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YEAH.WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE ARE GOING TO GET STARTED AT 5:31 P.M..
[1. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.STAND WITH ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS.
YOU'RE GOING TO SAY NOW IT'S JUST KIND OF.
DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS THAT FILLED OUT A CARD TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE RIGHT ALONG.
SO WE ARE MOVING TO ITEM THREE,
[A. Consider approval of the October 13, 2025 minutes.]
A NUMBER HLC 25057.WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THE APPROVAL OF THE OCTOBER 13TH 25 MINUTES.
SO I TRUST THAT YOU ALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK OVER THOSE.
IF SO, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I MOVE APPROVAL.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[A. Receive a report from the Community Services Department on the Minor Home Repair, Rental Repair, and the Neighborhood Empowerment Programs designed to help improve Denton neighborhoods.]
MOVING TO ITEM FOR A NUMBER EIGHT CHELSEA 25055 ON OUR AGENDA IS TO RECEIVE A REPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT ON THE MINOR HOME REPAIR, RENTAL, REPAIR AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT PROGRAM DESIGNED TO HELP IMPROVE DENTON NEIGHBORHOODS.FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT IN ATTENDANCE, LAST MEETING THIS IS KIND OF THIS IS A REQUEST OF THE HISTORIC LANDMARK MISSION IN OUR OCTOBER MEETING TO JUST GET A LITTLE BIT MORE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, SINCE I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON THE AREA THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THIS EVENING.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU ALL THAT REMINDER IN THIS BOARD.
THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU SO MUCH.
MY NAME IS LUISA GARCIA AND I WORK OVER IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 34 YEARS.
SO YES, WE WERE INVITED HERE TODAY.
ALSO WITH ME, I'M SORRY, IS ALMOST PINO AND THAT SHE ACTUALLY MANAGES THE DAY TO DAY ACTIVITIES FOR OUR MINOR REPAIR PROGRAM AND OUR RENTAL REPAIR PROGRAM.
AND AND I OVERSEE THE PROGRAM.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION, AT THE REQUEST OF YOUR MEETING LAST TIME, BUT WE'LL BE TALKING TODAY ABOUT THE MINOR REPAIR PROGRAM THAT THE CITY HAS AND ALSO THE RENTAL REPAIR PROGRAM.
I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BOTH PROGRAMS, ACTUALLY ARE REPAIR PROGRAMS THAT WE CAN ASSIST WITH 24,500 IN ASSISTANCE FOR THEIR REPAIRS.
THEY'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT I'LL GO THROUGH THAT DIFFERENCE IN A BIT.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE ELIGIBLE TYPE OF REPAIRS THAT WE DO UNDER OUR PROGRAM.
SO WE DO CONCENTRATE ON ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, ROOF REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT, A REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT AND ACCESSIBILITY.
WE MIGHT DO SOME CABINETRY WORK.
WE MIGHT DO SOME ADDITIONAL WORK INSIDE THE HOUSE.
BUT BECAUSE IT'S ONLY 24,500, THAT DOESN'T TAKE US VERY FAR.
UNDER THE MINOR REPAIR PROGRAM.
THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 1986.
IT IS CURRENTLY FUNDED WITH FEDERAL FUNDING.
FOR. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE RECEIVING 468,647 IN FEDERAL FUNDING FROM THE US DEPARTMENT OF HAD.
IT'S CALLED COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FOR THOSE THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
AND THIS IS FOR THE 25 PROGRAM YEAR, WHICH JUST STARTED OCTOBER 1ST.
THIS PROGRAM HAS ASSISTED OVER 800 HOUSEHOLDS SINCE ITS INCEPTION.
43% HAVE BEEN ELDERLY HOUSEHOLDS THAT WE ASSISTED IN AGING IN PLACE.
WE ALSO HAVE MORE OF THE MOST OF THE ABOUT 50% OF THE HOUSEHOLD ASSISTED HAVE BEEN 50% BELOW THEM HAD MEDIAN INCOME.
AND IN A MINUTE, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT MEANS.
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UNDER THE MINOR REPAIR PROGRAM IT'S A MAXIMUM OF ONE REPAIR PER FISCAL YEAR.WE CAN HELP THEM WITH THEIR HVAC AND MAYBE THEIR WATER HEATER.
MAYBE A FEW OTHER THINGS INSIDE THE HOUSE.
AND THEN IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE MAJOR, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO WAIT THE FOLLOWING YEAR UNLESS IT'S AN EMERGENCY, SUCH AS MAYBE, LEAKING ROOF OR MAYBE HVAC.
SOME OF OUR BUDGET GETS SET ASIDE FOR JUST HVAC FOR THE SUMMER AND MAYBE HEATERS FOR THE SUMMER.
FOR THE WINTER, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDS FOR THOSE TYPE OF CRITICAL REPAIRS.
SO THE ASSISTANCE IS IN THE FORM OF A GRANT.
THEY DON'T PAY IT BACK, BUT IT'S JUST A ONE TIME GRANT.
THE THE APPLICANT MUST OWN AND OCCUPY THE PROPERTY AS THEIR PRINCIPAL PRINCIPAL RESIDENCY.
THE PROPERTY ALSO HAS TO BE LOCATED INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS OF DENTON, AND THEN THE APPLICANT INCOME MUST QUALIFY BASED ON THE MEDIAN INCOME.
A FAMILY FOR NO MORE THAN 93,850.
WE HAVE TO USE THE THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME FOR THE DALLAS.
AND THAT USUALLY IS END UP BEING HIGHER THAN WHAT DENNIS IS.
BUT THAT'S REQUIRED BY FOR US TO DO THAT.
UNDER THE RENTAL REPAIR PROGRAM, IT IS A PROGRAM THAT JUST STARTED BACK IN 2024.
IT IS CURRENTLY FUNDED WITH GENERAL FUNDS WITH A BUDGET OF ABOUT 100 000 EVERY YEAR.
WE'VE ASSISTED TO DATE THREE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR REPAIR FOR FOUR UNITS.
SINCE THAT PROGRAM IS JUST IN ITS PILOT INFANCY STAGE, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK OUT WHAT WORKS, WHAT DOESN'T.
SO WE'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS AS WE GO ALONG.
WE DON'T GET A LOT OF APPLICATIONS FOR THAT.
OR IF WE DO IT, IT THE REPAIRS ARE JUST TOO MASSIVE AND NOT EVEN WITH OUR ASSISTANCE.
COULD WE MAKE A DENT IN THOSE AND THOSE RENTAL UNITS? OKAY.
RENTAL REPAIR PROGRAM ASSISTANCE IS PROVIDED IN EXCHANGE FOR RENTING THE PROPERTY AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE TO INCOME ELIGIBLE TENANTS.
SO THE LANDLORD DOESN'T HAVE TO MEET THE INCOME REQUIREMENTS THERE IN EXCHANGE FOR US RENT REPAIRING THE RENTAL UNITS THEY'RE RENTING IT TO TO AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE TO INCOME ELIGIBLE TENANTS.
IT'S A FIVE YEAR FORGIVABLE LOAN PER UNIT.
THE APPLICANT MUST HOLD A FEE.
SIMPLE TITLE. THAT MEANS THAT IT CAN'T BE, LIKE ON A I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER, WHERE THEY OWN IT.
IT'S LIKE A THIRD PARTY, SOMEBODY ELSE OWNS IT AND THEY ARE DOING A LOAN WORDS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TITLE TO THE PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE TITLE TO THAT PROPERTY.
WE CAN DO 1 TO 4 UNITS BUILDING LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF DENTON.
RENTAL PROPERTIES MUST BE MORE THAN TEN YEARS OLD, SO WE DON'T DO NEW RENTAL UNITS.
WE ALSO, BEFORE I GO INTO THAT, EVERY PROPERTY THAT WE PROVIDE, ANY TYPE OF ASSISTANCE, WE HAVE TO DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL CHECKLIST.
AND THAT ENVIRONMENTAL CHECKLIST REQUIRES THAT WE LOOK AT DO THEY HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE? ARE THEY IN THE FLOODPLAIN? DO THEY HAVE A PROPERTY THAT MAY HAVE TOXIC CONTAMINATIONS ON IT? WE LOOK AT HISTORICAL ALSO, ANY PROPERTY THAT IS A OF 45 YEARS AND OLDER IS CONSIDERED TO BE HISTORICAL PROPERTY.
AND SO I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S OF INTEREST TO THIS COMMITTEE.
SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF RUN THROUGH YOU WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE FOR EVERY PROPERTY THAT IS 45 YEARS.
AND OF COURSE IT DOESN'T AFFECT EVERY PROPERTY, ONLY THOSE THAT ARE 45 YEARS AND OLDER.
SO IF A PROPERTY IS MORE THAN 45 YEARS OLD AND WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING EXTERIOR REPAIRS, THEN WE TAKE PHOTOS AND PROVIDE A LIST OF THE REPAIRS TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR WHAT THEY CALL A SECTION 106 REVIEW.
WE PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THE DENTON COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND ALSO TO THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION OFFICER HERE FOR THE CITY.
THEY GET NOTIFIED THAT WE'RE DOING A 106 REVIEW WITH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
SO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION IS GOING TO DO 1 OR 2 THINGS.
THEY'RE EITHER GOING TO TELL US THAT THAT PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE FOR A NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES, OR IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE.
SO IF THE HOUSE IS NOT ELIGIBLE, THEN WE DON'T NOTIFY US IN WRITING, AND THEN WE JUST PROCEED WITH THE REPAIR.
IF IT'S ELIGIBLE, THEN WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM TO TRY TO NEGOTIATE WHAT REPAIRS WE NEED TO DO.
HOWEVER, I MENTIONED THAT IT'S ONLY 24,500.
WE'RE DOING ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, ALL THAT IS MAINLY INSIDE THE HOUSE.
IF WE DO ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE EXTERIOR, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ROOF.
AND WE REPLACE LIKE WITH LIKE.
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SO MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE SUBMIT SOMETHING TO THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION, THEY LIKE THAT WE'RE DOING LIVE FOR LUCK AND THAT WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY.SO IT'S VERY RARE THAT WE COME BACK WITH A PROPERTY THAT WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, WE PROBABLY HAD ONE PROPERTY WE USED TO FUND A PROGRAM CALLED THE HOME IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
THAT'S WHEN WE ACTUALLY RENOVATED THE ENTIRE HOUSE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM.
AND IN THOSE PROPERTIES, YES, WE USED TO COME ACROSS, WE CAME ACROSS ONE PROPERTY THAT WE RENOVATED FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, AND IT TOOK US A YEAR TO GET TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION PROCESS.
THIS IS WHAT OUR WORK RIGHT UP LOOKS LIKE.
THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION WOULD COME BACK.
WE WOULD PREFER THAT YOU DO THIS.
AND SO AND MAYBE THIS TYPE OF WINDOW OR SOMETHING ELSE.
AND SO IT TOOK US ALMOST A YEAR, BUT WE WE MADE IT THROUGH AND THE PROJECT WENT THROUGH.
THERE'S TIMES WHEN I DO REMEMBER ONE PROPERTY THAT, MY COWORKER MENTIONED THAT WHEN THEY CAME BACK TO US, IT WAS GOING TO BE OVER $100,000 TO DO A SMALL RENOVATION, AND WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE CHOSE NOT TO APPROVE THAT PROPERTY GOING FORWARD. SO, THAT'S REALLY HOW WE HANDLE HISTORICAL PROPERTIES.
ME WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE FOR US? DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS FOR US OR JUST QUESTIONS ON THE PROGRAMS? YES. SO, IF A PROPERTY IS LISTED WITH THE HISTORIC OKAY, THE MISSION.
SO WOULD YOU STILL GO TO TEXAS OR WOULD YOU COME TO THE DIDN'T? BECAUSE WE'RE USING FEDERAL FUNDS, WE ARE REQUIRED TO GO TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
AND THEN, WE ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT WE AT LEAST NOTIFY THE LOCAL SO THEY ARE AWARE, IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR THOSE PROPERTIES ARE WHAT MORE Y'ALL ARE WORKING.
EVEN THE COUNTY IS WELCOME TO LET US KNOW IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS OR ANYTHING WITH THOSE PROPERTIES.
THE FEDERAL. THAT'S RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.
WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO RUN IT THROUGH EITHER THE CITY OR THE COUNTY BEFORE THE STATE? JUST WHEN I, WHEN I'M IMAGINING HERE IS IT MIGHT CREATE SOME INERTIA AND VAPOR OF A PROPOSAL WHERE IT MAYBE MIGHT MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THE STATE TO.
DELAY THINGS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL OR NOT.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO DO IT IN TANDEM AT THE VARIOUS AT THE SAME TIME, ONLY BECAUSE THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 30 DAYS, AND THESE ARE MONTERREY PAIR PROGRAM REPAIRS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SHORTEN THAT TIME FRAME.
SO I THINK IF WE DO IT AT THE SAME TIME, IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL CUT DOWN SOME OF THAT TIME.
SO THE OWNER HAS TO OWN IT OUTRIGHT.
NOT NECESSARILY THEY CAN BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE TITLE TO THAT HOUSE.
YOU SAID SORT OF PILOTING. WHAT'S WORKING.
WHAT ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU HAVE FOUND TO BE LIKE THE BARRIER IN THE SORT OF TENANT SIDE ONE IS THE AMOUNT OF WORK AT IT FAR EXCEEDS WHAT'S BUDGETED FOR.
AND SO WHAT WHAT WE NORMALLY DO IS WHEN WE TAKE AN APPLICATION, IF THE WORK IS GOING TO BE A HUMAN EXAMPLE 50,000.
ONCE WE DO A WORK RIGHT UP, WE'LL WE'LL NOTIFY THE LANDLORD, LET THEM KNOW THAT THE COST IS 5000.
CAN THEY COVER THE DIFFERENCE? SOMETIMES IF IT'S A SMALLER GAP, THEY MAY BE WILLING TO TO COVER THE DIFFERENCE.
BUT IF IT'S A LOT MORE THAN THAT, IT'S HARD FOR THEM.
THEY SOMETIMES GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE INSTEAD.
I KNOW THERE WAS ONE OTHER CHANGE THAT WE MADE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF IT, BECAUSE WE NOTICED WE WE HAD WE HAD A REQUIREMENT AT THE BEGINNING THAT IT HAD TO BE NEWLY PURCHASED, RECENTLY PURCHASED, AND WE NOTICED THAT WE WEREN'T HAVING ANY TAKERS.
SO WE WENT AHEAD AND BROUGHT THAT RULE.
AND WE ALWAYS WE REVIEWED THE GUIDELINES EVERY YEAR BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE WILL MOVE FORWARD PROPERLY TO US.
BUT WITH THE $100,000 WE CAN DO FOR UNITS PER YEAR.
SO SO FAR, I MEAN, WE HAVE DONE FOR BUT IT KIND OF WAS WITHIN TWO YEARS, ONE PROPERTY ROLLED OVER INTO THE FOLLOWING BECAUSE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO COMPLETE IT IN TIME TO COUNT IT. SO.
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HAVE YOU HAD MORE REQUESTED THAN YOU WERE ABLE TO DO IN A YEAR ON THE RENTAL REPAIR? NO, ON THE MINOR REPAIR, YES.WE DID RUN OUT OF FUNDS DURING THE SUMMER, AND THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS MAKE SURE WE SET ASIDE SOME MONEY FOR OUR FOR HVAC SO WE CAN MAKE SURE.
BUT EVERYONE ELSE WAS BEING TOLD YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL OCTOBER.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING THROUGH OUR WAITING LIST AND WE HAVE 51 PEOPLE RIGHT NOW FOR MINOR REPAIR. YES.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO QUICKLY TRYING TO GET THEM THROUGH SOME OF THEIR APPLICATIONS AND GET THEM APPROVED SO WE CAN START DOING THOSE REPAIRS.
ON THE RENTAL REPAIR PROGRAM, YOU SAID THAT PARTICIPATING PROPERTIES MUST THEN BE RENTED OUT AT REASONABLE RATES.
HOW WILL THOSE CALCULATOR DEFINED? THOSE ARE PROVIDED TO US BY HUD.
THEY HAVE A FAIR MARKET RENTS OKAY.
SO WE UTILIZE THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RENTS THAT THE LANDLORD IS GOING TO BE CHARGING DON'T EXCEED.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA FOR THE HOME REPAIR WITH THE FOR FOR ANY GIVEN REPAIR.
WHAT? THE AVERAGE TOTAL CLAIM, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL IT IS MOSTLY MAXING IT OUT OR WHAT'S THAT? YOU MEAN WHAT? THE TOTAL COST WE'RE SPENDING FOR REPAIRS.
FOR ON AVERAGE, ON AVERAGE 13,000.
THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. 13.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN KIND OF ROLLING THROUGH IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE PLACES THAT MAY BE AT, OR CLOSE TO HISTORICAL DESIGNATION, TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO KIND OF INCENTIVE THAT.
SO I'M CURIOUS, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, IF IF THEY DO GO THROUGH THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION.
DOES THAT UNLOCK ANY OTHER POSSIBILITIES FOR THEM TO ACCESS FURTHER SOURCES OF FUNDING, EITHER THROUGH THE STATE OR.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE HOW DOES.
HOW DOES THIS MAYBE BECOME A POSITIVE IN THE SENSE THAT.
I DO REMEMBER READING ONCE THAT THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY THROUGH THE STATE OF TEXAS, BUT I DON'T HAVE THOSE DETAILS, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO IT AND THEN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO ROBERT. NO.
I KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW THAT LIKE THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION, LIKE ONCE YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEY START TO SEE, OH, WAIT A MINUTE.
THIS IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, ELIGIBLE, RIGHT? THEN THAT CAN UNLOCK OTHER KIND OF PUZZLES THAT THAT THEN IT'S LIKE, OH, WELL, IF YOU GO THIS NEXT STEP YOU MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS.
AND THEN YEAH, BECAUSE BECAUSE THE STATE REQUIRES IT.
AND THIS IS A FEDERAL GRANT. RIGHT.
THAT MIGHT EVEN TURN INTO A DOUBLE WHAMMY AT SOME POINT WHERE YOU'RE GETTING SOME FEDERAL INCENTIVE AND A TEXAS STATE.
SO BUT YES, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE, MAYBE FROM TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION OR THEY CAN PROVIDE US ADDITIONAL RESOURCES.
YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'VE JUST HAD SOME UPDATES TOO.
THEY USED TO TAKE QUITE A BIT OF TIME, ALMOST 30 DAYS FOR US TO GET A RESPONSE.
BUT ACTUALLY SINCE THEY'VE DONE ELECTRONIC FILING NOW, IT TAKES US MAYBE A WEEK AND A HALF TO TWO WEEKS.
NO MORE THAN THAT. OH, SO IT'S A LOT.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT INFORMATION TO HAVE ON HAND SO THAT WHEN A HOMEOWNER IS APPLYING TO ALL AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE BY THE WAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IT THROUGH THIS, THEN IT THEY DON'T AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME THAT WHATEVER COMES BACK IS GOING TO BE JUST A HUGE NUMBER, WHICH OFTEN HAPPENS WHEN IT'S A HISTORIC MEANS.
BUT BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH JUST A MINOR, A PERSON USUALLY INTERIOR, RIGHT? THAT PROCESS TAKES A LOT QUICKER BECAUSE ALL I HAVE A QUESTION THAT I THINK WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
SO BECAUSE THE IT MEANS THE THRESHOLD OF WHAT YOU HAVE TO PAY TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE EXEMPTION, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT THE ONES PAYING, DOES THAT THEN MAKE THEM INELIGIBLE? OR IS IT JUST 10,000 INVESTED? THEY COULD APPLY.
AND SHOWING THAT THOSE INVOICES ARE PAID.
BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BY THEM. YEAH.
DO THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN APPLY? IS THAT IS THAT PART OF THE PROCESS? WOULD WE WANT THEM TO KNOW? DON'T THEY HAVE TO BE DESIGNATED HISTORIC BEFORE THEY.
BUT SHE WAS SAYING SOME OF THEM ARE THAT THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT.
AND THEN THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH THE STATE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, HERE TO THEIR STATE.
BUT ARE THEY WITH THE CITY? RIGHT.
ARE THEY WITH THE DENTON? THEY'RE NOT NECESSARY.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE DIFFERENCE. RIGHT?
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I THINK SO.YEAH, YEAH, BUT THAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL IF IT WAS A LOCAL LANDMARK PROPERTY WHO WAS LOOKING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS, YOU KNOW, AND THEY HAPPEN TO BE WITH ELIGIBLE AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL OR WITHIN A NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE THIS PROGRAM.
THEN THEY WOULD HIT THAT $10,000 MINIMUM AND THEN WHICH THEN THEY COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT DOING THE TAX EXEMPTION.
IF I THINK I READ CORRECTLY THAT'S A IT'S THEIR A FIVE YEAR FORGIVABLE LOAN.
IS THE FORGIVENESS BASED ON THERE BEING AFFORDABLE RENT.
SO WHAT IF HYPOTHETICALLY I TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS PROGRAM AND THEN I'M LIKE, NO, I DON'T WANT TO DO.
AND THEN I WE HAVE TO SIGN WHEN WE PROVIDE ASSISTANCE.
WE SIGNED A TRUST AND A PROMISSORY NOTE THAT THE YOU DON'T MEET THE FIVE YEARS, THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY BACK THE FULL AMOUNT IMMEDIATELY, IMMEDIATELY.
USUALLY IT'S DOING PAYABLE IMMEDIATELY. OKAY.
NOW THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THAT IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO PAY THAT BACK IMMEDIATELY, THAT WE COULD SET UP SOME TYPE OF PAYMENT PLAN.
BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T.
NO, SEAN'S BEEN INTERESTED IN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN.
YOU'RE DOING THE NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT PROGRAM? YES.
SO THESE ARE THE TWO AND THREE.
I'M THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES MANAGER. CITY OF DENTON.
I'M ALSO OVER COMMUNITY SERVICES.
SHE'S ACTUALLY THE SERVICES OR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR THE AREA RIGHT AROUND HERE.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT GRANT GOT SPLIT OUT UNDER ME THREE YEARS AGO WHEN I STARTED USING ACTUALLY UNDER PLANNING.
IT IS A MATCHING GRANT AND IT IS FULLY FUNDED BY THE CITY.
SO IT GIVES IT SOME FLEXIBILITY, BUT IT IS WRITTEN INTO ORDINANCE.
SO CHAPTER 14 GOVERNS THIS GRANT AND HOW IT IS USED.
SO JUST KIND OF STARTING OFF THE THE PRESENTATION WITH THE BEGINNING.
SO TO CREATE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY TO BENEFIT ALL IN THE COMMUNITY.
I TAKING RESOURCES FROM THE CITY, MAXIMUM OF 10,000 PER PROJECT PER YEAR PER APPLICANT AND THEN BUILDING SOMETHING, MAKING A PROJECT THAT BENEFITS OTHERS.
A LOT OF STIPULATIONS ON THAT.
WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE.
I LIKE TO START WITH WHO CAN APPLY BECAUSE THIS GRANT GETS THROWN AROUND A LOT, BUT IT IS PRETTY SPECIFIC ON WHO CAN, YOU MUST BE A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, TENANT ASSOCIATION, OR A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP.
THIS ONE'S A LITTLE HARDER TO.
SO YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP.
YOU HAVE TO BE REGISTERED, FIVE OR MORE UNRELATED INDIVIDUALS FROM DIFFERENT HOUSEHOLDS IN GENERALLY THE SAME AREA.
SO YOU CAN'T BE IN ALL DIFFERENT PARTS OF DENTON AND COME TOGETHER.
IT WOULD DEFEAT THE PURPOSE. RIGHT? WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS IN A TARGETED AREA THAT IS OPEN TO EVERYONE.
BUT THAT SAID, ALL THE PROJECTS ALWAYS HAVE A CITIZEN PROJECT COORDINATOR THAT WOULD WORK WITH MYSELF AND WE'D MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECT GOES PERFECTLY.
THEY ARE MATCHING AND REIMBURSEMENT FUNDS.
SO IF YOU APPLY FOR THE FULL 10,000, YOU HAVE TO ALSO MATCH EITHER $10,000 OF YOUR OWN MONEY OR KIND SERVICES.
AND WE HAVE A LITTLE TRACKING SHEETS SO YOU CAN GIVE UP TO THAT MANY HOURS TOWARDS THE PROJECT.
RECENTLY WE HAD A COMPUTER LAB THAT WAS PUT IN SOUTHEAST DENTON.
THEY'RE OUR SHEET WAS INSTALLING EVERYTHING, PICKING IT UP, ACTUALLY WORKING IN THE ROOM AND GETTING IT READY AND OPENING IT FOR THE HOURS.
FOR THE PUBLIC, THE $10,000 WAS FOR THE EQUIPMENT.
SO THE COMPUTERS AND THE DESKS AND THE CHAIRS
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ACTUALLY ARE STILL USING IT.WE'VE HAD THAT ONE FOR OVER A YEAR NOW.
ONCE YOU SPEND THE FUNDS YOU SUBMIT FOR REIMBURSEMENT, YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE THAT.
IF IT'S 20,000, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THE FULL TEN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT 20,000 UP FRONT.
AND THEN IT'S ALWAYS DEPENDENT ON OUR FUNDING.
THIS YEAR WE ONLY HAVE 30,000 AVAILABLE FOR THIS GRANT.
WE JUST STARTED, BUT WE HAD TO REDUCE IT BECAUSE OF BUDGET CUTS.
SO THIS COULD BE THOSE ENTRYWAYS.
SO IF YOU WANT WE DO HAVE OTHER SIGN BLOCKER PROJECTS AND IT'S KIND OF WHERE THEY OVERLAP A LITTLE.
BUT IF YOU WANTED A NICER ENTRY WAY PERIMETER AREAS, IF YOU HAD SOMEBODY BUILD A GAZEBO BEFORE IN THEIR NEIGHBOR COMMUNITY AREA, THAT WAS A NICE ONE.
CERTAIN FENCING, AREAS WE'VE HAD AS WELL, TREE PLANTING, LANDSCAPING, SIGNAGE, EQUIPMENT, DECORATIVE STRUCTURES, BENCHES.
WE'VE HAD SOME OF THOSE AND BENCHES TRYING TO MAKE AREA MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOCUSED AND THEN PUBLIC SAFETY PROGRAMS. SO WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYONE DO THIS ONE YET.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOVE TO SEE SOMEBODY WHO COULD MAKE A PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING, CRIME, FIRE PREVENTION PROGRAM, TRAFFIC OR COMMON PROJECTS OR STUDIES BICYCLE GROUP THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THIS.
NUMBER THREE, CULTURAL, EDUCATIONAL AND RECREATIONAL PROGRAMS, INCLUDING LITERACY PROGRAM, LEADERSHIP TRAINING, COMPUTER LABS, AS I MENTIONED, AFTER SCHOOL ENRICHMENT PROGRAM, CULTURAL ART PROGRAM.
SUMMER CAMP NUMBER FOUR, NEIGHBORHOOD MASTER PLAN FOR COMPARABLE STUDIES.
AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T ANYONE TO DO THAT ONE YET, BUT ALWAYS LOOKING FOR NEW THINGS.
THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA IT DIDN'T FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY, THAT IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE.
THIS IS JUST WHAT WE KIND OF COULD THINK OF PROJECT CRITERIA.
SO PROVIDING A LONG TERM PUBLIC BENEFIT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOCATED ON A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE SO THE RIGHT OF WAY COMMON AREA.
SO HE WAS ALWAYS HAVE COMMON AREAS THAT THEIR MEMBERS ALL CAN GET INTO HAVE DEMONSTRATED NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT.
THIS COULD BE A SURVEY FROM YOUR COMMUNITY FACEBOOK PAGE WHERE YOU SHOW THE RESULTS.
YOU CAN HAVE A HANDWRITTEN DOCUMENTS SHOW AND EVERYONE'S SUPPORT, MEETINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT, COMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
SO WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT SOMETHING THAT HURTS ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF YOU HAVE A HUGE SIGN OR SOMETHING THAT HAS LIGHTS ON IT AND THEY'RE PLAYING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW DIRECTLY INVOLVED NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS IN ALL PHASES.
SO WE LOVE THE MATCHING TIME AND WHEN IT'S A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEMBERS, BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE ALL INVESTED IN THE PROJECT AS WELL, WHICH IS THE GOAL FOR THIS DIRECTLY INVOLVED.
NUMBER SIX, HAVE GOALS THAT MAY BE TYPICALLY ACCOMPLISHED WITHIN 12 MONTHS OR LESS.
SO WE DO WANT IT TO BE COMPLETE A PROJECT FROM BEGINNING TO END WITHIN A YEAR, MOSTLY BECAUSE THAT'S OUR BUDGET RESTRAINT.
SO IF YOU APPLIED RIGHT NOW WE WANT IT DONE BEFORE OCTOBER.
NOW, IF IT GOES PAST THAT, YOU GO FOR REIMBURSEMENT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA COME OUT OF THE NEXT YEAR'S FUNDING BECAUSE WE'RE FISCALLY FUNDED. OCTOBER.
OCTOBER 7TH MUST DEMONSTRATE APPROPRIATE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE.
SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CARE FOR IT, TAKE CARE OF IT.
AND THEN BE WITHIN THE CITY'S LEGAL AUTHORITY AND WITH THE EXISTING CITY OF DENTON POLICIES AND CODES.
SP OBVIOUSLY IN THAT COMMUNITY, IT NEEDS TO BE WITHIN OUR ACTUAL JURISDICTION.
YOU DO HAVE A BOARD THAT WE ASSEMBLE.
SO THERE'S A BOARD THAT WE CALL TO ORDER.
WE NEED IT, AND THEY REVIEW ALL OF THE APPLICANTS, AND THEN THEY'LL MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY MANAGER.
AND THE CITY MANAGER GIVES THE ACTUAL FINAL APPROVAL ON THIS GRANT.
THIS JUST BREAKS DOWN THE EXAMPLES DISQUALIFICATION OF FUNDING DENIAL.
SO GRANT APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED AFTER LINE REQUIRED.
ORIGINAL PLEDGED VOLUNTEER SIGNATURES ARE NOT SUBMITTED.
SO ESSENTIALLY IF YOU FAIL TO COMPLETE THE APPLICATION IN ITS ENTIRETY, YOU WOULDN'T QUALIFY.
IF YOUR PROJECT DOES NOT GO ACCORDING TO PLAN.
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DEADLINES MILESTONES COULD PUT THE JEOPARDY! WE DO APPROVE IT AS A BEFORE.BEFORE THE PROJECT HAPPENS, WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT.
IF WE GIVE THE APPROVAL, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN THEN PROCEED.
THEY HAVE TO FULLY SPEND ALL THE FUNDS BE ABLE TO THE PROJECT ON THEIR OWN.
THEN THEY CAN SUBMIT IT FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT PART.
MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A DTV DONE TELEVISION VIDEO FOR THE COMPUTER LAB ONE OR SPEAK UP JUST A BIT.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO ON TO APPLICATION.
SO EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO APPLY, WE WILL WALK THEM THROUGH THE REQUIREMENTS.
WE WILL HELP THEM WITH THE APPLICATION.
WE LITERALLY WILL HANDHOLD YOU ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS.
YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD KNOWS WHAT IS REQUIRED OF YOU.
YOU'VE EVEN HELPED POINT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GET A ORGANIZATION FOR THEM.
THERE'S AN APPEAL PROCESS FOR WHATEVER REASON.
IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE DECISION GRANT PROGRAM DECISION TO, THERE WE GO.
SO HERE'S OUR FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THAT.
ONCE A YEAR. SO OCTOBER 1ST IS 30TH.
AND THEN HOW DO I ACCESS FUNDS ALLOCATED TO THE PROJECT UPON PRIOR APPROVAL FROM THE CITY MANAGER AND COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT OR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROGRAM? NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS OR PROJECT PARTNERS THAT HAVE FEDERAL TAX ID NUMBER MAY RECEIVE A CHECK IN THE AMOUNT OF THE GRANT TO BE DEPOSITED INTO THE ORGANIZATION'S BANK ACCOUNT, SO WE PAY VIA A CHECK AFTER EVERYTHING WAS COMPLETED AND VERIFIED BY. IS MY APPLICATION NOT APPROVED? WE DO GIVE FEEDBACK.
SO IF YOUR APPLICATION WAS MISSING SOMETHING, IF THE COMMITTEE FELT THAT IT WAS CLOSE BUT YOU KNOW NOT WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR, WILL GIVE THAT FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANT SO THAT NEXT YEAR THEY CAN APPLY WITH A STRONGER APPLICATION.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DO THE PROJECT AFTER HAVING BEEN APPROVED AND THEN THEY SUBMIT REIMBURSEMENT AND THAT'S CORRECT.
IT SAID IT HAS THEY HAVE TO HAVE A FEDERAL ID.
SO IT HAS TO BE A ORGANIZED GROUP.
CORRECT? CORRECT, CORRECT. OKAY.
WHICH THEN THEY ALSO HAVE TO HAVE FUNDING.
SO IF YOU JUST HAVE ONE MEMBER WHO'S GOT A CREDIT CARD WITH 20,000 PEOPLE AND THEY'RE READY TO ROCK AND ROLL, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO IT THAT WAY.
BUT YES, TYPICALLY YOU HAVE TO BE AN ORGANIZED GROUP.
YOU HAVE TO REGISTER AND ACTUALLY HAVE YOUR TAX ID, I HAVEN'T HAD YEAH.
AND WE DO A LOT OF PARTNERSHIPS.
SO WHILE YOU CAN'T BE A GOVERNMENT ASSOCIATION, YOU CAN'T BE A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION.
THE LIST OF NONEXEMPT IS PRETTY LONG.
YOU COULD PARTNER WITH ALL THE NON ACCEPTED.
SO IF A GROUP MAYBE DOESN'T HAVE THE FUNDING OR THE RESOURCES THEY CAN PARTNER WITH, SAY A CHURCH, AND THAT CHURCH CAN HELP LEAD THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS, POTENTIALLY EVEN PAY FOR FUNDING OR VOLUNTEERS.
BUT THE PERSON WHO SPEAKS WITH THE CITY AND LEADS UP THIS PROJECT DOESN'T NEED TO BE PART OF THAT ORGANIZATION, NOT FROM THE CHURCH.
SO IS IT SAFE TO SAY OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS WOULDN'T QUALIFY? SO IF YOU HAD AN ASSOCIATION THAT CAME TOGETHER AND PARTNERED WITH THE PRESERVATION GROUP, THEY COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN A GENERAL AREA.
SO IF YOU HAD MAYBE A CASINO THAT WAS 45 YEARS OLD, THEY WANTED TO GET SAVED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME TOGETHER AS A AS WELL. LIKE THE JOHN ME GROUP. RIGHT.
SO THAT NAME SO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, YOU COULD CREATE ONE.
AND THEN JUST SOME ELIGIBLE PROJECTS AGAIN COMMUNITY FESTIVALS, COMMUNITY HEALTH TRAFFIC SAFETY, SENIOR PROGRAM, YOUTH NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS AND RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
PUBLIC ART AMENITY, NEIGHBORHOOD SIGNAGE, EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM.
SINCE THERE'S WOMEN STARTING STARTED, I'LL JUST ASK YOU THIS HYPOTHETICAL.
WHAT ABOUT WHAT IF YOU HAVE A DISTRICT IN DENTON IS TRYING TO START A COMMUNITY GROUP THAT IS TRYING TO DEVELOP A MARKET.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO CREATE LIKE A MINI MARKET, AND THEY'VE ALREADY THIS LAST YEAR PUT UP LIKE A POP UP MARKET.
SO IT ALREADY KIND OF HAPPENED IN A WAY. OKAY.
SO THAT WOULD DEFINITELY GROUP A CONCEPT THAT WOULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT QUALIFIES
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AS A COMMUNITY EVENT OR NEIGHBORHOOD AMENITY.THE PROBLEM THERE WOULD BE IS IT FREE FOOD? IS IT FREE CARD IF THEY'RE CHARGING AND THEY'RE MAKING A PROFIT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY DISALLOW IT.
I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THIS LIST.
BUT ALSO THE THERE WAS A SIMILAR PAGE EARLIER THAT BROKE THINGS INTO CATEGORIES.
SO WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PUT SOMETHING HISTORIC ON THERE.
WOULD THAT BE MEMORIALIZATION OR PRESERVATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF SORT OF MEETING THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS AND NOT LIKE PUTTING A PLAQUE ON MY HOUSE.
BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD COULD COUNT AS SIGNAGE PROGRAMS COUNT TOWARDS SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SO SIGNAGE PROGRAMS ARE ON HERE AND THESE ARE THE ONLY ELIGIBLE ONES.
THESE ARE JUST AGAIN WITH THE CITY.
I'M JUST THINKING JUST IN ORDER TO SORT OF MAKE IT, MAKE PEOPLE MORE AWARE THAT SOMETHING IS IF THAT CAN BE ADDED TO ANY OF THIS DOCUMENTATION, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
WE ARE ACTUALLY ACTIVELY REVIEWING FOR UPDATES, CHAPTER 14 NEP PROGRAM, SO WE WILL POTENTIALLY BE REVISING IT HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
SO IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING I'LL PUT IN THERE.
YOU SAID THAT THE FUNDS WERE AT 30 K THIS YEAR.
SO PREVIOUSLY EVERY YEAR WAS 50,000.
DO THEY USUALLY GET FULLY USED? NO.
LAST YEAR WE DIDN'T USE ANY OF THE YEAR BEFORE IT WAS TEN YEAR BEFORE IT WAS TEN.
I THINK IS IT LIKE A IS IT LIKE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT.
THEY JUST DON'T GET THEIR STUFF TOGETHER? OR IS IT LIKE A AN AWARENESS ISSUE AROUND THE PROGRAM? PART OF IT WAS AWARENESS.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ACTIVELY MARKET IT VERY WELL CURRENTLY, BUT IT'S ALSO BECAUSE OF THE GROUPS.
A LOT OF THE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS, THE RESOURCES.
SO THAT WAS PART OF THE ROADBLOCK.
DIDN'T HAVE ANY FUNDS TO PAY FOR IT UP FRONT RATHER.
YEAH. CAN YOU MATCH THE FULL AMOUNT IN VOLUNTEER HOURS OR DOES YOU CAN'T.
SO IF YOU ASK FOR THE 10,000, YOU'D HAVE TO MATCH 10,000 AN HOUR'S, WHICH YOU CAN.
SO THEN AFTER YOU'VE SPENT 10,000 OF DOLLARS AND YOU MATCH WITH THE $10,000 EQUIVALENT HOURS, YOU WOULD REQUEST $10,000 FROM THE CITY.
WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHAT THE COMPUTER LAB, IT'S $1,000 AN HOUR.
IT SHOWED THEIR VOLUNTEER HOURS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GREAT QUESTIONS. YEAH.
I JUST IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT'S LIMITED TO JUST A JOKE OR SOMEONE HAVING TO COME TOGETHER.
AND THAT'S WHY I SPECIFICALLY ABOUT OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
BECAUSE OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE NOT A JOKE.
YET THEY'RE GOVERNED BY THE CITY.
HOA IS NOT, BUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
SO I'M TALKING ABOUT A ARE NOT BUT HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE.
YES, BUT THERE COULD BE A FRIENDS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT COULD ORGANIZE IN ORDER TO SUPPORT.
AND YOU'RE ALREADY GOVERNED BY THE CITY, AND NOW YOU WANT TO DO ANOTHER ON TOP OF THAT, AND NOW YOU'RE GOVERNED BY.
ANOTHER GROUP, REMEMBER ABOUT TWO GROUPS.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHY I SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THIS UNLESS THEY COME TOGETHER.
BUT YET IT WOULD BE IT'D BE HARD TO DO.
YOU COULD DO IT, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE HOA HAVE TO HAVE RULES AND GUIDELINES THAT THEY'D HAVE TO FALL UNDER THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT WHICH THEY'RE ALREADY UNDER. RIGHT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THEN THE ASSOCIATION DOESN'T QUALIFY AS A GOVERNING BODY, DOES IT? I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, RIGHT? THAT'S. YEAH. IT'S LIKE A FRIEND ZONE. YEAH.
AND SINCE THEY ARE INCORPORATED 501 C3, THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE.
YEAH, BUT YOU SAID THEY HAD TO BE IN THE SAME AREA.
SO THE PROJECT HAS TO BE IN THAT RIGHT WAY OR ORGANIZATIONS AREA.
SO YOU'D HAVE KIND OF THAT GREATER OAK HISTORY.
THAT'S A HICKORY AREA THAT'S SERVED BY THE FRIENDS OF.
IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, WHICH MIGHT NOT BE, BUT I THINK THAT'S GOOD.
I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S WHY YOU DO HAVE SHEET OFF GROUPS LIKE THAT, COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT ARE THEY'RE ALSO BEHOLDEN AS AN ENTITY UNDER ONE SET OF RULES.
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BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU'LL CREATE A COMMUNITY GROUP OR FRIENDS OF GROUP.AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT MAKES THEM ELIGIBLE FOR DIFFERENT RANGES OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR GRANTS, INCENTIVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN ORDER TO SERVE YOUR CHANCE.
YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS PICKING AT HERE, LIKE A COMMUNITY FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER THAN FOR A SCHOOL.
AND LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A GROUP THAT'S UP IN NORTH, NORTHWEST DENTON THAT'S TRYING TO GET SOMETHING STARTED OVER THERE.
BUT AROUND NORTH LAKES AND AND.
YEAH, JUST JUST TRYING TO GET ENOUGH PEOPLE INVOLVED BECAUSE IT'S NOT A HOA SITUATION.
THERE'S NO LARGER GOVERNING THING.
THEY'RE JUST KIND OF TRYING TO GRASSROOTS IT AND CREATE SOME TYPE OF MARKET THAT'S UP THERE IN THAT AREA.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE SAME COULD BE SAID FOR HISTORIC AREAS.
I MEAN, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, LIKE THE WALKER ROUNDS THAT WE HAVE AND SPONSOR LIKE THAT, WELL, IMAGINE HAVING A GROUP THAT DECIDES THAT THEY WANT TO CARRY THAT ON AND DO THAT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT ANNUALLY.
I MEAN, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE A LOT OF VALUE IN TERMS OF CREATING AND CONTINUING THE KIND OF COMMUNITY AWARENESS THAT'S LIKE, HEY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT GREAT PRESENTATION OR NO.
OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM FOR B NUMBER HLC 250 FIVE MINUTES ON THE PRESENTATION.
I NOTICED THAT THE CITY OF PRESERVATION SPLASH PAGE HAS RESOURCES RELATED TO TAX CREDITS FOR THE CITY, STATE, FEDERAL LEVEL WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO ADD A LINK TO RESOURCES TO THE THREE PROGRAMS WERE DISCUSSED.
TODAY IS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, YOU KNOW, HEY, IF YOU'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY MAINTAINING, REPAIRING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, A PROPERTY, CHECK OUT THESE CITIES NETWORK PROGRAMS. OH, ADDING THAT TO THE HLC PAGE. YEAH YEAH.
NO, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. OKAY.
SO I, A WEBSITE ACCESS IS NOW. ON.
IT SOUNDS LIKE BOTH CENTERS SAID THAT AWARENESS OF THE PROGRAMS WAS SOMETHING OF A BARRIER.
SO OKAY. THAT'S A YES. THAT'S THAT'S GREAT.
THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING LIKE THIS COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD ALSO BE A TALKING PIECE.
IN ADDITION TO TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE RIGHT TO TO THINK ABOUT HISTORICALLY PRESERVING THEIR HOME.
BECAUSE I RAN INTO THIS A LOT, MR..
I'M LIKE, I'M GOING TO COME SEE YOU AGAIN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PRESENTATION? OKAY.
NOW WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM FOR B NUMBER HLC 25052.
[B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on the potential for a new local historic district generally located along the N Elm Street and N Locust Street corridors between W McKinney Street and W University Drive (U.S. 380).]
WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE A REPORT HOLD A DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON THE POTENTIAL FOR A NEW LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG NORTH ELM STREET AND NORTH LOCUST STREET CORRIDORS BETWEEN WEST MCKINNEY STREET AND WEST UNIVERSITY.SO THIS WAS A MATRIX ITEM FROM A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THAT, THE COMMISSION WAS INTERESTED IN PURSUING, OR AT LEAST HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT.
SO THE LOCATION AS SHADED FROM THE CHAIR IS GENERALLY BETWEEN WEST UNIVERSITY DRIVE US 380 AND WEST MCKINNEY STREET ALONG THE NORTH NORTH ELM AND NORTH LOCUST STREET CORRIDORS.
AND THEN ALL THE WAY UP THERE.
SO OUR GIS TEAM, TOOK EVERY PROPERTY, BECAUSE IT WAS THAT THERE'S EVERY PROPERTY KIND OF FACING BOTH OF THOSE CORRIDORS.
AND WE DETERMINED THAT BASED OFF THAT HISTORICALLY ELIGIBLE STRUCTURES MAP, THERE'S 110 HISTORICALLY ELIGIBLE STRUCTURES CURRENTLY ON THAT SITE FROM PAST SURVEYS, AS WELL AS CURRENTLY FOUR DENTON HISTORIC LANDMARKS.
BUT THERE'S NO STATE OR NATIONAL LANDMARKS ON THIS COURSE.
SO LOOKING JUST AT THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE, AS WELL AS STATE CODE, A DESIGNATION FOR AN AREA OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT CAN BE INITIATED BY THE HLC.
OR IT CAN BE DONE BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND IF THE PROPERTY OWNERS PURSUE THIS DESIGNATION, THEN THEY HAVE TO DO A WRITTEN PETITION OF THE SIGNATURES OF MORE THAN 50% OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN THAT PROPOSED DISTRICT, WHO COLLECT MORE THAN 50% OF THAT LAND.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO OUR DEBT AND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE ALSO HAVE TO INCLUDE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, SPECIFICALLY THIS SECTION TO 11.
SO THE STATE REQUIRES PROPERTY OWNER CONSENT FOR DESIGNATION OR INCLUSION.
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IF THE OWNER DOES NOT GIVE CONSENT TO BE A PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND WE HAVE TO RECEIVE THREE FOURTHS VOTE FROM CITY COUNCIL, AS WELL AS PLANNING AND ZONING OR THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION.IT'S AN OR SITUATION HERE. YES. BUT OKAY.
SO IF OWNERS DON'T CONSENT IS THERE A IT CALLS FOR A THREE FOURTHS VOTE FOR CITY COUNCIL.
WHAT ABOUT THE OWNERS. HOW MANY? IS THERE A PERCENTAGE OF OWNERS? I MEAN 100%, 80%.
YEAH, IT'S JUST THAT 50% SIGNATURES. YEAH.
BUT MORE THAN SO 51%, 5,251% IN THAT.
BUT THE THREE FOURTHS WOULD COME DIRECTLY FROM CITY COUNCIL PLANS OWNING.
AND THEN PLANNING ZONING OR HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION OKAY.
IF THERE WERE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THAT DISTRICT WHO WERE MAYBE TAKING UP TO 30%, BUT THEY STILL WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THRUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTED THEM INCLUDED, THEN THAT'S WHERE THIS VOTE WOULD COME IN.
SO WHAT WAS THE ROUND NUMBER AGAIN? I'M SORRY.
HISTORICALLY ELIGIBLE BASED OFF PAST MAGIC NUMBER.
NO NO NO I, I WAS LIKE I GOT 110.
AND THEN I REALIZED WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ELIGIBLE STRUCTURES.
YES, BUT IT'S NOT 50% OF THE 110 IS IT.
IT'S 50% OF ALL OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE WHOLE THING.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT THESE HAVE ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED BY PAST HISTORICAL SURVEYS TO BE HISTORIC.
SO I ASSUME DISD PROPERTIES ARE EXEMPT, LIKE WE CAN'T TOUCH THEM OR WHATEVER.
YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE OLD MACRO CONCEPTION INCLUDED IN THAT LIST.
SO STAFF DID REMOVE ANY VACANT PARCELS, DISD JUST BECAUSE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.
SO ANY PARCELS FOR LONG DID YOU DECIDE OR THAT WERE ALREADY VACANT WERE REMOVED AND THEN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
BUT THIS IS NOT A HISTORIC STRUCTURE OR IT USED TO BE, BUT IT'S BEEN HEAVILY REMODELED.
SO I PROVIDED YOU ALL A FEW OPTIONS JUST SO THAT TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON KIND OF HOW TO PROCEED WITH THIS TOPIC.
SO THAT FIRST OPTION WAS A HISTORIC LANDMARK WERE IS TO PURSUE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION FOR THE AREA.
SO JUST BREAKING DOWN, YOU ALL WOULD ESSENTIALLY GO THROUGH THE NORMAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS OF CREATING A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
YOU JUST WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THE PETITION PORTION.
OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED AS THE NOTES HERE, INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD STILL NEED TO BE CONSULTED AND PROVIDE THEIR CONSENT, BUT IF THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE THEIR CONSENT AND HLC SO WANTED TO PURSUE IT, THAT'S WHEN THAT THREE FOURTHS MAJORITY SUPERMAJORITY VOTE WOULD COME IN.
OPTION TWO HLC TO REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA TO DISCUSS THEIR INTEREST AND DESIGNATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS AN HISTORIC DISTRICT AND HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS PURSUE THE DESTINATION.
SO IF YOU ALL HAVE THE DISCUSSION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE ELM AND LOCUS AREA BETWEEN MCKINNEY AND UNIVERSITY, AND YOU GET A RESOUNDING, OKAY, LIKE, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO DO THIS, THEN THEY WOULD FOLLOW THE ESSENTIALLY THE EXACT SAME PROCESS.
YOU ALL WOULD BE FALLING, BUT THEY WOULD ALSO NEED TO GET THOSE SIGNATURES.
I CAN WE STEP BACK TO OPTION WHAT I'M TRYING TO.
SO WHEN WE'RE REFERRING TO THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD STILL NEED TO BE CONSULTED AND PROVIDE THEIR CONSENT.
IS THAT STILL THE 50% THRESHOLD OR IS THAT THAT'S INDIVIDUALLY INDIVIDUAL? OKAY.
AND SO THEN IF THEY IF AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER DOES NOT APPROVE, THEN THAT WOULD GO BEFORE COUNCIL AND EVEN PLANNING AND ZONING OR ELSE.
OKAY. CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT I DO.
PROPERTY OWNERS WANT TO PURSUE THE DESIGNATION.
BUT THEN THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO THAT PETITION FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND THEN ONCE AGAIN SUPER MAJORITY VOTE WILL BE TRIGGERED IF THE PROPERTY OWNERS DO NOT CONSENT TO THE PROPERTY'S CONCLUSION.
IF SOME PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO BE INCLUDED, BUT ARE BEING REQUIRED TO BE PART OF THAT BOUNDARY, THAT'S YOUR MAJORITY WOULD STILL STEP IN.
BUT IT'S JUST PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE TO DO THE ADDITIONAL PETITION.
AND THEN THIRD OPTION, HLC TO NOT PURSUE THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION NOR DISCUSSIONS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. YES.
SO THIS IS A QUESTION FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO OFFER FEEDBACK.
BUT I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT IN THAT AREA.
I'M LESS FAMILIAR WITH THE HUMAN ELEMENT.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS A HAS A SENSE OF ITSELF AS A COMMUNITY THAT SELF-IDENTIFIES IN THE SAME WAY THAT, OKAY, EVEN SOUTHBRIDGE DOES.
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OR IS THIS JUST A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AN ARBITRARY.I MEAN, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S LIKE MANY ARE NOW OFFICES OR COMMERCIAL, MANY OF THOSE.
IT'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES IN LIKE HISTORIC HOMES OR AND SO IT'S NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CLASSIC WARM, FUZZY SENSE OF THE TERM.
SO I MEAN, BUT THAT BUT TO ME, THAT'S WHAT THIS KIND OF CAPTURES IS KIND OF THE ONCE UPON A TIME THIS OF IT.
BECAUSE THOSE TWO MAIN CORRIDORS.
CENTRAL CONNECTIVE TISSUE AND THRIVE AND LITERAL COMMUNITY CONNECTIVE TISSUE TO LIKE THE CITY.
SO IN THAT SENSE AMAZING ARCHITECTURE IN THERE.
AND THEN AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF JUST HIDDEN GEMS IN THERE I KNOW.
FIREHOUSE. YEAH. OLD FIREHOUSE.
THEN THERE'S THE OLD THE OLD ROCK MOTOR COURT.
YES. THAT'S TOUCH AWAY IN THERE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF WHAT WAS ONCE WAS A A CAR DEALERSHIP.
INCLUDE THAT THOUGH RIGHT. CORRECT.
THAT IT WOULD STOP IN MCKINNEY.
I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW THE OTHER, HISTORIC AREAS WERE BROUGHT ABOUT.
WAS IT FROM THE COMMISSION OR WAS IT FROM THE COMMUNITY? THE COMMUNITY? YES, YES, YES.
AND I WILL BE HONEST, IT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT STAFF CANNOT RUN, BECAUSE I'M NOT PART OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO IT REALLY DOES HAVE TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD DRIVEN.
AND THAT'S WHY THE CODE IS WRITTEN AS IS, THAT IT HAS TO BE LED BY THE COMMISSION OR THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, NOT SPECIFICALLY THE HBO, BECAUSE THEN WE GET INTO ETHICS ISSUES THERE WITH ME MAKING DECISIONS FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THAT'S WHY THE CODES WRITTEN AS IS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PREFACE WHY MAYBE YOU'RE NOT SEEING ME COMING INTO THIS AT ALL.
AND IT'S VERY MUCH A LOT OF LIKE, OH, THE COMMISSION HAS TO DO THIS OR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S BECAUSE OF JUST THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF, ETHICAL, QUESTIONING THAT COMES INTO PLAY.
SO IF YOU GO BACK TO OPTION ONE.
YES. AND PERSONALLY I LEAN TO THIS AND HERE'S WHY.
I HAVE HAD REPEATED CALLS AND EVEN LAST WEEK ON ANOTHER STREET, REALLY WANTING TO SEARCH OUT TO BECOME A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS EVERYBODY WANTS SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT.
THEY WANT IT, BUT THEY DON'T WANT.
AND THEY CALL ME. AND I DON'T LIVE ON THAT STREET. RIGHT? SO THEY CALLED ME.
AND SAME WAY HERE I CAN'T DO I DON'T LIVE ON THAT STREET.
AND I KNOW AND I REALLY DID KNOW.
AND I GUESS LET ME JUST CORRECT, I GUESS WHAT I WAS SAYING, I CAN BE THERE FOR EDUCATIONAL ASSISTANCE, BUT I HAVE ALSO HAD PEOPLE SAY, CAN YOU DO MY NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT FOR ME? RIGHT, RIGHT RIGHT, RIGHT.
NO, NO, I CAN'T DETERMINE WHY YOU THINK IT'S SIGNIFICANT, WHY YOU THINK THIS IS A REASON TO PRESERVE IT.
IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN A HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER COMES TO TO ME OR YOU ALL, YOU KNOW, SAID THE LETTER, AND THEY SAY, HEY, I'M INTERESTED IN PURSUING IT.
THAT'S MUCH EASIER BECAUSE IT'S ONE INDIVIDUAL I'M DEALING WITH ONE PROPERTY OWNER, AND THEY'RE TELLING ME WHY THEY THINK IT'S SIGNIFICANT AND THEY'RE GIVING ME THAT APPLICATION.
NEIGHBORHOOD IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SCALE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY OTHER CRITERIA THAT COME INTO PLAY THAT IT REALLY IS DIFFICULT FOR STAFF TO PLAY ANY TYPE OF ROLE BESIDES EDUCATIONAL, AS TO WHY THEY WANT TO PURSUE IT OR END UP PURSUING IT.
BUT YOU COULD GUIDE US THROUGH THIS. CORRECT.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON IS I'M WONDERING IF WE WOULD GET IF WE COULD POSSIBLY GET MORE INTEREST IN NEIGHBORHOODS BECOMING DESIGNATED, HISTORIC DISTRICTS IF WE WERE TO PUT IN MORE OF THE WORK.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS ONE WOULD BE LIKE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'LL KNOW UNTIL WE TRY.
WELL, I'M THINKING A LOT ALONG THE LINES.
BECAUSE MY FIRST INSTINCT, OF COURSE, WAS OPTION ONE IS I MEAN, HLC, WE CAN KIND OF GET THE BALL ROLLING, BUT WE NEED WITHIN THAT AREA, WE NEED FIVE STAKEHOLDERS WHO ARE WILLING TO SEE WHAT I MEAN.
I NEED YOU AND I HATE TO TELL YOU TO FORM A COMMITTEE, BUT I'M ABOUT TO TELL YOU TO FORM A COMMITTEE, AND I GET TOGETHER, AND THAT WAY YOU AT LEAST HAVE SOME TIME.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE USING YOUR WORK AS SOMEBODY WHO IS IN THAT DISTRICT TO CARRY THIS FORWARD NOW, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO CAUSE TO ME, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A REASONABLE DEMAND.
IF IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK THIS COMMISSION AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK STAFF TO HELP
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SHERPA THIS TO A POINT WHERE IT COULD DEVELOP, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME ASSURANCE THAT THERE'S SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN SUSTAINABILITY.SO I WAS TALKING ABOUT IT LIKE AN OPTION 1.5. YES.
WELL IT'S OPTION MAYBE BUYING.
OKAY I, I, I, I FEEL A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE SORT OF IMPOSING IT WITHOUT ANY COMMUNITY OR NEIGHBORHOOD INTEREST.
WELL, THAT'S I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO CANVASS THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST IN GENERAL TO KIND OF SEE IF I PEOPLE I ALREADY KNOW THREE ENTITIES IN THAT DISTRICT, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO APPROACH AND SAY, WELL, RIGHT.
BUT I MEAN, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO END UP LOOKING AT ME AND BE LIKE, OH, YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS FOR US, RIGHT? THE SAME WAY THAT THEY DO CAMERA.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M HERE TO SUPPORT BIG HUGS, RIGHT? AND I'M HERE FOR YOU, BUT I CAN'T.
RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S YOUR AREA.
SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF LIKE BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SUSTAINABLE.
IF, I MEAN, WE CAN GIVE IT THE DESIGNATION.
ALL THAT WHAT YOU DO THEN WHAT HAPPENS WITH IT? NOT A THING. RIGHT? RIGHT.
IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING UNLESS THEY'RE GOING TO MEAN SOMETHING.
SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY IT'S I'M JUST THINKING IN TERMS OF LIKE, SUSTAINABILITY THAT IF.
YES, I MEAN, I, I'M LEANING TOWARDS OPTION ONE FOR THE SAKE, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS A.
YEAH, BUT THERE WAS A MIX BETWEEN OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO.
SO OPTION TWO IS HLC TO REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO DISCUSS INTEREST, TO KIND OF GATHER THAT INTEREST.
BUT THEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD PURSUE IT.
MY PROBLEM OPTION TO WELL IN MY IDEAL WORLD THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE BEST OPTION.
BUT PART OF THE REASON THAT I ASKED MY FIRST QUESTION WAS TO KIND OF GAUGE HOW MUCH OF A COMMUNITY, HOW MUCH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD COULD GENERATE ITS OWN SELF INITIATIVE IN THIS REGARD.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE EVEN IF THEY'RE ELIGIBLE TO SUPPORT OF IT, THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AND DRIVE IT FORWARD ON THEIR OWN BUSINESS IDEA.
HOW MANY OF THEM ARE OWNER OCCUPIED, OR AT LEAST LOCALLY OWNED? LIKE I ASSUME JUST FROM BEING HERE A LONG TIME AND SEEING THE SAME BUSINESSES AND MANY OF THOSE STRUCTURES THAT AT LEAST A GOOD CHUNK OF THEM ARE OWNED BY THE BUSINESSES OR WHOEVER, YOU KNOW.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME THAT BECAUSE YOU JUST NEVER KNOW.
I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE SOME RESIDENCES IN THAT, BUT BUT A PRETTY SMALL PERCENTAGE.
THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A DIVERSELY MIXED USE.
IT IS. RIGHT? I MEAN, WE HAVE FROM DENTIST OFFICE TO INSURANCE INDUSTRY DOWN THERE, THE MAKER SPACE NOW.
I, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT I MOVED THERE. YEAH.
I MEAN, WHILE YOU'RE RIGHT THERE, KIM AND I HAVE A QUESTION AND I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THIS TO DEATH, BUT, CAN YOU HUMOR ME AND JUST KIND OF GIVE ME A SENSE OF WHY, INCLUDING JUST THAT ONE BUILDING WITHIN THE DIOCESE PROPERTY WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO.
I'M SURE YOU HAVE ANY REASON FOR IT.
WELL, THE ONE RIGHT JUST SOUTH OF IT.
YEAH, JUST THE JUST THE CHAPEL. I DON'T.
NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE REST OF THE STILL INTACT ON THE EXTERIOR.
AND THAT WAS LIKE, PART OF THE DEAL THAT THE DESK MADE WITH THE CHURCH WHEN THEY SOLD IT WAS THAT THEY WOULD KEEP IT INTACT.
SO IS THE ISD ORIGINAL ADMIN BUILDING.
SAY THAT AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL ADMIN BUILDING, TOO.
I COULD SEE THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT.
YEAH, I WORRY ABOUT THE CHURCH, BUT YEAH, YOU COULD CERTAINLY HOLD CENTRAL SERVICES.
YOU COULD CERTAINLY JUSTIFY IT.
SO THEY OWN THAT PARCEL AS A WHOLE.
SO BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THEM.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONSENT TO IT, UNILATERALLY.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONSENT TO IT.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT WE COULDN'T JUST STATE THIS PORTION OF THEIR PARCEL AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ORDINANCE CREATED THAT SUPPORTED WITH A BOUNDARY, RIGHT? WHEN THIS, YOU KNOW, IF THIS DESIGNATION WERE TO GO THROUGH FOR A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR EVEN A CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
SO IT'S NOT THAT IT COULDN'T HAPPEN.
IT WAS JUST EASIER FOR STAFF RIGHT NOW TO NOT INCLUDE IT FORWARD.
YOU KNOW, IF IT DOES END UP BECOMING A THING, I WOULD LOVE FOR SOMEONE TO AT LEAST HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT OR WHOEVER WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THAT.
THEY MAY SAY NO, RIGHT? THEY DON'T WANT US CONTROLLING THEIR PROPERTY OR WHATEVER.
BUT MAYBE THIS IS. YEAH. YES, I'M GOING TO ASK A QUESTION.
I DON'T I KIND OF THE INTERPRET THEM. OKAY.
SO IF YOU PULL THE MAP DOWN AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN DO THAT, BUT RIGHT ACROSS UNIVERSITY.
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I CAN DO YOU WANT ME TO PULL UP LIKE ON GOOGLE MAPS? WOULD THAT BE MORE HELPFUL? YES, YES. OKAY.BUT WHAT IT IS, IS WOODLAND IS THE ONE THAT KEEPS CALLING ME.
SO GO TOWARDS UNIVERSITY PLEASE.
OH SORRY. OKAY I KEEP GOING UNIVERSITY.
ALL THIS IS THE WHOLE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UP TO UNIVERSITY.
CORRECT. YES. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.
SO IF YOU KEEP GOING TO UNIVERSITY, THEY GO. KEEP GOING ON. RIGHT.
DO YOU SEE THAT STREET RIGHT THERE.
IT'S JUST THAT CLOSE THAT CELEBRATES BECAUSE BELL AVENUE IS ALREADY HISTORIC DISTRICT.
BUT ALL THE WAY DOWN WOODLAND IS WHERE I'M GETTING THE PHONE CALLS.
ANYWAY, AT THE UNIVERSITY, YES.
THERE ARE SO MANY HISTORIC THERE ARE THAT COULD BE THAT COULD BE DESIGNATION.
SO I FEEL LIKE I'D LIKE TO START WITH ONE IN HOPES THAT OTHERS WOULD JOIN IN, WHETHER THEY JOIN ONE.
WOODLAND HAS SAID THEY'D LIKE TO JOIN BELL AVENUE.
THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER DISCUSSION, RIGHT? FOR SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, THEY WHEN THEY WERE DOING BELL AVENUE, THEY TALKED TO A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE.
AND I MEAN, THEY DIDN'T COME ON BOARD.
YEAH, BUT THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
YOU THINK IT'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THAT? YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO SAUL, TOO, ISN'T IT? YEAH.
AND THERE'S SOME WONDERFUL OLD HOUSES ON SOUL THAT I REALLY COULDN'T DO THAT.
SO IF THE HOMEOWNERS ARE INTERESTED.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT A GOOD OPTION IS BECAUSE I'M WITH YOU.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE HOMEOWNERS BUY IN TO WANT TO DO IT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE THE VALUE FOR THEM TO WANT TO DO IT.
AND I KNOW THEY NEED TO DO WORK, BUT THEY LOOK AT IT, THEY JUST LOOK LIKE IT'S A MOUNTAIN DECLINE.
AND LIKE WHAT COULD WE DO TO HELP WITH THAT.
SO MAYBE A FORM OF OPTION TOO.
SO I THINK THIS IS KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE GOING, BUT IT'S NOT QUITE HITTING THE NAIL ON THE HEAD THAT HLC HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND PROVIDING GUIDANCE, BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER KIND OF HANDHOLDING A LITTLE BIT, THE PROPERTY OWNERS JUST TO GET THEM EXCITED AND WANTING TO PURSUE THE DESIGNATION.
OR THEN I WOULD COME IN FOR MORE EDUCATIONAL DEEP DIVE I GUESS ASSISTANCE WHERE THEY NEED IF THEY HAVE LIKE HOW CAN I RESEARCH MY PROPERTY? I CAN KIND OF GUIDE THEM IN THAT CASE, BUT NOT DOING THE ACTUAL SITTING DOWN DOING THE RESEARCH FOR THEM.
I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT LIVE LIKE ON BOLIVAR AND NEIGHBORING STREETS, OLD HOUSES, AND ALL OF THEM ARE JUST DEATHLY AFRAID THAT SOME DEVELOPER IS GOING TO COME IN AND BUY EVERYTHING UP AND BUILD 25 STOREY APARTMENTS AND WHATNOT.
IS THERE A REASON WHY WE'RE EXCLUDING THESE NEIGHBORING STREETS FROM THIS? LIKE, I MEAN, TO ME, THAT'S SORT OF LIKE THAT IS STILL THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S JUST THE MORE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT RECOGNIZING AS A HISTORIC DISTRICT IS, IS IS THE KEY TO PREVENTING DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT IS PART OF LIKE BUILDING COMMUNITY IN THAT AREA.
IF THAT'S WHAT THAT COMMUNITY WAS, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO FIGHT IT OFF IS TO BUILD THAT COMMUNITY.
THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED IN WOODLAND.
YEAH, THAT'S WHY IT'S CHANGED.
SO PART OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH THAT 50% DIRECTION GETTING PEOPLE.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE YOU ABLE TO GET IN TO SAY YES IN ORDER TO TRAIN? SO, I MEAN, BECAUSE I'LL PUT MY CARDS ON THE TABLE, I THINK OPTION ONE IS THE BEST OPTION.
AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS WAY, THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION, WE CAN START THAT PROCESS AND THEN RECRUIT AND BRING ON PEOPLE ON BOARD THINKING ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO GOING TO REQUIRE MORE COMMUNITY INPUT, MORE COMMUNITY YESES.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BUT THE IDEA IS ASKING AND SOMEBODY CORRECT ME IF MY IMPRESSION IS WRONG, BUT MY IMPRESSION WHENEVER I APPROACH PEOPLE ABOUT, HEY, WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT IS THE USUAL THING THAT HAPPENS WHEN ANYONE SAYS, HEY, WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT?
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PEOPLE SAY, NO THANKS.AND LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, WITH BUSINESSES, BECAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE OF BUSINESS OWNERS OVER THERE THAT I THINK WOULD BE SUPER INTERESTED IN HAVING THIS, BUT ARE THEY WILLING TO INVEST THE TIME? THE ANSWER IS NO.
BUT WHAT IF YOU HAD SOME PARTNER? WHAT IF YOU HAD A COMMUNITY? WHAT IF YOU HAD LIKE 3 OR 4 PEOPLE WHO WOULD HOPING YOU KIND OF KEEP THIS BALL PUSHING AND CREATE SOME MOMENTUM SO THAT THIS THING BECOMES A THING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO I HAVE A REALLY QUICK QUESTION.
SO IF, IF, IF A PROPERTY OWNER IS LIKE NOT DON'T WANT THIS.
AND THEN IT WOULD ULTIMATELY HAVE TO GO BEFORE COUNCIL.
AND LET'S ASSUME THAT THERE ARE NOT THE VOTES THERE TO DO THAT.
YOU STILL HAVE THE YOU STILL HAVE THE DISTRICT THAT THEIR THEIR PROPERTY JUST ISN'T INCLUDED IN IT OR DOES IT? IF THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE EASIER WIN FOR THE COMMISSION TO GET THE DISTRICT PASSED IS TO JUST REMOVE THE PARCELS IN SUCH A WAY.
THE PARCELS WHO DON'T WANT TO, I GUESS, BE PART OF THE DISTRICT WHERE IT STILL FEELS.
SO I'M GOING TO USE THIS EXAMPLE. SO SAY SO THESE INTERIOR PARCELS, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO TAKE THEM OUT OF THE DISTRICT.
BUT SAY YOU HAVE SOME OUTLIERS WHERE THESE TWO PARCELS DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF IT.
THESE FOUR DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF IT.
YOU GUYS COULD JUST ADJUST THE BOUNDARY AND JUST TAKE THEM OUT, BECAUSE IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE THREE FOURTHS MAJORITY, OR YOU JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETE HEADACHE, THEN YOU CAN JUST TAKE THEM OUT.
LIKE I SAID, THOSE INTERIOR ONES, YOU KNOW, IF YOU MAYBE HAVE SOME NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES WHO DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE AND YOU'RE ABLE TO KIND OF CUT IT OUT.
BUT WE I WOULD SAY YOUR INTERIOR PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO BE YOUR BIGGEST ISSUE IS THAT IF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT YOU ALL ARE WANTING OF THE AREA, YOU'RE WANTING TO DESIGNATE A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THREE PROPERTIES HERE AND A COUPLE HERE THAT ARE LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF IT.
AND YOU'RE KIND OF LIKE, SORRY, YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DISTRICT.
THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT YOU ALL WOULD HAVE TO HAVE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND HOPEFULLY CAN GET THERE BY IN.
IF NOT, YOU JUST CROSS YOUR FINGERS THAT YOU CAN GET THAT THROUGH.
YOU WOULD HOPE THAT YOU BECAUSE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR A COHESIVENESS.
AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR JAGGED EDGES, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR BOTH THE ZONING REGULATION, BECAUSE THERE ARE ZONING REGULATIONS THAT COME WITH THIS.
BUT ALSO JUST FOR CLARITY, FOR STAFF AND THE PARCELS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING WITHIN THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO I THINK WE'D ALMOST IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO LIKE, CANVASS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD SAY CANVAS WIDER THAN THAT.
THAT WAY, YOU KIND OF AT LEAST GET A SENSE OF WHO WHICH PROPERTY OWNERS ARE, WHERE, AND YOU CAN MAYBE MORE EASILY DRAW A COHESIVE DISTRICT OUT OF IT.
SO ALL LIKE OVER TO AUSTIN STREET, BOLIVAR STREET, GO A LITTLE BIT WIDER EACH WAY BECAUSE I THINK THAT OAKLAND MAYBE AS WELL, YOU KNOW.
THE OAKLAND THERE'S A HOUSE ON THERE.
WELL THERE'S A LOT OF BEAUTIFUL HOMES ON THERE THAT ARE GOOD STORY.
I MIGHT BE ABLE TO, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES THERE THAT ARE OWNED BY PEOPLE AS STATE.
SO THEN YOU'RE ALSO ENTERING IN VARIABLES THAT ARE MORE LIKELY TO SAY NO THINGS.
WELL, THAT'S FINE, BUT IF ALL WE'RE DOING IS TRYING TO GATHER INFORMATION AND LET'S SEE WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, LET'S SEE WHAT THE INFORMATION TELLS US.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN CAN WE GERRYMANDER DISTRICT THAT'S GOING TO WORK FOR US ESSENTIALLY.
I MEAN, IF YOU I MEAN, THAT'S ONE WAY TO PUT IT.
I WOULD NOT I WOULD NOT POSE TO THAT AT ALL.
I JUST WONDER IF WE START WITH THE SMALLER ONE SO AND SEE WHAT WHAT IT'S DIFFERENT THOUGH BECAUSE OF THE BUSINESSES.
SO NO, I MEAN, I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE LIKE FOCUSING IN ON A SMALLER AREA AS OUR, AS OUR HOPE.
BUT I JUST KIND OF FIGURE, WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE CANVASING, LET'S CANVASS WIDELY.
JUST SEE IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC AREA THAT WE SHOULD THE DATA SET.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS AGAIN.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE RISK JOHN, IS WE RISK SAYING OH WAIT A MINUTE.
WELL LET'S GO BACK TO FORMULA.
LET'S EXPAND IT. LET'S GO REDRAW THE MAP AND LOOK AT THAT.
AND THEN LET'S VOTE ON THAT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW VERSUS WE GO WITH THIS PLAN WHAT'S ALREADY MAPPED OUT AND SAY GO DO THAT.
AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT EXPANDING IT LATER WHEN AS MORE YESES COME UP.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MEAN, I'M NOT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF STARTING TO GATHER INFORMATION WITHIN THAT WE HAVE NOW. RIGHT? RIGHT.
I WOULD I JUST THINK IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF EXPANDING FOR SURE AND GO STRAIGHT TO AUSTIN STREET.
DO WE DO LIKE TO JOIN A CLUSTER? WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
BECAUSE THEN BECAUSE THEN ONCE YOU HAVE SOMETHING STARTED, THE YESES ARE MUCH EASIER BECAUSE THEN IT'S LIKE, WE'RE DOING THIS, YOU END
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AND I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL SO THAT HISTORICALLY ELIGIBLE STRUCTURES MAP THAT WE HAVE ONLINE.IT SHOWS THAT THERE ARE TONS OF ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES, ESSENTIALLY, GENERALLY FROM OAKLAND TO CARROLL BOULEVARD, BETWEEN WHICH I THINK WE WERE ALL VERY AWARE OF.
BUT JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU ALL THE DATA IS HERE.
IT'S BEEN SURVEYED, IT'S BEEN RESEARCHED TO A RECONNAISSANCE LEVEL EXTENT, BUT THERE'S THAT BASIC INFORMATION WITH FOR YOU ALL AS A COMMISSION, KNOWING THAT, HEY, WHERE ARE WE GOING IN? THERE'S LOTS OF ELIGIBLE STRUCTURES THERE.
IT'S JUST KIND OF DOING THE DEEP DIVE ON EACH OF THOSE STRUCTURES AND GETTING THAT PROPERTY CLEARLY DEFINED.
SO THE ONES THAT ARE DARK RED OVER CLOSER AROUND ELM AND AND LOCUST THAT HAVE BEEN YOUR MODEL.
OH SO OH THOSE ARE PRIMARY STRUCTURE DEMOLITIONS OKAY.
SO THOSE WERE REMOVED ONES ARE EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT SEVERAL THAT WERE VERY HISTORIC AND WERE VERY COOL.
BUT THEY'VE BEEN REALLY RENOVATED MULTIPLE TIMES.
ARE THEY ELIGIBLE? SO NO, THEY DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF MODIFICATION THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE, IF SOMEONE WHO REACHED OUT TO ME SAYING, HI, THIS IS MY PROPERTY, I HAVE INTERESTS, I HAVE SOME EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS.
CAN YOU CHECK OUT MY PROPERTY? BECAUSE I'M INTERESTED IN DOING A DESIGNATION.
I WOULD GO OUT AND BASED OFF HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION, IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO MORE OF LIKE AN ARCHITECTURAL TYPE OF DESIGNATION, I WOULD STATE NO.
YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION AT THE LOCAL LEVEL FOR AN INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK.
HOWEVER, FOR A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF COHESIVENESS IN TERMS OF A LOOK OF FEEL, A CULTURAL ASPECTS, SOMETHING THAT TIES THAT COMMUNITY TOGETHER, OR A HISTORY THAT TIES IT TOGETHER.
PLUS TWO ADDITIONAL CRITERIA FOR ON THAT LANDMARK DESIGNATION LIST, WHICH THERE'S 13 CRITERIA.
SO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, A POTENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT OR CONSERVATION DISTRICT DOESN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE BASED SPECIFICALLY JUST ON AN ARCHITECTURE.
AND SO THE GREEN GREEN DOTS ARE ALL ELIGIBLE FOR THE THE BRIGHT RED DOTS ARE DIFFERENT STRUCTURES.
YES. THEY CAN STILL BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
THEY JUST INDIVIDUALLY ARE. NO.
SO IF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURES DEMOLISHED WE WOULD NOT INCLUDE THOSE PARCELS.
AND THEN WITH EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS, THAT'S MORE OF A DISCUSSION OF WHAT IS THE GREATER GOAL OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT YOU ALL ARE LOOKING TO CREATE, OR THAT THE COMMUNITY IS LOOKING TO ESTABLISH, AND THEN LOOKING AT HOW THOSE PLAY INTO IT? AND IF THOSE DON'T MEET KIND OF THAT CRITERIA, IF WE'RE ABLE TO REMOVE THEM, WE WOULD.
IF NOT, WE WOULD JUST SAY, YOU ALL ARE NOT CONTRIBUTING.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CERTAIN DESIGN STANDARDS THAT GO INTO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AT A CERTAIN POINT.
SO I GUESS I'LL GO BACK TO THE OPTIONS.
JUST TO KIND OF GET A GENERAL IDEA OF HOW YOU ALL ARE FEELING.
AND I GUESS JUST BECAUSE I'LL LAY THIS OUT JUST IN ORDER TO SPEED DISCUSSION FOR MOVING TOWARDS SOME TYPE OF A MIND CLINICIAN IS, I WOULD VERY MUCH SUPPORT OPTION ONE.
AND THE REASON IS TO GET THE BALL VOTE GOING LIKE TONIGHT.
SO WE CAN VOTE ON THAT, STARTED GETTING THAT PROCESS STARTED AND THEN HAVE A BETTER, MORE REALISTIC LOOK AT WHAT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE IN ORDER TO THEN INVOLVE COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS TO PUT SOME SKIN IN THE GAME.
IDEALLY I'D LOVE TO, BUT JUST I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE, AND I KNOW HISTORICALLY SPEAKING, THAT'S USUALLY A NONSTARTER BECAUSE EVERYBODY SITS AROUND EACH OTHER AND NOTHING HAPPENS FOR A LONG TIME.
AND THEN MEANWHILE THINGS GET BOUGHT UP, GOBBLED UP, TORN DOWN.
OR IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT, WE CAN COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT, JOHN'S 1.5.
I THINK IT'S JUST PLAY A LITTLE MIX AND MATCH AT SOME POINT.
BUT I'M LEANING TOWARDS OPTION ONE JUST BECAUSE, FINALIZING THE BOUNDARY, DETERMINING THE CRITERIA AND THEN CREATING THAT LIST IN A MAP IN ORDER TO START THIS KIND OF FORMAL APPLICATION PROCESS, THAT THAT IS THE LION'S WORK OF IT.
AND THEN THEN WE MIGHT COME BACK AND MAKE TOUCHES AND QUIBBLES AND ADDITIONS LATER.
I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING.
GETTING THE BALL ROLLING AND GETTING SOMETHING STARTED AND UNDERWAY IS, IS THAT GOING TO ANGER PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE KIND OF STARTING WITHOUT THEM? I, I'M JUST FROM A COURSE.
I'M GOING TO SAY NO BECAUSE I CAN SAY NO.
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THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. DON'T MAKE ME HAVE EXPERIENCE DOING THAT.BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY EXPERIENCE TRYING IT FOR THIS TIME HERE.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE, LET'S GET IT STARTED.
AND I MEAN, OF COURSE, I MEAN, IF THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKE, HECK NO, I DON'T WANT IT.
AND IT'S LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, STORY TIME NOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I, I THINK THERE IS GREAT VALUE IN DOING, IN MAKING A DECISION THAT CAN RESULT IN ACTION.
DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE AND HAVE NEVER DEALT WITH THE HLC.
I'VE NEVER BEEN THROUGH ANY OF THE PROCESSES TO HAVE A FEEL FOR HOW IT'S GOING TO GO.
SO MUCH OF WHAT WE'RE IN THE DISTRICT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS COMMERCIAL, THAT I JUST DON'T EXPECT MUCH RESPONSE, POSITIVE RESPONSE FROM THAT.
AND SO I SEE, TO JOHN'S POINT, THOSE THOSE NEXT BLOCKS OVER HAVE MANY MORE RESIDENCES THAT MAY BE MORE INTERESTING, BUT THAT'S A LOT BIGGER PROCESS TO BEGIN.
AND SO YOU ALL HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE AND MAYBE TO START WITH THAT MUCH AND THEN EXPAND.
COMMISSIONER GREGORY, SHOULD THERE BE INDIVIDUALS ON THE COMMISSION THAT HAVE CAPACITY TO DO THE RESEARCH NECESSARY FOR.
RIGHT, BECAUSE EVERY PROPERTY HAS TO BE RESEARCHED WITH DEMONSTRATED EVIDENCE OF WHAT MAKES IT ELIGIBLE.
THEN I SAY FOR NUMBER ONE, IF THERE'S NOT CAPACITY IN WITHIN THE COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, THEN WE'RE STARTING AN EFFORT THAT WE ALSO ARE GOING TO BE UNABLE TO COMPLETE.
HOLD THAT THOUGHT FOR A SECOND.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID THEY'RE ALREADY ELIGIBLE.
SO DO WE STILL NEED TO SEARCH THEM? CORRECT.
DO WE NOT ALREADY HAVE THAT INFORMATION LIKE THE CITY RECONNAISSANCE RECONNAISSANCE SURVEY? WE DO HAVE THE DAY OF THE YEAR CONSTRUCTION AND, PHOTOGRAPHS FROM EITHER 926, 2012, BUT IT'S VERY PRELIMINARY INFORMATION.
IT'S NOT DEEP DIVE INTO WHO LIVES THERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THAT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T DO THE WORK TO PROVE WHAT FOR EACH PROPERTY THAT WOULD NEED TO BE PROPERTY.
BUT FOR FOR THE DISTRICT, THERE'S PROBABLY ENOUGH.
MORE WOULD NEED TO BE DONE FOR EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.
SO, I'M GOING TO USE I'M GOING TO USE SOUTHRIDGE FOR RIGHT NOW AND I'LL BE COMING BACK TO THE POINT.
BUT SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S RECENT PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN, AND THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE.
THEY'VE GOTTEN SOME DATES OF CONSTRUCTION, THEY'VE GOTTEN ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, BUILDING MATERIALS, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE USES IN OWNERSHIP.
AND THEN SO FOR ANYTHING THAT CURRENT AREA THAT'S LOOKING THAT YOU ARE LOOKING INTO, WE WOULD NEED UPDATED PHOTOGRAPHS OF EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY.
WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT THE SURVEYS AND SEE IF A DATA CONSTRUCTION WAS DETERMINED.
IF THERE WAS AN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT CURRENTLY? BECAUSE THESE ARE PAST SURVEYS.
THE MOST RECENT ONE WE'VE DONE AT THE CITY WAS 2015, AND THAT WAS, IDIOT CELL.
SO BOLIVAR, THIS WHOLE AREA WAS SURVEYED BACK IN 2012.
AND PRIOR TO THAT WAS THE 1996 SURVEY.
SO A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION IS ALREADY OUTDATED TO AN EXTENT.
SO WE WOULD NEED NEW PHOTOGRAPHS, MAKING SURE THAT, WE THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE THAT WAS DETERMINED IN 2012 IS STILL THE SAME.
PROBABLY HAVE TO DO MUCH MORE OF A DEEP DIVE ON THE USES IN OWNERSHIP BUILDING MATERIALS, SEE IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES FROM 2012 AND THAT, CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUE, IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET THAT, THAT'S GREAT.
USUALLY PIER AND BEAM AT THIS POINT OR IN THAT AREA, SOME, SOME CONCRETE SLABS OF HEAVY ON WHICH PROPERTY YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
BUT THEN IN THIS CASE, CREATING THAT MAP, THE LIST, AND THEN INCLUDING ANY, AND THEN DETERMINING BASED OFF YOUR RESEARCH OF EACH PROPERTY, IF IT SHOULD BE CONTRIBUTING OR NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN TERMS OF THAT LARGER STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE.
SO THERE'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WOULD BE DONE.
SO THERE'S THE BASE FOUNDATION BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN RESEARCHED,
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BUT IT HASN'T BEEN A DEEP DIVE RESEARCH AND IT'S ALREADY PROBABLY OUT OF IT'S OUR OF DATE AT LEAST.DEFINITELY THE PHOTOGRAPHS, SOME STUFF.
AND DEPENDING ON HOW QUICKLY THOSE SURVEYS HAPPEN, I WAS NOT HERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW QUICKLY THOSE SURVEYS OCCURRED.
THEY COULD HAVE HAPPENED IN A THREE MONTH SPAN.
THEY COULD HAVE HAPPENED IN A YEAR LONG SPAN.
IF THEY HAD A YEAR LONG, THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN MORE RESEARCH CONDUCTED.
BUT IF IT WAS THREE MONTHS, THEY'RE DOING BASIC RECONNAISSANCE SURVEYS, AND THEY'RE JUST GETTING US ALL THE BASIC INFORMATION OFF OF QUICK PRELIMINARY SEARCH, AND THEN THEY'RE SUBMITTING IT TO CITY STAFF.
IT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO DETERMINE, I ASSUME OWNERSHIP.
YOU MEAN HISTORICALLY, RIGHT? YES.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT GOING TO THE COUNTY AND LOOKING AT OLD TITLES AND STUFF? YEAH.
SO SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO FOR INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK PROPERTIES THE FIRST TIME.
LUCKILY MAYBE IN THIS AREA YOU'RE ONLY DEALING WITH MAYBE 5 OR 6 PROPERTY OWNERS.
BUT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO FOR A HISTORIC LANDMARK INDIVIDUAL DESIGNATION, IT WOULD BE TRYING TO GET BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF WHEN THAT STRUCTURE WAS BUILT AND THEN GOING TO PRESENT DAY, WHAT ARE THESE TYPICALLY BUILT? SO A LOT OF THESE IN THIS AREA, RANGE FROM THE EARLY 1900S TO THE 1960S.
OKAY. SORRY, I'M GOING TO RUN AWAY.
ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER GREGORY, WERE YOU FINISHED? I JUST STOPPED YOU.
I THINK I JUST WANTED TO ENSURE THAT IF WE ARE WANTING TO GO WITH OPTION ONE, THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM THAT ARE LIKE, YES, I WILL DO THE WORK TO.
RIGHT? BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE SHOULD NOT GO WITH OPTION ONE.
NOT IN MY IDEAL WORLD WE DO THIS.
OPTION TWO WE DON'T LIVE IN THE IDEAL WORLD.
I THINK THIS IS A THING WORTH DOING.
SO I AM GOING TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF OPTION ONE AS FAR AS YOU KNOW.
THROWING OURSELVES INTO THE MEAT GRINDER, I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH TITLE CITY GUIDES AND SANBORN TO, YOU KNOW, HELP HASH OUT USES AND OWNERSHIP FOR, YOU KNOW.
AND HOPEFULLY BEST CASE SCENARIO, ONCE WE LAUNCH IN WE'LL FIND SOME USEFUL SUPPORT IN THE SYSTEMS FROM THE AREA ITSELF.
IF WE DON'T, MAYBE THAT'S THE POINT IN TIME IN WHICH WE DECIDE TO REEVALUATE.
WELL, ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT THAT WE NEED NOT TAKE ON SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF WORK ON OUR PART.
IF THE PEOPLE ARE NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN DOING IT, BECAUSE WE COULD SPEND A LOT OF OUR TIME, RESEARCHING AND, AND THEN PEOPLE SAY, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
I DON'T WANT MY PROPERTY DESIGNATED AS ANYTHING.
I WANT TO DO WHAT I WANT TO DO WHEN I WANT TO DO IT. SO, OR TO BE ABLE TO SELL IT.
YES, THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT.
BUT YET, WELL, SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT'S TRYING TO PREVENT SOMEONE JUST PRESERVE IT.
ONLY IF IT PAYS ME AS MUCH AS SELLING IT TO PAY ME.
I THINK I CAN WITH LENNY THAT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OPTION ONE, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE WE NEED A SENSE OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY INTEREST AT ALL.
BEFORE WE DEVOTE OUR OUR LIVES TO THIS, I ALSO WOULD.
I LOVE OLD DUSTY BOOKS. SO, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS GOING DOWN TO THE COUNTY AND LOOKING AT FIRE SURVEYS AND ALL THAT.
I I'M NOT AN ARCHITECTURAL EXPERT.
DO WE HAVE ONE IN THIS ROOM? I'M NOT AN EXPERT, BUT MY DEGREE IS IN ARCHITECTURE.
OKAY, WELL, THAT THAT COUNTS AS SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU'RE WORKING OUT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SORT OF CONFIRMING THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
I'M NOT I'M NOT ABLE TO DO THAT IN MOST PART.
AND LIKE I SAID, I CAN PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, THE SURVEY THAT WAS DONE FOR THIS AREA AND HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES YOU ALL A GOOD STARTING BASE.
IF OPTION ONE IS WHAT YOU ALL DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO DO TONIGHT, I THAT WILL GIVE YOU ALL A GOOD FOUNDATION, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF THE STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE, WHY THEY DETERMINED AT THE TIME THAT THIS AREA IS SIGNIFICANCE.
IT'S JUST KIND OF GOING TO BE MORE OF THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES AND THEN YOU ALL DECIDING WHAT YOU THINK IS WORTHY TO BE PART OF THE DISTRICT IS CONTRIBUTING AND NOT CONTRIBUTING, WHICH THEY'VE ALREADY DONE SOME OF THAT WORK FOR YOU ALL.
BUT IT'S ALSO DIFFERENT THAN NATIONAL REGISTER.
YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT CRITERIA THAN THE NATIONAL REGISTER IS LOOKING AT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE MORE STRICT.
SO THERE IS FLEXIBILITY AT THE LOCAL LEVEL FOR YOU ALL
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GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN ORDER TRAINING FOR THIS FRIDAY.AM I GOING TO LEARN? YOU'RE GOING TO LEARN ALL THE BENEFITS OR LIKE THE GOOD AND THE BAD, SO TO SPEAK.
OKAY. YEAH. YOU ALL ARE GOING TO LEARN ALL THE THINGS.
YES, THEY'RE DOING THE TRAINING ON FRIDAY.
SO IF YOU ALL, IF ANYONE WANTS TO COME ON FRIDAY, I CAN'T GET ENOUGH COULD IT. RIGHT.
I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AS A BODY TO PURSUE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
AND I THINK THAT THAT IS OUR DUTY TO DO THAT.
I ALSO THINK I'M LOOKING AT THE NOTE ON THE BOTTOM THAT SAID THAT INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD STILL NEED TO BE CONSULTED, AND I'M GOING TO HANG MY HAT ON THAT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GET IT STARTED.
IF WE CAN FINALIZE A BOUNDARY TO START ONE, EVEN IF WE WANT TO EXPAND IT LATER.
SO MY QUESTION IS IF WE SAY, HEY, OPTION ONE, I'M REALLY WITH THAT 1.5 THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO TO FINALIZE IT.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR US, IF WE'RE DETERMINING THE CRITERIA, THAT IS FAIRLY EASY TO, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IN PROPERTY OWNERS AND I WOULD CROSS MY FINGERS THAT THERE WOULD BE SOMEONE WITHIN THAT THAT MIGHT TAKE IT OVER.
IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? IF WE SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO DO OPTION ONE? YEAH.
SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS WITH THAT.
EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT YOU WOULD NOT MIND, YOU KNOW, GETTING DUSTED OFF SOME BOOKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT TO OFFER.
NOT WORKING TOO. SO, THERE'S AN EXPERIENCED HANDS.
I THINK WE ARE A CITY GOVERNMENT BODY, YET IT'S ON US AND NOT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME HELP WITH STAFF.
ONE IF WE WERE TO DO THIS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SAVING GUIDELINES, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING SO, WE NEED TO AT LEAST CONSULT WITH STAFF.
BECAUSE I'M GOING TO TELL YOU I CAN MAKE A MESS OF IT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT ME TO.
SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT I'M THINKING OPTION ONE TO GET SOMETHING GOING.
AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW, AM I THINKING CORRECTLY THAT WE COULD DO THOSE THINGS? YES, YES, YOU ARE CORRECT.
AND LIKE I SAY, THAT STAFF IS HERE TO ASSIST.
IT'S JUST WE CAN'T DO THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL WORK JUST DUE TO CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO LIKE MAIL A FLIER OR PAMPHLET THAT ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION I COULD? OKAY.
BUT NOT AS A THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER.
YEAH, OKAY. I JUST DON'T WANT TO PAY.
I'M. SO I WOULD I HERE'S WHAT I WOULD THINK THE THE OPTION 1.5 AND I KNOW THAT WASN'T PRESENTED, BUT SINCE WE'RE GIVEN DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION I WOULD LIKE US TO FINALIZE THE BOUNDARY.
AND I'M FINE WITH THE BOUNDARY THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.
TO START, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE EXPANDED ONCE WE START THIS, SO I DON'T WANT IT TO GO BY THE WAYSIDE.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO DRAW IN WOODLAND STREET.
WOULD YOU ALSO BE AT SOME POINT NOT TO NOT TO PART OF THIS, BUT IF WE'RE DOING THE WHOLE THING, GO AHEAD.
WOULD YOU ALSO BE OKAY IF WE HAD IF WHEN WE STARTED WITH THE DISTRICT AND IT WAS CLEAR THAT ONE END OF IT WASN'T INTERESTED, WOULD YOU BE STILL GOOD WITH MAKING SMALLER? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.
I THINK IT'S IT COULD ALSO GET MAYBE SHORTER BUT WIDER INTO THE RESIDENT.
I AGREE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A STARTING PLACE.
I THINK COMMISSIONER WAS, WAS YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THE TO THAT THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A STARTING POINT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ALL AGREE WITH WHAT I'VE JUST SAID, BUT THAT'S KIND OF MY TAKE ON IT.
IF EVERYONE VOTING FOR THE BOUNDARY THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED, IF IT'S TIME FOR THAT, I FEEL LIKE I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO WITH OPTION ONE, BUT WE THINK TOWARDS A 1.5 PLAN, WHICH THAT WOULD MEAN EITHER EITHER END NUMBER ONE, EXPANDING THE PROPOSED DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE HERE, THAT MIGHT INCLUDE MORE HOMES, IF DEPENDING ON PARTIES ARE INTERESTED.
BUT THEN ALSO PART TWO IS WE ALSO WANT TO SEE
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IF IN THE MEANTIME, WHILE WE'RE ENGAGING IN OPTION ONE, WE ALSO SEE IF WE CAN IDENTIFY POSSIBLE CANDIDATES WITHIN THAT DISTRICT FOR A COMMITTEE, FOR MAYBE AN ASSISTANCE COMMITTEE OR MAYBE AN ADVISORY, MAYBE CALL IT AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THIS DISTRICT SO THAT THEY CAN HELP US THROUGH WITH ALL THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT'S THANK YOU.AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WORTH TO EVEN ADD ON TO THAT.
IF WE COULD GET THAT PERSON, THEY MAY KNOW MORE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITY TO TO EVEN GET SOMEONE TO COME WITH THEM TO DO IT.
SO OKAY, SO CAN WE ADD JUST MAKE A PLAN FOR REACHING OUT TO THE, TO THE THAT'S THAT'S INCLUDING, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT WAS INCLUDED AT THE BOTTOM OF IT, WHICH WAS THERE WILL BE CONSULTED.
BUT I JUST MEAN MAKING AN ACTUAL PLAN.
SEND OUT A FLIER, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. YEAH.
I MEAN CONTACT THEM, WHICH DOESN'T STOP PURSUING OPTION ONE.
I JUST MEAN, LIKE, LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKE THAT MAKE THAT PART OF THAT. SO LOOK, WE'RE ISOLATE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS.
WHATEVER OUR STRATEGY IS, WE SHOULD WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT OKAY.
I GUESS I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR LEGAL.
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, YOU EVIDENTLY KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS NOW INTERESTED.
ON THE SIDE STREETS OR SOMETHING I KNOW ABOUT FOR.
BUT THAT'S NOT THAT'S NORTH OF THIS BOUNDARY.
AND IN THAT AREA, THAT'S FOR THAT.
LIKE, AS INDIVIDUAL, THEY'VE CALLED ME LIKE, WE WANT TO DO THIS AND LIKE I CAN'T DO IT FOR YOU.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT HLC GETS THE BALL ROLLING.
AND THEN SOMEONE FROM A COMMUNITY STAND UP TO SAY, BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU THEY DON'T WANT HLC RUNNING THEIR DISTRICTS A WHOLE LOT, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND I WAS JUST WHILE I WAS HOPING THAT THERE WOULD BE SOMEBODY THAT WE WOULD ALREADY KNOW, I THINK IT MIGHT BE TOO THAT PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW.
AND I, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A MEETING LIKE, LIKE OUR FLIER BECAUSE WE'RE INVITING YOU TO COME MEET WITH HLC.
WE WANT TO DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE VALUE TO YOU FOR WHAT IT CAN DO TO YOUR HOME, TO YOUR PROPERTIES, HOW IT PROTECTS THEM, AND NOT TO REALLY BE A GOVERNMENT BODY OVER THEM.
THE BENEFIT, THE BENEFITS THROUGH THAT.
I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT TO ME, SET THE BOUNDARIES, DETERMINE THE CRITERIA PROPOSED FOR THE DISTRICT, THAT WE COULD DO THAT AND SEND OUT THE, AND SEND OUT A FLIER FOR A MEETING IN JANUARY.
THAT'S THAT WAS JUST I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, TOMA AND ALL THIS, BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE, LIKE TO TO HAVE A I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'D CALL A FAIR, A DEMONSTRATION OR SOMETHING LIKE AT EMILY FOWLER OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I GUESS WE'RE TECHNICALLY RIGHT IN THIS AREA TOO, BUT I'M THINKING MORE CLOSER TO A LOT OF THE RESIDENCES THAT, I IMAGINE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED THAT THE OTHER.
BUT, BUT THAT THE WHOLE POINT OF THE MEETING IS JUST INVITE THE NEIGHBORS THERE AND JUST TO SEE WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND WE CAN DO LIKE A COMMUNITY INFORMATION SESSION.
I MEAN, LIKE, LIKE YOU DID WITH THAT SOUTH RANGE.
AND JUST HAVE A COMMUNITY INFORMATION SESSION WHERE EVERYBODY COMES TO GIVE A PRESENTATION.
THEY SEE WHAT'S WHAT IT'S LOOKING LIKE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE ASKS LIKE, HERE'S KIND OF WHAT WE NEED.
AND THE ISSUE NOT ISSUE, BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE A PLURAL, RIGHT.
IT HAS TO BE POSTED IF WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE THERE, WHICH I WOULD HOPE THAT AS MANY AS WE COULD WOULD BE THERE.
SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE POSTED.
I WOULD HAVE HAD AN MLA. FOWLER.
I DO WANT TO JUST GET US BACK ON TOPIC IN TERMS OF JUST PICKING AN OPTION, AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF DECIDE HOW YOU ALL PURSUE THE DESIGNATION.
SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TREE AND THE KIND OF THE 1.5.
SO I JUST NEED A SECOND FOR THAT.
WELL, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MCKENNA.
HEY, WAS THAT UNANIMOUS? DID I HEAR ANY NAMES? OKAY.
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DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH DIRECTION? NO. THAT'S PERFECT. PERFECT.I THINK IT'S GOOD DISCUSSION, GUYS I LIKE IT. IT.
WE'VE BEEN GOING TO ITEM FOUR C NUMBER HLC 250453 AND RECEIVED A REPORT AND HOLD A DISCUSSION AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON THE HISTORIC LANDMARKS COMMISSION REQUEST FOR LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF ELIGIBLE HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
I DON'T HAVE ANY TO REPORT BECAUSE THE ONE THAT I'M THINKING COULD BE ON THAT.
OKAY, SO ANYONE HAVE ANYONE ANYTHING TO POINT OUT? ANY NEW ONES? NOPE.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ALONG.
[D. Hold a discussion regarding the Historic Landmark Commission Project Matrix.]
ALL RIGHT.I AM FOR THE NUMBER HLC 25044.
AND OUR AGENDA IS TO HOLD A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION PROJECT MATRIX.
SO I KNOW THAT I TOLD YOU ALL THAT I WAS GOING TO GET THE TEMPLATE AGENDA DONE.
THESE NEW STATE REQUIREMENTS WE'RE GETTING THIS GENDA TURNED AROUND IS A LOT FASTER THAN I REALIZED.
OBVIOUSLY THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION DISCUSSION THAT TOOK PLACE.
SO WE CAN TAKE THAT OFF, AND THEN CONTINUE RESEARCHING NEWER UPDATED PROGRAMING.
THAT'S JUST GOING TO KEEP GOING AS ONGOING UNTIL, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BETTER BUDGET SITUATION.
BUT ONE THING I DID WANT TO BRING UP IS BASED OFF OF THAT DISCUSSION THAT YOU ALL WERE JUST HAVING, I WOULD RECOMMEND, JUST FOR THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, WORKING THROUGH THE DESIGNATION PROCESS AND WORKING THROUGH THE APPLICATION.
IS THAT SO THAT WE'RE NOT CONSISTENTLY DEALING WITH A WALKING FORUM OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, FOR MORE THAT IT MIGHT BE BEST TO POTENTIALLY BRING FORWARD IN A FUTURE AGENDA TO HAVE TWO, MAYBE SUBCOMMITTEES, AND THEY CAN CHANGE, BUT CREATION OF TWO SUBCOMMITTEES WHERE WE KNOW THERE'S AT LEAST THREE PEOPLE THAT ARE KIND OF POINT PERSON FOR RESEARCH AND THEN THREE POINT OR POINT PEOPLE FOR COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SWITCH PLACES, BUT THAT IT WILL JUST HELP WITH STAFF, NOT, I GUESS, MAKING SURE THAT YOU ALL DO NOT HAVE A WALKING FORUM IN CASES WHERE WE'RE NOT MAYBE INVOLVED WITH THE EVENT THAT'S TAKING PLACE.
SO OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S A COMMUNITY FAIR OR A MEETING, I CAN POST ABOUT THAT.
BUT IF YOU ARE WANTING TO MEET ONE OFF AND I HEAR THAT THERE'S FOUR PEOPLE THERE, THEN WE GET A LITTLE IT GETS AWKWARD FOR MAKES BORING FOR US.
SO THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD COMMUNICATE IN YOUR THREE OR LESS SUBCOMMITTEE, AND THEN IF YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT WITH THE GROUP, IT WOULD BE AT A PUBLIC DEVOTED MEETING.
NOW WITH THAT, I GET, LIKE, THE RESEARCH COMMITTEE DOES HAVE A THING.
IF WE'RE DOING A PUBLIC FACING FOR THIS, I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO HAVE AS MANY THAT COULD BE THERE, BE THERE FOR THEM TO SEE THE FACES OF THE HLC.
SO YOU JUST NEED TO LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU ALL PLAN ON HAVING, YOU KNOW, SAY IF I, IF I HAVE THE FLIER AND I HAVE THE INFORMATION, I CAN DO IT.
BUT IF THERE'S ONE OFF MEETINGS THAT YOU ARE WANTING TO HAVE WITH A SMALLER COMMUNITY GROUP, THEN YOU JUST NEED TO LET ME KNOW AS STAFF SO THAT I CAN MAKE SURE THAT I'M POSTING IT IN TIME. JUST SAYING THAT WE MIGHT.
THERE'S A NOTICE OF POSSIBLE QUORUM AT THIS EVENT.
JUST SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEGAL ISSUES, DO WE HAVE ACCESS FOR CITY STAFF TO CREATE A FLIER FOR US AND NULL IT OUT, OR ARE WE ARE WE ON? NO, NO, WE HAVE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO. YES.
CAN I ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION WHERE YOU SAID THE DISCUSSION FOR THE NORTH LOCUST AND NORTH ELM? YOU COULD TAKE THAT OFF.
YEAH, I WAS GOING TO TAKE THAT OFF.
AND THEN I WAS GOING TO ADD POTENTIAL CREATION OF SUBCOMMITTEES.
THAT'S THE NEXT PORTION OF THAT DISCUSSION.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE IT STAY ON SINCE WE'RE NOT DONE YET.
THAT IS ONGOING, RIGHT. IT'S ONGOING.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY BRAIN WORK I JUST.
I THINK THAT THAT MAKES SENSE.
ANY OTHER ITEMS THERE? AND THEN OF COURSE, I KNOW UPDATE WILL COME AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW CALENDAR YEAR.
HEY, CAN YOU SCROLL DOWN RIGHT THERE WHERE IT SAYS INCREASE AWARENESS AND YOU.
OH NO, NO, THAT'S NOT THE TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM.
THAT COULD REALLY PLAY A PART IN PART OF THE MEETING.
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I WAS THINKING, WELL, PART OF THAT WAS THAT'S TERRIBLE THAT WE'RE THINKING OF.YEAH. RIGHT. LIKE, LET'S TALK ABOUT INCENTIVES.
LIKE, HERE'S WHAT I THINK, ESPECIALLY COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES.
AND IF THEY BECOME A NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATION.
FOR THAT TO RIDE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND.
WE DO BRING THAT TEAM IN TO, TO TALK TO YOU. YEAH.
I BOUGHT ALMOST $100 WORTH FOR THE SENIOR CENTER AND DIDN'T GET ANY OF IT MYSELF.
THERE'S PIZZA. THIS GIRL SCOUT COOKIES HERE.
SO ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S WE NEED TO ADD TO THE MATRIX OR.
THIS IS ONE ITEM I DON'T REMEMBER.
I PROBABLY DON'T LEARN ABOUT THIS ON FRIDAY, BUT IT WASN'T THE ACTUAL MATRIX.
BUT IT WAS LIKE A HOLDING PATTERN MATRIX.
I'M GOING TO CALL IT THAT. YOU WERE TALKING ON HOLD.
OH, OH, THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE CENTER MAYBE, I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT THERE WAS ONE ITEM THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT I WAS CONSIDERING ASKING YOU TO PUT ON THE MATRIX, BUT I CAN PROBABLY LEARN ABOUT THAT ON FRIDAY, AND THEN I'LL BRING IT UP WITH THE NEXT WEEK.
WHAT TIME IS THE TRAINING ON FRIDAY? IT IS FROM 8 A.M. TO NOON.
IT'S THE SIMILAR TRAINING THAT SOME OTHER COMMISSIONERS RECEIVED IN THE PAST.
BUT WE HAVE TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS, SO THEY WERE RIGHT TO THE NEW TRAINING.
BUT IT'S FROM EACH NEW ON FRIDAY.
I'M GOING TO GO ON PANELS. RIGHT.
OH. WILL IT BE COFFEE PRESENT? YES, WE HAVE COFFEE, BUT, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HAVE IN ATTENDANCE.
WHAT DO YOU NOTICE? THE POSSIBLE FORUM.
I CAN NOT COME. I WILL BE WORKING.
I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT I CAN, BUT I COULD LET YOU KNOW TOMORROW.
LET ME KNOW. YEAH. THEN YOU'RE GOOD. YEAH.
SO IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
YOU CAN JUST SHOW UP IF YOU WANT TO.
OKAY. NOBODY ELSE. YOU DON'T. OKAY.
ANY OTHER BUSINESS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.