[WORK SESSION BEGINS AT 2:00 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION ROOM]
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          GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. TODAY IS THE IT'S THE TUESDAY, THE 19TH OF NOVEMBER. AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. SO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER THE FIRST 
          [1. Citizen Comments on Consent Agenda Items]
THING ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZEN COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER THAT HAS REQUESTED TO SPEAK. CHARLES LEE, YOU HAVE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. YES, MY NAME IS CHARLES LEE AND I WANT TO SPEAK ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. I WANT TO FIRST START OFF WITH A REMARK THAT, YES, I WANT TO UNIFY. I WANT EVERYBODY TO BE UNIFIED AROUND OUR SHARED VALUES. BUT MY QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE OUR SHARED VALUES? BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN I I'M DARING SOMEBODY TO TELL ME ONE SHARED VALUE AND I CAN'T FIND ONE YET. PLEASE JUST START STATING SHARED VALUES SO WE CAN UNIFY BEHIND THEM. AND MY THING IS, I'M OBJECTION TO CONSENT ITEM ID 24506 NOMINATIONS TO THE BOARDS. SPECIFICALLY, I'M AGAINST ADAM BRIGLEY BECAUSE IF THE ONE SIDE IS GOING TO START STRIKING DOWN ALL OUR PEOPLE THAT WE WANT TO BE NOMINATED TO BORROW BOARDS, I THINK WE SHOULD START STRIKING DOWN WHO THEY WANT TO NOMINATE TO THE BOARDS AND COME AROUND WHO WE CAN AGREE ON COLLECTIVELY. I THINK ADAM BRIGLEY SHOULD BE STRUCK DOWN AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER GENTLEMAN I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH TIME IN THE DAY. ANOTHER ONE IS RICHARD VILLARREAL. VILLARREAL. SO I DON'T KNOW THE GENTLEMAN MYSELF, BUT IF HE'S RELATED TO JORDAN VILLARREAL, VILLARREAL, I THINK WE SHOULD STRIKE HIM TOO. 
          IF THEY ARE RELATED. AND THEN MY NEXT THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE 89TH STATE LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM. THE RESOLUTION ADOPTING THAT I HAVE A COUPLE OF ISSUES AS FAR AS LIKE MENTAL HEALTH. 
          I'M ACTUALLY IN FOR MENTAL HEALTH ONLY IF WE INSTITUTIONALIZE THESE PEOPLE LIKE WE USED TO DO NOW HAVE THEM OUT IN THE STREETS, BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE NEED INPATIENT CARE, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE ON OUTPATIENT CARE. I'M AGAINST THE PET SHOP REGULATIONS, MEANING THAT THEY'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE RESCUE PETS. THIS IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS. THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT. I SUPPORT STATE REGULATIONS OF MATERIAL AND PUBLIC LIBRARY BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF INAPPROPRIATE MATERIAL IN DENTON CITY PUBLIC LIBRARY, AND I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO HAVE FREE REIGN OVER THAT. NO ATTORNEYS FOR CLASS C MISDEMEANORS. HE'S A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR IS FINE. ONLY THEY THEY THEY SHOULDN'T GET ANY ATTORNEY. AND ALSO AT THE SAME TIME NO WARRANTS FOR CLASS C MISDEMEANORS EITHER. IF IT'S A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR, FINE. ONLY THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY WARRANTS PUT OUT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO START PASSING LEGISLATION TO. SOMEBODY HAS TWO BLADES OF GRASS IN THE STREET, AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO PUT A ARREST WARRANT OUT FOR PEOPLE FOR TWO BLADES OF GRASS. I WANT TO LIMIT THE CO THE CERTIFICATE AUTHORIZATION. SO YOU CAN HAVE MORE SPENDING. NOW THAT SHOULD BE PUT ON THE BALLOT. AND I'M OPPOSED FOR A LEGISLATIVE FUNDS FOR LOCAL TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS. NOW IF YOU WANT TO DO LOCAL TRANSPORTATION, YOU GUYS SHOULD PAY FOR IT YOURSELF. I DON'T WANT ANY STATE FUNDING FOR THAT. AND OTHER THAN THAT, AND THERE'S A LOT MORE, BUT THAT'S ALL I COULD GO OVER. IN A BRIEF SUMMATION. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION. THANK 
          [2. Requests for clarification of agenda items listed on this agenda for public hearing and individual consideration.]
YOU VERY MUCH AND HAVE A NICE DAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THAT TAKES US TO REQUESTS FOR CLARIFICATION ON AGENDA ITEMS. ANY REQUESTS FOR CLARIFICATION? SEEING NONE TAKES US TO OUR 
          [A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the City’s federal legislative efforts.
    [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]
FIRST WORK SESSION. WHICH IS ITEM THREE? A ID 242191. RECEIVE. REPORT. HOLD. 
          DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE CITY'S FEDERAL LEGISLATIVE EFFORTS. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL CHRISTY FOGLE, CHIEF OF STAFF. I'M JOINED TODAY BY OUR FEDERAL LEGISLATIVE CONSULTANTS, RALPH AND DEBORAH FROM DC. THEY WORK WITH CAPITAL EDGE AND HAVE DONE SOME GREAT WORK WITH US IN THE LAST FEW YEARS ON OUR FEDERAL FEDERAL LEGISLATIVE EFFORTS. SO, RALPH, I'LL DO THE FIRST FEW SLIDES, AND THEN RALPH WILL COME UP AND GIVE SOME OF HIS INFORMATION AS WELL. SO A QUICK OVERVIEW. I'LL GO OVER THE GENERAL ADVOCACY OBJECTIVES FOR OUR FEDERAL ADVOCACY DMS ADVOCACY OBJECTIVES AND OUR COMMUNITY PROJECT FUNDING REQUESTS. ALSO CALLED EARMARKS. AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO RALPH TO DO OUR 2024 ACCOMPLISHMENTS UNFINISHED BUSINESS. AND THEN LOOKING FORWARD AT THE NEXT SESSION OF CONGRESS, OUR OVERARCHING FEDERAL ADVOCACY OBJECTIVES ARE TO SECURE FEDERAL GRANT FUNDING, ENGAGE LEGISLATORS ON AREAS OF LEGISLATION THAT IMPACT THE CITY, AND TO MONITOR AND 
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PARTICIPATE IN THE FEDERAL RULEMAKING PROCESS AND THEN DME HAS THEIR OWN FEDERAL LEGISLATIVE AGENDA THAT INCLUDES SUPPORTING ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR INCREASED DOMESTIC PRODUCTION OF TRANSFORMERS, PROTECT AND MAINTAIN LOCAL MUNICIPAL LEGISLATION THAT ALLOWS DME TO CONTINUE TO SET FEES AND STANDARDS, PROTECT AND MAINTAIN LOCAL MUNICIPALITY AUTHORITY THAT REQUIRES THIRD PARTY ENTITIES TO PROPERLY MAINTAIN THE EQUIPMENT POLLS AND PRESERVE AUTHORITY THAT CONTINUES TO ALLOW US TO CREATE STANDARDS FOR THEIR POLE ATTACHMENT AGREEMENTS, AND SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT WILL REINSTATE A MUNICIPALITY'S ABILITY TO ADVANCE REFUND OUTSTANDING BONDS MORE THAN 90 DAYS BEFORE THE SCHEDULED CALL DATE. JUMPING INTO OUR COMMUNITY PROJECT FUNDING REQUESTS OR EARMARKS AS THEY'RE KIND OF COLLOQUIALLY COLLOQUIALLY CALLE, THESE ALLOW LEGISLATORS TO REQUEST AND PROVIDE FUNDING TO SPECIFIC PROJECTS WITHIN THEIR DISTRICTS THROUGH US, THROUGH THE US HOUSE FEDERAL BUDGET MAKING PROCESS. THE PROCESS WAS DISCONTINUED BACK IN 2011 AND WAS ONLY RECENTLY REINSTATED IN 2021, AND INDIVIDUAL CONGRESS CONGRESSMEN AND WOMEN HAVE THE DISCRETION TO ACCEPT OR NOT ACCEPT REQUESTS. SO UNTIL RECENTLY, DENTON DENTON'S DELEGATION HAS NOT ACCEPTED THESE REQUESTS. WITH RONNY JACKSON GAINING A PIECE OF DENTON IN THE LAST REDISTRICTING CYCLE, THE CITY HAS FOR THE FIRST TIME BEEN ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE FUNDING REQUESTS PROCESS BY SUBMITTING THREE PROPOSALS TO REPRESENTATIVE JACKSON'S OFFICE. 
          SO IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR, THE CITY. THE CITY SUBMITTED THE FOLLOWING THREE REQUESTS DENTON PD SPECIAL EVENT SECURITY PROTECTIVE BARRIERS OR BOLLARDS. THIS WOULD FUND THE INSTALLATION OF RETRACTABLE BOLLARDS AROUND THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO ENHANCE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. DURING EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES. THE HICKORY CREEK WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR PROJECT, WHICH WOULD UPGRADE AGING WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALLOW FOR EXPANSION OF HOURS OF SERVICE ON THE WEST SIDE OF DENTON NEAR THE AIRPORT. THAT'S EXPECTED TO SEE A LOT OF GROWTH, AND THEN THE NORTH BRANCH WATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, WHICH WOULD ALSO FUND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SEWER LINE ON THE WEST SIDE OF DENTON TO ACCOMMODATE THE EXPECTED GROWTH IN THE AREA. IN APRIL, CONGRESSMAN JACKSON'S OFFICE NOTIFIED US OF HIS INTENT TO INCLUDE THE NORTH MARSH BRANCH PROJECT IN HIS SUBMISSIONS TO THE HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE AT $4.3 MILLION, WHICH IS ABOUT 50% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT COST, AND THEN IN JUNE, WE HEARD FROM THE APPROPRIATIONS SUBCOMMITTEE, THEY RELEASED THEIR FUNDING TABLES FOR THE FY 2025 HUD, TRANSPORTATION, HUD, APPROPRIATIONS BILL, WHICH INCLUDED $2 MILLION FOR THE MARSH BRANCH WATER WASTEWATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. SO THE FY 2025 BUDGET WILL NOT BE FINALIZED UNTIL DECEMBER OR LATER. THE 2024 BUDGET PROCESS WAS NOT FINALIZED, I THINK UNTIL THIS EARLY SPRING. SO WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT SEVERAL MONTHS OUT, BUT STAFF WILL CONTINUE, CONTINUE TO MONITOR AND PROVIDE UPDATES TO COUNCIL AS THE BUDGET PROCESS MOVES FORWARD. AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO RALPH, WHO CAN TAKE US INTO SOME OF OUR 2024 ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND SOME OF OUR GRANTS THAT WE'VE BEEN GRANTED. WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON, RALPH KHABUSHAN WITH CAPITAL EDGE. AND DO I JUST USE THE MOUSE? SO JUST WANT TO HIT REALLY QUICKLY ON SOME 2024 ACCOMPLISHMENTS. I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT IN A FEW SLIDES ABOUT UNFINISHED BUSINESS, BUT BUT WE DID HAVE AN ACTIVE 2024 AND 2023. WE WORKED WITH EPA AND THE CITY CFO ON ON A WATER INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCE INNOVATION ACT. WIFIA LOAN FOR WATER AND SEWER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE CITY OF DENTON. WORKED WITH THE TEXAS PUBLIC POWER ASSOCIATION AND YOUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION WHO WERE REALLY THAT WAS A THAT WAS JUST A LOT OF HELP FROM YOUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION ON NEW EFFICIENCY STANDARDS FOR ELECTRIC DISTRIBUTION TRANSFORMERS. THAT'S A HARD ONE TO SAY THAT IN THE END, I THINK BALANCED INCREASED EFFICIENCY WITHOUT EXACERBATING ONGOING SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES FOR THOSE TRANSFORMERS. WE ARE WORKING AND WE'RE DOING THIS NOW. CHRISTY MENTIONED WE THAT CONGRESS HAS NOT FINALIZED THE FY 2025 BUDGET YET. WE ARE WORKING TO TRY TO GET SOME SOME FUNDING UNDER THE DEFENSE PRODUCTION ACT TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE SUPPLY 
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CHAIN ISSUES RELATED TO ELECTRIC DISTRIBUTION TRANSFORMERS. THE PRESIDENT HAS DECLARED THAT AN EMERGENCY UNDER THE DEFENSE PRODUCTION ACT, BUT ABSENT FUNDING, THERE'S NOT MUCH THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY CAN DO. WE'VE WORKED. I THINK YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH PFAS. THE EPA HAS DESIGNATED THAT AS A AS A SUBSTANCE TO BE TREATED UNDER THE SAFE DRINKING WATER ACT AND IS ALSO DESIGNATED AS A HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE UNDER SUPERFUND, WHICH COULD CREATE SOME PRETTY EXPENSIVE LIABILITY FOR THE CITY. WORKING ON LEGISLATION TO GET SOME LIABILITY RELIEF FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, FOR TAXPAYERS AND RATEPAYERS. AND THEN WORKING WITH THE AIRPORT ON ON FEDERAL FUNDING FOR SOME OF THEIR CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO UNFINISHED BUSINESS, THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF THE THEME. CONGRESS CAME BACK AFTER THE ELECTION TO FOR A LAME DUCK SESSION. THEY CAME BACK LAST WEEK AND THERE'S QUITE A LOT OF UNFINISHED BUSINESS THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT UNFINISHED BUSINESS BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE YEAR, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THAT WILL BE PUNTED TO 119TH CONGRESS, MOST NOTABLY. AND I AND I THINK THE BIGGEST IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW IS OPERATING UNDER A CONTINUING RESOLUTION. THEY HAVEN'T PASSED AN FY 2025 BUDGET OPERATING UNDER A CONTINUING RESOLUTION THAT EXPIRES ON DECEMBER 20TH. SO THE QUESTION RIGHT NOW IS, DO THEY PASS A BUDGET BEFORE DECEMBER 20TH? DO THEY PUNT IT INTO THE 119TH CONGRESS AT THIS POINT, THE SIGNS POINT TOWARDS A CONTINUING RESOLUTION THAT RUNS THROUGH MARCH. BUT IT'S REALLY I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT SPEAKER JOHNSON AND MAJORITY LEADER SCHUMER KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION QUITE YET RIGHT NOW. SO THAT THAT REMAINS TBD. SO AS I SAY, THEY'RE AS IT SAYS THERE AND AS CHRISTY SAID, THE EARLIEST THAT THEY'LL FINALIZE THE FY 2025 BUDGET IS, IS NEXT MONTH. BUT THAT COULD BLEED INTO MARCH. SO UNFINISHED BUSINESS I MENTIONED FY 2025 APPROPRIATIONS BILLS. THE DISASTER ASSISTANCE FUND IS DEPLETED AT FEMA, AT THE SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION, AT THE AT THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE. THE PRESIDENT JUST YESTERDAY SENT $100 BILLION SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS REQUEST TO CONGRESS. I THINK THEY WILL ACT ON THAT QUICKLY. I THINK THAT IS ONE PIECE OF BUSINESS THAT THEY'LL GET DONE QUICKLY BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. THE FARM BILL IS OPERATING ON A ONE YEAR EXTENSION. THE FARM BILL IS COVERS NOT JUST FARM SUBSIDIES, BUT BUT NUTRITION PROGRAMS AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS. THE LONG LAST LONG TERM AUTHORIZATION OF THAT EXPIRED LAST YEAR. IT THEY PASSED A ONE YEAR EXTENSION. 
          THERE IS NEWS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS THAT THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER ON A FARM BILL BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, BUT THAT'S STILL, I KNOW I AGREE WITH THAT WAS MY REACTION TO I WAS LIKE, I WOULDN'T HAVE PREDICTED THAT ONE, BUT BUT THEY MIGHT BE CLOSE TO ACTUALLY DOING A LONG TERM REAUTHORIZATION OF THE FARM BILL BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR. THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM, THAT IS A PERENNIAL PROBLEM CHILD. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THAT BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR, AND THEY'LL PROBABLY JUST DO ANOTHER ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF CURRENT LAW. THAT PROGRAM FACES A $20 BILLION DEBT AND THE WAY TO ADDRESS THAT IS MATHEMATICALLY EASY. BUT POLITICALLY DIFFICULT. AND THE TAX BILL I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. I'LL KIND OF GO PAST THAT. BUT THEY THEY MIGHT ALSO TRY TO FINISH WORK ON COMPREHENSIVE MENTAL HEALTH LEGISLATION. I THINK A WATER RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT ACT. THAT'S WHAT AUTHORIZES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, CIVIL WORKS PROJECTS. THAT IS A STRONG CANDIDATE TO GET DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. AND THEN THESE LAST TWO ARE TWO THAT GIVE ME REAL PAUSE. 
          JOB TRAINING REAUTHORIZATION. THE HOUSE HAS PASSED A JOB TRAINING REAUTHORIZATION BILL. 
          THEY PASSED IT WITH A STRONG BIPARTISAN MAJORITY AT 300. SOME VOTES IN FAVOR OF IT, 99.5% OF THAT BILL IS JUST A STANDARD REAUTHORIZATION OF JOB TRAINING PROGRAMS. THERE'S ONE PROVISION IN THAT BILL THAT WOULD GIVE THE GOVERNORS ALMOST UNILATERAL AUTHORITY TO ABOLISH LOCAL WORKFORCE INVESTMENT BOARDS. SO IF WORKFORCE REAUTHORIZATION IS SOMETHING THAT MOVES IN THE LAME DUCK, THAT HAS TO BE A PRIORITY FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO PRESERVE LOCAL WORKFORCE INVESTMENT BOARDS AND THEN TELECOM PREEMPTION, THE HOUSE ENERGY AND COMMERCE COMMITTEE HAS APPROVED A REALLY BROAD TELECOM PREEMPTION BILL. IF THERE'S LOCAL GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY WITH TELECOMMUNICATIONS, THIS BILL WOULD PREEMPT IT. SO I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO GO FORWARD. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S THE INDUSTRY IS PUSHING HARD TO GET THAT ATTACHED TO SOME FINAL PIECE OF LEGISLATION BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. I DON'T THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO REMAIN VIGILANT TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. SO I SAID UNFINISHED BUSINESS. DECEMBER 20TH. THERE ARE BILLS THAT WILL MOVE THE DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION BILL, POSSIBLY A BUDGET. OTHERS, THEY'RE TEEING UP A BIG OMNIBUS LANDS BILL. SO ANY OF THESE 
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COULD BE THE LAST TRAIN OUT OF TOWN TO WHICH THEY TRY TO ATTACH OTHER BILLS. AND WE JUST HAVE TO REMAIN VIGILANT ON THOSE. SO PRIORITIES, I THINK THE PREVENTING LIMITING CUTS TO CORE LOCAL GOVERNMENT GRANT PROGRAMS SUCH AS CDBG, HOME, UAC, SHOULD THE FY 2025 BUDGET MOVE REPLENISHING THE DISASTER ASSISTANCE FUND, NOT ANY DIRECT IMPACT ON DENTON RIGHT NOW, KNOCK ON WOOD, BUT BUT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO BE WELL FUNDED AND THEN KEEPING THE TELECOM PREEMPTION BILL OUT OF ANY MUST PASS BILL. AND IF JOB TRAINING REAUTHORIZATION MOVES PRESERVING LOCAL WORKFORCE INVESTMENT BOARDS. SO REGULATIONS. AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE JUST NOW THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS PURSUED A PRETTY AGGRESSIVE REGULATORY AGENDA. AND I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO PRESERVE A PRETTY STRONG DEREGULATORY AGENDA. AND, YOU KNOW, FROM A LOCAL GOVERNMENT PERSPECTIVE AND FROM OTHER REGULATED ENTITIES, THAT'S JUST KIND OF THIS WHIPLASH BETWEEN BETWEEN DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT REGULATIONS, PARTICULARLY FOR THE CITY ON FAIR HOUSING WATERS OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE DEFINITION OF THAT UNDER THE CLEAN WATER ACT. BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE FINAL REGULATIONS AND PENDING REGULATIONS THAT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS ISSUED. I THINK SOME OF THESE WILL SURVIVE A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. OTHERS, SUCH AS THE OSHA HEAT STANDARD, I THINK ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE REPEALED PRETTY QUICKLY, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS. AND I MENTIONED WATERS OF THE UNITED STATES. I THINK THAT THAT THE NEW THE PRESIDENT ELECT WILL INSTALL HIS OWN VERSION OF THAT AND ALSO FAIR HOUSING AND THEN I HAVE IN RED, BECAUSE THESE ARE THE TWO I MENTIONED, THE ELECTION. WE HAVE A NEW ADMINISTRATION, THE SUPREME COURT, CHEVRON DECISION. CHEVRON WAS A PREVIOUS SUPREME COURT CASE THAT SAID, IN INSTANCES WHERE THE STATUTE IS NOT CLEAR, FEDERAL COURTS MUST GIVE DEFERENCE TO THE AGENCY EXPERTISE ON THE REGULATED ISSUE. CHEVRON HAS BEEN OVERTURNED. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN IMMEDIATE EFFECT FROM CHEVRON. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE CHALLENGED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. THERE ARE ALREADY A NUMBER OF CASES QUEUED UP FOR THIS SUPREME COURT TERM, CHALLENGING SEVERAL REGULATIONS. SO CHEVRON AND THE IMPACT OF THE OVERTURNING OF CHEVRON WILL BE WE'LL SEE THE IMPACTS OF THAT OVER THE COMING YEARS. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THE 119TH CONGRESS THAT YOU SEE THE AND I THINK EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH THESE ELECTION RESULTS. THE SENATE IS HAS FLIPPED. AND IF ALL CURRENT LEADS STAND AND I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE RACE THAT'S NOT QUITE YET CALLED, BUT BUT IT WILL GO FROM A 51 TO 49 MAJORITY FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO 53 TO 47 MAJORITY FOR THE REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE. THE REPUBLICANS RETAINED CONTROL, BUT IT CONTINUES TO BE BY A VERY TIGHT MARGIN. WHEN CHRISTINE, I PREPARED THIS POWERPOINT, WE HAD 222 TO 213 ONE RACE. NOW, IS THERE STILL COUNTING I MY JOKE IS THEY COUNT VOTES BY ABACUS IN CALIFORNIA BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OUTSTANDING RACES IN CALIFORNIA, BUT IT LOOKS MORE LIKE IT COULD BE 221 TO 214. EITHER WAY, THAT'S A VERY SLIM MAJORITY. AND SO, SO THE HOUSE WILL CONTINUE TO FACE SOME CHALLENGES MOVING SOME LEGISLATION. SO JUST SOME KEY DATES FOR THE 119TH CONGRESS. MY THE FIRST IS MY FAVORITE ON JANUARY FIRST, THE SUSPENSION OF THE DEBT LIMIT EXPIRES. HAPPY NEW YEAR 119TH CONGRESS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT ON DECEMBER 1ST, THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT CAN'T MEET ITS OBLIGATIONS. THAT'S BUT THAT'S WHEN THE TREASURY HAS TO START TO TAKE WHAT THEY CALL EXTRAORDINARY MEASURES TO MEET THEIR ONGOING FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS. JANUARY 3RD, THE 119TH CONGRESS IS SWORN IN. 20TH, THE PRESIDENT IS INAUGURATED. CHRISTY MENTIONED EARMARKS. FEBRUARY TO APRIL IS WHEN CONGRESS WILL PROBABLY START THE PROCESS OF ACCEPTING EARMARK REQUESTS. SO REALLY AND I'LL MENTION THIS AT THE END, BUT NOW IS PROBABLY THE TIME TO START PREPARING THOSE APRIL THROUGH SEPTEMBER IS WHEN THEY'LL WORK ON THE FY 2026 BUDGET, AND THAT YOU'LL NOTICE THAT FEBRUARY, APRIL AND APRIL TO SEPTEMBER. IF THEY DO INDEED PUNT THE FY 2025 BUDGET INTO MARCH, THAT REALLY CROWDS THE SCHEDULE AND REALLY THROWS THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEES A CURVE BECAUSE THEY THEY BARELY FINISH WORKING ON ONE BUDGET AND THEY HAVE TO IMMEDIATELY START WORKING ON THE NEXT. AND THEN OCTOBER 1ST, 2025, FY 2026 BEGINS. AND THEN THIS IS AN IMPORTANT DATE, AND IT'S GOING TO PLAY A LOT INTO THE AGENDA EARLY ON. AT THE END OF THE YEAR, SEVERAL PROVISIONS FROM THE TAX CUT AND JOBS ACT OF 2017 EXPIRE. AND THEN THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, ENHANCED SUBSIDIES UNDER THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT ALSO EXPIRE. AND I THINK THOSE TWO ITEMS IN PARTICULAR ARE GOING TO DRIVE A 
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LOT OF A LOT OF LEGISLATION. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THE 119TH CONGRESS. THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT I CAN SAY WITH A LOT OF CERTAINTY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO A TAX BILL. AND I THINK IN THE WAKE OF THE ELECTION, THEY'RE GOING TO DO A TAX BILL A LOT MORE QUICKLY THAN WE PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT. THE INFRASTRUCTURE LAW, THAT WAS A $1.2 TRILLION BILL, ABOUT HALF OF THAT WAS THE REGULAR REAUTHORIZATION OF HIGHWAY TRANSIT PROGRAMS THAT EXPIRES AT THE END OF 2026. SO WE KNOW THE NEXT CONGRESS IS GOING TO START WORKING ON ON THE ON THE NEXT HIGHWAY TRANSIT BILL. AND THEN, OF COURSE, LIKE EVERY YEAR I MENTIONED IN THE SCHEDULE, THEY'RE GOING TO WORK ON THE FY 2026 BUDGET, INCLUDING EARMARK REQUEST. SO THE TAX BILL AT THIS POINT, I SAID, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE WITH THE TAX BILL VERY QUICKLY. I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO I WHEN THEY COME IN JANUARY, I THINK THEY WILL PASS A BUDGET RESOLUTION THAT'S GOING TO HAVE RECONCILIATION INSTRUCTIONS. AND PRETTY QUICKLY AFTER THAT, THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE A BUDGET RECONCILIATION BILL THAT WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY EXTEND ALL OF THE EXPIRING 2017 TAX CUTS, PROBABLY IN INCLUDE SOME FUNDING FOR IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND COULD INCLUDE A LOT OF OTHER PROVISIONS. AND I INCLUDE THIS CHART IS FROM THE COMMITTEE FOR A RESPONSIBLE FEDERAL BUDGET. THEY DID ESTIMATES FOR BOTH PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES AND THEIR MEDIUM ESTIMATE FOR WHAT, WHAT MOST OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PRESIDENT ELECT TRUMP'S TAX PROPOSALS WOULD COST IS $7.7 TRILLION, $8 TRILLION OVER TEN YEARS. THE HIGH ESTIMATE IS CLOSE TO $16 TRILLION OVER TEN YEARS. SO, SO THIS IS AN EXPENSIVE TAX BILL, WHICH MEANS THAT CONGRESS IS GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR OFFSETS ANYTIME THEY'RE MOVING A TAX BILL THAT EXPENSIVE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR OFFSETS TO GET REVENUE OR SAVINGS FROM SOME OTHER PLACES. AND I THINK FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, ANYTIME THEY MOVE A TAX BILL, I WORRY ABOUT THE TAX EXEMPTION FOR MUNICIPAL BONDS WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING FOR OFFSETS OF THAT MAGNITUDE. I'M VERY WORRIED ABOUT THE TAX EXEMPTION FOR MUNICIPAL BONDS. 
          AND A MONTH AGO I THOUGHT, WELL, THEY WON'T REALLY GET TO A TAX BILL UNTIL THE SUMMER. WE HAVE SOME TIME TO EDUCATE CONGRESS ABOUT WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT. THAT TIMELINE HAS NOW BEEN ACCELERATED GOING INTO THE 2017 TAX BILL. WE HAD A LOT OF TIME. WE DID A LOT OF EDUCATING. 
          DEBORAH AND I WERE BOTH INVOLVED. ONE OF THE MAYORS WE WORKED FOR WAS THE CHAIR OF MUNICIPAL BONDS FOR AMERICA. SO WE DID A LOT OF EDUCATING OF CAPITOL HILL STAFF. WE DID MUNI BONDS ONE ON ONE SESSIONS, MULTIPLE TIMES ON THE HOUSE AND SENATE SIDES. WE MET WITH MEMBERS OF THE WAYS AND MEANS AND FINANCE COMMITTEES. MOST CONGRESSIONAL STAFFERS NOW WERE PROBABLY IN HIGH SCHOOL OR COLLEGE IN 2017. SO THOSE EFFORTS HAVE TO BE REDONE, AND THEY HAVE TO BE REDONE, I THINK IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. WHEN CHRISTIE TALKED ABOUT DME, SHE MENTIONED REINSTATING ADVANCED REFUNDING OF MUNICIPAL BONDS. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE GIVEN THE SEARCH FOR OFFSETS. BUT CERTAINLY ONE THE SALT DEDUCTION, THE 2017 TAX BILL CAPPED THAT AT $10,000. THAT'S THE STATE AND LOCAL TAX DEDUCTION. ON THE CAMPAIGN. 
          PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID HE WANTED TO ELIMINATE THAT CAP. DOING SO. DOING SO WILL COST THE TREASURY A LOT OF MONEY. AND IT'S ALSO INTERESTINGLY, A GIFT TO TAXPAYERS IN NEW YORK, CONNECTICUT, CALIFORNIA, MASSACHUSETTS. YOU GET THE TREND OF WHAT KINDS OF STATES THOSE ARE. AND THEN I THINK PRESERVING THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, DIRECT PAY, CLEAN TAX INCENTIVES, CLEAN ENERGY TAX INCENTIVES IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER PRIORITY. BUT I THINK I PUT MUNICIPAL BONDS IN ITALICS AND BOLDS BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS THAT IS AN EXISTENTIAL ONE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. LOOKING FORWARD, I MENTIONED THE INFRASTRUCTURE LAW EXPIRES AT THE END OF FY 2026. THE NEXT CONGRESS WILL START WORK ON ITS SUCCESSOR. IF HISTORY IS ANY GUIDE, THEY WON'T GET THAT DONE ON TIME, BUT THEY'LL LAY THE GROUNDWORK FOR ITS SUCCESSOR BILL AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT PRIORITIES ARE OUR LOCALIZATION OF THE HIGHWAY PROGRAM TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN DO THAT, THE INFRASTRUCTURE LAW CREATED A NEW PROGRAM. THE SAFE STREETS AND ROADS FOR ALL PROGRAM. DENTON HAS RECEIVED A GRANT UNDER THAT PROGRAM. THAT'S $1 BILLION A YEAR FOR LOCAL INVESTMENTS. STATE DOTS CAN APPLY FOR THAT MONEY. ONLY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN ON SAFE STREETS AND ROADS FOR ALL. PRESERVING THE TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES PROGRAM. I THINK, WILL BE A PRIORITY. THAT'S THE PROGRAM THAT FUNDS RECREATIONAL TRAILS AND SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOLS. DENTON HAS DONE WELL UNDER THAT PROGRAM, INCLUDING THE PECAN CREEK TRAIL AND THEN PRESERVATION OF THE FEDERAL TRANSIT PROGRAM, AND THAT I COVERED A LOT OF TERRITORY REALLY QUICKLY. SO HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. SO YOU SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED THE FARM 
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BILL AND THE IRA CREDITS THERE AT THE END. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE LIKELIHOOD, I MEAN, CONSIDERING SO MANY OF OUR NUTRITION PROGRAMS FOR FOOD INSUFFICIENCY, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THAT DENTON DOES, BUT OTHER REGIONAL PROVIDERS DO. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE ODDS OF THAT GETTING CARRIED FORWARD ARE? AND RE-ENABLED? I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE NEWS IN THE LAST FEW DAYS IS, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE HAS PASSED ITS FARM BILL, AND THEN THE SENATE THIS WEEK RELEASED THE SENATE AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE THIS WEEK RELEASED THEIR VERSION OF IT. BETTER LATE THAN NEVER. I GUESS. I THINK WHAT'S DRIVING THAT IS, IS THE HOUSE BILL WAS WAS PRETTY BIPARTISAN. AND I THINK THE DEMOCRATS AND THE SENATE PROBABLY CORRECTLY BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN GET A BETTER DEAL NOW THAN THEY CAN NEXT YEAR. SO THAT'S KIND OF DRIVING. AND THEN ALSO JUST THE GENERAL DESIRE TO NOT PUNT TOO MUCH UNFINISHED BUSINESS TO THE NEXT CONGRESS. I THINK THOSE ARE ALL KIND OF PUSHING TOWARDS THE A FARM BILL BEING ENACTED BEFORE THE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. AND I HAVE A SIMILAR QUESTION ON THAT. YOU MENTIONED THE TAX CREDITS THAT YEAR. SO, SO MANY PROGRAMS, YOU KNOW, REGIONALLY ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THOSE. AND I DON'T I DON'T JUST MEAN LIKE RESIDENTIAL TAX CREDITS, BUT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT GRANTS AND ARE THOSE ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK OR THEY'RE LIKELY TO GET RENEWED. SO THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MASSIVE BILL. IT'S A HEALTH CARE BILL. IT, IT IT'S A DRUG BILL, PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. IT'S ALSO A CLEAN ENERGY BILL. AND IT HAD SOME GRANT PROGRAMS FOR CLEAN ENERGY. THE ADMINISTRATION IS MOVING VERY QUICKLY TO GET THAT MONEY OUT. 
          SO IT CAN'T BE RECAPTURED. AND THOSE ARE MOSTLY ONE TIME GRANTS. BUT THEN A BIG PART OF THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT IS, IS A LOT OF CLEAN ENERGY TAX INCENTIVES, INCLUDING 12 SPECIFICALLY THAT CONGRESS SAID THESE 12 TAX INCENTIVES, THE CLEAN ENERGY INVESTMENT TAX CREDIT, CLEAN ENERGY PRODUCTION TAX CREDIT, AND THE ALTERNATIVE FUELS ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLES TAX CREDIT AND A BUNCH OF OTHERS, THEY SAID. LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND OTHER ENTITIES WITHOUT TAX LIABILITY CAN CLAIM THESE TAX INCENTIVES AND THESE TAX. IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK A BECAUSE THEY BRING IN A LOT OF REVENUE AND B BECAUSE THEY ARE SEEN AS PARTIZAN. BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING, RATHER THEY'RE ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK BECAUSE ELIMINATING THEM WOULD BRING A LOT OF REVENUE. THEY'RE COSTING THE TREASURY A LOT OF MONEY. BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS, IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP OF WHERE BOTH PRIVATE SECTOR AND NONPROFIT AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WHERE THESE INVESTMENTS SPURRED BY THESE TAX CREDITS ARE GOING, THEY'RE GOING TO PREDOMINANTLY REPUBLICAN STATES. TEXAS HAS DONE VERY WELL UNDER THESE TAX INCENTIVES. WEST VIRGINIA HAS DONE VERY WELL. KANSAS HAS DONE VERY WELL. SO AND PARTICULARLY IN STATES LIKE WEST VIRGINIA, THEY'RE CREATING A LOT OF JOBS WHERE THERE WEREN'T MANY JOBS PREVIOUSLY. SO POLITICALLY, IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THEY CAN REPEAL THESE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS. IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THEY SURVIVE. OKAY. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT RONNY JACKSON. SURE. AND THE GOOD WORK THAT HE'S DONE REGARDING THE TRANSFORMERS. AND THE QUESTION NOW BECOMES THE OTHER TWO ISSUES THAT WE ASK FOR HIM TO TAKE A LOOK AT. AM I GETTING THAT CORRECT? IT WAS TWO OTHER. CAN YOU. OH, THE FUNDING HE GOT FOR MY BRANCH. YES. THOSE TWO THAT ONE. AND THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE FOR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. LET'S GO BACK TO THAT. OH LOOK AT YOU. THAT'S HOW YOU DO THAT. YEAH. THAT. NO THAT. RIGHT THERE DIDN'T PD SPECIAL EVENT DOWNTOWN. IS THAT GOING TO BE IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO. THE OTHER TWO. ARE WE SO UNDER UNDER THE HOUSE RULES. YEAH. EACH EACH HOUSE MEMBER IS LIMITED TO 15 REQUESTS FOR THEIR WHOLE DISTRICT OKAY. AND SO WE SUBMITTED THREE REQUESTS TO REPRESENTATIVE JACKSON AND HE CHOSE ONE OF OUR THREE. AND HE CHOSE ONE OF THE THREE OKAY. SO AND THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE WASTEWATER. RIGHT IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, WHICH I'M JUST SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I'M JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS MAGNIFICENT GROWTH THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE GOING TOWARD THE WEST. AND SO IT WAS REQUESTED 6.9, AND WE ENDED UP WITH TWO. 
          AND THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD FOR THIS PROCESS. OH, IT'S PRETTY STANDARD BECAUSE I WAS IT'S AT THE 6.9. IS THAT A OVER OVER ASK. THAT WAS OUR THAT AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE DO. THAT'S IN AND NOT JUST WE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY SUBMIT THESE REQUESTS. YEAH. SO ARE WE 
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GETTING WHAT WE ACTUALLY NEED. YOU KNOW. SO I KNOW WE HAVE A WANT AND THEN WE HAVE THE NEED. 
          SO ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HEAR THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE THE TWO WILL SUFFICE FOR NOW. 
          ARE WE OKAY WITH TWO? I THINK THAT THAT THE APPEAL OF THIS REQUEST FOR REPRESENTATIVE JACKSON. SO IF YOU'RE A MEMBER OF CONGRESS, IF YOU IF YOU OBTAIN AN EARMARK AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO YOU CAN ONLY CHOOSE 15 FOR YOUR WHOLE DISTRICT, OKAY. SO YOU WANT IT TO BE 15 THAT YOU KNOW ARE GOING TO HAPPEN. OKAY. AND I THINK THE APPEAL OF THIS ONE WAS THAT, THAT IF HE GOT HIS $2 MILLION, WE COULD STILL COMPLETE THE PROJECT. OKAY. AND, AND THAT AND THAT THAT'S CREDIT TO THE CITY STAFF AS WELL. OKAY. MY MIND ENDEAVORS. WORST NIGHTMARE IS WHEN OUR CLIENTS ASK FOR A PROJECT THAT IF THEY DON'T GET THE FULL AMOUNT, CAN'T MOVE FORWARD. OKAY, THAT'S THAT'S THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GETTING THAT. GETTING THAT TAKEN CARE OF. AND SO MY OTHER QUESTION IS SO WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO HIM AGAIN. AND WE'RE GOING TO STAY WITH THESE OTHER TWO. HOW DOES THAT WORK FOR US. 
          YEAH. SO WE'LL GO THROUGH A PROCESS THE SAME THAT WE DID THIS YEAR IN COLLECTING THESE, WORKING WITH EACH OF THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS TO KIND OF GATHER WHAT PROJECTS THEY HAVE ON THE HORIZON AND WHERE THE NEEDS ARE, WILL COMPILE A LIST OF PROJECTS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE THAT WE THINK MIGHT BE A GOOD FIT AND KIND OF CULL THROUGH THEM AND NARROW THEM DOWN TO 1 TO 3 OPTIONS FOR NEXT YEAR. SO WE LIKELY WILL NOT UTILIZE THESE SAME PROJECTS. IT'LL BE DIFFERENT PROJECTS, BUT I WILL SAY TO YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION, THESE ARE ALL EXISTING PROJECTS THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO TAKE ON REGARDLESS OF FEDERAL FUNDING. SO IT'S JUST A GREAT BENEFIT FOR THE CITY TO HAVE THE FEDERAL WHAT WE HAVE. AND THESE PROJECTS WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD AT WHATEVER PACE THEY NEED TO FOR US TO FUND THEM. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THAT'S WHAT I HAD. I APPRECIATE IT, AND I WILL SAY THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE. JUST AS A GENERAL AS WE IDENTIFY OUR REQUESTS FOR NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A NEW HOUSE MEMBER WHO MIGHT ALSO ACCEPT, EARMARK REQUEST. AND IT'S IMPORTANT WE BE AWARE OF DISTRICT LINES. MEMBERS ARE VERY WARY OF ASKING FOR, EVEN IF IT BENEFITS A CITY THEY REPRESENT, IF IT'S OUTSIDE OF THEIR DISTRICT THEY WANT, THEY'RE VERY WARY OF DOING SOMETHING IN A IN ONE OF THEIR COLLEAGUES DISTRICTS. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. THANK YOU. MAYOR DEBORAH RALPH. THANK YOU GUYS FOR TRAVELING DOWN TO FROM DC FOR THIS TO PICK UP RIGHT WHERE COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD LEFT OFF. TALK ME THROUGH THE PROCESS AND IN APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. SO AS YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, WE ASKED FOR SEVEN. HE SAID HE'D FIGHT FOR FOUR. WE ENDED UP GETTING TWO. DOES EACH MEMBER IS THAT MORE SENIORITY BASED? DOES EACH MEMBER GET KIND OF AN ASSUMED AMOUNT BASED ON GEOGRAPHIC SIZE VERSUS POPULATION SIZE? BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S ROUGHLY EQUAL FOR THE MEMBERS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO THE 15 PROJECTS EVERY MEMBER FROM THE SPEAKER TO THE MOST JUNIOR MEMBER CAN SUBMIT 15. BUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. YEAH, THAT THAT SENIORITY AND WHETHER YOU'RE ON THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE DOES PLAY. SO A MORE SENIOR MEMBER, A SENIOR APPROPRIATOR IS GOING TO HAVE MORE MONEY TO SPREAD AMONG HIS OR HER 15 THAN A FRESHMAN MEMBER OF CONGRESS IS SO. BUT THE RANGE AND YOU SEE, WE GOT $2 MILLION. THAT'S KIND OF THE SWEET SPOT. IF THIS IS JUST A WILD GUESS. 
          BUT AS I LOOK AT THE LIST OF EARMARKS IN THE IN THE HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS BILLS, JUST LOOKING AT THEM, I WOULD SAY IF YOU AVERAGE IT, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT $2 MILLION. IS THE AVERAGE SIZE OF AN EARMARK AFTER THE BUDGET IS FINALIZED, HOW AND WHEN? IF PASSED, WOULD THE MONEY COME TO THE CITY? THAT'S HOW DOES HOW DOES THAT WORK? I, I DON'T MEAN TO MAKE LIGHT OF IT. 
          SO IN THIS CASE, THE, THE, THE FUNDING THAT REPRESENTATIVE JACKSON SECURED COMES OUT OF THE HUD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVE. AND, AND THERE'S PROBABLY EACH YEAR ABOUT 400 PROJECTS UNDER THE HUD ACCOUNT. SO THAT'S A THAT'S A THAT'S SO IT TAKES SOME TIME BEFORE THE CITY ACTUALLY DRAWS DOWN THE MONEY. ALTHOUGH SINCE THE EARMARKS CAME BACK IN FY 2022, HUD IS HAS HUD AND OTHER AGENCIES HAVE GOTTEN FASTER AND FASTER AT GETTING THE MONEY OUT? BUT IT DOES TAKE IF THEY FINALIZE WELL, THEY FINALIZED FY 2024 IN MARCH. AND I THINK HUD IS STARTING TO AWARD SOME OF THE FY 2024 MONEY NOW. SO SIX MONTHS, SEVEN MONTHS. OKAY. BUT 
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IT COULD TAKE LONGER AS WELL. IS THERE A CUTOFF TO WHERE IT HAS TO BE DONE BY DEPENDING ON THE ACCOUNT. SO I THINK FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU GET AN EARMARK UNDER EPA STATE AND TRIBAL ASSISTANCE GRANTS, I THINK YOU HAVE THREE YEARS TO OBLIGATE THAT MONEY. I THINK HUD EDDIES IS A COUPLE OF YEARS LONGER THAN THAT. BUT YEAH, THERE IS A TIME OF HIGHWAY MONEY IS THREE YEARS, TRANSIT MONEY IS THREE YEARS. OKAY. SO THANKS VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WORK. OF COURSE, REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT THREE. YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS ON FARM BILL. I'M PERFECTLY WILLING TO TAKE YES FOR AN ANSWER, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN THAT IT'S LIKELY TO COME TOGETHER. MY CONCERN FOLLOWS CONVERSATION I HAD WITH THE DIRECTOR OF TARRANT AREA FOOD BANK AT AN EVENT A NUMBER OF US WERE AT, AT THEIR, I THINK, 97TH SCHOOL BASED FOOD PANTRY OPENING, WHERE THE DIRECTOR SAID THAT OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY AREN'T NECESSARILY EXPERIENCING WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING, WHERE THEY'VE TENDED TO RETURN TO PRE-PANDEMIC LEVELS OF NEED, WHEREAS BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH HERE, COMBINED WITH THE HOUSING SHORTAGE, YOUR HOUSING AFFORDABILITY ISSUE, THE NEED IS STILL VERY HIGH. SO YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'M ASKING, IS THERE, YOU KNOW, DOES IT DO WE NEED TO ADD ANY EXTRA LITTLE BIT OF IMPETUS TO HAVE IT COME TOGETHER OR IT'S GOING TO COME TOGETHER? I THINK IT'S GOING TO, IF NOT BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR, I THINK IT WILL COME TOGETHER. AND I SHOULDN'T SAY. BUT GENERALLY CONGRESS HAS NEVER LET THOSE PROGRAMS LAPSE. SO IF THEY CAN'T GET A BILL DONE, THEY'VE ALWAYS EXTENDED THEM. YEAH. AND SO THEY'LL THEY'LL ALMOST CERTAINLY EXTEND THOSE PROGRAMS IF THEY CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT. SO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM AND THE SCHOOL BREAKFAST PROGRAM AND SNAP ARE ARE UNLIKELY TO JUST END. CONGRESS WILL PASS AN EXTENSION. I SAID IT WOULD TAKE YES FOR AN ANSWER. SO OKAY. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SEE YOU DEBORAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. SAFE TRAVELS TAKES US 
          [B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding Audit Project 037 - Community Housing Initiatives.
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TO ITEM B ID 232458. RECEIVE REPORT AND HOLD DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING AUDIT AUDIT PROJECT 037 COMMUNITY HOUSING INITIATIVES. NO MAYOR AND COUNCIL MADISON WARSHAW DENTON CITY AUDITOR HERE TO PRESENT OUR FINDINGS FROM THE FROM OUR AUDIT OF THE CITY'S HOUSING INITIATIVES. ALL RIGHT. SO IN GENERAL, SAFE, STABLE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROMOTES THE LONG TERM WELL-BEING AND QUALITY OF LIFE OF A COMMUNITY'S RESIDENTS AND HELPS TO REDUCE DEMAND FOR EMERGENCY INTERVENTION INTERVENTION SERVICES, DECREASING OVERALL COSTS IN THE LONG TERM ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN WORKING TO IMPROVE PEOPLE'S ACCESS TO QUALITY HOUSING THROUGH VARIOUS FEDERALLY FUNDED ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS FOR DECADES. COMMUNITY HOUSING INITIATIVES ARE GENERALLY AIMED AT INCREASING HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, IMPROVING LIVING CONDITIONS, AND PREVENTING LOSS OF HOUSING DUE TO ECONOMIC ISSUES, THE CITY OF DENTON HAS CREATED PLANS AND PROGRAMS TO ASSIST ITS RESIDENTS WITH HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, WHICH HAS BEEN PARTICULARLY IMPACTED BY RENTAL HOUSING SHORTAGES, RISING DEVELOPMENT COSTS, STAGNANT INCOMES AND AFFORDABILITY CHALLENGES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. THIS AUDIT GENERALLY EVALUATED THE CITY'S COMMUNITY HOUSING INITIATIVES, INCLUDING EFFORTS TO INCREASE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND HOUSING ASSISTANCE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT, AND GRANT COMPLIANCE. SO I'LL BEGIN BY DISCUSSING THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO ADDRESS THESE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY TRENDS. IN FEBRUARY OF 2022, THE CITY OF DENTON ADOPTED AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING STRATEGIC TOOLKIT, WHICH, PER BEST PRACTICES, IS AIMED AT ADDRESSING THE RESIDENTIAL MARKET DEMANDS AND HOUSING NEEDS FOR THE CITY. THE TOOLKIT OUTLINES FIVE STRATEGIES WITH ACCOMPANYING ACTIVITIES TO HELP FOSTER HOUSING DEVELOPMENT OVER THE NEXT DECADE, AND WHICH ARE GENERALLY AIMED AT ADDRESSING AFFORDABILITY ISSUES AS OUTLINED IN THE TABLE ON THE SLIDE. OVER THE FIRST FEW YEARS OF THE PLAN, COMMUNITY SERVICES HAS COMPLETED AND BEGUN SOME TASKS WITHIN EACH OF THE STRATEGIC AREAS, INCLUDING CREATING GRANTS FOR NONPROFITS AND LANDLORDS TO IMPROVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS, LAYING THE GROUNDWORK FOR CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ZONING RELIEF THROUGH TRAINING, AND BEGINNING TO CREATE LONGER TERM INCENTIVES AND PROGRAMS TO CREATE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          MAJOR TASKS THAT SHOULD BE INTRODUCED OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS INCLUDE CREATING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING OVERLAY DISTRICT, ESTABLISHING A LOW INCOME HOME OWNERSHIP PROGRAM, AND DEVELOPING AN EVICTION PREVENTION PROGRAM. WHILE FUNDS FOR THESE PROJECTS WERE INITIALLY LIMITED, THE VOTER APPROVED 2023 BOND PROGRAM ALLOCATED $15 MILLION TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING INITIATIVES TO BE DISTRIBUTED EVENLY OVER THE NEXT THREE FISCAL YEARS. 
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STILL APPROVED BOND FUNDING IS LIMITED AND NOT NECESSARILY SUSTAINABLE, AS IT DEPENDS ON VOTER APPROVAL AND ADDITIONAL DEBT ISSUANCE. FOR THESE REASONS, WE RECOMMENDED COMMUNITY SERVICE CONTINUE COORDINATING WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL SUSTAINABLE FUNDING SOURCES TO ENSURE THE STRATEGIC TOOLKIT CAN BE COMPLETELY IMPLEMENTED IN THE LONG TERM. FINALLY, WHILE THE DEPARTMENT HAS ADEQUATE PROCESSES TO TRACK ITS PROGRESS ON INDIVIDUAL TOOLKIT INITIATIVES, IT'S NOT YET IMPLEMENTED. A PROCESS TO MEASURE AND REPORT ON HOW THE TOOLKIT IMPACTS OUTCOMES SUCH AS ACTUAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UNIT PRODUCTION. ACCORDING TO THEIR MANAGEMENT RESPONSES. COMMUNITY SERVICES HAS BEEN WORKING TO BUILD A STRATEGIC TOOLKIT DASHBOARD THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND WILL BEGIN REPORTING REPORTING ON KEY OUTCOMES ANNUALLY IN FISCAL YEAR 2025. IN ADDITION TO ADDRESSING MORE STRUCTURAL, AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUES THROUGH THE TOOLKIT, THE CITY CURRENTLY DIRECTLY MANAGES THREE HOUSING ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS FUNDED THROUGH FEDERAL GRANTS. THESE PROGRAMS GENERALLY ASSIST HOMEOWNERS OR PROPERTY OWNERS WITH ESSENTIAL REPAIRS AND ACCESSIBILITY MODIFICATIONS, OR FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS WITH DOWN PAYMENTS OR OTHER CLOSING COSTS. 
          THE REQUIREMENTS FOR EACH OF THESE PROGRAMS ALIGNS WITH FEDERAL FEDERAL REGULATIONS, AS WELL AS OTHER TEXAS CITIES. BASED ON OUR REVIEW FOR THE 2020 2022 CONSOLIDATED PLAN, THE CITY HAS A GOAL HAD A GOAL TO ASSIST 123 HOUSEHOLDS OVER THREE YEARS WITH ITS HOUSING ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS AND MUST MAINTAIN AN ANNUAL SPENDING RATIO BASED ON OUR VIEW, THE CITY ASSISTED 176 HOUSEHOLDS THROUGH ITS DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY MANAGED HOUSING PROGRAMS, AS SHOWN IN THE TABLE. 
          IN ADDITION, DURING PROGRAM YEAR 2022 AND 2023, THE CITY SPENT ABOUT 60% OF ITS AWARDED FUNDS, ALLOWING IT TO MAINTAIN THE REQUIRED ANNUAL SPENDING RATIO OF 1.5. IN ADDITION, BASED ON A SURVEY OF INDIVIDUALS WHO APPLIED FOR THE MINOR HOME REPAIR PROGRAM, 90% INDICATED THAT THE PROGRAM ASSISTED THEM WITH THEIR IMMEDIATE HOUSING NEEDS, AND 93 INDICATED 93% INDICATED THEY WOULD APPLY AGAIN IF NEEDED, INDICATING THAT THE PROGRAM IS GENERALLY EFFECTIVE WHEN USED STILL DURING CALENDAR YEAR 2023, THE CITY DID NOT RECEIVE ANY APPLICATIONS FOR ITS RENTAL, REPAIR, OR HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS, SEEMINGLY DUE TO ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA THAT WERE NOT EFFECTIVE. COMMUNITY SERVICES HAS SINCE STARTED UPDATING THIS CRITERIA, INCLUDING REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT THAT RENTAL PROPERTIES BE RECENTLY PURCHASED AND INCREASING THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE HOME SALE PRICE. SALE PRICE BASED ON A AFFORDABILITY STUDY IN ADDITION, COMMUNITY SERVICES HAS ESTABLISHED SOME MARKETING EFFORTS FOR ITS ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS, INCLUDING CREATING BROCHURES THAT ARE SHARED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          OTHER MATERIALS THAT THEY SHARE WITH NONPROFIT PARTNERS, AND DTV ADS. WE IDENTIFIED A FEW AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT. SPECIFICALLY, THE DEPARTMENT PROVIDES SATISFACTION SURVEYS TO APPLICANTS. HOWEVER, THESE DO NOT INCLUDE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW APPLICANTS BECAME AWARE OF THE PROGRAM, MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT THE INITIAL SOURCE OF AWARENESS FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          SERVICES CURRENTLY COLLECTS DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION ABOUT ITS PROGRAM PARTICIPANTS. 
          HOWEVER, THIS DATA IS NOT CLEARLY USED TO INFORM MARKETING EFFORTS. WE BELIEVE THIS INFORMATION COULD BE USED TO BETTER TARGET EFFORTS AND ENSURE THEY ARE EFFECTIVE AND AS EFFECTIVE, AND EQUITABLE AS POSSIBLE, BASED ON THEIR MANAGEMENT RESPONSES. COMMUNITY SERVICES PLANS TO UPDATE ITS SATISFACTION SURVEYS AND USE IT TO REFINE MARKETING EFFORTS IN THE FUTURE. FINALLY, FEDERAL FUNDS USED TO SUPPORT THESE PROGRAMS MUST BE APPROPRIATELY MANAGED TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY CONTINUES TO RECEIVE THIS ASSISTANCE. SPECIFICALLY, THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING AND AWARDING HOUSING ASSISTANCE PROGRAM GRANTS. IN GENERAL, WE FOUND THAT COMMUNITY SERVICES HAS CREATED AN ACCESSIBLE AND EFFECTIVE PROCESS TO EVALUATE MINOR REPAIR PROGRAM APPLICATIONS. HOWEVER, EVALUATION OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS WAS NOT POSSIBLE WITHOUT SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS. 
          SPECIFICALLY, APPLICATIONS MAY BE SUBMITTED PHYSICALLY OR ONLINE IN ENGLISH, SPANISH, OR FRENCH, AND APPLICANTS IN INDICATED THAT THE THEY SORRY THAT THE PROCESS WAS CLEAR AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND, AS SHOWN IN THE FIGURE ON THE SLIDE. IN ADDITION, BASED ON A REVIEW OF 50 MINOR REPAIR PROGRAM APPLICANT APPLICATIONS, ALL BUT ONE HAD ADEQUATE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION SHOWING THAT THE APPLICANT EITHER MET OR DID NOT MEET THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA, WITH THE ONE EXCEPTION MISSING A DENIAL JUSTIFICATION DUE THAT, BUT THERE WAS INDICATION THAT IT WAS DUE TO BEING IN THE FLOODPLAIN. WHILE ALMOST ALL DOCUMENTATION WAS EVENTUALLY FOUND, WE DID HAVE TROUBLE INITIALLY LOCATING IT AS MOST DOCUMENTS WERE NOT ORIGINALLY STORED IN THE DEPARTMENT'S APPLICATION MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. CONSISTENT RETENTION OF DOCUMENTATION IN THE SYSTEM WOULD HELP ENSURE DOCUMENTS ARE READILY AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE. 
          IN ADDITION, ALL MINOR REPAIR PROGRAM VENDORS APPEARED TO BE AWARDED CONTRACTS FOR THE CITY'S PROCESS AND WERE ONLY PAID FOR ACTUAL WORK PERFORMED AS VERIFIED BY THE PROGRAM APPLICANT. FURTHER, ALL THE CITY'S REQUESTS FOR EXPENDITURE REIMBURSEMENTS APPEARED TO 
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COMPLY WITH GRANT REQUIREMENTS AND ONLY INCLUDED COSTS FOR LABOR, MATERIALS, AND SUPPLIES FOR REPAIR OF PROPERTIES. FINALLY, ALL ANNUAL REPORTS WERE PROPERLY DETAILED AND SUBMITTED AS REQUIRED. BASED ON THESE FINDINGS, WE DID RECOMMEND A FEW CLARIFICATIONS TO THE DEPARTMENT'S PROCEDURES AND COMMUNITY SERVICES PLANS TO UPDATE THESE BASED ON THEIR MANAGEMENT RESPONSE AS NEEDED. SO IN SUMMARY, WE ISSUED SEVEN RECOMMENDATIONS AS PART OF THE AUDIT, ALL OF WHICH THE DEPARTMENT AGREED WITH AND BASED ON THEIR RESPONSES, WE BELIEVE THE IDENTIFIED RISKS WILL BE APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED AND WE PLAN TO CONDUCT A FOLLOW UP REVIEW IN FISCAL YEAR 2027 BASED ON OUR CURRENT PLAN. STAND FOR QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. NO. FOUR FOUR. THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF THE MOST COMMON MINOR REPAIRS? NOT A LIS. DO YOU HAVE THE TYPE OF VENDORS, AIR CONDITIONING, ROOFING, THAT SORT OF THING? I'D HAVE TO GET THAT FOR YOU, BUT I CAN. OKAY. 
          YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE, DISTRICT TWO. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE FOR MOST THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, ADMINISTRATIVELY, WE'RE KIND OF DOING A PRETTY DECENT JOB OF GETTING OUR PROGRAMS IN OFF THE GROUND ENGAGED WITH THE PUBLIC. 
          I APPLAUD STAFF FOR THAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE, THOUGH WE HAVE SOME UNMET NEEDS IN TERMS OF MARKETING PENETRATION IN INTO LARGER CUSTOMER BASE. SO MY QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO REVOLVE AROUND THAT. WELL, A BIG ONE I'LL JUST THROW OUT THERE IS IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE SOME WAGE CONTROL ISSUES THAT MIGHT BE NICE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE TACKLE THAT AT THE CIVIC LEVEL, BUT THOSE AREN'T THE MAJOR PART OF MY QUESTIONS. HI DANNY SHAW, COMMUNITY SERVICES NO, NO WAGE CONTROL ISSUES WHERE WE'RE NOT IMPLEMENTING A COUPLE OF THE PROGRAMS HAVE TO DO WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND ONE OF THEM FOR THE HOME BUYERS ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND THE OTHER ONE, JUST THE RULES WE HAD SET INITIALLY. ONE IS A NEW PROGRAM. WE JUST NEEDED TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD MORE APPLICATIONS BASED ON THOSE ADJUSTMENTS TO A NEW PROGRAM THAT WE LEARN SOME STUFF FROM. NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. I DIDN'T MEAN THE WAGE WAGE LIKE CAPS FOR OUR PROGRAM. THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO, JUST MORE THAT IN THE DISCUSSION, THE BACKUP IT WAS TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE STRESSORS AND PRESSURES ON ON THE RESIDENTS THEMSELVES. SURE. YES. THERE'S CERTAINLY A MARKET NEED. THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE TO IT WAS UNCLEAR. WE HAD SOME. WHAT WAS THE BACKUP ACCESSIBILITY CHANGES FOR THE LANDLORD RENTAL GRANT REPAIR PROGRAM? WHAT WHAT WHAT DID WE CHANGE THERE? WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO THERE? SO BECAUSE OF URA, WHICH IS A FEDERAL REGULATION, WE WERE WE SET THE ORIGINAL RULES TO SORT OF HELP US MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T DISPLACING PEOPLE IN ORDER TO DO THIS PROGRAM. SO WE HAD A RULE ABOUT THAT. THE PURCHASE HAD TO BE A NEW PURCHASE. AND VACANT BEFORE WE WOULD ALLOW THE LANDLORD TO TAKE FUNDS FROM FEDERAL DOLLARS AND THEN REPAIR IT AND THEN MAKE IT AFFORDABLE. 
          OKAY. WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE A SMALL ADJUSTMENT TO THAT THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A NEW PURCHASE, BUT IT STILL HAS TO BE VACANT. YEAH. AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DISPLACING PEOPLE IN ORDER TO DO THIS PROGRAM AND THEN NOT HAVING THEM COME BACK TO THE HOUSING. YEAH, I SAW THAT, I SAW THAT, AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS THE SAME ITEM. SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THA. YES, THE OTHER TWO, I KNOW THAT QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE ARE KIND OF SIMILAR. SO I'M GOING TO STATE THEM TOGETHER. BUT I KNOW THAT WITH FUNDING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE USING TO FUND THESE PROGRAMS ARE EXPIRING. WHAT ARE WE DOING TO INCREASE THE PORTFOLIO OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES AS AS WE GO FORWARD? BECAUSE THAT WAS A REAL CONCERN THAT YOUR PROGRAMS SEEM LIKE THEY'RE BEING IMPLEMENTED REALLY WELL. AND WE'RE WORKING ON EXPANDING AND PENETRATING A BROADER MARKET, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD IF YOU RUN OUT OF MONEY. SURE. SO CDBG AND HOME ARE THE PRIMARY FUNDERS FOR THE PROGRAMS THAT WE RUN. AND THEN WE HAVE BOND FUNDS FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOOLKIT. RIGHT NOW. AND SO WHAT MADISON, I THINK WAS IN THE REPORT TALKING ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT THE BOND FUNDS ARE ONLY THREE YEARS, RIGHT? AND SO THOSE WILL WE WILL SPEND THOSE AND THEN MAYBE GO BACK FOR MORE, BUT WE WON'T HAVE A GUARANTEED SUSTAINABLE SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING STRATEGIC TOOLKIT. BUT WHAT YOU ALSO HEARD FROM THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION IS WE MIGHT HAVE SOME RISK AROUND CDBG AND HOME AND POTENTIAL CUTS THERE THAT WOULD REDUCE THOSE PROGRAMS AS WELL. BUT OTHERWISE WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT HOW WE FUND THOSE PROGRAMS SUSTAINABLY OVER TIME. AS SHE MENTIONED IN THE AUDIT. AND I GUESS THIS GOES ALONG WITH THAT, THAT EVERYTHING IS FUNDING. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT HAVE WE LAND BANKED ANY PARCELS? I KNOW WE DO LAND BANKING FOR PARKS AND FOR OTHER THINGS, BUT IN THIS SUB AREA OF CITY LAND BANKING HAVE WE DONE ANY LAND BANK? NO, WE DID ANALYSIS AND WE HAVE IDENTIFIED 
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LAND THAT WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT FOR POTENTIAL LAND BANKING PROGRAM. BUT WE'VE ALSO LEARNED A LOT, AS YOU SAW FROM THE PREVIOUS ISR THAT WE SUBMITTED, THAT REALLY WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE FOCUSING MORE ON COMMUNITY LAND TRUST AND USING THAT TOOL AS A WAY TO PRESERVE LAND AFFORDABILITY OVER THE LONG TERM AND HELP IT BE MORE SUSTAINABLE THAN TO TRY TO BANK OUR OWN LAND AND THEN FALL UNDER STATE REGULATIONS, WHERE WE HAVE TO DISPERSE. THAT LANDS IN CERTAIN WAYS. SO I THINK THE LAND TRUST IS GOING TO BE THE BETTER RECOMMENDATION, BUT WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I APPRECIATE THAT, DANNY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE? I'LL NEED YOU TO GO BACK TO A SLIDE. THE SLIDE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE INCENTIVES FOR SINCE I BELIEVE THAT'S IT. COMING INTO THE INCENTIVES. JUST GO A LITTLE DEEPER WITH ME AND EXPLAIN TO ME HOW DOES A LAND OWNER OR A COMPANY OR LLC OR GROUP, WHOEVER IT IS THAT IS ASKING FOR INCENTIVES TO COLLABORATE WITH THE CITY ON MAYBE, MAYBE HABITA, LET'S DO THIS HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, BECAUSE THAT'S A GROUP THAT I KNOW THAT THAT IS PUTTING UP A IS IT IS THERE SOMETHING WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GROUP LIKE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND MORE LLC HOMES COMING IN AND DOING SOMETHING REALLY THAT'S JUST IN THEIR LEGAL STATUS, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE A PRIVATE FOR PROFIT OR A NON FOR PROFIT. SO THAT THAT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR PROGRAMS SPECIFICALLY. BUT IN LIKE IN THE RENTAL REPAIR PROGRAM, A PRIVATE OWNER, WHETHER THEY'RE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO OWNS A PROPERTY OR A CORPORATION OR A NONPROFIT, COULD PURCHASE AND RECEIVE A GRANT. AND THEN IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT GRANT, MAKE THAT PROPERTY AFFORDABLE. AND SO OUR GOAL WAS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR RENTAL OVER TIME. 
          DOES THAT THAT HELP IN THE DISCUSSION? BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY'RE A NONPROFIT LIKE HABITAT OR THEY'RE AN LLC OR WHATEVER. IF THEY HAVE A PROPERTY THAT THEY WANT TO PURCHASE, AND THEN RENOVATE IT WITH THESE FUNDS IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT FUNDING, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE IT AS AFFORDABLE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLEAR UP. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT TAKES US TO ITEM C ID 241929 RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE 
          [C. Receive a report and hold a discussion regarding amending the Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Number One Creation Ordinance and the Project and Financing Plan.
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DISCUSSION REGARDING AMENDING THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER ONE CREATION ORDINANCE. NUMBER ONE CREATION ORDINANCE AND THE PROJECT PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU TODAY. AND IT'S A GREAT DAY TO DREAM BIG IN DENTON. SO MY NAME IS BRITTANY SOTELO. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT A PROPOSED BOUNDARY AMENDMENT TO TURNS ONE DOWNTOWN. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED, AND I'LL PRESENT A SHORT OVERVIEW OF THE TIMELINE OF EVENTS. THE TOURS WAS FIRST CREATED ON DECEMBER 10TH, 2010. IN 2019, THE CITY WAS APPROACHED BY MULTIPLE DEVELOPERS WITH INTEREST IN PURSUING PROJECTS INSIDE THE DOWNTOWN. TOURS STAFF THEN RETAINED T EXP INC CONSULTING TO EVALUATE THE TOURS PERFORMANCE AND FINANCIALS TO DETERMINE HOW TO BEST PRIORITIZE TOURIST FUNDS FOR FUTURE PROJECTS. AS YOU KNOW, IN 2020, THAT'S WHEN THE PANDEMIC HAPPENED. SO MOMENTUM KIND OF SLOWED DOWN IN NOVEMBER OF 2022, THE DOWNTOWN TOURS BOARD RECOMMENDED THE CITY ENGAGE A CONSULTANT TO ASSIST WITH UPDATING AND AMENDING THE TOURS PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN, WHICH INCLUDED BOUNDARY AND TERM CONSIDERATIONS. STAFF THEN MOVED FORWARD WITH RETAINING DAVID PETTIT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT, AND HE'S ACTUALLY IN THE AUDIENCE. HE HE WAS INITIALLY CONTRACTED TO AMEND THE TOURS LAST YEAR, AND HE'S CONTINUING TO HELP US WITH THIS SAME AMENDMENT IN MAY OF 2023, THE AMENDMENT WAS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL. DIRECTION WAS PROVIDED TO STAFF TO POSTPONE THE AMENDMENT, AND FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. NUMBER ONE, COUNCIL WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE GOING TO THAT DOWNTOWN NEEDED WERE GOING TO BE FUNDED BY THE PAC FOR ELECTION COMING UP. 
          WELL, THAT WHAT WAS HELD LAST YEAR IN NOVEMBER AND THEN THEY ALSO WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WE HAD CATALYTIC PROJECTS THAT WOULD UTILIZE THE TOURIST FUNDS AND SO SINCE THEN, WE'VE HAD A FEW CHANGES. YOU HAVE A NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, AND YOU ALSO HAVE A FULL TIME MAIN STREET MANAGER, KRISTIN PELUTHO, WHO IS SOLELY FOCUSED TO FOCUS ON DOWNTOWN PROJECTS. 
          AND SHE PRIMARILY MANAGES THE DOWNTOWN REINVESTMENT GRANT PROGRAM IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024, THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, WHICH INCLUDED PROJECT AND FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOWNTOWN EXPANSION OF THE TOURS. THANK YOU COUNCIL. AND ON SEPTEMBER 
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25TH, WE PRESENTED THE AMENDMENT TO THE TOURIST BOARD. THE CURRENT DOWNTOWN TOURS PARAMETERS INCLUDES A TERM FROM JANUARY FIRST, 2011 TO JANUARY 1ST OF 2039, OR WHEN THE REVENUE OF 24.8 MILLION HAS BEEN REACHED. WE ARE CURRENTLY THE ONLY TAXING ENTITY IN THE TOURS. 
          WHEN THE ORIGINAL PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN WAS CREATED, THE CONSULTANT RECOMMENDED THAT WE PARTICIPATE AT A DECREASING RATE. SO FROM YEARS ONE THROUGH FIVE WE PARTICIPATED AT 100%. 
          YEAR SIX THROUGH 1,095%. YEARS 11 THROUGH 2,090%, AND YEARS 21 THROUGH 30 AT 85%. SO WE'RE CURRENTLY AT PARTICIPATING A 90%. YEAR 13. THE EXISTING BOUNDARY CONSISTS OF 226 ACRES AND THE BASE VALUE STARTED AT $79.4 MILLION BACK IN 2010. AND SO THE INITIAL PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN, THE CONSULTANTS RECOMMENDED THAT WE PUT THE FUNDS IN TO FOUR DIFFERENT BUCKETS, INCLUDING PARKING, TRANSPORTATION, COMPLETE STREETS, SUPPORT FOR DOWNTOWN PROJECTS, WHICH IS OUR INCENTIVES AND UTILITY DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, FOR A TOTAL OF $24.8 MILLION. SO THIS CHART IS A SNAPSHOT OF OUR CURRENT CERTIFIED TAX VALUES FROM 2010 TO 2023. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S WE'VE HAD A NATURAL GROWTH DUE TO RISING PROPERTY TAXES. 
          AND ALSO WE'VE HAD A FEW CATALYTIC PROJECTS, INCLUDING THE RAIL YARD DOWNTOWN, WHICH WHERE THAT'S WHERE STOKE CO-WORKING OFFICES. AND IT HAS MULTIFAMILY IN THAT DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. IN TOTAL, WE'VE HAD OVER $188 MILLION INCREASE IN VALUATION SINCE 2010. THE CURRENT TRS FUND INCREMENT. THIS IS ALSO A SNAPSHOT OF THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE HAD. IN TOTAL, THE FUND HAS COLLECTED A LITTLE OVER $6.6 MILLION. OUR CURRENT FUND BALANCE IS $4.4 MILLION, AND OUR LIFETIME EXPENDITURES HAVE BEEN $2.2 MILLION. AND SO OUR LARGEST EXPENDITURE TO DATE HAS BEEN A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTS THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED DOWNTOWN FOR PEDESTRIAN STREET LIGHTING ACROSS SIDEWALKS AND ADA RAMPS. AND THAT WENT ON NORTH OF LOCUST NORTH ELM, WEST OAK, AND WEST HICKORY STREET. AND OF COURSE, OUR DOWNTOWN REINVESTMENT GRANTS. WE'VE HAD OVER 68 GRANTS THAT HAVE BEEN FUNDED WITH AN AVERAGE OF $12,000. AND CHRIS PLANS TO ENSURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO IMPLEMENTING THIS PROGRAM AND GETTING MORE ON THE LIST. SO WHY ARE WE BRINGING TO YOU THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE, THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN IDENTIFIED THE IMPORTANCE OF DENTON'S DOWNTOWN CHARACTER AND IDENTITY. SO WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO CONTINUE THAT MOMENTUM AND FIND THE RIGHT PROJECTS TO COME DOWNTOWN. THE MEN GROUP WHO WORKED ON THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN STATED THAT THE TERS BOUNDARIES ARE LIMITED, AND THEY WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO EXPAND AND COVER THE GREATER DOWNTOWN AREA. SO IF YOU LOOK ON THE SLIDE, THE EXISTING TERS BOUNDARIES OUTLINED BY A SOLID LINE AND THE PROPOSED BOUNDARIES ARE OUTLINED BY A DOTTED LINE. AND SO THE MEN GROUP WANTED US TO INCLUDE CARROLL STREET ALL THE WAY TO UNIVERSITY, JUST INCLUDING THE RIGHT OF WAYS NORTH ON ELM AND LOCUST, INCLUDING THE COMMERCIAL AREAS, AND ALSO INCLUDING QUAKERTOWN PARK AND SOUTH OF DOWNTOWN. AS YOU RECALL, IN THE MASTER PLAN, THERE WAS QUITE A FEW CATALYTIC PROJECTS THAT WERE PROPOSED, AND WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THOSE ARE COVERED WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES AND ALSO LAST YEAR, THE U.S. 
          CENSUS BUREAU RANKED DENTON LARN THE UNITED STATES IN POPULATION. AND SO WE ARE A GROWING CITY AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE SHAPING THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY, INCLUDING DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS THE HEART OF THE OF OUR COMMUNITY. NOW, I'LL PASS THIS TO DAVID PETTIT, WHO HAS CONTINUED TO WORK ON THE AMENDMENT, AND HE WILL GO OVER THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT DETAILS. BRITTANY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH YOU ALL TODAY. WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU, I THINK BRITTANY DID A GREAT JOB LEADING UP TO THE HISTORY, AND I THINK THE REAL IMPORTANCE HERE IS THAT WE HAVE THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN BEHIND US. IT GIVES US A CLEAR VISION ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. AND SO WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF EXPANDING THE BOUNDARIES FOR WHAT WE CALL TERS ONE A BECAUSE IT WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT BASE YEAR. WE CALL IT TERS ONE AND TERS ONE A IF APPROVED. THIS YEAR THE NEW BOUNDARY WOULD HAVE A 2024 BASE. WE ARE MAKING A SLIGHT ADMINISTRATIVE TWEAK TO THE EXTENSION OF THE ZONE. THE ZONE PLAN TO EXPIRE IN JANUARY 1ST TO 2039. AND WE'RE EXPANDING THAT TO 20TH DECEMBER 31ST, 2039, WITH THE FINAL YEAR'S TAX INCREMENT TO BE COLLECTED SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2040. THAT JUST 
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ALLOWS YOU TO CAPTURE THAT. LAST YEAR, AS YOU KNOW, OCTOBER 1ST, YOU SEND OUT THOSE INVOICES FOR THAT YEAR. THEY'RE NOT DUE TILL JANUARY 31ST OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR. AND SO IF WE SHUT DOWN THE TIF ON THE 31ST OF 39, WE CAN'T COLLECT 39 REVENUE. SO WE HAVE TO EXPAND IT INTO THE FOLLOWING YEAR. SO IT'S JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE CLEANUP. SO THE AMENDED PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN HAS BEEN PREPARED AND INCLUDES THE UPDATES TO THE BOUNDARY, THE REVENUE PROJECTIONS AND THE PROJECT COS. SO WORKING WITH BRITTANY AND HER TEAM WE LOOKED AT SOME PROJECTIONS. NOW THESE ARE JUST PROJECTIONS. BUT I THINK THEY COME WITH A LOT OF INFORMATION AND BACKGROUND FROM THE INPUT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM DEVELOPERS AND LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL $184 MILLION WORTH OF DEVELOPMENT, AS BRITTANY HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN THE BENEFICIARIES OF GREAT SUCCESS, OF AN APPRECIATION OF YOUR VALUE. BUT YOU HAVEN'T HAD A WHOLE LOT OF CATALYTIC PROJECTS. I THINK THIS NEXT STEP TAKES YOU TO CATALYTIC PROJECTS BECAUSE YOU PUT THIS IN AT THE RIGHT TIME. PROPERTY VALUES GO UP, BUT NO NEW REAL DEVELOPMENT OCCURRED AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK HERE IS THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT. AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD, ACCURATE DEPICTION OF $184 MILLION WORTH OF NEW. AND THAT'S IN TODAY'S DOLLARS INVESTMENT FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE TERM. SO THAT $184 MILLION IN ANTICIPATED DEVELOPMENT IS PROJECTED TO GENERATE $50.4 MILLION. SO ADDING $24 MILLION TO THE OVERALL BUCKET, IF WE WILL, THAT WE COME FROM. NOW, ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE PROJECTIONS. SO WE NEED TO KNOW ON A YOU KNOW, YEAR BY YEAR BASIS HOW THIS IS WORKING. THE NEXT IS IF WE LOOK AT THAT $50 MILLION, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TOTAL TAXES GENERATED FROM JANUARY FROM 2011 THROUGH 2020, 39, $58 MILLION, WITH PARTICIPATION BEING AT 50 AND A NET BENEFIT TO THE CITY. THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER BENEFITS THAT COME TO THE CITY FOR HAVING A STRONG DOWNTOWN AND AN URBAN CORE, AND I THINK THAT'S MENTIONED IN THE PLAN. I LIKE THE PIE CHART HERE THAT SHOWS THE GROWTH OF THE ORIGINAL BASE, WHERE THAT REVENUE IS COMING FROM, JUST THAT GROWTH OF THAT ORIGINAL BASE. WHEN YOU PUT IT IN IT WAS GOOD TIMING. SO THAT GENERATED $30.7 MILLION. THE GROWTH OF THE EXPANDED BASE, THE BASE OF THE EXPANDED BASE IS $150 MILLION. SO IF YOU JUST GROW THAT AT A CONSERVATIVE 3.5% FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE TERM, BETWEEN NOW AND 2039, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 4.3 MILLION AND THEN NEW REVENUE COMING FROM THESE NEW PROJECTS WOULD BE ABOUT $15.3 MILLION. SO THIS IS WHAT WE LIKE TO DO BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. 
          FAMOUS DON RUMSFELD, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL THE NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE BETWEEN NOW AND 2039. SO WE DO AN OUTLINE, A SUGGESTED OUTLINE THAT EVERYTHING IS ELIGIBLE UNDER THE PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN PER CHAPTER 311. SO WHATEVER IS ALLOWED UNDER THE STATUTE. BUT THE BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT THIS IS THAT THERE'S TWO MOTHER MAY EYES. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME FORWARD AND ASK FOR TIF MONEY, THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE TIF BOAR. MOTHER, MAY I AND DOES THAT FALL AND MEET THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 311 AND THEN IT HAS TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL, AND YOU HAVE TO GIVE FINAL APPROVAL OF THAT. SO WE ALLOW THIS TO BE FLEXIBLE, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF A LOT OF THIS MIGHT BE IN GRANTS, BECAUSE WE WANT TO CONVERT SOME OF THOSE PARKING LOTS INTO VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT. SO THEY MIGHT BE USING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANTS OR WE'RE USING SOME OF THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG CARROLL. WE DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO COME FORWARD. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH DEVELOPERS, BUT THIS $50 MILLION IS AN ESTIMATE OF THE INCREMENTAL VALUE OVER THE TERM. 
          BUT BETWEEN NOW AND 2040, BASED UPON GROWTH IN THOSE DEVELOPMENT ASSUMPTIONS. SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SAY IS SAVINGS FROM ONE LINE ITEM CAN BE APPLIED TO THE COST INCREASE IN ANOTHER. BUT THIS IS A CAP ON EXPENDITURES JUST AS THE PREVIOUS ONE. IT'S A CAP ON THE EXPENDITURES. SO OUR EXPANSION OF THIS AREA. SO THE NEW AREA IS ABOUT 150 ACRES. AND IT TAKES US TO A TOTAL OF 450, ABOUT 450 ACRES. WE'RE GOING ON A PARALLEL TRACK KEEPING THE SAME TERM. SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS EXPANDING THE BOUNDARY. AND SO BUT THIS BASICALLY GIVES US WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS IF WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY AND WE HAVE THE PROTECTION THAT WE HAVE THE BELTS AND SUSPENDERS OF, WE HAVE THE TWO MOTHER I'S, THE TIF BOARD, THAT'S IT. AND THEN ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE NOT HAVING TO COME BACK AND AMEND THE PLAN. EVERY, YOU KNOW, TWO MONTHS BECAUSE SOMEBODY SAYS, OH, I NEED MORE MONEY IN INFRASTRUCTURE VERSUS I NEED MONEY IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO OUR NEXT STEPS ARE PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER THIRD, WHICH WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF THE ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CREATION ORDINANCE ON DECEMBER FOURTH. WE WOULD HAVE A BOARD MEETING RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED PROJECT AND FINANCING 
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PLAN AND COMING BACK TO YOU ON DECEMBER THE 17TH WITH THE CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF THE FINAL AMENDED PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN. I MUST MENTION THAT THERE ARE TWO MAIN COMPONENTS TO A TIF THE CREATION ORDINANCE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING THE BOUNDARY AND CHANGING THE TERM A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN THE PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN. THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO THE DETAILS OF HERE'S THE PARTICIPATION AND HERE'S HOW WE PLAN ON SPENDING THE MONEY. AND THEN IT'S BRITTANY GETTING TO WORK. SO WITH THAT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCILPERSON JESTER. THANK YOU BOTH FOR THIS PRESENTATION. I THINK IT'S BEEN A WHILE COMING. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND THEN A COMMENT. FIRST, IN THE PLAN TO EXPAND THE TRES BOUNDARIES. THERE'S A JOG OVER ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF CARROL. 
          WHY? WHY THAT PORTION VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE BLOCK? BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY ALL THE WAY UP AND DOWN. WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THAT? JOG OVER WHERE IT IS? YEAH, I THINK THE BEST ANSWER IS, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE INPUT AND THAT THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN RECOMMENDED THE EXPANDED BOUNDARIES FOR THAT AREA. AND SO BRITTANY, IF YOU HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT'S A PART OF THAT. BUT WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS KIND OF KEEP IT DOWN THE FAIRWAY. IF YOU WILL. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN RECOMMENDED AS FAR AS THOSE APPROVED BOUNDARIES. 
          AND GIVE ANY COLOR THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. SURE. SO I THINK THE MAIN GROUP INITIALLY WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WE HAD JUST THE RIGHT OF WAYS ON CARROLL STREET BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO POTENTIALLY IMPLEMENT CHILL STREETS OR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SIDEWALKS, AND TINA IS ACTUALLY HERE WITH HER TEAM TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY WORK CLOSELY WITH THE GROUP. BUT I DO KNOW THAT SOME OF THE LINES ARE A LITTLE BIT JAGGED BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY INCLUDE 10% OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND SO THE LINES AREN'T NECESSARILY LINEAR TO WHAT WE NORMALLY WOULD. WE DO IN A NORMAL CHART OR A DRAWING. SO, TINA, DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT? WELL, I THINK THE 10% KIND OF ANSWERS MY QUESTION BECAUSE AS YOU GO NORTH ON CARROLL, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE HOMES AS WELL AS BUSINESSES. SO THAT THAT ANSWER HELPS EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THAT PORTION OF SOUTH CARROLL TO THE WEST OF CARROLL WAS INCLUDED VERSUS THE REST OF IT. AT THE TIME. AND SO THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS AT THE TIME OF CREATION, YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN 10%. THAT'S RESIDENTIAL AND THAT'S RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S FIVE UNITS OR LESS. AND THE TIME OF AMENDMENT, YOU HAVE TO MEET THE SAME TEST. SO BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT EXISTING AND THEN WE'RE EXPANDING. THAT'S WHERE YOU MEET THE 10% TEST. YOU HAVE TO DO IT TWICE. AND THEN AS THIS IS UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WAS THIS TAKEN WAS THIS PRESENTATION TAKEN TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD FOR THEIR INPUT? WE DID PRESENT AN OVERALL OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE AMENDMENT, BUT WE HAVEN'T OFFICIALLY TAKEN THE PRESENTATION QUITE YET JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A SERIES OF STEPS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE. TAKING IT TO THE BOARD, NUMBER ONE, AND THEN ENSURE THAT WE TAKE IT TO COUNCIL. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO, IS TAKE IT TO THE EDPB BOARD. YOU MIGHT WANT TO SPEAK TO THEM ABOUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN, SURE, BUT ALWAYS WANTING TO GET THE MOST WE CAN FROM OUR CITIZEN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, FOR SURE. WE CAN DO THAT. WE HAVE SO MANY BOARDS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE HAVE ROUTED THIS THROUGH SO WE HAVE THE DOWNTOWN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, WHICH ACTUALLY LOOKS AT THE GRANTS THAT FALL INTO THAT, WHICH IS A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD. SO THAT CHECKS THAT BOX. NO. PERFECT. 
          AND SO OUR CHAIR, JEREMY FIKES, PRESENTED ON THAT AT EDPB, TALKING ABOUT IT AND BEING IN SUPPORT SINCE IT OPENS UP AND PROVIDES THAT CAPITAL INVESTMENT. SO IT WILL COME FORWARD. BUT I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON EACH OF THOSE BOARDS HAVE HAD THE CONVERSATION AND HAVE BEEN IN SUPPORT OF THE EXPANSION. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. AND THEN JUST FOR CONVERSATION, COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE LATER TODAY, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE IN THIS PRESENTATION, IT IS NOTED THAT THE NEED FOR THIS IN PART COMES FROM AND I'M GOING TO QUOTE LIMITED FUNDING TOOLS TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT AND CATALYST PROJECTS. AND THAT THIS PROJECT, WHILE GREAT AND I BELIEVE HOPEFULLY WILL PASS IT IS LIMITED TO A SPECIFIC SMALL AREA OF OUR TOWN. THE MOST IMPORTANT PART, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, IS THE LIMIT THAT WE HAVE OF OUR TOOLS AND OUR TOOL KIT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. AND I'M DONE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT THREE. YEAH. FIRST I'D LIKE A LITTLE DETAIL YOU WANT AND THEN I'LL GET INTO MORE MACRO TOPICS. SO THE ENABLING LEGISLATION SAID THAT ONCE YOU HIT 24.8 MILLION YOU'RE DONE. 
          RIGHT. SO THIS WILL CHANGE THAT. SO YOU CAN GET TO 50 MILLION. THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS 
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ORIGINALLY CREATED, YOU USED TO NOT BE ABLE TO IN YEARS AGO BACK IN THE 1999 2000 AMEND A PLAN WITHOUT STARTING OVER. OKAY. AND SO BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE IS THAT ORIGINAL PLAN WILL GO THAT FULL TERM. AND THIS PLAN WILL START IN 2024 AND GO TO 2040. OKAY. SO IT WILL HAVE A SEPARATE BASE. SO WE'RE NOT GOING RETROACTIVELY BACK. BUT THE STATUTE ALLOWS YOU TO AMEND TO EXPAND THE BOUNDARY I SEE OKAY. AND ALSO CHANGE THE PARTICIPATION. WE'RE GOING ON A PARALLEL TRACK WITH THE TERM AND THE PARTICIPATION. YEAH. JUST TO KEEP THINGS SIMPLE. THANKS FOR THAT. I LIKE IT. SO WHEN YOUR PREDECESSOR CAME BEFORE US WITH A PITCH TO EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES, THE CONVERSATION ULTIMATELY LED TO, HEY, WE GOT THIS DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN THING WE'RE GOING TO DO, WHY DON'T WE DO THAT FIRST AND SEE WHAT IT IS WE WANT TO FUND, AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY, HOW WILL WE RAISE THE MONEY TO FUND THAT? SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE AT THAT POINT, BUT I'M NOT SEEING THE CONNECTIVE TISSUE BETWEEN HERE ARE THE THINGS IN THE PLAN THAT WE PASSED THAT WE WANT TO FUND. AND HERE'S HOW THIS WILL FUND THAT. AND I'M GETTING AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT KIND OF SENSE, YOU KNOW, AS I LISTEN TO THE PRESENTATION TODAY, THAT THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE CURRENT BOUNDARIES, THAT YOU WANT TO FUND AND THAT THIS IS A VEHICLE TO TAKE FUNDING THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE TARGETED, TARGETED TOWARD THE EXISTING BOUNDARIES. INSTEAD, TAKE THAT INSIDE THE BOUNDARY FUNDING AND MOVE IT TO THE NEW BOUNDARY. SO CAN YOU TURN ALL THAT INTO A QUESTION? YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING? I CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION OF THE WAY WE LIKE TO OPERATE. YES, THAT IS AN OPTION BECAUSE YOU'RE CREATING YOU HAVE MONEY THAT HAS BEEN GENERATED WITHIN THE EXISTING TIF, AND BY EXPANDING THE BOUNDARY, IT MAKES IT LEGAL FOR YOU TO SPEND THAT MONEY OUTSIDE OF THAT. BUT WE LIKE TO TAKE THE APPROACH OF YOU EAT WHAT YOU KILL. SO IT'S GOING TO BE MONEY THAT'S GOING TO BE GENERATED WITHIN THOSE EXPANDED BOUNDARIES, IS GOING TO BE REINVESTED IN THOSE EXPANDED BOUNDARIES. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY. SO THERE'S TWO OPTIONS FOR HOW THAT'S FUNDED. 
          AND ONCE AGAIN THAT WILL BE WORKED OUT AS PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD. AND THEY COME TO THE TIF BOARD. AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE CITY COUNCIL FOR YOU TO APPROVE. OKAY, I HEAR THAT I'M STILL I YOU KNOW, I'M NOT EXPECTING YOU TO PRODUCE THIS. YOU KNOW, INSTANTANEOUSLY. BUT I FEEL I NEED TO SEE AT THIS POINT THE CONNECTIVE TISSUE BETWEEN HERE'S WHAT THE MASTER PLAN IDENTIFIED. WE WANT TO RAISE MONEY FOR. AND EVERYONE REALIZED AT THE TIME IT WAS NOT ABOUT FUNDING, IT WAS ABOUT VISION. AND THEN CONNECT IT TO THE FUNDING. I DON'T THINK SURE. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S SENSIBLE. IT IS FOR SURE. AND SO WE'VE HAD A FEW DEVELOPERS THAT ARE ALREADY INTERESTED IN COMING DOWNTOWN. HOWEVER, WE'VE BEEN HESITANT TO OFFER INCENTIVE AGREEMENTS BECAUSE WE HAVE LIMITED FUNDING RIGHT NOW. SO THERE'S ONE END OF IT. BUT ALSO, I THINK IT IS GOING TO RELY ON A SERIES OF DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OUR COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS ON WHICH PROJECTS THAT WE PRIORITIZE, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO INVOLVE A SERIES OF LAND ACQUISITIONS AND ENSURING THAT WE HAVE THE FUNDING FOR TO INCENTIVIZE THE DEVELOPERS TO COME IN. AND SO I THINK WE STILL HAVE TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION OF ENGAGING WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND CITY COUNCIL TO SEE WHICH PROJECTS IN THE MASTER PLAN WILL BE PRIORITIZED. I WILL SAY THAT THE REASON WHY WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ALSO, IS THAT WE WANT TO INCLUDE THIS BASE HERE VALUE, SO WE CAN START COLLECTING INCREMENT NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE IF WE WAIT UNTIL 2025 OR 2026, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE FOLLOWING YEAR, WHICH IS GOING TO POSTPONE OUR PLANNING METHODS, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE GOING TRICK OR TREATING. IF YOU'RE GOING TO A HOUSE AND THERE'S NO CANDY, RIGHT? LIKE DEVELOPERS ARE COMING TO US AND THEY WANT TO COME, BUT WE'RE KIND OF WE HAVE TO BE JUDICIOUS WITH THE FUNDING. YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THAT. 
          LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT WORKING OFF ONE PART OF THE SHOPPING LIST INSTEAD OF THE OTHER, BUT I'M NOT SEEING ANY CONNECTION TO ANY PART OF THE SHOPPING LIST EXPLICITLY. AND IT'S JUST I MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE WHO NEEDS TO SEE THAT. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT OFFLINE. I CAN COUNT. 
          MAYOR PRO TEM CHRISTINE TAYLOR, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER I CAN TAKE A STAB AT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION. SO THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN BOUNDARY, OF COURSE, WAS MUCH LARGER THAN OUR ORIGINAL CHURCH BOUNDARY FOR PROJECTS. SO SEVERAL OF THOSE LARGE CATALYST PROJECTS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT QUAKERTOWN PARK OR TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT DOWN TOWARDS EAGLE, EXPANDING THAT BOUNDARY, YOU HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE BOUNDARY FOR THE ELIGIBLE FOR THE FUNDING. TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THOSE CATALYST PROJECTS. SO SEVERAL OF THOSE MAJOR CATALYST PROJECTS ARE OUTSIDE THE EXISTING BOUNDARY. SO IT'S TWOFOLD. IT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR US TO FUND THOSE CATALYST PROJECTS AND PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY BASED ON THEIR LOCATION, TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE CATALYST FUNDS, SO THAT IS A CONNECTION, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO TIE IT TO INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VET THEM AND SEE HOW COUNCIL FEELS. BUT THE MAJOR 
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CATALYST PROJECTS IN IN THE MASTER PLAN ARE IN THOSE LARGER QUADRANT AREAS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PULL INTO THE BOUNDARY. OKAY. AND WE CAN GET INTO MORE DETAIL OFFLINE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK 
          [D. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the resolution of the Emergency Water Service provided to the Old Alton Drive neighborhood.
    [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]
YOU. OKAY. GET OUT OF HERE. TAKES US TO ITEM D ID 242213. RECEIVE WHOLE DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE RESOLUTION OF THE EMERGENCY WATER SERVICES PROVIDED TO OLTON DRIVE NEIGHBORHOOD. YES. SORRY ABOUT. THAT. BACKING YOU UP THERE? I THOUGHT YOU WERE TAKEN. 
          SORRY. WHAT'S THAT DISCUSSION? YEAH. IT JUST IT JUST IT JUST MAKES IT SO. I MEAN, HERE, I'LL JUST. BEFORE WE GO, IT'S. SO I'LL GO BACK FOR A MOMENT. IS THERE ANYONE. SO THIS IS ITEM BACK ON ITEM C. DOES ANYONE AGAINST STAFF MOVING FORWARD AS AS OUTLINED IN IN THE IN THE PRESENTATION. NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU OKAY. SO THAT'S ONE. ANYONE ELSE. YES THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKIN. 
          IS THERE ANYONE THAT DOESN'T WANT TO PROCEED OTHER THAN COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. TAKES ITEM D ID 242213 RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE RESOLUTION OF THE EMERGENCY WATER SERVICES SERVICE PROVIDED TO OLTON DRIVE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. STEPHEN GAY, GENERAL MANAGER OF WATER UTILITIES AND STREET OPERATIONS. I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE OLD ALTON EMERGENCY CONNECT WATER SUPPLY. SO LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS MOVING. THERE WE GO. SO THE OLD ALTON COMMUNITY IS ABOUT 21 HOMES ON OLD ALTON DRIVE. THERE ARE IT'S WITHIN TWO HOMES OR WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS. THE REST OF THE HOMES ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CORPORATE LIMITS. IT'S WITHIN THE CITY OF DENTON, CCN, WHICH IS OUR CERTIFICATE OF CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY. ALL HOMES ARE SUPPLIED BY GROUNDWATER WELL, AND THERE ARE A FEW HOMES THAT ARE ON ON CITY SEPTIC BUT ARE ON SEPTIC, AND ONLY TWO HOMES I BELIEVE ARE ON THE CITY'S WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM. IN MAY OF 2023, THERE. WELL, THE COMMUNITIES WELL FAILED. SO THE WELL FAILED DUE TO WHAT WE CALL SAND LOCKING WHERE THERE WAS SOME SAND IN THE WELL WHICH PREVENTED IT FROM PRODUCING DRINKING WATER. THERE ARE 41, SO AT THAT TIME THERE WERE 41 VIOLATIONS FROM T-C-E-Q ON THAT THE WELL, THE WELL OPERATIONS AND THAT WAS SINCE 2011, THE MAINTENANCE FUNDS WERE USED TO ADDRESS THE T-C-E-Q VIOLATIONS, AND THE FUNDING GAP RESULTED IN THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE AND THEREFORE THE WELL FAILED. TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AUTHORIZED AN EMERGENCY INTERCONNECT BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON SYSTEM AND THE OLD ALTON COMMUNITY THAT WAS IN MAY, AND COORDINATION HAS BEEN ONGOING BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE. COME UP WITH A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION. THIS IS A BRIEF TIMELINE OF THE SOLUTION HISTORY OR TRYING TO IDENTIFY A SOLUTION. I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT IN OCTOBER OF 23, WHERE THERE WAS A MEETING BETWEEN THE TEXAS COMMISSION OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, PUBLIC WORKS, PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION, AND THE TEXAS WATER INFRASTRUCTURE COORDINATION COMMITTEE AND THE OLD ALTON REPRESENTATIVES TO IDENTIFY SOME GRANT FUNDING. 
          I'LL ALSO POINT OUT THAT AT ONE POINT, THE OLD ALTON COMMUNITY DID, IN APRIL MARCH, THE OLD ALTON COMMUNITY DID FORM THEIR OWN SERVICE COMPANY, WATER SERVICE COMPANY, AND THEN IN MAY AND BETWEEN MAY AND JUNE OF 2024, THE OLD ALTON REQUESTED A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE CITY TO SUPPORT THEIR APPLICATION FOR A DUAL CERTIFICATION WITHIN THE CCN AND CITY STAFF AGREED OR AFTER EVALUATION, DETERMINED THAT THAT WOULD SET A BAD PRECEDENT FOR US AND SO WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THE OLD ALTON COMMUNITY TO IDENTIFY A PATHWAY FORWARD. SO YOU ALL MAY RECALL, BACK IN 2019, THERE WAS ANOTHER SCENARIO LIKE THIS WITHIN OUR SERVICE AREA. THIS WAS ACTUALLY WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS. SO WE PUT TOGETHER A BRIEF CHART TO KIND OF COMPARE THOSE TWO. THE 
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DIFFERENT THE REALLY BIG DISTINCTIONS ARE IS ONE THE GREEN TREE ESTATES, WHICH WAS THE FAILURE IN 1920, 2019, 2020. IT WAS NOT A PUBLIC WATER SYSTEM THAT WAS PERMITTED BY T-C-E-Q. 
          IT WAS JUST IT'S A MOBILE HOME PARK AND IT WAS NOT A DESIGNATED PUBLIC WATER SYSTEM. IT WAS WITHIN OUR CORPORATE LIMITS. AND AT THAT TIME WE WEREN'T AWARE OF ANY GRANT FUNDING AVAILABLE TO HELP OFFSET THE RESIDENTS COSTS AND CORRECTING THE WELL ISSUE OF THE WATER SUPPLY ISSUE. HERE'S ANOTHER SNAPSHOT. THIS IS THIS OUTLINE IS OUR CORPORATE LIMITS. AND WITHIN OUR CORPORATE LIMITS. 
          THESE ARE THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE SERVICED BY WELL WATER. IT'S ROUGHLY A POPULATION OF 4532. 
          POPULATION 4532. SO IF THIS WERE A STANDARD DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WE WOULD HAVE A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE. THERE WOULD BE A DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW OF THE PLANS. WE ASSIGN A DEVELOPMENT FACILITATOR. THERE WOULD BE SOME CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW. YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE APPROVAL OF PERMITS, WOULD BE GRANTED, CONSTRUCTION SUPERVISED BY PUBLIC WORKS INSPECTORS, AND THE PROJECT WOULD BE ACCEPTED AT CLOSEOUT. THIS IS NOT THAT TYPE OF A PROJECT. THE DIFFERENCE IS IT'S A DEVIATION FROM THE STANDARD DEVELOPMENT PROCESS BECAUSE IT'S AN ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY, IT'S LOCATED OUTSIDE OF OUR CORPORATE LIMITS, AND THE NEED IS ACTUALLY BEING DRIVEN BY THE DEVELOPER, BY THE COMMUNITY, AND NOT A DEVELOPER. AND THIS IS A RESPONSE TO AN EMERGENCY. SO WE IDENTIFIED THREE OR ACTUALLY FOUR POTENTIAL OPTIONS MOVING FORWARD. THE FIRST OPTION IS THAT THE RESIDENTS DRILL THEIR OWN WELL FOR THE FOR THE CITY. 
          THIS IS THE SIMPLEST PATH FORWARD. IT'S THE QUICKEST AND IMPLEMENTATION UTILIZES EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S THE LEAST AMOUNT OF COORDINATION BETWEEN GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES AND AGAIN, THE LEAST IMPACT TO THE CITY. AND THERE'S NO IMPACT FEES THAT WOULD BE CHARGED TO THE COMMUNITY. NOW, THE OBSTACLES IS IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE TO THE RESIDENTS AND OUR ENGINEERS AND TCU DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS PATH FORWARD DUE TO POTENTIAL FAILURE OF THE WHALE. WELL, IN THE FUTURE, THE COSTS ARE OVER THERE AND THE TABLE IT'S APPROXIMATELY A 1 MILLION TO 1.3 MILLION FOR TOTAL FOR THE NEW. WELL, AND IF YOU SPREAD THAT OUT OVER THE COMMUNITY, IT'S ABOUT 47,000 TO 61,000 PER PERSON OR PER HOUSEHOLD. OPTION NUMBER TWO IS THE OLD ALTON COMMUNITY SECURES A GRANT AND CONSTRUCTS THE CONNECTION AND THE WATER SYSTEM. THE BENEFITS IS THAT THE CURRENT PROCESS HAS MOMENTUM. THAT'S WHAT THE OLD ALTON COMMUNITY WAS WORKING ON. IT KEEPS THE FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THE COMMUNITY, AND IT FOLLOWS THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES PROCESS. 
          OUR OUR OUR CURRENT PROCESS, THE OBSTACLES IS IT'S A VERY LONG IMPLEMENTATION. IT'S ABOUT 3 TO 4 YEARS BEFORE THEY COULD THEY COULD REALIZE THESE THIS CONNECTION. IT'S A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF GOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST WITH THE CITY, IT'S WITH THROUGH THE COUNTY AND THROUGH TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. AND THE GRANT MAY NOT COVER THE FULL COST. WE'RE ESTIMATING IT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT 30% OF THE COST WILL BE COVERED BY THE GRANT. SO THE TOTAL FOR THIS OPTION IS BETWEEN 800,000 AND 1.2 MILLION, 30% TO BE ESTIMATED, 30% TO BE COVERED BY THE GRANT, WHICH IS 560 TO 400,000 840,000. THE IMPACT, AN IMPACT FEE OF $7,200 PER HOME, AND THE COST PER RESIDENT WOULD BE ROUGHLY 33,000 TO 47,000. OPTION NUMBER THREE ARE THE BENEFITS, AND THIS IS FOR DENTON TO PURSUE THE GRANT. 
          AND CONSTRUCT THE CONNECTIONS. SO IT'S PER TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. IT WOULD BE A QUICKER GRANT PROCESS FOR THEM IF THE CITY WERE TO INTERVENE. THERE'S NO DUAL CCN. THAT'S A DUAL CERTIFICATE OF CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY WOULD BE REQUIRED. THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE TRANSFER THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. AND WE'VE GOTTEN VERBAL CONFIRMATION FROM THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY THAT IT WOULD ALSO EXPEDITE OUR INVOLVEMENT, WOULD EXPEDITE THE PROCESS OBSTACLES. AGAIN, THE GRANT IS GOING TO BE IT'S A LIMIT. IT'S AN ESTIMATE. 
          WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO GET 30%, 50% OR 100%. AND NON-COVERED COSTS WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE PAID UPFRONT BY THE COMMUNITY. AND THOSE COSTS WOULD INCLUDE ALL ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS ABSORBED BY THE CITY, SAME COST BREAKDOWN AS BEFORE, AND THEN OPTION NUMBER FOUR IS THAT WE WITHDRAW OUR SUPPORT. THE CITY OF DENTON WOULD WITHDRAW ITS SUPPORT AND THE DALTON COMMUNITY EITHER DRILL THE WELL OR INSTALL THE CONNECTIONS FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE. THE GRANTS MAY NOT MATERIALIZE, LEAVING THE 
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RESIDENTS IN A PERPETUAL TEMPORARY SITUATION. T-C-E-Q IS NOT LIKELY TO AUTHORIZE AN EMERGENCY INTERCONNECT IN PERPETUITY, SO AND AN ESCALATION IN EMERGENCY MAY INVOLVE THE CITY OF DENTON. AS WE ARE THE CCN HOLDER IN THIS AREA, LACK OF PERMANENT WATER CONNECTIONS WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE RESIDENTS PROPERTY VALUES AND CREATE ISSUES WITH SELLING HOMES IN THE FUTURE AND THE LACK OF SUPPORT MAY CAUSE A FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THE POPULATION OF THE DALTON AND OLD ALTON NEIGHBORHOOD AND SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION, AND WE'VE REVIEWED THIS WITH THE DALTON COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE RECOMMENDATION. IT'S OPTION NUMBER THREE THAT THE CITY OF DENTON PURSUE OR SECURE THE GRANT THROUGH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. AND WE'RE SEEKING DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL ON OUR NEXT STEPS FORWARD. SHOULD WE RECEIVE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, STAFF WOULD COORDINATE THE GRANT FUNDING WITH TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. THE COUNCIL WOULD WOULD REVIEW THAT APPLICATION AND APPROVE IT FOR FUNDING. AND THE CITY OF DENTON, ONCE WE RECEIVE THE GRANT, FUNDS FROM TEXAS DEVELOPMENT WATER BOARD, WE WOULD ALSO GET THE FUNDS FROM THE COMMUNITY UP FRONT AND WE'D BEGIN CONSTRUCTION. AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          GOT IT. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX ONE AND THEN TWO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCILPERSON JESTER. SO I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE JUST BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE AS FAR AS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND A PERMANENT SOLUTION TO THEIR WATER ISSUES IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDED PROVISION OR WITHIN OPTION NUMBER THREE, CURTAIN THREE, AT WHAT POINT DOES THE CITY OF DENTON GET MADE WHOLE? AS FAR AS WHAT? YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO OF COURSE, WANTING TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE TO OUR CITIZENS AS WELL AS SOME OF THE AREAS RIGHT OUTSIDE THAT ARE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY BUT AREN'T ONE OF OUR CITY OF DENTON CITIZENS. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FISCAL IMPACTS OF EACH OF THESE. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FISCAL IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON OUR CITIZENS? YES. FOR A MOMENT. YES, MA'AM. GREAT QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN COUNCILPERSON JESTER, THE OLD DALTON COMMUNITY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PAY ANY MONIES UP FRONT BEFORE CONSTRUCTION WOULD BEGIN. SO ONCE WE PURSUE THE GRANT, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH MONEY WE RECEIVE FROM THE GRANT, THE COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE UP THE DELTA BEFORE WE DID. WE BEFORE WE EXPENDED ANY FUNDS. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I BELIEVE SO, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT IT'S BEING WORKED, NO CITIZEN TAXPAYER DOLLARS FOR THE CITY WOULD ULTIMATELY ULTIMATELY BE LOST. THAT IS CORRECT. IN THIS SCENARIO, WE WOULD HAVE SOME UP FRONT COSTS FOR DOING THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS OF GOING THROUGH THE GRANT PROCESS. BUT WE WOULD BE REIMBURSED FOR THAT BEFORE WE BEGIN CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. AND WHATEVER THE GRANT DOES NOT REIMBURSE BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE SPECULATING AS TO WHAT AMOUNT THAT WOULD BE. THE DELTA, AS YOU SAY, WOULD GO BACK TO THE DALTON RESIDENTS AND WHATEVER TIME FRAME IS DOABLE FOR THEM TO WE'VE MADE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT WE HAVE TO BE PAID UP FRONT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK ON THIS. OBVIOUSLY, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS. THERE'S NOT A PERFECT SOLUTION, BUT IT DOES SEEM THAT THIS IS THE BEST SOLUTION. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. 
          REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. GO BACK TO NUMBER THREE. THAT RIGHT THERE. SO THE RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW THEY ARE THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH FINDING THAT PARTICULAR COST AND HAVE YOU ALL SECURED AS TO HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT RATHER THAN SAYING, OH, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO REACH INTO MY HEALTH BENEFITS OR MY, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO BE PUTTING THEM IN MORE STRESS? I'M NOT SURE. STRESSED OUT. WILL THEY BE? YEAH, I'M NOT SURE I CAN ANSWER, BE ABLE TO DO THEIR PART. I'M NOT SURE I CAN ANSWER THAT, COUNCILOR BYRD. I CAN SAY THAT WE MET WITH THEM ON WHAT WAS IT MANY OCCASIONS LAST WEEK ON THE 13TH, AND WE WERE VERY CLEAR THAT THIS WAS THE PATH FORWARD AND THAT THESE MONIES WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID UP FRONT BEFORE WE COULD COMPLETE THE WORK. AND WE HAD FULL SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY REPS. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT 100% OF THE COMMUNITY OR IS THERE GOING TO BE SOME FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT, I MEAN, IS THIS ONCE YOU TIE IN, EVERYBODY'S IN. CAN YOU I MEAN, TIE IN TO EVERY, EVERY 
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HOME, EVERY EACH OF THE HOMES IN THAT COMMUNITY WOULD BE TIED INTO THE SYSTEM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS THAT DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES IT DOES. THANK YOU. I JUST I, I MY CONCERN IS THE TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE OVER THERE. I'M LOOKING AT AGEISM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT KIND OF THING. YES, MA'AM. IF BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE A, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN JUST NEXT YEAR, IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, OUT A LITTLE WAYS. YES, MA'AM. AND YOU KNOW, WHO'S GOING TO BE CAPABLE OF DOING THAT AT THAT TIME IN THE FUTURE. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M REALLY GOING WITH THAT. BUT I WOULD SUPPORT OPTION THREE. OKAY. OKAY. 
          REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. SO THE ADVANTAGE OF US DOING OPTION THREE. SO OKAY, LET ME TAKE A STEP BACK. WE HAVE NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITIES AND I THINK IT'S SORT OF INCUMBENT ON US IN OUR IN OUR SORT OF ROLE WE'VE TAKEN ON IN THE REGION TO, TO SET A GOOD EXAMPLE, BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE THAT. YOU RIGHTFULLY MENTIONED GREEN TREE ESTATES. 
          THIS IS THIS NOT IDENTICAL, BUT RELATED SITUATION. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A CCN. THAT'S WHY WE'RE TAKING A REGIONAL APPROACH TO WATER MANAGEMENT FOR MUDS AND MDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO I THINK THAT'S THAT'S EXCELLENT. I DON'T HAVE A MY QUESTIONS REVOLVE SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILWOMAN JESTER COUNCILPERSON JESTER. HER QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, SO THE ADMIN COSTS OF THEM VERSUS US DOING IT. WE WOULD BE MADE WHOLE COMPLETELY AT THE AT THE FRONT. 
          OKAY. YES, SIR. AND THEN ARE THERE OTHER ANCILLARY COSTS THAT WE WOULD ENTAIL THAT WOULD NEED TO BE INCORPORATED IN LIKE I THINK IN THE BACKUP AND CORRECT THIS IS A QUESTION MORE THAN A STATEMENT. I THOUGHT IT SAID THAT THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE STANDARDS WERE DIFFERENT THAN OUR OWN. AND FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, SOMEWHAT LESS. ARE WE GOING TO BE OBLIGATED TO UPGRADE THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE? AND WHAT ARE THE COSTS OF LONG TERM TYING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE TO THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE? THE COST PROVIDED CONTEMPLATE CONSTRUCTION AT THE CITY OF DENTON DESIGN CRITERIA STANDARDS SO WOULD BE BROUGHT UP TO OUR STANDARDS WHEN THE WORK WAS DONE AND THAT'S JUST THE INTERCONNECT OR THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WOULD BE THE INTERCONNECT AND IT WOULD BE THE MAIN LINE THAT GOES IN THROUGH THE COMMUNITY AND ALL THE CONNECTION POINTS TO THE HOME. SO EVERYTHING LIKE JUST LIKE A NORMAL DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM IN A NORMAL OR A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. AND THEN WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE AFTER THE INTERCONNECT? THAT WOULD BE US. AND SO WE WOULD BE CHARGING THEM AS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. SO JUST LIKE WE DO IN IN OUR OWN HOMES, WHEN WE GET A WATER BILL, YOU HAVE YOUR ALL YOUR YOUR FEES ASSOCIATED WITH SERVICE DELIVERY AND YOUR CONSUMPTION. SO THAT WOULD COME BACK TO THE CITY AND WE WOULD MAINTAIN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE MOVING FORWARD, JUST AS IF IT WAS A NORMAL DEVELOPMENT. AND SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, IF WE THE GRANTS WOULD PAY, NOT US FOR ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT AND THE INTERCONNECT AND THEN ONGOING MAINTENANCE WOULD BE RECOVERED THROUGH OUR RATE STRUCTURE. THAT IS CORRECT. AND PART OF THAT $7,200, THAT'S THE IMPACT FEE THAT WE CHARGE FOR THE WATER CONNECTION. SO THAT COMES BACK TO US AS WELL FOR ANY FUTURE IMPROVEMENT IN THE AREA. OKAY. I'LL LISTEN TO EVERYONE ELSE, BUT I GUESS AT THIS POINT I'M LEANING STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT I WANT TO LISTEN TO EVERYONE ELSE. OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF THINGS AND I LIKE AND I THINK I LIKE OPTION THREE. DO DO ANY OF THESE. IT'S EITHER 19 OR 21 RESIDENTS RIGHT. ARE WE TALKING 21. IT'S 21. WATER RESIDENT 20 CONNECTIONS. THOSE ARE ACTUAL CONNECTIONS. SO I THINK WE HAVE ROUGHLY 69 INDIVIDUALS, YOU KNOW, SO POPULATION OF ROUGHLY 69. DO ANY OF THOSE 21 HAVE THE OPTION TO OPT OUT OF THIS, OR WOULD THAT SCREW UP THE DEAL THAT WOULD THAT WOULD NOT BE THAT WOULD NOT BE HELPFUL FOR THE DEAL. OKAY. AND I KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT I'M PRESUMING THAT THAT THESE HOMEOWNERS WOULD SIMPLY GET A LIEN ON THEIR PROPERTY TO COME UP WITH THE 33 TO 47,000. THAT IS CORRECT. WE'RE NOT WE'RE 
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NOT AWARE OF WHAT FINANCING MECHANISM, BUT IT'S BEEN MADE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE COSTS UP FRONT. OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT WHAT ABOUT SEWER? THEY ARE CURRENTLY ON SEPTIC SYSTEMS. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE SEWER AT ALL. HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED INITIALLY IN THE DISCUSSIONS. BUT SINCE THE WATER SERVICE WAS THE MOST PRESSING ISSUE, THE TEAM FOCUSED ON RESTORING WATER SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. AND THEN AND THEN THE QUESTION THAT I MOST WANT TO ASK IS, WHAT ABOUT ANNEXATION? WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO OLD ALTON AND WHAT WOULD IT DO TO THE CITY? WE HAD WE HAD MENTIONED THAT TO THE COMMUNITY ORIGINALLY, AND THE COMMUNITY WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF ANNEXATION. AND I BELIEVE THAT THE WAY THAT THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE IS STRUCTURED, THAT WE CAN'T CONDITION ANNEXATION ON WATER SERVICES. SO WE'RE NOT EVEN DISCUSSING THAT WITH THAT COMMUNITY. I SEE. OKAY, OKAY, MAYOR, I'M IN FAVOR OF OPTION THREE UNLESS I, UNLESS I SEE SOMETHING HERE IN A MINUTE THAT MAKES ME CHANGE MY MIND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT THREE. YEAH, I WASN'T TRACKING. YOU MAY ALREADY BE UP TO FOUR. FIRST OF ALL, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY. AND THESE ARE REALLY TOUGH SITUATIONS. AND I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW, PROVIDES ASSISTANCE IN A WAY THAT WE CAN AND LEAVES ACCOUNTABILITY. WHERE CAN I SUSPECT COUNCIL MEMBER HOLMES. RIGHT. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, BE ADDING TO THEIR MORTGAGES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A STAGGERING BLOW. YES, SIR. BUT, YOU KNOW, THANKS FOR WORKING THROUGH IT AND I SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU SIR. YEAH. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY MISS CITY MANAGER. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK THE STAFF. I DON'T KNOW, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT AWARE, BUT THIS HAS BEEN ONGOING. FOR HOW LONG? SINCE MAY OF 2023. 2023? YES, MA'AM. AND THE REASON I POINT THIS OUT IS BECAUSE I REMEMBER I WAS SITTING IN THIS ROOM AND SHARING WITH YOU ABOUT THE ISSUES RELATED TO LACK OF WATER BASED ON WELLS. AND I'M GOING TO I WANT TO THANK THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING TIRELESSLY, SPENDING HOURS OF STAFF TIME TRYING TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION ON THIS. AND THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE THE LAST TIME WE SEE THIS KIND OF REQUES. THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY IMPORTANT THAT THE COUNCIL KNOW THE IMPACTS OF WHEN NEIGHBORHOODS DRILL WELLS, AND PARTICULARLY EVEN IN THE MUD AREAS NOW WHERE THE WELLS, THE AQUIFER OR AQUIFERS ARE GETTING DRAINED AND THERE'S NOT A RECHARGE BECAUSE WE DON'T GET ENOUGH RAIN. AND SO I SHARE THIS INFORMATION BECAUSE I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF WELLS AND NOT ONLY AREAS THAT ARE NOT INCORPORATED INTO THE CITY, BUT CHOSE TO NOT CONNECT TO WATER AND WASTEWATER WITH THE CITY, WHO ARE NOW COMING BACK TO THE CITY, WHICH WE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THEM HANGING. WE WANT TO HELP AND THAT'S WHY WE DID. AND THANKS TO STAFF FOR THE WORK THEY DID. BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS WON'T BE THE LAST TIME THIS HAPPENS. AND AS THESE MUDS ARE DEVELOPED OUT, THERE AND WELLS ARE BEING DRILLED ON A REGULAR BASIS AS THEY DEVELOP, THERE WILL BE A NEED. OBVIOUSLY, FOR WATER AND THERE WILL ONLY BE SO MUCH WATER THAT THIS CITY WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE BECAUSE IT HAS AN OBLIGATION TO THE TAXPAYERS. AND SO I JUST WANT TO THANK THE STAFF BECAUSE THIS IS THIS HAS BEEN A LABOR OF LOVE, HONESTLY, FOR STAFF WHO NEVER WANT TO LEAVE ANYBODY WITHOUT GOOD QUALITY DRINKING WATER. AND THEY CAME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT'S WAY TOO LONG BECAUSE TEMPORARY WATER CONNECTIONS, ALTHOUGH T-C-EQ WILL NOT FORCE YOU TO UNCONNECT, IT'S NOT A BEST USE, IT'S NOT A BEST PRACTICE, AND IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T SERVE THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LIVING THERE. YES, MA'AM. SO IT'S A BIG THANK YOU TO STEVEN AND ALL THE WONDERFUL STAFF THAT WORKED ON THIS, INCLUDING CASSIE AND OTHERS WHO WHO REPEATEDLY WENT BACK AND FORTH TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS. AND SO I JUST SHARE THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO REPRESENTATIVE, THIS TWO, DO YOU HAVE A POSITION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SHARE AT THIS POINT OR. NO. YEAH I'M STICKING WITH MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THREE. THANK YOU ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE. BECAUSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS CASSIE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. I RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A TREMENDOUS FINANCIAL BURDEN FOR THE RESIDENTS, GIVEN THAT THEY ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS AND THAT THEY'RE COUNTY RESIDENTS. I WOULD AND I WOULD NOW ENCOURAGE THOSE RESIDENTS TO WORK WITH THEIR ELECTED COUNTY OFFICIALS TO HOPEFULLY LOOK AT SOME TYPE OF DISTRICT THAT COULD BE THAT COULD BE CREATED TO HELP OFFSET THIS COST. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT SHAKES OUT LEGALLY, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE WOULD THEN HAVE THE TIME, WE WOULD THEN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES OR NO. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THIS COUNCIL TO, IF THEY CAN ALL WORK THAT OUT WITH OUR COUNTY PARTNERS TO NOT 
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OPPOSE THEM HAVING A DISTRICT SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO SHOULDER THIS FINANCIAL BURDEN. SO THANKS, STEVEN. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR OKAY. SORRY. I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH. WHY THE WHY THE VARIANCE BETWEEN 33 AND 47 PER RESIDENT. SO CONTINGENT UPON COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE AMOUNT OF GRANT THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THE GRANT MONIES. SO A HOUSE THAT'S CLOSER TO THE, TO THE STREET WOULD, MIGHT BE CHEAPER THAN. NO. IT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE GOING UP AND THIS IS OUR BEST ESTIMATE ON THE ACTUAL COST OF THAT CONSTRUCTION. SO WE HAVE A RANGE. IF YOU SAW THAT IT WAS LIKE $800,000 TO IF I GO BACK. 
          YEAH. SO $800,000 TO 1.2 MILLION. AND WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT 30% ON THE GRANT, WHICH WOULD OFFSET THAT COST. AND THEN THAT'S THE REMAINDER. SO IT'S THE RANGE. IT COULD BE AS EXPENSIVE BASED OFF OF CONSTRUCTION AS THE 1.2 MILLION TO DO THE ENTIRE PROJECT. OR AS WE CAN GET IT DONE AS AFFORDABLY AS THE 800,000. WE DON'T KNOW YET UNTIL WE GO OUT TO MARKET, TO BID. AND SO THE RESIDENT WILL KNOW WHAT THEIR NUMBER IS. YES, SIR. WHEN THEY HAVE TO COME UP WITH WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO COME UP WITH. YES. BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO DO DESIGN PLANS AND CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND WE'LL GO OUT TO CONTRACT SO WE'LL KNOW WHAT OUR CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE. 
          AND THEN WE'LL ALSO HAVE THE GRANT MONEY. SO WE'LL KNOW WHAT THAT OFFSET IS. WOULD YOU HAVE A GUESS AS TO WHEN CONSTRUCTION WOULD ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION WOULD START? IT'S REALLY GOING TO IT'S CONTINGENT OBVIOUSLY ON ON COUNCIL DIRECTION. AND THEN OUR WORK WITH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR YOU TODAY, BUT I CAN GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. STEVEN ISN'T IT ISN'T OUR COST HIGHER FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE. BECAUSE WHEN WE GO OUT FOR BID, WE HAVE TO OPEN IT UP FOR ANYONE. AND THEN PEOPLE WORKING WITH THE CITY VERSUS A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR. THERE'S CONTINGENCIES. YOU BAKE IN I. YES, YOUR HONOR, IT COULD COST MORE AS A CITY RUN PROJECT. OKA. AND THEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION. COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND ASKED, WHAT IS THE BINDING AGREEMENT FOR THE FOR THE 21 ACCOUNTS? WHAT WHAT PREVENTS THEM FROM SAYING, I DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT. I DIDN'T AGREE TO THAT. ET CETERA. ET CETERA. YEAH, THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. AND THAT IS COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND. THAT'S AN INSTRUMENT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THAT. THE PURPOSE OF TODAY WAS TO GET DIRECTION. SHOULD WE MOVE DOWN THAT PATH, SIR? AND THAT TIME IS CAPPED. DO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, DO WE? LIKE WE DON'T HAVE TO MANAGE THAT AGREEMENT PROCESS. DO WE LIKE AS A CITY WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GET WE WOULD HAVE TO DEVELOP THE TERMS AND PROVIDE THE AGREEMENT AND HAVE THEM SIGN OFF ON IT. 
          BUT I WOULD DEFER TO MAC ON THAT. YEAH. WHY IS THAT? WHY THEY WHY CAN'T THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ATTORNEYS? I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE AN ATTORNEY AT THIS POINT. BUT THEY CAN CERTAINLY HIRE ONE. I THINK IT'S WELL WITHIN OUR POWER AS THE CITY TO PROVIDE THEM WITH THE DOCUMENT. 
          THAT'S KIND OF OUR STANDARD TERMS. WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT, NOT UNLIKE SOME OTHER AGREEMENTS WE'VE DONE WITH PEOPLE IN THE ETJ WHEN PROVIDING WATER. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S AN EASY DOCUMENT TO PUT TOGETHER THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE ALL OF THEM TO SIGN AND HAVE EXECUTED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL PRIOR TO US MOVING FORWARD ON THE PROJECT. BUT IF SOMEONE CHALLENGES THAT, THAT PUTS US IN THE COURTROOM. IF THEY CHALLENGE THE AGREEMENT. YES, SURE. I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING GUARANTEED ON THIS PROCESS, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO I IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S A FUTURE DISCUSSION AND I'M GIVING AN INDICATOR IN THE FUTURE, I DON'T WANT TO PUT US BETWEEN THOSE RATEPAYERS AND THOSE RESIDENTS IF THEY. BECAUSE IF SOMEONE DISPUTES IT UP FRONT OR AFTERWARDS, I DON'T WANT CITY OF DENTON GOING AND PAYING LEGAL FEES TO TRUE THAT UP. I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF NEIGHBORHOOD DISAGREEMENTS IF WE DON'T HAVE TO BE, BECAUSE THEN WHERE DO WE GET WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM? RIGHT? WE GOT TO GET THAT MONEY BACK. 
          UNDERSTOOD. AND IF THERE'S BACK AND FORTH AND EDITING AND ETC, THEN THAT'S SO JUST I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT QUESTION. DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT. SO WHEN THAT TIME COMES, I'M JUST BEING TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE INVOLVEMENT I WANT TO PULL THE CITY INTO ALONG THOSE LINES. AND THEN YOU TOUCHED ON THE VIOLATIONS. BUT HOW HOW DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE VIOLATIONS OR THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE? NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I'M SURE WE COULD. WE COULD FIND OUT FROM T-C-E-Q. YEAH. IF YOU IF YOU WOULD. I JUST WANT TO IF WE CAN GET A LEGAL STATUS OR SOMETHING AFTER THE FACT, I WANT TO KNOW THAT AND THE COST. AND THEN I DO 
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WANT TO ALSO UNDERSTAND WHO MANAGES THE SYSTEM FOR THEM. CURRENTLY, IT'S THEY HAVE A LICENSE OPERATOR, WHICH IS ONE OF THEIR RESIDENTS, AND THAT'S THE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S BEEN OPERATING THEIR SYSTEM. SO WHO'S THE WHAT THEY CALL THE OPERATOR IN RESPONSIBLE CHARGE. SO TC IDENTIFIED THAT PERSON HOLDING A LICENSE TO OPERATE THE SYSTEM. YEAH. SO I JUST WOULD LIKE NOT THAT IT AFFECTS MY DECISION. YES, SIR. BUT I GOT TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S BEEN PRESENTED. RIGHT. I WOULD I JUST WANT I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE STORY BEHIND THE VIOLATIONS. THERE'S MULTIPLE THE COST. WHO WAS MANAGE IT. HOW DID WE GET THERE. RIGHT. HOW DO WE HOW DID THEY GET TO WHERE THEY HAD. WHAT'S THE NUMBER 41. YEAH. HOW DID WE GET THERE. AND THEN DID EVERYONE AGREE TO TAKE THE MONEY AND THEN SPEND IT ON THIS? I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHOLE I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS DYNAMICS. YEAH. YEAH. PLEASE. AND THEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE GRANT LASTLY IS THAT ARE WE IS THAT PRETTY ADMINISTRATIVE AND MINISTERIAL OR HOW DOES THAT WORK. IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION. AND THEN THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD WILL APPROVE OR DENY THE GRANT, AND THEY WILL IDENTIFY THE ACTUAL PERCENTAGE THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO GRANT. AND HAVE WE DONE THIS? NOT HAVE WE HAD A GRANT FROM THEM BEFORE? SO THAT WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT THEY DO? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A GRANT FROM THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. WE HAVE A LOAN THROUGH THEM. THAT'S FOR THE LAKE. RAY ROBERTS PROJECT. SO IT IS NEWER TERRITORY FOR US, BUT WE WE'VE BEEN NAVIGATING IT WELL AND MEETING AND COORDINATING WELL WITH THEM. OKAY. AND THEN AND THEN I YEAH I JUST WANT TO DOUBLE DOWN AGAIN ON THE, ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES. I KNOW COUNCILMAN JESTER TOUCHED ON IT AS WELL. JUST I KNOW IT HAS TO BE DONE UP FRONT, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH PAYMENT, WILL WE CREATE A PROCESS BY WHICH TO ADDRESS THAT OR, OR LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, USING DME, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN THEY HAVE THEY WITH WITH ONE OF THEIR CUSTOMERS, IT'S THIS MUCH TIME TO CURE OR WE'RE TURNING OFF OR STOP WORK OR WHATEVER IT IS. DO WE HAVE SOMETHING OR DO WE HAVE TO DEVELOP THAT THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED IN THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE RESIDENTS? YEA, YEAH. AND THEN MOVING FORWARD WOULD BE A STANDARD WATER SERVICE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE A PROVISION WITHIN OUR RATE STRUCTURE FOR OUTSIDE CORPORATE LIMIT RATES, WHICH IS I GUESS IT'S A HIGHER RATE BECAUSE IT COSTS US MORE MONEY TO DELIVER THE WATER OUTSIDE THE CORPORATE LIMITS. SO THEY PAY A PREMIUM FOR IT. AND WITHIN THAT, IF FAILURE TO PAY, WE HAVE THOSE WE HAVE THOSE TRIGGERS TO SECURE THE WATER SERVICE OR TO TURN IT OFF UNTIL WE'RE MADE WHOLE AND THERE'S ENOUGH. IS THERE ANYTHING PENDING? THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER, BUT GOOD INFORMATION. BUT THEN ALSO, IS THERE ANYTHING PENDING ON RATE REVIEWS ON THAT RATE? I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT RATES CURRENTLY. WE ARE WE ARE EXPLORING A NEW RATE AND OUR RATE AND FEE STUDY. SO WE'RE EVALUATING ALL OF OUR RATES CURRENTLY, NOT JUST THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY. SO I'D JUST LIKE TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT WITH THEM. RIGHT. LIKE HEY YES SIR. HERE YOU ARE TODAY. THIS IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE. WE'VE MADE THAT. WE'VE MADE THAT VERY CLEAR TO THEM THAT THAT WE REGULARLY ASSESS OUR RATES AND ADJUST THEM BASED OFF OF THE NEED. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. WELL YOU HAVE MAJORITY SUPPORT FOR, FOR THREE. I JUST NEEDED TO GET A FEEL FOR, FOR THOSE THINGS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          [E. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding homelessness initiatives.
    [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 1 hour]]
APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU STAFF AND COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM E ID 242040 RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING HOMELESSNESS INITIATIVES. 
          OKAY. THANKS. SO. YOU'LL HOLD ME TO IT. I REALLY LIKE THIS PRESENTATION. IT'S JUST VERY HELPFUL. RIGHT? YEAH. SO BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE, AS PEOPLE ARE TRACKING ALONG THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DIALED IN TO THE RIGHT KIND OF IDEAS, QUESTIONS AS WE LISTEN TO YOU PRESENT. SO MY UNDERSTANDING THIS IS THIS PRESENTATION IS SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE OUR 
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DAILY BREAD SHELTER ET CETERA. ET CETERA. NOT NOT THE UNHOUSED POPULATION MORE BROADLY IN IN YOU KNOW, AREAS OUTSIDE OF THAT JUST KIND OF THIS PHASE IS THIS AND THEN YOU'RE COMING BACK WITH THE MORE BROAD DISCUSSION, AM I WRONG? NO. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. GOT IT. SO FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE, PERSPECTIVE, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LISTENING FOR AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ADDRESSING TODAY. AND THEN WE'LL TAKE ON THE OTHER ISSUES OUTSIDE OF THOSE FOUR WALLS, IF YOU WILL, AT IS THAT WHENEVER THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MAYOR AND COUNCIL CHRISTINE TAYLOR, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, THE GALLERY IS FULL OF SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN PART OF HELPING ON THIS INITIATIVE. SO I WANT TO RECOGNIZE GARY HENDERSON IS HERE FROM UNITED WAY OF DANE COUNTY. DANNY SHAW, THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES, AND HER TEAM HAVE BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN THIS DATA. WE HAVE ROY MELTZER, WHO IS THE CHAIR ON THE BOARD FOR OUR DAILY BREAD. WE HAVE WENDY MCGEE, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, AND MEMBERS OF HER TEAM. WE HAVE CHIEF HEDGES FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND CHIEF ROBLEDO FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER ON PROVIDING DATA AS WE PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR THIS IMPORTANT INITIATIVE. SO I WANT TO THANK THEM. THEY'RE ALL HERE. IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AS WE PROGRESS THROUGH THE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. SO ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS IS A VERY COMPLEX ISSUE. AND WE TAKE A MULTIFACETED APPROACH THAT INVOLVES SHELTER, SUPPORTIVE SERVICES AND COMMUNITY COLLABORATION. AS MAYOR HUDSPETH MENTIONED, TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS ONLY FOCUSED ON ONE INITIATIVE WHERE WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE EMERGENCY AND TRANSITIONAL SHELTER AS PART OF OUR BROADER COMMUNITY HOMELESS INITIATIVES. AND I DID CHANGE THE FOOTNOTE A LITTLE BIT FROM WHAT YOU PREVIOUSLY SAW ON FRIDAY, WE ARE BRINGING BACK AN ADDITIONAL PART OF THE PRESENTATION, WHICH WILL FOCUS ON OUTREACH SERVICES, ENCAMPMENTS, AND THAT WILL BE AT THE DECEMBER 17TH MEETING. ALL RIGHT. A BACKGROUND ON HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SO HOMELESSNESS IS A SIGNIFICANT BARRIER TO SUCCESS FOR MANY OF OUR DENTON COUNTY POPULATION IN DENTON COUNTY. SO IN 2014, THE MAYOR'S TASK FORCE ON HOMELESSNESS WAS CREATED WHEN MAYOR WATTS WAS IN PLACE AND IN 2015, THAT TASK FORCE ISSUED A REPORT RECOMMENDING A SHELTER FACILITY, ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY COLLABORATION AND FUNDING FOR HOMELESS, HOMELESS INITIATIVES. 
          IN 2016, THE CITY OF DENTON AND UNITED WAY OF DENTON COUNTY ESTABLISHED THE DENTON COUNTY HOMELESS LEADERSHIP TEAM, WHICH IS A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP FOCUSED ON REDUCING HOMELESSNESS THROUGH COORDINATED PREVENTION AND INTERVENTION. IN 2018, THAT LEADERSHIP TEAM FORMED AN AD HOC SHELTER TASK FORCE TO EVALUATE SHELTER QUALITY AND CAPACITY IN DENTON COUNTY, AND THE TASK FORCE ULTIMATELY PROVIDED RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH PROVIDED THE CITY'S NEXT STEPS. THE HANDOUT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS BECAUSE IT IS A LOT OF INFORMATION TO FIT ON ONE SLIDE, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU COULD SEE IT. THE COLORS DON'T MEAN ANYTHING. AS WE DID DRY RUNS. THAT QUESTION CAME UP MULTIPLE TIMES. BUT THIS IS A SNAPSHOT ON THE COLLECTIVE APPROACH OF ALL THE SERVICES THAT ARE TAKING PLACE TOWARD. SO TOWARDS THIS GOAL AND BUT TODAY WE ARE PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON THE ACTIVITIES OUT OF THE DENTON COMMUNITY SHELTER THAT OUR DAILY BREAD OPERATES. MOVING INTO THIS SLIDE. SO THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF POINT IN TIME COUNT INFORMATION. 
          AND DENTON COUNTY, THE HOMELESS POINT IN TIME COUNT IS AN ANNUAL NATIONWIDE CENSUS OF PEOPLE LIVING UNSHELTERED AND IN HOMELESS SHELTERS THAT PROVIDE A SNAPSHOT OF THEIR EXPERIENCE ON ANY GIVEN DAY IN DENTON COUNTY. SO THIS TAKES PLACE ANNUALLY IN JANUARY. IT IS A VOLUNTEER DRIVEN PRACTICE. IT RUNS OUT OF UNITED WAY. I THINK MY STATS SHOW IT TAKES OVER 200 VOLUNTEERS CANVASING A VERY LARGE AREA AND A FOUR HOUR TIME PERIOD, SO THIS SLIDE IS IMPORTANT FOR A COUPLE REASONS. IT'S SHOWING YOU A COUPLE THINGS WE WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE POPULATION TRENDS FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, FROM 2019 TO 2024, AND IMPORTANT PIECES WE WANTED TO POINT OUT IN THIS SLIDE IS THE PANDEMIC OCCURRING BETWEEN 2020 AND 2022? WE ARE MISSING ONE YEAR OF 2021 WHERE DATA IT WAS OPTIONAL, SO WE'RE NOT INCLUDING THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC. AND THEN THE KEY POINT BETWEEN 2022 AND 2023, SHOWING THE SHELTER OPENING. SO FOCUSING ON THIS DATA A LITTLE MORE. SINCE 2019, THE CITY OF DENTON HAS PREDOMINANTLY I THINK WE REPRESENTED BETWEEN 82 AND 86% OF THE COUNT WHEN THE POINT IN TIME COUNT IS CONDUCTED, THE NEXT LARGEST CITY THAT REPRESENTS ON THIS MATRIX IS 
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LOUISVILLE, WITH THEY'VE HAD ANYWHERE FROM 26 TO 78 INDIVIDUALS. AND THEN THE SMALLER PINK COLUMN JUST REPRESENTS OTHER CITIES IN DENTON COUNTY THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE COUNT. AND LET'S SEE, CHANGE IN PERCENT. SO WE'VE CONSISTENTLY WE'VE INCREASED 35% FROM 2019 TO 2020. AND THEN OVER LAST YEAR WE HAD A 14% INCREASE. BUT THE DRIVERS WE WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE ARE THAT THE CITY OF DENTON HAS REPRESENTED THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION ON THE COUNT, AND THEN THOSE TWO MAJOR MILESTONES, WE DID HAVE A QUESTION THAT I DID WANT TO ANSWER ON THIS SLIDE OF ACTUALLY, I'LL GO INTO THIS ONE A LITTLE DEEPER DIVE ON THIS POINT IN TIME, COUNT DATA BREAKING OUT THOSE STATS FROM THE PRIOR SLIDE. THIS SHOWS WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE POINT IN TIME COUNT WHEN THEY'RE SPEAKING WITH INDIVIDUALS. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO SLEEP TONIGHT OR WHERE DID YOU SLEEP LAST NIGHT? SO THIS DATA CAPTURES SHELTERED AND UNSHELTERED AND AGAIN POINTING OUT THAT PANDEMIC TAKING PLACE BETWEEN 2020 AND 2022. AND THEN WHEN THE SHELTER OPENS, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE DID HAVE COME UP MULTIPLE TIMES WHEN WE RAN THROUGH THE DRY RUN WAS HOW COULD THE COUNT OF SHELTERED HAVE BEEN HIGHER IN 2022 AND IN 2022? THAT WAS WHEN WE STILL DID HAVE THE MONSIGNOR KING SHELTER. 
          WE HAD FEDERAL FUNDS FOR THE HOTEL PROGRAMS AND OTHER NONPROFIT AGENCIES ASSISTING IN THAT. SO PRIOR TO THE SHELTER, THERE STILL WAS SEVERAL NONPROFITS WORKING TOWARDS PROVIDING SHELTER DURING THAT PANDEMIC TIME. AND THE OTHER PIECE THAT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT I MISSING MY NOTES A LITTLE BIT IS THAT THIS NUMBER COULD HAVE BEEN FAR WORSE FOR DENTON COUNTY. THERE WAS FEDERAL FUNDING THAT CAME IN AND ASSISTED THAT, AND I BELIEVE THE NUMBER IS 10,000 HOUSEHOLDS IN DENTON COUNTY WERE AFFECTED AND ABLE TO BE HELPED THROUGH THAT FEDERAL FUNDING. WITH WITHOUT THAT FUNDING, THESE NUMBERS WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH HIGHER. 
          OKAY. SKIPPING FORWARD TO 2020, OUT OF THAT INITIATIVE. SO IN 2020, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY AT 909 LOOP 28 TO RENOVATE THE 30 400 ZERO SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, WHICH PREVIOUSLY WAS A NURSING HOME, WHICH LED TO A REALLY GREAT LAYOUT FOR THE VISION OF THE SERVICES TO BE PROVIDED. SO THE VISION WAS FOR A CO-LOCATED DAY CENTER AND OVERNIGHT SHELTER TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO PEOPLE EXPERIENCING OR AT RISK OF HOMELESSNESS. AND IN 2021, THE CITY EXECUTED A MANAGEMENT AND SERVICES OPERATING AGREEMENT WITH OUR DAILY BREAD. THIS AGREEMENT IS A FIVE YEAR TERM AND KICKED OFF ON THE DATE OF CEO FOR THE SHELTER WHICH OPENED IN, OR THEY RECEIVED THEIR CEO IN NOVEMBER OF 2022 AND IN DECEMBER OF 2022, THE SHELTER OPENED. SNAPSHOT OF SERVICES PROVIDED THE SERVICE. THE SHELTER PROVIDES A DAY SHELTER, AN OVERNIGHT SHELTER, A COMMUNITY KITCHEN SERVING THREE MEALS PER DAY, AND THEY HAVE WRAPAROUND SERVICES ADDRESSING HOUSING INCOME, EMPLOYMENT AND WELLNESS SUPPORT SERVICES. A COUPLE OF THOSE THAT WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ON THE INCOME AND EMPLOYMENT THEY HAVE ID, IDS AND DOCUMENT SERVICES. THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO DISCUSS TRANSPORTATION AND HOUSING ASSISTANCE. THEY OFFER CLASSES AND COACHING, AND ONE OF THE PICTURES DEPICTED ON THE SLIDE IS ARE READY FOR WORK, READY TO WORK PROGRAM, WHICH THE CITY OF DENTON IS A PARTICIPANT IN. AND SO IN THE TRANSITIONAL WING, THEY'RE TRAINING AND GETTING PEOPLE ON THE JOB READY FOR THE JOB FORCE. THE CITY OF DENTON HAS A HAS A CONTRACT WITH THEM WHERE WE HAVE THE WORKERS COME OUT ON THE JOB S WE SUCCESSFULLE HIRED SIX, THREE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BECOME FULL TIME CITY OF DENTON EMPLOYEES. SO THIS IS A GREAT PROGRAM THAT WE'VE SEEN REAL SUCCESS IN. HIGHLIGHTING ON OUR MASTER AND SERVICE AGREEMENT EXPECTATIONS. SO INCLUDED IN THAT EXPECTATION AGREEMENT, WE TALK OF OFFERING THAT THE OPERATOR IS TO OFFER A LOW BARRIER SHELTER TO UTILIZE BEST PRACTICES AND HOW PROGRAMS ARE ARRANGED AND SERVICES ARE CONDUCTED TO ADOPT PROGRAMS AND STRATEGIES THAT ARE HOUSING FOCUSED, WITH THE ULTIMATE GOAL TO GET PEOPLE IN THE SHELTER AND THEN MOVED INTO A STABLE, MORE STABLE SITUATION TO OFFER INDIVIDUAL BASIC NEEDS ORGANIZED TO ROUTE GUESTS INTO THAT STABLE OR PERMANENT HOUSING OR OTHER LONG TERM PLACEMENT BASED ON THEIR INDIVIDUAL CONDITIONS, AND TO COMPLETE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE SERVICE OUTCOMES WITH PROVEN RESULTS AND REDUCING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO BECOME HOMELESS AND REDUCING THE PERCENTAGE OF PERSONS RETURNING TO HOMELESSNESS. OOPS, SORRY. IF ANYONE REMEMBERS THE SHELTER MOVED VERY QUICKLY FROM BEING A SMALLER OPERATION TO OVERNIGHT, WE MOVED TO A MUCH LARGER OPERATION WITH THE WRAPAROUND SERVICES. SO INITIALLY I THINK THE QUESTION WAS DID WE SET SERVICE LEVELS? WHAT WERE THE GOALS? AND WITHIN OUR MOSA, WE TALKED ABOUT UTILIZING BEST 
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PRACTICES. SO THIS VISUAL WHICH YOU HAVE ON YOUR SECOND PAGE, IF IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO READ, OUTLINES THE SHELTER MODEL FOR THE BEST PRACTICES. SO THIS TALKS ABOUT ALL OF THE MAJOR STEPS WHEN WE HAVE SOMEONE COMING IN WITH THOSE GOALS OF ON DAY ONE, WHAT SHOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? INTAKE BEFORE. SO SECURITY CHECK AT ENTRANCE FOR ALL GUEST WITH A WAY TO IDENTIFY THEM. 
          INTAKE BEFORE ACCESSING INTO SHELTER SERVICES THAT GUESTS COMPLETE INTAKE AND BECOME ASSIGNED TO A CASE MANAGER. THEN WHILE THEY'RE IN THERE ACCESSING SUPPORT SERVICES SUCH AS MEALS, SHOWERS, LAUNDRY AND THEN WITHIN SEVEN DAYS OF COMING INTO THE SHELTER BEST PRACTICES SHOW THEY SHOULD BE ENGAGED WITH A CASE MANAGER TO WORK ON LARGER GOALS OF THAT HOUSING PLACEMENT, AND HAVE OTHER GOALS TOWARDS EXITING AND EXITING TO A SOLUTION. THE BEST PRACTICE MODEL SHOWS ABOUT 120 DAYS. THE SHELTER HAS NOW BEEN OPEN ABOUT 18 MONTHS, SO AS WE'VE PUT PROCESSES IN PLACE AND COLLECTED DATA, WE'RE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT WHERE ARE WE SEEING SOME POINTS FOR REFINEMENT, WHERE CAN WE CONTINUE TO IMPROVE TO MAXIMIZE THOSE RESOURCES, TO SEE THE PROVEN RESULTS OF WHAT THE VISION OF THE SHELTER WAS. SO AREAS WERE IDENTIFIED ON THAT BEST PRACTICE MODEL OF WHERE WE HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO INCREASE PROCESSES TOWARDS THAT. 
          WITH THE TWO MAJOR GOALS OF LOOKING AT THIS PROCESS, HOW CAN WE INCREASE SAFETY AT THE SHELTER AND HOW CAN WE MAKE PROCESSES MORE EFFICIENT TO MAXIMIZE THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE FOR THE BETTER OUTCOMES? SO IDENTIFIED ON THE MATRIX OR IDENTIFIED ON THE MODEL SHOWS WE WANTED TO REFINE BEST PRACTICE AT A SINGLE POINT OF ENTRY. SO WITH THE SHELTER LAYOUT, WE IDENTIFIED THAT WE NEEDED TO REDUCE MULTIPLE POINTS OF ENTRY SO THAT GUESTS ARE RECEIVING AN INTAKE. SAME THING. OPPORTUNITY COMPLETE INTAKE FOR ALL. GUEST. WE SAW AN ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR IMPROVEMENT THAT HOUSING PLANS MEETING WITH ASSIGNING WITH A CASEWORKER OCCURS WITHIN SEVEN DAYS AND THEN TWO MEASURES THAT I THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS THE IDEAL RATIO ON CASE MANAGEMENT SHOULD BE 130. AND WE ARE SEEING 1 TO 167 CURRENTLY. RIGHT NOW, THE AVERAGE TIME FRAME FOR ANYONE BEING EXITED INTO A HOUSING SOLUTION IS 130 DAYS, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO THE BEST PRACTICE, AND 6% OF THOSE EXITING, THOUGH ARE INTO A HOUSING SOLUTION. ONE IMPORTANT FACTOR THAT WE DO WANT TO POINT OUT TO THAT IS EXITING INTO A HOUSING SOLUTION IS NOT DEPENDENT ON HOW THE CASE MANAGER WORKS WITH THEM, OR WHAT RESOURCES WE HAVE IN THE SHELTER. WE ARE LIMITED BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT PROGRAMS AND FUNDING FOR PERMANENT HOUSING SOLUTIONS OR TREATMENT PROGRAMS. SO WE HAVE SEEN 133 DAYS TO EXIT THAT 6% OUT TO A HOUSING PROGRAM. AND WE DO HAVE AND THERE ARE THERE IS DATA TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE HAD OVER 70 GUESTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE SHELTER OVER 365 DAYS. A COUPLE OF KEY METRICS. WE WANTED TO POINT OUT THE SHELTER IS OPERATING ON APPROXIMATELY OR ON AVERAGE, 25 VOLUNTEERS PER DAY. THE AVERAGE NIGHTLY BED UTILIZATION RUNS ANYWHERE FROM 142 TO 150. 
          THEY'RE SERVING THE THREE MEALS A DAY, 185 IS THE AVERAGE MEALS SERVED, AND THEY SERVED 1200 GUESTS AND YEAR TO DATE, 900. THAT DATA STOPPED IN AUGUST, AND THE CASE MANAGER CLIENT RATIO IS 1 TO 167. HOUSING PLACEMENTS ARE AT 6% IN 2023 AND AT 5% AND 2024. YEAR TO DATE. ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY DATA, THEY ARE AN IMPORTANT PARTNER ON THIS PROJECT, ON THIS PROCESS AND PROVIDING RESPONSE TO THE SHELTER AND PUBLIC SAFETY DATA. WE'RE SHOWING THE DENTON FIRE DEPARTMENT AND POLICE DEPARTMENT TRENDS ON RESPONSE TO OVERALL HOMELESSNESS. OF THE TOTAL CALL VOLUME THAT'S BEEN ANALYZED, 9.5% OF TOTAL FIRE CALLS FOR INCIDENT RESPONSE ARE RELATED TO HOMELESSNESS AND 4% OF POLICE RESPONSE CALLS ARE RELATED TO I. SPECIFICALLY, ON DIVING A LITTLE DEEPER INTO FIRE DATA. THE SHELTER IS LOCATED WITHIN DISTRICT TWO, WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THAT LARGER RESPONSE OF CALLS. SO OVERALL, 29% OF INCIDENT RESPONSE IS RELATED TO HOMELESSNESS IN THAT DISTRICT. AND WHILE THOSE METRICS ARE IMPORTANT IS TO SHOW THAT WE WANT TO HOW ARE WE INCREASING? IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE SAFETY AT THE SHELTER? IS THERE ARE WE DOING SOMETHING THAT WE COULD BE DOING DIFFERENTLY TO MAXIMIZE THAT RESOURCE, SINCE IT ON DISTRICT TWO, IF 29% OF THE CALLS ARE RESPOND TO THE SHELTER THAT DOES IMPACT THE RESIDENTS AND RESPONSE TIME IN THAT AREA. SO A COUPLE OF GOALS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED AND THAT ARE IN PROGRESS, WE WANT TO USE THAT COLLABORATIVE, DATA DRIVEN APPROACH FOR CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT WITH THOSE GOALS OF SAFETY, EFFICIENCY AND 
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SUCCESSFUL OUTCOMES IN THE SHELTER. WITH LOOKING AT THAT BEST PRACTICE MODEL, CITY STAFF AND OUR DAILY BREAD STAFF AND THEIR BOARD LOOKED AT FOUR MAJOR AREAS IN WHICH WE COULD MAKE PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS WHICH ARE ALREADY IN PLACE. SO ON ENTRY, STRENGTHEN TRAINING AND POLICIES TO ENSURE THAT WHEN GUESTS COME IN, THEY ARE SAFE AND WELCOME AT INTAKE. RECONFIGURING THE LOBBY AND STREAMLINING THE INTAKE PROCESS SO THAT THERE IS A CHECK IN, THERE IS A SIGN UP OPPORTUNITY TO GET CONNECTED WITH A CASEWORKER BEFORE ACCESSING SERVICES ON THE HOUSING PLAN. IMPLEMENT A STRUCTURED PROCESS FOR DEVELOPING INDIVIDUALIZED HOUSING PLANS BASED ON THE INDIVIDUAL'S NEEDS AND INCREASING STAFF CAPACITY TO ASSIST GUESTS IN ACHIEVING LONG TERM HOUSING SOLUTIONS, ADDITIONAL CITY STRATEGIC ACTIONS AND PROGRESS. COMMUNITY SERVICES IS WORKING WITH THE CHIEF STRATEGY OFFICER TO CREATE A DASHBOARD IN OUR STRATEGIC MANAGEMENT PLATFORM AND VISIO THAT WILL CONTINUE TO HELP WITH THOSE DATA DRIVEN DECISIONS, SUCH AS POTENTIALLY SERVICE LEVELS IN THE FUTURE. TRACK PROGRESS ON THOSE IDENTIFIED PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS WHERE WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE THOSE EFFICIENCIES AND OPERATIONS AT THE SHELTER. WE'RE GOING TO BE CONDUCTING A PEER REVIEW WITH BOULDER, COLORADO, WHICH HAS SIMILAR DEMOGRAPHICS TO THE CITY AND ACTUALLY, ROY MOSER LET ME KNOW THAT THAT WAS A CITY THEY LOOKED AT FOR THE READY TO WORK PROGRAM. SO WE'VE MADE CONNECTIONS, WE'VE CONNECTED WITH THEM, AND THEY'LL BE COMING DOWN TO DO A PEER REVIEW AND THEN ADVOCATING FOR FUNDING IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE BELIEVE WILL BE HELPFUL TO CONTINUING TO REFINE THIS PROCESS. AND THEY'RE IN IN PROCESS. SO TODAY, THE BULK OF THE DISCUSSION AND WHAT WE'RE SEEKING FEEDBACK ON, THESE ARE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO CONTINUE TO MAXIMIZE THOSE RESOURCES. AND AGAIN THESE ARE THESE FOUR ARE BASED OFF OF ENHANCING SAFETY AND EFFICIENCY AT THE SHELTER. SO THE FIRST ONE IS AN ENGAGEMENT. AND PROGRAMING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE DEVELOP GUIDELINES, INCLUDING REQUIREMENTS FOR GUESTS WHO ARE AT THE SHELTER, TO PARTICIPATE IN PROGRAMS THAT SUPPORT PERSONAL PROGRESS TOWARDS EXITING THE SHELTER, TO HOUSING. SO THIS ACTION, IF COUNCIL IS IN FAVOR OF IT, WOULD REQUIRE US TO BRING BACK A PROPOSAL FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION. THE SECOND ONE IS TO EVALUATE ENTRY REQUIREMENTS. 
          AS I MENTIONED IN EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION, OUR MANAGEMENT AND SERVICE OPERATING AGREEMENT SPEAKS TO NO BARRIERS, LOW BARRIERS FOR THE SHELTER. AND SO OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR US TO EVALUATE RAISING THE BARRIERS TO BALANCE AND MAINTAIN A SAFE AND SUPPORTIVE ENVIRONMENT. THIS ACTION WOULD REQUIRE US BRINGING BACK A PROPOSAL TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, AND WOULD REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT OPERATING AGREEMENT. THE THIRD ONE IS A REGIONAL FUNDING SUPPORT. EXPLORE FUNDING CONTRIBUTIONS FROM NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES TO SUSTAIN SHELTER OPERATIONS. THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT WAS MADE 100% BY THE CITY FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE LAND AND THE CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATION OF THE SHELTER AND THE OPERATING BUDGET. THE CITY CONTRIBUTES, I BELIEVE, APPROXIMATELY $400,000 A YEAR TOWARDS OPERATING THE SHELTER DOES OUR DAILY BREAD, DOES DO FUNDRAISING. THEY DO RECEIVE GRANTS AND DIRECT SUPPORT FROM OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE CITY OF DENTON IS THE ONLY MUNICIPALITY PROVIDING ONGOING OPERATING SUPPORT. SO THE ACTION THE SHELTER ADVISORY BOARD HAS DRAFTED A LETTER THAT THEY WILL BE PROVIDING TO THE HOMELESS LEADERSHIP TEAM. SO WE ARE SEEKING IF COUNCIL IS IN SUPPORT OF THAT REGIONAL FUNDING SUPPORT, ASSISTANCE FOR WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH SOME OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY CALLS IS A NEED. IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COLLABORATE WITH PARTNER AGENCIES TO PROVIDE MEDICAL SUPPORT DURING PEAK RESPONSE TIMES? DIVING DEEPER INTO THAT RESPONSE DATA, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SERVICES ON SITE THAT THEN WOULD MITIGATE OR POTENTIALLY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PUBLIC EMERGENCY RESPONSE CALLS? SO THIS ACTION IS SEEKING DIRECTION ON OUR DAILY BREAD, LEADING THE EFFORTS TO SECURE PARTNER AGENCY SUPPORT FOR ON SITE OKAY OPEN. THERE IS A TON OF PEOPLE HERE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FOUR. THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING THIS THING GO FAITH BASE. THE UNITED WAY. GOLLY, THIS IS THIS IS JUST A GINORMOUS PROBLEM. AND WITHOUT WITHOUT YOU GUYS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'D DO. 
          SO I SINCERELY I SINCERELY APPRECIATE THAT. AND I BEG YOUR PARDON. TELL ME WHY DENTON IS SO DRAMATICALLY HIGHER WITH HOMELESSNESS THAN LEWISVILLE. THESE ARE. AND I GOT SOME BROAD 
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QUESTIONS, AND THEN THEY'RE BROAD. OKAY, WELL, I WILL ATTEMPT TO ANSWER, BUT I MAY HAVE TO PHONE A FRIEND FOR THAT, BUT WE ARE THE COUNTY SEAT IN IN IN THE COUNTY. AND SEVERAL OF THE SUPPORT AGENCIES ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY OF DENTON PROPER IS MY RESPONSE. GARY I'LL ANSWER IT. I'LL ANSWER IT. YOU BUILD I, THEY WILL COME. THE CITY TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES TO BUILD A FACILITY TO SERVE PEOPLE. THEY NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, AND SO THE CITY DECIDED TO INVEST THE 13 OR $14 MILLION TO BUILD A FACILITY. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, PEOPLE WILL COME. I MEAN, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER CITY THAT HAS THOSE KINDS OF RESOURCES. AUSTIN, TEXAS. DENVER, BOULDER, COLORADO, SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA. SEATTLE, WASHINGTON. IT'S AND WE ARE WE HAVE THANK GOODNESS THE SUPPORT OF A STRONG UNITED WAY THAT'S HOUSED. ALTHOUGH THEY SERVE THE AREA THEY'RE HOUSED HERE AND A NONPROFIT WHO'S WILLING TO STEP UP AND MANAGE AND OPERATE IT. I MEAN, OTHER CITIES DON'T HAVE THAT, NOR DO THEY IN SOME CASES, THEY DON'T WANT IT. I'M JUST GOING TO BE REAL HONEST. AND SO DENTON DID AND WANTED TO STEP UP AND HELP PEOPLE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WHY? OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THAT KIND OF GOES TO MY LAST QUESTION. AND I FEEL SORT OF FACETIOUS, EVEN ASKING THIS. DO ONLY DENTON RESIDENTS USE THE SHELTER? NO, NO. WHERE. WHO ELSE IS USING THE SHELTER AND WHERE ARE THEY COMING FROM AND HOW ARE THEY GETTING HERE? WE DID RECENTLY, I THINK IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS START ASKING AS GUESTS ARRIVE, WHERE, WHERE DID YOU COME FROM? AND SO THE DATA IS SUPPORTING PREDOMINANTLY WITHIN THE CITY OF DENTON, BUT OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. AND THEN THERE HAS BEEN OUT OF STAT. SARAH IS GOING TO JUMP IN. I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT NORMALLY NOT COMING FROM DENTON ORIGINALLY. THAT'S A FACT. THEY ARE BEING BROUGHT AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT ORIGINALLY COMING FROM DENTON AUTOMATICALLY, LIKE THEY WEREN'T BORN AND RAISED HERE. MANY OF THEM WERE NOT. BUT THEY ARE BEING BROUGHT BY OTHER CITIES AS FAR AS CALIFORNIA, AS FAR AS DESOTO, FORT WORTH, DALLAS, LEWISVILLE, CARROLLTON. NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS HERE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, EVEN SOME CITIES DROP THEM OFF WITH THE CITY SEAL ON THEIR CAR. HAS THAT BEEN WITNESSED? YES, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S BEEN WITNESSED. AND SO THE ONES WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COUNT HAVE BEEN FROM LEWISVILLE. AND SO A TRUE TO BE ABLE TO TRULY, ACCURATELY SAY THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE ARE FROM DENTON, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU VIEW. ARE YOU FROM DENTON? THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN HERE ON THE STREET FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT A MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE BROUGHT IN, ARE BROUGHT IN BY OTHER CITIES, OR THEY KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING HERE AND ARE GIVEN A TICKET TO COME HERE. AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT IS NO DIFFERENT BECAUSE I DID THE HOMELESSNESS EFFORTS IN AUSTIN FOR TWO YEARS AND THEY WERE GIVEN BUS TICKETS FROM CORPUS CHRISTI AND HOUSTON AND OTHER AREAS TO COME TO AUSTIN. IT'S NO DIFFERENT AND IT'S THE SAME SITUATION HERE WHEN YOU HAVE SERVICES AND A PLACE TO SLEEP AND A GOOD MEAL THAT IS BEING PROVIDED BY OUR PARTNERS, WHY NOT COME TO A PLACE LIKE THAT? BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY'RE ON THE STREET MORE. THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S FROM CALIFORNIA ACTUALLY WAS GIVEN A TICKET TO GO BACK, AND THEN HE CAME BACK. SO, SO GOOD, I GUESS, HERE. BUT I THIN, YOU KNOW, THAT BEGS THE QUESTION OF WHO ARE WE TRULY SERVING? BUT I THINK THE WHOLE IDEA, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MISSION OF ODB, IT'S TO SERVE, PERIOD. AND IT'S IMPORTANT THOUGH, THAT WE DO FIND OUT AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS ASKING THE QUESTION, WHERE DID YOU SLEEP LAST NIGHT? MANY OF THEM SLEPT IN DENTON LAST NIGHT, BUT IF THEY IF WE WERE TO ASK, WHERE WERE YOU THREE MONTHS AGO, WE PROBABLY WOULD GET A DIFFERENT ANSWER. IS OKAY, BEFORE I GO TO THAT, THE NUMBER OF POLICE AND FIRE CALLS SEEMS STAGGERING TO ME. JUST JUST OVERWHELMING. AND YOU AND YOU ALLUDED TO THIS AT THE END SERVICES THERE AT THE SHELTER. WOULD THAT BE A PARA TYPE THING? MAYBE NOT A SWORN POLICE OFFICER, MAYBE A I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WHAT A NON A NON-SWORN FIREFIGHTER IS CALLED, BUT WE'D BE LOOKING TO EXPLORE ON THE EMS SIDE, NOT A NOT A PARAMEDIC, NOT A FIRE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEE WITH A PARTNER AGENCY. SO IS THERE NURSING STAFF ARE AN LPN. WOULD BE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVES TO IT. BEING A CITY OF FIRST RESPONDER, HAVING NEVER BEEN A FIREFIGHTER OR A POLICE OFFICER, I WOULD THINK THAT THIS WOULD GET OLD. DEALING, DEALING WITH THIS KIND OF A THIS KIND OF A 
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SITUATION OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER. I'D SURE LIKE TO EXPLORE THAT. OUR OUR MANY PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNES, DRUG USERS OR FORMER DRUG USERS OR DO YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA. AND I DID WANT TO CAVEAT WITH THAT, THAT SINCE THIS IS SUCH A COMPLEX TOPIC, IF THERE ARE, WE'LL TRACK YOUR QUESTIONS AS WE'RE MOVING ALONG. IF WE CAN'T ANSWER THEM, WE'LL PROVIDE A FOLLOW UP. OKAY, I DO WANT TO ANSWER THAT A LITTLE BIT, THOUGH. SO STUDIES SHOW AND THIS IS NATIONWIDE STUDIES SHOW THAT IF THEY'RE NOT UNDER THE INFLUENCE WHEN THEY START AND YOU HAVE TO PICTURE IT, IF SOMEONE IS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND THEY'RE LIVING ON THE STREETS, YOU USUALLY CHOOSE TO BE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL OR DRUGS OR MANY OF THEM. HUFF PAINT THAT YOU GET OUT OF TRASH CANS BECAUSE IT TAKES AWAY THE PAIN OF SLEEPING ON CONCRETE AND THE DIFFERENT VARIETIES OF WEATHER, WHETHER IT'S COLD WEATHER OR HOT WEATHER. AND SO A MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE BEEN THROUGH HAVE ALCOHOL AND DRUG PROBLEMS. SOME ARE NOT AS BAD AS OTHERS. SOME OF THEM ONLY MEDICATE WHEN THEY HAVE CERTAIN SITUATIONS. AND I KNOW THE QUESTION WAS RAISED ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH 67 TO 70% OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. HOMELESSNESS HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES ACROSS THE NATION. IT'S HIGHER IN SAN FRANCISCO AND LOS ANGELES BECAUSE THERE'S A GUY THAT DID A STUDY THAT TALKED TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ON SKID ROW, THAT WERE WORKING WITH INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, AND HE ASKED THEM WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE PEOPLE ON SKID ROW, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL IT IN LOS ANGELES, ARE EXPERIENCING MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. AND THEY ALL SAID 100%. 
          SO IT'S NOT ABOUT WHERE THEY ARE WHEN THEY START BEING HOMELESS, HOMELESS. IT'S WHERE THEY END UP BECAUSE OF THE YEARS ON THE STREET. AND BECAUSE OF SELF-MEDICATING, DUE TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THEY'RE SURVIVING, THEY'RE TRYING TO SURVIVE AND NOT. AND PLEASE UNDERSTAND ME, I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL AT ALL ABOUT THIS. THIS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE ACROSS THE NATION. THIS IS NOT JUST IN DENTON AND THE ONLY WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS FROM A MENTAL HEALTH STANDPOINT IS MORE FUNDING FOR MENTAL HEALTH, BECAUSE MANY TIMES IT STARTS THERE IS A IS MONEY OR LACK OF MONEY. THE REASON THAT PEOPLE ARE HOMELESS? IF YOU HAD ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD, WOULD YOU STILL HAVE PEOPLE BEING HOMELESS? IT'S THE SERVICES. IT CAN BE MONEY. SO THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOMELESSNESS, THERE'S INTERMITTENT HOMELESSNESS. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN YOUR HOME DEPOT, YOUR WALMART PARKING LOTS. THEY'RE IN AND OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON'T ALWAYS ARE NOT HOMELESS, BUT THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT TRANSITION BECAUSE OF A LOSS OF A JOB OR A MARRIAGE BREAKUP SITUATION. THEY'RE IN AND OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. THERE'S THE CHRONIC HOMELESS THAT ARE OUT ON THE STREET. THEY DON'T WANT HELP. THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING ANYBODY TO TELL THEM WHERE TO LIVE AND WHAT TO DO. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THE OTHER TYPE OF HOMELESSNESS WHERE THEY DO WANT THE HELP. AND YOU'RE SEEING THAT WITH THEY GET THE HELP THEY NEED. THEY GET THE JOBS, TRAINING AND OTHER THINGS. BUT BUT MONEY THROWING MONEY AT IT, IT'S MORE ABOUT THE SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED AND YES, IT'S GOING TO COST MONEY, BUT IT NEEDS I'LL JUST BE HONEST. IT NEEDS TO COME FROM THE FEDERAL AND THE STATE FUNDING SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE MENTAL HEALTH TO INDIVIDUALS WHO NEED IT, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE FACILITIES FOR PEOPLE TO GET BETTER SO THAT THEY CAN THEN WE CAN THEN DEAL WITH THEIR ALCOHOL AND DRUG SITUATIONS. IT NEEDS TO BE MENTAL HEALTH, ALCOHOL AND DRUG AND THEN JOB TRAINING AND OTHER HOUSING PROGRAMS. AND THE ONLY REASON I SAY THIS IS BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT AND IT WASN'T HERE, BUT WORKING SIDE BY SIDE WITH PEOPLE IN A PREVIOUS JOB WHERE YOU PUT SOMEONE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS AND ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE INTO INTO HOUSING AND WITH OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE IN APARTMENT COMPLEXES, I'D SAY AT LEAST 80% OF THE TIME THEY GET KICKED OUT BECAUSE OF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO CONTROL THEMSELVES ENOUGH TO WHERE THEY CAN KEEP STABLE HOUSING AND IT IT'S JUST A IT'S A IT'S A NEVER ENDING STORY UNLESS THERE ARE SERVICES TO HELP INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE EITHER ON THE STREET OR IN A SHELTER, THEY NEED THAT KIND OF HELP SO THAT THEY CAN GET BETTER, AND THEN THEY CAN GET HEALTHY AND THEY CAN GET MENTALLY HEALTHY, AND THEN THEY CAN GET A JOB AND THEN THEY CAN STAY IN HOUSING. THANK YOU. I HEARD SIX AND THEN I HEARD THREE PEOPLE HAVE TRANSITIONED TO CITY EMPLOYEES. WAS IT 6 OR 3? IT WAS THREE. IT WAS THREE. AND WHERE ARE THEY NOW? SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT. WHERE DO THEY LIVE NOW? OH, I'M NOT SURE. AT THE SHELTER? NO, THEY'VE TRANSITIONED OUT. CORRECT. WE HAVE A TRANSITIONAL WING. SO AS PEOPLE ARE GETTING INTO THE WORK PROGRAM, THEIR SERVICES ARE TO GET THEM FINANCIALLY READY, HOUSED, READY AND HAVE EMPLOYMENT. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE THREE INDIVIDUALS ARE IN A MORE PERMANENT HOUSING SOLUTION, NOT AT THE SHELTER. 
          EXCELLENT NEWS. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO WE NEED MORE PARTNER AGENCIES FOR THAT PROGRAM OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. 
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LONG TERM HOUSING SOLUTIONS. IS OUR OBJECTIVE ALWAYS TO FIND LONG TERM HOUSING SOLUTIONS OR HAVE WE TAKEN A LOOK AT. AND IS THERE IS ANY REASONING THAT WE NOT NECESSARILY LOOK FOR LONG TERM HOUSING SOLUTIONS FOR EVERYBODY? I'M THINKING ABOUT THOSE 72 PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR MORE THAN 365 DAYS, MEANING THAT THEY'VE CHOSEN OR WE HAVE NOT MADE A PATH FOR THEM TO STAY. I KNOW IT'S 120 DAYS MEANS SOMETHING I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS. BEST PRACTICE GOAL. SO LONG TERM HOUSING SOLUTIONS 72 PEOPLE YOU KNOW, JUST LIVING THERE. WHAT? HOW ARE WE WHAT'S THE EXPLANATION FOR THAT? BEING APPEARING TO BE A LONG TERM HOUSING SOLUTION? WELL, IT'S NOT THE EXPLANATION IS THERE AREN'T RESOURCES OR SERVICES. SO ANY INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THERE LONG TERM, THERE ARE LIMITATIONS TO THEM LIVING ON THEIR OWN. THERE COULD BE A TREATMENT OR ANOTHER TYPE OF REHABILITATION PROGRAM WHERE WE TALK ABOUT ADVOCATING FOR FUNDING. THERE ARE NOT FUNDING FOR THOSE SOLUTIONS. OKAY. SO BUT I WILL SAY I WANT TO SAY THIS BECAUSE THIS IS THE ISSUE. THIS WAS NEVER, EVER INTENDED TO BE A LONG TERM EXTENDED STAY SHELTER. IT WAS AN EMERGENCY SHELTER. RIGHT. AND SO THIS IS WHY WE'RE DOING THIS PRESENTATION IS THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO WEIGH IN HERE AS TO WHAT YOU KNOW WE'RE SUGGESTING. AND THEY AGREE. DON'T GET ME WRONG, CHRISTINE IS MET WITH ROY AND THEY SHARED THE PRESENTATION. THEY'RE ON BOARD WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE'RE RECOMMENDING. BUT THIS WAS BEFORE WE STARTED LOOKING AT NUMBERS AND DATA AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT THEIR IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT. THIS IS JUST US LOOKING AT THIS. AND THEY'LL TELL YOU IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T KEEP TAKING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN THERE AND JUST LEAVING THEM THERE AND HAVING SERVICES FOR THEM. IT'S UNMANAGEABLE FOR THEM. AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING EITHER. SO WE ARE WE HAVE 70 PEOPLE THAT UNFORTUNATELY HAVE STAYED THERE AND IT'S TURNED INTO BEING A LONG TERM STAY. AND SO THE IDEA IS, AS YOU SEE WITH THEIR SUPPORT, IS COMING UP WITH WAYS TO GET CASEWORKERS IN THERE AND GET PEOPLE THE HELP THAT THEY NEED THE BEST WE CAN. I MEAN, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, THERE WILL NOT BE 100% SUCCESS. THERE WON'T BE 75% SUCCESS IF WE GET 50% SUCCESS. THAT, I WOULD SAY WAS A HUGE SUCCESS. SO IT IS RECOGNIZING, THOUGH, THAT THIS IS NOT A LONG TERM SITUATION FOR SHELTER. THIS IS NOT COME IN AND STAY FOREVER, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEN THEY CAN'T TAKE ANYONE ELSE, RIGHT? IT IS. GET IN, GET SOME SERVICES, GET GET SOME HEL, TRY TO BUILD THEM BACK UP TO WHERE THEY CAN GET BACK TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, AND THEN GET THEM SOME JOB TRAINING AND GET THEM BACK OUT. BUT WE'RE SHORT OTHER THINGS. THEY'RE SHORT OTHER THINGS. BY HAVING VOLUNTEERS, THEY'RE SHORT BY THE RESOURCES THEY HAVE. THEY'RE SHORT BY BY HAVING CASEWORKERS. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CASEWORKER, YOU'RE LOST. I MEAN, THESE PEOPLE NEED SOMEONE TO SIT WITH THEM STEP BY STEP BY STEP. 
          AND THEN CHECK BACK IN WITH THEM TO SAY, HAVE YOU DONE THIS? HAVE YOU DONE THAT? A LOT OF THIS IS TO ALSO AND I KNOW YOU THINK I'M CRAZY, BUT MOST OF THE PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT COME INTO THE SHELTER MANY TIMES, IF YOU ASK THEM IF THEY'RE A VETERAN, THEY MAY NOT REMEMBER THEIR VETERAN. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK IN TO SEE IF THEY'RE A VETERAN. AND THIS HAPPENED IN AUSTIN A LOT. WE HAD TO SIT DOWN AND WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE A VETERAN. THEY HAD VETERAN BENEFITS. SECOND OF ALL, MANY OF THEM SAY THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR FAMILY. WE FIND OUT THEIR FAMILY IS LOOKING FOR THEM. IT IS A MAJOR PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH, THROUGH A SERIES OF STEPS TO FIND OUT IF THEY HAVE FAMILY, IF THEY WERE A VETERAN, FAMILIES LOOKING FOR THEM. 
          SOMETIMES IT'S AS SIMPLE AS PUTTING THEM ON A BUS BACK TO THEIR HOUSE, AND THAT'S A SUCCESS. BUT IT IS. THERE'S NO ONE SIZE FITS ALL EITHER. IT IS. IT IS A VERY COMPLICATED ISSUE, AND IT IS A VERY SENSITIVE ISSUE AND EMOTIONAL ISSUE. AND I'M MOST WORRIED BECAUSE OF BECAUSE OF THE DOLLARS WE'RE SPENDING ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND WHERE WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO BE AT A CRUX HERE OF WHAT WE CAN DEAL WITH AND WHAT WE CAN'T BECAUSE OF THE NEEDS OF OUR CITIZENS. AND SO OUR, OUR PROPOSED OPTIONS ARE THINGS THAT WE THINK WE NEED TO WORK ON SO THAT IT MAKES THINGS RUN BETTER. BUT WE STILL NEED COUNCIL'S HELP, QUITE FRANKLY, TO ADVOCATE AND PUSH FOR DOLLARS AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND FOR ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY. AND WITHOUT THE MONEY AND THE PEOPLE TO HELP THEM AND TO HELP US AND TO HELP UNITED WAY, WE WON'T SEE A DROP IN THE NEED FOR THE FIRE AND POLICE. WE'LL SEE AN INCREASE. OKAY. WELL, I 
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CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION. IT IS CLEARLY EVIDENT THAT YOU'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC. BUT MY BASIC CONCERN IS LONG TERM SOLUTIONS. OKAY, THAT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE. AND WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR, I DON'T KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND SO MY INITIAL, YOU KNOW, QUICK CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THESE PEOPLE? I MEAN, THEY'VE BEEN THERE I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG. AND ARE WE PREPARED TO MOVE THEM ON? AND HOW DOES THAT LOOK? AND, AND ALL OF THAT ANYWAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE WITH ME. I SEE THAT IT SAYS DENTON COUNTY AND WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED THE COUNTY IN THERE IN THE, THE RESPONSIBILITY AND ALL THE CITIES IN THE COUNTY. I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY UP THERE, BUT I THINK THAT THAT IS A FAST TRACK. NEED TO INFUSE SOME FUNDING INTO THIS WITHOUT JUST NECESSARILY THE CITIZENS OF DENTON TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE AND HAVE SET UP THIS SPACE THAT THIS GENTLEMAN HAS BASICALLY NOTED HERE. YOU KNOW, SET UP A SPACE WHERE THERE'S THESE PEOPLE THAT'S OVER THERE. YOU KNOW, HE SAID, WE NEED TO MOVE THESE PEOPLE SOMEWHERE. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS BEING A LONG TERM HOUSING SOLUTION WITH ALL OF THESE WRAPAROUND SERVICES, DO THEY LIVE HERE? THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. PUT THEM SOMEWHERE. THERE THEY ARE. THEY LIVE HERE. THEY HAVE ALL THE SERVICES. HOW LONG DO THEY STAY? WHY ARE WE ALLOWING THAT AND WHY THE WHY ISN'T THE COUNTY? BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE NEED STATE MONEY. WE NEED FEDERAL MONEY. DENTON COUNTY. IT SAYS DENTON COUNTY ON THE PAPER, I WILL ANSWER. I WANT TO DEFINITELY FIND SOME PRESSURE TO PUT ON THOSE FOLKS TO BRING SOME FUNDING IN HERE. AND THAT MEANS OTHER CITIES. SO I WILL SAY THIS. THE COUNTY, AS YOU KNOW, OFFERED THE $3 MILLION UP FRONT WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BEING BUILT, THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS TO GO FOR ANY OTHER CITY COULD DROP OFF INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING HOMELESS, OR THEY COULD COME TO THE SHELTER. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS $3 MILLION. ONE TIME IS NOT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN HELPING ODB OPERATE A FACILITY, AND SO I ASKED THEM IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY 3 MILLION A YEAR, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE MUCH MORE HELPFUL. THE ANSWER WAS NO. AND THEN MAYBE THEY'D BE INTERESTED IN TAKING OVER THE OVERSIGHT OF IT SO THEY COULD FUND IT MORE EASILY BECAUSE THEY'RE A COUNTY. 
          AND THE ANSWER AND THIS WAS TO JODY, NOT TO THE JUDGE. AND I DIDN'T SPEAK WITH THE JUDGE ABOUT IT, BUT HE HE DID. THE JUDGE OFFERED $3 MILLION. I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE AN IMPRESSION OUT THERE THAT HE DIDN'T. THE PROBLEM IS, IS WE DO KNOW WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM MORE THAN JUST DENTON AND SO WITHOUT ONGOING SUPPORT, WHETHER IT'S THE COUNTY OR LEWISVILLE OR ANOTHER CITY, IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US OR ODB TO TRY TO RAISE THE MONEY, WHICH IS VERY DIFFICULT. AND SO ONE, NO, IT WAS NEVER A LONG TERM SOLUTION FOR HOUSING. NEVER. AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT CAN'T YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM. I MEAN, IT WAS SET UP AS A SHELTER, EMERGENCY OVERNIGHT SHELTER. AND THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS THAT IT'S AN OVERNIGHT SHELTER, NOT A PERMANENT HOUSING SOLUTION. THIS IS NOT A PERMANENT HOUSING SOLUTION AND A PERMANENT HOUSING SOLUTION TAKES MORE NONPROFITS AND OTHERS TO CREATE MID-TERM, SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM HOUSING SOLUTIONS FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. THAT'S THEY GO INTO ONE SHORT TERM, THEN THEY MOVE AFTER THEY GET SOBER AND MENTALLY CAPABLE TO A JOB WHERE THEY CAN THEN GO INTO A LONG TERM SOLUTION. BUT THAT IS THAT IS A FULL CIRCLE SOCIAL SERVICE ISSUE. AND THAT IS NOT US. WE JUST ARE PROVIDING A SHELTER FOR OVERNIGHT AND MAYBE A FEW DAYS CARE TO GET THEM SOME. MANY OF THEM DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT CLOTHES FOR THE WEATHER AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS. IT SEEMS LIKE THOSE 72 PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE READY TO BE CLOTHED. FOOD. THEY FATTEN UP A LITTLE BIT. THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY HAVING TO WORK. WHAT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THESE PEOPLE? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT, I KNOW IT, I'M SORRY. I KNOW IT'S A PASSIONATE CONVERSATION AND I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO APPEAR THAT I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T HAVE ANY EMPATHY FOR ALL OF THAT. BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF PRESSURE ON OURSELVES AS A CITY, AS AN ORGANIZATION. WE HAVE 19 NONPROFITS IN HERE THAT WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER. IT DIDN'T SERVE. WE'RE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING FOOD. WE ARE, YOU KNOW, DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN FOR THE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR, YOU KNOW, UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT PERMANENT LONG TERM SOLUTIONS. AND SO THERE THAT'S WHAT I JUST NEED TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION. 
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I DO WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE COUNTY. HOPEFULLY THEY'RE HEARING ALL OF THIS TO DO THEIR PART. THE OTHER CITIES, THE CONGLOMERATE OF US AS A COMMUNITY, A COUNTY COMMUNITY, AND PUTTING THAT PRESSURE BACK ON OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO SEE HOW WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET SOME, GET SOME COOPERATION FROM SOME OTHER AREAS. I DON'T THINK THAT THE CITIES, I MEAN, THE COMMUNITY HERE IN DENTON, YOU KNOW, WE JUST TALK ABOUT INCLUSION. I'M ALSO PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS. YOU ALL KNOW MY STORY. THE CONCLUSION IS THAT THE CITIZENS OF DENTON, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE WEIGHED DOWN ON THIS IN ANY KIND OF WAY. AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT PART IS FAIR FOR US. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER BURT. I DO THINK THREE OF THE INITIATIVES TO WHICH WE'RE SEEKING RECOMMENDATION ONE IN PRACTICE HIT ON THE THREE THINGS THAT YOU INDICATED. SO IN THE LEGISLATIVE SEEKING ADDITIONAL FUNDING. SO WE CAN HAVE MORE OPTIONS FOR THOSE PERMANENT SOLUTIONS TO EXIT PEOPLE INTO A BETTER SITUATION. AND THE ENGAGEMENT AND PROGRAMING IS ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT. AS YOU'RE IN THE SHELTER OF WORKING TOWARDS A BETTER SITUATION AND THEN THE REGIONAL FUNDING SUPPORT. SO THAT BOARD HAS ALREADY DRAFTED A LETTER WHICH WILL GO TO THE DENTON COUNTY LEADERSHIP TEAM, WHICH WILL BE DISTRIBUTED SEEKING HELP. FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO FOLLOW ALONG YOUR ENGAGEMENT, YOUR YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AT LEAST A COUPLE OF THEM FOR THE ENGAGEMENT COMPONENT. I MEAN THAT THAT'S HONESTLY SOUNDS REASONABLE. BUT THEN I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE A CONCEPT OF WHAT HAPPENS FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT FAIL TO ACHIEVE THAT SORT OF, YOU KNOW, LOOSE, LOOSE RECOMMENDATION FOR, FOR ENGAGEMENT? MANY PEOPLE WILL WILL BE DIVERTED. WHAT DO YOU WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR THOSE THAT FAIL TO ACHIEVE THAT IN UNDER THE GOAL TIME FRAMES AND ETAS. SO OUR ACTION ITEM IS TO BRING BACK A PROPOSAL FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION THAT WILL RUN THROUGH EACH OF THOSE INITIATIVES. BUT THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND IT IS WE WANT TO HELP YOU WHILE YOU ARE HERE. THE SERVICES ARE HERE, AND WE WANT YOU ACTIVELY ENGAGED AND WORKING TOWARDS A BETTER INDIVIDUAL SOLUTION. SO IN THE PROPOSAL, I IMAGINE WE'LL BRING BACK WHAT EACH OF THOSE SCENARIOS LOOK LIKE. IF THERE'S NOT CONTINUED ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT OR WE GET TO A NEEDING A RESOURCE THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE, WHERE DO WE GO FROM THERE? OKAY, WELL AND I'LL HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO THAT. IT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE NEED SOME SORT OF SCOPE. AND I AND I ASKED FOR THIS ON ON THE ODB BOARD, THE SHELTER BOARD. BUT I'LL SAY IT AGAIN HERE FOR STAFF, I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME STATS ON WHAT WHAT OUR COSTS ARE FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS. AN EMERGENCY CALL VERSUS DIVERSION. YOU KNOW, IF AN EMERGENCY, I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE UP A NUMBER AND I KNOW IT MAY NOT BE TRUE, BUT JUST AS A HYPOTHETICAL, IF AN EMERGENCY CALL COSTS US $1,000, BUT WE CAN DIVERT FOUR PEOPLE FOR $1,000, THEN THEN DIVERSION ACTUALLY SAVES US MONEY. SO. AND THAT GETS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION THAT IT'S SORT OF AND I'LL USE IT TO SEGUE INTO THE RAISING BARRIERS IS I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S, THAT'S I'M HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME IS THE NEED, THE SCOPE OF THE NEED, WHICH WE'VE HEARD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT HERE. THE FRAMEWORK AND SCOPE FOR THE NEED VERSUS WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE CITY IN THAT. SO IF THE NEED, IF THE SCOPE AND THE NEED FOR THE REGION OR EVEN OUR PIECE OF THE REGION IS AGAIN, I'M GOING TO MAKE UP A NUMBER IS 75 STAFF OF VARIOUS SORTS. AND WE'RE ABLE TO REASONABLY BASED ON OUR POPULATION DENSITY OR EVEN OUR, OUR PERSONAL PREFERENCES AS A COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, COVER 30% OF THAT. OKAY, FINE. THEN THEN WE'RE YOU KNOW, THAT GIVES US A NUMBER TO TAKE TO OUR PARTNERS IN LEWISVILLE AND THE COUNTY AND THE CITY AND THE STATE AND THE OTHER REGIONS TO SAY, WELL, OKAY, THIS IS THIS IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO PARTICIPATE IN. SO I WOULD I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME IDEAS FOR THE SCOPE AND FRAMEWORK OF THE NEED VERSUS THE SCOPE AND FRAMEWORK FOR WHAT IS REASONABLE FOR THE CITY OF DENTON TO PROVIDE AND THAT GETS ME INTO THIS, THIS NEXT QUESTION ABOUT NUMBER TWO, ENTRY REQUIREMENTS AND BARRIERS AND THAT IS WHAT SORT OF, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT WE SHOULD ONLY MORALLY AND ETHICALLY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR 
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CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THIS LOAD, WHAT SHOULD OUR BARRIERS BE AND HOW DO YOU IMPLEMENT THEM? AND I REALIZE THAT THAT'S THE WHOLE ENTIRE QUESTION. BUT DO WE DO WE HAVE ANY PRELIMINARY THOUGHTS ON ON BARRIERS VERSUS NON BARRIERS YET RIGHT NOW WITH THE LOW BARRIER. SO SOMEONE CAN COME IN UNDER THE INFLUENCE AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE SHELTER. NOW OUR DAILY BREAD STAFF AND THE BOARD HAVE ALREADY COMMITTED TO AND WE'RE WORKING ON I BELIEVE IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE, A CODE OF CONDUCT OF WHEN YOU COME IN AND HOW YOU SHOULD BEHAVE WHEN YOU'RE IN THE SHELTER. BUT RAISING BARRIERS. WE WANT TO BRING THAT PROPOSAL ABOUT WHAT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          BUT IT COULD ULTIMATELY INCLUDE DRUG TESTING BEFORE ACCESSING THE FACILITY TO INCREASE WITH THE GOAL OF SAFETY AND EFFICIENCY IS WHAT WOULD BE BRINGING BACK. WELL, YEAH, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF EMERGENCY SERVICE PROVISION. THERE IS JUST I, I KEEP HUMANS ALIVE. I'M AN EMERGENCY SERVICE PROVISION. AND THEN AS, AS WE TRY TO GO INTO DIVERSIONARY PROGRAMS, WE MAY HAVE TO SET REQUIREMENTS, BUT THAT WOULD BE A, AN ISSUE OF, OF DISCUSSION FOR LATER COUNCILS. BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IF YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE DIFFERENT SERVICE LEVELS, ARE THERE DIFFERENT BARRIERS YOU ENVISION FOR THE DIFFERENT SERVICE LEVELS? YES. AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT EMERGENCY VERSUS TRANSITIONAL. SO IF YOU'RE IN THE TRANSITIONAL WING AND YOU'RE STUDYING OR YOU'RE WORKING FOR A JOB TRAINING, YOU HAVE MORE OF A STABLE CONDITION IMPLEMENTING THE DRUG TESTING AT THAT LEVEL, BECAUSE THE GOAL IS TO GET YOU READY FOR A JOB FOR PERMANENT HOUSING SOLUTIONS. SO WE WOULD BRING YOU BACK EMERGENCY SHELTER VERSUS TRANSITIONAL WING AND HOW THAT COULD POTENTIALLY WORK. AND I GUESS MY LAST ONE IS IT'S GOING TO BE THREE AND FOUR ARE FUNDING, YOU KNOW, SERVICE PROVISION AND WHETHER WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING RAW CASH FOR SERVICE PROVISION OR YOU'RE TALKING IN-KIND, WHICH IS WHAT NUMBER FOUR IS SERVICE PROVISIO. 
          SOME OF THAT IS, IS REGIONAL LEADERSHIP. AND I THINK WE'RE SHOWING THAT WE'RE PROVIDING REGIONAL LEADERSHIP BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THIS. BUT IT IS INCUMBENT ON US. I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THIS BODY. IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO GET WITH OUR PARTNERS ACROSS THE REGION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY THEY STEP UP, TOO, BECAUSE THEY'RE THEIR COSTS CAN'T BE TRANSFERRED TO US. IT'S A REGIONAL EFFORT. IT'S A NATIONAL EFFORT. I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT BEFORE. BUT IF YOU NEVER IF YOU NEVER TAKE ANY STEPS DOWN THE PATH, IF NO ONE SAYS, I'M GOING TO NUCLEATE THIS AND CREATE A POTENTIAL FOR A SOLUTION, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE SOLUTIONS. YOU'RE YOU'RE JUST SHUNTING IT OFF. SO I GUESS I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO AS I CONTINUE ON THE BOARD AND I'LL BE LOOKING FOR STAFF AND OUR PARTNERS IN THE AUDIENCE, HOW WE CAN BETTER COORDINATE THAT, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HEARD SO FAR IS, ARE WE'RE THE ONLY ONES. AND SO THAT'S A COORDINATION EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT'S CHEAPER TO DIVERT THAN TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM. YOU VACCINATE PEOPLE, YOU DON'T LET THEM CATCH DISEASES. SO IT'S THE SAME SORT OF ANALOGY THAT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS FOR THIS, I, I, I'M FINE WITH THE ACTION ITEMS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO NEBULOUS THAT THEY'RE ONLY PROVIDING A FRAMEWORK FOR GOING FORWARD. SO I'M, I'M FINE WITH THOSE. SO THE QUESTION IS AND I'M JUST ASKING I DON'T HAVE THE SAME QUESTION, BUT THIS IS THE QUESTION WHEN YOU SAY DIVERSION, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A DEFINITION OUT THERE. YOU DIDN'T EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS. YOU'VE SAID IT A NUMBER OF TIMES WITH NO EXPLANATION OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SURE, I'D BE HAPPY TO KNOW A DIVERSION OUT OF PRIMARY EMERGENCY SERVICES, WHATEVER THOSE PRIMARY EMERGENCY SERVICES ARE, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY SERVICE PROVISION IN THE SHELTER, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMS AND FIRE, TAKING CARE OF SOMEBODY THAT'S FOUND. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SHELTER, IF YOU DON'T HAVE DIVERSIONARY PROGRAMS TO GET YOU INTO SOME SOME SOMETHING ELSE, THEN WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE JUST KEEPING THEM ALIVE AND THE SERVICES THAT IT COSTS TO KEEP THEM ALIVE. AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT IN THE SHELTER, I'M TALKING WHEN, YOU KNOW SOMEONE IS FOUND IN THE WOODS AND HOW TO WHAT DOES IT COST FOR POLICE AND FIRE TO RESPOND TO SOMEONE WHO IS FOUND IN THE WOODS IN A IN A CRISIS SITUATION? WHAT DOES THAT COST US VERSUS HAVING THEM IN A PROGRAM THAT DIVERTS THEM TO SOMETHING CHEAPER? SO WE DON'T HAVE CONTINUED EMERGENCY SERVICE PROVISION RESPONSES ALL THE TIM. OH, OKAY. WELL, THAT AND SOME OF THAT WILL BLEED INTO OUR NEXT CONVERSATION WHEN WE HAVE THIS TOPIC MORE BROADLY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. 
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REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX COUNCILPERSON JESTER I'LL TRY TO GO FAST BECAUSE I'VE GOT A LOT TO SAY AND TOUCH ON. FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. THE INFORMATION WAS VERY EASY TO DIGEST AND INCREDIBLY HELPFUL. I ALSO WANT TO THANK ALL THOSE THAT ARE HERE AND NOT HERE WITH OUR DAILY BREAD, WITH UNITED WAY OF DENTON COUNTY, THE SALVATION ARMY. I'VE TOURED OUR DAILY BREAD AND I SEE THE DEDICATION AND THE SERVICE THAT'S BEING PROVIDED THERE AND AM VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. I WILL ALSO SAY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THE TIME SET ASIDE FOR THIS CONVERSATION HERE TODAY WITH COUNCIL, BECAUSE I WENT BACK BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS IT WAS UP THERE. I WENT BACK TO OUR WHAT OVER IT SOUNDS LIKE AN OVERNIGHT. WHAT IS IT? OUR RETREAT. YEAH, IT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE WE HAD S'MORES AND CHATTED, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT WAS, HOWEVER. BUT DURING THAT WE HAD THE PRESENTATION OF THE SURVEY THAT HAD BEEN DONE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WITH A 95% CONFIDENCE RATE. AND WHAT WE CAME OUT WITH WAS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY BY FAR. AND I'VE GOT IT RIGHT HERE. EFFORTS TO MANAGE ISSUES RELATED TO HOMELESSNESS. THIS WAS ABOVE STREETS. IT WAS ABOVE ABOVE THE CONCERN FOR TRANSPORTATION. IT WAS ABOVE THE CONCERN FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. IS THIS ISSUE WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE TODAY. SO IT IS WORTH THE TIME THAT WE ARE SPENDING AND IS I JUST WANT TO REITERATE HOW MUCH IT'S WORTH, THE TIME THAT ALL OF THE STAFF AND EVERYONE HAS PUT INTO IT. IT IS A CONCERN. WHAT I'LL SAY WITH THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE POINT IN TIME COUNTS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONLY WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT, RIGHT? CORRECT. THESE ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WE HAD ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS TO CANVASS THIS AREA, AND THAT WE'RE WILLING TO TALK TO THEM AND GIVE ANSWERS. SO THIS IS I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY SAY IS ON THE LOW END OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY HERE AND WHAT WE'VE ALSO SEEN, BECAUSE THE INFORMATION WE HAVE THUS FAR SHOWS US, EVEN WITH THE NOMINAL NUMBERS WE HAVE, IS THAT DENTON HAS A LARGER THAN NORMAL FOR DENTON COUNTY, NUMBER OF HOMELESS. AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS AS FAR AS KNOWING THESE ARE NOT HOME GROWN, THESE ARE PEOPLE COMING FROM OTHER PLACES. AND MY CONCERN IS NOT ONLY THE FUNDING FOR THE SHELTER, BUT ALL OF THE RELATED COSTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY GONE INTO AS FAR AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CALLS, AS FAR AS THE EMT CALLS AND WHAT I WILL SAY TOO, IS I'M SURE I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE HERE THAT HAS HEARD OF PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING OUT OF TOWN TO GO TO TARGET AND OTHER PLACES BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO COME TO LOOP 288 BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID, BECAUSE OF AN INCREASE IN CERTAIN TRAFFIC THAT'S THERE. AND, AND, AND CRIME THAT HAS RAISED IN THAT AREA. HENCE OUR, YOU KNOW, SHOPPING CENTER CAMERAS THAT WE ARE LOOKING INTO FOR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY. I DO WANT TO MAKE A QUICK NOTE AND APOLOGIZE, BECAUSE DURING THE CAMPAIGN, I REFERENCED INFORMATION THAT I RECEIVED FROM SOMEONE AS FAR AS HOW MANY CALLS AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF CALLS FROM STATION TO WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WERE GOING TO OUR DAILY BREAD, AND I MISSPOKE. AND SO IT EVEN THOUGH IT IS A HIGH NUMBER WITH ALMOST 29%, WHAT I WAS SAYING ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL WAS HIGHER THAN THAT. AND SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I WAS MISTAKEN, AND I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. AND ANYTIME I FIND AND SOMEONE DID INFORM ME OF A DIFFERENCE IN THAT NUMBER, HOWEVER, I WAS TRUSTING THE INITIAL PERSON THAT GAVE ME THE INFORMATION AND DID NOT USE THE CORRECT NUMBER. SO I JUST WANTED TO GO ON THE RECORD TO SAY I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT AND I ALWAYS WANT TO CORRECT MYSELF WHEN I'M WRONG. HOWEVER, WE KNOW THIS PROBLEM IS GROWING AND NOT SHRINKING. MY ISSUE WITH SAYING LET'S COORDINATE WITH OTHER CITIES AND COUNTY AND THE COUNT, ETC, IS THAT WE CANNOT FORCE THEM TO DO THIS. THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN FORCE THEM TO PARTICIPATE. THEIR SHARE OF THE COUNTY CONSTITUENTS, OR ANY SMALLER OR LARGER. I I'VE SPOKEN TO PEOPLE AT THE COUNTY LEVEL AND OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO SAY WHEN I ASKED THEM ABOUT THEIR HOMELESS PROBLEM, THEY I LITERALLY HEAR NOT FROM THE COUNTY, BUT FROM CITIES IN THE AREA. WE JUST DROPPED THEM OFF IN DENTON. WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, SO WE HAVE A PROBLEM. WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE IN DENTON. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S OBVIOUS AND I APPRECIATE THE ACTION ITEMS THAT CITY STAFF AS WELL AS OUR DAILY BREAD STAFF AND THE ADVISORY BOARD, ETC. HAVE COME TOGETHER AND SAID, LET'S TRY THESE AVENUES TO TRY TO LIMIT TO OUR ORIGINAL INTENT OF THIS BEING AN EMERGENCY SHELTER AND NOT A LONG TERM SHELTER. LET'S LIMIT IT TO, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS, WHO IS FROM OUR AREA AS OPPOSED TO THE DENTON TAXPAYERS TAKING CARE OF THE, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY THE NATIONS PEOPLE COMING FROM ALL OVER THE 
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NATION TO DENTON AS WELL AS IN DENTON COUNTY. AND SO I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE COMING FORWARD WITH THESE ACTION ITEMS. AND I AM SUPPORTING THESE. YOU KNOW, INCREASING SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS, WHETHER IT'S PARTICIPATING IN AND MEETING WITH ONE OF THE CASE OFFICERS, WHETHER IT'S PARTICIPATING IN A SERVICE FOR ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS OR SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE THAT, WHETHER IT'S PARTICIPATING IN, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF GETTING AN ID THAT YOU CAN HAVE THESE KIND OF REQUIREMENTS, AT LEAST AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO SAY, IN ORDER TO STAY HERE, OUR TAXPAYERS ARE GOING TO SAY, YOU NEED TO DO SOME THINGS TO I THINK THAT'S VERY REASONABLE, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING WE'VE GOT 70 PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE OVER A YEAR AND POTENTIALLY SINCE THE SHELTER OPENED, AND THAT IS NOT SUCCESSFUL. AND THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT OF THE SHELTER. SO I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF REVISING THE LOW BARRIER STATUS. AND AGAIN, ALL OF THESE THINGS WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE STEPS NOW. AND SO I'M VERY GRATEFUL BECAUSE OF COURSE EVERYONE WANTS EVERYONE ELSE TO BE OKAY. YOU WANT TO HELP PEOPLE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT UNITES US IS THAT WE ALL WANT EVERYONE TO BE HEALTHY AND HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS. THAT'S OUR GOAL. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT THE CITY OF DENTON'S JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYONE THAT CROSSES OUR BORDER, WE TAKE CARE OF FOR THE LONG TERM. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ELECTED TO DO. SO ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS AND EVERYONE ELSE, THANK YOU AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH TRYING SOME NEW OPTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SORRY, REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. THEN THREE I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I TALKED A LOT. THAT'S ALL. CHRISTINE I WANT TO PICK UP WHERE DOCTOR BECK LEFT OFF IN HIS SECOND TO LAST POINT. I SEE IT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT MORE SUPPORT FROM OUR NEIGHBORING OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES. I SEE THE ACTION ITEM THAT THE SHELTER HAS DRAFTED A LETTER. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT? WE'RE GOING TO DISTRIBUTE IT TO THE DENTON COUNTY LEADERSHIP HOMELESS LEADERSHIP TEAM, WHO ON THAT LEADERSHIP TEAM IS COMPRISED OF MEMBERS FROM THE COUNTY, THEIR CITY REPRESENTATION, THEIR PARTNER AGENCY REPRESENTATION. SO EVERYONE WORKING TOWARDS THIS MULTIFACETED APPROACH IS ON THAT LEADERSHIP TEAM. SO IT'S ALMOST THE HEY, WE NEED HELP. HERE'S THE INFORMATION WE HAVE AND WE ARE SEEKING FUNDING IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO MAXIMIZE RESOURCES AND HAVE SUCCESSFUL HOUSING PLACEMENTS FUNDING. SO THAT MEANS MONEY. YES. SO TRADITIONALLY WE LIKE TO THINK THAT WE CAN'T REALLY SPEND DOLLARS OUTSIDE OF OUR BORDERS, BUT WE KNOW THAT IN THIS CASE. 
          WELL, LET ME ASK MAC, COULD ANOTHER CITY PERHAPS CHIP IN FINANCIALLY AT OUR SHELTER IF THEY HAVE RESIDENTS THAT ARE SEEKING SERVICES THAT ARE GETTING SERVICES? I CAN ANSWER AND THE ANSWER IS YES. I MEAN, OUR DAILY BREAD IS OPERATING THE SHELTER. AND THEY DO SEEK DIRECT REPORT, DIRECT SUPPORT THROUGH FUNDRAISING INITIATIVES ALREADY. SO CERTAINLY THESE MUNICIPALITIES CAN PROVIDE MONEY TO THE OPERATION OF THE SHELTER DIRECTLY TO OUR DAILY BREAD. HAS THAT HAPPENED SINCE THE SHELTER HAS BEEN OPEN YET? NO, WE'RE THE ONLY MUNICIPALITY PROVIDING ONGOING OPERATIONAL SUPPORT. THEY DO RECEIVE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE. WE CAN PROVIDE AN EXACT BREAKDOWN, BUT THEY DO HAVE CHURCHES PROVIDING ASSISTANCE. THEY DO HAVE GRANTS. 
          SO THERE ARE THEY ARE RECEIVING SUPPORT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF DENTON. CURRENTLY. I GUESS I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT A ROBUST PLAN FOR SOLICITING SUPPORT FROM OUR OTHER COUNTY CITIES LOOKS LIKE. AND I RECOGNIZE TIME IS GETTING AWAY. I WANT TO LEAVE SOME TIME FOR MAYOR QUICKLY BEFORE WE I UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO REEVALUATE ENTRY REQUIREMENTS, BUT BEFORE THOSE ACTUALLY GO IN PLACE, I DO HOPE THAT THIS BODY WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THOSE REVISED REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO BE. CORRECT. YEAH, THAT THE ACTION ITEM IS FOR US TO GO BACK AND THEN DRAFT A PROPOSAL. LOOK AT THOSE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND BRING THAT BACK FOR COUNCIL CONVERSATION. AND THEN ULTIMATELY YOUR RECOMMENDATION BEFORE ANYTHING CHANGES. IF WE CHANGE THE BARRIERS WE NEED TO AMEND THE OPERATING AGREEMENT, WHICH WILL REQUIRE COUNCIL ACTION. ALSO, I WILL JUST NOTE THAT FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO OFTEN SEE AN UNHOUSED PERSON AND FEEL UNSAFE, FEELINGS ARE NOT ALWAYS FACTS. THE DATA SUPPORTS THAT UNHOUSED FOLKS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE VICTIMS OF CRIME THAN PERPETRATORS. I WILL ALSO NOTE, FOR US, JUST AS A BODY TO WE DO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, BUT LET US MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CAREFUL WITH THIS CONVERSATION. WE UNDERSTAND THAT OTHER CITIES FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY ARE ASSISTING PEOPLE WITH GETTING TO DENTON, BUT THIS COMMUNITY IN LARGE PART DOES NOT FEEL LIKE THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO. SO LET'S BE MINDFUL OF DOING SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE. IF IT'S UNLOADING A PROBLEM ON SOMEONE ELSE, BUT 
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ALSO BE MINDFUL OF OUR TAXPAYERS. I THINK THAT WE CAN DO BOTH VERSUS DOING SOME THINGS THAT WE FIND OBJECTIONABLE THAT ARE HAPPENING TO US. LET'S NOT DO WHAT OTHER FOLK ARE DOING TO US. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT THREE I HAVE A NUMBER OF AREAS TO EXPLORE, SO I THINK THE MAYOR AND I ARE PROBABLY THE ONLY ONES WHO ARE STILL HERE FROM WHEN THE INITIAL VOTES WERE MADE TO MAKE THE SHELTER HAPPEN, AND THE SORT OF SECRET SAUCE AT THE TIME WAS CASE MANAGEMENT. IN FACT, EVEN BEFORE THE SHELTER, WE VOTED TO FUND CASE MANAGEMENT. YOU KNOW, ENHANCED CASE MANAGEMENT BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT WAS GOING TO HELP PEOPLE MOVE THROUGH THE SYSTEM INSTEAD OF STAYING STUCK IN THE SYSTEM. SO IS IT HAPPENING? WHY ISN'T IT WORKING? WHAT'S THE GAP THERE? I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT ANSWER ON ALL OF IT. WE'VE PRESENTED THE STAT OF THE RATIO. SO THAT'S FROM A NUMBER OF REASONS. FUNDING IS A PRIMARY ONE VACANCIES. AND THEN JUST THE INCREASED NUMBER FROM MOVING FROM THAT SMALLER OPERATION TO A LARGER OPERATION IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. OKAY. I CAN TEAM UP THERE MAY NOT BE YOU KNOW, EXHAUSTIVELY ANSWERED IN THIS MOMENT, BUT THESE ARE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, STRIKE ME ANYWA. I WOULD JUST EXPRESS AN OPINION THAT I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING OURSELVES ANY FAVOR THE WAY WE'RE MEASURING NOW TO SAY THESE PEOPLE ARE ALL FROM DENTON IS I MEAN, EVEN CITY MANAGER SAID THEY'RE NOT ALL FROM DENTON. WE 100% KNOW YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT IN ANYTHING LIKE THE RATIOS SHOWN FROM DENTON. NOW, I, I THINK THE FIRST TIME I DID A POINT IN TIME COUNT WAS MAYBE 2019 OR THEREABOUTS. AND I RECALL THE STATISTICS AT THAT TIME WERE THAT HALF WERE FROM SOMEWHERE IN DENTON COUNTY, ROUGHLY HALF SOMEWHERE IN DENTON COUNTY, BUT NOT DENTON. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE ASKING THE QUESTION THEN I DOUBT. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY THINKS THAT BASIC SITUATION HAS CHANGED, THAT THEY'RE NOT LITERALLY PEOPLE WHO USED TO LIVE ON ELM STREET OR WHATEVER AND NOW ARE UNHOUSED. YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW WE'RE NOT ASKING THE QUESTION A WAY TO IN A WAY TO GET AT THAT KNOWN FACT. WE'RE NOT HELPING OURSELVES AT ALL BY DOING THAT BECAUSE BECAUSE WE DO ULTIMATELY NEED TO MAKE IT THE PROBLEM OF THOSE WHO ARE DUMPING THE PROBLEM ON US. AND I'LL COME BACK TO THAT, THIS, THIS KIND OF TWO LEGS OF WHAT I WANT TO ASK ABOUT AND TALK ABOUT. THE OTHER ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, UNADDRESSED, NOT FULLY ADDRESSED ROOT CAUSE KIND OF THING. YOU KNOW, WE HAD AN ANSWER FROM STAFF THAT 42% OF THOSE CURRENTLY IN THE SHELTER SAY THAT THEY HAVE A SERIOUS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE. AND CITY MANAGER OPINED THAT IT'S LIKE MORE LIKE 70% NATIONWIDE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE EVEN ANSWERING FORTHRIGHTLY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BUT 42% ALREADY IS A LARGE NUMBER. WE ALSO HEARD FROM OUR CITY JUDGE DURING THAT SAME RETREAT THAT IF HE HAD 15 MORE BEDS, HE'S NOT EXACTLY LIKE A FIREBRAND KIND OF PERSONALITY, THAT IF HE HAD 15 MORE BEDS TO COMMIT PEOPLE TO NOW, HE WASN'T SAYING THESE WERE ALL UNHOUSED PEOPLE, BUT THERE MAY WELL BE SOME OVERLAP THAT IT WOULD DECREASE HIS CASELOAD BY 75%. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. SO TALK ABOUT DIVERSION. LIKE I'M WONDERING LIKE, YEAH, WE NEED TO BE GREAT TO FIND SOURCES OF FUNDING TO DO THIS. BUT, YOU KNOW, I WONDER AT A CERTAIN POINT, ARE WE SPENDING MONEY, YOU KNOW, SENDING FIRE EMT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S THE SOLUTION THAT WE HAVE. BUT, YOU KNOW, WOULD WE BE BETTER OFF CHIPPING AWAY AT THAT BED COUNT AND NOT HAVING PEOPLE JUST CYCLE THROUGH CYCLE THROUGH CYCLE THROUGH? SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE BIT ON THE IDEA OF A COUNTYWIDE, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATION FROM LIKE YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE PARTICIPATE IN THE DENTON COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH COMMITTEE. YOU KNOW, I ASKED ABOUT WHERE DO WE STAND ON GETTING PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE. AND THE ANSWER WAS, WELL, WE'RE MEASURING GAPS AND WE'VE BEEN MEASURING GAPS FOR ABOUT 6 OR 7 YEARS AS FAR AS I KNOW. I MEAN, HOW CAN WE HOW CAN WE DO BETTER? CAN WE INVITE THAT GROUP TO A JOINT MEETING AND SHARE THIS SQUARELY AND HAVE A CONVERSATION LIKE THIS IS NOT GETTING ADDRESSED YEARS TICK BY AND IT'S JUST GETTING WORSE. AND THEN ON THE ON THE I WANT TO ASK YOU TO ANSWER IT JUST, YOU KNOW, TEEING UP PROPOSALS. NOW I'M GOING TO SAY SOME THINGS THAT ARE PROBABLY NOT AT ALL PRACTICAL, BUT BUT BUT MAYBE IT'LL INDICATE A DIRECTION THAT YOU CAN BUILD TO ACTUALLY WORKABLE IDEAS FROM UNDER THE HEADING OF MAKE IT THEIR PROBLEM. CAN WE GET ON? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, CAN WE TRACK ACCURATELY BETTER THAN WE'RE 
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DOING NOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE REALLY FROM? WE KNOW WE CAN DO THAT, RIGHT? SO WE'VE GOT TO DO THAT AND THEN CAN WE GET ON THEIR AGENDAS? CAN WE BE IN THEIR OPEN MICS NOW? I'LL BE A LITTLE LIKE FLORIDA GOVERNOR. LIKE, CAN WE BRING PEOPLE TO THOSE MEETINGS AND BRING THEM BACK? THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE FLORIDA GOVERNOR. BRING THEM BACK, BUT BRING THEM TO THOSE MEETINGS. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE DIRECTION IS MAKE IT THEIR PROBLEM. THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO PARTICIPATE BECAUSE IT ISN'T A PROBLEM. RANT OVER. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE WHEN YOU FINISH THAT. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. SO WE'LL GO GO RIGHT AHEAD AND THEN I'LL SO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS TEXTED ME AND SAID, YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOU'RE ON FIRE. BUT IT IS PASSION. I WANT TO BE CLEAR. I'VE SPENT YEARS DEALING WITH THIS SITUATION. WHEN I WAS IN AUSTIN, NOT JUST AS A DIRECTOR, BECAUSE I DEALT WITH IT DIRECTLY WITH PEOPLE IN CAMPING, IN PARKS AND OTHER FACILITY AREAS WHERE IT WAS SEEN AS UNSAFE. I DISAGREE WITH YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE. THE PROBLEM IS WITH HOMELESSNESS. INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE WHO ARE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF DRUGS AND ALCOHOL. A TWU STUDENT WAS ATTACKED IN OUR PARK, NOT LONG AGO BY A PERSON EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, AND RECENTLY SOME INDIVIDUAL WAS STABBED MULTIPLE TIMES IN ANOTHER CITY. AND IT IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM BECAUSE OF BEING THE UNDER, UNDER THE INFLUENCE AND BECAUSE OF BEING MENTALLY UNSTABLE. AND SO IT IS NOT PORTRAYING ANYBODY INACCURATELY. IT IS THE PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, WHICH IS HAVING MONEY OR AVAILABLE SERVICES TO BRING THEM DOWN FROM BEING MENTALLY ILL AND ON DRUGS AND ALCOHOL, TO WHERE THEY WOULD DO THINGS THAT ARE NOT SEEN AS ACCEPTABLE IN A COMMUNITY. PARAMETERS. SETTING PARAMETERS IS WHERE YOU'RE HEADED, AND SETTING PARAMETERS WILL EQUAL EQUATE TO SUCCESS BECAUSE YOU. IF YOU OPEN THE OPEN EVERYTHING UP AND LET EVERYONE COME IN, THERE WILL BE NO SUCCESS. THE SUCCESS COMES FROM SETTING PARAMETERS ON PROGRAMS, ON ENTRANCE, ON CASEWORKERS, ON SAYING YOUR TIME IS UP. WHERE WERE YOU A MONTH AGO? NOT LAST NIGHT. WHERE WERE YOU ORIGINATING AND PERHAPS GIVING THEM A RIDE BACK TO WHERE THEY ORIGINATED? AND I KNOW THAT SOUNDS VERY MEAN, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, IT HAPPENS IN OTHER CITIES AND BUS TICKETS ARE GIVEN TO GO BACK WHERE THEY WERE, WHERE THEIR FAMILY IS. AND THE QUESTION ABOUT POLICE AND FIRE IS GOING TO GET WORSE BECAUSE WHEN THEY'RE CALLED, IT'S NOT FOR IT HAS BEEN AND THEY'RE WORKING ON IT. IT'S EVERYTHING I'M TALKING ABOUT, ROY, AND EVERYONE IS WORKING ON WENDY, BUT IT'S NOT A PROBLEM THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED OVERNIGHT. BUT WHEN THEY CALL AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PHONE, SO IT'S NOT ODB CALLING, IT'S THE INDIVIDUAL IN THE SHELTER THAT'S CALLING, AND THEY HAVE A BAD TOENAIL OR THEY THEY DIDN'T GET A BED THAT NIGHT. AND SO IT IS CALLS THAT ARE NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO HEALTH AND HUMAN ISSUES. SOMETIMES THEY ARE. IT'S A FIGHT AND SOMEBODY HURT. SERIOUSLY. 
          BUT OTHER TIMES IT'S THEY DIDN'T GET A BED OR I HAVE A BROKEN TOENAIL. AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT WE HAVE ANOTHER SESSION THAT'S COMING IN DECEMBER TO TALK ABOUT THE ENCAMPMENTS AND, AND A RECOMMENDATION HOW TO DEAL THAT. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS BECAUSE AND IT'S NOT SOMETHINGET SOLVE HOMELESSNESS HERE. WHAT WE CAN DO IS MAKE IT RARE AND NOT OCCURRING. FOR SOME. WE CAN WHERE IT WHERE IT'S A BRIEF SITUATION, BUT SOLVING HOMELESSNESS IS A REOCCURRING PROBLEM BECAUSE OF PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. AND SO THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS SET PARAMETERS AND COUNCIL ENDORSE THOSE. AND YOU ALL HELP US TO GET OTHER CITIES TO BUY IN AND PROVIDE THE CARE THAT WE CAN IN AN EMERGENCY SHELTER SITUATION, BUT MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THIS IS NOT AN EXTENDED STAY HOTEL. AND THAT'S AND I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT IT BECAUSE I DEALT WITH THIS FOR YEARS AND WROTE THE WROTE THE REPORT FOR 12 PAGES AND IN A LARGE CITY THAT HAD TO WORK ON THIS AND IT AND IT'S STILL NOT WORKING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COST ANALYSIS OF A CASE MANAGER. AND HERE'S WHERE I'M LOOKING. I, I COMPARE IT TO WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT COULDN'T HANDLE THE WORKLOAD WE HAD. RIGHT. AND SO WE OUTSOURCED THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TELEHEALTH OR SOMETHING, BUT I 
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WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE MATH ON SOME SORT OF CASE SERVICE THAT'S SCALABLE, THAT AUGMENTS. AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S JUST A GREAT RESOURCE TO HAVE IT BE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE VA HAS CERTAIN BAYS FOR TELEHEALTH. SO TO SUPPLEMENT, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THE CITY OF DENTON, DEPENDING ON THE PRICING COULD DO. AND STEP UP STRAIGHT AWAY. THE OTHER THING THAT RELATED TO THE SHELTER THAT THAT I WOULD SAY FROM A NEEDS COMPONENT OR A DISCUSSION COMPONENT IN ORDER IN ORDER TO GET PEOPLE ON BOARD, WE HAVE TO AT SOME POINT, I BELIEVE, TO GET MORE COMMUNITY SUPPORT HERE, THE COMMUNITY. RIGHT. AND SO TO THAT END, IF WE SEE THINGS THAT AREN'T IN LINE, LET'S ADJUST THOSE THINGS. AND SO I SAY THAT TO SAY THAT THE SHELTER DOESN'T HAVE TO LOOK LIKE A SHELTER. THERE'S OFTENTIMES I DRIVE BY IN LUKE 28. AND HERE'S A CHALLENGE RIGH. 
          SOMEONE'S SLEEPING ON A BENCH OUT THERE. THERE'S TRASH AROUND THERE. THERE'S TRASH ALONG THE WALK PATH. DME HAD TO GO BACK AND CLEAN THAT UP. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          I JUST WANT TO HAVE THAT AGAIN. I WANT IT TO BE A DISCUSSION, BUT I JUST IF I'M ADVOCATING FOR PEOPLE DONATING, PARTICIPATING, VOLUNTEERING FOR THE SHELTER, THE COMPONENT TO THAT IS, HEY, I CAN, YOU KNOW, VISUALLY, WE'RE SHOWING SUCCESS. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT ALLOWING IT. AND IT'S THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. I KNOW THAT'S DIFFICULT. IT'S MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, YOU KNOW. DO YOU GO OUT THERE? IT'S NOT SAFE. THAT'S WHY I'M NOT PROPOSING A FIX. I'M JUST WANTING US TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND HAVE IT IN CONCERT WITH THOSE THAT ARE SEEING THAT ARE THERE DAY IN, DAY OUT AND CAN INFORM THOSE DECISIONS AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHAT'S MANAGEABLE AND NO DIFFERENT THAN TELL ME WHAT WE NEED TO DO. NO DIFFERENT THAN THE FENCE, RIGHT? I JUST SAID, HEY, WE NEED A FENCE. GREAT. LET ME GO MAKE SOME PHONE CALLS. WE HAVE A FENCE, SO I'M HAPPY TO GET MY TO ROLL UP MY SLEEVES AND GET IN THERE WITH THEM. I JUST NEED DIRECTION ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT JUST PROVIDING FEEDBACK BASED ON WHAT I HEAR. 
          YEAH, I THINK EVERYONE'S TOUCHED ON IT, BUT IT'S JUST A CLEAR COMMUNICATION OF AN EXIT PLAN. 
          WHEN YOU ARRIVE, AND THAT JUST SETS THE TONE. YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S JUST A DIFFERENT TONE AND EXPECTATION. RIGHT. AND I THINK THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT TAKES A LOT JUST TO KIND OF WHEN YOU WALK IN. AND OBVIOUSLY THE CITY MANAGER TOUCHED ON THE BARRIERS AND WHAT THAT'S NEEDED. AND I UNDERSTAND THE LOW BARRIER I DO, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCES. I USED TO I MEAN, IF SOMEONE IS NOT COGNITIVELY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND FOR WHATEVER REASON BASED ON SUBSTANCES, THERE'S IT JUST BECOMES DANGEROUS FOR EVERYONE. 
          AND THEY FEEL NO PAIN. RIGHT? SO YOU'RE THINKING, OH, WELL, YOU CAN RESTRAIN THEM. YOU CAN DO THIS. WELL, NO, THAT'S THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE BECAUSE OF DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS AND THAT THE LEVEL OF STRENGTH OR THE RESPONSE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET, IT'S JUST SO FOR THE SAFETY OF ALL INVOLVED VOLUNTEERS. ET CETERA. RIGHT. BECAUSE IF I WANT TO TAKE AGAIN, IF I'M ADVOCATING FOR HIGH SCHOOL KIDS TO GO VOLUNTEER THERE OR WHATEVER, THEY'RE 18, THEY HEY, THEY NEED TO BE SAFE. THERE'S THERE WOULD BE NOTHING WORSE THAN TO HAVE AN INCIDENT THERE FROM A FROM A VOLUNTEER STANDPOINT. AND THEN LOTS OF FOLKS TALKED ABOUT THE REGIONAL FUNDING AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS THAT I JUST AGREE, YOU CAN'T FORCE THEM TO PARTICIPATE. AND I DON'T WANT THE COUNTY TO PARTICIPATE IF NOT AT THE RIGHT LEVEL, BECAUSE AGAIN, IF THE COUNTY PARTICIPATES, THAT OPENS THE DOOR FOR EVERYONE ELSE BECAUSE IT'S A COUNTY FACILITY AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE IT HAS COUNTY DOLLARS. AND SO THAT THAT AND SO I'LL SKIP DOWN TO MY LAST POINT, THIS, THIS, THIS IS A PERFECT SUMMARY FOR ME. AND THIS IS WHERE DENTON STANDS TO BEGIN TO SET ITSELF APART. AND IT'S A HARD CONVERSATION, BUT IT'S A FACT. SO IN LATE JUNE, UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT RULED SIX THREE WITH THE WITH THE CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY VOTING TOGETHER, THAT CITIES THAT ARE ALLOWED TO ENFORCE FINES MAKE ARRESTS FOR PUBLIC CAMPING AND SLEEPING OUTDOORS, AND THREATEN JAIL TIME FOR THOSE WHO REPEATEDLY REFUSE TO MOVE INDOORS OR ACCEPT ASSISTANCE. 
          ASSISTANCE. THAT LAST PART, EXCEPT ASSISTANCE. SO WE HAVE A SHELTER WE CAN ENFORCE AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL THAN ANYONE IN THIS, IN THIS REGION THAT SANGE, CRUM, LEWISVILLE, ANYONE WE HAVE TO SHELTER INCLUDED AND FOCUSED HERE AVAIL OURSELVES OF THAT. WE INVESTED IN THAT FOR A REASON. 
          THE LAW SAYS WE CAN APPROACH THIS PROBLEM DIFFERENTLY AND IF WE DON'T USE THE TOOLS OF OUR 
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PROVIDED TO US, THEN SHAME ON U. IN MY ESTIMATION. NOW THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE HEAVY HANDED, BUT IT DOES HAVE TO BE. WE ENFORCE THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS. I'M ASSUMING IF I CALLED 911 FOR FRIVOLOUS REASONS, EVERY DAY, OR EVEN ONCE, THAT CHIEF HEDGES OR CHIEF ROBLEDO IS GOING TO COME SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR HABITS AND YOU NEED TO CORRECT YOUR BEHAVIOR, OR WE'RE GOING TO HANG ON TO YOU FOR A LITTLE WHILE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S JUST AND THAT'S EVERYONE THAT HAS IT. AND SO THOSE ARE THINGS I THINK WE NEED TO THERE TO ME, THERE'S A FIFTH POINT OF WHAT ARE WE UNIQUELY QUALIFIED TO DO BECAUSE WE'VE INVESTED IN A SHELTER. AND THEN LET'S LET'S TAKE A APPROACH TO THAT AND AGAIN, THAT JUST SETS THE TONE. IT DOESN'T CHANGE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IMMEDIATE, BUT IT LETS PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NO NONSENSE. 
          WE'RE GOING TO HELP YOU GET BACK ON YOUR FEET. WE'RE GOING TO HELP YOU GET GAINFULLY EMPLOYED. 
          AND IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THAT, THEN THAT THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. SO THAT THAT TO ME IS THE IS THE APPROACH. THE REGIONAL APPROACH IS AND IT'S A VARIATION OF WHAT EVERYONE ELSE SAID. BUT IT'S REALLY ABOUT PROTECTING OUR CITIZENS, OUR INVESTMENT AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX THAT ARE UNIQUE. AND YOU TOUCHED ON WHAT I WOULD JUST WANT TO, AGAIN, MY QUESTION IS, AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR BACK ON SOME PEOPLE RAISED THE ISSUE ALREADY. I'D LIKE TO HEAR BACK ON IF SOMEONE'S THERE OVER AN EXTENDED TIME. SO THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE FOR THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR AN EXTENDED AMOUNT OF TIME, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A COMPLETE PROHIBITION. IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T BE HERE ALL DAY. YOU CAN BE HERE IN THE EVENING TO SLEEP. YOU CAN BE CHECKED OUT THE NEXT MORNING, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE. RIGHT. BUT IF WE HAVE TO MOVE SOMETHING WHERE YOU CANNOT JUST BE THERE 100 DAYS, YOU KNOW, 360 DAYS A YEAR, 365 DAYS A YEAR, AND NEVER LEAVE THE FACILITY THAT IS THAT'S YOUR HOME AT THAT POINT. AND SO TO SOME KIND OF MANAGEMENT THAT SAYS, OKAY, THERE'S A PHASE BETWEEN THAT FIRST 120, 130 DAYS, WHATEVER, WHATEVER IS DECIDED. GREAT. ALL IN. OKAY. NEXT 60 DAYS, WE'RE TRANSITIONING. YOU CAN'T BE HERE ALL DAY. YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND WORK. DO YOU KNOW? DO SOMETHING. COME BACK AND SEE US. THAT EVENING, AND THEN MAYBE THERE'S A PHASE THREE THAT'S LIKE, WELL, WE CAN'T WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT AVAILABILITY THERE IS, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IT'S A PHASED APPROACH AND HOPEFULLY INCENTIVIZES PEOPLE TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF, OF THE OPPORTUNITY FOR TRAINING. ET CETERA. ET CETERA. AND THEN FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, BETTER SAID MEDICAL STANDPOINT, I'D LIKE TO SEE US REACH OUT TO NCTC BECAUSE THEY HAVE I MEAN, THEY'RE THEY'RE REALLY GREAT SCHOOL FROM A MEDICAL STANDPOINT. I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER HAS ALREADY TALKED TO TWU AS WELL, AND MAYBE THAT'S A BRIDGE, RIGHT, TO SAY SOMEONE'S GOT TO BE THERE. MAYBE THERE'S SHIFTS, MAYBE THERE'S VOLUNTEER THINGS, THERE'S HOURS, THERE'S PARTNERSHIPS WITH DIFFERENT PROFESSORS, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE. I JUST WANT TO MAYBE USE THEM AS A RESOURCE. IN CONJUNCTION WITH TWU AND SEE WHERE WE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN AMAZING MEDICAL PROGRAM. BOTH BOTH SCHOOLS HAVE AN AMAZING MEDICAL PROGRAM, AND THAT GIVES THEM REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE BE GREAT. 
          AND MAYBE IT'S A TRANSITION TO CHIEF HEDGES LOOKING AT POTENTIAL PARAMEDICS. RIGHT. 
          HEY, YOU'VE BEEN HERE. WE'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW YOU. WE SEE YOUR WORK. YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH DENTON, AND MAYBE IT BECOMES A PIPELINE FOR GREAT, EXCEPTIONAL TALENT. THEN. YEAH, YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S THE JUST THE GIST OF WHAT I HAD, BUT I DO WANT TO GIVE WENDY A CHANCE. IF SHE HAS SOMETHING TO. SHE HAD TO LEAVE. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO. YEAH. BRIEFLY. VERY BRIEFLY. BUT COME ON UP. YEAH YEAH YEAH, I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU HAVE THE FLORIDA. ABSOLUTELY. 
          EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T BRING ANY BARBECUE. YEAH. WELL I'M GOING BACK TO DO IT. I'M GOING MANCHESTER BY THE WAY, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THINGS Y'ALL ARE SAYING. 
          IT'S BEEN A LOT HARDER THAN WE THOUGHT US WITH THE CITY AND THE STAFF YEARS AGO PUT TOGETHER THIS AGREEMENT AND THIS PLAN EVERYTHING. AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE IN THE WORDS OF THE WELL, 
          [03:10:01]
I GUESS HE'S NOT GREAT ANYMORE. AFTER SATURDAY'S FIGHT, IN THE WORDS OF MIKE TYSON, EVERYBODY HAS A PLAN UNTIL HE GETS PUNCHED IN THE FACE. AND I GOT TO TELL YOU, WE GOT PUNCHED IN THE FACE THE FIRST SIX MONTHS IN THAT SHELTER. IT WAS IT WAS TOUGH. A LOT OF OUR EMPLOYEES LEFT TO GO TO BETTER JOBS. THEY COULDN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE. IT WAS TOUGH. WE'VE REBOUNDED VERY NICELY AND I CAN SAY WE'RE RUNNING BETTER THAN WE EVER HAVE RIGHT NOW, AND WE HAVE THE BEST MORALE ON OUR STAFF WE'VE EVER HAD. SO BUT WE AGREE THERE ARE ISSUES WE NEED TO ADDRESS. I DON'T WANT THE HUMANITARIAN EFFORTS THAT WE'RE DOING TO BE WASTED AND TO BE OVERLOOKED. WE DO FEED 200 PEOPLE A DAY. WE DO SLEEP 150 PEOPLE A NIGHT, GIVE THEM SHOWERS, CLOTHING, SOME SUPPORT. 
          RIGHT. LAST YEAR OR TO DATE THIS YEAR, WE'VE HAD 2380 DIFFERENT PEOPLE VOLUNTEER AT THE SHELTER, PUTTING IN 56,000 VOLUNTEER HOURS. MOST OF THOSE ARE CITY OF DENTON RESIDENTS. AND SO IT MEANS A LOT TO OUR CITY, TO OUR RESIDENTS, I THINK, AND THAT THEY FEEL A MORAL AND A RELIGIOUS OBLIGATION TO HELP THOSE IN NEED. AND THAT'S WHAT MONSIGNOR KING FOUNDED THIS ON THAT IT'S OUR DUTY TO HELP THOSE IN NEED. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. WE WILL WORK WITH THE CITY ANY WAY WE CAN, AND LET'S FIND A SOLUTION. GOT IT. THANK YOU. AGREE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, WELL, YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED. YES. GREAT. YES. YEAH. THIS IS MULTI-DIMENSIONAL. OBVIOUSLY, LOTS OF FOLLOW UPS. I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS A CAUTION THAT I FEEL. YES, AS COUNCILMEMBER JESTER POINTED OUT, THIS WAS RAISED AS A BY FAR AND AWAY A NUMBER ONE ISSUE. BUT FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE, WE SEE THE SHELTER FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE, THEY SEE HOMELESS PEOPLE, UNHOUSED PEOPLE. AND I WOULD CAUTION US AGAINST TRYING TO SOLVE SHELTER ISSUES IN A WAY THAT RESULTS IN MORE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE WOODS, MORE PEOPLE SLEEPING IN STORE DOORWAYS, THAT I DON'T THINK THE VOTERS WILL THANK US FOR. THAT. OUR APPROACH IS SAFETY, EFFICIENCY AND BEST OUTCOMES. THANKS ALL RIGHT OKAY. SO THAT CONCLUDES THAT ITEM. 
          WE'LL TAKE A BREAK FOR LUNCH. IT IS FIVE 5513. WE'LL COME BACK AT 545. THAT GIVES US 30 MINUTES TO GET IT. COME IN HERE. WE'LL GET STARTED IF WE SETTLE FASTER. BUT YOU AND GOOD EVENING. WELCOME BACK TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. IT IS 544. WE DO 
          [F. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on pending City Council requests for: 
1.)	Allowing funds that roll off from incentives to be placed in the Catalyst Fund.
2.)	Assessing changes that can be made to the building code to increase available renewable energy and to make it easier for residents to charge electric vehicles at their residence.
    [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]
HAVE A QUORUM, SO I'LL CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. WE'LL TAKE UP ITEM F. IT'S OUR LAST WORK SESSION ITEM AND IT'S ID 241557. RECEIVE REPORT, WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON PENDING CITY COUNCIL REQUEST. COUNCIL JESSICA IN ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER. WE HAVE TWO TWO MINUTE PITCHES TO DISCUSS TODAY. THE INTEREST OF BREVITY. WE'LL PITCH THOSE AND THEN IF THEY RECEIVE DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD, THEY'LL GO TO THE AGENDA COMMITTEE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO FIRST IS COUNCILMEMBER JESTER, LET ME GET THIS SET. OKAY. YOU READY? YES. OKAY. HERE WE GO. ON FEBRUARY 2021, THE CITY COUNCIL, NOT THIS ONE, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL HERE AND ADOPTED THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH WAS THE FIRST STRATEGIC PLAN ADOPTED IN THE LAST 17 YEARS. AT THAT TIME, IN JULY 20TH OF 2022, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD RECOMMENDED ESTABLISHING THE CATALYST FUND, WHICH WAS DEEMED CRITICAL TO THE PLAN IMPLEMENTATION. THERE WERE FUNDING OPTIONS WHICH WE CAN GO INTO LATER. IF I HAVE ENOUGH TIME. HOWEVER, ONE OF THE FUNDING OPTIONS WAS INCENTIVE ROLL OFFS. THE ADVANTAGES INCLUDED THERE WAS NO SUDDEN IMPACT TO THE GENERAL FUND. DISADVANTAGES INCLUDED. THERE WAS NO IMMEDIATE REVENUE. IT WILL TAKE TIME TO DEVELOP A SUBSTANTIAL FUND AND THE GENERAL FUND FUND FORECAST DOES SOMETIMES INCLUDE FUNDS BEING CAPTURED AS INCENTIVES EXPIRE. 
          THE OTHER FUNDING OPTIONS FOR THE CATALYST FUND, HOWEVER, INCLUDED ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TA, WASTEWATER AND WATER. RETURN OF INVESTMENT, DEDICATED PERCENTAGE OF UTILITY SYSTEM. THE BOTTOM LINE BEING, I THINK WITH THE TAX INCREASE, WE'VE ALREADY HAD TO MAKE THAT THERE IS NOT AN APPETITE FOR OUR TAXPAYERS RIGHT NOW TO FUND A LARGE PORTION OF THE CATALYST FUND. HOWEVER, I THINK AND FROM OUR LAST RETREAT, EVERYONE AGREED THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WAS IMPORTANT. SOME OF THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF OUR PLAN INCLUDE CORE RESILIENCY, FUTURE FOCUSED INCLUSIVE GROWTH, ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT, AND CULTURAL VITALITY. WE'RE ALSO COMPETING WITH OTHER CITIES. FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE TIME, THE STRATEGIC PLAN CAME OUT, MESQUITE HAD ABOUT 147,000, DENTON ABOUT 148,000 DENTON HAD COLLECTED AT THAT TIME, 27 MILLION AT ONE POINT, WHEREAS MESQUITE HAD 55,941,815. THE TYPE A AND TYPE B ANNUAL COLLECTIONS ARE POSSIBLE HERE 
          [03:15:08]
BECAUSE OF OUR CURRENT MAKEUP AND THE MONEY THAT WE PUT TOWARDS THE DTCA, SO I REQUEST THAT WE AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AS INCENTIVES ROLL OFF, THAT WE PUT THAT AMOUNT INSTEAD OF BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND, INTO THE CATALYST FUND. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AT THE TIME, IN 2022 FOR THE CATALYST FUND AT THIS POINT, THAT'S YOUR TIME. YES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO? I, I STOOD BY THE IDEA THAT, LOOK, IF THEY'RE ALL IF EVERYTHING'S GOING TO GO GET VETTED IN AN ISR, UNLESS IT'S OUTLANDISH, Y'ALL CAN BRING WHATEVER YOU WANT TO THE DAIS AND I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT. SO I LEAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH. 
          YES, I LOOK FORWARD TO LEARNING MORE DETAILS ABOUT IT. I WILL SAY I HAVE SOME WORRIES THAT, YOU KNOW, REDEDICATION OF FUNDS MIGHT BE LEAD TO SOME DRAINING OF PROGRAMMATIC AREAS OF SPECIALTY. AND BY BYPASSING CERTAIN LEVELS OF COUNCIL OVERSIGHT, BUT THAT WILL POTENTIALLY COME OUT IN THE ISR. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THE ISR. THANK YOU FOR THAT VOTE OF CONFIDENCE. COUNCIL MEMBER BECK OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE? YEAH, I'M VERY HAPPY TO READ ABOUT IN ISR. AND HERE'S AN ANGLE THAT I HOPE IS COVERED THAT THE PROJECTS THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY CATALYST FUNDS OR THAT ARE INCENTIVIZED ARE MEANT TO EVENTUALLY HELP TAKE THE BURDEN OFF OF REGULAR TAXPAYERS. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S NOT 100% OR 0%, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M OPEN TO THAT CONVERSATION TO SEE, LIKE, IS THERE AN AMOUNT OF THAT THAT GOES BACK IN AND THEN IS THERE AN AMOUNT THAT ULTIMATELY IS PROVIDING TAX RELIEF TO RESIDENTS? OKAY, ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR THEN? FIVE I SUPPORT THE NOTION. AND TYPICALLY WE GIVE THIS A SMALL MEDIUM OR LARGE HIGH LOW MEDIUM WHATEVER THAT IS. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THAT AS WELL? SURE I WOULD I WOULD SAY LOW. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE OF DISTRICT FIVE I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE PRIORITY SHE ASKED FOR WAS, BUT WHATEVER PRIORITY SHE ASKED FOR, I'M OKAY WITH IT. I SUPPORT THIS PITCH. I MEAN, THE TRUTH IS, WE HAVE SO MUCH MONEY LOCKED UP INTO DCTA THAT ANY TIME WE CAN, WE CAN FIND MONEY, SHAKE THE COUCH CUSHIONS AND LOOK IN THE GLOVE BOX AND IN THE CUP HOLDERS AND FIND SOME MONEY TO SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE DOING THAT. SO WELL DONE. I LOOK FORWARD TO AN ISR IN THIS PROCEEDING. PASS AN ISR TO WHATEVER CORRESPONDING, YOU KNOW, COMMITTEE STAFF RECOMMENDS AS A SORRY. AS A REMINDER, THIS IS FOR AN ORDINANCE. SO THIS IS ONE WHERE IF YOU GET SIX VOTES, IT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE ORDINANCE. AND TO PASS, OKAY, YOU ASKED FOR IT, MR. MAYOR. HE ASKED FOR AN ORDINANCE. I MEAN, HE'S HE'S DOING FORMATS. SO AN ORDINANCE IN IN THE ALTERNATIVE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. I DON'T SEE MAYOR THAT MAYBE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A WORK SESSION. CORRECT FIRST. ALL RIGHT. WE BRING IT BACK FOR A WORK SESSION OR STRAIGHT TO THE VOTE. GO STRAIGHT TO THE VOTE. OH, OKAY. CAN I AMEND MINE? YES. OKAY. I THINK THE PITCH IS A GREAT IDEA IN LIGHT THAT THIS GOES STRAIGHT TO A VOTE. I THINK THIS MIGHT BE MORE GERMANE FOR AN ISR OR A WORK SESSION FIRST, JUST SO THINGS HAVE WORKED OUT. BUT OBVIOUSLY I SUPPORT THE OVERALL CONCEPT, JUST NOT STRAIGHT TO THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, MAYOR. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM. WAIT. YEAH. YOU WELL YOU NEW INFORMATION. 
          WELL, IT'S NOT NEW. HE POINTED IT OUT, BUT I'M ASSUMING IT'S IN THE BACKUP. UNLESS YOU CHANGE THAT. NO, IT'S HERE. MAYOR. I'M JUST KIDDING. YEAH, THAT'D BE A GOOD TRICK, THOUGH. GO. GO RIGHT AHEAD. YEAH. I WAS OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH THE NEW PROCESS. SO I'M JUST UNDERSCORING THAT. THAT. BUT IT BUT I JUST JUST GO STRAIGHT TO YOUR THE SIDEBAR COMMENT IS WHAT GETS ME RIGHT. BECAUSE THE NEW PROCESS IS THAT IT GOES TO ISR IF IT REQUESTED. BUT YOU'RE ALSO THE NEW PROCESS SAYS IF YOU GET ENOUGH VOTES, YOU CAN GO STRAIGHT TO ACTION. SO IT'S ALL CAPTURED IN THE NEW PROCESS. JUST STATE, JUST GO. START WITH I WANT TO CHANGE MY MIND AND SA, OKAY, NO, I'M NOT CHANGING MY MIND. I ACTUALLY SAID I'M HAPPY WITH IT. GOING TO THE ISR. SO I'M JUST UNDERSCORING THAT, THAT POINT, THAT WAS MY I TAKE YOUR POINT, MAYOR. AND FORTUNATELY IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I SAID, WHICH IS ISR. SURE. YOU'RE 
          [03:20:03]
RIGHT. WHO ELSE? MY QUESTION IS, SINCE I'M THE LAST ONE TO SPEAK MY QUESTION IS MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU DO WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED TO GO IS GO TO THE ISR AND WORK AND OR MY VOTE TO SAY YES. IS THAT GOING TO SEND US DIRECTLY TO. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T GET TO ASK QUESTIONS IN THIS PROCESS. OKAY. I'M SORRY. YES. WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY YES? SORRY. YES. IT'S. YES. ISR VOTES FOR THE ORDINANCE. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. SO YOU HAVE FOUR IN FAVOR OF ISR. IS THAT IS THAT THAT WORKS? YES, MAYOR. GREAT. THANK YOU. NUMBER TWO, OUR SECOND PITCH IS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE. THIS ONE IS JUST FOR AN ISR, NOT FOR AN ORDINANCE. OKAY? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU GOOD? YES, SIR. YES, I WOULD LIKE AN ISR. I'LL SAY THAT AT THE OUTSET. AND THEN MY INTENTION IS IF THE ISR LOOKS GOOD, I. I THEN WANT THIS TO GO TO THE CORRESPONDING COMMITTEE. I THINK THIS IDEA IS GERMANE FOR DXY TO REALLY GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS, JUST AS AS YOU ALL DID ON, ON RENTAL REGISTRY REGULATIONS. SO WE'RE ALREADY DOING SO MANY OF THESE THINGS. DENTON IS A IS A VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS CITY. SO AS WE KNOW, THAT NEW HOUSING IS COMING ONLINE. WHY NOT MAKE IT EASIER FOR RESIDENTS TO KEEP MORE GAS IN THEIR TANK AND FOOD ON THEIR TABLE AND SAVE MONEY THROUGH ENERGY CONSERVATION? THAT'S WHAT THIS PITCH IS ABOUT. IT COSTS MORE MONEY TO PUT IN AN EV CHARGING PLUG AFTER THE FACT, THAN IT WOULD BE ON THE FRONT END, AND I'VE LEARNED THAT IT'S NOT MUCH MORE WORK TO MAKE A ROOF EV READY, AND THAT CAN TAKE OFF SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITY FROM HOMEOWNERS WHO WANT TO HAVE SOLAR PANELS ON THEIR ROOFS. SO I WOULD REALLY LOVE FOR DXY TO REALLY GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS. I THINK THERE'S MANY THINGS THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE AN ORDINANCE THAT WE THAT THAT WE LOOK AT. THIS COULD ALSO BE LIKE CARROT AND STICK. WE COULD OFFER INCENTIVES FOR THESE THINGS. SO I REALLY WANT I REALLY WANT A THOROUGH PROCESS. I REALLY WOULD LIKE THE CORRESPONDING COMMITTEES TO BRING SOMETHING BACK TO COUNCIL THAT IS ALL ENCOMPASSING. OF THE MANY OPTIONS THAT WE COULD DO WHEN LOOKING AT NEW HOUSING COMING ONLINE, MAKING IT MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, AS WELL AS HELPING REGULAR WORKING PEOPLE KEEP A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THEIR MONEY, OF THEIR HARD WORK AND MONEY. SO THANKS, MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. LOW PRIORITY. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT TWO? YEAH. THIS WAS JUST SOME ELEMENTS OF THIS. 
          WE'RE ALREADY A COUNCIL PRIORITY FROM THE PREVIOUS RETREAT AS WELL AS A DCR PRIORITY. SO I THINK THIS IS THE LOWEST OF LOWEST HANGING FRUIT. SO I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THIS. AND ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT THREE. YEAH. PERFECT TOPIC FOR DXY. SO YOU KNOW AFTER ISR CURRENT ENVIRONMENT IF WE CAN MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO NOT HAVE TO GO TO THE GAS STATION AT ALL IF THEY BUY IT, YOU KNOW, BUY A USED ELECTRIC CAR. THAT'S THE THING. NOW THERE ARE USED ONES AND NOT HAVE TO GO TO THE GAS STATION AT ALL. I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BUILD THAT INTO OUR CODES. SO I'M VERY INTERESTED IN EXPLORING IT. 
          ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NOTION OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT IN A CHARGING STATION IN THEIR HOUSE AS THEY BUILD THE HOUSE, THEY CERTAINLY HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO DO THAT. 
          OR THEY COULD DO IT RETRO. I JUST I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. 
          OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. I'LL. I'LL SUPPORT A LOW PRIORITY. ANYONE ELSE? YEAH, YEAH. SO I'LL JUST SAY THIS. I'M GOING TO USE MY TIME. WE HAD A TWO MINUTE PITCH AND I DON'T KNOW THE DATE. IT'S JUNE 22ND AND THEN WE HAD A FULL WORK SESSION ON THIS VERY ITEM. TEN 1822 I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEE THIS PITCH, NOT JUST TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. SO NOW YOU HAVE THEY'LL DO THE SAME WORK AGAIN. MATTER OF FACT, I THINK THEY HAVE THE WORK SESSION FROM THAT FROM TEN 1822 ATTACHED. JUST I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVER GO FORWARD GOING BACKWARDS. SO WHY NOT PICK UP ON THE WORK THAT STAFF ALREADY DID AND THEN PUT FORWARD SOMETHING AMENDMENTS OR AT LEAST BECAUSE WE WERE ALL IN THAT CONVERSATION. AND SO I'M JUST I'M JUST I JUST WISH WE WOULD BE MINDFUL OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN 
          [03:25:05]
THE PAST. SO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED? YES, MA'AM. WE'LL COME BACK WITH TWO IDEAS. GREAT. 
          TAKES US TO. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW AT 5:57 P.M, CONVENE IN CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE THE 
          [1. Closed Meeting:]
CLOSED MEETING ITEM SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING ONLY ITEM A ID 242267. 
          DELIBERATIONS REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.087. 
          THE OTHER TWO WERE PLACEHOLDERS THAT ARE NOT REQUIRED. SO OKAY. THE CITY COUNCIL HAS NOW AT 6:33 P.M, RECONVENED FROM THE CLOSED SESSION, AND NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN. THAT TAKES US TO OUR EVENING'S AGENDA. AND LET ME GET THERE. SO FIRST, IT'S THE 
          [4. CONSENT AGENDA]
CONSENT AGENDA. AND I WILL RECOGNIZE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM. DISTRICT FOUR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. EXCEPT FOR ITEM A E. I'D LIKE TO PULL THAT, PLEASE, AND MAKE THAT A MOTION. OKAY, SO THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE EVERYTHING BUT 4AE. IS THERE A SECOND SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. BUT FOR ITEM A, E. SO DISCUSSION IF YOU IF YOU WOULD PLEASE REPRESENTATIVE, IF YOU COULD DISCUSS THE MOTION I'M JUST CONCERNED AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PULL IT UP HERE. I BEG YOUR PARDON. TAKE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. WHAT'S THAT? HOLD ON. MR. PRESIDENT. YEAH, WELL. THANK YO. 
          THANK YOU. I THINK HE'S DONE, MAC. MAX. TONY. DISCUSS THREE. I AM NOT DOING IT. NOT THE ITEM. 
          OKAY. ARE WE ABLE TO FIND IT? YES, SIR. OKAY. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THIS NOW? RATHER THAN IN FRONT OF THE VOTE OR. WELL, HERE'S HERE'S HOW THAT'LL WORK. YOU'VE ASKED SOMEONE TO VOTE A CERTAIN WAY WITH NO REASON, SO I MY CONCERN IS THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT AND THEN WE WON'T GET TO IT I GOT IT. THANK YOU. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE NOTION OF SPENDING THIS MUCH MONEY ON OFFICE FURNITURE. I THINK THAT'S I THINK AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $3 MILLION IS A TON IS A LOT. AND I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND BETTER WHY THAT'S NECESSARY. SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. GOOD. OKAY. WELL, ARE YOU PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THAT? OH, LET'S GET IT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. TOM GREENBURG, DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES AND FLEET. SO THE REASON FOR THE CITYWIDE CONTRACT IS NOT ONLY FOR THE ONGOING REPAIR, SERVICING, MAINTENANCE AND NEW STAFF COMING ON BOARD, BUT WE ALSO UTILIZE THIS CONTRACT FOR NEW VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION FOR ITEMS THAT ARE GOING INSIDE THE BUILDINGS. IF IT DOES NOT GET ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE GC CONTRACT. SO IT LOCKS IN A PRICE SO THAT IT AS AS NEEDED, YOU CAN NOT HAVE TO GO OUT BASED ON OPEN MARKET IF YOU WILL, AND RENEGOTIATE REBID ALL THOSE THINGS. CORRECT. OKAY. GOT IT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I ADDRESS THAT PLEASE. BY ALL MEANS. IS THERE A SPECIFIC PURCHASE, A SPECIFIC PURCHASE FOR A SPECIFIC BUILDING THAT THAT COMES TO MIN? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO WE HAVE THE NEW SERVICE CENTER COMING ON THROUGH THE THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WILL THAT WILL REQUIRE FFA BUILD OUT THE FLEET SERVICES SHOP, WHICH YOU'LL SEE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, ALSO WILL HAVE FFA BUILD OUT FURNITURE, FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT WHEN WE CONDUCT RENOVATIONS WITHOUT THROUGH CITY FACILITIES. IT REQUIRES THE PURCHASING OF NEW FURNITURE. TRADITIONALLY, IF WE'RE NOT REUSING WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE AND FURNITURE WOULD BE A DESKS DESK, CHAIRS, CREDENZAS I PRESUME. FILE CABINETS? YES, SIR. ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT'S USUALLY IT. 
          IT'S JUST THE MAIN OFFICE SUITE OF WHEN YOU SEE STAFF MEMBERS WORKING IN THEIR SPACE, IT DOES INCORPORATE SOME GUEST CHAIRS AND THE LITTLE TABLES THAT WILL SIT NEXT TO IT IN THE WAITING 
          [03:30:04]
AREAS. OKAY. AND IS MOST OF THE IS ANY OF THE FURNITURE THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED USABLE? A SECOND GO ROUND? YES. WHENEVER THERE'S FURNITURE AND WE'RE MOVING IT, WE DO OUR BEST TO SAVE IT. AND IF IT CAN BE REUSED, WE WILL FIRST. IF IT CANNOT BE REUSED, THEN WE'LL LOOK FOR THE CONTRACT OPTIONS. DO YOU EVER LOOK AT THE SECONDARY MARKET USED FURNITURE FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS, THE SECONDARY MARKET IS VERY WEAK WHEN IT COMES TO FURNITURE. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THROUGH WHEN WE AUCTION FURNITURE OFF, WE DON'T GET VERY MUCH FOR IT. 
          AFTER THE FACT. SO THE SECONDARY MARKET ISN'T REALLY THE GREATEST FOR ACQUIRING STAFF'S FURNITURE. 
          OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR, I CAN VOUCH FOR THAT. I'VE BEEN MORE THAN WILLING TO REUSE THE MAYOR'S DESK. JUST JUST IT'S LOOKS THE SAME. YEAH, IT'S HANGING TOUGH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION, BUT FOR THE MOTION BEFORE US IS CONSENT AGENDA. BUT FOR A E WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S VOTE ON IT. OH, REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH. THANKS. I WAS GOING TO JUST EXTEND THE CONVERSATION A LITTLE FURTHER. 
          I'LL TAKE I'LL ASK THE QUESTION SLOW SO YOU HAVE TIME TO GET DOWN TO THE MIC. BUT THIS IS A FIVE YEAR NUMBER. SO IT WORKS OUT TO ABOUT A NOT TO EXCEED ON AVERAGE OF 600,000 A YEAR. DO YOU ANTICIPATE SPENDING 600,000 A YEAR? WE DON'T, BUT WE MUCH RATHER BE IN A POSITION TO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE. IF THERE'S A RENOVATION OR, SAY, LIKE THE MUNICIPAL COURTS WHEN IT FLOODS AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REPLACE THAT FURNITURE IF IT'S DAMAGED, WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN'T HOUSE STAFF IN THEIR SPACES. SO WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROCURE IF NEED BE. YEAH. SO IT'S A IT'S A SORT OF A CEILING AND THEN ABOUT HOW MUCH LIKE BALLPARK IS LIKE A FULL OFFICE SUITE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN ALL THE PIECES YOU'D BUY 1000, 2000. 
          YEAH, WE HAVE ABOUT THREE TIERS. AND YOU HAVE THE, THE MAIN ADMINISTRATIVE SPACE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LIKE ENTRY LEVEL EMPLOYEES. THAT'S ROUGHLY $1,500. THEN YOU'LL DOUBLE THAT AND THEN DOUBLE THAT ON TOP. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $3,000 FOR THE MID GRADE FOR MANAGERS. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU GO TO THE EXECUTIVE SUITES YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 5500. SO YOU'RE IN SOMETHING LIKE FUNDING LIKE 200 WORK SPACES. YOU KNOW A YEAR. YES. OKAY. THANKS. OF COURSE. 
          REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR. I HAVE A SORT OF A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. I MEAN, IF WE SUPPORT BOTH THE BULK CONSENT AND THE ONE ITEM CONSENT, HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE RUNNING THOSE VOTES? JUST AS TWO REGULAR VOTES. YES, YES. SO IF THIS FAILS, WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER MOTION AND WE'LL DO IT ALL AT ONCE. OR IF THIS PASSES, WE'LL TAKE THEM IN TWO, TWO VOTES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH. OKAY. MOTION BEFORE US IS A CONSENT AGENDA. 
          BUT FOR A E, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN, PLEASE. THAT PASSES FOUR THREE TAKES US TO ITEM A E, 
          [AE. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with Wilson Bauhaus Interiors LLC, an authorized dealer, through the Omnia Partners Contract Nos. R191802 Allsteel, R191811 National, R191803 Exemplis, & 2019.001896 Kimball Office, for procurement fulfillment of office furniture for the City of Denton for the Facilities Management Department; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (File 8498 - awarded to Wilson Bauhaus Interiors LLC, in the five (5) year not-to-exceed amount of $3,000,000.00).]
WHICH IS GET THEIR ID. (242) 224-2221. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS. A HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH WILSON BAHAR INTERIORS, LLC, AUTHORIZING THE DEALER THROUGH THE OMNIA PARTNERS CONTRACT. NUMBER R191802, ETC. FOR PROCUREMENT FULFILLMENT OF OFFICE FURNITURE FOR THE CITY OF DENTON FOR THE FACILITIES MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO, I MOVE APPROVAL REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES SIX ONE TAKES US TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. I THINK NO 
          [A. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding a city-initiated Comprehensive Plan Amendment to modify the Thoroughfare Plan and Thoroughfare Map of the 2022 Mobility Plan, including but not limited to modifications to the Mobility Plan to amend the functional classification of Underwood Road from Primary Arterial to Secondary Arterial between  Airport Road and the future southern extension of H Lively Road and to remove a portion of future Amyx Road between C Wolfe Road and the future western extension of  Loop 288. The general area of change is located west of Interstate 35W, south of Airport Road, east of C Wolfe Road, and north of Old John Paine Road in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official mobility plan; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted 5-0 to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Pruett and seconded by Commissioner Thaggard. (MPA24-0002b, Underwood Road and Amyx Road Mobility Plan Amendment, Sahar Esfandyari)]
ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION FOR. RIGHT. NO. LET ME SEE. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. 
          WE'LL DO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE'LL GET THAT KNOCKED OUT. OKA. PUBLIC HEARING ITEM A MP A240002 HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, REGARDING THE CITY INITIATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO MODIFY THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN THOROUGHFARE MAP OF 2022 MOBILITY PLAN, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE MOBILITY PLAN TO AMEND THE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION. OF 
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UNDERWOOD ROAD FOR PRIMARY ARTERIAL TO SECONDARY ARTERIAL. YEP. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS SAHARA ESFANDIARI. I AM A SENIOR TRANSPORTATION PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF DENTON. TONIGHT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE MOBILITY PLAN AMENDMENT FOR UNDERWOOD AND AMEX ROAD. THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT HAS TWO PARTS, ONE FOR UNDERWOOD ROAD AND SECOND IS THE AMEX ROAD. THE REASON THAT WE HAVE THESE ROADS IN ONE AMENDMENT IS THAT THEY ARE BOTH LOCATED IN THE VICINITY OF THE COLE RANCH DEVELOPMENT. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS MAP HERE, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT FIRST UNDERWOOD ROAD. THE UNDERWOOD ROAD, PER THE MOBILITY PLAN 2022, THE FINAL CONFIGURATION WILL BE LOCATED IN THIS PINK CIRCLE AND IT WILL BE GENERALLY LOCATED BETWEEN LOOP. FUTURE EXTENSION OF LOOP TO 88 WEST AND I-35, AND IT WILL START FROM THE NORTH FROM AIRPORT ROAD AND GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH TO THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF H. LIVELY ROAD FOR THE AMEX ROAD. PER THE MOBILITY PLAN 2022, THIS ROAD WILL BE AN EAST WEST ROAD STARTING FROM SEAWOLF AND GOES ALL THE WAY TO FUTURE LOOP TO 88. BUT THE PORTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO TALK MORE ABOUT IT TONIGHT IS INSIDE THE TEAL CIRCLE, AND IT IS IDENTIFIED AS COLOR RED AND GREEN. SO FIRST UNDERWOOD ROAD, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS ABOUT REDUCING THE ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION FROM A PRIMARY ARTERIAL TO A SECONDARY ARTERIAL. THE REASONS BEHIND THIS REQUEST IS FIRST PROVIDING MORE SAFETY. UNDERWOOD ROAD, AS A SECONDARY ARTERIAL, WILL HAVE LOWER SPEED LIMIT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE AROUND 35 TO 40MPH. 
          ALSO, WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE BETTER ACCESS TO THE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE AREA. 
          ANOTHER MAIN, IMPORTANT, MAIN AND IMPORTANT REASON FOR THIS REQUEST. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THESE FUTURE ROAD IS GOING TO BE LOCATED BETWEEN FUTURE EXTENSION OF LOOP TO 88 AND I-35, WHICH ARE BOTH IDENTIFIED AS FREEWAYS, AND THEY HAVE MORE CAPACITY TO NAVIGATE THE NORTH SOUTH TRAFFIC WITH HIGHER SPEED AND MORE CAPACITY. AS I MENTIONED. AS FOR THE AMEX ROAD, IF YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP THERE IS A SOIL CONSERVATION LAKE LOCATED IN A VERY CLOSE DISTANCE OF THIS FUTURE ROAD BY REMOVING THIS PORTION OF THIS ROAD, WE ARE GOING TO PREVENT ANY ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. ALSO, THERE IS A DAM LOCATED HERE. IF YOU CAN FOLLOW MY CURSOR WHICH MAKE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS ROAD ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. MOREOVER, THERE IS TOMKO ROAD, LOCATED TO THE NORTH SIDE OF AMEX ROAD IN PARALLEL OF THIS FUTURE ROAD WHICH IS GOING TO BE IMPROVED BY THE COLE RANCH DEVELOPMENT TO OFFSET THE REMOVAL OF THIS PORTION OF THIS, THIS AMEX ROAD. ALSO, THERE WILL BE MORE INTERNAL ROADS HERE TO TAKING CARE OF THE GENERATED TRAFFIC IN FUTURE IN THIS AREA. OVERALL, BOTH OF THESE PROPOSALS HAVE MET THE APPROVAL CRITERIA AND PER THE CITY OF DENTON REGULATIONS, WE HAVE DONE THE PUBLIC OUTREACH REQUIREMENTS AND WE HAVE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION OF THIS REQUEST. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FIVE ZERO OF THIS PROPOSAL, AND STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS IT COMPLIES WITH THE CRITERIA IN SECTION TWO OF THE DDC. FOR APPROVAL OF A COMPREHENSIVE OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO ANYONE CAN SPEAK IF YOU SO DESIRE. BUT QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          ANY QUESTIONS SEEING NONE. IF I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FILLED OUT AGAIN IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING IF ANYONE CARES TO SPEAK. SEEING NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL TAKE A MOTION REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX COUNCILPERSON JESTER. SO MOVES REPRESENTATIVE 
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FROM DISTRICT FIVE. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? LET ME COME DOWN BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S PRESENTING ON OTHER ITEMS. SO I WILL SLIDE OVER BACK TO THE PODIUM. OKAY. STAMPEDES. I GOT A STAMPEDE. SO WE HAVE. SO WE HAVE A GIFT FOR YOU, FOR YOUR FIRST TIME SPEAKING. SO IT'S AN ELEPHANT. SO YOU KNOW, TO SIGNIFY REMEMBERING US IN YOUR PRESENTATION. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEAH FOR SURE. APPRECIATE IT. YES. AND THEN WE'LL GET A PICTURE HERE OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. ALL RIGHT. GOOD, GOOD. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SO HOW LONG DO YOU EXCUSE ME? SINCE ME? GREAT. YEAH. 
          WELCOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. OKAY. LET'S SEE HOW THIS TURNS OUT. SHE ONLY GETS ONE MORE. WE EVEN HAVE TO. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. TAKES US TO ITEM B, WHICH IS MP A240004. HOLD A 
          [B. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding a city-initiated Comprehensive Plan Amendment to modify the Thoroughfare Plan and Thoroughfare Map of the 2022 Mobility Plan. The amendment includes but is not limited to downgrading the current road classification of a future Hummingbird Lane section from Secondary Arterial to Collector.  The proposal is generally located east of the intersection of Hummingbird Lane and North Loop 288 and extends east toward the intersection of Mills Road and North Mayhill Road in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official mobility plan; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted 5-0 to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Pruett and seconded by Commissioner Padron. (MPA24-0004b, Hummingbird Lane Road Classification, Sahar Esfandyari)]
PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS REGARDING A CITY INITIATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO MODIFY THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THOROUGHFARE MAP ON 2022 MOBILITY PLAN. THE AMENDMENT INCLUDES, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE DOWNGRADING THE CURRENT ROAD CLASSIFICATION OF A FUTURE HUMMINGBIRD LANE SECTION. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS SAHARA YORI. SENIOR TRANSPORTATION PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF DENTON. ANOTHER MOBILITY PLAN AMENDMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH YOU TONIGHT IS HUMMINGBIRD LANE. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE MAP HERE, HUMMINGBIRD LANE, LOCATED BETWEEN LOOP 288 AND MAHI ROAD. THE CURRENT HUMMINGBIRD LANE, LOCATED AT THE WEST SIDE OF LOOP 288 AS A RESIDENTIAL ROAD. HOWEVER, ACCORDING TO THE MOBILITY PLAN 2022, THE FUTURE HUMMINGBIRD LANE WILL BE AN EXTENSION OF LOOP 288 AND GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE EAST TO THE MILLS ROAD. SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS ABOUT REDUCING THE HUMMINGBIRD LANE ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION FROM SECONDARY ARTERIAL TO A COLLECTOR. THE REASONS BEHIND THIS REQUEST IS FIRST, PROVIDING MORE SAFETY AS A COLLECTOR. THE FUTURE HUMMINGBIRD LANE WILL HAVE LOWER SPEED LIMIT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE ABOUT 30 TO 35MPH. ALSO, WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE BETTER ACCESS TO THE UPCOMING DEVELOPMENTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS FUTURE ROAD. ANOTHER MAIN REASON FOR THIS REQUEST IS THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY IN THE PARALLEL ROADS, SUCH AS MCKINNEY. MCKINNEY ROAD IS ALREADY IDENTIFIED AS A SECONDARY ARTERIAL AND HAS ENOUGH CAPACITY TO MOVE THE EAST WEST TRAFFIC WITH HIGHER SPEED VOLUME THAN HUMMINGBIRD LANE. 
          THIS PROPOSAL HAS MET THE APPROVAL CRITERIA. AND PER THE CITY OF DENTON REGULATION, WE HAVE DONE THE PUBLIC OUTREACH AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION OF THIS REQUEST. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FIVE ZERO OF THIS PROPOSAL. STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS PROPOSAL AS IT COMPLIES WITH THE CRITERIA IN SECTION TWO OF THE DDC. FOR APPROVAL OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND THEN DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SEEING NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK CAN COME DOWN AND SPEAK. WE'LL GIVE THAT A MINUTE. 
          SEEING NO MOVEMENT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR ITEM B. 
          REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. MOTION TO APPROVE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. TAKES US TO ITEM C, ID 242182 TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO 
          [C. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton making a finding, pursuant to the requirements of Chapter 26 of the Texas Parks and Wildlife code, that (1) there are no feasible and prudent alternatives to the change in use of approximately 3.739 acres of city park land, located within Denia Park in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas, from a park to a public school for the construction of Denton Independent School District Borman Elementary School and (2) finding that all reasonable and planning has been done to minimize harm to the land as a park; and providing an effective date. (The Parks, Recreation and Beautification Board recommends approval with a vote of 5-0).]
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CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON. MAKING A FINDING PURSUANT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 26 OF THE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE CODE, THAT ONE. THERE ARE NO FEASIBLE AND PRUDENT ALTERNATIVES TO CHANGE IN IN USE OF APPROXIMATELY 3.739 ACRES OF CITY PARK LAND LOCATED WITHIN DEAN PARK IN THE CITY OF DENTON, DENTON COUNTY, AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. ZIAD KHARRAT, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. THIS ITEM IS COMING BACK IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL FOLLOWING DIRECTION FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING AND CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON OCTOBER 22ND TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. WE'RE COMING BACK TO REPORT THAT WE DID MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ON THAT FOLLOWING MONDAY, OCTOBER 28TH. AND WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT THE FINDINGS FROM THAT MEETING AND REPORT BACK THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED. JUST AS A QUICK UPDATE, CHAPTER 26, PURPOSE OF CHAPTER 26 IS JUST TO PROTECT PUBLIC PARK LAND, AND IT OUTLINES MEASURES ON SAFEGUARDING SUCH AREAS. TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE CODE AND THE INFORMATION IS IN THE SLIDES. IF YOU WANT TO REFERENCE IT, YOU CAN READ THE INFORMATION HERE. WE DID REPOST THIS PUBLIC HEARING FOLLOWING THAT ONE IN THE DENTON RECORD-CHRONICLE PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS WILDLIFE CODE WITHIN THE DENTON RECORD-CHRONICLE FROM OCTOBER 20TH 5TH TO NOVEMBER 1ST, AND ON NOVEMBER EIGHTH. SO JUST AS A REMINDER, THE CURRENT LAND OWNERSHIP FOR DINO PARK AND DISD IS OUTLINED IN THIS EXHIBIT. THESE ARE THE PROPOSED CHANGES BY DISD FOR THE LAND SWAP. 
          APPROXIMATELY 3.739 ACRES FOR 4.729 ACRES OF DISD PROPERTY. AS A REMINDER, DINO PARK IS A NEIGHBORHOOD OR A COMMUNITY PARK. 23 ACRES WITH MANY AMENITIES, PARK AMENITIES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR MANY DECADE. MORMON ELEMENTARY SAME HAS BEEN OPEN SINCE 1970, HAS LIVED ITS USEFUL LIFE AND IS READY FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. BASED ON THE DENTON ISD, BOND PROGRAM. THE LAND SWAP TERMS IN THE IN THE. THE REASON IS SO THAT DISD CAN BUILD THEIR NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND UTILIZE NEW PARK LAND AS A WAY, YOU KNOW, TO NOT DISRUPT THE EDUCATION OF THE OF THE STUDENTS. YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THAT TIME PERIOD. ONCE THE NEW BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED, THEY'LL TEAR DOWN THE OLD BUILDING AND CONSTRUCT A SOCCER FIELD IN ITS PLACE. SO THESE SLIDES ARE IDENTICAL TO THE SLIDES THAT WERE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL A MONTH AGO. WHAT I DO WANT TO FOCUS ON THIS IS A THE UPDATED CONCEPT PLAN FROM DISD. I WANT TO DO WANT TO FOCUS ON IS THE BENEFITS TO THE CITY. AND THEN ALSO WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC DURING OUR OUR MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. SO TO HIGHLIGHT THE BENEFITS TO THE CITY THAT THE CITY WILL GET AN ENHANCED AND IMPROVED PARK SPACE, INCLUDING NEW TURF GRADING, IRRIGATION, FENCING, TRAILS AND RELATED AMENITIES. WITH THAT NEW OPEN SPACE, THERE WILL BE IMPROVED VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT, WE ARE ENSURING THAT STUDENTS WILL HAVE ACCESS THROUGH THE PARK, THROUGH TRAIL SYSTEMS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND THEN AS WELL, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEW CONFIGURATION OF THE BUILDING AND THE NEW PLACEMENT ON THE SITE, THERE WILL BE AMPLE QUEUING SPACE WITHIN THE NEW LAND SO THAT CARS WON'T BACK UP ON PARVIN AS THEY DO TODAY. AND SO THERE WILL BE IMPROVED, YOU KNOW, CAR THROUGHPUT THROUGH THE THROUGH THE SITE. AND THEN WITH THE NEW ROAD BEING BUILT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THAT'LL THAT'LL ESSENTIALLY ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE PRESSURE FROM ABOUT 30% OR SO OF THE VEHICLES COMING IN FROM THE NORTH. THEY'LL BE ABLE TO COME IN FROM THE SOUTH IN THE NEW CONFIGURATION, THE CITY WILL RETAIN THE EXISTING PARKING LOT THAT CURRENTLY SERVES BORMAN ELEMENTARY. THAT IS A PARKING LOT THAT IS USED AS OVERFLOW PARKING TODAY, SO THAT WILL BE RETAINED ON FUTURE PARK PROPERTY. THERE WILL BE A NEW DETENTION POND AS PART OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL HELP TO SERVE BOTH THE CITY AND DISD PARCELS AND HELP IMPROVE A LOT OF THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT THE PARK IS SEEING TODAY. AND SO IT 
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WILL ALSO FURTHER OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH DISD. SO SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HEARD THROUGH THAT PUBLIC MEETING ON OCTOBER 28TH WAS THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT CAME OUT THROUGH THAT MEETING. A LOT OF A LOT OF FOLKS WERE ASKING ABOUT THE PARKLAND. AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS GOING TO END UP AS A NET TO THE CITY, YOU KNOW, VERSUS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO WE DID EXPLAIN THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A NET INCREASE BY ONE ACRE AS PART OF THIS TRANSACTION. THERE WILL BE IMPROVED STORM DRAINAGE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SITE GRADING AND THE INCLUSION OF A DETENTION POND ON SITE, THE MULTI-PURPOSE FIELD, THERE WERE SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACCESS TO THE SOCCER FIELD OR OPEN SPACE FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND SO WE ENSURED THAT IN THAT DISCUSSION, WE ASSURED THE PUBLIC THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS FIELD WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND ANY NORMAL YOU KNOW, TIME OF THE DAY. IT WILL BE AVAILABLE AS A RESERVATION FIELD OR, OR A RENTAL FIELD. SO DURING THOSE TIMES, IT WILL BE JUST UTILIZED BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RENTING THAT FIELD, BUT OTHERWISE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. IT WON'T BE HEAVILY PROGRAMED WITH LEAGUES. IT'S MAINLY JUST AVAILABLE FOR RENTAL. THE NEW FIELLIGHTING AS PART OF THIS CURRENT IMPROVEMENT, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS GOING TO BE LIGHTING AS PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, THE IMPROVED VEHICULAR CIRCULATION, THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONGESTION ON PARVIN CURRENTLY WITH THE WITH THE WITH THE LAYOUT AND EXPLAINING TO THEM ABOUT THE RECONFIGURATION OF THE BUILDING, HOW IT WILL BENEFIT TRAFFIC CONGESTION THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING ALONG PARVIN. AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL REITERATE WITH THE ADDITION OF THE NEW ROAD TO THE SOUTH, MAINLY DISD STAFF WILL BE ABLE AND BUS DROP OFF WILL BE ABLE TO COME IN FROM THE SOUTH, ALLEVIATING ABOUT 30% OF THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION FROM THE NORTH. CURRENTLY, AGAIN, THERE'S EXPANDED PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY THROUGH TRAIL SYSTEMS, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE PARK IN CONJUNCTION WITH CITY PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY. AND THEN REUSE OF THE BORMAN PARKING LOT TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE BETTER, EASIER ACCESS TO THE TO THE FIELD FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE RENTING IT. CURRENTLY, THEY MAY BE PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT SOUTH OF THE BASEBALL FIELDS, OR IN THAT PARKING LOT NEXT TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND WALKING TO THAT SOCCER FIELD AND SO NOW THEY'LL HAVE EASY ACCESS WITH THAT PARKING LOT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THAT, TO THAT FIELD. SO IT'S JUST A MORE CONVENIENT, MORE SAFER SITUATION FOR, FOR FOLKS. WE ARE ADDING TREES AS PART OF THE DISD PROJECT OR THEY'RE ADDING TREES AS PART OF THEIR PROJECT BECAUSE THEY HAVE MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS. SO THEY WILL BE PLANTING TREES ON THEIR PROPERTY AS WELL AS USING THE PARK PROPERTY TO HELP HELP PLANT ADDITIONAL TREES. AS PART OF THAT PROJECT. AND SO LET'S SEE. OH, THE OTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE WAS THAT CURRENTLY THE PARKING LOT TO THE SOUTH OF THE BASEBALL FIELDS IS ACCESSED ON BERNARD OR SORRY, THE OTHER STREET THAT'S OVER THERE. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT NOW. IT'S A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION WHERE BERNARD COMES IN AND INTERSECTS WITH THE PARKING LOT EXIT. AND SO WITH THE NEW ROAD BEING BUILT ALONG GRAVEL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DEVELOP A SEPARATE ACCESS POINT TO THAT PARKING LOT AND ELIMINATE THAT THAT DRIVEWAY TO THE EAST. SO THAT WILL ALLEVIATE, YOU KNOW, SOME SAFETY ISSUES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SEEING ON THAT ROADWAY AND MAKE IT A BETTER ACCESS INTO THAT PARKING LOT. AND WITH THAT, THAT WAS THE BULK OF THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK IN GENERAL, WHEN WE LEFT, THEY WERE IN SUPPORT AS A CONSENSUS. THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE, OF THE PROJECT. BUT I'LL LEAVE IT WITH THAT AND BE HERE FOR ANY ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO PEOPLE CAN SPEAK IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO JUST NEED TO FILL OUT A CARD AFTERWARDS. YOU MENTIONED YOU MENTIONED LIGHTING. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BUY CURTAINS TO BLOCK OUT THE LIGHT. NEVER MIND. THAT'S A THAT'S A DIFFERENT JOKE. ANY ANY QUESTIONS. IT'S A COWBOY'S JOKE. 
          THE SUNLIGHT LIGHT I'LL EXPLAIN LATER. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING NONE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. THANK YOU. AND I AND I SINCERELY APPRECIATE THE STAFF TAKING TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH THE WITH THE COMMUNITY. I KNOW THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. 
          AND BEFORE I MAKE MY MOTION, I'M WONDERING IF AS AS GREAT A HERO AS FRANK BORMAN WAS, I WONDER IF THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO HONOR A LOCAL HERO WITH THE NAMESAKE OF THIS PUBLIC SCHOOL. 
          THAT'S FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO DISCUSS. BUT I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS. OKAY. 
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REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR RESPONDING TO OUR DESIRE TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT IS IN AND OF ITSELF, A WORTHWHILE THING TO DO. AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME THAT THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING THAT ISSUE HERE, THAT IF YOU HAVE A PERSUASIVE CASE TO MAKE, MAKE THE CASE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND YOU DID, AND THEY WERE PERSUADED. SO I'M GOING TO SECOND THE MOTION. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. YEAH, I'LL JUST I'LL JUST BRIEFLY PILE ON ON THAT. I REALLY APPRECIATE STAFF AND THE ISD STAFF TAKING THE TIME TO DO THE EXTRA ENGAGEMENT. 
          IT'S MEANINGFUL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY FELT HEARD AND I CONSIDERING THAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD USES THE PARK AND USES THE SCHOOL, I THINK IT WAS TIME. WELL SPENT. THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM D ID 242015. HOLD A 
          [D. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an Ordinance of the City of Denton making a finding, pursuant to the requirements of Chapter 26 of the Texas Parks and Wildlife Code, that (1) there are no feasible and prudent alternatives to the change in use of approximately 1.054 acres of City Park land for a sanitary sewer easement, located within a portion of Sagebrook Park in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas, for the purpose of installing and maintaining an underground sanitary sewer line for the Dentex Development, and (2) finding that all reasonable planning has been done to minimize harm to the land as a park and providing an effective date. (Parks, Recreation and Beautification Board recommended approval with a vote of 5-0.)]
PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON MAKING A FINDING PURSUANT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 26 OF THE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE CODE, THAT THERE ARE NO FEASIBLE AND PRUDENT ALTERNATIVES TO THE CHANGE IN USE OF APPROXIMATELY 1.054 ACRES OF CITY PARK LAND. AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, ZIAD KHARRAT, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. THIS IS ANOTHER CHAPTER 22. CHAPTER SORRY, 26 REQUEST FROM THE DENTEX DEVELOPMENT. YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH CHAPTER 26. I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT THE. THE PURPOSE HERE IS TO PROTECT PUBLIC PARKS AND RECREATION LANDS, ENSURING THE PRESERVATION FOR RECREATION, ECOLOGICAL ESTHETIC PURPOSES. THIS IS A TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE CODE THAT REQUIRES THAT THERE ARE NO FEASIBLE AND PRUDENT ALTERNATIVES TO THE USE OR TAKING OF SUCH LAND, AND THAT THE PROGRAM OR PROJECT INCLUDES ALL REASONABLE PLANNING TO MINIMIZE HARM TO THE LAND. AS A PARK RESULTING FROM THE USE OR TAKING. THIS ITEM WAS POSTED THROUGH THE DENTON RECORD-CHRONICLE PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS CODE ON OCTOBER 22ND, OCTOBER 29TH, AND NOVEMBER 5TH. ALTHOUGH A REQUIREMENT, IT WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE PROCESS. A PUBLIC MEETING WAS HELD ON NOVEMBER 14TH TO GET ANY SOME, ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WAS WANTING TO PROVIDE IT. THIS EXHIBIT SHOWS THE PROPOSED REQUEST AND HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. SO SAGE BROOK PARK AND THEN FORGIVE ME, I SHOULD HAVE HIGHLIGHTED THE PARK BOUNDARY IS THIS PARCEL RIGHT HERE WHERE MY CURSOR IS AND THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED LINE IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT PARCEL. AND SO DENTEX DEVELOPMENT IS THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST OF THE PARK. AND THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED THE NEED TO GO INSTALL A GRAVITY FLOW SANITARY SEWER MAIN THROUGH THE PARK IN ORDER TO CONNECT TO A MAIN LINE ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 377. EXCUSE ME. SO ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ARE FEES, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FOR THE EASEMENTS. AND THOSE ARE OUTLINED IN THIS TABLE HERE. THE WITH WITH THAT CONSTRUCTION THERE'LL BE A PERMANENT EASEMENT AND A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT. PERMANENT PERMANENT EASEMENT WILL BE 20FT IN PERPETUITY. AND THEN THE 25 FOOT EASEMENT ALLOWS THEM TO CONSTRUCT IT SO THAT THAT LINE CAN COME IN. HERE'S AN EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS THAT PARCEL HIGHLIGHTED. ESSENTIALLY, IT'S AN UNDEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOOD PARK THAT WAS DEDICATED FROM THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ITS NORTH. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME GREEN SLIVER THROUGH THIS ROADWAY THROUGH THE NORTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS SOUTHWEST PARK, JUST NORTH OF THAT, ALONG ALLRED. SO THE GOAL IS TO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT WAS TO CONNECT SAGE BROOK PARK WITH WITH WITH SOUTHWEST PARK AND AS PART OF THE DENTEX DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW WE CAN INCLUDE ADDITIONAL TRAIL INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THEIR DEVELOPMENT TO CONNECT, YOU KNOW, THEIR RESIDENTS TO SAGE BROOK PARK AND ULTIMATELY SOUTHWEST PARK. SO SAGE BROOK PARK IS CURRENTLY A 15 ACRE UNDEVELOPED LAND. THE FUTURE PLANS REALLY INCLUDE TRAIL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT PARK. MAJORITY OF IT IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN, SO THERE'S VERY LITTLE THAT CAN BE DONE OTHER THAN THE TRAIL. AND HERE ARE 
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AGAIN THE TERMS OF THE CHAPTER 26. AND SO ONE OF THE WAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CONSULTANT OR THE DEVELOPER WAS ABLE TO PROVE OUT NO FEASIBLE AND PRUDENT ALTERNATIVES EXISTED, WAS THEY THEY DISCUSSED THIS PROJECT AND PURSUED EASEMENTS THROUGH ADJACENT PRIVATE PROPERTIES, WHICH WERE TO NO AVAIL. AND THEN ALSO IN OTHER WAYS, TRIED TO EXPLORE FORCE MAINS TO BASICALLY INSTALL LIFT STATIONS. TO EXPORT THE, THE, THE SANITARY SEWER MATERIAL. AND SO THAT IS NOT A FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVE IN TERMS OF THE CITY'S LONG TERM MAINTENANCE PLANS FOR LIFT STATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND SO THE PARK ALLOWED FOR A SITUATION WHERE IT BENEFITED THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER IN A WAY THAT ALLOWED A GRAVITY LINE TO BE INSTALLED, TO SERVE, THAT SERVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND SERVE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS IN THAT ARE. IN THIS PROCESS, WE DID PRESENT THIS ITEM TO THE PARK BOARD AND THEY APPROVED IT AND SUPPORTED IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I COMMUNICATE TO YOU THAT THAT ALIGNMENT THAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE PARK BOARD IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS SHOWN IN THIS DIAGRAM. HERE. INITIALLY, IT WAS A DIFFERENT ALIGNMENT THAT CONTEMPLATED REMOVAL OF SOME TREES. AND SO IN THAT PROCESS OF PRESENTING TO THE PARK BOARD, THEY EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT REMOVAL OF TREES. AND WE WORKED AFTER THAT TO PURSUE AN ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT THAT DID NOT DO THAT AND SERVED OTHER PURPOSES AS WELL. AND SO IN THIS ALIGNMENT, NO TREES WILL BE REMOVED AS PART OF THAT WORK. HERE IS AN EXHIBIT OF THE LEGAL EASEMENT SURVEY. AND WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGAIN THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. I DO HAVE ONE CARD, BUT REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. I'M REALLY GRATEFUL TO THE STAFF AND THE BOARD FOR MAKING SURE THAT THOSE THOSE ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENTS WERE EXPLORED. I GUESS THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION, BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU, IF THIS THIS ITEM DOES PAS, YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT THAT HEAVY EQUIPMENT ON ROOT BEDS, EVEN IF YOU DON'T PULL OUT ANY TREES, IT'S GOING TO RESULT IN A LOSS OF TREES. YOU PARTICULARLY KNOW THAT BETTER THAN MOST. SO I HOPE WE KEEP A WEATHER EYE ON ON THAT DEVELOPMENT AS WE GO FORWARD IF THIS ITEM PASSES. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING NONE. THE ONE CARD WE HAVE IS CHARLES LEE. IF YOU CAN COME AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND THEN. 616DK MAYBE IT'S. OH, HERE WE GO. 
          THOMAS. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'M AHEAD OF MYSELF, CHARLES. YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE SIX. THIS IS FIVE. 
          GO RIGHT AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THOMAS FLETCHER WITH KIMLEY-HORN. I AM THE ENGINEER FOR THE APPLICANT FOR THE LANDOWNERS. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE RECENTLY COME THROUGH WITH THE ANNEXATION. THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, THE ZONING, AND THEN THE RECENTLY THE ALTERNATE ESA. THIS IS KIND OF THE LAST STEP IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC SEWER SYSTEM. WE HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF ON THIS, AND I JUST WANTED TO BE HERE IN CASE THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. SO WITH THAT, I IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. YOU CAN SPEAK IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO. 
          SEEING NONE I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL TAKE A MOTION. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER. SO MOVES REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. SECOND. THE MOTION. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THAT TAKES US TO OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS 
          [E. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas regarding a change in the zoning district and use classification from Rural Residential (RR) District to Public Facilities (PF) District on approximately 40.00 acres of land generally located 3,075 feet south of Jim Christal Road and approximately 850 feet west of Tom Cole Road, in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the city’s official zoning map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted (5-0) to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Villareal and second by Commissioner Pruett. (Z24-0014a, Denton Energy Center, Matt Bodine)]
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Z240014A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, REGARDING THE CHANGE IN ZONING, DISTRICT AND USE CLASSIFICATION FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO PUBLIC FACILITIES DISTRICT ON APPROXIMATELY 40 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED 3075FT SOUTH OF JIM CRYSTAL ROAD. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL. MATT BODINE, ASSISTANT PLANNER HERE TO PRESENT THIS REZONING CASE. SO THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 40 ACRES OF CITY OWNED PROPERTY LOCATED IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE DENTON ENERGY CENTER AND WEST OF THE DENTON AIRPORT. FROM ITS CURRENT ZONING OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO PUBLIC FACILITY ZONING DISTRICT AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS SO THAT WE CAN DEVELOP A SOLID WASTE TRANSFER STATION AS WELL AS FACILITATE A DATA CENTER EXPANSION THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS ON THE DENTON ENERGY CENTER'S PROPERTY. SO THIS REQUEST WAS ASSESSED ACCORDING TO THE GENERAL APPROVAL CRITERIA. AS WELL AS THE REZONING CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL FOUND IN THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND WAS DETERMINED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE CRITERIA. THE REQUESTED ZONING DISTRICT, PUBLIC FACILITIES IS INTENDED FOR LANDS MEANT FOR PUBLIC AND COMMUNITY USES, SUCH AS UTILITIES, WHICH IS BEING PROPOSED HERE. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS INDUSTRIAL COMMERCE, WHICH IS MEANT FOR PRIMARILY LIGHT AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES. THE NATURE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH SUCH LIGHT AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES, AND THUS CONSIDERED COMPATIBLE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THIS REZONING CASE ALSO ADVANCES THE GOALS OF THE DENTON 2040 PLAN. THE GOAL TO GROW RESOURCEFULLY THROUGH CONTIGUOUS AND COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITIES. 
          GOAL TO BE COST EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT IN THE TRANSPORT AND PROCESSING OF MATERIAL. THIS CASE WAS NOTIFIED ACCORDING TO PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY OF DENTON, AND NO RESPONSES WERE RECEIVED. THE PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. FIVE ZERO STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AS IT COMPLIES WITH THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK, THEY CAN. BUT IN THE MEANTIME IS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING NO QUESTIONS. IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT SEEING NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN REPRESENT RECOGNIZE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX COUNCILPERSON, JESTER MOVES AS A MOVE TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED. AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. IT LOOKS LIKE ALL THE DUE DILIGENCE WAS DONE SO IT MAKES IT EASY FOR US. THANK YOU. 
          REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NONE MATT I'LL COME DOWN TO. OH NO I GOT. ABANDON. THIS IS A MOVIE THAT TALKS ABOUT COORDINATING. IT'S. AND SO I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR TIE. YEAH. IT'S PERFECT. LOOK AT THAT. THAT'S GREAT. I HOPE YOU DON'T GET IT. MAY GET LOST. YOU'LL BE ALWAYS BLEND IN. IT'S A PRETTY GOOD TIE. HERE WE GO. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. YES. OKAY. THANKS. THANK YOU AGAIN. SO HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN HERE? ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. EXCELLENT. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT'S GREAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK. YOU. SO, YOU KNOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU. TAKES US TO OUR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION CONSIDERATION SECTION OF THE AGENDA. FIRST UP IS ITEM A WHICH 
          [A. Conduct the second of two readings of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas annexing approximately 0.039 acres of land, generally located west of Teasley Lane and approximately 170 feet north of Leatherwood Lane to the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; providing for a correction to the City map to include the annexed land; and providing for a savings clause and an effective date. (A24-0003c, 5702 Teasley Lane, Mia Hines)]
IS A240003C. CONDUCT A SECOND OF TWO READINGS OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY 0.039 ACRES OF LAND GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE WEST ON THE WEST OF TEASLEY LANE AND APPROXIMATELY 170FT NORTH OF LEATHERWOOD LANE TO THE CITY OF DENTON. DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL MIA HINES, SENIOR PLANNER. AS 
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STATED IN THE CAPTION, THIS IS THE SECOND OF TWO READINGS OF AN ORDINANCE TO ANNEX APPROXIMATELY 0.039 ACRES OF LAND INTO THE CITY OF DENTON. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED JUST WEST OF TEASLEY LANE, APPROXIMATELY 170FT NORTH OF LEATHERWOOD LANE. A LITTLE BACKGROUND THE APPLICANT HERE ARE JEFFREY AND ERIN HUEBNER. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. THE. THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS IS DEVELOPED WITH THOSE ITEMS. THE APPLICANT DOES ENVISION A COMMERCIAL USE FOR THIS LOT, BUT THEY HAVE NOT SUBMITTED ANY PLANS FOR REDEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME AND AGAIN, IT IS ADJACENT TO TEASLEY LANE, WHICH IS A TEX DOT FACILITY. SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE SECOND READING. YOU HAVE SEEN THIS ITEM BEFORE. WE'VE DONE A MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT, HAD HELD A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL AS THE FIRST READING ON OCTOBER 15TH. WE DID FOLLOW THAT UP WITH THE PUBLICATION OF THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE ON OCTOBER 20TH, AND THEN TODAY OF COURSE, IS THE SECOND READING. SO THAT BEING SAID, I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THE CAPTION. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY 0.039 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED WEST OF TEASLEY LANE AND APPROXIMATELY 170FT NORTH OF LEATHERWOOD LANE TO THE CITY OF DENTON, DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS, PROVIDING FOR A CORRECTION TO THE CITY MAP TO INCLUDE THE ANNEXED LAND AND PROVIDING FOR A SAVINGS CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS ANNEXATION AT THIS TIME, AND WITH THAT I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU HAVE. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR I'LL TAKE A MOTION. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO MOVE APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX SECOND OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. 
          [B. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton approving an economic development agreement under chapter 380 of the Local Government Code to promote economic development and to stimulate business activity and economic growth of the City of Denton, between the City of Denton and Bloomfield Homes, L.P. regarding the expansion of operations and increase in tax revenue in the City of Denton; authorizing the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date.]
AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM B WHICH IS ID 242260. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON APPROVING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT UNDER CHAPTER 384 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND STIMULATE BUSINESS ACTIVITY AND ECONOMIC GROWTH OF THE CITY OF DENTON. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL HERE TO SHOW YOU AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE APPLICATION FOR BLOOMFIELD HOME. 
          SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. THEY ARE A MARKET LEADING HOME BUILDER FOCUSED PRIMARILY IN THE DFW METRO AREA. THEY'RE HEADQUARTERED DOWN IN SOUTHLAKE AND FOUNDED IN 2004. 
          AND CURRENTLY THEY'RE CONSTRUCTING 248 NEW HOMES HERE IN THE CITY OF DENTON AT COUNTRY LAKES, WHICH IS 160 LOTS, AND DOWN AT GLENWOOD MEADOWS, WHICH IS 88 LOTS DOWN ON THE SOUTH SOUTHWEST SIDE. SO CURRENTLY THEY PAY LOCAL SALES TAXES FOR THEIR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, WHERE THOSE SUPPLIERS HAVE A PLACE OF BUSINESS. SO WHEN THEY'RE BUYING LUMBER, STONE OR APPLIANCES, THEY'RE PAYING FOR THOSE TAXES WHERE ALL OF THAT IS STORED. ALTERNATIVELY, THEY CAN ISSUE THOSE SUPPLIERS A TEXAS DIRECT PAYMENT PERMIT, WHICH ALLOWS A HOME BUILDER TO PAY TAXES ON MATERIALS BASED ON THE LOCAL TAX RATES AT THE JOB SITES. IN THIS CASE, THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY OF DENTON. SO BLOOMFIELD HOMES IS PROPOSING THAT THE CITY ENTERS A TEN YEAR CHAPTER 380 AGREEMENT WHERE THEY WILL USE THEIR TEXAS DIRECT PAY PERMIT AND THE COMPANY WILL RECEIVE A 33% REBATE ON OUR END. AND WE WILL RETAIN 67% OF THAT NEW REVENUE, WHICH OTHERWISE WOULD GO TO OTHER CITIES. SO A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND ON THOSE PAYMENT PERMITS. IT ALLOWS A QUALIFIED PURCHASER TO PAY THOSE TAXES DIRECTLY TO THE CONTROLLER, RATHER TO THE SELLER. AND TO QUALIFY, A COMPANY MUST HAVE AN EXPECTED TAXABLE PURCHASES OF AT LEAST $800,000 ANNUALLY, AND THOSE ITEMS HAVE TO BE USED FOR THE PURCHASER'S OWN USE AND NOT FOR DIRECT RESALE. SO IN THIS CASE, A HOME BUILDER HAS TO USE THOSE MATERIALS TO BUILD A HOME AS OPPOSED TO SELLING THAT LUMBER TO SOMEBODY ELSE. BLOOMFIELD HOMES HAS NOT USED THIS AS A NEW IDEA. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING FOR A WHILE. 
          DIVERTING SALES TAX FUNDS FROM THESE MATERIAL PURCHASES TO 21 DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES LIKE ANNA, SALINA, JUSTIN, A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORS WHO ARE CURRENTLY BENEFITING FROM THE SAME AGREEMENT. AND HERE'S HOW THAT BREAKS DOWN. IT'S ESTIMATED THAT ABOUT $75,000 IS THE AVERAGE COST OF MATERIALS FOR BLOOMFIELD. FOR A HOUSE, IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY THE LOCAL SALES TAX RATE, THAT'S ABOUT $1.1 THOUSAND IN LOCAL SALES TAX FROM PURCHASING THOSE MATERIALS UNDER 
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THIS AGREEMENT, WHERE THEY USE THAT PAYMENT PERMIT, 33% OF THAT WOULD GO DIRECTLY TO BLOOMFIELD, WHICH IS $375 PER HOUSE. AND $750 PER HOUSE WOULD COME TO THE CITY OF DENTON, WHICH AGAIN, OTHERWISE WOULD NOT FALL WITHIN OUR PURVIEW. SO IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY THE 248 LOTS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED CURRENTLY, THAT IS ABOUT $186,000 IN NEW TAX REVENUE THAT OTHERWISE WOULD GO TO CITIES WHERE THOSE MATERIALS ARE CURRENTLY AT WAREHOUSES AND BEING PURCHASED. THAT ALSO ASSUMES A 0% GROWTH RATE FOR THOSE MATERIALS. IF YOU LOOK AT IT, A 5% GROWTH RATE OR AN 8% GROWTH RATE, OBVIOUSLY, THAT $186,000 GROWS EXPONENTIALLY. THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR THIS, OBVIOUSLY, IT EXPANDS THE TAX BASE DIRECTLY. THAT'S $186,000 THAT OTHERWISE WOULD BE FALLING UNDER A DIFFERENT JURISDICTION. IT ALSO HELPS CREATE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH BLOOMFIELD FOR THE ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF JOBS THAT CONSTRUCTION JOBS THAT EACH HOME CREATES, THEY ESTIMATE IT'S ABOUT 992 CONSTRUCTION JOBS. BLOOMFIELD IS ALSO A SUSTAINABLE COMPANY. THEY USE HIGH EFFICIENCY HVAC, LIGHTING AND APPLIANCES, AND THEIR CHARITABLE COMPANY AND A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND REGIONS THAT THEY OPERATE IN. THEY SUPPORT FOOD PANTRIES AND LIBRARY READING PROGRAMS. SO PREVIOUSLY, ON NOVEMBER 13TH, JUST LAST WEEK, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THIS, WITH EIGHT PEOPLE VOTING I AND ONE ABSTENTION. AND THE INCENTIVE RECOMMENDATION ITSELF IS A SALES TAX. TAX REBATE AS DESCRIBED ON THOSE MATERIALS AT 33% FOR TEN YEARS. SO THE OPTIONS ARE TO GO FOR IT OR TO NOT GO FOR IT. THAT IS THE QUICK SOMEBODY EDIT THE BUTTONS ON HERE WHEN WE VOTE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING NONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. I THINK THIS IS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY. IT'S FRANKLY ONE THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH, BUT IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. AND IT'S GREAT TO BE IN DENTON. SO I MOVE THE APPROVAL OF 2260. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. YEAH, I APPRECIATE COUNCILOR HOLLAND'S COMMENTS ON THAT. I I'M GOING TO MOVE A LITTLE AND SAY IT'S ODD AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE WE SHOULD BE DOING IT, BUT IT DOES BENEFIT THE CITY. SO I'M GOING TO SECOND THAT REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF MY COMMENTS WERE MEANT TO BE AN ABSTENTION OR A NO. I WAS THE DISSENTING VOICE. I THINK THIS SETS US UP FOR BASICALLY REPRISALS. I THINK IT SETS UP A, YOU KNOW, AN EVENTUAL SORT OF TRADE WAR ON ON SALES TAX RATES, WHICH ARE A BIG PART OF OUR FUNDING. SO IF THIS ULTIMATELY LEADS TO LOWER TAX RATES, WE CAN BOGART OTHER CITIES TAXES JUST LIKE THEY'LL TRY TO DO FOR US. THEN THAT EVENTUALLY PUTS MORE BURDEN ON PROPERTY TAX. AND I THINK PEOPLE HAVE HAD IT WITH PROPERTY TAX INCREASES. SO I THINK IT'S BAD BUSINESS. I'M GOING TO BE A NO. 
          JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHY. OKAY. ANY OTHER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. COMMENTS FOR STAFF I'LL COME DOWN HERE. STEPS. ALL RIGHT. FIRST PRESENTATION HERE I KNOW YOU'VE YOU'VE PRESENTED OUT IN THE IN THE WORK SESSION BUT YOU'VE GRADUATED. SO HERE YOU GO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SURE. 
          APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. BEEN A GREAT PART OF THE TEAM. ALL RIGHT. HERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. 
          HOLD ON DUSTIN WE NEED AN OFFICIAL ONE HERE. I JUST FEEL LIKE HE'S GOT IT. HERE WE GO. 
          HERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. OKAY. AND I WILL SAY, I KNOW THE I KNOW OF THIS PROCESS JUST FROM TALKING TO OTHERS, BUT. AND I'LL SAY THIS IF I BELIEVE IF THE, IF THE ISSUE WERE TO MANIFEST, IT WOULD HAVE BY NOW BECAUSE FRISCO AND CITIES IN THAT REGION HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS. SO I DON'T THINK I'M MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT IT BENEFITS US LOW RISK. THEY DO THE MANAGEMENT AND IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS. IT'S JUST THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT HERE TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR OUR CITY, I BELIEVE. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I LAND. SO LET'S LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES 6 TO 1 TAKES US TO ITEM C WHICH IS ID 241861. CONSIDER 
          [C. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with HM & MF, Ltd., dba Muckleroy & Falls, for construction services of the Denton Solid Waste Fleet Shop project for the Capital Projects and Fleet Services Departments; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (CSP 8570 - awarded to HM & MF, Ltd., dba Muckleroy & Falls, in the not-to-exceed amount of $9,557,446.50). The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (4 - 0).]
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ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, A HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH H M AND M F LIMITED DBA MUCKELROY AND FALLS FOR CONSTRUCTION SERVICES OF DENTON SOLID WASTE FLEET SHOP PROJECT. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS GIOVANNI PINEDA. PROJECT MANAGER, CAPITAL PROJECTS. I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE DENTON SOLID WASTE FLEET SHOP. A QUICK PROJECT OVERVIEW. THIS IS A NEW FACILITY TO PROVIDE MAINTENANCE TO THE SOLID WASTE FLEET RIGHT ON SITE ON THE LANDFILL. THIS NEW BUILDING WILL ENHANCE THE CITY FLEET REPAIR FACILITIES. PROJECT SCHEDULE WITH YOUR APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT, TODAY WE WILL ISSUE THE NP RIGHT AFTER AND WE PLAN TO START CONSTRUCTION NEXT MONTH. AND THIS IS A 12 MONTH PROJECT THROUGH COMPLETION. OUR RECOMMENDATION STAFF RECOMMEND THE CONTRACT FOR THIS PROJECT NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF 9.5 MILLION, AND THIS AMOUNT INCLUDE THE 5% CONTINGENCY TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR, DO YOU IS A SOLID WASTE? HOW DO I PHRASE DO THEY HAVE THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF MAINTENANCE TO VEHICLES OF ANY DEPARTMENT. DO YOU KNOW. NO. BUT WE HAVE HERE THE DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES. 
          HE MAY HAVE THE ANSWER FOR THAT. THANK YOU SIR. TOM GREENWOOD, DIRECTOR OF FLEET FACILITIES. SO SOLID WASTE DOES HAVE THE MAJORITY OF FLEET ASSETS THAT THE CITY OWNS. AND THEY ARE CENTRALIZED AT THE LANDFILL WHERE WE CURRENTLY DO ALL THEIR VEHICLE MAINTENANCE. AND MY QUESTION WAS, DO THEY HAVE THE MOST VEHICLE MAINTENANCE THAT MOST OF US, MOST VEHICLES, I WOULD ASSUME THEY HAVE THE MOST MAINTENANCE. YES, SIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. 
          OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST JUST SO I'M CLEAR, IS THE PROJECT SITE SHOWS THERE'S A BUILDING THERE EXISTING AND SO THAT THAT JUST GOES GOES AWAY, COMES BACK UP. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO LEAVE THAT BUILDING, SIR, AND BE PART OF A STORAGE WAREHOUSE. THIS FACILITY IS GOING TO BE NORTH WEST. IT'S GOING TO BE WEST OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. 
          I SEE IT'S POINTING THERE. I THOUGHT IT WAS. I'M TRACKING WITH YOU NOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF THEN? I WILL TAKE A MOTION. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. I MOVE TO APPROVE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET ME SEE. THIS IS GREAT. OKAY, GREAT. COMING DOWN. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR FIRST PRESENTATION. IT'S A DIRTY JOB, BUT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO DO IT. GET THAT SOLID WASTE DIRTY. YOU'LL HIT YOU LATER. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. NOW, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN DENTON? TWO MINUTES. TWO YEARS. MAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. IT'S TRULY EXCITING TIMES TO HAVE THAT MANY FIRST TIME PRESENTERS IN THE CITY. THE CITY IS GROWING WRITE IN GREAT STAFF. SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. TAKES US TO ITEM D ID 242224. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF 
          [D. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with Axon Enterprise, Inc. through the Sourcewell Cooperative Purchasing Network Contract No. 101223-AXN, for the purchase of Axon Systems, including camera system, software license and storage, peripherals, warranty, maintenance, and installation services for the Police Department; authorizing the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (File 8666 - awarded to Axon Enterprise, Inc., in the five (5) year not-to-exceed amount of $9,336,464.00).]
THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS. DENTON. CITY OF DENTON, A TEXAS HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH AXON ENTERPRISE, INC. THROUGH THE SOURCEWELL COMPARATIVE COOPERATIVE PURCHASE NETWORK. 
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CONTRACT NUMBER 101223, AXON. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS CHRIS SUMMIT. I'M A LIEUTENANT WITHIN POLICE. THIS IS A PROPOSAL ON THE AXON COMPREHENSIVE CONTRACT. 
          SO THE PURPOSE OF THE CONTRACT IS TO BRING MULTIPLE EXISTING CONTRACTS UNDER ONE COMPREHENSIVE CONTRACT. WE ALSO WANT TO REPLACE SOME STANDALONE SOFTWARE AND TIE IT IN WITH PRODUCTS THAT ARE INTEGRATED INTO AXON. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO ADDING NEW TECHNOLOGY CAPABILITIES WITH THIS CONTRACT. SO THE EXISTING CONTRACTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO COMBINE RIGHT NO, WE'RE CURRENTLY IN OUR OSP SEVEN PLUS, WHICH INCLUDES BODY CAMERAS, TASERS, EVIDENCE.COM AND SEVERAL SOFTWARE ITEMS. ON EVIDENCE.COM, WE HAVE A SEPARATE CONTRACT WITH AXON FOR OUR FLEET. IN-CAR CAMERAS, A SECOND SEPARATE CONTRACT WITH AXON FOR OUR INTERVIEW ROOM RECORDING SETUP, AND THEN A SEPARATE CONTRACT FOR DRONE, SINCE THAT WAS RECENTLY ACQUIRED BY AXON, THE SOFTWARE THAT WE WANT TO REPLACE DRONE SINCE. SINCE AXON JUST BOUGHT, THE COMPANY WILL BE REPLACED WITH AXON AIR. WE USE A SOFTWARE APPLICATION CALLED SPIDERTECH, WHICH IS LIKE A CUSTOMER FEEDBACK SURVEY MECHANISM THAT'S GOING TO BE REPLACED BY MY 90 WITH AXON AND IPRO AND BLUE TEAM, WHICH IS A EMPLOYEE TRACKING SOFTWARE FOR COMMENDATIONS. EDUCATION DISCIPLINE IS GOING TO BE REPLACED WITH AXON STANDARDS. THE NEW TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE TASER SEVEN, WILL BE UPGRADED TO THE TASER TEN. WE'RE GOING TO UPGRADE OUR IN-CAR CAMERAS TO FLEET THREE, WHICH WILL ALLOW LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION IN EVERY CAR, IN-CAR CAMERA SYSTEM AND LIVE STREAMING OF CAMERAS AND RECORD MODE SO THE SUPERVISOR COULD POTENTIALLY SEE FIRSTHAND DRIVING IN A PURSUIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO MAKE A DECISION TO STOP THE PURSUIT. IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE ROBUST VR TRAINING FOR TASER TEN AND SCENARIO BASED TRAINING. THE DRAFT ONE AI REPORT WRITING ASSISTANT AND THE FUSUS CAMERA INTEGRATION AND REAL TIME AWARENESS SOFTWARE. SO OVER A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT LIFE, THE PROJECTED EXPENDITURE IS $9.3 MILLION. YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF THE EXISTING CONTRACTS THAT WE'RE REPLACING. SO OUR ACTUAL NET INCREASE OVER THE FIVE YEAR SPAN GOING TO THIS CONTRACT WITH THE NEW SOFTWARE APPLICATIONS IS GOING TO. BE $4,479,278. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. GREAT QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. HEY CHRIS I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. THE OLD SOFTWARE. WHAT WAS DRONE SENSE SPIDER SOMETHING OR OTHER. AND I PRO OR ARE THOSE COMPANIES OR PACKAGES GOING AWAY I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THE PROPOSAL IS TO TRANSITION AWAY FROM THEM, BUT IS THE SOFTWARE AND THE VENDOR ITSELF CANCELING, QUITTING, GOING BANKRUPT OR ANYTHING? NO. THE MY 90 THAT'S GOING TO REPLACE SPIDER TECH'S ACTUALLY A SUPERIOR PRODUCT. THAT'S NOT JUST AN AUTOMATED TEXT CUSTOMER SERVICE POLE. SO LIKE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU MADE A 911 CALL TO DISPATCH, YOU'D GET A TEXT ASKING HOW WE DID ON THE CALL. SO THE MY 90 WILL DO THAT. IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO USE LIKE SOCIAL MEDIA TO GENERATE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, POLLS ON HOW WE'RE DOING IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO GENERATE POLLS WITHIN THE AGENCY TO MEASURE OFFICER MORALE, GATHER OFFICER OPINION FOR DIRECTION, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A SOFTWARE IMPROVEMENT. THE IA PRO AND BLUE TEAM, IT'S ADEQUATE BUT IT'S CLUNKY. THE AXON STANDARDS IS GOING TO INTEGRATE IT WHERE ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT LIKE ON A USE OF FORCE COMPLAINT RATHER THAN HAVING TO CARRY THAT EVIDENCE OVER FROM EVIDENCE.COM INTO IA PRO AND BLUE TEAM, EVERYTHING WILL BE HOUSED IN ONE PLACE. YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING THERE AND IT'S MORE ROBUST IN TERMS OF SEPARATING IT, SEPARATING OUT. THIS IS THE COMPLAINT SECTION. THIS IS THE COMMENDATION SECTIO. 
          THIS IS THE EDUCATION AND TRAINING SECTION TO TRACK, YOU KNOW EMPLOYEE THEIR THEIR PROGRESS AS THEY WORK FOR THE ORGANIZATION. OKAY. BUT DO WE DO WE HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH OUR 
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INTEGRATION NOW WITH AXON AND THE OTHER THE PACKAGES THAT WE HAVE NOW? IT'S JUST EXTRA STEPS. 
          IT'S AN INEFFICIENCY THAT WE CAN RESOLVE. AND THE PERFORMANCE IS BETTER. THE AI PRO AND BLUE TEAM SOFTWARE IS VERY, NOT VERY USER FRIENDLY AT ALL. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE THE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES AXON A GOOD PARTNER FOR US IS IT'S VERY INTUITIVE ON WHAT YOU'RE SEARCHING FOR, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, AND HELPS. IT'S EASIER TO NAVIGATE. IT REQUIRES ALMOST NO TRAINING. OKAY, WELL, I GUESS, AND I'LL THINK ABOUT THE ANSWERS AND LISTEN TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AND THE INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. BUT I GUESS WE'RE WE'RE ADDING $5 MILLION TO THE FIVE YEAR OR TEN YEAR BUDGET. FIVE YEAR, FIVE YEAR BUDGET, 4.4. AND SO $4.5 MILLION. AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS IT WORTH THE I MEAN, WHAT'S THE $800,000 PER YEAR ADVANTAGE TO US FOR KEEPING PACKAGES THAT WORK VERSUS VERSUS? I MEAN, SO WE'RE GETTING FOR $800,000, THE WE'RE NOT JUST SPENDING THE 800,000 ON THE TECHNOLOGY REPLACEMENT. WE'RE ALSO BRINGING ON NEW TECHNOLOGY LIKE THE FUZE SYSTEM. WE'RE UPGRADING THE TASER WEAPON SYSTEMS. WE'RE UPGRADING THE IN-CAR VIDEO CAMERAS WITH ADDITIONAL FEATURES AND NEW SOFTWARE PLATFORMS THAT ARE ALL ADDITIONAL FEES FOR USE. SO THE $800,000 SPEND IS NOT SOLELY FOR TO REPLACE SPIDER TECH TO REPLACE AA PRO AND BLUE TEAM, AND TO MOVE OVER FROM DRONE SENSE ■TO AXON IR, WHERE ARE MAKING ADDITIONAL TECHNOLOGY ADDS AS WELL. THE AI REPORTING TOOL DRAFT ONE IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE CRITICAL ONES, IN MY OPINION. I'VE HAD CONTACT WITH ANOTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY THAT WAS ONE OF THE COOPERATIVE TEST PARTNERS WITH AXON AS THEY WERE DEVELOPING THAT. THEY'RE A SIMILAR SIZE AGENCY TO DENTON PD, AND THE TIME THAT THEIR OFFICERS SPENT ON REPORT CALLS WAS REDUCED BY ABOUT 70%. SO AS WE'RE IN A CLIMATE WHERE IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND QUALIFIED CANDIDATES TO FILL OUR RANKS, TO KEEP UP WITH GROWTH, IF YOU CAN CUT DOWN STAFF TIME ON SOMETHING LIKE WRITING A THEFT REPORT FROM WALMART OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BY 70%, THAT'S ALMOST LIKE PUTTING NEW OFFICERS ON THE STREET. NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THAT ANSWER THAT THAT HELPS. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. REPRESENTATIVE, FROM DISTRICT SIX, COUNCILPERSON JESTER AND ACTUALLY, I THINK THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN YOU AND COUNCIL MEMBER BECK HELPED ANSWER SOME OF MY QUESTIONS, AS IN IN THE ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE THE COST. THE COST. ANALYST ARE WE ALSO LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, NOT NEEDING TO HIRE AS MANY PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE TIME SAVINGS THAT THIS WILL PROVIDE, AS WELL AS THE MATERIALS THAT YOU'VE LISTED ALREADY THAT ARE WRAPPED UP INTO THE. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I CAN ANSWER ON THAT I WOULD SAY MY GUT RESPONSE WOULD BE NO, WE WE'RE STILL NEEDING NEW PEOPLE. IT'S JUST BEING MORE EFFICIENT WITH THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE. AND GETTING BACK TO A POSTURE WHERE MAYBE WE CAN BE MORE PROACTIVE AND LESS REACTIVE AND BE BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS WHEN I STARTED MANY YEARS AGO. I GUESS MY THOUGHT WAS, IF YOU ARE DECREASING THE AMOUNT OF TIME CUMULATIVELY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO NEED AS MANY PEOPLE FOR CERTAIN TASKS. IF IT'S EASIER TO DO, AND IT CAN BE DONE IN A FASTER AMOUNT OF TIME, WE'D PROBABLY NEED TO SEE THE PROOF IN THE PUDDING BEFORE WE MADE THAT CALL. IN THE FUTURE, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE OF A BREAKDOWN WITH THIS KIND OF ASK. JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, AND I KNOW THAT OUR CITIZENS PUBLIC SAFETY IS UP THERE. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE DO AS A CITY IS PROVIDE THAT. AND SO IT'S OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANC. SO I SUPPORT IT. BUT THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION FOR THE FUTURE. 
          THANK YOU I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. WE DO HAVE ONE CARD. MR. CHARLES LEE. IF YOU CAN COME UP YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. YES. HI. HOW ARE YOU DOING? MY NAME IS CHARLES LEE. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW, I THINK I THINK I WENT THROUGH THE WORK SESSION WITH THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE SAME EXACT ITEM, BUT MY CONCERNS IS ABOUT THE PUBLIC INFORMATION. HOW LONG? HOW LONG IS THE PUBLIC INFORMATION GOING TO BE HOUSED FOR? BECAUSE LIKE, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY FOR THIS. BUT IF THIS IS A LONG TERM HOUSING OF PUBLIC INFORMATION, I HAVE LIKE CIVIL, CIVIL, LIBERTARIAN CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THAT INFORMATION COULD BE WEAPONIZED AGAINST POLITICAL DISSIDENTS AND IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN ABOUT THE ABOUT THE PROJECT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'M FOR IT. LIKE, LIKE, BUT WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE INFORMATION, THE PUBLIC INFORMATION, IF IT'S NOT, IF IT 
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HASN'T BEEN USED TO APPREHEND SUSPECTS ON THE STREET AS LIKE WITHIN IN THE AFTER 30 DAYS, THAT'S MY CONCERN. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAN YOU, CAN YOU CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT OR DOES CAN SOMEONE SPEAK TO THAT QUESTION ABOUT STORAGE OR DATA AND OR ACCESS. SO WITH THE ANYTHING THAT HAS AN EVIDENTIARY VALUE TO US, WE WILL STORE IT AS IF WE MADE AN ARREST TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OPEN RECORDS. SO IF WE INVESTIGATE A CLASS B MISDEMEANOR THEFT, WE'RE GOING TO RETAIN THAT RECORD FOR A PERIOD OF THREE YEARS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE IN THE CASE IN THE EVENTUALITY THAT WE DO MAKE AN ARREST IN THAT CASE, SO THAT THE EVIDENCE IS AVAILABLE UNDER THE OPEN RECORDS STATUTE FOR INFORMATION THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN EVIDENTIARY USE TO US RIGHT NOW, OUR PURGE CYCLE IS 241 DAYS ON BODY CAMERA AND FLEET CAMERA PRODUCTS. THAT'S BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT HAS 240 DAYS TO DISCOVER OFFICER MISCONDUCT AND TAKE ACTION. SO WE DON'T WANT TO PURGE ANY VIDEOS BEFORE THAT TIME FRAME HAS EXPIRED. WITH RESPECT TO THE LICENSE PLATE READER TECHNOLOGY, ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T GENERATE A CRIMINAL NEXUS WITHIN A 30 DAY PERIOD THAT THAT INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE DELETED FROM THE SYSTEM. AND WITH OUR PAST EXPERIENCE WITH AXON, WHEN IT'S DELETED, THERE'S NO NO WAY TO GET IT BACK. WE'VE REACHED OUT ON A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE DELETED AND IT HAS GONE FROM THE SYSTEM. ALL WE CAN DO IS PRODUCE AN AUDIT TRAIL THAT SHOWS THE EVIDENCE. WAS THERE AND IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THAT INSIGHT. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. I WANT TO DO ALL I CAN TO HELP OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT KEEP A SAFE CITY, A SAFE CITY. SO I'M, I'M EXCITED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS REPRESENTATIVE OF DISTRICT SIX SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. THE MESSAGE THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER CHESTER PUT IN, I'M GOING TO DOUBLE DOWN ON THAT. I'D LIKE TO SEE IN FUTURE REPORTS. YOU KNOW THE BREAKDOWN. YOU KNOW WE COULD WE COULD DO THAT IN NEAR TERM. AND THEN THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THESE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES BECAUSE I'M FROM MY LINE OF QUESTIONING, YOU CAN TELL I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT THE $880,000 A YEAR. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S $5 A CITIZEN. IS IT WAS IT WORTH $5 A CITIZEN PER YEAR? MAYBE. AND I'M HOPING THAT YOU WILL JUSTIFY THAT TO US. SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. BUT I WOULD LIKE SOME MORE BACKUP INFORMATION AS WE GO FORWARD. PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO, TAKES US TO ITEM E. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. ID 242241. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE 
          [E. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with Wells Fargo Merchant Services, L.L.C., for debit/credit card processing for the Finance Department; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFP 8601 - awarded to Wells Fargo Merchant Services, L.L.C., in the five (5) year not-to-exceed amount of $10,000,000.00).]
CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS. A HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH WELLS FARGO MERCHANT SERVICES, LLC. GOOD EVENING. RANDY KRINGLE, TREASURY MANAGER. I HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION REGARDING OUR CREDIT CARD PROCESSING REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL. OUR PROPOSAL WENT OUT ON JUNE 21ST OF THIS YEAR, AND WE HAD IT OUT ON THE STREET FOR ABOUT THREE AND A HALF WEEKS AND CLOSED ON JULY 17TH. WE RECEIVED MANY QUESTIONS AND PROVIDED MANY ANSWERS, AND WE HAD SIX, SIX PROPOSALS THAT CAME IN ON THE DEADLINE FOR THE EVALUATION TEAM TO REVIEW. WE HAVE PROPOSED THE INCUMBENT, OUR CURRENT CONTRACTOR, WELLS FARGO MERCHANT SERVICES. THEY DID HAVE THE EVALUATION, THE HIGHEST EVALUATION FOR WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. AND YOU CAN SEE THE CRITERIA HERE WITH PROJECT SCHEDULE, SPECIFICATIONS, PRICE, PROBABLE PERFORMANCE AND A LITTLE BACKGROUND ABOUT THE CREDIT CARD TRANSACTIONS THAT THE CITY HAS. HERE WE ARE LOOKING AT 2023 ACTUALS. WE HAVE 39 LOCATIONS THAT PROCESS CREDIT CARDS IN ONE SHAPE OR FORM, WHICH CONSIST OF THE POINT OF SALE BY TELEPHONE OR THE INTERNET. AND THE ACTUAL 2023 VOLUMES ARE LISTED HERE FOR YOU. A LITTLE OVER 716,000 TRANSACTIONS IN ONE CALENDAR YEAR FOR $150 MILLION. SO THE CONTRACT BREAKDOWN FOR ONE YEAR, 
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THE 2023 OF $150 MILLION WORTH OF REVENUE IS BROKEN OUT LIKE THIS. FOR THIS CONTRACT OR ANY CONTRACT WE'D HAVE IN THE FUTURE. SO WELLS FARGO MERCHANT SERVICES IS THE ACTUAL ENTITY THAT WE ARE CONTRACTING WITH. AND OF THAT $1.8 MILLION IN ONE YEAR, THEY BASICALLY GET AROUND $100,000 FOR BEING OUR CARD PROCESSOR AND FACILITATING ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GO OUT TO THE CARD BRANDS 200,000 OF THE 1.8 GOES DIRECTLY TO MASTERCARD, VISA AND DISCOVER. 
          THOSE ARE THE THREE BRANDS THAT WE ACCEPT, AND THAT IS SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY USE THEIR RAILS TO PROCESS THESE CARDS. AND LASTLY, THE 1.5 GOES DIRECTLY TO THE CARD ISSUING BANKS. WHATEVER CARD OUR CUSTOMERS ARE USING, THE INTERCHANGE RATES GOES DIRECTLY TO THEM. SO OUR CONTRACT WE PAY ALL OF THAT AND THE CARD NETWORK AND THE CARD ISSUING THINGS ARE JUST PASS THROUGH WHICH WE PAY TO THE CONTRACT TO WELLS FARGO MERCHANT SERVICES. AND THOSE FEES JUST GO STRAIGHT FORWARD TO THOSE ENTITIES. SO THE PROPOSED CONTRACT WITH WELLS FARGO MERCHANT SERVICES IS A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT NOT TO EXCEED $10 MILLION IN THAT FIVE YEARS. AND WE ARE BUDGETING THAT WITH SEVERAL FUNDS HERE AT THE CITY, BECAUSE WE HAVE MANY DEPARTMENTS THAT USE THOSE FUNDS FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE FOR THE FIVE YEAR TOTAL IS LOOKING AT $7.2 MILLION, GENERAL FUND AT 2.3, SOLID WASTE, 400,000 AND WASTE WATER, OR BETTER KNOWN IN THEIR SECTION AS BENEFICIAL REUSE OR DINO DIRT AREA, IS 63,000. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEMS LIKE A LOT HAPPENS. I'M JUST TAPPING MY CREDIT CARD. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S MORE GOING ON THAN THAN THAT CARD. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S GOING ON. YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THAT I DON'T SEE ANY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR? THANK YOU. WHAT WHAT IS THE DISCOUNT RATE. WHAT DOES THE CITY PAY? THERE IS NO DISCOUNT RATE. IT'S ALL BASED ON WHAT THE CARD HOLDER HAS. SO IF I USE MY PERSONAL DEBIT CARD TO GO PAY MY UTILITIES, THE CITY PAYS ONE RATE. IF I USE A CREDIT CARD THAT ACTUALLY HAS REWARD MILES, THE CITY IS CHARGED A DIFFERENT RATE, BUT THE RATE THAT GOES TO WELLS FARGO MERCHANT SERVICES IS A FLAT RAT. 
          OKAY, IF MY IF MY UTILITY BILL IS $100 AND I USE MY CREDIT CAR, HOW MUCH DO I PAY ON AVERAGE BASED ON THE 2023 IS ABOUT 1.25% FOR THE CITY. BUT IT'S EVERY CARD IS DIFFERENT. BUT HE'S PAGES UPON PAGES. SO BUT I THINK IF HE'S SAYING CITIZEN PAYS NOTHING, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING? YEAH. THE CITIZENS PAY NOTHING. WE ABSORB ALL COSTS. OKAY, OKAY. WELL, OKAY, I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO ASK IT A DIFFERENT WAY. SO THE CITY IS DISCOUNTING. GIVE ME GIVE ME A RANGE. AIRLINE MILES AND NO AIRLINE MILES. CORRECT. SO BUT BUT BUT GIVE ME KIND OF A RANGE. 
          HOW MUCH IS THE IS THE CITY IS MY $100. BEING DISCOUNTED FOR THE CITY FOR THE FOR MY CONVENIENCE TO USE MY CREDIT CARD. WE ARE PAYING THAT IN FULL. THE CITY IS PAYING ALL COSTS OF ANYONE USING A CREDIT CARD. WHAT IS THAT AVERAGE? SO IF IT'S $100, WHAT'S THAT AVERAGE? THAT THE FEE THAT THE CITY ABSORBS. WHAT DO YOU NET OUT OF THAT? I REALLY DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER. TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, BASED ON THE 2023 NUMBERS OF PAYING $1.8 MILLION, THE AVERAGE TICKET PRICE PERCENTAGE FOR US PER TRANSACTION IS 1.25%. OKAY, SO YOU OUGHT TO BE GETTING 9875 ON A $100 UTILITY BILL. A GOOD GUESS, BUT LIKE I SAID, IF I USE A DEBIT CARD, IT'S ONE THING. IF I USE A CREDIT CARD, IT'S ANOTHER. IF I USE A DEBIT CARD IS LESS, A DEBIT CARD IS LESS. YES. OKAY. AND AN AIRLINE MILES OR MORE? YES. REALLY. AND THEN A COMMERCIAL CARD IS EVEN MORE THAN THAT. OKAY, OKAY. THAT'S INTERESTING. THANK YOU. YES. SORRY, I CONFUSED THINGS. 
          THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU GO TO THE BANK, THEY PROMPT YOU TO SAY, HEY, PUT IN YOUR CODE. THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO. THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO SAY CREDIT CARD. THEY WANT YOU TO SAY DEBIT CARD. 
          WELL, AND IN A PREVIOUS LIFE I WORKED FOR A GOVERNMENT AGENCY THAT ADDED THE DISCOUNT RATE. 
          YOUR YOUR HUNDRED DOLLAR WASN'T A UTILITY BILL. YOUR $100 FINE. FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD BE $102 OR WHATEVER IT WAS, WHATEVER IT WAS. CORRECT. SO, SO THEY DID IT BACKWARDS. REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT SIX. THANK YOU, COUNCILPERSON JESTER. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND YOU KNOW, I DEAL WITH THIS IN MY BUSINESS AS WELL. AS FAR AS, HEY, WE'D RATHER HAVE A CHECK OR 
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CASH THAN THE CREDIT CARD, BUT A BETTER THE CREDIT CARD THAN NOT GETTING PAID. AND THE CONVENIENCE IS REALLY WHAT HELPS PEOPLE MAKE THAT PAYMENT AND MAKE TIME TO DO THAT. SO I GET THAT AS FAR AS WHERE THE RFP WENT, DOES IT GO OUT TO ANY OF OUR COMMUNITY BANKS, OR IS IT JUST PUT OUT ON THE WEBSITE AND WHOMEVER KIND OF TROLLS THE WEBSITE AND FINDS IT OR HOW IS THAT IT IS SELECTED ON THE PROCUREMENT SYSTEM WITH A NIP CODE? I BELIEVE IT IS FOR FINANCIAL SERVICES IN GENERAL. WE DON'T REACH OUT TO THE LOCAL BANKS BECAUSE THIS ISN'T LIKE A BANK DEPOSITORY. THIS IS A CARD PROCESSING. SO EVEN, YOU KNOW, WELLS FARGO JUST HAPPENS TO BE A WELLS FARGO MERCHANT SERVICES. JPMORGAN WILL HAVE PAYMENT TECH, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          SO THEIR THEIR BRANCHES OF THOSE. BUT THE BANKS WOULDN'T BE THE ONES THAT'S ACTUALLY PROVIDING AN RFP RESPONSE. OKAY. AND THE POINT BEING THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS JUST POSTED AND THEY CAN COME FIND IT. YES. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. GREAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. SEEING NONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX I MOVE APPROVAL AS PROPOSED. IS THERE A SECOND REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU. 
          [F. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, A Texas Home-Rule Municipal Corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute Amendment number four (4) to the Power Purchase Agreement between the City and Core Scientific Inc., a Delaware Corporation; providing for an effective date.]
          [G. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas Home-Rule Municipal Corporation ("The City"), authorizing the City Manager to execute a Third Amendment to the Lease Agreement between the City and Core Scientific Inc., a Delaware Corporation; providing for an effective date.]
          [H. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas a home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute an Agreement for Value Loss Consideration with Core Scientific, Inc., a Delaware Corporation; and providing an effective date.]
          [I. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas Home-Rule Municipal Corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a Temporary Construction Easement between the City and Core Scientific Inc., a Delaware Corporation; providing for an effective date.]
OKAY, THESE NEXT FEW ARE GOING TO BE HAVE ONE PRESENTATION. SO THAT'S F THROUGH I. IS THAT CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. DOUBLE CHECK ME I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT MAYOR OKAY F THROUGH IS CORRECT OKAY GREAT. SO I'LL CALL ALL OF THESE ITEM F ID 241876. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS. HOME RULE MUNICIPAL MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR TO THE POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND CORE SCIENTIFIC, INC. THEN ITEM G, ID 241881. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF
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