IN TEXAS, WHAT IS IT AROUND THE COUNTRY, THAT'S WHAT WE SHARED WITH YOU. THE OTHER THING IS, THEIR MISSIONS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. 
          AND, THEY THE CVB, THE MEMBERS OF THE HOTELS WANT SOME MORE SKIN IN THE GAME. AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU JUST LIKE IT IS. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE HEARD, WHICH IS THEY WANT MORE SKIN IN THE GAME. THEY WANT MORE REPRESENTATION. THEY WANT TO BE AT THE FOREFRONT AND NOT BE UNDER AN UMBRELLA, BUT TO BE OUT THERE LEADING THEIR WAY. NOW, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG. I'M SAYING THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. AND, THE CHAMBER HAS DIFFERENT FEELINGS OR MAY BE OKAY WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR EITHER ONE OF THEM, BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE ARE, WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. SO. SO DO WE THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S VALID FOR THEM TO 
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HAVE A GREATER SAY OR NOT? AND, AND DOES THE, YOU KNOW, CITY ALWAYS SEEMS TO, FOR GOOD REASON, WANT TO TAKE THINGS UNDER THE CITY WING, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THAT WILL MEET THAT NEED? AND YOU KNOW, IF WE THINK IT'S LEGITIMATE THAT THEY OUGHT TO HAVE MORE SKIN IN THE GAME? I MEAN, THAT'S QUESTION ONE. AND QUESTION TWO. IF WE DO THINK THAT'S LEGITIMATE, HOW DOES THAT TAKEN INTO THE CITY ACCOMPLISH THAT? WELL, I MEAN, THE PERFECT SOLUTION IS NOT NECESSARILY TO BE UNDER THE CITY. I MEAN, I'M JUST BEING HONEST, BUT I THINK, WE'VE OUTGROWN WHAT WE'RE IN, AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET PAST THAT AND TO MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY SHOULD ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AND LET THEM, THE ACTUAL REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CVB AND THEN LET AARON FROM THE CHAMBER GIVE HER PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT WHAT I WHAT I SAW, WHAT I HEARD, AND I'M NOT TAKING SIDES. AND ANOTHER REASON WHY WE GOT HERE IS BECAUSE THE CITY DOES LEVY AND COLLECT THAT. SO THE CITY DECIDES WHO TO CONTRACT WITH FOR THE CVB. WHEN WE WERE APPROACHED WITH A REQUEST TO GO INDEPENDENT, WE DON'T HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND LOOKING AT EACH OF THE STRUCTURES. BUT CERTAINLY WE HAVE THE TEAM HERE TO ANSWER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. IF YOU WANT A MORE POINTED, ALLOW ME JUST ONE FOLLOW UP AND THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE, COUNCILMEMBER JESTER, SO IF YOUR OBSERVATION IS WE'VE OUTGROWN THE STRUCTURE, HOW DOES THAT SHOW UP? WHAT OCCURS THAT SHOULDN'T OCCUR OR WHAT DOESN'T OCCUR THAT SHOULD OCCUR BECAUSE WE'VE, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR PERCEPTION, WE'VE OUTGROWN IT JUST BASED ON THE DATA OF I KNOW SARAH IS COMING FROM THE DATA THAT I SHOWED HER FROM THE REPORT, JUST THAT IN TEXAS FOR A CITY, OUR SIZE, THEY ARE MORE THEY ARE MORE FREQUENTLY IN CITIES OR INDEPENDENT THAN IN THE CHAMBER STRUCTURE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN RIGHT OR WRONG, BUT THE STATISTICS ARE SHOWING THAT, THEY ARE MORE COMMON IN TEXAS UNDER A CITY STRUCTURE. OH, WAIT. OKAY REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX AND THEN REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. I WANT TO MAKE ONE DISTINCTION. YOU CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT FROM MY INFORMATION, THE REQUEST TO CONSIDER THIS DID NOT COME FROM THE CVB. IT CAME FROM SOME HOTEL HOTELS. HOTEL REPRESENTATION IS WHO REQUESTED IT. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, I MEAN, I AND PROBABLY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS RECEIVED COMMUNICATION THAT THE DISCOVER DENTON OR CVB ADVISORY BOARD DID NOT EVEN KNOW ABOUT THIS, AND HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THIS, WHICH IS ALSO KIND OF CONCERNING. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS ALSO THAT THAT BOARD HAS A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, HAS A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF HOTELIERS, AND TO TRY TO HAVE A BALANCED MIX OF WHAT TAX DOLLARS ARE BEING USED FOR, IS THAT THIS PRESENTATION DID NOT GO TO THE CVB ADVISORY BOARD. 
          JAY DARCY IS A CVB ADVISORY CHAIR, AND I BELIEVE EMILY WRIGHT IS ALSO ON THAT BOARD OR ON AN ADDITIONAL CHAMBER BOARD. BUT IT WAS NOT THE CVB WHO MADE THE REQUEST. IT WAS REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE HOTEL COMMUNITY. OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR. I WANT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I ACTUALLY GET THE FEELING THAT EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT ME, I JUST THINK THAT THAT I'M GETTING THE IMPRESSION THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS GUY DOES THIS, AND THIS GUY DOES THIS, AND SHE DOES AND DOESN'T DO THIS. AND PEOPLE ARE DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH. AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. I FEEL LIKE I'M I'M ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN, EVERYBODY TELLS ME THAT THE, THAT THE, THAT THE SYSTEM IS WORKING REALLY WELL NOW. AND WHEN I'VE GONE TO CVB MEETINGS, WE'RE BREAKING RECORDS AND WE'RE MEETING GOALS AND EVERYBODY'S, EVERYBODY'S DOING GREAT AND I AND SO MY FIRST INCLINATION IS WHY CHANGE SOMETHING THAT'S WORKING, AND, AND I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR DISCUSSION FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE HERE FOR. TO, TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND, AND HAVE SOMEBODY SAY IT'S, IT'S AN APPLE AND SOMEBODY ELSE SAY NO, NO, NO, NO, IT'S NOT AN APPLE. IT'S AN ORANGE. I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME OF THAT. I DON'T I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M GETTING THE, THE STRAIGHT THE STRAIGHT SKINNY. I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY KNOWS BUT ME. AND I WILL JUST SAY WE CAME TOGETHER TO LOOK AT EACH OF THE STRUCTURES WORKING ON THIS TOGETHER. THERE'S CERTAINLY A STRANGE RELATIONSHIP WHICH IS AN UNDERLYING ISSUE THAT WE ALL HAVE COMMITTED TO WORK THROUGH. 
          BUT THE ROOT ISSUE OR THE ROOT CATALYST FROM IT WAS WITH THE INCREASED FUNDING, THE HOTEL REPRESENTATIVES WHO APPROACHED THE CITY WERE LOOKING FOR MORE REPRESENTATION ON THE EXECUTIVE BOARD, MORE APPROPRIATE PROPORTION OF PEOPLE IN THAT INDUSTRY AND MORE FLEXIBILITY, 
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UNDER A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE FOR THOSE FUNDS. BUT I WILL LET I THINK EMILY IS EMILY OR AARON WANT TO SPEAK ON EITHER OF THOSE? OKAY. GO AHEAD. I JUST WANT TO SAY YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND I'M GOING TO YOU CALL A CALL IT LIKE IT IS THE TRUTH IS WE'RE HERE BECAUSE OF DISAGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE GROUPS. AND IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO STAND UP AND SAY THAT, THAT'S TOO BAD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HERE. AND THE CITY STEPPED IN AND SAID, WE NEED TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT THIS, TO SEE WHAT IS THE BEST MECHANISM TO MOVE FORWARD. BOTH SIDES HAVE, HAVE GOOD POINTS. IT'S LIKE TRYING TO PICK YOUR BEST, YOUR FAVORITE CHILD. AND I DON'T WANT TO PICK MY FAVORITE CHILD BETWEEN THESE TWO BECAUSE THEY BOTH DO A FANTASTIC JOB. AND THAT IS THE OTHER POINT. NO ONE IN THROUGH THE GROUP IS SAYING THE CHAMBER DOES A FANTASTIC JOB. THEY'RE A GREAT ORGANIZATION. THE CVB IS DOING A GREAT JOB, THE HOTELIERS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. IT WAS NOT FOCUSED ON THE ORGANIZATION, BUT THAT IT'S GROWING WITH THE INCREASED FUNDS. AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR INCREASED FLEXIBILITY AND REPRESENTATION. 
          AND THAT'S SIMPLY THAT'S IT. IT'S NOT. AND I THINK WE WANTED TO BRING IT TOGETHER TO SAY, LET'S FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WILL WORK. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT IS LIKE PICKING ONE ASKING COUNCIL WHAT ONE YOU PREFER, AND SO I WOULD PREFER THAT SOME OF THOSE FOLKS SPEAK AND LET YOU KNOW KIND OF WHERE THEY STAND ON THE ISSUE. BUT WE WERE WE WERE BROUGHT HERE NOT BECAUSE OF SOMEBODY'S GREAT IDEA. IT WAS BECAUSE OF DIS DISENFRANCHIZED ILL FEELINGS. FEELING LEFT OUT, FEELING ALIENATED. AND SO FORTH AND SO FORTH. OKAY. YOU YOU, I AND I APPRECIATE THAT. A SECOND BITE, I, I'M WONDERING IF THIS IS THE RIGHT FORUM FOR THIS THING IF MAYBE WE OUGHT TO HAVE A ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION. WE WHATEVER THAT MEANS, AND HAVE AND HAVE IF THERE ARE GRIEVANCES, LET THEM. LET THEM BE AIRED IN PUBLIC AND MAYBE IT'S A MISUNDERSTANDING INSTEAD OF A REAL PROBLEM. BUT BUT I'M JUST QUESTIONING WHETHER SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, IF I'M, IF I HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE SOME SORT OF A DECISION LIKE THIS. APRIL STOKE IS HERE FROM THE CHAMBER. AND THEN I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S JEFF OR EMILY WHO MAY WANT TO ANSWER FROM THE HOTEL. LET ME GET THIS LAST QUESTION SO I CAN SPEAK TO EVERYTHING, REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. I APOLOGIZE. SO, MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO SPEAK. SO SHOULD I LET THE SPEAKING ALL SPEAKING HAPPEN FIRST AND THEN COME BACK AND ASK THE QUESTIONS? ALL YOU WANT ME TO DO IT? NO. YOU'RE GOING TO ASK STAFF. AND THEN WHEN SOMEONE COMES UP TO SPEAK, YOU CAN YOU'LL HAVE THE FLOOR AND YOU CAN START THAT PROCESS OKAY OKAY. SO STAFF, SO THE HOTELIERS APPROACHED THE CITY AND WE HIRED A CONSULTANT TO, TO SIFT THROUGH ALL THIS, IS THE CONSULTANT WITH US TODAY? NO. THEY'RE NOT. THE REPORT IS BASED ON INFORMATION THAT THEY PROVIDED US THROUGH THE REPORT AND WILL BE DISTRIBUTING IT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT A RECOMMENDATION. IT'S LOOKING AT THE PROS AND CONS OR THE ADVANTAGES FROM EACH OF THE STRUCTURES. SINCE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT A DMO COULD LOOK LIKE OR WHAT HOW ANY OF THESE WOULD IMPACT THAT WAS THE GOAL OF THE CONSULTANTS WORK AND THE CITY PAID FOR THE CONSULTANT. CORRECT SO I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS, I GUESS I WOULD HAVE LOVED FOR THE CONSULTANT TO HAVE BEEN HERE, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS LIKE A WHO ALL DID THE CONSULTANT TALK TO WHEN DOING THE CONSULTANT SPOKE TO CITY STAFF TO HOTEL REPRESENTATION, TO THE CHAMBER BOARD, TO THE CVB STAFF. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THE FINAL REPORT FROM THE CONSULTANT? I CAN DISTRIBUTE THE DRAFT THIS WEEK, BUT THE INFORMATION IN THIS PRESENTATION IS BASED ON THE REPORT. SO AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAY OUT THROUGH IT, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO KNOW THAT EVERYONE WAS ABLE TO, FREELY VOICE THEIR OPINION WITH CONSULTANT THAT WAS THE QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK THE CONSULTANT. DID I GET THAT SPECIFIC TO THE STAFF QUESTION THAT CAME UP TO ME EARLIER? THE STAFF WAS INTERVIEWED AS A GROUP, BUT THEY WERE PROVIDED THE OPPORTUNITY THEY WERE GIVEN THE INTERVIEWER'S EMAIL AND TELEPHONE NUMBER IF THERE WAS ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THEY DIDN'T MENTION DURING THE INTERVIEW, WHY DID THE CONSULTANT INTERVIEW OUR STAFF, OUR STAFF, CITY STAFF, STAFF? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, CVB STAFF. OH, I'M SORRY. OKAY, FROM THE CITY SIDE. SAY THAT AGAIN. REAL QUICK. SORRY. THE CVB STAFF PARTICIPATED IN A CONVERSATION WITH THE CONSULTANT AS A GROUP, IS THAT HOW IT'S NORMALLY DONE? ONLY BECAUSE WE ROUTINELY TALK TO FOLKS, AND WE DO THAT 
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INDIVIDUALLY. I'M GOING TO DEFER TO APRIL TO ANSWER. I DON'T THAT WAS A DECISION BY THE CHAMBER HERE. WHY AS A GROUP INTERVIEW. AND THANK YOU. WHILE YOU'RE COMING UP, PERHAPS I'M WRONG, IT SEEMS A BIT ODD THAT THE STAFF PARTICIPATED AS A GROUP AND INDIVIDUALLY, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WHEN YOU'RE IN A GROUP, SOMETIMES YOU DON'T FEEL FREE TO SPEAK YOUR MIND. I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THEY DID NOT. I'M JUST SPEAKING FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH CONSULTANTS. WHY DID THEY HAVE TO TALK TO THE CONSULTANT AS A GROUP? I THINK THAT THAT WAS WHAT THE CONSULTANT ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR. AND THEN OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE DO KNOW THAT SOME OF THE TEAM MEMBERS DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE ACTUALLY SPEAKING, BECAUSE OF THE GROUP DYNAMICS. 
          AND SO WE'RE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATION WITH THE CONSULTANT. IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ADDITIONAL THAT THEY WANTED TO ADD. DID THAT HAPPEN? I DON'T KNOW IF SPECIFIC, BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN INDIVIDUAL. I DON'T KNOW IF INDIVIDUAL TEAM MEMBERS DID. IS THERE A WAY WE CAN FIND OUT IF THAT HAPPENS? CERTAINLY NOT WHAT WE ASKED FOR. VERBATIM WHAT PEOPLE SAID IN THEIR INTERVIEWS. THEY COMPILED THE RESPONSES AND GAVE US THE FEEDBACK. BUT OKAY, THIS PERSON SAID THIS. WE DID NOT ASK FOR THAT. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH, BUT BEFORE I WILL HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GONNA FINISH UP WITH STAFF LIKE THE MAYOR ASKED REAL QUICK, OR YOU CAN WAIT. YOU MIGHT TALK NEXT. I DON'T KNOW ANYONE. YOU MENTIONED, THE FOCUS AND THE MISSION. THE HOT FUNDS, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT GOES TO THROUGH THE CHAMBER IN TERMS OF HOT FUNDS. DOES THAT EXCEED THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE CHAMBER BUDGET IS, ASIDE FROM THE HOT FUNDS, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS WHAT IS THE PROPORTION OF THE REVENUE THE SIZE DISCOVERED IN IS THE LARGEST BUDGET UNDER THE CHAMBER. THEY ACCOUNT FOR 60. THAT'S WHAT THIS SLIDE WAS DEMONSTRATING. AND I'VE GOT THE BREAKOUT AND THAT RIGHT HAND CORNER. SO THE PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WE CONTRIBUTE 150,000. THEY RAISE 150,000. DISCOVER DENTON'S HOT FUND BUDGET IS APPROXIMATELY 1.6 MILLION. AND THEN THE CHAMBER HAS APPROXIMATELY $800,000 IN REVENUE FROM MEMBERSHIP DUES. I ASKED THAT QUESTION AND I SAW THE BACKUP. OBVIOUSLY, I ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID IN THE PRESENTATION STRUCK ME AS A LITTLE ODD. YOU SAID THAT PERHAPS IT FEELS LIKE DISCOVERED DENTON IS MORE OF A SECONDARY THAN PRIMARY. MY WORDS, NOT YOURS. PRIMARY FOCUS. WELL, THAT'S ODD, CONSIDERING THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE BUDGET IS DISCOVERED IN IT. SEEMS LIKE THAT SHOULD BE MORE, IF NOTHING, IF NOT EQUAL MORE. THE PRIMARY FOCUS. I THINK THAT IS WHY THEY REQUESTED TO BE HERE AND TO LOOK AT IT. OKAY. THE STATISTIC WE STARTED THE CVB IN 1976 WHEN OUR POPULATION WAS AROUND 40,000. SO PROBABLY AT THAT TIME IT WAS THE SMALLER BUDGET AND NEEDED ADDITIONAL RESOURCES. NOW THAT THERE ARE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUNDS PLUS MORE HOTELS, THAT IS CONTINUED TO GROW. BUT I'M NOT SURE AT WHAT POINT IT BECAME THE LARGEST REVENUE SOURCE. OKAY FAIR ENOUGH. AND PERHAPS NOT GERMANE FOR RIGHT NOW, I'M IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO MAKE A DECISION, AND USUALLY STAFF DOES PROVIDE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SO MAYBE NOT NOW, BUT AT THE END AFTER WE'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY, IF IT'S OKAY, CITY MANAGER, I'M GOING TO ASK FOR WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS JUST SO I CAN HELP. KIND OF FORMULATE FORMULATE MY THOUGHTS, IF THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S SO, MAYOR. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR STAFF. AND THEN I'LL WAIT UNTIL OTHER FOLKS SPEAK, IF YOU DON'T MIND. ALL RIGHT. BEFORE I GO BACK AROUND. 
          ANYONE ELSE? FIRST TIME? I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE'S SPOKEN, I'M GONNA GET. I'M GONNA GET OUT OF THE WAY AND VOICE MY FRUSTRATION THAT WE'RE EVEN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. RIGHT? AND SO, I'M INCLINED TO SAY MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE DEADLINES MAKE DEALS. I WANT THEM TO GO AND FIGURE IT OUT. I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS. THE CITY MANAGER SAID IT VERY WELL. I MEAN, I LIKE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES. WE SHOULD NOT BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS. THIS IS. I HAVE PLENTY TO DO. AND SO, MOVING IT FORWARD, IF THAT, THEN LIGHTS A FIRE UNDER SOMEBODY AND SAY, HEY, I'LL ABSOLUTELY VOTE. THERE'S TWO BUTTONS. THERE'S YES AND NO. AND THERE'S NO KIND OF IN BETWEEN THERE. SO I'D LOVE I MEAN, AGAIN, GREAT PEOPLE, VERY SMART PEOPLE, VERY CAPABLE PEOPLE. I DON'T THEY DON'T NEED OUR HELP. WE COMPLICATE THINGS. I CAN'T SEE IT. YOU KNOW. AND SO, AGAIN, I'LL WAIT AND SEE WHERE WE FALL. BUT MY, MY DIRECTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TWO GROUPS TO MEET AND FIGURE SOMETHING OUT BEFORE WE HAVE TO VOTE. SO THAT'S MY KIND OF THING. IT'S LIKE, HEY, BEGRUDGINGLY, LET'S MOVE FORWAR, BUT HOPEFULLY WITH A HARD DEADLINE. THEN PEOPLE CAN SEE PAST, HURT FEELINGS, HARD FEELINGS, FRUSTRATIONS, CONSTERNATIONS, ALL THOSE THINGS AND SAY, HEY, WE GOT TO DO 
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SOMETHING BEFORE THESE PEOPLE THAT THERE'S NO TELLING WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, VOTE FOR OUR FUTURES. RIGHT? I THINK JUST THE TIMING DOES FALL ALIGN WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS, BECAUSE THE CITY IS IN THE MIDDLE. WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE MIDDLE. I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE MIDDLE. 
          WE WORK WITH THE CHAMBER, WITH OTHER CONTRACTS. WE WORK WITH THE HOTELS, ALL GOOD PEOPLE. 
          IT'S NOT ABOUT EITHER ORGANIZATION. THE REQUEST CAME FROM THE GROWTH AND WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE. A COUPLE DAYS AGO I WOULD HAVE SAID, I THINK WE COULD WORK THROUGH THIS, BUT I'M NOT SURE. NOW THERE'S A VERY STRAINED RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS. SURE. AND I THINK THE HARD DATES OF WHEN. SO BUDGET KIND OF. CAN YOU LAY OUT THOSE DATES AGAIN, PLEASE? SO IN JULY, COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT. THE BUDGET WORKSHOP WOULD HAPPEN IN AUGUST. THAT'S WHERE COUNCIL WOULD SAY YES. WE'RE CONFIRMING WHAT COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP WANTS TO ALLOCATE TO THE CVB. BUT WE START WORKING ON THOSE CONTRACTS AND WE EXECUTE THOSE CONTRACTS INTO SEPTEMBER 1ST OF OCTOBER. RIGHT. SO WE NEED TO HAVE A DECISION, I WOULD SAY, OR SOME DIRECTION, JULY, JULY, AUGUST. YES. SO SO IN THEORY, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S MOVEMENT. SO A COUPLE OF WEEKS LEFT IN JULY, FOUR WEEKS IN AUGUST, MAX OUT, SIX WEEKS. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S DOABLE. I MEAN, I REALLY DO, BUT BUT BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HERE'S WHAT I KNOW I'M SUPPORTING MOVING FORWARD WITH THE WITH WITH SOME SORT OF ACTION TO TAKE IT, TO START TO DRAFT HOW THE CITY BRINGS THIS GROUP ON, BECAUSE YOU RAISE A GOOD POINT ON THE, THE COMMISSIONS AND SOME OTHER STUFF. AGAIN, I DON'T AND THAT COULD BE A ONE YEAR DEAL. 
          THAT COULD BE A TWO YEAR DEAL. I'M NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE OPEN ENDED. WHAT I AM SAYING THOUGH, IS THIS HAS TO END REALLY QUICK AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A DECISION. I'D LOVE TO SAY LET'S GO FORWARD AND THEN YOU EMAIL US AND SAY, HEY, THE YOU KNOW, THE TWO GROUPS HAVE DECIDED HERE'S THE PATH FORWARD. BUT ULTIMATELY, ULTIMATELY FOR ME, THE DECISION FOCUSES AROUND THE CITY'S INVESTMENT AND THE CITY'S ABILITY TO MANAGE ITS INVESTMENT. OR THESE FUNDS WERE COLLECTING AND DISTRIBUTING JUST THAT, THAT SORT OF THING. SO THAT THAT REALLY IS, FOR ME, THE DRIVING FOCUS IS FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE, AND I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT SERVES THIS QUESTION WELL. RIGHT. THAT'S JUST THAT'S WHAT I'M TASKED WITH, FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. BUT I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE THAT INCREASES REPRESENTATION, INCREASES VOICE. I MEAN, JUST KIND OF BALANCES THAT OUT. OKAY. HEARD YOU DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE BEING YOU DON'T HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE. GREAT. LET'S ADJUST FOR THAT. I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE, IF COOLER HEADS PREVAIL, AND AT THE SAME TIME, LET ME LET ME JUST SAY THIS. I UNDERSTAND THAT MAY SERVE THE PARTY THAT WANTS TO COME UNDER THE CITY REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A DEADLINE, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT INCENTIVIZED UNTIL THEY THEY REALIZE WHAT THE DECISION IS. AND IT CUTS BOTH WAYS. RIGHT. SO HOW DO YOU HIRE SOMEBODY IN A COMMISSION ENVIRONMENT THAT CAN'T BE PAID COMMISSION. HOW YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WE NEED TO DO WE NEED TO THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY RECEIVING COMMISSION UNDER DISCOVER DENTON. WE JUST SAW THAT UNDER EXISTING MODELS. SO I BELIEVE THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO GET THEM TO AN INDEPENDENT. ONCE WE ARE A LARGER CITY OR I BELIEVE THAT IS THE GOAL OF EVERYONE AND WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE AS A MEDIATOR. WE WORKED ON THIS TOGETHER, BUT THE RELATIONSHIP IS VERY STRAINED, AND SO I'M NOT SURE WE CAN COME TO A CONSENSUS BETWEEN THE GROUP. HAPPY TO WORK ON THAT. 
          BUT WHAT SARAH AND I TALKED ABOUT TODAY IS THE CITY MAY BE THE COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE TWO, BECAUSE THE TWO ARE NOT WORKING WELL TOGETHER, RECENTLY WHEN WE SAID WE WOULD. YEAH, BUT I THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I REALLY DO LIKE THE SLIDES YOU LAID OUT KIND OF PROS AND CONS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S RELEVANT. RIGHT. BECAUSE HOW DO YOU DO YOUR JOB UNDER THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE CITY AS FAR AS YOU CAN'T TAKE A GIFT FOR $25. YOU CAN'T DO THIS. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. YOU GOT TO I MEAN, AGAIN, EVERY TIME SOMEONE SAYS THEY WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY, I SAY, ARE YOU SURE? AND SIGN THIS WAIVER, RIGHT? RIGHT. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE SOME VISION OF GRANDEUR OUT THERE FOR SOMEBODY, BUT BUT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU IT IS IN THIS ENVIRONMENT WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO. I SEE SOME SIGNIFICANT CONSTRAINTS. AND THEN WHAT DO YOU DO? RIGHT AND SO THAT'S I'LL LEAVE IT. IT'S A NO, WE CERTAINLY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS COULD LOOK AT IT HOW IT COMPARES TO OUR ETHICS POLICY. IS THERE CARVE OUTS. THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT, A CONSTRAINT OF COMING UNDER THE CITY. WE ARE MORE STRUCTURED. WE HAVE PROCUREMENT LAWS, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE CHAIN OR AN INDEPENDENT, WHICH IS CERTAINLY A BENEFIT TO HAVING IT UNDER THOSE STRUCTURES. BUT COMING UNDER THE CITY BEING THAT IT'S $1.6 MILLION, IT GIVES THE CITY MORE CONTROL OF THE PUBLIC FUNDS. SO I DO FEEL WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE. WE WORK WELL WITH BOTH SIDES, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. I'M HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT. BUT I FEEL WE 
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WILL HAVE THE SAME RESULTS. YEAH THAT'S THAT'S MY REQUEST TO SUMMARIZE, SUMMARIZE. YES, I JUST ISSUE A HARD DATE. LIKE IF Y'ALL CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT BY THIS DATE, THIS IS THE NO TURNING BACK COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE A DECISION DATE. LET'S STICK TO THAT. AND I'M FINE WITH THAT AND WE'LL MAKE A DECISION. BUT ULTIMATELY I, I WOULD ADVISE BOTH ANYONE LISTENING CUSTOMIZE WHAT YOU WANT VERSUS BE FORCE FED. WHAT YOU GET RIGHT. IT'S LIKE BEFORE YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE UP AGAINST. YOU CAN CUSTOMIZE AND NEGOTIATE UP UNTIL A DATE AND THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION. AND IT'S GOING TO BE A HARD, HARD LINES. AND, AND ESPECIALLY THAT'S A BLIND CORNER AND THAT THEIR INDUSTRY AND AGAIN THE PROCUREMENT ALL THESE THINGS ARE BLIND CORNERS. WE'VE NOT DONE IT. AND YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, OH YEAH WE WANT THIS RIGHT. THE GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER. SO I DON'T ADVISE IT. BUT IF WE GET THERE THEN SO MY DIRECTION MOVE FORWARD OKAY. I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE MORE COMMENT THOUGH, POINTING OUT JUST SOME OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS WE HAD MENTIONED, THOUGH THERE ARE IT IS A MAJORITY IN TEXAS AND IRVING GARLAND FRISCO, THERE ARE WAYS TO WORK AROUND THAT, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY SEE WHAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER AND HAVE A RECOMMENDATION IF YOU KNOW THIS BETTER THAN ME. YES, SIR. DIDN'T THIS TRULY UNIQUE? VERY DIFFERENT. RIGHT? RIGHT. LIKE THE CHALLENGES? YEAH. THE CHALLENGES AND THE EMAILS WE GET. I TALKED TO TJ JUST 15 MINUTES AWAY. HE DIDN'T GET ANY OF THOSE. RIGHT. LIKE IT IS A VERY UNIQUE ANIMAL. SO USING THOSE EXAMPLES I'LL TAKE THEM. 
          BUT POPULATION THERE YOU GO. OKAY. MAY I MAKE MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I HEAR YOU, I HEAR THE REST OF THE COUNCIL SAYING THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD PREFER. I WOULD SAY TO YOU, THEY CAN SPEAK. YES, BUT I, I'M WILLING TO SIT DOWN WITH A VERY SMALL REPRESENTATIVE OF EACH GROUP, MEANING 1 OR 2 PEOPLE FROM BOTH SIDES, AND HASH THIS STUFF OUT AND COME BACK TO COUNCIL. OTHERWISE I KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S COMING BACK TO THIS BOARD AND YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON SOMETHING, AND I'M GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. I WOULD PREFER NOT HAVING TO DO THAT. I'D PREFER SITTING DOWN WITH BOTH PARTIES AND SAYING, EITHER WE FIGURE THIS OUT AND WE MOVE THIS FORWARD IN A WAY THAT MEETS EVERYBODY'S NEEDS. AND WE CAN BE CREATIVE. DON'T I DON'T I LIKE TO ASK FOR PERMISSION NOT TO. I LIKE TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS, NOT PERMISSION. OR WE COME BACK HERE AND I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE EITHER ONE OF THEM'S GOING TO LIKE. SO I WOULD SAY I'LL DO THAT. I'LL WORK WITH CHRISTINE AND, AND ANYBODY ELSE IN THE SMALL GROUP TO SAY THIS IS WHERE WE CAME TO WHERE EVERYBODY CAN LIVE WITH THIS, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. OTHERWISE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GO. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. THANK YOU, MR. CITY MANAGER, WELL, I MEAN, MY INITIAL THOUGHTS AT SEEING ALL OF THIS WAS THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. THERE'S A LOT OF UNWINDING AND WINDING. WITH A COUPLE OF THE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO AS FAR AS GETTING SOMETHING COMPLETELY NEW, SET UP AND APPROPRIATE WITH THIS TIMING, I JUST DON'T SEE AS REALISTICALLY SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR A WIN, WHAT I WOULD ALSO SAY IS, ALTHOUGH THE TAXING IS DONE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE HOTELIERS, YOU KNOW, THE TAX MONEY DOES NOT BELONG TO THE CHAMBER. IT DOES NOT BELONG TO THE HOTELIERS. IT BELONGS TO THE CITY AND THE CITY MUST HAVE REPRESENTATION IN HOW THINGS ARE DONE. AND I KNOW CURRENTLY WITH THE DISCOVER DENTON ADVISORY BOARD, THEY DO WHATEVER THIS LOOKS LIKE. YOU KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND SAID IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT. HOWEVER, IT'S SOUNDING LIKE THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, AND ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. HOWEVER, I AGREE WITH OUR CITY MANAGER IN THAT AT THIS POINT I DO NOT SEE A CONSTRUCTIVE END OF SAYING WE PICK THIS, I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE FLESHING OUT TO DO IN MY OPINION, AS FAR AS SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR THE FUTURE, FOR GROWTH, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND AS I'VE SAID TO ANYONE I EVER TALKED TO AND PEOPLE CAN REMIND ME, DON'T DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT, WHAT I WANT IS WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY. AND THAT WAS THE CASE YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS ON THE CHAMBER BOARD. AND THAT'S THE CASE TODAY, SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE MY FEEDBACK IN THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF, WHICH I THINK IS VERY GRACIOUS OF YOU. HOWEVER WE CAN'T JUST MAKE A DECISION AND MOVE DOWN THE ROAD. WHATEVER IS GOING ON NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          THESE GROUPS HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. THE RESTAURANTS WORK WITH THE SUPPLIERS THAT WORK WITH THE HOTELIERS. I MEAN, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING, THAT WE CAN JUST IGNORE IN MY OPINION. AND 
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SO, I'M ENCOURAGED AND YET DISAPPOINTED AT THE SAME TIME. BUT, I AM VERY GRATEFUL TO OUR CITY MANAGER TO AGREE TO, TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. SO THAT'S MY $0.02. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO GET YOU SOME PROTECTIVE CLOTHING. WHICH I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING, LIKE, THE UMPIRE. SO JUST SO I CAN TRACK ALONG IN THAT, YOU'RE SAYING DON'T. WHAT'S YOUR POSITION TODAY, SORRY, MAYOR, MY POSITION TODAY IS TO NOT CHOOSE CURTAIN A, B, OR C OTHER THAN IF CURTAIN C IS, DELAY THE CONSIDERATION OF A VOTE FROM. 
          AND I THINK THAT WAS. THERE WE GO. MY DIRECTION IS PAUSE. BRING BACK AT A FUTURE DATE FOR CONSIDERATION. CONSIDERING THAT WE HAVE A PLAN THAT HAS BEEN, NOT MOVED, BUT PUT FORWARD BY OUR CITY MANAGER, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M IN FAVOR OF. SO. AND LET ME. OKAY. THANK YOU. IN REALITY, THOUGH, THAT JUST LEAVES THE STRUCTURE AS IS. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO ALLOCATE THE FUNDS. RIGHT. YEAH. UNLESS WE'RE SAYING WITH THE DATE BRING THAT BACK IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS SO THAT WE HAVE DECISION FOR THE FY 2425 BUDGET AND HAVE TRANSITION PLANS IN PLACE. AND THE GROUP THAT WAS WORKING SAID IF IT IS SEPARATING FROM THE CHAMBER, THERE WOULD BE A REQUEST TO HAVE CONSULTANT HELP TAKE US THROUGH THAT PROCESS. GOT IT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. SO FROM WHAT I CAN GATHER, IS THAT THE BIGGEST CONTENTION IN ALL OF THIS IS HOW THE FUNDING IS SPENT. I DON'T BELIEVE SO. NO, THAT'S NOT THE BIGGEST CONTENTION. NO SO WE HAVE THREE ENTITIES WHERE WE HAVE ONE ENTITY THAT'S COVERING. THAT'S THE UMBRELLA OF THESE TWO AGENCIES PROBABLY NOW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN PULLED OUT. SO WE'VE GOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE JUST WE STILL HAVE A CONTRACT OKAY. IT'S ALREADY BEEN A HYBRID OKAY. SO THE BIGGEST CONTENTION IS HOW THE HOT FUNDS ARE BEING UTILIZED. ARE THEY BEING UTILIZED APPROPRIATELY. NO MANAGE UTILIZE SAME THING ARE THERE. LET ME GO AHEAD AND GET MY GET MY THOUGHTS OUT HERE BEFORE WE START HAVING A CONVERSATION ON THAT STRUCTURE STRUCTURE REPRESENTATION. SO THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN THAT THAT CONVERSATION IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN. AND, AND SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE. AND SO WITH THE, I LIKE THE IDEA OF CLOSING THE TIMELINE ON THAT CONVERSATION, CITY MANAGER, AND COMING BACK WITH US AND LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT THAT CHANGE IS GOING TO BE. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE TO HAVE A REFEREE, AND I'M NOT SURE IF EITHER ONE OF THOSE GROUPS WANT TO MOVE UP UNDER CITY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'LL LOSE OUT ON SOME SOME, YEAH, THEY'LL LOSE OUT SOME OF THOSE BENEFITS. BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO, I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO, TO, TO SUPPORT OUR HOTELIERS, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB IN PULLING IN THESE NUMBERS FOR TOURISM. AND, YOU KNOW, WE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING FINE. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE TO ME. AND PLEASE CORRECT ME. OF COURSE, YOU ALL ARE GOING TO DO THAT, THAT OUR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DISTINCTIVE, RESPONSIBILITY. AND THE VISITOR'S BUREAU FOLKS HAVE THEIR OWN DISTINCT RESPONSIBILITY, AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL SAYING THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER. WHAT? WHAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE? I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO START OVER, AND I WANT TO MAKE THIS DIRECTION, BUT BECAUSE OF THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE VERY DISTINCTIVE FROM ONE ANOTHER. I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT IS THE DIRECT CONTENTION BETWEEN THESE TWO ORGANIZATIONS. WHAT IS IT THAT THE DIRECT CONTENTION IS THAT'S GOING TO SATISFY THE HOTELIERS, SATISFY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE? I'M JUST NOT PICKING UP ON THAT. I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS A SATISFACTION IS FOR BOTH SIDES IS A LOFTY GOAL. I THINK CONSENSUS COMING TO AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHATEVER STRUCTURE THEY BELIEVE WORKS BEST FOR THEM. AND IT COULD BE DIFFERENT THAN IT HAS NOW, BUT STILL BE AN UMBRELLA FORM OR WHATEVER. IT'S WE AREN'T LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS BECAUSE WE WERE SO BUSY TRYING TO SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE 
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STATE AND AROUND THE COUNTRY. OKAY. THERE IS DISAGREEMENT ON BOTH SIDES. THESE ARE BOTH WONDERFUL PEOPLE DOING WONDERFUL THINGS. I DON'T WANT TO. AND IF WE CAN START THERE, PEOPLE. 
          YEAH, IF WE CAN START THERE. YEAH IN TALKING ABOUT EVERYONE'S DOING A GOOD JOB NOW HOW DO WE MOVE THIS FORWARD. CONTINUING TO DO A GOOD JOB BUT ALSO GIVE PEOPLE REPRESENTATION AND SUPPORT AND FEELING LIKE THEY HAVE SOME CONTROL? I THINK I DON'T KNOW, I'M OPTIMIST. THE GLASS IS HALF FULL. SURE. FOR ME OKAY, SO, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH, WITH THE MAYOR IS SAYING JUST GIVE IT BACK TO HIM AND YOU WORK WITH THEM AND COME BACK TO US AND IN A, IN A AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT TIME FRAME IS. IT'S GOT TO IT'S GOT TO BE ASAP. YES, SO I'M, I'M WILLING YOU KNOW, I REALLY KIND OF DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. I'M WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, HEAR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. AND I DID I DID HEAR PREVIOUSLY FROM COUNCIL. I'M NOT SURE IF THE CITY MANAGER AND MAYOR STILL AGREED. DID YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE CHAMBER REPRESENTATIVE AND THE HOTEL REPRESENTATIVE TODAY? SO I IF SOMEONE HAS QUESTIONS. CERTAINLY. OKAY. IF THEY DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS, THEN I, YOU KNOW, I'LL I'LL PAUSE ON THAT. BUT IF SOMEONE HAS QUESTIONS AND THEY CAN COME UP AND ADDRESS THOSE OR SPEAK TO THOSE TOPICS, I THINK THAT'S BEST, VERSUS A NARRATIVE, REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE, YOU CAN KIND OF FRAME THIS ALL AS A QUESTION. I'M GOING TO TAKE A STAB AT WHAT I IMAGINE IS NOT BEING SAID. AND PLEASE WAIT TILL YOU HEAR THE WHOLE THING BEFORE YOU TELL ME I'M ALL WET. ALL RIGHT, DID YOU ALREADY DO IT? SO, I BELIEVE. WELL, THIS IS COMING FROM THE HOTELIERS, AND I IMAGINE THAT IF I'M IN THAT BUSINESS, I WOULD LIKE MORE REPRESENTATION, AND MORE CONTROL. WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO WHETHER FUNDS GO INTO CLOSING DEALS AND BUYING DOWN RATES TO GET GROUPS IN VERSUS SOMETHING THAT'S MEANT TO GENERATE INTEREST IN DEBT AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SALES VERSUS MARKETING. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. DISCOVER DAYTON AND CHAMBER AND GENERAL, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO, INCREASE INTEREST IN, IN, IN GENERAL. AND HOTELIERS NEED TO BOOK ROOMS RIGHT NOW. AND IF WE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PARTICULAR SKILL SET IS OF THIS CONSULTANT, BUT IF IT'S ANYWHERE LIKE IN THIS INDUSTRY, I THINK MAYBE THE MORE REVEALING THING FOR THEM TO FIND OUT AND SHARE IS NOT JUST LIKE HOW THEY'RE STRUCTURED, BUT WHAT RATIO OF BUDGETING TOWARD BUYING DOWN RATES AND CLOSING DEALS VERSUS GENERATING, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, MARKETING ACTIVITY AND EVENTS AND SO ON, YOU KNOW, IS CORRELATED WITH THE MOST SUCCESS. THE CITIES WHO ARE BEST AT THIS, WHO GETS WHO GETS RESULTS, AND HOW DO THEY SPLIT THE, YOU KNOW, SPLIT THE BUDGET BASICALLY, AND TO ME, ONCE YOU KNOW THAT AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE HERE ABOUT ULTIMATELY IS, IS, YOU KNOW, GETTING THESE TACTICS DONE. WELL, IF THERE COULD BE SHARED, YOU KNOW, SHARED UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE SUCCESS FORMULA IS, NOT THAT IT'S ALL ONE THING OR ALL THE OTHER THING, OR THAT THEY GOT TO FIGHT ABOUT IT EVERY TIME. IF THERE COULD BE A SHARED VIEW ABOUT WHAT WHAT IS THE SUCCESS FORMULA, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU CAN KIND OF STRUCTURE STRUCTURE TO MEET THAT RATHER THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, PICK A STRUCTURE BASED ON WHAT EVERYONE ELSE DOES. DOES THAT HELP AT ALL? HOW MUCH OF THAT WAS ALL WET? I CAN'T ANSWER THE PART ABOUT THE BUDGET OR THE FRUSTRATION. I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM THE HOTELIERS LIKE, AM I CLOSE? WELL, WELL HOLD ON, HOLD ON, CAN YOU? YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PHRASE A QUESTION THAT'S CAN BE SURE, SURE, SURE, SURE. EASILY ANSWERED. AND THEN SOMEONE WILL COME UP. YEAH. YOU WANT ME TO TAKE A FULL PAGE TO DO IT. NO, NO. YEAH, YEAH. FOUR WORDS OR LESS. YEAH. WELL, THAT'S NOT I'LL TRY TO DO IT IN A SENTENCE. 
          IS DEAR HOTELIERS, IS YOUR DRIVING INTEREST IN KIND OF GREATER CONTROL? DRIVEN BY, A NEED TO, TO HAVE WHAT YOU VIEW AS ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF FUNDS FROM THE TPD, OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED FROM THE NEW PAD POINTED TOWARD BUYING DOWN RATES AND CLOSING DEALS. IS THAT THE CORE OF THE EMILY ARE THE REPRESENTATIVE OR IS IT JEFF? IT'S NOT. YOU GOT TO YOU GOT TO COME UP. YOU GOT TO COME UP TO. SO YEAH. WELL OUR MILLIONS OF MILLIONS OF FANS CAN'T HEAR YOU IF YOU'RE NOT ON THE MICROPHONE. YEAH I SAID NOMINATED HERE PAUL. COUNCILMAN. THAT'S NOT THE CORE OF IT NECESSARILY. CHRISTINE'S A LITTLE SHORTER THAN ME HERE, THE CORE IS WHAT SHE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WAS JUST REPRESENTATION AS WE LOOKED AT SLIDE TEN. AND WE SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, TWO 
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THIRDS OF THAT FUNDING WAS COMING FROM THE HOT TAX. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT STAFFING, THE CVB STAFF IS A LOT LARGER THAN WHAT THE OTHER STAFFS ARE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ON THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND THE CHAMBER. I WAS THERE FOR SIX YEARS, BUT I ROLLED OFF, IT REALLY IS ABOUT REPRESENTATION AND JUST HAVING A SAY SO THAT WE CAN MOVE THINGS FORWARD. AND I HATE THAT THIS EVERYBODY FEELS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF CONTENTION BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S SOME SMALL THINGS THAT GOT THERE. BUT WE WORK GREAT TOGETHER. WE LOVE WORKING WITH THE CHAMBER, AND WE LOVE WORKING WITH THE CVB. WE'RE NOT AN OFFICIAL ORGANIZATION AS A HOTELIERS RIGHT NOW. IT'S ONE OF THE FEW MARKETS THAT I'VE LIVED IN WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A HOTEL ASSOCIATION. SO WE KIND OF GO THROUGH THE CVB. SO EVEN THE EMAIL THAT YOU GUYS GOT, JUST KIND OF TRYING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS HERE. WE ASKED THE CVB TO PUT THROUGH THEIR AND JILL, YOUR RIGHT. WE DIDN'T HAVE A BIG ADVISORY MEETING ON THAT. WE JUST AS HOTELIERS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A HOTEL ASSOCIATION SIMPLY ASKED THE CVB, HEY CAN YOU SEND THIS OUT SO THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE VERY FEW PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM EVEN HEARD ABOUT THIS UNTIL YOU SAW IT ON THE AGENDA. SO, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING'S THAT'S SUPER BROKEN THAT WE CAN'T GET THROUGH, BUT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO SPEED OF SERVICE REPRESENTATION, HAVING A VOICE THERE AND BEING ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. WHEN WE BUILT THE EMBASSY SUITES CONVENTION CENTER, THE CITY'S CONVENTION CENTER, THERE'S AN OFFICE WITH ABOUT TWO DESKS IN IT. AND ON MY ORIGINAL PLANS, IT STILL SAYS CVB OFFICE. THAT'S SEVEN YEARS AGO. CAN YOU IMAGINE PUTTING THAT CVB OFFICE IN AN AREA THAT'S GOT TWO DESKS IN IT NOW? WE'VE GROWN EXPONENTIALLY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOT FUNDS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, FROM 2018 TO NOW, EVEN WITH COVID, WE'VE INCREASED HOT FUND REVENUES BY 50. YET OUR CVB FUNDING HAS GONE BY DOWN BY 5. AND RELATIVE TO THE DOLLARS WE NEED, SOMEONE THAT'S ADVOCATING AND FIGHTING FOR THAT PART OF IT. AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE CHAMBER INCLUDE IN THEIR MISSION STATEMENT WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE HOTEL PART OF IT, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A HUGE PART OF THE UMBRELLA THAT AARON HAS TO MANAGE AND WHEN THIS FIRST CAME THROUGH, I WAS VERY NAIVE. I THOUGHT, MAN, WHAT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO RUN SIDE BY SIDE. THE OTHER MARKETS I'VE WORKED IN, WE'VE RAN SIDE BY SIDE AND WE'VE RAN SUCCESSFULLY AND WE'VE BEEN GREAT WITH IT, IT'S A LOT TO DO. THE WHOLE UMBRELLA THAT SHE WORKS UNDER, AND I COULD NEVER MANAGE TO DO EDP AND CVB AND CHAMBER ALL AT ONCE. AND SHE DOES A GREAT JOB. WE JUST WANT SPEED TO MARKET. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FUNDING THAT WE NEED, THE MINUTIA IS RATES FOR GROUPS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S THAT'S A SMALL THING. BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW THERE'S SOME FUNDING THERE, BUT IT GOES BACK TO THE FUNDING. AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE GOT TO HIRE YOU KNOW, SONNY'S DONE A GREAT JOB AS INTERIM, BUT WE'VE GOT TO HIRE A NEW CVB LEADER THAT HAS EXPERIENCE IN THIS FIELD TO MOVE THIS FAST GROWING CITY FORWARD. AND WE CAN'T DO IT UNTIL WE COME TO A CONCLUSION. SO IT'S ALL IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO DO IT. AND SARAH APPRECIATE, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. GET 2 OR 3 PEOPLE IN A ROOM AND LET'S GET IT OUT, BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T THINK WE'RE THAT FAR APART. I THINK WE JUST SIMPLY NEED TO HAVE A CHAT AND GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO GET TO, IF I MAY. AND WE'VE TRIED. 
          WE JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET THERE. SO WE MIGHT NEED A LITTLE MORE. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE YOU ALL HAVE A FURTHER CONVERSATION JUST FOR CLARITY. NOT AT ALL THAT LONG WINDED. 
          PERHAPS NOT. NOT MORE THAN MY QUESTION, IF YOU HAD THE REPRESENTATION THAT YOU FEEL, YOU, YOU PLURAL, Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAD THE REPRESENTATION THAT YOU FEEL YOU WANT AND DESERVE, WHAT WOULD YOU BE MOVING FASTER TO MARKET ON? WHAT KINDS OF THINGS? WHAT'S NOT HAPPENING NOW THAT, YEAH, TRULY SHOULD BE HAPPENING TRULY ALL STARTED. THIS WAS THE TEPID, THAT THAT'S TAKEN SIX YEARS TO GET THROUGH BECAUSE IT'S JUST A FUNDING MECHANISM TO BRING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO THE CITY. AND NOT BLAMING ANYBODY ON THAT. IT'S JUST THERE'S A LOT OF LAYERS, RIGHT NOW. AND IN OTHER MARKETS THAT I'VE BEEN IN, IF THE CVB, THAT'S THAT'S ALL THAT THEY'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING THAT ONE THING FOR HOTELIERS IN THE TOURISM. SO THERE'S SMALL STUFF AND I DON'T I REALLY CAN'T GET INTO ALL TOO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT STARTED THIS CONVERSATION A YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO, WHENEVER IT WAS, THAT STARTED TO LOOK AT THIS AND SEE. 
          AND THEN WE SAW THAT ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, 85% OF THE CVBS ARE INDEPENDENT, AND I THINK IT'S 5% UNDER A CHAMBER. AND THE LARGER YOU GET, THE MORE COMMON IT IS TO BE THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT. DENTON, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS GROWING SO FAST AND GROWING SO QUICKLY. IT TAKES A LOT TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO RUN A CHAMBER IN EDP AND A CVB, AND I THINK THAT WAS THE GOAL WAS JUST TO TRY. COULD WE RUN ON OUR OWN AS AN INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATION WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE? I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIGN ON TO THE LET SARAH CALL BALLS AND STRIKES PLAN, BUT, I WOULD JUST 
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SHARE THE ADVICE, UNSOLICITED, THAT THE MORE SPECIFIC YOU CAN BE IN WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, THE MORE LIKELY YOU ARE TO GET IT. OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR HOTELIERS OR. NO. YES, I DO GO. BEFORE BEFORE I GET TO THE QUESTION. THANK YOU. I DO WANT TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION OF HAVING THE CITY MANAGER CALL BALLS AND STRIKES. I'M GOING TO TAKE THE CONTRARIAN VIEW. I THINK THAT'S A HORRIBLE IDEA. WE OFTEN PUT YOU IN THE LINE OF FIRE WAY TOO MUCH AND UNNECESSARILY SO. I THINK YOU AND CHRISTINE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB IN THIS. I DO THINK WHO SHOULD BE CALLING BALLS AND STRIKES? IS THE CITY ELECTED A MAYOR AND THIS COUNCIL ELECTED A MAYOR PRO TEM. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE MAYOR BE THE ARBITER OF AN AGREEMENT LIKE THIS. I THINK THIS IS RIGHT UP RIGHT UP HIS ALLEY. AND GIVEN THAT HE HAS RELATIONSHIPS ON ALL SIDES, I THINK I TRUST HIM TO DO A FAIR JOB AND THEN REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL A WAY THROUGH THIS. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK. OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT. NO PROBLEM. COOL. I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH MAKING THE CITY MANAGER CALL BALLS AND STRIKES, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES WE HATE THE UMPIRE IN BASEBALL AND I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT HERE. OKAY SO ANYWAY, ALL RIGHT I'LL GET TO IF YOU CAN SAY SOMETHING IF YOU WANT OR I'LL JUST KEEP GOING. NO, NO, GO RIGHT AHEAD. OKAY, SORRY IF I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, I JUST. YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO AN INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATION, WHAT WOULD THE STRUCTURE BE LIKE? SO I'M. I'M NOT SURE I'M THE RIGHT ONE TO ANSWER THAT. AND MAYBE EMILY OR THOSE I KNOW. AARON, EMILY AND CHRISTINE HAVE DONE SO MUCH WORK ON THIS, I THINK AS WE LOOK IN OTHER MARKETS THAT I'VE BEEN IN, WHEN I SEE THE CVB AND WHERE THEY'RE AT AND SOMETIMES THEIR SPORTS COMMISSIONS INVOLVED UNDERNEATH THE CVB, AND THERE'S OTHER AREAS I THINK THERE IS, AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIRD PARTY TO HELP ORGANIZE AND TO GET THROUGH THE PAPERWORK. PART OF IT, I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WOULD BE IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT. AND THERE'S THE FLA, THE TEXAS HOTEL LODGING ASSOCIATION THAT ASSISTS WITH THIS. THERE'S A LOT OF INDEPENDENT GROUPS THAT CAN HELP SET THAT STRUCTURE UP. IT WOULD NOT BE VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT IS FROM UNDERNEATH THE CHAMBER. RIGHT NOW. YOU JUST HAVE TO ADD IN SOME OF THE ACCOUNTING AND THE HR AND THE MEDICAL AND ALL THAT PART OF IT. 
          AND AGAIN, I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON ANY OF THAT, BUT I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER ONES TO LOOK AT. 
          AND, AND COMPANIES TO HELP US GET THERE. IF IT WAS TO MOVE INDEPENDENT. I HEAR YOU SAYING IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, AND FORGIVE ME IF I SPEAK OUT OF TURN. I WOULD ASSUME NOW ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS FOR THIS ARE ROLLED UP INTO THE CHAMBER BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE UNDER THE BANNER OF THE CHAMBER. SO IF YOU WERE TO GO INDEPENDENT, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE TO INCUR 100% OF THOSE COSTS ON YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS ON YOUR OWN. GIVEN THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT CITY TAX DOLLARS AND I'M WONDERING WHAT IS THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK? SO IF WE MAKE ANOTHER ORGANIZATION, WE INCREASE THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. I'M GOING TO GUESS BY A SIGNIFICANT PORTION. ARE WE GETTING THE BEST VALUE FOR OUR MONEY BY DOING THAT? SO THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE. AND I'M GOING TO, AND SPEAK TO THIS, I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT IF THE ORGANIZATION IS INDEPENDENT, NOT A LOT CHANGES IN TERMS OF THE STRUCTURE, THE WAY THAT YOU ALL INTERACT WITH THE CHAMBER, THE WAY THAT YOU ALL INTERACT WITH THE OTHER HOTELIERS. CORRECT? YEAH AND AGAIN, OTHER MARKETS, WE RAN IN LOCKSTEP WITH, WITH CHAMBER AND WITH THE EDP. THAT'S JUST PART OF WHAT WE DO. BUT WE WERE, WE HAD AND THE OTHER ONES WE HAVE A HOTEL ASSOCIATION AND A CVB AND THE HOTEL ASSOCIATION WOULD BE A PART OF THAT CVB AS WELL. I HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT DIVERSITY, EVERYBODY IN THE CITY KNOWS THAT DIVERSITY MATTERS A GREAT DEAL TO ME. AND IT DOESN'T JUST MEAN BLACK, WHITE, MAN, WOMAN, LGBTQ, STRAIGHT, WHATEVER, IT MEANS DIVERSITY OF EXPERIENCE. SO, HOW MANY HOTELIERS DO YOU HAVE ON THE CHAMBER BOARD? ONE. OH CHAMBER. I'M THINKING CVB YEAH, JUST ONE. 
          IT WAS ME. I ROLLED OFF AND EMILY'S ON A ONE YEAR PLAN. OKAY WELL, TWO. IS SHE ON? HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. GO. I'M TRYING. I'M TRYING TO GET THE ANSWER. I DON'T KNOW, SINCE I ROLLED OFF, I THINK. I THINK JILL IS RIGHT. I THINK BIANCA WAS THERE. SO THERE WAS MAYBE TWO OF US AT ONE POINT IN TIME. CURRENTLY THERE IS ONE. NO, NOT TO YOU. OKAY. IS THAT RIGHT? AARON? SETH ANYBODY? ONE TO DISCOVER. OKAY, OKAY. AND HOTELIER. YEAH. AND CVB HAS AN ADVISORY BOARD, CORRECT? YES. PERHAPS THIS IS A QUESTION. THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU, MISS STOKES. DO YOU MIND? NO. HOW DO I TAG OUT OR DO I? WELL, YOU YOU MIGHT STAY. I MIGHT HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, TOO. HOW MANY MEMBERS ON THE BOARD? ON THE CHAMBER BOARD, THE ENTIRE BOARD. 
          SO WE'RE AT 21 RIGHT NOW, AND THERE'S A MIX ACROSS THE COMMUNITY. IS THERE ANYTHING IN 
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THE BYLAWS THAT TALKS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE BOARD? YES, WE ARE LIMITED ON THE NUMBER OF SIDES. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A BOARD NOMINATING COMMITTEE THAT GOES THROUGH AND LOOKS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS RACIALLY DIVERSE, ECONOMICALLY DIVERSE, BUSINESS DIVERSE ARE DISCOVERED AN ADVISORY BOARD ALSO HAS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN SAID IS THAT THERE'S NOT REPRESENTATION FOR DISCOVER DENTON WITHIN THE FINANCE AND EXECUTIVE COMMITTEES, SETH, WHO IS ON THE DISCOVER ADVISORY BOARD, IS ALSO ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND ALSO ON THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. 
          HE'S NOT A HOTELIER, BUT HE IS PART OF THAT DISCOVERY ADVISORY BOARD. OKAY SO AM I SAYING IT, RIGHT? HOTELIER. NO ONE'S EVER CALLED ME UP. OH, SORRY. WELL, I'LL TAKE IT. APRIL. I'M GOOD. I GREW UP IN DENTON. I'M GOING FRENCH, SO WE'LL GO. SO WHAT I'M HERE SAYING IS, THIS IS SIMPLY WANTING TO HAVE MORE OF A SAY IN HOW FUNDS ARE BEING SPENT THAT MORE DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTS THE ABILITY OF THE HOTELIERS TO, TO DO THEIR THING. IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK YES, I THINK IT'S PARTIALLY CORRECT. AS WE GROW FASTER AND FASTER, THAT'S WHERE THE NEED IS THAT WE THINK THAT EVENTUALLY THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE IT RUN AS ITS OWN ENTITY. AND I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST GO AROUND TO TALK ABOUT THAT. JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS WE SAID, HOT FUNDS INCREASED 50% OVER FIVE YEARS. IT'S ASTRONOMICAL. AND IT'S NOT SLOWING DOWN ANYTIME SOON. WITH THE ADDITION OF NEW HOTELS COMING IN. SO I THINK IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT IT IS, IS, YES, WE DO WANT MORE REPRESENTATION FROM HOTELIERS AS WELL AS YOU KNOW, SELF SERVICE INDUSTRY. WE WORK HAND IN HAND WITH HIM FROM THE HOTEL AS WELL, SO YES, THAT IS A REPRESENTATION TO, BUT I THINK THE ACTUAL HOTELIERS ARE WHERE WE'RE, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE INVOLVEMENT AND SAY IN THERE, GIVEN ALL THIS, I'M ACTUALLY INCLINED TO AGREE WITH YOU. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE Y'ALL ARE THAT FAR APART, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A BOARD CHAIR. WE HAVE AN INCOMING BOARD CHAIR, BOARD CHAIR ELECT. IT SEEMS TO ME IF Y'ALL GOT IN A ROOM AND SAID, HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WANT, YOU KNOW, MORE REPRESENTATION ON THE BOARD. I REALIZE YOUR BYLAWS CONSTRAIN YOU A LITTLE BIT, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IN YOUR CHAIR, I ASSUME THAT THE CHAIR GETS TO APPOINT PEOPLE, GETS TO APPOINT THREE PEOPLE. YOU ALSO GET TO PICK YOUR EXECUTIVE TEAM, WE HAVE AN INCOMING CHAIR WHO'S GOING TO PICK PEOPLE AND APPOINT PEOPLE. PERHAPS THIS IS GERMANE TO SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT MAKING SURE THE HOTELIERS GET MORE REPRESENTATION, AND AT A LATER DATE SOMETHING CAN BE ADDED IN THE BYLAWS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SOUNDS TOO UN TOO DIFFICULT TO DO? NO NOT AT ALL. AND I THINK WHAT WE WOULD HOPE WOULD BE ONCE WE HAVE A NEW VICE PRESIDENT FOR DISCOVER DENTON, WE HAD PREVIOUSLY TASKED THE PRIOR, EMPLOYEE IN THAT POSITION TO WORK ON A STRATEGIC PLAN SPECIFIC FOR DISCOVER DENTON. THAT WOULD BE A MULTI YEAR PLAN THAT WOULD ACTUALLY WE HAD TASKED HIM WITH STARTING TO LOOK AT AND TALK, HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT THE APPROPRIATE STRUCTURE WAS BASED OFF OF THE GROWTH. SO YOU'RE MOVING THAT DIRECTION THAT WAS GOING TO BE INTEGRATED INTO WHAT THE OVERALL MISSION. WE WERE ALREADY LOOKING FOR A 3 TO 5 YEAR PLAN THAT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO LAY OUT WHAT DISCOVER DENTON WAS GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE. I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT. SO, IT HADN'T HAPPENED, BUT AND THAT PERSON IS NO LONGER WITH US. BUT HE WAS TASKED WITH THAT. AND THAT IS WHAT THE TASK OF A NEW INCOMING DISCOVERED IT AND VICE PRESIDENT WOULD BE WHICH AND MAYOR. I'M SORRY, I'M GOING QUICK. I'M GOING TO SHUT UP, WHICH BRINGS ME TO ANOTHER QUESTION, WHO'S GOING TO BE THE NEW NOT WHO'S GOING TO BE WHAT? HOW'S THE PROCESS GOING OF FINDING SOMEONE ELSE TO STEP INTO THAT ROLE? SO ARE WE ARE WE THERE YET? NO. SO HONESTLY, BASED OFF OF WE HAVE BEEN PUT ON HOLD BASED OFF OF THIS DISCUSSION, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GO OUT AND HIRE SOMEONE AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT YOU TO COME WORK FOR US, BUT YOU MIGHT WORK FOR US FOR A FEW MONTHS, YOU MIGHT WORK FOR THE CITY, OR YOU MIGHT DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I THINK WHAT WE WOULD HOPE TO DO IS FIND SOMEONE THAT HAS WORKED WITH STRATEGIC PLANS THAT HAS GOOD, EXPERIENCE IN WORKING WITH GROWING COMMUNITIES AND FIND SOMEONE THAT COULD HELP US WITH A ROADMAP FOR A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR DISCOVER DENTON INTO THE FUTURE. OKAY, ONE LAST THING. AND WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IN PUBLIC IS THAT THE TWO SIDES ARE WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE A CONVERSATION. SO BASED OFF OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEING SAID, MAYOR OR, OR STAFF, I THINK THIS IS GERMANE. FOR ONE MONTH BREAK. SO WE MEET AGAIN ON THE 10TH, RIGHT? I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH TIME FOR EVERYBODY TO GET IN THE ROOM AND KIND OF FIGURE OUT THE PATH FORWARD. I'M VERY HAPPY TO HEAR IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYONE IS MOTIVATED TO MOVE FORWARD, I AM HONESTLY OPEN TO SEPARATION, AND I'M ALSO OPEN TO KEEPING IT, YOU KNOW, KEEPING IT UNDER THE BANNER OF THE CHAMBER, I'M I DO WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'D RATHER WAIT UNTIL YOU GET FOLKS IN THE ROOM BEFORE YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. THAT. BUT ALSO, I REALLY THINK YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO BOTH OF THEM. HONESTLY, IF THEY COULD EACH GIVE THREE PEOPLE AND PUT A LIST TOGETHER, THE THINGS THEY FEEL IS IMPORTANT, WE CAN COME TO SOME CONSENSUS. AND AGAIN, THIS COULD BE FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO UNTIL WE SEE WHERE WHERE WE GO WITH THIS AND HOW IT MAY BE BENEFICIAL FOR IT TO BE SEPARATE. BUT BUT IT'S NOT GOING 
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TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT ANYWAY. SO I THINK IT'S THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST PHASE OF HOW WE MOVE FORWARD, I DON'T THINK I MEAN, I'M A LIKE I SAID, I'M A POSITIVE PERSON. I THINK WE CAN WORK THROUGH THIS. THESE ARE ALL GREAT PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING. I GUESS JUST TO WRAP UP, I WILL ALSO SAY, I DON'T LOVE THAT THIS CONVERSATION HAPPENED LIKE THIS IN PUBLIC. I WOULD PREFER THE THIS, ALL THIS, ALL BEEN TAKEN CARE OF ON THE CHAMBER'S SIDE. 
          BUT I THINK THIS IS INSTRUCTIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW THAT THIS IS HOW WE KIND OF WORK OUR WAY THROUGH SOME ISSUES, AND WE'VE DONE THIS IN PUBLIC, AND I'M VERY HAPPY THAT EVERYONE'S BEING TRANSPARENT AND WANTING TO WORK THIS OUT. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYBODY COME TOGETHER IN A MONTH AND FIGURE THIS OUT, BECAUSE, THE NUCLEAR OPTION IS THE CITY TAKING IT OVER. AND HEY, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, I'M HAPPY TO DO IT. BUT I ALSO AGREE THAT YOU LOSE FLEXIBILITY WITH WITH ENTERTAINING AND CLOSING DEALS, THE NIMBLENESS, THE FLEXIBILITY OF IT. BUT I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME PLACES WHO EFFECTIVELY DO THAT. WELL, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, WE HAVEN'T HAD A HECK OF AN ETHICS CODE HERE. THAT IS PERHAPS UNLIKE MOST PLACES. AND THAT MIGHT BE, DEFINITELY NOT THE ROUTE THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE. SO THANKS, MAYOR. OKAY, IS THAT IS THAT EVERYONE? I THINK. RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD. OUR HEARTS AND MINDS CLEAR. GREAT, SO, CHRISTINE, AARON SAID YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH. I'M ASSUMING MY DIRECTION IS. 
          WE'RE COMING BACK IN A MONTH. SARAH WE'RE GOING TO FORM A SMALL TEAM WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM BOTH GROUPS. AND ONE RECOMMENDATION, I THINK LIKE THREE ISH ON EACH SIDE. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. SO WE NEED TO HERE WE GO, REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FOUR. I'M JUST WONDERING, DO YOU NEED A MONTH? THAT SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME. I DO, YOU NEED A MONTH? WHAT? WELL, JUST. I MEAN, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BLOCK OUT SOME CALENDAR TIME AND EVERYTHING. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'LL TAKE ME A MONTH, BUT I WANT TO WORK WITH THEIR CALENDARS AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE. 
          THEY HAVE. THEY'RE VERY BUSY. I WOULD HOPE EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM IS ABLE TO IS A TRIGGER PULLER AND CAN MAKE A DECISION, RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO BACK TO THEIR TRIBE AND SEE WHAT THE TEMPERATURE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION BEFORE THE BUDGET. I THINK THAT IS THE BEFORE THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. I THINK THAT WAS THE GOAL. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING FOR THE FY 2425 BUDGET, THE ONLY THING I'D ASK IS THAT BOTH GROUPS COME WITH A LIST OF MUST HAVES. NICE TO HAVE. YEAH NO, NO, MY, DISPUTE RESOLUTION SKILLS AND MY PATIENCE DON'T LINE UP WELL FOR THIS, AND I'M STILL A FIRM BELIEVER THAT ROCK, PAPER, SCISSORS IS THE GREATEST TIEBREAKER KNOWN TO MAN, SO THAT THAT DOESN'T WORK WELL IN A PROFESSIONAL ENVIRONMENT, I COULDN'T IMAGINE STANDING IN FRONT OF A WHITEBOARD AND TALLYING WHO WON ROCK, PAPER, SCISSORS. THEY'D RUN ME OUT OF THERE, OKAY. WELL. VERY GOOD. 
          SO, YEAH. NO, THE TIMELINE WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF. I'M SUPREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE. I WOULD JUST MAKE SURE YOU START WITH THAT. LIKE, HEY, HERE'S HERE'S OUR MEETING SCHEDULE. HERE'S WHEN THE AGENDA IS SET, AND THEN YOU JUST WORK BACKWARDS AND IT TAKES CARE OF ITSELF SO SUPREMELY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. SO THANK YOU ALL EVERYONE. REALLY REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION. 
          SO APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES AND JEFF I ADVOCATED FOR YOUR DRIVEWAY MAN. DID YOU SEE ME. SHE'S NO. OKAY. LET ME DO THE MINUTES. YEAH WE'LL GO. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD BECAUSE, I DON'T KNOW IF DINNER'S HERE YET, BUT WE'RE RUNNING CLOSE, SO WE'RE NOT TOO CLOSE. IT'S 430, RIGHT? YEAH WE'RE GOOD. YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME. OKAY ITEM E IS 
          [E. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on pending City Council requests for: 
1.	Request for a work session to reconsider proposed changes to the Two-Minute Pitch process.
    [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]
ID 241005, AND IT'S RECEIVED REPORT, WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON PENDING CITY COUNCIL REQUESTS. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. CARLOTTA COWAN, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER HERE TO PRESENT THE PENDING REQUEST FOR INFORMATION FROM COUNCIL, AKA THE TWO MINUTE PITCH. SO JUST A COUPLE REMINDERS. THE REQUESTING COUNCIL MEMBER WILL HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES TO DESCRIBE AND JUSTIFY THEIR REQUEST, AND THE REMAINING COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL HAVE UP TO ONE MINUTE TO PROVIDE THEIR SUPPORT. AND WE ALSO ASK THAT THE OTHER REMAINING COUNCIL MEMBERS CATEGORIZE THEIR SUPPORT AS HIGH, MEDIUM OR LOW PRIORITY. SO WE HAVE ONE PITCH TODAY. 
          REQUEST FOR A WORK SESSION TO RECONSIDER PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE TWO MINUTE PITCH PROCESS, AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD. HELLO EVERYONE, DURING THE 2024 COUNCIL RETREAT, THE STAFF PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE TWO MINUTE PITCH AND THAT THAT PARTICULAR PROCESS THAT WOULD INCREASE THE ENGAGEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THE ELEVATION OF INVOLVEMENT OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND ENSURE BUDGET ALIGNMENT. I DID NOT I THIS IS WHY I BROUGHT IT BACK. DID NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH 
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THE PROPOSED PROCESS. THE CITY COUNCIL WISHES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS REQUEST. I'M EXPECTING FOR THE STAFF TO PREPARE FUTURE WORK SESSION ITEM ON THIS. I WAS STILL ASKING QUESTIONS AFTER THE MEETING, AND I KNOW THAT THERE WERE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE STILL ASKING QUESTIONS AFTER THE MEETING, BUT I UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY WERE SAYING. BUT I DID NOT FEEL LIKE THAT. WE WERE CAPTURING THAT CIVIC ENGAGEMENT. WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT ADDING PEOPLE AND USING PEOPLE TO HELP US MAKE DECISIONS. I THINK THIS PARTICULAR, PROCESS IS GOING TO PULL IN THOSE FOLKS TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. IF WE'RE NOT USING THEM FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. AND THAT'S HELPING WITH THE ENGAGEMENT OF THE DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE, THEN I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE UTILIZING OUR OUR SKILLS AND TIME EFFECTIVELY. SO THE OTHER THING WAS THAT'S NOT SHOWN HERE IS THAT I WANT TO, JUST THANK THE STAFF FOR ALLOWING ME TO BRING THIS BACK. 
          I WANT THEM TO BE EFFICIENT. I KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO BE EFFECTIVE. AND IF THIS MEANS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HELP THIS CITY, BE PUT IN A BETTER POSITION, I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO SUPPORT OUR CITY STAFF IN GETTING THEIR JOBS DONE. I WANT TO HELP THEM TO GET THEIR JOBS DONE AND TO BE DONE IN A WAY THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH DOING IT. AND IF THIS IS WHAT THIS MEANS, REVISING THIS PITCH FOR ENGAGEMENT, I AM HOPING THAT YOU ALL WOULD AGREE. I WOULD WANT THIS TO BE ON A HIGH LEVEL RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT THREE. I APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS GOODWILL AND BRINGING THIS BACK, AND WHENEVER STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT PARTICULAR PROCESS, I'D WANT TO HEAR IT. AND ACTUALLY, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, MY RECOLLECTION OF WHERE WE ENDED WAS INSTEAD OF SAYING, WE'RE NOW DOING A PITCH FOR A WORK SESSION, IT'S WE'RE DOING A PITCH FOR WE WANT TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM. AND STAFF CAN RECOMMEND THAT PROCESS OR SOMETHING THAT'S SIMPLE. WE CAN DO A SHORTER ONE. I DON'T WANT TO GO FROM ONE ONE SIZE FITS ALL TO ANOTHER ONE SIZE FITS ALL. SO I'M NOT SUPPORTING MOVING FORWARD, BUT I AM SUPPORTING HEARING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE WAY FORWARD, PITCH BY PITCH. OKAY, ANYONE ELSE? I WAITED A MINUTE, COUNCILPERSON JESTER, I'M IN FAVOR. OKAY. 
          ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF A SYSTEM WHERE, WE'RE CALLING THIS A PITCH TO HAVE A WARM UP PITCH. WHERE THE COUNCIL MEMBER COULD TROT THAT BY THE CITY MANAGER OR HER STAFF AND SEE KIND OF, KIND OF FEEL THIS THING OUT, FLESH IT OUT BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON IT TO SEE HOW VIABLE IT IS IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND IF IT'S IF IT'S DOABLE IN THE WARM UP PITCH, THEN WE HAVE THE TWO MINUTE PITCH AND IF NOT, THEN THEN YOU, THEN YOU SCUTTLE IT RIGHT THERE. I THINK THAT WOULD I THINK THAT WOULD SAVE TIME AT THE WORK SESSION. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE THE FLOW CHART BY CHANCE? I DO NOT HAVE THE FLOW CHART, OKAY. YEAH, I WAS GONNA GO. OKAY. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU YOU HAVE WHAT YOU YOU NEEDED FOR THAT, WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. OKAY YOU READY? TOM YEAH. I'M TRYING TO GET GIVE YOU A FEW SECONDS HEAD START. THAT WAY WHEN I CUT YOU OFF, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. GO AHEAD. OKAY. THAT'S HOW I DO IT. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S LIKE TWO MINUTES. YOU'VE HAD ABOUT 206, I'M NOT GOING TO BE THAT LONG, SO I'LL TAKE A MINUTE TO THIS REMINDS ME OF WHAT, COUNTY JUDGE IN TARRANT COUNTY IS DOING, THROWING FOLK OUT OF MEETING WHEN THEY TALK EIGHT SECONDS OVER. I'M NOT. DON'T DO THAT. I WANT YOU TO DO THAT. I WON'T GIVE YOU ANY IDEAS. NO, NO, BUT, I APPRECIATE THE PITCH, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS. 
          I'M NOT SURE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMEMBER MELTON SAID. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU SAID WHAT SHE ASKED FOR. SO I PERHAPS I'M CONFUSED. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MIGHT ALL BE IN UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT FOR THIS. SO I'M, I'M I'M FINE WITH WITH STAFF DOING THIS ONLY BECAUSE I DO RESPECT THE WORK AND EFFORT YOU GUYS PUT IN BRINGING THIS UP IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO SEE IF WE CAN IMPROVE THE PITCH PROCESS. I THINK IT'S GOOD TO LOOK AT OUR 
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PROCESSES. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND YEAH, I'LL GET ON BOARD. I WAS SUPPORTIVE THEN, SUPPORTIVE NOW. AND WE'LL PUT IT IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY. JUST SO STAFF HAS SOME ADDITIONAL DIRECTION IF YOU WANT TO GIVE I. AND THANK YOU BECAUSE THAT'S FOUR. BUT, THIS IS THE PROCESS. 
          SO IT DOES AS MAYOR PRO TEM ELOQUENTLY SAID, THIS GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY, WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS MEMORIALIZING IT. BUT WHAT HE'S SAYING IS IT DOES GIVE US THAT OPPORTUNITY, AS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FROM A WARM UP, WHEN IT COMES IN THE TWO MINUTE PITCH, WE ACTUALLY, GET A CHANCE TO SAY, OKAY, WE'LL GIVE IT TO YOU NICER. WE'LL TELL YOU THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. 
          WE'LL DO DOES THIS WILL TELL YOU IT DOESN'T MEET THE STRATEGIC ALLIANCE. IT'S NOT ALIGNMENT. 
          IT'S NOT ONE OF YOUR KEY PRIORITIES. AND THEN FROM THERE, YOU COULD SAY, WELL, OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. DON'T DO IT. OR YOU COULD SAY, NAH, LET'S MOVE IT THROUGH THE PROCESS. ANYWAY, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT YOU KNOW. LET'S GET THE GET IT APPROVED AND THEN AT THE AGENDA COMMITTEE, IT COULD ACTUALLY BE, APPROVED AND PUT ON THE, WORK SESSION, OR IT COULD GO TO ANY ONE OF THE COMMUNITY COMMITTEES THAT ARE MADE UP OF CITIZENS WHO COULD SAY, WELL, WE LIKE THAT IDEA, AND WE WANT YOU TO ADD MORE TO IT, OR WE DON'T LIKE THE IDEA, WE DON'T RECOMMEND YOU DO IT. IT GETS SOME COMMUNITY INPUT. THAT'S WHAT WE RECOMMENDED, I DO LIKE YOUR IDEA, THOUGH, COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND OF A WARM UP PITCH, WHICH IS TALKING TO THE. AND I TRY TO TALK TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER IN ADVANCE. WHEN THEY THROW OUT THEIR PITCH, I TRY TO TELL THEM OR HAVE STAFF TELL THEM, HEY, WE ALREADY DID THIS, OR HEY, THIS WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BUDGET OR, HOW ABOUT WE HELP? WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT. IT'S PART OF OUR WORK PLA. SO THAT THEY ALREADY KNOW OR OR WE SAY THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO THIS, JUST KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG TIME COMING. WE SORT OF WILL DO THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO ADD THAT AT THE FRONT ANYWAY, SORT OF AN HONEST CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER TO GIVE THEM FEEDBACK OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD TAKE SIX WEEKS TO WORK ON OR WHATEVER. YES, MISS CITY MANAGER, YOU, YOU AND YOUR TEAM, YOU MAKE AN EFFORT TO HAVE ONE ON ONE WITH ALL OF US. YES AND THAT'S OUR TIME TO KIND OF TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT. STUFF DOESN'T I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, DOESN'T THAT ALREADY HAPPEN? DOES THAT REALLY NEED TO BE MEMORIAL? IT DOES. I MEAN, THIS WE WANTED MEMORIALIZE BECAUSE PEOPLE CHANGED. COUNCIL MEMBERS CHANGED. COME AND GO. 
          ALL RIGHT. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOT IT. GREAT JOB. AND THANK YOU 
          [Following the completion of the Work Session, the City Council will convene in a Closed Meeting in the Council Work Session Room to consider specific item(s) when these items are listed below under the Closed Meeting section of this agenda.  The City Council reserves the right to adjourn into a Closed Meeting on any item on its Open Meeting agenda consistent with Chapter 551 of the Texas Government Code, as amended, or as otherwise allowed by law.]
FOR FINDING THAT. YES, THAT TAKES US TO OUR CLOSED SESSION WORK SESSION. THE THAT THAT TAKES US CLOSE TO OUR CLOSED SESSION ITEMS. THERE'S THREE. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW AT 4:39 P.M, CONVENE IN CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE THE CLOSED MEETING. ITEMS SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING ITEM A ID 241331. CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071. ITEM B ID 241332. CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.071 AND ID 220 4-1398. CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071 AND SO WE'LL SET THE ROOM.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.