[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding an update to the Airport Master Plan. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

CHOO. ITEM A ID 242288. RECEIVE, REPORT, WHOLE DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING AN UPDATE ON THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN. MAYOR AND COUNCIL RYAN ADAMS, DIRECTOR OF AIRPORT. LET ME PULL UP THE PRESENTATION. ONE OF THESE. SO I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE IT. WE HAVE ERIC PFEIFER WITH KAUFMAN ASSOCIATES WHO'S GOING TO LEAD THE PRESENTATION. AND THE GOAL OF TODAY IS JUST TO BRING THE COUNCIL UP TO SPEED WITH WHERE THE AIRPORT IS AT, WITH ITS MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS SO THAT WHEN WE COME BACK AND VISIT YOU AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, FUTURE ALTERNATIVES FOR THE AIRPORT, YOU AS A COUNCIL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND A LITTLE BIT OF BASIS FOR REVIEWING THOSE ALTERNATIVES. SO I'LL GIVE IT AWAY TO ERIC. THANK YOU. THANKS, RYAN. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS REALLY HIGH LEVEL. WE ARE AT THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THIS MASTER PLANNING PROJECT. AND IF YOU'VE NOT BEEN THROUGH A MASTER PLAN AT AN AIRPORT BEFORE, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS STUDY IS TO IDENTIFY WHAT KIND OF FACILITY NEEDS THIS AIRPORT IS GOING TO NEED TO BE MEETING OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 20 YEARS. IT'S A REGULAR PROCESS THAT THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION REQUIRES AIRPORTS TO GO THROUGH ON OCCASION. AND THE LAST MASTER PLAN DONE FOR THIS AIRPORT WAS ABOUT NINE YEARS AGO. SO WE'RE AT A REALLY GREAT TIME TO REEVALUATE THINGS. WE HAVE A REALLY ROBUST PLANNING TEAM AS PART OF US. MY NAME IS ERIC PFEIFER. I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER. ALSO WITH ME HERE TODAY IS MIKE DMYTERKO. HE'S PLANNING SUPPORT ON THIS, AND WE HAVE A FEW SUB CONSULTANTS TO HELP US ALONG. MARTINEZ GEOSPATIAL IS DOING SOME WORK TO IDENTIFY ANY POTENTIAL AIRSPACE OBSTRUCTION ISSUES. WE HAVE JORDAN AVIATION STRATEGIES. WHO'S GOING TO BE CONDUCTING A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS BASED UPON THE CAPITAL PROGRAM THAT WE IDENTIFY. GARVER, THE ON CALL ENGINEER FOR THE AIRPORT, IS GOING TO BE HELPING US WITH SOME COST ESTIMATING, AND THEN WE HAVE A HUB POINT ON WHO'S GOING TO BE EVALUATING THE AIRPORT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO TO ATTRACT SOME AIR CARGO ACTIVITY AT THE AIRPORT. KAUFMAN ASSOCIATES WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR ALMOST 45

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YEARS NOW, AND WE DO SPECIFICALLY AIRPORT PLANNING STUDIES FOR AIRPORTS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THIS WORK HERE IN TEXAS, INCLUDING HERE AT DENTON. WE'VE DONE OR BEEN A PART OF THREE AIRPORT MASTER PLANS IN ITS HISTORY, INCLUDING A CAPACITY STUDY THAT HELPED SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF YOUR NEW PARALLEL RUNWAY THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN BACK IN 2019. SO THIS IS THIS IS VERY FAMILIAR GROUND TO US AND SOMETHING THAT WE DO A LOT OF WORK OF. ALL RIGHT. SO THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS ITSELF IS BROKEN INTO THREE PHASES. AT THIS POINT WE'VE COMPLETED THE FIRST PHASE, WHICH IS EVALUATING THE AIRPORT'S INVENTORY AND FORECASTS. SO THIS GIVES US AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN TERMS OF EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE AIRPORT AND WHERE THINGS MIGHT BE GOING IN IN TERMS OF OVERALL ACTIVITY. AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FORECASTING, WE LOOK AT 20 YEARS OF GROWTH IN TERMS OF AIRPORT OPERATIONS, THE TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS OCCURRING AT THE AIRPORT AND THE NUMBER OF BASED AIRCRAFT. THE NEXT PHASE WILL MOVE INTO IS EVALUATING THE FACILITY REQUIREMENTS AND ALTERNATIVES, WHICH BASICALLY TELLS US WHAT KIND OF NEW FACILITIES MIGHT BE NEEDED OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, AND HOW MIGHT THOSE BE LAID OUT? THE THIRD PHASE WILL COME BACK WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND A CAPITAL PROGRAM THAT ADDRESSES ALL THE NEEDS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THIS. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS PROCESS CHART HERE, WE DO HAVE INVOLVEMENT FROM A PLANNING ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HERE ON THE NEXT SLIDE. AND WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF PUBLIC INFORMATION WORKSHOPS AS WELL TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO COME OUT, SEE THE MATERIAL, GET EDUCATED ABOUT THE AIRPORT AND WHAT'S GOING ON, AND OFFER THEIR INPUT INTO THE PROCESS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BEING HIGHLIGHTED HERE. SO AT EACH ONE OF THESE PHASES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC OUTREACH AND COORDINATION WITH OUR PLANNING ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SO OUR COMMITTEE IS MADE UP OF ABOUT 20 INDIVIDUALS. AIRPORT STAFF ADVISORY BOARD, VARIOUS REPRESENTATIVES FROM CITY DEPARTMENTS. AND WE ALSO HAVE AIRPORT TENANTS ON THE COMMITTEE AND THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS AND THE TEXAS WOMAN'S UNIVERSITY AS REPRESENTATIVES.

SO WE HAVE A REALLY ROBUST, DIVERSE GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS THAT CAN SPEAK INTO AND OFFER FEEDBACK AS WE MOVE THROUGH THESE PHASES. THE PLANNING ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS NOT A VOTING GROUP. THEY ARE JUST TO HELP INFORM AND GUIDE THROUGH THE PROCESS. IN THE EFFORTS OF MAKING THIS AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT PROJECT, WE DO HAVE A STUDY WEBSITE WHERE WE ARE POSTING ALL OF OUR DRAFT STUDY MATERIALS, AND THE PUBLIC CAN REVIEW THAT AND OFFER THEIR COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK THROUGH THAT STUDY WEBSITE. SO THIS IS THE EXISTING AIRPORT FACILITIES.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU HAVE A TWO PARALLEL RUNWAYS RIGHT NOW. PRIMARY RUNWAY ONE EIGHT LEFT THREE SIX RIGHT IS JUST OVER 7000FT LONG AND 150FT WIDE, WHICH IS WHICH IS A VERY SUITABLE RUNWAY DIMENSIONS FOR THE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES THAT THIS AIRPORT ACCOMMODATES. THIS AIRPORT IS A WHAT'S KNOWN AS A GENERAL AVIATION RELIEVER AIRPORT. SO ITS PURPOSE IS TO RELIEVE THE COMMERCIAL SERVICE AIRPORTS IN THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA. SO DFW AND LOVE FIELD OF GENERAL AVIATION TRAFFIC SO THAT THEY CAN FOCUS ON THEIR CORE MISSION, WHICH IS TO ACCOMMODATE COMMERCIAL SERVICE. SO IN THAT ROLE, THIS AIRPORT DOES A FANTASTIC JOB OF MEETING THAT NEED, ESPECIALLY SINCE ADDING THE PARALLEL RUNWAY, WHICH HAS INCREASED THE CAPACITY OF THE AIRPORT. WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF GROWTH IN TERMS OF FLIGHT TRAINING ACTIVITY AND BUSINESS AVIATION THAT OCCURS IN THIS PART OF THE METROPLEX. ALL OF THE LANDSIDE FACILITIES YOU SEE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE WITH THE TERMINAL, YOU HAVE A NEW FIRE STATION THAT WAS JUST OPENED THIS SUMMER. AND ALL OF THE CORE HANGAR FACILITIES, OVER 730 SOME THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF HANGAR CAPACITY ON THE AIRPORT, AND SEVERAL APRON AREAS FOR AIRCRAFT PARKING. ONE OF THE INTERESTING OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE EXPLORING AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS STUDY IS HOW TO DEVELOP THE WEST SIDE, OR THE BOTTOM PORTION OF THE SCREEN. HERE, AS WE LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LOOP 288 ROAD, THAT'S GOING TO BE PASSING ACTUALLY THROUGH AIRPORT PROPERTY, GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY FOR NEW ACCESS TO THAT WEST SIDE AND SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT. THIS HERE IS OUR FORECAST SUMMARY. SO IF YOU LOOK IN THE FAR LEFT COLUMN HERE THAT BREAKS DOWN EVERYTHING. THE ACTIVITY GOING ON AT THE AIRPORT.

CURRENTLY YOU HAVE OVER 220,000 ANNUAL OPERATIONS HERE. IN THE MOST RECENT 12 MONTH PERIOD AND 412 TOTAL BASED AIRCRAFT OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 20 YEARS. WE SEE THESE NUMBERS INCREASING, WHICH IS CONTINUING ON HISTORIC TRENDS, WITH OPERATIONS GROWING TO ALMOST 325,000 BY 2044 AND BASE AIRCRAFT NUMBERED IN 717. THE FAR RIGHT CHARTS YOU SEE THERE GIVES YOU KIND OF THE HISTORY OF THE OPERATIONS. YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT'S GROWN OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS, AND OUR

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FORECASTS ARE MORE OR LESS CONTINUING THAT HISTORIC TREND. OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE SOCIO ECONOMIC GROWTH, BUSINESS GROWTH, POPULATION GROWTH THAT THIS AREA HAS EXPERIENCED, WE THINK THAT ONLY SUPPORTS WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IN TERMS OF THE LONG TERM DEMAND FOR THIS AIRPORT. IN ADDITION TO THE OPERATIONAL GROWTH, THE AIRPORT DOES HAVE AN AIRCRAFT WAITING LIST OF OVER 100 INDIVIDUALS. SO THERE'S AGAIN, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER STRONG INDICATOR OF DEMAND FOR THIS AIRPORT AND FOR ITS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. SO OUR NEXT STEPS, AND I KNOW I WENT THROUGH THIS FAIRLY QUICKLY, BUT THE NEXT STEPS IS TO GO INTO THAT SECOND PHASE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE IDENTIFYING OUR FACILITY NEEDS AND ULTIMATELY ALTERNATIVES. BUT REALLY, THE PURPOSE HERE, AGAIN, WAS TO JUST GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN THIS STUDY SO THAT WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOME SOME LAYOUT OPTIONS AND DIFFERENT THINGS, THAT YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT BASELINE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE OUR NEXT SET OF MEETINGS SOMETIME IN EARLY 2025.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL BE BACK WITH SOME SOME ALTERNATIVES AND DIFFERENT LAYOUTS FOR FACILITIES TO BE CONSIDERING. AND WITH THAT, I DID WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS. AND SO I'LL OPEN IT UP TO YOU FOR THAT. ANY QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX, COUNCILPERSON JESTER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. AND WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOUR EXPERTISE AND HAVING THE INVOLVEMENT OF YOUR COMPANY THAT OBVIOUSLY HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE HERE. I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THEM. SURE. WE DO HAVE AN AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD. WHAT IS THEIR INVOLVEMENT, IF ANY, IN THIS PROCESS? SURE. YEAH. GREAT QUESTION. WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATION FROM THE ADVISORY BOARD ON OUR PLANNING ADVISORY COMMITTEE. OKAY. WE SEE THAT YES, WE DO HAVE THEM ON THERE. AND CERTAINLY WITH THEIR BACKGROUND AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE AIRPORT, WE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO BE ON OUR COMMITTEE AS WELL. SO THEY ARE ATTENDING ALL OF OUR MEETINGS AND OFFERING THEIR FEEDBACK THROUGH IT. OKAY. YES. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS, WHO ARE THOSE NOTIFICATIONS GOING OUT TO? AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PARTAKE IN? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. THAT IS OPEN UP TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME OUT. AND WE ADVERTISE THOSE IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

YOU KNOW, TODAY A LOT OF PEOPLE GET THEIR INFORMATION FROM SOCIAL MEDIA AND ONLINE. AND SO WE DO POST ADVERTISEMENTS FOR THE WORKSHOPS ON ON OUR STUDY WEBSITE. AND WE PROVIDE THE ADVERTISEMENTS TO AIRPORT STAFF. AND THEY POSTED IT IN AND AROUND THE AIRPORT AND USE THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS TO, TO ADVERTISE. SO WE RELY ON THAT TO GET THE WORD OUT. AND THERE'S OTHER METHODS AS WELL THAT WE CAN USE. BUT THAT'S THAT'S PRIMARILY WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR. AND, AND IN THE FIRST COUPLE WORKSHOPS WE'VE HAD PRETTY GOOD TURNOUT, PROBABLY AROUND 20 OR SO PEOPLE SHOWING UP FOR THOSE MEETINGS AND, AND HAVE HAD REALLY, REALLY GOOD DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME FOLKS COMING OUT AT THOSE WORKSHOPS. GREAT. AND WE CAN HELP GET THE WORD OUT AS WELL. SURE. AND THEN WHAT I WOULD SAY MOVING FORWARD IS I THINK THE NEED IS GOING TO GROW. I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF POTENTIAL WITH THE DENTON AIRPORT, BUT I WOULD SAY WITH ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY TO BRING BACK TO US, YOU KNOW, PLEASE EMPHASIZE HOW THIS BENEFITS OUR CITIZENS. ABSOLUTELY. FINANCIALLY, WORKFORCE, YOU KNOW, JOBS, ETC. I CAN TELL YOU FOR ME PERSONALLY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR THE REGION, JUST KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE WHAT I'M GOING TO WANT TO HEAR ABOUT. SO NO, I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT BECAUSE THAT IS VERY MUCH OUR PURPOSE AND OUR INTENT IN IN EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE AIRPORT. IN FACT, WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION IN OUR FIRST PHASE REPORT THAT TALKS ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE AIRPORT OVER $150 MILLION IN ANNUAL ECONOMIC IMPACT, ALONG WITH THE JOBS AND PAYROLL THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT. AND THOSE ARE NUMBERS FROM, I THINK, 2018. SO THAT'S WE'RE A FEW YEARS OUT OF THAT. TXDOT DID THAT STUDY, AND THERE WILL BE UPDATING THOSE NUMBERS.

AND IN FACT, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT THIS IS ACTUALLY SEPARATE PART FROM THE MASTER PLAN. BUT WE HAVE ANOTHER CONSULTANT WHO'S UPDATING THOSE ECONOMIC IMPACT NUMBERS FOR THE AIRPORT NOW. SO WE'LL HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION. AND I SAW ONE OF THE PROJECT TEAM MEMBERS IN PARTICULAR FOCUSING ON ON THAT. AND I KNOW IT'S A BENEFIT, BUT I KNOW THAT AS WE CONTEMPLATE FURTHER INVESTMENT, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE AT THE TOP OF OUR MIND. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. NO GREAT QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE AND INTO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. QUESTION FOR YOU LOOKING LOOKING IN THE IN THE PRESENTATION YOU TALKED ABOUT STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT. DEFINE A STAKEHOLDER

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FOR ME. ARE THOSE ARE YOU ONLY MEETING THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE LISTED WHO PARTICIPATE AS PART OF THE PLANNING COMMITTEE? YES. SO AS FAR AS THE COMMITTEE, WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS TARGET OR IDENTIFY STAKEHOLDERS ON THE AIRPORT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. AND CERTAINLY WITH THE NORTH UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS AND TEXAS WOMEN'S UNIVERSITY, ANYONE WHO MIGHT HAVE SOME GOOD INPUT AND BRING US A DIVERSITY OF INPUT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE AIRPORT. SO THAT INCLUDES PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT HAVE MUCH OF A BACKGROUND IN THE AIRPORT OR THE OPERATIONS OF THE AIRPORT, BUT MIGHT HAVE A REALLY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS OF THE CITY OF DENTON. SO AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF THE FORMULATION OF HOW WE CAME UP WITH OUR PACK MEMBERS. IS IT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE DONE SEVERAL OF THESE. IS YOUR EXPERIENCE BEEN WORKING WITH OTHER AIRPORTS THAT THERE IS DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WHAT OTHER NEARBY REGIONAL AIRPORTS ARE DOING, HOW THAT AFFECTS SAID AIRPORT. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS, HOW DOES WHAT'S HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER AIRPORTS AROUND THE AREA AFFECT WHERE WE'RE GOING IN 20 YEARS PARTICULARLY? I'M THINKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT MCKINNEY IS LOOKING AT ADDING PASSENGER COMPONENT. HOW DOES HOW DO THOSE THINGS AFFECT US MOVING FORWARD, CREATING OUR 20 YEAR PLAN? CERTAINLY. YEAH, IT GREATLY AFFECTS. AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE DEFINITELY CONSIDER IN OUR EVALUATIONS. YOU KNOW, WHAT MCKINNEY IS DOING IS DISCUSSED IN OUR PHASE ONE REPORT. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE FORECASTING OF AVIATION DEMAND, MCKINNEY'S GOT A REALLY BIG HEAD START ON GETTING A PASSENGER TERMINAL FACILITY GOING FOR THEM. THEY WANT TO BRING IN THE COMMERCIAL SERVICE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND DISCUSSED ON, ON HOW WE WANT TO APPROACH IF THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL IN BRINGING COMMERCIAL SERVICE TO MCKINNEY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IS THAT GOING TO IS THAT GOING TO PUSH OUT SOME GENERAL AVIATION TRAFFIC FROM THEIR AIRPORT AND POSSIBLY BRING IT OVER HERE? THAT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE. WE ALSO TALK ABOUT FORT WORTH ALLIANCE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE AIR CARGO ACTIVITY IS GOING ON OVER THERE. LIKE I MENTIONED, WE HAVE HUB POINT ON TO EVALUATE THE POTENTIAL FOR AIR CARGO ACTIVITY HERE AT DENTON. AND THAT WILL PLAY INTO IT AS WELL WITH WHAT ALLIANCE IS DOING. AND ALLIANCE ALSO FACTORS INTO THE COMMERCIAL SERVICE COMPONENT OF THIS. WE'VE DONE WORK FOR THE CITY OF FORT WORTH AND THEY'VE CONSIDERED OVER THE YEARS WHETHER THEY WANT TO START UP A COMMERCIAL SERVICE AIRPORT. AND ALLIANCE IS USUALLY THE AIRPORT THAT'S DISCUSSED AS BEING THE TARGET FOR BRINGING THAT IN. BUT YEAH, WE DO HAVE EXPERIENCE OF THESE AIRPORTS AND UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE AT AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE GROWING OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. AND I THINK KIND OF WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON HERE IS, IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS AIRPORT IS SET UP TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE GENERAL AVIATION ACTIVITY THAT THAT IT ITSELF IS GOING TO GENERATE DEMAND FOR, ALONG WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR SOME NEW DEMAND THAT MIGHT COME FROM SOME OF THESE OTHER REGIONAL AIRPORTS, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY DEVELOP AND GROW INTO THE COMMERCIAL SERVICE SEGMENT. AND MAYOR, ONE MORE, IF I MIGHT. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A CITY OF DENTON ENTITY THAT THIS BODY DECIDES THE DIRECTION, BUT DO YOU DO YOU REGULARLY ALSO WORK WITH OTHER ELECTED BODIES, STATE REPS, OUR COUNTY PARTNERS? IS THERE DIALOG AND PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM AS THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS? YES. SO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH TXDOT, DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION, AND WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM ON ON A LOT OF STATE AIRPORT PROJECTS. WE ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATION FROM THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS. THEY HAVE REPRESENTATION ON OUR COMMITTEE. AND THROUGH AGAIN, VARIOUS MEMBERS OF OUR PLANNING ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WE HAVE INSIGHTS INTO WHAT'S GOING ON AT A AT A COUNTY LEVEL AND, AND BEYOND THROUGHOUT THE METROPLEX. SO WE FEEL LIKE THAT GIVES US A GOOD, ROBUST, ROUNDED VIEW OF EVERYTHING WE MIGHT NEED TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE AIRPORT.

AND A BIG, BIG COMPONENT OF THIS TOO, IS WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION GUIDELINES. AND SO THAT'S ALWAYS FIRST AND FOREMOST THAT WE'RE MEETING THE LONG TERM SAFETY AND SECURITY AND EFFICIENCY NEEDS OF THIS AIRPORT. ACCORDING TO FAA STANDARDS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU, REPRESENTATIVE. DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. AND I'LL ECHO THE COMMENTS THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE GRADUAL STAGES. I APPRECIATE THE FRAMING OF THAT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING IF WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE KIND OF THING. AND SO I'M GOING TO ASK ONE OF MY LAST QUESTIONS.

I ONLY HAVE THREE AREAS. LET ME PICK UP FROM WHERE, COUNCILOR MCGEE. SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE ANSWERS TO COUNCILOR MCGEE, WE ARE GENERALLY GETTING WE ARE GETTING OUR REGIONAL APPROACH THROUGH OUR PAC MEMBERS. IS THAT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME? YEAH. YEAH, WE TRY AND, YES, GAIN SOME KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT'S GOING ON. AND, YOU KNOW, THROUGH OUR WORK AT VARIOUS AIRPORTS, WE'VE WORKED AT MCKINNEY AND ALMOST EVERY GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT IN THE METROPLEX. SO WE

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KIND OF ALREADY HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE VARIOUS AIRPORTS ARE TRYING TO DO AND ACCOMPLISH OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE BRING SOME OF THAT KNOWLEDGE OURSELVES, BUT CERTAINLY THROUGH OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS, WE TRY AND, YOU KNOW, EXPAND ON THAT.

SO HOW OUR PUZZLE PIECE FITS INTO THE PUZZLE IS THROUGH THAT MECHANISM. OKAY. DO WE AND WE ARE KEEP IS THAT THE SAME MECHANISM WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH OUR WITH OUR LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL DELEGATIONS AS WELL FOR THEIR COMPONENTS. YES. AND COMPONENTS OF THE MASTER PLAN ITSELF WILL GO TO TXDOT AND THE FAA FOR APPROVAL. THE FORK. SO IT'S TWO PIECES. THE FORECAST WILL BE APPROVED BY TXDOT. AND THEN THE REALLY BIG OUTCOME OF THIS PROCESS IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN DRAWING SET. AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE BLUEPRINT FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE AIRPORT AND ANY PROJECT THAT THE AIRPORT WANTS TO TRY AND GET GRANT FUNDING FOR WHICH MUCH OF CAPITAL PROJECTS AT AIRPORTS ARE FUNDED THROUGH FEDERAL GRANTS, HAS TO BE DEPICTED ON THE ALP. SO THAT PIECE OF THE MASTER PLAN ITSELF WILL GO TO TXDOT AND TO THE FAA, AND THEY WILL ULTIMATELY APPROVE THAT AND THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN IN IN THE LATTER STAGES OF THE STUDY. EXCELLENT. I JUST HAVE TWO EDUCATION QUESTIONS I THINK YOU CAN HELP ME WITH. AS I UNDERSTAND FROM READING THROUGH THE REPORT AND THE PRESENTATION, AM I ARE THOSE FOUR THAT YOU LISTED ON THE EXISTING AIRSIDE FACILITIES? THOSE ARE FOUR MAJOR. CATALOG OF ASSETS. IS THOSE THOSE FOUR. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND YOU KNOW I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THOSE ARE LARGE AND MULTI COMPONENT. BUT GENERALLY THOSE ARE THE FOUR CATEGORIES. AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE AIRPORT FITS WITH WITHIN ONE OF THOSE FOUR CATEGORIES I'M SORRY WHICH FOUR CATEGORIES. SO THE TOP LEFT IS ARE THOSE THE ASSETS. SO I, I GUESS I MAY HAVE OVERLOOKED IT BUT WHERE WAS THE LIST OF ASSETS. SURE. NO. SO THIS THIS IS GIVING THIS EXHIBIT HERE IS GIVING A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE LOCATION AND DIMENSIONS OF THE EXISTING AIRFIELD FACILITIES. SO THE IN THE UPPER LEFT HERE IS JUST IDENTIFYING WHAT EXISTING WEATHER AND NAVIGATIONAL AIDS ARE ON THE AIRPORT. THE INFORMATION IN THE LOWER RIGHT ARE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE RUNWAY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AIRSIDE FACILITIES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RUNWAYS, THE TAXIWAYS AND NAVIGATIONAL AIDS. THOSE WOULD BE, I WOULD SAY, THE THREE PRIMARY CATEGORIES OF EQUIPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE ON AN AIRPOR.

WHEN TALKING ABOUT AIRSIDE FACILITIES, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LANDSIDE FACILITIES, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APRON AREAS, HANGARS, THE TERMINAL AND ANY SUPPORT FACILITIES. FUEL CAPACITY, FIREFIGHTING STATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND MAINTENANCE YARDS. SO THAT'S KIND OF A VERY GENERALIZED APPROACH OR UNDERSTANDING OF KIND OF THE BASIC AREAS OF THE AIRPORT THAT WE STUDY. AND, AND I'LL GO, IF THE ANSWER IS IT'S IN, IT'S IN THE REPORT, I'LL GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK. AND I GUESS I MISSED IT. BUT THE ASSETS ARE LISTED IN THE REPORT.

YEAH. YEAH. WE HAVE A WHOLE YEAH CHAPTER THAT'S ON ME. I'LL GO BACK AND REVIEW. NO, IT'S THERE'S A WHOLE INVENTORY CHAPTER THAT KIND OF DELVES INTO ALL THE EXISTING FACILITIES ON THE AIRPORT, AND THERE MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE ONE ENTIRE LISTING OF EVERY AIRPORT FACILITY. BUT IF YOU GO THROUGH THE CHAPTER, IT'S ALL BROKEN OUT INDIVIDUALLY INTO THE DIFFERENT SEGMENTS AND DESCRIBED. AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, AND I THE SOURCE FOR THE CUMULATIVE ANNUAL GROWTH RATE, I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THAT WAS HISTORICAL BASED ON TRENDS, BUT THEN ALSO THAT NOW HELP ME. OUR LAST DATA POINT WAS 20 WHEN SO WE ESTIMATE SO WHEN THESE WERE PREPARED WE USED THE MOST RECENT 12 MONTH CALENDAR PERIOD FOR OPERATIONS DATA. BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN AIRPORT TRAFFIC CONTROL CONTROL TOWER. AND SO WE USE THE MONTHLY DATA TO COME UP WITH WHAT WE'RE COUNTING. OUR 2024 OPERATIONS COUNT FOR. AND I THINK THAT WAS THE 12 MONTH PERIOD ENDING OF JULY. OKAY. SO WE'RE CURRENT, OUR DATA IS CURRENT AND THE TREND LINES AS OF JULY. AND THAT IS WHERE WE'RE GETTING THESE 2 TO 3% CAGR IN THE VARIOUS CATEGORIES. YEAH. AND THAT'S A COMPONENT OF HOW WE DEVELOP THE FORECAST. LIKE I SAID WE ALSO LOOK AT POPULATION GROWTH THAT'S PROJECTED FOR THE AREA EMPLOYMENT AND ALSO WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE INDUSTRY. THE FAA PUTS OUT AN ANNUAL FORECAST OF GENERAL AVIATION DEMAND OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. AND SO THAT DATA ALSO FACTORS INTO THIS A LOT. AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS GROWTH THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE SEE A LOT OF FLIGHT TRAINING ACTIVITY GOING ON THAT'S REFLECTIVE OF THE NEED OF THE AIRLINES TO REPLACE PILOTS THAT HAVE RETIRED. WE SEE A PILOT SHORTAGE. SO THIS AIRPORT ACCOMMODATES A LOT OF FLIGHT TRAINING ACTIVITY, WHICH IS VERY, VERY BENEFICIAL ACTIVITY.

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ALSO MORE SOPHISTICATED AIRCRAFT. THE CORPORATE FLIGHTS IS A GROWTH CATEGORY THAT WE SEE A LOT MORE BUSINESS JETS AND TURBOPROPS FLYING IN AND OUT OF THE AIRPORT. SO ALL OF THAT AND THOSE ARE CATEGORIES THAT ARE PROJECTED TO CONTINUE TO GROW OVER TIME. AND SO A LOT OF THAT AGAIN, FACTORS INTO THIS FORECAST THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER, I, I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO EDUCATE ME. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, MR. MAYOR. REPRESENTATIVE IN DISTRICT ONE. REAL SIMPLE QUESTION. OPERATIONAL PEAKING CHARACTERISTICS. WHAT DOES DESIGN DAY AND DESIGN HOUR. WHAT IS THAT? SO THAT'S INFORMATION THAT WILL BE USED HEAVILY IN OUR FACILITY REQUIREMENTS ANALYSIS. WE USE THAT TO HELP PLAN FOR APPROPRIATELY PLAN FOR THE SIZING OF APRON AREAS AND THEIR TERMINAL SPACES. SO WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND ON A DESIGN DAY WHICH IS GOING TO BE AN AVERAGE DAY DURING YOUR PEAK MONTH OF ACTIVITY, WHAT KIND OF HOW MANY AIRCRAFT ARE COMING IN AND OUT? HOW MANY PASSENGERS AND TRAVELERS ARE COMING IN AND OUT? THAT HELPS US PLAN FOR THE FACILITY NEEDS OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. SO THAT'S A SIMPLE WAY OF HOW WE DO THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT'S REALLY ALL WHAT I HAD BECAUSE I WAS THINKING THAT THAT WAS A DAY WHERE YOU ALL WOULD SIT DOWN AND IT'S A IT'S A FUTURISTIC THOUGHT PROCESS THERE. AS TO HOW MANY MORE HANGARS YOU WOULD NEED AND WHERE WOULD THEY GO BASED ON THE TRAFFIC NOW. AND YOU'RE PROJECTING. SO YOU ACTUALLY TAKE A DAY OUT OF THE MONTH, OR IS THIS AN ANNUAL THING? A DESIGN DAY WOULD BE THE AVERAGE DAY DURING THE PEAK MONTH. SO WE IDENTIFY WHAT MONTH DURING THE YEAR YOU HAVE THE MOST AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY, AND ALL THE REST OF YOUR PEAKING CHARACTERISTICS ARE BASED UPON THAT MONTH, AND DESIGN DAY IS SIMPLY THE AVERAGE. SO YOU TAKE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF OPERATIONS THAT MONTH, IN THIS CASE OVER 22,000, AND YOU AVERAGE THAT OUT OVER, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY DAYS THERE ARE THAT MONTH AND THAT THAT'S HOW YOU ESTABLISH WHAT YOUR DESIGN DAY IS. AND THE REST OF THOSE THE BUSY DAY DESIGN HOUR ALL IS KIND OF A DERIVATIVE OF THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE I JUST TO WRAP UP, THERE'S A COUPLE OF JUST NOTABLES FOR ME I THINK GET RID OF THAT. I WOULD IT DOES IT FALL UNDER YOUR KIND OF REPORTING TO HIGHLIGHT POINT OUT BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES PLANS, GAPS THAT SORT OF THING. SO IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY, YES, THIS IS AT ITS CORE A FACILITIES PLAN. AND OUR THE WHOLE PURPOSE HERE IS TO IDENTIFY WHAT NEW FACILITIES YOU NEED TO MEET THE GROWING NEEDS OF THE GENERAL AVIATION INDUSTRY. SO IN THAT WAY, IT DOES KIND OF SERVE SOME PURPOSES OF A BUSINESS PLAN BECAUSE WE WANT AND CERTAINLY THE COMMUNITY WANTS THE AIRPORT TO BE AS FINANCIALLY SUCCESSFUL AS POSSIBLE. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HELP PLAN THIS FACILITY SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE AND DEVELOP AND GROW YOUR REVENUE BASES. AND THAT'S PART OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL MORE OR LESS THAT A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION WILL COME IN THAT THIRD PHASE, WHEN WE HAVE THE FINANCIAL CONSULTANT ON BOARD TO HELP, YOU KNOW, PROCESS OR COME UP WITH YOUR PROJECTED REVENUES AND EXPENSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT BUT YES, CERTAINLY TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, OUR OUR GOAL HERE IS TO GET THIS AIRPORT SET UP TO BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS POSSIBLE IN THE FUTURE, BOTH IN TERMS OF ITS OPERATION, BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF ITS POTENTIAL TO GENERATE NEW REVENUES. YEAH, BECAUSE I'LL SAY, AND MAYBE MR. CITY ATTORNEY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COMES BACK WHEN IT'S READY AT A, AT A, IN A LEGAL SETTING, CLOSED SESSION. BUT I'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT BUSINESS STRATEGIES. RIGHT. WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, SHOWING TOO MUCH OF THE DETAILS. BUT MORE BROADLY, I THINK IF YOU'RE IN THIS NORTH TEXAS AREA, DENTON, LEWISVILLE, ETC, THE PROSPECT OF DRIVING TO MCKINNEY ON 380 IS TERRIFYING. THAT DOESN'T WORK. LOVE FIELD IS LESS THAN GREAT AS FAR AS TRAFFIC. SO IF WE HAD LIKE A HOPPER THAT GOES FROM DENTON TO MCKINNEY TO WHEREVER YOU WANT TO GO, IF THAT MANIFESTS THERE, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME CREATIVE LOOKS AT THAT AND STRATEGIES AROUND THAT. AND ONCE THAT KIND OF MATURES, THEN THE OTHER THING I'LL TALK ABOUT IS I'D LIKE TO SEE ONCE WE GET THERE. AS YOU, YOU IDENTIFY THE NEEDS. BUT I NEED TO UNDERSTAND BASED ON AND MAYBE IT'S A CHART THIS KIND OF SIDE BY SIDE THAT ALIGNS WITH THE GOALS. RIGHT. SO HERE WHAT YOU THEN ASK US WHAT ARE OUR GOALS. YOU'D ASK YOUR BOARD WHAT IS YOUR GOAL. AND THEN HERE'S THE NEEDS TO FILL THOSE. BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, I DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL READING ABOUT MCKINNEY THAT THEY NEEDED A DEICING. WHATEVER. I DON'T WANT

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TO TERM IT. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO THOSE ARE THINGS I DIDN'T KNOW. SO THAT THOSE NEEDS LIKE, HEY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THESE THINGS, YOU NEED THESE THINGS. IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THAT, THEN, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF MAKE A DECISION ON THOSE FACILITY REQUIREMENTS. I SEE THAT AS PART OF YOUR YOUR WHAT YOU'LL DELIVER. BUT I NEED TO KNOW BASED ON WHAT CRITERIA, WHERE WE'RE GOING, THAT SORT OF THING. SURE. SO IF THOSE CAN BE JUST EASILY LAID OUT AND THEN ALSO ALONG THOSE LINES DEVELOPMENT ALTERNATIVES AND, AND KIND OF WHAT OUR PHASING OPTIONS ARE. AND THAT GOES BACK TO THE FINANCIAL COMPONENT. RIGHT. THIS COST $1 MILLION AND CAN BE SPUN UP PRETTY QUICK. AND IT GENERATES $500,000 OR JUST KIND OF WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, I NEED YOU TO I NEED YOUR HELP STEPPING US THROUGH THAT EVALUATION. SURE. AND THEN LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND. WELL, NOT LASTLY, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER BUT BUT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND USE CASE SPECIFICS BASED ON THEIR INSTRUCTION WHERE THEY ARE. I THINK THEY'RE 25 PEOPLE PER COHORT. AND THEN THE US, PARDON ME, THE AIR FORCE CAME IN AND SAID, HEY, HERE'S A CONTRACT. SO WHAT ALONG THAT TRACK CAN WE DO TO, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT, THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING ON THE GROUND NOW, HOW CAN WE PARTNER WITH THEM OR, YOU KNOW, ACCELERATE THAT. AND SO SPECIFICALLY THAT IS A THAT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION FOR US. AND THEN LAST QUESTION DO YOU YOU TOUCH ON PARKING. DO YOU YOU'RE YOU'LL COVER WHAT'S NEEDED. HOW CLOSE IS IT TO BE. WHAT IS YOUR KIND OF ROLE IN THAT PARKING COMPONENT. YEAH. FOR VEHICLE PARKING. THAT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO BE A COMPONENT OF OUR LANDSIDE FACILITIES ANALYSIS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THESE PEAKING CHARACTERISTICS, A LOT OF THAT PLAYS INTO THAT. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE NEW BUSINESSES COMING TO THE AIRPORT OR THE EXISTING BUSINESSES, WE TRY AND GET A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THERE'S CAPACITY CONSTRAINTS AND WHERE WE MIGHT ADD SOME INVENTORY AND NEW CAPACITY FOR VEHICLE PARKING, SO THAT THAT WILL CERTAINLY BE AN ELEMENT OF THIS AS WELL. OKAY. AND DO YOU INCORPORATE BEYOND THE AIRPORT? SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S CERTAINLY THE USERS OF THE AIRPORT, BUT THEN BEYOND THAT IT'S IF THIS IS GOING TO DEVELOP A CERTAIN WAY, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THIS MUCH SPACE. THAT IS IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU COVER IN THAT. YEAH. THE SCOPE OF THIS STUDY REALLY IS WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING OF THE AIRPORT, YOU KNOW, AND THERE WILL BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL OVERVIEW COMPONENT THAT WILL COME IN THE THIRD PHASE, AND THAT WILL HIGHLIGHT SOME POTENTIAL RED FLAG ISSUES FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT. ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY ACT. SO THAT THAT IS AN AREA WHERE SOME OF THAT POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON ON TRAFFIC FLOW AND THINGS LIKE THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED AT A VERY, VERY HIGH LEVEL. BUT TYPICALLY UNDER THE SCOPE OF THIS STUDY, WE DON'T GET INTO OFF AIRPORT TRAFFIC AND PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

RIGHT. GOT IT. SO THEN THAT WOULD BE MY THING FOR CITY STAFF THEN RYAN IS, IS TO KIND OF FILL IN THAT THAT GAP. I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S ALL CONNECTED. RIGHT. IF WE'RE TALKING IT'S OFF AIRPORT, BUT IT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR, IT HAS AN EFFECT. OR WE CAN SAY WE CAN MANAGE THIS DEFICIENCY ON AIRPORT BY LEVERAGING THIS PROPERTY NEARBY, THOSE SORT OF THINGS. SO. SURE.

JUST JUST SO STAFF KNOWS WHERE WHERE I'M LEANING. SO ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH I APPRECIATE

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding an update to the 2023 Bond Program. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

IT. GREAT PRESENTATION. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU GUYS. YES. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM B ID 242471. RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING AN UPDATE TO THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR COUNCIL TREVOR CRANE DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO TODAY I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH AN UPDATE ON OUR 2023 BOND PROJECTS, AS WELL AS SEEK SOME DIRECTION ON SOME POTENTIAL SCOPE ADDITIONS ON A COUPLE OF PROJECTS AT THE END. I ALSO HAVE PARTNERS FROM OUR STAKEHOLDER GROUPS, FIRE AND ANIMAL SERVICES, TO ANSWER ANY OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THOSE AT THE END. SO. SO THIS IS JUST A QUICK PROJECT SUMMARY. NO, IT'S YOU KNOW, A BIG GRAPH. BUT THIS IS OUR FUNDING SCHEDULE OVER THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE BOND PROGRAM. JUST SHOWING WHEN WE'RE PLANNING ON ISSUING THAT DEBT TO DELIVER THOSE PROJECTS. THIS IS A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE. SO OUR PROJECT STATUS, THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS LISTED IN THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM. AS YOU CAN SEE, MOST OF THEM ARE GREEN. SO THAT MEANS THAT EVERYTHING'S WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. SCOPE, SCHEDULE AND BUDGET ARE ALL RIGHT WHERE WE WANT THEM TO BE. YOU DO SEE A YELLOW OVER OAKLAND DRAINAGE AND UPSTREAM DETENTION. THAT'S REALLY JUST A FUNCTION OF WORKING THROUGH SOME RIGHT OF WAY, WORKING WITH THE LANDOWNERS OUT THERE JUST TO DEVELOP WHAT THAT SCOPE LOOKS LIKE. DON'T FORESEE ANY PROBLEMS THERE. AND THEN YOU'LL ALSO SEE

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SOME YELLOW ON SCOPE AND BUDGET FOR OUR FIRE STATIONS FIVE AND SIX, AND THEN OUR LINDA MCNATT ANIMAL CARE AND ADOPTION CENTER. AND THOSE ARE THE TWO PROJECTS WE'LL BE SEEKING SOME DIRECTION ON AT THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION. SO NOW WE'LL MOVE INTO JUST SOME QUICK UPDATES ON THE PROJECTS. SO MINGO RUDDELL QUIET ZONE, THE BOND APPROVED SCOPE WAS A LITTLE OVER $45 MILLION. THIS IS THE RUDDELL STREET IMPROVEMENTS, RUDDELL STREET EXTENSION. OUR QUIET ZONES, AND THEN THE UPPER OR THE MINGO ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ARE. THIS PROJECT INCLUDES WIDENING, STREET LIGHTING, BIKE PED FACILITIES, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN SOME RAILROAD WORK. CURRENT STATUS. WE HAVE OUR DESIGN CONSULTANT CONSULTANT ON BOARD KIMLEY-HORN.

WE HAVE OUR SEYMOUR ON BOARD. THAT WOULD BE SUNDT CONSTRUCTION. WE'RE CURRENTLY MOVING TOWARDS 30% DESIGN WORKING THROUGH OUR UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD COORDINATION.

AND THEN WE'VE DONE OUR FIRST SIDEWALKS ON THIS PROJECT, ANTICIPATE PROJECT DESIGN COMPLETION IN QUARTER THREE OF 2026 AND A CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATED TIMELINE OF 24 MONTHS.

NEXT UP IS NEIGHBORHOOD FIVE B AND OAKLAND DRAINAGE. SO THIS IS FULL DEPTH RECONSTRUCTION OF 17 STREET SEGMENTS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. FIVE D PROJECT, WHICH IS A 2019 BOND PROJECT.

AND THEN THE OAKLAND DRAINAGE PROJECT IS INSTALLING A LARGE RETENTION POND. AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT REPLACING SOME AGING WATER AND SANITARY SOME STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, SOME SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN STREET LIGHTING. SO WE'VE WE'VE COMBINED THE FIVE D PROJECT, WHICH IS 2019 BOND WITH THE OAKLAND DRAINAGE PROJECT, WHICH IS A 2023 BOND. AND WE'LL BE DELIVERING THOSE TOGETHER AS ONE PROJECT. WE HAVE A DESIGN CONSULTANT ON BOARD, WHICH IS WESTWOOD. YOU'LL SEE THE SMART CONTRACT COME TO COUNCIL TONIGHT. WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 10% DRAINAGE SCHEMATIC AND WORKING THROUGH THAT PROPERTY OWNER COORDINATION THAT I SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER. PROJECT DESIGN COMPLETION ANTICIPATED FOR QUARTER FOUR OF 2025, AND THEN A TWO YEAR CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATED TIMELINE. FOR CONCRETE FOR PHASES THREE AND FOUR. SO A LITTLE OVER $26 MILLION. THIS INCLUDES ABOUT 2700 LINEAR FEET OF REINFORCED CONCRETE BOX, 2300 LINEAR FEET OF WATER LINE RELOCATION AND 1700 FEET OF SANITARY SEWER LINE RELOCATION ADJUSTMENT ADJUSTMENT, ALONG WITH PAVEMENT REPAIR ALONG WEST PRAIRIE AND NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF WEST MULBERRY AND BERNARD STREET. CURRENT STATUS. WE HAVE OUR DESIGN CONSULTANT ON BOARD, FREESE AND NICHOLS. THIS WILL BE A COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSAL, SO WE'LL BRING OUR CONTRACTOR ON ONCE WE GET TO 100% DESIGN. WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH EASEMENT ACQUISITIONS. WE HAVE 54 PARCELS OF EASEMENT THAT WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH. AND THEN OUR FRANCHISE UTILITY RELOCATION IS UNDERWAY. PROJECT DESIGN COMPLETION ANTICIPATE IN QUARTER TWO OF 2025. AND THIS IS AN ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE OF 30 MONTHS. SO THIS IS THE INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND THAT'S BEING DELIVERED BY OUR PARTNERS OVER IN PARKS. BOND APPROVED SCOPE IS 3.45 MILLION. THIS WILL PROVIDE EQUAL ACCESS TO PLAY FOR ALL ABILITIES, SUPPORT, PHYSICAL AND COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT, SOCIAL INTEGRATION, FAMILY ENGAGEMENT, AND COMMUNITY AWARENESS AND ACCEPTANCE. CURRENT STATUS ON THIS PROJECT THEY'RE PLANNING. THEY'RE DOING PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THROUGH THE SUMMER OF 2024 THAT WAS COMPLETED. CONSTRUCTION IS ANTICIPATED TO BEGIN IN QUARTER FOUR OF 2025, WITH AN ESTIMATED GRAND OPENING SUMMER OF 2026.

DESIGN WORK WAS PREVIOUSLY PAID FROM OPERATING FUNDS IN AUGUST OF 2024, APPLIED FOR A TPWD GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $750,000, WITH A NOTIFICATION ANTICIPATED IN MARCH OF 2025 AS TO WHETHER THEY RECEIVE THAT FUNDING. SEEKING MASTER PLAN APPROVAL IN QUARTER ONE OF 2025.

CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATED TO START IN Q4 OF 2025. AND THEN IF THAT GRANT IS AUTHORIZED, THAT COULD CAUSE A SLIGHT DELAY IN PHASE TWO, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT FUNDING. TRAIL. DEVELOPMENT. $15 MILLION WAS APPROVED IN THE BOND. SO THIS IS THE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT OF VARIOUS TYPES OF TRAILS, BUT NOT LIMITED TO OUR MOUNTAIN BIKES, HARD SURFACE, NATURAL MOTORIZED CURRENT STATUS. THEY'VE COMPLETED JONES PARK CONSTRUCTION OF DENIA PARK, BIDDING THE VILLAGES OF CARMEL GOING THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS ON BOWLING GREEN.

MULTIPLE ARE IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW. BRIARCLIFFE HILLS OF DENTON AND PECAN CREEK. AND THEN IN THE FUTURE THEY'LL WORK THROUGH NORTH LAKES, MACK PARK AND CLEAR CREEK. MOVING ON TO OUR AQUATICS. THIS IS OUR WATERWORKS PARK IMPROVEMENTS. SO THE BOND APPROVED SCOPE WAS $15 MILLION.

THAT INCLUDED A NEW OUTDOOR LAP POOL, A NEW, LARGER CHILDREN'S PLAY STRUCTURE, A CONSTRUCTING

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OF MULTI-PURPOSE ROOMS, AND THEN ADDING SHADE STRUCTURES. CURRENT STATUS. WE HAVE OUR DESIGN CONSULTANT, WHICH IS PARK HILL. OUR CMAR IS HILL AND WILKINSON, CURRENTLY AT 50% ARE MOVING TOWARDS 50%. SCHEMATIC DESIGN. DOING OUR SURVEY, OUR SURVEY AND OUR GEOTECHNICAL SURVEY IS CURRENTLY ONGOING. ANTICIPATED DESIGN COMPLETION IS QUARTER THREE 2025 AND AN ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE OF TEN MONTHS. AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS. WE HAD $15 MILLION APPROVED THROUGH THE BOND. THIS ITEM FUNDS PLANNING, DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, RENOVATION, LAND ACQUISITION, LOANS, GRANTS AND PROGRAMS TO SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR LOW AND MODERATE INCOME FAMILIES. PROGRESS TO DATE RECEIVED CITY COUNCIL DIRECTION ON THE BOND PROGRAM ACTIVITIES AND THEN PLAN FOR 2025. THE ADOPTION OF A 380 POLICY TO SUPPORT USE OF BOND FUNDED INITIATIVES. ESTABLISHMENT OF THE HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION TO FACILITATE FUNDING SOLUTIONS. PROPOSAL FOR A HOUSING OPPORTUNITY FUND TO INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS. PROPOSAL FOR A SMALL DEVELOPER FUND TO SUPPORT LOCAL HOUSING DEVELOPERS, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST TO PRESERVE LAND AND LONG TERM AFFORDABILITY. SO THESE NEXT COUPLE ARE SOME PROJECTS THAT WE'LL BE SEEKING DIRECTION ON.

I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL THE SLIDES, AND THEN WE HAVE A SLIDE AT THE END WHERE WE CAN TAKE COMMENTS AND WORK THROUGH QUESTIONS. FIRST ONE IS OUR LINDA MCNATT ANIMAL CARE AND ADOPTION CENTER. SO THE BOND APPROVED SCOPE WAS ABOUT A LITTLE OVER, WELL, ALMOST $16 MILLION, 15.85 MILLION. WE WANTED TO EXPAND THE SHELTER CAPACITY REPLACED, REPLACE THE HEATING AND AIR SYSTEMS, RELOCATE OUR VETERINARY SERVICES, RELOCATE EXERCISE YARDS, AND THEN A SEPARATION OF HEALTHY AND ISOLATION AREAS. CURRENT STATUS OF THIS PROJECT WE HAVE OUR DESIGN CONSULTANT, WHICH IS QUORUM ARCHITECTURE, OUR CMAR OR STEEL AND FREEMAN.

OUR 100% SCHEMATIC DESIGN IS UNDERWAY AND CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH OUR SURVEY AND OUR GEOTECHNICAL SURVEY AS WELL. ANTICIPATED DESIGN COMPLETION IS QUARTER THREE OF 2025, WITH AN ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE OF 24 MONTHS. SO THIS IS OPTION ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER. OPTION ONE IS TO BRING THIS PROJECT BACK INTO THE ORIGINAL 2023 BOND PROGRAM BUDGET BY DECREASING THE RENOVATION TO A FEW KEY AREAS. ADDITION OF THE A ON AIR SYSTEM, AND THEN ADD ADDITIONAL CAPACITY IF THE BUDGET ALLOWS, THE ESTIMATED COST WOULD BE $13.8 MILLION. TO DO THAT, OUR CURRENT CONSTRUCTION BUDGET IS 13.8 MILLION, AND SO THAT WOULD BE NO MONEY NEEDED. AND SO THAT WOULD BE BRINGING THE SCOPE BACK INTO TO FIT THE BUDGET. SO THIS IS OPTION TWO. SO A LOT OF STUFF HERE. AND LIKE I SAID I HAVE I HAVE NICKI HERE TO TALK THROUGH SOME OF THESE THINGS. IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. BUT OPTION TWO WOULD BE A NEW ADDITION OF A LITTLE OVER 10,000FT■!S. THIS WOULD MAKE ALL ADOPTABLE AND STRAY DOGS VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, PROVIDE DEDICATED SPACE FOR PUBLIC VISITATIONS WITH THE ANIMALS, ACHIEVES THE SEPARATION OF SPECIES THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, INCLUDING DEDICATED HOUSING FOR EXOTICS AND SEPARATION OF HEALTHY VERSUS SICK POPULATION. THIS WOULD ADDRESS THE DISEASE TRANSMISSION WITH NEW HVAC SYSTEM. SO WE WOULD GO TO THAT 100% OUTSIDE AIR EXCHANGE. THIS WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SPORTS SPACES, SUPPORT SPACES TO MEET ANIMAL CARE, AND THEN ADDITIONAL SPACES TO MEET THE PROGRAMMATIC NEEDS. THEN WE WOULD ALSO DO A RENOVATION OF THE CURRENT 18,000FT■!S. THIS WOULD ADD A CAPACITY TO A SURGERY INCLUDE A NEW LARGER VETERINARY SUITE, ISOLATION OF STRAY OUTDOOR AREAS, SEPARATION OF HEALTH AND ISOLATION AREAS AND ALLOW FOR THAT SEPARATION OF SPECIES. ADDITION OF SOME DEDICATED SPACES TO MEET PROGRAMMATIC AND ANIMAL CARE NEEDS. ADDITION OF SOME OFFICE SPACE. PROVIDE SEPARATE FLEX HOLDING AREAS TO MEET OPERATIONAL NEEDS. A DEDICATED YARD SPACE FOR SICK VERSUS HEALTHY ANIMALS, SO THIS WOULD BE A PHASED CONSTRUCTION OF 18 MONTHS. ESTIMATED COST FOR THIS OPTION IS $18.3 MILLION. OUR CURRENT BUDGET IS 13.8, SO THAT WOULD LEAVE A BUDGET DEFICIT OF $4.5 MILLION. FIRE STATION FIVE. SO OUR BOND APPROVED SCOPE WAS $12.6 MILLION. IT WAS A 10,500 SQUARE FOOT STATION WITH THREE APPARATUS BAYS. A POINT TO NOTE IS THAT WE DID NOT CONSIDER TEMPORARY HOUSING, OR THE COST FOR TEMPORARY HOUSING OF THE FIREFIGHTERS DURING CONSTRUCTION. CURRENT STATUS. WE HAVE MARK MARTINEZ ARCHITECTS ON BOARD FOR CONSTRUCTION. AS OUR SEYMOUR. WE'RE AT 90%. CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ANTICIPATED COMPLETION OF DESIGN IN QUARTER ONE OF 2025, WITH AN ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION OF 14 MONTHS. SO OPTION ONE FOR FIRE STATION FIVE WOULD AGAIN TO BRING THE PROJECT BACK WITHIN THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM BUDGET.

ESTIMATED COST IS $10.5 MILLION. SO THIS IS JUST BRINGING THAT SCOPE BACK TO MEET THE BUDGET.

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FIRE STATION FIVE SCOPE CHANGES. SO THESE THIS INCORPORATES AN ADDITION OF A FOURTH BAY TO ACCOMMODATE THE SWIFT WATER RESCUE TEAM, SWIFT WATER RESCUE BOAT AND ASSOCIATED GEAR. THE MAJORITY OF CALLS FOR SWIFT WATER RESCUE COME IN TO STATION FIVE SERVICE AREA ADDITION OF TWO ADDITIONAL DORMS FOR FUTURE GROWTH. ANTICIPATED ADDITION OF SQUAD COMPANY TO RESPOND TO LOWER PRIORITY CALLS. ADDITION OF AN OFFICER SUITE AS WELL. MECHANICAL. ELECTRICAL. PLUMBING INCREASES DUE TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE INCREASE. ADDITION OF A SMALL POLICE OFFICER OFFICE.

OFFICE, OFFICER OFFICE, TEMPORARY LIVING QUARTERS AND SHELTER FOR THE THREE APPARATUSES. ESTIMATED COST FOR THIS IS $13.5 MILLION, SO THIS OPTION WOULD LEAVE US WITH A BUDGET DEFICIT OF $3 MILLION. FIRE STATION SIX SAME SAME THING. BOND APPROVED SCOPE WAS $12.6 MILLION. A 10,500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, THREE APPARATUS BAYS, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE BUILT ON A NEW SITE. SO WE DON'T HAVE THE RELOCATION OR TEMPORARY HOUSING COST FOR THIS ONE.

CURRENT SITE STATUS. MARTINEZ ARCHITECTS IS OUR DESIGN CONSULTANT. OUR SEYMOUR'S CORE CONSTRUCTION. WE'RE AT 90%. CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ANTICIPATED DESIGN COMPLETION QUARTER ONE OF 2025, WITH A 14 MONTH CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE. SO OPTION ONE WOULD BE TO BRING THE PROJECT BACK INTO BUDGET. SO A BUDGET DEFICIT OF $0 $0 MILLION. SO JUST BRINGING IT BACK. FIRE STATION SIX, OPTION NUMBER TWO. SO THIS IS AN ADDITION OF TWO DORMS FOR FUTURE GROWTH. THE MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL PLUMBING INCREASES DUE TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE INCREASE. ADDITION OF A SMALL POLICE OFFICE FOR OFFICERS TO HAVE WORKING SPACE. THE COST OF THIS OPTION IS $11.6 MILLION.

SO THIS WOULD LEAVE US A BUDGET DEFICIT OF $1.1 MILLION. SO OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THE APPROVAL OF THE SCOPE INCREASES FOR FIRE STATION FIVE, FIRE STATION SIX, AND THE ADDENDUM, ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR LINDA MCNATT ANIMAL SERVICES. THAT'S OPTION TWO FOR ALL OF THOSE, WE WOULD REALLOCATE $8.6 MILLION THAT IS CURRENTLY BUDGETED FOR BONNIE BRAE PHASE FIVE. WE WOULD USE EXISTING PROJECT FUNDING TO PROVIDE A MILL AND OVERLAY AND BASE REPAIRS TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF EVERY PHASE FIVE SECTION EXTEND ABOUT 7 TO 10 YEARS, WE ANTICIPATE, AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE THE BUDGET FOR BONNIE BRAE FIVE INTO THE CIP FOR FISCAL YEAR 2033 AND 2035. SOMETHING WE WANTED TO NOTE HERE IS CURRENTLY WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK GOING ON ON BONNIE BRAE. WE WEREN'T PLANNING ON DOING BONNIE BRAE PHASE 4 OR 5 UNTIL WE COMPLETED BONNIE BRAE PHASE THREE AND BONNIE BRAE PHASE SIX. YOU'LL SEE THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR BONNIE BRAE PHASE SIX COMING TONIGHT TO COUNCIL. THAT IS A TWO AND A HALF YEAR CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE, SO WE WOULD NOT BE READY TO BUILD BONNIE BRAE 4 OR 5, AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT 2 TO 3 YEARS. DOING THIS RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE NO INCREASE TO THE TAX TAX RATE AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO. NO ADDITIONAL DEBT ISSUANCE. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE THERE. AND LIKE I SAID, I DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM FIRE AND ANIMAL SERVICES TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS FOR THE SCOPE INCREASES. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. I PROBABLY SHOULD ALREADY KNOW THIS, BUT CAN YOU JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND? ARE THE OPTION TWO ITEMS ITEMS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY SCOPED IN BUT WERE JUST FOUND NOT TO BE ABLE TO BE DOABLE WITHIN THE WITHIN THE APPROVED BUDGETS? OR ARE THEY SORT OF OTHER THINGS WE ALSO THOUGHT WOULD BE GOOD? SURE. SO TWO DIFFERENT ANSWERS TO THAT. AS FAR AS THE LINDA MCNATT ANIMAL SERVICES THEN? YES, THOSE WERE THOSE WERE THINGS THAT WERE ALREADY APPROVED AS PART OF THE BOND. ONCE WE GOT A CONSULTANT ON BOARD AND STARTED WORKING THROUGH WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND THE COST FOR THAT, THAT'S WHERE THESE ADDITIONAL COSTS CAME IN. FIRE STATION FIVE AND SIX. THIS IS THE MAJORITY OF THESE CHANGE SCOPE CHANGES ARE FOR THE ADDITION OF THAT SWIFT WATER RESCUE AND THEN ADDING SOME SPACE FOR FUTURE GROWTH. BUT BUT WAS THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED.

THEY WERE NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL SCOPE. YES, SIR OKAY I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT SIX. AND WE MIGHT NEED SOME ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE FOR TO ANSWER SOME OF MY QUESTIONS. SO AND COUNCILPERSON MELTZER'S QUESTIONS WERE VERY HELPFUL AS WELL. SO THE LINDA MCNATT ANIMAL CARE AND ADOPTION CENTER, ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE SCOPED OUT WERE WHERE DID WE WHERE DID WE GO WRONG ON SOME OF THE PROJECTIONS? YOU KNOW, I JUST WE GO TO THE CITIZENS AND SAY, COMMIT TO THIS. HERE'S WHAT WE CAN DO. AND YES, MA'AM. SO I

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THINK KIND OF AN OVERARCHING THING THAT REALLY APPLIED TO EVERYTHING WAS WE BROUGHT IN A COST ESTIMATOR TO, TO DO A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS. AND REALLY WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY BASED THOSE COSTS STRICTLY ON A SQUARE FOOTAGE. A LOT OF THESE BUILDINGS HAVE DIFFERENT INTRICACIES, DIFFERENT TYPES OF FACILITIES THAT HAVE TO GO IN THERE. AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, A GOOD LESSON LEARNED IS THAT WE NEED TO BRING IN IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ON THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDINGS TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF EQUIPMENT AND ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE INCORPORATED IN THESE BUILDINGS TO GET A BETTER ESTIMATE OF WHAT ACTUALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN. OKAY. AND THEN I'M UNFAMILIAR WITH HOW MANY SWIFT WATER RESCUES ARE TYPICAL AS FAR AS EXPANDING THAT SCOPE. AND I'LL BE HONEST, I'VE GOT REAL CONCERNS ABOUT TAKING AWAY FROM ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO FUND SOME OF THESE THINGS, BECAUSE CONSISTENTLY THAT IS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST OF CITIZEN CONCERNS. SO, SURE. CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT THERE, ARE THERE TWO A YEAR. ARE THERE ARE THERE 50. YEAH. I'LL GET HIM TO TALK ABOUT SWIFT WATER RESCUE. BUT THANK YOU I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I WILL POINT OUT AGAIN. SO WE STILL PLAN ON DOING BINARY PHASE FIVE. WE'RE JUST GOING TO MOVE IT BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS. SO 5 TO 10 YEARS. AND AS I SAID WE THE PLAN THE WHOLE TIME WAS NOT TO HAVE THE ENTIRE THE ENTIRETY OF BONNIE BRAE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THE SAME TIME. SO IF I IF WE FOLLOW THAT PLAN AND I DON'T START THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT UNTIL BONNIE BRAE PHASE SIX IS DONE, IT WOULD BE 2030 BEFORE WE'RE READY TO DO THAT ANYWAY. AND THEN THE PLAN WOULD BE TO STILL DO SOME ROAD, I MEAN ROAD IMPROVEMENTS FOR BONNIE BRAE FIVE. WE WOULD COME IN, DO A MILL AND OVERLAY AND DO SOME BASE FAILURE REPAIRS AS WELL. SO IT WOULDN'T BE THAT WE WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING. WE WOULD COME IN AND FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, BAND-AID IT UNTIL WE COULD RECONSTRUCT IT. MY CONCERN, TOO, IS THAT WE'RE KICKING THE CAN AS FAR AS PAYING FOR IT VERSUS WHAT WAS DEDICATED TO THAT. NOW WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO SADDLE THAT IN ANOTHER TEN YEARS. SO THAT SAID, YES, MA'AM. THESE ARE THE THINGS GOING ON AS WE LOOK TO GIVE DIRECTION. THANK YOU.

CARTHAGE FIRE CHIEF, ON YOUR QUESTION. SO THE AMOUNT OF TRUE SWIFT WATER CALLS ARE PROBABLY FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. I THINK IT'S THE PREPARATION TO EXPAND THE TEAM. THE TEAM HAS CURRENTLY BEEN LOCATED AT STATION TWO OUT ON EAST MCKINNEY. SO THE CALL VOLUME THERE. AND THE BIG THING WE'VE IDENTIFIED IS THE FACT THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE HAZARDS IN THE CITY ARE KIND OF A 360 DEGREE CIRCLE, IS WHAT, AROUND. AND I'M GOING TO SHOW I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN KIND OF SEE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SEE THIS CHART, ALL THESE BLUE DOTS. WE ACTUALLY THROUGH OUR ACCREDITATION PROCESS AND AS WE COLLECT DATA, WE ACTUALLY HAD INDIVIDUAL AN EMPLOYEE GO AROUND AND IDENTIFY EVERY BODY OF WATER IN THE CITY OF DENTON. THERE'S OVER A THOUSAND BODIES OF WATER.

AND THEY WERE RATED AS LOW RISK, MEDIUM RISK AND HIGH RISK. SO ONCE WE START DIVING IN OUR DATA, WE REALIZED THAT STATION TWO IS THE ABSOLUTE WORST LOCATION. THAT STAGE, THAT SWIFT WATER TEAM. AND IT'S JUST A COLLATERAL DUTY. SO IT'S THE ENGINE CREW AND THE MEDIC CREW.

IF THERE'S A CALL COMES IN, HOPEFULLY THEY'RE IN SERVICE. THEY CAN ACTUALLY HOOK ONTO A BOAT AND THEN DEPLOY AS WELL. YOU KNOW, TIME MEANS EVERYTHING TO US AS WELL. SO BY RELOCATING THEM TO STATION FIVE, WHICH IS AFTER THE BOND, I THINK THAT'S ONE BIG THING. ALSO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS SO WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS SCOPED, WE HAD NO INTENTIONS OF MOVING THE SWIFT WATER TEAM. SO IT DID COME IN AFTER THE FACT. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I OWN THAT MISTAKE AS WELL. AND HONESTLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCOPE IT FIRST STARTED OFF, WE DON'T NEED THE FOURTH BAY BECAUSE THAT'S THE ADDITION OF FOURTH BASE. ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR THE SWIFT WATER TEAM. WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A CANOPY OUT BACK AND STORE TWO DIFFERENT BOATS OUT UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY. BUT THE TOTAL BOATS AND VALUATIONS OVER $100,000 AS WELL. IT'S LIKE, DO WE PUT IN A CANOPY FOR THE NEXT 60 YEARS, OR DO WE JUST GO AHEAD AND SEE IF WE CAN FACTOR INTO THE PROJECT ITSELF AND SCOPE OF BAY, WHICH IF YOU LOOK AT CONSTRUCTION COSTS, TREVOR SHOULD BACK ME UP ON THIS. A BAY IS THE CHEAPEST CONSTRUCTION THERE IS BECAUSE ALL IT IS, IS A LITTLE BIT OF HEAT. THERE'S NO OTHER CLIMATE CONTROL WHATSOEVER. SO THAT WAS THE INCLUSION OF THE SWIFT WATER PIECE AS WELL. NOW THERE'S OTHER SCOPE THINGS AND I KNOW THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS THE SQUAD, BECAUSE I DO HAVE DATA ON THAT. BUT DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YEAH. BUT ARE WE LOOKING AT 100 CALLS A YEAR REGARDING THIS OR. I MEAN, NO, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY 20 TO 25 ACTUAL TRUE CALLS. AND THEN AS YOU BOIL THAT DOWN AND KIND OF DIVE DEEPER, YOU MIGHT ONLY HAVE LIKE 5 OR 6 TRUE RESCUES THAT ARE ACTUALLY DEPLOYED ON. BUT IT'S JUST ANOTHER THING WE'VE HAD HAVE AS FAR AS FOR THE FOR THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, THERE'S VERY FEW SWIFT WATER TEAMS IN ALL OF DENTON COUNTY. SO THAT'S THE THING. SO THE CITY OF DENTON USES ON A REGULAR BASIS AS WELL. SO WE GOT TO KEEP THOSE PEOPLE TRAINED. JUST LIKE ALL OUR DIFFERENT THINGS WE DO. WE'VE NO LONGER A FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE'RE ALL HAZARDOUS DEPARTMENT HAZMAT BOMB, SWIFT WATER. THE ONLY THING WE DO NOT DO IS DIVE SERIOUSLY. SO WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PEOPLE ARE THERE TO BE DEPLOYED. THE OPTIONS TO PUT THEM UNDER THE CANOPY IS STILL ON THE TABLE. WE STILL DO THAT. WE CAN LOWER THE SCOPE, BUT THE GOAL HERE WAS TO EVENTUALLY BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR BOAT HOOKED TO A VEHICLE SO THEY COULD DEPLOY QUICKLY. RIGHT NOW, THE PROCESS IS THEY HAVE TO GO HOOK ONTO THE TRAILER BEFORE THEY CAN ACTUALLY GO TO A CALL,

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AND WE'RE NOT CREATING A NEW GROUP, AS YOU SAID IT WOULD JUST BE. IT'S JUST RELOCATION AND PUT THEM INSIDE THE STATION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS, I APPRECIATE IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. SO. I GUESS I'LL START WITH PROBABLY AN EASIER ONE FIRST. WHEN IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN, WHAT WAS OUR INTENTION FOR TEMPORARY HOUSING FOR FIRE STATION FIVE? IT WAS NOT CONSIDERED AS A PART OF THAT SCOPE. SO WHILE WE'RE REBUILDING IT, WHAT WERE WE GOING TO I ASSUME THE TEMPORARY HOUSING IS THE FIREFIGHTERS NEED TO BE SOMEWHERE. CORRECT. SINCE WE WERE GOING TO STATION THEM AT ANOTHER FIRE STATION, OR HOW WHAT DID WE ENVISION THAT BEING? I DON'T THINK WE DID. THAT'S JUST NOT IN THE PICTURE. AND SO THAT THAT WAS A THAT WAS A MISS OKAY. SO ALL RIGHT I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN. SO I GUESS THE OTHER ONE IS WE, YOU KNOW, WE SORT OF HAVE ONE AND A HALF AND ONE AND A HALF DEFICITS AND THEN A 4.5 MILLION DEFICIT ON, ON THE MCNATT, OH I GUESS IT'S ONE THREE AND FOUR. SORRY I APOLOGIZE. BUT WE HAD ANTICIPATED BUDGETING THAT THAT ROAD WIDENING AND ROAD IMPROVEMENT ON BONNEY BAY, PHASES SIX AND FOUR. I BELIEVE YOU SAID FOUR AND FIVE, FOUR AND FIVE. YES, SIR. BUT THEN IF REALLY, THAT COST WOULD STILL BE THERE FOR FOUR AND FIVE AND THE OVERLAY, THE MILL AND OVERLAY WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL COST IN ORDER TO, TO TIME SHIFT. SO DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR THE TOTAL COST WITH THE MILL AND OVERLAY, PLUS THE ORIGINAL COST FOR THE REPAIR FOR PHASE FIVE? YES. SO I ANTICIPATE THE MILL AND OVERLAY TO BE LESS THAN THE $2 MILLION.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE. AS FAR AS I MEAN, REALLY, THE TRUE COST IS GOING TO BE WHAT INFLATION IS BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN WE BUILD THIS. AND IF I IF I KNEW THAT ANSWER, I WOULD BE MAKING A LOT OF MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE IT'S HARD. YOU KNOW, ESTIMATING IS ESTIMATING. AND SO KNOWING WHAT THAT INFLATION IS GOING TO BE YEAR OVER YEAR IS REALLY JUST A WILD GUESS. BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT 2 MILLION PLUS THE ORIGINAL THE ORIGINAL SCOPE. CORRECT. SO WE'D BE LOOKING AT AT LEAST 10 MILLION, GIVE OR TAKE WHAT HAPPENS IN REALITY. SO THE PROJECT FIVE, FIVE, FIVE IS MORE THAN THAT $8 MILLION THAT THAT WAS JUST THE AMOUNT THAT WAS BUDGETED IN THIS YEAR'S CIP. I DON'T REMEMBER THE ENTIRE PROJECT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, SETH PROBABLY REMEMBERS, BUT I WANT TO SAY IT'S 2020 MILLION ISH, AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE WERE USING TO BUILD THAT. THAT WAS A PART OF THE COUNTY BOND FUNDING.

WE HAVE ALREADY RUN KIND OF THE TRAPS AS FAR AS WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT MONEY. WE CAN REALLOCATE IT TO DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF BONNIE BRAE TO COVER SOME OF THOSE FUNDING GAPS. AND SO THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT. SO THE ORIGINAL COST IS STILL GOING TO BE THERE, WHATEVER THAT PROJECT WAS. AND WE CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION A $2 MILLION, UP TO $2 MILLION FOR THE MILL AND OVERLAY. AND THEN WHATEVER THE CONSTRUCTION INFLATION WOULD BE FROM THREE YEARS FROM NOW, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T BUILD IT TODAY, IT WOULD BE THREE YEARS FROM NOW. TWO 3033 AND I'LL TELL YOU, THE REASON I'M ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS IS, YOU KNOW, FUTURE DOLLARS TEND TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN CURRENT DOLLARS. I MEAN, WE'RE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION NOW, AND IF SO, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DO WE SEE FIRE COSTS GOING UP AT A DIFFERENT RATE THAN STREET COSTS? BECAUSE THAT WILL TELL US WHICH WE NEED TO DO SOONER, I ASSUME, OR IF THAT'S WRONG, REEDUCATE ME IF THAT'S WRONG. AND SO WHICH OF THOSE IS INCREASING IN COST SOONER. AND THAT'S THE ONE WE SHOULD PRIORITIZE. SURE. SO CURRENTLY REALLY OUR HORIZONTAL COSTS HAVE KIND OF LEVELED OUT AFTER COVID. SO WE ARE STILL SEEING INCREASES BUT NOT NEARLY AS MUCH AS WE WERE, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO, I'LL SAY THE VERTICAL COSTS ARE STILL INCREASING FASTER. SO VERTICAL COSTS ON VERTICAL BUILDINGS IS INCREASING FASTER THAN OUR HORIZONTAL COSTS. AND SUGGESTING THAT YOU SHOULD DO THE FIRE STATIONS BEFORE THE ROADS IF YOU USE IF YOU USE THAT AS A FACTOR. YES, SIR. AND WE'RE WE'RE ABSOLUTELY CHIEF GOING TO MOVE THE FIRE STATION, THE SWIFT WATER AWAY FROM TWO THAT THAT IS FOR SURE GOING TO HAPPEN. I MEAN, I KNOW WE SET POLICY, BUT I MEAN IN GENERAL, THAT'S THE PLAN. THEY'RE ALREADY AT STATION FIVE

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RIGHT NOW. SO IT WAS MOVED THIS SUMMER WHEN WE HAD A BIG MOVE WHEN STATION NINE WENT ONLINE AS WELL. THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT MOVE OF THE CAPTAINS THERE OVER THOSE PROGRAMS, BUT ALSO THOSE CAPTAINS. THERE'S A TRANSFER PROCESS. THOSE CAPTAINS HAVE BEEN AT STATION TWO. THEY'VE BEEN AT TWO FOR SEVERAL YEARS. AND OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS THEY'VE BEEN BURNT OUT. SO THEY HAVE PURPOSELY CHOSE VOLUNTARILY TO MOVE TO STATION FIVE. SO THE PROGRAM WENT WITH THOSE CAPTAINS, IF NOT STARTING ALL BACK OVER AGAIN AND BUILD THE PROGRAM BACK UP AGAIN. SO DE FACTO, THEY'RE ALREADY AT FIVE. IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE SUMMER AND THE BOATS ARE IN THE BACKYARD AND CANOPIES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEY'RE THEY'RE WEDGED IN THE BAYS RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE WEDGED IN THE BAYS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT IS THREE BAYS RIGHT NOW. OKAY. I APPRECIATE YOU. CHIEF. TREVOR. WE'RE IF WE DELAY. SO AGAIN, CONNECT SOME OF THE TIMELINE PIECES FOR ME FOR THE BONNIE BRAE. WE ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT SEGMENTS AND WE'RE TRYING TO ALIGN ALL OUR SEGMENTS TO A SIMILAR STANDARD. PLUS WE HAVE SOME SIDE STREETS LIKE RYAN AND SCHOOLS THAT ARE GOING IN ALONG THAT. IF WE KICK THE CAN, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT SOME OF THE TIMINGS AND THE STREET WIDTHS AND THE DESIGN SPECIFICATIONS FOR BOTH BONNIE BRAE AND THE SIDE STREETS OFF OF BONNIE BRAE? SURE. SO BONNIE BRAE PHASE THREE THAT IS FROM ROSELAWN TO 35 IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S THE ONE RIGHT BY UNT STADIUM. I THINK WE GOT ABOUT ANOTHER TWO YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION THERE. BONNIE BRAE PHASE SIX CONTRACTS COMING TONIGHT. THAT'S A TWO AND A HALF YEAR CONSTRUCTION THAT IS FROM 380 UP TO ELM AND LOCUST, AND THAT INCLUDES THE WEST GATE RANCH ROAD KIND OF ALL THAT AREA RIGHT THERE. THAT'S TWO AND A HALF YEARS. THE PLAN CURRENTLY IS TO NOT DO FOUR B AND FIVE. SO THAT'S THE SECTION FROM 35 NORTH UP TO 380. UNTIL BOTH OF THOSE SECTIONS ARE COMPLETED, WE DON'T WANT TO. WE'VE GOT I-35 UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH TXDOT RIGHT NOW. WE DIDN'T WANT TO SHUT DOWN ALL OF BONNIE BRAE CURRENTLY.

RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS KIND OF THE SEGMENT OF THE ROADWAY, FOUR B WOULD PROBABLY STILL MOVE FORWARD. FIVE IS THE LEAST, I'M GOING TO SAY THE LEAST. I'M NOT THE LEAST TRAVELED, BUT REALLY THE BEST SECTION THAT WE HAVE AT BONNIE BRAE PHASE FIVE RIGHT NOW. WE WOULDN'T BE MAKING A SUGGESTION IF I IF I DIDN'T THINK THAT THE ROADWAY COULD SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS. AND THAT'S WHY WE FEEL LIKE JUST DOING THE MILAN OVERLAY, ADDRESSING ANY SPOTS THAT ARE HAVE BASE FAILURES IS REALLY A GOOD OPTION TO KIND OF GET US TO THAT NEXT FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS. ALL RIGHT. BUT THAT WON'T DELAY SIX AND RAINY. NO, SIR.

OKAY. I NEED TO DO SOME THINKING, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW, MR. MAYOR. ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SO THEN LOOKING FOR DIRECTION.

REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. I DO HAVE A SMALL QUESTION. IF YOU DON'T MIND. IF YOU CAN JUST NOD YOUR HEAD TO GET UP IF YOU DON'T NEED TO. SORRY. YOU CAN JUST NOD YOUR HEAD. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET UP IF YOU DON'T NEED TO. I GUESS I WAS UNAWARE THAT THE SWIFT FOR OUR TEAM HAD ALREADY MOVED, SO I WAS GOING TO ASK IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE ANY VACATED SPACE AT TWO, BUT SINCE THEY'VE ALREADY MOVED, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE PROBABLY ALREADY MADE USE OF THAT, CORRECT? SORRY TO MAKE YOU GET UP A THIRD TIME. NO WORRIES. SO THAT'S THAT'S ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD POINT. SO ONE THING ALSO STATION TWO DID VACATE ONE BAY. AND WITH THE WATER TEAM THAT IS GOING TO BE FILLED UP IN MAY. SO THERE WAS AN ORDER PLACED A YEAR AND A HALF TWO YEARS AGO FOR A PUBLIC SAFETY COMMAND VEHICLE THAT WILL BE COMPLETED IN MAY OF 2025. WE DO NOT HAVE A LOCATION TO PUT IT SO THAT STATION TWO HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED TO PLACE IT THERE. SO I'M NOT GOING TO PLACE A $2 MILLION VEHICLE PARKED OUTSIDE, SO THAT STATION WILL BE FILLED BACK UP ONCE AGAIN. PUBLIC SAFETY COMMAND VEHICLE, SUV. SO THAT IS IT'S A CUSTOM TRUCK THAT IS LIKE A MOBILE EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER.

OKAY. WITH SO SINCE YOU'VE MOVED THE TEAM THAT DID THE SWIFT WATER RESCUE TEAM ALSO EXPAND AND NUMBER OF AND NUMBER OF FOLKS ON IT, OR IS IT JUST THE SAME TEAM JUST MOVED SAME SIZE IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF PEOPLE THE MEMBERS MOVED? THE THING IS, IT'S JUST NOT THE MEMBERS THERE.

WE HAVE MEMBERS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT ACROSS THE DIFFERENT STATIONS AS WELL.

SO WHEN AN EVENT COMES IN, THE PRIMARY TEAM FROM THAT STATION TAKES THE EQUIPMENT AND THEN OTHERS RESPOND. SO WE DON'T JUST SEND A SINGLE UNIT OF SWIFT WATER. USUALLY IT'S A THAT ENGINE, THAT MEDIC AND THEN SEVERAL OTHER VEHICLES ALSO. OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE YOU GOOD FOR DIRECTION SEEKING DIRECTION FOR STAFF? YES. OKAY. TREVOR I'M GOOD WITH OPTION TWO FOR FIVE

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AND SIX WITH RESPECT TO THE TO THE SHELTER. I'M. GIVEN THAT WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE SHELTER IN THE RECENT PAST. I THINK MY PREFERENCE MIGHT BE TO DELAY THIS CONVERSATION UNTIL WE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT CHANGES WE'RE GOING TO MAKE AT THE SHELTER. FIRST, BECAUSE MY LAYMAN'S THOUGHT PROCESS IS PERHAPS SOMETIMES A BIGGER SHELTER, BIGGER PROBLEMS. AND I KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO RUN INTO THAT. SO I GUESS MY DIRECTION MIGHT BE ON WITH RESPECT TO THE SHELTER, UNLESS I HEAR SOMETHING DIFFERENT, TO JUST WITHHOLD DIRECTION UNTIL WE CAN HAVE A LARGER DISCUSSION. BUT I'M YEAH, I JUST SARAH SARAH HENSLEY, CITY MANAGER I DON'T EVER GET TO SAY THAT. ARE YOU NEW? I'M NEW TO ME. THE ELEPHANT. YEAH, I WANT TO. OH, YES. WHAT TREVOR DIDN'T MENTION, THOUGH, IS IF YOU DELAY IT, THEN IT'S GOING TO COST US MORE. I MEAN, IT WILL COST US MORE. AND JUST FROM LOOKING AT PRACTICALITIES, YOU'RE GOING TO GET AN AUDIT REPORT, THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY. YOU'RE GOING TO GET A FOLLOW UP REPORT FROM US AFTER THE AUDIT, SAME NIGHT, TALKING ABOUT ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS. AND THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. THIS IS NOT ADDING A LOT OF SPACE FOR ANIMALS PER SE. IT'S DOING SOME THINGS THAT ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE DONE THAT I WOULD SAY GOES MORE IN LINE WITH SEPARATING ANIMALS OUT, BEING SICK. AND THE ONES LIKE FOR ANIMALS COMING IN, YOU CAN'T DETERMINE RIGHT AWAY WHETHER AN ANIMAL HAS A DISEASE OR OTHER THINGS. SO SEPARATING THEM OUT. SO YOU PUT THE ANIMALS THAT MAY HAVE NEED SHOTS, OTHER THINGS, TESTING BEFORE YOU PUT THEM IN WITH THE OTHER ANIMALS.

AND I'VE SEEN THAT TURN REALLY BAD WHEN WE DON'T DO THAT. AIR QUALITY OF COURSE, HAS TO BE DONE. AND THE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM WAS NEVER DONE PROPERLY IN THE FIRST BUILDING.

ABSOLUTELY AGREE ON THAT ONE. THE VETERINARIAN SUITE IS ALL BASED ON THE REPORT WE RECEIVED ABOUT. IT'S TIME FOR US TO LOOK AT PERMANENT VETERINARIANS, VET TECHS ON SITE AND NOT CONTRACTING BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU HEARD. AND THEN THE OTHER AREAS IS, IS VISIBLE ANIMALS. SO PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND SEE AND HAVE A SPACE TO PLAY WITH THE ANIMAL, GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE ANIMAL. THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS TO BE A BETTER SHELTER RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE TO SIT OVER IN THE AREA, IN THE KENNEL AREA OR IN THE LOBBY AREA TO GET TO KNOW AN ANIMAL, AND THIS SETS ASIDE AN AREA FOR THEM, BUT IT ALSO GIVES MORE VISIBILITY TO ANIMALS SO THAT THERE'S EASIER OPPORTUNITY FOR ADOPTING. AND THEN IT'S JUST BASICALLY THAT'S IT. IT'S JUST SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL HELP WITH THE OPERATION OF THE SHELTER AND SEPARATING HEALTHY AND POSSIBLY ILL ANIMALS. AND THEN THE AIR QUALITY, OF COURSE, HAS TO BE DONE. AND THEN THE VETERINARIAN SERVICES AND I WOULD I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND JUST COMING FROM ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE HAD OUR OWN VETERINARIANS. THAT'S THE WAY TO GO, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET ON SITE CRITICAL CARE VERSUS SOMEONE THAT'S COMING IN ON A DIFFERENT TIME BASIS, AND THEN THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WILL USE THE X-RAY MACHINE, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE, AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WILL REDUCE THE TIME AN ANIMAL IS SITTING IN A CAGE, INJURED, AND THEN THEY DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THE ANIMAL GOES TO THE EMERGENCY VETERINARIAN CLINIC, WHICH WE USE. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS AND OPTION TWO ARE ISSUES THAT WE FOUND IN THAT 2018 AND THE NEW REPORT AND THE AUDIT. SO YOU'RE ALREADY YOU'RE YOU'RE TAKING FORWARD THINKING STEPS TO GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THOSE WITHIN THIS NOW. EXACTLY.

AND THOSE WERE PARTS OF IT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IN WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN. BUT THE COST CAME TO BE HIGHER THAN WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED. AND PART OF THAT WAS POOR, NOT STAFF, NOT HERE, POOR. OR I GUESS POOR. GIVING US THE NUMBERS. IT WASN'T ACCURATE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING TO TRY TO IMPROVE ON THAT IS IN THE FUTURE, WHEN WE'RE BUILDING OR WE'RE ADDING ON TO A BUILDING WHERE THERE IS NO EXPERTISE IN THE CITY'S STAFFING, LIKE ANIMAL SERVICES TO AN EXTENT, IS TO SPEND THE EXTRA LITTLE MONEY TO HIRE SOMEONE WHO'S WORKED OUTSIDE THAT ROLE AS A CONSULTANT OR SOMEONE ELSE WHO'S HELPED BUILD THOSE FACILITIES, AND CAN GIVE US AN ACCURATE ASSESSMENT OF WHAT TRUE COST WILL BE, BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING IN THIS SITUATION. I WOULD SAY THERE'S NOT ONE THING IN HERE THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO HAVE, AND ACTUALLY IT IS NOT ADDING A BUNCH OF SPACE ON FOR JUST ANIMAL CAGES.

IT'S ADDING THE EXTRA THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED TO OFFER A GOOD QUALITY ANIMAL SERVICES FACILITY. AND I GET IT. IT'S $4.5 MILLION. BUT I WILL SAY THIS AND I WAS GOING TO TELL TREVOR TO MENTION IT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD IT. PEOPLE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF BONNIE BRAE BEING TORN UP. AND THIS WAS A SOLUTION THAT TREVOR AND THE STAFF CAME UP WITH. THAT STILL GETS THE WORK DONE, BUT DELAYS EXTRA WORK. AND IT'S FROM THE ROUNDABOUT BY PRESBY TO

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THREE TO UNIVERSITY. BASICALLY EVERYBODY CALLS IT 380, WHICH I ALWAYS GET CONFUSED ABOUT. A MILL AND OVERLAY, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, IS VERY IS A VERY CLEAN LOOKS BRAND NEW. IT'S MILLING IT AND THEN IT OVERLAYS IT. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN COMPLETELY RESURFACED AND IT'LL COME LATER AS A PART OF OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A DECISION YOU HAVE TO MAKE, BUT I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO APPROVE THE EXTRA EXPENSES FOR ANIMAL SERVICES, BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU THIS, WHEN YOU DO DECIDE YOU WANT TO DO IT AND COME BACK TO DO IT, IT'LL COST YOU FOUR TIMES AT LEAST FOUR TIMES AS MUCH. CAN I KEEP GOING? YEAH, EITHER ONE. YOU CAN STAY THERE. THE ONE THING I DIDN'T I DIDN'T SEE DURING THE KIND OF IN THIS LIST I'M ASSUMING WE TALKED ABOUT MORE THAT OFFICE SPACE OR PROGRAMMATIC NEEDS IMPROVING THE VOLUNTEER EXPERIENCE. I ASSUME WE CAN CAPTURE SOME OF THAT. WITHIN THAT WILL ALL BE IN TWO.

COME ON, NIKKI, THAT'LL ALL BE A PART OF THIS BECAUSE THE FOSTER AND ADOPT AREAS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SETTING UP THESE AREAS SO PEOPLE CAN HAVE AN INTIMATE EXPERIENCE WITH THE ANIMALS. YOU LIKE THAT? NIKKI, DIRECTOR OF ANIMAL SERVICES. LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND IT ON HERE FOR YOU. SO IN THIS AREA, PART OF THE RENOVATION IS CREATING THOSE SUPPORT SPACES, THOSE PROGRAMMATIC SUPPORT SPACES. RIGHT NOW, WE DO NOT HAVE A SPACE FOR VOLUNTEERS. IT'S A LITTLE COUNTER SPACE WHERE THEY CAN CHECK IN AND OUT. BUT IF YOU COME IN AND YOU HAVE YOUR CAR KEYS OR YOUR PURSE OR A WATER BOTTLE, THERE'S REALLY NO SPACE FOR ANYONE TO PUT IT DOWN AT. SO WE WILL BE CREATING A SEPARATE VOLUNTEER SPACE. WE SAW THIS EXAMPLE OVER AT GRAPEVINE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE SHELTERS THAT WE VISITED THAT WAS RECENTLY BUILT.

THAT IS KIND OF A MODEL SHELTER, AND IT WILL HAVE A CHECK IN SPACE AND, AND LITTLE LOCKERS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THEIR STUFF IN, SIT DOWN, CHECK IN AND OUT AND KEEP THEIR PERSONAL EFFECTS THERE SO THAT THEY HAVE A BETTER EXPERIENCE. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF REGULAR VOLUNTEERS, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO GROW TO HELP SUPPLEMENT STAFF AND PROVIDE MORE ENRICHMENT AND BEHAVIOR SUPPORT FOR THE ANIMALS. SO IT IS A NEEDED AREA. OKAY, MAYOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO MY COLLEAGUES BEFORE I GIVE DIRECTION ON THAT ONE ITEM, PLEASE. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE FROM 16 THREE.

COUNCILPERSON CHESTER, WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT MY DIRECTION WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF EACH OF THE OPTION TWOS. I'M CONVINCED THAT IN SOME OF THE INSTANCES, WHAT IS A RELATIVELY SMALL AMOUNT THAT WE CAN MAXIMIZE WHILE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH THE BOND PROCEEDS ALREADY. AS FAR AS THE LINDA MCNABB ANIMAL CARE AND ADOPTION CENTER, THESE WERE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WENT THROUGH ALL THE VETTING BEFORE THE BOND PROGRAM THAT WE SAID WE NEEDED. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE NUMBERS WERE OFF. HOWEVER, I DO BELIEVE IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO DO THIS NOW VERSUS LATER. AND AS FAR AS THE PART OF BONNIE BRAE THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE ADDRESSED IN, IN A PERMANENT WAY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, I'M ALSO CONVINCED THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO CLOSE THAT PART DOWN RIGHT NOW, AND THEREFORE IT'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE OTHER BALL OF WAX IN TEN YEARS ANYWAY. SO WITH THAT, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR THE CARE AND ADOPTION CENTER, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THESE MOVES NOW. SO THAT IS MY DIRECTION. MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT TWO THREE. PARDON ME. YEAH. FIRST I JUST, YOU KNOW, SHOULDN'T GO WITHOUT COMMENT. I KNOW YOU KNOW IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, ON THE SHELTER I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A SMALL MISS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST SAYING IT BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE SAID, RIGHT. IT'S NOT JUST AN OOPS.

THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG MISS. AND SO I'M JUST STATING THE OBVIOUS. SO THERE'S NO WAY TO BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT. AND THEN I WOULD ALSO SAY AS A KIND OF A GENERAL COMMENT, THE STRATEGY OF APPROVE THE MONEY. AND I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT THE PROGRAM AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS LATER. AND I DON'T FIND HELPFUL FOR ME IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO GIVE GOOD STEWARDSHIP. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M ACTUALLY AND ALSO I JUST I'M DUBIOUS THAT IF WE WAIT TILL JANUARY WHEN WE HEAR THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT COSTS GO UP BY FOUR TIMES. I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE. SO I'M ALIGNED WITH ACTUALLY WHERE I HEARD COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE GOING, WHICH WAS LET'S DO THE, THE, THE OPTION TWOS ON THE FIRE STATIONS. AND LET'S SIMPLY CONNECT THE DOTS. AND WHEN WE HEAR THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD NOW ALL THIS THAT'S GREAT AND WELL THOUGHT THROUGH. AND I UNDERSTAND IT WAS PART OF THE BOND PROGRAM. I GOT THAT RATIONALE. BUT WE DO HAVE NEXT MONTH PROPOSALS COMING. SO LET'S INSTEAD OF GOING YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR IT, JUST HEAR IT AND CONNECT THE DOTS. HERE'S THE RECOMMENDATIONS. HERE'S THE PART THAT WE'VE TOLD YOU ABOUT WITH THE BUDGET THAT CONNECTS TO IT. YOU KNOW, JUST DO IT. DO IT HOLISTICALLY. SO THAT'S WHERE

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I'M AT OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S NEEDS. I AM ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THE OPTION TWO FOR THE LINDA MCNATT ANIMAL CARE AND ADOPTION CENTER. I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE HEARING LATER ON IS SOMETHING IN REGARDS TO THE PROCESSES THAT THEY USE, MORE SO THAN THE FACILITY. SO SUPPORTING THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THIS FACILITY DONE FOR THEM IS, IS, YOU KNOW, JUST SOUNDS LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO RIGHT NOW. BUT MY QUESTION IS, AND THIS IS PROBABLY NEITHER HERE NOR THERE QUESTION I'LL PREFACE THIS, BUT I'LL ASK IT ANYWAY AS THIS NEW PART PORTION OF THIS FACILITY WAS COMING ON BOARD AND BEING DESIGNED. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT PRIOR TO OUR LAST CONTROVERSIAL SITUATION OUT THERE. WHAT PART OF THIS LAST CONTROVERSIAL SITUATION ADDED TO THIS DESIGN? WAS THERE SOMETHING BEFORE OR AFTER OR IT WAS COMING UP ANYWAY? IS THIS IS THIS EVEN A QUESTION I MEAN, TO GET CLARIFICATION, WHAT EXACTLY WHEN THE DOG THAT YOU KNOW WAS, YOU KNOW, THE ANIMAL THAT WAS PUT DOWN BUT WAS ALL OF THAT, SOME OF THIS DESIGN. SO IT WAS ALREADY IN THE MIX, ALREADY READY TO GO THIS WAY. THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UNFORTUNATE SITUATION. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO THIS THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH I'M GOING TO BE REAL FRANK HERE. THE FIRST BUILDING THAT WAS DESIGNED AND BUILT WAS NOT ADEQUATE, RIGHT? IT DID NOT HAVE A VENTING AND AIR CONDITIONING. WE HAD TO. IT WAS RESIDENTIAL AIR CONDITIONING UNITS. AND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON WHEN YOU HIRE SOMEONE TO DO SCOPING AND STUFF. WE'VE WE'VE NOW LOOKED AT OTHER PROCESSES TO GET BETTER AT THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE TRUSTING SOMEONE ELSE TO GIVE YOU ESTIMATES FOR COSTS THAT ARE 3 TO 5 YEARS OUT. AND IT'S HARD. SO THIS WAS ALL AS A PART OF WHAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE IN ANIMALS THAT ARE SURRENDERED, TAKING ANIMALS THAT HAVE BEEN ABANDONED AND THEN GET THEM OUT THE DOOR. AND SO ALL THIS, YOU SEE, WAS ALL PLANNED TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF AN EXPERIENCE FOR AN ADOPTER. ALSO, THOUGH, SETTING ASIDE AREAS SO PEOPLE CAN HAVE PRIVATE TIME BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT PRIVATE, THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE REAL A REAL EXPERIENCE IN A IN AN ANIMAL CONTROL AREA. BUT I AND I WANTED TO CORRECT MAYOR PRO TEM. I DIDN'T MEAN COMING BACK IN JANUARY. WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING IS, IF WE CAME BACK IN ANOTHER BOND PROGRAM IN 3 TO 4 YEARS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO. THE COST WOULD MULTIPLY SIGNIFICANTLY IF WE COME BACK IN JANUARY, NO COST ISN'T GOING TO GO UP. NOT THAT I KNOW OF. IT'S JUST THAT WHAT WE'RE TELLING YOU NOW IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR RELATED TO THIS AND ALL THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS WHICH ARE IN THE AUDIT, ITS PROCESSES, ITS THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. WHAT STAFF'S GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS WHAT THEY'VE IMPROVED IN EXPERIENCE BARCODING, TRAINING, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. RIGHT. DID YOU GET MY I DID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM SCORE FOUR AND THEN TWO. THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ACRONYM A, A O N VERSUS NEW HVAC. SO IT'S ONE AND THE SAME SO THAT THE A SYSTEM IS A SPECIFIC TYPE OF TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS A ON I'LL LET SETH GO THROUGH IT. HE'S BEEN DEALING WITH THE I JUST HATE ACRONYMS THAT DON'T HAVE A REFERENCE. NO. YOU'RE GOOD. SO SETH GARCIA, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF COUNCIL, ROCKS. AON IS A BRAND NAME. AND SO? SO THEY ARE THE RECOMMENDED FROM THE ARCHITECT AND MEP FOR THE SYSTEM TO GO INTO THE ANIMAL SHELTER. SO ONE THINGS ABOUT THE SYSTEM IS IT WILL DO 100% OUTSIDE AIR EXCHANGES. THAT KIND OF GOES INTO ONE OF THE MISSES THAT THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WITH THE COST ESTIMATE. SO WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT THE EXISTING ROOF AND STRUCTURE HOLDS THAT RESIDENTIAL AC SYSTEM THAT HAS A CERTAIN SIZE DUCT DUCTWORK. ONCE YOU PUT IN A 100% OUTSIDE AIR, THAT SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASES THE SIZE OF THE DUCTWORK, WHICH MEANS WE'RE ESSENTIALLY GOING TO GO IN AND MODIFY ALL THE TRUSSES AND TAKE OFF HALF THE ROOF TO PUT IN THE REQUIRED AC SYSTEM. SO THAT TAKES IT FROM A $500,000 UPGRADE TO 1.5 MILLION. AND SO THAT'S WHERE A BIG CHUNK OF SOME OF THOSE MISSES CAME THAT WAS NOT CAUGHT DURING EVACUATION. AND AON IS CONSTANTLY INFUSING NEW FRESH, CLEAN AIR 100% OUTSIDE

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AIR. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. AS BOY, AS RELUCTANT AS I AM TO ABANDON BONNIE BRAE, I'M. I'M ALL ABOUT ASPHALT. I MEAN, I THAT THAT THAT JUST IT BREAKS MY HEART TO SAY THIS G I'M GOING TO GET YOU SOME NEW ASPHALT OUT THERE. WELL, AND I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU, PEOPLE HAVE WHINED AND WHINED AND WHINED ABOUT BONNIE BRAE. I ACTUALLY GOT AN EMAIL THAT SAID THAT SUGGESTED THAT THE CITY HAD SIMPLY SAID, WE CAN'T FIX BONNIE BRAE. WE'RE SIMPLY GOING TO GIVE UP, AS PREPOSTEROUS AS THAT IS. BUT BUT THAT'S THE ATTITUDE THAT'S FLOATING AROUND IN THERE. AND WE'VE BEEN LIVING WITH THIS FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. YES, SIR.

RELUCTANTLY. THE ONLY THING THAT TRUMPS THAT IS IN MY MIND IS PUBLIC SAFETY. SO I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO SAY YES TO TWO, TWO AND TWO. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF TIMING QUESTIONS. I THINK A LOT OF OUR QUESTIONS LATELY IS ABOUT TIMING. THE FOUR, THE 4.5 FOR THE SHELTER. IS IT OR DO WE HAVE AN EXPECTATION I KNOW I'M ASKING YOU TO PREDICT, BUT CONSIDERING THAT IS JUST A MONTH AWAY, DO WE HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT THAT ANY CHANGES IN THE PRELIMINARY VERSIONS OF THE VARIOUS AUDITS AND REPORTS, THE COSTS WILL LIKELY FIT INTO THAT 4.5, OR WE JUST HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING? YEAH. SO I THINK THE AUDIT IS GOING TO BE SEPARATE FROM WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE BUILDING, AS SARAH SAID, THE AUDIT IS GOING TO GO TO THE PROCESSES, PROCEDURES, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING IN THIS $4.5 MILLION IS GOING TO GIVE THEM THE SPACE AND THE TOOLS. YES, SIR. THE TOOLS TO COMPLETE THOSE PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES AS THEY NEED TO BE. WELL, LET ME ASK IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. AND THAT IS IF WE'RE LOOKING AT 4.5, WILL GET US 85% OF WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO GO ON IN IN BY JANUARY, END OF JANUARY ON THESE VARIOUS REPORTS. AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 5% MORE OR 2% MORE THEN AND I KNOW THAT CAN BE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL AS A SMALL ADDENDUM OR SOMETHING. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A MILLION MORE, THEN IT MIGHT BEHOOVE US TO HAVE THE COMPLETE PACKAGE IF IT'S GOING TO BE 5.5 MILLION INSTEAD OF 4.5 MILLION, YOU KNOW, 4.6 VERSUS 5.5 MILLION IS SORT OF MY QUESTION. AND I'M NOT SURE YOU GUYS KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. AND I GUESS THAT'S THE FIRST PART, IS DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT THE COST MIGHT BE? AND IT GOES TO THE WOULD I RECOMMEND WAITING UNTIL JANUARY OR FEBRUARY LIKE MAYOR PRO TEM SUGGESTED FOR THESE CHANGES OR NOT? SO THAT THAT'S MY FIRST TIMING QUESTION. OKAY. SO I'LL LET I'LL LET NIKKI AND SARAH SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE AUDIT IS THAT ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF THAT AUDIT IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT NEEDS AS WE'RE AS ARE LISTED HERE. OKAY. AND I'LL ALSO SAY THAT JUST JUST BECAUSE WE APPROVE THIS TODAY DOESN'T MEAN I'M GOING TO CONSTRUCTION TOMORROW. WE STILL HAVE A WHOLE DESIGN. UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. OKAY. NIKKI IS DIRECTOR OF ANIMAL SERVICES. SO THE AUDIT THAT IS TAKING PLACE NOW, THE CITY AUDITOR IS CONDUCTING IS MORE ON PROCESSES AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE CHECKING THE BOXES ON ALL OUR PROCESSES. SO WHEN AN INTAKE IS BROUGHT IN, DID WE DO ALL OF THE VACCINATIONS ENTERED INTO PET POINT, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. SO NONE OF THEM ARE PROGRAMMATIC CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO COME OUT, RESULTING IN US HAVING TO CHANGE SOMETHING FUNCTIONALLY WITHIN THE BUILDING LAYOUT. THE REVIEWS THAT WERE DONE IN 2018 AND THEN 2023 WITH THE CANINE CARE, AND THEN ALSO THE MOST RECENT ONE WITH SHELTER SAVVY, DO TALK ABOUT PROGRAMMATIC CHANGES. AND A LOT OF THOSE WERE ALREADY IN THE WORKS WHEN WE WERE WORKING THROUGH THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS WITH THE ARCHITECT. AND SO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD FIT WITHIN THIS CURRENT FOOTPRINT THAT IS, THAT IS SCOPED RIGHT NOW. SO THE LOOKING AT MORE HOLISTIC SERVICES, PROVIDING SPACES FOR GROWING OUR FOSTER PROGRAM, OUR VOLUNTEER PROGRAM, OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAM, OR INTAKE DIVERSION, THAT'S WHAT THIS ACHIEVES. SO THAT'S WHY I GUESS DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. SO IF I SUMMARIZE AND THIS MAY BE A LITTLE CRUDE, BUT YOU COULD CORRECT IT, IT CAPITAL CHANGES. NO. POSSIBLY NO CHANGES. YES.

NO, NO I WOULD I WOULD SAY NO. THE ONLY THING THAT MAY CHANGE IS AND SARAH MENTIONED IT ALREADY LOOKING AT THE VET SERVICES, BRINGING THEM FROM CONTRACTED TO IN-HOUSE. BUT THIS FOOTPRINT WOULD SUPPORT IN-HOUSE SERVICES RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE WORKSPACES. IT DOES

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HAVE A LARGER OPERATING AREA, AND IT ALSO HAS AN EXAM AREA, WHICH WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE RIGHT NOW. EXAMS FOR FOSTERS OR ANYTHING THAT COMES IN IS TAKING PLACE ON THE SAME DESK THAT THEY DO THEIR WORK AT. SO YEAH. AND THEN TREVOR THANK YOU NIKKI. MY LAST TIMING QUESTION IS THE IF WE WERE GOING TO TIME SHIFT TO COMPENSATE FOR THE FUND DIFFERENCES IS THE PROPOSAL WE AND WE'RE GOING TO TIME SHIFT ROAD REPAIR. WE HAD TWO ROAD REPAIR PROJECTS IN THE BOND.

WHY. AND I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M ABOUT TO SAY THIS BECAUSE RUDEL IS IN MY BACKYARD. BUT WHY TIME SHIFT? BONNIE BRAE VERSUS TIME SHIFT. RUDEL. YEAH. SO I THINK I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE MULTIPLE OPTIONS. I THINK THIS WAS THE EASIEST, KNOWING THAT THE TIME FRAME THAT WE WERE GOING TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION ON BONNIE BRAE FIVE WAS ALREADY GOING TO BE MOVED OUT THREE YEARS, KNOWING THAT SECTION OF ROADWAY AND ITS CURRENT STATUS, ITS CURRENT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY IT LOOKS NOW, WE FEEL LIKE THAT MILL AND OVERLAY IS GOING TO IS GOING TO BE PLENTY TO GET US TO WHAT THAT NEXT. YOU KNOW, THAT NEXT PROJECT IS AS FAR AS THAT NEXT TIME FRAME. I WOULD SAY MINGO RUDEL. AND I MEAN, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER ROADWAY ONE WOULD BE. MAYBE PECK THREE AND FOUR HAS SOME, BUT, YOU KNOW, MINGO RUDEL IT BEING A BOND PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED BY VOTERS THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, TOLD THEM THAT WE WERE GOING TO GO OUT AND DO I FELT THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING WE NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. AND AS BONNIE BRAE PHASE FIVE PROJECT WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS ALREADY GOING TO BE MOVED OUT THREE YEARS, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HURT US THAT MUCH. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THE TYPICAL RESIDENT WILL EVEN NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MILL AND OVERLAY OR COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION AS WELL. AS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION FATIGUE ALONG BONNIE BRAE DM'S BUILDING THE SUBSTATION RIGHT THERE THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOREVER. SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAYBE THEY'RE IN FOR A BREAK. OKAY. NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE VARIOUS ROAD PROJECTS AND THE TIME SHIFTING. I GUESS THEN MY DIRECTION WOULD BE. YES, TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY.

FIVE AND SIX I I'M GOING TO SIDE WITH MAYOR PRO TEM THAT I WOULD LIKE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE US WAIT UNTIL THE RECOMMENDATIONS COME BACK IN JANUARY BEFORE I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ANIMAL CARE FACILITY. OKAY. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE? I'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE MY DIRECTION FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER. YEAH, I'M ABSOLUTELY GOING TO BE A YES. LET'S DELAY THIS A MONTH, A MONTH AND A HALF, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT OPTICS MATTER. THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNITY INTEREST IN THIS, AND WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PUBLIC. AND WHEN THE PUBLIC SAYS, WHY DID YOU DO THIS WHEN YOU COULD HAVE WAITED A MONTH? I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR THEM BECAUSE TO TREVOR, TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T THINK THE COST IS GOING TO BE THAT MUCH DIFFERENT AND WAITING ONLY A MONTH. I DON'T SEE WHAT THE HARM IS. I'D I'D SLEEP A LOT BETTER AT NIGHT, ACTUALLY, KNOWING WHERE WE'RE GOING VERSUS TAKING A GUESS AT AS EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE GOING. I DO TRUST STAFF. I THANK YOU ALL FOR THE WORK THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE ON THIS, AND I'M SURE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR OPTION TWO. I JUST PREFER TO WAIT UNTIL JANUARY, TILL AFTER WE'VE HAD THE AUDIT AND THE REPORT FROM SHELTER SAVVY BACK. SO THAT'S A THAT'S MY DIRECTION. RESIDENT REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT THREE.

JUST TO KIND OF MAKE A SUGGESTION, IF WE END UP IF THAT ENDS UP PREVAILING, YOU KNOW WE THOUGHT WE KNEW WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION IMPLICATIONS WERE FOR THE PROGRAMS WE HAD IN MIND BEFORE WE WERE OFF BY A THIRD. SO I WOULD SAY IF WE DO PUT IT BACK, LET'S TAKE THE TIME, YOU KNOW, GET WHATEVER EXTRA EYES WE NEED ON IT TO JUST BE MORE SURE THIS TIME. OKAY? ANYONE ELSE? QUESTION WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE TIMING ON? 35 W? SO TXDOT IS GOING TO START THE WHAT THEY CALL THE MERGE PROJECT. SO THAT'S 35 I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT LIMITS, BUT THEY'RE STARTING IN JANUARY OKAY. AND CORRECT ME WHERE I'M WRONG. BONNIE. WELL SO BONNIE BRAE NEAR DAK STADIUM.

THAT'S ABOUT A YEAR OUT A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT OKAY. AND THEN THE NEXT PHASE WHEN DOES THAT CLEAR UP NORTH OF THAT. SURE. SO IT'LL BE BONNIE BRAE FOR BE IS NORTH OF THAT. AND BONNIE BRAE

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FIVE IS NORTH OF THAT. THOSE ARE THE ONES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. DELAYING UNTIL THREE AND SIX ARE DONE. BONNIE BRAE SIX THREE TO ELM AND LOCUST ARE 77. IT'S NOT GOING TO CLEAR OUT FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS. IT'S A TWO AND A HALF YEAR CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE. YEAH. AND THAT ONE IS CRITICAL, RIGHT? WE ALL KNOW THAT, RIGHT? GET IN, GET IN, GET IN OUT OF THAT SHOPPING CENTER AND TORCHY'S TACOS AND ALL THAT. IT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLE. THE THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED. SO TRACKING WITH YOU THERE AND NOT TO MENTION THE SCHOOL RIGHT THERE AS WELL AT RONNIE, RONNIE AND BONNIE BRAE. THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING. THAT'S REALLY WHY WE'RE PUSHING THAT PROJECT AS FAST AS WE ARE TO TRY TO MEET THEIR TIMELINES FOR OPENING THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. ELEMENTARY.

GOT IT. AND THEN. HOW ARE YOU SEEING HAVE HAVE WE PUT EYES ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER THE STREET TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT PHASING DOES. MEANING COMPLETE REBUILD ON THE SIDE OF 35. GET IT? THAT'S NO BIG DEAL, BUT COMPLETE REBUILD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF UNIVERSITY. IS THAT A CLEAN SPACE TO START GOING NORTH OF 380, TO SAY THIS IS GOING TO BE BRAND NEW INFRASTRUCTURE CONNECTING TO OLD INFRASTRUCTURE, AND WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. SURE. IT WILL BE SEPARATED BY THE INTERSECTION. SO YEAH, I BELIEVE SO. YES, SIR. SO IT DOESN'T PUT ANY EXTRA STRESS CAPACITY. NONE OF THOSE CONCERNS. NO. SO AGAIN SIGHT UNSEEN RIGHT. CORRECT.

YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN LASTLY THE MILLINGS. SO THAT FIRST STRETCH RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE ROUNDABOUT IS CONCRETE OR CEMENT, RIGHT. YEAH I BELIEVE THE ROUNDABOUT IS CONCRETE. YEAH. SO IT GOES IT GOES A LITTLE WAYS OUT. SO YOU WOULD LEAVE THAT AND MILL BEYOND THAT. RIGHT. YOU WOULDN'T YOU WOULDN'T DISTURB THAT. RIGHT. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN I DID A QUICK. NOW THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NOTHING, BUT JUST TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND FROM THE FOLKS DIRECTLY AFFECTED ON THE STREET, OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE TRAVEL THROUGH THERE ALL THE TIME, BUT I COUNTED UNIQUELY THAT STRETCH THAT THAT PHASE FIVE HAS 12 HOUSES ON IT. SO IT'S REALLY DIMINISHED NUMBER OF RESIDENTS ON THAT SECTION. AND THEN WE'VE PURCHASED EVERYTHING FROM SCRIPTURE TO OAK ARE IN THE PROCESS OF. RIGHT. SO ALL THOSE THERE'S NO HOUSES THERE. SO IT'S INTERESTING. BUT THIS STRETCH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE'S ONLY 12 HOUSES, SOME BUSINESSES BUT RESIDENTS WISE THAT THAT WAS FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT THAT GIVES ME PEACE. SO THAT BEING SAID, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE BONNIE BRAE COMPONENT JUST BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, IT'S TWO YEARS OLD, BUT I DID A GOOGLE MAPS LOOK AT IT. I DRIVE IT PRETTY REGULAR, AND I AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT THAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, BY AND LARGE, NOT AS BAD AS THE OTHERS, OTHER SEGMENTS. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PRIORITIZING THAT QUEUE BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIDEWALK, THAT STADIUM AND SOME OTHER STUFF, SO THERE'S NO MAJOR FLAWS AS FAR AS, HEY, WE GOT TO GET THIS DONE. SO I'M COMFORTABLE THERE.

SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. AND THEN THE AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT I DON'T THINK I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THIS THIS SEGMENT THAT'S 2019 BOND. IS THAT RIGHT. NO SIR. BONNIE BRAE PHASE FIVE WAS 2012 2014 BOND I BELIEVE. YEAH. SO WHAT. AND I LOOKED AT THE WEBSITE. AND SO IF I LOOKED AT IT WRONG FORGIVE ME. BUT YES. SO THAT'S THAT COULD BE WRONG. THAT THAT TO ME IS NOTEWORTHY. RIGHT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I MEAN I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO THAT IS. I'M NOT GOOD AT WHOLE NUMBER MATH, BUT THAT'S IT'S MORE THAN TWO. RIGHT. SO TO PREDICT SOMETHING THAT FAR OUT IS DIFFICULT. AND I TAKE STAFF'S POINT ON THE ANIMAL SHELTER COMPONENT. REALLY WHAT I LOOK AT IS THE QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVEMENTS. HAVING BEEN THERE AND HAVING SPENT TIME AND HELP FEED THE ANIMALS. AND TO YOUR POINT, THE VOLUNTEERS ARE TRIED AND TRUE. THEY'RE AMAZING. AND SO TO GIVE THEM THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE MORE COMFORTABLE, TO BE IN A, YOU KNOW, IN AN AREA, HAVE THEIR OWN AREA, BE IT A SET YOUR STUFF DOWN, ALL THOSE THINGS I CAN GET COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. AND THIS IS UNFORTUNATELY WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR A WHILE. I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE HAD A LOT MORE MONEY IF WE JUST BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN YOU WHEN YOU COMMIT TO A BOND, YOU'RE NOT COMMITTING TO EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING TO GET DONE. YOU'RE COMMITTING TO WILL GOOD FAITH, EFFORT TO GET ALL THESE THINGS DONE. PLEASE VOTE FOR IT. THAT'S AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S FAIR. AND THEN BUT WE TOOK MONEY FROM 2012. IS THAT WHERE WE GOT WAY OFF LIKE THE SCOPE. YES SIR. YEAH. SO 2012 GETS WAY OFF. WE TAKE MONEY FROM OUR BUDGET AND FIND WAYS TO FILL THOSE GAPS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO. WE DID. AND YOU KNOW, WE WERE KIND OF FORWARD LOOKING. WE KIND OF PUT IN A BAD SITUATION BY THAT SCOPING. BUT INSTEAD OF SAYING, HEY, SORRY, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. WE TOOK. SO IT'S KIND OF BEEN SO TO I SAY ALL

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THAT TO SAY POINT ALL THAT OUT TO SAY THIS ONE MISS CERTAINLY A MISS. BUT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A STANDPOINT OF ONE VERSUS EVERYTHING ON THE 2012 WAS WRONG, YOU KNOW, SO I, I DO THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING BETTER ABOUT HOW WE GO ABOUT THESE THINGS. WE'RE BEING MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT THAT. AND IT'S HARD TO IF WE'RE MAKING THE SAME MISTAKE OVER. THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION FOR ME THAN, HEY, WE'RE CONTINUING TO REFINE, CONTINUING TO GET BETTER, CONTINUING TO LEARN FROM FROM MISTAKES. SO THAT'S HOW I CAN GET COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. AND THE JUST LASTLY, ON THE FIRE FIRE COMPONENTS, THE POLICE OFFICER IS CRITICAL. WE'VE SEEN THAT WORK IN THE OTHER STATIONS. SO I THAT'S THAT'S NEEDED. AND THE I MEAN THEY'RE MAXIMIZING EVERY BUILDING WE HAVE. SO THE QUARTERMASTER'S IN THE OLD BUILDING THERE ON SHERMAN. YOU KNOW WE HAVE A NEW ENGINE GOING INTO THIS OTHER THING. SO WE'RE WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT BANKING A BUNCH OF BUILDINGS FOR OTHER STUFF THAT MAY COME. WE'RE WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO FILL EVERY GAP AND MAKE ALL THE PIECES FIT. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S GOOD TO SHOW GOOD STEWARDSHIP ON, ON BEHALF OF THAT DEPARTMENT. SO I APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORTS. SO YEAH, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF FIVE AND SIX AND THE ANIMAL SHELTER BECAUSE OF THE NOT MORE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE COST. IT'S MORE TO ADD THOSE COMFORTS FOR OUR VOLUNTEERS TO ADDRESS THOSE. AND THEN AND I THINK STAFF, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO COME BACK WITH THE SAVINGS. RIGHT. WE HAVE A CONTRACT FOR WHAT'S THAT PLACE? THE VET PLACE. YEAH. SO IF WE CAN MOVE AWAY FROM THAT, THERE'S SAVINGS THERE. THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS TO EVALUATE KIND OF FROM A GOING FORWARD PERSPECTIVE THAT MAY I MEAN, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A TON OF MONEY, BUT AT LEAST IT'S NOTEWORTHY. AND MAN, THE AIR QUALITY ALONE IS ENOUGH TO IF WE CAN'T I MEAN, IF WE COULD DO THAT TOMORROW, I'D BE IN. RIGHT? BECAUSE I MEAN, THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE WRITES ITSELF AND WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE, RIGHT? THE ANIMAL COMES IN, WE DON'T KNOW. THEY GET SICK, THEY GET EVERYONE ELSE SICK. NOW WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT CONCERN. MAN. NO WAY DO I WANT TO DELAY THAT. I WANT TO DO THAT TOMORROW. SO. SO THAT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMALS, SO WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE OTHER ANIMALS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ADOPT AND IN GOOD FAITH. SO REALLY WANT TO MOVE ON THAT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. FOR THAT REASON YOU CAN'T CONTROL THOSE THOSE ILLNESSES AND THOSE AIRBORNE THAT AIRBORNE SPREAD OF THOSE ILLNESSES DON'T WANT TO WAIT. SO THAT'S HOW I GET THERE.

SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. EVERYONE'S INSIGHT. YES. ONE MORE I THINK THAT'S FOR I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT. BUT THE OTHER THING IS THIS DOESN'T NEGATE US COMING BACK AS MAYOR PRO TEM OR AS COUNCIL MEMBER BECK. AND AS COUNCIL MEMBER MCGHEE STATED, WE WILL IN OUR PRESENTATION AFTER THE AUDIT WILL ALIGN THE ADVANTAGES OF WHAT YOU SAW HERE AND THE WORK THAT'S BEING REQUESTED TO MAKE THIS AN NOT JUST A SHELTER THAT IS BUILT WITH ANIMALS AND PEOPLE IN MIND SO THAT THEY CAN CONNECT. BUT ALSO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE EFFICIENCIES, EFFECTIVENESS, PROCESSES, PROCEDURES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AND THAT THAT WILL TURN THE SHELTER IN, QUITE FRANKLY, ONE OF THE BEST OPERATED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND I'M NOT JUST SAYING THAT TO BE SAYING IT. SO I HOPE YOU HOLD US TO IT, BECAUSE IT WILL ABSOLUTELY BE THE TRUTH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

[C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding establishing a city policy to grant authority to the City Manager or their designee to protest Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ) Texas Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (TPDES) permit applications seeking to discharge treated wastewater into Denton watersheds. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 min]]

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM C, WHICH IS ID 242479. RECEIVE REPORT, WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING ESTABLISH ESTABLISHING A CITY POLICY TO GRANT AUTHORITY TO THE CITY MANAGER OR THEIR DESIGNEE TO PROTEST TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY TC TEXAS POLLUTANT DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M KYLE PEDIGO, PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DIVISION MANAGER FOR WATER UTILITIES. SO I'M HERE TODAY TO SEEK COUNCIL'S DIRECTION REGARDING ESTABLISHING A PROTEST AUTHORITY POLICY FOR THE TEXAS POLLUTANT DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM PERMITS. SO TO PREVENT ME FROM SAYING THAT OVER AND OVER, WE REFER TO THESE AS THESE PERMITS. WE'LL START WITH WATER RECLAMATION BASICS. SO WATER RECLAMATION BEGINS WITH COLLECTION, WHICH IS WHEN THE WASTEWATER IS COLLECTED THROUGH UNDERGROUND PIPES AND TRANSPORTED TO THE WATER RECLAMATION PLANTS. WHEN IT REACHES THE PLANT, IT GOES THROUGH TREATMENT WHERE THE WATER RECLAMATION PLANT UTILIZES SEVERAL TECHNOLOGIES TO CLEAN AND TREAT THE WATER. ONCE IT'S TREATED, IT'S DISCHARGED, SO THE BIOSOLIDS OR SLUDGE THAT ARE REMOVED FROM THE WASTEWATER ARE TRUCKED AWAY TO EITHER BE COMPOSTED THROUGH THE DINO DIRT PROGRAM OR DISPOSED OF IN A LANDFILL. AND THEN THE EFFLUENT, WHICH IS THE CLEANED WATER IS

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WATER UTILITIES. THE INCREASED FLOW IN THESE CREEKS FAR UPSTREAM OF LAKES COULD LIMIT THE STORMWATER CARRYING CAPACITY OF THE CREEK, SO ANY WATER RECLAMATION PLANT UNDER A 1 MILLION GALLON PER DAY DISCHARGE LIMIT ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR MITIGATING THAT IMPACT THAT THEIR EFFLUENT WOULD HAVE ON THE WATERWAY. THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR LOWER QUALITY EFFLUENT THAT COULD CAUSE BACTERIAL CONCERNS IN LOCAL CREEKS, WHICH FLOW TOWARDS DENTON. WATER SUPPLY INTAKES AGAIN SHOWN IN PURPLE. AND THESE LOCALIZED SOLUTIONS DO NOT PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BENEFICIAL REUSE OF THE EFFLUENT BEFORE IT'S DISCHARGED. THIS CHART JUST SHOWS A SUMMARY OF THE IMPACT OF A LOCALIZED VERSUS A REGIONAL APPROACH TO WATER RECLAMATION FOR MAINTENANCE AND

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OPERATION OF THE FACILITY. IN A REGIONAL APPROACH, DENTON WOULD MAINTAIN THAT FACILITY AND ENSURE THE QUALITY OF THE EFFLUENT THAT'S DISCHARGED WHILE IN A LOCAL, LOCALIZED SOLUTION.

WE WOULD HAVE NO CONTROL OF THAT FOR THE DISCHARGE POINTS OF EFFLUENT. IN A REGIONAL SOLUTION, WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A LOCALIZED IMPACT BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOWER NUMBER OF PLANTS DISCHARGING A HIGHER VOLUME OF WATER IN SMALLER LOCATIONS, WHILE IN THE LOCAL SOLUTION, YOU'D HAVE A WIDESPREAD IMPACT DUE TO THE DISTRIBUTED NATURE OF THE PLANTS DISCHARGING INTO OUR WATERSHED FOR EFFLUENT QUALITY, WE KNOW WE WOULD HAVE A HIGH QUALITY EFFLUENT WITH A REGIONAL SOLUTION DUE TO THE TECHNOLOGY WE'RE PURSUING THE MEMBRANE BIOREACTOR, AND THAT TECHNOLOGY IS NOT NECESSARY TO GAIN APPROVAL OF A PERMIT. SO WE CAN'T WE HAVE NO. WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE ADOPTED THROUGH LOCAL SOLUTIONS FOR THE FOR BENEFICIAL REUSE IN A REGIONAL SOLUTION, WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BENEFICIALLY REUSE THE WATER, THE EFFLUENT BEFORE IT'S DISCHARGED INTO THE WATERWAYS. WE HAVE AN EXISTING BENEFICIAL REUSE SYSTEM THAT RUNS THROUGH OUR PECAN CREEK PLANT, AND WE ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND THOSE SYSTEMS AND INTEGRATE IT INTO INTO FURTHER PLANTS. WHILE WITH THE LOCALIZED SOLUTION, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OF THE EFFLUENT, SO WE CAN'T REUSE IT FOR IRRIGATION OR OTHER NON-POTABLE PURPOSES BEFORE IT'S DISCHARGED. THE LOCAL SOLUTION HAS A POTENTIAL TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR REGIONAL SOLUTIONS. FOR EXAMPLE, CLEAR CREEK IS LISTED AS CONCERN FOR BACTERIA LEVELS. IF WE ADD IF LOCAL PLANTS ADD TO THAT BACTERIAL LOADING, THAT COULD IMPACT THE TERMS OF OUR DISCHARGE DISCHARGE PERMIT DOWNSTREAM. BECAUSE THE CLEAR CREEK OR CLEAR CREEK PLANT IS DOWNSTREAM OF THESE LOCAL PLANT LOCATIONS. AND AGAIN, FOR STORMWATER MITIGATION. IN EITHER SCENARIO, DENTON IS THE LIKELY ENTITY REQUIRED TO MITIGATE ANY IMPACT ON THE STORMWATER CARRYING CAPACITY OF THESE CREEKS. BECAUSE WE'RE THE PRIMARY MUNICIPAL STORM SEWER SYSTEM PERMIT HOLDER. AND AGAIN, ANY PLANT PERMITTED UNDER 1 MILLION GALLONS DAILY DISCHARGE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT MITIGATION. AS AN EXAMPLE, HERE'S AN OUTLINE OF CITY OF DALLAS APPROACH. SO DALLAS IS THE LARGEST WATER RIGHT HOLDER IN REGION C, WHICH DENTON IS ALSO A PART OF. THEIR STANDARD PRACTICE IS TO PROTEST ALL RELEVANT TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY PERMITS, INCLUDING THE CITY'S PERMITS. THIS PROTESTING ALLOWS FOR DALLAS TO STAY INFORMED AND ANALYZE THE PERMIT DETAILS BEYOND THE 30 DAY WINDOW GIVEN FOR COMMENTS, AND IT APPEARS THAT A MAJORITY OF THESE PROTESTS ARE DROPPED PRIOR TO LITIGATION FOR THE BENEFIT OF DENTON PROTESTING THESE PERMITS. SO TO START OFF THE PERMIT, OUR PERMITS ARE UNLIKELY TO BE DENIED. DENIED OUTRIGHT DUE TO A PROTEST. HOWEVER, BY PROTESTING, IT COULD ALLOW THE CITY OF DENTON TO VOICE OUR CONCERNS AND POTENTIALLY INFLUENCE THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR THE PERMIT. PRIOR TO THE PERMIT BEING GRANTED, WHICH WOULD HELP TO MITIGATE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS FROM LOCAL FACILITIES. AND WE'VE SEEN THE POTENTIAL FOR BENEFICIAL, BENEFICIAL, MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL AGREEMENTS THROUGH THE RECENT TCC UTILITY SERVICE AGREEMENTS THAT WERE APPROVED IN THE PONDER AREA, WHERE THE TCC IS ABANDONING THEIR PURSUIT OF A LOCAL WASTEWATER OR WATER RECLAMATION PLANT IN FAVOR OF CONNECTING TO OUR SYSTEM. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT A PROTEST AUTHORITY ORDINANCE, WHICH WOULD GRANT THE CITY MANAGER OR THEIR DESIGNEE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO PROTEST ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF DENTON, ANY PERMITS ISSUED BY TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, AND THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE INFORMED OF EACH PROTEST THROUGH AN INFORMAL STAFF REPORT AND, AT COUNCIL'S REQUEST. A DETAILED UPDATES ON EACH PROTEST COULD BE PROVIDED IN A WORK SESSION ITEM. ANY QUESTIONS? GOT IT. THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. FUNCTIONALLY, WHAT WOULD THE DIFFERENCE BE BETWEEN THE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION AND SAYING WE TOTALLY APPROVE PROTESTING THIS ONE AND WOULD SEEK TO HEAR BEFORE YOU KNOW AND GIVE GIVE AFFIRMATIVE CONSENT BEFORE RATHER THAN HEAR ABOUT IT AFTER IN THE FUTURE. SO THE PROBLEM COMES DOWN TO TIMING. SO ANY OF THESE PENDING PERMITS CAN BE APPROVED BY THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT ANY TIME. AND AS SOON AS THEY'RE APPROVED, THAT 30 DAY WINDOW STARTS. SO ONCE THAT IF WE DON'T IF WE DON'T SEEK AND RECEIVE COUNCIL APPROVAL WITHIN THAT 30 DAY WINDOW, WE LOSE OUR ABILITY TO PROTEST. SO WITH THIS, BY GRANTING THE PROTEST AUTHORITY, IT ALLOWS US TO MAINTAIN

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FLEXIBILITY AND TO PROTEST THESE BEFORE THAT WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY CLOSES. OKAY. ANY ANY REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR, THANK YOU. UNDER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THEN WOULD WOULD CITY OF DENTON PROTEST AT HAND? EACH EACH APPLICATION. WE WOULD LIKE LIKE DALLAS DOES. WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY ADOPT DALLAS APPROACH OF PROTEST NO MATTER WHAT. WE WOULD GO ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS DEPENDING ON THE IMPACT AND THE IN THEIR. LOCATION. THE DISTANCE TO OUR POTENTIAL REGIONAL FACILITIES. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THAT JUST HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE AN INCREDIBLE TIME WASTER. IT IF WE FOLLOWED DALLAS APPROACH, IT MAY BE AND ESPECIALLY IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD THE HARD AND FAST RULE OF PURSUING EACH PROTEST THROUGH LITIGATION.

HOWEVER, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE IT WOULD REALLY BE A CASE BY CASE BASIS. AND THE GOAL ISN'T NECESSARILY TO GET THE PERMIT DENIED, IT'S TO INFLUENCE THE APPROVAL CONDITIONS OF THE PERMIT. AND AGAIN, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. CORRECT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE. DISTRICT ONE. I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS JUST IS JUST NEEDED. I AM I MEAN, THE WATER SYSTEMS HERE, I REALLY ENJOYED THOSE TOURS AND UNDERSTANDING MORE ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES FOR US TO BE SAFE AND HEALTHY WITH OUR WATER. I'M ALWAYS BRAGGING ON OUR WATER, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME LEEWAY TO. YOU KNOW, MANAGE THIS. WE ARE THE COUNTY IS JUST GROWING, YOU KNOW LIKE MAD AND HAVING THESE OTHER ENTITIES COMING IN AND THEM KIND OF PUTTING US IN A POSITION TO BE ON SAFE AND YOU KNOW, AND NOT HAVING THAT HEALTH PART TO IT, I, I JUST CANNOT IMAGINE ME SAYING NO TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE YOU ALL HAVE THAT AUTHORITY TO CONTINUE TO TAKE CARE OF US. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO AND THEN FIVE. THANK YOU. SO IT'S NOT SAID, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT BECAUSE WE WERE ORIGINALLY GOING TO PROTEST AND THEN BACKED OFF FOR THIS PRESENTATION THAT AS PART OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THE INTENT OF STAFF IS TO PROTEST. YES. YEAH. I MEAN, I JUST WANTED TO BE PEDANTIC ABOUT THAT, THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALREADY YOU GOT ONE IN READY TO GO. YES. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A I MEAN, I DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR HOW MANY THESE WERE ANTICIPATING. I SAW THE ONE, TWO, THREE, THREE THAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO HAVE. SO HERE'S THE FOUR. THERE'S SIX THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. THERE'S SIX PENDING THAT WE'VE RECEIVED IN THE PAST SIX MONTHS. THE FOR EXAMPLE, THE TWO OUT TO THE EAST, IF WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY PROTEST THOSE. FIRST OFF, AS LONG AS THEIR LEVELS, THEIR MONITORING AND LEVELS LOOK ACCEPTABLE DUE TO THE DRAINAGE, IT'S MORE THE ONES THAT IMMEDIATELY IMPACT OUR THE WATERSHED IN OUR AREA. YEAH.

OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE I MEAN POTENTIALLY FOR FOUR OF THEM. YES. OKAY. NO. SO AND WE'RE WE'RE THE WE ALREADY HAVE AN ORDINANCE READY TO GO. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CROSS CRAFT THE ORDINANCE. WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE READY TO GO. IT'S GONE THROUGH PRELIMINARY LEGAL REVIEW. SO WE HAVE IT READY. DEPENDING ON WHAT THE FEEDBACK WE HEAR TODAY, WE CAN ADJUST IT. BUT THAT WOULD BE THE JANUARY MEETING AT THE EARLIEST. CORRECT. SO THEN I ASKED THAT SPECIFIC BECAUSE DO WE NOT RUN AFOUL OF THE 30 DAYS. SO IMPLICIT IN THIS DIRECTION IS US AGREEING TO A STAFF PROTEST OF THE CURRENT SITUATION. NO. SO ALL OF THESE PERMITS ARE PENDING. SO NONE OF THEM HAVE HAD THAT 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK STARTED YET. OKAY. SO THAT ONLY HAPPENS ONCE THE ONCE THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR PUBLISHES THEIR PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATION, THEN THAT TIME PERIOD BEGINS. SO WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT UNDER THAT 30 DAY WINDOW YET. THANK YOU. THAT THAT WAS THE PART I WAS CONFUSED ABOUT. SO WE HAVE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT, BUT PRESUMABLY THEY'RE ON A HOLIDAY SCHEDULE AS WELL. SO. RIGHT. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR THEM TO ACHIEVE THAT PRELIMINARY APPROVAL AT ANY TIME, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE

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BRINGING THESE BACK AND BACK TO BACK SESSIONS. FAIR. DO. JUST AS A, AS A MATTER OF EDUCATION DO.

WHEN IN THE LITTLE RFPS VERSUS THE LARGE REGIONAL APPROACH HAS ELSEWHERE IN THE STATE IS THAT MORE SUCCESSFUL IN TERMS OF STOPPING A SMALL ROGUE WRP? I COULD WHEN THE OVERSIGHT BODY SEES THAT THERE'S A REGIONAL DESIRE. I DON'T HAVE ANY EXAMPLES PREPARED PREPARED FOR THIS, BUT I COULD PROVIDE SOME IN COMMENTS AFTERWARD. OKAY. NO, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE I'M I SUPPORT A REGIONAL APPROACH, PERIOD. MY DIRECTION IS YES, PLEASE GO WITH THAT. BUT I AM I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW YOU KNOW HOW SUCCESSFUL WE'RE LIKELY TO BE BY TAKING THE REGIONAL APPROACH VERSUS THE ONE OFF. YES. SO WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THAT INFORMATION I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT SIX COUNCILPERSON JESTER, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I'M IN FAVOR OF GRANTING THIS OPTION, AND I KNOW THAT WE WILL GET REPORTS CORRECT AS YES, ANY ARE OBJECTED TO OR WE ENTER INTO ANYTHING AND AT THE VERY LEAST QUARTERLY. BUT THE WAY WE HAVE IT WOULD BE THE EXPECTATION, SORRY, THE WAY WE HAVE IT OUTLINED IN THE OUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS AN INFORMAL STAFF REPORT WITH EVERY PROTEST AND THEN A FOLLOW UP WITH THE WORK SESSION IF MORE INFORMATION IS REQUESTED. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? NO, SIR. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. GOT IT. THANK YOU. GOT IT. SO I HAVE A JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS JUST SO THAT I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, IF I'M TRYING TO MAKE AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON. SO IF SOMEONE SAYS TO ME, HEY, THIS IS. NOT DENTON'S AREA AND I UNDERSTAND THE EFFECT, RIGHT? THAT SO I CONCEDE ALL THOSE THINGS. BUT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, IF SOMEONE SAYS, WELL, DALLAS AFFECTS OUR AIR QUALITY, WHY AREN'T YOU OPPOSING EVERYTHING AIR QUALITY WISE IN DALLAS? WHAT IS THE ANSWER TO THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD SPEAK TO THAT DIRECTLY, BUT I THINK LOOKING AT THE WAY THE WATERSHEDS WORK WITH DALLAS TO, FOR EXAMPLE, DALLAS APPROACH OF PROTESTING EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING FLOWS INTO LAKE RAY ROBERTS IN THIS AREA AND LAKE LEWISVILLE, WHICH THEY DRAW THEIR WATER OUT OF. SO THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED WITH POLLUTANT LIMITS, WHICH IS TYPICALLY WHY THEY DISCHARGE. SO THAT'S HOW THEY KEEP THEIR EYE ON BASICALLY EVERY EVERYTHING THAT WOULD HAS THE POTENTIAL TO IMPACT THEIR DRINKING WATER. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR NOT. WELL, IT DOES AND I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT I JUST WHAT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME DOING IS ANSWERING THE QUESTION, WHY AREN'T WE PROTESTING EVERYTHING IN DALLAS? IT AFFECTS OUR AIR QUALITY. OH, I COULDN'T ANSWER THAT. RIGHT. LIKE WE'RE DEFENDING OUR THE QUALITY OF WATER. WHY DON'T WE DEFEND THE QUALITY OF AIR, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. THERE'S NO. STEPHEN GAGE, GENERAL MANAGER, WATER UTILITIES AND STREET OPERATIONS. THE AIR QUALITY QUESTION IS BETTER SERVED FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES. SO WHEN WE GET THESE APPLICATIONS THAT COME THROUGH FROM T-C-E-Q, WE FORWARD THOSE OVER TO ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES.

AND IF THERE'S AN AIR QUALITY CONCERN, THEY BRING THOSE TO COUNCIL. AND I BELIEVE IN THE RECENT RECENT HISTORY THEY HAVE WE HAVE PROTESTED AIR QUALITY PERMITS OR PERMITS THAT WOULD AFFECT AIR QUALITY IN OUR AREA. OKAY. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IF YOU COULD HIGHLIGHT THOSE? BECAUSE THE ONLY THING I REMEMBER IS THE SHINGLE MOUNTAIN THING. YEAH, I CAN THAT WAS WATER RELATED AS WELL. YES, SIR. I CAN GET WITH MICHAEL GARNIER, WHO'S OUR DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, AND WE CAN GET SOME OF THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU AND MAYOR PRO TEM OR COUNCILOR BECK. I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER ONE QUESTION. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE REGIONAL SOLUTION. ONE OF THE CHECK MARKS ON THESE PERMITS ARE, IS THERE A REGIONAL SOLUTION AVAILABLE SO THAT THE PETITIONER HAS TO CHECK A BOX AND SAY, HEY, IS THERE A REGIONAL SOLUTION AVAILABLE? SO TC DOES TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND IT IS ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US TO HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE AREA. SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS WITH YOUR QUESTION. MR. MAYOR, MAY I FOLLOW UP ON THAT REAL QUICK? SURE. THANK YOU. SO DO WE HAVE A FEEL IF WE HAVE A REGIONAL SOLUTION AVAILABLE TO THEM? DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR THE COST DIFFERENTIALS ON THESE KINDS OF ROGUE THINGS TO I MEAN, ARE IS IT JUST ARE THEY TYPICALLY DOING THIS BECAUSE IT'S JUST SO MUCH

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CHEAPER THAN, THAN JOINING A REGIONAL APPROACH? OR WHY WOULDN'T THEY SIGN UP LIKE PONDER DID WITH THE REGIONAL APPROACH? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I WOULD ANYTHING I WOULD SAY WOULD BE A GUESS. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH, FAIR ENOUGH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH. SO THEN PICKING BACK UP, HELP ME EDUCATE PEOPLE WHEN THEY ASK. SO YOU GENERALLY TOUCH ON THE FACT THAT IT HAS IT COULD AFFECT OUR OUR SYSTEM. GOT THAT. MY QUESTION WOULD BE THE NEXT LEVEL TO THAT. DOES OUR PROCESS NOT OR WOULD OUR PROCESS NOT JUST ADDRESS THAT CONCERN. SO WATER IS LESS THAN GREAT COMES INTO OUR SYSTEM. WE THEN PROCESS IT. OR AM I THINKING ABOUT THAT WRONG. OUR TREATMENT PROCESSES CAN ADDRESS THAT. BUT WHAT THAT ULTIMATELY DOES IS IT ADDS MORE EXPENSE TO THE TREATMENT PROCESS. SO THE MORE SO SAY BACTERIAL CONTAMINATION, THE MORE BACTERIA YOU HAVE TO REMOVE, THE MORE EXPENSIVE IT IS TO TREAT THE WATER. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE CONCERN FOR THAT, THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE EXPENSE. AND THEN IF I HEARD YOU RIGHT ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT. SO IF ON THE WAY TO OUR SYSTEM IT WOULD AFFECT THOSE AREAS. AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE COULD ADDRESS. AM I, AM I TRACKING WITH YOU RIGHT OR IS THAT WRONG. IF SO.

SO IF THEY'RE ON THE OUTSIDE BEFORE THE WATER COMES DOWN TO OUR SYSTEM THROUGH SOME WATER SOURCE RIGHT BEFORE IT GETS TO US, IF IT'S AT A IF THE QUALITY IS LESS THAN GREAT THERE, IT AFFECTS EVERYTHING ALONG THE WAY TO. SO ASSUMING WE COULD TREAT IT ON THE WAY TO US, THERE'S THIS RIGHT. SO THROUGH THE ISSUE THROUGH THE REGIONAL SYSTEM WE WOULD COLLECT COLLECT THE WASTEWATER AND TRANSPORT IT TO OUR REGIONAL PLANT WHERE IT WOULD BE TREATED AND THEN DISCHARGED IN MOST CASES CLOSER TO THE LAKES. SO IT WOULD HAVE LESS OF AN UPSTREAM IMPACT WHERE THESE LOCALIZED SOLUTIONS SPREAD, SPREAD AROUND WHEN THEY DISCHARGE, THEY'RE IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE PRODUCING A LOW QUALITY EFFLUENT, IT HAS A WIDER RANGING EFFECT, BASICALLY THE ENTIRE WATERWAY FROM WHERE THEY DISCHARGE TO WHERE IT ENTERS THE LAKES. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THAT'S HELPFUL. AND THEN LASTLY, YOU TOUCHED ON THIS AND FORGIVE ME, I DIDN'T GET THE MEASUREMENT. YOU SAID UNDER 1 MILLION MEGA GIGAS OR SOMETHING. WHAT WAS THAT. UNDER 1 MILLION.

WHAT? SO UNDER 1 MILLION. UNDER A 1 MILLION GALLON DAILY DISCHARGE RATE. SO MOST OF THESE SMALLER REGIONAL PLANTS ARE DESIGNED FOR SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTS, AND MOST OF THEM ARE ABLE TO STAY UNDER THAT 1 MILLION GALLON DAILY RATE, WHICH NEGATES THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO MITIGATE ANY IMPACT THAT THAT WATER HAS ON THE. INTRODUCING THAT WATER INTO THE WATERSHED HAS ON THE STREAMS. SO WHO SETS THAT STANDARD? THAT'S SET THROUGH TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD THEN TALK TO OUR LEGISLATIVE GROUP ABOUT? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY IF THEY REPORT TO THE LEGISLATIVE GROUP, BUT IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THE 1 MILLION MARK IS, I HEAR YOU SAYING THE 1 MILLION MARK IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR. I'M GOING TO OVERSIMPLIFY ADDRESSING WHATEVER DAMAGE IS DONE IF THEY FLY UNDER THAT THRESHOLD, SO DOES THAT THRESHOLD NEED TO BE LOWERED? POTENTIALLY. YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT, STEVEN? STEVEN GAY, GENERAL MANAGER, WATER UTILITY, STREET OPERATIONS. THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADDRESS WITH OUR LOBBYIST. OKAY. BECAUSE I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE 1 MILLION DAILY DISCHARGE? OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE A REGIONAL SOLUTION. WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE THESE SMALLER PACKAGE PLANTS. WE CALL THEM PACKAGE PLANTS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT OUR WATERSHED. AND GOING BACK TO THE WATERSHED. WE HAVE A WATERSHED PROTECTION TEAM HERE WITHIN THE CITY THAT'S EMBEDDED WITHIN OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES GROUP. AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT MONITOR THE HEALTH OF THE WATERSHED. AS THE AS THOSE FLOWS MAKE THEIR WAY INTO LAKE LEWISVILLE AND LAKE RAY ROBERTS. OKAY. WELL AND SO I COULD I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO ONCE IF WE GET THERE. RIGHT. IF YOU'RE IF THERE'S A PROPOSAL OR IF THERE'S A SUGGESTION, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT, HEY, HERE'S WHERE WE THINK IT SHOULD BE BASED ON THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT, CURRENT SITUATION, CURRENT STATE, YOU KNOW, STATE OF EVENTS. AND THEN ALSO I WOULD LIKE AND IT WOULD HELP ME AGAIN, EDUCATE PEOPLE IF MAYBE THERE'S A QUARTERLY REPORT ON, YOU KNOW, OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE WATER ISSUES OR CONCERNS THAT THAT ARE POPPING UP. SO, SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THIS IS A ONE OFF, RIGHT, THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WE'RE NOT OVERREACHING. IT'S LIKE, HEY, NO, THESE THINGS HAPPEN REGULARLY. HERE'S WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF WE'RE NOT SENSITIVE ABOUT THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE THEN THAT'S HOW YOU GET THE PUBLIC ALSO INVOLVED AND

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MAKING SURE THEY'RE AND AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THAT SINGLE MOUNTAIN OUT THERE BY THE LAKE, I MEAN THE RESPONSE WAS DEAFENING, RIGHT? YOU HAD CITIZENS, YOU HAD EVERYBODY ON BOARD BECAUSE LIKE THIS, THESE PEOPLE HAD A HISTORY AND ALL THOSE THINGS. SO JUST KIND OF ARMING ME WITH INFORMATION TO THEN SHARE WITH PEOPLE. HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS PERIODICALLY. HERE'S HOW WE CAN INFORM OUR PUBLIC AND HERE'S WHAT WE'RE PROTECTING AGAINST. YES, SIR. VERSUS HEY, THIS COULD BE REALLY BAD. IT HAS BEEN REALLY BAD IN OTHER AREAS, I'M SURE. SO IT'S JUST, HEY, WE'RE TRYING TO GUARD AGAINST THESE THINGS WOULD BE WOULD BE HELPFUL. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A BUNCH OF WORK. BUT IF SOMEONE COULD SEND A, YOU KNOW, ON A FRIDAY REPORT ONCE A QUARTER OR SO, JUST KIND OF IT WOULD HELP. WE COULD FACILITATE THAT. OKAY. ALL THAT SAID, I MEAN, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT. AGAIN, I JUST NEEDED TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. MY INITIAL CONCERN WAS WE'RE WAY OUT OVER OUR SKIS AS FAR AS WHAT WE HAVE TO PROTECT AND DEFEND.

ET CETERA. ET CETERA. LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO BE TELLING SANGER WHAT TO DO. BUT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR ANSWERS. YOU KNOW, THE YOU KNOW HOW IT ALL COMES TOGETHER, THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

SO FAIR ENOUGH. AND THEN THE GENERAL POLICY I'M GOOD WITH. YEAH, BECAUSE IF SOMETHING WERE TO FALL OVER A SUMMER, I LIKE Y'ALL A LOT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK FOR, FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF AND UPDATED. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. YEAH. THAT CONCLUDES OUR AND I WILL BEFORE I DO THAT, IF THERE'S ANYTHING FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT MAC I WOULD ASK NOT THIS SPECIFIC CASE BUT THE POLICY GENERALLY LIKE HEY THE STATE LAW SAYS OR AND I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S IT'S NOT AKIN TO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW WITH THE, WITH THE ETJ AND ALL THOSE THINGS. I KNOW IT'S NOT THAT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IF THERE'S ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU HAVE CONCERN WISE OR JUST JUST MAKING SURE YOU'RE INVOLVED IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS ON THAT POLICY TO MAKE SURE WE SET UP WELL AND WE'RE IN A GOOD POSITION SUCH THAT WE GET SOMEONE THAT SAYS, HEY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, RIGHT, WAS VIOLATED. WE'VE THOUGHT THROUGH THOSE THINGS. YEAH, NO, IT'S ONE OF OUR FAVORITE SUBJECTS AND WE HAVE A GOOD ATTORNEY TO WORK ON IT. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO KEEP COUNSEL ABREAST OF ALL THE KIND OF CURRENT ISSUES AND ADDRESS THOSE. EXCELLENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THEN WE WILL. CAN I BORROW YOUR LANGUAGE? THANK YOU. OKAY. GOT IT. I'LL FACTOR THAT IN.

[1. Closed Meeting:]

OKAY. SO THE COUNCIL WILL NOW AT 4:22 P.M, CONVENE. AND IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT JUST A TIMER? YEAH, WE'LL CONVENE IN CLOSED MEETING AND DELIBERATION. CLOSED MEETING ITEMS SET FORTH IN AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING ID 242524. CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071. AND WE WILL TAKE A BREAK TO GRAB DINNER.

LET'S RECONVENE AT FIVE SO WE CAN TAKE. YEAH, YEAH, WE MAY HAVE AN ATTORNEY. LET ME CHECK BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY ON THE PHONE. HE'S ON THE PHONE. OKAY, WELL, THEN WE CAN EAT IN HERE. AND SO LET'S SAY, WHAT IS IT? IT'S 430 ISH, SO. OR CLOSE TO 430. SO LET'S SAY 440. IS THAT RIGHT? I CITY COUNCIL IS NOW AT 5:15 P.M. RECONVENING FROM THE CLOSED SESSION, AND NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN. AND WE WILL BE ADJOURNED UNTIL 630 WHEN WE RECONVENE IN COUNCIL

[AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED:]

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. TODAY IS TUESDAY, DECEMBER 17TH, 2024. WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO I'LL CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS PLEDGES TO THE UNITED STATES AND TEXAS FLAG. PLEASE STAND WITH ME IF YOU'RE ABLE. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND

[2. PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC]

INDIVISIBLE. OKAY. AND THEN THAT TAKES US TO PRESENTATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC. FIRST SPEAKER IS TRACY DUCKWORTH. TRACY. DUCKWORTH. OKAY. NEXT SPEAKER IS STACY HAG. STACY HAG. HAG. OKAY.

THIS IS OKAY. NEXT IS JOSEPH LANGLEY. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE. I SHOULD KNOW

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THIS BY NOW. FOUR MINUTES. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SEWAGE PLANT. THAT'S. CAN YOU JUST. CAN YOU ADJUST THE MIC DOWN FOR ME, PLEASE? AND THANK YOU. YES. AND THEN IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, JOSEPH LANGLEY. I'M ALSO CALLED JERRY LANGLEY. OKAY. I'M FROM RAINBOW VALLEY, WHICH IS EAST OF SANGER. I WANT THE CITY OF DENTON TO OPPOSE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY AND AM REQUESTING A CONTESTED CASE HEARING WITH TEXAS. WITH T-C-EQ. OUR MAIN CROSSINGS FLOOD SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR WITH FLOOD WATERS WITH A 950,000 GALLON A DAY OUTPUT. OUR COTTONWOOD CREEK AND ENOCH CREEK CROSSINGS WILL BE MUCH MORE SUBJECT TO FLOODING, CUTTING OFF MOST OF US FROM BADLY NEEDED 911 SERVICES SUCH AS FIRE DEPARTMENT, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND AMBULANCE. THE POLLUTION FROM THE DISCHARGE OF THIS SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT WOULD BE A HEALTH HAZARD FOR THE PERSONS LIVING IN RAINBOW VALLEY, WHO ARE REGULARLY IN PROXIMITY TO COTTONWOOD AND ENOCH CREEKS, AND EVEN MORE SO FOR THE NUMEROUS AND VARIOUS WILDLIFE WHO LIVE IN AND DRINK FROM THESE CREEKS. RAINBOW VALLEY IS A NATURE PRESERVE. ENOCH CREEK RUNS THROUGH A CONSERVATION EASEMENT JOINTLY ADMINISTERED BY TEXAS LAND CONSERVANCY AND RAINBOW VALLEY AGRICULTURAL COOPERATIVE. SINCE JUNE 21ST, 2005, COTTONWOOD CREEK RUNS THROUGH LAND THAT HAS BEEN REGISTERED PRAIRIE WITH THE NATIVE PRAIRIE ASSOCIATION OF TEXAS SINCE MAY 3RD, 2023. LESS THAN 1% OF ORIGINAL TEXAS BLACKLAND PRAIRIE STILL EXISTS ONCE IT HAS BEEN PLOWED OR OTHERWISE ALTERED BY DEVELOPMENT, IT CANNOT BE RESTORED OR RECREATED. LESS THAN 5% OF ORIGINAL FORT WORTH, ALSO KNOWN AS GRAND PRAIRIE, STILL EXISTS. RAINBOW VALLEY HAS SUBSTANTIAL PORTIONS OF EACH OF THESE CRITICALLY ENDANGERED SPECIES OF SOIL TYPE. COTTONWOOD AND ENOCH CREEK FLOW DIRECTLY INTO CLEAR CREEK, WHICH IS LISTED AS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SIGNIFICANT BODY OF WATER BY THE SIERRA CLUB. NOTICE OF THE PROPOSED WATER TREATMENT PLANT WAS RECEIVED AT THE RAINBOW VALLEY MAILBOX, OCTOBER 17TH, 2020, FOR THE 215 ACRES OF RAINBOW VALLEY AGRICULTURAL COOPERATIVE ARE JOINTLY OWNED BY SEVEN MEMBERSHIPS. THESE, TITLED LANDOWNERS WERE NOT GIVEN NOTICE IN A PROPER, HONEST, NON SNEAKY WAY, AND RAINBOW VALLEY IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED SITE OF THE PROPOSED WATER TREATMENT PLANT, AND WE GET ALL THE OUTFLOW FROM IT RIGHT INTO OUR CREEKS. BILL COBERLY AND GEORGE SHEFFIELD RECENTLY PASSED OUT FLIERS TO INFORM NEARBY NEIGHBORS OF THIS PROPOSED WATER. ACTUALLY, SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT, AND WERE ENTHUSIASTICALLY RECEIVED BY OUR NEARBY NEIGHBORS WHO WERE HEARING ABOUT IT FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME. ALL PERSONS SPOKEN TO WERE UNANIMOUSLY OPPOSED TO THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT. IN ADDITION TO THE NEARLY EXTINCT TEXAS BLACKLAND PRAIRIE AND ENDANGERED GRAND OR FORT WORTH PRAIRIE, WE HAVE NUMBERS OF AMERICAN BUMBLEBEES BUMBLEBEE, BOMBUS PENNSYLVANICUS. MASON BEES. OSMIA. MARYLAND, AND MONARCH BUTTERFLIES, ALL WHO HAVE FACED STEEPLY DECLINING NUMBERS IN RECENT YEARS. THANKS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRISTINE BRAY. AND COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. YEAH. CAN I GET THE DOCUMENT CAMERA? SURE.

BILLY, IF YOU COULD SHOW THE CAMERA, PLEASE. OKAY, SO I GAVE Y'ALL A PAPER COPY OF THIS WITH A QR CODE LINK. OH, BEFORE I BEGIN, I JUST WANT TO SAY TRACY DUCKWORTH HAS ARRIVED. SO IF YOU WANTED TO CALL HER AFTER ME. SO THIS IS A MAP OF PROPERTY TAX VALUE PER ACRE. PER PARCEL IN THE CITY OF DENTON. IF YOU SCAN THE QR CODE ON THE SHEET THAT I GAVE YOU ALL EARLIER, IT'LL TAKE YOU TO THAT. AS I'M SURE YOU ALL ARE AWARE, A LOT OF CITY SERVICES COST BY THE DISTANCE, RIGHT? ROADS COST BY THE MILE, WATER PIPES COST BY THE MILE, ELECTRICAL LINES COST BY THE MILE. WE HAVE RESPONSE TIME TARGETS FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. RIGHT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS THAT HOW FAR APART THINGS ARE FACTOR INTO HOW MUCH MONEY DENTON HAS TO SPEND ON

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THEM. SO THIS IS A MAP THAT SHOWS YOU HOW MUCH DOES THE CITY MAKE FROM A DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT NOW THIS IS ONLY PROPERTY TAX VALUES. BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT THING THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE CONSIDERING. RIGHT? WE'RE STRUGGLING TO PAY FOR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'RE RAISING OUR WATER RATES, WE'RE RAISING OUR ELECTRICAL RATES. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM IN THE CITY OF DENTON? AS I SAID, THIS IS ONLY ELECTRICAL OR SORRY, ONLY PROPERTY TAX NUMBERS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, SALES TAX ISN'T INCORPORATED INTO THIS. I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS. THOSE AREN'T PUBLIC. THERE ARE FIRMS OUT THERE THAT CAN GET THEM. THIS DOESN'T INCORPORATE. HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO AN AREA. THAT'S A VERY COMPLEX PROCEDURE THAT YOU CAN CALCULATE, NOT ME, BUT MORE QUALIFIED PEOPLE THAT THE CITY COULD HIRE. SO FOR SOME PEOPLE THEY THINK ABOUT GOVERNMENTS AS A BUSINESS. RIGHT. SO FOR ME THIS IS JUST HOW MUCH MONEY IS THE BUSINESS OF GOVERNMENT MAKING. RIGHT. THAT SEEMS LIKE AN IMPORTANT THING TO KNOW WHEN WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT THE WAY THAT THE CITY DEVELOPS. I DON'T HAVE HOW MUCH MONEY IS THE GOVERNMENT SPENDING? I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER SEEN, LIKE KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE DATA FOR THE CITY. SO AT LEAST THAT'S NOT LIKE THE BUDGET, RIGHT? THAT'S BROKEN DOWN BY HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO SERVE CERTAIN AREAS, CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT? I'M NOT AWARE THAT THOSE NUMBERS EXIST. I'VE WATCHED A LOT OF COUNCIL MEETINGS. I'M NOT AWARE OF THOSE NUMBERS EXISTENCE. I THINK THAT AGAIN, IF WE THINK OF THE CITY AS A GOVERNMENT, HOW MUCH ARE WE SPENDING FOR THE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS THAT WE OFFER, THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE SUPPORT? HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE RECEIVING FROM THEM? THAT SEEMS LIKE A VERY BASIC BUSINESS QUESTION, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT INFORMATION IS OUT THERE. SO I'VE, I AND OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ASKED FOR THIS OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW. NOW I HAVE THE ABILITY AND THE SKILLS TO ASSEMBLE SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND TO REALLY KIND OF DEMONSTRATE. BUT HERE, LET ME LET ME SHOW YOU A FIRM THAT DOES THIS. THIS IS A GRAPH THAT THEY PRODUCE FOR ANOTHER CITY. SO THIS IS JUST THEIR COST OF SERVICE ANALYSIS.

DOES THE CITY MAKE OR LOSE MONEY BY HAVING CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR CITY? THIS SEEMS LIKE A VERY BASIC THING THAT WE SHOULD KNOW AS WE GO ABOUT CITY PLANNING, AS WE GO ABOUT CONSIDERING THE BUDGET. AND I WOULD JUST ASK AGAIN THAT YOU GUYS COMMISSION SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR THE CITY OF DENTON SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO MAKE MORE INFORMED DECISIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO IF YOU SIGNED UP EARLIER, YOUR NAME WAS CALLED. YOU CAN COME DOWN AND SPEAK IF YOU'D LIKE. YEAH, MAN. IF YOU COULD GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. CHRISTINE IS TALL. MY NAME IS TRACY DUCKWORTH. I DON'T I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT HOMELESSNESS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY THAT I HAVEN'T SAID BEFORE. THIS IS MY SIXTH TIME BEING HERE, SAYING THE SAME THING. AND I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY ABOUT IT EARLIER, AND I LOOKED IT UP. ALBERT EINSTEIN SAYS THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT. AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING BY CONTINUING TO COME HERE AND SAY THE SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I DID SAY THAT I WOULD BRING ONE ISSUE FORTH WITH ME, AND SO THE ISSUE THAT GOT PULLED OUT OF THE HAT WAS THE ONE PEOPLE ARE YELLING ABOUT THE LOUDEST, THE LACK OF WI-FI. THERE'S NO WI-FI LIKE A PUBLIC WI-FI FOR AT OUR DAILY BREAD SHELTER. PARDON ME? FOR THE FOR THE RESIDENTS AND FOR THE GUESTS, WHATEVER. YOU KNOW, IT'S POLITICALLY CORRECT. THERE WAS AN EMAIL SENT AND RESPONDED TO SEND TO THE CITY MANAGER AND RESPONDED TO AND THE OFFICIAL RESPONSE FOR WHY THE GUEST WI-FI WAS DISCONNECTED OR, YOU KNOW, NO LONGER HAPPENING IS BECAUSE. THE STAFF COULDN'T GET THEIR WORK DONE BECAUSE THE GUESTS WERE DRAINING THE WI-FI. AND I'M NOT A TECHIE, I'M A DINOSAUR. AND SO BUT WHEN I PASSED THAT ANSWER ALONG, THE FIRST THING AND EVERYBODY STARTED SAYING IS, WHY ARE THE GUESTS IN THE STAFF ON THE SAME NETWORK? THAT'S A SECURITY, YOU KNOW, ISSUE ANYWAY. BUT THAT'S THE ISSUE ISSUE I'M BRINGING FORTH. ALSO, I WANT TO SAY MY PEOPLE WANT ME TO TURN TO SOCIAL MEDIA FOR THIS ISSUE FOR TO GET OUR VOICES HEARD. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE HEARD. THERE'S TWO SETS OF PEOPLE THAT I'M HEARING FROM, PEOPLE THAT ARE SCARED TO COME FORTH BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID TO LOSE BEDS, PRIVILEGES, GET RETALIATED

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AGAINST NARCISSISTICALLY LIKE I'M GETTING. AND THEN THERE'S THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT DON'T CARE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS ANYMORE. WE JUST WANT TO BE HEARD. ALSO, I TOLD MY FRIEND THAT I WOULD BRING HER A LITTLE BIT OF HER STORY WITH ME TONIGHT. STACY HOGUE, THE OTHER PERSON THAT WAS CALLED THAT DID NOT COME UP TO SPEAK, THAT IS A VERY CLOSE FRIEND OF MINE. SHE'S AN UNSHELTERED LADY WITH TWO GROWN AUTISTIC SONS, ALSO ON THE STREETS WITH HER, AND SHE'S GOT A LOT TO SAY. SHE WANTED TO COME HERE TONIGHT, BUT THIS IS A VERY INTIMIDATING PLATFORM. AND SHE BACKED OUT. AND SO REALLY, I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY THAT I HAVEN'T SAID BEFORE, PEOPLE WANT TO BE HEARD, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET PEOPLE HEARD ANONYMOUSLY ON A SAFE PLATFORM. I SCHEDULED TWO LISTENING MEETINGS WHERE I INVITED JOEL, AND I INVITED Y'ALL TO LISTEN TO HOMELESS PEOPLE. THE FIRST ONE, YOU KNOW, WAS A LONG TIME AGO, AND IT WAS EARLY IN MY ADVOCATING. THE SECOND ONE I CANCELED BECAUSE OF RETALIATION I WAS RECEIVING. AND SO I CANCELED IT, AND I SENT Y'ALL ALL AN EMAIL THAT I WAS CANCELING IT, AND WE DON'T WE DON'T WANT TO BE RETALIATED AGAINST. WE JUST WANT TO BE HEARD. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET MY PEOPLE SAFELY HEARD, BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PUT THEIR NAME ON THIS. AND YEAH, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT

[3. CONSENT AGENDA]

CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC SPEAKER SPEAKERS TAKES US TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. I'LL TAKE A MOTION. BUT FOR ITEM B REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT. BUT FOR ITEM B. IS THERE A SECOND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. SO SECOND OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES

[B. Consider nominations/appointments to the City’s Boards, Commissions, and Committees: Community Services Advisory Committee, Health & Building Standards Commission, Library Board, Planning & Zoning Commission, and Zoning Board of Adjustment.]

US TO ITEM B. WHICH IS. B ID 24508. CONSIDER NOMINATIONS APPOINTMENTS TO THE CITY'S BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES. I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR EVERYTHING. EVERYONE EXCEPT FOR. WHAT? YES, I'M GOING TO TAKE EVERYONE. BUT FOR THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE. ONE PERSON.

SO. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. SORRY. I'LL TAKE A MOTION. BUT FOR EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR MY NOMINATION TO THE LIBRARY BOARD. IS THERE IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT TWO? I SO MOVE THAT REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR EVERYTHING. BUT FOR MY APPOINTMENT TO THE LIBRARY BOARD, VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES 7 TO 0 TAKES US TO MY APPOINTMENT TO THE LIBRARY BOARD. THERE IS ONE CARD I'LL. BUT I'LL I'LL DEFER ON THAT. ANY ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC SPEAKER. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO VOTE. NO MOTION. RIGHT. IS WE'RE IN DISCUSSION.

RIGHT. OKAY. NO NOT YET. I WANT TO GET ALL THE DISCUSSION OUT IF THERE'S ANY IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, THEN LET'S DO THAT. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH I'LL JUST REPEAT WHAT I SAID IN WORK SESSION. MAYBE EXPAND THAT A LITTLE BIT. I HAD AN EXTENDED CONVERSATION WITH THE NOMINEE, AND I FOUND HER TO BE REASONABLE, CONSTRUCTIVE AND NOT AS ADVERTISED BY BY HER DETRACTORS. WE SPOKE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION OF A YOUNG PERSON. WHO'S A GAY YOUNG PERSON WANTING TO SEE THEIR IDENTITY AFFIRMED IN BOOKS THAT ARE IN THE LIBRARY. AND WE FOUND COMMON GROUND ON THAT. WE HAVE WE FOUND COMMON GROUND ON SEEING OUR LIBRARIES AS MORE MOSTLY ON THE RIGHT TRACK. AND I, I TOOK IT AS OUR CONVERSATION, AS A

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COMMITMENT TOWARD DIALOG, CONSTRUCTIVE DIALOG AND PROBLEM SOLVING. SO I'LL BE I'LL BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICANT OR THE NOMINEE. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. THANK YOU. I MET ELLEN SULLIVAN AS I SAT NEXT TO HER AT DATCU STADIUM. WE HAVE SAT NEXT TO EACH OTHER FOR WHATEVER THAT IS 13, 14 YEARS. RARELY, RARELY MISSING A GAME. I HAVE FOUND MISS SULLIVAN TO BE A LOVELY WOMAN. SHE IS A MOM, A GRANDMOTHER. SHE IS A FORMER ENGLISH AND ART TEACHER IN THE HOUSTON AREA. SHE IS MARRIED TO A MAN WHO IS A FORMER PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER AND COACH. I HAVE HAD DINNER IN HER HOME. SHE HAS HAD DINNER IN MINE. WE'VE TRAVELED TOGETHER. I'VE NEVER ONCE THOUGHT OF HER AS BEING ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT I WOULD DESCRIBE AS A LOVELY PERSON. I SUGGEST THAT I MIGHT KNOW HER BETTER THAN ANYBODY UP HERE, AND I'M REALLY I'M REALLY VERY EMBARRASSED THAT THAT WE'RE EVEN HAVING TO GO THROUGH THIS BECAUSE. BECAUSE A PERSON WHO LIVES A LIFE WELL LIVED SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS. SO I'M ANXIOUS TO WHEN CALLED UPON, I'M ANXIOUS TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THIS, FOR THIS APPROVAL. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. THANKS, MAYOR. SO THE PRACTICE HAS NORMALLY BEEN THAT IT IS SIMPLY A MATTER OF CUSTOMARY PROCEDURE, THAT WHEN ONE OF US NOMINATES SOMEONE, THE REST OF US VOTE IN AFFIRMATION TO CONFIRM. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, BECAUSE OF, QUITE FRANKLY, BECAUSE OF FRICTION BETWEEN THE MAYOR AND I, HE NO LONGER GETS THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT FROM ME. IF HE SAID WATER IS WET, I GOT TO GO PUT MY HAND IN THE WATER AND MAKE SURE THE WATER IS WET, QUITE FRANKLY. SO WHAT THAT MEANT FOR ME IN THIS PROCESS WAS I CALLED THE NOMINEE. AND LIKE MAYOR PRO TEM, I HAD AN EXCELLENT CONVERSATION WITH HER, SPENT HALF AN HOUR TALKING WITH HER. THIS IS SOMEONE THAT I ALREADY PLAN TO TALK MORE WITH IN THE FUTURE. I'M SATISFIED THAT THIS IS A GOOD NOMINATION, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. WHEN I ASKED HER WHY SHE WANTED TO BE ON THE LIBRARY BOARD, SHE SAID BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO MAKE, TO ENCOURAGE YOUNG PEOPLE TO MAKE MORE USE OF OUR PUBLIC LIBRARIES, TO HELP SUPPORT PROGRAMS THAT ENCOURAGE KIDS TO READ MORE. I'M SATISFIED THAT THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD EXPECT OF THOSE NOMINEES. THAT SHOULD BE PUT UP FOR THE LIBRARY BOARD. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ANYONE ELSE BUT HER. I DO NOT, AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD JUDGE SOMEONE BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OF ONE OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS. I DON'T KNOW THIS WOMAN'S SON. I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WOMAN BEFORE TODAY. BUT WHAT I'M NOT GOING TO DO IS HOLD HER ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE VIEWS, FOR THE PERCEIVED VIEWS OF HER SON, WHO I ALSO DON'T KNOW. YES, I'M AWARE OF THE REPUTATION, BUT AS I'VE SAID IN THE SEAT FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, I HAVE COME TO UNDERSTAND MORE THAN ONCE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT ALWAYS THE PERCEIVED PERSONA THAT THEY GET IN THE PUBLIC. I'M WILLING TO VOTE ON THIS NOMINEE BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER MAYOR THE NEXT TERM, AND I'M SATISFIED THAT IF THE PUBLIC HAS A PROBLEM WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THAT MISS SULLIVAN SUPPORTS, I'M CONFIDENT THAT THAT PERSON WHO SITS IN PLACE SEVEN WILL MAKE ANOTHER NOMINATION TO THIS BOARD. THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE PROCEDURE. SO I TOO WILL BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS NOMINATION. I WISH HER THE BEST. I HOPE SHE DOES A GREAT JOB.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. THANK YOU, COUNCILPERSON JESTER. I DID RECEIVE A FEW EMAILS REGARDING THIS NOMINATION AND I REPLIED TO THEM AND ASKED FOR ANY INFORMATION THEY MAY HAVE OF ANYTHING THAT HAD BEEN SAID BY THIS NOMINEE OR WRITTEN BY THIS NOMINEE THAT SHOWED SOME KIND OF SPECIFIC AGENDA WITH THIS BOARD AND WHAT DID NOT RECEIVE THAT, IT SEEMED TO BE, AGAIN, JUST ARGUING BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OR VIEWS OF A RELATIVE. AND I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO EXPRESS WHY I'M VOTING THE WAY I'M VOTING IN THAT I'M NOT GOING TO JUDGE SOMEONE AND PREVENT THEM FROM A VOLUNTEER POSITION BECAUSE OF THE VIEWS OR THE ACTIONS OF THEIR RELATIVE. I HAVE VOTED DIFFERENTLY THAN MY HUSBAND. I

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CERTAINLY DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH MY PARENTS AND THEIR VOTING. AND SO I'M GOING TO ALLOW THIS CITIZEN TO STAND ON THEIR OWN, KNOWING THAT IF THERE ARE ISSUES IN THE FUTURE, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, ANYONE CAN NOT BE RE-UPPED. THERE ARE TERMS FOR A REASON. SHE'S ONE OF SEVEN AND A FORMER SCHOOL TEACHER. I READ THE QUOTES, AS DID OTHERS IN THE NEWSPAPER TODAY, WHICH REALLY HEARTENED ME AS A FORMER SCHOOL TEACHER, THAT SHE IS OPEN TO DIALOG. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WANTING A DIVERSITY OF OPINION, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE MEAN. AND IT DOESN'T MEAN WHEN WE SAY THAT EVERYONE IN DENTON IS WELCOME. YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION AS LONG AS WE ARE RESPECTFUL TO EACH OTHER. AND SO I WILL BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS. HOWEVER, I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT I ALWAYS DO APPRECIATE INPUT FROM CITIZENS, AND I ALWAYS WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE THOUGHTS ARE, BECAUSE I WANT TO EITHER BE ABLE TO RESPOND OR SEE A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW. SO THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. I'M GOING TO COME AT THIS FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE. I DID RECEIVE EMAILS FROM CONSTITUENTS, BUT I HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH THE PERSON IN QUESTION AND HAVEN'T REALLY HAD VERY MUCH CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I AM ALWAYS IN AWARENESS OF AND WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF IS THE CHATTER. THE CHATTER AROUND PEOPLE. AND WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE APPOINT PEOPLE TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF ROUTINE. SOMEBODY COMES ON, SOMEBODY COMES OFF. WE'RE VETTING SOMEONE. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK FOR SOMETHING.

BUT WHAT MY ISSUE IS IN OBSERVATION IS, IS THAT SOMETIMES SOME PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF CHATTER AROUND THEM. THEY HAVE A LOT OF A LOT OF TALKING AROUND THEM. AND IF SOME OF IT APPEARS TO BE MORE NEGATIVE AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME THAT ARE POSITIVE, THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, JUST WEIGH WHAT YOU KNOW. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, FOR ME, IT JUST APPEARS THAT THERE'S A LOT GOING ON WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL. I'M SURE YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HER PERSONALLY. I'VE HEARD SOME GREAT THINGS ABOUT HER, BUT I'M JUST NOT REAL COMFORTABLE WITH ALL THE TALK AROUND A PARTICULAR PERSON. THIS HAPPENS TO US PERIODICALLY, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHO IS THIS PERSON FITTING. YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IN THIS CITY. SO I'M GOING TO BE VOTING NO. NO SURPRISE, BUT I CERTAINLY DO WISH WHOEVER THE MAYOR BRINGS UP, IT COULD BE SOMEONE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF CONTROVERSY AROUND THEM. IT'S SOMEONE THAT CAN COME IN SMOOTHLY AND BE ABLE TO FIT IN COMFORTABLY AND GET THE JOB DONE. NOT SAYING THIS PERSON IS NOT DOING THAT, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I HAVE MY REASONS, SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY WHAT I SAID AT THE WORK SESSION. I REVIEWED THE BACKUP MATERIALS. I DID A LITTLE INVESTIGATION OF MY OWN ABOUT THE NOMINEE. I HAD A 20 30 MINUTE PHONE CALL WITH THE NOMINEE. I REVIEWED THE FEEDBACK THAT WAS PROVIDED ME BY THE COMMUNITY. AND AT THIS TIME, I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE NOMINEE. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, WE HAVE ONE CARD, MISS ERICA GARLAND. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. I THINK I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO MISS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. MR. MAYOR, I'M PLEASED TO SUPPORT MY FRIEND ELLEN SULLIVAN FOR THE FOR THE OPEN POSITION ON THE LIBRARY BOARD. THANK YOU. I'LL SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES FIVE, TWO TAKES US TO PUBLIC

[A. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas approving the creation of ecological mitigation plan for the permanent removal and temporary disturbance of ecologically important areas, known as Environmentally Sensitive Areas (ESAs). The subject site, formerly known as Hunter Ranch, is generally on approximately 3,152 acres of land, generally located on both sides of I-35W, between Robson Ranch Road and Vintage Boulevard in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the city’s official environmentally sensitive areas map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [4-1] to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Ellis and second by Commissioner Thaggard. (AESA24-0003c, Landmark ESA Mitigation Plan, Christi Upton)]

HEARINGS, FIRST OF WHICH IS ITEM A, AESA240003C, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, APPROVING THE CREATION OF AN ECOLOGICAL MITIGATION PLAN FOR THE PERMANENT REMOVAL AND TEMPORARY DISTURBANCE OF ECOLOGICALLY IMPORTANT AREAS KNOWN AS ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL

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MICHAEL GAGNER, WITH ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AND SUSTAINABILITY HERE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ISA 24 THREE. WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TONIGHT IS TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AN ALTERNATIVE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS PLAN FOR THE LANDMARK DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS FORMERLY KNOWN AS HUNTER RANCH. THIS IS A OVER 3000 ACRE DEVELOPMENT. THIS ALTERNATIVE ESA PLAN ACTUALLY EMBRACES THE MASTER PLAN CONCEPT AND LOOKS HOLISTICALLY ACROSS THOSE 3000 ACRES, IDENTIFIES 78 DIFFERENT IMPACTS, AND WITHIN THOSE 78 DIFFERENT IMPACTS, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO OFFSET THOSE IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. TEMPORARY IMPACTS WILL BE IN SITU RESTORATION OR REPAIRED IN PLACE, WHEREAS PERMANENT REMOVAL WILL BE IN-KIND MITIGATION ON ANOTHER AREA OF THE PROPERTY. AND I'LL GET INTO THAT IN MORE DETAIL. JUST AS A REMINDER, LANDMARK DEVELOPMENT IS THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY THAT MPC OR MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY OUTLINES HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL OCCUR. DIFFERENT WAYS BASICALLY REPLACES THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. WITHIN THAT THEY OUTLINED DIFFERENT PROVISIONS, ONE OF WHICH IS HOW CROSS TIMBERS UPLAND HABITAT WILL BE ADDRESSED. THAT WAS PART OF THE MPC AND IS NOT PART OF THIS ALTERNATIVE ESA PLAN, BECAUSE THAT WAS ALREADY ADDRESSED IN THE MPC, WHICH WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2020. GENERALLY SPEAKING, LANDMARK IF YOU DON'T KNOW, COVERS OR OVERLAPS 35 W ON THE SOUTHERN END IS ROUGHLY ROBSON RANCH ROAD AND ON THE NORTHERN SIDE ALIGNS EARLY WITH VINTAGE BOULEVARD, AND THE PROCESS OF ESTABLISHING ESAS ACROSS THE PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF TO IDENTIFY THE REMAINING THREE TYPES OF ESAS OR ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS SUMMARIZED ON THIS TABLE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK ACROSS THE PROPERTY, YOU CAN SEE UNDER HIGHLIGHTED A LITTLE BIT BRIGHTER COLORS WITHIN THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY OUTLINED IN BLACK, THERE'S ROUGHLY 500 TOTAL ACRES OF ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS BY TYPE. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK FROM THE TOP AND LOOK DOWN, THOSE LAYERS CAN OVERLAP EACH OTHER. SO BY LAND, IT'S ROUGHLY 399 ACRES OF LAND. AGAIN, AS A REMINDER, THE REASON CROSS TIMBERS UPLAND HABITAT IS NOT ON THIS SLIDE IS THAT WAS COVERED IN THE MPC. THERE'S NO REQUEST FOR CHANGES OF THAT MPC. THE APPLICANT WORKED THROUGH ALL THOSE IDENTIFIED ESAS AND LOOKED AT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO IMPACT THOSE, AND IDENTIFIED BOTH TEMPORARY AND PERMANENT IMPACTS.

AGAIN, THAT'S 75 DIFFERENT PROJECT AREAS ACROSS THE OVER 3000 ACRE DEVELOPMENT. WE DID A LITTLE ZOOM IN HERE IN THE BACKUP DOCUMENTATION. THERE'S NUMBERS ON THE MAP. THOSE NUMBERS CORRESPOND WITH AN ACTIVITY ALONG WITH AN ACREAGE ESTIMATE FOR EVERY ONE OF THOSE IMPACTS. AGAIN, THERE'S PERMITTED TYPES OF IMPACTS IN THE MPC AND NON-PERMITTED. THE NON PERMITTED ARE SUMMARIZED ON THIS TABLE. THIS IS WHAT THIS ALTERNATIVE ESA PLAN ADDRESSES.

IT ALLOWS STAFF TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND ENFORCE THAT PART OF OUR PROVISIONS IN THE NEW ORDINANCE. SO AGAIN THERE'S ROUGHLY 580 ACRES BY ESA TYPE ACROSS THE 3000 ACRES THERE.

IMPACTS RIGHT NOW ARE PROPOSED OR PROJECTED AT ROUGHLY 40 ACRES. AND THAT'S BY ESA TYPE.

SO A REMINDER ESA OVERLAP. AND THEY'RE GOING TO OFFSET THOSE IN THOSE TWO WAYS.

WE MENTIONED EARLIER IN SITU OR IN PLACE OR IN KIND. MITIGATION IN SITU IS JUST WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IN PLACE WHERE IT IS. IT'S FOR TEMPORARY. AND BASICALLY IT'S USUALLY OVERSEEDING WHEN WE GET TO IN-KIND MITIGATION. THEY HAVE ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED LAND. MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR ON HERE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER OF THE SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. AND THEY'VE IDENTIFIED THE NORTHWEST CORNER TO BE WHERE THEY WANT TO DO THEIR IN-KIND MITIGATION. AGAIN AT A 1 TO 1 RATIO BY ESA TYPE ESAS CAN OVERLAP. AND WHAT I MEAN THERE IS YOU COULD HAVE ONE ACRE OF FLOODPLAIN, ONE ACRE OF RIPARIAN. IF THEY OVERLAP, THAT'S ONE ACRE OF LAND BUT TWO ACRES OF ESA. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. WE'RE DOING IT BY ESA TYPES TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING BACK IN PLACE EVERYTHING THAT'S DISTURBED. ONE OTHER KEY ASPECT OF THIS MAP IS IF YOU SEE THESE LITTLE AREAS THAT HAVE DASHED LINES OR RED OUTLINES, THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE IDENTIFYING WHERE THEY CAN CREATE NEW WATER RELATED HABITAT. SO THEY ACTUALLY WILL BE CREATING SOME NEW ESA AS WELL AS IMPROVING OR UPLIFTING THE OTHER EXISTING ESAS IN THIS AREA AT A 1 TO 1 RATE PER ESA TYPE. WHAT WHAT DO WE MEAN BY AN IMPROVEMENT THAT CAN GRADE, THAT CAN IMPROVE THE STREAM BANKS. THEY CAN ACTUALLY PUT IN POCKET WETLANDS DIFFERENT THINGS. THEY CAN PLANT ALL KINDS OF NATURAL HABITAT PLANTS THROUGHOUT THAT AREA, INCLUDING SHRUBS, GRASSES,

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THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES ON HERE, AND A LOT MORE DETAIL IN THE PLAN OF WHAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE AND HOW THEY'LL DO THAT. FOR STAFF, THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN HOW WE HANDLE SMALLER PROJECTS, EXCEPT HERE WE HAVE 78 DIFFERENT IMPACTS THAT WILL BE SPREAD OUT OVER 2050, HOWEVER MANY DIFFERENT PHASES. SO AS EACH PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION STARTS, WE'LL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT DEVELOPMENT ENTAILS, WHAT ESAS WILL BE IMPACTED AND WHAT EITHER RESTORATION IN SITU RESTORATION WILL BE NECESSARY, OR WHAT IN-KIND MITIGATION WILL BE REQUIRED. THEN AS THAT PROGRESSES AS WELL, WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S DOCUMENTED ON THE PLATS. WE'RE GOING TO TIE THE MITIGATION BACK TO THE IMPACT. WE'RE GOING TO TIE THE IMPACT BACK TO THE MITIGATION. SO BOTH DOCUMENTS THE AREA WHERE THEY CONSTRUCT AND BUILD AND DO DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE REFERENCES ON HOW WE ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. THE MITIGATION AREA WILL TIE BACK TO THAT SAYING, THIS IS WHY THIS IS HERE AND SHOULD BE PROTECTED. SO BOTH WILL BE THERE AGAIN. EVERYTHING WILL BE A 1 TO 1 AT THE END OF THIS. AS USUAL, ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES STAFF WILL REVIEW THE AREA TO MAKE SURE IT ACTUALLY MEETS THE CONDITIONS AND THEN DO FINAL ACCEPTANCE. NOTIFICATIONS WERE MADE IN ADVANCE OF THIS MEETING. WE DID HAVE 15 IN OPPOSITION, ONE IN FAVOR. WHILE THE SLIDE SHOWS NO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, THAT WAS DURING THE POSTING OR NOTIFICATION TIME PERIOD. THE APPLICANT DID HAVE A MEETING WITH ROBSON RANCH BACK IN SEPTEMBER TO DISCUSS THEIR OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. IT WAS JUST IN ADVANCE OF THIS NOTIFICATION WINDOW. SO WHAT ARE WE RECOMMENDING BOTH STAFF AND THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION ARE BOTH RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS ALTERNATIVE ESA PLAN, WITH THE CONDITIONS OUTLINED IN THE ORDINANCE. AND SOME OF THOSE HIGHLIGHTS ARE THAT, AGAIN, TEMPORARY AND PERMANENT IMPACTS.

BOTH WILL BE ACCOUNTED FOR UNDER THE PLAN AND IMPROVED ACCORDING TO THE PLAN. PLANTINGS OR WORK TO OFFSET ANY IMPACTS WILL COMMENCE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, SO THEY'LL BE TIED TOGETHER AGAIN. WE'RE BACK TO THE ONE BY ONE BY ESA TYPE, SO EVERY IMPACT FOR IN-KIND MITIGATION WILL BE OFFSET 1 TO 1. ALL RELATED PLATS WILL HAVE NOTES ON IT FOR ENFORCEMENT. THE PROPERTY OWNER REMAINS RETAINS FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MITIGATION AREA. AND THERE'S OTHER SMALLER DETAILS THROUGHOUT THAT ORDINANCE. SO AGAIN, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF AND PLANNING AND ZONING IS APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS OUTLINED IN YOUR BACKUP. WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. FIRST, LET ME SAY THAT I THINK THAT I MEAN, IT'S 65 PAGES. I KNOW IT'S A IT'S A IT'S AN MPC, BUT IT'S STILL THERE'S A LOT OF WORK HERE. THERE'S CLEARLY BEEN A LOT OF THOUGHT PUT INTO IT. SO I WANT TO COMMEND TO SOME DEGREE S STAFF AND THE DEVELOPERS FOR PUTTING A LOT OF WORK INTO IT. I DID HAVE LIKE MORE OF THEM HELP ME UNDERSTAND TYPE QUESTIONS. IT SEEMED LIKE AND AGAIN, I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO THIS EARLIER, THE UPLAND HABITAT. I APPRECIATE THAT MINUS MAYBE SOME SOME HISTORICAL DEGRADATION OF THE UPLAND HAB AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT SEEMS REALLY OKAY. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAUSED ME JUST SOME QUESTIONS IS IT DID SEEM LIKE. YOU'RE CHANGING THE DRAINAGE CHARACTERISTICS SUCH THAT YOU'RE MOVING A MORE ACTIVE RIPARIAN WETLANDS AREA TO A LESS ACTIVE, DRIER AREA. AND THOSE HAVE DIFFERENT SPECIES TYPES, DIFFERENT DIFFERENT WETLANDS CHARACTERISTICS. SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND DID WE JUST LINE IT UP RIPARIAN TO RIPARIAN, OR DID WE TRY TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT WERE PRESENT IN, IN THE IMPROVEMENT AND IN THE PLAN? AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A, THAT'S A YOU QUESTION OR A DEVELOPER QUESTION. IT'S A LITTLE OF BOTH.

SO WITHIN IT THEY'VE IDENTIFIED THIS LARGER AREA IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER BECAUSE IN THEIR PROFESSIONAL OPINION AND ALL THEIR RESEARCH, BY DOING IT IN A CONCERTED AREA, THEY'LL HAVE A HIGHER SUCCESS RATE WITH THIS UPLIFT. IT'S ALSO AN AREA THAT TIES TO OFF DEVELOPMENT GREEN SPACE WHERE COLE RANCH COMES INTO IT, ROBSON RANCH TO THE WEST, DIFFERENT THINGS. SO IT TIES IN WITH THAT CONTINUITY BELT ALONG THERE. ALSO, THEY CHOSE THIS BECAUSE PARTS OF THE NORTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY WERE A HIGHER QUALITY HABITAT DURING THE FIELD ASSESSMENTS, SO THEY FELT THAT WE MIGHT DO MORE HARM THAN GOOD BY DISTURBING THOSE AREAS. SO THEY WANT TO DO A FOCUSED EFFORT IN THIS BANK. BUT THE APPLICANT CAN ATTEST TO, IF YOU PREFER. I WOULDN'T MIND HEARING THE OTHER VERSION. AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, BUT BUT MAYBE ANSWER THAT PIECE

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WHEN WE WHEN WE DO A 1 TO 1 CORRESPONDENCE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE, DO DO WE HAVE TO MATCH SPECIFIC SUBTYPES OR JUST THE GENERAL CATEGORY, JUST THE GENERAL CATEGORY AS DEFINED WITHIN THE MPC. AND. WELL, I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION. I'LL ASK YOU THAT OFFLINE LATER. I WOULD I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THEY'RE HERE TO MAKE A COMMENT. READY FOR QUESTIONS FIRST, MAYOR. OR IF YOU WANT ME TO ASK THE APPLICANT UP. WELL, IF YOU WANT TO GO AROUND THE DAIS OR DO YOU WANT ME TO ASK THE APPLICANT, LET ME. LET'S GO AROUND THE DAIS. THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET ALL THE QUESTIONS AND THEY CAN GET IT ONE FATAL SWOOP. FULLY HEARD.

YEP. THEN I HAVE ONE LAST FOR THE STAFF BEFORE WE DO THAT, SIR. YEAH, OKAY. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, MAYBE THIS IS A MONITORING THING. THIS IS THE REASON I WANT AN APPLICANT THING. IT'S THE REASON I WANT TO GET IT OUT. NOW, BEFORE WE GO AROUND THE DAIS IS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAINTAINING THESE. I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT THE MONITORING AND SPECIES PRESERVATION PLANS WERE SO THAT WE CAN SEE THE IMPACTS THAT WE'RE HAVING. SO IS THAT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, OR IS THAT A DEVELOPER QUESTION? I'D HAVE TO ASK STAFF TO SPEAK TO THE REAL DETAILS. BUT WE HAVE SURVIVAL RATES CALLED OUT FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT PLANTINGS. THEY HAVE TO START IT IN COMMENCEMENT. JUST LIKE OTHER ALTERNATIVE ESA PLANS, THEY HAVE A THREE YEAR PERIOD TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE MONITORING THAT, SHOWING THAT AND REPORTING THAT TO US. AND AFTER THAT THREE YEAR PERIOD, STAFF WILL THEN GO REVIEW THE AREA AND ACCEPT IT IF IT MEETS THOSE CONDITIONS. ALL RIGHT. IS THAT ENOUGH DETAIL? I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THAT'S GOOD FOR NOW. I MIGHT I MIGHT FOLLOW UP WITH THE DEVELOPER LATER WHEN THE MAYOR ASKS FOR IT. REPRESENTATIVE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. I JUST WANT TO COMMEND STAFF FOR THE BACKUP MATERIALS, WHICH WERE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL AND THOROUGH. I LEARNED A LOT. I GOOGLED THINGS AND LEARNED WHAT CERTAIN WORDS WERE I WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH, BUT IT WAS VERY HELPFUL. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN THE OPPOSITION. I DID GO THROUGH THOSE BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS, AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT A LOT OF IT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHICH I GET THE THEIR PROPERTY VALUES, THE EFFECT OF THIS ON THEIR PROPERTY VALUES AND THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT NOTHING WOULD BE BUILT HERE. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU OR SOMEONE FROM ONE OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS CAN SPEAK TO. I MEAN, I DON'T IMAGINE THE CITY WOULD EVER SAY NO ONE IS GOING TO BUILD HERE, OR THAT SOMEONE CAN MOVE SOMEWHERE AND JUST ASSUME THAT IF THEY DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, SOMEONE'S GOING TO NOT BUILD THERE. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT ALSO, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS MIGHT HAVE COME FROM AND WHERE THAT DOES COME UP FROM TIME TO TIME WHERE PEOPLE, BY HEARING, BY LAND AND HEAR, SEE GREEN SPACE AND THINK IT'LL BE THERE IN PERPETUITY. AND THAT'S USUALLY NOT THE CASE. NOW, ACROSS THIS 3000 ACRE DEVELOPMENT, THEY ARE GOING TO BE PRESERVING A MINIMUM OF THAT 580 540 OF THE THREE DIFFERENT ESA TYPES, AS WELL AS THE AGREED UPON CROSS TIMBERS UPLAND HABITAT. SO A LOT OF THE BUFFER AREAS IN SOME OF THESE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE HAD QUESTIONS WILL STAY GREEN, SO THEIR VIEW MIGHT NOT CHANGE THAT MUCH. HOWEVER, THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT HAS REALLY BEEN ENVISIONED. IT'S BEEN PART OF THE COMP PLAN AS WELL FOR THAT USE FOR THAT AREA.

SO I DON'T THINK IT WAS EVER STATED THAT IT WOULD NOT BE DEVELOPED. AND WERE YOU PRESENT AT ANY OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT TOOK PLACE? I WAS NOT AT THE AGAIN, THERE WASN'T A COMMUNITY MEETING DURING THE NOTICE PERIOD, BUT THE ONE THAT WAS HELD WAS IN SANTA BARBARA WAS NOT THERE, BUT THE APPLICANT WOULD PROBABLY BE WILLING TO COMMENT ON THAT. BUT THEY MET WITH ROBSON RANCH TO DISCUSS THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. YEAH. WELL, WHAT I WANTED TO ALSO SAY IS JUST IT SEEMS THAT A LOT OF THE WORK WAS FRONT LOADED, WHICH IS JUST A REAL EFFICIENT USE OF OUR STAFF TIME. AND THAT AS OPPOSED TO COMING IN ONE BY ONE FOR EACH OF THESE, I MEAN THAT THAT BURDEN WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING ELSE. AND THE THOUGHT THAT IT'S 1 TO 1, EVEN THOUGH THERE CAN BE MORE THAN ONE ON ONE ACRE. SO THEY'RE KIND OF DOING EVEN MORE THAN I THINK COULD BE REQUIRED. THAT IS VERY APPRECIATED. ALSO NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, PLANNING AND ZONING IS ALSO IN FAVOR OF THIS. BUT AND THEN I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BECK, AS FAR AS WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT THE MONITORING, BUT I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH WHAT I SAW IN THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND JUST WANTED TO AGAIN COMMEND STAFF FOR THEIR THOROUGHNESS IN HELPING US MAKE GOOD DECISIONS.

THANK YOU. MAY TAKE 10S. I JUST WANT TO THANK KRISTY UPTON FOR BEING THE LEAD ON THAT. SHE IS HERE TONIGHT AS WELL. SHE DID A LOT OF THAT HEAVY LIFTING ALONG WITH MY WATERSHED PROTECTION GROUP. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF STAFF BEHIND THE SCENES MAKING THIS HAPPEN. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU.

ANY ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. IF WE CAN HAVE WHOEVER WANTS TO BE THE SPOKESPERSON COME UP. DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT. JUST MAKE SURE THAT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. HOW ARE YOU ALL?

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HELLO. VERY WELL. KIMBERLY COLE, VICE PRESIDENT, DEVELOPMENT, HILLWOOD PROPERTIES ONE. I WANTED TO THANK MICHAEL AND KRISTY AND ALL THEIR EFFORTS OVER THE LAST 14 MONTHS WE'VE WORKED. WE STARTED WORKING WITH THEM IN SEPTEMBER OF 23 ON THIS PROJECT. WE HAVE WE TOURED THEM AROUND MANY RESTORATION PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE AT ALLIANCE TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AND PROPOSING HERE. WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS VERY CLEAR OF THE AREAS THAT WE WERE PROPOSING OUR RESTORATION PROJECTS IN WITH THEM. WE WERE VERY DILIGENT IN HOW WE WORKED TOGETHER. TO COME BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH OUR PROPOSAL. SO I THINK I'VE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTARY AROUND OUR PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF YOU ALL TONIGHT. I THINK IN JUST ENCAPSULATE WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS ON AND OUR GOALS. WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS BEFORE, BEFORE YOU ALL WAS ONE, PRESERVATION AND TRYING TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF OUR ESSAY AREAS THAT WE HAD THAT WE COULD. AND I THINK WE'VE AVOIDED A TON OF IMPACTS THAT HONESTLY, SOME DEVELOPERS PROBABLY WOULD HAVE JUST NOT WORRIED ABOUT. WE'RE PRESERVING ALMOST 90% OF THE EXISTING AREAS THAT EXIST WITHIN OUR PROPERTY. WE'VE WORKED HARD TO DEDICATE ABOUT A THIRD OF OUR LAND TO OPEN SPACE AND PRESERVATION, WITH THOUGHTFUL MASTER PLAN THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SINCE 2020 AND WILL CONTINUE AND CONTINUE, CONTINUE TO INVOLVE.

I THINK THAT. SORRY, I GOT IT. I THINK THAT WE'VE SHOWN THROUGHOUT THE LAST 30 YEARS THAT WE'VE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO QUALITY, AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT COMMITMENT. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER STEP FORWARD FOR US IN OUR DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM HERE AT LANDMARK. AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP WITH ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'LL JUST REPEAT THE TWO GENERAL ONES. I GUESS THE FIRST ONE I HAD WAS SORT OF THIS THIS IDEA OF, OF KEEPING INTACT THE, THE, THE WETTER AREAS AND MOVING TO DRIER AREAS AND THE, THE DIFFERENT SPECIES BALANCE AND THE DIFFERENT WETLANDS MAINTENANCE. IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT ONE AND THE OTHER ONE, THAT WAS HOW ARE YOU, HOW ARE WE MONITORING SPECIES RETENTION AND, AND THAT SORT OF INDICATOR SPECIES, THAT SORT OF THING. YEAH. SO OUR MONITORING IS JUST AS MICHAEL OUTLINED, WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE THREE YEAR PRESERVATION THAT ARE INSIDE THE MPC. SO WE HAVE A SURVIVABILITY REQUIREMENT THAT WE ARE MEETING INSIDE THE MPC.

AND IS THAT I MEAN I IS THAT PER SPECIES, PER TYPE, PER I MEAN, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE LEVEL OF PRESERVATION. YOU KNOW, IT GOES TO WHAT I WAS ASKING MR. GAINER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF IF WE'RE PRESERVING RIPARIAN VERSUS PRESERVING THE TYPES OF HABITATS THAT ARE THAT ARE THERE, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WHAT I'M ASKING AND HOW WE'RE MONITORING THAT. SO I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. THE HABITATS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE WELL, I GUESS YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT MAINTAINING AND MONITORING PERIODS, CORRECT. YES. OKAY. SO WE'RE I THINK WE'RE REQUIRED TO MONITOR FOR THREE YEARS. AND THAT IS A SURVIVABILITY RATE BY DIFFERENT TYPES OF SPECIES. I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY HOW WE'RE HOW IT'S WRITTEN IN THE ESA. AND THEN ALL RIGHT SO. AND THEN I GUESS THE OTHER ONE THAT SO THAT WAS THE SECOND QUESTION. THE FIRST QUESTION IS I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE IMPROVING AREAS BY CONCENTRATING AND FOCUSING THE DEVELOPMENT PRACTICE THERE. BUT.

WE'RE WE'RE DEFINITELY SHIFTING TYPES A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING FROM A WETTER WETLANDS TO A DRIER WETLANDS. AND I KNOW THAT'S A WEIRD THING TO SAY, BUT IT'S AN ACCURATE, ACCURATE DEPICTION OF THE TYPE OF SPECIES DIVERSITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS AREA. WELL, PART OF THE REASON WE AND MICHAEL ALLUDED TO IT, PART OF THE REASON WE SELECTED THIS AREA WAS BECAUSE

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IT HAD THE MOST DIVERSE TYPE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF ESSAYS ACROSS THE PROPERTY, AND ACTUALLY MOST OF THE MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT ACTUALLY DRAINS TO THIS WATERSHED. AND SO WE FELT LIKE IT GAVE US THE BEST OPPORTUNITY WITH THE MOST MASS AND THE MOST AREA TO HELP BY TYPE, RESTORE, RESTORE AND ENHANCE THAT ENVIRONMENT OVERALL. SO IT'S REALLY TAKING A WATERSHED APPROACH INSTEAD OF PIECE BY PIECE ALONG EACH ESA AREA. OKAY, I THINK I NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND THAT. SO THAT WILL BE MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT SEEING NONE. WE HAVE ONE CARD. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. DANA ZELTNER, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

OKAY. I HAVE JUST A COMMENT. I KNOW IF SOMETHING ISN'T GROWING, IT'S DYING. THEREFORE, THE CITY HAS TO GROW. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. LET'S BE REALISTIC. 3100 ACRES IS A TON, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BASICALLY PRESERVE ANYTHING ONCE THE BUILDING STARTS AND THEY GO IN AND CUTTING DOWN TREES AND CLEARING STUFF AND DISTURBING WILDLIFE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT PART. WHAT I KIND OF DON'T UNDERSTAND IS 3100 ACRES AND 509 IS. ENVIRONMENTALLY PROBLEMATIC.

AND 509 IS EVEN TOO MUCH FOR THEM. THEY WANT TO TAKE 148. NOW, I, I'M A NEOPHYTE ON THIS.

AND SO I TOOK THE I TOOK THOSE NUMBERS FROM THE ORIGINAL ASSESSMENT FROM THE STAFF. WHAT I WANT TO KNOW I WILL I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, HAS FEMA DECIDED ON THIS? BECAUSE WHAT YOU ALL ARE VOTING ON RESTS WITH WHETHER OR NOT FEMA IS OKAY WITH TAKING AWAY 148 ACRES OF WETLANDS TO BUILD MORE BUILDINGS. SO AS FEMA DECIDED ON THIS, I TRIED TO LOOK IT UP AND I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT AS FEMA MADE A DECISION. DOES ANYBODY KNOW YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND MAXIMIZE YOUR TIME? AND THE QUESTIONS NOTED? OKAY, SO WHY ARE YOU VOTING TO GIVE THE DEVELOPER ANOTHER 100 AND ALMOST 50 ACRES TO DEVELOP AND GET RID OF WILDLIFE AND NATURAL HABITAT WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET IT? DO YOU THINK MAYBE WE COULD KIND OF HOLD OFF AND THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT? I MEAN, WE'RE ONLY TALKING 500 ACRES AGAINST 3100, AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M GOING TO SAY ABOUT IT. OKAY. MICHAEL, CAN YOU COME UP, PLEASE? YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE FEMA THING AND THEN IT'S IMPORTANT. DO YOU DO THE MATH AGAIN ON HOW WE GOT TO 40 ACRES. RIGHT. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT FOREGOING ANYTHING. IT'S THE TOPOGRAPHY. AND THE LAND IS THE LAND. WE'RE JUST ACCOUNTING. IT'S JUST MATH. JUST HERE'S HOW MANY WE HAVE. WE'RE NOT RANKING THEM OR PICKING AND CHOOSING. IT'S JUST SO TO CLARIFY THE CLARIFY THROUGH THE FIELD ASSESSMENTS WITH PROFESSIONALS, THERE WAS IDENTIFIED AS 580 ACRES BY ISOTYPE, OF WHICH THESE 78 IMPACTS WILL IMPACT 40 ACRES BY ISOTYPE. THE FEMA QUESTION THE UNDEVELOPED FLOODPLAIN IS A DEFINED CONCEPT WITHIN THE MPC AND IS ACTUALLY ENFORCED BY THE CITY OF DENTON AS WELL. SO WE HAVE THAT AUTHORITY. IF FEMA CHANGES THAT LINE, CHANGES THE ADJUSTMENT OF THAT, IT WILL CHANGE POSSIBLY THE BOUNDARY OF A FOOTPRINT. BUT FEMA, EVERYTHING IDENTIFIED IN THERE IS WITHIN THE ONE 1% FLOODPLAIN UNDER FEMA. GOT IT. SO TO PUT IT ANOTHER WAY, WE'RE OPERATING WITHIN FEMA STANDARDS THAT THEY PRESCRIBE TO US OR IT'S CITY STANDARDS. THE WAY I WOULD REPHRASE THAT IS WE HAVE A RIGHT UNDER OUR LOCAL ORDINANCE TO ENFORCE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ENFORCING. PERFECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE I MOVE APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX? I SECOND AS PROPOSED. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S

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VOTE ON THE SCREEN. BEFORE I HIT THE BUTTON. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SORRY, I FORGOT, I GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF. HOUSEKEEPING. YEAH. AND THAT PASSES SIX ONE TAKES US TO THANK

[B. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding a change in the zoning district and use classification from the Rural Residential (RR) district and Residential 2 (R2) district to Suburban Corridor (SC) district on approximately 0.684 acres of land generally located west of Teasley Lane, approximately 170 feet north of Leatherwood Lane; adopting an amendment to the City’s official zoning map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted 4-1 to recommend approval of the zoning change request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Pruett and second by Commissioner Thaggard. (Z24-0012a, 5702 Teasley, Mia Hines)]

YOU ALL VERY MUCH. TAKES US TO ITEM B. Z240012A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS. DENTON, TEXAS REGARDING A CHANGE IN THE ZONING, PUBLIC, AND USE CLASSIFICATION FROM THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL RR DISTRICT TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL R2 DISTRICT TO SUBURBAN CORRIDOR SC DISTRICT ON APPROXIMATELY 0.684 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED WEST OF TEASLEY LANE. AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

MIA HINES, SENIOR PLANNER. THIS ITEM, Z 20 4-00 12, IS A REQUEST TO REZONE A PROPERTY FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL TWO TO SUBURBAN CORRIDOR ZONING DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 0.684 ACRES LOCATED WEST OF TEASLEY LANE, APPROXIMATELY 170FT NORTH OF LEATHERWOOD LANE. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOUSE AND SOME ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, AS WELL AS A FENCE, AND THE PURPOSE FOR APPLYING THE APPLICANT STATED PURPOSE FOR APPLYING FOR THIS REZONING REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR MORE COMMERCIAL USES, CONSISTENT WITH THE RECENT INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. JUST TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS APPLICATION, WE INITIALLY HAD SOME PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE DISCUSSIONS WITH THIS APPLICANT BACK IN 2002. AT THAT TIME, THEY WERE INTERESTED IN APPLYING FOR A ZONING CHANGE TO ALLOW FOR THEIR PROPERTY TO BECOME COMMERCIAL AND ALLOW FOR MORE COMMERCIAL USES AT THAT TIME, BECAUSE THE COMP PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IN THIS AREA IS MODERATE RESIDENTIAL, WE INFORMED THEM THAT A COMMERCIAL ZONING MIGHT NOT BE IN LINE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT THAT TIME, AND DIDN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE AT THAT TIME FOR THAT CORRIDOR. TEASLEY AT THE TIME WAS STILL A TWO LANE THOROUGHFARE WITH A CENTER LEFT TURN LANE TO GO EITHER WAY. AND SO AT THAT TIME, THEY HELD OFF ON ON APPLYING FOR A REZONING APPLICATION. THEN TEASLEY LANE WAS CONSTRUCTED, COMPLETED, UPGRADED TO A TWO LANE, I MEAN, UPGRADED TO A SIX LANE DIVIDED WITH A RAISED MEDIAN AND DESIGNATED TURN LANES AT SPECIFIC AREAS. EARLIER THIS YEAR. AND THEN THEY CAME FORWARD AND APPLIED FOR AN ANNEXATION FOR THE BACK HALF OF OR I'M SORRY, A BACK .039 ACRES, I BELIEVE OF THEIR OF THEIR PROPERTY TO BRING IN THEIR WHOLE PROPERTY INTO THE CITY. AND AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT REZONING AT THAT TIME. STAFF AGAIN INFORMED THEM THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF MODERATE RESIDENTIAL WAS THE SAME. BUT GIVEN TEASLEY SITUATION, WE DID FEEL COMMERCIAL WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT CORRIDOR BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT UPGRADE. AND SO THEY DECIDED TO PUSH FORWARD WITH THE ZONING CHANGE APPLICATION, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THAT COMMERCIAL ZONING MIGHT NOT BE IN LINE WITH THAT, THAT MODERATE RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. SPEAKING OF JUST THAT, THAT THAT MAP THAT YOU SEE THERE IS FROM OUR DENTON 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE WEST SIDE OF TEASLEY, AS YOU CAN SEE, DOES HAVE THAT MODERATE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESCRIPTION DESIGNATION, WHICH IS PRIMARILY FOCUSED TOWARDS ALLOWING FOR A VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL LAND USES AT HIGHER DENSITIES. IT DOES IT IS APPLIED TO CERTAIN KEY CORRIDORS AND RECOGNIZES THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE COMMERCIAL USES AT ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR SORT OF INTERSECTIONS ARE APPROPRIATE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE HERE. BUT AGAIN, THE SITUATION WITH TEASLEY GOING FROM A TWO LANE TO A SIX LANE, NOW DIVIDED WITH A MEDIAN AND DESIGNATED LEFT TURN LANES, IT MAKES IT A BIT MORE APPROPRIATE FOR COMMERCIAL. THE APPLICANT IS APPLYING FOR THAT ZONING, WHICH IS NOT IN LINE WITH OUR MODERATE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESCRIPTION, AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER AND OTHER GOALS OF THE DENTON 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THEY ARE ACHIEVING WITH THIS REQUEST.

SPECIFICALLY, THEY ARE THAT'S THAT THAT GROW WITH BALANCE GOAL THAT ALLOWS OR TRIES TO ESTABLISH LAND USES DESIGNATIONS THAT RESPOND TO THE GROWING NEEDS AND CHARACTER SPECIFICATIONS OF THE OF THE AREA. LIKE WE SAID, TEASLEY. WITH THAT UPGRADE AND HAVING MORE COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE WITHIN THIS CORRIDOR ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE GUYER HIGH SCHOOL THERE, IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE FOR US TO HAVE THAT THAT BALANCE OF LAND USES WITHIN THIS CORRIDOR. ADDITIONALLY, DESIGN A FISCALLY ADVANTAGEOUS LAND USE PATTERN PAIRED WITH FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT AND INVESTMENT. WE DON'T REALLY LIKE PLANNING RETROACTIVELY OR PLANNING AFTER THE FACT, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE HERE WITH TEASLEY LANE GOING FROM A TWO LANE TO A SIX LANE. NOW, WE WOULD HAVE WANTED PROBABLY TO

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HAVE SOME SOME BETTER LAND USE LAYOUTS FOR THAT AREA BEFORE THAT UPDATE HAPPENED TO PREPARE FOR THAT. BUT NOW THAT THAT THAT INVESTMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE BY TXDOT IN THAT AREA, WE WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND ALLOW FOR LAND USE PATTERNS THAT MAKE SENSE ADJACENT TO THAT CORRIDOR. WE DO SORT OF RUN INTO THE ISSUE OF SPOT ZONING HERE, WHERE WE HAVE SOME SC THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT SC ZONING BETWEEN TWO R-2 ZONED PROPERTIES. BUT THERE ARE, LIKE I SAID, OTHER CONSIDERATIONS OTHER BEFORE HERE WHERE WE HAVE THAT LAND EXPANSION, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. WE'RE NOT TOO CONCERNED WITH THEIR R-2 ZONING THIS PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, THAT IS, TO RETAIN THAT R-2 ZONING IS CURRENTLY HEAVILY TREE CANOPIED.

IT'S UNDEVELOPED RIGHT NOW, AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY A PART OF A LARGER PARCEL THAT INCLUDED THIS LITTLE PIECE OF RIGHT OF WAY AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT WAS CONSTRUCTED. THERE IS JUST A STREET TO SERVE THIS MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO THE REAR HERE. SO AS FAR AS THIS DEVELOPING AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, ACCORDING TO THAT R-2 ZONING DISTRICT, WE DON'T REALLY ANTICIPATE THAT HAPPENING, ESPECIALLY AGAIN WITH THAT UPGRADE OF TEASLEY THERE.

SO AGAIN, A COMMERCIAL USE WOULD WOULD MAKE SENSE. THERE. ALSO R2 OR THE PROPERTY AT THAT NORTHWEST CORNER OF LEATHERWOOD AND TEASLEY DEVELOPING AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AGAIN, WE AREN'T TOO CONCERNED THAT THAT WOULD BE THE CASE FOR THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE OF WHERE IT IS SITUATED. OH, AND THEN ONE OTHER THING THAT WE DO LIKE A SORT OF BEEN ALLUDING TO THIS WHOLE WITH THIS PRESENTATION IS THAT WITH THAT MODERATE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION WITHIN THIS CORRIDOR OF TEASLEY, WE WE'RE SORT OF QUESTIONING IF THAT MAKES SENSE. NOW, AGAIN, WE DON'T LIKE TO PLAN AFTER THE FACT AFTER UPGRADES HAVE BEEN MADE. BUT GIVEN OUR SITUATION, WE'RE STAFF WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY, THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF LOOK AT THAT CORRIDOR AGAIN AND REEVALUATE THAT MODERATE RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. HERE IS JUST A PICTURE OF THOSE UPGRADES. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TOP LANE TO THE RIGHT IS TEASLEY. IN 2022 REALLY TWO LANE WITH THAT CENTER LANE DIVIDED. AND THEN AS A 2024, IT'S A SIX LANE DIVIDED WITH A MEDIAN. AND THOSE DESIGNATED LEFT LEFT TURN LANES. ONE LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE ARE QUESTIONING IS THE FLUME OF MODERATE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE IN THIS AREA STILL APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AREA, GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE PARCELS THAT ARE FRONTING WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND FRONTING ALONG TEASLEY PROPERTIES WITHIN THAT MODERATE RESIDENTIAL FLUME ARE NOT LIKELY TO DEVELOP AS RESIDENTIAL BY 2040, WHICH IS WHAT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS.

AND THERE ARE A LOT OF LARGE LOTS, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THAT MODERATE RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT WE DON'T WE DON'T ANTICIPATE REDEVELOPING ACCORDING TO MODERATE RESIDENTIAL ANYTIME SOON. SO OF COURSE, WE DID PUT THIS UP AGAINST OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. ALTHOUGH WE AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, THIS DOES NOT DIRECTLY LINE UP WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. IT DOES MEET THOSE OTHER GOALS OF THE DENTON 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSE OF THE SC ZONING DISTRICT AND THEN, GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AT JUST UNDER 0.7 ACRES, THE ZONING AND POTENTIAL SCALE OF DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ANTICIPATED OR EXPECTED TO GENERATE SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACTS TO THIS AREA. AND WITH THAT, I BELIEVE, OH, WE DID WE DID DO NOTIFICATION AND PUBLIC NOTIFICATION FOR THIS MEETING AND FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. WE DID RECEIVE ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION FROM THE CHURCH IN THIS AREA THAT ACCOUNTS FOR, I BELIEVE, 0.36% OF THE TOTAL PROPERTIES WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER. AND THAT APPLICANT WAS NOT OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL LAND USES IN GENERAL, BUT HAD SOME GENERAL CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE USES THAT COULD BE ALLOWED GIVEN THE PROPERTY'S PROXIMITY TO A SCHOOL AND THAT CHURCH. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF MENTIONED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS IS THAT ONE OF THE USES THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. THINGS LIKE THAT SORT OF TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES BECAUSE THERE ARE STATE LICENSING REQUIREMENTS LIKE TABC REQUIRES THAT CERTAIN PROPERTIES BE MAINTAINED A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM PUBLIC SCHOOLS AS WELL AS CHURCHES. SO JUST GIVEN THE PROXIMITY, SOME OF THE USES THAT HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT ARE ALREADY CANCELED OUT. BUT HE DID NOT RESCIND THAT OPPOSITION. SO I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.

ALSO THIS THIS EVENING. WITH THAT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID HERE THIS LAST WEDNESDAY AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS CHANGE AS IT DOES MEET OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT IS OUT OF TOWN AND COULD NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING. THEY HAVE PREPARED A VIDEO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM. OTHERWISE I WILL STAND AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. SURE. LET'S PLAY THE VIDEO.

OKAY. LET ME GET THAT GOING. LET'S UNMUTE IT. HI, I'M AARON HUEBNER, 5702 TEASLEY LANE 621

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SOUND GOING. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO REVIEW OUR CASE. WE ARE 5702 TEASLEY LANE.

IS THERE SOMEONE FROM THE BACK WHO CAN HELP ME WITH SOUND? THANK YOU. IF NOT STEVE, CAN YOU COME OUT AND TAKE A LOOK, PLEASE? AND THANK YOU. SO I THINK WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

WE'LL COME BACK TO IT. HOW ABOUT THAT? SO, REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH. MAYOR PRO TEM MELTZER. IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT GIVEN THE CHANGE IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES ON THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BIGGER ROAD THAT WE OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT A AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE THE CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE CHANGED RATHER THAN SPOT ZONING AS CASES COME UP. DO YOU AGREE THAT THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE PROCESS INDICATED? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

STAFF IS ESSENTIALLY WE'RE WANTING TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY SORT OF QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT MODERATE RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE MAKES SENSE IN THAT AREA, AND WE DO WANT TO LOOK AT THAT AREA FURTHER TO EVALUATE WHAT WHAT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OR IN A COMPREHENSIVE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO SEE WHAT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT AREA. GIVEN THOSE CHANGES, WHAT ARE THE TIMING CONSIDERATIONS? WE'D HAVE TO WORK IT INTO OUR WORK PLAN. I'M GOING TO LOOK BACK AT MY DIRECTOR A LITTLE BIT. WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER PRIORITIES, COUNCIL PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE.

WE'VE GOT THE AREA PLAN AND SOME OF THE SHORT TERM ACTIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT THAT WILL WORK INTO OUR DEPARTMENT. BUT WE'LL ADD THAT TO OUR OUR WONDERFUL LIST. I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE TIMING OF THAT VERSUS THE TIME SENSITIVITY OF THIS PROJECT, THAT THAT'S REALLY WHAT I MEANT BY THE TIMING CONSIDERATIONS, THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THE THIS IS AN APPLICATION FROM THE APPLICANT. WE THERE AT THEIR REQUEST WE WANTED TO PUSH THIS FORWARD.

THEY WANTED TO HAVE THIS ON THE LAST WEEK'S P AND Z AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT APPLICATION WITHOUT HOLDING THEM UP ON WHILE STAFF TRYING TO WORK TRIES TO WORK THAT INTO OUR PRIORITIES ESSENTIALLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. MIA, THE CHAIRWOMAN WAS THE LONE NO VOTE. CORRECT. HOW DID SHE GET THERE? SHE STATED THAT THIS WAS SPOT ZONING THAT THERE WAS. SHE HAS HER HER CHARACTERIZATION OF TEASLEY LANE IS THAT IT IS MORE RURAL AND NOT NOT AS STAFF BELIEVES THAT IT'S MUCH MORE OF A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. NOW WITH THAT UPGRADE. AND I BELIEVE I BELIEVE THERE WAS ANOTHER CONCERN. I'LL LOOK AT MY BACKUP REAL QUICK. I THINK THAT THAT WAS IN THERE. MY UNDERSTANDING, WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT, ONE OF HER CONCERNS IS THAT WE JUMPED ALL THE WAY FROM R7 TO SC. HOW DID WE GET THERE? YEAH. SO OKAY, AT ONE POINT STAFF DID ASK ONCE ONCE THE SPOT ZONING AND ANALYSIS, ANALYZING THEIR APPLICATION, THE SPOT ZONING ISSUE. WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT. WE REALLY HONESTLY WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT INTERNALLY A LOT ONCE THAT THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT WE WERE TRYING TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THIS WOULD BE THIS WOULD BE SPOT ZONING. ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT I HAD, KNOWING ONE OF THE USES THAT THE APPLICANTS WANTED TO USE WAS TO CONSIDER THE R7 DISTRICT BECAUSE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A R2 AND AN SC OR A SC BETWEEN TWO R2'S, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE AT LEAST THAT THAT CONSISTENCY OF THAT RESIDENTIAL CLASSIFICATION OF DISTRICTS R7 IS MUCH MORE IT IT ALLOWS FOR MULTIFAMILY, IT ALLOWS FOR MUCH MORE INTENSE, DENSITY DENSE USES THAN, THAN SC DOES. BUT THE CLASSIFICATION OF A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT BEING SITUATED BETWEEN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS NOT AS MUCH OF A CONCERN WITH THE SPOT ZONING ISSUE, AND IT WOULD IT COULD POTENTIALLY GET THE APPLICANT WHAT THEY WERE GOING FOR, WHICH THEY GIVEN THAT THEIR ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS SC, THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AND REALLY, REALLY PURSUE THAT COMMERCIAL ZONING TO ALLOW FOR A WIDER RANGE OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, WHICH WE, WE BELIEVE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITE. ALSO, WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC IDEA OF WHAT'S COMING YET. IT'S JUST IN GENERAL. CORRECT. AND BECAUSE THIS IS A STRAIGHT REZONING, ANY OF THOSE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THE SC DISTRICT WOULD BE ALLOWED.

OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. REPRESENTATIVE. WELL WHAT HAPPENED? OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE.

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FROM DISTRICT FOUR. THANK YOU. I HAD A SEIZURE OR SOMETHING RIGHT THERE. THE HOUSE THAT YOU MENTIONED. DOES THE APPLICANT LIVE IN THE HOUSE? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. NO, SIR. THEY I BELIEVE THEY LIVE OUT OF STATE. IS THE HOUSE OCCUPIED? I THINK SO. AND WHAT'S THE FUTURE OF THE HOUSE AGAIN? THEY'VE STATED SEVERAL. SO ORIGINALLY IN APPLYING FOR THE APPLICATION AND IN THEIR NARRATIVE, THEY STATED WANTING TO USE THE HOUSE AS AN OFFICE SPACE AND POTENTIALLY ADDING ON SOME OUTDOOR RECREATION ACTIVITY. I BELIEVE ONE OF THE APPLICANTS IS A COACH AND THEY WANTED TO DO SOME SOME FACILITATE SOME PRACTICES OR BE ABLE TO FACILITATE SOME PRACTICES ON THAT LOT. SINCE THEN, I'M NOT SURE. AGAIN, WE GOT THIS APPLICATION BACK IN EARLY EARLIER EARLIER THIS YEAR. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE NOW. AND I KNOW THAT ANY OF THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE SC DISTRICT WOULD BE WOULD BE ALLOWED SLIGHTLY MORE THAN A THAN A HALF ACRE, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO THEY ARE ALSO LIMITED BY SIZE TO WHAT THEY COULD PUT. THEY ARE ALSO LIMITED BY THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY TO WHAT THEY COULD PUT ON THE PROPERTY. I'M NOT EXPECTING A BIG BOX RETAIL BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MAYOR, REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. SO THE ONE OF THE THINGS THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS WE HAVE THAT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND IT IS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE SERVICES ALONG THE ARTERIALS AND THE SUBURBAN CORRIDORS TO SERVICE THE SURROUNDING REGIONS. BUT THIS IS THIS IS NOT HAS NOT BEEN THAT.

AND IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT THAT IT FEELS KIND OF WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. WE SHOULD DO THE PLANNING. WE SHOULD MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS. WE SHOULD WE SHOULD THEN ALTER THE VISION. I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM ALLUDED TO SOME OF THIS. I MEAN, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY WRONG BECAUSE WE DO HAVE COMMERCIAL UP THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE GETTING OUT OF ORDER. AND I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU IS IF THIS IS ALL RESIDENTIAL RIGHT THERE AND WE'RE NOT PROMOTING THE KINDS OF SERVICES THAT THE SC WOULD TYPICALLY HAVE AND THE, THE USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH SORT OF HOME, OFFICE OR OTHER RESIDENTIAL ZONING, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE JUMPING THE GUN. WHY ARE WE NOT JUMPING THE GUN? WHY ARE WE NOT DOING THE I KNOW I'M KIND OF DANCING AROUND THE R SEVEN QUESTION, BUT WHY? WHY ARE WE NOT USING SOME SORT OF TRANSITIONAL PLANNING AND THEN IN TEMPORARILY AND THEN HAVE A FULL COMP PLAN TO GET ALL OUR DUCKS IN A ROW? SURE. SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION THAT WE SOMEONE APPLIED FOR THAT WE RECEIVED THEIR REQUEST TO REZONE FROM THEIR EXISTING ZONING TO SC. SO WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT APPLICATION AT HAND. AND THEN WHEN WE GET THAT APPLICATION WE CAN RECOMMEND. AND IN THAT PROCESS I DID MENTION THAT THIS AGAIN SC IS NOT IN LINE WITH THE MODERATE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION AT THAT POINT. ONE OF THE WAYS TO. COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THAT IS TO MODIFY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH REQUIRES AN APPLICATION FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT A ANOTHER APPLICATION PROCESS AFTER THEY'VE ALREADY APPLIED TO ANNEX THE PROPERTY AND ZONE THE PROPERTY. THE APPLICANTS WEREN'T WILLING FOR THIS 0.684 ACRE PROPERTY TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE APPLICATION PROCESSES, AND THEY ALSO ASKED THERE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY ASKED THEIR NEIGHBORS IF THEY WANTED TO SORT OF JOIN IN TO ALLOW US TO ACTUALLY DO A LARGER, COMPREHENSIVE STUDY OF THIS AREA. AND THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED IN THE TIME. THEY WEREN'T OPPOSED. THEY JUST WEREN'T INTERESTED IN JOINING THAT THAT APPLICATION AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE ALSO WE'VE SINCE TALKED TO SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORS. WE KNOW THAT AT LEAST ONE OF THEM, THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE NORTH, IS POTENTIALLY INTERESTED IN PURSUING THIS COMING FORWARD. BUT THE APPLICANT ASKED US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR ZONING CHANGE APPLICATION, AND WE DID SO AT THEIR REQUEST. STAFF HAD TO RENDER A RECOMMENDATION. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. TO SOME EXTENT. YOU'RE YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE PROCESS THAT THEY ASKED FOR. CORRECT. SO I TAKE THAT THAT IT DOESN'T TIE YOUR HANDS, BUT IT FORCES YOU TO RESPOND IN THAT SENSE. OKAY. YEAH, I I'LL BE CURIOUS WHAT THE, THE REST OF THE FOLKS SAY, BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS IS WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THIS OUT OF ORDER AND IT IT DOES MAKE A IT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US ONCE AGAIN, TO NOT FOLLOW THE COMP PLAN AND NOT FOLLOW THE FLUME. AND WE HAD SOME EPISODES OF THAT IN THE PAST, AND I'D LIKE TO NOT REVISIT THOSE KINDS OF EPISODES IN NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. MAYOR, COULD I ADD ONE THING TO ME AS RESPONSE? TINA PERKINS, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND PLANNING DIRECTOR. SO AS YOU CAN PROBABLY PICK UP ON FROM ME AS RESPONSES, THAT THIS WAS A CASE THAT WE REALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON AND SCRATCHING OUR HEADS OVER BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH A 6/10 OF AN ACRE TRACT OF LAND. RIGHT. TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN REGARDING DOING THE PLANNING WORK FIRST, AND

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POSSIBLY HAVING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT COME THROUGH. WE ALSO FELT IT WASN'T THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO BEAR THE PROPORTIONALITY ASSOCIATED WITH DOING A CORRIDOR STUDY IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. SO HENCE WHY WE WERE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT IN FINDING A PATH FORWARD FOR THEM. SO WE DO BELIEVE SOME ADDITIONAL LAND PLANNING DOES NEED TO BE DONE IN THIS AREA. TO MIA'S POINT, IT'S A LOWER PRIORITY FOR US GIVEN GIVEN ALL THE OTHER ASKS THAT WE'VE THAT WE'VE GOT PRIORITIZED AND FOR OUR WORK PROGRAM FOR THIS COMING YEAR. SO BUT WE DO BELIEVE THIS AREA NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET WHERE WE HAVE GUYER HIGH SCHOOL. IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS THERE, IT'S COMMUNITY MIXED USE. IF THE COLORS WERE FLIPPED ON THE MAP, WHERE THE ORANGE WAS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF TEASLEY AND THE AND THE PINK WAS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF TEASLEY, THIS WOULD BE A VERY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THIS EVENING, BECAUSE WE WOULD BE TELLING YOU, WELL, THE SC ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION. WE HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL, A SIGNIFICANT SIZED HIGH SCHOOL THAT'S UNDERGONE SOME EXPANSIONS THAT ARE ON THAT EAST SIDE. SO WE BELIEVE THAT EVEN THAT HAS NOT DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDATION. SO WE KNOW WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS AREA LONGER TERM. AS MIA POINTED OUT, WITH THE CHANGE IN THE CHARACTER OF THE CORRIDOR. BUT AGAIN, WITH THIS PROPERTY OWNER THAT 6/10 OF AN ACRE SITE, WE'RE TRYING TO HELP MAYBE POSSIBLY FIND A PATH FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE COMMERCIAL USES, BECAUSE WE DO BELIEVE LONGER TERM IN THIS AREA, THAT COMMERCIAL USES ARE GOING TO OCCUR. WHEN YOU LOOK AT SLIGHTLY FURTHER TO THE SOUTH AND MORE TOWARD THE EAST. WHEN YOU WHEN YOU GO AROUND THAT BEND OF TEASLEY, YOU LOOK AT ALL THE COMMERCIAL LAND USES THAT ARE ALSO IN THAT AREA. AND THEN THE FACT THAT THIS ROADWAY IS A REGIONAL ARTERIAL PROVIDING ACCESS OVER TO I-35, HENCE WHY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MADE THE CASE AND THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE SC ZONING, BUT ULTIMATELY WE'LL WE'LL YIELD TO YOU ALL AND, AND LET US KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. SO WHOMEVER CAN YOU GO I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE GIS MAP FOR THAT VERY REASON. THE GIS OR JUST AN AERIAL NO GIS. SO AND TOGGLE ON THE ZONING. SO IF YOU NEEDED AN ADDRESS, LET ME LOOK UP GA HIGH SCHOOL'S ADDRESS. I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT IS ON THE MAP. YEAH, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE. THANK YOU. BECAUSE AND WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, I TAKE YOUR POINT. AND I ALSO APPRECIATE TINA'S LOOK AT IT BECAUSE I'M OF THE OPINION IT'S NOT GOOD TO HOLD UP SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO MOVE IN A DIRECTION. BLESS YOU. GO GOING ANYWAY, RIGHT? THAT'S JUST NOT. IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF WE'RE SAYING IT'S NOT GOING THAT DIRECTION. BUT HERE'S THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE'RE NOT PUTTING HOUSES ON TEASLEY LANE, A SIX LANE ROAD, AND YOU'RE NEVER YOU'D NEVER GET OUT OF THERE. THAT JUST. AND IF YOU DO, YOU NEED A, YOU NEED A MCLAREN BECAUSE YOU GOT TO GET UP TO 208 AND 0.4 SECONDS. AND SO. YES, PERFECT. THIS DEMONSTRATES PERFECTLY WHAT YOU SAID. SO YOU HAVE RIGHT BEHIND THE HIGH SCHOOL YOU HAVE RR FRONTED BY R7 THAT MAKE THAT MAKE SENSE. AND THEN YOU HAVE THAT SPOT OF SC ON THE BEND THAT YOU TOUCHED ON.

AND IF YOU GO UP IT GETS REAL INTERESTING. SO THEN YOU GO UP AND YOU HAVE ALL THOSE POPEYES, MCDONALD'S SC FRONT AND TEASLEY LANE. EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, VERY CONSISTENT. AND THEN GO UP SOME MORE BECAUSE THIS GETS CRAZY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE ROAD BY THE CAR WASH THERE. THERE IT IS UP IN THE TOP. YOU GOT A LITTLE LOOK AT THAT. THAT LOOKS LIKE ALMOST WHAT WE'RE DOING. IT'S JUST I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THAT IS, BUT IT LOOKS SIMILAR. AND THEN JUST UP ABOVE THERE, YOU HAVE WALMART RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR R4. IS THAT. YEAH. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT'S SC FRONTING THAT. SO YES THIS AREA NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. BUT THEN TWO EVEN WHAT WE'RE DOING IS CONSISTENT WITH THIS AREA. UNLESS SOMEONE CAN EXPLAIN TO ME WHY RR BEHIND THE HIGH SCHOOL IS FRONTED BY R7. AND THEN TO YOUR POINT, THE OTHER THING THAT'S COMPELLING TO ME AND WHY I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT, IS THAT R7 IS A HARSHER USE. SO IF I'M LOOKING FOR A SOFT PLACE TO LAND SC, IT SEEMS LIKE THE BETTER OPTION. UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT THEY DO AFTER THAT. RIGHT? SO I'M LOOKING FOR IT'S CONSISTENT ALONG THAT CORRIDOR. THIS CORRIDOR WILL GET LOOKED AT BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO GET LOOKED AT. BUT WE SHOULDN'T HOLD THE PROCESS UP FOR 0.6 OF AN ACRE. RIGHT. AND SO THAT TO ME IS STAFF'S ANALYSIS OF HEY, HERE'S SOME CONFLICTING POINTS. AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THE A WAY TO DIFFUSE IT BEST WE CAN. AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AND IT ALIGNS WITH WHAT'S ON THE GROUND IN THE AREA. SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. IT SAYS A PUBLIC HEARING ANYONE CAN SPEAK.

YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A CARD AFTERWARDS. BUT IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK.

SEEING NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. IS THERE A

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SECOND? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THAT PASSES FOR KNOW. WHAT WAS THAT? OH. OKAY. FOR TWO. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM FIVE. A WHICH

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton determining the public use, need, and necessity for the acquisition of permanent sanitary sewer easements, generally located east of Precision Drive on Airport Road, situated in the Eugene Puchalski Survey, Abstract No. 996, all in the City and County of Denton, Texas, and more particularly described in the attached Exhibit “A” (collectively, the “property interest”); authorizing the City Manager and City Attorney to acquire the Property Interest by agreement if possible, including making all offers required by law; authorizing the use of the power of eminent domain to condemn the property interests if agreement cannot be reached; authorizing the City Attorney to file eminent domain proceedings if necessary; authorizing the expenditure of funding; making findings; providing a savings clause; and providing an effective date.]

IS FIVE A WHICH IS ID 242189. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON DETERMINING THE PUBLIC USE, NEED AND NECESSITY. NECESSITY FOR THE ACQUISITION OF PERMANENT SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT, GENERALLY LOCATED EAST OF PRECISION DRIVE ON AIRPORT ROAD.

AIRPORT ROAD SITUATED IN THE EUGENE. PUC, ALL SKY SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 996. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO STAFF. EVERYONE HAS A LANGUAGE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION, YOU HAVE THE LANGUAGE PROVIDED BY STAFF. GO RIGHT AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M ANGEL DELORY, SENIOR REAL ESTATE SPECIALIST WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT.

ALSO, WE HAVE TONIGHT THE CAPITAL PROJECT STAFF WITH US. THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT PROJECT DESIGN, ALIGNMENT AND CONSTRUCTION. THE ITEM WE HAVE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING RELATES TO RELOCATION OF CITY UTILITIES TO. BECAUSE OF THE WIDENING OF FM 1515. TXDOT'S PROJECT IS TO WIDEN FM 1515 JUST EAST OF PRECISION DRIVE. THIS NECESSITATES THE MOVING OF CITY TO CITY SANITARY SEWER EASEMENTS FROM THEIR CURRENT LOCATION INTO NEW LOCATIONS. THIS WILL REQUIRE THE CITY PURCHASING NEW LOCATIONS FOR THESE EASEMENTS.

THE MAP SHOWS YOU SOME DIFFERENT ITEMS. THIS IS A GENERAL LOCATION OF THE PROJECT. TEXTS.

NEW RIGHT OF WAY AREA AND THE PROPOSED NEW EASEMENT LOCATIONS. CITY PLANS TO START CONSTRUCTION QUARTER 2ND APRIL 2025 AND BE COMPLETE BY QUARTER 3RD NOVEMBER 2025. THIS IS IN KEEPING WITH TEXAS REQUIREMENTS TIME FRAME. WITH YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM THIS EVENING. THIS WILL ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TO ACQUIRE NECESSARY PROPERTY INTEREST. IT WILL ALSO ALLOW THEM TO MAKE ALL OFFERS REQUIRED BY LAW IN THE EVENT STAFF IS UNABLE TO REACH AGREEMENTS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. THIS ITEM WILL ALLOW THE CITY ATTORNEY TO FILE PROCEEDINGS FOR EMINENT DOMAIN, ALLOWING HIM TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY INTERESTS IF NEEDED. THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ADOPTION OF THIS ORDINANCE. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SEEING NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THE CITY OF DENTON AFTER HAVING MADE THE OFFERS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. USE THE POWER OF EMINENT DOMAIN IF NEEDED, TO ACQUIRE VARIOUS PERMANENT SANITARY SEWER EASEMENTS. GENERAL. LOCATED EAST OF PRECISION DRIVE ON AIRPORT ROAD. SITUATION. SITUATED IN THE EUGENE PULASKI. PLEASE FORGIVE ME SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 996. ALL IN THE CITY AND COUNTY OF DENTON, TEXAS, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN THE ATTACHED EXHIBIT A TO THE ORDINANCE NOW UNDER CONSIDERATION AND ON THE SCREEN TO BE DISPLAYED TO THE AUDIENCE, ALL OF WHICH ARE FOR A VALID PUBLIC USE NECESSARY TO RELOCATE, CONSTRUCT AND INSTALL SANITARY SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE AS PART OF THE TEXAS DOT. FM 1515 WIDENING UTILITY RELOCATION PROJECT NEEDED TO SERVE THE PUBLIC AND CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF DENTON. OKAY. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? COUNCILPERSON JESTER, I SECOND THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE A

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MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, ANY OTHER PROCESSES WE NEED AT THIS POINT, WE'LL START DISPLAYING THE PROPERTIES FOR YOU TO VIEW. PERFECT. THERE ARE THREE SUBJECT PROPERTIES AFFECTED STEVENSON PROPERTIES OF DENTON, TEXAS LLC. AND MCL, LP VICTOR TECHNOLOGIES AND THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS. THIS CONCLUDES ALL THE PROPERTIES. THANK YOU. ONE ONE MOMENT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTION. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE AN IGNORANCE QUESTION. I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE DID IT AND THE PROPERTIES LISTED THAT THAT'S FINE. THE CITY CAN EMINENT DOMAIN. ANOTHER GOVERNMENT GOVERNING BODY ITS PROPERTIES OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S NEW. I APPRECIATE THE EDUCATION. I WAS UNAWARE OF THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. BUT BEFORE WE VOTE, I'M GOING TO COME DOWN.

I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THE FIRST TIME YOU PRESENTED TO US. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH THE CITY? 11 WEEKS. OH, OUTSTANDING. SMOOTH SAILING, SMOOTH SAILING. EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT. SO WE HAVE AN ELEPHANT TO GIVE YOU. KIND OF. SO THAT YOU ALWAYS REMEMBER YOUR FIRST PRESENTATION TO US.

AND THEN WE'LL GET A PICTURE HERE, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SURE. ALL RIGHT. HERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SURE. APPRECIATE IT. YES, YES. SIR. NOW WE'LL WE'LL VOTE AND WE'LL GIVE YOU YOUR REPORT CARD. JUST ONE MOMENT. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City Council of Denton, Texas, authorizing the termination of the contract with the Denton Chamber of Commerce for the management of the Denton Tourism Public Improvement District dated July 16, 2024; authorizing a contract with the Denton Tourism Public Improvement District Corporation for the management of the district; and providing an effective date.]

[B. Consider an ordinance of the City Council of Denton, Texas, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with the Denton Chamber of Commerce for the acquisition of the equipment, intellectual property, and other assets of Discover Denton, a line of business under the Denton Chamber of Commerce and the assumption of certain contracts by the City; authorizing the City Manager to execute a first amendment to a lease between the City and the Denton Chamber of Commerce; and providing an effective date.]

AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. TAKES US TO ITEM SIX A WHICH IS ID 242484. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, AUTHORIZING THE TERMINATION OF THE CONTRACT WITH THE DENTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF THE DENTON TOURISM PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, DATED JULY 16TH, 2024. AUTHORIZING AUTHORIZING A CONTRACT WITH THE DENTON TOURISM PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT CORPORATION FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF THE DISTRICT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. I HAVE ONE PRESENTATION, MAYOR FOR A, ITEMS A AND B. OKAY. AND THEN ITEM SIX B IS ID 242486. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH THE DENTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE EQUIPMENT, INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, AND OTHER ASSETS OF DISCOVERED DENTON A, A LINE OF BUSINESS UNDER THE DENTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND THE ASSUMPTION OF CERTAIN CONTRACTS BY THE CITY, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A FIRST AMENDMENT, EXECUTE A FIRST AMENDMENT TO A LEASE BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. KRISTINE TAYLOR, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. BEFORE I GET STARTED, THERE ARE SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS HERE WHO HAVE HELPED THIS PROCESS ALONG THE WAY. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AARON CARTER, THE

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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