[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding Denton Enterprise Airport rates and fees. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

SESSION, WHICH IS ITEM THREE, A ID 242392 RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE ENTERPRISE AIRPORT RATES AND FEES. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. RYAN ADAMS, AIRPORT DIRECTOR. WE HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION FOR YOU TODAY. AS YOU RECALL, GO BACK HERE. AS YOU RECALL, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WE SPOKE OF THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS BACK OVER THE SUMMER. WE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL AN AIRPORT BUDGET THAT WAS PROJECTED TO HAVE A YEAR OVER YEAR DEFICITS IN OUR FIVE YEAR OUTLOOK. AND AT THE TIME, WE WERE GOING THROUGH A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS WITH ONE OF OUR CONSULTANTS ASSISTING US WITH THAT, AND WE TOLD THE COUNCIL WE WOULD BRING THIS BACK MID-YEAR FOR DISCUSSION OF RATES. AND THIS IS THAT PRESENTATION. SO IT'S FOLLOWING UP FROM THE BUDGET PROCESS. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR AIRPORT FINANCIAL CONDITIONS. THE GENERAL A FEE STUDY THAT WAS PERFORMED THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER AND INTO THE FALL, SHARE THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THAT FEE STUDY. AND THEN WE'LL PRESENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR RATES FROM STAFF AND THE AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD, AND THEN FOLLOW UP WITH NEXT STEPS. WE DID PROVIDE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION IN AN INTERNAL STAFF REPORT THE WEEK BEFORE LAST.

THERE'S JUST A LOT OF INFORMATION TO GIVE RELATED TO THE AIRPORT RATES AND FEES. SO WE WANTED TO GIVE THAT TO YOU AHEAD OF TIME TO REALLY KIND OF REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE MIGHT SPEND PROVIDING INFORMATION AS PART OF THIS PRESENTATION. SO JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE AIRPORT FINANCIAL CONDITIONS. THE AIRPORT HAS HAD SUBSTANTIAL GROWTH OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, PARTICULARLY OVER THE LAST 3 TO 4 YEARS IN TERMS OF BOTH BASED AIRCRAFT, WHICH IS A GREAT PROXY FOR OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. THE MORE DEVELOPMENT YOU HAVE HERE, THE MORE AIRCRAFT CAN BE BASED AT THE AIRPORT. WE'VE SEEN SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN OPERATIONS, WHICH WE'VE REPORTED TO COUNCIL. WE ARE THE FIFTH BUSIEST AIRPORT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND HAVE ECLIPSED 200,000 OPERATIONS A YEAR IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE HAS GROWN OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS. AS YOU KNOW, WE BUILT A PARALLEL RUNWAY IN 2019. WE. RECONSTRUCTED OUR MAIN RUNWAY THIS YEAR, AND WE HAVE LOTS OF PLANS AND NEEDS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE GOING FORWARD. OUR 2021 STUDY PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM STUDY IDENTIFIED 20 MILLION IN INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. AND THAT'S $2,021 THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS IN OUR NEAR FUTURE, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEAR OUTLOOK. WE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT, ANY OTHER OPERATION OF THE CITY WE EXPERIENCE AND WE ARE WE ARE HAVING TO GRAPPLE WITH INCREASED COST TO COMMODITIES, TO SERVICES, CONSTRUCTION COSTS. EVENTUALLY

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THOSE THOSE INCREASES WILL FALL BACK TO THE AIRPORT TO HAVE TO FUND EVERYTHING FROM THE, SAY THE CHEMICALS WE BUY TO DE-ICE THE RUNWAY, TO THE SERVICES WE PROCURE WHENEVER WE WANT TO BUILD A NEW TAXI LANE. THOSE ARE INCREASING AND HAVE INCREASED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS PRETTY SHARPLY. AND THE AIRPORT HAS OTHER FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS THAT MAKE IT DIFFERENT FROM THE GENERAL FUND. LIKE A LOT OF OUR OTHER ENTERPRISES, WE ARE AN ENTERPRISE FUND AND OUR REVENUES SHOULD COVER THE COSTS. WE SHOULD RECOVER ENOUGH REVENUE TO BE ABLE TO FUND OUR OPERATING EXPENSES. AND SPECIFIC TO THE AIRPORT, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THE FAA BECAUSE WE ACCEPT GRANT MONEY TO THE FAA. THEY GIVE US A LIST OF WHAT WE CALL GRANT ASSURANCES OR GRANT OBLIGATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THAT MONEY. ONE OF THEM IS THAT THE AIRPORT SHOULD BE AS SELF-SUSTAINING AS POSSIBLE. SO WHERE WE KIND OF ARE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE EXPERIENCED A BUDGET DEFICIT IN THE LAST TWO OUT OF OUR PREVIOUS FIVE YEARS, AND WE ARE PROJECTING BUDGET DEFICITS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS EVERY YEAR OVER THE NEXT FIVE. THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS WHEN WE REVIEWED OUR PROFORMA OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR MORE, WE'VE BALANCED OUR BUDGET USING EITHER THE AIRPORT FUND BALANCE OR REDUCTIONS IN OUR EXPENDITURES. PARTICULARLY, WE HAD TO REDUCE OUR PART TIME STAFFING, AND WE HAD TO REDUCE OTHER EXPENDITURES WHERE WE COULD, MAKING SURE THAT WE WEREN'T IMPACTING OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE A SAFE AIRPORT AND PROVIDE AIRPORT SERVICES. BASED ON OUR PROJECTIONS, WE EXPECT THAT ON AVERAGE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, TO LOSE ABOUT $225,000 A YEAR. THIS IS PRIMARILY DUE TO TWO THINGS. ONE OF THEM IS WE'VE SEEN A SHARP DECREASE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE GRAPH A SHARP DECREASE IN OUR GAS LEASE REVENUE. SO OVERALL WE ARE RECOVERING LESS FUNDS FROM OUR NATURAL GAS WELLS ON THE AIRPORT. WHILE THERE ARE A COUPLE OUTLIER YEARS WHERE RECOVERY HAS BEEN AT OR CLOSE TO OR OVER $1 MILLION, ON THE WHOLE, THOSE REVENUES ARE DECREASING AND WE ARE BUDGETING LESS AND LESS REVENUE FROM OUR GAS. WELL, LEASES AT BEST. IT IS VERY INCONSISTENT AND CANNOT BE EASILY COUNTED ON FOR ANY, YOU KNOW, TO MEET A BUDGETED REVENUE TARGET. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EQUATION IS THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING WE HAVE EXPERIENCED AN INCREASE IN OUR DEBT SERVICE OBLIGATIONS. SO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR A WHILE, FOR A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME, EVEN AFTER WE TRANSITIONED TO BEING AN ENTERPRISE FUND, THE GENERAL FUND DID COVER THE AIRPORT'S DEBT SERVICE. THIS CHANGED AFTER 2020 WHEN THE AIRPORT TOOK ON THAT DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT AS PART OF ITS FUND AND THE DECREASE IN GAS LEASE REVENUE AND THE INCREASE OF OUR DEBT SERVICE OBLIGATIONS. AGAIN, DEBT SERVICE IS FROM DOING PROJECTS, PAVEMENT, RUNWAYS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THAT IS WHAT'S CAUSING THIS YEAR OVER YEAR ANNUAL DEFICIT AND IF UNADDRESSED, IT LIMITS OUR PROJECT FUNDING CAPABILITY. IT LIMITS OUR OPERATIONAL CAPACITY AND IT WILL RESULT IN THE EVENTUAL EXHAUSTION OF THE FUND BALANCE. SINCE WE DO USE THAT FUND BALANCE TO COVER ANY REVENUE SHORTFALLS. SO I'M GOING TO PAUSE THERE. AND JUST IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE SLIDES SO FAR, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM OR I CAN MOVE ON IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT SIX. HI, COUNCILPERSON. JESTER. FIRST I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED. IT WAS VERY HELPFUL TO LOOK AT IT FROM SO MANY DIFFERENT ANGLES. ONE QUESTION I HAD ABOUT IN GENERAL, AND I THOUGHT MAYBE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT REVENUE HAS DECREASED, IS IF YOU CAN AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE PREPARED TO SPEAK TO IT. AS FAR AS WHY THE DECREASE IN THE FUEL FLOW FEES AND REVENUE, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WITH THE INCREASED PARTICIPATION OUT THERE THAT THAT WOULD INCREASE. THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT I NOTED WAS GOING DOWN. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, I MEAN, THE GAS WELL, REVENUES, THAT'S JUST IT'S WHAT IT IS. BUT DO YOU KNOW WHY THAT HAS DECREASED IN A NUTSHELL, THAT WOULD GENERALLY POINT TO WHILE OUR OPERATIONS HAVE INCREASED. SO OUR TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS HAVE INCREASED. IF WE SEE THAT INCREASE IN OUR OPERATIONS WITH A CORRESPONDING SLIGHT DECREASE IN OUR OUR GALLONS SOLD OR OUR GALLONS MOVED ON TO THE AIRPORT, GENERALLY THAT MEANS THE AIRPORT THAT THAT INCREASE IN OPERATIONS IS BY SMALLER AIRCRAFT. LARGER AIRCRAFT TAKE ON CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF FUEL. AND WE'RE THINKING, YOU KNOW, CORPORATE JETS AND THINGS OF THAT SIZE. SO IF WE'RE SEEING LESS LARGE AIRCRAFT, MORE SMALL AIRCRAFT, OUR OPERATIONS MAY STILL GO UP BECAUSE THOSE SMALL AIRCRAFT, THEY CAN LAND AND TAKE OFF JUST LIKE ANY OTHER, BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT TAKING ON AS MUCH FUEL,

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REALLY A FRACTION OF THE AMOUNT THAT A LARGER AIRCRAFT WOULD TAKE ON. YOU CAN SEE THOSE FUEL NUMBERS GO DOWN. WELL, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. RYAN, I WAS I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME STAFF REDUCTIONS AS A RESULT OF THIS. HOW HAVE YOU ALL ABSORBED THOSE STAFF REDUCTIONS? IT'S JUST PART TIME, RIGHT? WE'VE LIMITED IT TO PART TIME. SO WE'VE NOT HAD ANY FULL TIME REDUCTIONS. THE PART TIME STAFF THAT THE AIRPORT EMPLOYS, THEY GENERALLY HELP US WITH COVERAGE IN THE EVENINGS AND THE WEEKENDS AND ON HOLIDAYS. AND WHAT WE'VE HAD TO DO, WE'VE HAD TO REDUCE ONE OF OUR WE HAD THREE PART TIMERS. WE'VE HAD TO REDUCE THAT AND GO DOWN TO TWO. THE IMPACT TO THE AIRPORT IS, IS THAT WE ARE HAVING LESS HOURS OF THAT COVERAGE. SO WHEREAS WE PREVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE A PART TIME STAFFER ON THE AIRPORT UNTIL, SAY, 10:00 AT NIGHT, ON A WEEKDAY, WHENEVER THE TOWER CLOSES, WE NOW HAVE THAT PERSON UNTIL 8:00, AND WE HAVE MAYBE LESS TIME ON THE WEEKENDS THAT WE DO HAVE AN ACTUAL PERSON AIRPORT STAFF MEMBER OUT AT THE AIRPORT, WE TRY TO COVER THE MAIN HOURS WHERE WE SEE THE MOST OPERATIONS, BUT WE HAD TO REDUCE THOSE HOURS. I HOPE THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. WHEN YOU'RE IN YOUR IN YOUR RESPONSE, WHEN YOU'RE REDUCING THE HOURS THAT A PART TIME STAFF MEMBER IS THERE. I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY AFFECTING OPERATIONS OR ANY SAFETY FUNCTIONS. IT DOES NOT IN THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE THERE. SO BUT WE DO STILL HAVE ON CALL PERSONNEL, SO WE CAN STILL RESPOND IF THERE'S AN ISSUE. WE JUST DON'T HAVE SOMEONE THERE ACTIVELY MONITORING THE AIRPORT DURING THOSE HOURS. NOW, WE DON'T NORMALLY DON'T HAVE ANYONE BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10 P.M. AND 6 A.M, BUT WE HAD WE HAD TO DRAW THOSE HOURS BACK A LITTLE BIT. SO NOW WE ONLY HAVE STAFF ACTUALLY ON THE AIRPORT UNTIL 8:00 ON WEEKDAYS, FROM 8 TO 4 ON WEEKENDS, AND THEN USUALLY 8 TO 4 ON ANY HOLIDAYS AS WELL. THANKS, RYAN. THANKS, MAYOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR, WHAT ARE YOUR BUSIEST AND LEAST BUSY MONTHS OF CALENDAR YEAR? I THOUGHT THAT'D BE EASY. THAT'S A TOUGH ONE BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY MUCH BUSY ALL THE TIME. I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DO SLOW DOWN DURING THE RAINY SEASONS BECAUSE IF IT'S BAD WEATHER, THE SMALLER AIRCRAFT TYPICALLY DON'T FLY. SO HOT, DRY SUNSHINE ALL THE TIME. IN THE SUMMERTIME, WE GET A LOT OF ACTIVITY. DURING THE RAINY SEASONS IT GOES DOWN A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN DURING THE WINTER TIME IT'S STILL VERY STRONG, BUT THERE'S LESS DAYLIGHT HOURS. SO THOSE WHO FLY JUST BY USING KIND OF VISUAL FLIGHT RULES, THEY TYPICALLY FLY LESS AT NIGHT, IF AT ALL. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. I'M JUST ASSUMING THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT REVENUE HERE. COMING UP NEXT. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. I HOW HOW HOW ARE OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHER AGENCIES IN THE COMMUNITY? HOW ARE THEY RESPONDING TO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? WHEN YOU SAY AGENCIES, TEXAS WOMAN'S UNIVERSITY ARE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE FLIGHT SCHOOL OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON WHO WE'RE WORKING WITH AND WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE IN IN THOSE TERMS TO HELP US UNDERSTAND BETTER. ABSOLUTELY. WELL, WITH RESPECT TO OUR, OUR REVENUES AND OUR AND OUR OVERALL BUDGET. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE REALLY GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR UNIVERSITIES. WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH TWU ON THEIR NEW FLIGHT PROGRAM. WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH UNT, PARTICULARLY THEIR AVIATION LOGISTICS PROGRAM. AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE PROBABLY VERY REGULARLY, IF NOT CONSTANTLY TALKING WITH OUR FLIGHT SCHOOLS. OUR FLIGHT SCHOOLS ACCOUNT FOR THE MAJORITY OF OUR OPERATIONS AT THE AIRPORT. THE MAJORITY OF OUR TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS. AND SO WHEN THINGS CHANGE AT THE AIRPORT, THEY'RE USUALLY THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT WE CALL, WHETHER IT'S A CLOSURE OR WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS IS CHANGING WITH WITH HOW WE MANAGE OR HOW WE RUN OUR OPERATIONS. AND SO WE TRY TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT WITH THEM AND SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS. AND I'LL GET INTO THIS HERE IN ANOTHER SLIDE WITH FEEDBACK. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE DID WAS WE REACHED OUT TO ALL OF OUR MAJOR FLIGHT SCHOOLS, AND I PERSONALLY CALLED THEM AND SAID, LET'S MEET. I WANT A CHANCE FOR YOU TO ASK. AND THIS IS OUTSIDE OF OUR TOWN HALLS AND EVERYTHING. LET ME GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS, HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW THIS MIGHT AFFECT YOUR OPERATIONS. SINCE FLIGHT SCHOOLS, THEY ARE A SIGNIFICANT PART OF OUR AIRPORT. AND SO I WOULD SAY OUR RELATIONSHIP IS GOOD, COMMUNICATION IS GOOD. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NECESSARY. BUT IF IT'S IT BENEFITS US TO KNOW HOW HOW THEY'RE OPERATING. AND I THINK IT BENEFITS THEM TO, TO SEE WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE

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PIKE AS FAR AS THE AIRPORT GOES. AND I ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I WANT THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW WHEN WE START GOING INTO THE FEE PART OF ALL OF THIS, HOW SIGNIFICANTLY IMPORTANT IT IS THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE REAL RELATIONSHIPS OUT THERE. AND SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S ALL. YES, MA'AM. ALL I HAD ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. YES, SIR. SO WE'LL MOVE INTO KIND OF JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE GENERAL GENERAL AVIATION FEE STUDY. WE CONTRACTED WITH AIRPORT MANAGEMENT CONSULTING GROUP AMCG LATE LAST YEAR, THE YEAR BEFORE.

AND THEY ARE DOING A COUPLE OF PROJECTS WITH US. THE BIG ONE WAS THE GENERAL AVIATION FEE STUDY. THEY'RE ALSO WORKING ON ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS RIGHT NOW. BUT THE FEE STUDY IS WHAT THEY DID TO ASSESS WHAT THE COMMON PRACTICES WERE IN COMPARABLE AIRPORTS. SO AIRPORTS THAT ARE VERY MUCH LIKE US BUT DON'T NECESSARILY COMPETE WITH US, AND COMPETITIVE AIRPORTS. SO AIRPORTS IN OUR GENERAL AREA, OUR GENERAL VICINITY THAT WE DO COMPETE WITH FOR FLIGHTS. AND THEIR JOB WAS TO ASSESS WHAT WE COULD DO, WHERE WE MIGHT NOT BE BRINGING IN SUFFICIENT REVENUE AND WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF CHANGING OUR RATES AND FEE STRUCTURE. AND AS PART OF THE GOAL OF ALL THIS, THEY WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WE WERE WE WERE SUPPORTING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE PROJECT TO DO IN THE FUTURE. AND A LOT OF THAT DEPENDS ON AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, BUT ALSO THAT WE WERE TAKING A COST CENTER APPROACH WITH IT, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS THOSE THAT DRIVE THE EXPENDITURES, THOSE ACTIVITIES THAT DRIVE THE EXPENDITURES SHOULD RECOVER THOSE COSTS. AND THAT KIND OF COMES INTO PLAY WITH WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE FOR FEES.

AND TO GET RIGHT TO THE POINT, THIS IS WHAT AMCG RECOMMENDED AS FAR AS AIRPORT FEES. THEY RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY INCREASE THE FUEL FLOW FEE. RIGHT NOW, WE CHARGE $0.17 A GALLON FOR ANY GALLONS THAT ARE BROUGHT ONTO THE AIRPORT, AND THEY RECOMMEND THAT WE RAISE THAT TO BY $0.05 TO $0.22 A GALLON. THEY RECOMMENDED THAT THE AIRPORT IMPLEMENT A LANDING FEE FOR LARGER AIRCRAFT, THAT WE IMPLEMENT AN AERONAUTICAL PERMIT FEE, AND THIS IS BASICALLY A BUSINESS FEE. SO IF YOU ENGAGE IN ANY COMMERCIAL AERONAUTICAL BUSINESS ON THE AIRPORT, YOU WOULD PAY AN ANNUAL FEE, AN AIRSIDE ACCESS FEE. SO A FEE FOR YOU TO ACCESS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE, THE SECURE AREA OF THE AIRPORT AND A HANGAR. WEIGHTLESS FEE. THAT'S FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE ON THE LIST TO RENT A CITY OWNED HANGAR. SO THAT WAS JUST FOR THE 27 CITY OWNED HANGARS THAT WE RENT OUT. THEY DID NOT RECOMMEND ANY CHANGES TO OUR HANGAR AND TIE DOWN FEE. THAT FEE IS ESSENTIALLY AN ASSESSMENT THAT WE PLACE ON THE FIXED BASE OPERATOR. SO I BELIEVE IT'S 12% OF ANY REVENUE THEY GET FOR HANGARS. SO PUTTING AN AIRCRAFT IN THEIR HANGAR OR TYING IT DOWN ON THEIR RAMP, WHAT THEY CHARGE THEIR CUSTOMERS, WE GET A 12% RATE ON THAT. SO THEY RECOMMENDED NO CHANGES, AND THEY RECOMMENDED THAT WE FURTHER EVALUATE THE RENTAL RATES OF OUR CITY OWNED HANGARS. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. SO I'LL FOCUS IN MAYBE ON THESE FEES RIGHT HERE. WHEN I MENTIONED COST CENTER APPROACH, THE AERONAUTICAL PERMIT FEE, THE AIRSIDE ACCESS FEES, THESE FEES, WHILE THEY DON'T BRING IN AS MUCH MONEY TO THE AIRPORT AS, SAY, A FUEL FLOW FEE, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY SAY THAT, OKAY, BUSINESSES, IT TAKES STAFF TIME TO ADMINISTER OUR MINIMUM OPERATING STANDARDS, TO VERIFY INSURANCE, TO ESSENTIALLY MAKE SURE THAT THAT OUR PERMITS OR PERMIT REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING UPHELD. YOU SHOULD PAY THAT COST THAT SHOULD NOT BE SPREAD ACROSS OTHER AIRPORT USERS. SAME FOR THE ACCESS FEE. YOU KNOW, IT TAKES MONEY AND STAFF TIME TO MAINTAIN OUR GATES, OUR FENCES, OUR CARD SYSTEM. SO ONLY THOSE WHO USE THAT SHOULD BE CHARGED, NOT PEOPLE WHO DON'T USE IT. AND SO THAT WAS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR SOME OF THESE SMALLER FEES. WHILE THEY DON'T MOVE THE NEEDLE IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, THEY ARE WORKING TOWARDS THAT COST CENTER APPROACH WHERE THOSE WHO ARE DRIVING THE EXPENDITURES CAN FUND THOSE EXPENDITURES. SO ONCE WE GOT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE TOOK IT OUT TO THE AIRPORT PUBLIC. WE HELD TWO TOWN HALLS. WE BUILT A DISGUSTING PAGE. THANK YOU TO COMMUNICATIONS FOR HELP WITH THAT. AND WE AGAIN HAD ONE ON ONE MEETINGS WITH OUR LARGE CUSTOMERS, OUR LARGE BUSINESSES ON THE AIRPORT. THOSE FOLKS WHO HAD EITHER A BIG PRESENCE PHYSICALLY ON THE AIRPORT OR THEY DID A LOT OF FLIGHTS. SO THAT WAS OUR FLIGHT SCHOOLS. MED-TRANS, OF COURSE, OUR FBO, OUR FIXED BASE OPERATOR, SHELTAIR. AND WHAT WE FOUND OVERALL WAS THAT THERE WERE REALLY FEW CONCERNS WITH ACCESS FEES, WEIGHTLESS FEES AND PERMIT FEES. NO ONE REALLY HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT. FUEL FLOW FEE INCREASES. THEY ALL AGREED THAT THEY'RE NOT DESIRED, BUT THAT IF WE HAD TO GET REVENUE FROM

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SOMEWHERE, THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WAS IT WAS ACCEPTABLE. IF THERE WAS REALLY NO BETTER OPTION. WE HAD SOME MIXED FEEDBACK ON LANDING FEES. THERE WAS CONCERN THAT THERE WOULD BE AN IMPACT ON BUSINESSES AND ITINERANT TRAFFIC IF WE CHARGED LARGER AIRCRAFT TO COME TO THE AIRPORT AND NOT A PART OF THIS PRESENTATION. BUT WE WANT TO ATTRACT LARGER AIRPORT FOR THE SAME REASON THAT COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER MENTIONED EARLIER. PER OPERATION, YOU SELL MORE GAS TO LARGER AIRCRAFT. SO WE WANT TO ATTRACT THAT IF WE CAN, AND WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO PROVIDE A BARRIER TO IT IF, IF WE CAN AVOID IT. THERE WAS CONCERN THAT THE LANDING FEE COULD, WHILE IT WOULD ONLY BE APPLIED TO LARGE AIRCRAFT AT FIRST, THAT IT COULD BE EXTENDED TO SMALL AIRCRAFT, WHICH WOULD COUNCILMEMBER BYRD, WHICH WOULD REALLY IMPACT OUR FLIGHT SCHOOLS WHO DO A LOT OF LANDINGS EVERY DAY. THERE WAS SOME SUPPORT FOR LANDING FEES IN COMPARISON TO FUEL FLOW FEE INCREASES, BUT IT WAS VERY SMALL COMPARED TO THE REST. AND THEN THERE WAS AN OVERALL DESIRE FOR GENERAL FUND SUPPORT IN RECOGNITION OF THE AIRPORT'S ECONOMIC IMPACT, AND THAT THAT WAS EXPRESSED IN A COUPLE OF OUR TOWN HALLS BY A COUPLE OF PERSONS. AND IT WAS ALSO EXPRESSED IN THE ARB MEETING. BUT I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT THE GENERAL FUND DID FINANCIALLY SUPPORT THE AIRPORT UP TO AND THROUGH THE YEAR 2000. SO THERE WAS SUPPORT THERE. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THE GENERAL FUND NEVER DID HELP THE AIRPORT OUT. WITH OUR DISGUSTING WEB PAGE. WE HAD ABOUT 200 VISITS, BUT REALLY ONLY THREE COMMENTS THAT RELATED TO CITY OWNED HANGAR RENT AND FOLKS WANTING US TO MAKE SURE WE OPTIMIZE AND REALLY GET THE MOST OUT OF THOSE CITY OWNED HANGARS AS WE CAN IN TERMS OF RENT REVENUE. AND THAT BRINGS US TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THE ARB RECOMMENDATION. AND THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME. SO, STAFF, WE DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD AND RECOMMEND TO THE AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD ALL OF AMG'S RECOMMENDATIONS EXCEPT FOR THE LANDING FEE. SO THAT WOULD BE TO IMPLEMENT AN ACCESS FEE, A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OR A COMMERCIAL PERMIT FEE AND A WAIT LIST FEE. INCREASE OUR FUEL FLOW FEE BY $0.05 AND $0.08 FOR ANYONE WHO HAS A THEIR OWN FUEL TANK, SO THE $0.05 IS LEVIED ON THE FIXED BASE OPERATOR WHO SERVES EVERYONE OUT THERE. BUT IF A BUSINESS HAS THEIR OWN FUEL TANK AND THEY SERVE THEMSELVES, IT WOULD BE $0.08. AND WE WANT TO INCREASE OUR CITY OWNED HANGAR RATE BY APPROXIMATELY 25%. THAT SEEMS STEEP WHEN YOU FIRST LOOK AT IT. WE DID THE NUMBERS AND WE LOOKED AT WHAT WE CHARGE FOR OUR HANGARS VERSUS WHAT THE THREE OTHER SIGNIFICANT HANGAR LEASERS ON THE AIRPORT CHARGE. AND WE ARE ABOUT 40% OF THE MARKET. SO COMPARING T HANGARS, SIMILAR T HANGARS, OURS ARE SEVEN YEARS OLD, OTHER T AND WE CHARGE $350 A MONTH FOR THOSE OTHER T HANGARS, SAME SIZE, MAYBE 20 YEARS OLDER, MAYBE 40 YEARS OLD, CHARGED ANYWHERE FROM 600 TO $800 A MONTH. SO WE'RE SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW THE MARKET, WHICH NOT ONLY ACCOUNTS FOR REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY LOSS OF REVENUE FOR US, BUT ALSO IT PUTS US IN A POSITION WE ARE, I'LL SAY, PERHAPS COMPETING A LITTLE UNFAIRLY WITH THE PRIVATE MARKET ON THE AIRPORT. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND AS WELL. AND I'LL SAY THOSE WHO CHARGE THE 600 TO $800 RANGE, THEY ARE FULL. THE MARKET FOR HANGARS IS SO STRONG IN DFW THAT THEY ARE FULL. SO AN ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION THAT WE PROPOSED WAS THAT WE ALSO LOOK INTO DIFFERENT MANAGEMENT OR OWNERSHIP STRUCTURES FOR THOSE HANGARS, SO THAT THEY CAN BE MORE RESPONSIVE TO THE MARKET. AS YOU KNOW, WE CAN ONLY SET FEES ONCE A YEAR TYPICALLY AT MOST. SO IF THERE'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE TO FIND A DIFFERENT A DIFFERENT METHOD OF DOING THAT TO BE MORE RESPONSIVE TO THE MARKET, PERHAPS WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT. SO THE REASON WE ARE RECOMMENDING ALL OF THIS, IT SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCES OUR FUND BALANCE LOSS. IT'S GREATER PROTECTION AGAINST UNANTICIPATED COSTS. AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME NUMBERS ON THE NEXT SLIDE. AND IT BRINGS THE CITY OWNED HANGARS, AS I MENTIONED, CLOSER TO WHAT THE MARKET WILL SUPPORT IN TERMS OF IN TERMS OF REVENUE AND IN TERMS OF RENT FEES. SO I LAID IT OUT AS SIMPLY AS I COULD IF WE WERE TO TAKE NO ACTION ON AIRPORT RATES AND FEES IN THE YEAR. FISCAL YEAR 2829, OUR CHANGE IN THE FUND BALANCE WOULD BE $238,000, SO WE WOULD LOSE $238,000 OUT OF OUR FUND BALANCE TO COVER OUR REVENUE SHORTFALLS.

IF WE IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT GOES DOWN TO PRACTICALLY NIL $151. THE

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ENDING FUND BALANCE WOULD BE IF WE DID, NOTHING WOULD BE 1.9 MILLION. IF WE IMPLEMENT THESE CHANGES, OUR ENDING FUND BALANCE IS 2.8 MILLION. AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE FIVE YEAR CUMULATIVE LOSS IN THE FUND BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO OPTIONS. SO WHILE THIS DOES NOT GET US FULLY IN THE BLACK, THIS IS A REALLY GREAT STEP TOWARDS GETTING US CLOSER TO A YEAR OVER YEAR REVENUE POSITIVE OUTLOOK IN OUR FIVE YEAR PROJECTIONS, AND THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF UNKNOWNS THAT MAY PROVE BENEFICIAL TO THE AIRPORT. ONE LOOT 288 IS GOING TO BUILD A ROAD. WE DON'T KNOW WHEN, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT DOWN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AIRPORT. THAT WILL OPEN UP ACCESS TO THE WEST SIDE, SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THAT.

BUT NOT ONLY THAT, THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY THE AIRPORT FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS ABOUT $923,000 DROPPED IN OUR FUND BALANCE. WE ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE EXPECT TO HAPPEN IN THE COMING YEARS. THE COUNCIL HERE IN THE LAST 3 OR 4 MONTHS HAS SEEN TWO LEASES COME THROUGH THAT ARE ALMOST 200,000, WORTH $200,000 A YEAR IN REVENUE TO THE CITY LAND LEASES. AND WE HAVE SEVERAL MORE DEVELOPABLE PROPERTIES THAT WE ARE WORKING TO GET A LEASE ON AND HAVE THEM DEVELOP. WE ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY REVERSIONS. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR THIS YEAR WITH THE AIRPORT. WHENEVER A LEASE ENDS, WE TAKE BACK THAT PROPERTY, TAKE BACK THE LAND AND ANY BUILDINGS ON IT, AND WE CAN RENT THAT BUILDING OUT AT A FULL MARKET RATE. SO THAT COULD POTENTIALLY TURN A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE'RE COLLECTING, SAY, ROUND NUMBERS, $10,000 ON A YEAR. AND WE COULD MAKE POTENTIALLY SEVEN, EIGHT, EVEN TEN TIMES THAT MUCH BASED ON ONE PROPERTY. WHEN IT REVERTS BACK TO US. NOW, IT IS AN OLDER BUILDING. OUR GOAL WILL SHIFT IN DUE TIME TO REDEVELOPING IT, BUT WE CAN MAKE THAT A REVENUE GENERATING PROPERTY WHEN IT COMES BACK. WE HAVE FOUR PROPERTIES THAT ARE DOING THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS IN 2025, AND WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER 2 OR 3 IN 2027 THAT WILL DO THE SAME THING. AND OF COURSE, FUEL SALES INCREASES. WE WANT TO GET AIRCRAFT THAT THAT BUY FUEL HERE, THAT BUY A LOT OF FUEL HERE. AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN ATTRACT LARGER AIRCRAFT TO DENTON ENTERPRISE AIRPORT, WE WANT TO DO THAT. AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN GET THEM TO BASE HERE, WE WANT TO DO THAT. AND THEN I GAVE A COUPLE OF USER IMPACTS. SO IF WE ADOPTED THIS FUEL FEE INCREASE, WHAT WOULD THE IMPACT TO THE CUSTOMER BE? IT'D BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PAYING $5.50 PER GALLON TO PAYING $5.55 PER GALLON WOULD BE LESS THAN 1% OF AN IMPACT. THE AVERAGE PERMIT COST OVER FIVE YEARS IS $3,700. THE AVERAGE MONTHLY CITY HANGAR INCREASE IS $130. HOWEVER, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'RE AT ABOUT 40% OF THE MARKET, AND SO I FEEL THAT WE CAN RAISE THOSE 25% AND STILL MAINTAIN OUR OCCUPANCY. I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT BASED ON THE DEMAND AND BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 150 PERSON WAIT LIST RIGHT NOW, AND THOSE PEOPLE NEED A PLACE TO PUT THEIR AIRCRAFT, AND WE SHOULDN'T BE CHARGING LESS THAN, SAY, A U-HAUL STORAGE DOWN THE STREET.

SO. SO DIRECTION AND NEXT STEPS. WE ARE SEEKING DIRECTION FOR FROM COUNCIL ON BRINGING FORWARD AN ORDINANCE TO UPDATE OUR RATES AND FEES. OF COURSE, YOU'VE SEEN OUR RECOMMENDATION. WE WOULD BRING THIS FORWARD ON FEBRUARY 11TH WITH THE RATE CHANGES TO GO INTO EFFECT ON APRIL 1ST, WHICH IS THE MID-YEAR OF OUR FISCAL YEAR. AND IT'S OUR INTENTION TO DO AN EVALUATION LIKE THIS A FEE STUDY, A FEE ANALYSIS EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE KEEPING UP WITH WHERE WE NEED TO BE ON OUR REVENUE. A LOT OF WORDS FROM ME. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS PATIENCE.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT SIX. NOT A QUESTION, COUNCILPERSON JESTER, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE MY FEEDBACK IN THAT I PROPOSE THAT WE ACCEPT ALL OF THE RECOMMENDED DIRECTION. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE PREPARATION THAT YOU GAVE US SO THAT WE COULD SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN OTHER AREAS, ALL THE STUDIES THAT WERE DONE, ALL THE OUTREACH THAT WAS DONE WITH THAT. I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT EACH OF THESE ARE NEEDED SO THAT WE CAN BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE TO OUR CITIZENS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THAT'S MY FEEDBACK. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE I'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE DIRECTION TO. YEAH I REALLY APPRECIATED THE VERY THOUGHTFUL, WELL CONSIDERED ANALYSIS AND PERSUASIVE ANALYSIS. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU COULD PROBABLY GO FURTHER THAN YOU ARE, BUT I THINK THAT THAT IT IS JUDICIOUS TO TAKE REASONABLE STEPS AND KIND OF SEE WHAT THE IMPACT ON

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THE MARKET IS AND SEE HOW WE CAN ABSORB IT. AND YOU GET TO DO THIS AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. SO, YEAH, I SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE FIVE AND THEN TWO. I'M GOING TO JUMP AROUND ALL OVER THE PLACE IF YOU DON'T MIND. RYAN. YEAH I'M PICKING UP RIGHT WHERE MAYOR PRO TEM LEFT OFF. YOU COULD GO FURTHER. THIS STILL LEAVES US WITH, YOU KNOW, IN THE RED, ALBEIT SMALL. WHY NOT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BLACK? WHY NOT PUSH IT EVEN A LITTLE FURTHER SO THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING MONEY? WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. AND I THINK. WHAT LET ME GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE RIGHT THERE. WE DIDN'T WANT TO OVERSHOOT AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE THESE OTHER THINGS. THESE OTHER UNKNOWNS FALL INTO PLACE. AND KNOWING THAT WE COME ARE GOING TO COME BACK EVERY YEAR THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AND BE ABLE TO REALLY REVISIT EVERYTHING ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. WE DIDN'T FEEL THE NEED TO TAKE SUCH A LARGE STEP RIGHT NOW, AND PARTICULARLY WITH THE FEES FOR FUEL FLOW, WHICH WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, HEY, LET'S IF WE RAISE IT THIS MUCH, WE'RE STILL IN COMPETITION WITH OTHER AIRPORTS. LET'S SEE HOW THIS KIND OF AFFECTS THINGS. WE DON'T WANT TO LEAP FAR OUT AHEAD AND MAKE IT VERY PLAINLY VISIBLE THAT WE ARE. WE ARE AHEAD OF OUR COMPETITORS. AND THEN WITH, SAY, WITH REGARD TO THE CITY OWNED HANGARS, COULD WE RAISE THEM MAYBE 75% AND BE VERY CLOSE TO WHAT THE MARKET IS CHARGING? WE PROBABLY COULD. MY FEELING WAS, IS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO THROW ON THE FOLKS WHO ARE ALREADY THERE, WHO WE'VE ESTABLISHED GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH, TO PUT THAT BURDEN ON THEM ALL AT ONCE. WHEN WE, AS THE AIRPORT CAN SEE AN AVENUE TO MAYBE GET THERE IN INCREMENTAL STEPS. SO THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE CHOSE, AND THAT'S WHAT THE AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD SUPPORTED. SO TRADITIONALLY, WHEN THIS COUNCIL HAS RAISED OTHER FEES, WE'VE LOOKED AT PHASING IN A MORE GRADUAL APPROACH. HOW GRADUAL WILL THIS BE IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTING WHAT WE HAVE HERE. SO WE ARE GOING TO IMPLEMENT CERTAIN THINGS RIGHT RIGHT OFF THE BAT. YEAH. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT MAY TAKE SOME INFRASTRUCTURAL CHANGES. SO FOR INSTANCE. SOME OF THESE ACCESS AND PERMIT FEES, WE'RE GOING TO ASSESS HOW MUCH OUR SYSTEM CAN CAN TAKE DOING THOSE FOR INSTANCE ACCESS FEES. WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO IS PROBABLY IMPLEMENT THOSE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. SO THAT EVERY YEAR OR EVERY TWO YEARS, WE AREN'T HAVING TO RENEW EVERYONE AT THE SAME TIME. THAT'S JUST AN OPERATIONAL BENEFIT FOR US. BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR INTENT IS THAT WE DEPLOY THESE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN TO RECOUP THE BENEFITS AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN VERSUS THE MORE PHASED IN APPROACH. THAT TAKES A COUPLE OF YEARS.

CORRECT. I GUESS TALK ME THROUGH WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT TO DO IT IN A MORE PHASED IN WAY. IS IT JUST SIMPLY ABOUT RECOUPING THE REVENUE FAST ENOUGH? IF IT IS, I ACCEPT IT. IT'S SIMPLY THAT WE'RE WE'RE PROJECTING TO BE UPSIDE DOWN EVERY YEAR, AND WE WANT TO TURN THE CORNER AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. I FEEL LIKE I HEARD A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT MIGHT BE IN CONFLICT. YOU SAID THAT THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS WE CAN LOOK AT THESE EVERY YEAR, BUT THEN YOU SAID YOU INTEND TO LOOK AT THIS MORE COMPREHENSIVELY. FIVE YEARS. I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS KIND OF LIKE THE IMPACT FEE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD, HOW WE WOULD LOOK AT IT A MORE BIANNUAL BASIS, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO WE WOULD DO EVERY YEAR WE WOULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE LEVELS THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR OUR RATES AND FEES. BUT EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS WE WOULD DO A MUCH DEEPER. AND IF FINANCES HERE AND THEY WANT TO COMMENT ON IT, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT HERE. NOTHING SPECIFIC, JUST GENERAL.

YEAH WE WOULD DO A DEEPER DIVE. SO WE WOULD DO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE DID THIS TIME WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A CONSULTANT GO AND REALLY JUST TELL US WHAT THE INDUSTRY IS DOING, NOT ONLY HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, FAR OUT, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THE FULL STUDY WOULD BE EVERY FIVE YEARS, FULL STUDY WOULD BE EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS. BUT WE WOULD DO FINE TUNING EVERY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO FINE TUNE EVERY YEAR THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. SO ALL THE FUEL THAT'S COMING ON IS GOING TO BE INCREASED BY $0.05. CORRECT. JET FUEL AND DIESEL, ALL FUEL. YEAH. ALL FUEL. EVEN THOUGH THE PRICE OF. I GUESS WHY WOULDN'T IT BE TIED TO SOMETHING LIKE CPI OR WHY WOULDN'T IT BE KIND OF THE FUEL INCREASE BE EVALUATED ON A YEARLY BASIS AS WELL? IT COULD BE THE FUEL AND IT'S AGAIN, IT'S A FUEL FLOW FEE. SO IT'S JUST CHARGING WHAT COMES ON TO THE AIRPORT. WHAT IS ACTUALLY CHARGED TO THE CONSUMER IS THAT IS BASED UP TO THE PERSON SELLING IT, AND THAT'S THE FBO SHELTAIR. SO WE DON'T MAKE A DISTINCTION REALLY IN WHETHER IT'S JET A OR WHETHER IT

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IS AVGAS, THE TYPE OF FUEL, WE DON'T MAKE A DISTINCTION. IT'S THE SAME CHARGE. EITHER WAY.

WE'VE NOT FOUND THAT THERE'S REALLY A BENEFIT INTO SPLITTING THOSE CHARGES. I'M SURE SOME AIRPORTS DO AT THIS POINT. RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T FEEL THAT THAT GIVES US REALLY ANYTHING. AND LAST QUESTION, IF I MIGHT. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PRESSURE FOR FOLKS WANTING TO CONTINUE TO BE HERE AT THE AIRPORT. THIS IS A THEORETICAL QUESTION. IF I GIVE YOU A THEORETICAL ANSWER, ALL RIGHT. IF THERE WERE MORE SPACE HANGAR SPACE AT THE AIRPORT, WOULD WE STILL BE DOING THIS? I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD MORE USERS, WOULD WE STILL HAVE THE SHORTFALL? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, ONCE 288 COMES ONLINE, WE'LL BE BUILDING MORE TO HAVE MORE CAPACITY. CAPACITY VERSUS FEE INCREASE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TRYING TO ASK? YEAH.

OKAY. AND THAT'S THE LAST QUESTION. THANK YOU RYAN I'LL SAY I DON'T THINK IT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD IT WOULD HELP. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD COMPLETELY TAKE THE PROBLEM AWAY. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR FEES TO, TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE REALISTIC TO MATCH OUR EXPENSES BECAUSE OUR EXPENSES ARE SIGNIFICANT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF PAVEMENT OUT THERE, BUT THE MORE WE DEVELOP AND THE MORE WE CAN HAVE MORE DEVELOPMENT USING THAT SAME INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT CREATING NEW INFRASTRUCTURE, WE DO GET AHEAD OF IT A LITTLE BIT. DEVELOPMENT WILL HELP, BUT WE DO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR FEES ARE SUFFICIENT BECAUSE IT'S I DON'T BELIEVE BASED ON ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN, THAT THAT DEVELOPING EVERY PROPERTY WOULD GET US COMPLETELY OVER THE HUMP. BUT PART OF THAT IS THE QUALITY OF DEVELOPMENT. SO IF YOU HAVE HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT THAT BRINGS IN, SAY, AIRCRAFT THAT FLY A LOT OR LARGER AIRCRAFT THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKE UP REVENUE IN OTHER AREAS, IT POTENTIALLY COULD. SO THEORETICAL ANSWER, IT POTENTIALLY COULD. BUT RIGHT NOW WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPABLE PROPERTIES WE HAVE, I DON'T THINK THAT IT COULD GET US ALL THE WAY THERE. OKAY. YEAH I'M A YES. THANKS FOR ALL THE BACKUP. WELL DONE. THANK YOU BRIAN. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. I THINK I HEARD THE ANSWERS TO MOST OF MY QUESTIONS, BUT LET ME MAKE SURE. YEAH. DID WE BUILD OR DID YOU. DID I JUST MISS IT? DID WE BUILD IN THE COST OF THE NEW BUILDING PARADIGMS LIKE VERSUS? WE DON'T WE DON'T BILL IN THOSE WAYS RIGHT NOW. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING NEW BUILDING PARADIGMS. DO WE KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST US, OR IS THAT A DE MINIMIS AMOUNT OF EXTRA STAFF. IT'S DE MINIMIS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A AN IMPLEMENTATION, A COST REALLY AN IMPLEMENTATION OF HUMAN CAPITAL AND SETTING SYSTEMS UP SO THAT WE CAN BUILD APPROPRIATELY. BUT ONCE IT'S DONE, IT CAN GO FORWARD. AND IT'S IN TERMS OF JUST THE SOFTWARE COST, IT'S REALLY NOTHING THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE A BIG IMPACT. YEAH. GOOD. AND I HEARD YOU TELL MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCILOR MCGEE. BUT LET ME ASK IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. I, I KNOW WE'RE ANTICIPATING GROWTH. PLUS WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO DO COST RECOVERY. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU SPLIT THAT BABY? HAVE YOU HAVE YOU ASSESSED HOW MUCH OF OUR FUTURE REVENUE NEEDS WILL BE MET BY GROWTH AND HOW MUCH OF OUR FUTURE REVENUE NEEDS WILL NOT BE MET BY GROWTH AND WHERE WHERE IN THESE FEE STRUCTURES, YOU KNOW, ARE THOSE TWO COMPONENTS LANDING? AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE FRAMEWORK FOR WHY I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION. WE WE'RE A TOP SUCCESSFUL AIRPORT IN THE STATE. AND, AND I GUESS MY QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO IS SOME OF THAT SUCCESS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ASSISTING AND WILL WE IMPACT OUR SUCCESS BY. IMPACTING OUR ABILITY TO MEET MEET FUTURE GROWTH PROJECTIONS? YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S THE LINE ANGLE OF MY QUESTION. SO I THINK TO ANSWER THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION, HAVE WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S MAYBE THE THRESHOLD OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GET TO IN ORDER TO HAVE HAVE IT REALLY TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF OUR REVENUE NEEDS? WE'VE NOT DONE THAT STUDY. THE CHALLENGE WITH AIRPORT. AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT, AND PARTICULARLY AS WE BECOME MORE DEVELOPED OUT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE AIRPORT, IS ALL THE GREAT DEVELOPMENT SPOTS ARE THEY'RE TAKEN OR THEY'RE ABOUT TO BE TAKEN. AND SO WHAT'S LEFT ARE MORE CHALLENGING DEVELOPMENT SPOTS, DEVELOPMENT AREAS THAT WE HAVE TO REALLY GO FIND, MAYBE A VERY SPECIFIC USE OR A VERY SPECIFIC WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND THEY WON'T COME TO US. WE HAVE TO GO FIND SOMEONE TO DEVELOP IT. AND THAT TAKES TIME. AND THAT LIKELY MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN IN OUR FIVE YEAR WINDOW.

SO IT'S NOT REALLY A GUARANTEE AS MUCH. NOW WHENEVER THE WEST SIDE DOES OPEN, WHENEVER LUKE 288 IS CONSTRUCTED, YOU HAVE 150 ACRES OF BLANK CANVAS THAT WILL PROVIDE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF

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REVENUE. HOWEVER, IT ALSO COMES WITH NEW TAXIWAYS, NEW TAXI LANES, AND THE CONFIGURATION OF THAT WHICH WILL HOPEFULLY BE, WELL, NOT HOPEFULLY, WHICH WILL BE REALLY AT LEAST AT A HIGH LEVEL SPELLED OUT IN OUR MASTER PLAN. YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WILL TELL US KIND OF WHAT WHAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ON THAT SIDE WILL BE, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO KIND OF GET A BETTER HANDLE OF WHAT THE OVER UNDER OF DEVELOPMENT, THE OVERAGE OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE FOR, FOR THE WEST SIDE. SO AND SORT OF THE LAST HALF QUESTION IS SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE IT SEEM LIKE, OKAY, WELL MAYBE THIS IS MY INTERPRETATION. SO THAT'S WHY I'M CHECKING WITH YOU. ARE WE SHIFTING OUR EMPHASIS TOWARDS MORE TOWARD LARGER SCALE PARTICIPANTS AT THE AIRPORT FROM SMALLER SCALE, OR. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT? OR ARE WE SEEING THAT? WHAT'S THE MANY OF OUR OUR USERS ARE SMALLER SCALE. THERE ARE SOME MEDIUM AND SOME LARGER SCALE. WHERE ARE WE SHIFTING THINGS OR IT'S JUST SHIFTING ON ITS OWN OR IT'S NOT SHIFTING AT ALL? WELL, WHAT WE'VE SEEN, WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, LARGE AIRCRAFT, FREQUENT DENTON ENTERPRISE AIRPORT LESS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. AND I TRY TO MAYBE MAKE IT SIMILAR TO PROPERTY TAXES BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. IF YOU HAVE NO COMMERCIAL, THAT PROPERTY TAX BURDEN FALLS ALL ON YOUR RESIDENTS IS THE SMALLER THE SMALLER RESIDENCES, BUT IF YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF COMMERCIAL, THEY CAN FUND A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN OUTSIZED AMOUNT OF THE GOVERNMENT OPERATION. SAME THING WITH THE AIRPORT. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REMOVE ANY OF OUR SMALL AIRCRAFT AT ALL. WE NEED TO HAVE A DIVERSE MIX OF AIRCRAFT, BUT IF WE CAN ATTRACT LARGER AIRCRAFT THAT PER OPERATION, PAY MORE REVENUE INTO THE AIRPORT, THAT BENEFITS THE AIRPORT AND IT BENEFITS OUR SMALLER USERS BECAUSE OVER TIME THEY HAVE LESS OF A OF A OF A BURDEN TO MAKE UP THAT REVENUE. SO IT'S GOOD FOR US TO DO. BUT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ATTRACT LARGER AIRCRAFT, MAKE IT KIND OF REAP THE BENEFIT OF THAT, AND REALLY TRY TO GET TO WHERE WE HAD BEEN WITH OUR LARGE AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS. LIKE I SAID, THEY HAVE THEY HAVE FALLEN OFF A LITTLE BIT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. ALL RIGHT.

NO, I APPRECIATE I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER. I'M GOOD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF, MR. MAYOR. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. THEN I'M A YES. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. I'M GOING TO KEEP IT ON KINDERGARTEN LEVEL FOR YOU AFTER THAT LAST ANSWER, I WAS HEARING YOU SAY EARLIER THAT THE FUNDING, THE DEBTS HAD STARTED TO BECOME RECOGNIZABLE HERE IN THE LAST FOUR, 4 OR 5 YEARS OR TWO OUT OF THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING SOME DEBT ISSUES THERE. IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND? THE AIRPORT HAS ALWAYS HAD DEBT SERVICE, THAT IT PAID THAT THAT WAS PAID EVERY YEAR. YEAH. UP UNTIL 2000, I THINK 2001 WAS THE FIRST YEAR UP UNTIL UP THROUGH 2000, THE GENERAL FUND PAID FOR THAT DEBT. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH MY QUESTION IN THAT REGARD.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE GENERAL FUND IS NO LONGER PAYING FOR THE DEBT. WHAT IS IT KEEPING US FROM REQUESTING THAT WE PICK UP THE DEBT FROM THE GENERAL FUNDS? AGAIN? WHY ARE WE I MEAN, WILL IT BE HELPFUL TO ASK, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S OUT OF THE QUESTION? TELL ME WHY WE'RE NOT CONNECTING THE GENERAL FUNDS COVERAGE RIGHT NOW. SO OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT'S A POLICY DECISION OF COUNCIL. BUT I WILL SAY THIS, THAT JUST LIKE ANY. ANY OH ENTERPRISE FUND, THANK YOU. ANY ANY ENTERPRISE FUND, IT REALLY SHOULD BE THE AIRPORT THAT COVERS ITS COSTS.

AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S NOT A GENERAL PRACTICE THAT TAXPAYERS BROADLY COVER THE COST OF AN AIRPORT THAT ONLY A FEW PEOPLE CAN USE. AND THOSE FOLKS WHO USE THE AIRPORT. AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF AN FAA STANDARD AND REALLY A HISTORICAL PRACTICE THAT THOSE WHO USE THE AIRPORT COVER THE COSTS. OKAY. AND THE FAA EXPECTS THAT THE AIRPORT DO EVERYTHING IT CAN TO COVER ITS OWN COSTS BEFORE IT'S FUNDED BY AN OUTSIDE FUND, LIKE A GENERAL FUND. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. AND I'LL SUPPORT THE EFFORT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

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REPRESENTATIVE IN DISTRICT FIVE, ONE QUICK QUESTION. HEY, I HEARD YOU TALKED TO. I HEARD YOU TALKING TO DOCTOR BECK. WE WANT MORE LARGER AIRCRAFTS. LARGER AIRCRAFTS MEANS RUNWAY BREAKS DOWN QUICKER. INCREASED MAINTENANCE. WHAT'S THE BALANCE ON THAT? DEPENDS ON HOW HEAVY THE AIRCRAFT. RIGHT NOW WE CAN HANDLE AIRCRAFT LESS THAN 100,000. SO IF YOU GOT ONE CAN FLY IN LESS THAN 100,000 POUNDS, I SHOULD SAY. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding proposed amendments to the Cole Ranch Improvement District’s Operating and Project Agreements. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

COUNCIL MEMBERS. TAKES US TO ITEM B, ID 242099. RECEIVE REPORT, WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO COLE RANCH IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS.

GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL CHARLIE ROSENTHAL, THE BUSINESS SERVICES MANAGER FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU TODAY IS A REQUEST FROM THE COLE RANCH DEVELOPMENT TO AMEND THE OPERATING AND PROJECT AGREEMENTS FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT, SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE FOR HUNTER RANCH BACK IN APRIL AND MAY OF THIS YEAR. THIS IS THE SAME PRESENTATION WE DID FOR THAT OPERATING AND PROJECT AMENDMENTS, BUT WITH A FEW DIFFERENCES THAT I'LL POINT OUT AS WE GO ALONG. SO JUST SOME BACKGROUND ON THE DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS A 3169 ACRE MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY. IT CONTEMPLATES 5100 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, 3200 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND A MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ACREAGE. BACK IN 2019, THE STATE LEGISLATOR LEGISLATION APPROVED THE CREATION OF THE MMD, AND THEN CITY COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION AND AN APPROVAL IN 2020, SO WE HAVE TWO MAIN AGREEMENTS WITH THESE MDS. THERE'S A PROJECT AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER OUTLINING THE PROJECTS TO BE COMPLETED WITHIN THE DISTRICT, AND THEN AN OPERATING AGREEMENT WITH THE DISTRICT TO DISCUSS THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION OF THOSE PROJECTS, AND THEN BETWEEN THE DISTRICT AND THE DEVELOPER, THERE'S A REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE DEVELOPER TO BE REIMBURSED FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. THERE IS HERE A JOINDER AGREEMENT ALSO THAT ALLOWS THE SUBDIVISION OF DISTRICTS CURRENTLY UNDER THE OPERATING AGREEMENT, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO SUBDIVIDE EACH INTO FOUR SEPARATE DISTRICTS. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THIS SLIDE THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TO THE OPERATING AGREEMENT AND THE PROJECT AGREEMENT. THOSE ITEMS IN RED ARE THE ONES THAT CITY COUNCIL ALSO APPROVED FOR THE HUNTER RANCH, MMD AND THEN THE AREA IN TEAL ARE SOME OF THE CHANGES BEING PROPOSED AS A RESULT OF THIS REQUEST. SO HERE THEY'RE SEEKING TO INCREASE THEIR TAX RATE. THEY'RE SEEKING TO CREATE THE ALLOWANCE FOR A REGIONAL DISTRICT AND TO ALLOW FOR SUPPLEMENTAL PROJECTS, AND NOT JUST THE PROJECTS LISTED IN THE CURRENT OPERATING AGREEMENT. WE WOULD ADD CONDITIONS OF CONSTRUCTION, TIMING AND EASEMENT ACQUISITIONS AND THEN ALSO REMOVE THE MAXIMUM DEVELOPER REIMBURSEMENT COSTS ON THE PROJECT AGREEMENT. WE WOULD INCREASE THE PARKS AND TRAILS TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL TEN FOOT TRAIL LOOP, AND THEN AND ALSO ADD A HOMESTEAD EVENT CENTER AND THEN SIMILAR TO THE HUNTER AMENDMENT, WE WOULD INCREASE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COSTS AS WELL. SO TO GO IN A BIT MORE DETAIL, CURRENTLY THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE A 55 CENT TAX RATE. THAT'S $0.49 FOR THE BENCHMARK TAX RATE, WHICH IS $0.39 TO DEBT SERVICE AND TEN $0.10 FOR O&M. AND THEN A CONTRACT TAX THAT'S USED TO HELP FUND CITY OFF SITE PROJECTS. AND THEY HAVE A BOND REIMBURSEMENT CAP OF $350 MILLION. WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS TO INCREASE THAT 49 CENT BENCHMARK TAX RATE, UP TO $0.71, TO ALLOW THEM TO COMPLETE THE PROJECTS IN THE PROJECT AGREEMENT, AND THEN ALSO REMOVE THE BOND REIMBURSEMENT CAP AND SET THE $0.71 TAX RATE LIMIT TO THE CAP FOR THE TOTAL, THE TOTAL THAT THEY CAN PULL FROM BONDS. HERE. ALSO, YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT SITUATION WHERE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO SUBDIVIDE INTO FOUR SEPARATE DISTRICTS. WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS TO ALLOW THEM TO CREATE A REGIONAL DISTRICT AND THEN SUBDIVIDE INTO SMALLER DISTRICTS, MAINLY TO HELP FUND THE PARKS INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE SEPARATE DISTRICTS WITH THE REGIONAL DISTRICT DISTRICTS DOING THE MORE REGIONAL PROJECTS IN NATURE, AND THEN ALSO THE ALLOWANCE OF SUPPLEMENTAL PROJECTS. SO IF THEY WERE TO COMPLETE PROJECTS ON THE APPROVED PROJECT LIST, THEY COULD ADD IN ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTAL PROJECTS, AS LONG

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AS IT STILL FITS UNDER THAT TOTAL TAX REIMBURSEMENT CAP. SO HERE YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE CHANGES BEING PROPOSED IN THE CITIES BENEFIT. THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING FROM 1.5 MILLION TO 3 MILLION. AND I SHOULD POINT OUT HERE ALSO SAME AS THE PRIOR SLIDE, THOSE ITEMS IN RED ARE ONES THAT WE'VE ALSO DONE ON THE HUNTER RANCH AMENDMENT, WITH THE ITEMS IN TEAL BEING THE ADDITIONAL CHANGES FOR THE COLE RANCH PROPOSAL. SO THEY'RE SEEKING TO ADD A TIMING COMMITMENT OF STARTING CONSTRUCTION IN PHASE ONE BY 2026. THEY'RE PROPOSING A REGIONAL TRAIL LOOP THAT WOULD ADD AN ADDITIONAL 1.4 MILES OF TRAIL AT A COST OF 3 TO $5 MILLION, AND ALSO HAVE SOME GRADE CROSSINGS AT DIFFERENT ROADWAY SECTIONS. THEY WOULD BE ADDING A HOMESTEAD EVENT CENTER THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE A MINIMUM OF 180 DAYS OF PROGRAMING FOR. THAT INCLUDES TWO FRIDAYS AND TWO SATURDAYS A MONTH. THEY WOULD ADD ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY FOR A WASTEWATER PROJECT THROUGH THE SITE, AND THEN PLUG AN ABANDONED TWO GAS WELL PAD SITES. SO WITH THAT, WE SEEK COUNCIL'S DIRECTION AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BASED ON CITY COUNCIL DIRECTION. WE'D BE BACK ON FEBRUARY 18TH.

AMENDMENTS TO THE OPERATING AND PROJECT AGREEMENTS. QUESTIONS. DIRECTION FOR STAFF.

REPRESENTATIVE OF DISTRICT SIX. COUNCILPERSON. JESTER. JUST AGAIN WANT TO COMPLIMENT ALL OF THE BACKUP MATERIALS THAT HELP US TRY TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS WE CAN. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS IS A REAL BENEFIT TO THE CITY AS FAR AS THE CHANGES THEY WANT TO MAKE ARE VERY POSITIVE IN THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON OUR CITY. THE ONLY AREA OF CONCERN I HAD WAS THE WATER AND WASTEWATER FUND REVENUES, WHICH LOOKS TO BE IN THE NEGATIVE IS THE RATIONALE BEHIND THAT IS THAT BECAUSE OUR GENERAL FUND, ETC. ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE SO HIGH AS FAR AS REVENUE, THAT IT WILL MAKE UP FOR DEFICIENCIES IN THE WASTEWATER AND WATER FUND, AND THAT WAS THE ONLY THING IN THE BACKUP MATERIAL THAT STOOD OUT AS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE US WHOLE. IS THAT THE RATIONALE, OR ARE THERE ANY OTHER LEVERS THAT WE CAN PULL TO HAVE EACH OF THESE ENTITIES MADE WHOLE? THANK YOU. YEAH. I THINK YOU'RE REFERENCING THE UPDATED FINANCIAL COST STUDY FOR THESE TWO DEVELOPMENTS. SO THE CITY DOES HAVE OPTIONS IN HOW WE ADDRESS THOSE. SO THAT WAS A STUDY DONE CURRENTLY AT CURRENT CONDITIONS AND CURRENT FEES. AND SO I KNOW THE WATER AND WASTEWATER IS GOING THROUGH AN IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT COULD HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THAT. THAT REVENUE LOSS THAT'S BEING SHOWN. OKAY. GREAT. I JUST LIKE THAT IT'S BEING LOOKED AT AND RECOGNIZED AS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO FURTHER.

SO THANK YOU. AND MY DIRECTION IS TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE THEN FOR. CHARLIE, PERHAPS YOU CAN ANSWER THIS IF NOT HAPPY TO TALK TO PARKS ABOUT THIS. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT GETTING A LOT MORE TRAIL SPACE. I UNDERSTAND THEY BUILD IT, THEY PAY FOR IT AND BUILD OUT A COMPLETION. WHO THEN TAKES OVER MANAGING THAT SPACE? IS THAT US? SO THE AND MACK, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE OPERATING AGREEMENT WOULD HAVE THEM BUILD THE TRAIL AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT. SO THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE TRAIL SYSTEMS, BUT WE'D HAVE ACCESS TO THE TRAIL SYSTEMS THROUGH A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME OR IN PERPETUITY ONGOING. WHAT ABOUT THE EVENT SPACE? THEY THEY BUILD IT. THEY ALSO MAINTAIN IT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE ACCESS TO PROGRAMING. YEAH. SO THE EVENT SPACE WOULD BE OWNED, OPERATED AND MAINTAINED CURRENTLY BY THE DISTRICT. AND WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO A MINIMUM PROGRAMING. WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT IF THERE'S A POINT IN THE FUTURE THAT IT MAKES MORE SENSE. THEY'RE OPEN TO FUTURE OWNERSHIP, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO CONSIDER. BUT GARY AND THE PARKS STAFF WANT TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE AND LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE. THE REASON WHY I ASK THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE INTERESTED IN PARK SPACE, ADDITIONAL PARK SPACE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I'M I'M ASKING TO SEE IF THIS WILL HAVE ANY NEW BURDEN ON OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF MAINTAINING THIS. THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE QUESTION, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE ANSWER. SO YEAH, I'M EASY. YES. WE JUST DID THIS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS. SO DEFINITELY NEED TO KEEP THE KEEP THIS IN LINE WITH THE OTHERS. SO THANK YOU VERY

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MUCH CHARLIE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. THANK YOU. LOTS OF AMENITIES HERE. I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH ALL THIS. ANY PUSHBACK FROM FROM COLE ON THIS? NO. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WELL TOGETHER AND THEY'RE HERE TO IF YOU WANT TO ASK ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S WONDERFUL TO HEAR. I'M PLEASED I'M A I'M I'M A YES. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. SO HOW SO HOW HOW MUCH OF IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING? I'M. I'M WAFFLING BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SOME A LOT OF THE TRAILS THERE WAS ALREADY GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF EVENT. VENUE ALREADY AS PART OF THE PLAN. SO I GUESS I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR WHAT WHAT WE'RE REALLY ADDING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE. SO COULD COULD YOU COVER THAT ONE MORE TIME? AND IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING IN TERMS OF THIS PARADIGM. AND THEN I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS. YES. SO, SO ON THE TRAILS PIECE IN THE OPERATING AGREEMENTS THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO, I THINK IT'S 26 MILES TOTAL OF TRAILS TEN FOOT AND SIX FOOT COMBINED. SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS A LOOPING A TEN FOOT TRAIL SYSTEM TO MAKE A REGIONAL LOOP THAT WOULD NET THE CITY AN ADDITIONAL 1.4 ACRES OF TEN FOOT TRAIL LOOP. SO. SO RATHER THAN HAVING, YOU KNOW, TRAILS THROUGHOUT THAT MAYBE AREN'T CONNECTED, THIS MAKES A REGIONAL TRAIL LOOP THAT WOULD ALSO TIE INTO PARKS FUTURE HICKORY CREEK TRAIL SYSTEM TO GIVE ACCESS OFF SITE ONTO SITE.

AND THEN YOU CAN ADD INTO THAT TRAIL LOOP SYSTEM. AND SO SOME OF THE PRIOR TRAILS WILL, WILL, WILL GO AWAY. SOME OF THE PRIOR TRAIL DEVELOPMENT OR THIS IS I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THAT AN ADDITIONAL ACREAGE BUT SOME OF THE PRIOR TRAIL SYSTEM WILL NO LONGER BE BUILT IN IN LIEU OF.

NOW THIS ADDITIONAL TRAIL SYSTEM, THE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT WAS ALREADY EXISTING, WOULD CONTINUE TO EXIST. SOME OF IT HAS BEEN MOVED FROM A TEN FOOT TO A SIX FOOT TRAIL. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE CREATION OF NEW TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT TO CREATE THAT ENTIRE LOOP.

OKAY. WHY? WHY WHAT'S THE RATIONALE BEHIND EXTENDING THE GAS? WELL, SETBACKS. I UNDERSTAND THAT GROUNDBREAKING TIMES MAY SHIFT, AND THAT WILL AFFECT WHEN YOU MIGHT WANT TO PLUG GAS WELLS. BUT WHY SHIFT THOSE FORWARD IN THREE FOR THREE YEARS IF WE'RE INTENDING TO, TO MOVE AHEAD WITH OSTENSIBLY A THE SAME SORTS OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ALREADY HAD? YEAH, YOU'LL SEE IT ON THE TIMING COMMITMENT AS WELL. I THINK IT'S JUST RELATED TO THE COAL BEING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BEHIND IN THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE THAN HUNTER WAS. SO HUNTER'S BROKE GROUND NOW AND THEY'VE STARTED CONSTRUCTION. AND COAL IS COMMITTED TO STARTING CONSTRUCTION BY 2026 ON THE PHASE ONE AND WOULD PLUG THE GAS WELLS BY 2030. OKAY, SO THERE'S I YEAH, WELL I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ORDERING OF ABANDONED WHY YOU NEED TO PLUG GAS WELLS AT PARTICULAR TIMES. WHICH IS WHAT WHERE MY QUESTION IS GOING. SO IT FEELS LIKE WE COULD MAYBE NOT WAIT AROUND THREE EXTRA YEARS TO PLUG THE GAS WELLS. THAT'D BE MY RECOMMENDATION. THEN. JUST TO BE FAIR TO THE LANDMARK DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD BEFORE, DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR. BECAUSE I ASKED THIS LAST TIME, I WANT TO BE FAIR TO THIS DEVELOPER AS WELL. DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT THE PERCENT OF EXPECTED INCREASE IN REVENUE IS FOR THESE CONCESSIONS? LIKE BEFORE THAT WE HAD THE 2021 ACRES IN 1.68 MILLION. AND THAT WAS A CERTAIN THE CHANGE IN REVENUE. THIS WAS A CERTAIN RATIO. DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR THAT? I DIDN'T DO THE MATH BECAUSE THE NUMBERS WERE WERE A LITTLE DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO DEVELOPMENT PROPERTIES. DO YOU HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT SORT OF THE EXPECTED INCREASE, THE RATIO OF THE INCREASE IN REVENUE IS FOR THESE CONCESSIONS. DO YOU MEAN TAXABLE REVENUE OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CITY'S BENEFIT OF THE CITY'S BENEFIT. SO WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT THE ADDITIONAL 21 ACRES OF PRESERVATION FROM THE LANDMARK WOULD HAVE EQUATED TO ABOUT $1.7 MILLION, AND THEN THE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT'S BEING PROPOSED BY THIS GROUP IS BETWEEN 3 AND $5 MILLION. SO WE DO EXPECT TO RECEIVE AN ADDITIONAL BENEFIT FROM THE COAL AMENDMENTS ABOVE WHAT WE GOT FROM THE HUNTER RANCH AMENDMENTS. WELL, OTHER THAN THE GAS GAS WELL TIMINGS, I REALLY ENCOURAGE US NOT NOT TO DO THAT.

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BUT OTHERWISE I THINK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR WITH OUR PRIOR ACTIONS, WE SORT OF NEED TO GO AHEAD AND BE CONSISTENT BETWEEN DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS AND VENDORS. OTHERWISE, I THINK WE SET A BAD PRECEDENT, BUT I WOULD PUSH FOR THAT EARLIER GAS. WELL, PLUGGING. OKAY, ANYONE ELSE? MR. THREE YEAH, I'M JUST GOING TO OFFER A SUGGESTION THAT RATHER THAN ATTACH A CALENDAR DATE TO THE GAS WELLS, YOU ATTACH A CONDITION, WHICH IS THAT THEY NEED TO BE CAPPED WITHIN, YOU KNOW, AN AMOUNT OF TIME PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION WITHIN. YOU KNOW, YOU ALL AGREE 1000FT OF THEM. SO THAT WAY IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF GUESSING WHICH THINGS MOVING FASTER THAN WHICH. IT'S JUST THAT THAT'S THE POINT IS YOU HAVE THEM CAPPED BEFORE YOU DO THE OTHER. IF THE CONSTRUCTION ENDS UP MOVING FASTER, THEN YOU CAP FASTER. IF IT TAKES LONGER, THEN OKAY, TAKE LONGER, OKAY.

OTHERWISE I'M YOU KNOW I'M FINE. OKAY? OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? LET ME. ANYONE ELSE? FIRST TIME. ALL RIGHT. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. CAN I JUST ADD TO THE CHORUS FOR THAT? I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM HAD A PRETTY GOOD IDEA, SO IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, I THINK THAT'S THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A BETTER WAY TO DO IT. YEAH. IT'S SOMETHING SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO. YEAH, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU CAN. YEAH. BUT I LIKE THAT. YEAH. THANKS. MAYOR PRO TEM. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? I HAVE. OKAY.

SO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT GIVES YOU YOUR DIRECTION. BUT FOR THE GAS THING THERE'S NO DIRECTION THERE. I HAVE QUESTIONS. YEP. OC CAN I BORROW YOU PLEASE. THANK YOU.

WHERE I GET HUNG UP IS YOU TYING US TO THE TEXAS STATE CONSTRUCTION OF LOOP 288. CAN YOU STEP ME THROUGH THAT? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE CHARLIE CAN CORRECT ME WHERE I'M WRONG. I DON'T SEE ANY OF THOSE ENCUMBRANCES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LEDGER. I DON'T WANT TO BE TIED TO ANSWERING TO WHAT THE STATE DOES. I TRY MY BEST TO NOT ALIGN MYSELF WITH THAT IN THIS JOB, BECAUSE IT'S BETTER FOR ME TO CONTROL MY OWN DESTINY. THAT'S WHY I LOVE BEING IN A FULL SERVICE CITY. BUT FOR ATMOS ENERGY NOW, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT. YES, SIR. I'M OKAY. I'M IN SOUTHRIDGE PARK AND I'M ALSO THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE COLE RANCH COMPANY AND THE COLE RANCH PROJECT. IN THE ANALYSIS. AND I THINK CHARLIE DID A GREAT JOB OF COMPARING WHAT WAS DONE FOR THE LANDMARK PROJECT AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. VERY SIMPLY, WE'RE ASKING FOR EXACTLY THE SAME THING. THAT LANDMARK WAS. GRANTED, THE ONLY ONE PROVISION THAT'S DIFFERENT IS THEY ADDED LAND TO THEIR PILOT KNOB CONSERVATION. AND SO THEY THEY WENT FROM 21 ACRES TO 140 ACRES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I PROBABLY GOT THE NUMBERS WRONG, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PILOT KNOB ON COLE RANCH. SO WE SAID, OKAY, WHAT CAN WE DO THAT'S SPECIAL ABOUT COLE RANCH? AND SO WE CAME UP WITH THE ENHANCEMENTS TO THE REGIONAL TRAIL THAT CHARLIE DESCRIBED AND THE EVENT CENTER.

I REMEMBER BACK IN IN 2019, 2020, MR. MAYOR, THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HAVING AN AMPHITHEATER WAS WE WERE HAVING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT, AND WE SAID THAT WE WOULD WORK ON THAT AND TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT. AND I THINK WE HAVE. AND SO NOW WE'RE COMING BACK AND INSTEAD OF PROPOSING A PILOT KNOB, WE'RE PROPOSING AN EVENT CENTER IN THESE REGIONAL TRAILS.

THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. NOW THE EVENT CENTER HAS TO BE TIED TO THE LOOP 288 FRONTAGE ROADS, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ACCESS TO THE EVENT CENTER. WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT PROPERTY ONCE, ONCE OR UNTIL THE FRONTAGE ROADS ARE ACTUALLY COMPLETED. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TYING THAT TO LOOP 288 AND ON THE GAS. WELL, JUST TO JUST TO ANSWER THE GAS. WELL QUESTION, YOU KNOW, IN OUR CASE OUR GAS. WELL OPERATORS BCF BARNETT. SO THAT'S THEY HAVE A LEASE ON THE PROPERTY. AND AS LONG AS THEY WANT TO PRODUCE GAS THEY CAN PRODUCE GAS. WE REALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO STOP THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE AN EXISTING LEASE AGREEMENT THAT GOES BACK TO 1988. SO WE WENT TO BCBC BARNETT AND WE SAID WE NEED TO CLOSE AT LEAST TWO GAS WELLS. THEY WORKED WITH US TO IDENTIFY TWO OF THOSE THAT WE CAN CLOSE THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE ONE IN PHASE ONE AND ONE IN

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PHASE TWO. THE TIMING OF THAT IS THAT THEY WANTED TO PRODUCE THOSE WELLS AS LONG AS THEY COULD, TO GET AS MUCH ECONOMIC BENEFIT FROM IT, FROM FOR THEM THAT THEY COULD. SO WHAT THEY DID IS THEY TIED IT TO OUR CONSTRUCTION DATES. SO THE GAS WELL, PLUGGING DATE IS ACTUALLY A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF PRIOR TO US BEING ABLE TO START CONSTRUCTION IN THAT AREA.

THAT'S WHERE THOSE DATES CAME FROM. AND TO SOME DEGREE, WE'RE YOU KNOW, BCF BARNETT TELLS US IF WE CAN ABANDON A WELL, NOT WHETHER WE WANT TO OR NOT. SO BUT I THINK THEY'VE WORKED VERY WELL WITH US TO COME UP WITH A COUPLE THAT WE COULD, THAT WE COULD PLUG AND ABANDON. DOES THAT ANSWER THE GAS? WELL, QUESTION. AND DOES THAT ANSWER THE TEXDOT QUESTION? SO ON THE TXDOT SIDE OF THINGS, DON'T DON'T GO FAR, CHARLIE. LET ME BORROW YOU. JUST IS THERE ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THE WITH THE HUNTER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S TIED TO LOOP 28? NO, SIR.

SO THAT THAT'S A UNIQUE FEATURE. AGAIN, YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTION. I'M NOT YOU KNOW, THIS THIS IS THIS IS JUST ME TELLING YOU I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. RIGHT? I STAND ALONE IN THAT.

BUT I'M NOT. I CAN'T GO TO THE TAXPAYERS. THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WHOEVER, AND SAY WITH ANY CERTAINTY OR HAVE ANY CONTROL OF THAT. HECK, UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO SUE THE STATE AND THE STATE SUES US. AND SO JUST BEING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH SOMEONE THAT I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER DOESN'T MAKE ME COMFORTABLE. AND THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT. SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT IT TO BE CLEAR ON THE RECORD THAT THAT GIVES ME HEARTBURN, BECAUSE IF TXDOT PUSHES THAT PROJECT OR IF TEXDOT DELAYS THAT PROJECT OR TEST, TXDOT DOES ANY OF THESE THINGS, WE ARE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED. BUT YET SO THE FUNDING AND EVERYTHING STILL FLOWS AS THOUGH EVERYTHING'S FLOWING ON TIME. RIGHT. AND SO THAT THAT'S WHAT GIVES ME A LITTLE ANTSY, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING A CLEAR RECORD. BUT I THINK YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTION. ALL RIGHT, SIR, YOU'VE SPOKEN TWICE BRIEFLY AS YOU CAN. PLEASE. YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE. APPRECIATE THAT. SO I'M LISTENING TO YOUR WORDS. I CAN ACTUALLY GET THERE WITH YOU. BUT WHAT'S THE FIX? WHAT'S THE SOLUTION FOR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THERE'S NOT ONE THAT I KNOW OF.

OH, OKAY. YEAH, I JUST PROCESS THROUGH IT. ONCE. STAFF GOT ME THE ANSWERS, AND I JUST, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOU. I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WAS A FIX. YES. NO, I TO BE TO BE FAIR. NO, I DON'T THINK THERE IS IF I, IF I WANTED TO TRY TO ADVOCATE TO HOLD THEM OVER SOME BARREL. CERTAINLY. BUT, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK I CAN GET THERE. BUT I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE SURPRISED WHEN I'M BLOWING UP THEIR PHONE SAYING, I TOLD YOU SO, RIGHT? AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO NAVIGATE? BECAUSE I HADN'T SEEN YOUR, YOUR, YOUR LAYOUT. RIGHT? IF I SAW THE LAYOUT, I COULD MAYBE SAY, WELL, LET'S BUILD THIS STREET OR LET'S DO THAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT LAYS OUT AND WHAT THE WORKAROUND IS. BUT I WOULD HOPE IF WE GET TO THAT POINT, WE START TALKING ABOUT CONTINGENCIES ON HOW WE CAN GET STUFF ONLINE AND NOT WAITING ON TXDOT. BUT WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE PREMATURE FOR THAT. BUT SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'VE PROCESSED THROUGH OVER THE WEEKEND TO TRY TO FIND IT. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

[C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the Standardization of Police Department-Issued Firearms. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM C. SO THIS WILL BE OUR LAST WORK SESSION. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THREE CLOSED SESSION. ARE WE GOING TO REARRANGE THOSE. YES OKAY. SO LOOKING FORWARD JUST SO YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THESE OUT OF ORDER BECAUSE WE HAVE OUTSIDE COUNSEL THAT WILL JOIN US. SO ITEM B IN CLOSED WILL MOVE TO THE FRONT AND THEN WE'LL GO AC. BUT FIRST WE HAVE ITEM C FOR THE WORK SESSION WHICH IS ID 242535. RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION.

GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING A STANDARDIZATION OF POLICE DEPARTMENT ISSUED FIREARMS. OH GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL BRIAN KOCH, DEPUTY CHIEF OVER AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THIS IS EXCITING AND VERY QUICK PRESENTATION AS WE TALK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF FINALLY STANDARDIZING OUR FIREARMS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

CURRENTLY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT ISSUE HANDGUNS OR PATROL RIFLES, ANY FIREARMS TO ANY OF OUR OFFICERS. SO THEY HAVE TO BUY THESE THEMSELVES. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE FOR OUR NEW OFFICERS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RECRUIT TO SAY, WELCOME ABOARD. NOW GO FIND THE TOOLS FOR THE JOB AND LAY OUT 3 TO $5000 TO DO SO. ADDITIONALLY, IF WE WANTED TO STANDARDIZE OUR

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EXISTING OFFICERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL PURCHASED THEIR OWN FIREARMS, IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE STANDARD FIREARM, THAT WOULD INCUR A COST ON THEM AS THEY HAVE TO GO BUY A NEW WEAPON. WE DID SOME RESEARCH LOOKING AROUND OTHER CITIES AND FOUND THAT WE COULD NOT FIND ANOTHER CITY COMPARATIVE TO OUR SIZE THAT DID NOT ISSUE FIREARMS TO THEIR OFFICERS. SO WE'RE KIND OF A STANDOUT THERE, AND THAT IS AFFECTING US, AS YOU'LL SEE IN A MINUTE WITH OUR RECRUITING, AS WE ARE IN A PRETTY COMPETITIVE MARKET WITH OTHER AGENCIES TO ATTRACT THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST.

STANDARDIZING FIREARMS AND THROUGH ISSUANCE ALSO HELPS US WITH SOME OF OUR OTHER PROBLEMS THAT WE SEE. ON THE TRAINING SIDE, OUR AMMUNITION IS THE TRAINING WEAPONS THAT SHOOT CHALK ROUNDS. THEY'RE BASED OFF OF A CERTAIN MAKE AND MODEL OF PISTOL, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME ONE THAT OFFICERS HAVE ON THEIR BELT. SO HOLSTERS DON'T ALWAYS FIT. AND IT AFFECTS TRAINING. WE DO HAVE MONEY AVAILABLE WITHIN THE POLICE CONFISCATION FUND TO MAKE THESE PURCHASES. I WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS. WE RECENTLY DID A RECRUITING POST ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AND THIS IS A SCREEN GRAB OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED ON THAT POST. JUST TO KIND OF REINFORCE IT IS A RECRUITING CHALLENGE FOR US. IT IS A COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE WITH SOME OF OUR CITIES THAT WE'RE COMPETING WITH FOR APPLICANTS. IN A NUTSHELL, HERE'S OUR LONG TERM PLAN TO MAKE THIS PURCHASE AGAIN. IN THE BEGINNING, THE PLAN IS TO MAKE THE PURCHASE OUT OF THE POLICE CONFISCATION FUND, WHICH YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, REPRESENTS OUR OUT YEAR'S PLAN TO CONTINUE FUNDING AND MAINTAINING THE PROGRAM OUT OF THE CONFISCATION FUND AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. AS WE SHOWED HERE IN 2030 AND BEYOND, WE WILL BE LIKELY NEEDING TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR MAINTENANCE FUNDS OUT OF THE OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. BUT FOR THE INITIAL IMPLEMENTATION OF ISSUING FIREARMS, IT WILL BE OUT OF THE POLICE CONFISCATION FUND. YOU SEE THAT THERE'S A BIG EXPENDITURE UP FRONT AS NO ONE HAS A WEAPON ISSUED TO THEM.

ONCE WE GET THAT INITIAL PURCHASE DONE, THEN IT'S JUST NEW OFFICERS COMING ON BOARD ANY SORT OF DEPARTMENT GROWTH. AND WITH THAT I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. THEN ONE, FIRST OF ALL, YEAH. YOU KNOW, IT HAS NOT MADE ANY SENSE TO ME HOW WE DO IT SINCE COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION. SO I'M PLEASED THAT Y'ALL ARE BRINGING THIS FORWARD. IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE WHEN SOMEONE IS LEAVING THE FORCE, IS IT JUST TURNED OVER? DO THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF BUY IT AT DEPRECIATED VALUE, OR WHAT WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE OR WHAT DO OTHER PEOPLE DO? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THERE'S ACTUALLY A STATUTE, A STATUTE IN THE GOVERNMENT CODE THAT SAYS THAT AN HONORABLY RETIRED OFFICER MAY PURCHASE ONE HANDGUN OR ONE FIREARM FROM THE DEPARTMENT AT WHATEVER IT'S WORTH AT THAT TIME. SO WE WOULD PROBABLY ALLOW THE OFFICERS TO PURCHASE THEIR HANDGUN. THE PLAN IS TO KEEP THE PATROL RIFLES. THOSE HAVE A LONGER LIFESPAN, SO THOSE WOULD GET RECYCLED TO THE NEXT OFFICER. THANKS. JUST MAKES ALL KINDS OF SENSE, ESPECIALLY WHERE WE'RE COMPETING SO HARD TO RECRUIT OFFICERS. ABSOLUTELY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT LAST SLIDE THERE? SURE. I'M RECOGNIZING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PURCHASE 220 GUNS, AND THEN THERE'S 40 PATROL RIFLES. DOES EVERY OFFICER AND THEN THERE'S SNIPER RIFLE AND SLIM GUN AND 40 MILLIMETER LAUNCHER. DOES EVERY OFFICER CARRY ALL OF THOSE MATERIALS ON THEM? SO AS WE'RE SPEAKING OF PROVIDING AN OFFICER THEIR OWN PATROL GUN, HOW DO WE JUSTIFY ADDING THESE ADDITIONAL TYPES OF GUNS? SURE. GREAT QUESTION. SO NO, THIS IS BASICALLY BRINGING TO YOU THE OVERALL PLAN. SO THE PRIMARY DRIVER IS THE 220 HANDGUNS REPRESENTS THE NUMBER OF AUTHORIZED POSITIONS WE HAVE. NOW. THE 40 PATROL RIFLES STARTS US ON THE PATH OF BEING ABLE TO REPLACE PERSONALLY OWNED PATROL RIFLES WITH CITY OWNED PATROL RIFLES. THE SNIPER RIFLES IS A IS A PURCHASE THAT WE'RE NEEDING TO MAKE BECAUSE OUR CURRENT SNIPER RIFLES ARE PUSHING 20 TO 25 YEARS OLD, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE REPLACED ANYWAY AROUND 7 TO 8 YEARS. SO THEY'RE IN HEAVY NEED OF REPLACEMENT. THE AMMUNITION

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WEAPONS, THOSE ARE THE TRAINING FIREARMS. SO THOSE MATCH THOSE WOULD MATCH THE MAKE AND MODEL OF THE DEPARTMENT ISSUED FIREARMS SO THAT WHEN WE'RE TRAINING, THE TRAINING GUN IS EXACTLY LIKE THE GUN THAT THEY WOULD BE CARRYING ON DUTY. THE 40 MILLIMETER LAUNCHERS. THAT'S THREE. THOSE ARE CHECKED OUT BY PATROL OFFICERS. SO PASSED FROM ONE SHIFT TO THE NEXT. SO WE DON'T NEED A WHOLE BATCH OF THOSE BECAUSE THOSE CAN BE INTERCHANGED FROM ONE OFFICER TO THE NEXT, WITH THOSE BEING INTERCHANGED FROM ONE OFFER TO THE TO THE NEXT. AM I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY THAT THE CITY IS ZONED THE. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS ZONES AND THERE'S A X NUMBER OF OFFICERS PER ZONE. THAT'S CORRECT. AND SO EACH ONE OF THOSE ZONES HAVE A 40 MILLIMETER LAUNCHER. NOT NECESSARILY. SO OFFICERS HAVE TO GO THROUGH SPECIAL TRAINING TO BE ALLOWED TO CARRY THOSE. IT VARIES FROM SHIFT TO SHIFT AND PART OF TOWN TO PART OF TOWN. IF ONE OF THOSE CERTIFIED OFFICERS IS THERE, WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE I BELIEVE IT'S 3 OR 4 IN SERVICE.

WE'VE TRIED TO SPLIT THOSE BETWEEN THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN AND TRIED TO DEPLOY THEM AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. THIS BY INCREASING THE NUMBER AVAILABLE BY THREE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO CERTIFY MORE OFFICERS, PUT MORE OF THEM OUT THERE ON THE STREET. I DON'T KNOW MY MIND IS TELLING ME THAT EACH ZONE SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT CORRELATES WITH ANY OF THIS. AND SO THE SNIPER RIFLES, IS THAT IN THE SAME PREDICAMENT AS THE 40 MILLIMETER LAUNCHERS, THE SNIPER JUST TALKING ABOUT THREE. SURE. SO THE SNIPER RIFLES GOES TO OUR SWAT TEAM. OKAY. PART OF THE SWAT TEAM IS A SNIPER TEAM THAT DO POLICE TRAINING PLUS SWAT TRAINING PLUS SNIPER TRAINING. SO THERE'S ONLY A VERY FEW NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT ARE ALLOWED TO CARRY A SNIPER RIFLE. AND I'M NOW NOTICING HERE IN FISCAL YEAR. 2034, WHICH IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT FAR AWAY FROM HERE. WHEN YOU COME TO THINK OF IT, YOU'RE BACK UP AT 100. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO US? THAT'S CORRECT. SO THE LIFESPAN, THE PREDICTED LIFESPAN OF THE HANDGUN IS TEN YEARS. SO IN 2034, THAT'S TEN YEARS OUT. WHATEVER. HANDGUNS THAT HAVE NOT CYCLED OUT THROUGH ADDING OFFICERS OR OFFICERS RETIRING, WE WILL NEED TO GO BACK AND REFRESH THE ENTIRE FLEET OF FIREARMS STARTING THEN. OKAY, SO WE'RE ALREADY WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE. THERE WON'T BE A BIG SURPRISE TO US IN TEN YEARS FROM NOW. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WILL DEFINITELY APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. IT'S VERY NECESSARY TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP UP WITH THE CONTINUITY OF EVERYTHING AND MAKES LIFE A LITTLE EASIER WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THINGS THAT ARE JUST KNOWN. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT TO US.

THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR THEN TO. CHIEF WHO MAKES THAT DECISION. WHO MAKES THE DECISION AS TO WHAT WHAT MAKE AND CALIBER WEAPON TO BUY. SO WITHIN OUR TRAINING SECTION WE HAVE A FIREARMS UNIT THAT IS LED BY A RANGEMASTER WHO IS VERY WELL VERSED DOING RESEARCH ON WHAT'S THE BEST HANDGUN, WHAT ARE OTHER AGENCIES USING. AND SO FOR THE HANDGUN, WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE GOING WITH THE GLOCK NINE MILLIMETER, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE MOST COMMON HANDGUN ISSUED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. IS THERE ANY FORD CHEVROLET KIND OF DISAGREEMENT WITHIN WITHIN THAT INDUSTRY, YOUR INDUSTRY? OH YES. OKAY. YES. OKAY. OKAY. AND LASTLY, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE ONE FOR THE TEAM. I'M THE ONLY PERSON HERE THAT DOES NOT KNOW WHAT A 40 MILLIMETER LAUNCHER. NO WORRIES. RIGHT. IT SOUNDS MORE THAN IT IS. IT'S BASICALLY A LESS LETHAL MUNITIONS DEVICE. SO IT SHOOTS THE. LIKE, FOAM IMPACT. SO IF SOMEONE'S GOT A KNIFE OR SOMETHING, YOU CAN HIT THEM WITH FOAM INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, A LETHAL DEVICE. FOAM, LIKE. USE ANOTHER WORD. BESIDES, BESIDES FOAM, IT'S TECHNICALLY FOAM, BUT IT'S DESIGNED TO HURT. IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE NEW VERSION OF A BEANBAG. YOU KNOW, THE OLD BEANBAG SHOTGUNS. THESE ARE REPLACING THOSE WITH. I APPRECIATE THE TOLERANCE. THANK YOU. SURE. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. OH, COME ON, I APPRECIATE ALL THE LINE OF

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QUESTIONING BECAUSE I THINK I HAD A DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING. SO LET ME LEAD OFF WITH TEACHERS SHOULDN'T BUY PENCILS. LINEMEN SHOULDN'T BUY HELMETS AND BOOTS. OFFICERS SHOULDN'T BUY THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY NEED TO PERFORM THE CITY FUNCTION. I WANT TO I WANT TO LEAD WITH THAT. SO IN THAT SENSE, I'M COMPLETELY ON BOARD WITH THE GOVERNING BODY PROVIDING THE EQUIPMENT FOR THE SERVICE THAT THEY'RE BEING REQUESTED OF THEIR STAFF. NOW, THAT SAID, I, I GOT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU WERE WANTING TO GO TO A SORT OF LIKE THE OTHER, OTHER AMMUNITION OR THE OTHER FIREARMS, A SORT OF QUARTERMASTER CHECK IN AND OUT.

IS THAT IS THAT NOT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITH THE HANDGUNS, WITH THE SIDEARMS, WHERE IT JUST IS A ONE TIME ISSUE FOREVER. AND WHILE THEY'RE EMPLOYED WITH THIS. YES, THAT IS THAT IS CORRECT. THEY WOULD BE ISSUED A FIREARM AS NOW OFFICERS CARRY THEIR FIREARMS ON DUTY ANYTIME THEY'RE IN UNIFORM. AND THAT WOULD BE THE SAME THING WITH THE HANDGUNS AND PATROL RIFLES.

EVERYTHING. EXCUSE ME. HANDGUNS, PATROL RIFLES AND THE SNIPER RIFLES WOULD BE WITH THOSE SWAT TEAM MEMBERS PROPERLY TRAINED. EVERYTHING ELSE, THIS AMMUNITION, GUNS AND THE 40 MILLIMETER, THOSE WOULD BE CHECKED OUT IN THAT QUARTERMASTER STYLE. IS THERE? NO WHAT ARE WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF CHECKING OUT THE SIDEARMS AS WELL? DO YOU DO YOU ALWAYS 24 OVER SEVEN HAVE A SIDEARM, IN WHICH CASE IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO CONSTANTLY CHECK IT OUT. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT DO WE NOT EVER, EVER ENVISION CHECKING IN AND OUT SIDEARMS? I CAN SEE ADVANTAGES TO HAVING REGULAR MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS ON SIDEARMS THAT WE CHECK IN SO THAT THEY'RE KEPT UP TO A STANDARD BY THE QUARTERMASTER. MOST OFFICERS ARE CARRYING THEIR SIDEARM MOST OF THE TIME, ON AND OFF DUTY TO AND FROM WORK. UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES PEOPLE RECOGNIZE US. AND SO YEAH, MOST OFFICERS ARE CARRYING THEIR THEIR THEIR HANDGUN, NOT 24 OVER SEVEN I DON'T NOT IN. BED BUT YES. SO CHECKING THEM IN AND OUT WOULD NOT BE AN IDEAL SETUP AND WOULD BE UNLIKE ANY OTHER AGENCY THAT WE'VE FOUND. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, I MEAN, I NEED TO ASK QUESTIONS SO I UNDERSTAND HOW THE OPERATION IS AT THE END OF LIFE. WE HAD ONE QUESTION OF DO YOU GET TO BUY YOUR OWN SIDEARM IF YOU AT TEN YEARS, IF YOU'RE AT END OF LIFE, WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE SIDEARMS. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS COULD HAPPEN. EITHER THE OFFICER WE MAY ELECT TO ALLOW THE OFFICER TO GO AHEAD AND PURCHASE THAT WELL USED FIREARM AT MARKET COST. THERE'S ALSO, WITH MOST OF THE VENDORS, A TRADE IN PROGRAM SO THAT THEY TAKE BACK THE WEAPONS AND DESTROY THEM. AND THEN WE GET CREDIT TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF THE NEXT WEAPON. SO THE SOME VENDOR OR RECYCLER WOULD, WOULD DESTROY THE WEAPONS OR WE WOULD, THEY WOULD BE RESOLD TO BE REPURPOSED AS SIDEARMS. DEPENDS. IT DEPENDS. RIGHT. IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE VENDOR AND WHAT THE AGREEMENT IS WITH THE VENDOR AT THAT TIME. OKAY. AND IN THIS NEW POLICY WOULD WE CURRENTLY ALLOW, IN FACT REQUIRE OFFICERS TO HAVE THEIR OWN SIDEARM THAT THEY PURCHASE. WOULD THEY STILL BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR OWN SIDEARM? BECAUSE THAT WOULD MEAN WE'D HAVE TO SUPPLY AMMUNITION, OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUPPLY THEIR OWN AMMUNITION? OR WOULD THE POLICY BE THAT THEY ARE STILL ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR OWN UNIQUE NON NON-DEPARTMENT SIDEARM? NO. ONCE THEY ARE ISSUED A DEPARTMENT ISSUED DUTY WEAPON TO BE WORN ON DUTY, THAT IS WHAT THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO CARRY ON DUTY. OKAY. AND THIS WOULD BE 220 REPRESENTS ALL OF OUR LICENSE TO CARRY STAFF. THAT'S CORRECT. 220 IS OUR CURRENT AUTHORIZED STRENGTH AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE DO HAVE SOME VACANCIES, BUT THIS WOULD IF WE MAGICALLY FILLED ALL OF THOSE VACANCIES TOMORROW, THIS WOULD BE ENOUGH TO EQUIP EVERYONE. OKAY, WELL, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE ALL THE QUESTIONS I ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE. COUNCILOR BYRD'S QUESTION. I'M I'M VERY ON BOARD WITH A STAFF NOT HAVING TO BUY THEIR EQUIPMENT. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE RIFLES ON UP MY, MY DIRECTION WOULD BE JUST THE HANDGUN FOR THIS THIS PROGRAM AND USE THE REGULAR BUDGET PROCESS FOR RIFLES ON UP BECAUSE THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE CHECKING THOSE IN AND OUT. WE'RE NOT. SO CURRENTLY OFFICERS ARE PURCHASING THEIR OWN PATROL RIFLES AS WELL. OKAY. SO I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR YOUR ANSWER TO SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS. THE 40 MILLIMETER LAUNCHERS, THE

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SLIM GUNS. THOSE ARE THOSE. YES. THOSE ARE BEING CHECKED OUT. I'M SORRY. THE HANDGUN AND THE PATROL RIFLES ARE OFFICER OWNED. EVERYTHING ELSE IS CHECKED OUT. OKAY, WELL, WELL, THEN I WILL AMEND THAT. I'M OKAY THEN WITH THE THOSE THAT ARE CHECKED OUT ON A PERMANENT BASIS. BUT I THINK THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR ANYTHING THAT GOES IN AND OUT OF THE QUARTERMASTER SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A ONE TIME, THEN I'M I'M GOOD WITH WHAT YOU DESCRIBED, BUT I WOULD RATHER YOU BUDGET THE OTHER ITEMS. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT SIX? COUNCILPERSON JESTER I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOU ALL BRINGING THIS TO US. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ABSOLUTELY, OBVIOUSLY ON BOARD WITH, ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, THE BIG CHUNK OF THE INITIAL INVESTMENT BEING COVERED BY THE POLICE COMPENSATION FUND IS ALSO MAKES IT A LOT EASIER TO SAY YES TO. HOWEVER, I AGREE WITH THE OTHER SENTIMENTS AS FAR AS EQUIPPING OUR POLICE AND OUR ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY SO THAT THEY CAN DO THE BEST JOB AND WE CAN RECRUIT THE BEST PEOPLE POSSIBLE. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS, I KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT PREFERENCES AS FAR AS WHAT TYPE OF GUNS THEY ARE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH. THEY HAVE ALWAYS SHOT WITH BEFORE. THAT WAS MAYBE AN ADVANTAGE TO SUPPLYING YOUR OWN, AS YOU COULD CHOOSE WHICH ONE, WHAT, WHAT IS THERE GOING TO BE AN OPTION FOR OFFICERS TO SAY, I WANT, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF GUN OR THAT KIND OF GUN AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH AND IF TRAINED WITH. NO. AT THIS TIME, THERE'S NOT A PLAN TO ALLOW THEM TO DEVIATE FROM THE STANDARD. THERE WILL BE SOME TRANSITION TRAINING REQUIRED, SOME MORE THAN OTHERS, TO TRANSITION TO THE NEW WEAPON IF THEY'RE NOT ALREADY CARRYING A GLOCK PISTOL. FORTUNATELY, A LOT OF OUR OFFICERS, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM, ARE ALREADY CARRYING THE SAME BRAND PISTOL, SO THE TRANSITION SHOULDN'T BE TOO OVERWHELMING. OVER THE YEARS, WE SHORTEN THE LIST OF AUTHORIZED FIREARMS THAT NEW OFFICERS ARE ABLE TO PURCHASE. SO OLDER OFFICERS HAVE BEEN GRANDFATHERED. THEY MAY HAVE A LITTLE BIT WIDER ARRAY, BUT OVER THE YEARS WE'VE BEEN SHORTENING THAT AND PRETTY MUCH HONING IT IN ON WHERE WE WOULD BE WITH THIS. SO. WELL, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE INFORMATION. THIS IS INCREDIBLY HELPFUL FOR US TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS. AND I'M IN FAVOR. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. CHIEF, WHAT IS A SIM GUN A SIMULATOR GUN. WHAT IS THAT? SURE. IT'S A IT'S ACTUALLY A BRAND NAME FOR A SIM MUNITION GUN. SO IT IS PATTERNED AFTER A HANDGUN, EITHER A GLOCK OR ANOTHER BRAND, AND IT SHOOTS A BASICALLY A ROUND WITH CHALK SO THAT WE WERE ABLE TO WHEN WE'RE DOING ACTIVE THREAT SCENARIOS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE PUT ON FACE MASK AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SHOOT IN EXCHANGE FIRE IN A SCENARIO. OKAY. SO JUST FOR SIMULATION USES. CORRECT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M I'M OBVIOUSLY A YES. I GUESS JUST FOR CONTEXT PURPOSES, IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE GOT HERE. BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL, I WENT THROUGH CITIZEN'S POLICE ACADEMY AND I WAS INTERESTED TO LEARN THAT YOU ALL DON'T GET EQUIPMENT PROVIDED FOR, AND I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT. SO I MEAN, AS A TRUCK DRIVER, I GET MY BOOTS COMPENSATED. SIMPLE STUFF LIKE THAT. SO GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF RUNNING FOR OFFICE, MEETING WITH UNION REPRESENTATIVES, TALKING TO CHIEF DIXON AT THE TIME AND SARAH, THEY ESSENTIALLY SAID, HEY, EVERYTHING HAS A PRICE TAG ON IT. SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU GUYS PUT IN TODAY. TO BE CLEAR, WE LOOKED I KNOW THAT WE LOOKED FOR GRANTS THROUGH JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND OTHER PLACES TO PAY FOR THIS, BUT THEY SAID IT DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS SINCE THESE WERE KIND OF BASIC NECESSITIES FOR ANY DEPARTMENT. AND I REMEMBER THEN TELLING SARAH, HEY, WE JUST NEED TO FIND MONEY IN THE GENERAL FUND FOR THIS. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAD A LOT OF OTHER PRIORITIES TO GET THERE, BUT I'M GLAD THAT WE THAT WE FINALLY GOT THERE. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO PARTICULARLY THIS HELPING YOU GUYS OUT IN TERMS OF RECRUITING. AND I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT WHAT DO SOME OF THE OTHER LARGER DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTY DO AS FAR AS ISSUING FIREARMS? YES. WE WERE UNABLE TO FIND ANY OTHER AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY THAT DO NOT ISSUE. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I FOUND OUT. SO I

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APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. YOU GUYS DOING THIS WORK. WHATEVER YOU GUYS NEED. NOT ONLY AM I. YES, I'M A HELL YES. WELL DONE. THANK YOU GUYS. THANKS, FRANK. THANKS, CHIEF. THANKS. SARAH. OUTSIDE.

ANYONE ELSE? I'M JUST A YES. I APPRECIATE THAT THERE'S KIDS WATCHING. OKAY, THEN. YOU YOU HAVE YOU HAD A DIRECTION YOU NEED, RIGHT? YOU'RE. WE'RE ALL GOOD, I DO. OKAY. GOT IT. THANK

[1. Closed Meeting:]

YOU. FOR THAT. THEN LETS THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW AT 333. 30 1 P.M. CONVENE. CONVENE IN CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE A CLOSED MEETING ITEM SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING ITEM A ID 25050. DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.087, ITEM B, ID 25111. CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071. ITEM C ID 25125 DELIBERATIONS REGARDING REAL PROPERTY UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.072. WE'LL SET THE ROOM AND ALLOW THEM TO GET THE ZOOM SET UP, AND AND WELCOME BACK TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON. WHAT IS HE DOING? WHY? WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. IT IS 524 AND COUNCIL WILL BETTER SAID COUNCIL NOW AT 5:24 P.M. IS

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

RECONVENED, CLOSED SESSION AND NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN. THAT TAKES US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA AND I'LL TAKE A MOTION. BUT FOR ITEMS H, I, X, A, B AND G REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. ACCEPTING. G, H, I, X AND AB. OKAY, IS THERE A SECOND? I DON'T HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN. ALL RIGHT. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE SECONDS. YES. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. SECOND BY REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

[G. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton authorizing the City Manager to execute an agreement between the City of Denton and the Kiwanis Club of Denton, Breakfast, Denton, Texas, for the payment and use of program year 2025 hotel tax revenue in support of the 2025 Turkey Roll Bicycle Rally and providing an effective date. ($7,000- Community Partnership Committee recommends approval 2-0)]

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO OUR FIRST ITEM, ITEM HG0 PARDON ME G. THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. DID YOU CIRCLE THAT. THAT'S ID 242434. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON AND KIWANIS CLUB OF DENTON BREAKFAST. THAT'S INTERESTING HOW THE KIWANIS CLUB OF DENTON BREAKFAST. DENTON, TEXAS FOR THE PAYMENT AND USE OF PROGRAM OF 2025. HOTEL TAX REVENUE IN SUPPORT OF 2025 TURKEY ROAD BIKE RALLY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. AND FOR THE RECORD, NOTE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND HAS RECUSED HIMSELF. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. UNDER INTENSE PRESSURE TO MOVE TO DO THIS. 2 OR 5, SIR. OH I'M SORRY. GOT IT. I READ IT BACKWARDS. SORRY. SO FIVE. YES. YEAH. SO MOVED. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES 6 TO 0.

[H. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton authorizing the City Manager to execute an agreement between the City of Denton and the Denton Community Market, for the payment and use of program year 2025 hotel tax revenue in support of the 2025 Denton Community Market; and providing an effective date. ($68,600- Community Partnership Committee recommends approval 2-0)]

TAKES US TO ITEM H, WHICH IS ID 242435. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON AND DENTON COMMUNITY MARKET FOR THE PAYMENT AND USE OF PROGRAM YEAR 2025. HOTEL TAX REVENUE IN SUPPORT OF 2025 DENTON COMMUNITY MARKET AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YES MAYOR PRO TEM MELTZER. THE COMMUNITY MARKET HAS BEEN TERRIFIC CONTRIBUTION TO NOT ONLY THE CULTURE OF DENTON, BUT TO THE VIBRANCE, YOU KNOW, THE VIBRANT NATURE OF DOWNTOWN. THE REASON I SUPPORT THE USE OF HOTEL TAX REVENUES, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE IT'S BRINGING SALES TAX INTO THE INTO THE CITY THROUGH ITS KNOCK ON EFFECTS OF BRINGING PEOPLE INTO DOWNTOWN. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY PLANS CONTRARY TO THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO KIND OF

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PUT A MARKER DOWN AND MOVE APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM SUBJECT TO FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR, THE MARKET'S PRIMARY OPERATIONS BEING IN DOWNTOWN DENTON. HOW HOW ARE YOU DEFINING DOWNTOWN DENTON? FOR THOSE THAT CONSIDER. WELL, WE HAVE A DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. I THINK I'D BE HAPPY WITH THAT. IS IT NOT IN IT I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. WELL, WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S THE MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE? IF I MAY, MAYOR PRO TEM, ARE THERE PLANS TO THE OTHER WATCH TO THE CONTRARY, THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT AWARE, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. I, I BELIEVE THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS TO THAT EFFECT, AND THEY'RE FREE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO. BUT IN TERMS OF HOW I WANT TO COMMIT HOT FUN DOLLARS, IT WOULD BE FOR THEM TO BE OPERATING IN DOWNTOWN. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. SO JUST JUST FOR MY CLARITY, YOU'RE MOVING THE ITEM UNDER H AS IT'S WRITTEN, BUT WITH THE ADDITION THAT IT ONLY BE IN. AA2 TO THE MAYOR'S POINT THE DOWNTOWN TOURS DOWNTOWN SOME SOME DEFINITION OF DOWNTOWN AND BUT OTHERWISE THE REST OF THE REST OF THE ITEM IS THE SAME. YEAH. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE ANTICIPATION WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE AN ACTUAL CONDITION PUT IN THE AGREEMENT ITSELF. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. AND IT'S A ONE YEAR TERM. RIGHT. EACH OF THESE AGREEMENTS. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX I SECOND THE MOTION OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I, I AM I'VE ALWAYS HAD WONDERFUL EXPERIENCES AT THE AT THE COMMUNITY MARKET. I LOVE TO GO THERE. I'M I'M CONCERNED THOUGH THAT THIS IS GOING TO CONSTRAIN THEM. THE LOCATION PART OF THIS MOTION IS GOING TO CONSTRAIN THEM TO THE POINT, TO THE POINT THAT THEY CAN'T DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. THAT I WOULD I WOULD URGE THAT YOU REMOVE THAT RESTRICTION FROM THE FROM YOUR MOTION. OKAY. CAN STAFF TELL ME WHAT'S GOING ON? LIKE WHAT WHAT AM I MISSING? LIKE SOMEBODY TALKING ABOUT MOVING AND I DIDN'T GET THE MEMO, SIR. GOOD EVENING, TERRENCE JONES. HEY, TERRENCE. WE DON'T KNOW OF ANY MOVEMENT AT THIS POINT. IT'S AT THE SITE THAT IT NORMALLY IS. IS HOW THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED, RIGHT? YES, SIR. YEAH, YEAH. I'LL JUST I'LL JUST GET OUT OF THE WAY AND SAY I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS ONE. I DON'T, I JUST CAN'T WE'VE NOT HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS. WE'VE NOT HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM. AND IT'S A LARGE, LARGE OPERATION. I COULDN'T IMAGINE THEM JUST PICKING UP AND MOVING MID-YEAR. AND I DON'T KNOW THE CONSTRAINTS OF IT. IF THEY MOVE MID-YEAR BECAUSE WE ONLY DO WE GIVE THEM A CHECK AT ONCE, RIGHT? THEY'RE QUARTERLY. SO QUARTERLY CHECKS. SO IF THEY LET'S SAY THEY DO IT IN THE AFTER THE SECOND QUARTER, DO WE THEN GO BACK AFTER THEM AND SUE THEM TO GET THE OTHER TWO QUARTERS THAT WE PAID THEM AFTER THEY MOVED? YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS THERE. SO I JUST I IT'S A LOT TO DO WITH NO WORK SESSION, NO PLANNING, NO COMMUNICATION. I JUST CAN'T GET THERE JUST WILLY NILLY. THAT'S JUST NOT HOW I, I JUST CAN'T DO IT. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. COUNCILPERSON JESTER. I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN MY SECONDING OF THIS MOTION. I THINK IT IS VERY SPECIFIC. WHAT HOT TAX PROCEEDS CAN BE USED FOR. AND I HAVE HEARD RUMBLINGS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE DENTON COMMUNITY MARKET CURRENTLY IS USING COUNTY PROPERTY, THAT IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE. AND SO I THINK IT'S VERY FAIR TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SALES TAX, THE HOT TAX THAT WE COLLECT TO GET HEADS IN BEDS, AS THEY SAY INTO DENTON, I HAVE NO PROBLEM RESTRAINING THAT TO DENTON IN CASE IN THE FUTURE THEY MOVE OUT OF THE CITY AND SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTY. I JUST DON'T SEE THAT AS AN ISSUE AND I THINK IT CAN BE APPROPRIATE. SO I WAS WILLING TO SECOND. THANK YOU. CAN CAN I EXPLORE THAT A LITTLE FURTHER WITH YOU. SO YOU EXPECT THEM TO MOVE THIS YEAR? IT'S A IT'S A EVERY YEAR PROPOSITION. SO I HAVE NO EXPECTATION AT THIS TIME. WHAT I'VE SAID IS THAT I HAVE I HAVE HEARD RUMBLINGS THAT THE COUNTY MAY HAVE OTHER

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PURPOSES FOR THE PROPERTY WHERE THE COMMUNITY MARKET SITS. AND SO BY SAYING, HEY, I WANT IT TO BE IN THE IN THE CITY OF DENTON, IN AN AREA THAT DOES CONTRIBUTE TO THE FUNDS AND THAT REQUIREMENT THAT EXISTS AS FAR AS WHAT YOU CAN USE FUNDS FOR, I FEEL FINE TYING THAT TO DOWNTOWN DENTON AS PART OF WHAT WHAT THE EXCHANGE IS FOR THESE FUNDS AND WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS AS FAR AS BRINGING PEOPLE INTO THE CITY OF DENTON SPENDING FUNDS. OKAY. ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF.

I'M SORRY. NO, NO. AND IF THERE'S OTHER ARGUMENTS, I'M HAPPY TO LISTEN AND CHANGE MY MIND IF SWAYED. THANK YOU. WHAT OTHER HOT FUNDS DO WE TIE? GEOGRAPHIC RESTRICTIONS TO? ALL OF THEM HAVE TO BE WITHIN CITY LIMITS, RIGHT? BUT NOT DOWNTOWN, RIGHT. LIKE WHAT? WHAT OTHERS DO WE SAY? YOU HAVE TO BE IN THIS SUBSET OF DENTON. IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO DOWNTOWN. NONE OF THEM. I MEAN, LIKE, NO, I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING DOWNTOWN PER SE. THAT'S WHAT PROPOSED HERE. I'M SAYING AS FAR AS PRECEDENT, HAVE DO ANY OF THE OTHER HOT FUND REQUIREMENTS TARGET THAT? SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THE FAIR AND RODEO MOVES TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION IN DENTON. THEY'RE STILL ELIGIBLE FOR THE FUNDS. CORRECT. SO IS THERE ANOTHER ONE THAT IS DISQUALIFIED IF THEY MOVE. SO A PLACE GROWS OUT OF THEIR FOOTPRINT AND THEY WANT TO GET A BIGGER FOOTPRINT, RIGHT.

THEY'RE NOT PENALIZED FOR THAT. CORRECT. NOT AS IT'S WRITTEN TODAY. NO SIR. NONE OF THEM.

CORRECT. OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE. DISTRICT ONE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. AND THAT WAS EXACTLY MY QUESTION. BEING ON THE HOT FUND COMMITTEE, I HADN'T HEARD OF ANY GROUP NOT RECEIVING THEIR FUNDS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN DOWNTOWN. I'M THINKING OF A COUPLE OF, YOU KNOW, GROUPS THAT DO THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN DOWNTOWN. BUT IF I'M NOT REAL SURE OF HOW THIS MOTION IS GOING TO PLAY WITH THE AMENDMENT, WE WOULD HAVE TO VOTE DOWN THE AMENDMENT AND THEN COME BACK AND REDO THE MOTION. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE HEARING? SO I WOULD CERTAINLY WANT MY HOT FUNDS TO STAY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OF DENTON. AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEADS AND BEDS, IT WOULD NOT EVEN BE A BAD IDEA TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE THIS, THIS OPPORTUNITY KIND OF ALL OVER. DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, JUST TRY IT EVERYWHERE. SO I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT ON THAT COMMITTEE. I'M NOT A PART OF THEM. THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. BUT IN ANY CASE, YEAH I MEAN, IT'S JUST KIND OF I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY DOWNTOWN DENTON AND MAYBE COUNCIL MEMBER MOSER CAN GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T I WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, APPROVE OF THIS, AS AMENDED. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH. MAYOR PRO TEM MELTZER, FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO IMPROVE THINGS, YOU'RE VERY LIKELY TO DO THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE BEFORE. SO THE FACT THAT IT HASN'T BEEN DONE BEFORE IS NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. OKAY. NOW, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HAVING IT ELSEWHERE, PERHAPS LIKE OUT IN THE LOOP, AND YOUR JUDGMENT MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN MINE. MY JUDGMENT IS IT WOULD DO MUCH LESS FOR DENTON IN TERMS OF THE OBJECTIVES OF HOTEL AND OCCUPANCY TAX WOULD DO MUCH LESS FOR DENTON, NOT IN DOWNTOWN. I AND, YOU KNOW, MY JUDGMENT IS IT'S SO SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAT I WOULD SAY I WOULD TIE IT TO THE FUNDS. DOES IT PREVENT THEM FROM DOING ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING THEY WANT? NO, IT'S JUST WHAT I'M HERE FOR IS TO STEWARD, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE'S MONEY FOR THE OBJECTIVES THAT WE'VE AGREED ON. AND AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, THAT IS THEIR INTENTION FOR THIS YEAR. I'M PUTTING IT OUT THERE AS A MARKER TO SAY, YEAH, THAT'S A VALUE TO ME. YOU KNOW, AS, AS A LEGISLATOR. AND I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR PLANS IN THE FUTURE TO SUSTAIN THAT. AND IF THAT PARTICULAR SITE, WE'RE NO LONGER MEETING THEIR NEEDS, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD BE RIGHT IN THERE WITH THEM COLLABORATING, TRYING TO IDENTIFY ANOTHER SITE, HELP WITH IMPROVEMENTS. IN FACT, THE COMMUNITY MARKET BEING DOWNTOWN IS WRITTEN INTO THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN THAT YOU ALL VOTED FOR. SO IT'S JUST CONSISTENT WITH THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE, I WOULD BE REMISS. AND BECAUSE JUST IN CASE THIS GETS OUTSIDE OF THIS ROOM, WHICH IT'S BEING BROADCAST LIVE NOW, THE CITY MANAGER AND I WERE BOTH IN A MEETING WITH THE COUNTY, AND THEY'VE EXPRESSED THEIR DESIRE TO ENHANCE THAT AREA, ADD PARKING, DO A LOT OF THINGS TO THAT AREA. SO I DON'T

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KNOW WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM, BUT I'M JUST FULL DISCLOSURE, I'D BE DOING A DISSERVICE TO THE IMPORTANT MEETINGS WE HAVE. AND WE'VE NOW HAVE. WE'RE NOW ESTABLISHING REGULAR MEETINGS WITH THE COUNTY TO HAVE THESE VERY CONVERSATIONS, AND I DON'T WANT IT TO BE THAT, THAT SOMEHOW THAT'S NOT THEIR INTENTION AS OF THE LAST CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH THEM, IT IS TO ADD ENHANCEMENTS. I'M NOT GOING INTO DETAILS, BUT I'M JUST SAYING FOR THE RECORD, I'VE HEARD THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT I'M WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE, SITTING IN A ROOM WITH THE CITY MANAGER. SO THAT'S GOING TO GUIDE MY DECISION. WE'LL SEE HOW IT SHAKES OUT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES FOUR THREE TAKES

[I. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton authorizing the City Manager to execute an agreement between the City of Denton and Denton County through the Office of History and Culture, for the payment and use of program year 2025 hotel tax revenue in support of the Denton County Museums; and providing an effective date. ($296,200 - Community Partnership Committee recommends approval 2-0)]

US TO ITEM I ID 242436. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON, DENTON COUNTY, THROUGH THE OFFICE OF HISTORY AND CULTURE FOR PAYMENT FOR USE OF PROGRAM YEAR 2025 HOTEL TAX REVENUE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE, MAYOR PRO TEM MELTZER. ACTUALLY, I WAS PLEASED TO HEAR IN THE PREVIOUS ITEM THAT THERE ARE THESE REGULAR CONVERSATIONS GOING ON WITH THE COUNTY. I WAS ALLEGING NO, NO, NOTHING FROM THE COUNTY, SO THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR. AND THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM RELATED TO THE COUNTY. AND WE I'M ABSOLUTELY FOR US, TRYING TO BUILD GOODWILL AND A BETTER FRIENDSHIP WITH THE COUNTY. AND THERE ARE AREAS WHERE WE'VE, YOU KNOW, TRIED TO WORK TOGETHER. AND I'M GOING TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE COUNTY VERY EVIDENTLY AND FORTHRIGHTLY WANTS, YOU KNOW, OFFERED TO GIVE MONEY, SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY TOWARD OUR DAILY BREAD. AND IT WAS NEVER AN OFFER TO HAVE A CONTINUING YEAR AFTER YEAR THING. IT WAS A ONE TIME THING, SUPPOSEDLY, AND THERE WAS. AND IT'S I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE. IT'S TRUE THAT THEY WANTED ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT WE'RE SERVING MORE THAN PEOPLE FROM THE CITY OF DENTON AT OADBY. SO HERE'S HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I ACTUALLY WANT I MOVED TO I MOVED TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM UNTIL THE PARTIES CAN GET TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I LIKE TO HAVE A BETTER FRIENDSHIP. I DON'T THINK LIKE THE CITY OF DENTON, BEING A DOORMAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A BETTER FRIENDSHIP. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOODWILL. I YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY WANTS THAT EITHER. SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL WE HAVE AGREEMENT ON THE OADBY SITUATION. THEN LET'S TAKE THEM BOTH UP. I HOPE TO VOTE. I HOPE TO VOTE YES ON THIS WHEN IT COMES BACK. SO IT. WELL, I'LL LET YOU SAY IT. I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, WHAT THIS IS. AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS INDEFINITE POSTPONEMENT BASED ON A CONDITION. BUT IT WOULD BE AN INDEFINITE POSTPONEMENT, KIND OF UNDER OUR RULES. SURE. YEAH. THE WAY THAT WOULD WORK, THOUGH, IS, IS IT WON'T COME BACK AT ANY CERTAIN GIVEN DATE. IT WON'T BE TO A CERTAIN DATE. IT'LL JUST BE SOME DAY IN THE FUTURE WHEN, WHEN THIS HAPPENS, IF AND WHEN IT HAPPENS. EXACTLY. AN EVENT. CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DATES. OKAY.

IS THERE A SECOND REPRESENTATIVE? DISTRICT TWO. WHILE I GENERALLY SUPPORT MUSEUM EFFORTS AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS A FUNDING ITEM ON, I DO THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE IT AS A BULLET POINT TO INDICATE THAT WE DO NEED TO HAVE BETTER DISCUSSIONS ON MANY OF OUR RELATIONSHIPS ITEMS. SO WITH AN EVENT CERTAIN I CAN I CAN SECOND THIS. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ANY DISCUSSION I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE IN BLACKMAIL. THAT'S NOT HOW I DO BUSINESS. AND THIS IS BAD. THIS IS THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. I BEG YOUR PARDON? I WAS I WAS SIMPLY GOING TO ASK WHAT THE DATE CERTAIN WAS. IT'S AN EVENT. CERTAIN EVENT CERTAIN. IT'S THAT THEY. THEY WRITE US A CHECK FOR OUR DAILY BREAD. OKAY, YEAH, I MISUNDERSTOOD. I BEG YOUR PARDON? YEAH. GOT IT. COME ON.

AND FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, LET ME TELL YOU WHY I CAN'T GET BEHIND THAT THAT EVENT CERTAIN.

BECAUSE IF THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTES TO OUR DAILY BREAD, THAT MEANS EVERY CITY IN THE

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COUNTY CAN BRING THEIR. THE PEOPLE THAT NEED SERVICES NEED SHELTER TO DENTON. THAT'S ARGYLE, THAT'S CRUMB, THAT'S SANGER, THAT'S EVERYONE COMES TO DENTON. THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT THAT OPENS THE DOOR BECAUSE THE COUNTY DOES. THE COUNTY FUNDS IT. IT BECOMES A COUNTY OPERATION. IT BECOMES A COUNTY FACILITY BY PROXY, MEANING THAT EVERY CITY WOULD BE THEN FREE TO BRING PEOPLE HERE TO DENTON FOR SERVICES. SO JUST SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE MECHANISM BEHIND THAT. AND AGAIN, THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND, AND TO UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMICS AND HOW TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. I AM THINKING ABOUT. I DO AGREE WITH YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MELZER. I AGREE TO AN EXTENT, BUT I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT THE VALUABLE LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE COUNTY BRINGS TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND IT'S ALSO A. HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX. PROBABILITY BECAUSE THEY DO OFFER THE CULTURAL AND HISTORICAL THINGS THAT OUR STUDENTS NEED AND OUR VISITORS NEED. AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO HOLD THAT HOSTAGE FOR THE SAKE OF US WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON OTHER THINGS. I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS NEED TO BE SEPARATED AND GO AHEAD AND ALLOW OUR COUNTY TO DO WHAT IT DOES IN TERMS OF EDUCATING, EDUCATING US CULTURALLY. WE HAVE A BIG CULTURAL SYSTEM, LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES HERE, AND I DON'T THINK I'M JUST WILLING TO GIVE THAT UP. I WANT US TO HAVE THOSE THINGS AVAILABLE TO US, AND THEN I WANT US TO ALSO CONTINUE OUR WORK IN DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY. ON ANOTHER ISSUE. I DON'T THINK THESE SHOULD PLAY TOGETHER. THANK YOU.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH, MAYOR PRO TEM, ACTUALLY, WHAT I SPECIFIED WAS THAT WE REACH AGREEMENT ON THAT. SO IF THE TERMS ARE, WE MUST NOW AND FOREVER FORWARD ACCEPT ANYBODY FROM ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY. WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T AGREE TO THAT. IN FACT, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE THINGS STALLED BEFORE. BUT IF IT'S A MATTER OF SAYING IN THIS, IN THIS BUDGET CYCLE, BECAUSE THIS IS A ONE TIME THING, THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE CITY OF DENTON AT OADBY. NOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE CITY OF DENTON THERE RIGHT NOW. WE KNOW THAT FOR A FACT. SO I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S FAIR FOR THE COUNTY TO PARTICIPATE. I THINK THE COUNTY THINKS IT'S FAIR FOR THE COUNTY TO PARTICIPATE, AND IT'S JUST A STATEMENT OF FACT THAT IT'S NOT ONLY PEOPLE FOR CITY OF DENTON. AND LET'S LET'S NOT MAKE THINGS SO DIFFICULT IN TERMS OF HAVING A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY. LET'S SAY LET'S JUST SAY THIS IS FOR THIS CYCLE AND LET'S AGREE ON EVERYTHING WE CAN AGREE ON. AND BY GOLLY, I CERTAINLY EXPECT TO BE AGREEING ON THIS FUNDING FOR THE DENTON COUNTY MUSEUMS AS WELL.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX, COUNCILPERSON CHESTER, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT I PERSONALLY, I DO NOT FEEL THAT THIS IS A CONSTRUCTIVE WAY TO BRING PARTIES TO THE TABLE BY WITHHOLDING THE NINE, $296,200 FROM THE OFFICE OF HISTORY AND CULTURE. I'M I'M GOING TO BE VOTING NO ON THIS AND VOTING IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD. I THINK THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO SIT DOWN AND WORK TOGETHER. AND I, I THINK PERSONALLY THAT THIS WOULD HAVE THE OPPOSITE EFFECT. SO THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS AND THE EXPLANATION FROM MY COLLEAGUES. YOU KNOW, BY TRADE I'M A TRUCK DRIVER. DRIVE AROUND ALL DAY, LISTEN TO A TON OF PODCASTS. ONE OF MY FAVORITE PODCASTS IS VERDICT WITH TED CRUZ. YEAH, I LIKE VERDICT. IT'S A GREAT PODCAST. IN HIS PODCAST, HE REGULARLY TALKS ABOUT HOW TO GET THINGS DONE, AND HE'S CHANGED MY PERSPECTIVE ON THE WAY WASHINGTON WORKS. WITH RESPECT TO THE BUDGET, SENATOR CRUZ REGULARLY SAYS THE BUDGET IS THE TOOL THAT WE NEED TO GET THINGS DONE. THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS IS. THIS ISN'T BLACKMAIL. THIS IS NEGOTIATING.

POLITICS IS NEGOTIATING, RIGHT. THE DEFINITION OF POLITICS IS THE DISTRIBUTION OF RESOURCES.

YOU'RE SAYING IF WE DISTRIBUTE THESE RESOURCES, WE WOULD LIKE X BACK. NOT ONLY AM I OKAY WITH THAT, THAT IS ACTUALLY OUR JOB. SO, MAYOR PRO TEM, I APPRECIATE THAT. I WILL BE JOINING YOU IN,

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IN SUPPORTING THIS, THIS FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THIS. AND I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES WILL UNDERSTAND THAT THIS ISN'T HOLDING SOMEONE OVER A BARREL. THIS ISN'T THREATENING SOMEONE.

THIS IS STANDING UP FOR OUR CITY, OUR STAFF, SO WE CAN GET THE THINGS THAT WE WANT. SO I HOPE WE WILL FAIRLY EVALUATE THAT AS WE GO FORWARD AND TRY TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO PUT US IN THESE SEATS. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. THANK YOU. I GUESS THIS IS A POINT OF A POINT OF ORDER QUESTION. IF THIS MOTION TO AMEND FAILS, CAN WE VOTE ON ITEM I AS IT'S AS IT'S ORIGINALLY SET UP? YEAH, IT'S A MOTION TO POSTPONE IF IT FAILS.

AND I BELIEVE, MAYOR, THIS IS THE WAY WE HANDLE THESE. IT WOULD TAKE A SUBSEQUENT MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY AT THAT POINT. YEAH, RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEP. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.

THERE'S A MOTION TO POSTPONE INDEFINITELY OR TO A DATE. CERTAIN OR TO EVENTS. CERTAIN.

BETTER SAID. POSTPONED TO AN EVENT. CERTAIN IS WHAT'S BEFORE US. VOTE ON THE SCREEN, PLEASE.

THAT FAILS. FOUR, THREE. I'LL TAKE A MOTION. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO APPROVE THE APPROVAL OF ID 242436 AS WRITTEN. IS THERE A SECOND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX, COUNCILPERSON CHESTER SECONDS? IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES. 661. IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK SO, YEAH. IT HAPPENED REALLY FAST.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. STAFF APPRECIATE IT TAKES US TO. EX ID 242569. CONSIDER ADOPTION

[X. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract extension with Eurovia Atlantic Coast LLC, dba Sunmount Paving Company, as the primary vendor, and Jagoe-Public Company, as the secondary vendor, through January 5, 2026, to continue the supply and installation of hot mix asphalt concrete for the Streets Department; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFP 7486 - extending the contracts with Eurovia Atlantic Coast LLC, dba Sunmount Paving Company and Jagoe-Public Company, to January 5, 2026).]

OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT EXTENSION WITH YOUR VIA. ATLANTIC COAST LLC, DBA SOME SUNMOUNT PAVING COMPANY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. YES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I CALLED FOR THIS TO BE A SEPARATE VOTE. I, I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING REALLY HARD NOT TO MAKE NEGATIVE MOTIONS. SO THE REASON I WANTED THIS TO BE A SEPARATE VOTE IS WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF ISSUES WITH SUNMOUNT PROVIDING PAVING. I SAW THE BACKUP RESPONSE TO MY QUESTION. IT DOES NOT FEEL LIKE THAT WAS RESOLVED. IT FEELS LIKE IT WAS TALKED ABOUT, BUT BUT NOT RESOLVED. SO. SO I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION. OKAY. CAN YOU CAN YOU SPEAK TO OUR BIDDING PROCESS? THIS IS A BID, RIGHT? THEY WANT A BID. IT'S A YEAH. RIGHT.

RIGHT. BUT THE PROCESS WAS AN RFP. YES. THIS IS AN EXTENSION. YES. AND SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT PROCESS? I MEAN, BECAUSE I LET ME PUT A FINER POINT TO IT, EVEN IF SOMEONE HAS THE WORST HISTORY, LET'S SET THIS ASIDE. RIGHT. JUST HYPOTHETICALLY, SOMEONE HAS THE WORST HISTORY EVER, BUT THEY WIN A BID. CAN WE? I JUST DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS ON IF WE CAN, IF THEY WIN THE RFP, IF WE CAN DISQUALIFY THEM BECAUSE OF PERSONAL PREFERENCE OR HISTORY OR THOSE SORT OF THINGS, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD COME IN BEFORE THEY WIN THE RFP VERSUS AFTERWARDS. BUT HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT, LAURA. I'M THE PURCHASING MANAGER. THIS WAS AN IFB, SO AN INVITATION FOR BID. SO I WENT TO THE LOWEST PRICE BIDDER FIVE YEARS AGO. SO THE BID WENT OUT FIVE YEARS AGO. AND WE'RE EXTENDING IT FOR A YEAR WHILE WE CAN DO ANOTHER SOLICITATION. SO EITHER AN IFB OR A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL. RIGHT. SO AT ANY POINT IN ANY OF OUR CONTRACTS, WE CAN TERMINATE FOR CAUSE OR FOR CONVENIENCE IF THEY'RE NOT PERFORMING OKAY.

YEP. GOT IT. OKAY. WELL THEN WITH THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF'S ANSWER AND WHERE WE'RE GOING. AND I'M ASSUMING WE NEED IT. RIGHT. LIKE WE'D HAVE TO REBID AND THAT AND THAT SORT OF THING. AND ARE THERE ANY DELAYS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. YEAH. YES, SIR. DANIEL KRAMER, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS CURRENTLY THIS IS THIS CONTRACTS WITH STREET DEPARTMENT USES TO GET ITS ASPHALT MIX TO DO PAVEMENT REPAIRS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND ALSO IT USES AS THE OPTION TO FOR THEIR LABOR TO ACTUALLY PAVE ON SOME OF OUR PROJECTS. SO IF WE WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT FOR A BID AND THERE COULD BE A DELAY WITH SOME SOME MATERIALS. GOT IT. OKAY. AND WE I READ STAFF'S ANSWER, BUT JUST YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AREN'T PRIVY TO THAT. SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH WITH

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THEIR PERFORMANCE OBVIOUSLY HAD SOME ISSUES. BUT WE'RE A SECOND CHANCE CITY RIGHT. SO WE FEEL LIKE THEY'VE ADJUSTED THOSE THINGS. YES SIR. THEY DID HAVE SOME ISSUES ON SOME OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS. THEY HAVE RESPONDED GREATLY AND WORKED THROUGH THE WARRANTY MILL AND OVERLAYS AND REPAIRS THAT THEY HAD TO DO, AND EVERYTHING'S BEEN GOING WELL WITH THAT. WE HAVEN'T HAD ISSUES WITH THEM UNDER OUR CONTRACT THAT WE'VE HAD TO USE THEM RIGHT HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE? I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND. FOR THOSE PEOPLE WATCHING, WE'RE NOT A SECOND CHANCE CITY. I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK WE ARE. WE'RE NOT A SECOND CHANCE CITY YET. THANK YOU FOR THE SECOND.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SIX ONE. THAT

[AB. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with Argent Associates, Inc., for the supply of communications inventory for the Communications Department to be stocked in the City of Denton Warehouse; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (IFB 8634 - awarded to Argent Associates, Inc., for two (2) years, with the option for two (2) additional one (1) year extensions, in the total four (4) year not-to-exceed amount of $875,000.00).]

TAKES US TO ITEM A, B. ID 242578. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH ARGENT ASSOCIATES, INC. FOR THE SUPPLY COMMUNICATIONS INVENTORY FOR THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT TO BE STOCKED IN THE CITY OF DENTON WAREHOUSE. REPRESENTATIVE, DISTRICT TWO.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THE SAME SORT OF CIRCUMSTANCE. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A NEGATIVE MOTION TRYING TO AVOID THAT. SO THE REASON I ASKED FOR THIS TO BE PULLED IS I AGAIN, I SAW THE RESPONSE OF STAFF THAT IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE IFB, BUT IT CLEARLY DID. THE NUMBERS WERE VERY VARIABLE AND HAD ZEROS IN THOSE CELLS AFFECTING THE AMOUNTS THAT MATCHED. AND SO THAT IT WASN'T IT DIDN'T SEEM TO ME IT WAS A CONSISTENT. PURCHASE ACROSS THE BOARD FOR THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS. YOU KNOW, WITH WITH MAYOR'S DISCRETION. IF STAFF CAN TELL ME OTHERWISE, I WOULD LOVE TO BE EDUCATED ON THAT. BUT IN IN LIEU OF THAT, I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE NUMBERS MATCHED THE BACKUP OR THE ANSWER TO THE BACKUP. OKAY, I CAN ANSWER THAT.

LAURIE HILL, PURCHASING MANAGER AND I APOLOGIZE FOR HOW THE BID TAG CAME OUT. WE WILL FIX THAT IN THE FUTURE, BUT THERE WAS A PRICE FOR EVERY LINE ITEM THAT WE CALCULATED. SO IN THE ONES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE LINE 19, IT WAS BID OUT AS ONE LINE 19, BUT WE WERE ALLOWING ALTERNATES. SO A VENDOR, INSTEAD OF BIDDING WHAT WE ASKED FOR, THEY PROVIDED AN ALTERNATE. AND SO THE DEPARTMENT EVALUATED THAT ALTERNATE SAID THAT IT WAS ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE WE WERE ALLOWING EQUIVALENTS. AND SO THAT PRICE WAS PUT IN. SO IT WAS ON A LINE DOWN AS 19 ALTERNATE ONE. SO EVERY VENDOR WAS EVALUATED ON ONE PRICE PER LINE. ALL RIGHT I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. YEP I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO? GIVEN THAT EXPLANATION I APPRECIATE STAFF'S TIME ON THAT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND. OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN

[A. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton approving an application for a partial tax exemption of designated historic sites, in accordance with Chapter 10, Article VI, Sections 10-126 through 10-129 of the Denton Municipal Code of Ordinances, for a Local Historic Landmark located at 1526 Willowwood Street, located on the north side of Willowwood Street, between Kendolph Drive and McCormick Street; providing for severability; and providing an effective date. The Historic Landmark Commission recommends a favorable determination (4-0). (HL24-0006b, 1526 Willowwood Street - Tax Exemption, Cameron Robertson)]

ZERO. I THINK THAT TAKES US TO OUR ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. ITEM A6AHL240006.

BE CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON APPROVING AN APPLICATION FOR A PARTIAL TAX EXEMPTION OF DESIGNATED HISTORIC SITES AND ACCOMMODATIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER TEN, ARTICLE SIX, SECTION 10.126 THROUGH 10.129 OF THE DENTON MUNICIPAL CODE OF ORDINANCES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS CAMERON ROBERTSON. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1526 WILLOW WOOD STREET, JUST ON THAT NORTH SIDE. THERE, HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. THE PROPERTY IS A LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK WHICH WAS DESIGNATED THIS PAST SEPTEMBER 2024. THE REQUEST IS FOR A PARTIAL TAX EXEMPTION. THEY DID COMPLETED A NUMBER OF REPAIRS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR PROPERTY, INCLUDING STUCCO REPAIR, AS WELL AS SOME STORMWATER MITIGATION.

THEY SPENT APPROXIMATELY OR APPROXIMATELY $29,000 EXCLUDING DISPOSAL FEES. PAVESTONE BORDER AND SIDEWALK REMOVAL FOR THEIR PROPERTY. JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU ALL SOME BEFORE AND AFTERS.

THIS IS THE STUCCO WORK THAT WAS DONE TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOME, AND THEN SOME OF THAT SURFACE DRAINAGE. AND SINCE THESE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN, THEY'VE ACTUALLY PUT IN THAT GRASS COVER AS WELL. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S ALREADY PULLING THE WATER AWAY FROM THAT FOUNDATION. SO THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION MADE A FAVORABLE DETERMINATION OF FOUR ZERO. SO STAFF IS

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RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION FOR A PARTIAL TAX EXEMPTION, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE DISPOSAL FEES, PAVED STONE BORDER AND REMOVAL OF THE SIDEWALK, WHICH STILL AMOUNT TO THAT MINIMUM OF $10,000 SPENT. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. AND WHILE THOSE ARE BREWING REPRESENTATIVE IN DISTRICT SIX. COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER I APPROVE.

I'M SORRY I MOVE APPROVAL AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU. OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO I SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION. THANK YOU FOR THE WORK. I MEAN, IT'S GREAT. YOU KNOW THE MODIFICATIONS LOOK GREAT. THANK YOU FOR STAFF. AND YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS EARLY ON. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. I WAS I WAS GOING TO DO MY BEST CHARLES LEE INTERPRETATION, BUT I DIDN'T. HE'S AWESOME. OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM SIX B ID 242576.

[B. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with WEG Transformers USA LLC, for the purchase of substation power transformers for Denton Municipal Electric; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFP 8582 - awarded to WEG Transformers USA LLC, for three (3) years, with the option for two (2) additional one (1) year extensions, in the total five (5) year not-to-exceed amount of $24,890,000.00).]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS A HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH W E G TRANSFORMERS USA, LLC. GOOD EVENING, MARK ZIMMER ADM ENGINEERING HERE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AS A CONTRACT TO PURCHASE SUBSTATION POWER TRANSFORMERS FOR DMS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN PROJECTS, SUBSTATION POWER TRANSFORMERS RESIDE INSIDE DMS SUBSTATIONS AND CONVERT TRANSMISSION VOLTAGE TO DISTRIBUTION VOLTAGE. THESE DEVICES ARE THE MOST EXPENSIVE AND MOST IMPORTANT DEVICES IN DME SUBSTATIONS. DME HAS SEVERAL APPROVED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN PROJECTS WHICH REQUIRE PURCHASE OF SUBSTATION TRANSFORMERS. YOU CAN SEE THE QUANTITIES HERE ON THIS SLIDE, AS WELL AS A PICTURE OF A TYPICAL TRANSFORMER. SO DME PREPARED A TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION, ISSUED AN RFP AND RECEIVED THREE BIDS. THE BID FROM WEG TRANSFORMERS WAS EVALUATED, THE HIGHEST USING THE EVALUATION CRITERIA YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN. TOTAL CONTRACT AMOUNT WAS DEVELOPED USING THE NUMBER OF TRANSFORMERS REQUIRED FOR THESE PROJECTS, AS WELL AS SPARE PARTS AND 10% CONTINGENCY. SO DME RECOMMENDS AWARD OF A CONTRACT WITH WEG. TRANSFORMERS USA. AND HOW IS THE MARKET? IS IT? IT'S TOUGH. YEAH, I MEAN IT'S WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE? WE'E FOR THESE IS TWO YEARS. WE HAD BIDS FOR UP TO 4 OR 5 YEARS FROM. THAT'S NICE. WOW OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. THANK YOU. ARE THESE NEW TRANSFORMERS OR REBUILT? BRAND NEW. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT NEW TRANSFORMERS ARE DIFFICULT TO COME BY. ABSOLUTELY. YES. PRICES HAVE INCREASED QUITE A BIT OVER THE YEARS. AND LIKE WE MENTIONED, LEAD TIMES ARE DOUBLE WHAT THEY USED TO BE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. AND THIS IS EITHER A QUESTION FOR STAFF OR MAYOR. THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU. PAST COUPLE OF TIMES WE'VE GONE TO THE CONGRESSIONAL CITIES CONFERENCE. WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS LEAD. TIME TO COME DOWN. ANY HAVE YOU HEARD ANY ANY MOVEMENT? IS THIS GETTING BETTER FROM, YOU KNOW, FOR THESE TYPES OF EQUIPMENT? IT IS NOT I DON'T KNOW IF DISTRIBUTION TRANSFORMERS HAVE IMPROVED ANY. JERRY. MAYBE HE CAN SPEAK TO THAT, BUT JANUARY 20TH. GOOD EVENING. JERRY FELDER EXECUTIVE MANAGER, ENGINEERING SERVICES. HE'S CORRECT. WE'VE REALLY NOT SEEN ANY IMPROVEMENT AT ALL IN IN DELIVERY TIMES FOR THE TRANSFORMERS OR OTHER MAJOR EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE TO ORDER. IT SEEMS TO BE EXTENDING OUT FURTHER. SO AT THAT POINT, IS IT HELPING FOR US TO CONTINUE TO ASK FOR THIS OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES? IF, I MEAN, SHOULD WE BE ASKING FOR I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET UP. MAYBE JUST I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE. IF IT'S NOT HELPING, LET'S ASK FOR SOMETHING ELSE THAT CAN BE MORE ACHIEVABLE. I RESPECT THAT EVERYBODY IS HAVING THIS ISSUE. BUT, YOU KNOW, CHRISTIE FOGLE, CHIEF OF STAFF, THERE IS SEVERAL BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED BY SENATOR CRUZ AND SOME OTHER LEADERSHIP IN CONGRESS TO ADDRESS THE TRANSFORMER DISTRIBUTION ISSUES. WITH THE START OF THE NEW 119TH CONGRESS. IT'S STILL ON OUR PRIORITY LIST. WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH SENATOR CRUZ AND SOME OTHERS ON IT. SO I THINK IT'S PRUDENT TO KEEP IT ON OUR LIST AND THEN SEE WHAT THE 119TH CONGRESS DOES. HAPPY TO HEAR LEGISLATION TO FOLLOW. THANK YOU. CHRISTIE. MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU. OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DO WE ALREADY. YEAH, WE DID THAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. NO WE DIDN'T. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. WE DIDN'T DO THAT YET. COUNCILPERSON JESTER I MOVE APPROVAL AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE I'LL SECOND.

THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOUR WORK. THANK YOU.

[C. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton ordering an election for Districts 1, 2, 3, and 4 to be held on May 3, 2025, and if required, a runoff election to be held on June 7, 2025; prescribing the time, manner, and conduct of the election in accordance with a Joint Election Agreement and Contract for election services with the Elections Administrator of Denton County; and providing an effective date.]

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THAT TAKES US TO ITEM SIX C. AND THAT IS ID 242665. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON ORDERING AN ELECTION TO DISTRICTS ONE, TWO, THREE AND FOUR TO BE HELD ON MAY 3RD, 2025, AND IF REQUIRED, A RUNOFF ELECTION TO BE HELD ON JUNE 7TH, 2025. SIX.

LAUREN THODE AND CITY SECRETARY JUST WAITING FOR THIS TO LOAD. OKAY, SO THIS IS AN ORDINANCE FOR THE CALLING OF THE MAY 2025 GENERAL ELECTION. THE DATES SATURDAY, MAY 3RD, 2025 IS THE GENERAL ELECTION DATE. THE DISTRICTS FOR ELECTION THIS YEAR ARE DISTRICTS ONE, TWO, THREE AND FOUR. THE CITY CONTRACTS WITH THE DENTON COUNTY ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR TO ADMINISTER THE ELECTIONS. COUNCIL WILL. THE CONTRACT WILL BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AT A LATER DATE, WITH THE COST ESTIMATE THAT INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. IT'S A BIT PREMATURE FOR THEM TO HAVE THAT. THE KEY DATES FOR YOU TO KNOW ARE. EARLY VOTING STARTS APRIL 22ND, 2025 THROUGH CARRIES THROUGH APRIL 29TH, 2025. CANVASING IS ANTICIPATED TO BE ON MAY 13TH, 2025. THAT'S THE DATE THAT WE HAVE SET ON OUR CALENDAR AS PER THE COUNCIL AND IF NEEDED, THERE WILL BE A RUNOFF ON JUNE 7TH, 2025. THERE WOULD BE MORE INFORMATION FORTHCOMING IN THE FUTURE IF A RUNOFF IS NEEDED. THE POLLING LOCATIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED.

THERE WAS AN ISR ISSUED ON THIS FOR SOME BACKGROUND ON IT, BUT AS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, THESE ARE THE EARLY VOTING POLLING LOCATIONS. THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD ADD ON THIS IS THAT I WAS IN TOUCH WITH TEXAS WOMEN'S UNIVERSITY TODAY. IT IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED, BUT THEY ARE ANTICIPATING AT THIS CURRENT TIME. THE STUDENT ORGANIZATION SUITE IS THE AVAILABLE LOCATION AS THE EARLY VOTING LOCATION, AND THEN THE ELECTION DAY POLLING LOCATIONS ARE AS PRESENTED. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. HI. THANK YOU FOR THE ENTIRE TIME I'VE BEEN ON ON COUNCIL. AND ACTUALLY I THINK AT LEAST 2 TO 4 YEARS BEFORE THAT, THERE'S BEEN ONGOING. REQUESTS AND CONCERN AND, AND MOVEMENT TO MAINTAINING EARLY VOTING AND ELECTION DAY LOCATIONS AT UNT. AND WE KEEP PUTTING THEM IN AND THEN WE THEN THEY COME OUT AND THEN WE PUT THEM BACK IN AND THEY COME OUT AND SO THERE THERE'S NOT AN EARLY VOTING LOCATION IN THE UNT VICINITY RIGHT NOW. NO, SIR. WHEN I SPOKE WITH UNT, THEIR CONTACT THAT I HAVE, THEY INDICATED THAT UNT WAS THEY HAD AVAILABILITY AT A FOR MAY 3RD ONLY, AND IT'S STARTING ON MAY 1ST. AND THE DENTON COUNTY ELECTIONS ACTUALLY REQUIRES A BIT MORE TIME TO COORDINATE DELIVERY AND SETUP. SO THEIR AVAILABILITY WAS FOR MAY 3RD. SO BUT WE IN THE PAST HAVE USED WESLEYAN. YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GATEWAY AND UNION. THERE'S BEEN VAUTMANS, THERE'S BEEN GREEK LIFE. THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE USED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS TO MAINTAIN THOSE VOTING LOCATIONS. DID. WHAT ABOUT THOSE OTHERS? SO VAUTMANS IS THEY HAVE INDICATED IN THE PAST THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING AS A VOTING LOCATION. GREEK LIFE IS THE LOCATION THAT THEY ARE GIVING US THAT HAS AVAILABILITY FOR MAY 1ST. FOR THE MAY 3RD ELECTION DATE, THAT WAS THE ONLY AVAILABILITY THAT I WAS PROVIDED WITH. AND WESLEY, I DID NOT REACH OUT TO WESLEY. THEN I'M I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THIS IS A COMPLETE ISSUE. I MEAN, IF WE HAVE INVESTIGATED ALL OUR OPTIONS AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ONES WHERE WE'VE WE'VE CONSTANTLY PUT IT FORWARD AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE 40,000 POTENTIAL. WELL, NOT ALL OF THEM ARE VOTERS, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THAT THAT IS ONE OF THE LARGEST POPULATIONS OF. NON-CAR OWNING INDIVIDUALS IN THE CITY. AND GETTING TO SOME OF THESE EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS IS JUST CHALLENGING AND UNTENABLE FOR FOLKS LIKE THAT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE WANT TO REMOVE THEIR THEIR OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES THE WAY THIS CURRENTLY IS PRESENTED, AS IF THERE REALLY IS NO AVAILABLE ANYWHERE IN THE UNT AREA. OKAY. BUT THEN I'M GOING TO SAY THAT

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WE NEED TO BE WORKING FARTHER INTO THE FUTURE WITH OUR PARTNERS AT UNT AND OUR OUR OFF CAMPUS, OUR CAMPUS ADJACENT PARTNERS, IF THAT TURNS OUT TO BE THE CASE. BUT IF WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED WESLEY, THEN THEN I WOULD AT LEAST ASK THAT WE THROW THAT UP. AND WHAT IS IT? WHAT'S THE TIMING ON THIS? DO WE HAVE TO VOTE TONIGHT FOR THIS IN ORDER TO MAKE IT EFFECTUAL? NO, SIR. SO WE HAVE TIME. WHAT'S OUR DEADLINE FOR? FOR WE HAVE TO VOTE BY THE NEXT MEETING. SO IF WE CALLED IT AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO US, THEN THAT WOULD THAT WOULD MATCH SUFFICIENT TIMELINES. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. YES. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM WITH CITY ATTORNEY. YEAH, ELECTION HAS TO BE CALLED BY FEBRUARY 14TH. SO THE NEXT MEETING IS OUR ONLY REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING WHERE YOU COULD CALL THE ELECTION. THAT'S ON FEBRUARY 4TH. WELL, I SEE THE SCREEN ALREADY, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK THAT THAT WHOEVER'S MOVING, MAYBE CONSIDER THESE. OTHERWISE I'LL BE MAKING AN AMENDMENT MOTION, IF I MAY. YES. THERE ARE. AS THE CITY CONTRACTS WITH DENTON COUNTY ELECTIONS, WE DO. ALL OF THESE WILL BE PRESENTED TO DENTON COUNTY ELECTIONS. BUT DENTON COUNTY ELECTIONS DOES HAVE FINAL DECISION ON LOCATION.

SO SURE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT CHANGES ANYTHING. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE OR ANYTHING, BUT WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO ASK. AND I'D LIKE TO ASK. THAT'S FINE. ABSOLUTELY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. IF WE VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT AND APPROVE IT, BARRING SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM YOU, CAN WE THEN CHANGE IT, CHANGE THE LOCATION AT THE NEXT MEETING? YES, I BELIEVE SO, YES. ULTIMATELY, I THINK THE AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY IS GOING TO LIST THE LOCATIONS. SO THAT WOULD BE WHEN YOU'RE THAT'S WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO TIE THEM DOWN RIGHT NOW. IT'S ALL SUBJECT TO FUTURE APPROVAL BY THE COUNTY AND THE COUNCIL, WHATEVER IT GETS FIGURED OUT THERE. BUT THAT'S IT'S VERY CLEAR IN THE ATTACHMENT THAT THIS IS JUST THE PRELIMINARY LIST. AND THAT WILL BE CHANGED AT SOME POINT IN THAT AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY IS REALLY WHAT'S GOING TO NAIL THAT DOWN. BUT MY CONCERN IS DOCTOR BECK IS RIGHT.

PERHAPS STAFF CAN DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH ON OTHER LOCATIONS IN THAT AREA AND SEE IF SOMETHING PASSES MUSTER. THEN BRING THAT TO US. WE COULD SAY YES. PLEASE ADD THIS TO THE LIST OF THE LOCATIONS THAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO FINALLY APPROVE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? KEN? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE? YES, SIR. YEAH. LET'S JUST LET'S SEE WHAT THE MOTION IS. HOW ABOUT THAT REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX? COUNCILPERSON JESTER? I MOVE APPROVAL AS PRESENTED. OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. I'M SECONDING THE MOTION AS IT'S PRESENTED. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. YOU WANT TO MAKE A FRIENDLY. OH, I WAS WAITING ON.

YEAH, BECAUSE I DON'T YEAH, I DON'T I DON'T SEE A POINT IN IN COMING BACK. WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION TODAY. RIGHT. AND FIGURE IT OUT. WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK NEXT WEEK. BUT GO GO RIGHT AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. THANK THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THEN, THEN BEFORE I MAKE MY MOTION, I SEEING ACTIVITY. I'M GOING TO SPEAK BECAUSE SARAH HENSLEY, CITY MANAGER, WE ARE WE DON'T HAVE WESLEY ON OUR CURRENT LIST. AND AS SHE MENTIONED, THE COUNTY HAS TO APPROVE THESE SITES. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND EVEN LOOK AT WESLEY TO SEE IF IT'S A VIABLE SITE, THEN GET THE COUNTY ACTUALLY TO SAY YOU CAN USE THAT SITE. WE'VE USED IT IN THE PAST. IT'S BEEN IN THE PAST, BUT NOT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. AND SO ALL I'M SAYING IS IT'S NOT ON OUR LIST BECAUSE IN THE PAST IT FELL OFF THE LIST. JUST BECAUSE SHE PICKS THESE SITES, UNLESS THEY'RE OURS, THEY HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE WHILE TO GET, FIRST OF ALL, TO ASK UNT IF WE CAN USE THE SITE, THEN TO ASK THE COUNTY, WILL YOU APPROVE THIS SITE? AND SO I THINK SHE'S SHE GOT THE MESSAGE THAT YOU WE WANT TO HAVE A POLLING LOCATION ON ELECTION DAY. WE HAVE ONE. THAT'S ELECTION DAY I'M SORRY.

ON PRE EARLY VOTING, BUT WE CAN ASK AGAIN. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THE COUNTY HAS TO APPROVE IT. SO IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN. JUST SO YOU KNOW I HEAR YOU THEN WITH THE FLOOR I'M STILL GOING TO MAKE THE AMENDMENT MOTION THAT WE POSTPONE UNTIL WE FIND OUT ABOUT WESLEY CENTER. POSTPONE. IS THERE A MOTION FOR THE POSTPONEMENT? IS THERE A SECOND TO THE TO THE NEXT MEETING? YEAH. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? YEAH. OKAY. SORRY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE SECOND. SO MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BECK, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD TO POSTPONE. SO THAT'LL

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TAKE PRECEDENT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE POSTPONED MOTION AGAIN.

MOTION BY REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. SECOND BY REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO POSTPONE IS THIS REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE? IS THIS FOR THE POSTPONEMENT? YES. GO RIGHT AHEAD. WE UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND THE TIME CONSTRAINTS WITH OUR NEXT MEETING IS ON THE FOURTH. I GUESS WE'RE JUST ASKING TO TRY. IF YOU ALL ARE JUST OPEN TO TRYING, YOU NEVER KNOW. IT MIGHT WORK OUT THERE.

IT MIGHT WORK OUT AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION ON CAMPUS. SO I'LL BE JOINING AND VOTING FOR THIS MOTION TO POSTPONE. IF WE CAN JUST TRY TO FIND SOMETHING TO ACCOMMODATE THEM, WE OUGHT TO MAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY THOSE WHO USE LESS PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OR DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN PRIVATE TRANSPORTATION, TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE. THANK YOU.

OKAY, ANYONE ELSE ON THE MOTION TO POSTPONE SEEING NONE? ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON THE SCREEN? THERE WE GO. MOTION POSTPONED. PASSES 4 TO 3. SO THAT'LL COME BACK IN THE NEXT MEETING, RIGHT? WE DIDN'T VOTE. WE DIDN'T VOTE I DON'T KNOW. HOLD ON. OOPS. IT WENT AWAY. I HAD TO PRESS THE BUTTON BUT THAT'S OKAY. IT PASSED ANYWAYS. YEAH. SO DO WE HAVE TO REDO IT? HOW DOES THAT WORK? YEAH. YES, SIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, VOTE ON THE SCREEN, PLEASE. THIS DOESN'T SAY IT WAS PULLED. BUT IT'S NUMBER. BRIAN. SECONDARY. SORRY, SIR. THAT'S A LIMITATION OF THE SYSTEM. WE WILL RECORD IT AS A MOTION TO POSTPONE. ARE WE VOTING TO POSTPONE? YEAH. THE VOTE.

WHETHER YOU WANT TO POSTPONE OR NOT. YEAH, PLEASE. THANK YOU FOR. FIVE, TWO PASSES. OKAY.

[D. Consider adoption of an ordinance ordering a special election for the purpose of submitting proposed charter amendments to the registered voters of the City of Denton replacing all instances of gendered language with non-gendered language; resolving conflicts with state law and modifying vague or unclear language, and increasing the term of the Municipal Judge from two years to four years; to be held on May 3, 2025; prescribing the time, manner, and conduct of the special election in accordance with a Joint Election Agreement and contract for election services with the Election Administrator; prescribing the form of the ballot; and providing an effective date.]

THAT TAKES US 14 MINUTES. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM D ID 25041. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF ORDINANCE ORDERING A SPECIAL ELECTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SUBMITTING A PROPOSED CHARTER. AMENDMENTS TO THE REGISTERED VOTERS OF THE CITY OF DENTON, REPLACING ALL INSTANCES OF GENDER LANGUAGE WITH NON-GENDER LANGUAGE. RESOLVING CONFLICTS WITH STATE LAW, AND MODIFYING VAGUE AND UNCLEAR LANGUAGE, AND INCREASING THE TERM OF THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE FROM TWO YEARS TO FOUR YEARS, TO BE HELD ON MAY 3RD, 2025. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL CHRISTY FOGLE, CHIEF OF STAFF. TODAY, I'LL PRESENT THE CHARTER AMENDMENT PROPOSITIONS AS APPROVED BY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 3RD, AND COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE CALLING A SPECIAL ELECTION TO AMEND THE DENTON CITY CHARTER. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT. THIS STARTED AS A TWO MINUTE PITCH IN AUGUST OF 2023, AND THEN COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE AND AMENDMENT ELECTION. IN JANUARY 2024. COUNCIL PROVIDED DIRECTION ON THE TIMELINE AND MAKEUP OF THE COMMITTEE. FROM FEBRUARY TO MAY, COUNCIL HELD FIVE WORK SESSIONS THAT SHAPED THE COMMITTEE CHARGES, AND THEN IN JUNE, COUNCIL APPROVED THE CHARGES AND CREATED THE COMMITTEE. THE COMMITTEE MET FROM JULY TO NOVEMBER AND HELD EIGHT MEETINGS TO CONSIDER AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL REGARDING THE CHARGES. AND THEN IN DECEMBER, COUNCIL CONSIDERED THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND PROVIDED DIRECTION REGARDING THE CHARTER ELECTION ORDINANCE. THAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY. HERE YOU CAN SEE A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE CHARGES AND HOW THE COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL BOTH WEIGHED IN ON EACH OF THESE ITEMS. THE ITEMS HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN ARE THE ONES THAT WERE BOTH RECOMMENDED AND AGREED UPON BY COUNCIL. AND ARE THE AMENDMENTS BEFORE YOU TODAY. HERE IS THE PROPOSITION LANGUAGE. FOR EACH ITEM YOU CAN SEE, PROPOSITION B COMBINES THE TWO CHARGES RELATED TO RESOLVING CONFLICTS WITH STATE LAW AND VAGUE OR UNCLEAR LANGUAGE. AND YOU CAN ALSO FIND A RED LINE OF THE CHANGES IN THE ORDINANCE EXHIBIT. IN ORDER TO HOLD A CHARTER AMENDMENT, ELECTION COUNCIL MUST CONSIDER AND APPROVE AN ORDINANCE CALLING A SPECIAL ELECTION FOR THE PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS. ONCE THIS IS DONE, THE CITY WILL PUBLISH INFORMATIONAL MATERIALS IN PRINT AND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. LEGAL NOTICES WILL BE

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PUBLISHED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, AND THE SPECIAL ELECTION WILL TAKE PLACE AT THE SAME TIMES AND LOCATIONS AS THE GENERAL ELECTION, PER COUNCIL. RULES OF PROCEDURES. THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU TODAY DOES REQUIRE A TWO THIRDS OR FIVE PERSON VOTE, AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SEEING NONE.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE AND MAYOR PRO TEM MELTZER I MOVE APPROVAL SIX. IS THERE A SECOND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE? I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I WANT TO THANK STAFF AND EVERYONE FOR DOING THEIR WORK. DUE DILIGENCE, GETTING TO THIS POINT. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. YEAH, I WANTED TO DO LIKEWISE. I APPRECIATE ALL STAFF'S TIME. I WANTED TO THANK THE CHARTER COMMITTEE. I CLEARLY WISH AFTER TWO YEARS OF EFFORT, WE WE'D ACCOMPLISHED A LITTLE MORE. BUT THAT IS THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. SO WE DO WHAT WE DO. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES

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SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO CONCLUDING ITEMS. WE HAVE TO TAKE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 630.

SO ANY CONCLUDING ITEMS BEFORE WE GET THERE BEFORE WE TAKE A BREAK. I'LL JUST SAY WENT TO UNT WOMEN'S BASKETBALL GAME. THAT'S REALLY GOOD IF YOU'RE INTO DOING GREAT THINGS. PLEASE CONTINUE TO SHOP LOCAL WITH THE SNOW DAYS. BUSINESSES NEED THAT AND I WANT TO THANK STAFF AND EVERYONE THAT KEPT THE CITY RUNNING DURING THOSE TIMES. AND IT'S GOING TO BE COLD NEXT WEEK AS WELL. SO PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THOSE THINGS AND THINK THAT IS ALL I HAVE, ALL IT'S COMING UP.

THERE'S LOTS OF EVENTS, FESTIVALS, ETC. GALAS. SO PLEASE CONSIDER SUPPORTING THOSE NON-PROFITS. AND AT 619 WE'LL TAKE A RECESS TILL EXACTLY 630. WE'LL CALL OUR PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, AND THAT WILL TAKE THAT UP AND THEN CONCLUDE TONIGHT'S MEETING. SO WE'LL BE

[A. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, approving an Alternative Environmentally Sensitive Plan to offset the removal of 1.92 acres of Environmentally Sensitive Areas (ESAs). The subject site is on approximately 84.14 acres of land located west of Interstate-35 and 1,900 feet south of the intersection of State Highway 288 and Interstate-35 in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the city’s official environmentally sensitive areas map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [5-0] to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Pruett and second by Commissioner Padron. (AESA24-0004b, Harris Ranch Industrial, Christi Upton)]

WELCOME BACK TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. TODAY IS TUESDAY, JANUARY 14TH, 2025.

IT IS 631 AND WE ARE BACK FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING. SO I'LL CALL THAT ITEM. IT IS FIVE A, AESA240004B. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, APPROVING AN ALTERNATE ALTERNATE E ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA PLAN TO OFFSET THE REMOVAL OF 1.92 ACRES OF ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA. THE SUBJECT SITE IS ON APPROXIMATELY 84.14 ACRES, AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS CHRISTIE UPTON AND ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE COORDINATOR. AND TONIGHT I WILL BE PRESENTING ISA 20 44B HARRIS RANCH ESA ALTERNATIVE ESA PLAN, ALSO KNOWN AS A MITIGATION PLAN.

THIS IS A REQUEST TO APPROVE THE PLAN. THE PROPOSAL IS TO RESTORE AND EXPAND THE FUNCTIONS OF A WATER RELATED HABITAT IN A PLANNED DETENTION BASIN IN EXCHANGE FOR THE REMOVAL OF THAT WATER RELATED HABITAT. THE PROPERTY IS 84 ACRES ON SOUTH OF LOOP 288, NEAR I-35, AND THIS IS ONE MORE STEP IN THE AND THE. SORRY, I LOST THE WORD. I'M SORRY. OKAY, THIS IS ONE MORE STEP IN THE PROCESS, AND THE DEVELOPMENT IS TO INSTALL INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSING AND THE SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE PROPERTY ON THE PROPERTY. THE ESAS, AS WERE ESTABLISHED THROUGH A FIELD. ASSESSMENT. THIS AREA WAS PREVIOUSLY A STREAM AND THIS FREE FLOWING STREAM THROUGH THE PROPERTY WAS WAS DAMMED IN ORDER TO CREATE THESE WATER BODIES THAT SERVED THE GAS WELL TO THE WEST. THROUGH THAT, THE INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES TO THAT STREAM CREATED THE WETLANDS. AND SO THESE EMERGENT WETLANDS STARTED TO FILL IN AS THAT WATER REMAINED

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STANDING IN THOSE AREAS, AND THUS IS MET THE CRITERIA OF BEING A WATER RELATED HABITAT.

THE PLAN IS TO REMOVE ALL OF THOSE WATER RELATED HABITATS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS DETENTION BASIN. THE DETENTION BASIN AT THE END RESULT OF IT WOULD BE FIVE ACRES IN SIZE. IT HAS STRUCTURES THAT WOULD HELP WITH REMOVING POLLUTANTS PRIOR TO ENTERING THE WATER. THE WATER BODY THAT'S CREATED. THE STRUCTURE IS BEEN ENGINEERED IN A WAY TO CREATE VARIED HABITAT, DEATHS, DEPTHS AND WITH THOSE VARIED DEPTHS BEING ABLE TO ALLOW FOR A WIDER VARIETY OF PLANTS. AND ALONG WITH THAT FINAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE. THE STRUCTURE IS A MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT WILL BE IN PERPETUAL, PERPETUALLY SECURED IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE ECOLOGICAL FUNCTIONS IN THIS DETENTION BASIN, AS WELL AS THE DETENTION BASINS. FUNCTION FOR STORMWATER VOLUME AND VELOCITIES. NOTIFICATIONS WERE MADE AND THERE WERE THREE RESPONSES IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WERE HELD. THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WAS APPROVAL WITH THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT OF THOSE CONDITIONS BEING THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE TO COMMENCE PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST BUILDING PERMIT, THE VEGETATION BE MONITORED, AND THEN THAT FINAL ESTABLISHMENT AND CALLING FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES TO APPROVE OF THE PROJECT PERPETUAL MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT WILL BE FILED WITH THE CITY, AND THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER RETAINS ALL RESPONSIBILITIES OF THAT FEATURE. AND WITH THAT, I WILL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. CHRISTIE. WHEN THESE THESE PONDS WERE CREATED, WAS THAT PROPERTY IN INSIDE CITY LIMITS AT THAT TIME? DID IT FOLLOW OUR GUIDELINES? AT THAT TIME WHEN THOSE BECAUSE THIS IS A THESE ARE TWO DAMMED SORT OF SEMI STOCK PONDS AS IT WERE. CORRECT. BUT ON AN ACTIVE RIPARIAN CREEK. RIGHT. CORRECT.

AND THAT PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED IN 2021. THESE PONDS WERE CREATED SOMETIME WELL BEFORE THAT. THESE PONDS WERE. I JUST DIDN'T HEAR THAT CREATED PRIOR TO PRIOR TO THAT PRIOR TO 2021. SO THAT IS CORRECT. IT WAS IN THE ETJ AT THAT TIME. SO THEY WERE THEY FOLLOWED FOR SORT OF MORE FREE WHEELING ETJ REQUIREMENTS AT THAT TIME. AND THEN THE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO COMPLETELY GRADE THIS OVER AND THEN CREATE A, A COMPLETE NEW SYSTEM FROM SCRATCH. CORRECT. SO THERE WILL BE NO RETENTION OF, OF ANY OF THE, THE LOCAL ORGANISMS. THOSE WILL ALL BE REPLACED FROM ALTERNATIVE SOURCES. CORRECT. AND DO WE HAVE NOW THAT THIS IS IN OUR NOW THIS HAS BEEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. WHAT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MONITORING WATER QUALITY AND SEDIMENTATION QUALITY, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING ITS ADJACENCY TO THE GAS WELLS? IS IT US? IS IT THE OWNERS WHO'S WHO'S RESPONSIBLE? THE PONDS HIMSELF HAVE NOT BEEN INSPECTED OR. OR THERE'S NO REGULATORY AUTHORITY OVER THE PONDS AT THIS TIME. BUT NOT NOT THE PONDS, NOT THE CREEK, NOT THE TOWN, NOT ANYTHING DOWNSTREAM INTO THE SOUTHERN PARCEL OR ANYTHING. NONE OF THAT IS MEASURED OR ASSESSED FOR SEDIMENTATION OR WATER QUALITY OR AND WE WON'T KNOW STORMWATER FLOWS UNTIL THIS FINAL PARCEL IS, IS APPROVED FOR A FOR A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN. THE CURRENT STORMWATER FLOWS I'M SURE HAVE BEEN I'M SURE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE YOU MORE INFORMATION ON THAT STATUS AT THIS TIME. THE ENGINEER HAS BEEN WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES ON THE DESIGN AND ENGINEERING OF THE PROJECT. SO AFTER THIS THIS PROJECT, IF IT PASSES, THEN THEY WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT STEP. SO THEIR INTENT IS, IS TO APPLY PRETTY QUICKLY AFTER APPROVAL OF THIS FOR THE CIVIL ENGINEERING. SO I IMAGINE THAT THEY PROBABLY