[WORK SESSION BEGINS AT 2:00 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION ROOM]
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          MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. TODAY, TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 3RD, 2026. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND IN PERSON OR REGULAR CONSENT AGENDA. 
          LET'S SEE. SO CITIZEN COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS. THANK YOU. 
          [2. Requests for clarification of agenda items listed on this agenda for public hearing and individual consideration.]
TAKES US TO REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION ON AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ON THE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. SO AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ON AGENDA OR PUBLIC HEARING QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. 
          >> YEAH I HAVE REQUESTED EARLIER ITEMS E AND F FOR AN INDIVIDUAL VOTE. 
          >> EARLIER AS IN MONDAY. >> AS IN TODAY. >> OKAY. CHAIR'S DISCRETION, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT AMONGST THE COUNCIL. I'M NOT GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE COUNCIL 
          [A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding a future fire station in the southwestern portion of the city.
          [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]
CAN TAKE THAT UP THIS EVENING IF THEY CHOOSE TO. TAKES US TO OUR FIRST WORK SESSION. THREE A ID 252195 RECEIVE REPORT DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING A FUTURE 
          FIRE STATION IN THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE CITY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL KENNETH HEDGES, FIRE CHIEF, TODAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION ABOUT FIRE STATION SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE CITY. WE'LL START OFF KIND OF AS WHAT IS AS OF TODAY, AS FAR AS THE CURRENT COVERAGE FOR FIRE AND EMS. WE ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING UNDERNEATH THE AISLE WITH DENTON COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT NUMBER ONE. YOU SEE, THAT COMMENCED OCTOBER 1ST, 2018. AND REALLY THE END OF LIFE THAT EXPIRES IN SEPTEMBER 28TH. 
          WE'VE BEEN PLANNING FOR THIS FOR SOME TIME, AND TODAY IS KIND OF JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT FACTS AND ACTUALLY GIVE YOU SOME DIRECTION AT THE END TO CHOOSE AN OPTION THAT YOU FEEL IS BEST FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MOVING FORWARD. SO THIS ACTUALLY USES A SHARE COST FUNDING STRATEGY. WE ACTUALLY PAY A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE FIRE STATION IN THE HARVEST AREA THAT THE CITY ACTUALLY OPERATES OUT OF PART OF THE FIRE TRUCK, AND THEN THREE PERSONNEL WITH THIS COST SHARING STRATEGY ACTUALLY RESPONDS ONE ENGINE AND JUST THE BLUE AREA, WHICH IS JUST RUBS AND RANCH AS WELL. SO FOR REFERENCE, THAT IS THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE CITY. YOU SEE 35 W ON YOUR RIGHT, ROBSON RANCH ROAD. AND THE BLUE AREA IS THE ROPES RANCH. WITH THIS IT IS ONLY ENGINE CREW, SO ON FIRE CALLS THE FIRST IN EMS CALLS. WE STILL RESPOND WITH MEDIC SEVEN IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE FROM STATION SEVEN UP THERE IN THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER. AND JUST FOR REFERENCE, THAT IS 5.4 MILES AWAY ON AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME, BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING HOW WE MEASURE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT A NINE MINUTE RESPONSE TIME FROM STATION SEVEN TO THE FRONT GATE AT ROBSON RANCH. MOVING ON FOR LAST YEAR'S FISCAL YEARS CALLS FOR SERVICE. 
          KIND OF HOW WE MEASURE OUR WORKLOAD IS CALLS FOR SERVICE, WHICH IS 91 GENERATED CALL COMES INTO DISPATCH CENTERS, DISPATCH TO THE NEAREST FIRE STATION AS WELL. YOU SEE, TO THE LEFT IS ALL THE CALLS FOR SERVICE IN ROBSON RANCH. AND THEN TO THE RIGHT OF 35 IS ACTUALLY COUNTRY LAKES AND A FEW OTHER SUBDIVISIONS AS WELL. SO YOU SEE, WE'RE AVERAGING TWO CALLS PER DAY ARE A LITTLE BIT OVER THAT FOR LAST FISCAL YEAR, WITH OBVIOUSLY THE MAJORITY IN ROBSON RANCH. SO FIRE DEPARTMENT OPERATES UNDER BEST PRACTICES, WHICH IS NFPA 1710. 
          THAT IS KIND OF A VERY LOFTY GOAL AND ASPIRATION THAT FIRE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE US TRY TO ACTUALLY MANAGE AND HIT. IT IS CONSIDERED THE GOLD STANDARD IN THE FIRE SERVICE. WHAT WE USE AS FAR AS RESPONSE TIME IS THERE TO THE LEFT. THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO RECEIVE THE FIRST ARRIVING UNIT WITHIN FOUR MINUTES TO TRAVEL TIME FROM THE TIME THAT IS ACTUALLY ALARMED AT THE STATION. SECOND COMPONENT ALSO IS ACTUALLY AN EIGHT MINUTE TRAVEL TIME, WITH THE FULL UNITS FOR ONE ALARM STRUCTURE, FIRE AND FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT. THAT EQUATES TO SEVEN UNITS IN 19 PERSONNEL. SO THESE ARE VERY LOFTY GOALS TO HIT THAT FORMAT. TRAVEL TIME, I'D SAY ACROSS THE CITY WE MANAGE TO DO THAT MOSTLY IN THE CORE. THERE STILL SOME AREAS THAT WE STILL ARE NOT ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT JUST DUE TO ROAD CONDITIONS, WEATHER, TRAFFIC STACK AS WELL. THE EIGHT MINUTE, THAT ONE'S REALLY CHALLENGING TO GET THAT MANY UNITS TO THE SCENE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, THAT'S KIND OF THE TOTAL INCIDENT LIFE CYCLE. IT STARTS WITH CALLS RECEIVED BY SOMEBODY CALLING 901, AND THERE'S ALARM HANDLING, AND THEN ALARM HANDLING GOES TO THE ACTUAL STATION THAT ALERTS THE CREWS. TURNOUT IS ACTUALLY THE TIME THE CREWS RECEIVE THE INCIDENT TILL THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN THE UNITS ACTUALLY MOVING AS WELL. SO WE MEASURE THAT VERY SPECIFICALLY. 1710 ACTUALLY RECOMMENDS THAT IT'S A 62ND TURNOUT TIME FOR EMS CALLS AND 82ND FOR FIRE. THEY GIVE YOU 20 MORE SECONDS TO GET YOUR TURNOUT GEAR ON. AND THEN REALLY KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR TODAY IS THAT WHOLE TRAVEL TIME, WHICH IS FROM TURNOUT TO ARRIVAL. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS 
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PLACING STATIONS ACROSS THE CITY FOR FUTURE GROWTH. YOU MAY ALSO KNOW HER 1710 THAT ALSO INCORPORATES THE RECOMMENDED FOUR PERSON ENGINE COMPANIES AS WELL. SO THERE'S NOT JUST THAT. 
          THERE'S RESPONSE TIMES ALSO. MOVING ON LOOKING. THIS IS OUR CURRENT RESPONSE TIMES. THE YELLOW IS THE FOUR MINUTE RESPONSE TIME FOR STATION SEVEN, WHICH IS THE NEAREST STATION THAT RESPONDS TO ROBSON RANCH. ONE THING I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT IS SO GIS IS CALCULATED ON CURRENT ROADWAY SYSTEMS AND DATABASE, AND ALSO THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT. SO THESE ARE GOING TO VARY ON DIFFERENT STREETS. YOU SEE IN THE MORE INNER CITY STREETS IT'S GOING TO BE LESS. 
          WHEREAS YOU GET ON THE INTERSTATE IT'S GOING TO STRETCH FURTHER. SO YOU SEE CURRENTLY AS OF TODAY, OUR FOUR MINUTE RESPONSE TIME, DOES HE MAKE IT TO ROBSON RANCH ROAD FROM THE FROM THE NORTH. SO NOTHING TO THE SOUTHWEST IS COVERED WITHIN FOUR MINUTES OR LESS AT THIS POINT. STATION TEN. SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE RANCH FIRE STATION AND OUR NUMERICAL SYSTEM. SIX MONTHS AGO WE WERE JUST PLANNING A TEMPORARY STATION. 
          SO WE HAD BEEN WORKING WITH HILLWOOD GROUP. WE HAD A SITE IDENTIFIED OFF ROBSON RANCH ROAD THAT WAS GOING TO PUT A TEMPORARY STATION THERE TO SERVICE ROADS AND BE ABLE TO SERVICE PHASE ONE ON A RANCH AS WELL. WHAT HAS REALLY CHANGED IS HILLWOOD IS MOVING QUICKER THAN EXPECTED ON PHASE TWO, AND WE WORKED WITH THEM SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS. ON GIS LOCATING A PERFECT STATION SITE THAT IS PART OF THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT. THEY GOT TO CONVEY THREE ACRES OF LAND AND THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FUNDING ALSO WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER IN A LATER SLIDE. SO I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY. AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN PLANNING FOR THIS. IT'S JUST NOW WE HAVE OPTION TO MOVE FOR A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION VERSUS A TEMPORARY STATION. 
          FIVE RIGHT NOW FROM 2023, BOND PROJECT IS USING TEMPORARY BUILDING TO HOUSE OUR PERSONNEL FOR ABOUT 14 MONTHS. SO WE'RE USING A LOT OF FUNDING AND COST FROM THAT TO ACTUALLY APPLY TO STATION TEN, EXCLUDING THE STRUCTURES, WHICH IS A MODULAR MANUFACTURED HOUSE AND THEN A SPRUNG STRUCTURE FOR THE APPARATUS BAY, THE TOTAL COST IS GOING TO BE ABOUT 1 TO 1.2 MILLION. THAT'S INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT'S UTILITY CONNECTIONS. THAT'S ACTUALLY A CONCRETE PAD FOR THE SPRUNG STRUCTURE. AND THESE COSTS WERE PROVIDED TO US BY CAPITAL PROJECTS. BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, FIRE DEPARTMENT MATH MAY NOT BE ALWAYS ACCURATE ALL THE TIME. SO I DID I DID ASK FOR ASSISTANCE FROM CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO. BUT WE ALSO NOW HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD IN THE APPROXIMATE AREA WHERE WE HAD PLANNED. AS I REPEAT SIX MONTHS AGO, WE DID NOT EVEN HAVE THIS UNDER CONSIDERATION. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PHASE TWO, WHICH I'M ABOUT TO SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF THAT. AND THERE'S THREE ACRES THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING IN THE CONVEYANCE PROCESS RIGHT NOW FROM HILLWOOD TO THE CITY. ONE THING I WILL POINT OUT ALSO IS THE ISO CLASS ONE RATING THAT WE CURRENTLY HOLD AS A FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT THIS PAST YEAR AT THE END OF FALL AS WELL, WHICH BROUGHT THE HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE RATES FOR COMMERCIAL MANUFACTURE AND THEN SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS MULTIFAMILY THEIR LOWEST AVAILABLE RATES THROUGH FIRE PROTECTION IS ISO ONE RATING. AS YOU GO UP, IT INCREASES. IF OR WHEN THIS CONTRACT ENDS WITH A WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING WITHIN FIVE MILES OR UNDER. IF NOT, ISO ACTUALLY WILL REGRESS YOUR SCORE. THE CITIZENS LIVING IN ROBSON COULD GO FROM ISO 1 TO 10 OVERNIGHT, SO THAT WOULD EQUATE TO ABOUT A 30 TO 50% INCREASE IN THEIR HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE RATES. SO WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE PLAN FOR THIS ACCORDINGLY AS WELL, WHETHER IT'S A TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING FIRE AND EMS WITHIN FIVE MILES OR LESS. 
          SO 5.1 MILES YOU GO FROM 1 TO 10. THAT'S JUST HOW THEY RANK IT ON MILEAGE. SO HERE IS PHASE TWO IS IN THE GRAY AREA. SO IN THE HIGHLIGHTED RED IS PHASE ONE. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN PLANNING WORKING WITH HILLWOOD. AT ONE POINT WE HAD DISCUSSED AND OF COURSE THEY HAD PROPOSED TO PUT US FURTHER NORTH INTO THEIR MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY UP HERE BY THE SCHOOLS. WE'RE NOT GOOD NEIGHBORS TO SCHOOLS. IT'S JUST NOT GOOD TO PUT A FIRE STATION AROUND THAT AREA. WE'VE TALKED TO OTHER LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENTS. THEY SAID THE SAME THING. IT'S JUST WITH TRAFFIC STACK. SO LOOKING AT HIS RESPONSE, WE TOLD THEM SIX MONTHS AGO, WE NEED TO BE IN THE GENERAL VICINITY DOWN HERE IN THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THEIR TERRITORY AS WELL. BUT THEY SAID, WELL, BY 2028 WILL NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THEIR ROADWAYS WON'T BE THERE, WATER WON'T BE THERE. OKAY. THEN WE'LL JUST LOOK AT A TEMPORARY SITE FOR 2 TO 3 YEARS TILL YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET THAT DEVELOPED. WELL, THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, WELL WE'RE ACTUALLY MOVING QUICKER AND THIS SITE WILL BE READY BY 2028. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M BEFORE YOU TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY. THE RED BOX RIGHT HERE IS A THREE ACRES THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AND MUTUALLY AGREED BETWEEN THE CITY AND HILLWOOD FOR THE CONVEYANCE. THE BLUE IS A FUTURE COLLECTOR ROAD THAT IS PLANNED. THAT WOULD GIVE US QUICKER ACCESS TO ROPES AND RANCH ROAD TO THE SOUTH HERE. WHEREAS WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS IN CALCULATED, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU IN THE NEXT SLIDE, IT ACTUALLY TAKES INTO ACCOUNT ONLY PHASE ONE. SO IT'S SHOWING A LONGER RESPONSE TIME TO ROPES AND RANCH. SO IF WE APPLY THE FOUR MINUTE RESPONSE MODEL TO THE CURRENT STATION SITE, IT'S NOT EXACTLY ACCURATE. SO ALL YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THE CURRENT ROADWAY SYSTEM IN THE GIS DATABASE. YOU SEE TO THE NORTH. 
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FOUR MINUTES TO GO WAY UP HERE BEYOND THIS LAKE AS WELL. BUT SINCE THE ROADWAY IS NOT IN THE SYSTEM, IT'S JUST NOT ACCURATE. SO AS YOU SEE, THAT'S ONLY COVERING A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE RANCH. REALLY, IF YOU ADD THAT COLLECTOR, WE CANNOT CALCULATE THIS. I EXPECT THE MAJORITY OF ROPES AND RANCH WOULD BE COVERED. AND OBVIOUSLY GOING STRAIGHT IS ABLE TO BE ACHIEVED QUICKER THAN CURVES. SO OUR UNITS GOING DOWN ROPES AND RANCH GOING EITHER INTO THE EASTERN GATE, THE PRIMARY GATE OR EVEN THE WESTERN GATE RANCH ACTUALLY KIND OF ASSISTS ON THE COVERAGE AREA TO THE WESTERN SIDE OF THAT SUBDIVISION. AND THEN EVEN LOOKING BACK OVER TO THE EASTERN SIDE OF 35 W, YOU SEE HOW IT MAKES ALL THE WAY UP TO 33, 77. AND I EXPECT THE SAME THING AS FAR AS JUST THE ROADWAY SYSTEMS AND IMPROVE INTERSECTIONS AS WELL, THAT WE PROVIDE ACCESS COUNTRY LAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT THAT WE'RE SHOWING RIGHT NOW. SO NOW KIND OF OVERLAYING BOTH OF THESE STATION SEVEN FOUR MINUTE AND STATION TEN, OBVIOUSLY WITH WHAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT, IT'S NOT REALLY SHOWING THE TRUE REACH OF THAT FORMAT MODEL. AND THE ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS UP HERE OFF 2449. SO WE DO HAVE A SECOND SITE IDENTIFIED FOR THE COLE RANCH. SO COLE AND HUNTER, BOTH THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT HAD TO DONATE LAND IN A CERTAIN PORTION OF FUNDING AS WELL. SO WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A SITE RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THIS FOUR MINUTE RESPONSE ZONE RIGHT HERE FOR FUTURE STATION FOR THE COLE RANCH. SO THROUGH TOTAL ANALYSIS, WE EXPECT THIS ENTIRE AREA TO BE COVERED WITHIN FOUR MINUTES OR LESS WHENEVER THIS IS BUILT OUT AS WELL. AND AS WE ADD ROADWAY SYSTEMS HERE IN THE CENTER, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT AND SEE THAT REACH. THE GOOD THING IS OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THE OVERLAP OF DISTRICT SEVEN AND THE DISTRICT TEN ALONG THE SERVICE ROADS AS WELL FOR THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. THAT'S FORTHCOMING. LAST SLIDE OPTIONS FOR COUNCIL SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TEMPORARY FIRE STATION SITE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED. AND IT WILL GO IN THE THREE ACRES THAT'S BEING CONVEYED WITHIN PHASE TWO OF HUNTER RANCH. AND YOU SEE THERE IS GOING TO BE ABOUT 1.2 MILLION THAT IS NOT RECOVERABLE FOR THE SETUP OF THAT ARE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ACTUALLY BUILDING A PERMANENT SITE. NOW THAT WE KNOW WHERE THE STATION NEEDS TO BE AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE LAND, WHAT WE NEED TODAY TO ACTUALLY BEGIN DESIGN IS $800,000. AND THE PLAN IS ALSO TO USE STATIONS FIVE AND SIX FOR PLANS. SO WORKING WITH THE DESIGNERS, WE CAN REPLICATE THOSE FLOOR PLANS. AND THERE IS A COST SAVINGS TO DOING THAT VERSUS STARTING FROM SCRATCH. AND THE LAST THING IS HUNTER RANCH IS SCHEDULED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO REIMBURSE THE CITY $5 MILLION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY FUTURE COUNCIL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE CAPITAL FOR THE REST OF THE BUILDING. IF YOU DECIDE TO GO THAT DIRECTION AND THE 
          BUDGETING FOR FEES. AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> OKAY. SO QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          MAYOR PRO TEM. >> I HAVE ONE LINGERING QUESTION ABOUT FINANCES. CAN WE HEAR FROM SOMEBODY IN FINANCE REGARDING LET'S SEE, I ASKED WHAT THE ANNUAL DEBT PAYMENT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY FOR THE PERMANENT OPTION HERE, AND IT WAS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2.45 MILLION AND 2.89 MILLION. AND THEN THIS FIRST PHASE, WHEN WE START GETTING PROPERTY TAXES FROM THEM. I'M SORRY I GOT THAT WRONG. THE FIRST NUMBERS WERE THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL PROPERTY TAX. SO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO 3 MILLION ANNUALLY FOR PHASE ONE AND THEN THE END OR THE DEBT PAYMENTS APPROXIMATELY WOULD BE $950,000 A YEAR. AND WE NEED 100,000 OR 800,000 UPFRONT FOR DESIGN COSTS. I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF HAD SOME BUDGET STRUGGLES RECENTLY, AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND OUR ABILITY TO GO WITH THE PERMANENT OPTION NOW VERSUS POTENTIALLY DOING THE TEMPORARY AND DOING PERMANENT LATER. CAN SOMEBODY FROM FINANCE OR WITH FINANCIAL 
          BACKGROUND SPEAK TO THAT? >> FIRST, CONGRATULATIONS. YEAH. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR. MATT HAMILTON CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IT'S WE ANTICIPATE 2.3 TO 2.5 MILLION FROM THIS FIRST PHASE. AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT REVENUE TO COME IN IN DECEMBER OF 2027. IN REGARD TO THE TEMPORARY VERSUS THE PERMANENT, THE 800,000, WE BELIEVE THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN EXISTING PROJECT FUNDING, SHIFTING IT FROM ANOTHER EXISTING PROJECT TO THIS IN ORDER TO FUND THE DESIGN AND GET IT GOING, IN ORDER TO MEET THE THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINES THAT ARE NEEDED BECAUSE OF THE THE EXPIRING CONTRACT. AND SO THE 12.2 MILLION THAT WOULD BE NEEDED, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE NEEDING TO ISSUE BONDS JUST BECAUSE OF THE THE LARGE AMOUNT. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT WOULD BE ABOUT 900 TO 950,000 IN ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY OVER A 20 
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YEAR TERM. SO, YOU KNOW, THE BENEFIT, I THINK THE BENEFIT TO DOING THE PERMANENT STATION IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY. THE ONE POINT, I THINK IT WAS 5 MILLION IN THOSE TEMPORARY COSTS. WE COULD SAVE THAT AND JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PERMANENT STATION THAT WE THINK 
          WE WOULD NEED EVENTUALLY. ANYWAY. >> THANK YOU. MATT, IS THERE ANY RISK? SO THAT ANNUAL DEBT PAYMENT OF $950,000 IS ABOUT 77% OF THE TOTAL TAX REVENUE THAT WE WOULD BE GETTING FROM PHASE ONE? AND I KNOW PHASE TWO WILL COME IN AND THEN OTHER PHASES WILL COME IN LATER. DO WE ANTICIPATE THAT GOING IN ON THE PERMANENT OPTION RIGHT NOW WOULD HAVE ANY POTENTIAL TAX RATE IMPLICATIONS? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WEREN'T QUITE 
          PLANNING THIS JUST NOW. WE WERE EXPECTING IT A LITTLE BIT LATER. >> THAT'S CORRECT. SO IT POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE DEBT SERVICE PORTION OF THE TAX RATE. NOW, YOU KNOW, AS AS WE DO ANNUALLY THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE'RE GOING TO EVALUATE ALL THE PROJECTS WITHIN THE CIP AND EVALUATE RIGHT IN RELATION TO THE TAX RATE, WHAT WE WANT TO ALLOCATE FUNDING TOWARDS AND WHAT WE DON'T IN ORDER TO KEEP THAT TAX RATE, YOU KNOW, AS AS 
          LOW AND REASONABLE AS WE CAN. >> SO OKAY. AND THEN JUST ONE FINAL QUESTION. WOULD THE OTHER PROJECT YOU MENTIONED THAT WE MIGHT SHIFT FUNDING AWAY FROM, WOULD THAT BE ANOTHER PUBLIC 
          SAFETY PROJECT OR SOME OTHER CATEGORY? >> WE'RE LOOKING AT A AT OUR SERVICE CENTER PROJECT. AND SO THAT PROJECT ISN'T READY TO MOVE FORWARD QUITE YET. AND SO BY UTILIZING SOME OF THE FUNDING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AVAILABLE FOR THAT AND SHIFTING IT OVER FOR THE DESIGN, YOU KNOW, WE WE FEEL LIKE WE COULD USE THOSE FUNDS IMMEDIATELY. 
          AND THEN AS WE, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH THE OTHER PROJECT, YOU KNOW, EVALUATE 
          WHERE THAT THAT FUNDING WOULD COME FROM TO BACKFILL. >> THANK YOU MATT. THAT'S ALL I 
          HAVE AT THIS MOMENT. MAYOR. >> OKAY. NO DIRECTION AT THIS POINT. 
          >> NOT YET. I'D LIKE TO LISTEN TO EVERYBODY ELSE FIRST. >> MR. MAYOR PRO TEM, I DO WANT TO SAY I'VE ASKED STAFF I WON'T BE HERE, BUT I'VE ASKED STAFF. YOU SEE WHERE IT SAYS FUTURE COUNCIL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT CAPITAL BUDGETING. I DO THINK THE DISCUSSION NEEDS TO BE HAD BY THIS COUNCIL AT THE VERY SOONEST. WHEN WE START HAVING BUDGET DISCUSSIONS TO TALK ABOUT, YOU'VE GOT TWO PROJECTS OR MORE THAT ARE FROM A PREVIOUS BOND OF 2023, AND THEN NOW YOU HAVE THIS, THAT OBVIOUSLY THE 5 MILLION WOULD BE REIMBURSED. BUT I THINK A DISCUSSION NEEDS TO BE HAD BY COUNCIL ABOUT PRIORITIES AND ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NET NEUTRAL POSSIBLY OF WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO, WHETHER IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY OVER A QUALITY OF LIFE EVENTS, AND SO THAT IT'S NOT RAISING THE TAXES, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE DISCUSSION FOCUS ON YOU HAVE MORE DEBT THAN YOU DO IN YOUR OPERATING BUDGET. AND IF YOU KEEP ADDING MORE DEBT, IT'S JUST A WHOLE NOTHER ISSUE. AND SO I'VE ASKED STAFF, I'VE ASKED MATT PARTICULARLY, AND AMY, WHEN YOU COME BACK TO PRESENT THE OPTIONS FOR COUNCIL AS TO HOW COULD YOU BE NET NEUTRAL ON THIS MEANING, IS IT TO NOT FLOAT A BOND FOR SOMETHING ELSE SO THAT IN ANTICIPATION THAT IT WAS GOING TO GO UP? BECAUSE EVERY TIME A BOND IF WE IF WE WHEN IT'S CALLED FOR THE BOND, WHETHER IT'S THE SENIOR CENTER OR THE LIBRARY THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE THAT WILL RAISE THE TAX RATE. AND SAME THING WITH THIS. IT WILL IF WE DON'T HAVE A NET NEUTRAL. SO I'VE ASKED THEM TO COME BACK AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. AND THAT'S WHY WE SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON THE 800,000 TODAY FOR DESIGN. AND THEN COUNCIL HAVE A DISCUSSION DOWN THE ROAD ABOUT. HOW DO WE HOW DO WE DO THIS TO WHERE IT'S A NET NEUTRAL AND NOT ONE ON 
          TOP OF ANOTHER ON TOP OF ANOTHER? >> COUNCILMEMBER? BERT. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION. VERY EDUCATIONAL, VERY INFORMATIVE. LOOKING FORWARD TO THE GROWTH. I'M. THIS PUTS ME IN MIND OF US SAYING THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO SOME GOOD GROWTH, AND THIS PUBLIC SERVICE PROJECT IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL GOOD GROWTH. BUT THIS ALSO KIND OF PUTS ME IN MIND. I'M THINKING LOGICALLY HERE NOW OF ME WANTING TO PURCHASE SOMETHING, AND MY HUSBAND SAYS NO. AND THEN I KNOW FOR THE BEST, MORE THAN HE DOES, THAT I TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT AND THEN HAVE THE EXPLANATION LATER. 
          LADIES, HAVE YOU ALL EVER BEEN IN THAT SITUATION? SO. BUT I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, TEMPORARILY WE CAN GET IT DONE, BUT WE REALLY DO NEED TO PLAN FOR, YOU KNOW, A PERMANENT 
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SITUATION HERE. SO I AM GOING TO ASK THAT YOU PUT ME DOWN FOR NUMBER TWO. 
          >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE? 
          >> YOU SAID YOU WERE ABLE TO MOVE 800,000 FROM AN EXISTING PROJECT. MACK. WHAT PROJECT WAS 
          THAT? >> YEAH. SO THE CITY IS LOOKING AT RENOVATING THE SERVICE CENTER. AND SO IN THE EVALUATION OF EXISTING PROJECTS TO SEE WHERE WE HAD FUNDING AVAILABLE, THAT WAS ONE WHERE THE PROJECT ISN'T QUITE READY TO MOVE FORWARD. AND GIVEN THE TIMING NEEDS OF THE FIRE STATION, WE FELT IT COULD BE AN AVAILABLE RESOURCE TO ALLOCATE TOWARD THE DESIGN OF THE STATION IN ORDER TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR? THANK YOU. >> SIX CHIEF, IS THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED, IS THAT THE BEST? IS THAT THE BEST LOCATION? IF YOU WERE IF YOU WERE IF YOU WERE IN A POSITION TO CHOOSE, IS THAT THE IS THAT THE LOCATION YOU CHOOSE? 
          >> I WOULD SAY YES. I THINK THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WE RAN INTO IS IDEALLY, IF WE COULD HAVE CONNECTIVITY FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT OVER INTO ROBSON WOULD BE THE PREFERENCE. BUT WE'VE ALREADY HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH ROBSON AND THE AREA THAT IS GOING TO BE DUE WEST OF THIS IS ALREADY BUILT OUT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE NORTH. AND LIKE I SAID, WITH THE FUTURE STATION COMING TO THE NORTH WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS TO THE NORTH. WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET TOO DEEP INTO THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF HUNTER RANCH WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO GET BACK AND SERVICE. ROBSON. 
          SO THAT'S JUST IT. TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE ROPES AROUND HERE AS THEY GROW TO THE NORTH, THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST PRIME LOCATION THAT IS AVAILABLE. WE WORKED WITH HILLWOOD. THIS WAS SIX MONTHS TO 12 MONTHS NEGOTIATING WHERE WE NEED TO BE, TO THE POINT THAT WE PUSHED BACK PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY, SAYING WE'VE GOT TO BE WITHIN THIS AREA. 
          >> I, I'VE NEVER BEEN A FIREFIGHTER, BY THE WAY. I WOULD I WOULD HAVE GUESSED THAT ROBSON RANCH ROAD WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETWEEN LANDMARK AND ROBSON WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER 
          LOCATION. >> SO ONE THING YOU WANT TO DO WITH FIRE STATION PLAN, YOU NEVER WANT TO PUT ON THE VERY EDGE OF YOUR JURISDICTION. AT THAT POINT, YOU'RE ONLY GOING 180 DEGREES BACK WHERE THERE'S PERFECT EXAMPLES AROUND THIS COUNTY AS WELL THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO DO, THAT YOU DON'T WANT BUILD ADJACENT TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT THE 360 DEGREE RESPONSE FROM THIS LOCATION. 
          >> AS WELL. AND, AND WILL YOU SERVICE ALL OF ROBSON FROM, FROM STATION TEN. I SEE THE 
          BLUE IS FOUR MINUTES. BUT YOU'LL SERVICE ALL OF ROBSON. >> YES. AND LET ME GO BACK OVER THIS. SO LIKE I SAID THIS IS THE BLUE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE CURRENT ROADWAY SYSTEM IN GIS. 
          SO ALL THE PHASE TWO THROUGH HERE IS NOT ACCOUNTED FOR. AND WITH THE COLLECTOR RUNNING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE FIRE STATION, DOWN ROPES AND SHIFT ALL THIS BLUE OVER TO ALMOST COVER ALL THE ROPES. AND THIS IS THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE NEVER GO THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT WITH LIGHTS AND SIRENS, WE USUALLY CAN GO QUICKER. SO ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S HARD TO CALCULATE. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO CALCULATE WITH ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL. SO WE THE EXPECTATION IS INTERNALLY THAT WE CAN COVER ALL ROBSON WITHIN FOUR MINUTES OR NEAR TO 
          FOUR MINUTES FROM THE SITE. >> OKAY OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD 
          SO FAR. OPTION TWO PLEASE. >> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT SIX. 
          >> THANK YOU, COUNCILPERSON JESTER. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL HAVE THE ANSWER OR OUR CFO, BUT WITH THE PROJECTIONS AND KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW, WHAT IS THE ANTICIPATED PAYOFF YEAR FOR ANY DEBT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ISSUED ON THESE OR THESE BONDS ISSUED? WITH THE TAXES WE KNOW COMING IN AND WHAT'S WHAT WE ANTICIPATE? I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF IFS. 
          >> YEAH. SO SO WE ALWAYS WANT TO ISSUE DEBT THAT MATCHES THE LIFE OF THE ASSET WITH BUILDINGS. WE TYPICALLY HAVE ISSUED DEBT FOR 20 YEARS. SO IF WE WERE TO ISSUE THIS DEBT IN 2026, THE PAYOFF YEAR, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING WOULD BE IN 2046? 
          >> AND IS THAT PAYING THE LOWEST AMOUNT THAT HAS TO BE PAID OR WITH THESE DEVELOPMENTS COMING ONLINE FASTER, HOPEFULLY THE INCOMING TAXES WILL COME FASTER? ARE THERE AM I MISSING SOMETHING AS FAR AS MAYBE BEING ABLE TO PAY IT OFF SOONER? ABSOLUTELY. SO SO MUCH INTEREST. 
          >> YEAH. SO THE THE IMPACT ON THE TAX RATE IS GOING TO LESSEN AS THE DEVELOPMENT IS BUILT OUT AND MORE HOUSES ARE ADDED TO THE TAX ROLL. SO INITIALLY RELATIVE TO THE REVENUE THAT WE'RE GETTING ABOUT 2.3 2.5 MILLION FROM, FROM PHASE ONE RELATIVE TO THAT $900,000 PAYMENT. AS ADDITIONAL HOUSES ARE BUILT, THAT RATIO OF THAT 900,000 VERSUS HIGHER AND 
          HIGHER REVENUE EACH YEAR, RIGHT, IS GOING TO PUSH DOWN. >> AND THAT'S ALL INCLUDED IN 
          THE 20 YEAR GUESSTIMATE AS FAR AS WHEN THIS WILL BE PAID OFF. >> YEAH IT WILL. SO WHEN WE 
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ISSUE DEBT IT'S FOR A FIXED TERM AND FOR A FIXED RATE. AFTER TEN YEARS, WE'RE ABLE TO REFINANCE THE DEBT FROM AN INTEREST RATE PERSPECTIVE. AND WE COULD LOOK AT RETIRING THE DEBT AT THAT POINT IF WE WERE IN A POSITION TO DO SO. BUT ALL OTHERWISE, ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL, 
          THIS, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE OUTSTANDING FOR FOR 20 YEARS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE THAT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE MY DIRECTION AT THIS TIME IN LIGHT OF SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS IN OUR HANDOUTS, AS FAR AS WHAT I BELIEVE IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE SAFETY OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS, AS WELL AS WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THESE NEW NEIGHBORHOODS AND IN THE BEST INTEREST OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. MY DIRECTION IS FOR OPTION TWO, BUT I THINK THAT I THINK THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE SOME HARD DECISIONS LATER. 
          AS FAR AS SOME OF THESE FINANCIAL DECISIONS AND THE CONTINUATION OF TAKING ON DEBT. 
          BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE WE NEED AND WE HAVE TO HAVE AND IS THE TOP PRIORITY. SO THANK YOU. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT THREE. NO. TWO. SORRY. PARDON ME. 
          >> THANK YOU. SO THE THE 1.2 MILLION VERSUS THE 800,000. WHAT WHAT SOURCE OF FUNDING ARE WE APPLYING TO? I MEAN WHERE ARE THOSE. WHERE'S THAT COMING FROM. IS THAT THE SAME SERVICE CENTER REPURPOSING OR. I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE TEMPORARY VERSUS PERMANENT CONCEPT AND WHERE, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TO GET THE THOSE FUNDS. EITHER WAY. IN EITHER CASE. 
          >> THE 1.2 CAN ACTUALLY BE FACTORED INTO THE FUTURE BUDGETS BECAUSE IT'S NOT NEEDED AT THIS POINT WITH THE TEMPORARY SITE THAT IS ONLY PROBABLY LESS THAN 12 MONTHS PREP, DESIGN, PREP AND SET UP. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING THAT UNTIL THE END OF 27 FIRST OF 28. I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY ONLY IF YOU WANT TO GO WITH OPTION TWO, THE 800,000. 
          NOW TO START DESIGN FOR THE PERMANENT ONE TEMPORARY OPTION. NO FUNDING IS NEEDED AT THIS 
          POINT IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. >> THAT'S THAT'S APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD POINT. AND MATT DO YOU CAN YOU GIVE ME AN IDEA OF OF WHEN WHEN WE FIRST PUT THE SERVICE CENTER ON TO, TO BE RENOVATED? I MEAN, IT WASN'T JUST THIS BOND PACKAGE, IT WAS ACTUALLY 
          THE PREVIOUS ONE, AS I RECALL AS WELL. RIGHT. >> THE PROJECT, I BELIEVE, WAS STARTED MAYBE TWO YEARS AGO IN THE PLANNING PROCESS AND, AND DESIGN PROCESS, AND THE FUNDING WAS MADE AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME THROUGH FACILITY CEOS. AND SO JUST IN THE EVALUATION, LIKE WITH THIS PROJECT AS IT RELATES TO A NEW FACILITY, WE WERE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY USING 
          THOSE FUNDS. >> AND CAN YOU REMIND US THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF OF THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT? JUST GENERALLY I KNOW IT'S CHANGING AS AS TIME GOES ON. 
          >> YEAH, I BELIEVE IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $75 MILLION. SO IT'S A VERY 
          IT'S A VERY LARGE PROJECT. >> OKAY. AND AND SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING APPROVAL FOR 800,000 NOW, BUT THEN WE IMMEDIATELY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, ACTIVATE THE DEBT, WHICH WOULD 
          BE 950 DEBT SERVICE STARTING WHAT YEAR. >> SO THAT WOULD BEGIN IN 2027 THE FOLLOWING YEAR, IF WE ISSUED IT IN THIS CURRENT YEAR, THE DEBT SERVICE WILL START IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WHICH WOULD ALIGN WITH THE RECEIPT OF THE REVENUE FROM PHASE ONE. 
          >> OKAY. AND AND THE TO SOME DEGREE, WE'RE WE'RE KIND OF SORT OF TALKING ABOUT 1.2 MILLION VERSUS, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY A MILLION VERSUS ROUGHLY A MILLION, LITTLE, LITTLE LESS, A LITTLE OVER THAT. WE CAN IN ONE CASE, WE DON'T WE DON'T THINK WE CAN OR WE THINK WE CAN ABSORB INTO THE BUDGETING PROCESS OF 27. BUT OTHERWISE, IF WE'RE DOING IT NOW, I MEAN, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED AS IS. HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW IN ONE CASE WE CAN ABSORB IT, AND IN OTHER CASE WE CAN'T ABSORB IT. WE'LL HAVE TO GO INTO DEBT. AND IT'S 
          ROUGHLY BOTH, ROUGHLY ABOUT A MILLION. >> WELL, SO THE THE 900,000 IS THE ANNUAL PAYMENT FOR THE DEBT. IF WE ISSUED THE, THE $12.2 MILLION FOR A PERMANENT STATION, I THINK THE CONSIDERATION IS THAT AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CHIEF, IS THAT A TEMPORARY STATION WOULD EVENTUALLY NEED TO BE REPLACED WITH A PERMANENT STATION AT SOME POINT, SO WE WOULD INCUR THE 1.2 MILLION FOR A TEMPORARY STATION AND THEN TURN AROUND AT SOME POINT AND BUILD A PERMANENT STATION IN THE FUTURE. THAT WOULD COST PRESUMABLY MORE WITH INFLATION IN THE FUTURE. AND SO WE. RIGHT. SO I THINK THAT'S THE THAT'S THE DECISION 
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POINT IS EITHER DO THE PERMANENT STATION NOW AND THE AND THE DEBT SERVICE WOULD BE 900,000 OR DO THE TEMPORARY STATION FOR THE 1.2 MILLION, KNOWING THAT A PERMANENT 
          STATION WOULD BE NEEDED AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE? >> NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I THINK AS WE GROW AND EXPAND, IT'S CLEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPAND FIRE SERVICES. 
          HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THE I THINK AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT NOT WHETHER WE HAVE TO DO THIS, BUT WHETHER THE TIMING IS RIGHT. I MEAN, I MIGHT, YOU KNOW, WANT A BIG RENOVATION IN MY HOUSE. I MIGHT NEED IT, BUT I CAN'T NECESSARILY DO IT IN ANY PARTICULAR YEAR. I HAVE TO DO A HARD CALL AND FIGURE OUT WHEN'S THE RIGHT TIMING. I THINK CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE BUDGETARY IMPLICATIONS AND WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES AND OUR ABILITY TO ABSORB SOME COSTS AND NOT OTHER, AND KNOWING THAT CERTAIN OTHER THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, EMS, LIEUTENANTS AND OTHER THINGS ALSO FUNDED. SO I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO PUT ONE FIRE THING UP AGAINST ANOTHER FIRE THING IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET. SO I'M GOING TO BE I THINK I THINK IT'S A EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MAYBE, YOU KNOW, TODAY'S DOLLARS ARE ALWAYS CHEAPER THAN TOMORROW'S DOLLARS. I THINK THE TIMING IS STILL A CRITICAL ISSUE. SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE THE TEMPORARY 
          STATION AT LEAST FOR NOW. SO THAT WOULD BE OPTION ONE. >> ANYONE? MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          >> I'LL ADD MY NAME TO TO OPTION THE PERMANENT OPTION I THINK THAT'S OPTION TWO. JUST FOR THE SAKE OF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD THIS ANYWAY. I APPRECIATE CITY MANAGER FOR CLARIFYING THESE FUTURE DISCUSSIONS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, BECAUSE I AM CONCERNED ABOUT OUR GROWING DEBT. SO I'M I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT TAKING THIS ON AT THIS TIME, BUT THIS IS PUBLIC SAFETY, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD IT EITHER WAY. SO I'M GOOD WITH 
          OPTION TWO. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. 
          >> YOU SAID THE SO AM I TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE SERVICE CENTER IS BEHIND SCHEDULE. IN RENOVATIONS CONSTRUCTION. AND WHILE YOU'RE COMING UP, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS. THE SERVICE CENTER, PARTICULARLY THE NEEDS OF THE SERVICE CENTER AND GROWING CITY FOR MORE THAN FOUR YEARS NOW, WHERE IS THIS GOING TO PUT US? WITH THE SERVICE CENTER? 
          >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO SETH GARCIA, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO NO, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH THE DESIGN PHASE WITH THE SERVICE CENTER. SO WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT, WE WE ANTICIPATED IT BEING A LONGER DESIGN TIMELINE. THE FUNDING THAT WE GOT, I GUESS TWO YEARS AGO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS ALLOWED US TO PAY THE DESIGN CONTRACT IN FULL AND BRING ON OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK. SO WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH ALL THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS, PHASING WITH THE CONSTRUCTION FUNDING IN A FUTURE CIP YEAR. SO THE REMAINDER OF THE FUNDS THAT WE HAD ALLOCATED FROM TWO YEARS AGO THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT USING WAS EXCESS FUNDS THAT WAS GOING TO MOVE TOWARDS CONSTRUCTION, BUT WE'RE NOT READY TO CONSTRUCT YET. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE SERVICE CENTER 
          PROJECT IS STILL CONTINUING THROUGH THE FULL DESIGN PROCESS. >> WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE 
          BEGINNING CONSTRUCTION? >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AS WE'VE GOTTEN INTO A LOT OF THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SITE AND IT HOLDING ALMOST 400 FUTURE EMPLOYEES AND EXISTING EMPLOYEES WITH ALL THE LOGISTICS AND NEEDING TO KEEP IT FULLY FUNCTIONAL, THAT'S CAUSED SOME INTRICATE PHASING OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO WORK THROUGH. SO I WOULD SAY ASSUMING WE'RE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND FULL DESIGN COMPLETE, WE'RE 
          PROBABLY 18 MONTHS OR SO FROM BEING READY TO BREAK GROUND. >> WHERE DO WE ANTICIPATE THE 
          MONEY FOR CONSTRUCTION COMING FROM AT THAT POINT? >> GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T THINK WE KNOW. SO IT'S GOING TO BE SPLIT BETWEEN, I BELIEVE, THE WATER AND WASTEWATER UTILITIES THAT UTILIZE THAT BUILDING AND THEN PORTIONS OF THE GENERAL FUND. CASSEY YOU WANT TO ADD? 
          SURE. >> CASSEY OGDEN DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. SO THAT'S PART OF THE FUTURE DISCUSSION THAT SARAH ALLUDED TO EARLIER. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNCIL ABOUT OUR PLANNED CIP PROJECTS JUST BECAUSE OF THE THE DEBT AND THE TIMING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAD PLANNED. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COUNCIL'S GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION, ALL THE CONSTRUCTION FUNDING YET. THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING USING THE $800,000 FOR DESIGN, BECAUSE WE CAN GET THE DESIGN DONE FOR SERVICE CENTER AND THEN WAIT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS WHENEVER THAT HAPPENS. SO WE MIGHT AS 
          WELL USE THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. CASSEY. 
          WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING BREAKING THIS DOWN IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY NOW, BUT IF WE PUT IT 
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ON OUR CREDIT CARD, IT'LL BE CHEAPER IN THE LONG RUN. AND THEN WE'LL PAY OUR OTHER EMERGENT COSTS LATER, WE THINK. THESE ARE IT'S NOT A GREAT OPTION, BUT I TOO WILL GO WITH A PERMANENT STRUCTURE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE GREAT OPTIONS. SO THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR YOUR WORK. 
          >> ANYONE? ANYONE ELSE SEEING? I DO WANT TO JUST CLARIFY ONE THING FROM A FINANCE COMPONENT. 
          I DIDN'T HEAR YOU MENTION AT ALL THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT. RIGHT? YEAH. SO THAT DOESN'T FACTOR IN. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW WE HAVE THE LARGEST GROCERY CATALYST COMING AND ALL THE THINGS, BUT THAT DIDN'T FACTOR INTO THE THE YOU'RE ONLY TALKING RESIDENTIAL THUS FAR I. 
          >> AWESOME. >> THANK YOU. >> SO PHASE ONE ONLY INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL HOMES. PHASE TWO INCLUDES THEIR COMMERCIAL. NOW OUR PLANT THE PLANS FOR H-E-B KIND OF THROUGH THAT PHASING DIFFERENTLY BUT BUT THEY ARE PLANNING FOR I BELIEVE IT'S A I FORGET HOW MANY HOMES 700 EIGHT EIGHT 7 TO 800 HOMES IN PHASE ONE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WE'RE 
          COUNTING RIGHT NOW. >> RIGHT. BUT H-E-B IS. >> BUT THAT'S NOT INCLUDED 
          RIGHT IN OUR CALCULATIONS RIGHT NOW FOR PHASE ONE. >> YES. AND I THINK BEST I CAN TELL THEY'LL BE THEY'LL DO JUST FINE. THEY'LL GENERATE SOME NUMBER OF DOLLARS INSTANTLY. 
          YEAH I THINK THEY'LL SHAKE OUT FINE. GREAT. OKAY. AND SO FOR ME THAT THAT INFORMS MY DECISION ONE THAT AND I APPRECIATE THE ANALYSIS. BUT WE'LL HAVE SIGNIFICANT MONEY FLOWING IN. THERE'S A REASON THEY'RE MOVING FASTER WITH PHASE TWO. AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME MOVING HOMES. AND SO THAT THEN GIVES ME COMFORT THAT THAT WOULD THAT WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. THEN THE OTHER THING WHERE I FIND PEACE IS THAT I KNOW JUST INDEPENDENTLY, THERE'S LOTS OF GREAT PEOPLE WORKING ON GETTING THAT SERVICE ROAD IN FASTER, WHICH THEN ACCELERATES COMMERCIAL EVEN FASTER AS WELL. SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS HAPPENING IN THAT CORRIDOR, A LOT OF PEOPLE PUTTING THEIR HEADS TOGETHER AND WORKING HARD. CHIEF, ONE THING I WILL SAY IS IF WE I'D LOVE TO ENTERTAIN OPTIONS ABOUT GETTING THAT THAT BACKSIDE OF IS IT ROPES AND RANCH ROPES AND ROAD THAT CONNECTS UP THERE. 
          IT'S NOT BUILT OUT YET, BUT TO THE TO THE WEST THERE THAT. YES. SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT BUILT OUT. BUT I'D LOVE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS AS YOU GO. IF THERE'S DEAL POINTS WHERE WE CAN INCENTIVIZE THEM. I KNOW THEIR CONCERNS AND SO I WON'T SAY THOSE, BUT I KNOW THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT COMPLETING THAT. BUT JUST IN THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD AS YOU TALK TO THEM, IF THAT, BECAUSE THEN THAT, THAT WHOLE COMPONENT OF IT AND IT MAKES IT EASIER, IT GIVES US ANOTHER ACCESS POINT THERE. SO I'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. AND THEN LASTLY, ON THE DEBT SIDE, I THINK FOR ME, I'D LOVE TO LOOK AT. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCILMAN JESTER. I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT US MAYBE GETTING PRETTY AGGRESSIVE, UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT STATIC, ONCE WE DETERMINE THE TERM, I'D LOVE TO SEE US GET AGGRESSIVE AND MAYBE SAY TEN, 15 YEARS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, 20 SO THAT WE'RE NOT SUPER COMFORTABLE, BUT WE'RE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE COMMIT TO THAT, I'D LOVE TO SEE US MAYBE TAKE A MORE AGGRESSIVE LINE. BUT THAT SAID, JOIN THE MAJORITY SAYING OPTION TWO WITH THOSE CONSIDERATIONS. 
          AND THEN TOTALLY UNRELATED, CHIEF, IF YOU CAN NEGOTIATE A PATH BETWEEN THOSE TWO. I KNOW THE THE RESIDENT DIDN'T WANT IT, BUT I'M LOOKING FOR GOLF, GOLF CART PATH, GOLF CART PATH. SO AND MAYBE IF IT'S WIDE ENOUGH FOR A FIRE TRUCK, IT'S WIDE ENOUGH FOR A GOLF CART. 
          >> WE HAD A CORNER LOT IDENTIFIED. ONE MONTH WENT OUT THE NEXT MONTH THERE WAS A 
          HOUSE UP THERE. SO WE'RE MOVING FAST AND WE TRIED. >> WELL, THERE YOU GO. I APPRECIATE YOU TRYING. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT PRESENTATION THAT TAKES 
          [B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding updates to the Cross-Connection Control and Backflow Prevention Ordinance.
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US TO ITEM B ID 251724. RECEIVE REPORT HOLD DISCUSSION GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING UPDATES TO THE CROSS CONTROL AND BACKFLOW PREVENTION ORDINANCE. 
          >> GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M STEVEN GAY, WATER UTILITIES AND STREET OPERATIONS GENERAL MANAGER. I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR BACKFLOW PREVENTION AND CROSS-CONNECTION CONTROL PROGRAM AND OUR ORDINANCE UPDATES. SO OUR PROGRAM WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1997. 
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WE MONITOR APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE OVER 6000 COMMERCIAL ASSEMBLIES. WE ADD ABOUT 600 NEW ASSEMBLIES TO OUR INVENTORY EVERY YEAR. WE WE FACILITATE, WE DON'T FACILITATE, BUT WE ENSURE THE ANNUAL CERTIFICATION OF ALL ASSEMBLIES THAT'S REQUIRED BY TCE. Q AND OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE AND STAFF ALSO PROVIDES CURRENTLY PROVIDES COMPREHENSIVE CUSTOMER EDUCATION DURING NONCOMPLIANT VISITS ON SITE. SO WHAT IS BACKFLOW PREVENTION AND CROSS-CONNECTION CONTROL? BACKFLOW IS ESSENTIALLY WHEN THE WATER, THE POTABLE WATER FLOWS FROM THE CUSTOMER'S SERVICE INTO OUR DRINKING WATER SYSTEM. SO THAT'S THE BACKFLOW. 
          IT'S A REVERSAL OF FLOW ACROSS CONNECTION. IS ANY DIRECT OR INDIRECT CONNECTION TO A SOURCE OF UNKNOWN QUALITY, LIKE AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM, FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM, OR IN OR THINK ABOUT A SWIMMING POOL HOSE LAYING ON THE GROUND BY YOUR SWIMMING POOL, IF YOU DROP IT IN THE POOL, IT BECOMES AN INDIRECT CROSS CONNECTION BECAUSE IT'S NOT RIGID. SO WHY IS IT? WHY IS IT IMPORTANT? SO THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE. IN GRAND PRAIRIE IN 2024, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT REPORTED FOAMING IN THE IN THE WATER COMING FROM THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, AND THE CITY ACTUALLY ISSUED A DO NOT DO NOT USE. SO IT'S NOT A DO NOT DRINK. IT'S DON'T USE IT FOR ANYTHING COOKING OR CLEANING. NO PETS, NO DISHWASHING, NOTHING. DON'T USE THE WATER THAT THAT WAS AS A RESULT OF A BACKFLOW EVENT WHERE THE AN AGENT WAS DRAWN INTO THE DRINKING WATER SYSTEM, RESULTED IN ONE OF ONE OF THE STATISTICS WE HAD IS THE CITY ENDED UP ISSUING OVER 637,000 BOTTLES OF BOTTLED WATER TO THE COMMUNITY. SO BACKFLOW EVENTS DO OCCUR, AND THEY DO COMPROMISE THE INTEGRITY OF THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. SO HOW DO WE PREVENT BACKFLOW FROM OCCURRING? WELL, WE WE INSTALL MECHANICAL DEVICES THAT ARE DESIGNED TO ALLOW WATER TO FLOW IN ONE DIRECTION AND PREVENT IT FROM COMING BACK INTO THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM WHEN THERE'S FLUCTUATIONS IN PRESSURE AND CROSS-CONNECTION CONTROLS. WHEN WE GO ON SITE, WE PHYSICALLY GO ON SITE, AND WE ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO DIRECT OR INDIRECT CONNECTIONS TO OTHER SOURCES OF UNKNOWN QUALITY OR KNOWN QUALITY THAT COULD COMPROMISE HEALTH AND SAFETY. SO WHY DO WE NEED TO UPDATE IT? WELL, WE NEED TO MODERNIZE OUR ORDINANCE BECAUSE ONE, IT WAS IMPLEMENTED IN 1997. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, A FEW THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THE WORLD SINCE 1997. BEST PRACTICES HAVE EVOLVED AND HAZARDS HAVE EVOLVED AS WELL. SO STAFF FULLY REVIEWED OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE AND IDENTIFIED SEVERAL AREAS OF NEEDED IMPROVEMENT TO MODERNIZE THE ORDINANCE, MAKE IT MORE CURRENT. AND IN FACT, WHILE DOING THAT EVALUATION, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE IN ITS CURRENT STATE, THE ORDINANCE PRESENTS ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGES, AND THAT'S PRIMARILY BASED ON THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED AND THE WAY THE STATE HAS EVOLVED AND THE WAY OUR ORGANIZATION HAS EVOLVED. IT MAKES IT MORE IT WOULD MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR US TO ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE WE CURRENTLY HAVE. SO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE DRINKING WATER FROM ALL ALL FORMS OF CONTAMINATION FROM CUSTOMER SYSTEM. IT MAINTAINS COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, FOLLOWS INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES, AND PROVIDES A CLEAR PATH FOR ENFORCEMENT, AND AUTHORIZES FEES. SO HOW DOES THAT AFFECT OUR OUR EXISTING AND FUTURE CUSTOMERS? SO AGAIN, THIS THIS FOCUSES SPECIFICALLY ON COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL CONNECTIONS. IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T FOCUS ON RESIDENTIAL YOUR TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL CONNECTIONS. SO THERE'S NO IMPACT TO THEM IN EXISTING NON RESIDENTIAL. IF THERE'S NO CHANGE AND NO CHANGE IS REQUIRED IF THEY DON'T GO AND THEY DON'T SIGNIFICANTLY MODIFY THEIR DRINKING WATER SYSTEM OR THEIR PLUMBING SYSTEM ON SITE, IT WON'T TRIGGER ANY ANY ADDITIONAL COMPLIANCE. THEY'RE ALREADY COMPLIANT WITH OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE. THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE REQUIRING PERMITS AND REPLUMBING OF THE FACILITY TO TRIGGER THOSE CHANGES. AND ALL NEW NONRESIDENTIAL CONNECTIONS WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW ORDINANCE. SO WHAT DOES THE ORDINANCE DO? THE HIGHLIGHTS ARE WE WE CLARIFY THE INSTALLATION STANDARDS THROUGH OUR DESIGN CRITERIA. 
          WE'VE ELIMINATED THE USE OF AN ATMOSPHERIC VACUUM BREAKER. IT'S NO LONGER ALLOWED ON A IRRIGATION SYSTEM. AND THAT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE IT'S A NON TESTABLE DEVICE. YOU CAN'T TEST THE DEVICE, SO THEREFORE YOU CAN'T VERIFY IT'S ACTUALLY DOING THE JOB THAT IT'S DESIGNED TO DO. HYDRANT METER REQUIREMENTS ARE ARE REFINED OR DEFINED AND AND EXPANDED STAFF 
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INSPECTION. SO ACCESS TO A CUSTOMER'S PROPERTY AT ALL REASONABLE HOURS WITH REASONABLE NOTIFICATION AND EMERGENCY PROCEDURES FOR SHUTOFF PROCEDURES ARE DEFINED. 
          IF WE IDENTIFY AN ACTUAL CONTAMINATION AND OR A HAZARD TO THE SYSTEM, AND THEN SERVICE SUSPENSION IS CLARIFIED AS WELL FOR NONCOMPLIANCE. SO OUR NEXT STEP AFTER WE'RE GOING TO COMMUNICATE THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PUBLIC. AFTER THIS MEETING, CITY COUNCIL IT'S GOING TO BE ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION NEXT MONTH. A MONTH FROM TODAY WE'LL PUBLISH NOTICES TO THE DENTON RECORD CHRONICLE. AND THEN THE EFFECTIVE DATE WILL BE 317. AND 
          WITH THAT I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR 
          STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE I SORT OF ALLUDED TO THIS IN MY QUESTIONS TO STAFF. BUT AND AND I THINK YOUR ANSWER WAS PERFECTLY FINE TO SOME DEGREE. BUT THE QUESTION WAS HOW HOW MUCH BACKFLOW OCCURRENCE DO WE HAVE. AND AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAD A NICE ANSWER. THAT'S WELL, IT'S IT'S REALLY TOUGH TO, TO MEASURE. DO WE HAVE ANY SORT OF TESTING MODALITIES IN GENERAL THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE DO ONCE A YEAR OR WHATEVER THAT GENERALLY LOOK AT HOW HOW MUCH IS THIS OCCURRING? I UNDERSTAND IT'S BEST PRACTICE. AND SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE SORT OF RELATIVE URGENCY OF IT AND THE IMPACT OF IT IF WE DO OR DO NOT DO IT. 
          >> YEAH. THE YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE HOW HOW MANY EVENTS OCCUR BECAUSE IT'S BASED OFF OF HYDROLOGY. RIGHT. SO AS THE PRESSURES IN THE DISTRIBUTION FLUCTUATE, YOU GET THESE THESE MICRO BACKFLOW EVENTS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE PROTECTION. WHEN WE DO, I WILL SAY THAT WHEN WE ROLL OUT OUR ARMY SYSTEM THAT WE'LL BE STARTING WITHIN THE NEXT, I THINK, 3 TO 6 MONTHS. THOSE METERS ARE AUTOMATED AND WILL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHEN THAT REVERSAL OF FLOW OCCURS. AND SO WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF THE FREQUENCY IN WHICH THE BACKFLOW 
          EVENTS OCCUR. >> NOW THAT SOUNDS GREAT. I'M, I'M I'M SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THE SMARTER METERING ALL ACROSS OUR UTILITIES BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO ANSWER A LOT OF THESE TYPE QUESTIONS. AND LAST QUESTION, I THINK YOU SAID TO MAYOR PRO TEM QUESTION, IT'S IT'S ROUGHLY 2 TO $4000 PER UNIT. DO WE. AND WE'RE NOT DOING THAT TO EXISTING CONSTRUCTION UNLESS THEY'RE GOING TO DO A MAJOR RETROFIT. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY WATER RELATED THINGS GO ON IN A GIVEN YEAR? YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION COMING IN, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, REDEVELOPMENT IS 
          HAPPENING? >> NOT AT THE MOMENT, BUT I'M SURE I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION 
          FOR YOU. >> YEAH. JUST JUST FOR MY CURIOSITY. I'D BE I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT IN THE FUTURE. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'LL AFFECT MY MY DIRECTION. I 
          APPRECIATE THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. 
          >> THANK YOU. WHAT IS AN ATMOSPHERIC VACUUM BREAKER? >> WELL, IT'S A FORM OF BACKFLOW PREVENTION ASSEMBLY. ESSENTIALLY, IT'S WHEN IT GETS COMPLICATED. 
          >> IS THAT THE BIG TALL THING? >> IT'S THAT THING IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, ON YOUR IRRIGATION SYSTEM THAT COMES OUT OF THE GROUND AND GOES UP AND MAKES LIKE A U. 
          >> AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 12IN. >> AND. >> 12 18IN ABOVE THE HIGHEST OUTLET. AND THE CONCEPT WITH THEM IS WHEN WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOUR WATER SYSTEM EQUALIZES WITH ATMOSPHERIC PRESSURE, THERE'S A LITTLE CHECK VALVE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO DROP DOWN. 
          WELL, THOSE TEND TO GET BAKED BY THE SUN AND THEY DON'T THEY DON'T OPERATE. AND YOU CAN'T 
          REALLY TEST THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T THEY'RE NOT SPRING LOADED. >> SO OKAY, SO WHEN YOU SAY 
          THEY'RE NO LONGER ALLOWED, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN. >> MEAN THEY WON'T BE ALLOWED WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAY, I'M DESIGNING AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM AND I WANT TO USE AN ATMOSPHERIC BACKFLOW OF ATMOSPHERIC ASSEMBLY, IT WON'T BE ALLOWED. WE HAVE A LIST OF APPROVED ASSEMBLIES THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE. IT'LL BE A PRESSURE VACUUM 
          BREAKER. SO IT HAS A SPRING IN THERE. >> SO THIS WON'T THIS WON'T 
          AFFECT EXISTING ATMOSPHERIC VACUUM BREAKERS. >> NO, SIR. NOT UNLESS YOU GO IN AND YOU SAY I'M GOING TO REVAMP MY MY IRRIGATION SYSTEM. I'M GOING TO UPGRADE IT. THEN THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE NEW ASSEMBLY. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> YEAH. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I JUST I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM YOUR ANSWER THAT YOU GAVE ME, THAT IT WOULD BE NEW APPLICANTS OR APPLICANTS. PARDON ME? NEW PROJECTS. CERTAINLY AFTER PA RATIFIED AND THEN ALSO EXISTING ONLY IF THEY PULL A NEW APPLICATION. SO THOSE IN PROCESS ALL WOULD GO 
          IN UNDER THE CURRENT. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> AND THEN IT'LL SWITCH AT 
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          [C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the proposed bylaws of the Discover Denton Destination Marketing Organization.
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REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE PROPOSED BYLAWS OF THE DISCOVER DENTON DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION. 
          >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS CHRISTY FRANZ AND I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF WITH DISCOVER DENTON. TODAY WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE TRANSITION OF DISCOVER DENTON FROM BEING A DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY TO BEING AN INDEPENDENT, STANDALONE ORGANIZATION. THE PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE BACKGROUND AND UPDATE ON THE EVOLUTION OF DISCOVER DENTON AND THE TRANSITION TO AN INDEPENDENT DESTINATION MANAGEMENT AND MARKETING ORGANIZATION, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS A DEMO. DISCOVER DENTON WAS ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED AS A LINE OF BUSINESS WITH THE DENTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN 1976, AND ITS CURRENT TRANSITION IS MOVING TOWARDS BEING AN INDEPENDENT 500 1C6 ORGANIZATION TO SUPPORT THE CITY OF TRENTON. REASONS DRIVING THIS STRUCTURAL REASSESSMENT IS THE CITY EXPERIENCED RAPID POPULATION GROWTH AND ECONOMIC GROWTH OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. TOURISM ACTIVITY INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY AND THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT REVENUE GROWTH, MEANING AN INCREASED HOT TAX COLLECTIONS. ESTABLISHMENT OF DENTON TOURISM PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND GROWTH TRIGGERED NEED THE THE NEED TO EVALUATE A SCALABLE, FUTURE FOCUSED DEMO MODEL. SO THE EVALUATION OF THE DEMO STRUCTURE FOR 20 HAPPENED IN 2020. FOR THE CITY OF DENTON INITIATED AN EVALUATION OF THE THREE PRIMARY ORGANIZATIONAL MODELS FOR CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU, WHICH SOME PEOPLE KNOW AS A CVB DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS KNOWN AS A DEMO, AND THEN THE NEWER MODEL OF THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE IS A DESTINATION MANAGEMENT AND MARKETING ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS A DEMO, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TOWARDS. AND SO IT WAS DETERMINED AT THIS TIME THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT THOSE THREE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS DEMO STRUCTURE TO FALL IN WOULD TO BE EITHER AN INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATION, A DIVISION OF THE CITY, AND THEN THE DIVISION DIVISION OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE PRIMARY STRUCTURES OF DEMO CVB DEMOS IN THE NATION. SO IN 2024, IN MARCH, A GROUP CAME TOGETHER FROM THE CITY OF DENTON. THE DENTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND LOCAL HOTEL REPRESENTATIVES TO ANALYZE THE STRUCTURE OPTIONS, NATIONAL AND TEXAS DEMO BENCHMARKS, AND ANTICIPATED GROWTH IMPACTS FOR THE DEMO. IN A JOINT PRESENTATION ON AUGUST 2ND OF 2024, THE COLLABORATIVE RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THE DEMO, OR DISCOVER DENTON, WOULD TRANSITION FROM THE CHAMBER TO THE CITY AS A TEMPORARY STOP GAP UNTIL IT COULD BECOME AN INDEPENDENT DEMO. THE ORIGINAL TARGET WAS INDEPENDENT BY JUNE OF 2025. HOWEVER, HIRING EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR MYSELF DID NOT OCCUR UNTIL JUNE OF 2025, SO IT DELAYED THAT INITIAL IMPLEMENTATION MILESTONE. SO OUR CURRENT TARGET RIGHT NOW IS APRIL OF 2026. SO TO COMPARE HOW THE DEMO OR THE CVB OPERATED PREVIOUSLY. SO PREVIOUSLY, THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE ALLOCATES HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUNDS AND THAT FUNDS THE DISCOVERED AND OPERATIONS WHEN IT WAS PART OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THEN PART OF THE CITY IN THAT TRANSITION TIME, THE DENTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE GOVERNED THE ORGANIZATION AND THE ALLOCATING OF FUNDS. SO THEY HAD THE FORMAL AUTHORITY, AND THEY WERE THE VOTING BODY FOR ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES AND THE FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES DISCOVERED AN ADVISORY BOARD UNDERNEATH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE PROVIDED RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE DENTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WITH NO GOVERNING AUTHORITY, AND SO ON. THAT ADVISORY BOARD, THERE WERE TWO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO ON AN INDEPENDENT MODEL, THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE WILL STILL ALLOCATE THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUNDS, WHICH DISCOVERED AND WILL CONTINUE TO APPLY FOR AND RECEIVE DENTON DENTON DESTINATION MANAGEMENT AND MARKETING ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS THE DEMO WHICH WE WILL DO BUSINESS UNDER THE NAME OF 
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DISCOVER. DENTON WILL HAVE A BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THEY WILL BE THE GOVERNING BODY WITH FORMAL AUTHORITY AND FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES. WITH THE BYLAWS THAT WERE CREATED WITH THE. THROUGH THE ADVISORY BOARD, THE CITY OF DENTON WOULD GAIN ONE VOTING SEAT ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND THEN THEY WOULD GAIN A EX OFFICIO MEMBER TO THAT BOARD AS WELL. SO THE PROGRESS TOWARDS INDEPENDENCE WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES TODAY, THE DRAFT BYLAWS WERE CREATED FOR THE NEW DEMO BY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WHO WILL BE SERVING. THE BYLAWS WERE MODELED AFTER THE DENTON TOURISM PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS. BYLAWS WERE ADOPTED BY COUNCIL IN 2024. THEY WERE APPROVED BY THE DISCOVERED ADVISORY BOARD OCTOBER 29TH OF 2025, AND A TRANSITION EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE WAS SELECTED, THE CHAIR BEING GLEN CARLTON OF THE NORTH TEXAS FAIR AND RODEO. VICE CHAIR AND TREASURER WAS SETH MORGAN OF DENTON COUNTY BREWING COMPANY, AND SECRETARY WOULD BE EMILY WRIGHT, WHO IS CURRENTLY THE BOARD CHAIR AND THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE HOMEWOOD SUITES. THE DISCOVERED AND ADVISORY BOARD RECOMMENDS THAT DENTON CITY COUNCIL PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED BYLAWS, WHICH WERE ATTACHED TO THIS PRESENTATION FOR YOUR REVIEW. SO IN THESE BYLAWS, INSTEAD OF HAVING THESE THE MANY PAGES OF BYLAWS FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW DURING THIS PRESENTATION, THE DISCOVERED THE DEMO WILL SERVE AS DISCOVER DENTON. THEY WILL HAVE A BOARD OF DIRECTORS SERVING THREE TERMS OF STAGGERED TERMS. THERE WILL BE 11 VOTING MEMBERS FOR BEING HOTELS, ONE SERVING FROM THE DENTON TYPEKIT, ONE FROM THE DENTON CONVENTION CENTER AND EMBASSY SUITES, AND TWO OTHER NOMINEES FROM HOTELS LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY OF DENTON. 
          THEY'LL BE TWO NOMINEES FROM ATTRACTIONS, EVENTS AND VENUES. ONE NOMINEE FROM THE CITY OF DENTON. ONE NOMINEE FROM THE LEADERSHIP OF THE DENTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, ONE NOMINEE FROM A DINING AND DRINKING ESTABLISHMENT, ONE NOMINEE FROM THE DENTON MAIN STREET AND ONE NOMINEE FROM THE DENTON ARTS COUNCIL. SO THAT IS A GREAT REPRESENTATION OF ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THE SUCCESS OF DENTON. FOR THE THE BOARD CONTINUING WITH THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, THERE WILL BE FOUR EX-OFFICIO MEMBERS. WE'LL HAVE TWO REPRESENTATIVES THAT ARE AT LARGE MEMBERS, ONE FROM THE CITY, DENTON CITY COUNCIL, AND ONE FROM THE DENTON CITY STAFF. THEY WILL MEET MONTHLY. THERE IS AN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE THAT WAS ELECTED THAT I SPOKE OF THE PREVIOUS SLIDES THAT WILL APPOINT THE REMAINDER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS ONCE THE BYLAWS ARE APPROVED. SO THEY'LL BE PART OF THAT. EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE WILL BE THE CHAIR, THE VICE CHAIR, THE SECRETARY AND MYSELF SERVING AS A STAFF LIAISON. AND OUR FISCAL YEAR WILL BE JANUARY 1ST THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE HOT FUND PROGRAM YEARS. SO WHAT ARE WE REQUESTING TODAY IS PROVIDE FEEDBACK REGARDING THE BYLAWS FOR THE NEW INDEPENDENT DESTINATION MANAGEMENT AND MARKETING ORGANIZATION, AND TO PROVIDE DIRECTION FOR CITY STAFF TO PREPARE THE ARTICLES OF FORMATION FOR THE NEW ENTITY IN ADVANCE, FOR RESOLUTION COMING BEFORE THE COUNCIL ON A FUTURE CONSENT AGENDA TO FILE THE ARTICLES OF FORMATION. SO DURING THOSE PROCESSES, THESE THINGS WILL BE HAPPENING CONCURRENTLY. SO ONCE THE CITY HAS COUNCIL HAS PROVIDED DIRECTION TO FILE THE CERTIFICATE OF FORMATION, THE ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING FOR THE BOARD WILL BE HELD. THAT ADDITIONAL DEMO BOARD MEETING WITH THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. THEY WILL ADOPT THE BYLAWS, FORMALLY APPOINT THE FULL BOARD OF DIRECTORS AS DEFINED IN THE BYLAWS AND THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, TREASURER AND SECRETARY WILL BE APPOINTED AT THAT TIME. ONCE THE CERTIFICATE OF FORMATION HAS BEEN FILED, THE ORGANIZATION WILL FILE FOR THAT 500 1C6 STATUS ORGANIZATION AND THEN THE DISSOLUTION OF THE DISCOVERED ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE CITY WILL HAPPEN. SO IN THE PROCESS, WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO IDENTIFY ALL OF THE BUSINESS SERVICES THAT THE DMO WILL BE UTILIZING. SO I SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME WITH THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE BUSINESS NEEDS, SINCE WE WERE PART OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR MANY NUMBER OF YEARS, BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE SOME OF THOSE SAME BUSINESS IN Y THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE ORGANIZATION, FAMILIAR WITH THE OPERATIONS. AND HALF OF OUR STAFF WAS EMPLOYED UNDER A LOT OF THESE AGREEMENTS. WE'VE IDENTIFIED BANKING SOLUTION, BUSINESS INSURANCE, EMPLOYEE BENEFITS. SO THERE WILL BE NO LAPSE IN EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS OR COVERAGES TO INCLUDE HEALTH AND WELLNESS. AND THE BENEFITS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED ARE EQUAL TO OR BETTER TO WHAT THE CURRENT CITY OFFERINGS ARE, AND COSTS ARE EQUAL TO OR LESS THAN THIS CURRENT CITY OFFERINGS WE WOULD OFFER RETIREMENT. WE'VE IDENTIFIED HR SYSTEMS AND ADMINISTRATION, AS WELL AS ACCOUNTING, FINANCIAL, AND PAYROLL SYSTEMS. AND THEN AFTER, WHEN ALL THOSE THINGS ARE HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES, THE WILL NEED TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AND APPROVAL 
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AGREEMENTS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL WITH THIS NEW ORGANIZATION TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE FOLLOWING AGREEMENTS. THERE'LL BE AN ASSET TRANSFER AGREEMENT FOR EQUIPMENT, FILES AND RECORDS, THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY AGREEMENT, INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY LICENSING, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CENTER LEASE. IF IF THAT IS WHAT IS IDENTIFIED AS A EITHER A TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT LOCATION FOR THE DISCOVERY DENTON TEAM AND THEN A VISITORS CENTER LEASE ASSIGNMENT FOR THE CURRENT VISITOR CENTER THAT IS ON HICKORY. SO THESE ARE ALL WE'RE KIND OF REVERSE ENGINEERING WHAT WE DID A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO FROM WHEN THE CHAMBER THE DISCOVERED AND CAME OVER FROM THE CHAMBER TO THE CITY. SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF REVERSING ALL OF THOSE ACTIONS INTO THIS NEW INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATION. SO AFTER THE CITY HAS DRAFTED THOSE AGREEMENTS, THE BOARD WILL APPROVE, WILL MEET, REVIEW AND APPROVE THE AND EXECUTE THE AGREEMENTS PROVIDED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, THE TRANSITION OF STAFF AND OPERATIONS WILL TRANSITION FROM BEING CITY STAFF TO STAFF OF THE DMO. WE WILL TERMINATE CITY EMPLOYMENT AND BEGIN EMPLOYMENT WITH THE DMO AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEIR THE THEIR CONTINUITY OF BENEFITS, RETIREMENT PLANS AND PAYROLL PROCESSES. SO WE WON'T LEAVE ANYBODY HANGING OUT THERE. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THE STAFF IS TAKEN CARE OF. 
          AND AFTER THAT I AM OPEN TO QUESTIONS OKAY. >> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS AND DIRECTION FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. 
          >> THANK YOU, COUNCILPERSON JESTER. WELL, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS. I OF COURSE REVIEWED THE BYLAWS AND THERE WERE SOME GOOD KIND OF MODERN TWEAKS THAT WERE INCLUDED THAT I WAS HAPPY TO SEE. I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. 
          SO THE INITIAL MEETING, WE KNOW WHO THE ACTING OFFICERS ARE. SO THEY'RE GOING TO ELECT NEW 
          OFFICERS. >> THEY WILL BE THEY WILL JUST BE RATIFYING THOSE OFFICERS. 
          >> OKAY. >> YES, MA'AM. >> AND THEN I BELIEVE SECTION 3.4 SAYS IT STATES CEASES TO MEET ANY OF THE APPLICABLE QUALIFICATIONS SET FORTH IN THESE BYLAWS, MEANING SOMEONE IS ROLLED OFF SO THAT I ASSUME THAT THAT'S APPLICABLE TO VOTING MEMBERS THAT ARE NO LONGER EMPLOYED BY, SAY, THE VENUE OR THE HOTEL OR WHOMEVER, IN WHAT CAPACITY THEY'RE THERE. IF THEY'RE NO LONGER EMPLOYED THERE, THEY WILL NO LONGER SERVE ON THE BOARD. DOES THAT SOUND CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN IS THERE A REASON THAT THE CHAIRPERSON WOULD NOT BE IN THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE, EVEN AS AN EX OFFICIO? I'M JUST SEEING A SCENARIO WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST AVAILABLE TO BE ON THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE, DON'T HAVE AS MUCH EXPERIENCE AND SEE WHO'S 
          STEPPING UP. WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSIDERED? >> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          SO I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MEETING MINUTES TO REVIEW THAT. 
          >> WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CURRENT CHAIR, WHO WOULD BE THEN, YOU KNOW, ROLLING OFF THAT NEXT GO AROUND, SHOULD BE AN EX OFFICIO JUST TO GIVE 
          INPUT, NOT TO. >> DEFINITELY. >> AND THEN SECTION 8.2, THE MAINTENANCE AND INSPECTION OF RECORDS. I SEE THAT THEY'RE OPEN TO DIRECTORS, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS A REASON THAT THEY ARE NOT ALSO OPEN TO THE CITY MANAGER. I MEAN, IT'S NOT SPECIFIED IN THE BYLAWS, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE THAT SOMEONE FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE COULD ALSO REVIEW THE BOOKS, SINCE THE SOLE FUNDING IS COMING FROM. SO MAYBE, MAYBE A TWEAK THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT BY THE LETTER OF THE LAW OF THE 
          BYLAWS THAT THAT'S ALLOWABLE. >> AND THAT COULD ALSO BE PART OF THAT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE HOT FUND AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE THE CITY AND THE DMO. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. 
          >> AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE CONVERSATIONS REGARDING THE CITY COUNCIL PRESENCE, THE THE ONE VOTING MEMBER, THE ONE EX OFFICIO? I MEAN, WERE YOU PART OF THOSE 
          DISCUSSIONS? AND IF SO, CAN YOU KIND OF GIVE ME THE RATIONALE? >> I WAS IN THE ROOM. I, I WAS SWITZERLAND BECAUSE I'M CITY STAFF, SO I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON ANY OF THAT. IF I WAS ASKED WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN MY PREVIOUS DESTINATIONS, I WOULD SAY PREVIOUS DESTINATIONS I HAVE SERVED ON. WE'VE HAD ONE CITY. IT WASN'T NECESSARILY COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CITY AS A VOTING MEMBER. BUT IT WASN'T NECESSARILY A COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          SINCE THE CPC IS ALREADY COMPRISED OF THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHICH ALLOCATE ALL FUNDS. AND SO THERE'S KIND OF THAT OVERSIGHT ALREADY AS FAR AS HOT FUNDS, BECAUSE WE HAVE 
          TO SUBMIT OUR BUDGET. >> YEAH, I JUST WOULD HATE FOR IF THERE'S A BAD APPLE AND THEN YOU DON'T WANT TO CUT FUNDING. THAT HURTS OUR WHOLE CITY TO PUNISH ONE PERSON. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'VE GOT THOSE CONDUITS FROM COUNCIL AS WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS EACH YEAR AS FAR AS WHERE THE FUNDS GO. BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK, AND I CERTAINLY WANT TO THANK EACH OF THE MEMBERS OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, THE INITIAL OFFICERS THAT HAVE STEPPED UP TO PARTICIPATE AND SERVE ON BEHALF OF YOUR 
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COMMUNITY. YOUR EXPERTISE IS, OF COURSE, OUTSTANDING. YOU'RE ALL WELL KNOWN TO US. AND I 
          JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE THEN TWO. 
          >> WOULD YOU TURN BACK TO THAT PAGE THAT HAD THOSE THREE OPTIONS? 
          >> THE ORIGINAL OPTIONS. >> WHEN THEY'RE. >> WHEN THEY WERE IN 2024, WHEN 
          THEY WERE IDENTIFYING THE BEST LOCATION FOR THE DEMO? >> YES. I AND AND WE'RE GIVING 
          OUR WE'RE GIVING OUR RECOMMENDATION RIGHT. >> YES PLEASE AND. 
          >> THANK YOU. I, I SEEM LIKE I'M GETTING KIND OF LOST IN THE TRANSITION OF THE CITY PART. I MEAN, ARE YOU THAT'S WHERE YOU THAT'S WHERE YOU ALL ARE WORKING FROM THE CITY DIVISION 
          RIGHT NOW. >> YES, MA'AM. >> THAT'S CORRECT. AND. IS YOUR 
          GOAL TO BECOME INDEPENDENT? >> YES, MA'AM. >> AND YOUR INDEPENDENCY IS ALSO. ARE YOU DISCONNECTED? WILL YOU BE DISCONNECTED WITH THE CITY? I KNOW YOU'RE GOING 
          TO HAVE PEOPLE ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE BOARDS AND ALL OF THAT. >> DISCONNECTED AS IN. 
          >> AS IN OPERATIONALLY. YEAH. >> OPERATIONALLY CONNECTED AS IN DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS. YES. 
          WILL BE AN INDEPENDENT STANDALONE ORGANIZATION OKAY. >> AND SO GO TO THAT THAT OTHER PAGE WHERE IT HAS THE. THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT INDEPENDENT MODEL I. 
          >> THAT ONE. >> I BELIEVE THAT I AM GOING TO SUGGEST THAT YOU ALL STAY WITH THE CITY UNDER THE CITY MODEL. I'M NOT SURE HOW THE CITY FEELS ABOUT THAT, BUT IT JUST SEEMS A BIT MORE LOGIC TO ME THAT YOU'LL HAVE MORE SUPPORT, AND I'M NOT REAL SURE IF I'M SEEING ANYTHING CORRECTLY OR NOT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE FOR ME, I. I THINK THAT YOU ALL NEED SOME MORE TIME. TO TO DO WHAT I THINK YOU MIGHT ARE TRYING TO DO. 
          >> THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER DUSTIN STERNBERG CHIEF COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER TODAY, WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR A DIRECTION ON APPROVAL OF THE BYLAWS. 
          >> OH, SORRY. YES. >> DISCOVERED AND WILL BE TRANSITIONING TO AN INDEPENDENT 
          ORGANIZATION. >> OKAY, SO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS DISCOVERED, THEN WILL BE 
          TRANSFERRED? >> YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I ASKED THAT QUESTION, SHE SAID THAT WAS A GOAL, BUT NOT NECESSARILY. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. YOU SEE WHERE I GOT THAT? SO YES. THE BYLAWS. YEAH. WELL I MEAN YES, I WOULD CERTAINLY AGREE ON YOU ALL HAVING SOME DIRECTION. AND THE BYLAWS ARE CERTAINLY HELPFUL. 
          UPDATED BYLAWS. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE COUNCILOR JESTER CAUGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT THAT I ALSO NOTICED. AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU HIGHLIGHTING THOSE. I WON'T COVER THOSE. AGAIN. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AND I DO WANT TO APPLAUD THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE GONE INTO THIS, I THINK IT'S WE'VE DONE A REALLY, YOU KNOW, LION'S SHARE EFFORT TO TRY TO GET, YOU KNOW, THIS TRANSITION TO HAPPEN. IT'S IT'S A LITTLE CHALLENGING TO MOVE INTO THE CITY AND BACK OUT OF THE CITY. SO I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS ON THAT REGARD. I DO WONDER AND I ACCEPT I ACCEPT THE RESPONSE THAT WE GOT FROM STAFF ABOUT HOW WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY TIED TO A TO A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CENTER LEASE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE NEW BOARD SHOULD AND THE FUTURE COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE SHOULD SHOULD EXAMINE. I'M NOT NOT TRYING TO GET ANYONE IN OR OUT. I JUST I THINK PROBABLY THIS GROUP NEEDS THE FLEXIBILITY TO DECIDE WHERE THEY LIVE OR WHERE THEY DON'T LIVE. THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE UP TO THIS GROUP, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE ADVICE OF THE CITY THAT'S FUNDING IT. SO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT A LEASE FROM THE CITY, THEN THAT'S FUTURE NEGOTIATIONS. 
          BUT I FELT LIKE THE BYLAWS MAYBE, MAYBE TIED YOUR HANDS A LITTLE BIT. I ACCEPT THAT THE MAYBE NOT. SO I'LL JUST MOVE ON FROM THERE. AND THE THE FUTURE BOARD CAN CAN EXAMINE THAT. BUT YES, THANK THANK COUNCILOR JESTER FOR SOME OF THOSE ABOUT SEPARATION FROM OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. I CAUGHT THAT TOO. AND I REALLY THINK Y'ALL DID A GOOD JOB. I LOOK FORWARD 
          TO IT. SO I GIVE DIRECTION AS AS PRESENTED. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM FOR DISTRICT FOUR THEN FIVE. 
          >> THANK YOU. I'M WONDERING IS IS. THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ONE ONE NOMINEE THAT THAT SEEMS THAT SEEMS AWFULLY SKINNY TO ME. I'M A LITTLE I'M A LITTLE TROUBLED BY THAT. COULD YOU 
          ADDRESS THAT PLEASE? >> I CAN SO OTHER CITIES IN THE AREA LOOKED AT. SO I KNOW THAT ARLINGTON HAS BEEN REFERENCED A COUPLE OF TIMES AS FAR AS HAVING TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS. THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS IS ALSO OVER 20 MEMBERS, AND THEY ALSO HAVE 
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A BUDGET OF OVER $10 MILLION. AND SO WHEN LOOKING AT SIMILAR SIZED DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATIONS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, LOOKED AT AMARILLO, IT'S SIMILAR IN SIZE, IT'S SIMILAR IN HOT TAX FUNDS, AND THEY HAVE ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER ON THEIR THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY EX-OFFICIO. SO WE WOULD STILL HAVE AN EX OFFICIO COUNCIL MEMBER AND THEN ANOTHER CITY STAFF. SO WE WOULD HAVE PLENTY OF CITY REPRESENTATION ON THE 
          BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND AS EX-OFFICIO MEMBERS. >> THE TOTAL NUMBER OF 
          DIRECTORS IS 11. >> YES, SIR. >> OKAY. I'M TROUBLED BY THAT. 
          WE WE HAVE THE WE HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF OF OF VOTING MEMBERS AS THE ARTS COUNCIL, AS THE MAIN STREET ASSOCIATION, DRINKING AND DINING ESTABLISHMENTS. 
          >> COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. I THINK THE OTHER PART OF IT IS, IS THE COUNCIL. THREE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL GET TO APPROVE THE FUNDING THROUGH THE HOT FUNDS. SO THEY CAN'T REALLY OPERATE WITHOUT HAVING THE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE DOING THE THE FUNDING MECHANISM. 
          SO I THINK THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE OF CONTROLLING THE DOLLARS THAT THEN FEED INTO THIS, THIS ORGANIZATION, AND THEN HAVING SOMEBODY THAT CAN BE A VOTING MEMBER, BUT THEN AN EX OFFICIO MEMBER IS IS PROBABLY ABOUT RIGHT FOR US. 
          >> OKAY AND OKAY TO THAT. WHO WILL WHO WILL, WHO WILL ADMINISTER HOT FUNDS. 
          >> THE COMMITTEE THE THE THE THREE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE THAT WHEN THEY COME BEFORE YOU, 
          THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ALLOCATE. >> AS IT IS NOW. YES. OKAY. OKAY. WELL THAT HELPS ME. THANK 
          YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. 
          >> I APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND FOR THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION ALONG ALONG THAT LINE. 
          SO DO WILL WE STIPULATE THAT A MEMBER OF THIS ORGANIZATION MUST COME FROM THE PARTNERSHIPS 
          COMMITTEE JUST FOR CONTINUITY PURPOSES? >> I. 
          >> I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF, PERHAPS. >> I THINK THAT THE THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATION WOULD IDENTIFY THE MEMBERSHIP, LIKE WHO WOULD 
          SERVE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FROM THE CITY. >> BECAUSE THIS IS THE BYLAWS. 
          THIS IS A ONE TIME THING. THIS IS NOT A RECURRING THING. THIS IS NOT A LIVE THING. IT'S IT'S YOU HAVE YOUR BYLAWS ONE AND DONE. SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A RECURRING THING WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. THAT'S A ONE TIME THING. THIS IS A THIS IS A GOVERNING DOCUMENT VERSUS A ONE TIME SITUATION THAT TRANSFERS OVER ONCE AND THEN IT'S GOING FORWARD. SO THIS IS GOING FORWARD VERSUS THE HOW DO WE GO FORWARD? 
          >> YES. >> SIR I UNDERSTAND THAT MY QUESTION WAS JUST ABOUT COUNCIL. 
          >> NO OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE CARRYOVER FROM THE EXISTING PERSON. MAYBE I HEARD YOU WRONG, BUT I THOUGHT YOU TALKED ABOUT CARRYOVER. YES. REPRESENTATIVE. HOLD ON. GO AHEAD. 
          >> SORRY. SO TO CLARIFY, CITY COUNCIL WILL NOT VOTE ON THE REPRESENTATION OF THE BOARD. 
          THAT WILL BE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE FOR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. 
          >> MY COUNCIL'S ABOUT MY QUESTIONS ABOUT. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. YOU. 
          >> NO NO NO NO NO. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR FINISH YOUR. >> MY QUESTION IS ABOUT A MEMBER OF THIS BODY WHO WILL SERVE ON THAT BOARD. IS IT THEREFORE PROPER FOR THE MEMBER TO BE ALSO BE A MEMBER OF THE PARTNERSHIPS COMMITTEE FOR CONTINUITY PURPOSES? MAY I 
          YIELD TO MISS JESTER? >> YES, BUT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHY HOW THAT WOULD BE. THAT'S A THAT'S A ONE TIME THING VERSUS A GOVERNING DOCUMENT. REPRESENTATIVE FROM 
          DISTRICT SIX. >> COUNCILPERSON JESTER, THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK AND TRY TO CLARIFY WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING, FOR CONTINUITY PURPOSES, THAT AS PART OF THE BYLAWS, THE IDEA WAS SHOULD WE NOT? WHEN WE SAY A COUNCIL PERSON WILL BE A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD, SHOULD THAT PERSON ALSO NOT SERVE ON THE OTHER RELEVANT BOARD? IS WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU TO SAY AND WHAT? AND I CAN SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. I THINK THAT'S A WISE DECISION. 
          HOWEVER, IN MY OPINION, WE'VE HAD A DIFFICULT TIME SOMETIMES FILLING EVERY POSITION THAT IS EXPECTED OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND SO WHILE I THINK THAT THAT IS A GOOD GOVERNING. 
          LENS TO LOOK AT IT THROUGH, I WOULD PROBABLY MY PERSONAL OPINION WOULD BE TO LEAVE IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL EACH TIME, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THOSE MEETINGS ARE OR WHO MAY BE JUST IN THAT SITUATION CAN AND WE DON'T WANT TO MAYBE HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHANGE THE BYLAWS. BUT I CAN SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND THAT DOES MAKE SENSE. MY PERSONAL 
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OPINION WOULD BE NOT TO PUT THAT IN THE BYLAWS FOR THE REASONS STATED. 
          >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M, I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE FACT THAT SOMETIMES WE HAVE TROUBLE MAKING SURE MEMBERS HAVE TIME TO SERVE ON ALL THESE COMMITTEES. SO AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE I HAD THAT QUESTION ANYWAY. SO ONE PERSON WOULD GO INTO THE MEETING ALREADY KNOWLEDGEABLE OF WHERE PARTNERSHIPS IS GOING AND WHATNOT. SO YEAH, I'M YEAH, EBONY AND IVORY. YEAH, I'M I'M OKAY WITH THIS. I THINK THIS GIVES US THE PROTECTION WE NEED BECAUSE HAVING SERVED ON THE PARTNERSHIPS COMMITTEE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO AUDIT ANY ORGANIZATION THAT WE GIVE HOT FUNDS TO. SO I'M I'M MORE THAN COMFORTABLE THAT THIS GIVES US THE PROTECTION. AND I APPRECIATE THE DILIGENT WORK THAT HAS BEEN HAS GONE INTO THIS OVER THE OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO. WELL DONE. YOU ALL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THIS BOARD WILL ACCOMPLISH. A 
          NEW CHAIR AND LEADERSHIP. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          >> I SUPPORT THE BYLAWS AS PRESENTED. AS I WAS READING THROUGH THEM, THE MAIN THINGS I WAS LOOKING AT WAS I'VE SERVED ON A BODY WHERE OUR CHAIR PASSED AWAY UNEXPECTEDLY AND WE ACTUALLY, IN OUR BYLAWS, DIDN'T HAVE A CLEAR PROCESS FOR FILLING THAT SEAT IN THAT TYPE OF VACANCY. SO DIGGING INTO IT, IT WASN'T SUPER CLEAR IF THAT PROCESS WAS OUTLINED, BUT I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED AFTER THIS IS OUT OF CITY COUNCIL'S HANDS. AND THE OTHER THING I WAS LOOKING AT WAS I'VE BEEN ON A NOMINATING COMMITTEE AND JUST ENSURING THAT THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE IS PUTTING FORWARD, IDEALLY ANYBODY THAT'S ELIGIBLE THAT'S SAID THAT THEY WANT TO SERVE. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT. BUT OTHERWISE 
          I'M I'M IN SUPPORT. >> THANK YOU. >> A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, 
          MAYOR. >> POINT OF CLARIFICATION. >> THANK YOU. MAY I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION THAT THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE INDICATED DIRECTION OF THE BYLAWS AS PRESENTED SPECIFICALLY, DO NOT INCLUDE THE TWEAKS THAT I REQUESTED 
          DURING MY TIME COMMENTING ON THE BYLAWS. >> YES, SIR. 
          >> I'M OKAY WITH ALL THE TWEAKS, EXCEPT I GUESS YOU MENTIONED THE ONE ABOUT BEING ABLE TO AUDIT. SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE THAT ABILITY. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED THAT ONE AGAIN, BUT IF YOU WANT TO BRING IT BACK UP AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO LISTEN AGAIN THOUGH. BUT YES, WITH 
          YOUR TWEAKS. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. 
          >> I THANK YOU FOR THE CAUTION AND I'M FINE WITH YOUR SUGGESTIONS. 
          >> I TOO. >> OKAY, YEAH. >> CAN YOU REMIND ME OF THE 
          TWEAKS? JUST BRIEFLY? OF COURSE I FORGOT TO. >> IT WAS TO ALLOW THE CHAIR TO BE AN EX OFFICIO MEMBER OF THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE. AND THEN I THINK WITH THE MAINTENANCE AND INSPECTION OF RECORDS. NOT NECESSARY, BECAUSE I GUESS BY LAW WE CAN AUDIT ANY RECIPIENT OF HOT FUNDS. I THINK AT THIS TIME THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY CHANGE. 
          >> I SUPPORT THE BYLAWS WITH. COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER SWEET. THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY, SO THAT THAT'S THE MAJORITY. ANYONE ELSE? ANYTHING TO ADD? OKAY THEN I THINK THAT'S APPROVED. THERE'S CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD AS DESIGNED. IS THIS. 
          >> CHRISTINE. THIS IS. >> YES. >> YES. 
          >> GOT IT. OKAY. SO LET ME COME UP. >> MAYOR, WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I DO WANT TO THANK CHRISTINE AND THE STAFF, DUSTIN AND CHRISTINE, ALL THE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER A YEAR AGO WE WERE SITTING HERE AND IT WAS A BIT OF A NIGHTMARE SITUATION AND WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO WORK IT OUT, FIGURE IT OUT. AND CHRISTINE TOOK THE BULL BY THE HORNS AND WORKED WITH BOTH THE CHAMBER AND THE DISCOVER DENTON TO WORK THIS OUT. SO KUDOS TO THE STAFF WHO DID THIS. AND THEN OF COURSE, WORKING QUICKLY TO GET THIS WHERE IT IS. OUR THANKS TO ALL OF OUR PARTNERS THERE THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH. 
          IT'S BEEN A LABOR OF LOVE, AND IT'S CERTAINLY, I THINK, GOING TO BE A GOOD EFFORT. AND THE CHAMBER, I WANT TO GIVE KUDOS TO AARON AND THE CHAMBER FOR BEING SO SUPPORTIVE AND HELPING CHRISTY TO BE ABLE TO GET THE THINGS SHE NEEDS TO TRANSITION. SO IT'S, I THINK ALL THE WAY 
          AROUND. IT'S IT'S A GOOD A GOOD EFFORT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND SO I HAVE AN ELEPHANT TO COMMEMORATE YOUR FIRST PRESENTATION. THEY GAVE YOU A 
          DOOZY. >> THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. SO I'VE GOT A PICTURE. 
          >> AND IT'S OUR LAST PRESENTATION IS ESTABLISHED. >> WELL, PROBABLY. 
          >> HOW DID. >> SHE WORK THAT. >> I IT'S AMAZING. 
          [D. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding a building lease with the Denton City Federation of Woman’s Clubs.
          [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]
          >> ALL RIGHT. >> OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO OUR LAST WORK SESSION BEFORE. AND WE DO HAVE A CLOSED SESSION ATTACHED. SO. YEAH. AND SO THIS IS ITEM D260025. RECEIVE REPORT 
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WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING A BUILDING LEASE WITH DENTON CITY 
          FEDERATION CITY FEDERATION OF WOMEN'S CLUBS. YES. >> COUNCIL PERSON JILL JESTER I JUST WANT TO ANNOUNCE THAT I'M GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS CONVERSATION. I AM A VERY PROUD MEMBER OF ONE OF THE CLUBS, NEW HORIZONS, THAT IS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE CITY FEDERATION OF WOMEN'S CLUBS. I AM UNCLEAR AS TO WHETHER THE STATE LAWS ACTUALLY REQUIRE MYSELF TO RECUSE AS A MEMBER, BUT I DON'T RECEIVE ANY MONETARY BENEFIT FROM MEMBERSHIP. IT'S A SERVICE ORGANIZATION. WE SELL COOKIES ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD TO TRY TO RAISE MONEY FOR THE BUILDING. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M MAKING A LOT OF MONEY AT, BUT TO AVOID EVEN THE APPEARANCE OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, I'M GOING TO RECUSE BUT RESERVE THE RIGHT AS WE DO FURTHER LEGAL RESEARCH BEFORE THE VOTE IS ACTUALLY TAKEN AFTER TODAY, TO IF IT IS DETERMINED THAT I'M NOT BREACHING ANY KIND OF ETHICAL DUTY TO REENGAGE. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU. AND YEAH. SO YEAH, WE'LL LET HER. SORRY. YEAH. 
          >> SORRY. >> YES. WELL, CERTAINLY GO. RIGHT. SO WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION. 
          >> I GUESS I WONDER, IS IT JUST IS IT PERHAPS GERMANE TO PARTICIPATE IN CONVERSATION BUT IF NEED BE RECUSED FROM A POTENTIAL VOTE OR DIRECTION. JUST JUST CURIOUS, GIVEN THAT YOU HAVE UNIQUE INSIGHT AS A MEMBER OF A SERVICE ORGANIZATION THAT WE'RE 
          DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? >> YES, I, I, I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          HOWEVER, IN EMAIL EXCHANGES WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHEN IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN YOU DO RECUSE THAT EVEN THE PRESENCE CAN BE INFLUENTIAL BECAUSE OF MY GOOD LOOKS. 
          PEOPLE TEND TO DO WHAT I WANT TO DO. AND I'VE GOT THIS TRACTOR BEAM IN MY EYES THAT ARE PRETTY EFFECTIVE AT BETH MARIE, SO THEY TEND TO GIVE ME WHATEVER ICE CREAM I ASK FOR ANYWAYS. BUT I DO VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT, AND I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION TO JUST GIVE MY POINT OF VIEW. HOWEVER, I THINK WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT WE MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THIS DISCUSSION SO THAT WE HAVE THE 
          BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME. >> GOT IT. THANK YOU MAYOR. >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          >> YES, SIR. >> REPRESENTATIVE. DISTRICT FOUR. 
          >> WITH RESPECT, I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE CITY CITY ATTORNEY'S OPINION AS TO THE NECESSITY FOR 
          YOU TO RECUSE YOURSELF. >> YEAH, I THINK WE I THINK WE'VE WE'VE BEEN THERE AND AND THIS AND. YEAH, I'M GONNA SAY LESS. I THINK ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD, COUNCILMEMBER JESTER 
          PLEASE DO. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. >> YEAH. 
          >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          >> OKAY OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M CHRISTINE TAYLOR, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER HERE TO TALK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT THE DENTON WOMEN'S CLUB BUILDING LEASE. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF GOALS, A SUMMARY AND A GOAL OF WHAT WE HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH TODAY. SO THE CITY OF DENTON CURRENTLY HOLDS A 99 YEAR LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE DENTON CITY FEDERATION OF WOMEN'S CLUBS, AND FALL OF 2025, THE FEDERATION APPROACHED THE CITY TO EXPRESS THEIR INTEREST IN RENEWING THE LEASE. THE CITY IS CURRENTLY PERFORMING DUE DILIGENCE ON THE SITE AND REVIEWING PROPOSED LEASE TERMS, SO THE GOAL TODAY OF THE PRESENTATION IS TO PROVIDE YOU WITH CONTEXT AND BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THE BUILDING SITE, ALONG WITH IMPORTANT CONTEXT FROM A WORK SESSION IN 2022 WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT QUAKERTOWN PARK MEMORIALS AND HOW THOSE WERE INCORPORATED INTO THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN MASTER PLAN. OKAY, SO THE WOMEN'S CLUB BUILDING IS LOCATED WITHIN QUAKERTOWN PARK. THE SITE IS HISTORICALLY A FREEDMEN'S TOWN BEFORE BEING CONVERTED INTO A CITY PARK IN THE 1920S. THE CITY HAS SEVERAL HAS DESIGNATED THE SEVERAL LOCAL LANDMARKS WITHIN THE PARK, INCLUDING THE DENTON WOMEN'S CLUB BUILDING AND THE O'NEILL FORD CIVIC COMPLEX. THE CIVIC COMPLEX ENCOMPASSES THE FULL BOUNDARY OF THE PARK, INCLUDING THE FOUR DESIGNED CIVIC STRUCTURES AND LANDSCAPES, SO AGAIN THE BUILDING IS LOCATED WITHIN QUAKERTOWN PARK. THE DENTON WOMEN'S BUILDING IS OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE DENTON CITY FEDERATION OF WOMEN, WHO IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION FOUNDED IN 1913. THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A LAND LEASE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY EXECUTED IN 1927 FOR $1 FOR THE 
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FULL TERM OF THE LEASE, WHICH IS SET TO EXPIRE IN AUGUST OF 2026. THE WOMEN'S CLUB BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED BY THE FEDERATION AS A GATHERING SPACE FOR CIVIC, CULTURAL AND EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES. WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT TO THE CONVERSATION TODAY. IN 2022, THE CITY COUNCIL HELD A WORK SESSION FOLLOWING A TWO MINUTE PITCH FROM COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD ON HOW THE CITY WAS APPROACHING THE CENTENNIAL OF QUAKERTOWN PARK AND HOW THE CITY COULD COMMEMORATE FORMER RESIDENTS OF QUAKERTOWN. SEVERAL IDEAS WERE DISCUSSED DURING THAT 2022 WORK SESSION, INCLUDING CHERRY AVENUE SIDEWALK INSTALLATION, MEMORIAL MARKERS, USE OF THE WOMEN'S CLUB BUILDING AS A MUSEUM SPACE, THE IDEA OF A HEALING OR RECONCILIATION GARDEN, A LIVING MUSEUM CONCEPT, AND THROUGH THAT WORK SESSION AND CONVERSATION. ULTIMATELY, DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL WAS GIVEN TO STAFF TO INCORPORATE MEMORIAL DISCUSSIONS AND PLANNING THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN FOR THOSE PERMANENT MEMORIALS. THE DESIGN DOWNTOWN PLAN, WHICH WAS FORMALLY ADOPTED BY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024, INCLUDES A KEY VISION. 
          KEY VISION ELEMENTS FOCUSED ON THE REDESIGN OF QUAKERTOWN PARK. THE VISION WITHIN THAT MASTER PLAN ACKNOWLEDGES THE PARK'S LAYERED HISTORY AND INCLUDED SEVERAL OF THE DESIGN OR THE IDEAS DISCUSSED DURING THE 22 WORK SESSION, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT DURING THAT PROCESS, THE CONSULTANT HAD PUBLIC HAD TONS OF PUBLIC OUTREACH AND INCLUDING WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THE QUAKERTOWN DESCENDANTS AND WITH THE WOMEN'S CLUB. SO ULTIMATELY, WHAT MADE IT INTO THAT FINAL PLAN WAS HISTORICAL MONUMENTS, A HISTORY WALK, CHERRY AVENUE MONUMENTS, A WHITE LILAC MONUMENT AND HEALING GARDEN, A REMEMBRANCE MONUMENT, AND THE PLAN DID NOT INCLUDE OR RECOMMEND ANY CHANGES TO THE WOMEN'S CLUB BUILDING. THE CURRENT BUILDING IS AVAILABLE FOR USE TO THE PUBLIC. IT HAS HIGH CIVIC USE FOR NON-PROFITS. 
          WE LISTED A COUPLE OF THEM THERE, AND SO REALLY THEY USE THIS AS A CATALYST FOR LARGER COMMUNITY BENEFIT TO RAISE FUNDS THAT GENERATE AND GO BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY. THEY OPEN IT UP WITH IN-KIND SERVICES TO FESTIVALS LIKE TEXAS STORYTELLING, DENTON ARTS AND JAZZ FESTIVAL. THE SPACE IS AVAILABLE FOR RENTAL TO THE PUBLIC FOR SOCIAL EVENTS, CLUB MEETINGS, WEDDING, WEDDING RECEPTIONS AND THEIR AMENITIES OF THE BUILDING INCLUDE SPACE FOR UP TO 120 GUESTS, AN ASSEMBLY ROOM WITH A STAGE, AND A KITCHEN WITH ENTRANCE FOR CATERERS. SO. SO THIS PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS JUST TO GIVE THAT BACKGROUND ON 2022, HOW THE CONVERSATION PLAYED INTO THE MASTER PLAN, AND WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING, CONTINUING TO WORK ON DUE DILIGENCE FOR THE SITE. WE ARE IN ACTIVE REVIEW AND NEGOTIATIONS ON LEASE TERMS, AND THEN IN THE FUTURE WE HAVE A CLOSED SESSION NEXT TO TALK ABOUT THOSE TERMS BEING NEGOTIATED. AND THEN WE WOULD RETURN TO COUNCIL WITH ACTION ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION. SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BACKGROUND CONTEXT OF THE 2022 CONVERSATION, WHAT MADE IT INTO THE MASTER PLAN? HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATION TODAY. KAREN RIGGS IS THERE. 
          REPRESENTATIVE. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FROM MAYOR OR THE COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY FOR THEM. 
          >> GOT IT. OKAY, SO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS PORTION. THE BACKGROUND PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION AND THEN ORDER OF THINGS WILL GO INTO CLOSED SESSION TO TALK ABOUT CONTRACTS. 
          COME BACK OUT, GIVE DIRECTION. AND. YEAH MAYOR PRO TEM. >> THANK YOU CHRISTINE. SO DURING THE DESIGN DOWN DOWNTOWN DENTON DISCUSSIONS, WAS THE BUILDING DIRECTLY BROUGHT UP. 
          AS FOR DISCUSSION. >> SO THE ENTIRE FOOTPRINT OF THE PARK WAS DISCUSSED AND THE CONSULTANT WORKED COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE WOMEN'S GROUP, ALONG WITH QUAKER TOWN DESCENDANTS, TO COME UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT MADE IT IN. 
          AND THE RECOMMENDATION AS STAND INCORPORATES ALL THE MEMORIALS DISCUSSED FROM 2022 AND DOES NOT SHOW ANY CHANGES TO THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT OR ANY DIFFERENT USES PROPOSED AS PART 
          OF THE MASTER PLAN. >> OKAY, DID THEY KNOW THAT, OR DID WE ALL KNOW AT THE TIME 
          THAT THE LEASE WAS GOING TO BE UP? YES. >> THIS YEAR, THAT IN 2022, THAT IS ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT PROMPTED THE WORK SESSION. AS WE APPROACH THE CENTENNIAL, ONE OF THE IDEAS WAS DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY WITH THE BUILDING. 
          AND SO COUNCIL WAS MADE AWARE AT THAT TIME THAT WE WERE IN THE 99 YEAR THAT THERE WAS A CURRENT LEASE, THAT THEY OWNED THE BUILDING, OR THAT THEY HAVE A LAND LEASE WITH THE CITY FOR 
          THE 99 YEARS. YES. >> DO WE KNOW DURING THE THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK, IF IF THE 
          PUBLIC KNEW THAT AS PART OF THOSE FEEDBACK. >> I CAN'T SPEAK TO IF THE 
          PUBLIC I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER. >> AND THEN DOES THE CITY CURRENTLY HAVE FUNDING FOR THE 
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MEMORIALS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE OUTLINED IN THE DOWNTOWN DENTON MASTER PLAN? 
          >> NO. THE PART THE DOWNTOWN PLAN IS VERY LARGE, AND SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES. WE HAVE NOT HAD A CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL YET ON HOW TO FUND THOSE THINGS. 
          A COUPLE OF STEPS HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN, LIKE THE EXPANDED TOURS BOUNDARY TO FUND SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS AND OTHER STEPS INITIALLY DOWNTOWN. BUT AS FAR AS ANYTHING ON THE MEMORIAL PARKS, WE HAVE NOT COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH THE FUNDING PLAN OR TIMELINE. 
          >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS MOMENT. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? 
          REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU. CAN YOU REFRESH YOUR MEMORY ON THE ON THE PRECISE TERMS? HOW MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE IN THIS DECISION PROCESS BEFORE THE CONTRACT IS 
          EXPIRED? >> THE LEASE IS UP IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR. 
          >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. AND THEN. TO TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM POINT, I KNOW THAT WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON THE THE QUAKERTOWN PARK AREA ELEMENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, BUT THOSE WERE MUCH MORE NEBULOUS IN THEIR OUTCOME AND THEIR VIEWS AND THEIR GUIDANCE THAN THE REST OF THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN COMPONENTS. I THINK I THINK THERE WAS IT WAS CLEAR THAT THERE WAS. SOME SOME FLEXIBILITY AND CHURN AND NOT A SOLID PLAN ON THAT ONE, PER SE. 
          AND TO THAT AND SO WE WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DENTON WOMEN'S CLUB. AND WHERE ARE WE ON? HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH. WELL YOU MENTIONED AND SO REFRESH MY MEMORY, THE THE FOLKS IN THE DESCENDANTS IN SOUTHEAST DENTON, WHAT KIND OF DISCUSSIONS HAVE 
          GONE ON REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. >> DO YOU MEAN? I MEAN, DURING THE DESIGN DOWNTOWN PLAN, THE CONSULTANT DID EXTENSIVE OUTREACH ON THIS SPECIFIC LEASE. 
          WE'VE NOT DONE ANYWHERE IN OUR DUE DILIGENCE STAGE IN NEGOTIATING DIRECTLY WITH THE 
          WOMEN'S CLUB. >> OKAY. SO SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE PARTIES ARE THE CITY AND THE WOMEN'S CLUB, BUT JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE LARGER CONTEXT, I THINK WE DON'T HAVE IT WOULD BE UNWISE IN OUR COMMUNITY TO, TO EXCLUDE THE COMMUNITY FROM ENGAGEMENT IN THAT REGARD, AS PARTICULARLY THE THE SENTENCE OF THE FOLKS THAT IMPACTED. I THINK ALL THOSE VOICES NEED TO BE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION. 
          SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS, HAS THAT HAPPENED WITH REGARD TO THE THIS CURRENT 
          DUE DILIGENCE? >> NO. ARE WE ARE USING THE GUIDANCE OF THE MASTER PLAN, 
          WHICH HAD THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PORTION IN IT? >> WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S PART OF MY, YOU KNOW, JUST GENERAL ENCOURAGEMENT. I THINK THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE A PIECE. 
          I PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND THE YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE LARGER DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN AND THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN FOOTPRINT AND WHAT THAT MEANS AND THE ENGAGEMENT ON SOME OF THESE OTHER LITTLE ONES, I THINK IS, IS CRITICAL. THERE ARE OTHER ELEMENTS, AND I WON'T BELABOR IT FOR THE SAKE OF EXPEDITION, BUT THE OTHER ELEMENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN THAT WILL REQUIRE MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO GET TO A FINAL RESOLUTION. I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THEM. I, I PERSONALLY WOULD DIRECT US TO HAVE MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AS PART OF THIS, THIS LONGER TERM EFFORT. AND I THINK THERE'S TIME IF THE IF THE LEASE TERMS ARE UP IN AUGUST AND WE ARE WE'RE LIMITING OURSELVES, MR. MAYOR, TO JUST THESE BACKGROUND ELEMENTS. IS THAT CORRECT? 
          >> WE'RE WE'RE LIMITING OURSELVES TO. YES AND TO THE CONTRACT. THIS IS THIS IS A CONTRACT. THIS IS NOT SO I THAT'S GOING TO BE MY QUESTION AFTER YOUR TIME. HOW ARE WE HOW DO WE ENGAGE THE PUBLIC IN A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY. AND SO THAT JUST TO PREVIEW. BUT YEAH, WE ARE LIMITED TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CONTRACT TERMS. 
          >> AND I MEAN AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT WHAT WHAT PORTIONS ARE WE RESERVING FOR PUBLIC AND 
          PRIVATE? I'M JUST TRYING NOT TO CROSS LINES HERE. >> CLOSED IS GOING TO BE THE TERMS, THE SPECIFIC TERMS. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TERMS OF A LEASE WITH AN ENTITY AND THE CITY. AND THEN IN CLOSED WE WILL DIVE INTO THE SPECIFICS OF THOSE TERMS. 
          >> LEASE ONLY OR OTHER OPTIONS. >> LEASE. THAT'S SOMEBODY CORRECT ME. YEAH. 
          >> ONE OF THE THEN THEN THEN SOMETHING I'LL I'LL THROW OUT THERE INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT IN CLOSED IS I WONDER IF THERE ISN'T AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO A WIN WIN SITUATION FOR ALL THE 
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GROUPS INVOLVED TO TO MAKE THE SORT OF SYMBOLIC GESTURES TO THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS IMPROVE THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE WOMEN'S CLUB TO TO WHERE TO ENCOURAGE AS PART OF CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS AND DUE DILIGENCE TO BOTH HAVE THAT ENGAGEMENT PERIOD THAT I JUST MENTIONED, BUT ALSO ENCOURAGE A LARGER SET OF OPTIONS BEYOND JUST THE LEASE, PERHAPS A DONATION OF THE BUILDING BACK TO THE CITY AND THEN A NEGOTIATION NEGOTIATION OF TERMS SUBSEQUENT TO THAT AS TO THE USE OF THAT, OR MAYBE EVEN THE EXCLUSIVE USE OF THE. SO, I MEAN, I THINK THERE ARE LARGER ELEMENTS THAT, THAT, THAT THE COMMUNITY SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN AND THAT I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD THAT WOULD, WOULD, WOULD LEAD TO A WIN WIN. I'M PARTICULARLY AND I'LL JUST LAY IT OUT. I KNOW WE'RE NOT NOT GOING TO NEGOTIATING, SO I WON'T GO THERE. BUT I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO TAKE OVER MAINTENANCE OF A BUILDING. IF THE WOMEN'S CLUB WERE AMENABLE TO THAT AND SAVED THEM ALL THE MAINTENANCE COSTS AND REUNITE, REUNITE THE BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY. SO I THINK THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT HAVE THOSE EXPENSES AND THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AS PART OF THE NEGOTIATIONS IN DUE DILIGENCE. NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, I KNOW THIS IS NOT YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S IN THE REALM OF CONTRACT NEGOTIATION. 
          AND I WANT TO BE CAREFUL HERE. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAN, I LOST IT. 
          AND SO I WANT TO READ INTO THE RECORD HERE. BEAR WITH ME ONE MOMENT. IN REFLECTION ON THE. 
          AND I GUESS I'LL JUST SUMMARIZE BECAUSE I CAN'T, CAN'T FIND THAT QUOTE, BUT I'LL DIRECT PEOPLE FOR THE RECORD TO THE DENTON RECORD CHRONICLE ARTICLE ON NOVEMBER 30TH, 2022, AND IT REFLECTS BACK ON THE WORK SESSION SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2022. AND IT TALKS ABOUT NOT ONLY THE THE SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE EXHAUSTIVE, EXHAUSTIVE NATURE OF THIS. NOT ONLY DID THEY THAT THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL, NOT ONLY DID THEY HAVE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, THEY OPENED UP A PORTAL TO THEN ALLOW RESIDENTS, RELATIVES OF RESIDENTS THAT NO LONGER LIVE IN DENTON TO BE HEARD ON THIS TOPIC. SO IT WAS EXHAUSTIVE TO THE NTH DEGREE TO EXPLORE WHAT WE AS A COMMUNITY NEEDED TO DO IN RESPECT TO THIS AREA AND DOWNTOWN MORE BROADLY. 
          AND THEN LAST THING BEFORE, AND CAN YOU HELP ME FIND THE CLOSED TERMINOLOGY? THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THIS IF YOU'RE CURIOUS, LIKE I WAS WHO WAS ON COUNCIL IN 2022, BECAUSE THAT'S NOTEWORTHY. WHO MADE THAT DECISION? WELL, I WAS HERE. COUNCILMEMBER BECK WAS HERE. 
          COUNCILMEMBER BYRD WAS HERE. COUNCILMEMBER DAVIS WAS HERE. COUNCILMEMBER MCGUIRE WAS HERE. 
          COUNCILMEMBER MCGHEE WAS HERE. AND COUNCILMEMBER WHAT'S. AND SO THAT'S WHO WAS ON THE THAT WAS SERVING AND WOULD HAVE REVIEWED THAT AND PROVIDED INPUT TO THAT EXHAUSTIVE INFORMATION AT THAT TIME. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO SET THE ROOM FOR CLOTHES TO TALK ABOUT TERMS. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW AT 3:39 P.M. CONVENE IN CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE THE CLOSED MEETING ITEM SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING ITEM A ID 260089. 
          DELIBERATION REGARDING REAL PROPERTY UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.072 CONSULTING WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 WILL SET THE ROOM. I'LL SOMEBODY DECIDE WHO STAFF WISE NEEDS TO BEWELCOME BACK TO THISF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. IT IS 
          [AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED:]
630. WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. FIRST ON THE AGENDA IS PLEDGES TO THE UNITED STATES FLAG AND TEXAS FLAG. PLEASE STAND WITH ME IF YOU'RE ABLE. 
          >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS, ONE STATE. 
          >> UNDER. >> GOD. >> ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. NEXT ON 
          [2. PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC]
THE AGENDA IS PRESENTATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC. CAN WE PLAY THE VIDEO FOR ADDRESSING 
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COUNCIL, PLEASE? 
          >> THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, INCLUDING A CODE OF CONDUCT THAT APPLIES TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBERS. THESE RULES WERE ENACTED TO PROMOTE AN ORDERLY PROCESS AND TO PRESERVE DECORUM. SPEAKERS WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE A SCHEDULED REPORT AND FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE AN OPEN MIC REPORT. A BELL WILL RING WHEN TIME HAS EXPIRED. IF THE REMARKS ARE NOT CONCLUDED BY THAT TIME, THE SPEAKER WILL BE ASKED TO STOP SPEAKING. IF THE SPEAKER DOES NOT CEASE AND A SECOND REQUEST IS MADE, THE MAYOR MAY REQUEST TO HAVE THE SPEAKER REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER. SPEAKERS SHOULD NOT APPROACH THE DAIS. IF A SPEAKER HAS MATERIALS FOR THE COUNCIL, PLEASE NOTIFY THE CITY SECRETARY IN ADVANCE FOR SCHEDULED REPORTS. THE COUNCIL MAY INITIATE DISCUSSION OR ASK QUESTIONS FOR NONSCHEDULED OPEN MIC REPORTS. THE COUNCIL MAY LISTEN, HOWEVER, BECAUSE NO NOTICE OF THE SUBJECT OF THE OPEN MIC REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC IN ADVANCE. THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR DECISION BY THE COUNCIL ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS. AS A RESULT, THE COUNCIL MAY ONLY PROCEED AS FOLLOWS ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS PROPOSED TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. MAKE A STATEMENT OF FACTUAL POLICY OR A RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY. SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO DIRECT ALL REMARKS AND QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE, AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MAKING ABUSIVE, PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS. ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE MAY BE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE. COPIES OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY 
          SECRETARY. >> FIRST SPEAKER IS MISS MARY WRIGHT REGARDING NO MOW ZONE ON 
          COOPER CREEK. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> MY NAME IS MARY, RIGHT? I AND MY FAMILY AND I HAVE LIVED ON MILL POND FOR OVER 20 YEARS. THE MILL POND ROAD IN THE COMMUNITY IS NOT AN HOA COMMUNITY, AND DURING THIS TIME COOPER CREEK HAD BEEN MAINTAINED BY THE CITY DRAINAGE AND PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. ON APRIL 25TH, 2007, COOPER CREEK FLOODED AND CAUSED DAMAGE TO SEVERAL HOMES. MANY OF US REMEMBER THE DISRUPTION, STRESS, AND FINANCIAL IMPACT THAT FOLLOWED AFTER THAT FLOOD. RESIDENTS CAME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL ASKING FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO REDUCE FURTHER RISKS. FOR SEVERAL YEARS AFTERWARDS, THE CREEK WAS PROPERLY MAINTAINED AND FUNCTIONED AS INTENDED IN 2024, WITHOUT NOTICE OR RESIDENTS INPUT THE CLASS. THE CITY RECLASSIFIED COOPER CREEK AS A WILDFLOWER ZONE. SINCE THAT CHANGE, MAINTENANCE HAD HAS BEEN REDUCED TO ONCE IN 2024 AND NOTHING FOR 2025. THE VEGETATION HAS BECOME OVERGROWN FOR DRAINAGE CREEK WITH A KNOWN FLOODING HISTORY. THIS RAISES SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THE WATER FLOW, DEBRIS BUILDUP AND DRAINAGE CAPACITY DURING HEAVY RAIN EVENTS. THIS IS NOT ABOUT APPEARANCES, IT'S ABOUT FLOOD PREVENTION AND PROTECTING OUR HOMES. THIS CHANGE ALSO AFFECTED OUR COMMUNITY. WILDLIFE. THE ONCE THRIVED ALONG THE CREEK HAS DECLINED AND NEIGHBORS NO LONGER GATHER, WALK, WALK ALONG THE AREA AS THEY ONCE DID. A SHARED COMMUNITY SPACE HAS BECOME LESS ACCESSIBLE AND SAFE. WE SUPPORT ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, BUT DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURES MUST FUNCTION AS A DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE. RESIDENTS WHO LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF THESE DECISIONS DESERVE TO BE INCLUDED. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO REVISIT THIS DESIGNATION, RESTORE APPROPRIATE MAINTENANCE, AND WORK WITH THIS COMMUNITY TO ENSURE COOPER CREEK IS MANAGED IN A WAY THAT PROTECTS BOTH THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE HOMES AROUND IT. AND I'M GOING TO FLASH THROUGH THE PICTURES OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE. AND THIS IS THE AREA WHERE IT'S LOCATED. OKAY. GO BACK THROUGH, CLICK AGAIN. THIS IS BEFORE. AND THIS IS THE AREA, MILL POND 
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AND EVERYTHING. AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT ON THE AGENDA WE HAVE MISS GRACE HANSON REGARDING ICE IN OUR COMMUNITY. IF YOU'LL APPROACH THE PODIUM AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR 
          MINUTES. >> HI, MY NAME IS GRACE HANSON, AND I'VE LIVED IN DISTRICT TWO OF DENTON FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS NOW. AFTER MOVING UP HERE TO ATTEND UNT, I AM HERE REPRESENTING MY FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS. WHILE I WANT YOU ALL TO TAKE ANY ACTION POSSIBLE TO RESTRICT ICE IN OUR CITY, I'M CALLING ON YOU TODAY SPECIFICALLY TO WORK WITH OUR CITY MANAGER IN ADVISING DENTON PD NOT TO WORK WITH ICE OR ANY OF THE COUNTY SHERIFFS COLLABORATING WITH THIS RECKLESS FEDERAL AGENCY. THIS INCLUDES, BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO, REQUIRING DENTON PD TO PRACTICE CONFIDENTIALITY REGARDING THE INFORMATION THEY COLLECT, INCLUDING IMMIGRATION STATUS, NOT ALLOWING ICE AGENTS TO OPERATE IN OUR CITY JAIL. 
          REFUSING TO RUN JOINT OPERATIONS INVOLVING IMMIGRANT DETENTION, AND INVESTIGATING. 
          WHEN WE CALL AND ASK IF THE MASKED MEN WHO TAKE AWAY OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE ACTUAL FEDERAL AGENTS AND NOT OPPORTUNISTIC PREDATORS. I'VE EMAILED EACH OF YOU DETAILING THESE SAFEGUARDS AND MORE, THAT OTHER CITIES IN TEXAS AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE TAKEN. 
          LIKE MANY OF OUR CITY'S RESIDENTS, I'M ALARMED BY THE PRESENCE OF ICE IN DENTON, AS WELL AS OUR CITY'S CONTINUED COMPLIANCE AND COOPERATION WITH A FEDERAL AGENCY THAT'S IN THE NEWS DAILY FOR THEIR ILLEGAL HARASSMENT, KIDNAP AND MURDER OF PEOPLE BOTH WITH AND WITHOUT THE RIGHT PAPERWORK. I KNOW YOU LOVE THIS CITY, I DO TOO. I LOVE MY NEIGHBORS, LOVE SITTING ON MY PORCH AND LISTENING TO THE BAND OF MUSIC THEY PLAY DURING BACKYARD FAMILY PARTIES IN THE SUMMER. I LOVE STOPPING BY MY CASITA. ON FRIDAYS I GET PAID AND CHATTING ABOUT THE WEATHER AND CONSTRUCTION WITH THE OWNER, MATT AND HIS EMPLOYEES. I LOVE GETTING ICE CREAM AT BRAUM'S AND WAVING AT THE TODDLER WHO PEEKS AT MY FRIEND AND I IN THE BOOTH NEXT TO US. WHEN THAT LITTLE GIRL TRIES TO TALK TO US IN GIBBERISH TODDLER SPANISH. I LOVE LAUGHING ALONGSIDE HER PARENTS. I WORRY NOW ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO THAT FAMILY IF THEY SPEAK SPANISH IN THE WRONG PLACE, IN FRONT OF THE WRONG PEOPLE IN OUR CITY. I WORRY ABOUT THEM BEING STALKED IN THEIR HOMES AND THREATENED BY PEOPLE WITH GUNS, WHO FLASH FAKE WARRANTS AND REFUSE TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. I WORRY ABOUT THAT MOM DROPPING OFF HER DAUGHTER AT DAYCARE AND NEVER COMING TO PICK HER UP BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN IN THE BACK OF AN UNMARKED SEDAN, BEING TAKEN TO A DETENTION FACILITY WHERE SHE WILL LOSE ACCESS TO BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. ALL OF THE ABOVE ARE REAL SITUATIONS BEING DOCUMENTED IN TEXAS AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I HAVE PROVIDED YOU WITH SOURCES VIA EMAIL. WHEN WE ROLL OVER AND SHAKE HANDS WITH ICE, WE BECOME COMPLICIT IN EVERY CRIME THEY COMMIT WITHOUT OVERSIGHT OR ACCOUNTABILITY. EVEN OUR INACTION, ESPECIALLY OUR INACTION, IS US CHOOSING TO COMPLY. I AM ASKING YOU TODAY TO TAKE ACTION AND PROTECT US BY CREATING POLICY THAT WILL KEEP OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT FROM WORKING WITH THE UNGOVERNED, BLOATED FEDERAL PARASITE THAT 
          IS ICE. PLEASE PROTECT US. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> NEXT UP IS MISS JUNE COOK. REGARDING FLOCK CAMERAS, USE AND SURVEILLANCE. COME UP, SAY YOUR NAME. MAYBE PULL THE MIC DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT AND YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          >> GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL MEMBERS, FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS. MY NAME IS JUNE COOK. I LIVE HERE IN DENTON, JUST OFF OF LOCUST STREET. I'M A STUDENT, A WAITRESS, A POLL WORKER, AND AN OCCASIONAL TOWN HALL ATTENDEE. BUT TODAY IS MY FIRST TIME AS A TOWN HALL SPEAKER. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, MY NEIGHBORS, AND MY BROADER COMMUNITY TO ASK FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY AND ENFORCEABLE LIMITS ON HOW SURVEILLANCE DATA, ESPECIALLY FLOCK CAMERA DATA, IS USED AND SHARED IN THE CITY OF DENTON. I'M ALSO HERE TO RAISE THE CONCERN THAT A LACK OF OVERSIGHT OVER THIS DATA IS PUTTING YOUR CONSTITUENTS AT RISK, AND MAY BE INDIRECTLY AIDING ICE. LET ME BEGIN BY SAYING HOW MUCH I LOVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS CITY, AND HOW MOST PEOPLE AROUND ME USUALLY DO, TOO. BUT LATELY, TRUST IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS STRAINED. EVEN THE MOST POLITICALLY CHECKED OUT RESIDENTS FEEL UNEASY, AND THOSE WHO ARE PAYING ATTENTION ARE FRANKLY OUTRAGED. THESE FEELINGS DIDN'T COME OUT OF NOWHERE. THE FRUSTRATION SOLIDIFIED WHEN THE DENTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE EXPANDED ITS 287G AGREEMENT WITH ICE, AND WHEN BOTH THE CITY AND DPD BEGAN INCREASING ITS FLOCK USAGE. THESE FLOCK CAMERAS PHOTOGRAPH EVERY CAR THAT PASSES AND STORES THAT 
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DATA FOR LATER SEARCH, WITHOUT REQUIRING WARRANTS OR NOTICE TO RESIDENTS. THE AGREEMENT TO INSTALL THESE CAMERAS, WITH THE GOAL OF CREATING A SURVEILLANCE CENTER, CAME AND PASSED JUST OVER A MONTH AGO WITHOUT AN OPPORTUNITY FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT OR VOTE ON IT. MY UNDERSTANDING NOW IS THAT THE CITY IS SEEKING A GRANT TO CREATE A REAL TIME INFORMATION CENTER, OR TICK. THIS CENTER WOULD COMBINE MULTIPLE SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS INTO ONE CENTRALIZED PLATFORM, INCLUDING FLOCK CAMERAS. IN JANUARY LAST YEAR, THE CITY APPROVED A THREE YEAR CONTRACT WITH FLOCK, WITH THE OPTION TO EXTEND IT TO FIVE YEARS. OFFICIALLY, DENTON REPORTS HAVING TEN OF THESE CAMERAS. UNOFFICIALLY, THOUGH TRACKING TOOLS SUGGEST THERE MAY BE MORE THAN 30 CAMERAS IN THE AREA, INCLUDING PRIVATELY OWNED CAMERAS, THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN REQUEST ACCESS TO. THE PUBLIC HAS VERY LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW DATA FROM THESE CAMERAS IS USED, AND THE CURRENT TRANSPARENCY PORTAL IS VAGUE AT BEST. IT SAYS THAT DATA IS USED FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, PLATE READING AND SILVER ALERTS THAT IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT IS PROHIBITED, BUT IT ALSO SHOWS THAT MANY OUTSIDE AGENCIES ALREADY HAVE ACCESS TO THAT DATA, INCLUDING DENTON COUNTY SHERIFF, WHICH NOW HAS FORMAL ICE PARTNERSHIP. I KNOW ICE AND SURVEILLANCE AREN'T THE FOCUS OF TODAY'S AGENDA, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I'M HERE. 
          MANY HAVE RAISED TRANSPARENCY CONCERNS. BEFORE LOCAL ATTORNEY MR. GLADDEN DID, COUNCIL MEMBER DEB ARMENTOR DID, AND NOW THERE'S A PETITION CALLING TO DENTON THAT'S GAINING POPULARITY. THERE ARE CONSTANT QUESTIONS AND SHOCK HAPPENING ON DENTON FACEBOOK AND REDDIT PAGES. PEOPLE ARE BECOMING MORE EDUCATED ABOUT SURVEILLANCE PRACTICES IN THIS CITY AND ARE FEELING SIDELINED IN THE DECISION MAKING. SO HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE THE ADDITION OF NEW CAMERAS NEEDS TO BE VOTED ON ISSUE, AND THE SCOPE OF CURRENT CAMERAS NEEDS TO BE TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC. I UNDERSTAND THAT FLOCK DATA HAS BECOME EMBEDDED INTO POLICE PRACTICES, BUT IF DISMANTLING THE FLOCK SYSTEM ISN'T ON THE TABLE, THEN HONESTY AND OVERSIGHT OF ITS USAGE CERTAINLY MUST BE REAL. TRANSPARENCY WOULD INCLUDE A PUBLIC, REGULARLY UPDATED RECORD OF EVERY TIME FLOCK DATA IS ACCESSED, WHO ACCESSED IT, WHEN AND WHY. CLEAR DOCUMENTATION OF ALL DATA SHARING PARTNERS, INCLUDING INTER-AGENCY ACCESS, A PUBLIC MAP OF EVERY FLOCK, CAMERA LOCATION AND WHO OWNS IT, INCLUDING THE PLANNED LOCATIONS OF NEW CAMERAS AND FORCED AUDITABLE RETENTION AND DELETION LIMITS, AND A BINDING WRITTEN PROHIBITION, NOT A GOAL OR POLICY STATEMENT, AGAINST ANY USE OR SHARING OF THIS DATA FOR IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT, INCLUDING THROUGH PARTNER AGENCIES. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> NEXT, WE HAVE MARK REDDING. STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE 
          FOUR MINUTES. >> OKAY GUYS, MY NAME IS MARK REDDING AND I'M THE OWNER OF REDDING MARTIAL ARTS, WHICH HAS OPERATED HERE IN DENTON FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS. MY FAMILY HAS BEEN PART OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS. MY FATHER HAS OWNED AND OPERATED A BUSINESS HERE FOR OVER 50 YEARS. MY MOTHER HAS OWNED AND OPERATED A LOCAL BUSINESS HERE FOR OVER 40 YEARS. BOTH BUSINESSES ARE STILL OPERATING TODAY. WE LIVE HERE, WE WORK HERE. WE HAVE BUILT OUR BUSINESSES IN DENTON WITH PRIDE. I'M HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE I RECEIVED 22 MONTHS OF BACK BILLED UTILITY CHARGES, INCLUDING UTILITY CHARGES THAT WERE ACCUMULATED WITH LATE FEES TOTALING $2,866.83. DESPITE NEVER MISSING A SINGLE PAYMENT ON MY CITY OF DENTON UTILITY ACCOUNT IN NEARLY 30 YEARS. TO BE CLEAR, I HAVE ALWAYS PAID MY BILL ON TIME. MOST OF THE TIME IT'S PAID EARLY. I WAS NEVER NOTIFIED OF A RATE TIERED CHANGE. I HAVE RECEIVED NO WARNING, NO EXPLANATION, NO OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS BEFORE THE CHARGES ACCUMULATED. 
          WHEN I CALLED, I WAS TOLD MY BUSINESS MOVED INTO A HIGHER USAGE TIER DURING CERTAIN MONTHS. THAT WAS ONCE THAT ONCE THIS OCCURS, THE HIGHER RATE REMAINS, WHICH I STILL CANNOT GET ANSWERS TO. WHY THESE CHARGES WERE ALLOWED TO OCCUR NEARLY TWO YEARS WITHOUT EVEN NOTIFYING ME. HAD I KNOWN AFTER THE FIRST MONTH, I WOULD HAVE ADDRESSED IT IMMEDIATELY. 
          INSTEAD, I WAS PRESENTED WITH NEARLY TWO YEARS OF CHARGES AND INSTRUCTED TO PAY THEM IMMEDIATELY, INCLUDING LATE FEES, WITHOUT HAVING RECEIVED PRIOR NOTICE. BECAUSE NO NOTICE WAS PROVIDED. I'M FORMALLY DISPUTING THE FULL AMOUNT OF $2,866.83. THIS IS NOT ABOUT AVOIDING RESPONSIBILITY. THIS IS ABOUT CLEAR PROCESS AND FAIR NOTICE. IF A FULLY PAID, LONG STANDING SMALL BUSINESS CAN ACCUMULATE NEARLY TWO YEARS OF CHARGES WITHOUT NOTICE, THAT IS A PROCESS THAT I BELIEVE DESERVES REVIEW. I'M RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION SHOWING WHERE AND HOW. OF ANY RATE TIER CHANGE WAS PROVIDED. A CLEAR, ITEMIZED EXPLANATION OF HOW THESE CHARGES WERE CALCULATED, AND A FAIR RESOLUTION BASED ON 
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DOCUMENTED NOTICE OF ACCURATE BILLING. SMALL BUSINESSES RELY ON CLEAR COMMUNICATION. WE CANNOT CORRECT ISSUES WE ARE NEVER INFORMED ABOUT. I LOVE THIS CITY. MY FAMILY LOVES THIS CITY. WE'VE INVESTED DECADES OF OUR LIVES HERE. THIS ISN'T ABOUT ONE BILL. IT'S ABOUT WHETHER LONG STANDING, FULLY PAID BUSINESSES ARE GIVEN CLEAR NOTICE AND A FAIR CHANCE TO RESPOND. I'M ASKING FOR TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND A FAIR REVIEW. THANK YOU 
          GUYS FOR THE CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU. >> COUNCILMEMBER BECK. 
          >> WE CAN'T DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT ON THE AGENDA. BUT I WILL ASK THE CITY MANAGER IF SHE WILL HAVE STAFF TALK WITH YOU AND THEN UPDATE US. SO I KNOW WE'RE NOT 
          ALLOWED TO DISCUSS THAT. SO I'M GOING TO PASS THE FLOOR BACK. >> SO I'M GOING TO HAVE WE HAVE A SESSION COMING UP IN FEBRUARY, THE NEXT MEETING WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT SOME THINGS. 
          AND SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TONY REACH OUT TO YOU AND SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND GO OVER ALL THAT SO YOU CAN ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU WANT AND GET THEM ANSWERED. SO YES. YES, MA'AM. 
          YES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CITY 
          MANAGER. >> NEXT WE HAVE DANA ZELTNER. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND 
          YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> FOR PICTURES, GUYS. >> OKAY. 
          >> AND IF THE MICS A LITTLE TOO HIGH, YOU CAN BRING IT DOWN. THERE WE GO. 
          >> DANA ZELTNER LAST MEETING, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TABLE THE ADU ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO FIX THE CRITERIA THAT RELATED TO THE ARCHITECTURAL COMPATIBILITY OF ADUS. DURING THE DISCUSSION, COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER, IN RESPONSE TO A QUERY OF THE EXPENSE FOR DEVELOPERS TO PAY FOR TWO ADUS ON A SITE, STATED THAT WE CAN REVISIT THE COST OF THE SP AND INCLUDE THREE OF THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AND THE FUTURE. THE NEXT DAY, I SENT AN EMAIL TO ALL THE COUNCIL RECORD REQUESTING AN ASSURANCE THAT WAREHOUSES WOULD NOT SHOW UP IN BACKYARDS. NO ONE RESPONDED. 
          THEREFORE, I'M HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE MORE TOOL SHEDS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SHOW UP BEFORE YOU REVISIT THE REQUIREMENTS. AS MISS JESTER SUGGESTED, YOU CAN DO IT AT ANY TIME, AND THE TIME FOR THE PART OF THE ORDINANCE IS NOW. TAKE OUT COLOR AND LEAVE THE OTHER THREE CONSISTENCY AND ROOF PITCH CONSISTENCY AND ORIENTATION OF BUILDING MATERIALS AND SAME ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OR DETAIL. THIS GIVES OUR NEIGHBORHOODS A FIGHTING CHANCE TO HAVE CUTE LITTLE BUNGALOWS AND BACKYARDS AND NOT WAREHOUSES. I REALIZE THAT I'M NOT ALLOWED TO ASK FOR A RESPONSE. HOWEVER, IF IT ISN'T ADDRESSED SOON, I'LL BE BACK EVERY MEETING MAKING THE SAME REQUEST. IT'S ABOUT TIME YOU SHOWED SOME CONCERN. FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN AN AREA THAT HAVE HOMES BUILT IN THE 40S AND 50S, INSTEAD OF CONTINUING TO TRY TO DESTROY ESTABLISHED AREAS BECAUSE THE CITY HAS NO RESPECT FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. EVEN NOW, DEVELOPERS COME IN, MAKE MAJOR CHANGES WITH NO PERMITS IN SIGHT. IT WAS HAPPENING TWO DOORS WEST OF ME. I HAD TO MAKE TWO PHONE CALLS BEFORE ANYONE EVEN DID ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I'M TIRED OF HAVING TO BE THE BAD GUY JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T CARE TO ENFORCE YOUR OWN CODES. WHEN IT COMES TO HOMES AROUND THE SQUARE. NOW, WHAT I'VE GOT HERE. I'M SORRY, I'M I AM, I AM 
          TECHNOLOGY. >> THANK YOU. THIS. >> AND THIS. 
          >> IS IT. >> WHAT I SHOWED YOU BEFORE WAS IT'S 1107 BROADWAY. IT'S THE EXACT SAME BUILDING THAT'S AT 605 EMERY. SO WE'VE GOT TWO ALREADY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE ONE AT 1107 BROADWAY IS IS CALLED A TOOL SHED. THE PICTURE I TOOK WAS SIX CARS IN FRONT OF THE TOOL SHED. AND THE THREE BEDROOM, ONE BATH PROPERTY. AND AND IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR 
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MONTHS. I CALLED AND ASKED ABOUT THAT. THEY SAID, OH, WE'LL CHECK IF IT'S BEING 
          RENTED, THEN WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. NOBODY'S DONE ANYTHING. >> YET. 
          >> WHAT? 1107 BROADWAY. AND IT WAS BUILT BEFORE OURS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE IRONY OF OURS IS THAT IT'S AN STR. IT ISN'T EVEN GOING TO HELP WHAT YOU ALL WANT TO DO, WHICH IS INFILL RENTAL PROPERTY. SO I ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT. YOU IS THAT YOU PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA AND GET 
          THIS FIXED NOW SO WE CAN AT LEAST PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. >> THANK YOU, MISS ZELTNER. 
          [3. CONSENT AGENDA]
          >> OKAY. >> NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAD ITEMS E AND F PULLED. SO CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THE REST OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? MINUS E AND F? 
          >> JUST FOR A SEPARATE VOTE? >> FOR A SEPARATE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER BECK. 
          >> I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ACCEPTING FOR ITEMS E AND F. 
          >> COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY READY FOR A VOTE? VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM E, ID 25-2367. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE 
          [E. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton granting Balfour Beatty a noise exception pursuant to Section 17-20(c)(3)(f) of the City of Denton Code of Ordinances with respect to sound levels and hours of operation for approximately 29 concrete parking lot, foundation, and Insulated Concrete Form (ICF) wall pours, which utilizes concrete pumps, generators, and lights related to the construction of a new elementary school located at 2525 Yellowstone Pl; granting an increase in sound levels and a variance in the hours of operation which may be affected by weather, from 3:00 a.m. to 7:00 a.m., with sound not to exceed 95 decibels; and providing an effective date.]
OF CITY OF DENTON GRANTING BALFOUR BEATTY A NOISE EXEMPTION PURSUANT TO SECTION 1720 C3F OF THE CITY OF DENTON. CODE OF ORDINANCES WITH RESPECT TO SOUND LEVELS AND HOURS OF OPERATION FOR APPROXIMATELY 29. CONCRETE. CONCRETE PARKING LOT, FOUNDATION AND INSULATED CONCRETE FORM. WALL PAWS, WHICH UTILIZES CONCRETE PUMPS, GENERATORS, AND LIGHTS RELATED TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LOCATED AT 2525 YELLOWSTONE PLACE, GRANTING AN INCREASE IN SOUND LEVELS AND A VARIANCE IN THE HOURS OF OPERATION WHICH MAY BE AFFECTED BY WEATHER FROM 3 A.M. TO 7 A.M. WITH SOUND TO NOT EXCEED 95DB, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. ANY PRESENTATION OR NO PRESENTATION. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE. 
          >> A MOTION APPROVAL. >> DO I HEAR A SECOND? COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD. 
          >> I'LL SECOND. >> AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER BECK WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. 
          >> YEAH, I I'M THE ONE THAT ASKED TO HAVE THIS PULLED. I RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S A CHALLENGE AS ESPECIALLY ON A COUPLE OF THE PAWS, BUT I THINK IT'S WE NEED TO I KNOW THIS IS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, WE NEED TO BE RESPECTFUL OF OUR NOISE ORDINANCES AND HAVING CONSTRUCTION PAUSE FOR TWO OF THE PAWS AT THREE IN THE MORNING THAT ARE NOT HEAT RELATED, BUT THAT ARE LOGISTICS AND AND SCHEDULING RELATED, I THINK DOESN'T RESPECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S NEED FOR WHY WE HAVE THE NOISE ORDINANCE IN THE FIRST PLACE. I RECOGNIZE THE OTHER TWO PAWS THAT THAT ARE IN THE SUMMERTIME HEAT ARE ABSOLUTELY THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO NEED THAT TO PROTECT THE WORKERS. SO I'M RESPECTFUL OF THAT. BUT I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO RESPECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS. 
          >> COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. >> THANK YOU. IS THIS A JENNINGS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? THE 
          NEW ONE OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL VOTE ON THE SCREEN. 
          >> MAYOR PRO TEM. >> YES, SIR. >> POINT OF ORDER, PLEASE. YES, SIR. THE THE A YES VOTE IS APPROVING THE MOTION. CORRECT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THE MOTION PASSES FIVE ONE. NEXT ITEM IS ITEM F ID 
          [F. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton granting approval of a wastewater easement for the public and conveyance of a temporary construction easement to Dentex Land, Cattle, and Energy, LP for construction of wastewater improvements being located within City of Denton Parkland known as Sagebrook Park, providing for the consideration of Seven Thousand, Two Hundred, Six Dollars and 00/100 Dollars ($7,206.00) for such easements; providing for severability and an effective date.]
262441. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE OF CITY OF DENTON, GRANTING APPROVAL OF A WASTEWATER EASEMENT FOR THE PUBLIC AND CONVEYANCE OF A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT TO DENTEX LAND, CATTLE AND ENERGY LP FOR CONSTRUCTION OF WASTEWATER IMPROVEMENTS BEING LOCATED WITHIN CITY OF DENTON PARK. LAND KNOWN AS AS SAGE BROOK PARK, PROVIDING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF $7,206 FOR SUCH EASEMENTS. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. NO ONE TO SPEAK ON THIS. ANYONE WANTING TO MAKE A 
          COMMENT, COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER. >> I MOVE APPROVAL AS PROPOSED. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE. 
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          >> I'LL SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION. COUNCIL MEMBER BACK. 
          >> THANK YOU. YEAH, THIS THIS WAS ME AGAIN. AND THE I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS. IT'S NOT THAT I HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE SANITARY SEWER PLAN THAT'S RUNNING THROUGH THIS AREA. IT'S IT'S THE IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING THING. WE'RE NOT LAID OUT. I THERE WAS SOME SOME DISCUSSION WITH STAFF THAT THAT THEY WILL BE MITIGATED BUT NO DETAILS WERE PROVIDED. SO I SORT OF THINK THAT WITHOUT THOSE ADDITIONAL DETAILS, IT'S PREMATURE FOR ME TO SUPPORT, GIVEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT THE SANITARY SEWER THAT I OBJECT TO. IT'S THE PLANNING AROUND THE SANITARY SEWER THAT THAT I HAVE 
          QUALMS ABOUT. SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION SEEING NONE, WE'LL VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES FIVE ONE. NEXT UP WE HAVE 
          [A. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas amending the Denton Design Criteria Manual; authorizing the City Manager to execute stormwater facility maintenance agreements; and providing for severability, a savings clause and an effective date.]
PUBLIC HEARINGS. THE FIRST ITEM IS ITEM A, ID 25-1975. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, AMENDING THE DENTON DESIGN CRITERIA MANUAL, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE STORMWATER FACILITY MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS AND PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, A SAVINGS CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR PRO TEM CITY COUNCIL. I'M MIKE LINDER, INTERIM CITY ENGINEER, AND I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO PRESENT ON THE PROPOSED UPDATES TO OUR DESIGN CRITERIA MANUAL, AS WELL AS AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE STORMWATER FACILITY MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS. WE'LL LOOK BRIEFLY ON WHAT THE DESIGN CRITERIA MANUAL IS AND HOW IT'S USED WITHIN THE CITY, THEN HAVE A BACKGROUND ON HOW THESE UPDATES ARE DONE AND COORDINATED WITHIN THE CITY AND OUTSIDE STAKEHOLDERS, AND TOUCH ON SOME OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT UPDATES TO EACH SECTION OF THE DESIGN CRITERIA MANUAL. SO THE CITY OF DENTON HAS A NUMBER OF GOVERNING DOCUMENTS THAT HAS AN ESTABLISHED HIERARCHY. AT THE TOP OF THAT HIERARCHY IS OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS IS A LONG RANGE PLAN THAT DIRECTS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY AND THE AREAS THAT WE'D LIKE TO GROW, AND THE WAY THAT WE'D LIKE TO GROW. BELOW THAT IS THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE. THIS LAYS OUT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR ZONING AND SUBDIVISION REGULATION. IT'S A PLANNING LEVEL DOCUMENT. NEXT WOULD BE THE DESIGN CRITERIA MANUAL, WHICH IS THE DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS EVENING. THIS IS A TECHNICAL ENGINEERING RESOURCE THAT LAYS OUT THE APPROVED METHODOLOGIES FOR DESIGNING INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE CITY OF DENTON. 
          BELOW THAT IS THE CONSTRUCTION SPECIFICATIONS, WHICH LAYS OUT THE APPROVED CONSTRUCTION METHODOLOGIES, APPROVED MATERIALS LIST HOW TO ACTUALLY BUILD WHAT'S BEEN DESIGNED. AND LAST WE WOULD HAVE THE STANDARD DETAILS, WHICH PROVIDES A DETAILED DEPICTION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE BUILT. SOME BACKGROUND ON ON HOW WE DO THESE UPDATES. THE CRITERIA MANUAL HAS A WIDE RANGE OF IMPACTS ACROSS THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. SO OUR FIRST STEP IS TO GET TECHNICAL EXPERTS FROM EACH DEPARTMENT TO COME AND LOOK AT ALL THE COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED SINCE THE PREVIOUS MANUAL UPDATE. WE LOG COMMENTS BOTH FROM INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS AND OUTSIDE ENTITIES. ONCE WE'VE HAVE A A DRAFT OF HOW TO ADDRESS ALL THESE COMMENTS, WE HAVE MUCH LARGER IN-PERSON MEETINGS WITH REPRESENTATIVE GROUPS FROM EACH DEPARTMENT WHERE WE GO THROUGH THE MANUAL TOGETHER. LOOK AT HOW WE PLAN TO ADDRESS THESE UPDATES, MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AGREEMENT, AND THAT THERE IS NO CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE PLANNED RESOLUTION TO THESE COMMENTS BEFORE APPROVED INTERNAL FINAL DRAFT ONLINE, AND THEN BRINGING THAT DRAFT TO THE VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THE CITY, AS WELL AS PRESENTING TO PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS. THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE PUBLIC OUTREACH PLAN. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S PRETTY EXTENSIVE JUST DUE TO THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT THIS MANUAL IMPACTS BOTH INTERNAL CAPITAL PROJECTS AS WELL AS DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. 
          IT'S ALWAYS A BIG PUSH TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT THERE, AS WELL AS GET THAT THE FEEDBACKS AND COMMENTS. WE KICKED THIS OFF IN EARLY SEPTEMBER BY PUTTING THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ON NOTICE THAT THESE UPDATES WERE COMING. GOT THAT INITIAL DRAFT POSTED IN OCTOBER, GAVE PRESENTATIONS TO TEXAS SOCIETY OF PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS, AS WELL AS BRINGING IT BEFORE THE VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND RECEIVING FEEDBACK. I'LL GO OVER SOME OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT UPDATES FROM EACH SECTION WITHIN THE DESIGN CRITERIA MANUAL. THE SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING SECTION. ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE WAS GIVEN TO PROVIDE FOR SIDE LOAD ENCLOSURES IN AREAS WHERE A MORE TYPICAL FRONT LOAD ENCLOSURE MAY NOT FIT UNDER 
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STORMWATER, WE'LL TOUCH ON THE STORMWATER FACILITY MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS. THESE AGREEMENTS ARE REQUIRED ANYTIME THERE IS A STORMWATER ASSET THAT IS BEING PRIVATELY MAINTAINED. THIS IS TYPICALLY A DETENTION BASIN. IT MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT ASSET IS PRIVATE, TYPICALLY THROUGH AN HOA, AND ALSO PROVIDES THEM WITH A TAILORED INSPECTION MAINTENANCE CHECKLIST THAT'S PUT TOGETHER BY THE ENGINEER THAT DESIGNED THAT DETENTION BASIN, SO THAT THOSE OWNERS KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THAT ASSET. THE REQUIREMENT FOR THESE AGREEMENTS WAS ACTUALLY INCLUDED DURING THE PREVIOUS CRITERIA MANUAL IN 2024. BUT AS WE'RE BEGINNING TO GET THE FIRST HANDFUL OF THESE AGREEMENTS GETTING READY TO BE EXECUTED, WE'RE RECOGNIZING THE VALUE AND HAVING THE CITY MANAGER ABLE TO ENTER THESE AGREEMENTS RATHER THAN BRINGING EVERY DETENTION BASIN THAT'S TO BE CONSTRUCTED BEFORE THE COUNCIL INDIVIDUALLY, IS AN ITEM. OTHER NOTEWORTHY UPDATES UNDER THE STORMWATER SECTION ARE MORE ROBUST PROTECTIONS FOR WATER QUALITY, AS WELL AS ALLOWING A NEW PIPE MATERIAL WITHIN THE STORMWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM, WE'D BE ALLOWING A POLYPROPYLENE IN ADDITION TO REINFORCED CONCRETE. UNDER THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION OF THE MANUAL, WE'VE UPDATED THE ROADWAY GEOMETRY TABLE AS WELL AS PROVIDED ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE FOR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT AND SCHOOL RELATED AREAS. THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE PROVIDED FOR ON STREET PARKING, JUST DESIGNED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PARKING ADJACENT TO A TRAVELWAY REMAINS SAFE. UNDER THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SECTION. WE'RE NOW PROPOSING TO REQUIRE GEOTECHNICAL STUDIES ANYTIME A METAL PIPE IS BEING USED. THIS IS BECAUSE THERE'S A CORROSIVE SOILS PRESENT WITHIN THE CITY OF DENTON, AND IT CAN DRASTICALLY REDUCE THE PERFORMANCE LIFE OF METAL PIPE IF THAT'S NOT IDENTIFIED UPFRONT. SO THESE GEOTECHNICAL STUDIES WOULD NOTIFY US THAT CORROSIVE SOILS ARE PRESENT, AND THEN WE WOULD REQUIRE SOME TYPE OF CATHODIC PROTECTION TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THAT PUBLIC ASSET. THERE ARE ALSO ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS PLACED ON LIFT STATION DESIGN TO ENHANCE RESPONSE DURING EMERGENCY PROVISIONS, AS WELL AS STATION MONITORING. UNDER THE STREETLIGHT DESIGN SECTION, WE ADDED A NEW SIGNAL POLE AS WELL AS ADDING SOME CLARITY ON THE PROCESS BY WHICH LIGHTING CAN EITHER BE REQUESTED TO BE ADDED OR REMOVED FROM A STREET, AND A NEW SECTION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED UNDER THIS UPDATE WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS, AND THIS IS KIND OF A CONSOLIDATION OF EXISTING CODE AND REQUIREMENTS ACROSS CHECKLISTS AND OTHER CITY STAFF THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER AND MORE DIGESTIBLE FOR APPLICANTS AND DEVELOPERS TO UNDERSTAND HOW THESE AREAS ARE TO BE IDENTIFIED, ASSESSED AND HOW TO DESIGN FOR THEM. AND WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. COUNCILMEMBER. JESTER. >> WELL, THANK YOU. I MEAN, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP UP TO DATE WITH WHAT THE BEST PRACTICES THAT WE KNOW OF THAT MAKE SENSE FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR THE BUILDING LONGEVITY. I WAS ACTUALLY JUST CURIOUS AS FAR AS THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY UPDATE, WAS THERE MUCH DISCUSSION? WAS THERE MUCH FEEDBACK THERE, OR WAS IT JUST KIND OF SENT OUT AND CRICKETS, OR WHAT IS THE 
          INVOLVEMENT? >> WE DIDN'T GET A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF COMMENTS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. WE DID GET A LARGE AMOUNT OF FEEDBACK FROM OTHER ENGINEERS AND EVEN FROM FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT WERE REALLY GREAT COMMENTS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO INCORPORATE. I ACTUALLY WASN'T ABLE TO BE PRESENT FOR THE DEVELOPER TOWN HALL. THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS CITY ENGINEER THAT GAVE THAT PRESENTATION, BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS SOME GOOD 
          DISCUSSION DURING THAT, THAT OUTREACH. >> WELL, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THESE UPDATES, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY OFTEN, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'M JUST VERY IMPRESSED WITH ALL OF THE PUBLIC OUTREACH IN THIS PUBLIC OUTREACH PLAN TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WHAT WE'RE DOING THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING THE WORLD, BUT ASKING WHAT IS REASONABLE AND BEST FOR 
          OUR CITY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. YOU. >> COUNCILMEMBER BECK. 
          >> THANK YOU. MIKE, I REALLY APPRECIATE WE GETTING THESE UPDATES. IT'S GRATIFYING TO SEE THEM COME THROUGH PNC AND DCR AND FINALLY HIT THE STREETS. IT'S A LONG TIME COMING THE TO THAT POINT. I KNOW THAT DETENTION BASINS AND WHATNOT ARE A HOT TOPIC IN SOME OF THOSE COMMUNITIES. I AS I UNDERSTAND, WE'RE WE'RE SEEKING TO MAYBE STRETCH OUT THE 
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LIFESPAN OF OF SOME OF THESE UPDATES A LITTLE BIT TO PROVIDE SOME STABILITY. CAN YOU GIVE SOME COLOR TO WHERE DEVELOPMENTS AND CHANGES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW, WHAT THE TIME FRAMES WILL BE LIKELY BEFORE THEY HIT THE DESIGN CRITERIA MANUAL FOR ANY THAT 
          HAPPEN TO BE APPROVED? >> WELL, OUR GOAL IS TO WAIT BETWEEN 3 AND 5 YEARS FOR THE NEXT MAJOR UPDATE TO THE MANUAL. A LARGE UPDATE ACROSS ALL OF THE SECTIONS, BUT WE CAN HAVE A MORE TARGETED UPDATES AS NEEDED. IF THERE WAS SOMETHING SPECIFIC. IF SOMETHING CAME OUT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS REGARDING DETENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ASKED TO EXPLORE AMENDING THAT 
          CRITERIA THAT THAT THERE'S CERTAINLY OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT. >> NO. THAT'S PERFECT. THAT'S EXACTLY MY QUESTION. THERE'S SORT OF, YOU KNOW, REASSURING THE PUBLIC THAT SHOULD WE DISCOVER SOMETHING THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO ADDRESS, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT LOCKING OURSELVES INTO KEEPING THE CURRENT STATUS QUO FOR 3 TO 5 YEARS. WE CAN UPDATE UPDATE THAT AS NEEDED. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANKS, MIKE. >> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS? YOU CAN COME DOWN WITHOUT A CARD AND FILL OUT A CARD AFTER YOU SPEAK. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          COUNCILMEMBER BYRD. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> COUNCILMEMBER JESTER. 
          >> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE WILL VOTE ON THE 
          SCREEN. >> I CAN'T LEAVE YET. HE'S GONNA HAVE TO GET BACK UP. 
          >> MOTION PASSES, SIX ZERO, AND WE GOT A LITTLE PRESENTATION. >> FOR YOUR FIRST PRESENTATION. 
          >> THE AWKWARD ELEPHANT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> PICTURE OF. CONGRATULATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. YEAH. REALLY SHORT SNOUT. >> NEXT ON THE AGENDA WE HAVE 
          [B. Hold a Public Hearing and consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton supporting Palladium Fallmeadow Denton, Ltd.’s 9% housing tax credit application to the Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs for the proposed new construction of the Palladium Denton West Living apartments to provide affordable rental housing; committing to provide fee reductions in an amount of $500.00; and providing an effective date.]
ITEM B ID 252371. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON SUPPORTING PALLADIUM FALL MEADOW DENTON LCDS 9% HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATION TO THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS FOR THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE PALLADIUM. DENTON WEST LIVING APARTMENTS TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING. COMMITTING TO PROVIDE FEE REDUCTIONS IN THE AMOUNT OF $500 AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE 
          DATE. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL JESSE KENT, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. THIS IS OUR FIRST LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICANT FOR THE 9% CYCLE. AFTER OUR NOVEMBER WORK SESSION ON THE REWORKED POLICY. I'M EXCITED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT. JUST AS A LITTLE BIT OF A REFRESHER WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING TAX CREDITS, THAT IS MONEY ISSUED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO SUBSIDIZE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. THOSE ARE SOMETIMES PAIRED WITH TAX EXEMPTIONS, WHICH DO IMPACT OUR LOCAL TAXING JURISDICTIONS AND DO TAKE MONEY OFF THE TAX ROLLS. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS NOT A TAX EXEMPT PROPERTY, SO THEY WILL BE PAYING FULL PROPERTY TAXES. THEY ARE ONLY SEEKING SUPPORT FOR A HOUSING TAX CREDIT, WHICH IS AGAIN, THOSE FEDERAL DOLLARS COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY. THE CYCLE FOR THESE THESE PROJECTS IN DECEMBER, THE THC RELEASES THEIR QUALIFIED QUALIFIED ALLOCATION PLAN. EXCUSE ME WHICH KIND OF THE THE GUIDELINES FOR THE COMPETITION DEVELOPERS ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THEIR APPLICATION TO US BY JANUARY 6TH, WHEREIN STAFF DOES A QUICK ANALYSIS. THEY CONDUCT A PUBLIC MEETING TO GET NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT. AND THEN BY FEBRUARY 27TH, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THEIR COMPLETED PACKET TO TDCA FOR THE 9% COMPETITION. WE DID HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING FOR THIS PROJECT. UNFORTUNATELY, WE WERE SOMEWHAT IMPACTED BY THE STORM. IT WAS MAYOR PRO TEM AND I AND OUR FRIENDS HERE, PLUS ONE COMMUNITY MEMBER. WE DID OUR BEST TO TRY AND GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT, BUT ABOUT THE THE COMMUNITY MEETING. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET A TON OF ATTENDANCE. WE HAD TO RESCHEDULE TWICE, AND ON THE THIRD ONE, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD AT LEAST HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO PARTICIPATE AND DID IT VIRTUALLY. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS IN THE VICINITY OF PALMETTO STREET IN GARDEN VIEW STREET, AS YOU CAN 
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SEE HERE ON THE MAP, IT'S ABOUT FOUR ACRES. THE CURRENT ZONING IS R7, AND I MISSPOKE A LITTLE BIT AGO. SO R7 IS NOT TOTAL TOTAL MULTIFAMILY, BUT IT IS TOWNHOMES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THEY DID RECEIVE AN SCP FROM PLANNING AND ZONING THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR. AND SO OUR OUR SET TO GO WITH THAT. AND AGAIN THE PROPERTY PROPERTY WILL BE FULLY TAXED. THIS IS A A SLIDE THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IN THESE PRESENTATIONS. IT'S THE UNIT MIX IS 120 UNIT DEVELOPMENT. IT'S GOING TO HAVE 40 OR 34% OF THEIR UNITS AT THAT AFFORDABLE FOR DENTON RATE THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT DURING OUR WORK SESSION. AGAIN, AFFORDABLE FOR DENTON MEANS THOSE UNITS THAT ARE MOST LIKELY TO PROVIDE AN ACTUAL RENT REDUCTION FOR RESIDENTS. AND THOSE ARE THOSE VERY LOW INCOME UNITS AND EXTREMELY LOW INCOME UNITS. A NEW GRAPH YOU SEE HERE AND YOU SAW IN YOUR BACKUP IS WE WANTED TO PROVIDE MORE TRANSPARENCY INTO WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL FINANCIAL IMPACTS OF THE DECISIONS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT TAX EXEMPT PROPERTIES AND PROPERTIES THAT ARE APPLYING FOR THESE THINGS AND IMPLEMENTING COUNCIL SCORING MATRIX FOR CONSIDERATION, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT SCORED 20 POINTS ON JUST AFFORDABILITY. 
          WHEN YOU FACTORED IN THE THE PROGRAM PARTICIPATION FOR HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS. SO THOSE THOSE INCOME REQUIREMENTS AND THEN SCORING WITHIN AN OPPORTUNITY ZONE WITH THE LOCATION BASED. THEY SCORED 35 POINTS ON THE TOTAL ON COUNCIL'S MATRIX. THEY ONLY NEEDED TEN BECAUSE THEY WERE PROPERTY TAXED PROPERTY. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ESTIMATED KIND OF ANNUAL BENEFIT TO RESIDENTS OF ABOUT $60,000 A YEAR. AND WITH THAT, WE'LL ASK 
          FOR YES, NO OR WAIT FROM COUNCIL. >> COUNCIL MEMBER BECK. 
          >> THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM JESSE, I KNOW THAT THE ICE STORM CAUSED A LITTLE BIT OF A KERFUFFLE WITH THE THE STANDARD COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, BUT AM I CORRECT THAT ESSENTIALLY MY MINUS THE NEW SCORING RUBRIC, THIS IS THE SAME APPLICATION THAT THEY MADE LAST YEAR, AND IN THAT APPLICATION, THEY HAD A NUMBER OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES. 
          >> YES, SIR. SO THIS PROJECT ALSO RECEIVED A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL LAST YEAR, WHICH THEY CONDUCTED A PUBLIC MEETING AT NORTH BRANCH. THEY ALSO HAD THEIR SUP THAT WENT THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING, WHICH ALSO HAD THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS. WE MADE SURE THAT FOLKS KNEW WHERE THEY COULD FIND INFORMATION. SO WE WE TRIED TO BE, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD WITHIN THE LAST YEAR CONDUCTED COMMUNITY MEETINGS, HAD DONE NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT. WE DID THE BEST WE COULD TO TRY AND GET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE NOW. 
          >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT, JESSE. >> YES, SIR. 
          >> COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER. >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY A QUICK WORD OF APPRECIATION. YOU AND AND THE TEAM YOU WORK WITH HAVE MADE THIS MUCH EASIER TO DIGEST AND DETERMINE WHETHER THIS IS REAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE CITY OF DENTON AND THE SCORING MATRIX, THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATION ANALYSIS VERY MUCH HELPS US DETERMINE WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE CITY. THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS THAT COME INTO SAYING YES TO THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS, JUST BECAUSE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE IT PUTS INTO A SPACE, AND WHAT IT THEN ADDS TO OUR SCHOOLS AND STREETS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE IS JUST IT'S, YOU KNOW, BY RIGHT WITH THE SUPP BY PNC AND AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING TIME TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS EARLIER TODAY TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BENEFIT OUR CITY, ESPECIALLY IN THE INCOME LEVELS THAT THAT NEED GOOD HOUSING. SO THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY 
          THAT THANK YOU. >> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS ITEM. IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK. 
          YOU CAN COME DOWN WITHOUT A CARD DURING A PUBLIC HEARING, SEEING NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS. 
          I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL MEMBER BECK. >> YES, I WANT TO LEAD OFF SAYING THAT OUR THE THE DEVELOPMENT HERE. PALLADIUM HAS GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND. THAT'S WHY I ASKED MY QUESTIONS ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. THEY'VE REALLY WORKED HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THEY'RE SETTING A BETTER STANDARD FOR THE WAY THAT CAN BE DONE IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND THEY'RE SITTING A NICE STANDARD FOR A GOOD MIX OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AS COUNCILOR JESTER SAID. SO I HAPPILY MOVE APPROVAL. 
          >> COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE. >> VERY HAPPY TO SECOND THIS. AND MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR IF YOU DON'T MIND. YES, SIR, I CANNOT REMEMBER LAST YEAR IF PALLADIUM GAVE US 
          A PRESENTATION OR HAVE THEY PREPARED ONE TONIGHT? >> NO, NO, NO. 
          >> DID WE GET ONE IF WE GOT ONE LAST YEAR? I'M SORRY, I CAN'T. >> REMEMBER. 
          >> I THINK SO, YEAH. >> WE GOT THE PRESENTATION FROM THE DEVIL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          >> THANK YOU. AND AS SOMEBODY THAT ATTENDED, I PROBABLY 2 OR 3 OF THE PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS, 
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I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORT THAT YOU GUYS PUT INTO IT. AND NOT JUST THE PUBLIC INPUT, BUT MAKING THE MATH WORK TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE FOR DENTON UNITS AND WITHOUT ANY PROPERTY, WITHOUT A HIT TO THE CITY. AND SO I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL VOTE ON THE SCREEN. 
          >> I DIDN'T CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING TODAY, DID I? OKAY. >> AND THAT PASSES SIX ZERO. 
          [C. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding a change in the zoning district and use classification from Rural Residential (RR) District and Residential 2 (R2) District to Mixed-Use Regional (MR) District on approximately 16.524 acres of land generally located north of West University Drive (US 380), approximately 2,800 feet west of Golden Hoof Drive; adopting an amendment to the City’s Official Zoning Map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted (5-1) to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Riggs and second by Commissioner McDuff. (Z25-0014b, Hickory Grove Multifamily, Mia Hines)]
NEXT ON THE ITEM WE HAVE ITEM CZ25-0014B. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS REGARDING A CHANGE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT AND USE CLASSIFICATION FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND RESIDENTIAL R-2 DISTRICT TO MIXED RACE, MIXED USE REGIONAL MISTER DISTRICT ON APPROXIMATELY 16.24 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF WEST UNIVERSITY DRIVE. US 380 APPROXIMATELY 2800FT WEST OF GOLDEN DRIVE. ADOPTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY'S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP, PROVIDING FOR PENALTY IN THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF $2,000 OF VIOLATIONS THEREOF, PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION VOTED 
          FIVE ONE ON THIS ITEM. >> EVENING MAYOR PRO TEM AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL MIA HINES, SENIOR PLANNER AND THIS ITEM IS STATED IN THE CAPTION, IS A REZONING FOR HICKORY GROVE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT. AS STATED IN THE CAPTION, THE PROPERTY IS JUST ABOUT 16.5 ACRES. THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY IS MIXED USE REGIONAL THAT WAS RECENTLY CHANGED BY THIS BODY AND THE LAST SPECIAL CALLED MEETING. THE EXISTING ZONING HERE IS RURAL RESIDENTIAL WITH A SLIVER OF R-2 AT THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY. AND THE PROPOSED ZONING HERE IS MIXED USE REGIONAL. THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO IS TO ENTITLE THE PROPERTY WITH THE PROPER ZONING IN ORDER FOR THE PROPERTY TO DEVELOP ACCORDING TO MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, AS DESCRIBED IN THE HICKORY GROVE LEGENDS RANCH MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SO HERE IS THE MAP TO THE. ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS THE EXISTING ZONING MAP SHOWING THAT RR AND THAT R2 AGAIN SLIVER ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THE PROPOSED REQUEST WOULD CHANGE THE PROPERTY ZONING TO MIXED USE. 
          REGIONAL. THE KEY OR MAIN DIFFERENCES IN THIS IS THAT RURAL RESIDENTIAL IS LARGELY THAT LARGE LOT DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE TYPICALLY THINK OF FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES, WHEREAS MIXED USE REGIONAL DOES ALLOW FOR A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL WITH RANGE, WITH REGIONAL SCALE. WE DID PUT THIS REQUEST UP AGAINST THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL AND FOUND THAT ULTIMATELY THE PROPOSAL IS INTENDED TO ALLOW FOR THE PROPERTY TO DEVELOP ACCORDING TO THE PRIOR APPROVALS, AS I MENTIONED A LITTLE EARLIER, AND WE'LL GO INTO HERE IN A SECOND THAT HICKORY GROVE LEGENDS RANCH MUD. ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPOSAL IS INTENDED TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY'S ETJ AND SOME ANTICIPATED DEVELOPMENTS COMING INTO THE CITY AS WELL. JUST EAST OF THIS PROPERTY. ADDITIONALLY, THIS IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT THAT AGAIN WAS RECENTLY APPROVED BY THIS BODY IN JANUARY, AND THIS IS IN SUPPORT OF SOME REGIONAL GROWTH TRENDS THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT REFLECT THE NEED TO ALLOW FOR REGIONAL SCALE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY AND WITHIN THIS AREA. SO AS FAR AS THOSE PRIOR APPROVALS, PRIOR APPROVALS, I'VE GIVEN THIS HISTORY A LITTLE BIT OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS WITH YOU ALL THE DIDN'T PLAN 2030 IDENTIFIED THIS AREA AS RURAL AREAS, BUT WE RECENTLY TOOK A LOOK AT THAT IN JANUARY AND CHANGE THAT FROM. RURAL TO MIXED USE OR REGIONAL MIXED USE. THAT WAS A CONSISTENT WITH THE HICKORY GROVE MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT ANTICIPATED THE CONSTRUCTION OF APPROXIMATELY 625 MULTIFAMILY UNITS WITHIN THIS PROPERTY, AND ON THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST OF IT, THAT IS, TO REMAIN IN THE CITY'S ETJ. WITH REGARD TO THE REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THIS AREA, AND SORT OF WHY WE SEE THE NEED TO SUPPORT OR ALLOW FOR USES GREATER THAN AGRICULTURE AND RURAL RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA. 
          THE IMAGE ON YOUR LEFT IS AN AERIAL FROM 2021 THAT SHOWS NOT MUCH DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY, AND THE THE AERIAL ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS FROM 2025. THAT SHOWS SOME SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. SPECIFICALLY, WE HAVE THE SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS AND DEVELOPMENTS JUST TO THE NORTH AND WEST OF THIS PROPERTY, DEVELOPING WITHIN THE CITY'S ETJ, BUT AS A PART OF MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS, WE HAVE THE INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT'S JUST WEST OF I-35 AND SOUTH OF WEST UNIVERSITY DRIVE, BRINGING MORE JOBS AND THINGS TO THIS AREA. 
          AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE RAZOR RANCH RETAIL AREA JUST EAST OF I-35. SO AS WE WE 
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SEE THAT THE EAST OR THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN IS REALLY GROWING AND NEEDS TO TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THAT ADDITIONAL GROWTH AND KEEPING WITH WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE CDC AND STATE LAW. WE DID NOTICE FOR THIS PROPERTY AND HAD NOT, UP TO THIS POINT, RECEIVED ANY COMMUNICATION AND OBJECTION OR SUPPORT FOR THIS PROPERTY OR FOR THIS PROJECT. AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID HEAR THIS PROPERTY OR THIS PROJECT IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. FIVE ONE OF THIS REQUEST WITH THAT STAFF IS ALSO RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS REZONING REQUEST. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I'M HAPPY TO 
          STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME. >> COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          >> THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND SOME OF THE PRIOR DISCUSSIONS. YOU KNOW, WE WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS AND MAPS ABOUT THE LOMAS AND THE FLOODPLAINS. DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THAT IN YOUR 
          SLIDE DECK THIS TIME? >> NOT THE FLOODPLAIN? NO, SIR. WHAT IS WHAT'S THE QUESTION? I 
          MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP. >> YEAH. SO I'LL JUST ASK YOU VERBALLY, AS I RECALL FROM THE PRIOR DISCUSSION AND LOOKING AT THAT, THE VAST BULK OF THIS AREA IS, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE FLOODPLAIN AND THE LAMAR AND I UNDERSTAND FROM THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION THAT, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT WOULD WOULD SEEK TO DO IN ENGINEERING CHANGES TO THE REGION. BUT BUT HAS HAS ANY OF THOSE DETAILS OR ANY OF THAT PLAN CHANGED SINCE, SINCE THE 
          LAST TIME WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE FLUME OR ANYTHING? >> NO, SIR. SO YEAH, THE APPLICANT STATED LAST TIME AND CITY STAFF IS STILL IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS, AT LEAST FOR THE MULTIFAMILY PORTION ON THE TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY AND THE ETJ. AND AS THE APPLICANT STATED LAST TIME, THE DRAINAGE IN THIS AREA WAS REALLY DRAINED OR IT WAS REALLY PLANNED FOR REGIONALLY ACCOUNTING FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST AND THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE TO THE NORTH. SO ALL OF THAT IS GOING INTO EFFECT AND ALL THAT WORK IS STILL STILL GOING FORWARD. OKAY. 
          >> YOU KNOW, JUST CONFIRMING THERE'S NO CHANGES SINCE THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED IT. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. >> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK? SEEING NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS, I'LL CLOSE THE 
          PUBLIC HEARING. CAN I GET A MOTION? COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER. >> I MOVE APPROVAL AS PROPOSED. 
          >> COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD. >> I'LL SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION. WE'VE GOT 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BECK. >> THANK YOU. KNOW, THE REASON I ASK ME THOSE THOSE QUESTIONS IS THE DETAILS HADN'T CHANGED. I COULDN'T I DIDN'T WANT TO SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT OF THESE SORT OF MORE INTENSIVE USES IN THE FLOODPLAIN FOR THE REASONS I DISCUSSED LAST TIME. I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR IT. I JUST WANT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH MY VOTE FROM LAST TIME THAT I DON'T. I THINK THIS AND IT'S NOT THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT. IT IS THIS PIECE UP AGAINST THE CREEK IS TOO HIGH IN INTENSITY DEVELOPMENT TO TAKE THE RISK FOR FOR DEVELOPMENT NEARBY. SO 
          I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL VOTE ON THE SCREEN. 
          [A. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton renaming the Civic Center (321 E. McKinney St.) to the Quakertown Civic Center; and providing an effective date. The Parks, Recreation and Beautification Board voted to recommend adoption (5-0).]
THAT PASSES FIVE ONE. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. THE FIRST ITEM IS ITEM A ID 252265. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON RENAMING THE CIVIC CENTER 321 EAST MCKINNEY STREET TO THE QUAKERTOWN CIVIC CENTER AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD VOTED FIVE ZERO TO ADOPT THIS. 
          >> THANK YOU. AND YOU SAID THIS WAS YOU JUST SAYING I WANT YOU TO SUPPORTERS ONE ONE IN SUPPORT BUT DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL. I'M ALLISON WING, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. BACKGROUND HERE. THIS NAMING POLICY HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE ADOPTION BY COUNCIL IN 2020 FOR THE NAMING OF CITY BUILDINGS, PROPERTY AND LAND. NAMING APPLICATIONS CAN COME FROM ANY INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP ONCE RECEIVED BY THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. THESE ITEMS HAVE BEEN ROUTED TO PARKS AND RECREATION, WHO TAKES THEM TO PARK BOARD ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR, DEPENDING ON THE VOLUME OF REQUESTS. IN JANUARY, THIS COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTION THAT THE PARKS, RECREATION AND BEAUTIFICATION BOARD SHOULD CONTINUE TO SERVE AS THE COMMITTEE THAT REVIEWS NAMING REQUESTS WHEN THEY ARE RECEIVED. WE HAVE TWO REQUESTS TO REVIEW TODAY. THE FIRST APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD, AND THE PROPOSED NAME FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE DENTON CIVIC CENTER IS QUAKERTOWN CIVIC CENTER. THE PARKS, RECREATION AND BEAUTIFICATION BOARD UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVING THIS NAMING REQUEST. THE NEXT APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED BY DOCTOR RUDY RODRIGUEZ, FORMER DENTON ISD TRUSTEE AND PROFESSOR AT TWU AND UNT, AND THE PROPOSED NAME FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE CURRENTLY UNNAMED DAY LABOR SITE IS THE POPO GONZALEZ DAY LABOR SITE. THE PARKS, RECREATION AND BEAUTIFICATION 
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BOARD UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVING THIS NAMING REQUEST. WHEN WE BROUGHT THESE ITEMS TO COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER 2025, DIRECTION WAS GIVEN THAT STAFF SOLICIT ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INPUT FOR THE NAMING APPLICATIONS. SINCE THAT DATE, STAFF HAVE CREATED A DISCUSSED DENTON PAGE, EMAILED ALL KNOWN NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, POSTED A CITYWIDE NEXTDOOR POST, A POST TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION FACEBOOK PAGE, A NEWSFLASH PRESS RELEASE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. A DRC ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN, AND WE HELD AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INPUT MEETING ON DECEMBER 15TH. THE RESULTING ENGAGEMENT, TALLIED TOGETHER FOR THE CIVIC CENTER, IS 34 IN FAVOR AND 13 OPPOSED, AND FOR THE DAY LABOR SITE, THERE WERE 34 IN FAVOR AND 11 OPPOSED. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVING THE NAMING APPLICATION FOR THE QUAKERTOWN CIVIC CENTER, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVING THE APPLICATION FOR THE POPO GONZALEZ DAY LABOR SITE. 
          ADDITIONALLY, STAFF IS UPDATING THE NAMING POLICY TO REFLECT COUNCIL'S DIRECTION FOR PARK BOARD TO SERVE AS THE NAMING COMMITTEE. THAT POLICY CHANGE WILL BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION IN THE COMING MONTHS. ANY QUESTIONS? 
          >> THANK YOU. ALLISON, I DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE DOING THESE TOGETHER, SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ OFF THE SECOND ITEM AND THEN WE'LL DO SEPARATE VOTES AFTERWARDS. SO ITEM B ID 252266. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON NAMING THE DAY LABOR SITE. 301 FORT WORTH DRIVE TO THE POPO GONZALEZ DAY LABOR SITE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. WE'VE GOT COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE. 
          >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THIS QUESTION ISN'T FOR STAFF. THIS IS BASED ON OUR WORK SESSION CONVERSATION. MADAM CHAIR. POSSIBLE. I REMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER BYRD MENTIONED THAT SHE CHANGED THE NAME COMMUNITY TO CIVIC AND AND AN INTEREST TO TO BE CONCILIATORY. 
          CAN YOU JUST KIND OF TALK MORE ABOUT THAT? HOW WE GOT TO CIVIC Y INSTEAD OF COMMUNITY? IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY I VOTE. I'M JUST CURIOUS. I REMEMBER YOU SAID IT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER YOU SAYING Y A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. THANK YOU, MANAGER. 
          >> I, I INITIALLY PUT IT IN AS QUAKERTOWN COMMUNITY CENTER BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY REGARDING A COMMUNITY CENTER IN THAT AREA ANYWAY. AND THAT WOULD BE TO CONNECT AND REFLECT BACK TO THAT TIME FRAME. THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD ASKED ME TO CONSIDER, FOR CONCEALED CARRY PURPOSES TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO AND ACCEPT THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE CALLED QUAKERTOWN CIVIC CENTER. SO WHAT MY PREMISE WAS TO GET THE NAME QUAKERTOWN ON IT IN ANY IN ANY CASE, TO REFLECT THE AMENDING OF THE HISTORY OF SOME HISTORY FOR THAT AREA. ANYWAY. 
          SO IT'S NOT VERY COMPLICATED. IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF BEING ABLE TO GET IT DONE. SO HERE WE 
          ARE. >> APPRECIATE THAT. WE DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. THE FIRST UP WE HAVE MISS FRANCES PUNCH. STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          >> I'M FRANCES PUNCH. GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL. I HAVE HAD THE HONOR TO SERVE AS THE CHAIR FOR THE DENTON PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD FOR TEN YEARS. IN THAT TEN YEARS, I'VE HAD THE HONOR TO OVERSEE THE UPDATING OF THE OF THE NAMING POLICY. I SERVED AS THE ADVISORY GROUP AS PART OF THE ADVISORY GROUP FOR DESIGN DOWNTOWN DENTON, WHICH INCLUDED QUAKERTOWN PARK AND THE RENAMING OF QUAKERTOWN PARK. I STAND HERE TODAY IN SUPPORT OF RENAMING THE CIVIC CENTER TO QUAKERTOWN CIVIC CENTER. THE RENAMING APPLICATION, SUBMITTED ON BEHALF OF THE DESCENDANTS. 
          PASSED BY THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD. IT MEMORIALIZES QUAKER TOWN'S HISTORY AND LASTLY RENAMING THE CIVIC CENTER TO QUAKERTOWN CIVIC CENTER WILL PROVIDE THE HISTORICAL RECOGNITION TO PRESERVE THE LEGACY THAT QUAKERTOWN DESERVES. THANK YOU 
          FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT SPEAKER IS LINDA 
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ALEXANDER PEGRUM. STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          >> I'M LINDA ALEXANDER PEGRUM, AND I. I'M A LONGTIME DENTON RESIDENT. I ATTENDED, FRED MOORE, ATTENDED STRICKLAND MIDDLE SCHOOL, DIDN'T EVEN STAY FOR UNT. AND BUT DESPITE MY MY MANY ROOTS HERE, I NEVER HEARD ABOUT QUAKERTOWN. I'D NEVER HEARD ABOUT THE RICH HISTORY OF QUAKERTOWN. IT WAS A HIDDEN CHAPTER IN OUR CITY'S HISTORY. AND I'M A DESCENDANT OF QUAKERTOWN. JOHN ROBERT LOGAN HAD A BUSINESS IN QUAKERTOWN, AND I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS UNTIL WE BROUGHT IT FORWARD IN RECENT YEARS. SO I FIND IT REMARKABLE THAT WE MISSED OUT ON THE SIGNIFICANT PART OF MY HERITAGE GROWING UP. BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF RENAMING THE DENTON CIVIC CENTER TO QUAKERTOWN CIVIC CENTER. YEARS AGO, I ATTENDED THE PROM AT THE CIVIC CENTER, MANY OTHER ACTIVITIES, AND WE JUST CALLED IT THE CIVIC CENTER. SO I DON'T THINK I THINK THAT IT WILL DO A GREAT POSITIVE CHANGE FOR OUR COMMUNITY BY RENAMING IT QUAKERTOWN CIVIC CENTER. IT IT BRINGS IT TO LIGHT. IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY ANYTHING FROM THE COMMUNITY. IT HELPS FOSTER, I THINK, GREAT UNITY AND UNDERSTANDING AMONG OUR CITIZENS. AND, WELL, IT DOESN'T TAKE ANYTHING. I THINK IT BRINGS SUCCESS. AND YOU DON'T ALWAYS SEE THAT UNTIL THE CHANGE ACTUALLY HAPPENS. THERE ARE MANY BUILDINGS AND MONUMENTS AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE IMPACTED US. I'M JUST PROUD THAT I LIVE IN A CITY THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER A POSITIVE CHANGE. LIKE THIS. 
          THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THEN WE DO HAVE ONE COMMENT CARD IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM. ALL RIGHT. SO CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THIS ITEM A TO CHANGE THE CIVIC 
          CENTER NAME. CAN I GET A MOTION? COUNCIL MEMBER. MAGEE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM, WILL THERE BE 
          AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE THE NEXT VOTE? YES. THANK YOU. >> I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THIS MOTION. UNLESS I WOULD BE OUT OF ORDER. AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO SO. SINCE YOU STARTED THIS. 
          >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION. >> OKAY, MADAM. MADAM CHAIR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M GOING TO 
          WITHDRAW MY MOTION AND ALLOW MISS BYRD TO. TO DO SO. >> COUNCIL MEMBER BERT. 
          >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> OH, I'VE GOT TO TURN IT ON. MY MIC ON? YES. MOVE FOR 
          APPROVAL. >> I'LL LET YOU PRESS THAT BUTTON SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHO 
          OUR SECOND. >> CAN I REDO IT? OKAY, NOW YOU CAN SECOND. 
          >> DO YOU MIND? GO FOR IT. OKAY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MAGEE. >> THANK YOU. AND I'D LIKE TO SECOND, BECAUSE I REMEMBER COUNCILMAN BYRD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO BACK ON THE PARTNERSHIPS COMMITTEE WAS MYSELF, YOU AND COUNCIL MEMBER. DAVIS AND I REMEMBER RUSHING BACK FROM DENTON COUNTY DAYS, I BELIEVE IT WAS TO APPROVE THE FUNDING FOR THE QUAKERTOWN FILM AND HEARING FROM MR. KING AND MR. HOLLIS ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS. I SEE THIS AS A CONTINUATION OF THAT. SO WITH THAT, I AM VERY HAPPY TO SECOND YOUR MOTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR 
          LEADERSHIP IN THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE TODAY. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCIL MEMBER BACK. 
          >> THANK YOU. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE SOME OF THE WORDS WE JUST HEARD THAT THAT IT'S IT'S NICE TO BE IN A COMMUNITY THAT THAT FEELS, YOU KNOW, THAT RESPECT IS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ENGAGE IN AT ALL TIMES TO AWARENESS AND ACKNOWLEDGMENT IN A POSITIVE WAY THAT MOVES FORWARD. SO I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE 
          CHOOSING THIS PATH OF RESPECT. SO I APPRECIATE ALL OF US. >> AND I DO WANT TO SAY ONE FINAL THANK YOU TO STAFF. I KNOW WE BUMPED THIS BACK AT YOU ALL TO GET SOME FURTHER PUBLIC INPUT, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE HAVING THAT INPUT AS WE CONSIDER THIS ITEM. ANY FURTHER 
          DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT WE'LL MOTION ON THE BOARD. >> VOTE. 
          [B. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton naming the Day Labor Site (301 Fort Worth Dr.) to the Popo González Day Labor Site; and providing an effective date. The Parks, Recreation and Beautification Board voted to recommend adoption (5-0).]
          >> THAT PASSES SIX ZERO. SO NEXT WE WILL MAKE A MOTION ON B, THE POPO GONZALEZ SITE. COUNCIL 
          MEMBER JESTER. >> MAY I SPEAK FIRST? >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> THANK YOU. EMILIO GONZALEZ ISN'T HERE TONIGHT, BUT HE AND I WENT TO SCHOOL TOGETHER. AND 
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HE IS THE SON OF POPO GONZALEZ. AND HE SENT ME SOME WORDS THAT HE HAD PREPARED IF HE WAS ABLE TO BE HERE. AND I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL OF IT, BUT IF YOU WOULD PLEASE INDULGE ME. I'M GOING TO JUST READ A SELECT A FEW PARAGRAPHS TO TALK ABOUT WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE. HE STARTS WITH, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS EMILIO GONZALEZ AND PEOPLE KNOW ME BETTER BY MY JAPANESE NAME, POPO. SON, IF YOU DID NOT KNOW MY FATHER. POPO, I AM SORRY YOU MISSED OUT ON KNOWING AN INCREDIBLE HUMAN BEING. PLEASE KNOW MY FATHER WOULD NOT HAVE WANTED ANY RECOGNITION OR ACCOLADES OF ANY KIND. 
          EVERYTHING HE EVER DID, HE DID OUT OF HIS TRUE LOVE FOR PEOPLE AND BECAUSE IN HIS HEART, HE KNEW IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. MY MAN, MY MY, MY DAD WAS THE KIND OF MAN, MY MAN. MY DAD WAS THE KIND OF MAN HE'LL APPRECIATE THAT WHO SAW A NEED AND JUST TOOK ACTION. HE ALWAYS FELT A SENSE OF WORTH WAS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, AND THAT HAVING THE ABILITY TO WORK FOR A LIVING WAS THE BEST WAY TO EARN THAT SENSE OF WORTH. HE FELT A CENTRALIZED LOCATION WOULD BE THE BEST WAY FOR THOSE SEEKING WORK TO FIND IT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, MY FATHER FELT SO STRONGLY ABOUT THE NEED FOR THIS SITE. HE PUSHED FOR IT TO BE BUILT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIS BUSINESS AND HIS HOME. DID THIS DECREASE THE VALUE OF HIS PROPERTY? DID PUTTING THIS SITE HERE OF AN IMPACT ON HIS BUSINESS? IT DIDN'T MATTER TO HIM. THESE PEOPLE NEEDED IT AND IT WAS FOR THE GREATER GOOD. TRUE SELFISHNESS, A TRAIT THAT IS MISSING TODAY. NO, MY DAD WOULD SHARE THE STORIES OF THE MANY WORKERS HE ENCOUNTERED AND STRUGGLES. MANY OF THEM SUFFERED. MANY TIMES, PEOPLE WOULD HIRE THEM TO WORK ALL DAY AND NOT PAY THEM. DAD WOULD TAKE TIME OUT OF HIS DAY TO CONFRONT THOSE THAT DID THAT, AND TRY TO GET THEM TO PAY. HE WOULD ALSO TELL STORIES OF TRIUMPHS, WHERE SOME WOULD LAND JOBS THAT LASTED FOR YEARS AND HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENHANCE THE LIVES OF THEIR FAMILIES. 
          THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED FOR ANYONE WHO IS WILLING TO PUT IN AN HONEST DAY'S WORK SO THEY WOULD HAVE A CHANCE A CHANCE TO PAY RENT, A CHANCE TO BUY A MEAL, A CHANCE TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILY. A CHANCE JUST TO MAKE IT TO THE NEXT DAY. AND I'M GOING TO SKIP DOWN NOW, HE SAYS THE LAST PARAGRAPH AGAIN. TO BE HONEST, MY FATHER WOULD NOT HAVE CARED TO HAVE THIS PAVILION NAMED AFTER HIM. AND AS FOR ME AND MY FAMILY, WE DON'T NEED A REMINDER OF THE KIND MAN HE WAS. BUT FOR THE PEOPLE WHOSE LIVES WERE CHANGED BECAUSE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THEY DISCOVERED THERE, WELL, THEY MAY WANT TO HAVE A REMINDER TO HONOR THEIR BELOVED SENOR POPO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING ME 
          THAT TIME. AND THAT COMES FROM HIS HIS SON. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO. 
          >> MUCH FOR SHARING THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 
          FORGIVE ME BEFORE THE LAST ITEM FOR NOT ACKNOWLEDGING. THANK YOU, MISS ALEXANDER. MISS PUNCH AND I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE MISTER HILL. THANK YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR THE CONTRIBUTIONS 
          THAT YOU MADE TO THIS CITY, PARTICULARLY YOUR FATHER, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A 
          MOTION? COUNCILMEMBER JESTER. >> I MOVE APPROVAL AS PROPOSED. >> COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          >> OH, I'M SO SORRY. THERE'S ANOTHER SPEAKER OR. >> OH. 
          >> ANOTHER SPEAKER. >> HI. MY NAME IS EL AUTRY, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU READ. THAT REALLY ADDS VALIDITY TO WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. I KNOW POPO, I DON'T KNOW HIM, BUT LIKE, I KNOW HE'S A GREAT GUY BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT PRESCHOOL NAMED AFTER HIM, WHICH IS FABULOUS. BUT TO KNOW THAT HE WOULDN'T PROBABLY LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I JUST WANTED TO SAY MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL RECOGNIZE POPO IS SLANG FOR POLICE. AND IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A DAY LABOR SITE, NOT EVERYONE TAKES THE TIME TO LEARN SO MUCH ABOUT OUR CITY OR WHATEVER. IF THEY'RE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE TO WORK ALL THE TIME. SO I DON'T. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S RESPECTFUL TO OUR HISPANIC FOLKS WHO WOULD BE TRYING TO GET WORK AT A PLACE CALLED POPO AND THEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S POLICE. AND ALSO, FROM SEARCHING ONLINE, I SEE THAT POPO IS ALSO IN BABYTALK ENGLISH, SPANISH AND GERMAN, BUT OR BOTTOM. SO I THINK THESE ARE THINGS TO ALSO CONSIDER FOR OUR PEOPLE WHO WORK SO HARD IN OUR COMMUNITY. VIVA LA RAZA! 
          >> COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. >> AM I THE ONLY PERSON IN THE ROOM THAT KNEW POPO GONZALEZ? YEAH, OKAY. BEFORE HE BECAME A DEACON AT IMMACULATE CONCEPTION CHURCH, I KNEW HIM OWNING A BARBER SHOP ON THE JUST OFF OF THE NORTH TEXAS CAMPUS, AND ALL THE COOL GUYS GOT THEIR HAIRCUT AT POPO. I, THEY THEY LET ME COME IN THE BACK DOOR BECAUSE I WASN'T COOL. BUT BUT BUT POPO WAS A WAS A WAS A CHARACTER. AND I'M. AND I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT I KNEW HIM. THANK YOU. 
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          >> COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER. >> I MOVE APPROVAL AS PRESENTED. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> COUNCIL MEMBER BECK. >> YES I'M HAPPY TO TO TO SECOND THAT. WHEN DOCTOR RODRIGUEZ INTRODUCED ME TO THESE CONCEPTS SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND WE'VE BEEN CHATTING ABOUT IT AND, AND LEARNING THAT THAT TO THE POINT THAT COUNCILOR JESTER TALKED ABOUT IN EMILIO'S LETTER, THAT POPO WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE HIS PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER ON THE EMERGENCY SIGNS THERE AT THE DAY LABOR CENTER. SO WHEN YOU CALL THAT NUMBER, IT WAS POPO NUMBER. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT GOES TO TODAY, I HOPE. I HOPE IT'S NOT BOTHERING THE FAMILY AT THIS POINT, BUT THAT'S THAT'S JUST THE SORT OF RELATIONSHIP THAT THAT THEY HAD WITH THEIR COMMUNITY. AND IT'S IT'S MY ABSOLUTE PRIVILEGE TO SECOND THE MOTION. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SIX ZERO. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM C, ID 260008. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF 
          [C. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with RSVP Services, LLC, for comprehensive veterinary services for the Linda McNatt Animal Care and Adoption Center; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFP 8942 - awarded to RSVP Services, LLC, for one (1) year, with the option for four (4) additional one (1) year extensions, in the total five (5) year not-to-exceed amount of $9,000,000.00).]
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH RSVP SERVICES, LLC FOR COMPREHENSIVE VETERINARY SERVICES FOR THE ANIMAL CARE AND ADOPTION CENTER, PROVIDING THE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS THEREFOR AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE WITH ONE YEAR, WITH THE OPTION FOR FOUR ADDITIONAL ONE YEAR EXTENSIONS FOR A TOTAL OF FIVE YEARS NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $9 MILLION. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL NIKKI, DIRECTOR OF ANIMAL SERVICES. TODAY I'M PRESENTING THE PROPOSED CONTRACT WITH RSVP SERVICES TO PROVIDE COMPREHENSIVE VETERINARY SERVICES FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER. ANIMAL SERVICES PROVIDES ROUTINE IN-HOUSE CARE FOR ANIMALS IN THE SHELTER INTAKE, EXAMS, VACCINATIONS, DIAGNOSTICS, SPAY AND NEUTER SERVICES AND TREATMENTS. ANIMAL SERVICES UTILIZES CONTRACTED VET STAFF FOR THESE SERVICES, AND OUR CURRENT CONTRACT WITH RSVP IS SET TO EXPIRE IN MARCH. SO THE NEW CONTRACT CONTINUES. 
          VETERINARY AND CERTIFIED VET TECH SUPPORT TO PERFORM THESE SERVICES. IT ALSO INCLUDES OFFSITE, URGENT AND EMERGENCY CARE SERVICES. WHEN SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT OR AFTER HOURS SERVICES ARE REQUIRED AND THE NEW CONTRACT ADDRESSES SCOPE OF WORK AND PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS IDENTIFIED BY THE 2025 AUDIT. COST PROJECTIONS ARE BASED ON THE INTAKE TRENDS, MEDICAL NEEDS AND PRICE INCREASES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, AND THE FIVE YEAR NOT TO EXCEED TOTAL IS $9 MILLION. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A ONE YEAR CONTRACT WITH FOR 
          OPTIONAL RENEWALS, AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. NIKKI. COUNCIL 
          MEMBER HOLLAND. >> I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. NIKKI. I HAVE SOME TRIVIA FOR 
          YOU THOUGH. >> OKAY. >> WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, THE WE CALLED IT THE DOG POUND BACK THEN. ISN'T THAT AWFUL? THE DOG POUND? GEE. 
          >> DON'T SAY THAT TOO LOUDLY. >> YEAH, I KNOW IT'S IT'S DISGUSTING TO EVEN THINK, BUT THE THE THE LACK OF SHELTER FOR ANIMALS WAS WHERE THE CIVIC CENTER IS TODAY. RIGHT THERE. 
          RIGHT. I MEAN, AND IT AND IT WASN'T A VERY NICE PLACE. SO I AM I AM REAL, REAL PLEASED THAT THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN TO WHERE WE'VE, WHERE WE ARE NOW WITH, WITH YOUR HELP AND AND I AND AFTER AFTER THE REST OF THE COMMENTS, I LOOK FORWARD TO TO MOTION TO APPROVE THIS. THANK 
          YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          >> THANK YOU NIKKI, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS. I KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS HAD, YOU KNOW, SOME CONCERNS AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO ADDRESS THOSE. AND SO, SO JUST JUST SO THAT I'M CLEAR THAT IN IN THE CONTRACT WITH RSVP, I'M FOLLOWING IN FROM THE ANSWER YOU GAVE ME EARLIER THAT THOSE, THOSE ALTERATIONS ARE BUILT INTO THIS NEW CONTRACT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES, SIR. WE DID UPDATE THE SCOPE. IT HADN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE THE LAST TIME THE CONTRACT WENT OUT FIVE YEARS PREVIOUSLY. SO WE DID UPDATE THE SCOPE TO INCLUDE THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN THE AUDIT. ONE, WE'VE IMPLEMENTED OUR OWN VERIFICATION SYSTEM OF THE INVOICES AND THEN ALSO THE INVENTORY TRACKING. WE'RE MANAGING THAT AS WELL. AND THEN ALSO THE PERFORMANCE METRIC 
          PERFORMANCE MEASURES AS WELL. >> AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WASN'T CLEAR FROM THE BACKUP MATERIALS. SO YOU COULD PROBABLY CLEAR THIS UP TONIGHT. DO YOU HAVE A FEEL RSVP IS IS 
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MORE THAN ONE VET. AND DO YOU HAVE A FEEL FOR SORT OF THE THE NUMBER OF VETERINARY DOCTOR EQUIVALENTS AND VET TECH EQUIVALENTS THAT ARE IN THE CONTRACT. SORT OF HOW MANY HOW MANY UNITS? VETERINARY MEDICINE ARE WE CONTRACTING OURSELVES FOR CONSIDERING IT'S A IT'S A SERVICE CONTRACT AND WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY TIED TO A PARTICULAR VET. 
          >> CORRECT. SO ONE DOCTOR VETERINARY MEDICINE TO PERFORM SURGERIES AND THAT ROTATES 
          THROUGH. AND THEN ALSO SEVEN VET TECHS. >> ONE AND SEVEN VET TECHS AND AND THE THE SALARIES IN THIS QUOTE ARE SORT OF COMMENSURATE WITH THE REGIONAL SALARIES FOR 
          A FOR A VET AND VET TECHS. >> THE RSVP, WHAT WE PAY RSVP IS LAID OUT IN WHAT THEY PROVIDED. SO WE PAY AN HOURLY RATE FOR THE VET. WE PAY AN HOURLY RATE FOR THE VET TECHS. 
          THEN WHAT? THEY PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES. THAT'S THAT'S BETWEEN THEM. 
          >> YEAH. NO, I APPRECIATE THE DISTINCTION. THANK YOU NIKKI. >> APPRECIATE IT. COUNCILMEMBER 
          VICKI. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER DOCTOR BECK'S QUESTIONS. WAS RSVP THE ONLY COMPANY THAT SUBMITTED FOR THE BID? 
          >> YES, SIR. >> WHY IS THAT? >> THERE IS NOT REALLY ANOTHER PLAYER IN THE INDUSTRY. MOST, I WOULD SAY ALL OF THE MUNICIPAL SHELTERS THAT WE HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH ALSO USE RSVP FOR THEIR VETERINARY SERVICES AS WELL. 
          >> OKAY. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE THE ONLY BID. SO WE'VE MADE WE'VE MADE EFFORTS TO HIRE OUR OWN 
          TECHS. >> I'M SORRY. >> HAVE WE MADE EFFORTS TO HIRE 
          OUR OWN TECHS? >> WE DO NOT HIRE OUR OWN TECHS. OUR TECHS ARE HIRED THROUGH RSVP AS AS WELL AS OUR DOCTOR OF VETERINARY MEDICINE. WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SAY IN WHO THEY SEND OVER. IF WE DON'T LIKE A PARTICULAR VET, OR WE HAVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES WITH A PARTICULAR VET OR VET TECH, WE TALK TO RSVP AND THEY DON'T COME BACK. 
          >> ANY REASON WHY WE HAVEN'T TRIED TO HIRE OUR OWN TECHS? NOT VETS, BUT TEXTS? 
          >> THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE EXPLORING WITH FINANCE RIGHT NOW AND HR IF WE CAN. IF WE CAN 
          BRING THEM IN-HOUSE, THAT WOULD BE PREFERABLE IN MY OPINION. >> BUT OKAY. YEAH. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> EITHER WAY, WE WOULD STILL NEED THE RSVP CONTRACT. 
          >> FOR VETERINARY SERVICES, CORRECT? >> OKAY. OR EVEN TO FILL IN AS 
          RELIEF AS NEEDED. >> THANK YOU NIKKI. >> ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER 
          HOLLAND. >> I LOOK I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS MOTION. LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY WHEN THERE'S NO DOGS OR CATS THERE BECAUSE THEY'VE ALL BEEN ADOPTED. 
          >> COUNCIL MEMBER BIRD. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SIX ZERO. 
          [6. CONCLUDING ITEMS]
THAT BRINGS US TO THE FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA. THAT'S ITEM SIX. CONCLUDING ITEMS. COUNCIL 
          MEMBER BECK. >> I WOULD BE REMISS IN OUR DISCUSSIONS OF OF QUAKER TOWN AND SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD GOING ON THAT THIS REMIND FOLKS THAT THIS IS BLACK HISTORY AWARENESS MONTH. SO I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WELL, WE HAD THE SHOWING OF QUAKERTOWN, THE DOCUMENTARY. WHEN THAT WHEN THAT COMES OUT, I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO SEE THAT. I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO TO BE AWARE OF THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF THESE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND TAKE TIME AND REALIZE THAT IT TAKES A VILLAGE. AND THIS IS 
          ONE COMPONENT OF OUR VILLAGE. SO THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE. 
          >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SINCE WE LAST MET, FEDERAL OFFICERS AND AND ANOTHER STATE TO OUR NORTH HAVE ONCE AGAIN KILLED SOMEONE. I JUST WANT TO CONTINUE TO CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE THOSE LOCALLY WHO ARE CHOOSING TO PEACEFULLY PROTEST. THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD AND LIFT THOSE UP. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO DO SO OBVIOUSLY IN A PEACEFUL WAY, AND I THANK ALL THE POLICE OFFICERS OF THE CITY OF DENTON FOR THE WAY THAT THEY DEAL WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS IN A COMPASSIONATE AND CARING WAY AND CARING WAY. AND I THANK YOU FOR LEADERSHIP WHO HAS PROVIDED GOOD INSTRUCTION AND TRAINING SO THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO TREAT US. SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN ONE DAY LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE. OUR POLICE OFFICERS STOP KILLING UNARMED PEOPLE BLACK, WHITE, MALE, FEMALE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          >> COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD. >> I WANT TO EXPRESS MY SINCEREST APPRECIATION FOR THE 
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ANCESTORS OF QUAKERTOWN. SOUTHEAST, DENTON NEIGHBORHOOD AND ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS GIVEN ME ANY KIND OF SUPPORT THAT HAS MADE ME FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I COULD DO. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET ON CITY COUNCIL, YOU BEGIN TO RECOGNIZE, WELL, THIS IS FOR ME BEGINNING TO RECOGNIZE A LEVEL OF AUTHORITY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING. AND SO WE WE MAKE DECISIONS ON A LOT OF THINGS. BUT THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHEN YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS VERY REAL AND CLOSE TO YOU, AND, AND YOU WANT TO LEAVE A LEGACY OF ACHIEVEMENT OF SOME SORT. THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT QUAKERTOWN HAS BEEN IN MY MIDST SINCE THE VERY FIRST TIME THAT I READ THAT BOOK, WHITE LILACS. I DID NOT KNOW I WAS GOING TO BE ON CITY COUNCIL WHEN I READ THAT BOOK, BUT IT STAYED WITH ME, AND I KNEW THAT THERE WAS A CONNECTIVE TISSUE THERE WITH THE SOUTHEAST DENTON FOLKS, BECAUSE AGAIN, LIKE I'VE SAID MANY A TIMES, EVEN THROUGH MY CAMPAIGN, IS THAT THEY EMBRACED ME AS A STUDENT, TEXAS WOMAN'S UNIVERSITY AND THEN BEING ABLE TO FIND MY CHURCH HOME AND THEN FINDING MY MY KIDS CHILDCARE, YOU KNOW, AS BABIES, IT WAS JUST ME KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M EMBRACED. AND THEN TO HAVE THEM TO RESOUNDLY VOTE FOR ME TO GET ME ON THIS COUNCIL. SO BEING ABLE TO PULL THIS OFF WITH THIS QUAKERTOWN DOCUMENTARY, RENAMING OF IT, LAYERING, HAVING A CHANCE TO GO TO TULSA AND LOOK AT WHAT THEY WERE DOING UP THERE, I KNEW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE ARE AN INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY. WE CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER HERE. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER AND WE DO OUR BEST. WE FUSS AT EACH OTHER, BUT THAT'S ONLY TO MAKE US BETTER. BUT THEN WE HAVE THESE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS CULTURAL AWARENESS. WE'RE A VERY DIVERSIFIED CITY, AND BECAUSE WE HAVE SO HAVE SUCH A RICH, RICH HISTORY WITH BOTH OF OUR UNIVERSITIES AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH, JUST HAVING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO TELL THE COMMUNITY THAT I HEAR YOU AND I SEE YOU AND I LOVE YOU AND I CARE ABOUT YOU BECAUSE YOU'VE GIVEN THAT TO ME. IT'S JUST A RANDOM, I'M JUST A RANDOM. AND SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS. I'M NOT DONE. I AM GOING TO BE RELEASING MYSELF FROM THE FROM THIS DAY IS HERE COMING UP WITH OTHER ADVENTURES, BUT I'M CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO COUNT MYSELF OUT OF THIS RACE OF QUAKERTOWN, SO I'LL ALWAYS BE AROUND IN THAT REGARD. SO THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU ALL THE PARKS AND RECREATION. I DID START MY TIME ON PARKS AND RECREATION SEVERAL YEARS AGO. IN THE 2008 2009 SEASON, SO THAT'S HOW I GOT INVOLVED. FIRST INVOLVEMENT WITH THE CITY. SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL. WE'RE NOT DONE AS MANY MORE THINGS TO DO IN THIS AREA AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD I WANTED TO GIVE A HUGE SHOUT OUT TO STAFF DURING THIS RECENT WINTER WEATHER. Y'ALL WERE WORKING AROUND THE CLOCK. WE GOT WE HAD JESSE KENT, OUR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES OUT THERE, TRYING TO CONNECT PEOPLE TO RESOURCES LIKE OUT IN THE ICE, TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE OUT. WE HAD POLICE AND FIRE STILL RESPONDING TO THINGS DESPITE THE STREETS, BUT WE ALSO HAD STREET STAFF WORKING AS HARD AS THEY COULD. HOW MUCH ICE WAS THAT? LIKE INCH AND A HALF OF ICE, LIKE, I TRIED SCRAPING IT OFF OF MY, YOU KNOW, MY PATIO AND STUFF, AND I COULDN'T GET IT TO MOVE. SO, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK STAFF DID. WE HAD STAFF ON THE WEEKEND MEETING PROBABLY MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE STAFF AND ALL THE HARD WORK Y'ALL PUT IN DURING THE WINTER STORM. 
          >> AND YOU SAID. >> IT ALL. YOU MIGHT KNOW MORE THAN ME. 
          >> NO, YOU SAID IT ALL. I THINK. >> THE AND I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT MAYOR PRO TEM I YOU KNOW, THIS WAS AN UNEXPECTED TO TO EXTEND AS LONG AS IT DID. BUT WE WERE IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE TWO UNIVERSITIES IN CPTC TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ALIGNED WITH WHAT WE WERE DOING. BUT I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF, 24 OVER SEVEN OUT THERE TRYING TO GET THE ROADS CLEARED, ESPECIALLY OVER THE OUR ROADS, THE BRIDGES AND THINGS. I KNOW SOME OF OUR CITIZENS DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THOSE ROADS ARE NOT OURS, THEIR TECHS DOTS OR THEIR COUNTY ROADS. BUT WE ALL OF OUR STAFF WORKED HARD AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, ONE STATION ALONE HAD 27 CALLS ON ONE OF THE DAYS FOR EITHER ACCIDENTS, YOU KNOW, LITTLE BUMPS OR PEOPLE THAT WERE OFF IN A DITCH COULDN'T GET OUT. 
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BUT IT WAS A WHEN YOU REALLY GO THROUGH IT ALL AND REALIZE, YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF FROM FACILITIES WERE GOING OUT AND OPENING THE GATES BECAUSE THEY WERE FREEZING UP SO STAFF COULD GET IN AND OUT. THEY WERE MAKING SURE THE BUILDINGS DIDN'T HAVE FROZEN PIPES, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM THERE. IT WAS A CONSTANT BARRAGE OF THINGS THAT THESE STAFF MEMBERS WERE DOING AND KEEPING THE ELECTRICITY ON. AND SO JUST BIG SHOUT OUT, BUT THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM, BECAUSE IT TAKES A VILLAGE SERIOUSLY TO KEEP THE CITY RUNNING EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT 
          OPEN, BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING. SO THANK YOU. >> ON THAT. I FORGOT TO MENTION ANIMAL SHELTER WAS THEY WEREN'T OPEN, BUT THEY WERE STILL HELPING OUT THE PETS OR, YOU KNOW, THE ANIMALS AND THE ANIMAL SHELTER. THEY WERE STILL TRAVELING TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER IN ALL OF THE WINTER WEATHER. AND I WOULD BE REMISS TO NOT ALSO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HELPED PEOPLE OUT, GOT PEOPLE INTO SHELTER, GOT PEOPLE FOOD HANDED OUT, YOU KNOW, HAND WARMERS AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO I ALSO APPRECIATE THE HUSTLE FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. AND WITH THAT, IT IS 757 I WILL CONCLUDE THIS
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