[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding Audit Project 004 - Police Property Room: Second Follow-Up Review. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 15 minutes]]

WAS JUST CURIOUS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT, THAT TAKES US TO OUR WORK SESSION, SO FIRST IS ITEM A ID 24253 RECEIVE REPORT, WHOLE DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING AUDIT PROJECT 004 POLICE PROCEDURE ROOM. SECOND FOLLOW UP REVIEW. WELL, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MADISON DENTON, CITY AUDITOR. I'M HERE TO PRESENT OUR FOLLOW UP FINDINGS FROM THIS AUDIT PROJEC.

AS A REMINDER, FOLLOW UP REVIEWS ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON WHAT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE IN RESPONSE TO AN ISSUED AUDIT. THIS REVIEW WAS BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND MANAGEMENT RESPONSES ORIGINALLY COMPILED IN THE POLICE PROPERTY ROOM AUDIT ISSUED IN JUNE OF 2019, AND PARTIALLY FOLLOWED UP ON IN DECEMBER OF 2021. THE ORIGINAL AUDIT EVALUATED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S ABILITY TO RECORD AND SAFEGUARD HIGH RISK PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE ITEMS, INCLUDING FIREARMS, NARCOTICS AND CURRENCY. SINCE THE ORIGINAL AUDIT, THE POLICE PROPERTY ROOMS PROCEDURES HAVE GENERALLY BEEN UPDATED AND SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED. IN THE POLICE PROPERTY ROOM HAS ITSELF BEEN REMODELED TO BEGIN AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL AUDIT, WE FOUND THAT CONTROLS OVER WHO HAD ACCESS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE ROOM COULD BE IMPROVED, IN PARTICULAR, WE RECOMMENDED THAT BACKGROUND CHECKS BE PERFORMED BEFORE STAFF WAS ASSIGNED TO THE PROPERTY ROOM, EVEN IF THEY WERE BEING TRANSFERRED FROM A DIFFERENT POLICE DEPARTMENT UNIT. WE ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT STAFF AT LEAST ANNUALLY VERIFY THAT ONLY AUTHORIZED EMPLOYEES HAD BADGE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY ROOM. THESE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED AND INCLUDED IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S REVISED GENERAL ORDER. IN ADDITION, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE PROPERTY ROOM SUPERVISOR IS REQUIRED TO ANNUALLY VERIFY THAT ONLY AUTHORIZED EMPLOYEES HAVE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY ROOM. AS PART OF THIS, FOLLOW UP AUDIT AUDIT FOLLOW UP REVIEW AUDIT STAFF VERIFIED THAT ONLY PROPERTY TECHNICIANS HAD INDEPENDENT ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY ROOM. AS OF AUGUST 2024, THE ORIGINAL AUDIT ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CONSIDER HAVING THE DISPATCH UNIT MONITOR PROPERTY ROOM CAMERAS TO HELP IDENTIFY ANY UNUSUAL OR SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ORIGINALLY DISAGREED WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION. HOWEVER, THEY HAVE BEGUN STORING PROPERTY ROOM CAMERA FOOTAGE FOR THREE YEARS, AND THE SECURITY CAMERAS CAN NO LONGER BE REPOSITIONED, HELPING TO ENSURE THAT IF ITEMS ARE FOUND TO BE MISSING, ADEQUATE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE TO ASSIST WITH A POTENTIAL INVESTIGATION. NEXT, THE ORIGINAL AUDIT FOUND SEVERAL ISSUES WITH THE PROPERTY ROOM DIVISION'S INVENTORY MONITORING PROCESSES. SPECIFICALLY, THERE WAS NO DEFINED PROCEDURES IN THE GENERAL ORDER TO GUIDE STAFF IN FOLLOWING UP ON THE STATUS OF ITEMS THAT WERE CHECKED OUT OF THE PROPERTY ROOM BY POLICE OFFICERS, OR IF AN ITEM WAS FOUND TO BE MISSING. IN ADDITION, WHILE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD PROCEDURES TO PERFORM QUARTERLY PROPERTY ROOM AUDITS, THESE COVERED LESS THAN 1% OF HIGH RISK INVENTORY EACH YEAR. FOR THIS REASON, WE RECOMMENDED THAT STAFF DEVELOP PROCESSES TO FOLLOW UP ON CHECKED OUT EVIDENCE ITEMS AND TO INITIATE INVESTIGATIONS IF AN ITEM WAS FOUND MISSING. WE ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT THE DEPARTMENT ENSURE ALL HIGH RISK INVENTORY ITEMS WERE REVIEWED ANNUALLY, AND THAT STAFF KEEP AN UP TO DATE COUNT OF CURRENCY ITEMS STORED IN THE PROPERTY ROOM.

BASED ON OUR REVIEW, WE FOUND THAT THE GENERAL ORDER HAD BEEN UPDATED TO REQUIRE PROPERTY ROOM STAFF TO MAINTAIN A RECORD OF ALL CHECKED OUT ITEMS, AND TO REQUIRE THE PROPERTY ROOM DIVISION SUPERVISOR TO INVESTIGATE ANY MISSING ITEMS. THAT BEING SAID, BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH DIVISION STAFF, THERE'S CURRENTLY NO PROCESS TO REGULARLY FOLLOW UP ON CHECKED OUT EVIDENCE ITEMS DUE TO SYSTEM CAPABILITY LIMITATIONS. STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE PLANNED IMPLEMENTATION OF A NEW RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM MAY ALLOW FOR THEM TO BE RECEIVE NOTIFICATIONS THAT AN ITEM SHOULD BE FOLLOWED UP ON POTENTIALLY FACILITATING THIS PROCESS IN THE FUTURE. IN ADDITION, SINCE THE COMPLETION OF THE ORIGINAL AUDIT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS ADOPTED THE TEXAS POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION'S STANDARDS AND WAS ACCREDITED IN 2022. THESE STANDARDS DO NOT REQUIRE A COMPLETE INVENTORY OF HIGH RISK ITEMS ANNUALLY, BUT INSTEAD ALLOW FOR A LARGE INVENTORY SAMPLE OF OVER 1000 ITEMS TO BE TO BE REVIEWED ANNUALLY. POLICE STAFF COMPLETED THIS ANNUAL INVENTORY LAST IN AUGUST OF 2023, AND HAD AN ACCEPTABLE ERROR RATE PER THE STANDARDS OF 1.6%, ACCORDING TO THE REPORT. ALL ISSUES INITIALLY IDENTIFIED WERE RESOLVED BY THE END OF THE PROCESS. IN ADDITION, THE DEPARTMENT COMPLETED ALL 2023 AND 2024 QUARTERLY INSPECTIONS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW STANDARDS. THE DIVISION IS ALSO NOW ABLE TO PULL A REPORT SHOWING ALL CURRENCY ITEMS FOR THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, THOUGH IT IS NOT ABLE TO KEEP A RUNNING TOTAL OF. THE VALUE OF THESE ITEMS BASED ON AN ONSITE INVENTORY. WE FOUND THAT ALL 41 SAMPLED CURRENCY ITEMS WERE EASILY FOUND. NEXT THE ORIGINAL

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AUDIT FOUND THAT THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROPERTY ROOMS RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, IN WHICH A RECORD OF ALL PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE ITEMS AND THEIR CHAIN OF CUSTODY IS MAINTAINED COULD NOT BE ASSURED. SPECIFICALLY, THIS WAS BECAUSE PROPERTY ROOM TECHNICIANS WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING THE INITIAL RECORD OF ALL PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE ITEMS IN THE SYSTEM, AS WELL AS STORING THEM IN THE EVIDENCE ROOM. THIS ELECTRONIC SEPARATED SEPARATION OF DUTIES ISSUE POTENTIALLY ALLOWED FOR PROPERTY ROOM TECHNICIANS TO TAKE ITEMS BEFORE ENTERING THEM INTO THE SYSTEM, WHILE POLICE OFFICERS DID ALSO CREATE AN INDEPENDENT RECORD OF EACH ITEM. THESE WERE MAINTAINED PHYSICALLY OR IN PDF FORM, MAKING IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO COMPARE THIS INDEPENDENT RECORD TO THE RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. IN ADDITION, THE LEAD PROPERTY ROOM TECHNICIAN HAD THE ABILITY AT THAT TIME TO DELETE RECORDS FROM THE RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, FURTHER DECREASING THE INTEGRIT. BASED ON OUR FOLLOW UP REVIEW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NOW REQUIRES THE SUBMITTING OFFICER TO ELECTRONICALLY CREATE PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE ITEMS IN THE RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, MEANING THAT THE SEPARATION OF DUTIES ISSUE HAS BEEN RESOLVED GREATLY INCREASING THE INTEGRITY OF THE DIVISION'S RECORDS. FURTHER, THE PROPERTY ROOM TECHNICIANS ABILITY TO DELETE RECORDS HAS BEEN REMOVED AND REASSIGNED TO THE PROPERTY ROOM DIVISION SUPERVISOR, WHO DOES NOT HAVE INDEPENDENT PHYSICAL ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY ROOM.

LASTLY, THE ORIGINAL AUDIT FOUND THAT CONTROLS OVER THE DISPOSAL OF HIGH RISK EVIDENCE ITEMS, PARTICULARLY THE ITEMS THAT WERE TO BE DESTROYED, COULD BE IMPROVED. SPECIFICALLY, PROPERTY ROOM STAFF CURRENTLY IDENTIFIED OR PROPERTY ROOM STAFF AT THE TIME IDENTIFIED ITEMS, THAT COULD BE DISPOSED OF WHEN THEY HAD THE TIME. THESE ITEMS ARE THEN PLACED IN SPECIFIC DESTRUCTION BOXES AND ADDED TO A LIST WITH OTHER ITEMS MARKED FOR DESTRUCTION. THE WHICH IS ILLUSTRATED IN THE TOP FIGURE ON THE SLIDE BASED ON OBSERVATIONS DURING THE ORIGINAL AUDIT, THESE DESTRUCTION BOXES WERE LEFT OPEN UNTIL FULL. IN ADDITION, THE LIST OF ITEMS MARKED FOR DESTRUCTION COULD EASILY BE MANIPULATED BECAUSE THEY WERE IN AN EXCEL, AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET, AND THESE TWO ISSUES ALLOWED POTENTIALLY ALLOWED A PROPERTY ROOM TECHNICIAN TO TAKE AN ITEM THAT WAS MARKED FOR DESTRUCTION, WITH LITTLE CHANCE OF IT BEING IDENTIFIED. FOR THIS REASON, WE RECOMMENDED THAT AN INDEPENDENT RECORD OF HIGH RISK ITEMS MARKED FOR DESTRUCTION BE MAINTAINED, AND THAT AN INDEPENDENT WITNESS BE REQUIRED TO VERIFY THAT ALL HIGH RISK ITEMS MARKED FOR DESTRUCTION, WERE IN THE BOXES PRIOR TO THE DESTRUCTION OCCURRING. BASED ON OUR FOLLOW UP REVIEW, WE FOUND THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD UPDATED THE GENERAL ORDERS TO REQUIRE AN INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION OF HIGH RISK ITEMS MARKED FOR DESTRUCTION AND BASED ON A RANDOMLY SELECTED, RANDOM SELECTION OF THREE DESTRUCTION LISTS. ALL HAD BEEN APPROPRIATELY CERTIFIED BY INDEPENDENT WITNESSES. IN ADDITION, THE PROPERTY ROOM DIVISION HAD IMPLEMENTED A TEMPORARY SOLUTION TO DOCUMENT ALL ITEMS MARKED FOR DESTRUCTION ON A PHYSICAL LIST INSTEAD OF ON THE PREVIOUSLY MANIPULATED MANIPULABLE LIST. WHILE PHYSICAL LIST IS STILL ABLE TO BE MANIPULATED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE AN AUDIT TRAIL AS WELL, THE PROCESS TO DO SO IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT THAN THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET. THE BOTTOM FIGURE ON THE SLIDE REPRESENTS THE ITEM DESTRUCTION PROCESS. WITH THESE TWO NEW CONTROLS IN PLACE.

FINALLY, WE FOUND THAT THE CITY HAD BEEN AWARDED HAS BEEN AWARDED A SEXUAL ASSAULT KIT INITIATIVE GRANT TO FUND THE TESTING OF ABOUT 90 SEXUAL ASSAULT KITS THAT HAD NOT BEEN TESTED WHEN THE ORIGINAL AUDIT WAS CONDUCTED. AND ACCORDING TO ALL, THE PROPERTY ROOM STAFF, ALL OF THESE UNTESTED KITS HAVE NOW BEEN SUBMITTED TO A TESTING AGENCY. SO IN SUMMARY, WE FOUND THAT 16 OF THE ORIGINALLY ISSUED 17 RECOMMENDATIONS WERE IMPLEMENTED AND THE ONE REMAINING IMPLEMENTED, ONE REMAINING RECOMMENDATION RELATED TO THE CHECKED OUT EVIDENCE ITEMS, IS IN PROGRESS. BASED ON THESE RESULTS, WE BELIEVE THE RISKS HAVE GENERALLY BEEN ADDRESSED AND PLAN TO CONSIDER THIS AUDIT FORMALLY COMPLETE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. THANK YOU, BACK ON PAGE, PAGE THREE, PROPERTY ROOM ACCESS MONITORING CAMERA VIEWS CAN NO LONGER BE REPOSITIONED. YES. IN THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY ROOM, IT'S NOW BEEN REMODELED, THEY WERE LIKE THOSE LITTLE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A LITTLE CAMERA THAT COULD MOVE AROUND. NOW THEY'RE THE BUBBLE CIRCLES. SO THE FISHEYE LENS, SO THEY CAN'T. THE VIEW IS THE VIEW. IT CAN'T BE MOVED, SO BEFORE WHEN YOU CAN MOVE THEM PROPERTY ROOM TECHNICIAN HAD THE ABILITY TO DO THAT SO THEY COULD MOVE THEM POTENTIALLY GO TAKE SOMETHING, MOVE THEM BACK. YEAH I SEE THANK YOU. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO.

THANK YOU, I WAS READING IN THE BACKUP, THE VARIOUS, THE FREQUENCIES OF AUDIT OF MATERIALS THAT GO ON AND, I GUESS I WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR HOW OFTEN, MATERIALS THAT ARE STORED THERE ARE AUDITED OR, REVIEWED FOR STILL BEING THERE. AND, AND WHO DOES THAT? AND SO IF YOU COULD JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BETTER. YEAH. SO EACH QUARTER, SOMEBODY I BELIEVE IT'S FROM LIKE THE ACCREDITATION AND INDEPENDENT AFFAIRS UNIT, I BELIEVE THAT'S HER NAME. WILL GO

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TO THE PROPERTY ROOM AND THEY DO LIKE A SMALL SAMPLE OF HIGH RISK ITEMS WHERE WHERE THEY'LL PULL SOMETHING FROM THE SYSTEM, MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE ROOM, AND THEN GO TO THE ROOM, PULL SOMETHING AND MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE SYSTEM. THEY DO THAT EVERY QUARTER. AND THEY THEY SEND THAT REPORT TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE, AND THEN ANNUALLY THEY'RE REQUIRED PER THE STANDARD ACCREDITATION STANDARDS, TO DO A MUCH LARGER INVENTORY WHERE THEY TAKE A STATISTICAL SAMPLE, IT'S USUALLY AMOUNTS TO ABOUT 1000 ITEMS, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THOSE HAVE TO BE HIGH RISK. AND THEN THE OTHER IS THE GENERAL POPULATION ITEMS. AND THEY IT'S AGAIN THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY ROOM EVIDENCE CHAIN OF COMMAND. AND THEY DO THAT EVERY YEAR. SO I'M GOING TO JUST REPEAT A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. WE DON'T ACTUALLY AUDIT INDIVIDUAL ITEMS AND THEN UPDATE THE DATABASE. WE, WE DO A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE THAT WE IN ORDER TO BE EFFICIENT AND SAVE TIME. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ITEMS THAT WERE NOT, ACTUALLY RANDOMLY SELECTED FOR, FOR AUDIT. THEY JUST HAVE NO NOTATION IN THEIR, IN THE DATABASE. I MEAN, THEY ARE IN THE DATABASE, BUT THEY ARE NOT CHECKED OR VERIFIED THAT THEY'RE THERE AS PART OF THE THOSE PROCEDURES. IF YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT HOW OFTEN WE CHECK ON, LIKE SHOULD WE DISPOSE OF THIS ITEM, I BELIEVE THAT THE PROPERTY ROOM STAFF DO THAT AS THEY HAVE TIME, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU'RE VERY GOOD, BECAUSE THAT'S SORT OF WHERE I WAS GOING NEXT IS OTHERWISE IF WE'RE NOT CHECKING IF WE HAVE A THING OR NOT AND WHETHER IT SHOULD BE RELEASED OR DESTROYED, THEN THEN WE COULD HAVE IT FOREVER. SO I'M GLAD YOU WERE RIGHT THERE WITH ME. SO THAT'S A SEPARATE PROCESS. YES. OKAY. AND THAT'S DONE BY THE PROPERTY ROOM STAFF THEMSELVES. AND DO WE HAVE A FREQUENCY ON THAT AS THEY HAVE TIME IS MY UNDERSTANDING OKAY.

SO IT COULD GIVEN THE NUMBER OF ITEMS IN THE IN THE PROPERTY ROOM, IT COULD BE A WHILE BEFORE THEY GET AROUND TO CORRECT. AND SOME ITEMS OR DESTROYING IT. CORRECT. AND SOME ITEMS WERE JUST NOT ALLOWED TO RELEASE DUE TO THE DESTRUCTION ONLY. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THERE WILL BE CONTROLLED MATERIALS, RIGHT? OKAY, DO WE DO YOU HAVE A RANGE FOR HOW LONG? THAT IS FOR, FOR, FOR THAT SORT OF THING. I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE RANDOMLY SELECTING AN AUDIT EVERY, EVERY PERIOD OF TIME, BUT, I MEAN, DO WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE LIFETIME OF AN ITEM? IS IT, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS, 20 YEARS? YEAH AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE ARE KIND OF TWO FOR TWO SEPARATE PURPOSES. THE INVENTORIES THAT ARE BEING CONDUCTED BY THE, BY THE ACCREDITATION UNIT, ARE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RECORDS, THE INTEGRITY, THE INTEGRITY OF THE RECORDS ARE MAINTAINED AND BASICALLY WHEREAS GOING THROUGH AND MAKING SURE LIKE, HEY, WE STILL HAVE THIS BACKPACK, IS IT STILL PART OF AN ONGOING CASE? DO WE NEED TO GET IT DISPOSED OF? THAT'S A SEPARATE THAT'S JUST LIKE MANAGEMENT OF THE RIGHT. SO JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. AND I'M FAIRLY I'M I APPRECIATE YOU I AM CONFLATING THE TWO. SO AND SO I WOULD HAVE TO GO LOOK AT THE RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO FIGURE OUT HOW LONG AN ITEM HAS BEEN IN STORAGE. BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY WE CAN SAY, WELL, IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS LONGER THAN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BECAUSE UNTIL THEY GO AND BASICALLY LOOK AT THE CASE, THEY HAVE TO DO RESEARCH TO FIGURE OUT IS THE CASE RESOLVED. IF IT IS, WE NEED TO GO ASK A JUDGE TO DISPOSE OF IT IN SOME MANNER. ALSO, THERE'S A PROPERTY THAT IS JUST FOUND, AND IF NOBODY COMES TO PICK IT UP, WE JUST HAVE IT. AND WE STILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WE HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT AS WELL, WE CAN PROBABLY GET THAT INFORMATION, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT. NO, I AT THIS TIME, I'M NOT ASKING FOR THAT. AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EDUCATION ON THE FINE DETAILS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE? I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS BASED OFF OF YOUR RESPONSES TO DOCTOR BECK, BUT WHEN THE WHEN THE AUDIT PROCESS HAPPENS QUARTERLY, THE ITEMS THAT ARE SELECTED, ARE THEY SELECTED AT RANDOM? YES. I BELIEVE SO. OKAY, AND THE PROPERTY TECHNICIAN, IS THAT A SWORN OFFICER OR IS THAT A CIVILIAN? A CIVILIAN? OKAY THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. OKAY, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE SPACE CAPACITY IN THE EVIDENCE ROOM, OR IS THAT NOT SOMETHING YOU COULD SPEAK T, I DON'T KNOW. THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. SOMEBODY MIGHT. I KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN EXPANDED, THERE ARE UNIQUE STORAGE AREAS FOR HIGH RISK ITEMS NOW WHERE THERE WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH I SHOULD SAY, SINCE IT IS A SECURE AREA, DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? JUST AROUND CAPACITY. RIGHT. LIKE IF YOU'RE

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ORGANIZING, HAVING SPACE BEFORE, THERE'S A LOT. AND IT WAS HARD TO DISCERN WHAT WAS WHERE. SO JUST MAKING SURE WE HAVE ADEQUATE SPACE. YEAH DEPUTY CHIEF MIKE CHRISTIAN WITH THE PD. I'M OVER THAT AREA BASICALLY WITH THE EVIDENCE AREA. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT WE BUILT A WHOLE NEW AREA. IT'S GREAT AND IT'S VERY NICE, BUT WE ARE ALMOST TO CAPACITY AT THAT AREA NOW. THE CITY HAS JUST BUILT ON THE VERY END OF THE TRAINING CENTER. THERE WAS A LITTLE BLANK AREA, IF YOU WILL. THEY HAVE JUST CONVERTED THAT INTO AN OVERFLOW AREA. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO OVERFLOW SOME OF OUR LONG TERM STUFF. ANYTHING INVOLVING LIKE SEXUAL ASSAULT, HOMICIDE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE HAVE TO KEEP FOREVER. RIGHT. SO AT SOME POINT THAT STUFF STARTS TO BUILD UP. AND SO WE'VE GOT THAT OVERFLOW AREA, WHICH IS GOING TO BE SUPER HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO PUT THOSE THINGS IN THAT AREA AND KIND OF FREE UP SOME SPACE IN OUR NEW AREA. THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY FULL TO THE MAX AT THIS POINT. OKAY IT'S GOING TO HELP US FOR A LITTLE BIT. OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding Audit Project 024 - Emergency Medical Services: Ambulance Billing Follow-Up Review. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 15 minutes]]

TAKES US TO ITEM B ID 24254 RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING AUDIT PROJECT 024 EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, AMBULANCE BILLING. FOLLOW UP REVIEW. ALL RIGHT, I'M MADISON RAUSCH. I'M STILL YOUR DENTON CITY AUDITOR. I'M GOING TO PRESENT THIS FOLLOW UP OF THE AUDIT PROJECT AS WELL, SO THIS REVIEW WAS BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND MANAGEMENT RESPONSES ORIGINALLY COMPILED IN THE AUDIT OF EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES AMBULANCE BILLING, WHICH WAS ISSUED IN NOVEMBER OF 2021. THE AUDIT OF EMS, AMBULANCE BILLING EVALUATED THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE CITY'S EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, AMBULANCE BILLING, ADMINISTRATION PROCESSES, INCLUDING FEE STRUCTURE AND VENDOR PAYMENTS. THE CITY HAS COLLECTED ABOUT $4 MILLION IN REVENUE FROM AMBULANCE SERVICE FEES OVER THE LAST FIVE FISCAL YEARS. THIS AUDIT FOLLOW UP FOUND IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO PATIENT BILLING AND EMS BILLING VENDOR PAYMENT PROCESSES. THOUGH A COMPLETED EMS COST OF SERVICE STUDY HAS NOT YET BEEN PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR DIRECTION. AS A QUICK OVERVIEW. WHEN EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES RESPONDS TO A CALL, THEY CREATE A PATIENT CARE REPORT, OR PCR THAT DOCUMENTS THE SERVICES PROVIDED TO THE PATIENT. THE PCR IS ENCODED BY THE CITY'S EMS BILLING VENDOR, WHO THEN BILLS THE PATIENT AND THEIR INSURANCE. IF POSSIBLE. FOR THOSE SERVICES, PAYMENTS ARE THEN SUBMITTED DIRECTLY TO THE CITY'S BANK ACCOUNT OR TO THEIR BANK AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL AUDIT, WE FOUND THAT PCR WERE EFFECTIVELY DOCUMENTED, THOUGH WE RECOMMENDED THAT ANY DELETED PCR BE PERIODICALLY REVIEWED JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS NO THEY WEREN'T DOING SO ON ACCIDENT. IN ADDITION, WE FOUND THAT BILLING AND PAYMENT PROCESSING DUTIES WERE APPROPRIATELY SEPARATED AND THAT PAYMENTS WERE GENERALLY PROCESSED APPROPRIATELY. THOUGH THERE WERE A FEW ISSUES NOTED WITH SOME ACCOUNT BALANCES. SINCE THE ORIGINAL AUDIT, FIRE MANAGEMENT HAS BEGUN PERIODICALLY CHECKING THE PCR DELETION LOG AND HAS CREATED SEVERAL STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES DOCUMENTING HOW TO PROCESS PAYMENTS BILLED BY PREVIOUS EMS BILLING VENDORS AND TO RECONCILE VENDOR PAYMENTS TO ACTUAL REVENUE RECEIVED. IN ADDITION, THE CITY HAS CONTRACTED WITH A NEW EMS BILLING VENDOR SINCE THE ORIGINAL AUDIT, HELPING TO RESOLVE THE CAUSE OF SOME OF THE FEW. THE ACCOUNT BALANCE ISSUES THAT WE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY. IN ADDITION, THE CURRENT VENDOR HAS AGREED TO ANNUALLY PROVIDE INFORMATION RELATED TO ITS INTERNAL CONTROL EFFECTIVENESS THROUGH A SOC2 REPORT HELPING THE CITY TO ENSURE THAT IT'S BEING ADEQUATELY SERVED. NEXT, THE CITY OF DENTON'S CODE OF ORDINANCES REQUIRES THE CITY TO CHARGE FEES FOR AMBULANCE BILLING SERVICES OR, YES, EMERGENCY AMBULANCE SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED. DURING THE ORIGINAL AUDIT, WE FOUND THAT RATES THE RATES CHARGED FOR EMERGENCY MEDICAL TRANSPORT HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE AT LEAST 2010, AND THERE WAS NOT A DOCUMENTED PROCEDURES OR COST RECOUPMENT GOALS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT FEE SCHEDULE IN ADDITION, WE FOUND THAT THE CITY'S PREVIOUS VENDOR WAS NOT CLEARLY COMMUNICATING OR REPORTING AVAILABLE. PAYMENT PLAN OPTIONS TO PATIENTS. THE CITY'S NEW EMS BILLING VENDOR INCLUDES INFORMATION ABOUT PAYMENT PLANS ON THE SECOND BILL, AND ARE ABLE TO ADEQUATELY REPORT PAYMENT PLAN INFORMATION TO THE CITY. HOWEVER PAYMENT PLAN INFORMATION AND AVAILABLE OPTIONS COULD BE MADE CLEARER ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. FINALLY, THE CITY HIRED A CONSULTANT TO PERFORM AN EMS FEE STUDY OR COST OF SERVICE STUDY IN 2022, AND THIS STUDY FOUND THAT THE CITY IS GENERALLY UNDER RECOVERING ITS COSTS FOR THE MOST SIGNIFICANT EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES IT PROVIDES, AS SHOWN IN THE TABLE. HOWEVER, THIS INFORMATION HAS NOT YET BEEN USED TO UPDATE THE EMS FEE SCHEDULE. THE EMS FEES. ACCORDING TO STAFF, THIS WAS DUE TO TURNOVER ISSUES, AND FINANCE AND FIRE ARE NOW IN THE PROCESS OF DETERMINING HOW THE STUDY CAN BE USED TO INFORM EMS RATES GOING FORWARD. SO, IN SUMMARY, WE FOUND THAT EIGHT OF THE NINE ORIGINALLY ISSUED RECOMMENDATIONS ARE NOW IMPLEMENTED WITH ONE THE ONE RECOMMENDATION RELATED TO EMS FEE STRUCTURE BEING IN PROGRESS. WE PLAN TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS

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RECOMMENDATION IN AN INFORMAL FOLLOW UP REVIEW IN THE FUTURE. OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX, THIS IS NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION. IT'S JUST A STATEMENT.

I JUST WANT TO SAY HOW GRATEFUL I AM TO HAVE YOU IN THIS POSITION, AND HOW GRATEFUL I AM THAT WE HAVE AN INTERNAL AUDITOR. AND I THINK THAT TODAY IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY IT IS NEEDED. THE FACT THAT WE WERE RECOVERING 12% OF THOSE EMS COSTS WHEN THE TYPICAL RECOUP IS 25 TO 50%, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE PAYMENT PLAN COMING OUT ON THAT SECOND BILL IS SOMETHING THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY FINDINGS YOU HAD MADE, OR SOMETHING THAT THIS NEW OUTSIDE VENDOR WAS CHOOSING. BUT I MEAN, THE CURRENT RATE WAS JUST UNACCEPTABLE AND KIND OF CRAZY TO THINK ABOUT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STUCK OUT TO ME WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THE WORK IN PREPARATION FOR TODAY'S HEARING. BUT HEARING SORRY, I'M USED TO BEING AT WORK TO TODAY'S MEETIN, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD WORK AND SHINING A LIGHT ON JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT NOT EVERYONE CAN PAY ATTENTION TO EVERY SINGLE THING. AND SO THIS KIND OF PROCESS IS SO HELPFUL AND FASCINATING. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR TAKING YOUR TIME. OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. THREE. TWO. I'M SORRY. YEAH MULTITASKING. THERE WE GO. NO, I, I WANT TO SECOND THAT. I MEAN, I THINK ALL OF COUNCIL PRAISES YOU ALL THE TIME BECAUSE AUDITING HONESTLY MAKES ALL OF OUR JOBS SO MUCH EASIER. SO WE START WITH REALLY GOOD BASE DATA. SO WE'RE HONESTLY EVERYONE REALLY APPRECIATES THE AUDIT OFFICE EFFORTS ON THIS, I DO SORT OF HAVE A THE, THE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT TAKE ON IT. IF WE'RE SO BUT LET ME ASK THIS IN A, IN A FORM OF A QUESTION. THE MOST WE, WE HAD BEEN COLLECTING 12% OR WAS THAT, WAS THAT WHAT WE WERE TARGETING OR WHAT WE WERE COLLECTING? I WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR ON THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE COLLECTING. WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A RECRUIT. OUR FEES ARE NOT CURRENTLY BASED ON A RECRUITMENT GOAL, SO WE DON'T HAVE A COST RECOVERY SET POINT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AT THIS POINT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND I MEAN, AND DO WE KNOW IF THAT'S ON THE HORIZON OR THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION? IT WASN'T NECESSARILY WE SHOULD BE HITTING THIS PERCENTAGE. THE RECOMMENDATION WAS WE SHOULD HAVE A GOAL THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THE GOAL, THE GOAL OF WHETHER IT'S 12 OR 20 5 OR 50 OR WHATEVER HAS NOT BEEN SET. CORRECT. THAT'S A COUNCIL DECISION. YEAH. I WAS A LITTLE UNSURE. AND THE OTHER THING I, I DO WANT TO MENTION IS, WE AS WE I'M SO I'M GLAD FOR THE CLARITY BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO ASK, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE COLLECTING DESIRING TO COLLECT A 25, THAT FEE STRUCTURE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THE 800 AND CHANGE FOR EVERY ITEM, IS BEYOND THE MEANS OF SOME OF OUR VULNERABLE POPULATIONS WHO ALSO DON'T HAVE INDIVIDUAL INSURANCE, WHEREAS THOSE WITH INSURANCE ARE PROBABLY. HAVING THAT COVERED IS WHAT I READ IN YOUR SECOND SLIDE. SO THERE IS A DISPARITY THAT WILL WILL NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF AND AWARE OF AS WE AS WE SET THAT COST RECOVERY LEVEL. AND SO I'M KIND OF PUTTING A PIN IN IT HERE THAT WE, WE DON'T FORGET THAT WHEN WE DO SET THAT THAT FEE STRUCTURE IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR? I APPRECIATE THE AUDIT. I ALSO APPRECIATE HAVING SOMEBODY THAT ANSWERS THE TELEPHONE WHEN I CALL 911, IT'S A IT'S VERY COMFORTING TO HAVE SUCH A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE. MY QUESTION IS WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS FOR AN AMBULANCE AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THAT CALL WAS INAPPROPRIATE, SIMPLY NOT NEEDED FROM A BILLING STANDPOINT. WHAT HAPPENS AT THAT POINT, I WOULD I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THIS AUDIT. THE FIRE CHIEF MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOU. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A FEE FOR THAT, BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN. AS FIRE CHIEF. SO IN REGARD TO YOUR QUESTION, IT REALLY BASED ON THE SITUATION, IF THERE'S NO MEDICAL EMERGENCY FOUND, THAT'S PROBABLY WHEN IT GOES INTO A DELETION LOG. SO WE MAY HAVE STARTED A PATIENT CARE REPORT BUT CAN'T COME FIND OUT THERE WAS NO EMERGENCY. SO THAT'S WHEN WE ACTUALLY DELETE THAT PATIENT CARE REPORT. AND WE DO HAVE CHARGES AND FEES SET FOR DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. IF WE DO NOT TRANSPORT A PATIENT, FOR INSTANCE. BUT WE DO DELIVER EITHER BASIC LIFE SUPPORT OR ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT, THERE IS A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND THAT DOES GENERATE A PATIENT CARE REPORT. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES. THANK YOU. OKAY REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. IS THIS THE FIRST AUDIT OF EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES? THIS IS THE FIRST FOLLOW UP REVIEW OF THE AUDIT, WHICH WAS PERFORMED IN NOVEMBER OF 2021. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WAS THAT THE FIRST AUDIT? YES.

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THE AUDIT OFFICE DIDN'T EXIST FOR UNTIL 2018 ISH. IF THAT HELPS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS SEEING NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU, THAT TAKES

[C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the Value of Solar Study. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

US TO ITEM C, ID 241341. RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE VALUE OF SOLAR STUDY.

BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, I HAVE HOUSE CLEANING TO DO, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, DID YOU RECEIVE ANY RECUSALS FOR THIS ITEM? NO, SIR. OKAY I'M GOING TO ASK REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO YOU JUST TO CONFIRM YOU WERE MADE AWARE OF THE ETHICS BOARD'S, ADVISORY OPINION. I WAS MADE AWARE THAT. OH, I WAS MADE AWARE OF YOUR REQUEST TO THE BOARD OF ETHICS. YES. WELL, DID YOU NOT RECEIVE THE ADVISORY OPINION? I RECEIVED THE OPINION. OKAY AND SO ARE YOU RECUSING? NO, I'M NOT. AND YOU DO HAVE SOLAR ON YOUR HOME. I DO. OKAY, GREAT. SO, BILLY IN THE CONTROL ROOM, IF YOU COULD, CLIP THIS SEGMENT OF THE VIDEO AND EMAIL IT TO ME, I'LL NEED THAT. AND I'LL FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ME FIRST. WELL, LET ME DO IT IN ORDER. LET ME GET THERE. BEAR WITH ME. NO WHAT I'M REFERRING TO IS MY QUESTION ON IF SOMEONE HAS SOLAR. THIS IS A PUBLIC RECORD. ANYONE CAN PULL IT. IT IS DATED SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2024.

DIRECTED TO ME ADVISORY OPINION FROM A SUBSET OF OUR ETHICS BOARD. AND I'LL GO STRAIGHT TO THE SECOND ANSWER THAT THEY PROVIDED. NUMBER TWO, AND I QUOTE WHAT MAYOR HUDSPETH PARTICIPATE TO PARTICIPATING IN A DELIBERATION ON AN ITEM INVOLVING THE CITY OF DENTON'S SOLAR PROGRAM BE CONSIDERED IMPROPER USE OF INFLUENCE PER THE ETHICS ORDINANCE. THE ADVISORY PANEL PANEL CONSIDERED THE CONSIDERED DENTON ETHICS ORDINANCE SECTION 2-273 PROHIBITIONS E PROPER INFLUENCE TO GRANT ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATION, TREATMENT, AND ADVANTAGE TO ANY CITIZEN, INDIVIDUAL, BUSINESS, ORGANIZATION, OR GROUP BEYOND THAT WHICH IT IS NORMALLY AVAILABLE TO EVERY OTHER CITIZEN, INDIVIDUAL, BUSINESS, ORGANIZATION OR GROUP AND FOUND THAT WHERE FOUND THAT THERE WOULD BE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE IMPROPER INFLUENCE. IF MAYOR HUDSPETH PARTICIPATED IN THE DELIBERATIONS REGARDING A VALUE OF SOLAR STUDY. I DO NOT HAVE SOLAR ON MY HOME, BUT I ASK THE QUESTION AND SO THE ANSWER IS IF YOU HAVE SOLAR, APPLYING IT EQUALLY TO THE BODY, THAT YES, YOU SHOULD. THEY DO FIND THAT IMPROPER INFLUENCE. AND THEN I'LL TAKE YOU TO SECTION 2.-272 OF OUR ETHICS ORDINANCE. AND THAT CAN BE FOUND ONLINE. IT'S A PDF AND IT MANDATES SECTION A DUTY TO REPORT. AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE DUTY TO REPORT VIOLATIONS. AND SO, FOR THE PURPOSE OF TRANSPARENCY, I'LL FOLLOW THIS MEETING WITH THAT. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO BECAUSE IT SAYS SHALL IT DOES NOT. AND LET'S MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT. SO LET ME GET THERE. THIS IS THE ETHICS ORDINANCE. IT'S A 126 PAGE DOCUMENT. I'M GOING TO FAST FORWARD TO PAGE. OH I CLIPPED IT. LET ME JUST DO THIS. THANK YOU. PAGE FIVE OF 21 ACTUALLY IN THIS PDF, IT'S SECTION 2-272 MANDATES DUTY TO REPORT CITY OFFICIALS SHALL REPORT ANY CONDUCT THAT A PERSON KNOWS TO BE IN VIOLATION OF THIS ARTICLE. FAILURE TO REPORT A VIOLATION OF THIS ARTICLE IS A VIOLATION OF THIS ARTICLE. FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION, SUBMITTAL OF A COMPLAINT OR A REPORT MADE TO A FRAUD, WASTE, OR ABUSE HOTLINE SHALL BE CONSIDERED TO BE A REPORT UNDER THIS SECTION. A REPORT TO THE HOTLINE MAY REMAIN ANONYMOUS UNLESS DISCLOSED BY THE CALLER, SO, BY OUR

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ORDINANCE, I'M GOING TO ACT ACCORDINGLY. SO JUST NEEDED TO HAVE THAT DOCUMENTED. SO WITH THAT. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. THANK YOU. SO MUCH, I APPRECIATE THE BACKGROUND BECAUSE WHEN WE GOT THIS, I WASN'T SURE WHERE WE CAME ON THIS. MAYOR, ARE YOU PLANNING ON RECUSING? NO, SIR, BUT WHY NOT? I DON'T HAVE SOLAR. OKAY. LOOKING AT THAT SAME DOCUMENT, ADVISORY OPINION, BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON AUGUST 30TH, 2024, THE CITY AUDITOR RECEIVED AN ADVISORY OPINION REQUEST FROM MAYOR JERROD HUDSPETH REGARDING POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND IMPROPER USE OF INFLUENCE. APPLICABILITY. ACCORDING TO THE MAYOR, HE CURRENTLY HAS SOLAR PANELS ON HIS HOME, AND SO, IT SAYS YOU HAVE SOLAR. SO WHICH IS IT? YOU GOT THEM OR YOU GOT OR YOU DON'T. RIGHT. I'M HAPPY TO FORWARD YOU. IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD. YOU CAN PULL THE EMAIL, I CAN SEND IT TO YOU. BUT I'M READING IT. RIGHT. BUT I'M TRYING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. IF YOU'D LET ME. OKAY. SO THE ANSWER IS I DON'T HAVE SOLAR. I CORRECTED THAT WHEN I READ IT. WHEN I FIRST RECEIVED THE REPORT FROM MADISON, I SAID, HEY, I DON'T HAVE SOLAR. YOU MISUNDERSTOOD MY ORIGINAL EMAIL. YOU CAN PULL THE ORIGINAL EMAIL, READ IT FOR YOURSELF. EITHER WAY, IT'S CONSISTENT THAT WAY. AND EITHER WAY YOU CAN GO TO GOOGLE MAPS AND YOU CAN PULL UP HIS ADDRESS AND YOU PULL UP MY ADDRESS. YOU CAN PULL UP ANYONE'S ADDRESS AND YOU CAN SEE FOR YOURSELF. SO YOU CAN VERIFY IT INDEPENDENTLY WITH GOOGLE MAPS, YOU CAN READ THE EMAILS OR YOU CAN TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. EITHER WAY, ALL THOSE ANSWERS ARE CONSISTENT. I MIGHT DO THAT. CAN YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? CERTAINLY 606 WILSON STREET. IT'S ALL ON THE IT'S ALL I CAN I CAN READ EVERYBODY'S IT'S ON THE WEBSITE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. YEAH I APPRECIATE THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE COUNCILOR MCGEE BRINGING UP THAT POINT. IT'S CLEAR IN THE BOARD OF ETHICS REVIEW THEY THOUGHT THAT IN THEIR RESPONSE THAT YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT YOUR SOLAR PANELS ON YOUR HOUSE AND WHETHER YOU SHOULD RECUSE NOW, I'M OF THE OPINION. SO THERE IS AN INDICATION THAT THERE WAS AT AT MINIMUM, A MISCOMMUNICATION. MAXIMUM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, SO THEY MADE THAT CALL. NOW I WILL SAY I'M AWARE OF THEIR ADVISORY OPINION AND IT'S A NON-BINDING ADVISORY OPINION.

AND IN REVIEWING THE MATERIALS ON THE BINDING OPINION OR IN THE NON-BINDING OPINION, IT WAS IT WAS CLEAR THAT THEY HAD NO, THEY HAD NOT BEEN UPDATED ON THE DETAILS AND INTRICACIES OF SOLAR BUILDING BILLING IN THE CITY OF DENTON. WHAT IS INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS? WHO BUILDS WHAT, WHETHER IT'S OPEN TO ALL. NONE OF THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THEM. AND SO THEY MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON LIMITED INFORMATION. THEY MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT YOURSELF, SO, THE DISCUSSION HERE FOR THE VALUE OF SOLAR REVOLVES AROUND INCREASING PARTICIPATION TO A PROGRAM THAT IS A CITY WIDE PROGRAM OPEN TO EVERY SINGLE DAY AT NIGHT AND AS NEEDED. AND IF CALLED TO, I AM HAPPY TO ENGAGE WITH THE BOARD AND EDUCATE THEM AND SUPPLY ANY NEEDED INFORMATION THAT THEY WERE WANTING WHEN THEY MADE THAT OPINION. SO, I, I LOOK FORWARD TO AS NEEDED DISCUSSING THIS WITH THE BOARD. OKAY AND I'LL JUST STATE FOR THE RECORD SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR. I DON'T THINK THAT THE ETHICS BOARD, NOT NOT ONE PERSON ON THAT ETHICS BOARD, WOULD MAKE A DECISION DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN ANY COUNCIL MEMBER. I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE TRUE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE THEIR MORAL COMPASS OR THAT WOULD GUIDE THEIR DECISION. SO I, I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. A COUPLE OF PEOPLE SAID THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT ME. SO THEN THAT LENDS ITSELF TO FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE A LOGICAL LEAP THAT, OH WELL, IT'S DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

I DON'T THINK THAT TO BE THE CASE. THE ORDINANCES, THE RAW LAWS, THE RULES ARE FOR ALL APPLIED EVENLY IN THEIR IN THEIR ESTIMATION, I WOULD I WOULD SURMISE THAT'S THAT GROUP'S MISSION. AND I BELIEVE THEY HOLD HOLD CLOSE TO THAT. AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. SO WITH THAT TONY, HOLD ON, TONY, REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH, I WONDER IF, MADISON IS STILL AVAILABLE AND COULD HELP ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROCESS, KRISTA, CAN YOU GIVE. SHE'S STILL HERE. SO DO YOU MIN? IF SHE WALKS AWAY. SHE'S READ UP

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ON IT. YEAH, YEAH. SHE'S HAVING A MARTINI. LIKE SHE'S DONE. ARE WE GETTING MARTINIS? NO. GOOD.

CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T SEE THAT. I OKAY, HERE SHE COMES ANYWAY. SHE COULD ALWAYS. OH, NO. I APOLOGIZE. YEAH. NO PROBLEM, NO PROBLEM. RESIDENTS FROM DISTRICT THREE, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR? YEAH SO I WANT TO ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ETHICS PROCESS, THERE'S AN ETHICS COMPLAINT PROCESS. I THINK I PROBABLY KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN ANYONE IN THIS ROOM. SHORT OF YOU, WHERE YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE SIDE, YOU KNOW, YOUR SIDE. IF SOMEONE HAS A COMPLAINT AGAINST YOU AND THAT'S ALL EVALUATED, AND THEN THERE'S THE ADVISORY OPINION. CORRECT. AND MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, IS THE ADVISORY OPINION MEANT TO BE, TO ASK ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE'S AFFAIRS WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEIR OWN CASE? OR IS IT SOMETHING WHERE THE COUNCIL MEMBER ASKS ABOUT THEIR OWN SITUATION FOR PURPOSES OF ADVICE TO THEMSELVES? SO THE ORDINANCE STATES THAT A CITY OFFICIAL CAN REQUEST AN ADVISORY OPINION ON AN ISSUE OF ESSENTIALLY HOW IT APPLIES. THE ORDINANCE APPLIES TO A POTENTIAL SITUATION. IT DOES NOT CLARIFY, THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT SITUATION OCCURRING TO YOU NECESSARILY CAN JUST BE A HYPOTHETICAL, IT AN ADVISORY OPINION IS REALLY ONLY USEFUL TO THE PERSON WHO REQUESTED IT. IF THEY TELL YOU THAT WHAT THE CONTACT CONTACT CONDUCT SORRY THAT YOU PUT IN THAT YOU ASKED IF IT WAS OKAY TO DO WAS OKAY TO DO, BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN SAY I ASKED IF IT WAS OKAY IN RESPONSE TO AN ETHICS COMPLAINT, AND THEY TOLD ME YES. SO YOU CAN USE IT AS A DEFENSE TO AN ETHICS COMPLAINT ESSENTIALLY, IF YOU REQUESTED IT AND RELIED ON IT.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M BEING TOLD WE'RE OFF POSTING. RIGHT. WE'RE DELVING NOW INTO THE INTRICACIES OF THE PROCESS ON REQUESTING ADVISORY OPINIONS AND HOW THAT PLAYS OUT. WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT VALUE OF SOLAR. SO IF THERE'S LIMITED CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW THAT RELATES TO THE VALUE OF SOLAR, WHAT WE'RE HERE TODAY. BUT TO GET INTO A CONVERSATION JUST ABOUT WHAT THE PROCESS IS AND HOW THAT GOES IS WAY OFF. POSTING THE VALUE OF SOLAR. EXCEPT I'M ASKING ABOUT IT SPECIFICALLY AS IT APPLIES TO, AN ADVISORY OPINION ABOUT THE VALUE OF SOLAR. GOT THE WORDS I'VE HEARD? YEAH, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT YET. OKAY SO OKAY, I TAKE I STAND CORRECTED.

YOU JUST DID. NOW RIGHT? I'M ASKING HOW THIS APPLIES TO THE OPINION REQUESTED ABOUT THE VALUE OF VALUE OF SOLAR AND, AND DOES IT ALSO SAY SOMEWHERE IN THE, I THINK IN THE PREAMBLE OR MAYBE IT'S IN THE, ENABLING ORDINANCE BEFORE THE ETHICS ORDINANCE ITSELF, THAT IT'S NOT TO BE USED. I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT WORDS, BUT AS, KIND OF A POLITICALLY WEAPONIZED TOOL, IT MIGHT I'D HAVE TO GO. LOOK, I KNOW THAT THERE IS A SECTION AT THE BEGINNING CALLED EXPECTATIONS THAT LISTS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE SIMILAR TO THAT, IF THAT IS, I HAVE TO GO. LOOK, I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IN THIS CASE WHERE THE VALUE OF SOLAR, I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GREAT THAT SOMEONE SEEKS AN OPINION THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. BUT IF IT'S TO IF IT'S TO TRY TO MAKE SOME KIND OF AN ATTACK OR CAST ASPERSIONS ON SOMEONE ELSE, THEN THAT IT'S KIND OF SKIRTING THE ESTABLISHED PROCESS, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE MAY BE COMING ANYWAY, BUT WHICH IS THE COMPLAINT WHERE BOTH SIDES GET TO STATE THEIR CASE. SO THAT'S

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MY OBSERVATION ABOUT THE VALUE OF SOLAR, ADVISORY OPINION. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? TONY? LET'S GO. THANK YOU. MADISON. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, TONY PUENTE, THE GENERAL MANAGER. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY ON THIS TOPIC. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO BE AS EFFICIENT AS WE CAN.

AND BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO OUR CONSULTANT, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE FOR YOU, AND THIS IS PRIMARILY AS A RESULT OF SOME PHONE CALLS THAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM SOME CUSTOMERS. I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION. SO I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR, FOR YOU AND ALSO FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. SO, SO THE DIFFERENTIAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING TO YOU TODAY, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING AND WHAT THE CONSULTANT HAS RECOMMENDED WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDED TO HEAR LATER. ABOUT $460,000, THERE IS NO FEDERAL DOLLARS. THERE IS NO GRANT. THERE IS NO OTHER POT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE UTILIZING FOR THAT PURPOSE. RIGHT? ALL OF THAT MONEY IS COMING FROM OTHER RATEPAYERS, OTHER DME RATEPAYERS THAT DO NOT HAVE ROOFTOP SOLAR.

AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION. I THINK THE CONFUSION REALLY CENTERS AROUND THE FACT THAT THERE IS A 30% FEDERAL TAX CREDIT THAT PEOPLE GET. AND SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR YOU, THE OTHER THING, TOO, THAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY IS THAT, DME LIKE MANY OF OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND UTILITIES, CUSTOMARILY DO COST OF SERVICE STUDIES EVERY FIVE YEARS. AND SO THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER STUDY THAT WE WOULD ROLL INTO OUR COST OF SERVICE STUDY. SO EVERY FIVE YEARS IN THEORY WE WOULD REVISIT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THE OUTCOME OF THE STUDY. SO WHATEVER DECISION YOU MAKE TODAY, IN FIVE YEARS, IN THEORY, WE WOULD COME BACK AND HAVE A VERY SIMILAR DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME, AND THEN FINALLY, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, THIS IS NOW THE THIRD YEAR THAT WE COME AND HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCIL. INITIALLY, THE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY WAS PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE OF FIXED COSTS FOR THE POLES AND WIRES AND, AND PERSONNEL THAT IT TAKES TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO ALL CUSTOMERS, WHETHER THEY HAVE ROOFTOP SOLAR OR NOT. AND SO AS A RESULT OF REALLY THE CHALLENGE IN TRYING TO BRING THAT FORWARD, WE COMMISSIONED A STUDY. AND SO WE HIRED A FIRM THAT THE CITY ALREADY DOES BUSINESS WITH. JILL SCHUPAK THAT I'LL INTRODUCE IN A SECOND, WORKED FOR A FIRM CALLED NUGEN STRATEGIES. NUGEN STRATEGIES HAS DONE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COST OF SERVICE STUDIES FOR THE CITY. COST ALLOCATION STUDIES, FEE STUDIES. AND SO THERE'S CERTAINLY A VERY REPUTABLE FIRM. AND THEY'RE A FIRM THAT THAT WE GENERALLY USE FOR THESE TYPES OF STUDIES. IN ADDITION, THEY THEY WERE ALSO THE FIRM THAT THIS VERY SIMILAR STUDY FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN FOR AUSTIN ENERGY. AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I, THAT I CLARIFY THAT WITH YOU, AND WITH THAT, WITH THAT, WITH THAT, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE JILL SCHUPAK WITH NUGENT STRATEGIES. SHE'LL GO THROUGH THROUGH THE BULK OF THE PRESENTATION. CERTAINLY. WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. AND, AND THEN BILL SHEPHERD WILL COME UP HERE AND TRY TO WRAP IT UP AND THEN ASK FOR DIRECTION. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. OOPS. OH. HOLD ON.

KEYBOARD. OKAY, SO AS TONY SAID, THE FOCUS OF TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS HOW MUCH IS DENTON GOING TO COMPENSATE CUSTOMERS THAT OWN SOLAR AND ARE SELLING SOLAR ENERGY BACK TO THE UTILITY? WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE METHODOLOGY, THE FINDINGS AND RESULTS OF THE STUDY, HOW IT IMPACTS BILLS. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON IF THOSE RATES ARE APPROVED, AND THEN ANSWER ANY. OKAY, SO THE VALUE F SOLAR AS WE SAID, IS VALUING THE KILOWATT HOURS THAT THE CUSTOMERS SELLS BACK TO THE UTILITY. THERE ARE THREE MAIN COMPONENTS OF IT THAT WE LOOKED AT IN THIS STUDY. THE FIRST ONE IS AVOIDED COSTS. THE SECOND ONE IS SOCIETAL BENEFITS, WHICH PUTS A VALUE ON NOT NOT EMITTING ANY ADDITIONAL POLLUTANTS. AND THE LAST ONE IS ANY POLICY DRIVEN INCENTIVES, PRIMARILY LOCAL POLICY. THE FIRST ONE AVOIDED COST. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS. THIS IS THE COST THAT'S AVOIDED BECAUSE THE CUSTOMER IS GENERATING POWER AND THE UTILITY IS NOT. THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO ESTIMATE THIS. YOU CAN QUANTIFY IT, BY USING MARKET PRICES, BY USING YOUR CURRENT CONTRACTS, YOU CAN RUN MULTIPLE MODELS. YOU CAN USE A NATURAL GAS PEAKER POWER PLANT. THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS THAT THIS HAS BEEN DONE OVER THE YEARS. WE DID IT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. WE LOOKED AT WHAT DENTON WOULD HAVE TO BUY THAT POWER FOR FROM ERCOT, AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT WHAT DENTON IS CURRENTLY PAYING FOR SOLAR POWER THROUGH THEIR PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENTS. THE NEXT ONE SOCIETAL BENEFITS, THIS ONE AGAIN, THIS IS THIS IS PUTTING A VALUE TO THE BENEFIT OF NOT EMITTING ANY POLLUTANTS, THIS ONE, THERE IS NOT A FEDERAL

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MARKET OR A STATE MARKET FOR THIS. SO IT'S HARDER TO QUANTIFY, BUT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY THAT HAVE DONE IT. THERE'S MULTIPLE APPROACHES TO IT, THOSE ARE ALL SUMMARIZED IN THE REPORT. OVERALL, YOU CAN APPLY THE INDUSTRY HAS A $0.01 TO $0.08 VALUE FOR THIS, DEPENDING ON YOUR POINT OF VIEW, DEPENDING ON YOUR REPORT. THIS ONE FOR SOCIETY FOR AVOIDED COSTS. THIS IS A VERY EASY ONE. IT'S REAL MATH. IT'S SAVINGS TO THE UTILITY. WHEN YOU GET INTO SOCIETAL BENEFITS. THIS IS MORE OF A THEORETICAL SAVINGS. THIS IS NOBODY'S PAYING DENTON FOR EMITTING LOWER EMISSIONS. BUT BUT YOU'RE PUTTING A VALUE TO IT BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING RENEWABLE ENERGY IS BETTER THAN FOSSIL FUEL ENERGY. AND THIS LAST ONE, POLICY DRIVEN INCENTIVES, THIS ONE IS, IS AROUND LOCAL POLICY. WHEN THE REPORT WAS WRITTEN, THERE WAS NOT A LOCAL POLICY FOR LOCAL RENEWABLES. BUT RECENTLY, LAST MONTH, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WAS APPROVED. AND THAT DOES HAVE A STATEMENT IN THERE PROMOTING LOCAL RENEWABLE GENERATION. AND SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT SLIDE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THAT. SO THE FIRST ONE WE'LL TALK ABOUT IS THAT AVOIDED COST COLUMN. AS I SAID WE LOOKED AT IT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. THE COLUMN ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT DENTON CURRENTLY PAYS FOR SOLAR POWER.

IT'S ABOUT $0.04 A KILOWATT HOUR. THE, THE MIDDLE COLUMN IS IF WE LOOK AT THE ERCOT MARKET AND IF THAT CUSTOMER WASN'T GENERATING, WHAT WOULD WE HAVE TO BUY IT FROM IN THE ERCOT MARKET, IT WOULD BE ABOUT $0.07. THAT ACCOUNTS FOR THE ENERGY YOU'RE BUYING FROM THE MARKET, FROM ANCILLARY SERVICES, FROM THE MARKET. THERE. IT ACCOUNTS FOR TRANSMISSION, WE DID NOT INCLUDE GENERATION CAPACITY, AS THERE'S NOT A GENERATION OR THERE'S NOT A CAPACITY MARKET IN ERCOT, WE DID ACCOUNT FOR THE TRANSMISSION FOR DISTRIBUTION. WE DID NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING FOR THAT. THAT TENDS TO BE LOCAL TO EACH CIRCUIT CIRCUIT. ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S AN EXPENSE, OR IF THERE'S A BENEFIT TO IT. AND IN DISCUSSIONS WITH DENTON STAFF, THEY HAVE PLENTY OF CAPACITY ON THEIR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM WHEN THEY ARE PLANNING FOR DISTRIBUTION, THEY THERE IS NO THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY BENEFIT OR COST SAVINGS FOR MORE SOLAR INSTALLED. WE ALSO IN THIS DID INCLUDE, WE DID ACCOUNT FOR LOSSES BECAUSE THE CUSTOMER IS GENERATING POWER AT THEIR HOUSE RATHER THAN TAKING IT FROM THE MARKET. SO YOU DO HAVE SOME SAVINGS THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO LOSSES GOING ACROSS THE TRANSMISSION OR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, SO ON THAT PREVIOUS TABLE, YOU SAW THAT WHEN WE PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER FOR THE ERCOT MARKET, IT COMES OUT TO ABOUT $0.07 A KILOWATT HOUR, AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT WHY IT'S $0.07.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS GRAPH, THE BLUE LINE REPRESENTS AN AVERAGE SUMMER DAY IN ERCOT FROM 2023.

AND THE BLUE LINE GOES WITH THE VERTICAL AXIS ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS THE POWER PRICE. AND YOU CAN SEE THE PRICE SPIKES IN THE LATE AFTERNOON. IT SPIKES, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY COMES HOME AND THEY MAKE DINNER AND THEY TURN ON THE AIR CONDITIONING. IT'S THE HOTTEST TIME OF DAY AND THE TV GOES ON AND THEY RUN THEIR LAUNDRY. THINGS LIKE THAT, IN ADDITION TO THE HOT AFTERNOONS FEED INTO THAT PRICE SPIKE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GREEN LINE, THIS IS WHEN SOLAR GENERATES, AND THIS GOES WITH THE AXIS ON YOUR LEFT. THAT'S THE ENERGY AXIS IT GENERATES THE MOST IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY WHEN THE SUN IS THE STRONGEST, AND THEN THE GRAY DASHED LINE, THAT IS WHEN HOMES ON AVERAGE HAVE EXCESS SOLAR POWER. IT'S THEY'RE PRODUCING THE MOST AND THEY'RE NOT USING AS MUCH AS THEY ARE IN THE AFTERNOON. AND THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE SELLING BACK INTO THE MARKET. AND SO WHAT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WITH THIS GRAPH IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THIS CAN VARY DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE INSTALLATION. BUT GENERALLY WHEN CUSTOMERS ARE PUSHING POWER BACK INTO THE GRID, THEY'RE DOING IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY WHEN THEY'RE GENERATING THE MOST. BUT THAT IS NOT THE PEAK TIME OF THE MARKET. AND IT'S ALSO A LOWER AVERAGE COST. SOCIETAL BENEFITS. AS I SAID THIS, THIS IS VALUING CARBON, NOT PUTTING ANY MORE EMISSIONS INTO THE AIR, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF STUDIES THAT RANGES FROM $15 TO $190 PER TON, DEPENDING ON THE STUDY, DEPENDING ON IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT CARBON CAPTURE, YOU KNOW, THE EPA IS THE ONES THAT RECENTLY CAME OUT WITH $190 PER TON. WHEN YOU CONVERT THAT INTO A COST PER KILOWATT HOUR, IT CAN VARY FROM ONE CENTS TO $0.08. DENTON. BECAUSE IT PURCHASED BECAUSE IT PURCHASES RENEWABLE POWER, IS EFFECTIVELY CARBON NEUTRAL FOR THE ENERGY THEY SERVE. THEIR CUSTOMERS. YOU GUYS ARE 100% RENEWABLE. YOU HAVE BALANCED OUT ALL OF THE CARBON FOR YOUR LOAD, FOR YOUR ELECTRICAL LOAD, SO THEREFORE, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS STUDY, WE HAVE RECOMMENDED

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THAT YOU DID NOT NEED TO PUT AN ADDITIONAL VALUE TO THAT, FOR SERVING DENTON'S LOAD. NOW, AS CITY COUNCIL, YOU CAN SAY THAT'S IMPORTANT. AND I WANT TO SUPPORT SOLAR MORE THAN JUST THE COST OF NEUTRALIZING THE CARBON FOR OUR LOAD. AND YOU CAN ASSIGN A VALUE TO THAT, AND AGAIN, BASED ON ALL THE STUDIES IN THE INDUSTRY, THAT WOULD VARY FROM ONE CENTS TO $0.08 PER KILOWATT HOUR, BUT, BUT THAT'S YOUR DECISION. THAT'S A POLICY DECISION. FOR LOCAL POLICY, LIKE I SAID, JUST RECENTLY THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WAS PASSED. IT DOES SAY IN THERE TO PROMOTE LOCAL RENEWABLE GENERATION, THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS TO DO THAT. YOU CAN ADD SOMETHING TO THE VALUE OF SOLAR IF YOU WANT, AND YOU'RE PAYING THEM MONEY FOR EVERY KILOWATT HOUR THAT THEY SELL BACK TO THE UTILITY. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO DO THAT, IF YOU WANT MORE LOCAL GENERATION, IT'S A IT CAN BE A BIG HURDLE FOR CUSTOMERS TO GET SOLAR ON THEIR ROOF, TO BUILD THE SOLAR AND FUND IT, YOU EITHER CAN HAVE A LOT OF MONEY IN THE BANK, OR YOU CAN APPLY FOR LOANS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT IS A BIG CAPITAL COST FOR AN INDIVIDUAL OR A FAMILY TO TAKE ON AND PUT ON THEIR HOUSE, SO WAYS THAT YOU CAN HELP THEM IS YOU CAN OFFER REBATES, WHICH DENTON USED TO DO. YOU CAN PROVIDE REBATES TO HELP SUPPORT THEM WHEN THEY INSTALL IT. YOU CAN HELP STREAMLINE THE PROCESS, HELP THEM GET THROUGH PERMITTING AND INSPECTIONS AND APPROVALS FASTER, AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY THE ATTORNEYS WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT, BUT SOME UTILITIES PROVIDE LOW COST LOANS SO YOU CAN HELP THEM BORROW MONEY AT A LOW RATE TO HELP INSTALL THE SOLAR AND GET IT ON THEIR ROOF. SO IN SUMMARY, AS I SAID, THE ACTUAL AVOIDED COST THE MONEY THAT THE UTILITY SAVES BECAUSE THE CUSTOMER IS GENERATING CAN VARY FROM $0.04 TO $0.07. $0.04 IS WHAT DENTON CURRENTLY PAYS FOR SOLAR. $0.07 IS. IF THEY HAD TO SERVE THAT CUSTOMER FROM THE MARKET, IT WOULD AVERAGE ABOUT $0.07. FOR SOCIETAL BENEFITS, AGAIN, AS FAR AS THE LOAD THAT IS SERVED TO THE CUSTOMERS BY THE UTILITY, IT IS ALREADY CARBON NEUTRAL. THEY'RE BUYING 100% RENEWABLE POWER AS FAR AS POLICY DRIVEN INCENTIVES, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE HANDLED THROUGH THE VALUE OF SOLAR RATE, OR THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE HANDLED WITH REBATES AND THOSE OTHER THINGS I JUST TALKED ABOUT, AS TONY SAID, WE ALSO DID AUSTIN ENERGY'S VALUE OF SOLAR STUDY. AUSTIN ENERGY, AND THEY HAVE AN AVOIDED COST AND THEY DID INCLUDE AN AMOUNT FOR SOCIETAL BENEFITS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT 100% RENEWABLE, BUT FOR POLICY DRIVEN INCENTIVES, THEY DID NOT INCLUDE AN AMOUNT IN THEIR VALUE OF SOLAR RATE. INSTEAD, THEY DID IT THROUGH A REBATE PROGRAM AND AN EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM WHERE CUSTOMERS HAVE TO WATCH VIDEOS AND THEN THEY HAVE CERTAIN REBATES TO HELP PROMOTE PEOPLE INSTALLING SOLAR. ONE THING I DO WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS SLIDE, WHAT THIS WHAT THIS SLIDE DOES IS THIS CALCULATES CUSTOMER BILLS UNDER ALL THESE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. SO THE NON SOLAR CUSTOMER, IF THEY DON'T HAVE SOLAR AND THEY'RE USING 1365 KILOWATT HOURS A MONTH, THEY'RE PAYING ABOUT $181 ON THEIR BILL. FOR THE CURRENT THE CURRENT CUSTOMER UNDER THE CURRENT RATES, THE NET BILLING CUSTOMER, THEY'RE PAYING ABOUT $140 ON THEIR BILL BECAUSE THEY'RE SELLING SOME POWER BACK, IF WE LOOK AT THE AVOIDED COST USING WHAT DENTON PAYS FOR SOLAR, THE DME, PPA COLUMN POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT, COLUMN, THOSE CUSTOMERS ARE PAYING ABOUT $167. IF YOU USE THE ERCOT MARKET, THEY'RE PAYING ABOUT $154, SO I KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS TODAY, BUT SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS TONY MENTIONED, THIS IS A ZERO SUM GAME, SO THERE ARE NO SHAREHOLDERS THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE UP THIS DIFFERENCE IN MONEY. THE $463,000, IF YOU MOVE TO THE PPA RATE, THE FOUR CENT RATE, THE UTILITY IS GOING TO COLLECT $463,000 MORE THAN THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, IF NOT THAT, THAT GAP, THE $463,000, THE MONEY THAT'S PAID TO SOLAR CUSTOMERS IS FUNDED BY YOUR REMAINING RATE PAYERS. THERE IS NO, NO GRANTS OR ANYTHING ELSE OR SHAREHOLDERS FUNDING THIS. SO YOU HAVE TO BALANCE HOW IMPORTANT AND HOW MUCH DO WE VALUE RENEWABLES WITH HOW MUCH ARE WE ASKING CUSTOMERS WITHOUT SOLAR TO FUND THIS? ALSO SO NEXT, WHAT TO DO WITH THAT $460,000 OR THE $236,000, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR DECISION IS, WE WILL HAVE DENTON TALK

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ABOUT. THANK YOU. JILL, BILL SHEPHERD, DME, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, SO I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT PRIOR ACTIONS THAT WE'VE PRESENTED WITH THE OTHER BODIES, WHICH IS A PUB AS WELL AS THE SFAC. AND THEN I'LL WRAP UP WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WE PRESENTED TO THE PUB JULY 8TH, AND DURING THAT PRESENTATION, THEY DECIDED TO GO WITH THE 3.7 $0.09 PER KILOWATT HOUR. IF IT'S STEPPED IN OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL YEARS. AND THE TRANSFER THAT ANNUAL SAVINGS AS STAFF RECOMMENDED TO THE GREEN CENTS PROGRAM. SO ABOUT $463,000 WOULD BE ADDED TO THE GREEN CENTS PROGRAMS FOR REBATES AND INCENTIVES, THE SFAC, WHICH WE PRESENTED TO ON JUNE 7TH, THEY WERE SORT OF SPLITTING THE BABY, IF YOU WILL, AND THEY WERE GOING BETWEEN THE 3.7 CENTS AND THE $0.07 AND PICKED 5.40 $0.05 PER KILOWATT HOUR, AND TRANSFER THAT SAVINGS, WHICH IS $350,000 TO THE GREEN CENTS PROGRAMS. THEY DID WANT FURTHER DISCUSSION TO TAKE PLACE REGARDING GRANDFATHERING. SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO YOU TODAY IS TO IMPLEMENT THE AVOIDED COST METHOD BASED ON DME, SOLAR PPA RATE OF 3.7 $0.09 PER KILOWATT HOUR. WE'VE BEEN RUNNING THIS PRESENTATION THROUGH FOR A WHILE. SO YOU SEE, IT'S OCTOBER FIRST WOULD BE REALLY QUICK FOR US TO GET THAT IN PLACE BY OCTOBER 1ST. SO PROBABLY MORE REALISTICALLY WOULD BE A JANUARY TIME FRAME, AND THEN TRANSFER THAT ESTIMATED ANNUAL SAVINGS OF $463,000 TO THE GREEN CENTS INCENTIVES PROGRAM, WHICH WILL BRING THAT BUDGET FROM 1 MILLION PROVIDED BY DME TO THAT GREEN CENTS TO 1.46 MILLION. AND WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. OKAY, BEFORE WE DO THAT, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, I KNOW YOU SENT OUT SOME INFORMATION ON GRANDFATHERING. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN SAY LIVE IN THE MEETING OR I JUST WANT YOU TO TOUCH ON THAT BEFORE WE START DISCUSSION. I MEAN, WE'RE POSTED. WE HAVE A PLACEHOLDER IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT IN CLOSED SESSION, BUT WE'RE WE'RE SET TO SCHEDULED. WE'RE SCHEDULED TO DISCUSS IT IN CLOSED SESSION. AT THIS TIME, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT THAT IN OPEN SESSION AT THIS AT THIS POINT. GOT IT. WELL, YEAH. SO IS EVERYONE FAMILIAR WITH THAT? I JUST IF WE'RE GOING TO JUST MAKING SURE WE HAVE THAT BACK IN MIND AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT OR QUESTIONS. BUT I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A PLACEHOLDER. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS FOR REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. AND THEN WE'LL GO THREE. HI, COUNCILPERSON. JESTER, I JUST THOUGHT A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT IN CLOSED SESSION, THAT'S FINE. HOWEVER, JUST IN CASE EVERYONE DOESN'T REMEMBER, THERE SEEMED TO BE SOME CONCERN AS TO THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF A GRANDFATHERING IN. AND THAT WAS THE QUESTION WHETHER IT'S EVEN LEGAL OR NOT. IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? JUST TO PUT A PIN IN IT UNTIL THE CLOSED SESSION? IT RELATES TO THE ABILITY TO GRANDFATHER. YES, YES. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT THREE.

YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF PRETTY BROAD QUESTIONS. IF PRESUMABLY WE DO THINK THERE'S A VALUE ON SOLAR AND ON RENEWABLES, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYTHING WE DO IS BASED ON DOING THAT. BUT WE KNOW THAT IT'S KIND OF AS GOOD AS IT CAN GET, BEING 100% WHEN IT'S WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF, OF, YOU KNOW, A GRID CONTEXT OF ERCOT. BUT IT'S NOT THAT ERCOT IS 100% RIGHT. AND BUT WE DO KNOW THAT WHEN WE TAKE ENERGY DIRECTLY FROM SOMEONE IN DENTON WHO'S GOT ROOFTOP SOLAR, THAT THAT'S 100% RENEWABLE, ISN'T THAT A DIFFERENCE? AND ISN'T THAT IF WE DO THINK THERE'S A VALUE IN DOING SOLAR AT ALL, ISN'T THAT A GREATER VALUE TO INSTEAD OF TAKING THE GENERAL MIX OF ERCOT ENERGY, WHICH IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENT RENEWABLE IT IS NOWADAYS, IS 40 EVEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT VERSUS 100% GUARANTEED. YOU KNOW, IT'S COMING FROM A RENEWABLE SOURCE, RIGHT? SO ANECDOTALLY, HAVING IT RIGHT ON THE ROOF OF SOMEONE IN DENTON IS, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE VALUE. AND ONE WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS ENERGY BOUGHT FROM ERCOT, SOLAR ENERGY BOUGHT FROM ERCOT. THE DIFFERENTIAL THERE IS ANY OF THE RENEWABLE ENERGY THAT WE BUY FROM ERCOT IS CERTIFIED. IT IS CERTIFIED WITH RENEWABLE ENERGY CREDITS. AND WE KNOW THAT THAT COMPANY CAN STAND BEHIND THAT. ERCOT STANDS BEHIND IT, AND WE KNOW THAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE GETTING. YEAH. LET ME LET ME CLARIFY. I'M CRYSTAL CLEAR ON WHAT WE BUY TO PUT INTO ERCOT.

WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT WE ACTUALLY DRAW FROM ERCOT, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING. WHAT WE BUY GETS PUT INTO WHATEVER END OF THE LAKE. IT'S IN, AND THAT'S 100% RENEWABLE AND IT'S CERTIFIED, OR YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE WE'RE PAYING FOR RECS TO INCREASE THE RETURN ON

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SOLAR, WHICH I TOTALLY GET AND I'M SUPPORTIVE OF, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION THAN THE ENERGY WE DRAW FROM ERCOT, WHICH IS THE AGGREGATE OF WHAT EVERYBODY PUTS IN. RIGHT? I MEAN, AM I WHERE AM I WRONG ON THIS? NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, IT ALL GOES INTO I MEAN, I'VE HEARD MR. NULTY TALK ABOUT A POOL BEFORE. IT'S A IT'S A POOL OF WATER ENERGY. AND IN THAT POOL IT GOES WIND POWER GOES SOLAR. ANY OTHER RENEWABLE RESOURCES AS WELL AS FOSSIL AND NUCLEAR. SO WE THINK THERE'S A VALUE ON ON BUYING ONLY RENEWABLES TO PUT IN THERE. AND I THINK THAT'S AWESOME. AND WHATEVER VALUE THAT HAS I MEAN IT'S JUST SORT OF AN UNCONTROLLABLE FACTOR THAT THE REST OF THE GRID IS NOT ALL RENEWABLES. SO THAT WHEN WE ACTUALLY DRAW, WE'RE GETTING A NONRENEWABLE MIX, WHICH WOULD NOT BE THE CASE FOR WHAT WE TAKE FROM PEOPLE'S ROOFTOPS. THAT'S MY ONLY POINT SO FAR. I GOT ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU, IF I MAY.

WELL, BILL, DID YOU GET A CHANCE TO FINISH YOUR QUESTION? YOUR ANSWER BEFORE WE GOT TO BE WE GOT TO LET HIM FINISH. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER MELTZER, BUT, YEAH, IT'S IT IS A POOL OF ENERGY THAT THAT WE DRAW FROM, BUT ROOFTOP SOLAR, WHEN IT DOES PROVIDE ENERGY BACK TO US, THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE EXERCISE WAS ABOUT, IS TO VALUE THAT ENERGY. AND THAT'S THE VALUE WE PLACED ON IT. NOW IT'S A DIFFERENT IF IT'S A DIFFERENT FORMULA ALTOGETHER. IF WE WEREN'T ALREADY 100% RENEWABLE, THE FACT THAT WE'RE 100% RENEWABLE, RENEWABLE CHANGES THAT THE ECONOMICS AROUND THAT, OKAY, I WON'T BEAT A DEAD HORSE.

I YOU KNOW, WE COVERED IT. WE BUY 100% RENEWABLE. WE USE ABOUT 40% RENEWABLE, SO MY OTHER QUESTION IS WE TALK ABOUT WHEN SOLAR IS LIKELY PUT INTO THE, YOU KNOW, INTO THE STREAM, WHICH IS WHEN PRICES ARE LOW AND WHEN THE SUN IS SHINING. BUT IF PEOPLE, AS THEY INCREASINGLY DO NOWADAYS INVEST IN BATTERY WALLS AND THEN THEY'RE SHIFTING THE SOLAR INTO THE EVENING WHEN USAGE IS HIGH, DOESN'T THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT VALUE TO US, WELL, IT CAN CERTAINLY HAVE A DIFFERENT VALUE FOR THAT PARTICULAR HOMEOWNER OR BUSINESS BECAUSE THEN THEY CAN USE THAT ENERGY THAT THEY'VE STORED AND PRODUCED DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY FOR THEIR OFFSETTING LOAD DURING THE NIGHT. SO THERE IS A CERTAIN VALUE TO THAT. BUT ISN'T THERE A VALUE TO DME IF THEY'RE OFFLOADING EXCESS DURING TIMES THAT ARE PEAK COSTS IF WE COULD. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT, THERE'S A TIME OF USE SECTION IN THAT REPORT THAT DISCUSSES THAT JUST THAT VERY USE OF BATTERIES. AND THERE WOULD BE IF WE COULD TRACK THE ENERGY COMING BACK AT A CERTAIN TIME AND HAD THE BILLING SYSTEM TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT, THEN, YEAH, THERE MIGHT BE SOME ADDED VALUE FOR GIVING US THAT ENERGY DURING THOSE PEAK TIMES. I MEAN, IF NOTHING ELSE, WOULDN'T IT MAKE A AN ARGUMENT FOR SUBSIDIZING BATTERY WALLS VERSUS SUBSIDIZING SOLAR GENERALLY? RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH ESTABLISHED ROOFTOP SOLAR DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE BATTERY WALLS.

AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTING AT THE LESS GOOD TIME, YOU CAN CALL THAT ALL A QUESTION. WOULD THAT WOULD THAT MAKE AN ARGUMENT FOR THAT? YEAH THAT IS A VALID ARGUMENT. AND THAT'S WHERE CALIFORNIA'S RATES ARE GOING, HOW THEY JUST ADJUSTED THEIR NET METERING PROGRAM IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S MOVING TO, IS MORE PROMOTING BATTERIES TO BE INSTALLED WITH SOLAR, NOT JUST SOLAR, BECAUSE IT DOES IF THE UTILITY CAN DISPATCH IT AND CONTROL IT, IT DOES PROVIDE A BIGGER BENEFIT TO THE SYSTEM. OKAY. GREAT. THANKS. I'LL LISTEN TO THE OTHER INPUTS. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTION? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. THE THING THAT I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT AND LET ME, LET ME ACTUALLY BACK UP JUST A SECOND BEFORE I ASK MY QUESTION, IT'S CLEAR FROM THE REPORT AND FROM PRIOR REPORTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM DME THAT, THEIR MANDATE IN THE DENTON RENEWABLE RESOURCES PLAN WAS TO HAVE 100% RENEWABLE FOR THEIR LOAD PURCHASE AND GENERATION FOR THE USE IN THE CITY. THAT WAS ALSO STATED IN YOUR REPORT. AND TO BE LIKE HONESTLY, TO GIVE THEM SOME ACCOLADES. I THINK THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATED TIME TO FINISH WAS 23 OR 24, BUT THEY FINISHED IN 21. THEY ACHIEVED THAT GOAL IN 21. THEY ACHIEVED IT EARLY. SO WE CAN BE PROUD OF DME FOR ACHIEVING THAT, THAT EARLY GOAL. BUT IS A WAY OF SETTING THE CONTEXT FOR WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE IN THE DENTON RENEWABLE RESOURCES PLAN. IS THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME CAME IN AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WANT IT TO BE OUR POLICY THAT OUR IMPACT IS MINIMIZED. WE'RE WE'RE THE ADULTS IN THE ROOM. WE'RE

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FORWARD THINKING, WE'RE SUSTAINABLE. ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS IS OUR IS OUR POWER GENERATION. SO WE WANT WE WANT OUR IMPACT TO BE MINIMAL. AND THEN LATER WE'VE REINFORCED THAT ATTITUDE WITH OUR COUNCIL APPROVED SUPPORT OF THE 50 GOALS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2050. AND WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS DISCUSSIONS ON THE CAP, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND GAVE THOSE THOSE GOALS AS WELL. AND IN BOTH THAT PRELIMINARY REPORT THAT WE'VE SEEN AND AS WELL AS, THIS ONE, BOTH OF THEM SAY, LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO NEED ROBUS, RENEWABLE INCENTIVES OF VARIOUS SORTS ACROSS THE BOARD TO ACHIEVE THIS. AND SO IN, IN THAT CONTEXT, I THINK WE HAVE A DISCONNECT BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE NEED TO GIVE WE NEED TO PRAISE DME FOR HAVING ACHIEVED ITS POWER LOAD CONSUMPTION GOALS. BUT THAT GOAL WAS IN THE WIDER CONTEXT OF DENTON COMMUNITY AND THE IN THOSE CASES, WE'RE WE'RE NOT REALLY ADDRESSING SOME OF OUR OTHER FACTORS IN OUR CITY THAT WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS AND THAT GO BOTH INTO THE VALUE OF SOLAR DIRECTLY. AND I'LL COME TO THAT IN A SECOND. IN MY QUESTION, AS, AS WELL AS THE SOCIETAL BENEFITS, BOTH, ALL RIGHT. SO IT SEEMS LIKE AND MAYBE I JUST MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE REALLY KIND OF EITHER, ZEROING OUT OR MAKING THEM THE SAME, FOR WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY, MATHEMATICALLY, THE SAME THING IF YOU'RE COMPARING, TRANSMISSION, ADVANTAGES TO ROOFTOP SOLAR AND DISTRIBUTED GENERATION. WE'RE ZEROING OUT OR NEUTRALIZING, EFFECTS ON OUR DISTRIBUTION GRID, AIR QUALITY GRID GRID RESILIENCE AND DISPOSAL COSTS OF MATERIALS AND EVEN WITHIN THE VALUE OF SOLAR, THOSE JUST SORT OF GET ZEROS IN MY MISTAKEN ON THAT OR ZEROED OR NEUTRALIZED AND THAT WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS SORT OF THE VALUE OF SOLAR IN THE CONTEXT OF OUR 100% RENEWABLE PLAN. AND THAT'S COMING OUT BETWEEN 4 AND 7, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU CALCULATE IT. IF I MISUNDERSTOOD THE REPORT. SO LET ME BACK UP A FEW SLIDES. OKAY. SO THE ACTUAL ENERGY FROM THE MARKET IS EITHER ACCOUNTED FOR THROUGH THE POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT OR THROUGH ERCOT ON THESE COLUMNS. THIS DOES GIVE A BENEFIT FOR TRANSMISSION BECAUSE THEY ARE RUNNING AT THE TIMES OF SYSTEM PEAK. SO THERE IS A BENEFIT FOR TRANSMISSION AND IT'S ADJUSTED FOR LOSSES, AS FAR AS GENERATION CAPACITY, THERE IS NO THERE IS NO CAPACITY MARKET IN ERCOT THAT MAY CHANGE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. AND RIGHT NOW DENTON DOES NOT HAVE ANY GENERATION PLANNED ON BEING BUILT. THERE'S NOTHING BEING DELAYED OR AVOIDED AS FAR AS GENERATION DISTRIBUTION IS SPECIFIC CIRCUIT BY CIRCUIT. IT'S ALSO SPECIFIC TO EACH UTILITY SYSTEM. FOR AS MANY REPORTS AS YOU SEE THAT SAYS THERE'S SAVINGS ON THE DISTRIBUTION, THERE'S JUST AS MANY REPORTS THAT SAY, NO, THERE'S A COST, AND, AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT DISTRIBUTION, WE TALK TO UTILITY. AND WE TALK TO THE STAFF AND WE SAY, HEY, IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO INSTALL SOLAR, DO YOU HAVE TO BEEF UP THE SYSTEM TO HANDLE THIS? DOES IT SAVE YOU MONEY FROM PLANNING PURPOSES, ETC? WHAT CAME OUT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS IS THAT THERE'S NO SAVINGS, THERE'S NO COST AVOIDANCE WHEN IT COMES TO THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. THE SYSTEM IS RELATIVELY NEW AND IT HAS PLENTY OF CAPACITY. SO THEY'RE NOT SAVING ANY MONEY FROM THE DISTRIBUTION SIDE. SO IF I MIGHT FOLLOW UP ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A DISTRIBUTED GENERATION CAPACITY AND SORT OF WE LOOKED AT OUR SYSTEM AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL, WE THINK THERE'S NOTHING THERE'S NO THERE THERE. WHETHER IT EXTENDS THE LIFETIME OF OUR DISTRIBUTION NETWORK AND OUR TRANSFORMERS AND THE LINES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, OR WHETHER THERE'S A COST. AND I READ THAT IN THE REPORT AS WELL.

BUT IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T MEASURE IT, THEN WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT OF SOLAR ON THE CAPACITY. AND THEN I'LL ASK A SECOND FOLLOW UP RESPONSE. AND THAT IS IF, IS THERE NOT A VALUE TO KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE AND WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE BECAUSE THEY'RE METERED AND PERMITTED EXACT NATURE OF LOADS DURING THE DAY, FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NO LONGER A LOAD DURING THE DAY, EVEN IF IT'S CHEAP, WE STILL KNOW THAT THERE ARE NO LONGER ONE OF OUR LOADS THAT WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR. SO IF YOU KNOW. SO THOSE QUESTIONS OF WE DIDN'T MEASURE IT SO WE DON'T KNOW. I GUESS LET ME INCLUDE TRANSMISSION COSTS IN THAT WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING THEM THE SAME. BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO BE PULLING POWER FROM WEST TEXAS DURING THE

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MIDDLE OF THE DAY. EVEN IF IT'S SMALLER. IF THEY'RE OUT FOR THOSE HOMES THAT ARE ON DISTRIBUTED GENERATION AND THEN A KNOWN DEFINED LOAD IN THOSE CASES, ARE THOSE NOT WORTH ANYTHING BECAUSE IT SEEMS IN MY READING, AND THIS REALLY ISN'T A QUESTION, MAYBE I MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT I'VE READ OUT THERE IS THOSE ARE VALUES TO DISTRIBUTED GENERATION AND ROOFTOP SOLAR. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THOSE WERE NEUTRALIZED. SO FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, WHEN THE UTILITY'S DOING CAPITAL PLANNING AND PLANNING THEIR ASSETS, THEY STILL HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT LOAD. I MEAN, CLOUDS COME OVER, TREES HANG OVER SOLAR PANELS, THEY BREAK, INVERTERS BREAK. THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN. SO WHEN THEY'RE PLANNING, THEY'RE STILL INCLUDING THAT HOUSE'S LOAD. THEY STILL HAVE TO BUILD THE SYSTEM TO HANDLE ALL OF THAT LOAD. SOLAR, YOU KNOW, IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU TURN ON AND OFF. IT'S NOT 100% RELIABLE.

THINGS HAPPEN LIKE CLOUDY DAYS. SO SO WHEN THEY'RE PLANNING, YOU KNOW, THEY STILL HAVE TO PLAN FOR EVERYTHING AS FAR AS YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY THE POWER FROM THE MARKET BECAUSE YOU'RE GENERATING AT THE HOUSE THAT LOSS ACROSS THE SYSTEM IS ACCOUNTED FOR IN THESE NUMBERS.

THERE'S 5% LOSSES ACROSS THE DISTRIBUTION AND TRANSMISSION SYSTEM. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE RATES, THE COST AVOIDANCE, THE SAVINGS THAT GETS INCREASED BY 5% BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE LOSSES IN THERE. I MEAN, BECAUSE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT LOSING POWER GOING FROM THE MARKET TO THE HOUSE, THE HOUSE IS GENERATING WHERE IT'S USED. SO THERE'S THAT SOUNDS LIKE A 5% LOSS OF DISADVANTAGE, WHICH IS A DOUBLE NEGATIVE. NO. IT HELPS IT HELPS THE RATE. SO IF RIGHT HERE THE SEVEN CENT RATE, IF I DIDN'T IF I DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR LOSSES IT WOULD BE 95% OF THAT RATE. IT WOULD BE LOWER. RIGHT. SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON THOSE HOMES THAT ARE I'M JUST NOT I'M NOT SEEING WHERE WE'RE NOT APPLYING THAT, THAT SAVINGS TO THE HOMES ONE ONE MORE TIME. AND THEN I'LL MOVE ON TO ANOTHER QUESTION. OKAY. SO WE LOOK AT HOW MUCH THE AVOIDED COSTS ARE. WHAT LIKE WHAT IS THE COST? DENTON'S AVOIDING LET'S SAY THEY'RE AVOIDING $0.10 AT THE MARKET LEVEL. ALL RIGHT. LET'S SAY THERE'S 10% LOSSES ACROSS THE SYSTEM. SO WHEN IT GETS TO THE HOME, WE'RE GIVING THEM A CREDIT OF $0.11. BECAUSE. BECAUSE TO SERVE THEM A KILOWATT HOUR, WE WOULD HAVE LOSSES ACROSS THAT SYSTEM. THEY'RE GETTING THE BENEFIT OF IT. THE CUSTOMERS ARE SAVING ENERGY ACROSS THE SYSTEM BECAUSE THEY'RE GENERATING AT THE HOUSE. AND THAT'S ACCOUNTED FOR IN HERE. OKAY. I'M NOT I'M NOT SEEING THAT. AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MOVE ON TO MY, MY NEXT SET OF QUESTIONS, THERE ARE I MEAN, AND MAYBE THIS IS, THIS NEXT ONE IS A BILL QUESTION, BUT BUT IT SEEMS WE CAN'T REALLY BE MAKING ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE RATEPAYERS BECAUSE IF THE WHATEVER CHANGE IS BEFORE THE SYSTEM AND WE'RE MOVING ALL THAT MONEY INTO GREEN SENSE, THEN THAT NET DELTA IS THE SAME FOR AS FAR AS DME IS CONCERNED. SO THERE THERE IS NO RATEPAYER ADVANTAGE TO HAVING IT OR NOT HAVING IT. SO THAT THAT IS THAT IS THE NET SAME. SO COUNCIL MEMBER, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE DO FROM A BUDGETARY STANDPOINT, WE CERTAINLY LOOK AT AT REDUCING COSTS AND PASSING THOSE SAVINGS ON TO RATEPAYERS. THE OTHER THING THAT WE DO IS WE ALSO LOOK AT HOW CAN WE GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK, RIGHT? AND SO THE REASON WHY WE'VE RECOMMENDED TO SHIFT THIS TO GREEN SENSE, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE $500,000 FOR SOLAR REBATES, WAS THAT THE COMMUNITY GETS A BIGGER BANG FOR ITS BUCK FROM OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL OR OTHER ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS. AND SO AGAIN, CERTAINLY IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO SHIFT IT OVER TO ENERGY EFFICIENCY, WE CAN CERTAINLY INCLUDE THAT AS A SAVINGS THAT THEN GOES TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR RATEPAYERS. ALL RIGHT. AND I GUESS I A COMMENT BEFORE I GET TO MY NEXT QUESTION IS, THERE'S HARDLY ANYONE BUYING POWER WALLS WITHOUT A SOLAR SYSTEM OR A SOLAR SYSTEM ON THE ROOF, OR A DISTRIBUTED GENERATION ROOFTOP SOLAR. I MEAN, THERE'S A FEW THEY'RE ALL EDGE CASES. PEOPLE THAT ARE INSTALLING POWER WALLS FOR RESILIENCY PURPOSES. BUT THAT'S SUPER RARE. AND MOST OF THE TIME THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH SOME SORT OF DISTRIBUTED GENERATION SYSTEM, OR YOU KNOW WHAT? I'LL ASK ANOTHER FORMAL QUESTION. I WON'T BE SO AFFIRMATIVE. IS IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT IS THAT IS RARE. IS THAT RARE THAT PEOPLE BUY BATTERY BACKUP, WHICH MAYBE IS MORE HELPFUL AND THAT WE SHOULD BE MORE INCENTIVIZING WITHOUT SOLAR? WE ARE SEEING IT

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MORE NOW THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST, BUT I WOULD AGREE IT'S STILL NOT THE COMMON OR STANDARD THING THAT'S DONE. SO THEN REALLY THE STANDARD WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THE ADVANTAGE OF BATTERY THAT COUNCILOR MELTZER WAS, WAS ALLUDING TO EARLIER IS TO INCENTIVIZE THE SOLAR THAT EVERYBODY PUTS IN FRONT OF THE BATTERY, OKAY. SO THE, THE OTHER, IT SEEMS WHERE WE'RE GOING ON THIS IS, IS SORT OF THE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'VE GOT A SYSTEM IN PLACE WHERE WE'RE EVEN IN THE REPORT THAT SAYS WE SHOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL INCENTIVES, THAT YOU PROBABLY NEED ADDITIONAL INCENTIVES. THERE ARE SOME SOME VALUES TO THESE THINGS. EVEN EVEN WITH ZEROING, WE'RE GETTING TO 4 TO $0.07, DEPENDING ON WHETHER YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO BUY BACK FROM WHAT OUR WHAT WE PURCHASED OR WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO BUY BACK FROM THE GRID, WHICH IS DIRTY, WHICH. SO THE DIRTY GRID IS BUY BACK AT SEVEN. THE WHAT WE PURCHASE IS BUYBACK AT FOUR, THE VARIOUS OTHER BOARDS ARE LIKE, WELL, OKAY, WE'LL WE'LL EITHER AGREE TO THAT OR WE'LL, WE'LL UP IT A LITTLE BIT. BUT, BUT AND THEN I STILL FEEL LIKE THERE'S AMBIGUITY IN THE ACTUAL COSTS THAT FROM, FROM SOME OF THESE OTHER VALUES THAT ARE GETTING NEUTRALIZED. SO, SO ON TOP OF THAT, AND THIS GOES TO MY POINT. WHEN I LED AND THAT IS THE, THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AT THE TIME IN 2017, 2018 WHEN, WHEN WAS THE DRP 18. SO AT THAT TIME WAS SORT OF LET'S, LET'S BE THE ADULT IN THE ROOM, LET'S BE CLEAN. AND WE'VE REINFORCED THAT ATTITUDE THROUGH SUBSEQUENT DECISIONS. IT WASN'T, HEY, WE JUST WANT YOU TO DO POWER. THE SUBSEQUENT COUNCILS HAVE REINFORCED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE CLEAN. WE'RE GOING TO BE CLEANER AS AS THE NEEDS OF THE UNITED STATES AND GOALPOSTS HAVE MOVED WITHIN OUR OWN SOCIETY HERE IN DENTON, THAT THAT THAT GOALPOST SHIFTS BECAUSE THE NEEDS HAVE SHIFTED. AND AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE, THE BILL AND THE IRA COMING OUT AND INCENTIVIZING THESE PROGRAMS ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES IN ORDER TO HAVE A BETTER FOOTPRINT EVERYWHERE. ALL RIGHT. SO IT I DO AGREE WITH YOU. I MEAN, I IT DOES SOUND LIKE MAYBE WE SHOULD REVISIT REBATES. THAT'S WHAT WAS COMING OUT OF THE REPORT. AND THEN, I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION, MY LAST QUESTION, AND THEN I'LL PASS THE BATON IS, IT SEEMS LIKE IF SOME OF THESE AMBIGUOUS FEATURES THAT THAT MAYBE WE DON'T AGREE THAT ARE AMBIGUOUS, PLUS SOCIETAL BENEFITS, PLUS GETTING TO THE FACT THAT DENTON HAS A LARGER FOOTPRINT THAN JUST DME, DME MAY BE ONE OF THE LARGEST COMPONENTS TO OUR FOOTPRINT, AND THEREFORE IT IS THE RIGHT PLACE TO TACKLE FIRST. IT'S NOT THE ONLY AND THE BIGGEST ONE. EVEN WITHIN THE DME UMBRELLA IS THE OUTPUT FROM FROM THE DEC, WE HAVE 140 ZERO ZERO $0 IN IN TANK COSTS. WE HAVE THE CARBON ISSUES ON THE DEC. SO WITH WHILE I'M PROUD OF DME FOR ACCOMPLISHING THE 100% RENEWABLES ON OUR POWER LOAD, THAT'S NOT DENTON'S FOOTPRINT. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO GET TO 100% GOALS THAT WE'VE ALREADY SET, AND WE'VE ALREADY AGREED TO IN THIS COUNCIL, UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO REVERSE THAT, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT BY 2050, THEN WE HAVE TO TAKE THE KIND OF CRITICAL STEPS THAT, THAT AND THAT WILL INCLUDE UPPING OUR GREEN SENSE. THAT WILL INCLUDE CONTINUING USE OF INCENTIVIZE SOLAR, THAT WILL INCLUDE PROBABLY HONESTLY, HAVING TO BUY, YOU KNOW, CARBON CREDITS ON THE OPEN MARKET, THEY WILL IT WILL BE A YES. AND ALL OF THE ABOVE APPROACH AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS FROM 1 TO $0.08 A KILOWATT HOUR AND IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THESE KINDS OF SOCIETAL BENEFITS, IF YOU SORT OF TACK THAT ONTO THE 4 TO 7, ALL RIGHT, THEN YOU GET 5 TO 15. SO A NICE MIDPOINT IN THERE IS 10 OR $0.11 A KILOWATT HOUR. ALL RIGHT.

DEPENDING ON WHAT OUR COMFORTABILITY LEVEL IS ON ON THAT. AND HEY, LAST YEAR'S RATES WERE 10.7. ALL RIGHT. IN FACT ALMOST EVERYONE IN THE CITY OF DENTON WHO PAID FOR, SOLAR ARRAY, EXCEPT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WHO BOUGHT ONE IN THE LAST, WHETHER THEY BOUGHT IT ON LOAN OR THEY BOUGHT IT OUTRIGHT IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR SO, SINCE WE CHANGED OUR RATES, THEY BOUGHT IT UNDER THE ASSUMPTION UNDER THEIR THEIR FINANCIAL MODELS, THAT IT WAS ABOUT 10.7 AT NET METERING. SO IF WE SEE THE SOCIETAL BENEFITS ARE 1 TO 8 AND THE COST AND THE, THE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE AGREE ON THE 4 TO 7 OR NOT, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AND, AND SET IT BACK EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS. SO I'M, I'M ACTUALLY COMFORTABLE ANYTHING SORT OF TEN AND UP. BUT

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WE ARE JUST NOT GETTING TO OUR GOALS. IF WE DON'T GET TEN OR UP OR BETTER. SO, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE A QUESTION, BUT NOW I'M GOING TO USE IT AS DIRECTION. AND MY DIRECTION IS THAT THAT WE SET THAT RATE AT AT LAST YEAR'S RATE OF 10.7. AND THAT WAY WE KIND OF WE MAY DISCUSS THIS IN CLOSED, BUT WE KIND OF GET TO THE INTENT AND CONCEPT OF GRANDFATHERING.

IF YOU SET IT TO LAST YEAR'S RATE, WHEN EVERYBODY BOUGHT THEIR PANELS. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A DE FACTO GRANDFATHER THAT MAY NOT CARRY FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE, BUT YOU KIND OF THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO QUIBBLE OVER LEGAL ISSUES. SO MY, MY DIRECTION IS, IS 10.7. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

ANY RESPONSE TO ANY OF THAT, SO I JUST WANT TO VERIFY WHAT I HEARD. I GUESS, SO RIGHT NOW, AS A UTILITY FOR DENTON, THE UTILITY IS CARBON NEUTRAL BECAUSE THEY'RE BUYING ALL OF THIS RENEWABLE ENERGY. AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT TO EXPAND BEYOND THAT TO COVER THE WHOLE CITY, TO MAKE THE CITY CARBON NEUTRAL. AND THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD INCLUDE THE SOCIETAL BENEFIT IN THE VALUE OF NO CHOICE BUT TO DO THAT, BECAUSE DME IS PART OF THE CITY OF DENTON, AND IT IS OUR FOOTPRINT. AND IT WAS OUR OUR MISSION AND OUR GOAL TO IN FACT, WE HAVE A ADOPTED GOAL OF ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2050. IT'S ALREADY ADOPTED. SO WE ARE FAILING TO MAINTAIN OUR OWN POLICY IF WE DON'T TAKE ALL THE MEASURES AVAILABLE TO US TO ACHIEVE WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY PASSED, AN ORDINANCE. OKAY OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX? NO HI. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCIL PERSON. JESTER, SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN GETTING SOME FEEDBACK AND LOOKING AT THIS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF NEW TO THE ENERGY WORLD, BUT LEARNING, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SOME OF THE NUMBERS THAT CAME INTO THIS, STUDY ARE FROM 2019, BECAUSE OF THE RELIANCE ON INFORMATION RECEIVED FROM DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DECK THEN. CAN YOU KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT OR WHERE THESE NUMBERS, WHERE THE INFORMATION THAT CAME INTO THIS CAME FROM? AND IS IT ALL APPLES TO APPLES OR ARE WE KIND OF LOOKING AT SOME INFORMATION FROM DIFFERENT YEARS, JUST KIND OF HELP ME IF YOU COULD UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO EVERYTHING WE USED IN THE AVOIDED COST FOR THE ERCOT MARKET WAS BASED ON, HOURLY DATA FROM ERCOT FOR 2023.

WE YOU CAN DOWNLOAD, ERCOT IS A VERY FRIENDLY WEBSITE, ESPECIALLY WITH SHARING THEIR DATA AND LOAD PROFILES. SO YOU CAN DOWNLOAD HOURLY DATA FROM ERCOT MARKET PRICING DATA AND ANCILLARY SERVICES PRICING DATA. SO WE USE 2023 DATA TO COME UP WITH THE ERCOT MARKET PRICES, THE AVOIDED COST FOR DME SOLAR THAT WAS BASED ON THE EXISTING DENTON'S EXISTING POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE SOLAR ONLY. SO THAT ALSO IS CURRENT PRICING. IF I COULD FOLLOW UP JUST SOME OF THE INFORMATION NOT COME FROM THE NORTH TEXAS CENTRAL ORGANIZATION OF GOVERNMENTS OR SO THOSE ARE THE SOURCES THAT YOU RECALL THAT WERE UTILIZED TO PUT THIS REPORT TOGETHER, WE USED WE USED ERCOT DATA FOR THE ENERGY, THE ANCILLARY AND THE TRANSMISSION. OKAY. WE USED DENTON'S ACTUAL CONTRACTS FOR THE PPA DATA, FOR THE SOCIETAL BENEFITS, THERE'S MULTIPLE SOURCES, THERE'S FEDERAL SOURCE, THERE'S A MARKET IN THE NORTHEAST, THAT'S REGGIE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ALSO PAYS FOR CARBON CAPTURE. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE WRITTEN UP IN THE REPORT, BUT I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE 2019 COMMENT COMES FROM.

OKAY. AND THE GAS EMISSIONS FROM THE DEC, WE ARE 100% RENEWABLE DUE TO THE WE PURCHASE. THE OTHER THE CREDITS. RIGHT. IS THAT THAT'S HOW WE HAVE RENEWABLE CONTRACTS, FOR ALL OF THE POWER THAT YOU SERVE YOUR CUSTOMERS AND IF THERE'S ANY GAPS IN THERE, THEN DENTON WILL BUY RECS. ALSO OKAY. AND, CAN I JUST ASK HAVE HAS THERE BEEN HAS TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, HAS YOUR GROUP RECOMMENDED ZERO AS FAR AS SOCIETAL BENEFITS? BEFORE I KNOW THERE WAS THE EXAMPLE OF AUSTIN, AND AUSTIN IS NOT 100% RENEWABLE, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS THIS NORMAL? IS THIS, YOU KNOW, OR TYPICAL VERSUS ARE WE AN OUTLIER? SO THANK YOU AUSTIN. WE DID INCLUDE SOCIETAL BENEFITS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T 100% RENEWABLE. THE VALUE OF SOLAR RATES OFTEN GO WITH A BUY ALL SELL ALL BILLING AND METERING, WHICH IS WHAT AUSTIN HAS 100% OF

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WHAT THEY GENERATE IS SOLD DIRECTLY BACK TO THE UTILITY. 100% OF WHAT THEY BUY IS JUST AT THE REGULAR RESIDENTIAL RATE. THAT'S USUALLY WHEN YOU SEE THIS VALUE OF SOLAR USED. ANYTHING ELSE, ESPECIALLY A NET METERING OR NET BILLING. USUALLY YOU JUST SEE AVOIDED COSTS, SO THERE IS A SOCIETAL BENEFIT THERE, I KNOW IN MINNESOTA THEY HAVE A VALUE OF SOLAR METHODOLOGY AND XCEL ENERGY, ONE OF THEIR RATES UP THERE HAS A SOCIETAL BENEFIT IN IT ALSO, BUT I DON'T I DON'T SEE HIM TOO MUCH. THERE IS, CALIFORNIA HAS ITS OWN, AVOIDED COST CALCULATOR. AND IN THERE THEY HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR GREENHOUSE GAS GASES AND I'VE SEEN THAT I MEAN, DEPENDING ON THE YEAR YOU LOOK I'VE SEEN THAT 1 TO $0.03, SO CALIFORNIA DOES INCLUDE THAT. OKAY. AND THANK YOU BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY FACTORS THAT GO INTO THIS. AND THE SOCIETAL BENEFIT IS, IS ONE THAT FOR ME WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE CLOUDY FOR ME TO COME TO HARD NUMBERS. AND YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DETERMINE, OKAY, WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING VERSUS HOW MUCH THAT INCENTIVIZES. AND I GUESS THAT IS KIND OF THE MAIN, I GUESS, ARGUMENT FOR, SWITCHING THESE THIS AMOUNT OF FUNDS TO THE GREEN SENSE IS THAT IT'S MORE I MEAN, THE ARGUMENT I'VE HEARD IS, IS MORE ACCESSIBLE TO SOME THAT MAYBE COULDN'T AFFORD OR HAVE THE CREDIT TO GET THE SOLAR PANELS THAT THIS IS MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR THOSE THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, GET MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDOWS OR INSULATION OR THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'VE HEARD AS FAR AS IT'S MORE, YEAH, THEY'RE ACCESSIBLE IS THAT THERE ARE MORE CUSTOMERS THAT CAN BENEFIT FROM GREEN SENSE, BECAUSE IT CAN BE ANY CUSTOMER WITH A HOME, NOT A HOME WITH SOLAR, AND ALSO I THINK BILL HAS SOME STATS, BUT I THINK OVERALL THE, THE BENEFIT IS BETTER. AND CAN YOU ALSO, IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO HOW MUCH OF THE MONEY THAT IS CURRENTLY PUT IN GREEN SENSE, I MEAN, THAT'S ALL UTILIZED. I MEAN, WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS TO SHIFT THE MOVIE. THEY'RE THE MONEY. THEY'RE THINKING OR THE MONEY THAT THE DELTA, WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS IT JUST TO SIT THERE, WE WANT IT TO BE PUT TO THE USE THAT IT'S INTENDED TO, WHICH IS ENERGY EFFICIENCY, WHICH IS CLEAN ENERGY, ETC? SO I'M JUST I'M JUST TRYING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT ARE COMING INTO THIS RECOMMENDATION, AS WELL AS THE DECISION THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE OUT HERE. AS FAR AS CITIZENS, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THOSE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS, AND I WANT TO ADDRESS BOTH OF THEM. SO THE FIRST ONE I BROUGHT UP THE SLIDE OF THE COMPARISON BETWEEN SOLAR REBATES AT THE TIME AND THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY INCENTIVES. AND YOU SEE THE DOLLARS SPENT ON EACH CATEGORY AND HOW MANY RELATIVE CUSTOMERS THAT IMPACTED. SO FOR TWO MORE $2.2 MILLION SPENT ON ENERGY EFFICIENCY INCENTIVES, IT HELPED OVER 6000 CUSTOMERS AND THE COST OR THE REDUCTION PER DOLLAR SPENT, WAS TEN TONS PER $1,000 SPENT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE AVOIDING THAT KILOWATT HOUR AND YOU'RE SAVING THAT, THAT EFFICIENCY THAT I HIT IT ON A WRONG NOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER OKAY, SORRY AT FIRST. AND NOW I BELIEVE I'M FOLLOWING YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. AND THEN COMPARE THAT TO THE SOLAR REBATES. THE ALMOST $4 MILLION SPENT HELPS 700 PEOPLE. AND THE REDUCTION PER $1,000 SPENT WAS ABOUT 1.9 TONS. SO WE DO FEEL IT'S A BIGGER BANG FOR THE BUCK. AND AS FAR AS, THE EFFICACY OF THOSE PROGRAMS NOW, WE HAVE MR. GONYEA HERE, WHO RUNS THOSE PROGRAMS, AND I DO BELIEVE THEY'RE THEY'RE REALLY DOING VERY WELL THIS YEAR ON, SPENDING THOSE DOLLARS AND THOSE REBATE CATEGORIES 100%. WE'RE OUT. SO THEY ARE OUT OF THE MONEY. THAT WAS BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR. OKAY. FOR THIS YEAR. OKAY. AND, ONE LAST QUESTION. I APOLOGIZE. THIS MIGHT BE FOR STAFF, THE MAYOR. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT DOES COME UP EVERY FIVE YEARS OR. THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN CHOOSE TO REEVALUATE EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SOMETHING, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO EVALUATE THIS RATE EVERY FIVE YEARS. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH. BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE ARE MANY FACTORS THAT ARE COMING INTO TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION HERE.

THANK YOU. YES, I THINK I THINK JUST GIVEN WITH, HOW WE NORMALLY DO COST OF SERVICE STUDIES AND, AND I THINK THIS FITS WELL INTO THAT CATEGORY. WE WOULD ENVISION THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS WE WOULD ROLL THIS INTO THAT KIND OF CONVERSATION. KEEP IN MIND THAT, WE CONTINUE TO SEE INSTALLATIONS OF ROOFTOP SOLAR. AND SO WHILE WE HAVE ABOUT ABOUT 1100 CUSTOMERS TODAY COSTING US ABOUT 463,000, THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW AND THAT DELTA IS ONLY GOING TO GET BIGGER, AND SO I THINK JUST LOOKING AT THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS MAKES SENSE TO US. AND, AND WE WOULD WE WOULD

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LIKELY MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. SEEING NONE, LOOKING FOR DIRECTION. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT THREE. YEAH, I THINK IN TERMS OF STEERING US TOWARD NOT ONLY PAYING FOR ONLY RENEWABLE, BUT TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE USING, YOU KNOW, GREATER MIX OF RENEWABLE. I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF A TEN SEVEN RATE AND ALSO WITH GREEN SENSE DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE EVALUATING INCENTIVIZING PURCHASE OF BATTERY WALL WHEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH SOLAR. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. BASED ON SOME OF MY CONVERSATIONS EARLIER WITH STAFF, I WAS GOING TO COME IN A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN THAT, BUT IT SEEMS THAT WE MIGHT BE BUILDING CONSENSUS AROUND AROUND TEN. SO IF THAT'S WHERE WE CAN BUILD CONSENSUS, I'M I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I WAS GOING TO BE AROUND AROUND 8 OR 9, BUT I CAN I CAN BE AT TEN TO BUILD CONSENSUS. ANYONE ELSE? I. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. SORRY. SURE. I THINK AT THIS POINT, I FEEL THAT THE MONEY THAT THE DELTA GOING FROM CONSIDERING THE SOCIETAL BENEFIT OF ZERO AND THE MONEY GOING TO THE ENERGY AND EFFICIENCY INCENTIVES AT THIS TIME, SEEMS, THE BEST MOVE. SO THAT THAT'S MY DIRECTION. I'M SORRY I WASN'T TRACKING WITH YOU. STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE.

THIS IS A VERY CONFLICTING, BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY WANT TO STAY IN FRONT OF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE TREND IS GOING TO BE. I WOULD HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WANT TO STAY IN FRONT OF THAT. HOWEVER, I'M JUST REALLY FEELING LIKE I'M NOT FEELING I'M JUST REALLY THINKING THAT WE ARE WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET. SO AND IF WE ARE MAKING THESE KIND OF MOVES AND OUR COMMUNITY IS BEING ROBUST IN, UNDERSTANDING THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY PERSPECTIVE, WE CAN GET MORE PEOPLE ON BOARD WITH THAT. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE DOING THAT. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION FOR FROM THE CITY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR? I TRUST THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. I THINK THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING A FINE JOB. AND, AND I SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. I HAVE QUESTIONS. I'LL BEGIN WITH THE END. WELL, LET ME DO THIS. HOW MUCH? WELL, FIRST, I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE. LET ME GET YOUR NAME RIGHT. I'M SORRY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG, JILL, IF YOU COULD SHARE WITH US YOUR YOUR JUST SNAPSHOT YOUR CV, YOUR YOUR HISTORY, YOUR EXPERIENCE, PLEASE. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THOSE WATCHING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE INDUSTRY, SO I'VE BEEN IN THE ENERGY CONSULTING INDUSTRY ABOUT 25 YEARS. I STARTED OUT IN 1998, IN KANSAS CITY AT BLACK AND VEATCH. MY UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE IS ACTUALLY MECHANICAL ENGINEERING, BUT THEN I WENT ON AND GOT MY MBA, AND SINCE THEN I HAVE DONE A LOT OF FINANCIAL WORK, PRIMARILY PRIMARILY FOR MUNICIPAL UTILITIES. I'VE DONE COST OF SERVICE STUDIES AND RATE DESIGN STUDIES FOR 25 YEARS, WE'VE BEEN CONSULTING ENGINEER OF RECORD FOR MUNICIPAL UTILITIES. I DO PULL ATTACHMENT FEES. I DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS, PRIMARILY IN THE MUNICIPAL ARENA. I ALSO DO A LITTLE BIT OF, EXPERT WITNESS AND LITIGATION WORK, ESPECIALLY IN TEXAS, AROUND TRANSMISSION COSTS, SERVICE FILINGS. BUT ALSO SUPPORTING, PEOPLE IN OTHER STATES. AND THAT AND THAT IS NOT MUNICIPAL WORK. THAT USUALLY IS MORE LIKE PRIVATE COMPANY WORK.

GOT IT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE. AND YEAH, SO I'LL START AT THE END. I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO ALSO SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION SO THAT WE HAVE THAT CLEAR FIRST. BUT THEN HERE'S WHY, LOOKING AT THE EFFECTIVENESS THAT THAT WAS

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DEMONSTRATED THERE. AND I'VE SEEN WHAT MR. GONYEA TOUCHED ON WHEN I GO TO LOCAL BIKE SHOPS AND PEOPLE ARE WAITING IN QUEUE TO GET THE ELECTRIC BIKES OR DO THOSE THINGS, AND ALSO MY OTHER CONCERN IS, AND I WOULD ASK STAFF TO COME BACK EARLIER THAN FIVE YEARS AND HERE'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO SOMETHING AROUND THE LOAN MECHANISM, BECAUSE I'M ALL FOR ACTIVATING MORE PEOPLE INTO PURCHASING SOLAR. WHAT? I'M NOT FOR IS HAVING A GROUP OF PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE LIKE, I FIRSTHAND GOT ON THE PHONE WITH A GUY THAT WAS TRYING TO SELL MY DAD SOLAR, AND IT'S LIKE, OH, IT'S THIS MUCH IF YOU FINANCE IT. AND THEN HE ALMOST HUNG UP ON ME WHEN I SAID, WELL, HOW ABOUT WE JUST PAY FOR IT? CASH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT IS. AND SO OUR CITIZENS ARE MAYBE ADVERSE OR NOT, UP TO SPEED, BUT I WANT TO I WANT TO INCENTIVIZE THAT, BUT I WANT TO US TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. SO I WOULD I WOULD ADVOCATE WE COME BACK EARLIER THAN FIVE YEARS WITH A PLAN TO INCENTIVIZE SOLAR LEVERAGE, THAT PLAYING FIELD AS FAR AS THE LOANS AND IDENTIFY ISSUES WITH PREDATORY LOANS, THAT SORT OF THING. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY ASK.

AND THEN I'D BE ON BOARD WITH THAT, BY THE WAY, FOR DIRECTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THEN OTHER THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME, CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH JUST ON AN AVERAGE DAY, HOW MUCH ENERGY RUNS THROUGH ERCOT? LIKE, HOW MUCH? HOW MANY MEGA GIGAS IS THAT? THAT'S A TERRY NULTY QUESTION. AND I'M SURE THAT TERM IS WRONG. SO HERE'S THE HERE'S THE LOADED QUESTION. WHAT PERCENTAGE IS THE WHOLE USE IN AN AVERAGE DAY AND IN WHAT PERCENTAGE OF DENTON IS THAT? BECAUSE YOU'RE USING YOUR ANALOGY OF A POOL, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, IF WE DO 100% RENEWABLE, IF WE DO CARBON NEUTRAL, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF DENTON IS THAT? BECAUSE EVERYTHING HAS TO GO UP AND COME BACK DOWN SO THAT PERCENTAGE IS THE PERCENTAGE? YES. NO MATTER WHAT WE DO. TERRY NOLTE, ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER, DME SO IT VARIES FROM MINUTE TO MINUTE WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS. BUT AS A RULE OF THUMB, DENTON MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC IS ABOUT A HALF A PERCENT OF THE TOTAL ERCOT ELECTRIC DEMAND ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS, ABOUT A HALF A PERCENT, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO. YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE HOTTEST DAY OF THE YEAR WHEN WE HAVE THE HIGHEST LOAD, IT'S ABOUT A HALF A PERCENT. IT'S LESS THAN THAT. MOST DAYS OF THE YEAR. GOT IT. THANK YOU. AND THEN WHO WHO COULD ANSWER THIS QUESTION? IF I LOOK AT THAT 463,069 463 $463,069, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO OUR RATE IF WE JUST PUT THAT BACK INTO THE INTO THE FUND, IF WE DON'T TAKE IT TO GREEN SENSE, IF WE DO PUT IT PUT IT BACK TO THE WHAT'S THAT REBATE IF THERE'S WHAT'S THAT REBATE TO THE TO THE RATEPAYER, IT WOULD PULL ABOUT A THIRD OF A PERCENT OFF OF OUR RATE PRESSURE. SO IT MIGHT ALLOW US TO, EXTEND ANY KIND OF FUTURE RATE INCREASE CONVERSATIONS. I'D BE IT WOULDN'T COMPLETELY DELETE IT, BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY PULL SOME PRESSURE OFF OF IT. YEAH. BECAUSE WE IN THE COLUMN THAT WE'RE INCREASING. RIGHT. BECAUSE I ALWAYS FORGET THE COLUMNS. RIGHT. YES IN THE COLUMN THAT WE'RE SCHEDULED FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR, POTENTIALLY IN THAT AREA. OR IS IT IN A DIFFERENT AREA. IT WOULD PULL OFF THE PRESSURE. IT WOULDN'T DELETE THAT RATE INCREASE. WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THIS YEAR. SURE. I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE THAT IN A FOLLOW UP, BECAUSE THAT'S VALUING THE GREEN SENSE. BUT ALSO LISTENING TO PEOPLE SAYING THEY NEED RELIEF IN THEIR HOME EVERY MONTH. CERTAINLY I WOULD I'D WANT TO SEE THAT. SO THAT WOULD BE MY OTHER THING, AND THEN, LET ME SEE IF YOU ANSWERED A LOT WHILE I WAS MAKING NOTES. BEAR WITH ME. OH, CAN YOU GO BACK TO, CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SLIDE? THE LAST SLIDE THAT YOU ADDED THAT HAD THE VALUE OF THE REBATES THAT THAT THAT SLIDE. I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED IN HOW TO READ THIS BECAUSE ON THE ON THE RIGHT COLUMN, THE SOLAR REBATE, YOU SAY 700 REBATES ISSUED. THAT'S I READ THAT TO BE HOMES. BUT THEN UNDERNEATH THERE YOU SAY 1163 HOMES. SO CAN YOU HELP ME READ THOSE NUMBERS? NO, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, SO THOSE

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700 REBATES CAUSED AN OFFSET OF ABOUT 13,000 KILOWATT HOURS. OKAY AND THAT 13,000 KILOWATT HOURS WAS EQUIVALENT TO ABOUT 1163 HOMES. SO EVEN THOUGH THE MONEY SPENT, THE $4 MILLION SPENT IN 700 REBATES ISSUED, THERE WERE MORE THAN 700 HOMES GETTING SOLAR EVERY YEAR. WE RAN OUT OF REBATE DOLLARS, BUT WE PUT MORE AND MORE HOMES ON THE GRID, SO THERE'S ALMOST 1300 HOMES NOW THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE SOLAR, THE SOLAR ENERGY COMING OFF OF THOSE HOMES IS EQUIVALENT TO PRODUCING OR FEEDING ABOUT 1163 HOMES. SO SORRY ABOUT THE CONFUSION THERE, BUT ONE IS REBATES AND THE OTHER IS TOTAL OFFSET OF THE SOLAR. AND DENTON GOT IT. OKAY. AND THEN HOW MANY HOW MANY RATEPAYERS DOES DENTON HAVE ROUND NUMBERS. 65,000. OKAY GOT IT. OKAY AND THEN LET'S SEE.

ANSWER THAT QUESTION. GOT IT. OKAY YEAH. THAT THAT THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTIONS. ANYTHING ELSE FROM FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE, ANYTHING GREAT. BU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT GREEN SENSE PROGRAMS. I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO TAKE IT, BUT, DON'T THEY GENERALLY RESULT IN PEOPLE HAVING LOWER ELECTRIC BILLS? PEOPLE WHO ARE BEFORE THEY PARTICIPATE IN VARIOUS GREEN SENSE INCENTIVES, PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR ENERGY THAT ISN'T BENEFITING THEM. CORRECT. SO IT'LL IT'LL IT'LL LOWER THEIR BILLS. ABSOLUTELY OKAY. JUST AND THIS IS WHAT THAT THAT SLIDE IS TRYING TO SHOW THE IMPACT OF THAT. YEAH OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY GREAT. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THAT TAKES US TO WE TAKE FIVE. YES WE'LL BE BACK AT WE'LL TAKE A BREAK. BE BACK AT, IT IS 409. AND WE'RE BACK INTO THE WORK SESSION. WE ARE TO ITEM D, I'D 241833 RECEIVER REPORT

[D. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the Downtown Business Grant Program. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

AND HOLD DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS GRANT PROGRAM. GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR COUNCIL. CASSIE OGDEN, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER HERE TO PRESENT THE DOWNTOWN SMALL BUSINESS UTILITY REIMBURSEMENT GRANT. BEFORE I GET STARTED, WHILE I'M UP HERE PRESENTING THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY DID THE WORK BEHIND THE SCENES, I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE BRITTANY SOTELO, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, AND ALSO KRISTIN POLITO, OUR MAIN STREET MANAGER. THEY'VE REALLY HELPED, PUSH THIS PROJECT FORWARD AND HELPED RESEARCH ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE. SO WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN SMALL BUSINESSES? WELL, AS YOU KNOW, SMALL BUSINESSES ARE VITAL TO OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY IN DOWNTOWN, SMALL BUSINESSES ARE IMPORTANT TO DOWNTOWN. DENTON'S CHARACTER AND IDENTITY. THEY CREATE JOBS. THEY INVEST BACK INTO OUR COMMUNITY. THEY FOSTER ENTREPRENEURSHIP, THE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR, SANCTIONED A STUDY BY THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT SAN ANTONIO IN 2016 THAT SAID, $586 BILLION IS THE IMPACT THAT SMALL BUSINESSES HAVE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND 14.97 BILLION IS GENERATED BY SMALL BUSINESSES IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT REVENUES. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT, NOT ONLY TO OUR ECONOMIC WELFARE BUT JUST OUR COMMUNITY IN GENERAL. SO WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS? WE ARE WE'RE PRESENTING A PLAN TO PROVIDE A GRANT, A ONE TIME GRANT PROGRAM FOR THESE SMALL BUSINESSES. THE PROPOSAL IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH SEVERAL CITY PLANS, INCLUDING OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. SO YOU MAY REMEMBER BACK IN, I THINK IT WAS JUNE 2023 AT OUR COUNCIL RETREAT, ONE OF THE KEY FOCUS AREAS WAS TO FOSTER ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND AFFORDABILITY, AND ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT COUNCIL REQUESTED AS PART OF DURING THAT RETREAT WAS REALLY TO ENHANCE SUPPORT FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, THE DESIGN DOWNTOWN DENTON PLAN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TONIGHT, LATER TONIGHT HAS A KEY FOCUS AREA TO EXPAND PROGRAMS TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES. THE ECONOMIC

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DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT DID A SMALL BUSINESS SURVEY OF OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, THEY SURVEYED A TOTAL OF 253 BUSINESSES, WITH 55 COMPLETING THE SURVEY. SO ABOUT 22%, TO HEAR WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE. SO DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, THEIR TOP CONCERNS WERE MARKETING, MAINTAINING A SUSTAINABLE WORKFORCE. AND THEN OUR UNHOUSED POPULATION. WE ASKED, WHAT CAN THE CITY DO TO SUPPORT THESE BUSINESSES? THEY SAID INCENTIVES, UTILITY RELIEF.

DURING CERTAIN MONTHS OF THE YEAR, THEY'RE SLOWER DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS. AND SO THEY THEY ASKED FOR UTILITY RELIEF. AND THEN ALSO INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH YOU ALL KNOW THAT THE ELM AND LOCUST STREETS HAVE RECENTLY BEEN REDONE, CAUSING IMPACTS TO OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. SO WE ARE PROPOSING A, UTILITY RELIEF GRANT PROGRAM FOR OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES.

REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT THREE. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO SORT OF SAY WHAT I THINK THIS REALLY IS.

AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT IF I'M WAY OFF THE RESERVATION, PLEASE CORRECT ME THAT REALLY THE IMPETUS HERE IS YOU KNOW, TRIGGERED BY THE VISITATION OF TEX DOT LIKE A CONSTRUCTIVE, HORDE OF LOCUSTS AT THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME FOR THE SQUARE. CONSTRUCTIVE IN THAT, LIKE THEY LEFT IT NICE AND IN ABOUT HALF THE TIME, THEY SAID THEY'RE LESS THAN HALF THE TIME. BUT IT WAS A POTENTIALLY EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO BUSINESSES THAT WERE COMING OUT OF THE DOLDRUMS OF THE SUMMER. AND SO WHILE WE CAN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, ANY TIME THERE'S AN IMPACT ON ANY KIND OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION, KEEP PEOPLE WHOLE. THIS IS KIND OF A UNIQUELY DIFFERENT SITUATION WHERE, I MEAN, THE CITY HAD NO ADVANCE WARNING ON THIS. ANY MEANINGFUL ADVANCE WARNING AND THE BUSINESSES THAT REALLY HAD NO OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN, THEY WERE PRETTY DISTRESSED. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A VERY CLEVER WAY TO UTILIZE SOME FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO, TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP, KEEP THIS IMPORTANT PART OF OUR ECONOMIC CLIMATE INTACT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'M SORT OF INCLINED TO I'M, AND I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT BASED ON WHAT I'VE SAID, NOT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THE BROADER CONTEXT OF WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED. CARE TO CHALLENGE ANYTHING I'VE SAID OR. NO, YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY, GOOD. THANKS ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? WELL, DO YOU HAVE DIRECTION, SUPPORT? ALL RIGHT. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

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ONE, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT, BUT I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE BOUNDARY THERE, MY QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE SET IN STONE ON OUR, OUR FINAL FINAL FOR OUR DOWNTOWN BOUNDARY AREA BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WENT OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF QUAKER QUAKERTOWN PARK, BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE'S ONE ADDITIONAL BUSINESS THAT I THOUGHT WAS WAS WOULD BE PULLED INTO DOWNTOWN THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO MISS OUT ON. AND I TOLD THEM I WOULD SUPPORT THEM. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS NEITHER HERE NOR THERE THING, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO PUT IT OUT ON ON THE TABLE. THIS BUSINESS IS JUST OVER RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM, SENIOR CITIZEN CENTER ANDERSON'S, THEY'VE REQUESTED TO BE PULLED INTO THE DOWNTOWN SECTOR, AND I BELIEVE I MENTIONED THAT I DIDN'T WANT THEM TO MISS OUT ON THIS PARTICULAR OPPORTUNITY. IF WE DO FIND THAT THEY'RE IN THE DOWNTOWN SECTOR, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT HERE. SO WILL YOU ALL PLEASE LOOK INTO THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THEM PULLED IN AS THEY'RE A SMALL, NEW SMALL BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, TO THE CITY. SURE. SO YES. THEY'RE SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU, SO IS THIS IS IT OUR INTENTION THAT THIS IS A IS A ONE OFF 2024 PROGRAM OR IS THIS, SETTING THE STAGE AS A PILOT FOR FUTURE EFFORTS? SO RIGHT NOW, DUE TO FUNDING CONSTRAINTS, THIS IS THE AVAILABLE FUNDING THAT WE HAD FROM ARPA, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS ONE TIME IT'S GOING AWAY AFTER DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, OR IT'S NOT GOING AWAY. WE HAVE TO ENCUMBER IT BY DECEMBER OF 2024, BUT I FULLY INTEND TO BRING SOME OPTIONS FOR COUNCIL AS WE TALK ABOUT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AND OPTIONS, BECAUSE COUNCIL DID IDENTIFY SUPPORT FOR SMALL BUSINESSES AS ONE OF THEIR KEY FOCUS AREAS. SO, WE'LL BE HAVING MORE DISCUSSIONS IN THE FUTURE. SO THIS MAY BE LAYING THE GROUNDWORK FOR FUTURE DISCUSSIONS. YES. OKAY. AND THE, I DON'T THINK IT WAS IN THE BACKUP, BUT WOULD YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY ON WHY THIS PARTICULAR DOWNTOWN BOUNDARY? WE'VE ALREADY USED THIS DEFINITION FOR SOMETHING ELSE BEFORE OR NOT, I'M GOING TO ASK KRISTEN OR BRITTANY IF THEY CAN HELP ME WITH THAT ONE. YEAH. OKAY. HI THERE, KRISTEN POLITO, MAIN STREET PROGRAM MANAGER. WE CHOSE THIS PARTICULAR BOUNDARY BECAUSE IT WAS ALL ENCOMPASSING OF MOST OF THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, BUT THERE WILL BE EXCEPTIONS TO BE MADE AS APPLICATIONS COME IN. OKAY. TWO, TWO, TWO MORE QUESTIONS AND THEN I'M I'M DONE. AND I WILL SAY IN ANTICIPATION, I'M GENERALLY INCLINED TO GIVE DIRECTION FAVORING THIS. SO UNDERSTANDING THE PAYMENT MECHANISM, THIS IS UTILITY RELIEF. SO IS THE CEILING 1000 OR THE CEILING. IS THERE BILL THERE CEILING. THE CEILING IS THERE BILL OKAY. UP TO A THOUSAND. SO IF THEIR BILL IS OVER $1,000 THEY'RE STILL THEY'RE CAPPED AT 1000. BUT IF THEIR BILL FOR SOME REASON WAS 780 IT'S 780. IF THEY QUALIFY, IF THEY QUALIFY. CORRECT. AND THIS IS THIS IS DEEMED CREDIT. THIS ISN'T THIS ISN'T DOLLARS.

THIS IS THIS IS STORE CREDIT, AS IT WERE. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN DO WE IN A WAY OF UNDERSTANDING THE FRAMEWORK FOR, FOR THE NEEDS OF DOWNTOWN AND PUTTING IT INTO THE SORT OF GENERAL FRAMEWORK YOU OPENED UP WITH? DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT THE IMPACTS OF, THE HORDE OF LOCUSTS ANALOGY WAS ON OUR WE HAD ENOUGH TIME. IT'S BRAND NEW THE EVENT. BUT HAVE WE HAD A ENOUGH TIME TO ESTIMATE WHAT THAT IMPACT ON THE CITY WAS? WE HAVE NOT. WE HAVE HEARD FROM OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN IMPACTED, BUT WE HAVE NOT ESTIMATED TOTAL IMPACT YET. ALL RIGHT, MY DIRECTION IS, IS TO MOVE FORWARD FOR ALL THE REASONS I HAD IN MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL DOING THIS. AND, SARAH, I WANT TO PRAISE YOU FOR THE FORESIGHT IN HIRING A DOWNTOWN BUSINESS MANAGER THAT SHOWS THAT WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO THE SMALL BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN, DOWNTOWN. SO OR. CASSIE. THANK YOU. THAT WAS CHRISTINE. OKAY, FINE. CHRISTINE THANK SOMEBODY, WHOEVER IT IS. YEAH. SO, WE'VE

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GOT 185 LEFT, AND THIS MONEY HAS TO BE USED BY THIS YEAR. END OF THIS YEAR? YES NO, I'M NOT ASKING ABOUT THE CUT OFF, BUT I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THIS MONEY. SO IF THIS MONEY IS NOT GOING OUT THE DOOR AS FAST AS WE HAD HOPED IT WOULD GO OUT THE DOOR. ARE YOU ALL. IS STAFF PREPARED TO BRING US BACK SOMETHING RATHER QUICKLY IN DECEMBER, SO AS TO HOW WE CAN EXHAUST THE REST OF THIS MONEY? YES, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THIS BEING AN ISSUE. THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS I BROUGHT IT TO YOU NOW, BECAUSE I DO WANT TO GET THE PROGRAM DONE. ALL OF IT NOW. YES, WE HAVE 350 BUSINESSES THAT WE THINK WILL QUALIFY, FOR THIS. SO I THINK WE WILL EXHAUST THE MONEY, I THINK I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE A PROBLEM SPENDING ALL OF IT, BUT IF FOR SOME REASON WE DO NOT, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY BRING YOU AN ALTERNATIVE. IF A BUSINESS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES, CAN THEY USE THIS FOR A BILL THAT HAPPENED, MAYBE, SAY, IN THE MONTH OF JUNE OR JULY THAT HAS ALREADY PASSED THAT THEY HAVE ON HAND? CAN THEY STILL SUBMIT THAT NOW, EVEN THOUGH THAT PARTICULAR MONTH HAS ALREADY PASSED AND THAT BILL HAS BEEN PAID? SO I WILL BRING THE PARAMETERS BACK TO COUNCIL NEXT WEEK. BUT REALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MONTH OF AUGUST, AUGUST 2024, AUGUST, AND OH, JUST THAT MONTH, THE MONTH OF AUGUST. YES. CORRECT. BECAUSE I ASSUME THAT WAS THE HOTTEST MONTH THIS YEAR. OKAY. YES. WITH RESPECT TO THE PARAMETERS, I KNOW YOU SAID THERE IS GOING TO BE EXCEPTIONS MADE, IN MY MIND, I'M THINKING OF ONE. I BELIEVE THE BOUNDARY WENT DOWN TO, TO EAGLE OR THERE'S A HAT SHOP AND A REAL ESTATE SHOP ON THE OTHER SIDE. THAT WOULD BE AN EXCEPTION. THAT OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YES. I APPRECIATE THE HEAD NODS I'M SEEING OVER THERE. SO ELM AND LOCUST, THEY JUST HAD CONSTRUCTION NORTH OF THE OF THE SQUARE. THIS PROGRAM WASN'T IN EFFECT THEN. I, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA IF WE COULD LOOK AT INCLUDING SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES, BECAUSE I THINK THAT MANY OF US CONSIDER THAT DOWNTOWN TO SOME OF THOSE THOSE COMPANIES, I THINK, MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN ALSO APPLYING FOR THIS BECAUSE THEY TOO, WERE ENCUMBERED BY THE CONSTRUCTION THAT TOOK PLACE ON BOTH THOSE STREETS. OKAY. WE CAN WE CAN LOOK AT THE, THE BOUNDARY, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN IMPACTED YET. I MEAN, WE DO HAVE PHASE TWO COMING, THEY WEREN'T IMPACTED WITH THIS WITH THE MOST RECENT ONE, BUT THEY WERE RIGHT, RIGHT.

EARLIER THIS YEAR, LAST YEAR WE CAN EVALUATE THE BOUNDARY. WE CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN. OKAY.

THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR, HAS ANYBODY SAID ATTABOY I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE COMPLAIN THAT, THAT THERE WAS DISRUPTION OF BUSINESS, BUT NOW THAT IT'S FINISHED, HAS HAS ANYBODY BEEN HAS ANYBODY COMMENTED ABOUT. GOSH, THIS SURE IS A NICE SMOOTH STREET. I MEAN, I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT, BUT ME TOO. I DROVE AS SOON AS I FOUND I DROVE DOWN THERE TO, TO DRIVE ON IT AND ROLL A MARBLE DOWN IT. IT WAS VERY SMOOTH, PHASE TWO WILL WILL THERE BE SOMETHING SIMILAR NORTH AS FAR AS IMPACT? YES, PHASE TWO IS NOT PLANNED TO CLOSE. BOTH LANES AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN PHASE ONE, THE BOTH LANES WERE CLOSED AT THE SAME TIME ON THE SQUARE UP FROM HICKORY TO MCKINNEY. THAT WAS NOT NECESSARILY, BUT BOTH LANES WERE NOT CLOSED. ELM AND LOCUST, BETWEEN THE SQUARE AND EAGLE. RIGHT. AND YET THEY'RE INCLUDED.

YES SO LET ME REITERATE MY QUESTION IS THIS IS THIS GOING TO IS A SIMILAR PROGRAM GOING TO BE AVAILABLE NORTH OF THE SQUARE AT THIS TIME? I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT BECAUSE THIS IS USING ONE TIME FUNDING I SEE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX, COUNCILPERSON JESTER. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS TO US. WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE HAVING THESE FUNDS THAT ARE NOT COMING FROM, THE DENTON CITIZENS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO ALLOCATE. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO SAY EVERY BUSINESS IN TOWN GETS THIS, OR EVERY SMALL BUSINESS IN TOWN GETS THIS. I GET THAT, I'VE COMMENTED BEFORE, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY, I DO THINK WE MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY TO VET THIS THROUGH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD.

THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THEY'RE HERE, AND I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE HAD THEIR INPUT, SPECIFICALLY ON THE SCORING, YOU KNOW, BOUNDARIES, WHAT HAVE YOU. SO, YOU KNOW, JUST PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND. WE DO WANT THAT CITIZEN INPUT WHENEVER WE CAN, I'M ASSUMING THERE IS GOING TO

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BE SOME KIND OF FINITE TIMELINE AND SOME KIND OF MECHANISM TO MAKE SURE WE ARE REACHING EVERYONE SO THAT EVERYONE WHO COULD BE AN APPLICANT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW ABOUT IT.

I'M SURE. YES IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS THAT COULD GET DOWN IN THE WEEDS, BUT I THINK THAT INSTEAD I'M GOING TO SAY I APPRECIATE THE FUNDS. I RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE DOWNTOWN SMALL BUSINESSES TO DENTON'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS A DRIVER. I APPRECIATE THE DRIVER OF TOURISM AND THE SALES TAX DOLLARS THAT THESE BUSINESSES BRING. AND I ALSO RECOGNIZE HOW MUCH THEY DO WITH ALL OF THE MAIN STREET TYPE, EVENTS AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT THEY DO WITH US IN ORDER TO HELP MAKE THE CITY A BETTER PLACE. SO WITH THAT, I WOULD SAY MY DIRECTION IS TO ACCEPT AS PROPOSED THIS PLAN. AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE CREATIVITY AND FINDING A WAY TO UTILIZE THESE FUNDS THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PURPOSE THEY WERE GIVEN. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE? JUST TO PUT A PIN ON SOMETHING FOR THE FUTURE. AS WE LOOK AT OTHER IMPACTS ON SMALL BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, THE FLIP SIDE OF THIS SITUATION WAS THEY REALLY DID LEAVE VERY QUICKLY, AND AT LEAST ON THE SURFACE, LOOKS LIKE A GOOD JOB. AND I WONDER IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN LEARN FROM HOW THEY DID THAT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU KNOW, THINGS USUALLY TAKE A LOT LONGER THAN THAT. AND MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN APPLY FOR.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE ELM AND LOCUST KIND OF CONSTRUCTION, ROAD CONSTRUCTION FOR OTHER ROAD CONSTRUCTION THAT AFFECTS SMALL BUSINESS. SO THERE WERE NO UTILITY RELOCATIONS OR UPGRADES OR ANY TYPE OF UTILITY WORK ASSOCIATED. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THE ROADWAY WAS ABLE TO BE DONE. SO QUICKLY, THERE WAS NO UTILITY WORK ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PHASE OF THE PROJECT. OKAY.

THANKS REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO, I'D LIKE TO SORT OF COMBINE WHAT I HEARD FROM, COUNCILOR HOLLAND AND, AND MAYOR PRO TEM, AND THAT IS, AS WE EVALUATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THIS PROGRAM AND WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THE FUTURE, IT TWO THINGS. ONE, IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO KNOW THE IMPACTS, NOT JUST IN THE DEFINED BOUNDARY REGION, BUT SEVERAL OF US HAVE MENTIONED WHAT ARE THE WHAT WERE THE IMPACTS OF THIS? THESE JULY AND AUGUST EVENTS, THESE THIS THIS AUGUST EVENT ON, OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY REGIONS. AND THEN IF WE COULD ESTIMATE WHAT THE SAVINGS WERE FROM IT, HAVE IT LASTING TWO WEEKS INSTEAD OF FOUR WEEKS. AND BECAUSE WE CAN USE THAT, I HOPE MAYBE AS, AS A, AS RATIONALE FOR MAKING OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAMS NORTH OF THE SQUARE HAPPEN THAT MUCH MORE ROBUSTLY IF WE CAN SAVE OUR BUSINESSES AND OUR TAX BASE, IF WE DO ENGAGE IN A FUTURE NORTH OF THE SQUARE PROGRAM, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE THAT WE KNOW IN ADVANCE WHAT OUR PROGRAM, WHAT OUR LIKELIHOODS ARE LIKELY TO BE, OR WHAT WHAT OUR IMPACTS FOR BOTH TIME AND DURATION ARE LIKELY TO BE. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE CAN DO THAT. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. FOR THE SAKE OF CLARITY, HERE, THIS PARTICULAR INCENTIVE, I DID NOT THINK THAT IT WAS NECESSARILY TIED TO THE ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION, BUT TIED TO AN INCENTIVE TO ASSIST THE DOWNTOWN PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TO GET BACK ABOVE AND BEYOND THE IMPACT OF HIGH UTILITY BILLS. HOW IS THIS BEING CONNECTED TO THE ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION? PLEASE EDUCATE ME, STAFF IS NOT CONNECTING IT TO THE ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M SUPPORTIVE, BUT JUST FOR CLARITY, AND WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION GOING UP NORTH, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY DOWNTOWN AND JUST AN INCENTIVE FOR RELIEF FOR UTILITY BILLS BECAUSE UTILITY BILLS WERE EXTRA HIGH. AND I THINK THAT WE DO WANT TO SUPPORT OUR DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, JUST BY HELPING THEM OUT, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED, EXTENDED

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ONE TIME BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. SO THE OTHER THING IS THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S WORKING ON ME IS WHETHER OR NOT THESE ARPA FUNDS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE RENEWED AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FILL. SO THAT WAS AS A RESULT OF THE WHOLE COVID, YOU KNOW, SITUATION THAT WAS GOING ON. SO EVEN JUST HAVING THIS CONVERSATION FOR INCENTIVE PACKAGES OR INCENTIVE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO, THEN THAT IS THAT PART IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR BUDGET OF SOME SORT. SO YES, THANK YOU. OKAY. I DIDN'T GIVE YOU DIRECTION. YOU GOT IT. I'LL TAKE IT. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR, PLEASE. I SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL. GOT IT. OKAY YOU

[E. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on pending City Council requests for: 1) Request for a work session to examine and reform the City’s local campaign finance rules. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

HAVE WHAT YOU NEED. YES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. TAKES US TO OUR LAST WORK SESSION. BEFORE THE CLOSED, ITEM E ID 241272. RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON PENDING CITY COUNCIL REQUEST. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. CARLOTTA COWAN, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER HERE TO PRESENT CITY COUNCIL PENDING REQUEST FOR INFORMATION. ALSO KNOWN AS THE TWO MINUTE PITCH. SO JUST A FEW REMINDERS THAT THE REQUESTING COUNCIL MEMBER WILL HAVE ONE MINUTE TO DESCRIBE THEIR REQUES, AND THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO PROVIDE THEIR SUPPORT OR NOT. SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST. THIS PARTICULAR ITEM TODAY WILL BE IMPACTED DEPENDING ON IF THE TWO MINUTE PITCH ORDINANCE COMING TO YOU ON THIS EVENING WILL BE APPROVED, AND THAT WILL IMPACT THE NEXT STEPS FOR THIS REQUEST. ALSO, WHEN GIVING YOUR SUPPORT, WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU PROVIDE A CATEGORIZATION OF IT USING HIGH, MODERATE OR LOW FOR THAT TIME SENSITIVITY. SO THE ITEM THAT WE HAVE TODAY IS A REQUEST FOR A WORK SESSION TO EXAMINE AND REFORM THE CITY'S LOCAL CAMPAIGN FINANCE RULES. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE.

MAYOR, BEFORE YOU START, QUESTION FOR YOU AND OR THE CITY ATTORNEY. GO RIGHT AHEAD. I'M NOT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S YOU OR WHATEVER ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. I HEARD STAFF SAY THAT DEPENDING ON HOW THIS PITCH GOES, IT'LL BE IMPACTED ON ONE OF THE ITEMS TONIGHT. HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT, BECAUSE WHAT WE DO TONIGHT IS NOT IN EFFECT NOW. WHAT WE DO TONIGHT WILL BE EFFECT AFTER IT IS IN FACT VOTED ON AND APPROVED TONIGHT. SO THE RESULTS OF THIS PITCH, I DON'T BELIEVE, SHOULD BE AFFECTED BY THE OUTCOME OF ITEM. J TONIGHT I WANT TO CAN I CLARIFY THE NEXT STEPS FOR IT. SO AFTER IF CONSENSUS CONSENSUS IS REACHED FOR YOUR REQUEST THEN THE NEXT STEPS AFTER. YEAH I'LL BE IMPACTED. YES MA'AM. I UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT I'M NOT SURE NEXT STEPS SHOULD BE IMPACTED BECAUSE THE RESULTS OF J ARE NOT IN EFFECT.

THEY WON'T BE IN EFFECT UNTIL TONIGHT. IF WE PASS IT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, MAYOR? YES. I THOUGHT MAC. WELL, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, YOU'RE YOU'RE WHAT YOU'VE LAID OUT IS INCORRECT BECAUSE SOMEONE COULD THEN EASILY DO A MOTION TO RECONSIDER BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING. AND SO IT'S NOT BOUND AND LOCKED IN UNTIL A WEEK, AT BEST. TWO WEEKS. YOU MEAN A MOTION TO RECONSIDER ITEM J TONIGHT? NO SOME DIRECTION HERE IS NOT A VOTE. SO WE'RE NOT TAKING A VOTE. SURE. BUT WE ARE VOTING TONIGHT AND THAT. SO THAT IS A VOTE THAT'S OFFICIAL ACTION. THIS IS DIRECTION. THAT'S OFFICIAL ACTION. IT WOULD COME BACK AFTER THAT. I MEAN, MAC CAN CAN SPEAK TO IT BETTER THAN ME, BUT I'M JUST I MEAN, AND I HAVE NO TIME TO RESEARCH OR PREPARE FOR IT, BUT THAT'S THAT'S MY READ ON. IT IS THAT A VOTE WILL HAPPEN. THAT'S IN THE AFFIRMATIVE VERSUS DIRECTION, WHICH IS NOT SOLIDIFIED, BUT MATT, I JUST DON'T KNOW. YEAH, I THINK IT'S A FAIR POINT. I THINK STAFF HAS ALREADY KIND OF INDICATED IN THE EYES WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO, WHICH IS FOLLOW UP WITH THE REPORT, KIND OF A ALONG THE LINES OF THE NEW PROCESS.

AND THEN THE AGENDA COMMITTEE ALWAYS HAS HAD THE ABILITY TO SCHEDULE WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY THE DIVERSION BETWEEN WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND WHAT YOU THINK THE STAFF OR WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TONIGHT. HOW DOES THAT CHANGE FROM WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? SO I'M ASKING FOR A WORK SESSION ON THIS ITEM. IF I KNOW THAT WE STARTED THIS DISCUSSION DURING THE RETREAT, AND THIS WAS A WAY TO GET SOME OF OUR COUNCIL, SOME OF OUR COUNCIL AND CITIZEN COMMITTEES MORE INVOLVED AND STUFF TO MORE THOROUGHLY FLESH

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THEM OUT BEFORE THEY COME BACK TO US. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT IS NOT EXACTLY THAT IS NOT ENTIRELY WHAT WE DO UNLESS AND UNTIL WE PASS ITEM J TONIGHT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? RIGHT. WE DON'T WE DON'T DO THAT YET. RIGHT. THE ORDINANCE TONIGHT WOULD BE AMENDING THE TWO MINUTE PROCESS. YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T WANT IT TO FOLLOW THE NEW TWO MINUTE PROCESS THAT'S PROPOSED TONIGHT? IF THAT'S ADOPTED, YOU WANT TO FOLLOW IT. THE EXISTING PROCESS, WHICH WOULD BE STRAIGHT TO A WORK SESSION. YES. BECAUSE TO BE HONEST, ITEM J WAS PULLED. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF ITEM J IS GOING TO BE APPROVED TONIGHT. RIGHT NO I PULLED I PULLED I'M NOT SURE YOU HAVE TO ASK, MAYOR.

MY APOLOGIES. SO ITEM FOR THIS IS ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. THAT'S THE ANIMAL SHELTER THING. THAT'S WHAT WAS PULLED J I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSENT. J SIR, I DIDN'T PULL CONSENT J BUT I MARKED IT DOWN AS IT WAS PULLED. CORRECT CONSENT CHECK. OKAY. AND YOU LISTED IT OKAY. BECAUSE A LOT OF ITEMS IT WAS A LOT. I'M NOT TRYING TO CAUSE MORE CONFUSION OR CONSTERNATION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS MY. I'M ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION. MY OPINION IS THAT THIS PITCH TODAY GOES UNDER THE RULES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING. IF AND WHEN ITEM J IS APPROVED TONIGHT, THEN WE WOULD BE USING DIFFERENT RULES FOR A TWO MINUTE PITCH BASED ON WHAT'S APPROVED TONIGHT. CHRISTINE TAYLOR, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT SINCE WE GOT CONSENSUS ON THE PITCH, IT'S BEING VOTED ON TONIGHT. IF THIS ITEM GETS CONSENSUS, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE NEW PROPOSED PLAN.

STAFF WILL DO AN ISR OR AN INFORMAL STAFF REPORT, GET THE INFORMATION BACK TO YOU, AND THEN THERE IS A DECISION TO BE MADE. IF YOUR REQUEST HAS BEEN SATISFIED. AND THEN WE'LL PUT IT TO AGENDA COMMITTEE. IF IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH AN ADDITIONAL, COMMITTEE BEFORE COMING TO A WORK SESSION. SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO FOLLOW THE NEW PROCESS. ARE WE ON ARE WE ON PROCESS BECAUSE TALK ABOUT PRECEDENTS LIKE TO HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF CONVERSATION BEFORE YOU DO YOUR PITCH. THAT'S I'VE NOT DISCUSSED THE PITCH. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS OF THE PITCH. I HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE PITCH. SAME THING. LIKE WE CAN'T. WE CAN'T. I'LL DEFER TO YOU. I GUESS THE DIFFERENCE IS YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY ASKING FOR A WORK SESSION. IF WHAT WE'RE BEING WHAT I'M BEING TOLD IS THAT I'M GOING TO GET AN ISR, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK FOR MORE DISCUSSION. WELL, I DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT. TO THE MAYOR'S POINT. FIRST, IT IS OUT OF THE NORM, CERTAINLY, THAT WE HAVE QUESTIONS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THESE ARE GOING TO BE DONE. I THINK IN THE PAST WE'VE LIMITED QUESTIONS. WE'VE JUST HAD THE PITCH AND GOTTEN DIRECTION AND MOVED ON FROM THERE. BUT TO YOUR POINT, WHICH IS WHERE DOES IT GO FROM HERE? I THINK THE BEST WE COULD DO, BECAUSE IT'S A KIND OF A FLUX PERIOD WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, IS HAVE THE COUNCIL GIVE DIRECTION. SO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT THE DIRECTION AS PART OF THE DIRECTION. WHICH PROCESS DO YOU WANT IT TO FOLLOW? I THINK THAT'S THE BEST YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO. WELL, SINCE WE'RE IN THIS IN-BETWEEN PHASE RIGHT NOW.

SO I SHOULD INCLUDE THIS OKAY. IN MY PITCH. OKAY OKAY. WELL, I'M GOING TO CHALLENGE THAT BECAUSE WE WEREN'T GIVEN NOTICE OF THAT. RIGHT. LIKE, THAT CAN'T BE NOTICE OF A DIFFERENT PITCH.

RIGHT. LIKE THAT'S NOT THAT WASN'T PRESENTED. BUT ANYWAY THE PITCH IS FOR A WORK SESSION. I MEAN, IF I'M READING WHAT IT SAYS HERE, IT SAYS YES, PITCHES FOR A WORK SESSION TO EXAMINE THE TO EXAMINE THIS. YEAH. OKAY. SO I STILL YOU DO I STILL NEED TO ASK FOR COUNCIL DIRECTION ON THE PROCESS. CORRECT. I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD GIVE DIRECTION ON WHICH PROCESS THEY WANTED TO FOLLOW. SINCE WE HAVE A NEW PROCESS BEING ADOPTED TODAY AS WELL. AND COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE, THE PITCH DOESN'T. IT WILL GET TO A WORK SESSION. WE'RE JUST SAYING THE NEW PROCESS STAFF DOES SOME DUE DILIGENCE ON YOUR REQUEST, PROVIDES YOU AN INFORMAL STAFF REPORT, AND YOU CAN DETERMINE DOES THIS SATISFY WHAT I NEED OR NOT? IT WILL. IF THERE'S A APPLICABLE COMMITTEE, IT WILL GO THROUGH THERE AND THEN BE THE WORK SESSION. SO ULTIMATELY IT STILL GETS TO THE WORK SESSION. THE NEW PITCH JUST INCORPORATES ADDITIONAL DUE DILIGENCE AND MORE COMMUNITY INPUT. OKAY YEAH I'LL TALK ABOUT WHEN I DO THE PITCH BECAUSE I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I HEAR HIM SAYING WE'RE NOT POSTING FOR THIS. SO ALL RIGHT, WHEN YOU'RE READY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, I GUESS I GUESS LET'S GET STARTED. SO I RISE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO TO TRANSFORM HOW THIS CITY OPERATES IN TERMS OF HOW WE RUN CAMPAIGNS AND WIN ELECTIONS. SO IF WE DO THIS CORRECTLY, THIS VERY WELL COULD BE THE TOUGHEST LOCAL CAMPAIGN FINANCE ORDINANCE IN THE STATE. A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR THIS FOR TRANSPARENCY'S SAKE, BUT I'M CALLING FOR IT FOR ACCESSIBILITY

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AT STAKE. ACCESS IS IMPORTANT TO ME. ACCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT REGULAR FOLKS CAN HAVE THE ABILITY TO RUN CAMPAIGNS AND WIN ELECTIONS. AND THIS IS A WAY TO MINIMIZE THE EFFECT OF MONEY IN THAT. HOW DID I GET HERE? I STARTED WITH MY CAMPAIGN RAISING ABOUT $40,000, WINNING AN AT LARGE CITY ELECTION, AND I WORKED BACKWARDS FROM THERE, IF WE THINK THAT DENTON FOLKS SHOULD HAVE MORE SAY IN HOW CAMPAIGNS ARE ARE FINANCED, THEN THAT'S HOW I GOT TO $20,000. AND I SAID, PERHAPS WE SHOULD LET THOSE FOLKS OUTSIDE OF THAT AND HAVE A SLIGHTLY LESSER SAY. AND ONE POINT OF CONSTERNATION FOR SOME FOLKS. BUT SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME IS THAT WE CAN, IN FACT, HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT LIMITS IN THE MONEY THAT WE DONATE TO OUR OWN CAMPAIGNS.

I DON'T WANT PEOPLE WHO ARE WEALTHIER TO HAVE AN OUTSIZED ADVANTAGE BECAUSE THEY CAN WRITE THEMSELVES A BIGGER CHECK AND GIVE THEMSELF MORE ADVANTAGE AND RUNNING AND WINNING A CAMPAIGN.

THIS, FOR ME, IS ALL ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERY DAY REGULAR WORKING FOLKS JUST LIKE ME, CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO RUN AND WIN ELECTIONS IN THE CITY. AND I ASKED MY COLLEAGUES FOR SUPPORT IN THIS MOVING FORWARD, MOVING FORWARD TO A WORK SESSION FOR THIS. WHEN I RESPECT I RESPECT STAFF UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND THAT ITEM J TONIGHT HAS NOT BEEN VOTED ON AND IT IS NOT THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL HAS GONE IN. IF IT IS PASSED TONIGHT, IT WILL BE. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PITCH IS COMING NOW. SO WE'LL DISCUSS TONIGHT. TONIGHT. SO I ASK THAT YOU ALL GIVE DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD TO A WORK SESSION SO WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT.

ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE? REPRESENTATIVE. YEAH, YEAH, I'M GLAD COUNCILMEMBER MCGINNIS TEED THIS UP. I DEFINITELY SUPPORTIVE OF BY WHATEVER PATH GETTING TO A WORK SESSION, SO THAT WE CAN HASH OUT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE. I THINK IT WOULD BE BAD FAITH TO SAY, EVEN THOUGH I WASN'T A SUPPORTER, YOU KNOW, AN ADVOCATE FOR THE NEW PROCESS, I DO ACCEPT THAT IT WAS CONSENSUS AND I AND I ACCEPTED THAT WE WOULD START MOVING UNDER THAT, EVEN THOUGH I HADN'T VOTED ON IT YET. SO, I'M I'M FINE WITH SEEING HOW THE NEW PROCESS WORKS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT MEANS ENDING UP AT A WORK SESSION, BUT A VERY IMPORTANT STEP AND VERY GOOD CONVERSATION FOR US TO HAVE. OKAY, ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO.

YEAH. I'M ALSO GLAD THAT WE'RE SEEING THIS UP. I DON'T KNOW, I LOOK FORWARD TO A ROBUST DISCUSSION AMONGST COUNCIL, WHETHER THE PROPOSED HYPOTHETICAL LIMITS ARE, ARE THE RIGHT ONES. AND I THINK I WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE ON HOW THAT IMPACTS, I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS BEING A WORK SESSION FOR US. SO WHETHER WE'RE FOLLOWING THE OLD PROCESS OR THE NEW PROCESS, I'M INTERESTED IN A WORK SESSION, I WILL LEND MY SUPPORT TO FOLLOWING THE OLD PROCESS ONE MORE TIME, BUT REGARDLESS, I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO A WORKSTATION REGARDLESS. SO HOWEVER WE GET THERE. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX AND THEN ONE. OKAY SO INITIALLY LOOKING AT THIS HERE ARE MY CONCERNS. FIRST THAT IT ACTUALLY DECREASES TRANSPARENCY BECAUSE IT PUSHES MONEY TO PACS. WHAT I'M FEARFUL IS THEN WE WILL NOT KNOW WHO IS GIVING WHAT MONEY, BECAUSE IT'S ALL GOING TO PACS AND THAT MONEY IS HIDDEN AND IT ALSO CAN BE GIVEN FROM ONE DONOR TO ANOTHER DONOR TO ANOTHER DONOR. AND I'M REALLY UNSURE OF HOW THIS WOULD BE ENFORCED. SECONDLY, I FEAR THAT IT WOULD DECREASE INDEPENDENT RUNS. SOMEONE LIKE ME THAT DID NOT RUN ON A SLATE, THAT DID NOT RUN WITH A PARTY OR NATIONAL PARTY, THAT IT WOULD DECREASE THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO POOL THEIR RESOURCES BY LIMITING HOW MUCH EACH PERSON CAN USE. LASTLY, I WOULD SAY THE SELF-FUNDING FROM WHAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM OUR ATTORNEY, OUR CITY ATTORNEY, IT COULD BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. IT LOOKS LIKE ACTUALLY IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE THERE'S NO UNDUE INFLUENCE THERE. THERE'S NO INFLUENCE AS FAR AS WHAT KIND OF, POSITION OR VOTE YOU MIGHT HAVE. AND DONATIONS ARE A FORM OF FREE SPEECH. AS THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT HAS DETERMINED. SO I GUESS THOSE ARE SOME OF MY CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS YOUR TIME, THEN I REST REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER, DISTRICT SIX, FOR THE WORK SESSION, INFORMATION, YEAH, I THINK THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE JUST NEED TO PUT OUT HERE AND HAVE THE WORK SESSION ON AND HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.

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I'M. I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. IS THE IS THE QUESTION HIGH MEDIUM OR LOW? THAT'S PART OF IT. BUT GO AHEAD, I SUPPORT THE WORK SESSION WITH A LOW WITH LOW. OKAY. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. YOU HAVE DIRECTION. YES THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU, SO THAT THEY'LL THAT'LL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT CONCLUDES OUR

[1. Closed Meeting:]

WORK SESSION IN THE PUBLIC. THAT TAKES US TO OUR CLOSED MEETING. WE ONLY HAVE THE ONE I WE RESOLVED ITEM B IN OUR IN THE WORK SESSION. SO NO NEED TO TAKE THAT UP. WE HAVE ONE. AND SO LET ME GET TO MY CHEAT SHEET. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW AT 4:49 P.M, CONVENE IN CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE THE CLOSED MEETING ITEMS SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING ITEM A ID 241753. CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071. AND WE'LL TAKE A RECESS TO GRAB FOOD AND COME BACK AT 5:05 A.M. FOR DI

[AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED:]

GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. TODAY IS TUESDAY, THE SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2024 AT 6:31 P.M. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA. PLEDGES TO THE UNITED STATES AND TEXAS FLAG. PLEASE STAND WITH ME IF YOU'RE ABLE. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD. ONE AND

[A. Proclamation: September 2024, Live United Month]

INDIVISIBLE. GREAT OKAY. WE HAVE FOUR PROCLAMATIONS. FIRST OF WHICH IS THE 2024 LIVE UNITED MONTH. IF YOU CAN MEET ME AT THE PODIUM AND ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. YOU GOT T. COME CLOSER. SAID THE SPIDER SAID TO THE FLY. OKAY SO. HEY, GARY, TELL US. TELL US YOUR NAME, GARY. AND THEN TELL US WHAT YOU REPRESENT. WHAT YOU.

WELL, THANKS FOR GIVING ME THE FIRST PART, MAYOR. THAT HELPS. I'M GARY HENDERSON, CEO, UNITED WAY OF DENTON COUNTY. CAROLYN SIMMONS, BOARD MEMBER. FRANK DIXON, BOARD MEMBER MARY CURTIS, BOARD TREASURER. AND TEDDY AN ON STAFF. ALL RIGHT. AND SO. BUT WHAT ARE WE WHAT DO WE RECOGNIZE AND WHERE DO PEOPLE GO FIRST TO HELP DONATE ALL THOSE? YEAH. WHAT DO WE RECOGNIZE. SO WE'RE RECOGNIZING GIVE UNITED LIVE UNITED MONTH FOR SEPTEMBER 2024. AND IT'S JUST OUR OUR WAY OF REMINDING THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE KICKING OFF OUR UNITED WAY CAMPAIGN, HAVE BEEN RUNNING CAMPAIGNS ALL SUMMER. WE HAVE SOME BIG ONES KICKING OFF THIS FALL, DENTON ISD LAUNCH THIS WEEK. PETERBILT LAUNCHES IN A FEW WEEKS. YOU CAN GO TO UNITED WAY DENTON.ORG AND GIVE. BUT THIS WEEK IS NORTH TEXAS GIVING DAY. SO WE'RE ENCOURAGING ALL RESIDENTS TO GO OUT AND SUPPORT THE NONPROFIT OF THEIR CHOICE SO WE CAN ALL LIVE UNITED. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WHAT A GREAT I SAID THIS AT THE BREAKFAST, BUT A GREAT, SINGLE SOURCE TO. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A BIT. BUT A SINGLE WAY TO HELP A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS IN THE COMMUNITY. SO AND IN THE COUNTY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THIS IS A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME. GREETINGS. WHEREAS UNITED WAY, DENTON COUNTY MOBILIZES COMMUNITIES LIKE DENTON TO ACTION SO ALL CAN LIVE AND THRIVE. AND WHEREAS BY WORKING TOGETHER WITH DONORS, SUPPORTERS AND COLLABORATORS ACROSS DENTON COUNTY, UNITED WAY OF DENTON COUNTY CREATES OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND EDUCATION, PROMOTE ECONOMIC MOBILITY, IMPROVE HEALTH AND MENTAL HEALTH, AND PROVIDE BASIC NEEDS FOR OVER 53,000 COUNTY RESIDENTS ANNUALL. AND WHEREAS, UNITED WAY OF DENTON COUNTY LEADS THE EFFORT

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WITH A NETWORK OF NONPROFITS, GOVERNMENT, BUSINESSES, GOVERNMENT, BUSINESSES AND DONORS TO RESPOND TO OUR NEIGHBORS IMMEDIATE NEEDS AND SEEK OUT BETTER SOLUTIONS FOR OUR LARGE COMMUNITY. FOR LARGER COMMUNITY WIDE ISSUES. AND WHERE NOW, THEREFORE, I, GERARD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM. SEPTEMBER 2024 IS LIVE UNITED MONTH IN THE CITY OF DENTON AND PROUDLY JOIN UNITED WAY OF DENTON COUNTY IN CALLING ON ALL RESIDENTS OF DENTON TO GIVE TO ONE, TO IMPACT MANY, AND TO MAKE AND TO TAKE ACTION AND LIVE UNITED FOR A BETTER DENTON COUNTY FOR ALL OF US. IF WE GIVE THEM A HAND. THAT'S RIGHT. IN HOUSTON. YOU KNOW, I USED TO NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND SLOT IN. THE ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

YEAH. THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU. GREAT TO SEE YOU. OH THANK YOU I APPRECIATE YOU. HEY. HOW ARE YOU? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. NEXT WE WILL RECOGNIZE IF YOU'RE HERE FOR

[B. Proclamation: City of Denton 31 Days of Halloween]

HALLOWEEN. 31 DAYS OF HALLOWEEN FROM THE CITY. THERE HE IS. SURE. YEAH THANK YOU. PARDON ME.

OH, LOOK AT THAT. GOT THE SWAG. OKAY, TELL US WHAT WE'RE RECOGNIZING. WHAT ARE WE IN FOR NEXT MONTH? ALL RIGHT. GARY PACK AND DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. OUR MISSION IS TO UNITE, GROW AND PLAY. AND WE'RE HERE TO CELEBRATE A NEW INITIATIVE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, A SPECIAL EVENT OF HALLOWEEN FOR THE ENTIRE MONTH OF OCTOBER. AND WE'RE REALLY SEEING A WAY THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO UNITE OUR VOLUNTEERS, OUR COMMUNITY, OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY TOGETHER TO REALLY CELEBRATE WHAT WE'VE REALLY GOOD AT. AND THAT'S SPECIAL EVENTS. AND THEN EVEN THE HALLOWEEN KIND OF TWIST GROW AS PART OF OUR MISSION. WE'RE ALSO HELPING GROW THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN THAT ENGAGEMENT WITH OUR RESIDENTS. SO THAT'S BEEN SUPER POSITIVE. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY PLAY. THAT'S THE BUSINESS WE'RE IN TO GET PEOPLE OUTDOORS AND ENJOY OUR PARKS, ENJOY OUR PUBLIC AREAS, OUR DOWNTOWN. SO THAT'S REALLY A SUMMARY OF UNITE, GROW AND PLAY, WHICH IS OUR MISSION. AND THAT'S HOW HALLOWEEN FITS INTO THAT. SO HALLOWEEN IS 31 DAYS OF ACTIVITY. WE HAVE 120 PLUS EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SCHEDULED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE MONTH. A LOT OF THOSE EVENTS ARE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY PUTTING ON ACTIVITIES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 13 TO 15 DIFFERENT SELFIE STATIONS, PLACE MAKING OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO EXPLORE THE DOWNTOWN AND TAKE PICTURES AND JUST ENJOY HALLOWEEN. AND THEN WE'RE PROMOTING IT ALL THE EVENTS AS A GROUP, KIND OF LIFTING EVERYBODY UP TO REALLY MAKE DENTON THE DESTINATION FOR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER. EXCELLENT. AND THEN WE CAN HAVE EVERYBODY INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. HI, I'M AUTUMN NATALIA PROGRAM AND EVENTS MANAGER FOR THE CITY ARIANA, SUCH SPECIAL EVENTS SUPERVISOR TORY HILL, SPECIAL EVENT COORDINATOR ZIAD KHAIRAT, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR MONICA MARTIN. PROGRAM MANAGER AND RAMIR MARTIN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.

ALL RIGHT, OKAY. AND THE WEBSITE REMIND ME WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO VISIT THE WEBSITES. DENTON HALLOWEEN.COM. PRETTY EASY. HASHTAG DENTON HALLOWEEN. AND WE REALLY USE INSPIRATION FROM A LOCAL COMMUNITY IN SOUTH CAROLINA THAT DID THE SAME THING. AND THEY'VE BEEN KIND OF OUR BIG BROTHER. MAYBE DURING THE PROCESS AND BOUNCING IDEAS AND REALLY WORKING TOGETHER TO IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITY. YEAH. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THIS IS A MAYORAL PROCLAMATION READS WHEREAS THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, IS COMMITTED TO BECOMING THE PREMIER REGIONAL, STATE AND NATIONAL DESTINATION FOR HALLOWEEN EVENTS AND ENTERTAINMENT. AND WHEREAS STAFF HAS DRAWN INSPIRATION FROM SUCCESSFUL HALLOWEEN EVENTS AND PLACEMAKING IN CONWAY, SOUTH CAROLINA, WHERE CITYWIDE PROGRAMING HAS SPECIFICALLY BOOSTED TOURISM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND COMMUNITY SPIRIT, NO PUN INTENDED AND WHEREAS THE CREATIVITY OF DENTON HAS BEEN HARASSED, HARNESSED PARDON ME TO. THAT'S A GOOD ONE, MAN. I'M ON FIRE. STAFF. STAFF HAS BEEN DRAWING INSPIRATION FROM SUCCESSFUL HALLOWEEN EVENTS AND PLACEMAKING IN CONWAY, SOUTH CAROLINA, WHERE CITYWIDE PROGRAMING HAS SPECIFICALLY BOOSTED TOURISM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND COMMUNITY SPIRIT. AND WHEREAS THE

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CREATIVITY OF DENTON HAS HARNESSED THE WHAT IS THAT HARNESSED TO CURATE AN EXCITING CALENDAR OF HALLOWEEN EVENTS FOR OCTOBER, WITH THEMED PUBLIC SPACES DESIGNED TO BUILD ON DENTON'S UNIQUE CHARACTER AND ENCOURAGE FESTIVE SPIRITS AND WHEREAS THE PROMOTION OF THE 31 DAYS OF HALLOWEEN WILL ATTRACT RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO DENTON WHERE THEY CAN EXPERIENCE VIBRANT HALLOWEEN DECORATIONS AND ENGAGE IN EVENTS, THEREBY BOOSTING LOCAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ENHANCING TAX REVENUES FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL DENTON RESIDENTS. AND WHEREAS THIS CEREMONIAL ACT REPRESENTS OUR COLLECTIVE DEDICATION TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE AND VIBRANT HALLOWEEN PROGRAM FOR 2024, NOW, THEREFORE, I, JERROD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY RESOLVE AND CEREMONIALLY CHANGE THE NAME OF DENTON, TEXAS TO HALLOWEEN, TEXAS, TEMPORARILY FOR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER IN 2024. WE GIVE THEM A HAND. OKAY MAYBE ON THIS SIDE.

THERE WE GO. AWESOME. EXCELLENT PERFECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. YES. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. AND I HAVE THIS ONE FOR YOU AS WELL.

THANK YOU. TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. YEAH. THANK SO. PERFECT. THANK YOU. YEAH I DON'T KNOW. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WERE HERE FOR FIRE FIRE PROTECTION WEEK I'M SORRY. PREVENTION GOODNESS. YES ALL

[C. Proclamation: Fire Prevention Week]

RIGHT. MAN, I WAS I WAS EXPECTING, THE INCREDIBLES. SO THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S GREAT.

PLEASANT SURPRISE. YEAH. HERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT, TELL US WHAT WE'RE RECOGNIZING, WE'RE RECOGNIZING FIRE PREVENTION WEEK, AND WE JUST WANT TO REMIND ALL RESIDENTS TO TEST YOUR SMOKE DETECTOR ONCE A MONTH. IF YOU NEED A SMOKE DETECTOR, YOU CAN GET A FREE ONE FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. GO TO OUR WEBSITE AT DENTON FIRE.COM. AND FILL OUT THE PUBLIC EVENT REQUEST FORM FOR ONE AND HAVE SPECIAL GUESTS WITH ME. BY ALL MEANS. MY NAME IS STEPHANIE PREBLE. I'M A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC WITH THE CITY OF DENTON. I REPRESENT DENTON CLOUDS ON FIRE. WE ARE AN ORGANIZATION AND A PROGRAM CONSISTING OF SIX FIREFIGHTERS, AND WE VISIT ALL THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN DENTON ISD IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 29 SHOWS SCHEDULED. WE PRESENT LIFE AND FIRE SAFETY MESSAGES TO ELEMENTARY AGED KIDS TO TEACH THEM HOW TO BE SAFE. WE DON'T LIKE RUNNING ON THE KIDDOS. DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING TO TAMATOA? OKAY THAT IS AWESOME. WELL, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. AND I APPRECIATE ALL Y'ALL DO, ESPECIALLY GOING TO THE SCHOOLS THAT THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. MY SEVEN YEAR OLD REGULARLY TELLS ME THAT WE NEED MORE FIRE EXTINGUISHERS. SO WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING, IT'S WORKING BECAUSE IT GETS HOME, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THAT'S IMPORTANT. SO THANK YOU, IT'S A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME. GREETINGS. WHEREAS FIRE IS A SERIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN BOTH LOCALLY AND NATIONALLY, AND HOME FIRES KILLED MORE THAN 2700 PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES IN 2022, ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION.

WHEREAS ROUGHLY THREE OUT OF FIVE FIRE DEATHS HAPPEN IN HOMES WITH EITHER NO SMOKE ALARMS OR WITH NO WORKING SMOKE ALARMS AND WORKING SMOKE ALARMS CUT THE RISK OF DYING IN REPORTED HOME FIRES ALMOST IN HALF. AND WHEREAS SMOKE ALARMS ALERT YOU TO THE DANGER IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE IN WHICH YOU MAY HAVE AS LITTLE AS TWO MINUTES TO ESCAPE SAFELY, AND RESIDENTS SHOULD INSTALL SMOKE ALARMS IN EVERY SLEEPING ROOM OUTSIDE EACH SEPARATE SLEEPING AREA AND ON EVERY LEVEL OF THE HOME, AND MAKE SURE THEIR SMOKE ALARMS MEET THE NEEDS OF ALL THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS, INCLUDING THOSE WITH SENSORY OR PHYSICAL DISABILITIES. AND WHEREAS RESIDENTS SHOULD TEST SMOKE ALARMS AT LEAST ONCE, A MONTH, AND RESIDENTS WHO HAVE PLANNED AND PRACTICED A HOME FIRE ESCAPE PLAN ARE MORE PREPARED AND WILL MORE LIKELY ARE MORE LIKELY TO SURVIVE A FIRE. AND WHEREAS THE DENTON FIRE DEPARTMENT IS DEDICATED TO REDUCING THE OCCURRENCE, OCCURRENCE OF HOME FIRES AND HOME INJURIES THROUGH PREVENTION AND PROTECTION EDUCATION, AS THE 2020 FOR FIRE PREVENTION WEEK THEME, SMOKE ALARMS MAKE THEM WORK FOR YOU

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SERVES TO REMIND US OF THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING WORKING SMOKE ALARMS IN YOUR HOME. NOW.

THEREFORE, I, GERALD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THIS WEEK OF OCTOBER 6TH THROUGH THE 12TH, 2024 AS FIRE PREVENTION WEEK IN THE CITY OF DENTON, AND URGE ALL CITIZENS TO MAKE SURE THEIR HOMES HAVE WORKING SMOKE, SMOKE, ALARMS. SUBJECT SUPPORT MANY PUBLIC SAFETY INITIATIVES, ACTIVITIES AND EFFORTS OF THE DENTON FIRE DEPARTMENT. IF WE GIVE THEM A HAND. THEY STARTED FIGHTING WITH THEIR KITCHEN. YEAH, HERE WE GO.

YEAH. AWESOME. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. PEACH AND THE MARIO BROTHERS LAST YEAR. YES. THERE YOU GO. YES. THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. GREAT TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. YES, SIR. OH AND THIS ONE'S YOURS I THINK I HAVE SOME EXTRA FOR YOU HERE AS WELL. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE ONE MORE. AND THIS ONE'S PRETTY SPECIAL.

[D. Proclamation: Lee Philip Smith Bravery and Strength Honor]

WE HAVE LEE PHILLIP SMITH DAY, IF YOU CAN, IF YOU COME DOWN, IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE WITH LEE PHILLIP. ALL RIGHT. THERE YOU GO. IT'S JUST YOU? I UNDERSTAND, I'VE BEEN THERE. THERE WE GO.

AWESOME. SO INTRODUCE YOURSELF, AND THEN WHO DO YOU HAVE WITH YOU HERE? THERE YOU GO, I'M LEE, ALL RIGHT. WE'LL FIND OUT ABOUT HIM IN A LITTLE BIT. I'M JERRY, I'M HIS DAD. HI, I'M SONIA, I'M HIS MOTHER, AND WE HAVE A BUNCH OF FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS WELL TOGETHER HERE, BUT DEFINITELY WANT TO INTRODUCE MY FATHER. YES. I'M RICK, HIS GRANDDAD. SO WE WERE ALL FOR AND INVOLVED IN THIS, SO. OKAY ANYTHING YOU WANT TO I'M GOING TO I'LL TELL THE STORY. BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD OR SAY, OBVIOUSLY IT WAS A DRINKING AND IT WAS A CRASH. YOU KNOW, THE GUY HIT US DRINKING, BUT STILL, PRAYERS GO OUT TO THE FAMILY OF THE GUY WHO HIT US. IT WAS A HORRIBLE ACCIDENT ALL AROUND, JUST FEEL BAD ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW? DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE.

JUST DON'T DO IT. YES, YES. WELL SAID. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THIS IS JUST A REALLY NEAT THING THAT THAT THEY REACHED OUT AND I HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY. I'M GRATEFUL FOR IT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SHARING AND LETTING US KNOW AND LETTING US WORK ON THIS AND, AND RECOGNIZE HIM FOR IT. SO THANK YOU. AVAILABLE TO DO THAT. YES. MY PLEASURE IS MINE. OKAY. IT'S A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME. GREETINGS. WHEREAS LEE PHILLIP SMITH WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE AID FOR HIS FATHER, JERRY LEE SMITH, AND GRANDFATHER RICKY LEE BEAUCHAMP. BEAUCHAMP. IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY I WAS PRACTICING, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE. I DIDN'T HAVE YOU WITH ME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND KEPT THEM COMFORTABLE AND SAFE. AFTER A ROLLOVER CAR ACCIDENT, WHICH HE WAS A PASSENGER. AND WHEREAS LEE PHILLIP SMITH WAS ABLE TO KEEP CALM AND LISTEN TO THE INSTRUCTIONS ON ON SCENE PROVIDED BY FIRST RESPONDERS. AND WHEREAS LEE PHILLIP SMITH STAYED BRAVE AFTER HIS FATHER AND GRANDFATHER WERE TRANSPORTED BY AMBULANCE TO THE HOSPITAL AND WHEREAS BRAVERY IS SUCH A COMPLEX TRAIT AS ONE NEVER KNOWS AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT WHEN AN URGENT SITUATION CAN OCCUR, AND LEE PHILLIP SMITH SHOWED GREAT COURAGE THAT DAY AND SHOWED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF BRAVERY AND HEROISM. NOW, THEREFORE, I, GERALD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THE 17TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER 2024 AS LEE PHILLIP SMITH DAY IN THE CITY OF DENTON, AND URGE ALL CITIZENS TO CONGRATULATE LEE FOR THE HONOR. HE IS RECEIVING TODAY, AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO TAKE CPR AND FIRST AID CLASSES AVAILABLE TO SAVE LIVES. IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A HAND. YES. YES. CAN I CAN I CAN YOU JOIN US IN THE PICTURE? IS THAT ALL RIGHT? TAKE YOUR TIME. AWESOME THANK YOU FOR THAT. EXCELLENT. ALL RIGHT, SLIDE IN HERE. YOU GRAB THAT IN THERE. HERE WE GO. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I HAVE AN EXTRA ONE BEHIND YOU

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HERE. YES YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OH, THIS IS. OH WELL THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. YES. YEAH. GLAD EVERYONE'S OKAY. YEAH YEAH, YEAH. HE'S IN A WHEELCHAIR BECAUSE OF IT. WOW. YEAH MAN. THANK YOU. PLEASURE TO MEET YOU. ALL RIGHT. DON'T WORRY.

YEAH THANK GOD. FOR SOMETHING POSITIVE, I HOPE NOT. I DON'T HAVE TO GO TO HELL. NO, THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN FACTS. WE'RE ALL GOOD. THANK YOU. MAN OKAY, THOSE

[3. PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC]

ARE DONE. OKAY. IF WE COULD PLAY THE VIDEO ON ADDRESSING COUNCIL, PLEASE. AND THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, INCLUDING A CODE OF CONDUCT THAT APPLIES TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBERS. THESE RULES WERE ENACTED TO PROMOTE AN ORDERLY PROCESS AND TO PRESERVE DECORUM. SPEAKERS WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE A SCHEDULED REPORT AND FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE AN OPEN MIC REPORT. A BELL WILL RING WHEN TIME HAS EXPIRED. IF THE REMARKS ARE NOT CONCLUDED BY THAT TIME, THE SPEAKER WILL BE ASKED TO STOP SPEAKING. IF THE SPEAKER DOES NOT CEASE AND A SECOND REQUEST IS MADE, THE MAYOR MAY REQUEST TO HAVE THE SPEAKER REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER. SPEAKERS SHOULD NOT APPROACH THE DAIS. IF A SPEAKER HAS MATERIALS FOR THE COUNCIL, PLEASE NOTIFY THE CITY SECRETARY IN ADVANCE FOR SCHEDULED REPORTS. THE COUNCIL MAY INITIATE DISCUSSION OR ASK QUESTIONS FOR NONSCHEDULED OPEN MIC REPORTS.

THE COUNCIL MAY LISTEN, HOWEVER, BECAUSE NO NOTICE OF THE SUBJECT OF THE OPEN MIC REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC IN ADVANCE. THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR DECISION BY THE COUNCIL ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS. AS A RESULT, THE COUNCIL MAY ONLY PROCEED AS FOLLOWS. ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS PROPOSED TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. MAKE A STATEMENT OF FACTUAL POLICY OR A RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY. SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO DIRECT ALL REMARKS AND QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE, AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MAKING ABUSIVE, PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS. ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE MAY BE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE. COPIES OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY SECRETARY. OKAY.

FIRST SPEAKER IS CHARLES LEE. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHARLES LEE. AND, THIS IS IN, SPIRIT OF, BIPARTISANSHIP OR THE LACK OF BIPARTISANSHIP BECAUSE THIS IS A BIPARTISAN PROBLEM THAT NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

BEFORE I CAME IN HERE, THE NATIONAL DEBT IS $35.382 TRILLION AND RISING. AND WE'RE ALL CULPABLE FOR IT. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, LIKE I LOOKED AT THIS CURRENT AGENDA, ESPECIALLY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, THAT'S WHEN THERE'S NO OPPOSITION. THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE 88 ITEMS, 90 ITEMS, SOMETHING ROUGHLY ABOUT ROUGH NUMBERS. BUT NO, NO DEBATE, NO PUBLIC ANYTHING. AND THE TOTAL TAB THAT I ADDED UP IS $35,186,314.36. THAT'S GOING TO BE PASSED ON UNANIMOUS CONSENT. AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS BECAUSE IT'S TRUE THAT THE STATE OF TEXAS DOES HAVE SOME OF THE STRONGEST PROPERTY RIGHTS IN THE COUNTRY. IT DOES, BUT THAT'S JUST ON PAPER. AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS VERY STRONG IN TEXAS. BUT THAT'S JUST ON PAPER BECAUSE EVERYTHING ALL THE SPENDING YOU GUYS ARE DOING IS UNDERRATED BY PROPERTY. AND IF YOU GUYS JUST KEEP SPENDING THE WAY YOU'RE DOING, PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO HAVE ANY PROPERTY

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BECAUSE 35 MILLION, THE AVERAGE HOUSE IN DENTON ABOUT LIKE I WOULD SAY ABOUT 35,000 $350,000, THAT'S 100 HOUSES. YOU'RE JUST GOING TO PASS UNANIMOUSLY AND TAKE OUT OF THE ECONOMY OF DENTON, 100 HOUSES. AND YOU'RE GOING TO PUSH A LOT OF WORKING CLASS FAMILIES JUST RIGHT ON THE STREETS. AND ONE OF THESE ITEMS IS ABOUT IT WAS ABOUT A MOVIE. I DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME LEFT ABOUT A MOVIE. AND YOU PAID SOMETHING ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE $200,000 FOR A MOVIE ABOUT QUAKER TOWN, WHICH I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO. DON'T SAY I'M NOT BEING SYMPATHETIC, BUT WHEN I CAME IN HERE, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO LIKE A SPENDING PROJECT FOR THE SOUTHEAST, DENTON FOR QUAKER TOWN, ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF. THE PEOPLE THAT CAME IN HERE THAT LIVED THERE, THEY WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE. THEY CAN'T AFFORD THEIR PROPERTY TAXES. THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE PROPERTY TAXES. SO I DON'T THINK THEY WERE. I MEAN, I LIKE I'M PRETTY SURE I'D LIKE TO SEE THE MOVIE, AND THE MOVIE HASN'T EVEN BEEN PRODUCED YET. THEY STILL NEED $16,000 FOR THE MOVIE. YOU'RE ABOUT TO APPROVE AN EXTENSION. I DON'T KNOW HOW IN THE WORLD I COME FROM IF YOU DON'T ABIDE TO A CONTRACT THAT NO, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH FIRED. AND WE WANT OUR MONEY BACK TYPE THINGS, AND YOU'RE JUST GIVING THEM EXTENSION, YOU'RE GOING TO STILL PAY THEM THE REST OF THE $16,000. AND THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE WASTEFUL SPENDING THAT'S GOING ON HERE, BECAUSE PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE AND KEEP THEIR HOMES, BECAUSE YOU KEEP SPENDING MONEY AND YOU KEEP SPENDING MONEY, AND YOU KEEP SPENDING MONEY AND IT'S JUST NOT LIKE HERE. IT'S ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. AND WHEN YOU DO THIS, EVENTUALLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY RIGHTS LEFT BECAUSE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT ALL THE RIGHTS WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY. I SAY, GO TO THAT COURT AND NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD AN ATTORNEY AND SEE HOW MANY RIGHTS YOU HAVE. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHTS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD AN ATTORNEY, SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHTS. AND UNLESS PEOPLE START WAKING UP AND START GETTING OUR FINANCIAL HOUSE IN ORDER IN THIS COUNTRY, AND THIS IS BIPARTISAN, IT'S NOT. NO, I'M NOT. AND IT'S ONLY LIKE 27 SECONDS LEFT. SO I'M GOING TO SAY ON THIS, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THIS BUDGET YOU'RE ABOUT TO PASS AND THE TAX INCREASES, I BELIEVE THAT REALLY YOU'RE ALL CULPABLE. AND ALL SEVEN OF YOU NEED TO REALLY BE FIRED. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE AND HAVE A NICE NIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS DONNA SMITH. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. I'M DONNA SMITH. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOU A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, THERE WAS A BROTHER AND A SISTER THAT APPEARED HERE BEFORE THE COUNCIL, AND THEY OWN A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES.

THE GUIDELINES SET UP BY THIS COUNCIL. IT APPEARS THAT THEIR DREAM OF BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOODS WITH SPACIOUS LOTS IS NOT HIGHLY THOUGHT OF BY SOME. IN FACT, ONE PERSON SPOKE UP AGAINST A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD HAVE LARGE LOTS AND WAS IN FAVOR OF ANOTHER PACK. AS MANY PEOPLE IN A SMALL SPACE AS POSSIBLE. IDEA I REALIZE THE CITY HAS ADOPTED THE 2020 GOALS. THAT IS NOW THE 2030 AND THE 2040 GOALS SPONSORED BY THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM. THE 15 MINUTE CITY WHERE WE LIVE. WE WORK, WE EAT, AND WE PLAY IT ONLY WORKS IN TEXAS IF YOU DON'T HAVE CHOICES. I'VE SEEN THESE LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND THESE LARGE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH SMALL HOUSES, SMALL HOMES AND NO YARD. DENTON IS FOLLOWING THE 2040 PLAN. HERE'S THE PROBLEM. IF YOU WANT ME TO EAT AND PLAY AND STAY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THE COUNCIL CAN'T FORCE AN ENTREPRENEUR TO OPEN A BUSINESS IF IT'S NOT ECONOMICALLY PROFITABLE. PEOPLE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED TO DREAM TO WORK HARD AND BENEFIT FROM THEIR LABORS. I UNDERSTAND THIS COUNCIL IS FOLLOWING THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM IDEALS. KLAUS SCHWAB, THE FOUNDER OF THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM, SAID YOU WILL OWN NOTHING AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY. MR. SCHWAB IS ONE OF THE 200 RICHEST PERSONS IN THE WORLD AND HAS AMASSED A FORTUNE OF AT LEAST $10.6 BILLION. HE'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GO WITHOUT, BUT WE MAY. SO LET'S BE TEXAS AND LET'S BE DENTON, TEXAS, AND RETHINK SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE AGREED TO. AND TODAY IS CONSTITUTION DAY. AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO TAKE SOME TIME AND READ THE CONSTITUTION. I'M GRATEFUL FOR IT. THANKS SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

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NEXT SPEAKER IS DEBBIE SKAGGS. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

OKAY. HI, I'M DEBBIE SKAGGS. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THI. TIME TO SPEAK. AND THANK YOU FOR SERVING OUR CITY. I WANT TO FOLLOW UP AFTER SPEAKING TO YOU IN JULY ABOUT THIS BOOK. LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. AND ALSO AFTER THE EMAIL I SENT TO EACH OF YOU, I DID RECEIVE A COUPLE OF RESPONSES, ONE OF WHICH I FOUND CONCERNING. ONE COUNCILMAN EXCORIATED ME, SAYING HE WOULD NEVER ALIGN HIMSELF WITH MY REQUEST AS HE FINDS THEM TO BE A NARROW, DIVISIVE, BACKWARDS AND DEED AND INDEED HARMFUL PERSPECTIVE. HE SEES MY REQUEST AS WANTING TO ALTER NORMATIVE VALUES AWAY FROM CURRENT CULTURAL CONSENSUS. HAVING SOMEONE IN LEADERSHIP THAT FEELS DISTRICT THAT FEELS DISTRICT, DISTRIBUTING SEXUALLY EXPLICIT MATERIALS TO MINORS IS THE CURRENT CULTURAL CONSENSUS IS ALARMING. I THINK IT'S EVIDENT THAT OUR CURRENT CULTURE CONSENSUS ASCRIBES TO THE MOTTO, IT TAKES A VILLAGE IN THAT WE HAVE LAWS THAT LIMIT WHAT MINORS ARE EXPOSED TO. WE HAVE RATINGS ON MOVIES, LIMITS ON WHAT'S ALLOWED ON TELEVISION AND IN ON THE IN THE NEWSPAPER AND ON RADIO, AS WELL AS WARNING LABELS ON MUSIC, VIDEO GAMES AND PODCASTS OF COURSE, EVERY PARENT DECIDES WHAT IS BEST FOR THEIR FAMILY, BUT AS A WHOLE IN SOCIETY, WE DO PUT THESE LIMITS ON OUR MEDIA TO PROTECT CHILDREN AND ASSIST PARENTS IN MAKING DECISIONS FOR THEIR FAMILY. I KNOW I DON'T WANT MY GRANDCHILDREN TO HAPPEN UPON THIS BOOK OR ANY BOOKS LIKE IT IN OUR PUBLIC LIBRARY, AND HAVE TALKED TO MANY BENTONITES THAT FEEL THE SAME WAY. I SAT DOWN WITH MISS BECKER, THE MAIN LIBRARIAN, AND TALKED ABOUT THE LIBRARY'S POLICY AND THE POSSIBILITY OF RELOCATING THIS BOOK FROM THE TEEN SECTION TO THE ADULT SECTION. BUT SHE WAS NOT RECEPTIVE TO THE IDEA. THE TEEN SECTION IS CATEGORIZED AS 11 THROUGH 17. HOWEVER EVERYONE, ALL AGES ARE WELCOME TO PERUSE THE BOOKS IN THE TEEN SECTION. I SUGGESTED A POLICY CHANGE TO WHAT I CALL AN OPT IN POLICY, ONE THAT PARENTS CAN DECIDE BEFORE THEIR CHILDREN ARE EXPOSED TO BOOKS LIKE THIS. BY KEEPING SEXUALLY EXPLICIT BOOKS ELSEWHERE OUT OF EASY ACCESS TO KIDS INSTEAD OF WHAT WE PRESENTLY HAVE, WHICH IS MORE OF A OPT OUT POLICY REQUIRING A PARENT TO EITHER TAKE THEIR CHANCES WITH EXPOSING THEIR CHILD TO MATERIAL LIKE THIS WHEN THEY BRING THEM TO THE LIBRARY, OR REVIEWING EVERY BOOK BEFORE THEIR CHILD PHYSICALLY TOUCHES IT. THE LATTER SEEMS UNREASONABLE. I THINK MOST PARENTS ASSUME OUR LIBRARIES ARE REASONABLY SAFE PLACES TO TAKE THEIR CHILDREN, AT LEAST WHILE CHECKING BOOKS OUT OF THE YOUTH SECTIONS. AFTER ALL, IT IS. IT IS A CITY RUN, TAXPAYER FUNDED FACILITY. I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT A SAFE PLACE FOR YOUR CHILDREN, SO BE AWARE IF YOU TAKE YOUR CHILDREN OR YOUR GRANDCHILDREN TO THE LIBRARY. THIS BOOK AND BOOKS LIKE IT ARE ON THE SHELVES, AND SOME IN LEADERSHIP THINK THAT'S OKAY. REQUESTING THAT SEXUALLY EXPLICIT BOOKS NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE YOUTH SECTION. BOOKS THAT ILLUSTRATE MALE AND FEMALE GENITALIA, AND HOW TO PLEASURE ONESELF, PICTURES OF DIFFERENT SEXUAL POSITIONS, AND INTRO TO KINK. KEEP THOSE BOOKS OUT OF IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO CHILDREN, AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ME A NARROW, DIVISIVE, BACKWARDS OR HARMFUL PERSON. IT'S BEING A RESPONSIBLE CITIZEN BY PROTECTING YOUNG MINDS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER. NEXT NEXT SPEAKER IS COLETTE JOHNSON. THANK YOU.

RYAN. IF YOU COULD IF YOU COULD GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. OKAY. I'M COLETTE JOHNSON. EXCUSE MY SUNGLASSES. I'M HAVING SOME TERRIBLE EYE ISSUES, SO I HAVE TO WEAR THEM, BUT I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE CETINA NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP. I AM THE PRESIDENT. I'VE RECEIVED

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SEVERAL CALLS CONCERNING CLARA'S KITCHEN. AND NOT ABOUT CLARA'S KITCHEN SERVING FOOD, BUT THE ACTIVITIES AND THE EVENTS THAT'S GOING ON ON THE WEEKEND THERE. IT'S. IT'S TERRIBLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THESE EVENTS ARE GOING ON, BUT I KNOW 30 DAYS AGO I EXPERIENCED IT FOR MYSELF. SO I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND SAY IT'S JUST OUT OF ORDER. I HAD TURNED, MY NIECE WAS TAKING ME TO MY MOM'S HOUSE ON A SATURDAY NIGHT AT 1230. WE TURNED OFF OF BELL AVENUE ONTO ROBINSON, RIGHT BY THE CHURCH. THERE WERE CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET ALL THE WAY TO MILL STREET. THOSE OF YOU THAT KNOW WHERE ROBINSON IS AND YOU TURN LEFT AND EVERYBODY TAKES THAT SHORTCUT TO GO TO THE MALL OR WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING. THERE WERE CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. IT TOOK US NEARLY 30 MINUTES TO GET DOWN THAT STREET, BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY PEOPLE OUT WALKING. AND I TOLD MY NIECE, DON'T BLOW AT THEM BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS A GUN, BECAUSE EVERYBODY CARRIES A GUN NOW. SO TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE, WE JUST WAITED TILL THEY MOVED OUT OF THE WAY. BUT IF A FIRE TRUCK OR SOMEBODY HAD TO COME THROUGH THERE, THERE'S NO WAY THEY COULD HAVE GOT THROUGH THERE. THERE'S JUST NO WAY WITH CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, AND THERE ARE NON NO PARKING SIGNS TOWARD THE END OF ROBINSON STREET THAT TELLS YOU DON'T PARK IN THIS AREA, BUT THE CARS ARE PARKED THERE ANYWAY. SO BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE CAN'T SLEEP, THE MUSIC IS LOUD AND WITH ALL THE OTHER ACTIVITIES, WE JUST WANT PEACE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE WEEKEND. WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THEM WITH THE RESTAURANT, BUT IT'S THE ACTIVITIES AND THE EVENTS THAT'S GOING ON AFTER HOURS. WE NEED THAT TO STOP. WE JUST NEED THAT TO STOP BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE. AND I DON'T THINK THIS WILL BE GOING ON IN ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THIS ONE. AND IT'S JUST BECOME A NUISANCE. AND WE NEED SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THE NEXT. NEXT SPEAKER IS DIANA HERRERA.

HELLO. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. THANK YOU, MY NAME IS DIANA GUERRA. I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO CLAIRE'S KITCHEN WITH MY HUSBAND, FIVE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER, AND 11 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER. MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE IN CONSTANT FEAR THAT OUR DAUGHTERS ARE GOING TO END UP GETTING HURT OR DIE BECAUSE OF A STRAY BULLET OR A STRAY BULLET RESULTING FROM THE PARTYING AT CLAIRE'S KITCHEN. OUR HOUSE GOT HIT BY TWO BULLETS IN THE OCTOBER SHOOTING OF LAST YEAR THAT RESULTED IN A DEATH. THE ATF, ATF CAME OUT TO OUR HOUSE TO ASSESS THE DAMAGES. LUCKILY, THE TWO BULLETS WENT UP AND NOT INTO OUR HOME, LIKE MY NEIGHBOR MICHAEL SAYS IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE RIGHT PERSON TO GET KILLED FOR THIS TO STOP THE RIGHT PERSON. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, SOMEONE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF HIGH AND DRUNK PEOPLE THAT ATTEND THESE PARTIES. WHEN THEY LEAVE CLAIRE'S BACKYARD, THEY COME INTO MY YARD LEAVING BEER BOTTLES, BROKEN BEER BOTTLES, BEER CANS, CONDOMS, PLASTIC BAGS, FOOD BOXES, ANYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE. THEY WALK BACK TO THEIR CARS IN THIS STATE THAT ARE PARKED FAR AWAY, LIKE YOU HEARD FROM MISS MISS JOHNSON, WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE PEE ON OUR FENCE, THROW UP IN OUR YARD, RUSH TO OUR YARD WHEN FIGHTS BREAK OUT, THERE ARE PARTY PROMOTERS THAT PROMOTE THESE PARTIES, SLIME SYNDICATES BEING ONE OF THEM, HAVING THOUSANDS OF FOLLOWERS, THEIR FOLLOWERS REPOST THE POST. AND THIS IS HOW HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE END UP IN SOUTH LITTLE OLD SOUTHEAST DENTON. ALL THEY COME FROM ALL OVER THE METROPLEX AND END UP PARTYING SOMETIMES UNTIL 4 A.M. AND ON, DURING THESE PARTIES, CARS BURN RUBBER BLAST LOUD MUSIC, REV THEIR ENGINES, DRIVE RECKLESSLY IN FRONT OF US. SOMEONE IS GOING TO END UP HURT

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OR KILLED AGAIN. UNTAMED DJ IS ONE OF THE DJS AT THESE PARTIES. THEY BRING THEIR EQUIPMENT, SPEAKERS, MICROPHONES. THEY DJ. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE QUIET. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY SOFT MUSIC. THEY ARE LOUD, LIKE A DJ SHOULD BE. THIS MEANS THAT WE HEAR THE NEIGHBORS HEAR THIS.

THE LOUD DJ MUSIC, WE HEAR THE BASS AND THE MUSIC ALL NIGHT. ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS DO THE ONES THAT LIVE IN THE FRONT, THE BACK TO THE SIDES. I AM A MAKEUP ARTIST. MY HUSBAND IS A MAINTENANCE MAN. WE WORK WEEKENDS, MY DAUGHTER PLAYS SOCCER ON SATURDAYS. THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN THERE ARE PARTIES THAT START ON THURSDAYS, THURSDAYS, FRIDAYS, SATURDAYS, ON THURSDAYS IT'S THE OLDER CROWD, BUT WE CAN STILL HEAR THE MUSIC. WE STILL HEAR THE BASS, I GO, I GO TO MANY VENUES, THE ONLY VENUE THAT I GO TO THAT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD IS DALLAS COUNTRY CLUB IN HIGHLAND PARK. AND THEIR MUSIC HALL DANCE HALL IS SOUNDPROOF.

ALL OF THE OTHER ONES I GO TO ARE NOT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. CLAIRE'S KITCHEN IS KNOWN TO BE A PLACE TO PARTY. WE HAVE SEEN EVEN WHEN CLAIRE'S IS NOT OPEN, PEOPLE COME AND TRY TO PARTY, PEOPLE THINK THAT THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH NO CONSEQUENCE. WE ARE WHERE WE ARE AT NOW. THIS IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, NO ONE KNEW THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE THE RESULTS. AND THAT'S YOUR TIME OF ALLOWING A BUSINESS TO OPERATE IN THIS RESIDENT, IS THAT IT? YEAH, THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS JANE SCHULTZ. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. THANK YOU, MY NAME IS JANE SCHULTZ. I LIVE AT ROBESON RANCH, AND I'M HERE TO ASK YOU ALL INDIVIDUALLY AND AS A COUNCIL, TO HELP RAISE VOTER AWARENESS IN OUR COUNTY ABOUT THE NEED FOR COUNTYWIDE VOTING ON ELECTION DAY, JUST LIKE WE HAVE DURING EARLY VOTING AND HAVE HAD FOR YEARS. AND I'M HOPING YOU'LL DO WHAT YOU CAN TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. I SERVE AS A VOTER REGISTRAR AND AN ELECTION WORKER, AND I'VE DONE THIS FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED WITH THE SECURITY AND THE EFFICIENCY OF DENTON COUNTY'S VOTING SYSTEM. AND I'VE BECOME CONVINCED THAT THIS ELECTION DAY ASSIGNED PRECINCT VOTING REQUIREMENT TOTALLY UNNECESSARY. UNLESS YOU WANT TO DIMINISH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO VOTE. SO I'VE BEEN TALKING TO VOTERS ABOUT THIS ISSUE SINCE MARCH. I'VE BEEN GOING TO CIVIC AND POLITICAL CLUBS, CHURCH GROUPS, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIO. I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE AT LOCAL FAIRS. SO TODAY I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT I'VE LEARNED IN THAT TIME. AND YOU CAN FIND ALL OF THIS ON THE WEBSITE. VOTING CENTERS NOW.ORG PUBLIC WEBSITE, FIRST OF ALL, I FOUND OUT THAT THIS AFFECTS A LOT OF PEOPLE. NOW, OUR COUNTY DOESN'T COUNT THIS. SO YOU WOULD HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING UNLESS YOU TALK TO PEOPLE. SO I STARTED THIS AFTER WORKING AS A CLERK AT A DEMOCRATIC POLLING PLACE DURING THE MARCH 5TH PRIMARY, WHERE WE TURNED AWAY, AND THE OFFICIAL TERM IS REDIRECTED MORE VOTERS THAN ACTUALLY CAST BALLOTS AT THAT PRECINCT. NOW WE WEREN'T PREPARED TO COUNT THE REDIRECTS, BUT WE COULD TELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT'S HAPPENING. AND OF THE 400 TO 500 VOTERS THAT WE REDIRECTED THE VAST MAJORITY WERE REPUBLICANS. WE KNEW BECAUSE IT WAS A PRIMARY. SO NOW WHEN I START MY TALKS WITH VOTERS, I ASK FOR A SHOW OF HANDS, OF HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE HAVE BEEN TURNED AWAY FROM A POLLING PLACE ON ELECTION DAY BECAUSE THEY WERE IN THE WRONG LOCATION. QUITE A FEW HANDS GO UP. THEN I ASKED FOR THE HANDS OF THOSE WHOSE SPOUSE, GOOD FRIEND RELATIVE EXPERIENCED THIS MANY MORE HANDS GO UP.

SECOND, I'VE LEARNED THAT VOTERS DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE ISSUE AND EVEN THOSE WHO'VE BEEN DIRECTLY AFFECTED DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT HAPPENED TO THEM. THIRD, WHEN I TELL THEM THAT IN 96 OTHER TEXAS COUNTIES, INCLUDING OUR FOUR CLOSEST NEIGHBORS, THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN AND HOW EASY IT WOULD BE FOR OUR COUNTY COMMISSION TO FIX THIS. THEY ARE NOT HAPPY. SOME ARE DOWNRIGHT ANGRY. MANY HAVE CONTACTED THEIR COMMISSIONERS TO ASK. ASK THAT ACTION. BE TAKEN

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AFTER THE MAY 28TH RUNOFF, I LEARNED SOMETHING EVEN MORE INTERESTING IN DEMOCRATIC POLLING LOCATIONS, THE EQUIVALENT OF 7% OF ALL VOTERS ON THAT ELECTION DAY WERE TURNED AWAY FROM THE FIRST POLLING LOCATION THEY VISITED, AND MOST OF THOSE VOTERS, BECAUSE THESE WERE DEMOCRATIC PRECINCTS, WERE REPUBLICANS. NOW IF WE HAD NUMBERS FOR THE REPUBLICAN POLLING PRECINCTS, AS WELL, WE MIGHT FIND OUT THAT AS MANY AS 14 OR 15% OF ALL ELECTION DAY VOTERS COULDN'T VOTE AT THEIR FIRST STOP OR MAYBE DIDN'T VOTE AT ALL. SO THIS IS CLEARLY A PROBLEM THAT AFFECTS A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND COME NOVEMBER 5TH, THAT COULD BE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WANDERING AROUND DENTON COUNTY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE HECK TO VOTE BEFORE 7 P.M. SO I ASK YOU, USE YOUR VOICE, USE YOUR BULLY PULPIT HERE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS PROBLEM, AND URGE OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO USE SOME COMMON SENSE AND JUST DO WHAT IS DONE IN 96 OTHER TEXAS COUNTIES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. NEXT PARDON ME. NEXT SPEAKER IS TAMMY BRADLEY. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

OKAY. HELLO. MY NAME IS TAMMY BRADLEY. I AM OWNER OF CLAIRE'S KITCHEN, FIRST OFF, I WANT TO STATE THAT I'M NOT UP HERE TO GIVE ANY FALSE NARRATIVES, I WANT TO SPEAK THE TRUTH ABOUT CLAIRE'S KITCHEN AND EVERYTHING GOING ON AROUND CLAIRE'S KITCHEN. BUT FIRST, I DO WANT TO STATE TO THE GARNER FAMILY. YOU HAVE TO. I'M SORRY. SORRY. WE GOT TO SPEAK INTO THE MIC BECAUSE WE CAN'T. THEY CAN'T HEAR YOU, AND YOU CAN JUST. DO I NEED TO REPEAT MYSELF OR DID Y'ALL HEAR ME? YEAH, WE HEARD YOU. BUT JUST IN THE MIC, THEY. AND THEN WE'LL CHANGE. I'LL JUST WATCH THE TIME. GO AHEAD. I DO WANT TO STATE TO THE GARNER FAMILY. WE ARE HOPING FOR JUSTICE AS WELL FOR GARNER. LET'S START WITH I WANT TO STATE A FEW THINGS, ESPECIALLY WITH COLETTE. SHE MENTIONED 30 DAYS AGO THAT THEY CAME BY AND SHE COULDN'T GET BY BECAUSE THERE WERE CARS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. THAT'S WHAT YOU HEARD. HER STATE, RIGHT? 30 DAYS AGO.

THE EVENT WAS WHEN THE POLICE HAD THE STREETS BLOCKED. THERE WERE 14 POLICE CARS WITH OVER 20 OFFICERS. THERE SO NO, YOU COULDN'T GET THROUGH THERE. BUT A WHOLE SIDE OF THE STREET WAS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH THERE HAS BEEN VIDEOS. NOW I DO WANT TO ALSO ASK COLETTE BECAUSE ON JUNE 24TH, AS I SAID IN A MEETING, SHE CLEARLY STATED THAT SHE HAD NEVER BEEN TO CLAIRE'S KITCHEN, DIDN'T CARE ABOUT CLAIRE'S KITCHEN, AND HAD NOTHING TO SAY. THIS IS ON SAID IN A MEETING JUNE 24TH, 2024. YOU CAN HEAR IT ON THE VIDEO. SO MY QUESTION TO COLETTE IS IT IS REALLY STRANGE HOW SOMEONE AND I'M SPEAKING FACTS. REMEMBER HOW SOMEONE CAN STEAL FROM THEIR DECEASED FATHER, STEAL FROM THEIR DECEASED BROTHER, GET INDICTED FOR THEFT AND BRIBERY CHARGES, BUT COME UP HERE AND SPEAK AGAINST SOMEONE ELSE, BUT NOT STATING FACTS. YOU'RE GOING OFF OF HEARSAY AND ASSUMPTIONS. COLETTE HAS MY NUMBER. SHE HAD ANYTHING TO SAY? SHE COULD HAVE CALLED ME. SHE HAS MY EMAIL. EVERYONE KNOWS I'M WILLING TO SPEAK WITH ANYONE ABOUT ANYTHING. AS WITH DIANA, WHICH IS A NEIGHBOR TO CLAIRE'S KITCHEN. YES DIANA HAS ALSO BEEN TO SEVERAL EVENTS AT CLAIRE'S KITCHEN AS RECENT AS THE 24TH. THE 14TH AT THE CANELO FIGHT, HER HUSBAND WAS OUT THERE WATCHING THE FIGHT AS WELL. SO WHEN I STATE THAT I'M COMING UP HERE TO SPEAK FACTS, LET'S SPEAK FACTS, LET'S NOT GO OFF ASSUMPTIONS, LET'S LET'S NOT GO OFF OF HEARSAY. LET'S GO OFF OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE STATED. SO IN THE PAPER THERE IS THERE WAS A FALSE NARRATIVE. I'M GOING TO SAY IT A FALSE NARRATIVE BY THE CITY. IT STATED THAT THERE WERE 91 RESPONSES, 91 AGAINST CLAIRE'S KITCHEN. I WANT EVERYONE IN HERE TO GO OFF AND LOOK AT THOSE RESPONSES, TO REALLY SEE HOW MANY WERE AGAINST CLAIRE'S KITCHEN. PLEASE AND OUT OF THOSE RESPONSES, THE PEOPLE THAT CALLED IN AND MADE THE FALSE REPORTS, HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE CITED? HOW MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE GOT A TICKET FOR MAKING FALSE REPORTS STATING PEOPLE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET PLAYING DOMINOS, STATING THERE WAS A FIGHT WHICH IS BLOCKS AWAY. THAT'S NOT AT CLAIRE'S KITCHEN, EVEN TO THE MAYOR WHO'S MADE SEVERAL CALLS, WHO CALLED

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IN STATING THERE WAS PARKING AND A NO PARKING ZONE. AND WHEN THE POLICE OFFICERS COME OUT, THEY SAY WE HAVE TO COME BECAUSE WE GOT A CALL FROM THE MAYOR. IT WAS DOORDASH. THAT WAS PARKED TO PICK UP AN ORDER. BUT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THIS IF YOU DIDN'T CALL US. BUT TO THE MAYOR, YOU LIVE ON WILSON ON JACKSON. THERE'S EVENTS THERE ALL THE TIME, PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET IN THE SAME PARKING SIGNS THAT SAYS, NO PARKING. HAVE YOU EVER CALLED ON THEM? AND IF YOU SAY IT'S NOT, I HAVE VIDEOS, I HAVE PHOTOS. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT. THAT CONCLUDES THE OPEN MIC PORTION AND TAKES US TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. I'LL TAKE A MOTION, BUT FOR ITEMS SO BUT FOR ITEMS AS ONLY TAKE SEVEN. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO OUR FAMILY TONIGHT. OH WOW. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION TONIGHT TO LISTEN TO

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GUNNAR'S FAMILY. SO PARDON ME. WE'RE AT THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM, SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION. BUT FOR ITEMS H J A D A G B F AND A Z. GENTLEMEN, CAN WE HELP HER? OKAY THANK YOU. FAMILY. SPEAK OUT. OKAY. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOUR SELF. SHAME ON YOU. OKAY, SO, SO LET'S HELP THEM OU.

LET'S LET'S HELP THEM OUT. I GOT I GOT A I GOT TO RUN THE MEETING TWO MINUTES OF MY TIME TO PUT THE GARNER FAMILY. NO. HEY, I'M GOING FORWARD WITH THIS MEETING WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT. SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT FOR H J A D A G AND BF AND THEN A BETTER, BETTER SAID A'S AND B'S. SO LET ME, LET ME DO IT OVER, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS H J A D A G B F A Z AND BJ. SO IF YOU HAVE THAT JUDGE, I'LL OTHERWISE I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SIMPLER. OKAY. GOT IT. SO, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

BUT FOR H J A D A G B F A Z AND BJ. THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. MAYOR I'LL SECOND. I CAN'T MAKE MY I CAN'T MAKE MY MACHINE LIGHT UP. THERE WE ARE. OKAY LET'S TAKE A RECES.

ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE. NO. NO SO HERE WE GO. WE HAVE A MOTION. OKAY WELL, NO, I MEAN, WHAT WAS I GOING TO DO? THEY'RE GOING TO STAY HERE THE WHOLE TIME. SO LET'S GO, MOTION, MOTION BY ME.

SECOND BY HOLLAND. YEAH SO CAN WE. CAN WE EXPEDITE THEM? THOSE THAT ARE OURS. THANK YOU. SO MOTION BY BY MAYOR HUDSPETH. SECOND BY, COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. AND THAT IS, BUT FOR THE ITEMS I CALLED. OUT. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. TAKES US TO OUR. THE FIRST ITEM IS PULL ITEM H. I'LL CALL

[H. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton providing the August 22, 2024 meeting absence by Charter Review Committee Member Peter Mungiguerra be excused; and providing an effective date.]

THAT. IT'S ITEM ID 241778. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON PROVIDING THE AUGUST 2000. AUGUST 22ND, 2024 MEETING. ABSENCE BY CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE MEMBER PETER MANGUEIR, BY EXCUSED AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND, IF STAFF COULD COME UP. I HAVE A QUESTIO. THAT'S, ITEM H, PAGE SIX. ARE WE ON PAGE SIX SIX? WE'RE DOING THIS. OH, OKAY. OH, YEAH. WE PULLED THEM. YEAH WE PULLED IT. ALL RIGHT, SO LET ME, STAFF, CAN

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SOMEONE SPEAK TO. YES YES, PLEASE. I WONDER WHY HE PICKED THAT ONE. SO, IS IT PUNITIVE FOR SOMEONE TO, IF THEY MISS A MEETING? IS THAT IS THAT IS THERE ANYTHING PUNITIVE FROM SOMEONE? NOT HAVING AN EXCUSED ABSENCE. LAUREN BOWDEN, CITY SECRETARY. SO OF UNEXCUSED ABSENCES THAT A MEMBER COULD HAVE BEFORE CITY SECRETARY WOULD BRING THAT MEMBER BEFORE THE COUNCIL FOR REVIEW OF THEIR PARTICIPATION. BUT THAT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC DISQUALIFICATION FROM SERVICE. AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO GIVE EXCUSED ABSENCES BASED ON A SET OF CRITERIA. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. SIR. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THOSE ARE? BUT JUST ROUND NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF THERE'S SEVEN OF THEM, EXCUSE FOR FAMILY ILLNESS OR INDIVIDUAL ILLNESS. A DEATH IN THE FAMILY. BUSINESS TRAVEL, AND LIKE CITY RELATED BUSINESS, ALL THOSE THINGS. YES.

YES SO I PULL THIS THIS SEPARATELY BECAUSE THIS, THIS MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE IS SEEKING A EXCUSED ABSENCE FOR ATTENDING A PARTIZAN EVENT. AND SO IT WOULDN'T WORK. MANDATED.

AND IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF MUNICIPAL BUSINESS. IT'S PARTY BUSINESS. AND THAT IS HIS PREROGATIVE TO ATTEND THOSE THINGS. BUT I CAN'T IN GOOD FAITH, EXCUSE AN ABSENCE BASED ON A PARTIZAN EVENT THAT THEY ELECTED TO GO TO VERSUS THE IT'S PRESCRIBED THAT IT SHOULD. THIS IS A MUNICIPAL THING. AND I JUST THINK IT SETS THE WRONG, TONE THAT THAT WE'RE JUST MIXING PARTIZAN AND NON PARTIZAN. AND THAT'S DONE ENOUGH AS IT IS AT THE CITY LEVEL. SO THAT'S WHY I PULLED IT. I WANTED EVERYONE TO I OWED AN EXPLANATION WHY I'M GOING TO VOTE NO. AND I JUST THINK A DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION THERE'S NO MANDATE, NO TRAINING, NO NOTHING RELATED TO THE CITY, TIED TIED TO THAT. SO FOR ME, THAT'S A PROBLEM. AND IT'S NOT PUNITIVE. IT JUST THERE'S NOTHING THAT PREVENTS THEM FROM CONTINUING TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE, CONTINUE TO DO THOSE THINGS. THERE'S NO NEGATIVE REPERCUSSIONS. IT'S JUST SAYING, I DON'T I DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO THAT, TO THE NEED TO EXCUSE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO FOR THAT REASON, I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE. CAN'T MAKE A MOTION IN THE NEGATIVE. SO I'LL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE VOTE. BUT ANY OTHER ANY OTHER GOVERNOR'S FAMILY, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH HER? THANK YOU, OKAY.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I'LL TAKE A MOTION. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO, I MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM H. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. HAPPILY. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES FOUR. THREE TAKES US TO OUR NEXT

[J. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton amending Chapter 2, Article II, Section 2-30 of the Code of the City of Denton (City Council Requests for Information or Agenda Items), to provide for a revised policy making process that provides better information, increased community engagement, elevated involvement of boards and commissions, and budget alignment; providing a repealer clause; providing a severability clause; providing a savings clause; and providing an effective date.]

ITEM, J, WHICH IS ID 241725. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON AMENDING CHAPTER TWO, ARTICLE TWO, SECTION 23.230 OF THE CODE OF CITY OF DENTON, TO PROVIDE FOR A REVISED POLICY MAKING PROCESS THAT PROVIDES BETTER INFORMATION, INCREASED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, ELEVATED INVOLVEMENT OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND BUDGET ALIGNMENT. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH. I'M NOT GOING TO REVISIT TOO MUCH OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD ON PRIOR COUNCILS, I'LL BE VOTING NO TO THIS BECAUSE NOT BECAUSE I DON'T RECOGNIZE THE DILIGENCE OF STAFF AND TRYING TO PROMOTE ENGAGEMENT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE DELAY THAT THIS CAUSES TO, CITY PITCHES, I MOVE APPROVAL. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. I'LL SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES 5 TO 2. TAKES US TO, ITEM A, D. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT

[AD. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton accepting the donation of a peace pole and its dedication and installation in Quakertown Park in the City of Denton and providing an effective date. Parks, Recreation and Beautification Board recommends approval (5-0).]

MAYOR PRO TEM IS RECUSING HIMSELF. OH, WE HAVE TO RECUSE, RIGHT. OKAY. WHICH ONE WAS THAT?

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IS THAT THE WRITER RIGHT THERE? YEAH. THIS IS THE PEACE PLEDGE. OKAY AND I'LL CALL THAT. THAT'S ITEM AD ID 241505. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON ACCEPTING THE DONATION OF A PEACE, A PEACE POLE AND ITS DEDICATION AND INSTALLATION IN QUAKERTOWN PARK IN THE CITY OF DENTON AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE ITEM REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. BEGGING YOUR PARDON, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS A PEACE POLE? NO, SIR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. YEAH. WHO CAN SPEAK TO THAT? OH, DID SHE RECUSE AS WELL? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. CAN SHE COME IN AND EXPLAIN WHAT A PEACE POLE IS IF SHE'S RECUSED? NO. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAS A WORKING DEFINITION OF WHAT A PEACE POLE IS? WHO'S THAT FROM? THE BACK OF MATERIAL? I BELIEVE IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE THROUGHOUT MANY DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. THIS MONEY WAS RAISED BY THE DENTON ROTARY CLUB, AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IT, IT TALKS ABOUT, AFFIRMATIVELY, TO PURSUE PEACE IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE TO THE COMMUNITY ON EACH SIDE. AND THERE IS A DESIGNATED, I BELIEVE, SPOT ON QUAKERTOWN PARK THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PLACE IT. AND THAT IS THAT IS WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS. THANK YOU. AND PLEASE ADD IF I'M WRONG ON THAT. THAT'S JUST FROM MY READING. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. IT'S A MEMORIAL OR A MONUMENT. CORRECT. OKAY. IS IT OKAY? IS IT LIKE A FLAGPOLE? IS IT LIKE A TOTEM POLE? YES.

ESSENTIALLY OKAY. I'VE JUST NEVER HEARD THE TERM. I'M. BEG YOUR PARDON? OKAY. VERY GOOD. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND FOR THE RECORD, AND YOU'LL GET A FORM, COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD RECUSED HERSELF AS WELL. OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT IS APPROVED. THAT PASSES FIVE ZERO. THAT TAKES US TO OUR NO. ONE MORE A G. AND A G IS, ARE Y'ALL.

[AG. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton authorizing the city manager to execute a facility use agreement between the City of Denton Parks and Recreation Department and SPAN Inc. for Meals on Wheels of Denton County; and providing an effective date.]

I THINK YOU'RE STILL RECUSED. PAUL. IS RIGHT. YEP. OKAY. GOT IT, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT PAUL'S, RECUSED HIMSELF, THE MAYOR PRO TEM, AND THEN IT'S A G D 241747. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A FACILITY USE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND SPAN, INC. FOR MEALS ON WHEELS AND DENTON COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO MOVE APPROVAL TO KEEP FUNDING THIS THIS REALLY IMPORTANT PROGRAM IN OUR COMMUNITY.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. WHY WAS IT PULLED? BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE THAT PASSES SIX ZERO TAKES US TO THE LAST ONE. ITEM B F. IT THERE. MR. MAYOR WAS AYES ALSO

[BF. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton approving, and authorizing the execution of an agreement between the City of Denton and Span, Inc., for the expenditure of City Council contingency funds in the amount of two hundred dollars ($200) in support of the organization; and providing an effective date.]

PULLED AYES. AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THOSE AYES. AND BJ WERE PULLED. BUT BUT THERE'S NO VOTE OKAY. THANK YOU MR. COME BACK. SO BF IS ID 241851. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON AND SPAN, INC. FOR THE FOR THE EXPENDITURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL CONTINGENCY FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $200 IN SUPPORT OF THE ORGANIZATION. AND AGAIN, THE MAYOR PRO TEM HAS RECUSED HIMSELF. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX COUNCILPERSON CHESTER I MOVE APPROVAL AS, AS REQUESTED AND VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT SPAN DOES. I BELIEVE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE HAPPILY, SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES SIX ZERO, THAT TAKES US TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. AND FOR THE RECORD, THE OTHER TWO, A Z AND BJ, WERE PULLED AND WILL COME BACK TO US AT A LATER DATE. ALL RIGHT. OUR FIRST PUBLIC

[A. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, adopting the Design Downtown Denton Plan and amending the Denton 2040 Comprehensive Plan. The Design Downtown Denton Plan has an approximate boundary line of Carroll Boulevard to the west, Eagle Drive to the south, Bell Avenue and Mingo Road to the east, and a northern boundary generally along College Street, Texas Street, Oakland Street, and University Drive, encompassing approximately 767 acres in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; and providing an effective date. The Parks, Recreation and Beautification Board recommended approval of the proposal (5-0). The motion was made by Commissioner Martin-Young and seconded by Commissioner Lichtenberg. The Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval of the proposal (6-0). The motion was made by Commissioner Villareal and seconded by Commissioner Cole. (CA24-0003a, Design Downtown Denton Plan, Cameron Robertson and Sean Jacobson)]

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HEARING IS ITEM A, CA240003A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS. ADOPTING A DESIGN DOWNTOWN PLAN AND AMENDING THE DENTON 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE DESIGN DOWNTOWN DENTON PLAN HAS AN APPROXIMATELY BOUNDARY LINE OF CARROLL BOULEVARD TO THE WEST, EAGLE TO THE SOUTH, BELL AVENUE AND MINGO ROAD TO THE EAST, AND A NORTHERN BOUNDARY GENERALLY LOCATED ON COLLEGE STREET, TEXAS STREET, OAKLAND STREET, AND UNIVERSITY DRIVE, ENCOMPASSING 767 ACRES IN THE CITY OF DENTON, DENTON COUNTY.

AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARIN. AND WHO'S WHO'S PRESENTING THAT? THERE WE GO. THERE SHE IS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, CAMERON ROBERTSON, BEFORE WE START, I JUST WANT TO SAY WE ARE PLEASED TO PRESENT THE DESIGN DOWNTOWN DENTON PLAN WITH YOU ALL, BEFORE I ASK ZACH LOCKREM OF MEN COLLABORATIVE UP HERE TO TAKE OVER, JUST WANTED TO THANK THE STAFF AND ALL THE COMMUNITY OVER THE LAST YEAR FOR ALL THEIR DEDICATION AND THEIR INPUT, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS. BUT WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO ZACH. OKAY. THANK YOU.

LET'S GET YOU ALL. DO YOU KNOW HOW TO GET INTO PRESENTATION MODE? THANK YOU. WELL, IT'S MY.

APOLOGIES. WE CAN DO IT LIKE THIS. ARE YOU SURE? YEP. OKAY. WELL. HELLO, EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME THIS EVENING. I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE TO PRESENT THE DESIGN DOWNTOWN DENTON PLAN.

MY NAME IS ZACH LOCKREM. I'M A PARTNER WITH MEND COLLABORATIVE, AND WE'VE BEEN HIRED BY THE CITY TO HELP TO REALLY HELP LEAD THROUGH THIS PROCESS. OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE WORKED WITH A TEAM THAT INCLUDED NELSON NYGAARD. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU. WE WORKED WITH A TEAM THAT INCLUDED NELSON NYGAARD, POST OAK PRESERVATION SOLUTIONS, CATALYST URBAN PLANNING, AND DEVELOPMENT, AND THE WILLIAM FULTON GROUP AND WE WERE REALLY BLESSED TO BE ABLE TO BRING IN A LOCAL ARTIST TO HELP ACTUALLY DESIGN THE LOOK OF THE PLAN. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REFERENCE, JUDE AS WELL, WHO HELPED US DESIGN SOME OF THE GRAPHICS. TONIGHT I'LL PROVIDE A BRIEF PROJECT OVERVIEW, PRESENT SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THE DOWNTOWN DENTON PLAN, AND INVITE YOU TO RECEIVE THE PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN ALLOW YOU TO TAKE ACTION ON THE PLAN THAT'S BEEN ENDORSED BY OUR ADVISORY GROUP AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PLAN FOR OVER A YEAR. WE STARTED LAST JUNE, AND THE PLAN WENT THROUGH FOUR KEY PHASES. IN THE FIRST PHASE, WE WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME OF THE KEY ISSUES AND OPPORTUNITIES WERE. IN THE SECOND PHASE, WE BEGAN TO ENVISION STRATEGIES TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY MEET THE GOALS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAD SET OUT FOR ITSELF. IN THE ACT PHASE, WE BEGAN TO DEVELOP AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN RELATING TO THE PLAN AND THEN FINALLY NOW WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THE ADOPTION PROCESS, THE DOWNTOWN DENTON PLAN. COVERED AN AREA STRETCHING FROM CARROLL BOULEVARD ON THE WEST TO BELL AVENUE ON THE EAST, FROM EAGLE ON THE SOUTH TO THE UNIVERSITY ON THE NORTH. THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, WE'VE HAD EXTENSIVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. WE TOOK A HYBRID APPROACH TO THAT THAT INCLUDED BOTH ONLINE AND IN PERSON. WE HAD PRESENTATIONS OR POP UPS AT OVER 40 EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE TIME OF THE PROCESS. SO LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO CONNECT IN PERSON, AS WELL AS HAVING A REALLY SIGNIFICANT ONLINE PRESENCE DURING THE PROCESS. SO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HEAR FROM LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF DETONATES ABOUT THEIR KIND OF HOPES AND DREAMS FOR DOWNTOWN AS WELL AS WHAT THEY LOVE ABOUT THE AREA AND WHAT THEY WANTED US TO PRESERVE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE MOVING FORWARD. THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE DEVELOPED A VISION STATEMENT DESIGNED DOWNTOWN DENTON TO BE MORE WALKABLE, BEAUTIFUL, AND FUN DESTINATION FOR SHOPPING, WORKING, LEARNING, AND RECREATION THAT ALSO SERVES AS A HUB OF OPPORTUNITY. WELCOMING ALL DENTON NIGHTS. CULTIVATE A VIBRANT AND DIVERSE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. PRESERVE AND EXPAND THE DISTINCTIVE LOCAL BUSINESSES, FOSTER A STRONG SENSE OF COMMUNITY, AND SAFEGUARD THE HISTORIC AND ARTISTIC CHARACTER WHILE PROMOTING GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. THROUGH THE ENGAGEMENT, WE ALSO DEVELOPED A SET OF COMMUNITY PRIORITIES. SO THESE ARE THE GOALS THAT WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS AND THEY FELL INTO THESE EIGHT CATEGORIES. SO IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK THROUGH THE REPORT, YOU'LL SEE THAT EACH ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS SET TO ADDRESS AT LEAST ONE OF THESE

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AREAS. MOST OF THEM ACTUALLY ADDRESS MULTIPLE WITHIN THAT AREA THROUGHOUT THE PLAN, THERE ARE 23 TOTAL RECOMMENDATIONS, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE YOU THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM TONIGHT, BUT I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A FEW OF THE HIGHLIGHTS, THERE'S A LOT OF CONTENT IN THERE AND A LOT OF INFORMATION. BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU A SORT OF THE HIGH LEVEL. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE MOST EXCITING THINGS AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY REALLY WANTED TO SEE PRIORITIZED THROUGH THE PROCESS? THE FIRST SECTION OF THE PLAN FOCUSES ON UTILIZING DOWNTOWN DENTON STREET SPACE. WE STARTED THERE BECAUSE THAT'S MOST OF THE LAND THAT DENTON OWNS ACTUALLY IN THE AREA, THE PUBLIC REALM, THE SIDEWALKS, THE STREETS ARE ALL AREAS THAT ARE MOSTLY UNDER THE CITY'S CONTROL AND ACTUALLY GIVE US A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO REALLY BE ABLE TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE WOULD USE THAT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD. DOWNTOWN DENTON, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE HEARD THROUGH THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAT WAS THAT DOWNTOWN'S WALKABILITY WAS REALLY A COMPETITIVE STRENGTH. IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE REALLY LOVE ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN AREA, AND IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY CONNECTS THE SMALL BUSINESSES. AS WELL. SO A NUMBER OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS REALLY FOCUS ON REALLY WORKING TO EXPAND SOME OF THE WALKABILITY, DEAL WITH SOME OF THE SAFETY ISSUES THAT ARE COMING IN, CONFLICTS BETWEEN CARS AND PEDESTRIANS IN DOWNTOW, AND REALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UTILIZING THAT STREET SPACE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FORWARDING OUR LARGER GOALS AND OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOALS. FIRST RECOMMENDATION LOOKS AT A FEW DIFFERENT STREETS WHERE THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF USING, CHANGING FROM FOUR LANES TO A LANE IN EACH DIRECTION AND A TURN LANE, WHICH REALLY HELPS WITH SOME OF THE SAFETY WITHIN SOME OF THE STREETS DOWNTOWN, MOST CAR ACCIDENTS ARE ACTUALLY HAPPENING WHEN CARS ARE TURNING OR WHEN THEY'RE CHANGING LANES BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AROUND SOMEONE WHO'S STOPPED TO TURN. SO BY BEING ABLE TO MOVE TO JUST A LANE IN EACH DIRECTION WITH ACTUALLY DEDICATED TURN LANES, WE IMPROVE SAFETY WITHOUT REALLY AFFECTING THROUGHPUT. THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT IS ONE THAT I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT, AND THIS WAS ACTUALLY THE TOP PRIORITY WHEN WE ACTUALLY ASKED THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHICH THINGS THEY WANTED TO SEE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S THE IDEA OF THESE DENTON CHILL STREETS. SO THE CHILL STREETS ARE A NETWORK OF STREETS THAT CONNECTS THE UNIVERSITIES, THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE AND THE TRANSIT CENTER THAT WOULD BE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO CREATE COOLER PLACES TO WALK. SO WE WOULD REALLY EMPHASIZE SHADE. WE WOULD EMPHASIZE COOLER BUILDING MATERIALS. WE WOULD EMPHASIZE SOME OF THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY WORK TO COOL AMBIENT AIR TEMPERATURE, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST SOME PATHWAYS THROUGH DOWNTOWN THAT ARE STAYING ANYWHERE FROM 5 TO 10 DEGREES COOLER THAN THE AMBIENT TEMPERATURE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THE SECOND SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOCUSES ON THE PUBLIC SPACES, INCLUDING THE PARK SPACES THROUGHOUT DOWNTOWN. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT AREAS OF THIS WORK WAS FOCUSED ON THE QUAKERTOWN PARK MASTER PLAN. THROUGH THIS WORK, WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE WAYS THAT WE COULD REALLY WORK TO ACCOMMODATE A LOT OF THE USES THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE PARK TODAY, INCLUDING THE FESTIVALS AND SOME OF THE OTHER PIECES THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE, REALLY WORKING TO EMPHASIZE THE HISTORIC ASSETS THAT ARE WITHIN THE PARK, WHILE ALSO WORKING WITH DESCENDANTS OF PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN DISPLACED FROM QUAKER TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE WANTED MEMORY AND MEMORIALIZATION WITHIN THESE SPACES TO ACTUALLY WORK AND REALLY CREATING A STRATEGY FOR A DESIGN PROCESS THAT WOULD MOVE FORWARD FROM HERE TO REALLY WORK TO, CREATE A REALLY VIBRANT SPACE THAT IS REALLY USING UP THAT SPACE WELL AND IS REALLY REPRESENTING DENTON WELL, WE WANT TO SAY IS THAT THIS PLAN IS A CONCEPT PLAN. THE WHAT WE LAY OUT IS THE PROCESS THAT WOULD GO FORWARD FROM HERE IN ORDER FOR THE FINAL DESIGN TO ACTUALLY BE ACCOMMODATED. SO THERE ARE SOME AREAS WITHIN THIS WHERE WHAT WE'VE DONE HAS BEEN BUILDING OFF OF OTHER PLANNING PROCESSES THAT HAVE GONE ON, INCLUDING THE PARKS MASTER PLAN AND THE AQUATICS MASTER PLAN. IN THIS CASE, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IN THIS EXAMPLE IS HAVING A SPLASH PAD IN THE PLACE WHERE THE PARK CURRENTLY IS, BUT MAINTAINING THE HISTORIC SLOPE OF THE PARK AND OR OF THE POOL AND REALLY TRYING TO CREATE A MORE ALL YEAR ROUND USABLE SPACE WITHIN THAT SPACE. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE WORKED THROUGH WITH THE COMMUNITY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE A REINVESTMENT IN THE POOL, OR WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE SOME OTHER USE WITHIN THAT SPACE. WE ALSO TALK ABOUT ACTIVATING VACANT LOTS.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A LOT THAT IS CURRENTLY VACANT, RIGHT ON THE SQUARE. WHAT THIS SHOWS IS WHAT YOU CAN DO WHEN YOU ACTUALLY START TO REIMAGINE THESE SPACES. THE WAY THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS IS BOTH AS A PARK AMENITY, BUT ALSO FORWARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOALS, LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY INSERT SOME NEW BUSINESSES INTO THESE SPACES.

BUT ALSO USING IT AS SOMETHING THAT CAN ACTUALLY DRAW PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, OUT TO THE EAST, WHERE THERE HAS BEEN SO MUCH MORE INVESTMENT IN BUSINESSES DOWN ALONG HICKORY, HELPING ACTUALLY WITH SOME OF THE GRADE DIFFERENCES THAT HAPPEN BETWEEN THE SQUARE AND THE STREETS BEHIND IT. AND THEN ALSO REALLY THINKING ABOUT HOW WE START TO REUSE THE NEW STREETS AND THE

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STREETS THAT ARE BEHIND THE SQUARE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE INTERESTING WAY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, WE TALK FURTHER ABOUT THAT. IT'S GOT ITS OWN RECOMMENDATION, REALLY LOOKING AT SOME OF THE WAYS THAT WE WOULD USE SOME OF THESE STREETS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERUTILIZED, BOTH FOR TEMPORARY EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT ALSO FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE RECONSTRUCTIONS AND REDESIGNS. THE THIRD SECTION FOCUSES ON DEVELOPMENT AND REALLY THINKING ABOUT HOW WE BUILD ON THE CHARACTER AND ASSETS OF DOWNTOWN. ONE OF THE BIGGEST OPPORTUNITIES COMING INTO THIS PROCESS WAS THAT THE WORK THAT HAD BEEN DONE TO ALLEVIATE THE FLOODPLAIN IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF DOWNTOWN HAS REALLY CREATED NEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. PREVIOUSLY, MOST OF WHAT IS SOUTH OF THE SQUARE HAD BEEN IN A FLOODPLAIN, WHICH MEANT THAT THERE WAS VERY LITTLE THAT COULD HAPPEN FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE. SO WE WORKED WITH SOME OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS TO REALLY START TO THINK ABOUT WHAT DOES BOTH NEW DEVELOPMENT AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT LOOK LIKE IN THOSE SPACES? HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LEVERAGING OUR RESOURCES AND HAVING DEVELOPERS WORK TOGETHER IN ORDER TO GET THE BEST PROJECTS POSSIBLE, AS WELL AS BRINGING IN NEEDED AMENITIES LIKE SHARED PARKING THAT CAN BE USED THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN AREA. IN THIS EXAMPLE, WE'VE ALSO SHOWN HOW WE COULD USE A NEW PARK IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF DOWNTOWN TO LEVERAGE SOME OF THAT PUBLIC FUNDING IN ORDER TO REALLY ACTIVATE AND CREATE THE TYPE OF ACTIVITY THAT WE WANT TO SEE. WE TALK ABOUT ENCOURAGING MORE DOWNTOWN LIVING AND ACTUALLY SETTING A SPECIFIC GOAL AROUND HOW MANY UNITS WE WANT TO SEE IN DOWNTOWN IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OUR MARKET RESEARCH IS THAT THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF DEMAND FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF PRODUCTS IN AND AROUND DOWNTOWN, AND THAT DOWNTOWN CAN REALLY BE CONTINUE TO BE AN EVEN MORE VITAL RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, WHICH IN TURN HELPS SERVE THE BUSINESSES BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE CUSTOMERS AND MORE ROOFTOPS. WE TALK ABOUT HOW TO STRENGTHEN SOME OF OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION OPPORTUNITIES, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING STATE AND FEDERAL TAX CREDITS WHERE WE CAN IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BRINGING IN AS MUCH FUNDING AS WE CAN IN THOSE AREAS. FOR THE CITY, WE SET PUBLIC REALM DESIGN GUIDELINES AND ZONING RECOMMENDATIONS. SO THIS IS SO THAT WHEN DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING THEM PUT IN THE SIDEWALKS AND THE STREETSCAPES THAT WE WANT TO SEE WITHIN THOSE SPACES, AS WELL AS ACTUALLY DEFINING HOW WE WANT THOSE SPACES TO BE DIFFERENT. FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAVE A VENUE VERSUS IF WE HAVE A RESTAURANT AND HOW THE STREET CAN ACTUALLY BE REACTANT AND ACTUALLY SUPPORTING DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESSES IN THOSE AREAS. LASTLY, WHILE WE CAN'T SAY FOR SURE THAT A DEVELOPER NEEDS TO DO X, Y, OR Z, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY WERE REALLY THINGS THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT AND THINGS THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE MORE OF DOWNTOWN. SO WE CREATED A RECOMMENDATION THAT'S IT'S REALLY SORT OF A MENU FOR DEVELOPERS OF THESE ARE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE MORE OF. IF YOU WERE TO COME WITH A PROPOSAL, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE EXCITED TO SEE. THAT INCLUDES HOTELS, PUBLIC AND SHARED PARKING, A PUBLIC MARKET, AND MORE MUSIC AND ART VENUES. THE FOURTH AREA REALLY FOCUSES ON SOME OF THE POLICY THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE WE CAPTURE THE VALUE OF THE REST OF THE PLAN. ONE OF THE KEY AREAS IS REALLY BUILDING ON DOWNTOWN'S REPUTATION AS A GREAT SPOT FOR MUSIC AND NIGHTLIFE, AND REALLY WORKING TO ADD SOME OF THE CITY POLICIES THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT CAN BE SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE INDUSTRIES AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT CAN CONTINUE TO GROW AS AN ATTRACTOR FOR DOWNTOWN. WE TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF A NEW PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, AND REALLY LOOKING AT THE WAYS THAT WE CAN BRING TOGETHER A SPACE FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ARTS ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY USING SMALLER SPACES OR RENTING SMALLER SPACES AROUND, BUT REALLY CREATING A CENTER OF GRAVITY AROUND SOME OF THE PERFORMANCE AND OTHER TYPES OF ART THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY. WE OF COURSE, HAVE A SIGNIFICANT SECTION FOCUSED ON SMALL BUSINESSES AND EXPANDING THE PROGRAMS THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES CONTINUE TO SUCCEED DOWNTOWN. WE TALK ABOUT ESTABLISHING A DOWNTOWN BRAND AND SHARING MARKETING AND OPPORTUNITIES AROUND REALLY WORKING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE INTO THE AREA. AND WE TALK ABOUT ALL OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN BRING TOGETHER ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT FUNDING STREAMS AS WELL AS ESTABLISHING NEW MECHANISMS FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN REALLY UPGRADE MAINTENANCE, THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO FUND AND IMPROVE THINGS LIKE OUR SAFETY AND CLEANLINESS TYPE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN THROUGH THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. SO WITH THAT, I WILL STOP AND I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF INITIALLY. THEN I HAVE SOME CARDS OF FOLKS THAT WANT TO SPEAK. SO WE'LL ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO SEE IF WE CAN'T GET SOME CLARITY ON IS THE SORT OF ROLE OF THIS LEVEL OF PLANNING VERSUS, ACTUALLY DESIGNING THE ELEMENTS THAT WILL FINALLY BE THERE. YOU SORT OF ALLUDED TO IT AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR

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PRESENTATION, BUT AND I'LL JUST PUT IT INTO CONTEXT, THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE IS NOT COMPLETELY THERE YET ON THE AQUATICS PORTIONS OF THIS PLAN. AND, AND SO I THINK WE HAVE SOME WE HAVE SOME DEVELOPMENT HOMEWORK TO DO TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CONSENSUS OF THE COMMUNITY WILL ULTIMATELY END UP BEING. SO CAN YOU ADDRESS THE SORT OF FLEXIBLE NATURE OF WHERE WE ARE IN THIS PLAN? I'D BE VERY HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT, WITH REGARDS TO ANY OF THE PARK OPPORTUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT FORWARD, SOME OF THOSE PARK OPPORTUNITIES ARE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. SOME OF THEM ARE CURRENTLY ON PROPERTIES THAT ARE PRIVATELY OWNED. THE WAY THAT WE TRIED TO DESIGN THE PLAN WAS TO GIVE THE KIND OF KEY ELEMENTS THAT WE HEARD IN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT NEED TO BE A PART OF FUTURE DESIGN, BUT ANY DESIGN PROCESS THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING INTO CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTATION WOULD INVOLVE SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC INPUT TO REFINE AND MAKE SOME OF THOSE FINAL DECISIONS. SO IN THE EXAMPLE THAT WE DID IN QUAKERTOWN PARK SPECIFICALLY, WE TOOK THE GUIDANCE OF SOME OF THE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN COUNCIL ADOPTED, SPECIFICALLY THE PARKS PLAN AND THE AQUATICS PLAN. IN SHOWING THIS AS A, AS A SPLASH PAD. HOWEVER THAT WOULD BE A DECISION THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE MADE IN COORDINATION WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT REALLY TALKING ABOUT WHERE RESOURCES ARE BEING SPREAD AROUND THE COMMUNITY AND THE FINAL DECISION WOULD BE MADE ON THAT. IT'S DEFINITELY, THOUGH, WORTH NOTING THAT THE CURRENT FACILITY WILL NEED SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES IN EITHER CASE. NO, I APPRECIATE THE CLARITY OF THAT.

SO IF I COULD JUST RESTATE BRIEFLY, THERE IS, IF THE COMMUNITY IS NOT INTERESTED IN THE PEACE PARK OR THE AMPHITHEATER OR ANY OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO STILL, REACH A DIFFERENT, END POINT. THIS IS NOT LOCKED IN STONE AT THIS TIME. THIS IS JUST A GENERALIZED FRAMEWORK THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. AND REALLY, WHAT IF WITHIN THE QUAKER TOWN PARK SECTION, SPECIFICALLY, ESPECIALLY WHAT THAT TRI SECTION TRIES TO DO IS LAY OUT THE PROCESS THAT SHOULD MOVE FORWARD FROM HERE, THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO INVOLVE BOTH DESCENDANTS OF QUAKERTOWN PARK AS WELL AS THE GENERAL PUBLIC ON THE FINAL DESIGNS OF THOSE ELEMENTS. NO, I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I'LL ENCOURAGE STAFF TO DO LOTS OF ENGAGEMENTS ON THIS THIS AQUATICS ISSUE, THE COMMUNITY IS, IS NOT THERE YET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY OKAY. CAN YOU HELP ME OUT UP THERE NEXT SPEAKER IS, REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. MR. GARNER, THANK YOU EVERYONE, FOR COMING.

REPRESENTATIVE, DISTRICT FOUR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I WILL TELL YOU, REPRESENTATIVE, CAN YOU PUT YOUR SEAT REPRESENTATIVE, FOR REPRESENTATIVE. OKAY. OKAY NEVER MIND. PAUL. PAUL, ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK? ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK? OKAY. I COULDN'T HEAR YOU. YEAH, I KNOW HE STOPPED. GO. THAT'S THE KEY. OKAY, SO JUST GO. SO I JUST WANT TO STATE THIS AND TAKE IT ALL AS A QUESTION. THIS IS A VISION, A DIRECTION, A ROADMAP, BUT IT DOESN'T. BY ITSELF ENABLE ANY OF THE LEGALLY ENABLE ANY OF THE PIECES. IT DOESN'T FUND IT. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? IT IT WILL AND I THINK I WANT TO HAVE STAFF MAKE SURE I'M SAYING THIS CORRECTLY. IT WILL AMEND THE COMP PLAN IN WHICH WILL MAKE IT THE OFFICIAL POLICY DIRECTION.

BUT THERE IS NOT SPECIFIC FUNDING THAT IS SET ASIDE FOR ANY ELEMENT WITHIN THE PLAN AT THIS TIME. YEAH, THAT'S THE NEXT STEP. NOR DOES ANY PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT. YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. I DO WANT TO ACTUALLY JUST MAKE SURE STAFF I'VE STATED THAT. WELL CAMERON. CAMERON. CAMERON, CAN YOU. CAN YOU CONFIRM I STATED THAT CORRECTLY? IF YOU WERE ABLE TO HEAR SORRY I CAN'T OKAY. SO THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S QUESTION WAS JUST HE WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THE DOCUMENT WILL IT WILL BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMP PLAN. IT WILL SET THE POLICY DIRECTION. BUT THERE IS NOT ANY SPECIFIC FUNDING THAT IS SET ASIDE FOR ANY SPECIFIC PROJECT, IF I MAY. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T LEGALLY, KICK OFF ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT. IT SETS THE VISION, SETS THE DIRECTION FORMALLY. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH.

OKAY. AND SO LOTS TO DO BETWEEN HERE AND THERE. SORRY TO MAKE YOU REPEAT YOURSELF. YEAH. THANK

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YOU. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. THIS SOUNDS SO EXCITING. AND I'M GLAD THAT THE CITY HAS, YOU KNOW, DECIDED OR WE'VE COME TO THIS POINT WHERE WE'VE HAD TO LOOK AT OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. I KNOW IT'S A VERY ACTIVE AND VIBRANT AREA, AND WITH WHAT I'VE SEEN TONIGHT, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST MORE AND MORE AND MORE, WHICH IS GOOD. IT'S A GOOD THING. IT'S ACCOMMODATING PEOPLE THAT ARE NEW TO OUR CITY AND IT'S ALSO GIVING THE US OLD HEADS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND HERE A WHILE, AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A NEWER VISION FOR WHAT WE COULD BE. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. I AM GOING TO, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEPS. I DO FEEL LIKE I WELL, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS. I THINK THAT I, I'M HOPING THAT I'VE BEEN HEARD THAT THERE IS ANOTHER ADDITIONAL PORTION OF, OF THIS PLAN THAT I'D LIKE TO ADD IN. AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE BUSINESS, BUT IT'S THE LOCATION THAT IS JUST EAST OF THE CIVIC CENTER. THERE'S A LITTLE BREWERY THAT'S THERE. I'VE SEEN THAT BREWERY GO THROUGH AT LEAST FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF SPACE OF USES, BUT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, COLLECTIVELY, CAMERON, WHEREVER, WHERE YOU ALL ARE, LOOK AT THAT AREA AND PULL THAT INTO THE DOWNTOWN SPACE. IT DOES BRING, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT OF ACTIVITY THERE. I'M THINKING THAT SOME OF THE REASON WHY SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES HAVE GONE OUT IS BECAUSE OF THE TRAIN. YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY LOUD THERE. SO I DON'T WANT TO MISS THAT SPACE. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE COMPANY THAT'S THERE, BUT THERE'S THAT SPACE TO CLARIFY. THIS IS ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE OF BELL, ON THE EAST SIDE OF BELL, JUST NORTH OF THE CHICKEN. YEP. AND SO THEY DO A GREAT JOB YOU KNOW. AND I AND I WANT THEY MEANING THE

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THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. IT IS 834. WE'LL TAKE A QUICK FIVE MINUTE BREAK. AND I MEAN FIVE.

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LIKE FOR Y'ALL NEED TO BE BACK BY FIVE SO WE CAN KEEP IT ROLL

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AND WELCOME BACK TO THIS MEETING DENTON CITY COUNCIL. IT IS 841. WE ARE ON OUR SECOND PUBLIC

[B. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton designating the property located at 1526 Willowwood Street, being Tracts 42, 43, and 45 of the A.N.B. Tompkins Survey, Abstract Number 1246, a Historic Landmark under Section 2.9.4 of the Denton Development Code; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and effective date. The Historic Landmark Commission voted [5-0] to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Treat and second by Commissioner McAdams. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [4-0] to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Cole and second by Commissioner Padron. (HL24-0002b, Historic Landmark Designation of 1526 Willowwood Street, Cameron Robertson)]

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HEARING AND IT IS H. L24000 TO BE HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN

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ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON DESIGN DESIGNATING THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1526 WILLOWOOD

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STREET, BEING TRACKS 42, 43 AND 45 OF THE A AND B TOMPKINS SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER ONE, TWO,

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FOUR SIX ON A HISTORIC LANDMARK UNDER SECTION 2.9.4, THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE. GOOD EVENING,

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MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS CAMERON ROBERTSON, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. AS STATED, THIS IS FOR A HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION AT 1526 WILLOW WOOD STREET IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE REQUEST IS EVALUATED FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE DENTON 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE 2019 HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN, AND THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO STAFF'S ANALYSIS DETERMINED THAT IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOAL. ONE POLICY, 1.3 OF THAT 2019 HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN, AS WELL AS GOAL COMMUNITY CHARACTER DASH TWO OF THE DENTON 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AS STATED, STAFF DID LOOK AT THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 20.9.4 B, WHICH SPECIFIES THE APPROVAL CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION OF A HISTORIC LANDMARK OF WHICH 1526 WILLOW WOOD STREET MEETS CRITERIA ONE, FIVE AND 11, WHICH I WILL GO INTO FURTHER NOW LOOKING AT APPROVAL CRITERIA ONE. THIS PROPERTY IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A LIVE WORK LIFESTYLE HOME. THESE HOMES ARE VERY POPULAR, ESPECIALLY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND HOUSTON, BEGINNING IN THE 1950S. AND REALLY TAKING OFF IN THE 1970S. THE ARCHITECTS OF THIS HOME, ANDERSON WILSON ARCHITECTS, WAS BASED IN HOUSTON, AND FOR THEIR CLIENTS AT 1526 WILLOW WOOD STREET, THEY CONSTRUCTED THE HOME TO PROVIDE TWO ARTIST STUDIOS, ONE OF WHICH WAS A PHOTOGRAPHER'S DARKROOM AND THE OTHER A POTTERY STUDIO.

JUMPING TO APPROVAL CRITERIA FIVE. THE PROPERTY IS A CONTEMPORARY STYLE, SO UNLIKE MANY OF THE HOMES THAT YOU ALL HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST, THESE HOMES DO NOT HAVE AS MUCH ARCHITECTURAL ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING ON THE OUTSIDE. THE MAIN FOCUS ACTUALLY IN THE INTERIOR OF THE RESIDENCE IN TERMS OF ITS FUNCTIONALITY AND ITS INTEGRATION WITH THE OUTDOOR VIEWS. THIS PROPERTY WAS AN EXPANSION OF A SIMILAR RESIDENTIAL STYLE THAT WAS IN THE SOUTHERN LIVING MAGAZINE IN 1972, AND ONE OF THE MAIN FEATURES OF THIS HOME IS THAT IT HAS A 25 FOOT HIGH BY 60 FOOT WIDE ENCLOSED FRONT COURTYARD. MOVING ON TO CRITERIA 11, THE PROPERTY HAS HAD MANY SIGNIFICANT PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN THE HOME, INCLUDING THE ORIGINAL OWNERS, THE FELDMAN FAMILY. THEY CONTRIBUTED GREATLY TO THE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF DENTON AND DENTON COUNTY. THEY WERE SOME OF THE FOUNDERS OF THE CONGREGATION KOL AMI, ALSO KNOWN AS CCA, WHICH IS NOW LOCATED IN FLOWER MOUND, IN ADDITION, WE HAVE DOCTOR GILDA GARCIA, WHO IS THE CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER. SHE WAS THE FORMER CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS AND THEN THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS, JENNIFER LANE AND DOCTOR JAMES CARR, HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS, ALSO NATIONALLY AND INTERNATIONALLY, VIA TEACHING, PERFORMANCE AND MUSIC. STAFF DID CONDUCT PUBLIC OUTREACH, OF WHICH WE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST FOR THE HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION AT 1526 WILLOW WOOD STREET. AS IT DOES MEET OUR DENTON 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT 2019 HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN AND SECTION 2.9.4 B OF THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND IT HAS ALREADY RECEIVED APPROVAL FROM THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION AS WELL AS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. AND I CAN STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH, THIS, THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM MELTZER, THIS IS A VERY DISTINCTIVE HOUSE. IS IT THE FIRST HOUSE COMING UP FOR SUCH DESIGNATION IN DENIA? YES. OKAY. BECAUSE WE MAY BEGIN A TREND. THERE'S A LOT OF DISTINCTIVE MID-CENTURY HOUSES THERE. AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SUPPORTING THIS REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU, ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS PIQUED MY INTEREST, AND MAYBE I JUST MISHEARD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING, GENERALLY FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION, IT'S THE INTERIOR. IT DOES NOT COUNT TOWARDS THE CLASSIFICATION. IT'S

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ALL THE FACING AND THE FORM ON THE OUTSIDE OR. CORRECT. CORRECT. ME, I JUST NOT SURE WHERE WE LAND ON THAT. SURE. SO FOR THE CITY'S CRITERIA, WE TECHNICALLY HAVE 13 DIFFERENT CRITERIA OF WHICH THE PROPERTY CAN BE DESIGNATED BY. SO THIS PROPERTY DOES MEET THREE OF THOSE CRITERIA. IN THIS INSTANC. CONTEMPORARY STYLE. YES. THE DESIGN OF ITSELF IS WAS MOSTLY GEARED TOWARDS THE INTERIOR, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE THE EXTERIOR ANY LESS IMPORTANT. OKAY, SO I'M I JUST MEAN FOR OUR DESIGNATION, DO WE DO LOOK AT THE INTERIOR OR WE OR WE LET ME SAY THIS A DIFFERENT WAY. WE CAN LOOK AT THE INTERIOR FOR THAT DESIGNATION OR WE IT'S NOT PART OF OUR IT'S NOT ONE OF THE CRITERIA. CRITERIA. OKAY, OKAY. I APPRECIATE THE EDUCATION.

THANK YOU. OF COURSE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. WHEN WAS WHEN WAS THE HOUSE BUILT, SO THE HOUSE WAS BUILT CIRCA 1978, EARLY 1979. IS WHEN THE FAMILY MOVED IN, JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION, WHEN IT COMES TO HISTORIC PROPERTIES AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, WE DO NOT REQUIRE THE HOME TO BE 50 YEARS OLD TO BE DESIGNATED. WE DO, HOWEVER, REQUIRE HOMES WITHIN OUR LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR LOCAL CONSERVATION DISTRICTS TO BE 50 YEARS OR OLDER. I'VE BEEN IN THE HOUSE. I WAS, I, DOCTOR FELDMAN WAS IN MY KIWANIS CLUB AND WE HAD SOMETHING THERE. SO I'VE BEEN IN THE HOUSE. I JUST IT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S OLD ENOUGH TO BE USING THE WORD HISTORIC. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. OH, BEFORE I DO THAT, LET ME DO THIS ONE. SPEAKER. IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. YOU CAN SPEAK IF YOU WANT. I HAVE ONE CARD, MR. LEE, IF YOU COME DOWN, GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. YES.

MY NAME IS CHARLES LEE. AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS IN PLANNING AND ZONING. I THINK THIS, I'LL BE STRAIGHT UP BLUNT. I THINK THIS HISTORICAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST SCAMS YOU GOT GOING HERE, TO ME, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A BUNCH OF LIBERALS THAT WANT TO EXEMPT THEMSELVES FROM. BECAUSE YOU GET A 25% TAX ABATEMENT WHEN YOU DESIGNATE YOUR HOUSE AS A AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE INSIDE THAT JUST WANT TO GET A 25% ABATEMENT ON THEIR HOUSE FROM THE POLICIES OF RAISING UP ALL THE TAXES ON EVERYBODY ELSE. AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO IS JUST SHIFT THE BURDEN TO OTHER PEOPLE WHO AREN'T ON THE END, WHO AREN'T ON THE INSIDE, WHO DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO HIRE A SLICK ATTORNEY TO GET THEM ABATEMENT WHILE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS GOT TO PAY FOR THEIR FOR THEIR FOR THEIR POLICIES THAT THEY'RE ADVOCATING FOR. IT'S ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING BECAUSE YOU GOT A FARM OVER THERE ON LOCUST STREET THAT'S OVER 100 YEARS OLD. THAT IS A HISTORIC. BUT NOW THEY JUST WANT TO TEAR THAT DOWN SO THEY CAN BUILD SOME BUILDINGS THAT DEVELOP IN THERE, BUT THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. BUT THEN YOU GOT SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO ME. I DON'T I'M OLDER THAN THE HOUSE AND THE BUILDING. IF I'M OLDER THAN THE BUILDING, IT'S NOT HISTORIC. IT'S NOT HISTORIC. I'M SORRY. IT'S NOT. AND I'VE JUST GOT A COUPLE OF GRAY HAIRS. I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF GRAY HAIRS. THIS IS. I'M NOT BUYING THIS AT ALL. IT'S JUST ANOTHER SLICK SCAM. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE ELSE CAN SPEAK? IF YOU'D CARE TO. FEEL FREE NOT TO, DON'T FEEL THE PRESSURE. OKAY, SEEING. NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS. OH YEAH. COME ON DOWN. GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, WE DECIDED TO MOVE INTO THIS DIRECTION BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THE PROPERTY. THERE'S SORT OF NOTHING LIKE IT IN DENTON. THERE ARE PLACES LIKE IT IN HOUSTON, INCLUDING THE ARCHITECT'S OWN HOME. IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE PACKET, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT WAS SOLD. THAT HOME THAT THIS ONE WAS MODELED ON BY THE FELDMANS. THEY ACTUALLY SAW THE HOUSE THAT THE ARCHITECT BUILT IN THE MAGAZINE IN 1972, AND THEY REACHED OUT TO HIM TO ACTUALLY BUILD A VERSION OF IT HERE. SO IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S IN DENTON, AND IT, IT IT HAS IT'S PART OF A PIONEERING MOVEMENT. I THINK CAMERON MENTIONED THAT CALLED THE WORK LIFE MOVEMENT, AND THAT TOOK OFF LATER ON. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM ABOUT IT IS THAT IT WAS SO THEY SAW THAT IN THE IN THE PICTURES OF THE ARCHITECT'S HOME AND THAT THAT WAS SOLD FOR QUITE A BIT OF MONEY. AND THE INTERIO, AS WELL AS THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE IS ORIGINAL AND, IT WAS SOLD IN 2022. SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IN YOUR PACKET PICTURES OF WHAT OUR HOUSE LOOKS LIKE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A DIFFERENT HOUSE. AND, YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURES OF THE BUILD, YOU CAN SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE, OF THE ORIGINAL OWNERS. WHO ARE I WOULD SAY IT'S ACTUALLY A PLUS THAT IT'S, NOT SUPER, SUPER, SUPER, SUPER OLD BECAUSE

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THEY'RE ACTUALLY ALIVE TO BE ABLE TO APPRECIATE THIS MOMENT AND HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN IT.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL, MAYOR SECONDS. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES SIX ONE TAKES US TO ITEM C, H L HL240003B. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING

[C. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton designating the property located at 1900 Westridge Street, being part of Block 1 Lot 13A of the Highland Ridge Addition, a Historic Landmark under Section 2.9.4 of the Denton Development Code; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Historic Landmark Commission voted [5-0] to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner McAdams and second by Commissioner Treat. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [4-0] to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Ellis and second by Commissioner Cole. (HL24-0003b, Historic Landmark Designation of 1900 Westridge Street, Cameron Robertson)]

AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON DESIGNATING PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1900 WEST RIDGE STREET, BEING PART OF THE BLOCK ONE, LOT 13 A OF HIGHLAND RIDGE ADDITION, A HISTORIC LANDMARK UNDER SECTION 2.9.4 OF THE DENTON DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE, PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY IN THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF. $202,000 FOR VIOLATION THEREOF, PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU, MAYO. GOOD EVENING, CAMERON ROBERTSON, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER THIS IS FOR A HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF 1900 WEST RIDGE STREET IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, THE REQUEST IS EVALUATED FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE DENTON 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT 2019 HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN AND THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE. STAFF'S ANALYSIS SHOWED THAT IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOAL ONE POLICY, 1.3 OF THE 2019 HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN, AS WELL AS GOAL COMMUNITY CHARACTER TWO OF THE DENTON 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. STAFF ALSO LOOKED AT SECTION 2.9.4 B, WHICH LISTS THE 13 CRITERIA OF WHICH 1900 WEST STREET MEETS FOUR AND 11. SO LOOKING AT APPROVAL CRITERIA FOR THE PROPERTY WAS DESIGNED BY MOUNT MILLER ARCHITECTS, OVER 45 YEARS. THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDING AND REMODELING CLOSE TO 300 RESIDENTS, OF WHICH MANY STAND STILL TODAY. ONE OF THEM IS THE FORMER DENTON FIREHOUSE NUMBER FOUR, AS WELL AS THE DENTON UNITARIAN UNIVERSALIST UNITARIAN FELLOWSHIP. THE PROPERTY WAS ALSO CONSTRUCTED BY BERT MOORE. HE WAS A PROMINENT CONTRACTOR DURING THE 1940S THROUGH THE 1970S. HE WAS ALSO KNOWN FOR MANUFACTURING DENT STREET AND MOVING ON TO APPROVAL CRITERIA 11. HORACE AND UILLEAM BROCK. YOU ALL MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THEIR NAMES. THEY PLAYED A HUGE AND PIVOTAL ROLE IN MUCH OF THE SOCIAL, ECONOMIC, ETHNIC, AND HISTORICAL HERITAGE IN THE CITY OF DENTON, AS WELL AS TEXAS JULIAN BROCK, FOR EXAMPLE, SHE DID SERVE HER TENURE AS THE CITY OF DENTON MAYOR, AND THEN HORACE HAD A LONG CAREER WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS, AND THEY'VE ALSO LEFT A LEGACY GIFT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS FOR THE MUSIC PROGRAM. PUBLIC OUTREACH DID OCCUR. WE DID RECEIVE TWO RESPONSES IN FAVOR FOR THE DESIGNATION, SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST FOR THE HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY AT 1900 WEST RIDGE STREET, AS IT DOES, MEET OUR DENTON 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OUR 2019 HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN, AS WELL AS THE CRITERIA OUTLINED IN SECTION 2.9.4 B OF THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE. IN ADDITION, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL, AS WELL AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND I CAN STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF NOT SEEING ANY. COME ON. YEAH. MR. LEE, YOU CAN COME ON UP. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. YEAH. THANK YOU. THAT'S FINE. YES. MY NAME IS EVERYBODY KNOW IS CHARLES LEE. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY, I JUST WANT TO DOUBLE DOWN ON WHAT I SAID IN THE LAST THING. ON TOP OF THIS, IT'S NOT HISTORIC AT ALL. IT'S JUST ANOTHER SCAM, THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF BUILDINGS IN DENTON THAT CAN BE THAT CAN MEET THIS CRITERIA. THOUSANDS WHOLE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO YOU'RE GOING TO EXEMPT THEM ALL. YOU'RE NOT EXEMPT. AND GIVE THEM ALL A 25% ABATEMENT OR IS ONLY SPECIAL PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE KNOW THAT I GOT A BRIBE TO GET THIS ABATEMENT. THIS THING IS A BIG SCAM. THIS HISTORICAL DESIGNATION, AND IT REALLY SHOULD BE ON THE BALLOT, BECAUSE ANYBODY CAN COME UP WITH SOME COCKAMAMIE STORY AND SAY, MY HOUSE IS HISTORIC, AND NOW I GET A 25% ABATEMENT. WHO? WHO GETS TO DECIDE THIS STUFF? JUST YOU GUYS. NOW, THIS IS THIS IS THIS IS NOT GOOD AT ALL. AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS REALLY NEEDS TO BE PUT ON THE BALLOT. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO. SO IT'S STAFF THEN THEY CONSIDER THEN IT GOES TO PLANNING AND ZONING. THERE IS NO GIVING STANDING. IT'S JUST WHETHER ONE COMES UP AND SAYS THEY WANT TO GET THERE. APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT, THANK YOU

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VERY MUCH, SO THEN I WANT TO SAY HOW AWESOME MAYOR BROCK WAS. I THINK SHE'S FANTASTIC. HORSE WAS AMAZING, DID SOME AMAZING THINGS FOR OUR CITY. SO SO WANTED TO GET THAT IN THERE THEN. YEAH QUICKLY, PLEASE. IT'S 9:00. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM MELTZER, I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS. YOU CAN SAY YES, I AGREE IF YOU LIKE, BUT I THINK YOU WILL, FIRST OF ALL, MOUNT, MOUNT MILLER, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S THOUSANDS OF MOUNT MILLERS. I DOUBT IT, BUT THAT'S A DISTINCTIVE LOCAL. OKAY, GO.

YEAH, THAT'S A DISTINCTIVE LOCAL ARCHITECT AND WELL WORTH PRESERVING. AND ON THE BROCK'S JUST A COUPLE POINTS OF INTEREST, EUGENE BROCK WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS OF THE DEAD AND WOMEN'S INTERRACIAL FELLOWSHIP THAT HELPED INTEGRATE DENTON. REALLY USHERED THAT ALONG. SHE WAS THE FIRST DIRECTLY ELECTED WOMAN MAYOR OF DENTON AND THE ROTARY CLUB OF DENTON OVER 100 YEARS OLD. SHE'S A FORMER PRESIDENT AND THE HIGHEST SERVICE AWARD THAT CLUB GIVES IS THE HORACE AND EUGENE BROCK AWARD, SO WELL CHOSEN. OKAY, ANYONE ELSE I MOVE APPROVAL? IS THERE A SECOND? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO? I SECOND HAPPILY AND I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. TAKES US TO

[D. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas regarding a request for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) to allow for a Multi-family Residential use on approximately 2.4 acres of land, generally located on the south side of North Elm Street, approximately 560 feet east of Riney Road in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s Official Zoning Map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing for severability; and establishing an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [4-1] to recommend approval. Motion for approval by Commissioner Pruett and second by Commissioner Cole. (S23-0001a, 3301 N Elm Multifamily, Ashley Ekstedt).]

ITEM D. S230001A, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS REGARDING A REQUEST FOR SPECIFIC USE. PERMIT TO ALLOW A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE ON APPROXIMATELY 2.4 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF NORTH ELM STREET. APPROXIMATELY 560FT EAST OF RONNIE ROAD, AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ASHLEY ECKSTEIN, ASSOCIATE PLANNER. THIS IS S 23 13301 NORTH ELM. MULTI-FAMILY. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW MULTI-FAMILY USE ON APPROXIMATELY 2.4 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF NORTH ELM, EAST OF RINEY ROAD. THE EXISTING ZONING IS OUR SEVEN SHOWN ON THE MAP ON THE LEFT, AND THE FUTURE LAND USE IS NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE SHOWN ON THE MAP ON THE RIGHT. THERE ARE SEVERAL EXISTING SITE CONSTRAINTS THAT DO MAKE THIS SITE DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP. THERE'S A DRAINAGE EASEMENT, SEVERAL PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENTS, AND A SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT. AND ALL OF THOSE EASEMENTS ARE SHOWN HERE IN YELLOW TO BRIEFLY GO OVER THE SITE PLAN. AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. THERE'S TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE OUTLINED ON THE PLAN IN RED, AND THEY CONTAIN 67 RESIDENCES.

THEY ARE THREE STORIES IN APPROXIMATELY 40FT TALL, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF OUR RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. THERE WILL BE 108 VEHICLE PARKING SPACES AND 18 BICYCLE SPACES IN THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE LOCATED TO THE REAR AND SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THERE WILL BE A LEFT TURN LANE CONSTRUCTED AT THE MEDIAN OPENING, AND THAT'S SHOWN HERE ON THE PLAN IN PURPLE. AND THERE WILL BE ONE FULL ACCESS DRIVE WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE PLAN IN BLUE, AND THEN A SECOND EMERGENCY ONLY ACCESS, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE ON THE PLAN IN GREEN, STREET TREES AREN'T PERMITTED IN THE TEXDOT RIGHT OF WAY OR WITHIN THE 20 FOOT REQUIRED EASEMENT ALONG THE FRONTAGE, BUT THEY HAVE PLACED THOSE STREET TREES BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE STREET. THERE'S ALSO A LITTLE TRAIL THROUGHOUT THE OPEN SPACE WITH SEATING AND A BUTTERFLY GARDEN. AND THERE IS ALSO A FIRE PIT. THERE IS A EIGHT FOOT WOOD SCREENING FENCE ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE OUTSIDE OF ANY EASEMENTS, AND ADDITIONAL SCREENING IS AS PERMITTED WITHIN THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT, INCLUDING LARGE SHRUBBERY AND THEN ADDITIONAL LARGE SHRUBBERY AND TREES WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. IT DOES MEET THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. IT'S NOT EXPECTED TO GENERATE ADVERSE IMPACTS IN THE UTILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE A E PROPERTY. PUBLIC OUTREACH WAS DONE. WE DID RECEIVE ONE RESPONSE WITHIN 200FT FROM ONE PROPERTY OWNER OF THREE PARCELS, WHICH WAS APPROXIMATELY 26%, AND THOSE ARE SHOWN HERE ON THE PLAN IN GREEN. THE APPLICANT ALSO HELD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IN DECEMBER OF 2023. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS IN THE AGENDA MATERIALS AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR ONE.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE FOR QUESTIONS. YEAH.

IS THAT, STEPHANIE, DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION? YOU WANT TO SPEAK BEFORE? OKAY. GOT IT.

WELL, I'LL DIVE RIGHT IN. DO YOU HAVE THE SLIDE THAT I ASKED FOR? THAT'S THAT? YEAH. COULD YOU PULL THAT UP, PLEASE? AND THANK YOU. OKAY. HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN HAVE A BUILDING ON

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TOP OF THE. IS THAT AN EASEMENT? RIGHT. THE RED OR. NO, THAT. SO THAT IS THE DRIVE AISLE. SO THAT'S WHERE THE DRIVEWAY WILL BE. ALL OF THE EASEMENTS ARE THE YELLOW PORTION OKAY. SO BUT THE SO THE IS IT GO THROUGH THE BUILDING. IS IT. HOW DOES THAT. SO YEAH THE DRIVEWAY IN DOES GO THROUGH THE BUILDING OKAY. SO IS IT LIKE COVERED OR OPEN IN TWO BUILDINGS. I HAVE A PHOTO OF A RENDERING THAT WILL PROBABLY SHOW IT BETTER ON THIS SLIDE, SO HERE THIS ONE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ENTRANCE IS THROUGH THE BUILDING. OKAY. AND THEN HELP ME ON YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY ON TOP OF THE EASEMENT. AND ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE, THE STATE DRAINAGE EASEMENT. YES. AND THAT THEY RECEIVED AN ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT FROM TXDOT PERMITTING THOSE ENCROACHMENTS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE PLAN. SO RIGHT NOW THAT IS AN OPEN CHANNEL, IT WILL MOVE TO AN UNDERGROUND BOX PIPE.

SO THERE WON'T BE ANY IMPROVEMENTS ABOVE GROUND FOR THE DRAINAGE. IT WILL ALL BE BELOW GROUND. SO TEXDOT DID APPROVE THE FLATWORK AND LANDSCAPING WITHIN THEIR DRAINAGE EASEMENT. AND YOU ALREADY CHECKED ON THIS, BUT JUST TO CONFIRM, NO ESR ISSUES WITH THAT, NO ISSUES, NO. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY, ANYONE ELSE QUESTION REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. WHAT, REFRESH MY MEMORY ON THE. AND AGAIN, I'LL START WITH THIS. I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR BRINGING UP THOSE POINTS, I HAD SIMILAR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, REFRESH MY MEMORY ON THE SETBACKS ON ESPECIALLY ON BUILDING B, AND THERE'S A FIVE FOOT SETBACK ON FROM THE SIDE YARD. SO THE, THE PROPERTY LINE IS HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EASEMENT THAT EASEMENT IS ON THEIR PROPERTY. AND, AND WE HAVE A FIVE FOOT SETBACK BETWEEN OUR CITY EASEMENT AND, AND THAT BUILDING. NO, THERE'S NO SETBACK FROM THE EASEMENT. THE SETBACK IS FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THEY JUST CAN'T PLACE THE BUILDING IN THE EASEMENT OR ANY TREES. AND THEY HAVE NOT DONE THAT. AND SIMILAR QUESTION TO THE MAYOR'S, THE PLAN IS TO BURY BOX CULVERTS STARTING AT THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE SOUTHWEST AND GOING TO THE STREET AND TYING INTO THE STORM DRAIN SYSTEM. YEAH, THEY'RE THEY'RE SO THEY'RE GOING TO CONNECT TO THE EXISTING STORM SEWER FACILITIES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND THEN THERE'S A CITY OWNED DETENTION POND TO THE SOUTH. SO THEY WILL CONNECT THOSE. AND LAST QUESTION, I THINK DUE SOUTH IS ZONED, RESIDENTIAL. BUT THE BULK OF THE SOUTHWEST RESIDENTIAL AREA. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. IT'S SORT OF THE PUBLIC FACILITY OF OUR PARK REGION. OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO SEE.

THANK YOU. SURE. OKAY. WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER THAT'S SIGNED UP. MR. LEE, IF YOU CAN COME ON UP, GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. YEAH, I'M AGAINST THIS, TOO, BECAUSE, I'M TIRED OF ALL THESE APARTMENT BUILDINGS GOING UP, YOU GUYS JUST KEEP SPENDING UP THE TAX BILL WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO PUSH PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND THEN NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO PUSH THEM INTO THESE, INTO THESE TENEMENTS THAT YOU'RE BUILDING HERE, IT'S ONE THING LIKE, LIKE, LIKE I GREW UP IN A MULTI-FAMILY HOUSE. MY FATHER, WE IT WAS A TWO FAMILY HOUSE MY FATHER RENTED UPSTAIRS. HE HAD DOWNSTAIRS. I UNDERSTAND, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE MAYBE A FOUR UNIT BUILDING YOU LIVE IN ONE AND YOU RENT OUT THE OTHER THREE. YOU WANT TO DO SOME ENTREPRENEURIAL ISM, THAT'S FINE. BUT WHEN YOU START BUILDING THESE BUILDINGS THAT ARE 500 UNITS AND THEN YOU JUST GOT ONE CORPORATE, CORPORATE OWNER THAT LIVES OUT OF STATE IN BEVERLY HILLS SOMEWHERE, NOW THAT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE NOW WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW WE'RE GOING TO SERFDOM. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE COUNTRY WAS BUILT BECAUSE OF THE SORT OF COMMON MAN AND WOMAN CAN OWN PROPERTY TO HAVE THEIR OWN LITTLE HOUSE ON THEIR OWN LITTLE LAND. THAT'S ONE THING. BUT NOW WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO THAT. WE'RE ALL TRYING TO BE TRYING TO CROWD PEOPLE INTO THESE BUILDINGS, AND THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO NOBODY'S GOING TO OWN ANYTHING, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY REPRESENTATION, AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE A SMALL GROUP OF ELITE THAT'S GOING TO CONTROL EVERYTHING. THIS IS NOT GOOD ANYMORE. THIS IS WHERE THIS IS ABSOLUTELY DESTROYING THE COUNTRY BECAUSE THERE'S NOBODY OWNING ANYTHING ANYMORE. IT'S SERFDOM. WE'RE GOING BACK TO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. THAT'S WHAT IT IS, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A VOICE. THERE'S ALWAYS SOME KIND OF SPECIAL INTEREST THAT'S ALWAYS PAYING OFF SOMETHING THAT GOT SOMEBODY'S HAND IN SOMEBODY'S POCKET. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THIS A PUBLIC HEARING? ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPEAK? YOU CAN PLEASE. SEEING NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. I'LL SECOND HAVE A

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MOTION AND A SECOND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. I JUST CAN'T GET BEHIND THE. THE INTENSITY OF USES AND THE IMPACTS ON THE ALIGNMENT WITH THE VARIOUS SORTS OF STORMWATER RUNOFF AND THE ISSUE WITH THE TREE. SO I'M GOING TO BE VOTING NO. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I'LL SAY BEFORE THE PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU, STAFF FOR BEING RESPONSIVE TO MY QUESTION OR MY REQUESTS. REALLY GREAT JOB ON ON KIND OF BRINGING DOWN THE INFORMATION THAT WE WERE SEEING ON THE SLIDE. I DID HAVE HESITANCY BEING ON ON IT'S A TXDOT ROAD. BUT IF TECH STARTS ON BOARD OKAY, GET PAST THAT. THE EASEMENT ISSUE WAS A CONCERN FOR ME. SEEING HOW YOU ADDRESSED THAT. GREAT, AND THEN UNDERSTANDING THERE'S NO ESSAY ISSUE. AND ULTIMATELY I HOPE IT PUTS PRESSURE ON THE APARTMENTS ACROSS THE STREET. RIGHT. THOSE OLDER THOSE ARE LEGACY. THOSE ARE NOT EFFICIENT. AND WE NEED TO INCREASE PRESSURE ON SOME OF THOSE OLDER UNITS TO UPGRADE. SO, IN THIS AREA AND THEN ALSO IT'S NEXT TO THE TO THE DOG PARK. AND I THINK THAT'S AND THE PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE JUST DOWN THE CORNER, YOU KNOW. SO I JUST THINK IT'S A IT'S A GOOD AREA FOR THAT NORTH LAKE PARKS. BUT SO I WAS I WAS LEANING NO BEFORE WE GOT HERE. BUT BUT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT BASED ON THE INFORMATION I WAS PROVIDED. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT CLARIFICATION. SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE? GREAT. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES 5 TO 2 TAKES US TO ITEM.

[E. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, approving an Amending Specific Use Permit to allow for a Multi-family Dwelling Use on approximately 53.407 acres of land, generally located at the southeast corner of the intersection of Locust Street and Loop 288, in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s Official Zoning Map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing for severability; and establishing an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [5-1] to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Cole and second by Commissioner Pruett. (ASUP23-0001a, Landmark at Locust Multifamily, Sean Jacobson)]

THAT WAS THAT WAS D. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM E, WHICH IS A S U P 230001A. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, APPROVING AND AMENDING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR MULTIFAMILY DWELLING USE ON APPROXIMATELY 53.407 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF LOCUST STREET AND LOOP 28. GOOD EVENING, CHAIR, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL SEAN JACOBSEN, ASSOCIATE PLANNER HERE TO PRESENT ASUP 23 001, A LANDMARK AT LOCUST. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN AMENDMENT TO AN APPROVED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW CHANGES TO A PLAN FOR AN APPROVED MULTIFAMILY USE ON AN APPROXIMATELY 53 ACRE PROPERTY AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LOOP TWO, 88 AND NORTH LOCUST STREET.

TO GIVE YOU ALL A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, BACK IN NOVEMBER 2022, COUNCIL DID APPROVE AN SCP FOR A MULTIFAMILY USE ON THIS SITE. 660 UNITS, 24 BUILDINGS AND LEAVING A REMAINDER AREA FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. AFTER THAT APPROVAL, THE OWNER OF THE REMAINDER AREA, AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPER CAME BACK TO US AND EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERN THAT THAT REMAINDER AREA DID NOT ALLOW THE DEPTH NEEDED FOR RETAIL PAD SITES. THEY WANTED TO INCREASE THAT AREA TO MAKE IT MORE VIABLE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. NEXT TO THE MULTIFAMILY. SO THEY PROPOSED SOME CHANGES. THOSE CHANGES WERE MORE THAN WHAT STAFF COULD APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVELY. AND SO WE'RE BRINGING THEIR AMENDED PLAN BACK TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO SEE IF THAT MEETS WITH OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. THE PRIMARY CHANGES AT ONE, THE PROPOSED STREET EXTENSIONS ARE BEING CONVERTED FROM PUBLICLY OWNED, PUBLICLY MAINTAINED STREETS TO PRIVATELY OWNED, PRIVATELY MAINTAINED DRIVE AISLES IN PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENTS SO THOSE WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THAT ALLOWS NARROWING THE PAVEMENT BY ABOUT SIX FEET PROVIDES SOME ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR THAT REMAINDER AREA. NEXT MAJOR CHANGE IS SHIFTING THAT DRIVE OF ABOUT 50FT TO THE EAST AGAIN CREATING SOME ADDITIONAL DEVELOPABLE AREA FOR THAT REMAINDER COMMERCIAL AREA.

BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE OF JUST KIND OF THE CHANGE TO THE MULTIFAMILY AREA, THE DEVELOPABLE AREA, THERE WERE NECESSARY CHANGES WITHIN THE SITE TO THE LANDSCAPING AND LAYOUT. SO THAT'S A PART OF THIS. AND THEN THERE WERE SOME CHANGES TO THE DESIGN OF THE ENTRY. AND ACCESS TO MAKE THAT MORE FUNCTIONAL. AND SAFER. SO THE OVERALL RESULT ABOUT 3.2 ADDITIONAL ACRES FOR THAT REMAINDER AREA FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

SO OVERALL SITE IMPACTS, YOU'LL SEE THERE INCREASED AREA FOR THAT COMMERCIAL. THERE IS ACTUALLY A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF APARTMENT UNITS AND THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS FOR THAT. THERE IS ACTUALLY AN INCREASE IN TREE CANOPY AS WELL AS AN INCREASE IN USABLE OPEN SPACE. AND VERY IMPORTANTLY, THE BUFFERS APPROVED BETWEEN THE MULTIFAMILY USE AND THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY ARE UNCHANGED. SO STILL THE SAME STRONG BUFFERS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY APPROVED.

SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL USE APPROVED FOR THE ACP. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND WITH THE PURPOSE OF THE ZONING DISTRICT. AND IT DOES MAINTAIN THOSE PROTECTIONS TO MITIGATE ANY IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING

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PROPERTIES, ROADWAYS OR ENVIRONMENT. SO OVERALL, THIS DOES MEET OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. WE DID OUR STANDARD PUBLIC OUTREACH AND RECEIVED SEVEN RESPONSES IN OPPOSITION. THE DEVELOPER DID HOLD TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, AND HE DOES HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. HE'S HERE WITH THAT. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID VOTE FIVE ONE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS FOR THIS AMENDMENT TO THE APPROVED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. THOSE CONDITIONS WOULD REPEAL AND REPLACE THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ONES, AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS AMENDMENT TO THE APPROVED SCP. THAT IS MY PRESENTATION AND I'M HAPPY TO STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. GOT IT REAL QUICK, SEAN, CAN YOU? BECAUSE AGAIN, HERE I'M LEANING NO, BUT I'M LISTENING. RIGHT.

AND SO AND THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION THAT'S HELPFUL THAT THAT IT ALREADY HAS COME BY HERE ONCE. AND SO CONSISTENCY MATTERS. BUT TRADITIONALLY PLANNING WOULD SAY HIGHER INTENSITY USE TO A LESS INTENSE USE ON A SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY LIKE THIS 50 PLUS ACRES. YOU COULD STEP THAT DOWN RIGHT AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE CENTER OF TOWN. BUT WE'RE NOT. AND CAN YOU JUST TALK ME THROUGH THE PRINCIPLES OF DECREASING USE AS WE GET FURTHER IN? NORMALLY ON A REGULAR SIZED PIECE OF PROPERTY? OKAY, BUT 50 ACRES, YOU HAVE ROOM TO LIKE A EXAMPLE WALMART BY TO THE WEST OF, YOU KNOW, EAST OF WALMART ON THE ON ON THE ROAD IT'S MULTIFAMILY BACK TOWARDS THE YOU KNOW AS YOU MOVE WEST TOWARDS WALMART. IT'S TOWNHOMES. RIGHT. THAT'S KIND OF A DECREASE IN USE. BUT CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT THAT PROCESS OF STEPPING DOWN USE IN THIS AREA. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, FIRST OF ALL, THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANTLY SIZED DME EASEMENT BETWEEN EVEN WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT BEGINS AND THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. SO WE HAVE A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT GAP THERE THAT IS GOING TO BE ESSENTIALLY ONLY GREEN SPACE TREES AND A TRAIL THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL BE BUILDING THROUGH THAT AREA. THAT WILL BE FOR THE PUBLIC USE. SO RIGHT AWAY WE'RE SEPARATING SIGNIFICANTLY THOSE SINGLE FAMILY USES FROM THE MULTIFAMIL.

IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE SUBURBAN CORRIDOR ZONING DISTRICT IS GENERALLY MEDIUM TO HIGHER DENSITY USES. THE OTHER OPTION GENERALLY IS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL HERE. AND THAT IS REALLY BEING KEPT ALONG THAT FRONTAGE ROAD WHERE THAT WILL BE MORE VIABLE. SO WE'RE NOT PUTTING, SAY, THE BACK OF LOADING DOCKS RIGHT UP AGAINST SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. INSTEAD, WE'RE GETTING POTENTIALLY REAR ENTRANCE, BUT MOSTLY FENCING BUFFERING AND THOSE PROTECTIONS. SO WHAT THEY'RE SEEING IS NOT POTENTIALLY DELIVERIES FROM TRUCKS COMING INTO THE BACK OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS RIGHT UP AGAINST THEM. SO THE IDEA THERE IS WHEN WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE HIGHER DENSITY USES, WE'RE PUTTING THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SIMILAR. SO RESIDENTIAL USE, ALBEIT MULTIFAMILY ADJACENT TO THOSE SINGLE FAMILY USES RATHER THAN PUTTING COMMERCIAL RIGHT UP AGAINST THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. REPRESENTATIVE. FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO YEAH, THIS IS THE ONE THAT CAME BEFORE US. AND ACTUALLY, IT'S WEIRD TO SEE ONE COME BACK TO US WITH IMPROVEMENTS, I THINK IT HAS MORE. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK YOUR PRESENTATION SAID IT HAS MORE PERMEABLE SURFACE AREA, MORE GREEN SPACE. AND YET AT THE SAME TIME, ADDITIONAL RETAIL SPACE FLEXIBILITY. AND I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU MANAGED. I GUESS IT'S THE 40 OR SO UNITS, I GUESS MY QUESTION THEN, GIVEN THOSE SMALL CHANGES THAT SEEM TO BE MOSTLY IMPROVEMENTS AND GIVEN THE PRIOR APPROVAL, CAN YOU OR THE REPRESENTATIVE, TALK ABOUT THE, THE ANY ANY OUTREACH YOU DID AND HOW THE DELTA BETWEEN THE PREVIOUS OUTREACH AND THE CURRENT OUTREACH AND HOW THAT WENT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. IF I COULD, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND DOES HAVE A SLIDE OR TWO ON THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. SO IF POSSIBLE, I'D LIKE TO BRING HIM UP. JUST GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO BRIEFLY SHARE THAT. YES. YEAH, THAT'LL BE GOOD BECAUSE IT MAY INFORM OTHER QUESTIONS. SO YEAH THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU SIR. AND IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE. 2010 TEN TEN MINUTES, BRIAN BRIDGEWATER WITH BARNHART CONSULTING WITH THE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT. WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED FROM THE GET GO THROUGH THE ORIGINAL CASE. SO BEFORE WE HAD A ZONING CONSULTANT, TREY JACOBSON, AND I WAS PART OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY HELD. LET'S SEE. GET TO THESE SLIDES HERE. LET ME JUST I'M GOING TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. SO THE VERY FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS BACK IN JULY 2021, WE MET WITH THE RESIDENTS. WE HELPED THEM UNDERSTAND THE CURRENT ZONING. YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND THAT THE COMMERCIAL COULD BE BUILT UP TO THE DME EASEMENT, WE WORKED WITH THEM. WE LISTENED TO THEM, ORIGINALLY, THE CITY WANTED US TO EXTEND A ROAD INTO THE. OH, GOODNESS. I'M LOSING MY ROAD NAMES HERE, THERE'S AN EXISTING ON THE EAST SIDE OF OUR

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PROJECT. THERE'S AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD ROAD, THE CITY'S CRITERIA REQUIRED US TO EXTEND THAT. THE RESIDENTS WERE PRETTY ADAMANT ABOUT NOT HAVING THAT. SO WHAT WE AGREED TO IS FOR FIRE ACCESS. WE PUT IT, WE MADE A DRIVE, BUT WE'RE PUTTING A FENCE THERE TO PREVENT COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC FROM ENTERING. BUT ALLOWING THE RESIDENTS TO WALK TO THE COMMERCIAL, WE HELPED THE RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND THAT THE SUP GAVE THEM CERTAINTY ON WHAT WE WERE PUTTING THEIR, ARCHITECTURAL LANDSCAPE, NUMBER OF UNITS. ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND IT'S A HIGHLY DETAILED, SUP THAT WE ORIGINALLY DID. AND THEN IT TOOK US ALMOST A YEAR TO GET THIS REVISED SUP, COMPLETED. SO WE WENT THROUGH MANY, MANY ROUNDS OF REVIEW WITH SEAN, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, THE LAST ONE WE HELD IN PERSON, THERE WERE FOUR RESIDENTS THAT SHOWED UP. THEIR ONLY REAL CONCERNS WERE JUST STRICTLY TRAFFIC ON LOCUST. BUT WE HELPED THEM UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE DONE THE TIA. WE'RE ACTUALLY DECREASING THE NUMBER OF UNITS. WE'RE STILL PLANNING TO PUT IN THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT LOCUST AND BEALE, SO WE'VE WE'VE WORKED WITH TXDOT.

WE'VE GOT CITY STAFF HAVE PROBABLY SEEN THIS THING THROUGH 6 OR 8 DIFFERENT SUBMITTALS. SO AND SO JUST IF I MIGHT REALLY BRIEFLY FOLLOW UP THAT, THAT, THAT TRAFFIC COMPONENT AND THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU GOT FROM THE 20 OR SO NEIGHBORS IN THE FIRST MEETING IN THE IN LAST YEAR AND THEN NOW THE FOUR NEIGHBORS THAT YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY CHANGING ANY OF THOSE TRAFFIC PATTERNS BETWEEN THE PREVIOUS PLAN AND THIS PLAN, CORRECT? NO, SIR. ACTUALLY WE'RE ACTUALLY REDUCING UNITS. SO THE IN THEORY THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE LESS TRAFFIC. NO I APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU TOOK TO EDUCATE US. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. SEAN WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE NO VOTE IN PNC GIVEN THE REASON THAT WAS EXPRESSED WAS A CONCERN ABOUT NOT HAVING REACHED BACK OUT TO THE RESIDENTS WHO HAD EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. AND THAT WAS WHY WE WORKED WITH BRIAN'S TEAM. THEY SET UP ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, AND THEY DID ALSO REACH OUT DIRECTLY TO ALL OF THOSE RESIDENTS WHO HAD WRITTEN IN AND INVITED THEM TO ATTEND THAT MEETING, GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE ANY CONCERNS THEY HAD. THANK YOU FOR THE INCREASED NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH, THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM MELTZER, I APOLOGIZE IF YOU SAID THIS AND I MISSED IT, BUT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE GIFT HORSE IN THE MOUTH. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REDUCING UNITS AND REDUCING INCREASING GREEN SPACE. WHAT WHAT IS COMPELLING YOU TO DO THAT? AND YOU PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO REDOING THE SUP TO DO THAT. SO WHAT'S THE DRIVER? WELL SEAN'S PRETTY CONVINCING. SO NO, WE REALLY WANTED TO PUT A GOOD CASE FORWARD, WE KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK, BUT THE WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY IS GOING AWAY. IT ALLOWED SOME ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE. SO THE PRIVATE ROADS NOW. SO THEY'RE PRIVATELY MAINTAINED DRIVES. YOU KNOW, REALLY JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THIS THING GOES THROUGH WITHOUT ANY OPPOSITION. WE WANTED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT EXTRA FROSTING TO IT.

JUST TO MAKE IT BETTER. SO. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, ONE THING. CAN YOU JUST SHOW ME WITH THE MOUSE? WHERE'S THE RETAIL GOING? SO LET ME GO.

ACTUALLY, THERE'S A GOOD SLIDE HERE, SO THIS IS A SLIDE ON THE LEFT. THAT'S THE EXISTING LAYOUT WHERE THE GREEN IS THE RETAIL. ON THE RIGHT IS THE NEW LAYOUT. SO ALL THAT WE DID WAS SHIFT THAT THAT CIRCLE DRIVE. WE SHIFTED IT BACK 50FT TO ALLOW MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR RETAIL. SO IT ALLOWS THEM TO ATTRACT A GREATER NUMBER OF USERS. SO THAT'S THAT'S PRIMARILY WHAT CHANGED. BUT THE RETAIL SURROUNDS ALL THE MULTIFAMILY. AND THEN THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL IS TO THE EAST. GOT IT. OKAY GOT IT. OKAY I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING. OH, JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND. EVERYTHING DECREASES NUMBER OF BUILDINGS, NUMBER OF UNITS. BUT THEN YOU INCREASE PARKING. THE IT HAS TO DO WITH THE WAY THE DENTON HAS THEIR PARKING CRITERIA IS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. SO THEY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF TWO AND THREE BEDROOMS A LITTLE BIT AND REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ONE BEDROOMS. SO IT'S A UNIQUE COUNT TO THE METROPLEX. GOT IT. OKAY.

THANK YOU ALL RIGHT. APPRECIATE IT. THIS IS THIS AGAIN? NO YES. NO PAUL, IS THIS YOU AGAIN. NO.

OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM, DISTRICT FIVE FOR THIS TYPE OF RETAIL, DO YOU ANTICIPATE HERE, THE MULTIFAMILY I REPRESENT THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER. THE ORIGINAL LANDOWNER. THE

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HAZLEWOODS HAVE RETAINED THAT TRACK. SO I BELIEVE DALTON DALTON ALLEN IS THE BROKER. SO HE'S HE'S TAKING IT TO MARKET. SO I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO HIM. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A FEEL FOR, FOR THE KIND OF THE KIND OF RETAIL RESTAURANTS, SHOPS BIG BOX. SO THE EXTRA DEPTH A LOT OF THE A LOT OF THE NEW RETAIL IS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER WITH ALL THE TAKEOUT. SO WHETHER IT'S A QSR OR A STRIP RETAIL OR A PHARMACY, THE ADDITIONAL DEPTH GIVES THEM MORE FLEXIBILITY TO CAPTURE MORE OF THE USERS OUT THERE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DALTON I SAID HELLO. HE'S AWESOME. HE'S A GOOD DUDE. OKAY ONE SPEAKER, CHARLES LEE, GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, CHARLES LEE, I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS SHORT. I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO KEEP THE WHOLE THREE MINUTES. I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME THING REPEATING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. LIKE I'M SAYING, IF IT'S LIKE. LIKE YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE FOUR, FOUR UNITS AND IT'S ONE OWNER, THAT'S ONE THING. OR MAYBE IT'S 20 TO 1. THAT'S ANOTHER THING, 60 TO 1 THAT'S STARTING TO GO NOW, GETTING KIND OF UP THERE. BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT 660 TO 1 AND YOU DON'T SEE THE DISPARITY OF THAT, WHILE PROPERTY TAXES IS GOING UP AND PEOPLE ARE BEING DRIVEN FROM THEIR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO GO LIVE IN ONE OF THESE THINGS AND I'M SORRY IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND AND SEE THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS REALLY NOTHING I CAN SAY. AND I'M TOTALLY, ABSOLUTELY AGAINST IT. OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I'LL MOVE APPROVAL REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. YEAH. THEY MADE IT BETTER THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE I APPROVED, SO I'M GOING TO APPROVE THIS ONE TOO. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. TAKES US TO ITEM F, WHICH WILL BE IS NOT.

[F. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas amending the Denton Development Code, regarding short-term rental use regulations and definitions, specifically amendments to Table 5.2-A- Table of Allowed Uses, Subsection 5.3.1 Use-Specific Standards - Generally, Subsection 5.3.5: Commercial Use-Specific Standards, Table 7.9-I Parking, and Section 9.2: Definitions; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [5-0] to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval was made by Commissioner Villareal and seconded by Commissioner Pruett. THIS ITEM HAS BEEN PLACED ON THE AGENDA DUE TO A TIE VOTE AT THE JULY 23, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN ON THIS ITEM UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER 24, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. (DCA23-0002j, Short-Term Rentals, Angie Manglaris)]

WE'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR TODAY, BUT JUST TO UPDATE YOU. SO THE WORK SESSION WILL HAVE A WORK SESSION THAT WILL BE ON THIS SHORT TERM RENTALS. WORK SESSION WILL BE ON TEN, 15 1015. WORK SESSION FOR SHORT TERM SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO PLUG THAT INTO YOUR PALM PILOT. THEN WE'LL HAVE

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance approving an economic development agreement under Chapter 380 of the Local Government Code to promote economic development and to stimulate business activity and economic growth of the City of Denton between the City of Denton and Southwire Company, LLC regarding the expansion of operations and increase in the number of jobs in the City of Denton; authorizing the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date. The Economic Development Partnership Board recommends approval (8-0).]

A VOTE ON OCTOBER 22ND THAT TAKES US TO ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. ITEM A ID 241614.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT UNDER CHAPTER 380 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TO STIMULATE BUSINESS ACTIVITY AND ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THE CITY OF DENTON. GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL, BRITTANY SOTELO, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR I'M HERE TODAY TO PRESENT SOUTHWIRE COMPANIES INCENTIVE PROPOSAL. THEY INITIALLY REACHED OUT TO US BACK IN FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR, INITIALLY INQUIRING ABOUT INCENTIVES, AND IT WASN'T UNTIL THE FALL THAT AN OFFICIAL INCENTIVE PROPOSAL WAS SENT OVER. AN NDA WAS SIGNED. THEIR PROJECT CAME BACK ONLINE IN FEBRUARY. MARCH. TIME FRAME OF THIS YEAR, ALONG THE SAME TIME THAT I JOINED THE CITY. AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM THROUGH THE INCENTIVE PROCESS SINCE THEN. AND WE NEED TO GO TO MY PRESENTATION. DO I NEED TO OPEN UP MYSELF? I THINK SO, I THINK YOU GOT TO CLOSE THAT. HE IS. I SENT IT TO, OKAY. IT'S NOT ON THERE. THERE IT IS. YEP OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE OBJECTIVE OF TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS TO PRESENT SOUTHWEST COMPANY PROPOSED EXPANSION AND CONSIDER A CHAPTER 380 INCENTIVE AGREEMENT. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMPANY. THEY ARE THE NORTH AMERICA'S LEADING MANUFACTURER OF WIRE AND CABLE USED IN THE DISTRIBUTION AND TRANSMISSION OF ELECTRICITY. THEY ARE HEADQUARTERED IN CARROLLTON, GEORGIA AND FOUNDED IN 1950.

THEY ARE AN EXISTING DENTON COMPANY. BACK IN 2016, THEY ACQUIRED UNITED COPPER INDUSTRIES AND SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED THEIR MANUFACTURING CAPABILITIES. IN TOTAL, THEY HAVE OVER 60 GLOBAL FACILITIES. THEY PROVIDE HALF OF THE CABLE THAT IS UTILIZED TO TRANSMIT AND DISTRIBUTE ELECTRICITY THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES, AND TODAY THEIR REPUTATION FOR QUALITY AND SERVICE CONTINUES TO GROW, WITH MORE THAN 7000 EMPLOYEES GLOBALLY AND 324 EMPLOYEES IN DENTON, THE COMPANY IS EXAMINING MULTIPLE EXPANSION OPPORTUNITIES IN THE US.

CURRENTLY, THEY ARE LOOKING AT TEXAS, KENTUCKY, NORTH CAROLINA AND GEORGIA. THE DENTON FACILITY HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL LOCATION FOR 100,000 SQUARE FOOT EXPANSION, AND THE REQUEST IS TO MODERNIZE THEIR EXISTING FACILITY AND INSTALL MANUFACTURING EQUIPMENT TO INCREASE COPPER WIRE PRODUCTION BY 50 MILLION POUNDS, AND THEY WOULD ALSO THEY'RE ALSO SEEKING TO ADD ADDITIONAL PRODUCTION LINES, THE COMPANY IS CURRENTLY LOCATED AT 2727 GEESLIN ROAD, OFF OF HIGHWAY 380. UNDERNEATH THE RED STAR IS WHERE THEIR CURRENT FACILITY IS LOCATED, AND

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THEIR PROPOSED EXPANSION IS IN THE BLUE SQUARE. AND THEY DO OWN THE PARCEL TO THE WEST OF THEIR FACILITY, AND THEY ARE WORKING WITH TXDOT ON EXPANDING LOOP 288 CONNECTOR THERE, AND SO RECENTLY WE MET WITH TXDOT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THE COMPANY TO ENSURE THAT, THIS WOULD NOT AFFECT THEIR EXPANSION AREA. IN THE INCENTIVE APPLICATION, THE COMPANY HAS LISTED THAT THEY WILL CREATE $69.7 MILLION IN TOTAL CAPITAL INVESTMENT. IN ACTUALITY, IT'S 85 MILLION. WE DID NOT INCLUDE ANY ITEMS THAT WERE NOT TAXABLE, $15 MILLION IN IMPROVEMENTS, $54.7 MILLION IN BUSINESS, PERSONAL PROPERTY AND 95 NEW JOBS. THE COMPANY WILL HIRE A VARIETY OF POSITIONS, INCLUDING MATERIAL HANDLERS, SUPERVISORS, LEAD OPERATORS AND ENGINEERS OVER THE COURSE OF THREE YEARS, AND THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE OF THE 95 NEW JOBS IS $61,552 ANNUALLY AND $29.59 AN HOUR FOR ALL POSITIONS. 34% OF THE JOBS ARE ABOVE THE COUNTY'S AVERAGE WAGE OF $57,800 ANNUALLY, AND 16% OF THE JOBS ARE ABOVE THE CITY'S GOALS OF INCREASING JOBS THAT PAY OVER $75,000. THE ECONOMIC IMPACT REPORT, ANY INCENTIVE APPLICATION THAT WE RECEIVE, WE SUBMIT THE DATA INTO OUR ECONOMIC MODELING SOFTWARE, AND THIS IS THE REPORT THAT IT GENERATES. AND SO OVER THE COURSE OF TEN YEARS, THE CITY IS PROJECTED TO RECEIVE $1.7 MILLION, IN REVENUES, COUNTY WILL RECEIVE ONE OVER 1 MILLION. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL RECEIVE 2.2 MILLION. AND THE TRANSIT DISTRICT WILL RECEIVE 115,000. 150 58 TOTAL JOBS WILL BE CREATED. THAT INCLUDES SPIN OFF JOBS, 63 SPIN OFF JOBS, AND THOSE ARE BOTH INDUCED AND INDIRECT JOBS THAT ARE CREATED. AND THEN THE SALARIES IS $60,805. AVERAGE WITH $57,938 FOR SPIN OFF JOBS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE WILL RECEIVE, GET OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT OVER 2.9 YEARS AND THE PERCENTAGE IS 22.9. RATE OF RETURN. WE ARE PROPOSING A 50% AD VALOREM REBATE ON IMPROVEMENTS IN BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY FOR TEN YEARS.

SO OVER THE COURSE OF TEN YEARS, THIS WILL GENERATE WELL, THE CITY WILL RECEIVE I'M SORRY, THE COMPANY WILL RECEIVE $1,955,098, AND SINCE IT IS A 50% REBATE, THE CITY WILL ALSO RECEIVE 1,955,090 $0.08. THE PROJECT CURRENTLY MEETS BOTH THE CITY OF DENTON AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLANS FOR THE CITY. IT MEETS KEY FOCUS AREA NUMBER THREE FOSTER ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND AFFORDABILITY, FOR OUR DEPARTMENT, IT MEETS GOAL NUMBER ONE ACCELERATE RECOVERY, BUSINESS RETENTION AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. AND FOR GOAL NUMBER TWO, FOSTER GROWTH, HIGHWAY ACCESS, ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND CONSERVATION AND GREEN BUILDING STANDARDS. ON THE THIRD ITEM, THEIR INCENTIVE MATRIX POINT SUMMARY, ANY APPLICATION THAT WE RECEIVE, WE DO EVALUATE IF IT MEETS OUR STRATEGIC GROWTH AREAS, WHICH IS CONNECTIVITY, CREATIVITY, SUSTAINABILITY, I KNOW I'M MISSING ONE CONNECTEDNESS, AND SO THEY DID SCORE. THEY DID RECEIVE THREE POINTS FOR THE TARGETS AND PRIORITY CONSIDERATIONS. THEY RECEIVE 50 POINTS PUBLIC BENEFIT FACTORS. THEY RECEIVE 45 POINTS FOR A TOTAL OF 98, WHICH PUTS US IN THE EXCELLENT CATEGORY. UNDER QUALITATIVE BENEFITS AND QUANTITATIVE THEY WILL CREATE QUALITY JOBS. NEW JOBS TO SUPPORT THE LOCAL ECONOMY, BUSINESS RETENTION. THEY WILL RETAIN 324 TOTAL JOBS, THE AGREEMENT ACTUALLY DOES REQUIRE RETENTION OF A MINIMUM OF 92 JOBS, OR 90% OF THE RESIDENT JOBS HELD DURING THE BASE YEAR, AND SO CURRENTLY THEY EMPLOY 102 EMPLOYEES. AND SO WE FELT THAT IT WAS A FAIR ASSESSMENT OF RETAINING THOSE CITY OF DENTON RESIDENTS. THIS WAS A REQUEST FROM FORMER CITY COUNCILMAN CHRIS WATTS, TO ENSURE THAT THE COMPANY DID HAVE A FOCUS ON HIRING OR HIRING AND KEEPING THE CITY OF DENTON RESIDENTS, AND WE DID AS A NOTE THAT THE CURRENT DENTON LABOR FORCE IS 87,847 PEOPLE, AND THE 2023 CENSUS ESTIMATE IS 158,349 PEOPLE. THEY ARE A CHARITABLE COMPANY. THE COMPANY MANAGES A POWER FUND WHICH PROVIDES SHORT TERM EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE TO US EMPLOYEES. FACED WITH HARDSHIPS IN 2021, THE COMPANY WAS AWARDED 985 GRANTS AND DONATED $1.3 MILLION, THEY ARE A GREAT EDUCATION PARTNER. THEY PARTNER WITH DISD FOR BACK TO SCHOOL EVENTS. NCTC AND THEIR TALENT ACQUISITION TEAM DOES RECRUIT INTERNS FROM UNT, UT, ARLINGTON AND TEXAS A&M, SUSTAINABILITY SOUTHWIRE RECENTLY LAUNCHED A TARGET OF 100% CARBON NET ZERO SCOPE ONE AND EMISSIONS BY 2025,

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AND THEY ARE ACCOMPLISHING THIS BY INCORPORATING RECYCLED MATERIALS AND DEVELOPING MATERIAL REUSE STRATEGIES AND GREEN ENERGY SOURCES, AND BUILDING ENERGY EFFICIENT PARTNERSHIPS ACROSS THE SUPPLY CHAIN. THEY DID ALSO RECEIVE A SCORE OF 72 IN ITS ESG EVALUATION FROM S&P GLOBAL. IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH SMG, ITS ENVIRONMENTAL, SOCIAL AND GOVERNANCE, WHICH IS A TOOL THAT IS USED TO EVALUATE A BUSINESS OR ORGANIZATION'S ENVIRONMENTAL AND SOCIAL IMPACTS, SO THEIR SCORE IS CONSIDERED A REALLY GOOD SCORE. OUR INCENTIVE RECOMMENDATION IS A PERFORMANCE BASED AD VALOREM TAX REBATE AT 50% FOR TEN YEARS FOR THE BUSINESS EXPANSION, THE AGREEMENT WILL INCLUDE AN AD VALOREM VALUATION THRESHOLD, JOB RETENTION THRESHOLD AND CAP ON FUNDING AMOUNT. THE INCENTIVE WOULD ALSO MAKE THE COMPANY ELIGIBLE FOR NOMINATION TO THE STATE TEXAS ENTERPRISE ZONE PROGRAM, WHICH IS A SEPARATE APPROVAL AND COMPLIANCE PROCESS, AND JUST AS A LITTLE REMINDER, ON MAY 8TH, WE DID PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL IN A CLOSED MEETING WHO DID ADVISE US TO MOVE FORWARD. AND ON JUNE 12TH, WE MET WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD, WHO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 8 TO 0, AGAIN, OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO PROVIDE A TEN YEAR PERFORMANCE BASED CHAPTER 380 GRANT TOTAL, NOT TO EXCEED $1,955,100. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX, COUNCILPERSON JESTER, NO QUESTION, BUT I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE METRICS THAT YOU PRESENTED, SHOWING US WHERE IT FITS IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. THE 2.9 YEAR RETURN OF OUR INVESTMENT. SO EVERYTHING ON TOP OF THAT IS GOING TO BE GRAVY. AND WHAT WE'RE GETTING BACK FOR THIS INVESTMENT, THE GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNER AND ALL OF THE RESEARCH FOR THESE GOOD JOBS THAT ARE COMING HERE, WE JUST WANT TO SEE MORE OF IT. AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD, BECAUSE THEIR ENDORSEMENT OF EIGHT ZERO VOTE ALSO MEANS SOMETHING AS DOES ALL OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION VOTES THAT WE DEFINITELY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. SO JUST A QUICK THANK YOU AND GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. THEY ARE A GREAT COMPANY. OKAY, REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. HAPPY TO, TO MOVE APPROVAL ON THIS. THEY ABSOLUTELY REPRESENT THE SPIRIT AND THE VALUES OF THE CITY. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO THIS GETTING SUPPORT REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. YEAH, I WANT TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS WE'VE HEARD FROM FROM BOTH COUNCILORS SO FAR. IT'S A THIS IS A LONG TERM DEBT AND COMPANY THAT'S CONTRIBUTED BACK. IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF VOCATIONAL AND SUSTAINABLE AT THE SAME TIME, AND IT DOESN'T HURT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SERVICE THE BULK OF THE, THE SOUTHERN UNITED STATES, VARIOUS COPPER NEEDS, AND THAT'S THE KIND OF BUSINESS THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE AN ANCHOR BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF DENTON TO PROVIDE THOSE SORT OF BLUE COLLAR JOBS, ESPECIALLY. SO I'M HAPPY TO SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TEAM'S WORK AND ALL THAT, BECAUSE YOU INHERITED THAT, RIGHT? YOU WE YEAH. SO YOU SURE DID. YES. GOOD JOB GETTING UP TO SPEED AND FINISHING THAT OFF. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. TAKES US TO ITEM B, ID 24231. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE

[B. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, adopting the fiscal year 2024-2025 Annual Program of Services (Budget) and the Capital Improvement Program of the City of Denton, Texas, for the fiscal year beginning on October 1, 2024 and ending on September 30, 2025; appropriating funds from available resources; ratifying all prior transfers made under the direction of the City Manager pursuant to Article VIII, Section 8.07 of the City Charter of the City of Denton; requiring City Manager to file a copy of the Budget with the City Secretary, Denton County Clerk and Texas Comptroller, and ensuring the record vote, budget and cover page is posted on the City’s website; and declaring an effective date.]

CITY OF DENTON, ADOPTING A FISCAL 2025 ANNUAL PROGRAM OF SERVICES BUDGET.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I HAVE ONE PRESENTATION TONIGHT THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO COVER ITEMS B THROUGH Q WITH ITEM J THAT WAS PULLED EARLIER, NOT INCLUDED.

OKAY. SO LET ME LET ME GO THROUGH THOSE REALLY QUICK ITEM B ID 24231. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ADOPTING FISCAL YEAR 2024 2025 ANNUAL PROGRAM OF SERVICES BUDGET ALREADY SET THAT ONE. SO SEE ID 24232. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, LEVYING THE AD VALOREM PROPERTY AD VALOREM PROPERTY TAX ON THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS FOR THE YEAR 2024. THEN ITEM D ID 24233. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, APPROVING THE 2024 TAX ROLLS AND THEN ITEM E, ID 24234. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, RATIFYING RATIFYING THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 2025. ANNUAL PROGRAM OF SERVICES BUDGET AND THEN ITEM F ID 24235. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ESTABLISHING THE RATES AND FEES OF WATER. WATER SERVIC. REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 231741. PROVIDING FOR A REPEALER

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ITEM G ID 24236. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ESTABLISHING THE SCHEDULE OF RATES AND FEES OF WATER WASTEWATER SERVICES. REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 221857. ITEM H ID 24237. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ESTABLISHING THE SCHEDULE OF RATES FOR ELECTRIC ELECTRIC SERVICE, PROVIDING FOR REPEALER, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND PROVIDING FOR EFFECTIVE DATE ITEM I ID 24238. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ESTABLISHING THE RATE FOR SOLID WASTE RECYCLING, COLLECTING, COLLECTION, SERVICE ITEM K ID 241733. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS. DENTON ADOPTING A SCHEDULE OF FEES FOR DENTON FIRE DEPARTMENTS SUSPENDING. PARDON ME, SUPERSEDING ALL PRIOR FEES.

ITEM L, ID 241734. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, ADOPTING THE SCHEDULE OF FEES, UPDATING THE EXISTING CHARGE CHARGES OR PARDON ME. YEAH. CHARGES AND FEES FOR USE OF CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND FACILITIES. YOU SAID GOING TO. HOW FAR ARE WE GOING TO GO TO THE END TO THE END. THANK YOU. ITEM M ID 241736. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, ADOPTING THE SCHEDULE OF FEES FOR THE USE OF THE DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER. FIREARMS RANGE OFFICER OFF-DUTY PRIVATE EVENT PAY ITEM N ID 241898. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ESTABLISHING A LEGENDS MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT FUND. ITEM ID 241899. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ESTABLISHING A ESTABLISHING A MEADOWS MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT FUND, COMMITTING REVENUES OF THE CITY TO THE MEADOWS MUNICIPAL UTILITY. ITEM P ID 241900. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ESTABLISHING PUBLIC HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION FUND ITEM AND IN QUEUE ITEM ID 241901.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON ESTABLISHING THE TOURISM PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT FUND. SO THAT'LL TAKE US BACK TO ITEM B. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL JESSICA WILLIAMS CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER GOOD EVENING. WE'RE HERE ON BUDGET ADOPTION NIGHT. IT'S BEEN A GREAT SUMMER. WE'VE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME TOGETHER OVER THIS SUMMER TALKING ABOUT THE CITY'S BUDGET AND TAX RATE. EVERYTHING THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THIS PRESENTATION, YOU'VE ACTUALLY SEEN MULTIPLE TIMES THIS SUMMER. SO THERE ARE NO SURPRISES THIS EVENING AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT AND THANK OUR CITY MANAGER AND OUR ACMS FOR THEIR SUPPORT. AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND THE CITY'S BUDGET TEAM, LED BY MATT HAMILTON. SO AS I MENTIONED, BECAUSE WE'VE GONE OVER THIS QUITE A BIT, I'M GOING TO GO RATHER QUICKLY THAT IN THE TIME. SO JUST STOP ME AT ANY POINT. WE'LL WANT THIS TO BE CONVERSATIONAL OR NOT. IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU. BUT THE OFFER IS THERE. IT STANDS. SO TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSED TAX RATES. THE GENERAL FUND FORECAST, UTILITY FUNDS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND THOSE NEW ACCOUNTING FUNDS THAT WE JUST HEARD RIGHT OFF. SO THE PROPOSED TAX RATE IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS 0.58542 $0.00 PER $100 OF ASSESSED VALUATION. THAT TAX RATE IS BELOW THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE. AS A REMINDER, THAT VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS THE RATE AT WHICH, IF WE WERE TO EXCEED, WOULD TRIGGER AN AUTOMATIC ELECTION. WE WILL NOT EXCEED THAT RATE. THAT RATE IS 0.604748, AND THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, THE RATE THAT COLLECTS APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE ON THE TAX ROLLS FOR PROPERTIES IN BOTH YEARS IS 0.531785. AGAIN, THE PROPOSED RATE IS 0.585420. FOR SOME HISTORY, WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER A CHART. YOU'VE SEEN THAT GIVES YOU AN AVERAGE TAX BILL FOR THE CITY OF DENTON. FOR RESIDENTS JUST LOOKING AT THE CITY'S PORTION OF THE TAX BILL FROM 2019 TO 2025, WE DO SEE AN INCREASE IN THE AVERAGE TAX BILL GOING INTO THE 2425 FISCAL YEAR.

WE ALSO SEE A CONSIDERABLE INCREASE IN THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE. SO JUST AS A REMINDER AS THAT VALUE INCREASES, THAT TRIGGERS SOME OF THAT INCREASE ON THE BILL ITSELF, GOING FROM 344,000 TO 379. THIS BREAKS DOWN TO ABOUT $24.25 PER MONTH OF AN INCREASE FOR A HOMEOWNER WITH A

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HOME IN THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE RANGE, THAT'S $291 A YEAR. BREAKING THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, LOOKING AT THE TAX RATE IMPACT, WE SEE THE RATE HAD AN INCREASE OF 0.24738. WE'VE TALKED AT LENGTH THAT A PORTION OF THAT IS DUE TO THE INCREASE IN INS. THAT'S THE REQUIRED INCREASE BY THE STATE FOR DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS AND A DECREASE OF $0.02 IN THE O&M RATE. WE'VE ALSO TALKED QUITE A BIT, AND THE PUB HAS DISCUSSED THE PROPOSED INCREASES TO THE UTILITIES. THAT IS 3% TO WATER, 11% TO WASTEWATER, ONE AND A HALF TO ELECTRIC BASS RATES AND ONE AND A HALF TO SOLID WASTE. THAT'S AN AVERAGE INCREASE OF ABOUT $84 IN TOTAL. THE 2425 PER MONTH FOR THE TAX RATE AND THEN THE APPROXIMATELY $7 PER MONTH ON THE UTILITY BILL, WOULD BRING A TOTAL INCREASE OF 3150. THE GENERAL FUND HAS REMAINED THE SAME SINCE THE LAST TIME THAT YOU SAW THIS PRESENTATION. IT'S AT 207.5 MILLION. WE'VE SEEN INCREASES IN THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET, AS WE'VE SEEN INCREASES IN THE VALUATION. WE'VE SEEN SOME INCREASES PROJECTED SLIGHTLY IN SALES TAX THAT WE'VE TALKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT. WE'VE ALSO HAD EXPENSE INCREASES IN A 3% COLA FOR EMPLOYEES, A POSSIBLE 2.5% MERIT, AND THE CITY DID ABSORB THE INCREASES TO HEALTH CARE COSTS FOR EMPLOYEES GOING INTO THIS YEAR. THIS IS A LIST OF THE PROPOSED GENERAL FUND SUPPLEMENTALS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS PROPOSED BUDGET. THIS IS THE SAME LIST OF ITEMS THAT WE WENT OVER IN DETAIL AT THE WORKSHOP ON AUGUST 10TH. I BELIEVE THAT WAS SO THIS IS THAT EXACT SAME SLIDE JUST SHOWING YOU WHAT THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION FOR FULL COST WAS AND THEN WHAT THE NET COST IS. IF THERE WAS ANY OFFSETTING REVENUE FOR ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, THE LIST CONTINUES ON THIS PAGE FOR A FULL RECOMMENDED FULL COST OF 4.9 AND A RECOMMENDED NET COST OF 4.7. ALSO INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET ARE. THE CITY COUNCIL REQUESTED SUPPLEMENTALS FOR THE GENERAL FUND. THESE ARE, AS THEY WERE PROPOSED. THEY ARE LISTED HERE IN TOTAL, 183,000. IN THE UTILITY FUNDS, WE HAVE A TOTAL BUDGET IN DME OF 393.9 MILLION.

WE HAVE SEEN SOME DECREASE IN DME FROM THEIR ORIGINAL REQUESTED BUDGET TO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND THAT WAS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THEIR CHANGES IN SUPPLEMENTAL AND POSITION COUNT IN THE WATER FUND, WE SEE A TOTAL BUDGET OF 55.6 MILLION. THAT IS REFLECTED HERE AS THOUGH IT WERE A DECREASE. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THAT'S THE ACCOUNTING CHANGE THAT HAPPENED WITH THE IMPACT FEES BEING MOVED OUT OF THE OPERATING FUND WASTEWATER FUND. WE'RE AT 40 MILLION. WITH DRAINAGE, WITH ALMOST NO CHANGE AT 5.6, UP FROM 5.4 AS A REMINDER, WE WILL BE DOING A COST OF SERVICE STUDY ON THE DRAINAGE FUND GOING INTO THIS NEXT YEAR. SO FOR 2425, WASTEWATER AND DRAINAGE TOGETHER ARE IN GOOD SHAPE. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK AND THEN SOLID WASTE. AT 43.5. SO THEN WE HAVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. AGAIN NO CHANGES SINCE YOU'VE SEEN THIS. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT ALL THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER AS A REMINDER WATER AND WASTEWATER, YOU'LL SEE THOSE BIG INCREASES COMING IN FUTURE YEARS. AND THOSE ARE THOSE INCREASES DUE TO INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. AND THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD TO RECEIVE SWIFT LOAN FUNDING, AND THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH THE WIFIA TEAM IN DC TO SECURE ADDITIONAL LOAN FUNDING AT MUCH MORE FAVORABLE RATES. THIS IS A GENERAL GOVERNMENT FIVE YEAR CIP. YOU'LL SEE THE ITEMS LEFT FROM THE 2019 BOND ELECTION. WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER. YOU'LL ALSO SEE THE ERP REPLACEMENTS, THE 23 ELECTION. WE'VE GONE THROUGH QUITE A BIT OF THIS. I'LL MOVE NOW INTO THE PROPOSED RATE CHANGES AND I PUT THESE TOGETHER IN AN EVEN MORE SUMMARY FORMAT FOR YOU ALL, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION HOW MUCH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THESE, THAT SEVERAL OTHER BOARDS HAVE SEEN THEM AND TALKED THROUGH THEM AS WELL. SO JUST AS A REMINDER IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE ADDING SPECIAL EVENT FEES. REALLY FOCUSED ON COST RECOVERY FOR THE COST OF FIREFIGHTERS TO ATTEND SPECIAL EVENTS AND PROVIDE SERVICES. POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOING VERY SIMILAR THINGS WITH THEIR OFF DUTY AND SPECIAL EVENT

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FEES. THEY ALSO HAVE AN INCREASE IN THEIR PUBLIC TRAINING CENTER ACADEMY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TWO WEEKS OR THREE WEEKS AGO, AND THEN THEY'RE ADDING SOME SPECIAL EVENT FEES FOR DISPATCHERS WHO ARE WORKING THE PARKS AND RECREATION FEES. WE ALSO WENT OVER IN DETAIL A LOT. SO PARKS IS LOOKING AT THEIR COST RECOVERY MODEL. SO JUST AS A REMINDER THEY HAVE THE COST RECOVERY MODEL. THAT'S OUR BIG RED ARROW THAT BREAKS DOWN DIFFERENT COST RECOVERY GOALS BASED ON THE TYPE OF SERVICE BEING PROVIDED. SO THEY HAVE UPDATED THEIR FEES TO BE WITHIN THOSE DESIRED GOALS THAT THEY SET BACK IN 2021. AND THEY ARE ALSO ADDING THEIR LED SCREEN RENTAL. SO THAT'S A NEW OPTION FOR FOLKS GOING INTO THE NEXT YEAR. WE'VE ALIGNED THE CEMETERY FEES. THEY'VE HAD SOME INCREASE TO MEETING ROOMS. IF YOU RECALL. THOSE WERE ABOUT $5 A PIECE. AND THE AQUATICS RENTAL FEES. JUST A HISTORY OF THE RATE FEES. SO AS A REMINDER, FROM 2019 TO 2023, THE CITY OF DENTON DID NOT RAISE UTILITY RATES. IN FACT, WE DECREASED UTILITY RATES WITH THE INCREASES THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THAT TIME PERIOD ONLY OCCURRING IN 2024 AND ONLY APPLICABLE TO TWO OF THE UTILITIES. SO GOING INTO 2425, WE HAVE 1.5% TO ELECTRIC BASE RATE, THREE TO WATER, 11 TO WASTEWATER, AND ONE AND A HALF TO SOLID WASTE. AND THEN WE DO HAVE THE FOUR NEW PROPOSED FUNDS. THESE FUNDS ARE PROPOSED IN ALIGNMENT WITH GAAP AND GASB. THAT'S OUR GENERALLY ACCEPTED ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES AND THE GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING STANDARDS BOARD. SO THESE FUNDS ARE BEING CREATED IN IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR PRACTICE. AND NOW I WILL STAND FOR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. GREAT PRESENTATION. GREAT WORK. QUICK QUESTION. WERE YOU ABLE TO PULL TOGETHER A SLIDE FOR MY QUESTION AROUND THE DIFFERENCES IN THE DISCOUNTING, WE HAVE DONE OUR RESEARCH OVER THE LAST TWO DAYS. WE DO HAVE INFORMATION THAT WE'LL SEND IN AN ISR THIS FRIDAY, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE INFORMATION FOR A SLID. OKAY. THEN QUESTION FOR TONI DME IF YOU CAN. SORRY. IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSED AS PROPOSED NOW, AS YOU DIG INTO THE NUMBERS ON THE WORK SESSION DISCUSSION, AND IF THAT'S RATIFIED, DO WE JUST KIND OF MIDYEAR TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND REEVALUATE. IS THAT WHAT WE DO? YEAH, I VISITED WITH JESSICA AFTER AFTER THE MEETING. I THINK WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR US, WE DO PLAN TO COME BACK, PROBABLY IN DECEMBER, JANUARY, TIME FRAME TO TALK ABOUT A COST OF SERVICE STUDY THAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW. AND WE CAN JUST ROLL THAT DISCUSSION, AT THAT TIME AND THEN GET COUNCIL DIRECTION ON WHAT TO DO WITH THAT 463,000 THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THEN WHILE I HAVE YOU.

GIVE ME YOUR GUT FEEL ON OUR OUR DISCUSSION THAT WE APPROVED FOR THE TRANSITION ON CORE SCIENTIFIC TO THE MORE NON INTERRUPTIBLE SERVICE THAT THAT'S MOVING FORWARD. WE HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING THAT THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS. ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE VOTED ON. EVERYTHING'S MOVING FORWARD. SO BASICALLY AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED IS MOVING FORWARD. WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON SOME ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK TO THE COUNCIL. FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, NONE OF THE FINANCIAL ASSUMPTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO HAVE BEEN BAKED INTO OUR CURRENT FINANCIAL PROFORMA. AND PURELY, PURELY I JUST OUT OF A BEING CONSERVATIVE, OBVIOUSLY, IF THAT MATERIALIZES, IT'LL CERTAINLY HAVE AN IMPACT IN FUTURE YEARS WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY PROJECTING ABOUT A 5% INCREASE OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME. AND I THINK THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A GAME CHANGER FOR US. AGREED. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THAT INSIGHT. YES, SIR, OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IF NOT, LET ME. I HAVE A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS. SO LET'S LET'S DO THAT AND THEN THAT MAY, MAKE PEOPLE WANT. SO FIRST SPEAKER NEIL DURANT'S YOU CAN COME DOWN, GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. NEIL DURANT'S 1108 NORTH LOCUST. 1108 NORTH LOCUST, DENTON, TEXAS, I CAME TO SPEAK TO YOU ALL LAST WEEK. I GAVE OUT FOUR OF MY CARDS, ONE TO STAFF AND TWO OTHER THREE OTHER PEOPLE HERE WHO ALL SAID

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THEY WOULD GET IN TOUCH WITH ME AND THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED. AND ONE OF THE STAFF MEMBERS TOLD ME, HE SAYS, I WILL CALL. I SAID, PLEASE DO. I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANYBODY.

NOTHING NOW STARTING TALKING ABOUT THINGS SEVEN DAYS PRIOR TO YOUR TO YOUR ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE IS PROBABLY A LITTLE SHORT. AND SINCE I HAVE A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME HERE, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BE BLUNT, AND I WILL UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO BE DIRECT TO THE POINT. YOU'RE PASSING A BUDGET WITH A BLIND SPOT AND IT'S THE SIZE OF TEXAS. YOU'RE PASSING A BLIND BUDGET, YOU'RE GETTING READY TO INCREASE TAXES AND INCREASE UTILITIES, AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHY AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE. YOU BETTER BE READY TO EXPLAIN THAT TO SOMEBODY. AND I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT I THINK THE VOTERS DESERVE AN EXPLANATION. NOW I DON'T CARE IF THE STAFF HAS WORKED ON THIS.

FIVE MINUTES, FIVE HOURS OR FIVE MONTHS OR 500 DAYS. THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE IS WHAT YOU'RE AWARE OF WHEN YOU DO THAT WITH THE BUDGET. I HAVE A FRIEND OF MINE WHO'S A, BUDGET ANALYST WHO'S HELPED ME OUT WITH GOVERNMENT BUDGETS ON OCCASION. I HANDED HIM WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN, WHAT WAS PUT UP HERE, AND ALSO THE 124 PAGE THING THAT THEY WANT TO TRY TO TELL YOU IS A LINE ITEM BUDGET ON THE WEBSITE. AND HE LOOKED AT IT AND I SAID, CAN I HAVE IT? AND I SAID, SURE, LOOK, IT OVERNIGHT. HE CAME BACK THE NEXT DAY AND HE TOLD ME ONE THING. HE SAYS, I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I SAID, WHY NOT? HE SAYS, I CAN'T MAKE ANYTHING OUT. AND HE SAYS, I CAN'T TELL YOU ONE THING. SMOKE AND MIRRORS. AND I SAID, ALL RIGHT, YOU'RE PASSING A BUDGET WHERE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE VISION IS, WHAT THE DIRECTION IS, OR WHAT THE VALUES ARE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO SELL IT TO THE CONSTITUENTS. YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT. YOU NEED TO HAVE REAL APPROACH AND APPROACH REAL PROBLEMS. BUT THE REAL PROBLEM HERE IS A LACK OF RESPECT, BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T, KEEP UP WITH A PHONE CALL FOR THE NEXT WEEK, HOW DO YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO TRUST YOU GUYS WITH $2.8 BILLION? SO AND SINCE I AM NOT ALLOWED TO RESPOND, I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST OF LUCK AND I'M GOING TO GO BACK AND GET READY FOR TOMORROW. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, CHARLES LEE, IF YOU CAN COME UP AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. HOW ARE YOU DOING? THIS IS CHARLES LEE AGAIN, THIS GOES RIGHT UP TO WHAT I, SPOKE ABOUT IN THE BEGINNING OF THE NIGHT. THIS IS BUDGET TIME. THIS IS. WHAT CAN I SAY? LIKE I SAID, LIKE, YOU GO INTO TEXAS, TEXAS CONSTITUTION, STRONGEST PROPERTY RIGHTS IN THE COUNTRY, STRONGEST LOCAL CONTROL. BUT THE THING IS, IF YOU ELECT THE WRONG PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, THEY COULD TAX IT ALL THE WAY TO WHERE YOU HAVE NO PROPERTY RIGHTS OR ANY RIGHTS AT ALL. JUST LIKE YOU GO TO COURT, IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD AN ATTORNEY, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHTS.

YOU'RE BANKRUPTING THE COUNTRY. YOU'RE BANKRUPTING THE CITY. ALL YOU DO ALL YEAR LONG. IT FEELS REAL GOOD TO SIT ON TOP OF THE DYESS SPECIAL INTERESTS COMING BACK AND FORTH, HAT IN HAND, WANTING MONEY FEELS REAL GOOD TO SPEND OUT THE MONEY TO THESE PEOPLE. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS TIME, WHEN IT ALL ADDS UP, ALL WE SPEND ALL THIS MONEY, OH WELL, WE CAN'T CUT ANYTHING.

YEAH YOU CAN, YOU CAN CUT ANYTHING YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING. YOU JUST. YOU'RE JUST HAPPY. LIKE BEING SANTA CLAUS, JUST PASSING OUT THE MONEY AND YOU'RE JUST BASICALLY RAPING THE TAXPAYER TO EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO PUSH ALL THESE MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE WHOSE PARENTS AND PREVIOUS GENERATIONS WORKED HARD FOR THEIR HOUSE. YOU'RE GOING TO PUSH THEM OUT INTO THESE TENEMENTS, AND THEN WE'RE ALL GOING TO LIVE LIKE SERFS, LIKE OUR OUR PREVIOUS GENERATIONS THAT CAME TO THIS COUNTRY. AND PEOPLE NEED TO BEAR TO WAKE UP BECAUSE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, ALL SEVEN OF YOU, YOU NEED TO GO. THIS IS BIPARTISAN. THIS PROBLEM. ALL SEVEN NEED TO GO.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. SO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. WHEN WE WHEN I'VE BEEN FIELDING FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BECAME CLEAR TO ME OVER THE LAST WEEK OR TWO, WAS AND WE, WE MEANT WELL. AND IN FACT, THE COUNCIL IS THE ONE THAT ASKED STAFF TO DO THIS. BUT PUT IN WHAT IS THE MEAN UTILITY RATE? WHAT IS THE MEAN PROPERTY TAX RATE? WHAT ARE THE MEANS OF EVERYTHING? AND STAFF ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WAS RESPONSIVE, DID THE BEST THEY COULD AND SAID, OKAY, WELL THE MEAN PROPERTY IS THIS. AND SO THEREFORE THE TAX WOULD BE THAT THE MEAN USAGE FROM THE VARIOUS UTILITIES. IS THIS. SO THEREFORE THE RATE WOULD BE THAT, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALIZED IN TALKING WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY IS THEY SEE THAT AS THAT'S WHAT THEIR CHANGE WILL

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BE, IS THAT AVERAGE THAT WE PUT IN THOSE SLIDES. SO I THINK ONE THING THAT WOULD WILL BE HELPFU, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH EFFORT IT IS, AND STAFF COULD COME BACK AND TELL ME HOW MUCH EFFORT THIS IS, BUT IF WE COULD SET EXAMPLES OF LOW, MEDIUM AND HIGH AND WE CAN WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT LOW, MEDIUM AND HIGH VALUES ARE. SO OBVIOUSLY THE MEDIAN MIGHT BE THE AVERAGE, BUT BUT WE CAN LOOK AT THE VARIOUS AND I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO WONKY, BUT THE VARIOUS MODES AND FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT THOSE ARE. YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S THE, THE LOWEST MODE. THE HIGHEST MODE. AND THAT WAY PEOPLE CAN SEE WHERE THEY LAND ON THE SPECTRUM. AND SEE, OKAY, YOU KNOW, I AM GOING TO GET A $301 INCREASE OR I'M GOING TO GET A $600 INCREASE, OR I'M GOING TO GET A $180 INCREASE. SO THAT THAT MAKES IT CLEAR THEY CAN THEY CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO FALL IN THAT SPECTRUM. I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER FOR ENGAGEMENT, BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF ANGST, ESPECIALLY FROM OUR MOST VULNERABLE POPULATION, FROM OUR MOST VULNERABLE. I CAN'T SAY IT TONIGHT THAT WORD POPULATIONS, THAT I JUST CAN'T I CAN'T DEAL WITH 300. ALL RIGHT. BUT THAT WAS THE AVERAGE. SO YOU MAY NOT BE DEALING WITH 300. YOU YOU MAY BE DEALING WITH MORE OR YOU MAY BE DEALING WITH LESS. AND SO I'M GOING TO ASK STAFF EVEN FOR THIS YEAR AS A PART OF ENGAGEMENT, IF, IF IT'S NOT TOO ONEROUS A TASK, IF YOU COULD COME BACK WITH A RANGE SO THAT WE COULD ADVERTISE THAT AS WHAT THE IMPACTS OF WHATEVER DECISION WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE IS, IF IT'S TOO MUCH, YOU CAN TELL ME. BUT I THINK IN THE WAY OF ENGAGEMENT, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE BETTER UNDERSTANDING WITH THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO MOVE APPROVAL, BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT AS AS I SAID LAST WEEK, I'M I'M SENSITIVE TO THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS AND I CAN'T GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE COUNCIL REQUESTED SOME SUPPLEMENTALS. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN PICK UP IN A MINUTE. I'M CERTAIN YOU CAN PICK IT UP IN A MID-YEAR. AND IT'S NOT. IT'S AN INCREMENTAL TAX DECREASE ON THE CITIZENS AND IF YOU'RE NOT, IF SO, IF YOU CAN GO TO THAT SLIDE SO PEOPLE CAN SEE IT, SLIDE NINE. OOPS. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG AT HOME I REQUEST THAT THE E-BIKES. SO I'M PUTTING THAT ASIDE SAYING HEY I HEAR YOU. AND I'M TRYING TO ADJUST WHERE WE CAN. IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER LIST IN YOUR TIME, THOSE ARE ALL PERSONNEL AND KEY ITEMS THAT THE CITY MANAGER PUT FORWARD. THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT I BELIEVE IS OBVIOUSLY ABLE TO BE TRIMMED BACK AND INDICATE. SO LOOK AT THE STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES. TWO OF THOSE DON'T EVEN HAVE A STRATEGIC COUNCIL OBJECTIVE. SO THAT MEANS STAFF COULDN'T FIND THE GOAL THAT ALIGNS WITH THOSE REQUESTS, AND I VERIFY THAT IN THE WORK SESSION. SO THAT'S NOT ME TALKING. THAT'S THE ANSWER I WAS RECEIVING. BUT ANYWAY, I'M NOT SAYING ANY OF THESE THINGS CAN'T HAPPEN. I'M SAYING ALL THESE THINGS CAN HAPPEN WHEN YOU HAVE INCREASED SALES TAX, WHICH WE DO REGULARLY. IF YOU HAVE INCREASE IN DME, ACTIVITY, THEN THEN YOU CAN PICK UP THOSE THINGS. BUT AT LEAST WE'RE NOT TAXING PEOPLE EXTRA. THIS, WHATEVER THE MATH, WOULD BE ON 180, $83,000. AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SIGN TO THE VOTERS TO SAY, AND THOSE WHO WE'VE HEARD FROM TO SAY, I HEAR YOU AND I CAN TO MR. DURANT'S POINT, I CAN DEFEND THAT. DEFEND GOING AFTER THESE THINGS THAT NO ONE'S REALLY ASKED FOR. AND SPENDING THAT MONEY I CAN DEFEND THE STAFF AND EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY CITY MANAGER HAS PUT FORWARD. THE K-9 OFFICERS. THE MORE POLICE, THE MORE FIRE SERVICE. THOSE ARE CORE FUNCTIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE DEMANDING OF US. THE THIS LIST IS WANT TO HAVE NOT MUST HAVE. SO MY MOTION IS MOVE APPROVAL -$183,096. DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX COUNCILPERSON JESTER I, I AGREE WITH YOUR SENTIMENTS. I, I LOOK FORWARD TO AS THE YEARS GOING BY CUTTING TAXES. I BELIEVE THAT WITH SOME THINGS WE HAVE, SHALL WE SAY, IN THE HOPPER AND THE PLANS THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO CUT TAXES IN THE

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FUTURE. HOWEVER, I THINK WITH WHAT WE HAVE FORWARD, OR IN THE BUDGET, IT IS NECESSARY AT THIS TIME FOR VARIOUS REASONS. HOWEVER, THESE COUNCIL, SUPPLEMENTALS I THINK ARE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CUT AND WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT WHEN WE CAN. SO I SECOND THAT MOTION.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. NO. YOU'RE GOOD. SO REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM MELZER. YEAH. I'M NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN WINDOW DRESSING. I WANT TO JUST TELL YOU STRAIGHT, FIRST OF ALL, THESE ITEMS AMOUNT TO SOMETHING LIKE A 10TH OF A PERCENT OF THE BUDGET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WINDOW DRESSING. HERE'S THE REAL STORY, FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN COUNCIL, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE TRIED TO LOWER THE TAX RATE. EVERY YEAR, A NUMBER OF YEARS. HE WENT FOR THE NO NEW TAXES RATE, WHICH MEANT THAT THE ACTUAL TAX BILL WAS TARGETED TO BE THE SAME AS LAST YEAR. IT VARIES BY INDIVIDUAL, BUT THE AVERAGE, SO WHAT'S DIFFERENT NOW? I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE WE GET THAT MONEY. SO WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ELECTED OFFICIALS AND IT'S NOT LIKE HARD TO FIGURE OUT. DO PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE HIGHER TAXES OR LOWER TAXES? I MEAN, WE ALL WE WANT LOWER TAXES TO THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR ALMOST $300 MILLION IN PROJECTS IN THE BOND ELECTION. IT'S GOT TO GET FINANCED. WE DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY YOU VOTED FOR IT, BUT NOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. THAT'S AN ELECTION. WE COLLECTIVELY, Y'ALL AND EVERYONE HERE, WE'RE EMPLOYERS TOO. SO THAT COST OF LIVING THAT WE'RE ALL FACING, THAT SHOCK AT THE GROCERY STORE OUR EMPLOYEES ARE FACING THAT AS WELL. AND WE'RE NOT COVERING THE 7% INCREASE IN COST OF LIVING THAT OUR EMPLOYEES ARE FACING.

WE'RE DOING SOMETHING. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE KIND OF KNOCKING ON WOOD THAT THEY'LL STAY WITH US AND THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, HIGH QUALITY OF SERVICE FROM OUR VERY DEDICATED STAFF, WE'RE A GROWING CITY. SOME OF THAT GROWTH REQUIRES MORE PEOPLE. THERE'S TEN ADDITIONAL FIRST RESPONDERS IN THERE. NOW, WHEN YOU'RE A GROWING CITY, YOU MAY DISAGREE.

IN MY OPINION, IT'S NOT THE TIME TO GO TO AN AUSTERITY BUDGET AND REDUCE THE QUALITY OF SERVICES.

SO YES, IT'S A IT'S NOT A SWEET PILL, BUT BUT THAT'S WHY THIS IS BEFORE US AND BEFORE YOU.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. AND SO I'LL CONTINUE ON IN FROM THERE AS WELL. I MEAN, STAFF CAME TO US WITH A BUDGET IN WHICH THEY HAD A NUMBER OF CORE SERVICES THAT THEY SAID REALLY NEEDED TO BE FUNDED, AND COUNCIL MADE THE HARD DECISION THAT, OKAY, FOR THIS YEAR, WE'RE NOT GOING TO FUND THOSE THINGS THAT STAFF THOUGHT WERE CORE SERVICES THAT HIT THE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES IN OUR CITY. AND, YOU KNOW, FROM FROM POLICE TO LIBRARY TO ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT THAT MAKE THE QUALITY OF LIFE HIGH FOR ALL KINDS OF ECONOMIC DIVERSITY.

FOLKS ACROSS THE CITY. AND WE SAID, OKAY, WELL, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE BASE BUDGET. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THOSE PROGRAMS AT THIS TIME. WE'LL SEE ABOUT IN THE FUTURE.

SO, THAT WAS TO THE TUNE OF, I BELIEVE, ANOTHER PENNY OFF THE RATE, AND WHAT WE THE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT TO THE PUBLIC IS, THE PROGRAMS IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL ARE NOT ONLY ARE THEY A 10TH OF A PERCENT, THEY HAPPEN TO HIT, FOR THE MOST PART, SOME OF THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF DENVER. I SAID IT RIGHT, THAT TIME, AND, AND THEREFORE HAVE A LARGE OUTSIZED IMPACT COMPARED TO THEIR DOLLAR RATE. AND ON TOP OF THAT, ALL OF THESE ITEMS WERE APPROVED IN STAGES EARLIER. SO WHAT WE SORT OF HAVE AND AGAIN, I WILL ALSO BE BLUNT, WE HAVE A, AN ATTEMPT TO DO A BACKYARD, A BACK DOOR, NO VOTE ON THINGS THAT WERE ALREADY HAD A CONSENSUS APPROVAL FROM COUNCIL BY STRIPPING THEM OF THEIR FUNDING SO THAT THEY'RE DE FACTO NO. EVEN THOUGH WE HAD A CONSENSUS. YES. SO, THAT'S NOT THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO DO THE BUDGET. AND I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE AMENDED MOTION REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. I APPRECIATE THAT, DOCTOR BECK, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY THAT YOU POINTED IT OUT, BECAUSE I

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WAS GOING TO BE A LOT BLUNTER, AND TO MY COLLEAGUES, I ENCOURAGE YOU, THIS IS NOTHING BUT PERFORMATIVE. WE'VE BEEN DOING PERFORMATIVE ALL DAY UP HERE. LET'S VOTE THIS MOTION DOWN AND APPROVE THIS ITEM AS PRESENTED TO US. MOVE ON AND GO HOME. THIS THIS GAME. THIS IS.

THIS IS ALL GAME AND CAP. LET'S MOVE ON. VOTE THIS MOTION DOWN. VOTE THE NEXT MOTION UP AND GO.

THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH I TOOK A FEW ARROWS SO I'M GOING TO RESPOND. FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG ASK THIS TOMORROW. IF THIS FAILS, WOULD YOU RATHER SEE I'M FORGOING. WE NEED A JAIL SUPERVISOR. GO TO DENTON RECORD-CHRONICLE AND LOOK UP THE ARTICLE ON OUR CITY MUNICIPAL DETENTION CENTER IN JAIL. WE'RE STRUGGLING. IT'S $137,000. NOT ADVOCATING FOR THAT. I'M SAYING WE'LL PICK THAT UP MID-YEAR. WHAT? I AM SAYING, THOUGH, IS RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU THINK WE NEED $12,000, $13,000 ROUND NUMBERS. I'LL ROUND IT UP ON SIGNAGE IN MEN'S RESTROOM TELLING THEM WHERE THEIR PERIOD PRODUCTS ARE LOCATED. $13,000 OF YOUR TAXPAYER MONEY GOING TO THE CRITICAL NEED OF SIGNAGE TO TELL PEOPLE WHERE TO FIND PERIOD PRODUCTS. DON'T NEED IT? LET'S GO TO THE OTHER ONE THAT HAS NO STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE FOR THOSE HALF OUR CITY FRUSTRATED WITH HOMELESSNESS, YOU'RE ADVOCATING THEY'RE ADVOCATING FOR A WATER STATION FOR HOMELESS. LET THAT AND I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. I TRULY THOUGHT ABOUT HOW DO WE SUPPORT THAT? HOW DO WE GET THAT DONE? WHY WOULD WE GET THAT DON? ONE OF OUR ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TALKED ABOUT PLASTIC BOTTLES REMOVING PLASTIC BOTTLES. I THOUGHT I PROCESSED THROUGH THAT IN THE ENCAMPMENTS, WHICH WE HAVE. THEY'RE NOT LEAVING THE ENCAMPMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TO GO GET WATER. THEY'RE IN THE ENCAMPMENT. THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A BOTTLE OF WATER WITH THEM AND BE THERE. WE'VE HAD AT LEAST TWO, POTENTIALLY THREE PEOPLE DECEASED THAT ARE IN WOODED AREAS. I WONDER, TO MYSELF IF THEY WERE TO IF THEY WERE TO COME TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. THE GENTLEMAN THAT PASSED AWAY BEHIND WAFFLE HOUSE THAT WAS TALKING TO HIS HIS FRIEND, THAT WAS ALSO HOMELESS. I WONDER IF HE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE SHELTER, IF HE WOULD HAVE BEEN WALKED INTO THE DISCOVERY CENTER APARTMENT. YEAH, THE DISCOVERY CENTER OR ONE OF THE OTHER MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS WOULD HE HAVE GOTTEN THE MEDICAL ATTENTION HE NEEDED? WE DON'T NEED TO. PRAGMATIC EXAMPLE. SO I TAKE I DON'T I DON'T GET OFFENDED. I DISAGREE, I'M ASKING EVERYONE TO DISREGARD THE POINTS MADE AS THOUGH IT'S SOME KIND OF WINDOW DRESSING. ET CETERA. ET CETERA I, I'M GIVING YOU REAL LIFE EXAMPLES OF HOW I PROCESS THROUGH THAT. IT'S EASY TO DISMISS IT, JUST HIGH LEVEL. I KNOW NOTHING TO SEE HERE, BUT UNDERSTAND STAFF GREAT AS THEY ARE, COULD NOT FIND A STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE TO MATCH THOSE TWO. THEY COULD NOT FIND A JUSTIFICATION FOR THOSE. AND WHERE I CAN'T JUSTIFY SPENDING $100,000 ON THOSE THINGS, I CAN'T JUSTIFY PEOPLE SHOWING UP SAYING THAT THEY'RE FRUSTRATED WITH THEIR TAX BILL. THEY'RE FRUSTRATED WITH THEIR UTILITY BILL AND DO NOTHING. I'M GOING TO DO SOMETHING, OR AT LEAST PUT MY BEST FOOT FORWARD TO DO SOMETHING. NOW, THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL MAY DECIDE TO DO NOTHING. THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT THAT. BUT I'M GOING TO SAY, AS MAYOR, I HEARD THOSE THAT CAME BEFORE US. I HEARD THEIR CONCERNS. AND IF IT'S HALF OF A HALF OF A HALF OF A CENT, BUT I CAN GET THERE, LET ME DO WHAT I CAN. AND TO THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS POINT, LET'S GO DO MORE LATER. BUT LET'S START WHAT WE CAN. LET'S SHOW I PERSONALLY WANT TO SHOW THOSE THAT SPOKE. I HEAR YOU, I'M DOING WHAT I CAN. NONE OF THESE ARE AN EMERGENCY. NONE OF THESE HAVE TO HAPPEN TOMORROW. WE HAVE PLENTY OF WATER FOUNTAINS. WE HAVE NO NEED FOR SIGNAGE ON FOR WHERE PEOPLE CAN FIND PERIOD PRODUCTS THAT'S NEVER COME UP. NO ONE'S ASKED FOR MORE WATER FOUNTAINS. NO ONE EVEN ASKED FOR E-BIKES. I LIKE THEM, I THINK THEY'RE IMPORTANT. WE'LL GET THEM IN THE MID-YEAR. SO AND OBVIOUSLY WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT SPONSORSHIP PROGRAMS. SO I JUST WANT TO RESPOND TO THOSE YOU I CANNOT IN GOOD FAITH JUSTIFY THESE THINGS. I DON'T CARE HOW SMALL IT IS. I THINK YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING IN RESPONSE TO THE CITIZENS REQUEST AND NOTICE, I

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DID NOT TOUCH ON THE CORE THINGS. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE BOND DEBT. I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE STAFFING, THOSE SORT OF THINGS, THOSE CORE THINGS BELONG. AND THAT'S WHY I'M NOT ADVOCATING THOSE CHANGE. I'M ADVOCATING THAT THE COUNCILS, THESE COUNCIL SUPPLEMENTALS BE REMOVED SO THAT WE CAN RESPOND TO THE TO THE TAXPAYERS AND SAY WE HEARD YOU AND MAKING SLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS BECAUSE WE CAN PICK THAT UP MID-YEAR. SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO. AND SO THE MOTION IS BUDGET AS PRESENTED. BUT FOR THE SUPPLEMENTALS, WHICH IS $180,000, 9180, $183,096 VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT FAILS. FOUR THREE I'LL TAKE A MOTION REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH. MAYOR PRO TEM, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE ITEM AS PRESENTED. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. AND I. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES FIVE TWO. ALL

[C. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, levying the ad valorem property tax of the City of Denton, Texas, for the year 2024, on all taxable property within the corporate limits of the City on January 1, 2024, and adopting a tax rate of $0.585420 per $100 of valuation for 2024; providing revenues for payment of current municipal maintenance and operation expenses and for payment of interest and principal on outstanding City of Denton debt; providing for limited exemptions of certain homesteads; providing for enforcement of collections; providing for a severability clause; and providing an effective date]

RIGHT. AND THAT TAKES US TO ITEM C I'VE ALREADY CALLED IT NO NEW PRESENTATION. NO NO NEW PRESENTATION. BUT I WILL HAVE THIS ONE AVAILABLE IF WE. OKAY I HAVE SPEAKERS, ALISON PEELER MITCHELL. HI, EVERYONE. ALL RIGHT. IT'S LATE. THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME ALWAYS TO ADDRESS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT AFFECT DENTON COUNTY RESIDENTS. SO, MY FAMILY AND I ARE NEW HOMEOWNERS IN IN DENTON, AND, ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT CONTINUING COSTS THAT JUST SORT OF KEEP RISING AND FEELING LIKE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING ARE BRINGING NEW BUSINESS IN WITH TAX INCENTIVES FOR THE BUSINESSES THEMSELVES, AND THEN DEFERRING THAT BURDEN ONTO THE CITIZENS THEMSELVES. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THESE MASSIVE INCREASES IN PEOPLE'S UTILITY BILLS AND TAX BILLS THAT DON'T MATCH ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS THAT WE SAW ON THE SCREEN, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER BECK WAS SAYING THERE, MAYBE IT'S A LOW, MEDIUM HIGH THAT NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED. BUT I MEAN, FOLKS ARE SEEING HUNDREDS. OUR BILL IS $100 MORE EACH MONTH THAN IT'S EVER BEEN, AND IT CONTINUES TO RISE AND I YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO SORT OF RECONCILE THESE CONTINUED INCREASES AND SUCH A MASSIVE BUDGET. AT THE SAME TIME. IT JUST DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE, YOU KNOW, AND, YEAH, I, I JUST THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE, YOU KNOW, DENTON IS KNOWN FOR ITS CREATIVITY. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SHOWN IN, IN YOUR DECISION MAKING AND THE THINGS THAT HAVE THAT YOU'VE PUT FORWARD FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK THIS REQUIRES SOME, SOME CREATIVITY, I DO APPRECIATE THE THINGS THAT, THAT THE MAYOR JUST SHARED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF SUPPLEMENTAL THINGS THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO AWAY. I DID WANT TO SAY THAT I FOUND IT A LITTLE BIT CONCERNING ABOUT THE BATHROOM SIGNAGE, BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS SIGNAGE AND THE PRODUCTS THEMSELVES AND I DO THINK THAT PERIOD PRODUCTS ARE AN ESSENTIAL THING FOR IN CITY, YOU KNOW, BATHROOMS. AND I THINK THAT THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT, CRASS, BUT I DO I DO HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL CONSIDER THAT THERE IS FINDING SOME ROOM AND SOME SPACE FOR, NOT FOR EVEN DEFERRING THESE PROPERTY TAX INCREASES TO ANOTHER TIME WHEN PEOPLE HAVE WRAPPED THEIR HEADS AND THEIR BUDGETS AROUND EVERYTHING INCREASING, THERE'S JUST NO ROOM, YOU KNOW, FOR ANYONE WE WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, HOMEOWNERS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN DENTON FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. AND IT JUST GETS HARDER AND HARDER TO DO THAT, AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING PUSHED OUT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING ME TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. AND THEN, CHARLES LEE, YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT AGENDA ITEM. ARE WE ON 20 423, TWO ONE ON THE SCREEN? YEAH YEAH. WE'RE ON. YES. GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS ABOUT THE, TAX INCREASES, RIGHT. THIS IS THE RATE. YES. YEAH. THE RATE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, NEXT TIME WHEN YOU GO TO THE BALLOT BOX

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AND THERE'S A BOND UP THERE, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT BOND IS BASICALLY JUST A CREDIT CARD TO THE CITY, AND IT'S BEING UNDERRATED BY YOUR PROPERTY. SO THE NEXT TIME YOU GO TO THE BALLOT AND YOU SEE ANY KIND OF BOND, VOTE NO, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GIVE THESE PEOPLE ANY KIND OF MONEY BECAUSE THEY'LL JUST RECKLESSLY SPEND IT THERE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF SPENDING EVERY DIME. AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO PUT ANOTHER BOND UP THERE SO THEY CAN SPEND MORE. YOU GOT TO VOTE NO ON THESE BONDS. AND THEN I JUST WANT TO SAY THERE'S ANOTHER THING GOING DOWN IN DALLAS RIGHT NOW THAT THEY'RE PUTTING ALL KIND OF BALLOT INITIATIVES UP TO RESTRICTED GOVERNMENT SPENDING. AND ALL THIS TYPE OF STUFF. THIS IS THAT'S THE AVENUE WE HAVE TO GO BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE RIGHT HERE, THEY WILL NOT STOP SPENDING FOR ANYTHING. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. THERE'S JUST TOO MANY SPECIAL INTERESTS. THEY GOT TOO MANY PEOPLE COMING IN HERE, HAT IN HAND, THAT DON'T EVEN LIVE IN THE TOWN. BUT IT'S JUST A WHOLE RACKET GOING ON HERE. AND THE ONLY WAY YOU GOT TO DO IT, YOU GOT TO ORGANIZE AND YOU GOT TO GO UP HERE AND YOU GOT TO PUT BALLOT INITIATIVES ON THERE. THERE'S RESTRICT THESE PEOPLE AND TIE THEIR HANDS, BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP SPENDING ON ANY CIRCUMSTANCES UNLESS YOU PUT NEW PEOPLE IN THERE AND YOU'VE GOT TO BIND THEIR HAND WITH BALLOT INITIATIVES, AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY IT'S GOING TO GET IT DONE. AND PEOPLE HAVE TO ORGANIZE TO STOP THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM C AND YOU HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF YOU. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO I MOVE APPROVAL O THIS IS THE RATES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE BE INCREASED BY THE ADOPTION OF A TAX RATE OF 0.585420, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A 10.09% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE. AND TO APPROVE ITEM 24.232. REPRESENTATIVE OF DISTRICT ONE. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION. CNN, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

[D. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, approving the 2024 tax rolls; and providing an effective date.]

TAKES US TO ITEM D. ID 24233. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS APPROVING THE 2024 TAX ROLLS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THERE IS NO PRESENTATION.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE MEMBER TOM MELTZER? I MOVE APPROVAL REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM E,

[E. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, ratifying the adoption of the fiscal year 2024-2025 Annual Program of Services (Budget) and the Capital Improvement Program of the City of Denton, Texas, for the fiscal year beginning on October 1, 2024, and ending on September 30, 2025, when the budget will raise more revenue from property taxes than last year’s budget; and providing an effective date.]

ID 24234. AND THIS IS CONSIDERING ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS TO RATIFYING THE ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 ANNUAL PROGRAM OF SERVICES AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. CITY OF DENTON. THERE IS NO PRESENTATION, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, I'LL TAKE A MOTION. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO, I MOVE. APPROVAL OF THE ITEM IS WRITTEN. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN

[F. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, establishing the rates and fees for water and water service; repealing ordinance no. 23-1741; providing for a repealer; providing for a severability clause; and providing for an effective date.]

ZERO. TAKES US TO ITEM F, WHICH WAS. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ESTABLISHING THE RATES AND FEES FOR WATER AND WATER SERVICE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAF? SEEING NONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE HAPPILY MOVE APPROVAL. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX, COUNCILPERSON. JESTER SECONDS. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. ITEM G CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN

[G. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, establishing the schedule of rates and fees for wastewater service; repealing ordinance no. 22-1857; providing for a repealer; providing for a severability clause; and providing an effective date.]

ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TEXAS. ESTABLISHING THE SCHEDULE OF RATES, FEES. WATER SERVICE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I'LL TAKE A MOTION. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. MAYOR PRO TEM MOSER, I MOVE APPROVAL. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. SECOND. MOTION AND SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. TAKES US TO H CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE

[H. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas establishing the schedule of rates for Electric service; providing for a repealer; providing for a severability clause; and providing an effective date.]

OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS. ESTABLISHING THE SCHEDULED RATES OF ELECTRICITY, ELECTRIC SERVIC.

PROVIDING A REPEALER. PROVIDING SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, I'LL TAKE A MOTION. REPRESENTATIVE. DISTRICT TWO. I MOVE APPROVAL REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

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ANY ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. TAKES US TO ITEM I, WHICH IS

[I. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, establishing the rates for Solid Waste and Recycling collection service; repealing ordinance no. 23-1736; providing for a repealer; providing for a severability clause; and providing an effective date.]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS. ESTABLISHING THE RATES FOR SOLID WASTE RECYCLE COLLECTION SERVICE, REPEALING ORDINANCE 231736. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

SEEING NONE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. MELTZER. I MOVE APPROVAL. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. ITEM J WAS PULLED GOING TO ITEM K. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE

[K. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton adopting a schedule of fees for the Denton Fire Department; superseding all prior fees in conflict with such schedule; providing severability; providing a repealer; and establishing an effective date.]

CITY OF DENTON. ADOPTING A SCHEDULE OF FEES FOR DENTON FIRE DEPARTMENT. I'LL TAKE A MOTION REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. I MOVE APPROVAL REPRESENTATIVE, DISTRICT FIVE.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS FOR STAFF. SEEING NONE. VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. TAKES US TO ITEM L. CONSIDER

[L. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton adopting a schedule of fees, updating the existing charges and fees for use of city owned property and facilities, and for city services provided at or by Parks and Recreation; superseding prior fee schedules; providing severability and repealer clauses; and providing an effective date.]

ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON. ADOPTING SCHEDULED FEES, UPDATING EXISTING CHARGES AND FEES FOR CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND FACILITIES. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. COUNCILPERSON JESTER MOVES APPROVAL. SO. AND THEN WHO SECONDED. OKAY.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. THAT'S FINE. WELL TAKE IT. OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR, SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. TAKES US TO ITEM M, AND THAT'S

[M. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton adopting a schedule of fees for the use of the Denton Police Department public safety training center, firearms range, officer off-duty/private event pay, and motor vehicle escorts for hire; providing for severability; superseding all prior ordinances establishing fees in conflict with such schedule; and establishing an effective date.]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON. ADOPTING A SCHEDULE OF FEES FOR THE USE OF DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER, FIREARMS RANGE OFFICER OFF-DUTY PRIVATE EVENT PAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. MAYOR PRO TEM MELTZER I MOVE APPROVAL. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX I SECOND AS A AS PRESENTED. OKAY ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. YEAH OKAY. NO WORD IN. THAT PASSES

[N. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, establishing a Legends Municipal Utility District Fund; committing revenues of the City to the Legends Municipal Utility District Fund; providing a severability clause; and providing an effective date.]

SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM N. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY WAS SET UP THERE. OH DO WE HAVE HIM? PASSED OUT? YEAH WE NEED ONE MORE TIME. WE'LL MAKE SURE THE RECORDS REFLECT ACCURATELY. THE SYSTEM IS KIND OF HAVING TROUBLE KEEPING UP WITH ME. YES OKAY.

BUT YOU GOT. YOU HAVE HIM. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY, SO THAT TAKES US TO N CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ESTABLISHING LEGENDS MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT FUND, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. SO MOVE THIS ITEM. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. TAKES US TO ITEM OH. CONSIDER ADOPTION

[O. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, establishing a Meadows Municipal Utility District Fund; committing revenues of the City to the Meadows Municipal Utility District Fund; providing a severability clause; and providing an effective date.]

OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS. ESTABLISHING A MEADOWS MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT FUND. COMMITTING REVENUES OF THE CITY OF DENTON TO THE MEADOWS MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I'LL TAKE A MOTION. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE, MOVE TO APPROVE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. ITEM

[P. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, establishing a Public Housing Finance Corporation Fund; committing revenues of the City to the Public Housing Finance Corporation Fund; providing a severability clause; and providing an effective date.]

P CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS. ESTABLISHING A PUBLIC HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION FUND. COMMITTING REVENUES OF THE CITY OF PUBLIC HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION FUND, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER. MR. LEE, IF YOU CAN COME UP AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT. IT'S THE SAME

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THING, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE IT SHORT AND SWEET THAT, LIKE, THESE PEOPLE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO STOP SPENDING. THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO STOP THEM IS IF YOU PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY GOING DOWN THE DRAIN, THEY HAVE TO ORGANIZE AND YOU HAVE TO MOBILIZE BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE YOUR INTEREST. THEY HAVE OTHER INTERESTS, AND THEY'RE NOT YOUR PROPERTY. IF YOUR PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE TAXPAYERS NEED THAT AND YOUR INTEREST IS NOT THEIR INTEREST, THIS IS BASICALLY TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. THAT'S ALL IT IS. AND UNTIL YOU REPLACE THESE PEOPLE AND START CHANGING LAWS, NOTHING WILL CHANGE AND IT'LL JUST GET WORSE. HAVE A NICE DAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU, WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT, TWO, NO, FIVE. I MOVE APPROVAL. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. TAKES US TO OUR LAST ITEM. ITEM Q AND I'M. CHAIR'S

[Q. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, establishing a Tourism Public Improvement District Fund; committing revenues of the City to the Tourism Public Improvement District Fund; providing a severability clause; and providing an effective date.]

DISCRETION. I'M GIVING YOU FAIR WARNING. NO CONCLUDING ITEMS. WE'RE OUT OF HERE AFTER THIS, SO ITEM Q, CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ESTABLISHING TOURISM PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT FUND, WE HAVE A SPEAKER. YOU GOOD. BLESS YOU. AMEN I ASSUME YOU'RE AGAINST IT. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SEEING NONE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. I MOVE APPROVAL, SIR. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AT 1027. THAT CONCLUDES OUR MEETING

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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