[A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the Fiscal Year 2025-26 Annual Internal Audit Plan. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. THAT TAKES US TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION. ITEM WORK SESSION A I'D 251536. RECEIVE, REPORT AND

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HOLD DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE FISCAL YEAR 20 2526 ANNUAL INTERNAL

AUDIT PLAN. >> HELLO. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MADISON DENTON, CITY AUDITOR.

I'M HERE TO SEEK DIRECTION ON OUR FISCAL YEAR 2026 ANNUAL INTERNAL AUDIT PLAN. SO JUST AS A QUICK REFRESHER, THE CITY AUDITOR'S OFFICE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING INDEPENDENT AND OBJECTIVE REVIEWS OF CITY FUNCTIONS TO STRENGTHEN PUBLIC TRUST AND PROMOTE CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THESE REVIEWS GENERALLY FALL UNDER ONE OF THREE LINES OF SERVICE RELATED TO ASSURANCE, CONSULTING, AND INVESTIGATIONS, AS SHOWN IN THE FIGURE. IN ADDITION, THE OFFICE PROVIDES SUPPORT TO THE CITY'S BOARD OF ETHICS AND HAS ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIVITIES TO SUPPORT THESE SERVICES, INCLUDING STAFF TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT, PERFORMANCE MONITORING AND REPORTING, AND MANAGEMENT OF THE AUDIT PROJECT QUALITY CONTROL SYSTEM, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY GOVERNMENT AUDITING STANDARDS. AT THIS TIME, THE LARGEST FOCUS OF THE OFFICE IS PROVIDING ASSURANCE SERVICES, SPECIFICALLY AUDIT PROJECTS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT BASED ON CITY AUDITOR'S OFFICE CURRENT STRATEGIC PLAN AND AVAILABLE STAFFING RESOURCES. I PREPARED THE SHOWN PROPOSED TIME BUDGET SUMMARIZED IN THE FIGURE. UNDER THIS TIME BUDGET, MOST OF THE OFFICE'S TIME IS SPENT PERFORMING ASSURANCE SERVICES THROUGH AUDIT PROJECTS AND AUDIT PROJECT FOLLOW UP REVIEWS, WHILE THIS TIME ALSO WELL TIME IS ALSO BUDGETED. I'M SORRY. TIME IS ALSO BUDGETED FOR NON AUDIT, CONSULTATION AND INVESTIGATION SERVICES AND TO ENGAGE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THROUGH PERFORMANCE REPORTING AND FEEDBACK. AND WE ALSO HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS. LIKE I PREVIOUSLY SPOKE ABOUT. SO I'M HERE TO SEEK DIRECTION ON ALLOCATING THESE TIME BUDGET BUCKETS TO SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

AND I'LL BEGIN WITH THE ASSURANCE SERVICES. SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526 THERE ARE ABOUT 220 400 HOURS AVAILABLE TO ALLOCATE TO DIFFERENT ASSURANCE PROJECTS, INCLUDING NEW AUDIT PROJECTS AND AUDIT FOLLOW UP REVIEWS BASED ON THE CITY AUDITOR'S OFFICE CURRENT STRATEGIC PLAN. THERE ARE KIND OF TWO SERVICE LEVEL GOALS THAT I USE TO DEVELOP THE DRAFT ANNUAL AUDIT PLAN. NEW AUDIT PROJECT COVERAGE. COMPREHENSIVENESS AND AUDIT PROJECT FOLLOW UP REVIEW. TIMELINESS. SO, DUE TO LAST YEAR'S AUDIT PLAN CHANGES, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF FOLLOW UP REVIEWS SCHEDULED FOR COMPLETION WERE PUSHED TO FUTURE YEARS. SO THE GOAL FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS TO FOLLOW UP ON AN AUDIT PROJECT INITIALLY WITHIN 27 MONTHS. HOWEVER, THIS WILL NOT LIKELY BE POSSIBLE DUE TO THAT THOSE CHANGES. HOWEVER, BASED ON THAT GOAL, I PREPARED THREE DIFFERENT FOLLOW UP REVIEW OPTIONS FOR THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. DETAILS ABOUT WHICH PROJECTS WOULD BE INCLUDED IN EACH OPTION ARE PRESENTED IN YOUR BACKUP, BUT ESSENTIALLY, OPTION ONE IS TO ONLY COMPLETE THE FOLLOW UP REVIEWS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETED LAST YEAR. OPTION TWO IS TO COMPLETE THE FOLLOW UP REVIEW THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETED LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR. AND THEN OPTION THREE IS KIND OF A COMBINATION OF THOSE THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACKUP.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE KIND OF ON THE SLIDE, THE THE OPTION THAT YOU SELECT IN HERE WILL IMPACT THE NUMBER OF FOLLOW UP, ACTUAL NEW PROJECTS THAT WE CAN DO NEXT YEAR JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIME THAT IT TAKES. SO SPEAKING OF THE NEW PROJECTS, BASED ON DISCUSSION WITH CITY MANAGEMENT AND THE 2024 COMMUNITY SURVEY RESULTS AND A PARTIAL RISK ASSESSMENT, MY OFFICE DEVELOPED EIGHT NEW AUDIT PROPOSALS FOR FISCAL YEAR 26. THESE OPTIONS WERE CATEGORIZED INTO PRIORITY RANKINGS BASED ON RESPONSES TO A SURVEY ISSUED IN AUGUST OF 2025. SO CRITICAL IS ON YOUR LEFT AND MINIMAL IS ON THE RIGHT. AND THAT'S THE THAT'S THE CITIZEN RANKING. AND THEN WITHIN EACH KIND OF PRIORITY RANKING, I'VE RANKED THE PROJECTS BASED ON THE AUDIT RISK RISK ASSESSMENT. SO THEN SO AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE CITIES ARE OUR OFFICE ALSO HAS THE STRATEGIC GOAL TO HAVE COMPREHENSIVE COVERAGE OF THE CITY. SO THE PROJECTS WITH THE DIAMONDS NEXT TO THEM WOULD EXPAND OUR COVERAGE. SO BASICALLY WE'D BE FOR THIS KIND OF CYCLE. SO WE'D BE COVERING A NEW FUNCTION. MAYBE WE'VE COVERED IT IN SOME WAY IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S IN A SIX YEAR CYCLE IS WHERE WE LOOK HOW WE LOOK AT IT. SO AND THEN I DO JUST WANT TO MENTION BEFORE WE GET SO BASICALLY I'M SEEKING DIRECTION ON HOW MANY PROJECTS YOU WANT ME TO PERFORM THIS YEAR FROM THIS LIST. AND I DO JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT WHILE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR THE CITY, MANAGEMENT IS ALSO PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN THE VEHICLE MANAGEMENT AUDIT, WHICH IS IN THE MEDIUM CATEGORY, BUT IS A HIGH RISK AUDIT CATEGORY. SO I GUESS I'LL SEEK DIRECTION AT THIS TIME.

>> DIRECTION FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE.

>> HELLO, HELLO. I HOPE YOU'RE DOING WELL. I AM GOING TO ASK YOU ALL TO DO THE MEDIUM. I AM PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN THE TOURISM INITIATIVES FOR ME PERSONALLY. AND THEN THE NUMBER TWO ON THE OTHER PAGE. THIS PAGE? YES. COMPLETE CATCH UP. I THINK THIS IS THE REALITY OF

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WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON WITH YOUR WORK. YOU NEED MORE TIME AND I'M WILLING TO NOT HAVE AS MANY THINGS. I KNOW IT SOUNDED LIKE A LOT ON THE OTHER PAGE. I GOT THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO MATCH UP WITH THIS NUMBER TWO, REALLY, BUT JUST FINDING THE OTHER TWO PRIORITIES. I'LL LISTEN UP TO SEE WHAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY, BUT WE REALLY DO NEED TO CATCH UP. I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS IN TERMS OF EVERYTHING. WE'RE ALWAYS IN A

CATCH UP MODE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR PRO TEM.

>> I WILL SECOND THE SUPPORT. I SUPPOSE THE THE THE IDEA OF CATCH UP. AT FIRST I THOUGHT I LIKED THE COVERAGE GOAL AND WHEN I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, WHAT'S THE POINT OF DOING AN AUDIT IF WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING UP IN A TIMELY MANNER? SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT ACTION WAS ACTUALLY TAKEN IN RESPONSE TO AN AUDIT. SO I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT THE CATCH UP. I'M GOING TO BE VERY EXCITED TO SEE THE FINANCIAL PLANNING. I MEAN, THAT'S CORE TO A CITY IF YOUR FINANCES AREN'T IN ORDER. IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO THE REST OF WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. AND I THINK THE CATCH UP IS, OR THE CATCH UP HAS US AT LIKE TWO NEW ONES. FOR THAT ONE. FOR A SECOND, I WOULD SAY CLIMATE RESILIENCY ON THAT.

>> THANK YOU, THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. THEN TWO.

>> I WOULD FOLLOW SUIT. >> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. >> I AGREE.

>> WITH MAYOR PRO TEM. >> ALL RIGHT. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT SIX.

>> IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO GIVE DIRECTION AS FAR AS THE ENTIRE PLAN, NOT JUST THE CATCH

UP VERSUS NEW ITEMS? >> YEAH. >> OKAY. GREAT. SO FIRST I JUST WANT TO SAY I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CHANGE THIS, BUT I AM DEFINITELY OPEN TO IDEAS OF HOW TO GET MORE CITIZEN AND RESIDENT INPUT. I THINK WE HAVE 0.10% OF CITIZENS THAT RESPONDED. AND SO WHILE WE OF COURSE WANT TO TAKE EVERY RESIDENT THAT TOOK THE TIME TO COMPLETE THE SURVEYS OPINION INTO CONSIDERATION, THERE IS THE QUESTION OF HOW MUCH WEIGHT TO GIVE. WHEN YOU CONSIDER IT'S, WELL, LESS THAN 1% THAT ARE ACTUALLY GOING ON AND FILLING THIS OUT AS WELL AS I'M NOT SURE WHERE COUNCIL IS PART OF BUILDING THE PRIORITIES, BUT I THINK IN THE FUTURE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL MAYBE TO HAVE A EITHER SOME KIND OF SPECIFIC REQUEST OR HERE'S KIND OF THE IDEAS OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE RESIDENTS AND STAFF. CAN YOU KIND OF RANK AND GIVE ME AN IDEA BEFORE WE COME HERE TODAY? THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS. I ALSO THINK THAT WITH ALL OF THE AUDITS, ESPECIALLY IN THE TIME WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT TO FOCUS ON FINANCIAL EFFICIENCIES. I THINK THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT I'M SEEING AND THAT I'M HEARING FROM PEOPLE AS FAR AS WHAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE BOARD. SO WITH THAT, I'M I'M IN SYNC WITH IT SOUNDS THE REST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT I THINK COULD LEAD TO THE BIGGEST SAVINGS. RIGHT NOW, I THINK IS IMPORTANT, STARTING WITH, OF COURSE, THE FINANCIAL PLANNING. I WOULD SAY IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE JAIL OPERATIONS, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD NOT ONLY THAT INMATES REMAIN SAFE AND SECURE AND THAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE PROTECTED, BUT THAT ALSO WE LOOK AT THE JAIL PERSONNEL'S SAFETY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THEY HAVE IN PLACE, THEY ARE KEEPING SAFE AS WELL. AND AS FAR AS THE VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT WE COULD FIND SOME. AND I'VE GOT A TWO MINUTE PITCH TALKING ABOUT THAT. I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO STREAMLINE AND MAKE THOSE MORE EFFICIENT AS WELL. SO I WOULD SAY THAT IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE WE'RE NOT GOING TO AS FAR AS AUDIT PROGRAM, WHICH I GET, I WANTED TO INCLUDE IN THERE EFFICIENCIES AND COMPARABLE WITH SMALLER SIZE WITH SIMILAR SIZED CITIES AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING DUPLICATION OF EFFORTS AND RESOURCES AND WHAT WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING. I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE TERM EQUITY AS AN ATTORNEY, ANYTHING THAT'S KIND OF FLUFFY OR COULD BE INTERPRETED DIFFERENT WAYS, THEY KIND OF STAND OUT TO ME.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WITH JAIL OPERATIONS THAT WE'RE YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT EQUITY AS WELL AS THE CLIMATE RESILIENCY AND THE VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT, WHAT KIND OF EQUITY

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THERE IS, AS WELL AS IN THE TOURISM INITIATIVES AND THE LIBRARY OPERATIONS. AND SO MY QUESTION IS, AS FAR AS EQUITY, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE CLIMATE RESILIENCY, IS THE INTENTION OF USING THE WORD EQUITY TO SAY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF POLLUTION, OR YOU'RE SAYING THAT ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF PEOPLE CAN PARTICIPATE IN CLIMATE RESILIENCY. LIKE I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE WORD IS USED MULTIPLE TIMES, AND I THINK IT CAN BE OPEN TO INTERPRETATION. AND SO I THINK AS A COUNCIL, WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EQUITY OF OPPORTUNITIES OR EQUITY OF OF OUTCOME.

>> YEAH. >> CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT PLEASE. >> YEAH. AND I'LL TRY TO START AT THE BEGINNING OF WHAT YOU SAID. I CAN CERTAINLY BUILD INTO THE PROCESS LIKE A MAYBE I'LL, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK WITH LEGAL LIKE A CALL FOR. DO YOU ALL HAVE IDEAS OR OPTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE ON THE AUDIT PLAN? AS WE'RE BUILDING THE THE KIND OF PROPOSALS SO WE CAN DO THAT. CERTAINLY THAT NEXT YEAR WE GOT WE ONLY HAD 20 RESPONSES TO COMMUNITY SURVEY LAST YEAR.

SO I YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE MORE FEEDBACK AS WELL. >> I WANT TO THINK OF A WAY.

>> RIGHT. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHY ULTIMATELY Y'ALL MAKE THE DECISION. AND THEN AS FAR AS EQUITY. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THE GOVERNMENT AUDITING STANDARDS. THERE'S ESSENTIALLY FIVE E'S RIGHT. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE ECONOMY EFFICIENCY. EFFECTIVENESS THE OTHER ONE'S ETHICAL. AND THEN EQUITY. THOSE ARE ALL IN THE THEY'RE THEY'RE KIND OF THE FIVE CATEGORIES OF OBJECTIVES THAT THE GOVERNMENT AUDITING STANDARDS OUTLINES. SO THAT'S WHY WE USE THOSE WORDS.

BUT IT HAS KIND OF FURTHER DEFINITIONS OF WHAT THOSE MEANS. AND THEN WE USE ASSOCIATION OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AUDITORS. THEY PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON THOSE AS WELL. SO WE USE ALL OF THAT TO.

BUT I CAN PRESENT THAT INFORMATION TO YOU ALL IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

>> I THINK THAT'D BE VERY HELPFUL TO SEE WHAT THAT DEFINITION OF EQUITY IS, BECAUSE AS IT'S APPLIED HERE, I CAN INTERPRET IT DIFFERENT WAYS CONSIDERING THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SUBJECT MATTERS AND THEN WHAT THE ONES THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT WORD INCLUDED. SO I JUST WOULD LOVE MORE CLARITY AS TO WHAT IS BEING LOOKED AT THERE. YOU AS AND YOUR DEPARTMENT AS AN INDEPENDENT SOURCE, THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GETTING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, THAT INDEPENDENT NEUTRAL NUMBERS AND FACTS. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT. SO I CAN PROVIDE.

>> THAT IN A REPORT AFTERWARDS. KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR INTERNAL MANUAL AND HOW WE GET THAT FROM KIND OF THESE OTHER SOURCES OF BEST PRACTICE AND INDUSTRY STANDARDS.

>> SO YEAH, AND I DIDN'T START WITH THIS, AND I SHOULD HAVE THE WORK THAT YOU PRODUCE AND THAT YOUR GROUP PRODUCES IS INCREDIBLY HELPFUL. AND IT'S HAS BEEN VERY IMPORTANT AS FAR AS US BEING ABLE TO TRY TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE WHERE WE CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE TO SEE

WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND SO LET ME TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY THANK YOU. >> AND JUST FOR CLARITY, I BELIEVE YOU GAVE DIRECTION FOR THE FINANCIAL PLANNING AUDIT OR AND THE OPTION TO ON THE FOLLOW

UPS. IS THAT CORRECT? >> I BELIEVE SO, YES. >> YES. WAS THERE ANOTHER ONE

YOU WANTED TO GIVE DIRECTION? >> ANOTHER? JUST ONE I WANTED TO THROW OUT AND SEE IF ANYONE ELSE FELT IT WAS A PRIORITY AS WELL. I JUST HAVE REAL CONCERNS WITH CYBERSECURITY. THE EVEN SMALL BUSINESSES NOW IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE BEING HELD CAPTIVE, BLACKMAILED. YOU'RE NOT SEEING IT. IT'S NOT PUBLISHED. NO ONE TALKS ABOUT IT, BUT I'M HEARING ABOUT IT THROUGH DIFFERENT CHANNELS. AND WE'RE TALKING FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, LAW FIRMS. AND SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT LATELY. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING BECAUSE THEY HAVE ATTACKED HOSPITALS, CITIES, ETC. AND SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT FITS IN IN WHAT WE WANT TO DO THIS YEAR. HOWEVER, I WANT TO START PUTTING THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DOES KEEP ME UP AT NIGHT.

AS FAR AS WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF WE HAD AN INCIDENT HERE. SO THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT I DIDN'T SEE THAT WAS INCLUDED. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW IT OUT.

>> I DO WANT TO JUST WE DID AN AUDIT THAT KIND OF THAT COVERED NETWORK MANAGEMENT, INCLUDING ASSETS AND SECURITY CONTROLS. A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW UP ON IT LAST YEAR. SO GIVEN THE DIRECTION I'VE GOTTEN, WE SHOULD FOLLOW UP ON IT IN 26

AND YOU SHOULD GET INFORMATION ON THAT. >> THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC AND VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION THAT I DIDN'T HAVE AND WASN'T IN THE SEAT AT THE TIME. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I BELIEVE THAT IS ALL OF MY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

>> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. >> I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR COMMENT IN REGARDS TO VOLUNTEERISM, VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT, AND I HAVE LONG HELD THAT ONE OF THE THINGS

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THAT'S HAPPENING TO US IN A CITY LIKE OURS, BECAUSE WE ARE PRETTY MUCH A TRANSIENT TYPE CITY WHERE PEOPLE ARE IN AND OUT, GO TO SCHOOL, COME IN TEMPORARILY, YOU KNOW, AND LEAVE AND MOVE ON. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO A CITY THAT'S ALSO BRINGING IN NEW PEOPLE TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND THEY'RE HAVING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE LIKE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO STAY OR THEY'RE GOING TO OR THEY'RE GOING TO GO. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING OUT THERE. WE HAVE NEW FAMILIES HERE. AND AND YOU KNOW, OUR ALL OF THESE GREAT THINGS ARE HAPPENING TO US. AND, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY FROM MY STORY, I DIDN'T GET THE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T GET THE NEWSPAPER UNTIL AFTER I PURCHASED A HOME. AND SO THAT MADE ME FEEL LIKE I WAS NOW PART OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY. AND BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS UNIQUE TYPE OF COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE ARE JUST KIND OF BREEZING IN AND OUT RESPECTFULLY SAYING THAT IT'S IT'S A THAT'S A DIFFICULT TASK FOR US TO TO HAVE THEM TO UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE AND HOW IMPORTANT THEIR WORD IS. THAT GOES BEYOND JUST HANGING OUT ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA AND JUST, YOU KNOW, DOING THEIR LITTLE THING OUT THERE, GET IN, GET HELPFUL. WE MENTIONED MANY TIMES WE HAVE COMMITTEES THAT CAN GET ON, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THEY CAN SHARE THEIR EXPERTISE WITH. IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT FOR US FINDING PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER FOR SOME OF THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK WE CAN GIVE OURSELVES A LITTLE GRACE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, DATA. BUT IT JUST TAKES TIME AND IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK FOR US THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE, THAT WANT TO PUSH THAT MESSAGE OUT AND GET ON THE CITY COUNCIL AND HAVE THE BIGGEST, LOUDEST VOICE FOR THEM TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE WELCOME HERE AND THEY SHOULD BEGIN TO START PUTTING THEIR VOICES, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT REALLY COUNTS. SO JUST PICKING UP ON ON THAT, I CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY THAT HAS DONE THEIR THING. AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT JUST KIND OF GO, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S STILL MATTERS HOW, YOU KNOW, WE WE LOOK AT OUR

VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE. WHERE WHERE I'M STRUGGLING IS. COUNCILMEMBER JESTER TOUCHED ON IT. I GET THE PRIORITY OF OF

THE 175. IS THAT RIGHT? >> THAT WAS HOW MANY PEOPLE RESPONDED, CORRECT?

>> YEAH, I GET THAT. BUT LOOKING AT ALL THESE. AM I CORRECT IN MY ASSUMPTION THAT ALL BUT THE CLIMATE RESILIENCY RESILIENCY WE HAVE KIND OF. CARE AND CONTROL OVER HOTEL HOTEL TAX, THEY HAVE TO PAY THAT INTO US. SO THERE'S AN ACCOUNTING THERE. THE AIRPORT IS OURS, LIBRARY IS OURS. VOLUNTEER. WE APPLICANTS APPLICATIONS COME THROUGH US.

WE CONTROL THAT PROCESS. JAIL OBVIOUSLY AND FINANCIAL PLANNING. WE'RE. CAN YOU STEP ME THROUGH? I'VE READ IT. BUT IN A WORLD WHERE WE CAN HAVE DUST BLOWING IN FROM LUBBOCK AND THAT AFFECTS OUR CLIMATE, WE'RE GEOGRAPHICALLY LOCATED IN DALLAS. AND ALL THOSE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT. SO. IN PREVIOUS AUDITS, PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE, WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN AROUND THAT SPACE THAT'S THAT'S NOT COVERED IN ALL OUR OTHER INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALREADY DOING TO TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH THE FOOTPRINT WE HAVE AND THE GEOGRAPHIC RESTRICTIONS WE HAVE. WHAT DO YOU COME BACK WITH AS FAR AS OR WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN OTHER PEOPLE COME BACK WITH WITH RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THAT

REALLY ARE IMPACTFUL? >> YEAH. SO A LOT OF IT IS IS PLANNING BASED. SO LIKE HAVING LIKE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. RIGHT. WHAT DO WE DO IF A DUST STORM ROLLS IN FROM LUBBOCK.

LIKE ARE WE PREPARED AS A CITY TO HANDLE WHATEVER CONSEQUENCES COME OUT WITH COME FROM THAT.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES. IT'S IT'S FOCUSED ON THE THINGS THAT OUR CITY DOES CONTROL AND RESPONSE, BUT THAT ARE CREATED FROM THE CLIMATE. RIGHT. AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT THE CONSERVATION, CONSERVATION INCENTIVE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE. SO LIKE THE GREEN SPACE PROGRAM, WE DO KIND OF A MORE TRADITIONAL ACCOUNTING AUDIT OF THAT, RIGHT? AS PART OF THAT PIECE OF IT. AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT LONG RANGE PLANNING OF INFRASTRUCTURE. SO IF WE LIKE, WE SORT OF LOOKED AT SOME OF THIS AS PART OF THE DRAINAGE AUDIT WE JUST DID. RIGHT. IF WE HAVE HUGE THUNDERSTORMS OR WINDS THAT COME IN OR SOMETHING, DO WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TO HANDLE KIND OF THOSE CHANGES AS SOME OF THE WEATHER BECOMES A LITTLE MORE

EXTREME, IF THAT HELPS AT ALL? >> IT DOES. >> YEAH, IT'S A LOT. IT'S

REALLY PLANNING FOCUSED ON A LOT OF IT. >> YEAH I JUST AND THAT'S GOOD.

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BUT HAVING LIVED THROUGH AND YOU DID AS WELL WINTER STORM URI RIGHT. IT WAS REALLY ABOUT MESSAGING COMMUNICATION. BUT THERE WAS NOTHING WE WERE GOING TO DO TO THAW OUT ICE FROM GALVESTON TO LUBBOCK. RIGHT. LIKE WE'RE NOT GOING TO THAW IT OUT. WE'RE JUST IT WAS REALLY ABOUT MESSAGING AND THAT SORT OF THING AND COMMUNICATION. SO MY DIRECTION WOULD BE, GIVEN THAT ALL GOOD AND WORTHY GOALS. BUT HERE'S AND I WANT TO HAVE SOME, SOME CONTEXT BEHIND IT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE THERE'S THREE I'M FINE WITH OPTION TWO. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S THAT'S FINE.

BUT SO THE TWO NEW AUDITS BUT BUT I'LL SAY THIS OF THE TWO THAT ARE PRIOR TO ME ARE WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS OBVIOUSLY FINANCIAL PLANNING. CERTAINLY. THE OTHER IS I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT WE THAT MAJORITY WOULD NOT GO, FOR EXAMPLE, VEHICLE MANAGEMENT BECAUSE WE'RE IN A BUDGET ISSUE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CASH FUNDING VEHICLES GOING INTO NEXT YEAR AND MAKING THAT PIVOT FROM DEBT PAYMENTS TO UPFRONT CASH PAYMENTS. THAT IS IMMEDIATE, GUARANTEED TO HIT US NEXT YEAR. WHY WOULD WE NOT FOCUS ON THAT AND MAKE THAT A PRIORITY? BECAUSE IT'S CONSISTENT AND IT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH RIGHT NOW. SO WHAT BETTER TIME TO HAVE A GOOD CAPTURE OF WHAT OUR VEHICLE MANAGEMENT PROCESS IS, WHERE THEY ARE GOING INTO THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO START PIVOTING TO TO CASH FUNDING WHERE WE CAN. SO I THINK THAT'S A MISSED OPPORTUNITY IF WE DON'T GET THERE. I DIDN'T HEAR ANYONE ELSE MENTION IT. SO I DON'T THINK WE'LL GET THERE. BUT I JUST WANT TO HAVE A CLEAR RECORD THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS NEXT YEAR. AND SO IT'S A IT'S A MISS IN MY ESTIMATION THERE. THEN THE, THE AIRPORT SIMILAR THING. SO THE KEY COMPONENT THAT I'LL HAVE THAT I JUST WANT TO HAVE ON THE RECORD THERE IS WE OWN EVERYTHING OUT THERE. EVEN THE WE LEASE THE LAND TO THOSE TENANTS. AND SO ONE YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNTING FOR THAT. BUT THEN ALSO WHY IT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE THE STATE JUST CHANGED THEIR TAX CODE WHERE YOU CAN HAVE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX. YOU GET AN EXEMPTION UP TO THE THE WITH THAT THAT EXEMPTION RATE GOES UP TO 200,000 IN SOME INSTANCES.

AND IF YOU HAVE A BUSINESS THAT'S UNDER WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS 175,000, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO REPORT. SO IT WOULD BE REALLY PRUDENT TO MAKE SURE AIRPLANES, ETC. ARE CAPTURED AND UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON OUT THERE, NOT TO MENTION IN THAT GENERAL AREA YOU HAVE CORE. WE'VE THAT'S INVESTING A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY INFRASTRUCTURE. ET CETERA.

ET CETERA. T.W.U AIRPORT AIR PILOT PROGRAM IS TAKING OFF. AND SO WHAT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO LEVERAGE A KEY FOCAL AREA RIGHT NOW IN OUR CITY THAT WE AGAIN, WE HAVE CONTROL OVER. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I WOULD RATHER SEE US LOOK AT. I UNDERSTAND THE PREPAREDNESS COMPONENT. AND SO I DON'T DIMINISH THAT. BUT THESE THE OTHER THINGS I THINK IT'S ABOUT MAKING HARD DECISIONS AND ABOUT PRIORITIZING THOSE THINGS AND THOSE THINGS ARE IMMINENT VERSUS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT WEATHER IS GOING TO COME OUR WAY OR WHAT CHALLENGES COME OUR WAY. SO I'D RATHER DEAL WITH THE IMMINENT, ESPECIALLY FROM A FUNDING. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A GAP NEXT YEAR POTENTIALLY. WHAT BETTER TIME TO LOOK AT VEHICLE MANAGEMENT AND OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT DEBT. SO TO THAT END, JUST SO I CAN HAVE IT WHEN I'M TALKING TO FOLKS, IF STAFF COULD FOLLOW UP WITH ME HOW MUCH WE HAVE IN VEHICLE DEBT CURRENTLY, JUST EMAIL THAT OUT TO ME BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE WE I THINK LIKE THE FIRE TRUCKS, ETCETERA, ETCETERA. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY, REALLY BIG NUMBER AND IT'S A REALLY BIG MISS. SO OKAY.

THANK YOU. YOU HAVE DIRECTION. >> I BELIEVE I GOT DIRECTION TO DO A COMPLETE CATCH UP FOR THE FOLLOW UPS AND THEN DIRECTION TO DO THE FINANCIAL PLANNING AUDIT. AND THEN THE NEXT HIGHEST THAT I GOT DIRECTION FOR WAS CLIMATE, BUT IT WASN'T NECESSARILY CONSENSUS.

>> YEAH. THEN LET'S GO BACK THERE SO WE CAN BE SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION. SO THE SECOND AUDIT IF YOU COULD AGAIN JUST LAY OUT YOUR ONE TWO AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET CONSENSUS REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. SO THIS IS ONE WE HAVE DIRECTION FOR ONE. SO THIS

IS A FILL IN THE SPACE FOR SECOND. SO JUST YOUR. >> SECOND SLIDE YOU'RE.

>> ASKING I'M ASKING FOR TWO OPTIONS TO FILL THE SECOND SLOT. >> OH OKAY OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR REQUEST OKAY. TWO OPTIONS ON THE SECOND SLOT. WELL I'M GOING TO STICK WITH THE CLIMATE THAT THE THREE OF US PUT ON FOR THE FIRST SLOT. AND AND THEN. OF AND TO BE MINDFUL, I MEAN, OF THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED. I THINK ODDLY ENOUGH,

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IF YOU FORCE ME TO GO TO A DIFFERENT ONE THAN THAT, I THINK WE WHEN WE'RE IN A TIME WHERE WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT CONTRACTION OF OUR, OUR SERVICE STAFF, VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT BECOMES REALLY CRITICAL. SO IF, IF I'M, I'M STICKING WITH FINANCIAL PLANNING AND CLIMATE RESILIENCE, BUT IF YOU WANT THE NEXT ONE DOWN THE LIST FOR ME WOULD BE VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT.

>> YEAH. NO 100%. AND THEN YEAH. SO REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR YOUR TOP PRIORITY IS THE

NUMBER TWO. AND THEN YOUR BACKUP AS THE NUMBER TWO. >> I THINK YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT ON VEHICLE MANAGEMENT. I'M I THINK TOURISM IS A IS VITAL. AND I THINK THOSE TWO

OKAY. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX.

>> I WOULD SAY IN A PERFECT WORLD I WOULD AGREE WITH ONE. THE FINANCIAL PLANNING. IN A PERFECT WORLD, I WOULD CUT THE NUMBER OF HOURS. RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT THE MOST NUMBER OF HOURS 700 TOWARDS CLIMATE RESILIENCY. I WOULD PERSONALLY PRIORITIZE THE WEATHER RELATED PREPAREDNESS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TWO VOLUNTEER BOARDS AND OTHERS LOOKING INTO WHAT IS HAPPENING AS FAR AS OUR CONSERVATION AND INITIATIVES THERE. AND THEN I WOULD GO TO VEHICLE MANAGEMENT LOOKING FOR EFFICIENCIES AND WAYS TO DECREASE WHAT'S COMING, GOING OUT AND INCREASE WHAT'S COMING IN. AND THEN I WOULD PROBABLY BE EQUAL WITH AIRPORT AND VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT.

>> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. >> FINANCIAL PLANNING, TOURISM

AS A QUALITY OF LIFE INITIATIVES. VEHICLE MANAGEMENT. >> OKAY. SO SO JUST TO MAKE SURE SO FINANCIAL PLANNING WE THERE IS CONSENSUS FOR THAT. AND THEN YOUR SECOND WOULD BE

TOURISM FIRST VEHICLE AS A SECOND. >> I DON'T KNOW IF MAYOR PRO

TEM HAS SPOKEN. >> SHE HASN'T. I'M JUST MAKING. >> SURE.

>> I'M MAKING SURE I'M TRACKING. >> SORRY I WAS OVER. >> IS THAT.

>> IS THAT. OH YEAH. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. I'M SORRY I.

>> GOT CONFUSED. NO, NO. >> YOU WERE. YOU WERE TALKING TO ME. I'M SORRY.

>> YEAH. NO, I WAS LOOKING AT MY NOTES AND NOT LOOKING UP. SORRY. SO. BUT BUT IT'S

UNDERSTOOD. >> SO FINANCIAL. >> PLANNING.

>> TOURISM. YEAH. >> VEHICLE IN THAT ORDER. >> YEAH.

>> PERFECT. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM. >> I'LL ECHO WHAT WHAT WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER SAID ABOUT CLIMATE RESILIENCY, ESPECIALLY WHERE THINGS TIE INTO POTENTIAL FINANCIAL LOSSES. FOCUSING ON THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION ESPECIALLY. AND

THEN THIRD WOULD BE VEHICLE MANAGEMENT OKAY. >> SO FINANCIAL CLIMATE VEHICLE.

>> SO I THINK I THINK THERE'S CONSENSUS FOR VEHICLES. AND THERE WERE TWO WHO EXPRESSED INTEREST IN TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO ADD LIKE A REDUCED CLIMATE RESILIENCY,

JUST FOCUSED ON WEATHER RELATED PREPAREDNESS. I CAN I'M SORRY. >> GO AHEAD. NO. DOES THAT WORK

FOR YOU? >> WELL, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IF THERE'S I CAN I CAN LOOK AT THE THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE HAVE AND AND BRING BACK KIND OF A PLAN THAT HAS THOSE THREE PROJECTS WHETHER WE SPLIT THE HOURS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, IF THAT IS WHAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE. BUT WE ONLY GOT THAT WAS A SUGGESTION, RIGHT. SO THERE'S ONLY TWO PEOPLE WHO SAID YES TO

THAT. YEAH. >> SO IS THERE ANYONE THAT'S IN DISAGREEMENT WITH WITH WITH WITH SOMETHING COMING BACK TO US THAT WOULD THEN GIVE US ANOTHER LOOK AT IT, WITH THAT RESTRUCTURED LOOK AND HER AND LOOKING AT HOURS AND ALL THOSE THINGS. IS THAT IS THAT ALL

RIGHT? >> YEP. >> OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU.

>> THERE'S MORE. >> KEEP IT COMING. >> IT SHOULD BE EASIER.

>> I'M EXCITED. >> ABOUT IT. >> THIS IS JUST WE BUDGETED ABOUT 200 HOURS A YEAR FOR CONSULTATION AND INVESTIGATIVE PROJECTS. THOSE ARE KIND OF TYPICALLY BASED ON RESPONSES TO THE ANONYMOUS HOTLINE AS WELL AS REQUESTS FROM CITY MANAGEMENT. CITY COUNCIL CAN ALSO MAKE REQUESTS FOR THESE AS WELL. AND SO WE DID. LAST YEAR, THERE WAS A TWO MINUTE PITCH REQUEST FOR US TO DO A COUNCIL TRAVEL AND EXPENSES COMPLIANCE REVIEW. WE ISSUED THAT IN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR. THAT TWO MINUTE PITCH APPEARED TO WANT US TO DO THAT IN PERPETUITY, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS CLEAR THAT THAT WAS HAPPENING. AND IF OR IF NOT, GET DIRECTION ON IF YOU WOULD LIKE IT TO CONTINUE,

ESSENTIALLY. >> SO THE QUESTION IS, CARRY THIS FORWARD OR NOT? AM I TRACKING WITH YOU? YES. OKAY. SO DIRECTION FROM STAFF ON THAT REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT SIX.

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT IT'S A PROBLEM. SO I WOULD SAY LET'S PUT THOSE HOURS TOWARDS THE OTHER PRIORITIES MENTIONED AND THAT IF WE'RE HEARING AT SOME KIND OF ISSUE OR THERE'S ANY KIND OF WANT OF THAT, THAT WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT, BUT THAT THAT'S

MY $0.02. >> ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM. >> I'M ALSO OKAY WITH DOING IT

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JUST AS NEEDED. OR IF THERE'S A CONCERN THAT GROWS UP OR JUST AT LEAST MORE INFREQUENTLY.

>> OKAY. AND I DO BELIEVE JUST SO THAT THERE'S CONTEXT, I THINK THAT FINANCE IS POSTING.

THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL REPORTING THAT'S HAPPENING NOW THAT SO THAT'S MORE INFORMATION

IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ON THIS TOPIC. >> GOT IT. OKAY.

>> ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU. YEAH. IF YOU COULD GET A LITTLE CLARITY ON ON THE REPORTING THAT'S GOING ON IN CONTINUITY OR IN, IN THE

FUTURE. >> WE CAN PROVIDE THAT. >> AND SINCE YOU'RE, YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING BRINGING BACK A MODIFIED REVISED PLAN THAN THEN MAYBE I'LL HOLD MY, MY JUDGMENT

ON THESE 25 HOURS UNTIL THAT TIME. >> OKAY.

>> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? I I'M, I'M FINE WITH THE THE NOT CARRYING FORWARD. I MEAN THAT'S I MEAN BECAUSE I THINK REALLY THE KEY IS ANYONE CAN FILE AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST AND PULL THAT AND AND THAT. SO I'M ASSUMING IT'S ORGANIZED SUCH THAT IT CAN MEET THAT NEED. AND SO IT SHOULD BE EASY TO PULL OR ANY COUNCIL MEMBER AT ANY POINT IN TIME COULD ON BEHALF OF SOMEONE PULL THAT. SO I'M, I THINK MORE INFREQUENT. I CERTAINLY THINK IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, BUT NOT KIND OF LIKE A EVERY YEAR THING, BUT LIKE YOU DO YOUR OTHER AUDITS IS MY READ ON IT, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S ACCOUNTED FOR AND DOCUMENTED PROPERLY. ANYONE

ELSE? ANY OTHER DIRECTION? >> OKAY. >> WELL YOU DON'T.

>> I DON'T REALLY HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION. ON THIS. >> WELL, I'M SORRY.

>> SORRY. I'M SO SORRY. SORRY, SORRY, SORRY. >> I AM I AM FOR DIRECTION.

>> CORRECT. >> I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH EVERYONE ELSE'S. HAS NOTED.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> GOT IT. OKAY. >> LAST THING.

>> YES. >> SO FINALLY, EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS, WE REVIEW AND SELECT PEER CITY GROUPS USING QUANTITATIVE METHODS FOR, FOR USE IN OUR AUDIT PROJECTS TO KIND OF TRY TO PROVIDE CONSISTENCY ACROSS OUR PROJECTS. SO THE LAST GROUP WAS SELECTED IN 2022 AND WAS REVIEWED BY THE INTERNAL AUDIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH HAS BEEN SINCE BEEN DISBANDED. SO I'M PRESENTING IT TO YOU ALL IN CASE YOU HAVE DISCUSSION, WANT TO DISCUSS OR REVIEW? BASICALLY THIS IS FOR INFORMATION. AS FAR AS HERE ARE THE GROUPS THAT WE PLAN TO USE GOING FORWARD. OBVIOUSLY I DO WANT TO TALK. THERE'S THE KIND OF POPULATION PEER GROUP WHICH WE SELECTED FROM ALL CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES WITHIN 20% OF DENTON'S POPULATION BASED ON MUNICIPALITY CHARACTERISTICS. SIMILARITIES. SO POPULATION, POPULATION GROWTH, INCOME, PERCENT OF PEOPLE IN POVERTY, RACIAL COMPOSITION, MUNICIPALITY SIZE AND KIND OF BUSINESS ACTIVITY OR UTILITY COMPLEXITY. SO YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THOSE ARE SPREAD OUT ACROSS THE SLIDE. AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE PRIMARILY USE. I DO WANT TO CALL KIND OF ATTENTION THAT MOST OF THESE CITIES ARE NOW OUTSIDE OF TEXAS FOR THE FIRST TIME. THAT'S BECAUSE BASED ON THE EVALUATION WE DID, DENTON IS JUST BECOMING INCREASINGLY UNIQUE, ESPECIALLY WITHIN TEXAS, DUE TO ITS HIGH GROWTH RATE. SO IN PARTICULAR, DENTON HAS THE HIGHEST GROWTH RATE OF CITIES BETWEEN 100 AND 200,000 PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES, WHICH PRESENTS UNIQUE CHALLENGES, AS I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE KIND OF COMPLEX NATURE OF OUR BUSINESS ACTIVITIES. AND THEN WE ALSO SELECTED A UTILITY PEER GROUP BASED ON ALL THE CITIES IN TEXAS THAT GENERATE ELECTRICITY, AND THAT WHERE THAT UTILITY IS DIRECTLY OWNED BY THE MUNICIPALITY, BECAUSE THAT TIES THE FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE DIRECTLY TO THE CITY. AND THEN I DO JUST WANT TO CALL OUT THAT GARLAND IS INCLUDED IN BOTH THE UTILITY AND THE GEOGRAPHIC PEER GROUP. AND THEN FINALLY, THE GEOGRAPHIC PEERS WERE SELECTED USING POPULATION CHARACTERISTICS, BUT LIMITING THE SELECTION GROUP TO ONLY MUNICIPALITIES IN DENTON COUNTY, COLLIN COUNTY, DALLAS COUNTY, AND ROCKWALL COUNTY. AND THOSE WERE SELECTED KIND OF BASED ON THEIR PROXIMITY TO INTERSTATE 35 AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S PLACEMENT OF THEM IN THE DALLAS, IRVING, PLANO METROPOLITAN DIVISION OF THE DFW METROPLEX AREA. AND SO THIS KIND OF GEOGRAPHIC PEER GROUP IS NEW AS FAR AS KIND OF ONE OF OUR TOOLS IN OUR TOOL BENCHMARKING TOOLBOX. AND SO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE OR HOW WE SELECTED THEM OR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE THEM FOR. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT BENCHMARKING AND STUFF, SO I WANTED TO BRING THIS TO Y'ALL'S ATTENTION, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAD JUST REDONE THE ANALYSIS.

>> YEAH, NO, IT'S REALLY GREAT WORK. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO.

>> THANK YOU. YEAH. NO I APPRECIATE YOU EXPANDING THE OUR OUR ABILITY TO PUT THINGS IN A CONTEXT AND REVIEW. AND I THINK IT'S THE CATEGORIES ARE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA I GUESS MY

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QUESTION IS IN THE SELECTION PROCESS, CERTAINLY YOU RAN SOME PRELIMINARY ANALYZES TO SEE HOW THESE THINGS FELL OUT AT JUST A CURSORY LEVEL. OR MAYBE YOU DIDN'T. SO THAT'S MY QUESTION.

>> I MEAN, I LOOKED AT THESE CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE ON THE SLIDE. I DID NOT GO AND LOOK AT LIKE TAX REVENUE OR ANYTHING TO COMPARE THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

>> OKAY. WELL, I, I'M NOT INTERESTED. I MEAN I'M INTERESTED IN THE EXPANSION. SO I, I WISH WE HAD A BETTER FIELD GOING INTO IT FOR, FOR HOW WE STACK UP OUTSIDE OF THESE CHARACTERISTICS. BUT BUT I'M NOT I'M NOT INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, MONKEYING WITH YOUR

DEFINITIONS AT THIS TIME. >> ANYONE ELSE? WHERE DOES. I WAS JUST TRYING TO PUNCH IT UP REAL QUICK. SO LEWISVILLE DOESN'T FALL INTO ANY OF THOSE CATEGORIES.

>> LEWISVILLE HAS A SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT POVERTY AND INCOME LEVEL AND LIMITED BUSINESS ACTIVITIES. SO IT IT SHOWED UP CERTAINLY, BUT IT IT DIDN'T QUITE MEET ESSENTIALLY THERE WAS LIKE THIS WAS THE TIER ONE SIMILARITY IN GEOGRAPHIC PEERS AND IT WAS IN

THE TIER TWO IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> YES.

>> YEAH. I MEAN I COULD INCLUDE THOSE, BUT IT JUST EXPANDS THAT CATEGORY BY LIKE 4 OR 5 MORE

AND IT DIDN'T NECESSARILY SEEM WORTH IT. >> NO, NO. THAT'S GOOD. I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHERE IT WAS, WHERE IT WAS OR IS IT OFF? TRUST IN THE DATA. NO, REALLY, REALLY GOOD INSIGHT. VERY INTERESTING. I'LL HAVE TO KEEP LOOKING AT IT. I CAN'T BELIEVE 300 AND 20MI■!S FOR AUSTIN IS AN ABSOLUTE MONSTER. YES. GOOD NIGHT MAN. THAT'S THAT'S BIG.

YEAH. SO FIGURING DISD IS 200MIS AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF CITIES. SO THAT'S THAT'S VERY INTERESTING. OKAY. YEAH. NO. ANYONE ELSE ANY FEEDBACK FOR OKAY.

>> VERY GOOD. >> THANK YOU. YES. NO I APPRECIATE IT. WELL DONE.

[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on an update to the City’s Inclement Weather Policy. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 1 hour]]

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM B WHICH IS ID 251366.

RECEIVE REPORT DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON AN UPDATE TO THE CITY'S INCLEMENT WEATHER

POLICY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL JESSE KENT, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES, HERE TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT REVISIONS TO THE CITY'S INCLEMENT WEATHER POLICY. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THE CITY'S USE OF CITY FACILITIES FOR INCLEMENT WEATHER POLICY WAS CREATED IN 2019. THAT POLICY DID A NUMBER OF THINGS. IT ESTABLISHED WHAT THE DEFINITION OF AN INCLEMENT WEATHER DAY IS FOR THE CITY. IT'S AT THE LOW TEMPERATURE. IF THE IF THE TEMPERATURE, THE ACTUAL TEMPERATURE WAS EXPECTED TO FALL BELOW 32 DEGREES, THE ACTUAL TEMPERATURE WAS EXPECTED TO EXCEED 100 DEGREES. OR IF THE CITY MANAGER HAD DECLARED AN EMERGENCY FOR WEATHER CONDITIONS. IT ALSO IDENTIFIED CITY FACILITIES THAT HAD ACCESS TO PUBLIC FACILITIES TO RESTROOMS, WATER FOUNTAINS, A SITTING AREA, AND DESIGNATED THEM AS WARMING AND COOLING STATIONS. AND AT THE TIME, THOSE OPENING CONDITIONS WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE THEN MONSIGNOR KING OUTREACH CENTER AND SALVATION ARMY SHELTERS. AS A REMINDER, THE DENTON COMMUNITY SHELTER OPENED IN 2022 AFTER THIS POLICY WAS CREATED. SINCE OPENING, THE DENTON COMMUNITY SHELTER, RUN BY OUR DAILY BREAD, HAS BEEN THE CITY'S DESIGNATED OVERNIGHT INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTER IN PRACTICE. BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN SO IN POLICY. IN THE CURRENT CONTRACT WITH OSB, THE MSOA, THERE'S IT'S SILENT ON IF THE SHELTER WOULD OPEN OR NOT, BUT OUR DAILY BREAD HAS ELECTED TO EXPAND OVERNIGHT CAPACITY TO ALLOW ALL WHO ARE SEEKING SHELTER WHEN EITHER THE HEAT INDEX IS FORECASTED TO BE AT A HIGH OF 100 DEGREES OR HIGHER AFTER DAY SHELTER CLOSES AT 7 P.M. OR IF THE WIND CHILL IS FORECASTED TO BE AT OR BELOW 32 DEGREES OUTSIDE OF THE DAY SHELTER HOURS, SO THERE'S CURRENTLY NO CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION FOR THEM TO DO SO. BUT THEY'VE BEEN GREAT PARTNERS AND WE APPRECIATE THEM HELPING TO TAKE CARE OF OUR COMMUNITY. SO TODAY, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT CHANGES SHOULD THE CITY MAKE TO THE INCLEMENT WEATHER DESIGNATION.

SO UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS DO WE CLEAR INCLEMENT WEATHER DAY. AND THEN I'D LIKE FOR YOUR APPROVAL TO MAKE SOME PROPOSED ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES TO THE POLICY TO ALIGN WITH THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED. THE FIRST ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGE THAT WE WANT TO DO IS TO DESIGNATE THE DENTON COMMUNITY SHELTER AS THE OVERNIGHT INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTER, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE UPDATE THE CONTRACT WITH OUR DAILY BREAD TO TO REQUIRE THEM TO OPEN UNDER THE CITY'S DEFINED INCLEMENT WEATHER DAYS. AND WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL THE STUFF AT THE END AS WELL TO CONFIRM WHEN WE THINK ABOUT HOW WE DEFINE AN INCLEMENT WEATHER DAY, THERE'S ALWAYS A NUMBER OF

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MODELS OR CRITERIA THAT CAN BE USED. ONE THAT'S OFTEN SPOKEN ABOUT IS HEAT INDEX. THE HEAT INDEX IS A MEASURE OF HOW HOT IT FEELS WHEN THERE'S RELATIVE HUMIDITY FACTORED INTO THE ACTUAL AIR TEMPERATURE, AND THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ISSUES A HEAT ADVISORY. WHEN THE HEAT INDEX IS EXPECTED TO REACH 105 OR HIGHER, OR THE AIR TEMPERATURE IS FORECASTED TO EXCEED 103 DEGREES FOR AT LEAST TWO CONSECUTIVE DAYS. ANOTHER POTENTIAL OPTION IS THE HEAT RISK. HEAT RISK IS ALSO PROVIDED BY THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE. IT'S DONE IN COMBINATION WITH CDC DATA, SO THEY USE HEALTH BASED DATA AND TEMPERATURE THRESHOLDS TO HELP DETERMINE WHEN PEOPLE ARE AT A HIGHER RISK OF HEAT RELATED ILLNESS, OR RE CONSIDERS HOW UNUSUAL THE TEMPERATURE IS FOR THAT TIME OF YEAR. FOR EXAMPLE, THE HEAT INDEX MIGHT BE LOW IN MARCH, BUT IF IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY HIGH FOR MARCH, THAT MIGHT BE A RISK OF A GREATER RISK TO HEAT RELATED ILLNESS. EVEN IF THE WEATHER DOESN'T REACH THAT 100 DEGREE THRESHOLD. IT LOOKS AT FORECASTED HUMIDITY. IT LOOKS AT THE TIME OF YEAR, THE DURATION OF UNUSUAL HEAT. SO IF IT'S HOT FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, AND IT ALSO LOOKS AT IF THOSE TEMPERATURES ARE AT A LEVELS THAT POSE AN ELEVATED RISK FOR HEAT COMPLICATIONS.

THIS IS ONE THAT WE ACTUALLY SHARED WITH DENTON COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH COUNCILMEMBER JESSE, YOU'D ASK THE QUESTION, HOW ARE WE? HOW ARE WE COORDINATING WITH THE COUNTY ON THIS? WE'RE NOT A PUBLIC HEALTH AGENCY, SO WE RELY ON OUR COUNTY PARTNERS TO HELP PROVIDE SOME OF THAT HEALTH RELATED INFORMATION. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY VERY EXCITED ABOUT TO TO KIND OF LOOK AT MORE AS WE GO TO LOOK AT THE HOW THE COUNTY IS RESPONDING TO INCLEMENT WEATHER AND HEAT. SO WE'RE EXCITED TO IF COUNCIL WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS DIRECTION, TO COORDINATE WITH THE COUNTY AND HELP HELP LEAD WITH THAT. ALL THESE DIFFERENT METHODS, WHETHER WE'RE USING THE AMBIENT TEMPERATURE, THE CURRENT PRACTICE, A STRAIGHT HEAT INDEX OR A HEAT RISK VALUE OF THREE OR HIGHER, WE'LL HAVE DIFFERENT IMPACTS ON THE NUMBER OF DAYS THAT THE SHELTER IS OPEN OVERNIGHT. THE THE CURRENT PRACTICE IS AGAIN THAT 100 DEGREE HEAT INDEX AFTER 7 P.M. I'VE PUT THE NUMBERS FOR 2024 HERE JUST TO HELP BE ILLUSTRATIVE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IN 2024, THERE WERE 38 DAYS THAT MET THAT THAT THRESHOLD. IF WE WERE TO DO A HEAT INDEX OF JUST 100 DEGREES AT ANY POINT IN THE DAY, NOT NECESSARILY AFTER IN THE EVENING, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN 57. AND IF WE WERE TO DO A HEAT RISK VALUE OF THREE OR HIGHER, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN 62 DAYS.

SO THEY WOULD IT WOULD CREATE A DIFFERENCE IN THE NUMBER OF DAYS OR NIGHTS THAT THE SHELTER IS OPEN FOR INCLEMENT WEATHER. AND WE WOULD HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR CONTRACTOR ABOUT WHAT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THEM WOULD BE, HOW WE WOULD DESIGNATE PAYING FOR THOSE THINGS THROUGH THE THE EXISTING ALLOCATION, AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT ALL DRIVES. WHEN WE LOOK AT COLD WEATHER ON THE OTHER SIDE, WIND CHILL IS WHAT'S MOST FREQUENTLY USED AS A AS A BASIS FOR DETERMINING THE RISK OF COLD, COLD RELATED ILLNESS. THE WIND CHILL IS BASED ON THE RATE OF HEAT LOSS FROM EXPOSED SIN CAUSED BY WIND AND COLD. THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BEGINS ISSUING COLD WEATHER ADVISORIES, SAYING PEOPLE THAT'S DANGEROUS.

ONCE THE WIND CHILL REACHES TEN DEGREES AND BELOW THE WIND CHILL FOR THAT. AGAIN, THE CURRENT PRACTICE FOR WIND CHILL IS 32 DEGREES OR BELOW AT THE DENTON COMMUNITY SHELTER. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF WANTED TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL AS AN OPTION IS THE INCLUSION OF PRECIPITATION IN THAT WATER CONDUCTS HEAT AT 25 TIMES THE RATE THAT AIR DOES, MAKES IT SOMEWHAT MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO COLD WEATHER INJURIES AND HYPOTHERMIA. SO WE LOOKED AT WHAT IF WE ALSO SAID WHAT IF THE TEMPERATURE WAS 40 DEGREES AND BELOW? WHEN YOU COMBINE THAT WITH TWO INCHES OF PRECIPITATION OVER A 24 HOUR PERIOD, IT'S ACTUALLY THE SAME NUMBER OF DAYS IN 2024. SO BASED ON JUST THAT, THAT PARTICULAR YEAR, THERE WOULDN'T BE MUCH OF AN IMPACT. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THAT OPTION AVAILABLE TO COUNCIL AS WELL. FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES. ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO IS ONE, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UPDATING THE LANGUAGE TO MATCH OUR OUR COMMUNICATIONS TO THE PUBLIC.

THE POLICY HAS SOME OTHER LANGUAGE LIKE INCLEMENT WEATHER STATIONS. WE TALK ABOUT WARMING AND COOLING STATIONS. THAT'S MORE ACCESSIBLE LANGUAGE. SO MATCHING OUR POLICY TO THAT AND THEN ALSO UPDATING TO INCLUDE NEWLY CONSTRUCTED OR MAYBE PREVIOUSLY OMITTED BUILDINGS THAT MEET THE CRITERIA OF HAVING ACCESS TO RESTROOMS, WATER FOUNTAINS AND A SITTING AREA, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT THERE DESIGNATED AS WARMING AND COOLING STATIONS AS FIRE STATIONS. THREE EIGHT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CENTER AND CITY HALL. SO IN SUMMARY, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND MAKING ALL OF THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES. AND WE ARE SEEKING COUNCILS DIRECTION TO EITHER MAINTAIN OR CHANGE THE

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INCLEMENT WEATHER DESIGNATIONS FROM IN THE HEAT, THAT AMBIENT HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 100 DEGREES, AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND USING THE HEAT RISK SYSTEM AS OUR TEMPERATURE HIGH THRESHOLD, AND THEN AGAIN FROM AN AMBIENT LOW TEMPERATURE TO OVERNIGHT WIND CHILL OR OVERNIGHT WIND CHILL,

INCLUDING PRECIPITATION. AND I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. MAYOR PRO TEM. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION, JESSIE. AND I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE US LOOKING AT ACTUALLY MAKING POLICY OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ALREADY IN TERMS OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR MAKING ALL ADMINISTRATION CHANGES, SUPPORT THAT. THE FIRST BULLET IN TERMS OF THE TEMPERATURE, I I'M GOING TO START WITH THE COLD FIRST. I DO SUPPORT CHANGING IT TO OVERNIGHT WIND CHILL, INCLUDING PRECIPITATION ON THE HEAT RISK OR JUST HOT TEMPERATURE. YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING IMMEDIATELY, I WOULD SAY GO AHEAD AND MAKE POLICY WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. I'M INTERESTED IN EXPLORING THE HEAT RISK MORE. MY CONCERN IS I SEE US JUMP FROM 38 DAYS TO 62, AND I KNOW THAT DOES COST MONEY. SO I WOULD WANT TO KNOW BEFORE I COULD REALLY MAKE A DECISION ON HEAT RISK. I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET IMPACTS ON ODB AND WHAT THAT DOES TO THE REST OF THEIR SERVICES. JUST I WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT IMPACT BEFORE MAKING THAT DECISION, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HELP OVER HERE AND THEN CREATE SOME OTHER PROBLEM SOMEWHERE ELSE. I JUST I WOULD WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IMPACT A LITTLE BETTER. IS THAT

EVERYTHING? >> THAT'S EVERYTHING. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO, FOUR AND THEN SIX.

>> THANKS. THANKS, JESSIE I APPRECIATE THE I WANT TO START OFF WITH, WITH GUSHING ABOUT SHIFTING TO THINGS RELATED TO HUMIDITY AND THE EFFECTS ON TEMPERATURE AND AND HEALTH. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THE. WIND CHILL PARTICULARLY IS AND I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE 40 DEGREE AND PRECEPT THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THAT. ON ON THE HEAT RISK, I THINK, AND LET ME UNDERSTAND, THIS IS ABOUT EMERGENCY INCLEMENT RESPONSE, NOT NOT NECESSARILY DAY TO DAY RESPONSE. CORRECT.

>> SO IT WOULD IF WE WERE TO DO A HEAT RISK SYSTEM, WE WOULD LOOK TO ESCALATE WITH THE RISK.

SO AT A LOWER LEVEL WHERE THERE'S NOT A BUNCH OF AT RISK POPULATION BUT MAYBE SENSITIVE, WE'RE COMMUNICATING. WE'RE SAYING, HEY, BE AWARE OF THIS AT A LITTLE BIT OF A MORE ELEVATED LEVEL WHERE PEOPLE ARE AT RISK. DURING THE DAY, WE WOULD REMIND EVERYONE THAT, HEY, COME INTO AN INCLEMENT OR COME INTO A COOLING STATION, ANY OF THESE CITY FACILITIES, AND THEN WHEN IT REACHES A THRESHOLD WHERE IT'S A MAJOR RISK, WHERE THEY'RE SAYING IT'S DANGEROUS, YOU'RE OUT OVERNIGHT, THEN WE'RE LOOKING TO OPEN UP THE THE INCLEMENT WEATHER STATION.

>> NOW, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO SIGN ON TO THE, THE, THE CONCEPT OF THE HEAT RISK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK ULTIMATELY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE'S HEALTH. AND THAT HAS TO TAKE A CERTAIN PRIORITY. AND THEN A COUPLE QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF HOW HOW WE WOULD IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE CHANGES. WHAT DO WE ANTICIPATE? HOW DO WE HOW DO WE THINK THIS WILL IMPACT YOU SORT OF, YOU KNOW, DAYTIME OPERATIONS? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THE CHANGES WERE NIGHTTIME SLEEPING OPERATIONAL CHANGES. DO WE ANTICIPATE LIKE IF THERE'S INCLEMENT CONDITIONS THAT ARE ABOVE HEAT RISK OR BELOW WIND CHILL DURING DAY DAILY OPERATIONS? HOW HOW WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE IMPACTS THERE?

>> SO THE CITY ALREADY ALREADY DOES A LOT OF THIS. THE DAILY IMPACTS WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN FOR THE WHEN THE WEATHER IS UNCOMFORTABLE, MOST OF THE FACILITIES ARE OPEN. A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THE LIBRARIES OR SOME PARKS FACILITIES. WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LARGE IMPACT OPERATIONS BASED ON THAT CURRENT USAGE, AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE THAT USAGE FOR CITY COOLING AND WARMING STATIONS. SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE MUCH OF AN IMPACT

CHANGE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> OKAY. UNDER THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE UNDER THE LET ME LET ME SEE IF I CAN REPHRASE THIS A LITTLE BIT. WE DON'T BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT RECOMMENDING A POLICY CHANGE. THEREFORE WE'RE NOT EXPECTING TO SEE AN AN IMPACT ON THE DAY OPERATIONS OF ANY OF THE OTHER FACILITIES. IS THAT A PARAPHRASE OF AN EFFECTIVE PARAPHRASE OF WHAT

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YOU SAID? >> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S FAIR. >> WELL, OKAY, I AM REMAIN CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN THERE IS INCLEMENT WEATHER DURING THE DAY, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT JUST INCLEMENT WEATHER AT NIGHT WHEN PEOPLE ARE SLEEPING. SO I'M, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE, WE COME UP WITH METRICS AND MEASURE THOSE KINDS OF PHENOMENA DURING THE DAY, BECAUSE THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON THERE WAS A PUSH FROM THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE A BROAD NUMBER OF WARMING STATIONS AND DAYTIME ACTIVITIES AND, AND SOME INTEREST IN AND NOT MERELY DOING ODB AS THE ONLY NIGHTTIME SHELTER. SO I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE MEASURE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. I KNOW YOU WILL ANYWAY. AND THEN LET'S SEE, I THINK I GOT, OH, THERE'S ONE, BECAUSE THIS WAS COMING UP IN THE AGENDA. I GOT A NUMBER OF COMMENTS. CAN CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND FOR THE DAYTIME WARMING STATIONS, IS IT THE POLICY OR NOT, THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO FALL ASLEEP WHEN YOU'RE IN ONE OF THESE STATIONS?

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT THE POLICY HAS ANYTHING ABOUT FALLING ASLEEP AT THE STATION.

OBVIOUSLY, IF SOMEONE'S ACTING IN A WAY THAT PREVENTS OTHERS FROM USING THE FACILITY OR FROM ENJOYING THE SAME BENEFITS, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT STAFF WILL ADDRESS. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S NO POLICY WRITTEN ABOUT WHETHER SOMEONE CAN OR CANNOT SLEEP. IF THAT'S DOES SO IN A DISRUPTIVE WAY, THEN THEY'LL CORRECT THAT. YOU CAN'T YOU

CAN'T LAY DOWN ON THE LIBRARY TABLE OR YOU CAN'T. >> SURE, SURE. SO I WOULD LOVE IT IF STAFF COULD GET BACK TO COUNCIL ON ON WHETHER THERE IS A DE FACTO POLICY. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NOT AN OFFICIAL POLICY ON WHETHER YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SLEEP IN WARMING STATIONS DURING DURING. WELL, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE BUSINESS HOURS. COUNCIL MEMBER.

>> THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO. YOU CANNOT SLEEP IN A CITY FACILITY. IT'S LIKE SLEEPING IN A PUBLIC PARK. AND THE BIGGER ISSUE THERE IS IF AN INDIVIDUAL IS LYING DOWN AND SLEEPING, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE DO IS GO OVER AND CHECK ON THEM TO SEE IF THEY'RE HAVING A MEDICAL ISSUE, BECAUSE IN MANY OCCASIONS, AS HAS HAPPENED IN A PARK, THE PERSON'S NOT SLEEPING, THEY'RE HAVING A MEDICAL ISSUE. AND WE'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN ACTUALLY AS WE GO OUT TO SOME OF OUR SITES. AND SO ALLOWING THEM TO SLEEP IN A FACILITY THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED, IT'S IT'S THERE AS A COOLING FACILITY OR WARMING FACILITY. IT'S NOT THERE AS A SET UP, AS A SLEEPING FACILITY. WE CERTAINLY ALLOW PEOPLE AND THEY DO ON MANY OCCASIONS, SIT OVER HERE IN THE CORNER AND WE GIVE THEM BOTTLES OF WATER, EVEN IF WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A WATER FOUNTAIN. SOME OCCASIONS WE'VE GIVEN THEM SOME CRACKERS AND STUFF, BUT WE DON'T ALLOW THEM TO LAY DOWN OR SLEEP. THEY CAN SIT UP AND REST AS LONG AS THEY WANT, AS LONG AS WE'RE HERE AND AS LONG AS WE'RE OPEN. BUT ALLOWING THEM TO ACTUALLY BE LAYING DOWN AND SLEEPING. NO,

WE DON'T ALLOW IT. THAT'S JUST. >> WELL, I WILL TELL YOU THEN IT I'D PROBABLY LIKE TO REVISIT THAT. SO I'LL GO THROUGH THE MECHANISMS OF REVISITING THAT, THAT POLICY IN THE FUTURE. BUT IN TERMS OF THE THE ACTUAL QUESTIONS HERE AT HAND, I SUPPORT THE HEAT RISK AND THE

WIND CHILL REALIGNMENT. >> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR.

>> THANK YOU. OBVIOUSLY, FIRE STATIONS ARE NOT BUILT AS WARMING STATIONS. SO SO TELL ME WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, HOW YOU CONVERT A FIRE STATION TO A WARMING STATION.

>> IT DOESN'T REQUIRE CONVERSION. IT'S THERE'S THERE'S AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE SEATING THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC THAT ARE NOT SENSITIVE, OR THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN KIND OF BE DISRUPTIVE OR INTERFERE WITH THE OPERATION WHERE IT'S OKAY FOR SOMEONE TO TO SIT, COOL OFF, WARM UP WITHOUT IMPACTING THE OPERATIONS.

>> I WONDER IF THE NEW FIRE STATIONS FIVE AND SIX, THE THE, THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THOSE IS

GOING TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. OR DO YOU KNOW? >> I DON'T KNOW, BUT I CAN GET BACK TO YOU WITH I'M SURE THEY'RE MEETING THE SAME STANDARDS AND EXPECTATIONS THAT

THE OTHER FIRE STATIONS FOR THE CITY ARE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. >> REPRESENTATIVE. DISTRICT SIX. >> THANK YOU.

>> AND I BELIEVE YOU'VE SAID THIS. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO US AND ALL OF THE RESEARCH THAT WAS DONE. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT I REQUESTED AND WANTED CLARIFICATION ON. AND WITH THAT, I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT WE ARE ALL CLEAR ON WHAT THE POLICIES ARE AND THAT THEY'RE UP TO DATE. OUR DAILY BREAD. OUR PARTNER HAS AGREED TO BE THE DESIGNATED

OVERNIGHT STATION. IS THAT CORRECT? >> THEY DO. THEY DO DO IT WITH

THEIR MISSION. >> RIGHT. AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER REIMER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO NEED TO KNOW THE ADDITIONAL COST FROM THE MATRIX YOU GAVE US. IT DOES SHOW THAT

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IT WILL ADD DAYS. SO OF COURSE IT WILL ADD SOME EXPENSE. AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS SO WE CAN DETERMINE WHERE THAT COMES FROM. BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER BECKMAN THAT, YOU KNOW, LIVES ARE AT STAKE WHEN YOU'RE AT CERTAIN WEATHER POINTS THAT ARE OUT OF ANYONE'S CONTROL. AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT WE DO WHAT WE DO. I WAS CURIOUS THAT THERE'S NO THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY NATIONAL OR TEXAS STANDARD FOR THESE TYPES OF WARMING OR COOLING STATIONS OR EVEN INFORMATION REGARDING WHAT OTHER CITIES IN OUR COUNTY DO. HAVE YOU COME ACROSS ANY OF THIS INFORMATION WHILE YOU WERE LOOKING INTO THE

TOPIC? >> THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE KIND OF NEIGHBORING CITIES AND JURISDICTIONS HAVE OPENED UP ADDITIONAL CITY FACILITIES TO DO THOSE THINGS. THEY OFTEN DON'T HAVE THE SHELTER LIKE WE HAVE TO TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE THINGS. IF YOU RECALL, BACK IN JANUARY, LEWISVILLE OPENED UP, I THINK, ONE OF THEIR GYMNASIUMS TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO STAY IN OVERNIGHT. I THINK WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE IN HAVING THE DENTON COMMUNITY SHELTER AND HAVING A PLACE WHERE FOLKS CAN GO WHEN IT'S DANGEROUS WEATHER, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE

GREAT THINGS ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY. >> IT'S JUST INTERESTING.

THERE'S NO STANDARD OUT THERE. YOU WOULD THINK WITH ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, THIS MUST BE HAPPENING EVERYWHERE, NOT JUST IN DENTON. IT'S INTERESTING THAT THERE'S NO ONE KIND OF SAYING HERE'S KIND OF THE GENERALLY ACCEPTED. THE TRIGGERS.

>> IN KIND OF THE LARGER CITIES LIKE FORT WORTH AND DALLAS, ALTHOUGH THESE POLICIES AREN'T FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE IN GENERAL, PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, IT THAT IS OFTEN THE CASE OF WHO'S USING THEM. SO IN THOSE TYPES OF PLACES WHERE YOU'VE GOT A A CONTINUUM OF CARE OR A LARGER GROUP THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ORGANIZING THE RESPONSE, THEY DO HAVE KIND OF POLICIES OR PROCEDURES IN WHICH THEY THEY DO OPEN WARMING STATIONS WITH THEIR COMMUNITY

PARTNERS. >> WELL, I AM IN FAVOR OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'VE DONE TO BRING THIS INFORMATION TO US.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MA'AM. >> ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE

FROM DISTRICT ONE. >> STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. THE THE SECOND PART, THE OVERNIGHT WIND CHILL, INCLUDING PRECIPITATION. OF COURSE. WE APPRECIATE APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S INPUT. AND YOU KNOW, JUST THE AMBIENT TEMPERATURE. HI TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDING

THE HEAT RISK EXHALATION SYSTEM. >> STAFF RECOMMENDATION OKAY. >> GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY. YEAH.

MR. CITY MANAGER. >> SO I KNOW THAT. >> BOTH COUNCIL MEMBER BECK AND THE MAYOR PRO TEM MENTIONED ABOUT THE EXTRA COST. I WANT TO I WANT TO SAY, THOUGH, OUR PARTNER OVER THERE AT OTB IS JESSE MENTIONED, HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF EVEN DOING SOME OF THIS WHEN WE WE WEREN'T YOU KNOW, IT WAS A BIG CONFUSION BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WAS ASKING FOR IT. AND SO THEY WENT AHEAD AND DID THIS, WHICH MEANT MORE PEOPLE WERE COMING INTO THE SHELTER. SO WHILE I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE MONEY PART OF IT, THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND TAKING THOSE FOLKS IN WITHOUT ADDITIONAL FUNDING. THEY'VE BEEN GREAT ABOUT DOING THIS AND OPENING THOSE DOORS TO ANYBODY THAT'S IN NEED TO GET OUT OF THE WEATHER, WHETHER IT BE HIGH HEAT OR THE TEMPERATURES ARE REALLY COLD AND THE WIND IS BLOWING AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO KUDOS TO THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT WITHOUT US DOING THIS. AND WE REALLY WANT TO MEMORIALIZE AN AGREEMENT THAT'S MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING, BUT ALSO CURRENT PRACTICE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IN LOCKING DOWN, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT WE ALL AGREED ON. HERE'S WHAT'S GOING ON. AND I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS AND TAKING PEOPLE IN AT THOSE

DIFFERENT TEMPERATURES WITHOUT THE EXTRA MONEY. >> MAYOR PRO TEM.

>> I GUESS JUST A FOLLOW UP ON, ON ON THAT. SO IT LOOKS LIKE I MEAN, I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE WHAT WE'VE, WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING, WHICH WAS I BELIEVE BASED ON HEAT INDEX HEAT RISK LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A JUMP OF 20, 30 DAYS. AND I JUST I WOULD WANT TO HEAR WANT TO KNOW FROM THEM ESPECIALLY WHAT FINANCIAL IMPACT THAT HAS ON THEM. AND WOULD THEY HAVE TO CUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY'RE HELPING AT A TIME, YOU KNOW, DURING ON INCLEMENT DAYS AND

THINGS LIKE THAT? >> WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM. SO THE $400,000 THAT WE PROVIDE TO THEM IS LARGELY UNRESTRICTED. WE WANT TO BECOME MORE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR WITH OUR SERVICES, WITH OUR WITH OUR ALLOCATION. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULD LOOK TO DO IS THE INCLEMENT WEATHER DAYS.

>> OKAY, OKAY. >> ANYONE ELSE? YES. REPRESENTATIVE.

>> DISTRICT FOUR. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY KNOW OF THE PEOPLE, THE STAFF AT ODB, THOSE THAT

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ARE GETTING PAID AND THOSE THAT ARE VOLUNTEERS? >> THE TOTAL NUMBER?

>> WELL, THE TOTAL NUMBER. AND THEN OF THAT NUMBER, THOSE THAT ARE THAT ARE VOLUNTEERING AND

THOSE THAT ARE GETTING PAID. >> ARE NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I CAN GET YOU THAT ANSWER

THOUGH. >> DO YOU DO YOU THINK THE STAFF IS 50 OR 20 OR JUST GUESS.

>> PROBABLY IN THE BALLPARK OF 2020? >> OKAY. 20.

>> I THINK THEY DO A NOBLE WORK AND I'M VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH THEM.

>> OKAY. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> YEAH, I'M FINE WITH SYNCING UP WITH EXISTING PRACTICES ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD. LIKE WHATEVER WE'RE DOING, LET'S LET'S CODIFY THAT. BUT I DO WANT TO AND I WANT TO BE SUPPORTIVE AND MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM THE COUNTY PERSPECTIVE. I HEARD YOU I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY KIND OF THINKING UP AND WORKING WITH THEM ON A COLOR CODING AND, YOU

KNOW, KIND OF SYSTEM. DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT? >> YES, SIR.

>> YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO TAKE THAT A STEP FURTHER AND ASK YOU ALSO IF WE COULD NORMALIZE LOCATIONS. RIGHT. AND SO THAT MEANS AND. LET ME SEE HOW I SAY THIS GENTLY. I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PRACTICE IN THAT. THEY, THEY. OTHER CITIES IN THE COUNTY.

AREN'T AS DILIGENT ABOUT LISTING LOCATIONS. AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE NORMALIZED TO SAY EVERY TIME SOMETHING GOES OUT. HERE'S THE LOCATIONS. BUT I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO BE.

TRANSPARENT IN THAT WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT ON AVERAGE, AFTER I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME THE LIBRARY CLOSES. 8 P.M. 7 P.M. WHAT TIME DOES THE LIBRARY CLOSED? YEAH. I MEAN, SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ALL DAY. YOU CAN GO WHEREVER YOU NEED TO GO IN ANY PUBLIC FACILITY. AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN MISCOMMUNICATED OFTENTIMES WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, OH, THERE'S ONLY THIS THING AND THERE'S YOU CAN GO ANY CITY BUILDING THAT YOU YOU CAN GET TO DURING THE DAY BETTER PART OF THE DAY. AND SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SMALL FRAGMENT SEGMENT OF THE DAY.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THAT'S COMMUNICATED CLEARLY REGULARLY ENOUGH. I THINK IT'S, IT'S MISCOMMUNICATED MORE THAN IT'S COMMUNICATED CLEARLY. SO I JUST THE TWO ASK IS, YES, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF WORKING WITH THE COUNTY. YES. NORMALIZING THAT. BUT THEN I ALSO WOULD ASK US TO GO A STEP FURTHER AND NORMALIZE LOCATIONS, JUST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S A MEETING WITH THE COUNTY AND OTHER CITIES, WHAT LOCATIONS, AND WE ALL AGREE AND JUST PUT OUT A, YOU KNOW, HERE'S A STANDARDIZED LIST THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK FROM. AND THEN I DON'T THINK THAT HAS TO BE EXHAUSTIVE. I THINK YOU CAN THEN JUST SAY PUBLIC BUILDINGS OR PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND CHECK FOR HOURS, OR CERTAINLY FROM 8 TO 5, MOST BUILDINGS. AND SO I DON'T NEED WE DON'T NEED THE LIST. FIRE STATION ONE THROUGH EIGHT. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY. I THINK YOU CAN SAY PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND FILL IN THE BLANK OR CALL OUT SPECIFIC ONES STRATEGICALLY LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO TO NORMALIZE THAT. I JUST THERE'S SOME MESSAGING AND KIND OF JUST EASY TO CONSUME, EASY TO COMMUNICATE, CUT AND PASTE, SHARE THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

VERSUS AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF EVERY LIBRARY, EVERY FIRE STATION, EVERY, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SHARE, IF YOU WILL, OR HARD TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT SO THAT THAT THAT'S ONE THING. AND THEN. I DO. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING HERE THAT THAT ALIGNS WITH OUR CURRENT POSITION AND THE NEW POSITION. WE'RE TAKING ON DROP OFFS. SO IS THAT CODIFIED SOMEWHERE WHERE IRRESPECTIVE OF WEATHER EVENT? I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT POLICY STANDS.

>> SO WE HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH PARTNERS AT THE VARIOUS KIND OF HOMELESSNESS COALITION. I KNOW YOU ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS, MAYOR. AND MAKING CLEAR TO

FOLKS THAT IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO DROP INDIVIDUALS OFF AT THE. >> YEAH, BUT IS THAT CAPTURED SOMEWHERE IN THIS IN THIS IS IT. DOES IT BETTER SAY DOES IT NEED TO BE?

>> I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING BETTER TO CONSIDER IN THE THE OPERATING AGREEMENT WITH OUR

DAILY BREAD THAN WITH THE INCLEMENT WEATHER POLICY. >> PERFECT. THANK YOU. YES.

BECAUSE. WELL. THEN ANSWER WHAT IS THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION? DURING THE INCLEMENT WEATHER TIME PERIODS? IS THAT PROHIBITION RESTRICTED OR IS THAT PROHIBITED? PROHIBITION

ADHERED TO? BETTER SAID, IS IT IN PLACE? >> SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S A DURING THE PERIODS OF INCLEMENT WEATHER THEY WAIVE THEY ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO STAY. THERE'S NO CHECK FOR WHO BROUGHT YOU HERE OR HOW DID YOU GET HERE BEFORE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE A BED OR.

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A RESIDENCY. SO THERE ISN'T A PROCESS IN PLACE TO TO VET THOSE THINGS. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PREVENT INDIVIDUALS FROM FROM COMING HERE AT ANY TIME, FROM OTHER LOCATIONS, FROM OTHER CITIES, AND NOT NECESSARILY JUST DURING THE INCLEMENT WEATHER PERIOD.

>> RIGHT. BUT LET ME MAYBE I DIDN'T ASK IT. I THINK I HEARD YOU ANSWER. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. BUT DURING INCLEMENT WEATHER, IF SOMEONE CAN SOMEONE SAY, OH, THIS IS AN EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE. SO THAT RULE IS NOT IN PLACE, I'M GOING TO DROP SOMEBODY OFF.

>> I MEAN. THAT'S A THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION. I MEAN, THERE'S NO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'D ENCOURAGE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD SEEK TO DO. BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT THOSE KINDS OF SITUATIONS ARE MAYBE BETTER DONE IN THE MSOA AND THE AGREEMENT WITH OUR DAILY BREAD

AND NOT THE CITY POLICY ON CITY FACILITIES. >> GOT IT. THEN I'LL JUST SAY, FOR THE RECORD, I DISAGREE. I THINK WE SHOULD COMMUNICATE THAT. I THINK IT SHOULD BE, HEY, GIVE US A COURTESY CALL IF EITHER WE'RE GOING TO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL BE RECEPTIVE AND RECEPTIVE. THAT'S GREAT. BUT WE WOULD SAY GIVE US A COURTESY CALL SO THAT WE KNOW WHERE THIS WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL ARRIVED FROM. WHERE ARE YOU GOING BACK TO THOSE SORT OF THINGS. RIGHT.

I JUST I, I DON'T I MEAN, I THINK YOU NEED THOSE STRUCTURES IN PLACE FOR YOU WANT TO ELIMINATE AS MUCH GRAY AREA AS POSSIBLE. AND I THINK THAT IS A GRAY AREA THAT COULD BE.

ADDRESSED. AND YEAH, SO I THINK IT SHOULDN'T BE SILENT ON IT. BUT THAT'S I'M JUST ONE. BUT I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A POSITION AND THEN AND I'LL SAY THAT I'M. IN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE SITTING UP AND NOT HAVING MEDICAL ISSUES. SECONDS MATTER.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE PUTTING THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE THE DEFIBRILLATORS. WE HAVE ALL THESE STEPS WE'RE TAKING TO MAKE SURE WE CAN ACT. IF SOMEONE'S HAVING A MEDICAL EMERGENCY. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE LIKE THE, HEY, CARRY NARCAN. YOU HAVE ALL THESE THINGS TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THINGS IN AN INSTANT AND BEING AFRAID TO CHECK ON SOMEBODY IS IS A IS IS A DANGEROUS THING IN MY ESTIMATION. AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE RIGHT RECENTLY. RIGHT.

RIGHT. BY BCI MECHANICAL BEHIND THERE. THAT UNFORTUNATELY WAS FOUND AND DECEASED. AND THE WELLS FARGO BENCH THAT THEY TOOK OUT BECAUSE SOMEONE WAS FOUND DECEASED LAYING DOWN. I MEAN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING UNFORTUNATELY, IT HAPPENS. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY IS SAFE AND NOT UNDER MEDICAL DURESS, AND WE'RE HESITANT TO CHECK ON THEM. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BE, AND I WANT PEOPLE TO BE DILIGENT ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S THAT'S CRITICAL. AND AND THE POLICY IS NO DIFFERENT THAN JUST TO, TO PUT A FINAL STATEMENT ON THAT. WHEN SOMEONE CALLS, THEY SEND AN AMBULANCE. IF YOU CALL 911 OR SOMETHING, YOU SAY, HEY, THERE'S A PERSON LAYING DOWN. I'M NOT SURE THEY SEND AMBULANCE FOR THAT REASON TO MAKE SURE MEDICALLY THEY'RE OKAY. SO THAT'S JUST THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WITH WHAT PRACTICES THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN A BUILDING OR NOT. SO I THINK THAT'S AND THAT'S GOOD AND RIGHT TO DO SO. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT PRESENTATION. GREAT INFORMATION.

[C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the City Manager’s Proposed FY 2025-26 Budget. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 1 hour]]

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> THAT TAKES US TO ITEM C. WHICH IS ID 251566. RECEIVE REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE CITY CITY MANAGER'S PROPOSED FY

20 2526 BUDGET. >> OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M CHRISTINE TAYLOR, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. SO TODAY MARKS OUR FINAL BUDGET WORK SESSION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526 BEFORE IT IS SCHEDULED FOR ADOPTION ON SEPTEMBER 19TH. THIS AFTERNOON, WE WILL COVER THE FOLLOWING KEY TOPICS. WE'LL GO OVER. RESIDENT FEEDBACK. SORRY. RESIDENT FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET WILL RECAP OUR BUDGET, METHODOLOGY, STRATEGY AND EXPECTED OUTCOMES. AS WE WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. WE'LL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW ON THE GENERAL FUNDS FORECASTED REVENUE AND EXPENSES, ALONG WITH THE PROPOSED REDUCTIONS THAT LED TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

BALANCED BUDGET WILL COVER THE PROPOSED TAX RATE AND THE ESTIMATED IMPACT ON THE TAX BILL. AND FINALLY, WE'LL HAVE OUR FINAL DISCUSSION ON ANY ADDRESSING ANY REMAINING QUESTIONS OR CHANGES BEFORE THE NEXT BEFORE NEXT WEEK'S VOTE. FOR BACKGROUND, THIS IS A SLIDE COVERING ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS AND WORK SESSIONS THAT WE HAVE HAD ON THE BUDGET

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IN PREPARATION FOR FY 2526. WE KICKED OFF A LITTLE EARLIER THAN THIS YEAR BASED ON PRELIMINARY FORECAST STARTING IN MAY, WITH THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR PROVIDING AN UPDATE AND THEN GOING OVER PRELIMINARY FORECAST AND PROJECTED IMPACTS. IN JUNE, WE GAVE AN UPDATE AND BROUGHT FORWARD THOSE PROPOSED REDUCTIONS IN ADVANCE OF SUBMITTING A BALANCED BUDGET IN JULY. WE COVERED UTILITY BUDGETS AND RATES AGAIN IN JULY. THEN YOU HEARD ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. ON AUGUST 9TH, WE HELD OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP, COVERED THE CITY MANAGER'S PROPOSED BUDGET, TALKED ABOUT TAX RATE, AND COVERED ALL FUNDS. ON AUGUST 19TH WAS OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP FOLLOW UP, WHERE WE REVIEWED UTILITY BUDGETS AND GENERAL FUND FEES. AND THEN TODAY IS OUR FINAL REVIEW OF THAT GENERAL FUND BUDGET, PROPOSED TAX RATE AND ANY REMAINING BUDGET FOLLOW UP ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS OR GO OVER.

AFTER THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, THE CITY KICKED OFF A A WAY INVITING RESIDENTS TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE BUDGET. WE HAVE A INTERACTIVE PLATFORM OUT ON THE WEBSITE THAT INVITES RESIDENTS TO EXPLORE THE BUDGET AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK. AS OF SEPTEMBER 2ND, WE HAD 58 SUBMISSIONS AND PROVIDED THAT DATA TO YOU IN AN EXHIBIT. THIS IS A SNAPSHOT. WE HAD 15 RESPONSES THAT INDICATED TO INCREASE THE PROPOSED TAX RATE, 16 RESPONSES AT KEEPING AT WHAT IS PROPOSED, AT WHICH IS THE $0.01 INCREASE, AND 27 OF THOSE RESPONSES INDICATED THEY'D LIKE TO SEE A DECREASE IN THE PROPOSED RATE. WE HAVE SOME METRICS TO BREAK DOWN WHAT WHO WE WERE RECEIVING RESPONSES FROM, AND THEN JUST IN GENERAL, THE OF THE 58, WE RECEIVED 33 WRITTEN RESPONSES. AND THE RESPONSES REFLECTED A WIDESPREAD CONCERN ABOUT RISING PROPERTY TAXES, A DESIRE FOR GREATER FISCAL DISCIPLINE. MANY RESIDENTS URGED THE CITY TO REDUCE INTERNAL COSTS, PARTICULARLY ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEAD. THERE WERE CALLS TO OPERATE MORE EFFICIENTLY, STREAMLINE SPENDING. WE HAD SEVERAL SUGGESTING REALLOCATING FUNDING FROM PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS TO AREAS LIKE TRANSPORTATION, PARKS, LIBRARIES, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. WHILE OTHER RESPONSES EMPHASIZE MAINTAINING ADEQUATE SUPPORT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND INFRASTRUCTURE. IMPROVEMENTS WERE MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES, INCLUDING ROAD MAINTENANCE, EXPANDING TRANSIT OPTIONS, AND RECEIVED BROAD SUPPORT ALONG WITH AN INTEREST ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO TO RECAP, GOING INTO THIS YEAR, WE TOOK A NEW APPROACH WITH METHODOLOGY AND STRATEGY. WE IMPLEMENTED A ZERO BASED BUDGETING, WHICH WE COVERED. SO ALL SPENDING WAS JUSTIFIED FROM A ZERO BASE. THAT DID HAVE AN IMPACT OF INCREASED BUDGETS. WHERE WE LOOKED AT RIGHTSIZING A FEW THINGS, AND THE OBJECTIVE THERE WAS TO ENSURE EVERY DOLLAR PROVIDED A MAXIMUM IMPACT, WE MOVED TO A MANAGED VACANCY PROGRAM MID-YEAR TO GENERATE BUDGETARY SAVINGS BY STRATEGICALLY FREEZING, OPENING OPEN POSITIONS, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, WE ADDED A BUDGET TASK FORCE WITHIN CITY DEPARTMENTS TO IDENTIFY, REVIEW AND RECOMMEND COST SAVING MEASURES AND THOSE OUTCOMES THAT WERE EXPECTED FROM THAT METHODOLOGY AND STRATEGY WERE TO HAVE IMPROVED FINANCIAL HEALTH, ACHIEVE AND SUBMIT THAT BALANCED BUDGET AS WE WERE ABLE TO DO, AND INCREASE THE CITY'S FINANCIAL STABILITY AND RESILIENCE FOR FUTURE CHALLENGES. THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL RECAP OF WHAT'S BEEN COVERED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND ON THE BUDGET WORK SESSION.

THIS YEAR'S PROPOSED BUDGET DOES NOT INCLUDE A COST OF LIVING OR MERIT ADJUSTMENTS FOR NON CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEES. AS PART OF MEET AND CONFER, OUR CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE ELIGIBLE WILL RECEIVE THEIR PAY INCREASES ON OUR HEALTH INSURANCE FOR EMPLOYEES, THE EMPLOYER PAID PREMIUM, WHICH IS THE CITY SIDE PORTION, WILL BE INCREASING BY 2.19%, BRINGING THE COST TO WHERE THE CITY IS PAYING 1300 PER EMPLOYEE PER MONTH TOWARDS THEIR HEALTH CONTRIBUTIONS. EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS NOW, WHAT WILL BE DEDUCTED FROM AN EMPLOYEE'S PAYCHECK WILL JUST CHANGE BASED ON WHAT SERVICES THEY ELECT FOR THE UPCOMING CALENDAR YEAR. FOR OUR RETIREMENT CONTRIBUTIONS, THE RATE IS DECREASING FROM 18.88% TO 18.6, AND THEN THE FIRE PENSION RATE REMAINS ALIGNED WITH MRS. THIS DECREASE IS A GOOD THING FOR THE CITY, AND IT REPRESENTS A CITYWIDE SAVINGS, APPROXIMATELY $400,000. AT THE BUDGET WORKSHOP WE TALKED ABOUT TWO ADDITIONAL CHANGES. WE TALKED ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES CLOSING AT NOON ON FRIDAY, AND THAT WE'RE PROPOSING A PILOT PROGRAM. WE WHEN WE SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT THAT IN AUGUST, WE DID TENTATIVELY THINK IT WOULD HAPPEN IN OCTOBER. WE HAVE A WORK GROUP WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW, IDENTIFYING WHAT POLICIES NEED TO CHANGE. HOW WILL THIS AFFECT TIME CARDS? SO IT WILL BE AT SOME POINT IN NEXT FISCAL YEAR, BUT WE STILL

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HAVE SOME WORK TO DO ON THAT ITEM. AND THEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, THEY TOOK A VOTE AND THEY ARE MOVING TO A NINE 4896 SCHEDULE. AND THAT IS TENTATIVE FOR IMPLEMENTATION IN JANUARY. MOVING INTO OUR GENERAL FUND REVENUES, WE HAVE SUBMITTED A BUDGET WITH $218 MILLION FOR TOTAL REVENUE. OUR PROPERTY TAX GROWTH WAS AROUND 7% FROM LAST YEAR, AND WE ARE ESTIMATING THAT AT, I THINK, 98.5% COLLECTIONS SALES TAX IS SHOWING A 4.5% GROWTH. AND THOSE WERE THE MAJOR CHANGES ON OUR REVENUE. ON OUR EXPENSES. WE DID SEE AN INCREASE WHICH WE BROUGHT FORWARD IN TALKING TO ABOUT PERSONNEL COSTS AND SPECIFICALLY SEEING SOME RISING COSTS AND OVERTIME. WE DID KICK OFF A MID-YEAR AUDIT, WHICH MADISON IS ENGAGING IN, AND WILL BRING THAT INFORMATION FORWARD ON WHAT WE FIND WHEN LOOKING AT OVERTIME. AND THEN WE HAD A FEW CHANGES FROM THAT ZERO BASED BUDGETING. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE AT THE 218 MILLION SUBMITTING A PROPOSED A BALANCED BUDGET. THIS PROPOSED BUDGET DOES FALL BELOW OUR FUND BALANCE REQUIREMENTS AT THE 19.43%, BUT IN OUR PROJECTIONS IS EXPECTED TO BE BACK ABOVE THAT 20% IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. WHEN WE SPOKE WITH YOU IN JUNE ABOUT THE TYPE OF REDUCTIONS THAT WERE BEING PROPOSED, WE DID PROPOSE ABOUT $7 MILLION IN REDUCTIONS THAT WERE CONDUCTED AFTER THE ZERO BASED BUDGETING TOOK PLACE, AND THEN DEPARTMENTS ASSESSED EXISTING OPERATIONS TO IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES FOR COST SAVINGS THROUGH SERVICE REDUCTIONS, ELIMINATIONS, TECHNOLOGY IMPLEMENTATION AND INTERNALIZATION OF SERVICES.

THAT $3 MILLION INCLUDED IN THE RECOMMENDATION IS CONTINUING ON THAT MANAGE VACANCY PROGRAM THROUGH NEXT FISCAL YEAR. WE SUBMITTED VARIOUS PROGRAMS TO BE REDUCED. HI. A COUPLE OF THOSE HIGHLIGHTED ONES WERE THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM BEING REDUCED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, THE AFTER SCHOOL CARE, PAUSING OUR K-9 PROGRAM. THEN WE HAD SMALL REDUCTIONS TO OUR CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, TRAVEL AND TRAINING AND EQUIPMENT SUPPLIES AND OTHER DISCRETIONARY FUNDING, WHICH RESULTED IN ABOUT $7 MILLION IN EXPENSE REDUCTIONS FOR NEXT YEAR. FOR OUR TAX RATE. THIS THIS CHART ILLUSTRATES THE TAX RATE OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS AND WHAT OUR ASSESSED VALUE HAS LOOKED LIKE, AND THE BREAKDOWN BETWEEN THE O AND M PORTION OF THE RATE, AND THE DEBT SERVICE RATE AND THE CHANGE THE PROPOSED RATE, IT DOES INCLUDE A $0.01 INCREASE ON THE DEBT SERVICE SIDE. THIS PROPOSED CHANGE RESULTS IN FOR THE PROPOSED TAX RATE IS ESTIMATED TO BE AN $84 ANNUAL INCREASE ON THE AVERAGE ON THE ESTIMATED TAX BILL. A COUPLE THINGS HERE. WE'RE SHOWING FOR FY 25, THE AVERAGE HOMESTEAD VALUE WAS 378,000. VALUES HAVE INCREASED TO AND OUR NEW AVERAGE HOMESTEAD RESIDENTIAL VALUE IS AT 386,000. AND AGAIN THEN SHOWING THAT TAX RATE INCREASE, WHICH IS A $0.01 ON THE DEBT SERVICE SIDE OF THE SALES OF THE PROPERTY TAX, WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE AN ESTIMATED AVERAGE IMPACT OF $84 A YEAR, $7 A MONTH. SO WITH THAT, THAT IS A RECAP OF EVERYTHING WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE GENERAL FUND, THE TAX RATE, AND WE ARE SEEKING ANY REMAINING FEEDBACK ON THE CITY MANAGER'S PROPOSED BUDGET OR ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION NEXT WEEK. WE DO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT ON THE BUDGET AND THE TAX RATE, AND THEN THE 16TH IS SCHEDULED FOR BUDGET ADOPTION.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUST THERE'S OTHER COMMENTS I HAVE, BUT I WANT TO PUT THIS OUT THERE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN RESPOND TO IT CAN OBVIOUSLY LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM. AND THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK AND QUICK TURNAROUND ON THE REQUESTED INFORMATION, BUT CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS TO GET SPECIFICS ON HOW THEY HOW BLOCK BY BLOCK WOULD HANDLE THE. PROPOSED REDUCTION? IF, IF, IF WE GO DOWN THAT ROUTE? WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING WE DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS YET. BUT CORRECT. STEP US THROUGH THAT.

>> RIGHT. SO IN JUNE, WHEN WE PRESENTED THAT THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM WAS TO END OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, ONE OF THE CONSENSUS ITEMS FROM COUNCIL WAS TO EXPLORE IT BEING ABLE TO BE USED IN HOT FUNDS. SO WE DID REACH OUT TO BLOCK BY BLOCK WHO IS OUR CURRENT VENDOR AND ASKED FOR DIFFERENT REVISED PRICING SCENARIOS BASED ON SERVICE. SO THEY PROVIDED PRELIMINARY INFORMATION ON WHAT IF WE WENT DOWN TO FIVE DAYS A

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WEEK, IF WE REDUCE THE COVERAGE AREA SO THAT WE HAD SOME TYPE OF AN IDEA OF A BUDGET NUMBER TO WORK WITH, THAT IS ALL PRELIMINARY. IF A FUNDING ALLOCATION IS SET FOR THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE FORMALIZED THROUGH A CONTRACT NEGOTIATED, IT COULD GO OUT FOR REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS. IT COULD BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT VENDOR. SO

NONE OF THAT HAS BEEN EXPLORED YET. >> GOT IT. AND. SO EXAMPLE OF THAT, WHY THAT'S SIGNIFICANT TO ME IS IF I'M LOOKING FOR ANSWERS FOR AN EXAMPLE, THERE'S BUSINESSES THAT FACE THIS. THE SQUARE PROPER BUT ON ARE NOT ON THE SQUARE PROPERTY. YOU'D HAVE TO CROSS THE STREET AND I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE INCLUDED OR NOT. IT JUST WE CAN'T GET A MAP UNTIL WE GET THOSE THINGS. SO I JUST THINK IT'S PREMATURE TO ALLOCATE $300,000 TO SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION ON. AND THEN ALSO, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WERE SENT OUT IN THE STATUS REPORT, THE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE WHAT THEY DO. AND SO AS FAR AS A FUNCTION, RIGHT, TO COLLECT DATA.

>> RIGHT. WELL, SO THE THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM WAS CURRENTLY FUNDED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. SO THERE WAS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DATA AND THINGS WE WERE COLLECTING. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT DATA NEEDS TO BE COLLECTED AND REPORTED ON TO ENSURE WE'RE

MEETING THAT TOURISM IMPACT. >> WHICH COULD DRIVE THE COST. >> UP POTENTIALLY. YES. I MEAN,

ANY CHANGE TO A PROGRAM. YES. >> YEAH. AND THEN, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK OUT OF TURN. OBVIOUSLY YOU SENT OUT A STATUS REPORT. SO MY, MY WHERE I'M DRIVING AT AND I DON'T WANT TO AGAIN DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO. BUT WHAT I'M DRIVING AT IS THE QUESTION ABOUT HEADS AND BEDS AS IT RELATES TO THIS, THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM. CAN YOU WHAT CAN YOU SAY ABOUT THAT QUESTION FOR THIS PROGRAM?

>> WELL, WHAT I CAN SAY PUBLICLY AND CHRISTINE ADDRESSED IT. WE HAVE NEVER USED HOT FUNDS FOR THIS PURPOSE. AND SO THIS WOULD BE A CHANGE. AND WE HAVE NEVER COLLECTED THE DATA TO BASICALLY SUPPORT USING THE FUNDS FOR THIS AND JUSTIFYING THAT. SO WE'D HAVE TO GO OUT AND COLLECT SOME DATA OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, GATHER THAT INFORMATION TO TO FIND SUPPORT FOR THE HOT FUNDS, BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, IT HAS TO DRIVE TWO THINGS HEADS AND BEDS AND THEN VERY LIMITED PURPOSES WITHIN THE TAX CODE FOR WHAT THOSE FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR. SO LOOKING AT BOTH ACQUIRING DATA AS WELL AS LOOKING AT THE PROGRAM ITSELF, WHAT CHANGES WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE TO THAT IN ORDER TO SUPPORT USING HOT FUNDS? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN OVER THE NEXT PERIOD OF TIME.

>> SO GIVEN THOSE GRAY AREAS, MY PROPOSAL AND I'D ASK IF AND SO WE CAN'T VOTE IN HERE, BUT I'M ASKING FOR YOU TO ALIGN AND GIVE DIRECTION TO DO THIS. I WOULD SAY. AND CHRISTINE, HOW MUCH HOW MUCH HAS THE IN PARTNERSHIP, THE COUNTY AND THE CITY, HOW MUCH TOP LINE REVENUE OR DOLLARS HAVE? HAS THE COUNTY PROVIDED IN SUPPORT OF CITY INITIATIVES?

>> WE DID LOOK AT THIS INFORMATION YESTERDAY FOR THE BOND PROGRAM. THE BOND PROGRAMS ON ROADS WAS AROUND 52 MILLION FROM THEIR LAST TWO BOND PROGRAMS.

>> 52 MILLION. YES. YEAH. SO GIVEN ALL THOSE THINGS, THE INVESTMENT THE COUNTY'S MADE, THE UNCERTAINTY IN THE STRUCTURE AND HOW IT'S AND HOW IT'S USED AND THE NEW REQUIREMENTS AND RFP, RFI, WHATEVER THOSE THINGS ARE MY MY SUGGESTION AND I'M ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO SUPPORT THIS, WOULD BE TO ALLOCATE $200,000 TO THE COUNTY'S THE WHATEVER THAT THE HISTORY AND CULTURE LOOKING FOR THAT LINE ITEM. AND THEN 70,000 FOR THE TEXAS VETERANS HALL OF FAME. AND THEY'VE GIVEN AN INDICATION AND STAFF'S TALK TO THEM ABOUT. THEY JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE APPLICATION AND THE QUESTIONS. BUT THEY DO DRIVE TOURISM. AND THEN ALSO THE SO 200,000 TO THE COUNTY, 70,000 TO THE TEXAS VETERANS, WHICH IS A REDUCTION. THEY ASKED FOR 90 SOMETHING. SO WE'RE REDUCING THEM AND THEN 30,000 FOR DOG DAYS. AND DOG DAYS IS NOTEWORTHY BECAUSE THAT COMES RIGHT BACK TO THE TO THE CITY. SO WE WE SUPPORT THEM, BUT THEY'RE ALSO FUND RAISING FOR US TO HAVE THE ALL ACCESS PARK FOR PEOPLE WITH ALL DISABILITIES, WITH ALL ABILITIES. AND SO THAT I CRITICAL THAT WE PROVIDE FUNDS FOR THEM SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO HELP US GROW OUR PARK NETWORK, AND ESPECIALLY THAT SPECIFICALLY THAT PARK. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY ASK 200 FOR THE COUNTY, 70 FOR THE TEXAS VETERANS, 30 FOR DOG DAYS. AND THEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, THERE'S THERE'S A CONTINGENCY MONEY, AND THERE'S ALL THOSE THINGS IN PLACE TO CONTINUE. THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM

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CONTINUES THROUGH DECEMBER, AND THERE'S MONEY TO TRUE THAT UP IF DOWN AFTER THAT ROLLS OUT.

IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T PREVENT THOSE CONVERSATIONS. I JUST CAN'T, IN GOOD FAITH, ALLOCATE MONEY TO SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION FOR YET. IT'S JUST NOT IT'S NOT READY. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S FOR YOU. THAT'S GENERAL DIRECTION

REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT SIX. >> WELL. AND. AFTER SEEING THE. CONFIDENTIAL BACKUP MATERIAL, IT DOES SEEM THAT THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM, WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARDS FOR THE HOT FUNDS. I MEAN, OR IT WITH THE INFORMATION WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

SORRY. PLEASE, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND PUT IT INTO CONTEXT. >> THE CONTEXT IS THAT WE NEED TO GATHER THE DATA TO SUPPORT IT, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WILL SHOW.

>> OKAY. BUT BUT THAT WAS. IT IS UNCONFIRMED AND THEREFORE POTENTIALLY I THINK DANGEROUS IS TOO STRONG OF A WORD. BUT CONCERNING THAT WE WOULD THEN COMMIT HOT FUNDS WHEN WE ARE UNSURE OF ITS LEGAL. WHAT IS THE WORD? I'M LOOKING FOR COMPLIANCE, SHALL WE SAY? AND I HAD BEEN IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THAT, AND I'M IN FAVOR OF FINDING WHAT WE NEED TO TO ENSURE THAT THE SQUARE IN DOWNTOWN AREA ARE AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE. AND I THINK THAT WILL TAKE SOMETHING AFFIRMATIVE ON THE CITY'S PART. NOT JUST WHAT WE'RE DOING. STATUS QUO ABOUT THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM WITH THAT AND AND ALSO CONSIDERING WHAT THE COUNTY'S OFFICE OF HISTORY AND CULTURE DOES AS FAR AS MAINTAINING WHERE THE COMMUNITY. MARKET IS WITH WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF DENTON, IN RESTORING HOUSES AND BRINGING DIFFERENT, HISTORICALLY IMPORTANT HOUSES TO THE CITY OF DENTON, TO THE PARK THERE WITH WHAT THEY DO WITH THE MUSEUM ON THE SQUARE THAT DOES DRAW PEOPLE. AND SO WITH ALL THAT, AND IN CONSIDERATION OF BEING THE COUNTY SEAT AND WANTING A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY AND APPRECIATING THE 50 MILLION THAT THEY'VE CHOSEN TO SPEND TO ASSIST THE CITY, THAT THEY WEREN'T OBLIGATED TO. I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF 200,000. THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT. I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THE TEXAS VETERANS. I DO AGREE THAT THE DOG DAYS DOES PUT THE MONEY RIGHT BACK TO THE CITY, AS FAR AS IT RAISES MONEY FOR THE PARKS. I DO HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE DENTON ARTS AND JAZZ AND THE THE HOLIDAY FESTIVAL. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYONE'S ELSE'S FEELINGS ARE, BUT THOSE ARE THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AS FAR AS WHAT DIRECTION I CAN GIVE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR THEN TWO. >> THANK YOU. I WENT TO DOG DAYS THIS PAST WEEKEND. HAD A GREAT TIME. GREAT TIME. I CAN'T I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER WAY TO SPEND A SATURDAY THAN WITH ABOUT A MILLION DOGS. THIS IS THE MOST UNSCIENTIFIC STUDY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO EVER HEAR ABOUT. BUT I TALKED TO TWO PEOPLE WHO HAD BOOTHS AT DOG DAYS. ONE WAS FROM AUSTIN AND ONE WAS FROM LEANDER. YOU KNOW WHERE LEANDER IS? IT'S ABOUT 30 MILES NORTH OF AUSTIN. NEITHER ONE OF THEM SPENT THE NIGHT IN DENTON. THEY CAME. THEY GOT UP EARLY AND DROVE TO DENTON, DID THEIR DEAL, AND THEY WERE GOING BACK HOME. IT'S EXACTLY THE POINT. THE THE WHOLE POINT OF OF HOT TAXES IS TO ENCOURAGE TOURISM AND TO CONTRIBUTE TO HEADS IN BEDS. THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT WITH WITH ALL RESPECT, MAYOR. THE THE TEXAS VETERANS HALL OF FAME IS SIMPLY NOT DOING THAT. THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT SUGGESTS THAT.

CAN YOU GIVE ME THEIR SCORE? >> YES. THE VETERANS HALL OF FAME, I CAN. THEY I BELIEVE THEY SCORED AROUND 70 POINTS. WE DID SPEAK WITH THEM AFTER THE FACT AND HAVE DONE SOME VISITS, AND THEY HAD SUBMITTED THEIR VISITOR IMPACT INFORMATION UNDER SOME INCORRECT GUIDANCE, SO THEIR SCORE WOULD CHANGE A LITTLE BIT, PROBABLY UP CLOSER TO THE 80S,

BUT THEY SCORED AROUND 77. >> OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S NOT INFORMATION THAT I HAVE SEEN.

WHAT ABOUT THE COUNTY HISTORIC MUSEUM? WHAT'S THEIR SCORE THERE?

>> THE COUNTY HISTORIC MUSEUM, BASED OFF THEIR APPLICATION, SCORED 77.5 POINTS OUT OF 100.

>> OKAY, SO THE SUGGESTION IS THAT THESE TWO THAT THESE TWO GROUPS FIND FINE GROUPS. I LIKE EVERYBODY IN THESE IN THESE ORGANIZATIONS, BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE TAKING MORE THAN THEY'RE GIVING. THEY'RE THEY'RE GETTING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF

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DOLLARS. AND THEY'RE NOT REPLENISHING THAT. I SUGGEST THAT EVERY GROUP HAS SOME KIND OF A PIVOT ON THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE. THEY GO THERE TO, TO WALK AROUND THE SQUARE, TO SHOP, TO HAVE TO HAVE A MEAL, TO JUST BASK IN THE AMBIANCE IN DOWNTOWN DENTON. WHAT COULD BE MORE TOURISM FRIENDLY THAN HAVING A CLEAN, SAFE ENVIRONMENT? IT'S THE ONLY IT'S THE ONLY EFFORT THAT WE'RE MAKING DOWNTOWN TO TO TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND, AND VISITORS AND PEOPLE AND PEOPLE IN THE CITY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ABSOLUTELY TRASH THE CRITERIA FOR THE HOT FUNDS. IF WE DO THIS, IT SIMPLY IT SIMPLY DOESN'T WORK. THE HOT FUNDS ARE TO ENCOURAGE TOURISM AND AND IT'S AND IT'S DESIGNED TO TO TO BENEFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT PUT HEADS IN BEDS, NOT A HEAD IN GRANDMA'S BED. AUNT BESSIE'S

BED IN A IN A HOTEL PAYING FOR IT. THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO.

>> THANK YOU. SO BEFORE I ASK MY QUESTION, ARE WE FOCUSING ON JUST YOUR COMMENTS RIGHT NOW, MAYOR, AND THESE PARTICULAR PROGRAMS, ARE WE DOING THE WHOLE THING?

>> WHOLE THING? I JUST WANTED THAT OUT THERE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD A REACTION TO IT. SIMILAR TO COUNCILMEMBER GESTURE, WHERE SHE MODIFIED, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO IT'S JUST OUT THERE FOR FOR DISCUSSION. >> BUT ALL COMMENTS IS WHAT I

HEAR YOU SAYING. >> YES. >> OKAY. GOTCHA. WELL, I'LL

START. >> THE SHORT ONES. >> YEAH, I'LL.

>> I'LL BE SHORT. >> I WILL START I HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS THAT THE MAYOR HAS AND THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT TO LIGHT EVEN BEFORE THE MOST RECENT INFORMATION THAT THE MISTER CITY ATTORNEY WAS TALKING ABOUT. SO. I, I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE THERE'S A, THERE'S AS, AS WE'VE ALL ALLUDED TO, THERE'S THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO DESIGN A PROGRAM OF SOME SORT THAT THAT MANAGES SOME DEGREE OF, OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, PUBLIC CLEANLINESS, ETCETERA, ETCETERA. I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE COULD DO THAT. AND WITH THE AMBIGUITIES, I CAN'T. SO I CAN START OFF PARTIALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR, IS I DON'T I WASN'T GOING TO SIGN OFF ON A BUDGET WHERE THAT GOT FUNDED AS IS ANYWAY. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE MAYOR COMING OUT OUT OF THE GATE. HOT ON THAT. I SUPPORT THAT ELEMENT THAT AT THIS TIME IS THE WRONG TIME FOR FOR THAT 300,000 ISH. I THINK WE'RE ALL ROUNDING, BUT WHATEVER THE ACTUAL NUMBER IS.

NOW TO, TO THE POINT OF OF SHOULD IT BE, YOU KNOW, HOW SHOULD THAT MONEY BE REALLOCATED. I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S PROBABLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE. I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH COUNCILOR HOLLAND. I THINK THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR REASONS TO COME HERE BECAUSE OF THESE HOT FUNDED ACTIVITIES AND AND OTHERWISE PEOPLE WOULDN'T THE TOURISM WOULDN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, NO DISRESPECT, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHY THE PEOPLE ARE COMING TO OUR PORTFOLIO OF EVENT STRUCTURES AND OUR CULTURAL EVENTS AND, AND WHETHER WHETHER OR NOT THEY SPECIFICALLY STAY IN A PARTICULAR HOTEL OR NOT, IT IS IT IS TO DRIVE CULTURAL EVENTS AND TOURISM. AND I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR OR COUNCILOR CHESTER. I FORGET WHO DID IT. TALKING ABOUT THE AMPLIFYING EFFECT OF OF SOME OF OUR EVENTS, LIKE DOG DAYS. I MEAN, ALL THAT MONEY STARTS LOCAL, STAYS LOCAL AND AMPLIFIES. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A THERE'S A MULTIPLIER EFFECT FOR THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I, I THINK YOU'RE HEARING SUBSTANTIAL CONCURRENCE WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS SO FAR IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY HOW THAT'S REALLOCATED. I THINK IF YOU WANT TO IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO SPLIT THE BABY A LITTLE BIT, I THINK WE COULD KEEP THAT $300,000 IN A CONTINGENCY FUND AND THEN SEE HOW THAT SHAKES OUT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE SHAKING OUT IS IN A WEEK FROM TODAY. I'M AWARE OF THAT, BUT THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY. IF THERE IS CONSENSUS ON ON NOT ALLOCATING THAT 300,000, I THINK THEN WE HAVE A WEEK TO DECIDE HOW WOULD WE PREFER TO ALLOCATE THAT AS A CONSENSUS BODY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND IS

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THAT THAT THAT IS OUT THERE AND THAT WE EITHER PUT IT IN CONTINGENCY FUNDS OR, OR YOU THINK ABOUT IT FOR THE THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING NEXT WEEK. SO THAT THAT'S WHERE I WOULD BE ON THAT. I'M, I'M, I'M A BIG FAN OF EVERYTHING THAT THE HISTORICAL PARK DID. SO I'M, I'M NOT OUT OF THE GATE OPPOSED TO ANY, ANY OF THAT READJUSTMENT THAT YOU HEARD.

I'M NOT I'M NOT FIGHTING OFF ANY OF THOSE SUGGESTIONS. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO HAVE A BROADER DISCUSSION ON THAT. SO I APPRECIATE PEOPLE BRINGING THAT UP. AND THEN NOW SOME OTHER COMMENTS. THE MAYOR ASKED ME TO BE BRIEF. SO THE THE $7, $84 A YEAR THAT THAT THE PROPOSED RATE WOULD BRING FORWARD ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED THE LAST MEETING OR THE MEETING BEFORE THAT WAS WHAT WHAT IS THAT NUMBER FOR THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE? AND WHAT IS THAT NUMBER FOR THE VOTER APPROVED? SO I YOU KNOW, IS IT SOMETHING LIKE $6 FOR THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, $7 FOR THE PROPOSED AND EIGHT FOR THE THE VOTER APPROVED RATE? I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S GOING TO WE GOT SOME ROUNDING THAT I DIDN'T DO, BUT DO WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS.

>> WE PROVIDED IT IN A FRIDAY REPORT. I'LL NEED TO PULL THAT AND THEN CAN AFTER THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, WE WE PUT IT IN THE FRIDAY REPORT. I DON'T HAVE IT OFFHAND, BUT I CAN PULL THAT.

>> I'M SORRY THAT I MISSED THAT. THAT'S THAT'S MY BAD. IF WE COULD AT SOME POINT TODAY BRING THAT FORWARD. AND I THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE WITH IT IS IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE ORDER OF A BUCK A MONTH DIFFERENT FOR YOUR AVERAGE TAXPAYER DEPENDING ON THE RATES. OKAY. MAYBE LESS. AND SO THAT'S THE NUMBER I'M ASKING FOR. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT $7 A MONTH OR 84 BUCKS A YEAR. WE'VE GOT A CEILING OF WHATEVER THE NO NEW REVENUE OR, SORRY, A FLOOR OF WHATEVER. THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS. IN TERMS TO MEET OUR SERVICE OBLIGATIONS, UNLESS COUNCIL IS A BODY CHOSE TO GO BELOW THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WHICH I DON'T SEE US DOING. SO WE REALLY AREN'T TALKING ABOUT $84 A YEAR. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE FROM WHATEVER. THAT WOULD BE 72 BUCKS A YEAR OR WHATEVER IT IS. OKAY. AND SO IF WE COULD GET BACK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, GETTING LOST IN THE WEEDS ON THAT ONE, ON WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT. AND THEN, OKAY, SO A LITTLE BIT I KNOW THIS IS ABOUT THE BUDGET FOR THIS COMING YEAR. SOME OF THE WAYS WE MADE THE, THE, THE ENDS SYNC UP AGAIN AND, AND SQUARED THE CIRCLE WERE A LOT OF COST SAVINGS SORT OF SEMI EMERGENCY COST SAVING MEASURES LEAVING VACANCIES OPEN, THAT SORT OF THING. IS IT IS IT AREN'T. WE CANNOT NECESSARILY KEEP DOING EMERGENCY COST CUTTING MEASURES INTO SUBSEQUENT BUDGET YEARS. THIS IS SORT OF LIKE WE'VE GOT TO GET RIGHT THIS YEAR, BUT THAT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA FOR NEXT YEAR AND GOING FORWARD BECAUSE WE WILL STARVE NEEDED PROGRAMS TO DEATH. DO WE HAVE ANY FEELING FOR WHAT'S GOING TO CARRY FORWARD? AND I WANT TO BE MINDFUL. I'M NOT TRYING TO DO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET SESSION ALREADY. SO JUST A REAL CRUDE TERM. WHAT WHAT WE WILL KEEP AND NOT KEEP IN TERMS OF I MEAN, BECAUSE WE CAN'T STARVE EVERYTHING FOR YEARS TO COME OR WE WILL JUST LOSE WHOLE PROGRAMS.

>> RIGHT? I IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, I THINK THE DEEP DIVE ON RIGHT SIZING THE EXPENSES AND THEN REALLY LOOKING AT OUR REVENUES AND HAVE THAT MORE CONSERVATIVE CONSERVATIVE REVENUE APPROACH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE CONTINUALLY NEED REDUCTIONS IN THE IN THE FUTURE YEAR, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. WE'RE CONTINUING TO MANAGE VACANCY PROGRAM FOR SURE WITH OUR PERSONNEL, BECAUSE THAT IS OUR HIGHEST COST. WE'RE DOING THE AUDIT TO LOOK AT OVER TIME, AND THEN WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE REDUCTIONS THAT WERE MADE. WE HAVE A MANAGEABLE BUDGET TO MANAGE THOSE EXPENSES. AND THE

SAME THING ON THE REVENUE SIDE. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I. I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, I AM SUPPORTIVE.

THIS IS MY LAST COMMENT, MR. MAYOR. I AM SUPPORTIVE OF SOME PUBLIC SANITATION EFFORT. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE IN HOUSED. I THINK TAKING IT OUTSIDE IS IS TOO COSTLY. THERE'S CLEARLY MIXED FEELINGS IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT IT, AND I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GROW AND MAKE A NEW, NEW POTENTIAL PROGRAM. YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY DIVERT FOLKS FROM ODB TO THE LANDFILL.

WE ALREADY DIVERT THEM TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER. I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLAN AND WORK OUT FOR FUTURE BUDGET YEARS, AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THESE KINDS OF SERVICES THAT KIND OF GET MULTIPLE BIRDS WITH ONE STONE, AND SO THAT THOSE DOLLARS STRETCH FURTHER IN THE SAME WAY THE DOG DAYS DOLLARS STRETCH FURTHER. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND IN YEARS

TO COME. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE.

>> I'M GOING TO SOUND VERY MUCH LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER JOE HOLLAND. HE AND I HAVE SPENT A NUMBER OF

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HOURS TOGETHER LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS AND WORKING WITH THESE GROUPS AND LISTENING TO THESE GROUPS, BUT WE HE AND I ALSO BOTH KNOW THAT. YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME ISSUES AND PROBLEMS WITH OUR DOWNTOWN AREA, WHICH CAUSED US TO LOOK INTO THIS AMBASSADORS PROGRAM. AT ONE POINT, OUR DOWNTOWN WAS A PLACE THAT PEOPLE DID NOT WANT TO GO, AND SINCE THEN, WE HAVE MADE SOME STRIDES IN OUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE IT ONE OF THE MOST EXCITING PLACES TO GO. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO OCTOBER, SO I DON'T WANT TO DISMISS THE IDEA OF HAVING THAT SUPPORT THERE. I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN ANY REPORT FROM ANYONE THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, DISMISSED IN THAT KIND OF WAY. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD RESERVE SOME FUNDING. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD JUST TOTALLY GO AWAY AND BE. RECONSTITUTED TO ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER GROUP BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT. WE DO HAVE VISITORS THAT COME FROM AROUND THE WORLD THAT WANT TO GO TO OUR DOWNTOWN AND EXPERIENCE WHAT IT IS, AND THEY WANT IT TO BE CLEAN, AND THEY WANT IT TO BE SAFE AND THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEIR TIME THERE. WITH THIS LAST ISSUE, SIGNIFICANT ISSUE THAT WE JUST HAD, EVENT THAT WE HAD WITH SOMEONE PASSING AWAY AT OUR DOWNTOWN AREA FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT THAT HURTS. SO I AM I AM GOING TO BE ADAMANT IN MY OWN WAY ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE, IN SOME KIND OF WAY, RESERVE SOME CONVERSATION TO KEEP OUR AMBASSADORS PROGRAM. YOU KNOW, AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE DID NOT HAVE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT RUBRIC FOR US IN HERE. AND YOU'VE HEARD ME STATE BEFORE, IT WAS GREAT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE ALL OF THESE, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZATIONS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PERFORM. IT WAS GREAT. AND WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF CRITERIA THAT THEY SHOULD BRING SOME PEOPLE IN, AND WE GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO GROW. I REMEMBER SAYING THAT MYSELF. WE NEED TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO GROW. THEY MAY DO BETTER NEXT YEAR, BUT WE HAD TO PUT SOME BOUNDARIES ON IT. AND THIS IS WHY WE ASKED FOR A RUBRIC. AND WHEN THIS RUBRIC CAME BACK, IT WAS CLEARLY EVIDENT THAT THERE WAS JUST SOME, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SOME BOUNDARIES HAD TO BE PUT. IT WAS HARD. THERE WAS ONE. THIS WAS THE HARDEST MEETING, THAT THIS WAS THE HARDEST YEAR FOR US TO DO THIS. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO STAY STEADFAST WITH OUR AMBASSADORS PROGRAM.

THEY DO MATTER IN TOURISM. I DON'T WANT TO GO TO ANOTHER CITY WHERE I FEEL UNSAFE DOWNTOWN, AND I TRAVEL QUITE A BIT, SO IN, IN, IN, IF ANYBODY ELSE FEELS LIKE I DO, I WANT TO GO SOMEWHERE WHERE I CAN SEE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING CARE OF ME, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT SPEAKING TO ME. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I IF WE CAN FIND SOME OTHER, SOME OTHER KIND OF WAY TO BRING IN SOME OF THESE OTHER GROUPS, I KNOW, LET'S DO IT. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.

BUT I DO WANT US TO STAY SAFE. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE.

>> OKAY, MAYOR PRO TEM. >> THANK YOU. MAYOR, CAN I START WITH A REQUEST? I MEAN, YOU CAN RESPOND OR NOT RESPOND RIGHT NOW. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET MAYBE A MONTH, A SORT OF VACANCY REPORT? SO YOU KNOW HOW MANY FTES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN EACH DEPARTMENT? AND THEN SEE A LIST OF THE POSITIONS THAT ARE VACANT, JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHO'S BEING HIT HARDEST RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW. AND THAT MAY FLUCTUATE THROUGHOUT TIME. BUT MAYBE IN THE STAFF REPORT OR SOMETHING, PERHAPS A MONTHLY UPDATE. SO WE HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHO'S ESPECIALLY SHORT STAFF.

SO IF WE'RE HEARING PEOPLE COMPLAIN THAT, OH, THIS ISN'T BEING DONE LIKE IT USED TO, WE CAN AT LEAST SAY, WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE A LITTLE SHORT STAFFED OVER THERE. IS

THAT SOMETHING WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT? >> I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT REPORTING, BUT CONTEXT WILL BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THAT. AND SO WE'LL NEED TO TALK. WE CAN EXPLORE HOW TO FRAME THAT AND SEE WHAT WHAT COULD BE PROVIDED. BUT JUST NUMBER OF VACANCIES SOMETIMES DOESN'T PROVIDE THE FULL CONTEXT OF THEIR OPERATIONAL NEED OR SERVICE

LEVELS. >> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.

>> SO OKAY. >> AND THEN SO HOT FUNDS I'M A LITTLE NEWER TO THE PROCESS OF ALLOCATING THESE. SO I UNDERSTAND IT'S THE COMMITTEE WITH COUNCILMEMBER HALL AND COUNCILMEMBER BYRD WHO WAS ON IT BEFORE. YOU'RE NEW, THERE'S FOUR OF YOU ON IT. NO.

>> THREE. >> YOU WERE ON IT AND NOW YOU'RE NOT. GOTCHA. ALL RIGHT.

SO CAN CAN SOMEBODY VERY BRIEFLY, MAYBE CHRISTINE, MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE EXPLAIN THE PROCESS OF HOW THIS FUNDING IS ALLOCATED. SO I KNOW THERE'S THE RUBRIC. I GUESS ONE

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QUESTION IS WHO DOES THE SCORING USING THE RUBRIC? IS THAT STAFF PRESENTED TO THE

COMMITTEE? >> YES. AND THIS WAS THE FIRST YEAR WE MADE THE CHANGE.

PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS AN APPLICATION PROCESS AND STAFF WAS JUST VERIFYING ELIGIBILITY.

SO THERE'S JUST WITH THE STATE STATUTE WHO'S ELIGIBLE. THEN WE STARTED A COUPLE YEARS AGO HAVING THESE GROUPS, ORGANIZATIONS COME IN AND TALK TO THE COMMITTEE ABOUT THEIR EVENT. HOW ARE THEY MARKETING IT, WHAT IS THEIR TOURISM DRAW TO HELP THAT COMMITTEE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS? BUT THE COMMITTEE WAS SOLELY ALLOCATING IN PRIOR YEARS. THIS WAS THE FIRST YEAR WE TALKED ABOUT. RESOURCES ARE INFINITE. WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAXIMIZING OUR DOLLARS. SO THERE WAS AN APPLICATION PERIOD APPLICATION PROCESS THROUGH OUR GRANT, OUR NEW GRANT SOFTWARE, OUR GRANTS MANAGEMENT OFFICE AND THREE OTHER FINANCE EMPLOYEES REVIEWED. WE BROUGHT THE RUBRIC FORWARD TO COUNCIL. SO INDICATING THIS IS WHAT THE WHAT ALL EVENTS WOULD BE SCORED ON. THEY DID HAD A FOUR PERSON, FOUR PERSON REVIEW. THOSE SCORES WERE AGGREGATE. AND THEN WE DID A FUNDING FORMULA. SO IF YOU RECEIVED 95 OR ABOVE POINTS YOU RECEIVED 100% OF YOUR ALLOCATION. WE BROUGHT THAT FORWARD TO THE COMMITTEE WITH THE BASELINE RECOMMENDATION. AND THEN THE COMMITTEE HAD ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND CHANGES TO THAT RECOMMENDATION AS SAME RECOMMENDATION MULTIPLE TIMES AS THEIR RECOMMENDATION AS PART OF THE CITY MANAGER'S PROPOSED BUDGET.

>> OKAY. AND HAVE WE RECEIVED THAT FORMULA? I SEE THE. >> IT WAS IN THE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP PRESENTATION FROM JULY WHEN THEY DID THE ALLOCATION. IT'S GOT THE RUBRIC INFORMATION, HOW EACH ORGANIZATION SCORED THAT BASELINE FUNDING RECOMMENDATION.

BUT WE CAN FOLLOW UP AND PROVIDE YOU THAT. >> ALSO. I DO HAVE THE THE SCORING. I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN THE MAYBE THE FORMULA FOR FUNDING NECESSARILY. ACTUALLY

MAYBE I DO SEE THAT. OKAY. SO THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT. >> IT'S ON PAGE SEVEN OF THAT PRESENTATION TO CPC UP IN THAT RIGHT HAND CORNER. SO ANYONE THAT SCORED 95 TO 100. AND THEN WE SHOWED LIKE HOW MANY ORGANIZATIONS FROM THAT BASELINE ORGANIZATION WHAT WHAT

THEY RECEIVED. >> GOTCHA I SEE IT THANK YOU. AND SO WHENEVER THE IDEA TO, YOU KNOW, EXPLORE THE IDEA OF FUNDING THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM THROUGH HOT FUNDS, WHAT WAS THAT PROCESS? DID WE GO AHEAD AND REMOVE THAT $300,000 FROM CONSIDERATION OF EVENTS, OR HOW DID THAT GO DOWN, LIKE, AND SORT OF WHAT MAYBE LOST FUNDING BASED ON THAT OR REDUCED

FUNDING. >> WHEN WE HAD THE JUNE WORK SESSION AND TALKED ABOUT NOT FUNDING THE PROGRAM ANY LONGER OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, THERE WAS CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL TO EXPLORE FUND ELIGIBILITY. SO AN APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED AND SCORED. BUT STAFF DID NOT MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATION ON FUNDING TO COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP FOR THAT AMOUNT. SO IT WASN'T TAKEN AWAY FROM ANY ORGANIZATION FROM THE BASELINE FUNDING. AND THROUGH THOSE COMMITTEE DISCUSSIONS, THEY LANDED ON AN ALLOCATION OF THE LOWEST LEVEL OF THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM. SO THEY WOULD HAVE REALLOCATED THE THE COMMITTEE REALLOCATED BASELINE FUNDING, WHICH WOULD

HAVE REDUCED FROM OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. YES. >> OKAY. I THINK WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS THE FIRST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I, I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THAT A TRADE OFF MIGHT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER THERE WAS A TRADE OFF

AND WHAT GOT TRADED. RIGHT. >> I THINK WE NEED TO DO A FOLLOW UP TO SHOW YOU, BECAUSE THIS IS SHOWING WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED, WHAT THEY REQUESTED, AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUNDS. BUT THAT WAS JUST THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION FROM COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE WANTING TO SEE LIKE AN ADDITIONAL COLUMN OF THE BASELINE. AND THEN WHAT THE FINAL WAS, BECAUSE BASELINE TO FINAL WILL SHOW YOU WHAT REDUCED OR INCREASED. WE CAN PULL THAT IN BETWEEN THE BREAK.

>> AND SO ADDING AMBASSADOR TO HOT FUNDS OR NOT ELIMINATED BUT DECREASE THE FUNDING FOR EVENTS.

>> YES. I DON'T KNOW WHICH SPECIFIC ONES, BUT IT DID REDUCE SOME OF THEM. YES.

>> OKAY. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE FIRST TIME THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT. UNFORTUNATELY I MISSED THAT. SO THAT'S ON ME. BUT, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT AND KNOWING THAT WE DO HAVE THE GRAY AREA WITH HOT FUNDS IN THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM, LIKE I'M OKAY REVISITING THE TOPIC AT SOME POINT. BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW FOR THIS COMING BUDGET, I, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE RIGHT NOW WITH AMBASSADOR PROGRAM IN HOT FUNDS. I'M GOOD WITH THE $200,000 FOR THE DENTON COUNTY PARK, 30,000 FOR THE THE DOG DAYS OF DENTON, THE 70,000. I'M LESS FAMILIAR WITH THAT. I'M GOING TO SORT OF HYBRID WITH WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER BECK SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY SETTING SOME ASIDE TO DISCUSS FURTHER IF THAT'S AN OPTION. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO?

>> YES. I MEAN, WE HAVE A CONTINGENCY AMOUNT BUDGETED AND THAT CAN REMAIN IF THAT'S THE

DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL. >> RIGHT. SO THE 70,000 I'M NOT SURE ABOUT. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOR HOT FUNDS. AND THEN CAN YOU ADDRESS SOME OF THE THEMES THAT WERE

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RAISED IN THE COMMUNITY BUDGET SURVEY. SO YOU MENTIONED SOME PEOPLE KIND OF HAD SOME IDEAS AND THERE WERE SORT OF SOME THEMES. AND IF YOU IF YOU'RE ABLE TO GO BACK AND FIND WHAT THOSE THEMES WERE, IF YOU CAN SORT OF PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE IDEAS,

PERHAPS IF THERE'S A BRIEF WAY TO. >> IN FOLLOW UP OR NOW.

>> ARE WE GETTING THE SAME PRESENTATION DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> IT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY OF THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK PORTION. IT'S A IT COVERS SOME OF THE BASIC ITEMS, BUT WE PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY WHAT THOSE COMMENTS WERE. AND SO IT WAS JUST CONTINUED. WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE PROPERTY TAX DECREASE. OVERALL CONCERNS WITH THIS ISN'T THE ONLY ENTITY TAXING OVERALL STRIVING FOR EFFICIENCIES, FINANCIAL DISCIPLINE. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WERE ALREADY IN THE WORKS AND ALSO HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED DURING THE PRIOR WORK SESSIONS OF BRINGING FORWARD THE FINANCIAL POLICIES, THE AUDITS, LOOKING AT THE OVERTIME. SO I DO FEEL THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED, SOME OF IT'S VERY BROAD, BUT WE ARE MAKING STRIDES TO ADDRESS THAT RESIDENT FEEDBACK.

>> YEAH. AND IF WE CAN, I GUESS KIND OF CALL THAT OUT WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD THIS IN THE SURVEY AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES THAT, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WOULD BE HELPFUL. SO PEOPLE DON'T FEEL LIKE THEIR COMMENTS JUST FELL INTO A DARK VOID OR SOMETHING THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY HEARD. AND THERE'S OTHER REASONS FOR OR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ON IT OR, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL FEELING HEARD. OKAY. AND I GUESS THAT'S ALL I HAVE

FOR RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. REPRESENTATIVE.

DISTRICT TWO. >> PIGGYBACKING OFF OF WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM SAID AND WHAT COUNCILOR JESTER SAID AT A PREVIOUS ITEM, I THINK WE'RE CLEARLY EXPERIENCING A STRONG DESIRE FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, BUT ACTUALLY A LIMITED AMOUNT OF STATISTICALLY RELEVANT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. SO I, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT CLEARLY WE NEED TO DO BETTER BECAUSE 58 PEOPLE OUT OF, OH, WHATEVER OUR TAX BASE IS, 150,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS NOT IDEAL. AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN ALL BRAINSTORM AND THINK OF IDEAS TO GET PEOPLE TO, TO, TO ENGAGE, I REALLY WANT TO SUPPORT WHAT COUNCILOR JESTER SAID EARLIER. AND, AND ONE LAST COMMENT I, I WANT TO COMMEND YOU IN THIS PRESENTATION. I DON'T THINK IT ROSE UP AS AS WELL IN PREVIOUS ONES, BUT IN THIS CURRENT PRESENTATION, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE KEEPING THE THE O&M RATE THE SAME AS LAST YEAR. AND IT WAS REALLY ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. AND THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A LOT OF INTEREST, BUT NOT A LOT. WE'RE SEEING AN INTEREST IN SINKING.

AND THAT THAT GOES TO SOME OF THE POINTS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PREVIOUS BUDGET DISCUSSION OF THAT'S JUST NOT SUSTAINABLE, TO CONSTANTLY WATCH OUR INTEREST IN SINKING GO UP AND UP AND UP AND UP. SO I APPRECIATE YOU HIGHLIGHTING THAT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> YEAH. CITY MANAGER. >> I DO WANT TO SAY JUST 1 OR 2 THINGS THAT I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD DID A YEOMAN'S JOB. THIS WAS I MEAN, THIS BECAUSE WE'VE NOT HAD A RUBRIC BEFORE AND THAT'S NOT BEEN LOST ON ME BECAUSE I HAVE HAD SOME HEARTBURN SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THIS ROLE ABOUT HOW THE MONEY WAS BEING ALLOCATED AND HOW DO YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS GROUP DESERVES THE HOTEL TAX, WHICH IS HEADS AND BEDS? AS COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND SO ELOQUENTLY PUT IT? AND THEN YOU HAVE TO ADD ON.

BUT ARE THEY GENERATING ENOUGH INTEREST AND BRINGING IN? ARE THEY EATING IN A RESTAURANT AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS? SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HAVE NEVER KNOWN, BUT THE STORY IS TELLING IS BRINGING ASSOCIATION IS BRINGING IN PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

AND SO I WOULD SAY THIS YEOMAN'S JOB, BUT ALSO IT NEED TO REALLY CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THIS, BECAUSE YOU ALL KNOW THAT IF YOU CONTINUE TO GIVE MONEY TO PEOPLE AND THEY GET USED TO GETTING IT, THEN IT STARTS TO LESSEN THEIR ABILITY TO WANT TO RAISE MONEY. AND SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE I THINK THEY'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO BALANCE THIS OUT.

AND CERTAINLY OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY IS MOST IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU SEE THE $52 MILLION OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT THEY'VE PUT INTO. AND AND WE BIA HICCUP THERE WITH OUR VETERANS BECAUSE OF NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE IT NEEDED TO BE. SO I DIDN'T WANT THAT TO GO UNNOTICED BECAUSE THEY HAD A REALLY TOUGH JOB THIS YEAR, AND THEY'VE TAKEN A LOT OF HEAT. AND I KNOW ALL OF YOU HAVE, AND I THINK IT'S JUST I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER WE SAID WE HAD TO UPDATE OUR FEES FOR POLICE AND FIRE AND OUR STAFF BECAUSE FOR YEARS WE WEREN'T CHARGING ENOUGH. WE WERE EATING THE COST OF THESE EVENTS THROUGH NOT APPROPRIATELY CHARGING. SO IT'S BEEN A TOUGH YEAR FOR EVERYBODY. AND THE RECOGNITION GOES TO ALL PEOPLE ALL THE WAY AROUND, INCLUDING STAFF WHO REALLY WORKED HARD TO TRY TO GET THIS INFORMATION OUT AND STILL OFFER

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TO ALL THESE ENTITIES. HOW CAN WE HELP YOU BETTER PROMOTE BETTER LOOK AT GETTING

SPONSORSHIPS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS? >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? SO MY MY REGULAR COMMENTS NOW I, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID. THAT'S THE INTERESTING THING. THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THAT YOU CAN'T DRAW A HARD LINE IN ONE AREA WITHOUT EXTENDING IT FORWARD, RIGHT? AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE I HAVE A HARD TIME. IT'S YOU CAN'T BE ABSOLUTE. IT'S HOW MANY HOTEL ROOMS, PERIOD. POINT BLANK. THAT'S IT. I'M NOT CONSIDERING IF IT DOESN'T MEET A THRESHOLD AND THEN NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE PEOPLE SAY THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE APPLICATION. IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE DO IT. SO IT'S THE FIRST TIME YOU CHANGE THE RULES AND IT'S THE ABSOLUTE FIRST TIME WE'RE GOING TO BE HEAVY HANDED. I JUST THOSE TWO DON'T GO TOGETHER. AND IF YOU DID NOT KNOW, I ENCOURAGE MY PEERS TO TAKE A LOOK AND THEN JUST KIND OF PAN OUT, LEAVE THESE SEATS AND PAN OUT AND EXPLAIN THIS TO THE AVERAGE JOE THAT'S WALKING AROUND DENTON. THE RULES CHANGE. THERE'S CONFUSION WITH THE RULES AND THE BENEFACTOR THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, PRIMARILY THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM. THE CITY OF DENTON FILLED OUT THEIR APPLICATION. NOW, WAIT A MINUTE. THAT THAT'S DIFFICULT TO RECONCILE. THAT'S HARD FOR ME TO EXPLAIN. THERE'S A STATEMENT MADE, AND THESE THESE ARE JUST LOGICAL LEAPS THAT AREN'T ACCURATE. AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO USE MY WORDS, BUT I NEED STAFF TO SAY SOMETHING. THE NUMBER OF TIMES IT'S BEEN SAID THAT THE AMBASSADORS ARE HERE TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS AND HELP WITH HOMELESSNESS. IS THAT A FACT?

>> I'M SORRY. WILL YOU. >> REPEAT THAT? THE AMBASSADORS, ONE OF THEIR ROLES IS TO HELP

WITH HOMELESSNESS? >> NO. >> THAT'S RIGHT. SO LIKE ONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE SAID, IT'S IMPORTANT TO CORRECT THOSE STRAIGHT AWAY VERSUS ALLOW

THOSE TO GO UNCHECKED. >> THEY'RE PROVIDING LIKE RESOURCE INFORMATION. HERE'S WHERE TO GO. WE COORDINATE WITH THEM AHEAD OF INCLEMENT WEATHER DAYS. TO SHARE THE INFORMATION,

GO TO FOR THE SQUARE. BUT THAT'S THE EXTENT. >> YEAH GREAT. NO NO THAT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL. AND SO I. I AGREE WITH THE NEED. BUT INSTEAD OF RENTING I THINK WE NEED TO PIVOT TO OWNERSHIP. SO WE THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION. STAFF PROVIDED IT'S LIKE $70,000. WE CAN HIRE SOMEONE. AND THEN IF YOU CAN, I KNOW THE ANSWER. BUT IF YOU CAN TELL ME, DO YOU KNOW THERE'S HOW MANY OFFICERS ARE ASSIGNED TO DOWNTOWN?

>> TWO. >> YES. SO TWO OFFICERS ARE ASSIGNED TO DOWNTOWN ALREADY.

SO ALL YOU NEED IS A PARKS PERSON THAT CAN THEN REPORT AND RADIO IN AND SAY, HEY, I NEED HELP, I NEED ASSISTANCE, AND YOU CAN HAVE THAT NETWORK. AND WE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR OTHER THINGS. AND, AND THAT'S OWNERSHIP. AND THAT TO ME, WE CAN GET ON BOARD WITH AND IT ACCOMPLISHES WHAT WE NEED. THEY CAN CLEAN, THEY CAN BE VISIBLE, THEY CAN DO ALL THOSE THINGS. THERE'S NO LIMIT TO LOCATION. YOU KNOW? HECK, IT EVEN FURTHERS MY ADVOCACY FOR FOR US TO HAVE GOLF CARTS. BUT THAT'S THAT'S NOT CONNECTED. BUT I JUST I JUST THINK THERE'S THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO ACCOMPLISH A GOAL. BUT WHEN I LOOK AT BECAUSE IF I JUST LOOK AT THIS LIST AND HARD LINE IT, I'LL POINT OUT AND IT IS A DIFFICULT JOB. SO I'M NOT I'M NOT TAKING ANY. I'M JUST SAYING I HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT TO PEOPLE. AND THEY HAD A DEAD FESTIVAL. I THINK YOU CAN YOU CAN DISAGREE. BUT I MY UNDERSTANDING WAS LAST YEAR THEY DID FESTIVAL ECONOMIC

IMPACT ON THE CITY OF DENTON WAS $16 MILLION. ONE WEEKEND. >> IT WAS THE THAT WAS THE OVERALL. OVERALL IMPACT OF THE 31 DAYS OF WHEN WE PRESENTED ABOUT HALLOWEEN IN GENERAL, IT

WAS A. >> 631 DIVIDED BY. NO. 16 DIVIDED BY 31 RIGHT OR OR FOUR.

LET'S SAY THERE'S FOUR WEEKS. YEAH. SO I MEAN, IT'S SIGNIFICANT. AND THEY TOOK A HAIRCUT AND NO ONE I MEAN IT THAT IS THE BIGGEST WHAT I'M ADVOCATING FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO COME TO DENTON. IT IS THE LAST SATURDAY IN OCTOBER. IT'S EASY TO TELL PEOPLE IT'S EASY.

IT'S CONSISTENT. AND SO AGAIN, I'M OKAY WITH THIS NUMBER. I'M JUST NOT OKAY WITH HARD LINES.

AND AT THIS PHASE, FIRST TIME OUT, THE CITY FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION. AND SO TO THAT END, I APPRECIATE THOSE THAT HAVE HAD SOME FLEXIBILITY. AND I TO THOSE THAT ARE ADAMANT THAT WE PROVIDE THE SERVICE, LET'S HIRE SOMEBODY AND OWN IT. BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND CRITICAL TO POINT OUT NO ONE'S POINTED IT OUT. THE CITY OF DENTON. WELL, FIRST, WELL, LET

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ME GO TO THE NUMBER, THE NUMBERS 700,000 A YEAR, $1.4 MILLION. WE'RE IN, LIKE THE

CITY OF DENTON, PROVIDED THE SERVICE FOR FREE FOR TWO YEARS. >> YES, FOR THE AMBASSADOR

PROGRAM. THE PILOT PROGRAM? YES. >> RIGHT. AND I WOULD HAZARD TO GUESS THERE'S MORE VACANCIES ON THE SQUARE PROPER RIGHT NOW THAN THERE WERE TWO YEARS AGO. LIKE, ANDY'S IS EMPTY. THE THE THE WHO ELSE IS IS NOW GONE. THERE MAY BE. YEAH. GNOME CONES IS GONE. THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S AND YOU GO FURTHER DOWN THE OTHER OTHER OAK AND HICKORY. THERE'S SOME LIKE PIZZA SNOB IS GONE. THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN SOME TRANSITION OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. AND SO THAT'S WHEN THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM WAS IN PLACE. SO IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE IN BUSINESS AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE. THERE'S THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT THAT KIND OF GUIDE GUIDE THOSE DECISIONS. AND AND SO IT'S ONLY BEEN TWO YEARS. AND SO PEOPLE LIVED IN THE SQUARE, THRIVED BEFORE THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM. AND SO FOR ME, IT'S IT'S NOT STOPPING THAT PROCESS TO ME. SO AND THEN I DO THERE'S A QUOTE HERE THAT YOU SAID, AND THIS IS NOTHING AGAINST YOU, BUT YOU SAID IT. SO I'M SORRY, BUT IT SAYS IT'S THE LOWEST LEVEL AND THAT'S THE NUMBERS WE PROVIDED. BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE

COST IS. >> THEY PROVIDED ESTIMATES AND THEIR ESTIMATE WAS IF WE REDUCE THE FOOTPRINT TO FIVE DAYS A WEEK, THAT WAS THE LOWEST OPTION. YES, I'M FINE WITH THAT

QUOTE. >> ARE YOU? >> BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT.

>> WE ASKED. WE GOT TO ADD EXTRA SERVICES. >> HAVE WE CONSIDERED THAT THE

EXTRA THAT'S THAT'S NOT BAKED IN THERE. WE DON'T KNOW. >> BECAUSE WE.

>> HAVEN'T NEGOTIATED THE CONTRACT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT AN ALLOCATED FUNDING. WE ASKED FOR COST ESTIMATE SO THAT THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP CAN MAKE SOME DECISIONS.

>> SO I THINK. >> JUST AND I'M NOT I'LL LEAVE IT THAT I JUST WOULD NOT SAY THAT. I WOULD NOT SAY IT'S THE LOWEST. I WOULD SAY THIS IS THE NUMBER WE HAVE TO WORK FROM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE SURROUNDING SUPPORTING DATA. AND NEVER WOULD I BE OKAY WITH VOTING YES FOR SOMETHING THAT I. I CAN'T READ IT. I CAN'T KNOW WHAT IT SAYS, I CAN'T. AND NOW WE NO ONE'S TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE SURVEYING PEOPLE. AND THEN HOW IS THAT GOING TO GO IF YOU'RE NERVOUS ABOUT BEING DOWNTOWN OR IF YOU'RE NOT WANTING TO ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE, YOU HAVE SOMEBODY IN A RED SHIRT COME UP TO YOU AND SAY, HEY, I GOT A SURVEY. LIKE THERE'S PEOPLE THAT DON'T EVEN GO UP TO THE, TO THE, TO THE BROWNIES AND TO THE BOY SCOUTS.

THEY'LL GO TO OTHER WAY. AND SO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HURTING BUSINESS? I MEAN, THOSE ARE THINGS WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT. NO ONE'S DOING THAT. YOU GO DOWN TO FORT WORTH, THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T INTERVIEWING YOU TO TRY TO COLLECT DATA, AND THAT'S GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE REAL NERVOUS. IT'S NOT GOING IT'S GOING TO HAVE THE OPPOSITE EFFECT. AND WE'VE NOT EVEN TALKED ABOUT THAT EFFECT. SO THERE'S JUST SO MUCH THAT'S NOT ESTABLISHED VERSUS JUST HIRE SOMEBODY. WE HAVE TWO POLICE OFFICERS THAT CAN AFFECT THE AND KEEP EVERYONE SAFE. IT WOULD ACTUALLY EXTEND TO THE TO THE TO THE PARKING LOTS AND AREAS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

SO I JUST THINK THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO TO GET TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE AND TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO. AND WE'VE LIVED HOWEVER MANY YEARS IN DENTON WITHOUT IT FOR TWO YEARS. AND UNDERSTAND THE PRIMARY BENEFACTORS DON'T EVEN SEE IT IN VALUE ENOUGH IN IT TO PAY FOR IT. THAT THAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT AN ASTOUNDING THING. WE ARE TAKING MORE OF AN INTEREST THAN THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE PROPERTY DOWN THERE. IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, IT IN WHAT WORLD IS THAT GOOD BUSINESS THAT JUST THAT AMAZES ME THAT THEY YES, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COME AND DO STUFF AT MY HOUSE FOR FREE, I'M IN. BUT IF I HAD TO PAY THEM, THEN YOU GOT TO THINK ABOUT IT. I JUST I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. SO MY MY DIRECTION REMAINS THE SAME. AND I EVERY TIME I HEAR SOMETHING ABOUT THE APPLICATION OR THE SCORING OR THE SAME PEOPLE JUST KEEP THIS IN MIND BECAUSE WE GOT TO EXPLAIN IT TO THE AVERAGE PERSON ON THE STREET, THE SAME PEOPLE THAT AND IT MAY NOT BE THE SAME PEOPLE, BUT THE SAME ENTITY THAT FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION FOR THE AMBASSADORS SET THE RANKINGS.

>> IT'S NOT ACCURATE. NO, NO, THE STAFF THAT SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION WERE NOT INVOLVED

WITH THE SCORING, BUT. >> WALK ME THROUGH THAT. WHAT'S WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE WHAT'S

THE FIREWALL PROTECTING THAT THAT CONVERSATION. >> IT HAPPENED IN TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. THERE'S NO CONVERSATION I MEAN, COMMUNITY SERVICES FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION FOR THE PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY'RE MANAGING THE BLOCK BY BLOCK CONTRACT. AND THEN SEPARATELY, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, INDEPENDENTLY OF ANY DEPARTMENT, CONDUCTED THOSE REVIEWS AND SCORING OF THE RUBRICS.

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>> BUT IT'S A NEW IT'S A NEW POLICY. YES. RIGHT. SO DID THE DID DID EITHER ENTITY FINANCE OR THE COMMUNITY SERVICES GET UPDATED ON THE NEW POLICY AND WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED TRAINING DISCUSSION. HEY, WE'RE CHANGING THE MATRIX. ANY OF THOSE THINGS.

>> NO, I MEAN THEY WOULD HAVE HAVE BEEN PRIVY TO THE SAME INFORMATION. I MEAN, IT WAS MORE SO LIKE THEY FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION AFTER THE COUNCIL DIRECTION TO LOOK AT IT.

BUT I RECOGNIZE YOUR POINT. >> YEAH. BUT LET ME ASK YOU THIS. WHAT, THEY HAVE MORE

INFORMATION THAN THE BLACK FILM FESTIVAL? >> POTENTIALLY.

>> YEAH. >> AND I GOT TO EXPLAIN THAT. I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE TRUE. I'M JUST SAYING IT, I GOT IT. I HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT TO PEOPLE THAT. NO, NO, IT NOTHING TO SEE HERE. AND THAT'S DIFFICULT. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING BECAUSE I HAVE I'M JUST FINDING THIS OUT LIKE THIS. I GOT THAT I GOT THE APPLICATION YESTERDAY.

>> WE PROVIDED YOU A COPY YESTERDAY. >> YEAH. SO IT'S JUST SO AGAIN I'M ALL FOR IT. JUST NOT IN THE VEHICLE THAT, THAT THAT IS CURRENTLY SUBSCRIBED. AND I CERTAINLY NEED I CAN'T SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT I DON'T HAVE THE THERE'S NO CONTRACT. THERE'S PRICING THAT'S GENERAL. I JUST I CAN'T BELIEVE IN A WORLD WHERE THE BUSINESS, THE BUSINESS, THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE THE SAME ON A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY. FRIDAY THEY MAY I AND THEN WE DON'T KNOW. WE'RE GETTING PRICING FROM AN ENTITY AND THEN IT HAS TO DOES IT HAVE

TO GO OUT FOR BID. >> WE CAN. YEAH. AN RFP IS AN OPTION. WE WORK THROUGH PROCUREMENT. I MEAN AN AMENDMENT COULD BE AN RFP COULD BE AN OPTION. WE HAVE NOT EVEN STARTED THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS. IF IT DOESN'T MAKE ITS WAY INTO THE.

>> BUDGET, I WOULD SAY THE ANSWER IS YES. THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK INTO OPPORTUNITIES AND THE STAFF DID. AND YEAH, THE STAFF MEMBER FILLED OUT THE THE FORM TO SUBMIT IT TO SEE WHAT KIND OF FUNDING WOULD BE AVAILABLE. STILL NOT KNOWING ABOUT ALL THE INTRICACIES THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED WITH THIS KIND OF PROGRAM BEING FUNDED THROUGH HOT FUNDS. BUT THE BIGGER PICTURE IS IF IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, NO MATTER WHAT FUNDING IS ALLOWED, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN RFI OR AN RFP TO FIND OUT WHAT WHAT COULD BE FUNDED AND WHAT COST. MEANING, OKAY, IF WE ONLY WANT TO DO THREE DAYS, WHAT WOULD THAT COST BE? IF WE WANTED TO DO FIVE DAYS, WHAT COST WOULD THAT BE? HERE'S THE HOURS WE WOULD DO FOR THREE DAYS. HERE'S THE HOURS WE DO FOR FOUR DAYS SO THAT THE WHOEVER WOULD BID ON IT. AND ACTUALLY, IT MAY NOT BE THE SAME ENTITY THAT WE WOULD GET IF WE OPENED IT UP, WHICH I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND WE DO, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION. I DO WANT TO SAY THIS, THOUGH, I DON'T THINK IN DEFENSE OF STAFF IN 2018, STAFF WERE FILLING OUT SOME FORMS FOR CITY. FOR CITY.

INTEREST IN GETTING HOT FUNDS. WE DO THAT WITH CVB FILLS OUT FORMS TO GET THEIR HOT FUNDS.

DISCOVER DENTON RIGHT THERE. SO THERE WAS AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT MEANING THAT, BUT I WANTED I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF WAS TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY SAYING, HERE'S SOME POTENTIAL COST, BUT THOSE ARE NOT REAL COSTS UNTIL WE KNOW FOR SURE WHAT, IF ANY, WOULD EVEN BE FUNDED. SO IT WAS MORE OF A HERE'S WHAT IF IF WE CAME ACROSS LIKE, OH, THIS IS THE ACTUAL ANSWER, THIS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST. THAT'S THAT WASN'T THE INTENT. THE INTENT IS THIS IS AN APPROXIMATE AND THIS IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE SQUARE. WE'D HAVE TO GET REALLY DETAILED ABOUT WHAT WE WANTED AND WHAT HOURS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT IT WOULD COST 300,000. IT COULD BE LESS, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEBODY ELSE WERE TO DO IT. BUT I GET YOUR POINT. ABOUT 70,000 AND ONLY HAVING ONE PERSON. I'M ALL FOR

THAT. >> YEAH. NO. YEAH. I MEAN AND YOU'RE VERY GOOD POINTS AND I AND I DON'T AND I CERTAINLY ALIGN WITH THOSE THINGS I JUST. I JUST WANT TO AVOID THE AGAIN APPEARANCE OF, YOU KNOW, THIS THING. AND SO THAT THAT ALL GREAT CLARIFICATION I ACCEPT ALL THOSE THINGS IS TRUE. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S IT'S DIFFICULT FROM AN OPTICS PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST DON'T TRACK ALONG.

YOU. AND I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT SOMETIMES PEOPLE CONFLATE THINGS. SO OKAY. AND THEN LASTLY I'LL JUST SAY THIS. THERE'S SOME FOLKS ON HERE AND I DON'T WANT TO POINT THEM OUT, BUT THAT SUPPORT HOTELS THAT DON'T EVEN PAY IN THE HOT, HOT FUNDS RIGHT THERE BECAUSE THE HOTELS DON'T, DON'T, DON'T PAY IN. AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S WEBSITES AND THEY'LL SAY, HEY, COME TO THIS EVENT AND GO TO THIS HOTEL. AND THOSE HOTELS AREN'T HOT FUND ELIGIBLE TO TO PAY IN NOT NOT A REQUIREMENT. BUT I'M JUST SAYING AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT GOES INTO IT AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS, I JUST THERE'S JUST NOT A BRIGHT LINE. IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE. AND

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IF WE IF WE TAKE THAT APPROACH OF A SUBJECTIVE, HEY, LET'S LET'S SEE IF WE CAN MAKE EVERYBODY BRING EVERYBODY, HELP EVERYBODY INTO MALONE GRADUALLY CHANGE VERSUS FROM 300,000 TO 0 THOSE. I THINK THAT'S JUST A BETTER PARTNERSHIP, BETTER ALIGNED APPROACH TO MOVING TOWARDS BEING MORE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH WITH THESE DOLLARS. AND SO THAT THAT'S MY THOUGHT. I MEAN, SO MY RECAP ON THE CHANGE AND THEN THE FLOOR IS OPEN IS SO OBVIOUSLY I LAID OUT WHAT I THOUGHT. AND THEN IN RESPONSE TO THAT, COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER WAS OKAY WITH THE COUNTY, BUT THEN WANTED TO LOOK AT HOLIDAY LIGHTING AND ARTS AND JAZZ AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER BECK WAS WANTING TO HOLD IT IN CONTINGENCY AND DO MORE STUDIES AND LOOK AT MORE DATA. AND THEN MAYOR PRO TEM WAS OKAY WITH THE COUNTY AND DOG DAYS AND MORE OF A HOLD ON THE REMAINING FUNDS.

NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THE TEXAS VETERANS, ETC. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY RECAP OF ANYONE ELSE.

REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FOUR. >> AS AN ANIMAL LOVER, I'M GOING TO QUIT BEATING THIS DEAD HORSE. BUT AND I LOVE THE IDEA ABOUT MORE POLICE AND PARK EMPLOYEES ON THE SQUARE. I THINK THAT'S A FANTASTIC IDEA, BUT THAT COMES OUT OF GENERAL FUNDS, AND I WAS TRYING TO KEEP THIS OUT OF GENERAL FUNDS WHERE THE TAXPAYER DIDN'T HAVE TO FOOT THE BILL, AND, AND THE AND THE MERCHANTS AROUND THE SQUARE DIDN'T HAVE TO FOOT THE BILL. THAT WAS MY POINT THERE. AS FAR AS PARING THIS THING BACK, WE CAN PARE IT BACK ENOUGH THAT IT'S GUARANTEED TO FAIL. YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE SOMEBODY OUT THERE ONE DAY A WEEK FOR 30 MINUTES. BY GOLLY, IT'LL FAIL.

I PROMISE IT WILL. SO. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU START PARING THIS THING BACK. AND AND THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO SAY, THE H IN HOT STANDS FOR HOTEL, PERIOD. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. >> I. YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONSIDERATION TAKEN IN JUST EVEN ASKING THE QUESTION, HOW CAN WE KEEP THIS GOING? BUT IF WE REALLY WANT TO DO THIS AND WE REALLY WANT TO SEE AND SEE WHAT WHAT THE CONVERSATION IS GOING TO BE NEXT YEAR IF WE PULL THOSE AMBASSADORS OFF THE SQUARE, BECAUSE THAT WAS ANOTHER, WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LIFE BEFORE THEY GOT THERE. THAT'S WHY THEY ENDED UP THERE. THEN WE'LL WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SEE THAT CONVERSATION. I'LL STILL BE HERE UNTIL 27, AND I'LL BE INTERESTED TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON DOWNTOWN. WE ARE STILL VERY HIGH NUMBER. I DON'T WANT TO JUST TAG THIS TO HOMELESSNESS, BUT IT IS A CONSIDERATION, AND I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY IS USED TO SEEING OUR OUR RED VEST DOWNTOWN. THEY FEEL SECURE. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, THIS IS HOTEL. OUR HOTELIERS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB IN IN HOSTING PEOPLE. I, I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYBODY ELSE LOSE ANYTHING. MY JOB IS I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT THAT I YOU KNOW, WE DID THIS IN IN A WAY THAT WE WERE JUST, YOU KNOW, GIDDY ABOUT IT. IT WAS VERY HARD. SO WE JUST WANT TO PUT THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE ONES THAT DIDN'T GET WHAT THEY FELT LIKE THEY NEEDED, OR THEY WANTED, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO STICK TO MY GUNS ON THAT. I THINK IT'S JUST FAIR. I THINK IT'S FAIR FOR AND I THINK THERE WAS A TELL ME, THERE WAS A SURVEY OF THE THE BUSINESSES AROUND THE SQUARE. I THINK I KIND OF MAYBE MISSTATED OR MIS IT WAS MISUNDERSTOOD THE LAST TIME I WAS SPEAKING IN REGARDS TO THEM NOT BEING ABLE TO DO IT FINANCIALLY OR NOT WANTING TO DO IT. AND SO THAT HAD TO MOVE SOMEWHERE. I DON'T KNOW, I'M OKAY WITH IT, US JUST NOT DOING IT. I'LL SAY THAT IF WE NEED TO GO ON RECORD, YEAH, LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND JUST DISMISS.

LET'S TAKE THE THE AMBASSADORS OUT OF THE EQUATION, BECAUSE I WANT TO HEAR WHAT WE'RE GOING

TO BE SAYING NEXT YEAR. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? >> SORRY, JOE.

>> SO I FORWARD LOOKING. CAN WE COME BACK AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON. HOW THIS IS ALLOCATED BECAUSE. ULTIMATELY WE CAN HAVE A BOTTOM LINE NUMBER THAT'S HOT FUNDS THAT

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ARE SPENT. AND THEN AND THEN AND ALL OF IT. I HADN'T HEARD ANY DISAGREEMENT OTHER THAN THE 300,000. SO IT CAN SIT IN CONTINGENCY TO COUNCILMEMBER BECK'S POINT. AND THAT CAN BE

WE CAN HAVE KIND OF A DISCUSSION AROUND THAT. >> IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, WE NEED TO HAVE IT NEXT TUESDAY. WE'LL IT WILL HAVE TO BE WE'LL HAVE A WORK SESSION LOOKING AT CASSEY TO MAKE SURE THAT'S OKAY. THE BOTTOM LINE NUMBER, IF WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT STAYS THE SAME, THAT 4.9 I THINK WAS THE EXPENDITURE AMOUNT. IF WE'RE SAYING THE 4.9 AND THEN WE WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON HOW WE'RE ALLOCATING WITHIN REMOVING THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM, FUNDING THE COUNTY AT 200,000, AND THEN WHAT TO DO WITH THE

ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT COULD EASILY BE DONE NEXT TUESDAY? >> YEAH, LET'S LET'S DO THAT.

SO THAT AND SO PEOPLE CAN ASK THEIR QUESTIONS, DO ALL THE THINGS. AND SO IN THAT SPIRIT OF FOR FOR FUTURE CONVERSATIONS. I DON'T WANT TO PUT I'M TRYING TO KEEP STAFF OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF IT. I'VE HEARD THAT THE HOTEL THING ENOUGH AD NAUSEAM. I GET IT. BUT I. I GUESS JUST SEND ME THE RECENTLY, SEND ME THE INFORMATION ON HOW THAT'S HOW THE DIRECTION WAS GIVEN.

HOW DO YOU EQUATE THAT? AND THEN LET ME START THERE. LET ME, LET ME LEVEL SET ON WHAT WHAT THE KIND OF PARAMETERS ARE AROUND THAT. AND THEN I'LL, I'LL EMAIL QUESTIONS. ANYONE ELSE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THAT FOR FUTURE CONVERSATION NEXT WEEK ON THIS TOPIC THAT THAT

WOULD BE HELPFUL. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT SIX. >> SORRY, I'LL TRY TO GO REAL QUICK. I'VE HAD SEVERAL COMMENTS ASKING ABOUT WHAT ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN TOURS, PAYING FOR IT FROM MY UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD NECESSITATE SOME CHANGES IN THAT BOARD IS NOT INTERESTED, BUT I JUST WANTED TO. IF YOU COULD SEND US WHAT WOULD BE NECESSARY IN ORDER TO ALLOW THAT. OKAY. I THINK IT'S INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD LIKE

TO HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> YEAH. WE QUICKLY LOOKED AT IT AND I THINK IT WAS THE PROGRAM THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE FUNDING DOESN'T CURRENTLY INCLUDE IT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN

IT CAN'T BE MODIFIED. IT COULD HAPPEN. >> JUST I'D LIKE TO KNOW SOME

OPTIONS, EVEN IF IT'S A SLIM CHANCE. THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

TWO. >> YEAH. JUST REAL REAL BRIEFLY. THE CHRISTINE AND THE REST OF FINANCE REPORTED TO THE TERS. AND I'M ON THE DOWNTOWN TOURS AND AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE INFORMATION YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE COUNCILOR JESTER AND THE REST OF US, BECAUSE THAT WHAT WE WERE TOLD LAST MEETING WAS THAT THE PROGRAM WAS IT'S THIS AMBASSADORS PROGRAM WAS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PUT INTO TERS. SO IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, I'LL CHECK THAT. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE

HEARD LAST. >> TIME I WAS SAYING WHEN THEY BECAUSE WE JUST DID THE BOUNDARY EXPANSION, WE HAD A FINANCING PLAN AND PROJECT PLAN AND IT WASN'T CURRENTLY PART OF THAT. BUT WE'LL FOLLOW UP TO SEE IF THAT'S A CHANGE. IF A CHANGE WAS MADE, COULD IT BE

ELIGIBLE? >> OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER INFORMATION BE BE GOOD TO

HAVE. >> MAYOR CAN I CAN I RECAP WHAT I HEARD. YES. JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S CLEAR. SO THE TOTAL INCLUDED IN THE FY 26 BUDGET COUNCIL WILL ADOPT THE TOTAL BOTTOM LINE OF EACH FUND. SO THE WHAT IS THE TOTAL TOTAL FUND?

>> I THINK IT'S 4.9. >> 4.9 MILLION FOR THE HOT FUNDS. NEXT WEEK WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION ON HOW EXACTLY THAT IS ALLOCATED. HOWEVER, IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET WILL PUT THE $300,000 PROGRAM FOR AMBASSADOR FUND AMBASSADOR PROGRAM INTO A CONTINGENCY THAT WE WILL DISCUSS NEXT WEEK. BUT IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THE BUDGET ADOPTION DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK AS WELL, WE'LL WE'LL FOCUS ON THAT TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT IN THE FUND. SO THE 4.9 MILLION.

>> SORRY CASSEY. IT'S IT'S RIGHT AT 5 MILLION. >> SO 5 MILLION.

>> MY ONLY ADDITION TO THAT IS I WOULD THE THERE'S AN EXISTING 167,000 CONTINGENCY.

>> I THINK 130, 130. >> WHATEVER THAT IS. >> IT'S BOTH.

>> OF THOSE. >> YEAH. >> THAT'S IN THE TOTAL. SO YOUR DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND THROUGH CONSENSUS ALLOCATE THAT YOU

CERTAINLY CAN OKAY. >> YEAH. THEN YES WHAT YOU SAID IS ACCURATE OKAY. VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE ONE MORE WORK SESSION I THANK YOU. VERY WELL. VERY GOOD JOB. SO WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM AND THEN THIS IS A SPECIAL CALL MEETING. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME DINNER GETS HERE BUT WE'LL END. IF DINNER'S NOT HERE WE'LL GO TO THE DAIS. TAKE UP. CONSENT AND THEN WE'LL TAKE UP INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. WE'LL HAVE A BREAK IN THERE SOMEWHERE. AND

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THEN, BECAUSE WE CAN'T TAKE UP PUBLIC HEARINGS TILL 630. SO WE'LL WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN UNTIL EITHER DINNER OR WE GET TO AN IMPASSE ON, ON HOW FAR WE CAN GO IN THE AGENDA. BUT WE

[D. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on pending City Council requests for: 1) Uniformity of board and commission member terms [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

HAVE A TWO MINUTE PITCH AND THAT IS ITEM D I'D 25033 RECEIVE, REPORT, DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON PENDING CITY COUNCIL REQUESTS. AND THIS IS UNIFORMITY ON BOARD AND

COMMISSION MEMBER TERMS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR AND COUNCIL CHRISTY FOGLE, CHIEF OF STAFF HERE TO PRESENT TODAY'S TWO MINUTE PITCH. AS A REMINDER, THE REQUESTING COUNCIL MEMBER WILL HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES TO DESCRIBE AND JUSTIFY THEIR REQUEST. REMAINING COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL HAVE A MAXIMUM OF ONE MINUTE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND INDICATE THEIR SUPPORT, AND THEN STAFF WILL RESPOND TO ALL REQUESTS FOR A CONSENSUS OF AT LEAST FOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS IS OFFICIALLY ESTABLISHED, AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN INDICATE A PRIORITY OF HIGH, MODERATE OR LOW IN THEIR DIRECTION TO COUNCIL. AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO

THE MAYOR TO FACILITATE THE PROCESS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO, COUNCILMAN JESTER, YOU HAD THE FLOOR TO AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.

>> YEP. >> ALL RIGHT. >> WITH THIS PITCH, I WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE EFFICIENCY AND ENGAGEMENT IN THE CITY OF DENTON. WE LOOKED AT THIS IN JANUARY OF 2025, AND WE WERE GIVEN INFORMATION REGARDING ISSUES WITH SOME OF OUR VOLUNTEER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, OF WHICH THERE ARE 26, AND IN 2024 HAD 190 MEETINGS AND 221 MEMBERS. THOSE ISSUES INCLUDED QUORUMS, VACANCIES AND THE NOMINATION PROCESS. AT THAT TIME, WITH THE CITY SECRETARIES ASSISTANCE, WE WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE COMMUNITY SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE BY DECREASING THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS REQUIRED, AND WE DISBANDED THE INTERNAL AUDIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. HOWEVER, THERE WERE OTHER COMMITTEES THAT WERE NOTED THAT HAD TO HAVE SEVERAL CANCELLATIONS, THAT HAVE HAD OTHER QUORUM ISSUES THAT WERE NOT MENTIONED AND HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. MY IDEA IS I WOULD LIKE TO NOT ONLY CONFORM SOME OF THE UNIFORMITY OF THE WORK, BUT TO STREAMLINE THE NOMINATION PROCESS. SO RIGHT NOW, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT, WITH QUORUM ISSUES, THE FREQUENCY OF MEETINGS. I DON'T THINK ALL OF THE BOARDS THAT WE HAVE NECESSARILY NEED TO MEET EVERY MONTH. SOMETIMES THERE'S ONE ITEM OR 1 OR 2 ITEMS ON THE AGENDA WITH VACANCIES, WITH NEW MEMBERS. WE HAVE CURRENT CITIZENS THAT ARE SERVING TWO AND THREE DIFFERENT BOARDS, AND NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT THERE ARE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE AFFIRMATIVELY OUT THERE TRYING TO RECRUIT PROACTIVELY, DOING LIKE A GAME OF LIFE WHERE YOU'VE GOT DIFFERENT TABLES AND THE CITIES ARE INVITED, AND THE CITY AND THE TABLES HAVE DIFFERENT MEMBERS FROM EACH OF THE BOARDS AND THE STAFF LIAISON TO TALK ABOUT IT. THE NOMINATION PROCESS IS SO CUMBERSOME RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE SEPARATE PDFS AND WE DON'T KNOW, AND WE HAVE TO LOOK UP OURSELVES AT ARE THEY CURRENTLY ON ANOTHER BOARD? ARE THEY APPLYING FOR MULTIPLE BOARDS? ARE WE MISSING ON THAT BOARD? SPECIAL QUALIFICATIONS SUCH AS IS ARE THEY A VET? DO THEY LIVE IN THE ETJ. ARE THEY ASSOCIATED WITH CONSTRUCTION? THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF BOARDS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT OUR FINGERTIPS. THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME KIND OF SOFTWARE OR SOMETHING OUT THERE WHERE PEOPLE APPLY ELECTRONICALLY, AND IT POPULATES A SPREADSHEET SO THAT WE'RE NOT ALSO CREATING OURSELVES. IT WILL ALSO HELP US NOT TO HAVE SO MANY VACANCIES, BECAUSE I GOOGLE PEOPLE AND TRY TO FIND THE APPROPRIATE PERSON FOR THE APPROPRIATE JOB, AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT SECTION ON THE APPLICATION TO TELL US WHY THEY'RE APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. >> THERE'S MORE. IF SOMEONE

WANTS TO GIVE ME THEIR TIME. OKAY. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

TWO. >> I'M GOING TO KEEP WITH MY PRACTICE OF OF SUPPORTING ALL

PITCHES TO. COUNCIL BECAUSE THEY ALL. >> GO FROM COUNCIL PERSON.

>> THEY ALL GO TO INFORMAL STAFF REPORT. SO I LOOK FORWARD. I ESPECIALLY SUPPORT THAT THE PIECE. THERE WAS A LOT OF PIECES IN THERE THAT I HEARD. WE'LL SEE WHAT STAFF COME BACK TO US WITH, BUT I ESPECIALLY SUPPORT THE PIECE OF GETTING THE NOMINATION PROCESS IN AND OUT OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, BECAUSE COUNCILOR JESTER AND I RAN INTO AN ISSUE OURSELVES AS WE EXCHANGED POSITIONS, AND THAT WAS WEIRD. SO I SUPPORT THAT.

>> OKAY. >> ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FOUR.

>> THANK YOU. I TO SUPPORT THE THE POSITION AND I'M WONDERING IF THE MOVEMENT WOULD WOULD LIKE TO ELIMINATE OR CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THESE BOARDS. AND I'M NOT POSITIVE THAT'S APPROPRIATE. BUT BUT I, I THINK WE COULD ELIMINATE OR CONSOLIDATE AND OR CONSOLIDATE.

THANK YOU. >> YEAH I'D LIKE A HOLISTIC VIEW.

>> SORRY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD. >> I'LL SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR PRO TEM. >> I'LL SUPPORT AS WELL.

>> OKAY. >> YEAH. NO, I, I'M A I'M A YEAH I'M GOOD I THINK IT'S A

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GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YEAH I'D LIKE TO ACCEPT THIS.

>> SO THE I JUST THOUGHT A FOOD ROLL IN ON A CART. SO WHY DON'T WE TRANSITION TO THE DAIS. AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE'LL BE ON A BREAK TILL IT'S 430, LET'S SAY 440. THAT'S. YEAH. SO 440 WILL BE AT THE DAIS, AND HOPEFULLY THAT'LL GIVE US TIME TO GRAB FOOD AND EAT. AND IF NOT, WE'LL

ADJUST ACCORDINGLY. >> TEN MINUTES. >> NO. OH I'M SORRY. I'M LOOKING AT I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. 431 FOUR 4050 I'M SORRY. THERE YOU GO. THAT THAT'S ALL. I WAS LOOKING AT THE TEN AND SAID 48. EIGHT IS EIGHT IS 40, TEN IS 50. SO 50.

[1. CONSENT AGENDA]

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract and lease agreement with Mayhill Renewables, LLC, to design, fabricate, construct, commission, and operate a Renewable Natural Gas (RNG) Facility to treat landfill and digester gas at the City of Denton Landfill for the Solid Waste and Water Utilities Departments; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFP 8465 – awarded to Mayhill Renewables, LLC, for a primary construction phase and twenty (20) year term). The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (5 - 0).]

I APPRECIATE THEM BEING PRESENT. THEY WILL TAKE OVER THE ESSENTIALLY THE OPERATION OF

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OUR LANDFILL GAS COLLECTION SYSTEM, WHICH CURRENTLY HAS 139 ACTIVE WELLS. AND THEN THEY WILL TAKE THAT ITEMS THAT ARE BEING DIVERTED AND PUSH IT INTO THEIR SYSTEM. SO IN 20 IN MAY OF 2024, WE ISSUED THAT RFP. IN AUGUST, WE CAME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT WE SELECTED MOREAU ENERGY, DOING BUSINESS AS MAYHILL RENEWABLES. AGAIN, THEY WILL ASSUME OPERATION OF THAT WELL FIELD OPERATIONS. THEY WILL LIKELY EXPAND THE SYSTEM BECAUSE THEIR GOAL IS TO GET AS MUCH GAS OUT OF THAT LANDFILL AS POSSIBLE, IMPROVE THE OVERALL GAS COLLECTION, AND THEN CLEAN AND COMPRESS THAT AND PUT IT INTO THE PIPELINE, SELL IT ON THE OPEN MARKET. SO WITH THAT VERY BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF THE PROJECT, WE ARE ASKING FOR COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE BOTH A LEASE AGREEMENT AND A GAS RIGHTS AGREEMENT WITH MOREAU ENERGY. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

TWO. >> THANK YOU. BRANDON I KNOW. WELL, I DON'T KNOW. THIS IS A QUESTION. I HAD HEARD THAT THERE WAS SOME BENEFICIAL REUSE OF OUR OWN LANDFILL GAS FOR OTHER CITY PURPOSES. WILL THE ENTIRETY OF WHAT'S COLLECTED GO TOMORROW FOR PROCESSING OR OR

AND OR DO WE ACTUALLY USE OUR GAS IN ANY WAY? >> WE DO NOT USE OUR GAS IN ANY

WAY. EVERYTHING THAT WE CAPTURE, WE FLARE OFF. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU,

MISTER MAYOR. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR FOR STAFF. I'LL JUST SAY IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE THE THE THE NAMES, BUT CAN YOU, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS? BECAUSE

I THINK YOU'D SAY 2004, IT STARTED KIND OF. >> 2024 IS WHEN WE STARTED THIS

PROJECT. I'M SORRY RFP. >> YEAH. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH NUMBERS.

>> IT WAS SLOW, BUT IT WASN'T THAT SLOW. >> RIGHT. SO, SO BUT IN THAT PROCESS, WAS THAT WAS THERE A PAUSE THERE, OR IS JUST EVALUATING.

>> OR JUST TAKING A MINUTE TO GET THIS ONE. >> OVER THE FINISH LINE. SO WE HAD SOME STAFFING CHANGES AND SOME HANDOFF OF RESPONSIBILITIES AMONGST SOME OF THE LEADERSHIP IN THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT. AND THEN WHEN I ARRIVED IN FEBRUARY, IT WAS DROPPED IN MY LAP. AND SO I'M HAPPY TO SAY WE PUSHED IT OVER THE FINISH LINE TO GET THIS DONE. OKAY. SO IT WAS REALLY JUST REALLY FINDING SOMEBODY TO KIND OF TAKE THE BALL AND RUN WITH IT. WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF PEOPLE TRYING TO TRYING TO NEGOTIATE AND THAT'S REALLY

HARD TO DO. >> GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE.

>> DID YOU SAY HOW LONG WILL WE RECOGNIZE THE REVENUE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS? DID I HEAR

THAT? >> WELL, WE'VE GOT A 20 YEAR AGREEMENT, SO WE'LL RECOGNIZE THE REVENUE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF OF THE AGREEMENT. IT IS LIKELY THAT WE WON'T SEE ANY REVENUE FOR ANOTHER 12 MONTHS OR SO. OKAY. ONCE WE GET THEM STARTED, IT'LL TAKE THEM SEVERAL MONTHS TO GET THE FACILITY BUILT AND CONSTRUCTED AND ACTUALLY START PRODUCING

THEIR THEIR CLEAN PIPELINE QUALITY GAS. >> SO HAVE WE SAID A AN EXPECTATION OR WE RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST IN THE MODE OF GETTING WHAT WE GET AND WE

DON'T THROW A FIT. WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? >> WE HAVE, WELL, ANY BENEFITS MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW. BUT WE DO HAVE A SCHEDULE OF ROYALTIES THAT WE WILL RECEIVE. SO IT'S A SLIDING SCALE, STARTS AT A MINIMUM OF 15%, GOES UP TO 27%. SO THE 15% IS BASED ON UP TO THEM RECEIVING $500,000 A MONTH IN ROYALTIES. WE WILL GET 15% OF THAT. AND THEN AS THEIR REVENUES GO UP. SO ONCE THEIR REVENUES EXCEED OVER $1 MILLION, WE WILL BE GETTING 27%. SO 75,000 MINIMUM TO BEGIN WITH. ONCE WE START GETTING THOSE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, OF THAT MAXIMUM NUMBER. SO A MAXIMUM AT THAT LOW LEVEL IF YOU WILL, 270

ON A MINIMUM OF THE HIGH LEVEL, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> SURE. DOES THIS FUNDING STAY WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT OR DOES THIS GO IN ON EM OR WHERE DOES THIS

FUNDING GO. >> IT WILL STAY IN THE SOLID WASTE FUND, AND IT WILL BE RECOGNIZED AS A SEPARATE LINE ITEM IN OUR BUDGET. AND THEN WE'LL USE THAT MONEY BACK FOR

ADDITIONAL CAPITAL FUNDS GOING FORWARD. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> WELCOME. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. REPRESENTATIVE

FROM DISTRICT SIX. >> COUNCILPERSON JESTER. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GETTING THIS ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. IT IS A WIN WIN. AND I'M VERY EXCITED.

THANK YOU. AND I'M PLEASED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM. >> I'D LIKE TO ECHO THAT. I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE US NOT JUST WASTING SOMETHING THAT WE COULD BE GETTING MONEY OFF OF, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, REDUCING OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT AS WELL. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO NUDGE IT OVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU DID TO TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT. AND SO I'D LIKE TO SECOND.

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>> OKAY, ANYTHING FROM THE GROUP, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD OR SHARE WHILE YOU'RE WHILE

YOU'RE HERE. >> LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE CITY. REALLY GRATEFUL

FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THEN I'M GOING TO COME DOWN BEFORE WE VOTE. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND IN THIS DISCUSSION. BUT WE DON'T KNOW

HOW THIS VOTE GOES. I'M GOING TO MAKE A HAPPY COMMENT. >> YOU NEVER KNOW.

>> SO WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE YOUR FIRST TIME TO PRESENT TO US. WE'RE SO HONORED TO HAVE YOU.

AND SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO ELEPHANT TO REMEMBER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> APPRECIATE. >> OH THANK YOU. HERE WE GO. >> THE EMBARRASSING PART.

>> YEAH. >> ALL RIGHT. >> EXCELLENT.

>> THANK YOU. >> VERY MUCH. >> AND. SORRY. WHAT'S GOING TO

HAPPEN. >> RIGHT. WE CAN VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

>> JUST DIDN'T COUNT. >> AND THAT PASSES SIX ZERO. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. GOOD

[B. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton nominating members to the Board of Directors of the Denton Central Appraisal District; and providing an effective date.]

LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. THAT TAKES US TO. ITEM B WHICH IS ID 251520.

CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON NOMINATING MEMBERS TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE DENTON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

>> MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL MATT HAMILTON OF FINANCE, HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE DENTON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT, OR DCAD BOARD OF DIRECTORS NOMINATIONS. SO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. IS A GROUP WITH THE DENTON COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT, THE LOCAL PROPERTY TAX SYSTEM HIRES. I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME. THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS HIRES THE CHIEF APPRAISER AND SETS THE BUDGET. THE DIRECTORS HAVE NO NO AUTHORITY TO SET VALUES OR APPRAISAL METHODS. THE CHIEF APPRAISER CARRIES OUT THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT'S LEGAL DUTIES, HIRES STAFF, MAKES APPRAISALS, AND OPERATES THE APPRAISAL STAFF. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THIS IS THE CURRENT BOARD OF DIRECTORS. SO TWO OF THE. PLACES THEIR TERMS WILL EXPIRE ON DECEMBER 31ST. THE BOARD MEMBERS SERVE STAGGERED FOUR YEAR TERMS. THE BOARD IS COMPRISED OF A NINE MEMBER BOARD, WITH FIVE APPOINTED BY THE TAXING JURISDICTIONS, ONE BEING THE COUNTY ASSESSOR AND THREE PUBLICLY ELECTED MEMBERS.

PLACES FOUR AND SEVEN. THEIR TERMS WILL EXPIRE ON DECEMBER 31ST, AND THE CITY COUNCIL MAY NOMINATE UP TO TWO NOMINEES TO FILL THESE PLACES, THE ELIGIBILITY. THEY MUST RESIDE IN THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING THE DATE THEY TAKE OFFICE. THE CITY OR CITY ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE. EMPLOYEES OF A TAXING UNIT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE UNLESS THEY ARE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AS WELL, AND IF ANY PERSON IS CLOSELY RELATED TO ANYONE IN THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT OR RELATED TO ANYONE WHO REPRESENTS OWNERS IN THE DISTRICT, OR IF THE PERSON HAS AN INTEREST IN A BUSINESS THAT CONTRACTS WITH THE DISTRICT OR TAXING UNIT, THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE. SO TO SUMMARIZE THE NOMINATION PROCESS PRIOR TO OCTOBER 1ST, THE DCAD NOTIFIES TAXING ENTITIES OF THE NUMBER OF VOTES THEY'RE ENTITLED TO CAST FOR APPOINTING BOARD MEMBERS. WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE THAT TOTAL. THE DCAD IS CALCULATING THAT TOTAL, BUT WE WILL BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL ONCE WE HAVE THAT PRIOR TO OCTOBER 15TH. THE NOMINATIONS ARE SUBMITTED TO DCAD BY EACH JURISDICTION, AND EACH JURISDICTION CAN NOMINATE UP TO TWO CANDIDATES PRIOR TO OCTOBER 31ST. THE DCAD WILL THEN TAKE THOSE NOMINATIONS AND COMPILE A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF THE NOMINEES, AND FORWARD THAT LIST TO THE CITY IN THE FORM OF A BALLOT. AND PRIOR TO DECEMBER 15TH, THE CITY WILL, BY WRITTEN RESOLUTION, CAST THEIR VOTE. AND THE VOTE WILL BE BASED ON THAT NUMBER OF PROPORTIONAL VOTES THAT WERE ENTITLED TO TO CAST. IT'S BASED ON OUR APPRAISAL VALUE RELATIVE TO THE OTHER TAXING ENTITIES. AND THEN ON PRIOR TO DECEMBER 31ST, THE DCAD WILL TABULATE THE VOTES AND FORWARD THE RESULTS BACK TO THE CITY, AND THE TWO CANDIDATES THAT RECEIVE THE MOST VOTES WILL START THEIR TERMS. AS OF JANUARY 1ST. THE

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VOTE WE CURRENTLY HAVE SET FOR DECEMBER 2ND TO BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL TO SUBMIT THE BALLOT, WHICH IS BEFORE THE DECEMBER 15TH DEADLINE SET BY DCAD. SO I GOT A LITTLE AHEAD OF MYSELF.

SO DECEMBER 2ND CITY COUNCIL WILL VOTE FOR BOARD MEMBERS. THE TOTAL VOTES FOR 2024 FOR ALL TAXING UNITS IS 5000. THE CITY OF DENTON VOTES LAST YEAR WAS 189, SO 3.78% OF THE TOTAL VOTES THAT WERE ELIGIBLE TO TO BE CAST. CURRENT VOTES IN FOR THIS YEAR ARE CURRENTLY BEING CALCULATED BY DCAD. AND ONCE WE HAVE THAT, WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU. JUST SO YOU KNOW,

THE NUMBER AND ANY QUESTIONS OKAY. >> SO QUESTIONS. NO NO ACTION

TODAY THOUGH RIGHT. >> SO TODAY WE'RE LOOKING FOR NOMINATIONS. THE TWO

NOMINATIONS EVEN. >> OKAY. I THOUGHT THEY GAVE US THEY WERE GOING TO GIVE US THE.

>> OCTOBER 15TH BUT WE HAVE NO NOMINATIONS OKAY. >> SO IF THERE'S NOMINATIONS BUT BUT WE HAVE TIME IF THERE'S NOT ANY. YEAH. GOT IT. OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

TWO. >> YES. THANK YOU. DO DO WE KNOW IF A OF A JENNIFER ARE SEEKING RENOMINATION? THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT ARE THOSE THOSE SLOTS ARE UP CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. I DO NOT KNOW. >> OKAY. >> WE COULD FOLLOW UP WITH THAT

INFORMATION. >> YES. I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT INFORMATION.

>> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FOUR. >> THANK YOU. >> I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THAT THE APPLICANTS MUST RESIDE IN THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT FOR TWO YEARS. IS THAT UNIQUE TO THIS BOARD? THERE'S NO THERE'S NO RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT OR LENGTH OF RESIDENCY, IS THERE?

ON OTHER BOARDS? >> IF I MAY? LAUREN, CITY SECRETARY, THIS IS SPECIFIC FOR THE THE COUNTY OF DENTON. THIS IS SEPARATE FROM OUR CITY CONSIDERATIONS. SO OUR CITY BOARDS REQUIRE A RESIDENCY. BUT WE WE VET THAT THERE'S IT THERE'S NO DURATION OF

RESIDENCY. >> EXACTLY THE ANSWER I WAS LOOKING FOR. THANK YOU.

>> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. >> AS FAR AS THE PROCESS THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE TYPICALLY THE CITY WILL PUT OUT A CALL FOR NOMINATIONS, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CITY COUNCIL MEETING? IS THERE A FORM? I MEAN, HOW DOES THE PROCESS CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE

PROCESS? >> YEAH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IN THE PAST THIS HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, AND COUNCIL HAS PROVIDED THE NAMES OF THE NOMINEES, WHICH WE THEN

INCLUDE IN A RESOLUTION AND PROVIDE TO TO THE DCAD. >> OKAY. AND WHAT WERE THE TWO

MEMBERS THAT ARE EXPIRING? CURRENTLY? >> IT IS THE VICE CHAIR IN

PLACE FOR AND. AND MIKE HANNA FOR PLACE SEVEN. >> OKAY. AND TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, IS THERE ANY SET NUMBER OF TERMS BEFORE THEY'RE TERMED OUT?

>> I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND. >> OKAY. WELL THANK YOU I'LL LOOK INTO IT FURTHER. YEAH,

YEAH. >> IF YOU COULD JUST FOLLOW UP LET US KNOW IF THOSE, IF THE THE INCUMBENTS ARE SEEKING REAPPOINTMENT, THAT'D BE GOOD. I'D LIKE TO PUT FORWARD THE NAME MATT HAMILTON TO SEE IF YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION. NO. JUST MAKING SURE YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE. YEAH. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO.

>> THANK YOU. IN THE FIRST ROUND OF SPEAKING, I DIDN'T HEAR ANY NOMINATIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S GOING TO NOMINATE AT THIS TIME, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE AT LEAST SOME OF US HAD SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. WANTED TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH. I WOULD LOVE TO BRING THIS. I WOULD LOVE FOR THE THIS BODY TO CONSIDER BRINGING THIS BACK AT ANOTHER TIME. I DON'T WANT TO PRECLUDE ANYONE'S POWER. IT'S OBVIOUSLY YOUR POWER TO NOMINATE ANYONE YOU WANT AT THIS MOMENT, BUT AND WE'LL VOTE ON THOSE LATER. BUT I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO TABLE THIS FOR

THIS EVENT TODAY. >> YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT. SO IT'S GOING TO YOU'RE IT

AUTOMATICALLY COME BACK TO US. RIGHT. LIKE WE WON'T NEED TO. >> WE'LL HAVE TO.

>> DO WE NEED TO TABLE IT OR. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. THAT'S WHAT YOU OUGHT

TO DO. >> ALL RIGHT. GOT IT. OKAY. SO I DIDN'T HEAR ANY NOMINATIONS EITHER. I THINK THERE ARE SOME DUE DILIGENCE TO BE DONE. SO ANY OTHER REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION OR COMMENTS? GREAT. THEN WE WILL. WHAT IS. SO WE'RE MEETING NEXT WEEK. WHAT THOUGHTS ON HOW MUCH TIME WE NEED TO SORT OF VOTE HAS TO BE ON THE SECOND RIGHT. IS THAT.

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>> EXCUSE ME. JUST WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THIS FOR NEXT WEEK BECAUSE OUR POSTING DEADLINE IS TOMORROW FOR NEXT WEEK'S MEETING. SO SEPTEMBER 30TH WOULD BE THE EARLIEST WE

COULD HAVE THIS COME BACK ON. >> PERFECT. OKAY. YEAH THAT WORKS. OKAY. SO WE WILL TABLE.

IS THAT THE RIGHT VERNACULAR. YEAH. SO WE'LL TABLE THIS ISSUE THIS ITEM BE UNTIL SEPTEMBER 30TH. AND WE'LL AT THAT POINT WE'LL WE'LL PROVIDE NAMES FOR AND STAFF BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WE'LL LET US KNOW ABOUT THE INCUMBENT. YEP. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT.

>> NO. >> JUST GREAT. BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT. THANK YOU. AND THEN WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL 630 WHEN WE TAKE UP THE TWO PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. AND IN THE IN THAT TIME, PLEASE NOTE, IF YOU HAVE CONTINGENCY FUNDS, WE'RE REALLY LATE IN THE TIME TO GET THOSE ALLOCATED. SO YOU WOULD NEED TO GET WITH STAFF TODAY, TOMORROW ON CONTINGENCY FUNDS. SO THAT BECAUSE THE POSTING, AS STAFF MENTIONED FOR THE NEXT MEETING IS TOMORROW. SO WE REALLY GOT TO HUSTLE. IF YOU HAVE THOSE AND I'M IN THAT BOAT SO FORGIVE ME BUT AND YEAH, SO IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT IS OR IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR GET WITH STAFF. THEY'LL THEY'LL GIVE YOU THE RUNDOWN. SO.

AND WES MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. WE ARE NOW TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. THAT WILL BE THE LAST TWO THINGS ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. WE DO HAVE

[A. Hold a public hearing and receive citizen input on the FY 2025-26 Proposed Budget. TAXPAYER IMPACT STATEMENT FISCAL YEAR 2025-26 This taxpayer impact statement is required by Government Code § 551.043(c) to be posted on the notice of a meeting at which a governmental body will discuss or adopt a budget for the governmental body. This Taxpayer Impact Statement shows the median-value homestead property in the City of Denton, a comparison of the property tax bill in dollars pertaining to the property for the current fiscal year to an estimate of the property tax bill in dollars for the same property for the upcoming fiscal year. Taxpayer Impact Statement FY 2025 FY 2026 FY 2026 Adopted No-New-Revenue Proposed Tax Rate Total tax rate (per $100 of value) $0.585420 $0.554279 $0.595420 Median homestead taxable value $379,836 $386,698 $386,698 Tax on average homestead $2,223.64 $2,143.39 $2,302.48 Difference to Current Year Tax Bill ($80.25) $78.84]

A QUORUM, SO CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. FIRST ITEM IS TWO A I'D 242622. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND RECEIVE CITIZEN INPUT ON FY. FY 20 2526 PROPOSED BUDGET.

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL MATT HAMILTON FOR FINANCE HERE TO PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2526 BUDGET AND RECEIVE RESIDENT FEEDBACK. THE PROPERTY TAX RATE PROPOSED IN THE CITY MANAGER'S FISCAL YEAR 2526 PROPOSED BUDGET IS 0.595420.

THIS IS AN INCREASE OF $0.01 OVER THE PRIOR YEAR. RATE. THIS RATE IS COMPRISED OF TWO COMPONENTS THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS RATE AND THE DEBT SERVICE RATE. THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION RATE IS UNCHANGED FROM THE PRIOR YEAR AT 0.334780 PER $100 OF VALUATION, AND THE DEBT SERVICE RATE IS PROPOSED TO INCREASE $0.01 TO 0.260640 PER $100 OF VALUATION. THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WHICH IS THE RATE THAT, IF IT WERE TO BE APPLIED TO THE SAME PROPERTIES ON THE TAX ROLL LAST YEAR, THIS YEAR IS 0.554279. THE PUBLISHED MAX TAX RATE THAT COUNCIL APPROVED WAS 0.605420, OR $0.01 HIGHER THAN THE CITY MANAGER'S PROPOSED TAX RATE, WHICH WAS DONE JUST TO PROVIDE COUNCIL FLEXIBILITY IN THE BUDGET DELIBERATION PROCESS. TAX DELIBERATION PROCESS AND THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE OF 0.610157, WHICH IS THE STATUTORY MAXIMUM WITHOUT TRIGGERING AN ELECTION. THE PROPOSED CITY MANAGER'S TAX RATE IS BELOW THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, BUT IS ABOVE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. SO TO PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF THE DIFFERENT FUNDS AND YOU'VE SEEN THESE SLIDES BEFORE, STARTING WITH THE WORKSHOP. AND THEN ON THE AUGUST 19TH, THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES IS PROPOSED AT $218,824,966. INCREASES IN REVENUE INCLUDE PROPERTY TAX, SALES TAX AND FRANCHISE AND ROI REVENUE. THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES ARE PROPOSED AT $218,824,966, AND SO THE BUDGET IS A BALANCED BUDGET THAT IS BEING PROPOSED. INCREASES ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE INCLUDE, NOTABLY AN INCREASE IN PERSONNEL SERVICES OF APPROXIMATELY $11 MILLION, AND THAT CAME OUT OF THE ZERO BASED

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BUDGETING THAT STAFF PERFORMED, IN WHICH WE DETERMINED THAT WE HAD PUBLIC SAFETY OVER TIME, NOTABLY UNDER BUDGETED AS WELL AS TO ACCOUNT FOR STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING THAT WAS LOST AND INCREASES TO OPERATIONS OR INCREASES, EXCUSE ME, TO BENEFITS LIKE HEALTH INSURANCE.

THE FUND BALANCE DOES DIP BELOW THE TARGET OF 20% IN 2526, BUT AS YOU'LL SEE, DOES RECOVER ABOVE THE 20% TARGET STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR. FISCAL YEAR 2027 OUT TO 2030, THE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS. THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE EIGHT INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS THAT THE CITY HAS.

INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS ARE USED TO ACCOUNT FOR GOODS OR SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED BY DEPARTMENTS ONLY FOR INTERNAL PURPOSES, SO TECHNOLOGY SERVICES. THIS PROVIDES THE TECHNOLOGY NEEDS OF ALL THE DEPARTMENTS FACILITIES. PROVIDES THE MAINTENANCE OF ALL THE CITY FACILITIES. WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE IS THAT THE BUDGET ACTUALLY DECREASED 2.2 MILLION, AND THIS WAS ANOTHER OUTCOME OF THE ZERO BASED BUDGETING THAT STAFF PERFORMED, WHICH DOES HELP THE GENERAL FUND AND THE UTILITY FUNDS. SINCE THOSE MAJOR FUNDS RELY ON THESE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS FOR THEIR SERVICES. SO WHEN THEIR COSTS GO DOWN, SO DO THE COSTS OF THE GENERAL FUND AND THE UTILITY FUNDS AS WELL. THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS. THESE ARE FUNDS WITH DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCES. AND YOU CAN SEE THE THE LIST OF THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS WE HAVE HERE. THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS $93,240,340. THE LARGEST FUNDS OF THESE INCLUDE THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND AS WELL AS THE STREET IMPROVEMENT FUND. SO TAKING A LOOK AT OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS, WHICH INCLUDES THE AIRPORT AND THE UTILITY FUNDS, THESE FUNDS ARE INTENDED TO OPERATE AS BUSINESS LIKE ENTITIES. THE AIRPORT IS PROPOSED, HAS PROPOSED A BALANCED BUDGET OF $2,585,416. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE AIRPORT FUND IS NOT RECEIVING ANY TYPE OF SUBSIDY OR TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND. THEY ARE TRULY SELF-SUPPORTING AND AND. THAT'S A GREAT STEP BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T ALWAYS SELF-SUPPORTING.

THIS BUDGET WAS REVIEWED BY THE AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD AND RECOMMENDED. THE ELECTRIC FUND IS PROPOSED AT $526,631,020 IN REVENUE AND $509,582,231 IN EXPENSE, FOR A NET INCOME OF $17,048,789. THERE IS NOT A BASE RATE INCREASE PROPOSED FOR ELECTRIC, AND THE NET INCOME IS INTENDED TO BOOST THE FUND BALANCE OF THE FUND JUST TO. INCREASE THE HEALTH OF THE FUND.

FOLLOWING SOME OF THE EVENTS THAT WE'VE WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WHETHER IT'S WINTER STORM URI OR IN 2023, WE HAD A FINANCE AND PURCHASE POWER. THE SOLID WASTE FUND IS PROPOSED AT $45,353,673 IN BOTH REVENUE AND EXPENSES, WITH NO PROPOSED RATE INCREASE FOR SOLID WASTE. THE WATER FUND IS BUDGETED WITH $59,167,356 OF REVENUE AND 62,799,520 IN EXPENSES, FOR A NET LOSS OF 600. EXCUSE ME. 3,632,164, WHICH IS A PLANNED DRAWDOWN OF THE FUND BALANCE BECAUSE THE FUND BALANCE WAS HIGHER THAN THE POLICY RANGE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED FOR THE FUND. WE ARE PROPOSING A 3% RATE INCREASE FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS, AS WELL AS A 297% INCREASE IN WHOLESALE TREATED WATER, WHICH WOULD NOT IMPACT RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL. THE WASTEWATER AND DRAINAGE FUND IS PROPOSED AT

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$50,426,572 IN REVENUE AND $51,361,578 IN EXPENSE, FOR A NET LOSS OF $935,006. THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS A ACTUALLY, ALL OF IT IS A PLANNED TRANSFER FROM THE DRAINAGE FUND BALANCE TO A WHAT WE CALL A JOB ACCOUNT IN ORDER TO SPEND THE FUNDS FOR CHANNEL REHABILITATION. SO TYPICALLY AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE WOULD MAKE THAT TRANSFER. THAT TRANSFER WAS NOT MADE AT THE END OF LAST YEAR. AND SO IN ORDER TO MOVE THE THE MONEY FROM THE FUND BALANCE INTO AN ACCOUNT TO SPEND, WE NEED TO MAKE THAT TRANSFER AND APPROPRIATE THAT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT. SO SO THAT IS A PLANNED DRAWDOWN. WE ARE PROPOSING A RATE INCREASE OF 11% FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS AND 11% FOR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS. THIS WILL KEEP THE FUND WITHIN THE FUND BALANCE, TARGET RANGES AS WELL AS WITHIN THE DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE RATIO POLICY. SO TAKING A LOOK AT THE RATE CHANGE HISTORY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL HAS SEEN NUMEROUS TIMES THROUGHOUT THIS BUDGET PROCESS. BUT ESSENTIALLY BETWEEN 2019 AND 2023, WE EITHER HAD RATE DECREASES OR NO RATE INCREASE FOR ALL THE UTILITY FUNDS. STARTING IN 2024, WE DID START TO INCREASE THE RATES FOR ELECTRIC AND WASTEWATER IN 2026. WE'RE PROPOSING THE 3% INCREASE FOR WATER AND THE 11% INCREASE FOR WASTEWATER. THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM INCLUDES 552.8 MILLION IN PLANNED NEW FUNDING FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026.

OF THIS, 127 MILLION IS FOR THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT, 2.2 MILLION FOR AIRPORT, 64 MILLION FOR ELECTRIC, 94.9 MILLION FOR WATER, 243 MILLION FOR WASTEWATER, AND 21.7 MILLION FOR SOLID WASTE. THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. THE 127 MILLION THAT I JUST REFERENCED. OF THAT, 44.2 MILLION IS THE 2023 BOND ELECTION. OTHER NOTABLE AMOUNTS ARE 12.1 MILLION FOR FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS AND 32.8 MILLION FOR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. OF THE 127 MILLION, 44.2 MILLION WILL BE GEO BONDS AND 65.5 MILLION ARE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, WITH 17.2 MILLION BEING CURRENT YEAR REVENUES, IMPACT FEES OR OTHER EXTERNAL FUNDING. TAKING A LOOK AT THE AIRPORT. THE AIRPORT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM INCLUDES 2.19 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 2026. MOST OF THESE, IN FACT, JUST ABOUT ALL OF THEM HAVE AN IIJA COMPONENT TO IT WHERE THEY'RE FUNDED AT 90% BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND DENTON PROVIDES A 10% MATCH. SO IT'S REALLY A GOOD PROGRAM FOR US TO GET SOME VERY EXPENSIVE IMPROVEMENTS DONE AT THE AIRPORT. ELECTRIC, THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, 63.60 3,000,900 959,588 MILLION FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2026. CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OF THAT, 58.4 MILLION IS DEBT FUNDED, 1.4 REVENUE FUNDED, AND 4 MILLION FROM COST PARTICIPATION, WHICH ARE OUTSIDE ENTITIES CONTRIBUTING TO TO A PROJECT. WATERS FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. $94,923,500. 34.9 MILLION IS RELATED TO PLANT IMPROVEMENTS, 27.8 MILLION RELATED TO TRANSMISSION LINES, AND THEN 10.2 MILLION RELATED TO LINE REPLACEMENT, AS WELL AS 11.2 MILLION THAT YOU SEE THERE FOR THE TAPS, FIRE HYDRANTS AND METERS. THAT'S MOSTLY RELATED TO METER REPLACEMENT.

WASTEWATER. THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM TOTALS $242,997,000. THE MAJORITY OF THAT ARE THE PLANT IMPROVEMENTS 114,750,000, AS WELL AS THE LINE REPLACEMENT,

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THE INTERCEPTORS AND SUCH THAT ARE NEEDED FOR DEVELOPMENT. OF THE 242,000,141.8 MILLION IS DEBT FUNDING, WHICH DOES INCLUDE THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, SWIFT FUNDING. AND THEN WE ALSO WANTED TO CALL OUT THE 98.2 MILLION IN WIFIA FUNDING FOR BEING AN EPA PROGRAM. THIS IS A LOAN PROGRAM THAT PROVIDES FAVORABLE RATES AND THE DEFERMENT UNTIL THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED FOR PAYMENT. THE SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, 21,712,000 OF WHICH THE MAJORITY IS THE ORGANICS PROGRAM. INFRASTRUCTURE FOR 14 MILLION, 18.2 MILLION PLANNED TO BE DEBT FUNDED AND 3.4 MILLION PLANNED TO BE REVENUE FUNDED. SO TONIGHT, WE'RE LOOKING FOR PUBLIC FEEDBACK REGARDING THE THE PROPOSED BUDGET. I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT A LINE ITEM BUDGET FOR THE OPERATING OPERATING BUDGETS ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE AT THE CITY'S FINANCE DEPARTMENT WEBSITE. SO CERTAINLY THAT WOULD PROVIDE DETAIL FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT DOWN TO THE LOWEST, YOU KNOW, BUDGETED LINE THAT THAT WE BUDGET TO. AND THEN MAYOR I WOULD ALSO STAFF WOULD REQUEST THAT THE THE PUBLIC HEARING REMAIN OPEN TO THE SEPTEMBER 16TH MEETING TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL NOTICE PROVIDED FOR IN NEW LEGISLATION TO TO PROVIDE TO THE PUBLIC

ADDITIONAL NOTICE FOR THE NEW LEGISLATION. >> GOT IT. OKAY. AND DO YOU WANT TO JUST GO OVER BRIEFLY THE DISCUSSION WE HAD AROUND THE HOT FUNDS KIND OF OUR APPROACH THERE, IS IT BAKED INTO ONE OF THESE NUMBERS OR IS THAT LATER I THOUGHT WE HAD A.

>> THE. >> THE THE ALLOCATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO. I JUST WANT TO HAVE IT ON THE RECORD IN HERE AS WELL. IS IT THIS ONE OR THE NEXT PRESENTATION. WOULD IT BE

CAPTURED IN HERE. OKAY. >> SO. >> JUST A HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY IS ALL I'M LOOKING FOR. JUST SO WE'RE WE HAVE IT AND PEOPLE CAN KNOW WHAT WE'RE UP TO OKAY.

>> YEAH. >> SO CHRISTINE TAYLOR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. SO OUR CONVERSATION AT THE PRIOR WORK SESSION WAS WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT THE BUDGET WITH THE PROPOSED TOTAL AMOUNT FOR THE TOURIST AND CONVENTION FUND. HOLD A WORK SESSION NEXT WEEK TO TALK ABOUT THOSE INDIVIDUAL EXPENDITURE ALLOCATIONS. BUT WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT IT WITH

THE TOTAL FIVE $5 MILLION BUDGET. >> PERFECT. THANK YOU. JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT KIND OF POINTED OUT AS WELL. OKAY. SO ANY WELL I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO ANYONE WHO CARES TO SPEAK EITHER FILL OUT A BLUE CARD BEFORE OR AFTER YOU SPEAK, BUT IT IS OPEN. AND ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NO QUESTIONS.

ANY SPEAKERS? SEEING NONE. I DO HAVE ONE THING. AGAIN, I WANT TO, AS PEOPLE CONSIDER. CAN YOU TOUCH ON THE HOW THE DEBT RATE IS, HOW WE ARRIVED. SO IT WENT UP $0.01. HOW IS THAT ARRIVED?

HOW DO WE ARRIVE AT THAT NUMBER? >> YEAH. >> SO WHEN THE CITY ISSUES DEBT, THAT FIRST PAYMENT IS IN THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR. SO WHEN WE ISSUE, WE JUST COMPLETED A BOND SALE HERE IT WAS IN AUGUST. NO I'M SORRY JULY THAT WE RECEIVED THE PROCEEDS. THE FIRST PAYMENT ON THAT WILL OCCUR IN FISCAL YEAR 2526. SO HOW WE CALCULATE THE DEBT RATE IS WE LOOK AT ALL THE PAYMENTS THAT ARE DUE IN THAT NEXT FISCAL YEAR. AND AND ESSENTIALLY TAKE THAT TOTAL PAYMENT NUMBER AND DIVIDE IT BY THE ASSESSED VALUE. AND THAT'S HOW THAT NUMBER COMES UP. THERE'S NO ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE CAN MAKE TO THE NUMBER. IT JUST

THE NUMBER IS WHAT IT IS TO MAKE THAT DEBT PAYMENT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND ONE THING I WOULD LIKE YOU POINTED IT OUT AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL MOVE ON. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE I GUESS TAKE US BACK MAYBE 4 OR 5 YEARS, WHATEVER'S EASY. BUT ON THE AIRPORT THAT THAT IS SIGNIFICANT THAT IT'S SELF-FUNDING, YOU KNOW, SELF-SUSTAINING. AND SO IF YOU COULD TAKE US BACK, KIND OF JUST FOLLOW UP WITH AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHERE WE ARRIVED, BUT HERE'S THE PATH THERE THAT THAT'S SIGNIFICANT. SHOUT OUT TO EVERYONE THAT MADE THAT

POSSIBLE. >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. >> YEAH. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING NONE THEN. YEAH I WILL TABLE POSTPONE CONTINUE CONTINUE THE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING ON THE 19TH.

>> 16TH. >> YEAH. THERE YOU GO. NUMBERS TODAY IT CONTINUES 16. SO THANK

[B. Hold a public hearing on proposed property tax increase that will not exceed $0.605420 per $100 valuation. The proposed rate will exceed the no new revenue tax rate ($0.554279 per $100) but will not exceed the voter-approval tax rate ($0.610157 per $100).]

YOU VERY MUCH. AND THAT TAKES US TO ITEM B WHICH IS TWO B WHICH IS ID 242623. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX INCREASE THAT WILL NOT EXCEED 0.60524. .065420 PER 100 EVALUATION. THE PROPOSED RATE WILL WILL EXCEED THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE OF 0.554279 PER 100, BUT WILL NOT EXCEED THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE OF 0.610157 PER 100. AND

THEN I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> MAYOR MEMBERS COUNCIL MATT HAMILTON, ADA FINANCE HERE TO PRESENT THE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED TAX RATES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526 AND RECEIVE RESIDENT FEEDBACK. SO OUR APPRAISED VALUES FOR THE COMING FISCAL YEAR CAME IN AT 22.75 BILLION, EXCLUDING THE TOURS. BUT THAT DOES INCLUDE THE FROZEN VALUES.

THIS IS A 7.1% INCREASE COMPARED TO THE 2024 CERTIFIED VALUES OF 21.24 BILLION. WE HAD A AN INCREASE IN NEW VALUE OF 1.51 BILLION. POINT. I'M SORRY THAT WASN'T NEW VALUE. THAT WAS JUST TOTAL INCREASE. 0.6 BILLION OR 600 MILLION WAS THE INCREASE IN NEW VALUES AND 0.91 BILLION OR 910 MILLION WAS THE CHANGE IN EXISTING PROPERTY VALUES. EXCLUDING FROZEN VALUES, THE TAXABLE VALUE IS 19.3 BILLION AND THE AVERAGE TAXABLE HOME VALUE INCREASED TO $386,698. THE PROPOSED BUDGET INCLUDES A TAX RATE EQUAL TO 0.595420 OF THIS AMOUNT, 0.334780 IS PROVIDED FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION EXPENSE, AND, AS WAS NOTED IN THE PRIOR HEARING, THAT IS NOT THAT IS UNCHANGED FROM THE CURRENT YEAR AND A DEBT RATE OF 0.260640. THE DEBT RATE IS PROPOSED TO INCREASE $0.01. THIS CHANGE IN TAX RATE WOULD RESULT IN ABOUT A $7 A MONTH INCREASE FOR THE AVERAGE HOMESTEAD VALUE, AND. COUNCIL MEMBER BECK YOU HAD INQUIRED PREVIOUSLY REGARDING WHAT THE CHANGE WOULD BE BETWEEN THE PROPOSED RATE AND THE CITY COUNCIL'S PUBLISHED RATE. IF THE PROPOSED RATE WAS ADOPTED, IT WOULD RESULT IN IT'S $6.59 PER MONTH AND $9.79 AT THE PUBLISHED MAXIMUM, FOR A DIFFERENCE OF $3.22 PER MONTH, OR $38.67 PER YEAR, JUST BETWEEN THE PROPOSED RATE AND

THE MAX PUBLISHED RATE. >> THANK YOU. >> THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPERTY TAX RATES. AS YOU PREVIOUSLY SAW, AND THE NEXT STEPS WILL BE TO RECEIVE PUBLIC FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE. I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE THE BUDGET AND TAX RATE ADOPTION NEXT TUESDAY ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, AND THAT FOR THE TAX RATE ITEM IN PARTICULAR, IT DOES REQUIRE A SUPERMAJORITY. FIVE OF THE SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS TO VOTE IN AGREEMENT TO

RAISE THE RATE ABOVE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL. ANYONE WHO WOULD CARE TO SPEAK CAN COME DOWN AND SPEAK AND FILL OUT A BLUE CARD BEFORE OR AFTER MAYOR PRO TEM.

>> THANK YOU. MAYOR MATT, CAN YOU REMIND US HOW MUCH TOTAL REVENUE $0.01 REPRESENTS IN

TERMS OF THE TOTAL REVENUE TO THE CITY? >> YEAH, SO SO FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR, $0.01 WOULD REPRESENT $1,939,887. SO ABOUT 1.93 MILLION.

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>> AND SO WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT THE PROPOSAL, THE PROPOSED $0.01 INCREASE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PAYING OFF OUR DEBT PAYMENTS, THAT WE'VE WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO THIS DEBT. RIGHT. YEAH. SO CAN YOU REMIND US WHAT HAPPENS IF, LET'S SAY WE WERE NOT TO PASS THE $0.01 TAX INCREASE? WHERE WOULD WE GET THE MONEY TO PAY OFF THE DEBT?

>> YEAH. SO IF A DECISION WAS MADE TO LOWER THE TAX RATE, IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO COME FROM THE THE DEBT SIDE OF THE TAX RATE. IT WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE SIDE. SO A REDUCTION IN THAT RATE WOULD, YOU KNOW, IMPACT PERSONNEL OPERATIONS PROGRAMS, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT THAT THE GENERAL FUND PROVIDES.

DEPARTMENTS INCLUDE POLICE, FIRE, LIBRARY, PARKS. SO IT WOULD THE CUTS WOULD NEED TO

COME FROM THOSE DEPARTMENTS. >> AND IT'S ABOUT 1.9 MILLION ROUGHLY. OR IS IT CLOSER TO TWO?