[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding Audit Project 042 - Homelessness Response. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

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DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT AS A RESOURCE ON THIS ISSUE, HAS ALSO IDENTIFIED SEVEN BEHAVIORS THAT MAY BE LOCALLY BANNED BY COMMUNITIES FOR PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, REASONS THAT MAY IMPACT PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, INCLUDING CAMPING IN PUBLIC, SITTING AND LYING DOWN IN PUBLIC, SLEEPING IN PUBLIC, PANHANDLING OR SOLICITING, LOITERING, LOAFING OR VAGRANCY, LIVING IN VEHICLES, AND SHARING FOOD. IN GENERAL, THE CITY HAS NOT ENACTED LOCAL LAWS THAT MAY IMPACT PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, BUT DOES ENFORCE STATE LAWS THAT BAN CAMPING IN PUBLIC AND SOLICITING IN ROAD RAGE IN ROADWAYS AS REQUIRED.

STILL, THE CITY HAS ADOPTED THREE LOCAL LAWS THAT BAN AT LEAST ONE OF THESE BEHAVIORS, INCLUDING CAMPING IN A PUBLIC PARK, UNPERMITTED SOLICITING IN A STREET SHOULDER OR MEDIAN WITHOUT A PERMIT, AND USING A VEHICLE FOR LIVING. DURING FISCAL YEARS 2023 AND 2024, 377 CITATIONS WERE ISSUED BASED ON THESE LAWS, ACCOUNTING FOR ABOUT 1% OF CITATIONS SENT TO THE DENTON MUNICIPAL COURT. ABOUT A THIRD OF THESE WERE BASED ON LOCAL LAWS. ABOUT 30% OF INDIVIDUALS CITED UNDER ONE OF THESE LAWS DURING THE LAST TWO FISCAL YEARS WERE CITED MORE THAN ONCE, AND ABOUT 3% OF FINES ASSESSED FOR THESE CASES WERE COLLECTED. FURTHER, PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS MAY BE CITED FOR CRIMINAL TRESPASS, WHICH IS A STATE PENAL CODE VIOLATION THAT RESULTS IN A CLASS B MISDEMEANOR AND MUST BE PROCESSED BY A COUNTY COURT.

DURING FISCAL YEAR 2024, 387 POLICE DEPARTMENT CALLS FOR CRIMINAL TRESPASS WERE ABOUT 10% OF CRIMINAL TRESPASS CALLS RESULTED IN AN ARREST. THE CITY HAS DEVELOPED RESOURCES FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS THAT ARE JAILED OR CITED LOCALLY. SPECIFICALLY, CITY JAILERS MAY CONNECT PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS TO CITY CLINICIANS AND PROVIDE LAUNDERED OR NEW CLOTHING UPON REQUEST, AND SIGNAGE ABOUT SUBSTANCE USE AND POTENTIAL

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EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES IS VIEWABLE FROM JAIL CELLS. IN ADDITION, THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE HAS ESTABLISHED A LEGAL ADVOCACY PROGRAM IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DENTON COMMUNITY SHELTER, WHEREBY PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS CAN COMPLETE STEPS TOWARDS OBTAINING MORE STABLE HOUSING TO DEFER THE DISPOSITION OF LOW LEVEL CITATIONS. THESE LAWS IMPACT THE WAY THE CITY RESPONDS TO ENCAMPMENTS. IN PARTICULAR, ABOUT 73% OF RESIDENTS REPORTS TRACKED THROUGH THE CITY'S ENCAMPMENT PROCESS DURING FISCAL YEAR 2024 WERE BASED ON AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE BEHAVIORS. SPEAKING OF ENCAMPMENTS, PEOPLE EXPERIENCING UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS OFTEN CONGREGATE IN OUTDOOR ENCAMPMENTS FOR COMMUNITY AND AN INCREASED SENSE OF SECURITY.

HOWEVER, ENCAMPMENTS MAY NOT BE IN PLACES THAT ARE NOT SAFE, SUCH AS MEDIANS OR NEAR HIGHWAYS, OR IN SPACES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS HAZARDOUS WASTE SITES. FOR THESE REASONS, BEST PRACTICES RECOMMEND THAT A COMMUNITY USE THE FOLLOWING PRINCIPLES WHEN ADDRESSING ENCAMPMENTS. ONE. USE A COMMAND CENTER APPROACH TO COORDINATE ENCAMPMENT PLANNING AND RESPONSE. WHILE LAW ENFORCEMENT MAY NEED TO BE INVOLVED, THEY SHOULD NOT DRIVE THE PROCESS TO PROVIDE AMPLE VISIBLE PUBLIC NOTICE AND ONLY CLOSE ENCAMPMENTS. AFTER OUTREACH TEAMS HAVE HAD TIME TO ENGAGE WITH RESIDENTS ABOUT ASSISTANCE OPTIONS. THREE AVOID DESTROYING PERSONAL BELONGINGS WHEN CLOSING ENCAMPMENTS AND PROVIDE STORAGE FOR AN ADEQUATE PERIOD TO ALLOW PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COLLECT THEIR BELONGINGS. FOUR DO NOT CLOSE AN ENCAMPMENT UNLESS THERE IS ACCESS TO LOW BARRIER SHELTER OR HOUSING. AND FIVE SECURE LOCATIONS WITH PREVIOUS ENCAMPMENTS THAT ARE NOT SAFE TO ENSURE ENCAMPMENTS DON'T RETURN. WHILE THE CITY HAS ESTABLISHED GUIDELINES TO ADDRESS ENCAMPMENTS ON CITY PROPERTY, THESE ARE NOT CLEARLY FOLLOWED, AND AN ENCAMPMENT RESPONSE HAS AN AND ENCAMPMENT RESPONSE HAS GENERALLY BEEN REACTIVE. IN PARTICULAR, THERE WAS HISTORICALLY NO CENTRALIZED LIST OR COORDINATED MONITORING OF LARGE ENCAMPMENTS OR LOCATIONS OF INTEREST. INSTEAD, ENCAMPMENT TRACKING WAS PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON RESPONDING TO RESIDENT REPORTS. DESPITE STREET OUTREACH STAFF REGULARLY VISITING LARGE ENCAMPMENTS, SITE ASSESSMENTS WERE NOT DOCUMENTED, AND INITIAL REPORT INSPECTIONS WERE CONDUCTED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHICH MAY NOT HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE MOST EFFICIENT USE OF RESOURCES. FURTHER WRITTEN GUIDANCE FOR RESPONDING TO ENCAMPMENTS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY HAVE NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED. WHILE MOST LARGE ENCAMPMENTS APPEAR TO BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THERE ARE NO GUIDELINES FOR MONITORING SITE CONDITIONS, DETERMINING WHEN CLEANUP IS NEEDED OR INFORMING PROPERTY OWNERS. FURTHER, ONCE A PRIVATE PROPERTY ENCAMPMENT IS CLEARED, THE CITY'S CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION NOTIFIES THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT THEY ARE VIOLATING, VIOLATING THE CITY'S CODE DUE TO PERSONAL BELONGINGS LEFT BY ENCAMPMENT RESIDENTS.

WHILE STAFF REPORTED THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE FLEXIBLE WITH PROPERTY, OWNERS AROUND NEED REMEDIATION, TIMELINESS RESOURCES ARE GENERALLY NOT PROVIDED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO ASSIST WITH CLEANUP. FURTHER ENCAMPMENT CLEANING AND CLOSURE DECISIONS ARE NOT FORMALLY DOCUMENTED, AND THE TIME BETWEEN IDENTIFICATION, CLOSURE, AND CLEANING IS NOT TRACKED. IN ADDITION, ONLY THE COST TO CLEAN LARGE CITY PROPERTY ENCAMPMENTS IS TRACKED, DESPITE CITY STAFF BEING INVOLVED IN ALL PROCESSES HINDERING THE ABILITY TO EVALUATE TIMELINESS. FINALLY, CLEANUP NOTICES WERE HISTORICALLY ONLY PROVIDED IN ENGLISH, AND THE CITY HAS NOT PROVIDED STORAGE OPTIONS TO THOSE LIVING IN ENCAMPMENTS SCHEDULED FOR CLEANING. THESE PRACTICES INCREASE THE RISK THAT ENCAMPMENT RESIDENTS DO NOT RECEIVE NOTIFICATION OR MAY LOSE PERSONAL BELONGINGS, WHICH CAN BE ESPECIALLY DETRIMENTAL IF ITEMS LIKE PRESCRIPTIONS, IDENTIFICATION DOCUMENTS OR SHELTERS ARE DESTROYED BASED ON THEIR MANAGEMENT RESPONSE. CITY STAFF ARE WORKING TO DEVELOP NEEDED FORMAL PROCESSES TO ENCAMPMENT TRACKING AND DOCUMENTATION. NOTICES WILL BE PROVIDED IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH, AND STAFF WILL EXPLORE STORAGE OPTIONS. HOWEVER, OPERATIONAL CONCERNS MAY MEAN THAT PROVIDING STORAGE IS NOT FEASIBLE AT THIS TIME. NEXT, BASED ON THE 2024 POINT IN TIME COUNTY POINT IN TIME COUNT, AT LEAST A THIRD OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS SELF-REPORTED HAVING A SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS AND 15% SELF-REPORTED HAVING A SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER. THESE HEALTH ISSUES GENERALLY HINDER A PERSON EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. HOMELESSNESS ABILITY TO ACCESS MORE STABLE HOUSING AND INCREASE THEIR LIKELIHOOD OF EXPERIENCING NEGATIVE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS.

THE SUBSTANCE USE AND MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES ADMINISTRATION RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDS COMMUNITIES ESTABLISH A CRISIS CARE SYSTEM THAT INCLUDES A MOBILE CRISIS TEAM TO DECREASE THE LIKELIHOOD OF THESE NEGATIVE INTERACTIONS. MOBILE CRISIS TEAMS ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE COMMUNITY BASED INTERVENTION WHEREVER INDIVIDUALS ARE IN NEED, WITHOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT ACCOMPANIMENT, UNLESS SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE CIRCUMSTANCES WARRANT INCLUSION TO SUPPORT TRUE JUSTICE SYSTEM DIVERSION. THE CITY HAS CREATED A MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE FUNCTION, HISTORICALLY KNOWN AS THE CRITICAL INCIDENT RESPONSE TEAM OR CERT. HOWEVER, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES TO GUIDE THIS UNIT HAVE NOT BEEN DEVELOPED AND OUTCOMES WERE NOT REGULARLY REPORTED. IN ADDITION, HISTORIC DISPATCHING PRACTICES MEANT MOST MENTAL HEALTH CALLS FOR RESPONSE WERE RESPONDED TO BY PATROL OFFICERS, AND ALL MENTAL HEALTH CALLS FOR RESPONSE INCLUDED AT LEAST ONE, AT LEAST ONE OFFICER, INCLUDING A CERT OFFICER, CREATING A SITUATION WHERE

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PEOPLE EXPERIENCING A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS CAN NEVER BE DIVERTED FROM ENGAGING WITH THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. STILL, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT ABOUT 25% OF THESE CALLS FOR RESPONSE RESULTED IN A VOLUNTARY TRANSPORT TO A HEALTH SERVICE CENTER, AND ABOUT 16% WERE DE-ESCALATED BY REGULAR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OVER THE PHONE. WHILE THESE APPEAR TO BE POSITIVE OUTCOMES, IT IS NOT CLEAR THAT THIS IS ALWAYS AN EFFICIENT USE OF FINITE LAW ENFORCEMENT RESOURCES. FURTHER, CERT APPEARS TO PRIMARILY BE PERFORMING FOLLOW UP CALLS AFTER A PERSON HAS EXPERIENCED A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. WHILE THIS PRACTICE ALIGNS WITH BEST WITH BEST PRACTICES, A SYSTEM FOR DETERMINING IF A FOLLOW UP CALL IS NEEDED, WHAT INFORMATION SHOULD BE GATHERED, AND ENSURING CONTACTS ARE FOLLOWED UP ON HAS NOT BEEN CLEARLY DEVELOPED. IN ADDITION, BASED ON A REVIEW OF THE CERT FOLLOW UP CALLS, ABOUT A THIRD WERE NOT CONDUCTED IN PERSON, BUT DID INCLUDE A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ON THE CALL, WHICH SEEMS TO BE AN INEFFICIENT USE OF FINITE LAW ENFORCEMENT RESOURCES BASED ON THEIR MANAGEMENT RESPONSE. PD WILL EXPLORE WAYS TO MINIMIZE THE INVOLVEMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. OFFICERS FOR MENTAL HEALTH CALLS TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. WHILE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID DISAGREE WITH PROVIDING GUIDANCE TO DISPATCHERS ON ASSESSING MENTAL HEALTH CALL RISK LEVELS, THE PROTOCOLS THAT THEY INDICATED THEY ARE USING SHOULD PROVIDE OPTIONS FOR THIS. BASED ON RECENT UPDATES, IF THEY'RE USED APPROPRIATELY. NEXT STREET OUTREACH. ACCORDING TO THE U.S. INTERAGENCY COUNCIL ON HOMELESSNESS, STREET OUTREACH IS A PROCESS BY WHICH PEOPLE LIVING IN UNSHELTERED LOCATIONS ARE ENGAGED WHERE THEY ARE TO ENSURE THEIR BASIC NEEDS ARE MET WHILE SUPPORTING THEM TOWARDS HOUSING STABILITY. THE GOAL OF STREET OUTREACH, ACCORDING TO THE COUNCIL, IS TO MAKE CONNECTIONS TO STABLE HOUSING WITH TAILORED SERVICES AND SUPPORTS FOR EACH PERSON. TO DO THIS, THE COUNCIL GENERALLY RECOMMENDED THAT COMMUNITY STREET OUTREACH EFFORTS BE HOUSING FIRST, PERSONAL, PERSON CENTERED, AND COORDINATED. THE CITY HAS FUNDED TWO STREET OUTREACH FUNCTIONS A MULTI-DISCIPLINED HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM, OR HOT, CONSISTING OF TWO POLICE OFFICERS, A PARAMEDIC, AND A CLINICIAN MANAGED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND ONE AND A HALF CONTRACTED STREET OUTREACH WORKERS EMPLOYED BY A NONPROFIT. HISTORICALLY, THESE TWO PROGRAMS HAVE NOT BEEN COORDINATED TO ENSURE EFFICIENT USE OF RESOURCES. SPECIFICALLY, WHILE PERIODIC MEETINGS HAVE OCCURRED BETWEEN HOT THE STREET OUTREACH CONTRACTOR AND THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT. IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT THESE MEETINGS INCLUDED CASE CONFERENCING OR OTHER DATA SHARING ACTIVITIES. IN ADDITION, WHILE THE STREET OUTREACH CONTRACTOR IS GENERALLY MEETING ITS CONTRACTED HOUSING OUTCOME GOALS, HOT DOES NOT APPEAR TO EFFECTIVELY CONNECT PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WITH HOUSING SOLUTIONS. THIS APPEARS TO BE, AT LEAST IN PART, BECAUSE POLICE OFFICERS ARE NOT WELL POSITIONED TO PERFORM STREET OUTREACH DUE TO A LACK OF APPROPRIATE RESOURCES AND JOB DUTY CONFLICTS. SPECIFICALLY, POLICE OFFICERS DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO PERFORM COORDINATED ENTRY ASSESSMENTS OR TRAINING ON IDENTIFYING AND APPLYING FOR APPROPRIATE HOUSING RESOURCES. IN ADDITION, POLICE RESPONSE SYSTEMS ARE GENERALLY NOT CREATED TO SUPPORT ONGOING CASE MANAGEMENT OF A PERSON OR HOUSEHOLD, AND THE CITY HAS NOT DEDICATED FINANCIAL RESOURCES FOR HOT TO USE IN ASSISTING INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. LASTLY, ASSIGNING STREET OUTREACH DUTIES TO POLICE OFFICERS CREATES CONFLICT WITH THEIR LAW ENFORCEMENT JOB DUTIES. BECAUSE INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS ARE OFTEN VIOLATING A LAW IMPACTING AN OFFICER'S ABILITY TO USE PERSON CENTERED PRACTICES AND INCREASING THE POTENTIAL FOR ADVERSARIAL RELATIONSHIPS AND NEGATIVE INTERACTIONS. FOR THESE REASONS, THE CITY SHOULD CONSIDER HOW RESOURCES. HOT RESOURCES MAY BE BEST ALLOCATED TO PROMOTE STREET OUTREACH GOALS OR CLARIFY THE PURPOSE OF THE OUTREACH UNIT AS IT'S NOW KNOWN.

FINALLY, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE STREET OUTREACH CONTRACTOR IS GENERALLY MEETING THEIR CONTRACTED HOUSING OUTCOME GOALS AS SHOWN ON THE SLIDE. HOWEVER, MANY OF THE CONTRACTORS HOUSING PLACEMENTS RELY ON FEDERAL FUNDING THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN PROVIDING THAT WILL END BY 2026. FOR THIS REASON, THE CITY SHOULD ASSIST THE CONTRACTOR TO IDENTIFY NEW FUNDING SOURCES SO THIS WORK MAY CONTINUE BASED ON THEIR MANAGEMENT RESPONSE. STAFF PLANS TO DEVELOP A MORE COORDINATED PROCESS, INCLUDING AN INCLEMENT WEATHER PROCEDURE WITH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL PARTNERS. AND IN ADDITION, HOT RESOURCE ALLOCATION IS BEING EVALUATED.

LASTLY, THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT ENCOURAGES EMERGENCY SHELTERS FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS TO USE HOUSING FIRST AND LOW BARRIER APPROACHES TO ENSURE AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE RECEIVE ASSISTANCE ACCESSING STABLE HOUSING. IN GENERAL, THE PREMISE BEHIND A HOUSING FIRST APPROACH IS THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTIVELY EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS CANNOT FULLY ADDRESS OTHER FINANCIAL OR HEALTH ISSUES THAT THEY MAY EXPERIENCE BECAUSE THEY ARE IN SUCH AN UNSTABLE ENVIRONMENT. FURTHER, THE PREMISE BEHIND LOW BARRIER APPROACHES IS THAT ASSISTANCE PROVIDERS SHOULD NOT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT A PERSON'S DESIRE OR ABILITY TO SUCCEED IN A MORE STABLE HOUSING SOLUTION BASED ON THEIR PREVIOUS HISTORY. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN EMERGENCY SHELTERS, LIKE THE DENTON COMMUNITY SHELTER, ARE CONSIDERED LITERALLY HOMELESS, PER THE PER HUD. SO WHILE AN

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EMERGENCY SHELTER IS A MORE STABLE HOUSING SOLUTION THAN LIVING UNSHELTERED, A PERSON IS NOT CONSIDERED TO HAVE EXITED HOMELESSNESS UNLESS THEY ARE CONNECTED WITH A DIFFERENT HOUSING, A DIFFERENT SOLUTION, SUCH AS PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THE CITY HAS EXECUTED A CONTRACT WITH A NONPROFIT PROVIDER TO OPERATE THE DENTON COMMUNITY SHELTER THAT TOOK EFFECT IN DECEMBER 2022. THIS CONTRACT GENERALLY ALIGNS WITH BEST PRACTICES BY REQUIRING THE COMMUNITY SHELTER CONTRACTOR TO USE LOW BARRIER AND HOUSING FIRST APPROACHES, INCLUDING STAYING OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE 24 OVER SEVEN, NOT REQUIRING SOBRIETY, GIVING GUESTS THE CHOICE TO DISPOSE OF DRUGS OR ALCOHOL IF FOUND ON THE PREMISES OR LEAVE. NOT DENYING OR TERMINATING ACCESS BASED ON CRIMINAL OR MENTAL HISTORY, MENTAL STATUS, HISTORY, AND HAVING CLEAR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES REGARDING BEHAVIORS OR SHELTER BEHAVIORS OR VIOLATIONS OF RULES THAT WILL RESULT IN A CRIMINAL TRESPASS.

WARNING. PER THE AGREEMENT, THE SHELTER CONTRACT MUST PROVIDE THREE TYPES OF SERVICES. ONE DAY SHELTER, WHICH PROVIDES FOOD, SHOWERS, LAUNDRY, STORAGE, CARE COORDINATION, AND HOUSING PLACEMENT SERVICES TO 120 EMERGENCY SHELTER BEDS AND A CONGREGATE SLEEPING ARRANGEMENT WITH 12 PEOPLE SHARING ONE ROOM AND 332 ENHANCED SHELTER BEDS IN A DORM STYLE SLEEPING ARRANGEMENT, WITH TWO PEOPLE SHARING ONE ROOM. HOWEVER, BASED ON OBSERVATIONS DURING THE AUDIT PERIOD, THE SHELTER CONTRACTOR NO LONGER OFFERS ENHANCED SHELTER AS DEFINED IN THE CONTRACT, AND INSTEAD HAS ADDED BUNK BEDS AND TO ENHANCE SHELTER ROOMS. ACCORDING TO THE CONTRACTED STAFF, THIS CHANGE WAS MADE TO INCREASE CAPACITY. HOWEVER, THIS CHANGE DOES NOT NECESSARILY FACILITATE HOUSING PLACEMENT FOR GUESTS AND MAY HAVE REDUCED CAPACITY FOR PEOPLE WITH ADDITIONAL SUPPORT NEEDS LIKE PHYSICAL DISABILITIES OR THOSE FLEEING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

FURTHER, THE COMMUNITY SHELTER HAS NOT ADOPTED HOUSING FIRST PRACTICES FOR ALL GUESTS.

SPECIFICALLY, WHILE ALL NEW SHELTER GUESTS ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE A COORDINATED ENTRY ASSESSMENT WHICH PLACES THEM ON THE HOUSING PRIORITY LIST, WE FOUND THAT ABOUT 25% OF GUESTS ENROLLED IN THE EMERGENCY SHELTER DID NOT HAVE A COMPLETED COORDINATED ENTRY ASSESSMENT.

FURTHER, THE SHELTER CONTRACTOR USES A LOTTERY SYSTEM TO ASSIGN GUEST BEDS ONE WEEK AT A TIME.

THIS SYSTEM DOES NOT PRIORITIZE GUESTS ACCESS TO THE SHELTER BASED ON HEALTH OR SAFETY RISKS, AND INSTEAD NECESSARILY EXITS INDIVIDUALS BACK INTO LITERAL HOMELESSNESS BASED ON LUCK.

SPECIFICALLY, 88% OF GUESTS WHO RECEIVED OVERNIGHT SHELTER WERE EXITED BACK INTO HOMELESSNESS, AS SHOWN IN THE FIGURE ON THE SLIDE. IN ADDITION, GUESTS WHO ARE ENROLLED IN ENHANCED SHELTER ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ENTER THE LOTTERY AND ARE INSTEAD MOVED TO ENHANCE SHELTER WHEN A BED BECOMES READY OR BECOMES AVAILABLE, AND WHEN THEY ARE READY. THERE IS NO WRITTEN APPLICATION PROCESS OR CRITERIA FOR DETERMINING WHEN A GUEST IS READY TO RECEIVE ENHANCED SHELTER SERVICES, INCREASING THE RISK THAT GUESTS ARE TREATED INEQUITABLY OR INCONSISTENTLY.

IN ADDITION, GUESTS DO NOT RECEIVE DEDICATED CASE MANAGEMENT SUPPORT UNLESS THEY ARE ENROLLED IN ENHANCED SHELTER, MEANING THAT ONLY ABOUT 11% OF OVERNIGHT SHELTER GUESTS HAD A HOUSING PLACEMENT PLAN, WHICH TOOK AN AVERAGE OF 150 DAYS TO RECEIVE AFTER ENTERING EMERGENCY SHELTER AND 47 DAYS TO RECEIVE AFTER ENTERING ENHANCED SHELTER. IN ADDITION, WE FOUND THAT THE SHELTER CONTRACTORS LENGTH OF STAY DATA IS NOT RELIABLE DUE TO HISTORIC DATA ENTRY PRACTICES. IN PARTICULAR, ABOUT A THIRD OF OVERNIGHT GUESTS FROM FISCAL YEAR 2024 APPEARED TO HAVE LENGTHS OF STAY AT LEAST ONE MONTH LONGER THAN THEY ACTUALLY ACCESS SERVICES.

SOME OF THESE ISSUES ARE DUE TO NOT HAVING ENOUGH DEDICATED CASE MANAGEMENT STAFF TO SUPPORT ALL SHELTER GUESTS, BASED ON THEIR MANAGEMENT RESPONSE. CITY STAFF IS PLANNING TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY SHELTER CONTRACTOR TO DEVELOP A PRIORITIZATION PROCESS FOR GUESTS AND TO ENSURE DEDICATED CASE MANAGERS ARE AVAILABLE FOR ALL GUESTS, ALL OVERNIGHT GUESTS. IN ADDITION, STAFF IS PLANNING TO PROPOSE CHANGES TO THE CONTRACT TO HELP WITH ACCURATE REPORTING.

FINALLY, THE SHELTER CONTRACTOR HAS GENERALLY LIMITED LOW BARRIER, HAS GENERALLY IMPLEMENTED LOW BARRIER PRACTICES TO ENTER THE SHELTER, INCLUDING NO INCOME REQUIREMENTS, NO DRUG OR ALCOHOL TESTING, NO CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS, AND THERE'S NO REQUIRED PROGRAM PARTICIPATION. HOWEVER, THE SHELTER IS NOT ACCESSIBLE 24 OVER SEVEN EVEN FOR GUESTS WHO ARE ASSIGNED A BED, AND GUESTS MUST SUBMIT TO AN EXTENSIVE PHYSICAL SCREENING PROCESS BEFORE ENTRY. IN ADDITION, THE SHELTER CONTRACTOR PROVIDES A WELCOME PACKET TO ALL GUESTS UPON ENTRY THAT INCLUDES AT LEAST 18 EXPECTATIONS AND 13 ANNOUNCEMENTS, AS WELL AS POLICIES ON SUBSTANCE USE, WEAPONS STORAGE, AND PETS AS REQUIRED BY THE CONTRACT. THERE IS A CLEAR POLICY AND PROCEDURE REGARDING VIOLATIONS OF RULES THAT RESULTS IN THE REMOVAL FROM THE COMMUNITY SHELTER, KNOWN AS THE PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE CHART. HOWEVER, THIS CHART MAY RESULT IN MORE PEOPLE BEING BARRED FROM ACCESSING SERVICES THAN NECESSARY. IN PARTICULAR, ABOUT A QUARTER OF INCIDENTS RESULTED IN A LONGER SUSPENSION THAN WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE BEEN IMPOSED. DUE TO THE PROGRESSIVE NATURE OF THE CONTRACTOR'S PUNISHMENT SYSTEM. ADDITIONALLY, ALMOST A THIRD OF PUNISHMENTS WERE ISSUED AFTER A PERSON BROKE A RULE THAT WAS NOT CLEARLY OUTLINED IN THE WELCOME PACKET. AND IT IS NOT ALWAYS CLEAR THAT A SUSPENSION IS BASED ON BEHAVIOR THAT CAUSES A SAFETY RISK. BASED ON AUDITOR REVIEW OF RELATED INCIDENT REPORTS, SPECIFICALLY, OVER HALF OF PEOPLE WERE EXPELLED BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO LEAVE THE

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PROPERTY, GENERALLY AFTER BEING APPROACHED BY STAFF. AFTER SOME OTHER LESS SERIOUS ISSUE OCCURRED. THIS IS ILLUSTRATED BY THE RELATIVELY HIGHER NUMBER OF CRIMINAL TRESPASSES ISSUED FOR LOWER RISK BEHAVIOR. PUNISHMENT DECISIONS ARE ENTIRELY MADE BY SECURITY STAFF AND ARE NOT REVIEWED BY OR DISCUSSED WITH THE CASE MANAGER OR OTHER ASSISTANCE PROVIDER FOR APPROPRIATENESS. IN ADDITION, THE PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE CHART STATES EACH QUARTER THAT EACH QUARTER EXPULSIONS, INCLUDING CRIMINAL TRESPASSES, SHOULD BE REVIEWED TO DETERMINE IF THEY SHOULD BE LIFTED BASED ON A REVIEW OF THE COMMUNITY SHELTER CONTRACTORS EXPULSION AND SUSPENSION SPREADSHEET. ONLY ONE QUARTERLY REVIEW OCCURRED IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF FISCAL YEAR 2024. IN ADDITION, WHILE THE COMMUNITY SHELTER CONTRACTOR STATED THEY HAD CONTACTED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO LIFT CRIMINAL SUSPENSION, CRIMINAL TRESPASSING. HISTORICALLY, POLICE DEPARTMENT RECORDS DO NOT INDICATE THAT ANY CRIMINAL TRESPASSES HAVE EVER BEEN LIFTED FROM THE COMMUNITY SHELTER. AND THEN FINALLY, BASED ON A REVIEW OF ALL DOCUMENTED EXPULSIONS, FIVE INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN EXPELLED FROM THE SHELTER BASED ON THE VIOLATION. BOARD ISSUED.

SLASH APPROVED. NO BEHAVIORAL EXPLANATION WAS DOCUMENTED FOR THESE EXPULSIONS. FINALLY, WHILE THE COMMUNITY SHELTER CONTRACTOR HAS DESIGNED A SYSTEM TO ACCEPT GUEST FEEDBACK AS REQUIRED BY CONTRACT, CITY STAFF HAS NOT PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED TO REVIEW THIS INFORMATION AS ALLOWED BY CONTRACT. IN ADDITION, GUESTS ARE REQUIRED TO REQUEST A GRIEVANCE FORM FROM COMMUNITY SHELTER CONTRACTOR STAFF, WHICH MAY DISCOURAGE INDIVIDUALS FROM SUBMITTING GRIEVANCES BASED ON THEIR MANAGEMENT RESPONSE. RESPONSE. COMMUNITY SERVICES STAFF PLAN TO WORK WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO ESTABLISH CLEAR GUIDELINES FOR GUEST STAYS AND SUSPENSIONS AND EXPULSIONS, AND WILL BEGIN REVIEWING GUEST FEEDBACK. IN SUMMARY, WE ISSUED 19 RECOMMENDATIONS, 15 OF WHICH THE DEPARTMENT AGREED, THREE WERE PARTIALLY AGREED AND ONE WAS DISAGREED. BASED ON THESE RESPONSES, WE BELIEVE THE IDENTIFIED RISKS WILL BE APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED AND PLAN TO PERFORM A FORMAL FOLLOW UP REVIEW IN FISCAL YEAR 2027, UNLESS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT US TO PERFORM ONE SOONER. AND I WILL STAND FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. WELL, FIRST I WANT TO KNOW I KNOW THIS IS FIRST OF TWO WORK SESSIONS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ON THIS. IS THIS THE ONLY TIME WE'RE HAVING THESE PRESENTATIONS? THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE OF MEETINGS TO DISCUSS. OR CAN CAN I JUST KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT IS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED TODAY? I THINK IS THE FIRST QUESTION I'D LIKE ANSWERED PLEASE. THAT IS NOT A QUESTION FOR ME. SORRY. I'M JUST WANTING TO KNOW. YEAH. HOW WE GO. GOOD MORNING. IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION, WE WILL BE PROVIDING OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND SEEKING DIRECTION ON THOSE IMPLEMENTATIONS. THEN WE PLAN TO FOLLOW UP QUARTERLY, IF NOT MORE FREQUENT, ON THE STATUS OF THAT, INCLUDING TIMELINES, OBJECTIVES, ON HOW ANY IMPLEMENTATIONS THAT WE RECEIVE DIRECTION ON. SO THERE WILL AT THIS TIME THERE'S NOT ANOTHER WORK SESSION PLAN. WE'RE SEEKING DIRECTION TODAY, BUT WILL BE PROVIDING UPDATES ON TIMELINE, PROGRESS AND IMPLEMENTATION. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. SO I GUESS ONE OF MY FIRST QUESTIONS IS SOME A LOT OF THE AUDIT OBVIOUSLY HAS TO DO WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CONTRACT THAT WAS ENTERED INTO BETWEEN THE CITY AND OUR DAILY BREAD. IT WAS THAT THE BASIS OR AS FAR AS SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS, AS FAR AS WHAT IS BEING DONE CURRENTLY AS LOW BARRIER VERSUS NOT LOW BARRIER. IS THAT WHERE IT CAME FROM, THE CONTRACT, OR WERE THERE OTHER SOURCES FOR THESE RECOMMENDATIONS? YEAH. SO THE CONTRACT INCLUDES REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CONTRACT SHELTER OPERATOR TO OPERATE WITH LOW BARRIER AND HOUSING FIRST APPROACHES. SOME OF THOSE ARE NOT NECESSARILY LISTED OUT IN DETAIL OF WHAT THAT MEANS. SO WE DID DO RESEARCH BASED ON HUD GUIDANCE AROUND WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE TO EVALUATE OPERATIONS OKAY. AND I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO KNOW THIS OFF THE TOP. BUT THERE WERE, I KNOW, INSTANCES WHERE IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT MORE RESOURCES BE DEPLOYED OR FOUND. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A LIST OF THOSE AREAS AS I WENT THROUGH. OF COURSE, WE'RE GOING TO COME UP ON A DIFFICULT BUDGET. I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE CUTTING SERVICES, NOT ADDING SERVICES. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE CONTRACT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE CHANGED CONSIDERING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE, AS WELL AS TRYING TO IMPLEMENT BEST PRACTICES. I THINK THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN PROVIDE IN AN EMAIL A LIST OF LIKE WHERE THERE MIGHT BE BUDGET SHORTFALLS ESSENTIALLY DUE TO FEDERAL FUNDING BEING CUT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. FIRST I WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE IT IS REALLY THOROUGH DETAILED

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AUDIT. I APPRECIATE YOU IN THE CITY GOING THROUGH ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. I'M SURE SOME OF THEM ARE COMPLICATED AND HARD TO ASSESS RECOMMENDATIONS ON BECAUSE IT'S JUST COMPLICATED, I GET THAT. AND SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A LOT OF THE MAJOR CHALLENGES WERE COORDINATION OF EFFORTS, DOCUMENTATION OF EFFORTS AND TRACKING OF EFFORTS. IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? YES. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT. THERE WASN'T MUCH OF IN THE AUDIT, AND SO A BUNCH OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS WILL GENERALLY COVER THIS IDEA OF WHAT ARE THE LONG TERM COSTS AND IMPACTS TO SERVICES VERSUS, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN BEHAVIORS THAT WE'RE DOING NOW VERSUS, SAY, MORE DIVERSIONARY BEHAVIORS. SO, SO WHAT ARE RESPONSIVE BEHAVIORS TO CRISES NOW AND THEIR COSTS. WHAT ARE THE DIVERSIONARY BEHAVIORS IN THEIR RESPONSES OVER A MORE LONG TERM. AND THEN THE EFFECT OF THIS OVERALL OF THOSE. AND SO OR IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING IMPACTS. AND SO I DIDN'T NOTICE MUCH. DO WE HAVE THAT DATA AVAILABLE TO US ON COSTS AND PARTICULARLY COSTS PER GUEST OR COST PER EMPLOYEE OR THAT SORT OF THING. SO WE CAN GET A SORT OF PER CAPITA VIEW ON THINGS? YEAH. SO I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER LOCALITIES BASICALLY THAT HAVE DONE RESEARCH BASICALLY ON THAT ISSUE. I THINK IT WOULD BE HAVE TO BE MORE OF A LONGITUDINAL STUDY. LIKE YOU SAID, SOME OF THIS IS LIKE DECREASES IN COST LONG TERM. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THAT CURRENTLY WITH ANY CERTAINTY, BUT WE COULD SET UP A PROCESS OR A PROJECT TO LOOK AT, LIKE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OR AS PART OF THE FOLLOW UP. WE COULD TRY TO LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. NO, I MEAN, YEAH, I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED IN THAT. I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS IS, IS THERE ANY IS THERE ANY DATA THAT WE HAVE OVER OUR CURRENT BEHAVIOR THAT WILL ADDRESS ANY OF THAT? THAT COMBINATION OF YOU AND OTHER STAFF MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET TO US IN FUTURE WORK SESSIONS AND REPORTING AND STAFF REPORTS THAT WE MIGHT GET. I MEAN, WE COULD TELL YOU WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW COSTS, IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. BUT I COULDN'T FORECAST HOW CHANGES IN THE BEHAVIOR WOULD NECESSARILY IMPACT. THAT'S TOTALLY FAIR. TOTALLY FAIR. SO PART OF THE REASON I ASKED THAT IS IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION WERE SOME SOME SUGGESTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DISPATCH BEHAVIOR FOR REORGANIZATION OF OUR SOCIAL SERVICES AND MENTAL HEALTH SERVICE PROVIDERS AND SOME OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, POLICE, EMS RESPONDERS. AND THE DIFFERENTIAL IMPACTS OF THAT. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S SORT OF WHY I'M ASKING THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO LONG RANGE. WELL THE CITY MANAGER HAS TO DO THE LONG RANGE PLANNING. BUT WE'RE WE'RE APPROVING OR NOT OR ESTABLISHING POLICY ON THAT. SO BECOMES CHALLENGING TO KNOW WHAT THOSE RATIOS ARE WITHOUT THE RELATIVE COSTS OF EVERYTHING. THEN. FOR DO WE HAV YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS. I THOUGHT I HEARD AT ONE POINT SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT THE BULK OF POLICE RECEIVE SOME LEVEL OF CERT STYLE TRAINING. NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME OFFICERS WHO RECEIVE CERT TRAINING WHO ARE NOT NECESSARILY ON WEREN'T ON ON THE CERT TEAM, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ALL ALL POLICE OFFICERS EFFECTIVE A MONTH OR TWO AGO ARE GOING TO RECEIVE CERT TRAINING. THAT'S PER ME AND THE CHIEF. SO ARE GOING GOING TO LIKE PROSPECTIVELY. THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT NOW. CHIEF WILLENBROCK IS HERE. BUT THAT IS A DIRECTIVE THAT WE PASSED ON. EVERY OFFICER SHOULD BE TRAINED. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE? YES. THE ANSWER IS ALL. ALL POLICE OFFICERS RECEIVE A LEVEL OF CERT TRAINING THAT STARTS IN BASIC ACADEMY AND CONTINUES ON PAST THAT, WE HAVE RIGHT NOW 13 OFFICERS THAT ARE IN PATROL, ASIDE FROM THE ONES THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THE OUTREACH UNIT.

THE SIX THAT ARE THERE THAT HAVE RECEIVED ENHANCED CRISIS INTERVENTION TRAINING SO THEY CAN INTERACT. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT RESPOND TO MOST OF OUR MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS CALLS TO

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HELP DE-ESCALATE AND MITIGATE THOSE SITUATIONS. SO THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL SEGUE TO MY SORT OF NEXT QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT WHAT THE RATIO OF RESPONSE CALLS. A LOT OF THEM WILL BE BURGLARY OR THIS OR THAT, BUT MANY OF THEM WILL BE MENTAL HEALTH RELATED. AND SOME OF THOSE WILL BE UNHOUSED. AND SOME OF THE UNHOUSED CALLS WILL BE NOT MENTAL HEALTH RELATED. SO DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT WE'LL NEED TO DO IN DISPATCH IN ORDER TO GUIDE THOSE RATIOS TO THE RIGHT POPULATIONS? WELL EMPLOYEE POPULATION. OKAY. SO SPEAKING OF THE DISPATCH QUESTION, THE ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS THAT WE. INCLUDE SOME KIND OF SYSTEM FOR TRIAGING, SO TO SPEAK, ON A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS CALL. THE DISPATCHERS ARE TRAINED IN AN INTERNATIONAL STANDARD FOR EMERGENCY DISPATCH IS WHAT. AND THOSE ARE THE STANDARDS THAT FOLLOW. SO YEAH, THEY HAVE SOME SOME SYSTEM FOR DIVERTING THOSE CALLS TO MENTAL HEALTH TO A MENTAL HEALTH SOLUTION, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL. BUT YEAH, CERTAINLY SOME OF OUR CALLS RELATED TO HOMELESSNESS ARE ALSO CALLS RELATED TO MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. AND ONE LITTLE STATEMENT OF CONTEXT. THE REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION IS IF WE DECIDE IN THE LONG RUN THAT SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE HYPOTHETICAL THAT SOCIAL SERVICES ARE CHEAPER AND MORE DIVERSIONARY AND LESS COSTLY, AND WE SHOULD HAVE A HIGHER RATIO OF THAT TYPE OF EMPLOYEE RATHER THAN THAN OTHER TYPES OF EMPLOYEES THAT DO MORE CRISIS RESPONSE. WE KIND OF NEED TO KNOW THOSE NUMBERS AND THOSE RATIOS. AND IN TERMS OF WHAT KIND OF IMPACTS WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE CURRENTLY AND IN THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF DIVERSION. THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT KIND OF QUESTION, AND I HAVE ONE FOR MADISON ABOUT THE SHELTER. THANK YOU CHIEF. JUST BEFORE. YEAH. GO AHEAD. I BELIEVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT JUST STARTED CODING CALLS AS KNOW WITH THE NEW CODE, BASICALLY TO TRY TO START TRACKING A LITTLE BETTER. WAS THIS CALL? NO MATTER WHAT TYPE OF CALL IT WAS, WAS THERE A PERSON EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS INVOLVED? SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HELP IN THE FUTURE. IS THAT CORRECT, CHIEF? YEAH. OKAY, SO A SIMILAR QUESTION FOR THE SHELTER. DO WE HAVE AND I THINK YOU SAID IN THE BACKUP THAT THERE WAS THE RECOMMENDED BEST PRACTICE WAS SOMETHING AROUND 17 CASEWORKERS PER GUEST OR SORRY 17 GUESTS PER CASEWORKER KIND OF NUMBERS 10 TO 20. 10 TO 20 OKAY. AND THEN DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR THE OTHER SORT OF STAFFING RATIOS OF OTHER KINDS? I MEAN, CASEWORKERS, ONLY ONE TYPE OF SHELTER EMPLOYEE. DO WE HAVE A ANY ANY BEST PRACTICES FOR OTHER RATIOS? I DID NOT LOOK INTO THAT AS PART OF THE AUDIT, BUT I CAN LOOK AND DO THAT RESEARCH IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I'D BE INTERESTED. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF COUNCIL, BUT I'D BE INTERESTED BECAUSE IT GOES TO GIVING GUIDANCE TO WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN A CONTRACT. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I, I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY TOO HARD AND COMPLICATED A QUESTION TO COME UP WITH A FACILE ANSWER. BUT ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU WERE MAKING WAS TO ALIGN. TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR SERVICE PROVISION, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE LOW BARRIER, ALIGNS WITH LOW BARRIER AND THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE.

AND I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION MAYBE FOR THE SECOND SEGMENT. SO I WON'T GO INTO THAT TOO MUCH.

BUT DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT THE, THE COSTS AND SERVICE CALLS ARE TO RUN SOMEONE THROUGH A CT PROCESS VERSUS THE, THE COSTS AND. TO THAT ARE THE DEMANDS ON DISRUPTION OF SERVICES AT THE SHELTER. I KNOW IT'S A REALLY HARD QUESTION. COMPLICATED MULTIVECTOR. SO IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN THE SHELTER, I'LL TRY TO SIMPLIFY IT A LITTLE BIT. IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE SHELTER THAT'S DISRUPTIVE, IS IT CHEAPER AND LESS IMPACT TO HAVE THEM IN THE SHELTER, OR IS IT CHEAPER AND LESS IMPACT TO REMOVE THEM FROM THE SHELTER? IN TERMS OF THE SERVICE PROVISION IN EITHER CASE? I THINK THAT THAT IS A REALLY DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE THERE'S A SPECTRUM OF WHAT IS CONSIDERED DISRUPTIVE. AND SO THAT WOULD I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO QUANTIFY THAT PREAMBLE THAT IT'S A REALLY HARD QUESTION TO ANSWER. BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE AN INDICATION OF WHAT THE JUDICIAL COSTS ARE, WHAT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COSTS ARE, WHAT TO RUN SOMEONE THROUGH CT AND, AND THEN VERSUS HOW MUCH IS

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DISRUPTING US TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE THAT KIND OF DATA. I'D BE INTERESTED IN IF I'M SEEING THAT COME TO IN SOME SORT OF REPORT TO COUNCIL. I APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S MY QUESTIONS, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND, MADISON, I GUESS I'LL NEED YOU TO FOLLOW UP WITH ANYTHING THAT YOU NOTED THERE AND THROUGHOUT THIS WORK SESSION SO THAT WE CAN THEN COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THAT AS FAR AS YOU'LL NEED MAJORITY SUPPORT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE AND WHAT IT WILL TAKE AWAY FROM FROM YOUR YOUR CALCULATIONS AS FAR AS YOUR HOURS. SO I, I WOULD JUST WHATEVER YOUR NOTES ARE MAY COME BACK A LIST OF STUFF THAT'S BEING SAID SO WE CAN GO THROUGH IT AT THE END. OR I CAN SEND AN EMAIL TO Y'ALL OR YEAH, THINK AN EMAIL IS EASIEST AND THEN MAYBE WE'LL WE'LL SET ANOTHER WORK SESSION OR SOMETHING. TO THEN SEE IF THERE'S MAJORITY SUPPORT TO MOVE FORWARD. AND BECAUSE YOU'LL NEED TO REVIEW YOUR HOURS AND WHAT THAT TAKES AWAY FROM.

SO WE CAN FAIRLY EVALUATE THAT REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. THANK YOU. YOU MAY HAVE COVERED THIS AND I AND I MISSED IT. DOES THIS DEAL WITH THE INCLEMENT WEATHER POLICY AT ALL? VERY BRIEFLY. THE INCLEMENT WEATHER POLICY EXISTS. WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS NOT NECESSARILY A COORDINATED PROCEDURE FOR ALL OF OUR PROVIDERS TO GO AND BASICALLY INFORM PEOPLE IF INCLEMENT WEATHER IS OCCURRING AND TO TRY TO DIRECT THEM TO THE TO THE SHELTER. OKAY. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? WELL, SORT OF TO PUT A FINER POINT ON THAT, DOES THE INCLEMENT WEATHER POLICY NEED TO BE MODIFIED EITHER EITHER TO INCLUDE WIND CHILL. INSTEAD OF 32 DEGREES AT A TEMPERATURE HIGHER THAN THAT? OR OR ON THE OTHER END, A, YOU KNOW, A HEAT A HEAT PROBLEM DEALING WITH HEAT INDEX OR AND OR TEMPERATURE. YEAH, I LOOKED VERY AND I'LL LET CHRISTINE I LOOKED VERY BRIEFLY FOR ANY BEST PRACTICES ON AN INCLEMENT WEATHER POLICY AND DID NOT WAS NOT ABLE TO FIND ONE EASILY. SO I DID NOT REVIEW THE POLICY. AND ACCORDING TO ANY GUIDELINES LIKE THAT, BECAUSE I COULDN'T FIND ANY. BUT THERE SHOULD BE PROCEDURES FOR WHAT DO WE DO IF INCLEMENT WEATHER OCCURS AND THAT DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST. I'LL LET CHRISTINE ADDRESS MAYBE YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BETTER. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. THE CITY DOES HAVE AN INCLEMENT WEATHER POLICY THAT WAS LAST VISITED BY COUNCIL IN 2021. WE DID PLAN TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AS PART OF OUR CONVERSATION TODAY, BUT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING IT DUE TO THE COMPLEXITY AND LENGTH OF TIME. SO WE HAVE IT SCHEDULED ON SEPTEMBER 9TH TO BE A POLICY DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL ON THE EXISTING INCLEMENT WEATHER PROCEDURES. WHAT TEMPERATURES? WIND CHILL. SO WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN SEPTEMBER. OKAY. SECOND THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND SECONDLY, OF THE 19 RECOMMENDATIONS YOU MADE, THEY SEEM VERY REASONABLE TO ME. THREE WERE PARTIALLY AGREED, I THINK, AND ONE WAS ONE DISAGREED. YES. HAVE HAVE THOSE POSITIONS THOSE FOUR POSITIONS CHANGED AT ALL SINCE THEY WERE WRITTEN REVIEWED AND NOW I DON'T BELIEVE SO. AND UNLESS STAFF WOULD LIKE I MEAN, THOSE RESPONSES ARE STAFF'S ADDRESS. SO I WOULD DEFER TO THEM I THINK USUALLY PARTIALLY AGREE. THERE'S USUALLY SOME SORT OF RESOURCE, ADDITIONAL RESOURCE THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY PARTIALLY AGREE INDICATING WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS. BUT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THE OPERATIONAL FEASIBILITY. AND THEN I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE DISAGREE RECOMMENDATION THE POSITION HAS CHANGED. OKAY. I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR, FOR A VERY EXHAUSTIVE. LOOK. SEE AT THIS. IT'S TREMENDOUS. THANK YOU. SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE TOO. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. THANK YOU. YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW POLICE MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT RESOURCE TO BE DOING OUTREACH. AND YOU SAID THAT THEY DON'T HAVE I FORGET THE EXACT LANGUAGE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC RESOURCES TO BRING TO BEAR. SO I GUESS ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS WHETHER THAT CHANGES IF THEY'RE ALL, YOU KNOW, TRAINED GOING FORWARD AND CRT. BUT ALSO IS THE ISSUE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE RESOURCES OR THAT THERE AREN'T RESOURCES NO MATTER WHO DOES THE OUTREACH. IS IT IS IT A LACK OF RESOURCES IN THE ECOSYSTEM? SO CURRENTLY OR HISTORICALLY DURING THE AUDIT PERIOD, THERE WERE RESOURCES, RIGHT? THE STREET OUTREACH CONTRACTOR DID HAVE RESOURCES TO CONNECT PEOPLE TO HOUSING, WHICH THEY WERE DOING. THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT THAT WAS FEDERALLY FUNDED. AND THERE'S FEDERAL. THOSE FEDERAL DOLLARS ARE ARE BEING EXPENDED AND WILL NO LONGER EXIST AFTER A CERTAIN POINT. SO THERE IS A LACK OF RESOURCES IN THAT AREA.

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BUT THE THAT TYPE OF ACCESS TO RESOURCES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEVER HAD. RIGHT. SO THEY HAD A POT OF MONEY ESSENTIALLY BEING VERY SIMPLISTIC, RIGHT, OF WE CAN PUT SOMEBODY IN A HOTEL WITH THIS MONEY FOR X AMOUNT OF TIME. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE THAT OPTION. THEY DON'T HAVE AN OPTION TO REALLY GIVE SOMEBODY A BUS PASS. THEY DON'T HAVE AN OPTION TO PROVIDE MONEY FOR GASOLINE. WITHOUT GOING TO OTHER OTHER PROVIDERS ESSENTIALLY. SO THEY'RE LIMITED IN THAT WAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ESSENTIALLY A POT OF MONEY TO PROVIDE THOSE TYPES OF RESOURCES TO PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. SO THE TRAINING DOESN'T CHANGE THAT. THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO CONNECT THE DOTS BETWEEN THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE RESOURCES TO PROVIDE AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE OUTREACH. RIGHT. OKAY. ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS THE ULTIMATE BARRIER THAT AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, ANECDOTALLY AND BUT WE ALL BELIEVE IT TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY THE CASE, IS THAT WE'RE SERVING A GEOGRAPHIC AREA WAY BEYOND ANYTHING THAT WAS EVER ENVISIONED. AND HAVE YOU RUN ACROSS IN WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING, ANY KIND OF BEST PRACTICE FOR? MEASURING? AND, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY REHOMING PEOPLE AND ENGAGING OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE SOLUTION? I MEAN, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THE BEST PRACTICES UNDERSTAND THAT IT SHOULD BE LIKE A REGIONAL, COORDINATED EFFORT. RIGHT. THERE IS A DENTON COUNTY HOMELESSNESS LEADERSHIP TEAM, I BELIEVE, THAT WE INTERACT WITH TO SOME EXTENT. I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT YOUR QUESTION. WELL, YOU KNOW, WE ANECDOTALLY I SOMEBODY TELL ME I'M WRONG IF I'M WRONG. YOU KNOW, WE GET PEOPLE FROM AS FAR AWAY AS CALIFORNIA, YOU KNOW, NOT PART OF DENTON COUNTY AT ALL. AND YOU KNOW WHERE WHEN I FIRST BECAME INVOLVED IN THIS ISSUE, THE MAJORITY WERE FROM DENTON COUNTY, IF NOT FROM DENTON. BUT IT WAS ABOUT, I THINK, LET'S SAY SEVEN YEARS AGO, IT WAS ABOUT HALF OF DENTON AND MOST OF THE REST OF THE HALF FROM THE REST OF DENTON COUNTY.

I, I THINK IT IS BELIEVED YOU CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THAT'S A MINORITY NOW OF WHO WE SERVE. SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS, ARE WE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO EXPERIENCE, OR ARE WE THE ONLY SHELTER OPERATION THAT EXPERIENCES THAT PHENOMENON? AND OR DO OTHERS? WHO WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE CONSIDERED TO BE FOLLOWING BEST PRACTICES HAVE A WAY OF DEALING WITH IT THAT WE DON'T? YEAH I WOULD. SO THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT WE DO THAT. DO PEOPLE DO COME HERE FROM OUTSIDE OF DENTON COUNTY, RIGHT TO THE SHELTER. I BELIEVE THAT THAT LIKELY HAPPENS AT OTHER SHELTERS AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BEST PRACTICES IS ON THAT AREA. I DID NOT FIND ANY READILY. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID NOTE IN THE AUDIT IS THAT THE SHELTER CURRENTLY IS NOT PRIORITIZING GUESTS REALLY IN ANY WAY. RIGHT. THEY'RE MOSTLY USING THE LOTTERY SYSTEM TO DETERMINE WHO GETS ACCESS TO SERVICES. SO IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WANTS, THEY CAN INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE PRIORITIZATION SYSTEM. I THINK IT BECOMES A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO OPERATIONALIZE BECAUSE IT RELIES ON SELF-REPORTING INFORMATION. RIGHT. AND THEN HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE TO BE IN DENTON TO BE IN DENTON? SO BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL CAN ADDRESS AS A POLICY QUESTION. AS PART OF THAT PRIORITIZATION DISCUSSION. OKAY. I REMAIN INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO IT. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE? THANK YOU, MADISON, FOR BRINGING US THIS INFORMATION.

MUCH NEEDED CONVERSATION. AND I SUSPECT THE WAY THAT OUR DIRECTION OF OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION IN THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO PUT A LOT MORE WEIGHT ON US IN THIS AREA. CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE BEFORE? THAT? THE RESPONSES TO RESPONSES. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO A LOT. AND THE THING THAT IS THE MOST CONCERNING TO ME IS THE YOU KNOW, THIS IS NEITHER HERE NOR THERE THING RIGHT NOW, BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN CORRECT THIS PART IS, IS, IS JUST OWNING UP, OWNING UP TO THE REALITY THAT WE HAVE TO PUT THE MASK ON OURSELVES FIRST SO WE CAN BE WELL AND HEALTHY ENOUGH TO HELP OTHERS. AND WHATEVER WE'RE DOING. WE JUST NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE STRAIN THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON OURSELVES AS A COMMUNITY. I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF FUNDING GOING TOWARDS THIS WAY, AND OF COURSE, SOME THINK THAT MORE NEEDS TO GO THIS

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WAY AND OTHERS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN CONCERNS AS WELL. THE RESPONSES THAT I SEE HERE IS ASKING US TO GIVE SOME DIRECTIO, AND I THE DIRECTION FOR ME WOULD BE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT BECAUSE WE'RE HERE NOW. WE'RE AT THE CROSSROADS. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ASK FOR A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC DIRECTION IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION. OKAY.

SO THE NEXT PRESENTATION IS GOING TO DO THAT. YEAH, I'M I'M VERY MUCH INTO, YOU KNOW, HEARING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AGAIN, I JUST KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO TURN A CORNER SOMEWHERE AND HEARING THE NEXT PRESENTATION, IF IT GIVES US THAT, THAT OPPORTUNITY TO FIGURE OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE PRECISELY. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. I THINK THAT'S THE LAST I GOT. MADISON AND THE PRESENTATION YOU MENTIONED ABOUT CITY HAVING THE LIMITED ABILITY TO STORE THE BELONGINGS OF FOLKS WHO ARE IN ENCAMPMENT. IF I, MISTER MAYOR, ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY QUESTION. YES. SO, MISTER CITY ATTORNEY, I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM SOMEONE INTERESTED IN THE COMMUNITY WHO'S AN EXPERT ON THESE ISSUES. AND I'M JUST GOING TO QUOTE FROM PART OF HER EMAIL, I WANT YOU TO TELL ME, CHECK THIS WITH STATE LAW. OKAY. THE TEXAS BAN ON CAMPING ACTUALLY REQUIRES THAT CAMPERS BE REFERRED TO SHELTERS THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THEM, AND TO PROVIDE FREE STORAGE FOR THEIR POSSESSIONS FOR ACTIONS TAKEN UNDER THIS LAW. SO IS THAT DOES THAT JIVE WITH YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF STATE LAW WITH RESPECT TO THE BELONGINGS OF FOLKS IN ENCAMPMENTS? I GUESS TWO PARTS STATE LAW, PENAL CODE 48.05 IS THE PENAL CODE. THAT IS THE ADDRESSING STATE CAMPING IN THE STATE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. AS FAR AS HAVING TO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR THEM, THAT'S NOT TOTALLY ACCURATE. THE LAW ALLOWS THAT THE OFFICER MAKE A REASONABLE EFFORT TO REACH OUT SO THAT PUBLIC SERVICES OR NONPROFIT SERVICES CAN BE PROVIDED TO THE PERSON. AS FAR AS THEIR BELONGINGS, IT DOES ALLOW FOR AND SAYS THAT THE OFFICER SHOULD EITHER LET THE PERSON RETRIEVE THEIR BELONGINGS AT THAT TIME, OR THE CITY SHOULD TAKE THEM INTO CUSTODY. THE BELONGINGS AND GIVE IT BACK TO THEM WHEN THEY'RE RELEASED FROM CUSTODY. CHIEF, WHAT'S THE NORMAL PROCEDURE AROUND THE COLLECTION OF PROPERTY WHEN AN ENCAMPMENT IS CLEANED UP? WHEN THE. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENCAMPMENTS, AS THE CITY ATTORNEY CITED, THAT THE LAW DOES STATE THAT WE HAVE TO LET THEM COLLECT THEIR BELONGINGS.

BUT I'M NOT INVOLVED IN THE CLEANUP PORTION. THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A COMMUNITY SERVICES FUNCTION. BUT WHEN THEY'RE ARRESTED, CITING THAT THAT STATUTE, IT DOES SAY THAT THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO COLLECT UP ALL THEIR STUFF AND TAKE IT WITH THEM, THAT THAT CITATION AND PENAL CODE 4805 IS SPECIFIC TO THAT STATUTE, SO THAT THAT DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE FOR ANY OTHER ARREST, THAT THAT SOMEBODY MAY BE ARRESTED FOR ANY OTHER CHARGES THAT SOMEONE MAY BE ARRESTED FOR. AS FAR AS PROPERTY GOES. SO ONLY IF THEY'RE ARRESTED FOR THE ENCAMPMENT WILL YOU LET THEM COLLECT THEIR BELONGINGS AND BRING IT WITH THEM? NOT NOT LET THEM. SO THE OFFICERS MAKE A REASONABLE ATTEMPT TO ALLOW THEM TO TAKE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PROPERTY. BUT THAT STATUTE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT THAT CITES ALLOWING THEM TO CLEAN UP, SAY, AN ENTIRE ENCAMPMENT, AND TAKE THEIR PROPERTY. SO WHEN THEY'RE ARRESTED, YOU ALL HAVE CAPACITY AT THE POLICE STATION TO HOLD THEIR BELONGINGS FOR AS LONG AS THEY'RE THERE. WE HAVE SOME STORAGE ABILITY. IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND WHILE THEY'RE THERE. YEAH, WE DO HAVE SOME SOME LOCKERS THAT THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE SOME PROPERTY. SOMETIMES WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE SOMEBODY'S ENTIRE LIFE, I GUESS I WOULD SAY. SO WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT WE ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO. I'M SORRY. OFFICER.

DISCRETION. THE OFFICER GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY BASED ON THE CHARGE, REALLY, I GUESS. SO, MADISON, WHAT WHAT IS WHAT IS OUR CAPACITY TO PROVIDE

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STORAGE FOR THESE FOLKS? IS THIS A AND THIS QUESTION NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED BY OUR STAFF THAT HAVE THAT OR ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AT THE SHELTER THAT HAVE IT? WE HAVE TEMPORARY STORAGE FOOT LOCKERS AT THE SHELTER FOR ANYONE THAT'S THERE. SO ON SITE, PER THE LAW, WHEN THEY'RE THERE AT THE SHELTER, WE HAVE TO THEY WE DON'T. BUT OUR, OUR CONTRACTOR PROVIDES SHELTER SOME TYPE OF LOCKER STORAGE FOR THEM. SO IT'S THERE. AND THEN THE POLICE OR ANYONE THAT'S VISITING AN ENCAMPMENT SITE THAT HAS TO SAY WE NEED TO MOVE ON. IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. WE NEED TO CLEAN IT UP. WE ALWAYS TELL THEM, YOU HAVE SO MUCH TIME TO CLEAN IT UP. PLEASE TAKE YOUR PROPERTY WITH YOU. PARTICULARLY, WE EMPHASIZE THAT ANY MEDICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL LEAVE PIECES OF CLOTHING AND OTHER THINGS, BUT WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO TAKE THEIR PERSONAL ITEMS LIKE MEDICATIONS AND STUFF PARTICULARLY. SO THEY'RE NOT LEAVING THAT BEHIND BECAUSE THAT FURTHER COMPLICATES ISSUES FOR THEM WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR MEDICATIONS AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE MORE PERSONAL TO THEM. SO JUST A GENERAL QUESTION. ARE WE GOING FAR ENOUGH? IS THERE MORE THAT WE CAN DO HERE, OR IS THIS ABOUT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN WITH RESPECT TO THEIR PROPERTY? THIS IS THIS IS AS FAR AS WE CAN GO TO RESPECT TO THEIR PROPERTY AND ENCOURAGING THEM TO TAKE IT SO THAT SO THAT THEY'RE NOT FORGETTING THEIR ITEMS, AND THEN THEY SOMEHOW DON'T END UP COMING BACK. AND THEN THEY THEY'RE NOT BACK WHEN THE TIME IS UP FOR CLEANING AND THEN THEY LOSE THEIR PROPERTY. YOU HEARD CHIEF WILLENBROCK SAY THAT IF IT'S NOT A LOT OF STUFF, IF THEY'RE TAKEN, THEN THEY TAKE IT WITH THEM. BUT THE IDEAL SITUATION IS WE GET THEM TO THE SHELTER AND THEN THEY HAVE A PLACE TO STAY WITH A LOCKER FOR THEIR PERSONAL BELONGINGS. AND THAT'S THE IDEAL SITUATION. DO SOME OF THEM NOT GO? DO SOME OF THEM LEAVE THEIR ITEMS? ABSOLUTELY. AND WE DON'T JUST GO RUSH AND CLEAN IT UP.

OUR HOPE IS THEY'LL COME BACK AND PICK UP THEIR STUFF, BUT IN MANY CASES THEY'RE LEFT THERE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND THEY ARE CLEANED UP. LAST QUESTION. I'M SURE IT MIGHT NOT BE AN EXACT TIME FOR EVERY SITUATION. MIGHT BE A BIT MORE AMBIGUOUS, BUT HOW LONG IS IT UNTIL COMMUNITY SERVICE TEAM COMES IN AND NORMALLY CLEANS UP AN ENCAMPMENT? JESSE CAN ANSWER THAT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A TIMELINE. OKAY. THANK YOU. JESSE. JESSE AGAIN, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. WE ARE GOING TO BE ADDRESSING THE CLEANUP PROCESS FOR PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROPERTY IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION. I CAN HOLD OFF TILL THEN, OR WE CAN DISCUSS IT NOW. THE, THE. SO FOR AS FAR AS WHAT THE TIMELINE IS, I SEE, I SEE. SO AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE NOT TO SPOIL OUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT THE PROCESS WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS CLEAN UP WITHIN SEVEN DAYS. AND THAT INCLUDES AMPLE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR STREET OUTREACH PARTNERS, NONPROFIT PARTNERS TO WORK WITH THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN THE ENCAMPMENT SITES TO HELP THEM TAKE THEIR BELONGINGS APPROPRIATELY, TO HELP THEM FIND THEIR NEXT STEP. WITH WITH REGARDS TO WHERE THEY'RE STAYING WITH THEIR POSSESSIONS. THANK YOU. JESSE. YES, SIR. MAYOR.

LAST QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND. CHIEF. SOMEONE IN AN ENCAMPMENT IS ARRESTED. I'M ASKING YOU TO VERY MUCH GUESS ON THIS. THEY'RE ARRESTED. HOW LONG UNTIL THEY'RE OUT TO COME BACK AND CLEAN THEIR STUFF? I'M DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'RE ARRESTED FOR. I MEAN, IS THERE ANY WAY TO GUESS? I WILL ACCEPT, I DON'T KNOW. IT WOULD BE MOSTLY. AND I DON'T KNOW. I CAN SAY THAT MOST PEOPLE THAT COME INTO THE CITY JAIL ARE MOVED OUT RELATIVELY QUICKLY WITHIN A DAY OR TWO. OKAY. BUT THAT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE CHARGE. YOU KNOW, THEY THEY VERY WELL MAY END UP IN COUNTY JAIL DEPENDING ON THE CHARGE. AND I COULDN'T SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY ON WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR THEM TO GET OUT OF COUNTY JAIL FOR A SPECIFIC CRIMINAL CHARGE. THANKS, EVERYBODY. THANKS, MAYOR. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE CONCLUDE? SEEING. NONE. MADISON.

SORRY, I WAS. AT MY REGULAR JOB ALL DAY, SO I DIDN'T GET TO DO MY VOLUNTEER JOB. MY QUESTION IS, WHERE CAN YOU POINT ME TO THE ANSWER? YOU TOUCHED ON IT, BUT I WANT TO DOCUMENT IT BECAUSE WE GET QUESTIONS ABOUT IT REGULARLY. I ASKED ABOUT CONFIRMED DROP OFFS HERE IN DENTON. I KNOW THAT THAT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED. THAT'S THAT'S NOT A RUMOR. CORRECT. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE DROPPED OFF HERE FROM OTHER PLACES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF DENTON. PERFECT. OKAY.

AND THEN I JUST FOR FUTURE, FOR THE FOLLOW UP AND FOR FUTURE DISCUSSIONS ON THIS TOPIC FROM YOUR OFFICE. I HAVE JUST A GENERAL REQUEST AND I'LL GIVE SOME SPECIFIC EXAMPLES. I WE ARE WE, THE DENTON COMMUNITY, ARE BENEFITED BY HAVING YOU HERE KIND OF INTERNALLY AS A RESOURCE. AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DATA REFLECT THAT ADVANTAGE. AND HERE'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. RECOMMENDATIONS SEEM TO BE ABSENT KIND OF OUR CURRENT STATUS. SO LOTS OF FEDERAL GUIDELINES BEST PRACTICES AND KIND OF BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE LEVEL OF

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SPECIFICITY LOCALLY THAT WE COULD. MY ESTIMATION EXAMPLE CITY BUDGET STATUS. I MEAN, YOU'RE BEING IN THE BUILDING. YOU COULD GET A PREVIEW FROM THE CITY MANAGER AND SAY, HEY, WHAT IS THE BUDGET? HOW TIGHT ARE WE? BECAUSE I'M GOING TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COULD COST MORE. OR HOW CAN WE BE CREATIVE WITH THE LIMITED RESOURCES WE HAVE AND COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT SAYS, AND IT COULD BE BOTH, IT COULD BE BEST PRACTICES AND THEN UNDERSTANDING BUDGET CONSTRAINTS. HERE'S HERE'S FEASIBLY WHAT CAN BE DONE. SO I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT REALLY TO ME IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THINGS THAT ARE ACTIONABLE THAT WE CAN THEN ADDRESS. AND SO I COULD NOT AGREE MORE WITH THE ONE DISAGREEMENT. AND I HOPE THAT NEVER CHANGES, BECAUSE TO ME THE RISK IS TOO GREAT. AND THAT'S PROVIDING GUIDANCE TO DISPATCHERS ON ASSESSING MENTAL HEALTH CALLS. CALL RISK LEVEL. I JUST DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THAT OVER THE PHONE IN A DISTRESSED SITUATION. AND I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THAT WITH EVERY CALL, BECAUSE WHEN YOU ESPECIALLY WHEN I CALL ON A RARE OCCASIONS, IF I HAVE TO CALL 911, I HAVE LIMITED INFORMATION THAT I'M PROVIDING A DISPATCHER AND THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE TO GO ON AND FOR THEM TO TRY TO BE TASKED WITH DISCERNING A LEVEL OF MENTAL HEALTH RISK AT THAT AND AT THAT TIME. AND THAT'S VERY THAT CAN BE DYNAMIC. SOMEONE'S MENTAL HEALTH CAN GO FROM GREAT TO NOT GREAT. AND IN MOMENTS. AND SO TO HAVE A CALLER TRY TO DISCERN THOSE FACTS, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE FROM A PRAGMATIC DAY IN, DAY OUT CONSISTENCY PERSPECTIVE. AND SO I HOPE THAT DOES NOT CHANGE BECAUSE AND THAT'S REALLY I JUST WANT THINGS THAT ARE ACTIONABLE THAT WE CAN THEN BUILD POLICIES AROUND BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE DAY IN AND DAY OUT ENFORCED, AND PEOPLE HAVE TO INTERPRET THOSE POLICIES SO THAT IF IT'S AMBIGUOUS, I THINK THAT'S DIFFICULT. ANOTHER THING, THE STORAGE LIMITS, THAT'S A KNOWN THING. WHO FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN SPEAK TO THE STORAGE LIMITS, BECAUSE THAT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD A DIFFICULT SITUATION AT THE POLICE STATION. WE ENHANCED IT, WE MADE IT BIGGER, AND IT FILLED UP IMMEDIATELY. AND WHEN HE HE MENTIONED IT GOES TO THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY GIVES THEM LIKE A FOOTLOCKER WORTH OF SPACE. AND SO THEN WE HAVE THE RESIDUAL STUFF. SO WHO CAN SPEAK TO STORAGE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? CAN YOU GIVE US THAT TIMELINE AGAIN? I DON'T REMEMBER THE TIME WHEN WE UPDATED THE STORAGE ROOM, BUT IT'S A KNOWN COMMODITY. IT CERTAINLY IS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT THE TIMELINE IS FOR THE STORAGE. WHAT I CAN SAY IS WHEN WE DID THE PD REDESIGN, WE INCORPORATED SOME STORAGE OPTIONS FOR IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. FOR THOSE THINGS, IT IS LIMITED STORAGE. BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, MAYOR, THAT IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY IN OUR JAIL WHERE WE TOOK AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PROPERTY AND WE'RE STORING IT FOR THEM IN ONE OF THESE LARGE LOCKERS IN OUR SALLYPORT AND THEY END UP GOING TO COUNTY JAIL. YES. THEY COULD NOT TAKE ALL THOSE THINGS WITH THEM, AND WE'D HAVE TO WE'D HAVE TO STORE THAT AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT BY CHECKING IN IN PROPERTY AND HOPE THAT SOMEDAY THEY WILL COME BY AND GATHER THEIR STUFF. RIGHT. SO BUT WHAT WAS IT TWO, THREE YEARS AGO, WE REMODELED THE POLICE STATION. IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? YES. YEAH. AND SO IT WAS TIGHT. THEN WE EXPANDED IT. IT'S TIGHT NOW. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BUT YEAH THAT THAT. SO THOSE KNOWN THINGS NEED TO BE IN MY ESTIMATION FACTORED INTO THE TO THESE. RECOMMENDATIONS. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE.

SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A DECISION. WE NEED TO DO ANOTHER EXPANSION. WE NEED TO COME UP CONTRACT WITH SOMEONE. JUST KIND OF HAVE THOSE HAVE THOSE REAL DISCUSSIONS. AND THEN. I'M CURIOUS, DID YOU TALK TO ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS TO GET THE NUMBERS AS FAR AS EXPENSES THEY'RE SPENDING TO CLEAN UP ENCAMPMENTS? NO, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT DATA YET. SO THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THIS ANALYSIS BECAUSE YOU HAVE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE TO PAY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY REPEATEDLY. AND I THINK THAT FACTORS IN OR IT SHOULD HELP GUIDE POLICY DISCUSSIONS. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, LIKE, HEY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE ENCAMPMENTS. CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT TO GET A FULL PICTURE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A HOLISTIC ORDINANCE, I'D LIKE TO SEE US TAKE ON. AND THAT'S A KNOWN COMMODITY. I, I KNOW BECAUSE I HEAR ABOUT IT AFTER THE FACT. THERE'S BEEN BUSINESSES, PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THAT RAISED THE ISSUE OF COST. AND SO THAT'S AGAIN INTERNALLY IT'S A IT'S A KNOWN COMMODITY THAT I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEEN EVALUATED AND BAKED INTO THE, THE SUGGESTIONS. AND SO I, I

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THINK I AGREE MAYOR I, I ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO BETTER MONITOR THOSE COSTS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. ENCAMPMENTS WERE INVOLVED TO SOME EXTENT, BUT WE'RE NOT COLLECTING ANY DATA ON THAT AS THE CITY. AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE. WELL, IT'D BE HARD FOR I THINK THE DATA IS THERE BECAUSE NORMALLY SOLID WASTE IS CONTRACTED. IF IT'S IN THE CITY OF DENTON, WE'D HAVE TO BE THE SOLID WASTE PROVIDER, THE ROLL OFF PROVIDER. AND I KNOW I'VE SEEN THE CONTRACT WITH DENTON FREEDOM HOUSE TO CLEAN UP AREAS. SO THERE'S EITHER THERE'S AN INVOICE THERE, THERE'S SOLID WASTE. SO THE DOCUMENT THE DATA IS OUT THERE SOMEPLACE.

CERTAINLY PROBABLY NOT EASY TO CORRELATE. I AGREE IT EXISTS, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE TRACKING IT CENTRALLY. AND I AGREE THAT THAT SHOULD OCCUR. OKAY. YES. AND SO BUT I MEAN YEAH. SO THAT THAT'S JUST OVERARCHING WITHOUT GETTING INTO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, THAT JUST IS THAT OVERARCHING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE TURNKEY READY, NOT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NOT ACTIONABLE, BUT CUSTOMIZED TO THE CITY OF DENTON VERSUS GLOBALLY BEST PRACTICES. WHEN THE FOLLOW UP HITS. THAT'S REALLY WHAT WHAT WHAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL AS WE'RE SHAPING AN ORDINANCE OR POLICIES OR PROCESSES, BECAUSE I JUST THINK THAT'S THAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING SOMEONE YOUR SKILL SET, YOUR TEAM AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND LEGAL ALL UNDER ONE ONE ROOF. WE CAN PROCESS THE INFORMATION A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AND BETTER AND HELP US GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding homelessness initiatives. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 2 hour]]

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM B. WHICH IS ID 242043. RECEIVE REPORT, WHOLE DISCUSSION, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING HOMELESS INITIATIVES.

AND JESSIE DO YOU WANT TO AND ONCE ONCE YOU'RE READY LAY OUT THE. WE'LL DO HALF AND HALF RIGHT LIKE DIRECTION HALF THEN DIRECTION HALF. CORRECT. YES, MAYOR. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, JESSIE KENT, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. THANK YOU.

TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE HOMELESSNESS ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S AN INCREDIBLY COMPLEX ISSUE. EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT ROAD INTO HOMELESSNESS. EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT ROAD OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY. AS MADISON MENTIONED IN HER AUDIT, IT WAS THE TOP PRIORITY AMONG RESIDENTS IN THE 2024 COMMUNITY SURVEY, 85% OF RESPONDENTS SAID IT WAS A MAJOR MODERATE PROBLEM, AND 58% FELT THAT THIS SERVICE AREA NEEDED TO BE THE FOCUS OF CITY LEADERS. THIS YEAR, RESPONDENTS VOICED CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIAL NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THEIR SENSE OF SAFETY, BUT THEY ALSO VOICED THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT PROVIDING SUPPORT TO INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS PRESENTATION IS FOCUSED ON THOSE INITIATIVES THAT COUNCIL AND THE CITY FUNDS, MAINLY STREET OUTREACH, THE ENCAMPMENT CLEANUP PROCESS AND THE DENTON COMMUNITY SHELTER. MOST OF THOSE THINGS THAT MADISON COVERED IN THEIR AUDIT. THE PRESENTATION WILL NOT COVER THE CITY'S INCLEMENT WEATHER POLICY THAT WILL COME ON SEPTEMBER 9TH. THROUGH THE WORK SESSION CONVERSATION, AND IT WON'T COVER THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS THAT GO INTO PREVENTING HOMELESSNESS, LIKE MENTAL HEALTH, HOSPITALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AS A QUICK BIT OF BACKGROUND, WE LAST SPOKE ABOUT THIS TOPIC IN NOVEMBER. WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON DIFFERENT UPGRADES AND THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO DO AT THE DENTON COMMUNITY SHELTER, AND A LOT OF THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED, INCLUDING A SINGLE ENTRANCE. A CODE OF CONDUCT WAS IMPLEMENTED BY OUR DAILY BREAD. THE INTAKE PROCESS HAD BEEN CHANGED TO ENSURE THAT FOLKS ARE GETTING INTAKE. THERE'S AN ABILITY TO SCHEDULE TIME WITH A CASE MANAGER, AND AS MADISON MENTIONED IN THEIR AUDIT AND BEGINNING TO WORK WITH OTHER PARTNERS THAT ARE DOING WORK IN THE HOMELESSNESS SPACE. AND I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT A LOT OF OUR PROVIDERS ARE HERE TODAY AND THANK THEM FOR BEING HERE AGAIN, FOCUSING OUR DISCUSSION TODAY ON THE STREET OUTREACH, WHICH IS PRIMARILY GIVING GRACE AND DENTON PD, THE EMERGENCY SHELTER AND HOUSING STABILITY, THAT SHORT TERM HOUSING STABILITY WITHIN KIND OF 120 DAYS. IN DENTON. THERE ARE A COUPLE DIFFERENT METRICS WE USE TO LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. ONE IS THE POINT IN TIME COUNT. THE POINT IN TIME COUNT IS A NATIONAL NIGHT. WHERE OR EXCUSE ME DAY WHERE VOLUNTEERS GO. THEY CANVASS THE COMMUNITY. THEY TRY AND IDENTIFY PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. AND THE SURVEY IS CONDUCTED ANNUALLY. SO THE LATEST DATA IS

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FROM 2024. WE CONDUCTED THE COUNT IN JANUARY, I BELIEVE, AND THE 2025 DATA COMES OUT NEXT MONTH FROM THE UNITED WAY AND THE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS LEADERSHIP TEAM. AT THE LAST COUNT, NUMBER FOR DENTON COUNTY WAS 518. AND FOR THE CITY OF DENTON, IT WAS 424. ANOTHER IMPORTANT METRIC WE USE IS THE DENTON COUNTY HOMELESSNESS DATA DASHBOARD. THE NUMBERS PRESENTED ON THE SCREEN ARE THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE TAKEN A HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY INTERACTING WITH SERVICES OR HAVE ENGAGED WITH SERVICES IN THE LAST 90 DAYS, IF WE WERE TO APPLY THE SAME KIND OF PERCENTAGE THAT WE SEE IN THE PIT COUNT TO THIS NUMBER, IT'D BE AROUND 490 INDIVIDUALS IN THE CITY OF DENTON. WITH THAT BACKGROUND, WE'RE GOING TO START TALKING ABOUT ENCAMPMENTS AND KIND OF CONTINUING ON THE CONVERSATION WE WERE JUST HAVING. SO ADDRESSING ENCAMPMENTS REQUIRES THE COORDINATION OF FOUR DIFFERENT STEPS WITH MANY DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS. AN IMPORTANT PIECE IS THE ACTIVE MANAGEMENT OF IDENTIFICATION, STREET OUTREACH, ENFORCEMENT IF IT IS NECESSARY, AND THE CLEANUP OF ENCAMPMENTS. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENCAMPMENT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANY PLACE WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL SET UP A SEMI-PERMANENT CAMPSITE, LIVING IN A SPACE THAT'S NOT MEANT FOR HUMAN HABITATION COULD RANGE FROM A SLEEPING BAG AND A COOKTOP TO MULTIPLE DWELLINGS WITH SIGNIFICANT BUILDUP OF DEBRIS. THESE ARE SOME PICTURES FROM ENCAMPMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT THAT I HAVE TAKEN OR THAT OUR PARTNERS HAVE TAKEN. AS I SAID, THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED IN ADDRESSING ENCAMPMENTS. THE FIRST ARE EVERYONE WHO IDENTIFIES ONE. SO THIS COULD REALLY BE ANYBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT COULD BE A RESIDENT, A COUNCIL MEMBER, A BUSINESS OWNER, ANYONE, A CITY STAFF MEMBER, REALLY. ANYONE WHO SEES ONE CAN REPORT ONE. MOST OF OUR ENCAMPMENTS THAT WE'VE SEEN THIS YEAR HAVE BEEN REPORTED THROUGH ENGAGED DENTON. FROM FROM THERE WE TALK ABOUT OUR STREET OUTREACH PARTNERS.

THERE'S REALLY THREE DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT DO STREET OUTREACH. THERE ARE NONPROFIT AGENCIES SPECIFICALLY GIVING GRACE THAT CONDUCTS STREET OUTREACH AS A CONTRACT WITH $125,000 FROM THE CITY THAT FUNDS ONE AND A HALF POSITIONS FOR THEM TO DO STREET OUTREACH. THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT GOALS, BUT AS THE AUDITOR MENTIONED, THEY DO A GREAT JOB AND THEY HELP CONNECT.

I KNOW LAST YEAR, 62 PEOPLE WITH, EXCUSE ME GETTING CONNECTED WITH MISS. THEY PLACED 49 PEOPLE LAST YEAR WITH PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING OR PERMANENT HOUSING SOLUTIONS, AND THEY ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE REGULARLY ABOUT 30 A MONTH. OUR POLICE OUTREACH TEAM AND SORRY, THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ENSURING THEY ARE HELPING PEOPLE GET OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. THAT'S THEIR PRIMARY GOAL. OUR POLICE OUTREACH TEAM, WHICH WAS FORMERLY THE HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM AND CERT, CONDUCTS STREET OUTREACH. THOSE TWO TEAMS WERE MERGED TOGETHER AT THE START OF THE YEAR TO FORM THE POLICE OUTREACH TEAM, AND THEN THE THIRD GROUP ARE UNAFFILIATED INDIVIDUALS. SO THESE ARE CONCERNED PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT HELPING, PEOPLE WHO WANT TO RELIEVE KIND OF THE DIFFICULTIES OF BEING HOMELESS. ENFORCEMENT IS THE NEXT STEP. IT'S NOT ALWAYS NECESSARY. OUR KIND OF IDEAL GOAL IS THAT WE IDENTIFY AN ENCAMPMENT. WE CONNECT PEOPLE, THE RESOURCES, AND THEN THEY MOVE ON TO THOSE DIFFERENT RESOURCES. AND THEN THE LAST STEP WOULD BE CLEANUP. AND THIS HAS BEEN MANAGED DIFFERENTLY.

PREVIOUSLY. PARKS WOULD HANDLE A LOT OF THE CLEANUP ON CITY PROPERTY. CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD HELP ADDRESS ENCAMPMENT CLEANUP ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND IN OUR COMMUNITY. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS ENGAGED IN THIS PROPERTY OWNERS, PRIVATE CONTRACTORS AND THE CITY STAFF.

OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS IS ONE THAT WE WANT TO DO A BETTER JOB OF INCREASING OUR COORDINATION. SO PREVIOUSLY AN ENCAMPMENT MAY BE REPORTED THROUGH ANY ONE OF THOSE NUMBER OF METHODS THAT I SPOKE ABOUT. IT WOULD GO TO MAYBE PARKS. IF IT WAS A REPORT IN A CITY PARK, IT MIGHT COME TO COMMUNITY SERVICES. IF IT WAS IDENTIFIED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY SOMEWHERE, IT MIGHT GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IF IT WAS REPORTED THROUGH THE NON-EMERGENCY LINE.

WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN STEPS TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ROUTES TO IDENTIFICATION ARE NOW CONCENTRATED IN THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT. THIS WILL ALLOW US TO ACTIVELY MANAGE IT, TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF THESE STEPS ARE BEING FOLLOWED, AND THAT THE INDIVIDUALS IN ENCAMPMENTS ARE GETTING THE SUPPORT THEY NEED. ONE THING THAT WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO DO IS TO TRY AND FIND A WAY TO CONNECT THE UNAFFILIATED GROUPS DOING WORK IN THIS SPACE. WITH THE LARGER COLLECTIVE EFFORT, WE THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY WHO CARE A LOT ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE. WE HAVE A VERY CARING COMMUNITY WITH THE WORK THAT'S GOING ON WITH OUR STREET OUTREACH PARTNERS, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WITH THE CITY, AND ADDRESSING THESE DIFFERENT PIECES. ONE OF THE BIG

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WAYS THAT WE'VE GONE ABOUT DOING THIS IS WE'VE CREATED A SYSTEM TO ALLOW EVERYONE TO KIND OF BE ON THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC. SO OUR STREET OUTREACH PARTNERS ARE GIVING GRACE, HAVE ACCESS TO OUR ENCAMPMENT AND OUTREACH TRACKING SYSTEM. THEY'RE ABLE TO MONITOR WHERE CITY STAFF HAVE GONE.

WE'RE ABLE TO SEE WHERE THEY HAVE GONE, AND THAT'LL BE REALLY HELPFUL. AS MADISON DISCUSSED DURING INCLEMENT WEATHER EVENTS AND ENSURING THAT WE ARE ALERTING EVERYONE THAT THAT WE NEED TO, THAT WE'RE GETTING THE WORD OUT ABOUT INCLEMENT WEATHER EVENTS. AND WE'RE PROVIDING PROVIDING THAT SUPPORT. THE NEXT PIECE OF RECOMMENDATION WE WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO REDISTRIBUTE OUTREACH RESOURCES. SO WE'D LIKE TO MOVE THE CIVILIAN COMPONENTS OF THE PD OUTREACH TEAM. THOSE ARE THOSE MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIANS INTO THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT. YOU HAVE A LETTER FROM THE CHIEF OF POLICE THAT TALKS ABOUT WHY SHE BELIEVES THAT IS THE BEST OPTION FOR THIS FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS. ONE, IT WILL HELP REDUCE BARRIERS. RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE A MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIAN, YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE HOMELESS MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM THAT IS USED BY THE CITY AND OUR PARTNERS. AND THAT'S BECAUSE OUR THE COMMUNITY EXCUSE ME, THE ORGANIZATION THAT MANAGES THE HMIS SYSTEM FOR THE BALANCE ESTATE DOESN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO SHARE THAT ACCESS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO THAT WILL BE A BENEFIT THERE. THEY'LL BE ABLE TO RESPOND WITHOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT TO HELP REDUCE INSTANCES OF ENGAGEMENT WITH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. AS MADISON SPOKE. AND IT WILL HELP FOSTER TRUST AMONG COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND INDIVIDUALS SEEKING SUPPORT. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS FOR US ON THIS, THIS PERSONNEL MOVE, IS THAT THOSE CLINICIANS RETAIN THEIR ABILITY TO RESPOND TO MENTAL HEALTH CRISES IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL THAT THEIR ABILITY TO RESPOND AND PARTNER WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS MAINTAINED AT ITS CURRENT LEVEL. THERE'S NO NO DAYLIGHT BETWEEN THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AND THEIR MISSION.

WE'RE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE THAT THAT REMAINS THE CASE, AND WE'RE GOING TO ENSURE THAT THEY RETAIN ALL OF THE ACCESS TO SYSTEMS, TOOLS AND RESOURCES THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO FULFILL THAT ROLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE PROPOSED PROCESS FOR CONDUCTING CLEANUP ON CITY PROPERTY IS ONE IN WHICH COMMUNITY SERVICES MANAGES IT. FROM START TO FINISH. OUR GOAL IS TO COMPLETE THE CLEANUP WITHIN ONE WEEK OF IDENTIFICATION ON CITY PROPERTY, AND THE WAY THAT LOOKS IS AN ENCAMPMENT COMES IN. IT'S REPORTED FROM ONE OF THOSE DIFFERENT WAYS. IT'S LOGGED. OUR OUTREACH PARTNER IS NOTIFIED. AND WITHIN THOSE FIRST THREE BUSINESS DAYS, WE'RE LOOKING TO SCHEDULE A CLEANUP. WE'RE ENSURING THAT OUR STREET OUTREACH PARTNERS ARE CONDUCTING THAT OUTREACH AND MEETING WITH THE INDIVIDUALS LIVING AT THAT ENCAMPMENT. OUTREACH IS BEING CONDUCTED THROUGHOUT THE TIME UNTIL THE CLEANUP OCCURS. WHEN CLEANUP OCCURS. IDEALLY, WE'VE GIVEN EVERYONE ENOUGH NOTICE BECAUSE WE'RE COORDINATING BETTER. WE KNOW WHEN THE ENCAMPMENT IS GOING TO BE CLEARED, AND THERE'S NO NEED TO INVOLVE LAW ENFORCEMENT. IF THERE IS A NEED TO INVOLVE LAW ENFORCEMENT, THAT'S WHEN THEY WOULD COME AND THEY WOULD TRESPASS ANY INDIVIDUALS. ONE THING I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, COUNCIL MEMBER, TO, TO YOUR POINT, DURING THE AUDIT, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ARRESTING INDIVIDUALS. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT OFTEN ARREST INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE TRESPASSED.

TRESPASS IS IT'S A NOTICE OF WARNING WRITTEN OUT TO THEM. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN HARDLY ANY ARRESTS FOR CRIMINAL TRESPASS. USUALLY THERE'S A DIFFERENT CRIME ASSOCIATED IF THEY'RE BEING ARRESTED. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT MAKE THAT DISTINCTION. ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE A LARGE SAY IN HOW THE PROCESS UNFOLDS. IT MAY BE THE CASE THAT A PROPERTY IS OR AN ENCAMPMENT IS IDENTIFIED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. THEY HELP THE PEOPLE, THEY TELL THE PEOPLE THEY CAN'T BE THERE AND THEY CONDUCT CLEANUP. WE NEVER EVEN HEAR ABOUT IT. WE MAY NOT EVEN KNOW IT COULD BE THE CASE THAT THEY CALL. THEY SAY, I WOULD LIKE THESE INDIVIDUALS TRESPASSED AND THEN WE NEVER HEAR FROM THEM AGAIN. THEY CLEAN UP THEIR PROPERTY ALONG WITH THE THROUGH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS. BUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS DEVELOP SOME BEST PRACTICES AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO HELP PROPERTY OWNERS MIRROR THE PUBLIC PROPERTY. EXCUSE ME, THE CITY PROPERTY PROCESS BY WHICH WE ARE IDENTIFYING THE ENCAMPMENT. WE'RE CONNECTING THEM WITH RESOURCES THROUGH OUR STREET OUTREACH PARTNERS. THEY'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE THERE. WE FIND AN APPROPRIATE TIMELINE THAT WORKS SO THEY CAN RETAIN THEIR BELONGINGS. THEY CAN FIND OUT WHAT THEIR NEXT STEP IS, AND THEN THEY MOVE OUT AND CLEANUP IS CONDUCTED. BUT WE WANT TO HELP PROPERTY. WE WANT TO BE A PARTNER WITH PROPERTY OWNERS IN ADDRESSING ENCAMPMENTS THAT THEY FIND ON THEIR PROPERTY AND NOT COMING IN HEAVY HANDED OR

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LOOKING TO CITE OR PUNISH PEOPLE WHO HAVE ENCAMPMENTS ON THEIR PROPERTY. AND TO THAT END, WE'D ALSO LIKE TO EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE CLEANUP SUPPORT TO PROPERTY OWNERS.

WE'VE BEEN EXPLORING SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS, WHETHER IT'S A GRANT PROGRAM TO MAYBE BRING A DUMPSTER, WAIVING SOME FEES AT THE LANDFILL, JUST RECOGNIZING THAT WE CAN PROBABLY HELP DEFER SOME OF THE COSTS OR THE BURDEN OF ENCAMPMENT CLEANUP ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO, IN SUMMARY, FOR ENCAMPMENTS, AND THIS IS WHERE I'LL PAUSE. THE CITY SHOULD ADOPT A MORE COLLABORATIVE, PROACTIVE APPROACH TO ADDRESSING ENCAMPMENTS IN THE CITY. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THOSE COORDINATION TOOLS FOR ENCAMPMENTS AND STREET OUTREACH TRACKING. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK TO STREAMLINE THE ENCAMPMENT CLEANUP PROCESS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. WE WANT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND ADDRESSING ENCAMPMENTS. AND WE WANT TO EXPLORE WAYS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT TO PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS. MAY I CAN PAUSE HERE FOR DISCUSSION ON THE ENCAMPMENT PROCESS, IF YOU LIKE. YES. AND THIS IS A YEAH, IT'S A GREAT, GREAT SLIDE OKAY. YES. IF SEEKING FEEDBACK FOR STAFF ON THIS FIRST PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR STAFF AND ALSO DIRECTION IF YOU HAVE IT, ANYONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH THANK YOU JESSE AND I APPRECIATE YOUR GETTING INTO THE PROCESS AND HOW TO MAKE THAT MORE SENSIBLE. BUT DO WE KNOW FROM ANY KIND OF TRACKING FROM ALL OF OUR ACTIVITY DEALING WITH ENCAMPMENTS, WHETHER WE'RE WHETHER 10%, 50% OR 90% OF THE ISSUE IS THE SAME PEOPLE WERE CHASING FROM PLACE TO PLACE BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A PLACE OTHER THAN ENCAMPMENT THAT THEY THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO GO. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. WE DON'T HAVE GOOD DATA AROUND WHO WE'RE SEEING REPEATEDLY AT ENCAMPMENTS. THE ENCAMPMENT TRACKING TOOL THAT WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING WILL HELP US TO FILL THOSE GAPS AND TO IDENTIFY INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE AT ENCAMPMENTS MULTIPLE TIMES, WHERE WE'RE SEEING THEM MORE FREQUENTLY. AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO EQUIP US FOR BETTER CONVERSATIONS AROUND THAT. IF I WERE TO SPECULATE A LITTLE BIT, WHICH IS ALWAYS DANGEROUS, BUT THERE PROBABLY ARE A LOT OF THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE CONDUCTING ENCAMPMENT AT ENCAMPMENTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF ENCAMPMENTS IN THE CITY, AND A LARGER NUMBER OF ENCAMPMENTS THAN NECESSARILY ARE INDIVIDUALS, SO THAT WE CLEAN UP EVERY YEAR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. HI. I THINK THIS IS VERY LOGICAL. THIS IS A VERY IT SEEMS TO ME, A VERY HUMANE SYSTEM TRYING TO BALANCE THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY WITH INDIVIDUALS AND, AND PROPERTY OWNERS AND STAFF AND EVERYONE ELSE AT ANY GIVEN TIME. AND I KNOW THAT WE DON'T KNOW OF EVERY ENCAMPMENT. RIGHT. BUT AT ANY GIVEN TIME, DO YOU HAVE A GUESSTIMATE OF HOW MANY ENCAMPMENTS WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF DENTON? AND AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S A GUESSTIMATE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED ALL OF THEM. RIGHT. I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE TRACKING RIGHT NOW, SIX THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CLEANUP PROCESS. AND THAT COULD VARY A TIME. BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT POINT THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW. AND WE'RE WORKING ON IMPROVING OUR PROCESSES TO IDENTIFY, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRACKING ACTIVELY AND THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THEM APPROPRIATELY. AND IN IN WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE RESEARCH YOU'VE DONE. YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE 125,000 TO GIVING GRACE FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE. ANY IDEA ABOUT WHAT THE CITY HAS SPENT AS FAR AS CLEANUP OR, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS THE IDENTIFICATION PROCESS? I MEAN, THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT PROCESSES. ANY IDEA WHAT'S THE AMOUNT WE'RE CURRENTLY SPENDING? I WOULD STRUGGLE TO SPECULATE THE STAFF TIME THAT GOES INTO THINGS LIKE ENGAGE DENTON OR KIND OF THE STAFF TRACKING OF THOSE THINGS. THE CITY HAS HISTORICALLY EMPLOYED A HOMELESS PROGRAMS MANAGER THAT MANAGES THAT POSITION, THAT POSITION, IT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TRACKING AND MANAGEMENT OF ENCAMPMENTS. BUT AS FAR AS CLEANUP, AT LEAST ON CITY PROPERTY, IT'S BEEN ABOUT $50,000 IN LAST FISCAL YEAR THAT WAS SPENT ON CLEANING UP AND CLEANUP. YES, MA'AM. AND HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO OR HAD THE TIME TO REACH OUT TO ANY OF OUR SISTER CITIES AS FAR AS ANY KNOWN ENCAMPMENTS IN ANY OF OUR ADJACENT OR OTHER COUNTY CITIES OR TOWNS? NO, MA'AM. I HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED ENCAMPMENTS IN IN OTHER CITIES OR TOWNS. WELL, I CAN IF THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO GIVE DIRECTION. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS

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THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED THUS FAR. SO YOU CAN COUNT ME AS A YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR THEN FIVE. THANK YOU. AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF ENCAMPMENTS, WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW. YOU POINTED THAT OUT YESTERDAY. THAT'S THE WHOLE THEY'RE CLANDESTINE. SO WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW. I'M IN SUPPORT OF SUPPORT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS YOU MADE. AND I COMPLIMENT YOU ON A FINE PROGRAM. THANK YOU. SIR. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. JESSE, I WANT TO DRILL DOWN ON TRACKING A LITTLE BIT. MAYOR PRO TEM JUST ASKED A QUESTION. SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT DATA SHOULDN'T BE VERY HARD TO FIND, SO. SURELY EVERY TIME SOMEONE COMES IN CONTACT WITH AN ENCAMPMENT, WE'RE TRACKING WHO'S THERE, RIGHT? WE ARE STARTING TO DEVELOP THE ABILITY TO TRACK INDIVIDUALS WHEN WE ARE MEETING THEM OUT ON ENCAMPMENTS. YES. SO WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA HISTORICALLY, FOR I COULDN'T PULL A REPORT FOR YOU FOR THIS ENCAMPMENT. THESE PEOPLE WERE SPOTTED THERE. THEY WERE THERE FOR THE DURATION, ETC, BUT WE ARE WORKING ON BUILDING THAT ABILITY RIGHT NOW. HISTORICALLY, WE WERE NOT TRACKING WHERE ENCAMPMENTS WERE LOCATED IN ANY CENTRAL MANNER OR WHO WAS AT THOSE ENCAMPMENTS. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES.

IT'S A LITTLE A LITTLE HARD TO BELIEVE. SO POLICE GO TO AN ENCAMPMENT. THEY DON'T KEEP TRACK OF WHERE IT IS AND WHO'S THERE. THERE WAS NOT LIKE YOU'RE PERHAPS IMAGINING LIKE A LIST OF WELL, AT X, YOU KNOW, X, Y, Z MAIN STREET. I'M IMAGINING THAT POLICE KEEP CONTACT, KEEP A RECORD OF EVERY TIME THEY DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC, THEY HAVE A CALL RECORD. THAT CALL RECORD IS LISTED UNDER A TYPE OF CALL. SO LIKELY IT'S UNDER AN OUTREACH CALL. BUT THEN THERE MIGHT NOT BE COMMENTS WITHIN THAT RECORD OF WHAT OCCURRED WHERE THAT ENCAMPMENT. THERE'S A RECORD OF WHERE THEY WERE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY WHO THEY MET AT THAT LOCATION. HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE, WHAT THEY ENCOUNTERED. DOES THAT. SO LIKE, YES, WE REVIEWED IT. AND PART OF THE AUDIT, WE REVIEWED A SAMPLE OF THESE OUTREACH CALLS. RIGHT. THEY'RE SELF-INITIATED. MOST OF THEM DID NOT HAVE ANY NOTES WITHIN THE CALL INFORMATION, WHICH IS PART OF WHY WE SAID THE HOT TEAM IS NOT NECESSARILY BEST POSITIONED FOR YOUR EXACT REASON. RIGHT. OF LIKE THEY'RE NOT THAT SYSTEM IS NOT BUILT TO KEEP THOSE KINDS OF RECORDS OKAY. AND UNTIL NOW FIRE DIDN'T KEEP KEEP KEEP RECORD OF THIS EMS FIRE DIDN'T KEEP A RECORD WHERE WE'RE TALKING WHERE WE'RE TALKING TO PEOPLE AND WHO WE'RE TALKING TO. I'M ASSUMING THAT THE ANSWER IS CONSISTENT. I JUST WANT TO HEAR IT. FIRE CHIEF. SO WE HAD THE ONE HOT MEDIC, AND HE WOULD GO OUT AND HAVE INTERACTIONS WITH THE INDIVIDUALS IN THE ENCAMPMENTS AS WELL. AND WE DID HAVE AN APP THAT ACTUALLY TRACKED INFORMATION AS FAR AS ENCAMPMENTS. SO I DO NOT HAVE THAT READILY AVAILABLE TODAY. I GUESS I WAS NOT TO KNOW THAT QUESTION WAS COME UP, BUT WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT HISTORICAL NOW. WE DID DECOMMISSION THAT POSITION BACK IN JANUARY AND RECLASSIFIED AS AN EMS LIEUTENANT TO BEGIN WORKING WITH THE NEW OUTREACH TEAM. SO THE DATA IS HISTORICAL. OKAY. SO JESSE COULD GO BACK AND GET THAT DATA NOT ONLY TO MAYOR PRO TEM QUESTION. MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS I'D LOVE TO KNOW THE REPEAT OFFENDERS IN TERMS OF ENCAMPMENTS. WE CLEANED UP AN ENCAMPMENT AT, I DON'T KNOW, BROWN AND BROWN AND GREEN STREET THREE TIMES IN 2024. I WANT TO KNOW THAT INFORMATION WHERE THE HABITUAL CAMP OFFENDERS ARE. SO I GUESS NOW THAT WE'RE TRACKING NOW, WE CAN HELP FIND THESE THINGS. I GUESS THAT'S HELPFUL.

SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO FIND OUT WHO THE REPEAT OFFENDERS ARE AND WHERE THE REPEAT LOCATIONS ARE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. AND IT'S A GREAT POINT, COUNCILMEMBER. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE LACK OF DATA, I THINK, ACROSS HOMELESSNESS IN GENERAL, THAT THE CITY HAS TO FACILITATE GOOD CONVERSATIONS WITH WITH LEADERS. THAT'S WHY I THINK WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IMPROVING THE TOOLS, IMPROVING THE TRACKING AND ENSURING THAT WE HAVE BETTER DATA. WHAT DOES TECHNICAL SUPPORT FOR PROPERTY OWNERS MEAN? TECHNICAL SUPPORT FOR PROPERTY OWNERS IS ONE.

PROVIDING INFORMATION ON WHERE OR WHO PROPERTY OWNERS CAN WORK WITH FOR CLEANUP. PART OF IT IS INCLUDING SOMETHING WE'RE PRODUCING RIGHT NOW IS A KIND OF A GUIDEBOOK FOR BUSINESSES AND PROPERTY OWNERS. SO WHEN THEY ENCOUNTER INSTANCES OF HOMELESSNESS, WHETHER IT'S AN ENCAMPMENT OR SOMEONE IN THEIR BUSINESS AREA, THEY CAN BE BETTER EQUIPPED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY SHOULD HANDLE THAT SITUATION SO THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEIR ONLY OPTION IS TO CALL THE POLICE OR TO ENGAGE WITHOUT SUPPORT. BUT AGAIN, THE PIECE OF TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, I THINK ONE MOST BUSINESS OWNERS OR PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T DEAL WITH CLEANUPS LIKE THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS. THEY MAY NOT KNOW WHO SHOULD I BE REACHING OUT TO? WHAT IS A REASONABLE PRICE FOR A

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QUOTE? WHAT IS A REASONABLE TIMELINE FOR ADDRESSING THIS? WE WANT TO MAKE SURE AND GIVE THEM THAT INFORMATION SO THAT THEY'RE BETTER EQUIPPED TO DEAL WITH IT, AND THEN ALSO EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES TO USE CITY FUNDING TO THROUGH PROBABLY A GRANT PROGRAM TO HELP THEM DEFER SOME OF THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH ENCAMPMENTS. AND LAST, LAST ONE, YOU SAID THE STREAMLINING IS THAT THAT'S AN THAT'S AN ATTEMPT TO COME TO THAT SEVEN DAY TIMELINE. IT IS AN ATTEMPT TO COME TO THE SEVEN DAY TIMELINE. IT'S ALSO REALLY JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY MANAGING IT INSTEAD OF I THINK PREVIOUSLY THERE THERE WASN'T GREAT TRACKING OF THE PROCESS WHERE IT WOULD COME IN, AND THEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE ASKED TO GO ASSESS. A LOT OF TIMES THEY DON'T FIND ANYONE THERE. THEY REPORT BACK, SAY IT'S EMPTY, AND THEN COMMUNITY SERVICES SAY, OKAY, WELL, THIS IS TRASH AND DEBRIS. NOW, IT'S NOT AN ENCAMPMENT ANYMORE, WHICH JUST REALLY ISN'T THE CASE. IT'S MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THE PROCESSES FROM START TO FINISH, FROM WHEN IT'S IDENTIFIED TO WHEN IT'S CLEANED UP, IS BEING ACTIVELY MANAGED AS AN ENCAMPMENT AND APPROPRIATELY. I HEAR YOU, IT'S THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS IT'S JUST A BIT FRUSTRATING TO LEARN THAT THERE WAS NO TRACKING FROM COMMUNITY SERVICES, NO TRACKING FROM POLICE, LIMITED TRACKING FROM FIRE EMS. SO I'M VERY GLAD NOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TRACKING ACROSS ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY TO TRY TO GET A HANDLE ON THIS. I AM I'M A BIT SKEPTICAL IN THE SEVEN DAY TIMELINE. I'LL BE HONEST ABOUT THAT. I'M OKAY WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS. SEVEN DAYS SEEMS A LITTLE TIGHT, BUT I ALSO RECOMMEND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THA. TO YOUR POINT, IF IT WERE 70 DAYS, THAT MIGHT NOT BE LONG ENOUGH IN SOME CASES. I UNDERSTAND THERE HAS TO BE A FIRM TIMELINE. I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT SEVEN IS THE ANSWER. I'D LOVE TO HEAR SOME OF YOU ALL WEIGH IN ON THAT. AND BUT YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS. MAYOR. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. LET'S GET SOME SOME OF THE DIRECTIONS OUT OF THE WAY BEFORE I ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS. THE EARLIER SLIDE WHERE YOU ASKED FOR COORDINATION? ABSOLUTELY, YES. THE DEVELOPMENT OF TOOLS. I THINK THAT WILL BE CRITICAL. SO PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE KEEP DOING THAT. THE TRACKING. YES, I CONCUR THAT WE NEED TO GET THE HISTORICAL DATA INTO YOUR TRACKING SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE DEVELOPING THE PROGRAMING OF WORKFLOWS AND MAKING THAT MORE STREAMLINED AND MORE EVIDENT TO THE, TO THE, THE PUBLIC.

ABSOLUTELY, YES. NOW, STREAMLINING ITSELF, I HAVE THE SAME QUALM AND ISSUE. YOU, YOU WE LACK TRACKING DATA. WE LACK HISTORICAL DATA. WE'VE SAID THAT WE'RE NOT CLEAR ON HOW LONG IT TAKES TO DO SOME OF THESE ACTIVITIES IN A SYSTEMATIC WAY, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN TRACKING IT. SO I HAVE THE SAME QUALM THAT THAT THE SEVEN DAY QUALM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE KNOW TO SET A GOAL OF SEVEN DAYS OR NOT THAT THAT I I'M GOING TO SAY JUST TO GET THAT ITEM OUT OF THE WAY UNTIL WE HAVE TRACKING DATA FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, SIX MONTHS A YEAR, I CAN'T I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT TIMELINE. THE PROCESS OF HAVING A TIMELINE, YES. BUT THAT THAT SPECIFIC ONE I'M NOT ON BOARD WITH. NOW, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE ONE OF THE EARLIER SLIDES WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT REDISTRIBUTING SERVICES FROM FROM POLICE TO MOVING THE CIVILIAN AROUND, IT GOES TO THE QUESTION I ASKED MADISON, WHAT IF HOW ARE WE GOING TO? WE SAID, WE SAID IN YOUR PRESENTATION, AND I B YOU COMMUNICATE WITH ME THE OTHER DAY THAT WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE OUR OUR CIVILIAN PERSONNEL GO OUT ON CALLS, RESPOND TO CALLS, BE INVOLVED IN ALL THE CALLS. BUT IF WE HAVE FIVE, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE? THERE ARE FOUR CLINICIANS. AND THEN THE SUPERVISOR OF THAT WORK GROUP IS ALSO A CERTIFIED CLINICIAN. SO THE COMBINED TEAM IS FIVE FIVE MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS. AND NOW I KNOW THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE PAIRING UP DURING BUSINESS HOURS AS OFTEN AS THEY'RE ABLE TO. BUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT. BUT IF WE IF WE IF WE MOVE THAT WE'LL, WE'LL I KNOW WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE COORDINATION, BUT I WORRY THAT WHAT WE'RE REALLY GOING TO DO IS ARE NOT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. I GUESS I SHOULD ASK IN TERMS OF A QUESTION, HOW DO WE RESPOND IF WE IF WE START GETTING LOTS AND LOTS OF CALLS TO THE FIVE IN WHATEVER LOCATION THAT WE ENSCONCE THEM IN SO THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR HUNDREDS OF CALLS THAT WE RESPOND TO IN A DAY END UP THOSE THOSE POOR FIVE ARE ARE WORKED TO THE BONE AND ESPECIALLY SOME OF OUR ISSUES

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ARE OUTSIDE OF BUSINESS HOURS. SO HOW WHAT IS OUR EXPECTATIONS IN RESPONSE TO THIS PARSING OF CIVILIAN AND LAW ENFORCEMENT RATIOS AND RESPONSE FACTORS. SO THE CLINICIANS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DECOUPLED FROM THE OFFICERS AS PART OF THE TRANSITION FROM CERT TO THE OUTREACH TEAM, WE WOULD LOOK TO PROBABLY VERY CLOSELY MIRROR THE WAY THEY OPERATE NOW. AND DC WILL CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO KIND OF THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS AND, AND THE SUFFICIENCY OF THOSE FOUR FIVE CLINICIANS TO RESPOND TO THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY IF YOU WANT TO. SO FOR A LITTLE HISTORICAL CONTEXT PREVIOUSLY BEFORE THIS YEAR. SO UP UNTIL JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, A CLINICIAN, A MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIAN WAS ASSIGNED TO AN OFFICER. AND THEY WROTE AS A TWO PERSON UNIT TO RESPOND TO MENTAL HEALTH CALLS. THE CLINICIANS INITIALLY WERE BROUGHT INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THAT THAT ARRANGEMENT WAS ORGANIZED TO WORK WITH AN OFFICER SPECIFICALLY FOR RESPONDING TO MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS CALL TYPE CALLS. EARLIER THIS YEAR. AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS, OUR OUR ISSUES WITH HOMELESSNESS IN THE CITY, WE SEE THAT THERE IS A AN OVERLAP, A SIGNIFICANT OVERLAP BETWEEN PEOPLE THAT ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND THEY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH DRUG AND ALCOHOL ADDICTION. THEY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH MENTAL DISORDER. SO MOVING FORWARD INTO THIS YEAR, WHAT WE DID WAS INSTEAD OF HAVING OUR TWO HOMELESS OUTREACH OFFICERS TO COVER THE ENTIRE CITY, AS FAR AS PD OUTREACH GOES, AND HAVING THESE THESE FOUR MENTAL HEALTH CERT OFFICERS, WE COMBINE THOSE FUNCTIONS BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THEY'RE PLAYING BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE ANYWAY, BECAUSE THERE WAS SUCH A CORRELATION BETWEEN THE TWO, THE TWO GROUPS TO MAKE JUST A PD OUTREACH. WHEN WE DID THAT, WE DID, LIKE JESSE SAID, DECOUPLE THE CLINICIANS FROM THEIR PARTNER. SO WE HAD A BANK OF CLINICIANS THAT WERE WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING FOLLOW UP WORK FOR BOTH THE MENTAL HEALTH ASPECTS AND WORKING WITH THE CASE MANAGEMENT THAT WAS ASSIGNED, PREVIOUSLY ASSIGNED TO HOMELESS OUTREACH TO GET PEOPLE CONNECTED TO SERVICES, WHATEVER THOSE SERVICES MAY BE. MENTAL HEALTH, HOMELESSNESS, RESOURCES, WHATEVER. SO GOING FORWARD, AS JESSE MENTIONED, THAT WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF PULLED THOSE TWO APART. IT'S ALLOWED US TO SINCE THE OFFICERS ARE PLAYING BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE, THEY CAN RESPOND MORE FLUIDLY TO THE SITUATION, WHETHER IT'S JUST A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE, WHETHER IT'S A HOMELESSNESS ISSUE. THE CLINICIANS CAN ALSO RESPOND AS NEEDED. SPECIFICALLY, AS FAR AS RESPONDING TO THE CALLS, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE CLINICIANS WORKING IN COMMUNITY SERVICES, THEY'RE WORKING THERE BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE MAY BE A GREATER OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO MAKE THOSE CONTACTS WORKING IN COMMUNITY SERVICES THAT ARE GOING OUT AND DOING THE INITIAL STAGES OF THE OUTREACH AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SPECIFICALLY ON THE RESPONSE THAT HE HE MENTIONED, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS RESPONDING TO PEOPLE IN CRISIS. AS WE WENT THROUGH THESE PROCESSES, WE EVALUATED OUR OUR RESPONSES AND HOW WE CAN BETTER THOSE RESPONSES, BOTH FOR THE SWORN PERSONNEL AND FOR THE CLINICIANS, FOR BOTH SIDES OF OUR EQUATION HERE. MENTAL HEALTH AND HOMELESSNESS. ONE THING I MADE SURE I HIGHLIGHTED AS WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT WANT TO LOSE THE CAPABILITY TO HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIAN RESPOND TO SOMEBODY IN CRISIS. AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESPONDING TO CALLS, THAT'S THAT'S PRIMARILY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, IS HAVING A CLINICIAN AVAILABLE TO RESPOND WITH AN OFFICER WHEN NECESSARY TO DE-ESCALATE SOME KIND OF PERSON IN IN MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. I KNOW I APPRECIATE ALL THOSE RESPONSES AND NOT TO GET INTO THE BUDGET NITTY GRITTY, BUT YOU'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS LIKE THAT ALREADY. OUR OUR CIVILIAN PERSONNEL IN THE POLICE BUDGET OR IN THE, IN THE, THE, THE CITY MANAGER GLOBAL BUDGET. THE TRANSITION IS BEING WORKED ON AT THIS POINT, AS WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE MIGHT GO, THAT WE'RE EXPLORING THOSE THOSE OPTIONS RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE IN THE POLICE BUDGET STILL CURRENTLY. YES. YES OKAY. GO AHEAD. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THERE WOULD THERE WOULDN'T BE A BUDGETARY IMPACT. IT WOULD JUST BE MOVING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF AUTHORIZED SPEND FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO COMMUNITY SERVICES, WHICH IS COMMENSURATE WITH THEIR SALARIES. SO THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COST OR IMPACT TO BUDGET. COUNCILMEMBER BECK BOTH BOTH ARE BUDGETED IN THE GENERAL FUND, SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE AN OVERALL IMPACT. IT'S JUST MOVING ONE GROUP INTO THE OTHER DIVISION. BUT OVERALL FUNDED FROM GENERAL FUND. OKAY.

APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU EVERYONE. I, I GUESS AS LONG AS WE'RE WILLING TO FOCUS ON THE.

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THE DELIVERABLES OF THE SEPARATION AND HAVING THAT THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT NOT A DEGRADATION OF SERVICE, I GUESS I'M OKAY WITH, WITH TRYING THAT. I JUST HAVE QUALMS. BUT I GUESS WE CAN WE CAN TRY THAT IN TERMS OF MY RECOMMENDATION A LUKEWARM. YES. AND THEN MY, MY LAST QUESTION WAS ON THE TOWARDS THE ENCAMPMENT REQUEST, AND I LIKE THE, THE, THE NATURE OF DESIGNING WORKFLOWS AND PROCEDURES THAT YOU DESCRIBE IN THIS SLIDE. THE QUESTION I HAVE GOES TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE HEARD EARLIER ON NOTIFICATION AND STORAGE. IN THAT TIME, I UNDERSTAND HAVING A WORKFLOW VERSUS NOT HAVING A WORKFLOW ALLOWS YOU TO ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS OF NOTIFICATION, TIMING AND STORAGE IS NOT REALLY IN THAT, BUT IT COULD BE INCORPORATED IN THE WORKFLOW. I'M I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIMING AND FREQUENCY OF, YOU KNOW, GIVEN OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS QUESTIONS THAT WE HEARD BEFORE ABOUT GIVING PEOPLE NOT CREATING ADDITIONAL BARRIERS THAT WOULD MAKE THEM NOT SEEK DIVERSION, NOT SEEK SERVICE TO RUN FROM THOSE BECAUSE THEY THEY FEEL IT FOR THE SAME REASON THAT THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE AUDIT WAS NOT TO BE PUNITIVE IN THE SHELTER. THIS IS A SIMILAR SORT OF THING. WE WANT TO AVOID HAVING PEOPLE RUN FROM DIVERSION. AND SO IF WE CAN HAVE MORE NOTIFICATION OF WHEN THINGS ARE HAPPENING AND HAVE THAT SEPARATED, AND SO IT'S NOT INSTANTANEOUS AND A SURPRISE THAT THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE ADOPTION OF DIVERSIONARY PATHWAYS. AND THE STORAGE IS THE SIMILAR THING. IT THIS THIS ISN'T THIS ISN'T AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO CODDLE ANYONE. IT IS AN ATTEMPT TO SAVE COSTS BY DIVERTING RATHER THAN CRISIS RESPONSE. SO IN TERMS OF THE ENCAMPMENT, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE IF WE DON'T WORK SOME OF THAT IN, I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN SUPPORT THAT. I DON'T KNOW, I THINK I NEED MORE DATA, I THINK I COULD GET TO SUPPORT, BUT MAYBE IF I IF I MAY. SURE. SO I THINK THAT I AGREE WITH YOU. WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A SYSTEM THAT'S PUNITIVE OR THAT PUTS PEOPLE AWAY FROM DIVERSION. WE'RE COMPLETELY FOCUSED ON GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. THAT'S FOR THE STREET OUTREACH FOR ENCAMPMENT, CLEANUP, FOR THE SHELTER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE BRINGING ARE ALL FOCUSED ON ENSURING THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. I THINK ONE PIECE THAT HADN'T EXISTED PREVIOUSLY THAT THAT OUR PROCESS DOES HELP WITH, IS THAT KIND OF SUDDENNESS THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT, WHERE PEOPLE DIDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT IT WAS COMING BY DOING A BETTER JOB OF BEING COORDINATED, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT OUR STREET OUTREACH PARTNERS WILL KNOW WHEN AN ENCAMPMENT IS GOING TO BE CLEANED UP, WHEN THINGS ARE GOING TO BE MOVED, AND WHEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LEAVING. BUT IT ALSO PROVIDES MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES FROM THAT KIND OF INITIAL ENGAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THE TIME BEFORE THE ENCAMPMENT IS CLEANED UP AND WHEN AN ENCAMPMENT IS CLEANED UP TO CONNECT WITH DIVERSION SERVICES OR TO CONNECT WITH RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. AND ONE THING SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TIMELINES I WANT TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS, OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE ABOUT 18 DAYS TO ADDRESS AN ENCAMPMENT. THAT'S A SEVEN DAY EDUCATIONAL PERIOD. THROUGH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS, THERE'S A SEVEN DAY EDUCATIONAL PERIOD WHERE WE LET THEM KNOW ABOUT IT. HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN DO. HERE'S SOME RESOURCES. A TEN DAY NOTICE PERIOD FOR THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. AND THEN A 24 HOUR FINAL WARNING. AND THEN WE WILL SCHEDULE A WORK ORDER AS THE CITY AND CONDUCT A CLEANUP. NO, THAT'S THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. I APPRECIATE THE BREAK BREAKDOWN. IF WHAT'S OUR TRANSITION PLAN FOR GOING INTO THE RECOMMENDED OPERATIONS? HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO ROLL THAT OUT INSTANTLY OR GOING TO TRANSITION IS THE IS THE RECOMMENDATION? I KNOW YOU'RE ASKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WE'RE KIND OF IN A NEBULOUS STATE AT THE MOMENT. BUT WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR HOW FAST WE WILL ROLL OUT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IF APPROVED. SO THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING COORDINATION AND TOOLS, WE FELT CONFIDENT THAT COUNCIL WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF DOING A BETTER JOB WORKING TOGETHER. SO WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK ON ON THAT ASPECT THAT'S ALREADY UNDERWAY. LOOKING TO STREAMLINE THE ENCAMPMENT CLEANUP PROCESS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE WE'D BE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT RIGHT AWAY. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS, AND THAT'S ON THE SLIDE, I CAN GO BACK TO IT. THAT HAS TO DO WITH WITH CLEANUP IS IT'S REALLY

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DICTATED BY OUR ABILITY TO SCHEDULE A WORK ORDER TO COME OUT AND CONDUCT A CLEANUP. OUR CONTRACTOR MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE AVAILABILITY. SO SEVEN DAYS IS KIND OF A GOAL THAT WE'D LIKE TO ACHIEVE, BUT IT MAY NOT BE REALISTIC BASED ON THE OPERATIONAL KIND OF CONSTRAINTS AT THE TIME. SEVEN DAYS IS WHAT WE THINK THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE RIGHT NOW. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE TECHNICAL SUPPORT, WE'D HAVE TO EXPLORE WHAT THOSE THOSE PROCESSES WOULD LOOK LIKE, PROBABLY OVER THE NEXT YEAR, ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT RUNNING AFOUL OF ANY SORT OF LEGAL CONCERNS, MAKING SURE THAT WE DEVELOP A PROGRAM RESPONSIBLY, GET STAKEHOLDER INPUT. I GUESS IF AS LONG AS WE COME BACK SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, WITH LOTS OF LOTS OF TOUCH POINTS AND GIVE COUNCIL LOTS OF FEEDBACK, I GUESS I CAN I CAN EXPLORE THAT THESE THESE CHANGES, YOU KNOW, GIVEN GIVEN MY CONCERNS AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, OF THINGS WE SHOULD AVOID.

BUT YEAH, I'LL GIVE THAT ANOTHER LUKEWARM APPROVAL. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, I'M IN AGREEMENT FOR SOMETHING TO BE DONE. AND IT HAS TO BE DONE RIGHT AWAY, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO ENCAMPMENT. THOSE PICTURES UP THERE WERE VERY DISTURBING, AND I AM JUST WONDERING, IS, IS DOES IT HAVE TO GET TO THAT STATE BEFORE SOMETHING IS DONE, OR IS THERE ANOTHER QUICKER STATE OF MIND YOU KNOW OF BEFORE THIS GETS TO THIS POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REACHED, YOU SEE IT, YOU TURN IT IN, IT COULD IT'S THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PERSON THAT'S TURNING IT IN. USING ENGAGE DIDN'T JUST SEE SOMETHING OUT THERE. AND IT'S REALLY NOT THAT MUCH, YOU KNOW LIKE IT JUST STARTED TALK TO ME ABOUT WHERE IN THIS SCHEME THAT THIS WOULD COME INTO PLAY. AND ALSO AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, ONCE IT'S ALL CLEANED UP, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST SET UP FOR THE NEXT GROUP TO COME IN. AND THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT. AND SO THE QUESTION ALSO BECOMES, DO WE JUST SEE CERTAIN PLACES WHERE IT'S BEEN CLEANED UP. ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS ARE CLEANED UP. YOU GOT A BIG OPEN SPACE. WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH THAT. HOW DO WE HOW DO WE KNOW TO KEEP AN EYE ON IT? WHAT ARE WE THINKING IN THAT REGARD. SO A COUPLE QUESTIONS. YES. ON THE FIRST POINT DOES IT HAVE TO GET TO THE POINT. IT IS HERE. NO, IT DOES NOT. FOLKS CAN REPORT ESPECIALLY PEOPLE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. THEY CAN. THE SECOND THAT SOMEONE SETS UP A SLEEPING BAG ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEY CAN ADDRESS IT. IT'S THERE.

THERE IS A LOT OF TRASH AND DEBRIS IN THE PICTURES. I THINK IF YOU THINK ABOUT KIND OF EACH OF US, WE HAVE OUR TRASH TAKEN AWAY BY BY OUR DENTON SOLID WASTE EVERY, EVERY WEEK. AND IF YOU WEREN'T HAVING THAT SERVICE, YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT OF TRASH AT THE END OF EACH WEEK. SURE, IT CAN KIND OF GROW THAT WAY. SO NO, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GET TO THIS POINT. WE CAN ADDRESS IT MORE QUICKLY, ESPECIALLY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS. YOU REMIND ME THE SECOND PART. YEAH. GO AHEAD. I WOULD REMIND YOU OF THE SECOND PART. OH I'M SORRY. NO. JUST KNOWING THAT IT'S A AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS THE SEVEN DAYS I WILL I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST A JUMP OFF POINT. YOU KNOW, SEVEN DAYS SOUNDS FAIRLY REASONABLE TO ME. THE QUICKER THE BETTER, I THINK. AND THE OTHER PART WAS JUST REALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST SETTING IT UP FOR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, JUST THE NEXT GROUP OF FOLKS TO COME IN AND SET UP SHOP. IT SOUNDS LIKE IF IT GETS TO THAT POINT, IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE. SO HOW DO YOU ALL ARE GOING TO ASSIST IN ADDRESSING SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, THE GOAL WITH WITH BEING MORE STRIDENT ABOUT THE ENCAMPMENTS IS THAT THEY DON'T GET TO THIS POINT. IF WE ARE ADDRESSING THEM IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER, THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REACH THIS LEVEL. AND SO THE COST AND THE IMPACT OF CLEANING IT UP IS LOWER AS FAR AS PREVENTING REOCCURRENCE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN DO BETTER. PART OF THE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE WE WANT TO PROVIDE TO PROPERTY OWNERS IS LETTING THEM KNOW HOW THEY CAN KIND OF MANAGE THE VEGETATION ON THEIR PROPERTY TO MAKE IT A LESS ATTRACTIVE CAMPING SITE. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S AN ENCAMPMENT PLACE THAT'S HAD A LOT OF PRIVATE IN IT, IF YOU CAN CLEAR OUT THE PRIVATE, YOU CAN MAKE IT LESS EASY TO HIDE. TO COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND'S POINT, IT'S A LESS ATTRACTIVE CAMPING SITE. THEY'RE LESS LIKELY TO RETURN, BUT IT IS A DIFFICULT PROBLEM. OKAY, ARE

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YOU ALL WORKING WITH ANY OF THE LOCAL RETAILERS THAT HAVE THOSE BASKETS? I SEE A LOT OF TARGET BASKETS HANGING OUT ALL DAY. I KNOW THAT KROGER'S HAS PUT SOME THINGS IN PLACE TO, YOU KNOW, PREVENT THE FOOD CONTAINERS FROM, YOU KNOW, GOING OFF THE PROPERTY, HOW, HOW HOW ARE THEY GOING TO BE CONNECTED TO THIS PROJECT AS WELL? WE HAVEN'T STARTED WORKING WITH WITH RETAILERS THAT HAVE THE SHOPPING CARTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM, BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY ENSURE THAT WE'RE INCLUDING THAT IN OUR RESOURCE GUIDE THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. FOR THOSE LARGE RETAILERS THAT DO HAVE THOSE BASKETS, MAYBE SOME TIPS AND TRICKS TO HELP AVOID THEIR BASKETS BEING STOLEN. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. OKAY, ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. I KNOW WE DON'T AT THIS POINT. WE HAVEN'T PUT THE DATA TOGETHER TO SEE WHERE DO PEOPLE GO. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET THEM TO GO. SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY'RE YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST CHASING THEM FROM PLACE TO PLACE. BUT DO WE, DO WE ALSO KNOW WHERE THEY DO WE ALSO NOT KNOW WHERE THEY'RE FROM. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, DO WE HAVE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THIS IS ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE SHELTER POPULATION IN TERMS OF BEING HOW MUCH THEY'RE NOT FROM DENTON COUNTY OR DENTON? I DON'T KNOW. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ARE WE'VE IMPLEMENTED WITH THAT TRACKING TOOL TO START COLLECTING INFORMATION INCLUDES WHERE HOW DID YOU COME TO DENTON, OR WHY DID YOU CHOOSE TO COME TO DENTON IF YOU DID, HAVE YOU BEEN HERE YOUR WHOLE TIME? I BELIEVE THAT THE POPULATION IS PROBABLY SIMILAR TO THE SHELTER, BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS SOME OVERLAP BETWEEN WHO STAYS AT THE SHELTER FOR ONE PERIOD OF TIME AND THEN WHO IS OUT IN AN ENCAMPMENT IN ANOTHER PERIOD OF TIME. SO I DON'T KNOW YET. WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THAT INFORMATION, BUT I SUSPECT THAT THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD GUESS FOR YOU. WELL, YOU KNOW, I'D SAY THAT IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE TAKING ON THE SORT OF MANAGEMENT OF THE PROCESS, BUT WE SHOULD PUT AT LEAST EQUAL ENERGY INTO FINDING WHETHER SOMEBODY HAS CRACKED THIS CODE, HAS CRACKED THE PROBLEM OF, OF THE, YOU KNOW, DEMAND COMING FROM OUTSIDE OUR COMMUNITY AND HOW HOW THEY GET PEOPLE REHOMED OR, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY INCLUDE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN DEALING WITH THE ISSUE. IF NOT, THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP COMING. AND IF WE GET BETTER AT CHASING THEM AROUND, THEN YOU'LL HAVE MORE. YOU WILL TALLY MORE CLEANUPS. WE MAY BE DRIVING OUR OWN ACTIVITY. WE DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S TRUE. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW, RIGHT? UNTIL WE FIND OUT. YEAH. YES, SIR. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR AND FIVE. THANK YOU. FOLLOWING UP ON COUNCIL MEMBER BIRD'S COMMENT, IS THERE ANY EFFORT MADE TO RETURN SHOPPING CARTS TO THE LIKELY OWNER? I MEAN, IF IT SAYS TARGET ON IT, IT PROBABLY BELONGS TO TARGET. IF IT SAYS KROGER ON IT, IT PROBABLY BELONGS TO KROGER. ANY EFFORT MADE TO RETURN THOSE? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO RETURN PROPERTY TO THE RIGHT PROPERTY OWNER IF WE KNOW IT'S. I THINK THAT'S A FAIR, FAIR ASSESSMENT. IF IT SAYS TARGETS, PROBABLY TARGET, WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN WORK ON THAT. THANK YOU. MAYOR. PRESIDENT. DISTRICT FIVE.

JESSIE, IF YOU NEED A TRUCK, HE DRIVES A TRUCK THAT'S RIGHT AROUND. YOU'RE ENLISTED. OKAY. I BELIEVE MISS JESTER ALLUDED TO THIS EARLIER. MAYOR PRO TEM JUST ALLUDED TO IT. I'D LOVE TO SEE DATA WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH OTHER CITIES IN THE COUNTY, WHAT THEY'RE DOING, HOW MUCH THEY'RE SPENDING ON CLEANUPS, HOW OFTEN THEY'RE CLEANING UP PARTICULAR PROPERTIES, WHAT THEIR TRACKING SYSTEM IS FOR THIS STUFF. I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT DATA IS GOING ON IS BEING COLLECTED FROM OUR PARTNER CITIES. AND COMPARING THAT TO WHERE WE ARE HERE IN DENTON. AND LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS. SO WE TRAVELED TO A COUPLE OF CONFERENCES EVERY YEAR, RIGHT? DOCTOR BECK, I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS, SO WE'VE GOT DRONE TECHNOLOGY THAT IS LITERALLY COUNTING TREES. IS THERE NO CAPACITY FOR DRONE TECHNOLOGY THAT IS FLYING OVER THE CITY TO START LOOKING AND TRACKING THE LOCATIONS OF SOME OF THESE, THESE ENCAMPMENTS? HAS ANYONE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? I'M SURE THEY HAVE, RIGHT. I HAVEN'T BEEN A PART OF ANY CONVERSATIONS AROUND DRONE TRACKING. IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO AND WORKING WITH OUR STREET OUTREACH PARTNERS. WHAT ARE THE TOOLS THAT THEY COULD FIND HELPFUL TO BETTER LOCATE OR CONNECT WITH THEIR CLIENTS? ONE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU OFTEN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING WORKING WITH SOMEONE, YOU KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT ONE DAY, AND THEN THE NEXT DAY THEY'RE GONE AND YOU NEED TO

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SPEND TIME FINDING THEM. AND SO MAYBE TOOLS LIKE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN IDENTIFYING WHERE CLIENTS ARE LOCATED. OKAY, I'M NOT JUST NECESSARILY TALKING ABOUT CLIENTS. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ENCAMPMENTS THEMSELVES. IT SEEMS TO ME, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE MORE GROTESQUE PICTURES THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN, SOME OF THIS STUFF CAN BE SEEN FROM THE AIR. IF WE CAN GO AND TRACK THE SIZE OF TREES WHEN WE'RE COUNTING, WHEN WE'RE CALCULATING TREE CANOPY THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND THE TYPE OF TREE WHEN WE'RE CALCULATING TREE CANOPY, I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN'T ALSO SPOT SOME OF THESE THINGS AS WELL. I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT. AND MAYBE WORKING WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE TREE CANOPY SURVEYS, THAT MIGHT BE A GREAT WAY TO KIND OF KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE THERE AND GET THAT INFORMATION. WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT. THANK YOU.

JESSE. YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. I'LL TRY TO MACHINE GUN THROUGH THESE. I DO THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION. ABOUT 49 PEOPLE PLACED. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE MORE WE CAN AMPLIFY THAT DATA, THE BETTER OFF WE ARE. I THINK. THEN. MR. CITY ATTORNEY. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE VARYING DEGREES FROM THE CITY OF DENTON'S PERSPECTIVE AS AN ENTITY? SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT ARE THE VARYING DEGREES OF PRIVATE PROPERTY? FROM A CITY CHARTER PERSPECTIVE? FROM AN ORDINANCE PERSPECTIVE, WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT DEGREES OF PRIVATE PROPERTY? I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS KIND OF A LAW SCHOOL TYPE OF TAKE A FEE. SIMPLE. THE CITY OWNS EVERYTHING TOP AND BOTTOM. IT'S OUR PROPERTY. THERE'S ALSO MORE OF A HYBRID SCENARIO WHERE WE HAVE LIKE A RIGHT OF WAY, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE WE OWN THE UNDERLYING FEE OR THE PROPERTY OWNER OWNS THE UNDERLYING FEE, BUT WE HAVE THE EASEMENTS RIGHT OF WAY INTEREST ON TOP OF THAT PROPERTY. IN THAT SCENARIO, BOTH THE CITY AND THE UNDERLYING PROPERTY OWNER BOTH HAVE AN INTEREST IN THAT PROPERTY AS WELL. AND SO THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT OUR OUR STREETS AND PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS ARE, ARE THAT TYPE OF SCENARIO. IT'S KIND OF A HYBRID. WE HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY INTEREST, BUT THERE'S STILL AN UNDERLYING OWNER THAT OWNS THE MINERALS AND HAS AN INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY. SO BUT WHERE I'M GOING IS IF I HAVE A HOUSE ON MY PROPERTY, THAT'S MY PRIVATE PROPERTY. SURE. IF I HAVE JUST A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH NO HOUSE ON IT, THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY IN THE CITY'S EYES, RIGHT? SO FOR THE IF I'M GIVING DIRECTION FOR THIS CONVERSATION AND I HEAR JESSE SAY, SOMEONE CAN BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR FILL IN THE BLANK NUMBER OF DAYS, THAT APPLIES TO BOTH THE PROPERTY WITH THE HOUSE AND THE VACANT PROPERTY. WELL, YEAH. AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED PER SE TO DO THAT. THAT'S JUST OUR NOTIFICATION TIMELINE FOR GETTING ANY KIND OF CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATION REMEDIED. RIGHT. SO YEAH, I APOLOGIZE IF I STATED THAT THAT'S. NO, YOU DIDN'T. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, I BELIEVE THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION THAT SAYS, HEY, THIS IS AN OPEN FIELD. WE CAN HAVE DIFFERENT RULES THAT APPLY TO IT VERSUS SOMEONE'S HOUSE. SO IF WE SAY SOMEONE CAN BE IN AN EMPTY FIELD FOR X AMOUNT OF DAYS, SOMEONE CAN CAMP IN FRONT OF A HOUSE FOR X AMOUNT OF DAYS.

PRIVATE, RIGHT? THIS IS NOT PUBLIC. SO PRIVATE PROPERTY IF WE CAN REMOVE SOMEONE, ASK SOMEONE, BE REMOVED FROM OUR HOME IMMEDIATELY. WE CAN ASK OUR ARRANGE FOR SOMEONE TO BE REMOVED FROM PRIVATE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY. OR AM I WRONG AS I UNDERSTAND? THAT'S CORRECT, THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND SO I THINK THAT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT CONTEXT THAT WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHAPE AND SHIFT THE RULES WE MAKE. IT HAS THE UNIVERSALLY GENERALLY APPLIED TO THE CITY OF DENTON. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CONTEXT. SO UNDER THAT AND LET ME JUST JUMP RIGHT TO THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S NOTEWORTHY. CHIEF, CAN YOU COME UP, PLEASE? CHIEF HEDGES. YEAH. COME ON. AND THEN YOU'RE ON DECK. SO, SO BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POPULATION THAT YOU DEAL WITH, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR DEPARTMENT DEALS WITH, YOU'RE TRANSPORTING MORE. IT'S MORE FREQUENTLY THAN POLICE IS TRANSPORTING. IS THAT IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'D BE HARD TO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR TRANSPORT RATE IS. YEAH. BUT TO GET PEOPLE TO THE I'M CERTAIN YOU TAKE MORE PEOPLE TO THE HOSPITAL. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. AND SO THAT GIVES A LEVEL OF IDENTIFICATION THAT IF POLICE IS JUST VISITING A ENCAMPMENT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT SAME LEVEL. PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. THERE'S NOT THE SAME NEED TO TALK TO THE HOSPITAL TO GET A NAME, TO GET THOSE THINGS. THE POLICE DON'T HAVE ACCESS, DON'T HAVE A NEED AS OFTEN FOR THAT, MY UNDERSTANDING. BUT YOU TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. ON OUR SIDE, IT'S THE MEDICAL REPORTS, SO IT'S USUALLY THE NAME. PROVIDED WE TRY TO GET A

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PHYSICAL ADDRESS. WE ARE ACTUALLY USING GPS COORDINATES. SO LATITUDE AND LONGITUDE AS WELL. SO WITH OUR TRANSPORTS AND THEN SOME NON TRANSPORT. SO IF WE GO OUT IT'S REALLY A NON-EMERGENCY PERSON JUST WANTS TO ASSESS THEM. WE CHECK THEM OUT. THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE TRANSPORTED. WE STILL HAVE COMPLETE DOCUMENTATION ON THAT. SO YES EVERYBODY WE ENGAGE WITH WE DO HAVE TO ASK YOU DO SOME TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION. YEAH. SO THAT STANDS THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION OKAY CHIEF. THANK YOU. SO AND IN YOUR INSTANCE IT'S WELL DOCUMENTED THAT THERE'S A THERE'S A PERCEIVED OR REAL NEGATIVE CONNOTATION. SO YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO BE AGGRESSIVE WITH PEOPLE. I'M ASSUMING MOST OFTEN YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO ENGAGE AND SAY, HEY IS EVERYBODY OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE BACK OR YOU'RE NOT ENGAGING WITH PEOPLE THE SAME WAY AS TRANSPORTING THEM. THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. YEAH.

YEAH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE. IDEA OF THE PD OUTREACH IS TO CONNECT PEOPLE TO THE GREATER SERVICES THAT WE HAVE HERE THROUGH COMMUNITY SERVICES, THROUGH THE SHELTER, THROUGH WHATEVER NONPROFIT. SO IN THAT EFFORT, YES. THEY'RE NOT GOING IN THERE, YOU KNOW, GIVE ME YOUR GIVE ME YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE OR ID. YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT ENGAGE AT THAT LEVEL. THEY IT'S MORE OF A CAN I GET YOU CONNECTED TO SERVICES AS OPPOSED TO A LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTION, I GUESS IS THE BEST WAY TO PUT THAT 100%. THAT MAKES SENSE. AND SO TO DO THE ALTERNATIVE, THE OPPOSITE OF THAT, WHICH IS START ID'ING PEOPLE IS GOING TO HAVE NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES. AND THAT'S WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO DO. THAT'S GREAT. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS. AND THE NEGATIVE EFFECT OF THAT THAT'S NOT BEING TALKED ABOUT. IT'S ALL JUST KIND OF OH, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE SOME MAGICAL NUMBER. WELL, OKAY, WE CAN GET THAT NUMBER. BUT BUT THERE'S A THERE'S A CONSEQUENCE TO THAT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH I APPRECIATE IT JESSE. IN THE QUESTIONS JUST BE I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS A QUESTION. IT'S JUST IMPORTANT FOR ME TO NOTE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DATES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TIME AND AN ENCAMPMENT. I THINK IT'S ONE, ONE ONE ISSUE. SAFETY IS A CORE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY OF DENTON THAT I TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY. AND TO HAVE A STORY ABOUT, AND LET ME MAKE SURE I GET MY DATES RIGHT. SO ON JANUARY 2ND, 2025, PEDRO TORRES JUNIOR WAS ACCUSED OF ATTACKING A SEVEN YEAR OLD GIRL AT NORTHLAKE PARK. RIGHT. SO WHEN WE'RE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU USE THE WORD ENCAMPMENT, BUT YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT IN GREATER DETAIL TO DIVE DOWN INTO THAT ON JULY 7TH, 2024, DYLAN GURLEY WAS FOUND DECEASED AND MICHAEL TULLEY WAS CHARGED WITH HOMICIDE. AND THAT WAS AN ENCAMPMENT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE FROM THE SHELTER. AND SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THAT THE YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE GLOSSING OVER KIND OF THE SAFETY AND THE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL COMPONENT AND GOING TO SEVEN DAYS IS A LOT CAN HAPPEN IN SEVEN DAYS. I CERTAINLY AGREE THAT WE NEED TO HELP PEOPLE AS BEST WE CAN. WE NEED TO PROVIDE RESOURCES. WE NEED TO GET THEM TO THE SHELTER, THEN HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM TO STEP UP. WE HAVE THE JOBS READY TO WORK PROGRAM. THAT'S AMAZING. GREAT SUCCESS. I COMMEND EVERYONE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND ALL THE PEOPLE DOING GREAT WORK AROUND THAT AND AROUND THESE OTHER INITIATIVES THAT OTHER GROUPS ARE DOING. BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. AND IF WE HAVE IF WE HAVE TO MOVE PEOPLE AROUND MORE FREQUENTLY TO KEEP HOMICIDES FROM HAPPENING, TO KEEP SEVEN YEAR OLD, I HAVE AN EIGHT YEAR OLD. I'M JUST TRYING TO TELL YOU HOW TRAUMATIC THAT IS, RIGHT, I JUST CAN. THAT'S UNCONSCIONABLE TO ME THAT IN ONE OF OUR LARGEST PARKS IN THE CITY OF DENTON, A SEVEN YEAR OLD THAT'S WALKING ON ONE OF OUR TRAILS THAT WE PROVIDE GETS ASSAULTED, THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE. IF IT'S JUST IF IT'S ONE PERSON. AND SO I JUST I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE AND IT'S THE SAME THING. I TALKED TO THE PREVIOUS REPORT. I JUST I'D LIKE TO HAVE US HAVE SOME SUPPLEMENTING REAL OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY CONVERSATIONS. RIGHT. NO ONE'S IT'S NOT GERMANE SPECIFICALLY, BUT IT'S A CHALLENGE. RIGHT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS PAPER PLATES.

RIGHT. PEOPLE AREN'T JUST GOING TO GO GIVE YOU THEIR NAME. THEY'RE YOU KNOW, I CAN I'M SURE THEY HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE THAT GAVE THEM TWO DIFFERENT NAMES. MATTER OF FACT, THEY ARRESTED SOMEBODY THE OTHER DAY THAT GAVE THEM A FALSE NAME. THEY KNEW BETTER. THEY PRESSED THEM ON IT AND THEY ARRESTED THEM ANYWAY. SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT'S THAT'S ISOLATED FROM AN ENCAMPMENT WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO JUST WALK UP? HEY, GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ID, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIKE, HEY, BOB SMITH, NICE TO MEET YOU. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO THESE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE FEEDBACK NEEDS TO BE STEEPED IN REALITY SO THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH POLICIES THAT FIT WHAT WE'RE THE CHALLENGES WE FACE. AND THEN I AGREE

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WHOLEHEARTEDLY ON THE EDUCATION COMPONENT WHEN TO CALL WHO TO CALL FROM A STANDPOINT. BUT BUT MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS IF I HEARD YOU RIGHT, BUSINESS OWNERS PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO WHATEVER RETAIL BIG BOX STORE THIS THAT AND THE OTHER IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO THOSE PEOPLE THAT OWN THAT PROPERTY ARE THE MANAGERS OF THOSE STORES THAT IS INCUMBENT UPON THEM TO CALL US.

SO THERE'S SOMEONE LINGERING OUTSIDE OF A STORE THAT TALKING TO CUSTOMERS, MAKING CUSTOMERS UNCOMFORTABLE. EITHER CUSTOMERS CAN CALL OR THE PROPERTY OWNER, OR THE BUSINESS OWNER CAN MANAGER CAN CALL. BUT THAT'S NOT LIKE A ENGAGE DENTON COMPONENT. OR IS IT? NO, SIR. SO IF SOMEONE FEELS UNSAFE OR THERE'S SOMEONE IN THEIR BUSINESS THAT THEY WOULD FEEL THE NEED TO TRESPASS, THEY SHOULD CALL THE POLICE NON-EMERGENCY LINE. OKAY. SO OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, IS IT IF THERE IS A NO TRESPASSING SIGN POSTED, IS IT ILLEGAL TO GO PAST THAT AND DROP OFF MATERIAL? SO IF I HAVE MATERIALS THAT I WANT TO DROP OFF TO AN ENCAMPMENT AND IT'S POSTED NO TRESPASSING, IS IT LEGAL OR ILLEGAL FOR ME TO GO PAST THAT POSTED NO TRESPASSING SIGN AND DROP OFF MATERIALS? IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN POSTED FOR NO TRESPASSING, THEY'RE TELLING ANYBODY IN ALL EVERYBODY THEY SHOULD NOT BE ENTERING THAT PROPERTY. AND SO THERE WOULD BE A BASIS POTENTIALLY TO TRESPASS OR ARREST SOMEONE OFF OF THAT PROPERTY. OKAY. AND. AND JESSIE, I WAS TRYING TO TRACK ALONG WITH YOU. YOU MENTIONED WAS THAT CITY PROPERTY. YOU MENTIONED THE TEN DAYS. SO PRIVATE PROPERTY HAS A TEN DAY NOTICE PERIOD. THAT'S IN LINE WITH OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. THE SEVEN DAYS WAS THE PROPOSED PROCESS FOR CITY OR FOR CITY PROPERTY. SO TEN DAYS, IF THERE'S A VIOLATION FOUND, NOTICE THAT, HEY, YOUR PROPERTY IS IN VIOLATION, NOT TEN DAYS FOR THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO ADDRESS CONCERNS. THAT'S CORRECT. MAYOR PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER COULD IDENTIFY TRASH AND DEBRIS ON THEIR PROPERTY AND CLEAN IT UP THAT AFTERNOON. GOT IT. OKAY. AND I THINK THAT'S LET ME MAKE SURE THAT'S EVERYTHING I HAD. AND WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT PART OF THE PRESENTATION. YES. YEAH.

NO, THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S ALL MY, MY THOUGHTS. AND SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF'S SUGGESTIONS AND I THINK IT'LL, IT'LL MAKE A BIG IMPACT. AND I'M AGAIN I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE DATA WE'VE PROVIDED BECAUSE I WANT TO BE ON THE RECORD IN THE MINORITY. IT SEEMS LIKE. OR MAYBE I HADN'T DONE THE MATH, BUT I DON'T WANT OFFICERS IN ENCAMPMENTS INTERROGATING AND GETTING PEOPLE'S IDS AND DOING ALL THOSE THINGS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY AT THIS PHASE. I THINK WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH GREATER FREQUENCY DOES THE TRICK VERSUS MAYBE AGITATING PEOPLE AND ESCALATING ISSUES UNNECESSARILY. RIGHT. I THINK THE WE WILL WE WILL DRAW, WE WILL HAVE THE EFFECT WE WANT BY MAKING SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE REGULARLY PAYING ATTENTION. WE'RE AND I WOULD JUST SUPPORT 100% ENFORCING NO TRESPASSING TO THE LEVEL OF ABSOLUTE ZERO TOLERANCE. IF IT'S POSTED AND YOU GO ON THERE FOR ANY REASON, YOU'RE SUBJECT TO BE ARRESTED AND THAT THEN THAT MESSAGE GETS OUT BECAUSE THAT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN IF SOMEONE COMES ON MY PROPERTY WHERE I LIVE AND MY FAMILY IS JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A HOUSE THERE, I JUST I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT TO NOT ENFORCE THE ORDINANCES AND LAWS, ETC. SO NEXT PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU MAYOR. YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO GET WE'RE GOING TO GET GOING AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO IT. SO SAVE YOUR QUESTION. YES. AT THE END. THE NEXT PART OF OUR PRESENTATION IS DISCUSSING THE DISCUSSING THE DENTON COMMUNITY SHELTER, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS OUR DAILY BREAD. AND 2020, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE PURCHASE OF THE LOOT 288 PROPERTY, CREATING A DEDICATED SPACE FOR COMPREHENSIVE HOMELESSNESS SERVICES. IT'S A 34,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. IT'S A CO-LOCATED DAY CENTER AND OVERNIGHT SHELTER TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO PEOPLE EXPERIENCING OR AT RISK OF HOMELESSNESS. I'LL BE BRIEF HERE. THE COMMUNITY SHELTER PROVIDES DAY SERVICES, MEALS, CLOTHING. THEY PROVIDE BREAKFAST, LUNCH AND DINNER. IT'S A 24 OVER SEVEN FACILITY, AND THEY HOST A NUMBER OF HOUSING AND EMPLOYMENT PROGRAMS, SUCH AS THE READY FOR WORK PROGRAM THAT YOU MENTIONED. THAT HELPS PROVIDE SKILLS TO INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE A DESIRE TO WORK BUT HAVE EXPERIENCED

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BARRIERS TO EMPLOYMENT. THERE'S CURRENTLY 13 PEOPLE ENROLLED IN THAT PROGRAM. TEN OF THEM ARE EMPLOYED AT THE CITY OF DENTON. EXCELLENT. THEY ALSO WORK WITH THEY HAVE A VOCATIONAL REHABILITATION SERVICE FOR PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY HANDICAPPED GUESTS. IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TEXAS WORKFORCE SOLUTIONS. THERE ARE NINE INDIVIDUALS ENROLLED IN THAT PROGRAM CURRENTLY, AND THEY'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING ON A 55 PLUS PROGRAM FUNDED THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR FOR INDIVIDUALS 55 AND OVER, TO HAVE 20 HOURS A WEEK IN PAID EMPLOYMENT AT ODB, THEY HAVE 20 INDIVIDUALS AT THE SHELTER THAT ARE CURRENTLY ENROLLED IN THAT THAT PROGRAM. SO THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD WORK HAPPENING AT OUR DAILY BREAD. ONE THING THAT I THINK WE WANT TO MAKE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT IS WHAT THE SHELTER IS AND WHAT THE SHELTER IS NOT.

THE SHELTER IS AN OVERNIGHT EMERGENCY SHELTER FOR INDIVIDUALS LOOKING TO PROGRESS OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. IT'S A DAY SHELTER IN A CENTRAL LOCATION FOR SUPPORTIVE SERVICES SUCH AS MEALS, CLOTHING AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S AN INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTER, BUT IT IS NOT, AND IT'S NOT EQUIPPED TO BE A REHAB, MEDICAL AFTERCARE OR MENTAL HEALTH MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY. NOR IS IT A LONG TERM HOUSING SOLUTION. SO JUMPING STRAIGHT INTO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION IS IN LINE WITH ONE OF THE AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS TO TIE OVERNIGHT SHELTER CAPACITY TO CASE MANAGEMENT CAPACITY. AND IF I MAY FOR ONE MOMENT, THE REASON THAT WE'RE MAKING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WHAT IT WILL REQUIRE IS A CHANGE TO THE MSO, THE CONTRACT WITH OUR DAILY BREAD. SO I WILL, JUST LIKE WE DID FOR THE ENCAMPMENT PIECE, I'LL BE PAUSING AT THE END, SUMMARIZING THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND ASKING FOR YOUR DIRECTION TO CHANGE THE CONTRACT. LIMITING THE CASE MANAGEMENT CAPACITY TO AVAILABLE RESOURCES. SO RIGHT NOW THERE ARE A LARGE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE DAILY BREAD, AS YOU HEARD IN THE AUDIT, THAT THAT AREN'T ABLE TO RECEIVE CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICES. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET OUT OF HOMELESSNESS IF YOU ARE NOT RECEIVING SUPPORT IN NAVIGATING THE DIFFERENT PIECES OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, THE BUREAUCRACY, GETTING IDENTIFICATION AND CONNECTING WITH OTHER RESOURCES THAT YOU NEED TO ADDRESS YOUR YOUR BARRIERS TO GETTING OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. CITY STAFF WOULD LIKE TO TEMPORARILY. THIS IS NOT A FOREVER RECOMMENDATION, BUT REDUCED TEMPORARILY TO THE NUMBER OF CASE MANAGERS THAT ARE ON STAFF AT OUR DAILY BREAD. SO CURRENTLY, THAT LIMIT WOULD GO FROM AN AVERAGE NIGHTLY CAPACITY OF 192 INDIVIDUALS TO 119 CLIENTS RECEIVING OVERNIGHT SERVICES. THIS DOES NOT LIMIT THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO COME FOR INCLEMENT WEATHER. SO IN INCLEMENT WEATHER, WE'RE STILL HAVING DOORS WIDE OPEN. ANYONE IS WELCOME TO STAY, BUT WE THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO FOCUS ON GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. WE ONLY HAVE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO DO THIS MUCH REALLY WELL RIGHT NOW, SO WE WANT TO FOCUS ON DOING A GOOD JOB WITH WHAT WE HAVE. IT ALSO PRESENT THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE PARTNER AGENCIES COME IN AND HOUSE INDIVIDUALS AT THE SHELTER, WHERE THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BEFORE. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS ABOUT THIS IS IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE US TO DEVELOP A WAITLIST FOR SHELTER.

SO A WAITLIST TO PRIORITIZE WHO IS RECEIVING ACCESS TO SERVICES, WHO IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO STAY, STAY AT THE SHELTER BASED ON A NUMBER OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DEVELOP WITH THE HOMELESS AND HOUSING, HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS LEADERSHIP TEAM AT UNITED WAY AND THE HOMELESSNESS COALITION. THE NEXT PIECE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A LENGTH OF STAY POLICY. WE BELIEVE THAT LENGTH OF STAY SHOULD BE BASED ON ACCOUNTABILITY FOR PROGRESSING OUT OF HOMELESSNESS FOR INDIVIDUALS. INDIVIDUALS ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR PROGRESSING ON THEIR HOUSING PLAN TO REMAIN AT THE SHELTER, AND THEY SHOULD REMAIN FOCUSED ON THEIR INDIVIDUAL GOALS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN NOVEMBER, AND THAT YOU HEARD IN MADISON'S AUDIT IS INDIVIDUALS SHOULD RECEIVE A HOUSING PLAN WITHIN SEVEN DAYS OF ENTERING THE SHELTER. SO WITHIN SEVEN DAYS OF COMING OFF THAT WAITLIST, ENTERING THE SHELTER AND RECEIVING OVERNIGHT SERVICES, THEY SHOULD HAVE A PLAN TO GET OUT OF HOMELESSNESS AND TO GET TO PERMANENT HOUSING. WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT THAT, AND WE WANT TO CREATE A POLICY THAT REQUIRES PROGRESSION ON THAT HOUSING PLAN TO REMAIN AT THE SHELTER, BECAUSE EVERYONE'S TIME MAY BE DIFFERENT. 120 DAYS BLANKET IS NOT NECESSARILY A GOOD FIT. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO MAKE COME TO THE SHELTER AND THEY RECENTLY BECOME HOMELESS.

THEY STILL HAVE ALL THEIR IDENTIFICATION. THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY RUN INS WITH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. THEY MAY NOT HAVE VERY MANY BARRIERS TO GETTING OUT 120 DAYS PROBABLY ISN'T THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR THEM. ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE MAY BE INDIVIDUALS WITH SIGNIFICANT BARRIERS TO GETTING OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. 120 DAYS IS PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR THEM. IF IT TAKES THEM 200 DAYS TO GET OUT OF THE SHELTER, THAT'S FINE TOO. AS LONG AS WE

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ARE ENSURING THAT PEOPLE ARE WORKING WITH THEIR CASE MANAGER AND THEY ARE PROGRESSING. ONE THING TO NOTE IS WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT DROP OFFS AT THE DENTON COMMUNITY SHELTER. IN 2024, THERE WERE 99 GUESTS THAT WERE DROPPED OFF FROM OUTSIDE OF DENTON BY VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS AND INDIVIDUALS. PEOPLE WHO ARE SENT TO THE SHELTER FROM OUTSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY SHOULD RECEIVE THREE DAYS OF SHELTER AND THEN BE GIVEN A VERY HONEST CONVERSATION ABOUT THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE HERE IN DENTON AND WHAT IS AVAILABLE. THOSE INDIVIDUALS SHOULD BE PROVIDED THE RESOURCES TO RETURN TO THEIR CARE NETWORK OR THEIR COMMUNITY. FROM MAY THROUGH DECEMBER 2024.

OUR DAILY BREAD ASKED FIRST TIME GUESTS, WHAT IS YOUR LAST KNOWN CITY OR ZIP CODE? OF THE ALMOST 500 RESPONSES, LESS THAN 25% OF THEM RESPONDED WITH THE CITY OF DENTON. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO RAISE THE BARRIERS AT OADBY. WE WANT TO REMOVE THE LOW BARRIER LANGUAGE FROM THE CONTRACT THAT CONTINUES TODAY IS CONDITIONAL UPON PERSONAL CONDUCT AND PROGRESSING ON AN INDIVIDUAL'S HOUSING PLAN. INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE NOT ADHERING TO THE CODE OF CONDUCT SHOULD NOT GET THE PRIVILEGE OF STAYING AT THE SHELTER. I THINK FOR US, A BIG DIFFERENCE. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REMOVING THE LOW BARRIER LANGUAGE, AS MADISON TALKED ABOUT IN THE AUDIT. LOW BARRIER MEANS IT'S ALWAYS AVAILABLE. IT'S ALWAYS ACCESSIBLE. THERE ARE NOT ANY PRECONDITIONS FOR ENTRY OR EXCUSE ME AS FEW PRECONDITIONS FOR ENTRY AS POSSIBLE. BEING ON A HOUSING PLAN AND HOLDING INDIVIDUALS ACCOUNTABLE FOR PROGRESSING ON THAT IS NOT A LOW BARRIER PRACTICE. OUR CONTRACT IS NOT IN LINE WITH THAT. WE NEED TO CHANGE IT IF THAT'S OUR GOAL. AND THE LAST RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE CARE AT THE SHELTER. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO WHEN BRINGING OVER THE MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIANS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INTO COMMUNITY SERVICES, IS HAVING ONE OF THOSE CLINICIANS OFFICING OUT OF THE SHELTER. I WILL BE OFFICING OUT OF THE SHELTER FOR DIFFERENT PERIODS OF TIME. I KNOW THAT THE PARAMEDIC LIEUTENANT THAT HAS COME ON, WE'RE EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO SPEND TIME AT THE SHELTER TO PROVIDE THAT KIND OF BASIC LEVEL OF CARE, AND THEN LOOKING AT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR WHERE, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, BY HAVING CITY STAFF OR OTHER RESOURCES THAT ARE A BETTER FIT FOR THE PROBLEMS THAT ARISE, WE ARE REDUCING THE BURDEN ON OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND OUR EMERGENCY RESOURCES. THE UNITED WAY HAS THEIR DENTON COUNTY, OUR UNITED WAY OF DENTON COUNTY INTERNS THAT ARE GOING TO BE AT THE SHELTER AND LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THEM.

AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEEK GRANT OPPORTUNITIES. ONE WE APPLIED FOR, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT IT. WAS THE BLOOMBERG MAYOR'S CHALLENGE, LOOKING TO TRY AND BRING SOME DIFFERENT RESOURCES INTO THE SHELTER. WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE WAYS TO BRING THOSE RESOURCES IN. I KNOW I WENT KIND OF FAST, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S TIME FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION. BUT IN SUMMARY, THE SHELTER OPERATION SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE IMPROVED. PRACTICES SHOULD BE REASSESSED IN THE CONTRACT SHOULD BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE LIMITING OVERNIGHT STAY, CAPACITY TO CASE MANAGEMENT, RESOURCING, IMPLEMENTING A LENGTH OF STAY POLICY AND GUIDELINES TO ENSURE THE SHELTER IS FOCUSED ON HOUSING INDIVIDUALS. RAISING THE BARRIER LEVELS IN THE CONTRACT AT THE SHELTER, AND THEN ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING CLEARLY TO OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT THE CHANGES THAT COUNCIL ARE DIRECTING AT THE SHELTER ARE GOING TO BE GOING INTO EFFECT. AND THAT WILL IF ADOPTED, SOME OF THESE CHANGES WOULD MAKE IT TO WHERE IT IS NOT A PLACE WHERE SOMEONE COULD BE DROPPED OFF AND EXPECT TO GET A BED THAT EVENING. SO I'LL PAUSE THERE FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY. NOW I'LL GO TO REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE THIS STATEMENT IN REGARDS TO SOMETHING THAT THE MAYOR STATED, AND THAT I WAS JUST NOT COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, NOT LEANING INTO WAS COMPARING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON OUT HERE TO SOME CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF CRIME GOING ON OUT HERE, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S FAIR TO TRY TO CONNECT THIS TYPE OF SITUATION TO A SPECIFIC TYPE OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES. WHICH CRIMINAL ACTIVITY HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. I DON'T WANT OUR, OUR UNHOUSED FRIENDS TO COME WITH A LABEL OF, YOU KNOW, CRIMINALS. I WANT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT LANGUAGE HERE. WE ARE A COMPASSIONATE CITY. WE'RE

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DOING OUR VERY BEST, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FUND SOME OF THIS STUFF. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE COLLABORATIONS. AND I WANT TO THE COMMUNITY. I WANT THE FOLKS OUT THERE TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE I'M NOT LOOKING AT EVERYBODY AS HOMELESS AS SOME TYPE OF CRIMINAL. PEOPLE JUST FALL IN. AND WE'VE BEEN HEARING ALL OF OUR LIVES ARE ONE PAYCHECK AWAY. AND THAT'S EVEN MORE TRUE TODAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS ON THE UP AND UP ON ALL OF THIS, AND WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE TO PERISH, YOU KNOW, TO PASS AWAY HOUSELESS OR HOMELESS FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. AND I JUST WASN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. IN SUMMARY, I DO THINK THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO WRAP OUR ARMS AROUND THE HOMELESS SHELTER AND DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN. I THINK THAT IT'S OKAY FOR US TO ASK SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS TO BE THERE. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW, AND THE REALITY IS, IS IT IS JUST SOME PEOPLE JUST GOING TO BE HOMELESS. THEY'RE JUST OUT. THEY'RE JUST OUT THERE WILDING OUT. I DON'T KNOW ANOTHER WORD, BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT READY. AND SO MY QUESTION, I THINK WHEN WE INITIALLY STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS IS ARE WE EXPECTED TO YOU ALL HAVE HEARD ME SAY ARE WE EXPECTED TO JUST LIKE HOUSE EVERYBODY. IS THAT THE END GOAL? ANYBODY THAT NEEDS A HOME, YOU KNOW, ARE WE ARE WE GOING TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THEY ALL COME? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE THAT WE ARE HAVE BEEN WANTING TO DO THAT TO HOUSE EVERYBODY, WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE. SO LET'S STAY IN THE REALITY OF THAT AND PUT OUR EFFORTS TOWARDS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE READY TO MAKE SOME MOVES THAT ARE READY NOT TO BE HOMELESS ANYMORE. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR OWN WELL-BEING. AND IT SOUNDS KIND OF CRUEL. AND THAT'S BEEN A BIG PART OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH. I HAD A VERY LIGHT CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, I WAS MAKING THESE STATEMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, 120 DAYS AND WE FOUND OUT THEY'VE BEEN LIVING OVER THERE FOR TWO YEARS. AND. 700 DAYS FOR SOME PEOPLE. AND THEN THE STATEMENT FROM HER WAS, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? SO NOW IT'S OUR TURN TO DO SOMETHING REASONABLE, LIKE TAKING THAT NEXT STEP WHEN THEY GO OUT, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO THEN? ARE THEY GOING BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM, OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE READY TO MAKE SOME MOVES? SO YEAH, I'M READY, I'M READY. I THINK THE CITY I THINK OTHER CITIES ARE LOOKING TO US TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO WORK THIS OUT. WHY DO WE HAVE 400 AND SOMETHING HOMELESS COUNT IN LEWISVILLE, FIVE MILES DOWN THE ROAD, 79 PEOPLE. I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN REALLY GET THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST MY REALITY HERE. LET'S JUST DO OUR BEST. LET'S BE PATIENT WITH EACH OTHER. LET'S JUST TRY NEW THINGS. LET'S STAY IN A BUDGET FOR WHATEVER THAT IS AND JUST GO FORWARD. THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO BE ON THAT. THANKS. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. THANKS, MAYOR. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER TO STAFF TALKING ABOUT A MAJORITY ASKING FOR SOMETHING.

SO I WANT TO I WANT TO REVISIT THAT BECAUSE, MAYOR, I APPRECIATE YOUR APPROACH AND NOT CARING ABOUT DATA. BUT IN THE LAST CONVERSATION, I HEARD THREE PEOPLE SAY THAT WE WANTED DATA.

SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LOVE TO KNOW THE COUNT ON HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT THE DATA OF WHERE THE ENCAMPMENTS ARE, FOLKS AT THE ENCAMPMENTS FREQUENTLY, SO WE CAN GIVE STAFF THAT DIRECTION SO THEY CAN PROVIDE US THAT DIRECTION. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT STAFF TO THINK THAT WHEN YOU SAY SOMETHING, IT'S GOSPEL AT THIS TABLE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT. THERE ARE FOUR OF US. SO I WANT TO JUST GET THAT DIRECTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND, BEFORE WE MOVE ON ABOUT WHO WANTS THE DATA. NO, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. WE'RE GOING TO BE CONSISTENT. AND I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. THAT'S WHY IF YOU WERE LISTENING DURING THE WORK SESSION, WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER BECK ASKED FOR SEVERAL REPORTS, I MENTIONED TO MADISON AT THAT TIME, HEY, NOTE THAT FOLLOW UP BECAUSE WE NEED A MAJORITY. SO MAYBE YOU MISSED THAT COMMENT, BUT I JUST SAID THAT EARLIER TODAY. SO TO REITERATE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I SAID IT EARLIER TAKES A MAJORITY. SO SAME THING. I'M GOING TO BE CONSISTENT IF YOU DON'T MIND. AND JESSE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH HIS NOTES AND EMAIL THAT OUT AND WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. BUT HE'S TAKING DILIGENT NOTES AND HE'LL COME BACK TO US. SO I'M GOING TO DO THE SAME THING I DID IN THE FIRST WORK SESSION.

SORRY IF YOU MISSED IT, BUT AND DO THE SAME THING SO YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. I APPRECIATE THAT MAYOR PRO TEM DID SAY HE WANTED THE DATA. ARE YOU GOING TO ASK? ARE YOU GOING TO ASK IF THERE'S DIRECTION? NO, HE'S GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH ALL THE ALL THE ALL THE GENERAL REQUESTS. SO IF

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YOU HAVE A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION PROVIDED TO HIM, HE'LL NOTE IT. OTHERS WILL SAY IF THEY'RE INTERESTED, HE'LL THEN SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHAT I'M SEEING. WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO DO IT ON THE FLY. WE'RE GOING TO DO IT DECENT IN ORDER AFTER HE'LL FOLLOW UP. SO GO RIGHT AHEAD. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR I APPRECIATE THAT. SO OF NOTE OBVIOUSLY I WANT THE DATA. SO APPRECIATE YOU GOING BACK AND FOLLOWING UP WITH THAT. AS WE DISCUSSED LAST WEEK. THE LANGUAGE AROUND LOW BARRIERS GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT OF PAUSE. CAN YOU JUST SAY MORE ABOUT THAT. HELP ME GET THERE. SO I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHANGES HERE, COUNCIL MEMBER, THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST BARRIERS THAT WE'RE PUTTING UP IS A HOUSING PLAN AND REQUIRING CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICES. SO I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES IS THAT WE ARE WE WOULD BE REQUIRING STAYING AT THE SHELTER WOULD BE CONDITIONAL UPON MAKING PROGRESS ON A HOUSING PLAN AND MEETING REGULARLY WITH THE CASE WORKER TO HELP THEM GET OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. THERE ARE SOME SOME OTHER PIECES TO THAT. YOU KNOW, THE ODB IMPLEMENTED A CODE OF CONDUCT, WHICH IS A KIND OF A SET OF AGREEMENTS THAT PEOPLE WOULD MAKE ABOUT THEIR BEHAVIOR AND THEIR CONDUCT, ENSURING THAT WE'RE HOLDING FAST TO THAT IS PROBABLY NOT A LOW BARRIER. LOW BARRIER PRACTICE. SO IT PUTS US AT ODDS WITH OUR CONTRACT. A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT, AS MADISON'S REPORT MENTIONED, THAT WE'VE DONE, WE'VE TAKEN MEASURES ON AND THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO ARE NOT IN LINE WITH OUR CONTRACT. AND WITH THAT LOW BARRIER LANGUAGE, DOES THAT DOES THAT HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? OR SO THE PRACTICE IS ALREADY NOT ALLOWED THE LANGUAGE. WE'RE JUST CLEANING THE CONTRACT LANGUAGE UP WITH THE PRACTICE. SOME SOME OF THE PRACTICES, AS MADISON'S REPORT SAID, ARE THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING, ARE AGAINST LOW BARRIER. AND SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING ARE NOT LOW BARRIER PRACTICES. SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH. MY OTHER QUESTION WAS THE LONG TERM SHELTER GUESTS. WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN PLACE A TIMELINE. I MEAN, A HARD STOP ON WHEN YOU CAN NO LONGER BE AT THE SHELTER, RIGHT? SO THE FOR ALL GUESTS, THERE'S PROGRESSING ON YOUR HOUSING PLAN. AND THEN FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO AREN'T MAKING PROGRESS ON THEIR HOUSING PLAN, WE WOULD LOOK TO SET UP A CASE CONFERENCING THAT WOULD INCLUDE A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL, A CASE MANAGEMENT PROFESSIONAL, ODB, CITY STAFF, AND MAYBE SOME OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD LOOK AT WHAT THIS PERSON, WHAT ARE THE CAUSES OF THIS PERSON NOT PROGRESSING ON THEIR HOUSING PLAN? AND IF IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO REMAIN AT THE SHELTER. SO IT WOULD BE A KIND OF CONSENSUS DECISION FROM A FROM A GROUP THAT WE WOULD ESTABLISH. AND THOSE FOLKS GO WHERE. I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY GO. THAT'S WE DON'T WANT TO INFANTILIZE PEOPLE THERE. THEY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO. HELP THEMSELVES GET OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY, AND WE'RE DEDICATED TO HELPING INDIVIDUALS GET OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. BUT IF THEY IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO COMMIT TO THAT, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO SUPPORT INDIVIDUALS FOR INDEFINITELY. I AGREE WITH YOU, JESSE. I'M I'M.

HELP ME GET THERE. THEY GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE. LET'S TAKE THIS TRAIN TO THE LAST STATION.

WHERE'S THE LAST STATION? THERE. I WILL ACCEPT, I DON'T KNOW, AND IF THE ANSWER IS I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T GO WITH THAT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BECAUSE WHEN SOMEONE ASKS ME, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER. YEAH. SO FOR INDIVIDUALS, IT'S UP TO THEM. I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND DO OUR BEST TO CONNECT THEM WITH RESOURCES. WE'RE GOING TO HELP THEM FIND WHAT RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE. BUT IF THOSE RESOURCES DON'T EXIST IN DENTON AND THEY SAY THEY WANT TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE'LL HELP THEM FIND RESOURCES. SO IT MAY BE THE CASE THAT A SOLUTION FOR THEM DOESN'T EXIST HERE IN DENTON, BUT THERE'S A PLACE THAT THEY CAN GO THAT WE CAN CONNECT THEM WITH THROUGH KIND OF OUR NETWORK OF CARE IN DALLAS, AND WE'LL HELP THEM GO THERE. BUT THESE ARE THESE ARE THE RULES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT INTO PLACE HERE AT THE DENTON COMMUNITY SHELTER, TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE HOUSING AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, THAT WE ARE GETTING AS MANY PEOPLE OUT OF HOMELESSNESS AS POSSIBLE. AND IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE AND IT'S DIFFICULT. I'M GOOD. I'M NOT UNCOMFORTABLE. I APPRECIATE THAT. MY CONCERN IS THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT END UP IN ENCAMPMENTS TOMORROW. I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO MY COLLEAGUES. I'LL GIVE THE REST OF MY DIRECTION WHEN WE'RE DONE. ANYONE ELSE QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR, THEN TWO. TO FOLLOW UP ON COUNCIL MEMBER

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MCGEE'S CONCERN. AND TO USE THE RAILROAD ANALOGY, I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE A WAY STOP, NOT A NOT A TERMINAL. I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE A PLACE THAT THAT YOU GET DIRECTION, THAT YOU GET, THAT YOU GET YOUR LIFE TOGETHER, GET A FRESH START AND, AND HEAD OUT. I, I'M HAPPY WITH 120 DAYS.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE MEASURING THIS STUFF IN YEARS. I THINK THAT'S WAIT. FOR SOMEBODY TO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR TWO YEARS, I THINK IS WAY, WAY, WAY TOO MUCH AND NOT AT ALL WHAT THE SHELTER WAS INTENDED TO BE FROM THE FROM THE GET GO. AND I APPRECIATE REDUCING THE CAPACITY FROM 192 TO 119. I THINK IF THERE'S A FIRM 120 DAY TERMINUS, THEN THEN THAT'S GOING TO THAT'S GOING TO FOCUS PEOPLE AND GET GET THEIR ATTENTION AND SAY, WE GOT TO GET OUT OF HERE, BECAUSE NOW WE ONLY HAVE 119 DAYS LEFT AND 118. WE GOT TO GET WITH IT AND GET, GET, GET. WE'RE ALL ADULTS HERE. WE GOT TO GET ON WITH IT. REPRESENTATIVE IN DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. SO IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENTING, YOU KNOW, DATA AND TRACKING THINGS AND HAVING MORE ABILITY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE AND WHO'S GOING WHERE AND WHO'S WHAT AND ALL THAT. ABSOLUTELY. ALL THE DATA EVERY TIME, ANYWHERE, EVEN WHEN IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE, EVEN WHEN IT'S PRICKLY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE PROVIDING RESOURCES. AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN MANAGE THOSE RESOURCES IS IF WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING. AND SO IN THE SENSE THAT IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE WORKING FROM DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF LOW BARRIER IN THIS PRESENTATION VERSUS THE AUDIT. SO IN THE SENSE OF WHAT LOW WHAT I SAW IN THE PREVIOUS SEMINAR WORK SESSION, I'M ON BOARD WITH EVERYONE HAVING TO COME IN, GET REGISTERED AND HAVING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF CASE MANAGEMENT PLAN. BUT UNTIL WE HAVE ENOUGH DATA, UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT, HOW LONG. THIS IS THE SAME QUESTION WITH THE SEVEN DAYS THAT WE HAD EARLIER, UNTIL WE KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES US, ONCE WE'VE IMPLEMENTED CHANGES TO DO A THING, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT AN ARBITRARY LIMIT SHOULD BE. AND, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENT POPULATIONS AND WHAT THE DIFFERENT METRICS AND WHO CAN GET WHO NEEDS TO BE IN AND OUT IN ONE DAY OR TWO DAYS, WHO NEEDS A WEEK, WHO NEEDS THREE MONTHS, AND HOW THE DIFFERENT SUCCESS RATES OF DIVERSION OF ANY OF THESE FOLKS ARE. AND IN FACT. WE'RE GOING TO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO COMPOUND IT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, WE SAW THE ARE WE CHASING POPULATIONS AROUND IN THE HOMELESS? WE HAVE A SIMILAR QUESTION HERE. IF WE MOVE AND TO LOWER THE LIMITS BY 73 FOLKS, THEN IF WE DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE 73 FOLKS ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A DISPROPORTIONATE POLICE, EMS FIRE IMPACT ON THE BOTTOM LINE, LET LET LET'S FORGET THE MORALITY OF TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE IN NEED. WE SHOULD FORGET THAT THAT SHOULD BE OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. BUT LET'S JUST FOR THE MOMENT, FORGET THAT IF THE COSTS OF NOT HAVING THEM IN THE SHELTER ARE HIGHER THAN HAVING THEM IN THE SHELTER. AND I'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH YOU BEFORE. SO THIS IS NOT A NEW CONCEPT. IF THAT'S HIGHER, THEN WHAT ARE WE SPENDING OUR MONEY ON? WE SHOULD BE SPENDING IT ON MORE DIVERSION. SO IF I'VE HAD CHIEF SAY IT COSTS ROUGHLY ABOUT $1,000, GIVE OR TAKE, TO HAVE AN EMS CALL WITH THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION OF TWO TRUCKS AND FIVE MEN, YOU KNOW, AND I'M TOTALLY GOING TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT NUMBER IS PLUS OR MINUS. IT'S A IT'S A CRUDE NUMBER. BUT IF THAT'S $73,000, IF WE JUST HAVE ONE CALL FOR THOSE 73 INDIVIDUALS RIGHT THERE. SO LET ALONE IF WE HAVE MULTIPLE AND IF THEY COULD HAVE BEEN DIVERTED BY HAVING THEM IN THE. SO THE ISSUE ON A SUPPLY AND DEMAND APPROACH IS YOU CAN YOU CAN TRY TO CUT, YOU KNOW, SERVICES TO REDUCE COSTS OR YOU, YOU CAN SUPPLY THE SERVICES IN A BETTER, MORE FACILE WAY. AND, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE CAN BREAK THE BANK. WE CERTAINLY CANNOT BE THE SERVICE PROVIDER FOR ALL OF NORTH TEXAS. THAT'S THAT'S CRAZY. BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, IF WE CAN CAUSE OURSELVES TO HAVE MORE COSTS BY NOT PROVIDING DIVERSIONARY SERVICES, THEN WHAT ARE WE DOING? IT'S ONE OF THOSE IT. LOOK, LOOK IT UP IN ECONOMICS. IT'S JEVONS PARADOX. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I MAY BE MISPRONOUNCING HIS NAME, BUT IT'S COMMONLY KNOWN THAT YOU YOU DEFEAT YOURSELF THROUGH YOUR OWN ACTIONS. SO WHILE I'M ON BOARD THE CASE MANAGEMENT AND THE TRACKING, I AM NOT FOR RESETTING THE CAPACITY BECAUSE I THINK UNTIL WE HAVE BETTER DATA, UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE RUN THE RISK OF ACTUALLY SPENDING

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SO THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. SO ONE THING WITH THE I APPRECIATE YOUR POINT. I DON'T KNOW THAT INDIVIDUALS ARE NECESSARILY PREDISPOSED TO GENERATE IF THEY'RE NOT GENERATING A CALL IN THE SHELTER, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE NECESSARILY GOING TO THEN GENERATE A CALL NOT IN THE SHELTER FOR THE CASE MANAGEMENT PIECE. SOMETHING THE REASON WE HAVE TO REDUCE THE CAPACITY IS TO BE ABLE TO CASE MANAGE THE INDIVIDUALS. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH CASE MANAGERS TO MANAGE THE INDIVIDUALS. NOW THERE'S THE CURRENT RATIO IS 1 TO 27. WE'RE TRYING TO BRING IT DOWN TO 1 TO 17, WHICH IS IN LINE WITH HUD BEST PRACTICES. BECAUSE IF WE IF WE DON'T REDUCE THE CAPACITY THEN WE CAN'T WE CAN'T CASE MANAGE THE PEOPLE. SO I AGREE WITH THAT IN PRINCIPLE THAT YOU THE CASE MANAGEMENT LOAD IS TOO HIGH, BUT IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE QUESTION OF BY IF WE SPENT, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY AN INITIAL COST. I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO MAKE UP A NUMBER. IF WE SPENT $200,000 AND HAD CASE MANAGEMENT, WOULD THE RESULTS OF DIVERTING MORE PEOPLE NOT BE CHEAPER THAN THAN HAVING THE 73 PEOPLE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY BEING UNDIVERTED? SO WE DON'T WANT TO BE PENNY WISE AND POUND FOOLISH. WE DON'T WANT TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT I'M GOING TO. AND UNTIL WE HAVE THE DATA TO BACK UP THAT THIS IS THE WAY IT'S GOING TO GO, I JUST I'M SORT OF FIRMLY NO ON MOST OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX THEN THE THREE. THANK YOU. WELL, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS VERY HELPFUL. AND I ALSO WANT TO START BY SAYING WHAT AN AMAZING JOB OUR DAILY BREAD HAS DONE. THEY'VE DONE SO MUCH WITH SO LITTLE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE VOLUNTEER HOURS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW MANY EMPLOYEES AND THE DONATED FOOD AND HOW THEY MAKE IT WORK, I MEAN, IT SHOULD BE ON 60 MINUTES. THE INCREDIBLE HEART. AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO, I MEAN IS AMAZING. HOWEVER, FROM THE RESEARCH I'VE DONE AND FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS CALLED DRAW TO SHELTER, WHICH MEANS THE NETWORK ACROSS THE COUNTRY OF THOSE THAT ARE HOMELESS FOR DIFFERENT REASONS AND MANY DIFFERENT CAUSES. SO I'M TALKING GENERALLY THERE IS A DRAW TO SHELTER ONCE YOU HAVE CERTAIN SERVICES, YOU DRAW MORE PEOPLE TO WHERE YOU ARE. SO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE IN THE SHELTER THAT WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE A PERMANENT SHELTER, YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN 25%. IT'S ALSO A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A FIFTH OF THE COUNTY'S HOMELESS, OR THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AT THE SHELTER ARE ACTUALLY FROM THE CITY OF DENTON. WE HAVE A DRAW TO SHELTER. AND UNTIL WE START TAKING STEPS LIKE WHAT I BELIEVE YOU ARE PROPOSING, THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO COME. SO TO THE ARGUMENT, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THE ENCAMPMENTS OUT HERE VERSUS SERVICING PEOPLE IN THE SHELTER, NUMBER WISE, WHAT IT'S LOOKING LIKE TO ME IS IF WE CONTINUE TO HAVE WHAT IS TECHNICALLY AND PER THE AUDITOR'S DEFINITION OF A LOW BARRIER SHELTER, WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DRAW. THE NUMBERS ARE GOING UP, NOT DOWN.

AND WE LOOK AT OUR SISTER CITIES AND THE LOPSIDEDNESS OF WHO IS COMING TO OUR CITY FOR SERVICES OR TO CAMP OR WHAT HAVE YOU, IS I MEAN, THERE'S JUST NO DENYING THAT THEY'RE COMING HERE. SO I THINK THAT WE DO HAVE TO RECOGNIZE WE HAVE LIMITATION OF RESOURCES AND WE HAVE A LIMITATION OF CITIZEN WILL. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE CAN'T JUST CONTINUE TO EXPAND, EXPAND,

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EXPAND WITH THE CURRENT SCENARIO. NOW IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. AND I SPOKE WITH STAFF ABOUT THIS, THAT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATED TO. AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK OUT OF TURN BECAUSE I HAVEN'T DONE IT MYSELF. BUT THERE HAS BEEN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN OUR DAILY BREAD AS WELL AS OUR DAILY BREAD, EITHER BOARD OF DIRECTORS OR AT LEAST REPRESENTATIVE. AND IF I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN, SOMEONE CAN JUMP ON ME RIGHT NOW. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE AGREEABLE TO AT LEAST THE TYPES OF SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE MADE HERE TODAY THAT WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO, AND THIS IS JUST WHAT I HEARD. THEY DON'T WANT TO TURN ANYONE AWAY. AND I AND I GET THAT. HOWEVER, WE HAVE A PROBLEM. IT'S NOT WORKING. THE HEART WAS IN THE RIGHT PLACE, BUT WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I THINK A LOW BARRIER SHELTER IS NOT APPROPRIATE HERE AND WHERE IT IS, THE FACT THAT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DO CERTAIN INTAKE, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEARCH PEOPLE FOR WEAPONS.

THAT'S JUST NOT A SAFE PLACE TO HAVE PEOPLE WORK, TO HAVE PEOPLE VOLUNTEER. I THINK THAT INSTEAD OF JUST INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WE CAN TAKE IN FOR EMERGENCY SHELTER, WHAT WE SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON IS INDEED SHRINKING THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE SERVICING. HOWEVER, CONCENTRATE ON THOSE PEOPLE GETTING MORE INTENSIVE SERVICES SO THEY ARE TRANSITIONING OUT OF THE SHELTER SOONER. SO AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A LARGER SHELTER WITH LONGER STAYS, THE GOAL IS THAT WE ARE HELPING PEOPLE IN FOR WHAT IS, FOR THEM, A MEANINGFUL WAY TO TRANSITION OUT OF HOMELESSNESS.

SO THEY ARE THERE LESS TIME AND WE CAN GET MORE PEOPLE IN. AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ANYMORE. WE'VE SEEN THE CITIZENS SAY AGAIN AND AGAIN YOU'VE SEEN THE SURVEY RESULTS. WE'VE ALSO SEEN IT ANECDOTALLY. THIS IS A PROBLEM AND I DON'T AGREE WITH KICKING THE CAN. I AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOUR RESEARCH AND TALKING TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT DO THIS HAS SUGGESTED, I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT PATH. AND SO OBVIOUSLY MY FEEDBACK IS TO MOVE FORWARD. WE'VE GOT TO WE'VE GOT TO CONCENTRATE ON DOING REALLY WELL. WHAT THE PURPOSES OF THE SHELTER, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO MEET EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHERE THEY ARE, WE WANT TO HELP THOSE IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. THE RECOMMENDATION OF SOMEONE FROM OUT OF TOWN IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, THEY HAVE A FEW DAYS.

WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET THEM BACK TO THEIR HOME OR BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM. BUT THIS IS SNOWBALLING IN A WAY THAT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE OUR CITY, AND IT ALREADY HAS. SO I WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON THE JOB YOU'VE DONE. I'M EXCITED FOR YOUR NEW ROLE, AND ALREADY THE WAY THAT YOU ARE USING INFORMATION AND GATHERING INFORMATION IN A WAY THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN, I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT. I AM SO GRATEFUL FOR ALL OF THE VOLUNTEERS AND ALL OF THE DONORS TO OUR DAILY BREAD, AND I'M EXCITED TO TURN A NEW CHAPTER FOR THE COMMUNITY SHELTER STARTING TODAY. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT THREE. TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, I THINK WE'RE MISSING THE FOREST FOR THE TREES. YOU PRESENTED A VERY POWERFUL DATA POINT, WHICH WAS THAT WE DID A STUDY THAT SHOWED THAT 70 AND COUNCILMEMBER JESTER REFERRED TO IT. 76% WERE NOT IN THE CITY OF DENTON. I'D RATHER SEE SEVEN REALLY GOOD IDEAS ABOUT ADDRESSING THE REHOMING. IF WE GET ON TOP OF THAT AND GET A BREAKTHROUGH THERE, YOU'LL HAVE ALL THE CAPACITY YOU NEED TO LINE UP WITH THE WITH THE RESOURCES FOR CASE MANAGEMENT. SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS THE BIG NUMBER AND THE BIG OPPORTUNITY. IN MY VIEW. SHORT OF THAT TO SAY, WELL, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T EFFECTIVELY DEALT WITH THAT, I THINK I THINK WE DID SEND A LETTER. I THINK THAT WAS THE TACTIC THAT WAS TRIED SO FAR, A LETTER, AND MAYBE IT WAS A GREAT LETTER, BUT IT DIDN'T DO THE JOB. AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TRY SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEN YOU GOT TO TRY SOMETHING ELSE AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE AFTER THAT. SO WE GOT TO WORK ON THAT ISSUE. SO MEANWHILE I DO NOT SEE HOW IT MAKES DENTON BETTER TO PUT 73 PEOPLE OUT TO LIVE MORE PEOPLE, TO LIVE OUT IN THE ELEMENTS. I THINK WE NEED TO REHOME PEOPLE AND WE NEED TO

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WORK ON THAT ISSUE. I'M NOT SAYING I HAVE THE ANSWER, BUT THAT IS CLEARLY THE QUESTION.

NOW, THAT BEING SAID, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SUGGESTED PUTTING SOME EMPHASIS ON THREE DAY STAY AND TRYING TO CONNECT PEOPLE BACK TO THEIR CARE COMMUNITY. AND I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND CONTINUING TO INNOVATE THERE TO MAKE THAT WORK. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY EFFICIENT TO DO WHAT YOU PROPOSED IN TERMS OF PROVIDING SOME CARE THERE. I THINK IT'S ALSO SMART TO DO, AS YOU'VE SUGGESTED, TO CONCENTRATE THE CASE MANAGEMENT ON PEOPLE WHO YOU CAN CASE MANAGE OUT, BUT YEAH, THE TO TELL THE 73 GO LIVE IN THE WOODS SO THEN WE CAN CHASE YOU FROM ENCAMPMENT TO ENCAMPMENT. IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. IT DOESN'T MAKE THEM BETTER IN MY VIEW. ONE IF I IF I MAY JUST CLARIFYING POINT THAT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS DON'T. IT'S NOT THAT IF COUNCIL PASSES THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY, THE CAPACITY CHANGES TOMORROW AND THEN PEOPLE ARE ARE OUT. I APOLOGIZE IF I GAVE THAT IMPRESSION WE WOULD WORK TO EVALUATE INDIVIDUALS AT THE SHELTER. ACCORDING TO OUR NEW WAITLIST. WE WOULD LOOK TO ROLL IT OUT KIND OF APPROPRIATELY TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T WERE DOING IT AS RESPONSIBLY AS POSSIBLE. AND I ALSO WANT TO JUST CALL OUT THAT ODB IS HERE. AND IF COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM, THEY'RE ALSO AVAILABLE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE. I ALSO JUST WANT TO ADD I'M ALSO VERY INTERESTED IN COLLECTING THE DATA. SO WE MAKE INCREASINGLY SMART DECISIONS.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHEN COUNCIL DIRECTION IS GIVEN THAT IT'S GIVEN IN PUBLIC SO THAT WE SO THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHETHER THERE WAS A MAJORITY FOR THAT OR NOT, HOLD ON. ANYONE ELSE? FIRST ROUND. I THINK THAT'S EVERYBODY. OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. TO WHAT? TO WHAT YOU JUST LAST STATED. SO WHEN DOES THE CLOCK START? IF COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION TODAY. WHEN IN FACT DOES THE CLOCK START, WE WOULD BEGIN TO START WORKING ON A COUPLE OF THINGS NEED TO BE IN PLACE. THE FIRST IS THE WAIT LIST THAT THE WAY THAT INDIVIDUALS ARE PRIORITIZED FOR SHELTER AND STAY AT ODB WOULD NEED TO BE DEVELOPED, AND WE'D LOOK TO DEVELOP THAT WITH THE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS LEADERSHIP TEAM THAT DIDN'T.

HOMELESSNESS COALITION TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE SELECTING THE RIGHT INDIVIDUALS. ONCE THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED, THEN WE WOULD LOOK TO ASSESS THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE STAYING AT THE SHELTER CURRENTLY AND USING THE CURRENT LOTTERY SYSTEM THAT EXISTS AT THE SHELTER, WHERE ROOMS ARE KIND OF LOTTERY DOWN A WEEK AT A TIME, WE WOULD, OVER A PERIOD OF DAYS OR WEEKS, SLOWLY REDUCE CAPACITY AT THE SHELTER TO BE AT THAT CASE MANAGEMENT LEVEL. AS FAR AS HOW LONG THAT WOULD TAKE. I'D LIKE IT TO TAKE PROBABLY OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALLY DOING A GOOD JOB OF CREATING A VERY GOOD WAIT LIST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING A VERY GOOD HOUSING PLAN, AND THAT WE'RE HANDLING ALL THESE ISSUES RESPONSIBLY. I KNOW ODB HAS SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW QUICKLY THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT IMPLEMENTED, AND WE'D WORK THROUGH THAT WITH THEM. OKAY. AND RESPECTFULLY, SIX MONTHS SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME. IF SOMEBODY'S BEEN THERE FOR TWO YEARS NOW, THEY'VE BEEN THERE TWO AND A HALF YEARS, I THINK. I THINK SIX MONTHS IS QUITE A LONG TIME. I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF A, A DATE CERTAIN THAT, THAT THERE WILL BE SOME MOVEMENT IN THE, IN AT LEAST THE LONGEST, THE LONGEST STAYS THAT HAVE BEEN AT THE SHELTER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE? REPRESENTATIVE FROM FIVE AND TWO. SO, JESSE, IF NOT FROM YOU, THEN PERHAPS ODB CAN SPEAK TO THE PLAN THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND JUST RAISED HOW THE TRANSITION IS GOING TO WORK ONCE THE CONTRACT IS RATIFIED. WE HAVEN'T DEVELOPED THAT YET. COUNCIL MEMBER SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD YOUR DIRECTION. CLEARLY. WE UNDERSTOOD WHERE THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO TAKE THE SHELTER IN THE CONTRACT. BEFORE WE STARTED DEVELOPING PLANS TO DO THINGS. SO I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH REMOVING THE LANGUAGE FOR RAISING BARRIERS. I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH BOTH REDUCING CAPACITY AND THE LENGTH OF STAY BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD A PLAN. I WANT TO HEAR A PLAN BEFORE EVEN A SKETCH OF A PLAN BEFORE I CAN GIVE DIRECTION TO DO THOSE TWO THINGS. SO IN THE ABSENCE OF NO PLAN TODAY I'M GOING TO GO WITH NO TO REDUCING CAPACITY AND NO TO WITH LENGTH OF STAY REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. IN ANY PLANNING, ONE OF THE THINGS BROUGHT UP IN

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THE AUDIT WAS THE 24, THE NOT 24 OVER SEVEN NATURE OF THE SHELTER. CAN CAN YOU DIRECT? I DIDN'T REALLY SEE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE 24 OVER SEVEN OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT REAL QUICK? YEAH. FOR 24 SEVEN OPERATIONS, I'D PROBABLY DEFER TO OUR DAILY BREAD ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD WANT TO HANDLE THAT WHEN WE WOULD BE MOVING TOWARDS A KIND OF STABLE CLIENTELE WHERE IT'S NOT DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS STAYING THERE EVERY NIGHT. MAYBE THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR IT TO LOOK DIFFERENT AND IT CAN BE MORE ACCESSIBLE 24 OVER 24 HOURS. BUT IN MADISON'S AUDIT, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT 24 OVER SEVEN. YOU CAN WALK UP AND YOU CAN GET A BED. IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FUNCTION IN THAT WAY. AND THE REDUCTION IN CAPACITY, THE LENGTH OF STAY POLICY DOESN'T REMOVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DEAL WITH CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ARE MAYBE NOT NORMAL. FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEONE WAS BEING CASE MANAGED AND THEY FOUND, WELL, I'LL BE HERE. I'VE GOT RESOURCES TO GET TO. I JUST NEED FIVE DAYS INCLEMENT WEATHER. YES, IT WOULD APPLY FOR ANYONE CAN COME IN DURING INCLEMENT WEATHER, BUT FOR THOSE INSTANCES WHERE MAYBE I'VE GOT A PLACE TO GO, I JUST NEED FIVE DAYS TO STAY HERE. IN EFFECT, THAT'S A HOUSING PLAN.

THAT'S A THAT PERSON'S CASE MANAGED EFFECTIVELY. THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO STAY KIND OF BEYOND WHAT THE CASE MANAGEMENT CAPACITY IS. IT DOESN'T REMOVE OUR ABILITY TO BE FLEXIBLE AND TO RESPOND TO SITUATIONS AS APPROPRIATE. SO JUST REAL BRIEFLY TO FOLLOW UP THAT THE WHETHER WHETHER THIS COUNCIL VOTES TO KEEP US WHERE WE ARE OR NOT, THE 24 OVER SEVEN BARRIER IS CREATING ISSUES WITH ABILITY TO GET AND RECEIVE HOUSING, WHETHER THEY'RE DOING EMERGENCY, LOW BARRIER OR IN THIS CASE, IN YOUR IN YOUR PREFERRED RECOMMENDATION. 24 OVER SEVEN HAVING A SHUT AND LOCK THE DOORS KIND OF TIME KIND OF POLICY CREATES ISSUES WHERE PEOPLE DON'T CAN'T GET BACK DURING THOSE TIME FRAMES OR, OR OR HAVE OTHER ISSUES WHERE THEY WOULD BE OTHERWISE DIVERTED BECAUSE OF JOBS OR OTHER OTHER ACTIVITIES. SO I REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE DIRECTION IS, I THINK WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE THE APPLICABILITY OF THE 24 OVER SEVEN AND SHUTDOWN RULES. CLARIFY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ARE YOU SAYING LIKE JUST IN A BED THAT NIGHT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING? IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE LOCKED OUT? WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION IN YOUR IN THE PLAN, IF YOU WERE AT A JOB AND YOUR JOB WENT TO 8 OR 9 AT NIGHT AND YOU AND THE DOOR SHUT AT SIX, HOW WHAT'S THE PLAY IN YOUR PROPOSAL? SO OUR DAILY BREAD CURRENTLY ACCOMMODATES FOR THAT. THEY, THEY WORK WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE EMPLOYMENT TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE THEY'RE AVAILABLE FOR BED CHECK. OR SOMEONE IS, IS PARTICIPATING IN THE LOTTERY FOR THEM TO ALLOW THEM TO ENTER AFTERWARDS. AND THAT WOULD CONTINUE. WE WANT TO BE FOCUSED ON WE DON'T WANT TO PUT BARRIERS UP TO PEOPLE GETTING OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. IF SOMEONE HAS A HAS A JOB AND IT REQUIRES THEM TO BE OUT TILL 8 OR 9 AT NIGHT AND THEN THEY COME BACK IN, THAT'S GREAT. WE WANT TO SUPPORT THEM. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? SEEING NONE AND GET ALL QUESTIONS OUT. WE GOT TO MOVE. WE GOT A 630 MEETING WE GOT TO GET TO. AND WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM HERE I'M GOING TO JESSE I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO GIVE WENDY OR ROY WHOEVER WANTS TO SPEAK, AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS WHAT THEY'VE HEARD. I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO WRAP UP. SO WHICHEVER WITH YOU? YEAH, BY ALL MEANS. FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M WENDY MAGEE. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT THE SHELTER. I HAVE A BOOK FULL OF NOTES HERE. I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT VERY BRIEF. I WILL SAY THAT WE ARE LARGELY IN FAVOR OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CITY STAFF IS MAKING. WE FEEL LIKE IT DOES BALANCE THE HEART OF WHO WE ARE. DE SERVICES WOULD CONTINUE TO BE OPEN AND AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE TO COME IN TO GET BASIC SERVICES, TO GET MEALS, TO HAVE A SHOWER, TO GET CLOTHING, TO GET HYGIENE ITEMS. YOU CAN EVEN ENGAGE IN RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON SITE DURING THE DAY. RIGHT NOW, DAY SERVICES ARE FROM 8 A.M. TO 8 P.M. ANYONE CAN COME IN, BUT WHAT WE ARE CHALLENGED WITH IS WE DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO CASE, MANAGE OR TO ASSIST THE 1800 PEOPLE THAT WE SERVED LAST YEAR. I HAVE SEVEN CASE MANAGER, AND FUNDING FOR CASE MANAGERS IS GOING DOWN YEAR BY YEAR. BY THE TIME WE GET TO APRIL OF NEXT YEAR, WE'LL HAVE ONE AND THREE QUARTERS OF A CASE MANAGEMENT POSITION FUNDED, SO WE CAN'T CONTINUE AT THIS PACE. WE WILL RUN OUT OF MONEY. WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY AS WE HAVE FOR 25 YEARS. I THINK

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THIS BALANCE IS THE HEART OF WHO WE ARE. IT ALLOWS US TO HELP EVERYONE BECAUSE YOU CAN STILL COME IN AND GET THOSE BASIC SERVICES. THERE WILL BE A WAIT LIST. THERE WILL BE A PROCESS TO ENTER INTO CASE MANAGEMENT, TO RECEIVE A BED FOR A LONGER LENGTH OF STAY. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT 120 DAYS, THAT SHOULD BE AN AVERAGE IN THE LAST. SINCE WE OPENED THE SHELTER, 303 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STABILIZED THROUGH THE EFFORTS OF OUR DAILY BREAD AND OUR PARTNERS. THAT'S 303 PEOPLE.

WE HELPED TO GET OFF THE STREETS AND INTO HOUSING OR BACK TO THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS AS FAR AWAY AS HAWAII, CALIFORNIA, DELAWARE, FLORIDA. I MEAN, WE ARIZONA, WE HAVE SENT PEOPLE ALL OVER THE STATE BACK TO THEIR SUPPORT SYSTEMS. WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. SOME PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO DIVERT IN A MATTER OF A DAY. ONE GENTLEMAN THAT WE JUST RECENTLY HOUSED, IT TOOK 540 DAYS. IT'S GOING TO STICK. HE COMES BACK TO THE SHELTER AND HE DOES BIBLE STUDY WITH THE GUESTS WHO ARE THERE. HE IS EMPLOYED. HE HAS HAD HEALTH SETBACKS, BUT WE STUCK WITH HIM. AND SO I THINK THE 120 DAYS, IF WE ARE ABLE TO BE REALLY INTENTIONAL WITH OUR CASE MANAGEMENT EFFORTS AND NOT HAVE MY CASE MANAGERS SCANNING FOR MEALS, CHECKING PEOPLE IN AT THE FRONT DOOR, CLEANING THE BATHROOMS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING NOW. THEY'RE NOT JUST DOING CASE MANAGEMENT.

IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT THREE HOURS A DAY THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DEVOTE TO CASE MANAGEMENT. AND SO I, I LIKE THIS, THAT IT BALANCES THE HEART OF WHO WE ARE. IT WILL ALLOW US TO SERVE MORE PEOPLE IN THE LONG RUN. IF WE ARE LOOKING AT 119 PEOPLE WITH AN AVERAGE OF 120 DAYS FROM US, TO TAKE THEM FROM HOMELESSNESS TO INDEPENDENCE, THAT ALLOWS US TO SERVE 300 SOME ODD PEOPLE IN A YEAR. WE IT TOOK US TWO, ALMOST TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO DO THAT SINCE WE'VE BEEN OPEN. SO WHILE I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A BED TO PROVIDE INTENSE CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICES FOR EVERYONE WHO WALKS THROUGH OUR DOORS, WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY OR THE BUDGET TO DO IT. THIS GIVES EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY. WE'RE STILL MEETING THEM WHERE THEY ARE. THEY CAN STILL ENGAGE IN CASE MANAGEMENT. IF THEY ARE READY, THEY CAN GET ON THE LIST AND WE CAN WE CAN HOPEFULLY MOVE THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE CITY AND CITY STAFF. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW WHO MAY HAVE JUST LOOKED AT THE AUDIT REPORT. WE'RE NOT A ROGUE ORGANIZATION OUT HERE DOING THINGS ON OUR OWN. WE SUBMIT MONTHLY REPORTS. WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF OVERSIGHT. THE CITY STAFF HAS BEEN THEY HAVE SHARED EVERY SINGLE DATA WORKBOOK THAT WE HAVE. THEY HAVE BEEN PRIVY TO EVERY SINGLE POLICY THAT WE HAVE ADOPTED AND WE HAVE SHARED. WE HAVE BEEN AN OPEN BOOK. WE BELIEVE IN TRANSPARENCY. WE BELIEVE IN OVERSIGHT. WE THINK THAT MAKES US BETTER. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVE IN. AND WE HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY A PART OF THAT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. YOU CAN SEND THEM TO ME. OUTSIDE OF THIS, I KNOW WE'RE SHORT ON TIME, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. THANK YOU FOR TAKING ALL OF THIS INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU TO THE CITY STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK THEY'VE DONE.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU STAFF. YEAH FOR SURE. YES. OKAY, JESSE, HERE'S MY THOUGHTS. I MEAN, UNFORTUNATELY FOR ME, IT'S EVERYTHING I'VE SPOKEN ON IS ON TOPIC, RIGHT? I WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT GENERAL CRIME STATISTICS. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.

SO I'M SPEAKING ON THINGS THAT ARE DRAINED TO WHAT'S BEFORE US. AND I'M ALSO SPEAKING FOR OUR DIRECT PEOPLE, TRACKING ALONG TO PAGE FOUR OF THE 2024 COMMUNITY SURVEY. MADISON QUOTED IT AS WELL, BUT IT READS NINE OUT OF TEN RESIDENTS VIEWED HOMELESSNESS IN DENTON AS A MAJOR OR MODERATE PROBLEM FACING THE COMMUNITY IN 2024. I REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T I DON'T SIT HERE AND MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT GERARD WANTS TO DO. I AM A REPRESENTATIVE IN THE TRUEST SENSE OF THE WORD, AND THAT IS IT'S AN IMPORTANT NO NO DIFFERENT THAN FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT. WE SAW ANOTHER PRESENTATION WHERE THOSE NUMBERS ARE EQUALLY AS HIGH FROM BUSINESS OWNERS SAYING WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM. SO I'M RESPONDING TO WHAT THE CITIZENS PUT ME HERE TO DO. AND I AND I'M UNASHAMED OF THAT. AND SO MY, MY, MY THOUGHTS ARE THESE. WHAT'S NOT MENTIONED AND THE TANGIBLE ASPECT I TALKED TO MADISON ABOUT THAT. I THINK YOU NEED TO INCORPORATE IT IN YOUR FUTURE PRESENTATIONS, AND MAYBE

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IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE BOTTOM OF EVERY SLIDE. PEOPLE HAVE FREEDOM OF CHOICE, RIGHT? LIKE WE CAN'T MANDATE THAT SOMEONE DO ALL THESE THINGS. THEY'RE ADULTS AND THEY HAVE CHOICES AND THEY HAVE FREEDOMS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE AWAY FROM THEM TO SOME END. RIGHT. AND SO I JUST THINK THAT'S THAT HAS TO BE IN THE BACK OF PEOPLE'S MIND, UNDERSTAND, WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO MAKE ANYONE DO ANYTHING THEY DON'T WANT TO DO. THAT'S THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ABOUT. AND SO THESE, THESE, THESE INSTANCES OF IF WE SPEND THIS ALL OF A SUDDEN IT NETS THAT SAME THING. YOU TOUCHED ON IT A LITTLE BIT IN ONE OF YOUR RESPONSES, BUT I JUST I WANT TO I WANT TO COME BACK AND SAY THERE'S NO IF WE CASE MANAGE THIS MANY PEOPLE, THEN THIS MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME OUT ON THE OTHER END. GOOD TO GO WORKING ALL. THAT'S JUST NOT HOW IT WORKS. IT'S NOT A 1 TO 1 RATIO. AND I KEEP HEARING THAT AS THOUGH IF WE SPEND MORE HERE, IT HELPS 100% OF THE TIME. AND THAT'S NOT TRUE. SO HOW DO WE. SO CERTAINLY THE INFORMATION WILL BE GOOD AND I HOPE WE MAINTAIN THIS. I HOPE THE SAME ENERGY AROUND DATA IS MAINTAINED THE ENTIRE NIGHT.

BECAUSE I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT MISSING DATA. BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT. BUT I WANT TO I WANT TO ABSOLUTELY. LET'S KEEP THAT SAME ENERGY. AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, AS A FOLLOW UP HOW MUCH WE SPENT OVER TIME. BECAUSE HERE'S THE THING. WHEN'S THE PRESENTATION ON SINGLE MOMS, SINGLE DADS THAT ARE GRINDING IT OUT. WHEN'S THAT PRESENTATION? WHERE ARE WE GOING TO HELP THEM? THERE'S NO WORK SESSION SCHEDULED. OH, OKAY. RIGHT NOW. BUT WE I KNOW WE SPENT $14 MILLION ON THIS BUILDING. WHATEVER INCREMENT WE SPEND YOU KNOW. AND SO WE ARE DOING OUR ABSOLUTE DARNDEST WITH OUR DAILY BREAD THERE. VOLUNTEERS ARE DOING AMAZING WORK. AND THAT'S THE THING THAT ALSO BOTHERS ME IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 24 OVER SEVEN AS THOUGH IT'S NO BIG DEAL. I HAVE BEEN THERE THAT SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO VOLUNTEER AT EIGHT IN THE MORNING THAN THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO VOLUNTEER AT TEN AT NIGHT? LIKE WE'RE JUST SITTING AROUND THIS DAIS COMFORTABLE, COOL. LIKE, YOU KNOW, SAME NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS. THAT'S NOT TRUE. IT'S NOT STEEPED IN REALITY. I UNDERSTAND THE TALKING POINT. IT SETS UP WELL. BUT I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT REALITY AND HOW IT SHAPES OUR DECISIONS. AND IT'S HARDER TO FIND PEOPLE THAT WANT TO WORK IN A SHELTER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT BECAUSE THEY HAVE JOBS, THEY HAVE KIDS, THEY HAVE ALL THOSE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES.

AND SO WE GOT TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT HOW WE SHAPE OUR DECISIONS BASED ON THE FACTS AT HAND THAT ARE KNOWN. AND THEN I CANNOT AGREE MORE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE IT'S IT IS SYNCED UP. YOU HAVE THE CITY AUDITOR THAT SUGGESTED WE CASE MANAGE, AND WE'RE ADJUSTING THE NUMBER SO THAT WE CAN CASE MANAGE. AND IT'S NOT INSTANTANEOUS LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S NOT ALL OF A SUDDEN AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING. AND YOU'VE NOT PRESENTED ON FRIENDS OF THE FAMILY SALVATION ARMY, ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO STEP UP AND HELP AS WELL. SO THERE'S OTHER PLACES THAT ARE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS. AND SO IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANYONE OUT. WE'RE NOT SENDING ANYONE TO THE WOODS. AND IF EVEN IF WE IF SOMEONE'S NOT IN THE SHELTER, WE CAN'T CONTROL WHERE THEY GO. WE CAN'T MANDATE WHERE PEOPLE GO. AND SO THAT'S MY HEART. I JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ACTIONABLE BEST PRACTICES. AND I THINK THAT'S IT. AND I APPRECIATE YOU IDENTIFYING HUD'S BEST PRACTICES. SO YOU HAVE THE CITY AUDITOR THAT PROVIDES DATA. YOU HAVE HUD BEST PRACTICES PROVIDES DATA, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SO WHAT DO WE WHAT AM I MISSING ON A DATA POINT THAT SAYS WE'RE NOT OKAY WITH THAT ADJUSTMENT THAT I DON'T? MAYBE THERE'S ONE I HAVEN'T HEARD ONE. I'VE BEEN WRITING THEM DOWN. I HADN'T HEARD A DATA POINT THAT SUGGESTS WE NOT MAKE THIS CHANGE OTHER THAN JUST THE HUNCH. I'VE NOT HEARD A SPECIFIC DATA SOURCE THAT SAYS WE SHOULD NOT MAKE THE CHANGE ON THE NUMBERS FOR CASE MANAGEMENT STYLE, AND THEN. I JUST CONTINUING THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT DATA. YOU HAVE TO WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY IS YOU'RE GOING TO TEST AND MEASURE RIGHT AND THEN ADJUST ACCORDINGLY. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY. AND THERE'S A BOOK OUT THAT SAYS START RIGHT. JUST START. WE GOT TO START SOMEPLACE. AND SO I AM SUPPORTIVE IN THAT SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN TO MEASURE AND UNDERSTAND THE EFFECTIVENESS AND FINE TUNE WHAT WE'RE DOING. I THINK THAT THAT'S GREAT. AND THEN LASTLY. IF WE DON'T. LIMIT WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO, I HAVE A FEELING THAT OTHER CITIES ARE NEVER GOING TO STEP UP BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO. I, WE NEED THIS IS A THIS IS A COMMUNITY ISSUE. IT'S A COMMUNITY CHALLENGE. IT'S A COMMUNITY WORKING TOGETHER, A REGIONAL THING, WORKING TOGETHER. AND OF

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THAT WE HAVE TO THEN TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T THINK ANYONE SHOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON BASIC NEEDS VERSUS WHERE THEY'RE GETTING SUPPORT. IF THEY HAVE FAMILY SUPPORT, SOME AREA, THAT'S THE BEST THING. LET'S TRY TO SYNC THOSE TWO UP, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST I THINK THAT'S THE BEST OUTCOME. AND THERE'S NOT A THERE'S NOT A UTOPIA OUT. THERE'S NOT A PERFECT OUTCOME. BUT I THINK IF WE CAN GET PEOPLE SYNCED UP AND, AND WE CAN BE A PART OF THAT, HELPING BRING FAMILIES BACK TOGETHER, HELP BRING NETWORKS BACK TOGETHER WHERE THEY HAVE SUPPORT, WHERE THEY THEN CAN NOT ONLY BOUNCE BACK, BUT THEN ALSO HAVE THE SUPPORT TO STAY ON A COURSE THAT GETS THEM POINTING STRAIGHT UP. THEN GREAT. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THAT NETWORK AROUND YOU. WE'VE PLAYED OUR ROLE, THAT SORT OF THING. BUT THEN ALSO THE OTHER CITIES IN THE REGION PLAY THEIR ROLE AND WE ALL ARE BETTER FOR IT. RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL BOATS. SO GREAT PRESENTATION, GREAT INPUT. LET'S FOLLOW BACK UP WITH WHAT YOU HAVE AND WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL ADDRESS THOSE THINGS ACCORDINGLY OR HOWEVER Y'ALL WANT TO HANDLE THAT THAT THAT'S THAT'S FINE.

BUT THAT THAT THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS THAT THAT'S THIS WORK SESSION. DINNER IS HERE. SO WE'LL TAKE A BREAK. WE DO HAVE DIRECTION DON'T WE? I COUNTED A MAJORITY IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD. IS THAT I DON'T. YES MAYOR I HAVE I WILL VERIFY, BUT WHAT I HAVE IS COUNT AS FOUR FOR ALL RECOMMENDATIONS. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY, SO IT IS 532. WE'LL TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK TO GRAB DINNER AND THEN COME BACK IN AND WE'LL GET STARTED ON OUR LAST WORK SESSION. SO WE'RE WELCOME BACK TO THIS MEETING IN BENTON CITY COUNCIL. IT IS 544. AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. SO I'LL

[C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding remote participation for the Planning and Zoning Commission meetings. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

CALL. THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM C I'D 25659 RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING REMOTE PARTICIPATION FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS. GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR COUNCIL BILLY MATTHEWS WITH THE MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT. AND NORMALLY I'M IN THE CONTROL ROOM. TODAY. I GET TO TEST HOW FORGIVING THE CAMERAS REALLY ARE. I'LL LET YOU KNOW. THIS PRESENTATION IS TO EXPLORE REMOTE PARTICIPATION FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS. OUR GOAL TODAY IS TO PROVIDE A CLEAR, WELL ROUNDED VIEW OF THE BENEFITS, CHALLENGES, AND CONSIDERATIONS INVOLVED IN REMOTE PARTICIPATION. DTV IS RESPONSIBLE FOR A LOT OF VIDEO PRODUCTION, IMPACTFUL VISUAL STORYTELLING THAT HOPEFULLY TELLS THE DENTON STORY IN A MEANINGFUL WAY. ADDITIONALLY, WE PRODUCE A LOT OF MEETINGS, BOARD AND COMMISSIONS TELEVISED 11 OF THEM, THE FOUR LISTED HERE PRODUCED BY DTV AND THE OTHER SEVEN CONTRACTED OUT. NOTE OUR CONTRACTOR DOES NOT HAVE A REMOTE OPTION TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY. THE CITY IS LIMITED REMOTE PARTICIPATION TO COUNCIL MEETINGS, WHILE REMOTE PARTICIPATION OFFERS FLEXIBILITY FOR SOME COMMISSIONERS, WE MUST CAREFULLY CONSIDER THE OPERATIONAL AND LOGISTICAL IMPACTS, STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES, OVERTIME OR OTHER PROJECTS, NOT MEETING DEADLINES. HYBRID MEETINGS REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PREPARATION AND COMPLEX INTEGRATION AND OVERSIGHT. OTHER CHALLENGES ARE MEETING EFFICIENCY WHEN A PRESENTER HAS DIFFICULTY SHARING AND NOT SHARING THEIR SCREEN, THE VOTE SYSTEM AND REQUEST TO SPEAK FUNCTIONS NOT FULLY AVAILABLE, AND THE CLUNKY UNPREDICTABILITY. REMOTE PARTICIPANTS DO NOT COUNT TOWARD. QUORUM. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REQUIRES FOUR COMMISSIONERS PHYSICALLY PRESENT 56% OF THE MEETINGS. THIS FISCAL YEAR HAD EXACTLY FOUR COMMISSIONERS, THE MINIMUM MORE THAN HALF THE TIME, WHILE 44% HAD FIVE COMMISSIONERS. THAT'S FIVE OF SEVEN SEATS, 44% OF THE TIME. DID YOU KNOW IF REMOTE PARTICIPATION WERE CURRENTLY IN PLACE? WE COULD HAVE USED IT 44% OF THE TIME. SO DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO INTRODUCE IT NOW WHEN WE'RE ALREADY FACING ATTENDANCE AND QUORUM INSTABILITY, WE FAIL TO REACH A QUORUM AT THE JANUARY 29TH MEETING, WHICH LED TO THE CANCELLATION OF THE WORK SESSION. IS IT FAIR TO THOSE IN ATTENDANCE, INCLUDING COMMISSIONERS, STAFF, BUSINESS OWNERS, DEVELOPERS OR RESIDENTS? WE CAN DO THIS. TEXAS LAW ALLOWS REMOTE PARTICIPATION, BUT WE MUST AMEND THE RULES OF PROCEDURE TO BE ADOPTED BY COUNCIL AND ESTABLISH A CLEAR, EQUITABLE POLICY THAT ALIGNS WITH OPERATIONAL CAPACITY AND WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSEEING THE POLICY. HYPOTHETICALLY, THAT RESPONSIBILITY WOULD FALL TO THE CHAIR, WHO IS ALREADY TASKED WITH MANAGING THE MEETINGS. HYBRID MEETINGS ARE INHERENTLY MORE COMPLEX TO MANAGE AND DEMAND SIGNIFICANTLY MORE TIME AND ENERGY FROM STAFF. AS WE

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INCREASE REMOTE PARTICIPATION, IT INEVITABLY REDUCES DCTV'S CAPACITY TO FOCUS ON OTHER GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE CITY'S STRATEGIC AND COMMUNICATIONS PLANS. AND AT THIS TIME, WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE ASSOCIATED FINANCIAL COSTS OR THE PRECEDENT THIS WOULD SET. THERE ARE THREE CHOICES BEFORE COUNCIL TODAY. ANY DECISION SHOULD ENSURE FAIRNESS, FEASIBILITY AND SUSTAINABILITY. OPTION ONE STAFF RECOMMENDS POSTPONING THE CONSIDERATION OF REMOTE PARTICIPATION FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION UNTIL THE COMMISSION'S ATTENDANCE CHALLENGES ARE RESOLVED. AT PRESENT, THE LACK OF CONSISTENT ATTENDANCE MAKES REMOTE PARTICIPATION IMPRACTICAL, ENSURING A STABLE AND RELIABLE QUORUM SHOULD BE THE PRIORITY BEFORE EXPLORING ADDITIONAL MEETING FORMATS. OPTION TWO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, A WELL-DEFINED POLICY WILL BE CRITICAL, AND OPTION THREE THE STATUS QUO. MAYOR, I STAND FOR QUESTIONS. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. ANY QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. MR. CHAIRMAN, MY MOUTH IS FULL. TAKE YOUR TIME. I APOLOGIZE. SO. ON THIS SOME OF THE POINTS YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE COMPLEXITY OF IT. ARE THOSE NOT TRUE OF ALL THE MEETINGS. SO WHAT'S WHAT'S THE OVER UNDER OF GETTING OUR, OUR CONTRACTOR TO SUPPORT REMOTE PARTICIPATION AND NOT ADD TO YOUR YOUR TIME. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. WELL, THE CONTRACTOR THAT WE HAVE IS THE ONLY CONTRACTOR IN THE UNITED STATES THAT PRODUCES MULTI-CAMERA MUNICIPAL MEETINGS REMOTELY. THEY DO NOT HAVE REMOTE PARTICIPATION, NOR DO THEY WANT TO GET INTO THAT.

SO WE HAVE THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES WHAT WE HIRED TO DO, WHICH IS MULTI-CAMERA REMOTE PRODUCTION OF MUNICIPAL MEETINGS. SO THERE'S NOT A COST ASSOCIATED. IF WE WERE TO ADD THAT TO THE MIX OF THEIR MEETINGS, OBVIOUSLY, THE MEETINGS THAT DTV PRODUCES 90 A YEAR FOR THE FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, INCLUDING COUNCIL, THAT I TALKED ABOUT, WE COULD HAVE REMOTE PARTICIPATION, BUT TYPICALLY WE ALLOW ABOUT AN HOUR SET UP RUNNING THE CHECKS FOR A NORMAL MEETING LIKE TONIGHT'S MEETING, WHEN WE ADD REMOTE PARTICIPATION, THERE'S A COUPLE OF MORE HOURS WITH BOTH PEOPLE TO RUN ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, YOU'VE HAD REMOTE CALLS OR ZOOM CALLS WITH FOLKS ONE ON ONE, AND THERE'LL BE A LITTLE GREMLIN OR SOMETHING HAPPEN. PERHAPS THE BEST SOLUTION IS TO HANG UP, CALL BACK, GET BACK ON THE CALL AND IT WORKS. GETTING 11 MICROPHONES IN A ROOM, DIALED IN REMOTELY, GETTING THE PERSON THAT'S PARTICIPATING REMOTELY TO HAVE GOOD BANDWIDTH IN THEIR INTERNET CONNECTION TO BE STABLE. THOSE ARE ALL FACTORS WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME DURING THE DAY PRIOR TO THOSE MEETINGS RUNNING THE CHECKS, REBOOTING, AND RETESTING EQUIPMENT TO MAKE SURE THE AUDIO IS CORRECT. THE AUDIO IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE. OKAY, I MIGHT HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. SECOND, I'LL PASS THE BATON. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, I'LL LOOK FOR DIRECTION REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. YEAH. WELL FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, I'VE DEFINITELY COME TO APPRECIATE THROUGH OUR CONVERSATIONS HOW IT'S MUCH MORE INVOLVED THAN A SIMPLE ZOOM. SO I GET THAT AND I GET THAT IT WOULD TAKE RESOURCES AWAY FROM DOING THE VERY GOOD, YOU KNOW, INFORMATIONAL VIDEOS AND OTHER KINDS OF PRODUCTION. I DON'T SEE THAT NOT HAVING THIS HAS ENCOURAGED QUORUM TO SHOW UP.

AND ALSO THE PRESENCE OF A MEMBER AT THE MEETING HAS MORE THAN ONE FUNCTION. ONE IS TO FOG A MIRROR AND COUNT TOWARD QUORUM. BUT THERE'S ALSO DELIBERATING AND CONTRIBUTING TO THE TO THE CONVERSATION AND VOTING. AND THOSE COULD ALL BE DONE REMOTELY. SO WHEN I WEIGH THE TRADEOFFS TO ME, PLANNING AND ZONING IS MUCH MORE, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS I'M BEING THE GRINCH HERE, IT'S MUCH LESS INTERESTING TO DO, I'M SURE, THAN PRODUCE THESE AWARD WINNING, REALLY COOL VIDEOS. BUT IT'S MUCH MORE A CORE FUNCTION OF OUR GOVERNMENT. IT'S LAND USE PLANNING IS SO KEY. IT'S PROBABLY 80% OF WHAT WE DO. SO YOU KNOW THAT. THAT'S WHY I WOULD PUT THE PRIORITY THERE. I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT FOR SOME REASON, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THIS JOB PAYS MORE, WE GET MORE MID-CAREER PEOPLE. MY OBSERVATION, MID-CAREER PEOPLE

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IN PNC AND RELATIVELY MORE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MORE FLEXIBLE, YOU KNOW, SCHEDULES AND RETIREES AND SO ON AT COUNCIL. SO, YOU KNOW, TO GET GOOD PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE KIND OF MID-CAREER TYPE PEOPLE, THEY HAVE TO TRAVEL FOR WORK. THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS THESE DAYS. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT ADVANTAGE TO HAVE IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO SERVE, TO HAVE THEM PARTICIPATE. AND, AND, AND MEET OUR, OUR CORE GOVERNMENT REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. I AM GOING TO EITHER 1 OR 3 FOR ME. SO I THINK I'M GOING TO GO WITH OPTION ONE. I THINK THIS CONVERSATION IS SHOULD PUSH US TO DO A BETTER JOB IN FILLING THESE SEATS. I'VE ALREADY NOTED, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING HERE ON THE COUNCIL IS MAKING SURE THAT THESE SEATS ARE FILLED. SO I'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AT A LATER DATE. I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THIS IS THAT I'M HANGING ON THE FENCE. ANSWER. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THREE REALLY DOES MAKE MORE SENSE IN REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO MEET AN IMMEDIATE NEED, THEN IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE THREE. BUT I WANT TO I WANT TO PRESSURE US TO DO A BETTER JOB IN MAKING SURE THAT THOSE SEATS ARE FILLED WITH SOME GOOD QUALITY PEOPLE, JUST NOT JUST RANDOM PEOPLE. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I AM, NUMBER ONE. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR? STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, PLEASE. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT SIX I'LL GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, PLEASE. THAT THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION. WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE DO NEED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AT SOME POINT. I DON'T WANT US TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A FULLY STOCKED P AND Z. WE MIGHT NEVER GET A FULLY STOCKED P AND Z. WE HAVE ONE MEMBER WHO'S REFUSING TO APPOINT SOMEONE, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE GET SIX, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GO FOUR AND HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE PRESENTATION. I ALSO APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. TO ME, IT REALLY HELPED ME THINK ABOUT THIS IN A WAY THAT I WOULD NOT HAVE CONSIDERED IF WE HADN'T HAD A CHAT. THANK YOU. POINT OF CLARIFICATION. THERE'S BEEN A NOMINATION MADE, SO THERE'S NOT ANYONE THAT'S NOT REFUSING TO NOMINATE SOMEONE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. I AM MORE SWAYED BY THE MAYOR PRO TEM POINTS. SO I'M GOING TO BE CHOOSING OPTION TWO. OKAY. WE HAVE DIRECTION. BILLY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AND I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO. AND IT'S CRITICAL. THE VIDEOS YOU ALL PRODUCE ARE JUST FANTASTIC. THE WALK SIGN, ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS, AND IT'S REALLY ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY. IT'S EDUCATIONAL, ESPECIALLY AS WE ENTER A PHASE WHERE I-35 IS GOING TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN PERPETUITY. SEEMS LIKE TO HAVE THOSE KIND OF INFORMATIONAL THINGS. AND THEN JUST AROUND THE CITY, THE THREE ONE, ONE THING THAT'S COMING UP JUST THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TO GET OUT THERE. AND IT'S VERY CONSUMABLE FOR PEOPLE. SO TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL Y'ALL DO. THANK YOU. YEP. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORK SESSION. WE WILL RECONVENE IN. SO WE'RE ADJOURNED. WE'LL RECONVENE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 630

[AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED:]

GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. IT IS 630. WE WILL RECONVENE OUR MEETING. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA ARE PLEDGES TO THE UNITED STATES AND TEXAS FLAG. PLEASE STAND WITH ME IF YOU'RE ABLE. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. PERFECT. OKAY. WE

[A. Proclamation: Bette Sherman Appreciation]

HAVE A WE HAVE FOUR PROCLAMATIONS, FIRST OF WHICH IS TO RECOGNIZE BETTY SHERMAN APPRECIATION. IF YOU COULD MEET ME AT THE PODIUM THERE, WE'LL WE'LL START WITH THAT. AND

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ANYONE THAT YOU WANT TO BRING DOWN WITH YOU, PLEASE. DO YOU THINK I HAVE. HELLO. HOW ARE YOU? HI, HOW ARE YOU? OH. VERY WELL. GREAT TO SEE YOU. OKAY, SO HERE WE GO. LET'S SEE.

WE ARE RIGHT HERE. SO. OKAY, WELL, I'LL GET WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY. I'LL GIVE YOU THE FLOOR, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A PROCLAMATION IN. AND THEN WHOEVER ELSE WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING. BY ALL MEANS, PLEASE. DO. SO YEAH, I'M GOING TO SEAL IT REAL QUICK BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY SURPRISED BETTY. SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE WERE DOING THIS HONOR FOR HER, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RECOGNIZED HER FOR HER NUMBER OF YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE TO THE CITY AND TO THE ANIMALS OF THE COMMUNITY. SHE SPENT 18 YEARS ON THE BOARD. SHE STARTED THE FOUNDATION, THE DENTON ANIMAL SUPPORT FOUNDATION, AND THE SHELTER BUILDING THAT WE HAVE TODAY WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT HER LEADERSHIP. AND SHE HAS RETIRED. SHE'S TAKEN A STEP BACK. KIND OF HALF A STEP BACK. SHE STILL HAS MY CELL PHONE NUMBER, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RECOGNIZED HER AND THANKED HER FOR HER, ALL HER WORK AND HER DEDICATION BEFORE SHE WENT OFF INTO THE SUNSET. SO WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT HER. WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS AND STAFF MEMBERS AS WELL, AND SOME THE EXECUTIVE STAFF FROM DSF. SO EXCELLENT. I GUESS I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU NOW. YES. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SHARE ABOUT YOUR YOUR REFLECTING, MY REFLECTING OR JUST ANYTHING. WELL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK. IS IT ON. YES. OKAY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, FOR THIS HONOR. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR THIS HONOR. I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HELPED US AND SUPPORTED US ALL THE WAY. AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE PROFESSIONAL STAFF OF THE CITY, AND ESPECIALLY MOST ESPECIALLY OF THE SHELTER. I ASK THAT YOU ALL RECOGNIZE THE SHELTER STAFF BECAUSE IT IS A VERY HARD JOB AND VERY HEARTBREAKING MANY DAYS. SO AND WE HAVE A WONDERFUL STAFF SUPPORTED BY OUR CITY. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, BY ALL MEANS.

ABSOLUTELY. YES. OH, LOOK AT THAT. HOW FANTASTIC. THAT'S GREAT. YES. WELL THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SHARE ANYTHING? I WANT TO GIVE EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IF THEY THEY SO DESIRE. ANYONE WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? YEAH, I USUALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. YEAH, PLEASE. WELL, ALL I CAN SAY IS WE ARE SO, SO THRILLED WITH ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO DAS. YOU HAVE LED US TO A FANTASTIC SPOT. AND I KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT REALLY MOVING TOO FAR AWAY. WE'RE KEEPING YOU VERY CLOSE. SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE TO GET US TO THIS SPOT. IT'S BEEN FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. THANKS. YES. DINA. DINA IS MY REPLACEMENT. SHE IS THE NEW CHAIR. NEWLY ELECTED CHAIRMAN OF DAS. GOT IT. OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP THAT WAY. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? WE ALL SET? OKAY. GOT IT. WELL, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION. AND Y'ALL DO IT SO WELL. AND I ALWAYS ENJOY MY VISITS THERE. AND I WAS I WAS REALLY CLOSE TO CLOSING IN ON A GERBIL. I WAS LIKE, I ALMOST TALKED MYSELF INTO IT, YOU KNOW, I WAS I WAS A HARD NO ON CATS AND DOGS. BUT THEN I SAW THE GERBIL. I WAS LIKE, MAYBE. SO THANK YOU FOR Y'ALL GET Y'ALL GET A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO MANAGE THERE. SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THAT WORK.

OKAY. AND SO I HAVE A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME. GREETINGS. WHEREAS BETTY SHERMAN SERVED ON THE DENTON ANIMAL SHELTER FOUNDATION FOR OVER 18 YEARS, INCLUDING 16 YEARS AS BOARD CHAIR, AND PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN BUILDING AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS RESPONSIVE TO THE NEEDS OF AT RISK PETS IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS BETTY'S PASSION AND UNWAVERING DEDICATION HAVE BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN TRANSFORMING DAS INTO A THRIVING ORGANIZATION THAT IMPACTS THOUSANDS OF PETS AND PET OWNERS ANNUALLY. AND WHEREAS, THE CITY OF DENTON, DENTON ANIMAL SHELTER AND CITY COUNCIL WISH TO RECOGNIZE AND THANK BETTY SHERMAN FOR HER OUTSTANDING SERVICE, DEDICATION, TIRELESS WORK, AND SERVING THE DENTON COMMUNITY. NOW, THEREFORE, I, GERALD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO FORMALLY CONVEYED THIS COMMUNITY'S SINCERE AND WARMEST APPRECIATION OF BETTY SHERMAN IN A PERMANENT MANNER BY READING THIS PROCLAMATION INTO THE OFFICIAL MINUTES OF THE CITY OF DENTON, AND FORWARD TO HER A TRUE COPY THEREOF. AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, THE CITY OF DENTON, ON THIS DAY, THE 15TH DAY OF APRIL, 2025, DOES HEREBY

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OFFICIALLY EXTEND ITS THANKS TO BETTY SHERMAN FOR HER SUCCESSFUL TENURE AS CHAIR OF THE DENTON ANIMAL SHELTER SUPPORT FOUNDATION AND DEDICATED SERVICE TO THE DENTON COMMUNITY. IF WE GIVE HER A HAND. AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COULDN'T DONE IT WITHOUT YOU. YES. OKAY, Y'ALL.

SO I DIDN'T GET A PICTURE, SO Y'ALL HAVE TO MAYBE ON THE OTHER SIDE HERE AS WELL. OKAY. HEY, HOW YOU DOING? THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THAT IS GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SURE. BY ALL MEANS. YES, YES, BY ALL MEANS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND. OKAY. SO. PLEASE. OKAY. GOT IT. I'LL SEE YOU IN THE MORNING. OKAY. I'M NOT DONE WITH YOU. ALL RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. THANK YOU.

JERRY. YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT TO SEE YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU. YES. FOR SURE. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE A GREAT EVENING. YES. I LOVE IT, I LOVE. OKAY. NEXT WE

[B. Proclamation: National Preservation Month]

RECOGNIZE NATIONAL PRESERVATION MONTH. IF YOU'RE HERE FOR NATIONAL PRESERVATION MONTH YOU CAN COME ON DOWN. YEAH, RIGHT. HELLO. HEY. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? VERY WELL. GOOD, GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? VERY WELL. GOOD TO SEE YOU. HELLO. HEY, HOW ARE YOU? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HELLO. YEAH. HEY. GOOD TO SEE YOU. OKAY. YOU'RE GOING TO TELL US WHAT WE'RE RECOGNIZING? YES.

AWESOME. OKAY. WE'RE IN GREAT HANDS. HI, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS CAMERON ROBERTSON. I'M THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF DENTON. WE ARE REALLY EXCITED BECAUSE NATIONAL PRESERVATION MONTH IS COMING UP HERE JUST AROUND THE CORNER. IN MAY THIS YEAR, WE HAVE OUR FOURTH ANNUAL DENTON REVEALED, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING. WE HAVE A GREAT AND A LOT OF EVENTS COMING UP. WE HAVE AN CEMETERY TOUR, WE HAVE A DENTON SHORT VINTAGE SHORT FILM FESTIVAL THAT WE'RE DOING AT UNT COLAB, BUT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO JUST, YOU KNOW, CELEBRATE DENTON COUNTY'S HISTORY AS WELL AS THE CITY OF DENTON'S HISTORY. AND WE HOPE WE WILL SEE YOU OUT AND ABOUT IN THE MONTH OF MAY. GOT IT. AND THEN YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF. YEAH. YOU GOT TO PLUG YOUR VIDEOS. YOU DO GREAT. YOU LOOK THE SAME. OKAY. THANKS. THANKS. THANKS FOR WATCHING. MY NAME IS CHUCK BOLLINGER. I'M A SPECIAL COLLECTIONS LIBRARIAN AT THE EMILY FOWLER LIBRARY, AND I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE OUR CO-SPONSORS, THE UNT COLAB, THE DOWNTOWN DENTON FOUNDATION, THE JUSTIN HISTORIC HERITAGE FOUNDATION, CITY OF DENTON PARKS AND RECREATION, AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE I GET THEM ALL. WELL, THE DENTON COUNTY, OH, DNA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHICH SHE DIDN'T MENTION, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WALKING TOUR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH HAS GOT SOME GREAT MID-CENTURY MODERN HOUSES. SO KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN FOR THAT. SO WITH THAT, I'LL PASS IT ON. I'M KIM CUPIT, AND I'M THE CURATOR OF COLLECTIONS FOR THE DENTON COUNTY OFFICE OF HISTORY AND CULTURE AND PART OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION TEAM.

HI, I'M KELSEY GISTEL. I'M THE CURATOR OF EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS FOR THE DENTON COUNTY OFFICE OF HISTORY AND CULTURE. I'M ALSO PART OF THE DENTON REVEALED TEAM, AND I'M LINDY MCADAMS, A MEMBER OF THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION AND THE OWNER OF ONE OF THOSE MID-CENTURY MODERN HOMES. SO YOU COME OVER AND YOU CAN SEE ME. HI, I'M TINA PERKINS. I'M THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. AND I GUESS FOR ALL OF US, WE'RE THE PLANNING TEAM THAT SUPPORTS, PARTICULARLY CAMERON AND ALL OF HER HISTORIC PRESERVATION EFFORTS. BUT I ALSO WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THIS GROUP BECAUSE, LIKE CAMERON MENTIONED, THIS IS THEIR FOURTH ANNUAL EVENT. THEY STARTED THIS BECAUSE FOUR YEARS AGO ON A VERY SHOESTRING BUDGET OF FREE OR NO COST AT ALL, AND THEY'VE WORKED REALLY HARD, HAD A TREMENDOUS

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AMOUNT OF SUCCESS. THEY'VE EVEN BEEN ABLE TO SHARE THEIR STORY AT THE STATE LEVEL, AT THE PRESERVATION CONFERENCE THAT THIS STATE OF TEXAS PUTS ON AND HAVE REALLY BEEN ABLE TO HIGHLIGHT AND SHOWCASE THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE OVER THESE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. SO I REALLY COMMEND THIS TEAM, THIS CORE GROUP HERE WITH ALL OF THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE FOR THIS PARTICULAR ADVANCEMENT OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, BOTH IN THE CITY OF DENTON AND DENTON COUNTY. OKAY. OKAY. BUT BUT TRULY, I DO WANT YOU TO SHARE. SO YOUR VIDEO, WHERE DO PEOPLE FIND IT? IS IT DTV? THE VIDEO IS KIND OF WHEN YOU MAKE THE FEATURES OF THE. YEAH, YEAH, IT'S THE CITY. IT'S THE CITY OF DENTON FACEBOOK PAGE IS WHERE THEY'RE THE DENTON TIME MACHINE.

THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF YOU'VE NOT WATCHED IT, PLEASE. IT'S REALLY GREAT. VERY INFORMATIVE. AND SO I'VE ENJOYED THEM A LOT. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT WORK. YEAH. YEAH.

OKAY. SO WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME. GREETINGS. WHEREAS THE NATIONAL TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ESTABLISHED MAY AS PRESERVATION MONTH IN 1973 TO PROMOTE HISTORIC PLACES FOR THE PURPOSE OF INSTILLING NATIONAL AND COMMUNITY PRIDE, PROMOTING HERITAGE TOURISM, AND SHOWING THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AND WHEREAS, THE CITY OF DENTON AND DENTON COUNTY ARE CELEBRATING WITH A SERIES OF EVENTS CALLED DENTON REVEALED PRESENTATION MONTH IN 2025. AND WHEREAS PRESERVATION MONTH CAN INSTILL AWARENESS OF LOCAL, HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT BUILDINGS, LANDMARKS AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS WITHIN DENTON AND CELEBRATE THE ROLE OF HISTORY IN OUR LIVES AND THE CONTRIBUTIONS MADE BY DEDICATED INDIVIDUALS IN HELPING TO PRESENT THE HERITAGE THAT HAS SHAPED OUR COMMUNITY. PARDON ME, PRESERVED THE HERITAGE THAT HAS SHAPED OUR COMMUNITY. NOW. THEREFORE, I, GERALD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM MAY 2025 AS NATIONAL PRESERVATION MONTH IN THE CITY OF DENTON AND ENCOURAGE ALL COMMUNITIES TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE AND APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT IS ACCOMPLISHED BY OUR LOCAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMUNITY.

IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A HAND. IN THIS AUDIENCE WILL TAKE A PICTURE. SEAN YOUNG, COME ON THIS SIDE OR SOMETHING, MAYBE. YEAH, LET'S GET SOME. WE GOOD? OKAY. AWESOME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH I APPRECIATE IT. YES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YES, I HAVE POSTERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES. YEAH. SO. GOOD. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. AREA. ALL RIGHT.

[C. Proclamation: National Volunteer Week - Police]

NEXT IS NATIONAL POLICE VOLUNTEER WEEK. IF YOU ALL ARE HERE FOR THAT YOU CAN COME ON DOWN. YES OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU SIR. FIRST UP THERE. ALL RIGHT. WHO'S OUR. WE'LL GET EVERYONE SETTLED AND FIND OUR SPOKESPERSON. ALL RIGHT. DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? NO, I DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING. OKAY. SHE DOES. OKAY. HOW ARE YOU DOING? GOOD, GOOD. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PAUL WILLENBROCK. I'M WITH THE CITY OF DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND ON BEHALF OF THE CHIEF AND THE REST OF THE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE HERE TO RECOGNIZE OUR POLICE VOLUNTEERS. THEY DO SO MUCH FOR US. AND DEDICATING THEIR TIME AND EFFORT, THEY'VE BECOME INSTRUMENTAL PART OF OPERATIONS AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AT THE TRAINING CENTER. WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE FOR ALL THEIR TIME AND EFFORT THAT THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE DENT COMMUNITY, SO THEIR RECOGNITION IS WELL DESERVED, AND I'M GLAD TO BE HERE AND DO IT FOR THEM. AND CITIZENS ACADEMY, WHEN IS THAT OR HOW DO PEOPLE FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THAT? YOU CAN CHECK THE DENTON CITY OF DENTON POLICE WEBSITE. WE HAVE ONE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY AND THEN WHEN WE START THE NEXT ONE, THOSE DATES WILL BE POSTED AND RELEASED. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD? WE ALL GOOD. OKAY, GREAT. WELL YEAH I WANT TO ECHO WHAT HE SAID. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I SEE Y'ALL EVERYWHERE Y'ALL DOING I DO A LOT. SO THANK YOU FOR THOSE HOURS. AND IT REALLY HELPS US. AND IT'S JUST GREAT TO SEE YOU AT THOSE EVENTS AND RAISING AWARENESS AND GETTING PEOPLE PLUGGED IN. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S A PROCLAMATION WHERE IT SAYS GREETINGS. WHEREAS SINCE 1974, NATIONAL VOLUNTEER WEEK HAS HONORED THE IMPACT OF ALL THOSE WHO DO GOOD IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND INSPIRE OTHERS TO MAKE A MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD. THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY, POLICE VOLUNTEERS AND

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CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY ALUMNI ASSOCIATION PROVIDE INVALUABLE SUPPORT, RESOURCES AND ASSISTANCE TO THE DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH VARIOUS INITIATIVES AND EVENTS. AND WHEREAS THESE VOLUNTEERS HAVE SELFLESSLY DEDICATED THOUSANDS OF HOURS EVERY YEAR HELPING THE DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT IN CRITICAL AREAS LIKE WARRANTS, RECORDS, PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE, CITY JAIL AND FLEET SERVICES. AND WHEREAS, DURING NATIONAL VOLUNTEER WEEK, THE DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT CELEBRATES THE PROFOUND IMPACT OF VOLUNTEERS, EXPRESSING OUR DEEPEST GRATITUDE FOR THEIR UNWAVERING DEDICATION, SELFLESS SERVICE, AND PROFOUND CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE WELL BEING OF OUR AGENCY AND OUR COMMUNITY. NOW, THEREFORE, I, GERALD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THIS WEEK, APRIL 20TH THROUGH THE 26TH, 2025, AS NATIONAL POLICE VOLUNTEER WEEK IN THE CITY OF DENTON AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO RECOGNIZE AND HONOR THESE INDIVIDUALS IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A HAND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY, WE'LL GET A PICTURE. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. WHERE'S MY GOD? WHAT'S THAT? WHERE'S MY GOD? ALL RIGHT. YEAH, IT'S. WE'RE GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER. YEAH. THAT'S OKAY. I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SMILE. ALL RIGHT. ONE. TWO. THREE. THANK YOU GUYS.

AWESOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. THANK Y'ALL. APPRECIATE Y'ALL. WHO'S GREAT TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NICE TO MEET YOU. YEAH. MY PLEASURE. MY PLEASURE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LIKEWISE. APPRECIATE IT. HEY. GREAT TO SEE YOU. THANKS. YES. THANK YOU TO GOD. THANK YOU. BROTHER. AND THEN I HAVE SOME EXTRA COPIES HERE. GUARANTEED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JADEN. JADEN, HOW ARE YOU? NICE TO MEET YOU. HEY. COME HERE. LET'S GET A PICTURE SO I CAN PROVE TO PEOPLE I KNOW YOU. HERE WE GO. I DON'T THINK MY. STRANGE. ALRIGHT THEN. WE NEED ONE OFFICIAL. HERE WE GO. WE'RE SHAKING HANDS. THERE WE GO. NOW YOU LOOK AT HER. WHY ARE WE SHAKING? THERE WE GO. OH, THAT'S A POWER POSE RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND OUR LAST ONE IS

[D. Proclamation: National Community Development Week]

NATIONAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WEEK. OKAY. AWESOME. OKAY. WHAT ARE WE RECOGNIZING? NATIONAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WEEK? YES. SO I'M COURTNEY, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES.

I'M LUISA GARCIA, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER. AND WE'RE JUST HERE TO RECOGNIZE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT AND HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP FUNDS. THESE ARE FEDERAL FUNDS THAT ARE GRANTED TO THE CITY EVERY YEAR THAT FUND REALLY CRUCIAL PROGRAMS THAT MAKE PEOPLE FIRST TIME HOMEBUYERS WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO THINK ABOUT OR MAKE HOME BUYING A REALITY FOR THEMSELVES. THESE FUNDS HELP PRESERVE CRUCIAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND ENSURE THAT PEOPLE CAN AGE IN PLACE. AND QUALITY HOMES. THEY HELP PROVIDE AFFORDABLE CHILD CARE FOR WORKING FAMILIES. AND DO LOTS OF OTHER GREAT THINGS. AND I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF POSTCARDS AND LETTERS HERE FROM CURRENT AND PAST RECIPIENTS OF FUNDS. WHO'VE BENEFITED FROM THESE FUNDS. AND WE'RE EXCITED TO CONTINUE TO SHARE THAT IMPACT WITH OUR LOCAL PARTNERS AND WITH OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS, AND TO CELEBRATE THESE PROGRAMS TODAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND IF YOU I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET TO KNOW MORE. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT THE SPECIFICALLY CDBG FUNDS? I GUESS, BUT OVERALL, JUST THAT PROCESS OF APPLICATION, IN-PERSON PRESENTATION. CAN YOU STEP US THROUGH THAT? BECAUSE IT'S A REALLY NEAT PROCESS. ABSOLUTELY. SO WE DO HAVE A COMMUNITY SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WE HAVE SOME FORMER COMMITTEE MEMBERS WITH US TODAY, AND YOU'VE SEEN THEM UP HERE FOR THE OTHER PROCLAMATIONS TODAY AS WELL. BUT IT'S AN ANNUAL PROCESS WHERE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS CAN APPLY FOR FUNDING. AND OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWS THOSE APPLICATIONS, HEARS FROM THE APPLICANTS AND MAKES FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO COUNCIL EVERY YEAR ACROSS ALL OF THOSE PROGRAMS. USING OUR FEDERAL FUNDS AND OUR GENERAL FUND DOLLARS THAT COUNCIL ALLOCATES FOR THOSE PROGRAMS AS WELL. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME.

GREETINGS. WHEREAS THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, OR CDBG PROGRAM IS NOW IN ITS 51ST YEAR, AND THE HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM NOW IN ITS 35TH YEAR. AND WHEREAS THE CITY

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OF DENTON HAS RECEIVED 39,000,039.2 MILLION FROM THE CDBG PROGRAM SINCE 1984 AND 16.9 MILLION FROM THE HOME PROGRAM SINCE 1994. AND WHEREAS THE CDBG PROGRAM PROVIDES ANNUAL FUNDING TO LOCAL COMMUNITIES TO PROVIDE A SAFE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SUITABLE LIVING ENVIRONMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES TO LOW AND MODERATE INCOME CITIZENS. WHILE THE HOME PROGRAM PROVIDES FUNDING TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. AND WHEREAS, THE CITY OF DENTON'S CDBG AND HOME ALLOCATIONS HAVE FUNDED 697 PROGRAMS, REPAIRED 1716 HOMES, AND HELPED 591ST TIME HOME BUYERS, AND SERVED 313,752 PEOPLE ACROSS PUBLIC SERVICES, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOUSING PROJECTS. AND WHEREAS, CDBG AND HOME FOSTER A STRONG NETWORK AMONG THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, RESIDENTS, BUSINESS AND NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS WORKING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF DENTON RESIDENTS. NOW, THEREFORE, I, GERALD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THIS WEEK, APRIL 21ST THROUGH 25TH, 2025, AS NATIONAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WEEK IN THE CITY OF DENTON AND URGE ALL FELLOW CITIZENS TO SUPPORT THESE TWO VALUABLE PROGRAMS THAT HAVE MADE TREMENDOUS CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE VIABILITY OF OUR LOCAL HOUSING, INFRASTRUCTURE, PUBLIC SERVICES AND ECONOMIC VITALITY IN OUR COMMUNITY. IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A HAND. THANK YOU. SO JUST ONE. WHAT'S THAT? OKAY. THERE WE GO. OKAY. GOT IT. AND SO WE'LL GET THIS. WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THESE. WITH THESE TO YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. IF WE CAN PLAY THE VIDEO FOR ADDRESSING COUNCIL. THE

[3. PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC]

DENTON CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, INCLUDING A CODE OF CONDUCT THAT APPLIES TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBERS. THESE RULES WERE ENACTED TO PROMOTE AN ORDERLY PROCESS AND TO PRESERVE DECORUM. SPEAKERS WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE A SCHEDULED REPORT AND FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE AN OPEN MIC REPORT. A BELL WILL RING WHEN TIME HAS EXPIRED. IF THE REMARKS ARE NOT CONCLUDED BY THAT TIME, THE SPEAKER WILL BE ASKED TO STOP SPEAKING. IF THE SPEAKER DOES NOT CEASE AND A SECOND REQUEST IS MADE, THE MAYOR MAY REQUEST TO HAVE THE SPEAKER REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER. SPEAKERS SHOULD NOT APPROACH THE DAIS. IF A SPEAKER HAS MATERIALS FOR THE COUNCIL, PLEASE NOTIFY THE CITY SECRETARY IN ADVANCE FOR SCHEDULED REPORTS. THE COUNCIL MAY INITIATE DISCUSSION OR ASK QUESTIONS FOR NONSCHEDULED OPEN MIC REPORTS.

THE COUNCIL MAY LISTEN, HOWEVER, BECAUSE NO NOTICE OF THE SUBJECT OF THE OPEN MIC REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC IN ADVANCE. THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR DECISION BY THE COUNCIL ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS. AS A RESULT, THE COUNCIL MAY ONLY PROCEED AS FOLLOWS ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS PROPOSED TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. MAKE A STATEMENT OF FACTUAL POLICY OR A RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY. SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO DIRECT ALL REMARKS AND QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE, AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MAKING ABUSIVE, PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE, OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS. ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE MAY BE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE. COPIES OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY SECRETARY. OKAY, GREAT. THE FIRST SPEAKER IS JANE PIPER. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. FOUR MINUTES AND 20S. I CAN'T CUT IT DOWN. I'M TRYING. OKAY. MY NAME IS JANE PIPER, AND I LIVE AT 1317 NORTH AUSTIN. I HAVE SOME TOUGH THINGS TO SAY FIRST, BUT THIS WILL WIND UP BEING A RAH RAH SPEECH. HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE? HOW MANY OF YOU CLAIM A MORTGAGE INTEREST TAX DEDUCTION? CONGRATULATIONS! YOU ARE A RECIPIENT OF THE LARGEST FEDERAL HOUSING PROGRAM IN THE US. IT IS $71 BILLION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, AND 90% OF THOSE WHO TAKE WHO TAKE IT MAKE OVER $120,000. SO WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING, LET'S DROP THE I DON'T WANT TO SPEND MY TAX

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DOLLARS ON THESE BUMS. WELL, I HAVE THINGS I COULD SAY ABOUT THE CITY'S PLAN. I HAVE A COUPLE OF POINTS I WANT TO HIT. UNLESS YOU ARE TRAINED IN HOMELESSNESS CARE, UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY GET TO KNOW HOMELESS PEOPLE, YOUR OPINIONS ARE AS WORTHLESS AS YO. GOING OUT AND TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO WORKERS HOW TO MAKE A STREET. AND THIS IS A PROBLEM WITH DENTON. FIRST, WE HAVE PEOPLE MAKING DECISIONS WHO ARE NOT TRAINED. THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE PROBLEMS THESE PEOPLE LIVE WITH AND FACE DAILY AND HOW TO HELP THEM. WE HAVE A SHELTER RUN BY PEOPLE WHO, WITH NO EXPERIENCE IN RUNNING A SUCCESSFUL SHELTER, AND CITY OFFICIALS INTERFERING WITH NO REAL EXPERIENCE OR TRAINING. YOU ARE TAKING STABS IN THE DARK EVERY TIME YOU MAKE A DECISION ON THIS. SECONDLY, THE CITY HAS NO REAL COLLECTIVE COMMITMENT TO SOLVING HOMELESSNESS. I GET SO TIRED OF HEARING POLITICIANS AND MPO HEADS SAY WE WILL NEVER SOLVE HOMELESSNESS. THAT ATTITUDE DEFEATS EVERY ISSUE YOU TRY, SO WHY BOTHER? THERE ARE CITIES ON THEIR WAY TO DOING THIS. HOUSTON DECREASED THEIR HOMELESSNESS BY 63% IN FOUR YEARS. BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE A COMMITMENT TO SOLVE IT. Y'ALL NEED GUIDANCE. I PROPOSE YOU MAKE NO DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT HIRING A SUCCESSFUL CONSULTANT TO ASSESS THE NEEDS AND DEVISE A PLAN. AND THEN YOU GET A CITIZENS COMMITTEE, THEN FOLLOW WHAT THEY SAY. LARGER CITIES ARE ABLE TO SUCCEED WITH HOUSING FIRST. BUT ACCORDING TO THE FORMER HOUSING COMMISSIONER FOR NEW YORK CITY, HOUSING FIRST IS NOT HOUSING FIRST WITHOUT WRAPAROUND SERVICES. WE DO NOT HAVE THE SERVICES TO SEND CASEWORKERS ALL OVER TOWN TO INDIVIDUALS. THE IDEA THAT STABILIZING A PERSON BY GIVING THEM HOUSING IS A MISNOMER. 95% OF HOMELESS PEOPLE HAD CHILDHOOD TRAUMA. 51% HAD TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY. 20% ARE SCHIZOPHRENIC. 15 PLUS PERCENT ARE VETERANS. THE ONE THING ALL THESE PEOPLE HAVE IN COMMON IS TRAUMA. YOU STICK SOMEONE IN AN APARTMENT OR A SHELTER WITH NO TRANSPORTATION, NO ACTIVITY, NO SUPPORT SYSTEM, AND YOU'RE CREATING A PETRI DISH OF PTSD.

PEOPLE ACTING OUT, HAVING NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING, WHO WIND UP EVICTED OR KICKED OUT. BUILDING TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IS THE IS PARAMOUNT FOR OUR HOMELESS FRIENDS. YOU HAVE ORGANIZATIONS WAITING TO DO THIS. AS PAM GUTIERREZ, HEAD OF MH, SAID, THEY HAVE GROUP SAID THAT HAVING GROUP TRANSITIONAL HOUSING CREATES A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR BOTH THE RESIDENTS AND THEIR CASEWORKERS. WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO CAMPS OR ON THE STREET TO FIND THEM. NOW THINK OF THIS DREAM BIG. BETWEEN JUST TWO AGENCIES, THEY ARE WILLING TO CREATE 250 HOUSES, ADD METHODIST WORKFORCE HOUSING. THAT'S 380. THE SHELTER 475 GIVING GRACE 520 COMMUNITY FOREVER. IF THEY CAN PULL IT OFF 660 AND HABITAT MAKES 695 HOUSES, YOUR ORGS ARE WILLING TO BUILD. THAT'S YOUR TIME. ARE WE CLOSE? I MEAN, 20S 20S. YEAH. AND AT NO TO LITTLE EXPENSE TO THE CITY. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE YOUR COOPERATION. WE CAN SOLVE HOMELESSNESS IN THIS TOWN. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WE WOULD BE THE FIRST CITY IN THE UNITED STATES TO DO IT. YOU CAN MAKE HISTORY, AND THIS CAN BE YOUR LEGACY. LET'S DO THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH I APPRECIATE IT. TRACY DUCKWORTH IS THE NEXT SPEAKER. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN, GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

MY NAME IS TRACY DUCKWORTH. FIRST OF ALL, DITTO. LIKE EVERYTHING SHE SAID, THAT WAS AWESOME. FOR REAL? SHE'S LIKE, ON THE EVERYTHING SHE SAID. AND. ONE PERSON WAS LEFT OUT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAD DIED ON THE STREETS. WE MENTIONED DYLAN GURLEY. THAT WAS WONDERFUL. WE LEFT OUT KIMBERLY POLLACK, OLD LADY ON A WALKER, 70 YEARS OLD, HANDICAPPED, DID NOT GET A BED REPEATEDLY AND DIED IN MACK PARK. PLEASE LET'S NOT LEAVE HER NAME OUT OF ANYTHING. Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT IN THE WORK SESSION, ABOUT TIMELINES AND HOW LONG IT WOULD

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TAKE TO GET PEOPLE HOUSED AND ALL THOSE THINGS. AND I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT Y'ALL HAVE STILL YET TO AND REFUSE TO SPEAK TO ANY OF US. YOU HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO ME. YOU HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO A HOMELESS PERSON, NOT EVEN THE ONES THAT ARE MAKE UP YOUR DISTRICT. YOU DON'T SPEAK TO US.

THAT'S WHERE YOU NEED TO GET YOUR DATA FROM. WE'RE NOT DATA. THIS IS OUR LIVES. IT TOOK ME EIGHT MONTHS. EIGHT MONTHS AFTER I WAS HOMELESS IN DENTON FOR SIX. I WAS HOMELESS FOR SIX YEARS, AND THEN A YEAR AND A HALF OF IT ON THE STREETS IN DENTON. IT TOOK ME EXACTLY EIGHT MONTHS AFTER SIGNING THE, I DON'T KNOW, ALL THE LETTERS, THE PAPERWORK. I'M SORRY. YOU KNOW, THE SIGN UP, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SYSTEM I SIGNED UP WITH THAT WITH. I'M SO SORRY. I'M SO UPSET. I SIGNED UP WITH GIVING GRACE STREET OUTREACH. IT TOOK ME EIGHT MONTHS, AND. AND THAT IS LIKE FLASH GORDON SPEED TO GET HOUSING EIGHT MONTHS. THE ONLY REASON WHY I GOT HOUSED SO FAST IS BECAUSE TWICE A WEEK, I WOULD GET ON THE BUS BECAUSE I WAS HOMELESS AND HAD NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. AND I WOULD GO TO GIVING GRACE SIT IN THEIR OFFICE AND HAVE MY NERVOUS BREAKDOWN BECAUSE I WAS HAVING ONE ANYWAY, AND I JUST HAD IT IN THE AIR CONDITIONING. IT TOOK ME EIGHT MONTHS TO GET HOUSED AND I WENT DOWN THERE TWICE A WEEK, TWICE A WEEK AND JUST HELLO, I'M STILL.

IT WAS GETTING BAD ON THE STREETS. IT WAS GETTING REALLY BAD. I DON'T WANT TO TRIGGER ANYBODY. IT WAS GETTING VERY BAD. VERY DANGEROUS OUT THERE. IT'S VERY DANGEROUS OUT THERE.

AND THEN THE AUDIT EVEN SHOWED THAT THERE'S THREE TIMES THE BEDS FOR MEN, THAT THERE ARE FOR WOMEN. AND ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HOLDING ANYBODY ACCOUNTABLE AT ALL? BECAUSE, I MEAN, THE AUDIT PRETTY MUCH PROVED NOT ONLY EVERYTHING THAT I'VE BEEN COMING HERE EIGHT TIMES TO SAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY THAT HAS A CONTRACT WITH Y'ALL AND HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM HAS BROKEN SAID CONTRACT, AND ALL WE'RE DOING IS REWRITING CONTRACTS. ARE WE HOLDING ANYBODY RESPONSIBLE OR ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOT DOING WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE DOING AND NOT DOING WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO? ALSO, IT TOOK ME EIGHT MONTHS TO GET HOUSED. AND I GOT PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. I AM DISABLED, I GET A CHECK EVERY MONTH, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A REALLY AWESOME SCAR AND A TITANIUM ARM. I DO NOT GET MY CHECK FOR THAT. I GET MY CHECK FOR PTSD SCHIZOPHRENIA, AND I ALSO HAVE WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? THE I HAVE A TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE SAID. I MIGHT NOT WANT TO, BUT. THE MORE I CAME HERE AND TRIED TO EXPOSE THE TRUTH TO Y'ALL AND DID NOT GET HURT AT ALL. THE MORE I WAS TREATED LIKE CRAP BY MY HOUSING PROGRAM, I EVEN SAID THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. I EVEN CAME BACK AND SAID THAT IT DID HAPPEN WAS HAPPENING. Y'ALL STILL DIDN'T CARE. 30S OKAY, SO FAST FORWARD TWO WEEKS AGO. I VOLUNTARILY EXITED THE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROGRAM. WHY? Y'ALL SHOULD ALL KNOW WHY I CAME HERE EIGHT TIMES TELLING Y'ALL I WAS MENTALLY ABUSED INTO THE GROUND. THERE ARE NO WRAPAROUND SERVICES. WE GET HOUSING ONLY, NOT HOUSING FIRST. THERE ARE NO WRAPAROUND SERVICES. THEY DON'T EXIST. IF WE ASK ABOUT WRAPAROUND SERVICES, WE ARE RETALIATED AGAINST AND TREATED LIKE CRAP. AND WE ARE MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE. WE'VE GOT ENOUGH MENTAL PROBLEMS WITHOUT BEING MENTALLY ABUSED. TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TAKES US TO ADAM HOROWITZ. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES, PLEASE. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. MY NAME IS ADAM HOROWITZ, AND I'VE BEEN DOCUMENTING MY EXPERIENCES AT OUR DAILY BREAD SINCE OCTOBER 2020. FOR. I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO TWO CRITICAL ASPECTS OF THE CITY'S OVERSIGHT FAILURE TONIGHT. FIRST, IN MY MARCH 31ST EMAIL TO CITY OFFICIALS, I EXPLICITLY, EXPLICITLY STATED MY BELIEF THAT SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS FROM THE SHELTER HAD DIED AS A RESULT OF BEING FORCED OUTSIDE IN COLD WEATHER. THIS WAS NOT A MINOR CONCERN. IT WAS A STATEMENT ABOUT POTENTIAL LOSS OF LIFE AT A CITY OWNED FACILITY. YET NOT A SINGLE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSIGHT ASKED ME FOR NAMES, DETAILS OR CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THESE POSSIBLE DEATHS. THIS SILENCE SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT THE ACTUAL LEVEL OF OVERSIGHT BEING EXERCISED. SECONDLY, ANY SO-CALLED AUDIT THAT EXCLUDES INPUT FROM SHELTER RESIDENTS IS A MEANINGLESS EXERCISE IN BUREAUCRATIC THEATER. SHELTER RESIDENTS ARE THE FOREMOST AUTHORITIES ON THE ISSUES AFFECTING THEM BECAUSE WE LIVE THESE REALITIES DAILY. I WAS REPEATEDLY INSTRUCTED THAT ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER JESSE KENT WAS THE PERSON IN CHARGE OF OVERSIGHT. WHEN I DIRECTLY ASKED HIM TO INCORPORATE RESIDENT INSIGHT INTO THE REPORT, HE

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DECLINED. WHEN I REITERATED MY REQUEST, HE IGNORED ME FOR EIGHT DAYS WHILE ENJOYING AN INTERNATIONAL VACATION. DURING THAT TIME, I AND MANY OTHERS WERE FORCED TO SLEEP OUTSIDE IN 36 DEGREE WEATHER CONDITIONS IN 32 DEGREE WEATHER CONDITIONS, AND THESE WERE NIGHTS WHERE OTB DID NOT EVEN UTILIZE ITS AVAILABLE CAPACITY. NOW, MR. KENT PROPOSES SLASHING SHELTER CAPACITY IN HALF, SELECTIVELY CITING GUIDELINES ABOUT CASE MANAGER RATIOS WHILE IGNORING FEDERAL MANDATES ON CIVIL RIGHTS PROTECTIONS AND REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS. THIS IS PARTICULARLY TROUBLING, GIVEN THAT I PERSONALLY NOTIFIED HIM IN WRITING ABOUT ONGOING CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS AND THE SHELTER'S PERSISTENT FAILURE TO PROVIDE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR SERIOUS MEDICAL CONDITIONS. IN OUR MEETING ON APRIL 14TH, MR. KENT EXPLICITLY STATED THAT HIS OVERSIGHT ROLE DOES NOT INCLUDE INVESTIGATING CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. THE CITY INVESTED MILLIONS IN THE OTB FACILITY AND MAINTAINS A FORMAL PARTNERSHIP WITH THIS ORGANIZATION. THIS PUBLIC FUNDING CREATES CLEAR OBLIGATIONS TO FOLLOW FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS PROTECTIONS, INCLUDING REQUIREMENTS FOR REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS. YET, WHEN PRESENTED WITH DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF THESE FAILURES, MR. KENT HAS SHOWN FAR MORE CONCERN FOR SHOPPING CARTS AT KROGER AND TARGET THAN FOR THE LIVES OF OUR COMMUNITY'S MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS, WHO CAN BE KICKED TO THE CURB DURING FREEZING WEATHER AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE, EVEN WHEN THEY HAVE SERIOUS HEALTH CONDITIONS. THE AUDITOR CLAIMS NO RECOGNIZED STANDARDS EXIST FOR INCLEMENT WEATHER PROTOCOLS, BUT NUMEROUS MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS TEXAS HAVE ESTABLISHED STANDARDS FAR MORE COMPREHENSIVE THAN OTB HAS. I UNDERSTAND THE COUNCIL'S CONCERNS ABOUT COSTS.

HOWEVER, THE SOLUTION IS NOT TO REDUCE CAPACITY BUT TO TRANSFORM THE MODEL. RESIDENT LED SHELTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE DEMONSTRATED SUCCESS IN REDUCING OPERATIONAL COSTS WHILE IMPROVING OUTCOMES WHEN HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS ARE SEEN AS HUMANS WITH VALUABLE SKILLS AND INSIGHTS, RATHER THAN PROBLEMS TO BE MANAGED WITH PIE CHARTS AND TOP DOWN SOLUTIONS. SHELTERS CAN TRANSITION FROM COST CENTERS INTO COMMUNITY ASSETS, AS OUTLINED IN MY COMPREHENSIVE DEMAND LETTER DATED APRIL 14TH. I RESPECTFULLY URGE THIS COUNCIL TO IMPLEMENT IMMEDIATE CHANGES TO PREVENT FURTHER HARM, TO PREVENT TRAGIC AND UNNECESSARY SUFFERING, INCLUDING MEANINGFUL HOMELESS PARTICIPATION IN THESE DECISIONS, AND ESTABLISHING CLEAR ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES.

THE ELEMENTS OF MY LETTER ARE NOT ISOLATED INCIDENTS, BUT EVIDENCE OF SYSTEMIC NEGLIGENCE THAT DEMANDS IMMEDIATE ACTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER. BUT, MISS CITY MANAGER, YOU CAN JUST IF YOU HAVE RESPONSES, Y'ALL CAN SEND THAT OUT DURING THE WEEK OR WHATEVER. I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK AND FORTH, BUT I DO WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THOSE CONCERNS THAT ARE RAISED. LAST SPEAKER IS DON, AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY THIS WRONG. SHAPLEY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU CAN SAY, GIVE US YOUR NAME. YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. MY NAME IS DON SHAPLEY, AND I LIVE IN FLOWER MOUND. BUT I SERVE AS CEO OF GIVING GRACE HERE IN DENTON.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU, FIRST OF ALL, TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS JUST FOR TAKING ON THE ISSUE OF WORKING AND DIVING INTO SOLUTIONS FOR OUR UNHOUSED POPULATION. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO ASK IF YOU WOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION A PART OF THAT POPULATION IS ALSO AND MAYOR, YOU SAID IT EARLIER IN THE WORK SESSION. IT INCLUDES SINGLE DADS, SINGLE MOMS. IT INCLUDES FAMILIES AND KIDS. SO RIGHT NOW WE REALLY DO HAVE AN UPCOMING PROBLEM WITH JULY 30TH OR JULY 1ST, WE WILL BE CLOSING THE FAMILY SHELTER THAT WE'VE BEEN RUNNING FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. IT'S BEEN VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH HAVING FAMILIES HOUSED THERE. WE HAVE 18 ROOMS. THOSE ROOMS ARE CONTINUOUSLY AT CAPACITY. WE USUALLY HOUSE 1 OR 2 FAMILIES IN OTHER MOTELS UNTIL WE CAN MOVE THEM IN THERE. WE MOVE THEM THROUGH THERE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN WITH SUPPORTIVE SERVICES. WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET INTO ONE OF OUR HOUSING PROGRAMS. SO ONCE WE DO GET THEM INTO HOUSING, WE DON'T JUST LEAVE THEM, WE WALK ALONGSIDE OF THEM AND REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS NOT REOCCURRING. SO I WOULD ASK THAT THERE BE SOME CONSIDERATION AND SOME LOOK JUST AT THE NUMBERS AND THE DATA FOR THESE FAMILIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF FAMILIES ON THE STREET COME JULY 2ND. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR THE WORK YOU DO. THAT TAKES US THAT

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THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS, TAKES US TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. I WILL TAKE NOTHING WAS PULLED, SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. I MOVED TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT

[A. Conduct the first of two public hearings of the City of Denton, Texas regarding the adoption of a Strategic Partnership Agreement between the City of Denton and Sanctuary Municipal Utility District No. 1 of Denton County.]

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PASSES 7 TO 0. TAKES US TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. LET ME GET THERE. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT IS FIVE A WHICH IS ID 25187. CONDUCT THE FIRST OF TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS OF THE CITY OF DENTON REGARDING TEXAS. DENTON, TEXAS, REGARDING THE ADOPTION OF A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON AND SANCTUARY MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT NUMBER ONE OF DENTON COUNTY. AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THERE'S NO ACTION FOR THIS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND, MR. MAYOR, IT'S ITEM B AS WELL. OKAY. I'LL DO THAT AS WELL FOR BOTH. SURE.

[B. Conduct the first of two public hearings of the City of Denton, Texas regarding the adoption of a Strategic Partnership Agreement between the City of Denton and Sanctuary Municipal Utility District No. 2 of Denton County.]

ITEM FIVE B WHICH IS ID 25238. CONDUCT THE FIRST OF TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, REGARDING THE ADOPTION OF A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON AND SANCTUARY MUNICIPAL DISTRICT NUMBER TWO OF DENTON COUNTY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING.

MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL CHARLIE ROSENTHAL WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING FOR A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT WITH THE SANCTUARY NUMBER ONE AND SANCTUARY NUMBER TWO MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS. AS A REMINDER, MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT IS A SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT CREATED FOR THE ABILITY TO TAX, FOR DEVELOPMENT TO COVER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS SUCH AS WATER, SEWER, AND DRAINAGE. OUR HISTORY WITH THE SANCTUARY MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT. WE RECEIVED INITIAL APPLICATIONS IN 2022, AND THEN WE RECEIVED A PETITION FOR CONSENT TO IN FOR ADDITIONAL LAND IN OCTOBER OF 2024, AND THEN THIS ITEM WAS BROUGHT FORWARD IN FEBRUARY 4TH WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT ALSO INCLUDED UTILITY SERVICE AGREEMENTS AND THE STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT.

SO HERE'S SANCTUARY NUMBER, MUD NUMBER ONE, AND SANCTUARY MUD NUMBER TWO. THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 273 ACRES FOR SANCTUARY ONE AND 563 FOR TWO. THEY'RE PLANNING ON HAVING APPROXIMATELY 3000 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND 5.9 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL. THEY EXPECT THAT CONSTRUCTION TO START IN THE QUARTER FOUR OF THIS YEAR, AND FIRST HOMES TO BE IN QUARTER TWO OF 2027. SO THIS STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT WAS INITIATED BY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. IT REQUIRES TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING AND THE NEXT ONE IS SCHEDULED FOR MAY 6TH. THIS INCLUDES LIMITED PURPOSE ANNEXATIONS, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR THE CITY TO COLLECT SALES TAX. FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND 50% OF THAT SALES TAX WOULD BE REMITTED TO THE MUD. AND IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR A FUTURE FULL PURPOSE ANNEXATION OF THE PROPERTY. AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SEEING NONE, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU'D CARE TO SPEAK, YOU CAN AND THEN JUST FILL OUT A CARD AFTERWARDS. SEEING NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM B. ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM B? SEEING NONE. AND IF YOU CARE TO SPEAK ON ITEM B, YOU CAN YOU JUST COME DOWN AND FILL OUT A CARD AFTER THE FACT. SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM B THAT WILL

[C. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton adopting Standards of Care for recreational care programs administered by Denton’s Parks and Recreation department pursuant to Texas Human Resources Code Section 42.041(b)(14); and providing an effective date. The Parks, Recreation, and Beautification Board recommends approval (5-0).]

TAKE US TO. OUR NEXT ITEM, ITEM C, WHICH IS FIVE, C, WHICH IS I'D 25586. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, ADOPTING A STANDARD OF CARE FOR RECREATIONAL RECREATIONAL CARE PROGRAMS ADMINISTERED BY DENTON PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS HUMAN RESOURCES CODE, SECTION 442. 041B 14, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL, AS WELL AS RESPECTED CITY STAFF. THAT WAY AGAIN, RAMIR MARTIN, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF REGULATORY SERVICES REQUIRES MUNICIPALITIES TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ANNUALLY TO APPROVE OUR STANDARDS OF CARE ACT FOR OUR CHILD CARE SERVICES, AND THIS IS OUR ANNUAL DOCUMENT THAT. THANK YOU. THIS IS OUR ANNUAL DOCUMENT THAT ALLOWS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SERVE KIDS AND MAKE SURE WE GET THE EXEMPTIONS FROM LICENSING. WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS THE RED LINE OF THAT DOCUMENT THAT PRETTY MUCH LOOKS AT OUR STAFF, REVIEWS IT EVERY YEAR AND MAKES ANY ADJUSTMENTS. AND THIS YEAR, THE

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ADJUSTMENTS, YOU KNOW, LOOKS AT LOCATIONS AS WELL AS CAMPS WITH OUR TEENS, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT SOME PRACTICES AND PROCEDURES, AS WELL AS STAFF REQUIREMENTS. THAT WAY, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT, WE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT ADOPTION OF THAT ORDINANCE. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU. SO JUST JUST FOR MY OWN, WE'RE HAVING TO ADD IN THE EXTRA SCHOOLS, THE EXTRA FACILITIES, BECAUSE THE LAW REQUIRES US TO HAVE THAT LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY OR I MEAN, WHY, WHY, WHY ARE WE ADDING SOME OF THAT MICRO DETAIL THAT WE'LL JUST HAVE TO ADJUST IF WE HAVE A NEW PLAN NEXT YEAR KIND OF THING. DSI, DISD CHANGES SOME OF THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR US. AND SO WE'RE CHANGING THOSE, YOU KNOW, ANNUALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT LOCATIONS FOR OUR SUMMER CAMPS. OKAY. YEAH. NO, I WON'T BELABOR IT. IT'S FINE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU CARE TO SPEAK, YOU CAN COME DOWN AND SPEAK. FILL OUT A CARD AFTERWARDS. SEEING NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. THANK YOU. THE RED LINE WAS VERY EASY TO FOLLOW.

EVERYTHING WAS STRAIGHTFORWARD. I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THIS MOTION FOR ADOPTION. THANK YOU.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU

[D. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, approving a Specific Use Permit to allow for an Equipment Sales and Rental use on approximately 4.25 acres of land, generally located west of North Interstate-35, east of the terminus of Jim Christal Road, and approximately 1,000 feet north of West Oak Street in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official zoning map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing for severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [4-0] to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval was made by Commissioner Prado-Carrillo and seconded by Commissioner Dyer. (S24-0006a, National Equipment Dealers, Erin Stanley)]

VERY MUCH. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM D IN PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH IS. FIVE D, WHICH IS S240006A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON APPROVING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR AN EQUIPMENT SALES RENTAL USE ON APPROXIMATELY 4.25 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED WEST OF NORTH I-35, EAST OF THE TERMINUS OF JIM CRYSTAL ROAD, AND APPROXIMATELY 1000FT NORTH OF WEST OAK STREET IN THE CITY OF DENTON. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. HALEY ZAGURSKI, ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR. I'LL BE COVERING FOR AARON THIS EVENING. SO THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR AN EQUIPMENT SALES AND RENTAL USE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY YOU CAN SEE OUTLINED ON YOUR SCREEN IS APPROXIMATELY 4.25 ACRES. LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH I-35. FOR REFERENCE, THIS IS JUST ACROSS I-35 FROM SCRIPTURE, WHERE WE HAVE THE SCRIPTURE STREET WHERE THE HOSPITAL IS LOCATED. THE TERMINUS OF JIM CRYSTAL ROAD IS ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY. SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST, AS I MENTIONED, IS TO PERMIT A NATIONAL EQUIPMENT DEALER'S LOCATION AT THIS SITE. THEY WOULD BE OFFERING A VARIETY OF CONSTRUCTION AND FARM RELATED IMPLEMENTS ON SITE. CURRENTLY, IT IS ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. THE ZONING DISTRICT DOES REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THIS COMMERCIAL LAND USE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THE FUTURE LAND USE IS REGIONAL MIXED USE. SINCE THIS IS AN ISSUE, THERE WILL BE A SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN ATTACHED TO THE ORDINANCE. SO I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THOSE BRIEFLY. WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS LOCATED IN THE CENTER OF THE SCREEN, OUTLINED IN BLUE. 12,000FT■!S. THAT WOULD INCLUDE 5000FT■!S OF SALES AND RENTAL SPACE AND 7000FT■!S OF STORAGE FOR EQUIPMENT. THERE WILL BE A DISPLAY AREA THAT AND NORTH IS LOCATED TO THE LEFT ON THE SCREEN THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU.

SO TO THE NORTH OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE AN EQUIPMENT DISPLAY AREA. I WANTED TO CALL OUT THE AREA SHADED IN RED ON YOUR SCREEN. JIM CRYSTAL ROAD WAS FORMERLY LOCATED ACROSS THE PROPERTY THAT WAS ABANDONED BACK IN 2000. HOWEVER, A VARIETY OF UTILITIES REMAIN IN PLACE. SO THERE'S ABOUT 90FT IN WIDTH THAT BISECTS THIS PROPERTY. THAT CONTAINS ELECTRIC UTILITIES, WATER UTILITIES, AND A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT GREATLY LIMITS WHAT COULD BE PUT ON THE PROPERTY. SO THEY DO HAVE TO KEEP ALL VERTICAL STRUCTURES OUT OF THAT. SO THAT'S WHY THAT DISPLAY AREA AND PARKING IS LOCATED TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. TO MAKE BEST USE OF THIS ENCUMBERED SPACE. THE BUILDING WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 31FT IN HEIGHT. AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER SMALLER BUILDING ON THE VERY FAR NORTH SIDE THAT WOULD BE A WASH BAY FOR EQUIPMENT THAT THEY KEEP ON SITE. THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. I JUST WANT TO CALL OUT SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THERE, BECAUSE THIS IS A TXDOT ROADWAY, THEY DID HAVE TO SEEK SOME ADMINISTRATIVE ALTERNATIVES FROM SOME OF OUR STANDARDS, BECAUSE YOU CANNOT LOCATE STREET TREES AND OTHER PLANTINGS WITHIN TEXTS RIGHT OF WAY OR WITHIN THE ADJACENT UTILITY EASEMENTS. SO THEY ARE MEETING ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS, BUT THERE ARE SOME ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE DETAILED IN YOUR BACKUP. SO YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE, FOR THE MOST PART MET OUR STREET TREE REQUIREMENTS. ONE OF THOSE WAS RELOCATED TO THE SOUTH SIDE. SAME WITH PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING. THEY COULDN'T PUT TREES IN THE EASEMENT, SO THOSE WERE ALTERNATIVES THAT STAFF WAS ABLE TO APPROVE FOR THEM TO MOVE THOSE TREES TO THE PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND THEN THEY DO HAVE A BUFFER HERE PROVIDED ON

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THE NORTH THAT MEETS OUR CODE REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE THERE IS AN INDUSTRIAL USE TO THE NORTH WITH A SELF STORAGE FACILITY. THIS REQUEST WAS ANALYZED WITH RESPECT TO ALL OF OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. WON'T HIT THOSE ALL IN DETAIL. IN SUMMARY, IT DOES MEET THE GOALS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO PROVIDE FOR A KIND OF A REGIONAL DRAW TYPE USE THAT WOULD SUPPORT MANY OF THE INDUSTRIES IN THIS AREA, INCLUDING AGRICULTURE AND CONSTRUCTION, WITH THE PRODUCTS THEY WOULD OFFER IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSE STATEMENT OF THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT, AND IS NOT EXPECTED TO GENERATE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR INFRASTRUCTURE. AS THERE ARE UTILITIES AVAILABLE TO SERVE THE SITE, OUTREACH WAS CONDUCTED. WE RECEIVED ONE RESPONSE IN FAVOR, WHICH IS THE WHAT YOU SHOWN IN GREEN ON YOUR MAP. I BELIEVE THEY DID HOLD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. NO ONE ATTENDED THAT MEETING, BUT THEY DID HAVE THAT AVAILABLE TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH A HANDFUL OF CONDITIONS THAT WERE OUTLINED IN YOUR BACKUP. THOSE PRIMARILY RELATE TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN, ALLOWING SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THINGS SUCH AS TXDOT NEEDING THEM TO SHIFT THEIR DRIVEWAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. ONCE THEY GET TO THAT PHASE OF SEEKING TXDOT APPROVAL FOR THAT CONNECTION. HAPPY TO GO INTO THOSE IN DETAIL IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT THEY'RE FAIRLY STANDARD SET OF CONDITIONS THAT WE WOULD ATTACH TO A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL 4 TO 0. AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN WE DO HAVE A QUESTION, REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I HAD NOT SEEN THE RESPONSES. I SAW THE NOTIFICATION IN THE PACKET, BUT I WAS QUESTIONING WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE WE HAD. AND SO THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PAGES OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS WITH THESE DIFFERENT EXCEPTIONS. IS THE APPLICANT AGREEABLE TO THE PRESENTED RECOMMENDATIONS? YES, I BELIEVE THEY'VE BEEN THEY'VE BEEN BRIEFED ON THOSE CONDITIONS AND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN FOR THEM IN PRACTICE. AND THEY WERE AMENABLE TO THOSE. ALL RIGHT. IT DOES SEEM LIKE A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY IN ORDER TO FIND THE RIGHT FIT. SO THIS THIS LOOKS LIKE A GREAT FIT AND JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. YOU'RE ALWAYS JUST RIGHT ON THE NOSE AND VERY SUCCINCT AND VERY EASY TO FOLLOW. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. IF YOU KNOW, IN THE GENESIS OF THIS, DID THE APPLICANT COME TO YOU ALL LOOKING FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND YOU SUGGESTED TO THEM THIS, OR DID THEY HAVE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY ALREADY IN MIND? IT'S TOUGH. PIECE OF PROPERTY. SURE. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY APPROACHED STAFF WITH THE REQUEST TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS PROPERTY THROUGH OUR PRE-APPLICATION PROCESS. I'M NOT AWARE IF THERE WAS ANY CONTACT WITH ANY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING BEFOREHAND THOUGH. SO GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. TALK ME THROUGH THE ACTUAL LOOK OF THE EASEMENT. ARE WE THINKING, IS THERE GOING TO BE LIKE A LITTLE DRIVE BRIDGE OVER THE EASEMENT, OR IS IT JUST IS IT ALL COMPLETELY UNDERGROUND AND YOU CAN DRIVE OVER? JUST CAN'T HAVE A STRUCTURE ON IT. LIKE WHAT'S IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? SURE. SO IF YOU LOOK I ASSUME THE LATTER. BUT YEAH, IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR PLAN HERE, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE SURFACE LEVEL IMPROVEMENTS. THEY CAN HAVE PAVING THERE AND SHRUBS AND THINGS THAT CAN BE EASILY REMOVED SHOULD SOMEONE NEED TO, TO ACCESS THE UTILITIES THAT ARE UNDERGROUND THERE, THERE ARE OVERHEAD ELECTRIC. SO THAT LIMITS SOME OF THE VERTICAL. YOU KNOW THAT REASON FOR NO TREES WITHIN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FEET, THE BUILDING HAVING TO BE SET BACK A CERTAIN DISTANCE. BUT THERE WILL BE IMPROVEMENTS THERE IN TERMS OF SHRUBBERY AND PARKING. SO JUST LANDSCAPE AND PARKING THEN. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. SEEING NONE IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU CARE TO SPEAK AND COME ON DOWN FILL OUT A CARD AFTERWARDS. THANK YOU JOE. SEEING NONE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. I MOVE APPROVAL AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE. DISTRICT FIVE, I BELIEVE. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND DISCUSSION. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE MOTION IS THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF, NOT NOT JUST THE RAW APPROVAL. IS THAT CORRECT, COUNCILOR JESTER OR THE MOTION? YES, AS PRESENTED WITH THE EXCEPTIONS THAT WERE LISTED IN THE PACKET FROM STAFF. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S ALL, MR. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS PROJECT. IT FILLS A GAP. RIGHT. AND DIFFICULT SITUATION AS FAR AS NAVIGATING THAT. SO HAPPY TO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES HERE. AND MAYBE I CAN GET BY THERE AND RENT A BATTERY OPERATED LEAF BLOWER OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CONSIDERED HEAVY EQUIPMENT TO EVERYONE, BUT TO ME IT IS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE IN MY GARAGE IS A HAMMER AND A LEAF BLOWER. SO WITH THAT, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with Mountain Cascade of Texas, LLC, for the construction and movement of public water/wastewater utilities in support of TxDOT’s IH-35 and FM 1173 widening from US 288 to Ganzer Road for the Capital Projects Department; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFQ 7968-005 - awarded to Mountain Cascade of Texas, LLC, in the not-to-exceed amount of $16,029,149.85). The Public Utilities Board will consider this item on Monday, April 14, 2025. The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (7 - 0).]

ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT TAKES US. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, TAKES US TO OUR INDIVIDUAL ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. FIRST SIX A ID 25638. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF

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ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, A TEXAS HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH MOUNTAIN CASCADE OF TEXAS, LLC FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND MOVEMENT OF PUBLIC WATER WASTEWATER UTILITIES IN SUPPORT OF TEXAS DOTS, I-35, AND FM 1173 WIDENING. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SHAWN MESSICK, PROJECT MANAGER WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS.

SO TONIGHT I HAVE A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR I-35, MILLER CREEK SANITARY SEWER AND LIFT STATION.

SO THE PROJECT OVERVIEW IS A WASTEWATER RELOCATION AND ABANDONMENT, NEW LIFT STATION AND ABANDONMENT OF OLD LIFT STATIONS. THIS IS IN SUPPORT OF THE TEX DOT I-35 WIDENING. PART OF IT IS TEX DOT REIMBURSABLE. AND AGAIN THIS IS FROM THE LOOP 288 UP TO GANSER ROAD. SO THIS IS AN IFB. SO THE LOW BID WINS. WE HAD TWO OUT OF THREE ON A PRE-QUALIFIED LIST TO ACTUALLY PROPOSE AMOUNTS. THAT CASCADE HAS 15.2 MILLION. SO THEY'RE THE LOW BID ON THIS PROJECT SCHEDULE. SO THIS DESIGN WAS COMPLETED IN DECEMBER OF 2024, WENT TO UTILITY PCB YESTERDAY COUNCIL TODAY NCP IS EXPECTED SECOND QUARTER OF 2025 AND CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION IN QUARTER OF 2026. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE APPROVAL OF MOUNT CASCADE ON THIS CONTRACT IN AMOUNT OF 15,000,000.2, WITH A CONTINGENCY OF 763,000, FOR A TOTAL OF 16 MILLION AND SOME CHANGE. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SEEING NONE. CAN YOU CAN YOU REMIND ME WHY WE FACILITATE THESE AGREEMENTS FOR TEX DOT VERSUS TEX DOT DOING IT DIRECTLY? I'M SURE I'VE HEARD IT BEFORE. I JUST DON'T RECALL. DO YOU KNOW I DO NOT HAVE THAT ANSWER. I KNOW BEFORE WE DID THE AFAS AND NOW WE HAVE THE. YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. I'M JUST CURIOUS. I JUST WANT TO. YES, SIR. REFRESHER. NO PROBLEM, SAID GARCIA, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO IF YOU'LL REMEMBER ON US 77 FORT WORTH DRIVE, WE HAD TEX DOT INCORPORATE SOME OF THESE. THEY ENDED UP HIRING A ROADWAY CONTRACTOR THAT DID NOT DO A GREAT JOB REPLACING THE CITY'S UTILITIES. AND SO WE TOOK THAT ON OUR OWN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE GETTING THE QUALITY THAT WE NEEDED, AND NOT UTILIZING A TEX DOT ROADWAY CONTRACTOR. SO WE TOOK THOSE UTILITY RELOCATIONS OFFLINE AND PERFORMED THEM OURSELVES. AND THEN WE GET REIMBURSED. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE? THANKS, MAYOR. I UNDERSTAND PRIMARILY THIS HAPPENS IN ROADWAY PROJECTS WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROJECT. IS THERE ANY TYPE OF INCENTIVE OFFERED FOR EARLY COMPLETION AND THIS ONE? NO, WE DO NOT HAVE ONE. MISS CITY MANAGER. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'LL SEE IN CONTRACTS THAT COME UP JUST SO I DON'T HAVE TO ASK. SO I KNOW WHICH IS WHICH. I'VE NOT SEEN IT BEFORE. I KNOW THAT YOU ALL DO IT SOMETIMES, BUT WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FOR US? SO SETH GARCIA AGAIN. YES. SO WE DO HAVE LANGUAGE THAT WE SOMETIMES UTILIZE WITHIN OUR CONTRACTS. AGAIN, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR DESIGN ENGINEERS TO TRY AND GIVE AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME. SO AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE THE CONTRACTOR TO GO FASTER TO CUT QUALITY OR OTHER ITEMS. WE WANT TO GIVE THEM AMPLE TIME. SO WE OFTEN HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR CONTRACTORS TO LOOK TO ACCELERATE SCHEDULES, IF YOU WILL, WITHOUT NECESSARILY OFFERING AN INCENTIVE. BUT WE DO HAVE CLAUSES BUILT WITHIN OUR CONTRACT TEMPLATES TO IF THE CITY HAS OR SO CHOOSES TO INSTITUTE A MILESTONE AND OFFER THAT INCENTIVE, WE CAN. OKAY, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. HOW WILL THEY KNOW? SO YOU'RE SAYING IT CAN BE DONE AFTER THE CONTRACT IS SIGNED? NO, SIR. SO IT'S A PART OF THE BID DOCUMENTATION. AND SO IT WOULD BE A PART OF THE SOLICITATION THAT GOES OUT, WHATEVER THE INCENTIVE WERE PER DAY. AND GENERALLY THEY'RE CAPPED AT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DAYS. SO THEY KNOW THAT WHEN THEY BID. CORRECT. GOT IT. THANK YOU SETH. THANKS, MAYOR. YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR, A CAPITAL PROJECT FOR A GROWING COMMUNITY. I'M. MOVE IT. MOVE! THIS PROJECT APPROVED REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, SHAWNA WILL COME DOWN. 70. SO WE HAVE A. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE AN ELEPHANT FOR YOU TO REMEMBER YOUR FIRST PRESENTATION TO US. HOW LONG YOU BEEN WITH THE CITY? A LITTLE OVER A YEAR.

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OUTSTANDING. ENJOYING IT. IT'S GOOD. THAT'S GOOD. OUTSTANDING. THANK YOU. HAPPY TO HAVE YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. HERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU AGAIN. APPRECIATE IT. YES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE MOTION. NO OTHER DISCUSSION. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES 7 TO 0 TAKES US TO ITEM SIX B I'D 25646. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN

[B. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with Kirby-Smith Machinery, Inc., through the Buy Board Cooperative Purchasing Network Contract Nos. 685-22, 687-22, and 740-24, for the purchase, repairs, and rental of construction equipment for the Fleet Services Department; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (File 8786 - awarded to Kirby-Smith Machinery, Inc., for one (1) year, with the option for four (4) additional one (1) year extensions, in the total five (5) year not-to-exceed amount of $7,749,000.00). The Public Utilities Board will consider this item on Monday, April 14, 2025.]