Jul 22, 2025 City Council on 2025-07-22 2:00 PM (SPECIAL CALLED)

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I'M GOING TO BED. >> OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. THE DATE IS TUESDAY, JULY 22ND, 2025. IT IS 2:01 P.M. CALL THE MEETING. WE

[1. Citizen Comments on Consent Agenda Items]

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> HI, MY NAME IS DEB ARMENTOR. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEM V, WHICH IS ABOUT THE VOTING ON THE ACTION PLAN FOR 2025. HUD, HOME AND CDBG FUNDS. I URGE AND EXPECT THAT YOU ALL WILL BE VOTING YES TO THIS. WHAT I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT IS TO URGE YOU TO CONSIDER AS YOU VOTE YES, THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT IS LEFT OUT OF THIS ACTION PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. AND I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT I MEAN BY THAT. THE ACTION PLAN REPEATEDLY REPEATS ON NUMEROUS TIMES THE PHRASE AND THE COMMITMENT TO MAKE HOMELESSNESS RARE, BRIEF AND NON-RECURRING. THAT THAT PHRASE APPEARS AGAIN AND AGAIN IN THIS PLAN. AND THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR THAT. THAT IS A PHRASE DIRECTLY FROM THE HOUSING FIRST HUD VALUES IN HUD AGENDA. OKAY. AND I KNOW THE CITY HAS BEEN COMMITTED TO THAT RECENTLY. AS YOU KNOW, THERE WAS AN AUDIT DONE THAT SHOWED THAT THE CITY SHELTER HAD NOT BEEN PRACTICING.

THE HUD REQUIRED HOUSING FIRST PRACTICES, THAT THIS ACTION PLAN ESPOUSES WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT MAKING HOMELESSNESS RARE, BRIEF AND REOCCURRING AND NON-RECURRING. THAT'S WHY I ASSUME THE SHELTER IS NOT LISTED IN HERE AS RECEIVING THOSE FUNDS, AND WILL BE RECEIVING, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, ONLY GENERAL FUNDS. I UNDERSTAND THAT, OKAY. HOWEVER, WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS HOW THIS COUNCIL COULD COMMIT TO MAKING HOMELESSNESS RARE, BRIEF AND NON-RECURRING WHILE ALLOWING THE SHELTER TO, ON AUGUST 1ST, REDUCE SHELTER SERVICES AND HOURS, AND THEN ON AUGUST 1ST AND SEPTEMBER 1ST TO REDUCE THEIR OVERNIGHT SHELTER TO JUST A ARBITRARILY HAND-PICKED FEW FAVORITES THAT THAT THIS ORGANIZATION, AS THE AUDIT SHOWS, PICKS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF TRIAGE OR REASONABLE PROCESS WHILE ALL OF THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ONCE DEPENDED ON THIS ONCE 20 473 65 SHELTER WILL BE LEFT OUT ON THE STREET. THIS IS A HUGE CONCERN, AND MOST OF ALL, IT'S A CONCERN FOR THE PEOPLE WHO IT AFFECTS, WHO ARE. REALLY FREAKING OUT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING

TO HAPPEN TO THEM. >> AND THAT IS YOUR TIME. >> OKAY. I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE MORE THING. JUST IF YOU COULD PLEASE SHOW HUD AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT YOU MEAN WHAT YOU SAY IN THIS ACTION PLAN AND USE YOUR AUTHORITY TO PREVENT THESE CHANGES FROM HAPPENING AT THE SHELTER THAT WILL LEAVE SO MANY CONSTITUENTS OUT ON THE STREET. THANK YOU.

[2. Requests for clarification of agenda items listed on this agenda for public hearing and individual consideration.]

>> ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM TWO, REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION ON AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ON THE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. ANY QUESTIONS FOR

[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the Fiscal Year 2025-26 preliminary Capital Improvement Program. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion time: 60 minutes]]

2526. PRELIMINARY CAPITAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. >> THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I'M HERE TODAY TO REVIEW THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526 WITH YOU. I ALSO HAVE WITH ME OUR DIRECTORS, WHO ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT LISTED PROJECTS WITHIN THEIR DEPARTMENTS. SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THE PRELIMINARY FIVE YEAR CIP AND CAPITAL BUDGETS FOR SOLID WASTE,

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SO THIS IS NOT THE CURRENT YEAR. THIS IS NEXT YEAR. AND THESE AMOUNTS HAVE REDUCED FROM THE ORIGINAL SCHEDULES AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH MORE OF A CHALLENGING FINANCIAL TIME THIS LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. FOR THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM, THE PLANNED ISSUANCE WOULD BE 44.2 MILLION. THAT IS DOWN FROM 72.7 MILLION, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR STREET IMPROVEMENTS AND TRAFFIC. WE HAVE BOTH LISTED HERE. WE'RE GOING TO DO 19.3 FOR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, 7.8 FOR RYAN ROAD. TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS. SOME OF THEIR BIGGEST IS GOING TO BE 5 MILLION FOR THE DCT, A TRIP PROGRAM. EXCUSE ME, THAT WON'T BE ISSUED. THAT'S ONE OF THEIR PROJECTS. THE SIGNAL CABINET REBUILDS AND ROAD SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. AND JUST A REMINDER ON THE SCHEDULE. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THAT YOU WILL ADOPT WITH THIS BUDGET. AND THEN IN THE FALL, STAFF WILL COME FORWARD WITH A REFUNDING ORDINANCE WHERE THEY WILL SCRUB THROUGH THESE PROJECTS AGAIN TO START THE LIST AS TO WHAT WOULD BE ISSUED IN THE SPRING. SO THERE'S STILL A LOT OF TIME FOR THESE NUMBERS TO REDUCE AS YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

ADDITIONAL MAJOR PROJECTS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT GOING INTO 2526, WE WILL BE ISSUING AN ADDITIONAL 1.5 MILLION FOR FIRE STATIONS FIVE AND SIX. THOSE ARE THE CHANGES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BACK IN THE SPRING. 4.5 ADDITIONAL FOR THE LINDA MCNATT ANIMAL SHELTER. 12.1 FOR FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS. 2.24 FOR PARK IMPROVEMENTS, $6 MILLION IN FLEET VEHICLES AND FLEET EQUIPMENT, 6.2 MILLION FOR TECHNOLOGY IMPROVEMENTS AND 4.4 MILLION FOR DRAINAGE. SO WE'LL MOVE NOW INTO THE DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC INFORMATION. SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526, FOR SOLID WASTE, THE DEPARTMENT ANTICIPATES NEW CAPITAL APPROPRIATIONS TOTALING 21.71 MILLION. STAFF IS PROJECTING A CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION DEBT, ISSUANCE OF 18.24 MILLION, AND A TRANSFER OF 3.4 MILLION FROM OPERATING REVENUES IN 2526. THE SOLID WASTE FUND WILL FOCUS ON THE ORGANICS PROGRAM, INFRASTRUCTURE AND VEHICLES FOR A TOTAL OF 7.7 MILLION. SO THIS SHOWS YOU A BREAKOUT OF THE PLAN FOR SOLID WASTE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. ONE THING THAT I'D LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO HERE IS THE FUNDING SOURCE SECTION HERE AT THE BOTTOM. SO IN THE NEXT YEAR, IN 2526, THEY'RE LOOKING AT 18.2 MILLION IN DEBT FUNDING AND 3.4 IN REVENUE. THAT REVENUE FUNDING IS GOING TO THEIR VEHICLE ADDITIONS AND REPLACEMENTS. BUT MOVING FORWARD INTO 27 AND BEYOND, THE FUND HAS A GOAL TO FUND ALL OF THEIR VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS AND ADDITIONS, 100% REVENUE FUNDED. AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE REFLECTED HERE. SO THEY'RE MAKING A SHIFT. THIS FUND IS IN A POSITION WHERE IT CAN START THAT SHIFT THIS COMING YEAR TO REVENUE FUNDING, THOSE VEHICLE ADDITIONS AND REPLACEMENTS. SO THAT WILL DECREASE THAT DEBT ISSUANCE THAT WILL BE NEEDED IN THOSE FUTURE YEARS. SO HATS OFF TO SOLID WASTE. THEY ARE WELL ON THEIR WAY. AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO STOP ME OR THE DIRECTORS ARE HERE AS WELL. WE WERE IN A BIGGER HURRY LAST WEEK THAN WE ARE RIGHT THIS SECOND.

>> OKAY. IT'S. MY QUESTION IS, IS IT NOT BETTER TO GO THROUGH EACH HAVE THE DEPARTMENTS AND

ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AS WE AS YOU COMPLETE. RIGHT. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.

>> YES. >> AND SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO ELECTRIC WE'LL DO QUESTIONS FOR

SOLID WASTE. YES OKAY. >> YEAH. QUESTIONS FOR SOLID WASTE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM

DISTRICT SIX. >> COUNCILPERSON JESTER. AND THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE HARD WORK. AND IT WAS GREAT HAVING THIS IN ADVANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTOOD EVERYTHING.

I'M WONDERING OF THE ORGANICS PROGRAM FROM I UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE REVENUE FUNDING, HOW MUCH

OF THAT IS COMING FROM ORGANICS PROGRAM? >> IS THAT PRIMARILY FUND BALANCE? WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT SOLID WASTE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, WE LOOKED AT THEIR FIVE YEAR PROFORMA. THEY HAD SOME SPACE TO MEET THEIR REVENUE REQUIREMENTS FOR FUND BALANCE. AND SO WE WERE

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>> OKAY, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE DIRT AND YOU KNOW WHAT, ALL KIND OF WENT INTO THAT REVENUE

FUNDING. BUT THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. >> YEAH. WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH A BREAKOUT BY THE OBJECT CODE IF THAT'S HELPFUL ON THEIR REVENUE, BUT I COULDN'T TELL YOU OFF THE

TOP OF MY HEAD. EXACTLY. >> OF COURSE, AT SOME POINT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE NICE TO

HAVE. THANK YOU. OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON SOLID WASTE?

>> IF YOU DON'T MIND. >> MR. MANAGER. >> I YOU'LL SEE THROUGHOUT THESE PRESENTATIONS AND I SAID TO STAFF I WAS GOING TO POINT IT OUT. THE GOAL HERE SHOULD BE TO HAVE MORE REVENUE FUNDING THAN DEBT FUNDING. IF WE CONTINUE TO DEBT FUND EVERYTHING, THE CITY IS GOING TO BE IN THEIR EYEBALLS IN DEBT. THE IDEA SHOULD BE TO REVENUE FUND DEBT, FUND SMALL AMOUNTS THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO PAY. AND WITH TWO BILLS. I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU LATER IN MY PERFORMANCE REVIEW. THIS WILL BE VERY APPLICABLE BECAUSE OF THE BILLS HOUSE BILL 19 AND 63. SO THE GOAL SHOULD BE TO REVENUE FUND AND NOT DEBT FUND SO MUCH BECAUSE IT JUST CONTINUES TO PUT

US IN A SITUATION OF UNTENABLE SUSTAINABILITY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. SO SOLID WASTE I DO HAVE ONE JUST TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS. ARE WE WOULD THIS BE AN AREA TO FOCUS ON THE SPEED BY WHICH PEOPLE GET INTO THE TO THE LANDFILL? THE LANE ISSUES? I KNOW WE HAVE ANOTHER LANE OPENING UP, BUT IS THIS THAT AREA WHERE WE WOULD CONTINUE

THAT CONVERSATION? >> LET ME TURN THAT OVER TO SOLID WASTE, TO HAVE AN

OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M BRENDA HANEY. I'M YOUR FAIRLY NEW SOLID WASTE DIRECTOR. IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU. THE SCALE HOUSE WILL OPEN. WE'RE GOING TO DO A RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY NEXT WEEK. NEXT WEEK. RIGHT? YES. AND THEN WE'LL GET THOSE SCALES OPEN AND WE'LL HAVE THREE IN-BOUND SCALES. AND THAT SHOULD DO ALL WE NEED TO IMPROVE THAT SPEED PROCESS ON THE INBOUND TRAFFIC.

>> OVER THE NEXT. THIS IS LOOKING AT HOW MANY YEARS, FIVE YEARS. OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

>> WE WILL CONTINUE TO EVALUATE. BUT REMEMBER WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE LOOKING AT FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, COME ONLINE WITH TRANSFER STATIONS AND WILL BE PUSHING SOME OF THAT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC TO THOSE TRANSFER STATIONS INSTEAD OF COMING ACROSS THAT SCALE. SO THAT WILL

THAT WILL HELP SMOOTH SOME OF THAT GROWTH. >> GOOD POINT. OKAY. AND AS

LEWISVILLE CLOSED, CLOSED STILL IN THE PROCESS OF CLOSING. >> COUNTING DOWN THE DAYS.

>> OKAY. AND WHAT'S THEIR PROJECTED TIME. DO YOU. >> KNOW IN THE NEXT 6 TO 8 YEARS. OKAY. BUT THEY HAVE STARTED TO RATCHET DOWN WHO THEY'RE ALLOWING IN AND ONLY

LETTING A FINITE NUMBER OF VEHICLES IN. >> GOT IT. OKAY. SO WE'LL HAVE A SENSE OF THAT AS WE GO ALONG. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME SIR. >> OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ON TO DME. SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526, THE TOTAL NEW CAPITAL APPROPRIATIONS ARE 63.9 MILLION. STAFF IS PROJECTING A CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION DEBT, ISSUANCE OF 58.43 MILLION, AND A TRANSFER OF 1.4 MILLION FROM OPERATING, AND 4 MILLION IN DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTIONS. THE SEVERAL OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THEIR CIP ARE LISTED HERE. THEY HAVE NEEDS FOR ADDITIONAL CAPITAL OUT AT HUNTER COLE RANCH AND DUE TO NEW BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, DISTRIBUTION, TRANSFORMERS AND SUBSTATIONS, FEEDER EXTENSIONS, SOME MINOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'LL SEE GOING INTO NEXT YEAR. THE FUND DME HAS ASKED THAT. WE ALSO POINT OUT THAT THEY ARE REVENUE FUNDING VEHICLES AT 1.47 MILLION, AND THAT AT SOME FUTURE POINT IN TIME, A TRANSMISSION OVERLOAD PROJECT, WHICH IS PENDING COURT APPROVAL, MAY COME FORWARD TO THIS COUNCIL. IT IS UNCLEAR AT THIS POINT IN TIME WHEN THAT MAY OCCUR, AND TONY IS HERE TO PROVIDE YOU ADDITIONAL DETAIL ON THAT AND WHAT THAT THAT DEAL MAY LOOK LIKE, BUT THAT MAY REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT TO THE BUDGET GOING INTO NEXT YEAR, WHENEVER THAT DEAL MAY BE

COMPLETED. SO I'LL LET TONY TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. >> MAYOR. COUNCIL TONY PUENTE, GENERAL MANAGER AS JESSICA SAID, WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THESE OVERLOAD ISSUES THAT WE'VE WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU. SPECIFIC TO THE DATA CENTER, NOT CAUSED BY THE DATA CENTER, THOSE OVERLOADS WERE ALREADY PRESENT WELL IN ADVANCE OF THE DATA CENTER. CERTAINLY THE DATA CENTER COMING IN CERTAINLY ACCELERATED THE NEED FOR THOSE RESOLVING THOSE TRANSMISSION OVERLOAD PROJECTS. I THINK PREVIOUSLY WE MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS ABOUT EIGHT PROJECTS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT OR EIGHT SCENARIOS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT DAY THAT THOSE

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HAVE. >> GOT IT. SPECIFICALLY SPECIFIC TO THIS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU. TONY. THE PREVIOUS PROJECTS THAT WERE REJECTED I KNOW THEY'RE REJECTED NOW, BUT DO YOU HAVE A BALLPARK FOR WHAT THAT WOULD HAVE COST THE CITY? YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S COST SHARE AND STATE FUNDS AND ALL THAT. BUT JUST TO GIVE US A FEEL FOR THE KIND OF NUMBER YOU MIGHT BRING BACK TO US IN THE FUTURE.

>> YEAH. SO THE OTHER SCENARIOS THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY, THE ONE THAT WE LIKED WAS ABOUT $65 MILLION. THE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, AGAIN, PENDING ONGOING NEGOTIATIONS, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE AT ABOUT 140 MILLION. SO REMEMBER THESE ARE THESE ARE TRANSMISSION PROJECTS THAT WE DIDN'T SOCIALIZE THE COST TO ALL OF THE ERCOT MARKET. AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO RECOUP THE ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE PLUS A RATE OF RETURN. THE RATE OF RETURN FOR THE CITY TODAY IS 6.21%. AND

SO THERE IS REVENUE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE PROJECTS. >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT

CLARITY. YES, SIR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> YES, SIR. >> SO MOVING FORWARD TO ELECTRIC'S FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN. YOU CAN SEE HERE THE REQUEST, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, OF 63.9 MILLION OF THAT, 58.4 WILL BE DEBT FUNDED, 1.4 MILLION WILL BE REVENUE FUNDED. AND THAT IS VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS. AND THEN 4 MILLION WILL BE COST PARTICIPATION GOING FORWARD IN FUTURE YEARS. AND IT'S NOT SHOWN HERE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH TONY ON. IS THAT TRANSITION BETWEEN REVENUE FUNDING AND DEBT FUNDING? ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN FOR DME?

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> WE'RE ROCKING AND ROLLING TODAY. SO MOVING ON NOW TO THE WATER FUND FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526.

NEW CAPITAL APPROPRIATIONS TOTAL 94.9 MILLION. STAFF IS PROJECTING A DEBT ISSUANCE OF 55.6 MILLION, WHICH INCLUDES REVENUE BONDS THROUGH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD PROGRAM WITH FUNDING OF 37.9 MILLION AND A TRANSFER OF 1.3 MILLION FROM OPERATING PLANT IMPROVEMENTS.

TOTAL 34.9 MILLION REPLACEMENT LINES AT 10.2, AND TAPS, FIRE HYDRANTS AND METERS AT 11.2.

IMPACT FEES ARE ANTICIPATED TO OFFSET $2.9 MILLION IN DEBT SERVICE IN 2526. TOTAL PREVIOUSLY APPROPRIATED WAS 90 MILLION. THE FIVE YEAR WATER CAPITAL PLAN THIS PLAN TIES TO THE WASTEWATER PLAN, AND THIS IS PART OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF OR SO IN RELATION TO TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD FUNDING AND THE WIFIA PROGRAM. SO AS WE SPOKE ABOUT LAST WEEK, OUR APPLICATION FOR THE WIFIA PROGRAM IS IN. WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN OUR APPLICATION OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF OR SO TO TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. THAT PROJECT IS UNDERWAY. THAT'S FOR THE EXPANSION AT RAY ROBERTS. SO LISTED HERE IN 2526, THEY ARE ANTICIPATING 94.9 MILLION. AGAIN 55 MILLION WILL BE DEBT FUNDING, 37 MILLION WITH YEAR AND 1.3 MILLION REVENUE FUNDING. THIS CIP IS ONE OF THE LARGER SIPS THAT WE HAVE WATER AND WASTEWATER. WE'LL SEE WASTEWATER HERE IN JUST A MINUTE. AND THAT'S REALLY DUE TO THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE CITY. SO WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, AS WE ALL KNOW, NEEDS TO GET AHEAD OF BUILDING. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE GOAL OF THIS, THIS PLAN IS, IS TO PUT US SO THAT WE ARE ALIGNED WHEN WE HAVE CONTRACTORS COMING INTO TOWN AND ADDITIONAL USAGE

ON OUR SYSTEM. QUESTIONS FOR WATER. >> WATER QUESTIONS

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> I APPRECIATE THE FOCUS ALL THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION ON WHEN WE CAN SHIFT FROM DEBT FUNDING TO REVENUE FUNDING. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS RELATED WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO SHIFT TO REVENUE FUNDING FOR THIS DIVISION? AND IS IT MOSTLY IMPACT FEES OR WHERE WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES? I MEAN,

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DIVISION? >> SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT THIS YEAR, WITH THE RATE INCREASE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK FOR WATER, THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL AS WE INCREASE REVENUES COMING INTO THE FUND. WE ALSO TALKED LAST WEEK ABOUT BUILDING UP THAT FUND BALANCE AS WE GO THROUGH THESE PROJECTS. THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL. AND ANY, ANY TIME THAT WE CAN USE IMPACT FEES IN THE AREAS IN WHICH THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE

USED, THAT HELPS TO OFFSET COST. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

>> YEAH. >> ANY OTHER REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT ONE?

>> THE TAP FIRE HYDRANT REPLACEMENTS. ONE QUESTION REAL QUICK.

>> I'M GOING TO TURN THAT OVER TO STEPHEN. >> OKAY.

>> STEPHEN GAGE, GENERAL MANAGER, WATER UTILITIES AND STREET OPERATIONS.

>> HELLO. HOW ARE YOU? >> I'M WELL. HOW ARE YOU? >> EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE TAP FIRE HYDRANT REPLACEMENTS. HAVE YOU ALL ALREADY KIND OF GRITTED OUT WHICH ONES NEED TO BE REPLACED? I'M SURE YOU GOT TO HAVE DONE SOMETHING TO COME UP WITH THAT

NUMBER. >> YEAH, WE HAVE WE HAVE A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE, I WOULD SAY, PLAN OR LIST OF NEEDED INVESTMENTS. SO WHAT WE DO IS WE GO THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND WE REGULARLY OPERATE THEM AND MAINTAIN THEM. THIS IS PART OF IT. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE GROWTH

THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AS WELL. >> YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS MY THIS WAS LEADING TO THIS QUESTION REGARDING THE GROWTH IS PERCENTAGE OF THIS FUNDING. HOW HOW MUCH OF THAT IS GOING TO GO TOWARDS GROWTH RATHER THAN TAKING CARE OF THE

CORE OF THE CITY? >> IT'S THE LION'S SHARE IS GOING TO GO TO TAKING CARE OF THE CORE OF THE CITY. DEVELOPMENT IS GOING AS AS A CONTRACTOR DEVELOPS A PROJECT, THEY'LL BE INSTALLING THE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THE WATER AND WASTEWATER LINES AND THESE

APPURTENANCES, WHICH ARE THE FIRE HYDRANTS. >> PERTINENCE IS APPURTENANCES.

OKAY. OKAY. I KNOW WHAT PERTINENT MEANS. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I YOU KNOW, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD IN THAT REGARD, I DIDN'T IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT NUMBER, I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A, A PRETTY HEFTY SUM FOR THAT. I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW MUCH WOULD GO TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, THE NEW GROWTH PART VERSUS US TAKING CARE OF THE INNER CITY.

>> AND IT ALSO INCLUDES OUR WATER METERS AS WELL. SO WHEN METERS FAIL, WE HAVE TO BUY NEW

WATER METERS AND REPLACE THEM. SO IT'S FOLDED INTO THAT. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU

SIR. APPRECIATE IT. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

FOUR. >> THANK YOU. SPEAKING OF THAT. YES, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. HOW LONG DO THOSE. HOW LONG? WHAT'S THE LIFESPAN OF A OF A FIRE HYDRANT AND A AND A

UNLESS SOMETHING TRAUMATIC HAPPENS TO IT. >> IT'S A I WOULD ROUGHLY 30 YEARS UNLESS SOMETHING HAPPENS. RIGHT. SO WE OPERATE AND MAINTAIN THEM REGULARLY. BUT YOU HAVE TRAFFIC EVENTS THAT TAKE THEM OUT OF SERVICE AND OTHER OTHER THINGS.

>> SO AND I NOTICE IN IN 20 WHAT IS IT 28 THE FIGURE DROPS DRAMATICALLY. IS THAT BECAUSE

YOU'VE TAKEN CARE OF IT BEFOREHAND? >> YES, SIR. ESSENTIALLY I WAS

GONE THROUGH GONE THROUGH THE SYSTEM. >> I WAS SURPRISED BY THE WAY TO SEE HOW A FIRE HYDRANT WORKS. WASN'T WASN'T ANYTHING LIKE I EXPECTED TO SEE. I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU'RE WELCOME. IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, YOU NEED TO SEE HOW FIRE HYDRANT WORKS. THANK

YOU. >> WELCOME. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS WHO CAN ANSWER IT, BUT I DON'T SEE. WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK TWO PLANTS WHEN WE WERE AT WHEN WE WERE ACCOUNTING FOR THE FEES. I SEE ONE WHAT AM I MISSING?

>> WELL, IT'S THIS IS THE WATER SIDE. WASTEWATER ON THE WASTEWATER.

>> OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. GOT IT. THEN. THAT. YEAH, I WAS JUST. SO WE'LL GET THERE WHEN WE GET

THERE. THANKS. NO WORRIES. >> IT'LL BE NEXT. >> YES.

>> YES. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> OKAY, MOVING ON TO THE WASTEWATER FUND FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526. NEW CAPITAL APPROPRIATIONS. TOTAL.

242.9 MILLION. STAFF IS PROJECTING A DEBT ISSUANCE OF 141.8 MILLION, WHICH INCLUDES CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION WITH FUNDING OF 98.2 MILLION AND A TRANSFER OF 2.8

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>> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR WASTEWATER? SEEING. NONE YET. SO. I JUST I HADN'T GONE BACK TO LOOK. BUT I JUST NEED TO CONFIRM THESE ARE THESE ARE NEW CONSTRUCTION. WHAT IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE AND THEN YOU CAN POINT OUT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION?

>> HANG ON. >> PLEASE. >> SURE. THE MILL CREEK BASIN IS. IT WAS TRIGGERED BY THE I-35 WIDENING. SO WE'RE REPLACING THAT STATION. IT WAS A 3.3 MILLION GALLON A DAY REGIONAL LIFT STATION. THE COOPER CREEK LIFT STATION WAS BUILT IN 2003 AT 8 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, WERE INCREASING ITS CAPACITY UP TO 12 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. THE LIFT STATION WAS BUILT IN 1974. THIS LIFT STATION IS BEING REMOVED FOR A NEW GRAVITY STATION, SO THESE COSTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. YOUR YOUR LARGER INVESTMENT, WHICH IS THE CONCRETE WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1961 AND IS IN NEED OF SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT, BOTH R&R OR REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT AND CAPACITY RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.

AND THEN WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THEM. THAT'S THE LIST OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED.

MAYOR. >> I'M TRACKING WITH YOU. I'M GOING TO TRY TO FIND LAST WEEK'S

PRESENTATION. >> ON THE IMPACT FEES. >> YES, BECAUSE I JUST YOU

IDENTIFIED TWO PLANTS THAT ARE BEING NEWLY CONSTRUCTED. >> YES, SIR. THOSE ARE UP IN THE CLEAR CREEK AND THE HICKORY CREEK BASIN. SO THOSE ARE PART OF THE LONG TERM PLAN. THIS IS FOR THIS. THIS IS FOCUSING ON NEXT YEAR. YES, SIR. WELL THIS SLIDE IS FOCUSING ON NEXT YEAR.

>> OKAY THEN GO. THE NEXT ONE IS FIVE YEARS. SO WHERE ARE THEY CAPTURED THEIR.

>> THAT'S GOING TO BE UNDER YOUR LOOKING FOR YOUR PLANT IMPROVEMENTS. YOU SEE THAT 229,000,000 IN 2027 114 THAT THAT LINE RIGHT THERE. YOUR PLAN IMPROVEMENTS. SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S ALL CAPTURED WITHIN THAT LINE OKAY. THE NEW PLANTS AND THE EXISTING PLANT.

>> SO THAT THAT'S BOTH NEW PLANTS 229 MILLION. >> YEAH THAT'S THE YES. IT'S ALL FOLDED IN THAT LINE. IS THAT THAT'S CORRECT. YES. IT'S ALL FOLDED IN THAT LINE.

>> OKAY. AND THEN. JUST MAYBE I'LL JUST ASK A QUESTION AND YOU CAN STEP ME THROUGH IT.

>> YES, SIR. >> I, I'M TRYING TO TRACK ALONG AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE BUILDING IF IS THAT HALF THE COST MAYBE ON 20, 27. JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY YOU GO.

YOU GO TO 229 MILLION. IF THEY'RE ALL CAPTURED THERE, THEN WHY THE 202 MILLION? YOU $20 MILLION DIFFERENCE THE NEXT YEAR? WHY DIDN'T IT DROP TO. WELL, IT'S 70 SO. SO YOU'RE

DOING SOMETHING RIGHT. SO MAKE THAT MAKE SENSE. >> YEAH. SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU WHEN YOU BUILD A PLANT YOU HAVE AN UPFRONT COST. YOU'LL DO. WELL. IN OUR CASE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO LAND ACQUISITION. BUT YOU DO DESIGN WORK. AND THEN ONCE YOU DO YOUR DESIGN WORK THEN YOU DO YOUR INITIATE YOUR CONSTRUCTION AND THEN YOUR COST RAMP UP DURING YOUR CONSTRUCTION AND THEN THEY WANE AT THE VERY END OF IT. AND SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THOSE PROJECTIONS IS YOU'RE SEEING THAT INCREASE IS RELATED TO COMPLETING THOSE PROJECTS AND

SPENDING THE MONEY TO BUILD THE PLANTS. >> GOT IT. BUT AND I'M JUST

TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. SO IF SOMEONE ASKED ME SO I CAN. >> EXPLAIN.

>> BUT IF I, IF I TAKE WHAT YOU EXPLAINED VERSUS WHAT I SEE, YOU SAY THE COST RAMPS UP.

>> YEAH. WELL COST THE COST TO RAMP UP. YES, SIR. BUT I SEE THE NUMBERS ARE AREN'T ARTICULATING

THAT. YES. >> RIGHT. SO WHY IS THAT. >> THESE ARE ALL THE COSTS RIGHT. OF BOTH THE PLANTS ARE FOLDED IN THERE. YEAH. SO THIS IS JUST THE WASTEWATER PLANTS AND THIS IS YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO I'M NOT GOING TO

ATTEMPT TO ANSWER THAT. RIGHT, RIGHT. >> BECAUSE WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I WANT TO ALIGN WHAT YOU SAID, WHICH I BELIEVE TO BE TRUE. RIGHT? THAT THAT COST RAMP UP,

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>> ON THAT, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT. >> APPRECIATE IT.

>> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT SIX. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILPERSON JESTER, WITH THE EMPHASIS ON REVENUE FUNDING, I SEE THAT THE NUMBER IN THE PLAN REMAINS THE SAME. ARE WE BEING PESSIMISTIC OR OPTIMISTIC OR WHY? WHY DOES THIS NUMBER NOT CHANGE AS WE ARE TRYING TO RAISE THAT NUMBER?

>> SO FOR THIS CIP, THERE WILL BE DEBT FUNDING IN FUTURE YEARS BECAUSE OF THE ENORMITY OF THIS CIP, WATER AND WASTEWATER TOGETHER CAN BE OVER $1 BILLION. SO THERE IS SOME EMPHASIS ON THOSE PROGRAMS. TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, WITH THINGS LIKE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

WHAT I THINK THE I THINK THE GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE IN FUTURE YEARS IS HOW DO WE KNOWING WHAT THIS CIP IS AND WHAT RESOURCE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT INTO IT, HOW DO WE

START TO REVENUE FUND MORE OF THAT? >> YEAH.

>> AND LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE IMPACT FEES AND RATE INCREASES AND WHAT WILL BE NECESSARY TO GET US TO THE END OF THE LINE HERE AND BUILD OUT THIS BILLION DOLLARS IN FIVE YEARS.

>> SO, SO JUST TO ADD ON TO THAT, IF YOUR FUNDING IS ALSO DEBT, IT'S JUST A BETTER RATE.

THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS YOU'RE LOOKING AT WATER AND WASTEWATER, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN WATER HAD TO STEP OUT FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. BUT I WILL SAY LOOK AT WHAT THESE ARE.

THESE ARE NOT NEW. A LOT OF NEW THINGS. LIFT STATION IMPROVEMENTS, REPLACING LINES, COLLECTION SYSTEM UPGRADE, OVERSIZE LINES, PLANT IMPROVEMENTS, OVERSIZE, YOU KNOW, TRAPS, FIRE HYDRANTS, METERS. THAT'S NEW, NEW DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE CATCHING UP FROM YEARS, YEARS OF NOT PUTTING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE BELOW THE GROUND IN ADEQUATELY OR IN A TIMELY MANNER. FOR INSTANCE, WE HAD 22 INCH LINES GOING INTO 18 INCH LINES, 16 INCH LINES, WHICH CAUSED WATER COVERS TO BLOW. THIS IS WHY I DON'T KNOW IF SOME OF YOU ARE ON COUNCIL MEMBER.

COUNCIL MEMBER BECK MIGHT HAVE BEEN COUNCIL MEMBER. I KNOW THE MAYOR WAS WHEN WE HAD TO COME TO YOU AND WE FINALLY DID A WATER ONE WATER MASTER PLAN THAT SHOWED ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAD NOT TAKEN CARE OF IN YEARS PAST. SO PART OF THIS IS INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS FROM YEARS PAST. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE. AND THE OTHER PART OF IT IS WE HAVE GOT TO GET A BETTER HANDLE, JUST LIKE YOU SAW IN WATER, JUST LIKE YOU SAW IN ELECTRIC, JUST LIKE YOU SAW IN SOLID WASTE. THE FEES HAVE TO MATCH AT SOME POINT SO THAT WE CAN USE REVENUE FUNDING FOR THE MAJORITY OF OUR DEBT INSTEAD OF DOING DEBT FUNDING, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT, IF BILLS PASS, LIKE I SAID, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THE DEBT FUNDING. AND SO YOUR FIRST YEAR AND SECOND YEAR, 141 182 PROBABLY UP TO 28 IS KETCHUP. IT'S KETCHUP. IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S FAILING.

IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WASN'T CORRECTLY BUILT FROM LINES. IT'S EQUIPMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. AND SO WE'RE DOING A LOT OF CATCH UP HERE AND THAT. AND THEN YOU LOOK AT FISCAL YEAR 29. LOOK NOT AS MUCH NOT AS MUC. BECAUSE WE'RE REPLACING ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S THE SAME WAY IN WATER AS IT IS IN WASTEWATER. AND WE'VE GOT TO DO A BETTER JOB OF THEN COLLECTING

THE REVENUE AND NOT EXPENDING SO MUCH MONEY THROUGH DEBT. >> WELL, I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON THAT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DISAGREEMENT. THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, AS SOMEONE THAT DOES NOT PRACTICE IN THIS AREA OF WASTEWATER, HOW DO WE SPEARHEAD THESE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THOSE THAT WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO TALK TO US ABOUT HOW OTHER CITIES PERHAPS ARE DOING BETTER AT REVENUE CATCHING, PERHAPS, IF IT'S NOT ALREADY ADDED TO OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION THAT WE SOMEHOW DON'T LOSE TRACK OF THIS, THAT SOMEHOW WE PUT FORWARD SOME KIND OF PLAN SO THAT WE KNOW THAT ACTION IS HAPPENING, HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES. AND I KNOW THAT EVERYONE IS BUSY WITH THEIR JOBS, BUT THIS IS OF THE TOP OF THE LIST OF CITY CONCERNS. SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT AND

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I'LL LET US MOVE ON. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. GOOD. SO IN ALL OF OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT DECREASING DEBT, I HAVE SOME GOOD NEWS. THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM HAS BEEN COMPLETELY ISSUED AS OF THIS YEAR. AND SO ALL THAT WE HAVE LEFT REMAINING IN THAT 2019 BOND PROGRAM IS ABOUT $1.8 MILLION FOR PARK LAND ACQUISITION. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'RE EVALUATING SOME PROPERTY, POTENTIALLY AS PART OF THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, FOR USE OF THAT 1.8 MILLION TO DATE, WE SPENT 70% OF WHAT WE HAVE ISSUED. SO WE ARE BUILDING OUT THE BOND PROGRAM IS REACHING COMPLETION WITH 29% ENCUMBERED AND ONLY 1% REMAINING. THIS SLIDE WE'VE INCLUDED JUST IT'S AN ILLUSTRATIVE OF WHAT THE ISSUANCE WAS FOR THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM. IT SHOWS YOU FROM 20 1920 UP UNTIL 2425 THAT LAST ISSUANCE. THIS IS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT LAST YEAR, THAT 18.9 MILLION, AS WE FINISHED OUT SOME OF THE RECONSTRUCTION NEEDED UNDER THE STREETS. FOR THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM. SO, AS YOU'LL RECALL, IN NOVEMBER OF 2023, THE VOTERS PASSED THE 23 BOND PROGRAM. THE PROPOSITIONS ARE LISTED HERE UNDER THE PROGRAM DESCRIPTION HEADLINE. AND THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR ISSUANCE, AS YOU'LL SEE IN 2526, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE REALLY DECREASED WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE GOING INTO 2526. STAFF HAS BEEN VERY CONSCIOUS OF THE INCREASE IN COSTS THROUGHOUT OUR ECONOMY AND HAS REVIEWED WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT INTO 25, 26 AND BROUGHT THAT NUMBER DOWN GOING FORWARD. THEN YOU'LL SEE SOME PROJECTS HAVE SHIFTED INTO 26, 27 AND ONWARD YEARS. AND THEN I JUST HAVE A QUICK SLIDE ON THE PRELIMINARY DEBT RATE. SO FOR INFORMATION JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, TODAY WE DID RECEIVE THE CERTIFIED VALUES FOR THE CITY OF DENTON FROM DCAD. WE ARE REVIEWING THOSE. WE JUST RECEIVED THOSE THIS MORNING. SO THAT'S NOT FACTORED IN HERE. BUT LOOKING AT GOING INTO NEXT YEAR, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE TAX RATE FOR INS. SO JUST AS A REMINDER, INS PLUS MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS EQUALS THE TOTAL TAX RATE INS INTEREST IN SINKING. HOW IT'S WRITTEN IN THE LITERATURE, ALSO KNOWN AS OUR DEBT RATE. SO OUR CURRENT DEBT RATE IS 0.25064. WE'RE ESTIMATING AN INCREASE AT THIS TIME OF 1.5 CENTS PER $100 OF ASSESSED VALUATION. THAT WILL BRING THE CITY OF DENTON'S PRELIMINARY FISCAL YEAR 2526 DEBT RATE TO 0.2656. FOR THIS RATE IS PRELIMINARY, IT WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE FINAL VALUES. AGAIN, WE JUST RECEIVED THOSE THIS MORNING. HERE ON THE LEFT, I HAVE A CHART THAT SHOWS YOU ESTIMATED PROPERTY TAX BILL.

THIS IS THE CHANGE FROM 25 TO 26. THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE AS YOU CAN SEE, HAS INCREASED.

THAT'S GREAT. THE RATE HAS ALSO INCREASED INCREASING THE INS TAX BILL BY ABOUT $76.19 PER YEAR, FOR AN AVERAGE HOME VALUED AT $386,000. AS A REMINDER, OVERALL, EACH CENT ON THE TAX RATE IS EQUAL TO ABOUT 1.8 MILLION IN REVENUE. DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE RATES IN DEPTH AND TO HAVE A LONGER CONVERSATION THAN WE MAY WANT TO TODAY. AGAIN, WE JUST RECEIVED THAT INFORMATION THIS MORNING, SO THAT WILL BE READY TO BE SHARED WITH YOU ON AUGUST 9TH. SO NEXT STEPS. WE'RE SEEKING SOME FEEDBACK ON THE PRELIMINARY PROJECTS FOR THE UTILITY SYSTEM IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT. AND THEN WE WILL MEET AGAIN ON AUGUST 9TH FOR THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, THE 19TH FOR FOLLOW UP FROM THE WORKSHOP, AND

SEPTEMBER 16TH TO ADOPT THE BUDGET AND TAX RATE. >> OKAY.

>> ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED PROJECTS FOR STAFF

REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO? >> THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE STAFF'S ANSWER ON, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN ROLL OUT VARIOUS PROJECTS GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR'S BUDGETING ISSUES AND NEXT YEAR'S BUDGETING ISSUES. I APPRECIATE THAT THERE'S LIMITED CAPACITY IN A SMALL SPREADSHEET TO SORT OF GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF WHAT KIND OF FOR THE DELAYED

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SO IF WE COULD GET BACK ON THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DELAY THIS ONE YEAR WITH, YOU KNOW, A 2% INCREASE IN COST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEREFORE WE RECOMMEND IT. BUT THIS OTHER ONE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DELAY IT IS GOING TO BE A 50% COST OVERRUN.

AND WE REALLY SHOULD THINK TWICE. AND IT'S GOING TO BE A HARD DECISION PROCESS FOR COUNCIL AND STAFF TO MAKE. SO IF WE COULD GET BACK WITH SOME MORE ADDITIONAL DETAILS, THAT WOULD

BE LOVELY. THAT'S ALL MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. >> COUNCILMEMBER.

>> YES. >> ANSWER ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT I THINK WILL HELP IS WE'RE STAYING FOCUSED ON THE STREETS, ROADS, WATER, WASTEWATER, ELECTRIC UTILITY, THOSE WE CAN'T REALLY BACK OFF A LOT. THE ONES THAT. AND I'LL GIVE YOU A REASON WHY WE PUSHED BACK THE PARKS, THE LIBRARY AND WE PUSH BACK THE SENIOR CENTER. AND HERE'S WHY IS IF WE STARTED TO BUILD IT NEXT YEAR, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO AFFORD THE STAFF THAT'S NEEDED TO STAFF A LARGER FACILITY. SO WE LOOK AT NOT JUST THE NOT JUST THE CONSTRUCTION COST. WE LOOK AT THE OPERATIONAL COST BECAUSE THAT'S UTILITIES, THAT'S THE STAFFING, THAT'S ALL THAT THAT WILL INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY WITH THE LARGER FOOTPRINT. SO THAT'S WHY WE PUSHED IT BACK A YEAR OR SO, SO THAT HOPEFULLY THE BUDGET WILL BE BETTER AND THAT BY THE TIME IT'S BUILT WE CAN STAFF IT APPROPRIATELY, OPERATED APPROPRIATELY, MANAGE IT APPROPRIATELY.

>> THAT'S A GREAT POINT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. IF IT KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS, IF WE COULD POINT OUT ALSO, THEN SERVICE DESIRES LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE WE'RE SORT OF THE REASON WE WANT TO ROLL THESE PROJECTS OUT IS BECAUSE WE'RE UNDER OUR SERVICE COMMITMENT. I'M GOING TO MAKE UP A NUMBER BY 10%, AND WE'D LIKE TO GET THAT WHOLE. BUT TO DO THAT, TO GET TO ZERO FROM MINUS TEN, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO THESE THINGS WHICH ARE GOING TO HAVE THESE COST IMPLICATIONS.

PART OF THE REASON I'M ASKING FOR ALL THESE NUMBERS IS, IS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE THEY JUST SEE PROJECTS TURNED ON AND OFF, AND THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. AND I CAN'T ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS WITHOUT THAT KIND OF INFORMATION. I APPRECIATE THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE? MAYOR PRO TEM.

>> CAN YOU GO BACK? I THINK TWO SLIDES WITH THE INS RATE. YES. SO THE TOP NUMBER OF BASICALLY 5.3 CENTS, THAT'S OVER THE LIFE OF THE PROGRAM. SO IT COULD IN THEORY BE THAT DIVIDED BY SIX WOULD BE THE INCREASE EACH YEAR. IS AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY. YES OKAY.

>> BASICALLY YES. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE SHARED BACK WHEN I GUESS IT WAS 2223 WHEN THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM WAS WAS BROUGHT TOGETHER. THIS IS THE TOTAL INCREASE THAT WAS

ANTICIPATED OVER THE LIFE OF THAT PROGRAM. SO YES. >> OKAY. SO THE 1.5 IS JUST THIS YEAR'S CORRECT. SO IN THEORY IT MIGHT BE ABOUT THAT AMOUNT GOING FORWARD THROUGH THE LIFE OF THE

PROGRAM. >> BASICALLY A PORTION OF IT. YES.

>> RIGHT. I WAS LOOKING AT I PULLED OUT MY OLD BOND FOLDER BINDER. WERE YOU HERE IN 2023?

>> I WAS NOT. >> SO I DIDN'T. >> HAVE TO.

>> SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE SEEN THIS SLIDE. SO MAYBE WE'LL FOLLOW UP. BUT WE WERE TOLD THAT THE 5.1 CENTS WOULD BE IF WE HAD AN ANNUAL GROWTH OF 6%. AND LOOKING OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS IT'S BEEN LIKE TEN, 15%, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH, IT WAS A 15% 20, 24, 10% IN 2025.

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SO MAYBE WE CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO THREE B I'D 251272 RECEIVE

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on the adoption of the 2024 International Energy Conservation Code appendices for EV Ready and Solar Ready for all new construction. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

>> OH YES, SIR. WHAT'S UP? SEPTEMBER. OH. DOWN HERE. SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK

YOU, THANK YOU. YEAH. PERFECT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M AMBER ROGERS, ASSISTANT BUILDING OFFICIAL. TODAY WE'RE GOING TO HOLD A DISCUSSION ABOUT ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING AND SOLAR READY FOR NEW HOMES. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH JUST SOME SLIDES HERE AND KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND THEN ALSO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE CODE ALREADY PROVIDES FOR TODAY. SO JUST FOR THE BACKGROUND, THIS WAS A REQUEST OF COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE FROM A TWO MINUTE PITCH BACK IN NOVEMBER, AND ISR WAS PUBLISHED IN THE FRIDAY REPORT BACK IN FEBRUARY. AND THEN PASCO WAS GIVEN A PRESENTATION IN JUNE. CURRENT CONDITIONS. SO ALL NEW RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION IN THE CITY OF DENTON IS CURRENTLY TYPE ONE EV READY. THE BUILDING CODE REQUIRES FOR RECEPTACLES AT EACH VEHICLE BAY AND GARAGES THAT ARE BOTH ATTACHED AND DETACHED. TYPE ONE CHARGERS DO COME WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES WHENEVER YOU PURCHASE THEM, SO IF YOU WERE TO GO PURCHASE AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE, YOU WOULD GO HOME WITH A TYPE ONE CHARGER.

YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO PLUG IT INTO YOUR RECEPTACLE IN YOUR GARAGE AND CHARGE THAT CAR. THIS DIAGRAM KIND OF JUST SHOWS THE DIFFERENCES IN THE TYPES OF CHARGING LEVELS. SO A TYPE THREE OR LEVEL THREE CHARGER IS CONSIDERED FAST CHARGING. THAT'S FOR PUBLIC PLACES RETAIL. SO LIKE WHEN YOU GO TO A BUCKY'S OR WALMART AND YOU SEE THE CHARGERS THERE, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY TYPE THREE CHARGERS TYPE OR LEVEL TWO CHARGING IS MORE FOR LIKE WORKPLACES AND MULTI-FAMILY. AND THEN TYPE OR LEVEL ONE CHARGING IS FOR HOMES. SO AGAIN, WHAT I SPOKE ABOUT A SECOND AGO, WHEN YOU BUY AN EV, YOU GET THAT TYPE ONE CHARGER. YOU GO PLUG IT INTO YOUR GARAGE. THE CHARGING TIMES THAT ARE REPRESENTED HERE ARE FROM EMPTY TO FULL CHARGE. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. SO IN SUMMARY, THE CURRENT CODE ALREADY MANDATES THAT RECEPTACLES WHICH ACCOMMODATE TYPE ONE CHARGERS ARE PROVIDED IN VEHICLE BAYS. SO OF THE ATTACHED AND DETACHED GARAGES.

WHEN WE TOOK THIS TO I'M SORRY I SKIPPED AHEAD. MY BAD. IF MANDATED EV READY HOMES WOULD REQUIRE ENOUGH SPACE IN THE PANEL FOR A SPARE 40 AMP BREAKER THAT WOULD ADD COST TO THE HOME THAT WOULD BE PASSED FROM THE BUILDER TO THE HOME BUYER. AND JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON PERMITS THAT WE HAVE PROCESSED FOR TYPE TWO CHARGERS IN THE PAST SIX YEARS, WE'VE ONLY ISSUED 58 RESIDENTIAL TYPE TWO CHARGER PERMITS. THE CONSIDERATIONS WOULD BE TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. CONSIDERING THAT TYPE ONE CHARGING IS ALREADY AVAILABLE IN HOMES TODAY. BASED ON THE NUMBER OF

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AGAIN, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, AS WE HAVE ONLY SEEN THE NEED FOR MINIMAL ELECTRICAL UPDATES AND CURRENT ARCHITECTURE TRENDS FAVOR STEEP ROOF PITCHES. IN CONCLUSION, BASED ON CURRENT DATA, IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT THERE IS A NEED TO MANDATE NEW CONSTRUCTION TO PROVIDE SOLAR READY PROVISIONS. AGAIN, PASCO DID NOT SUPPORT IMPOSING MANDATES FOR SOLAR READY AND NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION, BUT AGAIN, THE BOARD DID REQUEST TO CONSIDER INCENTIVES RATHER THAN ADOPTING A CODE CHANGE. AND THEN FOR NEXT STEPS, WE JUST ASK COUNCIL TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION EITHER TO CONTINUE WITH CURRENT CODES AS THEY'RE ADOPTED UNDER UNDER THE 2021, OR AMEND OR UPDATE THE CODES, WHICH IF WE DID AMEND OR UPDATE, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE COMING BACK TO YOU GUYS FOR CONSIDERATION AGAIN. QUESTIONS?

>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FOUR.

>> THANK YOU. YOU MAY HAVE COVERED THIS AND I JUST DIDN'T CATCH IT. WHAT IS THE COST DIFFERENCE. THE CHARGING STATION BETWEEN A3A2 AND A ONE. DO YOU KNOW.

>> SO CURRENTLY TODAY THERE'S NO COST DIFFERENCE OR THERE'S NO COST ASSOCIATED WITH A ONE. YOU GET THE CHARGER WITH THE CAR WHEN YOU PURCHASE IT. IT PLUGS INTO JUST A NORMAL RECEPTACLE IN

YOUR GARAGE. >> OKAY. IF I WENT TO HOME DEPOT OR WHEREVER YOU GO, HOW MUCH

WOULD IT COST ME TO BUY ONE OF THOSE. >> TO BUY THE TYPE ONE CHARGER?

>> YEAH, I DIDN'T, I NEEDED ANOTHER ONE. IT CAME WITH THE CAR, BUT I WANT ANOTHER ONE.

>> SURE. I DO NOT KNOW THAT I CAN DO RESEARCH AND GET BACK TO YOU ON THE DIFFERENCE IN LIKE THE ONE AND THE TWO, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON A TWO BEING INSTALLED. SO THE AVERAGE COST FOR A TYPE TWO CHARGER, IT VARIES, IT VARIES BASED ON THE MANUFACTURER. AND THEN ALSO IF YOU ALREADY HAVE LIKE THE ADDITIONAL ROOM IN YOUR ELECTRIC PANEL AND ALL OF THAT. SO WE ESTIMATED 800 TO $2500 JUST BASED ON RESEARCH THAT WE DID WITH. PUTTING THIS PRESENTATION

TOGETHER. >> SO THE PRESUMPTION WOULD BE IT'D BE LESS THAN $800.

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>> FOR A TYPE. >> ONE FOR A TYPE ONE. CORRECT. RIGHT. OKAY. TELL ME WHY A

SPECIAL PERMIT IS NECESSARY FOR A TYPE TWO. >> TO FOR A TYPE TWO, DUE TO THE ELECTRIC CHANGES THAT HAVE TO BE MADE. SO WHENEVER YOU GET INTO TYPE TWO CHARGING YOU DO NEED A MINIMUM 40 AMP BREAKER. WE HAVE SEEN SOME TYPE TWO INSTALLATIONS THAT REQUIRED A 60 AMP OR 80 AMP BREAKER IN THE PANEL, RATHER THAN JUST THE 40 AMP, SO YOU WOULD NEED AN ELECTRICIAN TO MAKE SURE ONE THAT YOUR CURRENT HOME PANEL CAN SERVE THAT. OR IF YOU WERE BUILDING A NEW HOME, YOUR ELECTRICIAN WOULD JUST HAVE TO LEAVE THAT EXTRA SPACE FOR THAT TYPE TWO CHARGER. OKAY, LET'S SAY SO. FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THE TYPE ONE CHARGER GOES IN A NORMAL 110 RECEPTACLE WHERE THE TYPE TWO WOULD NEED MORE LIKE THE 240 THAT YOUR DRYER PLUGS INTO.

>> OKAY, USING THAT ANALOGY, CAN YOU CAN YOU GIVE ME A IDEA OF WHAT A WHAT A TYPE ONE WOULD BE WITH A, WITH AN APPLIANCE I'M FAMILIAR WITH AND A TYPE TWO WOULD BE LIKE A DRYER.

>> TYPE ONE IS LIKE A HAIR DRYER WHERE A TYPE TWO WOULD BE LIKE A CLOTHES DRYER. GOT IT. DOES THAT

MAKE SENSE? >> PERFECT, PERFECT. THANK YOU. GOOD.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU. UNLESS, YOU KNOW I'D LOVE TO GET. COULD YOU GET BACK TO ME ON THE SOURCE FOR THE 800 TO 2500 AND, AND THE REASON I ASK IS, IS THAT THE COMBINATION OF THE DROP, THE 40 AMP CIRCUIT PLUS THE CHARGER, OR JUST THE COST TO INSTALL A 40 AMP CIRCUIT. AND THE REASON I ASK THAT IS I'VE HAD 40 AMP CIRCUITS PUT IN VARIOUS PLACES AND IN MY HOUSE, AND IT'S COST NOWHERE NEAR THAT.

>> YEAH, THE COST HERE, THE TYPE TWO INSTALLED THAT WOULD BE WITH THE CHARGER.

>> SO THAT'S THE DROP PLUS THE CHARGE, CORRECT. OKAY. BUT IN THE CASE OF AN EV SYSTEM CODE CHANGE, YOU WOULDN'T BE MANDATING THE CHARGER INSTALLED. YOU'D JUST BE MANAGING MANDATING THE ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. CORRECT. INSTALLED. SO IT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION IF WE JUST KNEW WHAT THE ACTUAL PIECE THAT WOULD BE MANDATED VERSUS INCENTIVIZED, WE COULD INCENTIVIZE BOTH THE DROP AND THE CHARGER IF WE WISH TO. YOU KNOW, LIKE IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME BEFORE US AND, AND SAY, HEY, I WANT TO PUT THIS ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE IN AND WE COULD INCENTIVE IF WE WENT THE INCENTIVIZATION PATH. BUT IF YOU WENT THE MANDATE PATH, YOU'RE REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT WIRING BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT A CHARGER IN SOMEONE'S HOUSE FOR A CAR THAT THEY DON'T OWN, THAT, THAT THAT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO MANDATE. I DON'T EXPECT. RIGHT. SO YOU WOULD REALLY JUST BE MAKING IT EASY FOR THE ELECTRICIAN TO GO BOOP AND WALK AWAY AFTER HALF AN HOUR. CORRECT. AND SO IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO KNOW WHAT THOSE DROP CHARGES WOULD BE FOR, FOR OLD AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T MATCH MY LIVED EXPERIENCE FOR WHAT IT COST ME TO PUT A 240 INTO MY GARAGE. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 40 TO 40 FOR MOST MOST THINGS. AND, AND SIMILARLY FOR JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVING ROOF WIRING FOR SOLAR READY, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE. SO IT'D BE REALLY USEFUL FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN INCENTIVES, BECAUSE IF IT'S IF IT'S $800, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $6 A MONTH ON A MORTGAGE. YEAH. SO AND THAT'S WITH, WITH THE CHARGER AND NOT JUST THE WIRING. AND SO IF IT'S JUST THE WIRING AND IT'S LESS THAN THAT, YOU MIGHT BE TALKING 5 OR $4 A MONTH ON A MORTGAGE. AND SO ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S, IT'S NOT IN ANY WAY OR FORM INHIBITORY. THAT'S WELL IN THE NOISE OF CARPET AND PAINT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES INTO NEW CONSTRUCTION. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS WHAT? ONE OF THE POINTS THAT STAFF MADE WAS I HAVE TWO, TWO MORE. MAYBE I SHOULD, SINCE I SEE CHAIR OVER THERE FOR THE FOR THE SCOPE I DID DID HASCO. I'M IN THE I'M IN THE HABIT OF CALLING THEM HIBISCUS FOR SOME REASON, SO FORGIVE ME. DID THEY DID THEY INDICATE EITHER ONE OF YOU? I DON'T KNOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME WHO ANSWERS WHAT WHAT KINDS OF INCENTIVES THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN. BECAUSE I KNOW IN QUESTIONS FROM STAFF, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING NO CHANGE. HIBISCUS WAS RECOMMENDING INCENTIVES. AND

SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT DIFFERENCE. >> REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT WE DISCUSSED DURING THE MEETING IS THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE IT IN THE FORM OF CREDITS VERSUS

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>> BRING BACK A. >> LATER DATE. >> OKAY, BUT IS IT FAIR TO SAY

THAT THE BOARD WAS IN FAVOR OF INCENTIVIZING THIS ACTIVITY. >> VERSUS MANDATING IT? YES.

>> OKAY. VERSUS NOTHING. THERE'S SORT OF THREE CHOICES HERE. CAN I ASK CHAIR OF THAT QUESTION,

MR. MAYOR? >> NO, I'LL ASK HIM TO COME UP IN A BIT, BUT IN GREAT ANSWER,

BY THE WAY. OUTSTANDING. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> OKAY. AND THEN LET ME CHECK MY NOTES HERE. SO. NO I'LL PASS. I HAD MOST OF MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED. THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE?

>> I DIDN'T WRITE ANYTHING DOWN. I THOUGHT I WOULD REMEMBER THE INCENTIVIZING. SO WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO FIND OUT. THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING INCENTIVIZING. NO. WELL, CORRECT ME PLEASE.

>> STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS NO ACTION BECAUSE THE CODES ALREADY ALLOW FOR PROVISIONS FOR EV CHARGING AND SOLAR. WHEN WE TOOK IT TO PASCO, PASCO DID RECOMMEND INCENTIVES VERSUS MANDATES,

OKAY. >> THANK YOU. YEAH. YOU KNOW THAT JUST SOUNDS VERY REASONABLE TO ME IN TERMS OF NO ACTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE ALREADY TAKING PLACE OUT THERE.

SO I'LL CERTAINLY GO ALONG WITH THAT. PLEASE PUT ME DOWN FOR NO ACTION, MAYOR.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YEAH. DIRECTION THE SAME. SO STAFF, WHATEVER YOU HAVE.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> FIRST OFF, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. PLEASE EXTEND OUR THANKS TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. CHAIRMAN, I APPRECIATE STAFF WEIGHING IN ON THIS, MISS CITY MANAGER, AND I APPEAL TO MY COLLEAGUE. STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED NO ACTION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT STAFF NORMALLY DOES. STAFF NORMALLY DOESN'T RECOMMEND ACTION BECAUSE IT PUTS STAFF IN AN AWKWARD POSITION, BUT IT'S OUR JOB TO TAKE ACTION. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TAKE ACTION. THE PEOPLE THAT WE APPOINTED ON THIS BOARD TOLD US THAT INCENTIVES WERE THE WAY TO GO. THE REASON THAT BUILDERS DON'T DO THINGS LIKE THIS IS BECAUSE IT COSTS THEM MORE MONEY TO DO THIS. AND WHAT IS THEIR JOB? THEIR JOB IS TO DO ALL THEY CAN AND CAN ALL THEY GET, RIGHT. THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE MAXIMUM PROFITS FOR THEIR COMPANIES AND THEIR SHAREHOLDERS. THIS BODY HAS WIDE LATITUDE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH AN INCENTIVE STRUCTURE, TO GET BUILDERS TO DO THINGS THAT WE WANT THEM TO DO. WHAT I'M ARGUING FOR IS HAVING A REALLY BIG CARROT VERSUS HAVING A STICK. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE US ALL, LET'S COME UP WITH A BROAD ARRAY OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO SEE ON NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDINGS, AND LET'S OFFER INCENTIVES FOR THEM. THE EASIEST INCENTIVE THAT COMES TOP OF MIND FOR US IS IMPACT FEES. BECAUSE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK, RIGHT. WE JUST RAISED IMPACT FEES TO 75% OF THE NEW MAXIMUM ALLOWED. RIGHT. SO I BELIEVE THE MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE THAT WE CAN CHARGE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS SOMEWHERE AROUND $40,000. CASSIE'S NOT HERE, SOMEWHERE AROUND $40,000. SO WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE 75% OF THAT. SO THAT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE SOMEWHERE AROUND $30,000 ISH PER PER SINGLE FAMILY HOME. IF A DEVELOPER IF A HOME BUILDER OR DEVELOPER, IF A HOME BUILDER IS WILLING TO MAKE A ROOF SOLAR READY. THEREFORE TAKING SOME OF THE COST, THE FRONT END COST AWAY FROM A PERSON WHO WANTS TO BE MORE RESPONSIBLE, WITH WHICH THEY USE OUR NATURAL RESOURCES. I THINK THIS CITY OUGHT TO INCENTIVIZE THAT. I THINK THIS CITY OUGHT TO SAY, HEY, IF YOU DO THAT EXAMPLE, WE'LL KNOCK OFF 5% OF YOUR IMPACT FEES. IF A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YOUR HOMES IN YOUR MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY HAVE THIS FOR MULTIFAMILY, IF A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SOLAR PANELS CAN BE PUT ON YOUR MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE, WE'LL KNOCK OFF 510%. THIS COUNCIL HAS WIDE LATITUDE OVER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. LIKE THIS. OUR COMMITTEE LITERALLY RECOMMENDED WE DO THINGS LIKE THIS. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO BE BROAD WITH WHICH BROAD, BROAD IN THE WAY THAT WE ASK FOR THINGS. SO WE KNOW THAT THIS THIS CITY IS ONE OF THE MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY CITIES IN NORTH TEXAS. SO WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WANT? RIGHT? I THINK THAT MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT ALL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION HOMES AND MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES AND DENTON SHOULD BE SOLAR ROOF READY. WHAT IS THAT WORTH TO THIS BODY? I THINK THAT HAVING A TYPE TWO CHARGER IS WORTH IT. LITERALLY. I BELIEVE TWO DAYS AGO STORIES ON CBS NEWS RIGHT NOW, A TESLA FIRE, A TESLA CAUSED A FIRE IN A HOME. AND THE

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THINGS. >> MR. CITY ATTORNEY, YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE LEGALITY OF THE

IMPACT FEES, PLEASE? >> YEAH, IMPACT FEES HAVE A VERY LIMITED SPECIFIC PURPOSE.

THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY IN STATE LAW FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE AS COUNSEL, BUT THERE'S VERY LIMITED PURPOSES AND USES FOR WHAT IMPACT FEES CAN DO. YOU COULDN'T REALLY PUT THEM ON THE TABLE HERE, BUT I THINK I HEARD ALSO IT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY IMPACT FEES, BUT JUST CONCEPTS FOR HOW WE CAN INCENTIVIZE IT, BECAUSE THE ANSWER IS IMPACT FEES ARE NOT ON THE TABLE AS FAR AS THAT OPTION GOES.

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF DIRECTION? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX

AND MAYOR PRO TEM. >> YEAH SORRY. >> THANK YOU MA'AM.

>> SO MY DIRECTION BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY THE TYPE ONE THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE TYPE OF VEHICLES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WANTING PEOPLE TO USE OR TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO USE THE FACT THAT IT WOULD COST MORE FOR OUR STAFF, MORE COST TO THE HOME BUYER. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE TYPE TWO IS NEEDED OR WANTED. OUT OF ALL THE HOUSEHOLDS IN OUR POPULATION OF OVER 150,000. IN THE HISTORY OF DENTON, YOU SAID WE'VE HAD 58 TYPE TWO PERMITS REQUESTED. SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING OUT AHEAD. AND I'M ALSO UNSURE WHETHER THE HASCO. COMMITTEE ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED INCENTIVES OR THEY SAID, HEY, AS OPPOSED TO ON THE FRONT, CONSIDER INCENTIVES. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO GO BACK TO. BUT BECAUSE OF ALL OF THIS, MY DIRECTION IS TO CONTINUE WITH THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED 2021 CODES, WHICH ALREADY PROVIDE CONDITIONS FOR TYPE ONE EV READY CHARGING AND MINIMAL UPDATES FOR SOLAR INSTALLATION. ALSO, BECAUSE OF ALL THE GOOD INFORMATION IN THIS PRESENTATION, WE NOW SEE THAT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING AHEAD OF TIME AS FAR AS SOLAR THAT MAKES IT PROHIBITIVE VERSUS OF WHAT WE COULD DO OR MANDATE TO BE DONE VERSUS WHAT IS ALREADY IN EXISTENCE. SO THOSE ARE MY $0.02

IN MY DIRECTION. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM. >> THANK YOU. IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUNT THIS BACK TO ASCO TO SORT OF HEAR A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHETHER THEY RECOMMEND NO ACTION VERSUS INCENTIVES, UNDERSTANDING WHICH POPULATIONS TEND TO HAVE THE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO INSTALL SOLAR PANELS, AND THE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO BUY AN EV. FOR ME, THAT'S KIND OF SOMETHING THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT. SO NOT ONLY IF WE MANDATE IT THAT IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ADDING COST TO THE HOME, EVEN TO PEOPLE WHO MAYBE CAN NEVER AFFORD TO GET SOLAR PANELS OR AN EV. OR ALTERNATIVELY, IF WE DO AN INCENTIVE, ARE WE SUBSIDIZING PEOPLE WHO PROBABLY COULD ALREADY AFFORD TO, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY CHANGE THEIR HOUSE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THESE THINGS? SO I'D BE REALLY CURIOUS IF WE CAN POSSIBLY SEND IT BACK TO HASCO TO HEAR THEIR THOUGHTS ON INCENTIVE VERSUS NO ACTION. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD AGREE WITH SORT OF PUNTING IT.

BACK TO CLARIFICATION. >> WE'LL SEE. WHERE WE FALL THERE AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

OKAY. GREAT REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT FOUR. >> YEAH. MY RECOMMENDATION IS NO ACTION. I THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO LEAVE THIS TO THE DISCRETION OF THE OF THE CUSTOMER PAYING THE FREIGHT ON THIS THING. AND, AND IF THEY CHOOSE TO IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO THAT I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL. THIS MIGHT BE THIS MIGHT BE PROVIDING A EQUIPMENT ON A CAR THEY'LL NEVER OWN. SO,

SO I, I SUGGEST NO ACTION. >> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO.

>> WERE WE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE CHAIR OF OBISPO, SIR. >> I AM, BUT I'M GETTING

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DIRECTION FIRST. >> WELL, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE CHAIR SO THAT I CAN FOR

THAT OPINION WILL AFFECT MY DIRECTION. >> SO YOU CAN'T LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I. LET ME REPEAT BACK WHAT I HEARD. YOU CAN'T MAKE A DECISION BASED ON ALL INFORMATION STAFF'S PROVIDED, ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU PROVIDED ASK FROM FRIDAY TO TODAY, ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES YOU HAD TO COLLECT. INFORMATION YOU NEED. INFORMATION LIVE FROM A SINGLE

MEMBER OF A BOARD OF HOW MANY? >> SIX. >> SIX TO MAKE A DECISION OR TO

GIVE STAFF DIRECTION. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND RIGHT. >> YOUR TONE IS UNWARRANTED AND UNPROFESSIONAL. THAT SAID, TOPICS WERE BROUGHT UP DURING THIS DISCUSSION.

>> I JUST NEED TO KNOW YES OR NO. >> KEEP IN MIND YOU DON'T HAVE

TO ANSWER HIM. YOU DON'T. YOU DON'T ANSWER HIM, BROTHER. >> YEAH, YOU SURE DON'T. OKAY,

SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> MY, MY. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO BRING UP THE CHAIR TO ANSWER WHETHER I CAN SUPPORT MAYOR PRO TEM RECOMMENDATION OR NOT. THEN, THEN. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE THE VOTES FOR THAT. I, SIR, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HEAR THE OPINION OF THE CHAIR. OTHERWISE

I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY GIVE DIRECTION. >> THAT'S FAIR. YOU DON'T HAVE

ENOUGH INFORMATION. >> TO THE RULING OF THE CHAIR ON THIS ONE. PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME

DO THIS, GERARD. >> MR. MR. CITY ATTORNEY, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT I GET TO MAKE THE DECISION IF PEOPLE BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T ALLOWED TO SPEAK DURING THIS THING, MAYBE

THAT'LL HELP THEM. >> YEAH. I THINK PROCEDURALLY WE'RE AT THERE'S AN APPEAL. THE DECISION IS OR THE QUESTION IS WHAT RULE HAS BEEN BROKEN IF YOU'RE TRYING TO APPEAL WHAT

WHAT IS THE ITEM THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO APPEAL? >> THE QUESTION THAT I'M APPEALING IS, IS FORCING A DIRECTION, A MOVE FOR DIRECTION. I SHOULD I DON'T WANT TO SAY VOTE. THAT'S WHAT I EQUIVOCATED ON BEFORE. WE'VE HEARD ALL QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ADDITIONAL DATA FROM PERSON IN THE ROOM WHO HAS MATERIAL THAT IS GERMANE TO AN A PROPOSAL THAT HAS BEEN FLOATED DURING DISCUSSION. SO I'M APPEALING HAVING THAT ORDER

AND RIGHT NOW. >> AND YOUR HONOR, IF I MAY, MY, MY SIDE OF THAT WOULD BE WE HAVE A CITIZEN THAT'S HERE THAT'S SITTING OF HIS OWN VOLITION, DIDN'T DIDN'T VOLUNTEER TO SPEAK FOR THAT BOARD, DIDN'T ASK TO BE PUT ON THE SPOT. AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S RIGHT TO PUT SOMEONE UNDER THE, UNDER THE GUN. THAT'S WHY I'M SAVING IT TILL AFTER. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S NOT RIGHT TO PUT SOMEONE TO SPEAK FOR A BOARD THAT DIDN'T ASK TO SPEAK FOR A BOARD, THAT THAT'S JUST THAT'S THE WRONG AMOUNT OF PRESSURE TO PUT ON SOMEONE TO THEN SAY, HEY, I. AND THEN THEY ALSO ARE HEY, MY DECISION WAS BASED ON YOUR INFORMATION AND

YOUR REPRESENTATION. SO MY ARGUMENT IS THAT'S NOT PROPER. >> POINT OF INFORMATION.

>> STATE YOUR POINT OF INFORMATION. >> APPRECIATE THAT AS A STATEMENT OF FACT. THE PRACTICE HAS BEEN WHEN SOMEONE WHO HAS SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE TO A TOPIC IS HERE, WE ALLOW THEM TO TALK. MY EXAMPLE BEING JUST LAST WEEK, MAYOR, YOU ALLOWED ME TO HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS COME DOWN AND TALK ABOUT HIS TIME SERVING ON HIS BOARD. THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE DONE WE'VE DEALT WITH DEVELOPMENT ISSUES, AND YOU'VE ALLOWED THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION TO ADDRESS US. YOU REFERENCED THAT LAST WEEK, SO CAN YOU. YOU DIDN'T. IF I CAN FINISH, YOU DIDN'T SAY, HEY, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO PUT THIS PERSON UNDER THE GUN. YOU LET THAT PERSON TALK. THOSE PEOPLE HAD THOSE PEOPLE HAD SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE. AND I'M NOT GOING TO HURRY UP. I'M GONNA TAKE MY TIME. THEN PEOPLE HAD KNOWLEDGE WHEN THEY CAME AND SPOKE. YOU CAN LAUGH IF YOU WANT. THAT'S FINE.

>> WELL, WHEN. >> THIS PERSON HAS. >> WHEN YOU GET TO THE MEETING

LATE, MAYBE YOU AGAIN. >> I KNOW YOU THINK WE WORK FOR YOU. THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS.

WE DON'T WORK FOR YOU, BRUH. >> BRO. >> BRO. IN FACT, I GOT ELECTED ON THE SAME BALLOT YOU DID TWICE, SO I'M GONNA TAKE MY TIME ANYWAY. RECLAIMING MY TIME. THIS PERSON HAS SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF THESE DISCUSSIONS. IT'S BEEN REFERENCED BY MAYOR PRO TEM AND BY DOCTOR BECK. IT DOESN'T COST YOU ANYTHING TO ALLOW THEM TO COME UP AND SPEAK. THAT HAS BEEN THE PRACTICE IN THE PAST AS YOU'RE ABOUT TO MAKE YOUR RULING.

>> WELL, OKAY, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T MAKE THE RULINGS. I'M NOT THE JUDGE, I'M THE PARLIAMENTARIAN. SO I ADVISE THE CHAIR, I ADVISE THE CHAIR, AND I GIVE THE CHAIR MY OPINION AND HE MAKES A DECISION. SO AS FAR AS THE CHAIR RUNNING THE MEETING AND ESPECIALLY A WORK SESSION, THE CHAIR HAS AUTHORITY TO RUN THE MEETING AS HE SEES FIT, HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE DECISIONS ON THIS AS HE SEES FIT. IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT TO OVERRIDE THE CHAIR, THAT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL. BUT AS FAR AS THE CHAIR, MAKING THAT DECISION IS WITHIN YOUR AUTHORITY, MAYOR, AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION AS FAR AS AS FAR

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THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR. >> OKAY. SO AND YOU'RE FREE TO SAY THAT. SO THERE'S AN APPEAL.

MY POSITION IS THE SAME THAT THE RULES ARE CLEAR. AND IT'S NOT RIGHT TO PUT SOMEONE IN THAT POSITION THAT DIDN'T ASK TO BE PUT IN THAT POSITION. SO THAT BEING SAID, YOU CAN SAY YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GIVE DIRECTION. THAT'S FINE. I'LL TAKE THAT.

>> AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. >> WE'RE MOVING ON. >> POINT OF CLARIFICATION. THE

POINT OF INQUIRY. >> STATE YOUR INQUIRY. >> DID I JUST HEAR HIM SAY THAT THE CHAIR HAS THE RIGHT TO RUN THE MEETING, BUT THE COUNCIL HAS THE RIGHT TO OVERRIDE THE RULING

OF THE CHAIR. >> CORRECT. THE DRIVING PROCEDURE?

>> YES. SO IN THIS PROCEDURE AND THIS IN THIS INSTANCE, IT WOULD REQUIRE A VOTE FOR DIRECTION.

CORRECT? >> ULTIMATELY, YES. YEAH. >> SO SHOULD THE CHAIR NOT THEN

REQUIRE A VOTE TO SEE IF THE COUNCIL OVERRULES HIS RULING? >> NOT AT THIS POINT. THERE

HASN'T BEEN A MOTION TO DO THAT. >> SO WASN'T THERE A MOTION? >> THERE WAS AN APPEAL.

>> HE MADE THE DECISION ON THE APPEAL. >> SO THERE HAS TO BE A MOTION

TO APPEAL HIS DECISION. >> TO THE TO THE BOARD. >> YES. OKAY. I LEAVE THAT TO

DOCTOR BECK TO MAKE THE MOTION THEN IF HE WANTS. >> I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS IN TWO STEPS. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN PLAYING THESE KINDS OF GAMES. THIS IS ALL BS. SO I WILL FOR STAGE ONE I WILL I WILL NOT MAKE THAT MOTION IF SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO MAKE THAT MOTION. I'M JUST TIRED OF THE CHAIR'S NONSENSE FOR THE DIRECTION FROM TO THE CHAIR IN, BECAUSE I CAN'T GET ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THEN. THEN I'M GOING TO FALL BACK ON THE YOU KNOW, MY, MY DIRECTION IS TO, TO MAKE IT MANDATORY BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 5 OR 6 BUCKS ON A

MORTGAGE. >> GOT IT. SO AND THEN MY, MY DIRECTION WOULD BE THIS NO ACTION. AND HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE SUPPORTING INFORMATION FOR THAT. SO I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT BOTH WERE SAID TODAY. IT'S IF YOU IF YOU GO BACK AND READ THE TRANSCRIPT, IT'LL READ IT'S COSTLY FOR DEVELOPERS. SO WE NEED TO INCENTIVIZE IT. THEN IT SAID IT DOESN'T COST THAT MUCH.

WE SHOULD DO IT. THOSE TWO WERE IN CONFLICT. AND THAT'S INTERESTING TO ME AND I DON'T I HAVE NOT DONE THE NUMBER. BUT I ALSO WANT TO EMPATHIZE WITH THOSE THAT WOULD HAVE TO INCUR THOSE COSTS BECAUSE IT WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO INCUR HAS BEEN DIMINISHED OR MINIMIZED.

BETTER SAID, BECAUSE IT TAKES ABOUT A YEAR TO TWO YEARS TO BUILD A HOME, A HOME BUILDER WOULD INCUR THAT COST AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT PROCESS. SO THEY'RE CARRYING THOSE COSTS FOR TWO YEARS. AND SO IT'S GAINING GAINING COST THEN. THEN YOU HAVE TO SOMEONE'S GOT TO FINANCE THE HOME. AND SO THAT INCREASED COST ROLLS INTO THAT FINANCING. AND THEN THAT FINANCING IS ROLLED OVER HOWEVER MANY YEARS THEY CHOOSE TO FINANCE THEIR HOME OR YOU KNOW, AND THEN THERE'S INTEREST AND TAXES ON TOP OF THAT. SO TO MINIMIZE THAT, TO SAY SOME LOW DOLLAR NUMBER IS NOT DOING JUSTICE TO THOSE THAT HAVE TO INCUR THOSE COSTS OR THE PRICE POINT BY WHICH IT WOULD AFFECT THOSE HOMES. AND AT THE SAME TIME, AGAIN, I SAID THIS LAST WEEK, I'LL SAY IT THIS WEEK. I WANT TO TAKE A HOLISTIC VIEW OF THIS. AND SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RAISING IMPACT FEES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL. THERE'S A HOLD ON THE ELECTRIC FEES, BUT THERE'S AN IMPACT FEE THAT WILL INCREASE TO SOME NUMBER. AND SO WE'RE IMPACTING THOSE INCREASES WASTEWATER INCREASE. ALL THESE OTHER THINGS ARE INCREASE. AND AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE INCREASING SOME SOME MANDATE THAT 58 PEOPLE HAVE USED OR SOME SOME NUMBER BETWEEN THAT. IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO BE COMPELLING FOR ME. AND SO THAT IS WHAT GUIDES MY DECISION, IS MAKING SURE THAT AFFORDABILITY COMPONENT AND JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT ON COST, BUT UNDERSTANDING THE MECHANISM FOR THOSE COSTS VERY WELL. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S HOUSE IS DIFFERENT. EVERYONE'S ISSUES ARE DIFFERENT. I CAN'T MAKE A DECISION BASED ON FOR THE ENTIRE

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AND THEN. I, I DON'T SUPPORT IT. I CAN GET ON BOARD WITH THE BOARD TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS. CERTAINLY. I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS GOOD. BUT I WOULD ADD TO THAT, I THINK MORE IMPACTFUL IF I WAS ADDING A LIST FOR THE BOARD, I'D SAY LET'S LOOK AT COVERS BEING MANDATED OR INCENTIVIZED FOR PEOPLE BUILDING PROPER. WHAT I HEAR MORE IS PEOPLE PLUGGING IN OR USING WATER FAUCETS AND NOT HAVING A LOCK ON THOSE AND HAVING A COVER ON THOSE. AND I THINK WE DO REQUIRE THOSE TO SOME DEGREE NOW, BUT THOSE THINGS ARE MORE IMPACTFUL TO ME IN OUR EVERY DAY WHEN I TALK TO BUSINESS OWNERS. BUT THAT SAID THAT THAT'S MY READ OF THINGS AND THAT'S MY POSITION. AND AT THIS. SO THE DIRECTION IS NO ACTION AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED. WELL LET ME ASK MISS CITY MANAGER, DO YOU NEED. DO YOU NEED A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL TO SAY SEND THIS BACK

TO ASK GO TO RELOOK AT IT. WHO SETS THAT AGENDA? >> I WOULD, I WOULD NEED COUNCIL TO GIVE ME THAT DIRECTION. BUT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO, I'M SURE THEY'D BE WILLING

TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN. >> SO IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD ASK THAT THEY TAKE ANOTHER

LOOK AT THAT OR COME BACK WITH THAT? >> I'M JOINING MAYOR PRO.

>> TEM ON THAT ONE. >> GOT IT. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. THERE YOU GO. SO THERE'S FOR PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT I'LL JOIN THAT OKAY.

>> WAS THAT I'M JUST CORRECT ME. >> SO THAT WAS MAYOR PRO TEM REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

FIVE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. AND ME OKAY. >> SO IT'S GOING TO GO BACK TO

JUST GIVE. >> SO THERE'S NO SO NO THERE'S A MAJORITY THAT SAYS NO ACTION.

>> RIGHT. >> BUT THEN THIS INFORMATION AND THIS DISCUSSION, THEY CAN SEE THIS DISCUSSION AND SEE IF THAT IF THAT CHANGES THEIR WORLDVIEW OR.

>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO HIM. >> THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH.

YEAH. SO NO ACTION HERE. NO. IT'LL GET ON THEIR WORK SESSION AGENDA TO DISCUSS AND WORKSHOP

OR DO WHATEVER. AND IT'LL RUN ITS NATURAL COURSE. >> MAYOR.

>> YES, SIR. >> PART OF INFORMATION, PLEASE STATE.

>> YOUR POINT OF INFORMATION. >> SO YOU'VE GOT DIRECTION. IF THE IF THE REEXAMINATION CAME BACK ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WOULD WE, WOULD WE THEN GIVE DIFFERENT DIRECTION OR POTENTIALLY GIVE DIFFERENT DIRECTION? I DON'T SEE WHAT THE POINT OF THE REEXAMINATION IS AT THIS POINT.

>> GOT IT. I THEY DID NOT HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THIS DISCUSSION ABOVE OUR THOUGHTS. AND SO THE DECISION MAKING BODY SAYS THESE THINGS. SO NOW THEY CAN GO BACK AND SAY OKAY IS THERE A IS THERE A NUANCED APPROACH THAT CHECKS THOSE BOXES OR. NO, BUT IT'S YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT HURTS FOR THEM TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION, HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TO WATCH AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY, OH, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THIS OR WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT, OR, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING. SO THE BENEFIT OF THE DECISION MAKING BODY, REVIEWING IT AND EVALUATING.

>> THANK YOU. >> SO, REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE.

>> SO IS THIS GOING TO BE A IS A TYPE OF RESPONSE OR YOU ALL WERE YOU ALL JUST PLANNING ON SENDING SOMETHING DIRECTLY TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAD NOTED? I MEAN, CAN I SEE THE INFORMATION, ALTHOUGH I DIDN'T NECESSARILY REQUEST IT? IS IT GOING TO BE BROADCAST? ALL OF THE COUNCIL

MEMBERS. >> THERE'S NO INFORMATION THAT I UNDERSTAND. MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHOEVER IS THAT STAFF LIAISON WILL GO BACK TO THAT BODY AND SAY, CITY COUNCIL TALKED ABOUT THIS, OR MAYBE THEY COMMUNICATE THE LINK BEFORE TIME AND THEY GET A LINK OF THE VIDEO, THEY

WATCH IT AND THEN THEY HAVE A WORK SESSION. >> OH, OKAY.

>> YEAH. GOT IT. OKAY. SO THAT BEING SAID, MR. CHAIR, IF YOU'LL COME UP, PLEASE, AND YOU'VE

HEARD THE DISCUSSION SO YOU CAN. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> YEAH. NICK STEVENS, CHAIR, HEALTH AND BUILDING STANDARDS COMMITTEE I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> SO I THINK JUST TO START OFF, I MEAN, I THINK THE DISCUSSION IS AROUND INCENTIVE MANDATES.

AND AGAIN, YOU'RE SPEAKING AS AN INDIVIDUAL THAT IS ON THERE. BUT YOUR YOUR THOUGHTS ON INCENTIVES

OR WHAT THAT DISCUSSION WAS AND WHAT WHAT YOU INTENDED. >> AND SO THE DISCUSSION ON

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>> SURE. YEAH. NO THERE'S NO NO BAD ANSWERS OKAY. SO ANYTHING ANYTHING ELSE THAT THAT

REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. >> DID THE BOARD DIDN'T HAVE A DIDN'T HAVE A CONSENSUS BEHIND A MANDATE. BUT THE OPINION COMING FROM THE BOARD WAS ONE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF INCENTIVES.

SO AND YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THE EARLIER QUESTION OF MANDATE VERSUS INCENTIVE VERSUS DO NOTHING CAN CAN YOU DID THE BOARD HAVE A CONSENSUS OPINION ON I GUESS SINCE WE'RE NOT DOING

MANDATE INCENTIVE VERSUS DO NOTHING. >> AND I'M GOING TO CLARIFY WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS, NOT THE BOARD. DON'T SPEAK FOR THE BOARD, PLEASE. YOUR THOUGHTS ON YOUR

RECOLLECTION, YOUR EXPERIENCES. >> OKAY. I WAS NOT I WAS NOT PROVIDED AS CHAIR. ANY IDEAS ON WHAT THOSE INCENTIVES WOULD LOOK LIKE? I WAS WILLING TO AGREE WITH INCENTIVES. MY RECOLLECTION OF THE MEETING WAS THAT BY SAYING WE WANTED INCENTIVES, IT WOULD COME BEFORE COUNCIL TO DISCUSS WHAT THOSE INCENTIVES COULD BE. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

>> I KNOW, AND. I WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT OFFLINE. THAT'S WHAT I'LL DO. THANK THANKS.

NICK. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? GREAT. THANK YOU

VERY MUCH I APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. >> I CLARIFY ONE THING. SO THE STAFF WILL SHARE THIS SESSION WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND LET THEM SEE IT. AND IF THEY CHOOSE TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, MAKE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS OR SOMETHING, THEY CAN DO SO. BUT IT'S NOT A DIRECTION OF COUNCIL. IT'S HERE'S THE PRESENTATION. AND THEN JUST SO YOU KNOW, ANY INCENTIVES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED OR ENDED UP COMING OUT WOULD GO FOR THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THAT WOULD NOT COME TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. IT WOULD BE OUT OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, WHICH WOULD

BE THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE. >> GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN BEFORE YOU GO, AMBER.

>> AND I SAID YES TO REPRESENTATIVE. WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO BE? NO, SIR.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE THREW YOU RIGHT IN THE DEEP END. YOU DID WELL. BUT SO THERE'S AN ELEPHANT TO REMEMBER YOUR FIRST PRESENTATION TO US. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OH, MAN. HOW LONG

HAVE YOU BEEN WITH THE CITY? >> 18 YEARS. >> OH, MAN. OUTSTANDING, MAN.

THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT. OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO GET A PHOTO OP HERE, OKAY? YEAH.

>> THE ENSIGN PULVER OF. >> THE CITY OF DENVER. THAT'S RIGHT.

>> WELL DONE. >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU. >> GOOD JOB. THANK GOD I DO

LIVE. >> OKAY OKAY. SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORK SESSION ITEMS. AND WE

[1. Closed Meeting:]

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[AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE CLOSED MEETING.]

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

>> MOVE APPROVAL AS PRESENTED. >> MAYOR PRO TEM. >> I SECOND.

>> HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA IN ITS ENTIRETY. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. TAKES US TO OUR FIRST ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL

[A. Consider approval of a resolution of the City Council of the City of Denton for the appointment of one member to the Board of Managers of the Denco Area 9-1-1 District for a two-year term beginning on October 1, 2025, and ending on September 30, 2027; and providing an effective date.]

PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS SAM COLETTA.

I AM THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. HERE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU TONIGHT THE DEMCO AREA 911 BOARD NOMINATION. DINGO AREA 911 DISTRICT WAS CREATED IN 1987, IS GOVERNED BY A BOARD OF MANAGERS THAT ARE APPOINTED BY THE COUNTY, PARTICIPATING CITIES AND THE DENTON FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION. EACH TERM, EACH YEAR, THE TERM OF ONE OF THE TWO MEMBERS THAT ARE APPOINTED BY THE MUNICIPALITIES EXPIRES. THE TERM OF BOARD MEMBER SUE TAMIL EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2025, AND MISS TAMIL IS NOT SEEKING REELECTION. ON JUNE 2ND OF 2025, THE CITY RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM DEMCO FOR A CITY VOTE ON THE SLATED NOMINEES AND THEN TO NOTIFY DEMCO OF THE COUNCIL SELECTION BY JULY 31ST OF 2025.

THE NOMINEES ARE JOHN SMITH JR AND STEVE SOUTHWELL. QUESTION QUESTIONS OKAY.

>> THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE ONE CARD TO SPEAK AND THAT'S STEVE SOUTHWELL. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN

AND GIVE YOUR NAME YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> YES, SIR. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS STEVE SOUTHWELL. I RESIDE IN LEWISVILLE. GOT A CALL FROM EMMA.

>> HAVE YOU ADJUSTED UP THERE? >> YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. IS THAT BETTER? YEAH. GOT A CALL FROM MY MAYOR AND MAYOR PRO TEM UP THERE TO ASK IF I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HAVING MY NAME PUT ON THE NOMINATIONS FOR THIS BOARD. 911, AS YOU KNOW, IS A VITAL SERVICE. THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO DO IT OTHER THAN TO DO IT. CALLS HAVE TO GO THROUGH, AND THE BUDGET'S GOT TO GET DONE EVERY YEAR, AND THE SERVICE HAS TO GET PAID FOR. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR. THEY THEY THOUGHT I MIGHT BE USEFUL IN MY IT EXPERIENCE. BEEN GOING ON ABOUT 30 YEARS NOW IN THAT INDUSTRY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE ON THAT BOARD THAT HAS IT EXPERIENCE, BUT THAT'S ME. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO TELL YOU. I'M NOT GOING TO REHASH ALL OF THE BIO AND ALL THE LETTER THAT I SENT EARLIER, BUT I THINK YOU'VE GOT IT IN YOUR PACKET. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME I'M

HERE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS. SEEING NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH I APPRECIATE IT. DO I HAVE A MOTION REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

TWO? >> I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT THE BOARD NOMINATE MR. SOUTHWELL

OKAY. >> AND DO WE TAKE THEM BOTH AT THE SAME. IT'S JUST THE ONE.

>> WHICHEVER ONE YOU CHOOSE WILL BE PASSED ON TO. >> OKAY. GOT IT. BUT THERE'S ONE

SEAT. >> ONE SEAT. CORRECT. >> OKAY. GOT IT.

>> OKAY. WILL SEAT IS THE ONLY ONE OPEN. >> GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO.

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YES. >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY TO MR. SOUTHWELL HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE YOU COMING HERE TO BE WILLING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. ALSO WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU. THE LETTER THAT YOU SENT, TALKING ABOUT YOUR PRACTICAL APPROACH, NONPOLITICAL APPROACH TO SOMETHING THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT POLITICAL AND IS PRACTICAL AND SOMETHING THAT IS NECESSARY. YOUR DEDICATION, IT REALLY HELPED MAKING THIS CHOICE CLEAR. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ON

[B. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with Genuine Parts Company dba NAPA Integrated Business Solutions through the Sourcewell Cooperative Purchasing Network Contract No. 090624-GPC, for the purchase of products and services for the on-site parts facility for the Fleet Services Department; authorizing the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (File 8806 - awarded to Genuine Parts Company dba NAPA Integrated Business Solutions, for one (1) year, with the option for four (4) additional one (1) year extensions, in the total five (5) year not-to-exceed amount of $35,112,000.00).]

BEHALF OF ALL OF US. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. TAKES US TO ITEM B, I'D 251197. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, A HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH GENUINE PARTS COMPANY, DOING BUSINESS AS NAPA INTEGRATED BUSINESS SOLUTIONS THROUGH SOURCEWELL COOPERATIVE PURCHASING NETWORK.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. TOM GRAHAM, DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES AND FLEET SERVICES FLEET SERVICES DIVISION, IS REQUESTING A CONTRACT THROUGH THE COOPERATIVE FOR GENUINE PARTS COMPANY OR NAPA INTEGRATED BUSINESS SOLUTIONS. THE CITY OF DENTON FLEET SERVICES DEPARTMENT REPAIRS AND MAINTAINS OVER 1300 VEHICLE ASSETS, CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT EMERGENCY APPARATUS IS USED BY SEVERAL CITY DEPARTMENTS, OUR ON SITE PARTS, SUPPLY AIDS AND TIMELY REPAIRS REDUCES THE INVENTORY COST AT THE OWNER OF THE CITY, PROVIDES FASTER CREDIT FOR WARRANTIES AND RETURNS, DISPOSAL OF USED FLUIDS, MATERIALS AND TIRES, AND THEN ONSITE CERTIFIED PARTS PROFESSIONALS TO SECURE THOSE MATERIALS. THE PROPOSED CONTRACT ALLOWS FOR THE PURCHASE AND PRODUCTS AND SERVICES FOR THE ON SITE PARTS FACILITY HOUSED AT OUR FLEET SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

THE CITY WILL ONLY PAY FOR SERVICES RENDERED AND IS NOT OBLIGATED TO PAY THE FULL CONTRACT UNLESS NEEDED. HERE'S OUR CONTRACT, ESTIMATED DEVELOPED FROM HISTORICAL SPEND AND FUTURE OPERATIONAL NEEDS, AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THE CONTRACT ESTIMATE BY THE FUND SOURCE THAT WILL BE UTILIZING THIS CONTRACT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A ONE YEAR WITH FOUR ADDITIONAL ONE YEAR EXTENSIONS THE TOTAL OF FIVE YEARS NOT TO EXCEED WITH GENUINE PARTS COMPANY NAPA INTEGRATED BUSINESS SOLUTIONS FOR 35,112,000. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I JUST HAVE ONE. IS THIS IS THIS AN RFP OR. I KNOW IT'S A IT'S A CONTRACT, BUT ARE THERE OTHERS THAT HOLD THE CONTRACTS UNDER THIS. AND WE PICK ONE. HOW

DOES THAT HOW DOES THE SELECTION WORK. >> THIS IS THROUGH THE COOPERATIVE PURCHASING NETWORK. SO IT'S UTILIZED BY MULTIPLE DIFFERENT CITIES AND GOVERNMENT

ORGANIZATIONS TO UTILIZE NAPA'S INTEGRATED BUSINESS SOLUTIONS. >> GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OF

COURSE. MAYOR PRO TEM. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. SO I SAW THE LAST TIME THAT WE RENEWED THIS CONTRACT. IT WAS FOR ABOUT 20 MILLION. AND THEN I THINK FOUR YEARS LATER, MAYBE WE HAD TO ADD ANOTHER 5 MILLION TO IT. DO WE KIND OF KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE, OR ARE WE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THIS 35 WILL BE SUFFICIENT?

>> WE'RE CONFIDENT WITH THE 35 WILL BE SUFFICIENT UNLESS WE RUN INTO SOME CATASTROPHIC MATERIAL SHORTAGES IN THE IN THE COUNTRY, AS WE DID IN 2000, 2022 AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I WOULD ASSUME AT THAT TIME WHEN THE CONTRACT WAS INCREASED, IS THAT WE FELL SHORT ON SPEND FOR THOSE

REASONS, SPECIFICALLY AS THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES,

MA'AM. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX.

>> COUNCILPERSON JESTER, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE

SCREEN. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES

[C. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a Construction Manager at Risk contract with Core Construction Services of Texas, Inc., for construction phase services for the Fire Stations 5 & 6 Project for the Capital Projects Department; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFP 8559 - awarded to Core Construction Services of Texas, Inc., including the Guaranteed Maximum Price in the not-to-exceed amount of $23,730,000.00).]

>> YEAH. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR COUNCIL AARON SKINNER, SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER, CAPITAL PROJECTS, HERE PRESENTING A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR TWO FIRE STATION PROJECTS, PART OF THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM. HERE YOU SEE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECTS. FIRE STATION FIVE WILL BE TORN DOWN AND REBUILT, AND ITS EXISTING SITE NEAR NORTH LAKES PARK. IN ORDER TO PROVIDE EFFECTIVE SERVICE. DURING THAT TIME, WE WILL BE CONSTRUCTING A TEMPORARY TEMPORARY FIRE STATION RIGHT NEXT TO IT. IF YOU'LL RECALL, YOU PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH TRAVIS COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES TO PROVIDE THE LIVING QUARTERS FOR THAT STATION. ONCE THAT STATION IS UP AND RUNNING, WE'LL BEGIN THE DEMOLITION AND CONSTRUCTION OF STATION FIVE.

STATION SIX WILL RUN SIMULTANEOUS TO THE TEMPORARY FIVE PROJECTS. IT'S CURRENTLY GOING TO MOVE APPROXIMATELY THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE SOUTH OF THE EXISTING FACILITY, SO

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THE AMOUNT OF $23,730,000. QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU,

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU. REFRESH ME ON THE TEMPORARY. THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ON SITE QUARTERS. CAN YOU CAN YOU JUST JUST I KNOW YOU TOLD US AND I'M JUST NOT REMEMBERING. CAN YOU JUST REAL BRIEFLY DESCRIBE THE TEMPORARY FIRE

STATION ON SITE FIVE? >> ABSOLUTELY. SO THE TEMPORARY LIVING QUARTERS HAVE ACTUALLY ALREADY BEEN DELIVERED. SO IF YOU DRIVE BY THE STATION NOW, YOU'LL SEEERE. THIS IS GOING TOE TO HOUSE UP TO SIX FIRE PERSONNEL. IT WILL ALSO INCLUDE A BIG SPRUNG STRUCTURE THAT WILL

SERVE AS THE APPARATUS SPACE DURING CONSTRUCTION. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'LL HAVE TO

DRIVE OVER HERE. THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR. >> REPRESENTATIVE. DISTRICT

FOUR. >> I'M WONDERING THE FIVE MONTH DIFFERENCE IN COMPLETION TIME,

THE. >> CONSTRUCTION OF THE TEMPORARY FACILITY FOR FIRE STATION NUMBER FIVE. SO WE WON'T ACTUALLY START CONSTRUCTION ON THE PERMANENT FIRE STATION NUMBER FIVE UNTIL

WE GET THE TEMPORARY. >> SETUP. >> I SEE, I UNDERSTAND.

>> SIR. >> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. >> I READ THE BACKUP. CAN YOU

JUST VISUALLY HELP ME DESCRIBE THE TEMPORARY OPERATIONS? >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

>> SO PAINT A PICTURE FOR ME. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO THERE'S A DUPLEX THAT WE PURCHASED FROM TRAVIS COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES THAT THEY WERE USING FOR THE SAME THING. AND THEN THERE'S A BIG SPRUNG STRUCTURE. THINK KIND OF TOUGH CIRCUS TENT THAT WILL SERVE THE APPARATUS BASE DURING THAT TIME. AND IT WILL ALL BE FENCED OFF AND SECURED. SO IF YOU DRIVE BY NOW, THERE'S ALREADY TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION FENCING AROUND THE LIVING

QUARTERS. >> WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT, TO THAT STRUCTURE WHEN Y'ALL ARE DONE?

>> I BELIEVE THAT'S A FIRE DEPARTMENT OPERATIONAL QUESTION, BUT I BELIEVE THEY HAVE PLANS TO

MOVE IT TO ANOTHER FACILITY WITHIN THE CITY. >> AND REUSE IT.

>> YEAH. >> THANK YOU. YEAH. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX.

>> COUNCILPERSON JESTER FIRST I WANT TO SAY HOW NICE IT IS TO SEE YOU, MR. SKINNER, AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MORE OF YOU HERE. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION VERY MUCH. I KNOW THIS IS A BIG, A BIG INVESTMENT. HOWEVER, THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS AS WELL AS OUR FIRST RESPONDERS IS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, AND IT'S GONE THROUGH ALL THE DUE DILIGENCE. AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I MOVE WE APPROVE AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM. >> I SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND

BEFORE WE TAKE DISCUSSION. I'LL COME DOWN. >> OH IT'S GOING TO THREE. CAN'T STOP. WON'T STOP. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO I JUST WANT TO PRESENT TO YOU.

>> WE'LL START UP HERE. I GOT TO BE NEXT TO THE MIC. PRESENT TO YOU THE THIS ELEPHANT TO REMEMBER YOUR FIRST PRESENTATION TO US. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU. AND HOW LONG

HAVE YOU BEEN WITH THE CITY NOW? >> ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS NOW.

>> OUTSTANDING, MAN. GOOD, GOOD. EXCELLENT. WELL, CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU. HERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL

RIGHT. WE'LL VOTE. SEE HOW YOU. >> OKAY? >> I DO HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION, CHIEF. IF YOU'D BE SO KIND AND THEN WE'LL VOTE. HOW DO WE HANDLE THE ZONES? YOU KNOW, LIKE

THE GREEN ZONE. RED ZONE. AND IN A TEMPORARY SITUATION LIKE THIS. >> FIRE CHIEF. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DECONTAMINATION ZONES THAT WE STARTED IMPLEMENTING STATION NINE. SO OBVIOUSLY AS WE HAVE CONTAMINATION WE TRY TO REDUCE IT INTO THE LIVING AREA. THIS ONE, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO

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POINT. >> RIGHT OKAY. GOOD GOOD. THANK YOU. IS THIS.

>> YEAH. >> SORRY. I WON'T SAY IT. >> I WAS JUST TRYING TO.

>> RUN AWAY. I WAS THINKING IT, BUT I WON'T SAY IT. JUST IMAGINE WHAT I'M THINKING.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. >> WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO 830,

RIGHT? >> NO, I'M TRYING TO GET THE QUESTIONS. WHEN I SAY QUESTIONS.

>> I THOUGHT HE WAS QUESTIONING. OKAY, NOT STRETCHING IT OUT. >> OKAY, WELL, WHEN I SAY

QUESTIONS, GO. >> SINCE YOU'RE HERE, JUST A QUICK SHOUT OUT. WE APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR GUYS GOING DOWN AND TAKING CARE OF OUR NEIGHBORS DOWN IN KERRVILLE. SO WE CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR THEM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND GREAT TO MEET YOUR SON. A COUPLE

WEEKS AGO IN FRISCO. >> OH, OKAY. >> SPLIT AN IMAGE OF YOU. REALLY

IS. I KNEW WHO HE WAS BEFORE HE TOLD ME HIS NAME. >> OKAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> APPRECIATE IT. >> HOLD ON. REPRESENTATIVE FROM

DISTRICT FOUR. >> CHIEF. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD EVENING. I GOT TO GO TO 830.

>> OKAY. >> WONDERING IF YOU MET LEE POOL CHIEF AT HUNT FIRE DEPARTMENT.

>> I HAVE NOT, I KNOW YOU JUST SEND ME AN EMAIL ABOUT THAT. BUT I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REACH

OUT. >> TO HIM. IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, I'D APPRECIATE YOU GIVING HIM MY REGARDS. WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH THE TEMPORARY FACILITY WHEN THE COMPLETION OF

FIVE IS FINISHED? >> SO I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A DELAY. SO THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS OBVIOUSLY HUNTER RANCH IS STARTING TO COME ONLINE. AND THAT JUST FROM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE CITY AND ASSESSING GROWTH IN NUMBER OF ROOFTOPS, THAT'S PROBABLY WILL BE OUR NEXT LOCATION THAT WE'LL NEED TO ACTUALLY PUT A TEMPORARY STATION BEFORE WE ACTUALLY ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT A BRICK AND MORTAR AS WELL. AND ON THAT, OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE DONATING LAND PART OF THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT. SO ENVISION MAYBE, YOU KNOW, A YEAR OR SO OF JUST KIND OF STORAGE AND THEN WE'LL ACTUALLY REPOSITION IT WHENEVER INFRASTRUCTURE HITS IN THE

HUNTER RANCH AREA. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR I HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS, MAN. >> THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THE VIBRANT DISCUSSION. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

[6. CONCLUDING ITEMS]

>> THANK YOU. MAYOR. DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LOOK, WE HAVE A BIRTHDAY COMING UP. JOHN B DENTON WAS BORN EITHER JULY 20TH 6TH OR JULY 28TH. WIKIPEDIA SAYS JULY 28TH. HIS GRAVE MARKER ON THE DENTON COURTHOUSE SQUARE SAYS JULY 26TH. HE WAS BORN IN TENNESSEE AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THE STORY OF JOHN B DENTON. WE'RE RIGHT HERE BECAUSE OF HIM. TWO BIRTHDAYS, A MAN SO NICE.

THEY BIRTHED HIM TWICE. HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JOHN B DENTON. >> DID YOU KNOW HIM?

>> HE WAS. HE WAS TWO YEARS AHEAD OF ME AT DENTON HIGH SCHOOL. AS A MATTER OF FACT.

YEAH, >> HE WENT TO BED. THAT OLD TOO. >> OKAY. ANYONE? ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, THEN I WILL SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU. YES. YEAH. VERY GOOD. AND YOU CAN GO BY TEXAS ROADHOUSE FOR THE TYPICAL PROGRAM THEY HAVE. I THINK IT'S WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY THAT'S AVAILABLE. AND THEN ALSO I WANT TO JUDGE. I'M SURPRISED YOU DIDN'T MENTION KIWANIS IN TOWN THIS WEEK FOR THEIR CONVENTION MAN. NO NO NO NO NO NO NEED NO NEED TO SEND OUT A SOCIAL MEDIA POST. IT'S OKAY. AND THEN AND THEN ALSO THERE I WANT, I WANT TO MENTION. SO FRIDAY I DO BELIEVE. NO. LET ME SEE SATURDAY IS THE CASA HANDBAGS FOR HOPE EVENT. SO THAT'S ALWAYS A GREAT EVENT. I WANT TO SUPPORT THEM AND I DO WANT TO. SO JOE AND I ARE BREAKFAST KIWANIS. I DO WANT TO MENTION THE NOON KIWANIS IS HAVING A MURDER MYSTERY DINNER GALA, AND THAT'S ON FRIDAY, I DO BELIEVE, AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE HOW THAT GOES, BUT THAT'S SO THAT'LL BE REALLY NEAT.

FUNDRAISER. I DON'T KNOW IF TICKETS ARE STILL AVAILABLE, BUT I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE EVENT. GREAT IDEA. SO WITH THAT ALL SINCERITY, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? ANYONE MISS ANYTHING BEFORE WE GET OUT OF HERE? WE'RE ALL GOOD. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE.

>> SPEAKING OF KIWANIS, I'LL SAY A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING ABOUT THE ROTARY CLUB BECAUSE IT ALL FALLS UNDER THE SAME GUIDES FOR HELPING OUR COMMUNITY. OUR ROTARY CLUB NEXT WEEK IS HOSTING

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>> OKAY. VERY GOOD. SO AT 808

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