Nov 18, 2025 City Council on 2025-11-18 3:00 PM (SPECIAL CALLED)

[WORK SESSION]

[A. Receive a report and give staff direction regarding updates to the Housing Tax Credit Request for Support Policy. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 60 minutes]]

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WE LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE. WHAT THAT'S BASED ON IS THE IDEA THAT A HOUSEHOLD

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THEY ARE BELOW THE MARKET RATE THERE. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CALL AFFORDABLE FOR DENTON. AS A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, IN 2018, WE THIS HOUSING TAX CREDIT POLICY WAS INITIALLY APPROVED IN 21. THERE WAS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEEDS AND MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS THAT WAS COMPLETED.

AND IN 2022, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING STRATEGIC TOOLKIT. AGAIN,

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DIDN'T AFFORDABLE HOUSING CORPORATION, THE CITY'S OWN PFC? AND THAT IS AN ONGOING EXEMPTION FROM LOCAL PROPERTY TAXES AND DOES IMPACT THE CITY, COUNTY AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS TAX RATES. YOU'LL OFTEN SEE THEM PAIRED TOGETHER. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE'S GETTING HOUSING TAX CREDIT DOES NOT MEAN THEY'LL GET A PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION. JUST BECAUSE A PROPERTY TAX EXEMPT PROPERTY IS BEING BUILT DOES NOT MEAN THEY'LL SEEK A HOUSING TAX CREDIT. EXCUSE ME? WHEN WE LOOK AT THE EXISTING POLICY, IT'S KIND OF SET SOME FEW PREFERENCES THAT CITY COUNCIL SAID THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND THEN STAFF WOULD BRING ALL OF THE APPLICANTS WHO MET SOME OF THESE CRITERIA TO YOU AND SAID, DO YOU LIKE THIS? DO YOU NOT LIKE THIS? AND WE GIVE YOU A BRIEF ANALYSIS OF THE UNIT MIX AND SOME OTHER INFORMATION. IT'S KIND OF AN A LA CARTE. EVERYONE APPLIES. WE BRING EVERYTHING TO YOU. WE ASK YOU IF YOU LIKE THIS ONE OR YOU DON'T, THAT PROCESS IS HAS BUILT ABOUT 3600 UNITS SINCE 1993. 448 OF THOSE HAVE BEEN FOR HOUSEHOLDS AT 50% AMI OR BELOW. REMEMBER THAT 50% AMI IS WHAT WE CALL AFFORDABLE FOR DENTON, AND ABOUT 1600 WERE APPROVED AFTER 2018. THOSE 20 DEVELOPMENTS, NINE WERE APPROVED AFTER 2018. EIGHT OF THEM WERE PROPERTY TAX EXEMPT, SIX HAD FULL EXEMPTIONS AND TWO HAD HALF EXEMPTIONS. FOR THE FIVE HOUSING TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENTS WITH ACTIVE TAX EXEMPTIONS. 102 OF THOSE UNITS IN THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE AT THAT AFFORDABLE FOR DENTON RATE.

THAT'S 10% OF ALL THE UNITS THAT WERE CREATED. AND THESE TAX EXEMPT PROPERTIES HAVE TAKEN OFF DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF TAXES FROM THE CITY. THE ISD AND THE COUNTY, 1.1 MILLION, 2.3 MILLION. AND JUST UNDER OR JUST JUST OVER A THIRD OF A MILLION FOR THE COUNTY. AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A HOUSING TAX CREDIT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT'S TAX EXEMPT. JUST BECAUSE IT'S TAX EXEMPT DOES NOT MEAN IT'S HOUSING TAX CREDIT. SO SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO THE POLICIES, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY YEAR THE POLICY WHERE COUNCIL SELECTS PROJECTS TO LEND THEIR SUPPORT IS REFLECTIVE OF THE CURRENT NEEDS AND PRIORITIES OF THE COUNCIL. WE'D LIKE TO PROVIDE AN ANNUAL WORK SESSION UPDATE ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, GET WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND THEN USE THAT TO ONLY BRING PROJECTS THAT MEET YOUR YOUR NEEDS TO YOU. INSTEAD OF BRINGING EVERYTHING YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE. I BRING YOU THOSE PROJECTS AND MEET THOSE CRITERIA. SO IN THE VEIN OF LOOKING AT WHAT THE NEED MIGHT BE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE LAST TEN YEARS OF RENTAL RATES HERE IN DENTON, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE NEVER BEEN OR, EXCUSE ME, NOT BEEN WITHIN THE LAST TEN YEARS AT A POINT WHERE THE MARKET RATE HAS EXCEEDED THE 80% AFFORDABLE RATE, 80% AMI IS AFFORDABLE FOR THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA. IT IS NOT AFFORDABLE. IT'S IT STILL MEETS THE HUD DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HERE IN DENTON, BUT IT DOES NOT LIKELY LEAD TO A RENT REDUCTION HERE IN DENTON, 50% UNITS AND 30% UNITS ARE AFFORDABLE FOR DENTON. THE TREND IS THE SAME FOR TWO BEDROOM AGAIN. OVER TIME THE RENTS FLUCTUATED, BUT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THE THE MARKET RATE LYING IN BETWEEN THAT 50% AND 80% BRACKET. WHEN WE LOOK FORWARD AT THE THE GROWTH THAT WE EXPECT BY 2030, WE EXPECT ANOTHER 8800 HOUSEHOLDS, ABOUT 4000 OF THOSE WE EXPECT TO BE RENTERS, AND JUST OVER 1800 OF THEM, WE EXPECT WILL BE HOUSEHOLDS IN THAT 50% OR 30% AMI WHO ARE LIKELY TO BE COST BURDENED BY THE CURRENT RENTAL MARKET. AGAIN, THOSE THOSE HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE ABOVE THAT MARKET RATE AND THAT 80% AMI THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED LOW INCOME FOR THE REGION, ARE SERVED WELL BY THE MARKET RATE AND WOULD NOT BE COST BURDENED

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THE MARKET HAS SERVED HOUSEHOLDS IN THAT LOW INCOME CATEGORY, BUT THE SYSTEM. SO ALL OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT KIND OF ORGANIZATIONS, HOUSING TAX CREDIT OR NOT, HAVE PRODUCED A LITTLE OVER 2800 UNITS OF 80% AMI THAT ARE LIKELY NOT LEADING TO ANY RENT REDUCTION. WE'VE BUILT 380 50% AMI UNITS, WHICH IS ABOUT 22% OF THE NEED THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN 2021, AND WE BUILT 6,030% UNITS, WHICH IS ONLY 1% OF THE NEED THAT WAS IDENTIFIED BY 2021. SO WHEN WE LOOK IN COMPOUND, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT WE WILL NEED ANY 80% UNITS. 80% HOUSEHOLDS ARE SERVED BY MARKET RATE. FOR 50% HOUSEHOLDS, WE EXPECT TO NEED ABOUT 2000 UNITS. IF WE WERE TO ELIMINATE RENT BURDEN AND AT LEAST 6730 UNITS IF WE WERE TO ELIMINATE RENT BURDEN. SO AGAIN, THE IN ADDITION TO THE THE KIND OF PROCESS CHANGE OF GOING FROM AN A LA CARTE MENU OF PROJECTS TO SPECIFYING WHAT TYPES OF PROJECTS, WE'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A FEW CHANGES THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE ADMINISTRATIVE. WE'D LIKE TO REQUIRE PRE-APPLICATION MEETING THAT DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE POLICY. PURPOSE OF THIS IS JUST TO HELP ENSURE THAT A PROJECT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. IF IT'S SELECTED, THEY'VE GOT THE RIGHT SITE, THEY'VE GOT THEIR ZONING DONE CORRECTLY, THEY'RE SET TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. WE WANT TO REQUIRE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING TO NOTICE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S BEING BUILT IN THEIR AREA. THERE HAVE BEEN QUITE A FEW OF THESE PROJECTS WHERE THE PUBLIC HEARING HAPPENS. AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAID, WELL, WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS. THIS WASN'T TOLD US. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING IN FRONT OF THAT AND KEEPING OUR RESIDENTS INFORMED, AND A REQUIREMENT THAT IF A DEVELOPMENT IS SEEKING A TAX REDUCTION, IT MUST BE PARTNERED WITH A LOCAL ENTITY. WE'D ALSO LIKE TO IMPLEMENT A SCORING MATRIX, AND THAT'S HOW WE'LL SHOW COUNCIL'S PREFERENCE FOR PROJECTS. THAT MATRIX WILL BE INFORMED BY THE ANNUAL WORK SESSION AND THEN SOME MORE ADMINISTRATIVE PIECES LIKE ZONING VERIFICATION LETTERS AND THEN APPROVALS OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSING REVENUE BONDS. WE APPROVE SOME MULTIFAMILY HOUSING REVENUE BONDS RECENTLY.

THOSE WERE IN SUPPORT OF PROJECTS THAT WE APPROVED LAST WINTER. AND SO WE JUST WANT TO BRING THOSE THINGS TOGETHER. IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER A PROJECT AND APPROVE IT, WE WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO JUST DO IT AT ONE TIME INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DO IT MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. STAFF'S INITIAL SCORING MATRIX IS GOING TO FOCUS HEAVILY ON AFFORDABILITY, AND THEN ALSO IDENTIFIES PREFERENCES THAT COUNCIL HAS SET PREVIOUSLY FOR OPPORTUNITY INDEX AREAS FOR FOR SENIOR HOUSING REHABILITATION PROGRAM PARTICIPATION. THE. KIND OF LARGE POINT OF THIS MATRIX IS TO SET THRESHOLDS FOR CONSIDERATION FOR COUNCIL BASED ON THE TAX EXEMPTION. IF A PROPERTY IS PAYING ALL THEIR PROPERTY TAXES BECAUSE THE HOUSING TAX CREDITS IS BRINGING MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INTO DENTON, IT'S NOT CREATING A TAX IMPACT FOR THE FUTURE ON THE CITY, THE COUNTY OR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

WE WANT LOWER THRESHOLD. IT DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH OF AN IMPACT. OR IF THE IF A DEVELOPMENT THINKS THAT THEY CAN WIN THE TAX CREDIT, WE'RE HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT. IF THEY WANT A 50% TAX EXEMPTION, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO SCORE SOME ADDITIONAL POINTS. IF THEY WANT A 100% TAX EXEMPTION, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SCORE PRETTY HIGH. AND MOST OF THAT'S GOING TO COME FROM AFFORDABILITY AND THE PRODUCTION OF THOSE UNITS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE FOR DENTON. AGAIN, THOSE ARE THOSE 50 AND 30% UNITS THAT ARE GOING TO LEAD TO A RENT REDUCTION BELOW THE MARKET RATE. SOME DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE MIRRORING SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE SEEN HERE ARE SHOWN ON THE ON THE SCREEN.

AND THE FIRST EXAMPLE, A UNIT WITH 10% OF THEIR UNITS ARE 50% AMI OR VERY LOW INCOME. THEY SCORE HALF A POINT FOR EACH OF THOSE. THE PERCENTAGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS VERY LOW INCOME, THEY GET FIVE POINTS. THEY'RE 5% OF DEVELOPMENT IS AT THAT EXTREMELY LOW INCOME. THEY GET A POINT PER THAT'S FIVE POINTS THERE. THEY WOULD SCORE TEN POINTS IN TOTAL, BUT THEY WOULD NOT MEET ENOUGH TO BE CONSIDERED BY CITY COUNCIL WITH ONLY TEN POINTS OUT OF THE 40 THAT'S REQUIRED. LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS. EXAMPLE 224% OF THE THE PROPERTY IS AT THAT 50% AMI LEVEL. THAT'S ALMOST AT THAT THRESHOLD. SO THIS WOULD BE OUR CHANCE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE DEVELOPER AND SAY, HEY, WE SEE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO

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DEVELOPERS OR PROJECTS THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO COUNCIL. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND DIRECTION. IF YOU IF WE COULD PLEASE REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT

ONE. >> CLARIFY AGAIN WITH ME WHEN YOU SAY THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR PRIORITIES, THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S COLLECTIVE OR IS IT GOING TO BE PER DISTRICT OR, YOU KNOW, TELL ME WHAT I'M EXPECTED TO GIVE YOU WHEN I TELL YOU WHAT MY

PRIORITIES ARE. >> SO WE WOULD DO AN UPDATE LIKE WE DID ON WHERE WE SEE THE RENTAL MARKET, WHERE WE SEE AFFORDABILITY DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN WE WOULD PRESENT THE SCORING MATRIX WOULD BE FLEXIBLE EACH YEAR. SO THIS YEAR WE'RE PROPOSING THESE THRESHOLDS FOR CONSIDERATION. WE'RE PROPOSING THESE WEIGHTINGS TO IT BASED ON KIND OF THE ANALYSIS WE DID OF PROJECTS THAT HAD GONE THROUGH HISTORICALLY, AND LOOKING AT WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER THEIR PUBLIC BENEFIT AND SET THRESHOLDS FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE, COUNCIL COULD SAY, ACTUALLY, WE WE DON'T CARE ABOUT SENIOR HOUSING. WE DON'T WANT AWARD PREFERENCE POINTS FOR THAT. SO DON'T DO THOSE PROJECTS. AND SO THIS, THAT THAT ITEM WOULD FALL OFF. AND SOMETHING ELSE WOULD REPLACE IT OR MAY NOT.

>> AND SO WHEN YOU PRESENT THOSE TO US IT'S GOING TO SAY WE WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS NOW.

AND NEXT YEAR IT'S GOING TO BE AN ANNUAL CONVERSATION. >> SO THE THE CYCLE OF THIS GOES WE'RE GIVING YOU THIS UPDATE NOW IN DECEMBER IS WHEN THE THE APPLICATION WILL OPEN FOR DEVELOPMENTS. THEY'LL HAVE UNTIL JANUARY TO COMPLETE THEIR APPLICATION. WE'LL DO A A PUBLIC HEARING FOR IT. AND THEN BY FEBRUARY THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR RESOLUTIONS OF SUPPORT.

NO OBJECTION. >> OKAY. AND SO YOU ARE BRINGING US UP. THE ONES THAT YOU ALL HAVE VETTED OUT OR, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO EVERYTHING. AND SO ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS. IT SOUNDS LIKE A VERY QUICK TURNAROUND TYPE PROCESS. SO WE'RE TALKING

ABOUT WITHIN 30 DAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> THAT'S CORRECT. SO EVERY DEVELOPER WOULD SUBMIT THEIR PROFORMA. THEY WOULD SUBMIT THEIR UNIT MIX. THEY WOULD TELL US IF THEY'RE DOING THESE THINGS OR NOT. AND BECAUSE THE THE SCORING MATRIX IS IN MOST HEAVILY WEIGHTED ON JUST WHAT THE UNIT MIX IS AND HOW MANY UNITS ARE AFFORDABLE, FOR WHAT PROPORTION OF DEVELOPMENT IS AFFORDABLE FOR DENTON, IT'S NOT A DIFFICULT ANALYSIS. IT DOESN'T TAKE A TON OF TIME FOR US TO DO, AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO TURN THAT AROUND AND BRING IT

BACK TO YOU. >> OKAY. GO BACK TO THAT OTHER, THE ONE WITH THE FOUR THINGS.

>> THE EXAMPLE DEVELOPMENTS. >> YEAH. NO, NO TO THE END TOWARDS THE END. THAT RIGHT THERE DIRECTION. YOU KNOW, IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE EVERYTHING IS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH ON THE UP

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I AM GOING TO AGREE TO DO IT, BUT I THOUGHT I JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE.

>> AND WE'RE WE'RE COMMITTED TO BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS OUR FIRST YEAR OF DOING THIS.

THIS MATRIX WILL NOT BE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE BEST THAT IT CAN BE IN THIS FIRST YEAR, AND WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE FOR COUNCIL AND ISR THAT LISTS THAT. EVERY DEVELOPMENT THAT APPLIED WITH THE SAME KIND OF ANALYSIS THAT WE DID FOR WILL BASICALLY BE SHOWING OUR WORK, LET YOU KNOW WHICH ONES DIDN'T PASS THROUGH, WHY THEY DIDN'T PASS THROUGH. AND IF YOU SEE A DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU THINK IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY IT WOULDN'T MEET THE RUBRIC. BUT I AM REALLY INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT THIS. WE CAN ADJUST THAT AND POTENTIALLY

BRING IT FORWARD. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE

MAYOR PRO TEM. >> THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU, JESSE, FOR YOU AND ALL THE WORK THAT YOUR TEAM HAVE DONE ON THIS. I, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL CALLING OUT THE LACK OF DEEP AFFORDABILITY IN THE CITY AND THAT WE ARE PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SAY 80% AMI WE'RE REALLY SAYING THAT THAT'S ABOVE MARKET RATE FOR THE CITY OF DENTON BECAUSE OF US BEING LUMPED IN WITH THE DALLAS HUD DISTRICT IN TERMS OF DIRECTION SCORING MATRIX. I HAVE NO EDITS ON THAT OR THE SCORING. I'M HAPPY TO TRY IT OUT, SEE HOW IT GOES. I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ANNUAL WORK SESSION SO THAT WE CAN MAKE ANY REVISIONS NEEDED. UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS MAY NOT BE, LIKE YOU SAID, PERFECT OR THE BEST IT CAN BE RIGHT OFF THE BAT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. HOW DID YOU SAY WHEN THAT ISR WOULD COME OUT OR HOW OFTEN LIKE ANNUALLY,

OR. >> THE ISR ON WHICH PROJECTS WEREN'T SELECTED? WE WOULD DO IT AT THE END OF THE APPLICATION CYCLE. SO THE APPLICATIONS ARE OPEN THROUGH DECEMBER. WHEN THE APPLICATION CLOSES, WE'LL DO OUR ASSESSMENT AND GET IT OUT AT THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY. OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE BEFORE WE WOULD ACTUALLY BRING PROJECTS TO COUNCIL OKAY.

>> AND THEN I HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING REQUIREMENTS AND NEW PROCESSES. I WILL BE LOOKING AT EXHIBIT FOUR, THE DRAFT POLICY OKAY. SEE. ALL RIGHT. SO OUR REQUIREMENT FOR IF RECEIVING A TAX EXEMPTION OR REDUCTION THROUGH PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION, A PFC, A HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION. ET CETERA. ET CETERA. THAT ENTITY MUST BE LOCATED IN THE CITY OF DENTON. I JUST WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH MACK THAT THAT'S LEGALLY PERMITTED, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT LEGALLY. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION. AND THEN SECOND QUESTION. SO IT WAS UNDER IT'S STILL TO BE CONSIDERED ONE OF THE OPTIONS TO BE CONSIDERED IS SUBJECT TO A 50% PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION, 25 POINTS SUBJECT TO 100% PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION, 40 POINTS. I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS AN HTC POLICY, NOT THE TAX EXEMPTION. I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE TAX EXEMPTION TIES INTO THIS POLICY AND OUR REQUIREMENTS UNDER IT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT?

>> YEAH. SO THE THE IDEA IS FOR A LOT OF TAX EXEMPTIONS. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY COUNCIL HAS TO SAY WHETHER THEY WANT IT IN THEIR COMMUNITY OR NOT. FOR MANY PROPERTY TAX DEVELOPMENTS THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY PRODUCES, COUNCIL NEVER HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WE BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD USE OF PUBLIC FUNDING, THE TAX EXEMPTION OR NOT. AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO WEIGH IN ON ON THOSE PROJECTS AND TO HELP KIND OF LEND THEIR VOICE TO IF IT IS A GOOD USE OF TAXPAYER

FUNDING. >> OKAY. AND THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. SO IS IS THIS MORE OF A A STATEMENT AND A SUGGESTION AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING WE CAN REALLY ENFORCE?

AND FORCE IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. >> COUNCIL CAN THERE ARE NO SET PARAMETERS ON THE CRITERIA BY WHICH THE CITY LENDS ITS SUPPORT WITHIN WITHIN REASON TO

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ANYWHERE ON THAT SPECTRUM YOU WANT TO GO, OKAY. >> AND THEN SORT OF TIED TO THE TAX EXEMPTION ON THE UPDATED POLICY SUGGESTION, IT'S BASICALLY IF IF YOU, THE DEVELOPER THINK THAT YOU WILL SEEK TAX EXEMPTION, PLEASE BEHAVE AS THOUGH YOU WILL FROM THE GET GO. WHEN YOU APPROACH US ABOUT HTC, BECAUSE IF YOU BEHAVE AS THOUGH YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ASK FOR TAX EXEMPTION AND THEN YOU DO, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO US TO

RECONSIDER, RIGHT? I THINK THE LETTER RIGHT. >> I THINK THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT STUFF SET WHEN THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE STATE, WHEN THEY BEFORE THEY CAN COLLECT TAX CREDITS FROM THE STATE. I THINK THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR OWNERSHIP STRUCTURE

COMPLETED, WHICH IS WHERE THEY THEY GET THE TAX EXEMPTION FROM. >> OKAY. AND THEN NOW I'M ON TO THE APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS. SO PRE-APPLICATION MEETING I THINK I HAVE A WRITTEN RESPONSE TO THIS. BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN SORT OF WHAT Y'ALL WOULD TALK ABOUT IN THE PRE-APPLICATION

MEETING. >> THE PRE-APPLICATION MEETING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL GOING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS HERE IN IN DENTON, WE MAKE SURE THEY KNOW WHICH WHICH PROPERTY THEY'RE GOING ON, THAT IT'S ZONED APPROPRIATELY, THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE A GIANT TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, AND THEY CAN'T ACTUALLY DEVELOP IT. WE JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY PROJECT GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, GET AWARDED HOUSING TAX CREDITS, ONLY TO FIND OUT WHEN THEY GO TO PULL PERMITS, THAT THIS ACTUALLY ISN'T GOING TO BE GOOD.

>> AND THEN HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT? DIFFERENT FROM THE PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE?

>> I THINK THAT'S THE EXCUSE ME, THAT'S THE PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND ONE WITH COMMUNITY SERVICES, WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE POLICY, WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT THEIR AFFORDABILITY MIX, AND WE TRY AND DO A LITTLE NEGOTIATING TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME MORE, EITHER AFFORDABILITY OR SOME OF THE COUNCIL'S OTHER PRIORITIES.

OKAY. >> AND THEN I DID GET SOME FEEDBACK REGARDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING SUGGESTION. THEY WOULD LIKE MORE SPECIFICITY IN TERMS OF HOW FAR IN ADVANCE OR HOW HOW MANY DAYS BEFORE THE SUBMISSION MUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING TAKE PLACE.

SO THE WAY IT'S PHRASED, IT SAYS BEFORE THE SUBMISSION, WHICH IN THEORY COULD BE THE DAY BEFORE. SO THEY WOULD LIKE MORE SPECIFICITY IF THAT'S FEASIBLE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING HAPPENS MORE THAN ONE DAY BEFORE THE SUBMISSION, BASICALLY. SO HAVING SOME SORT OF SET TIMELINE THERE IF FEASIBLE. AND THEN ALSO SPECIFICITY ON WHAT DATE LIKE HOW MUCH NOTICE THEY SHOULD HAVE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. SO BY WHAT DATE WOULD THE THE NOTICE NEED TO GO INTO THE MAIL TO NOTIFY PEOPLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING SO THEY HAVE TIME TO RESPOND AND BE ABLE TO BE THERE?

>> WE WOULD FOLLOW THE TYPICAL DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE FOR NOTICING WITH THE POLICY. DRAFT DOES SPECIFY THAT THE SCHEDULE MUST BE BEFORE JANUARY 24TH OR PRIOR. WE CAN WE CAN ADD SOME MORE INFORMATION TO THE TIMELINE THERE. BUT AS FAR AS FOR NOTICING, THE DEPARTMENT WOULD NOTICE. SO WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER AND SAID, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS REQUIREMENT OF NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING? AND THEY SAID, I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW WE WOULD DO THAT. WE LET THEM KNOW KNOW THAT WE WOULD DO THAT. BUT WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU FOR THE THE COST OF THE POSTAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEY SAID, ACTUALLY, THAT WORKS

GREAT. THAT HELPS US. >> OKAY. AND THEN I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING SOMEWHERE AND TELL ME IF I'M GETTING THIS INCORRECT, BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER THAT THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC NOTIFICATION AT SOME POINT. SO THAT'S NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING

SPECIFICALLY. >> THAT'S THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FEASIBLE. THERE WAS ALSO A REQUEST THAT THE PEOPLE WITHIN 500FT WOULD BE NOTIFIED THAT THIS IS EVEN STARTING TO HAPPEN PRIOR TO EVEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. IF IF YOU FOLLOW THAT.

>> YEAH, I THINK. >> LIKE A HEADS UP, I THINK. >> WE CAN WE CAN LOOK AT WAYS WHERE WE CAN MAKE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE WHICH WHO IS APPLIED. AND THAT MIGHT BE BECAUSE THAT PERSON SOUNDS LIKE THEY MIGHT BE REALLY INTERESTED, AND THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO MIGHT JUST LOOK, IF WE WERE TO SAY, HERE'S ALL THE LIST OF PEOPLE WHO'VE APPLIED. BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS IN YOUR AREA MIGHT BE SUFFICIENT UNDERSTANDING.

>> WE CAN REVISIT THIS LATER AND, YOU KNOW, ADD DETAILS IF WE NEED TO. AND THEN I THINK THIS IS MY ONE OF MY FINAL QUESTIONS. CAN YOU SAY ONE MORE TIME THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THE STANDARD DEADLINE INSTEAD OF THE ANNUAL SCHEDULE FOR COMPETITIVE, IT LOOKS LIKE.

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>> IT'S BECAUSE THE STATE HAS A STANDARD DEADLINE FOR THE COMPETITIVE FOR THE 9%. THEY SAID AN ANNUAL REQUIREMENT. AND SO WE JUST KIND OF WALK BACK FROM THEIR DEADLINE, OKAY.

>> BECAUSE I THINK WE HAD THE PREVIOUS POLICY SAID AN ANNUAL LIKE AN ANNUAL SCHEDULE IS WHAT

I THINK IT SAID. >> IT OCCURS EVERY YEAR. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE WORDING, BUT THC DOES THE COMPETITIVE THEY HAVE A CYCLE FOR IT, AND WE JUST TRY AND WALK BACK TO MAKE

SURE THAT WE CAN MEET THEIR PORTION OF IT. >> OKAY. I AM HAPPY TO TRY THIS OUT. I APPRECIATE THE INCLUSION OF ISR SO WE CAN SORT OF EVALUATE HOW IT'S GOING.

PROBABLY MY BIGGEST CONCERN IN THE WHOLE THING IS THAT WE NOT ACCIDENTALLY HAVE SO MANY REQUIREMENTS THAT WE GO FROM SOME TO ZERO IN TERMS OF GETTING MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS.

SO WE'RE DOING THIS TO TRY TO GET DEEPLY AFFORDABLE UNITS. AND SO I DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY WANT US TO KEEP AN EYE ON. DID WE GO FROM GETTING SOME AFFORDABLE UNITS TO ABSOLUTELY ZERO BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LIKE I'M NOT TOUCHING THAT ANYMORE. BUT WE'LL SEE THAT BASED ON HOW

MANY APPLICATIONS WE'RE GETTING, I THINK. >> WELL, YEAH, WE WILL SEE THAT.

I THINK IT'S JUST A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL OF ARE SOME AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE A HANDFUL OF AFFORDABLE UNITS WORTH OF VERY LARGE TAX EXEMPTION. BECAUSE THE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A TAX EXEMPT PROPERTY ARE VERY LOW. AND IT'S FOR THAT REASON SO THAT A DEVELOPER WHO WANTS TO BRING SOME AFFORDABLE, AFFORDABLE UNITS TO THE TO THE CITY, THEY'RE NOT GETTING

TRIPPED UP ON THIS WITH WITH REALLY STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS. >> SURE. AND I DEFINITELY ALIGN WITH THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T THROW EVERY OR WE SHOULDN'T BE. WE BE WILLING TO DO THESE HUGE PROJECTS THAT ONLY HAVE TINY BITS MORE. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE ALMOST MAKE IT TOO HARD FOR SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO DELIVER THE 30S AND 30 AND 50% AMI THAT WE'VE ALMOST MADE THAT TOO DIFFICULT IN SOME WAYS. SO JUST KEEPING AN EYE ON IF THERE'S SOMETHING

THAT'S MAKING THAT TOO HARD. >> YES. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY THE GRACE PERIOD THIS FIRST YEAR IS SO IMPORTANT TO US TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S SOMEONE WHO'S REALLY TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, THEY SAY, LOOK AT THIS, HERE'S THIS PROJECT, THAT THIS IS AS MUCH AS I CAN ABSOLUTELY DO, AND I'M DOING THE BEST I CAN. WE CAN STILL LET YOU KNOW. WE CAN STILL HAVE SOME GRACE AND LATITUDE, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING.

>> SURE APPRECIATE IT, JESSIE. THANK YOU. MAYOR. >> ALL RIGHT. REPRESENTATIVE

FROM DISTRICT SIX. >> THANK YOU. FIRST, I WANT TO SAY I WISH I HAD SOME KIND OF AWARD WITH ME. NOT NECESSARILY THE CHICKEN WING HOT CHICKEN WING AWARD, BUT I WISH I HAD SOME KIND OF AN AWARD THAT I COULD PRESENT TO YOU. AND I ALSO WANT TO SHOUT OUT LEAH ATKINSON, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN ON THE RADAR FOR A WHILE. THERE'S EVEN BEEN ARTICLES FROM THE WATCHDOG IN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS. BUT THE WAY THAT YOU ALL HAVE TAKEN WHAT IS IN WHAT IS A FORCE FOR GOOD IN TEXAS, EXEMPTIONS FOR TO ENCOURAGE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DIG DOWN WITH THE INFORMATION TO WHERE WE CAN SEE IN BLACK AND WHITE THAT WE ARE GIVEN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN TAX EXEMPTIONS TO GROUPS COMING IN TO BUILD HOUSING. THAT IS ABOVE EVEN THE MARKET RATE HERE IN THE CITY OF DENTON. AND SO I THINK THIS PRESENTATION IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE, SHOWING THAT OUR CITY IS CONCERNED ABOUT BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE USING THE DOLLARS FOR WHAT THE NEEDS OF OUR CITIZENS REALLY ARE, WHICH IS VERY CLEARLY IN THIS 30% 50% AREAS. AND SO IT WAS VERY EYE OPENING. I FOUND IT ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING. BUT THIS IS GOOD GOVERNMENT AT WORK. AND WHILE YOU SAID THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME TO TRY THE MATRIX. ET CETERA. NO ONE'S EXPECTING EVERYTHING TO BE PERFECT. I THINK THIS IS A HUGE STEP FOR OUR CITY IN DELIVERING WHAT IS NEEDED IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHILE BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND NOT. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT WAY IS TO SAY, BUT PUTTING MONEY, LOOKING AT WHERE WE WERE WITH THE SHORTFALL LAST YEAR WITH OUR BUDGET AND WHERE THOSE MONIES COULD BE USED AWAY FROM THOSE THAT ARE BUILDING WHAT IS NOT NEEDED TO BE INCENTIVIZED. SO FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A BIG SHOUT OUT FOR ALL OF THE WORK THAT OBVIOUSLY WENT IN TO DRILLING DOWN TO ALL THIS INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO THE CITY OF DENTON VERSUS THE ENTIRE DALLAS AREA, SO WE CAN KNOW IF WE'RE MAKING GOOD DECISIONS. SO THANK YOU ON THAT. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WILL KNOW THE ANSWER. SO IT'S OKAY IF YOU DON'T. THEY'RE NOT RIGHT IN HERE. I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED THAT WE ARE SPECIFIC TO DENTON COUNTY AS

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>> I'M SORRY, WHICH ORGANIZATION ARE. >> THE HOUSING CORPORATIONS

THAT COME AND ASK FOR THESE EXEMPTIONS? >> YES, THAT'S WE ARE TALKING

SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CITY OF DENTON. YES, MA'AM. >> COPY THAT. THANK YOU. I ALSO WANT TO KNOW THAT I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COUNCIL PERSON RUMOR THAT I THINK THAT SOME KIND OF SPECIFICS, AS FAR AS WHAT KIND OF LEAD TIME FOR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS ARE IN THE AREA OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, EASILY ACCESSIBLE, BUT THAT THERE IS SOME KIND OF LEAD TIME? I THINK THAT IS ALWAYS A CONCERN THAT THE CITIZENS IN THE AREA DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN ENOUGH TIME BEFORE, AS AS YOU'VE SAID BEFORE, AS FAR AS CATCHING THE PROJECT BEFORE, THEY'VE SPENT TOO MUCH MONEY. IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO WORK FOR OUR COMMUNITY. LASTLY, I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE DURATION OF THE CURRENT TAX EXEMPTIONS. IT SEEMS LIKE I SAW ONE THAT WAS FROM THE 1970S.

ARE THESE PERPETUAL IN DURATION FOR IS THIS STATUTORY? IS THIS A CITY POLICY AND IS THERE A WAY TO CLAW BACK? I MEAN, NO ONE WANTS TO PULL THE RUG OUT FROM ANYONE. HOWEVER, IF THERE HAVE BEEN DECADES AND DECADES OF TAX EXEMPTIONS THAT ARE NOT IN LINE WITH OUR NEEDS AND WHAT IS, AND THEY CAN MAKE MONEY WITHOUT THE TAX EXEMPTION BECAUSE THEY'RE ABOVE MARKET RATE, AND WE COULD USE THOSE FUNDS SOMEWHERE ELSE. DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT CAN YOU

TELL ME ABOUT THE DURATION, PLEASE? >> SURE. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE CHAPTER OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE THAT THE THE ORGANIZATION WAS FOUNDED IN THAT PARTNERED SO FOR 303, WHICH ARE PFC PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATIONS. THOSE EXEMPTIONS EXPIRE 60 YEARS AFTER NEW CONSTRUCTION OR 30 YEARS AFTER A ACQUISITION. FOR DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE AUTHORIZED UNDER 392, WHICH IS THE THE HOUSING AUTHORITY STATUTE, THOSE EXEMPTIONS DO NOT EXPIRE AS LONG AS AT LEAST 50% OF THE UNITS ARE DEDICATED TO HOUSEHOLDS AT 80% AMI OR BELOW. I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION OF WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE TO PULL A PROPERTY OFF OF THE TO PUT IT BACK ON THE TAX ROLL? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE THE PROCESS LOOKS LIKE OR

IF THERE IS A MECHANISM FOR THAT. >> WELL, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER PUTTING THAT ON OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA AS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT, BECAUSE BEING HAMSTRUNG FOR 60 YEARS OR IN PERPETUITY. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE OUTDATED INFORMATION BEING USED FOR PRESENT DAY VALUES. AND AGAIN, OUR CITY COULD DEFINITELY UTILIZE THESE FUNDS ELSEWHERE FOR THOSE REALLY IN IN NEED. SO ANYWAYS, AGAIN, I JUST CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR BRINGING THIS TO US AGAIN. THERE'S A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NUTS AND BOLTS AND THE DETAILS OF IT. HOWEVER, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THIS IS A HUGE STEP FORWARD IN IDENTIFYING WHAT THE TRUE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY ARE MEETING THOSE NEEDS OF THOSE THAT ARE IN THE MOST NEED, AND ALSO BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH WHERE WE'RE GIVING TAX CUTS.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING TO CUT EVERY YEAR IN OTHER AREAS. SO I'LL STOP HERE. BUT THANK

YOU VERY MUCH AND JOB WELL DONE. EVERYONE THAT WORKED ON THIS. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE 542. >> JESSE, I JUST GAVE YOU YOUR FLOWERS IN PRIVATE, SO I ECHO EVERYTHING COUNCILMEMBER JESTER SAID. SO I'M GOING TO START WITH THE SCORING MATRIX. YES, SIR. IT WOULD SEEM TO ME I UNDERSTAND IF YOU JUST DID THIS FOR FOR EASE TO GET TO 100. NO PROBLEM. BUT IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THIS BODY MIGHT CONSIDER ASSIGNING MORE VALUE TO THINGS THAT WE DEEM MORE IMPORTANT. THIS IS TOP OF MIND.

IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE JUST HAD THIS CONVERSATION A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, REHABILITATION ONLY BEING WORTH 10%. JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, HOW DID WE JUST GET THE TEN? WHY ISN'T IT 20? DID

YOU JUST GET TO 100? BECAUSE IT'S EAT FOR EASE? >> NO, IT DIDN'T GET TO 100 FOR EASE. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE SCORING HIGH ON AFFORDABILITY. WE LOOKED AT THE.

ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE THRESHOLDS FOR CONSIDERATION. WE LOOKED AT PROJECTS THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY GONE THROUGH AND SAID, OKAY, WOULD THIS EVEN BE FEASIBLE BASED ON THE PROFORMA THEY SUBMITTED? WOULD IT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN? AND WE ACTUALLY ENDED UP ADJUSTING OUR OUR NUMBER DOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE BEING

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WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE IN THE FUTURE TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING. HERE'S A DOLLAR VALUE THAT'S KIND OF ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. HOW MUCH IS THIS WORTH TO YOU? YEAH. AND TO BE ABLE TO ADD MORE NUANCE TO IT. SO WE'VE WE'VE GONE FROM JUST SAYING ANYTHING IS AS GOOD AS ANYTHING ELSE. AND IF YOU DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, IT'S THE SAME TO ADDING A LITTLE BIT MORE RESOLUTION, SAYING, OKAY, WELL, ACTUALLY SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHERS. WE THINK THAT AFFORDABILITY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. AND THEN THESE OTHER THINGS, WE KNOW THAT COUNCIL HAS SAID THAT THEY'RE VALUABLE TO THEM. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DON'T HAVE GREAT RESOLUTION INTO EXACTLY HOW VALUABLE OR

WHAT DOLLAR VALUE TO ASSIGN. >> THIS IS A GOOD START, CERTAINLY NOT DISCOUNTING THAT.

BUT YES, I THINK YOU'VE PINPOINTED WHERE WE NEED TO GO AND AND FUTURE ITERATIONS OF THIS CONVERSATION. SO JUST FOR YOUR OWN KNOWLEDGE, I'M VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT THE BODY HAS TO SAY ABOUT WHAT IS MORE VALUABLE THAN, THAN OTHER THINGS. YES, SIR. SO I PERSONALLY YEAH I'M APPRECIATE THAT. SO. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THE NUMBER. I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO KNOW THE NUMBER. PERHAPS MAYBE LAND ON A PERCENTAGE. SO I UNDERSTAND HOW MANY HOW MANY AFFORDABLE UNITS WE HAVE. HOW MANY. YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL HAS AUTHORIZED. PREVIOUS COUNCIL AUTHORIZED. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY ARE STILL ON THE GROUND TODAY?

>> HOW MANY UNITS ARE STILL ON THE GROUND TODAY? YES, I DO, SO JUST SOME NUMBERS CURRENTLY THERE. DENTON HAS ABOUT 29,000 MULTIFAMILY UNITS. THAT'S APARTMENTS IN TOTAL. OF THOSE, ABOUT 6700 BELONG TO AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENTS. SO THOSE ARE UNITS WHETHER THEY ARE MARKET RATE OR NOT THAT ARE IN AN AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENT, 4800 OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY INCOME RESTRICTED. AROUND 1900 TO THE THE APARTMENTS IN THOSE AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENTS ARE JUST UNRESTRICTED MARKET RATE. 500 ARE THE 50% OR ABOUT 500, ABOUT 50% OR 30%. THOSE

AFFORDABLE FOR DENTON UNITS. >> SO I'M I'M KIND OF PICKING UP WHERE AGAIN WHERE COUNCILMEMBER JESTER LEFT OFF. SO GIVE ME A PERCENTAGE. OVERALL, THE TOTAL MULTIFAMILY UNITS INCLUDE ALL ALL ITERATIONS OF AFFORDABLE. HOW MANY AFFORDABLE UNITS DO WE

HAVE? WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE. >> OF ALL OF THE TOTAL UNITS? >> YES.

>> LET'S SEE. >> AND WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING, LET ME TELL YOU WHY I'M ASKING THAT. I'M TRYING TO SEE WHERE DENTON IS IN REGION THREE. BECAUSE IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE PLUS OR MINUS, THAT ABSOLUTELY IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN OUR

LEGISLATIVE AGENDA. YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT. >> FOR THE THE HOUSING REGION, FOR THE DHEA? YES. I'M NOT SURE HOW HOW DOES IT PLAY INTO THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA?

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY DATA ON THIS, WHICH IS WHY I'M LOOKING FOR THE DATA. BUT I WOULD I WOULD ASSUME THAT BASED ON OTHER CITIES AND DISTRICT THREE, THAT DENTON MIGHT BE A LITTLE BEHIND IN TERMS OF THE PERCENTAGE OF AFFORDABLE UNITS WE HAVE, BASED ON THE OVERALL

NUMBER OF UNITS WE HAVE. >> AND THAT'S THE TRICKY THING. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER, IS THAT AFFORDABLE UNITS, AN 80% UNIT IS HUD DEFINED AFFORDABLE? YES.

>> I WAS INCLUDED FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE CONVERSATION ANYWAY. YES.

>> GO AHEAD AND DOWN IN LEWISVILLE, AN 80% UNIT IS AFFORDABLE. IT DOES LEAD TO A SMALL RENT REDUCTION. IT'S JUST HERE IN DENTON. AND I CAN LOOK MORE AT THE METROPLEX MORE GENERALLY. BUT YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE DEFINITELY DOWN. IT'S 500 DIVIDED BY 29,000 OKAY.

>> YEAH. NOT NOT FOR TODAY. YOU CAN STOP BUT MAYBE MAYBE IN THE FUTURE ISR I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU COULD MAYBE SCORE US BASED ON THE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE IN OUR REGION. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE TO DO IT OUTSIDE OF OUR REGION UNLESS YOU THINK BETTER. BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT REGION THREE. YES, SIR. SO. OKAY, SO MOVING ON. I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE WE WANT TO ADD A REQUIREMENT THAT AN AFFORDABLE DEVELOPER MUST PARTNER WITH LOCAL AGENCY.

UNDERSTANDABLE. BUT BASED ON SOMETHING THAT MAYOR PRO TEM SAID. SO IF A DEVELOPER WANTS TO PARTNER WITH LOCAL AGENCY AND STATE AGENCY DOESN'T HAVE CAPACITY FOR WHATEVER REASON, SAYS NO, WHAT IS STAFF THOUGHTS ABOUT POSSIBLY NOT BEING ABLE TO GREENLIGHT AS MANY

AFFORDABLE UNITS? OVERALL. >> I'VE NOT HEARD THE CONCERN THAT THE THE EXISTING AGENCIES WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH. WE WE'RE FORTUNATE IN SOME REGARD THAT WE HAVE OUR OWN PSC. WHERE. YOU TELL STAFF TO MAKE IT A PRIORITY, WE'LL MAKE A PRIORITY, WE'LL GET IT DONE, AND WE'LL HAVE MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S DONE THROUGH OUR OWN PSC TO GRANT TAX EXEMPTION. THE. I DON'T

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CERTAINLY GET TO THAT BRIDGE. >> I APPRECIATE THAT YOU BROUGHT UP THE PSC CONVERSATION.

AM I CORRECT IN WONDERING WHY THIS CONVERSATION, THE PSC CONVERSATION, ARE NOT MORE LINKED, WHY THOSE TWO THINGS ARE SEPARATE AND APART FROM EACH OTHER? IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD KIND OF BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AT THE SAME TIME, PERHAPS EVEN ON THE SAME WORK

SESSION. >> SO THE THE PSC, THE REASON THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE DISTINCT IS BECAUSE EVERYONE WHO WANTS A TAX OR A HOUSING TAX CREDIT, WHETHER THEY ARE PARTNERED WITH A TAX EXEMPT ENTITY OR NOT, HAS TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THEY MUST GET THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR PROJECT. AND SO WE WANT A STANDALONE PROCESS THAT IS GENERALLY APPLICABLE. WE'RE HAVING A PSC MEETING ON DECEMBER 16TH, AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THE PSC ROLE IN HOUSING TAX CREDITS AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING MORE GENERALLY. AND I DEFINITELY THINK THAT AT THOSE FUTURE WORK SESSIONS, IF COUNCIL APPROVES IT, WHERE WE'RE KIND OF DOING UPDATES AND WE'RE GIVING GETTING DIRECTION, WE SHOULD DEFINITELY INCLUDE YOUR RIGHT, THE PSC IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND HOW THAT SHOULD FIT IN WITH

IT. >> OKAY. AND I GUESS I'VE GOT I GUESS I'VE JUST GOT ONE MORE QUESTION AND PERHAPS JUST COMMENTS FOR THE GENERAL BODY AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS.

I'M GENERALLY SPEAKING, I'M IN FAVOR OF ALL THESE. I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, BUT JUST SO I'LL ASK IT OUT LOUD. WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION WITH ANY AFFORDABLE DEVELOPERS ABOUT

POSSIBLY CHANGING THE THRESHOLD FOR FOR ALL OF THIS? >> SO WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME DEVELOPERS. ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS WE HAD CONVERSATION WITH, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING, WHO HAD DONE DEVELOPMENT HERE IN DENTON, SAID, ACTUALLY, WE DON'T WANT TO DO A TAX EXEMPTION AT ALL. WE'D RATHER NOT PARTNER WITH ANYONE. WE'D RATHER JUST KNOCK OUR PROJECT OUT, WHICH WAS SOMEWHAT SURPRISING TO ME. WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND JUST KIND OF LET THEM KNOW THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING, BUT THE THE THRESHOLD CONVERSATION DIDN'T HAPPEN. STAFF ARE GOING TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY BOARD MEETING DECEMBER 16TH IN DECEMBER TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THIS MATRIX AND WHAT THE THE SCORING MEANS FOR ANY PROJECT THEY MIGHT BE CONSIDERING, AND GETTING THEIR FEEDBACK AND

LETTING THEM KNOW. >> I GUESS. BUT I'M I'M ASKING AND SUGGESTING SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. BEFORE WE HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THIS BODY ABOUT IMPACT FEES, STAFF BROUGHT TOGETHER A NUMBER OF REPRESENTATIVES IN THE COMMUNITY BUILDER, HOME BUILDERS, AND DEVELOPERS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT DONE SPECIFICALLY WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS JUST TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK. AND HERE'S WHY. AGAIN, COUNCILMEMBER JESTER MENTIONED OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA. DEVELOPERS CONTRIBUTE QUITE A LOT OF MONEY TO MEMBERS OF THE STATE HOUSE. IN THE STATE SENATE, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY RAISING THE THRESHOLD, WHICH I'M OKAY WITH, BUT IT MIGHT BE NICE TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK IN CASE THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE'VE MISSED, BECAUSE IF WE'RE A LITTLE TOO HEAVY HANDED, WE'RE ASKING FOR LEGISLATION.

WE'RE ASKING FOR MORE STATE OVERSIGHT OVER THIS. SO THAT THAT IS A CONCERN FOR MINE OF

MINE. >> WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE ARE SETTING UP THE WEBSITE AND THE APPLICATION PORTAL, WE'RE INCLUDING SOME WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET FEEDBACK ON THE THE RUBRIC, ON THE PROCESS, ON WHAT THEY THINK OF IT. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR LOCAL PARTNERS TO CONTINUE TO SOLICIT THEIR FEEDBACK ON THE PROCESS, AND WE'LL APPLY GRACE THIS YEAR.

>> AND TO JUST ONE MORE TIME. I'M NOT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE AGENCIES. I'M TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY LOCAL HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS LIKE, YOU KNOW, OKAY, JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION AGAIN. WELL DONE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP. THANKS. MAYOR.

>> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. THERE'S A CLOCK UP THERE IN THE WITH RED NUMBERS IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND WE ALREADY HAVE SUPPORT, JUST LAY IT OUT THERE.

>> I'LL TRY TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. YEP. JESSE, YOU HAVE A UNIQUENESS IN BEING ABLE TO. TO PUT THINGS INTO A SCORE. AND I AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THAT. I FOUND THIS INTERESTING AND IT AND IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I WANTED TO MENTION. SOME DEVELOPERS THAT YOU MET WITH DON'T WANT A TAX EXEMPTION. THEY JUST WANT TO KNOCK IT OUT. WOULD YOU GO TO

SLIDE? SLIDE 12 PLEASE? >> YES, SIR. >> I'M OKAY. NOT SET TO NOT

SLIDE 12. THE ONE SHOWING THE 80%, THE 50% AND THE 30%. >> OF THE THE INCOME OF THIS

ONE. >> RIGHT? NO, THAT'S NOT IT EITHER. DOUG. GOT IT. I'M SORRY.

I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY THERE IS SO MANY THERE AT 80%. >> THAT WERE DEVELOPED.

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>> YEAH. >> IT'S COST EFFECTIVE FOR DEVELOPERS TO BUILD 80% UNITS.

YOU CAN GET MARKET RATE FOR THEM HERE. WE HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPERS WHO BUILD MARKET RATE UNITS IN THE CITY OF DENTON WITHOUT ANY SORT OF EXEMPTION OR CREDIT. SO IF YOU CAN BUILD MARKET RATE FOR WITH WITH THE SURPLUS OF FUNDING, THAT'S COST EFFECTIVE, OKAY.

>> BUT THERE'S CLEARLY A NEED. >> IN 50 AND 30%. YES, SIR. >> AND I'M JUST WONDERING I MEAN I'M A MARKET GUY. SO IF THE MARKET IS THERE WHY AREN'T PEOPLE WHY AREN'T DEVELOPERS

TRYING TO FILL THAT VOID? >> YEAH, THEY WOULD TELL. THEY WOULD SAY THAT IT'S IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE TO DO THIS WHERE WE CAN'T MAKE THESE PROJECTS. PENCIL IS THE FEEDBACK WE HEAR.

IT MIGHT BE THE CASE THAT THE MARGIN THEY GET IS NOT GOING TO BE LARGE ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY THEIR TIME. AND AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS THEN THE POLICY KIND OF LENDS TO WELL, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN TAX EXEMPTION BUT NO RENT REDUCTION, WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT THAT'S NOT A GOOD ENOUGH REASON.

>> OKAY. ARE THESE ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS APARTMENTS. NEVER HOUSES.

>> YES, SIR. HOUSING TAX CREDIT POLICY IS MULTIFAMILY ONLY. >> ONLY OKAY. INTERESTING. AS

FAR AS NOTIFYING NEIGHBORHOODS, HOW IS NOTICE GIVEN. >> WE DO IT?

>> THE SAME REASON. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. THE REASON I ASK IS EVERY TIME I GO TO A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, I ALWAYS HEAR FROM SOMEBODY THAT DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IN THE WORLD WAS GOING ON, JUST JUST COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS TO WHAT'S GOING ON.

>> YES, SIR. WE WOULD FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS THAT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DOES WHEN THEY DO ZONING CHANGES OR WHEN THEY DO NOTICES OF PUBLIC MEETING FOR DEVELOPMENTS.

>> IS THAT ADEQUATE? >> WELL, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION FOR CITY MANAGEMENT.

>> OKAY. >> I'M NOT SURE. >> AND OUR NOTICE IS SENT TO

OWNERS AND RESIDENTS. >> I BELIEVE THEY'RE SENT TO OWNERS AT THE ADDRESS THAT'S ON THE THE TAX ROLL FOR THE THE PROPERTY, NOT NECESSARILY FOR RESIDENTS.

>> OKAY. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MULTIFAMILY EXAMPLE, THE OWNER OF THE APARTMENT MIGHT GET NOTICE AND NONE OF THE RESIDENTS WOULD GET NOTICE

CONCEIVABLY. >> YES I THINK THAT'S WHAT DOES OCCUR.

>> OKAY OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS. THANK YOU MAYOR.

>> YES, SIR. AND ARE YOU IN SUPPORT? NOT SUPPORT. I DIDN'T PICK UP.

>> YES, I AM SUPPORTIVE. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO.

>> THANK YOU. AND WE'VE ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS, SO I'LL TRY TO NARROW IT DOWN. I WILL I WILL NARROW IT DOWN ON THE ON THE PRAISE. I THINK WE ARE ALL REALLY, REALLY ENJOYING YOUR DATA CENTRIC APPROACH AND THE CODIFICATION OF SOMEWHAT ARCANE DEVELOPMENT NEEDS INTO SETS OF OF NUMERIC RULES THAT MAKE IT EASY, EASIER FOR US TO DIGEST THIS VERY COMPLEX THING. SO, SO GOOD ON YOU. THAT'S EXCELLENT. I THINK IT MAKES OUR JOB EASIER AND THAT'S ALWAYS APPRECIATED. E ESSENTIALLY ON THE ON THE NEW REX, THE NEW REQUIREMENTS. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ESSENTIALLY

MOVING THE THE PACK EARLIER. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> THERE WAS JUST NO PACK REQUIRED INVOLVED IN THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROCESS. SO WE'RE CREATING A PROCESS. IT DOES I THINK MOVE IT UP EARLIER A BIT. IF IF YOU WERE TO BE AWARDED AND YOU WERE TO GO

THROUGH DEVELOPMENT, IT DOES MOVE IT UP SOONER. >> IN THE SENSE THAT THE WHOLE PROCESS, FROM THE TIME WE ACTUALLY GET RENTERS IN THE BUILDING REQUIRES A PACK IN THERE SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? WE'RE MOVING IT AHEAD IN THAT PROCESS. OKAY. AND THEN I'M GOING TO CONCUR WITH, I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD THE REST OF THE BODY IN TERMS OF NOTIFICATION, I THINK YOU HAD A LOT OF INTEREST IN MORE MEETINGS WITH SOME TIME FRAME. I'M DEFINITELY ON BOARD WITH THAT. SOME DELTA BEFORE THE THE VOTE OF COUNCIL, I WOULD ASK IF WE COULD HAVE THOSE EARLIER IN THE PROCESS. SO IF YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE NOT JUST ONE BUT SAY TWO OR MORE, AND IF WE COULD AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE BE EARLIER IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE IT'S BETTER FOR EVERYONE IF WE FAIL QUICKLY, IF WE'RE GOING TO FAIL, THEN THAN TO FAIL AT THE END OF THE PROCESS. SO YOU DON'T WANT THOSE MEETINGS AT THE LAST MOMENT? I THINK YOU DOUBLE DOWN ON WHAT COUNCILOR BYRD AND COUNCILMEMBER MAYOR PRO TEM SAID. AND THAT IS THERE IS I THINK THERE WILL BE IN THIS COUNCIL AND FUTURE COUNCILORS, A DESIRE TO KEEP THEIR FINGER ON THE PULSE OF SOME OF THESE. SO IF YOUR INTENT, IF STAFF'S SUGGESTION IS TO DO THESE AS A REGULAR ISR, YOU KNOW, AS, AS INFORMATION COMES IN, HERE'S ONE WE DID OR DID NOT, WE WILL OR WILL NOT RECOMMEND IT. GOING INTO THE POOL OF THINGS, WE'LL RECOMMEND I. THAT SOUNDS ADEQUATE TO ME AS A FIRST PASS. SO BUT YES, CAN YOU I THINK AT LEAST DURING THESE FIRST FEW

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>> IT'S BECAUSE THE CURVES FOR AMI ARE SET BY INCOME. SO THOSE THOSE CURVES ARE TIED TO THE AREA'S INCOME. WHEREAS THE THE YELLOW CURVE, THE MARKET RATE IS JUST WHAT THE THE GOING RATE IS. WHEN WE LOOK AT KIND OF OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, OVER THE LAST NINE YEARS ON THIS CHART, YOU KNOW, RENT HAS INCREASED BY 66%. THERE'S BEEN A 48% INCREASE IN MEDIAN INCOME, AND INFLATION HAS BEEN 35%. SO THERE THE THE LINES ARE TIED TO DIFFERENT THINGS.

>> I APPRECIATE I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER. I MEAN THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I WAS EXPECTING. BUT I WANT I WANTED TO TO HEAR STAFF'S APPROACH ON THAT. LET'S SEE OKAY. JUST JUST SO THAT I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND COULD EXPLAIN TO SOMEONE ELSE, IS IT THAT FOR A SCORE OF 60 YOU'RE PERFECT SLIDE, YOU'RE ON. YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY LOOKING AT THE PERCENT 30 OR THE PERCENT 50 TIMES 60 TO TO GET US TO, YOU KNOW, IF I, IF I HAD 100% 30, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN I'D SCORE IMMEDIATELY. 60 BAM. IS THAT IT'S THAT THAT KIND OF SIMPLE MATH.

>> IT'S A SIMPLE MATH THAT EVERY 30%, EVERY PERCENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT IS 30% IS WORTH ONE POINT EVERY PERCENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT IS 50% IS WORTH HALF A POINT. AND YOU SUM THOSE UP UNTIL YOU REACH THE MAXIMUM AND THE MAXIMUM IS 60.

>> PERFECT. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY. THEN IS THERE A CIRCUMSTANCE I SAW YOUR EXAMPLES. YOUR YOUR HYPOTHETICALS? IS THERE CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE YOU COULD GET A CONCOCTION OF THE TENS AND HAVE NO AFFORDABLE AND CROSS THE THRESHOLD? IS THERE, OR IS THAT UNABLE TO HAPPEN IN SOME PROCESS? IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE ENOUGH THAT YOU EVALUATED IT? YOU BROUGHT IT FORWARD TO US, BUT IT REALLY HAD NO AFFORDABLE.

>> NOT NO AFFORDABLE, BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL COMPETING AGAINST THE STATE. SO THIS IS OUR LEVEL OF SUPPORT. THEY STILL MUST MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE IRS AND THE.

>> YEAH I APOLOGIZE, I MEANT THE 80S THAT WE'RE THROWING OUT. I WAS COMPLETELY UNCLEAR ON THAT. WE'RE NOW REDEFINING DENTON AFFORDABILITY AS 30 AND 50. ESSENTIALLY, IF YOU HAD 80 THAT QUALIFIED UNDER HUD AND WE'RE NOT QUALIFYING THAT ANYMORE FOR OUR SCORING MATRIX, IS THERE A WAY TO CROSS OUR THRESHOLDS WITH A TECHNICAL DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE BUT NO

DENTON DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE? >> NO, THERE THERE WOULDN'T BE A WAY TO DO THAT.

>> OKAY. AND THEN. OH TELL ME WHAT A NO NO BEDROOM UNIT IS. >> STUDIO APARTMENT OKAY.

>> FAIR ENOUGH. AND LET'S SEE. ALL RIGHT. SO YEAH I ALREADY I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE NEW REQUIREMENTS. EXCEPT I WOULD LIKE MORE AND EARLIER AND MORE FREQUENT MEETINGS. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE EARLIEST PACK. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT FAIL QUICKLY IF WE'RE GOING TO FAIL TO. COUNCILOR HOLLAND'S POINT THERE IS THERE IS THE NOTIFICATION SYSTEM THAT WE DEVELOPED 4 OR 5, SIX YEARS AGO. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK INTO THAT, BECAUSE YOU CAN ALREADY PUT YOUR ADDRESS IN AND BE NOTIFIED OF THINGS. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE INVENTED, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO, AND I ENCOURAGE US TO MAKE BETTER USE OF IT. I THINK IT'S AN UNDERRECOGNIZED TOOLS. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE NEW PROCESS WITH THE IDEA THAT WE GET REGULAR ICERS. OH, QUESTION ON THE MATRIX. HOW DO YOU ENVISION UPDATING THE TEN AND 60 OR THE 40, 25, TEN? LIKE WHAT MEASUREMENTS ARE YOU GOING TO BE WATCHING BE FOLLOWING? THAT WILL GIVE YOU INSIGHT TO WHETHER THE ONCE YOU GO TO 12 AND ONCE YOU GO TO EIGHT.

>> YEAH, I THINK SO. WITH THIS KIND OF ROUND OF THIS, WE REALLY JUST LOOKED AT UNIT MIXES, WE LOOKED AT RENTAL RATES, WE LOOKED AT THESE THINGS, BUT WE DIDN'T DO IT AS A DEEP DIVE INTO ALL OF THE OTHER AREAS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE NEED AMONG SENIORS. SO SOME OF THE MEASURES THAT ARE ARE ABLE, WE'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT ARE

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>> NO, NO, I, I APPRECIATE THAT INSIGHT. AND I WILL JUST MAKE ONE LAST COMMENT AND THEN I'LL BE DONE. AND THAT IS I THINK WE'RE REALLY SEEING EXAMPLES REGIONALLY AND ACROSS THE NATION OF SORT OF WAGE WAGE DEFLATION PRESSURES. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I ENCOURAGE STAFF TO KEEP THEIR EYE ON THAT'S REALLY CHALLENGING TO, TO GET AT WAGES. IT'S A IT'S A BIG CHALLENGING TASK. BUT IF THERE'S LEVERS THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN HELP PULL IN THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOWERING AFFORDABILITY. BUT AFFORDABILITY IS A TWO WAY STREET. IF YOU HAD WAGES THAT WERE BETTER MATCHING THAT. SO I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP OUR EYE ON BOTH ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM.

AND THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE.

>> COMPLETE SUPPORT? >> ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE.

>> CAN YOU JUST BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS, LIKE WHEN YOU ENVISION ON HAVING THIS DONE, WRAPPED UP, BRINGING IT BACK TO US BEFORE OR AFTER THE PSC CONVERSATION? JUST CURIOUS

ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT. >> BEFORE WE WOULD LOOK TO GET THE TAX CREDIT POLICY BACK TO YOU IN THE NEXT MEETING, SO THAT WE CAN MEET THE DEADLINES FOR NEXT YEAR'S HOUSING TAX CREDIT CYCLE. WE DIDN'T WANT TO. WE DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL 2027 TO BE CHANGING THE WAY WE APPROACH THIS. SO IT'LL BE PRETTY QUICK. IT WILL BE BEFORE THE PSC MEETING.

>> ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. QUESTION FOR LEGAL. IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE IT WHERE WE HAVE A

COMPLETE ACROSS THE CITYWIDE SCP REQUIREMENT FOR MULTIFAMILY? >> NO, THERE HAS TO BE SOME ALLOWED BY RIGHT WITHIN THE CITY. REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR EVERY ONE OF THEM.

>> GOT IT. THANK YOU. THEN, JESSE, FEEDBACK ON YOU HAVE DIRECTION. SO FEEDBACK ON.

CHANGES OR THOUGHTS AS YOU GO FORWARD. GENERALLY I'M SUPPORTIVE. BUT THEN I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT ANNUAL CAPS ON UNITS. LIKE IF WE GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF UNITS, THEN WE JUST, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT THAT'S ONE THING. THEN GEOGRAPHIC DISTRIBUTION THAT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT ACROSS THE CITY AND NOT JUST KIND OF ALL IN ONE AREA. SO HOW DO WE WEIGH THAT AND THEN WEIGHT ON INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THERE SHOULD BE A COST OR A POINT ALLOCATION THAT SAYS, OKAY, IN THIS AREA WHERE WE HAVE UPDATED INFRASTRUCTURE VERSUS AREAS WHERE WE'RE LACKING INFRASTRUCTURE, BECAUSE THEN YOU TALK ABOUT SURFACE WATER RUNOFF AND ALL THOSE OTHER ADVERSE EFFECTS IF WE'RE NOT PREPARED FOR IT. SO INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE TO GO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO AND THAT WE'RE ABLE TO TO HANDLE THOSE, THEN I THINK YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR ALL YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATIONS GOING FORWARD TO SAY, DENTON AFFORDABLE SO THAT WE DON'T CONFLATE THE TWO.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE GENERALLY THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S NO AMOUNT OF DATA THAT SAYS WE'RE THE SAME AS DALLAS. THERE'S NO ONE MAKING THAT ARGUMENT. AND I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE NEED TO SAY DENTON AFFORDABLE AS A CLEAR DELINEATION. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOCAL, ACTUAL, TURNKEY, AFFORDABLE HERE IN THE CITY OF DENTON. JUST MY THOUGHT THEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT. WHY I LIKE THIS SO MUCH IS BECAUSE THAT THAT UNIT, THOSE UNITS THAT PROJECT ON TEASLEY THAT CAME IN, IT WAS HALF BAKED AT BEST BECAUSE THEY CAME BEFORE US. THE NEIGHBORHOOD FILLED THE THE CHAMBERS. THEY GOT ONE TIME TO TALK. RIGHT. AND THEN THAT THAT PROJECT CHANGED. WHEN THEY'RE SITTING IN THAT ROOM, THEY SAID, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO WE'RE GOING TO EXIT ON TEASLEY. THEY PUT A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OUT OF OUT OF BUSINESS. AND THEY TOLD EVERYONE IN THAT ROOM, WE'RE GOING TO EXIT ON TEASLEY. THEN THEY CHANGE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T EXIT ON TEASLEY. IT WASN'T THOUGHT OUT, WASN'T RESEARCHED. THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T GET TO COME BACK AND HAVE A SAY. SO IT DOESN'T COME BACK BEFORE THIS COUNCIL. THEY JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR PROJECT. SO THEY BULLDOZE THOSE BUSINESSES, FLIPPED IT THE OTHER WAY, AND

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HAVE. BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THE THE TAX SLOT. >> THE ONE FOR JUST THE, THE

NUMBERS. >> YEAH JUST THE NUMBERS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND SO I WANT TO HAVE THAT ARCHIVED JUST QUICK, REAL QUICK JUST TO SAY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. HOW MUCH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT'S MILLIONS, YOU KNOW, TO THE CITY, TO THE COUNTY, TO THE ISD, THE $9 MILLION ISD HAD A BOND JUST TO GET THAT MONEY. AND MULTIFAMILY INCREASES THE PRESSURE ON THE ON ISD. SO HERE WE'RE WAIVING $9 MILLION AND CHARGING THEM ABOVE WHAT THEY WOULD NORMALLY HAVE TO PAY. AND THAT THAT IT'S JUST IT'S NOT GOOD. SO IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE GET OUR HANDS ON THIS AND EVEN AND I THINK THOSE NUMBERS, IF THEY DON'T COME FINE. THAT'S STILL WE'RE NOT WAIVING $9 MILLION AND WE'RE NOT PUTTING PRESSURE ON THE SCHOOL BOARD SCHOOLS. AND I THINK THAT'S WORTH IT. SO ACROSS A NUMBER OF SECTIONS. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT RESEARCH. THANK YOU FOR THOSE THOSE ANSWERS. APPRECIATE IT.

ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT THAT'S OUR ONLY WORK SESSION. AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO CLOSED.

[1. Closed Meeting:]

SO NOW LOOKING AT THIS CLOSED SESSION BEFORE I CALL IT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE UP ITEM B THAT'S NOT NEEDED. SO WE'LL TAKE UP ITEM A AND C IN THIS CLOSED SESSION. AND THEN WE'LL STAY IN CLOSED. GO TO CHAMBERS. COME OUT OF THERE. IS THAT RIGHT TO GO TO DO THE CONSENT.

>> YES THAT WOULD BE. >> YEAH. YEAH. SO WE'LL DO CLOSED HERE. STAYING CLOSED. GO TO THE CHAMBERS. TAKE UP CONSENT. SO A AND C. NOW FINISH THOSE TWO. GO TO CHAMBERS. COME OUT OF CLOSED AND. THEN GO TO OUR CONSENT AND ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. SO THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW AT 4:15 P.M. CONVENE IN CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE THE CLOSED MEETING ITEM SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING ITEM A ID 25915.

DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.087 AND ITEM C, ID 252130. CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONAND THE CITY COUNCIL IS T 5:28 P.M. RECONVENING FROM CLOSED SESSION, AND NO OFFICIAL

[AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE CLOSED MEETING. CONSIDERATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING(S) WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M.]

[2. CONSENT AGENDA]

H. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE

CONSENT AGENDA ACCEPTING ITEM H. >> ALL RIGHT. AND IS THERE? >> A SECOND? AND I WOULD LIKE

TO SPEAK. >> DISAPPEARED. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

>> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT SIX. >> THANK YOU. AND I'M HAPPY TO SECOND THAT. UNLESS MR. MCGEE HAS ALREADY DONE THAT, WHICH IS FINE. NO, I JUST WANTED TO SAY HOW I'M VERY EXCITED TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. THAT INCLUDES THE APPOINTMENT OF OUR NEW CITY SECRETARY, INGRID REX. SO WE'RE ABSOLUTELY THRILLED. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH

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FORWARD TO IT. OKAY. >> THANK YOU. WELL SAID. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. BUT FOR ITEM H WHICH WILL COME BACK TO US AFTER CORRECTIONS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES 7 TO 0. TAKES

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding a Municipal Services Agreement, pursuant to Tex. Loc. Govt Code Sec. 43.0672, between the City of Denton and Denton Double Down, LLC for the provision of city services to approximately 4.47 acres of land, generally located on the south side of Hartlee Field Road, approximately 580 feet east of East Sherman Drive; approving a schedule of annexation; authorizing the City Manager to execute the agreement; and providing an effective date. (A25-0002, Denton Striker, Ashley Ekstedt)]

>> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. ASHLEY, ASSOCIATE PLANNER. THIS IS A 25 TWO. THIS IS THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR THE DENTON STRIKER ANNEXATION. THIS REQUEST IS TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR APPROXIMATELY 4.47 ACRES OF LAND. IT'S LOCATED SOUTH OF, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HARTLEY FIELD ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 580FT EAST OF EAST SHERMAN DRIVE, AND THIS WOULD ALSO BE APPROVING A SCHEDULE OF ANNEXATION. SOME BACKGROUND ON THE PROJECT. THE APPLICANT IS KIMLEY-HORN ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER, DENTON DOUBLE, LLC. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND IT IS PART OF A LARGER SUBJECT TRACT, A LARGER TRACT OF LAND THAT IS SHOWN HERE TO THE WEST AS WELL.

THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT IS REVIEWED BY ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS, STATING THAT WE WILL PROVIDE SERVICES TO THEM UPON ANNEXATION, THE ANNEXATION SCHEDULE. WE ARE CURRENTLY AT. THE FIRST ITEM. THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT IN ACTION IS REQUIRED ON THIS ITEM. TONIGHT WILL ALSO GO OVER A PUBLIC HEARING AND THE FIRST READING OF THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE, AND NO ACTION IS REQUIRED ON EITHER OF THOSE ITEMS. WE WILL THEN PUBLISH AND PUBLISH THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE IN THE NEWSPAPER. AND THEN IN JANUARY, THE SECOND READING AND ADOPTION OF THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE WILL COME BACK BEFORE THIS BODY IN ACTION WILL ALSO BE REQUIRED. THEN I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SEEING NONE, I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE ITEM

AS PRESENTED. >> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES 7 TO 0. IF YOU'RE TRACKING ALONG, WE'LL SKIP PAST THE PUBLIC HEARING

[A. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton determining the public use, need, and necessity for the acquisition of rights-of-way parcels, permanent drainage, and temporary construction easements generally located along Ryan Road between Country Club Road and Teasley Lane, situated in the T. Lobar Survey, Abstract No. 779, the A. Gibson Survey, Abstract No. 498, the T. Martin Survey, Abstract No. 900, the C. Pollalier Survey, Abstract No. 1006, the James W. Withers Survey, Abstract No. 1343, the Eli Picket Survey, Abstract No. 1018, and the T. Peacock Survey, Abstract No. 1589, all in the City and County of Denton, Texas, and more particularly described in the attached Exhibit “A” (collectively, the “Property Interests”); authorizing the City Manager and the City Attorney to acquire the Property Interests by agreement if possible, including making all offers required by law; authorizing the use of the power of eminent domain to condemn the Property Interests if agreement cannot be reached; authorizing the City Attorney to file eminent domain proceedings if necessary; authorizing the expenditure of funding; making findings; providing a savings clause; and providing an effective date.]

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON DETERMINING THE PUBLIC USE, NEED, AND NECESSITY FOR THE ACQUISITION OF RIGHTS OF WAY PARCELS TO PERMIT DRAINAGE AND TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS. GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG RYAN ROAD BETWEEN COUNTRY CLUB ROAD AND TEASLEY LANE. SITUATED IN THE TE LOW BAR. SURVEY. ABSTRACT NUMBER 779 AND GIBSON SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 498 AND TEE, MARTIN, SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 900 AND C.

SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 1006. THE JAMES W WITHERS SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 1343 ET AL.

YEAH. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL. I'M ANGEL DELORY, SENIOR REAL ESTATE SPECIALIST DEVELOPMENT SERVICES REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT. ALSO WITH ME TONIGHT ARE CAP CAPITAL PROJECT STAFF. THEY'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT PROJECT DESIGN, ALIGNMENT OR CONSTRUCTION. THE ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS RYAN ROAD WIDENING PROJECT. THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO WIDEN RYAN RYAN ROAD, CREATING A SECOND ARTERIAL ROUTE. THE FUNDING WAS APPROVED BY THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM. RYAN ROAD WILL BE WIDENED FROM A TWO LANE TO A THREE LANE UNDIVIDED ROADWAY. ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE

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PROPERTIES. >> OKAY REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX.

>> IF YOU'RE READY. >> BY ALL MEANS. >> ALL RIGHT. I MOVE THAT THE CITY OF DENTON, AFTER HAVING MADE THE OFFERS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW, USE THE POWER OF EMINENT DOMAIN IF NEEDED, TO ACQUIRE VARIOUS RIGHTS OF WAY PARCELS, PERMANENT DRAINAGE AND TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS. GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG RYAN ROAD BETWEEN COUNTRY CLUB ROAD AND TEASLEY LANE. SITUATED IN THE TE SURVEY. ABSTRACT NUMBER 779. THE A GIBSON SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 498. THE TEE MARTIN SURVEY ABSTRACT 900. THE C POULIER SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 1006 AND THE JAMES WITHERS SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 1343. THE E PICKETT SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 1018 AND THE TE PEACOCK SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 1589, ALL IN THE CITY AND COUNTY OF DENTON, TEXAS, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A TO THE ORDINANCE NOW UNDER CONSIDERATION AND ON THE SCREEN TO BE DISPLAYED TO THE AUDIENCE.

AT SOME POINT, ALL OF WHICH ARE FOR A VALID PUBLIC USE NECESSARY FOR WIDENING. RYAN ROAD FROM COUNTRY CLUB ROAD TO TEASLEY LANE, AND MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO DRAINAGE, CROSSINGS AND DITCHES, SIDEWALKS AND LIGHTING. AS PART OF THE RYAN ROAD WIDENING PROJECT NEEDED TO SERVE THE PUBLIC AND CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF DENTON, AND THAT THE FIRST RECORD VOTE TAKEN ON THIS ORDINANCE APPLIES TO ALL UNITS OF PROPERTY TO BE CONDEMNED.

THANK YOU. >> PARCEL ONE DRAINAGE EASEMENT. PARCEL ONE RIGHT OF WAY. PARCEL TWO. DRAINAGE EASEMENT. PARCEL TWO. RIGHT OF WAY. PARCEL THREE. PARCEL FOUR. PARCEL FIVE.

PARCEL SEVEN. PARCEL EIGHT. PARCEL NINE. PARCEL TEN. PARCEL 11. PARCEL 12. PARCEL 13.

PARCEL 14. PARCEL 15. PARCEL 16. PARCEL 17. PARCEL 18. PARCEL 19. PARCEL 20. PARCEL 21. PARCEL 22.

PARCEL 25. DRAINAGE EASEMENT. PARCEL 25. RIGHT OF WAY. PARCEL 26. RIGHT OF WAY. PARCEL 26 DRAINAGE EASEMENT. PARCEL 26. TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT. PARCEL 28. PARCEL 30. DRAINAGE EASEMENT. PARCEL 30. RIGHT OF WAY. PARCEL 32. PARCEL 33. PARCEL 34. PARCEL 35. PARCEL 36.

PARCEL 37. PARCEL 38. PARCEL 39. DRAINAGE EASEMENT. >> IT'S MY FAVORITE.

>> PARCEL 40. RIGHT OF WAY. PARCEL 41 DRAINAGE EASEMENT. PARCEL 42. RIGHT OF WAY. PARCEL 43 DRAINAGE EASEMENT. PARCEL 43 TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT. PART AND PARCEL 44. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. WHAT QUESTIONS CAN I ANSWER FOR YOU AT THIS TIME?

>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR.

>> MAYOR, I ENTHUSIASTICALLY SECOND THE MOTION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DO HAVE, I HAVE ONE. WHAT'S

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>> WE'VE ALREADY STARTED NOTIFYING. SO PROJECT INFORMATION LETTERS HAVE ALREADY GONE OUT AND OFFER LETTERS HAVE ALREADY GONE OUT AS WELL. SO THEY'VE ALREADY

GOTTEN NOTIFICATIONS OF THE PROJECT. >> MOREOVER, THE BUSINESSES SO LIKE WALMART AND THOSE SHOP, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE THING THAT BUSINESSES ARE LIKE.

AND I GUESS WALMART IS NOT GOING TO TELL US THEY'RE THEY'RE HURTING FOR MONEY.

RIGHT. BUT BUT I'M JUST SAYING, ARE WE LIKE THE GAS STATION? I JUST WANT TO AVOID, YOU KNOW,

YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD. >> NO. ABSOLUTELY. SO SETH GARCIA, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO DEFINITELY, BEFORE WE GET INTO CONSTRUCTION OR START LOOKING TO ADVERTISE THE PROJECT, WE'LL DEFINITELY REACH OUT AND MAKE CONTACT. THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT THAT CORNER RIGHT THERE AT TEASLEY IS TEX-DOT, WITH THE 2181 WIDENING BUILT QUITE A WAYS DOWN RYAN ROAD THERE. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO IMPACT AS MUCH OF THAT HARD CORNER AS IF WE WERE COMING ALL THE WAY TO 2181. BUT WE'LL BE FOR SURE TO REACH OUT WITH PLENTY OF TIME IN ADVANCE BEFORE WE START CONSTRUCTION AND THEN ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.

>> GOT IT. AND THE WORK TO THE TO THE BRIDGE AND EVERYTHING WILL BE.

>> IN HICKORY CREEK ROAD IS ON TRACK TO BE DONE LATE NEXT YEAR. SO WE SHOULD HAVE HICKORY CREEK COMPLETION LATE 26, ABOUT ONE YEAR OF DEAD TIME. AND THEN WE HAVE THE FUNDING ISSUANCES

SLATED IN THE CIP FOR RYAN ROAD IN 2728. >> GOT IT, GOT IT. OKAY, WE WE'LL JUST GET YOUR DIGITAL SIGN OUT THERE AND BE LIKE, HEY, WE'RE BACK, WE'RE BACK. YEAH.

THANK YOU SIR. OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR.

>> WILL I UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT WILL FENCES NEED TO BE ACTUALLY MOVED ON ALONG RYAN

ROAD? >> THERE ARE SOME THAT COME RIGHT UP TO THE FENCES AND WILL AFFECT PROPERTY OWNERS WITH FENCES. AND THEY'RE COMPENSATED FOR THOSE FENCES. YES, SIR.

>> AND DO YOU DO YOU KNOW, ARE THEY ARE THEY, ARE THEY CONCENTRATED IN A GIVEN AREA OR

DO YOU KNOW. THANK YOU. >> WELL, SHELDON, CONSTRUCTION PROJECT MANAGER FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO AS FAR AS FENCES, SOME OF THEM WILL BE GETTING RELOCATED AS FAR AS THE FENCE INSIDE ONE OF THE DRAINAGE EASEMENTS. BUT AS FAR AS OTHER PROPERTIES LIKE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, WE'RE JUST GOING UP INTO THE FENCE LINE SO WE WON'T BE RELOCATING OR

DESTROYING ANY FENCES. >> WON'T BE VERY GOOD. GOOD TO HEAR. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. AND THEN AND I'M SORRY, I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT THIS TOO.

WHAT IS OUR TIMING ON THE NEW FIRE STATION? >> ALL RIGHT. SETH GARCIA, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS AGAIN. I BELIEVE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE SEPTEMBER OF NEXT YEAR, AND THEN LATE NEXT WINTER WILL BE WILL BE OPENING THE FIRE

STATION. >> OKAY. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY, WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES 7 TO 0. THAT. TAKES US TO OUR NEXT ITEM. FIVE B ID 251149. CONSIDER

[B. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton determining the public use, need, and necessity for acquisition of a (i) temporary construction easement and a (ii) right-of-way parcel, generally located along East McKinney Street just east of North Woodrow/Audra Lane, situated in the T. Downing Survey, Abstract No. 346 all in the City and County of Denton, Texas, and more particularly described in the attached Exhibit(s) “A” (collectively, the “Property Interest(s)”); authorizing the City Manager and City Attorney to acquire the Property Interests by agreement if possible, including making all offers required by law; authorizing the use of the power of eminent domain proceedings if necessary; authorizing the expenditure of funding; making findings; providing a savings clause; and providing an effective date.]

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL AGAIN I'M ANGEL DELROY SENIOR REAL ESTATE SPECIALIST DEVELOPMENT SERVICES REAL ESTATE ALSO CAPITAL PROJECTS IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THIS PROJECT AS WELL. THIS PROJECT RELATES TO MCKINNEY SIDEWALKS PROJECT.

SO THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MCKINNEY BETWEEN AUDRA LANE AND LOOP 288.

THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF 3700 LINEAR FEET OF VARIABLE WITH SIDEWALK PAVING, INCLUDING GRADING A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, MINORS, AND MINOR STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS. THE PROJECT WILL UPGRADE EXISTING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND PROVIDE PEDESTRIANS WITH A CONTINUOUS WALKWAY FOR SAFETY. THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS PROJECT WAS PRIORITIZED DUE TO THE PEDESTRIAN FATALITY IN THIS AREA. ON OCTOBER 30TH, THREE OF THE FIVE MOBILITY COMMITTEE

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MOTION, STAFF WILL DISPLAY THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF

QUESTIONS. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> YEAH. NO, I, I JUST I MIGHT RESERVE MY COMMENTS FOR AFTER THE MOTION, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

>> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT SIX. >> HI COUNCILPERSON JESTER AND I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE CAN SPEAK TO THIS OR NOT, BUT IN THE PRESENTATION IT STATED THAT THREE OF THE FIVE MOBILITY COMMITTEE MEMBERS VOTED IN FAVOR. DOES ANYONE KNOW? WERE THE OTHER TWO IN OPPOSITION? IF SO, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY. OR WERE THREE OF THE FIVE PRESENT AT THE MEETING?

>> THERE WERE DIFFERENT OPTIONS GIVEN DURING THAT MEETING, AND SO THEY VOTED ON DIFFERENT THINGS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE IN OPPOSITION, BUT THEY JUST CHOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DO, I'M LOOKING HERE.

I THOUGHT AT SOME POINT WE TALKED ABOUT WIDENING MCKINNEY IN THAT STRETCH. I KNOW IT WAS GOING TO BE COST PROHIBITIVE BECAUSE OF RIGHT OF WAY. IS THAT NO LONGER A THING? IT'S GOING TO BE TWO LANES IN THE CENTER LANE PERIODICALLY IN PERPETUITY OR.

>> YEAH. SO SETH GARCIA, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE IT BAKED INTO THE FIVE YEAR CIP. WE PRIORITIZE THE SIDEWALK PROJECT. WHEN WE LOOKED AT EARLY COST ESTIMATES, THEY WERE IN EXCESS OF 40 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS TO BE ABLE TO WIDEN THAT SECTION OUT. SO AS YOU STATED, IT BECAME COST PROHIBITIVE TO LOOK AT IT AT THIS TIME. SO WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE INTERIM SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS.

>> SO IF THE MONEY COMES AVAILABLE OR GRANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE OR THAT THAT'S NECESSARY, WOULD WE JUST BE FORCED TO GO TO THE NORTH TO WIDEN, OR WOULD WE TAKE OUT THE

SIDEWALK IN THE FUTURE. >> SO SOME OF THE SIDEWALK WILL BE REMOVED TO MATCH OUR CURRENT STANDARDS FOR A TEN FOOT TRAIL THROUGH THIS SECTION OF ROADWAY, WE WOULD ACTUALLY ACQUIRE RIGHT OF WAY ON BOTH SIDES DUE TO DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COME IN. IT'S KIND OF MADE THAT CROSS SECTION A LITTLE JAGGED AS YOU COME THROUGH THERE WITH PROPERTY LINES. SO MORE THAN LIKELY WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A VARIABLE WIDTH RIGHT OF WAY SECTION TO ACCOMMODATE. I BELIEVE IT'S A SECONDARY ARTERIAL SECTION THROUGH THIS AREA.

>> BUT NO, NO, I'M SAYING IN THE OUT YEARS. YES, SIR. WE DON'T HAVE MONEY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? BECAUSE, WELL, JUST CAN YOU SIMPLIFY THAT FOR ME? THE MONEY WE'RE SPENDING TO

WIDEN THE SIDEWALK, HOW LONG IS THAT GOING TO BE THERE? I MEAN. >> YEAH, SO SO THESE INTERIM IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE IN PLACE UNTIL A FUTURE ROADWAY WIDENING COMES INTO FRUITION.

>> AND ARE WE SCALING DOWN THE WORK WE DO OR IS IT IT'S BUILT AS THOUGH IT'S GOING TO BE THERE PERMANENTLY. AND THEN WE JUST KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THERE PERMANENTLY?

>> YEAH. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A VARIABLE WIDTH SIDEWALK. SO WE HAD LOOKED AT PUTTING A CONTINUOUS TEN FOOT SHARED USE TRAIL TO DO THAT. WE GOT INTO A LOT OF UTILITY RELOCATIONS AND OTHER COSTS THAT WITHOUT DESIGNING THE ROADWAY DIDN'T BECOME FEASIBLE. SO WE LOOKED AT GOING ANYWHERE FROM 5FT TO 10FT IN AREAS THAT WE COULD TO GET SOMETHING CONTINUOUS ON

THAT SOUTH SIDE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR.

>> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. >> MISS CITY MANAGER, A COUPLE

YEARS AGO. DID WE DISCUSS THIS BEING IN THE 2027 BOND PROGRAM? >> AT THE TIME, IT WAS THE 2026 BOND PROGRAM DUE TO, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT FINANCIAL SITUATION, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A 2026 BOND PROGRAM, BUT IT WILL BE INCLUDED IN OUR NEXT BOND PROGRAM, WHENEVER THAT IS.

>> OKAY. THE THE WIDENING PORTION. >> YES. THE ROADWAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM OR BETTER SAID MAYOR PRO TEM. FOR

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THE MOTION. >> SIR, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE I MOTION. THANK YOU. I WAS ONE OF THE TWO COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO DID NOT VOTE FOR THIS OPTION, AND IT WAS LIKE YOU SAID, I JUST WANTED A DIFFERENT OPTION. I PREFERRED AN OPTION WITH THE SAME WIDTH THE WHOLE WAY DOWN. BUT I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER BECK WAS THERE. HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I FELT LIKE THE THREE THAT CHOSE THIS OPTION LIKED IT BECAUSE IT WOULD GET ON THE GROUND FASTER AND IT WAS LOWER COST. I WAS BELIEVE, I BELIEVE WAS THE REASONING. SO WITH THAT, I MEAN, I'M VERY EXCITED THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, THAT WE ARE TAKING INITIATIVE TO RESOLVE THIS SAFETY ISSUE WHERE A LIFE HAS ALREADY BEEN LOST.

AND I HEAR COMMENTS ALL THE TIME OF PEOPLE SCARED AND CONCERNED, OF THE PEOPLE THEY'RE SEEING, WALKING OR BIKING OR SCOOTING OR WHATEVER, WHEELCHAIRS, WHATEVER ON, ON THE SHOULDERS. SO I APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS AND BEING URGENT ABOUT IT.

SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION I MOVE THAT THE CITY OF DENTON, AFTER HAVING MADE THE OFFERS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW, USE THE POWER OF EMINENT DOMAIN IF NEEDED, TO ACQUIRE A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT AND A RIGHT OF WAY PARCEL GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG EAST MCKINNEY STREET FROM NORTH WOODROW ORDER LANE EAST TO LOOP 288. SITUATED IN THE T DOWNING SURVEY. ABSTRACT NUMBER 346, ALL IN THE CITY OF CITY AND COUNTY OF DENTON, TEXAS, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A TO THE ORDINANCE NOW UNDER CONSIDERATION AND ON THE SCREEN TO BE DISPLAYED TO THE AUDIENCE, ALL OF WHICH ARE FOR A VALID PUBLIC USE, NECESSARY FOR PERMANENT SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY AND A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. AS PART OF THE MCKINNEY SIDEWALKS PROJECT NEEDED TO SERVE THE PUBLIC AND CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF DENTON, AND THAT THE FIRST RECORDED VOTE TAKE ON THIS ORDINANCE APPLIES TO ALL

UNITS OF PROPERTY TO BE CONDEMNED. >> PARCEL ONE. RIGHT OF WAY.

PARCEL ONE TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT. THIS CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION. DO

YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU? >> NOT. NOT RIGHT NOW.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. >> I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW THANKFUL I AM FOR STAFF FOR FOR GETTING THIS DONE. I KNOW THAT SINCE I FIRST GOT ELECTED, I'VE BEEN BOTHERING YOU, SIR, AND BOTHERING YOU CASSEY ABOUT THIS. IT BRINGS SO MUCH RELIEF TO KNOW THAT I COMING HOME LATE AT NIGHT FROM WORK, AM NO LONGER GOING TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SEEING WHEELCHAIRS GO UP AND DOWN. MCKINNEY KIDS ON BIKES GOING UP AND DOWN. MCKINNEY.

PEOPLE WALKING UP AND DOWN MCKINNEY TO DOLLAR TREE OR TO AUTOZONE OR OR DOWN TO THE TO THE MURPHY'S GETTING FOOD FOR WHATEVER AND NOT BE PROTECTED FROM TRAFFIC. BECAUSE OFTENTIMES PEOPLE, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY MIGHT BE USING THEIR HIGH BEAMS. I MYSELF HAVE HAVE NEARLY HIT SOMEONE WALKING AS I'M DRIVING HOME LATE FROM WORK AT NIGHT. I KNOW THAT'S HAPPENED TO MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS. IF NOTHING ELSE, THIS CITY ENDEAVORS TO HAVE PEOPLE WITHIN A TEN MINUTE WALK FROM PARKS AND GREEN SPACE. IT BRINGS ME A LOT OF COMFORT AND JOY TO KNOW THAT NOW FOLKS IN THAT AREA CAN SAFELY GET TO AND FROM MACK PARK. I'M SO EXCITED FOR THIS. I WANT TO THANK STAFF VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS, AND I DO LOOK FORWARD TO MCKINNEY EVENTUALLY BEING WIDENED IN THE FUTURE. BOND. SO I'M HAPPILY SECONDING THIS

MOTION. THANK YOU, DOCTOR BECK. >> CAN WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND REPRESENTATIVE FROM

DISTRICT TWO? >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YOUR COMMENTS WERE REALLY GERMANE AND FRONT OF MIND. AS MAYOR PRO TEM SAID IN THE DISCUSSION FOR MOBILITY, WE DISCUSSED THOSE EXACT ISSUES AND IT IT WAS IMPORTANT YOU HIGHLIGHTED, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY CONCERNS THE OF OF OF THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE. AND JUST AS MAYOR PRO TEM SAID, THE CONSENSUS WAS THE APPROACH THAT GOT THIS ON THE GROUND FASTER BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS. BUT NO ONE WAS OPPOSED TO ANY SORT OF ANYTHING IN THIS REGION. I THINK IT WAS CLEAR THAT EVERYBODY'S LOOKING OUT FOR THE CITIZENS. SO FOR THAT EXACT REASON, I'LL BE OVERWHELMINGLY, HAPPILY VOTING

YES ON THIS. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

SEEING NONE. OH, REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. >> YEAH. I JUST WANT TO SAY TO THE CITY THAT I AM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE SAME SENTIMENTS AS MY PEERS, WE'RE ALL ON THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE. THIS AREA HAPPENS TO BE IN THE AREA THAT I REPRESENT. DISTRICT ONE. I TOO LIVE OVER IN THAT AREA, OF COURSE, AND HAVE JUST ALWAYS BEEN VERY NERVOUS ABOUT BEING AROUND IN THAT AREA ALL THE WAY UP TO 288, RIGHT ON THAT ROAD NEARLY EVERY DAY. SO JUST BEING ABLE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR WHAT? HOWEVER, IT WORKED OUT AND WHATEVER MEANS THAT IT TOOK WHATEVER WAS NECESSARY FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD. HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUSH IT AS A PRIORITY FOR US. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCING A BEND IN THE ROAD WHERE PEOPLE ARE

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VOTE YES ON THIS PROJECT. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.

LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. >> NO. >> NOW THAT PASSES, 7 TO 0

[B. Conduct the second of two readings of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, annexing approximately 15.011 acres of land, generally located north of West University Drive (US 380) and approximately half a mile west of Golden Hoof Drive to the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; providing for a correction to the City map to include the annexed land; and providing for a savings clause and an effective date. (A25-0001c, Hickory Grove MF 2, Mia Hines)]

TO THE CITY OF DENTON, DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS. >> EVENING. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MAYOR HINES, SENIOR PLANNER HERE TO PRESENT THE SECOND READING OF AN ANNEXATION FOR APPROXIMATELY OUR PROPERTY THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 15 ACRES IN SIZE, LOCATED JUST NORTH OF WEST UNIVERSITY DRIVE AND SOUTH OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND DEVELOPING HICKORY GROVE, OR LEGENDS RANCH MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT FOR THIS PROPERTY OR THE DEVELOPER FOR THIS PROPERTY RATHER IS DOUBLE RF CODE, LLC. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND IT WAS FORMERLY PART OF THE LEGENDS RANCH. MUD THAT I MENTIONED IS DEVELOPING TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY. THE ANNEXATION SCHEDULE OR IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ANNEXATION SCHEDULE. WE HELD THE FIRST READING AND APPROVED THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT. ON OCTOBER 14TH. WE PUBLISHED THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE THAT FOLLOWING WEEKEND, AND THEN WE ARE NOW HERE THIS EVENING WITH THE SECOND READING AND ACTION REQUIRED BY YOU ALL FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE OR OF THIS ANNEXATION ORDINANCE AND ANNEXING THIS PROPERTY. SO WITH THAT, I WILL GO AHEAD AND READ THE ORDINANCE CAPTION INTO YOUR HEARING. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY 15.011 ACRES OF LAND GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF WEST UNIVERSITY DRIVE. US 380 AND APPROXIMATELY HALF A MILE WEST OF GOLDEN HOOF DRIVE TO THE CITY OF DENTON, DENTON, TEXAS, PROVIDING FOR CORRECTION TO THE CITY MAP TO INCLUDE THE ANNEXED LAND AND PROVIDING FOR A SAVINGS CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE ANNEXATION. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR RESPOND TO ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE

AT THIS TIME. >> GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING NONE. MAYOR PRO TEM.

>> NORMALLY I DON'T LIKE US VEERING FROM SUBSTANTIALLY FROM OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP OR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. HOWEVER, GIVEN THAT THE THE NEIGHBORING MUD IS ALREADY APPROVED AND UNDER DEVELOPMENT, THIS MAKES NO SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT GIVES US TAX REVENUE WITH WITH ADDING BASICALLY VERY LITTLE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO IT WILL BE A NET POSITIVE, I BELIEVE, FOR FOR THE CITY OF DENTON. SO I MOVE APPROVAL.

>> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. >> I'LL SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES 7 TO 0 TAKES US TO ITEM SIX CHL250003A. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A

[C. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton approving an application for a partial tax exemption of designated historic sites, in accordance with Chapter 10, Article VI, Sections 10-126 through 10-129 of the Denton Municipal Code of Ordinances, for a Local Historic Landmark located at 218 N Locust Street, located on the southeast corner of the intersection of N Locust Street and E McKinney Street; providing for severability; and providing an effective date. The Historic Landmark Commission recommends a favorable determination (5-0). (HL25-0003a, 218 N Locust Street - Tax Exemption, Cameron Robertson)]

NO AT SIX. YEAH. GOT IT RIGHT. SECTION TEN DASH 126 THROUGH TEN. DASH 129 OF THE DENTON MUNICIPAL CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR A LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK LOCATED AT 218 NORTH LOCUST STREET, LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH LOCUST

STREET AND EAST MCKINNEY STREET, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS CAMERON ROBERTSON, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. AS STATED, THIS IS FOR A HISTORIC TAX EXEMPTION REQUEST AT 218 NORTH LOCUST STREET. THE PROPERTY OWNERS, TIM BEATTY. THE. IT IS THE OLD POST OFFICE WHICH WAS BUILT CIRCA 1919 WITH A 1960S ADDITION. THE PROPERTY WAS DESIGNATED IN 1982. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF REPAIRS, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SECTION TEN DASH 128. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF REPAIRS DONE, BUT EXCLUDING THE CONSULTING FEES, WE'RE LOOKING AT A TOTAL OF 16,252 OR $16,252 SPENT ON THE PROPERTY. HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION MADE A FAVORABLE DETERMINATION OF FIVE ZERO. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION FOR A PARTIAL TAX EXEMPTION, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CONSULTING

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YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR.

>> THANK YOU. THE I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT. THE WING ON ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

WHEN DID YOU SAY THAT WAS ADDED? >> 19 OR WITHIN THE 1960S. >> 60S. OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR FOR STAFF. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SI

>> JUST A COMMENT BEFORE MY MOTION. I'M EXCITED TO SEE THIS. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF HISTORICAL BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN. AND SO AND SOME OF THEM ARE SO COST PROHIBITIVE, AS WE ALL KNOW, TO MAINTAIN THEM AND PRESERVE THEM. I'M VERY GLAD THAT THIS IS HAPPENING, AND IT'S IN VERY GOOD HANDS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WAS ABLE TO PRESENT THE CURRENT OWNER WITH THE BEST OF DENTON PARTNERSHIP AWARD YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS CHAIR OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD. SO IT'S SOMEONE THAT HAS INVESTED IN THE CITY OF DENTON IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, REVITALIZING AND BEING A BIG PART OF THAT. SO MY PLEASURE TO

MOVE APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE OF DISTRICT FIVE.

>> IN KEEPING WITH MY METRICS FOR VOTING FOR THIS, THIS PROPERTY IS SIGNIFICANTLY OLDER THAN MY FRIEND, COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND, SO IT QUALIFIES AS HISTORIC. I HAPPILY SECOND.

>> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION TONIGHT? TIM, DID YOU WANT TO SAY YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? ARE YOU GOOD? OKAY, GREAT. AND I WILL I WILL POINT OUT THAT DURING THIS PROCESS WHILE WAITING, TIM'S BEEN GREAT ABOUT LETTING TOYS FOR TOTS WORK THERE AND STORE TOYS AND GET FAMILIES THROUGH THERE. SO REALLY, REALLY KEY PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY DONE GREAT WORK. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. AND. GIVING CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE TO HIS HIS WIFE'S FANTASTIC. SHE KEEPS HIM DIALED IN AND THEY'RE GREAT. THEY'RE GREAT POWER COUPLE. SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. WE DO APPRECIATE IT OKAY. YES, SIR.

>> HAS HAS ANYONE IN THE ROOM EVER MAILED A LETTER IN THAT POST OFFICE?

>> WOW. >> I HAVE MAN. >> YEAH.

>> HAVE. YEAH. YEAH. >> THAT DOESN'T HELP. >> IT'S NOT HELPING.

>> SAY IT WITHOUT SAYING IT. WAS. WELL, THEN THE COMPLETE THE CIRCLE. WAS THAT AROUND 67

OR. NO. NO. >> I REMEMBER WHEN THAT. I DON'T REMEMBER THE YEAR BUT I REMEMBER WHEN THAT, WHEN THE NEW THING, THE NEW THING WAS, WAS ADDED TO THAT BUILDING. THE NEW THING GOT IT. WHICH ONLY MAKES IT 70 YEARS OLD OR SOMETHING.

>> BUT GOT IT, MR. MAYOR. >> HE'S NOT. >> GOING TO GET THAT.

>> YEAH. NO. >> NO, NOT AT ALL. I LOVE IT. >> MAKES IT EVEN BETTER. OKAY,

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> YEAH. >> NO NO NO NO NO, JUDGE I'M

NOT TRYING TO GLAZE YOU OR ANYTHING. SO. >> YEAH.

>> ARE WE ON A TIME FRAME? >> WE ARE, WE ARE. SORRY. >> YEAH. WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

[D. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, establishing the Capital Improvement Advisory Committee of the City; establishing the powers and duties of the Capital Improvement Advisory Committee; repealing prior CIAC enabling Ordinances 2015-109, 2018-411, and those Ordinances in direct conflict herewith; providing severability and repealer clauses; and providing an effective date.]

ESTABLISHING THE POWERS AND DUTIES OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, REPEALING PRIOR CIAC ENABLING ORDINANCE, 2015 DASH 109 2018 DASH 411 AND THESE ORDINANCES

IN DIRECT CONFLICT HEREWITH. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. ANGIE, ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SO JUST A QUICK REMINDER. AS PART OF THE MOST RECENT LEGISLATIVE SESSION, SEVERAL AMENDMENTS WERE MADE TO CHAPTER 395 RELATING TO THE COLLECTION OF IMPACT FEES, BUT ALSO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, NECESSITATING THAT WE ESTABLISH A NEW CASSEY FOR THE CITY. WE DID HOLD A WORK SESSION ON THIS ITEM ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, AND DISCUSSED THE CREATION OF A NEW BODY TO SERVE AS THE CIC, THE MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENTS, THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS, AND ALSO THE TERM LENGTHS. SO COMING OUT OF THAT WORK SESSION, WE DID DETERMINE TO CREATE A NEW COMMITTEE TO SERVE AS THE CASSEY TO REQUIRE A RESUME TO BE SUBMITTED TO ENSURE WE'RE MEETING OUR MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENTS, TO APPOINT A BODY OF EIGHT MEMBERS, ONE OF THOSE BEING A MEMBER OF THE ETJ.

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>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO.

>> ANGIE SHOULD SHOULD THIS GO FORWARD. AND I DON'T EXPECT THERE TO BE ANY HICCUPS, BUT

WHAT TIME FRAME ARE WE LOOKING AT FOR EMBODYING THE PANEL. >> AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE? YES,

YES. >> ALL RIGHT. SO WE SHOULD BE. IF IT PASSES, WE SHOULD BE

LOOKING FOR MEMBERS IMMEDIATELY. >> YES, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >> THANK YOU.

>> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. >> I MOVE APPROVAL AS PRESENTED

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. >> MAYOR PRO TEM.

>> SECOND. >> HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES 7 TO 0. TAKES US TO ITEM SIX E ID 252061. CONSIDER

[E. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas authorizing the expenditure of funds for the payment of wholesale transmission charges in the total amount of $10,803,259.00; and providing an effective date. The Public Utilities Board will consider this item on Monday, November 17, 2025.]

THIS ITEM ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH, 2025. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS MELISSA CUEVAS. WITH ME TODAY I HAVE A REALLY SHORT PRESENTATION ON OUR TRANSMISSION CHARGES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526. SO THESE TRANSMISSION COSTS ARE WHAT WE'RE PAYING OTHER ENTITIES TO USE THEIR TRANSMISSION INFRASTRUCTURE. THE AMOUNT FOR APPROVAL TODAY IS THE $10.8 MILLION. AND I WILL JUST ADD THAT THERE IS A THRESHOLD OF $50,000 OR LESS THAT STAFF WAS ABLE TO APPROVE. SO THE TABLE ON THE RIGHT IS EVERYTHING FOR TO BE APPROVED TODAY. AND WITH THAT I WILL STAND FOR ANY

QUESTIONS OKAY. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING NONE RIGHT NOW.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU. YEAH. YOU SEE WHY I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF OF STAFF GETTING THE NEW TCR RATES THAT THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S THESE ARE HUGE AMOUNTS THAT WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH FOR OUR ENERGY NEEDS.

IT'S JUST A LARGE EXPENDITURE SINCE WE'RE A FULL SERVICE UNIVERSITY CITY. SO WITH THAT I

MOVE APPROVAL OF THE ITEM AS PRESENTED. >> MAYOR PRO.

>> TEM. >> I SECOND THE MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. TAKES

[F. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with Exceleron Software, LLC., for a prepaid utilities solution for the Customer Service Department, which is the sole provider of this software, in accordance with Texas Local Government Code 252.022, which provides that procurement of commodities and services that are available from one source are exempt from competitive bidding, and if over $50,000, shall be awarded by the governing body; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (File 8923 - awarded to Exceleron Software, LLC., through September 30, 2038, in the not-to-exceed amount of $15,460,605.23). The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (5 - 0).]

BIDDING. OKAY. AND YEAH. >> MAYOR COUNCIL KRISTA FOSTER. >> CUSTOMER SERVICE MANAGER I ALSO HAVE A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION. THIS IS TO TALK ABOUT OUR PREPAID UTILITY PROGRAM THAT WE'VE HAD IN PLACE SINCE 2018. IT WAS ORIGINALLY EVALUATED BY TECH SERVICES AND PLACED ON A TEN YEAR LIFE CYCLE. AND DURING THE FOLLOW UP REVIEW DURING SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ON A 20 YEAR LIFE CYCLE DUE TO THE COMPLEXITY OF THE INTEGRATIONS, THE COST OF IMPLEMENTATION, AND THE IMPACT THAT IT WOULD HAVE ON OUR PUBLIC. SO JUST SO YOU GET AN OVERVIEW, THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE, IT GIVES CUSTOMERS THE ABILITY TO SEE THEIR ACTUAL ELECTRIC CHARGES DAILY. THEY CAN MAKE MORE INFORMED UTILITY DECISIONS. THEY CAN GET AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH MONEY THEY MAY NEED TO GET TO THE NEXT PAY DATE, TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THOSE UTILITIES ON. IT ALSO PRODUCES OR REDUCES THE ABILITY FOR CUSTOMERS TO BE GETTING ARREARS CHARGES BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING AS THEY'RE USING IT, THEY'RE NOT BUILDING LARGE

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SO IF THEY'RE WORKING A JOB THAT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A SET PAY DATE OR A SET INCOME AMOUNT, THEN IT ALLOWS THEM THE ABILITY TO WORK AROUND THAT. WE DO NOT REQUIRE A DEPOSIT AND WE HAVE NO PAYMENT PENALTY FEES FOR THIS PROGRAM. THEY HAVE AN OPTION FOR DEBT RECOVERY TO ALLOW OVERDUE BALANCES AS THEY'RE GETTING BACK INTO THE UTILITY SYSTEM WITH US TO GO INTO DEBT RECOVERY WITH PARTIAL PAYMENTS SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE SMALL PAYMENTS TOWARD THAT OVER TIME AND GET THEM THE ELECTRICITY THAT THEY NEED. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY FOR ALERTS AND FOR POSTPAID CUSTOMERS THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL. WE HAVE A POSTPAID UTILITY USAGE MONITORING. THEY CAN'T SEE DAILY COSTS, BUT THEY CAN SEE ACTUAL DAILY USAGE OF THEIR UTILITIES. SO ON THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION, WE ARE ESTIMATING A POTENTIAL OF UP TO ALMOST $15.5 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 13 YEARS. THAT IS, IF OUR CUSTOMER BASE CONTINUES TO GROW AT THE RATE THAT IT'S GROWING. AND OUR ADOPTION RATE FOR THIS PROGRAM CONTINUES TO GROW AS IT IS CURRENTLY GROWING. AND WE CAP THAT AT NO MORE THAN 15% OF THE POPULATION. JUST AS AN ESTIMATE, THE COST OF THIS PROGRAM IS ACTUALLY PAID IN FULL BY THE CUSTOMER THROUGH A SLIGHTLY INCREASED FACILITY CHARGE FOR THIS SERVICE. SO THERE IS NO ACTUAL CITY FUNDS THAT ARE BEING EXPENDED INTO THIS. AND OF COURSE, IF WE DO HAVE TO INCREASE OUR BUDGET TO COVER SOME OF THOSE COSTS, IF WE ACTUALLY DO SEE THIS TYPE OF GROWTH, THEN WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL WITH BUDGET AMENDMENTS SO THAT YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE PROGRAM IS GROWING AND WE COULD PROVIDE UPDATES AT THAT TIME. AND OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO AWARD THE CONTRACT TO ACCELERON SOFTWARE IN THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $15,460,605.23, AND IT WOULD BE A THREE YEAR CONTRACT WITH TEN ONE YEAR OPTIONAL RENEWALS. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY

QUESTIONS. >> GOT IT. >> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM

DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU. I KNOW THIS IS PRIMARILY GEARED TOWARDS OUR ELECTRICITY UTILITY. IS THERE DESIRE INTENT TO EXPAND INTO OUR OTHER UTILITIES, ESPECIALLY

AS OUR ARMY COMES ONLINE SO THAT. >> ALL OF THE UTILITIES ARE PAID THROUGH THE PROGRAM TODAY? WE ARE ABSOLUTELY LOOKING FORWARD TO WATER ARMY SO THAT

WE CAN PROVIDE THAT SAME LEVEL OF DATA. >> AND THE REASON I ASK THAT IS THE WE'RE PAYING THE CUSTOMERS, PAYING FOR THIS OUT OF THE FACILITY CHARGE INCREASES, RIGHT. BUT THOSE ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE DIFFERENT UTILITIES. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT STAFF STRUCTURE IS AS WE EXPAND. THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE.

>> IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT OUR ONE OF MY LATEST NOT TOWN HALL BUT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS. THE CONSTERNATION WAS THAT THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH TIME TO PAY THE BILL. AND I KNOW I MADE A STATEMENT AT THAT POINT THAT IT WOULD EVEN BE NICE TO PICK MY DATE AS TO WHEN I WOULD LIKE TO. DO THAT. THERE YOU GO. SO I AM GOING TO BE PLEASED TO GIVE THIS INFORMATION TO OUR CONSTITUENTS, BECAUSE I HAD WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO EVEN PITCHING THE IDEA OF US GIVING MORE TIME. YEAH. SO I'M GOING TO FORMALLY ASK THE CITY TO PULL BACK THAT POTENTIAL PITCH, BECAUSE WHEN THIS PASSES, THEN THERE'LL BE NO OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THAT PROGRAM.

>> I'M ACTUALLY A CUSTOMER OF THIS PROGRAM. >> YES. YEAH. OKAY. SO AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING A CUSTOMER OF THIS PROGRAM AS WELL. THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR.

>> THANK YOU. DID I UNDERSTAND THIS IS TEN THREE YEAR CONTRACTS.

>> IT IS ONE THREE YEAR CONTRACT WITH TEN ONE YEAR OPTIONAL RENEWALS OKAY.

>> SO MY QUESTION IS CAN EITHER SIDE OPT OUT OF THIS? >> I THINK THAT IT AUTOMATICALLY I'D HAVE TO ASK PURCHASING ON THE ACTUAL CONTRACTING ON IT. SORRY.

>> HERE THEY COME NOW. >> LAURIE HILL PURCHASING MANAGER YES, AT ANY POINT IT'S INITIAL THREE AND THEN AFTER THE THREE EITHER PARTY CAN GET OUT.

>> EITHER PARTY. YES. OKAY. INTERESTING. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. WELL HOW DOES HOW DOES THAT WORK, MR. CITY ATTORNEY? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ENCUMBER A FUTURE COUNCIL. SO IS THERE JUST A FEE THAT THAT THAT COUNCIL IF THEY OPTED NOT TO RENEW. NOT SAYING THAT WOULD HAPPEN. I JUST WANT TO BE. THAT'S JUST TECHNICALLY NOT NOT

DOABLE. >> THERE'S INHERENT RISKS IN DOING CONTRACTS WITH CITIES FOR SURE. WE DON'T BIND COUNCILS IN 15 YEARS FROM NOW. SO THERE'S ALWAYS SUBJECT TO APPROPRIATION.

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THAT'S INHERENT IN EVERY CONTRACT. >> YEAH, YEAH.

>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE FLEXIBILITY. THE EASE. LOOKING FORWARD TO USING IT. AS LONG AS

I PUT IN THE RIGHT ACCOUNT NUMBER FROM NOW. >> APPRECIATE YOU.

>> YOU ARE SO VERY WELCOME. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES

[G. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton renaming the Civic Center (321 E. McKinney St.) to the Quakertown Civic Center; and providing an effective date. The Parks, Recreation and Beautification Board voted to recommend adoption (5-0).]

AND I JUST WANTED TO ASK OR I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE. AND HERE'S WHY. WE HAVE A POLICY THAT WE NEED TO CLEAN UP. AND SO THIS WENT DIRECTLY TO THE BEAUTIFICATION BOARD AND NEVER CAME TO COUNCIL. AND STAFF IS WORKING TO TRY TO CLEAR THAT UP. BUT THIS IS A CITYWIDE ASSET. WE'VE NOT DONE THIS BEFORE. AND BY THE BY THE LETTER OF WHAT WE, THE COUNCIL HAS APPROVED, IT SHOULD HAVE COME TO US FIRST. AND SO I'M NOT AGAINST THE CONSIDERATION CONVERSATION, THAT SORT OF THING. IT'S JUST I WOULD LIKE US ALL TO BE TO BE ABLE TO COLLABORATE ON IT AND HAVE. AND SO THE BUILDINGS THERE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DAMAGED. BUT TO ME THERE'S A THERE'S A REAL HARM IN CIRCUMVENTING THE PROCESS. AND I FULL DISCLOSURE, I'D LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THE ISSUE, BECAUSE MAYBE WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT NAMING IT AFTER ALMA CLARK, WHO LITERALLY LIVED IN THAT IN THAT AREA AND WAS REMOVED, BUT WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE A WORK SESSION ON IT. AND SO TO THAT, I HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE JUST UNTIL WE CAN GET THE EVERYTHING ALIGNED SO THAT WE STAY CONSISTENT WITH OUR PROCESS. AND MR. MR. CITY

ATTORNEY, DID I MISSTATE ANY OF THAT? >> NO, I DON'T THINK SO. MAYOR.

I THINK THAT THE THE PRACTICE HAS GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT OUT OF SYNC WITH THE ACTUAL POLICY AS FAR AS THAT GOES. THINGS HAVE BEEN GOING DIRECTLY TO THE BOARD. THE POLICY DOES SAY IT SHOULD COME TO COUNCIL FIRST BEFORE IT GOES TO THE BOARD. SO THAT THAT HAS BEEN THE WAY IT'S BEEN DONE FOR THE LAST 4 OR 5 YEARS. BUT TO LOOK AT THE POLICY, IT DOES SAY IT SHOULD

COME HERE FIRST. >> GOT IT. ANYTHING TO ADD FROM STAFF? YOU GOOD?

>> NO, I'M JUST READY FOR THE NAMING STUFF IF YOU'RE READY FOR IT.

>> OKAY. LET ME LET ME HOLD ON. WE'LL GET THERE. SURE. SO, YEAH. MOTION TO POSTPONE JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A WORK SESSION WHERE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL CAN BE HEARD. THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING THAT FULL DISCLOSURE IS CONCERNING TO ME IS WE DIDN'T TALK TO ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, SO WE SPOKE TO ONE GROUP, SEDNA, BUT WE DIDN'T SPEAK TO NORTH LAKES. AND SO I JUST THINK WE NEED TO AS A CITYWIDE ASSET AND WE HAVE A DUTY WE JUST TALKED ABOUT NOTICE AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. SO I JUST I JUST WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS AND MAKE SURE WE REACH OUT TO EVERYONE, PULL EVERYONE IN VERSUS ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE I THINK THAT CAN BE A CHALLENGE. AND AGAIN, THE BUILDINGS THERE, NOTHING CHANGES. IT JUST GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BACK UP AND MAKE SURE WE ALL T'S CROSSED, I'S DOTTED, AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. SO MY MOTION TO POSTPONE. IS THERE A SECOND? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

FOUR? >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> MR. MAYOR.

>> SO IN CUTIS SO DISCUSSION REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE.

>> I'LL, I'LL CERTAINLY VOTE AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR MOTION. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES BACK IN WHICHEVER WAY IT WOULD GO IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO COLLECTIVELY AS A COMMUNITY. THE THE BUILDING IS IN QUAKERTOWN. IT'S AT QUAKERTOWN PARK. THE CONSISTENCY TO HAVE IT THERE. SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO MORE PEOPLE ABOUT IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING QUAKERTOWN IN FRONT OF CIVIC CENTER, I'M NOT REAL SURE OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MAGICAL THAT WOULD NOT BE IF IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. SO I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE MY REMARKS THERE.

>> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST

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YOUR YOU'RE NOT WANTING TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ISSUE NOW. YOU DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION HERE FOR THE ITEM OR AND I'M NOT GOING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT UNLESS YOU WISH TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. BUT I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO

UNDERSTAND NOW VERSUS LATER. DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY INTENT? >> YES. I THINK MY ANSWER WOULD BE I WOULD ASK STAFF TO GO OUT TO THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS WITHIN THE CITY AND THEN GET INFORMATION AND THEN SCHEDULE A WORK SESSION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A A DISCUSSION WITH THAT DATA INCLUDED VERSUS JUST ONE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST SAYING.

POSTPONE TO GET MORE INFORMATION, FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT EVERYONE'S

AFFECTED. AND YOU KNOW AND SO I THAT'S THAT'S MY FOCUS OKAY. >> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM. >> I HEAR YOUR ARGUMENTS AND I AND I ACTUALLY THINK THEY MAKE SENSE IN THIS CASE. I DID NOT REALIZE THAT THE POLICY SAID THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME TO COUNCIL BEFORE IT GOES TO THE BOARD. SO I'M OKAY WITH PROVIDED THAT IT COMES BACK TO

US. I'M I'M OKAY WITH POSTPONING. >> OKAY. YEAH. AND 100% THAT THAT IS AGAIN, IT'S JUST A PROCESS THING, NOT A CONTENT THING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S THAT'S THE NO CONCERNS THERE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE.

>> MR. MAYOR, QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU WANT THE ENTIRE CITY TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, LIKE YOU WANT STAFF TO HOLD TO. LIKE WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM TO GO TO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS OR DO YOU WANT LIKE AN ONLINE? WHAT ARE YOU ENVISIONING? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. HOW DO WE GET

THE AGGREGATE INFORMATION? >> YEAH, I THINK WHATEVER THEY DID FOR SEDNA, JUST THE OPTICS OF WE REACHED OUT TO ONE GROUP IS DIVISIVE POTENTIAL AND IT'S NO ONE'S FAULT. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT WAS DONE. AND SO I WOULD THEN WHATEVER THEY DID FOR THAT GROUP, LET'S REACH OUT TO THE OTHER GROUPS AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON ON THE SAME PLAYING FIELD, IF YOU WILL. SO IF THEY IF THEY CALLED SEDNA, THEN LET'S CALL THEM AND SAY, HEY, TALK ABOUT THIS IF THEY CALLED AND LET'S CALL NORTH LAKES, LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE TALKING TO SOUTH. I MEAN THERE'S SOUTH RIDGE, THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP BECAUSE EVERYONE LEVERAGES THAT RESOURCE. AND SO I JUST WANT IT TO BE EQUITABLE.

>> IS THIS GOING TO BE A SO WE'RE POSTPONING TO TO AN EVENT OR IS THIS GOING TO BE A MONTHS LONG PROCESS OR WEEKS LONG LIKE HOW QUICKLY WILL THIS COME BACK? THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.

>> YES. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF CAN HELP ME THERE.

I WE'VE NOT TALKED ABOUT IT. >> THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. >> SARAH HENSLEY CITY MANAGER.

YEAH. >> CAN WE GET HER AN ELEPHANT? >> YES.

>> GET HER AN ELEPHANT. >> ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS A REAL UNIQUE SITUATION. WHAT WE DID IS GO BACK AND LOOK AND ABSOLUTELY COUNCIL A PASSED IN ABOUT 2021, AN ACTUAL PROCEDURE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN FOR NAMING ITEMS SUCH AS THIS FACILITIES AND THE PROCEDURE WHICH WE'RE GOING TO SEND OUT TO YOU TOMORROW. I'M ASKING CHRIS CHRISTIE TO DO IT. IT SAYS PROCEDURES FOR NAMING CITY BUILDINGS, FACILITIES, LAND AND OR ANY PORTION THEREOF. IT'S IT'S SUPPOSED TO COME TO ME FIRST UPON RECEIPT OF THE NAME APPLICATION AND THEN REFER TO THE COUNCIL. SO IT WOULD BE A WORK SESSION. AND A LONG TIME AGO WHEN THIS HAPPENED AND THERE WAS SOME TRAIL NAMINGS THROUGH PARKS AND COUNCIL MEMBER JESSE DAVIS WAS ON THE COUNCIL, HE SAID, WELL, BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE TRAIL RELATED AND THINGS, LET'S JUST SEND IT TO THE PARKS, RECREATION AND BEAUTIFICATION BOARD. UNFORTUNATELY, WE STARTED SENDING THEM ALL TO THE PARKS, RECREATION AND BEAUTIFICATION BOARD AND THAT IT WAS, ON OUR PART, A BIT OF A MISTAKE BECAUSE WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED THIS POLICY THAT WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL, AND IT ACTUALLY EVEN HAS A PROCEDURE OF HOW TO GO ABOUT DOING IT. IT IS A LITTLE MORE ROBUST, IT IS A LITTLE MORE INCLUSIVE TO MAKE SURE IT EVEN COULD FORM AN AD HOC COMMITTEE OF REPRESENTATIVES NAMED BY COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT NAMING A FACILITY OR A PARK AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WHEN WE FOUND THIS OUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SHARED THIS BECAUSE WE REALLY SHOULD BE FOLLOWING THIS.

UNLESS AT SOME POINT THE COUNCIL WISHES TO CHANGE THAT PROCESS. SO YOU WILL BE RECEIVING THIS, WHICH WAS PUT TOGETHER IN, I THINK IT WAS IN APRIL OF, OF 22 WHEN THIS WAS ACTUALLY PRESENTED. AND, AND THEN WE WILL GO AHEAD THOUGH PER WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY. IF IT PASSES, WE WILL SCHEDULE SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH OTHER ENTITIES, DO MORE OF A ROBUST PROCESS TO TALK ABOUT THE NAMING OF THE CIVIC CENTER, AND THEN IT IT WILL COME BACK TO

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IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE YOU FROM DOING SOMETHING TONIGHT. BUT I DID WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNEW THIS WAS A PROCESS WE WERE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW, AND IT WAS NOT TO NO ONE'S FAULT PER SE, BECAUSE THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED AND THE WAY IT WAS VOTED ON BY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME WAS LET'S JUST SEND THOSE THROUGH THE PARKS, RECREATION AND BEAUTIFICATION BOARD. MOST OF THESE ARE PARK RELATED. HOWEVER, SOME OF THEM ARE MORE SUBSTANTIAL IN A NAMING PROCESS.

SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. AND I ASSURE YOU THAT GIVEN THE DIRECTION TONIGHT, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH PUBLIC MEETINGS AND WE WILL COME BACK IN A VERY TIMELY MANNER TO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT THE OUTCOME IS SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, AND THEN WE WILL MAKE SURE WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THIS PROCESS THAT WAS APPROVED SO THAT WE CAN GET BACK ON TRACK.

>> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT. WELL WAIT, YOU HAD THE FLOOR. ARE YOU GOOD? OKAY.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. >> AND I'M SORRY, CITY MANAGER HENSLEY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY UP JUST YET. I GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS.

FIRST, YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAID. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE POLICY. I HAVE NOT REVIEWED THAT POLICY AND WAS UNAWARE OF IT. SECOND, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT IS DISAPPOINTING TO GET IT NOW BECAUSE IT'S AN AWKWARD SITUATION WITH SOME PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROPOSALS TONIGHT AND THAT IT DID PASS THROUGH THE BOARD AND ANTICIPATED IT PASSING TONIGHT.

SO THAT'S A LITTLE. >> WE DIDN'T GET IT TO. WE DIDN'T. I MEAN, I'LL BE HONEST,

WE DIDN'T DISCOVER THIS AND MACK HAD TO MACK FOUND IT. >> I MEAN, IT HAPPENS. IT

HAPPENS. I'M JUST. JUST FOR THE. >> RECORD. >> THE OTHER THING IS, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHEN AND I'M ASSUMING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE NAMING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS EVENING AS FAR AS WANTING TO POSTPONE, OR IS IT JUST. I DON'T.

>> THINK SO. I THINK THIS ONE WAS MORE SIGNIFICANT AND IT GOES BACK TO THE OTHER TWO WERE MORE OF IN LINE WITH WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS SAID, WHICH WAS THAT'S MORE DIRECTLY RELATED TO A PARK OR A TRAIL OR SOMETHING TO THAT. AND ONE WAS A SOFTBALL

FIELD. ONE WAS A OKAY COVERED AREA. SO NO. >> AND ALSO, JUST IN LIGHT OF, AGAIN, THE ANTICIPATION AND POTENTIAL DISAPPOINTMENT TODAY, CAN WE KNOW WHEN THIS CAN BE ON THE AGENDA AS FAR AS THE STATUTES? ET-CETERA, HOW SOON CAN WE GET THIS BACK ON SO THAT.

>> IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'RE IN NOVEMBER NOW? WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE MEETINGS THIS MONTH. WE HAVE TWO IN DECEMBER, ONE OF WHICH IS IS CHALKED FULL. THAT'S THE 2ND DECEMBER 16TH.

WE COULD BRING IT BACK DECEMBER 16TH FOR AN ICE. WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY WORK SESSION ITEMS, BUT WE COULD BRING IT BACK JANUARY. IT HAS TO GIVE US TIME FOR SOME PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS

WELL. >> AND SO JUST MY MY THOUGHTS TO TO PUT ON THE TABLE ARE I THINK IF WE HAVE A POLICY, WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE POLICY. HOWEVER, I THINK WE NEED TO BE AS RESPECTFUL AS POSSIBLE. I LOOKED AT THE APPLICATION. THE APPLICATION WAS INITIALLY SUBMITTED IN 2024, SO I THINK TIMELINESS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN SHOW RESPECT TO THOSE THAT APPLIED FOR IT. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ANSWERING ALL MY QUESTIONS AND POINT TAKEN.

THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO.

>> THANK YOU. YEAH. THIS IS I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S ANGRY OR ANYTHING, BUT THIS IS AN UNCOMFORTABLE SITUATION BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF COMMUNITY WILL TO MOVE FORWARD IN A TIMELY FASHION, BUT WE SHOULD FOLLOW OUR OWN POLICIES. AND I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT TWO THINGS I'LL BRING UP. AND ONE IS DOES COUNCILOR JESTER EXACTLY POINTED OUT WHAT MY FIRST QUESTION IS? SHOULD THIS NOT COVER ALL THESE THINGS BECAUSE ONLY ONLY THE THE BASEBALL ONE IS RELATED TO REALLY RELATED TO PARKS PROGRAMING, THE DAY LABORER SIDE AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS NOT. I'M LIKE, I I IT SHOULD WE NOT SHOULD WE NOT DO THE SAME PROCEDURE FOR EVERYTHING IS THE FIRST THING I'LL FLOAT OUT AND THEN SORT OF THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS MORE OF A POINT OF PROCEDURE. IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT PROCESS ALTOGETHER WITH WORK SESSIONS AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, IS THAT A POSTPONEMENT? BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY JUST A DIFFERENT ITEM. AND AND SO THE FIRST ONE IS A IS A CONCERN ABOUT CONSISTENCY. AND THE SECOND ONE IS IS IS IS A POSTPONEMENT THE APPROPRIATE

VEHICLE. SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE. WHAT I'M SAYING. >> MR. MAYOR.

>> YES. NO NOT THE SECOND ONE. I'LL LET MACK HANDLE THAT ONE. THE FIRST ONE. YES. AND I TRIED NOT TO TO. I TRIED TO EXPLAIN IT BEST I COULD DELICATELY. ON WHY THIS ONE, WHY THE THE CIVIC CENTER? BUT I DO BELIEVE THE DIFFERENCES ARE. IT'S A CITY OF DENTON ASSET. IT'S A BUILDING THAT THE CITIZENS OWN. EVERYONE AND THE THE DAY LABORER SITE IS A IS A RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE MAINTAIN. WE DON'T OWN IT. AND THEN THE FACT THAT YOU REACH OUT TO ONLY A TRADITIONALLY

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BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS. >> DO I? DO I STILL HAVE THE

FLOOR, MR. MAYOR? >> YES, SIR. >> AND I DON'T KNOW IF MACK

WANTED TO. >> ANSWER YOUR OTHER QUESTION. SO YOU CAN GET BOTH.

>> I WOULD LOVE THAT. AND THEN I'LL. I'LL CONCLUDE. >> THE POSTPONEMENT IS A IS AN APPROPRIATE MOTION FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, WHICH IS BASICALLY A POSTPONEMENT TO A AN UNCERTAIN DATE, WHICH IS OKAY. THAT'S ALLOWED FOR WE WOULD JUST BRING IT BACK AND WE HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION ON WHAT THAT DATE WOULD BE. WHEN WE COME BACK. IT'S MORE OF AN EVENT. ONCE WE GO THROUGH SOME PUBLIC INPUT, WE'D COME BACK TO A WORK SESSION. SO I THINK THE WE HAVE AN APPROPRIATE MOTION THAT'S BEEN MADE FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

>> OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. CITY ATTORNEY. THIS THIS IS HARD FOR ME. I TAKE THE MAYOR'S POINT. I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT HE'S MAKING. I TAKE THE OTHER THE OTHER FOLKS POINTS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT AN AUDIENCE FULL OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TO CELEBRATE THESE POTENTIAL EVENTS BECAUSE OF THEIR THEIR IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. I, I, I WOULD SUGGEST I UNDERSTAND THE MAYOR'S POINT, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE CONTINUE ON WITH THIS ONE AT THIS TIME AND THEN FIX IT GOING FORWARD. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT DOESN'T MEET THE MAYOR'S OBLIGATION. AND IT'S I, I, I'M NOT DISPUTING I THINK HE'S ACTUALLY RIGHT. WE SHOULD FOLLOW POLICY. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO WAYS OF SOLVING THAT. AND AND I DON'T KNOW IT'S TOUGH. I APPRECIATE HIM BRINGING IT UP THOUGH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> OKAY. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR.

>> THANK YOU. WELL, MY MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE YOU MENTIONED, MR. MAYOR, YOU MENTIONED SEDNA AND DINA AND I KNOW THERE'S OTHER GROUPS. I'M JUST WONDERING HOW MANY OTHER GROUPS AND HOW DO WE KNOW THAT A GROUP WANTS TO BE RECOGNIZED AND CONSULTED ON THIS?

>> I. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DO, BUT THERE ARE THERE ARE KEY GROUPS IN THE AREA THAT ARE MORE VOCAL THAN NORTH LAKES, IS VERY VOCAL. DINA IS VERY VOCAL. SEDNA VERY VOCAL. SO THAT THEY'RE GETTING THERE. YES. SO THERE'S THERE'S JUST GROUPS THAT ARE VERY ACTIVE AND IT'S NO MATTER WHO IT IS, IT IT SHOULDN'T BE ONE SEGMENT OF THE COMMUNITY.

>> I COMPLETELY AGREE. >> AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. >> I COMPLETELY AGREE. AND, AND, AND MY COLLEAGUE DOCTOR BECK, I IF WE DON'T FOLLOW A POLICY, IT'S NOT A POLICY. IT'S NOT LIKE WE DON'T KNOW THIS. IF WE DIDN'T KNOW IT BEFORE. WE KNOW IT NOW. AND I THINK WE SHOULD

FOLLOW POLICY. >> OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY OTHER ANYONE ELSE AS FAR AS DISCUSSION, THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS TO POSTPONE TILL STAFF CAN GET IT BACK TO US. THAT PROPOSED IS THREE MEETINGS IN JANUARY UNDERSTANDING WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING A DAY, TWO IN DECEMBER AND COME BACK IN JANUARY. BEST FROM A CITY MANAGER PERSPECTIVE.

AND I'LL COMMIT TO THAT AS WELL. BEING ON THE AGENDA COMMITTEE WITH WITH MAYOR PRO TEM, WE WOULD BOTH MAKE THAT MAKE SURE THAT'S THAT'S ACCOMPLISHED, MOVING AROUND WHAT WE NEED TO

MOVE AROUND. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. >> WHAT? I JUST ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY. I SAID, WHAT ABOUT STAFF TIME? YOU KNOW, TWO HOUR STAFF TIME. NORMALLY IT'S PITCH, BUT HE JUST SAID THAT IF WE GET DIRECTION HERE, I GUESS WE CAN CIRCUMVENT THAT PROCESS. SO I

WOULD WITHDRAW MY QUESTION. >> OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO POSTPONE TO AN EVENT CERTAIN WITH A MEETING PENDING IN JANUARY. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES 6 TO 1. TAKES US TO. I'M GOING TO TAKE CHAIR'S DISCRETION. SEE MR. SO I SEE LET'S LET'S JUST

[H. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton naming the Day Labor Site (301 Fort Worth Dr.) to the Popo González Day Labor Site; and providing an effective date. The Parks, Recreation and Beautification Board voted to recommend adoption (5-0).]

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SO AND SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR THOSE THAT ARE HERE FOR THE REGULAR CALL MEETING. JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS UP. ITEM H ID 251980. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION CITY DIDN'T NAME IN DENTON. LATE DAY LABORER SITE AT 3014 DRIVE TO POPO GONZALEZ DAY LABOR SITE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS PARKS, RECREATION AND BEAUTIFICATION BOARD VOTED RECOMMENDED,

RECOMMENDED, RECOMMENDED ADOPTION 5 TO 0 OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE HAD INTENDED TO DO THIS PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF THE THREE ITEMS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, BUT I'LL WORK THROUGH THIS VERY QUICKLY TO TALK ABOUT THE APPLICATION FOR THE DAY LABOR SITE. SO JUST TO BACKGROUND, WE HAVE A POLICY THAT WE ENACTED IN 2020 THAT PROVIDES NAMING GUIDELINES FOR THE NAMING OF FACILITIES. IT SORT OF PROVIDES WHO YOU CAN SUGGEST FOR NAMING AND WHO YOU CAN'T. IN APRIL 2021, THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND THE PARK BOARD HAS FUNCTIONED FOR THE LAST FEW NAMING APPLICATIONS IN THE PAST FEW YEARS AS THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE. BUT AGAIN, THAT CAN BE RESTRUCTURED ACCORDING TO WHAT COUNCIL WISHES. JUST SOME LINKS FOR YOUR REFERENCE. WE HAVE THE NAMING POLICY HERE AND THE NAMING APPLICATIONS. RIGHT NOW, ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE A NAMING APPLICATION.

THERE ISN'T ANY SORT OF THRESHOLD THEY NEED TO MAKE IN TERMS OF PETITIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THE APPROVAL PROCESS BRIEFLY STATED, WE CONSIDER THE APPLICATION, WE HAVE PUBLIC INPUT, THE PARK BOARD, AS THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE, CONSIDERS THE APPLICATIONS AND THEN PROVIDES THEIR CONSIDERATIONS TO COUNCIL FOR THE ULTIMATE DECISION. WE HAD A PUBLIC VIRTUAL MEETING FOR ALL THREE OF THESE ON JANUARY 9TH, AND WE HAD A SEDNA AND, YOU KNOW, STAKEHOLDER MEETING AND A CONVERSATION WITH THE JUNETEENTH ORGANIZERS BY PHONE, PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE SOFTBALL PIECE, THEN PARK BOARD AT ON APRIL 7TH. AND TODAY WE'RE AT COUNCIL. SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE NAMING POLICY DISCOURAGES RENAMING FACILITIES. AND IT SUGGESTS THAT FOR INDIVIDUALS, THEY SHOULD MEET A CERTAIN THRESHOLD OF SORT OF SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. THEY NEED TO BE A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY IN GOOD STANDING AND HAVE SORT OF MADE A NAME FOR THEMSELVES IN TERMS OF SERVICE. CITY PROPERTIES CAN ALSO BE NAMED FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED IN THE LINE OF SERVICE, OR OTHERWISE, SORT OF PROVIDED EXTRAORDINARY ACTS OF BRAVERY.

SO THE EXTERNAL NAMING REQUESTS WE RECEIVED FROM RUDY RODRIGUEZ ABOUT THE DAY LABOR SITE AT ON FORT WORTH DRIVE, AND CAROL SEEKING TO NAME THE DAY LABOR SITE AFTER EMILIO GONZALEZ, WHO WAS A FOUNDER OF LULAC IN DENTON AND FAMILIA UNIDAS AND WHO HELPED TO SORT OF PROVIDE FUNDRAISING FOR THIS STRUCTURE AND FOR A SAFE PLACE FOR DAY LABORERS TO FIND WORK. THE PARK BOARD UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVING THIS NAMING APPLICATION BY 5 TO 0.

>> OKAY, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR.

>> MR. MAYOR, MY QUESTION IS ACTUALLY NOT TO THE STAFF. IT'S A POINT OF ORDER, I GUESS.

>> OKAY, STATE YOUR POINT OF ORDER. >> I DON'T I DON'T SEE HOW THIS VARIES AT ALL FROM OUR PREVIOUS VOTE. IF I READ THE IF I READ THE SCREEN CORRECTLY, THE SOUTHEAST DENTON GROUP WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS CONSULTED. AS FAR AS THIS NAMING THING, I

DON'T I DON'T SEE HOW THIS HOW THIS DIFFERS AT ALL. >> EARLIER IN THE PROCESS, WE HAD A VIRTUAL MEETING FOR ANYONE ACROSS THE CITY TO JOIN IN JANUARY. SO THAT WAS OUR

PUBLIC INPUT OPPORTUNITY. >> MORE SPECIFICALLY, MY HIS QUESTION DID WE CONTACT SEDNA DIRECTLY FOR THIS CONVERSATION, OR IS THAT JUST ONE PRESENTATION FOR ALL OF THEM?

>> SO THE VIRTUAL PRESENTATION WAS FOR EVERYBODY. WE WENT TO SEDNA AS SORT OF A COURTESY TO REVIEW SEVERAL PARKS THINGS. AND WITHIN THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THESE APPLICATIONS.

>> OKAY. >> GOT IT. SO TO ANSWER BUT I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AGAIN.

WE THIS IS A TEXDOT RIGHT OF WAY PROPERTY. IT'S NOT CITY OF DENTON PROPERTY. IT'S NOT A BUILDING THAT IS. TRADITIONALLY USED FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS. WE'LL HAVE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING AT CIVIC CENTER. THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS YEAR. AND SO IT'S JUST THAT I DON'T I'M NOT TRYING TO SELL YOU ANYTHING. I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE FOR ME PERSONALLY IS IT'S NOT A CITY BUILDING. IT'S NOT ON CITY PROPERTY. IT'S NOT UTILIZED FOR CITY EVENTS. AND MATTER OF FACT, WE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY ASSETS THERE, BUT FOR

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MAINTENANCE. >> YOU'RE MAKING MY CASE FOR ME. I APPRECIATE THAT, I DON'T AGAIN, I DON'T SEE THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR, FOR FOR FOR A VOTE TONIGHT. YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO. YEAH, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE, MUCH LIKE WE DID THE PREVIOUS ONE, 1980.

>> OKAY. >> PARDON ME, 1979. >> OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND.

>> YEAH. >> I'LL SECOND. THERE'S A SECOND. SO MOTION BY REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FOUR, SECONDED BY REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO TO POSTPONE.

THAT'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. ANY DISCUSSION REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO.

>> THANK YOU. I, I WAS ON THE PREVIOUS VOTE. I WAS SWAYED BY COUNCILOR HOLLAND THAT WE HAVE RULES. WE DON'T HAVE RULES. AND I SUGGESTED THAT WE SUSPEND THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE SPIRIT OF THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE I THINK IT SHOULD BE NAMED QUAKERTOWN CIVIC CENTER. I THINK THIS SHOULD BE NAMED AFTER POPO. I, I ABSOLUTELY THESE PEOPLE AND THESE CIRCUMSTANCES NEED TO BE FOLLOWING THE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PARKS BOARD. BUT I WAS SWAYED BY THE ARGUMENT THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO POSTPONE ONE, WE NEED TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY IN ALL THESE THINGS. AND I THINK IT WE'VE GOT TO FOLLOW THIS. SO THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTING COUNCILOR HOLLAND'S MOTION. I THINK IT'S IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE CONSISTENT.

>> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. >> I APPRECIATE COUNCILOR HOLLAND FOR FOR THE MOTION. I APPRECIATE THE DEFENSE. DOCTOR BECK, I COULD NOT MORE STRONGLY DISAGREE. THIS BODY SETS POLICY. THIS BODY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DIFFER FROM POLICY ANYTIME WE WANT. IT ONLY TAKES FOUR OF US. THIS HAS GREAT COMMUNITY INTEREST. THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE MAYOR MADE A GOOD POINT THAT THE ENTIRE PUBLIC UTILIZES THE CIVIC CENTER. THE ENTIRE PUBLIC DOES NOT UTILIZE THE DAY LABOR SITE. I THINK IT WOULD BE DISRESPECTFUL TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE READY TO DO THIS TODAY. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER JESTER'S POINT EARLIER, AND WHILE I APPRECIATE THE MOTION, I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST THIS MOTION. I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO TO VOTE THIS MOTION DOWN. LET'S CONTINUE THIS PROCESS. TONIGHT.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR ABOUT A STAR, A STALWART OF OUR COMMUNITY. LET'S NOT MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR WHO GONZALEZ IS AND WHAT HE DID FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND WHY THIS

SITE SHOULD BE RENAMED IN HIS HONOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FOUR. >> THANK YOU. MY FRIEND. FROM FROM DISTRICT FIVE. HOW MANY IN

THIS ROOM HAVE EVER HAD THEIR HAIR CUT BY POPO GONZALEZ? >> OH, GOD. YOU HAVE?

>> YEAH. >> HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT THAT POPO GONZALEZ WAS A DEACON

AT SAINT MARK'S CHURCH? >> YEAH. NO, THAT. >> DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT ABOUT POPO GONZALEZ. I KNOW POPO GONZALEZ. I KNEW POPO GONZALEZ. RULES IS RULES. AND AND IF WE DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES, THEN THEY'RE. THEN THEY'RE NO LONGER RULES. AND WE HAVE ANARCHY. I JUST DON'T IF WE DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER. THAT'S ONE THING. BUT WE KNOW BETTER. AND AND THE RULES ARE LAID OUT AND AND AS FAR AS THIS BODY MAKING RULES, WE CAN'T JUST JUST OBEY THEM WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT OR WHEN WE WANT TO. THE RULES ARE THE RULES. I HOPE YOU'LL SUPPORT MY

MOTION. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE SEEING? NONE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO POSTPONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THE MOTION POSTPONE. PASSES FOUR, THREE.

SO THAT TAKES US TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING COMPONENT OF THE MESSAGE. WE'LL COME BACK AND PICK UP ITEM A AND J IN INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. SO, MADAM CITY MANAGER, WE'LL DO

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CAN MEET ME AT THE PODIUM AND WE'LL DO THE PRESENTATION. >> YEAH.

>> HERE. OH, GREAT. OKAY. AWESOME. AND I'M GONNA GRAB THIS REALLY QUICK. PERFECT.

OKAY. SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. IF YOU CAN TELL US WHAT WE'RE RECOGNIZING AND HOW

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PEOPLE CAN BE OF SUPPORT. >> WE ARE RECOGNIZING THE BEGINNING OF OUR RED KETTLE CAMPAIGN, AND WE ARE INVITING ANYONE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WANTS TO VOLUNTEER WITH US TO HELP US RAISE FUNDS THAT HELP US STAY OPEN ALL YEAR ROUND. WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. YOU GO TO REGISTER TO VOTE.COM OKAY NOT ORG.COM. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE NEEDING YOUR HELP WITH

OKAY. >> AND YOU HAVE YOU HAVE LOCATIONS FOR PEOPLE BELL

RINGERS. THEY CAN GO THERE. IS THAT THE SAME. >> SITE.

>> TO REGISTER. >> REGISTER TO RING IS WHERE YOU WHERE YOU CAN FIND ALL THAT.

>> SIGN UP FOR YOUR SHIFTS THERE. >> RIGHT. OKAY.

>> AND WE WILL BE AT HOBBY LOBBY ON THE 13TH. THE CITY OF DENTON WILL BE RINGING THE BELL THERE. AND WE HAVE OTHER CITIES THAT WE'VE CHALLENGED TO FUNDRAISE WITH US AND HELP. SO YOU CAN WE'LL BE PUTTING OUT SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS ABOUT THOSE THINGS, BUT ALSO YOU CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE AND SEE THOSE THINGS. SO PLEASE HELP THEM IN THIS TIME AND THEN, OH, DO YOU

WANT TO MENTION THE ANGEL TREE BY CHANCE? >> YES, WE ARE ALSO WE HAVE THE ANGEL TREE PROGRAM GOING AND IF YOU GO JUST YOU CAN COME TO OUR OFFICE AND ASK FOR AN ANGEL TO, TO GO SHOP FOR. AND THEN YOU BRING THE ITEMS BACK TO US AND WE MAKE SURE IT GETS TO A FAMILY THAT'S SIGNED UP WITH US AND SOME, SOME OF THE AREA WALMARTS WILL HAVE ANGEL TREE LOCATIONS, SO YOU CAN GET A TAG OFF OF THE TREE AND IT'LL HAVE INSTRUCTIONS ON THERE. SO WE

APPRECIATE THAT SUPPORT AS WELL. >> EXCELLENT. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. AS A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, TO ALL WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME. GREETINGS. WHEREAS THE SALVATION ARMY DENTON PROVIDES IMPORTANT SERVICES, SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES FOR ACTIVE ADULTS, A 40 BED EMERGENCY OVERNIGHT SHELTER FOR THOSE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR ANYONE FACING POVERTY, A FOOD PANTRY ALL SUPERVISED BY TRAINED COMMISSIONED OFFICERS WHO HAVE DEDICATED THEIR LIVES COMPLETELY TO SERVICE. AND WHEREAS THESE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED FREE OF CHARGE, MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT OF LOCAL CITIZENS WHO CAN HELP, INCLUDING THE SALVATION ARMY'S ANNUAL RED KETTLE CAMPAIGN. AND WHEREAS, THE SALVATION ARMY OF DENTON IS SEEKING VOLUNTEERS TO FILL MORE THAN 1002 HOUR SHIFTS, ALL BELL RINGERS TO REACH THEIR RED KETTLE GOAL OF $60,000 FOR THIS YEAR'S HOLIDAY CAMPAIGN. JUST TWO HOURS OF YOUR TIME CAN PROVIDE A NIGHT OF SHELTER FOR TEN INDIVIDUALS, 50 HOT MEALS AND GIFTS, GIFTS FOR FORGOTTEN ANGELS THIS SEASON, AND YOU CAN BE A CRITICAL PARTNER IN HELPING FULFILL THE PROMISE TO DENTON OF DOING THE MOST GOOD.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, GERALD HUDSPETH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THE 2020 HOLIDAY SEASON IN DENTON AS THE. SEASON TO GIVE WITH JOY TO THE SALVATION ARMY AND THE CITY OF DENTON AND URGE ALL CITIZENS TO GO TO REGISTER TO RING.COM AND PICK A DAY, TIME AND LOCATION TO VOLUNTEER AS A BELL RINGER FOR SALVATION ARMY BETWEEN THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS AND PROVIDE HOPE FOR OUR NEIGHBORS THIS YEAR IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A

HAND. >> AWESOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. GREAT TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU. YEAH FOR SURE. THANK YOU ALL.

[A. Hold a public hearing and consider a petition for voluntary annexation of approximately 4.47 acres of land, generally located on the south side of Hartlee Field Road, approximately 580 feet east of East Sherman Drive, into the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas. (A25-0002a, Denton Striker, Ashley Ekstedt)]

>> OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO OUR ITEMS

FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. SO LET ME GET THERE. >> OKAY.

>> SO THE FIRST ITEM IS SICK. PARDON ME FOR A AG DEPARTMENT A25002A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A PETITION FOR VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION OF APPROXIMATELY 4.47 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HARTLEY FIELD ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 580FT EAST

OF EAST SHERMAN DRIVE. >> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. ASHLEY, ASSOCIATE

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NO ACTION IS REQUIRED. THERE WILL BE ONE MORE ITEM TONIGHT. THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE, WITH NO ACTION REQUIRED, WILL PUBLISH THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE. AND THEN IN JANUARY, THIS ITEM WILL BE BACK BEFORE THIS BODY. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. NO ACTION, BUT ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME. SEEING NONE. OKAY.

THANK YOU. AND I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING OKAY. SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. LEAVE

IT OPEN. >> CLOSE IT. GOT IT. >> OKAY. GOT IT. SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO CARE TO SPEAK? IT IS OPEN ITEM. YOU CAN SPEAK AND THEN FILL OUT A CARD AFTER THE FACT. SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THAT

[B. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding a change in the zoning district and use classification from Rural Residential (RR) District and Residential 4 (R4) District to the Residential 7 (R7) District on approximately 6.63 acres of land generally located south of East McKinney Street, approximately 615 feet west of Glenngary Way, in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official zoning map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violation thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted (6-0) to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Riggs and second by Commissioner Dyer. (Z25-0013a, 5090-5094 E McKinney, Mia Hines)]

615FT WEST OF GLENGARY WAY. >> EVENING. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MAYOR HINES SENIOR PLANNER. THIS ITEM IS WITH REGARD TO A PROPERTY JUST LOCATED JUST SOUTH OF EAST MCKINNEY STREET. THE PROPERTY IN TOTAL IS JUST OVER SIX ACRES, AND THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS RR. THE REQUEST IS TO R R AND R FOUR. RATHER, THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE TO R SEVEN.

THE APPLICANT CAME FORWARD ORIGINALLY WITH A REQUEST TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY TO MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE APPLICANT OR THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY OWNS THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST NORTH EAST, SORT OF OF THIS PROPERTY ALONG EAST MCKINNEY. AND THE INTENT WAS FOR ALL OF THEIR PROPERTY TO HAVE CONSISTENT ZONING IN ORDER FOR SALE OF THE PROPERTY. THEY DO NOT HAVE A LAND USE DETERMINED AT THIS TIME, BUT THEY WERE TRYING TO BASICALLY HAVE A CONSISTENT ZONING ACROSS THE PROPERTY THAT THEY OWNED IN ORDER TO SET IT UP TO BE SUCCESSFUL TO, FOR REAL ESTATE PURPOSES. THAT CHANGE HAS, SINCE THAT REQUEST HAS SINCE BEEN AMENDED TO FROM RN TO R7, AND NOW THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING SIMPLY THE R7 ZONING ACROSS THE ENTIRE SIX ACRES OF PROPERTY. WE DID PUT THIS REQUEST UP AGAINST THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, AND I'LL GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THESE POINTS HERE WITH THE REST OF MY PRESENTATION. ULTIMATELY, THE REQUEST FOR THE PROPOSED ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE R7 PURPOSE STATEMENT. THE PURPOSE IS ALSO GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND ITS CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. THE PROPERTY OR THE REQUEST IS ALSO COMPLIANT WITH THE OR WHAT ALLOW FOR THE EXISTING USES ON THE SITE TO CONTINUE AND ENSURE THAT DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY MOVING FORWARD WAS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND ZONING. AND THEN FINALLY, THE ZONING IS NOT EXPECTED TO GENERATE SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE ENVIRONMENT OR THE PROPERTIES SURROUNDING IT.

SO AS FAR AS ITS CONSISTENCY WITH THE R7 PURPOSE STATEMENT, THAT PURPOSE STATEMENT REQUIRES OR ALLOWS FOR A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES, AND THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS LOCATED BETWEEN THE PROPERTY PLANNED FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST AND AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION TO THE EAST, SO IT IS ADEQUATELY LOCATED TO BE SORT OF THAT TRANSITION BUFFER BETWEEN HIGH OR HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST AND THE LOWER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST. ADDITIONALLY, IT IS ADJACENT TO THE RECENTLY IMPROVED AND WIDENED PRIMARY ARTERIAL OF MCKINNEY WITHIN THIS AREA, SO THERE ARE PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES. ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE RIPE FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE R7 ZONING DISTRICT. JUST TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICTS AND THE R7, MY APOLOGIES. THAT IS NOT UPDATED FROM THE RN, BUT THAT R7 ZONING

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THIS TIME. >> GREAT! >> THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU

HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM AS WELL. >> OKAY. IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND

THEN REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU MAYOR. HELP ME JUST UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINES AND THE ORIGINS OF THINGS. THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS WAS R R AND R SEVEN TO AND WHO WHO INITIATED THE SUGGESTION OF THE R7 WAS WAS THAT P AND Z WAS THAT THE DEVELOPER? WAS THAT THE GLENGARY NEIGHBORHOOD? WHERE DID THAT COME FROM?

>> YEAH. SO DURING OUR DISCUSSION IN OUR REVIEW OF THE ACTUAL APPLICATION THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED, THEY WANTED TO GO WITH. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF TALKED TO THEM BEFORE WE EVEN NOTICED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING WAS THAT R7 MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA, GIVEN THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST AND THE. CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIALLY INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES THERE. ULTIMATELY, THE THE APPLICANT WANTED THE M AND IT MET THEIR GOALS AND WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO AND ACHIEVE. AND WE ALSO FELT THAT THE MEN DID MEET THE MODERATE RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IN THIS AREA, WITH SOME CONSISTENT.

POTENTIAL ENCROACHMENT. OR WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY, ENCUMBRANCES ON THE SITE. SO THERE'S SOME TREE PRESERVATION IN THE AREA. THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL ON THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST THAT COULD THIS HASN'T BEEN ESTABLISHED ON THIS SITE, BUT ON THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST IS ESA. THAT'S IT SEEMS LIKE IT CONTINUES ON. SO DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY WOULD RETURN AN

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WAS AMENABLE TO THAT CHANGE AT THAT TIME. >> OKAY, SO I TAKE IT FROM THAT, THAT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE PNC SAW THEY THEY INITIATED THAT THAT MODIFICATION AS, AS A COMPROMISE CHANGE TO TO THE THE PEOPLEC HEARING AT THAT BODY. OKAY. AND THEN YOU YOU ALLUDED TO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE CONSTANTLY FACED WITH THE CHALLENGE OF ZONING VERSUS FINAL FINAL DEVELOPMENT RESTRICTIONS AND NOTHING BEING A SURE THING. IS IT IS IT HOW COMMON IS IT FOR A US TO PROMOTE OR NOT PROMOTE? BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING. HOW COMMON IS IT FOR US TO HAVE APPLICATIONS AND AND AND MOVE THEM FORWARD WITHOUT REALLY A PROJECT IN MIND? BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THE THE BACKUP THIS THIS WAS A ZONING CHANGE, BUT NOT NOT NECESSARILY IMMEDIATELY IN ANTICIPATION OF A STRUCTURE GOING UP. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. SO CAN YOU ADD SOME COLOR TO THAT?

>> SURE. I THINK TYPICALLY WHEN CASES COME FORWARD AS A STRAIGHT Z CASE, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE A, A, A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT TIED TO IT. SOMETIMES APPLICANTS COME FORWARD AND THEY THEY INVEST THE MONEY AND THEY WANT THEY, THEY THEY HAVE A PROJECT IN MIND. SO THEY INVEST THE MONEY ON THE APPLICATION TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. IN THIS CASE, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS TRYING TO ENTITLE THEIR PROPERTY FOR THE ULTIMATE SALE OF IT. IT'S BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR A WHILE, IS MY UNDERSTANDING, AND THEY'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE MULTIPLE ZONING DESIGNATIONS ACROSS THE PROPERTY. SO THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE THAT INITIAL INVESTMENT THEMSELVES. AND THEN IF THIS BODY IS OKAY WITH IT,

OF COURSE DEVELOPMENT WOULD OCCUR ACCORDING TO THAT ZONING. >> OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT CLARITY. YOU WENT TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF, AND

I, I WILL HEAR THE REST OF WHAT MY MY FELLOW SAY. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

FIVE. >> MAYOR, IF I MAY JUST ADDRESS THAT THAT LAST QUESTION, DOCTOR BECK, IF YOU REMEMBER, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WE HAD THIS VERY SIMILAR PROJECT COMING FORWARD.

WE HAD THIS VERY SAME QUESTION WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON WANTED A REZONING SOUTH OF THE AIRPORT IN ADVANCE OF PROJECTS COMING. SO WE KIND OF DO STRAIGHT ZONING LIKE THIS FREQUENTLY. WE HAD ANOTHER ONE EARLIER AND EARLIER IN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. SO IT'S

GERMANE. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? AND IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF YOU CARE TO SPEAK YOU CAN IF YOU CAN COME DOWN, FILL OUT A CARD AFTER THE FACT. SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MAYOR PRO TEM.

>> THANK YOU. MAYOR. I WANTED TO START OFF BY THANKING STAFF FOR INCLUDING LINKS TO THE PAST MEETINGS. I WAS ABLE TO WATCH THOSE AND KIND OF SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT WAS AND WATCH PLANNING AND ZONING WORK THROUGH IT, BECAUSE THIS DID HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS ATTACHED TO IT. AND SO, AS MIA SAID, THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT ALL ONE ZONING DISTRICT JUST FOR EASE. AND SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS PUT INTO THIS. THEY GOT THEMSELVES ALMOST IN A LITTLE KNOT TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT, BUT THEY GOT IT FIGURED OUT, AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THEY DID TO KIND OF FIND A RESOLUTION. I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT FOR BEING FLEXIBLE AND WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THE AND THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL. I AGREE WITH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS THAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE TRANSITION BETWEEN THE LAND USE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, SO I MOVE

APPROVAL. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX.

>> DITTO TO WHAT THE MAYOR PRO TEM SAID. SECOND. >> THANK YOU. AND MAY I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION? I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE EXHIBIT EIGHT THE COMPARISON AND PERMITTED USES. TO YOUR POINT, LOOKING AT RETAIL SALES IS THE PROPERTY SUCH THAT IT'S NOT ALLOWED BECAUSE IT SAYS THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR GENERAL RETAIL USE RETAIL UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED, BETWEEN 5000FT■!S AND 15,000FT■!S. IS THERE JUST THE SHAPE OF THE LAND PREVENTS? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT ACCOMPLISHES WHAT THE WHAT THE INTENDED GOAL IS.

>> AS FAR AS NOT BEING ALLOWED BY. RIGHT. >> YES, YES.

>> SO I THINK THE CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THAT THE, THE, THE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE RELATED OR THAT THEY EXPERIENCED FROM THE EXISTING RETAIL, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE REPEATED. SO THE R7 DISTRICT REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF GENERAL RETAIL, AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE IT TO GO BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, LIKE MULTIFAMILY, GO BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR AND THIS BODY FOR

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STUFF LIKE THAT. >> OKAY, GREAT. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD IT. OKAY, GREAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

>> WHAT'S THAT? >> YES I OPENED IT AND CLOSE IT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. YEP. THIS IS. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. AND THAT TAKES US TO. ITEM FOUR. NO, WAIT.

[C. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding a change in the zoning district and use classification from Residential 1 (R1) to a Overlay Planned Development with a base zoning of Suburban Corridor (PD-SC) District on approximately 2.633 acres of land generally located northeast of the intersection of US 377 and Brush Creek Road, in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official zoning map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted (7-0) to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Garland and seconded by Commissioner Ketchersid. (PD25-0004a, Brush Creek Center, Angie Manglaris)]

>> I KNOW THERE'S A. >> C SOMEPLACE, RIGHT? YEAH. >> FOUR C.

>> GOT IT. IT'S A PD 25000 FOR A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS REGARDING A CHANGE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT AND USE CLASSIFICATIONS FROM RESIDENTIAL ONE TO OVERLAY PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH BASE ZONING OF SUBURBAN CORRIDOR DISTRICT ON APPROXIMATELY 2.633 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF INTERSECTION OF INTERSECTION. SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF US 377 AND

BRUSH CREEK ROAD. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ANGIE MAGLARAS, ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR, HERE TO PRESENT BRUSH CREEK CENTER. JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS REQUEST. THIS IS A REZONING REQUEST FROM RESIDENTIAL ONE DISTRICT TO AN OVERLAY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITH THE BASE ZONING OF SC WITH SEVERAL LAND USE RESTRICTIONS TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY WITHIN THE AREA. THIS IS A 2.63 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY SITUATED AT THE NORTHEAST INTERSECTION OF US 377 AND BRUSH CREEK ROAD. IT IS PART OF A LARGER 18 ACRE TRACT OF LAND SITUATED AT THAT NORTHEAST CORNER, THE REMAINDER OF WHICH WAS RECENTLY ZONED TO PDR FOR ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR, TO FACILITATE A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THEY DID SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDE THIS PORTION OF THE TRACT TO COME FORWARD WITH THE FUTURE REQUEST FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS PREDOMINANTLY NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, AND IT'S SURROUNDED BY A VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL USES, BOTH WITHIN THE CITY AND WITHIN THE EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION ALONG THAT 377 CORRIDOR. AGAIN, IT IS SITUATED AT THE NORTHEAST INTERSECTION OF US 377 AND BRUSH CREEK ROAD, BOTH OF WHICH ARE DESIGNATED AS PRIMARY ARTERIALS BY OUR MOBILITY PLAN. STAFF DID REVIEW THIS AGAINST OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL AND DO FIND IT CONSISTENT WITH THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS WELL AS IT DOES PROVIDE A GREATER LEVEL OF DESIGN QUALITY THAN WHAT YOU WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE WITH THE DDC, AND WILL ENSURE COMPATIBILITY WITH USES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DOES DESIGNATE THIS AS NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE.

THIS DOES SPECIFY THAT PREDOMINANTLY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE MAIN USE, BUT LOCAL SERVING, RETAIL, AND SERVICE USES ARE APPROPRIATE SPECIFICALLY IN AREAS OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WHERE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING RETAIL AND SERVICES ARE CRITICAL TO ACHIEVING BALANCED NEIGHBORHOODS. THE ZONING DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE MODERATE TO HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL USES, SUCH AS OFFICE AND RETAIL, ALONG HIGH TRAFFIC CORRIDORS. THE OVERLAY PLAN DEVELOPMENT DOES SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT SEVERAL USES, SUCH AS INDUSTRIAL, TO FURTHER FACILITATE THAT COMPATIBILITY. AGAIN AS PART OF THE OVERLAY PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, THEY DO ADOPT SEVERAL ADDITIONAL DESIGN STANDARDS THAN WHAT YOU WOULD FIND IN THE DDC. MOST NOTABLY WITH THIS ONE, THERE ARE 16 USES THAT ARE BEING EXPLICITLY PROHIBITED FROM DEVELOPING ON THIS TRACT. THAT DOES INCLUDE SOME THINGS, LIKE A VARIETY OF MANUFACTURING USES, FOOD PROCESSING, SELF STORAGE, AND WAREHOUSING. IN ADDITION, IT DOES SPECIFY SOME LANDSCAPING STANDARDS ALONG THAT US 377 CORRIDOR AND DOES SPECIFY REFUSE ENCLOSURE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE DDC OTHERWISE DOES NOT REQUIRE. PUBLIC OUTREACH WAS CONDUCTED.

STAFF DID MAIL NOTICES TO RESIDENTS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND DID RECEIVE THREE IN FAVOR. WAS ONE OWNER OF MULTIPLE PARCELS OF THAT PARENT TRACT. THE APPLICANT DID HOLD THREE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS SINCE APRIL 2025, AND THAT IS HOW SEVERAL OF THOSE PROHIBITED USES CAME ABOUT WAS THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PROCESS. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID CONSIDER THIS AND ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. SEVEN ZERO. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE AND I BELIEVE HAS A SHORT PRESENTATION AS WELL.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING NONE. I DO HAVE THE TWO CARDS. SO THE FIRST I THINK IS APPLICANT ANDREW BELCHER. IF YOU CAN COME UP GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE TEN MINUTES.

>> MY NAME IS ANDREW BELCHER. I'M WITH THE CIVIL ENGINEERS. I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY

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ENGINEERING RELATED QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. GOT IT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BELCHER? SEEING NONE.

OKAY. ALL GOOD. AND THEN, TREY JACOBSON, DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION?

>> YES, MAYOR. >> OKAY, GREAT. SO YOU HAVE TEN MINUTES.

>> VERY WELL. SO WE SET TO GO HERE. WE SO COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS TREY JACOBSON. I'M WITH MOMENTUM ADVISORY SERVICES. WE'RE BASED OUT OF SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. I'M REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER TODAY WHO COULD NOT BE HERE. OF COURSE, YOU'VE HEARD MANHART OUR CIVIL ENGINEER IS HERE AS WELL. I'VE SEEN YOUR AGENDA. IT LOOKS DAUNTING. I WILL TRY TO BE AS BRIEF AS I CAN. BLESS YOU. SO STAFF DOES A GREAT PRESENTATION. SO I'M GOING TO GO AND JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS. WE TALKED ABOUT THE DENTON MOBILITY PLAN. YOU KNOW BRUSH CREEK TODAY IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE IS AN EXTREMELY RURAL LOOKING ROAD. BUT OVER THE LONG TERM IT IS INTENDED TO BE A MAJOR PRIMARY ARTERIAL. AND AT THE INTERSECTION OF 377 WITH PARTICULARLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE WEST, THIS WILL BE A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION GOING FORWARD. SO THAT IS WHAT HAS ATTRACTED OUR CLIENT. AND LOOKING AT THIS, AS WELL AS DENTON FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. SO IN ALL, KEEPING IN CONTEXT THE INTENSITY OF THE TRAFFIC AND THINGS THAT GO THERE, THIS IS REALLY AN IDEAL COMMERCIAL CORNER FOR DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO WE HAVE NOT OUR CLIENT MY CLIENT IS LOOKING AT BUYING IT, DEVELOPING IT AS A RETAIL CENTER. WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE USERS ARE. WE HAVEN'T REALLY DONE THE FULL CONFIGURATION BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AND EVEN THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD NEED TO TAKE PLACE, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANYTHING THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE FOR AT LEAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

THROUGH OUR EXERCISES WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH, THE DESIGN EXERCISE, WE'RE LOOKING AT CITY CODES AND TEXDOT REQUIREMENTS, AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH HOW THIS SITE IS GOING TO END UP LAYING OUT JUST BECAUSE OF THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS AND LOOKING AT PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THE LIKE FOR TYPES OF COMMERCIAL, THE DESIGN TEAM CONTEMPLATES THAT THERE COULD BE ABOUT 13,700FT■!S IF IT WERE DEVELOPED IN A SINGLE BUILDING. NOW, TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF SCALE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT'S ROUGHLY THE EQUIVALENT OF LIKE A TRADER JOE'S OR A WALGREENS. SOMETHING OF THAT SCALE COULD GO ON THAT CORNER. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND LET ME JUST ALSO DISCLAIM QUICKLY THAT THOSE ARE NOT USERS THAT ARE COMING HERE, JUST THOSE THAT'S A SENSE OF SCALE FOR EVERYBODY. YEAH, EXACTLY. NOW WE HAD OUR DESIGN TEAM CONTEMPLATE WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IN A SINGLE BUILDING FORMAT. SO THIS IS ONE CONCEPT THAT JUST SHOWS SOME OF THE DIFFERENT DESIGN ESTHETICS. FOR 13,000FT■!S, YOU COULD BREAK THE BUILDING UP IN TWO DIFFERENT COMPONENTS. AGAIN, DIFFERENT ESTHETICS. LET ME STRESS, THIS IS NOT WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND IN ONE OF THE REASONS WE ORIGINALLY APPROACHED THIS THING FROM A SUBURBAN CORRIDOR IS BECAUSE THERE'S, WE DON'T KNOW, SOME OF THE USERS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE. AND WE NEEDED SOME FLEXIBILITY. BUT WE WERE QUICKLY PERSUADED BY CITY STAFF AS WE WERE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, THAT THERE'S A BETTER WAY OF DOING THIS WITH AN OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO ENHANCE THE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SITE. SO AGAIN, SC IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE DISTRICT GIVEN THE OTHER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT. THE VIRIDIAN PROJECT, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT ON FORT WORTH DRIVE, IS ACTUALLY KIND OF A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE. THAT'S ROUGHLY THE SAME SIZE OF A PROJECT TO. ANGIE MADE REFERENCE TO THE FACT WE'VE BEEN ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY, GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS, AS WELL AS ONE ON ONE ENGAGEMENT, AS WELL AS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT ARE FAR OUTSIDE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

NOTIFICATION AREA. SO THESE SHE SHARED THE LIST OF PROHIBITED LAND USES. I WON'T DWELL ON THAT AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. JUST I GUESS TO WRAP UP, THIS IS REALLY AN IDEAL COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR CORNER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING THE APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT WITH THE OVERLAY WITH, WE'RE ABLE TO ENHANCE THE COMPATIBILITY WITH OUR WITH THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORS WITH RESPECT TO THIS. AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT, AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE LATER ON.

>> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? MAYOR PRO TEM. >> THANK YOU. MAYOR, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU SAID THAT ALL OF THE PROHIBITED USES WERE, I GUESS, BRAINSTORMED BASICALLY

WITH RESIDENTS OR JUST INTERESTED PARTIES. >> NOT ALL OF THEM. WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH OUR OWN AND THERE WERE LIKE THERE USES THAT JUST ON ITS FACE DIDN'T REALLY GO THERE EITHER ON A CORNER OR WE WOULDN'T WANT IT WITH THE ADJOINING. IF I WERE A NEIGHBOR, I WOULDN'T WANT IT WITH ME. ALSO, KEEPING IN MIND THAT, AS ANGIE ALLUDED TO IN THE PRESENTATION, THIS IS PART OF A PARENT TRACK THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. SO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, WHO WE HAD TO GET PERMISSION FROM TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IS ALSO VERY SENSITIVE TO THE TYPES OF USES. SO THIS WAS A COLLABORATIVE

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WANT TO SEE, AND WE'VE INCLUDED THEM IN THE LIST. >> ABSOLUTELY, I APPRECIATE

THAT. THANK YOU. I'LL PULL BACK FOR NOW. THANK YOU. >> OKAY, I JUST HAVE A REAL QUICK QUESTION ON USING YOUR EXAMPLE. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME OBVIOUSLY, WE GOT TO SEE THAT MAP. WHAT'S THAT BUFFER LOOK LIKE BETWEEN THE RESIDENCES TO THE EAST AND THE PROPERTY LINE.

>> THE WELL THE PROPERTY LINES ARE DO YOU WANT TO. WELL THE PROPERTY LINE. YEAH. THE PROPERTY LINES ARE GOING TO ABUT BUT PD HAS CERTAIN BUFFERS, COMMERCIAL BUFFERS THAT ARE ALREADY INSTITUTED BY CODE FOR LANDSCAPING AND SETBACKS WITHIN THE SITE. SO WE'LL BE BUFFERING WITHIN OUR PROPERTY AGAINST THE ADJACENT USES BOTH TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST.

>> YEAH. BUT TO THE EAST. WHAT'S THAT? >> IS IT? I'LL LET ANGIE.

>> SO YES, HE IS CORRECT. WE DO REQUIRE WHEN ADJACENT TO ANY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THERE IS A LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT'S PROVIDED WITHIN THE DEVELOPING SITE. IN ADDITION, THE PARENT TRACK DID SORT OF PLAN FOR THIS AS WELL. AND SO ON. THE NORTH AND ALSO EASTERN PORTION OF THAT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THEY SORT OF BAKED IN A BUFFER AS WELL. AND THERE'S A 15 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT RUNS AROUND THAT. SO YOU'LL HAVE THAT 15 FOOT THERE. AND THEN I BELIEVE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, IT'S EITHER AN ADDITIONAL 10 OR 15 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED ON THAT TRACT AS WELL WITH WITH ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS TO, TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT, THAT SORT OF COMPATIBILITY OF SCALE THERE.

>> OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR.

>> ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A MOTION? YES, SIR. I APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU DON'T WANT USING USING THE THE CRITERIA THAT THESE ARE THESE ARE THINGS THAT I WOULD NOT WANT NEXT TO MY PROPERTY. I SINCERELY APPRECIATE THAT. I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO

APPROVE THIS. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A

MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MAYOR PRO TEM? >> THANK YOU. MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO THANK AGAIN. I APPRECIATE STAFF PUTTING THE LINKS TO PAST MEETINGS. I WATCHED BOTH OF THEM, INCLUDING 2023 AND THEN THE ONE FROM THIS YEAR. SO THIS HAS BEEN A GROUP EFFORT. I APPRECIATE THE THE WORK OF PLANNING AND ZONING FROM 2020 BACK IN 2023. THAT'S KIND OF GOTTEN US TO THIS POINT. AND THEN OUR CURRENT COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE MOVED

TO APPROVE IT, AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO VOTE FOR IT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, AND I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES 7 TO 0 TAKES US TO OUR FINAL PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS

[D. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding an amendment to Planned Development District 139 (PD-139), with amendments including but not limited to the development plan to remove a planned high school and adjust design elements of the remaining elements of the project, on approximately 15.375 acres of land generally located south of Vintage Boulevard, approximately 540 feet east of the I-35W Vintage Boulevard Ramp in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official zoning map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted (7-0) to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Riggs and second by Commissioner McDuff. (PDA25-0002a, Charter School, Julie Wyatt).]

PROJECT. >> ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. I'M JULIE WYATT, PRINCIPAL PLANNER, AND I AM PRESENTING PDA 25 TWO CHARTER SCHOOL TO YOU TONIGHT. THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT TO PD 139. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF VINTAGE, JUST EAST OF THE I-35 CORRIDOR. THE USE WAS ADOPTED AND APPROVED BACK IN 2020. THEY CAME FORWARD WITH A CHARTER SCHOOL AND ASSOCIATED SITE PLAN. SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS JUST TO MODIFY THAT SITE PLAN, NOT TO CHANGE THAT USE SO THAT CHARTER SCHOOL USE IS STILL A PART OF THE PROPOSAL. SOME BACKGROUND PLAN DEVELOPMENT 139 WAS ADOPTED IN 1991 AS A BUSINESS CENTER. IT'S BEEN MODIFIED SEVERAL TIMES, INCLUDING FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN 2020. ALSO, 213 ACRES HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THAT PLAN. DEVELOPMENT. THE THE SLIDE IN FRONT OF YOU JUST SHOWS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN.

AND THEN WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. THE ORIGINAL PLAN INCLUDED THAT HIGH SCHOOL WITH ASSOCIATED PARKING. THE SITE ALSO SPANNED OR THE THE FACILITY ALSO SPANNED FROM THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY ALL THE WAY TO VINTAGE ROAD. THE PROPOSED PLAN WOULD SHRINK THAT THAT PROPERTY BOUNDARY TO REMOVE FOUR AND A HALF ACRES BETWEEN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND VINTAGE, AND THEN REMOVE THAT HIGH SCHOOL SO THAT IT IS ONLY K THROUGH EIGHT. NOW THEY ARE PROPOSING, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, A HIGH SCHOOL THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING. SO IT'S THE HIGH SCHOOL SPOT AND PARKING IS GHOSTED IN. SO YOU COULD SEE HOW THAT SITE WOULD LAY OUT. BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE JUST PROPOSING THAT K THROUGH EIGHT. AS PART OF THE REQUEST,

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ALSO HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND QUESTIONS

FOR STAFF. MAYOR PRO TEM. >> THANK YOU. MAYOR JULIE, I HAD ONE QUESTION AT VINTAGE AND JOHN PAYNE. WILL THAT BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT OR A CHANNELIZED LEFT TURN ONLY WHERE YOU CAN'T

TURN RIGHT KIND OF SITUATION OR. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. >> SO JOHN PAYNE IS ACTUALLY A MOBILITY PLAN ROAD I BELIEVE IT'S A IT'S A FUTURE SECONDARY ARTERIAL THAT WILL CONNECT VINTAGE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO. JOHN. WELL, ALL THE WAY WHERE JOHN PAYNE IS NOW JUST SOUTH OF THERE. SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A CHANNELIZED. YOU COULD MAKE BOTH A LEFT AND RIGHT HAND TURN ON JOHN PAYNE. BUT BUT FROM VINTAGE THERE WOULD BE THOSE CHANNELIZED LEFT AND RIGHT HAND TURN LANES SO PARENTS COULD MOVE OUT OF THOSE TRAFFIC LANES TO MAKE SAFE TURNING MOVEMENTS.

>> SO SO SOMEBODY'S GOING NORTH ON. JOHN PAYNE CANNOT MAKE A LEFT TURN ONTO VINTAGE. CORRECT?

>> I BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. SORRY. SO I BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN. WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE IS THE CHANNELIZED RIGHT HAND TURN. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE. AND THEY MAY HAVE MORE INFORMATION FROM FROM THEIR TRANSPORTATION IMPACT ANALYSIS.

BUT ONCE AGAIN THAT'S A THAT'S A PUBLIC ROAD. SO IT WOULD IT WOULD HAVE THAT FREE FLOWING

MOVEMENT. >> YEAH. AND IT WON'T IT WON'T AFFECT MY DECISION ON THIS TODAY. BUT YEAH I WILL. WHAT'S TOP OF MIND FOR ME IS YOU KNOW, WHEN SCHOOLS LETTING OUT AND PARENTS ARE GOING UP AND GOING NORTH ON JOHN PAYNE AND WANT TO TURN LEFT ONTO A FAIRLY HIGH SPEED ROADWAY, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT CRASHES FOR PEOPLE. JOHN PAYNE GOING LEFT ONTO VINTAGE. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE THOUGHT BEHIND MY MY ASKING THIS.

>> WELL AND AT THAT TIME IF, IF THEY IF AND WHEN THEY DO COME BACK WITH A HIGH SCHOOL INCREASING THOSE TRIPS, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO AN ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS TO SEE IF AT THAT

POINT WHAT WHAT WOULD BE WARRANTED. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. >> THANK YOU. HI, JULIE. COULD

YOU ORIENT ME WHERE THE TRAVEL CENTER IS RELATIVE TO THIS? >> THE TRAVEL CENTER? YES, SIR.

>> WELL, HOLD ON. >> IT'S ACROSS THE STREET, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR EAST AND

WEST IT IS. >> THE THE RECENTLY APPROVED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. IT IS JUST ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT OR IT'S IT'S A LITTLE BIT TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AT

THAT HARD CORNER OF VINTAGE AND I-35W. >> OKAY. AND IS AND IS THE

TRAVEL CENTER ALSO ON JOHN PAYNE ROAD. >> NO, SIR. SO THAT WOULD JUST HAVE ACCESS TO VINTAGE ROAD AT SOME POINT WHEN I-35 MAKES SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT AREA. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACCESS WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE, BUT THAT PROJECT HAS DOES NOT HAVE

ANY ACCESS TO TO JOHN PAYNE ROAD. >> SO JOHN PAYNE TERMINATES AT

VINTAGE. >> WELL, CURRENTLY THERE IS NO JOHN PAYNE AT VINTAGE OKAY. IT

WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. >> OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU SO

MUCH. >> YOU BET. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

TWO. >> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO JUST ADD A LITTLE EXTRA OOMPH TO MAYOR PRO TEM. I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO DO A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. I. BUT WITH THE TXDOT CHANGES THAT ARE COMING IN THERE WITH THE THE CHANGES IN THAT CLOVERLEAF THAT CONCERNED US TWO YEARS AGO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME HEARTBURN ABOUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE WEST

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SO LET'S DO OUR BEST TO MANAGE THAT TRAFFIC, PLEASE. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. OH NO NO NO SORRY. REPRESENTATIVE. DISTRICT

SIX. THEN WE'LL COME BACK. YES, YES. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY FIRST OF ALL, HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THE FISCAL ANALYSIS THAT IS THAT ARE BEING INCLUDED NOW AND THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. I MEAN, IT JUST REALLY LAYS IT OUT FOR ALL OF US TRYING TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT EXTRA WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT EQUIPS US WELL. AND THEN ALSO, I KNOW THAT THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR QUITE SOME TIME. I THE CITY HAS BEEN IN IT WITH THEM, AND I'M I'M VERY GLAD THAT WE HAVE FOUND A GOOD OUTCOME AND THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT SIZED WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW. AND SO I'M HAPPY TO

VOTE IN FAVOR AND JUST THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

FOUR. >> WE'VE GOT KIND OF A HISTORY WITH, WITH THIS SCHOOL. AND AND I'M PLEASED THAT IT'S IT'S BEEN AN EXCITING TRIP. SO I'M IS IT THE GRIFFIN IS THAT CORRECT THE

MASCOT HELP ME SOMEBODY. >> YES. >> THE NIGHTS. THAT WAS MY

SECOND CHOICE. WELL GO GO NIGHTS AND AND. >> ANYWAY, I, I MOVE THE

APPROVAL OF THIS. >> OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM. >> AND I SECOND.

>> SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I THINK I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I'LL CLOSE IT JUST IN CASE. AGAIN, BEFORE WE VOTE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? ARE YOU GOOD?

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, PATRICK. HE WAS NOT ONLY HE HAS

A QUESTION. SO JUST TO MAKE SURE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. SO YOU KNOW I ECHO THAT THAT I'M GLAD THIS IS MOVING FORWARD. IT'S A GREAT LOCATION. IT'S GOING TO BE THE BUSY AREA. AND SO MUCH NEEDED THAT THAT EDUCATION COMPONENT. SO WITH THAT WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. WHO WE OH THERE WE GO. SEVEN ZERO THAT PASSES. THANK YOU.

[A. Conduct the first of two readings of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas annexing approximately 4.47 acres of land, generally located on the south side of Hartlee Field Road, approximately 580 feet east of East Sherman Drive, into the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; providing for a correction to the City map to include the annexed land; and providing for a savings clause and an effective date. (A25-0002b, Denton Striker, Ashley Ekstedt)]

6AA250002B CONDUCT THE FIRST OF TWO READINGS OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY 4.47 ACRES OF LAND. AND THIS IS GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH

SIDE OF HOLLYFIELD ROAD. >> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. THIS IS A 25 TWO, THE FIRST READING FOR DENTON STRIKER. THIS REQUEST IS TO CONDUCT THE FIRST OF TWO READINGS ON AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON TO ANNEX A APPROXIMATELY 4.47 ACRES OF LAND. IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HARTLEY FIELD, 580FT EAST OF EAST SHERMAN DRIVE. WE COVERED THE BACKGROUND EARLIER. I WON'T READ THAT TO YOU AGAIN. THIS IS THE LAST ITEM FOR THE FOR TONIGHT, THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE. NOW I WILL READ THE ORDINANCE, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY 4.47 ACRES OF LAND GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HARTLEY FIELD ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 580FT EAST OF EAST SHERMAN DRIVE INTO THE CITY OF DENTON, DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS, PROVIDING FOR A CORRECTION TO THE CITY MAP TO INCLUDE THE ANNEXED LAND AND PROVIDING FOR A SAVINGS CLAUSE

AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? >> OKAY. AND WE'RE TAKING

ACTION. >> NO ACTION. >> NO ACTION NECESSARY OKAY.

GREAT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THAT TAKES

[I. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton renaming the Juneteenth Softball Tournament to the John Royston Juneteenth Softball Tournament; and providing an effective date. The Parks, Recreation and Beautification Board voted to deny the proposed naming application (5-0).]

[J. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton authorizing the submission of an application through the Water Utilities Department to the Texas Water Development Board (TWDB) for financial assistance via a low-interest loan for sixty million dollars ($60,000,000) from the Clean Water State Revolving Fund for the Pecan Creek Water Reclamation Plant Reconstruction Project; designating the City Manager as the authorized representative of the City to apply for and take those actions necessary in connection with such application, designating the City’s Financial Advisor, Engineer and Bond Counsel and authorizing them to aid, assist and appear on behalf of the City before TWDB; approving the TWDB Resolution for such application; and providing an effective date.]

CONSIDER APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION THE CITY OF DENTON AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF AN APPLICATION THROUGH THE WATER UTILITIES DEPARTMENT TO THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD FOR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE VIA LOW INTEREST LOAN FOR $60 MILLION FROM CLEAN WATER. STATE

REVOLVING FUND FOR THE PECAN CREEK WATER RECLAMATION PLANT. >> GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. I'M

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THIS ALSO OFFERS A 30 YEAR REPAYMENT PERIOD. THE CITY HAS COMPLETED THE PRE-APPLICATION PROCESS AS DETAILED ON THE FLOW CHART TO THE LEFT, AND IS CURRENTLY AT THE SUBMIT APPLICATION STEP OF THE FLOWCHART DETAILED ON THE RIGHT. ONCE TTE DEEB RECEIVES THE COMPLETED APPLICATION, THEY'LL REVIEW AND THEN ISSUE A DETERMINATION LETTER. SO WATER UTILITIES PLANS TO UTILIZE BOTH THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCE INNOVATION ACT, WHICH WE REFER TO AS WIFIA, AS WELL AS THE OCF FUND TO FINANCE THIS PROJECT. WIFIA. THE WIFIA PROGRAM WILL FINANCE UP TO 49% OF A PROJECT'S APPROVED VALUE, REQUIRING THAT THE CITY MATCH THE 50 THE REMAINING 51%. WE PLAN TO USE THIS FUNDING AS THE CITY'S MATCH BY LEVERAGING BOTH OF THESE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, WE PLAN TO SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE OVERALL INTEREST PAY PAID ON THE LOAN WHEN COMPARED TO TRADITIONAL BOND FUNDING, AS WELL AS INCREASE THE PAYBACK PERIOD. THESE FUNDING BREAKDOWNS WERE PROVIDED THROUGH THE 60% COST MODEL, AS FROM THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER. AS A NOTE, THE WIFIA APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW IN. THE SRF APPLICATION IS DUE ON DECEMBER 4TH. NEITHER OF THESE ARE GUARANTEED UNTIL THE LOAN'S CLOSE. AS A REVIEW OF THE TIMELINE, WE SUBMITTED OUR INTENT TO APPLY ON OCTOBER 30TH OF THIS YEAR. IF APPROVED TONIGHT, WE PLAN TO SUBMIT THE COMPLETED APPLICATION BEFORE THE DECEMBER 4TH DEADLINE. DT DB WILL THEN REVIEW THIS, AND WE EXPECT A DECISION BETWEEN JANUARY AND MARCH OF NEXT YEAR WITH A LETTER OF COMMITMENT IN APRIL OF 2026, AFTER THEIR BOND SALE, WE CAN EXPECT CLOSING OF THE LOAN BETWEEN JUNE AND JULY OF NEXT YEAR. AS A RECAP, DT DB REQUIRES FORM DT DB DASH 0201A TO BE COMPLETED AND SUBMITTED.

THIS RESOLUTION OUTLINES THE $60 MILLION ASK. IT DESIGNATES A CITY REPRESENTATIVE TO EXECUTE DOCUMENTS, AND IT IDENTIFIES INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN PREPARE THOSE DOCUMENTS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED. AS A REMINDER, THIS ISN'T A COMMITMENT TO RECEIVE FUNDING. WE WILL COME BACK AFTER THE LOAN TERMS ARE PROVIDED NEXT YEAR WITH THE REQUEST TO RECEIVE THE FUNDING. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING NONE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

FIVE. >> KYLE, THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I WANT TO STAY CONSISTENT. I STILL BELIEVE ACCESS TO WATER IS GOING TO BE THE THE NEXT BIG CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE GOING FORWARD IN THE SOUTH AND THE SOUTHWEST IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS. SO WITH THAT

HAPPILY MOVING APPROVAL OF THIS RESOLUTION. >> THANK YOU.

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>> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. >> YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST TOOK OFFICE, STEVEN GAY TOOK ME ON A TOUR OF SOME OF THE WATER FACILITIES, AND I SAW NAMES ON THE WALLS OF PEOPLE WHO MADE DECISIONS BACK IN THE 50S THAT THAT AFFECT US TO THIS DAY. AND

I'M REALLY, REALLY PROUD TO SECOND THIS MOTION. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT HOW SERIOUS COUNCIL HAS HAS ALWAYS TAKEN THESE SORT OF UTILITY RESOURCES ACROSS THE BOARD. AND IT'S THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS IN NORTH TEXAS THAT ARE ARE NOT TREATING IT THIS WAY. AND I APPRECIATE THE WAY OUR CITY HAS HANDLED THE, YOU KNOW, THE IMMEDIATE

IMPORTANCE OF WATER. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. SO WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. YOU MOTIONED. YOU SECONDED. GOT IT. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO I

[7. CONCLUDING ITEMS]

>> THANK YOU. AS WE GO INTO THE HOLIDAY SEASON WE HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF MEETINGS. I WILL REMIND PEOPLE THAT WHILE IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO, YOU KNOW, THE DFW AREA OR EVEN THE WORLD, WE ONE OF OUR SPECIAL THINGS THAT WE DO IS IS IS BE WEIRD AND KRAMPUSNACHT IS COMING UP ON DECEMBER 5TH THROUGH THE SEVENTH. SO AFTER YOU'VE GOTTEN YOUR PUMPKIN PIE FOR

THANKSGIVING, START PUTTING YOUR KRAMPUS COSTUMES TOGETHER. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

ONE. >> I WISH I WAS HIP ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT THAT EVEN MEANS.

>> I'M SURE WE'LL FIND OUT TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR.

>> WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT. >> WAIT WAIT.

>> THAT'S ME. >> NO. >> DID YOU NOT RECOGNIZE ME,

SIR? NO. I BEG YOUR PARDON? >> THERE YOU GO. OKAY. BUT YOU'RE. ARE YOU IN QUEUE?

>> WELL, I. >> WAS, YEAH. THEN I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, BRIAN, I DIDN'T SEE YOU. OKAY. GOT IT. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. THANK YOU. WE'LL COME BACK.

>> THANK YOU. SO I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR ABOUT A LOT AS A PEER GROUP IS THAT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE DON'T GET ENOUGH INFORMATION. THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THINGS WE DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. AND WHEN IT'S TIME FOR US TO MAKE DECISIONS AND MAKE MOVES ON CERTAIN ITEMS IN THE COMMUNITY, WE HEAR BACK FROM CONSTITUENTS THAT NOTE THAT THEY HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE ONE SUGGESTION THAT WE DO AS A COMMUNITY. AND FOR ALL THAT HEAR MY VOICE, EVERYBODY RECEIVES A UTILITY BILL. AND IN THAT UTILITY BILL, INSTEAD OF JUST PULLING UTILITY BILL OUT, LOOKING AT IT, GETTING MAD, DOING WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO DO, THERE'S ALWAYS GENERALLY SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT IS PUT IN THERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER 60.

UNDERSTAND ABOUT 66,000 HOMES, YOU KNOW, ARE UNITS ARE AFFECTED BY THIS INFORMATION.

SO THERE'S INFORMATION THAT'S GETTING OUT THERE TO YOU. BUT WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO YOUR PART AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU PULL THAT INFORMATION OUT AND MAY COME IN A FORM OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOWING WHEN THE NEXT MEETING IS HAPPENING. THERE'S INFORMATION ABOUT RECYCLING.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE THAT'S GOING ON ON THAT, ON THAT INFORMATION. THE OTHER THING ON THE SAME VEIN IS THAT WHENEVER THERE'S A NEW PROJECT COMING UP OR WHENEVER THERE'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING THROUGH, THE CITY DOES DO A GREAT JOB IN PUTTING SOME SIGNAGE OUT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE. IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU SEE A LARGE SIGN THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, CITY OF DENTON PROJECT, BLAH BLAH, BLAH, WHATEVER IT IS. AND THEN THERE'S A QR CODE ON THERE. THAT'S YOUR CUE. IF YOU LIVE OVER THERE, THAT'S YOUR CUE TO GET IN THERE AND GET THAT QR CODE. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, PHONE NUMBER THAT YOU CAN THAT YOU CAN CALL TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S TRAUMATIZING WHEN YOU FIND OUT SOMETHING IS GETTING READY TO BE BUILT NEXT TO YOUR HOME STATE OR WHERE YOU LIVE, AND YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT AND YOU HADN'T HEARD ABOUT IT, THIS IS YOUR THIS WILL BE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT IT. SO I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE ALL OF US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO OUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE TO FIND OUT THIS INFORMATION. WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, WELL, WHAT, WHAT WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO TO HAVE THEM TO KNOW MORE THINGS IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER? I THINK THAT THE CITY DOES A GREAT JOB. DTV YOU CAN ALWAYS TURN ON THERE. THEY HAVE VIDEOS THAT COME OUT. FOLLOW DENTON

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HAPPY HOLIDAYS. WE'LL SEE YOU ALL VERY SOON. AGAIN. THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

SIX. >> COUNCILPERSON JESTER. AND I'M GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THIS LAST WEEK I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SYMPOSIUM FOR WOMEN IN PUBLIC LIFE THAT WAS HELD IN AUSTIN. WE HAD DIFFERENT UNITED STATES SENATORS. WE HAD LEGISLATORS FROM DIFFERENT STATES, AS WELL AS CITY COUNCILS AROUND THE STATE OF TEXAS. WE HAVE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL ATTENDEES AND PLANNERS FROM THE 50 YEARS AGO SYMPOSIUM OF WOMEN IN PUBLIC LIFE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE PROTEST OUTSIDE, DISAGREEING WITH WOMEN BEING IN POSITIONS SUCH AS WE ARE IN MY COLLEAGUES, TO MY RIGHT, YOUR LEFT. IT WAS PUT ON BY THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN'S LBJ SCHOOL OF PUBLIC POLICY WOMEN'S CAMPAIGN SCHOOL, OF WHICH I'M ON AN ADVISORY BOARD FOR, WHICH IS BIPARTISAN, TRYING TO JUST ENCOURAGE PEOPLE THAT MAYBE WOULDN'T CONSIDER IT OR HAVE A MENTOR OR SOMEONE TO HELP THEM WITH THE TOOLS TO RUN, TO RUN. AND THE THE TAGLINE FOR THE SYMPOSIUM WAS A BIPARTISAN PATH FORWARD. AND THE ENTIRE DAY WE HEARD STORIES OF PEOPLE WORKING ACROSS THE AISLE TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN FOR THE GREATER GOOD ON THINGS WE CAN AGREE ON. AND THERE ARE LOTS OF ISSUES AND LOTS OF WOMEN'S ISSUES, BUT IT JUST GAVE ME HOPE AND A DIRECTION AND A RENEWED WISH AND INTENTION TO CONSIDER THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WORKING TOGETHER AND GETTING TO KNOW THE PEOPLE I WORK WITH. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I WAS VERY INSPIRED, AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN ALL BE INSPIRED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING THE SAME WAY. SO ANYWAYS, I VERY MUCH LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EVERYONE AND JUST WANTED TO PASS ALONG A LITTLE GOOD

NEWS OUT THERE. THANK YOU. >> TURN US BACK ON REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

FIVE. >> MISS CITY MANAGER, AS OUR TIME WITH YOU WINDS DOWN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE AND THROUGHOUT THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS GIVE YOU SOME FLOWERS. SO TODAY I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THREE WONDERFUL THINGS YOU'VE DONE AND HIRING AMAZING PEOPLE. AND THEIR SKILLS WERE ON DISPLAY TODAY. AND JESSE AND STEVEN AND BRITTANY WANT TO APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP IN MAKING THOSE GREAT DECISIONS. I REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS CITY IS IN A YOU'RE GOING TO BE LEAVING THE CITY IN A WONDERFUL SPOT. SO WE THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE, THE PEOPLE YOU'VE PUT IN PLACE TO CONTINUE TO HELP SERVE ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF DENTON. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO TO BOTH MY GIRLS.

>> EXCELLENT. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THEM FOR SURE. AND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

FOUR. >> GOOD. THANK YOU. THIS SATURDAY TO TWO BIG THINGS HAPPENING. THE NUMBER 22 IN THE NATION NORTH TEXAS MEAN GREEN TRAVEL. YEAH TRAVEL TO HOUSTON TO PLAY RICE UNIVERSITY NUMBER 22 IN THE NATION. DID I MENTION THAT. AND THE FOLLOWING. FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 28TH WILL BE YOUR LAST CHANCE TO SEE THE MEAN GREEN IN ACTION DURING THE REGULAR SEASON. BUT WE HOPE TO HAVE PLENTY OF POSTSEASON GOING ON. BUT THERE, THE NUMBER 22 TEAM IN THE NATION. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME NORTH TEXAS HAS BEEN RANKED IN 59 YEARS. I REMEMBER I ACTUALLY WAS AT THE YES, I WAS THERE. I WAS THERE, AND ALSO THIS SATURDAY, THE 22ND IS THE 43RD ANNUAL DENTON BREAKFAST, KIWANIS TURKEY ROLL BICYCLE RALLY. IT LEAVES FROM THE NEW DENTON HIGH SCHOOL AT 9:00 ON SATURDAY. IT WINDS THROUGH NORTH AND NORTHEAST DENTON COUNTY. SIX DIFFERENT ROUTES DEPENDING ON ON ABILITY LEVEL AND 43RD YEAR. SO. AND I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ALL OF THOSE TOO. SO PLEASE, PLEASE COME COME. IF YOU CAN'T RIDE WITH US, JUST COME AND WATCH TO SEE ALL THESE BICYCLES LEAVE DENTON HIGH SCHOOL. THANK YOU,

MR. MAYOR. >> YES. ABSOLUTELY YOU CAN. >> AND HOW MANY HAVE REGISTERED

THUS FAR? >> OVER. OH, OVER 700. I'M OVER 700. WE GOT. WE GOT WHAT? THIS IS WEDNESDAY. THURSDAY, FRIDAY. YEAH. I'M REAL EXCITED. THIS IS THIS IS A BIG DEAL.

>> IT'S GREAT. >> MAYOR PRO TEM. >> THANK YOU. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND I DID CHECK THE WEATHER AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL. LOW 51,

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GOTTEN LOTS OF FUNDING FOR REALLY GREAT PROJECTS. DONE GREAT PROJECTS I MEAN DENTON HALLOWEEN. YEAH. RIGHT. SO SO GARY'S OFF TO ARLINGTON. THAT'S WHERE HE WAS BEFORE DENTON I BELIEVE. SO BEST WISHES TO GARY. THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DID FOR THE CITY.

>> ABSOLUTELY. AGREED. YES. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? SO I HAVE A FEW TO RATTLE OFF. SO FIRST I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO TXDOT. THEY TAKE A LOT OF GRIEF. THEY DO A LOT. BUT MAN IT'S BEEN AMAZING. THEIR WORK. AND WHOEVER'S ENGINEERING THOSE SWITCHES AND THE WORK TO BE DONE AND THEN YOU SWITCH AND THE AND THE THING THE 35 EXIT NOT BEING LINKED WITH BONNIE BRAE ANYMORE AS A AS A THING OF BEAUTY AND JUST ALL THE OTHER WORK THEY'RE DOING ON THE SIDE, I MEAN, I JUST REALLY WANT TO GIVE CREDIT TO WHOEVER MAKES ALL THAT GO BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING GREAT WORK. THEN JUDGE TALKED ABOUT UNT FOOTBALL, BUT THE BASKETBALL TEAM IS OFF TO A GREAT START. BOTH OF THEM. IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, THE WOMEN'S BASKETBALL TEAM AT UNT RUNS ON PREMIUM FUEL ONLY, THEY'RE AMAZING. THE MEN'S TEAM, NEW COACH, THEY'RE DOING GREAT. AND THEN ALSO THE SCHOOL OF MUSIC, THE COLLEGE OF MUSIC, LOOK, LOOK FOR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THEY HAVE AROUND THE HOLIDAYS AND TREMENDOUS MUSICIANS RIGHT HERE IN TOWN. SO WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE RYAN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. I GOT TO GO VISIT THEM THIS PAST WEEK AND IT WAS A DELIGHT. WE ANSWERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND IT'S JUST FANTASTIC. IT'S CAN'T BEAT IT. THEN ALSO TONIGHT AT TEN, I DO BELIEVE RIVERA ELEMENTARY IS FEATURED IN A NEWS STORY ABOUT HOW THEY THEY'VE INCREASED THEIR PERFORMANCE THERE AT THE SCHOOL SIGNIFICANTLY. SO I THINK THAT'S A 10:00 TONIGHT. AND THEN TWU, I'D ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THEM IN THEIR WRESTLING, THEIR WRESTLING TEAM. I HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW THEM AND TOLD THEM I'D MAKE IT TO A MATCH. AND SO IF YOU'VE NOT BEEN OR DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAVE, THAT'S THE I THINK IT'S THE ONLY STATE SCHOOL IN IN STATE COLLEGE THAT HAS A WRESTLING TEAM HERE. AND SO IN TEXAS. AND SO FOR SURE IN TEXAS, MAYBE IN THE COUNTRY, DOCTOR FATE IS GOING TO GET MAD AT ME FOR NOT KNOWING THAT. BUT ANYWAY, GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GO SUPPORT THOSE STUDENT ATHLETES.

WE WON'T BE BACK BEFORE THANKSGIVING, SO I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A SAFE AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING. AND IF YOU'RE TRAVELING, TRAVEL SAFE. TREE LIGHTING IS COMING UP, SO MAKE SURE YOU BUY YOUR VIP TICKETS. ALL THOSE THINGS. IT'S A GREAT EVENT. IS IT ALREADY SOLD OUT? WELL, YOU CAN BUY THEM ON EBAY. GOTTA PAY THE MARKUP. AND THEN. AND THEN THERE'S THE BOOK.

THERE'S A THING CALLED THE BOOK BUSTER. THERE'S A CHARITY THAT I THAT IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. SUSAN CHANCE IS THE FOUNDER, THE LADY THAT THAT HER AND HER HUSBAND. BUT SET THAT ASIDE. THEY LOOK UP ON FACEBOOK. DO YOU TREAT YOURSELF? IT'S THE DECATUR BOOK BUS. AND WHAT THEY HAVE IS A MOBILE LIBRARY FOR SMALLER COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T HAVE A LIBRARY. AND IT IS DELIGHTFUL. THEY JUST FINISHED IT. IT'S BASICALLY AN RV HAS TWO READING NOOKS. IT'S JUST YOU CAN'T DESCRIBE IT. YOU HAVE TO SEE IT. BUT THEY'RE DOING AMAZING WORK TO SUPPORT EDUCATION, AND IT'S A GREAT NONPROFIT. THE NONPROFIT IS FRIENDS OF VAIL. YOU CAN LOOK THEM UP. IT'S A VERY COMPELLING, POWERFUL STORY. AND THEN LASTLY, TWO THINGS I WANT TO PICK UP WHERE MAX CROSBY FROM THE RAIDERS LEFT OFF. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF YOU IF YOU NEED IT, THE SUICIDE HOTLINE NUMBER IS 988. AND AGAIN, IF YOU IF YOU'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU NEED THAT THE THE THAT PEOPLE WANT, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE TO ANSWER. AND THAT SUBSCRIPTION HOTLINE IS IS NINE APARTMENTS. SUICIDE HOTLINE IS NINE, EIGHT EIGHT. AND I LIKE WHAT COACH THE DALLAS COWBOYS COACH IS ASKING HIS PLAYERS. I THINK IT'S GOOD. AND HE ASKED, WHAT ARE YOU FEELING VERSUS HOW ARE YOU FEELING? AND SO THAT IT JUST ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO BE MORE VULNERABLE ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS. UNDERSTANDING HIS TEAMS HAD A TOUGH COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY A PROFOUND QUESTION. AND SO PLEASE CHECK ON EACH OTHER, ESPECIALLY DURING THESE HOLIDAY TIMES. MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS WHAT THEY NEED AND THAT WE'RE TALKING TO THEM. AND IT'S SEVEN

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.