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          GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. TODAY IS JULY 15TH. IT IS 2:01 P.M, SO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. THE FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA, CITIZENS COMMENTS ON THE 
          [2. Requests for clarification of agenda items listed on this agenda for public hearing and individual consideration.]
CONSENT AGENDA. SEEING NONE, THAT TAKES US TO OUR NEXT ITEM. REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION OF THE AGENDA LISTED IN THE AGENDA ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING OR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. ANY REQUESTS FOR CLARIFICATION ON AGENDA ITEMS? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. 
          >> MR. MAYOR, ITEM W AS IN WILLIAM, PLEASE. I'D LIKE I'D LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT. 
          OKAY. >> CHRISTINE TAYLOR, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER I CAN HOPEFULLY 
          ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WELL. >> HELP ME WITH. WITH WHAT? WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING. WHAT THE CITY 
          IS GOING TO PAY FOR THIS? >> THERE'S A THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. IT IS PREDOMINANTLY. WELL, IT IS PAID FOR BY DEVELOPMENT FEES FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WENT IN, YOU PAY A PARK DEVELOPMENT FEE. SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK WILL BE FUNDED BY DEVELOPMENT FEES. THE CITY'S RECEIVED A GRANT, AND THERE WILL BE A TRAIL THROUGH A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. SO THE BOND A PORTION OF IT WILL COME FROM THE 2023 BOND FUNDING. SO THERE ARE NO GENERAL FUNDS BEING UTILIZED TOWARDS THIS PROJECT. IT IS PREDOMINANTLY THE GRANT AND DEVELOPMENT FEES THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PAID BY THE DEVELOPER AT THE TIME THAT THE HOMES WENT IN. 
          >> SO NO TAXPAYER MONEY GOING INTO THIS. >> CORRECT. I MEAN, THERE'S A WOULD BE A DEBT PAYMENT ON THE SMALL PORTION OF THE TRAIL PORTION OF IT THAT WAS VOTER APPROVED, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE FUNDING IS ALL COMING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT FEES COLLECTED 
          WHEN THE HOMES WENT IN. >> I SEE. OKAY. VERY GOOD. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY. ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT. IN ITEM Z ON THIS IS ON THIS IS NOT THIS IS ON JUST GENERAL COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT AND JUST HOW APPRECIATIVE I AM OF. STAFF WORKING WITH DENTON. FREEDOM HOUSE BASICALLY IS WHO IT IS, BUT FROM A CONTRACTOR STANDPOINT. SO IT'S JUST GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY, I BELIEVE, TO HAVE THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING BACK ON THEIR FEET, AND THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND GETTING BACK TO WORK AND SERVING THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY, AND BY WAY OF THIS CONTRACT AND HELPING US CLEAN UP AREAS AND AS NEEDED. AND SO I JUST THINK THAT'S GREAT FOR FREEDOM COMMERCIAL SERVICES TO BE AWARDED TO THAT. SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE GREAT WORK THAT THE COMMUNITY IS DOING AND STAFF IS DOING TO MAKE SURE WE BRING IN GREAT PEOPLE FOR THAT. AND THEN I ALSO WILL NOTE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION, THAT ITEM H HAS BEEN PULLED FOR A SEPARATE VOTE. AND SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE THAT IS EVERYTHING I DO BELIEVE. YES. 
          [A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the Fiscal Year 2025-26 preliminary utility budgets and rates for Solid Waste, Water, Wastewater, Drainage, Electric and Customer Service.
    [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 60 minutes]]
          YES. OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION. >> WE'LL GET THERE. 
          >> AND THAT IS THREE A ID 242618 RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE FISCAL YEAR 20 2526. PRELIMINARY UTILITY BUDGETS, RATE AND RATES FOR SOLID WASTE 
          WATER, WASTEWATER DRAINAGE, ELECTRIC AND CUSTOMER SERVICE. >> THERE IT GOES. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. JESSICA WILLIAMS CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER I'M HERE TODAY AS PART OF OUR PROCESS THROUGH THE SUMMER FOR THE BUDGET TO PRESENT THE PRELIMINARY UTILITY DEPARTMENT BUDGETS. SO TODAY, WE'LL BE TALKING THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY BUDGETS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526 FOR SOLID WASTE, ELECTRIC CUSTOMER SERVICE, WATER, WASTEWATER AND DRAINAGE. AND THEN WE WILL GO OVER THE NEXT STEPS AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE THROUGH THE SUMMER. WE'LL START THIS AFTERNOON WITH SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING. THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT HAS 130 FTE. THIS IS NOT CHANGED FROM THE PRIOR YEAR. FOR THE CURRENT YEAR, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE SOLID WASTE FUND WILL END THE YEAR WITH A POSITIVE NET INCOME OF $184,321. 
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FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526, THE BUDGET WILL CHANGE FROM THE CURRENT YEAR TO NEXT YEAR BY 4.2%. THERE IS NO REQUESTED BASE RATE INCREASE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526. AND AS PART OF OUR LINE ITEM BUDGETING THIS YEAR, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT THIS SUMMER, THE DEPARTMENT HAS IDENTIFIED AREAS WHERE THEY CAN SAVE. IN TOTAL, THEIR PRELIMINARY BUDGET REDUCTIONS ARE $980,000. 212 OF THAT IS FROM PERSONNEL, 209 FROM MATERIALS AND SERVICES, 397 OPERATIONS, AND 144 FOR FIXED ASSETS. THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT'S PROJECTIONS FOR GROWTH 3% GROWTH IN RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS MOVING FORWARD, 1.7% GROWTH IN COMMERCIAL FRONT, FRONT LOAD AND SIDE LOAD POOLS, AND 3% GROWTH IN LANDFILL CUSTOMERS. REVIEWING THE FIVE YEAR PRELIMINARY FORECAST FOR THE SOLID WASTE FUND. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO HERE IS THAT IN THE NEXT YEAR. SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526, THE DEPARTMENT PLANS TO INCREASE ITS REVENUE, FUNDING FOR VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS AND ADDITIONS GOING FORWARD IN 26 AND MOVING OUT FROM THERE. THE DEPARTMENT PLANS TO FUND 100% OF THEIR VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS AND ADDITIONS FROM REVENUE FUNDING. AGAIN, THERE IS NO REQUEST FOR AN INCREASE IN RATES THIS YEAR. THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN FOR THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT IN THE CURRENT YEAR IS REQUESTED. THEY ARE REQUESTING $21.7 MILLION. 14 MILLION OF THAT WILL GO TO THEIR ORGANICS PROGRAM INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THEY WILL FUND 18.2 MILLION OF THAT AMOUNT WITH 3.4 MILLION IN REVENUE FUNDING. AND AGAIN, HERE, YOU CAN SEE AS WE GO INTO THE OUT YEARS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT HOW THEY CAN GO AHEAD TO GET TO 100% OF THEIR VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS AND ADDITIONS AS REVENUE FUNDING. OKAY. WE WILL MOVE NOW INTO DME. GOING INTO FISCAL YEAR 2526, DME HAS 189 FTES SPREAD ACROSS SIX DIVISIONS. THIS IS NOT CHANGED FROM THE PRIOR YEAR. IN THE CURRENT YEAR, WE ANTICIPATE THAT DME WILL END THE YEAR WITH A NET LOSS OF APPROXIMATELY $1.7 MILLION THAT IS PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY PURCHASE POWER. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE USE OF REVENUE LINE HERE, JUST ABOVE WHERE IT SAYS TOTAL RESOURCES, THE DME HAS DECREASED THEIR USE OF RESERVES OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO. SO WHILE WE STILL ANTICIPATE A LITTLE BIT OF A LOSS, WE ARE SEEING SOME REALLY POSITIVE CHANGE COMING OUT OF DME. GOING INTO NEXT YEAR, DME BUDGET WILL INCREASE BY 34.2%. THEY ARE NOT REQUESTING A BASE RATE INCREASE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526. THE ECA AND THE CRF WILL STILL BE ADJUSTED AS NEEDED. AS YOU ALL RECALL, WE PUT THAT INTO PLACE LAST YEAR. MAYBE IT WAS A YEAR BEFORE LAST. SO WE LOOK AT THOSE QUARTERLY AND ANNUALLY THIS YEAR THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED AN SCA LARGE LOAD, WHICH WE ANTICIPATE WILL ASSIST THEM TO GET TO A $20 MILLION TARGET BALANCE THAT WILL STRENGTHEN THEIR FINANCIALS. IN TOTAL, REVENUE PROJECTIONS ARE 526 MILLION, WITH EXPENSE PROJECTIONS AT 509 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526. AS PART OF OUR ZERO BASED BUDGETING, DME WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY $3.3 MILLION THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SAVE GOING INTO NEXT YEAR. THE BIGGEST DRIVER HERE IS GOING TO BE CHANGES TO THE WINTER AND SUMMER OUTAGE INSURANCE AT ABOUT $2.3 MILLION. THE REASON THAT WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE IS BECAUSE DME IS ABLE TO MAINTAIN THEIR CONTINGENCY FUNDING TO A LEVEL THAT WE THINK WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR ONE OF THOSE EVENTS TO OCCUR IN THE NEXT YEAR. THEY'VE ALSO REDUCED THEIR REQUEST FOR DEBT FOR THEIR CAMPUS EXPANSION BY $990,000, AND ARE LOOKING TO SHIFT THAT TO A REVENUE FUNDING SOURCE, AND THEY HAVE CHANGED THEIR FOCUSED ADVOCACY CONTRACT FOR 72,000. THEY DO HAVE SIX VACANCIES, AND THEY ANTICIPATE TO HOLD THESE THROUGH THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 2526. SO WE'VE TALKED THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER ABOUT THE MANAGED VACANCY PROGRAM THAT WE PUT INTO PLACE THIS YEAR TO ASSIST WITH THE DEFICIT THAT WE SAW IN THE GENERAL FUND. WE HAVE PUT THAT INTO PLACE AND WILL KEEP IT IN PLACE. IT WILL APPLY TO THE UTILITIES AS WELL. SO PART OF THIS MORE HOLISTIC PROCESS IS WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT ARE WE REALLY SPENDING AND WHAT DO WE REALLY NEED. DM'S GROWTH 
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PROJECTIONS. THEY ARE ANTICIPATING THAT THEIR FORECASTED RETAIL SALES WILL GROW 8.1% GOING INTO FISCAL YEAR 2526. AND THE GRAPHIC HERE JUST SHOWS THAT SPLIT BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL SERVICE AND GENERAL SERVICE. THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION, I'LL TALK ABOUT GROWTH PROJECTIONS. EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS, EACH OF THE FUNDS BASED ON THE TYPE OF ACTIVITY THAT THEY DO, DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT METRICS THAT THEY PUT INTO THEIR GROWTH PROJECTIONS. SO ALL OF THE DIRECTORS FOR THE UTILITY DEPARTMENTS ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THOSE. BUT THIS IS WHERE DME IS AT GOING INTO NEXT YEAR. SO LOOKING AT THE FIVE YEAR PROFORMA FOR DME, ONE OF THE THINGS TO KIND OF BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO HERE IS WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, WHERE WE'VE SEEN SOME NET LOSS IN PRIOR YEARS. WE NOW SEE THIS CHANGE IN FUND BALANCE. THE USE OF RESERVES IS CHANGING TO A POSITIVE NUMBER. SO THE FUND IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WHERE WE WILL BE ABLE TO START TO GROW, FUND BALANCE BACK AGAIN. AND THAT WILL GET US TO THEIR FUND BALANCE TARGETS BY 20 2930. ANOTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND HERE IS THAT WHEN WE PUT THIS PROFORMA TOGETHER, WE HAVE DEMAND ASSUMPTIONS. FROM MARCH, DME WILL RERUN THOSE DEMAND ASSUMPTIONS AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. AND SO WHEN WE COME BACK AND TALK TO YOU DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, IS PROFORMA MAY CHANGE BASED ON HOW THOSE DEMAND PROJECTIONS MAY CHANGE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, GOING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, WE WILL ANTICIPATE BASE RATE INCREASES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT GOING INTO NEXT YEAR IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT SOLID WASTE IS DOING, IS HOW DO WE REVENUE FUND MORE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TRADITIONALLY DEBT FUNDED. SO YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES, PARTICULARLY IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS. EXCUSE ME. NOT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN FOR ELECTRIC. IN THE CURRENT YEAR, THEY'RE REQUESTING 63.9 MILLION. OF THAT, 58.4 WILL BE DEBT FUNDED, 1.4 MILLION WILL BE REVENUE FUNDED, AND APPROXIMATELY 4 MILLION WILL BE COST PARTICIPATION FROM DEVELOPERS. 
          AND AGAIN, AS WE MOVE THROUGH NEXT YEAR AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT OUR STRATEGY WILL BE TO DECREASE DEBT ISSUANCE YEAR OVER YEAR AND TO INCREASE REVENUE FUNDING. YOU WILL SEE CHANGES TO THESE SCHEDULES AS WELL. CUSTOMER SERVICE. SO AS A REMINDER, CUSTOMER SERVICE DOES FALL UNDER DME. THEY HAVE 65.5 TOTAL FTE. THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHERE THEY WERE LAST YEAR. 
          AND CUSTOMER SERVICE INCLUDES OUR 311 OPERATIONS. THE CUSTOMER SERVICE BUDGET. IN THE CURRENT YEAR, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WILL COME IN BALANCED WITH THEIR RESOURCES TO THEIR EXPENDITURES. 
          THEY HAVE HAD SOME SAVINGS, ESPECIALLY IN FISCAL YEAR 2024, WHERE THEY HAD SAVINGS IN PERSONNEL DUE TO VACANCIES AND TURNOVER, AND ANY TIME THAT SAVINGS OCCUR IN THE CUSTOMER SERVICE FUND, THOSE SAVINGS ALSO RIPPLE TO THE OTHER UTILITY FUNDS AS THE TRANSFERS INTO THAT FUND ARE REDUCED AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SO WE'RE GOING TO SHIFT FOCUS A LITTLE BIT. NOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT CUSTOMER SERVICE IS PROPOSING IN THEIR BUDGET REDUCTIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL ABOUT. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY IS NOT SPECIFIC FEEDBACK. WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS MORE GENERALIZED FEEDBACK AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO. SO WHAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT IS A CONVENIENCE FEE. CURRENTLY, EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH CARD PROCESSING ARE PAID FOR BY THE CITY. THAT COSTS THE CITY APPROXIMATELY $1.3 MILLION A YEAR. WE DO NOT CURRENTLY RECOVER THIS COST THROUGH ANY TYPE OF DEDICATED FEE. IN PREVIOUS YEARS, THE CITY DID RECOVER THIS COST IN DECEMBER OF 2014, A 2.7% CONVENIENCE FEE WAS ASSESSED FOR THE USE OF CREDIT CARD OR CHECK PROCESSING. IN NOVEMBER OF 2020, THERE WERE SOME CHANGES TO THE BANKING REGULATIONS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT FEE COULD BE APPLIED, AND SO THE DECISION WAS MADE IN NOVEMBER OF 2020 TO STOP CHARGING THE FEE, WHICH MEANS THAT THE FEE IS NOW INCURRED BY THE CITY. SO RATEPAYERS WITHIN ALL OF THE UTILITIES ARE COVERING THAT COST IN THEIR RATES. WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, AND WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED IS TO IMPLEMENT A CONVENIENCE FEE. IT WOULD APPLY TO INTERNET, PHONE AND KIOSK PAYMENTS. IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO ANY RECURRING PAYMENTS 
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OR POINT OF SALE TRANSACTIONS. IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT THIS, THE FEE MUST BE DISCLOSED AS A CHARGE FOR CONVENIENCE AND THE CUSTOMER MUST HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CANCEL. SO IF A CUSTOMER CAME TO MAKE A PAYMENT OR EXCUSE ME, WENT ONLINE TO MAKE A PAYMENT WITH A CREDIT CARD AND THEY SEE THAT THE FEE IS $2.90, THEY WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CANCEL THAT PAYMENT AND PAY IN ANOTHER FORM THAT DOES NOT COST OR DOES NOT INCUR THE CONVENIENCE FEE TO RECOVER THE FULL COST, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE FEE WOULD NEED TO BE $2.90 PER TRANSACTION. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH, RIGHT? YOU GO ONLINE TO ORDER SOMETHING AND YOU GET TO THE VERY FINAL SCREEN, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT SAYS TRANSACTION FEE THREE BUCKS, OR YOU'RE AT A RESTAURANT AND YOU RECEIVE YOUR BILL. AND NOW NOT ONLY DOES IT INCLUDE 18% GRATUITY, IT ALSO INCLUDES A TRANSACTION FEE. SO WHETHER WE IN OUR DAILY LIVES SEE THESE FEES OR NOT, THESE FEES ARE CHARGED BY THE CREDIT CARD PROCESSING COMPANIES. SO THESE ARE NOT FEES THAT THE CITY CHOOSES TO CHARGE. THEY ARE FEES THAT ARE PART OF THE SYSTEM FOR THE USE OF THESE TRANSACTIONS. SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE ON YOUR RIGHT, WE HAVE BROKEN OUT FOR YOU AN ESTIMATED FEE RECOVERY. AND THIS IS BASED ON OUR 2024 INTERNET ACTUALS. SO IF THE FEE WERE $1, APPROXIMATELY 407,000 TRANSACTIONS WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO IT. OF THOSE TRANSACTIONS, WE WOULD ALSO THEN LOOK AT THE E CHECKS. SO THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 53,000. SO A TOTAL OF FOUR 6380. IF WE WERE TO CHARGE JUST $1, THE CONVENIENCE FEE ASSESSED WOULD BE $460,000. AND WITH THE REMAINING EXPENSE TO THE CITY AT $880,000, THE $2.90 FLAT FEE, AGAIN ON THAT SAME CHART. SO IT'S GOING TO RUN THROUGH EXACTLY THE SAME WAY WE HAVE OUR TOTAL TRANSACTIONS. AND THEN WHAT IS ELIGIBLE THE E CHECK AND WHAT IS ELIGIBLE. SO WE GET TO THE BOTTOM LINE. WE'RE STILL AT THE FOUR 6380, BUT AT $2.90 PER TRANSACTION, WE RECOVER ABOUT $1.3 MILLION, WHICH MEANS THAT WE WOULD WE THE CITY WOULD ONLY POTENTIALLY BE CHARGED $6,174. SO WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WILL BE SEEKING GENERAL DIRECTION ON WILL BE ON IMPLEMENTING A CONVENIENCE FEE. AND WHY? I MEAN, WE REALLY ARE LOOKING FOR GENERALIZED DIRECTION BECAUSE WE CAN TAKE YOUR COMMENTS, WE CAN TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. WE CAN COME BACK WITH ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS. THIS IS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY THAT WE'VE HAD TO TALK ABOUT THIS. AND SO WE'RE REALLY JUST SEEKING YOUR FEEDBACK AS TO WHETHER CONCEPTUALLY YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. OKAY. BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMING, THE CUSTOMER SERVICE FIVE YEAR PRELIMINARY FORECAST AS SHOWN HERE, DOES INCLUDE IMPLEMENTING THE CONVENIENCE FEE. SO IN THE LIGHT BLUE COLUMN. SO THE 2526 PROPOSED THAT VERY FIRST LINE UNDER BEGINNING FUND BALANCE SHOWS THE CONVENIENCE FEES AS A REVENUE OF 1.3 MILLION. WHAT IS INTERESTING HERE IS THAT YOU WILL SEE HOW MUCH COST IT DECREASES TO THE OTHER UTILITIES. SO UNDER OTHER REVENUE, WHERE WE HAVE THE FIRST COST OF SERVICE, IF YOU LOOK TO THE COLUMN THAT SAYS 2425 MODIFIED BUDGET, THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED THE YEAR. SO FOR EXAMPLE, COST OF SERVICE ELECTRIC IS $5.1 MILLION. SO THAT'S WHAT WE ANTICIPATED THAT THAT WOULD NEED TO TRANSFER INTO CUSTOMER SERVICE IN PART TO COVER THE COST OF THE CONVENIENCE FEE. THAT AMOUNT WOULD REDUCE GOING INTO THE PROPOSED BUDGET TO ABOUT 4.8. SO WE WILL SEE REDUCTIONS IN THE COST TO THE OTHER UTILITIES. NOW THEY MAY NOT BE. SIGNIFICANT ON THEIR OWN OR ON THEIR FACE, BUT I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND HERE IS THAT THESE FEES CONTINUE TO INCREASE YEAR AFTER YEAR. SO WHERE WE ARE NOW, WE COULD BE ANOTHER $500,000 TWO YEARS FROM NOW IN COST. WE HAVE A LOT OF SLIDES TODAY, SO I'M TRYING TO ENROLL US ALONG FOR OUR. WATER, WASTEWATER AND 
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DRAINAGE. IT WAS PERFECT. YES. THANK YOU. SO THE WATER, WASTEWATER AND DRAINAGE UTILITIES TOTAL 247 FTE. THEY HAVE FIVE DIVISIONS. AND AS IT IS ILLUSTRATED HERE AND IS A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE, STREET OPERATIONS IS BUDGETED IN THE STREET IMPROVEMENT FUND. SO WHILE THEY ARE PART OF THE OVERALL WATER, WASTEWATER AND DRAINAGE UTILITY, THEY DO HAVE A SEPARATE FUND. FOR THE CURRENT YEAR. WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE WATER FUND ALONE WILL END THE YEAR WITH A POSITIVE NET CHANGE OF $656,000. WE DO HAVE TWO MONTHS LEFT OF SUMMER, AND THE UTILITIES ARE, AS WE ALL KNOW, VERY ACTIVE DURING THE SUMMERTIME. SO WE MAY, WHEN WE COME BACK IN AUGUST, HAVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BOTTOM LINE THERE. BUT RIGHT NOW, AS THINGS STAND, IF EVERYTHING STAYS THE WAY THAT IT IT HAS BEEN AND THE WAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN ANTICIPATING, YOU KNOW, THE WEATHER THROUGH THE END OF THE SUMMER, THIS IS WHERE THE WATER FUND WILL END. AGAIN, THE WATER FUND ALONE, THE BUDGET CHANGE FROM THIS YEAR TO NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE 6.3%. WATER IS REQUESTING AND RECOMMENDING A 3% RATE INCREASE TO BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL RATES, AND A 297% RATE RATE INCREASE FOR WHOLESALE TREATED WATER. AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE A HUGE NUMBER. HOWEVER, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THIS ONE TO ADD FOR YOU. SO FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN CHARGING $0.61 PER 1000 GALLONS FOR WHOLESALE TREATED WATER. LAST YEAR WE TALKED ABOUT LOOKING AT THIS AND WE DID INCREASE THE FEE. SO WE WENT UP TO ABOUT A BUCK 25 PER 1000 GALLONS. OVER THIS PAST YEAR, WE COMPLETED A WHOLESALE WHOLESALE RATE STUDY. WE BROUGHT IN RAFTELIS TO ASSIST US WITH THAT. 
          AND SO LOOKING AT CAPTURING OUR TOTAL COST, WE WOULD BE AT $4.96 PER 1000 GALLONS. SO IT SEEMS LIKE A HUGE INCREASE. IT IT COMES DOWN TO $3.71. IT ALSO PUTS US AT A PLACE WHERE WE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE, WHERE WE ARE ACTUALLY RECOUPING THE COST OF TREATING THE WATER. RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE SELL WHOLESALE WATER, THAT WATER IS THEN SOLD BY SOMEONE ELSE TO SOMEONE ELSE. SO WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT WHEN WE ARE TAKING ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF TREATING THAT WATER, THAT WE ARE RECOUPING THE COST OF TREATING THE WATER. REVENUE PROJECTIONS FOR THE WATER FUND 59.1 MILLION GOING INTO FISCAL YEAR 2526. EXPENSE PROJECTIONS AT 62.7. THERE ARE TWO VACANCIES IN THE WATER FUND THAT THEY ANTICIPATE WILL BE HELD THROUGH THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 2526. 
          THEY ARE REVIEWING AND FILLING FRONTLINE POSITIONS AS THOSE BECOME VACANT, AND AS THOSE DECISIONS ARE MADE DUE TO THE CRITICALITY OF THOSE FRONTLINE POSITIONS DURING THIS PAST YEAR, AND IN PREPARATION FOR THIS BUDGET CYCLE, WE DID COMPLETE A RETAIL RATE STUDY, THE WHOLESALE RATE STUDY THAT I MENTIONED. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON OTHER FINANCING SOURCES WITH YOU. IN PARTICULAR, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AT LENGTH, OUR APPLICATION IS IN WITH THE EPA, WHICH WILL ALLOW US SOME FLEXIBILITY AS FAR AS GROWTH OR ANY CONSTRICTION WITHIN OUR LOCAL ECONOMY AND OUR TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD FUNDING. THAT'S THE 195 MILLION FOR THE RAY ROBERTS TREATMENT PLANT. WE HAVE WORKED THIS YEAR TO ALIGN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR WATER WITH OUR INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO, TAKING A REALLY CLOSE LOOK AT WHERE CASH IS NEEDED AND WHEN TO ALIGN MATURITIES WITH WITH CONTRACTOR PAYMENTS. AND WE'VE HAD A FOCUS ON BALANCING AFFORDABILITY WITH ANY CONSTRICTION OR FUTURE GROWTH OF THE CITY. FOR THE FIVE YEAR PRELIMINARY FORECAST FORECAST FOR THE WATER FUND. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU IN PARTICULAR, AND YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY NOTICED IT. THE ENDING FUND BALANCE IS ABOVE POLICY. 
          THAT IS INTENTIONAL, AND THAT IS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT TREMENDOUS OUTLAYS FOR THE WATER FUND AS WE BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE. SO AS HUNTER COLE RANCH COME ONLINE, AS THOSE HOMES ARE BUILT, AS WE NEED TO PUT PIPE INTO THE GROUND, WE ARE SHORING UP THOSE RESERVES. 
          ADDITIONALLY, RIGHT NOW THE FUND HAS A DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE RATIO OF ABOUT 1.13%. CITYWIDE, 
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OUR POLICY IS 1.25%. AN INTERESTING FACT ABOUT THIS IS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE UTILITIES FOR FINANCIAL REPORTING PURPOSES, THE UTILITIES COME TOGETHER AND BECOME ONE UTILITY. SO THAT ALLOWS MORE FLEXIBILITY THERE, BECAUSE EVERYONE'S FUND BALANCE IS THEN CONSIDERED. WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED TO DO, ESPECIALLY IN RELATIONSHIP TO REVENUE BONDS. ALSO LISTED HERE THE USE OF IMPACT FEES. YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION LATER THIS AFTERNOON TO DISCUSS WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES. WHAT WE HAVE LISTED ON THE PROFORMA IS THE TOTAL COLLECTION. WE ANTICIPATE IF NOTHING CHANGES AND EVERYTHING STAYS EXACTLY AS IT IS TODAY, THOSE IMPACT FEES ALSO ARE PART OF OUR CALCULATION. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OVERALL, WHERE DO RETAIL RATES NEED TO BE? WHERE ARE THE AREAS WHERE WE CAN USE THAT FUNDING BASED ON WHERE WE'RE DOING CONSTRUCTION AND WHAT KIND OF OFFSET DOES THAT THEN GIVE US? WATERS FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN. IN THE CURRENT YEAR, THEY ARE REQUESTING 94.9 MILLION. OF THAT, 55.6 MILLION WOULD BE DEBT FUNDING. THAT DOES INCLUDE WHAT WE WILL ISSUE WITH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. SO WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SAVINGS WE ARE ABLE TO CAPTURE ON THESE PROJECTS USING TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND ISSUING ON THE TRIPLE A. WIFIA FUNDING, WE ANTICIPATE 37.9 MILLION IN REVENUE, FUNDING OF 1.3 MILLION, AND THEY ARE PRIMARILY REVENUE FUNDING. THEIR VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS AND WATER MODELING. 
          MOVING INTO WASTEWATER IN THE CURRENT YEAR, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE WASTEWATER FUND WILL END THE YEAR WITH A POSITIVE NET CHANGE OF 197,500. THE BUDGET CHANGE. SO FROM THE CURRENT YEAR TO NEXT YEAR, THE BUDGET WILL INCREASE ABOUT 12%. WASTEWATER IS REQUESTING AN 11% RATE INCREASE. 
          THIS IS A RATE INCREASE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST YEAR. LAST YEAR WE ALSO IMPLEMENTED 11%. 
          WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, I DO HAVE INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH YOU AS TO WHAT THE IMPACT ON AN AVERAGE MONTHLY BILL WOULD BE FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, WITH ANY OF THE RATE CHANGES THAT ARE APPLICABLE. AND WE ALSO WILL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE LITTLE GRAPHIC I SHARE ALL THE TIME. AS TO ALL OF THE YEARS THAT WE DREW DOWN RATES AND WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE, REVENUE PROJECTIONS AND WASTEWATER 44.5 MILLION EXPENSE AT 44.1. THEY HAVE ONE VACANCY THEY ANTICIPATE TO HOLD THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2526. THE FIVE YEAR PROFORMA FOR WASTEWATER DOES INCLUDE THAT 11% FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. AND THEN AS YOU SEE, WE KIND OF STAIR STEP THAT DOWN AS WE GET CLOSER TO SOME OF THESE GOALS IN FUTURE YEARS. IMPACT FEES HERE ARE LISTED AGAIN AS THEY STAND TODAY WITH NO CHANGES. AND THAT WILL BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION WATER'S GOING TO BRING TO YOU LATER THIS AFTERNOON. THIS FUND IS MEETING ITS FUND BALANCE TARGETS, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO BUILD FUND BALANCE IN WASTEWATER, BECAUSE WASTEWATER IS PART OF THE BIGGER PLAN FOR THE WATER CAPITAL PLAN. SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526, THE REQUEST IS FOR 242.9 MILLION FOR THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN. OF THAT, 141.8 MILLION IS DEBT FUNDING AND 98.2 MILLION IS WIFIA FUNDING AND 2.8 MILLION IS REVENUE FUNDING. THIS FUND IS ALSO CASH FUNDING THEIR VEHICLES. SO AS I MENTIONED AT THE VERY END OF THE PRESENTATION, I HAVE SOME BREAKDOWNS FOR YOU BY MONTH AND THE IMPACT TO OUR BILLS FOR OUR RESIDENTS. WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU HERE IS A COMPARISON WITH THE CITY OF DENTON AND 11 OTHER CITIES. THESE ARE CITIES THAT WE FREQUENTLY COMPARE OURSELVES TO, AND THAT WE BRING FORWARD ALL TYPES OF INFORMATION TO YOU IN COMPARISON, THIS IS WHERE OUR CURRENT RESIDENTIAL RATES ARE. WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS THE GRAY LINE IS WATER, THE GREEN LINE IS WASTEWATER, AND THE BLUE IS THE TOTAL. RIGHT NOW IN THE OF THESE 12 CITIES, WE'RE ABOUT THE FIFTH LOWEST. THIS IS BASED ON 9000 MONTHLY GALLONS OF WATER AND 6000 MONTHLY GALLONS OF WASTEWATER. AND THOSE ARE OUR BILL AVERAGES FOR THE CITY. IF WE MAKE THESE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED FOR RESIDENTIAL RATES FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER, 
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AND THEN AGAIN, THE TOTAL, WE WILL STILL BE THE FIFTH LOWEST. ONE CAVEAT I WILL ADD TO THIS, THAT WILL BE APPLICABLE TO THE NEXT TWO SLIDES AS WELL, IS THAT EVERYBODY IS GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS RIGHT NOW. ALL OF OUR SISTER CITIES, ALL OF OUR COMPARISON CITIES ARE GOING THROUGH THEIR BUDGET PROCESS. AND SO THIS IS COMPARING WITH THE RATES THEY CURRENTLY HAVE PUBLISHED. THOSE MAY CHANGE. THEIR RATES MAY INCREASE AS THEY GET THROUGH THEIR BUDGET PROCESS. BUT THESE ARE THE RATES THAT ARE CURRENTLY PUBLISHED. FOR COMMERCIAL. SO THIS IS THE SAME GRAPHIC SAME CITIES LOOKING AT COMMERCIAL RATES. HERE WE ARE THE SEVENTH LOWEST AS WE STAND TODAY. IF WE MAKE THE PROPOSED CHANGES WE WILL BE THE 10TH LOWEST OR THE THIRD HIGHEST AGAIN. RIGHT. I CAN GO EITHER WAY. MAKE IT MAKE IT WORK. BOTH SIDES DEPENDING OF COURSE, ON WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING. I KNOW THAT THE COST OF TREATING WATER, THE COST OF TREATING WASTEWATER IS NOT GOING TO DECREASE ANYTIME SOON. IN FACT, SINCE 2019 WE HAVE SEEN SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN THE COST OF TREATING WATER. SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT OTHERS WILL BE EVALUATING THEIR RATES THIS YEAR AND WILL BE LIKELY ANNOUNCING CHANGES TO THEIR RATES AS WE GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE SUMMER. DRAINAGE. OKAY, SO THE DRAINAGE FUND IS ACTUALLY IN TWO PLACES. SO WE HAVE WATERSHED PROTECTION, WHICH IS UNDER THE DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES. THAT'S MICHAEL GARNIER. AND THEN WE HAVE DRAINAGE ITSELF, WHICH IS UNDER STEPHEN GAY IN WATER. IN TOTAL, THE FTE COUNT BETWEEN THE TWO IS 25. THAT IS THE SAME AS IT WAS LAST YEAR. WE ANTICIPATE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR THAT THE RESOURCES AND EXPENDITURES FOR THE DRAINAGE FUND WILL NET OUT AT 5.8 MILLION EACH. ON THIS CHART. I WANT TO POINT SOMETHING OUT. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ON THE NEXT ONE AS WELL. BUT IN FISCAL YEAR 2024, THE ACTUALS, WE SEE A NET CHANGE HERE OF $1.3 MILLION. THAT WAS THAT IS A MISSED TRANSFER. THOSE FUNDS NEEDED TO HAVE BEEN TRANSFERRED TO A PROJECT FOR CHANNEL REHAB. SO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO TO ADDRESS THIS IS GO THE RIGHT DIRECTION. OOPS. WE'LL FIND IT. IT'S NOT THE NEXT ONE. I THOUGHT IT WAS. WHAT WE'LL DO TO ADDRESS THIS IS IN THE NEXT YEAR. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THEIR BUDGET INCREASE BY 1.3 MILLION. THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW FOR THE TRANSFER TO BE COMPLETED ON THE BOOKS. SO GOING INTO NEXT YEAR, THEIR BUDGET CHANGE WILL BE 3.6%. THEY HAVE NO PROPOSED RATE INCREASES. THEIR REVENUE PROJECTIONS, 7.1 OF THAT 1.3 IS THAT ACCOUNTING TRANSACTION THAT WE NEED TO DO RIGHT? ALWAYS HAS TO BE BOTH SIDES TO BALANCE. SO WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR THE 1.3 MILLION IN THE CHANNEL REHAB THAT IS SITTING IN THEIR FUND BALANCE IN THEIR REVENUE. SO IT WOULD BE A USE OF RESERVES. AND THEN IN THE EXPENSE IT WOULD BE A TRANSFER OUT. AND WE WILL MOVE THAT THEN TO THE CHANNEL REHAB PROJECT WITH THE DRAINAGE FUND. THIS YEAR WE DID KICK OFF A COST OF SERVICE STUDY. IT HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED YET. WE JUST KICKED OFF ON THE 27TH OF JUNE FROM THE COST OF SERVICE STUDY. I ANTICIPATE THAT IN FUTURE YEARS WE WILL SEE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR RATE INCREASES TO THE DRAINAGE FEE. A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT THE DRAINAGE FUND, AND PART OF THE REASONING BEHIND IMPLEMENTING A COST OF SERVICE STUDY THIS YEAR. 
          WHEN THE FEE WAS IMPLEMENTED IN 2002, WE HAD 3300 INLETS AND 32 MILES OF INFRASTRUCTURE. TODAY, IN 2025, WE HAVE 9218 INLETS, WHICH IS 179% INCREASE AND 320 MILES OF INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS A 900% INCREASE IN THE 23 YEARS FROM 2022 TO 2025. WE HAVE MADE NO CHANGES TO THE DRAINAGE FEE. IT HAS REMAINED THE SAME WHILE OUR INLETS AND OUR MILEAGE HAVE INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY. SO AS WE'VE LOOKED AT, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH UTILITIES OVERALL? WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH RATE STUDIES? THEN THE QUESTION CAME IS WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH DRAINAGE? WELL, WE'RE GOING TO BRING RAFTELIS IN. WE'RE GOING TO COMPLETE THE COST OF SERVICE STUDY, AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK TO YOU. SO ANTICIPATE YOU WILL SEE THAT WITH YOUR NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. THE DRAINAGE FUND STAYS RELATIVELY CONSISTENT. WE ALWAYS HAVE A GOAL FOR AN ENDING FUND BALANCE 
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OF $1 MILLION. AGAIN, I'M $1.3 MILLION OVER BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET THAT TRANSFER IN IN 24. SO WE'LL GET THAT TRANSFER MADE AS WE GO INTO NEXT YEAR. THAT'S THAT 7.1. AND THEN THAT WILL REDUCE BACK DOWN TO THE MILLION DOLLARS. SO NOW WE'RE ON TO THE FUN PART. PRELIMINARY UTILITY RATE CHANGE SUMMARY. SO FOR WATER THIS IS BASED ON 9000 MONTHLY GALLONS FOR WASTEWATER 6000 MONTHLY GALLONS. AND FOR DME. THE AMOUNTS LISTED HERE ARE THE WINTER RATES. SO SUMMER RATES ARE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. WE USE THE WINTER RATES HERE. THAT WILL NOT CHANGE THE BOTTOM LINE, BECAUSE DME IS NOT CHANGING THE BASE RATE. SO YOUR VARIANCE IS STILL GOING TO BE SIMPLY WHAT IS THE RATE INCREASE FROM WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE FOR WATER TO WHAT THE PROPOSED IS, PLUS WHERE WE CURRENTLY FOR WASTEWATER. WHAT IS THE PROPOSED? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THE NET CHANGE IS STILL THE SAME BECAUSE AGAIN DME IS NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THEIR BASE RATES. SO FOR THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL BILL THE INCREASE WOULD BE $6.19 PER MONTH. FOR COMMERCIAL, THE AVERAGE WOULD BE $9.43. AND THAT'S THE TOTAL UTILITY BILL. SO WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT JUST WATER OR JUST WASTEWATER. THIS IS YOUR SOLID WASTE ELECTRIC WATER, WASTEWATER AND DRAINAGE. AND JUST A REMINDER OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST WITH RATES IN FISCAL YEAR 2019, 2020 AND 2021. IF WE ADDRESSED RATES, WE DECREASED THEM. WE STARTED INCREASING. IN 2024, WE HAD A 3% INCREASE IN ELECTRIC AND 11% IN WASTEWATER. IN 25, WE INCREASED SOLID WASTE BY 1.5%, ELECTRIC BY 1.5%, WATER AT 3%, AND WASTEWATER AT 11. AND IN 2526, WE'RE PROPOSING A WATER INCREASE OF 3% TO RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL RATES AND WASTEWATER AT 11%. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY IS FEEDBACK AND PRELIMINARY DIRECTION ON THE UTILITY RATE CHANGES FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER. SO THE 3% AND 11% AND YOUR GENERAL FEELINGS ABOUT THE COST RECOVERY OPTION FOR ONLINE CREDIT CARD AND UTILITY PAYMENTS. OUR NEXT STEPS. I'LL BE BACK AGAIN NEXT WEEK TO GO OVER THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526. THE BUDGET WORKSHOP WILL BE ON AUGUST 9TH. ON THE 19TH, FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FROM THE BUDGET WORKSHOP WILL BE PREPARED AND PRESENTED. AND THEN ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, THE BUDGET AND TAX RATE HEARING AND ADOPTION WILL OCCUR. AND WITH THAT, WE HAVE ABOUT 20 MINUTES FOR DISCUSSION. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS AND DIRECTION FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM 
          DISTRICT ONE THEN FOR. >> FIRSTLY I WANT TO SAY THAT WAS VERY WELL PRESENTED. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> I REALLY APPRECIATE THE DETAILS AND YOU KNOW, YOUR ENTHUSIASM FOR EVERYTHING AND GETTING THAT OUT TO US LIKE THAT. I'M JUST ALL FOR IT. I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT SIMPLICITY CAN BE. SO THANK YOU. UTILITIES DME, I'M TRYING TO KIND OF GO WITH MY LITTLE NOTES HERE. WHAT IS FOCUSED ADVOCACY CONTRACT. WHAT IS THAT? 
          >> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION FOR TONY WHO IS ON HIS WAY UP. >> OH SORRY ABOUT THAT. I'M JUST 
          THROWING STUFF. >> HELLO, TONY. >> HELLO, GENERAL. 
          >> MANAGER TONY PUENTE, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. FOCUS ADVOCACY IS ACTUALLY OUR LOBBYIST THAT WE EMPLOY AT THE THAT REPRESENTS US AT STATE, SIMILAR TO WHAT'S DONE ON THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT SIDE. BUT THEY ARE VERY SPECIFIC ON THE ELECTRIC SIDE. BUT A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE HIRED AN EMPLOYEE THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING THAT FOR US. AND SO AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET, WE FELT THAT OUR OUR EMPLOYEE IS ACTUALLY DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB NOW. WE'LL EVENTUALLY COLLABORATE WITH THE CITY'S LOBBYIST. AND SO JUST THERE WAS SOME REDUNDANCY THERE. 
          AND IT MADE SENSE FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND TERMINATE THAT CONTRACT. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I ALSO UNDERSTOOD RESERVES. I HAVE WRITTEN HERE, RESERVES MOVE TOWARDS GROWTH. I'M THINKING THAT WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT RESERVES, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU WERE 
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SUGGESTING THAT, YOU KNOW. OH, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. OUR RESERVES IS, IS IN THE, IS IN THE FOCUS OF GROWTH. IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE DEPENDING ON OUR RESERVES MORE SO THAN THE, THE, THE THOUGHT THAT WE CAN DO WITHOUT THE RESERVES AND STILL MAKE IT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. 
          >> YES. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT CREDIT RATING AGENCIES AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST FACTORS THAT YOUR CREDIT RATING AGENCIES ARE LOOKING AT IS WHERE ARE YOUR RESERVES, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF YOUR RESERVES. AND SO BEING IN EXCESS OF OUR POLICY IS A GOOD THING FOR US. THAT HELPS US TO DRIVE DOWN RATES, THAT HELPS OUR INVESTORS. 
          THAT'S REALLY ALWAYS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREDIT RATING AGENCIES, RIGHT? IT'S THE INVESTORS. IT'S THE INDIVIDUAL OR CORPORATION WHO'S GOING TO BUY OUR DEBT ON THE MARKET. WE WANT TO HAVE A AS STRONG AS POSSIBLE A FINANCIAL PLAN PUT TOGETHER THAT SHOWS THAT NOT ONLY ARE WE AWARE WE'RE GOING TO BE INCURRING MORE DEBT FOR GROWTH, WE HAVE PUT INTO PLACE, BECAUSE WE HAVE STRONG MANAGEMENT AND WE HAVE A SUPPORTIVE COUNCIL. WE'VE PUT INTO PLACE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HELP US TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS, RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THE INVESTOR CARES ABOUT. IF I BUY YOUR DEBT, YOU BEST BE ABLE TO MAKE YOUR PAYMENT. SO WE DO ANTICIPATE GOING AHEAD AND BUILDING THOSE RESERVES. THAT WILL ALSO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY FOR POTENTIALLY CASH FUNDING, SOME OF THOSE SMALLER PROJECTS. BUT RIGHT NOW WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN OVER $1 BILLION CIP FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER. SO IN THOSE TWO FUNDS, WE'RE REALLY 
          WATCHING THOSE RESERVE LEVELS. >> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR UTILITIES. MY NEXT QUESTIONS ARE FOR A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE. YES. IS IT PROPER FOR ME TO ASK WHERE THOSE TEN EMPLOYEES ARE LOCATED HERE ON? DO THEY HAVE A CAMPUS SOMEWHERE? THEY WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE? THEY SEEM LIKE WHEN YOU'RE DOWN THREE, ONE ONE, IT'S IN A SPACE SOMEWHERE. YES. 
          >> THEY LIVE. >> SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY AT THE DME CAMPUS ON SPENCER, YOU'VE BEEN IN OUR SYSTEM OPERATIONS AREA. DME HAD PREVIOUSLY HAD A DISPATCH GROUP. AND SO WE'VE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LEVERAGED THE DISPATCH GROUP, YOU KNOW, WITH 311. AND THAT'S WHERE THE 
          SYNERGIES CAME. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. 
          BUDGET REDUCTIONS, CONVENIENCE FEE 1.3 MILLION A YEAR I MY QUESTION WAS THAT 1.3 MILLION. 
          IT JUST SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT THIS CONVENIENCE FEE IS TRYING TO SOME KIND OF WAY OFFSET SOME OTHER FEES, BUT WE'RE COLLECTIVELY PUTTING THEM TOGETHER AND CALLING THEM A CONVENIENCE FEE, BECAUSE AS YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THERE, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS A REDUCTION. WAS THAT AN INCREASE? SO THERE WAS A REDUCTION IN SOME OF THOSE UTILITIES. BUT THEN WE 
          ADDED ON THE CONVENIENCE FEE. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? >> SO THE CONVENIENCE FEE IS A FEE THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE BANKING SYSTEM. THE INDIVIDUALS WHO GRACIOUSLY ALLOW YOU TO APPLY FOR A DISCOVER CARD, THEY'RE CHARGING FEES ON EVERY TRANSACTION, EVERY PURCHASE THAT YOU MAKE. SO THE CONVENIENCE FEE IS A CHARGE THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN RECOVERING OR NOT RECOVERING. EXCUSE ME? THE CITY HAS BEEN PAYING THE CONVENIENCE FEE TO THE CARD HOLDER, THE CARD 
          PROCESSOR, FOLKS. >> RIGHT. OKAY, LET ME STOP YOU RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. 
          BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE ANSWERING MY QUESTION. OKAY? AND I DON'T THINK I REALLY NEED TO GO ANY FURTHER THAN THAT, OKAY? BECAUSE I THINK I WAS REALLY TRYING TO CONNECT THE CONVENIENCE FEE TO THE UTILITY. AND THESE ARE LIKE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS. IT'S A CONVENIENCE FEE IF THEY 
          USE THE CREDIT CARD. >> CONVENIENCE FEE IS FOR USING THE CARD AND IT'S CHARGED BY THE BANK. ESSENTIALLY THE CITY IS PAYING THAT FEE. AND SO THE UTILITIES THEN END UP TRANSFERRING OKAY. YOU KNOW, BY THEIR ALLOCATION THEY'RE TRANSFERRING INTO THE CUSTOMER SERVICE FUND, THE $1.3 MILLION TO COVER THE FEE. BUT THE FEE IS CHARGED OUT. IT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY. IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL. WE CAN'T STOP THE FEE. IT'S GOING TO OCCUR IF YOU USE A 
          CREDIT CARD OR E-CHECK. >> OKAY. AND THEN I KNEW THAT I HAD HERE GENERAL FUNDS. OR DOES THE FEE GO BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUNDS OR IT GOES BACK TO CUSTOMER SERVICE? GENERAL FUNDS, 
          SENDS THE FUNDS BACK TO CUSTOMER SERVICE. IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? >> SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE IMPLEMENTED THE FEE IS THAT WE WOULD RECOGNIZE AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE IN THE CUSTOMER SERVICE FUND. AND BECAUSE OF THAT ADDITIONAL REVENUE, THE TOTAL AMOUNT THEN THAT THE UTILITIES 
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AND A LITTLE BIT OF GENERAL FUND NEED TO TRANSFER INTO CUSTOMER SERVICE WOULD BE REDUCED. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. THAT MAKES SENSE. >> YES IT DOES. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          >> ANY DIRECTION BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO BE TIGHT ON TIME. >> I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS OUR WHAT 
          WAS OUR CHARGE FOR? >> SLIDE 48. >> GO BACK TO 48. 
          >> YOU MIGHT BRING THAT UP. >> YEAH. BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE I WAS GETTING READY TO START WRITING MY NOTES BECAUSE I HAVE UTILITY PAYMENTS. OH. PRELIMINARY RATE CHANGE FOR WATER. YES. I'D LIKE TO SEE US PURSUE THAT COST RECOVERY OPTIONS FOR ONLINE CREDIT CARDS. 
          YES. PLEASE PURSUE THAT. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE NEXT STEPS ARE COMING AHEAD. 
          >> LET ME GIVE THEM THE OPTIONS ON THAT. THERE WAS A DOLLAR OR $2 RIGHT? 
          >> YEAH. DOLLAR OR $2. >> A DOLLAR, $2. $2.90 PER. >> PER. TRANSACTION GETS US TO 
          JUST ABOUT 100% COST RECOVERY. >> I'LL GO WITH THE $2 AND 90. >> OKAY. 
          >> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FOUR. >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I WAS MAKING NOTES NOT NEARLY AS FAST 
          AS YOU WERE TALKING, BUT WHAT? WHAT IS? OUTAGE INSURANCE. >> THAT'S ANOTHER GREAT 
          QUESTION. >> IF WE ONLY HAD A. OH, THERE HE IS. 
          >> SO OUTAGE INSURANCE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE STARTED BUYING AFTER WINTER STORM URI. AND IT'S BASICALLY THERE IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE A FAILURE IN ONE OF THE ENGINES OR MULTIPLE ENGINES, THE MARK THAT INSURANCE MARKET HAS CONSOLIDATED INITIALLY WAS THREE CARRIERS. NOW IT'S ONLY TWO CARRIERS. THE PRICE HAS GONE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY HIGH. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THE INSURANCE WOULDN'T KICK IN UNTIL A THIRD ENGINE GOES OUT. AND SO WE THINK THAT'S A PRETTY CATASTROPHIC SITUATION THAT NO AMOUNT OF INSURANCE WOULD COVER. AND SO THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE RECOMMENDED NOT TO BUY THAT OUTAGE INSURANCE FOR WINTER AND FOR SUMMER. AND SO THAT CONTINUES TO BE THE RECOMMENDATION HERE. NOW, WE DO HAVE SOME CONTINGENCY MONEY WITHIN OUR OPERATION BUDGET THAT IF IN THE EVENT, IN THE EVENT THAT THE MARKET WOULD CHANGE OR THERE WOULD BE SOME EVEN BE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US TO DO, THEN WE COULD LIKELY DO IT WITH OUT 
          OF OUR CONTINGENCY DOLLARS. >> OKAY, OKAY. OKAY, GOOD. PLEASE. YEAH. $1.3 MILLION A 
          YEAR IS WHAT WE'RE PAYING IN DISCOUNT RATES. >> NO, $1.3 MILLION A YEAR IS WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR. THE FEE THAT THE CREDIT CARD PROCESSOR CHARGES FOR THAT TRANSACTION. 
          >> IN A PREVIOUS LIFE THAT WAS CALLED THE DISCOUNT RATE. WHAT WHAT THE WHAT THE MERCHANT. THE MERCHANT SELLS 100% DISCOUNTS. THE SALE, IN THIS CASE 2.7% TO 2.7 GOES TO THE CREDIT CARD COMPANY. I'M WITH YOU THERE. SO THAT'S KIND OF AN INVISIBLE SHRINKAGE. IT SEEMS TO ME. 
          NOBODY REALLY SEES THAT. IT JUST IT JUST GOES AWAY. I'M WONDERING 2.7. YOU SAY THAT INCREASES YEAR 
          AFTER YEAR. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT'S BEEN FAIRLY CONSISTENT. >> THE USAGE INCREASES, MORE 
          PEOPLE. >> ARE OH I SEE, I. >> SEE USING ONLINE. 
          >> OKAY OKAY, I GOT IT. HAVE WE SHOPPED THAT AROUND. >> WE HAVE. WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS. AND IN FACT THE LAW CHANGE IN 29 OR THE REGULATORY CHANGE IN 2019 CHANGED FROM THAT BEING A PERCENTAGE TO THAT HAVING TO BE A FLAT FEE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? 
          >> NO. SO I HEAR YOU. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. >> SO THE MATH STILL WORKS OUT TO BE 2.7 APPROXIMATELY, BUT WE CAN NO LONGER CALL IT A PERCENTAGE. IT HAS TO BE A FLAT FEE PER TRANSACTION. SO WE HAVE WORKED WITH OUR CREDIT CARD PROCESSORS TO TALK THROUGH WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THE SYSTEMS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE. WE WOULD LAUNCH THIS WITH CUSTOMER SERVICE FIRST. WE DO USE MULTIPLE CREDIT CARD PROCESSORS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          ALL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS OF PROCESSING PAYMENTS. THE BIGGEST IMPACT IS IN CUSTOMER SERVICE. IT'S THE BIGGEST DOLLAR AMOUNT. THE 1.3 MILLION IN THE FEES. 
          >> OKAY. DO DO WE CITY OF DENTON USE THE SAME CREDIT CARD PROCESSING COMPANY? BECAUSE 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY. >> WE USE. WELL, YES AND NO. WE USE THE SAME GATEWAY. TO PROCESS 
          THE CREDIT CARDS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> MAYBE. 
          >> SO THE APPLICATION EXISTS. YOU PUT YOUR CARD INTO THE APPLICATION. THAT AMOUNT THEN HAS TO GO THROUGH A GATEWAY. THAT GATEWAY THEN GOES TO THE BANK. 
          >> RIGHT. >> SO YES WE'RE USING THE SAME GATEWAY. EVERYTHING'S GETTING 
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          CHARGED AT THE SAME RATE FOR USING THAT CARD. >> OKAY OKAY. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT A FLAT RATE PENALIZES A SMALL USER AND REWARDS A LARGE USER. YEAH. 
          >> I THINK THE WAY THAT I WOULD LOOK AT IT IS THAT THE CITY PAYING THE FEE FOR ONLY A PORTION OF CUSTOMERS WHO CHOOSE THAT PARTICULAR PAYMENT METHOD REALLY KIND OF SHORTS EVERYBODY. 
          RIGHT. >> AND I AGREE, BUT IF I'M A IF I'M A GINORMOUS USER AND I'M PAYING THE SAME FLAT FEE AS, AS THIS GUY OVER HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS TWO PEOPLE IN A DOG, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT. WHY NOT? WHY? AND YOU JUST TOLD ME YOU 
          CAN'T DO A PERCENTAGE, RIGHT? THAT SEEMS WRONGHEADED TO ME. >> SO WHAT WE COULD LOOK AT IS MAYBE A TIERED FLAT FEE BASED ON AMOUNT. I DON'T KNOW, THEY'LL DO IT, THOUGH. OR CUSTOMER CLASS. 
          YEAH. SO IF YOU WANT US TO MOVE FORWARD, LET US BRING THAT BACK TO YOU. LET US WORK THAT UP AND 
          SEE WHAT THOSE OPTIONS WOULD LOOK LIKE. >> OKAY. I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO CHARGE USERS WHO USE A CREDIT CARD. I WANT TO CHARGE THEM FOR THAT PRIVILEGE. I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO DO THAT. BUT I'D LIKE IT TO BE MORE, MORE EXACT. YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD 
          CONVENIENT, RIGHT? >> MORE CONVENIENT. >> I WANT IT TO BE. I WANT IT TO BE WHAT IT IS JUST A PASS THROUGH. IF IT'S 2.75, THEN CHARGE ME 2.75. LEGITIMATE. NOW, LAST QUESTION, I PROMISE. WHY ARE CITIES ONE THROUGH FOUR LOWER THAN WE? DALLAS? ARLINGTON? I DON'T REMEMBER THE OTHER TWO. ON THAT FIRST SLIDE WHERE YOU WERE COMPARING. WE 
          WERE NUMBER FIVE. >> YES. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR COMPARISON CITIES, THEY'RE COMPARISON CITIES BECAUSE THEY ARE CITIES THAT WE HAVE CHOSEN THAT ARE, FOR EXAMPLE, SIMILAR IN SIZE. OR MAYBE THEY HAVE SIMILAR UTILITIES THAT THEY OFFER, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY ARE DOING THE SAME THINGS WE ARE. WE TREAT THE WATER FROM THE LAKE TO THE TAP. 
          SO IN SOME AREAS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENCES BASED ON THE TYPE OF NOT JUST THE UTILITY ITSELF, BUT WHAT THE UTILITY ITSELF DOES. RIGHT? SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES, IT'S DIFFICULT ACTUALLY TO FIND REALLY DIRECT ONE ON ONE COMPARISONS BECAUSE WE DO TREAT FROM THE LAKE TO THE TAP. SO EVERYTHING THAT'S INCORPORATED INTO OUR RATES HAS TO PROVIDE FOR THAT FULL TREATMENT OF WATER. FOR EXAMPLE, WE ARE NOT BUYING WHOLESALE WATER. WE ARE SELLING OTHER PEOPLE WHOLESALE TRADED WATER. SO IF YOU ARE AN ENTITY THAT IS PURCHASING WATER AND THEN YOU ARE SELLING THAT WATER, RATHER THAN GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS TO CLEAN THE WATER, FILTER THE WATER, YOU KNOW, DO ALL THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO TO GET LAKE WATER TO TAP WATER. YOU 
          MAY HAVE LOWER RATES. >> OKAY. AND SOMEBODY'S GOT TO BE HIGH AND SOMEBODY'S GOT TO BE LOW I GET THAT. BUT BUT DALLAS IRVING ARLINGTON GRAPEVINE THEY'RE DOING THE SAME STUFF. 
          >> APPARENTLY THAT WOULD. >> BE WHAT ARE THEY DOING THAT'S CHEAPER THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          >> WELL ARE YOU GETTING THAT ONE. >> ON 1 OR 2? 
          >> I CAN TELL YOU THAT. STEPHEN GAY, GENERAL MANAGER, WATER UTILITIES AND STREET OPERATIONS. 
          SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, YOU'RE ASKING WHY DALLAS AND ARLINGTON ARE MORE AFFORDABLE IN THEIR RATE STRUCTURE THAN WE ARE. IS THAT WHAT. 
          >> THEY'RE THEY'RE LESS WHETHER IT'S AFFORDABLE OR NOT, IT'S LESS LESS MONEY. 
          >> I WOULD SAY IT'S MORE DRIVEN BY THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT THEY'VE BEEN DEVELOPING THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEIR RESOURCES. SO THEY'VE BUILT THEIR ASSETS OUT, THEY'VE BUILT THEIR SYSTEMS, THEY'VE BUILT THEIR WATER SUPPLY PORTFOLIO WELL BEFORE WE HAVE BUILT OURS. 
          AND THEREFORE THEIR COST OF OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE, THEY MAY YOU MAY THINK THAT, WELL, BECAUSE THEY'RE OLDER THAN OURS, THEIR THEIR COSTS ARE GOING TO BE HIGHER. THEY HAVE A MORE AGGRESSIVE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND IT'S KEEPING THEIR COSTS DOWN. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF KIND OF BUILDING OUR RESOURCES AND SOME OF THOSE UTILITIES. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THEM DIRECTLY. I KNOW DALLAS OWNS ITS OWN WATER RIGHTS, BUT OTHER UTILITIES LIKE, SAY, ARLINGTON, THEY'RE PART OF YOUR THEY'RE THEY'RE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH UTR, WD WHICH IS A REGIONAL WATER SERVICE PROVIDER. SO THEY'RE GETTING SOME WHOLESALE WATER AND THEY'RE HAVING THEIR OWN WATER TREATMENT FACILITY. SO IT'S NOT A LIKE TO LIKE COMPARISON. THEY'RE NOT DOING ALL TREATMENT, 
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ALL DISTRIBUTION AND ALL MAINTENANCE. THEY'RE DOING SOME VERSION OR SOME BLENDING OF THAT IN SOME OF THOSE COMPARISONS. AND THAT KEEPS THEIR COSTS LOWER. 
          >> DOES BRING DOES PROXIMITY TO A LAKE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT? 
          >> NOT NECESSARILY. IT'S REALLY HAVING ACCESS TO THE WATER. THE WATER RIGHTS THEMSELVES ARE COST MAINTAINING THOSE WATER RIGHTS, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PAY THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS TO MAINTAIN THE LAKES AND THE DAMS AND FOR DAM SECURITY, WE ALSO HAVE TO PAY FOR THE CONVEYANCE, THE TREATMENT AND CONVEYANCE OF THE PRODUCT OR THE WATER, THE TREATED WATER. SO IF YOU LOOK AT LAKE RAY ROBERTS, WHERE'S LAKE RAY ROBERTS LOCATED IN PROXIMITY TO THE CORE OF THE CITY. IT'S ROUGHLY 30 MINUTES AWAY. SO WE HAVE TO TREAT THAT WATER AND PUMP IT ALL THE WAY DOWN INTO THE CITY. SO JUST BECAUSE WE'RE CLOSER TO THE LAKE, WE STILL HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS. 
          DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? >> YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. DID YOU GET MY. AND I'D LIKE TO CHARGE THE, THE 
          WATER RATE, WHATEVER THAT IS. >> YEAH. TRACKING WITH YOU. AND SO WE'LL GO MAYOR PRO TEM AND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. AND WE'RE 20 MINUTES IN AND TWO PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. SO FOR 
          WHAT IT'S WORTH, GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU. IS MY AUDIO GOOD? >> YES. 
          >> OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO START BY THANKING STAFF FOR MOVING SOME OF THE EXPENSES FROM DEBT FUNDING OVER TO REVENUE FUNDING. SO THE REPLACEMENT IN ADDITION TO VEHICLES, I'D LOVE TO SEE US DO MORE OF THAT IF POSSIBLE, WITH EXISTING MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE ON THE CONVENIENCE FEE. I HAVE A QUESTION. IS THERE A PAYMENT METHOD WHERE THE CITY IS NOT 
          CHARGED A PROCESSOR FEE? >> YES. >> WHAT IS THAT? 
          >> SO FOR RECURRING BANK DRAFT CHARGES YOU DON'T GET ANY TYPE OF FEE. SO THIS FEE WOULD ONLY APPLY TO INTERNET, PHONE AND KIOSK PAYMENTS. POINT OF SALE PAYMENTS WOULD NOT BE PART OF THIS. SO IF YOU CAME TO THE COUNTER YOU WILL NOT BE CHARGED A CONVENIENCE FEE. THERE ARE LOTS OF OPTIONS ON THE CUSTOMER SERVICE WEBSITE FOR DIFFERENT PAYMENT OPTIONS THAT WOULD NOT BE APPLICABLE TO THE FEE. SO IF YOU ARE A BANK CUSTOMER, YOU WOULD NOT BE PAYING THE FEE. IF 
          YOU COME IN AND TALK TO US, YOU WOULD NOT BE PAYING THE FEE. >> SO IF I CAME IN PERSON WITH A 
          CREDIT CARD, THAT DOESN'T. >> NOT IF YOU COME TO THE COUNTER TO PAY THE CONVENIENCE FEE IS TRULY FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF BEING ABLE TO MAKE THE PAYMENT WITHOUT THE INTERACTION, RIGHT? SO IF I COME IN AND PAY AT THE KIOSK, THAT'S ADDITIONAL CONVENIENCE. IF I COME IN AND PAY AT THE WINDOW, THE FEE DOES NOT APPLY. AND THOSE ARE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS. THOSE 
          ARE NOT REQUIREMENTS THAT THAT WE HAVE CREATED OR ARE DRIVING. >> GOT IT. I MEAN, I SUPPORT US RECOUPING THE COSTS, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY LOVE FOR US TO REALLY ADVERTISE AND PUSH. YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY THIS FEE, HERE IS AN OPTION TO SORT OF OPT OUT OF IT IN A WAY SO THAT WE'RE NOT LOSING MONEY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, PEOPLE HAVE A DIFFERENT OPTION. BASICALLY, YES. AND THEN ON ON WATER WASTEWATER, I SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE AND I'M DONE. 
          THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. >> COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS. OKAY. SO REVENUE NUMBERS ARE THOSE 
          THE TWO STAGE OR. THAT'S THE OLD STYLE. >> FOR MOVING FORWARD FOR THE 
          LARGE LOAD. >> FOR IN THE PROFORMA. IT'S BOTH IT'S YEAH IT'S INCORPORATING THE TWO DIFFERENT. OKAY. YES. GREAT. AND THEN FOR THE FOR THE OUTAGE INSURANCE. 
          SORRY TONY I'M GOING TO DO MY TONY QUESTIONS FIRST. THOSE I KNOW WE HAVE LIKE A CYLINDER HEAD OUT RIGHT NOW ON ONE OF OUR UNITS. RIGHT. SO YOU KNOW LIFE HAPPENS. ENTROPY HAPPENS. WE GET THESE UNBUDGETED EXPENSES. SO WE FEEL THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH RESERVE. WE HAVE ENOUGH REVENUE, WE HAVE ENOUGH OPPORTUNITIES THAT THESE UNBUDGETED EXPENSES ARE NOT GOING TO THROW US OUT OF 
          WHACK. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE INSURANCE, RIGHT? >> YEAH, I THINK I THINK WHAT WE'VE WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS REALLY BUILD UP THAT FUND BALANCE. CERTAINLY THE THINGS THAT WE THAT COUNCIL HAS ALREADY APPROVED WITH THE FULL RECOVERY OF THOSE COSTS, I THINK CERTAINLY PUTS US IN A BETTER POSITION. THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE DONE IS WHEN WE DO OUR FORECASTING, WE'RE ONLY FORECASTING BASED ON 11 ENGINES VERSUS 12 ENGINES. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING OUT THERE AND FIXING OR BUYING FIXED CONTRACTS FOR, FOR ENERGY AND DOING OTHER FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS. SO I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK WE'VE TRIED TO BE FAR MORE CONSERVATIVE IN HOW WE'RE MANAGING. I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER IS, I THINK I THINK WE'RE COVERED, CERTAINLY IN AN UNEXPECTED EVENT. YEAH. AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING IS ON 
          THE TABLE. >> SO SOMETHING I WOULD FIND INFORMATIVE AND I'M ONLY GOING 
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TO ASK IT IF IT'S NOT TOO PROBLEMATIC TO GET. AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR YOU, TONY. IT'S, IT'S FOR ALL THE UTILITY DIRECTORS IS WHEN WE DO THESE RISK MANAGEMENT ASSESSMENTS OF OUR AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO OUR BUDGET FOR HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, RESERVES WE NEED AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          I DO WE HAVE A HISTORIC TREND FROM ANY OF YOU ALL ABOUT HOW MUCH UNBUDGETED SORT OF OOPS. 
          YOU KNOW THIS THIS IN YOUR CASE, A CYLINDER HEAD BLOWS OR IN, YOU KNOW, SAY WASTE WATER UNIT IS OFFLINE. DO WE HAVE WE HAVE TREND FOR THOSE SORTS OF ENTROPIC FACTORS. SO THAT AND 
          WE'RE INCORPORATING THAT INTO OUR RISK PROFILES. >> I MEAN, I THINK WHAT I CAN SAY ABOUT ME, I MEAN, CERTAINLY THAT'S SOMETHING WE LOOK AT ANNUALLY, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT THE RATING AGENCIES LOOK AT AS WELL. WE HAVE UPDATED THOSE FUND BALANCE TARGETS, THE MINIMUMS AND MAXIMUM TARGETS OVER THE YEARS. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONSTANTLY AWARE OF AND CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT. I THINK AT THIS POINT FOR DME, I THINK THE PERCENTAGES THAT WE HAVE ON MINIMUM AND MAXIMUMS, I THINK ARE SUFFICIENT. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TRYING TO GET THERE CERTAINLY IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, IF NOT SOONER. THAT'S 
          CERTAINLY A PRIORITY. >> OKAY. I'M STILL INTERESTED IN THAT INFORMATION AT SOME POINT, BUT I WON'T BELABOR IT NOW, FOR I KNOW YOU'RE DOING A COST OF SERVICE STUDY, BUT WE YOU WE DON'T HAVE ANY PRELUDES IN OUR IN THIS BUDGET. THIS THIS BUDGET IS ALL WITHOUT THAT COST OF 
          SERVICE STUDY INFORMATION. AND BUT THAT'S THIS FALL. SO NO. >> I THINK AT THIS POINT, IF I HAD TO GUESS TODAY, WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT SOMETIME LATE WINTER, END OF YEAR, MAYBE EVEN IN THE FIRST YEAR, JUST BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT. 
          >> YOU WOULD COME BACK TO US WITH AN ADJUSTMENT, POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, BASED ON THAT COST OF 
          SERVICE. >> WELL, I THINK I THINK THAT, YEAH. AND I THINK THAT ALSO AFFORDS US AN OPPORTUNITY. AS JESSICA HAS ALREADY SAID, WE DON'T GET THE MAJORITY OF OUR REVENUES TO REALLY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. RIGHT. AND SO THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLOSE OUT THE YEAR AND KNOW HOW WE ENDED AND THEN KIND OF HAVE THAT BROADER DISCUSSION AT THAT 
          POINT. >> THE THAT'S ALL FOR TONY. THANK YOU TONY. APPRECIATE YOU FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE I'M I AM I'M INTERESTED IN COUNCILOR HOLLAND'S SUGGESTION ABOUT TEARING BECAUSE THESE FLAT THINGS DO TEND TO HAVE MORE IMPACT ON ON LOW USERS AND THAN NOT. SO I WOULD LEND MY SUPPORT TO EXPLORATION OF THAT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY ASSESSMENT IN A SIMILAR IN A SIMILAR CHANNEL TO THAT? DO WE HAVE ANY ASSESSMENT FOR INCREASED FREQUENCY OF PAYMENT WHEN WE PROVIDE THESE OPTIONS AND THE INCREASED REVENUE THAT WE GET FROM THAT WHERE WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GOING AFTER ACCOUNTS IN ARREARS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND TRYING TO RECOVER PAYMENTS. AND BECAUSE THAT COSTS US MONEY TO GO GET THOSE ACCOUNTS IN ARREARS VERSUS THE, THE, THE EASE OF PAYMENT INCREASES OUR LIKELIHOOD OF MEETING FULL PAYMENTS. DO DO WE HAVE ANY ASSESSMENT FOR THOSE RELATIVE COSTS AND WHETHER AND I ASK THAT BECAUSE IF WE EAT THAT COST THE WAY WE ARE NOW, ARE WE GETTING MORE FACILE, MORE LIKELY PAYMENTS? AND IF WE START IMPLEMENTING 1 OR 290 COSTS OR TIERED COSTS OR WHATEVER WE END UP WITH, ARE WE GOING TO SCARE 
          PEOPLE OFF AND THEN HAVE TO DO. >> MORE COLLECTIONS ON THE OTHER SIDE? YES. SO TO ANSWER THE FIRST PIECE OF YOUR QUESTION, YES, WE DO COLLECT ON ACCOUNTS IN ARREARS. SO THAT WORK OF COURSE CONTINUES AS WE DO OUR AGING AND GO TO COLLECT THOSE ACCOUNTS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'VE SEEN IN OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IS THAT WHEN THE FEE IS IMPLEMENTED, YOU HAVE AN UPTICK IN THE AMOUNT OF FOLKS WHO WANT TO DO BANK DRAFT AS FAR AS SECURING PAYMENT TO THE UTILITY BANK DRAFT IS FANTASTIC FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AND ALSO FROM THE CUSTOMERS. THERE IS NO FEE. YOU KNOW WHAT THE BILL IS GOING TO BE. WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH YOU. YOU GET THE LITTLE TEXT MESSAGE, YOU PUSH THE BUTTON HERE IN DENTON. DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE DOES THAT, BUT I GET A TEXT MESSAGE TO PAY MY UTILITY BILL AND I JUST TELL IT, OKAY? AND IT GOES AHEAD AND DRAWS THE PAYMENT. SO YES, YOU YOU WILL SEE, I THINK ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL COMPLIANCE TO A POINT FOLKS WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO PAY THEIR UTILITY BILL, IT IRREGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE FEE IS THERE OR NOT, WILL STILL BE UNABLE TO PAY UTILITY BILLS. 
          >> SO WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS YOU DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE ON 
          COLLECTION RECOVERY. >> I THINK THAT IT WILL. I THINK THAT MORE FOLKS WILL GO TO THE FREE PAYMENT OPTIONS. SO SIGNING UP FOR BANK DRAFT AND YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO THAT 
          ARE RECURRING. >> OKAY. SO AS AS HITTING THIS I AM FOR EXPLORING THIS AS 
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COUNCILOR HOLLAND SUGGEST I GUESS I GUESS THAT MAKES ME IMPLICITLY FOR SOMETHING WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. I WANT TO WAIT AND RESERVE JUDGMENT. I'LL BRING YOU. 
          >> BACK SOMETHING. >> EXPLORED THAT IN TERMS OF DIRECTION. TWO ONE ON STREET AND ONE ON WATER. AND THEN I'M DONE. THE. OH, THANK YOU. COUNCILOR HONG REMINDS ME TO ASK FOR THE 
          CUSTOMER SERVICE. WHEN WOULD WE START IMPLEMENTING THIS? >> WE WOULD BE AIMING TO 
          IMPLEMENT THE 1ST OF JANUARY. >> 1ST OF JANUARY. THANK YOU. MY STREET FUND QUESTION IS, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF QUALITY CONTROL ISSUES THAT HAVE EXTENDED OUT OUR TIMES FOR LOOKING AT STREETS, AND I WAS CURIOUS IF THAT'S AFFECTING OUR BUDGETS IN TERMS OF WE'VE HAD TO GO BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, RE MILL AND OVERLAY AGAIN AND ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, AND I DON'T KNOW 
          HOW THAT IS IMPACTING OUR BUDGET DECISIONS. >> I'M GOING TO TURN THAT OVER 
          TO STEPHEN FOR THE OPERATIONAL PIECE. >> IT'S THE STEPHEN GAY ASK YOU 
          CAN YOU ASK YOUR QUESTION? MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT. >> YEAH. NO, WE WE'VE WE'VE HAD SOME QUALITY CONTROL AND SOME OF OUR VENDORS WHERE WE'VE HAD CRACKING AND WE AND WE HAD TO HAVE THEM GO BACK AND RECOVER AND GENERALLY THAT'S AT THE VENDOR'S EXPENSE. BUT ANYTIME WE PROLONG A PROJECT THAT HAS BUDGETARY IMPLICATIONS. SO IF IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A NINE MONTH PROJECT AND NOW IT'S 18 MONTHS, OR, YOU KNOW, IN CASE OF SOME OF THESE THINGS, THREE YEARS, THOSE ALL IMPACT OUR BUDGETS. AND I WAS CURIOUS IF THESE QUALITY CONTROL INCREASES OR DECREASES IN QUALITY CONTROL THAT WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING, NOT NECESSARILY OUR FAULT, BUT IF 
          IT'S IMPACTING OUR STREET FUND BUDGETS. >> I'D SAY NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE THE CONTRACTOR IS BEING HELD RESPONSIBLE. AND SO WE'RE GETTING THOSE THOSE REPAIRS MADE AT NO COST TO THE ORGANIZATION. SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, YOU'RE ASKING IF THOSE THOSE QUALITY CONTROL ISSUES ARE IMPACTING OUR FUNDING OR OUR BUDGET. YES. RIGHT. OUR LONG 
          TERM NOT NECESSARILY. >> ALL RIGHT. AND THE TIME IS MONEY ISSUE ISN'T A SIGNIFICANT 
          FACTOR. >> NO, SIR. OKAY. NO, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT. NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN SINCE YOU'RE THERE, THE OTHER ONE IS WATER AND WASTEWATER. WE ARE WE ARE HIGHLY DEPENDENT, AS WE SAW IN THE PRESENTATION OF DBI OR WHATEVER THE ACRONYM IS. 
          >> TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. >> AND WITH THE FUNDING AND THESE ARE GREAT. AND THEY'RE LOWERING OUR COSTS AND BUT WE'RE IN WE'RE IN MIDSTREAM OF THE WIFIA FUNDING ESPECIALLY. AND IS THIS REALLY I MEAN CAN WE BANK ON THIS OR IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE RISKY. AND THEN IF IT IS RISKY AND WE CAN'T BANK ON IT, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO OUR BUDGET? 
          >> WELL, I'LL HAVE JESSICA ANSWER THE SECOND PART. I'LL I'LL TRY TO PROVIDE AN ANSWER. 
          THE FIRST PART, EVERYTHING WE'RE HEARING BACK FROM EPA IS VERY POSITIVE. WE HAVE A WONDERFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM. AND THEN ACTUALLY, WHEN THE PRESIDENT CAME OUT WITH HIS BUDGET, HE PRIORITIZED FUNDING FOR EPA AS ONE OF HIS PRIORITIES. SO I THINK THAT THAT GIVES US A HIGH LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE. BUT I'LL TURN THAT BACK OVER TO JESSICA TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T 
          GET. >> TO STEVENS POINT. YES, WE HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE IN THE WIFIA FUNDING. TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, YOU'LL RECALL WE'RE ALREADY IN THAT CONTRACT WITH THEM. SO THAT IS FUNDING THAT NOW IS PART OF THAT CONTRACT WE LOOK AT ANNUALLY. WE ONLY ISSUE WHAT WE NEED THAT IS ALREADY TAKING PLACE. WE DID THE FIRST YEAR OF THAT THIS LAST YEAR. SO THAT WILL CONTINUE THROUGH THE RAY ROBERTS PLANT EXPANSION. WITH THE WIFIA FUNDING, I, I WOULD SAY WE ARE MORE CONFIDENT IN THE WIFIA FUNDING REMAINING AND BEING AUTHORIZED IN THE 26 FEDERAL BUDGET THAN WE ARE ABOUT SEVERAL OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE AUTHORIZED IN THAT BUDGET. WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT WIFIA, THE SIP PROGRAM WAS ALREADY IN PLACE. WE ALREADY KNEW THAT WE WOULD NEED OVER $1 BILLION. AND SO THE PLAN HAD BEEN TO ISSUE. STANDARD DEBT AT THAT POINT, REVENUE DEBT. SO AS WE GO FORWARD, IF ANYTHING DOES HAPPEN TO THE PROGRAM, WE WILL NEED TO REEVALUATE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE. THERE ARE A LOT OF OPTIONS OUT THERE IN THE MARKETPLACE. WE WOULDN'T SAVE AS MUCH. THAT'S WHY WE REALLY WANT TO CAPITALIZE ON THE WIFIA PROGRAM. BUT IN THE EVENT THAT ANYTHING HAPPENS WITH FEDERAL FUNDING, WE WILL BE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AS WE WILL BE WITH ANYTHING ELSE. FEDERAL? 
          >> NO, I MEAN, AND THAT'S FAIR. I JUST I GUESS, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE CRYSTAL BALL ISH, I REALIZE. BUT WE'RE WE'RE ASKING THE OTHER PIECE OF THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'RE ASKING IS, 
          DO I APPROVE OF THE 1111 AND. >> THE 11 AND THE THREE? >> WELL, 11 AND THE THREE FOR THE CURRENT YEAR. AND THEN WE'RE EXPECTING 11, NINE SOMETHING I FORGET THE INCREASES AS THEY TRAIL OFF, BUT AND THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY, AS I UNDERSTAND FOR THESE INFRASTRUCTURE, THESE 
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SIP PROJECTS IN WATER AND WASTEWATER. AND SO I'M I'M I GUESS DO WE HAVE A FEEL. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT NOW. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF FOR SOME REASON I TAKE YOUR CONFIDENCE, I'M WE'LL TREAT IT THAT WAY. BUT IF IT DOESN'T MATERIALIZE, WHAT WHAT RATE INCREASES WOULD WE LIKELY GO TO GIVEN OTHER FUNDING VEHICLES THAT WE'VE USED OR LIKELY TO USE? AND SO IS THAT DOES THAT BECOME 12 INSTEAD OF 11, OR IS IT 22 INSTEAD OF 11? IS MY GENERAL QUESTION. I'M NOT ASKING FOR THAT ANSWER RIGHT NOW. I GUESS MY DIRECTION WOULD BE. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THINGS COST SO MUCH, BUT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, SO I WILL SUPPORT THAT PIECE AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE, MR. MAYOR. >> ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE 
          DISTRICT SIX. COUNCIL FIVE. NO. GO AHEAD. >> COUNCILPERSON JESTER. 
          >> I JUST WANT TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS ALREADY. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE INFORMATION. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE WAY THAT IT'S PRESENTED. MAKES IT EASY TO DIGEST AND ALSO SEE WHERE WE'VE BEEN AS WELL AS WHERE WE'RE GOING. I'D LIKE TO ECHO THE MAYOR PRO TEM COMMENTS REGARDING HOW WE ARE FUNDING THINGS. REVENUE VERSUS OF COURSE, DEBT. I THINK IN THE FUTURE IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL WHENEVER WE DO TALK ABOUT TAKING OUT ADDITIONAL DEB, TO ALSO INCLUDE IN THAT CONVERSATION WHERE THE REPAYMENTS COMING FROM AND IF THINGS REMAIN CURRENT, WHAT THAT PROJECTION IS AS FAR AS WHEN THAT WOULD BE PAID OFF. JUST AGAIN, FOR SOME CONTEXT, AS WE AS WE TALK ABOUT ANY OF THESE, THAT THAT'S JUST A PERSONAL ASK IF IT'S POSSIBLE WHEN APPROPRIATE. BUT I AM IN AGREEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NO ONE LIKES TO BE THE GROUP THAT RAISES ANY KIND OF RATES ON OUR CITIZENS. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION IS THERE TO SHOW US WHAT IS NECESSARY. SO WITH THAT, I'M IN FAVOR. LET ME PULL UP THAT SLIDE AGAIN TO MAKE SURE IT'S THE. THE PRELIMINARY UTILITY RATE CHANGES FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER. I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT INCREASE AS FAR AS THE COST RECOVERY OPTION FOR ONLINE CREDIT CARD CHECK UTILITY PAYMENTS, I'M IN FAVOR OF RECOUPING SOME OR ALL OF THAT. AND I THINK THAT THE DIRECTION HAS BEEN TO SEE WHAT OPTIONS THERE ARE AS FAR AS IF THERE IS SOME KIND OF TIERED AVAILABILITY OF CUSTOMERS TO. CONSIDER. I CAN'T SAY I'M FOR THAT JUST YET. UNTIL I SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND DOES IT UNFAIRLY PENALIZE CERTAIN GROUPS OR OR HAVE ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES? AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS A CITY, BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO EXPLORE WHAT IS POSSIBLE THERE. I HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL. AND THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. THAT IS VERY HELPFUL. >> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. 
          >> JESSICA, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN PAYING THESE CONVENIENCE FEES. 
          SINCE 20. I'VE GOT IT ON HERE. 2020 I BELIEVE 2019. LET ME LOOK. WHAT WHAT DID I HAVE? WE HAD THEM WELL KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN PAYING THEM. SO WE HAD A CONVENIENCE FEE THAT WE IMPLEMENTED IN 2014. AND WE HAVE BEEN PAYING THE FEE SINCE NOVEMBER OF 2020. SO PRIOR TO NOVEMBER OF 2020, THE FEE WAS PASSED ON TO THE CUSTOMER FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF USING THEIR 
          CREDIT CARDS. >> WHAT CHANGED? >> WHAT CHANGED WAS IN THE REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT. AND SO WE WERE NO LONGER ABLE TO DO THIS AS A PERCENTAGE. AT THAT TIME, THE COUNCIL CHOSE TO DO AWAY WITH THE FEE. THE FEE CAN BE A FLAT RATE, NOT A 
          PERCENTAGE. SO THAT WAS THE CHANGE IN 2020. >> SO WE'VE BEEN EATING THESE 
          FEES FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS. >> YES. >> I WONDER IF THERE IS A WAY FOR US TO GENTLY, VIGOROUSLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET ONTO THE DRAFT SYSTEM SO THAT THEY WON'T BE CHARGED A FEE WITH THE WHERE I'M GOING HERE, THE OVERALL GOAL IS IF WE CAN ENCOURAGE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO GET ON THE DRAFT AND NOT USE THE CREDIT CARD, THE NUMBER OF CREDIT CARD TRANSACTIONS THAT WE HAVE ON A MONTHLY BASIS WILL GO DOWN SO LOW THAT THE FEE WILL BE NEGLIGIBLE. ERGO, SAID CITY COULD CONTINUE TO EAT THE COST. WHAT IS THAT NUMBER. 
          >> THE NEGLIGIBLE NUMBER OR THE NUMBER TO INCENTIVIZE? >> HOW MANY PEOPLE HOW MANY CREDIT CARD TRANSACTIONS CAN WE SUSTAIN OVER ANY MONTHLY PERIOD TO PERHAPS JUSTIFY US CONTINUING TO EAT THE COST? I KNOW THAT'S NOT A REAL NUMBER. I'M NOT REALLY ASKING YOU FOR A NUMBER. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS. FIVE. >> THAT WOULD REALLY WOULD BE A DECISION OF THIS, OF THIS BODY 
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          AS TO. >> WHAT THE DECISION OF COUNCIL. SO I'M GOING TO I APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND'S SUGGESTION. I'M GOING TO ON THAT. I WANT TO SEE SOME TYPE OF TIERED SYSTEM, BUT MOREOVER, I WANT TO SEE SOME TYPE OF TIERED SYSTEM THAT WE CAN DO IF WE GET TO THE POINT OF ACTUALLY HAVING A FEE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FEE THAT WE ARE IMPLEMENTING TO PEOPLE DOES NOT JUST START AT 100% COST RECOVERY, THAT IT THAT IT GRADUALLY GOES UP IN ORDER TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE TO GET ON THE BANK DRAFT. AND I'M TALKING TO MYSELF. I PAY MINE EVERY MONTH WITH A CREDIT CARD, SO DON'T I, TONY? EVERY WEEK, ACTUALLY DON'T I? SO YEAH, IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN CAN ENCOURAGE AND IF THE NUMBER BECOMES SO SMALL THAT THE CITY CAN EAT THE COST, THAT IS WHAT I PREFER IN A IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE EVERYTHING IS MORE EXPENSIVE. THIS FOR ME, I WANT IT TO BE A LAST OPTION. SO I'M GOING TO GO WITH WHAT 
          COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND SAID. >> JUST SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT THE CITY TO EAT THE COST? 
          >> I'M SAYING I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY. I WANT TO KNOW HOW LOW WE CAN GET IT TO POSSIBLY, POSSIBLY SUSTAIN EATING THE COST. BECAUSE IF WE'RE PAYING ONE POINT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S CAN IT BE 200,000? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. WHAT IS THE SUSTAINABLE NUMBER? OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO EAT ANY OF THIS, BUT I'M TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO NOT PASS ON AN ADDITIONAL 
          COST TO OUR RESIDENTS. >> THAT'S ALL. I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS EDUCATING THE PUBLIC NOT TO USE THE CREDIT CARDS. AND THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO PAY, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO SAY THIS, AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET SICK OF ME SAYING IT, BUT WE CANNOT NO LONGER AFFORD TO EAT COST. OR I THINK OUR MAYOR PRO TEM TALKED ABOUT IT ELOQUENTLY, AND OUR COUNCIL MEMBER CHESTER SAID IT AS WELL. WE SHOULD BE DOING MORE REVENUE FUNDING AND NOT DEBT FUNDING FOR OUR FOR OUR BONDS, BECAUSE THIS CITY IS GOING TO HAVE A REALLY HARD, HARD SITUATION COMING UP IF WE DON'T START LOOKING AT WHAT WE TRULY NEED TO BE DOING AND NOT EATING ALL THESE COSTS, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD ANYTHING. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS OR ANYTHING ELSE. IF WE CONTINUE TO EAT ALL THESE COSTS AND CONTINUE TO DO 
          BUSINESS AS USUAL. >> I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR US TO EAT ALL THESE COSTS. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE COST, AND I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR ALMOST FIVE AND A HALF YEARS. SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHAT IS THE NUMBER AT WHICH 
          WE CAN, SHE SAID. NOVEMBER OF 2025. RIGHT? 2020 2020. >> YEAH, 2020. 
          >> SO IT'S ALMOST FIVE. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET IT LOWER SO THAT POSSIBLY IF THERE'S AN EXCESS SOMEPLACE ELSE WE CAN TAKE IT. THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M AIMING IT TO. 
          >> AND I THINK THERE ARE WAYS THAT TONY AND I CAN TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN INCENTIVIZE FOR FOLKS 
          TO SIGN UP FOR BANK DRAFT. I'VE SEEN THAT BE SUCCESSFUL. >> LET'S MAKE IT HARDER TO USE A 
          CREDIT CARD, GIVE THEM 3 OR 4 CLICKS OF SCREENS TO GET TO. >> I'M NOTHING LIKE AN. 
          >> EXTRA CHICKEN. YEAH, WE CAN. WE? THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT. THANK 
          YOU. >> JUSTIN I'M SORRY. >> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FOUR. 
          >> I'M VERY SORRY. I'M AFRAID I'VE BEEN MISQUOTED. I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF A OF A OF A OF A TIERED SYSTEM. I'M IN FAVOR OF AN EXACT COST WHERE THE CITY PAYS ZERO. ZERO COST? IF IT'S 2.75, CHARGED 
          ME 2.75. NOT A TIERED, BUT THE CITY PAYS ZERO. >> OKAY. 
          >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, I'LL TRY TO JUST. AND I'LL TRY TO ASK SUCCINCT QUESTIONS SO THAT YOU CAN GIVE ME SUCCINCT ANSWERS SO WE CAN MOVE ON. AROUND THE CREDIT CARD FEE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY DEBIT CARDS ARE INCLUDED IN THAT. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND? DO DO WE RECEIVE A FEE FOR DEBIT CARDS? I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE. CREDIT CARDS, CREDIT CARDS, FEES, DEBIT CARDS, DEBIT CARD FEE. BECAUSE NORMALLY YOU JUST PUT IN YOUR CODE. AND I 
          THINK THAT LOWERS THE FEE. >> NO, THERE'S STILL A FEE PAID FOR THE TRANSACTION. OKAY. YEAH. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. >> AND THEN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. OUR FEES ARE NEGOTIATED. 
          IT'S RFP THAT GOES OUT. WE USE WELLS FARGO FOR MEMORY. IS THAT IS THAT. 
          >> WELLS FARGO IS OUR BANK? YES. >> YEAH. AND SO THAT'S RFP T GOES OUT. YES. 
          >> WE HAVE EXISTING CONTRACTS THAT ARE IN PLACE. AND WE HAVE WORKED WITH THOSE VENDORS REALLY ASKING CAN WE IMPLEMENT A FEE. WOULD WOULD THIS BE SOMETHING THAT OUR SOFTWARE CAN DO. AND 
          THE ANSWER IS YES, WE CAN DO THAT. >> AND HOW FREQUENTLY DO WE PUT 
          THAT OUT FOR BID. >> EVERY FIVE YEARS OKAY. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IF WE LOOK AT SLIDE 27 IT TALKS ABOUT THE WATER FIVE YEAR FORECAST. AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF AND IT'S ON WASTEWATER AS WELL. BUT I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT DOESN'T LIST AT THE VERY BOTTOM. 
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IT DOESN'T LIST. AND THERE'S LET ME GET THERE. USE OF IMPACT FEES ON 20 2324 IS BLANK. 27 I'M 
          SORRY 27. >> OH. >> VERY BOTTOM FIRST COLUMN. WHY 
          IS THAT? >> BECAUSE WE DID NOT USE ANY IMPACT FEES THAT YEAR. THAT 
          COLUMN IS SHOWING THE ACTUALS. >> RIGHT. >> SO WE MAY NOT HAVE HAD A 
          PROJECT IN AN AREA WHERE WE USED IMPACT FEES THAT YEAR. >> OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME WITH WASTEWATER I THINK. YEAH. SO THERE'S NO OKAY. GOT IT. AND THEN. THEN. SO MY QUESTION WAS PUT IN AROUND NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT COST. AND THE ANSWER WAS IT'S COMPLICATED. BUT THEY LIST THEM ON THEIR WEBSITE. AND I AND I TAKE YOUR POINT TO THAT BECAUSE YOU GAVE THAT ANSWER EARLIER TOO. IT'S COMPLICATED. RIGHT. SO YES, SIR. SO TO JUST TO FAST FORWARD TO THE END OF THE STORY, HERE'S MY ASK THAT WE SPEND THE NEXT PERIOD OF TIME. OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FOR THIS BUDGET SESSION. MOST OF THE ENTITIES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE PUBLIC ENTITIES. SO WE JUST SEND IN AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST OR CALL THEM AND SAY, I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU ALREADY KNOW IS THEY PROVIDE DIFFERENT SERVICES. GREAT, BUT I DO EXHAUST OF THE WE DON'T KNOW. THEY DON'T SHARE THEM. ALL THE LITTLE THINGS THAT SAY WHY WE CAN'T GET THE NUMBERS, WE CAN GET THE NUMBERS. THEY'RE PUBLIC ENTITIES. YOU JUST ASK THEM FOR IT. IF THEY DON'T GIVE IT TO YOU, THEN YOU REQUEST IT AND THEY HAVE TO TURN IT OVER. 
          >> THAT'S CORRECT. SO CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? IS THAT FOR THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL RATE OR THEIR MEMBER CITIES, BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT RATES THAT THEY CHARGE THEIR CITIES AND THEN THEIR CITIES CHARGE DIFFERENT RATES TO THEIR CUSTOMERS. SO THERE'S A RETAIL VERSUS A WHOLESALE COMPONENT. THAT'S. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET YOU THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. BECAUSE I CAN SHOW I CAN TELL YOU, LIKE YOU SAID, WE CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE. WE CAN SAY, HEY, ON THE WATER SIDE, THEY HAVE A MEMBER FEE AND THEN THEY HAVE A WELL, THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT FEES. ONE'S A MEMBER AND ONE'S A CONNECTOR FEE THAT THEY CHARGE. 
          AND THAT'S VERY CLEAR. BUT THOSE MEMBER CITIES, THE ONES THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING WATER TO CHARGE A WHOLLY DIFFERENT RATE AND HAVE A DIFFERENT RATE STRUCTURE THAT THEY DO THE 
          RETAIL AND WE'RE MORE RETAIL SERVICE PROVIDERS. >> WHAT I'M WHAT I'M TRYING TO PARDON ME, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS OUR RESIDENTS SAY DEARDEN'S WATER IS TOO EXPENSIVE. I KNOW SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN FILL IN THE BLANK CITY AND THEY PAY LESS. I'M TRYING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AT THAT LEVEL, OKAY? AND THAT'S A VERY REAL CONVERSATION ALWAYS. AND SO IT HELPS TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT TO ALSO SAY THEY DON'T DO THESE THINGS, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. AND THAT'S WHY I MEAN, ALL THOSE THINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT. I WOULD HAVE HAD AN ANSWER FOR YOU, BUT I DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER BACK. SO I DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION FROM SUNDAY. SO I DON'T HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION BECAUSE I'M WAITING ON THE FIRST ONE. SO THAT SAID, I GET IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FOR THIS CONVERSATION, BUT FORWARD LOOKING, I UNDERSTAND IT'S COMPLICATED, UNQUESTIONABLY UNDERSTAND THERE DIFFERENTLY. 
          UNQUESTIONABLY. I JUST WANT A CHART THAT SAYS, HERE'S THESE BLUE COLUMNS WHERE WE DO THINGS THAT THEY DON'T DO. HERE'S THESE YELLOW COLUMNS WHERE WE DO THINGS THEY DON'T DO, BUT HERE'S THEIR COST OR, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING, OR HERE'S WHOLESALE, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. 
          THEY DON'T DO THESE THINGS AND THEIR SAVINGS, JUST A CHART THAT SAYS, AND AMONGST SIMILAR CITIE, BECAUSE I THINK BOTH CAN BE TRUE. I THINK WE CAN CHART THAT OUT. AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY 
          UNDENIABLE THAT WE'RE WE'RE NO ONE'S THE SAME. >> UNDERSTOOD. I THINK I 
          UNDERSTAND YOUR REQUEST NOW. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THEN DIRECTION I WOULD SAY GIVEN WHAT YOU'VE LAID OUT I FALL IN THE MIDDLE. I'M A I'M A, YOU KNOW, 150 ISH, BUT MAJORITY IS COME BACK WITH SOME SORT OF COMPLETE RECOUP RECOUP OR A TIERED APPROACH TO THAT. THAT'S 
          THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. >> OKAY. GOT IT. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY 
          MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 
          [B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on the update regarding Denton’s Climate Action Plan goals, measures and dashboard.
    [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]
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B. IT'S ID 25421. RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON THE UPDATE REGARDING DENTON CLIMATE ACTION PLAN GOALS, MEASURES AND DASHBOARD CHAIR. 
          >> THANK DID HEAR. AND. >> WHATEVER. THEY'RE JUST CHATTING YOU CAN STOP SHARING. 
          >> THANK YOU. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL MICHAEL GARNER WITH ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES SUSTAINABILITY TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND THE PROGRESS WE MADE DURING THE FISCAL YEAR 2324, WHICH IS THE SAME YEAR THAT PLAN WAS ADOPTED. JUST TO SET THE FRAMEWORK A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME NEW MEMBERS AS WELL. THIS PLAN SETS US ON A PATH TO GET NET ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2050. IT HAS THREE PRIMARY GOALS THAT ARE BROKEN OUT ONE, TWO, THREE ON THE SLIDE. AND THERE'S 16 ACTIONS. THE PERCENTAGE IS SHOWN BEHIND EACH ONE OF THOSE GOALS IS THE PERCENT OF THE OVERALL EMISSIONS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT GOAL. SO TRANSPORTATION COULD OR WILL REDUCE 53% OF OUR OVERALL COMMUNITY EMISSIONS. IF WE CAN GET THAT TO BE NET ZERO. THE PLAN DOES COVER ALL OF THAT, AND IT'S A COMMUNITY WIDE PLAN WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE GRAPHIC. EVERYTHING IN GREEN. THIS LAST YEAR, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME BUILDING A DASHBOARD AND A SCORECARD, BECAUSE YOU MAY REMEMBER AS WELL, PART OF THIS PLAN WAS TO SHOW ALIGNMENT WITH ALL OF OUR OTHER MASTER PLANS, ALL THE GOOD WORK THE CITY'S ALREADY DOING IN ADVANCE OF AND IN PAST UP CONTINUATION OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. SO WE'VE GOT THAT BUILT. WE'LL COVER THAT MORE AT THE BACK END OF THIS PRESENTATION. FIVE BIG ACCOMPLISHMENTS, THOUGH DURING THAT YEAR WE WERE STILL 100% RENEWABLE ENERGY BY DME, WHICH IS A HUGE LIFT. A LOT OF CITIES ARE ONLY DOING THAT FOR THEIR MUNICIPAL COMPLEXES OR PORTIONS OF THEIR CITY. WE'RE DOING IT FOR ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS. WE ALSO CONTINUE TO DO THE $1 MILLION INVESTMENT TO HELP THE COMMUNITY FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY. 
          THAT'S A HUGE LIFT. ANOTHER GREEN SENSE PROGRAM, SOLID WASTE, IS DOING AMAZING THINGS. 
          THEY'VE GOT OUR DIVERSION RATE UP TO 24%, WHICH IS EXTENDING THE LIFE OF THE LANDFILL, REDUCING A LOT OF OTHER IMPACTS. THAT'S A LARGE PORTION OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITHIN A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. SOCIAL MEDIA ENGAGEMENT ACROSS ALL OF DENTON IS UP ALMOST 200%. 
          THAT MEANS WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE'S ATTENTION NOW. WE JUST GOT TO FIGURE OUT THE MESSAGES TO SHARE TO HELP GET THAT BEHAVIOR TO CHANGE. ROOFTOP SOLAR CONTINUES TO INCREASE. WE ACTUALLY ADDED 3.2MW FROM APRIL 2023 THROUGH THIS FISCAL YEAR. WE AS A CITY ARE ALSO SO SMART. 
          GOLD, WHICH MEANS WE'RE COMMITTED TO MAKING IT EASY AND AS SEAMLESS AS POSSIBLE TO INSTALL SOLAR ON STRUCTURES WITHIN DENTON. MOVING INTO OUR GOAL ONE TRANSPORTATION. LOTS OF INFORMATION ON THE SLIDE IN THE CENTER, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF THE NUMBER OF REGISTERED VEHICLES AS WELL AS THE NUMBER OF EV. SO YOU'LL SEE THE ADOPTION RATES. IT GOES FROM CITY OF DENTON DOWN TO DENTON COUNTY WIDE AND THEN INTO OUR MUNICIPAL FLEET AS WELL. ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, IT'S A GRAPHIC SHOWING WHERE EV CHARGING IS LOCATED THROUGHOUT DENTON. IF YOU DO THE ESTIMATES ON HOW MUCH PUBLIC CHARGING IS NECESSARY, A LOT OF THAT IS DRIVEN ON WHO HAS ACCESS AT HOME, HOW MANY VEHICLES. YOU HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT WHEN YOU RUN THOSE RANGES, WE'RE ON THE HIGH END OF THAT RANGE. WE'RE NOT ON THE LOW END, WE'RE DOING WELL. FIVE OF THOSE LOCATIONS ARE AT CITY FACILITIES, SO WE AS A CITY DO PROVIDE EV CHARGING AT FIVE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE BECAUSE WE ALWAYS GET ASKED THERE ARE BOTH LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL INCENTIVES CURRENTLY AVAILABLE TO HELP WITH EV PURCHASES, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE EV CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THE BOTTOM LITTLE OVER THERE IS A REMINDER THAT THE MARKET ASSESSMENT WE GET ASKED A LOT WHAT'S AVAILABLE. SO FROM MARCH 23RD TO MARCH 25TH, THE NUMBER OF EV MODELS AVAILABLE ACROSS THE US ALMOST DOUBLED AGAIN. FORD AND GM ARE TWO MAJOR MANUFACTURERS. THEY STILL HAVE COMMITTED TO THEIR ZERO EMISSION GOALS IN THE FUTURE. AND THEN FOR HOME CHARGING, A LOT OF THE MANUFACTURERS ARE OFFERING INCENTIVES OR HELP TO INSTALL EV CHARGING WITHIN YOUR HOME, AND THOSE ARE LISTED ON THERE AS WELL. CONTINUING WITH TRANSPORTATION, JUST TO FOCUS BACK ON WHAT WE CONTROL AS A CITY, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. WE ADDED 11 EV VEHICLES, ADDED SIX E-BIKES. WE PROCURED THE FIRST ELECTRIC FIRE ENGINE THAT WENT INTO SERVICE IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR, AND WE CONTINUE TO OFFER AND ENCOURAGE EV OPTIONS ACROSS ALL OF OUR LIGHT DUTY FLEET. FOR ALL STAFF THAT ARE LOOKING TO REPLACE OR UPGRADE THEIR VEHICLES. BUT TRANSPORTATION GOES MUCH MORE BEYOND JUST WHAT WE DRIVE. IT 
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ALSO ENCOURAGES CHANGING BEHAVIOR. HOW DO WE ACTUALLY GET THEM OUT OF THE CAR AND INTO THE COMMUNITY? SO ACTIVE, ACTIVE INFRASTRUCTURE IS HUGE, ENCOURAGING, MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THEIR WALKING AND BIKING OPTIONS. HOW DOES THAT CONNECT? WHERE CAN YOU GO? HOW DOES THAT WORK? GETTING PEOPLE JUST FLAT OUT OF CARS, DECREASING TRIPS, TRIP REDUCTION. ONE WAY WE LOOK AT THAT IS HOW MANY FOLKS ARE USING THE DCTA RIDERSHIP. BECAUSE AGAIN, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC TRANSIT MOVING AROUND THE CITY, WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT AS USED AS MAXIMIZED AS POSSIBLE. WHILE THOSE ARE BEING MOVED AROUND. BUILDING MEASURES COMMUNITY WIDE. I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE A COMMITMENT FOR THE $1 MILLION WITHIN THE GREEN SENSE PROGRAM. THAT PROGRAM, DURING FISCAL YEAR 2324, ISSUED 769 REBATES. TWO KEY ASPECTS OF THAT IS THE HVAC SYSTEMS. WE HAVE ALMOST A 300% INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS OR RESIDENTS THAT RECEIVED REBATES TO HELP THEM WITH HVAC. SAME WITH INSULATION. 
          THAT'S UP 240%. THOSE ARE BIG CHANGES ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THE SLIDE ACROSS DENTON, OUR HOUSING STOCK. SO WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY LIVING THE BULK OF THAT HOUSING STOCK, OVER 75%, 74% IS BUILT IN 2009 OR OLDER, TIME BACK TO GREEN SENSE. 94% OF OUR REBATES WENT TO RESIDENTS IN HOMES THAT WERE 2009 OR OLDER. SO WE'RE PUTTING THE FUNDS TO HELP THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST. 
          UTILITY USAGE ACROSS THE CITY COMMUNITY WIDE. OF COURSE WE HAVE GROWTH, BUT PER CUSTOMER, ELECTRIC USAGE IS DOWN ACROSS THE COMMUNITY. NATURAL GAS USAGE IS DOWN AND ACROSS THE COMMUNITY. WATER USAGE IS DOWN AS WELL. THOSE ARE ALL GREAT METRICS TO MOVE US FORWARD. 
          GOING BACK INTO MUNICIPAL CONTROL. OUR FACILITIES GROUP HAS DONE A GREAT JOB FOCUSING ON CITY FACILITIES, SO SOME OF THE THINGS WE DO CONTROL IS CHANGING OUT LIGHTING IN BUILDINGS THAT RUN FOR EXTENDED HOURS AND HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC. SO WE CONVERTED LED LIGHTING INTO 18 DIFFERENT FACILITIES. THEY'VE UPGRADED THEIR HVAC CONTROLS. SO THE CIT, SINCE OUR NUMBER OF BUILDINGS DOESN'T CHANGE YEAR OVER YEAR LIKE THE GROWTH WE'RE SEEING ACROSS DENTON, OUR ELECTRIC USAGE DECREASED BY JUST OVER 9%. AND THANKS IN PART A LOT TO PARKS AND REC FOR CHANGING SOME THINGS. LAST SUMMER, OUR WATER USAGE WAS DOWN 34%. THAT'S A HUGE STEP. THE GRAPHIC ON HERE HELPS SET THE STAGE. WE DO HAVE 204 BUILDINGS THAT FACILITIES MAINTAINS, AND ROUGHLY 63 OF THOSE ARE A MIXTURE OF STAFF AND PUBLIC. THE OTHER ONES ARE PART TIME USAGE OR MORE OF A STRUCTURE THAT MIGHT CONTAIN, LIKE A LIFT STATION OR A PUMP. LAND USE. THE THIRD GOAL. THIS IS JUST LOOKING AT HOW WE AS A CITY PLAN AND BUILD OUT ACROSS THE CITY. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS TRYING TO ENHANCE ACCESS TO NECESSITIES. SO AS YOU HAVE BUSINESSES, RESTAURANTS, OFFICES, YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE IF YOU COULD. WE ALSO ARE BRINGING A BIG STEP UNDER SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING TO PRODUCE NATURAL, RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS FROM THE LANDFILL. AND THEY'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE WATER UTILITY TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO OFF THE WATER RECLAMATION PLANT. BIG STEP TOWARDS OUR CLIMATE GOALS. THE GRAPHIC IN THE MIDDLE. THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION OVER SHARED WALL CONSTRUCTION. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU DO MULTIFAMILY OR SHARED WALL. SO THE LESS WALLS YOU HAVE EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS, THE MORE EFFICIENT THAT STRUCTURE CAN BE. SO THIS TABLE JUST LOOKS IN ONE PART OF DENTON. IT'S INSIDE THE LOOP. IT'S ROUGHLY 150 ACRE AREA, AND IT SHOWS THE GROWTH FROM 2016 TO 2025. AND THE MESSAGE THERE IS THAT GROWTH WITH THE SHARED WALL, THOSE SHARED WALL UNITS ARE 35 TO 55% MORE EFFICIENT THAN THE SINGLE FAMILY UNITS. SO THAT'S WORKING IN OUR FAVOR AS WELL TO HELP US DECREASE THAT USAGE PER CUSTOMER ACROSS THE UTILITY. JUST TO SUMMARIZE HERE A LITTLE BIT, I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE CREATED A DASHBOARD. THE LEFT HAND SIDE SHOWS WHEN YOU DROP INTO THE DASHBOARD IT'LL SAY CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. IT HAS SOME INFORMATION ABOUT IT AS YOU SCROLL DOWN THE PAGE. THE NEXT THREE PICTURES IN THE MIDDLE ARE OUR THREE GOALS TRANSPORTATION, BUILDINGS, AND LAND USE. IF YOU CLICK ON ONE OF THOSE, IT'LL JUMP YOU TO THE ACTIONS. SO THE ACTIONS ARE SHOWN. BELOW IS AN EXAMPLE FROM SOME OF THE BUILDING SECTOR. IF YOU'RE SEEING THE DIFFERENT COLORS, THAT SHOWS THE PROGRESS, WHETHER IT'S ON TRACK ALREADY COMPLETED SOME DISRUPTION OR PLANNED IN THE FUTURE. SO THE BLUE COLOR IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT THE BLUE COLOR IS ACTUALLY COMPLETED. THE GREEN IS ON TRACK. PURPLE IS SOMETHING THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. AND ANYTHING YOU'RE SEEING ON GRAY ON THE LEFT HAND, LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SLIDE IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING TO PULL IN ALL THE METRICS ON, SO IT'S BEING PROGRAMED AND PUT IN. THIS COVERS ACROSS FOUR MAJOR PLANS, WHICH IS THE 2040 PLAN, THE PARKS AND TRAILS MASTER PLAN, THE 2022 MOBILITY PLAN, AS WELL AS THE COMPREHENSIVE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT STRATEGY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. JUST A QUICK SNIPPET OF WHAT WE MENTIONED EARLIER. IT SHOWS THE GREEN SENSE PROGRAM OUT OF OUR ACTUAL SCORECARD, SHOWING SOME OF THE METRICS WE THOUGHT WERE IMPORTANT TO TRACK. IF YOU DIG INTO THAT, YOU'LL SEE HOW MANY PERMITS WERE ISSUED, SAY, FOR AN HVAC CHANGE OUT. IT WILL SHOW YOU THEN HOW MANY OF THOSE PERMITS ACTUALLY RECEIVED A REBATE AND HOW THAT SATURATION IS WORKING. SO THAT'S WHAT THE SCORECARD LOOKS LIKE. WITH THAT, 
          I WILL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. LET ME CLICK STOP SHARING. >> THANK YOU. 
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          >> QUESTIONS FOR. >> STAFF. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          TWO. >> COME ON. THERE WE GO. >> THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED WAS MOVING FROM SOLSMART GOLD TO PLATINUM THAT INVOLVED SOME SORT OF COMMUNITY PROJECT WAS THE BIGGEST ISSUE. OR ARE WE STILL KIND OF THINKING ABOUT DOING THAT? BECAUSE I THINK WE'D BE THE ONLY ONE IN THE STATE THAT WAS PLATINUM IF 
          WE DID THAT, AND THAT'S A FEATHER IN OUR CAP. >> WE'RE ONE OF FIVE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? FOR GOLD. I THINK WE'RE ONE OF FIVE CITIES IN THE STATE THAT ARE GOLD. GOLD. THE PLATINUM CAN BE A SOFTWARE CHANGE OR A COMMUNITY CHANGE. WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT TO SEE HOW THAT CAN BE DONE WITHIN FUTURE, TO SEE IF WE CAN STEP UP TO THAT LEVEL. BUT RIGHT NOW, BEING GOLD IS A GREAT THING. FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE CITIES TO THE SOUTH OF US IS JUST STARTING TO TRY TO LOOK AT IF THEY EVEN WANT TO GO IN AT THE BASE LEVEL OF BRONZE. THEY'RE JUST INVESTIGATING THIS 
          YEAR AS PART OF THEIR CLIMATE PLAN. >> THAT'S FAIR. I JUST WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE IF THAT WAS STILL IN OUR HORIZON, YOU KNOW, ON SOME OF OUR ELECTRIC VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE FIRE TRUCK, WE'RE LEADING THE WAY. I THINK THAT'S REALLY AWESOME. AND I'M REALLY STOKED THAT WE DID THAT. I DO NOTICE IN THE COMPARISON CHART THAT YOU GAVE US THAT WE WERE TRENDING TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PERCENT ADOPTION. AND MY QUESTION IS LIKE, I'M THAT'S NOT A CRITICISM BECAUSE WE CAN DO WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT WHAT BARRIERS ARE MAKING IT? SOME OF THEM ARE FINANCIAL. YOU KNOW, WHO HAS THE EXPENDABLE FUNDS TO BUY AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE KIND OF THING. BUT WHAT ARE THE YOU WOULD THINK THAT ALL OF NORTH TEXAS WOULD HAVE SIMILAR MARKETS? WE'RE GOING TO BE SIMILAR. AND SO WHAT WHAT'S 
          PUTTING US AT THE BOTTOM OF. >> WELL, WE'RE BY NO MEANS THE BOTTOM. I COULD ACTUALLY SHOW A LOT OF OTHER CITIES THROUGHOUT THE METROPLEX THAT WERE WAY AHEAD OF BEING AT THE 1.3%. IT'S NOT THE BOTTOM. IT'S JUST WE I TRIED TO SHOW SOME LOCALS THAT ARE AROUND US OF THE JURISDICTIONS CLOSEST TO US, BECAUSE THEY MAY BE COMING IN OUT OF DENTON AS WELL. JUST TO GIVE IT AS A COMPARISON, SOME OF THAT'S DEMOGRAPHIC, SOME OF IT'S CONSUMER CONFIDENCE, SOME OF IT IS HOW THEY LIVE THEIR LIFESTYLE. SO IF YOU HAVE AN AREA WHERE YOU MAY BE MORE RETIRED AND YOU'RE STAYING MORE LOCAL, YOU MAY BE MORE CONFIDENT IN HAVING THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE. 
          WHEREAS IF YOU MAY HAVE YOUNGER KIDS AND YOU'RE TAKING MORE ROAD TRIPS, YOU MAY BE LESS LIKELY TO BUY THAT. SO IT'S CONSUMER CONFIDENCE, IT'S AVAILABILITY OF MODELS. AND OF COURSE, IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CONTINUES TO GROW NATIONWIDE TO GET THAT SUPPORT. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN APP IN YOUR CAR, YOU DON'T ALWAYS SEE WHERE THE EV CHARGING IS. 
          >> NO. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE GOING THERE BECAUSE THAT WAS THAT'S SORT OF THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION IS WE'RE DOING WELL ON NOT NOT, YOU KNOW, AMAZINGLY ROLLING OUT CHARGING STATIONS, BUT PRETTY, PRETTY ROBUSTLY. THEY'RE ALL OVER TOWN. AND SO THAT'S NOT WHAT I DON'T SEE THAT AS A BARRIER. SO I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THESE QUESTIONS IS WHAT WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS THAT WE HAVE CONTROL OF IN DENTON FOR IMPLEMENTATION THAT WE CAN IMPROVE ON TO GET OUR 1.3 UP TO SOME OF THE THREES AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE. 
          >> I'M NOT SURE WE COULD ACTUALLY IMPROVE, I THINK BY CONTINUING TO HAVE THE REBATE STRUCTURE, CONTINUING TO HAVE THE ACCESS AND MAKING IT EASY FOR THE INSTALL, THE EV CHARGERS, IT'S ALL THERE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, IT FOLLOWS OUR PRIMARY TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR. 
          IT FOLLOWS WHERE OUR HOTELS AND MOTELS ARE. IT ALSO FOLLOWS CAR DEALERSHIPS WHERE THEY'RE DOING MORE SALES. AND THEN IT SPECKLES ACROSS THE COMMUNITY WITHIN MULTIFAMILY AS WELL, WHERE THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE ACCESS IN THEIR DIRECT GARAGE. SO I THINK ORGANICALLY IT'S GROWING WELL, WE'RE SEEING IT TO CONTINUE TO GROW, AND I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ANYTHING WE NEED TO DO NECESSARILY TO PUSH THAT HARDER. I THINK THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS. IF YOU WENT INTO A MAJOR BOX STORE AND LOOKED AT LAWN MOWERS LATELY, BULK OF THEM ARE ELECTRIC, WHEREAS JUST A FEW YEARS AGO THE BULK OF THEM WERE GAS. SO I THINK THIS IS JUST GOING TO TAKE THAT TIME TO GET THE MARKET TO UNDERSTAND IT. AND THE MORE PEOPLE WHO SEE SOMEONE USING IT AND GET MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MORE SALES AND PRICES CONTINUE TO DROP. 
          >> NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NEXT QUESTION, AND I'VE ONLY GOT TWO LEFT. THE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT WE'RE DOING WELL AND WE MADE SOME ACCOMPLISHMENTS ON IT. AND YOU MENTIONED SOME OF OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT THAT PROMOTED SOME OF THESE CHANGES. YOU JUST MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, SOME REBATES ON, ON ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT. AND BUT IN GENERAL, WE ALSO HAVE BUILDING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. WE DIDN'T SAY THIS, BUT OUR IN THIS REPORT. BUT DO YOU OR DO YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT STANDARD CHANGES THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER GOING FORWARD. OR ARE YOU GOING TO PRESENT THINGS LIKE THAT SO THAT 
          WE CAN GET BETTER ATTAINMENT OF OUR OF OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN? >> THAT'S PART OF THE ACTUAL DASHBOARD. IF YOU DIG INTO IT UNDER BUILDINGS, YOU'LL SEE WHERE IT LINKS BACK TO DIFFERENT BUILDING CODE TRIGGERS UNDER OTHER MASTER PLANS. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, YES, INTERNALLY, WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS OVER HOW TO INCREASE THAT AS WELL. BUT A LOT OF THOSE PIECES AND THOSE COGS ARE ALREADY IN THE WORKS TO START TO TRY TO REMOVE BARRIERS IN THAT 
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          REGARD. >> WELL, I'M GLAD YOU TOOK IT TO THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS MY VERY NEXT QUESTION ON THE ON THE DASHBOARD THAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THE DASHBOARDS, SINCE WE'VE BEEN IMPLEMENTING THEM ACROSS THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, HAVE BEEN AN EXCELLENT TOOL. I REALLY APPRECIATE THEM. I DO FIND IT REALLY INFORMATIVE WHEN DEPARTMENT HEADS OF ALL FLAVORS GIVE US TRENDS. AND SO LIKE WHEN YOU WERE SHOWING US JUST THE ONE REBATE TREND AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN SEE THOSE TREND LINES, THOSE ARE THOSE ARE NICE BECAUSE IT'S NICE TO PROJECT THEM OUT TO OUR ANTICIPATED ZERO GOALS. AND YOU'VE DONE THAT IN PRIOR REPORTS. SO I GUESS I'M ENCOURAGING US TO NOT JUST I THINK THESE WERE, YOU KNOW, THE LAST TWO BUDGET CYCLES, IF WE COULD SEE WHETHER WE'RE ON TARGET TO HIT OUR GOALS OR WHETHER WE'RE DRIFTING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, OR WE'RE GOING TO GET THEM EARLY, LIKE, I MEAN, FOR THE RENEWABILITY OR FOR THE 100% RENEWABLE DME HIT IT A COUPLE YEARS EARLY. SO THOSE ARE VERY HELPFUL FOR COUNCIL TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE. 
          >> NEXT YEAR'S UPDATE WILL HAVE MORE DETAIL IN THAT REGARD. SOME OF THE METRICS LIKE YOU'RE MENTIONING ON GREEN SENSE, WE HAD PIECES OF IT, BUT COULDN'T BUILD IT OUT BEYOND THE TWO YEAR FISCAL YEARS CURRENTLY. SO WE'RE ALREADY GATHERING THE DATA FROM THIS YEAR. SO THIS TIME NEXT YEAR, I'M GOING TO HAVE 3 OR 4 YEARS TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT, TO THEN BUILD THAT TREND LINE. 
          >> PERFECT. THANK YOU I APPRECIATE YOU, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 
          REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE THEN FOR. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. ON SLIDE SEVEN, WHAT IS THE STUDY PERIOD FOR THE DROP IN ELECTRICITY USE PER CUSTOMER? AND SAME FOR WATER, I THINK. SO I THINK IT SAID IT DECREASED 5% PER CUSTOMER ON SLIDE SEVEN. 
          >> THE ELECTRIC THIS IS FOR DURING FISCAL YEAR 2324. THE ELECTRIC USAGE ACROSS THE COMMUNITY DECREASED 5% PER CUSTOMER AND THE WATER DECREASED 7% COMMUNITY WIDE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL USAGE WITHIN THE CITY OF DENTON, IT WAS DOWN 7%. 
          >> OKAY. SO THAT'S JUST ONE YEAR. >> THAT'S JUST ONE YEAR OKAY. 
          >> GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN ON SLIDE NINE IT TALKS ABOUT SHARED WALL CONSTRUCTION. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY SINGLE FAMILY APPEARS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE TALLY FOR SHARED WALL 
          CONSTRUCTION? SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED SPECIFICALLY. SORRY. >> YEAH. THE TOTAL AT THE BOTTOM IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS. SINGLE FAMILY MOVES FROM LEFT TO RIGHT. SO IT WAS 221 AND WENT TO 445. DUPLEX WENT FROM 28 TO 86. AND THE MULTI-FAMILY OR THAT MORE TYPICAL SHARED WALL. WE ADDED NEW 683. SO WE WENT FROM 249 DWELLING UNITS TO 1214 IN THAT SAME AREA. SO THAT 1214 IS A COMBINATION OF ALL THREE TYPES. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? 
          >> I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY LIKE BECAUSE IF WE'RE SAYING THAT SHARED WALL IS MORE EFFICIENT, I THINK I'M CONFUSED WHY SINGLE FAMILY SEEM TO GET LUMPED IN. IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE 
          IT'S PART OF THE COUNT OF SHARED WALL. >> WELL, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY 150 ACRES AREA WITHIN THE LOOP IN DENTON. SO ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WHEN I WAS IN FRONT OF THE BODY, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION OVER HOW DOES THAT FIT WITHIN DENTON, CAN IT BE DONE? AND THERE WERE SOME GOALS AND DISCUSSIONS OVER A 1 TO 2 OR 2 TO 1 RATIO. SO TWO MULTIFAMILY OR TWO SHARED WALL TO ONE SINGLE FAMILY. THIS SHOWS THAT THIS AREA ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED ALMOST A 1 TO 3 RATIO. SO IT'S ONE SINGLE FAMILY TO THREE SHARED WALL. SO THIS IS JUST JUST SORT OF SHOWING HOW AREA COULD GROW AND POSSIBLY MEET OR 
          BEAT THAT GOAL AS WE BUILD THAT OUT TO SHOW IN THE NEXT UPDATE. >> OKAY. SO IT'S SORT OF A 
          COMPARISON WITHOUT LIKE A PERCENTAGE BASICALLY. >> YES. 
          >> OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM 
          DISTRICT FOUR AND FIVE. >> CHARGING STATIONS AT CITY FACILITIES. ARE THOSE FREE TO 
          USE. >> THEY ARE NOT. IT'S WE USE CHARGEPOINT CURRENTLY AS OUR PROVIDER. THERE IS A FEE TO CHARGE IT, BUT IT'S OPEN TO ALL PUBLIC MEMBERS. THERE IS A FEE. 
          THERE ARE SOME CHARGERS THROUGHOUT DENTON THAT ARE FREE TO THE PUBLIC. SOME OF THOSE WERE GRANT FUNDED, DONE DIFFERENTLY, AND SOME OF THOSE ARE STARTING TO SUNSET. SO THE 
          BULK OF FREE MAY BE GOING AWAY. >> BUT THOSE ARE NOT CITY OWNED. >> THEY'RE NOT CITY OWNED. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. >> MICHAEL, LET'S MAKE SURE THOSE CITY CHARGING FACILITIES MAKE SURE THEY'RE PAYING THEIR CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEES. 
          GREEN SENSE. WHEN Y'ALL SET THIS UP, I WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BODY. SO HELP ME, DOES DMV GIVE A FLAT RATE EVERY YEAR, OR DOES IT TRACK ALONG WITH PROFITS. THE COMMITMENT ON THE GREEN SENSE PROGRAM RAISED OR WAS INCREASED ROUGHLY TWO YEARS AGO TO THE $1 MILLION. THAT $1 MILLION THEN IS GUIDED THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES THROUGH THE PROGRAM MANUAL ON HOW THEN WE DISPERSE 
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THOSE FUNDS SO THAT MANUAL AND HOW WE WERE GOING TO PROPOSE THAT CAME THROUGH THIS BODY TO 
          MAKE THAT AMENDMENT AS WELL. >> WHAT WILL IT BE NEXT YEAR? >> IT'S CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET 
          AT 1 MILLION. >> WHAT WILL IT BE THE YEAR AFTER THAT? 1 MILLION. SO IT'S 
          ALWAYS GOING TO BE A MILLION. >> CURRENTLY IN THE DOCUMENT. IT'S 1 MILLION. I DON'T WANT TO GUESS IN FUTURE YEARS BECAUSE THERE COULD BE CHANGES THAT THAT COULD CHANGE THAT. IT COULD GO UP. IT COULD GO DOWN RIGHT NOW IN THE CURRENT BUDGET, IT'S AT 1 MILLION. 
          >> SO WHERE I'M GOING HERE IS THAT IT'S ALWAYS IT'S $1 MILLION. IT'S $1 MILLION. ENOUGH FOR YOU TO CONTINUE TO AGGRESSIVELY ACCOMPLISH YOUR GOALS. BECAUSE I REMEMBER. 
          >> PER CAPITA, IT ALIGNS US WITH SAN ANTONIO, WHO'S ALSO ONE OF THE MORE AGGRESSIVE CITIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT THE TOP TIER ON HOW MUCH WE'RE INVESTING IN THAT REGARD. SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT COMMITMENT, WHETHER IT'S ENOUGH OR NOT, I CAN'T SAY YET. WE NEED TO LOOK, NOW THAT WE'RE TWO YEARS INTO OUR NEW REBATE STRUCTURE TO SEE IF WE CAN TWEAK SOME OF THE REBATES AND GET MORE CUSTOMERS IN AND STRETCH THAT MONEY EVEN FURTHER. IT'S A LITTLE PREMATURE FOR ME TO SAY IF THAT'S ENOUGH OR NOT, BUT IT'S A GREAT INVESTMENT, AND IT DOES ALIGN WITH OTHER CITIES THAT ARE MUCH LARGER THAN US ON A PER CAPITA BASIS. 
          >> I'M NOT AT ALL MINIMIZING THE COMMITMENT. WE'VE ALREADY WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED. IT'S GREAT. 
          BUT HAVING SAID THAT, THE THREE OF US SIT ON THE COMMITTEE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, AND WE'VE HAD TOUGH CONVERSATIONS ABOUT RUNNING OUT OF MONEY. SO. IF WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF MONEY AND IN THEORY, IF, YOU KNOW, OVERALL REVENUE FROM DME CONTINUES TO GO UP, SHOULD THAT NOT BE SOMETHING 
          THIS BODY SHOULD LOOK AT? >> WHAT I WILL SAY THERE IS THAT THAT CAN BE A DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE. IT'S NOT REALLY WHAT THIS UPDATE WAS FOR. WHAT I WILL SAY IS, IF YOU LOOK AT SLIDE TEN ON THE LITTLE SNIPPET FROM OUR SCORECARD, THE MILLION DOLLARS IS ACTUALLY JUST BARELY. WE DIDN'T HIT IT. WE WERE AT LIKE 10,000 LESS, BY THE WAY. WE PROCESSED EVERYTHING. SO THAT 1,000,100% USED UP, WHICH WAS GREAT. THAT'S THE FIRST YEAR IN A LONG TIME WE HIT 100% USAGE. 
          THIS YEAR WE'RE TRENDING ABOUT THE SAME. WE'LL SEE WHERE WE END. WE STARTED OUT VERY SLOW, I THINK POSSIBLY DUE TO THE ELECTIONS OR OTHER DRIVERS. SO WE STARTED OUT SLOW, BUT WE'RE CATCHING UP QUICKLY, SO I FULLY EXPECT WE'LL BE CLOSE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GO OVER. 
          >> MR. CITY MANAGER, I RESPECT THAT. WE'VE GOT SOME BUDGET CONSTRAINTS. ARE WE ARE WE NOT THERE YET IN TERMS OF INCREASING THE AMOUNT THAT GOES TO GREEN CENTS AND NEEDING TO KEEP THOSE 
          FUNDS FOR OTHER THINGS? >> I WOULD JUST SAY THIS THIS IS ON THE RADAR OF THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FOR THE SPECIAL SESSION. WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN HOW WE SPEND OUR MONEY FROM THE UTILITY, BECAUSE IT IS ON THEIR RADAR THAT THEY FEEL LIKE WE ARE ABUSING THE MONEY FROM UTILITIES TO PUT INTO A GENERAL FUND PROGRAM OR OTHERS. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THEY'RE GOING TO COME UP, THEY'RE GOING TO ADDRESS. AND THE OTHER PART IS I THINK IF THERE'S AVAILABLE FUNDING AND THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE I, AND WE ARE PAYING DOWN OUR DEBT IN, IN A THE ELECTRIC UTILITY, WHICH AS YOU KNOW, IS QUITE HIGH BECAUSE OF THE STORM URI, THEN I THINK ALL THOSE THINGS ARE ON THE TABLE FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. BUT I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT PAYING DOWN THE DEBT BECAUSE THERE'S A LARGE DEBT, AND YOU'LL SEE IT WHEN WE HAVE OUR CAPITAL PROGRAMS WITH DME COMING UP THE NEXT OUR NEXT MEETING. BUT ALSO IT IS ON THE RADAR OF OUR LEGISLATIVE BODY TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH IS BEING TRANSFERRED FROM THE ELECTRIC UTILITY INTO OTHER PROGRAMS IN THE CITY GOVERNMENT. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. >> THANKS, MICHAEL. >> ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE? I WILL JUST SAY THIS TO CLOSE OUT. I'M LOOKING. I PULLED UP THE CITY OF DENTON'S GOALS ON ACTION PLAN HERE ON THEIR WEBSITE. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT DIRECTLY TIES BACK TO BEING 100% 
          RENEWABLE. AM I MISSING IT? >> I THOUGHT IT WAS THERE. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE PLAN SAYING WE HAVE TO BE 100% RENEWABLE, BUT BY PROVIDING 100% RENEWABLE, WE'RE CONTRIBUTING TO OUR OVERALL CLIMATE ACTION GOAL OF REDUCING THOSE EMISSIONS. SUCH A LARGE INVESTMENT THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO CURRENTLY. IF THAT CHANGES OR DOESN'T CHANGE, THAT WILL AFFECT WHAT WE DO ON 
          AN EMISSIONS INVENTORY. >> OKAY. >> SO TO THAT END, THOUGH, I WOULD ASK, IT'S NOT DIRECTLY YOU, BUT I'M JUST DIRECTING IT WHILE WE HAVE IT HERE. I KNOW IT'S NOT YOUR THING, BUT I DO WANT TO SEE AND FORGIVE ME IF I'VE MISSED IT AND THEY'VE SENT IT OUT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION A BUNCH. I DO WANT TO SEE A SIDE BY SIDE ON MAINTAINING THAT DISTINCTION AND LOWERING RATES. I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM A RESIDENTIAL AND A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT, BECAUSE THE COMMERCIAL PEOPLE THAT I'VE TALKED TO ARE WORKED UP, AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO RAISE AWARENESS ON PURPOSE BECAUSE NOT ONE PRESENTATION DO WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL REPRESENTATIVE THAT COMES IN AND TALKS TO US. AND SO FOR ME, IT IS CRITICAL TO HAVE THAT VOICE AT THE TABLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE A PETERBILT VERSUS A 
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2000 SQUARE FOOT HOME. IF WE'RE ONLY LISTENING TO 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOME ON AVERAGE FOLKS AND IGNORING SEVERAL SEVERAL THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, I THINK WE DO THEM A DISSERVICE, AT LEAST TO BE HEARD ON IT. AND SO ALL THAT SAID, IT'S JUST A RENEWED FOCUS ON. I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT DISTINCTION GOING AWAY IF IT NETTED OUT. I KNOW ONE REPORT SAID 1%. IF WE CHANGE SOME THINGS, THE, THE, THE CREDITS, BUT THIS PLAN OPERATES OUTSIDE OF THAT, THAT AND I THINK WE CAN STILL HIT THESE GOALS AND AT THE SAME TIME SAVE OUR RATEPAYERS A LOT OF MONEY AND WE CAN DO A LOT OF GREAT THINGS WITH THAT MONEY AS WELL. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE BE MY FOCUS. AND I AND I DO WANT TO CREDIT YOU FOR POINTING OUT WHAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE LEGACY MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT WERE BUILT, I MEAN, WHEN I WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, EVERY SINGLE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING IN CEMENT CITY, OWSLEY ADDITION DEPENDING WAS THERE AND THEY WERE GETTING THOSE SAME BUILDINGS WERE GETTING 500 A MONTH. NOW THEY'RE GETTING WHATEVER THEY'RE GETTING, BUT THEY'RE NOT EFFICIENT. AND SO I THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO WORK ON AS WELL, IS GETTING THAT CHURN SO THAT WE CAN GAIN EFFICIENCIES THERE. SO THERE'S A LOT TO WORK ON. SO THANK YOU. GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          [C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on the proposed amendment and adoption of the Water and Wastewater Impact Fees.
      [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 60 minutes]]
          >> THANK YOU. >> THAT TAKES US TO OUR LAST WORK SESSION. ITEM C ID 251139. 
          RECEIVE REPORT DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND ADOPTION OF THE 
          WATER WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES. >> I GOT IT. OH. >> YOU KNOW THAT WOULD IMPACT 
          FEES ADOPTION. >> SO WHERE'S THE WHERE'S. >> THE SHARE AND THE SHARES 
          RIGHT THERE. THAT. >> AND THEN. >> WHEN I GO. TO STOP. 
          >> SHARING OKAY. AND IT JUST GOES RIGHT UP THERE. OKAY. WE'LL TRY TO TRY. 
          >> NOT TO FLUB IT UP TOO MUCH. AFTERNOON. MAYOR. COUNCIL STEVEN. GAYTAN GENERAL MANAGER, WATER UTILITIES AND STREET OPERATIONS. I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION ON THE WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE UPDATE, AND TO REQUEST THAT A PUBLIC HEARING BE SET FOR AUGUST 5TH TO CONTINUE THE ADOPTION OF THE REVISED FEES. SO WE'RE GOING TO START THE PRESENTATION. THIS LITTLE OUTLINE. WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THE STEPS TAKEN IN UPDATING THE WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES. WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE SERVICE UNITS. WE'LL DO LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS. WE'LL DISCUSS SERVICE UNITS IMPACT FEES FOR THE CAPITAL PLAN RELATED TO IMPACT FEES, SERVICE AREA COMPARISONS. AND THEN WE WILL DISCUSS THE ACTUAL IMPACT FEE CALCULATION AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT THE IMPACT FEES FOR HUNTER AND COLE ARE INCLUDED IN THE APPENDICES, AND THEY DO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM. MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. 
          SO IN CALCULATING THE IMPACT FEES, WE START WITH LOOKING AT OUR GROSS, OUR GROWTH, OUR PHASED GROWTH, AND WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR TEAM AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND UTILIZING THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE MAP. AND OBVIOUSLY WHAT THEY'RE SEEING, BOOTS ON THE GROUND, WHAT'S COMING IN, WHERE THEY'RE SEEING THE GROWTH, WHAT WE WHAT DEVELOPMENTS, AND THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT HELPS INFORM THAT THOSE THOSE PROJECTIONS. AND YOU'VE ALL SEEN THIS, THIS GRAPH BEFORE. THIS COMES OUT OF THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN THAT WE ADOPTED. I BELIEVE IT IS IN 2023, 2024 PROJECTS THAT 8.1% OF POPULAR GROWTH OVER THE NEXT 3 TO 5 YEARS AND ACTUALLY IN 2028, KIND OF LEVELING OFF TO 3.4%. AND OVER THE OUT YEARS. NOW, WHEN WE DO THESE PLANS, WE ACTUALLY LOOK OUT TO A 25 YEAR HORIZON, AND THEN WE DIAL IT BACK AND WE DIAL IT BACK. WE TRY TO GET IT INTO AA5 TO A TEN YEAR WINDOW. THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A HIGHER LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE IN THE RESULTS OF THOSE THOSE PROJECTIONS AND THE WAY THAT THE, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE IS WRITTEN. AND THAT'S CHAPTER 395, WHICH REQUIRES THAT WE DO THE IMPACT FEES. WE LOOK AT A TEN YEAR WINDOW NOW, BUT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS 
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TO GO IN AND ACTUALLY REQUIREMENT IN THE NEW LEGISLATION, AFTER THREE YEARS TO REASSESS THOSE FEES. SO THESE AREN'T SET IN STONE. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AND THAT'S KIND OF THAT'S HOW WE WORK ON ON UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE GROWTH IS GOING TO BE. AND THEN FROM WHAT THE GROWTH IS, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CAPACITY IS. AND SO HOW DO WE DETERMINE CAPACITY? WELL, THE AMERICAN WATER WORKS ASSOCIATION, THEY GIVE GUIDANCE. AND SO TYPICAL 5/8 METER IS WHAT'S REQUIRED TO SUPPORT THE WATER NEEDS OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS. AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IS DEFINED AS A THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH HOME. AND FOR REFERENCE, IN THE CITY OF DENTON. SO WE HAVE 81% OF THE METERS OUT IN THE FIELD ARE ACTUALLY 5/8 METERS. 
          AND SO WE LOOKED AT OVER LIKE THE LAST, LAST TWO YEARS OF THE METERS ISSUED OR VERSUS TYPE. 
          THE LION'S SHARE OF THOSE ARE FIVE EIGHT METERS AND NOT THREE QUARTER INCH. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND SO WHEN WE WHEN WE DECIDE WHAT OUR WHAT OUR SERVICE UNIT IS, WE BASE IT ON THE LION'S SHARE OF THE MOST POPULAR METER THAT'S BEING ISSUED, WHICH IS THAT 5/8 METER. SO HOW DOES A 5/8 METER RELATE TO A ACTUAL BIG BOX STORE OR A LARGER MEETING? NOW REMEMBER WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE DO THE IMPACT FEE IS WE'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING AT POPULATION. WE'RE LOOKING AT DEMAND. WE'RE LOOKING AT VOLUME. HOW MUCH WATER NEEDS TO BE MOVED THROUGH THE SYSTEM TO SUPPORT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE GROWTH, AND THEN HOW MUCH WASTEWATER NEEDS TO BE MOVED THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND BE TREATED AND RETURNED TO THE ENVIRONMENT RESPONSIBLY. SO WITH REGARDS TO BIG BOX STORES, SO THEY TYPICALLY WOULD HAVE LIKE A TWO INCH METER, WELL THAT EQUALS EIGHT 5/8 METERS. SO THE VOLUME OF THAT TWO INCH METER IS EQUAL TO THE VOLUME OF EIGHT 5/8 METERS. OKAY. SO THAT'S JUST THE COMPARISON. SO WHEN WE DO THE WHEN WE DO THE IMPACT FEE AFTER WE UNDERSTAND OKAY WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GROWING, WE'RE UNDERSTANDING KIND OF THE DENSITY OF THAT GROWTH AND THE TYPE OF THAT GROWTH. THEN WE IDENTIFY WHAT OUR SERVICE UNIT IS. WE START MOVING INTO THE CAPITAL PLANNING PIECE OF IT. WE SAY, OKAY, WHAT KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE. WE KNOW WHAT WE GOT. WE KNOW WHAT CAPACITY WE HAVE. NOW. WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT WE MIGHT NEED WITH REGARDS TO CAPACITY. SO THIS IS ON THE WATER SIDE. AND SO THE BLUE LINES REPRESENT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE 2018 IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT STILL HAS CAPACITY LEFT IN IT. THE RED LINES IS ALL THE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S REQUIRED TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH IDENTIFIED THROUGH OUR PLANNING PROCESS. AND IF YOU LOOK ALSO, IF YOU LOOK HERE, THOSE DASHED LINES, IF YOU CAN SEE THEM DOWN IN THIS AREA, THOSE DASHED LINES ARE ALL REPRESENTED BY THE HUNTER COAL DEVELOPMENT. AND THEY'RE NOT INCLUDED IN THE IMPACT FEE STUDY BECAUSE THROUGH THE MMD, THEY'RE PAYING FOR THOSE TO BE DELIVERED. SO SIMILARLY TO THE WATER, WE DO THE SAME THING WITH WASTEWATER. WE LOOK AT IT AND WE SAY, OKAY, THIS IS THE THIS IS THE DEMAND. THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GROWING. THIS IS WHAT THE SERVICE UNIT IS. THIS ISWE NEEDE GREEN LINES ON THIS MAP REPRESENT INFRASTRUCTURE FROM THE 2018. SO I KNOW IT'S REALLY KIND OF HARD TO SEE. WE TRIED TO WE TRIED TO WE REALLY TRIED TO LIKE DARKEN THE CONTRAST OF THE COLORS. I KNOW IT'S KYLE. IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT, MAN. NO. DANG IT. THE GREEN LINES ON THE MAP REPRESENT INFRASTRUCTURE FROM THE 2018 OR 19 IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT STILL HAS CAPACITY LEFT IN IT. AND THE RED LINES, A LOT OF RED LINES. THAT'S A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT. THE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE PROJECTED THROUGH OUR ANALYSIS. SO LET ME GET LET ME GET CAUGHT UP IN MY NOTES RIGHT HERE. SO THEN WE LOOK AT OUR SERVICE OUR SERVICE AREA COMPARISON. SO I WANT TO REMIND YOU BACK IN IN 2018, 2019 WHEN WE ADOPT THE LAST VERSION OF OUR IMPACT FEE STUDY, THE LEADERSHIP BROKE UP THE WATER IMPACT FEE INTO THREE DISTINCT SERVICE AREAS. NOW THERE'S A NUANCE WITH WITH IMPACT FEES. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT IMPACT FEE. THE REVENUES GENERATED FROM AN IMPACT FEE CAN ONLY BE USED ONE FOR TWO THINGS. 
          I CAN ONLY USE IT TO CASH FUND AN IMPACT FEE RELATED PROJECT, OR COVER THE DEBT SERVICES ON IMPACT FEE RELATED PROJECTS. THAT'S THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT I CAN I CAN USE. WE THE ORGANIZATION CAN USE THOSE REVENUES FOR, AND THOSE PROJECTS HAVE TO BE LISTED WITHIN OUR IMPACT FEE STUDY. SO IF IT'S A DIFFERENT PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT GOT LEFT OFF, I CAN'T CHARGE AN IMPACT FEE FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. AND I CAN'T I CAN'T USE THAT MONEY ON THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MAKE SENSE. OKAY. BASICALLY ALL CAPACITY. SO THIS IF YOU IF YOU 
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NOTICE, YOU HAVE THAT ONE AREA WHICH IS THE HEART OF THE CITY. SO MORE DEVELOPED ONE B WE HAVE LESS INFRASTRUCTURE OUT IN THAT AREA. AND THAT ONE B IF YOU LOOK DOWN THE BOTTOM CORNER, THAT'S THAT'S ACTUALLY YOUR ROPES AND RANCH, WHICH IS RIGHT DOWN OVER HERE IS THAT AREA. AND SO WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE. BUT ALL THE RED IS NEW INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIRED TO SUPPORT THE PROJECTED GROWTH. WHEN WE DID THE IMPACT FEE LAST, WE HAD A SINGLE SERVICE AREA, WHICH MADE SENSE. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY. SO ALL OF OUR WASTEWATER FLOWS DOWN TO ONE POINT AND THAT'S PECAN CREEK. PECAN CREEK IS CURRENTLY RATED AT 21 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. AND THERE'S THIS LITTLE REQUIREMENT THAT T-C-E-Q HAS, WHICH IS THE, YOU KNOW, TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY THAT SAYS THAT WHEN A PLANT REACHES 75% OF ITS RATED CAPACITY, YOU MUST ENTER INTO DESIGN. AND WHEN YOU HIT 90% OF ITS RATED CAPACITY, YOU MUST BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. WE ARE IN DESIGN, AND WE HAVE HIT THAT 75% MARK MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. HOWEVER, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WITH PECAN CREEK, WE ARE VERY LIMITED TO THE AMOUNT OF WASTEWATER WE CAN DISCHARGE INTO THE CREEK. THAT 30 MILLION GALLONS A DAY IS ALL WE ARE PERMITTED TO DISCHARGE. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS T-C-E-Q COMES IN AND THEY LOOK AND THEY SAY, HEY, BASED OFF OF THE STREAM AND THE STREAM CONDITION, THEY DO AN ASSESSMENT. THEY SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE WILL PERMIT YOU TO DISCHARGE THIS AMOUNT AND NOT MORE. OKAY. 
          SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU LOOK AT ALL THAT PLANNING AND ALL THAT GROWTH AND ALL THAT NEEDED FOR CAPACITY. THIS PLANT WILL NOT SUPPORT GROWTH INTO THE FUTURE, RIGHT? BY 2030, WE ANTICIPATE THE PLANT WILL BE OUT OF CAPACITY. SO HOW DO WE HOW DO WE RESOLVE THAT? WE LOOK AND WE SAY, HOW DO WE DIVERSIFY OR LEVERAGE THE TOPOGRAPHY WITHIN OUR SERVICE AREA AND ALIGN THAT WITH THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE SEEING? RIGHT. SO AS YOU CAN SEE UP IN THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SYSTEM, WHICH IS CLEAR CREEK, ALL OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS RED AND THERE'S A WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY UP THERE. BUT THAT WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A PERMIT WITH T-C-E-Q TO DISCHARGE 0.95 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. BUT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THAT TO A 10 MILLION GALLON A DAY DISCHARGE PERMIT. THAT WORK IS ALREADY UNDERWAY. I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS THIS LINE RIGHT HERE, THIS IS WHAT WE CALL THE INTERCEPTOR SEWER. WE ALREADY OWN THE EASEMENTS FOR, I WOULD SAY ABOUT 60%, BETWEEN 40 AND 60% OF THAT LINE. AND WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING OR ACTUALLY DO AN ALIGNMENT STUDY IDENTIFYING THE ALIGNMENT AND ACQUIRING THE ADDITIONAL EASEMENT FOR THE REST OF THAT INTERCEPTOR SEWER. SO THE RECOMMENDATION HERE IS WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, WE'RE SAYING WE CAN'T SUPPORT THE GROWTH WITH THE ONE PLANT. WE NEED TO DIVERSIFY. WE NEED TO LOOK IN THE AREAS OF GROWTH. AND IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. AND REMEMBER WHAT I SAID ABOUT THOSE IMPACT FEES. I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT YOU CAN ONLY SPEND AN IMPACT FEE ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S IDENTIFIED IN YOUR CAPITAL PLAN OR YOUR IMPACT FEE PLAN, AND IT HAS TO BE WITHIN THE SERVICE AREA THAT YOU COLLECT THAT FEE. SO WHEN GROWTH HAPPENS IN THIS REGION, UP HERE, UP IN THE NORTH, I COLLECT AN IMPACT FEE UPON THE ISSUANCE OF THE BUILDING PERMIT, AND NOT BEFORE THAT. THOSE MONIES CAN BE UTILIZED TO EITHER CASH FUND THE PROJECT OR PAY THE DEBT SERVICES ON A PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN BUILDING IN ANTICIPATION OF THE GROWTH. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY, SO BACK TO THE CALCULATION. ARE WE HAVING FUN YET? WE'RE GETTING TO NUMBERS, DOCTOR BECK. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, THOSE CAPITAL PLANS, WE LOOK AT ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BUILD, BOTH ON THE WATER AND THE WASTEWATER SIDE. THEN WE SAY IN A TEN YEAR WINDOW, IT'S IMPORTANT IN A TEN YEAR WINDOW, DON'T FORGET, WITHIN THREE YEARS WE GET TO GO BACK AND REASSESS THE NUMBERS AND TURN THE KNOBS IF WE NEED TO. IF OUR IF OUR ASSUMPTIONS WERE OFF A LITTLE BIT, IF OUR CALCULATIONS WERE OFF, WE GET WE CAN WE GET TO COURSE CORRECT. 
          WE'RE NOT LOCKED IN FOR TEN YEARS. SO ON THE WATER SIDE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NEEDED INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH, THE CAPACITY. RIGHT. THIS IS NOT PEOPLE. THIS IS THE VOLUME OF WATER, RIGHT? THE PIPES, THE PUMPS. THE TREATMENT COST IS GOING TO COST US $582 MILLION OVER THAT TEN YEAR PERIOD OF TIME. AND WE EXPECT, BASED OFF OF ALL THE PROJECTIONS, THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TEAM, AND WE'RE MONITORING THE GROWTH AND ALL THE PERMITS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH DURING THE SAME PERIOD 
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OF TIME. WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE 52,774 CONNECTIONS TO THAT SYSTEM. 
          THOSE THOSE UNITS, THOSE 5/8 UNITS. THAT GIVES US THE MATH. YOU DIVIDE THE TOP NUMBER, BOTTOM NUMBER, TOP NUMBER. YOU COME UP WITH THE MAXIMUM RECOVERABLE. THAT IMPACT FEE ON THE WATER SIDE, IF WE HAD ONE SINGLE SERVICE AREA, IF YOU JUST HAD ONE AREA, REMEMBER WE'RE GOING TO BREAK THAT UP BASED OFF OF THE AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S IN THE GIVEN AREA WOULD BE 11,000. SAME CALCULATION, SAME FORMULA. I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR IT. ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE THAT COMES UP WITH THE 13,000. RIGHT. WE GOOD NOW. GOOD SO FAR OKAY. SO MAXIMUM RECOVERABLE IMPACT FEE. IF WE LOOK AT WHAT OUR IMPACT FEES WERE IN 2018. YOU CAN SEE IN THE SERVICE AREA 11A, ONE B AND TWO, YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS. I'M NOT GOING TO READ THEM, BUT BASED OFF OF THAT CALCULATION. AND THIS IS DRIVEN BY THE AVAILABLE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WE LOOK HOW MUCH MORE INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY IS NEEDED WITHIN THOSE SERVICE AREAS TO DELIVER OR TO SUPPORT THE ADDITIONAL GROWTH. WE COME UP WITH THESE CALCULATIONS. SAME THING OVER ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE OKAY. LET ME LET ME I NEED TO CATCH UP WITH MY NOTES HERE BECAUSE I'M KIND OF FLYING THROUGH THIS. ALL RIGHT. HOWEVER WE DID THIS IS OUR THIS IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. THAT NUMBER I SHOWED YOU HERE IS 100% RECOVERABLE. BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE AND YOU'LL SEE IN THE SUMMARY SLIDE, WE DON'T WE DON'T MAKE THESE PLANS IN A VACUUM. RIGHT. 
          WE WE'VE MET WITH WE HELD A DEVELOPER TOWN HALL BACK IN MARCH. WE MET WITH ANOTHER WE HAD ANOTHER MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY BACK IN OR AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MONTH. 
          WE CONTINUALLY WORK WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TEAM TO SEE WHAT DO WE HAVE COMING IN. WE'RE MONITORING THE MARKET. WE'RE ACTUALLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THOSE OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS. RIGHT. YOU'VE HEARD IN THE EARLIER PRESENTATION ABOUT TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND WIFIA? WELL, THOSE PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN OUR PROJECTIONS. AND WE ALSO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT WE ARE. SEE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO BACK EVERY THREE YEARS OR START EVERY REQUIREMENT EVERY THREE YEARS, TO START EVERY THREE YEARS TO REASSESS, SO WE CAN TURN THOSE KNOBS. SO WE FELT COMFORTABLE SAYING, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE WE'RE COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING A 75% OF THAT MAXIMUM RECOVERABLE RATE, WHICH EQUATES TO THESE NUMBERS RIGHT HERE. THAT'S OUR THAT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT. AND WE BELIEVE THAT THIS BALANCED APPROACH WILL ENSURE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT DOES PAY FOR DEVELOPMENT. DENTON'S FEES REMAIN COMPETITIVE WITH OUR OUR, OUR, I WOULD SAY COMPARISON CITIES AND THAT FUTURE RATE PAYERS BEAR THE COST OF THE ADDITIONAL. SO THIS REMEMBER THIS IS ALL BEING BUILT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TOMORROW. 
          RIGHT. AND SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL, THEY'LL THEY HELP PAY FOR THAT. SO HOW DO WE HOW DO WE MEASURE UP. AND SO WE LOOKED AND YOU SAW SOME SLIDES FROM, FROM FINANCE THAT HAD SOME COMPARABLE, COMPARABLE CITIES. WELL THOSE CITIES THAT WAS BASED OFF OF BASE. OUR RETAIL RATE WE'RE LOOKING AT IS IMPACT FEES. RIGHT. SO AGAIN VOLUME WHAT CITIES ARE LOCATED OUTSIDE MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREAS THAT ARE EXPERIENCING ENORMOUS GROWTH. WHAT CITIES NEED TO BUILD A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE WE NEED TO BUILD TO MAINTAIN OUR ABILITY TO SERVE THAT FUTURE GROWTH. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH OUR COMPARABLE CITIES, WHICH IS NEW BRAUNFELS, FRISCO AND GEORGETOWN. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS GRAPH AT 100% COST RECOVERY, IF WE WERE TO GO WITH 100% COST RECOVERY, WE'RE WE'RE COMPETITIVE. AND THIS IS AN AVERAGE, THIS ISN'T BASED OFF OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS. AND WE CAN DRILL DOWN INTO THAT IF WE NEED TO. THIS IS ON AVERAGE WE ARE COMPETITIVE WITH NEW BROWNSVILLE. BUT WHEN WE DO THE I WOULD SAY THE RECOMMENDED IMPACT FEE RATE OF THE 75% COST RECOVERY ON AVERAGE, WE'RE COMPETITIVE WITH GEORGETOWN. 
          WE'RE VERY COMPETITIVE WITH FRISCO AND NEW BROWNSVILLE. SO AND THEN THERE'S THIS NICE LITTLE NOTE OVER HERE. FRISCO CHARGES FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, $12,125 PER SERVICE UNIT, AND THEIR AVERAGE BILL IS ROUGHLY 125, 125% GREATER THAN OURS. JUST A LITTLE CAVEAT THERE. JUST SAYING. AND ALL RIGHT, SO IN SUMMARY, WE'RE ALMOST DONE. NOBODY OFFERED ME 
          WATER. I'M I'M JUST JOKING. I'M JUST YEAH. >> I GOT I GOT A LOT OF WATER. I 
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          GOT A LOT OF WATER. >> SO IN SUMMARY WATER UTILITIES, WE'VE MET WITH COUNCIL INDIVIDUAL JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE YOU KNOW, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SAID HOW WHAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO DO, HOW WE WERE GOING ABOUT DOING OUR CALCULATIONS. AND THEN ON IN FEBRUARY OF 2025, WE PRESENTED THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. IN MARCH OF 25, WE HOSTED A DEVELOPER TOWN HALL OVER AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. IN JUNE OF 2025, WE MET WITH THE CIAC THAT'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AGAIN. THEY VOTED SIX ZERO FOR 100% COST RECOVERY. THEN ON JULY 1ST, WE MET WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND THAT SAID THAT THAT MADE US TAKE A STEP BACK AND REALLY LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND REALLY EVALUATE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT FUNDING MECHANISMS THAT WE HAVE, ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES AND OUR RATE OF RECOVERY. AND WE SAID, OKAY, WE FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING OFF OF THAT 100% JUST A BIT. WE FEEL WE CAN COVER OUR DEBT SERVICES, WE FEEL WE CAN BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND WE FEEL IT'S THE MOST BALANCED APPROACH. AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO OVER THE NEXT, OUR NEXT STEPS. SO AGAIN NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING COMPLETE. WE HAD ONE. WE HAD ONE ISSUANCE I BELIEVE. AND WE'RE HERE TODAY DOING OUR IMPACT FEE STUDY ON THE 15TH. NEXT TIME WE'LL BE IN FRONT OF YOU WOULD BE OR WILL BE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ON THE FIFTH FOLLOWED BY THE ORDINANCE MEETING. AND THEN WE WOULD BE UPDATING PUB AND THE CAC. AND WITH THAT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS 
          AS BEST I CAN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> SORRY, I NEED TO STOP SHARING 
          THIS. >> YOU GOT IT. >> OH, I. 
          >> DID OKAY. >> I SAW A HAND COME UP. I WAS LIKE, OH. 
          >> MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM. >> AND THEN REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. 
          >> THANK YOU. STEVEN. WHAT WAS STAFF'S ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION PRIOR TO KAYAK? WHAT AMOUNT? 
          >> 100% COST RECOVERY. >> SO YOU GUYS WERE RECOMMENDING 100%? 
          >> YES, MA'AM. >> WE RECOMMENDED. >> 100% TO THE KAYAK AFTER MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THE SECOND TIME, WE WENT BACK AND REEVALUATED EVERYTHING AND SAID, LET'S TAKE AS BALANCED OF APPROACH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY, ANY WIGGLE ROOM. AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THE 75% ADOPTION AS BEING AS LEAN AS WE 
          CAN GET IT AND STILL MEET OUR SCHEDULES. >> OKAY, SO Y'ALL HADN'T RECOMMENDED A LOWER AMOUNT IN KAYAK WENT HIGHER. THEY JUST WENT WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION 
          INITIALLY. IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY. CAN YOU SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE WHAT YOU HEARD IN THE DEVELOPER TOWN HALL? SOME JUST GENERAL CONCERNS. 
          >> OR THOUGHTS? >> YES, I, WE HEARD WE HEARD A LOT OF DIFFERENT CONCERNS. THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ACTUAL COST OF THE IMPACT FEES IMPEDING DEVELOPMENT IN CERTAIN AREAS. 
          FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, WE HEARD CONCERNS FROM THEM WITH REGARDS TO OUR SERVICE UNIT, WHETHER OR NOT THE FIVE EIGHTS WAS APPROPRIATE, AND THAT SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS UTILIZED A THREE QUARTER, AND THEY FELT THAT IT MIGHT HAVE KIND OF SKEWED THE RESULTS. BUT WE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WENT BACK AND WE DOUBLE CHECKED TO SEE THAT. WHAT IS WHAT'S THE MOST POPULAR OR THE MOST COMMON METER THAT WE INSTALL. AND IT'S FIVE EIGHTS AND IT GOES INTO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES. AND SO WE FELT VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. WE DID HEAR. JUST MORE ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE STIFLING GROWTH A BIT BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THE IMPACT FEES. AND I WILL TELL YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM, THAT WE ARE, AS YOU SAW IN THAT SLIDE WITH REGARDS TO THE CONCRETE, WE ARE DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO OUR CAPACITY, AND WE HAVE THE NEED TO MAINTAIN OUR CADENCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF ADDITIONAL CAPACITY. IF WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE RATE AT WHICH WE ARE GROWING. SO A DEVIATION FROM WHAT WE FEEL IS A VERY REASONABLE RECOMMENDATION COULD 
          HAVE A CASCADING IMPACT ON THAT. >> THANK YOU. AND THEN YOU'VE ALREADY ANSWERED THIS PARTIALLY. 
          AND I DID GET A RESPONSE TO THIS IN WRITTEN FORMAT. THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING TO THAT IN SHORT NOTICE. BUT COULD YOU VERBALLY SUMMARIZE ANYTHING YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY SAID ABOUT STAFF'S 
          RATIONALE FOR RECOMMENDING THE 75%? >> YES. SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE WORLD CHANGES VERY AGGRESSIVELY WHEN WE LAUNCH THIS IMPACT FEE STUDY. WE DIDN'T HAVE TEXAS 
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WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD FUNDING. WE HADN'T SECURED THAT YET. WE HADN'T GOTTEN OUR APPLICATION INTO THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND INNOVATION FUNDING ACT. AND THOSE ARE TWO VARIABLES THAT REALLY PROVIDE SOME BANDWIDTH FOR US TO SPREAD THINGS OUT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY A LINE OF CREDIT, RIGHT, THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS, WE SUBMIT ALL OF OUR PROJECTS, WE SUBMIT EVERYTHING TO THEM. AND THEY SAY AND WE SAY WE NEED THE APPLICATIONS FOR $770 MILLION. 
          AND, MAYOR, REMEMBER, THERE'S THAT. THAT'S THE ONE THAT HAS THAT $0.01 ASSOCIATED WITH IT IN THE APP. IT'S A LINE OF CREDIT. WE DON'T HAVE TO DRAW ON IT. RIGHT. BUT IT'S THERE IF WE NEED IT TO BUILD THESE PROJECTS. AND SO WE LOOKED AT THAT. WE LISTENED TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. WE THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE DON'T WANT TO STIFLE GROWTH, BUT WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN GENERATIONAL EQUITY AND WE MAINTAIN AND WE AND WE BUILD AT THE RATE THAT WE NEED THAT WE'RE PROJECTING. WE NEED TO BUILD THAT. SO ALL THOSE VARIABLES CAME INTO PLAY, AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE ECONOMIC VALUE OF GROWTH. RIGHT. WE KNOW THAT WHEN WE HAVE HOMES, WE HAVE PEOPLE, WE HAVE BUSINESSES THAT THAT LENDS ITSELF TO THE ECONOMIC VITALITY OF OUR COMMUNITY. HOWEVER, WE CAN'T HAVE THOSE THINGS IF OUR DEPARTMENT OR OUR ORGANIZATION CAN'T DELIVER RELIABLE WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICES. SO IT WAS THOSE THINGS THAT WE REALLY WE REALLY GRAPPLED WITH. WE WENT BACK AND FORTH, WE LOOKED AT RECOVERY RATES. WE AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT CAN WE ANTICIPATE GETTING IN THE THREE YEAR, FIVE YEAR, TEN YEAR WINDOW BASED OFF OF THE PROJECTIONS AND ALL THAT, ALL THAT DATA COALESCED INTO? OKAY, WE FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING FORWARD WITH THAT 75% RECOMMENDATION. 
          >> AND JUST ONE LAST QUESTION. I ALSO SUBMITTED THIS ONE IN WRITING. BUT IF WE GO WITH THE 75%, WHO PAYS THE REMAINING 25%? AND WILL THIS IMPACT EXISTING RATEPAYERS IF WE GO WITH 75 
          VERSUS 100? >> YEAH. WE DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL IMPACT EXISTING RATEPAYERS. 
          THE CAPACITY THAT WILL BE BUILT WILL BE BUILT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING. AND SO THEREFORE WE'LL HAVE THOSE NEW REVENUES FROM THE NEW SALES OF WATER AND THE COST OF TREATING 
          THE WASTE. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. 
          >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU. SO A COUPLE OF POINTS TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD. I THINK I DID, BUT IF WE DON'T BECAUSE WE'RE PARSING WATER AND WASTEWATER INTO THE DIFFERENT BASINS, IF WE DON'T BUILD THE CAPACITY INTO THOSE REGIONS AND WE AND BECAUSE WE HAVE TO APPLY INFRASTRUCTURE INTO THOSE REGIONS, THEN WHAT HAPPENS IF DEVELOPMENT COMES IN? AND WE DIDN'T PUT IN HICKORY CREEK AND CLEAR CREEK? 
          >> YEAH, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN. AND SOME OF IT'S SPECULATIVE. RIGHT. BUT IF WE DON'T WE HAVE WE HAVE THAT CERTIFICATE OF CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY. AND WITHIN THAT WITHIN THOSE AREAS WE'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICES. SHOULD WE BE UNABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES, THEN A DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PETITION, TO SEEK, TO DECERTIFY, TO GET OUT OF THAT CCN AND MAYBE POTENTIALLY CREATE A MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT OR ANOTHER VEHICLE AND FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, DO THEIR OWN WATER AND WASTEWATER, WHERE WE WOULD HAVE NO SAY IN HOW THEY WERE BEING CONSTRUCTED OR NO TO LITTLE SAY, 
          DOES THAT DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> IT DOES. SO. SO WHAT WHAT WHAT DOES THAT DO THOUGH TO A REGIONAL WATER APPROACH WHEN YOU HAVE THESE THESE PUNCTATE. 
          >> DIFFERENT IT DISMANTLES IT. IT COMPLETELY DISMANTLES IT. YOU HAVE NO NO COHESION IN THE WAY THAT THE SYSTEMS ARE BEING BUIL, DESIGNED, MAINTAINED OR OPERATED. 
          >> OKAY. AND THEN I THINK YOU SAID THIS TO MAYOR PRO TEM, BUT I'M GOING TO CONFIRM ESSENTIALLY THE 25% IS BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE TEXAS WATER BOARD AND THE WIFIA, YOU DETERMINED THAT THERE WOULD YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE SOME COST SAVINGS AND THAT YOU'RE OSTENSIBLY ALREADY PASSING THOSE COST SAVINGS ALONG TO ACROSS YOUR DIFFERENT CIP PROJECTS. 
          >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND SO YOU'RE YOU'RE ALREADY INCORPORATING THOSE NOT IN YEAR 
          THREE, BUT IN YEAR ZERO. >> THAT'S CORRECT OKAY. >> AND THEN ANOTHER THING THAT IN SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS. THAT I'VE HAD WITH WITH DEVELOPERS WHO EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERNS TO ME, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IF THEY DON'T. IF YOU HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS AND THEY 
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FEEL THEY CAN PUT THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS IN FOR CHEAPER. YES, SIR. WHAT WHAT'S 
          THE MECHANISM? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IMPACT FEE CREDITS. >> WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO. SO IF THERE'S A PROJECT YOU SAW THAT BIG. WELL WE TOOK THE LIST OFF, BUT YOU SAW THE LINES ON THE MAP FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE PROJECTS SO THAT THAT CAPITAL PLAN. SO IF A DEVELOPER CAME TO ME AND SAID, LISTEN, I REALLY NEED TO GET THIS PIECE OF PIPE IN THE GROUND BEFORE YOU'RE READY TO PUT IT IN THE GROUND, AND I WANT TO PAY FOR IT. WE CAN THEN CALCULATE, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE NUMBERS, WE CAN CALCULATE WHAT THE COST OF THAT IS, AND WE CAN PROVIDE THEM CREDIT SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THAT HOLE. SO SAY I THINK IT WAS UP IN CLEAR CREEK. WE HAD I THINK IT WAS LIKE 17,000 PER SERVICE UNIT. WE CAN NOW DISCOUNT THAT BASED OFF OF WHAT THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PUT IN THEMSELVES. AND QUITE TRUTHFULLY, WE WOULD PREFER IT IF THEY WORKED IN, IN CONCERT WITH US TO DELIVER THIS INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE THEY CAN WHEN THEY CAN BUILD IT FASTER THAN WE CAN, AND THEY CAN DO IT 
          MORE AFFORDABLY THAN WE CAN. >> SO TO THAT LAST POINT, IF THEY CAN BUILD IT AT, LET'S SAY IT WAS 17,000 IN CLEAR CREEK AND THEY CAN BUILD IT AT 15,000 PER SFE, THEN THEY JUST POCKET THE 2000. IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, BECAUSE WE GIVE THEM THE FULL 17IN CREDIT. 
          >> I DON'T WANT TO. I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK. I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK EXACTLY HOW THE IMPACT FEE CREDIT WORKS, BECAUSE THERE'S A FORMULA. BUT ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE RIGHT, 
          THERE'S GOING TO BE A AMOUNT. OF MONEY THAT THEY'RE GOING. >> TO ADDITIONAL COST SAVINGS TO 
          THE DEVELOPER. >> RIGHT. THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO SAY THIS WAS GOING TO COST US $20 MILLION TO PUT IN. THEY CAME IN, THEY PUT IT IN FOR $5 MILLION. RIGHT. THE IMPACT FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT $20 MILLION PROJECT AND THEIR ACTUAL CAPACITY, WE'RE ABLE TO MATHEMATICALLY SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THAT 17,000 PER SERVICE UNIT BY THIS MUCH BECAUSE YOU BUILT THIS CAPACITY, WE'LL STILL PAY FOR THE DELTA, RIGHT? SO SAY IF THEY'RE BUILDING IT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD ENOUGH FOR THEIR THEIR PROJECT. RIGHT. THE AGAIN IT'S ALL ABOUT CAPACITY. THIS IS NOT ABOUT POPULATION. THIS IS ABOUT VOLUME. RIGHT. THE VOLUME OF WATER WE CAN MOVE THE VOLUME OF WASTEWATER WE CAN MOVE. SO IF THEY PUT A PIPE IN THAT HAS A IS THIS BIG AND THEY ONLY NEED A REALLY SMALL PART OF IT AND THEY WANT TO PUT IT, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR WHAT THEY PUT IN, BECAUSE WE GET THE WHOLE THING AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR 
          THE DIFFERENCE OF DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. OKAY. >> AND MY LAST QUESTION IS ALSO 
          ON. >> THE OTHER DEVELOPERS. >> WILL PAY FOR THE DELTA. 
          >> FOR THE DELTA. >> YES, SIR. >> YES, SIR. MY LAST QUESTION IS SIMILARLY ON ON ON IMPACT FEE CREDITS. ARE ARE THOSE RESTRICTED TO WATER AND WASTEWATER. ARE THEY FUNGIBLE? IF THE DEVELOPER DOES SOMETHING ELSE, CAN THEY GET WATER IMPACT FEE CREDITS. AND THEN YOU BUILD THOSE TO THE DEPARTMENT. LET'S SAY IT WAS STREETS OR OR DRAINAGE OR SOMETHING ELSE. CAN THEY DO EXTRA AND GET WATER IMPACT FEE CREDITS AND THEN YOUR BUDGET IS MADE WHOLE OUT OF THE OTHER PERSON'S BUDGET KIND OF THING. 
          >> CURRENTLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THE LEGISLATION ALLOWS FOR THOSE THOSE NUANCES, BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THAT THIS BODY, THERE ARE PROVISIONS WITHIN THE STATE REGULATIONS THAT SAY, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO WE WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE, SAY, WORKFORCE HOUSING OR SOME PROJECT LIKE THAT. AND THEN THE BODY DEFINES WHAT THAT DEVELOPMENT TYPE IS. AND THEN YOU CODIFY THE REDUCTION THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO PROVIDE THEM FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE. SO YOU CAN SAY YOUR SERVICE IMPACT FEE AT 75% IS X. IF YOU BUILD THIS PROJECT AND WE THE WAY THAT WE'VE DEFINED IT, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A 10% DISCOUNT. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A 5% DISCOUNT, WHATEVER. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION THAT WE WOULD WE 
          WOULD HAVE WITH COUNCIL. >> SO WE COULD DETERMINE IF THERE WAS A PUBLIC GOOD AND WHAT THE VALUE WE THOUGHT THAT PUBLIC GOOD WAS. AND THEN YOU CREDIT THEM THE VARIOUS IMPACT FEES. 
          >> YOU COULD YOU CAN DEFINE THE PROJECT TYPE, BUT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH RESOLUTION TO DO IT. SO 
          THE BODY WOULD HAVE TO AGREE. YES, SIR. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          >> THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT SIX AND THEN FOUR. 
          >> THANK YOU COUNCIL PERSON. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE GOOD INFORMATION, ALL THE STUDIES AND COMPARABLES GIVING US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW. I WAS WONDERING, ONE THING THAT'S COME UP IS TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TIMELINE WHERE THIS WOULD BE EFFECTIVE. AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALSO SOME OF THE CONCERNS I'M HEARING. ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY PLATTED. 
          WE'VE ALREADY GOT, YOU KNOW, BUDGETED FOR THIS. THAT'S WHY WE PURCHASED IT. AND NOW WE'RE IN A KERFUFFLE. SO IF YOU WOULD TELL US, DOES IT APPLY AT DIFFERENT STAGES DEPENDING ON WHAT STAGE 
          PEOPLE ARE IN DEVELOPMENT? I'LL JUST LET YOU TALK. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR JESTER. 
          SO OUR. >> OUR PROPOSAL. >> WILL BE FOR IMPLEMENTATION IN JANUARY OF 2026. SO KICKING OFF THE NEW YEAR. SO THE IMPACT FEES WOULD GO INTO EFFECT BEGINNING AT THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. NOW THE DEVELOPMENT HAS TO PAY THEIR IMPACT FEE UPON HAVING A PERMIT 
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ISSUED SO THEY CAN COME IN AND THEY CAN PLAT THE LAND, THEY CAN GET ALL DO ALL THEIR WORK. BUT WHEN THEY GET READY TO GET THAT PERMIT ISSUED, THAT'S WHEN THEY HAVE TO PAY THEIR THEIR THAT'S WHEN THE DEVELOPER I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT IS WHEN THE IMPACT FEE IS ACTUALLY ASSESSED AND IT'S BASED OFF OF WHEN THAT IMPACT FEE WAS IMPLEMENTED. IS THAT CORRECT? 
          >> THE PLANNING COLLECTIVE. >> ASSESSED AT PLANNING AND COLLECTED AT PERMITTING. SO THEY KNOW WHEN THEY GO INTO PLANNING THEY KNOW WHAT THAT IS. AND SO IF A IF A PROJECT HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH THAT PLANNING PIECE OF IT AND THEY'VE BEEN ASSESSED THAT IMPACT FEE, UNDER THE IMPACT FEE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAYING IS THAT IMPACT FEE. IT'S WHEN THIS ONE GETS IMPLEMENTED AND THEY COME IN AND THE FEES WILL BE ASSESSED AND COLLECTED IN THAT MANNER. 
          DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> IT DOES. I'M TRYING TO TEASE IT OUT. 
          >> YES. >> AS FAR AS IF SOMEONE HAS ALREADY PURCHASED A PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU KNOW HOW FAR ALONG THEY'VE GOTTEN, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR PERMIT YET. DO OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF GETTING THROUGH WHAT MIGHT BE A RUSH TO GET THAT 
          PERMIT BEFORE THE NEW IMPACT FEES COME IN? AND. >> WELL. 
          >> YOU'RE ASKING A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES QUESTION, AND I AND I DO HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT THERE IS A DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IN THE ROOM KNOW THAT MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT 
          QUESTION. >> OKAY. THAT WOULD BE VERY EXCITING FOR ME. 
          >> YOU KNOW, IT'S ESSENTIALLY, WELL, I'LL ASK COUNCILOR GESTURE. 
          >> TO THE TIMELINE OF THE PROCESS. >> SO THAT THE PROCESS. 
          >> THE LEAD. >> TIME THAT. >> PEOPLE HAVE. 
          >> YOU KNOW, THE ASSESSMENT, PLANNING AND PERMITTING, IF I BOUGHT IT, WHAT'S MY LIABILITY 
          IF I'VE ALREADY ASSESSED IT? >> AND I'M SURE IT VARIES WILDLY DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT. 
          HOWEVER, WHAT I'M TRYING NOT TO DO IS PULL THE RUG OUT FROM UNDERNEATH PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING IN GOOD FAITH WITH US, THAT HAVE MADE ALL OF THESE PLANS AND THEN SUDDENLY CAN'T COMPLETE EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE MADE THESE INVESTMENTS. THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. IF 
          YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL. >> SCOTT MCDONALD DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. COUNCIL. YES, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS SEVERAL TIMES WITH VARIOUS FEE CHANGES. 
          AND YES, IT DOES VARY WILDLY, BUT WHAT WE DO IS, IS ULTIMATELY, IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO CHANGE THE IMPACT FEES, WE'LL HAVE WHATEVER THAT DATE IS. SO WE'LL WE'LL ADVANCE THE DATE FAR ENOUGH THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT ANYBODY IMMEDIATELY, THAT WE HAVE A WARNING SO THAT THOSE THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERING BECAUSE THEY GET INTO ENTITLEMENTS, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. BUT AT THE TIME THAT WE'RE RECEIVING APPLICATIONS IS REALLY WHEN WE'LL START KIND OF GETTING INTO THAT. BUT THAT WOULD BE IN THE ORDINANCE PHASE OF DOING THIS, NOT NECESSARILY TODAY, BUT WE, WE PLAN FOR THAT OR TRY TO LOOK AT THE DATES AND THE TIMING TO, TO STALL OR AT 
          LEAST HAVE THE ABILITY TO NOTIFY THE PUBLIC OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. >> SO THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE AS FAR AS WHEN THE IMPACT FEE WOULD BE ACTIVE FOR CERTAIN GROUPS. I'M JUST WONDERING IF SIX MONTHS IS ENOUGH AND THAT THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM TO AGAIN, TO BE. TRY TO BE FAIR TO 
          THE PARTNERS WE'RE ALREADY WORKING WITH. >> YEAH, WHEN WE'RE RECEIVING WHEN WE'RE RECEIVING APPLICATIONS. SO THERE WILL BE TRIGGERS THAT WILL PUT THAT WILL 
          BE CRAFTED INTO THE ORDINANCE TO PREVENT THAT FROM OCCURRING. >> OKAY. 
          >> ALL BASED ON ALL BASED ON REALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLANNING WHETHER SOMETHING IS 
          PLATTED, NOT PLATTED. AND ET CETERA. JUST KIND OF TIMING. >> AND SO ONCE SOMEONE STARTS THE PROCESS, CAN YOU GIVE ME JUST A BALLPARK OF WHAT'S TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL? AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE CONCERN I'VE HEARD. SO I'M JUST YOU'LL HAVE MORE 
          INFORMATION THAN I WILL. >> YOU KNOW, I THINK MAYBE TYPICALLY WOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THAT 6 TO 9 MONTHS. COULD BE A YEAR. JUST AGAIN DEPENDING ON WHAT ENTITLEMENTS, WHAT THEY'RE 
          DOING WITH THE LAND. IT CAN VARY. IT CAN VARY RADICALLY. >> OKAY. AND HAS THERE EVER BEEN A PROCESS WHERE SOME ARE GRANDFATHERED IN DEPENDING ON IF THEY'RE MID PROJECT, BUT DON'T HAVE THEIR PERMIT YET OR DON'T HAVE THEIR PERMIT FOR THE REST OF THE PROJECT? 
          >> I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD SAY ANYBODY THAT WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN AS MUCH AS THAT IF THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS, IF WE'VE DONE PLANNING, THAT'S REALLY WHAT THAT TRIGGER WOULD BE. AND THEN ALL OF THOSE THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WOULD BE 
          WITH THE PLAT DATE. >> OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION. I 
          APPRECIATE IT. >> AND JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I DID DOUBLE 
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CHECK. AND IT'S WHEN THEY COME INTO PLAT. SO THEY'RE ASSESSED AT THAT POINT. AND THEN AS I SAID COLLECTED. AND WHEN THEY DO THE PERMIT. AND SO IF THEY'RE ASSESSED AND IN THAT PROCESS. 
          RIGHT. SO THEY CAME IN, I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND I GOT MY PLAT AND I COME IN, I GET MY FEES ASSESSED. THEY'RE LOCKED IN. SO AS LONG AS THAT PLAT IS GOOD, THEN THAT'S THE IMPACT FEE THAT 
          THEY'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> YES. 
          >> AND THAT'S A. >> QUESTION THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE OKAY. 
          >> THANK YOU. HOPEFULLY I SAID THAT RIGHT. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. >> THANK YOU I ACTUALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS UNTIL I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THE CITY THAT THE PRIVATE DEVELOPER CAN CAN TO DO 
          THE INFRASTRUCTURE FASTER AND CHEAPER. WHY IS THAT. >> WELL NO MEANING NO DISRESPECT SIR. WE HAVE SOME PRETTY AGGRESSIVE PURCHASING REQUIREMENTS AND WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A BODY TO GET ANY OF OUR PROJECTS APPROVED. AND SO OUR, OUR ACQUISITION, OUR TO LAUNCH A PROJECT TAKES US A LITTLE BIT LONGER. AND THE PURCHASING THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH WITH THE BIDDING PROCESS AND STUFF, IT ACTUALLY COSTS US A LITTLE BIT MORE TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. 
          >> YES, SIR. NOT YOUR FAULT. >> I SAID NO, I MEANT NO, NO, NO DISRESPECT SIR. ALL DUE RESPECT. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. >> YES, SIR. 
          >> THANKS, STEVEN FOR THE PRESENTATION. WHAT'S A PACKAGE PLANT? 
          >> A PACKAGE PLANT? A PACKAGE PLANT IS ESSENTIALLY A TREATMENT FACILITY THAT IS BUILT ON, LIKE A SKID, OR IT'S PRE-DESIGNED AND THAT PLANT IS DELIVERED. ONE DISTINCTION WITH PACKAGE PLANTS IS WHEN YOU WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RATED CAPACITY, A LOT OF THINGS WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF IS IF A PLANT TREATS LESS THAN A MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A DAY, A WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE QUALITY OF THAT DISCHARGE ARE NOT AS HEAVILY REGULATED AS THE ONES THAT WE BUILD THE LARGER FACILITIES. AND THAT'S A T-C-E-Q THING. IT'S NOT I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT. WE CAN JUST SEE IN THE PERMITS THAT COME THROUGH THAT THE PHOSPHORUS AND THE NUTRIENTS AND THOSE LEVELS OF DISCHARGE ARE ARE NOT AS FAVORABLE TO OUR WATERSHED AS THE DISCHARGE FROM OUR TREATMENT FACILITIES BECAUSE OF THAT TYPE OF TREATMENT. AND WHEN A PLANT IS BELOW 1 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO CONFORM WITH WHAT WE CALL THE MS4 PERMIT, WHICH IS ALL OF OUR DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS. AND SO THEIR DISCHARGE ISN'T CONTROLLED LIKE OUR DISCHARGE IS CONTROLLED. SO THOSE ARE SOME DISTINCTIONS. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, FUNDAMENTALLY, A PACKAGE PLANT IS A PRE CONSTRUCTED OF MODULAR FACILITY 
          THAT IS DEPLOYED FOR SMALL TREATMENT USE. >> AND WE DON'T LIKE PACKAGE 
          PLANTS. >> RIGHT. >> WELL THE IMPACT THAT THEY HAVE ON OUR. WELL, BACK TO COUNCILOR BECK'S COMMENT ABOUT REGIONALIZATION. IF YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF PACKAGE PLANTS RUNNING AROUND THAT ARE OPERATED, OWNED AND OPERATED BY INDIVIDUAL USERS, YOUR OVERSIGHT IS LIMITED. THE DISCHARGE IS LIMITED. THIS BODY IS ACTUALLY GIVEN AUTHORIZATION OR DELEGATED AUTHORITY TO THE UTILITY OR TO THE CITY MANAGER TO PROTEST PACKAGE PLANTS WHEN THEY COME INTO OUR OUR OUR OUR OUR SERVICE AREA, THAT MAY HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR WATERSHED. SO NO, THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT FAVORABLE FOR US. 
          >> OR IS. CLEAR CREEK CURRENTLY PACKAGE PLANT LEVEL? >> NO, SIR. CLEAR CREEK IS ACTUALLY A IT'S BASICALLY A HARTLEY FIELD. THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          >> SO BUT YOU SAID CURRENTLY WE ARE CURRENTLY WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO LESS THAN A MILLION. 
          >> WE HAVE A PERMIT TO DISCHARGE. WE DON'T HAVE A FACILITY OKAY. BUT SO WE HAVE WE 
          HAVE. >> SO YOU'RE. >> GOING TO YOUR. 
          >> INTENTION IS TO INCREASE TO TEN BEFORE YOU EVEN DO CONSTRUCTION. 
          >> THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S PART THAT THAT THAT PROCESS IS ALREADY UNDERWAY WITH T-C-E-Q. 
          BEFORE WE EVEN START CONSTRUCTION, WE'LL HAVE A PERMIT IN HAND. 
          >> PECAN CREEK. >> YES, SIR. >> WE'RE PRETTY MUCH OUT OF 
          CAPACITY. >> YES, SIR. >> REMIND ME AGAIN. HOW MUCH ARE 
          WE? HOW MUCH CLEAN WATER ARE WE PUTTING OUT? >> WE'RE PUTTING OUT ON AVERAGE, BETWEEN 17, 17 AND 21 MILLION GALLONS A DAY IS WHAT'S DISCHARGED FROM THE PLANT. WE DO REUSE A PORTION OF THAT. SO WE HAVE SOME WHAT WE CALL INDUSTRIAL USERS. SO THE SPENCER POWER PLANT IS ONE OF OUR CUSTOMERS. SO WE'LL TAKE THE EFFLUENT FROM PECAN CREEK AND WE PUMP IT OVER TO SPENCER POWER PLANT. AND THEY REUSE THAT FOR INDUSTRIAL USE. WE ALSO HAVE WHAT WE CALL BED AND BANKS PERMIT THROUGH TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY TO 
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REUSE UP TO 12.5 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF THE EFFLUENT THAT IS DISCHARGED FROM PECAN CREEK. SO THAT ADDS TO OUR WATER SUPPLY PORTFOLIO. SO THAT JUST MEANS THAT WE CAN PULL 12.05 UP TO 12.05 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. ADDITIONAL WATER OUT OF THE LAKE AS OUR WATER. RIGHT. DOES THAT 
          ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? >> SO WE'RE LIMITED BY STATE LAW WITH HOW MUCH WATER WE CAN PUT 
          BACK INTO THE CONCRETE. >> RIGHT. >> BY THAT PERMIT? YES, SIR. 
          >> IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND THE CONCRETE AT ALL? >> WE ARE DOING A 5 MILLION GALLON A DAY EXPANSION, TAKING IT FROM 20. ACTUALLY, WE'RE DOING WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING FROM 21 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, UP TO 30 MILLION GALLONS. SO IS NINE A TOTAL OF 9 MILLION GALLONS A DAY IS THE CURRENT EXPANSION THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. BUT THAT CAPACITY BASED OFF OUR 
          PROJECTIONS WILL ONLY GET US TO 2030. >> IS THERE CAN WE DO ANYTHING 
          BEYOND THAT? >> FIVE NO, SIR. WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DISCHARGE. THE ONLY, ONLY WAY WE COULD DO IT IS TO DIVERT IT. WE CAN'T REUSE ANY OF IT. WE CAN'T DO. OUR REUSE SYSTEM ISN'T NEARLY AS BUILT OUT, AND WE'VE DONE A COST ANALYSIS ON BUILDING THAT REUSE SYSTEM OUT TO REUSE A PORTION OF THOSE FLOWS. BUT KEEP IN MIND, EVEN IF WE'RE WE'RE DOING LIKE RECLAIMING A PORTION OF THOSE FLOWS, WE STILL HAVE TO PAY. WE STILL HAVE TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE. 
          IF THE USERS DON'T USE THE WATER. SO TYPICALLY WHAT YOU'LL USE THE RECLAIMED WATER FOR IS FOR IRRIGATION. SO IF WE HAD A BUILT OUT IRRIGATION SYSTEM AND EVERYBODY'S WATERING IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER, THAT'S FINE AND DANDY WHEN IT'S HOT. BUT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU REACH A SEASON LIKE NOW, WHEN WE HAVE A VERY WET SEASON AND WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT IT BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T WATERING NEARLY AS MUCH, WE STILL WE NOW THEN WHAT WE DO IS WE CALL WE BUSTING OUR PERMIT, WE BUST OUR PERMIT NOW WE HAVE VIOLATIONS. AND THAT'S JUST NOT A PLACE ANY OF US WANT 
          TO BE IN. >> I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. 
          HICKORY CREEK. >> PARDON ME, SIR, HICKORY. >> CREEK, HICKORY CREEK. YES, 
          SIR. >> DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE ANY LIFT STATIONS OUT THERE THAT ARE 
          HELPING GET. >> THE DO. >> WE HAVE WE HAVE THE HICKORY CREEK LIFT STATION, WHICH IS BEHIND THE BIRCH PROPERTY. AND WE RECENTLY REHABILITATED THAT SITE. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE AT THE TIME OF THE DESIGN, THEY DIDN'T ADD ANY CAPACITY TO IT. 
          SO THEY AS WAS VERY TYPICAL IN THE ORGANIZATION THEY BUILT, THEY REPLACED THINGS IN KIND. 
          AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WE'RE SHIFTING TO WITH THIS LEADERSHIP, THIS COUNCIL AND THE UTILITY IS WHEN WE LOOK AT BUILDING A FACILITY, WE DON'T JUST SAY, WHAT DO WE HAVE? WE SAY, WHAT COULD WE POTENTIALLY NEED? AND I THINK THAT THE NORTHWEST BOOSTER PUMP STATION IS, IS A PRIME EXAMPLE I GOT HERE IN 2021 THAT THAT FACILITY WAS AT 90% DESIGN. I WALKED INTO THE ROOM AND EVERYBODY WAS EXCITED. THEY HAD IT WAS A 90% DESIGN. WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO TO 100. WE'RE GOING TO START BUILDING. AND I SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU'RE REPLACING IT IN KIND. YOU'RE REPLACING IT IN KIND. SO BUT THIS IS A GROWTH CENTER. WHY WOULDN'T YOU BUILD IN ADDITIONAL CAPACITY? WE DID THAT. WE BUILT THE BUILDING. WE BUILT EVERYTHING. AND WE PROVIDED FOR ADDITIONAL CAPACITY. SO WE NEEDED INSTEAD OF BUILDING A BUILDING WE'RE JUST PUTTING IN A PUMP. SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, SIR. 
          >> IF WE DID NOT HAVE A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AT THE HICKORY CREEK SITE, WHAT 
          WOULD HAPPEN TO THE WASTEWATER? >> WELL, WE WOULDN'T ACCEPT ANY WASTEWATER, SIR. WE WOULD HAVE 
          TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT GROWTH. >> SO. ARE THERE ANY OPPORTUNITIES? WHAT I'M GETTING IS ARE THERE ANY OPPORTUNITIES WITH NEIGHBORING CITIES OUT KIND 
          OF GOING TOWARD OUR WEST AND SOUTHWEST TO POSSIBLY PARTNER? >> UNFORTUNATELY, NO, SIR. 
          >> WHY? WHY NOT? >> THEY DON'T HAVE CAPACITY OR INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE AREA. THEY 
          WOULD HAVE TO BUILD IT AS WELL. >> IS THAT AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON INFRASTRUCTURE TOGETHER 
          WITH A NEIGHBORING CITY? >> WE TRY TO PARTNER WITH NEIGHBORING ORGANIZATIONS. SARA HAS DONE A GREAT JOB WITH REGIONALIZATION. WE'VE REACHED OUT TO EVERY SINGLE, I WOULD SAY 
          ORGANIZATION, EVERY CITY. >> EVERY CITY, EVERY TOWN, AND TALKED ABOUT A REGIONAL 
          WASTEWATER, REGIONAL WATER. THEY THOUGHT I HAD THREE HEADS. >> YEAH. 
          >> THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT. >> THEY DON'T REALLY TO BE REAL. FRANK. FRANK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE COMPARING US A CITY LIKE THIS THAT HAS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WATER, WASTEWATER AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, MOST OF THE SMALLER CITIES DO NOT HAVE THAT. 
          AND SO A LOT OF THEM ARE BUYING WATER FROM US. BUT THE OTHER THING IS, THIS IS WHY YOU'RE SEEING PACKAGE PLANTS BEING PUT OUT INTO THE ETJ AREA. AND THESE MUDS, WHICH IS TOTALLY NOT A GOOD IDEA, BUT WE I TRIED THREE TIMES TO BRING THEM TO THE TABLE TO LOOK AT REGIONAL WATER, REGIONAL WASTEWATER, AND THEY DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE 
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CAPITAL, THEY DON'T HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE. OKAY. AND SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY THINK ABOUT. THEY'RE NOT THINKING FIVE YEARS OUT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT YOU JUST WATCH AND SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN FIVE YEARS OUT IN THE ETJ. 
          >> SO THIS IS JUST THE DOLLARS AND CENTS THING. THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. WELL, OKAY. 
          >> I THINK IT'S TO BE REAL HONEST WITH YOU, IT'S A DOLLAR AND CENTS AND A DOLLAR SENSE. 
          >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU SEE WHAT. >> SHE DID THERE? YES, MA'AM. 
          >> OKAY. ANY ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEE. WELL, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE WAS DOING 
          THE FIRST GO ROUND. I WAS HOPING NOT TO HAVE TO GO BACK AROUND. >> BUT MY BAD. I'LL WAIT TILL 
          YOU YOU GET BACK. >> NO, I'M NOT GIVING DIRECTION. SO I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT'S JUST. I JUST NEVER MIND WHO ELSE. I MEAN, SO I GUESS IF YOU DIDN'T GIVE DIRECTION AND YOU, FOR WHATEVER REASON. YEAH, THEN THAT WOULD BE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. 
          >> MY DIRECTION IS FIRST TO GO WITH RECOMMENDATION 75 TO 75%. >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. SAME. REPRESENTATIVE. >> DISTRICT TWO. SAME. SAME. 
          >> OKAY. >> YES, SIR. >> MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          >> I'LL GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. >> GOT IT. YEAH. SO TO SUM UP, I CAN'T GET THERE. I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD AND THE UPDATES I, WHAT I, WHAT I NEED IS THE TOTAL COST OF ALL THE FEES. RIGHT. I JUST CAN'T MAKE THIS DECISION IN A VACUUM. SO NOT KNOWING THE ROAD IMPACT FEES. AND MAN, I LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCE FOR THE PREVIOUS THING AND I REALLY GOT TO HAVE SOMEBODY STEP ME THROUGH THAT. 
          HOLY SMOKES. IT, IT HAS IT. I DIDN'T EVEN GET THROUGH ALL THE DATES, BUT IT HAS IF YOU HAVE IF YOU RECEIVE REMITTANCE BY 1998 TO 2003, THERE'S A NUMBER. AND THEN IF YOU 2003 TO 2008 THERE'S A NUMBER, AND THEN THERE'S 2008 TO 2013, THERE'S A DIFFERENT NUMBER. I DON'T GET IT. I MEAN, AND I'M SURE IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DO THIS EVERY DAY, BUT YEAH, THE IF YOU LOOK AT I'M LOOKING AT THE CODE HERE AND YEAH, THERE'S ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE DIFFERENT PRICING. 
          CATEGORIES. BUT BASED ON YOUR PRESENTATION IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S ONE AND SOME DIFFERENT ZONES. BUT IF WE COULD JUST SO I CAN BE PREPARED TO CONTINUE TO TALK WITH YOU. CAN WE GO TO 
          SLIDE 13. >> OH LET'S SEE WHERE'S THE SHARE. 
          >> THANK YOU. EXCELLENT. SO FOLLOW UP I'D LIKE A PIECE OF. PAPER THAT HAS NO WORRIES. NO NO YOU'RE RIGHT. YEAH A PIECE OF PAPER THAT'S ANTIQUATED EMAIL. THAT'S. THAT I PUT IT ON A SCANTRON. BUT THAT HAS BECAUSE I, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO TRACK ALONG WITH AREA A AND JUXTAPOSED TO THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, SERVICE AREAS. BUT YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T I MEAN, SO IF I CAN HAVE JUST THOSE TOGETHER AND THEN ROAD IMPACT FEES, PARK FEES, ALL THOSE THINGS PER IF IT'S PER SQUARE FOOT PER PERMIT, WHATEVER. I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT HOW IT'S NORMALIZED AND SEE IT ALL KIND OF LAID OUT. BECAUSE THAT IS MY CONCERN WHEN YOU LOOK AT. SO AGAIN, GEOGRAPHIC, LIKE, HEY, HERE'S HOW THESE THESE TWO GO TOGETHER. YES, SIR. AND THEN FEES ALL IN FOR THE HOUSE BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT MY CONCERN AND I THINK THOSE THAT ARE CONCERNED IN THE INDUSTRY FOLKS ARE RIGHT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IF YOU'RE TALKING ALL IN FEES, THAT'S CERTAINLY GETTING PASSED THROUGH. AND TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S WHEN YOU WHEN YOU PULL THE PERMIT, YOU PAY. SO THE BALL STARTS. THEN YOU HAVE TO BUILD A DO WHATEVER DIRT WORK. THEN YOU HAVE TO BUILD THE HOUSE. SO LET'S SAY IT TAKES A YEAR TO BUILD A HOUSE. THAT INTEREST OR COST ON THOSE FEES BEGIN THERE. SO IT STARTS A YEAR BEFORE THE HOUSE IS BUILT. THEN YOU GOT TO BUILD THE HOUSE, THEN YOU GOT TO SELL IT, AND THEN THE BUYER GETS 
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IT. AND SO THEY'VE GOT IT PRE-LOADED WITH THIS BILL THAT IS STEEPED IN THESE FEES. AND SO I TAKE THE, THE EMAIL WE RECEIVED FROM THE DALLAS BUILDERS ASSOCIATION I GOT TO LOOK INTO THEIR NUMBERS. I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT, BUT I JUST USE IT AS AN EXAMPLE, THE 100%. 
          LET'S USE THE 75% BECAUSE THAT'S ACCURATE. THEY SAY THAT'S $60,000 TO THE COST OF THE HOME. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET HOUSES DOWN IN THE THREE HUNDREDS. THAT AUTOMATICALLY PUTS YOU I MEAN THAT PUTS YOU AT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HARD PRESSED TO FIND ANYTHING SUB 300. SO LET'S SAY THAT PUTS YOU IF THEY COME IN AT 300 YOU'RE AT 360. AND THEN YOU GOT TO YOU GOT INTEREST EVERY MONTH ON THAT. AND IT JUST, YOU KNOW IT JUST IS A LOT. AND SO I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SIGNING UP FOR PER HOUSE, BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO HAVE THAT SAME CONVERSATION. YOU CAN'T SAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND YOU'RE STARTING EVERY AFFORDABLE HOUSE WITH A $60,000 BILL BECAUSE CASE IN POINT HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, THEIR LAST HOUSE. AND THAT'S ALL VOLUNTEER LABOR THAT'S DONATED PART APPLIANCES, ALL THOSE THINGS THEY'RE APPRAISING, I THINK ROUND NUMBERS $200,000. SO A FOR PROFIT HOME. YOU'RE NOT COMING IN UNDER 200,000. AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE MOVING TO THE ETJ. AND SO NOW WE'RE PUSHING OUR PROBLEM OUT OF THE CITY TO THE CITY MANAGER'S POINT. WE'RE TRYING TO NAVIGATE WATER OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY'D RATHER BE OUT THERE TO AVOID THE $0.59 PER 100 FROM A TAX ISSUE AND FROM A FEES RIGHT. THEY'LL JUST RUN FROM IT. AND SO WE DON'T I JUST WANT TO MAKE A BALANCED TO YOUR POINT, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IT'S ALL A RISK ANALYSIS. I JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GET THERE. AND SO I WANT TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT BETTER BEFORE I GIVE DIRECTION. BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS I WANT IT TO BE. I MEAN, I THINK YOU'VE DONE GREAT PROVIDING INFORMATION AND I JUST NEED TO PROCESS THROUGH THAT A 
          LITTLE BETTER. >> UNDERSTOOD. >> WE HAVE IT. WE JUST NEED TO UPDATE IT. SO WE WILL HAVE A SHEET OUT TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT SHOW WATER, WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES, ROAD IMPACT FEES, PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES, ALL THOSE THINGS WILL PULL 
          IT TOGETHER AND GET IT OUT. >> OKAY. >> YEAH. NO, I APPRECIATE IT. 
          BUT AGAIN, GREAT INFORMATION. THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO STAY TIED TO THE INDUSTRY. THANK YOU FOR EVALUATING THOSE THINGS AND HELPING TO GUIDE THAT CONVERSATION. SO TO ALL INVOLVED THANK YOU. LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE LAND. BUT THANK YOU. 
          [1. Closed Meeting:]
          >> THANK YOU MAYOR. >> YES, SIR. OKAY. SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORK SESSION. WE HAVE ITEM B ENCLOSED WERE NOT TAKEN UP. THAT WAS JUST A PLACEHOLDER. CORRECT. RIGHT. SO NO NEED TO DO THAT. WE DO NEED TO TAKE UP ITEM A. BUT WE DO HAVE DINNERS HERE. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THOSE. WE'LL DO BOTH. SO I WILL TAKE US IN THE CLOSE AND THEN WE'LL GRAB FOOD COME BACK AND THEN SET THE ROOM AND GET STARTED WITH A CLOSED SESSION AND EAT AT THE SAME TIME. SO THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW, AT 4:49 P.M, CONVENE IN CLOSED MEETING AND TO DELIBERATE THE CLOSED MEETING ITEM SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING ITEM A ID 25760. DELIBERATIONS REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.087. 
          AND WE'LL TAKE A BREAK UNTIL EVERYONE CAN PLEASE JUST GRAB AND COME BACK 
          [AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED:]
GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. IT IS 630 ON JULY 15TH, 2025. WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE'LL CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA ARE PLEDGES TO THE UNITED STATES AND TEXAS FLAG. PLEASE STAND WITH ME IF YOU'RE ABLE. I PLEDGE 
          ALLEGIANCE. >> TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND 
          JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE. 
          >> TO THEE. >> TEXAS. >> ONE STATE UNDER GOD. 
          [2. PROCLAMATIONS/PRESENTATIONS]
          >> ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE ONE PROCLAMATION. IF YOU ARE HERE WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION FOR PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH, YOU CAN MEET ME DOWN AT THE 
          PODIUM. >> WHERE'S THE WHOLE CREW? WHERE'S THE CREW? EVERYBODY'S ON THE CASE. I BROUGHT MY FAMILY. GOOD, GOOD, GOOD. RECREATION. PARKS AND REC. 
          >> OKAY. YOU WANT TO YOU TO SPOKESPERSON GARY. ALL RIGHT. TELL US WHAT WE'RE RECOGNIZING. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. THIS YEAR IS OUR 40TH ANNUAL CELEBRATION OF JULY AS PARKS AND REC MONTH. THE PARKS ARE THE HEARTBEAT OF OUR COMMUNITY. WE ROAM THE TRAILS. WE SPEND TIME IN THE PARKS. WE 
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USE THEM FOR SOCIAL OUTLETS, MENTAL WELLNESS, PHYSICAL WELLNESS. BUT. AND THE HEARTBEAT OF THE COMMUNITY. BUT TRUTHFULLY, OUR STAFF WORK SO PEOPLE CAN PLAY, AND IT'S REALLY A TIME TO THANK THEM FOR ALL THEY DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL. BECAUSE THEY PUT THE BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS IN SO PEOPLE CAN ENJOY THEIR COMMUNITY AND HAVE FUN WITH THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY. SO THANK YOU TO OUR STAFF FIRST AND FOREMOST. AND TIME IS THIS MONTH IS CELEBRATE RECREATION. UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF OUR STAFF ARE ON VACATION THIS WEEK, SO THEY'RE OUT 
          RECREATION RECREATING AS WELL. >> AND GIVE US A PREVIEW. SO WHAT CAN WHAT CAN THE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WATCHING HERE EXPECT FOR HALLOWEEN, TEXAS? GIVE THEM A PREVIEW. 
          >> WELL, THAT'S TOP SECRET INFORMATION OKAY. BUT WE DO HAVE WE HAVE SOME EXPANDED PLACEMAKING OPPORTUNITIES, A NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT ARE PLANNED. SO WE REALLY WANT TO DRIVE PLACES FOR NOT JUST THE RESIDENTS TO ENJOY IN A UNIQUE EXPERIENCES, BUT ALSO TO GENERATE TAX SALES, MONEY SALES FOR OUR RESIDENTS, FOR OUR BUSINESSES, BY BRINGING IN VISITORS TO OUR COMMUNITY. SO LAST YEAR WAS TREMENDOUS. FOR THE FIRST YEAR, WE HAD 145,000 MORE PEOPLE THAN LAST OCTOBER. VISIT DENTON FOR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO 
          BREAK THAT AND DO GOOD THINGS. >> GOT IT. AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF. SO MEGAN THOMAS, PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAM AREA MANAGER. SO I OVERSEE REC CENTERS AND THE SUMMER CAMPS, REC CARE PROGRAMS. THIS IS DYLAN. SHE IS A SUMMER CAMPER A COUPLE YEARS NOW. AND THEN THIS IS RANEY. SHE'S ALSO MINE, AND THIS IS HER FIRST YEAR. SHE'S WORKING AT THE WATER 
          PARK. >> I JUST SAY IT. OH. YOU DID? >> OH. 
          >> I'M SORRY. SHE DID? NO. WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE THING ABOUT WORKING AT THE WATER PARKS? 
          >> I NEVER SAID I WANTED TO SAY THAT, BUT JUST SERVING FOOD AND MAKING. MAKING THE FOOD. EATING 
          THE FOOD. >> GOOD, GOOD. >> WE GET THE FOOD. 
          >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BOTH OF YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. THAT'S AWESOME. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. AND SO I HAVE A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME. GREETINGS. WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION ARE VITAL TO THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS, AND WHEREAS THESE INDIVIDUAL RESOURCES PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PHYSICAL ACTIVITY, MENTAL REJUVENATION, SOCIAL CONNECTION, AND ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, CONTRIBUTING SIGNIFICANTLY TO A VIBRANT AND COHESIVE COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS OUR DEDICATED PROFESSIONALS AND VOLUNTEERS WORK TIRELESSLY TO ENSURE A SAFE AND WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL, ALLOWING THE COMMUNITY TO CELEBRATE THE ESSENTIAL ROLES OF PARKS AND RECREATION. PLAY IN BUILDING A STRONGER, HEALTHIER AND MORE LIVABLE DENTON. NOW, THEREFORE, I, GERALD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM JULY 20TH 5TH JULY 2025 AS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH IN THE CITY OF DENTON AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE IMPORTANCE OF PARKS AND RECREATION AND THE BENEFIT THE BENEFIT THEY PROVIDE IN OUR COMMUNITY, IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A 
          HAND. >> UP, HOLD UP, UP FOR ME. IS THAT ALL RIGHT? OKAY. SIDE THIS 
          WAY. ALL RIGHT. >> DON'T HIDE. DON'T HIDE. >> EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY 
          MUCH. >> GREAT JOB. HOW FAR? >> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE HIM A HIGH FIVE. YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE HIM HANGING, OKAY? JUST HAVE TO PAY YOURSELF. THANK YOU, THANK 
          YOU. OH. >> I. 
          [3. PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC]
          >> FORGOT THAT. SORRY. IF WE COULD PLAY THE VIDEO FOR ADDRESSING COUNCIL, PLEASE. AND 
          THANK YOU. >> THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, INCLUDING A CODE OF CONDUCT THAT APPLIES TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBERS. THESE RULES WERE ENACTED TO PROMOTE AN ORDERLY PROCESS AND TO PRESERVE DECORUM. SPEAKERS WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE A SCHEDULED REPORT AND FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE AN OPEN MIC REPORT. A BELL WILL RING WHEN TIME HAS EXPIRED. IF THE REMARKS ARE NOT CONCLUDED BY THAT TIME, THE SPEAKER WILL BE ASKED TO STOP SPEAKING. IF THE SPEAKER DOES NOT CEASE AND A SECOND REQUEST IS MADE, THE MAYOR MAY REQUEST TO HAVE THE SPEAKER REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER. SPEAKERS SHOULD NOT APPROACH THE DAIS. IF A SPEAKER HAS MATERIALS FOR THE COUNCIL, PLEASE NOTIFY THE CITY SECRETARY IN ADVANCE FOR SCHEDULED REPORTS. THE COUNCIL MAY INITIATE DISCUSSION OR ASK QUESTIONS FOR NONSCHEDULED OPEN MIC REPORTS. THE COUNCIL MAY LISTEN, HOWEVER, BECAUSE NO 
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NOTICE OF THE SUBJECT OF THE OPEN MIC REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC IN ADVANCE. THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR DECISION BY THE COUNCIL ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS. AS A RESULT, THE COUNCIL MAY ONLY PROCEED AS FOLLOWS ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS PROPOSED TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. MAKE A STATEMENT OF FACTUAL POLICY OR A RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY. SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO DIRECT ALL REMARKS AND QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE, AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MAKING ABUSIVE, PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS. ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE MAY BE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE. COPIES OF THE 
          RULES OF PROCEDURE ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY SECRETARY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. FIRST SPEAKER IS PRUDENCE SANCHEZ. IF YOU CAN COME UP AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS PRUDENCE SANCHEZ. I LIVE HERE IN DENTON. I AM JUST EXCITED TODAY TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. I IT WAS A SURPRISE TO ME THAT OUR CITY AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE VOTED ON ALL THE TIME. I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE JUST ABSOLUTELY GOING TO HAVE. 
          AND SO I'M HERE AND EXCITED TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE CHILDREN OF THE CITY OF DENTON. I AM HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM. I BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR CITY TO HAVE THIS AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM. I GET IT, I GET IT. MAYBE THE NUMBERS DON'T WORK. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT A BUDGET AND YOU HAVE DECISIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE. BUT I THINK IT'S JUST EXCITING AND EXCITING FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE THIS HUGE RESPONSIBILITY AND THIS HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR THE CHILDREN IN OUR CITY. I'M AN ATTORNEY. I SPENT MOST OF MY TIME AS AN ATTORNEY ADVOCATING FOR JUVENILES IN THE IN OUR COURT HERE IN DENTON, COLLIN AND TARRANT COUNTY. SO I DO GET A LITTLE VERKLEMPT, I SHOULD SAY, WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SAFETY AND THE PROTECTION THAT THEY DESERVE FROM US. SO YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO DO THE NEXT RIGHT THING. AND EVEN IF THE NUMBERS DON'T WORK, I BELIEVE THAT HERE, THE CITY OF DENTON IS BIG ENOUGH THAT WE CAN DO IT. WE CAN MAKE IT WORK. BUT POPULATION WE RANK 21ST AMONG THE TEXAS CITIES BY COUNTIES. WE RANKED SEVEN. WE ARE NEIGHBORS TO DALLAS AND FORT WORTH. I BELIEVE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO. AND HERE IS WHY WE NEED IT. IT'S BECAUSE THERE ARE FEDERAL CUTS TO FAMILY AID THAT ARE IN PLACE NOW. THERE'S FEDERAL CUTS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION THAT ARE IN PLACE. THESE ARE UGLY HITS TO FAMILIES, BUDGETS, STRESS LEVELS AND THEIR MENTAL HEALTH. ONE THING I'M TALKING ABOUT IS JUST THE FACT THAT THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL HAS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES IN THERE AND ADDRESSES THOSE ISSUES. THIS IS PILING ON FAMILIES ALREADY STRUGGLING TO MAKE ENDS MEET. WE SHOULD BE ASKING OURSELVES, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE HELP OUR CITY? HOW CAN WE HELP OUR CHILDREN? HOW CAN WE HELP THIS PROGRAM TO EVEN BE MORE ROBUST, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY OF DENTON? OUR DISD, ACCORDING TO TEXAS SCHOOLS.GOV. WE GET A GRADE OF A C AS FAR AS PREPARING OUR OUR STUDENTS FOR, FOR LIFE, FOR THE WORLD, EVEN FOR THE MILITARY. AND AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS DO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S READING PROGRAMS AT AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS CAN PROVIDE ACCORDING TO UNITED WAY. 
          WELL, ACCORDING TO TEXAS SCHOOLS, DOT GOV, 48.8% OF OUR KIDS WERE ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED IN 22 2023 DATA. THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TALKS ABOUT OUR LATCHKEY KIDS AND HOW IT'S DANGEROUS AND STRESSFUL SITUATIONS FOR THEM, INCLUDING PHYSICAL ABUSE, SEXUAL SEXUAL ABUSE, CRIME, DELINQUENCY, DEPRESSION AND SUICIDE, DRUG AND ALCOHOL ABUSE, EMOTIONAL AND BEHAVIORAL ISSUES, LEARNING DIFFICULTIES, DIFFICULTIES AND SCHOOL ATTENDANCE PROBLEMS, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, PREGNANCY, ABORTION, VENEREAL DISEASE. THE U.S. 
          DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ALSO SAYS THAT READING FAILURE IS MOST LIKELY A CAUSE, AND NOT A CORRELATE FOR THE FRUSTRATION THAT CAN AND DOES RESULT IN DELINQUENT BEHAVIOR. SO AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS ARE A REALLY HUGE INVESTMENT IN OUR CHILDREN TO PREVENT THESE HARMS THAT COME TO THEM, PREVENT THEM FROM ENGAGING IN RISKY BEHAVIOR IN THE PRIME TIME, WHICH IS BETWEEN 2 AND 6 P.M. IN THE EVENINGS WHEN THEY ARE NOT SUPERVISED BY A TRUSTWORTHY ADULT. THERE'S NO COOKIE CUTTER IMAGE OF A CHILD WHO ENDS UP AS A JUVENILE IN THE JUVENILE DELINQUENT AND THE 
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JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM, AND THERE'S NO COOKIE CUTTER IMAGE OF A CHILD WHO IS A VICTIM OF ANOTHER JUVENILE OR EVEN AN ADULT. SO OUR KIDS NEED OUR SUPPORT EVERY DAY HERE IN DENTON ISD SAYS THAT IN MARCH OF 2023, WE HAD 587 HOMELESS KIDS. I JUST ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT OUR AFTER 
          SCHOOL PROGRAM. >> AND I JUST I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD THE MOST 
          RECENT INFORMATION THAT THAT. >> THESE ARE THE STATISTICS THAT I CAME UP WITH FROM UNITED, UNITED WAY. I DIDN'T FIND LIKE 24, 25 STATISTICS. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THAT THEY ARE PROBABLY 
          WORSE. >> YEAH. NO WORRIES. I'M JUST SAYING WITH RESPECT TO THE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM, IT'S JUST DIDN'T ISD IS TAKE BASICALLY WE'RE NOT TRANSPORTING THE KIDS ANYMORE. 
          THE COST IS THE SAME AND EVERYTHING ELSE STAYS THE SAME. THEY'RE HIRING OUR STAFF MEMBERS, SO WE'RE JUST NOT TRANSPORTING THE KIDS. BUT FOR MLK AND THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. SO I JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE NOTHING'S GOING AWAY. I DON'T I DON'T WANT I DON'T WANT MISINFORMATION TO BE THERE'S ALREADY BAD INFORMATION OUT THERE THAT COSTS 
          MORE AND ALL THOSE THINGS NOT TRUE. >> AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PERPETUATE ANY MISINFORMATION. I'M JUST GOING ON THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE INS AND OUTS. I JUST KNOW THAT AN AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM IS IMPORTANT, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD THINK THAT SOMEONE ELSE GOING TO IS GOING TO DO, LIKE THE TRAGEDY OF THE COMMONS WHERE EVERYBODY'S SUPPOSED TO DO SOMETHING BUT NOBODY DOES ANYTHING. AND SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I FELT STRONGLY TO, TO COME AND SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT, BECAUSE I HAVE HOPE IN YOU ALL. THAT'S WHY WE ELECTED YOU. 
          THAT'S WHY WE HIRED YOU. WE FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE A VISION FOR OUR CITY AND THAT INCLUDES OUR KIDS. 
          >> YEAH. NO, AND I USE I. SO WE'LL HAVE STAFF GET YOU THE MOST RECENT INFORMATION. BUT BUT I EQUATE IT TO THIS BECAUSE IT PROBABLY DOESN'T CONNECT WELL BUT IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. SO THERE'S A, THERE IS A, THERE'S LIKE A NATURAL LOCAL DOLLAR STORE THAT USED TO BE OVER BY MOVIE TAVERN THAT WAS THERE AND IN DOLLAR TREE MOVED NEXT DOOR AND PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS. SO WE'RE JUST SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TWO COMPETING BUSINESSES NEXT TO EACH OTHER. WE'D RATHER IT THRIVE AND DO WELL. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOT COMPETE WITH ISD, BUT SUPPORT THEM AND WORK TOGETHER AS A PARTNER. TO YOUR POINT TO BE MINDFUL OF EVERYONE'S TAX DOLLARS, SAME TAX DOLLARS. LET'S USE THEM WISELY VERSUS COMPETE WITH EACH OTHER. 
          >> WELL, I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. I WAS JUST CONCERNED WITH THE CUTS THAT ARE COMING FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. I DON'T KNOW HOW ALL OF IT WORKS, BUT I AM HERE TO 
          SUPPORT OUR KIDS AND TO ADVOCATE. >> YES. SO THEY'LL GET YOU THAT INFORMATION. AND THEN BY ALL MEANS, ONCE YOU HAVE THAT, IF THERE'S IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE 
          MISSED, PLEASE LET US KNOW. >> OH YES. ABSOLUTELY. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I 
          APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I. 
          >> APPRECIATE IT. >> AND THE NEXT SPEAKER IS. LAUREN INMAN. YOU CAN COME DOWN 
          AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LAUREN INMAN. I AM HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE FLOODING ON JUNE 3RD IN DENTON, TEXAS. OVER A MONTH HAS PASSED SINCE THE FLOODING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH UPWARDS OF $100,000 IN LOSS OR DAMAGES BETWEEN CARS, FLOORS BEING DAMAGED, DESTROYED, WASHERS AND DRYERS, NOT TO MENTION KEEPSAKES AND MEMENTOS DESTROYED THAT YOU CAN'T PUT A PRICE ON THAT NIGHT. ANYONE FROM THE CITY CAN TELL ME THAT THIS WAS A WEATHER ANOMALY, 100 YEAR STORM. BUT I HAVE QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANSWERS FOR. WHEN MY NEIGHBORS WERE CALLING 911, UNABLE TO OPEN THEIR DOOR BECAUSE OF KNEE HIGH WATER, THE 911 OPERATOR TOLD THEM TO CALL A PLUMBER. WHY DOES THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT ON CONGRESS STREET HAVE ENORMOUS PILES OF GRAVEL, PIPES AND OTHER CONSTRUCTION JUNK ON THE EDGES OF THE STREETS, WHICH IS THE FIRST STEP OF THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM WHERE WATER NEEDS TO FLOW TO THE GUTTERS. WHY, IN THE MANY HOURS I'VE ON THE PHONE, CALLING PEOPLE FROM THE CITY, AND SCOTT FETTIG, THE PROJECT MANAGER OF THAT PROJECT, DID NO ONE MENTION THE NEXT PHASE OF THE PROJECT WAS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ALL OF OUR HOUSES? THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN REALLY NICE TO KNOW. APPARENTLY, I'VE HEARD THAT THE CITY HAS NOT RESPONDED TO DOCTOR HERERE AT UNITED HOPE, THE AUTISM CENTER, SO THAT'S DISAPPOINTING AS WELL. THEY LOST TWO VEHICLES. MOST AUTO INSURANCE DOESN'T THAT PEOPLE CARRY DOESN'T COVER FLOODING OF THAT NATURE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIKE THE TOP TIER AUTO INSURANCE AND HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE THAT COVERS FLOODS. AS FOR WHEN PIPES BURST THINGS YOU WOULD CALL A PLUMBER FOR, NO ONE FROM THE CITY HAS OFFERED TO BRING US A DUMPSTER OR BULK PICKUP FOR TRASH. FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT WE LOST IN GARAGES, ETC. NO RESOURCES. MANY PEOPLE LOST THEIR FENCES. NOTHING GOING ON FOR THAT. THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY ON THE STREET HAS GUYS THAT ARE LIKE URINATING OUTSIDE IN THE ROAD. THAT'S NOT 
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APPROPRIATE. THERE IS PORTA POTTIES AND STUFF FOR THEM TO USE, AND YET THEY'RE PEEING IN THE STREET AND LEAVING THEIR TRASH. I WENT DOWN THERE TO ASK THEM HOW LONG THE PROJECT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO ON, JUST FOR MY OWN INFORMATION, AND HE SAID, WHEN WE'RE DONE. SO THAT'S NOT REALLY MY, LIKE, TAX DOLLARS AT WORK. I'VE SPOKEN TO MIKE LINDER AT LENGTH AND HITS HIS PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THAT CONSTRUCTION HAS ZERO TO DO WITH THE FLOOD, AND THAT'S OKAY. BUT ME AND MY NEIGHBORS, EVERY TIME IT RAINS, WE SEE ALL THE WATER WITH NOWHERE TO GO AND ALL THE PILES OF GRAVEL, EQUIPMENT, PIPES, ETC. IT JUST COULD HAVE BEEN A LOT MORE TRAGIC THAT DAY. 
          THERE WAS SOMEONE WHOSE CAR STALLED OUT ON OUR STREET. THEY COULD NOT DO TURN AROUND, DON'T DROWN BECAUSE THE WATER CAME OVER THE IT CAME OUT SO FAST. SHE HAD THE TWO GUYS IN THE CAR WITH HER, LEAPT OUT OF THE CAR AND THE CAR WAS FILLING WITH WATER, AND SHE HAD TO PUSH HER WAY OUT. HAD SHE LOST HER FOOTING WHEN SHE GOT OUT, SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN SWEPT AWAY WITH THE WAY THE WATER WAS FLOWING. SO IT'S JUST A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING THAT ANYTIME I CALL, THERE'S NO ANSWERS. I FINALLY GOT AHOLD OF CAPITAL PROJECTS, WHO EVERYONE TOLD ME I SHOULD CALL, AND AFTER I TALKED TO THE LADY, SHE SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO FOR YOU, AND I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO YOU INSULT ME, WHICH I DIDN'T. SO I'D LOVE FOR SOMEBODY TO FIND THAT CALL AND FOLLOW UP ON THAT, BECAUSE IF THERE IS CITY RESOURCE THAT EVERYONE IS POINTING ME TO ON THE CITY OF DENTON WEBSITE THAT EVERYONE LIKES TO POINT OUT, THEN THEY NEED TO BE MORE HELPFUL WHEN PEOPLE CALL. SO I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST A DUMPSTER ON OUR STREET THROW STUFF AWAY. I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A BARE MINIMUM. IF YOU HAVE ANY RESOURCES FOR PEOPLE TO REPLACE THEIR FENCES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT ABOVE ALL, JUST LIKE A SHRED OF EMPATHY FROM ANYONE IN THE CITY. BECAUSE ANYTIME I'VE CALLED, THERE'S BEEN, I THINK, TWO PEOPLE THAT HAVE STARTED WITH AND I'M SORRY, AND WE'VE LOST A LOT OF STUFF, SO 
          THANK YOU. >> OKAY. BUT AND I DO WANT I DO WANT TO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ADD. I SHARE I SHARE YOUR CONCERNS. I ADVOCATED FOR DUMP. WE HAD A SITE WHERE PEOPLE WOULD ILLEGALLY DUMPED A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF AND I SAID, HEY, CAN WE GET THEM A ROLL OFF DUMPSTER? THEY ANSWER TO ME WAS, NO. AND I KNOW EVERYBODY HERE AND WE'RE ALL FRIENDS, BUT IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S A MUNICIPAL. SOLID WASTE COMPANY. AND SO WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF IF I TAKE MY NEIGHBOR'S MONEY BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A CO-OP. RIGHT. AND SO IT TAKES A LITTLE YOU HAVE TO GET CREATIVE. BUT SO I ASKED THE EXACT SAME THING FOR SOMEBODY THAT WAS A VICTIM OF SOMETHING 
          ON MY. >> WALKING ROUTE AROUND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON CONGRESS, I SEE SOMEONE EVERY SINGLE NIGHT, A DIFFERENT PERSON, DUMPING THEIR BULK TRASH INTO THAT DUMPSTER. WE ALL COULD DO THAT, SURE, BUT WE WANT A DUMPSTER FROM THE CITY FOR A COUPLE DAYS AND THEY CAN HAUL IT AWAY. SO AND THEN ALSO, JUST ADDITIONALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU GUYS ACTUALLY SAW HOW BAD THE FLOODS WERE, BUT I HAVE A WHOLE GOOGLE FOLDER OF THE DAMAGES, THE FLOOD WATERS, THE RUSHING WATER THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SHARE WITH ANYONE IF THEY 
          WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. >> AND SO MY MAIN POINT WAS JUST TO TELL YOU, YOU'RE NOT BEING SINGLED OUT IN ANY WAY FROM FROM THAT ANSWER IS THE ANSWER I RECEIVED SEPARATELY. RIGHT. SO BUT WE'LL HAVE CITY MANAGER FOLLOW UP WITH YOU AND TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. 
          >> TO HELP. I BELIEVE SETH HAS MET WITH YOU SEVERAL TIMES. AND HIS TEAM, SETH. SETH FROM 
          CAPITAL PROJECTS. >> NO, NO, SETH. >> SETH AND HIS TEAM HAS MET 
          WITH YOU ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS TO TRY TO OFFER SOLUTIONS. >> MIKE LINDER, NO DRAINAGE ENGINEER. I HAVE NEVER MET WITH SETH. I'VE RECORDED JUST ABOUT EVERY CONVERSATION I'VE HAD, AND 
          IF SETH IS SAYING HE'S MET WITH ME, I'D LOVE TO SPEAK WITH HIM. >> SO SCOTT MCDONALD IS UP AT THE TOP AND CASSEY OGDEN IS THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. THEY'RE GOING TO TALK TO YOU RIGHT NOW 
          AFTER YOU FINISH HERE. >> GREAT. FANTASTIC. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY. NEXT SPEAKER, DANA ZELTNER, COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          >> DANA ZELTNER I ATTENDED THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING BECAUSE I WAS UNAWARE THAT ANOTHER GAS POWER PLANT WAS BEING CONSIDERED AND NOTICED SEVERAL CITIZENS WERE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK REGARDING THIS ISSUE. IT CANNOT BE DISPUTED THAT GAS ENERGY IS A FINITE RESOURCE AND THAT IT POLLUTES THE AIR. HOWEVER, I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT THE FIRST PLANT HAS BEEN A QUESTIONABLE FINANCIAL ENDEAVOR. I CHOSE TO SIGN UP DURING THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING, BECAUSE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ALLOWED TO SPEAK TO THE ISSUE WHEN IT'S ON THE AGENDA. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS BYRD, JESTE, AND HOLLAND. SOME PEOPLE POINT OUT THAT IT WILL BE A LONG TIME BEFORE WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT RUNNING OUT OF FOSSIL FUELS. MAYBE ALL OF US IN THIS ROOM WILL BE LONG GONE BEFORE THAT ENERGY SOURCE IS DEPLETED, SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THE GENERAL 
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PUBLIC'S DISMISSIVE ATTITUDE TOWARD RENEWABLE ENERGY. IT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND THE HEAD IN THE SAND PERSPECTIVE CONCERNING AIR POLLUTION. WHEN CITIES HAVE READ WARNINGS DURING DAYS WHEN IT'S DANGEROUS FOR PEOPLE TO GO OUTSIDE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR SUPPORT FOR ANOTHER GAS PLANT. WHEN ONE PERSON SPOKE TO THE FACT THE FIRST ONE WAS A FINANCIAL BOONDOGGLE, WHAT I REALLY WORRY ABOUT IS MARIA, MY TWO YEAR OLD NEIGHBOR AND HER SOON TO BE BABY BROTHER OR SISTER WHOSE PARENTS WILL TAKE THEM FOR LOTS OF WALKS. I FEEL THAT THOSE OF YOU IN CHARGE OF MAKING THESE DECISIONS SHOULD WORRY ABOUT FUTURE GENERATIONS. 
          MY QUESTION TO YOU THREE WHAT IRREFUTABLE REASON THAT YOU HAVE RESEARCHED YOURSELF COMPELS YOU TO CHAMPION AIR POLLUTING ENERGY THAT ISN'T COST EFFECTIVE AND ENVIRONMENTALLY DANGEROUS, RATHER THAN A NONPOLLUTING SOURCE? I INTEND TO WAIT MY REMAINING TIME TO SEE IF FOR YOU TO COLLECT YOUR THOUGHTS AND SEE IF YOU'RE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION. 
          >> SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. IF YOU WAIT YOUR REMAINING TIME, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO RESPOND BECAUSE AT FOUR MINUTES IS FOUR MINUTES. SO IF YOU HAVE OTHER STUFF YOU WANT TO. 
          >> ADD THERE, THEY CAN RESPOND, OKAY, AND I'M WAITING FOR THEM TO GIVE ME AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION. AND SO IF IT'S FOUR MINUTES AND NOBODY ANSWERS I'M GOOD WITH THAT OKAY. 
          >> GOT IT. >> CAN I SPEAK? >> YEAH. YOU'D HAVE TO. YEAH. 
          JUST. YES. >> SORRY. >> THIS IS. 
          >> COUNCILPERSON JESTER. I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ANSWER YOUR YOUR QUESTION OUTRIGHT. HOWEVER, THE VOTE WAS NOT TO VOTE FOR A NEW GAS PLANT. THE VOTE WAS TO EXPLORE WHAT OPTIONS ARE OUT THERE FOR ADDITIONAL ENERGY. AND THERE IS SOME BEING BUILT OUT THERE THAT WE MAY BUY A PART OF SOMEWHERE. AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS EAST OR WEST TEXAS, BUT WEST TEXAS. SO IT IS NOT THE CITY DECIDING TO BUILD A GAS PLANT. IT WAS ONLY DIRECTION TO EXPLORE WHAT OPPORTUNITIES ARE OUT THERE. SO THERE IS NOTHING SET, THERE IS NOTHING CONCRETE. THE DIRECTION WAS JUST TO EXPLORE AND SO I DID VOTE IN FAVOR OF THAT. YES. LOOKING AT WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE FOR THE CITY AND THE GROWTH THAT IS COMING, AND THE COMBINATION OF SUSTAINABLE AS WELL AS GAS AND OTHER TYPES OF ENERGY, I'M ALL FOR EXPLORING WHAT OPPORTUNITIES ARE OUT THERE. AND THAT WAS THE REASON FOR MY VOTE. AS FAR AS CONDUCTING A STUDY FOR A SPECIFIC GAS PLANT. NO, I DID NOT DO THAT. I DID VOTE IN FAVOR OF GIVING DIRECTION TO EXPLORE BUYING INTO A GAS. WELL, OKAY. 
          >> AND THEN MARY ANDERSON IS IN SUPPORT OF THE DANGER ZONE, AND SHE FILLED OUT A WHITE CARD TO DO THAT. AND SO AND I THINK IT'S FOR, FOR THE RECORD FOR. JUST COMPLETENESS. TONI, CAN I BORROW YOU FOR A SECOND? BECAUSE THE QUESTION ABOUT THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE, THE. ENERGY CENTER, I HAD TO LIVE THAT FIRSTHAND. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WE HAD THREE DAYS IN THE LIFE OF NO ENERGY CENTER TO OFFSET COST. HOW MUCH DID WE SPEND DURING WINTER STORM URI FOR THOSE THREE 
          DAYS THAT THE GAS, THE ENERGY CENTER WAS OFFLINE. >> OVER $200 MILLION. 
          >> $200 MILLION. HOW MUCH DID WE SPEND WHEN IT WAS ONLINE? I MEAN, IT WAS. 
          >> PROBABLY $100 MILLION. 90 MILLION. YEAH. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST WANTED 
          TO HAVE A CLEAR RECORD. NEXT SPEAKER. >> LET ME CREATE AGAIN. GORKIN. 
          SAGEN SIE. >> GORKIN GORKIN AGENCY. OKAY, THERE YOU GO. YOU CAN COME DOWN 
          AND GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> THANK YOU. I'M HERE FOR TODAY. SPEAK ABOUT ELECTRIC BILLS AND OUR BUDGET. THE BUDGET? I HAVE A BACKGROUND FOR 
          ACCOUNTING, SO. >> AND YOU GOT TO GET CLOSER TO THE MIC THERE AND THEN. AND THEN IF YOU NEED THE CAMERA, YOU CAN SET IT THERE AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL, THEY'LL ZOOM IN FOR 
          YOU. >> THIS IS MY FIRST MEETING. PROBABLY WE'RE GONNA SEE EACH 
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          OTHER AGAIN. >> BECAUSE I CHECKED THE CITY BUDGET. 
          >> AND. >> I SEE SOME RED FLAG. SO I'M HERE FOR TODAY. MY NAME IS. I LIVE HERE IN DENTON. I'M NOT A POLITICIAN, JUST REGULAR PERSON. LIKE MANY PEOPLE IN THIS CITY. 
          OUR QUESTION. I HOPE YOU WILL LISTEN AND ANSWER CLEARLY SINCE 2020. DENTON MANIPULATION ELECTRIC SENT MORE THAN $90 MILLION TO CITY RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND FRANCHISE FEES. 
          ARE THEY VOTED PUBLICLY? IS IT LEGAL IN TEXAS TAKING UTILITY MONEY FROM OTHER FUNDS LIKE RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND GENERAL FUNDS AND OTHER INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS? THIS MONEY COME FROM OUR ELECTRIC BILL FROM PEOPLE LIKE US. WHERE DID THIS MONEY GO? WHAT DID CITY DO WITH IT? AND CAN YOU SHOW THE PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME? YOU GUYS CUT SOLAR PAYBACKS FOR FAMILIES, BUT GAVE SPECIAL LOW PRICE TO BIG COMPANIES LIKE A DATA CENTER? WHY IS CITY HELPING BIG COMPANIES WHILE MAKING THINGS HARDER FOR THE REGULAR PEOPLE AND MANY FAMILIES, DENTON ARE STRUGGLING. ELECTRIC BILLS ARE TOO HIGH. THEY ARE HURTING RENTERS, SENIORS, SINGLE MOMS, VETERANS, AND NO ONE HELPING. THERE IS NO BUDGET FOR THE LOW INCOME FAMILIES IN THIS CITY FOR ELECTRIC BILL. I ALSO ASK WHERE ARE THE FULL AUDIT REPORT 2023 AND 24? NO. SHORT SUMMARIES. THE FULL REPORT ALMOST $40 MILLION MOVED TO THOSE FUNDS WITHOUT PUBLIC NOTICE. JUST SAY RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND FRANCHISE FEES. IF EVERYTHING OKAY, WHY NOT SHOW THE PEOPLE? ALSO, LAST YEAR, SOME CITY WORKERS SPOKE UP. THEY ASKED QUESTION, THEY SAW PROBLEMS. WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM? DID YOU FIRE THEM? DID YOU IGNORE THEM? THIS IS SERIOUS. YOU KNOW SOME FIRE OR THEY NEVER TALK AGAIN. AND ANOTHER BIG PROBLEM ABOUT THE BUDGET ALMOST. THERE IS NO MONEY SPENT FOR ANTI-FRAUD AND OVERSIGHT THIS YEAR JUST FOR OUR YOUR AUDIT DEPARTMENT SPEND FRAUD. EVEN I CHECK EVERY EVERY MONTH MY CREDIT. YOU KNOW IF THEY CHARGE SOMETHING, YOU GUYS SPEND ALMOST $600 MILLION, BUT YOU SPEND FOUR HOURS FOR SEARCHING, IF ANY. ANTI-FRAUD. 
          WHY IS THAT? YOU MOVE MILLION DOLLARS, BUT SPEND ALMOST NOTHING TO PROTECT IT. YOU TELL THE PEOPLE, PAY BILLS ON TIME. OKAY, WHO WANTS WATCH THE CITY? WHO WATCHING THE CITY. YOU KNOW THERE'S A BUDGET YOU GUYS SIGNING. YOU'RE GETTING GRANT. YOU'RE MAKING CITY, DEP AND DEP FOR FEATURE. FOR EXAMPLE DATA CENTER. IF THEY ONE MONTH THEY USE ELECTRIC, THEY'RE GOING TO GET FIVE YEAR DISCOUNTED ELECTRIC. BUT FAMILIES NOT GETTING DISCOUNTED ELECTRIC. AND I SPEAK TODAY FOR THE PEOPLE OF DENTON. WE DON'T WANT GAMES. WE DON'T WANT SILENCE. WE WANT CLEAR ANSWER, FULL AUDITS, FAIR TRADE AND RESPECT FOR EVERY HOUSEHOLD. THIS IS JUST THE START. I WILL KEEP ASKING, KEEP WATCHING FOR MY NEIGHBORS AND FOR FAIRNESS. THANK YOU. 
          >> YEAH, SO I DO WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT. AND SO WE HAVE A CITY AUDITOR THAT AUDITS THE PROGRAMS REGULARLY. AND THERE'S A DROP BOX THERE. IF YOU EVER HAVE CONCERNS YOU CAN DROP THOSE IN THERE. AND THEY'LL IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW MONEY IS ALLOCATED. BUT I WILL DIRECT YOU TO THE CITY WEBSITE THAT SHE MENTIONED THAT. BUT THAT DIDN'T IN OUR QUOTE DIDN'T EARNS HIGHEST LEVEL OF FINANCIAL TRANSPARENCY IN TEXAS. SO THAT ARTICLE TOUCHES ON SOME OF THE THINGS WE DO. HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE HAPPY TO GET. THE STAFF WILL BE GREAT ABOUT GETTING YOU INFORMATION. YOU NEED TO EVALUATE THAT, BUT I WILL STAND UP AND SAY THAT WE ARE EXTREMELY TRANSPARENT. EVERYTHING WE DO IS PUBLIC MEETING. 
          >> AUDIT REPORT 2023 AND 2024. >> SO I DON'T HAVE. >> AUDIT REPORT, FULL AUDIT 
          REPORT FOR EXTERNAL AND INTERNAL. >> YEAH. SO IF YOU EMAIL EMAIL 
          ME AND ASK FOR IT WE'LL GET IT TO YOU OR STAFF. >> CAN IT'S PAST LIKE A WEEK. 
          THEY ASK EVERY THREE DAYS SOME QUESTION AS THE CLARITY AND ASKING. YOU KNOW THEY HAVE TEN DAYS TO GET THE ANSWER. SO I DIDN'T GET AND I COULDN'T FIND ANYWHERE TO 2023 AND 24 FOR 
          AUDIT REPORT. >> I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN OPEN. 
          >> WE. HAVE WE HAVE OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER HERE WHO WE HAVE OUTSIDE. 
          >> ENTITY COME IN AND LOOK AT EVERY ONE OF OUR. >> BOOKS, OUR DEBT AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND GIVES US A RATING FOR THE CITY. SHE CAN GIVE YOU SHOW YOU WHERE THAT IS. 
          >> THIS IS THIS IS IF YOU WANTED TRANSPARENCY, IT SHOULD BE ON THE WEBSITE. YOU KNOW, NOT. 
          >> ALL THAT. >> IT IS. >> IT IS I CHECKED. 
          >> OKAY, OKAY. HOW ABOUT HOW ABOUT THIS? EITHER IT IS OR IT ISN'T. AND IF YOU IF THEY GIVE YOU THE DIRECTIONS ON WHERE IT IS AND YOU DON'T FIND IT, YOU LET US KNOW. BUT I HAZARD THE GUESS. THEY WOULDN'T TELL YOU IT'S THERE IF IT'S NOT THERE. RIGHT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I 
          APPRECIATE YOU AND. >> YOU ABOUT EMPLOYEE AND. >> NO SIR. SO AS YOU KNOW AS YOU 
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KNOW EMPLOYEE MATTERS AND PERSONNEL MATTERS ARE PRIVATE. WE CAN'T TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT. 
          YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU KNOW THAT IS RIGHT. AND SO AND ALL THAT'S DOCUMENTED AND ALL OF THAT'S OPEN MEETINGS. YOU CAN GO WATCH ALL THOSE AND HEAR AND EVERYBODY'S JUSTIFICATION. AND THEN FEEL FREE TO EMAIL THOSE INDIVIDUALS ON HOW THEY VOTED FOR THAT AND ASK THEM THOSE QUESTIONS. THAT'S NOT A STAFF THING. THAT'S THIS COUNCIL MAKING THAT DECISION. BUT THOSE 
          VOTES ARE PUBLIC. HOW PEOPLE. >> VOTE DATA CENTER NOT SOLAR PANEL USER NOT FAIR. 
          >> WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM. >> IF YOU OKAY. >> SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH I 
          APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >> YEP I WILL ASK THIS QUESTION AGAIN. 
          >> THANK YOU. BY ALL MEANS. OKAY. AND THE NEXT SPEAKER VINCE HANDLER, YOU CAN COME DOWN AND 
          GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS VINCE HANDLER. I'M HERE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF BECAUSE I AM CAMPAIGNING TO WIN ELECTION AS THE NEXT JUSTICE OF THE PEACE FOR DENTON COUNTY PRECINCT FIVE. AND FOR GEOGRAPHIC REFERENCE, THAT COURT HAS JURISDICTION, BASICALLY THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE COUNTY. 
          IT'S FROM WISE COUNTY LINE ALL THE WAY TO THE COLLIN COUNTY LINE, SOUTH TO ABOUT UNIVERSITY HIGHWAY 380 FOR DENTON CITY DENTON. IT ENCOMPASSES PORTIONS OF CITY OF DENTON, DISTRICTS TWO AND THREE. I AM A GRADUATE OF BAYLOR LAW SCHOOL AND ACTIVELY PRACTICING ATTORNEY. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THOUSANDS OF CASES IN DENTON COUNTY, JUSTICE OF THE PEACE COURTS, EARNING THE RESPECT AND TRUST OF MANY DENTON COUNTY JUDGES. MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, THE CURRENT JUSTICE OF THE PEACE, JUDGE MIKE OGLESBY, CALLED ME PERSONALLY TO ANNOUNCE THAT HE WILL BE RETIRING AT THE END OF HIS CURRENT TERM. AND SINCE THEN, MORE THAN A DOZEN LOCAL JUDGES HAVE ENCOURAGED ME TO FILL THAT ROLE. SO NOW I'M STEPPING FORWARD TO CONTINUE THE TRADITION OF INTEGRITY AND FAIRNESS THAT OUR COMMUNITY EXPECTS FROM OUR JUDGES. I'VE EARNED THE ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORT BY MANY WHO KNOW ME THROUGH MY SERVICE AS AN ACTIVE COMMUNITY LEADER. FOR INSTANCE, I'M HONORED TO HAVE DENTON COUNTY SHERIFF TRACY MURPHREE SERVING AS MY CAMPAIGN TREASURER. I'VE BEEN ENDORSED BY SEVERAL STATE REPRESENTATIVES, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, MAYORS, PRECINCT CHAIRS, AND OTHER CURRENT AND FORMER ELECTED OFFICIALS. I'M PROUD TO SAY I HAVE MANY MORE ENDORSEMENTS ON THE WAY. I HAVE SERVED ON SEVERAL LOCAL BOARDS. I'VE BEEN AN ELECTION JUDGE, CURRENTLY SERVE AS A PRECINCT CHAIR, AND I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF A LOCAL VETERANS CLUB. I VOLUNTEER AS A TEEN COURT JUDGE FOR COLLIN COUNTY'S TEEN COURT PROGRAM, AND THERE'S MANY MORE AREAS WHERE I SERVE THE COMMUNITY. I HAVE SERVED AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL AGENT AND PROUDLY RETIRED AS A 20 YEAR AIR FORCE VETERAN. THESE EXPERIENCES, PLUS MORE, HAVE EQUIPPED ME WITH A WIDE RANGE OF VALUABLE SKILLS THAT I WOULD BRING. SERVING AS JUSTICE OF THE PEACE, COMPLEMENTED BY A STRONG FOUNDATION IN THE LAW. AS JUDGE, I WILL BE FAIR, IMPARTIAL AND COMMITTED TO ENSURING EVERY CASE IS HEARD WITHOUT PREJUDICE OR FAVORITISM AND I WILL FAITHFULLY UPHOLD THE LAW, APPLYING IT CONSISTENTLY AND PREDICTABLY TO THE FACTS OF EACH CASE. FINALLY, I AM FAITH AND FAMILY FOCUSED. FOR ME, BEING A JUDGE WOULD NOT BE A JOB. IT WOULD ACTUALLY. 
          IT'S A CALLING AND I HAVE THE UNWAVERING SUPPORT OF MY WIFE, MY EXTENDED FAMILY, AND MANY, MANY FRIENDS. I WOULD BE HONORED TO EARN YOUR PERSONAL SUPPORT, AS WELL AS SUPPORT OF THE DENTON COMMUNITY, AND TO LEARN TO LEARN MORE ABOUT ME, AND TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT WHAT THE JUSTICE OF THE PEACE DOES. YOU MAY VISIT HANDLER FOR JUDGE.COM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          >> THANK YOU. AND IF YOU COULD, IF YOU'D BE SO KIND TO EMAIL IN THAT MAP SO WE CAN SEE WHERE IT FALLS. IF YOU HAVE ONE FOR YOUR PRECINCT, THAT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE. 
          >> YES, MA'AM. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. YES. AND LAST SPEAKER IS ERICA GARLAND. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN, GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          >> HELLO, MY NAME IS ERICA GARLAND. I LIVE AT 913 HOUSTON STREET HERE IN DENTON. AND I CAME HERE TONIGHT TO KIND OF PROVIDE SOME HISTORY AND CONTEXT REGARDING THE DETENTION POND THAT'S AT SHERMAN AND HERCULES. SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN KIND OF A LOT OF. OUTRAGE. I KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE PROBABLY KIND OF REACHED OUT TO YOU TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT AND EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS, AND I THOUGHT THAT IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL IF I CAME HERE TONIGHT AND TALKED TO YOU ABOUT IT. I'VE LIVED IN THIS ACTUAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN SHERMAN CROSSING FOR FIVE YEARS NOW. I PURCHASED MY HOUSE IN THE FALL OF 2020, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. THROUGHOUT THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THAT POND HAS REMAINED FULL. THERE'S A RETAINING WALL. I BROUGHT PICTURES I CAN I'M HAPPY TO SHOW YOU, BUT THERE'S A RETAINING 
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WALL. AND THIS AREA HISTORICALLY, FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, HAS ALWAYS KIND OF HELD WATER, ACCORDING TO NEIGHBORS, KIND OF IN AND AROUND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. BACK ON FEBRUARY 27TH WAS THE FIRST TIME THE POND WAS DRAINED OFFICIALLY. WE WOKE UP ONE MORNING AND THEY WERE JUST DOING IT. ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS, WE WERE, YOU KNOW, UPSET BY IT. WE REACHED OUT TO THE HOA AND THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE FACING FINES FROM THE CITY. AND SO THEY DRAINED THE POND. 
          FORTUNATELY, IT WAS IN THE SPRING AND SO THE POND IMMEDIATELY FILLED BACK UP. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT IN MY OPINION, THERE'S A THERE'S A DESIGN FLAW WITH THE RETAINING WALL. THE WHERE IT, THE WATER FLOWS IS AT THE BASE. AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THIS NORTH TEXAS BLACK STICKY CLAY THAT WE HAVE FILLS UP WITH TRASH AND LEAVES AND BRANCHES. AND SO IT FILLS UP AND IT IT DOESN'T DRAIN. AND SO THE FIRST TIME THEY DRAINED IT WAS FEBRUARY 27TH, 26TH. IT IMMEDIATELY FILLED BACK UP. AND SO WE WERE UPSET. WE CALLED THE HOA. THEY WEREN'T AWARE OF THE WILDLIFE THAT WAS IMPACTED. AND SO THAT'S THE MAIN THING I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS POND, THIS DETENTION POND WENT UNKEPT AND KIND OF NEGLECTED AND WASN'T ATTENDED TO FOR YEARS. AND SO NATURE DOES WHAT NATURE DOES. IT BECAME THIS LIKE LITTLE OASIS. 
          THERE'S A WALKWAY AROUND IT, AND NOT ONLY MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND IT ALL USE IT. WE'VE SEEN GRAY FOX, THERE'S CANADIAN GEESE, THERE'S MALLARDS. I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO BE A BIRD EXPERT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THEM. BUT THERE ARE SO MANY UNIQUE FISH, BIRDS, WILDLIFE THAT ARE HERE AT THIS POND AND WE ALL JUST LOVE IT. AND SO WE WERE ALL VERY UPSET WHEN IT DRAINED. FORTUNATELY, IT FILLED BACK UP. AND THEN THIS PAST MONDAY, NOT YESTERDAY, BUT LAST MONDAY, JULY 7TH, WE CAME HOME FROM WORK AND THEY HAD DRAINED IT AGAIN AND IT WAS COMPLETELY, COMPLETELY DRAINED THIS TIME. AT THE TIME WE HAD A FAMILY OF CANADIAN GEESE WITH FIVE GOSLINGS. MORE IMPORTANTLY, THERE'S TWO BEAVERS. THIS IS BABY BEAVER SEASON AND SO THERE'S TWO BEAVERS. THEY HAVE A STRUCTURE OUT THERE. IT'S JUST SAD. MY HOA HAS SAID THAT THEY'VE SPENT $75,000 TRYING TO DRAIN THIS POND, AND IT KEEPS DOING. RIGHT NOW IT'S FULL. AND SO THE HANG UP SEEMS TO BE LIKE A DETENTION VERSUS RETENTION POND. I KNOW I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME. THE AMOUNT OF FISH THAT HAVE DIED. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SHOW YOU 
          THIS. IT'S JUST TRAGIC. >> CAN WE HAVE THE DOCUMENT CAMERA. 
          >> THE FISH THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED. THOUSANDS OF FISH HAVE DIED. WE LOST A GOOSE THIS WEEK BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO BECAUSE THE WATER IS DOWN. AND SO IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL AGREE SOMETHING WE ALL HAVE IN COMMON IS THAT WE LOVE ANIMALS, WE LOVE OUR WILDLIFE, AND WE LOVE OUR GREEN SPACES. AND SO I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO HELP US FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY. AND WE GET TO KEEP OUR POND. 
          >> OKAY. WE HAVE ONE QUESTION, REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HAVE TO BE REAL CAREFUL WHAT I SAY FOR AN UNSCHEDULED TALK. SO I WILL SIMPLY SAY I HAVE. LET'S LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY. STAFF ARE IN COMMUNICATION WITH MEMBERS OF THE HOA AND THAT IS ONGOING. AND I JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL TO STAY WITHIN THE RULES. SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE, BUT I WANTED TO AT LEAST MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THERE'S NOT ZERO 
          THINGS HAPPENING. >> YES, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE, LIKE I SAID, BENEFICIAL TO PROVIDE SOME MORE CONTEXT. WHAT'S TRUE, WHAT'S NOT TRUE. I KNOW A LOT OF THINGS ARE BEING SAID, BUT. YOU KNOW, SEEING ANIMALS SIT IN THE MUD AND SIT ON THE GROUND AND NOT HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE DRAINED THE 
          [4. CONSENT AGENDA]
          POND. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S OUR LAST SPEAKER. THAT TAKES US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA. I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR EVERYTHING, BUT FOR ITEM H. 
          REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> I MOVE. APPROVAL OF THE 
          CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM H OH, ANOTHER ONE. >> YES. REPRESENTATIVE FROM 
          DISTRICT SIX. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. BUT FOR ITEM H, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE 
          SCREEN. >> MR. MAYOR. >> OH. WHAT? OH. I'M SORRY. 
          [03:30:04]
          MAYOR PRO TEM, I'LL SAY YOU. I. >> AND EVERYONE ELSE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. H THAT PASSES 
          [H. Consider a nomination/appointment to the Denton Police Department Chief of Police Advisory Board.]
SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM H ID 251251. CONSIDER NOMINATION APPOINTING APPOINTMENT TO THE DENTON POLICE TO POLICE DEPARTMENT. CHIEF OF POLICE ADVISORY BOARD. I PULL THIS SEPARATELY. THERE'S NO PRESENTATION. WE DO HAVE A CARD. SO, NICK STEVENS, COME DOWN. 
          YOU'LL HAVE HOW MANY FOR AN INDIVIDUAL? I THINK IT'S THREE MINUTES. CORRECT ME IF I'M 
          WRONG. >> OKAY, WELL, I'LL BE BRIEF. MY NAME IS NICK STEVENS, AND I HATE THAT THIS IS MY SHTICK, BUT IT IS SOMETHING I REALLY CARE ABOUT. I'VE TALKED. I THINK YOU ALL HAVE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT FOR THE PAST YEAR THE DYSFUNCTION OF THIS COUNCIL. AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER HAS SAID TO ME THAT NOT EVERYONE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. 
          AND I TAKE YOUR POINT, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AND MAYBE ONE OTHER PERSON. BUT BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY FRUSTRATES ME BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH SOMETHING RIGHT NOW AGAIN, WHERE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE WEAPONIZING VOTES FOR PEOPLE THAT SHOULD BE ON BOARDS. A LOT OF YOU WILL REMEMBER I WAS HERE A YEAR AGO DEFENDING ERIC GARLAND, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT THERE WERE FOUR PEOPLE ON COUNCIL THAT HAD A CHARACTER ASSASSINATION AGAINST HER AND WANTED TO BULLY HER INSTEAD OF VOTE FOR HER WHEN SHE WAS QUALIFIED FOR THE POSITION. I WANT TO SHARE BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SHARED IT PUBLICLY. AFTER I DID THAT, WHAT HAPPENED? THERE WERE A FEW VOLUNTEERS FOR SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO POSTED THINGS ONLINE, LIKE MY ADDRESS, SO THAT PEOPLE COULD BULLY ME. THERE WERE PEOPLE SAYING, QUOTE, NICK IS THE WORST PERSON IN DENTON POLITICS. THERE'S ANOTHER PERSON THAT SAID DENTON WILL BE BETTER OFF WHEN NICK IS DEAD. I GIVE COUNCIL MEMBER BECK SOME CREDIT BECAUSE HE CAME TO MY DEFENSE WHEN THAT DID HAPPEN. 
          BUT THE KIND OF DYSFUNCTION THAT HAPPENS ON THIS COUNCIL, I THINK, REALLY LEADS TO OTHER PEOPLE BEING HURT. AND IT FRUSTRATES ME. I BELIEVE IN CONSISTENCY, AND IN THE SAME WAY THAT I BELIEVED THAT MISS GARLAND WAS QUALIFIED FOR THAT POSITION. AND WE HAVE TO KIND OF GET AWAY FROM THESE PETTY POLITICS. I FEEL THE SAME ABOUT THE NOMINEE FOR THE POLICE ADVISORY BOARD. HE IS VERY QUALIFIED FOR THE POSITION. HE'LL DO A GREAT JOB AND I'LL DO ONE BETTER FOR YOU. SOME OF YOU MIGHT KNOW I RAN FOR COUNCIL ONE TIME AND HE HAPPENED TO BE AN AVID SUPPORTER OF MY OPPONENT. SO TAKE IT FROM ME, IF I THINK HE SHOULD DO A GOOD JOB AND WILL DO A GOOD JOB, I THINK ALL OF YOU COULD GET ON BOARD WITH SUPPORTING HIM. BACK WHEN MISS GARLAND WAS VOTED ON, GREG JOHNSON ACTUALLY SPOKE UP HERE AND SAID I COULD TELL HE WAS FRUSTRATED. AND HE SAID, AT THE END OF THE DAY, SOMEONE HAS TO BE THE BIGGER MAN. AND I'M JUST ASKING THAT TONIGHT. THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD BE TALKING ABOUT. AND I REALLY DO FEEL THIS, LIKE IN MY SOUL THAT SO MUCH OF THIS DYSFUNCTION IS NOT ACTUALLY ABOUT POLITICS. IT'S ABOUT LIKE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE WITH HOW INTERPERSONAL COMMUNICATION WORKS AND HOW TO TREAT PEOPLE AND DO SO WITH RESPECT. AND SO IT MIGHT NOT BE A BIG DEAL TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. BUT FOR ME, THIS IS AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THAT YOU APPROVE THE NOMINATION 
          OF MR. PORTER FOR THIS BOARD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. SO FULL DISCLOSURE, FULL DISCLOSURE, I PULLED THIS. AND FOR THIS REASON, I JUST WANTED THIS IS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THEY GO TOGETHER AND IN THE WORK SESSION, PEOPLE AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION. AND SO I JUST NEED THE CITY MANAGER TO KNOW I NEED THE CHIEF OF POLICE TO KNOW THAT I HAVE CONCERNS. I YOU DON'T YOU CAN DO A QUICK INTERNET SEARCH AND FIND LOTS OF THINGS, LOTS OF NEGATIVE THINGS THAT THIS APPLICANT HAS SAID ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE. HE HE HE IS NOT SHY. 
          IN HIS WORDS, A QUICK DIDN'T RECORD CHRONICLES. SEARCH ON COMMENTS AND YOU'LL FIND PLENTY OF THEM. I DON'T I DON'T HAVE TO ARTICULATE THOSE. I DON'T HAVE TO DISPLAY THOSE. BUT I DO WANT THE CHIEF OF POLICE TO KNOW BECAUSE SHE IS NONPOLITICAL AND THEY'RE JUST DOING THEIR JOB TO KNOW, HEY, BE VERY MINDFUL OF THE CONVERSATIONS YOU HAVE WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE THEY ARE LIKELY OR COULD BE WEAPONIZED. NOW, IS THAT UNIQUE FROM ANYONE ELSE? NO, BUT THIS PARTICULAR PERSON HAS A LONG HISTORY. AGAIN, JUST A QUICK SEARCH AND YOU'LL FIND ALL THE MEAN THINGS HE SAID TO PEOPLE. OR, YOU KNOW, HE AND CHIEF AMONGST THOSE ARE HIS COMING TO THE DEFENSE OF COUNCILMEMBER BECK WHEN HE CALLED 911 BECAUSE OF SOMETHING I SAID HERE. THEN HE WENT AND I POSTED THAT, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT WAS A PROBLEM. SO HE HAS A HISTORY, A RECENT HISTORY OF TAKING ISSUE WITH THINGS THAT ARE DONE THAT HE DOESN'T LIKE. AND I WANT THE POLICE CHIEF TO 
          [03:35:05]
KNOW BUYER BEWARE. THAT'S ALL. AND I COULD NOT AGREE MORE THAT EVERYONE DESERVES TO SERVE. BUT NOT EVERYONE FOLLOWS ALONG WITH ALL THE HATEFUL STATEMENTS. AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE DENTON TOGETHER COMMENTS AND ALL THE STUFF THAT THEY DID TO PEOPLE HERE. I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT. I TOO HOPE THAT WE MOVE ABOVE THAT. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND I CAN'T PRETEND AS THOUGH THOSE THINGS DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND SO I RAISE THOSE ISSUES, AND THEN I ALSO RAISE ISSUE THAT GOING FORWARD, I WOULD PREFER THAT IF AN APPLICANT GOES BY BILLY AND IS APPLICATION, SAYS DONALD, I THINK THAT JUST OUT OF COURTESY, LIKE I SAID, IF I LISTED MY MIDDLE NAME AS DAVID HUDSPETH, THAT'D BE, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT THAT DOESN'T PRESENT WELL, YOU SHOULD USE YOUR NAME OR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AND THAT'S MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE. I AM ONE PERSON. I DON'T SPEAK FOR THE BODY. SO WITH THAT REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          TWO, YOU CAN MAKE YOUR MOTION. >> I MOVE APPROVAL. >> IS THERE A SECOND 
          REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. >> I BELIEVE SECOND. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MAYOR PRO TEM, HOW SAY YOU? I EVERYONE ELSE VOTE ON VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WAS HAS BEEN POSTPONED. TILL AUGUST 19TH. AND THEN THAT TAKES US TO OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING. IS THAT WHAT I NEED TO DO? OKAY, SO LET ME OPEN. SO I'LL CALL IT OPEN IT 
          [A. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding a change in the zoning district and use classification from Residential 2 (R-2) District to a Mixed-Use Neighborhood (MN) District on approximately 1.09 acres of land generally located on the north side of West University Drive between Willow Lane and Cottonwood Lane in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official zoning map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted 6-0 to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Pruett and second by Commissioner McDuff.  (Z25-0007a, Kalyans, Julie Wyatt) THIS ITEM HAS BEEN POSTPONED UNTIL THE AUGUST 19, 2025, CITY COUNCIL MEETING]
AND THEN POSTPONE IT. SO THIS IS ITEM 5AZ250007A. AND IT'S HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, REGARDING A CHANGE TO THE ZONING DISTRICT AND USE CLASSIFICATION FROM RESIDENTIAL TO DISTRICT TO MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT ON APPROXIMATELY 1.09 ACRES OF LAND. AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND POSTPONE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN OF. AUGUST 19TH, 2025. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM BEFORE I. 
          OKAY, GREAT THEN. YEAH. SO WE'LL MOVE IT. WE'LL MOVE THAT TO 9TH AUGUST 19TH, 2025. AND SO LEAVE 
          [B. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas regarding a request for a Specific Use Permit to allow for a Multi-family Residential Use on approximately 4.115 acres of land, generally located on the east side of Fallmeadow Street, fifteen feet east of the northern intersection of Gardenview Circle and Fallmeadow Street, in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s Official Zoning Map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing for severability; and establishing an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [6-0] to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Riggs and second by Commissioner McDuff. (S25-0002a, Palladium Denton West, Sean Jacobson)]
IT OPEN. PERFECT. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM B WHICH IS S250002A. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS REGARDING A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE ON APPROXIMATELY 4.115 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF FALL MEADOW STREET, FIFTH, 15FT EAST OF THE NORTHERN 
          INTERSECTION OF GARDEN VIEW CIRCLE AND FALL MEADOW STREET. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL SHAWN JACOBSON, ASSOCIATE PLANNER HERE TO PRESENT S 25 0002A PALLADIUM DENTON WEST. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A MULTI-FAMILY USE ON APPROXIMATELY 4.1 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF MEADOW STREET, THE INTERSECTION OF GARDEN VIEW AND FALL MEADOW. THE ZONING HERE IS RESIDENTIAL 7R7, AND THE FUTURE LAND USE IS MODERATE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THE R SEVEN ZONING DOES PERMIT THE MULTIFAMILY USE WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. SO YOUR TASK TONIGHT WILL BE TO DETERMINE IF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT MEETS OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR MULTIFAMILY IN THIS LOCATION. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THEIR SITE PLAN. I DO WANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DETAILS. JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST PROJECT THAT WILL BE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE DDC SECTION 212 AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCENTIVES THAT CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED LAST FALL. AS A QUICK REMINDER, THE INTENT OF THAT WAS THAT BASED ON A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSING A CERTAIN LEVEL OF AFFORDABILITY, A NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS, THEY'D BE ELIGIBLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF CERTAIN INCENTIVES IN THE FORM OF FLEXIBILITY IN MEETING DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE STANDARDS. SO BASED ON HOW MANY UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING YOU'RE PROVIDING, YOU COULD HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF INCENTIVES. IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING 81 OF THEIR 120 UNITS AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND SO THEY'RE ELIGIBLE BASED ON OUR CRITERIA FOR THREE INCENTIVES. SO AS WE GO THROUGH, I WILL NOTE WHERE THEY'VE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF ONE OF THOSE INCENTIVES, HOW IT IMPACTED THE SITE PLAN OR THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. I WILL MENTION AFFORDABILITY IS NOT ONE OF OUR CRITERIA, SO WE DON'T WANT TO FOCUS TOO MUCH ON THAT. BUT I 
          [03:40:03]
WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF HOW THOSE INCENTIVES DID IMPACT THE PROPOSED DESIGN. SO THIS IS A MULTIFAMILY BUILDING CONTAINING 120 RESIDENCES, THREE STORIES. THE APPROXIMATE HEIGHT IS 47FT. 
          THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL SEVEN FEET IN THERE ABOVE THE NORMAL MAXIMUM OF 40 THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE BECAUSE OF ONE OF THOSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCENTIVES, THEY'RE PROPOSING 169 PARKING SPACES. I'LL POINT OUT THERE IS ONLY ONE ROW OF PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. AFTER DISCUSSION WITH STAFF, THEY AGREED THAT IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO LIMIT PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. PART OF THE REASON THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT IS THEIR SECOND INCENTIVE, WHICH IS THAT THEY'RE AFFORDABLE. HOUSING UNITS WILL BE PROVIDING ONE PARKING SPACE PER UNIT. THAT'S ONE OF THE FLEXIBILITY ELEMENTS THEY WERE ALLOWED. WITH THIS. THEY ARE PROVIDING OPEN SPACE ABOVE AND BEYOND OUR MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF 8%. AND WITHIN THAT THEY WILL HAVE PLAYGROUND, POOL, GRILL AREA AND DOG PARK FOR THE RESIDENTS. THEY WILL HAVE A REQUIRED TWO ACCESS DRIVES, AND THEY'LL BE CONSTRUCTING TEN FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK, WHICH WILL CONNECT TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK NETWORK TO THE SOUTH. I WANT TO SPECIFICALLY DISCUSS THE SETBACK HERE. SO IT WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS IS A TALLER BUILDING, MANY IN THE AREA, TO HAVE IT SET BACK FROM THE STREET, SO IT'S LESS VISUALLY IMPOSING FOR THE NEIGHBORS. AT THE SAME TIME, AFTER DISCUSSION WITH STAFF WE DID HAVE, THEY DID BRING IT SOMEWHAT CLOSE TO THE STREET SO THAT IT DOESN'T FEEL TOO ISOLATED. SO IT REALLY WAS A MATTER OF FINDING THAT BALANCE BETWEEN SETBACK ENOUGH, BUT NOT SO FAR THAT IT SEEMED LIKE I& WAS ON AN ISLAND. THEY ALSO PROVIDED, YOU'LL SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THERE. I'VE NOTED IN BLUE THE SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS. THEY'RE PROVIDING MORE CONNECTIONS THAN WOULD NORMALLY BE REQUIRED, BECAUSE THAT'S MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE PATTERN OF SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS IN ON THE STREET TO THE SOUTH THERE. SO AGAIN, FINDING WAYS TO BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SIMILARLY WITH THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, YOU'LL SEE IT'S NOT THE FLAT ROOFS THAT WE IN SOME SEE. IN SOME CASES IT'S THE ANGLED ROOFS TO BETTER ALIGN WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA. THE DUPLEX ACROSS THE STREET. DURING THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THEY ARE MEETING AND EXCEEDING OUR MINIMUM LANDSCAPE AND TREE CANOPY STANDARDS AND PROVIDING THE REQUIRED STREET TREES. YOU'LL NOTE THE AREAS IN YELLOW. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, BUT ON THE NORTH, EAST AND SOUTH SIDES THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS CONFRONTED WITH EASEMENTS EITHER EXISTING THAT WERE REQUIRED THAT MADE IT HARDER TO MEET OUR NORMAL LANDSCAPE STANDARDS. 
          BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF FLEXIBILITY AND LANDSCAPE DESIGN IN TWO WAYS. 
          THAT THIRD INCENTIVE, THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO SOMEWHAT REDUCE THEIR REQUIRED LANDSCAPING WITHIN THEIR PARKING LOT. SO DOING ONE ELEMENT OF PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING INSTEAD OF TWO, ALSO, JUST ALONG THEIR FRONTAGE, THEY'RE USING AN ALTERNATIVE LANDSCAPE PLAN. AGAIN, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO PROPOSE RELOCATING SOME OF THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPING. IF THEY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS REQUIRED. SO IN STAFF SUPPORTING THAT ALTERNATIVE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THEY'RE PROVIDING SOME DIFFERENT SCREENING ELEMENTS THAN OUR STANDARD IN ORDER TO PROVIDE MORE SPACE FOR THEIR STREET TREES TO THRIVE. AND AS PART OF GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND, THEY'RE MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THAT PLANTING ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY IS NON TURFS. THAT'S GOING TO BE SHRUBS AND DECORATIVE GRASSES INSTEAD OF JUST GRASS. THEY'RE WE ARE ALSO GETTING SOME RELOCATED PARKING. ISLANDS NEED TO BE MOVED OUT OF EASEMENTS. 
          AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING KIND OF ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE WOULD HAVE NORMALLY RECEIVED IN TERMS OF ISLANDS, IN EXCHANGE FOR BEING ABLE TO RELOCATE SOME OF THEM OUTSIDE OF EASEMENTS WHERE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN PERMITTED ANYWAY. SO WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. THIS PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WITH OUR FUTURE LAND USE AREA. SO MODERATE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FOR THIS AREA WILL BE CONTINUING TO BE IN LINE WITH THE DENSITY RECOMMENDED BY OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THAT FUTURE LAND USE. I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH OTHER APPLICABLE PLANS. WE DON'T ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S IMPORTANT. CITY OF DENTON DID AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEEDS ANALYSIS, AND WHAT THAT DID WAS LOOK AT OUR CITY AND SAY, WHERE SHOULD WE BE TARGETING OUR INCENTIVES? WHERE ARE THOSE AREAS? AND IT IDENTIFIED AREAS WHERE YOU HAD MORE STABILITY, MORE INVESTMENT, HIGHER INCOMES, WHERE IT WAS HARDER TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO THESE ARE THE AREAS YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS. IT'S AN AREA WHERE WE'RE ENCOURAGED TO PROVIDE THAT THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS ALSO GOES ALONG WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS RECOMMENDATION THAT WE NOT ALLOW AFFORDABLE HOUSING BE CLUSTERED IN CERTAIN AREAS AND CREATE SOCIOECONOMIC SEGREGATION. THIS HELPS US AVOID THAT BY PUTTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN AREAS WHERE IT'S HARD TO GET ON BALANCE. IT'S ALSO HELPFUL, THOUGH, TO NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS OUT OF STEP WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          SO AROUND THIS LOT IS MULTIFAMILY, HIGH DENSITY DUPLEXES, QUADPLEXES. ANOTHER MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS ACTUALLY VERY IN LINE WITH HOW THIS AREA HAS DEVELOPED. I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT JUST THE WALKABILITY ADVANTAGE OF THIS LOCATION. SO I'VE IDENTIFIED ON THE MAP THEY'RE WITHIN A TEN MINUTE WALK. YOU HAVE EVERS PARK ELEMENTARY, EVERS PARK, AND THEN WITHIN A 20 MINUTE WALK, THE NORTH BRANCH LIBRARY. SO THIS IS HELPING TO FORWARD OUR GOALS OF GREATER WALKABILITY WITHIN THE CITY BY PROVIDING HOUSING HERE. OVERALL, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS GONE OUT OF WAY TO AVOID GENERATING SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACTS. 
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UTILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE WE NEED ARE ALREADY PRESENT. SO OVERALL, THIS IS MEETING OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. WE DID OUR STANDARD PUBLIC OUTREACH AND DID RECEIVE NINE RESPONSES IN OPPOSITION FROM ONE PROPERTY OWNER. NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WERE HELD, TWO BY THE APPLICANT, AND OVERALL THE ONE I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND. THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS EXPRESSED, JUST QUESTIONS KIND OF ABOUT THE PROCESS, THE LEVEL OF AFFORDABILITY. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE. THEY'LL HAVE A CHANCE. THEY'LL PRESENT AND BE PRESENT AND ANSWER QUESTIONS. BUT TAKEN ALL TOGETHER, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED IN YOUR BACKUP AGENDA, AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL 6 TO 0 WITH THE CONDITIONS STAFF RECOMMENDED. SO WITH THAT, THAT'S MY PRESENTATION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. 
          AND AS I NOTED, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION. 
          >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE ACCESS. IF YOU USE. FALL MEADOW YOU COULD HAVE TWO ONTO THAT ROAD. BUT IT'S A YOU RIGHT. IT ALL COMES BACK TO CONNECTS. HOW DOES STAFF LOOK AT THAT. EVALUATE THAT FROM A ACCESS COMPONENT. 
          >> YEAH. SO WE DID LOOK AT THAT PRETTY CLOSELY AND DETERMINED THAT DOES MEET OUR OUR STANDARDS FOR ACCESSIBILITY IS TWO ACCESS POINTS. WE DID DISCUSS THAT WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THEY DID DESIGN THE SITE. SO IN HOPES THAT THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE AN ADDITIONAL EMERGENCY ACCESS IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, THAT IS THEY'VE THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO THEIR NEIGHBOR TO SEE IF PERHAPS THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO HAVING THAT, BUT THEY'RE AT LEAST PROPOSING TO DESIGN THEIR SITE TO MAKE POSSIBLE A THIRD EMERGENCY ACCESS POINT. IF THEY WERE AT SOME POINT ABLE TO REACH AN AGREEMENT WITH THEIR NEIGHBOR. BUT THIS DOES MEET OUR ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS IN THE 
          DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY. SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LET'S SEE. FOR THIS ONE. YEAH B AND OKAY. OKAY. SO WE DO HAVE A CARD FOR THE APPLICANT. IS THAT MAXWELL. YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU'LL HAVE. IS IT TEN 
          MINUTES FOR ONE. >> OKAY. >> OKAY I THINK THIS IS A MAYOR. 
          >> COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS MAXWELL FISHER WITH ZONE DEV, 2502 GRANDVIEW DRIVE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS, 75080 REPRESENTING PALLADIUM USA. WE ARE EXCITED TO PRESENT THIS PROJECT TO AS THE FIRST ONE WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED WITH THE CITY. IF THERE'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT TO APPROVE, IT'S THIS DEVELOPER. I'VE WORKED WITH THIS DEVELOPER THROUGH SEVERAL PROJECTS, AND THEY WERE ONE OF THE BEST AFFORDABLE AND MARKET RATE DEVELOPERS AROUND. PALLADIUM IS A PRIVATELY OWNED GLOBAL REAL ESTATE COMPANY. 
          THEY'RE ACTUALLY NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS IS IN DALLAS FORT WORTH. NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE AN EXCELLENT DEVELOPMENT TEAM, THEY ALSO MANAGE THEIR OWN IN-HOUSE MANAGEMENT. SO THIS IS NOT A MERCHANT BUILDER. THIS IS NOT EVEN A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER THAT HAS A THIRD PARTY MANAGEMENT. THEY MANAGE IN-HOUSE. SO WHAT YOU SEE AND WHAT IT'S COMMITTED TO AT THE HEARING IS WHAT YOU'LL GET. AND NOT ONLY THAT, BECAUSE IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE FINANCIAL STRUCTURE IS SUCH THAT THEY HAVE TO OWN THE PROPERTY FOR DECADES. SO THE SAME PEOPLE, AS LONG AS THEY'RE STILL AROUND, ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT TODAY ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WILL BE THERE FROM A MANAGEMENT AND OWNERSHIP. SO THERE ARE LONG TERM OWNER, THERE IS A EXISTING DEVELOPMENT IN DENTON. IT'S AT 1255 POINSETTIA AND NORTHEAST SECTOR OF DENTON HAS 150 APARTMENT HOMES. IT ALSO HAS AFFORDABILITY WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. IT'S 97% OCCUPIED AND THERE'S 273 WAITING TO GET INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT. MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS WOULD ACTUALLY COME TO HEARINGS WHEN NEEDED TO SPEAK. THAT'S WHEN WE ASK THEM. THAT'S HOW MUCH THEY LOVE LIVING IN A IN A PALLADIUM DEVELOPMENT. SEAN AND STAFF HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB IN GUIDING US THROUGH THIS, THIS PROCESS WITH SOME EXCELLENT RECOMMENDATIONS. I'LL JUST GO OVER SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS. WE HAVE AMENITIES IN OUR INTERIOR COURTYARD, OUR CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND. WE HAVE A DOG PARK IN SHADE STRUCTURE. IT'S ALSO A SWIMMING POOL, COVERED PAVILION AND GRILLS. INSIDE WE HAVE PLAYGROUND, FITNESS CENTER, PLAY ROOM, CLUB ROOM. HERE'S SOME OF OUR OUR PHOTOS OF THOSE. THE CHILDREN'S PLAYROOM ACTUALLY IS INTERACTIVE. YOU CAN STEP ON THE MIDDLE OF THAT FLOOR AND IT WILL LIGHT UP. A LOT OF OUR KIDS LOVE THAT THAT FEATURE PLAYGROUND. 
          HERE ARE SOME OF OUR NICE FINISHES OF MRS. PALLADIUM. EMBRY AND GARLAND HAS OUR FITNESS CENTER, CLUB ROOM, BUSINESS CENTER, SOME MORE PICTURES OF THE AMENITIES. ONE 
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OF THE THINGS THAT ALSO SETS THEM APART IS THEIR BECOME A FIXTURE FOR THE RESIDENTS. THEY HAVE SEVERAL SUPPORT, ENHANCES THE LIVES OF THE RESIDENTS THEY PARTNER WITH. OPERATION COMMUNITY CARE FINANCIAL LITERACY CLASSES, FULLY STOCKED PANTRY THAT SOMEONE COULD USE, AND IF THEY GET INTO A PINCH, HOMEOWNERSHIP CLASSES, AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS, MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS, THANKSGIVING, TURKEY DONATIONS, THE LIST GOES ON OF THINGS. THE WAYS THEY THEY GIVE BACK TO THE RESIDENTS AND ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY. WE DID. WE DID HOLD TWO MEETINGS. IT INCLUDED A MEETING IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY AT THE DENTON PUBLIC LIBRARY. WE DIDN'T HAVE OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. I THERE WERE A FEW THAT ATTENDED AND EVERYONE HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE. WE ALSO PASSED OUT FLIERS AND WENT DOOR TO DOOR. HERE'S A 3D RENDERING OF THE SITE FROM FALL MEADOW. WILL BE DEDICATING 7.5FT OF RIGHT OF WAY AS WELL, PROVIDING A TEN FOOT SIDEWALK TO MEET IN COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR TRAIL PLAN. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE ARCHITECTURE. WE HAVE A NICE INVITING FRONT. OUR CLUBHOUSE IS IN THE CENTRAL PORTION OF THE CENTRAL PORTION OF THE FRONT GROUND FLOOR. 
          THERE, STAFF HAD A GOOD IDEA OF TRYING TO COMING UP WITH A MASSING EXHIBIT TO SHOW HOW A THREE STORY BUILDING WOULD FIT IN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND IT. YOU CAN SEE THE TWO STORY APARTMENTS IN THE FOREGROUND AND THEN THE PROPERTY SECTION TO THE WEST. THEY LOOK LIKE SINGLE FAMILY, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DUPLEXES. SO THIS IS A FAIRLY DENSE AREA. YOU CAN SEE OUR BUILDING IS NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING DOWN AND BEING LARGE AND MASSING OVER THE DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE A SMALL A VERY SLIGHT VARIANCE, BUT WE FEEL LIKE THE VARIANCE IS ASKED FOR. WE'RE PROVIDING A SUPERIOR PRODUCT AND THAT YOU HAVE A LITTLE HIGHER CEILINGS, A LITTLE MORE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND THE ROOF HEIGHT. SO WE'D ASK YOU TO SUM UP, WE'D ASK YOU TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST. WE BELIEVE THAT PALLADIUM WILL DELIVER A BEST IN CLASS DEVELOPMENT. 
          THERE'LL BE A LONG TERM PARTNER WITH THE CITY. THEY'LL BE HERE FOR YEARS TO COME. IF APPROVED. 
          IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY. THIS IS A TRUE RESIDENTIAL INFILL. IT'S BEEN ZONED FOR OUR SEVEN HASN'T DEVELOPED WITH THE WITH THE LESS DENSE PRODUCT. IT WOULD HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT. BUT WITH THE ADJACENCIES OF MULTIFAMILY AROUND IT AND THE DUPLEXES NEXT DOOR, WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE AND THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          AND, AND WILL BE A GREAT TAXPAYER OF THE CITY HERE. IT'S ALSO WELL DESIGNED. IT'S PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. WITH THE HELP OF STAFF. THIS WILL EXPAND THE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING GOALS THAT YOU HAVE SET IN PLACE. 
          RECENTLY. COUNCIL DID APPROVE THE RESOLUTION RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT IN FEBRUARY. WE WOULD ASK YOU TO FOLLOW THAT SAME MOTION WITH A WITH A SUPPORT HERE, AND ALSO FOLLOW THE PLANNING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF SUPPORT AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALSO HAVE TWO TWO TEAM MEMBERS HERE WITH PALLADIUM TO ANSWER 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON. UNABLE TO ANSWER. THANK YOU. >> OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE 
          APPLICANT? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. >> HI COUNCILPERSON JESTER. AND THIS IS NOT NEW TO US. WE HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE GOOD COMMUNICATION AND LAYING THE GROUNDWORK. IT JUST LOOKS REALLY AMAZING. IS THERE GOING TO BE OFFICE 
          MANAGEMENT STAFFED AT THE FACILITY OR HOW IS MANAGEMENT? >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE TEAM THAT'S LOCAL IN DALLAS. BUT THEN OF COURSE EVERY FACILITY WILL HAVE A MANAGER THAT WILL MANAGE OVER THE OTHER EMPLOYEES THAT WILL BE THERE. YEAH. DURING THE DAYTIME HOURS. 
          YES. >> GREAT, GREAT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU FOR THE 
          PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          FIVE. >> I'M LOOKING AT THE MATERIALS THAT STAFF PROVIDED US IN THE, IN THE IN OUR BACKUP HERE. IS THIS PROPERTY GOING TO BE FENCED IN. 
          >> YES. WE'VE WE WE'RE PROPOSING AN ORNAMENTAL FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY. THERE'S SOME THERE WERE SOME CHALLENGES WITH UTILITIES. AND SO WE HAD TO WORK WITH THAT TYPE OF FENCING. BUT WE DO PLAN ON FENCING IT IN. BUT WE, WE WOULD LIKE I THINK THAT IT'S WRITTEN IT'S AN OPTION. SO THAT WAY IF THERE'S SOME CONFLICT IN THE FUTURE WITH UTILITIES, IT COULD BE REMOVED. 
          BUT WE LIKE TO SEE ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES ARE FENCED IN. >> OKAY. ASSUMING THAT IT WILL BE HOPING THAT IT WILL BE. I KNOW IT'S HERE BECAUSE I READ IT IN THE BACKUP. CAN YOU JUST 
          POINT OUT FOR ME THE PEDESTRIAN POINTS OF ACCESS? >> YES. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S 
          SOMETHING OVER THERE. >> IF YOU DON'T MIND, THERE SHOULD BE THREE OF THEM, RIGHT, 
          SEAN? >> YES, SIR. >> THERE IS. I DIDN'T SEE THE 
          SAME THING ON THE. >> DID YOU ALL SEE HIM? >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THE JAW COLUMN. >> THANK YOU. AND MAKE. >> PEDESTRIAN POINTS. 
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          >> IT'S NOT SHARING THE ROAD. >> THERE IT GOES. >> SO THE OTHER ONE, IS THAT IT? 
          THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. >> NOPE. WRONG WAY. YEAH. SO WE HAVE THREE POINTS OF ACCESS. 
          STAFF ACTUALLY HAD US CONNECT. YOU COULD SEE THE THERE'S SOME PEDESTRIAN OR SOME ENHANCED PAVING. YOU CAN SEE THAT RUNS AT THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTHWEST CORNERS OF THE BUILDING THAT CONNECTS TO FALL MEADOW. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO ONE IN THE CENTER THAT WOULD CONNECT TO THE CLUBHOUSE. SO WE'VE WE HAVE REALLY GOOD PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO GET TO THE STREET. AND THEN ALSO THERE'S A BREEZEWAY AT THE NORTH WEST CORNER. SO THAT WAY IT'S GATED. BUT THAT ALLOWS SOMEONE TO GO INTO THE COURTYARD WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE 
          CLUBHOUSE. THAT'S GATED. >> SO THERE'S ACTUALLY FOUR. >> THREE, THREE TO THE STREET, 
          BUT THE FOURTH ONE INTO THE BUILDING. >> YEAH. 
          >> OH, THE FOURTH GOES IN OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> ACTUALLY IT'S TWO INTO THE BUILDING. WELL THERE'S THREE INTO THE BUILDING BUT AND BUT TWO TO THE THREE TO THE STREET. 
          YEAH. >> DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE MOUSE THERE. YEAH. CAN YOU POINT 
          THEM OUT WITH THE MOUSE IF YOU DON'T MIND. >> SURE. 
          >> WELL IT'S A LITTLE SENSITIVE RIGHT HERE. THERE'S ONE AND THEN THERE'S THE SECOND ONE AND. 
          >> OKAY THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE OKAY. >> THAT CONNECTS TO THE TEN FOOT 
          SIDEWALK THAT WE'RE BUILDING ALONG. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. MAYOR. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE. 
          ALSO, I HAVE A CARD FOR WAYNE. IF YOU WANT TO COME DOWN, YOU'LL HAVE. SOME NUMBER OF MINUTES. 
          THREE. FOUR. THREE. THREE. IT IS. >> THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'LL BE BRIEF. WAYNE BURGDORF, 3000 RACE STREET, FORT WORTH, TEXAS. SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THIS CASE. 
          BY TRADE, I'M A REAL ESTATE BROKER. REAL ESTATE BROKER. BUT I'M ALSO A REAL ESTATE INVESTOR. 
          I'M PART OF THE OWNERSHIP ENTITY IN THE SITE, WHICH IS MSW PARTNERS, LLC. WE'VE OWNED THE SITE SEVERAL YEARS AS INVESTORS. WE'RE NOT DEVELOPERS. WE DON'T DO ANYTHING VERTICAL. OUR GOAL IS TO DETERMINE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF A SITE, AND THEN FIND THE RIGHT DEVELOPER WHO CAN TAKE IT AND RUN WITH IT. WE RECOGNIZE REAL EARLY IN OUR OWNERSHIP THAT THIS TYPE OF TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENT WAS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE SITE, AND WE HAD SEVERAL DEVELOPERS INTERESTED. WE INTERVIEWED ALL OF THEM, AND WE CHOSE PALLADIUM. THEY THEY WERE THE CREAM OF THE CROP. THEIR PROFESSIONALISM IS OBVIOUS. THEIR REPUTATION IS STRONG. THEY HAVE CITY OF DENTON EXPERIENCE AS THEY SHOWED YOU, AS WELL AS GOOD REPUTATION IN ALL OF ALL OF DFW AND NORTH TEXAS. PERSONALLY, I SUPPORT THIS HOUSING TYPE FOR MANY REASONS. FIRST OF ALL, IT PROVIDES QUALITY HOUSING AT ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE MARKET RENT FOR THE OCCUPANTS, SO IT PROVIDES THEM A DISCOUNT, BUT A HIGH QUALITY OF UNIT. THE OCCUPANTS MUST HAVE JOBS OR SOME TYPE OF INCOME. SO THEY'RE THE FIREFIGHTERS. THEY'RE THE POLICE. THEY'RE THE NURSES, THE SERVERS, THE TEACHERS, THE RETIREES THAT ARE ON A PENSION. 
          THEY THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, LIVING IN TOWN, WORKING IN TOWN, CONTRIBUTING TO THE CITY, AND THEREFORE THEY STAY IN THE CITY, AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, THEY HAVE TO OWN THIS SITE A LONG TIME. SO THEY'RE NOT MERCHANT DEVELOPERS THAT FILL IT UP, SELL IT AND LEAVE TOWN. THEY'RE HERE FOR DECADES, THE HIGH QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION IS OBVIOUS IN THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS THAT'S REWARDED IN THE TAX CREDIT PROCESS. THERE'S ALSO LONG TERM STABILITY DUE TO COMPLIANCE AUDITS THAT THE STATE AND OTHERS DO TO MAKE SURE THE TENANTS ARE QUALIFIED TO STAY IN THERE AND THAT THE MAINTENANCE IS DONE AND UP TO STANDARDS. SO AND THEN JUST FROM A MACRO LEVEL, IT WORKS TOWARDS ADDRESSING THE HOUSING SHORTAGE WE HAVE ON A NATIONAL BASIS. SO IF THIS IS DEVELOPED AS PROPOSED, IT'S A GREAT BENEFIT TOWARD THESE WORKING TENANTS. AND THE CITY GREATLY BENEFITS AS YOUR LOCAL EMPLOYEES ARE LIVING IN TOWN AND SHOPPING IN TOWN AND SPENDING DOLLARS IN TOWN AND NOT MOVING OUT FURTHER IN THE COUNTRY WHERE THEY HAVE TO FIND CHEAPER HOUSING. BUT BUT THEY'RE HERE. I WANT TO THANK YOU AS THE CITY. AS A SIDE NOTE, Y'ALL HAVE BEEN 
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THE CITY OF DENTON HAS BEEN VERY RECEPTIVE TO THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, AS SHOWN BY YOUR ORDINANCES, AS SHOWN BY PNC, AS SHOWN BY THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. I PERSONALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS. AND SO REALLY THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I'LL BE BRIEF. JUST WANT 
          TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. >> OKAY. I JUST WANT TO SAY ARE THESE QUESTIONS FOR THE FOR THE SPEAKER IS THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          FOUR. >> AND BEFORE YOU LEAVE YOU MENTIONED THE RENT. WHAT IS THE 
          RENT? >> I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE DEVELOPMENT. I'LL HAVE THE 
          PALLADIUM FOLKS ADDRESS THAT. >> I JUST REGULARLY WARN PEOPLE I GET IT BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE IT'S THE AFFORDABILITY WAS MENTIONED. IF YOU GO BEYOND PERCENTAGES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF YOU GO REAL NUMBERS, EVERYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU GO RIGHT 
          AHEAD. JUST YOU'VE BEEN WARNED. >> THAT'S OKAY. >> MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M KIM PARKER WITH PALLADIUM USA AND HAD TO MOVE THIS DOWN BECAUSE I'M FOLLOWING A TALL PERSON HERE. OUR PROPERTY, PALLADIUM DENTON WEST WILL WILL BE MADE UP OF 67% OF OUR UNITS WILL BE FROM 30% TO 80% AREA MEDIAN INCOME. AND I'M GOING TO GO OVER WHAT THOSE RENTS ARE IN JUST A MOMENT. AND THEN 32% OF OUR OF OUR UNITS WILL BE AT FULL MARKET. SO WE ARE OFFERING A TRULY MIXED INCOME PRODUCT, WHICH WE THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE LOWER INCOME FAMILIES TO DO WELL. THEY TEND TO DO BETTER. STUDIES HAVE SHOWN WHEN LOWER INCOME FAMILIES ARE LIVING UNDER THE SAME ROOF AS FOLKS THAT ARE MAYBE OF HIGHER INCOME. ON THE RENT SIDE, SINCE YOU ASKED. ARE 30% UNITS, WHICH ARE OUR LOWEST INCOME UNITS, THAT WOULD BE A FAMILY OF FOUR AT $35,000 A YEAR. A ONE BEDROOM WOULD RENT FOR 660. THIS IS THE MAXIMUM RENTS. THESE ARE SET BY THE TDHCA, THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS THAT REGULATES OUR PROGRAM AND ADMINISTERS THE TAX CREDITS. A TWO BEDROOM WOULD GO FOR 792, AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE ADJUSTED EVERY YEAR BASED ON AREA MEDIAN INCOME. AT THE 50% LEVEL, 50% FAMILY WOULD BE, SAY, 60,000 A YEAR FAMILY OF FOUR. THEY CAN RENT A ONE BEDROOM FOR 1100 A MONTH, A TWO BEDROOM FOR 1320 A MONTH, AND I LEFT OFF OUR THREE BEDROOMS, THREE BEDROOM AT 1525 A MONTH. SHALL I CONTINUE? 
          >> THE FAMILY, A FAMILY OF FOUR IN A ONE BEDROOM. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? 
          >> YEAH. THAT WOULDN'T THAT WOULDN'T WORK. YOU CAN'T HAVE A FAMILY OF FOUR RENTING A ONE 
          BEDROOM. >> NOT AT MY HOUSE. >> MACK MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE PER BEDROOM. SO FAMILY OF FOUR COULD COULD RENT A TWO BEDROOM FOR 1320 A MONTH, OR A THREE 
          BEDROOM FOR 1525 A MONTH. THANK YOU FOR STOPPING ME. >> OKAY, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. 
          >> I THINK THAT THAT THAT COVERS YOU, RIGHT? >> WE ALSO HAVE HIGHER INCOME. 
          >> WHAT IS THE FULL WHAT IS THE FULL MARKET? >> A FULL MARKET ON A ON A TWO BEDROOM UNIT COULD GO FOR 2000 A MONTH. A THREE BEDROOM UNIT GO FOR 2300 A MONTH. 
          >> OKAY. VERY GOOD. >> THANK YOU. IT GIVES FAMILIES A BREAK THAT REALLY NEED IT. 
          >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. OH. >> WHAT'S THE MIX? PARDON ME. 
          WHAT'S THE MIX? 30, 50, 60, 80. >> OUR 30% UNITS. THERE'S NINE UNITS AT 30%. WE HAVE 33 UNITS AT 50%, 31 UNITS AT 60%. FIVE UNITS AT 70% AND THREE UNITS AT 80%, 39 AT FULL MARKET. 
          >> THREE UNITS AT 80%. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> OKAY. 
          >> IS THAT IT? >> YEAH. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          SIX. >> HI, COUNCILPERSON JESTER, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS. I MISSED THE FIRST PART OF THE RUNDOWN. WHAT PERCENTAGE IS AT 30% OR HOW 
          MANY ARE AT 30%? >> NINE UNITS AT 30%. >> THANK YOU. THAT WAS MY 
          QUESTION. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OR BEFORE I CLOSE IT. THERE IS A IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF YOU CARE TO SPEAK 
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YOU CAN COME DOWN AND SPEAK. FILL OUT A CARD AFTER THE FACT. SURE. COME ON DOWN. GIVE YOUR 
          NAME. YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PAM SPOONER. IN LIGHT OF THE RECENT EVENTS, TRAGIC EVENTS IN CENTRAL TEXAS, I HAVE NO INTEREST IN THIS PROPERTY. I DON'T REALLY EVEN KNOW WHERE IT IS, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU TO MAKE YOUR DECISION. PART OF WHAT YOU SEE FROM PRESENTATIONS FROM SEAN AND THAT DEPARTMENT IS THAT WHERE IS THE DRAINAGE FOR ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT? WHERE ARE THE RETENTION PONDS, DETENTION PONDS, WHERE THE CULVERTS? I MEAN, THIS THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION. AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBLE THING FOR Y'ALL TO DO TO AMEND YOUR PROCEDURES, TO HAVE THAT PART BE PART OF THE DISCLOSURE OF THE INFORMATION SO YOU CAN MAKE A TRULY INFORMED DECISION. BECAUSE, AS WE ALL KNOW, FEMA DOES NOT COVER ALL PROPERTIES THAT ARE SUBJECT TO FLOOD. SO THAT'S JUST A COMMENT. THANK 
          YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT. 
          >> YES, SIR. >> IT IS MY ASSUMPTION THAT I'VE HEARD IT. I'M GOING TO GET IT 
          WRONG, BUT IT CAN'T GENERATE ADDITIONAL. >> THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. IT WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CIVIL ENGINEERING PLAN PROCESS AND DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE WILL BE NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTY. SO THE DRAINAGE WILL HAVE TO BE 
          COMPLETELY BUTTONED DOWN AND ACCOUNTED FOR. >> BUT THAT'S NOT AT THIS PHASE. 
          >> THAT IS NOT AT THIS PHASE. THAT'S THE CIVIL ENGINEERING PHASE, SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER 
          LEVEL OF ANALYSIS. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. YOU CAN COME DOWN AND SPEAK IF YOU'D LIKE. SEEING NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. 
          >> I THINK WAYNE PUT IT PUT IT PERFECTLY. WHEN YOU CAME DOWN AND TALKED ABOUT THE KIND OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I'M GLAD YOU DID IT SO I DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE. BACK IN FEBRUARY LED THE CHARGE FOR THIS. I WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO TODAY. THIS IS EXACTLY THE DIRECTION THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE GOING. WITH THAT HAPPILY MOVING APPROVAL. 
          >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> YEAH, THE DEVELOPERS HAD A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT AND, AND I PAID ATTENTION TO THE COMMUNITY IN THE REGION AND I GOT ALMOST 
          NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK. SO I'M HAPPY TO SECOND. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ONE THING, SEAN, I, I TRACKED WITH YOU, BUT I DIDN'T TRACK WITH YOU UNTIL I, UNTIL I REREAD WHEN HE SAID NINE NINE PEOPLE WERE IN OPPOSITION, BUT ONE PERSON WAS IN OPPOSITION. BUT WE RECEIVED NINE NOTICES. I'M TRACKING WITH YOU. 
          AND THEN THE WHAT I'LL SAY IS THIS. FOR ME ON A REGULAR OCCURRENCE, WHEN I GO TO MULTIFAMILY UNITS, THE GATE CONSTANTLY IS OPEN, LIKE IT DOESN'T. IT DOESN'T CLOSE. IT'S BROKEN ALL THE THINGS. SO IN A PREVIOUS LIFE, I USED TO BE A PROCESS SERVER AND I HAD TO GO TO THEIR OTHER LOCATION AND THE GATE WAS ALWAYS LOCKED. IT WAS A REAL PAIN, BUT IT WORKS. AND SO THAT TELLS ME. IT TELLS ME A LOT ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF THINGS, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT JUST LET IT GO. BUT REGULARLY THE GATE WORKED AND I'D HAVE TO FLAG SOMEBODY OVER TO OPEN THE GATE OR SOMETHING TO LET ME IN. BUT SO BUT TO THEIR CREDIT, GREAT, GREAT WORK. AND IT'S SO EXCITING TO SEE. AND TO ANYONE THAT'S BEEN IN DENTON FOR A WHILE KNOWS THIS LOT. IT'S BEEN THERE. IT HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED. IT IS A DIFFICULT FIT. AND SO THANK YOU FOR GETTING CREATIVE. THANK YOU SEAN AND ALL FOR MAKING IT WORK TO THIS POINT. AND WE'LL SEE AS THEY GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE PROCESS. SO WITH THAT MAYOR PRO TEM, I'LL SEE YOU. HI EVERYONE ELSE'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM C. PD A25003B HOLD A PUBLIC 
          [C. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas regarding a Planned Development Amendment to establish special sign standards for approximately 4.291 acres out of Planned Development 139, generally located on the southeast corner of Vintage Boulevard and I-35W, in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official zoning map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing savings and severability clauses and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted (5-0-1) to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Riggs and second by Commissioner Padron. (PDA25-0003b, Gateway of Denton Signs, Mia Hines)]
HEARING. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS REGARDING A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT TO ESTABLISH SPECIAL SPECIAL SIGN STANDARDS FOR APPROXIMATELY 4.291 ACRES OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. 139 AND I OPEN THE 
          PUBLIC HEARING. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL HALEY ZAGURSKI, ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR, FILLING IN TONIGHT FOR MIA HINES ON THIS ITEM. 
          >> LET'S SEE. THERE WE GO. >> YES. SO THE ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS A PLAN 
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DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT FOR THE GATEWAY OF DENTON. SPECIFICALLY, THIS REQUEST IS TO ESTABLISH SPECIAL SIGN STANDARDS FOR A TRAVEL CENTER THAT'S LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF VINTAGE BOULEVARD AND I-35W. YOU CAN SEE THE SITE OUTLINED IN BLACK ON THE MAP. SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER A DETAILED SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT LAST SUMMER, SO THE SITE IS INTENDED TO INCLUDE A GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE, TWO RESTAURANTS, AND A CAR WASH. THE SITE IS JUST OVER FOUR ACRES IN SIZE AND FOR SOME CONTEXT YOU CAN SEE IS LOCATED IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE KIND OF JUGHANDLE ON AND OFF RAMPS OF I-35W. THERE IS A NEW MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH, AND THOSE ARE ALL FACTORS THAT WE WILL LOOK AT AS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION OF WHY THEY ARE REQUESTING THIS. JUST SOME BACKGROUND BEFORE WE JUMP IN ON THE DENTON SIGN CODE, BECAUSE YOU ALL DON'T SEE REQUEST RELATED TO THIS VERY OFTEN. THE INTENT OF THE SIGN CODE IS TO BALANCE PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHTS, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE THEIR THEIR COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES AND DIRECT TRAFFIC WITHIN THEIR SITES. WITH THE COMMUNITY'S GOALS FOR ESTHETICS AND SAFETY IN TERMS OF REDUCING VISUAL CLUTTER AND ENSURING SAFE NAVIGATION THROUGH SITE ISN'T IMPEDED BY AN OVERABUNDANCE OF SIGNS. SO WE DO HAVE REGULATIONS IN OUR SIGN CODE REGARDING THE NUMBER OF SIGNS A PROPERTY CAN HAVE, HOW TALL THOSE CAN BE, HOW LARGE THEY CAN BE, AND HOW FAR THEY HAVE TO BE SET BACK FROM DRIVEWAYS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. HOWEVER, ALL SITUATIONS CANNOT BE ANTICIPATED, SO OUR SIGN CODE DOES INCLUDE A PROCESS FOR COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PACKAGES THAT MEET OR EXCEED THE STANDARDS OF THE CODE TO BE ADOPTED, EITHER AS A SPECIAL SIGN DISTRICT, WHICH IS A STANDALONE ORDINANCE, OR AS PART OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. SO THAT'S WHAT IS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING SPECIFIC TO THIS REQUEST, THEY ARE LOOKING AT IMPOSING RESTRICTIONS ON THE SITE IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION OF SIGNS AND THE SIZE OF THE SIGNS. THEY WOULD PROPOSE TO LIMIT THEMSELVES TO TWO NEW GROUND SIGNS AND FOUR DIRECTIONAL SIGNS SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS PACKAGE. SO WE'LL LOOK AT THOSE IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. THE FIRST OF THOSE SIGNS IS THE LARGEST AND PRIMARY REASON FOR THIS REQUEST IS THE POLE SIGN THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN. IT IS PROPOSED AT 60FT HIGH AND JUST OVER 460FT■!S IN EFFECTIVE AREA TO ACCOMMODATE ADVERTISEMENT FOR ALL OF THE BUSINESSES THAT WILL BE ON SITE. THE SECOND GROUND SIGN IS THIS MONUMENT SIGN THAT WOULD BE LOCATED AT THE DRIVEWAY OFF OF VINTAGE. AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS. I MENTIONED TWO OF EACH TYPE TO ADVERTISE FOR THE RESTAURANT DRIVE THROUGH THAT'S ON SITE, AS WELL AS THE CAR WASH. SO FOR A REQUEST OF THIS NATURE, THE CODE OF ORDINANCES DOES ESTABLISH A SET OF CRITERIA THAT REQUIRE THE SIGN PACKAGE TO BE SUPERIOR TO WHAT WE WOULD GET WITH OUR SIGN CODE, TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IT IS TRULY NECESSARY, AND THEN TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS A COMPREHENSIVE NATURE IN TERMS OF THE SCALE AND THE COLOR AND DESIGN OF THE SIGNS. SO STAFF DID FIND THAT THIS SIGN SIGN PACKAGE IS PRESENTING A UNIFIED PACKAGE THAT WOULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SIGNS ON SITE AND ENSURE CONSISTENCY AND UNIFORMITY IN THE DESIGN OF THOSE SIGNS. WE DID FIND IT TO BE NECESSARY TO ALLOW FOR THIS POLE SIGN TO BE LARGER. IF YOU SEE ON THE MAP HERE, THE ORANGE DOT IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE SIGN THAT IS SET BACK OVER 400FT FROM THE MAIN LANES OF I-35. DUE TO THE WIDTH OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY, WITH THE CURRENT ON AND OFF RAMP CONFIGURATION, WITH THE NEW MULTIFAMILY THAT'S DEVELOPED TO THE SOUTH, THOSE BUILDINGS BEING 45FT IN HEIGHT FROM A POINT WHERE SOMEONE WOULD BE ABOUT A HALF MILE FROM THAT EXIT AND NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO GET OVER AND EXIT TO VISIT THIS BUSINESS, THE SIGN WOULD ACTUALLY BE TUCKED BEHIND THOSE BUILDINGS, SO OUR STANDARD OF 40FT FOR A POLE SIGN WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR THAT VISIBILITY DUE TO THE HEIGHT OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND HOW FAR SETBACK THIS PROPERTY IS FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO THEY ARE REQUESTING THAT SIGN TO BE TALLER TO ENSURE THAT MOTORISTS COMING NORTH INTO DENTON ON I-35W WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE BUSINESS LOCATION WELL ENOUGH IN ADVANCE TO GET OFF AT THIS EXIT. THERE ARE MULTIPLE SETS OF CRITERIA THAT WERE ANALYZED FOR THIS REQUEST. THOSE WITHIN THE DENTON SIGN CODE, AS WELL AS THOSE WITHIN THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE, BECAUSE THIS IS BEING INCORPORATED AS PART OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, DISTRICT STAFF DID FIND THAT IN ADDITION TO THE SIGN CODE STANDARDS BEING MET, THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE STANDARDS WERE ALSO MET. THIS DOES NOT CREATE ANY CONFLICTS WITH THE ALREADY APPROVED STANDARDS AND SITE PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT WERE APPROVED AS PART OF THE PD LAST SUMMER. IT'S NOT PROPOSING TO REMOVE OR AMEND ANY RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE AS PART OF THAT PD. AND THESE WE WERE WE DID FIND THAT THIS WOULD CREATE A SUPERIOR LAYOUT AND LIMIT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS ON SITE TO ENSURE, AGAIN, THAT THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH VISUAL CLUTTER TRYING TO NAVIGATE TO THE VARIOUS BUSINESSES. PUBLIC OUTREACH WAS CONDUCTED FOR THIS REQUEST. WE'VE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES, EITHER IN OPPOSITION OR IN FAVOR. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SIMILARLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS THEY FOUND IT MET ALL THE CRITERIA, AND I AM HAPPY TO 
          ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM 
          DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU. SO I DON'T I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE 
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INCREASED SIGN GIVEN THE SETBACKS FROM THE HIGHWAY. BUT THAT BRINGS UP THE QUESTION OF THE JUGHANDLE. AND PLEASE CORRECT ME. I THOUGHT LAST TIME I LOOKED AT THE MOBILITY PLAN FOR 35 W THAT WE WERE THEY WERE GOING TO REDESIGN THAT INTERSECTION. SO WHAT IMPLICATIONS DOES THAT HAVE FOR PLACEMENT OF ESPECIALLY THE LARGE SIGN THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE HIGHWAY? I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO PUT IT IN AND THEN TEAR IT OUT AND THEN 
          PUT IT IN AGAIN? >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. WE DID LOOK AT THE CURRENT SCHEMATICS FOR I-35 AND THE CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S THERE IS SUFFICIENT TO HANDLE THAT RECONFIGURATION. 
          SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY NEED FOR THE SIGN TO BE RELOCATED IN THE FUTURE. IT WOULD BE WELL OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. BECAUSE YOU ARE CORRECT, THE CURRENT JUGHANDLE CONFIGURATION IS BEING REDESIGNED TO MORE OF A STANDARD DIAMOND ON AND OFF RAMP SITUATION IN THE FUTURE. 
          >> AND SIMILAR QUESTION FOR THE SURROUNDING PARCELS. AGAIN, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE SORT OF PLACEMENT AND SIZE OF THE SIGN, SO IF THIS WAS BY ITSELF, IT'D BE FINE. BUT IS THERE, IS THERE GOING TO BE CONFUSION LINE OF SIGHT ISSUES FROM THE PROPERTIES OF THE SOUTHWEST AND THE TO BE DEVELOPED PROPERTIES TO THE EAST? I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE LIKE IS IT GOING TO BE? I MEAN, I KNOW ONE OF THE IMPACTS WAS LIKE, WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID CLUTTER AND CONFUSING MISDIRECTION, BUT IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE THERE'S THE OTHER BUILDINGS AS YOU'RE TRYING TO NAVIGATE AROUND IS ALL I'M ASKING. AND IF THE ANSWER IS NO, WE'VE GOT GOOD ELEVATIONS AND MOCK UPS AND WE THINK THE VISIBILITY IS FINE, THEN THAT'S 
          THE ANSWER. >> SO YES, BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE 
          APPLICANT, THE VISIBILITY SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE. >> ALL RIGHT. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. 
          >> I GUESS THIS QUESTION IS FOR STAFF OR MAYOR. PERHAPS YOU CAN ANSWER THIS. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THE LAST TIME WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT SIGN ORDINANCES, WHEN WE WHEN WE 
          TALKED ABOUT THE SIGN FOR DENTON HIGH SCHOOL. RIGHT. >> THAT IS POSSIBLY THE LAST TIME THAT A SPECIAL SIGN DISTRICT CAME BEFORE YOU ALL. YES, MAYOR. 
          >> HELP ME. I REMEMBER AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, WE DISCUSSED GIVING STAFF MORE FLEXIBILITY. 
          SO THOSE THINGS CHANGE IN OUR CODES. THOSE THINGS WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME TO US. 
          IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT THAN THAN THAT SIGNAGE. DID YOU ALL HAVE THE INCREASED FLEXIBILITY TO 
          DEAL WITH THIS WITHOUT IT COMING TO US? >> I DON'T RECALL. I KNOW WE DID 
          TALK ABOUT THE DENTON HIGH SIGN, BUT. >> IS THAT THE. 
          >> LAST ONE? I THINK THAT WAS THAT WAS MAYBE AN ILLUMINATION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEAL WAS WITH THAT, BUT THIS ONE IS WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE UNIQUE FEATURES? I GUESS THAT'S THAT'S 
          REALLY SURE. THE HEIGHT I'M ASSUMING. >> YES, THE HEIGHT AND SIZE OF THE POLE SIGN ARE EXCEED WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE ALLOWED. AND THEN THEY ARE IMPOSING LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF SIGNS, BECAUSE OUR SIGN CODE ACTUALLY DOESN'T ADDRESS DIRECTIONAL SIGNS. SO THEY COULD POSSIBLY HAVE AS MANY OF THOSE AS THEY COULD FIT ON SITE. SO THEY'RE IMPOSING SOME LIMITATIONS TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NOT AN OVERABUNDANCE OF SIGNS. GIVEN THE MULTIPLE DRIVEWAYS AND BUSINESSES ON SITE. 
          >> SO THIS WAS HEIGHT DIDN'T DIDN'T. HIGH SCHOOL WAS ABOUT THE BRIGHTNESS. 
          >> IF I RECALL CORRECTLY. YES. IT'S BECAUSE THAT WAS A CHANGING MESSAGE. ILLUMINATED SIGN. YES. 
          OKAY. SO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ISSUE. >> SHOULD THINGS LIKE THIS CONTINUE TO COME TO US, DO WE NEED MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE CODE TO ALLOW YOU ALL TO TAKE 
          CARE OF THESE? >> AS IT STANDS, THERE IS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO ADMINISTRATIVE FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE SIGN CODE. THINGS OF THIS NATURE. IF SOMEONE CAN'T MEET THE NUMERIC STANDARDS OF THE CODE IN TERMS OF HEIGHT AN AREA, EITHER GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR A VARIANCE, OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS THROUGH PNC AND COUNCIL TO ESTABLISH A SPECIAL SIGN DISTRICT, OR DO SO AS PART OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT. SO THERE'S CURRENTLY NOT THAT 
          ADMINISTRATIVE FLEXIBILITY IN THE SIGN CODE. >> OKAY. AND LAST QUESTION IN OUR IN OUR BACKUP, THE PICTURE OF THE SIGN IS THAT DO WE KNOW THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THE 
          BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING TO OCCUPY THIS SPACE. >> TO OUR KNOWLEDGE AT THIS TIME? YES. THE CONTENT OF THE SIGNS, I SHOULD SAY, COULD CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. WE'RE NOT REGULATING THE CONTENT OF WHAT GOES ON THE SIGNS, BUT AT THIS TIME, THOSE ARE THE BUSINESSES 
          THAT INTEND TO LOCATE. >> THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE I'M CURIOUS IF THIS IS GOING TO 
          LOOK LIKE THE ONE IN BURLESON. >> I BELIEVE IT IS A SIMILAR BUSINESS MODEL. YES. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THE SAME OWNER OR DEVELOPER, BUT IN TERMS OF THE BUSINESSES, YES, THOSE APPEAR TO 
          BE THE SAME. >> BECAUSE THE BURLESON ONE IS THE EXACT SAME. THAT'S WHY I 
          ASKED. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. MAYOR. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          FOUR. >> MAYOR, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THE SIGN AT DENTON HIGH SCHOOL SHOULD HAVE BEEN APPLIED WHEN THE BUILDING WAS DONE AND IT WASN'T. AND SO THEY FRANKLY, THEY BUILT A SIGN THAT DIDN'T HAVE A PERMIT AND CAME HERE RETROACTIVELY TO DO THAT. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH BRIGHTNESS OR OR ANYTHING ELSE. THANK YOU. THERE YOU GO. 
          >> GOOD MAN. YOU'RE HANDY TO HAVE AROUND. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING SO YOU CAN COME DOWN AND SPEAK, FILL OUT A CARD AFTERWARDS. SEEING NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT. DISTRICT FIVE. FOR A 
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          MOTION. >> SO THAT BURLESON LOCATION HAS SOME OF THE BEST BEANS EVER. 
          IT'S A LITTLE TOUGH TO EAT THEM WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING IN A TRUCK BY YOURSELF ALL DAY, BUT SOME OF THE BEST BEANS EVER. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS ONE. HAVE AN EQUALLY GREAT BARBECUE. HAPPY TO 
          MOVE APPROVAL. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. 
          >> I'LL SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MAYOR PRO TEM, 
          HOW SAY YOU? I EVERYONE ELSE'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN? >> WHAT IF THEY'RE NOT THE BEST 
          TEXAS BEST BARBER? WHAT ABOUT THAT? >> THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO, TAKES 
          [A. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton considering all matters incident and related to the issuance, sale and delivery of up to $142,565,000 in principal amount of "City of Denton General Obligation refunding and improvement bonds, Series 2025"; authorizing the issuance of the bonds; delegating the authority to certain city officials to execute certain documents relating to the sale of the bonds; approving and authorizing instruments and procedures relating to said bonds; enacting other provisions relating to the subject; and providing an effective date. The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (5-0).]
US TO OUR ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. FIRST IS SIX A ID 251037. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON. CONSIDERING ALL MATTERS, AND SAID, LET ME GET THIS RIGHT. 
          CONSIDERING ALL ALL MATTERS INCIDENT AND RELATED TO THE ISSUANCE, SALE AND DELIVERY OF UP TO 142,565,000, IN PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF THE CITY OF DENTON GENERAL OBLIGATION REFUNDING AND 
          IMPROVEMENT BONDS. >> MAYOR. I ALSO HAVE ONE PRESENTATION THAT INCLUDES THE 
          [B. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton considering all matters incident and related to the issuance, sale and delivery of up to $254,050,000 in principal amount of "City of Denton Certificates of Obligation, Series 2025"; authorizing the issuance of the certificates; delegating the authority to certain city officials to execute certain documents relating to the sale of the certificates; approving and authorizing instruments and procedures relating to said certificates; enacting other provisions relating to the subject; and providing an effective date. The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (5-0).]
          SECOND ITEM. >> NUMBER B, IF YOU MIND READING THAT AS WELL. 
          >> NO PROBLEM. ITEM B IS ID 251038. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON. 
          CONSIDERING ALL MATTERS INCIDENT RELATED TO ISSUANCE, SALE AND DELIVERY OF UP TO 254,050,000 IN PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF CITY OF DENTON. CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. SERIES 225 AUTHORIZING, AUTHORIZING, ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATE. DELEGATING AUTHORITY TO CERTAIN CITY OFFICIALS TO EXECUTE CERTAIN DOCUMENTS RELATING TO THE SALE OF THE CERTIFICATE. 
          >> THERE YOU GO. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. RANDY KLINGLE, TREASURY MANAGER. 
          TODAY BEFORE YOU, THE TWO ORDINANCES ARE BOND PARAMETER ORDINANCE FOR OUR SUMMER BOND SALE. THAT IS UPCOMING. THE FIRST BIT OF INFORMATION THAT WE WILL HAVE IS THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND ORDINANCE, WHICH COVERS THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM. THIS WILL BE OUR LAST YEAR OF THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM, AND WE HAVE $18.9 MILLION FOR THE STREETS. PROPOSITION A FOR THE 2020 EXCUSE ME, 2023 BOND PROGRAM. THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR. AND ON YOUR SCREENS AND IN YOUR BACKUP OF YOUR EYES, YOU DO HAVE THESE PROJECTS LISTS AS WELL. I WON'T BE GOING OVER THE PROJECTS, JUST KIND OF SHOWING YOU THE TOTALS. WE DO HAVE PEOPLE HERE. IF YOU DO HAVE OTHER OR FURTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PROJECT LISTS ON THE PROJECTS, IT WILL SHOW A BUDGET TO ACTUAL BOND SALE ITEMS AND IF THERE WERE ANY CHANGES. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM, WE DID GO FROM 55.1 BUDGET TO THE 24.6, AND THAT IS JUST AN EVALUATION OVER TIME FROM THE BUDGET TO THIS DATE OF WHAT THE ACTUAL NEEDS ARE IN CASH TO BE DEBT FUNDED. 
          SO SOME OF THESE ITEMS, YOU KNOW, JUST AREN'T. OOPS, SORRY, FAR ENOUGH IN THE PROGRAM OR IN THE CONSTRUCTION OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY NEED TO SPEND ALL THOSE DOLLARS THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY NEEDED AT BUDGET TIME. IN ADDITION, FOR THE BOND PROGRAM, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REFUND THE 2015 SERIES. THESE ARE ELIGIBLE BONDS THAT ALLOW US TO RECOUP SOME SAVINGS. SO THE ELIGIBLE ONES WE HAVE REVIEWED BY OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS AND PROJECT TO SAVINGS. AND IF THAT SAVINGS IS WITH OUR PARAMETERS, WHICH IS MORE THAN IT WOULD TO INCORPORATE THEM INTO THE SALE, WE TAKE CARE OF THE SAVINGS AS MUCH AS WE CAN, SO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. SO IN THE 2015, WE WERE LOOKING AT AN INTEREST RATE. AT THAT TIME OF 4.14%. AND THE PROJECTED AVERAGE, IF WE INCLUDE THEM IN THE SALE IS 3.55, AND WE WOULD SAVE US ABOUT $1.3 MILLION AT THIS TIME. SO IF THESE NUMBERS ARE STILL ACCURATE, WHEN WE GO OUT FOR SALE NEXT WEEK, WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THAT AND SAVE SOME MONEY FOR THE CITY. SO THE TOTAL BOND SALE FOR THE FIRST ORDINANCE, INCLUDING THE 2019, THE 2023 BOND PROGRAMS, POTENTIAL REFUNDINGS AND THE ISSUANCE COST IS AT ZERO HERE, WHICH I WILL DISCUSS LATER. THAT IS SHARED WITH THE CEO PROGRAM. 
          AND SO IT'S IN THE CEO SLIDE LATER IS $142,565,000. NEXT WE HAVE THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION WHICH REQUIRE A NOTICE OF INTENT, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL ON MAY 20TH. WE PUBLISHED THOSE NOTICES IN THE DENTON RECORD-CHRONICLE ON MAY 24TH AND MAY 31ST. AND BY REGULATION AND LAW, WE CAN'T HAVE THIS BOND ORDINANCE PRESENTED OR PASSED UNTIL 46 
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DAYS AFTER THAT FIRST NOTIFICATION, WHICH WAS ON MAY 24TH. SO WE HERE AND WE DO MEET THAT JUST AS THE OTHER SLIDES, YOU WILL HAVE TWO COLUMNS, YOU'LL HAVE THE NOTICE OF INTENT. THAT'S THE LAST TIME YOU SAW THESE DOLLARS. AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE THE BOND SALE ITEMS. AND IF THERE ARE ANY DIFFERENCES THERE ARE SOME SMALL CHANGES. BUT FOR THE MOST PART WE DID SUBSTANTIALLY STAY THE SAME. SO ON THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT, COS YOU'LL SEE THE INTERNAL SERVICE FUND REDUCED THERE GROUPINGS BY $1 MILLION. THEN WE HAVE SOME GENERAL GOVERNMENT LINES HERE AND THEY WILL CONTINUE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH THEY REDUCED ALSO JUST UNDER $1 MILLION FOR A TOTAL OF GENERAL GOVERNMENT COSTS FOR $33.6 MILLION. NEXT WE HAVE THE SOLID WASTE FUND, WHICH REMAINED THE SAME FROM NOTICE OF INTENT TO THE BOND SALE AT 11.1 MILLION. WATER UTILITIES HAS THREE SIDES OF PROJECTS. AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WE'LL GO OVER THOSE. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCES, WHICH THERE AREN'T ANY IF YOU'RE LOOKING CLOSELY, BECAUSE THEY DID KEEP IT THE SAME FROM NOTICE OF INTENT TO THE ACTUAL BOND SALE DOLLARS TOTALING THE $80.6 MILLION. 
          WASTEWATER HAS TWO SLIDES OF INFORMATION HERE. ALSO, THE NOTICE OF INTENT TO BOND SALE DID NOT CHANGE, SO THE TOTAL FOR WASTEWATER REMAINS AT $77.1 MILLION. THE LAST UTILITY THAT WE HAVE IS ELECTRIC, AND THEY DID REDUCE THEIR BOND SALE FROM NOTICE OF INTENT BY $3.9 MILLION. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE SECOND LINE ITEM THERE FOR BUILDING CONSTRUCTION, I BELIEVE THAT WAS OF THEIR CAMPUS. SO THE SECOND ORDINANCE IS THE BOND SUMMARY SHOWN HERE AT $254,050,000, WHICH INCLUDES THE ESTIMATED ISSUANCE COST THAT WE WILL GET ONE INVOICE FOR FROM OUR OUR BOND ADVISOR AND OUR BOND COUNCIL FOR $7.5 MILLION. AND WE WILL SHARE THAT BETWEEN BOTH THE GEO AND THE COUNCIL AND BETWEEN ALL THE FUNDS AS WELL. SO AFTER TONIGHT, WE WILL GO TO SALE NEXT WEEK AROUND JULY 23RD, AND EXPECT TO RECEIVE THE PROCEEDS OF THOSE SALES ON 
          AUGUST 26TH. I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU. IN GENERAL, WHEN WE SEE THE BUDGETS AND THE REDUCTIONS ARE JUST BASED ON REAL NUMBERS, YOU KIND OF SAID THAT A SECOND AGO, BUT I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. ARE SOME OF THESE JUST THIS YEAR'S PHASING. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL BOND SALES LATER UP TO THE AUTHORITY CAP OR ALL OF THIS IS JUST WITHIN COST. ALL THE DIFFERENCES ARE JUST WITHIN COST SAVINGS. AND THERE'S NOT 
          GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL BONDS FOR ADDITIONAL PHASES IN THE FUTURE. >> YES, SIR. ON THE BOND PROGRAMS FOR THE 2019, THIS IS ALL THAT'S LEFT. SO THAT'S ALL YOU SHOULD SEE ON THE 2023. THIS IS YEAR TWO OF SIX. SO YOU WILL SEE THESE COME BACK IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. 
          >> SO WE'RE CLOSING OUT 19. BUT THE OTHERS ARE HAVING ADDITIONAL PHASING. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT THAT THAT'S ALL THE CLARITY I NEED I APPRECIATE YOU. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          FOUR? >> MR. MAYOR, DO YOU WANT JUST THE ONE ITEM. 
          >> YES. SO WE'RE FOCUS ON SIX A. >> OKAY. THEN I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE NUMBER ID 
          25-01037. >> OKAY, OKAY. >> MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU HAD A 
          QUESTION. SORRY. GO RIGHT AHEAD. >> OH NO WORRIES. THANK YOU. SO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE ONE? ROUGHLY $1.4 MILLION SAVINGS FROM THE REFUNDING SORT OF REFINANCING OF SOME OF THE OLDER 
          BOND SERIES, LIKE WHERE WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT MONEY? >> THAT MONEY THAT IS SAVED WILL BE REALLOCATED BACK INTO THE FUNDS THAT WERE ON THAT SLIDE ALLOCATED FOR THOSE FUNDS. IT 
          SHOWS WHICH FUNDS THOSE CAME FROM. THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          FIVE. >> I GET THE MICROPHONE I BELIEVE SECOND. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE. THIS IS ITEM A MAYOR PRO 
          TEM. HOW SAY YOU. BY EVERYONE ELSE VOTE ON THE SCREEN. >> ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON. 
          >> THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THIS IS ITEM B REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. 
          >> YES. I MOVE THE APPROVAL OF ID 25-0. PARDON ME. 1038. WOW. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MAYOR PRO TEM, I'LL 
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          SEE YOU. >> HI. >> EVERYONE ELSE'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. TAKES US TO ITEM C, WHICH IS. ID 251117. CONSIDER APPROVAL 
          [C. Consider approval of a resolution to appoint a member to the Board of Directors of the Texas Municipal Power Agency, a Texas Joint Powers Agency, to represent the City of Denton, a Texas Home-Rule Municipal Corporation; and declaring an effective date.]
OF A RESOLUTION TO APPOINT A MEMBER OF A BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL POWER AGENCY, A TEXAS JOINT POWERS AGENCY, TO REPRESENT THE CITY OF DENTON AND TEXAS HOME RULE 
          MUNICIPAL CORPORATION, DECLARING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> I HAVE A CHAIR. SHOULD BE 
          GOOD. YEAH. YEAH. >> MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. TONY FUENTES, GENERAL MANAGER HERE THIS AFTERNOON OR THIS EVENING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TMP BOARD APPOINTMENT. SO TMP IS A TEXAS POWER AGENCY AS A JOINT POWERS AGENCY CREATED BACK IN 1975. MEMBERS OF THE AGENCY INCLUDE DENTON, BRYAN, GREENVILLE AND GARLAND. THE PURPOSE OF THIS AGENCY IS FOR THE GENERATION, SALE OR EXCHANGE OF ELECTRIC, ELECTRIC ENERGY OR THE PROVISION WHOLESALE TRANSMISSION SERVICE AS YOUR. AS MOST OF YOU ARE WELL AWARE, GIBBONS CREEK WAS SOLD BACK IN JANUARY OF 21 AND THEN ALL THE ASSETS EXCEPT FOR A FEW ACRES STILL REMAIN BUT ARE STILL BEING MARKETED FOR SALE AND THEN DME. EXCUSE ME, TMP IS PREDOMINANTLY A TRANSMISSION ONLY AGENCY AT THIS POINT. BACKGROUND TMPA BOARD REPRESENTATIVES. EACH CITY HAS TWO. WE HAVE TWO. CURRENTLY WE HAVE MR. JESSE DAVIS IS ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS AND THE ONE THAT FILLS THE SEAT CURRENTLY THAT WILL BE EXPIRING. THE OTHER ONE IS FILLED BY MR. BILLY CHEEK. HIS TERM WILL NOT EXPIRE UNTIL NEXT YEAR'S ALTERNATING YEARS. SO, MR. DAVIS, I APOLOGIZE. I MISSPELLED HIS NAME ON HERE. SO MR. DAVIS, NOT DAVID, HAS BEEN ON THE BOARD NOW FOR TWO TERMS SINCE 2021. HE CURRENTLY SERVES AS THE BOARD SECRETARY, IS SCHEDULED TO BE NAMED THE VICE PRESIDENT, WHICH IS CUSTOMARY FOR THE BOARD AND SEPTEMBER OF 2025, NOT 2026. ASSUMING THAT HE'S RENOMINATED, HE HAS EXPRESSED THE DESIRE TO CONTINUE, AND HE ALSO SERVES ON THE AGENCY'S PERSONNEL COMMITTEE. ACTION REQUIRED TONIGHT. THE SEAT EXPIRES ON JULY 18TH. SO WE ARE REQUESTING THAT COUNCIL CONSIDER NOMINATIONS TODAY. STAFF DID NOT RECEIVE ANY NOMINATIONS OTHER THAN MR. DAVIS, EXPRESSING A DESIRE TO CONTINUE TO BE ON TO SERVE WHOEVER THE REPRESENTATIVE IS THAT'S NOMINATED AND SELECTED TODAY WILL SERVE FOR A TWO YEAR TERM FROM JULY 18TH, 20, 2025 TO 2027. SO WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I WILL LEAVE THIS UP THERE FOR A SECOND. JUST ASKING IF THERE IS A NOMINATION, IF IT CAN BE READ IN THE MANNER PRESCRIBED ABOVE. 
          >> OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? LET ME MAKE THIS SO READ. WHAT PART? 
          >> THIS PART HERE. MAYOR. MOVE APPROVAL. >> JUST WAIT. 
          >> WHAT AM I LOOKING. >> AT UNDER THE SECOND BULLET RIGHT HERE. 
          >> OH. GOT IT. THERE YOU GO. I WAS LIKE, MAN, IT'S SO IT SAYS MOVE. APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION 
          WITH JESSE DAVIS IN EACH OF THE APPROPRIATE BLANKS. >> THAT'S CORRECT. 
          >> OKAY. AND IS THERE A SECOND. >> COUNCIL PERSON JESTER SECONDS. 
          >> AND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU. YEAH, I THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION. I DID SUBMIT MY NAME IN NOMINATION EARLIER TODAY. I MADE SURE STAFF WAS AWARE OF THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S BEING PRESENTED AS SUCH RIGHT NOW. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PERFORMANCE THAT COUNCILOR DAVIS DID AND IS DOING. I HAVE A PERSONAL INTEREST IN IN THIS FIELD, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IN ENERGY AND MUNICIPAL POLICY. SO THIS IS SOMETHING I'M INTERESTED IN. SO I'LL BE VOTING NO, NOT BECAUSE I HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST FORMER COUNCILOR DAVIS, BUT BECAUSE I'M PERSONALLY INTERESTED IN FULFILLING THE ROLE. 
          >> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. >> MR. MAYOR, I INTEND TO VOTE FOR COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS, BUT SINCE HE'S HERE, PERHAPS WE COULD HEAR ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE ON THE BOARD AS HE INTENDS TO 
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          BECOME VICE CHAIR. >> CERTAINLY. >> ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT COUNCIL MEMBER? I'D LOVE TO JUST HEAR ABOUT WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN LIKE, AND TELL US ABOUT WHAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH AS YOU MOVE UP IN LEADERSHIP. 
          >> SURE, I WON'T TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME, BUT I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD. IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO SERVE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, BUT EVEN BETTER, WHEN YOU GET TO KIND OF GO OUTSIDE THE BORDERS OF YOUR CITY AND SEE WHAT OTHER PLACES ARE DOING AND INTERACT WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES AND STAFF FROM THOSE OTHER PLACES. 
          THIS IS A PRETTY UNIQUE AGENCY THAT WE'RE INVOLVED IN FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE, BECAUSE WE STARTED BACK IN 1975, THIS AGENCY PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON GENERATION. AND AS YOU KNOW, THE AGENCY IS MORE TODAY FOCUSED ON TRANSMISSION. AND AS DENTON CONTINUES ITS OWN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT GENERATION, WE ALL KNOW THAT TRANSMISSION IS MAYBE EVEN THE MORE IMPORTANT PART OF THE PIE RIGHT NOW FOR GETTING THAT ELECTRICITY THAT WE GENERATE. HOWEVER WE GENERATE IT OUT AND AROUND THE STATE. SO THERE'S SOME ACTUALLY REALLY EXCITING THINGS THAT ARE ON THE HORIZON FOR TNPA SOME THINGS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN WE'VE LOOKED AT BEFORE, SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'RE EXPLORING. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE DONE AS YOUR REPRESENTATIVE THERE ON TMPA IS REQUIRE AND DEMAND A STRATEGIC VISION PROCESS. SOME OF OUR OTHER PARTNER CITIES ARE PRETTY CONTENT WITH KIND OF ROCKING ALONG AND SEEING HOW THIS AGENCY GOES AND HOW THINGS UNFOLD OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. BUT BECAUSE THIS AGENCY IS A HELP TO OUR RATEPAYERS, BECAUSE IT HELPS US KEEP OUR COSTS WHERE THEY ARE AND IS A BIG PART OF THE TRANSMISSION PUZZLE. WHEN YOU KIND OF LOOK AT THAT BUDGET, THAT DME BUDGET, AND PUTTING THOSE THINGS TOGETHER BECAUSE IT'S A BOON TO OUR RATEPAYERS THAT WE ARE ONE. Y'ALL ARE THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR OUR ELECTRICITY COMPANY, AND TWO, THAT OUR ELECTRICITY COMPANY HAS THESE THESE PARTNER CITIES THAT WE WORK WITH IN OUR TRANSMISSION ENTERPRISES BECAUSE IT'S A BOON. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A STRATEGIC VISION FOR THIS AGENCY GOING FORWARD. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, AS YOUR REPRESENTATIVE, I'VE DEMANDED AND REQUIRED THE STAFF THERE HAS BEEN VERY AMENABLE TO THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY MY BIGGEST CONTRIBUTION OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. YOU ALSO KNOW THAT I'M VERY INTERESTED IN, THROUGH MY SERVICE ON THIS BOARD AND IN THE CITY. YOU KNOW, I'M VERY INTERESTED IN NEXT GENERATION, NEXT WAVE GENERATION. I'M VERY CAREFUL NOT TO SAY GENERATION TWICE. RIGHT. BUT NEXT WAVE GENERATION. WE ALL KNOW THAT THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT, THAT THEY'RE ON THE HORIZON AND THE WAY THAT YOU DEAL WITH THINGS ON THE HORIZON, WHETHER IT'S FIVE, TEN, 20 YEARS OUT, IS YOU TALK ABOUT THEM TODAY. OTHERWISE THAT HORIZON GETS HERE FASTER THAN YOU WANT. SO THOSE ARE MY TWO KIND OF FOCUS AREAS. LIKE I TOLD YOU THE LAST TIME I WAS REAPPOINTED TO THIS BOARD. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THOSE AND VERY INTERESTED IN ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS OR HEARING YOUR DIRECTION FOR MY NEXT TWO YEARS 
          GOING FORWARD. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          >> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT. >> SIX COUNCILPERSON JESTER I JUST WELL, I FIRST WANT TO SAY TO COUNCILPERSON BECK THAT, OF COURSE I KNOW THAT YOU WOULD DO A GREAT JOB. WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY IN FAVOR OF FORMER COUNCIL PERSON DAVIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF YOUR ABILITIES, ETC. 
          BUT I DO WANT TO THANK MR. DAVIS FOR THE REGIONAL LEADERSHIP THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF DENTON, THE FACT THAT YOU ARE RESPECTED ENOUGH AND HAVE THE RELATIONSHIPS TO OBTAIN AN OFFICER POSITION, THAT YOU ARE ON THE PERSONNEL COMMITTEE, THAT YOU ARE SO INVOLVED WITH. THIS BOARD IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US AND OBVIOUSLY HOLDS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SWAY AND HAS A POSITION OF INFLUENCE. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE SQUANDERED TO NOT REAPPOINT YOU. AND ALSO, I APPRECIATE YOU REACHING OUT TO SEE IF ANY OF US HAD ANY QUESTIONS, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE KEPT IN THE LOOP. AND JUST THANK YOU FOR BEING A CITIZEN SERVANT. THANK YOU VERY 
          MUCH, MR. DAVIS. >> I'M HONORED TO DO THAT. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MAYOR PRO TEM HOW SAY YOU. I AND EVERYONE ELSE'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT 
          PASSES. FIVE TWO. I THINK THAT'S WHAT. >> I SAW OKAY. 
          [D. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton approving an economic development agreement under Chapter 380 of the Local Government Code to promote economic development and to stimulate business activity and economic growth of the City of Denton, between the City of Denton and United States Cold Storage, LP, regarding the expansion of operations and increase in the number of jobs in the City of Denton; authorizing the expenditure of funds therefor in an amount not-to-exceed $1,067,871; and providing an effective date. The Economic Development Partnership Board recommends approval (11-0-1).]
          >> TAKES US TO ITEM D ID 25914. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON APPROVING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT UNDER CHAPTER 380 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TO STIMULATE BUSINESS ACTIVITY AND ECONOMIC GROWTH. 
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          >> OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO SHARE IT. CHRISTY. WHERE DID. THEY GO? THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          >> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, BRITTANY SOTELO, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. 
          AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT UNITED STATES COLD STORAGE INCENTIVE REQUEST. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMPANY BACKGROUND. THEY'RE A LEADER IN TEMPERATURE CONTROLLED STORAGE AND TRANSPORTATION LOGISTICS FOR MANY OF THE COUNTRY'S LARGEST FOOD PROVIDERS. THEY'RE AN EXISTING DENTON COMPANY THAT HAS 37 EXISTING FACILITIES IN 13 STATES, AND THEY'VE BEEN IN THE CITY FOR SINCE 2021. THE COMPANY, WHICH HAS OPERATED FOR 126 YEARS, STARTED AS AMERICAN ICE COMPANY IN 1899. IT WAS RENAMED TO THE UNITED STATES COLD STORAGE USC'S IN 1920 AND BECAME A WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARY OF JOHN SWIRE AND SONS. THEIR INCENTIVE REQUEST IS THEY ARE EXAMINING MULTIPLE EXPANSION OPPORTUNITIES IN TEXAS. THEY FINALIZED THE DENTON SITE AS A POTENTIAL FOR EXPANSION. THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN THE WORKS OF EXPANDING, AND FOR AN ADDITIONAL 100,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. THE REQUEST INCLUDES INVESTMENT IN THE BUILDING MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT. THEIR LOCATION IS AT 3255 JIM CRYSTAL ROAD AND IS LOCATED ON A 45 ACRE SITE. 
          THERE, ON THEIR INCENTIVE APPLICATION, THEY'RE INVESTING $35 MILLION IN TOTAL CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND $12 MILLION IN IMPROVEMENTS, 23 MILLION IN BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY AND 172 NEW JOBS. THOSE JOBS WILL BE CREATED OVER A FOUR YEAR TERM, AND THEY WILL HIRE LOGISTICS, DISTRIBUTION, PERSONNEL, PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT, ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT AND CUSTOMER CARE. THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE OF THOSE JOBS IS $57,583 AND $27.68 AN HOUR FOR ALL POSITIONS. ON THE ECONOMIC IMPACT REPORT. THE CITY WILL BENEFIT FROM $1.4 MILLION. THE COUNTY WILL RECEIVE $642,000. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL RECEIVE $1.6 MILLION, AND THE TRANSIT DISTRICT WILL RECEIVE $109,000. THE ECONOMIC IMPACT REPORT HAS A RATE OF RETURN OF 24.9%, AND A PAYBACK PERIOD OF 4.8 YEARS. THE BENEFITS OF THIS PROJECT IS THEY ARE. IT'S A TRUE BRT EXPANSION PROJECT. THE PROJECT IS RETAINING 148 JOBS IN DENTON, AND WITH THE NEW JOBS, IT WILL HELP SUPPORT THE LOCAL ECONOMY. THEY ARE ESSENTIAL IN THE COLD CHAIN SUPPLY CHAIN. THEY SUPPORT THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES SUSTAINABILITY. THEY HAVE A GOAL, A COMPANY WIDE GOAL TO REDUCE CO2 EMISSIONS BY 2030 BY 11.4%, AND THEIR GOAL IS TO REACH NET ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2050. AND THEY DO HAVE A FOOD WASTE SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM AS WELL. THEY'RE ONE OF DMV'S TOP ELECTRICAL USERS, AND THE EXPANSION WILL ALSO ADD ADDITIONAL UTILITY REVENUE. SO ON THE INCENTIVE EVALUATION MATRIX THAT WE USE TO DETERMINE THE ELIGIBILITY OF THE PROJECT, THEY SCORED A TOTAL OF 90 POINTS, WHICH IS AN EXCELLENT SCORE RANGE. ON OUR INCENTIVE PROPOSAL, WE ARE OFFERING 60% PROPERTY TAX REBATE ON IMPROVEMENTS IN BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY FOR EIGHT YEARS, A SALES AND USE TAX CONSTRUCTION REBATE AT 75% AT YEAR TWO, FOR A TOTAL OF ONE $1,067,871. ON THE CITY REVENUE PORTION, THE CITY WILL RECEIVE $1,000,000.90 $2,435 ON THE DENTON COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT'S VALUATION FOR 2024, THE ESTIMATED VALUE IS $47.9 MILLION. WITH THEIR INVESTMENT, IT WILL TOTAL $82.9 MILLION. ON THE CITY REVENUE SIDE, WE'RE CURRENTLY RECEIVING 280,000 A YEAR AND WITH THEIR EXPANSION WILL RECEIVE $485,000 A YEAR. SO OUR INCENTIVE RECOMMENDATION IS A CHAPTER 380 GRANT PERFORMANCE BASED VALOREM TAX REBATE AT 60% FOR EIGHT YEARS FOR THE BUSINESS EXPANSION, SALES AND USE TAX FOR CONSTRUCTION REBATE AT 75%. AND THE AGREEMENT WILL INCLUDE EVALUATION THRESHOLD AND CAPITAL FUNDING AMOUNTS FOR EACH GRANT. AND THIS INCENTIVE WOULD MAKE THE COMPANY ELIGIBLE FOR NOMINATION TO THE STATE OF TEXAS ENTERPRISE ZONE PROGRAM. IT'S A SEPARATE APPROVAL AND COMPLIANCE 
          PROCESS. ANY QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT 
          FIVE. >> STANDS THE INCENTIVE. HOW MANY JOBS DO THEY CURRENTLY HAVE TODAY? 148 148. I THINK I REMEMBERED YOU PUTTING UP PUTTING IT UP, PERHAPS IN CLOSED 
          SESSION, BUT WHAT'S THE AVERAGE SALARY OF THE COUNTY? >> SURE. SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WHENEVER WE RUN OUR INCENTIVE PROPOSALS, WE BASE IT OFF THE QUARTER THAT WE'RE 
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RUNNING OUR INCENTIVE PROPOSAL. SO IT CHANGES EVERY QUARTER. OUR TEAM IS WORKING ON GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSISTENT ON WHAT WE'RE REPORTING, LIKE AN ANNUAL AVERAGE. SO ON THIS ONE, AT THE TIME OF THE INCENTIVE APPLICATION, LET'S SEE. THE COUNTY'S AVERAGE WAGE IS 61,651 
          ANNUALLY, BUT IT RANGES FROM 25 TO 30 AN HOUR. >> TODAY IT'S AT 64. IS THAT THE NUMBER I SAW? THIS WAS THE TIME OF THE APPLICATION TODAY. WHAT IS IT? 
          >> IF YOU RUN THE REPORT TODAY, I THINK IT'S CLOSE TO 30 AN HOUR. 
          >> THE AVERAGE HOURLY SALARY, CORRECT? >> YES. OKAY. 
          >> SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER I THINK IT'S 66,000 IS 66. >> YES OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK 
          YOU BRANDON. THANK YOU MAYOR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          >> YEAH. >> SEEING NONE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. YOU HAVE THE 
          FLOOR. YES. >> THANK YOU. MAYOR. HAPPILY MOVING APPROVAL OF THIS BECAUSE THE SALARIES OF JOBS THAT ARE GOING TO BE CREATED, AS WELL AS THE CURRENT SALARIES ARE RIGHT AROUND THE COUNTY AVERAGE. THAT'S THE TYPE OF PARTNERSHIP THAT WE NEED WITH OUR BUSINESSES. WE SHOULD BE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO EXPAND THIS. SO YEAH, DEFINITELY HAPPILY MOVING APPROVAL. GREAT AS A TRUCK DRIVER, GREAT PRAISE TO DELIVER. THEY TREAT THEIR 
          TRUCK DRIVERS VERY WELL. SO ALSO VERY HAPPY FOR THAT ASPECT. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          FOUR. >> I SECOND. >> GOLLY. MAN WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ANY ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE. MAYOR PRO TEM I'LL. 
          >> SAVE. HI. >> EVERYONE HAS TO VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO 
          [E. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton approving an economic development agreement under Chapter 380 of the Local Government Code to promote economic development and to stimulate business activity and economic growth of the City of Denton between the City of Denton and PR Gypsum, LLC, regarding the expansion of operations and increase in the number of jobs in the City of Denton; authorizing the expenditure of funds therefore in an amount not-to-exceed $236,857; and providing an effective date. The Economic Development Partnership Board recommends approval (9-0).]
TAKES US TO ITEM E, SIX E WHICH IS D251125. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON APPROVING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT UNDER CHAPTER 380 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND STIMULATE BUSINESS ACTIVITY AND ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THE CITY OF DENTON, BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON AND PR GYPSUM, LLC. 
          >> AND ALL RIGHT, THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I'M HERE TO PRESENT PANERAI'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE APPLICATION. FIRST, I'LL START BY SAYING THAT THIS IS A TRUE RECRUITMENT PROJECT FOR OUR DEPARTMENT. WE GOT THIS LEAD FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS WHO SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION. AND OUR TEAM SUBMITTED A SITE. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. PANEL RAY BECAME WORKING WITH THE STATE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND SITE SELECTION IN JANUARY 2025 TO FIND SITES IN TEXAS. THEY ARE SUBSIDIARY OF GRUPO PROMAX AND IS THE LARGEST PRODUCER OF GYPSUM DRYWALL IN LATIN AMERICA. THEY'RE FAMILY OWNED, SO GRUPO PROMAX IS A FAMILY OWNED MEXICAN BUSINESS CONGLOMERATE WITH MORE THAN 100 YEARS IN THE MARKET, AND THEY'RE BASED IN MONTERREY, MEXICO. GRUPO PROMAX HAS 17 MANUFACTURING FACILITIES ACROSS FIVE COUNTRIES, WITH A CUSTOMER BASE IN 40 PLUS COUNTRIES. IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR, WE RECEIVED THEIR INITIAL INCENTIVE APPLICATION AFTER HOSTING A SITE TOUR. THIS WILL BE THE FIRST MANUFACTURING FACILITY IN THE US. THEY'RE EXPANDING TO SERVE NEW AND EXISTING CUSTOMERS IN THE DFW AREA, AND THEY'VE CHOSEN DENTON BECAUSE OF OUR STRATEGIC LOCATION AND GROWTH IN NORTH TEXAS. THEY ARE SEEKING TO PURCHASE A 60,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, AND FOR THE FIRST PHASE OF THEIR US EXPANSION. THE BUILDING THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT IS 3651 SHELBY LANE, WEST OF I-35. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE BUILDING, AND SO THEY'RE SEEKING TO ADD A 34,000 SQUARE FOOT PATIO COVER, WHICH WILL BE CONSTRUCTED TO PROTECT A LOADING AREA ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS OUTLINED IN RED. AND TWO SOLAR SILOS ON THE NORTH END OF THE BUILDING. 
          BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT IS THAT IT CREATES INDUSTRY AND MANUFACTURING JOBS, FULFILLS AN INTEGRAL ROLE WITH CONSTRUCTION SUPPLY CHAIN. HAS MAJOR CONTRACTS WITH LARGE HOME BUILDERS, INCLUDING D.R. HORTON. WORKFORCE WILL CREATE 20 NEW JOBS WITH A WEIGHTED AVERAGE SALARY GREATER THAN THE CITY'S AVERAGE. AND ON OUR SCORING MATRIX THEY SCORED 89 POINTS, WHICH IS AN EXCELLENT SCORE RANGE. ON THE INCENTIVE APPLICATION, THEY STATED THEY WILL CREATE $15 MILLION IN TOTAL CAPITAL INVESTMENT, WHICH INCLUDES THE SALE PRICE OF THE BUILDING, $2.7 MILLION IN IMPROVEMENTS, 7 MILLION IN BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY AND 
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20 NEW JOBS. THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE OF THOSE JOBS IS $72,733. SO OUR INCENTIVE PROPOSAL IS A 60% REAL PROPERTY REBATE FOR FIVE YEARS, A 60% BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY REBATE FOR FIVE YEARS, JOB BASED GRANT ON QUALIFIED JOBS ESTIMATED FOR FIVE YEARS, WHICH IS $16,500, AND A RELOCATION GRANT. IT'S A ONE TIME PAYMENT OF $50,000, FOR A TOTAL OF $236,857 ON THE INVESTMENT AND CITY REVENUE SIDE. THE CURRENT VALUATION OF THE BUILDING IS $4.7 MILLION. WITH THE ESTIMATED INCREASE, THE TOTAL VALUATION WILL TOTAL $14.4 MILLION. ON THE CITY REVENUE SIDE, WE'RE CURRENTLY COLLECTING $28,000. WITH THE EXPANSION, WE WILL COLLECT $84,000 A YEAR. SO AGAIN, THE EXPANSION WILL CREATE 20 JOBS. THEY HAVE A WAITING SALARY OF 2072, $72,733, AN ANNUAL PAYROLL OF $1.4 MILLION, AND SALARIES RANGING FROM 55,000 TO 175,000. SO THEY'RE CREATING JOBS INCLUDING A PLANT MANAGER, PRODUCTION SUPERVISOR, OFFICE ADMINISTRATOR, OUR LEAD MAINTENANCE MIXER OPERATORS AND SHIPPING LOADERS, WAREHOUSE UTILITY PERSONNEL. AND SO ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN A DIFFERENT COLOR ARE THE ONES THAT WILL BE INCENTIVIZED. ON THE ECONOMIC IMPACT REPORT. THE CITY WILL BENEFIT OR RECEIVE $617,000 LESS INCENTIVES. THE COUNTY RECEIVES 241,000. SCHOOL DISTRICT RECEIVED 612,000, AND THE TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY 23,000 A YEAR. SO PAYBACK PERIOD IS TWO YEARS WITH A RATE OF RETURN OF 38.5%. SO OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS A PERFORMANCE BASED AD VALOREM TAX REBATE AT 60% FOR FIVE YEARS ON NEW BUSINESS, PERSONAL PROPERTY AND REAL PROPERTY TAXES, JOB BASED GRANT AND A RELOCATION GRANT FOR A TOTAL INCENTIVE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $236,857. AND I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT TWO COMPANY REPRESENTATIVES THAT FLEW DOWN FROM MEXICO. JUAN CARLOS AND I HAD THEIR NAMES HERE, I'M SORRY, AND THEIR CHIEF OF OPERATIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO 
          COME DOWN AND SAY A STATEMENT OR NOT. >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. YEAH. NO. 
          COME ON DOWN. >> GOOD TO SEE Y'ALL. >> MARTINEZ IS THE CHIEF OF 
          OPERATIONS. >> YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S THE FLOOR IS YOURS. 
          >> HELLO, EVERYONE. >> GERARDO MARTINEZ. >> AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN. THERE 
          YOU GO. THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO. YEAH. >> CHIEF OPERATIONS OFFICER FOR THE BUSINESS. AND I'M HERE WITH JUAN CARLOS IN ORDER OF. YOU HAVE ANY DOUBTS OR WHATEVER FROM THE INVESTMENT THAT WE'RE PLANNING HERE. SO WE'RE WE'RE OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS. YOU'RE 
          WELCOME. THANK YOU. >> YEAH. SO DO YOU. SO DO WE HAVE IT. JUST KIND OF GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHATEVER YOU THINK THOSE WATCHING WOULD WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE COMPANY OR JUST KIND OF SHARE WHAT WE'RE TO THE BENEFIT OF DENTON, WHAT WE'RE RECEIVING AND YOUR COMPANY. 
          >> THIS IS A COMPANY THAT HAS OVER 100 YEARS. IT STARTED AS A GYPSUM MINING COMPANY WAY BACK. 
          IT'S A FAMILY OWNED. IT'S A FAMILY OF THREE AS OF NOW, TWO BROTHERS AND ONE SISTER. I REPORT DIRECTLY TO THEM. IT'S A GROUP THAT GOES BEYOND JUST THE GYPSUM AND DRYWALL. IT GOES SO OXIDE PRODUCTIONS THAT GOES INTO FARMING AND AGRICULTURE AND EVEN MEDICINES. WE'RE THE LARGEST PRODUCER IN LATIN AMERICA. WE ALSO EXPORT TO THE UNITED STATES. AND THIS IS OUR FIRST STEP TOWARDS HAVING INVESTMENT IN THE US. SO THIS IS ONE SMALL STEP OF THE PLANS THAT WE GOT. 
          BUT BABY STEPS WE NEED TO WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL HERE. >> EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT. 
          >> YEAH. NO. HONORED TO HAVE YOU HERE. THANK YOU TRULY. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THE INVESTMENT AND THE AND THE OPPORTUNITY. AND TO BRITTANY AND HER TEAM FOR GETTING YOU THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO MAKE WHAT WE'RE BIASED BUT WE THINK A GREAT DECISION. SO THANK YOU. 
          >> I APPRECIATE. >> THE TIME. YEAH. WELCOME. >> DID YOU HAVE A GRAND OPENING. 
          >> MOST PROBABLY YEAH. WE SURE. WE LOVE OPENINGS. >> OKAY OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK 
          YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. ANYTHING TO ADD? >> THANK WELL. 
          >> YES. >> JUST A QUICK COMMENT. IN THE LAST MEETING IN IN JUNE 24TH, I THINK I THINK WE HAVE WE PRESENT THE PROCESS. OUR FIRST LINE HERE IN THE STATES IS GOING TO BE A DRYWALL MOLD LINE. BUT WE HAVE PLANS TO GROW TO A SECOND MOLD LINE DRYWALL. AND THEN A METAL LINE IN ORDER TO HAVE THE WHOLE FACILITY WITH FOR METAL STORE LINE AND TO. DRYWALL MOLD LINE. 
          SO THAT IS PLANNED ON THE MIDTERM. >> EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT. THAT'S 
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GOOD. WE MAY HAVE A QUESTION. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. 
          >> COUNCILPERSON JESTER, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS IS SUCH SO MEETING A NEED. NOT ONLY ARE THEY GREAT JOBS AND GREAT PAYING JOBS HERE IN DENTON, BUT THE BUILDING MATERIALS ARE SO SORELY NEEDED IN THIS AREA. AND SO WITH THE FAMILY BUSINESS COMING IN, PLEASE DON'T BE AFRAID TO REACH OUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO, BUT WE'RE THRILLED TO HAVE 
          YOU CONSIDER THE CITY OF DENTON. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          FIVE. >> BRITTANY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. HAPPILY MOVE APPROVAL. 
          >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. >> AND TRAVELS TRAVEL SAFE WHEN 
          YOU ON YOUR ON YOUR WAY HOME. WELCOME TO DENTON I SECOND. >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MAYOR PRO TEM I'LL SEE YOU. EVERYONE ELSE'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. LET'S SEE. SO I'M GOING TO CALL THE REMAINING ITEMS. AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS 
          [F. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton appointing three members to the Community Partnership Committee.]
THOSE OPENLY. SO FIRST IS ITEM F ID 251233. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON APPOINTING THREE MEMBERS TO THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE. ITEM GGD251234. 
          [G. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton appointing three members to the Development Code Review Committee.]
CONSIDER ADOPTION DEPARTMENT. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON 
          [H. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton appointing two members to the Economic Development Partnership Board and the Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Number Two Board.]
APPOINTING THREE MEMBERS TO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE AND AN ITEM HD251235. 
          CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON APPOINTING TWO MEMBERS TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD AND TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE. AND YES. SO THOSE THREE AND THEN IF YOU COULD PULL THAT UP. LET'S SEE. 
          GREAT. OKAY. AND YEAH SO LET'S GET THROUGH. IS THERE THERE'S SOMEONE WILLING TO SERVE TO FILL THE THIRD SPACE HERE. THAT'S THAT'S. OH AND I GUESS I NEED TO PULL DOWN THAT SO I CAN SEE. SO COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE IS WHAT WE'RE ON. NEED A THIRD MEMBER. WE ALREADY HAVE TWO. 
          THAT'S COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND. COUNCILMAN BYRD. IS THERE A THIRD. REPRESENTATIVE FROM 
          DISTRICT TWO? >> ARE YOU ARE YOU TAKING THE DISCUSSION FOR ALL THREE OF 
          THESE POSITIONS AT ONCE? HOW ARE YOU DOING IT? >> NO, THIS ONE IS THE EASIEST. 
          WE JUST NEED TO PLUG IN ONE AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL PARSE THROUGH THE OTHER ONES WHERE THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE. I JUST THIS ONE JUST NEED. WE GOT TO PLUG IN ONE. 
          >> OKAY. WELL IF YOU MIGHT, I MIGHT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST SURE THAT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON PRIOR DISCUSSIONS THAT THAT. THERE MIGHT BE PEOPLE WILLING TO STEP BACK FROM, FROM VARIOUS POSITIONS. AND I'M ONE OF THOSE. SO I, I WOULD BE WILLING TO DO TWO THINGS. VOLUNTEER FOR THIS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ANYONE IN THERE. STEP BACK FROM MY NOMINATION FROM EDP. AND THEN THAT WOULD CLEAR COUNCILOR BYRD AND COUNCILOR JESTER TO BE AN EDP. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE LAST DISCUSSION WE HAVE IS THAT THAT COUNCILOR BYRD MIGHT BE MORE INTERESTED IN EDP THAN DCR. SEE THAT. SO THAT WOULD OPEN UP DRC TO COUNCILOR JESTER, AND THEN WE WOULD NOT NEED TO HAVE ANY MORE OTHER DISCUSSION OTHER THAN WHATEVER PEOPLE WANTED TO HAVE. SO THAT'S NOT A MOTION BECAUSE IT'S MORE IN THE WAY OF DISCUSSION. BUT I FLOAT ALL THOSE THINGS OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO CONFIRM OR DENY. MAYBE 
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          IT'S JUST MY LUNATIC RAVINGS. >> KNOW THAT I I'LL TAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS. MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          >> I'M AGREEABLE TO THAT PROPOSAL IF OTHERS ARE. COUNCILMEMBER. COUNCILMEMBER. 
          JESTER. >> WELL, I'M I'M UNSURE HOW TO APPROACH THIS. I WOULD SAY THAT MY PRIORITY WOULD BE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD BECAUSE OF MY BUSINESS BACKGROUND AND CONTACTS IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY FROM BEING THE A PAST CHAIR OF THAT, WHEN I WAS ALSO CHAIR OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BOARD. SO I THINK I'M JUST MORE SUITED TO THAT. 
          HOWEVER, IF THAT'S NOT THE WAY THAT COUNCIL GOES, GOES, I WOULD SAY MY NEXT WOULD BE THE DEVELOPMENT CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE. AS FAR AS WHERE I THINK I CAN SERVE BEST. THANK 
          YOU. >> BUT CAN I RESTATE WHAT I SAID? 
          >> YEAH. >> BECAUSE YEAH. SO I'M SUGGESTING JILL, FOR BOTH EDP AND DCR AND VICKI FOR EDP AND ME FOR THIS ONE THAT NO ONE WANTS. THAT MADE IT SOUND BAD, BUT. AND THEN THEN THERE WOULD BE NO CONFLICT AT ALL ANYWHERE. AND WE COULD JUST TAKE SIMPLE VOTES IF 
          EVERYONE'S AMENABLE. >> YEAH. THAT WORKS. >> OKAY, SO WHAT WE HAVE IS SO FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG AT HOME IN OUR IN THEIR FANTASY COUNCIL FOOTBALL LEAGUE. HOLLAND BYRD AND BACK FOR OUR CERT WOULD SERVE IN THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE AND THEN 
          BYRD RIMMER AND CHESTER WOULD SERVE ON THE DEVELOPMENT NO. >> INSTEAD OF. 
          >> BYRD MACK INSTEAD OF BYRD. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THAT'D BE COUNCIL MEMBER BECK, RIMMER AND 
          JESTER AND THE DEVELOPMENT CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE. >> OKAY. 
          >> YEAH. AND THEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP WOULD BE BYRD AND JESTER. 
          >> YES, SIR. >> OH, WE GOT ALONG. >> MAYOR, IF I MAY. 
          >> YES. >> JUST WANT TO NOTATE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND AND COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD ON THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE WILL ALSO BE SERVING ON THE DISCOVER DENTON ADVISORY BOARD. OKAY. AND I DO NEED CLARIFICATION REGARDING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD AS TO WHETHER COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD OR COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER WILL BE SITTING IN THE TERM THAT ENDS FOR 2020. THERE'S ONE TERM ENDING 2026, ONE TERM 
          ENDING 2027. SO IF THAT COULD JUST BE IDENTIFIED TO ME. >> 2027, 2027. 
          >> AND THEN I'LL FINISH IT ON TIME. >> WE'LL HAVE TO DO THEM ONE AT 
          A TIME. BUT YES. >> THANK YOU SIR. >> SO YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU 
          NEED. >> YES I. >> DO GREAT. GREAT SUGGESTION COUNCILMAN BACK. SO THAT BEING SAID, I TAKE A MOTION FOR IF EVERYONE HAS IT. SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR. LET'S SEE WHAT IT IS. ITEM F IS FIRST AND THAT IS THE. 
          >> TO THE. >> FOR YOU. >> COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP. AND COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP IS HOLLAND BYRD AND BECK. SO HERE I'LL JUST DO IT. THERE YOU GO. THAT'LL BE 
          EASIEST. >> YEAH I'LL SAY. >> WHOA THROW MY PEN AROUND. 
          >> SO FOR ITEM F THE MOTION IS FOR COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE TO APPOINT COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND, COUNCILMEMBER BYRD AND COUNCILMEMBER BECK. 
          UNDERSTANDING THEY ALSO THAT HOLLAND COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND COUNCILMAN BYRD WILL ALSO SERVE ON THE DISCOVER DENTON ADVISORY BOARD REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. 
          >> SECOND. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? MAYOR PRO TEM SARA. HI EVERYONE ELSE'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. OH, SORRY THAT YOU SET THAT UP. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM WHATEVER LETTERS AFTER F G. IS SHE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO 
          UPDATE THE SCREEN. >> ON THAT AGAIN. >> SORRY OKAY. AND SO ITEM G I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT WE APPOINT 
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COUNCILMEMBER BECK COUNCIL MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER. 
          >> YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE THAT. >> IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO? 
          >> I'LL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. MAYOR PRO TEM, HOW ARE YOU? I EVERYONE ELSE'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THAT TAKES US TO THE LAST ITEM H, WHICH IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD AND TOURIST BOARD NUMBER TWO. AND I MOVE THAT WE APPOINT. COUNCILMEMBER BYRD AND COUNCIL 
          MEMBER JESTER IS REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. >> SECOND WE. 
          >> DO YOU NEED TO DO THE ORDERING, SIR. >> YEAH, WELL, WE'LL VOTE YES. 
          WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO NOTE THAT JUST TO HAVE A CLEAR RECORD, COUNCILMEMBER BYRD TERM WILL TAKE THE TERM THAT END CAN CONCLUDES IN 2027, AND COUNCILMEMBER JESTER WILL BE APPOINTED TO THE TERM THAT CONCLUDES IN 2026. AND REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. 
          YES. >> SECOND. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NONE. MAYOR PRO TEM, I'LL SEE YOU. I EVERYONE ELSE'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES 7 TO 0. THAT TAKES US. THANK YOU ALL THAT TAKES US TO CONCLUDING 
          [7. CONCLUDING ITEMS]
          ITEMS. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. >> I'M SURE EVERYONE IS MINDFUL OF THE TRAGEDY THAT HAPPENED IN CENTRAL TEXAS. THE THIRD AND 4TH OF JULY. PART PART OF THAT. I'M I'M HEARTENED THAT CITY OF DENTON SENT RESCUE PERSONNEL DOWN THERE TO ASSIST IN THAT. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE A LONG, LONG TERM PROJECT. I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK CHIEF OF FIRE CHIEF LEE POOLE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I HAVE A HISTORY WITH HIM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT HE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE ONLINE. I'M SO PLEASED THAT THAT WE HAVE THOSE KIND OF PROFESSIONALS THAT THAT GO INTO THE BURNING BUILDING, THAT CHARGE INTO THE INTO THE FLOOD. GODSPEED. 
          >> THANK YOU. AGREED. COUNCILMEMBER JESTER. >> THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO TAKE JUST A MOMENT OF PRIVILEGE TO SEND OUT A SINCERE THANK YOU, NOT TO THE CITY OF DENTON, ACTUALLY, THIS TIME, BUT TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. THEY HELD A REDEDICATION OF A PARK THAT'S NAMED FOR MY GRANDFATHER, ALBERT ARDELL RANDALLS, WHO TAUGHT AGRICULTURE FOR 44 YEARS, FIRST AT PLANO HIGH SCHOOL AND THEN MCKINNEY HIGH SCHOOL. HE SECURED THE LAND FOR THE COLLIN COUNTY YOUTH PARK THAT IS NOW THE EVERS PARK AND EVENT CENTER, AND HE FOUNDED THE FARM MUSEUM THAT STILL EXISTS TO THIS DAY, AS WELL AS HAD PERFECT ATTENDANCE IN THE LIONS CLUB WAS VOTED MAN OF THE YEAR IN PLANO. BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE GRACIOUS INCLUSION OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS, AND I WAS ABLE TO SPEAK AT THAT REDEDICATION. AND SO JUST A POINT OF PRIVILEGE, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT IN THE RECORD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          >> EXCELLENT. >> COUNCILMAN BURKE. >> YES, I FIRST WANT TO THANK THE MEDICAL CITY HOSPITAL DISTRICT FOR INVITING ME TO BE A PANEL MEMBER FOR A ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION REGARDING ENHANCED PREMIUM TAX CREDITS, OR. WHICH ARE SET TO EXPIRE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR UNLESS CONGRESS TAKES ACTION. AND THIS POLICY HAS HELPED MILLIONS OF AMERICANS AFFORD MARKETPLACE HEALTH INSURANCE, AND LETTING IT LAPSE WOULD HAVE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES FOR OUR REGION. SO THESE FOLKS ARE COMING ON BOARD AND GIVING US SOME INFORMATION TO LOCAL BUSINESSES, SMALL BUSINESSES, PARTICULARLY TO GIVE THEM A BETTER VIEW OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND THEY ARE ALSO PARTNERING WITH OUR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO GET THIS INFORMATION OUT FOR OUR BUSINESSES. SO I WAS JUST VERY HONORED TO BE ABLE TO SIT ON THE ROUNDTABLE. I WILL BE, YOU KNOW, JUST ANSWERING QUESTIONS. I'M NOT GOING TO BE SPEAKING FOR THE CITY OF DENTON PARTICULARLY, BUT I WILL LET THEM KNOW OF MY THOUGHTS, YOU KNOW, IN THIS REGARD. SO I JUST WANT TO PASS THAT INFORMATION ON TO SMALL BUSINESSES. WE WILL BE HAVING 
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THIS ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION ON THIS THURSDAY MORNING BEGINNING AT 8:00 AT THE APPLE PATTERSON BUILDING, THE BUILDING. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME LIGHT REFRESHMENTS THERE, BUT IT SHOULDN'T TAKE VERY LONG. AND WE'RE HOPING THAT ALL OF OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITIES CAN COME OUT AND GET SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION. AS FAR AS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PORTION 
          GOES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY 
          CONCLUDING ITEMS? MAYOR PRO TEM. >> I JUST WANT TO WISH A QUICK, HAPPY RETIREMENT TO CHUCK BALLINGER AT THE EMILY FOWLER LIBRARY. I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO ATTEND HIS RECEPTION ON WEDNESDAY, BUT PLANS CHANGED. BUT YOU KNOW, HE WAS MR. CHOMPERS AND LARRY'S BIG DAY FOR YEARS. HAVE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT? GO TO YOUTUBE. YOU CAN SEE LARRY'S OR LIBRARY. LARRY'S BIG DAY. AND THERE'S THIS WHOLE SERIES AT THE LIBRARY USED TO DO. AND I'VE ALSO REALLY APPRECIATED CHUCK'S RESEARCH ABOUT THE HISTORY OF DENTON. IT'S BEEN REALLY FUN READING ALL OF HIS CONTENT. SO AGAIN, LOOK HIM UP, LOOK UP SOME OF HIS STUFF, LOOK UP SOME OF THE 
          VIDEOS, AND HAPPY RETIREMENT. CHUCK. YEAH. >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. 
          AGREED. MR. CITY MANAGER. >> I JUST I DO WANT TO SAY AFTER COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND MENTIONED THAT THE SITUATION IN KERRVILLE AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. I SPOKE WITH CHIEF HEDGES THIS MORNING AND OUR TEAM IS STILL THERE. THIS IS A VERY, A VERY TRAGIC SITUATION. AND THE RESCUE OBVIOUSLY IS OVER. IT'S RECOVERING NOW AND THERE'S A LOT OF DEBRIS. THE CANINES THAT ARE ON SITE ARE ABLE TO ACTUALLY FIND BODIES AND WATER, WHICH IS REALLY UNUSUAL. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CHIEF HEDGES SHARED WITH US. BUT IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD SIGN WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR OWN TEAM THAT'S BEEN ASKED TO GO DOWN THERE. AND THEY'RE DOING CERTAINLY GOD'S WORK AND HELPING, BUT THEY DO NEED ALL OF OUR PRAYERS, AND THEY'LL BE THERE WILL BE A LONG ROAD FOR RECOVERY FOR THE CITY AND THE OTHER AREAS THAT WERE CERTAINLY AFFECTED. FINALLY, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I'LL BE OUT TOMORROW THROUGH COMING BACK MONDAY AFTERNOON, I'M MOVING ONE OF MY SONS INTO ANOTHER DORM AT A COLLEGE. IT'S NOT A VACATION, I'LL TELL YOU THAT. ESPECIALLY A SON WHEN YOU HAVE TO. YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY HAVEN'T CLEANED THE BATHROOM IN THE SHOWER SINCE YOU WERE THERE LAST, SO. BUT CASSEY WILL BE IN CHARGE, AND YOU'RE IN GOOD HANDS, SO I'LL BE BACK. MAX AND MY REVIEWS WERE IN THE FRIDAY REPORT LAST WEEK IN THE LEGAL SECTION, SO PLEASE REVIEW IT. WE'LL HAVE A HANDOUT FOR YOU. BUT IT WAS THERE SO YOU HAVE IT WAY IN ADVANCE. 
          >> EXCELLENT. THANK THANK YOU FOR THAT AND SAFE TRAVELS. AND THEN I WANT TO I GOT A I HAVE A FEW THINGS I WANT TO TOUCH ON. SO CONGRATULATIONS TO DON DIABLOS FOR THEIR GREAT SEASON. 
          OUR MINOR LEAGUE SOCCER TEAM HERE IN TOWN. THEY PLAY AT T.W.U ON THEIR CAMPUS. AND THEN A SPECIAL SHOUT OUT TO. SO DAMIEN IS AN AMAZING GUY. AND THEN HIS SON HAYDEN MADE HIS DEBUT. HE'S THE YOUNGEST PLAYER EVER TO MAKE HIS USL LEAGUE. USL LEAGUE TWO DEBUT. AND SO THAT WAS REALLY NEAT TO SEE HIM CELEBRATE HIS SON. AND IT'S A LOT OF HARD WORK THAT GOES INTO THAT. HE'S A HE'S AN AMAZING PERSON AND DONE GREAT THINGS FOR THE CITY. SO I WANT TO JUST SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO HIM AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THEY DO. AND THEN AGREED THAT CHUCK THERE AT THE LIBRARY IS DOING DOES DOES SOME GREAT VIDEOS. I SECOND THAT THAT WE PLEASE GO VISIT THOSE IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THEM. THIS PAST SATURDAY WENT OUT AND HUNG OUT WITH THE ARGYLE COMMUNITY CHURCH MEN'S GROUP. 
          AND SO I WANT TO JUST SAY HOW MUCH FUN I HAD WITH THEM. AND THEY'RE DOING SOME REALLY NEAT WORK IN THE COMMUNITY. SO I ENJOYED THE FELLOWSHIP. AND THEN THIS IS INTERESTING. SO UNT COLAB HAD A COMMUNITY ART EXHIBIT THAT KICKED OFF SUNDAY, AND I HAVE A FRIEND THAT TOLD ME ABOUT IT AND UNFORTUNATELY I HAD A SCHEDULE CONFLICT. I COULDN'T MAKE IT, BUT HE SHARED WITH ME THAT HE BOUGHT ONE OF SEAN JACOBSEN'S PAINTINGS. I GUESS HE PAINTED A FLAG THAT WAS SO. SO HE'S HE'S AN ARTIST. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS GREAT. AND THEN HERE IN TOWN. SO HICKORY CREEK BAPTIST CHURCH OUT BY GUYER HIGH SCHOOL WENT OUT AND CELEBRATED THEIR 170TH ANNIVERSARY THERE WITH AND SO GOT TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH PASTOR CASTRO AND THEIR FELLOWSHIP. AND WHAT A GREAT INSTITUTION TO HAVE HERE IN DENTON. AND REVEREND RAPHAEL CRUZ BROUGHT THE SERMON. SO IT WAS GREAT TO HEAR HIM SPEAK. AND THEN THANK YOU, JUDGE HOLLAND, FOR REMINDING, BRINGING UP THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THOSE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THE FLOODS AND MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO SUPPORT THEM. AND THEN LASTLY, CHRISTINE, I WANT TO I'LL EMAIL YOU, BUT I DO WANT TO TAKE YOU UP ON OFFER TO PROVIDE CONTINGENCY FUNDS FOR. AND IF 
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YOU DID NOT KNOW. SO THE DENTON BLACK FILM FESTIVAL IS HOSTING A FREE COMMUNITY CELEBRATION OF THE LIFE OF. SLY STONE THAT IS HAPPENING AT AND IT'S CALLED SLY LIVES. THEY'RE GOING TO PLAY THAT MOVIE AND IT'S ON. IT'S A DOCUMENTARY, I GUESS, AND THEN THAT'S GOING TO BE AT ALAMO DRAFTHOUSE JULY 31ST, 2025. SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN HELPING AND SUPPORTING AND DONATING AS WELL, REACH OUT TO DENTON BLACK FILM FESTIVAL AGAIN, SLY STONE, AND THAT'S JULY 31ST. I DON'T HAVE A TIME YET, BUT THEY THEY NEED SOME HELP. THE CITY MANAGER. 
          >> I FORGOT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE HAVE MCKENNA TOWER, OUR WATER TOWER, LIT GREEN IN SUPPORT OF OUR FRIENDS IN KERRVILLE, TEXAS. AND THANK YOU TO OUR COUNCIL MEMBER, MCGEE, WHO MADE THAT SUGGESTION. LITTLE ELM HAS LIT ONE OF THEIR WATER TOWERS AND THE GREEN AND THE GREEN RIBBONS, AND EVERYTHING IS IN SUPPORT OF OUR FRIENDS IN KERRVIL
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