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          THIS MEETING AND CITY COUNCIL. TODAY IS TUESDAY, DECEMBER 2ND, 2025. IT IS 2 P.M. WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS, IS ANY ANY SPEAKERS? SEEING NONE THAT TAKES US TO OUR SECOND POINT IS REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION ON AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ON THE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION QUESTIONS ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEMS OR PUBLIC HEARING. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. AND THEN I WILL GIVE EVERYONE A HEADS UP. WE ARE ON A TIGHT SCHEDULE TODAY. OBVIOUSLY. 
          ACTION PACKED AGENDA AGENDA. SO PLEASE KEEP IT AS MUCH AS QUESTION AND ANSWER FORMAT AS POSSIBLE. LOTS. I'M NOT GOING TO IGNORE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. LOTS OF OPINIONS, LOTS OF THOUGHTS. LET'S NOT LECTURE EACH OTHER. LET'S ASK QUESTIONS, GATHER INFORMATION, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO VOTE. SO I WILL JUST GIVE YOU A HEADS UP. I'LL REMIND YOU OUT THERE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO LECTURE EACH OTHER. HOPEFULLY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. GET ANSWERS. GET INFORMATION YOU NEED. MOVE FORWARD TO A VOTE. AND SO IF THAT GETS OUT OF WHACK AND THERE'S FIVE TEN MINUTES OF OF. KIND OF OPINING, THEN I'M GOING TO START AS CHAIR. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO START REELING THAT IN AND LIMITING THAT TIME. SO I'M HOPING TO AVOID THAT. WE CAN SELF-REGULATE. SO I'LL REMIND YOU OUT THERE AGAIN, JUST JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE 
          [A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the Airport Master Plan Update.
    [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]
SAME PAGE. THAT TAKES US TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION THREE A ID 251543 RECEIVE. REPORT, HOLD. 
          DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN. 
          >> MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL RYAN ADAMS, DENTON ENTERPRISE AIRPORT. BEFORE WE HAVE OUR CONSULTANTS, KAUFMAN ASSOCIATES, STEP UP TO DELIVER THE PRESENTATION, I JUST WANT TO GIVE A FEW COMMENTS. THIS PRESENTATION, THIS PLAN IS THE CULMINATION OF ABOUT 18 MONTHS OF WORK. WE LAST MET WITH THE COUNCIL DECEMBER OF 2024 TO GIVE A PRELIMINARY UPDATE. ONCE THE DATA HAD BEEN COLLECTED. THIS PLAN IS A FACILITIES PLAN. IT'S NOT A STRATEGIC PLAN. SO THIS IS PLANNING FOR HOW WE, AS THE AIRPORT, CONSTRUCT THE PUBLIC FACILITIES THAT CAN SERVE THE AVIATION DEMAND OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. IT FOLLOWS A VERY PRESCRIBED PROCESS FROM THE FAA. SO THEY VERY MUCH TELL US HOW TO RUN THIS PLANNING PROCESS. AND I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T GIVE YOU A HEADS UP ON THE LAST SLIDE. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A VERY EXTENSIVE LIST OF PROJECTS WITH AN EVEN MORE EXTENSIVE PRICE PER PROJECT. WHAT I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU IS THAT THIS IS NOT EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY HAS TO DO OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. IT IS VERY MUCH A MENU OF POTENTIAL PROJECTS. WE INCLUDE THEM IN THE PLAN BECAUSE WHEN PROJECTS ARE IN THE PLAN, THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR FAA FUNDING AND THAT FUNDING IS AT 90%. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE OPTIONS GOING FORWARD SO THAT AS THE MARKET SHIFTS, WE CAN PIVOT TO OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE NEED MORE AT THAT TIME. SO WITHOUT FURTHER DELAY, I WILL 
          HAND IT OVER TO ERIC PFEIFER WITH KAUFMAN ASSOCIATES. >> ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GIVING US THE TIME TO TALK. LET'S SEE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE JUST USE THE KEYBOARD TO CLICK THROUGH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. SO I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH KIND OF WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST YEAR. YOU KNOW WE SPOKE TO YOU LAST DECEMBER. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF THIS. I WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS LAST TIME WE WERE HERE. WE'VE BROKEN OUT INTO THREE DIFFERENT PHASES. WE LOOK AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR. WE ARE AT THE DRAFT FINAL STAGE, AND BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SHOWING YOU IS OUR OVERALL RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO DEVELOP THE AIRPORT OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, AND THEN WE WILL TAKE THIS PLAN AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, AND SUBMIT THAT TO TEXDOT AND TO THE FAA AFTER THIS PROCESS AND GET THEM TO START THEIR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF OF OUR PLAN. WE HAD ESTABLISHED AT THE ONSET A PLANNING ADVISORY COMMITTEE CONSISTING OF A LITTLE OVER 20 INDIVIDUALS FROM VARIOUS STAKEHOLDER GROUPS, TENANTS ON THE AIRPORT, CITY STAFF, AND DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY TO OFFER US FEEDBACK AND INPUT THROUGHOUT THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS. AND THAT IS REALLY KEY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS, SO THAT WE GET A REALLY ROBUST FEEDBACK ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AT THE AIRPORT. AND THIS GROUP DID A FANTASTIC JOB OF GIVING US THAT FEEDBACK AND 
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KIND OF GUIDING US THROUGHOUT THE MASTER PLAN. WE ALSO SET UP A STUDY WEBSITE WHERE WE DISTRIBUTED ALL THE DRAFT MATERIALS AND MADE THAT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT THEY COULD REVIEW EVERYTHING AND SUBMIT COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK OVER THE COURSE OF OF THE STUDY. AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROCESS FOR US. SO IN TERMS OF HOW WE'RE PLANNING THE AIRPORT FACILITIES AND THE KINDS OF AIRCRAFT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE AS A GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT, WHICH IS INTENDED TO SERVE ALL MANNER OF OF AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS, CIVILIAN AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS, EXCLUDING SCHEDULED COMMERCIAL SERVICE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES, THIS AIRPORT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A VARIETY OF SMALL AIRCRAFT ON UP TO THE LARGEST BUSINESS JETS OPERATING IN THE NATIONAL FLEET. AS YOU WHAT YOU SEE HERE, THE CHALLENGER 600 AND THE GULFSTREAM G650. THESE REPRESENT YOUR EXISTING AND FUTURE CRITICAL AIRCRAFT. AND SO WE WANT THIS AIRPORT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE LARGEST BUSINESS JETS THAT OPERATE. AND SOME OF THESE AIRCRAFT, YOU KNOW, THE G650 CAN CERTAINLY OPERATE AT THE AIRPORT NOW, BUT THERE ARE A FEW MINOR ENHANCEMENTS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED TO HELP BETTER ACCOMMODATE THEM. AND CERTAINLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LANDSIDE FACILITIES, APRON SPACES, HANGARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE WANT TO START THINKING MORE ABOUT DEVELOPING THOSE TYPES OF FACILITIES TO ACCOMMODATE THESE TYPES OF CRITICAL AIRCRAFT. ANOTHER BIG COMPONENT OF WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS EVALUATING THE AIRPORT IN TERMS OF ITS CAPABILITY OR POTENTIAL CAPABILITY FOR COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS, BOTH PASSENGER SERVICE AS WELL AS AIR CARGO, AND REALLY LARGELY WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST YEAR IS MCKINNEY HAS MADE GREAT STRIDES IN TERMS OF TAKING THOSE STEPS TO BRING COMMERCIAL SERVICE TO THEIR AIRPORT. THEY BROKE GROUND ON AN OVER $70 MILLION TERMINAL FACILITY OVER THE COURSE OF THIS SUMMER. AND SO BASICALLY, THE STUDY IS CONCLUDING THAT THEY ARE MUCH FURTHER AHEAD IN TERMS OF GETTING THIS ACTIVITY AT THEIR AIRPORT, THE METROPOLITAN AREA. WHILE IT CERTAINLY NEEDS A THIRD COMMERCIAL SERVICE AIRPORT, WOULD NOT SUPPORT A FOURTH COMMERCIAL SERVICE AIRPORT AND ESPECIALLY A SECOND ONE IN KIND OF THE NORTHERN SUBURBAN AREAS OF THE METRO. SO WE ARE CONCLUDING THAT THAT IS NOT A VIABLE OPTION TO PURSUE, FOR DENTON IS GOING AFTER THAT COMMERCIAL PASSENGER SERVICE ACTIVITY. IN TERMS OF AIR CARGO, YOU DO HAVE SOME CHARTER AIR CARGO OPERATIONS THAT HAPPEN AT THE AIRPORT CURRENTLY, AND THAT WILL CERTAINLY CONTINUE. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, PREVAILING CONDITIONS AND AND TRENDS AMONG THE LARGER MAINLINE AIR CARGO OPERATORS, FEDEX, UPS, AMAZON AIR, THOSE KINDS OF SERVICES ARE VERY MUCH ACCOMMODATED WITH YOUR COMPETITION IN THE REGIONAL AREA. DFW LOVE AND FORT WORTH ALLIANCE. AND BECAUSE OF THAT COMPETITION AND THEIR CAPABILITIES, BEING ABLE TO SERVE THAT MARKET, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE LARGE SCALE COMMERCIAL AIR CARGO ACTIVITY AT DENTON, BUT WE DO ANTICIPATE CONTINUED CHARTERS AND POSSIBLY SOME GROWTH IN THAT REALM. AND SO AS PART OF THAT, WE DO INCLUDE IN THE PLAN SOME DEDICATED AIR CARGO HANDLING FACILITIES, MORE OR LESS A PLACEHOLDER IN CASE THAT ACTIVITY DOES GROW OVER TIME. IN TERMS OF THE RECOMMENDED DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT. AND SO THIS IS SHOWING YOU AND FOCUSED LARGELY ON THE AIRFIELD SYSTEMS, THE RUNWAYS, TAXIWAYS AND THINGS. NAVIGATIONAL AIDS. THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE, BUT I'LL SUMMARIZE IT TO SAY YOUR PRIMARY RUNWAY RIGHT NOW, JUST OVER 7000FT. WE DO NOT PLAN FOR ANY ENHANCEMENTS TO THE DIMENSIONS OF THE RUNWAY LENGTH. WIDTH IS ALL ADEQUATE FOR THE TYPES OF BUSINESS JETS AND AIRCRAFT IN GENERAL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACCOMMODATING HERE OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. WE DO HAVE SOME SOMEWHAT MINOR SAFETY ENHANCEMENTS THAT WE'VE WORKED IN, AS WELL AS SOME NEW TAXIWAY EXITS TO INCREASE CAPACITY AND AND KIND OF ENHANCE THE CIRCULATION FOR THE PRIMARY RUNWAY, YOUR SECONDARY RUNWAY, 18 RIGHT, 36 LEFT THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED BACK IN 2019. WE DO SHOW 1000 FOOT EXTENSION TO THAT RUNWAY. AND THAT REALLY IS TO BETTER SERVE SOME INCREASED USAGE OF THAT RUNWAY, PARTICULARLY WHEN NEW DEVELOPMENT OCCURS ON THAT WEST SIDE, WHICH THERE'S NOTHING OVER THERE AT THE AT AT THE PRESENT. BUT WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT AREA BEING DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE AND WANTING TO BEEF UP THAT RUNWAY AND TAXIWAYS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT TO SERVE THOSE USERS ON THE LANDSIDE AREAS. SO TALKING ABOUT APRONS AND HANGARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THIS IS SHOWING THE EAST SIDE CONCEPT. AND WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THIS SIDE IS SOME ENHANCEMENTS 
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AND EXPANSIONS OF THE APRON AREAS, WHICH IS GOING TO ALLOW FOR BETTER CAPACITY FOR AIRCRAFT PARKING AND CIRCULATION, AS WELL AS SOME REDEVELOPMENT OF SOME OF THE HANGAR AREAS. LIKE I MENTIONED, WITH LARGER CONVENTIONAL STYLE HANGARS THAT ARE GOING TO BETTER SERVE THE BIGGER BUSINESS JETS THAT THAT ARE MORE FREQUENTLY USING THE AIRPORT ON THE WEST SIDE. AS I MENTIONED, WE DO PLAN FOR THIS AREA TO BE DEVELOPED, PARTICULARLY ONCE THAT PROPOSED LOOP TO 88 IS CONSTRUCTED OVER IN THAT AREA TO PROVIDE BETTER ACCESS TO THE AIRPORT'S WEST SIDE. WE DO PLAN FOR SOME SMALLER TYPES OF HANGARS FOR SOME OF THE SMALLER AIRCRAFT USERS OF THE AIRPORT, AS WELL AS NEW ACCESS POINTS AND APRON AREAS. IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT A NEW GENERAL AVIATION TERMINAL FACILITY SHOULD BE DECIDED TO BE CONSTRUCTED OVER IN THIS AREA TO SERVE THAT SIDE OF THE AIRPORT, YOU'LL SEE A LARGE AREAS OF YELLOW SHADING, WHICH IS RESERVED FOR NON-AERONAUTICAL USES. AND THE PURPOSE BEHIND THAT IS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE FRONTAGE ROADS AND THE FRONTAGE TO THE LOOP. 288 SO THAT THE AIRPORT CAN EXPAND SOME REVENUE STREAMS AND ENHANCE THE CASH FLOW INTO THE AIRPORT FROM SOME NON-AERONAUTICAL USES, WHICH ARE GENERALLY CONSIDERED A MORE STEADY STREAM OF CASH FLOW FOR AN AIRPORT. YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE IN THIS PINK SHADED AREA AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, A PLANNED DESIGNATION AREA FOR A VERTIPORT, SO THAT IS IN LINE WITH THE ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY EMERGING TECHNOLOGY COMING OUT IN AVIATION. THIS IS THE ELECTRIC VERTICAL TAKEOFF AND LANDING TYPE OF AIRCRAFT LOOKING TO CONDUCT SMALL SCALE CHARTER OPERATIONS IN AND AROUND LARGE METROPOLITAN AREAS. WE WANTED TO RESERVE THAT POSSIBILITY. IT'S STILL, LIKE I SAID, IT'S AN EMERGING TECHNOLOGY. THERE ARE NOT PROVEN MODELS OF THIS AS OF YET, BUT IT IS COMING AND THERE'S LOTS OF PLANNING IN PLACE FOR THIS. SO WE WANTED TO FOLLOW THAT AND MAKE SURE IT'S IT'S IN THIS PLAN AT A SEPARATION FROM YOUR RUNWAY SO THAT WE'RE NOT INTERACTING. THOSE TWO DIFFERENT USER BASES AND DISRUPTING THE FIXED WING OPERATIONS ON THE AIRPORT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE WERE SEPARATE AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY COULD. IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT STAGING. FOR THIS, WE BROKE OUR PROJECTS OUT INTO A SHORT INTERMEDIATE AND LONG TERM PERIODS. SO THAT'S GOING TO COINCIDE WITH A FIVE, TEN AND 20 YEAR. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS MEANT TO BE ADJUSTED ANNUALLY OVER TIME AS DEMAND MATERIALIZES. THIS IS A DEMAND BASED PLAN OR STRUCTURED TO BE A DEMAND BASED PLAN. BUT IN THAT FIRST FIVE YEAR PERIOD, THINGS IN GREEN LARGELY IS ASSOCIATED WITH SOME AIRFIELD PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE PROJECTS THAT ARE HAVE ALREADY BEEN PLANNED BY THE CITY, AS WELL AS SOME ACQUISITION OF SOME NEW FLEET VEHICLES AND A FEW THINGS LIKE THAT. GETTING INTO THAT INTERMEDIATE TERM, THE BLUE SHADED PROJECTS. THIS IS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING A LOT OF THE REINVESTMENT AND ADJUSTMENTS AND SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON THE EXISTING LANDSIDE AREA ON THE EAST SIDE, AND THEN ALSO SETTING UP THE STAGE FOR THE WEST SIDE DEVELOPMENT, WITH A NEW PARALLEL TAXIWAY OVER ON THAT WEST SIDE. AND THEN THE LONG TERM ARE THE PROJECTS IN RED. THAT IS WHERE WE GET INTO A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE ANTICIPATE OVER THERE ON THAT WEST SIDE. SO WE DEVELOP A PROJECT COST ESTIMATES FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT. AND THIS IS A SUMMARY OF EACH OF THOSE PERIODS. SO WE DON'T HAVE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS LISTED OUT HERE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE TOTAL PROGRAM COST OF 421 MILLION. VERY LARGE NUMBER. AND AS RYAN MENTIONED, THIS IS SIMPLY A MENU OF OPTIONS FOR THE AIRPORT TO PURSUE. IF THAT DEMAND MATERIALIZES, WE WANT TO BE FORWARD THINKING HERE AND AND MAKE SURE WE GIVE THE THE COMMUNITY AND THIS AIRPORT ALL THE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO UTILIZE FEDERAL GRANT FUNDING. AND IN DOING SO, WE NEED TO INCLUDE THESE PROJECTS IN THIS PLAN. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE PROJECTS. SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WILL FALL OUT. DEMAND WILL NEVER MATERIALIZE FOR THEM, OR THINGS WILL GET ADJUSTED OVER TIME. THERE ARE 61 TOTAL PROJECTS. AND AGAIN, THIS PLAN DOES NOT GUARANTEE THE CITY OR THE FAA OR TXDOT WILL FUND ANY OF THESE PROJECTS AS SIMPLY LAYING OUT WHAT PROJECTS ARE AND WHAT THE ELIGIBILITY FOR FUNDING MIGHT BE. AND AGAIN, THIS WILL CHANGE OVER TIME AND FLUCTUATE BASED UPON THOSE DEMANDS. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF COVERS MY HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW HERE. I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. THIS IS A VERY ROBUST THICK DOCUMENT. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN HERE INCLUDING A FULL DETAIL ON THE AIR CARGO ANALYSIS THAT WAS CONDUCTED IS INCLUDED AS AN APPENDIX TO THE REPORT. BUT BUT 
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YEAH, I'LL KIND OF FINISH UP. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WOULD LOVE TO ANSWER THOSE. 
          >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR SO MUCH FOR THIS REPORT. THANK YOU FOR ALSO NOT GIVING US THE ENTIRE BOOKLET THAT YOU JUST HELD UP. OR MAYBE, MAYBE I ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE READ IT, I DON'T KNOW. CAN YOU PROVIDE SORT OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES OR CONSTRAINTS THAT THE AIRPORT FACES RIGHT NOW, SOMETHING THAT'S SORT OF HOLDING YOU BACK A LITTLE BIT? 
          >> YEAH. I WOULDN'T SAY THERE'S ANYTHING HOLDING IT BACK. I WOULD COUNTER THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN AIRPORT WITH A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY, A LOT OF AIRPORTS, YOU KNOW, IN THE METRO AREA AND BEYOND ARE VERY MUCH LAND CONSTRAINED, DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT OR GROWTH. YOU HAVE THAT HERE. YOU GUYS AND STAFF RYAN HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB RUNNING, RUNNING THIS AIRPORT AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT HAVE COME ALONG. THERE'S GOING TO BE OTHERS. I KNOW HE GETS INQUIRIES FREQUENTLY FOR DEVELOPING FOR DEVELOPMENTS AT THE AIRPORT, AND YOU GUYS HAVE THE CAPACITY TO TAKE SOME OF THAT ON. THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS GOING TO BE GETTING THAT STARTING DEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST SIDE. THAT'S ALWAYS THE TRICKIEST PART IS GETTING THAT FIRST DEVELOPMENT IN A NEW GREENFIELD PART OF YOUR AIRPORT. THE LOOP WILL CERTAINLY HELP WITH THAT, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT THOUGHT OF AS, YOU KNOW, A PREREQUISITE TO DEVELOPMENT. ON THE WEST SIDE. YOU HAVE ACCESS POINTS OVER THERE. SO THAT'LL BE PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS BEGINNING THAT DEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST SIDE, BECAUSE THE EAST SIDE IS REALLY REACHING A BUILT OUT CONDITION. 
          AND THAT IS WHY WE DO INCLUDE SOME REDEVELOPMENT OF CERTAIN AREAS WHERE WE THINK IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE, BUT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GROWING AIRPORT. THE AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY GOING ON THERE HAS BEEN INCREASING SUBSTANTIALLY. BUT THERE'S YEAH, THERE'S GREAT OPPORTUNITY. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THE 
          CITY SHOULD BE VERY EXCITED ABOUT AND PROUD OF. >> SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS ALMOST ENTIRELY ABOUT GOING AFTER OPPORTUNITIES AND LESS ABOUT. OR THERE'S VERY LITTLE, IF ANY REALLY, THAT'S ADDRESSING ANY ISSUES EXCEPT MAYBE SOME SMALL LIKE UPGRADES 
          OR. >> YEAH, YOU KNOW, A BIG PART OF WHAT WE DO IN THIS IS MAKE SURE THE AIRPORT IS MEETING FAA DESIGN STANDARDS FOR AIRPORTS, AND THAT IS A BIG COMPONENT OF THIS. AND LIKE I SAID, WE DO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDED IN THE PLAN TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT WE DON'T IDENTIFY ANY MAJOR SAFETY ISSUES. FOR EXAMPLE, THE AIRPORT'S IN REALLY GOOD CONDITION, BEEN KEPT IN GOOD CONDITION. AND AND THIS IS SIMPLY SOME 
          ENHANCEMENTS TO THAT THAT WILL HELP CERTAIN THINGS OVER TIME. >> SURE. I APPRECIATE ALL THE THOUGHT AND TIME AND PLANNING THAT'S GONE INTO THIS. YOU KNOW, IF THE DEMAND MATERIALIZES, WE HAVE A PLAN. WE'RE READY TO GO IF IF THE NEED PRESENTS ITSELF. I REALLY ONLY HAD ONE QUESTION. 
          SO WE HAVE TWO RUNWAYS RIGHT NOW. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND CORRECT ME IF THIS IS WRONG, ONE CAN HANDLE HEAVIER AIRCRAFT THAN THE OTHER. THAT'S CORRECT. WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT OR DISCUSSION ABOUT MAKING THEM BOTH WHERE THEY CAN BOTH HANDLE THE HEAVIER TYPE? 
          >> YEAH, NO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AND WE CERTAINLY THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT AS A PARALLEL RUNWAY AT A GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT. WE HAVE TO APPLY DIFFERENT DESIGN STANDARDS TO BOTH RUNWAYS BASED UPON HOW THEY'RE USED. AND BASICALLY HOW THAT RUNWAY IS USED TODAY IS USED PRIMARILY BY SOME SMALLER GENERAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT. AND THE FAA WILL TYPICALLY ONLY FUND MAINTAINING A RUNWAY UP TO A CERTAIN DESIGN STANDARD. SO YOUR PRIMARY RUNWAY IS GOING TO MEET THE HIGHEST NEEDS OF THE OF THE BIGGEST AND HEAVIEST USERS OF YOUR AIRPORT, YOUR PARALLEL SECONDARY RUNWAY THAT'S MEANT TO BE USED BY SOME OF THE SMALLER AIRCRAFT. AND THAT'S HOW WE PLAN FOR THAT. I TALKED ABOUT EXTENDING THE RUNWAY SO THAT IT CAN BE USED BY SOME, YOU KNOW, MORE FREQUENTLY BY SOME SMALL MID-SIZE BUSINESS JETS. BUT WE BUT WE CANNOT PLAN FOR THAT, OR WE DON'T HAVE THE JUSTIFICATION TO PLAN THAT PARALLEL RUNWAY TO MEET THE SAME EXACT DESIGN STANDARDS AS YOUR PRIMARY RUNWAY. IT WILL CONTINUE IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE TO BE USED PRIMARILY BY SMALLER GA AIRCRAFT. AND THAT'S 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'VE PLANNED FOR. >> OKAY. SO IT'S MOSTLY A BASED ON THE EXTERNAL FUNDING, WE 
          WOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT KIND OF THE PRIMARY BEHIND THAT. >> YEAH. YOU COULD FUND IT YOURSELF TO IMPROVE THAT IF YOU WANTED. BUT IN TERMS OF HOW WE CAN JUSTIFY AND GET FEDERAL SUPPORT, WE WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. AND THE FAA WOULD ONLY SUPPORT FUNDING ONE RUNWAY 
          AT THIS AIRPORT TO THAT HIGHER DESIGN STANDARD. >> OKAY. AND THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION ASSOCIATED WITH THE LAST QUESTION. WHAT DO WE DO WHEN WE'RE RENOVATING OR REPAVING OR OTHERWISE REPAIRING THE MAIN RUNWAY? DO THE AIRCRAFT GO SOMEWHERE ELSE? HOW 
          DOES. >> THAT IDEALLY NOT. NO. IDEALLY YOU WOULD. YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON ON WHAT KIND OF RECONSTRUCTION OR REHAB WORK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. A LOT OF TIMES THAT WORK CAN BE PHASED SO THAT A PORTION OF THE RUNWAY MIGHT BE ABLE TO REMAIN OPEN SO 
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THAT WE'RE NOT DISPLACING ACTIVITY OR, YOU KNOW, YOU PUSH SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC TO YOUR PARALLEL RUNWAY TEMPORARILY. THAT CERTAINLY CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED AS WELL. YOU KNOW, WE'VE WORKED AT AIRPORTS WHERE THEY'RE DOING FULL DEPTH RECONSTRUCTION ON, ON A MAIN RUNWAY AND HAVING VERY SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ABOUT LOSING TRAFFIC. AND THAT CAN BE VERY CHALLENGING. BUT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A PARALLEL RUNWAY THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE A LOT OF THAT TRAFFIC. SO ANY DISRUPTION TO OPERATIONS WOULD HOPEFULLY BE PRETTY MINIMAL IN 
          THAT SCENARIO. >> SO WE'RE NOT GETTING THOSE BIG AIRCRAFT QUITE AS MUCH. 
          >> WELL YOU ARE. AND ON A TEMPORARY BASIS THEY COULD THEY COULD SOME OF THEM COULD OPERATE ON YOUR PARALLEL RUNWAY. YOU MIGHT GET A FEW THAT WOULD GO ELSEWHERE TEMPORARILY. BUT BUT I THINK MOST OF THOSE AIRCRAFT COULD USE THE PARALLEL RUNWAY ON OCCASION TO. OH YEAH 
          I'LL BE BRIEF. >> WE ACTUALLY DID THIS TWO SUMMERS AGO. WE HAD A FULL DEPTH RECONSTRUCTION OF OUR MAIN RUNWAY, AND WE WERE FORTUNATE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE IT EARLY ENOUGH THAT AIRCRAFT THAT JUST COULD NOT FUNCTION ON THE PARALLEL RUNWAY, THEY MADE OTHER PLANS DURING THAT 40 DAY PERIOD WHERE WE WERE SHUT DOWN. BUT MOST OF OUR AIRCRAFT, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY 90 TO 95%, COULD FUNCTION FOR THAT SHORT TIME ON OUR PARALLEL RUNWAY. GOING BACK TO WHAT ERIC SAID ABOUT US HAVING LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES, NOT ALL AIRPORTS HAVE A SECOND RUNWAY. WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE ONE. 
          >> THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 
          REPRESENTATIVE FROM ONE AND THEN SIX. >> I SEE THAT YOU HAVE THE GREEN AS YOUR SHORT TERM PROJECTS. CORRECT. AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST WHAT IS THAT? I 
          KNOW IT'S NOT A RUNWAY. IS THAT A SIDEWALK. >> IS THAT. 
          >> WHAT IS THAT? >> THAT IS A VERY WIDE SIDEWALK. IT'S A PARALLEL TAXIWAY. 
          >> OH, A PARALLEL TAXIWAY. >> YEAH. >> THAT'S TO GET TO THE RUNWAY. 
          >> YEAH. THAT'S ALL. >> YEAH. OKAY. >> IT'S A REHAB PROJECT FOR 
          SOME TAXIWAY PAVEMENT. >> OKAY, OKAY. AND SO WHEN WE TALK SHORT TERM, WHAT IS SHORT 
          TERM. THE DATE THAT SHORT TERM STARTS. >> SO THE SHORT TERM PROJECTS 
          RUN THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2030 OKAY. >> AND THEN I'M RECOGNIZING THAT MOST OF THE INTERMEDIATE ARE THOSE HANGARS. WHAT ARE WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE WHAT'S 
          THAT AGAIN. >> SO A LOT OF THE BLUE IS TAXI LANE PAVEMENT OR APRON PAVEMENT ON THAT EAST SIDE TO SUPPORT NEW HANGAR DEVELOPMENT HANGARS. AND THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE HANGARS ARE NOT TYPICALLY ELIGIBLE FOR FEDERAL FUNDING. SO YOU CAN'T USE FEDERAL DOLLARS ON PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO GENERATE REVENUE FOR THE AIRPORT. BUT YOU CAN USE THAT MONEY TO BUILD UP THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ALLOW FOR NEW HANGARS. SO WE DO NOT SHOW HANGARS AS BEING PART OF THE PROGRAM. AND THOSE ARE LARGELY GOING TO BE FUNDED BY PRIVATE DEVELOPERS TYPICALLY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR. SO MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE, THERE ARE SOME APRON EXPANSIONS AND NEW TAX CEILINGS TO SUPPORT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE GOING IN. 
          >> FOR THE AREA. OVER NEAR 288, THE ANTICIPATION OF 288. 288 CAN COME IN AND COME THROUGH WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF WHAT'S IN THE RED THERE. CAN THE RED COME IN WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF 
          288? >> YES WE WOULD, YES. THAT IS OUR PLAN IS IF 288 DOES NOT HAPPEN, YOU STILL HAVE SURFACE ROADS IN THAT AREA THAT CAN BE AT THE VERY LEAST IMPROVED. 
          THAT WOULD SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT ON THAT WEST SIDE. YOU MAY NOT YOU KNOW, WE SHOW A GENERAL AVIATION TERMINAL FACILITY AND SOME LARGE SCALE, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURES TO SUPPORT SOME LARGER AVIATION RELATED BUSINESSES. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT MAY NOT OCCUR UNTIL YOU GET TO 88, BUT BUT CERTAINLY SOME OF THE SMALLER HANGARS, EXECUTIVE HANGARS, THINGS LIKE 
          THAT ABSOLUTELY COULD HAPPEN WITHOUT 288. >> THE ALL OF THAT THAT THE THE LONG TERM PROJECTS CAN THOSE LONG TERM PROJECTS BECOME PART OF AN INTERMEDIATE TERM PROJECT? 
          >> YES, EXACTLY. AND THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT. AND RYAN WILL WORK CLOSELY WITH TXDOT AND THE FAA ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO REFLECT THE CURRENT CONDITIONS AND DEMANDS OF THE AIRPORT. AND SO THAT WILL ABSOLUTELY REQUIRE MOVING SOME PROJECTS UP IN THE PROGRAM OR MOVING SOME PROJECTS BACK IN THE PROGRAM. THAT IS, THE WHOLE POINT IS TO BE ABLE TO SHUFFLE THINGS AROUND AS NEEDED TO, TO RESPOND TO THE DEMANDS ON THE AIRPORT. 
          >> AND WHAT'S YOUR GUESSTIMATE OF HOW THE WAS THAT REPORT? IS THAT WHAT. THE REPORT SAY IT 
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AGAIN. VERTIPORT VERTIPORT THAT THAT'S PART OF THE LONG TERM PROJECTS. 
          >> IT IS. AND THAT'S AND WE PUT IT IN THE LONG TERM, JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW THIS MARKET IS GOING TO DEVELOP. IT COULD ABSOLUTELY MOVE UP. I KNOW THE CITY AND THE AIRPORT IS WORKING WITH UNT ON. THEY'RE DOING KIND OF A SEPARATE ECONOMIC STUDY ON, ON A VERTIPORT. AND WE MIGHT SEE THAT IT EXPANDS MUCH FASTER THAT WE ANTICIPATE THAN, THAN WE ANTICIPATE. AND THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY FINE, BECAUSE YOU COULD MOVE THAT PROJECT UP IN YOUR PROGRAM AND GET IT DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. LIKE I SAID, THAT'S NOT A PROJECT THAT WE FEEL IS DEPENDENT UPON 288 THAT'S GOING TO BE STRICTLY BASED UPON THE DEMAND OF THAT MARKET, AND WE MIGHT SEE IT BOOM MUCH FASTER THAN WE REALLY THINK. YOU KNOW, NO ONE CAN REALLY SAY AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY OUT IN THE MARKET ACTUALLY DOING THE DOING THIS YET. BUT HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT YEAR. AND JOBY IS A NAME THAT IS SUPPOSED TO START CONDUCTING THIS SERVICE SOMETIME OVER THE NEXT YEAR. BUT THERE'S OTHER PLAYERS TOO LOOKING TO DO THIS, SO WE JUST KIND OF HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          SIX. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I CERTAINLY WANT TO RECOGNIZE EVERYONE THAT PARTICIPATED, WHICH THERE WERE A LOT. AND SO IN MY QUESTION WAS ANSWERED 
          THANKS TO COUNCILPERSON BIRD. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. THEN TO THANK YOU, ERIC. 
          >> WHEN YOU SAY VERTIPORT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AIR TAXIS OR DRONES OR ALL OF THE ABOVE. 
          >> YEAH. SO SO AT THIS POINT IT'S ANTICIPATED TO BE VERTICAL TAKEOFF AND LANDING VEHICLES. 
          INITIALLY IT'LL BE THEY'LL BE PILOTED. BUT EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THE WAY WE UNDERSTAND IT AND THE WAY THE TREND WOULD BE TO EVENTUALLY GO TO PILOTLESS, IN WHICH CASE YOU COULD USE THE TERM DRONE FOR THAT BECAUSE THEY'LL BE REMOTELY PILOTED TRANSPORTING PASSENGERS OR CARGO THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND I MENTIONED THAT THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BE STARTED IN LARGE METROPOLITAN AREAS, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON PLACES WHERE THEY WANT TO TRY AND CUT DOWN ON, YOU KNOW, SURFACE ROADWAY CONGESTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE SOME OF THAT HERE, SO IT MIGHT BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR FOR DENTON TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND TRANSPORT PEOPLE VERTICALLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AS OPPOSED TO CONGESTING UP THE HIGHWAYS AND THINGS. BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE. AND THESE WOULD BE THE VERTIPORT WOULD BE A PLACE FOR THOSE VEHICLES TO TAKE OFF AND LAND, AND THEN ALSO PARK AND RECHARGE FROM ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS. 
          AND HONESTLY, THE CHARGING IS GOING TO BE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IF IT DOES END UP BEING ELECTRIC, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME OUT THERE THAT ARE GOING TO TRY AND OPERATE ON HYDROGEN FUELS. BUT, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THAT CHARGING CAPABILITY TO YOUR AIRPORT, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT NEEDING UPWARDS OF ONE MEGAWATT PER CHARGING STATION, WHICH IS A LOT OF POWER TO BE PROVIDED. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT IN THE REPORT IS THAT WEST SIDE AREA, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD LOOK AT DOING THINGS LIKE SOLAR FARMS AND THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF ON ON SITE POWER GENERATION. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ALL OF WHAT YOU WOULD NEED, BUT YOU'D BE ABLE TO OFFSET SOMEWHAT. BUT YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 
          VERTIPORTS. >> I APPRECIATE YOU TOUCHING ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THOSE COSTS. ALSO BE BE REIMBURSED AT 90%. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. CHARGING STATIONS, YOU KNOW, TO 
          TIE INTO OUR DME SYSTEM FOR. >> AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT AWARE THAT THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE. 
          BUT AS THIS MARKET UNFOLDS, THE FAA WILL NEED TO RESPOND AND REACT TO THAT, AND IT POTENTIALLY COULD BECOME ELIGIBLE. AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT AWARE. I DON'T BELIEVE IT 
          WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR FEDERAL FUNDING. >> FAIR ENOUGH. I JUST GOT A COUPLE MORE NOW. I'LL BE DONE IF YOU GO TO THE AIRPORT NOW. THERE SEEM TO BE QUITE A NUMBER OF AIRCRAFT THAT ARE MAINTAINED OUTSIDE. I KNOW WE HAVE INCREASED HANGAR SPACE COMING. 
          IS THAT MEANT TO PROVIDE SPACE FOR MORE AIRCRAFT, OR WOULD WE STILL OR WE WOULD BE MOVING 
          AIRCRAFT THAT ARE CURRENTLY HOUSED OUTSIDE INDOORS. >> SO YEAH. GREAT. GREAT QUESTION. SOME OF THE NEW HANGAR FACILITIES PLANNED, ESPECIALLY OVER ON THE EAST SIDE WOULD EASTSIDE. YES. YEAH. WOULD BE FOR ACCOMMODATING SOME OF THE EXISTING BASED AIRCRAFT ON THE AIRPORT AS WELL AS BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE DOING MAINTENANCE WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE CALL THOSE MAINTENANCE REPAIR OVERHAUL OPERATORS OR SPECIALTY OPERATORS. CERTAINLY SOME OF THE THE PLANNED AREAS ON THAT EAST SIDE WOULD ACCOMMODATE 
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THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS AND GIVE MORE CAPACITY FOR THOSE AIRCRAFT THAT YOU SEE TO BE IN 
          A HANGAR AS OPPOSED TO BEING ON THE APRON. >> SO WHAT WE SEE NOW IS NOT ATYPICAL, AND WE SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE THAT GOING FORWARD. WE'LL STILL SEE A NUMBER OF 
          AIRCRAFT MAINTAINED OUTSIDE ON THE APRONS. >> WELL, THAT'S I MIGHT LET 
          RYAN TOUCH ON THAT ONE. >> WHEN YOU SAY MAINTAIN, DO YOU MEAN PARKED ON THE. OH YES. 
          THAT'S VERY COMMON FOR AIRPORTS FOR ESPECIALLY EITHER FOLKS WITH LARGE FLEETS. LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF FLIGHT SCHOOLS OR PROVIDERS WHO SIMPLY THEY DON'T MIND THEIR AIRCRAFT BEING PARKED OUTSIDE. THAT'S JUST IT'S AN OPTION NO DIFFERENT THAN SOMEONE PARKING IN THE 
          DRIVEWAY VERSUS PARKING IN A GARAGE. SO OKAY. YEAH. >> AND THAT IS VERY COMMON. 
          >> OKAY. >> AND LAST QUESTION, IT WASN'T NECESSARILY PART OF THIS, BUT I'M NOT REMEMBERING WHERE IT'S GOING TO COME. I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED IT. MARSH BRANCH ROAD IMPROVEMENTS I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT. I KNOW THAT OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 
          ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING, BUT WHEN IS THAT COMING? DO WE KNOW? >> SO MARSH BRANCH IS ACTUALLY NOT WITHIN THE AIRPORT FOOTPRINT. SO I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT ONE. YEAH. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO GET THAT TO YOU. >> YEAH WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP. 
          >> I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF IT'S PART OF A FUTURE BOND OR WHAT HOW WE'RE GOING TO. BECAUSE AT SOME POINT I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO IMPROVE. 
          MARSH. THAT'S THAT'S ALL. >> YEAH, WE'LL FIND OUT. >> THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU 
          ERIC. >> THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. 
          >> THANK YOU. MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ASKED A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. 
          COLLEAGUES, THE THE ONE I HAVE SORT OF JUST HANGING OUT THERE THAT'S LEFT IS. THE IN THIS ROLLOUT FOR THESE STAGING. ARE THERE CAN YOU ARE THERE PATH DEPENDENT PROCESSES WHERE LIKE OKAY IF WE IF WE GO THIS WAY THEN THEN THIS BUFFET OF OPTIONS ARE PRECLUDED OR ARE 
          THEY ALL MUTUALLY COMPATIBLE? >> I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE LARGELY TRY AND BUILD THIS SO IT'S MUTUALLY COMPATIBLE. YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AIR CARGO AND GENERAL AVIATION AND HOW THAT ALL MIXED TOGETHER. AND THIS AREA, THE AIR CARGO I FAILED TO MENTION IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE RIGHT IN THIS AREA. SO IN TERMS OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY, IT'S RELATIVELY SMALL. GENERAL AVIATION IS GOING TO TAKE UP THE BULK OF THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF DEVELOPABLE AREA ON THE AERONAUTICAL SIDES. AND SO NO, THERE'S REALLY NOT ANYTHING IN THERE THAT WOULD PREVENT, YOU KNOW, THIS PLAN FROM BEING IMPLEMENTED WHERE YOU'RE ACCOMMODATING ALL MANNER OF DIFFERENT GENERAL AVIATION OPERATORS. WE, LIKE I SAID, WE TRY AND ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THOSE ACTIVITIES AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU KNOW, WE TRY AND SEGREGATE THE LARGE, MORE SOPHISTICATED USERS OF THE AIRPORT FROM THE SMALLER, YOU KNOW, PISTON OPERATORS AS MUCH AS WE CAN, JUST FROM A OPERATIONAL SAFETY STANDPOINT, IT'S IT'S BENEFICIAL. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE TRIED TO KEEP TRY TO KEEP MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST SIDE CATERED TOWARDS THOSE LARGER USERS AND THE WEST SIDE MORE TOWARDS THE SMALLER USERS. SO IN THAT REGARD, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS YOU'RE THINKING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, AS DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES COME UP WHERE ON THE AIRPORT, IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THIS MASTER PLAN, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND ACCOMMODATE ALL THOSE USERS HOWEVER THEY COME ABOUT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS. IT'S REALLY HARD TO PREDICT BECAUSE YOU COULD GET A REQUEST FOR AN AIRCRAFT MANUFACTURING PLANT OR SOMETHING ON THE AIRPORT, YOU KNOW, A PRETTY LARGE SCALE KIND OF ACTIVITY. AND WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, RESERVE, WE'VE RESERVED AREA ON THAT WEST SIDE IN FOR THAT KIND OF CONDITION. IF YOU DO HAVE A USER WHO NEEDS A LARGE PLOT OF LAND, YOU HAVE THAT CAPABILITY. AND THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOUR YOUR SITUATION AFFORDS. YOU HAVE THE LAND FOR ANY REALLY ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT MIGHT COME ALONG. YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE EXPLORED THE COMMERCIAL PASSENGER SERVICE AVENUE. THAT WOULD HAVE KIND OF CHANGED THE GAME IF WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS A VIABLE OPTION IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU COULD DO, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO MAKE HARDER CHOICES IN THAT CASE, BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE RESERVING MUCH LARGER AREAS OF LAND FOR PASSENGER TERMINAL FACILITY AND ALL THE AIRPORT TERMINAL SERVICES TO GO ALONG WITH THAT. SINCE WE'RE FOCUSED ON GENERAL AVIATION AND THE POSSIBILITY FOR AIR CARGO, YOU HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH CAPACITY TO HANDLE THE GROWTH THAT WOULD COME ALONG WITH THAT, INCLUDING SOME SOME LARGE SCALE OPERATORS, IF THAT SHOULD HAPPEN. SO I DON'T SEE ANY CONFLICTS IN TERMS OF HOW YOU MIGHT DEVELOP OVER TIME. 
          >> SO GENERALLY, NONE NONE OF OUR STAGING IS MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, WHERE IF FOR SOME REASON, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY CONDITIONS WILL CHANGE AND WE WILL HAVE DIFFERENT COUNCILS WITH DIFFERENT VIEWS AND EVERYTHING, SO WE MIGHT DRIFT IN DIFFERENT WAY IN THE COMMERCIAL MARKET. BUT BUT IN GENERAL FOR THIS MASTER PLAN, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NO MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE PIECES. WE COULD DO IT ALL IF MAGICALLY WE HAD THE FUNDING AND THE WILL TO 
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          DO. >> RIGHT. >> YES. ALL RIGHT, I APPRECIATE 
          THAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, SIR. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          FOUR. THANK YOU. >> ARE ARE. >> WE BUILT OUT NORTH AND SOUTH? 
          >> YOU ARE PRETTY. YEAH. SO THE CREEKS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE RUNWAY CREATE SOME PROBLEMS IN TERMS OF IF YOU WANTED TO EXTEND THE PRIMARY RUNWAY, THOSE CREATE SOME ISSUES AND YOU HAVE SAFETY AREAS OFF OF EACH END OF THE RUNWAYS THAT YOU ARE MEANT TO BE KEEP CLEARED, MEANT TO BE CLEARED. SO YOU CAN'T REALLY DO MUCH IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT NORTH AND SOUTH. ARE YOU TALKING BEYOND THE AIRPORT PROPERTY BOUNDARY. 
          >> TO EXTEND THE RUNWAY FURTHER? >> YEAH. YEAH. >> SO YOU. 
          >> CAN'T I MEAN, MONEY AND ENGINEERING CAN DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS, BUT THE THE CREEKS ARE YOUR LIMITING FACTOR THERE. WE DON'T. YEAH. AND THE CREEKS WE SHOW THEM HERE. YOU KNOW WE EXPLORED THAT WE HAD SOME ALTERNATIVES THAT SHOWED EXTENSIONS TO THE RUNWAY. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PRETTY EXTENSIVELY WITH OUR COMMITTEE AND, AND ULTIMATELY DETERMINED THAT THE LENGTH OF THE RUNWAY RIGHT NOW CAN VERY MUCH SERVE THE FLEET OF AIRCRAFT THAT IS USING THE AIRPORT NOW AND INTO THE FUTURE. SO THE BENEFIT YOU WOULD GET FROM EXTENDING IS NOT AS MUCH AS AS WHAT IT WOULD COST IN TERMS OF HAVING TO TOUCH THOSE CREEKS AND THE FLOODPLAINS ALONG WITH THAT. SO SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE DECISION THOUGHT PROCESS AS WE WENT THROUGH THAT, THE BENEFIT JUST WAS NOT THERE IN TERMS OF THE COST TO HAVE TO TOUCH THOSE 
          CREEKS. >> PERFECT. THANK YOU. YEAH. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS 
          FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. >> I WANTED TO MARK ME DOWN FOR APPROVAL. TO MOVE FORWARD. ARE WE DOING THAT AT THIS TIME? WHAT ARE WE DOING? 
          >> MY APOLOGIES. WE ARE SEEKING DIRECTION TO BRING THIS BACK FOR COUNCIL APPROVAL AT AN 
          UPCOMING COUNCIL MEETING. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY? YEP. 
          OKAY. GOT IT, GOT IT. SO I JUST WANT TO. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TODAY. BUT IF I COULD HAVE IT THIS WEEK BECAUSE I DO GET EMAILS PERIODICALLY ON PROJECTS. AND SO IN THE QUESTIONS HERE THAT I SUBMITTED, IT SAYS ALL DEVELOPMENT OR PROPOSAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT WERE PRESENTED DECLINED OR NOT ACCEPTED. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE ANSWERS, IT SAYS IN SUMMARY, WE GET A LOT OF PROPOSALS AND AND THEN THEY LIST THE TWO. I THINK I WAS BROAD ENOUGH TO SAY, YEAH, I'M INTERESTED IN THOSE TWO MORE THAN THE TWO. AND SO IF WE COULD ADJUST THAT AND SEND ME THAT INFORMATION FOR ME TO REVIEW IT, I'D GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT. I WANT TO KNOW ALL MEANING, ALL DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WERE PRESENTED AND DECLINED. SO IF WE CAN GET THAT THIS WEEK, TO ME, I'D GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THEN I WAS REDIRECTED TO THE THE. INDEX HERE ONLINE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT NOT LISTED IS FOR EXAMPLE, EMMA'S BED 300 BY 150. NOW I LOOKED IT UP ON THE INTERNET. I GOT IT. BUT I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU ASK US TO SEND IN THE QUESTIONS AND. I, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT IT GOT A THOROUGH. I'LL LEAVE IT ANYWAY. THAT'S IT. HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE METHODOLOGY ON THE. YOU'VE IDENTIFIED THESE ULTIMATE HANGERS. SO IF YOU GO TO I DON'T LET ME SEE I CAN TELL YOU WHAT SLIDE IT IS. SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT WELL BEFORE I GO THERE CAN YOU ORIENT ME. 
          SO THIS THIS IS DESIGNED TO TALK ABOUT FUTURE AVIATION. AND SO I'M VERY INTERESTED IN FUTURE AVIATION MEANING UNT FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL ETC. NOT GOING DOWN THE LINES. IF WE CAN WRESTLE THAT AWAY HERE. SURE. WHAT. WHERE DOES THAT FALL IN THIS REPORT. 
          >> SO, YOU KNOW, CHARTER OPERATIONS WOULD FALL UNDER WHAT'S CALLED A PART 135 OR. 
          YEAH, PART 135 AIR TAXI TYPE OF OPERATION. AND SO ANY TIME YOU HAVE COLLEGE ATHLETICS TRANSPORTATION, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE OPERATING UNDER PART 135. AND WE DO ACCOUNT FOR THOSE OPERATIONS IN OUR FORECASTS. IT IS A SMALLER NUMBER RELATIVE TO JUST THE OTHER ACTIVITIES GOING ON IN THE AIRPORT. AND YOU CERTAINLY ACCOMMODATE A GOOD NUMBER OF 
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CHARTER OPERATIONS AT THE AIRPORT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. SO YOU CAN CERTAINLY ACCOMMODATE ACCOMMODATE THAT INTO THE FUTURE. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THE QUESTION KIND OF GETTING INTO PART 139 CERTIFICATION AND AND WHETHER YOU CAN HANDLE FOOTBALL 
          CHARTERS AND SOME OF THE LARGER CHARTER OPERATIONS OR. >> YEAH. MOREOVER, IS THAT A BUSINESS THAT THAT YOUR REPORTS SHOULD SUPPORTS THAT WE GO AFTER ONE. WHAT WHERE IS THAT INTERMEDIATE. WHAT CHANGES NEED TO BE REQUIRED TO TO ACHIEVE THAT TOO. 
          >> SO, SO THE CHARTER ACTIVITY GOING ON AT THE AIRPORT NOW OBVIOUSLY CAN CONTINUE. WE 
          DON'T. >> SPECIFIC TO THE TEAM'S. >> SPECIFIC TO THE TEAMS. SO YOU CAN HANDLE FOOTBALL TEAMS OR I'M SORRY THE BASKETBALL TEAMS SMALLER GROUPS OF PEOPLE YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CURRENTLY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ACCOMMODATE THAT TRAFFIC. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING IN CHARTERS FOR FOOTBALL TEAMS, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE OPERATING OUT OF, YOU KNOW, BIGGER AIRCRAFT ON AN UNSCHEDULED BASIS. THAT IS WHERE WE WOULD GET INTO DISCUSSING THE POSSIBILITY OF BECOMING A PART 139 CERTIFICATED AIRPORT, WHERE YOU CAN HANDLE UNSCHEDULED OPERATIONS BY LARGER AIRCRAFT WITH MORE THAN 30 PASSENGER SEATS. AND SO WHEN YOU GET INTO THAT REALM, THEN YOU'RE TALKING GOING DOWN THE 139 PATH OF CERTIFICATION. YOU HAVE A PRETTY EXTENSIVE PROCEDURE TO GO THROUGH TO GET FAA APPROVAL OF THAT. AND EVEN IF YOU WANT TO SEEK PART 139 CERTIFICATION, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THE FAA WILL GRANT IT. THEY MIGHT SAY, WELL, THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER 139 AIRPORTS IN THE AREA. WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE OPERATIONS GO TO THOSE AIRPORTS, BECAUSE THE FAA WOULD HAVE TO BROADEN THEIR SERVICES AND WHAT THE SERVICES OFFER TO YOUR AIRPORT AS A RESULT. BUT IF YOU WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING 139 CERTIFICATION, THAT WOULD INCREASE THE THE EXPENSES IN TERMS OF YOUR AIRCRAFT RESCUE AND FIREFIGHTING REQUIREMENTS AND SOME OF THE CAPABILITIES OF THE AIRFIELD WOULD HAVE TO BE IMPROVED TO MEET THOSE HIGHER STANDARDS. WE BASED IN OUR ANALYSIS, WE DETERMINED, WAS THAT YOU CAN CONTINUE TO ACCOMMODATE A LARGE SCALE OF CHARTER OPERATIONS WITH THE EXISTING FACILITY AS IS. WE DO NOT RECOMMEND PURSUING 139 CERTIFICATION. THERE'S A LOT OF EXPENSE INVOLVED IN THAT WITH VERY LITTLE BENEFIT. YOU MIGHT GET A HANDFUL OF FOOTBALL CHARTERS PER YEAR, BUT THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE YOU WOULD GENERATE OFF OF THOSE WOULD NOT COME CLOSE TO PAYING FOR ALL. EVERYTHING YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO 
          TO GO THROUGH THE 139 CERTIFICATION. >> GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY 
          MUCH. >> PROBABLY A LONG, LONG ANSWER FOR. 
          >> NO, NO, IT'S GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THAT IS OUTLINED THE ONE THE PART 139 IS OUTLINED IN OUR IN OUR ANSWER. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. YES. SO THIS IS APPROPRIATE SIDE. SO MY QUESTION IS SO WE HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL ALTERNATE HANGARS AND YELLOW. THEY'RE PLUGGED IN. WHAT'S THE IS THAT WHAT'S THE METHODOLOGY PLUGGING 
          THOSE IN. >> YEAH. SO THIS IS CONCEPTUAL. WE WANT TO IDENTIFY SOME HANGAR TYPES AND SIZES LIKE I MENTIONED THAT ARE GOING TO ACCOMMODATE THE KIND OF OUR TARGET MARKET FOR THE EAST SIDE WHICH ARE MORE SOPHISTICATED LARGER BUSINESS JETS. AND SO THAT IS LARGELY HOW WE'VE STRUCTURED SOME OF THESE HANGAR LAYOUTS. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BASED UPON OUR EXPERIENCE IN THE INDUSTRY AND A LOT OF OTHER AIRPORTS WHERE YOU HAVE NEW HANGAR DEVELOPMENTS OCCUR. WE WANT TO BE AS EFFICIENT WITH THE LAND AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GENERATE AS MUCH CAPACITY WITHIN THE SPACE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE. BUT WE ALSO WANT TO PROVIDE A VARIETY OF SIZES JUST TO SHOW THE CAPABILITIES. WHEN THIS LAND GETS DEVELOPED OR REDEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, THE PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS THAT FUND WILL THEY'RE GOING TO DESIGN THIS HOWEVER THEY NEED TO, TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THEIR CUSTOMERS. SO THIS IS CONCEPTUAL JUST TO SHOW YOU HOW IT COULD BE LAID OUT, THE ACTUAL ACTUALITY OF HOW IT GETS DEVELOPED WILL WILL PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          >> SO GREAT GREAT GREAT POINT. THANK YOU. SO THEN MY QUESTION WOULD BE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T GO INTO MY FIRST QUESTION. IF WE HAVE THIS LAYOUT AND SOMEONE COMES IN WITH A PROPOSAL THAT THIS ISN'T SAID, HEY, NO, WE HAVE ANOTHER PLAN AND IT DOESN'T MATCH YOUR 
          PROPOSAL. >> NO, THAT IT WILL NOT BE RESTRICTING IN THAT WAY. OKAY. 
          BASICALLY WHAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS RYAN AND HIS STAFF AND THE CITY STAFF WILL LOOK AT THE PROPOSAL, MAKE SURE IT ALIGNS WITH KIND OF THE THE OVERARCHING CONCEPT OF THE MASTER PLAN. BUT IF YOU KNOW, IF THEIR HANGAR IS, YOU KNOW, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SIZE OR ORIENTED IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY, THAT THAT DOES NOT RESTRICT THEM FROM DEVELOPING THAT LAND THE WAY THAT THEY WANT TO, WHAT WE'LL DO OR WHAT THE AIRPORT WILL DO 
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AFTER, THE FACT IS THEY'LL DO WHAT'S CALLED A PEN AND INK CHANGE TO THE ALP TO REFLECT 
          THE AS BUILT CONDITION OF THAT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. >> AND I ALSO JUST WANT TO ADD THAT ABOUT A YEAR AGO, COUNCIL ADOPTED A LEASING AND DEVELOPMENT POLICY FOR THE AIRPORT. SO WE WILL ALSO LOOK TO THAT POLICY TO HELP DIRECT US ON WHEN WE ACCEPT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE AIRPORT. ONE OF THE WHAT WE CALL PRINCIPLE DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA IN THAT POLICY IS THAT IT SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORMS, OR AT LEAST DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH 
          THE MASTER PLAN. SO JUST WANT TO ADD THAT IN. >> YEAH. SO SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE YELLOW IS NOT CONSIDERED PART OF THE MASTER PLAN. IT'S CONCEPTUAL THEN THAT. 
          BUT IF WE'RE AGAIN IF WE'RE USING THE MASTER PLAN AS A GUIDING LIGHT AND THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, THERE'S A CONFLICT POINT THERE IN MY MIND. RIGHT. SO I NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IN YELLOW IS FAIR GAME. OPEN UNSPECIFIED OPEN TO BE PLANNED. AND BY AND LARGE 
          FALLS WITHIN THE CONCEPT OF WE WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING HERE. >> YEAH. WHAT LARGELY WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT THESE ARE AREAS THAT ARE RESERVED FOR AERONAUTICAL USE. THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS. AND AERONAUTICAL USE, TYPICALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HANGAR DEVELOPMENT, APRON SPACES AND TAXI LANES. SO SHOWING HANGARS IN THESE AREAS IS JUST IDENTIFYING WE'RE RESERVING THESE AREAS FOR AERONAUTICAL USE. THE LAYOUTS OF THE HANGARS ARE ALWAYS GOING 
          TO CHANGE WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT ACTUALLY OCCURS. >> AND TRY TO SPEED UP. SO SO 
          WHERE WHERE IS THE NON-AERONAUTICAL USE. >> SO THAT IS FOCUSED LARGELY ON THE WEST SIDE, THESE YELLOW PARCELS. AND THAT IS WHERE WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT FRONTAGE WITH 288 TO HELP DIVERSIFY REVENUE STREAMS FOR THE AIRPORT. 
          >> SO I GUESS MY MY QUESTION WOULD BE AND THIS IS MORE OF A RYAN THING, I THOUGHT THE I THOUGHT I THOUGHT WE WERE HAVING SUCCESS AT FOOD TRUCKS OUT THERE LIKE SO IF WE'RE INCREASING THE ACTIVITY AT THE AIRPORT AND YOU GOT TO DRIVE SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT MILES, 15, 20 MINUTES TO GO EAT SOMETHING, IT SEEMS LIKE WE WOULD HAVE CARVE OUT SOME USES ON THE WEST, GET IT? BUT ON THE EAST, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE. 
          >> ON THE WEST SIDE IN TERMS OF COMMERCIAL. >> YEAH. NO, I GET IT ON THE WEST AND IN THE FUTURE TO INCORPORATE THESE THINGS, BUT IT'S ALL SANDWICHED IN THERE. I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING THAT. WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT 1.3 THERE. THAT'S ORANGE. 
          >> SO THAT LITTLE AREA, THAT AREA IS RESERVED FOR A SURFACE PARKING LOT THAT IS THAT NON-AERONAUTICAL USE. GOT IT. AND THAT IS NEEDED TO SUPPORT ONE OF THE TENANTS ON THE AIRPORT, THE REST OF THE AREA, BECAUSE IT IS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GETTING TO A PRETTY CONSTRAINED STANDPOINT ON THE EAST SIDE. WE DID WANT TO RESERVE ALL THAT AREA AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FOR AERONAUTICAL USE. AND THAT'S THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT THE AIRPORT CAN MAKE A DECISION ON. THE FAA WOULD CHIME IN ON THAT AS WELL AND SAY, WE WANT AS MUCH OF THIS AREA TO BE USED FOR AERONAUTICAL PURPOSES AS POSSIBLE. WE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT UNDERSTAND ON THE WEST SIDE, WHERE YOU HAVE A LARGE GREENFIELD SPACE WITH FRONTAGE ON A ON A HIGHWAY, USING SOME OF THAT FOR NON-AERONAUTICAL. BUT IN THIS CASE, SINCE MOST OF THIS IS ACCESSIBLE TO THE AIRFIELD, THEY WANT US TO KEEP OUR FOCUS 
          ON AERONAUTICAL USES. >> AND SO I MAY BE OVERSIMPLIFYING AND JUST IGNORANT ON HOW IT WORKS. RIGHT. AND SO HELP ME OUT THOUGH. BUT EVERY AIRPORT I'VE GONE TO HAS RESTAURANTS BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE. YEAH. SO IS THAT NOT A IS THAT A NOT AVAILABLE USE. LIKE YOU CAN'T PLUG IN THAT. I MEAN IT'S A NEED CERTAINLY AS YOU GROW THAT BECOMES AN INCREASING NEED. AND IF THIS IS A PLAN FOR 2030 AGAIN WE'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE IT TODAY. I MY MY POINT REMAINS THE SAME. I, I THINK. WELL-INTENTIONED I MAY JUST BE HYPER FOCUSED ON MORE PRAGMATIC USES AND ACTUAL ON THE GROUND USES VERSUS CONCEPTUAL. I JUST YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION AND I'LL JUST I JUST IF STAFF CAN GIVE ME THE INFORMATION ON WHAT'S BEEN DECLINED AND ALL THE REQUESTS WE'VE RECEIVED, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          PUTTING A PIN IN THE FACT THAT I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING, THAT WE'VE RESERVED THIS GIANT PARKING IN THE MIDDLE. AND AND I THAT'S TO ME VERY INEFFICIENT. I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S VERY I MEAN, AND I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT THAT THAT OTHER PEOPLE DO IT, BUT JUST TO THE EAST OF THE FIRE STATION TO PUT A TO HANGAR RIGHT THERE. THAT SEEMS WEIRD TO ME. LIKE, SO I JUST I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S I GET IT, IT'S CONCEPTUAL, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CONCEPTUAL LIKE ACTUAL. THIS IS ADVISED. IF SOMEONE CAME IN TOMORROW AND SAID, LET'S BUILD SOMETHING IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST OF OUR FIRE STATION AND ALL THE ACCESS COMPONENTS AND ALL THOSE THINGS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. IT MAY. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. AND SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS THAT 
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THERE'S JUST A BUNCH OF BOXES ON HERE THAT AREN'T STRATEGICALLY PLACED OR BUT THEY'RE JUST TO SAY, HEY, YES, SOMETHING COULD GO HERE. I JUST THINK IT COULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED DIFFERENTLY IN MY ESTIMATION. BUT I WON'T BELABOR THE POINT. IF IF THAT STAFF CAN GIVE ME THOSE THINGS, I'LL GO FROM THERE. AND THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. ANSWERS ON 139 VERSUS 135. APPRECIATE IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE? 
          >> REAL QUICK, SIMPLE QUESTION. IT SAYS DEVELOP NEW TOWER ON OR NEAR EXISTING SITE. IS THAT IS THAT SHORT TERM LONG TERM OR IT'S NOT A PART? I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NOT A PART OF THE 
          FINANCES. >> YEAH. >> WE HAVE THAT INCLUDED IN THE PROGRAM OKAY. IT'S A LONG TERM PROJECT OKAY. LONG TERM. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S RELATED TO YOU KNOW, THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE CONTROLLERS WAS THAT THEIR SPACE IS PRETTY CONSTRAINED. AND AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY WANT TO ADD MORE CONTROLLERS, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO NEED A LARGER SPACE. AND SO WE'VE PUT A PLACEHOLDER IN THE MASTER PLAN 
          FOR A NEW TOWER IN THAT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT SCENARIO. >> AT SOME POINT BE TALLER. 
          >> COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE FAA WOULD COME IN AND DO AN ANALYSIS OF THAT. THE FAA LARGELY LEADS THOSE TYPES OF STUDIES AND TOWER PLACEMENTS AND HEIGHT. I DON'T RECALL GETTING ANY FEEDBACK FROM CONTROLLERS THAT THE HEIGHT IS AN ISSUE. OKAY. BUT BUT THAT 
          THAT WOULD ALL BE EVALUATED AT THAT TIME. YEAH. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> SURE. >> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. >> QUICK GENERAL QUESTION. I GUESS THIS IS FOR YOU, RYAN. SO AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, WHAT'S THE LINCHPIN ON THIS? ARE THESE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO INCLUDE IN OUR CONVERSATIONS TO OUR FEDERAL REPRESENTATIVES AS, AS THINGS THAT THAT WE NEED TO GROW THE AIRPORT IN TERMS OF FUNDING. 
          >> SO RIGHT NOW YOU'LL SEE THE IN TERMS OF THE SHORT TERM PROJECTS, IT ALIGNS VERY MUCH WITH OUR CIP. THAT'S PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. AND WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO USE A LOT OF EXISTING GRANT FUNDING THAT WAS MADE AVAILABLE DURING COVID, SPECIFICALLY THE AIRPORT INFRASTRUCTURE GRANTS, TO FUND A LOT OF THE PROJECTS WE HAVE IN THE SHORT TERM, WHAT THE PROCESS IS IS THAT WE TRUTHFULLY, WE WORK WITH TEXDOT VERY CLOSELY, AND TEXDOT IS PRETTY MUCH OUR GO THROUGH TO THE FAA AND THEY PRIORITIZE PROJECTS ACCORDINGLY. A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED IN THIS REPORT, I THINK WOULD WOULD COMPETE VERY WELL AGAINST OTHER AIRPORTS ACROSS THE NATION FOR THAT FAA FUNDING. OF COURSE, WE FIND OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE WE COULD NOT GET FUNDING FOR A PROJECT THAT WE FELT WAS VERY NEEDED. OUR OPTIONS COULD INVOLVE FUNDING IT OURSELVES, WHICH NO ONE REALLY LIKES. WE COULD ALSO GO FOR DIRECT FUNDING, EITHER FROM THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND THAT MIGHT INVOLVE WORKING WITH OUR ELECTED LEADERS AT THIS POINT FOR SHORT TERM PROJECTS. WE DON'T HAVE THAT NEED, BUT THAT IS ALWAYS SOMETHING TO TO SEEK DIRECT FUNDING FOR ANY PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE WHERE WE JUST CAN'T SEEM TO GET THE FAA, FAA FUNDING TO BRING IT ACROSS THE 
          ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. YEAH. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? JUST TO ADD ONE THING, NOT A QUESTION, BUT TO ADD THIS, THE EIS TALKS ABOUT STAKEHOLDER INPUT BEING PART OF THIS. I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE IN THE HYPERLINKS THAT ON THE WEB PAGE. SO IF SOMEONE COULD SEND ME A ANY ANY STAKEHOLDER INPUT AS WELL. SO APPLICATIONS AND STAKEHOLDER INPUT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU 
          [B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the proposed early closure and alternatives work schedules pilot program.     
[Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]
VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR YOUR HARD WORK. THANK YOU RYAN. THAT TAKES US TO THAT CONCLUDES ITEM EIGHT TAKES US TO ITEM B ID 252041. RECEIVE. REPORT. HOLD DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE PROPOSED EARLY CLOSURE AND ALTERNATIVE WORK SCHEDULE. 
          PILOT PROGRAM. 
          >> GOOD AFTERNOON, AMY CATHOLIC CHIEF STRATEGIC OFFICER I'M HERE TODAY TO SHARE A PROPOSED PROPOSAL ON THE EARLY CLOSURE OF CITY FACILITIES, AS WELL AS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ALTERNATIVE WORK SCHEDULES. THIS EFFORT IS REALLY ABOUT CREATING BALANCE BY SUPPORTING EMPLOYEE WELL-BEING, WHILE CONTINUING TO PROVIDE EXCEPTIONAL SERVICES TO THE PUBLIC. IT ALSO SUPPORTS AND IS ALIGNED WITH COUNCIL'S OBJECTIVE TO ENSURE THAT DENTON IS AN EMPLOYER OF CHOICE. TO PROVIDE A BIT OF BACKGROUND, IN 2020, DURING THE COVID 19 PANDEMIC, WE LEARNED THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES ARE MORE THAN CAPABLE OF DELIVERING SERVICES WHILE WORKING REMOTELY. IN 2023, THE CITY ADOPTED A HYBRID WORK POLICY ALLOWING FOR UP TO TWO DAYS OF REMOTE WORK PER WEEK. THIS WAS A BIG STEP TOWARDS CONTINUED FLEXIBILITY AS WE RETURN TO WORKING IN THE OFFICE. FEEDBACK IN THE 2024 EMPLOYEE SURVEY MADE THE CASE 
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FOR FURTHER CHANGE. WHILE EMPLOYEES INDICATED THAT WORK LIFE BALANCE IS ONE OF THEIR KEY SATISFACTIONS WITH DENTON AS AN EMPLOYER, THEY ALSO INDICATED THAT THEY WANTED MORE ALTERNATIVE WORK SCHEDULES AT THE AUGUST BUDGET WORKSHOP. YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE SHARED ITS VISION OF A FOUR AND A HALF DAY WORKWEEK PILOT. AFTER THE DISCUSSION, A COMMITTEE OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION WAS FORMED TO EXAMINE THE OPERATIONAL IMPACTS OF SUCH A PILOT, AS WELL AS ANALYZE RELEVANT DATA. FROM THIS, WE DEVELOPED A PROPOSAL THAT REALLY DOES GO BEYOND THAT INITIAL VISION FOR A FOUR AND A HALF DAY WORKWEEK, TO ONE THAT BALANCES OPERATIONAL NEEDS WITH EMPLOYEE WELL-BEING. SO THIS PROPOSAL, OUTLINING A STANDARDIZED APPROACH TO ALTERNATIVE SCHEDULES WHILE PROVIDING CLEAR GUIDANCE AND PRESERVING FLEXIBILITY FOR DIRECTORS IN MEETING THEIR OPERATIONAL NEEDS, WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER LAST MONTH. SO THIS IS THE MAKEUP OF THAT CROSS-FUNCTIONAL TEAM THAT I MENTIONED. FROM THIS GROUP, WE FORMED FOUR SUBCOMMITTEES WITH A FOCUS ON POLICY, SERVICE DELIVERY, OPERATIONS AND COMMUNICATIONS. SUBCOMMITTEES EVALUATED RELEVANT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, ASSESSED INTERNAL IMPACTS, AND GATHERED INPUT FROM DIRECTORS IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND CURRENT PRACTICES ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION. THEY SURVEYED OTHER CITIES WITH ALTERNATIVE WORK SCHEDULES AND DIFFERING PUBLIC FACING HOURS, AND THEN DRAFTED A COMPREHENSIVE INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION PLAN. SO UNDER THE PROPOSED PILOT, PUBLIC FACING HOURS WOULD BE REDUCED FROM 45 TO 40 PER WEEK. 
          YOU'LL SEE HERE A LIST OF OFFICES THAT ARE SCHEDULED THEN TO CLOSE AS PART OF THIS PILOT AT NOON ON FRIDAYS. THIS WILL GIVE EMPLOYEES DEDICATED TIME FOR STRATEGIC WORK, TRAINING AND COLLABORATION BY CREATING TIME FOR PLANNING AND PROBLEM SOLVING, OR JUST PROVIDING TIME TO DO UNINTERRUPTED WORK WORK, WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN DELIVER A BETTER EXPERIENCE FOR THE COMMUNITY WHILE SUPPORTING OUR EMPLOYEES. WE'VE ALSO SHARED WITH YOU A LIST OF FACILITIES THAT ARE NOT SET TO BE CLOSED EARLY ON FRIDAYS, HOWEVER, DIRECTORS WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER ALTERNATIVE SCHEDULES FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES AS OPERATIONS ALLOW. 
          SO, ALONG WITH THE SHIFT IN PUBLIC HOURS, WE'LL BE PILOTING A STANDARDIZED APPROACH TO ALTERNATIVE WORK SCHEDULES. THIS PROVIDES CONSISTENCY WHILE AGAIN GIVING DIRECTORS THE FLEXIBILITY TO MANAGE THEIR OPERATIONS BASED ON SERVICE OPTIONS FOR COMPRESSED WORK WEEKS, WHICH WILL PROVIDE GREATER DETAIL ON THE NEXT SLIDE, AS WELL AS STAGGERED HOURS, FLEXIBLE START AND END TIMES, AND CONTINUED ACCESS TO REMOTE WORK, WHICH IS VERY POPULAR WITH OUR EMPLOYEES. TOGETHER, THESE OPTIONS OFFER FLEXIBILITY IN HOW WE WORK WHILE MAINTAINING OUR COMMITMENT TO EXCEPTIONAL SERVICES. TO SUPPORT SUCCESSFUL IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PILOT, WE'VE IDENTIFIED FOUR KEY OPERATIONAL DRIVERS THAT WE WANT DIRECTORS TO CONSIDER IN DETERMINING ELIGIBILITY AND APPLYING THESE SCHEDULES WITHIN THEIR WORK GROUPS. THIS IS GOING TO BE BASED ON JOB SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS AND ENSURING THAT OPERATIONS ARE APPROPRIATELY STAFFED, THAT BUDGETS ARE NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACTED, AND THAT EMPLOYEES WELL-BEING CONTINUES TO BE PRIORITIZED. SO HERE'S THAT DETAILED LIST OF OPTIONS THAT WILL BE PROVIDING DIRECTORS FOR CONSIDERATION IN HOW THEY MANAGE 40 HOUR WORK WEEKS AND FOR EXEMPT EMPLOYEES AND 80 HOUR PAY PERIOD. THIS INCLUDES THE TRADITIONAL FIVE DAY WORK WEEK FOR TEN HOUR SHIFTS, FOUR AND A HALF WORK WEEKS, FOUR AND A HALF DAY WORK WEEKS, AND THEN 980 SCHEDULES FOR EXEMPT STAFF. I WILL SAY THAT OPERATIONAL DEMANDS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO SHAPE THE SCHEDULING OPTIONS, ALWAYS SHAPE THE DECISIONS THAT OUR DIRECTORS ARE MAKING. IT'S REALLY UP TO THEM TO CHOOSE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR THEIR DEPARTMENTS, WHILE ENSURING THAT THEIR OPERATIONS REMAIN EFFECTIVE. AND THEN ONCE DEPARTMENTS SELECT THE WORK SCHEDULES THAT THEIR EMPLOYEES WILL BE ASSIGNED, IT IS EXPECTED THAT THEY REMAIN CONSISTENT FOR THE DURATION OF THE PILOT UNLESS OPERATION FACTORS DEEM OTHERWISE. SO TO PREPARE, DEPARTMENTS WILL NEED TO COMPLETE SERVICE LEVEL AGREEMENTS TO ENSURE THAT STANDARDS REMAIN CONSISTENTLY HIGH THROUGHOUT THE PILOT. 
          THEY'LL NEED TO COMPLETE NEW TELECOMMUTING AGREEMENTS FOR ALL EMPLOYEES THAT ARE APPROVED 
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FOR REMOTE WORK, AND THEY'LL NEED TO ATTEND REQUIRED TRAINING ON PROPER SCHEDULING AND TIMECARD MANAGEMENT. SO IF WE RECEIVE YOUR APPROVAL, WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN THE PILOT WITH EARLY CLOSURE STARTING FRIDAY, JANUARY THE 2ND. WE'LL THEN LAUNCH ALTERNATIVE WORK SCHEDULES WITH THE GOAL OF BEING FULLY IMPLEMENTED BY MARCH 1ST. TO PREPARE THE COMMUNITY, WE WILL IMPLEMENT THE COMMUNICATION PLAN THAT WE'VE CREATED TO ENSURE THAT THE PUBLIC IS INFORMED AND THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO ACCESS INFORMATION AND SERVICES ON FRIDAY AFTERNOONS, WHEN OFFICES ARE CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC, WE ARE PREPARED TO LAUNCH THAT COMMUNICATION AS EARLY TODAY. BASED ON THE DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVE, AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO UPDATE OUR EMPLOYEES THROUGH EMPLOYEE FORUMS, AND THEN WE WILL BE HOLDING INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTAL INFORMATION MEETINGS AS WE MOVE INTO IMPLEMENTING ALTERNATIVE WORK SCHEDULES. SO THROUGHOUT THE PILOT, WE'RE GOING TO BE MONITORING AND EVALUATING QUANTITATIVE AND QUALITATIVE DATA AROUND RECRUITMENT RETENTION, SERVICE PERFORMANCE. 
          WE'RE ALSO GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET FEEDBACK FROM BOTH THE COMMUNITY AND OUR EMPLOYEES. AT THE END, WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW ALL THIS DATA TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS PILOT WAS SUCCESSFUL. AND THEN WE PLAN ON BRINGING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY MANAGER AND TO COUNCIL IN APRIL OF 2027. OUR GOAL IS TO BUILD A SUSTAINABLE, FLEXIBLE MODEL THAT SUPPORTS EMPLOYEE WELL-BEING WHILE MAINTAINING STRONG SERVICE DELIVERY. AND WITH THAT, 
          QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF 
          REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX THEN TWO. >> HIGH COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY THERE'S NO BUILT IN CHECK IN FOR A YEAR. IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE HAVING A SIX MONTH DIRECTOR CHECK IN. IS THIS WORKING FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT, IS IT NOT? WHY COMPLAINTS ET-CETERA SO THAT WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS? OR IS THERE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE ISN'T PART OF THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU ALL PLAN TO DO? 
          >> THAT'S CERTAINLY PART OF THE PROCESS TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE CHECK INS GET THOSE FEEDBACKS WILL BE DOING THE EMPLOYEE SURVEY, WILL BE DOING THE COMMUNITY SURVEY, BUT JUST 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY CONTINUAL EVALUATION OF THE PROGRAM. >> AND THEN DIRECTORS HAVE FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THEIR DEPARTMENTS IF THEY FIND THAT SOMEONE IS NOT WORKING AS WELL OR BEING AS PRODUCTIVE AT HOME TO REVOKE THAT THIS ISN'T A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION THAT WE 
          ARE PROVIDING. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          TWO. >> YEAH. THANK YOU COUNSELOR. JESTER, I HAD A SIMILAR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PERIOD OF CHECK IN, ESPECIALLY DURING A PILOT PROGRAM. SO FIRST LET ME SAY I LOVE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BE INNOVATIVE AND USE DIFFERENT MODALITIES TO TO ADDRESS PERSONNEL ISSUES. I THINK THIS IS REALLY GREAT. WE SEE THAT ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ACROSS THE WORLD WHERE WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO ADAPT NOT JUST TO THE SAME OLD, SAME OLD, BUT TRY OTHER APPROACHES. SO I REALLY I REALLY LIKE THAT IN GENERAL. I LIKED WHAT I HEARD. I ENCOURAGE YOU, I ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT. BUT I DID HAVE THE ONE PIECE THAT I WAS I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON, AND THAT IS AS PART OF SERVICE LEVEL, AS PART OF TOUCHING BASE WITH OUR COMMUNITY. SO SO LET ME JUST CONFIRM ON FRIDAY AFTERNOONS THERE WILL BE NO ENGAGEMENT AT ALL AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC EXCEPT FOR THOSE ANIMAL SERVICES AND WHATEVER IN 
          THE RIGHT HAND COLUMN. >> THEY'LL BE ONLINE SERVICE OPTIONS, BUT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COME INTO A CITY FACILITY AND RECEIVE SERVICES AFTER NOON ON FRIDAY. BUT THEY 
          WILL HAVE ONLINE AND SELF-SERVICE OPTIONS. >> OKAY, I WOULD ENGAGE THE PUBLIC ON THAT. I THERE'S I THINK THERE'S CONCERNS THAT THAT DIFFERENT. WE HAVE 164,000 PEOPLE AND THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT SCHEDULES. AND HOW THEY INTERACT WITH THE GOVERNMENT IS A LITTLE TRICKY, AS WE ALL TRY TO HERD THE CATS, AS IT WERE. WAS ANY THOUGHT GIVEN TO HAVING A FLEXIBLE HALF DAY PERIOD FOR FOR STAFF AND DIFFERENT DIVISIONS IN DIFFERENT AREAS, SO THAT WE WERE NOT HITTING ALL OF GOVERNMENT IN ONE HALF DAY 
          PERIOD? OR IS THAT NOT VIABLE? >> WE DID NOT DISCUSS ALTERING THAT HALF DAY AT DIFFERENT FACILITIES. I WILL SAY WE COLLECTED DATA AROUND CUSTOMER INTERACTIONS FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND IT IS IT IS VERY IT REALLY IS. IT IS QUITE MINIMAL. THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS, EVEN IN PHONE CALLS THAT ARE COMING IN AND PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING INTO OUR OFFICES FOR 
          SERVICE. >> I APPRECIATE THAT THAT PUTS A LOT OF COLOR ON IT. I'M GLAD THAT YOU ARE. YOU'RE ANTICIPATING THAT KIND OF QUESTION. YEAH. I THINK THIS IS REALLY GREAT. I WOULD CONCUR WITH COUNCILOR JESTER, AND I'M ASSUMING THE REST OF THE COUNCIL THAT WE DO, AND YOU SAID IT YOURSELF, WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR SERVICE LEVELS HIGH. 
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YES, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH A TRY TO DO THE AN INNOVATIVE APPROACH TO EMPLOYEE SATISFACTION. SO, YOU KNOW, JUST JUST BE MINDFUL AND DO METRICS ON OUR SERVICE LEVELS 
          AS WELL. >> ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S PART OF THE SERVICE LEVEL AGREEMENTS. 
          >> AND ONE THING WE FAILED TO MENTION, WE'VE BEEN KEEPING TABS OF PEOPLE AND ACTIVITY INTO THE CITY HALL BUILDING FROM FRIDAY AFTERNOON ON. AND THERE'S NOT I MEAN, LITERALLY, I'VE SAT AT THE DESK FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS AND NOBODY CALLS AND NOBODY COMES IN THE ONLY TIME ANYONE'S COME IN AT ALL HAS BEEN FOR AN OPEN RECORDS, AND THAT'S FAR AND FEW 
          BETWEEN ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON. >> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. 
          >> THERE'S A JOKE THAT SAYS THAT YOU CAN MAKE AN MAKE AN OLD LADY SAY AN UGLY WORD BY 
          SAYING BINGO. AND THAT'S AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK. YOU GET IT? >> I LIKE IT. KEEP GOING. 
          >> KEEP GOING. I THINK I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME RESPONSE WHEN PEOPLE REACH FOR A DOOR AT 2:00 ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON, THEY'VE GOT SOME KIND OF BUSINESS TO CONDUCT. 
          AND AND THEY FIND A LOCKED DOOR, I THINK I THINK OUR, OUR AND GOODNESS KNOWS I WANT TO I WANT TO SUPPORT OUR EMPLOYEES. BUT MORE THAN THAT, I WANT TO SUPPORT OUR CITIZENS. AND AND I THINK THIS COMPROMISE IS THAT THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE. I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS. 
          >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. >> OH MY GOD. AS I LIVE AND BREATHE, I'M. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND I THINK. YEAH. WATCH OUT. NOW WE'RE GONNA RUN COUNCIL IN A MINUTE JOE. HOWEVER, I'M WILLING TO TRY IT. I'M. I'M SKEPTICAL ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY RESPONSE IS GOING TO BE. SO I'M A I'M A TACIT YES, MAYOR. MY QUESTION IS WHAT DOES CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT LOOK LIKE? I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT INFORMATION OUT ABOUT THE CHANGES TO THE CITIZENS. WHAT IS THE FEEDBACK? HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE CONDUCTED? ARE WE DOING? AND MY HOPE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING MORE THAN A THAN A SIMPLE SURVEY, LIKE REAL TIME FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE THAT IN THE PLAN. 
          >> YES, WE HAVE MECHANISMS. I SAY REAL TIME. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS USING ZEN CITY TO GAIN THAT SENTIMENT AND USING THAT TOOL TO UNDERSTAND COMMUNITY 
          SENTIMENT AS WELL. >> I DO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE AT THE LAST, NOT THIS LAST REVIEW, BUT THE ONE BEFORE THAT. I MENTIONED TO COUNCIL THAT WE WERE WORKING ON ALTERNATIVE WORK SCHEDULES AND A SOMETHING TO BENEFIT OUR EMPLOYEES A LITTLE BIT MORE AND ASK AT THAT TIME IF COUNCIL HAD ANY CONCERNS AND I RECEIVED NONE. THIS IS SHOCKING TO ME TO HEAR SOME CONCERNS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO DID NOT VOICE THEIR CONCERN PREVIOUSLY, BECAUSE I SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT IT AND SAID, DID ANY OF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH US LOOKING AT THE ALTERNATIVE WORK SCHEDULES AND DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM? WE'RE LOOKING AT CLOSING HALF A DAY, LIKE LEWISVILLE, CARROLLTON AND OTHER CITIES DO. NO ONE SAID A WORD TO ME, NOR DID THEY BRING IT UP AT ANY OTHER TIME. SO NOW OUR STAFF HAVE GONE THROUGH HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS OF WORK AS A TEAM ACROSS THIS ORGANIZATION. I MEAN, LEVELS OF STAFF, ALL DIFFERENT LEVELS, SUPERVISORS, DIRECTORS, YOU NAME IT, TO GO THROUGH THIS EFFORT TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SCHEDULES THAT WOULD WORK FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS. SOME DEPARTMENTS WOULD NOT HAVE A CHANGE. THEY WOULD STAY OPEN FIVE DAYS A WEEK. IT'S IT'S DISAPPOINTING BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU, THE HOURS OF STAFF TIME IS ENORMOUS. HAVING GONE THROUGH THIS AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THEY COVERED ALL THEIR BASES. AND SO I HAVE TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU BECAUSE I AM 
          DISAPPOINTED. >> I, I APPRECIATE THAT. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          FIVE. >> I APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK FROM FROM THE CITY MANAGER. I WILL SPEAK FOR COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. WHEN WE SAY WE OBVIOUSLY ALWAYS APPRECIATE THE AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME THAT GOES INTO THESE THINGS, WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE CAREFULLY RESEARCHED AND VETTED AND BROUGHT TO US. NOW, I WILL SPEAK FOR MYSELF. WHEN I SAID THIS, I WASN'T AWARE THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A REDUCTION IN PUBLIC FACING HOURS. I UNDERSTOOD THAT WE WERE GOING TO CHANGE SOME OF THE EMPLOYEE HOURS. I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE REDUCTION IN PUBLIC FACING HOURS. HAVING SAID THAT, I'M WILLING TO TRY IT, BUT I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT WHEN WE DISCUSSED THAT IN YOUR REVIEW. SO I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE. LIKE I SAID, I'M JUST I'M SKEPTICAL, BUT VERY OPEN TO IT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. >> I CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE THE CITY MANAGER'S WORDS, BUT I'M NOT REAL SURE IF I APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT AS THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATED TO US. I SEE THIS AS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO SUPPORT. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT. AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE TO BE REMINDED THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE COUNCIL. 
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AND IF WE CHOOSE TO CHANGE OUR MINDS ABOUT SOMETHING, THEN THAT'S OUR PREROGATIVE TO DO THAT. CITY MANAGER, CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW HOW HIGHLY I RESPECT YOUR WORDS AND YOUR THOUGHTS, BUT I CERTAINLY DO ALSO APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING US TO, YOU KNOW, CHANGE OUR MINDS IF WE IF WE FEEL THE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO. SO I THINK THIS IS REALLY GREAT. I DID HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE THE ENTITIES THAT WORK WITH THE CITY, SUCH AS CHAMBER AND DISCOVER DENTON, YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WORK BACK AND FORTH. 
          ARE THEY ALREADY ON BOARD? HAVE THEY WE HAD ANY COMMUNICATIONS WITH THEM? I KNOW THE CHAMBER AND AND ALL OF THOSE FOLKS ARE KIND OF DEPENDENT ON COMMITTEES, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE DECISIONS AND 
          THAT AND THE LIKE. THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. CHRISTINE TAYLOR, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. 
          SO THE WE DO HAVE A CURRENT LEASE WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING. DISCOVERED CITY EMPLOYEES. SO THEY'LL MOVE TO THIS AND NOT SURE OF THEIR OFFICE SPACE FOR THE FUTURE. BUT THIS DOES NOT IMPACT THEIR SCHEDULES. THEY'LL BE ABLE TO WORK WHATEVER THEY WANT. EMPLOYEES WILL STILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE BUILDING. AND LIKE WITH UTILIZING THE BUILDING AFTER HOURS, NOW THE CHAMBER NEEDS TO USE IT. THEY'D BE RESPONSIBLE JUST FOR MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE OUT OF THE BUILDING. SO WE HAVE HAD 
          CONVERSATIONS WITH AARON. OKAY. >> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD. >> ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          >> THANK YOU. MAYOR. I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME THAT IS PUT IN TO TRYING TO MAKE DENTON A GREAT PLACE TO WORK, WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO WORK HERE AND THEY WANT TO KEEP WORKING HERE. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR CONSISTENCY OF SERVICE. IT HELPS US ATTRACT AND RETAIN BETTER EMPLOYEES. IT KEEPS OUR EXISTING EMPLOYEES HAPPIER. AND I KNOW I WORK. I WORK BETTER WHEN I'M HAPPY TO GO TO WORK. SO I DO THINK THERE'S VALUE IN, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S BETTER OUTPUT POTENTIALLY FOR CITIZENS WHEN WE HAVE GOOD STAFF AND WHEN OUR STAFF ARE HAPPY TO BE HERE. SO I DO THINK THERE'S VALUE IN THAT. I DO APPRECIATE THAT WE'VE GONE FROM AIRPORTS TO PILOTS. I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. I WAS WAITING FOR THAT. SO I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY, I'M GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF TRYING THIS OUT, COLLECTING FEEDBACK, SEEING WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE WE GET. I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE 9080 ARRANGEMENT. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF. THAT ARRANGEMENT IN MY BRAIN WAS STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT 
          THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. >> SO THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE SO AN EXEMPT AN EXEMPT STAFF MEMBER, THEY WOULD THEY WOULD WORK THERE 80 HOURS OVER NINE DAYS. SO PERHAPS PART OF THAT IS STAYING LATE FOR COUNCIL THAT THAT GOES INTO THAT 80 HOURS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO WORK DURING THAT, DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, THEY MIGHT WORK TILL 6 OR 7 P.M. WHEN THEY COME IN EARLY, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THEY'RE GETTING THAT 80 HOURS IN IN NINE DAYS. AND THEN THE THEORY THEN WOULD BE THEY WOULD HAVE FRIDAY OFF. SO LET'S SAY YOU HAVE TWO YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN AN OFFICE THAT QUALIFY FOR THIS, ONE THAT ARE USING THIS SCHEDULE. THEY MIGHT 
          ALTERNATE FRIDAYS. THAT WOULD BE HOW THAT WOULD WORK. >> OKAY. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A CONSISTENT I WORK 9 HOURS OR 10 HOURS EVERY DAY THAT I'M HERE, I MIGHT WORK A NORMAL SHIFT ONE DAY, A LONGER ONE ANOTHER DAY AND SPREAD IT OUT OVER NINE DAYS INSTEAD OF FOUR. 
          >> SO THEY'RE GETTING THEIR 80 HOURS IN THAT NINE DAY PERIOD. >> OKAY, SO YOU'D BE GETTING A 
          DAY OFF EVERY OTHER FRIDAY BASICALLY. >> IN THEORY, YES. 
          >> OKAY. HOW HAVE STAFF TRIED ALL OF THESE OPTIONS SO FAR? AND IS THERE ONE THAT PEOPLE 
          SEEM TO PREFER MORE THAN ANOTHER OR. >> SO? WE ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE IN THE ORGANIZATION THAT ARE WORKING FOR TENS THAT IS POPULAR WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS. 
          I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYONE THAT IS WORKING NINE 80S. THE TRADITIONAL OBVIOUSLY IS IS VERY POPULAR WITHIN, YOU KNOW, UP TO THE TWO DAYS REMOTE. I THINK THE FOUR AND A HALF DAY IS THE ONLY ONE I BELIEVE IN OUR SURVEY WE HAD ONE DEPARTMENT SAY THEY HAD SOMEONE THAT IS WORKING A SCHEDULE THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT. SO THERE ARE SOME DIFFERING SCHEDULES GOING ON ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION. THIS REALLY PUTS SOME POLICY AND GUIDANCE BEHIND IT AND 
          CREATES A STANDARD. >> AND IT'S LIKE A MENU PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE FROM DEPENDING ON THEIR DEPARTMENT, DEPENDING ON THEIR NEEDS, THEIR FAMILY AND ALL THAT. 
          >> FOR THOSE DIRECTORS TO DETERMINE WHAT IS BEST FOR THEIR DEPARTMENT'S OPERATIONS. 
          >> RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTION I HAVE. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF OF THE PILOT AND CONTINUING TO COLLECT FEEDBACK FROM BOTH STAFF AND OUR CITIZENS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          >> THANK YOU. AND I FAILED TO MENTION EARLIER, AS PART OF THAT SELF SERVICE, THERE IS THE 311 WHICH IS OPERATED 24 OVER SEVEN. SO THAT WILL ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE TO OUR RESIDENTS. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE. SO YOU GENERALLY HAVE ENOUGH SUPPORT? I'LL LEND MY SUPPORT TO THAT. 
          AND I'LL SAY THIS. I'VE EXPERIENCED THIS BOTH IN LEWISVILLE WHEN I SHOWED UP AFTERNOON AND EVERYONE WAS OFF, AND SO IT WAS NO BIG DEAL. I EXPERIENCED IT HERE IN DENTON. 
          I NEEDED TO DROP OFF SOMETHING AT THE AT THE LANDFILL OVERSIZE CARDBOARD BOX, AND THEY WERE 
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CLOSING AT FOUR. AND SO I CAME BACK THE NEXT DAY AND GOT IT DONE. SO PEOPLE WILL ADJUST. 
          AND I DO WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR I THINK IT'S IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE ALL THE GREAT WORK WE DO AS A CITY AND SERVICE WE PROVIDE, AND CERTAINLY PEOPLE APPRECIATE THAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYONE ELSE IN THE REGION THAT HAS A311 SYSTEM THAT HAS ALL THE OTHER, OTHER DIFFERENT ELEMENTS WE PROVIDE. AND SO WE'VE GONE WELL ABOVE WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS A BASELINE. AND THEN THIS DOESN'T AFFECT THIS. BUT ALSO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME. THERE ARE STAFF MEMBERS THAT HAVE KIDS THAT HAVE DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS, THOSE SORT OF THINGS THAT NORMALLY THEY'RE TAKING OFF AND PUTTING STRAIN ON OTHERS. THIS YOU CAN NOW HAVE PEACE OF MIND AND SCHEDULE ALL YOUR DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS ON FRIDAYS AND THAT SORT OF THING, WHICH THEN GIVES LESS INTERRUPTIONS TO THE WEEK IN THEORY. AND SO I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA. AND AND ESPECIALLY IN A YEAR WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DOING THE MERIT INCREASES AND SOME OTHER THINGS, AT LEAST TO GIVE THEM, GIVE THE STAFF SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO BENEFIT FROM WORKING HERE AT THE CITY OF DENTON IS REALLY IMPORTANT. SO AGAIN, I'M SUPPORTIVE AND THE MAJORITY IS AS WELL. SO LOOK FORWARD TO THE UPDATES. THANK 
          [C. Receive a presentation and hold a discussion regarding options for the appointment of an Interim City Manager.
    [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]
YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM C. THIS IS OUR LAST WORK SESSION AND IT'S ITEM C ID 252152158. RECEIVE A PRESENTATION HOLD DISCUSSION REGARDING OPTIONS FOR 
          APPOINTMENT ON OF AND INTERIM CITY MANAGER. >> OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR CITY COUNCIL MEGAN GILBREATH DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES TODAY WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS OPTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION REGARDING THE CITY MANAGER SUCCESSION PROCESS. AS YOU ALL KNOW, CITY MANAGER HENSLEY'S LAST DAY WITH THE ORGANIZATION IS MARCH 31ST OF 2026. 
          FOLLOWING THAT DATE, SHE WILL USE HER ACCRUED LEAVE THROUGH MAY 30TH. FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, SHE'LL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE HER REGULAR ANNUAL SALARY USING ACCRUED LEAVE AS WELL AS WILL BE WILL RECEIVE ANY OTHER PAYABLE AMOUNTS TO HER UNDER HER EXISTING EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT. NEXT, I WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON THE GENERAL TIMELINE AND COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE FULL CITY MANAGER RECRUITMENT. A TYPICAL SEARCH TAKES APPROXIMATELY 4 TO 6 MONTHS OR LONGER, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE CANDIDATE POOL AND HOW MANY ROUNDS OF INTERVIEWS COUNCIL WANTS TO HOLD. IN TERMS OF COST, CITIES GENERALLY SPEND 20 TO 25% OF A FIRST YEAR ANNUAL COMPENSATION IN THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS, AND THAT TYPICALLY INCLUDES THINGS LIKE CANDIDATE TRAVEL, RELOCATION AND RELATED EXPENSES. SO OVERALL, IT IS A TIME AND RESOURCE INTENSIVE PROCESS. IN DISCUSSING THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER APPOINTMENT OPTIONS, THERE ARE THREE AVAILABLE CHOICES FOR CONSIDERATION. OPTION ONE WOULD BE TO APPOINT AN INTERIM NOW WHICH WHICH, IN CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. OPTION TWO IS TO WAIT AND APPOINT SOMEONE AT A LATER DATE, AND THEN OPTION THREE WOULD BE TO NOT APPOINT AN INTERIM AT THIS TIME. EACH OPTION HAS ITS PROS AND CONS. 
          APPOINTING AN INTERIM OFFERS IMMEDIATE LEADERSHIP, CONTINUITY AND STABILITY, GIVING THE CITY TIME FOR A THOUGHTFUL RECRUITMENT PROCESS HELPS MANAGE EXISTING FINANCIAL FACTORS. INTERIM APPOINTMENTS CAN ALSO BRING SOME UNCERTAINTY, INCLUDING A RISK OF DUAL EXPECTATIONS AND THEN SOME AMBIGUITY FOR OUR EXTERNAL PARTNERS. THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS WE'D ALSO LIKE TO DISCUSS RELATED TO THE FULL CITY MANAGER RECRUITMENT. THE FIRST OPTION IS TO DELAY THE FULL RECRUITMENT PENDING A WORKING INTERVIEW FOR THE INTERIM IN THE CAPACITY FOR ABOUT A YEAR OR A DURATION. SELECTED BY THE COUNCIL IN CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. THIS IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. OPTION TWO IS TO START THE RECRUITMENT AFTER THE CURRENT CITY MANAGER LEAVES, AND THEN OPTION THREE WOULD BE TO BEGIN THE FULL RECRUITMENT IMMEDIATELY. WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING THESE OPTIONS, THE MAIN THINGS TO TAKE IN MIND ARE THE LEADERSHIP, CONTINUITY, ORGANIZATIONAL READINESS, TIMING AND MARKET CONDITIONS OR FINANCIAL IMPACTS, AND THE LEVEL OF COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL ENGAGEMENT YOU ALL WANT IN THAT PROCESS. SO FOR TODAY, STAFF IS REQUESTING DIRECTION ON APPOINTING AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER, AS WELL AS PROVIDING DIRECTION ON WHEN TO START THE 
          CITY MANAGER RECRUITMENT PROCESS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND ALSO DIRECTION. ANY QUESTIONS? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. 
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          >> MY DIRECTION TO THE APPOINTMENT IS FOR US TO DO THE APPOINTMENT NOW. AND I LET ME SEE AND PROVIDE DIRECTION ON WHEN TO START THE CITY MANAGEMENT RECRUITMENT PROCESS. 
          I WOULD JUST ASAP. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT SIX. >> IF WE'RE GIVEN DIRECTION, I ALSO WANT TO NOTE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HELPING WITH THE PROS AND CONS. SOME OF THE ANSWERS IN THE BACKUP MATERIALS. THAT COUNCIL MEMBER I FORGET WHICH COUNCIL MEMBER ACTUALLY ASKED SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS. NOW I THINK ABOUT IT, BUT I WOULD SAY I WOULD AM IN FAVOR OF APPOINTING AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND AS FAR AS PROVIDING DIRECTION AS TO WHEN TO START THE CITY MANAGER RECRUITMENT PROCESS, I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST GIVE A MINIMUM OF MAYBE SIX MONTHS FOR THAT INTERIM TO TO KIND OF SEE WHERE WE ARE AT 
          THAT TIME. SO THAT WOULD BE MY DIRECTION. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? 
          REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. >> MEGAN, CAN YOU HELP ME HELP ME WITH A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO. 
          WHY DOES STAFF RECOMMEND OPTION ONE IN TERMS OF THE RECRUITMENT. >> THE RECRUITMENT DELAYING IT. 
          IT ALLOWS, YOU KNOW, THE SUCCESSION TO COME NATURALLY WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION. IT CREATES STABILITY. THERE'S KIND OF A KNOWN COMMODITY WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION. AND SO IN A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY GOING THROUGH SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, IT CREATES 
          A LITTLE BIT OF STABILITY AND CONTINUITY IN OUR LEADERSHIP. >> IS THERE ARE THERE ANY LAWS OR OR STATUTES THAT SAY WE HAVE TO HAVE WE HAVE TO DO ANY OF THIS, OR CAN WE BASICALLY DO 
          WHATEVER WE WANT? >> I'M GOING TO DEFER TO MY LEGAL PARTNERS. 
          >> BUT IN TERMS. >> OF. >> IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, POSTING OR HAVING OPEN PROCESS, DO WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY WITH HOW WE DO THIS PROCESS? 
          >> OH, SURE. AS FAR AS THE PROCESS GOES, A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY. YEAH. THE ONLY CAVEAT IS YEAH, THE CHARTER SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CITY MANAGER. SURE. OKAY. BUT HOW 
          WOULD YOU GET THERE. >> YOU. >> HOWEVER YOU GET THERE IT'S 
          UP TO THE COUNCIL. >> OKAY. THAT ONE. >> SOMETHING ELSE I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS THIS DEEPLY TO A GROWING NUMBER OF, OF LARGE ORGANIZATIONS, FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES. THEY ARE DOING AWAY WITH THE THE INTERIM PROCESS. THEY'RE GOING STRAIGHT TO THE SUCCESSOR. ANY THOUGHTS ON WHY WE HAVE TO EVEN HAVE AN INTERIM? 
          >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN INTERIM. THAT'S ONE OF THE OPTIONS. AND SO I'M PRESENTING THOSE TO YOU TODAY. AND YOU GUYS CAN ULTIMATELY DECIDE WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST FOR THE CITY 
          AND THE CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS. >> PERHAPS SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES MIGHT HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT. I'M CURIOUS AS TO IF WE ALL EVEN WANT TO HAVE AN INTERIM, OR IF WE JUST WANT TO JUST WANT TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. MY DIRECTION I'M OKAY WITH I'M OKAY WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SO, BUT I'D LOVE TO HEAR IF ANYONE WANTS TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE I'M. SINCE WE HAVE SO MUCH LATITUDE AND FLEXIBILITY IN THIS DECISION, I DON'T THINK WE NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO IT THE WAY THAT IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, JUST BECAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT THAT WAY. WE SHOULD ALWAYS KEEP DOING IT THAT WAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALWAYS THE THE BEST WAY TO GO, SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR SOME 
          SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          FOUR AND THEN TWO. >> THANK YOU. TELL ME WHAT WORKING INTERVIEW LOOKS LIKE. 
          >> BASICALLY IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY YOU CAN YOU CHOOSE ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU WANT, BUT IT'S IN A PERIOD OF TIME FOR YOU ALL TO EVALUATE THE INTERNAL INTERIM CANDIDATE THAT YOU SELECT. SO BASICALLY THEY TAKE ON ALL THE RESPONSIBILITIES. YOU APPOINT THEM WITH THE AUTHORITY OF THE CITY MANAGER, AND YOU BASICALLY EVALUATE HOW THEY DO IN THE JOB. 
          >> BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INTERIM. CORRECT OKAY OKAY. YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT IT'S IT'S MY OPINION THAT WE HAVE THREE EXCELLENT DEPUTY AND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS CURRENTLY. AND I WONDER IF AN INTERIM IS NECESSARY WHEN WHEN THE CITY MANAGER LEAVES. I DON'T MEAN LEAVES WHEN WHEN SHE'S OUT OF THE OFFICE. I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN ANY KIND OF PERIL AT ALL. I'M VERY, VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE WITH THE DEPUTY AND AND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS THAT THAT THAT TAKE OVER WHEN SARAH LEAVES. I'M NOT POSITIVE THAT I EVEN FEEL THE NEED FOR 
          THAT. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THEM? WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? >> LOOK AGAIN. 
          >> WATCH OUT. SO. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT MAYOR I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT PUTS ME ON THE ON 
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          THE LIST. BUT BUT. >> CAN I ADD ONE THING TO THAT? I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD WITH THE INTERIM CAPACITY IS IT ALLOWS SARAH AS AN OPPORTUNITY, WHILE SHE'S STILL HERE TO WORK AS AN ADVISOR TO THAT INTERIM. IF YOU WERE TO APPOINT THAT INDIVIDUAL 
          NOW VERSUS WAITING UNTIL SHE LEAVES FOR THAT TRANSITION. >> AND AND THAT CERTAINLY MAKES 
          SENSE. BUT FRANKLY, I WOULD EXPECT THAT REGARDLESS. >> YEAH. 
          >> I THINK SHE WOULD I THINK SHE WOULD WOULD WOULD HELP. I'M CONVINCED ANYWAY SHE COULD ANY 
          WAY SHE COULD. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT PUTS ME, SIR. >> OKAY. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> YEP. AND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. 
          >> THANK YOU. I THINK I'M GOING TO I'M HOPE THE MAYOR WILL HAVE US DO SEVERAL ROUNDS, BECAUSE THIS IS A REALLY BIG, IMPORTANT DECISION AND WE ALL KIND OF GENERALLY NEED TO BE IN A FAIRLY CONSISTENT PLACE. I HOPE WE'LL GET THERE WITH LOTS OF DIALOG. I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISIONS WE'LL MAKE. SO THAT SAID, LET ME LET ME SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP A SECOND AGO IS WHAT MACK SAID ABOUT LIKE, WELL, WE HAVE TO HAVE CITY MANAGER. SO IS REALLY OPTION THREE. THE IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. IS THAT REALLY AN OPTION. NO INTERIM BECAUSE WE WHAT IS WHAT DOES THAT MEAN. IF WE HAVE TO HAVE A A POSITION IN THE CHARTER REPRESENTING THE 
          CITY MANAGER, HOW DOES THAT JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND? >> I CAN HAVE MACK SPEAK TO THE CHARTER BECAUSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT LANGUAGE ENTIRELY. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO IF YOU IF YOU DON'T TECHNICALLY HAVE THE CITY MANAGER, THAT LEVEL OF AUTHORITY WOULD GO. IT WOULD BE THE THE DCM AND THE ACMS REPORTING TO YOU ALL. IT CREATES A LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY. 
          BUT GO AHEAD. IT COULD BE. >> MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT. OPTION. THREE THERE WOULD BASICALLY BE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO WITH AN INTERIM WILL MOVE DIRECTLY TO HIRING A CITY 
          MANAGER. OKAY, OKAY. >> BUT IF THERE COULD BE IF YOU DO THAT THOUGH, THERE COULD BE A GAP IN TIME, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE COULD BE LOOKING AT A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE WE DON'T HIRE 
          FAST ENOUGH. YEAH. SHE'S GONE. >> THAT'S MY EXACT NEXT QUESTION. IF THE TIME PERIOD IS 4 TO 6 MONTHS, YEAH. WE CAN DO OUR BEST TO HAVE SPECIAL MEETINGS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN ACCELERATE THIS PROCESS AS BEST WE CAN. BUT WHEN I'VE SEEN THEM BEFORE, I WAS ON COUNCIL WHEN I PARTICIPATED IN SARAH'S HIRING. IT TAKES I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO MOVE AT THE SPEED OF GOVERNMENT, BUT WE SOMETIMES MOVE AT THE SPEED OF GOVERNMENT. SO CAN WE HONESTLY COMPLETE THAT PROCESS IN TIME TO TO NOT HAVE SOME SORT OF TRANSITIONAL STAGE? 
          >> IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO HIRE EXTERNALLY? NO. IF YOU'RE REVIEWING INTERNALLY, YOU'VE GOT YOUR CANDIDATES HERE. YOU CAN GO THROUGH THAT EVALUATION PROCESS AS QUICKLY OR AS SLOWLY 
          AS YOU WOULD LIKE. >> SO AND I LOVE THAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING MY VERY NEXT QUESTION. AND SHOULD WE NOT BE MAKING AT LEAST HAVING A LIGHT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER WE WE ARE INTERESTED IN INTERNAL HIRE, EXTERNAL HIRE, OR A HYBRID COMBINATION OF BOTH? I. IS THAT NOT PART OF THIS DISCUSSION? AND IF IT'S NOT, WHY IS IT NOT? CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          >> IT IT COULD, IT COULD AND SHOULD BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION. BUT I THINK THAT FALLS INTO HOW YOU HANDLE THE ULTIMATE RECRUITMENT, RIGHT? YOUR INTERNAL YOUR INTERIM PLACEMENT WILL COME FROM AN INTERNAL CANDIDATE. SO IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT HOW YOU HANDLE THE RECRUITMENT PART, YOU CAN TAKE THOSE OPTIONS AND THEN FURTHER EVALUATE THEM TO WHO YOU ALLOW TO, WHETHER IT'S APPLY GO THROUGH THE INTERVIEW PROCESS. YOU COULD INCLUDE INTERVIEW INTERNAL ONLY INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL EXTERNAL ONLY. I MEAN, THERE'S A TON OF 
          WAYS THAT YOU COULD SLICE AND DICE THAT. >> OKAY. AND THEN FOR IF WE WERE TO CHOOSE TO HAVE AN INTERIM BECAUSE WE, WE THINK THE PROCESS MIGHT OVER, YOU KNOW, GO GO TOO LONG AND WE'LL NEED SOME SORT OF ARE THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON WHERE THAT CAN COME FROM? I HEAR SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE VERY CAPABLE STAFF, AND I AGREE, WE HAVE VERY CAPABLE STAFF THAT CAN LEAD THE GOVERNMENT. BUT ARE WE RESTRICTED TO, TO DO TO HAVE AN INTERIM IN-HOUSE? ARE THERE YOU KNOW, I AM AWARE OF TEMPORARY INTERIMS THAT YOU CAN HIRE IN OTHER FACILITIES AND FROM OTHER LOCATIONS TO COME IN AND JUST TEMPORARILY MANAGE THINGS THAT HAVE NO VESTED INTEREST IN, IN, IN THE GOVERNMENT AND JUST SEA SHEPHERD US THROUGH THE THE TRANSITIONAL PROCESS. SO TALK ME THROUGH SOME OF THOSE 
          OPTIONS A LITTLE BIT AND WHERE WE CAN GET FOLKS FROM. >> I MEAN ULTIMATELY YOU ALL CAN CAN DECIDE ON THAT COLLECTIVELY HOWEVER YOU WANT AND WHERE YOU WANT TO SOURCE FROM. I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS FINANCIAL. YEAH, JUST FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS. AND THAT WOULD 
          BE THE LARGEST FACTOR. >> I WE HAVE WONDERFUL STAFF AND I THINK IT'S IT'S REALLY CONSIDERING THE NUMBER OF VACANCIES YOU HAVE AND SOME OTHER THINGS. I THINK THE, THE 
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LEVEL OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND MAINTAINING THAT. AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF DOCUMENTING EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD BETTER IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. SO I THINK THAT'S WE'VE REALLY COVERED OUR BASES A LOT IN THAT, BUT IT STILL DOESN'T GET AROUND SOME OF THE ISSUES OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND THE SORT OF DIRECTIONS THAT THE CITY COLLECTIVELY IS GOING. THAT SAID, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET IN FRONT OF THE INTERNAL EXTERNAL HIRE DISCUSSION. SO I BEFORE I GIVE DIRECTIONS, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THE REST OF US WEIGH IN IF THE MAYOR REALLY WANTS ME TO TO TO DO THAT, THEN I'LL DO IT AT, YOU KNOW, AT THE END. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE DISCUSSION FROM MY FELLOWS. 
          >> CAN I MAKE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION OR ASK FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? 
          >> YEAH, SURE. >> CAN SOMEONE PLEASE CLARIFY WHAT DISCUSSION SHOULD BE TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW DURING THE OPEN MEETING VERSUS I KNOW WE'VE GOT A CLOSED MEETING. I ASSUMED IT WAS REGARDING THIS SAME TOPIC. I JUST WANT SOME CLARIFICATION. IF WE COULD, BEFORE WE CONTINUE AS TO WHAT SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR THE CLOSED SESSION VERSUS WHAT 
          SHOULD BE DISCUSSED HERE, IS THAT I HOPE THAT'S ALL RIGHT. >> SURE. WHEN THE AGENDA COMMITTEE PUT THIS ON, IT WAS REALLY ABOUT PROCESS. WHAT WAS THE PROCESS GOING TO BE THAT WOULD LEAD TO ULTIMATELY HIRING A CITY MANAGER. AND SO THAT WAS PUT ON. THAT'S THE WORK SESSION. 
          CITY MANAGER'S REQUEST. IT WAS ALSO PUT ON FOR A CLOSED SESSION IN CASE YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT INDIVIDUALS AND THEIR CAPACITY TO SERVE IN THAT ROLE. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S FOR AS A PLACEHOLDER IS IF YOU START WANTING TO TALK ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL SPECIFICALLY AND THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD BE THERE FOR. OTHERWISE THE PROCESS IS ALL 
          OPEN DISCUSSION. >> OKAY. SO TO TO FOLLOW UP, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE'VE ALREADY MENTIONED SOME SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS IN OUR CONVERSATION. THEREFORE, IS IT AN APPROPRIATE 
          TIME OR NOT TO GO INTO CLOSED AS WE DISCUSSED INDIVIDUALS? >> WELL, IF YOU WANT TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION TO START TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS OR QUALIFICATIONS OR SKILL SETS, 
          THAT WOULD BE A CLOSED SESSION DISCUSSION THAT WOULD. >> BE. 
          >> APPROPRIATE FOR CLOSED SESSION. >> WE'RE STILL OPEN WHEN WE 
          TALK ABOUT PROCESS. >> IF YOU EVEN WANT TO GO THAT FAR. THAT'S THE QUESTION OF FOR COUNCIL. IF YOU WANT TO GO THAT FAR TO START HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS TODAY, OR IF YOU WOULD RATHER JUST STAY WITH PROCESS TODAY AND THEN COME BACK WITH INDIVIDUALS. IF YOU WANT TO START TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS AT A LATER MEETING, THAT'S CERTAINLY YOUR PREROGATIVE. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT WAS SET UP. THIS WAS JUST A JUST IN CASE THE COUNCIL WANTS TO START TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS. WE HAVE THAT ABILITY TODAY TO DO THAT. 
          >> OKAY. I JUST THINK IT'S HARD. IT'S GOING TO BE HARD NOT TO. BUT I WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE 
          MAYOR'S DISCRETION. >> YEAH. YEAH I THINK IT'S PERFECTLY FINE TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S I DON'T SEE THEM IN I DON'T SEE THEM THE SAME. THE PROCESS IS THE PROCESS AFTER THAT. THEN THERE'S A SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATION ON HOW DO WE HOW DO WE EXECUTE ON THAT PROCESS. 
          BUT BUT NO, I DON'T WANT TO CONFLATE THE TWO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU GET THE THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH AMBIGUITY THERE. IT'S WHAT DO YOU WANT THE PROCESS TO BE NOW, WHO DO WE 
          WHO EXECUTES ON THAT? >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. SO. YOU HAD THE FLOOR. YOU DON'T HAVE DIRECTION. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. YEAH OKAY. FOR NOW. ALL RIGHT. WELL WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S A MAJORITY BEFORE WE CIRCLE BACK. ANY ANY ANY ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM? 
          >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER, FOR BRINGING UP THE CLOSED SESSION. 
          I WAS ABOUT TO POINT THAT OUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNEW THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES TO GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL REGARDING THE LEVEL THAT WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION SLIDE? YES. OKAY. WHEN WE SAY WHERE DID IT GO? I THINK DUAL PAY WAS ON ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT I READ SOMEWHERE. I SEE DUAL 
          EXPECTATIONS THERE. I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONE ABOUT. >> COST CONSIDERATIONS FOR INTERIM PAY. SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT COMPENSATION YOU'RE GOING TO SARAH WILL OBVIOUSLY RECEIVE HER COMPENSATION AND THEN HER PAY OUT COME MAY 31ST. SHE'LL GET HER REGULAR SALARY THROUGH VACATION ACCRUALS FROM THE END OF MARCH THROUGH MAY, ASSUMING THAT THERE IS AN INTERIM APPOINTED, THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD THEN LIKELY RECEIVE INTERIM COMPENSATION. 
          SO THERE'S A COMPONENT THERE. THERE'S ALSO AN ELEMENT IF FOR IF YOU DECIDED TO START THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS NOW AND YOU SELECTED A CANDIDATE PRIOR TO SARAH'S DEPARTURE, THEN YOU MAY BE PAYING TWO CITY MANAGERS, DEPENDING ON IF THAT CANDIDATE IS SEATED BEFORE HER DEPARTURE AND BEFORE HER FINAL PAYOUT. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THAT COULD BE PUT 
          TOGETHER TO WHERE YOU DO HAVE A LARGER FINANCIAL OBLIGATION. >> OKAY. SO WE'RE ASSUMING AN 
          OVERLAP OF THERE. >> YEAH. >> THERE COULD BE WORK TIME BASICALLY A MINIMUM OF TWO MONTHS I GUESS, BECAUSE ONCE YOU'RE GONE. YEAH. I DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE AN INTERIM. I THINK WE NEED THAT CLARITY AND THAT. SORT OF STABILITY FOR ALL 
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OF OUR OPERATIONS. I THINK THAT THAT IS IMPORTANT. SO I DO THINK WE NEED AN INTERIM. SO I WILL SAY THAT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT APPOINTING IMMEDIATELY, AS YOU KNOW, AT LEAST IDENTIFYING SOMEONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. DO WE HAVE THE OPTION TO IDENTIFY SOMEONE AND HAVE A LATER START DATE? OBVIOUSLY NOT. NOT MARCH 31ST, BUT YEAH YEAH YEAH OKAY. AND THEN SO I DO SUPPORT AN INTERIM AND WORKING ON IDENTIFYING WHO THAT PERSON IS WITH A LATER START DATE. 
          DEFINITELY NOT, YOU KNOW, NEXT MONTH OR SO. >> WELL OPTION TWO RIGHT. 
          WHAT'S THAT. THE OPTION TWO. >> I THINK SO I THINK OPTION TWO IS CLOSEST TO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE. OH ACTUALLY. I ALSO LET'S SAY THAT IT WERE AN INTERNAL CANDIDATE. IT THEY REALLY SHOULDN'T BE DOING THEIR CURRENT JOB PLUS INTERIM. RIGHT. SO I'M TRYING TO ALSO PICTURE HOW ALL THAT BACKFILLING WOULD WORK. BECAUSE 
          NOW ARE YOU CREATING A CHAIN OF INTERIMS BASICALLY. >> OR YOU ARE YOU ARE. IF YOU CHOOSE AN INTERIM, USUALLY YOU MOVE SOMEONE UP AS A TEMPORARY INTERIM ASSISTANT OR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 5% OR 10% INCREASE. IT'S NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT. AND AND THEY WOULD STAY IN THAT ROLE UNTIL YOU MADE YOUR DECISION AS A, AS A COUNCIL FOR WHO YOU SELECT FOR YOUR CITY MANAGER. BUT IN IN OTHER WORDS, WE YES, WE WOULDN'T LEAVE IT AS A WHOLE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE PROBABLY IT'S DAUNTING AS IT IS NOW WITH THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT THEY EACH HAVE, YOU'D NEED SOMEONE TO STEP IN. AND THE OTHER PART OF IT IS, QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR THEM TO EXPERIENCE BEING ON THIS IN THE OFFICE AND REALIZING ALL THE DIFFERENT BALLS YOU'RE JUGGLING AND THINGS. SO IT HAPPENS. AND THIS IS THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL ACROSS ANY ORGANIZATION. WHEN YOU HAVE TO FILL A POSITION AND YOU KIND OF STEP UP AT SOME POINT, YOU DON'T FILL IT, YOU KNOW, YOU 
          DON'T KEEP BACKFILLING. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SITTING ON IT. >> RIGHT. SO THEN ON RECRUITMENT, I. THIS ONE'S HARD BECAUSE OF SUCH A BIG ELECTION COMING UP INCLUDING THERE WILL BE A NEW MAYOR. AND I WOULD IMAGINE ANY POTENTIAL PERMANENT INDIVIDUAL WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHO THE MAYOR IS GOING TO BE BEFORE THEY AGREE TO THE PERMANENT POSITION. AND THERE MAY OR MAY NOT. WELL, THERE'S HOLD ON. LET ME THINK. YEAH, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME TURNOVER AS WELL BEYOND THE MAYOR. SO I HESITATE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PERMANENT RECRUITMENT AT THIS POINT. AND I I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT. I FEEL LIKE EVEN STARTING THE PROCESS IS A LITTLE CHALLENGING. BEFORE THE NEXT COUNCIL IS SEATED, AND I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO HEAR MY COLLEAGUES THOUGHTS ON THAT OF MAYBE STARTING THE PROCESS. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE KIND OF WEIRD, I THINK, TO START THE PROCESS WITH THIS GROUP AND POTENTIALLY END IT WITH A DIFFERENT GROUP. SO I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT. I DON'T THINK GOING STRAIGHT INTO A PERMANENT I STRUGGLE WITH THAT AS WELL. I'M CURIOUS WHAT EVERYONE ELSE THINKS REGARDING POTENTIALLY DELAYING THE START OF THE PERMANENT PROCESS UNTIL THE 
          NEXT COUNCIL IS SEATED. >> OKAY. GOT IT. >> BEAR WITH ME. SO EVEN ABSENT ME, WE CAN, WE CAN WE CAN WHITTLE IT DOWN. SO THERE IS THE INTERIM NON-INTERIM DISCUSSIONS OFF THE TABLE. THERE'S MAJORITIES SAY THEY WANT SOME LEVEL OF INTERIM. SO MOVING THAT FORWARD THE CONVERSATION FORWARD. IT'S BASICALLY OPTION ONE. OPTION 
          TWO. YES I THINK IS THAT RIGHT. YES. >> YEAH. EITHER NOW OR AT A 
          LATER DECIDED. >> THAT'S RIGHT. SO. THAT THAT'S THE CONTEXT. 
          REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT SIX. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME ANOTHER COUPLE OF MINUTES TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, AND I THINK I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH STAFF THAT HAVE LEFT THE CITY OF DENTON, INCLUDING DIRECTORS INCLUDING OTHER POSITIONS, AND KIND OF CONSIDERED THEM EXIT INTERVIEWS. 
          AND THE ONE THING WHEN I BRING UP, BECAUSE WE'VE KNOWN FOR A WHILE NOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEW CITY MANAGER, IS STABILITY. STABILITY, THAT IS WHAT I HEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN, 
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IS CONTINUITY, AND STABILITY IS NEEDED. I PERSONALLY AM NOT FOR AN INTERIM GUN FOR HIRE, JUST HERE FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. INTERIM CITY MANAGER, BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE ARE A VERY UNIQUE CITY. THE FACT THAT WE HAVE OUR OWN ELECTRIC COMPANY, THAT WE HAVE OUR OWN WASTEWATER DISTRIBUTIONS TO OTHER CITIES, THE WHAT OUR BUDGET LOOKS LIKE FOR THE SIZE OF OUR CITY AND THE HIGH GROWTH AREA THAT WE'RE IN. I PERSONALLY DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE OUTSIDE COMING IN BEING AN INTERIM. AND THE OTHER CONCERN I'VE HEARD FROM LEAVING STAFF IS JUST THAT OTHER LEADERS IN OUR CITY STAGNATE BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT DIRECTION IS GOING. WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING, AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LEADERS LIKES AND DISLIKES AND THE WAY THEY LIKE TO DO THINGS. SO THEREFORE NOTHING GETS DONE. SO I BELIEVE IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO HAVE AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER. I THINK WE SHOULD PROMOTE FROM WITHIN AS FAR AS THE GROUP THAT WE HAVE THAT IS SO EXPERIENCED, THAT KNOWS OUR COUNCIL AND I CAN APPRECIATE THE CONCERNS AS FAR AS SHOULD IT BE, THIS COUNCIL OR ANOTHER COUNCIL. BUT THIS COUNCIL CHANGES EVERY YEAR. WE HAVE TWO YEAR TURNOVERS THAT ALTERNATE. SO WE WE WILL NOT HAVE ONE COUNCIL THAT WILL SEE THE NEW CITY MANAGER THROUGH THE NEXT TWO YEARS. EVERY YEAR IT'S GOING TO TURN OVER. SO I PERSONALLY HAVE NO PROBLEM GIVING MY INPUT AND GIVING DIRECTION TO WHAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT TODAY. AND I THINK THE SOONER THE BETTER, IN MY OPINION. WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION MONTHS AGO SO THAT OUR CURRENT CITY MANAGER CAN START HANDING OVER A COUPLE OF DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, EACH MONTH, SO WE CAN HAVE AS SMOOTH OF A TRANSITION AS POSSIBLE AND NOT STOP PROGRESS THAT WE SO DESPERATELY NEED, AND TRY TO KEEP AS MANY OF OUR CITY STAFF LEADERS THAT WE CAN IN PLACE, VERSUS THE FEAR OF HAVING SOMEONE ELSE COME IN AND BRING THEIR OWN GROUP. AND EVERYONE NEEDS TO START LOOKING FOR A JOB. NOW I'M JUST PUTTING MY CARDS ON THE TABLE. THAT'S ANOTHER REAL CONCERN THAT I HAVE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M. I SHARE WITH YOU MY THOUGHTS ON WHY I SO STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER. WE SHOULD APPOINT THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, AND THAT WE SHOULD GIVE THAT PERSON A MINIMUM OF SIX MONTHS TO SEE HOW THEY TRANSITION INTO THAT, AND TO SEE IF THE NEXT COUNCIL IS HAPPY WITH THEM, TO THEN APPOINT THEM AS THE NEW CITY 
          MANAGER. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR? 
          >> THANK YOU. SOME OF YOU HAVE HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE. I HAVE NOT SO SO I WILL, I WILL I WILL APPRECIATE ANY ANY GUIDANCE I CAN GET. WHERE DOES ONE FIND AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER. AND AND THAT'S MY MAIN QUESTION. BUT ALSO HAS THE CITY MANAGER'S POSITION BEEN 
          ADVERTISED AT LARGE. DOES CITY MANAGER DIGEST HAVE AN AD FOR. >> SO I GOT IT. SO THE SHORT ANSWER IS, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT OUT A SEARCH LIKE RFP TYPE ANYTHING. AND IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL OR IF DIRECTION OF COUNCIL IS INTERNAL, THE PEOPLE HAVE DONE IT BOTH WAYS IN DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS. SO I WON'T NAIL THAT PART DOWN. BUT IT'S THERE'S A PRESCRIBED APPROACH TO HOW YOU WANT TO BRING IN CANDIDATES. AND IT'S IT'S THE IT'S THE WORST KEPT SECRET ON THE PLANET. EVERYONE KNOWS THEY THEY'RE ALL MEMBERS OF ICMA. 
          THEY ALL GO TO THE CONFERENCE TOGETHER. THAT'S WHY I TALK ABOUT ALL THE STUFF, THE CONSTERNATION. AND IT'S JUST IT'S JUST FULL DISCLOSURE. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE LEVEL OF CANDIDATES WE'RE GOING TO GET. THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT PLACE TO WORK IT. WE YOU LOOK, JUST GO, GO LOOK ONLINE BECAUSE IT HAS THE MINUTES AND YOU GO LOOK AT OTHER LEWISVILLE THREE HOUR MEETINGS. DENTON 910 GRAPEVINE. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST IT'S JUST A DIFFICULT PLACE TO WORK. AND SO THERE THERE'S ALL THOSE THINGS. SO ALL THAT FACTORS IN. BUT EVERYONE KNOWS EVERYONE'S WATCHING THIS. PROSPECTIVE APPLICANTS ARE WATCHING THIS MEETING NOW AND THEY'RE LIKE OR THEY'RE LIKE YEAH, EITHER WAY. SO SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE EVERYONE KNOWS, EVERYONE KNOWS I'M ROLLING OFF. EVERYONE KNOWS MAYOR CHENEY'S ROLLING OFF IN FRISCO. THEY'RE GOING TO A SIMILAR SITUATION. ALL THOSE THINGS ARE THERE'S JUST KNOWN COMMODITIES THAT PEOPLE ROTATE. 
          BUT THEIR ORGANIZATION SO DIFFERENT. SAME FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYORS. THEY HAVE A CITY MANAGER'S ORGANIZATION THAT IS KEENLY AWARE OF ALL THE THINGS WE'RE DISCUSSING. SO YOU JUST FIGURE OUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THAT POOL? AND THAT POOL DECIDES IF THEY WANT 
          TO DEAL WITH DENTON OR NOT. >> IS THERE AN OBVIOUS SOURCE FOR A INTERIM CITY MANAGER? IS 
          THERE A POOL OF OF OF PEOPLE QUEUING UP TO. >> WELL. 
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          >> TO BE AN INTERIM? >> THE ANSWER IS THAT'S WHY I PICKED A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. 
          IF I SAT IN MY REVIEW IN NOVEMBER RIGHT THERE, AND I SAID TO THIS COUNCIL, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF INTERVIEWING THE THREE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS, AND I'M GOING TO PICK ONE OF THEM TO BE THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER THROUGH AN INTERVIEW PROCESS WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS, THREE DIFFERENT PANELS, BECAUSE I FEEL I SAID, I'M GOING TO BE LEAVING SOON, AND I FEEL LIKE YOU NEED SOMEONE WHO CAN STEP IN ONE. WHEN I'M GONE, I'M GOING TO USE UP MY VACATION. BY THE WAY, I'M USING ALL MY VACATION UP SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY ME OUT. I'M ONLY GOING TO HAVE MY SICK TO BE PAID. AND I SAID THAT WAS A COMMITMENT I MADE IN MY LAST REVIEW. AND SO THE WHOLE IDEA WAS HAVING A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER WAS TO BE ABLE TO STEP IN AS AN INTERIM, IF THE COUNCIL SO CHOOSE TO DO THAT. I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO IT. I'M SAYING I SET IT UP BECAUSE IT WAS HELPFUL FOR ME TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT WAS THE DEPUTY AND THEN, YES, TWO VERY CAPABLE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS. AWESOME. BUT THAT WAS THE WHOLE IDEA. AND THAT IS WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS. NOT ALWAYS. I DON'T WANT TO LEAD TO MAKE YOU LIKE I'M LEADING YOU, BUT USUALLY IT'S THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER I STEPPED IN WHEN TODD HALLMAN LEFT. I WAS THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. THIS SOME OF YOU? I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER BECK WAS ON IT. MAYOR WAS ON IT. WHO ELSE WAS BYRD? THEY SELECTED ME. I WAS THE DEPUTY AND I SERVED 
          AS THE INTERIM. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WAS. >> A COUPLE YEARS, THREE YEARS 
          AGO. >> OR SO, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG I STAYED ON. BUT YOU DID. 
          YOU DID A PROCESS. YOU DID IT NATIONALLY. YOU GOT ABOUT FIVE PEOPLE AND I ENDED UP GETTING IT. BUT THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. AND YES, YOU CAN HAVE YOU HAVE ICMA, TCM, ALL THESE DIFFERENT BRANCHES. BUT THE, THE WHOLE IDEA AND I WAS VERY HONEST WITH YOU ALL THAT I WAS GOING TO PICK A DEPUTY THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE THE HEIR APPARENT IF THE COUNCIL SO CHOOSE, CHOSE TO 
          DO IT. >> OKAY. SO, MA'AM, WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE BRINGING IN AN INTERIM FROM THE OUTSIDE. IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? 
          >> WELL, I. I'M GOING TO. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. I THINK THAT'S A BAD A BAD MISTAKE. I THINK YOU'RE BRINGING IN SOMEONE WHO HAS NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE STEPPING INTO. 
          >> AS AN INTERIM. >> AN INTERIM AND EVEN. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH YOUR PROCESS, AND IT'S SHAME ON THE CANDIDATE IF THEY DON'T DO THEIR HOMEWORK. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT. BUT BRINGING AN INTERIM IS IS SOMEONE WHO COMES IN AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU GET. THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT WILL DO INTERIM. 
          AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHEN I RETIRE, I'M GOING TO DO INTERIMS. BUT THEY ONLY DO IT FOR ABOUT THREE MONTHS. THERE'S A VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT WILL SAY, YEAH, I'LL STAY ON FOR AS LONG AS YOU NEED ME, BECAUSE THE WHOLE IDEA IS THEY'RE RETIRED. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO IN THIS CITY. AND THE ISSUES WITH CONTINUITY AND SUSTAINABILITY FOR LEADERSHIP AND STAFFING ISSUES, BECAUSE THAT CAME UP CONSISTENTLY IN MY LAST REVIEWS WITH THE STAFF THAT DIRECTLY REPORT TO ME IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WE NEED SOME WE NEED SOME CONTINUITY HERE. WE WERE JUST ROLLING ALONG, REALLY GETTING FOCUSED. THE I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU GO WITH AN INTERIM FROM INSIDE AND THEN DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO AFTER THAT, BUT I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND GOING OUT AND BRINGING SOMEONE INTO THIS ORGANIZATION, BECAUSE YOU'RE 
          STILL TURNING THE ORGANIZATION UPSIDE DOWN. >> OKAY, OKAY. AND I AND MY POSITION HAS BEEN QUASHED, I DON'T HAVE MY POSITION IS NOT SUPPORTED. BUT BUT FROM WHAT THE MAYOR SAID AND WHAT YOU JUST SAID, I STILL THINK THAT'S A GOOD POSITION. I THINK WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND TO TWO EXCELLENT ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS. AND AND BECAUSE THEY KNOW, THEY KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE BODIES ARE BURIED. NOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO TRAIN ANYBODY AND TELL THEM WHERE THE WHAT DOES STAND FOR. I GET THAT I OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          FIVE AND TWO. >> SIR. >> SIR, WILL YOU STAY ON FOR 
          REVOLVING THREE MONTH CONTRACT PERMANENTLY? >> NO, I WILL NOT. 
          >> OKAY. >> JUST. NO, I WILL NOT. >> OKAY. JUST SO YOU KNOW, 
          PUTTING IT OUT THERE. >> I TELL YOU WHAT, I'VE SAID THIS ALL ALONG. I WILL HELP THIS ORGANIZATION IN ANY WAY I CAN WITHOUT STAYING ON FROM MONEY WISE OR ANYTHING ELSE. IF EVER I CAN COME BACK AND BE OF ANY SERVICE, I WILL DO THAT BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY AND I CARE ABOUT THE WORK THAT THE STAFF, THESE PEOPLE, OUR DIRECTORS AND EVERYBODY HAS DONE. BUT IT WOULD NOT BE FAIR FOR ME TO CONTINUE. I REALLY DO WANT TO DO SPEND MORE TIME WITH MY FAMILY, WHICH I HAVE IGNORED AT TIMES, AND I WANT TO SPEND MORE TIME WORKING AND HELPING OTHER CITIES IF THEY SO CHOOSE TO HAVE ME AS AN INTERIM. AND I WANT TO SERVE ON THIS COLLEGE UNIVERSITY BOARD AND HELP DEVELOP NEW WAYS OF EDUCATING PEOPLE THROUGH COLLEGE, THAT DOESN'T TAKE FOUR YEARS. SO I HAVE A I HAVE A PLAN AHEAD. SO BUT I WILL AT ANY POINT HELP THIS ORGANIZATION IN ANY WAY I CAN AND WOULD SUPPORT THE 
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PERSON THAT WAS SELECTED AS INTERIM. OR WHEN YOU SELECT YOUR FULL TIME CITY MANAGER, I 
          WOULD ALWAYS BE WILLING TO HELP THEM IN ANY WAY I COULD. >> SO, MAYOR, I'LL BE QUICK. I APPRECIATE LISTENING TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR THOUGHTS AND FEEDBACK. I'M GOING TO COME DOWN WHERE WHERE I STARTED. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND. I DON'T WANT AN INTERIM. HAVING SAID THAT, I REALIZE THAT'S OFF THE TABLE. SO THEN THE NEXT QUESTION FOR ME BECOMES INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL. ABSOLUTELY. IT SHOULD BE AN INTERNAL CANDIDATE. SO THEN THE LAST QUESTION IS DO WE DO IT NOW? DO WE DO IT LATER? THE PROCESS SHOULD BEGIN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER JESTER. WE'RE ALREADY BEHIND. WE SHOULD HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS IMMEDIATELY WHEN OUR CITY MANAGER INFORMED US THAT SHE WAS GOING TO BE MAKING THIS TRANSITION. OKAY, DOES THAT ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS FOR ME? 
          >> YES, SIR. THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU. YEAH. LET ME LET ME LET ME START THE THE END AND I'LL PICK UP RIGHT FROM THERE. WE WE COLLECTIVELY SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO SARAH WHEN SHE GAVE US SO MUCH ADVANCE WARNING. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE IN THE PROCESS. YOU KNOW IT ALL. IT ALL GOT VISCOSITY. BUT YES, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COUNCILOR MCGEE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE STARTED THIS MONTHS AGO TO GIVE US THE OPTION SO THAT IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE THESE RUSH DECISIONS. LIKE, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S EXACTLY RUSHED, BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY LOSING TIME. SO IN THE END, THE IDEA OF LOSING TIME. LET ME JUMP TO THE SECOND QUESTION. AND THAT IS I THINK WE SHOULD DO OUR START, OUR FULL PROCESS RIGHT AWAY, BECAUSE I AM WORRIED ABOUT THE TIME FRAME AND THE CANDIDATES. 
          AND I DID GO THROUGH SARAH'S HIRE, AS SHE MENTIONED. SO I AND I MENTIONED THE SPEED OF GOVERNMENT UNFORTUNATELY EARLIER. SO I DO THINK AND I, I RECOGNIZE MAYOR PRO TEM CONCERNS THAT, YOU KNOW, OKAY. BUT TO COUNCILOR JESTER'S POINT, IT IS IT IS WHAT IT IS. IT'S GOVERNMENT. IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE IN MAY. AND IT JUST WE'LL ROLL WITH THE PUNCHES. WE'RE A GOOD COMMUNITY. 
          WE'LL WORK WITH EACH OTHER. SO THAT SAID I'M FOR OPTION THREE ON THE CITY MANAGER. LET'S GET GOING. LET'S CAN WE SOMEHOW MAGICALLY GO BACK IN TIME AND GET GOING AND AND THEN OKAY, SO OPTION THREE IS OFF THE TABLE ON THE INTERIM. I, I'M, I'M NOT COUNTING HEADS LIKE THE MAYOR IS, BUT IT DOES SOUND LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A MAJORITY FOR NOT EXTERNAL I SHOULDN'T PUT IS THAT. HAVE YOU BEEN COUNTING HEADS SIR. IS THAT WHERE WE ARE? 
          >> NO, I'M ON THE PROCESS. >> OKAY. WE'RE MID-PROCESS. SO THEN. I GUESS TO GIVE US THE MOST OPTIONS, I'M GOING TO SIDE WITH MAYOR PRO AND I'M GOING TO GO WITH OPTION TWO. I THINK WE HAVE TIME TO FIGURE THAT PROCESS OUT. I'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION. AND THE REASON IS JUST TO CLOSE IT OUT IS I THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE ON THE ACTUAL CITY MANAGER PROCESS, INTERNAL, EXTERNAL, ALL THAT. AND THAT'S GOING TO THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT WHAT WE DO. SO 
          I GUESS I'M FOR OPTION TWO IN THAT CASE. >> YEAH. 
          >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE DIRECTION MAYOR PRO TEM. >> I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. SO IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS INTERNAL INTERIM. 
          DOES THAT SOUND CORRECT, MAYOR? >> YES. >> OKAY. DO WE HAVE A LIST ALREADY OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE INTERESTED, AND HAS THERE BEEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE 
          TO EXPRESS INTEREST? >> WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY OF THAT. WE DON'T NEED THE DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL ON HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE ONE. >> DID YOU HAVE ME DOWN? DID YOU NEED FOR ME TO CLARIFY 
          ANYTHING? I WAS CLEAR, YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> WELL, NO. NO, I DON'T HAVE YOU DOWN. I NEED CLARIFICATION ON. YES, THERE'S AN INTERIM, BUT THE QUESTION IS TIMING. 
          >> OH, NOW OPTION ONE. >> OKAY. GOT IT. >> SO THE MAJORITY IS RIGHT AWAY FROM AN INTERIM APPOINTMENT STANDPOINT. AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. WHAT YOU HEARD ON THE. EVALUATION OF THAT, DID YOU GET A FEEL FOR THE MAJORITY SUPPORT OF THE 
          INTERIM. >> NOW OR LATER? YEAH. MAJORITY FROM WHAT I HEARD WAS NOW OKAY. 
          >> YEAH OKAY. THAT'S I AGREE. AND SO I WILL SAY MY PART WHILE MOOT. I SHARE THE CONCERNS OF TIMING AND HERE'S WHY I'M FINE WITH INTERIM. NOW I'M FINE WITH STRUCTURING IT. SO WE'RE NOT 
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PAYING FOR TWO CITY MANAGERS. AND I'M ALSO FINE WITH THAT BECAUSE I'M A FIRM BELIEVER WITH THAT. ANYTHING WITH TWO HEADS IS A MONSTER. AND SO YOU HAVE ONE HEAD OF AN ORGANIZATION, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, I EVERY MOVIE I'VE WATCHED THE SO YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE AUTONOMY TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, ESPECIALLY IF YOUR JOB'S ON. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE YOU'RE REQUIRED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THOSE METRICS. SO THAT SAID, I DO. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THE MAJORITY, BUT JUST SO I HAVE A CLEAN RECORD, I THINK IT'S BETTER WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO WAIT THE YEAR. AND HERE'S WHY. BECAUSE IF YOU NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE THE ELECTIONS IN FOUR MONTHS, I GET THAT NO BIG DEAL. THAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR. BUT SHORTLY THEREAFTER YOU HAVE THE BUDGET, WHICH YOU HAVE TO ADOPT A BUDGET IN OCTOBER TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHO THAT IS, TO GET THEIR BEARINGS, TO GET THEIR KIND OF THEIR PROCEDURES, THEIR POLICIES IN PLACE, AND IN TURN RIGHT BACK AROUND AND HANDLE TWO POINT WHATEVER BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET. AND IT WILL CERTAINLY GO UP WITH LANDMARK AND COLE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS. IT JUST IS A IT'S A LOT TO TAKE ON. AND SO IF THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THAT THAT YEAR KIND OF TIME FRAME, IT PUTS YOU JANUARY. IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY WORK DONE THE NEXT THREE, FOUR WEEKS. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST NOT REALITY. I MEAN, SO YOU'RE PROBABLY A MONTH AND A HALF OUT BEFORE YOU'RE EVEN PRODUCTIVELY. 
          YOU GOT TO YOU GOT WE GOT TO SEND OUT NOTICE TO FIND A WHOEVER'S GOING TO HANDLE THE SEARCH, IF IT'S AN INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL SEARCH, ALL THOSE THINGS FOR PERMANENT ALL THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAVE TO HAPPEN. THE HOLIDAYS ARE UPON US. AND SO YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY WORK DONE FOR A MONTH ANYWAY. AND THEN YOU'RE THREE, FOUR MONTHS OUT FROM AN ELECTION. YOU'RE FOUR MONTHS AWAY FROM THAT, FROM HAVING TO RATIFY A BUDGET JUST A LOT. AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I WOULD THINK THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPOINT NOW AND A YEAR OUT WORKS, BUT THAT'S NOT THE MAJORITY OF FOLKS. SO. THAT SAID, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE 
          CLEAR THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. AND SO ANYWAY. >> A POINT OF ORDER. YES, SIR. 
          I DON'T RECALL THE TIME FRAME BEING SOMETHING THAT HAD A MAJORITY. I THINK I THREW OUT, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST SIX MONTHS. HOWEVER, I MEAN, MY PERFECT WORLD I THINK WOULD BE THE OPTION ONE, SO I JUST WANTED TO. I DIDN'T HEAR A TIME FRAME, SO I JUST WANTED TO. YOU MADE THAT STATEMENT, BUT I WASN'T SURE THAT I HAD HEARD THAT FROM EVERYONE. SO I JUST WANTED TO 
          CLARIFY. >> SURE. >> SO YOU SAID YOU SAID SOONER. 
          >> BETTER TO APPOINT AN INTERIM. >> OKAY, WELL, OKAY THEN, BECAUSE THE INTERIM WAS NOT DISPUTE. SO THAT'S WHY. SO MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT OKAY. SO GOT IT. AND THEN. 
          REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE INTERNAL QUICKLY WAS THE TIME FRAME AND THEN FROM. RIGHT. 
          YES. YEAH. SO YES I'M TRACKING WITH YOU. THEN REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. IT'S RIGHT AWAY INTERIM AND APPOINT. I THINK YOU'RE SAYING APPOINT AND GO MOVE MOVE AHEAD. 
          >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND THE FIRST ONE I WAS IN THE MINORITY. 
          >> I SAID. >> TWO ON THE INTERIM. >> BUT YEAH. 
          >> YOU'RE NEARLY THERE. >> YES. >> SO YEAH. BEGIN THE RECRUITMENT NUMBER TWO. GOT IT. OKAY. AND THEN REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE COMMUNICATED 
          NOW READY TO START THE SEARCH RIGHT. YES. AND SO THAT'S. >> WHAT. 
          >> SO THEN THAT'S THAT'S THREE. THAT THAT I HAVE CHANGING THE ONE WHICH SOONER OR BETTER CHANGING THAT. SO I'LL COME BACK TO YOU. HELP ME UNDERSTAND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. YOU'RE SAYING FROM A RECRUITMENT OPTION STANDPOINT, WHAT'S YOUR DIRECTION? 
          >> OH, SORRY. >> NO WORRIES. WHAT'S YOUR DIRECTION ON RECRUITMENT 
          OPTIONS? >> ONE ONE. >> OKAY. AND THEN ANYONE ELSE? 
          DID I GET IT WRONG? MAYOR PRO. >> TEM. >> I WAS REALLY VAGUE ON THE ON MY FIRST ROUND OF THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, I WAS MORE WANTING TO SEE WHAT EVERYONE ELSE THOUGHT AND HAVING LISTENED TO EVERYBODY, I'LL GO WITH OPTION ONE ON THIS 
          PARTICULAR SLIDE. >> OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TAKE A POSITION? 
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          >> IT'S YES. >> YES YES SIR. >> YEAH. NO IT'S GOOD. 
          >> GO RIGHT AHEAD. >> INTERNAL NOW OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. SO HELP ME MACK. BUT I 
          SEE THAT AS. >> OH. >> FOUR NOW. FIVE NOW, AS FAR AS THE BEGIN RECRUITMENT AND OR. NO. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. YES. AND THEN TWO NOW. ONE NOW. 
          >> YEAH. BE BACK IN. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. 
          >> YES. OKAY. SO. THAT BEING THE CASE SO THERE'S A MAJORITY SAYS START RECRUITMENT. NOW MY QUESTION IS DOES THAT NECESSARILY CONFLICT WITH YOUR DIRECTION ON THE 12 MONTHS. 
          >> YES. >> RIGHT. >> IF YOU'RE GOING TO START A RECRUITMENT. YES. RIGHT. BECAUSE I MEAN IT COULD BE CONFUSING. YOU COULD HAVE THE INTERIM INTERESTED IN THE ROLE AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS WHILE THEY'RE ALSO DOING THE ROLE. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIT CONFLICTING FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL. 
          >> SURE. >> I MEAN, YOU CAN YOU CAN DO IT. IT'S JUST CHALLENGING, 
          RIGHT. >> STATE YOUR POINT OF CLARIFICATION. 
          >> THANK YOU. WHEN WE SAY NOW, CAN YOU LIST WHO SAID THAT? BECAUSE I AM STRUGGLING. WE HAVE A COUPLE MOVING PARTS AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR. 
          >> YES. AND SO SETTING SETTING ASIDE THE CANDIDATES SETTING ASIDE. SO YEAH. SO THE QUESTION IS STARTING FROM YES, WE'LL HAVE OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER. AND THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES THAT TOP PORTION THERE. OPTION ONE FULL RECRUITMENT RECRUITMENT AFTER 12 MONTHS. OR OPTION TWO RECRUIT ONLY AFTER CITY MANAGER DEPARTS. AND THEN THREE FULL RECRUITMENT IMMEDIATELY. OPTION THREE I HEARD REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. HOLLAND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. BEC REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. BYRD AND REPRESENTATIVE FROM. FIVE. AND THEN. YEAH. AND THEN YOUR OPTION ONE. 
          >> THOUGH, CORRECT? >> YEAH. >> WOULD YOU REVIEW DISTRICT 
          FIVE, PLEASE. >> ONE MORE TIME. YEAH. YEAH. >> SO I THINK YOU SAID THAT. 
          >> YEAH I'M SORRY. SO YOU'RE RIGHT. FOUR AND FIVE ARE THE SAME. BUT THERE ARE START RECRUITMENT NOW. SO 4 OR 5. TWO AND ONE ARE THE FOUR OKAY. 4 OR 5 TWO ONE. 
          >> AND THAT CHECKS OUT FOR EVERYBODY OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE FLIP FLOPPING BETWEEN INTERIM AND FULL TIME. CITY MANAGER WAS THROWING ME OFF A LITTLE BIT. 
          THAT SOUNDED CORRECT TO EVERYBODY FOR. YEAH, SO THAT SOUNDED CORRECT. EVERYBODY'S POSITION FELT CORRECT FOR THE PERMANENT CITY MANAGER PROCESS, NOT THE NOT THE INTERIM. 
          >> WHILE WE HAVE. NO, I DON'T WANT TO DELAY IT. OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. THE INTERIM. 
          >> AND START. >> WORKING ON. YEAH. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT 
          CLARIFICATION. >> YEAH. SO I MEAN AGAIN MY MY CONCERN REMAINS THE SAME. I THINK THERE ARE THERE ARE CONFLICTS. BUT IF IF THE MAJORITY DOESN'T SEE IT THE WAY YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. SO. THAT'S IT. EVERYONE'S LOCKED INTO THAT. NO ONE, NO ONE, NO CHANGE IS HEARTS AND MINDS BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE EFFECTS. AND I NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THAT. SO 4 OR 5, TWO ONE SAID OPTION THREE. SEEING 
          NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS. MADAM CITY MANAGER. >> SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T I'LL BE I'D BE IF I DON'T SAY THIS. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A RECRUITMENT STARTING THIS MONTH. IF YOU SAY START JANUARY, YOU'D BE BETTER OFF BECAUSE YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF THE HOLIDAYS AND EVERYTHING. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND $75,000, WHICH IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST YOU, YOU WANT TO DO A REALLY GOOD SEARCH. AND SO YOU WANT TO HAVE TAKE THE TIME TO LET HER DO HER DUE DILIGENCE IN BRINGING FORWARD 2 OR 3 FIRMS TO INTERVIEW. LET THEM BE PRESENT TO YOU WHAT HOW THEY RECRUIT, HOW THEY FOLLOW UP WITH YOU WITH CANDIDATES, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. AND THEN THAT TAKES FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS. IT'LL BE A MONTH, A 
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MONTH AND A HALF. SO YOU'RE GONNA YOU'LL, YOU'LL, YOU'LL BY DOING THAT STARTING IN JANUARY, YOU WILL A NEW MAYOR AND A NEW COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROBABLY HIRE THE PERSON. THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PICK THE FIRM, BUT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO HIRE THE PERSON. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT NOT TRYING TO PICK SIDES OR 
          ANYTHING. >> YEAH. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE THEN TWO. 
          >> IS OPTION THREE CONTINGENT UPON GOING OUTSIDE BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT AS THAT. 
          >> THERE'S NO CONTINGENCY. THE ASSUMPTION WOULD BE YES, YOU CAN CLARIFY. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT IT WOULD BE AN EXTERNAL RECRUITMENT. 
          >> OKAY, I THOUGHT I SAID IT, BUT LET ME LET ME CLEAN IT UP A LITTLE BIT. SO I AM NOT FOR AN OUTSIDE SEARCH. I AM FOR CHOOSING AN INTERNAL CANDIDATE. AND I WANT TO GET STARTED WITH PUTTING THE PERSON IN PLACE IMMEDIATELY. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? OKAY, FOR YOUR FOR YOUR 
          CALCULATION? I DO NOT WANT TO SEARCH. >> YEAH. NO. WE'LL SEE. WE'LL 
          SEE WHAT ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> YEAH. 
          >> MICROPHONE I THINK YOU MR. MAYOR. YEAH I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS. MY INITIAL COMMENTS BACK IN MY OPENING IS I, I THINK WE'RE SLIGHTLY CART BEFORE THE HORSE BECAUSE THERE'S THE WHOLE PROCESS THAT THAT'S GOING TO GOVERN. IF WE DO X THEN WE CAN'T DO Y. WE HAVE TO ONLY DO THESE OTHER THINGS. SO. THE WAY WE'VE BROKEN IT DOWN, I THINK IS, IS CREATING. YOU KNOW, WELL MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS IS THAT WE'RE ENDING UP CAMPS. NOT IN A BAD WAY, BUT I DO WANT TO PRAISE US ALL A LITTLE BIT. WE ARE HAVING SOME OF THE BEST DIALOG THAT WE'VE HAD IN A LONG TIME ON THIS. SO I THANK YOU ALL. IT'S IT'S ITCHY AND SCRATCHY, BUT WE'RE HAVING GOOD DIALOG. THANK YOU. SO I'M MY MY QUESTION TO STAFF ON ON CONTINUING OPTION THREE BEGINNING IMMEDIATELY IS TO ANSWER. AND SHE STEPPED OUT OF THE ROOM. BUT CERTAINLY SOMEBODY ELSE CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION AS WELL. AND THAT IS STARTING NOW. I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT IT'S IT'S IT'S THE WORST TIME TO START ANYTHING IN GOVERNMENT BETWEEN THE HOLIDAYS. BUT DOES STARTING NOW ACTUALLY MEAN IF WE JUST FOLLOW A NATURAL PROCESS, WE'RE PROBABLY JUST GOING TO DO INTERNAL PAPERWORK, WE'RE GOING TO START THINGS LOCALLY. WE'RE REALLY NOT GOING TO SPEND ALL THE MONEY AND DO ALL THE THINGS UNTIL JANUARY ANYWAY, WHICH WOULD BE IN LINE WITH AND AGAIN, SHE STEPPED OUT OF THE ROOM. 
          BUT HER RECOMMENDATION, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YEAH. WE WOULD START OUR ADMINISTRATIVE PIECES KIND OF BEHIND THE SCENES, RESEARCHING FIRMS GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH PURCHASING, AND THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BRING THOSE, THOSE FORWARD. USUALLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY MONEY OUT THE DOOR. AND USUALLY YOU'LL PAY THAT IN IN PHASES THROUGHOUT THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS. BUT WE'RE STILL I MEAN, Q2 OF THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING 
          OF Q3 BEFORE WE'RE AT THAT POINT. >> SO, YOU KNOW, GIVEN GIVEN THAT REALITY, IF WE IF WE WERE TO FORMALLY WAIT UNTIL JANUARY, WE WOULD DO THAT 2 OR 3 WEEKS OF OF PREP WORK AND IT WOULD BE LOOKING AT FEBRUARY. SO IF THE, IF THAT, IF THE GENERAL CONSENSUS, WHETHER INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL, I THINK WE SHOULD STILL ADDRESS THAT QUESTION IS THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK IT REALLY WE'RE NOT REALLY PRAGMATICALLY HURTING US TO SAY START NOW FOR ANY OF THOSE, BECAUSE WE CAN DO THE INTERNAL CHEAP WORK NOW. 
          >> NOW JUST MEANS WE'RE GOING TO START MAKING FORWARD MOVEMENT, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT 
          DOING ANY OF THAT RIGHT NOW. SO THAT THAT WOULD BE THE. >> THE NO. I THINK YOU EXACTLY. 
          AND I'LL PASS IT BACK TO THE MAYOR WITH THE, WITH THE REQUEST THAT WE DO MAYBE HAVE SOME THOUGHT ABOUT INTERNAL EXTERNAL BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO GUIDE OUR PROCESS. 
          >> YEAH. >> YEAH. NO. SO LET ME JUST SAY THIS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT NO ONE'S EVERYONE'S TALKED ABOUT I THINK EVERYONE'S CONTEMPLATING IT. NO ONE SAID IT. SO I'M GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN. THERE'S IN ESSENCE EITHER WATCHING THIS LIVE OR FOLLOWING UP WITH THIS 2000 EMPLOYEES THAT MAKE THIS CITY GO WATCHING THIS AND JUST TAKE A MOMENT, PAUSE IN YOUR DIRECTION TO THEN SAY, I WOULD LOVE TO WORK IN AN ORGANIZATION WHERE IT IS A GIANT BLIND CORNER, AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT TOMORROW BRINGS. RIGHT? I NO ONE WANTS THAT. THAT'S WHY TO ME, MY DIRECTION REMAINS THE SAME. TO HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY, TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE NEXT YEAR AND BE DILIGENT AND, AND, AND EVEN IF THAT'S A YEAR TIME FRAME TO HAVE A APPOINTMENT, AT LEAST THAT TELLS SOMEONE THAT'S ON THE BECAUSE THERE'S A NUMBER OF 
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PEOPLE THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR RETIREMENT THAT WILL PULL THE TRIGGER. RIGHT. AND SO IT'S LIKE, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, WE WANT THIS IS THE SAME PLACE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING FOR THE LAST 20, 30 YEARS. IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT. WE'RE GOING TO DO GREAT WORK. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE GREAT LEADERSHIP. BUT JUST THERE'S THERE'S NO SHIP THAT I'VE SEEN THE SIZE OF THIS CITY. 
          THAT'S $2.5 BILLION. THAT MAKES SHARP RIGHT TURNS. IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN AS NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WANT IT TO. AND SO I JUST THINK TO BE DELIBERATE IS THE KEY. AGAIN, I GET ONE SAY. 
          SO I JUST AGAIN WANT TO HAVE A CLEAR MESSAGE AND AND CLEAR POSITION ON THIS THAT THAT MAN, ANYONE THAT'S BEEN THROUGH ANY KIND OF SHAKEUP IN ANY ORGANIZATION, THIS IS THIS IS I MEAN, YOU'RE I MEAN THIS THIS IS REALLY SCARY. AND AND SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE FALLOUT. 
          AND SO TO THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING OR HEARING, PLEASE UNDERSTAND. THOSE CONCERNS ARE HEARD AND UNDERSTOOD. SO THAT SAID. PLEASE ONE MOMENT. THAT SAID, I DO THINK. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN OUTSIDE INSIDE SEARCH, BUT THAT DOES NOT TO ME CHANGE THE DIRECTION GIVEN ON RECRUITMENT. RIGHT? THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. WHETHER YOU RECRUIT ONLY IN THAT IT'S NOT A FULL RECRUITMENT, BUT IT'S A RECRUITMENT ALL THE SAME. YOU'D HAVE TO START NEGOTIATING THOSE THINGS. SO I GET IT. INSTEAD, INSERT THE WORD. IF YOU'RE FOR A PRO INTERNAL CANDIDATE, IT'S SHAPING THE ARGUMENT OR DISCUSSION. IT'S IT'S RECRUITMENT. REPLACE THAT WITH NEGOTIATIONS. BUT. I, I WOULD NEED TO HEAR FROM THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL. AND THIS IS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT INDIVIDUAL SPECIFIC. I NEED TO HEAR FROM THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL THAT YOU ALL ARE READY TO PAY TWO CITY MANAGERS, BECAUSE THERE'S NO. IF IF IT'S AN INTERNAL CANDIDATE, YOU DON'T NEED THE SEARCHES. THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FASTER AND WE'RE GOING STRAIGHT TO NEGOTIATION. SO I NEED TO HEAR FOR PEOPLE SAY I'M WILLING TO PAY TWO CITY MANAGER SALARIES TO TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. OTHERWISE IT'S IT'S DELAYED, RIGHT. JUST THE NATURE OF IT. RIGHT. SO THERE'S NO SENSE IN TALKING ABOUT. 
          >> CORRECT. >> PAYING TWO CITY MANAGERS INTERNAL CANDIDATE. IF THERE'S NOT FOUR PEOPLE THAT SAY I WANT TO PAY TWO CITY MANAGERS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO I DON'T I DON'T AGAIN, PHRASE IT HOWEVER YOU WANT. THERE'S ONE HEAD OF THIS ORGANIZATION. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEW HEAD OR THE SAME HEAD. BUT EITHER WAY. WE'RE GOING TO PAY TWO PEOPLE AND ONE'S GOING TO. GET A CHECK. SO I NEED TO HEAR FROM DIRECTION ON THAT BEFORE WE GO DOWN THAT ROAD, BECAUSE IT'S JUST I DON'T WANT TO EXPLORE THINGS THAT AREN'T 
          SUPPORTED. MAYOR PRO TEM. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR THE INTERNAL EXTERNAL DISCUSSION FOR THE PERMANENT CANDIDATE RECRUITMENT. I WOULD PREFER TO BE IN CLOSED SESSION FOR THAT 
          DISCUSSION. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT MY MY POINT IS THERE'S A BUDGETARY COMPONENT TO THAT BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THAT. AND SO ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE RESULTS OF 
          THAT BEING TWO SALARIES? >> I DON'T THINK I FOLLOWED WHICH ONE IS WHICH ON THAT. 
          WHICH ONE. IS YOUR SALARY? WHICH ONE'S NOT? >> IF IT'S A IF, CORRECT ME IF 
          I'M WRONG, AM I AM I SAYING IT WRONG? >> NO. YOU'RE ACCURATE. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO END UP IF YOU GO THROUGH AND YOU CAN TAKE OFF FULL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO JUST DO IT INTERNAL. SO IF YOU'RE DOING AN INTERNAL RECRUITMENT IMMEDIATELY, THAT MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS TIME BECAUSE THERE'S NOT AN RFP, YOU'RE NOT GOING THROUGH A SELECTION FOR AN EXTERNAL CONSULTANT. WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE MUCH FASTER. SO LIKELY THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE ON PAYROLL. AND WE WILL MAKE AN OFFER TO THE SELECTED CANDIDATE THAT COMES INTERNALLY. SO THEN 
          IN ESSENCE, YOU WILL BE PAYING TO CITY MANAGERS. >> HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. 
          LET ME LET ME GET THERE. LET ME LET ME SEE IF, IF WE'RE GOING DOWN THAT ROAD. SO MAYOR PRO 
          TEM THAT'S THE DIRECTION I NEED. >> I MEAN IT COULD BE. IT COULD BE LATER TO TO SARAH'S POINT, I MEAN, YOU COULD DO A FUTURE DATED EFFECTIVE DATE FOR THAT SELECTED CANDIDATE. 
          >> THAT'S WHERE TO GO. >> SO BASICALLY YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO BE IT, BUT NOT YET. 
          >> RIGHT. YES. YEAH. >> THAT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW IN THEORY. OKAY. I MAY JUST BE MAYBE I'M JUST I THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. BUT OKAY. SO IF THAT IF THAT'S IF THAT'S THE. YEAH. SO 
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I'LL JUST OPEN IT I DON'T WANT TO POISON THE POOL. SO YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. IS THAT EVERYTHING. 
          >> THAT'S IT WAS JUST THE OPINION THAT TO TALK EXTERNAL EXTERNAL INTERNAL FOR THE LONG TERM APPOINTMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO BE IN CLOSED SESSION FOR AT LEAST PART OF THAT. SO WE CAN 
          GET INTO SPECIFICS. SORRY. >> MACK. >> AGAIN, CLOSED SESSION IS JUST TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC CANDIDATES POTENTIALLY FOR THE POSITION. THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT LEVEL OF DISCUSSION IF YOU'RE JUST TALKING CONCEPTUALLY. YEAH, THAT'S AN OPEN DISCUSSION. BUT IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATES OR QUALIFICATION 
          CAPABILITIES, THAT'S A CLOSED SESSION. >> YES. 
          >> OKAY. SO. DO YOU HAVE A POSITION ON INTERNAL EXTERNAL. >> UNTIL WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION GETTING INTO SPECIFICS THAT WE CAN'T DO IN OPEN SESSION, I IT'S HARD FOR 
          ME TO HAVE AN OPINION JUST YET. >> OKAY. >> REPRESENTATIVES ONE. 
          >> SO WHEN I MADE MY INITIAL STATEMENT THAT WE DO INTERIM AND DO IT ASAP, NUMBER ONE, I THINK THAT WAS ON THE OTHER PAGE. AND THEN I MADE THE OPTION THREE, I DID NOT TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THE WORD FULL, SO. BUT IF I DON'T HAVE THE WORD FULL IN THERE, THEN THAT PUTS ME UP THERE TO OPTION ONE, RIGHT? BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH WAITING. I MEAN, I SEE 12 MONTHS OUT HERE SUCH AS 12 MONTHS, BUT THAT MAKES SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE WORKING INTERVIEW UNTIL IT'S TIME. SO WHEN OUR NEW INTERIM IS IN THERE DOING THE WORKING INTERVIEW, WHEN IT'S TIME FOR THAT PERSON TO BECOME THE FULL CITY MANAGER, THAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME. I DID NOT MEAN FOR US TO BEGIN THIS, NECESSARILY BEGIN THIS PROCESS THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK. THAT'S WHY I USE THE TERM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO LEAVE THAT CONSIDERATION OPEN. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE I DID A NUMBER ONE AND A NUMBER ONE. THAT'S WHAT 
          THAT'S WHERE I. >> AM FROM. THAT OKAY. >> NUMBER ONE, NUMBER ONE. 
          >> CONSENSUS JUST. >> CHANGED OKAY. >> NUMBER ONE I'M NUMBER ONE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. >> MANGO OKAY. SO THE CONSENSUS NOW AS WE GO AROUND JUST NOTE THE CONSENSUS NOW IS OPTION ONE CITY RECRUITMENT OPTIONS THAT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. SO CURRENT 
          STATE OF THE EVENTS. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. ANYONE ELSE. >> OPTION ONE. 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE OKAY. INTERNAL OPTION ONE. THANK YOU. I'M ALSO NUMBER ONE. 
          NUMBER TWO TO VICKI. >> BUT THANK YOU THANK YOU. >> SO THAT'S OKAY. 
          REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. >> SANDS MAYOR PRO TEM, DID WE WRAP UP THE DISCUSSION ON INTERNAL EXTERNAL OR ARE WE STILL THERE? 
          >> WE'VE NOT. SHE WANTS US. SHE WANTS TO SPEAK IN SPECIFICS AND WE'RE NOT THERE. WE'LL HAVE 
          NAMES. WE'D HAVE TO DO THAT AND CLOSE. SO WE'RE NOT THERE. >> OKAY. SO. I GUESS MY DIRECTION HINGES ON IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO INTERNAL. I WANT ONE THING. 
          IF WE'RE GOING TO DO EXTRA, I WANT ANOTHER THING. SO DOES THAT MEAN I'M DEFAULTING TO MAYOR PRO TEM POSITION? LET OKAY. SHE'S SHAKING HER HEAD. OKAY. SO I GUESS I GUESS I'M THERE UNTIL WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. I MEAN, I AM OBVIOUSLY OF THE OPINION THAT I WANT TO SELECT AN INTERNAL CANDIDATE, BUT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO SELECT THE INTERNAL CANDIDATE, THAT MEANS MY RECRUITMENT OPTIONS WILL BE SUBJECT TO CHANGE PENDING WHAT 
          THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL WANTS TO DO. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> IT DOES, BUT MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING AS I AS I GET THE INPUT. I NEED YOUR HELP TO TO HELP ME. DO MY VERY BEST. SO MY QUESTION IS THIS IF YOU APPOINT AN INTERIM, BUT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO BE THE CITY MANAGER 
          UNTIL A DATE CERTAIN, THEN. HOW DOES THAT HOW DOES. >> THAT COME APPOINTING A CITY MANAGER, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU DID? IF YOU SAY THAT. BECAUSE I TALKED ABOUT. 
          >> DELAYED, DELAYED LIKE A CITY, AN INTERIM IN WAITING. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT THEN HAVING A WORKING INTERVIEW, YOU'RE YOU'RE STILL SERVING UNDER THE CURRENT CITY MANAGER. LIKE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. EVALUATE. HOW DO YOU EVALUATE SOMEONE 
          WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE SAME THING? >> THAT WOULDN'T BE A WORKING INTERVIEW, THEN THAT WOULD BE GOING THROUGH A RECRUITMENT PROCESS AND THEN SELECTING A 
          CANDIDATE WITH A START DATE, A FUTURE START DATE. >> RIGHT. BUT WHAT I HEARD WAS 
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SOMEONE SAY THAT YOU APPOINT SOMEONE FOR SOME FUTURE DATE TO TAKE THE ROLE. DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT? I HEARD YOU SAY. I HEARD SOMEONE SAY THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. SO. BUT HOW DOES THAT HOW DO YOU THAT FUTURE DATE, DO YOU THEN APPOINT THAT SHORT OF THE TIME YOU WOULD MAKE A HIRE. 
          BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND IN THAT SCENARIO HOW YOU GET ACTUAL EXPERIENCE IN THE 
          POSITION. >> WELL YOU WOULDN'T I MEAN, UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY. IF IT'S AN INTERNAL CANDIDATE, SHE'S GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY. THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE EXPERIENCE. THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY. THEY HAVEN'T ACTUALLY FORMALLY BEEN 
          APPOINTED UNTIL THAT EFFECTIVE DATE THAT YOU AUTHORIZE. >> RIGHT. 
          >> YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S MY PROBLEM WITH THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS 
          PROCESSING IT. RIGHT. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT, FOR. >> MY POINT OF INFORMATION 
          SIMPLY WAS WHAT DO YOU HAVE ME DOWN AS? >> GOT IT. THANK YOU FOR 
          REMINDING ME. >> I WAS A YOUNG MAN THEN. >> YEAH. IT'S BEEN. YOU ARE YOUR INTERNAL SEARCH NOW, OKAY? MEANING? NOW MEANING BEGINNING FULL RECRUITMENT IMMEDIATELY. 
          ACTIONS. THAT'S SEARCH FIRM. THAT'S ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN ON THAT 
          ALONG THAT ROAD. >> OKAY? >> WE DON'T HAVE TO. 
          >> BUT THAT'S NOT INTERNAL. >> YEAH I'M SORRY. YOU'RE CORRECT. INTERNAL. YEAH IT 
          WOULD BE. IT WOULD BE DISCUSSION NEGOTIATION NOW. >> BUT INTERNAL CORRECT OKAY. 
          AND I LIKE THE TERM I WROTE THIS DOWN FUTURE DATE EVENTS. SO I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF PAYING THE SALARY, PAYING THE EQUIVALENT OF TWO CITY MANAGERS AT THE SAME TIME. I WOULD I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE THAT WE DO THIS PROCESS AND IT BECOME EFFECTIVE. I THINK IT'S MORE OR 
          LESS MAY 31ST. YEAH, ESSENTIALLY. >> SO IF I'LL SUSPEND THE RULES ON TALKING TO EACH OTHER AND ASK. SO YOU WOULD YOU WOULD HIRE SOMEONE FOR THAT POSITION. 
          HAVING THEM NEVER HAVE HAD THE ABILITY TO SERVE IN THAT POSITION. AND THAT'S JUST IN ALL SINCERITY, I JUST THAT THAT TO ME IS THE VALUE OF HAVING SOMEONE BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT 
          WHEN YOU HAVE A HEAD COACH AND YOU'RE LEARNING VERSUS. >> AND I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT, BUT BUT WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER, I FOUND COMPELLING THAT NOT EVERYBODY WANTS THIS GIG. NOT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT. TRUE. AND THE THE THE THREE. DCM ACMS THAT WE HAVE NOW, I THINK IT CERTAINLY THAT WE EXPECT THAT THEY UNDERSTAND IT. SURE. SO SO I THINK THOSE ARE I THINK THOSE THAT'S A GREAT POOL RIGHT OFF THE BAT. GOT IT. THEY KNOW THAT. THEY KNOW THEY'RE 
          GOING TO BE HERE TILL MIDNIGHT. >> GOT IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH I APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. >> JUST REALLY. 
          >> BRIEFLY THERE'S. THERE'S THIS DESIRE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND IT'S CONTINGENT ON AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT MAYOR PRO TEM ON THAT 
          IN ORDER TO PROMOTE THE DISCUSSION. >> ALL RIGHT I GET IT. THAT'S NAMES. BUT FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, I THINK WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT. SO BECAUSE WHO WHAT THE ROLE IS TO ME, JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHO FILLED THE ROLE, WHO FILLS THE ROLE. BECAUSE IF YOU'VE IF YOU'VE TRACKED ALONG, HERE'S WHAT I ANTICIPATE. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE. YOU KNOW BUT BUT HERE'S HERE'S HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IN MY LAST INTERVIEW, IN MY LAST REVIEW, I TOLD YOU EXACTLY THE HIERARCHY OF THINGS LIKE, WE'VE, WE'VE WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION. THAT'S THE THING THAT'S CRAZY TO ME IS SHE WAS EXPLICIT IN SAYING EXACTLY HER READ OF THE TEA LEAVES WHEN SHE TOLD US, AND WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THE EXACT SAME THING AGAIN. AND THEN I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, I TRULY DON'T. BUT WE'RE TO, TO TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. SO YOU WON'T I WON'T BE ABLE TO SAY I WON'T BE ABLE TO SAY I WAS RIGHT, BUT OFF WE GO. SO. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST CHALLENGING. 
          >> JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE ON TWO. OPTION ONE IS THE CONSENSUS. IS THAT RIGHT? 
          >> YEAH. I MEAN THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I WANT TO GET IT OUT OF THE WAY SO WE CAN BE DONE. SO IT'S JUST A PROCESS TO GET BACK TO WHERE WE 
          [1. Closed Meeting:]
ARE NOW. SO THANK YOU. SO WE'LL SET THE ROOM. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW AT 4:26 P.M. CONVENE IN CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE CLOSED MEETING ITEMS SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING ID 252157 DELIBERATE REGARDING PERSONNEL MATTERS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.074, THE AGENDA ITEM IS RELATED TO WORK SESSION ITEM ID 252158 AND WILL 
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BE A OH NEVER MIND. SO YEAH. SO WE'LL SET THE ROOM AND QUESTION SO THAT I CAN, WELL, YOU KNOW, PARSE IT OUT. SO REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX, OPTION ONE. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE. DISTRICT FOUR OKAY. AND THEN MAYOR PRO 
          TEM. >> OPTION ONE OKAY. >> AND THEN REPRESENTATIVE 
          DISTRICT TWO. >> BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS YOU'VE HAD. I'LL GO WITH OPTION 
          ONE AS WELL. >> OKAY. ONE OKAY ONE OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THEN SO IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. AND SO THIS IS WHAT'S BEFORE US. AND SO IT'S. ON THIS SECOND QUESTION FOR ME. I I'M GOING TO GO WITH A VERSION OF OPTION ONE. AND SO IT'S I WANT TO I WANT TO ASK YOU TO REACH OUT TO A RECRUITING FIRM AND HAVE US HAVE THEM CONSULT WITH US ON OPTIONS, APPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW, JUST TO EDUCATE US ON THE TALENT POOL THAT WE WOULD LIKELY DRAW. AND THEN INCLUDING IN THAT WOULD BE INTERVIEWING THE INTERIM. AND THEN WE'D HAVE A CLOSED SESSION DISCUSSION. OKAY. OKAY. DIRECTION. MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          >> I SUPPORT THAT OPTION. >> OKAY. DISTRICT ONE. OPTION ONE OKAY. COUNCILMAN JESTER. 
          OPTION ONE. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE ONE. OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE HOLLAND ONE. 
          THANK YOU. AND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> JUST JUST MINOR CLARIFICATION. IS OPTION ONE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, MR. MAYOR, OR WE'RE ALL 
          AGREEING THAT IT'S WHAT YOU SAID IS OPTION ONE. >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS OPTION ONE AS WRITTEN THERE WHEN THEY SAID OPTION ONE AND PEOPLE CAN CORRECT ME WHERE I'M WRONG, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. THEY DIDN'T THEY DIDN'T SAY OTHER THAN MAYOR PRO TEM DID NOT GIVE A DISTINCTION. SO I'M SAYING I READ IT TO SAY WHAT'S WRITTEN THERE. 
          >> I'M JUST FOR CLARITY. I'M GOING TO SIDE AND SAY WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, OKAY. AND I AGREE 
          WITH MAYOR PRO TEM. GOT IT, MR. MAYOR? >> YES, SIR. 
          >> AND I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH WITH THE DESCRIPTION THAT YOU LAID OUT. 
          >> OKAY. GOT IT. NO, I THOUGHT WHEN YOU SAID ONE, I'M THINKING ONE IS WRITTEN THERE VERSUS THE 
          VARIABLE. >> FOR ONE. >> FOR FOR THE OTHER EITHER. 
          >> EITHER WAY THERE'S FOUR. THERE'S FOUR OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. SO THE VARYING VARIABLE THAT 
          GOT IT OKAY. AND WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED. >> THAT'S IT. 
          >> YES. ALL'S WELL. >> THAT ENDS WELL OKAY. >> DID YOU SAY THAT. 
          >> OKAY. >> SO ANYTHING ANYTHING SO THAT THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORK SESSION. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS TOPIC THAT THAT WE NEED OKAY. >> I'M JUST DOESN'T MATTER FOR ME BECAUSE I'M NOT REALLY PART OF THE DISCUSSION. BUT SO YOU'RE GOING TO DO ONE YOU'RE 
          GOING TO GO AHEAD AND APPOINT SOMEBODY. >> CORRECT. 
          >> AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO LET THEM WORK. OH I'M SORRY I'M THINKING WE'RE STILL IN. SO AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO LET THEM WORK FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH A RECRUITER TO SEE HERE'S THE PROCESS. HERE'S HOW WE HANDLE IT. COME BACK AND 
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          TELL THE COUNCIL. >> TO CONSULT. >> CORRECT. YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO UNDERSTAND THE THE ENVIRONMENT, UNDERSTAND THAT THAT PERSON HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE IN THE HOT SEAT. AND AND SO THEY'LL TALK TO ALL THOSE THINGS, COME BACK, REPORT TO US AND WE'LL MAKE A DECISION OKAY. NEXT STEPS. SO IF YOU COULD HELP US GET THOSE 
          THINGS. >> I SURE WILL. WE'LL BRING YOU MORE THAN ONE SO THAT YOU ALL CAN SELECT THOUGH, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT YOU'VE DECIDED ON THAT YOU WANT TO 
          SPEAK WITH SPECIFICALLY. YEAH. >> NO, I HAVE AN UNCLE THAT'S IN THE BUSINESS. 
          >> I I'M OUT OF THAT ONE. >> NO, NO. OKAY. GREAT. THEN THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORK SESSION AT 516. WE'LL RECONVENE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 630. AND LU 
          [AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED:]
ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO OUR SPEAKERS. IF WE COULD PLAY THE 
          [2. PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC]
          VIDEO FOR ADDRESSING COUNCIL, PLEASE. >> THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, INCLUDING A CODE OF CONDUCT THAT APPLIES TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBERS. THESE RULES WERE ENACTED TO PROMOTE AN ORDERLY PROCESS AND TO PRESERVE DECORUM. SPEAKERS WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE A SCHEDULED REPORT AND FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE AN OPEN MIC REPORT. A BELL WILL RING WHEN TIME HAS EXPIRED. IF THE REMARKS ARE NOT CONCLUDED BY THAT TIME, THE SPEAKER WILL BE ASKED TO STOP SPEAKING. IF THE SPEAKER DOES NOT CEASE AND A SECOND REQUEST IS MADE, THE MAYOR MAY REQUEST TO HAVE THE SPEAKER REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER. SPEAKERS SHOULD NOT APPROACH THE DAIS. IF A SPEAKER HAS MATERIALS FOR THE COUNCIL, PLEASE NOTIFY THE CITY SECRETARY IN ADVANCE FOR SCHEDULED REPORTS. THE COUNCIL MAY INITIATE DISCUSSION OR ASK QUESTIONS FOR NONSCHEDULED OPEN MIC REPORTS. THE COUNCIL MAY LISTEN, HOWEVER, BECAUSE NO NOTICE OF THE SUBJECT OF THE OPEN MIC REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC IN ADVANCE. THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR DECISION BY THE COUNCIL ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS. AS A RESULT, THE COUNCIL MAY ONLY PROCEED AS FOLLOWS ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS PROPOSED TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. MAKE A STATEMENT OF FACTUAL POLICY OR A RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY. SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO DIRECT ALL REMARKS AND QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE, AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MAKING ABUSIVE, PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE, OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS. ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE MAY BE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE. COPIES OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY SECRETARY. 
          >> GREAT. FIRST SPEAKER IS CHERIE REESE. CHERIE REESE? YEP. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE 
          YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. OKAY, GREAT. >> I'M SHOCKED THAT THIS MANY PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN REDUCING OUR SPEED LIMIT, SO I THINK IT'S GREAT. SO I'M HERE AS A NEIGHBOR AND OWNER OF A HOME IN EAST OAKS, AND WE WERE SO SURPRISED WHEN WE CAME OUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND NOTICED THAT OUR THERE ARE NOW SPEED LIMIT SIGNS THAT SAY 30MPH. AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A STATE LAW, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE'S WAYS THAT MAYBE WE CAN REDUCE THIS. SO IT'S A VERY SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD. THE STREETS ARE LIKE A QUARTER OF A MILE LONG EACH STREET. AND SO WHEN YOU DO 30 NOW THAT IS VERY FAST, RAPID, AND BEING 20 AND LIVING THERE FOR OWNING THE HOME FOR 20 YEARS, WE ALL THOUGHT IT WAS 20. SO WE WERE SHOCKED WHEN WE NOTICED THAT IT'S NOW 30 AND PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY, IN OUR ESTIMATION, SPEEDING. SO WE'RE LIKE, HOLD ON, THIS IS NOT RIGHT. THERE'S YOUNG KIDS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S PLAYING IN THERE. SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS ON HOW WE CAN GET THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS REDUCED. SO 
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WE HAVE OUR SAFETY ISSUES IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD. HAS THESE CHILDREN AT PLAY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS MIXED. AND IT USED TO BE WELL, IT NEVER USED TO BE. BUT ANYWAY, THERE'S A LOT OF RETIRED PEOPLE. AND THEN NOW WE'VE GOT YOUNGER PEOPLE MOVING IN WITH KIDS. AND SO OUR YARDS ARE NOT THAT LARGE. SO THE KIDS ARE PLAYING IN THE STREET. SO WHEN YOU'VE GOT CARS COMING DOWN 30MPH, CARS PARKED BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, THAT'S A DANGEROUS SCENARIO. 
          AND SO I FOUND IN THE IT'S CALLED THE NATIONAL ACADEMIES PRESS. AND THEY DID A REPORT ON THE EFFECTS OF SPEED. AND SO THE ONE THING THAT I THOUGHT WAS VERY INTERESTING THAT IF YOU HAVE AN ACCIDENT AND GOING 20 TO 25, THERE ARE VERY LESS SEVERE RESULTS FOR THE PERSON WHO'S BEEN HIT BY THE CAR. SO IF YOU GO FROM 20MPH, IT'S 46% CHANCE OF HAVING JUST A MODERATE INJURY, AND THEN IT GOES UP TO 18% OF HAVING A SERIOUS INJURY. AND THIS IS AT 20 MILES AN HOUR FROM 30 TO 33, IT'S 50% CHANCE OF A SERIOUS INJURY. THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE ABOUT HAVING ANY MODERATE INJURY. SO IN OUR ESTIMATION IT'S LIKE, WOW, YOU KNOW, GOING JUST THAT MUCH FOR THESE YOUNG KIDS AND DOG WALKERS AND OLDER PEOPLE WERE ALL OUT WALKING AROUND. SO SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE DROVE AROUND DENTON AND WE TOOK SOME SHOTS OF STREETS THAT ARE ALSO MARKED AT 30MPH. SO FOREST RIDGE, EXCUSE ME, IS A LARGE, LARGER BUT THEY HAVE DIVIDED HIGHWAY WITH A MEDIAN GOING DOWN IT, AND AN ENTIRE BIKE LANE WHERE A CAR IS PARKED IN IT, AND THAT'S MARKED AT 30MPH. WIND RIVER IS THREE LANES, WITH A TWO FULL LANES AND A CENTER LANE FOR TURNING ALSO 30MPH. OUR STREETS ARE IN THE CENTER OAK VALLEY AT PAISLEY, AND THIS IS WHERE THE CARS PARK ALONG. THIS IS TAKEN IN THE AFTERNOON, SO PEOPLE WERE AT WORK, BUT IN THE EVENING THE CARS ARE PARKED ALONG THE STREET, BOTH SIDES, AND YOU LITERALLY HAVE TO STOP BEFORE TURNING IN THERE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOBODY COMING ON AT YOU. AND THEN OAK VALLEY AGAIN, ANOTHER SHOT, AND THERE'S A CALMING DEVICE WHERE IT COMES OUT THAT'S A MAILBOXES ARE SET UP THERE. AND THEN TIMBER TRAIL IS IN EAST OAKS. AND THAT'S A TOTAL PICTURE OF OUR STREETS. SO AGAIN WE WENT OUT AND WE MEASURED THE STREETS. AND THEY ARE 24FT ACROSS. BUT AN AVERAGE CAR IS LIKE SIX FOOT. SO IF YOU HAVE TWO CARS PARKED THAT'S 12 FOOT, SO YOU GOT 12FT FOR TWO CARS. SO YOU'VE GOT VERY LITTLE ROOM FOR PASSING. SO IT'S DANGEROUS. AND THEN HOBSON LANE IS A TWO LANE ROAD AND THAT IS. 
          THE REASON WE TOOK THAT PICTURE. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WE TOOK THAT PICTURE BECAUSE THERE'S LIKE NO STOP SIGN. SO IT'S A FULL THOROUGHFARE. SO GOING 30MPH DOWN THERE, MOST PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY TRAVELING 30 TO 40 BECAUSE I GO TO CHURCH THERE. AND SO WE WATCH THEM ZOOM BY AND ON COLORADO BOULEVARD. THAT'S A MEDIAN FOUR LANES. MOCKINGBIRD IS THE CLOSEST STREET THAT'S IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT IS TWO LANES WITH TWO MAJOR BIKE PATHS ON EACH SIDE. AND AGAIN, THAT'S 30MPH. SO THE WHOLE POINT OF ALL THESE IS THAT 30MPH CAN BE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS. SO FOR US IT'S A VERY RAPID FOR SOME OF THESE STREETS. 
          IT'S IT'S THE RIGHT THING. IT SHOULD BE 30MPH OKAY. >> AND THAT'S THE TIME. WE DO 
          HAVE A QUESTION. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MISS 
          REESE, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO TRANSPORTATION SERVICES? >> YOU KNOW, I LEFT A CALL WITH 
          THEM, AND NOBODY EVER CALLED ME BACK. >> MR. DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, COULD WE GET TRANSPORTATION SERVICES TO TO TALK WITH MISS REESE? I APPRECIATE THAT, THANK 
          YOU. >> OKAY. YES. SOMEONE WILL BRING YOU A BUSINESS CARD AND WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT. I DO WANT I DO WANT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND, THOUGH, SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THE TWO CARS PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD SLOWS PEOPLE DOWN, BUT THEN YOU WANT TO HAVE A SPEED LIMIT 
          CHANGE. >> TO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT TO 20, RIGHT? RIGHT. WELL, YOU HAVE TO SLOW DOWN. ARE YOU SLOWING DOWN? BUT YOU'RE NOT BREAKING THE LAW BY NOT SLOWING DOWN. AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ENFORCE IT? SO IF I'M DOING 30 I'M NOT BREAKING THE LAW. 
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          >> RIGHT. >> BUT IT'S DANGEROUS, RIGHT? >> SO GOT IT. I'LL JUST TELL YOU THAT. SO FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, JUST I'VE LEARNED THAT THE NARROWING OF THE STREETS IS BECAUSE PEOPLE IGNORE SPEED LIMITS. THEY SHOULDN'T SHAME ON THEM. 
          BUT BUT THAT SO THAT YOU HAVE TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE IT FORCES THEM TO SLOW DOWN. 
          I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT FROM MY EXPERIENCE. AND SO STAFF WILL DO A BETTER JOB GIVING YOU THE DATA FOR THAT AND WORKING THROUGH THAT WITH YOU. BUT I DID WANT TO SET THE SET THE EXPECTATIONS. WE CAN'T CONTROL DRIVERS HABITS, BUT WE CAN CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT THAT CHANGES DRIVERS HABITS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO DO TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP FOLKS SAFE. 
          BUT BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY HAVE STAFF ENGINEERS WORK WITH YOU AND MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW UP AND 
          HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO SEE WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO TO HELP. >> OKAY, SO THERE IS A PROTOCOL 
          TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION. >> YES. IF SOMEONE'S GOING TO THE STAFF, STAFF WILL. BUT MAN, 
          IS THIS REALLY FAST. I MEAN REALLY FAST OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM. >> CAN YOU CLARIFY EXACTLY WHERE THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS WERE NOT AND NOW ARE? WHAT STREET WAS IT. 
          >> THAT'S ON ALL THE STREETS? >> OH, ALL THE STREETS NEAR MOCKINGBIRD, PAISLEY IN THE 
          EAST OAKS NEIGHBORHOOD. >> OAKS TIMBER TRAIL AND OAK, OAK, OAK VALLEY AND OAK TRAIL. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> AND LATIMORE TOO, AS YOU'RE COMING IN. 
          >> COUNCILMAN FROM DISTRICT. OH. YOU'RE GOOD. >> MY QUESTION IS MUCH THE SAME. 
          IT SAYS HERE EAST OAK STREET. IS THAT IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT? 
          >> NO, THAT'S THE NAME. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS EAST OAKS. >> EAST OAKS? 
          >> YES. IS OUR NAME. >> THAT'S THE ERROR. IT'S MY MY AGENDA SAYS OAK. SINGULAR. 
          >> OH. >> THAT'S MY CONFUSION. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO THEY'LL BRING YOU A BUSINESS CARD. >> OKAY. 
          >> YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. YEAH. HE'S RIGHT. HE'S RIGHT THERE. GREAT. SECOND SPEAKER IS. TRACY DUCKWORTH. TRACY DUCKWORTH OKAY. YEAH. NO, I'M WITH YOU. I JUST GOT TO DO THE THINGS. THEN NEXT SPEAKER IS URBAN RODRIGUEZ, IF YOU. YES, SIR. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND. GIVE YOUR NAME, 
          YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> MY NAME IS URBAN RODRIGUEZ. AND. ON OCTOBER 29TH, 2019, I WAS SHOT IN THE LINE OF DUTY. IN THE HEAD, THE LEG, AND RAN OVER. AND THE PERSON WHO SHOT ME, IT. IT CHANGED MY LIFE FOREVER. MY RECOVERY. HAS BEEN A BATTLE. I HAVE. I HAD HALF MY SKULL REMOVED, FOUR BRAIN SURGERIES. THAT COULD HAVE KILLED ME. I HAVE. I HAD A SHATTERED LEG THAT WAS FIXED WITH A METAL ROD AND A PERMANENT SHUNT TO MY BRAIN. 
          THE PAIN WAS AT TIMES UNBEARABLE. AND OR. BUT I SURVIVED AND I'M STILL HERE. 
          AFTER. AFTER COMING HOME, I TRIED TO DO MULTIPLE THERAPIES AND. MOST OF MOST FOCUSED ON TEACHING ME HOW TO LIVE WITH MY INJURY INSTEAD OF OVERCOMING THEM. TRADITIONAL THERAPY TAUGHT ME HOW TO. LIVE OR HOW TO WORK AROUND MY DISABILITY. BUT NOT HOW TO ACTUALLY RECOVER FROM WHAT I LOST. THEN I FOUND REACT. IT'S A NEURO GYM THAT WORKS WITH BRAIN INJURIES AND 
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MULTIPLE OTHER INJURIES. REACT IS A IT. REACT IS DIFFERENT. UNLIKE TRADITIONAL THERAPY, NEURO GYMS FOCUS ON. FOCUS ON THE BRAIN'S ABILITY TO REWIRE ITSELF AND FORM NEW CONNECTIONS. 
          AFTER. AFTER THE INJURY AT REACT, I'M NOT JUST MANAGING MY DISABILITY, BUT ACTIVELY RETRAINING MY NERVOUS SYSTEM. THROUGH HARD WORK AND EXERCISE. DESIGNED FOR BRAIN INJURY RECOVERIES. REACT. DIDN'T JUST CHANGE MY LIFE. CHANGE MY THERAPY. I'M SORRY. BUT. THE APPROACH CHANGED MY LIFE. SINCE I'VE BEEN SHOT. FOR THE FIRST TIME, I FOUND PROFESSIONALS THAT BELIEVED I WOULD GET BETTER, NOT JUST MANAGE MY DISABILITY. 
          >> YOU CAN FINISH YOUR STATEMENT. >> IT AND I HAVE GOTTEN BETTER THROUGH HARD WORK AT REACT. I'VE REGAINED MY MOBILITY TO. WALK AND DO DAILY ACTIVITIES. 
          THAT ONCE SEEMED IMPOSSIBLE. I CONTINUE TO MAKE REAL PROGRESS AND DIRECTLY AFFECT MY ABILITY TO BE THERE FOR MY CHILDREN, WHO ARE THE REASON I'M FIGHTING FOR EVERY SINGLE DAY. I HAVE A 
          LITTLE BIT MORE. >> YES, SIR. BY ALL MEANS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE MY WORKMAN'S COMP COVERAGE. FOR THIS THERAPY HAS BEEN STOPPED DUE TO. 
          PROBLEMS WITH LOGISTICS. I UNDERSTAND THE MONEY SITUATIONS OR CONCERNS, AND I WANT THE COUNCIL TO KNOW I AM ASKING FOR HELP TO STAY WHERE I'M AT. I'M OH I AM. I'M ASKING FOR. ASKING FOR SUPPORT TO KEEP IMPROVING WITHOUT CONTINUED THERAPY FOR MY BRAIN INJURY AND MY MY BODY WILL BREAK DOWN AND MUCH FASTER THAN NORMAL. THIS THERAPY HAS. THIS THERAPY. ISN'T POSSIBLE OR ISN'T OPTIONAL. THIS. IT'S WHAT ALLOWS ME TO BE A FATHER TO MY CHILDREN. JUST DESERVING. MY CHILDREN DESERVE AND TO LIVE WITH DIGNITY AND PURPOSE. I'M OR I'VE LOST A GREAT DEAL. OVER 
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THE LAST SIX YEARS, AND I'VE, I OR I HAVEN'T LOST THE WILL TO FIGHT. I MAY NEVER BE A DAD. I. 
          I WAS ONCE. DAD. I WAS BEFORE I WAS SHOT AND STILL FIGHTING TO SURVIVE AND TRULY MAKE A LIFE. 
          I'M ASKING THIS COUNCIL TO HELP ME TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT AND SUPPORT MY ACCESS TO MY CARE AT 
          REACT. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, I AM URBAN RODRIGUEZ. >> YES, SIR. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU. 
          SO. 
          SO STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, MAKING SURE WE NEED WE NEED YOUR HELP ON SOME STUFF. AND WE'VE ALL BATTLED INSURANCE COMPANIES AND ALL THE THINGS. BUT HELP US OUT AND WE'LL MAKE SURE WE CAN GET YOU WHAT WE NEED. AND SO STAFF WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT, SPEAKER, LAURA COTE, AM I CLOSE? YES. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN, GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. 
          >> MY NAME IS LAURA COTE. HELLO, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS LAURA COTE AND I LIVE IN DISTRICT THREE. I'M A UNC ALUMNA AND I HAVE BEEN IN TOWN FOR SIX YEARS, AND I HAVE LIVED IN HOUSTON MY WHOLE LIFE BEFORE. TODAY I WILL SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT SENATE BILL EIGHT GOING INTO EFFECT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IN JANUARY. AS I HOPE YOU ARE AWARE, THIS BILL FORCES COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICES INTO 287 DEPUTIZATION AGREEMENTS WITH ICE. I AM HERE TODAY TO BEG THAT THIS COUNTYWIDE AGREEMENT BE THE ABSOLUTE EXTENT OF THE CITY OF DENTON'S COLLABORATION WITH ICE, AND THAT YOU ALL TAKE ACTION TO PREVENT DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT FROM ENTERING INTO ITS OWN VERSION OF THE 287 AGREEMENT, WHICH WOULD INVITE VIOLENCE INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND CREATE WIDESPREAD FEAR. I WORK AT A SCHOOL. IN THIS SCHOOL YEAR ALONE, I HAVE SEEN INNOCENT CHILDREN'S LIVES COMPLETELY UPENDED BY ICE. THE MOST NOTABLE EXAMPLE OF THIS IS A STUDENT OF MINE WHO HAD TO MOVE BACK TO VENEZUELA BECAUSE HER FATHER WAS DEPORTED AFTER BEING HELD IN A DETENTION CENTER FOR THREE MONTHS THE ENTIRE TIME HER FATHER WAS HELD IN THE DETENTION CENTER. MY STUDENT HAD A POSITIVE ATTITUDE ABOUT SCHOOL AND CONTINUED LIFE AS USUAL, WHICH IS SOMETHING I ADMIRE HER FOR AND A STRENGTH THAT NOT MANY PEOPLE POSSESS. 
          WHEN I SPOKE WITH HER BEFORE SHE LEFT, I TOLD HER THAT SHE SHOULD BE PROUD OF BEING VENEZUELAN AND THAT THE PEOPLE OF VENEZUELA ARE THE EXACT SAME AS THE PEOPLE OF TEXAS AND THE UNITED STATES, AND THAT BORDERS CANNOT DETERMINE WHO IS A GOOD PERSON AND WHO IS EVIL. GOOD AND EVIL CAN ONLY BE DETERMINED BY HOW YOU TREAT OTHERS. AND I DIDN'T TELL HER THIS BECAUSE I CAN'T, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT TO BE TRUE. AS ICE KIDNAPS INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THE STREETS, BRUTALIZES THEM, DEFIES LAWS, DEFIES COURT ORDERS, FABRICATES WARRANTS, PROFILES PEOPLE BASED ON RACE, AND FORCES THEM INTO CAMPS WITH POOR CONDITIONS FOR MULTIPLE MONTHS. IT CAN BE DETERMINED THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, EVERYONE IN IT, AND EVERYONE WHO IS COMPLICIT IN THEIR OPERATIONS IS EVIL. AND SO ARE THE PEOPLE. MANUFACTURING CONSENT TO INVADE THE SOVEREIGN COUNTRY OF VENEZUELA, WHERE MY STUDENT HAS JUST RETURNED TO AS VENEZUELAN AIRSPACE HAS BEEN CLOSED, AND 11 U.S. WARSHIPS AND 15,000 TROOPS APPROACHED VENEZUELA IN 
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THE CARIBBEAN. I AM PRAYING FOR THE SAFETY OF MY STUDENT AND ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF VENEZUELA, BUT THE SUFFERING OF MANY VENEZUELAN PEOPLE STARTS RIGHT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, WHERE THE TEMPORARY PROTECTED STATUS OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF VENEZUELANS WAS REVOKED EARLY AND WITHOUT WARNING THROUGH EXECUTIVE ORDER, LEAVING THEM SUBJECT TO DEPORTATION LONG BEFORE THEIR PROTECTED STATUS WAS SCHEDULED TO END. CAN YOU SEE THE PATTERN? WE ARE UNFAIRLY AND VIOLENTLY KICKING VENEZUELANS OUT OF OUR COUNTRY TO GO BACK TO A PLACE WE ARE THREATENING WITH WAR AND ICE ARE THE FACILITATORS AND PERPETRATORS OF THIS VIOLENT PROCESS, AND SHOULD THEREFORE NOT BE ALLOWED IN OUR CITY AS PUBLIC SERVANTS. EACH OF YOU HAVE A VOICE AND POWER TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST ISIS ABDUCTIONS AND IMMORAL ACTIONS. YOUR VOICE MEANS MORE THAN MINE AND CAN REACH FARTHER. SO YOUR SILENCE IS COMPLICITY. I CAN STATE NOW, IF YOU ALLOW DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ESTABLISH A 287 AGREEMENT WITH ICE, YOU SHOULD NOT BE REELECTED. JUST REMEMBER THAT EVERY PARENT ABDUCTED BY ICE IS ANOTHER INNOCENT CHILD'S LIFE DISTURBED. AND TO ALLOW THIS IS UNFORGIVABLE. BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY AND USE YOUR POWER TO PREVENT FURTHER COLLABORATION OF THE CITY OF DENTON WITH ICE. STAND UP FOR 
          WHAT IS RIGHT AND SAY NO TO ANY AND ALL. FUTURE 287 AGREEMENTS. >> THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS CHANCE HARRINGTON. YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          >> HELLO CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS CHANCE HARRINGTON AND I CURRENTLY LIVE IN DISTRICT TWO HERE IN DENTON. TONIGHT I'M HERE REPRESENTING MY FAMILY AND MY NEIGHBORS, AND I AM USING MY TIME TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE NO FURTHER COLLABORATION WITH ICE HAPPENS IN DENTON. DENTON HAS ALREADY REQUIRED BY SENATE BILL EIGHT. I HAVE LIVED IN THE CITY FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS, AND EVEN BEFORE THAT I GREW UP AROUND IT. MY DAD WORKED AT UNT MY WHOLE LIFE AND THROUGH HIM I SAW THAT DENTON WAS A CITY WHERE PEOPLE BELIEVED IN THEIR DREAMS. IT WAS A TOWN FULL OF ART, FULL OF MUSIC, FULL OF LAUGHTER AND LIFE. IT'S A PLACE WHERE THE NEEDS OF BUSINESSES, FAMILIES AND VERY DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES COULD ALL BE TREATED WITH EQUAL RESPECT. AFTER I MOVED HERE PERMANENTLY FROM MY OWN EDUCATION, I GOT TO SEE FIRSTHAND HOW DENTON CITY COUNCIL WOULD TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING. I REMEMBER VOLUNTEERING FOR THE ANTI-FRACKING CAMPAIGN AND BEING SO PROUD WHEN OUR CITY VOTED TO BAN FRACKING WITHIN DENTON CITY LIMITS IN 2014, AND THEN LESS THAN A YEAR LATER, THE TEXAS STATE GOVERNMENT MADE THAT BAN UNENFORCEABLE WITH THEIR HOUSE BILL 40. I REMEMBER A SIMILAR PRIDE WHEN 70% OF VOTERS OVER CONFLICTING. 
          >> ONE SECOND OF YOUR TIME. I GOT AN EMERGENCY. IS THERE A PAUL THAT HAS A WIFE THAT'S DOWNSTAIRS WAITING? YEAH. THEY NEED YOU OUTSIDE. POLICE ARE. THANK YOU. SORRY. GO RIGHT 
          AHEAD. >> AND HERE WE ARE NOW, AT THE END OF 2025, TEXAS SENATE BILL EIGHT LOOMS LARGE. AS OF JANUARY 20TH, AT JANUARY 1ST, 2026, THIS LAW WILL REQUIRE ALL TEXAS COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENTS TO COLLABORATE WITH ICE AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS POSSIBLE, REGARDLESS OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. THIS LAW WILL INCLUDE THE DENTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND MY IMPRESSION OF THE CURRENT DENTON COUNTY SHERIFF IS THAT HE WAS MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THE BIDDING OF ICE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY THE MOST BLOATED, OVERFUNDED ROTTEN FEDERAL AGENCY IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES. ICE IS NOT HERE TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF DENTON. THEY ARE NOT HERE TO ENFORCE THE LAW. THEY ARE DEFINITELY NOT HERE TO ASSIST IN THE COMPLEX AND DIFFICULT REALITIES OF IMMIGRATION, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION HERE IN NORTH TEXAS. WE HAVE SEEN THE WAY ICE OPERATES. THERE IS NO MORAL WAY TO DO WHAT ICE WANTS TO DO AT THE SCALE THEY WANT TO DO IT. WE KNOW THAT THEY DO NOT OBEY THE CONSTITUTION. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE RIGHTS GUARANTEED TO EVERY HUMAN BEING LIVING IN THIS LAND. IT IS A TRAGEDY AND A FARCE THAT THE TEXAS STATE GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO SCORE POLITICAL POINTS WITH A MINORITY OF TIRED AND FEARFUL VOTERS BY ALLOWING THIS CORRUPT FEDERAL AGENCY TO MANDATE COOPERATION FROM OUR LOCAL AUTHORITIES. DENTON CITY COUNCIL, I KNOW THAT YOU CANNOT STOP SB EIGHT FROM FORCING THE DENTON COUNTY GOVERNMENT'S 
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COLLABORATION WITH ICE, BUT YOU CAN MINIMIZE THEIR THREAT, AND YOU CAN MAKE DENTON AN UNFAVORABLE TARGET OF ICE. YOU CAN ADVISE YOUR CITY MANAGER TO INSTRUCT THE DENTON CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT THERE WILL BE NO COOPERATION WITH ICE OR ITS PROXIES. THAT IS WITHIN YOUR POWER. YOU CAN STAND UP FOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND MAKE SURE OUR DEMOCRATIC WILL IS OBSERVED BY OUR REPRESENTATIVES, AND STOP THIS GOVERNMENT OVERREACH FROM MAKING THE LIVES OF OUR NEIGHBORS A LIVING HELL. DO NOT LET THE DENTON CITY POLICE GET ROPED INTO THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND INHUMANE SCHEME FROM POLITICIANS WHO DO NOT CARE ABOUT US. WE DO NOT 
          WANT ICE IN DENTON. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRIS WATTS. YOU CAN COME DOWN 
          AND GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> MY TIME ALREADY STARTED. 
          OKAY. WELL, MY NAME IS CHRIS WATTS. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE DATA THAT THE STUDY PRESENTED, THAT STAFF PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL REGARDING THE MONEY THAT WE'VE SPENT AND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE HAVE NOT OBTAINED IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS. AFTER MY ELECTION IN 2022, I PUT FORTH A PROPOSAL FOR A PUBLIC FINANCE CORPORATION, WHICH WOULD HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THIS STUDY THAT WAS PRESENTED ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO AGO WOULD HELP RESOLVE. AND THAT IS WE WERE SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS A YEAR, MILLIONS IN AN AGGREGATE A YEAR, TO REALLY NOT ACHIEVE THE GOALS THAT THAT MONEY WAS SPENT FOR IN HELPING PEOPLE OBTAIN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, PRIMARILY THOSE IN THE VERY LOW AND EXTREMELY LOW INCOME LEVEL. AT THE TIME, COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE AND COUNCILMEMBER BECK VOTED AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL ON FOUR OCCASIONS, DENYING THE CITY A VOICE TO BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BENEFITING THE CITIZENS OF DENTON. IT WAS A FAILURE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PUBLIC POLICY THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COMMUNITY AFFORDABILITY, AND ALSO, MORE IMPORTANTLY, FINANCIALLY GOOD STEWARDSHIP. WE WERE SPENDING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND NOT GETTING ANYTHING IN RETURN. COUNCIL MEMBER BECK GAVE AN INTERVIEW LAST WEEK ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, WHERE HE DESCRIBED THE DATA THAT WAS PRESCRIBED THAT WAS DESCRIBED IN THE STAFF STUDY. AND AT THE END OF IT, HE SAID, NOW WE ARE IN A CRISIS MODE. WE HAVE TO PUT ALL OUR TOOLS INTO THE TOOL BASKET. I PUT A TOOL IN THE BASKET BACK IN 2022 AND IT WAS PULLED OUT AND REJECTED. AND SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER TOOL TO HELP US MANAGE OUR FINANCIAL RESOURCES AND MAKE AN IMPACT AS MUCH AS WE CAN USING THAT MONEY. YOU'VE GOT TO PUT A MORATORIUM ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE RECEIVING PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION UNLESS YOU GET ENFORCEABLE GUARANTEES OF AFFORDABILITY. WITHOUT THAT, WE'RE WASTING MONEY. NOW, THE PROBLEM IS THE STUDY THAT WAS PRESENTED, THE DATA THAT WAS PRESENTED, WE TALK ABOUT PERCENTAGES. WE TALK ABOUT UNITS THAT AREN'T THERE. THOSE REPRESENT FAMILIES, FAMILIES WHO STRUGGLE ON A DAILY BASIS TO PUT A ROOF OVER THEIR HEADS. 
          THEY'RE WORKING TWO AND THREE JOBS IN ORDER TO DO THAT. WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE FAILED THEM. 
          THESE AREN'T NUMBERS ON A SLIDE. THESE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, I WANT YOU TO HEAR THIS. I WANT THE COMMUNITY TO HEAR THIS. THE AGGREGATE IS UP TO ABOUT 3 MILLION A YEAR THAT WE ARE SPENDING ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS, WHERE WE'RE GETTING VIRTUALLY NOTHING IN RETURN, AND THAT COULD HAVE BEEN RESOLVED JUST FOUR YEARS AGO. THE PROBLEM BECOMES WHEN SOME PEOPLE PUT POLITICS OVER PEOPLE, AND I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, WHENEVER THAT HAPPENS, WHO DO YOU THINK ALWAYS LOSES? ALL THESE PEOPLE BEHIND ME CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. PEOPLE THEY ALWAYS LOSE WHEN YOU PUT POLITICS AHEAD. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE DATA SHOWS IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED, BECAUSE THERE'S NO REASON TO NOT GIVE THE CITY A VOICE AT THE TABLE WHEN THEY'RE SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. WE HAVE TO STOP THIS PRACTICE. I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD THE THE PFC WAS VOTED ON TWO YEARS AGO. IT'S LANGUISHED. WE JUST NOW PASSED THE BYLAWS. PEOPLE DESERVE BETTER IN THIS COMMUNITY. IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY TO HELP PEOPLE, THEN WE ACTUALLY NEED TO HELP PEOPLE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT HAVE BEEN SPENT TO SIMPLY GET MARKET RATES FOR OUR CITIZENS. THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT MONEY IS FOR. IT'S TO HELP THOSE WHO CAN, WHO NEED THE HELP. WE CAN'T FIX IT ALL. WE CAN'T SOLVE IT ALL. BUT WE COULD HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE. 
          AND IT WASN'T VOTED ON FOUR TIMES. THAT'S NOT GOOD FINANCIAL STEWARDSHIP. AND IT'S 
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CERTAINLY NOT HELPING THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT NEED THE HELP. AND I'VE WORKED 
          ON THAT FOR FOUR YEARS. THANK YOU MAYOR. >> THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS NATHAN GOLDSMITH AND NATHAN. HE HAS A HANDHELD MIC FOR YOU. THANK YOU. YOU SURE? YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. >> I SHOULD I SHOULD BE OKAY. >> THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          STEVE. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MAYOR. I THINK I SAW ONE OF THE UNT STUDENT GOVERNMENT ASSOCIATION PRESIDENTS FORMER IN HERE A WHILE AGO, BUT ANYWAY, WHAT A BUSY NIGHT. MR. RODRIGUEZ WAS INJURED SIX YEARS AGO, AND THAT WAS A PRETTY TRAUMATIC TIME, I THINK, FOR OUR CITY. AND TO SEE THAT HE'S STRUGGLING WITH THOSE COMPLICATIONS OF GETTING THE THERAPY NEEDED IS JUST ASTONISHING IN A SENSE THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ACCEPTABLE THING FOR OUR SERVICE MEMBERS TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHEN INJURED. WITH THAT. I'M IN HERE TO TALK SPECIFICALLY TONIGHT ABOUT THE SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT REALLY PREPARED FOR, AND I DO APOLOGIZE, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUSY NIGHT. THE FAILURES IN THE BUILDING SAFETY SERVICES HERE IN DENTON HAVE BEEN A LITTLE OVERWHELMING. A FEW WEEKS BACK I WAS IN HERE SPEAKING OF A CONTRACTOR THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP ON CRIMINAL CHARGES, NOT JUST DEALING WITH CIVIL SUITS. THOSE CIVIL SUITS HAVE COST US OVER 18 GRAND. AND IT'S IT'S NOT HEALTHY WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO RECOVER FROM A DISASTER THAT'S HAPPENED TO YOUR HOME AFTER A DECLARED NATIONAL DISASTER. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE FAILURES THAT HAPPENED WITHIN THE BUILDING SERVICES DIVISION WERE ONE AN INSPECTION THAT HAPPENED AND THE DISREGARD TO OUR HOME BY THE TWO INSPECTORS THAT CAME OUT AND IN THEIR REPORT, FAILED TO MENTION THE MULTITUDE OF ISSUES THAT WERE WERE WRONG WITH OUR HOME. MY HANDS ARE KIND OF TIED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE IN A SETTLEMENT OF THIS LAWSUIT. AND SO. THAT'S A LITTLE HARD FOR ME, BECAUSE OUR HOME IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE AROUND 50,000 TO CORRECT FROM THE DAMAGES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE BY THIS CONTRACTOR THAT WAS ILLEGALLY WORKING IN THIS CITY FOR 13 YEARS. BUT IN THE REPORT, THEY FAILED TO NOTICE SOME THINGS. 
          SUSIE. AND. MAYOR, BOTH OF Y'ALL HAVE A PHOTO, A VIDEO OF AN ELECTRICAL SOCKET FIXTURE THAT WAS TAMPERED WITH, MESSED WITH, REPLACED, AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN NOTATE THAT. AND WHEN SPEAKING WITH I BELIEVE IT'S ELIZABETH OVER THE BUILDING SERVICES, THEY SAID, WELL, HE'S IN FULL COMPLIANCE NOW. WELL, HOW HOW HOW IS THIS INDIVIDUAL IN FULL COMPLIANCE WHEN THERE'S CLEARLY ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE WRONG? AND, WELL, HE GAVE HIS $60 AND HE FILLED OUT THE FORM, NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT NOT ONLY WAS HE ACTING AS A GENERAL CONTRACTOR, WHICH HE'S NOW COMPLIANT WITH, BUT ALSO THAT HE WAS ACTING AS AN ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING. BUT HER IDEA OF BEING FULLY COMPLIANT NOW IS THAT, WELL, HE DID HIS CONTRACTOR, BUT HE HASN'T DONE HIS ELECTRICAL AND HE HASN'T DONE HIS PLUMBING, HAS HE? SO THERE'S A DISREGARD THERE OF SAFETY. RIGHT. AND INSIDE OF THE REPORT THAT THEY GAVE, IT KIND OF NODDED IN THE REPORT. BUT IN THE MEETING THAT I HAD WITH HER, AND I THINK IT'S CHANDLER. I ASKED, ARE WE LEANING TO A BUSINESS THAT HAS BEEN WRONGFULLY DOING BUSINESS AS A CONTRACTOR, OR AN ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING PERSON IN THE CITY FOR 13 YEARS? ARE WE TOTALLY EVADING WHAT HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OUR BUILDING STRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE AFTER THAT? ANYWAY, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR 
          TIME. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> SOMEBODY GLASSES ARE UP HERE. 
          [3. CONSENT AGENDA]
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FOR ADA COMPLIANCE. >> OKAY. GOT IT. THAT'S AWESOME. 
          OKAY. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE US TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WANTS TO TRANSITION BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT. THE MAIN MEAT OF OUR IF YOU'VE SPOKEN WANTED TO SLIP OUT, I'LL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO DO THAT BEFORE WE GO INTO THE NEXT PART OF OUR AGENDA. AND WHILE THAT'S HAPPENING, I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA AS AS PRESENTED. MAYOR 
          PRO TEM. >> MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. >> SECOND. 
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          >> THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES 7 TO 0. AND THAT TAKES US TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, I DO BELIEVE. YES. 
          [A. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding a Comprehensive Plan amendment from the Agriculture Future Land Use designation to the Master Planned Community Future Land Use designation on approximately 2,499.35 acres generally located west and south of FM 2153, east of FM 2164, and north of Gribble Springs Road and Shepard Road in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official Future Land Use Map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted (4-2) to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner McDade and seconded by Commissioner Dyer. (CA25-0001a, Craver Ranch MPC, Mia Hines)]
          >> SORRY. >> PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. COMMENTS. AND JUST. ASK. OKAY. 
          >> I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE ONE PRESENTATION FOR FOR A B AND C. 
          AND SO I'M GOING TO CALL THOSE TOGETHER. WE'LL TAKE COMMENTS TOGETHER. THEY'RE ALL RELATED TO THE SAME ITEM. AND SO I'LL CALL THOSE AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THAT IS FOR ACA250001A HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, REGARDING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FROM AGRICULTURE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION TO THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON APPROXIMATELY 2,499.35 ACRES OF, GENERALLY LOCATED WEST OF SOUTH. FM 2153 EAST OF FM 2164 AND NORTH OF GRIBBLE SPRINGS ROAD AND SHEPHERD ROAD IN THE CITY OF DENTON, DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS. 
          ADOPTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY CITY'S OFFICIAL FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THEN ITEM B, MP, A250003 HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO THE MODIFY THE THOROUGHFARE MAP OF THE 2022 MOBILITY PLAN, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE MODIFICATION TO THE ROADWAY ALIGNMENT OF THE FUTURE EAST WEST CONNECTION IN CRAVER RANCH. THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE TARGET ROAD IS LOCATED SOUTH AND WEST OF FM 2153, EAST OF FM 2164 NORTH OF SHEPHERD ROAD IN THE CITY OF DENTON, DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS. AND THEN LASTLY ITEM C, WHICH IS PD 250003A. 
          HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS REGARDING A CHANGE IN ZONING, DISTRICT AND USE CLASSIFICATION FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITH BASE ZONING OF RESIDENTIAL FOR. DISTRICT. RESIDENTIAL SEVEN DISTRICT. MIXED USE DISTRICT. MIXED USE REGIONAL DISTRICT. PUBLIC FACILITIES DISTRICT ON APPROXIMATELY 2,499.35 ACRES OF LAND. LOCATED WEST OF SOUTH, WEST AND SOUTH OF FM 2153 EAST AND AND OF 2164 NORTH OF GRIBBLE SPRINGS AND SHEPHERD ROAD IN THE CITY OF DENTON, DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS. AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          >> THANK YOU. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MIA HINES, SENIOR PLANNER HERE TO PRESENT THE THREE ITEMS THAT YOU JUST READ INTO THE HEARING. THIS IS THREE SEPARATE REQUESTS AS AN OVERVIEW OF THIS PROJECT. THIS IS THREE SEPARATE REQUESTS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, A MOBILITY PLAN, THOROUGHFARE MAP AMENDMENT, AND A REZONING TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS JUST UNDER 2500 ACRES. THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY IS RURAL AREA. THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. THE EXISTING ZONING IS RURAL RESIDENTIAL. THE PROPOSED ZONING IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WITH R4, R7, M, N AND M ARE BASE ZONINGS. AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS AT THE FRONT OF THIS PRESENTATION HERE THAT I HAVE INCLUDED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, OF STAFF SORT OF OR PLANNING STAFF SORT OF FRAME OF MIND IN LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY FROM A MORE REGIONAL STANDPOINT. ONE THINGS, A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT YOU TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION IS THAT THIS IS 2500 ACRES UNDER ONE OWNERSHIP WITHIN THE CITY OF DENTON. SO THAT PROVIDES SOME UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO PRESENT A CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT HERE. ADDITIONALLY, THIS AREA IS PART OF THE CRAVER RANCH MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, APPROVED BY THE STATE LEGISLATION. AND THEN FINALLY THE TXDOT DENTON COUNTY REGIONAL OUTER LOOP IS PLANNED WITHIN PROXIMITY OF THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND SO THAT THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN CONSIDERING THIS CASE. A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY THE EXISTING LAND USE IS AND HAS BEEN FOR A WHILE AGRICULTURE. BUT IN 2008, THE CITY TOOK IT UPON ITSELF TO ANNEX THE PROPERTY INVOLUNTARILY, AND WITH THE ANTICIPATION OF THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE COMING, AND THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE INTERESTED IN POTENTIALLY DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE. AT THAT TIME, THE DENTON PLAN 2030 DID NOT DESIGNATE A FUTURE LAND USE 
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DESIGNATION IN THIS AREA BEYOND AGRICULTURE, AND THEN SIMILARLY, THE MINOR UPDATE OF THE DENTON 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALSO DID NOT LOOK FURTHER INTO THIS PROPERTY BEYOND AN AGRICULTURAL FUTURE. LAND USE. EVEN THOUGH AGAIN, BACK THEN WE KNEW THAT THERE WERE POTENTIALLY DEVELOPMENT INTERESTS FOR THIS PROPERTY. WHEN THE APPLICANTS APPROACHED THE CITY STAFF, WE HAD SOME PRE-APPLICATION DISCUSSIONS, BASICALLY WALKING THEM THROUGH WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO POTENTIALLY OCCUR, AND THEN WORKING OUT SOME OF THE KINKS AND THINGS BEFORE WE PRESENT THEM TO YOU GUYS. AS A PART OF THAT, THERE ARE SOME COMPREHENSIVE STUDIES THAT WE'VE HAD THEM DOING, GIVEN THAT THIS IS SUCH A LARGE PROJECT AND THAT INCLUDES SOME WATER, SEWER AND TRAFFIC STUDIES, THERE ARE, LIKE I SAID IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, A THERE IS A MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT THAT IS OVER THIS PROPERTY, AND YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROCESS AS YOU YOU ALL WERE THE ONES THAT GAVE THE CONSENT TO HELP THAT CREATION BEGIN. BUT JUST TO REMIND YOU OF MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IS A SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH THE POWER TO LEVY TAXES, ISSUE BONDS, AND CHARGE ASSESSMENTS TO PROPERTY OWNERS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS. WITHIN THE MMD. THIS PETITION WAS CREATED AND APPROVED BY YOU ALL IN MARCH OF EARLIER THIS YEAR. 
          AND THEN, OF COURSE, IT WAS CREATED BY THE 89TH LEGISLATION. SO ONE OF THE OTHER POINTS THAT I WANTED TO KEEP IN MIND AGAIN IS THAT THE TXDOT DENTON COUNTY REGIONAL OUTER LOOP IS PROPOSED ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN THIS AREA. THIS EXHIBIT IS A SLIDE SHOWING THAT PORTION OF THE PLANNED OUTER LOOP AND THE POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVES WITHIN THE DENTON COUNTY AREA. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS HERE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH RESPECT TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE REGIONAL OUTER LOOP AND HOW IT SORT OF HOW IT'S PROGRESSED WITHIN THE COLLIN COUNTY AREA, IS THAT AROUND THIS OUTER LOOP, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THE MASTER PLAN TYPES OF COMMUNITIES THAT WE'RE SEEING. CRAVER PROPOSED THIS EVENING. SELENA, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS A LOT OF MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITIES AROUND THEIR OUTER LOOP TO THE EAST. AND THEN THIS IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE AUBRY PLANNING DEPARTMENT SHOWING THEIR MOBILITY PLAN, WHERE THEY'VE ESTABLISHED THEIR SORT OF PROPOSED OR THEIR PREFERRED ALIGNMENTS. AND SIMILARLY, YOU CAN SEE SUBDIVISIONS UNDER DEVELOPMENT CURRENTLY DEVELOPING AROUND THE OUTER LOOP. SO THE TREND OF DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING AND WANTING TO OCCUR AROUND THE EITHER PLANNED OR PROPOSED OUTER LOOP, IN THIS CASE, THE COMPLETED PORTION OF THE OR IN THE CASE OF COLLIN COUNTY, THE COMPLETED PORTIONS OF THE OUTER LOOP. WELL, SEEING THAT THIS IS SORT OF THE TREND THAT IS THAT IS OCCURRING ALONG THAT THAT REGION, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ITSELF, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU GUYS A COUPLE OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, INCLUDING THAT THAT RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY. THE FLOODPLAIN, AS YOU CAN SEE, DOES TRANSECT THE PROPERTY A LITTLE BIT HERE TO THE EAST OR ALONG THE EAST SIDE AND THEN ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND THERE IS FLOODPLAIN RELATED ESA AROUND THOSE IDENTIFIED FLOODPLAIN AREAS, WHICH THE PD, AS WE'LL GET INTO, CONSIDERS THOSE AREAS. SO THAT FIRST APPLICATION IS THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. AGAIN, THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IN THIS AREA IS AGRICULTURE. AND WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IS TO CHANGE THAT TO MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. THE MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS A CATEGORY THAT DENOTES LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GUIDED BY SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS, WHICH ESTABLISH THE LAND USES, DENSITIES AND INTENSITIES OF DEVELOPMENT AND CHARACTER. THESE DEVELOPMENTS TYPICALLY PROVIDE FOR MIXED USES THAT BALANCE RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL USES, AND PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY TO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. IN THIS CASE, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT A LARGE 2500 ACRE PARCEL THAT HAS IS PROVIDED FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO MASTER, PLAN AND THOROUGHLY PLAN OUT WHAT IS TO OCCUR ON THAT PROPERTY. SO WHEN WE GOT THIS REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT, WE PUT IT UP AGAINST OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. AND ULTIMATELY WE FOUND THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSIDERING THOSE REGIONAL PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT TRENDS THAT I NOTED WITH REGARD TO THE OUTER LOOP OF TXDOT'S OUTER LOOP IN THIS AREA. AND SO IT DOES SORT OF SPEAK TO A NEED TO PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA. 
          BEYOND THAT AGRICULTURAL FUTURE LAND USE. ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT DOES CONSIDER THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE AREA. 
          BEING THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED SOME OF THE MASTER PLANS FOR OUR LIKE WATER SERVICES, PROVISIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE'VE CONSIDERED THAT THIS PROPERTY WOULD DEVELOP. WE WERE AWARE THAT THE PROPERTY WOULD THERE WAS SOME INTEREST IN DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY. 
          AND SO THIS IS SORT OF ALLOWING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT ALLOWS US TO ESTABLISH A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY FOR THIS AREA. AND THEN FINALLY THE MASTER 
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PLAN COMMUNITY. FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION ITSELF ENCOURAGES THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MIX OF LAND USES IN A WAY THAT INCLUDES THE PROVISION OF ADDITIONAL PUBLIC SERVICES AND FACILITIES WHICH WITH THE PD THAT IS. FOLLOWING THIS, YOU WILL SEE THAT THAT IS A PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL. WITH THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. AND ON THE IN AT THE NOVEMBER 19TH, 2025 MEETING, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS WELL. THE NEXT REQUEST IS THE MOBILITY PLAN AMENDMENTS. 
          TO THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING THOROUGHFARE PLAN, AND TO THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED THOROUGHFARE PLAN. THE GREEN AREA IS SHOWING THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE ALIGNMENT. THE REASON BEHIND THE PROPOSED CHANGE, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS THE PROPERTY IS ENCUMBERED BY FLOODPLAIN AND ESA RELATED FLOODPLAIN. SO WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR CURRENT MOBILITY PLAN SHOWS AN EAST WEST PRIMARY ARTERIAL, SORRY, SECONDARY ARTERIAL, CONNECTING FM 2164 TO FM 2153 RIGHT THROUGH ONE OF THE WIDEST PARTS OF THE FLOODPLAIN ON THIS PROPERTY. SO WITH THIS, WHAT THEY ARE REQUESTING IS TO SLIGHTLY REALIGN A PORTION OF THAT EAST WEST CONNECTION TO THE SOUTH SO THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE TO ENCROACH UPON THIS THE THE FLOODPLAIN, AND THAT ESA RELATED TO THE FLOODPLAIN. THE THE MOBILITY PLAN DOES ALLOW FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY WITHIN 1000FT OF A THOROUGHFARE. IN THIS CASE, THIS IS COMING BEFORE THIS BODY BECAUSE THAT'S THE ADJUSTMENT IS BEYOND THE 1000 FOOT DESIGNATION. AGAIN, WITH THIS, WE PUT IT UP AGAINST THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL AND NOTED THAT MAINLY WITH THIS ONE, IT CONSIDERS THE FLOODPLAIN AND ESA AND MINIMIZING THE DISTURBANCE OF THOSE AREAS. IT'S ALSO MINIMIZING THE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE COSTS FOR THE CITY BEING ONE LESS BRIDGE, OF COURSE, THAT WE'D HAVE TO MAINTAIN IN THE FUTURE. WITH THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE MOBILITY PLAN, AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LIKEWISE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ON NOVEMBER 19TH. THE LAST PIECE OF THIS REQUEST IS THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT REZONING, AGAIN, THAT EXISTING ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY IS RURAL RESIDENTIAL. THE PROPOSED ZONING IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WITH RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE BASED ZONING DISTRICTS. THE ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THE PROPERTY AND THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED WITHIN 26 PHASES AT APPROXIMATELY 20 YEARS, AND THE PROPOSED USES THAT THEY INTEND TO INCLUDE ARE RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, COMMUNITY FACILITIES, PUBLIC FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THEY'RE PROPOSING JUST OVER OR ABOUT ONE POINT 2,000,000FT■!S F COMMERCIAL SPACE AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS. THEY WILL HAVE A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, ZERO LOT LINE AND TOWNHOMES AND MULTIFAMILY WITHIN THE PD. OUR DURING OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS OR WORK SESSIONS WITH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN THIS BODY, WE RECEIVED FEEDBACK REGARDING THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN THIS AREA AND THE APPLICANT'S HAS INCLUDED IN THE PD FOR TO ALLOW FOR FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THIS AREA THAT THOSE 1015 MULTIFAMILY UNITS IS MORE OF A MAX, AND THEY CAN THOSE UNITS CAN BE REDISTRIBUTED AND COUNTED AS ZERO LOT LINE OR TOWNHOME UNITS. THE CAVEAT, OF COURSE, TO ALL OF THIS IS THAT WITHIN THE PD, THE MAX NUMBER THAT IS ESTABLISHED CANNOT BE EXCEEDED. SO WHATEVER RESIDENCES ARE INCLUDED IN THE PD, THAT IS THE MAX NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONSTRUCT WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT. AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REQUIRE A SIX FOOT TALL SOLID MASONRY WALL FOR LOTS, BACKING OR SIDING ONTO ARTERIALS TO PROVIDE SOME GREENERY OR SOME SCREENING. AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TO ULTIMATELY PROHIBIT RESIDENTIAL FENCES OR FENCES IN THE FRONT YARD TO ALLOW FOR MORE OPEN SPACE IN THAT STREETSCAPE. IN THIS INSTANCE, THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT STREET SECTIONS, WHICH INCLUDES REQUIRES A TEN FOOT SIDE PATH ON BOTH SIDES OF A COLLECTOR, WITH THE ABILITY TO MEANDER THOSE AS NEEDED FOR THE AS FAR AS THE RIGHT OF WAY WITH LANE MILES AND TARGETED SPEED, THEY ARE BEING CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR MOBILITY PLAN FOR COMMUNITY FACILITIES. WITH THIS PD, THEY'RE PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 360 TOTAL ACRES OF PARKLAND, 181 OF THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN, APPROXIMATELY 13.5 MILES OF PUBLIC TRAILS WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED. A SCHOOL SITE FOR DENTON ISD AND A SCHOOL SITE FOR SANGER ISD IS PROPOSED, AND THEN TWO DENTON PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES ARE PROPOSED, AS WELL AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER, SEWER AND THINGS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO SERVICE THIS DEVELOPMENT. THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING TO ALLOW FOR SPECIAL SIGN STANDARDS WITHIN THIS PD. ULTIMATELY, THE PURPOSE IS TO 
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CREATE FOR A UNIQUE IDENTIFIER THAT LETS PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY WOULD BE IN THE CRAVER RANCH AREA. SO SIMILARLY, WE PUT THIS UP AGAINST THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. ULTIMATELY, WE FELT THAT THIS DOES HELP US OR ACKNOWLEDGE THE REGIONAL PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT TRENDS THAT I NOTED BEFORE WITH REGARD TO THE TEX-DOT REGIONAL OUTER LOOP. ADDITIONALLY, THE PD DEVELOPMENT PLAN DOES CONSIDER THE FLOODPLAIN AND ISA THAT IS ENCUMBERING THE PROPERTY, MINIMIZING THE DISTURBANCE TO THOSE AREAS, REROUTING THE ALIGNMENTS, AND OF COURSE, PRESERVING THOSE AREAS FOR GREEN SPACE AND PARK SPACE. THE PROPOSED MIX OF HOUSING DOES HELP REACH THE CITY'S HOUSING NEEDS WITH REGARD TO DEMAND AND HOUSING TYPE. AS WE LOOK FORWARD IN THE FUTURE AND CONTINUES TO GROW, AND THEN THE PD DOES PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OVER 20 PLUS YEARS IDENTIFYING A RATIONAL PHASING PLAN, NOT WANTING TO THROW OUT ALL THOSE 9000 OR SO UNITS ON THE GROUND AT ONCE, BUT GRADUALLY DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY IN THE AREA OVER TIME, AND THEN FINALLY THE REQUIRED AMENITIES AND PUBLIC FACILITIES ARE INTENDED TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED DENSITY, AS WELL AS DENSITY THAT WE MIGHT ANTICIPATE HAPPENING AND OCCURRING IN THE ETJ. WITH THAT, WE DID NOTICE THE PUBLIC FOR ALL OF THESE PROJECTS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, THE MOBILITY PLAN AMENDMENT, AND THE PD. WE RECEIVED SEVERAL COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION OF THE REQUEST, MOSTLY RELATED TO THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE LAND USE POTENTIAL POTENTIAL TRAFFIC IMPACTS. AND I'M SURE WE'LL HEAR SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS THIS EVENING. THE APPLICANT ALSO HELD TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS ON IN JULY, ONE IN JULY AND ONE IN SEPTEMBER, HEARING SIMILAR CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WITH THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REZONING REQUESTS CONTINGENT UPON THE APPROVAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND MOBILITY PLAN AMENDMENT, AS THE PD WOULD ALIGN WITH THOSE CHANGES. SIMILARLY, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE PD ON THE AT THE NOVEMBER 19TH MEETING. JUST TO RECAP AGAIN, THIS IS THREE SEPARATE ITEMS. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS AGRICULTURAL FUTURE LAND USE TO A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY FUTURE LAND USE. THE MOBILITY PLAN ITEM IS A REALIGNMENT OF A PORTION OF THE PROPOSED EAST WEST SECONDARY ARTERIAL SOUTH OF THE FLOODPLAIN TO AVOID THE FLOODPLAIN, AND THEN THE ZONING CHANGES FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WITH THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS REQUIRED REQUIRING THE DEDICATION OF THOSE COMMUNITY FACILITIES AND TRAILS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I WILL HAPPILY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME, 
          AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH THE PRESENTATION AS WELL. >> GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. ANY QUESTIONS FOR. SEEING SEEING NONE. I DO WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO SPEAK JUST REAL QUICK ON YOUR EVALUATION. WHEN YOU WHEN STAFF'S EVALUATING THINGS LIKE THIS IS IT IS IT PRO CON OR IS IT JUST YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE. WHAT'S 
          WHAT'S YOUR APPROACH. >> CORRECT. YEAH. SO IN EACH ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATION SLIDES I TRIED TO SHOW THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. THAT STAFF IS INCLUDED IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND IT'S ASSIGNED TO EACH APPLICATION TYPE. ESSENTIALLY, WHEN STAFF RECEIVES AN APPLICATION AND MAKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THIS BODY, WE GO DOWN THAT LIST OF CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. AND IF IT MEETS THOSE CRITERIA, WE LET THIS BODY KNOW. AND ULTIMATELY THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. 
          WITH THAT. >> OKAY, THE APPLICANT, IF YOU CAN COME UP, IT'S MR. MISS 
          NIGHT, IS THAT RIGHT? YEP. AND YOU HAVE TEN MINUTES. >> IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          >> GOT IT. SO 20 MINUTES. AND IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME BEFORE YOU START, THE TIME WILL 
          START AFTERWARDS. PLEASE. AND THANK YOU. >> I'M SORRY. 
          >> YEAH. >> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS ALEXA KNIGHT WITH LAW 322 WALNUT STREET IN SALINA, TEXAS. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER, OLD PROSPER PARTNERS, AND THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT TEAM. WE HAVE ALL THE PROFESSIONALS HERE. 
          SO IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, FINANCE, WE HAVE EVERYBODY HERE, DEVELOPER, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE THAT I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT YOUR STAFF HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB ON THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS PROJECT AND ALL THE DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS, THE AGREEMENTS ALSO, THAT WILL BE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION AND A LOT OF HARD WORK DONE, AND THEY HAVE LOOKED UNDER EVERY STONE. I WILL SAY, OKAY, SO LET'S GET STARTED. SO 
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THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP THAT SHOWS YOUR CITY. THE GOLD STAR IS WHERE THE 2500 ACRES MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY KNOWN AS CRAVER RANCH MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY IS LOCATED AND IT IS, AS MIA STATED, IT'S THE LARGEST CONTIGUOUS AREA OWNED BY A SINGLE ENTITY REMAINING IN THE CITY LIMITS. AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A BIRD IN THE HAND WITH A SINGLE DEVELOPER THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO WORK WITH, AND WORK WITH A PLAN THAT MEETS YOUR STANDARDS. ONCE IT'S DEVELOPED. IT'S A $5.1 BILLION ASSESSED VALUE PROJECT, AND THE CITY'S OWN FINANCIAL ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT THERE'S A NET FISCAL IMPACT OF ALMOST $107 MILLION POSITIVE. SO NOT A DRAIN ON THE CITY COFFERS. IT WILL BE A WELL APPOINTED AND PLANNED AMENITY. COMMUNITY 
          TRAIL SYSTEMS. >> WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. AND I AND IF WE CAN BRING UP THE STAFF, CAN SOMEBODY BRING THE OFFICER UP? BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE EFFICIENTLY. WE'RE GOING TO BE RESPECTFUL. WE'RE NOT GOING TO INTERRUPT EACH OTHER, OR WE'RE GOING TO START ASKING PEOPLE TO STEP OUT. JUST THAT SIMPLE. WE'RE GOING TO RUN IT. WE'RE GOING TO DO THINGS DECENT IN ORDER. SO. WE'LL GIVE YOU THAT TIME BACK. THANK YOU ALL VERY 
          MUCH FOR UNDERSTANDING. GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU. MAYOR. AS I WAS SAYING, IT'S A WELL APPOINTED PLAN TO MONETIZE COMMUNITY WITH TRAIL SYSTEMS. IT'S HEAVILY IT'S A GREEN SPACE COMMUNITY THAT'S PART OF THE MARKETING PLAN WITH PUBLIC PARKS, OPEN SPACE, COMMUNITY CENTERS, PUBLIC SCHOOLS SUPPORTING RETAIL AND FIRE AND POLICE STATION. THE PROPOSED ALIGNMENT, AS WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONNECTION AT I-35 IS AT MILAM ROAD. AND SO THIS PROPOSED OUTER LOOP IS SHOWN HERE. IF IT WAS EASY, ANYONE COULD DO IT, BUT IT'S NOT. THERE IS A LOT TO DO WITH REGARD TO A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE A BIRD IN THE HAND HERE. YOU HAVE A PROVEN DEVELOPER. HIS COMPANY NAME, OLD PROSPER PARTNERS. HE'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR. HE'S HERE TO STAY. HE'S A PROVEN TRACK RECORD. THE STEP ONE WAS, AS MIA MENTIONED, THAT YOU ALL TOOK AND PASSED THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR THE CREATION OF THE MMD BACK IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR. IT WENT THROUGH THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR SIGNED IT IN THIS YEAR. ALSO, THE MMD HAD ITS ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING JUST YESTERDAY. SO THAT'S A NEXT STEP. SO THEN THE NEXT STEP FOR US WAS WELL, WE HAVE THREE APPLICATIONS. WE HAVE THE COMP PLAN, WE HAVE THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AMENDMENT AND WE HAVE THE ZONING CHANGE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE TWO AGREEMENTS THAT WILL ALSO BE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. ONE IS THE OPERATING AGREEMENT, WHICH IS THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF HOW THE MMD WORKS, AND THAT'S BETWEEN THE DISTRICT AND THE CITY. AND THEN PART OF YOUR RESOLUTION FOR THE MMD WAS THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE A PROJECT AGREEMENT OR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND THAT'S BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND CITY, AND THAT'S WHERE THE CITY IS ABLE TO ASK THE DEVELOPER FOR THINGS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS PART OF THEIR MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY, SO WE'LL PROSPER. PARTNERS, IN ADDITION TO IN ADDITION TO PAYING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, THEY ALSO HAVE PAID FOR THE CITY'S CONSULTANTS, SO ESCROW TO ANOTHER $600,000 IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THOSE THOSE STUDIES. SO AGAIN, NOTHING OFF OF THE CITY'S COFFERS TO PAY FOR THOSE THOSE ADDITIONAL STUDIES THAT WE ALL DID WERE THE DRAINAGE ASSESSMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, BOTH OF WHICH ARE APPROVED. WE INVITED THE CITY STAFF OUT TO THE PROJECT AND AND TOURED THEM THROUGH THE SITE. THE ENVIRONMENTAL STAFF ACTUALLY CAME OUT A SECOND TIME ALSO. WE ALSO HELD TWO COMMUNITY OUTREACH NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, AND WE HAVE SOME INPUT FROM THOSE. AND I'LL WALK THROUGH THOSE CHANGES THAT WE MADE TO OUR PLAN AS A RESULT OF THOSE MEETINGS. IN ADDITION, THE CITY ALSO REQUESTED THAT WE RUN WESTWOOD, RUNS THE CITY'S TDM MODEL, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE, AND THAT'S FOR THE TRAFFIC. OKAY. 
          SO THE FIRST APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. AND THIS IS YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THE THE WHAT I WANT TO SHOW YOU ON THIS MAP PRIMARILY IS ALL OF THE CROSSHATCH AREA. THAT'S YOUR ETJ. THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE FULL PURPOSE JURISDICTION. IT'S IN THE CITY LIMITS. EVERYTHING SURROUNDING IT IS ALL ETJ PROPERTY. THIS CITY WAS INVOLUNTARILY ANNEXED BACK IN 2008, AND NINE SOUND PLANNING TAKES TIME, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING ON OVER TIME. AGAIN, YOU WENT OUT ANNEX THIS PROPERTY BACK IN ZERO EIGHT. IN 2018, THE WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM MASTER PLAN WAS UPDATED TO INCREASE THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT UP HERE AT LAKE RAY ROBERTS IN ORDER TO BE UPDATED BY 2028. AND THEN IN 2022. THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IDENTIFIES THREE SECONDARY ARTERIALS THROUGH THE SITE. EACH ONE OF THOSE ARTERIALS CARRIES 29,000 TRIPS PER DAY. THAT IS NOT 
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RURAL RESIDENTIAL LIVING, THAT'S MOVING TRAFFIC. SO THE CITY SAW THE NEED TO HAVE THOSE OUT HERE. COUNCIL SUPPORTED THE MMD FOR THIS MASTER PLAN EARLIER THIS YEAR. THAT DISTRICT ALLOWS THE CITY TO GET FREE INFRASTRUCTURE, BECAUSE THE DISTRICT IS THE ONE THAT'S PAYING FOR THE ROADWAYS AND THE THE WATER, THE WASTEWATER, THE STORMWATER, ALL OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. FROM A MACRO STANDPOINT, WE WE DISCUSSED THIS AT OUR WORK SESSION WITH REGARD TO THE INFLUX FROM THE EAST AND WEST COAST OF THE UNITED STATES. BUSINESSES ARE IT'S EXPENSIVE TO RUN BUSINESSES AND CONSEQUENTLY, THE HOMEOWNERS AND HOME OWNERSHIP IS EXPENSIVE. AND SO THEY'RE COMING. PEOPLE ARE MIGRATING TO THE CENTRAL UNITED STATES. OUR GOVERNOR HAS ALWAYS SAID TEXAS IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS. NEXT YEAR, WE HAVE THE TEXAS STOCK EXCHANGE THAT'S OPENING UP. PEOPLE ARE COMING AND PEOPLE CONTINUE TO COME. THE DFW REGION HAS SEEN SUBSTANTIAL GROWTH NORTHWARD TO COLLIN AND DENTON COUNTIES. AND SAY WHAT YOU MAY SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT TEX-DOT IS BEHIND THE CURVE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? TXDOT HAS BEEN PLANNING THIS OUTER REGIONAL LOOP SINCE 2000. SO EVEN THEY SAW THE GROWTH IS COMING. SO THE PROPOSED PLAN FOR THIS 2500 ACRES WILL BRING THE FLUM INTO ALIGNMENT WITH THE PROPOSED LAND USES FOR THE 2500 ACRE. SOMETHING CAME UP AT PLANNING AND ZONING, AND WE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO ACTUALLY PULL SOME COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN QUOTES AND ADDRESS THEM HEAD ON. THE GROWTH CAPACITY. SO YOUR COMP PLAN DISCUSSES THAT THE CITY HAS NEARLY 27,000 ACRES OF GROWING ROOM, COMPRISED OF LAND CATEGORIZED AS AG OR UNDERDEVELOPED OR UNDERDEVELOPED. THIS 2500 ACRES IS PART OF THAT 27,000 ACRES. THE CITY'S PROJECTED POPULATION GROWTH THROUGH THE 2040 HORIZON OF APPROXIMATELY 25,000 ACRES. YOUR STAFF REPORT SAID THAT THAT WAS BASED UPON A 3% GROWTH RATE, BUT REALLY, THE 2030 PLAN WAS MORE ACCURATE AT A 4% GROWTH RATE. BUT REGARDLESS, THE 25,000 ACRES, IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY IS PART OF THAT. SO AS A RESULT OF THE CITY ANNEXING THIS LAND 17 YEARS AGO, IT BECAME PART OF THE EXISTING CAPACITY TO DEVELOP. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THE COMP PLAN BE ALLOWED FOR GREATEST FLEXIBILITY. SO THEN IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT OF THE SLIDE AND WE TALK ABOUT FLEXIBILITY, YOUR COMP PLAN TALKS ABOUT PROMOTING MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITIES AND PDS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH LONG TERM VISION OF THE PREFERRED LAND PRESERVATION PLAN, WHICH WE ARE DOING, AND THE FLUM WHICH WE NEED TO CHANGE TO SHOW THE DIFFERENT LAND USES THAT ARE PROPOSED. EACH ONE OF THESE BULLET POINTS DOWN HERE FACILITATES REVISION TO A LAND USE MIX AND DESIGN. APPROVE A MASTER PLANS A MIX OF HOUSING TYPES TO REFLECT CHANGING DEMOGRAPHICS AND HOUSING PREFERENCES. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE A MASTER PLAN, RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, APPROPRIATE SITING OF SCHOOL, CIVIC BUILDINGS AND COMMUNITY AMENITIES. WE HAVE THOSE ADJACENCY TO EXISTING TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEMS, THE ROADWAY NETWORK. 
          AND WE CONTINUE. WE WILL BE BUILDING AND IMPROVING THAT SYSTEM. ALSO CONSERVATION, DEVELOPMENT WHERE APPROPRIATE. I WILL SHOW YOU AS WE WALK THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE HUNDREDS OF ACRES THAT WE ARE PRESERVING AND THE DISTRICT OR HOA WILL BE MAINTAINING AND NOT THE CITY, INCORPORATE COMPACT, MIXED USE AND WALKABLE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. THAT'S WHAT THIS PLAN IS ALL ABOUT, IS IT'S ABOUT WALKABILITY. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. INTEGRATION OF WIDE TRAILS, GREENWAYS, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE ELEMENTS. 
          WE'VE INCLUDED ALL OF THAT. SO MANAGING GROWTH ON THE EDGE. THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS DISCUSSED. AND YOUR COMP PLAN SAYS PROMOTE CONSERVATION CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT IN RURAL AREAS WITH PERMANENTLY PROTECTED OPEN SPACE AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO LARGE LOT DEVELOPMENT. SO NOT PUTTING LARGE LOTS, ACRES OF LOTS OUT HERE. AND WE'RE MEETING AND EXCEEDING THE CITY'S PREFERRED LAND PRESERVATION PLAN WITH THIS. OKAY. SO THE NEXT APPLICATION IS OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THE MOBILITY PLAN AMENDMENT. AS MISS HINES MENTIONED UP IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER, THIS IS YOUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. THE H IS THE PROPOSED SECONDARY ARTERIAL ROADWAYS THAT EACH CARRIES 29,000 TRIPS PER DAY. THE DEVIATION. THIS WAS A CONCERN BY SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AT THE PNC MEETING. THEY THOUGHT THAT IT AFFECTED EXTERNALLY TO THE TRACT AND IT IS NOT. THE VARIATION IS ONLY THERE IN ORANGE. I CAN'T POINT TO IT. BUT ANYWAY, THE PIECE IS ONLY THERE IN ORANGE. THAT IS THE ONLY VARIANCE. AND THE REASON WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE IS FOR THIS CENTRAL 
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PARK. AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS A VERY GREEN MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. IT'S HEAVY ON PARK SPACE, AND WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE ON THIS EXHIBIT IS WHAT WE'RE CALLED OUR CENTRAL PARK ACREAGE. 
          AND IT'S 340 ACRES OF CONTIGUOUS PARKLAND. AND WITH THIS VARIANCE ALLOWS US TO NOT TAKE THE ROADWAY EAST WEST THROUGH THIS POND THAT'S SHOWN HERE. AND THIS WAS PICTURE TAKEN WHEN STAFF WAS OUT ON SITE. I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS IS A PROPOSAL THAT WE WORKED WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT ON, IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THE MAGNITUDE AND THE SIZE OF THAT PARKLAND THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND THE USABILITY OF IT. OKAY. SO THEN THE THIRD APPLICATION IS OUR ZONING APPLICATION. AND AS WAS MENTIONED, THIS IS RURAL RESIDENTIAL GOING TO PD. AND THE PD ALLOWS MULTIPLE BASE ZONING DISTRICTS. SO WE HAVE THE R4, R7 AND UPF ON THERE. SO THAT'S FOR OUR LOW DENSITY AND MODERATE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. AND THEN WE HAVE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS AND MIXED USE REGIONAL. WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THE PROXIMITY OF THIS MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY IS IT'S NOT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE CITY CORE. AND IF IT WAS, THE SELLER WOULD BE ASKING A LOT MORE FOR THE LAND. AND THEN THAT CONCENTRATES TO A LOT HIGHER OF A HOME COST. SO THIS IS AN ABILITY FOR CITY COUNCIL TO SAY YES TO A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY THAT HAS A MORE AFFORDABLE HOME PRICE POINT FOR RESIDENTS TO CHOOSE, AND NOT TO JUST SAY, WELL, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE YOU CAN ONLY CHOOSE FROM ONE ONE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY AT A TIME IN OUR CITY, BECAUSE THAT ALSO CAME UP IN PLANNING AND ZONING. WE SHOULD ONLY DO ONE AT A TIME. BUT WHAT YOU MAY LIKE IN A MASTER PLAN, OR YOU MAY LIKE IN A MASTER PLAN. THIS MAY NOT BE THE REASON WHY I CHOOSE TO LIVE IN A MASTER PLAN, AND SO TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO CHOOSE IS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT. AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO BE A DEFINED, WELL-PLANNED COMMUNITY VERSUS SMALLER, DISJOINTED APPLICATIONS. IF THIS WERE SOLD OFF IN 100 100 ACRE PARCELS, YOU MIGHT BE DEALING WITH 25 DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS. AND THEN TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A COHESIVE COMMUNITY FEEL IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TO SHOW ON THIS PLAN IS EVERYTHING THAT'S IN BEIGE. THAT IS ALL ETJ LAND. THAT IS NOT IT'S NOT WITHIN THE FULL PURPOSE JURISDICTION. WHAT'S GREEN IS IS IN THE CITY LIMITS AND ACTUALLY IS OWNED BY THE SELLER. THIS MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY PROVIDES A FABRIC OF LAND USE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          IT HAS JUST OVER 7000 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. IT'S OVER 1000 TOWNHOME AND ZERO LOT LINES. AS A RESULT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS, WE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF MULTIFAMILY UNITS BY 500 AND WE PUT THOSE TOWARDS THE TOWNHOME AND ZERO LOT LINE HOMES. AND THEN WE HAVE THE SUPPORTING COMMERCIAL ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND A MIDDLE SCHOOL SITE. SO IT'S A QUALITY MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY THAT WILL HAVE TRAIL SYSTEMS LINKING EACH ONE OF THE PHASES AND INTO ALL THE DIFFERENT PARKS THROUGHOUT. SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT THAT I KIND OF GLOSSED OVER IN THE FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS THE PHASING OF THIS PROJECT AND THE FACT THAT, AT A MINIMUM, IT'S A 20 YEAR BUILD OUT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT GETS PLUNKED ON THE GROUND TOMORROW AND ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE GETS BUILT AND ALL THESE HOMES JUST GO UP. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR BEST CRYSTAL BALL. AND WHAT THIS REPRESENTS IS BASICALLY 400 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES A YEAR. SO IT'S AGAIN, NOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT ALL AT ONCE. AND IT PROVIDES A VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL PRODUCTS. IT'S THAT MIX, THAT PRODUCT MIX THAT YOU ALL ARE LOOKING FOR IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO STAY WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY AND JUST NOT MOVE ON OR MOVE OUT OF DENTON. WE'RE ABLE TO ONCE, ONCE THEY BUY A MAYBE A STARTER HOME HERE, OR THEY MAYBE LIVE IN AN APARTMENT AND THEY'RE ABLE TO PROGRESS THROUGH TO LARGER LOTS. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. WE WANT THEM TO STAY HERE. THESE ARE THE PRODUCT TYPES THAT YOU ALL SAW DURING THE WORK SESSION. DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL TYPES 5060S AND 70S ON THE LOTS, SMALLER ONES, THE COTTAGE HOMES. AND THEN THIS WOULD BE MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT MIGHT BE IN THE TOWNHOME LIVE WORK PERSPECTIVE IN THE PN OR THE M.R. LOCATIONS. OKAY. SO THIS IS VERY CRITICAL BECAUSE THIS IS PART OF YOUR PROJECT AGREEMENT OR YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND THIS IS WHAT STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER ON AS FAR AS CONTRIBUTION. AND THIS MAP IS A GOOD ONE BECAUSE IT SHOWS WHAT THEY HAVE GIVEN. WE HAVE OVER 463 ACRES OF COMBINED GREEN SPACE AND OPEN SPACE AND PARKLAND, AND THAT'S EXCLUDING THE TRAILS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD POCKET PARKS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE BY CODE IS ONLY REQUIRED. 67 ACRES OF PARKLAND. SO WE'RE PROVIDING 5.4% MORE OF PARKLAND TO THE CITY. AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT 
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PARKLAND THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN. THE AGREEMENT HAS BEEN MADE THAT THE HOA DISTRICT WILL BE MAINTAINING THAT ACREAGE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, CIVIC LAND IS ANOTHER 78 ACRES WITH SO BASICALLY 22% OF THIS OVERALL DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN GIVEN AWAY. 
          AND THAT'S RESULTED IN A SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF OF SINGLE FAMILY LOTS SINCE THE BEGINNING ABOUT 2000. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO WHEN YOU DEAL WITH A SINGLE DEVELOPER ON A SCALE THIS LARGE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE SAME THING IF YOU HAVE THIS CHOPPED UP. THIS IS AT CENTRAL PARK. THIS IS THE THE THE BELLE OF THE BALL, IF YOU WILL. IT'S AS THE 340 ACRES RIGHT IN THE CENTRAL AREA. AND THIS IS PARKLAND THAT'S OPEN TO EVERYBODY, NOT JUST IF YOU LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT OPEN TO ALL RESIDENTS OF DENTON. AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I HAD TO PUT THIS INTO PERSPECTIVE FROM A SIZE, AND THAT EQUATES TO 256 FOOTBALL FIELDS. THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF TRAILHEADS. THERE'S GOING TO BE LOTS OF TRAILS AT THIS POINT. WE HAVE 13.5 COMMITTED TO, AND THERE WILL BE MORE AS EACH PHASE GETS PLOTTED OUT. THIS IS THE OPEN SPACE PLAN SHOWING THAT WE HAVE MET THE CRITERIA, ACTUALLY EXCEED THE CRITERIA, BUT THIS SHOWS THAT THAT ONE HALF MILE RADIUS OR THERE'S A TRAIL OR GREEN SPACE OR SOME SORT OF PARK, SOMETHING WITHIN TEN MINUTE WALK OF YOUR HOUSE. SO THE BENEFIT OF THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY, IT'S FOR BENEFIT FOR THE CITY, FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND FOR THE DEVELOPER. THIS MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY CONTINUES WITH THE DENTON'S PLANS THAT THEY'VE STARTED BACK IN 2008, HOW THE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE ACTUALLY IN THE ETJ, BUT THEY KNOW NOW WHO HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. THEY KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN INDUSTRIAL SITE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A DATA CENTER. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, A BUNCH OF HOMES WITH SUPPORTING COMMERCIAL AND IS THE LARGEST CONTIGUOUS PROPERTY WITH A SINGLE OWNERSHIP, WHICH IS A BENEFIT TO THE CITY. IN ALL THE NEGOTIATIONS. IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT AND DESIGNED, WHICH IS WHAT THE CITY OF DENTON WANTS. IT'S HEAVY ON THE GREEN SPACE AND PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE. THAT'S THE TRUE MARKETING PLAN AND IT'S SELF FUNDED INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THE MMD. THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY, BECAUSE THE MMD DISTRICT IS WHAT WILL GO TO PAY FOR ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THIS. OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE THE CASE AT BUILD OUT. AGAIN, THIS IS A $5.1 BILLION TOTAL ASSESSED PROJECT WITH 1.2 BILLION IN DENTON TAX REVENUE. ADDITIONALLY, THE DEVELOPER, IN ADDITION TO THE 78 ACRES OF LAND THAT THEY'VE GIFTED AND THE 340 ACRES OF PARKLAND, THERE'S ALSO A FUNDING CONTRIBUTION, $3 MILLION, WHICH IS A SIZABLE CHUNK TOWARDS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT FOR THE CITY TO DO AS THEY MAY OFF SITE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, ANOTHER 2 MILLION AND ANOTHER 2.5 MILLION FOR POLICE AND FIRE. SO A $7.5 MILLION PROJECT. 
          FINALLY, WE KNOW THAT THE CITY LOOKS AT THEIR THEY HAVE A AECOM DO THEIR FINANCIAL ANALYSIS AND THAT LOOKS AT YOUR NET. THAT NET BENEFIT TO THE CITY. AND THAT IS A POSITIVE OF $107 MILLION. HOWEVER, WE THOUGHT IT WAS ALSO IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE BIGGER PICTURE. SO WE WE HAD DOCTOR RAY PERRYMAN, WHO IS A WORLD RENOWNED ECONOMIST, PUT TOGETHER A STUDY ON THE IMPACT OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THIS 2500 ACRE DEVELOPMENT. AND WHEN IT'S BUILT OUT AND HE LOOKS AT THE BROADER PICTURE, HE LOOKS AT THE CITY, HE LOOKS AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, HE LOOKS AT THE IMPACT ON THE COUNTY AND THE STATE. AND THESE NUMBERS ARE BIG FOR THE DENTON AREA. THE BENEFITS AT MATURITY INCLUDE A 1.7 BILLION IN ANNUAL GROSS PRODUCT AND 24,000 PERMANENT JOBS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD NOT OVERLOOK. THE PERRYMAN GROUP ESTIMATES THAT THIS WILL GENERATE A $50.8 MILLION IN TEMPORARY TAX BENEFITS, AND THEN EXPECTED TO PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT PERMANENT ANNUAL TAX BENEFITS AT MATURITY, INCLUDING $39 MILLION TO THE CITY OF DENTON. SO WITH THAT, 
          WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE GO TO THE COMMENTS. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE FIRST. FIRST CARD I HAVE IS HENRY. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU WILL HAVE. FOUR MINUTES. AND AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO YOU CAN FILL OUT A BLUE CARD IF YOU HADN'T ALREADY, AND HAND THAT IN TO THE CITY SECRETARY THERE. GO RIGHT AHEAD. 
          >> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. YOU ALREADY KNOW ME. I'VE SPOKEN HERE 
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BEFORE. DENTON RESIDENT. I'M SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO THE REZONING OF CRAVEN RANCH. AT LEAST TABLED THE MEETING UNTIL NEXT YEAR SO WE CAN MEET WITH THE DEVELOPER. MY PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, AND I HAVE SEVERAL GRIEVANCES WITH THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. FIRSTLY, PLANNING DENSITY IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. SECOND, HOW THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE AGRICULTURAL, AGRICULTURAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL CORRIDORS ON OUR PROPERTIES AND IN THE AREA. THIRDLY, HOW THE ADDITION OF 9000 HOMES IS GOING TO OVERWHELM THE ALREADY OVERBURDENED ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE AREA. WE ASK FOR EQUITABLE REPRESENTATION IN THIS PROCESS. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE'S TXDOT'S INPUT IN ALL OF THIS, THESE PRESENTATIONS OR THEIR SEAT AT THE PLANNING TABLE? NOT TO MENTION THE OUTER LOOP PLANS? ALSO, WE ASKED FOR NO EXEMPTION ON THE DEVELOPER'S TAXES AFTER REZONING. IT'S FOR THESE REASONS I REQUEST THIS VOTE TO BE TABLED UNTIL THE NEW YEAR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION IN THIS MATTER. 
          >> THANK YOU SIR. NEXT SPEAKER IS. IS THAT ANDERSON IS THE LAST NAME DIETER? IS IT A D? YEAH. THANK YOU. SORRY. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS WINTER ANDERSON, AND I AM THE DAUGHTER OF MARY CRAVER DENNY, THE SISTER OF BRIAN CRAVER DENNY AND THE GRANDDAUGHTER OF KENNETH CRAVER, FOUNDER OF THE CRAVER RANCH. WE UNDERSTAND AS A FAMILY THAT THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN. I ALSO AM A 20 YEAR LANDOWNER IN THE FRISCO AREA, AND I RECOGNIZE THE BEAUTY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AS FRISCO 2.0. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT I DON'T SEE IS A GEORGE PUREFOY. THE SURROUNDING ROADS, THE 2153 THAT I LIVE ON THAT IS DIRECTLY EAST OF THE CRAVER, WHERE I RAN CATTLE FOR A VERY LONG TIME, DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO 264. HAVE THE CAPACITY NO. THE MOBILITY STRUCTURE WITHIN THE RANCH IS OUTLINED IS LOVELY, BUT THE SURROUNDING AREA DOES NOT HAVE THE STEWARDSHIP THAT IS REQUIRED BY LEADERSHIP IN THIS COMMUNITY. MY OTHER CONCERNS ARE THAT THE WOODBINE AQUIFER AND TRINITY AQUIFERS ARE ALREADY BEING DEGRADATED THEY ARE IN DECLINE. I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT THE WELLS THAT ARE ON THE CRAVER ARE DRY. TEN YEARS AGO THEY WERE NOT, BUT THEY ARE DRY NOW. AND I UNDERSTAND FROM THE ENGINEERS OF THIS BEAUTIFUL PROJECT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO INSTALL 2200 FOOT WELLS, BIGGER, BETTER, GREAT. BUT THERE ARE, ACCORDING TO COUNSEL, YOUR TEAM ON YOUR STAFF GOING TO BE AN OVERABUNDANCE OF THESE KINDS OF DEVELOPMENTS ON THESE AQUIFERS. AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE AGRICULTURAL USE, FOLKS LIKE ME AND MY NEIGHBORS WHO NEED THAT WATER FOR OUR LIVESTOCK, FOR OUR HAY PRODUCTION, FOR OUR HOMES, WHAT ARE WE TO DO WHEN ALL OF OUR WATER DISSIPATES FROM THESE AQUIFERS? IT IS NOT A GOOD APPROACH TO STEWARDSHIP OF THAT PARTICULAR ACREAGE. 
          ALSO, I DO WANT TO COMMEND THE DEVELOPERS FOR THEIR APPROACH ON WATER RECLAMATION AND REPURPOSING. THEY ARE GIVING AN ATTEMPT TO STEWARDSHIP OF THE WATER BY TAKING THE WASTEWATER AND HAVING IT CLEANSED AND TREATED AND BROUGHT BACK THROUGH A PRESSURE PUMP TO BE USED ON LANDSCAPING. BUT MY CONCERN THERE IS ALSO, WOULD IT NOT BE WISER TO TABLE THESE ISSUES AND RECONSIDER AN ENGINEERED WETLAND ON THAT PROPERTY? JUST LIKE THE JOHN BUNKER SANDS WETLANDS USED BY THE NORTH TEXAS WATER MUNICIPAL DISTRICT THAT HAS A 2000 ACRE WETLAND SOUTH OF DALLAS AND THAT PROVIDES WATER TO LAKE LAVON, THE WATER COMING FROM THAT ENGINEERED WETLAND USING 19 PHENOTYPIC PLANTS IS BETTER AND MORE PURE THAN ANYTHING THAT THEY HAVE IN THE AREA, SO MUCH SO THAT IT'S IMPROVING. THE WATER COLUMN IN LAKE LEVINE, FROM WHERE THEY PULL WATER FOR DALLAS AND OTHER COUNTIES. I THINK THAT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED IF WE ARE GOING TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE LEGACY OF MY FAMILY AND THE HERITAGE THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT TO THIS COMMUNITY. ALSO, WHEN IT COMES TO THESE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WITH THE DEVELOPERS, I'M A CRAVER. THIS IS THE CRAVER RANCH DEVELOPMENT. 
          I LIVE IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET WHERE I GROW SUDAN AND COASTAL. I NEVER HEARD OF THESE MEETINGS. I HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THESE MEETINGS. THERE WERE A FEW PEOPLE I UNDERSTAND FROM THE LAST MEETING THAT ACTUALLY GOT INVITED. I'M ACROSS THE STREET. 
          I GAVE KIRK WILSON, THE DEVELOPER, HIS FIRST TOUR OF THE LAND. I MET HIM ON THE RANCH ON A SUNDAY MORNING, AND I TOOK HIM IN MY CAN AM AND DROVE HIM AROUND THE RANCH AND SHOWED HIM THE PROPERTY. I NEVER GOT AN INVITATION TO THOSE MEETINGS. SO I'M GOING TO 
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ASK YOU TO ASK THE DEVELOPER TO BE A LITTLE MORE THOROUGH IN THE INVITATION TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. >> THANK YOU. AND THEN RICHARD, RICHARD WELLS, RICHARD, RICHARD. OKAY, LOOK, I UNDERSTAND THAT Y'ALL ARE EXCITED, BUT HERE'S MY THING. WE GOT TO GET STAFF HOME. THEY GOT TO BE HERE AT EIGHT IN THE MORNING. THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT NEED TO SPEAK. THEY CAN'T HEAR MY NAME. THEIR NAME CALLED BECAUSE YOU'RE CLAPPING AND EXCITED. SO PLEASE JUST WORK WITH ME. I'M TRYING TO GET WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE TO GET THROUGH. I WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE. I DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO CUT PEOPLE'S TIME SHORTER TO MAKE US GET THROUGH THIS FASTER. NOT HOPING TO DO THAT, BUT I DO WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF STAFF TIME AND GETTING THEM HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES SO THAT THEY CAN DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN IN A MATTER OF HOURS. SO IF YOU'D BE SO KIND TO HOLD THE, THE, THE, THE COLLAPSE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HEAR THEIR NAMES, RICHARD WELLS, IF YOU CAN COME DOWN, YOU'LL 
          HAVE FOUR MINUTES, PLEASE. AND THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS RICHARD WELLS. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IF I USE THE WORDS WE OR US TODAY, I MEAN, ALL OF US WHO LIVE IN DENTON OR AUBREY OR SANGER OR NORTH PART OF COUNTY UP TOWARDS LAKE RAY ROBERTS. THOSE OF US WHO BUY OUR GROCERIES, CLOTHES, HARDWARE, SEE OUR DOCTORS, GET OUR HAIRCUT, ATTEND OUR CHURCHES, TAKE OUR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL, VISIT OUR NEIGHBORS IN DENTON. THOSE OF US WHO LIVE HERE NOW AND WILL LIVE HERE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. IF I USE THE WORDS THEY OR THEM, I MEAN PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE HERE OR MAY JUST BE HERE FOR A SHORT TIME, OR ANYBODY WHO WOULD DARE TRY TO TELL US WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR LAND AND OUR PEOPLE. FIRST, THOUGH, I WANT TO READ SOME PORTIONS TO HELP US REMIND OF THE ONGOING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT CONCERNING THE PROPOSED OUTER LOOP, WHICH HAS BEEN DISCUSSED. THE STATEMENT IS THE NOTICE PUBLISHED AT THE FEDERAL REGISTER BY THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION THAT IS DATED SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2024. I WILL READ ONLY A FEW LINES OF THE DOCUMENT BECAUSE IT'S LONG. IT'S FROM IT DOES TALK ABOUT COLLIN COUNTY AND DENTON COUNTY, AND IT'S A NOTICE OF OH NINE, 26, 2024. IT'S IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT READ IT, IT'S A FEDERAL NOTICE OF INTENT TO PREPARE AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT OR AN EIS. AND IT SAYS THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION, ON BEHALF OF TXDOT, IS ISSUING THIS NOTICE TO ADVISE THE PUBLIC THAT AN EIS WILL BE PREPARED FOR PROPOSED TRANSPORTATION PROJECT TO CONSTRUCT A SIX LANE FREEWAY PRIMARILY ON A NEW LOCATION, A NEW LOCATION NOT SPECIFIC YET IN DENTON COUNTY. TEX-DOT ANTICIPATES COMPLETING THE STUDY PROCESS FOR THIS PROPOSED ACTION BY SEPTEMBER 2026. THE DRAFT EIS WOULD BE ISSUED IN FEBRUARY OF 2026, AND THE COMBINED FINAL EIS AND RECORD OF DECISION WOULD BE ISSUED IN SEPTEMBER 2026. THE PROPOSED ACTION MAY REQUIRE ISSUANCE AND BOY, THERE'S A WHOLE LONG LIST. 
          CLEAN WATER ACT WATER QUALITY CERTIFICATION, POLLUTANT DISCHARGE CONFORMANCE WITH EXECUTIVE ORDERS ON ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, WETLANDS, FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT, INVASIVE SPECIES, ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT, MIGRATORY TREATY ACT. ET CETERA. ET CETERA, ET CETERA, IT SAYS IN THE STUDY. ULTIMATELY, THIS STUDY WILL ALLOW DENTON COUNTY TO PRESERVE THE LAND NEEDED FOR THE CORRIDOR TO PROTECT IT FROM FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, TO PROTECT IT FROM FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. 
          TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS REQUIRE YEARS OF ADVANCED PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, AND IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, I'VE HEARD FROM SOME PEOPLE THAT THE OUTER LOOP PLAN IS A DONE DEAL AND THAT THE FINAL ROUTE HAS ALREADY BEEN CHOSEN. NOT TRUE. THE DOCUMENT THAT I JUST READ FROM SAYS, AND I QUOTE AGAIN, THIS WILL EVALUATE FOUR BUILD ALTERNATIVES AND THE NO BUILD ALTERNATIVE. SO I SPOKE TODAY WITH PEOPLE AT TXDOT, DALLAS DISTRICT IN THE OFFICE OF MR. LANGDON, WHO IS THE PROJECT MANAGER, AND I WAS TOLD THAT THE STUDY IS NOT COMPLETE AND AT TEX-DOT ANTICIPATES COMPLETING THE STUDY PROCESS FOR THIS PROPOSED ACTION BY SEPTEMBER 2026. THAT IS THE COMBINED FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT IN THE RECORD. 
          DECISION WOULD BE ISSUED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2026, AND ANY DECISION MADE BEFORE THE STUDY IS COMPLETED FOR MAJOR DEVELOPMENT OF LAND IN THE PROPOSED ROUTES WOULD BE ILL CONSIDERED AND PREMATURE. THAT IS A GOOD REASON TO DELAY ANY DECISION ON DEVELOPMENT ALONG THOSE PROPOSED ROUTES, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO YET. FURTHER, IF WE ALLOW THEY OR THEM TO FORCE DECISIONS THAT MAKE LIFE MORE DIFFICULT FOR CITIZENS OF DENTON COUNTY THAN SHAME ON US IF WE ALLOW THEY OR THEM TO CONVINCE US TO FINANCIALLY BURDEN OUR 
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GRANDCHILDREN AND CHILDREN THROUGH BONDS AND SO ON FOR YEARS TO COME, THEN SHAME ON US 
          IF WE ALLOW THEM TO. >> AND THAT'S AND THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. RICHARD BUCKNER. RICHARD. OKAY. YOU CAN COME IN AND GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE 
          FOUR MINUTES. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS RICHARD BUCKNER. MY WIFE IS HELEN. WE LIVE IN DENTON COUNTY, HAVE BEEN THERE FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS, AND WE LIVE ON INDIAN WELLS ROAD 74, 60 INDIAN WELLS ROAD. TOGETHER WE OWN THREE BUSINESSES WHERE WE EMPLOY A LITTLE OVER 100 EMPLOYEES IN DENTON COUNTY. AND SO THIS IS IMPORTANT TO US BECAUSE WE TRY TO NURTURE OUR EMPLOYEES AND WHO'S IMPORTANT WITHIN DENTON COUNTY. SO TONIGHT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE CRAVEN RANCH PROPOSAL IN OPPOSITION TO IT, BECAUSE THERE HADN'T BEEN ENOUGH STUDY DONE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE 2040, THE DENTON 2040 PLAN SAYS IS THAT IT EMPHASIZES LARGE LOT REQUIREMENTS. CRAVEN RANCH DOES NOT. IT ALSO SAYS IT CALLS FOR SIGNIFICANT SETBACKS. CRAVEN RANCH DOES NOT. IT PRIORITIZES OPEN SPACE CONSERVATION. CRAVEN RANCH DOES NOT. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE 2040 PLAN SAYS THAT. AS A COMMUNITY, YOU AS COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL LISTEN TO THE VOICES OF WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM THE TURNOUT HERE TONIGHT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF VOICES THAT HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. THE LAST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL CORRIDOR, WHICH LITERALLY GOES RIGHT ACROSS THE NORTHERN PART OF MY PROPERTY, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CORRIDOR IS REALLY WHAT I CALL A LIVING ECOSYSTEM. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS THAT WHEN I GO HOME IN THE AFTERNOONS OR GO TO WORK IN THE MORNING, I CAN SEE DEER STANDING IN THE YARD. 
          THAT'S REAL, THAT'S THAT'S LIVING. I CAN SMELL THE SKUNKS. THAT'S REAL, THAT'S LIVING. I SEE THE RAT SNAKES IN MY CHICKEN COOP. THAT'S REAL AND LIVING. I HEAR THE COYOTE PACKS AT NIGHT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S FOR DINNER. RIGHT? ALL OF THAT'S A REAL ECOSYSTEM. SO WITH THIS HUGE DEVELOPMENT, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? I CAN'T HOUSE THEM ALL. I MEAN, WHEN YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO EAT? WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DRINK? WHERE'S THE SHELTER COMING FROM? ALL THIS BRICK AND MORTAR, 2500 ACRES. SO BEFORE I'M CUT OFF, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT AS GOOD STEWARDS OF THE ECOSYSTEM, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW ALL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO LAY OUT. SO TONIGHT, I'D LIKE TO JOIN MY FELLOW NEIGHBORS HERE AND ASKING YOU AS COUNCIL MEMBERS TO POSTPONE ANY DECISION TONIGHT AND PUT IT OFF AT LEAST PAST THE HOLIDAYS. YOU GUYS HAVE STAFF MEMBERS POSSIBLY ON VACATION. WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS, AND WE'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO EARLY NEXT YEAR TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME TIME, GIVE EVERYBODY SOME TIME TO RETHINK THIS WHOLE PROCESS. 
          LASTLY, THE THE DECISION IS TOO IMPORTANT AND TOO PERMANENT FOR US TO RUSH INTO IT. THANK YOU 
          FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS KAREN DEVINEY. IF YOU CAN COME 
          DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> ALL RIGHT. YIKES. HE'S TALL. 
          ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M KAREN DEVINEY. I LIVE AT 1820 WEST OAK. I'M. I'M HERE TO ASK THAT YOU VOTE NO ON THESE APPLICATIONS. I UNDERSTAND IF YOU DON'T. HOWEVER, ALL THOSE TAX DOLLARS AND CHARTS AND COLORFUL MAPS, THOSE ARE VERY TEMPTING. I DON'T BLAME THE DEVELOPER FOR EMPHASIZING THEM, AND I DON'T BLAME THE DEVELOPER 
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FOR DOING HER BEST TO PROMOTE THIS PROJECT. SO IF YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF THESE ITEMS, AND I'M HOPING YOU DON'T FOR ALL THE REASONS YOU'VE BEEN HEARING, THEN I HOPE YOU REMEMBER THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRICE OF SOMETHING AND THE VALUE OF SOMETHING. IT'S TOO EASY TO FOCUS ON THE PRICE IN HARD DOLLARS, AND IT'S TOO EASY TO IGNORE THE VALUE IN INTANGIBLES. 
          THAT GREEN SPACE IS VALUABLE AND BECOMING MORE SO AND MORE SCARCE. IT IS ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING CROSS TIMBERS GRASSLANDS IN THE COUNTY. I WOULD URGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE OF DENTON COUNTY AND COLLIN COUNTY, FOR THAT MATTER, AND SEE HOW MUCH OF IT IS BEING COVERED IN ROOFTOPS, ROOFTOPS EVERY DAY. GREEN SPACE HELPS SUPPLY CLEAN AIR AND WATER, BUT ALSO MANY OTHER INTANGIBLE BENEFITS. MANY STUDIES SHOW THAT SPENDING TIME IN THE GREEN IN THE OUTDOORS REDUCES BLOOD PRESSURE AND DEPRESSION, AND IMPROVES OVERALL HEALTH. I HIKE A LOT AT CLEAR CREEK, AND DURING THE STRESSFUL TIMES OF COVID, I ENCOUNTERED A MAN FROM OUT OF TOWN VISITING HIS AILING FATHER IN DENTON, AND HE SAID THAT WALKING AT CLEAR CREEK SAVED HIS LIFE. YOU CANNOT PUT A DOLLAR PRICE TAG ON THAT. SO ALL I ASK IS, IF YOU DO APPROVE THIS DEVELOPMENT, YOU WILL THINK OF THE GREEN THAT IS BEING LOST BY 9000 HOUSING UNITS AND TRY TO AMELIORATE THAT LOSS. SO SOME SUGGESTIONS, MAYBE SOME OF THOSE 300 ACRES OF THE CENTRAL PARK CAN BE RESTORED TO NATIVE PRAIRIE. 
          MAYBE THE LANDSCAPING ON THOSE TINY HOUSE LOTS CAN EMPHASIZE NATIVE PLANTS, WHICH, BY THE WAY, USE LESS WATER. MAYBE ALL THOSE WALKING TRAILS CAN BE BORDERED BY WILDFLOWERS THAT WILL SUSTAIN POLLINATORS. THERE ARE MANY GROUPS AND INDIVIDUALS IN DENTON WHO ARE EAGER TO HELP WITH ADVICE AND EVEN MUSCLE. IF THEY ARE JUST CONSULTED. I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPER TO REACH OUT TO THOSE GROUPS AND AND IMPROVE THE VALUE OF THEIR LAND THAT THAT 
          RIGHT NOW JUST HAS A PRICE TAG ON IT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ELIZABETH SEYMOUR. 
          IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          >> HELLO, MY NAME IS ELIZABETH SEYMOUR. I'M A PROPERTY OWNER ON SHEPARD ROAD. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON MULTIPLE TOPICS THAT I HAVE TO DISCUSS. I AM SPECIFICALLY IN OPPOSITION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF URBAN SPRAWL. 
          THIS IS A COOKIE CUTTER AREA OF LAND NORTH OF DENTON, SANGER AND AUBREY AND IS NOT CONTIGUOUS WITH DENTON PROPER. AND I'LL SAY ON SHORT CP IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON PAGE ONE THROUGH SIX IN THE LAND USE ISSUE. QUOTE. IT'S TO PRESERVE RURAL CHARACTER OF THIS AREA. 
          END QUOTE. THIS IS A HIGH DENSITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IN A RURAL AREA. ON PAGE ONE THROUGH SIX UNDER HOUSING ISSUES. QUOTE, RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING IS ONE HOUSE PER FIVE ACRES AND IS A BUFFER TO THE AGRICULTURAL LAND TO THE NORTH AND RESPECTS EXISTING ADJACENT LARGE ESTATE NEIGHBORHOODS. HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT. END QUOTE I PERSONALLY DO NOT WANT ZERO LOT LINES AND 40 FOOT WIDTH LOT LINE HOMES. I THINK THAT THEY WILL BE TALL AND DEEP AND UNESTHETIC IN MY VIEW. NEXT ON PAGE ONE FOUR QUOTE IN OUR RURAL FRINGE AREAS OF THE CITY AND THE EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION ETJ, WE SEE, QUOTE, CONTIGUOUS STAGE GROWTH, WHICH IS FISCALLY AND ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND, REDUCES FRAGMENTATION AND SPRAWL, DISCOURAGES PREMATURE DEVELOPMENT, AND IS ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND, AND CONSERVES THE CITY'S FUTURE GROWING ROOM. LASTLY, ON PAGE TWO THREE QUOTE. WHILE THE LAND USE ELEMENT DOES NOT SEEK TO IMPEDE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT IN OUTLYING AREAS, IT DOES SUPPORT RATIONAL STAGE DEVELOPMENT IN THE FRINGE AND DISCOURAGES APPROVAL OF LARGE, ADDITIONAL SCALED PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS UNTIL CURRENTLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENTS. APPROACH. 
          BUILDOUT. END QUOTE. THAT'S ALL THE OPPOSITION THAT COMES FROM THE DENTON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2040. NEXT, THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA OUT THERE, IF YOU TAKE THE RECTANGLE FROM 2153 AND 2150 AND 2164 AND GRIBBLE SPRINGS AND SHEPHERD ROAD, THAT IS LESS THAN FOUR SQUARE MILES OF 
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GEOGRAPHIC AREA. ON YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PAGE ONE THROUGH 13, WE HAVE, QUOTE, AN EFFICIENT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM WITH A SAFE AND WELL CONNECTED ROAD NETWORK WHICH ACCOMMODATES A WIDE ARRAY OF MOBILITY OPTIONS, INCLUDING LOCAL AND COMMUTER RAIL TRANSIT, AS WELL AS ACCOMMODATIONS FOR PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS. END QUOTE. THAT'S NOT THERE. THERE WILL BE MORE TRAFFIC CONGESTION. AND MY CONCERN IS THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE REGARDING THE FATALITIES, THE INCREASED MORBIDITY, MORBIDITY AND MORTALITY THAT WILL OCCUR FROM MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENTS OUT THERE. BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS NOT SET, WE DO NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE DO NOT WANT ANOTHER 380 WITH PALOMA CREEK AND SAVANNAH AND THAT ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT ENTIRE TRAFFIC DISASTER THAT'S BEEN FOR DECADES. WE ARE AWAITING TEX DOT'S DECISION FOR THE OUTER LOOP. AGAIN, THIS IS A PREMATURE DECISION TO MAKE TO BUILD OVER 9000 PLUS HOMES IN THIS AREA WITHOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THE TRAFFIC, ESSENTIALLY MAKING ALL OF US TRAFFIC FLOW GRIDLOCK OUT THERE. AND YOU PUT 30,000 PLUS PEOPLE OUT THERE AS A POPULATION. NEXT, THE REASON WHY WE'RE WEARING GREEN IS NOT BECAUSE IT'S THE DECEMBER AND WHERE THE GRINCH OKAY, WE ARE HERE BECAUSE THIS IS THE GREEN VALLEY AND THE GREEN BELT, AND WE ARE GREEN SUPPORTERS WHO WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. AND SOME OF YOU, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THIS. SOME OF YOU ARE RUNNING IN POLITICAL RACES. THE FILING DATE IS GOING TO END ON 12 EIGHT, AND YOU MAY BE RUNNING FOR COUNTY COMMISSIONER OR MAYOR. BUT LET IT BE KNOWN THAT YOUR CITIZENS OF DENTON ARE HERE AND THE EYES OF DENTON ARE UPON YOU. AND HOW YOU VOTE IN THIS MATTER, BECAUSE WE ARE REQUESTING THAT YOU RECONSIDER YOUR VOTE IF YOU'RE AGAINST IT. AND AGAIN, I'M IN OPPOSITION OF IT. DON'T. DALLAS. MY. DENTON. 
          >> THANK YOU. JAN DICKINSON. DICKSON. JAN. JAN DICKSON. THANK YOU. IF YOU CAN COME IN 
          AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> I'M JOHN DICKSON, I LIVE ON ZACHARY ROAD IN THE ETJ NEAR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. I AM THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF RANCH AND FARM PROPERTIES ON ZACHARY AND BERGER ROAD. I'M ASKING YOU TONIGHT NOT TO RUSH IN TO A CHANGE IN THE 2040 LAND USE PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE SUCH A DRAMATIC CHANGE. WITHOUT A MORE THOUGHTFUL AND CAREFUL CONSIDERATION TO THE UNINTENDED OR MAYBE INTENDED CONSEQUENCES FOR THE CITY OF DENTON AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS, THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPOSED PLANNED COMMUNITY IS LIKELY THE MOST SENSITIVE, DIVERSE PART OF THE CITY OF DENTON AND OF DENTON COUNTY. SO THIS IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. OTHERS ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT ISSUES OF WATER, FLOODPLAIN TRAFFIC, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. I'M HERE REPRESENTING A SMALL FARMER. 
          THE EXTREME LAND USE CHANGE AND PROPOSED DENSITY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT SETS IN MOTION A VERY CALCULATED DECISION TO ELIMINATE RANCHERS AND FARMERS LIKE ME AND MY FAMILY AND OTHERS IN THE AREA OF THE CITY OF DENTON AND THOSE IN THE ETJ OF DENTON. I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER A FEW OF THE SERVICES US SMALL FARMERS AND RANCHERS PROVIDE. WE PROVIDE LIVELIHOODS THAT FOSTER A STRONG WORTH WORK ETHIC AND BUILD COMMUNITY. SOME SAY LARGE LOTS DON'T ALLOW FOR COMMUNITY BUILDING. HOGWASH. THEY DO. THERE ARE SO MANY CONNECTIVITIES BETWEEN US SMALL RANCHERS OUT THERE. YOU CANNOT BELIEVE THAT LOCAL SOURCES OF FOOD WE GROW AND SUSTAIN AND PROVIDE TO OTHERS THAT MAYBE DON'T WANT TO BUY THEIR MEAT FROM A GROCERY STORE, FLOOD CONTROL THE OPEN SPACES OF FARMLAND. EVEN MY RELATIVELY SMALL SPACE ABSORBS SO MUCH WATER THAT ROOFTOPS WILL JUST DUMP AND CANNOT ABSORB, AND PROTECTIONS OF WATERSHEDS THAT ULTIMATELY PROVIDE WATER TO DENTON, DALLAS, AND BEYOND OUR LANDS FILTER THAT RUNOFF AND RECHARGE THE AQUIFERS. WE ALSO, AS ALLUDED TO BY A SPEAKER BEFORE ME, WE PROVIDE CORRIDORS FOR THE HABITAT. WE ARE SO CLOSE TO THE GREENBELT. MY PROPERTY ADJOINS THE GREENBELT. 
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WE HAVE TO HAVE SPACES FOR OUR ANIMALS TO BE ABLE TO THRIVE AND BELONG, AND NOT BE BLOCKED OUT BY CONCRETE WALLS. WHEN CRAVER RANCH WAS ANNEXED BY THE CITY OF DENTON, ALTHOUGH IT WAS VERY CONTROVERSIAL, MY FAMILY FELT RELIEF. WE HAD THE CONFIDENCE THAT THE LEADERS OF DENTON WOULD CONTINUE THEIR PATTERN OF OPEN COLLABORATION AND VERY THOROUGH RESEARCH OF PROPOSALS, WHEN NOT IF, DEVELOPMENT CAME. THOSE CITY LEADERS VALUED THE SPECIAL ASSETS OF CRAVER RANCH, THE GREEN VALLEY AREA, AND THEIR PROXIMITY TO RAY ROBERTS LAKE AND THE GREENBELT. I AM RESPECTFULLY ASKING THE COUNCIL TO PAUSE THIS ACTION BEFORE THEM, GIVING TIME FOR A MORE OPEN AND THOROUGH CONSIDERATION OF CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED PLAN 
          THAT WILL AFFECT DENTON AND EVERYBODY TO COME. >> THANK YOU. CECILIA WILLIAMSON, IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          >> MY NAME IS CELIA WILLIAMSON. I'VE BEEN A PART OF THE DENTON COMMUNITY SINCE 1978. I CURRENTLY LIVE IN THE ETJ NEARBY THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. MY KIDS GREW UP HERE IN DENTON, WENT TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WORSHIPED IN THE CHURCHES, PLAYED IN THE PARKS. MY HUSBAND'S BEEN A PART OF THE COMMUNITY SINCE HE WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND MY GRANDDAUGHTER ATTENDS THAT VERY SCHOOL. RIGHT NOW, I AM PROUD TO BE A PART OF A LIVELY AND CREATIVE COMMUNITY IN DENTON. I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I WANT US TO REMEMBER WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW THAT BUILDING HOUSES IS NOT THE SAME THING AS BUILDING COMMUNITY. I'M A RETIRED SOCIAL WORKER, AND IN THE 1980S I WORKED FOR A WHILE AT CHILDREN'S PROTECTIVE SERVICES AND THEN FOR A DECADE AT DENTON COUNTY, MMR. THE COUNTYWIDE FOCUS OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS GAVE ME THE CHANCE TO OBSERVE UP CLOSE THE IMPACT OF A SIMILAR SITUATION. IN DENTON COUNTY, A DEVELOPER HAD PURCHASED A LARGE TRACT OF LAND THAT WAS ABOUT A HALF AN HOUR FROM THE CLOSEST CITY OF ANY SIZE, AND THEY BEGIN TO BUILD FAMILY HOUSES, AND YOUNG FAMILIES MOVED IN. IT WAS OFTEN THE FIRST HOUSE FOR THOSE FAMILIES, AND THEY HAD TO STRETCH THEIR BUDGETS TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEIR OWN HOME. BOTH PARENTS HAD TO WORK TO MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS, PERHAPS WORKING EXTRA HOURS OR A SECOND JOB TO MAKE ENDS MEET. AND NOW THEIR COMMUTE TO WORK TOOK AN HOUR LONGER. EVERY DAY THEY HAD TO WAKE UP THEIR CHILDREN AT THE CRACK OF DAWN AND BUNDLE THEM OFF TO A DAYCARE CENTER OR A SCHOOL THAT WAS NOT CLOSE BY. 
          AT THE END OF THE WORKDAY, THEY REALIZED THAT IF THEY REALIZED THEY WERE OUT OF BABY FORMULA OR DIAPERS, IT WAS AN HOUR'S TRIP ROUND TRIP TO GET WHAT THEY NEEDED IN WINTER. THEY RARELY SAW THEIR KIDS IN THE LIGHT OF DAY. TRAFFIC JAMS ON INADEQUATE ROADWAYS ADDED TO THE STRESS, AND THAT'S WHEN THINGS WERE GOING SMOOTHLY FOR THEM. AN EXTENDED ILLNESS OR A CAR BREAKDOWN WERE MAJOR ISSUES, AND THERE WERE LIKELY NO RELATIVES OR LONG TERM FRIENDS LIVING NEARBY. SINCE ALL OF THE RESIDENTS WERE NEW TO THE AREA AND LIVING WITH A WORK AND FAMILY SCHEDULE THAT MADE IT HARD TO MAKE CONNECTIONS IN EMERGENCIES, FIRE AND POLICE SERVICES WERE HALF AN HOUR OR MORE AWAY, SO EVEN THE BEST OF RESPONSE TIMES, THE INTERVENTIONS CAME LATE. WITH ALL THIS STRESS ON FAMILIES, IT SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISING THAT WE SAW INCREASING RATES OF CHILD ABUSE AND CHILD NEGLECT, AND THAT MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND HIGH DIVORCE RATES ADDED TO THE CHALLENGES THESE FAMILIES WERE FACING. HOMES LEFT EMPTY ALL DAY, INVITED CRIME BUILDING HOUSES IS NOT THE SAME THING AS BUILDING COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY THE DENTON 2040 PLAN TALKS ABOUT A PLANNED GROWTH PATTERN THAT EXTENDS COMMUNITY, EVEN AS THE HOUSES ARE BUILT FOR NEW FAMILIES. IT WISELY ADVISES AGAINST BUILDING HOMES ON ISOLATED PENINSULAS OF LAND WITH FEW RESOURCES NEARBY. AND THAT'S WHY IT DISTURBS ME TO REALIZE THAT THE DECISIONS ABOUT THIS HUGE NEW DEVELOPMENT HAVE BEEN MADE WITHOUT SUFFICIENT COMMUNITY INPUT. I LIVE NEARBY, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT IT. MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS HAD NOT HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL VERY LATE IN THE DAY. SO WE ARE ASKING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND DELAY THE APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT UNTIL IT CAN BE GIVEN DEEPER CONSIDERATION AND WIDER COMMUNITY INPUT, SO THAT THE RESOURCES FOR THAT COMMUNITY AS 
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IT IS DEVELOPED COME AT THE SAME TIME THE HOMES ARE BUILT. IF THE ROADWAYS COME IN 20 YEARS, THEN WE'RE IN A CRISIS FOR THE FAMILIES THAT MOVE IN TOMORROW. SO WE'RE ASKING YOU TO FIND A WAY TO BUILD MORE THAN HOUSES, HOUSES AND FOLLOW THE WISDOM OF YOUR 2040 PLAN. 
          >> THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. MARK LAIRD, IF YOU. WHAT IS. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARK LAIRD. I LIVE AT 1328 SPRINGS ROAD, SANGER, TEXAS. 76266. I AM A CITY OF DENTON EMPLOYEE. AND THIS EVENING I'M TALKING TO YOU AS DENTON RESIDENT. I OPPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT. I THINK IT COULD BE BETTER. I THINK THE ZONING NEEDS SOME WORK. THERE. I THINK THE ZONING NEEDS A LITTLE BIT WORK. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, R7 IS ADJACENT TO ONE ACRE TRACKS. AND THE PURPOSE OF ZONING IS TO TRANSITION FROM ONE TYPE OF HOUSING TO ANOTHER. YOU REALLY DON'T SEE THAT WITH THEIR PROPOSED ZONING. SO I THINK IT NEEDS SOME WORK. THE OTHER ISSUE I HAVE WITH IT IS THERE'S THEIR PROPOSED ROAD THAT THEY HAVE. PART OF THEIR PD IS AIMED AT MY TWO ACRE TRACK. IT WILL EFFECTIVELY DAMAGE MY PROPERTY WITH THE FUTURE ROAD CROSSING. NOW WITH THE FUTURE OUTER LOOP COMING IN, WE DON'T KNOW THE CONNECTIONS GOING TO BE MADE. THERE'S THREE CHOICES THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, AND I REALLY THINK THAT UNTIL THAT ALIGNMENT IS CHOSEN, THIS DEVELOPMENT REALLY NEEDS THAT INPUT FROM FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW, I JUST LIKE TO SAY DITTO TO WHAT EVERYBODY JUST DID OUT THERE THE ENVIRONMENTAL, THE COYOTES, THE LIVE WILDLIFE OUT THERE. THEY MOVE OUT THERE QUITE A BIT. AND THE OTHER CONCERN IS, IS THE SURROUNDING ROADS. THE TEX-DOT ROADS ARE TWO LANE ROADS. IT'S KIND OF LIKE POURING A MILLION GALLONS THROUGH A ONE INCH PIPE. WHEN YOU NEED A SIX INCH PIPE TO DO IT WITH. I JUST HOPE YOU GUYS TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION. I FEEL LIKE THIS IS MY ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE I CAN'T TALK TO STAFF, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PUT THEM IN THE POSITION, AND I CAN'T TALK TO THE APPLICANT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PUT THEM IN THE POSITION EITHER. AND SO APPRECIATE YOU TAKING 
          THE TIME AND LISTEN TO ME AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS TIM WILLIAMSON. CAN YOU GIVE YOUR NAME? YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          >> HELLO. MY NAME IS TIM WILLIAMSON. I'VE LIVED IN DENTON COUNTY SINCE 1962. MY WIFE AND I LIVE ON ZACHARY ROAD, WHICH IS JUST EAST OF THE CRAVER RANCH DEVELOPMENT, AND WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 2014. A FEW WEEKS AGO, A GROUP OF CITIZENS CAME TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX BEING DEVELOPED NEAR THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AT THE INTERSECTION OF UNIVERSITY DRIVE AND OLD NORTH ROAD. SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT HAD CAUSED SEVERE FLOODING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE BUILDER WAS NOT ADEQUATELY ADDRESSING COMMUNITY CONCERNS. BASED ON INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP AND TO THE COUNCIL'S CREDIT, THE PROJECT WAS STOPPED AND A MITIGATION PLAN WAS PUT IN PLACE TO ADDRESS WATER FLOW ISSUES BEFORE CONSTRUCTION RESUMED. SO YOU MAY BE ASKING WHAT THIS ISSUE HAS TO DO WITH CRAVER RANCH DEVELOPMENT. WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, AS YOU SAW EARLIER, THE LAKE RAY ROBERTS SPILLWAY RUNS DIRECTLY THROUGH CRAVER RANCH. AND WHILE IT APPEARS THE DEVELOPERS HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT WATER FLOW IN THE MASTER PLAN, WHAT I SUSPECT IS THAT THE DEVELOPERS PERHAPS HAVE NOT ACCOUNTED FOR THE DOWNSTREAM EFFECT OF OVER 2000 ACRES OF PRAIRIE LAND BEING COVERED IN SEVERAL MILLION SQUARE FEET OF CONCRETE. LAKE FLOODING, COUPLED WITH NORMAL RAINWATER RUNOFF, COULD COMBINE TO CREATE A SERIOUS FLOODING CHALLENGE DOWNSTREAM OF THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH MEANS ME, MY HOUSE. SO THE QUESTION IS, HAS THERE BEEN AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY DONE TO ENSURE THAT THAT PROPERTY ADJOINING CRAVER RANCH WILL NOT BE AFFECTED BY FLOOD WATER, AS THESE APARTMENTS OVER ON UNIVERSITY DRIVE WERE JUST A FEW, AND IT'S GOING ON STILL THERE. SO THE QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU DONE THE DUE DILIGENCE? TO ENSURE THERE'S NO FLOODING RISK 
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CREATED BY THE DEVELOPMENT? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SO MUCH INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT. I'M TALKING ABOUT DOWNSTREAM OF IT. IF NOT, THIS PROJECT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PROCEED UNTIL THAT IS, THAT QUESTION IS ANSWERED. MY HOUSE IS CURRENTLY NOT IN ANY FLOODPLAIN, AND I'D 
          JUST AS SOON IT STAYED THAT WAY. >> THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS PATRICIA ADAMS. GIVE YOUR NAME. 
          YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. AND AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. AS WE GET TO THE END OF THESE, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF YOU DESIRE TO SPEAK, PLEASE FILL OUT A BLUE CARD. AND IF YOU HAVE AGAIN, IF YOU GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          >> OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS PATRICIA ADAMS. I LIVE AT 10046 FM 2153 AUBREY, TEXAS. I LIVE IN THE ETJ. WE'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 2006. I RAISED MY TWO BOYS HERE AND DROVE THE ROADS AROUND THE HOUSE AND BELIEVE ME, WAS PANICKING AS MY TEENAGERS GOT ON THE ROADS OF 21, 53 AND 2164. THOSE ROADS HAVE NO SHOULDERS. AND IN ONE OF THE WORKSHOPS THAT I SAW ONLINE, SOMEONE THE CITY ENGINEER TRAFFIC ENGINEER MADE A COMMENT THAT SOMEBODY COUNTY TEXDOT SOMEBODY WAS PUTTING SHOULDERS ON 2164. THEY HAD IT ABOUT TWO FOOT OF PAVEMENT. THAT'S NOT A SHOULDER. WE HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC ISSUES OUT THERE. MY CONCERN HERE OUR NUMBER, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO HIT THE HIGH POINTS BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD SOME OF THE OTHERS. FOR ME, THE TRAFFIC AND THE ILL CONCEIVED DEVELOPMENT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT ON THE MAP, IT'S AN ISLAND IN THERE. HOW ARE YOU GETTING TO IT? WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO IT BY OUR ROADS. THERE'S ALREADY ANOTHER SIGN. Y'ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER ZONING CASE RIGHT UP THE ROAD FROM ME THAT WAS ADVERTISED AS ON THE SOUTHWEST BEND OF 2153. 
          I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT'S SUFFICIENT LEGALLY TO TO IDENTIFY FOR ME WHERE THAT'S AT AGENDA HAS BEEN POSTED. YET I DON'T GET ANY NOTICES BECAUSE I'M NOT ON THE TAX ROLLS BECAUSE I'M IN THE ETJ. SO I JUST HAPPEN TO SEE ALL THESE SIGNS AS I WAS DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD WHEN I COMING HOME, AND IT WAS DARK AND I COULDN'T EVEN SEE WHAT THEY WERE, I HAD TO GO BACK THE NEXT DAY AND SEE WHAT THEY WERE. SO OUR ROADS ARE NOT SAFE. YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ALL THESE HOMES OUT THERE. AND MY OTHER CONCERN, I AM A LAWYER, I DO WORK IN LAND USE AND I WORK WITH DEVELOPERS. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPERS OR DEVELOPMENT, BUT CHAPTER 211 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SAYS YOU HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND YOU ZONING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THAT GOT TWISTED A LITTLE BIT AT THE PNC. I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T AMEND IT, BUT Y'ALL WENT THROUGH A PROCESS TO GET THERE THAT INVOLVED COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, STAKEHOLDERS MEETINGS TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. SO IN 2022, WHEN THE COMP PLAN WAS UPDATED, EITHER ONE OF TWO THINGS HAPPENED. EITHER NOT ONE BRAIN CELL WAS THOUGHT OF, THOUGHT WAS GIVEN TO THAT AREA OUT THERE AND WHAT SHOULD BE THERE. SO YOU SAID JUST LEAVE IT AG OR THERE WERE MANY THOUGHTS THAT WERE GIVEN TO IT, AND THE DETERMINATION WAS MADE THAT IT SHOULD BE AG. AND TODAY WE'RE BEING ASKED BY THE DEVELOPER TO DISREGARD THAT. THEY'RE SAYING, YEAH, LET'S JUST RETROFIT THIS DEVELOPMENT INTO THE COMP PLAN. WE'RE DOING A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT BECAUSE WE'RE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO DO THAT. WE'VE COME UP WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE PICKED OUR SPACE BECAUSE IT'S ONE DEVELOPER. AND BY THE WAY, THAT'S A RED HERRING. YOU HAVE ONE DEVELOPER. OH, WONDERFUL. 
          YOU HAVE APARTMENTS. YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL. RESIDENTIAL BUILDERS DON'T DO COMMERCIAL COMMERCIALS. DON'T DO RESIDENTIAL. RESIDENTIAL DON'T DO APARTMENTS. SO ONE DEVELOPER IS NOT REALLY ACCURATE WHAT THEY'RE TELLING YOU. THEY'VE GONE AHEAD AND THEY HAVE DONE THIS MMD WHICH THEY WENT TO THE LEGISLATURE TO DO. AND THEY'RE OPERATING AGREEMENT. THAT'S ALSO ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. IT HAS ONE SECTION ABOUT ROADWAYS THAT SAYS DEVELOPER SHALL RECONSTRUCT THE PORTION OF THE EAST WEST ROADWAY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY, CURRENTLY KNOWN AS SHEPPARD ROAD AND SPRINGS ROAD, TO A FOUR LANE DIVIDED ROADWAY. ET CETERA. ET CETERA. 
          THAT'S THE ONE COMMENT ABOUT ROADS WHEN I CAN'T TURN OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY, BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE ISLAND OVER THERE, THE CITY ISLAND, WHICH, BY THE WAY, A BODY POLITIC, IT IS A CONSERVATION AND RECLAMATION DISTRICT, SEEMS KIND OF LIKE AN OXYMORON HERE WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING BODY POLITIC AND POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. THERE'S ALSO IN THE OPERATING AGREEMENT TERMS WHERE IF THEY CAN'T GET ONE OF US TO SELL PROPERTY THAT THEY NEED, Y'ALL WILL JUST CONDEMN IT FOR THEM. SO THERE ARE THINGS HERE THAT ARE NOT APPROPRIATE, HAVE NOT BEEN APPROPRIATELY DONE. I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE AT LEAST 
          TABLE THIS AND GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS 
          ADAM. ADAM ADAMS. YOU. >> YOU OKAY? GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR THE 
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ABILITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I'M GOING TO START OUT BY SAYING I'M REQUESTING THAT COUNCIL TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL LATER IN THE YEAR. AND FOR SOME ADDITIONAL FAT GATHERING, WE CALL THIS AN ISLAND. I'M GOING TO TRY TO GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY. WE CALL THIS AN ISLAND BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THE PROJECTED POPULATION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS REALLY ONE FIFTH OF DENTON'S CURRENT POPULATION. BUT DENTON'S CURRENT POPULATION IS SPREAD OUT OVER 100MI■!S. 
          YOU'RE ABOUT TO PUT THAT INTO LESS THAN 3.5MI■!S, THAT POPULATION. WOULD YOU WANT TO LIVE ADJACENT TO OR IN A DEVELOPMENT WITH THIS CURRENT DENSITY? THE PNC CHAIR AND SPEAKER SPOKE ABOUT THE LONG TERM FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THIS. THE CHAIR, WHO WAS EXCELLENT, BY THE WAY, HE WAS A HE'S A GREAT PNC CHAIR. HE DID HIS OWN RESEARCH AND HE BASICALLY SAID THE FISCAL ASPECTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT BY A THIRD PARTY WAS BASED ON FAULTY LOGIC. 
          MAKES ASSUMPTIONS UTILIZING TODAY'S PRICING FOR ROADS, PRODUCING A 400 MILLION DEFICIT. 
          ANOTHER REASON WHY INFILL EXPANSION PRODUCES FISCAL STABILITY. TEX-DOT HAS NO CURRENT FUNDING FOR ANY OF THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. FOR 28, 2164 AND 2153. THE TRAFFIC HAS BEEN MODELED, BUT NO T HAS BEEN DONE. ARE WE JUST HOPING TEX-DOT WILL BAIL US OUT AT SOME POINT? AND I'M SURE TEX-DOT EXPECTED THE CITY TO STICK TO THEIR MOBILITY AND THEIR COMP PLANS. I GOT ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, LOOKED AT THE LONG RANGE PLANNING, WHAT WAS ON THERE, AND THESE ARE THE THINGS I SAW. THE VISION ZERO. THESE ARE THE THREE DIFFERENT THINGS, STATES. THE NUMBER ONE TRANSPORTATION PRIORITY FOR THE CITY OF DENTON IS SAFETY. 
          TEX-DOT WAS INVOLVED IN THAT. AND IT IT SAYS THE MOST PROMINENT PART OF THIS WAS STAKEHOLDERS. STAKEHOLDERS WERE NOT INVOLVED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS. TEX-DOT WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS ON THIS. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE COMP PLAN STAFF AT THE PNC MEETING ON THE 19TH SORT OF DISMISSED THE 2040 PLAN AS A MINOR AMENDMENT FROM THE CITY OF DENTON'S WEBSITE. THE 2040 PLAN WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL ON MARCH 20TH 22ND, 2022, WHICH IS JUST UNDER THREE YEARS AGO. IT REFLECTS CURRENT ANTICIPATED CONDITIONS OF THE CITY'S CONTINUED, CONTINUES TO EVOLVE AND GROW, AND ENCOURAGES REINVESTMENT. IT BUILDS UPON RECENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS. I WON'T GO THROUGH IT ALL. COMMUNITY INPUT AGAIN WAS THE BASIS FOR THIS. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE TIME FOR THIS INPUT. WE'RE GOING TO ASK THAT YOU PLEASE TABLE THIS UNTIL NEXT YEAR UNTIL YOU HAVE MORE THINGS ANSWERED. THIS IS THE LARGEST DEVELOPMENT EVER DONE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BY THE CITY OF DENTON. DOES IT NOT MERIT ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS AND INPUT? THE DEVELOPER? THIS DEVELOPMENT VIOLATES AND IGNORES MOST EVERY ASPECT OF DEVELOPMENT AND FRINGE RURAL AREAS OF THE CITY. AND AT THAT WORKSHOP ON THE 19TH, COMMISSIONER DYER ASKED DENTON'S SENIOR PLANNER, MIA HINES, IF IN 2008 29 IT WAS ANTICIPATED THE RANCH WOULD BE DEVELOPED RESIDENTIALLY, SHE SAID, AND SHE SAID AGAIN TONIGHT THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WAS ANTICIPATED AT THAT TIME AND WAS THE REASON FOR WANTING TO ANNEX SO IN 2000. SO THIS 2500 ACRE DEVELOPMENT WAS ANTICIPATED IN 0809. YET IN 2022, WHEN THE 2040 PLAN WAS ADOPTED AS A PLAN, IT REFLECTS CURRENT ANTICIPATED CONDITIONS AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO EVOLVE, GROW AND ENCOURAGE REINVESTMENT. 
          ABSOLUTELY NO CONSIDERATION REGARDING THE FUTURE APPROPRIATE USES WAS GIVEN TO THE 2500 ACRES IN THE MIDDLE OF GREEN VALLEY, AND IT REMAINED DESIGNATION WITH RURAL, RURAL AND AGRICULTURAL. BECAUSE THE LAND WAS NOT PROPOSED FOR A CHANGE TO RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AS AS PROPOSED, ABSOLUTELY NO COMMUNITY INPUT WAS SOLICITED PROVIDED WITH REGARD TO THAT SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. GIVEN THAT STAFF SUPPOSEDLY KNEW THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WAS POSSIBLE, WHY DIDN'T THEY RAISE THE ISSUE? WHY DID THEY LEAVE THE AREA AS RURAL AGRICULTURAL? THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT LEAPFROGGING AND COMPARED THIS COMMISSIONER COMPARED IT TO ROBSON RANCH. THIS IS NOTHING LIKE ROBSON RANCH. IT'S ADJACENT TO I-35. 
          IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CREATURE. I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU PLEASE TABLE THIS UNTIL THE 
          THANK YOU LATER IN THE YEAR. >> AND THEN. OLIVIA. LILY. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU 
          HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> HI. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS OLIVIA. LILY. I LIVE AT 1630 SHEPHERD ROAD, AUBREY, TEXAS. WE ARE IN THE ETJ JUST SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH A FEW THINGS SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. MY CHILDREN ARE FIFTH GENERATION THERE. UNLIKE THE RANCH, WE'RE FROM THE TREE FAMILY, SO WE'RE REPRESENTED BY DIFFERENT FAMILY MEMBERS. WE'RE BROKEN UP INTO SMALLER PARCELS OF LAND NOW IN TERMS OF HUNDREDS OF ACRES THAT WERE ONCE UNDER MULTIPLE FARMS IN ONE FAMILY, WE STILL FARM 
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OUR LAND. WE ARE RANCHERS, FARMERS. WE HAVE HAY, OATS, WE RUN CATTLE. AND SO, LIKE ONE OF OUR OTHER NEIGHBORS SPOKE ABOUT, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN SELLING OUR PROPERTY. WE'RE NOT JUST OUT THERE FOR FUNSIES. AND AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS STATED AT THE PNC THAT THERE'S VACANT LAND AND THAT THE DEVELOPER COULD TAKE OVER THAT LAND, IT'S NOT VACANT LAND, IT'S FARMLAND. 
          ANOTHER ONE OF OUR MAJOR CONCERNS AS RESIDENTS OUT THERE IS THE OUTER LOOP. I KNOW THAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT, BUT THE PROPOSED LOCATIONS, WE DO NOT HAVE A DECISION ON THAT YET. THE CONCERN HERE IS THAT IF YOU WERE TO PASS THESE THINGS, THESE ITEMS TONIGHT WITH THIS DEVELOPER, THAT THEN IT WOULD AFFECT THAT OUTER LOOP LOCATION, BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSED ROUTES OF FOR TXDOT AND SAY FOR THE OUTER LOOP. WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH A 9000 HOME DEVELOPMENT THAT THE CITY HAS ALREADY APPROVED. SO NOW IT WILL BE IT'LL GO THROUGH OUR HOMES AND OUR LAND, PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME THAT WANTED TO LIVE IN THE COUNTRY IN THE ETJ. SO WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU PAUSE, TABLE THIS, WAIT UNTIL THE OUTER LOOP DECISION HAS BEEN MADE, THEN RECONSIDER HOW THESE PROPERTIES AND THE LAND USE AROUND COULD BE USED IF THE CITY ALREADY HAS IT, AND THEY WERE PLANNING ON UTILIZING IT WHEN IT WAS ANNEXED IN 2008, YOU WILL STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO UTILIZE IT FOR THE CITY OF DENTON AND THE RESIDENTS HERE. I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU PLEASE, PLEASE CONSIDER THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY INPUT, AND IEAK FROM N TERMS OF WHO WAS NOTIFIED AND WHO WAS NOT NOTIFIED. I SPENT THE DAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING HANDING OUT FLIERS AND RUNNING DOWN OUR NEIGHBORS TO INFORM THEM THAT THIS WAS EVEN HAPPENING. NO ONE KNEW. NO ONE KNEW. WE WANT TO WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH YOU. OUR LIVES ARE HERE. WE APPRECIATE YOU AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. WE WANT YOU TO REPRESENT WHAT THIS 
          COMMUNITY HAS TO OFFER. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. AND THE NEXT IS. 
          JAY LILLY. YEAH. THANKS. >> HOW ARE YOU DOING? I'M. I'M JAY BRIAN LILLY. YOU JUST HEARD FROM MY WIFE, WHICH SHE DIDN'T TELL YOU IS WE'RE NOT ANTI-DEVELOPMENT. MY WIFE'S A RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECT. DEVELOPMENT IS PART OF OUR LIVELIHOOD. WE NEED IT. WE'RE AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT. I CAN THE COUPLE OF THINGS I'LL JUST SAY. AND IT REALLY REVERTS BACK TO THE ROADS. LET'S WAIT UNTIL WE KNOW WHERE THE OUTER LOOP'S GOING. ONE OF THE PROPOSED OUTER ALIGNMENT FOR THE OUTER LOOP CUTS RIGHT THROUGH CRAVER RANCH. OKAY, LET'S WAIT AND FIND OUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO. IF THEY KEEP SAYING IT'S GOING TO MEET UP AT MILAM ROAD, THAT'S NOT A DONE DEAL. AS Y'ALL HAVE HEARD FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE. LET'S WAIT ON THAT TOMORROW. COMMISSIONER RYAN WILLIAMS IS HAVING A MEETING FOR FOR PEOPLE ABOUT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS GOING ON WITH TXDOT. I REACHED OUT TO HIM AND SAID, HEY, IS THERE ANYTHING GOING ON WITH 21, 53, 21, 64 AND AND 428 BECAUSE THOSE THREE ROADS HAVE, AS YOU'VE HEARD, HAVE A BIG IMPACT WITH WITH THIS PROJECT. GUESS WHAT? THERE IS NOTHING IN THE BOOKS FOR ANYTHING WITH TXDOT ON THOSE THREE ROADS. THOSE THREE ROADS NEED TO BE IMPROVED BEFORE 20,000 PEOPLE CAN MOVE IN. THIS MORNING I LEFT TO GO TO THE GYM. I GOT TO TO GRIBBLE SPRINGS ROAD AND 2164 TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN. I SIT THERE FOR FIVE MINUTES BEFORE I COULD AT 630 IN THE MORNING. OKAY, THERE'S NOT 20,000 PEOPLE LIVING THERE NOW. THERE'S GOING TO BE WHEN THIS IS DONE. I KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME AND ALL THAT, BUT THAT'S THE END RESULT. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THE ECOSYSTEM, OKAY. EVERYONE'S SAYING WHERE'S THE ANIMALS GOING TO GO? I CAN TELL YOU WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY COMING. WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S DONE SOUTH OF US 288, EVERYTHING'S BEING PUSHED UP INTO OUR PROPERTY. 
          THIS THIS PROJECT IS TO THE NORTH OF US. THAT'S GOING TO PUSH IT DOWN. I CAN TELL YOU, I'M ALREADY FIGHTING PIGS LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW. IT'S TEARING UP ALL OF OUR PASTURE LAND. IT'S TEARING UP OUR CROPLAND. THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. IT'S JUST GOING TO GET WORSE BECAUSE OF THIS. BECAUSE, LIKE MY WIFE SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. WE'RE STAYING 
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WHERE WE ARE. OKAY? Y'ALL JUST NEED TO WAIT. YOU NEED TO WAIT AND FIND OUT WHERE WHERE THE OUTER LOOP IS GOING. AND YOU NEED TO WAIT UNTIL THERE'S A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH TXDOT. 
          TXDOT NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS. TXDOT NEEDS TO TELL Y'ALL WHEN THE ROADS OUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING OUT THERE, I'LL YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME. BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING ME TALK. THE OTHER THING I'LL JUST SAY IT'S A SHAME, BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE, WE DON'T GET TO VOTE FOR Y'ALL. WE'RE ALL IN THE ETJ AND Y'ALL ARE MAKING DECISIONS ON OUR LIVES. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL LETTING US TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT, BUT I SURE WISH WE COULD VOTE YOU IN OR OUT. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M 
          SAYING? THANK YOU. >> SHARON. SHARON. THANK YOU. >> STRUGGLED WITH THAT NAME, I LIED. HI, GUYS. SO I'M SHARON KRAMER, LONG TIME MEMBER OF THE ETJ. 43 YEARS TO BE EXACT. BUT I NOW GET TO VOTE FOR YOU BECAUSE I MOVED INTO TOWN. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT RESPONSIBLE GROWTH. AND RESPONSIBLY OR FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE GROWTH. AS A NATIVE OF DENTON, I'VE BEEN KNOWN TO SPEAK AT A FEW SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS, COMMISSIONERS, COURTS, AND TO YOU, CITY COUNCIL SOMETIMES. SOMETIMES I REALLY DO SPEAK TO SAY THANK YOU. OTHER TIMES IT'S TO POINT OUT THE ERRORS IN SOMEONE'S THINKING. THIS TIME IT'S A BIT OF BOTH, SO BUCKLE UP. WERE YOU JUST LAST WEEK AT A THANKSGIVING LIKE MINE, WHERE THREE GENERATIONS SAT AROUND A TABLE? I KNOW YOU DON'T BELIEVE I'M THAT OLD, BUT I AM. IF SO, YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN IMPORTANT REASONS TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE. IMPORTANT REASONS FOR LEAVING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE FOR A FUTURE. YOU MAY NOT EVEN SEE. THAT SHOULD BE A PRIMARY DECISION MAKING FACTOR IN YOUR DECISION MAKING MATRIX. A CITY COUNCIL. YOU ARE STEWARDS OF RESOURCES. YOU ARE STEWARDS OF THINKING ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL, SOCIAL AND FISCAL IMPACT. THAT SHOULD BE YOUR DECISION MAKING MATRIX. IT SHOULD BE YOUR MATRIX. EVERY TIME YOU MAKE A DECISION, AND IT SHOULD BE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT EVERY TIME YOU READ A REPORT OR A PROPOSAL. MY THANKS, BECAUSE I DO HAVE THEM GO TO THOSE OF YOU WHO SEE THE FLAWS AND OMISSIONS IN THE CRAVER RANCH PLANS AND REPORT. MAYOR PRO TEM ANALYSIS OF THE PROJECT. THAT ANALYSIS IS SOUND, AND IT'S JUST AND IT'S FOUNDED ON STRONG PRINCIPLES OF WHAT MAKES A CITY VIABLE, FINANCIALLY HEALTHY, HEALTHY IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY AND RESILIENT TO ALL THOSE CHANGES FINANCIALLY AND ENVIRONMENTALLY THAT ARE GOING TO COME FASTER THAN WE KNOW HOW TO PREPARE FOR THEM. SO THANK YOU. I DO WANT TO SAY TO THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT HAVE HAD A TIME TO TALK TO MAYOR PRO TEM ABOUT THAT, MAYBE YOU DON'T YET RECOGNIZE THE LONG TERM ISSUES WITH THE PROJECT, BUT I SAY YOU CAN AND SHOULD MAKE A BETTER DECISION FOR THE CITY OF DENTON. ALL THOSE ROADS IN 20 YEARS, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PAY THEMSELVES. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PAVE THEMSELVES EITHER. YOUR JOB IS TO AVOID LEAPFROG GROWTH, TO LOOK OUT FOR HAPHAZARD PLANS, PLANS THAT ARE TOO HASTY AND TO MANAGE STREETS AND UTILITIES. YOU ARE TO BE CUSTODIANS OF THE CITY'S DOLLARS AND RESOURCES, SO YOU MUST BE PREPARED. STOP LETTING HASTY PLANS STRIP MINE. DENTON. 
          >> THANK YOU. AND EDWARD FLORES. NO. ALL GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE IT. 
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          >> HI, MY NAME IS EDWARD FLORES. I WANT TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR GIVING EACH OF US A CHANCE TO VOICE OUR CONCERNS. I LIVE AT 7318 INDIAN WELLS ROAD, AND IT'S A 200 ACRE TRACT OF LAND. IT'S DIVIDED INTO TEN ACRE TRACTS. IT'S NOT AS BIG AS SOME OF THESE PEOPLE HERE, AND I WISH IT WAS, BUT AT THE TIME THAT WAS BIG. LIVING IN THE CITY ALL MY LIFE. I REMEMBER WHEN GRIBBLE SPRINGS ROAD WAS JUST A DIRT ROAD. OUR PRIVATE ROAD WAS A DIRT ROAD UNTIL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN WE ALL GOT TOGETHER AND, AND AND STARTED TO TO, TO A PRIVATE, TO A PAVED ROAD. YOU KNOW, WE LIVE WE'VE LIVED IN THAT AREA SINCE MAY OF 1985. I THINK WE WERE THE THIRD FAMILY TO BUILD IN OUR SUBDIVISION. CRAVER RANCH CIRCLES US ON THREE SIDES, SO WE'RE WELL AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON. WE WE LIVED IN CARROLLTON. IT WAS GROWING SO QUICKLY, WE DECIDED TO MOVE TO THE COUNTRY. SO WE FOUND OUR PROPERTY, BUILT OUR HOME, AND OVER TIME, WE ADOPTED FOUR CHILDREN. AND WITH THE MANY HORSES WE'VE OWNED, WE'VE LIVED A VERY WONDERFUL, QUIET COUNTRY LIFE. MY WIFE, DENA FLORES, WORKED FOR THE CITY IN HR FOR 20 YEARS. SHE PART OF HER DUTIES WAS A CIVIL SERVICE AND SOME INTERACTION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. AND ONE OF THE THINGS SHE ALWAYS TOLD ME WAS THAT SHE SPOKE VERY HIGHLY ABOUT THE CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE SHE SAYS, YOU ALWAYS MADE SURE THAT THAT YOU LISTENED TO TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS. WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THE RANCH, IT WAS IN A LETTER DURING THE PAST SUMMER WHEN I RECEIVED ABOUT A MEETING AT THE AT THE CHURCH UP OFF OF MILAM ROAD. I ATTENDED, AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED WAS ABOUT THE LOOP, AND ACCORDING TO THEM, THEY WERE NOT AWARE OF THE ROUTE AND HOW IT WOULD AFFECT THEIR DEVELOPMENT. THEIR RENDITION ALSO SHOWED THEM TAKING OVER INDIAN WELLS ROAD, WHICH IS OUR ROAD, WHICH IS A PRIVATE ROAD. 
          I ASKED ABOUT THAT. WHEN I QUESTIONED THE LADY ABOUT IT. SHE SAYS, OH, THAT'S A MISTAKE. 
          WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. WE'LL TAKE IT OFF OF THE NEXT RENDITION. THE RENDITION STILL SHOWS HER TAKING OVER OUR ROAD, A PRIVATE ROAD. I WENT TO THE. I WENT TO THE NEXT TEXDOT MEETING IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND BEGAN ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT CRAVER RANCH. THE FIRST FOUR PEOPLE THAT I SPOKE KEPT SAYING THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CRAVER RANCH. 
          THEY KEPT REFERRING ME TO SOMEONE HIGHER IN THE IN THE CHAIN. THE LAST GENTLEMAN TOOK ME TO THE PROJECT MANAGER, AND HE SAID THAT HE HE SAID THAT HE KNEW OF HE KNEW ABOUT IT, AND HE HAD ASKED HIM TO COME TO SOME MEETINGS, BUT THEY HAD NOT RESPONDED, BUT HE WAS GOING TO CHECK ON IT. AT LEAST NOW. THE CRAVER RANCH RENDITION SHOWING SOME OF THE OUTER LOOP, BUT NOT THE A NORTHERN ROUTE. DOES THE DEVELOPERS KNOW SOMETHING WE DON'T? OR IF THEY ARE, THEY JUST GOING TO BUILD THE DEVELOPMENT, ASK FOR FORGIVENESS LATER. WHERE'S THE WATER COMING FROM? EVERY SUMMER WE ARE ASKED ABOUT RESTRICTING OUR WATER USAGE, AND I'VE EVEN HAD TO CALL THE CITY OF SANGER TO SEND THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GET WATER FOR OUR ANIMALS. AND IT'S STILL A PROBLEM. THAT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS AGO, BUT IT'S STILL A PROBLEM. THIS YEAR OUR WATER PRESSURE HAS BEEN WAY DOWN, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS WATER IS COMING FROM. IT ALL SEEMS LIKE ALL THE RENDITIONS ARE VERY VAGUE AND WHEN QUESTIONED, THE ANSWERS WERE I'M NOT SURE AND I WILL CHECK INTO IT. I KNOW. SORRY, JUST VERY FRUSTRATING. THERE ARE SO MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR CONCERNS NOT BEING ANSWERED WITH SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FROM TXDOT AND CRAVER RANCH. I KNOW WE DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY AND WE'RE ONLY IN THE ETJ, BUT THIS WILL STILL AFFECT US. WE'RE TRYING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS IN SUPPORT OF OUR COMMUNITY, THE PROJECTS ROLLING DOWNHILL. AND WE ASKED THE INCREASING SPEED 
          THAT WE POSIT UNTIL AFTER THE FIRST NEXT YEAR. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND 
          AND WOODBRIDGE AND WOODBRIDGE GOING. ALL RIGHT. >> AND WOODBRIDGE, 3596 HOLLYFIELD ROAD IN DENTON. PLEASE DELAY ALL THREE OF THE CRAVER RANCH PROPOSALS. THE LAND ISN'T GOING TO GO ANYWHERE, AND WE NEED YOUR HELP FOR A MORE COMPLETE ASSESSMENT OF THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED. THE PROPOSALS DON'T MERIT APPROVAL. DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. IN THE MEANTIME, THE DENTON COMMUNITY 
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HAD NO INPUT AND LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PROJECT. FUNDAMENTAL FLAWS IN THAT PLAN HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE DEVELOPER. I KNOW ALL OF THE PROTOCOLS APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED, BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TWO WEEKS AGO BRINGS UP AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD STOP THE PROPOSAL GOING FORWARD. WHENEVER I TALK TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS, THEY TELL ME THEY CAN'T MAKE POLICY. THEY CAN ONLY WORK WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY IS CITY COUNCIL'S JOB. TWO WEEKS AGO, THE PNC COMMISSIONERS WERE ASKED TO MAKE THE LARGEST EVER CHANGE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OUT OF WHOLE CLOTH TO SATISFY ONE DEVELOPER THAT WAS MAKING POLICY SOMETHING PNC SHOULD NOT BE ASKED TO DO. MY POINT IS, A CHANGE OF THIS SIDE SIZE MUST BE SEPARATELY WRITTEN, PUT THROUGH THE AMENDMENT PROCESS, AND THEN CODIFIED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BEFORE PNC IS ASKED TO VOTE ON IT. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SMALL TWEAKS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT NOTHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE. THIS ASKS US ALL TO SUSPEND BELIEF THAT THERE IS ACTUALLY A PLAN IN PLACE TO GUIDE GROWTH. IT SETS THE TERRIFYING PRECEDENT THAT ZONING IS JUST BEING MADE UP AS WE GO ALONG TO EXPEDITE APPROVALS FOR DEVELOPERS WHO FIND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THEIR WAY, YOU MUST AGREE THIS IS A PROBLEM. MORE STUDY IS NEEDED AS PRESENTED, THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL DESTROY THE RURAL TEXAS LIFE OF ITS NEIGHBORS, AND IT WILL HARM DENTON IN THE LONG TERM. THIS HARM COMES FROM MORE THAN FOUR LARGE MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITIES STARTING AT BASICALLY THE SAME TIME. THIS PUTS DENTON IN AN ESSENTIAL RISK SITUATION. THE SHORT TERM REVENUE FROM ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS IS HARD TO RESIST, AND FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS THERE WILL BE PROFITS. BUT WHEN YOU REALIZE WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE DEVELOPER'S FINANCIAL STATEMENT, ALL OF THE NUMBERS ARE POTENTIAL PROFIT, BUT NONE ARE OF EXPENSES AND LIABILITIES. NO WONDER THE TIME FRAME THE DEVELOPER PRESENTS IS ONLY FOR 20 YEARS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL START TO NEED REPLACEMENT. THE DEVELOPERS WILL BE LONG GONE, AND THE COST OF REPLACING ROADS, SEWERS, WATER LINES AND SO FORTH. BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WILL ALL BE ON THE TAXPAYERS OF DENTON. THAT'S A TERRIBLE LEGACY FOR US TO LEAVE. WE CAN DO BETTER. I KNOW YOU'LL AGREE THE COMMUNITY SHOULD BE ABLE TO TRUST THE APPROVAL PROCESS WAS TRANSPARENT AND INCLUSIVE. THIS PROJECT DOESN'T MEET THAT STANDARD. CITY COUNCIL, PLEASE LEAD THE WAY WITH GOOD STEWARDSHIP AND GOVERNANCE. PLEASE VOTE TO DELAY ALL OF THREE OF THESE PROPOSALS AND MORE UNTIL MORE STUDY CAN BE DONE. THE LAND ISN'T GOING TO GO ANYWHERE, AND A MORE THOUGHTFUL ASSESSMENT OF THE PROPOSALS WILL ACHIEVE A BETTER OUTCOME. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT, SPEAKER, RENEE HOFF. >> MY NAME IS RENEE HOFF. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO VOICE MY CONCERNS TONIGHT. MY NEIGHBORS AND I VEHEMENTLY OPPOSE ALL PARTS OF THIS PLAN, AND WE ASK THAT YOU PLEASE, PLEASE TABLE IT UNTIL MORE INFORMATION CAN BE GATHERED ABOUT IT. WE LIVE AT 527 GRIBBLE SPRINGS ROAD, CLOSE TO WHERE IT INTERSECTS WITH 2164 TO THE WEST, WITH THE PROPOSED CRAVER RANCH DEVELOPMENT BORDERING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH AND THE EAST. IN FACT, IT'S MORE ACCURATE TO SAY THAT MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS SURROUNDED BY IT, A FACT WHICH WE HAVE ONLY VERY RECENTLY BECOME AWARE OF. 
          YOU SEE, WE WERE NOT AMONG THE VERY FEW PEOPLE WHO WERE NOTIFIED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. 
          AND YET WE ARE AMONG THOSE WHO WILL BE VERY GREATLY AND NEGATIVELY AFFECTED BY IT. AND THE RELATED OUTER LOOP AND DENTON COUNTY THOROUGHFARE PROJECTS. AND NO ONE NOTIFIED US ABOUT THOSE EITHER. ONE ONLY HAS TO LOOK AT THE MAP OF THE AREA TO SEE THE MANY PROBLEMS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT CAUSES FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE ROADS, SPECIFICALLY THE PROPOSED ARTERIES TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH THAT WILL DUMP DIRECTLY ONTO GRIBBLE SPRINGS ON THE EASTERN BORDER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WILL ALLOW ALL OF THE CARS FROM THE 9000 HOUSES AND APARTMENTS, AND THE YET UNDETERMINED NUMBER OF PEOPLE EMPLOYED IN THE BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS TO DRIVE DOWN OUR RESIDENTIAL STREET TO GET TO 2164. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT 
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OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WASN'T CONSIDERED WHEN DETERMINING WHO AND WHO WOULD NOT BE NOTIFIED? ALSO, THE DEVELOPERS MAP, AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE POINTED OUT TONIGHT, SHOWS THE FUTURE OUTER LOOP, YET NO DECISION HAS BEEN MADE ON THAT. HAS THE FUNDING EVEN BEEN SECURED FOR THIS ROAD? IS THE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY PREDICTING TRAFFIC PATTERNS ON A ROAD THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WILL EVEN BE BUILT? DO THEY KNOW SOMETHING WE DON'T? IF SO, HOW WERE THEY NOTIFIED AND WE WEREN'T. WE LIVE ON THE STREET THAT CONNECTS TO WHERE THE OUTER LOOP IS PROPOSED. IT GOES RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR HOMES, ON OUR STREET, AND NO ONE AT ANY TIME HAS NOTIFIED US ABOUT ANY PARTS OF ANY OF THESE PROJECTS. WE'RE TRYING VERY HARD TO BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE'S DOING WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN IS THE BEST, BUT WE'VE LEARNED IN A VERY SHORT TIMEFRAME WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IS MAKING THAT INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT. EVERYTHING WE DISCOVERED JUST LEADS TO MORE QUESTIONS, THE BIGGEST OF WHICH IS WHO DOES THIS DEVELOPMENT REALLY BENEFIT? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BENEFIT ANY OF US OR ANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS OR ANYONE IN THE ETJ. 
          I WON'T REHASH ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT MY NEIGHBOR HAS. MY NEIGHBORS HAVE, BUT WE HAVE A LOT. WE EAT, SHOP, AND WORK IN DENTON. DON'T WE MATTER ENOUGH TO BE INCLUDED IN THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE SUCH AN IMPACT ON OUR LIVES? WE HAVE QUESTIONS, MANY, MANY QUESTIONS WHICH PROBABLY COULD HAVE BEEN ANSWERED HAD WE BEEN GIVEN NOTIFICATION AND TIME TO ASK. 
          BUT THEY NEED TO BE ASKED AND ANSWERED BEFORE THE CITY VOTES TO APPROVE THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO WE ASK YOU THAT THIS VOTE BE DELAYED UNTIL AT LEAST JANUARY, SO THAT OUR COMMUNITIES CAN WORK TOGETHER TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR EVERYONE. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR HARD WORK 
          THAT YOU DO FOR DENTON AND ITS NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NED WOOD WOODBRIDGE. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, I'M NED WOODBRIDGE, I'M THE CITY OF DENTON RECENTLY HAS BEEN PURSUING A STRATEGY OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH. THAT SHOULD BE A GOOD THING. BUT WHAT IF THE WAY THAT WE ARE PURSUING GROWTH PRODUCES IN TIME HUGE FISCAL DEFICITS FOR THE CITY THAT WILL PLACE A HUGE FUTURE TAX BURDEN ON ITS CITIZENS, THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM, WOULDN'T IT? YES. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE DOING IN APPROVING SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, EXPANDING INTO THE FRINGE OF DENTON, SUCH AS THE CRAVER RANCH PROJECT. 
          BEFORE YOU TODAY, A NUMBER OF ECONOMIC STUDIES SAY THE COSTS OVER A 40 YEAR SPAN FOR A SUBURBAN PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT FAR EXCEED THE INCREMENTAL REVENUES RECEIVED BY THE CITY. 
          AND AS WE'LL SEE, THE HISTORICAL RECORD DEMONSTRATES THAT LAST NIGHT I SENT YOU A LONG EMAIL. SHOWING THE EXPLAINING HOW THIS HAPPENS. I. SHOWED YOU DATA FROM TXDOT THAT SHOWS THE TOTAL LIFE CYCLE COSTS OF ROADS TO TO BE 7 TO 8 TIMES THE INITIAL COST, AND THIS IS LIKELY THE PATTERN FOR OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE BUILDS AS WELL. I SHOWED YOU THAT SUBURBAN FOR SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT, THE TOTAL CUMULATIVE CASH FLOWS OVER TIME TURNED SHARPLY NEGATIVE. AND AND THE REPLACEMENT AS AS WHEN THE MAINTENANCE AND COSTS ESCALATE SHARPLY AND THE REPLACEMENT CYCLE FOR THE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE KICKS IN. THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU TODAY IS TO ADD THE THE CRAVER RANCH SUBURBAN PROJECT, ON TOP OF THREE OTHER MAJOR MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITIES IN THE RURAL FRINGE THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, THE TIMING OF WHICH PRETTY MUCH COINCIDE THE. SO THE ABOVE GRAPH. THAT GRAPH 
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WOULD BE FOUR TIMES. IF WE DO THIS, WE WILL BE HEADED FOR CERTAIN INSOLVENCY. THEIR DEBT TO. I'M SORRY. CAN WE SEE THIS OCCURRING IN OTHER CITIES WHICH HAVE BUILT OUT BEFORE US? THE ANSWER IS A RESOUNDING YES. HOUSTON, WITH ITS SUBURBAN SPRAWL AND DISTRIBUTED CITY CENTERS JUST LIKE DENTON SEEKS TO BE LOOKING TO DO, IS THE POSTER CHILD OF IMPENDING INSOLVENCY. WITH ITS STAGGERING $160 BILLION DEFICIT, NEARLY EVERYTHING BUILT IN HOUSTON OVER THE PAST 75 YEARS COST MORE TO PROVIDE SERVICE THAN IT GENERATES IN REVENUE FOR THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT. THE CITY OF PLANO IS A IS A NEARBY CASE STUDY, AS PLANO'S BUILDING SPREE HAS BEEN 10 TO 20 YEARS AHEAD OF DENTON, THEIR NET FINANCIAL POSITION IS DECLINING SHARPLY, MEANING THEY ARE NOT PUTTING AWAY MONEY FOR FUTURE LIABILITIES. THEIR DEBT TO TOTAL REVENUES IS RISING SHARPLY. BUT THIS IS KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, MAKING THE NEXT GENERATION PAY AND PUTTING THEMSELVES IN EVEN GREATER UNSUSTAINABLE PATH. THE CITY OF DENTON IS ALREADY SHOWING SIGNS OF FINANCIAL STRESS AT A TIME EARLY IN ITS BUILD OUT, WHEN IT SHOULD BE IN CLOVER RAKING IN EXCESS TAX REVENUE. BUT SADLY IS NOT. ITS FINANCIAL POSITION HAS BEEN DETERIORATING. THIS IS THE THE WRONG PROJECT AT THIS TIME. IT VIOLATES THE DENTON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH REPRESENTS THE COMBINED WISDOM AND WILL THE CITIZENS AND CITY STAFF. AND THE ANSWER IS NOT TO AMEND THE PLAN, BUT TO FOLLOW IT AS WRITTEN. PLEASE VOTE NO ON ALL THREE MEASURES. I ASKED FOR YOUR HELP. SHOULD WE NOT 
          HIT THE PAUSE BUTTON ON THIS? >> THANK YOU. AND THEN PATSY CAMPBELL. 
          >> HELLO, MY NAME IS PATSY CAMPBELL. >> SO YOU'LL HAVE TO ADJUST 
          THAT UP SO THEY CAN HEAR YOU. THE. YES. GREAT. THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS PATSY CAMPBELL, AND MY CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT THE PROPOSED WATER TREATMENT PLANT VERY NEAR OUR HOUSES ON GRIBBLE SPRINGS ROAD, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CORRIDOR FOR ALL THE WILD ANIMALS LIVING ON THE 2500 ACRES, AND THE SURFACE WATER AND ASSOCIATED FLOODPLAINS. FIRST IS THE PROPOSED WATER TREATMENT PLANT. THERE ARE TWO WATER TREATMENT PLANTS PROPOSED IN THIS PLAN, BOTH OF WHICH WILL BE VERY CLOSE TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AREAS. AS YOU ARE AWARE, WATER TREATMENT PLANTS PRODUCE LARGE QUANTITIES OF NOXIOUS ODORS. GIVEN THAT ONE OF THEM IS SLATED TO BE SO CLOSE TO THE HOUSES ON GRIBBLE SPRINGS ROAD, ALL OF US IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE PLAGUED BY DISGUSTING AND PROBABLY TOXIC SMELLS. HAS ANYONE CONSIDERED THIS? HOW WILL YOU ENSURE THAT CURRENT RESIDENCES WILL NOT BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED? WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? ALSO, HAS ANYONE CONSIDERED JUST HOW LARGE AN UNSIGHTLY WATER TREATMENT PLANTS ARE? AGAIN, ONE OF THESE FACILITIES ARE TO BE BUILT EXTREMELY CLOSE TO EXISTING HOMES. ONE WILL BE NOT ONLY VISIBLE FROM EVERY PART OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND STREET, IT WILL BE THE DOMINANT, UGLY LANDMARK IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR HOMES AND LAND. THIS, NOT TO MENTION THE SMELL WILL CERTAINLY LOWER OUR PROPERTY VALUES. HOW WILL OUR LOSSES BE RESOLVED? WHAT IS GOING TO BE DONE TO HIDE THESE PLANTS? WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? AND IF FOUL AIR, VISUAL BLIGHT AND LOSS OF PROPERTY WEREN'T TROUBLING ENOUGH, THERE STILL IS THE DUMPING OF TREATED WASTEWATER INTO THE CREEK THAT RUNS ALONGSIDE OUR HOUSES. 
          WATER TREATMENT PLANTS MAY NOT BE TOTALLY EFFICIENT, AND THEIR LIQUID WASTE OR SEWAGE DISCHARGED INTO OUR CREEK CAN BECOME A SOURCE OF POLLUTANTS WHERE THEY ARE DUMPED AFTER TREATMENT. THEY CAN CONTAIN TOXIC SUBSTANCES THAT HARM CERTAIN CREEK ORGANISMS. THIS 
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CAN ADVERSELY AFFECT THE WILDLIFE THAT LIVE IN AND DRINK FROM THESE CREEKS. OUTDATED SYSTEMS MAY RESULT IN THE OVERUSE AND INEFFICIENT USE OF CHEMICALS, LEADING TO WATER POLLUTION AND HARM TO AQUATIC ECOSYSTEMS. WHICH BRINGS UP THE POINT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING CARE OF THESE WATER TREATMENT PLANTS? AFTER THE DEVELOPERS SAY BYE BYE AND ARE GONE, THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE ABOUT THE PROPOSED WATER TREATMENT PLANTS. 
          BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, WE MUST TURN OUR ATTENTION TO OUR OTHER CONCERNS THE ENVIRONMENTAL CORRIDOR OR WILDLIFE HABITAT AREAS. THE SURFACE WATER AND THE ASSOCIATED FLOODPLAINS. THE CRAVER RANCH PROPERTIES, 2500 ACRES, ARE HOME TO A VERY LARGE AND DIVERSE POPULATION OF WILDLIFE. ONCE THIS LAND IS DEVELOPED, WHERE ARE THESE ANIMALS GOING TO EAT AND DRINK GOOD FRESH WATER? WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO LIVE? WHERE THE FERAL HOGS, WHICH ARE ALREADY RAMPANT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, GOING TO GO EXCEPT IN OUR YARDS, CREATING HAVOC AND ROOT AROUND FOR FOOD, DESTROYING YARDS AND CROPS, AS WELL AS BEING A DANGER TO THE LIVESTOCK AND PEOPLE. AND THEN THERE'S THE RAINWATER RUNOFF AND FLOODING. 
          I DON'T HAVE TIME TO EVEN TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DELAY THE THE VOTING 
          ON THIS UNTIL AFTER THE HOLIDAYS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS 
          NATHAN NATHAN GOLDSMITH. >> ALL RIGHT. >> WELCOME BACK Y'ALL. SORRY. 
          OKAY. MISS REX, WOULD YOU MIND PULLING UP THE MAP? YOU CAN'T PULL UP THE MAP. OKAY, SO WHAT I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS WITH THAT IS IT'S BEING BUILT BETWEEN A TWO BODIES OF WATER, AND I DON'T I HAVEN'T SEEN THE HYDROLOGY STUDY ON THIS THING YET, BUT PLACING THIS COMMUNITY WITHIN A HIGH HAZARD DAM AREA IS PROBABLY NOT IDEAL. SECOND, I WANT TO GO OVER VOCABULARY. 
          ALSO, MANY TIMES IN THIS IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, OH, IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN. 
          PROBABLY MEANS THE DEFINITION OF FLOODWAY, NOT FLOODPLAIN. A FLOODPLAIN IS OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODWAY, WHICH IS USUALLY A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA. SO EVERYTHING ELSE IS A FLOODPLAIN. 
          SO IT SITS IN A FLOODPLAIN. DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS NOT READY FOR THIS TYPE OF A PROJECT. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT BECAUSE IT CAN'T IDENTIFY PEOPLE DOING BAD BUSINESS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE ALREADY. SO THAT'S GOING TO COST MORE TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE THAT CAN DO THEIR JOB. AND IN THAT CASE, NOT JUST MY HOME, BUT ALSO RIGHT NOW OVER OFF OF HUDSON STREET, WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS BUILDING AND DEVELOPING INSIDE OF A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA THAT IS CAUSING THE WATER TO GO OVER THE ROAD, AND LOTS OF WATER GOING OVER THE FENCE OF THE PEOPLE ADJACENT TO THEM. ALSO, SOMEBODY MENTIONED IT EARLIER TODAY, THE OLD NORTH PARK OLD NORTH ROAD DEVELOPMENT BUILDING SERVICES DOESN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A THREE FOOT FILL AND A SIX FOOT FILL. THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE. SO ON THAT I WAS GOING TO SHOW THE MAP, BUT IT'S BEING DEVELOPED IN AN AREA THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLY CONSIDERED AS A HIGH HAZARD DAM AREA. THE WILDLIFE WE OVER IN SOUTHMONT ARE GETTING A LOT OF WILDLIFE COMING FROM ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BEING BUILT AROUND US. SO ALL OF THAT WILDLIFE WILL BE PUSHED OUT AND THEY'VE GOT SOME BEAUTIFUL PARTS OF PLAN. THAT'S REALLY NICE. BUT WHAT IT REMINDS ME OF IS THE WOODLANDS DEVELOPMENT. 
          RIGHT. AND AS DENTON PROVIDES, THAT WOULD BE PROVIDING ALL THIS MONEY FOR DEVELOPMENT AT SOME POINT IN TIME. THEY JUST SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'VE GOT WHAT WE WANT, LET'S BE OUR OWN CITY. AND THEN WE FUNDED ALL THAT. ANOTHER THING IS THE BACK IN JANUARY OF 23. THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE COUNTY, BUT THERE WAS A 10,000 BLOCK OF MURAL STREET AND 455 THERE WAS A WEDDING VENUE THAT WAS TRYING TO TAKE OVER A HORSE STABLE, 15 ACRES, AND IT WAS SHOWN THAT THAT IS NOT NOT WHAT THE AREA IS DESIGNED FOR, AND THAT THERE WAS A SAFETY ISSUE FOR THAT AS WELL. AND WHAT I WILL GO BACK TO IS THE WOODLANDS. AND A LOT OF THESE 
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PEOPLE HAVE BEEN INVESTED INTO THIS COMMUNITY FOR SO LONG. I'M ONLY SEVEN YEARS INTO THIS THING, BUT IN THE WOODLANDS DEVELOPMENT, IT WERE THE PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT SUFFERED. ONE OF THEM WAS A COMMUNITY CALLED TAMINA, TEXAS. IT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST FREEDMEN'S COMMUNITIES IN TEXAS, ONE OF THE FIRST ESTABLISHED IN 1871. BUT WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT CAME IN, THEY FOUND WHERE THEY COULD DUMP ALL OF THEIR ITEMS AND POLLUTED THE TOWN POND, WHICH MANY PEOPLE WOULD FLOCK TO ON THE WEEKENDS ON A TRAIN LINE TO TAKE THEIR FAMILIES FISHING. BUT THEY POLLUTED THE THE POND SO BADLY YOU COULDN'T FISH ANYMORE, AND THEY BUILT A PERIMETER AROUND IT BECAUSE IT WAS IN CONTAMINATED AND NOT SUITABLE FOR HUMAN HABITAT. ANYWAY, THANK YOU ALL AGAIN. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. 
          >> THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS GEORGE FERRY. COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE FOUR 
          MINUTES. >> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. COUNCILMAN, MY NAME IS GEORGE FERRY. I LIVE AT 4708 CONLEY LANE, DENTON, TEXAS, 76 207, IN DISTRICT TWO. I ACTUALLY LIVE RIGHT OFF OF THE NORTH LOOP OF 288 AT 2164 BY MY NEIGHBORS, WHO I'M GRATEFUL TO SEE TONIGHT. 
          I'M THANKFUL FOR YOU SHARING YOUR STORIES ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT, AND HEARING HOW LIFE IS RIGHT AND HOW YOU LIKE YOUR LIFE. I'M GRATEFUL FOR IT. I THINK THAT MY FIRST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS I REMEMBER BEING HERE AT THIS DAIS WITH COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COUNSEL, WITHOUT THE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYOR GERARD HUDSPETH, WHEN HUNTER COLE RANCH WAS BEING PROPOSED AS AN MMD, THE SIZE OF FLOWER MOUND DROPPING ON ONE SIDE OF TOWN, AND THERE BEING A LOT OF CONCERN IN THAT NARROWLY PASSING. AND NOW HERE WE ARE AGAIN SIX YEARS LATER WITH THIS SAME SITUATION. AND I GUESS I'M JUST ASKING, WHAT'S THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT? I'M HEARING NO BENEFIT TONIGHT. I'M HEARING THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE 2500 ACRES TO THE NORTH SIDE OF OUR CITY, TO DEVELOP FROM RURAL TO A MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY, SUPPORTED BY MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. RIGHT. SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO PASS THE BUCK ESSENTIALLY ON TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, TO HELP FUND ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND CHANGES THAT NEED TO OCCUR OVER DECADES. IT'S GOING TO TAKE 20 YEARS TO BUILD. IT'S GOING TO TAKE 40 TO BUILD HUNTER COLE RANCH. AND ON WHERE I LIVE ON NORTH STUART ROAD, I GO TO THE STOP SIGN TO GET ON LOOP 288, AND I GO FROM A STOP SIGN TO A 60 MILE AN HOUR, TWO LANE ROAD GOING NORTH, GOING ONE WAY. I HAVE TO THEN GO FROM ZERO TO LITERALLY 60 TO GET ON TO THAT ROAD. EVERY TIME I WANT TO LEAVE MY HOME, IT'S I. I'M WONDERING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE'RE ALREADY SO BEHIND ON THE ROADS WE NEED TO FIX IN THE CITY WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WHY WE'RE SO BENT ON BRINGING IN SOMETHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE, RIGHT? AND NOT FOCUSING ON THE OTHER ROADS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PLANNED BY TXDOT, HAVE NO PLANS TO BE DEVELOPED ARE. I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE'RE WE'RE SO QUICK TO MAKE A JUDGMENT CALL LIKE THIS WHEN EVERYBODY'S ASKING TO WAIT, TO TAKE THE TIME TO REALLY ANALYZE THE DATA, TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS, THE WASTEWATER, WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING AN AREA OF DENTON, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WE'VE HEARD ABOUT TRAILS, SCHOOLS, PARKS, THINGS EVERY DEVELOPMENT NEEDS AND WANTS. I ALSO, AS A LICENSED CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER WHO WORKS IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND DEVELOPING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I'M WONDERING HOW THE NUMBER OF $3 MILLION CAME TO BE TO BE THIS DONATION TO THE CITY TO USE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. HOW DID WE GET TO 3 MILLION? HOW WAS THAT DECIDED? HOW DOES THE CITY PLAN TO USE IT? YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT $3 MILLION, THAT DOESN'T GO A LONG WAY. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $3 MILLION FOR A 20 YEAR, 9000 UNIT BUILD OUT FOR A DISTRICT WITH THE ABILITY TO ISSUE BONDS AND GENERATE MILLIONS IN ASSETS. 
          THAT'S WHAT A HANDFUL OF DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE. IT'S MAYBE ONE SMALL, MULTI-FAMILY, AFFORDABLE PROJECT. ALSO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE UNITS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED IN THIS PROJECT, OF THE 7091 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THE 1084 TOWN HALL, TOWNHOME ZERO LOT LINES AND THE. 1015 UNITS OF MULTI-FAMILY, WHERE'S THE MIX? WHERE AM I SEEING THE 30% AND THE 50% THAT TWO WEEKS AGO WE TALKED ABOUT IN LIGHT TECH NEEDING TO BE A PRIORITY. ARE 
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THOSE BEING INCORPORATED INTO THIS PLAN? ARE THEY GOING TO SCATTER OTHER FOLK FROM COMMUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE, OR IS IT ONLY FOLKS THAT CAN AFFORD AN AVERAGE OF $500,000 A HOME? THESE ARE ALL OF MY QUESTIONS, AND I THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. THAT IS THAT'S ALL THE CARDS I HAVE. AND THEN THERE WERE 16 PEOPLE THAT DID NOT WISH TO SPEAK. THEY WERE IN OPPOSITION. SO I HAVE THOSE IN THE RECORD. MY QUESTION IS ANYONE ELSE? IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE ELSE? 
          WELL, NO. CAN'T. >> I DON'T KNOW. >> STAFF CAN MAYBE HELP. 
          SOMEONE CAN HELP ME OUT. OKAY. SO ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT HAVEN'T SPOKEN? I'M GOING 
          TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'M. >> THAT'S ALL. YEAH, YEAH. 
          LET'S GIVE ME THREE MINUTES. >> NO, NO. IT'S FINE. JUST I JUST WAS. COME ON. YOU FILL OUT A CARD AFTERWARDS. YOU CAN GIVE YOU GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. LET'S GO. 
          >> HELLO. MY NAME IS TRAVIS. I KNOW MOST OF YOU. I WAS PART OF A STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THE NORTHEAST DENTON AREA PLAN. WE HAVE SAT TOGETHER IN MEETINGS. WE SAT TOGETHER BEFORE. SOME OF YOU WERE COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'D LIKE MOST OF YOU. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, THE 
          NORTHEAST DENTON AREA PLAN WAS THE CITY'S OFFICIAL. >> YOU GOT YOU GOT TO SPEAK 
          INTO THE MIC SO THEY CAN. >> WAS THE CITY'S OFFICIAL APPROACH TO SOLIDIFY THE DENTON 24 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? THAT'S WHAT IT WAS SOLD AS. WHAT THAT NORTHEAST DENTON AREA PLAN REALLY WAS. THERE WAS A REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT FIRM THAT BOUGHT THE CARTER RANCH LAND. 
          THEY WERE PLANNING TO USE THAT AS A METHOD TO, UNDER THE TABLE, GET INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND CHANGE THE ZONING. THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS. MY FRIENDS NED AND ANN ASKED ME TO COME HERE TODAY. AND YOU KNOW WHAT MY FIRST REACTION WAS? I LOOKED TO MY WIFE AND I SAID, WE'VE GOT AN EXCUSE THAT I DON'T HAVE TO COME. I'VE SAID IT. SO MANY OF THESE MEETINGS, SO MANY OF THEM, AND I GET THE SAME FEELING AFTER EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. THEY'RE JUST LIKE THIS. EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY LOOKS AT YOU, COMES UP HERE AND SAYS, WE DON'T WANT THIS. WE HAVE THESE LITTLE GREEN CIRCLES THAT THEY HAD THAT THEY HAD US PUT ON THESE PICTURES, LIKE, WHAT DO YOU WANT THIS LAND TO LOOK LIKE? WE HAD THEM ALL READ ALL OF THEM. NOBODY HAD GREEN. 
          AND YET THE CITY LOOKED AT US IN THE EYE. AND ONE OF THESE MEETINGS SAID, WE HAVE YOUR INPUT NOW, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE ZONING. THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. THAT'S HOW ALL OF THESE THINGS END ALL THE TIME. I HATE COMING TO THESE BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T CARE. 
          IT'S BECAUSE I LEAVE THINKING THAT YOU DON'T. IT'S IT'S THAT SIMPLE. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NORTHEAST DENTON AREA PLAN? WHAT HAPPENED? IT GOT SHELVED. DO YOU KNOW WHY? THERE'S NO REASON. I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE. THEY NEVER EMAILED ME WITH A REASON. BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? THE DEVELOPER THAT BOUGHT THE LAND WENT UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE SEC FOR FRAUD, AND THE LAND WAS FROZEN. THERE WAS NO LONGER A NEED FOR THIS CITY TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT LAND. SO THE 2040 AMENDMENT, THAT WAS THE NORTHEAST DENTON AREA PLAN GOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS HOURS OF MY TIME AND OF MY FRIENDS TIME JUST GONE BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T EXIST ANYMORE. FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, JUST JUST ONCE, I WANT TO COME TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS JUST ONCE. AND I WANT TO LEAVE JUST BELIEVING THAT YOU GUYS CARE ABOUT US. JUST ONCE. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE TODAY, BUT ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE BECAUSE THEY DO. THEY'RE AT THE LEVEL THAT I WAS AT FOUR YEARS AGO. JUST LET THEM LEAVE THINKING THAT YOU GUYS CARE. THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON IN HERE THAT SAID ANYTHING POSITIVE EXCEPT FOR ONE. AND CONGRATULATIONS FOR COMING. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU FOR COMING. BUT WE GOT TO BE BETTER THAN THIS. LET THESE PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT THEIR 
          GOVERNMENT REPRESENTS THEM. THAT'S ALL I ASK. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP WITH THAT. SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS DIRECTION EMOTION FROM FROM THE DAIS. AND MIND YOU, IT'S 920. SO I'M GOING TO BE REALLY STRICT ON. OPINING TO THE DAIS. 
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QUESTIONS. LET YOUR YES BE YES NO BE NO. BUT BUT I'M NOT GOING TO LET US LECTURE EACH OTHER. 
          WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A VOTE AND GO FROM THERE. SO REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. 
          >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I REPRESENT THESE FOLKS DIRECTLY, AND EVEN FOR THE ONES IN THE ETJ, I FEEL LIKE IT'S MY DUTY IN THE COMMUNITY TO REPRESENT THEM IN THEIR INTERACTIONS WITH THE CITY. THEY OPERATE IN GOOD FAITH. THEY THEY COME BEFORE US AND I THINK THEY'RE MAKING THEIR WILL REALLY CLEAR. I WANT TO SAY THAT LEADING OFF, I THINK I THINK THERE'S A THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A, A HARSH TAKE ON SOME OF THE THINGS. I APPLAUD THE DEVELOPER FOR TAKING A REGIONAL WATER APPROACH. MANY OF THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE NORTHEAST CORRIDOR ARE NOT DOING THAT. I APPLAUD THE DEVELOPER FOR DOING A LOT OF WORK INTERNAL TO THIS PROPERTY, BUT I THINK YOU'VE HEARD OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE REAL CRUX OF THE MATTER IS IT'S IT'S AN ISLAND OF DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S LEAPFROG. AND WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY? NOT HOW DO WE BEST DEVELOP IT ONCE WE'VE DECIDED TO DEVELOP IT. BUT HOW DOES THAT INTEGRATE INTO THE LARGER REGION? YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A GOOD AND BAD. IT'S IT'S NOT AGREEING WITH GOAL ONE ON THE COMP PLAN. IT'S NOT AGREEING WITH CONTINUITY ON LU4. IT'S NOT AGREEING WITH FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE ON F5. IT'S NOT AGREEING WITH OUR CAPITAL COSTS AND UTILITY COSTS ON F6. I'M NOT SURE HOW WE TURN A BLIND EYE TO THIS DISAGREEMENT. WE AND WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES. WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED THE DRAINAGE AND WASTEWATER AT CLEAR CREEK AND THE IMPACTS OF THAT. WE. BUT I THINK THE MOST TELLING THING IS THE 10 TO 20 YEAR PLAN. WHEN WE ROLL THIS OUT, NED AND OTHERS, MISS SEYMOUR, MISS CRAVER ALL TALKED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN 20 YEARS WHEN CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT COUNCIL AT THE TIME, AND THOSE WE ARE GOING TO FACE DEBT, AS NED SAID, IT'S IT'S GOING TO HIT US AND WE HAVE TO ULTIMATELY MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION NOT TO DO LEAPFROG TO. THERE'S A REASON WE DON'T DO IT. 
          IT COSTS EXTRA TO THE CITY. THIS WILL NOT PAY FOR ITSELF. WE WE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE FINAL DATA, AS MANY PEOPLE SAID. SO WHILE I RESPECT THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS DONE DUE DILIGENCE TO WORK WITH THE CITY OVER A HONESTLY RELATIVELY FAST TIME SCALE COMPARED TO LANDMARK AND COAL, BUT BUT STILL OVER A OF A WHILE. I RESPECT THAT I GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR THAT. BUT WE ARE NOT ADDRESSING FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS THAT WILL HIT US IN 20 YEARS. THIS THIS IS THE WRONG LOCATION FOR MOST DEVELOPMENT. SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING ANY OF THESE THREE 
          MEASURES. >> OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          >> THANK YOU. MAYOR, CAN WE HAVE SOMEBODY SPEAK TO THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OUTER LOOP? SO IT'S PROJECTED TO KIND OF GO ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. IS THAT A DONE DEAL? 
          CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAIN THAT FOR THE AUDIENCE? >> YEAH. 
          >> MINHYUN SENIOR PLANNER MAX CHANDRA FROM OUR TRANSPORTATION TEAM TO COME UP AND ANSWER. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL CHANDRA, CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER. SO YOUR QUESTION REGARDING OUTER LOOP, IT'S UNDER ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY AS WE SPEAK. AND THEY HAVE TWO ALIGNMENTS AND ONE NO BUILD SCENARIO. AND. THE DRAFT WILL BE OUT IN FEBRUARY OF 2026. 
          WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD ALTHOUGH THE ALIGNMENT IS NOT SET, THE ALIGNMENT, WHICH IS THE SECTION B, HAS THE LEAST ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE DECISION HAS BEEN MADE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT'S ALL I NEED FROM YOU. SO I DO WANT TO I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THERE'S CERTAINLY THINGS I APPRECIATE ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND YOU CAN GO SIT DOWN. THERE'S THINGS I APPRECIATE ABOUT ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, SOME OF THE ASPECTS OF IT. I APPRECIATE THE PLANNING AND THE ALL THE I MEAN, THE STAGED GROWTH OF IT WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. SO THERE'S LOTS OF LOVELY THINGS IN IT. ABSOLUTELY. AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THINGS THAT I LIKE AND THINGS THAT I WANT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, 
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SITTING IN THIS SEAT, IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT OUR CITY IS ABLE TO FISCALLY SUSTAIN ITSELF LONG, LONG AFTER I'M GONE. AND I'M A STEWARD OF THE CITY, CREATING A LIVABLE CITY FOR US TODAY AND US IN THE FUTURE AS WELL. AND SO I'M ALWAYS LOOKING AT ANY PROPOSAL THAT COMES TO US. I WANT TO KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FUND THIS IN THE LONG TERM? SURE. YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE REVENUES ASSOCIATED WITH CERTAIN PROJECTS. THERE'S ALSO EXPENSES. AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IN THE LONG RUN, CAN WE MANAGE, CAN WE AFFORD TO SUSTAIN THE SERVICES, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE LONG TERM WITHOUT RAISING TAXES? I DON'T LIKE MY TAXES BEING RAISED. I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY BE EXCITED ABOUT GETTING THEIR TAXES RAISED. SO PART OF AVOIDING RAISING TAXES IS ENSURING THAT WE'RE MAKING SMART FISCAL DECISIONS IN ANY DEVELOPMENT, PROJECT OR SERVICE OR ANYTHING THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING BEFORE THIS BODY. SO AS I LOOK AT THE FISCAL ANALYSIS, IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE ROOM THAT CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FISCAL ANALYSIS? I HAVE THE WHOLE THING HERE, BUT I JUST NEED SOMEBODY THAT IS KNOWLEDGEABLE IN IT. SO THE FISCAL ANALYSIS PROJECT OR IT PROJECTS A $106 MILLION SURPLUS TO THE CITY DURING THE STUDY PERIOD. AND I THINK SOMEBODY TOLD ME THAT WE NEED A THIRD PARTY FISCAL ANALYSIS. THIS BASICALLY WAS A THIRD PARTY FISCAL ANALYSIS, CORRECT? WE HAD A SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT THE DEVELOPER, WHO'S 
          NOT THE CITY TO CALCULATE IT. YEAH. >> YOU NEED MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. CHARLIE ROSENTHAL INTERIM DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. THAT'S CORRECT. THIS 
          WAS A THIRD PARTY ANALYSIS. >> YES. THANK YOU CHARLIE. AND THEN HOW HOW DID THEY WHERE DID THEY GET THE INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME OF THESE CALCULATIONS? JUST LIKE WHERE 
          DID THE INFORMATION COME FROM. >> SO THERE WAS AN INITIAL REQUEST FROM CITY STAFF TO TAKE INFORMATION FROM BUDGET INFORMATION ABOUT LANE MILES AND DIFFERENT SERVICE UNITS TO 
          COME UP WITH THE BASIS FOR THE CALCULATIONS. >> OKAY. SO TWO OF DENTON'S LARGEST EXPENSES IN GENERAL ARE CAPITAL LIABILITIES LIKE STREETS AND DRAINAGE. AND IN TERMS OF DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS, SOME OF OUR BIGGEST EXPENSES ARE DEPARTMENTS LIKE FIRE AND POLICE GENERALLY. HOW ARE THESE EXPENSES ESTIMATED IN THE FISCAL ANALYSIS FOR STREETS AND 
          DRAINAGE TYPES OF THINGS, AND FOR LIKE EMERGENCY SERVICES? >> YEAH. SO THEY USE THE BUDGETED NUMBER AND THEN CAME UP WITH A COST FACTOR ON UNITS AND THEN PROJECTED OUT. SO IN THE INSTANCE OF STREETS IT WAS LANE MILES AND THE INSTANCE OF FIRE AND POLICE. IT WAS TOTAL 
          CALLS OKAY. >> ARE THE PROJECTED EXPENDITURES THAT ARE IN THE FISCAL ANALYSIS. ARE THEY BASED ON ACTUAL COST. SO I THINK WAS 400 MILLION IN INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          IS THAT THE NUMBER THAT I REMEMBER IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE WILL BE BUILT AS. 
          >> PART OF $462 MILLION IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. >> $460 MILLION. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE EXPENDITURES IN ALL THE CALCULATIONS OF THE FISCAL ANALYSIS, ARE DID THOSE TAKE THE ACTUAL COST OR ARE THEY BASED ON OUR CURRENT EXPENDITURES IN THOSE 
          CATEGORIES? >> THEY'RE BASED ON THE BUDGETED EXPENDITURES FROM THE 
          CITY'S FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET. >> OKAY. SO IT'S BASED ON BASICALLY WHAT ARE WE SPENDING ON THOSE THINGS CURRENTLY. BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT 462 MILLION. IS THAT CORRECT? 
          >> THAT'S CORRECT OKAY. >> AND THEN THE FISCAL ANALYSIS NOTES THAT ITS APPROACH ASSUMES THAT CURRENT LEVELS OF SERVICE WILL BE MAINTAINED IN THE FUTURE. SO THAT'S CURRENT WHATEVER LEVEL OF SERVICE WE HAVE FOR OUR SERVICES AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND SUCH, WHATEVER OUR CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS ARE NOW, WILL BE MAINTAINED IN THE FUTURE, EVEN THOUGH EVEN IF THEY MAY NOT BE ADEQUATE NOW. AND THAT'S JUST A QUOTE FROM THE FISCAL ANALYSIS. 
          SO WHETHER WE ARE ADEQUATELY FUNDING THINGS NOW OR NOT, THIS FISCAL ANALYSIS ASSUMES WE WILL CONTINUE THAT LEVEL OF FUNDING IN THE FUTURE. SO DOES THAT MEAN IF WE AREN'T ADEQUATELY FUNDING THINGS LIKE STREETS, DRAINAGE, FIRE AND POLICE TODAY, DOES THIS ANALYSIS ASSUME WE WILL CONTINUE TO EXPEND INADEQUATE FUNDS IN THESE CATEGORIES? IS THAT MY 
          UNDERSTANDING? >> I THINK IT WOULD ASSUME THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE FUNDING THEM 
          AT THE LEVEL THAT WE'RE FUNDING THEM NOW. >> OKAY. SO IF WE'RE UNDERFUNDING, IT ASSUMES WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO UNDERFUND. AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU FOR UNDERFUNDING OR NOT. OKAY. SO THEN THE FISCAL ANALYSIS NOTES THAT IN THE TEN YEAR PERIOD OF 2014 TO 2024, SERVICE CALLS TO POLICE AND FIRE GREW FASTER THAN POPULATION GROWTH AND FASTER THAN NEW STAFF LINES WERE ADDED. AND IT SEEMED TO OBSERVE OR IT INCLUDED. THIS IS 
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A QUOTE. RATHER THAN ASSUMING POLICE OR FIRE SERVICE CALLS INCREASE LINEARLY WITH POPULATION GROWTH, THIS APPROACH ADJUSTS FOR THE CITY'S DEMONSTRATED ABILITY TO HANDLE HIGHER CALL VOLUMES WITHOUT PROPORTIONAL INCREASES IN STAFF, SO IT DOES ACCOUNT FOR INCREASES IN STAFF. BUT I GUESS THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD THAT CALCULATION WAS THAT POLICE AND FIRE WILL CONTINUE TO ABSORB HIGHER AND HIGHER CALL VOLUMES PER STAFF MEMBER OVER TIME, WAS 
          HOW I UNDERSTOOD THAT. DOES THAT. >> YEAH. SO THEY WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT TIME AND THE THE INCREASE, THE STAFFING AND POLICE AND FIRE DIDN'T GROW LINEARLY, LINEARLY, LINEARLY, LINEARLY WITH POPULATION. BUT THERE WAS THINGS LIKE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF IN THE DEPARTMENTS MAY NOT INCREASE AT THE SAME RATE THAT A FRONTLINE STAFF WOULD. SO WITH EACH ADDITIONAL PERSON, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY EQUATE TO THAT SAME TREND, THAT THERE WOULD BE A REDUCED AMOUNT AS THE POPULATION INCREASES. 
          >> OKAY. >> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. SO. I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED BASED BASED ON WHAT I WAS READING FROM THE FISCAL ANALYSIS, THAT IT'S ASSUMING THAT OUR FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS WILL BE EXPECTED TO HANDLE HIGHER AND HIGHER WORKLOADS OVER TIME. AND I'M A LITTLE WORRIED THAT IT MIGHT BE AN UNDERESTIMATE OF OF THE EXPENDITURES NEEDED FOR FIRE AND POLICE, WHICH IS THE IS THAT THE BIGGEST PART OF OUR GENERAL FUND, I THINK, IS FIRE AND POLICE. YEAH. SO I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THAT. AND THEN I'VE BEEN TOLD PREVIOUSLY THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING ABOUT OKAY, SO YOU SAID 462 I NEED TO UPDATE THAT NUMBER. OKAY. SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING ABOUT A 462 MILLION IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. INFRASTRUCTURE AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. REMIND US, THE AUDIENCE WHO WILL FUND 
          THE INITIAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. >> THE DEVELOPER WILL FUND THE 
          INITIAL INFRASTRUCTURE. >> OKAY. AND THEN WHO WILL FUND THE MAINTENANCE OF THIS 
          INFRASTRUCTURE AFTER IT'S BUILT. >> THE CITY WOULD FUND SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE OF WELL, THE CITY WOULD FUND THE STREETS, DRAINAGE WITHIN THE DRAINAGE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THEN THE WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE EFFORT IS BUILT. OKAY. THE DEVELOPER WOULD MAINTAIN THE PARKS AND ANY DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE NOT WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          >> OKAY. AND THEN WHO WILL FUND THE EVENTUAL REPLACEMENT OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE? 
          >> IT WOULD BE THE CITY. >> WOULD BE THE CITY. APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH WILL IT COST TO REPLACE THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IN TODAY'S DOLLARS? IF IT'S IF WE'RE 
          STARTING WITH 462 MILLION. >> I THINK YOU COULD ASSUME THAT IT WOULD BE A SIMILAR 
          NUMBER TO THAT. >> OKAY. SIMILAR NUMBER. AT WHAT POINT DO WE ANTICIPATE BEGINNING TO NEED TO REPLACE SOME OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE AFTER HOW MANY YEARS? 
          >> SO IN THE INITIAL INFRASTRUCTURE PHASES IT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 30 YEARS. AND THEN IT'S A 20 YEAR BUILD OUT. SO ANY INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT AT THE END 
          OF THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE 40 TO 50 YEARS FROM NOW. >> OKAY. AND AND THE FISCAL ANALYSIS DOES OR DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT MOMENT WHERE WE START REPLACING THE 
          INFRASTRUCTURE. >> IT'S BUILT. SO SOME REPLACEMENT OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS BUILT WITHIN THE CURRENT BUDGET. SO IT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT FOR THE TRIP FACTORS. 
          BUT IT'S NOT LIKE LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. IT'S NOT A SPECIFIC ACTUAL COST. IT'S 
          BASED ON BUDGETED COSTS. >> RIGHT. SO WHATEVER WE'RE SPENDING TODAY WILL BE ASSUMED TO BE THE SAME AMOUNT WE SPEND IN THE FUTURE AT THAT SAME RATE, BASICALLY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN THE ANALYSIS INDICATES A 57.5 MILLION DEFICIT FOR THE STREET IMPROVEMENT FUND OVER THE STUDY PERIOD. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT CAUSED THAT IMBALANCE OF THE REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES? 
          >> YEAH. SO IN THE STREET IMPROVEMENT FUND, THE WAY THE REVENUES ARE CAPTURED IS FROM THE FRANCHISE FEES. AND THEN THE EXPENDED THE EXPENDITURES ARE BASED ON THE LANE MILES AND THEN THAT COST FACTOR. AND THAT'S WHAT CAUSED THE DIFFERENCE THE NEGATIVE DELTA 
          IN THERE. >> OKAY. AND I DO WANT TO CLARIFY TO THE AUDIENCE THAT THAT 57.5 MILLION DEFICIT IS INCORPORATED INTO THE OVERALL NET CALCULATION. SO WHICH IS CALCULATED TO BE 160 MILLION SURPLUS OVER THE STUDY PERIOD, SO THAT 57.5 MILLION DEFICIT IS INCLUDED IN THAT. OKAY. SO THEN ONE OF THE BIG EXPENSES OF THIS PROJECT WILL BE THE NEW WATER 
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AND WASTEWATER CAPACITY PIPES, SO ON AND SO FORTH. THE DEVELOPER WILL HELP PAY THESE CAPACITY INCREASES WITH THE WATER WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES. CORRECT? 
          >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> CAPACITY INCREASES. THE ANALYSIS ASSUMES THAT THE REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES WILL BE EXACTLY THE SAME FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES. 
          EVEN THOUGH THE CITY COUNCIL RECENTLY APPROVED ASSESSING DEVELOPERS AT ONLY 75% OF THE ALLOWABLE MAXIMUM RATE, THE ANALYSIS INDICATES THAT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THE TOTAL WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT YET. AND IS THAT STILL THE CASE? WE DON'T KNOW THE FULL COST NECESSARILY OF THE WATER WASTEWATER 
          INFRASTRUCTURE. >> FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. YES, WE DO FOR THE INTERNAL 
          CONSTRUCTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT. YEAH, WE HAVE THE. >> OKAY, BUT MAYBE NOT WHAT WE NEED TO DO ON OUR END OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO FACILITATE IT. 
          >> YEAH. THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS ARE WITHIN THE CITY'S MASTER PLANNING ALREADY. 
          SO THE INCREASED CAPACITY OF THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, THE THE WATER TRANSMISSION LINE THAT WILL SERVE THE PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE, AND THEN THE CLEAR CREEK INTERCEPTOR THAT'S 
          PLANNED. >> OKAY. WELL, AT THE TIME THAT THIS WAS WRITTEN, THEY SAID THAT THEY WEREN'T SURE OR THE THE COMPANY THAT MADE THE ANALYSIS WASN'T SURE OR DIDN'T. 
          I GUESS WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT THE TOTAL WATER WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS WOULD BE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND AND THEN IT STATES IN THE FISCAL ANALYSIS THAT ACTUAL INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS FOR WATER WASTEWATER MAY ACTUALLY EXCEED THE COLLECTED REVENUES. SO IT'S LIKELY THAT ACTUAL EXPENDITURES FOR WATER WASTEWATER WILL EXCEED OR NO. IS IT LIKELY THAT WATER WASTEWATER WILL EXCEED? PROJECTIONS IN TERMS OF THE COST TO REVENUE? RIGHT NOW IT HAS IT EVEN EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ONLY ASSESSING AT 75% OF THE TOTAL MAXIMUM COST OF THOSE 
          PROJECTS. >> YEAH, IT'S ASS EXPEND ALL OFT FEES THAT WOULD BE COLLECTED FROM THE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE COLLECT IMPACT FEES AND THEN CONSTRUCT THOSE WITH OTHER PROJECTS IN THE SERVICE AREAS. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS GOES, SINCE THE CITY'S ALREADY MASTER PLANNING THOSE AND THEN THOSE MASTER PLAN EFFORTS CAN SERVE THE DEVELOPMENT, THEN I WOULD SAY THAT, YES, WE WOULD END UP COLLECTING ENOUGH REVENUE TO COVER THE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS. OKAY. AND THEN THE MAINTENANCE WOULD BE COVERED THROUGH 
          SERVICE FEES. OKAY. >> SO WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE ANNUAL NET FISCAL IMPACTS GRAPH, THERE WAS A GRAPH IN THE FISCAL ANALYSIS WHICH THIS IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE IN THE NOVEMBER 21ST FRIDAY STAFF REPORT THAT YOU CAN YOU CAN GOOGLE THAT AND FIND IT. SO THE ANNUAL NET FISCAL IMPACTS GRAPH AND THE FISCAL ANALYSIS INDICATES DIPS IN PROFITABILITY WHEN SIGNIFICANT DEBT FINANCING OF CAPITAL EXPENDITURES IS INCURRED. THAT'S THE DESCRIPTION OF KIND OF WHY SOME OF THOSE DIPS HAPPEN. THESE DIPS EVENTUALLY BEGIN JUST RISING EVENLY AS THE DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES, BUILD OUT. AND THEN AFTER BUILD OUT THE GRAPH JUST ANTICIPATES NO MORE DIPS DURING THE STUDY PERIOD, WHICH SUGGESTS NO CAPITAL REPLACEMENT COSTS. DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT ACCURATE? WOULD YOU SAY THAT PROBABLY CAPITAL REPLACEMENT AFTER BUILD OUT IS COMPLETE IS NOT EXACTLY FACTORED IN, BECAUSE IT'S A 
          VERY EVEN LINE WITH NO BUMPS IN ANY, ANY DIRECTION? >> YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. AND I'LL JUST POINT OUT ALSO THIS IS A 40 YEAR STUDY PERIOD. SO SOME OF THOSE REPLACEMENT FACTORS WOULDN'T WOULD HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF THAT 40 YEAR PERIOD OKAY. 
          >> SO WE WOULDN'T SEE THE DIP UNTIL OUTSIDE OF THE STUDY PERIOD POTENTIALLY OKAY. SO AND LASTLY ON THE FISCAL ANALYSIS, IT GOES INTO GREAT DETAIL ABOUT HOW THE DIFFERENT PIECES WERE CALCULATED. SO BASICALLY HOW WE TOOK OUR CURRENT EXPENDITURES IN OUR CITY AS IT IS TODAY AND DIVIDED THAT BY POPULATION, POPULATION OF JOBS OR NUMBER OF HOMES OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT WAS, THERE'S GREAT DETAIL AND IT'S REALLY LINED OUT VERY IN A VERY DETAILED FASHION ABOUT HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE NUMBERS TO PLUG INTO THE ANALYSIS. BUT I WASN'T ABLE TO FIND THE ACTUAL ANALYSIS ANYWHERE. THERE WAS VERY LITTLE DETAIL, LIKE IN TERMS OF THE OUTPUT OF THE RESULTS OF THE ANALYSIS. SO I DIDN'T I WASN'T ABLE TO SEE HOW MUCH WE'RE ANTICIPATING FOR FIRE, HOW MUCH WE'RE ANTICIPATING FOR POLICE, HOW MUCH WE'RE ANTICIPATING IN COSTS AND REVENUES FOR FOR STREETS AND DRAINAGE. AND THE OUTPUT WAS VERY LIKE VAGUE. 
          DOES THAT LIVE SOMEWHERE THAT THAT DETAILED CALCULATION. SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THE ASSUMPTIONS WERE AND HOW MANY UNITS AND HOW MANY LANE MILES OF STREETS AND HOW MANY POPULATION HERE AND THERE. LIKE, DOES THAT EXIST ANYWHERE? BECAUSE I WASN'T ABLE TO FIND IT. 
          >> YES, WE STAFF DOES HAVE THE MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS THAT WAS USED TO INFORM THIS STUDY. 
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          >> OKAY. IS THAT AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC OR FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS AT LEAST, OR BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN LIKE THE DETAILED ANALYSIS. BUT I MEAN, I SEE THE METHODOLOGY AND I SEE LIKE A TINY CHART THAT TELLS ME THE OUTPUT OF THE CALCULATIONS, BUT THERE'S NOT LIKE A DETAILED BREAKDOWN OF HOW THE CALCULATIONS WERE ACTUALLY PRODUCED, HOW ALL THE NUMBERS WERE PLUGGED IN, AND WHAT ASSUMPTIONS WERE MADE WITHIN THE CALCULATIONS. I IS THAT 
          SOMETHING THAT I CAN ACCESS SOMEWHERE? >> YEAH, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT 
          WE CAN PULL TOGETHER. >> OKAY. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR FISCAL ANALYSIS. 
          COMPREHENSIVE PLAN QUESTIONS. IS THAT A GOOD QUESTION FOR YOU OR DO YOU WANT TO TRADE OUT. 
          >> YEAH. >> IT'S LIKE BROAD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN QUESTIONS. 
          I'LL LET YOU ALL TRADE OFF SO YOU CAN GO SIT DOWN FOR A BIT. HI, MIA. HELLO. CAN YOU SUMMARIZE THE PURPOSE OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? WHY DO CITIES DO THEM? 
          >> THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A POLICY DOCUMENT THAT PROVIDES GOALS AND PLANS AND POLICIES FOR THE LAND USE, DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY AND SOME OTHER AREAS. TRANSPORTATION ASPECTS ARE IN THERE. HOUSING ASPECTS ARE IN THERE. I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL OF THE CHAPTERS RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TOPICS THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TOUCHES. 
          >> OKAY. AND THEN HOW OFTEN ARE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS SUPPOSED TO BE UPDATED PER THE FIELD OF 
          PLANNING? >> UPDATED 5 TO 7 YEARS PLANNED ABOUT 20 YEARS OUT TYPICALLY. 
          >> OKAY, SO YOU UPDATE YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EVERY 5 TO 7 YEARS. IDEALLY. OKAY. AND OUR 
          LAST ONE WAS UPDATED 2022. >> YES. >> OR THAT'S WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED ANYWAY. AND BEFORE THAT IT WAS LIKE WAS IT 2015 2015. YEAH OKAY. AND THEN WHEN DO WE 
          ANTICIPATE OUR NEXT UPDATE? >> I BELIEVE I WILL LOOK TO OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR TO PROVIDE AN ANSWER ON THAT. PLANNING DIRECTOR, WE ARE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS NOW OF PURSUING SOME GRANT FUNDING TO HELP US WITH OUR NEXT UPDATE TO THE PLAN, WITH THE GOAL BEING THAT WE WOULD START THAT WORK IN 2026 WITH HOPEFUL ADOPTION IN 2027, FIVE YEARS AFTER THE LAST 
          UPDATE. >> ALL RIGHT. THANKS, HALEY. SO IN THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE MOBILITY UPDATE OCCURRED CONCURRENTLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO BETTER COORDINATE THEM. OR AT LEAST THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. WHY DID THE TWO PLAN UPDATES USE 
          DIFFERENT ESTIMATE ESTIMATES FOR POPULATION GROWTH? >> I DON'T KNOW PRECISELY THE ESTIMATES THAT WENT INTO THE MOBILITY PLAN. THE THE TWO UPDATES, ALTHOUGH SEMI CONCURRENT, WERE NOT PERFECTLY ALIGNED BY ANY MEANS. AND THE MOBILITY PLAN WAS ALSO LOOKING AT OTHER PLANS, SUCH AS THE COUNTY'S MOBILITY PLAN AND TECH STOCKS PLANS THAT HELPED INFORM THE ROADWAY ALIGNMENTS THAT WERE SHOWN THERE. I BELIEVE GENERALLY THE GROWTH 
          ASSUMPTIONS WERE THE SAME AT ABOUT 3%. >> OKAY, WE KIND OF HAVE GOTTEN DIFFERENT ANSWERS ON THAT. THAT MOBILITY PLAN HAD DIFFERENT PROJECTIONS FOR GROWTH THAN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND MAYBE YOU'RE NOT THE ONE WHO ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. SO WHAT I WHAT I WAS TOLD IN A PREVIOUS QUESTION WAS THAT THE NUMBERS WERE DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE MOBILITY PLAN FOR GROWTH PROJECTIONS. 
          >> IT'S POSSIBLE. >> THAT YOU MAY NOT YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. BUT I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT. I MEAN, I HAVE THE THE DENTON 2040 PLAN UP HERE WITH ME, AND IT DOES SAY THAT IT DID AS PART OF THE UPDATE. IT DID UPDATE THE FUTURE POPULATION GROWTH, HOUSING DEMAND, LAND CONSUMPTION, ETCETERA, ETCETERA. 
          >> YES. IT CARRIED FORWARD THE SAME GROWTH RATE PROJECTIONS AND JUST MULTIPLIED THOSE 
          NUMBERS OUT BY THE FIVE YEARS OR THE SEVEN YEARS IN BETWEEN. >> SO WHEN IT SAYS FUTURE 
          POPULATION GROWTH, IT TOOK THE OLD ASSUMPTION AND JUST DID. >> THOSE ASSUMPTIONS WERE ALL CARRIED FORWARD. BUT THE NUMBERS THEMSELVES WERE UPDATED BASED ON THE THE NUMBER OF 
          YEARS IN BETWEEN THE TWO PLANS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. AND THEN WHY DID THE MOBILITY PLAN PROJECT FOR MORE MAJOR ROADS THAN THE FUTURE LAND LAND USE MAP CALLED 
          FOR WHAT MIGHT BE A REASON THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN. >> THE THE BEST REASON THAT I'M AWARE OF IS THAT, LIKE I SAID, THE MOBILITY PLAN WAS ALSO LOOKING AT THOSE OTHER MASTER PLANS FOR THE COUNTY AND TEXDOT AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ROADWAYS THAT WERE KNOWN TO BE PLANNED AT THAT TIME. SO ALL OF THOSE WERE COPIED OVER FOR CONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE CITY, 
          THE COUNTY AND THE STATE'S PLANS FOR THE AREA. >> OKAY, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, ACTUALLY. OKAY, SO THE PUBLIC OR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS DEVELOPED. THE LAST UPDATE WAS DEVELOPED THROUGH SEVERAL PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY COUNCIL. 
          THIS IS THE 2030 PLAN THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AT THIS POINT. BUT WHEN PRESENTED WITH FOUR GROWTH SCENARIOS AND THEY WERE GIVEN THE FISCAL COSTS OF EACH GROWTH SCENARIO AS WELL AS THE 
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ENVIRONMENTAL COSTS, ONLY 16% OF RESIDENTS PREFERRED THE BUSINESS AS USUAL OPTION, WHICH IS BASICALLY SORT OF SPRAWLING OUT INTO, YOU KNOW, THE PERIPHERY OF THE CITY. ONLY 16% OF RESIDENTS THAT GAVE INPUT PREFERRED THAT OPTION AND INSTEAD PREFERRED A VARIETY OF. 
          THERE WERE THREE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE SORT OF CENTERED AROUND CORRIDORS OR LITTLE COMPACT CENTERS, ETC. AND SO THE COMP PLAN IS FOCUSED ON IT TOOK THE MOST POPULAR GROWTH SCENARIO THAT RESIDENTS PREFERRED AND MADE A PREFERRED GROWTH SCENARIO. AND THEN CORRECT. CORRECT ME ON THIS IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND KIND OF EVERYTHING ELSE BALLOONS OUT FROM THERE, RIGHT? SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY, HERE'S OUR PREFERRED GROWTH CONCEPT AND WE'RE GOING TO BASE OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP ON THAT. DOES THAT SOUND CORRECT? OKAY. 
          AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE COMP PLAN IS INTENDED TO MOVE US IN THAT DIRECTION. IS THAT 
          GENERALLY HOW COMP PLANS ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK? >> GENERALLY, YES. 
          >> OKAY. IS THIS IS SLIGHTLY A CHANGE. >> HERE IS. I'M SORRY. YES, SIR. 
          WE'VE BEEN GOING A BIT. ARE YOU ARE WE CLOSE? >> YEAH, I'M MORE THAN HALFWAY 
          FOR SURE. >> I KNOW YOU'RE CLOSER THAN YOU THINK. I'LL TELL YOU THAT. 
          >> I DON'T DO THIS OFTEN, BUT. >> THIS IS. HEY, I MEAN, I GET IT, BUT I MEAN, I DO, I DO, I'M TRYING. I HADN'T SAID A THING. AND YOU. I MEAN, I'M JUST STARTING A TIMER ON YOU, AND YOU'VE BEEN RUNNING A BIT. SO THE LESS LESS OPINING STRAIGHT ON JUST YES NO OR I MEAN, I GET IT BECAUSE AND LET ME FULL DISCLOSURE, ALL THIS COULD HAVE BEEN DONE WITH STAFF BEFORE, RIGHT? I GET IT. SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A POINT TO THOSE SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE, GREAT, LET'S DO THAT AND WRAP UP. BUT ALL THESE ANSWERS HAVE I'M CERTAIN YOU'VE ASKED THESE QUESTIONS BEFORE. SO YOU'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS. WE GOT THE WE GOT IT EARLY IN THE WEEK. I MEAN SO I GET IT THAT SO MAKE YOUR MAKE YOUR CASE. BUT STAFF HAS TO BE HERE AT 8:00 IN THE MORNING AND, AND THEY'VE BEEN HERE ALL DAY. AND SO I JUST AGAIN YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOVE THE FACT THAT I THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. IT MATTERS NOT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. 
          >> NO, I AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL. STAFF TIME IS IMPORTANT TO ME AS WELL. AND TRYING TO BALANCE IT ALSO WITH OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE FISCAL DECISIONS FOR OUR CITY. SO I THINK, HALEY, YOU CAN SIT DOWN. I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE YOU KEEP STANDING THERE. SO LET'S SEE. 
          I'M TRYING TO STICK TO QUESTION TYPE THINGS AND OR WRAP IT UP. I. I CARE ABOUT FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY FOR OUR CITY, AND I CARE ABOUT ENSURING THAT WE GENERATE ENOUGH REVENUE TO SUSTAIN THINGS THAT WE ADD TO OUR FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO RAISE TAXES LATER. 
          THE FISCAL ANALYSIS HAS A LOT OF MISSING INFORMATION FOR ME TO CONFIDENTLY MAKE A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE DECISION. I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SEE THE ACTUAL CALCULATIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED. WE DID NOT RECEIVE THE THE FULL FISCAL ANALYSIS UNTIL NOVEMBER 21ST, AND WE'VE HAD HOLIDAYS SINCE THEN AND LIMITED TIME. I'VE HAD LIMITED TIME TO TALK TO STAFF ABOUT THIS. OUR FIRST WORK SESSION THAT WE HAD ON THIS ITEM, I HAD NO LIKE I HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE FISCAL ANALYSIS REALLY WAS. AND SO I'VE HAD LIMITED TIME TO REALLY PROCESS IT THE WAY I WANT. AND I CAN'T IMAGINE MY COLLEAGUES HAVE MANAGED TO GET THROUGH ALL OF IT EITHER. MY END GOAL IS I DON'T WANT OUR FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS TO EXCEED OUR REVENUES, BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT OUR TAXES TO GO UP, AND THAT IS THE BASIS OF WHY I CARE ABOUT THAT. I DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN MAKE A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE DECISION AT THIS POINT IN TIME. WILL IT GIVE US SHORT TERM FINANCIAL GAIN? I THINK PROBABLY SO. AND THAT IS THE BENEFIT. SOMEBODY ASKED, WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF THIS TO THE CITY? THERE IS SHORT TERM FINANCIAL GAIN BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO SPEND AS MUCH MONEY MAINTAINING IT OR REPLACING IT. 
          SO THERE IS A PERIOD OF MR. WOODBRIDGE SHOWED US THAT CHART WHERE YOUR REVENUES GO UP UNTIL YOU START REPLACING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN YOU START TO POTENTIALLY HAVE TROUBLE. NOT NECESSARILY, BUT YOU CAN. BUT I JUST CAN'T TELL FROM THE FISCAL ANALYSIS IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LONG TERM NET SURPLUS OR NET DEFICIT, WE JUST DON'T KNOW. AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE AN ESTIMATE ON THAT. SO I CARE ABOUT THE FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY. AND THIS IS MY LAST POINT, MAYOR. I ALSO CARE ABOUT GIVING OUR COMMUNITY A SAY IN HOW OUR CITY DEVELOPS. 
          IT'S NOT MY CITY. IT IS OUR CITY. OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ONE OF THE PRIME, OR AT LEAST I THOUGHT IT WAS ONE OF THE PRIMARY WAYS THAT WE GET INPUT FROM RESIDENTS AND UNDERSTAND THE VISION OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE, AND THIS PROPOSAL GOES AGAINST THE CORE VISION OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU KNOW, IN ONE OF THE EARLIER PRESENTATIONS, IT SAID THAT MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES, ONE OF THE CRITERIA WAS IT SHOULD MATCH THE FUTURE LAND 
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USE MAP AND IT DOESN'T. SO I GUESS WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND THAT DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME. GIVEN THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS BASED ON A PREFERRED GROWTH CONCEPT THAT WAS GENERATED THROUGH PUBLIC INPUT. AND AND I'M CONCERNED THAT WHEN WE SAY THAT WE CAN MAKE THIS BIG OF A CHANGE TO OUR CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CREATE BASICALLY A SECOND CITY THAT'S THE SIZE OF CORINTH, THAT WE CAN JUST CHANGE OUR COMPREHENSIVE, CURRENT, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO MAKE IT HAPPEN TELLS ME OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOESN'T MATTER IN RESIDENT INPUT DOESN'T MATTER. THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE. SO WITH SUCH A HUGE AMENDMENT, I WOULD RATHER ESPECIALLY WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE COMING DOWN SOON, I WOULD RATHER THIS BE INCORPORATED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE AND THAT THE PUBLIC BE ABLE TO CONSIDER. IS THIS THE TYPE OF GROWTH WE WANT? IS IT NOT LIKE MAYBE WE DO WANT THIS TYPE OF GROWTH? I DON'T KNOW, I'M TOTALLY OPEN TO INCLUDING IT AS A SCENARIO OR WITHIN THE SCENARIOS OF COMPREHENSIVE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, BUT WE NEED TO SHOW OUR RESIDENTS THAT THAT THIS IS A COMMUNITY. 
          COMMUNITY VISION MATTERS, AND WE NEED TO SHOW SOME RESPONSIBILITY IN IN HONORING THAT VISION AND HONORING ALL OF THAT INPUT THAT PEOPLE GAVE TO US. SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, ON THIS DAY, I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT. AS IT STANDS TODAY, THERE'S JUST TOO MANY 
          QUESTIONS LEFT. THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. 
          >> I. AM GOING TO TAKE ONE FOR THE TEAM. I AM GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT HERE AND THEN I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. RIGHT NOW NO ONE HAS SECOND THE MOTION. SO IT COULD VERY WELL FAIL. BUT I AM STILL GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT. WHAT I'VE HEARD AND UNDERSTOOD AS EACH ONE WAS COMING UP, THERE WERE SOME THAT WERE COMPLETELY NOT FOR THE PLAN. AND THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S UNUSUAL FOR US TO TO HEAR AND UNDERSTAND AS WE'RE GROWING. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE HEARD MANY RESIDENTS SAY THAT, NO, WE DON'T WANT THAT. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH A WAY TO SLOW, SLOW IT DOWN AND THINK ABOUT IT AND PROCESS IT. AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. BUT THAT THAT DOES HAPPEN ROUTINELY, YOU KNOW, AS AS MEMBERS OF THE DAIS, WE, WE, WE DO GET THAT AND WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT. HOWEVER, I DID HEAR FOR THE MOST PART, I DIDN'T I DIDN'T DO MY LITTLE CHICKS AND, YOU KNOW, AND MARKS, BUT FROM WHAT I CAN, FROM WHAT I CAN GATHER, IS THAT THERE'S REALLY NOT AN ISSUE WITH THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE PROCESS HAPPENING. I HEARD MORE SO THAT WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN AND COME BACK AND PUT A PAUSE ON IT AND RETHINK IT. AND LET'S, LET'S DO SOMETHING IN THE NEW YEAR. THAT IS WHAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING AS EVERYONE WAS COMING UP. AND THEN THERE WERE SOME THAT SAYS, NO, YOU KNOW, I GOT THAT, I HEARD THAT, BUT I WAS REALLY HEARING MORE SO BECAUSE I WROTE IT DOWN AS I START OBSERVING IT, THAT WE ARE JUST NOT READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS YET. WE WANT TO PAUSE IT. WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, AND WE AT SOME POINT HAVE TO GET TO THAT POINT, OKAY? WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET TO ANY ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS PROJECT IF WE DO NOT SAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND PUT IT ON THE TABLE AND OPEN IT UP AND LET'S DIGEST IT AND WORK WITH THESE PEOPLE. WE WANT TO WORK WITH THESE PEOPLE. IF WE COME IN HERE WITH THE MINDSET, NO, WE WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE WESTERN PART OF THE CITY. WE GOT PEOPLE TRYING TO DO SOME WORK OUT HERE ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE CITY, DOWN UNIVERSITY DRIVE. THERE'S THERE'S GROWTH COMING THAT WAY. GROWTH IS COMING UP IN THE NORTHWEST AS WELL. 288 IS GETTING READY TO BE BUILT OUT HERE BY THE STATE I-35. THEY'RE GETTING READY TO FINISH UP THE LOOP ON 288 COMING UP. WE CAN SEE ALL THE WORK OVER HERE ON 35 AND 35 W. THIS IS HERE. IT'S RIGHT NOW. AND ALL OF THAT. THOSE DECISIONS WERE MADE 10 TO 15 YEARS AGO. IT TOOK LANDMARK TEN YEARS TO GET HERE. THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST MADE UP OVERNIGHT. THESE PEOPLE DIDN'T JUST SHOW UP. THAT LAND WAS PURCHASED A WHILE AGO BY A 
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BY A FAMILY THAT SOLD IT. AND SO THE IDEA TO JUST SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT IT. LET'S THINK ABOUT THE IDEA OF SAYING, LET'S GO AHEAD AND START WORKING WITH THESE PEOPLE. THAT HAS HAPPENED TO US BEFORE HERE IN THIS IN THIS DAIS AS WELL. WELL, WE HAD A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN A CERTAIN AREA DEVELOPMENT WANTED TO COME IN. INITIALLY THEY SAID NO, AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN WORK WITH THEM. AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, WE HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH THESE FOLKS, AND THEY'RE GIVING US MOST OF WHAT WE WANT, AND WE CAN BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AT SOME POINT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, DO WE JUST NOT EVEN GET TO THIS POINT? SHE'S TRYING TO MAKE A POINT. SHE'S TRYING TO GET TO SOME ANSWERS. SHE'S NEVER GOING TO GET THOSE ANSWERS IF EVERYTHING'S NO IF WE CAN SAY AND GET THIS MOTION IN AND WE CAN GET A SECOND AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE COMMENTS. AND IF THIS DAY IS DECIDED TO SAY NO, THEN THESE FOLKS HAVE GOT TO GO AND DO SOMETHING ELSE. BUT WE'RE NOT EVEN GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY TO TO ALLOW US TO WORK WITH THEM AND GET THESE ANSWERS. 
          THOSE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT SHE HAD. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THOSE ANSWERS. THEY'RE GOING TO PACK UP AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. OKAY. SO THEN GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON OUT THERE EVER EVER. OKAY. SO THEN THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO MAYOR, IS I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THE MOTION IN FOR APPROVAL. IF WE DON'T GET THE SECOND, THEN WE KNOW 
          THAT IT'S GOING TO FAIL. >> OKAY. >> AND AND. 
          >> AND JUST AND THAT'S ITEM A BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME. SO MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM A FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BEFORE. SO LET ME DO THIS. I GUESS YOU CAN YOU CAN CALL UP WHOEVER YOU NEED TO REAL QUICK. ROADS WILL BE TURNED OVER TO THE CITY, RIGHT? I GATHER THAT RIGHT. GOT IT. AND THEN JUST THESE ARE MY NOTES FROM THIS MEETING THAT I. THAT I WANT TO TOUCH ON. I WAS GOING TO HAVE YOU PULL UP THE MAP. I WON'T DO IT. TRUST ME. I LOOKED IT UP THE THE THIS LOCATION GENERALLY CENTERS LOCATIONS 5.8 MILES FROM THE COUNTY EXPO CENTER. WHO'S COLLECTING TAXES RIGHT NOW? ANYONE KNOW THE NUMBER OF ACRES? I THINK IT'S UP TO ABOUT 700 ACRES FOR THAT COUNTY EXPO CENTER. OKAY, IT'S JUST ON. IT'S JUST ON THE WEST SIDE OF 35, RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MILAM, 5.5 FAIR. YEAH. 55.8 MILES AWAY FROM THIS PROPERTY. 
          NOT TO MENTION THE LOOP, NOT TO MENTION THAT DEVELOPMENT. THEN I ALSO LOOKED UP BECAUSE I'M CURIOUS. AND SO AGAIN, IF I HAD TIME, I'D PULL UP THE MAP, BUT I'M TRYING TO HURRY. SO IT'S SIX. IT'S EIGHT MINUTES FROM C.H. COLLINS, WHICH HOSTS ALMOST EVERY PLAYOFF GAME, EVERY FOOTBALL GAME IN DENTON ISD EIGHT MINUTES AWAY. AND THAT'S 5.8 MILES. AND THEN IT'S 11 MINUTES AWAY FROM THAT MOBILE HOME PARK THAT'S IN THE ETJ RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE LOOP. 
          SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ETJ VERSUS CITY AND IT'S WAY OUT AND IT'S ALL THESE THINGS, WELL, WE HAVE ETJ RIGHT NEXT TO THE CITY, SO YOU CAN'T USE THAT AS A GUIDING LIGHT. BUT JUST TO SAY THAT THAT AREA IS SUPREMELY DENSE IS 6.8 MILES AWAY. AND THEN JUST TO MATTER OF FACT, IT WAS MENTIONED ENTERING THE LOOP THERE, LONG ROAD AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. I BET YOU IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE GROUND ARE 6 OR 7. AND AGAIN, THAT'S THAT WOULD BE ABOUT SEVEN MILES AWAY FROM THIS, THIS LOCATION. SO THAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME FROM A GEOGRAPHIC STANDPOINT. THEN I ALSO. WANTED TO ASK ABOUT TRAFFIC PLANS PENDING. WHERE ARE WE? HOW WOULD THAT WITH THE FUTURE PHASES, HOW WOULD THAT TRAFFIC PLAN PLAY OUT? 
          >> SURE. SO I'LL TO MAYBE CLARIFY IF I MISSPEAK, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE PLAN IS FOR EACH PHASE TO SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION OF ROADWAYS WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PHASE. SO THE CONSTRUCTION OF ROADWAYS FOR ADEQUATE TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE TRANSPORTATION WITHIN THE AREA AND THEN ADJACENT TO THAT PHASE 
          OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE REQUIRED AS WELL. OKAY. >> AND AS TRAFFIC WOULD INCREASE ON THOSE MAIN STATE HIGHWAYS THAT WOULD IMPACT THAT OR THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BECOME 
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          CUMULATIVE. >> I'LL CALL ON CHANDRA TO ANSWER. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. YES, SIR. WITH THE DEVELOPMENT INSIDE THE RANCH, THE DEVELOPER WILL BUILD TO THE ROADWAYS TO THE ULTIMATE WIDTH ON THE OFF SIDES. WE WILL CATCH THEM ON INDIVIDUAL PHASES AS AND WHEN THEY DEVELOP FOR MITIGATIONS. 
          SIGNALS ON LOOP FOR 28. WE HAVE BEEN TOLD FROM TECH START THAT THEY HAVE PLANS BECAUSE OF THE OUTER LOOP GOING IN AND THE LOOP 288 WIDENING FOR 28 IS A CONNECTING PIECE. IT IS DESIGNED OR RIGHT OF WAY IS ALREADY DEDICATED FOR A SIX LANE ARTERIAL. BUT THE CONSTRUCTION THEY DON'T HAVE FUNDING RIGHT NOW. SO ANYTHING IT WILL BE AFTER 2028. 
          >> RIGHT? OKAY. THANK YOU FROM THE APPLICANT. IF YOU COULD HELP ME GIVE GIVE ME A FEEL FOR YOUR TIMELINE. SO OBVIOUSLY THIS ENTITLEMENT IS ONE THING, BUT HOW FAR ARE WE AWAY FROM 
          ACTUAL MOVING DIRT? >> YES, SIR. IT'S IT'S NOT AN EASY PROCESS. AND SO WE DO HAVE TO STILL GO THROUGH THE ENGINEERING AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND THE AND THE TIA FOR EACH PARTICULAR PHASE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT EARLIEST THREE YEARS FROM NOW WOULD BE 
          PHASE ONE. >> SO THREE YEARS FROM NOW, HE SAID 28 IS THAT TIME FRAME. 
          THAT'S TWO YEARS OUT RIGHT. THE STATE HIGHWAY YOU SAID 28. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHARLIE. I DON'T THINK YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN. BUT SO PHASE ONE. RIGHT. SO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE DONE ON ON THE TOTAL INFRASTRUCTURE NUMBER. RIGHT. A LOT WAS MADE OF THAT. BUT PHASE ONE INFRASTRUCTURE GOES IN THREE YEARS FROM NOW. AND THEN THAT STARTS THE CLOCK ON THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WOULD THEN LAST 30 YEARS. 
          >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND THEN PHASE TWO, LET'S SAY IF IT'S ANYTHING LIKE LIKE LANDMARK, IT'S PROBABLY A COUPLE YEARS BEHIND OR A YEAR AND SOME CHANGE BEHIND, THEN THAT STARTS THE NEW CLOCK ON THAT, RIGHT ON THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S NOT ALL NOT $400 MILLION IN INFRASTRUCTURE DUMPS ON US ONCE AND THEN GETS GETS RE. 
          >> YES, SIR. YOU'RE CORRECT. >> OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN SOME OF THE SPEAKERS I DO WANT TO SPEAK TO THOSE REAL QUICK. FOR THOSE THAT THINK THAT WE TELL TXDOT WHAT TO DO OR TXDOT REACTS WHAT WE DO JUST FOR JUST SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IN REAL LIFE. 
          SO LOCUST AND ELM WAS TURNED OVER TO THE CITY. THE CITY OWNS THOSE ROADS. WE GOT THEM FROM TXDOT. TXDOT TOLD US IF WE CHANGE ANYTHING ON THEM, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE IT BACK. 
          THAT'S THAT'S WHAT LIFE IS DEALING WITH. TXDOT. IT'S NOT THE CITY OF DENTON TELLING TXDOT WHAT TO DO, IT'S TXDOT TELLING THE CITY OF DENTON, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND YOU'LL LOVE IT. THAT THAT, THAT THAT'S HOW THAT GOES. SO WHOEVER SAID TXDOT WOULD DEFER TO THE CITY? I DISAGREE BECAUSE WE'RE LIVING IT RIGHT NOW. AND THEN THE AG ZONING I DO WANT. 
          THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION. BUT WHEN WE BRING SOMETHING, CHARLIE, I GUESS YOU'D HELP ME. 
          NO, NO, MIA, THAT'S A MIA THING, I THINK. SO WHEN WE BRING SOMETHING IN FROM THE FROM ETJ, IT AUTOMATICALLY GETS A PLACEHOLDER OF AG. IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. RIGHT. SO THE QUESTION WAS IN THIS MEETING. YEAH. IT WAS EITHER THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT PUT INTO IT OR IT WAS A PLACEHOLDER. THE ANSWER IS IT'S A PLACEHOLDER. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO THAT THAT WAS ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO CLEAR UP BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION. AND THEN THE. THE MIA HELP ME UNDERSTAND IS EVERYTHING IN HERE, IS IT CONCEPTUAL OR IS IT NAILED DOWN, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S CHANGES NEEDS TO BE MADE? FAIR QUESTION. IF THE LOOP COMES IN AND CHANGES SOMETHING OR ENVIRONMENTALS COME IN DIFFERENT, THERE'S THERE'S FLEXIBILITY. THERE HAS TO BE FLEXIBILITY. I'M ASSUMING TO TO DIAL THOSE THINGS IN 
          ACCURATELY. >> YEAH. IT'S FLEXIBLE. THE BASE ZONING PRETTY MUCH IS WHAT IS WHERE AND WHERE THE LOCATIONS OF THOSE ARE. IT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT'S WHAT'S THERE. 
          AND THEN AS FAR AS EACH PHASE OR EACH THE DEVELOPMENT OF EACH PHASE, THEY'LL HAVE TO COME IN AND PLAT AND ALL THAT STUFF AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ROADWAYS AND OTHER THINGS THAT THAT MIGHT BE 
          OCCURRING AT THAT TIME. >> GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN AND THEN GIVING CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE, TRAVIS WAS SPOT ON THAT LAND, THE CARTER RANCH AND THE ISSUES DEALING WITH THERE THAT THAT LANDOWNER HAS ISSUES, NO QUESTION. THAT'S WELL DOCUMENTED. BUT WHAT HE DID LEAVE OUT IS THAT THERE'S A THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BOUGHT 90 ACRES RIGHT THERE, AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GROWTH BETWEEN HERE AND THERE, THAT PROCESS STARTED WHEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS SENSITIVE TO IT, BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT 90 ACRES TO PUT A SCHOOL ON THE CARTER RANCH PROPERTY. AND SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW. AND SO AS I LOOK AT TWO YEARS OUT BEFORE THE ROAD'S DONE, THREE YEARS OUT BEFORE THEY'RE POTENTIALLY MOVING DIRT, HOW MUCH BETWEEN DENTON AND THERE WILL BE DEVELOPED AND CHANGE OVER THAT TIME? I DON'T KNOW. AND THEN LASTLY, I'LL SAY FROM A FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY 
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STANDPOINT, I THINK WE'RE ALL FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, RESPONSIBLE AND SENSITIVE, AND I'M HYPER SENSITIVE TO THAT. BUT I DO WANT TO ASK WHO CAN SPEAK TO ABOUT THE BUDGET, WHAT IS WHAT DOES THIS MONEY COME FROM? THE THE BUDGET? IS THAT FROM THE GENERAL FUND OR. YEAH, EVERYTHING PIVOTS OFF THE GENERAL FUND. CORRECT. RIGHT. SO THEN WHEN, WHEN, WHEN THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL DECIDED TO PICK A FIGHT WITH THE STATE OVER MARIJUANA AND 
          THAT COST US $200,000, DID THAT COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND? >> I WOULD ASSUME. 
          >> SO, YEAH. AND THEN $1.2 MILLION, WHEN WE HAD TO TAKE THE CASE TO STATE THAT CAME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. CORRECT. RIGHT. NONE OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT. WHEN WINTER STORM URI HIT AND WE HAD TO TAKE OUT A LOAN BECAUSE THEY SHUT OFF OUR GAS THAT COST US $300 MILLION, THAT COME OUT OF SOME SOME UTILITY FUNDS AND SOME GENERAL FUNDS. EITHER WAY, I'M JUST SAYING YOU GET THE POINT. THERE ARE THINGS THAT THIS COUNCIL MAKES DECISIONS OUTSIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL DICTATE FUTURE TAX RATES AND FUTURE TAX COSTS, AND HOW FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WE ARE AND HOW FISCALLY WE PLAN WILL DICTATE THEIR TAXES MORE SO THAN A STREET 30 YEARS FROM NOW. AND SO WE'VE GOT TO GET WE DON'T HAVE A A MONEY INCOME PROBLEM. WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM THAT WE NEED TO GET IN LINE. AND SO WE CAN ABSOLUTELY AFFORD TO FIX EVERY STREET IN THE PLANET. NOW THE QUESTION IS CAN THE BUSINESSES HANDLE IT? BUT BUT WE CAN DO IT. AND SO THAT TO ME WAS IMPORTANT. IT'S NOT THE FEASIBILITY AND ABILITY TO FIX STREETS. IS THIS COUNCIL MAKING GOOD FISCAL DECISIONS AND NOT WASTING MONEY ON ATTORNEY'S FEES AND OTHER THINGS? AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. SO BUT I APPRECIATE THE INPUT. AND JUST BECAUSE WE SEE IT DIFFERENT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE PRO OR AGAINST EACH OTHER. WE SEE IT DIFFERENT. AND I THINK THAT'S FAIR TO TO TO HAVE THAT APPROACH. I, I GREW UP ON OUR LAST THING, I GREW UP ON BONNIE BRAE STREET AND MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, WHERE THEIR HORSES WERE LOOKED EXACTLY LIKE Y'ALL'S PROPERTY. NOW IT'S A HOSPITAL, A MEDICAL FACILITIES, ALL THOSE THINGS. THE CITY WIPED OUT MY HOUSE BECAUSE THEY'RE WIDENING BONNIE BRAE AGAIN. SO I GET IT. I'VE LIVED IT, I UNDERSTAND IT, AND IT'S CHALLENGING. BUT FOR ME, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE A PREVIOUS COUNCIL IN 2008 ANNEXED THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY INTO THE CITY, AND TO ME THAT WAS THE OVERREACH. WHOEVER WAS ON COUNCIL THAT DAY, THAT WAS THE OVERREACH. AND I HAVE A I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT. BUT AS A COUNCIL, AS YOU CAN ONLY SERVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. AND SO MY TIME IS NOW AND I INHERITED THAT FROM THAT COUNCIL. AND THAT IS PROBLEMATIC. AND THAT IS FRUSTRATING. AND I GET THAT. SO ANYWAY, ANYONE ELSE BEFORE IS THERE A SECOND OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON ON ITEM A ANY ANYONE ELSE. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND. OUR SECOND FOR A VOTE. SO WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND FOR ITEM A ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          SIX. >> I'LL JUST SAY THIS IS IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPETING FACTORS COMPETING PROS AND CONS. I'M MAKING A DECISION OF WHAT I THINK IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR CITY, WHICH IS WE NEED MORE HOMES. THAT IS WHAT IT SAYS ACROSS THE BOARD AS FAR AS OUR NEEDS. I DON'T THINK THAT BY STOPPING THIS TODAY THAT IT'S GOING TO STOP THE DEVELOPMENT FROM COMING. I MEAN, THIS IS WHERE THE ROADS ARE GOING. WE SEE THIS IN DECATUR. WE SEE IN ALL OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MOVE HERE, AND PEOPLE HAVE CERTAIN PROPERTY RIGHTS. AND BEING IN THE CITY OF DENTON WITH THE ADVANTAGES THAT COME FROM HAVING THESE HOMES IN THE CITY IS VERY GREAT. AND I THINK THAT FOR THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE WITH THE SCHOOLS AND THE FIRE AND POLICE AND THE CONCESSIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE, THE PROTECTION OF THE THE DEDICATION OF PARKLANDS. I MEAN, IT IS IT'S A VERY TOUGH DECISION, HOWEVER, FOR THE CITY, WHICH IS WHAT I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK OUT FOR. I THINK IT'S IN ITS BEST INTEREST. SO I JUST WANTED TO LET LET YOU KNOW WHY I WAS VOTING THE WAY I WAS VOTING. 
          THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. 
          >> THANK YOU MAYOR. I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTERACT WITH A NUMBER OF YOU ALL OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR CONVERSATIONS. YOUR EMAILS ALSO BECAUSE IT'S TOP OF MIND. 
          NED, REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD EARLIER BEING PROMPTED TO GO BACK TO STAFF AND ASK A FEW QUESTIONS I HAD NOT THOUGHT ABOUT. HERE'S WHAT THIS ULTIMATELY COMES DOWN TO FOR ME. 83 PEOPLE A DAY MOVED TO DENTON COUNTY. MANY OF THEM COME TO THIS VERY COMMUNITY, AND I'M COMPARING DENTON NOW TO WHAT AUSTIN WAS 25 TO 30 YEARS AGO. 
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BACK THEN, AUSTIN HAD A NO GROWTH MINDSET. AND WHAT HAPPENED? AUSTIN EXPANDED AND IT BOOMED FASTER THAN THERE WERE RESIDENTS AVAILABLE FOR THE PEOPLE. TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES CAME, THE UNIVERSITY EXPANDED, AND PEOPLE FROM CALIFORNIA AND ILLINOIS AND NEW YORK AND FLORIDA MOVED TO AUSTIN. AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THE AUSTINITES? THEY GOT BOUGHT OUT OF THEIR HOMES. AUSTIN IS ONE OF THE FEW LARGE CITIES IN AMERICA THAT IS LOSING POPULATION. THEY GOT BOUGHT OUT OF THEIR HOMES BY PEOPLE MOVING TO AUSTIN FOR JOBS. I DON'T WANT THAT HAPPEN TO HAPPEN RIGHT HERE IN DENTON. FOR ME, ONE OF THE BEGINNING PRINCIPLES THAT I WAS TAUGHT OF BUSINESS OR THE THE IDEA OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND, I'M OF THE OPINION THAT WHEN THERE IS MORE HOUSING AVAILABLE, IT DRIVES DOWN THE PRICE OF HOUSING FOR EVERYBODY, SUPPLY AND DEMAND. BY VIRTUE OF THE NEXT 20 YEARS OF THIS PROJECT. IF IT IS COMPLETED AT BUILD OUT, IT WILL PROVIDE MORE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING HERE, THEREBY ALLOWING MANY OF US ALREADY HERE TO STAY IN OUR HOMES. PEOPLE LIKE ME, SINGLE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD A WHOLE LOT OF LAND, WHO CAN'T AFFORD A WHOLE LOT OF HOUSE. MY VOTE TODAY IS TO PROTECT DENTON NIGHTS. TODAY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO STAY IN THIS CITY. THAT'S WHAT THIS CAME DOWN TO FOR ME. VERY SIMPLE SUPPLY AND DEMAND. I WILL BE VOTING TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ENGAGEMENT. 
          >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. >> I HEAR. 
          >> VIRTUALLY EVERY DAY WE HAVE TOO MANY APARTMENTS. WE HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF PEOPLE. WE HAVE TOO MANY APARTMENTS. I BELIEVE THAT I THINK WE NEED MORE AND MORE HOUSES. I 
          APPRECIATE MORE HOUSES AND I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          TWO. >> I HEAR ALL THE ARGUMENTS FROM MY COLLEAGUES ON THE DAIS. 
          THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS OUR CENTRALIZED RADIAL GROWTH PLAN THAT'S IN OUR COMP PLAN, SAYS, PUT THE DENSITY IN THE CENTER AND EASE THE DENSITY AS YOU GO OUT TOWARDS THE RURAL FRINGE. 
          THIS IS PUTTING EVERYTHING AT THE FARTHEST EDGE OF THE RURAL FRINGE, SO WE COULD INCREASE 4% IN OUR CITY WITH TRANSITIONAL INFILL. WE COULD WE COULD REACH THE GOALS, BUT NONE OF WHAT THE COUNCIL ASKED FOR IS NOT ACHIEVABLE WITH STAYING WITH THE COMP PLAN. SO I WISH WE WOULD FOLLOW THE COMP PLAN. I AS I SAID EARLIER, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THESE. 
          >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. >> WHEN THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT COMES ABOARD AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL. WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF MORE VOTES TO GO ON THIS. I CAN ENVISION IF I WANTED TO LIVE OUT THERE, EVERYTHING I NEED IS GOING TO BE OUT THAT WAY. UNLESS I WANT TO DO SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC AND DRIVE SEVEN MILES INTO THE CITY, I CAN ENVISION MY MOVIE THEATER IN MY WALK, MY PARKS, AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ELSE THEY SAY THEY WERE GOING TO GIVE US AND THEN HOME THAT I WANT TO LIVE IN NEXT TO A BEAUTIFUL LAKE UP THERE. I CAN I CAN SEE THAT FOR MYSELF. BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO IF WE DON'T GET GET PAST THIS AND WORK WITH THESE FOLKS TO HAVE THEM TO GIVE US WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT WE NEED AND HOW WE NEED IT. WE'LL JUST NEVER KNOW. OR IT WILL BE PUSHED BACK SO FAR THAT WE WON'T GET TO THAT POINT TO EVEN KNOW. AND AGAIN, WE WHEN I GOT ON, WHEN I GOT ON THE COUNCIL, THEY SAID WE NEEDED 7000 MORE UNITS. OUR UNIVERSITIES WERE GROWING AND THEY WERE ASKING US WHERE, WHERE, WHERE MY STUDENTS ARE GOING TO LIVE. AND WE HAD TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE FOLKS, AND THEY'RE STILL BUILDING ON THEIR PROPERTY. SO WE'RE ACCOMMODATING BOTH OF THE GROWING UNIVERSITIES AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANT TO MOVE HERE AND BE A PART OF OUR LIFESTYLE HERE. I AM HOPING THAT WE CAN GET SOME VOTES FOR THIS, AND THEN WE CAN PUT OUR DEVELOPERS UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE AS TO WORK WITH US IN, 
          IN PROVIDE WHAT WE NEED. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ITEM A, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE IS VOTE ON THE SCREEN. 
          WHO IS MISSING? >> I DON'T HAVE A VOTE. >> ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER 
          HOLLAND'S NOT SEEING HIS. DO WE NEED TO RESET IT? YOU SEE IT? >> THERE YOU GO. 
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          >> ALL RIGHT. VOTE ON SCREEN. PASSES FIVE TWO. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM B. I'VE ALREADY CALLED 
          [B. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding a Comprehensive Plan Amendment to modify the Thoroughfare Map of the 2022 Mobility Plan, including but not limited to modification to the roadway alignment of the future east west connection in Craver Ranch. The general location of the target road is located south and west of FM 2153, east of FM 2164, north of Shepard Road in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official Mobility Plan; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted (5-1) to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Chair Pruett and seconded by Commissioner McDuff. (MPA25-0003b, Craver Ranch, Sahar Esfandyari).]
          IT. I'LL TAKE A MOTION REPRESENTING FROM DISTRICT FIVE. >> MOVE APPROVAL. 
          >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. >> I'LL SECOND. 
          >> HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND FOR ITEM B. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SIX ONE TAKES US TO ITEM C I KNOW. YEAH. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          [C. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas regarding a change in the zoning district and use classification from Rural Residential (RR) District to a Planned Development (PD) District with base zoning of Residential 4 (R4) District, Residential 7 (R7) District, Mixed Use Neighborhood (MN) District, Mixed Use Regional (MR) District, Public Facilities (PF) District on approximately 2,499.35 acres of land generally located west and south of FM 2153, east of FM 2164, and north of Gribble Springs and Shepard Road, in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official zoning map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted (4-2) to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Dyer and second by Commissioner Ketchersid. (PD25-0003a, Craver Ranch MPC, Mia Hines)]
          FIVE. >> APPROVAL. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE IS VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES FIVE TWO TAKES US TO ITEMS ID 251971. CONDUCT A SECOND OF TWO PUBLIC 
          [D. Conduct the second of two public hearings and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton approving a second amended and restated strategic partnership agreement between the City of Denton and Denton County Municipal Utility District No. 16 providing for limited purpose annexation and the terms for eventual full-purpose annexation of property located in the city’s extraterritorial jurisdiction; and providing an effective date.]
HEARINGS AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON APPROVING A SECOND AMENDMENT AMENDED AND RESTATED STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF DENTON AND DENTON COUNTY MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT NUMBER 616 AND PROVIDING A LIMITED PURPOSE. 
          ANNEXATION AND THE TERM FOR EVENTUAL FULL PURPOSE ANNEXATION OF PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE CITY'S EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION. AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LET ME KNOW 
          IF THIS REQUIRES A VOTE. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL CHARLIE ROSENTHAL, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. THIS ITEM WILL REQUIRE A VOTE. THIS IS FOR THE SECOND AMENDED AND RESTATED STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT FOR THE DENTON COUNTY MUD NUMBER 16, ALSO KNOWN AS THE MEADOW MUDS. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE BACKGROUND. MOST RECENTLY, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A PETITION AND A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THIS ITEM. AND THAT INCLUDED THE STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT. THIS IS A 1000 ACRE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON US 380. IT'S A COMBINATION OF 2800 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, 21 MULTIFAMILY ACRES, AND 27 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THE SINGLE FAMILY IS IN CONSTRUCTION. THE COMMERCIAL IS SELLING LOTS AND THE MULTIFAMILY IS EXPECTED IN 2 TO 3 YEARS. SO THIS ITEM WAS INCLUDED AS PART OF THE AMENDED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT CAME FORWARD TO INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL 19 ACRES OF LAND INTO THIS MUD. IT REQUIRES TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD ON OCTOBER 21ST. THIS IS THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING. THIS WOULD EXTEND THE LIMITED PURPOSE ANNEXATION AND ALSO FUTURE PURPOSE ANNEXATION OF THE STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT TO INCLUDE THE ENTIRE DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THAT 20 ACRES THAT COUNCIL APPROVED PREVIOUSLY. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SEEING NO QUESTIONS. I'LL TAKE A MOTION HEARING. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU CARE TO SPEAK YOU CAN YOU CAN COME DOWN AND SPEAK. SEEING NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS, HAVING NO CARDS. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING 
          AND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> I MOVE. APPROVAL IS 
          PRESENTED. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. 
          >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO OUR NEXT. ITEM E. 
          [E. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, approving a Specific Use Permit to allow for approximately 4,500 square feet of Medium-Impact Manufacturing use, on an approximately 8.702-acre lot, identified on the associated site plan as Suite #100, generally located west of Worthington Drive and south of the terminus of Schuyler Street in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s Official Zoning Map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing for severability and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted (6-0) to recommend approval. Motion for approval by Commissioner Dyer and second by Commissioner Garland.    (S25-0013a, Milo Insulation of Texas, Ashley Ekstedt)]
S250013A. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS. APPROVING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. ALLOW FOR APPROXIMATELY 4500FT■!S OF MEDIUM IMPACT MANUFACTURING USE ON APPROXIMATELY 8000. I MEAN, PARDON ME, 8.08.72 ACRE LOT IDENTIFIED ON THE ASSOCIATED SITE PLAN AND SITE NUMBER 100, GENERALLY LOCATED WEST OF WASHINGTON DRIVE AND SOUTH OF TERMINUS ON SCHULER STREET IN THE CITY OF DENTON, DENTON 
          COUNTY, TEXAS. >> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. ASHLEY, ASSOCIATE PLANNER. THIS IS S 2513 MILO. INSTALLATION. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO 
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ALLOW FOR A MEDIUM IMPACT MANUFACTURING USE. TO ALLOW THE PRODUCTION OF HOUSEHOLD INSULATION IN ONE SUITE IN AN EXISTING BUILDING. THAT SUITE IS CIRCLED HERE ON THIS MAP IN RED. THIS IS LOCATED WEST OF WORTHINGTON DRIVE AND SOUTH OF SCHUYLER STREET. THIS. THIS PRODUCT IS A BIODEGRADABLE, ALL NATURAL PACKING PEANUT MADE FROM MILLED GRAIN. THE PRODUCTION PROCESS IS SAID TO SOUND LIKE AN AIR COMPRESSOR AND SMELL LIKE BAKED BREAD. THE ENTIRE PRODUCTION PROCESS WILL BE ENTIRELY WITHIN THE ENCLOSED STRUCTURE, WITH NO IMPACTS TO THE OUTSIDE. IT DOES MEET THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, AS CONSISTENT WITH THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE ZONING DISTRICT PURPOSE STATEMENT, IT'S NOT EXPECTED TO GENERATE ADVERSE FINANCIAL IMPACTS, AND UTILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE ARE ALREADY SERVING THE PROPERTY. THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PURPOSE STATEMENT PROVIDES FOR LIGHT MANUFACTURING, ASSEMBLY AND FABRICATION. THIS IS CONSIDERED MEDIUM IMPACT MANUFACTURING DUE TO THE USE OF RAW MATERIALS. IT IS A LOW INTENSITY MANUFACTURING PROCESS IN AN EXISTING INDUSTRIAL AREA. THIS MAP SHOWS SOME OF THE EXISTING USES. THERE'S LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, OFFICE, AUTO REPAIR AND OUTDOOR STORAGE AND IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THOSE EXISTING USES. THE FUTURE LAND USES LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, AND IT'S ALSO COMPATIBLE WITH OTHER GOALS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SUCH AS GROWING COMPACTLY AND IMPROVING THE CITY'S JOB TO WORKER RATIO. 
          ADS ARE POSTED IN THE NEWSPAPER AND ON THE WEBSITE, AND THE SIGN WAS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY. 
          WE MAILED OUT NOTICES TO EVERYONE WITHIN 500FT. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES IN OPPOSITION OR IN FAVOR. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SIX ZERO, AND STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS IN YOUR BACKUP, AND I'M HAPPY TO 
          ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF 
          REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. >> THANK YOU. PLEASE ORIENT ME 
          WHERE THIS AREA IS. >> SURE. SO 35 IS RIGHT HERE TO THE WEST OR THE EAST. SORRY. 
          >> NEAR NEAR THE OLD WESTGATE HOSPITAL AREA. >> I AM NOT SURE WHERE THAT IS. 
          RIGHT. HERE ARE SEVERAL OF THE HOTELS. >> OKAY OKAY, OKAY. THAT HELPS 
          ME A LOT. AND AND THEY MAKE INSULATION. >> CORRECT. 
          >> HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE? >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          >> THIS IS THIS IS NOT THE COMPANY FROM MEXICO? >> NO. THEY ARE ACTUALLY IN DENTON CURRENTLY IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT. SO THEY ARE RELOCATING TO THIS BUILDING. 
          >> AND THEY MAKE INSULATION. >> CORRECT? >> OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE CAN SPEAK. JUST HAVE TO FILL OUT A AFTER THE FACT REPRESENTATIVE FROM 
          DISTRICT SIX. >> IS THERE ANY WAY TO ENTICE THE APPLICANT TO SHOOT THE SMELL OF BAKING BREAD AND POPCORN TO THE REST OF. I THINK THIS COULD BE A HUGE ECONOMIC 
          DEVELOPMENT DRIVER. >> THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. >> A QUESTION, JUST A QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. SORRY. >> OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 
          APPROVAL AS PRESENTED. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. 
          >> I'LL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          TWO. >> THANK YOU. CAN I JUST GET CLARITY THAT THIS WAS THE. THE MOTION AS PRESENTED WITH THE MODIFICATIONS BY STAFF VERSUS THE RAW ONE. WHAT ARE YOU WHAT 
          ARE YOU MOTIONING MAYOR PRO TEM? >> I'M SORRY, I WAS MOVING TO APPROVE. 
          >> YEAH, I'M SORRY, BUT THERE WAS A THERE WERE MULTIPLE BETWEEN THE ONE THE MODIFIED THERE WAS STAFF RECOMMENDED MODIFICATIONS. ARE YOU INCLUDING THOSE OR NOT? 
          >> YES. >> OKAY. >> WHATEVER. PLANNING AND 
          ZONING APPROVED I'M MOTIONING THE SAME. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          >> OKAY. AND THE SECONDER? THE SAME. JUST FOR THE RECORD. >> CORRECT. I SECOND THE MOTION. 
          AS MAYOR PRO TEM STATED. >> GREAT. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THAT TAKES US IN JUST IN CASE. I DON'T KNOW, I THINK I CLOSED THE PUBLIC. IT'S ALL RUNNING TOGETHER. I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AFTER THE VOTE. IF IT'S BEFORE THE VOTE, I THINK I DID. SO THAT PASSES 
          [A. Consider adoption of an Ordinance of the City of Denton by three separate votes, each being conducted on September 16, 2025, October 21, 2025, and December 2, 2025, granting a nonexclusive gas franchise to Universal Natural Gas, LLC, for use of public rights-of-way in a designated area in the City of Denton for the purpose of constructing, maintaining and operating a system of pipelines and other facilities for the provision, transportation, distribution and conveyance of gas to customers in such designated area; authorizing execution of a franchise agreement between the City of Denton and Universal Natural Gas, LLC, providing for compensation to the City for the use of the public right-of-ways, providing terms, conditions and requirements related to the use of public rights-of-way in the City of Denton and to the construction, maintenance and operation of pipelines and other facilities for the provision, distribution and transportation of gas to customers in the designated area of the City of Denton; providing for publication; and providing an effective date.]
SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO ITEM FIVE A ID 251546. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON BY THREE SQUARE. PARDON ME, THREE SQUARE VOTES SEPARATE. I'M SORRY. SQUARE. 
          SEPARATE VOTES EACH BEING VERY BEING CONDUCTED ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025, OCTOBER 21ST, 2025 AND DECEMBER 2ND, 2025, GRANTING A NON-EXCLUSIVE GAS FRANCHISE TO UNIVERSAL NATURAL GAS, LLC FOR THE USE OF PUBLIC RIGHTS RIGHT OF WAY IN A DESIGNATED AREA IN THE CITY OF DENTON FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONDUCTING AN CONSTRUCTING AND MAINTAINING AND OPERATING A SYSTEM OF PIPELINE AND OTHER FACILITIES FOR PROVISION, TRANSPORTATION, DISTRIBUTION 
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AND CONVEYANCE OF GAS TO THE CUSTOMERS IN SUCH DESIGNATED AREA. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL CHARLIE ROSENTHAL, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TODAY IS A PROPOSED FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH UNIVERSAL NATURAL GAS. THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THAT CITY COUNCIL IS HEARING THIS ITEM. IT WAS HELD ALSO BACK IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER. THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT ALLOWS FOR THE UTILITIES USE, THE UTILITIES USE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION OF THEIR GAS. THIS IS FOR THE PROPOSED PROVIDER OF UNIVERSAL NATURAL GAS AND TO SERVE THE HUNTER RANCH AND LEGEND RANCH DEVELOPMENTS. YOU CAN SEE HERE THE AREAS THAT WOULD BE SERVED BY THE PROVIDER, INCLUDING THE SOUTHWEST PARK. THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT WOULD BE TEN YEARS, WITH ONE ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR RENEWAL THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND THE CITY MAINTAINS THAT CONTROL. THEY WOULD HAVE TO RELOCATE LINES IF REQUESTED AND PROVIDE A MAPPING OF THEIR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, AND THEN PROVIDE US A FRANCHISE PAYMENT EQUAL TO 5% OF GROSS REVENUES. IN ADDITION TO THIS, THEY WILL ALSO BE PROVIDING CONNECTION TO THE CITY OF SOUTHWEST PARK. AS I STATED BEFORE, IT REQUIRES THREE APPROVALS OF THE ORDINANCE. CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THIS ON SEPTEMBER 16TH AND OCTOBER 21ST. THIS IS THE LAST READING ON DECEMBER 2ND. IF COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THIS, THEN THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE WEEKS AND THE AGREEMENT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE AFTER THEY PROVIDE AN ACCEPTANCE LETTER TO THE CITY SECRETARY. 
          >> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. >> THANK YOU. THE ONLY GAS COMPANY I'M FAMILIAR WITH, GAS SUPPLIER THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH IS ATMOS. SO DOES ATMOS GAS CO-MINGLE WITH UNIVERSAL GAS OR ARE THEY TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE SYSTEMS? 
          >> THEY WOULD BE SEPARATE. >> SO SO. >> SO AND THIS THIS AGREEMENT WOULD BE STRUCTURED SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WE HAVE WITH ATMOSPHERE FRANCHISE. 
          >> OKAY OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          >> I MOTION ADOPTION. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. 
          >> I SECOND GO STREET FUND OKAY. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ANY ANY OTHER DISCUSSION SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES 7 TO 0. TAKES US TO ITEM B, C AND D. 
          [B. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton authorizing the execution of an operating agreement with "Craver Ranch Municipal Management District No. 1 of Denton County", regarding the funding, ownership, maintenance, and repair of public improvements serving property located within the "Craver Ranch Municipal Management District No. 1 of Denton County" and other related matters; and providing an effective date.]
          [C. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton authorizing the execution of a project agreement with Old Prosper Partners Acquisitions, LLC regarding funding, ownership, maintenance, and repair of public improvements serving property located within the Craver Ranch Municipal Management District No. 1 and other related matters; and providing an effective date.]
          [D. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton, Texas consenting to the creation of the Craver Ranch Municipal Management District No. 1 of Denton County and providing additional consent to the powers and authority of the district; and providing an effective date.]
THERE'S ONE PRESENTATION FOR THE THREE OF THOSE. SO I'LL CALL THEM ALL. AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL TAKE THEM UP. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF AN OPERATING AGREEMENT WITH CRAVER RANCH MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT NUMBER ONE TO DENTON COUNTY REGARDING THE FUNDING, OWNERSHIP, MAINTENANCE, AND REPAIR OF PUBLIC INVESTMENT SERVING PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE CRAVER RANCH MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT NUMBER ONE, DENTON COUNTY. AND THEN ITEM C, ID 252105. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF A PROJECT AGREEMENT WITH OLD PROSPER PARTNERS ACQUISITION, LLC REGARDING FUNDING, OWNERSHIP, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS SERVING PROPERTY LOCATED WITH WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT NUMBER ONE AND RELATED MATTERS AND THEN ITEM D, ID 252198. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, CONSENTING TO THE CREATION OF THE CRAVER RANCH MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT NUMBER ONE OF DENTON COUNTY, AND PROVIDING AN 
          ADDITIONAL CONSENT TO THE POWER AND AUTHORITY OF THE DISTRICT. >> ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL CHARLIE ROSENTHAL, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, THIS IS FOR THREE ITEMS FOR THE CRAVER RANCH DEVELOPMENT. JUST SOME BACKGROUND. I'LL GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY SINCE COUNCIL HAS ALREADY HEARD THIS, THIS PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY IN 2008. 2009 IS TOTAL OF 2870 ACRES. THE PROJECT ITSELF IS 2500 ACRES WITH THE DEVELOPER OLD PROSPER. YOU CAN SEE HERE THE TIMELINE OF OUR MEETINGS WITH THE DEVELOPER. AND IN MARCH, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE RESOLUTION SUPPORTING THE LEGISLATION CONTINGENT ON A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH IS THE ITEMS BEFORE YOU TODAY. AND THEN OCTOBER 21ST, WE HELD A WORK SESSION WITH CITY COUNCIL ON THE AGREEMENTS, AND THEN MOST RECENTLY ON NOVEMBER 19TH, PLANNING AND ZONING, PLANNING AND ZONING VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE ZONING APPLICATIONS. THIS IS THE PROPERTY DESCRIPTION. SO OVERALL THIS IS A 90 APPROXIMATELY 9200 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITH A DIFFERENT MIXTURE, 
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ONE POINT 2,000,000FT■!S OF COMMERCIAL. IT'S SPLIT BY TWO DIFFERENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS, DENTON AND SANGER ISD. THERE'S A TOTAL OF THREE SCHOOL SITES BEING PROPOSED ON THE PROPERTY. 
          ONE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON THE WESTERN PORTION IN SANGER, AND THEN A ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL IN THE DENTON ISD PORTION. THERE'S $462 MILLION IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER AND FUNDED BY THE MMD, AND THEN AN APPROXIMATELY 17 YEAR CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE. CITY COUNCIL WILL BE FAMILIAR WITH THE STRUCTURE OF THESE AGREEMENTS, AS THEY'RE STRUCTURED SIMILAR TO THE ONES WE HAVE WITH OTHER MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS IN THE CITY. THE PROJECT AGREEMENT OUTLINES DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, PARKS, OPEN SPACE AND TRAILS, INFRASTRUCTURE AND OVERSIZING FACILITIES, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEN PRIVATE AMENITIES. THE OPERATING AGREEMENT IS WITH THE DISTRICT ITSELF AND HOW THE OPERATION IS GOING TO OCCUR IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND FINANCING OF THOSE PROJECTS. MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IS THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION THAT CAN BE USED TO PROPOSE LEVIES OF TAXES TO FUND INFRASTRUCTURE. THE CRAVER RANCH WAS CREATED IN THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION. THE DEVELOPER WOULD PAY THE COST FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN BE REFUNDED THROUGH THE BONDS THAT ARE ISSUED BY THE MMD, AND THEN THE DEVELOPER WOULD REIMBURSE THEM. ONLY OCCUR AFTER THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE CREATED, AND THE REVENUE FROM THOSE ASSESSMENTS WOULD GO TO PAY BACK THE BONDS. AS FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE GOES. SO THE INITIAL WATER INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE SERVED BY EXISTING WATER MAIN THAT THE CITY HAS. 
          THAT RUNS DOWN FOR 28, AND THEN THE FUTURE WATER NEEDS WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED BY THE CITY AND PLANNED FOR. IN OUR MASTER PLAN, THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO PROVIDE AN EASEMENT FOR THAT FUTURE TRANSMISSION LINE ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY, AND THEN ALSO THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BUILD AN ELEVATED STORAGE TANK AT THEIR COST FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THE LINE FROM THE WATER MAIN TO THAT STORAGE TANK. AND THE CITY WOULD MAINTAIN THAT LINE AFTER INSTALLATION, WOULD MAINTAIN THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE AFTER INSTALLATION. SIMILARLY, ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE, THE DEVELOPER WOULD INSTALL THE SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CONNECTS TO THE CITY'S FUTURE CLEAR CREEK INTERCEPTOR. THE CITY WOULD MAINTAIN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE FOLLOWING INSTALLATION ON THE ROADWAYS, THE DEVELOPER WOULD CONSTRUCT THE ROADWAYS AND THE CITY WOULD MAINTAIN THOSE ROADWAYS. AND THEN ALSO THEY'VE COMMITTED TO CONSTRUCTING THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS FOR GRIBBLE SPRINGS AND SHEPPARD ROAD ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. 
          AND WE WOULD HAVE THAT COORDINATION WITH TXDOT ON THE DRAINAGE SIDE. THEY WOULD INSTALL THE DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE CITY, WOULD MAINTAIN ONLY THE DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. HERE YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THOSE CITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE DISCUSSED. THE 60 INCH WATER MAIN THAT WILL GO ACROSS THE PROPERTY, AND THE EXPANSION OF THE WATER TREATMENT FACILITY AT RAY ROBERTS. THE CITY IS ALSO IN DESIGN FOR THE CLEAR CREEK INTERCEPTOR THAT RUNS SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY, NORTH OF LOOP 288, AND CRAVER RANCH WOULD PROPOSE BUILDING A GRAVITY SEWER LINES TO THAT INTERCEPTOR. SO AS FAR AS PARKS GOES, THEY WOULD MEET THE TEN MINUTE WALK GOAL. THEY WOULD HAVE A LITTLE OVER 350 ACRES OF TOTAL PARKS. DEDICATION, WITH A LARGE CENTRAL PARK, 13.5 MILES OF TRAILS, AND 18.5 MILES OF SHARED USE PATHS, INCLUDING ADDITIONAL POCKET PARKS THAT ARE DEPICTED HERE. AND THEN THEY WOULD ALSO CONSTRUCT INTERNAL AMENITIES TO THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY WOULD MAINTAIN ALL THE PARKS AS WELL. AND AGAIN, THE CENTRAL PARK IS 358 TOTAL ACRES. 338 OF THOSE ACRES ARE WITHIN A FLOWAGE EASEMENT, BUT 181 OF THOSE ARE WITHOUT OR OUTSIDE OF ANY 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN. SO OVERALL FUNDING CONTRIBUTIONS IS $7.5 MILLION FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES, LAND FOR A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEY WOULD HAVE LAND CONVEYANCE OF 48.5 ACRES. SO SIX ACRES FOR FIRE STATIONS, AND THEN ALSO A TOTAL 42.5 ACRES OUTSIDE OF THE FLOWAGE EASEMENT THAT WOULD BE CONVEYED TO THE CITY, AND 315 ACRES OF ADDITIONAL PARKLAND OR 350 ACRES, IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S REQUIRED. AND THOSE WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY THE DISTRICT. THEY'RE ALSO PROVIDING THE 
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RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE WATER LINE AND ELEVATED STORAGE TANK. THEY WOULD FOLLOW TYPICAL CITY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND THEN OVERALL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT ECONOMIC BENEFITS WOULD BE 9200 ADDITIONAL UNITS, 1.2 MILLION IN COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND A LITTLE OVER 5 BILLION IN ASSESSED VALUE FOLLOWING BUILD OUT, AND THEN THE APPROXIMATE $106 MILLION IN NET REVENUE OVER 40 YEARS. SO THE ITEMS BEFORE YOU TODAY ARE CONSIDERATION OF THE OPERATING AGREEMENT, THE PROJECT AGREEMENT, AND THEN THE CONSENT RESOLUTION FOR THE MMD. 
          >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING NONE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          FIVE. >> MAYOR, IF IT'S ALL THE SAME TO YOU AND WITH PERMISSION OF 
          THE COUNCIL, I'LL JUST DO ALL THREE. >> OKAY. AND SO STARTING WITH ITEM A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. SECOND AND YOU'RE WILLING TO SECOND ON B AND C AS 
          WELL. >> YES. >> GREAT. SO A FIRST. SO WE HAVE ON ITEM A AND IT'LL BE THE SAME FOR ALL THREE. BUT I MEAN I'M SORRY ME ITEM B. SO FOR ITEM B MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BYRD AND ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS. YEAH. 
          REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. >> REAL QUICK, I JUST WANT TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUBLICLY RECOGNIZE STAFF. CASSEY. THANK YOU FOR PULLING EVERYBODY TOGETHER. AND, CHARLIE, THANK YOU AND YOUR ENTIRE TEAM FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK ON THIS. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING. THANK YOU FOR FOR WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER IN A WAY THAT THE MODEL WAS KIND OF SET WITH, WITH LANDMARK. I HOPE THAT THIS WILL BE THE PRACTICE GOING FORWARD IN A VERY COLLABORATIVE WAY. SO APPRECIATE ALL THE HOURS AND ALL THE TIME Y'ALL PUT INTO THIS AND ALL THE THE AMOUNT OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU GOT AND THE TEXT MESSAGE THAT YOU GOT FROM ME OVERNIGHT SINCE I WAS WORKING AT NIGHT THIS WEEK. SO JUST REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS HELPING US OUT AND GET THROUGH THIS, OKAY. 
          >> ANY COMMENTS. SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THIS IS AGAIN ITEM B. 
          THAT PASSES FIVE TWO. THAT NEXT MOTION IS BY AGAIN BY COUNCILMAN MCGEE. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BYRD. AND THIS IS ITEM C. AND ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES FIVE TWO TAKES US TO THE LAST ITEM. ITEM D MOTION BY REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. SECOND BY REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT ONE. ANY DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES FIVE TWO TAKES US TO ITEM FIVE. E. AND BEFORE WE DO THAT LET ME LET ME BE CLEAR. SORRY. ONE, TWO. THREE. 
          >> FOUR. >> OH LET ME DO THIS WRONG. SO THERE'S THREE WHITE CARDS THEY DID NOT WISH TO SPEAK FOR ITEM B, ITEM C, AND ITEM D FOR THE RECORD. ALL IN OPPOSITION. FOR THOSE THREE, THEY DIDN'T WISH TO SPEAK BUT WANTED TO MAKE SURE I MENTIONED THOSE FIVE. I MEAN PARDON ME. TEXT ITEM. YEAH E. I'D 252132. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE 
          [E. Consider approval of a resolution of the City Council of the City of Denton exercising its rights and casting votes for membership to the Board of Directors of the Denton Central Appraisal District; and providing an effective date.]
CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DENTON EXERCISING ITS RIGHTS TO RIGHTS AND CASTING VOTES FOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE DENTON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND 
          PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. MEMBERS. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL MATT HAMILTON, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, HERE TONIGHT TO SEEK DIRECTION ON THE ALLOCATION OF VOTES FOR THE DENTON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT. THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS CURRENTLY HAS A NINE MEMBER BOARD WITH FIVE MEMBERS APPOINTED BY TAXING JURISDICTIONS SUCH AS THE CITY. 
          SORRY, IT INCLUDES THE TAX ASSESSOR AS WELL AS THREE PUBLICLY ELECTED MEMBERS, WHICH ARE ELECTED BY RESIDENTS. TWO BOARD MEMBERS TERMS EXPIRE ON DECEMBER 31ST AND PARMACOL PLACE FOUR AND MIKE JENNIFER PLACE SEVEN. ON OCTOBER 30TH, CITY COUNCIL PROVIDED DIRECTION 
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TO NOMINATE THE INCUMBENTS AND AND MIKE, JENNIFER. AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE WERE FOUR NOMINEES IN TOTAL. SO THE CITY NOMINATED TWO OF THESE INDIVIDUALS AND THEN TWO ADDITIONAL INDIVIDUALS, JORDAN VILLARREAL AND DEVON ENGLISH, WERE NOMINATED BY OTHER ENTITIES WITHIN DENTON COUNTY. SO BY DECEMBER 15TH, TAXING JURISDICTIONS MUST SUBMIT A WRITTEN RESOLUTION TO DCAD WITH THE CANDIDATES OF THEIR CHOOSING AND THE ALLOCATED VOTES. THE TOTAL VOTES FOR ALL TAXING UNITS ARE 2000, OF WHICH THE CITY OF DENTON HAS 80 VOTES, WHICH IS ABOUT 4%. THE CITY COUNCIL CAN ELECT TO CAST EIGHT VOTES TO ONE CANDIDATE, OR SPLIT THE 80 VOTES BETWEEN MULTIPLE CANDIDATES. THE TWO NOMINEES RECEIVING THE MOST VOTES OVERALL WILL BE SEATED AS PLACE FOUR AND SEVEN ON THE DENTON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS, EFFECTIVE IN JANUARY. AND WITH THAT, I WILL I'D LIKE TO SEEK DIRECTION ON HOW THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO ALLOCATE THE 80 VOTES. 
          >> GREAT. AND WE AND WE HAVE ONE CARD THAT WISHES TO SPEAK, SO I'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT. IS 
          THIS A QUESTION FOR STAFF? >> YES. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          FIVE. >> THIS WAS JUST ON I SAW IT, IT WAS JUST ON DISD. THEIR 
          AGENDA. HOW WHO DID THEY VOTE FOR? >> THEY. I DON'T KNOW THE VOTES 
          AND I. >> WHO DID THEY ALLOCATE THEIR. I'M SORRY NOT THE THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO DID THE BODY ALLOCATE THEIR VOTES TO. I'M SORRY I SAID THAT WRONG. 
          >> WHO DID THEY NOMINATE. >> WHO THEY NOMINATE. >> YES I, I DON'T SEE THEM IN 
          THE IN THE LIST HERE. SO I'M NOT CERTAIN OFFHAND. >> OKAY I'LL ASK SOMEBODY. FIND 
          OUT. ALL RIGHT. >> SPEAKERS JORDAN VILLARREAL, YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE. IT'S ON HERE SOMEPLACE. I THINK IT'S LIKE THREE MINUTES. 
          >> IS THAT RIGHT? >> YEP. THREE MINUTES. >> THANK YOU. MAYOR JORDAN VILLARREAL, 5201 PARR DRIVE, APARTMENT 315. DENTON, TEXAS, SEVEN SIX, 208. I'M ONE OF THE NOMINEES, BUT NOMINATED BY FRISCO ISD IN THE CITY OF FRISCO. I'M YOUR FORMER VICE CHAIR OF THE DENTON PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. SERVED ON THE COMMISSION FOR THREE YEARS AND EIGHT MONTHS. I'D BE HAPPY TO SERVE YOU ALL AGAIN AS A DCAD BOARD MEMBER IN THE PLACE FORWARD OR PLACE SEVEN POSITION. JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THE ANSWER. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE'S QUESTION DENTON ISD UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO ALLOCATE ALL 252 VOTES FOR ME, SO I'D BE HONORED TO HAVE YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS ENDEAVOR AS WELL. FIRST, ISD ALSO ALLOCATED THEIR ENTIRE ALLOTMENT TO ME, AND AS OF TODAY, I'VE ALSO RECEIVED ALLOTMENT VOTES FROM BOTH CITY OF FRISCO, TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND AND LEWISVILLE ISD. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> OKAY. SEEING NONE. THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. 
          >> DOES HEFNER HAVE ENOUGH ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH TO BE ON THE BOARD. 
          >> WE'RE NOT AWARE OF THE VOTE TOTALS BY ENTITY. >> SO OKAY. 
          >> THESE WERE JUST THE ENTITIES THAT NOMINATED THE CANDIDATES, NOT THE ACTUAL VOTES. YEAH. 
          >> OKAY. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. YOU. YEAH. THERE'S NO OTHER 
          QUESTIONS. >> YEAH, I MOVE THAT. WE GO AHEAD AND LET ME GO AHEAD AND NOMINATE A JORDAN VILLARREAL. LOOKS LIKE HIM. LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE AN INCREASING NUMBER OF BODIES SUPPORTING YOU. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM DENTON ON THE BOARD. AND I KNOW THAT YOU RAN RAN FOR THIS. AND I KNOW THAT YOU WON ALL OF THE DISTRICTS OF THE CITY EXCEPT FOR ONE BY OVERWHELMING NUMBERS. SO I THINK WE'D BE DOING OUR OUR VOTING BASE A SOLID BY GOING AHEAD AND NOMINATING ALL OF OUR, OUR 80 VOTES TO JORDAN 
          VILLARREAL. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT WELL, REPRESENTATIVE, DISTRICT 
          ONE. >> I'LL SECOND. >> THAT MOTION. AND SECOND 
          REPRESENTATIVE, DISTRICT FOUR. >> I GUESS JUST A POINT OF INFORMATION. ARE WE VOTING FOR 
          ONE OF THE FOUR NAMES THAT THAT I HEARD MENTIONED? >> SO THE THE CITY HAS 80 VOTES AND YOU CAN SPLIT THOSE 80 VOTES IN ANY WAY THAT YOU LIKE. AMONG THE FOUR CANDIDATES THAT WERE NOMINATED OVERALL. SO YOU COULD GIVE ALL 80 VOTES TO ONE NOMINEE, OR YOU COULD GIVE 20 VOTES TO EACH OF THE FOUR NOMINEES OR SOME COMBINATION OF THAT. IN THE PAST, IN THE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, THE COUNCIL HAS DIVIDED THE VOTES EQUALLY AMONG THE NOMINEES THAT THE 
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COUNCIL NOMINATED TO SUPPORT THOSE NOMINEES. HOWEVER, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNCIL TO 
          DETERMINE HOW THOSE VOTES ARE ARE SPLIT. >> OKAY, AND THE TWO AND THE 
          TWO CANDIDATES THAT THE COUNCIL NOMINATED. >> THAT THAT WAS THE INCUMBENTS 
          MIKE HENEFER AND ANN PARMACOL. >> OKAY. SO INSTRUCT ME HOW HOW HOW ONE VOTES TO TO SUPPORT THE 
          ORIGINAL NOMINEES. >> I GOT IT. IF THE MOTION IN A SECOND BEFORE US IS TO NOT SUPPORT EITHER THE NOMINEES. SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT OPTION, THEN YOU WOULD VOTE ACCORDINGLY. 
          >> OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> AND I'LL SAY THIS. THIS IS. YEAH. THAT. THAT'S WILD. 
          THERE'S I MEAN WE PUT FORWARD THE TWO INDIVIDUALS I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN BETWEEN OUR TIME. WE HAD A NOMINATION AND TODAY. BUT I'M GOING TO BE A NO FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. I WANT TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE THAT WE PUT FORWARD AS A BODY. ONE I AND THERE'S OTHER REASONS AND I'LL LEAVE IT, BUT IT'S OBVIOUS. SO I'M GOING TO BE A NO, I WE ONLY GET IT DILUTES OUR POWER SIGNIFICANTLY, SIGNIFICANTLY. OUR 4% SHOULD GO TOWARDS IT'S HARD ENOUGH TO SEND IT TOWARDS TWO, BUT TO SEND IT TOWARDS ONE, THAT'S NOT EVEN SOMEONE THAT THIS BODY PUT FORWARD IS DIFFICULT FOR ME. SO FOR THAT REASON, I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE. I JUST THINK IT SENDS A BAD MESSAGE. SO ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE VOTE? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN AGAIN BEFORE YOU IS ALL 80 VOTES TO GO TO JORDAN VILLARREAL. SO VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES 4 TO 3. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM F, ID 251921. CONSIDER APPOINTING A 
          [F. Consider appointing a nominating committee to recommend appointees to serve on the Economic Development Partnership Board.]
NOMINEE COMMITTEE TO RECOMMEND APPOINTEES TO SERVE ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 
          PARTNERSHIP BOARD. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, BRITTANY SOTELO, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. I DO NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION TODAY, BUT I'M HERE TO REQUEST YOUR CONSIDERATION IN APPOINTING A NOMINATING COMMITTEE AND RECOMMENDING APPOINTEES TO SERVE ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD, PER THE ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD, CITY COUNCIL MUST APPOINT A THREE MEMBER NOMINATING COMMITTEE EACH YEAR. THE COMMITTEE INCLUDES TWO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ONE DENTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE REPRESENTATIVE. THE CHAMBER HAS SELECTED MARTY RIVERS AS THEIR APPOINTEE, AND I WILL PASS IT BACK TO MAYOR HUDSPETH TO GET 
          NOMINATIONS FROM COUNCIL. >> WHO SERVES ON THAT BOARD? >> WHO SERVES ON THE NOMINATING 
          COMMITTEE? >> NO, NO, NO, ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD. 
          >> CURRENTLY SURE IT IS. COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD AND COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER. 
          >> GOT IT. OKAY. WELL, I'M GOING TO NOMINATE THOSE TWO. BECAUSE THEY'RE CURRENTLY SERVING THERE. THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. REPRESENTATIVE. WELL YEAH. LET ME PICK UP THIS MAYOR 
          PRO TEM. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO MOVE. SO I WILL SECOND OKAY. 
          >> THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THE TWO INDIVIDUALS ARE WILLING TO TAKE ON THAT ROLE BEFORE WE GO TO THE VOTE. 
          COULD COULD I GET A COMMENT ON THAT, SIR? SURE. >> REPRESENTATIVE. FROM 
          DISTRICT ONE AND SIX, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> YES. 
          >> I WOULD BE VERY PLEASED TO BE ON THIS BOARD, AND I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT CONTINUING ON THE BOARD. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CHECKING AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE NOMINATION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. 
          SO THE MOTION BEFORE US IS COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER. LET'S VOTE ON 
          THE SCREEN. YEP. >> IS THERE A COMPONENT JUST TO THOSE TWO OR DO WE HAVE TO VOTE 
          ON MR. RIVERS AS WELL? OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? IT'S SEPARATE. >> THE TWO. 
          >> YEAH. >> THAT'S I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S. >> GOT TO CONFIRM OR NOT. 
          >> WHAT'S THAT? I DON'T. >> THINK IT WOULD HURT TO CONFIRM THAT. 
          >> I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. >> I JUST THE LANGUAGE MADE ME QUESTION. THAT IS ALL. I, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A PARTIAL VOTE BY ACCIDENT. IF WE HAVE TO ADD MR. RIVERS INTO THE MIX, HOW DOES. I'M JUST TRYING TO, LIKE, DOT I'S AND CROSS T'S. THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO DO. 
          >> SURE. >> WE DIDN'T. YEAH, I'LL JUST WAIT. DO YOU HAVE MAYOR PRO TEM? 
          YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? >> I WAS GOING TO ATTEMPT TO ANSWER, BUT CHRISTINE MAY BE BETTER. I THOUGHT THE BACKUP SAID THAT IT'S A THREE MEMBER BOARD, AND THE CHAMBER SELECTS ONE PERSON AND WE SELECT TWO, IS WHAT I THINK I REMEMBER FROM THE BACKUP. 
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          >> YES. CLARIFICATION. >> OKAY. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION IN A 
          SECOND. LET'S. WHAT'S THAT? >> COUNCIL WANTS. >> ALL THREE. WHAT'S THAT OKAY. 
          >> SO I JUST GOT INFORMATION THAT COUNCIL APPOINTS ALL THREE. SO WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE MARTY 
          AS THE THE THIRD. >> OKAY. >> SO DO YOU DO YOU ACCEPT THAT THE MOVEMENT WAS. THERE YOU GO THEN. YES, I ACCEPT THAT. MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          >> I ALSO ACCEPT OR SECOND. >> OKAY, SO IT'S MARTY RIVERS, COUNCIL MEMBER. JESTER, COUNCIL MEMBER. BYRD. THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE US. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO CONCLUDING ITEMS. ANY CONCLUDING ITEMS? 
          [6. CONCLUDING ITEMS]
          REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. >> MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO TO BE AMONG THE FIRST TO WELCOME COACH NEAL BROWN TO THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS. 
          COACH BROWN COMES TO NORTH TEXAS LITERALLY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS. HE WAS THE HEAD FOOTBALL COACH AT WEST VIRGINIA AND AT TROY UNIVERSITY. AND WE GOT A GOOD THING GOING THERE. I'M I'M EXCITED TO HAVE HIM. NORTH TEXAS BASKETBALL WON TONIGHT. THE NUMBER 20 IN THE NATION. NORTH TEXAS MEAN GREEN FOOTBALL TEAM PLAYS TULANE IN NEW ORLEANS THIS WEEKEND. GO MEAN GREEN MY TWIN GRANDCHILDREN TURNED TWO YEARS OLD YESTERDAY JOEY AND LIBBY. 
          AND WE HAD A WE HAD A LARGE PARTY WAS HUGE. THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 
          TWO. >> I JUST EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS ALREADY BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF OUR FAVORITE EVENTS ALL YEAR ROUND. BUT WE HAVE A MODIFIED TREE LIGHTING IN QUAKERTOWN PARK COMING UP WITH WASSAIL IN DIFFERENT AREAS. SO I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BE AWARE OF WHERE THEIR FAVORITE EVENTS ARE BECAUSE THE SCHEDULE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. MOST OF IT'S IN QUAKERTOWN AND I HAVE DONE THIS. THIS WILL BE THE THIRD MEETING. I REMIND FOLKS THAT IN BEER ALLEY IS KRAMPUSNACHT GO HAVE FUN! THIS IS ONE OF THE WEIRD THINGS THAT DENTON DOES 
          THAT WE ALL LOVE. IT'S SEVERAL YEARS RUNNING. THE KIDS LOVE IT. >> ESPECIALLY REPRESENTATIVE 
          FROM DISTRICT FIVE. >> I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT KRAMPUSNACHT IS, STILL HAVE NO IDEA. YOUR YOUR GRANDBABIES HAVE A FAMOUS BIRTHDAY. WHAT YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT 70 YEARS AGO YESTERDAY, MOTHER ROSA PARKS DECIDED TO ENGAGE IN AN ACT OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE THAT HELPED TO ALTER THE COURSE OF THIS COUNTRY. SO ALWAYS WANT TO KEEP THAT TOP OF MIND, REMEMBERING AS WE GO, REMEMBERING THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST AS WE GO FORWARD TO TRY TO TACKLE THE THE CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUES OF TODAY. SO 70 
          YEARS AGO YESTERDAY. >> MAYOR PRO TEM. >> I JUST WANT TO DO A SHOUT OUT AND THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR ALL OF THE HARD WORK THAT YOU ALL DO, ANSWERING ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS, PUTTING UP WITH OUR SHENANIGANS SOMETIMES. AND I KNOW IT'S NOT AN EASY JOB, AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE AND RECOGNIZE ALL THE WORK OF ALL THE FOLKS THAT ARE SITTING HERE IN THE ROOM. BUT THEN ALL THE PEOPLE, MAYBE WE DON'T INTERFACE WITH VERY MUCH THAT ARE SPENDING ALL THIS TIME PREPARING THINGS AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS AND JUST SO WANTED TO 
          SAY THANK YOU. >> GOTCHA. ANYONE ELSE? I'M SURE THERE'S STUFF I HAVE TO SAY, BUT I'M NOT GOING T
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