Apr 07, 2026 City Council on 2026-04-07 2:00 PM

[WORK SESSION BEGINS AT 2:00 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION ROOM.]

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THIS MEETING. OGDEN CITY COUNCIL. TODAY IS TUESDAY, APRIL 7TH, 2026. IT IS 2:03 P.M. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. AND FIRST IS IN PERSON. WELL, LET ME SEE. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC CITIZEN. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. WE HAVE NONE. OKAY.

THANK YOU. TAKES US TO SECOND PORTION WHICH IS REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION ON AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ON THE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION QUESTIONS FOR PUBLIC HEARING OR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATIONS. SEEING NONE, I'LL NOTE THAT THERE WAS

[A. ID 26-0057 Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding online card processing fees and cost recovery options. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

RECOVERY OPTIONS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. MATT HAMILTON, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS CREDIT CARD PROCESSING AND COST RECOVERY OPTIONS. AS YOU MAY RECALL, DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS LAST YEAR, STAFF BROUGHT FORWARD A WORK SESSION ITEM TO DISCUSS CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEES. AT THE TIME, DIRECTION WAS PROVIDED FOR STAFF TO REEVALUATE OPTIONS AND WHAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE. AND SO TODAY, BRINGING BACK WHAT OPTIONS ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE AND THAT WILL HELP TO INFORM THE BUDGET PROCESS THIS YEAR. SO SOME BACKGROUND. THE CITY OF DENTON HAS PROCESSED CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS FOR OVER 25 YEARS, BUDGETING ANNUALLY FOR THESE COSTS. PRIOR TO 2011, CONVENIENCE FEES WERE PREVIOUSLY APPLIED TO ONLINE TRANSACTIONS BUT REMOVED ACROSS ALL PAYMENT PORTALS IN 2011. IN 2014, RISING COSTS PRIMARILY DUE TO COMMERCIAL CARDS WITH HIGHER INTERCHANGE RATES, LED TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A 2.7% CONVENIENCE FEE FOR COMMERCIAL UTILITY ACCOUNTS THAT PAID BY PHONE OR ONLINE. THE CONVENIENCE FEE WAS IN PLACE FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS UNTIL 2019, WHEN CARD BRAND RULES CHANGED, RESTRICTING CONVENIENCE FEES TO FLAT AMOUNTS. ONLY IN 2020, CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED CONVENIENCE FEES TO BE COMPLETELY REMOVED WHEN THE CITY ADOPTED A NEW CARD PROCESSING CONTRACT WITH WELLS FARGO MERCHANT SERVICES. SINCE THE PERCENTAGE WAS NO LONGER ALLOWED, AND SINCE THAT TIME, CARD PROCESSING COSTS HAVE BEEN ABSORBED BY DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS AND FUNDED THROUGH CITY REVENUES IN 2025. AS I MENTIONED, WE HAD DISCUSSED THE RISING COSTS OF CARD PROCESSING DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS AND IN OCTOBER OF 2025, JUST THIS LAST YEAR, CARD BRAND RULES CHANGED, PRESENTING A NEW FEE OPTION THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS. SO JUST TO REVIEW THE THREE COST COMPONENTS ASSOCIATED WITH CARD PROCESSING, THE FIRST IS AN INTERCHANGE RATE. THIS IS A NON-NEGOTIABLE. ABOUT 1.5% CHARGE, PLUS 10% OR $0.10 PER TRANSACTION. THE SECOND IS A CARD NETWORK ASSESSMENT, WHICH AGAIN IS ALSO NON-NEGOTIABLE AND IS ABOUT A 10TH OF A PERCENT TO 0.1 5% OF MONTHLY SALES. SO IT'S VOLUME BASED. AND BOTH OF THESE COST COMPONENTS ARE SET BY THE PAYMENT NETWORKS. THE CARD BRANDS SUCH AS VISA, MASTERCARD, AMERICAN EXPRESS AND DISCOVER.

SO THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE ANY LEVERAGE OR NEGOTIATION IN THESE TWO COMPONENTS OF CARD PROCESSING COSTS. THE THIRD IS THE PAYMENT PROCESSING OR PAYMENT PROCESSOR FEE, WHICH IS FIXED BY CONTRACT. CURRENTLY, OUR PAYMENT PROCESSOR IS WELLS FARGO MERCHANT SERVICES AND WE GO OUT FOR CONTRACT EVERY FIVE YEARS. SO AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE PIE CHART THERE, 95% OF THE COSTS THAT WE INCUR ARE NETWORK FEES. THOSE ARE THE COST COMPONENTS ONE AND TWO THAT ARE NOT NEGOTIABLE. AND ONLY ABOUT 5% OF OUR TOTAL PROCESSING COSTS ARE RELATED TO THE PAYMENT PROCESSOR FEE. SO WHY REVISIT FEES? THE CUSTOMER SERVICE UTILITY BILLING DEPARTMENT IS 70% OF THE CITY'S ANNUAL CARD. ANNUAL CARD PROCESSING COSTS, PRIMARILY FROM ONLINE PAYMENTS AND ACCOUNT FOR APPROXIMATELY 1.57 MILLION ANNUALLY IN EXPENSE.

WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS COSTS CONTINUE TO INCREASE, UP 20% FROM 1.31 MILLION TO 1.57

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THE CONVENIENCE FEE WOULD NOT INCLUDE RECURRING PAYMENTS, SO THAT WOULD BE ANYONE WHO SETS UP AN AUTOMATIC PAYMENT WITH THEIR CARD ONLINE. THE CONVENIENCE FEE WOULD NOT APPLY TO THAT. HOWEVER, THE SERVICE FEE WOULD. IT WOULD APPLY TO ALL CARD PAYMENTS, WHETHER THEY'RE RECURRING OR NON-RECURRING. IN EITHER OF THE TWO FEES, THE RATE CANNOT BE TIERED. THE RATE HAS TO BE APPLIED AT THE SAME RATE HAS TO BE APPLIED TO EVERY CUSTOMER, AND BOTH CAN BE SET UP AND SEGREGATED BY ACCOUNT TYPE. SO THAT WOULD BE WE CAN DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS AND COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS. THE CONVENIENCE FEE MUST APPLY TO EACH X, WHEREAS THE SERVICE FEE WOULD NOT APPLY TO EACH X AND E CHECKS BEING AUTOMATIC BANK DRAFTS. SO COMPARING THESE TWO FEE OPTIONS, THE CONVENIENCE FEE UNDER THE CURRENT RULES WOULD BE A FLAT FEE ONLY. IT WOULD APPLY TO ALL PAYMENT TYPES, INCLUDING E CHECKS, AND WOULD EXCLUDE RECURRING PAYMENTS. THE ESTIMATED RATE TO RECOVER 100% OF THE COSTS IS $2.90 UNDER THE SERVICE FEE, WHICH IS NOW ALLOWABLE AS OF OCTOBER OF 2025. PERCENTAGE OR FLAT FEE IT WOULD INCLUDE RECURRING PAYMENTS EXCLUDING CHECKS, AND THE ESTIMATED RATE TO RECOVER 100% OF COSTS WOULD BE 1.55% IF IT WAS APPLIED TO ALL CARD PAYMENTS, OR 2.6% IF IT WAS ONLY APPLIED TO COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS AND THOSE ESTIMATES WERE PROVIDED BY OUR CARD PROCESSOR, WELLS FARGO MERCHANT SERVICES. IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE ONLINE CARD VOLUMES BY UTILITY CUSTOMER TYPE AT THE TOP HERE, YOU'LL SEE FISCAL YEAR 2024. AND THEN IN THE LOWER HALF, YOU'LL SEE FISCAL YEAR 2025. YEAR OVER YEAR, WE SAW AN INCREASE OF 83,125 MORE TRANSACTIONS IN 2025. WE SAW AN INCREASE OF 24,558,881 IN THE AMOUNT PROCESSED, AND THIS EQUATES TO $264,175 IN ADDITIONAL FEES THAT THE CITY PAID IN 2025 VERSUS 2024. SO IF DIRECTION IS PROVIDED TO PROCEED WITH IMPLEMENTING EITHER FEE, STAFF WILL INITIATE A MARKETING CAMPAIGN TO EDUCATE CUSTOMERS ON THE FEE AND PAYMENT METHODS WHICH DO NOT INCUR FEES. SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE E CHECK OPTION. THE BANK DRAFT OPTION STAFF WILL WORK WITH OUR VENDORS TO IMPLEMENT THE FEE MODULES.

ESTIMATED TIME TO IMPLEMENT IS APPROXIMATELY SIX MONTHS, SO TENTATIVELY, THIS WOULD BEGIN WITH THE NEW FISCAL YEAR STARTING OCTOBER 1ST. SO TODAY WE'RE SEEKING COUNCIL DIRECTION ON THE RECOVERY OF CREDIT CARD PROCESSING COSTS. WE'VE LAID OUT THREE OPTIONS. OPTION ONE IS MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO, WHICH WOULD MAINTAIN COST RECOVERY THROUGH THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT BUDGETS. AND ESSENTIALLY THE COST IS RECOVERED IN BASE RATES. OPTION

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ADDITIONALLY, WITHIN OPTIONS TWO AND THREE DETERMINE IF THE FEE IS TO BE APPLIED TO RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL OR BOTH. WE DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THE PCB RECOMMENDED OPTION THREE WHEN THIS INFORMATION WAS PRESENTED TO THEM, A SERVICE FEE OF APPROXIMATELY 1.55% ON ALL RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CARD TRANSACTIONS AT THE PCB MEETING ON MARCH 9TH. AND WITH THAT,

I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND AND DIRECTION, PLEASE.

MAYOR PRO TEM AND THEN REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR MATT, HOW DOES THE CITY CURRENTLY FUND THIS? ABOUT 1.6 MILLION. LIKE WHERE DOES THAT REVENUE COME FROM TO FUND PAYING FOR PEOPLE'S CREDIT CARD

TRANSACTION FEES? >> YES. SO THE EXPENSES PAID OUT OF THE CUSTOMER SERVICE FUND AND THE CUSTOMER SERVICE FUND BEING AN INTERNAL SERVICE OF THE CITY, TRANSFERS MADE FROM EACH OF THE UTILITY FUNDS PROPORTIONALLY INTO CUSTOMER SERVICE TO RECOVER THAT COST.

SO WITHIN THE EACH UTILITY BUDGET IS AN AMOUNT THAT IS BUDGETED TO TRANSFER TO

CUSTOMER SERVICE TO PAY FOR THESE EXPENSES. >> SO EFFECTIVELY, UTILITY CUSTOMERS ARE PAYING THEIR UTILITY BILL, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER RATE WE'RE PAYING TO THE UTILITIES. AND THEN A PORTION OF THAT IS GOING TO CUSTOMER SERVICE TO FUND THIS.

THAT'S PEOPLE ARE BASICALLY FUNDING IT CURRENTLY. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND IF THE CITY WERE TO STOP FUNDING THE 1.6 MILLION IN CREDIT CARD TRANSACTION FEES, YOU KNOW,

WHAT WOULD WE DO WITH THAT SAVINGS POTENTIALLY. >> YEAH. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE EVALUATED IN THE BUDGET PROCESS. IT WOULD CERTAINLY RELIEVE SOME PRESSURE ON THE UTILITY FINANCIALS. YOU KNOW WOULD IT BE A 1 TO 1 RELATIONSHIP. I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I THINK THAT THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, GIVE AND TAKE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, EXPENSES INCREASING IN OTHER AREAS AND SUCH. BUT, BUT YES, THAT WOULD BE EVALUATED DURING THAT PROCESS. AND WE WOULD DETERMINE WHAT TO ALLOCATE FUNDING TO.

>> AND JUST TO CONFIRM, VERY SIMPLY, THERE WOULD IF WE WERE TO STOP FUNDING THESE CREDIT CARD TRANSACTION FEES, CUSTOMERS WOULD HAVE A WAY TO PAY THEIR UTILITY BILL WITHOUT

PAYING A TRANSACTION FEE. CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. SO THESE FEES WOULD ONLY APPLY TO ONLINE PAYMENTS. AND SO THERE WOULD BE OPTIONS TO PAY IN PERSON. THEY COULD MAIL A CHECK. THEY COULD DO THE E CHECK WHICH IS A BANK SETTING UP A BANK DRAFT. SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE AVENUES THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO AVOID PAYING A FEE. IT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO

THE ONLINE CARD TRANSACTIONS. >> THANK YOU. AND CAN YOU SPEAK TO PUBS DISCUSSION AROUND THE THREE OPTIONS. DID THEY JUST GO STRAIGHT FOR THREE OPTION THREE OR WAS THERE WITH A WAFFLING

BETWEEN OPTIONS? WERE YOU ARE YOU PRIVY TO THAT? >> YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE DISCUSSION FOCUSED ON OPTION THREE. I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, REGARDING WITHIN THE SERVICE FEE OPTION. DOES IT APPLY TO ALL CARDHOLDERS OR DOES IT ONLY APPLY TO, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS? ULTIMATELY, THE DISCUSSION LANDED ON APPLYING THE FEE, YOU KNOW, UNIFORMLY ACROSS ALL CUSTOMERS. WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST IS THAT COMMERCIAL CARDS INCUR MUCH HIGHER FEES THAN CONSUMER CARDS.

AND SO BACK IN 2014, THAT WAS THE REASON THAT THOSE TYPES OF ACCOUNTS WERE ASSESSED, THAT 2.7% FEE IS BECAUSE LARGELY THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, INCURRING THE HIGHER COSTS. WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM FISCAL YEAR 24 TO 25 IS IT'S NOT DRIVEN BY AN INCREASE IN THOSE CARDS SPECIFICALLY, IT'S REALLY DRIVEN BY AN OVERALL INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF TRANSACTIONS AND AMOUNT PROCESSED. SO I THINK THAT THAT PLAYED INTO THE INTO THE CONVERSATION AS WELL IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, APPLYING THIS ACROSS ALL CUSTOMERS WHO CHOOSE TO USE A CARD ONLINE

VERSUS ONE CUSTOMER TYPE VERSUS ANOTHER. >> OKAY. CAN YOU GO BACK TO OPTION THREE OR YEAH, THIS SLIDE I'M SUPPORTIVE OF OPTION THREE. I PREFER PERCENTAGE BASED FLAT FEE. I FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GOT SMALLER CUSTOMERS SUBSIDIZING LARGER CUSTOMERS.

SO I'D RATHER SEE IT BE A PERCENTAGE. AND I GUESS, YEAH, THAT'S MY DIRECTION. THANK YOU.

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>> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FOUR. >> THANK YOU. I'M, I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE FLAT FEE. HOW DOES HOW DOES THAT WORK? A GUY WITH A $200 UTILITY BILL, A GUY WITH

A $2,000 UTILITY BILL. HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> YEAH, BY THE CARD RULES, WE WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO ASSESS A FLAT FEE PER TRANSACTION. SO THE INDIVIDUAL WITH A $200 BILL WOULD PAY THE SAME FLAT FEE AS AN INDIVIDUAL WITH A 2000 BILL, $2,000 BILL.

>> AND AND THAT WILL THAT WILL STILL RECOVER COSTS FOR THE CITY.

>> YEAH. THE ANALYSIS LOOKED AT ALL COSTS IN AGGREGATE ALONG WITH ALL THE TRANSACTIONS IN AGGREGATE. AND THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO COVER ALL THE COSTS. I THINK FOR THE SAME REASON, BACK IN 2020, THE WE MOVED AWAY FROM THE CONVENIENCE FEE FOR EXACTLY THAT REASON THAT IT WOULD BE APPLIED, YOU KNOW, TO, TO ALL BILLS, REGARDLESS OF SIZE, EVEN THOSE LESS THAN $200. AND IT REALLY. YOU KNOW, I THINK AT THE TIME THERE WAS A FEELING THAT THE PERCENTAGE WOULD BE MORE EQUITABLE AS A WAY TO ASSESS THE FEE.

>> WHICH OF THOSE TWO DO YOU THINK WOULD BE EASIER TO EXPLAIN TO SOMEBODY OVER THE TELEPHONE FOR YOUR FOR YOUR SERVICE CUSTOMER SERVICE REPS? I FLAT FEE OR PERCENTAGE?

>> YEAH. YOU KNOW, TO ME, WHETHER IT'S A PERCENTAGE, YOU KNOW, A SET PERCENTAGE BASED ON, BASED ON THE TRANSACTION OR THE FLAT FEE BASED ON THE TRANSACTION, IT'S GOING TO BE A SINGULAR NUMBER. IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE IN THIS CASE, WHAT WE PRESENTED $2.90 PER TRANSACTION OR IT'S 1.55%. NOW, IT MAY BE A LITTLE EASIER TO EXPLAIN THE FLAT FEE. YEAH. BUT I THINK WE COULD PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE. IF THERE'S A $100 UTILITY BILL, THAT 1.55% IS

GOING TO BE $1.55 ADDED TO THE BILL. >> OKAY. I CERTAINLY AM IN FAVOR OF OF THE CITY RECOVERING COSTS THAT WERE THAT WERE SPENDING. OPTION THREE MAYOR.

AND I GUESS THE PERCENTAGE, I GUESS YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTATIVE

FOR DISTRICT SIX. >> I'M IN. >> FAVOR OF OPTION THREE AND I TEND TO THINK OF FLAT FEE IS THE EASIEST TO EXPLAIN AND FOR PEOPLE TO. BUDGET FOR. AND SO THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE. BUT UNDERNEATH THAT IT WOULD BE OPTION THREE B, WHICH WOULD BE

THE PERCENTAGE. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENT DISTRICT TWO?

>> THANK YOU. SO. WHAT DO WE WE KNOW. DO YOU HAVE A FEEL FOR WHETHER FOLKS HAVE HIGH MIDDLE

OR LOW INCOME TEND TO USE CREDIT CARD SERVICES THE MOST? >> I, I DON'T THINK WE.

>> HAVE BROKEN IT DOWN LIKE THAT SORT OF THING. YEAH. BECAUSE I, I GUESS WHERE THE REASON FOR THE, THE CONTEXT OF THE QUESTION IS THIS THE CITIZENS OWN THE, ALL THE UTILITIES IN THIS TOWN EXCEPT FOR GAS. AND, AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE MOST AFFECTED BY FEE CHANGES, WHICH LOW INCOME FOLKS DON'T NECESSARILY BEAR THE BRUNT OF THAT AS WE CHANGE FEE STRUCTURES. AND SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN ADDRESS AS

ONE I'M HEARING. >> LET ME BRING. MAYBE CHRIS FOSTER. IS THAT OKAY?

>> WELL, YEAH, IF YOU HAVE IT, LET'S NOT. >> IT'S VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION. I FEEL THAT WILL LEND TO THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED CHRIS TO FOSTER CUSTOMER SERVICE MANAGER. WHILE I CAN'T GIVE YOU DIRECT NUMBERS ON THE PAYMENT BREAKDOWN BY, YOU KNOW, LIKE ECONOMIC CLASS, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THESE PAYMENT STRUCTURES WILL APPLY PER PAYMENT. AND SOME OF OUR MORE VULNERABLE CUSTOMERS ARE ON THE PREPAID PROGRAM AND MAY MAKE FIVE, EIGHT, TEN PAYMENTS IN A MONTH. SO THOSE CUSTOMERS WOULD BE FAR MORE IMPACTED WITH A FLAT FEE THAT THEY PAY EVERY SINGLE TIME. THEN WITH A PERCENTAGE THAT IS EQUIVALENT TO THE SAME THING THAT THEIR PEERS WHO ARE NOT ON PREPAID WOULD PAY. AND THAT WAS. THANK

YOU. >> NO, THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION, I APPRECIATE THAT. THEN THEN.

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YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE IMPACTS OF THESE FEE STRUCTURES AND I'M CONCERNED, BUT I GUESS FOR, TO, TO GIVE DIRECTION, I WOULD BE FOR OPTION THREE PERCENTAGE. BUT, BUT I'M REALLY MORE FOCUSED ON, ON THE COMMERCIAL RATES. SO THAT WOULD

BE MY DIRECTION. >> GIVE THAT TO ME AGAIN. >> OPTION THREE PERCENTAGE, BUT

COMMERCIAL ONLY. >> THAT LET ME. >> KNOW. I DON'T JUST WANT TO

MAKE SURE THAT'S DOABLE. >> IT IT IS. YES. >> MAKE SURE I HAVE THIS RIGHT.

YOU SAID PERCENT PERCENTAGE BASED COMMERCIAL ONLY. IS THAT RIGHT?

>> CORRECT. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE OPTION. DO YOU PREFER FLAT RATE OR PERCENTAGE? PERCENTAGE. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? YEAH.

REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. MAYOR. >> IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN I ASK HOW WOULD IT WORK WITH COMMERCIAL ONLY? ARE WE ARE WE GIVING DIRECTION FOR THAT TOO?

>> IF THAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE, YES. THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON THAT SAID THAT THUS FAR.

>> HOW MUCH MORE WORK WOULD IT BE ON STAFF TO TO ACHIEVE COMMERCIAL ONLY?

>> SO THERE IS A THERE WOULD BE AN IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO ESTABLISH WHAT'S CALLED A SEPARATE MID. SO WE WOULD HAVE ONE ASSIGNED TO RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS AND ONE ASSIGNED TO COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS. SO WHEN THOSE INDIVIDUALS WENT TO PAY THEIR ACCOUNTS, THE ACCOUNTS ARE LINKED TO ONE OF THOSE TWO MIDS. AND THAT'S HOW THE SYSTEM KNOWS WHEN TO APPLY THE FEE AND WHEN NOT TO APPLY THE FEE. SO THERE IS SOME TIME AND EFFORT ON BEHALF OF STAFF THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN IMPLEMENTING THAT, BUT IT MAY ONLY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN ANY OF THE OTHER OPTIONS. I MEAN, ANY OF THESE OPTIONS WILL TAKE STAFF TIME TO IMPLEMENT. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD INDICATED ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS OF

GETTING EVERYTHING SET UP. >> OKAY. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M CONSCIOUS OF THAT. AND THANK YOU, KRISTA, BECAUSE I HAVING FORMERLY BEEN IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT MYSELF, I ACTUALLY ASSUMED THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING THAT. MARIAM. ABSOLUTELY. OPTION THREE AND PERCENTAGE FOR ME, THIS SPEAKS TO TO FAIRNESS AND KEEPING IN MIND REGULAR WORKING PEOPLE WHO ARE WHO ARE MOST AFFECTED BY, BY FEE CHANGES, INCREASES THAT ARE WE'RE SEEING ALL OVER THE PLACE. I THINK THE PERCENTAGE IS GOING TO BE THE EASIEST AND MOST FAIR THEY CAN THINK ABOUT

THOSE FOLKS IN MIND PRIMARILY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT SIX.

>> I JUST WANT TO AMEND MY DIRECTION, PLEASE, SIR. OKAY. TO OPTION THREE PERCENTAGE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> GOT IT. OKAY. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? I THINK I MISS ANYONE.

OKAY. YEAH. AND MUCH THE SAME. JUST SO I'M ON THE RECORD, I'M FINE WITH OPTION THREE AND PERCENTAGE, BUT FOR A DIFFERENT REASON. I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT PARSING OUT COMMERCIAL.

RIGHT? BECAUSE WHAT DO WE USE AS A, AS A DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL?

>> IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE ANY, ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO USES A BUSINESS CARD WITH A, A COMMERCIAL ACCOUNT THAT'S ASSIGNED A COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION.

>> WITH THE BANK, RIGHT. THE THE OR WITH OR WITH THE WITH THE UTILITY.

>> WELL, IT WOULD BE WITH THE IT WOULD BE WITH UTILITY. OKAY. YEAH.

>> GOT IT, GOT IT. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, YOU HAVE DIRECTION THERE. AND SO AND THEN YOU'LL, YOU'LL, YOU'LL GET STARTED WITH MESSAGING AND ALL THOSE THINGS. OKAY. GOT IT. YES, SIR.

>> THANKS, MAYOR. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. WITH THAT DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL, WOULD THAT ALSO INCLUDE SOMEONE WHO HAS A HOME BASED BUSINESS? OKAY. THANK YOU. OH, OKAY. WELL. SHE SHE SHOOK HER HEAD. BUT THANK YOU FOR COMING UP, BY THE WAY, AND THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU'RE

WELCOME. >> KRISTA FOSTER CUSTOMER SERVICE MANAGER. SO THE WAY THAT WE WOULD CLASSIFY THAT IS BASED ON THE RATE. SO WE HAVE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL

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COMMERCIAL CLASS CUSTOMER. >> GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU

GOT EVERYTHING YOU NEED? >> YOU GOOD? YES. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY

[B. ID 26-0269 Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on the update to the Simply Sustainable Framework. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

>> SORRY, LET ME GET THIS PULLED UP. ALL RIGHT. SORRY. CATHERINE BARNETT SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER AND I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE UPDATE TO THE SUSTAINABLE FRAMEWORK. SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BACKGROUND WHY WE HAVE THE FRAMEWORK. SOME PROGRESS HIGHLIGHTS REVIEW THE DRAFT THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED IN YOUR BACKUP, AND THEN RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK AND GO TO NEXT STEPS. SO WAY BACK IN 2011, PROMOTE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY WAS A KEY FOCUS AREA IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. IN 2012, WE ADOPTED OUR FIRST SUSTAINABILITY PLAN. WE UPDATED THAT IN 2020. IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT, SO IT'S REVIEWED CONTINUOUSLY AND UPDATED EVERY 5 TO 7 YEARS. IN 2022, COUNCIL REAFFIRMED THAT SUSTAINABILITY AND ENVIRONMENT IS A KEY FOCUS AREA, AND IN 2025, WE DRAFTED AN UPDATE TO THE FRAMEWORK. WE WENT THROUGH THAT WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK ADVISORY COMMITTEE BACK IN JULY, OCTOBER AND IN DECEMBER, THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THIS DOCUMENT TO COUNCIL. WE ALSO WENT THROUGH THE DOCUMENT WITH THE COMMITTEE ON THE ENVIRONMENT IN SEPTEMBER. SO WHY DO WE HAVE A SUSTAINABILITY PLAN? IT'S THAT COORDINATED, FORWARD LOOKING DOCUMENT. IT HELPS SHOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SUSTAINABILITY ACCESSIBLE TO OUR COMMUNITY, HOW EVERYTHING RELATES TO THE ACTIONS AND IMPACTS, AND HOW WE CAN CONNECT THAT ACROSS THE CITY, AND THEN ENSURE THAT WE'RE STAYING IN FOCUS FOR OUR PRIORITIES. SO JUST SOME PROGRESS THROUGH 2025, WE HAVE SEEN OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS DROP PER CAPITA SIGNIFICANTLY FROM 17.71 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 6.36. YES, WE'VE PROVIDED OVER 5800 ENERGY EFFICIENCY INCENTIVES TO CUSTOMERS THROUGH THE GREEN PROGRAM. IN THAT TIME, WE'VE SEEN OUR MUNICIPAL RESOURCE CONSUMPTION DROP BOTH ENERGY AND WATER. WE'RE USING LESS RESOURCES. WE'VE SEEN OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT GROW TO ALMOST 14,000 PARTICIPANTS IN EVENTS LAST YEAR. AND THEN THE CITY HAS ADOPTED SEVERAL PLANS THAT HELP INFLUENCE SUSTAINABILITY FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO THE BOLD PLANS IN THIS LIST ARE THE ONES THAT ARE NEW SINCE 2020. THE OTHERS ARE UPDATES, BUT THEY ALL IMPACT SUSTAINABILITY IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY LOOK AT HOW WE GROW OR HOW WE MOVE AROUND TOWN, OUR TRAILS AND TRAILS AND SYSTEM MASTER PLAN, HOW WE MOVE THROUGH THE GREEN SPACES, AND THEN THE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT STRATEGY HAS REALLY BROUGHT A LOT OF GROWTH INCREASES AND DIVERSION DECREASES IN IN WASTE AND CONTAMINATION IN OUR RECYCLING. SO THE DIFFERENCES IN THE 2026 VERSION TO THE 2020, WE TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT TACK WITH THIS AND WENT WITH TWO PRIMARY GOALS. INSTEAD OF THE 33 GOALS IN THE 2020, WE WENT BACK TO A MUNICIPAL GOAL AND A COMMUNITY GOAL. SO WHAT CAN WE DO AS A MUNICIPALITY, AND WHAT CAN THE COMMUNITY DO TO BECOME MORE SUSTAINABLE? THE 2020 HAD EIGHT FOCUS AREAS. WE BROKE THAT BACK DOWN TO SIX FOCUS AREAS IN THE 26 BECAUSE WE INCORPORATED EDUCATION, COMMUNITY COMMUNICATION AND COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND RESILIENCY IN PUBLIC HEALTH THROUGHOUT THOSE OTHER SIX FOCUS AREAS. THERE WERE THERE ARE 63 ACTIONABLE ITEMS IN THE 2026 VERSION, AND THERE WERE 69 IN THE 2020. SO SIMILAR NUMBER OF ACTIONABLE ITEMS. SO I SAID THE TWO GOALS. SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO REVIEW REDUCE THE ENVIRONMENTAL FOOTPRINT OF OUR MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS? AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO ENSURE THAT OUR FACILITIES ARE RESILIENT TO HAZARDS AND VULNERABILITIES? AND GOAL TWO IS THE COMMUNITY SIDE OF THAT. SO HOW DO WE PROVIDE OUTREACH INCENTIVES,

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2020? WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DIRECTION OR QUESTIONS FOR FOR STAFF? MAYOR PRO TEM. >> THANK YOU. HELLO. HOW ARE YOU DOING? GOOD. COULD YOU SPEAK TO SORT OF THE CONVERSATIONS FROM SUSTAINABLE SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK COMMITTEE AND KIND OF WHAT THEIR DISCUSSIONS WERE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I THINK THEY ALL SUPPORTED. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OPTIONS? I THINK IT WAS

OPTION ONE. YEAH, I THINK UNANIMOUSLY. >> THE DOCUMENT THEY RECOMMENDED THIS DOCUMENT TO COUNCIL. WE HAD QUITE A FEW INTERACTIONS. IT WAS MORE ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF THE DOCUMENT THAN THE CONTENT, THAN THE ACTIONS THAT WERE PROPOSED.

JUST WANTED TO FLESH OUT SOME OF THE THE DEFINITIONS THAT WERE IN THERE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAD A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THOSE.

>> AWESOME. WELL, I THINK I, YOU KNOW, ALSO SUPPORT NUMBER ONE UPDATE AS PROPOSED. ONLY THING I'LL ADD LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE UPDATES, IF THERE WAS SOME WAY TO INCORPORATE FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY, BECAUSE ALL OF THESE ARE GEARED TOWARDS USING FEWER RESOURCES, USING LESS ENERGY, USING LESS WATER, AND ALL OF THAT SAVES THE CITY MONEY. IT SAVES RESIDENTS MONEY USING LESS GASOLINE, WHICH IS SPIKING RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? USING LESS MATERIALS, USING LESS LAND.

RIGHT? THAT SAVES EVERYBODY MONEY. SO FINDING A WAY TO TIE FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY INTO THIS AS WELL IN FUTURE UPDATES IS SOMETHING I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED IN.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? REPRESENT

FROM DISTRICT SIX? >> HI. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. I'VE JUST GOT A COUPLE. I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT TASKS AND GOALS OBVIOUSLY SET FORTH HERE. FIRST OF ALL, WHERE WERE THOSE SOURCED FROM? WHERE

WHERE DID THE IDEAS COME FROM? >> WE WORKED WITH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE REPRESENTED IN THE PLAN. SO WATER ELECTRIC, SOLID WASTE FLEET. WE MET WITH ALL OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ALL ON THE SAME TRACK. MOVING FORWARD.

>> OKAY. AND SO YOU ASKED THEM FOR RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHAT THEY COULD BE DOING IN THEIR

CONVERSATIONS. >> CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. YES.

>> OKAY. SO AND THE REASON I ASK IS MY, MY FEAR IS THAT WE PUT SOME ITEMS IN HERE THAT ARE MAYBE NOT ABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED FOR FISCAL REASONS OR OTHER REASONS. I DON'T WANT IT TO SEEM AS IF WE FAILED. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED IT BEING KIND OF A LIVING DOCUMENT.

TALK TO ME ABOUT HOW THESE ARE GIVEN OUT. AND, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WHO'S DETERMINING WHICH ONES OF THESE ARE ACTUALLY FEASIBLE ONCE WE COME UP WITH OUR KIND OF BIG GOALS.

>> AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WITH, WITH SUSTAINABILITY PLANNING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT FUTURE IN, IN A PERFECT WORLD, THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO GET TO. AND THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN THAT WAY. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT. SOMETIMES WE PUSH SOME GOALS OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. JUST LOOKING AT THE THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE'RE IN AT THAT TIME. WE DO WANT IT TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A PUSH DOCUMENT JUST SO THAT WE'RE WE'RE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO, TO ACHIEVE HIGHER EFFICIENCIES OR FLEET ACQUISITIONS. YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'RE NOT GOING TO PURCHASE AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO IT. AND THAT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE TO DO SOMETHING

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PROGRESS TRACKING. >> OKAY. AND THEN IN THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, IT DOES MENTION CONDUCT ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES ABOVE WITH A FOCUS ON INCLUSIVENESS, EQUITY AND SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY. IS THAT WHEN WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EQUITY HERE, IS THAT AN EQUITY IN THE ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE, OR IS THAT IN THE IS IT IN THE OPPORTUNITY OR THE OUTCOME THAT

IT'S GOING TO BE MEASURED? >> THE OPPORTUNITY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S AWARE OF THEM. OKAY. AND THEN WE WANT TO MAKE PROGRAMS THAT EVERYONE CAN PARTICIPATE IN.

>> OKAY. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SOME INSTANCES WHERE THEN THAT KIND OF GOES OFF INTO A DIFFERENT SET OF CRITERIA THAT MAYBE COUNCIL DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT WHEN THE PROGRAM GOT PUT IN PLACE. AND THAT'S JUST A TOPIC OF THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE DAYS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND MY MY DIRECTION WOULD BE TO UPDATE THE FRAMEWORK AS PROPOSED. AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE DEPARTMENTS, IN THESE COMMITTEES THAT SPENT TIME COMING UP WITH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE, NOT ONLY IN THE ORGANIZATION OF THE CITY, BUT ALSO THE COMMUNITY. SO THANK

YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT, FOR THEN TO.

>> OPTION NUMBER ONE. >> ALL RIGHT. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO.

>> THANK YOU. WHEN WHEN YOU CAME AND PRESENTED BEFORE ENVIRONMENT, YOU HAD A FEW MORE RATIONALE FOR WHY THE RESTRUCTURING, LIKE MOST, MOST OF THE GOALS WERE CARRIED FORWARD, BUT THEY WERE RESTRUCTURED. CAN CAN YOU PROVIDE A LITTLE COLOR FOR WHY THE RESTRUCTURING AND TO GO TO THE TWO PRIMARY. I THOUGHT YOU DID. I'M GIVING YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT YOU. I THINK YOU DID BEFORE, WHICH IS PROVIDE A GOOD REASON WHY YOU

BROKE IT DOWN TO THOSE TWO CATEGORIES. >> WHENEVER WE START TALKING ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY AND WHAT CAN FOLKS DO? IT BECAME KIND OF CLEAR TO US THAT WE NEEDED TO TALK MORE ABOUT WHAT THE MUNICIPALITY COULD DO AND THEN WHAT RESIDENTS COULD DO, WHAT WHAT THE COMMUNITY COULD DO. AND I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT WAS BEEN. OKAY.

>> WELL, MAYBE LET ME SEE IF THIS HELPS PROD IT A LITTLE BIT. THE THE ONE CAN YOU CAN YOU DISCUSS NOT ONLY THAT ISSUE OF, OF WHERE WE HAVE MORE DECISIVE CONTROL VERSUS LESS, WHICH IS WHERE YOU STARTED TO GO TO, BUT ALSO WHERE THE IMPACTS LIE IN ACCOMPLISHING OUR OVERALL CLIMATE GOALS. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHICH OF THOSE CATEGORIES AND, AND HOW, HOW THIS CHANGE

HELPS GET THERE? >> AND IT'S FINE. IF NOT, I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR

A STATEMENT THAT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE? >> YEAH. WELL, HOW ABOUT THAT ONE QUESTION WHICH WHICH OF THE, WHICH OF THE, THE TWO CATEGORIES DOES THE HAS THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON ACHIEVING OUR GOALS. YOU KNOW, THE ONE THE MUNICIPAL OR TWO, THE COMMUNITY.

>> SO THE COMMUNITY WILL HAVE THE BIGGER IMPACT ON ACHIEVING OUR SUSTAINABILITY GOALS. OKAY.

MUNICIPALITY IS A SMALL PORTION OF OUR MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS ARE A SMALL PORTION OF THAT.

>> ALL RIGHT. YEAH, I'M JUST JUST TO ACCELERATE THIS THEN A LITTLE BIT, I'M GOING TO SAY

UPDATE IS PROPOSED. >> ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTING DISTRICT FIVE?

>> THANK YOU. YES. OBVIOUSLY I'M OPTION ONE AS WELL. BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ABOUT SOMETHING WE'VE DISCUSSED IN OUR COMMITTEE MEETING, AIR QUALITY TESTING AND MONITORING. WHERE ARE WE IN GENERAL WITH OUR AIR QUALITY TESTING, TESTING AND MONITORING? AND I ASKED THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE I JUST HAD THIS CONVERSATION AT SOMEONE'S DOOR WHO INQUIRED ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THE NEW MONITORS WERE. SO I'D LOVE TO JUST KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S ONE OF OUR

STRATEGIC FOCUS AREAS AND SOMETHING THAT WE'VE UPDATED. >> SO IT IS ONE OF THE PROGRESS HIGHLIGHTS THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE THE 12 MONITORS INSTALLED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. WE

HAVE THE DASHBOARD LIVE ON OUR WEBSITE. >> YEAH, THEY SAW THE DASHBOARD.

THAT'S WHY WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. >> YEAH. SO, SO THAT'S ALL UP AND RUNNING. WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH YOU AND HOPING TO GET SOME PARTNERSHIPS TO DO

SOME ANALYSIS OF THAT DATA. >> ARE WE GOING THE RIGHT DIRECTION YET IN TERMS OF

HAVING BETTER AIR QUALITY? OR IS IT PERHAPS TOO EARLY TO KIND. >> OF AS A REGION, WE'RE GOING THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I DON'T HAVE THAT FOR THE DENTON MONITOR SPECIFIC RIGHT NOW.

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>> OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. THANK YOU KAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THANK YOU, MICHAEL.

>> ANYONE ELSE? I JUST THE ONLY THING I WANT TO NOTE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE. SO THIS IS ON GOAL ONE. SO THIS IS IN THE I GUESS IN THE FRAMEWORK FINAL DRAFT PAGE 11. THERE TOP BULLET CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT 100% RENEWABLE ENERGY TO DME CUSTOMERS THAT THAT'S NOT THAT'S UP THAT'S ABLE TO BE DISCUSSED BECAUSE I'M JUST NOT FOR THAT. RIGHT? LIKE I GET IT WHERE WE ARE TODAY, BUT I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A HEALTHY CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE HAD ABOUT HOW MUCH THAT COST. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IF I'M SAYING I AGREE WITH GOAL

ONE, IT'S GENERALLY GOAL ONE, NOT EVERY BULLET POINT GO ONE. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> YEAH. OKAY. JUST WANTED JUST WANT IT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE THAT THAT DISCUSSION NEEDS TO BE HAD. SO OKAY, THEN COMFORTABLE WITH THAT LAST THING? CAN YOU TELL ME HOW YOU EVALUATE FOOTPRINT, ENVIRONMENTAL FOOTPRINT? SO WE ARE GROWING, RIGHT? AND SO DO YOU SET A BASELINE AS THAT AND PARDON ME IF I MISSED IT, BUT DO YOU JUST KIND OF SET A

BASELINE AND THEN GROWTH IS PROPORTIONATE. >> WE HAVE BASELINE. AND THEN WE LOOK AT PER CAPITA A LOT SO THAT WE ARE INCLUDING THAT GROWTH IN IN POPULATION.

>> RIGHT. AND THEN JUST KIND OF OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. THEN THEN I THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD GOAL. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THOSE THINGS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THE WORK DONE. YES. GO RIGHT AHEAD.

>> WE'LL HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR ADOPTION TO COME BEFORE YOU. >> MAYOR. YOU REMEMBER YOU TOUCHED ON NEEDING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF IT THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED IN OUR ENVIRONMENT COMMITTEE MEETING. SO ARE THERE NEXT STEPS ON THAT? DO WE NEED TO DID YOU ENVISION HAVING SPECIFIC CONVERSATIONS ABOUT OUR GOALS?

>> NO, NO, NO, I JUST DME IS COMING BACK WITH THAT DISCUSSION THAT WITH THE MONEY, LIKE HOW MUCH WE'RE PAYING FOR 100% RENEWABLE. THAT'S A DME DISCUSSION. NOT NOT THIS.

>> YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THEM. YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE. YES. OH, OKAY.

I THOUGHT YOU MEANT OKAY. >> NO, NO. YEAH. JUST WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

THAT COMPONENT. YEAH. NO WORRIES. OKAY. THANK YOU AGAIN. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM C. I

[C. ID 26-0386 Receive a report and hold a discussion regarding updates to the Linda McNatt Animal Care and Adoption Center project. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

>> ALL RIGHT. SO GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNCIL SETH GARCIA DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS TODAY I'M GOING TO BE TAG TEAMING THIS PRESENTATION WITH NIKKI. SO JUST A BRIEF AGENDA.

AGAIN, TODAY'S UPDATE IS JUST FOR COUNCIL ON PROJECT DELIVERABLES. SO WE'RE GOING TO BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE 2023 SCOPE. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT OUR CURRENT BUDGET AND CURRENT CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE. I'LL SHOW YOU BRIEFLY OUR PHASING PLAN FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT IT. YOU'LL GET A SNEAK PEEK AT OUR NEW FLOOR PLAN, AND THEN I'M GOING TO PASS IT OFF TO NIKKI TO LOOK AT OUR OPERATIONS IMPACTS. OKAY, SO IN 2023, IN THE SUMMER, WE TOOK FORWARD THREE MAIN OBJECTIVES OR GOALS TO THE CITIZENS BOND COMMITTEE. THAT WAS ONE, EXPAND THE FACILITY. TWO, RECONFIGURE AND ENHANCE FUNCTIONALITY FOR THE STAFF.

AND THREE, REPLACE THE HVAC SYSTEM THAT WAS INSTALLED WITH THE ORIGINAL BUILDING. SO THIS IS OUR FINAL SCOPE KIND OF WHERE WE LANDED ON SOME OF THOSE MAJOR THINGS. SO NUMBER ONE, WE'VE EXPANDED THE FACILITY BY ROUGHLY 10,000FT■!S. SO IT'S CURRENTLY 18,000FT■!S.

WE'RE GOING TO OVER 28,000FT■!S. WE'VE ADDED 18 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOTS OUT FRONT AND FIVE ADDITIONAL PLAY YARDS. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RELOCATE THE ADOPTABLE DOGS FROM THE ISOLATION AND QUARANTINE ANIMALS. SO WHEN I SHOW YOU THE FLOOR PLAN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HOW THEY MOVED TO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. OUR VETERINARY CLINIC WAS RELOCATED AND EXPANDED BY ALMOST 2000FT■!S. SO WE'RE GOING FROM 1000FT■!S TO ALMOST 3000FTS FOR THAT SPACE. AND IN THE ORIGINAL FACILITY, WE WERE ABLE TO REPLACE THE HVAC SYSTEM AND ADD AN ERP SYSTEM. SO ERP USES UV LIGHT TO KILL ALMOST 99.9% OF DISEASES AND BACTERIAS. SO IT WILL IMPROVE INFECTION CONTROL KIND OF IN THOSE ISO AND QUARANTINE AREAS. SO SOME OF OUR MINOR WINS FOR EFFICIENCY PURPOSES. SO WE WERE ABLE TO RELOCATE EXERCISE YARDS AND CREATE THEM SPECIFICALLY FOR THE ISO AND QUARANTINE ANIMALS. SO BEFORE THOSE YARD SPACES WERE SHARED BY ADOPTABLE ANIMALS AND ISO QUARANTINE ANIMALS. SO NOW INSTEAD OF

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SO OUR PHASE ONE IS GOING TO BE ROUGHLY 12 MONTHS. AGAIN, THAT'LL MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE HERE IN A SECOND. WHEN I SHOW YOU THE PHASING PLAN. AND THEN PHASES TWO AND THREE WILL START SIMULTANEOUSLY. AND WE'RE EXPECTING ABOUT SIX MONTHS FOR THOSE. SO OVERALL, AN 18 MONTH DURATION FOR CONSTRUCTION. SO THAT PHASING PLAN. SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE YELLOW AREA IS GOING TO BE IN PHASE ONE. THE REASON WE LAID IT OUT THIS WAY IS UP HERE ON THE NORTH SECTION, WHICH THIS WOULD BE CLOSEST TO US 77 IS WHERE OUR 10,000 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION IS GOING TO BE BUILT. THIS WILL ALLOW US TO NOT IMPACT THE ANIMAL SERVICES GROUP DURING THEIR NORMAL OPERATIONS. FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, WE'LL COORDINATE UTILITY SHUTDOWNS AND EVERYTHING AS WE TIE IN. BUT AGAIN, THIS WILL GIVE US A SPACE TO BUILD. AND WHEN WE'RE READY TO MOVE INTO THE RENOVATION STAGE, RELOCATE STAFF AND ANIMALS. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BUILD OUT PHASE ONE IN THAT 12 MONTH PERIOD. THEN WE WILL MOVE INTO PHASE TWO AND THREE, WHICH IS THE EXISTING FACILITY. SO ONCE WE START THE EXISTING FACILITY, PHASE TWO, WHICH IS THIS LIGHT BLUE AREA THAT HAS A LOT OF ISOLATION AND QUARANTINE SPACES, AS WELL AS JUST GENERAL SPACES THAT THE ANIMAL SERVICES FOLKS USE FOR THEIR DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS. WE'RE GOING TO EXPEDITE THAT PHASE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. WE'RE EXPECTING 3 TO 4 MONTHS TIMELINE, GET THAT RENOVATED AND THEN GET THAT TURNED BACK OVER TO ANIMAL SERVICES STAFF. SO AS SOON AS WE DO THAT, THAT WILL ALSO ALLOW US TIME TO COMPLETE THE VETERINARY SPACES, THE OFFICE SPACES, AND A FEW MORE ISOLATED ITEMS THAT WON'T IMPACT SERVICES AS MUCH. SO AGAIN, PHASE ONE, ROUGHLY 12 MONTHS, PHASES TWO AND THREE WILL START SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE GOAL OF TURNING PHASE TWO OVER WITHIN 3 TO 4 MONTHS, AND THEN FINISH THE TOTAL PROJECT WITHIN 18 MONTHS. SO A BRIEF LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN. AGAIN, I'M GOING TO POINT SOME THINGS OUT WITH THE MOUSE HERE. SO THIS NORTH AREA HERE, IF I KIND OF DRAW A LINE THROUGH HERE IS OUR NEW ADD ON. SO THIS IS ROUGHLY 10,000FT■!S.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE 32 ADAPTABLE SPACES HERE THAT SHARE THOSE INDOOR OUTDOOR RUNS. ONE OTHER ADDED BENEFIT IS NOW WHEN YOU COME TO THE FACILITY, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE THREE ENTRANCES FOR YOU DEPENDING UPON WHAT YOU'RE THERE FOR. SO THE MAIN LOBBY ENTRANCE THAT YOU WILL SEE HERE WILL BE ADDED ON. THAT WILL BE THE MAIN LOBBY AND ADAPTABLE SPACES OVER HERE TO THE SIDE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A ROOM FOR RECLAIM AND SURRENDER THAT WILL HAVE AN EXAM ROOM ADJOINING TO IT RIGHT THERE. SO IF YOU'RE COMING IN TO PICK UP A STRAY OR DROP OFF AN ANIMAL, YOU HAVE A SEPARATE SPACE AND YOU'RE NOT WALKING THROUGH THE MAIN LOBBY. AND THEN DOWN HERE WHERE THE EXISTING ENTRANCES WILL BE CONVERTED TO A VESTIBULE AND ENTRANCE DIRECTLY INTO THE VET SUITE. SO AGAIN, THREE DIFFERENT ENTRANCES DEPENDING UPON WHAT YOU'RE THERE FOR. AGAIN, THE QUARANTINE ISOLATION SPACE IS, IS DOWN HERE. THAT IS PART OF THE EXISTING FACILITY. SO ALL OF THOSE DOGS WILL BE LOCATED DOWN HERE. AND THEN AGAIN, OUR ADOPTABLE DOGS WILL BE COMPLETELY SEPARATED IN A WAY. AND NOW I'M GOING TO PASS

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IT TO NIKKI TO TALK OPERATIONS IMPACTS. >> AFTERNOON, MAYOR. COUNCIL NIKKI DIRECTOR OF ANIMAL SERVICES. SO BEFORE I START, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A SECOND AND SAY THANK YOU TO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS TEAM. SETH, CHRISTINE AND AARON HAVE DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB IN LISTENING TO US, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'VE INCORPORATED EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED, FUNCTIONALITY WISE, TO MAKE THIS A REALLY GREAT PROJECT SO WE CAN PROVIDE THE BEST CARE FOR THE ANIMALS AND HAVE THE BEST EXPERIENCE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND OUR STAFF. SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THAT. WE ARE VERY EXCITED FOR THE PROJECT. IT WILL HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON OUR OPERATIONS, BUT WE REALIZE THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES AS WE GO THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CAPITAL PROJECTS TEAM TO MITIGATE A LOT OF THOSE. BUT WE DID WANT TO WALK THROUGH THESE IMPACTS AND KIND OF HIGHLIGHT FOR COUNCIL WHAT THE MAJOR CHALLENGES ARE GOING TO BE AND THE CHANGES TO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AS WE GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PHASES OF THE PROJECT. SO I DID ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THE MARCOM TEAM, THE MARKETING COMMUNICATIONS TEAM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAKING THE PUBLIC AWARE OF OUR LEVEL OF SERVICES CHANGES AS IT AFFECTS THEM AS WE GO THROUGH THE PHASING. SO PHASE ONE STARTS KICKS OFF IN MAY OF THIS YEAR, MAY 2026. THIS IS OUR LOWEST IMPACT TO OPERATIONS, SETH MENTIONED. WE'RE STARTING WITH THE NEW ADDITION, WHICH WILL BE THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT'S CLOSEST TO 77. SO WE WILL HAVE VERY LITTLE IMPACT THERE. THE MAJOR THING WILL BE THAT WE WILL LOSE ACCESS TO THE LARGE YARDS THAT ARE OUT THERE. SO WE USE THOSE DAILY FOR CLEANING, BUT WE HAVE SOME RELOCATION OF THE KENNELS TO TEMPORARY SPACES. SO THAT WILL HELP MITIGATE THAT. SO PHASE TWO AND THREE BEGINS NEXT MAY 2027. THIS IS THE BIGGEST CHALLENGING TIME TO OUR IMPACT AND OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE. IT WILL SPECIFICALLY BE IN ANIMAL HOUSING AND OUR CAPACITY, OUR ABILITY TO HOUSE ANIMALS. SO ONCE WE CAN'T MOVE ALL THE CURRENT OPERATIONS INTO THE NEW, INTO THE NEW BUILDINGS, BUT WE WILL BE MOVING INTO ALL OF OUR CURRENT OPERATIONS, INTO THE NEW BUILD. SO WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO IS REALLY REDUCE THE HOUSING OF THE ANIMAL SPACES THAT WE HAVE. WE'RE HAVING TO CONSOLIDATE EVERYTHING THAT WILL MOVE US DOWN, SPECIFICALLY IN ADOPTABLE AND STRAY DOG FROM 16 RUN OR FROM 59 RUNS TO 16 RUNS. SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY HAVING TO FOCUS ON DURING THAT TIME IS OUR RETURN TO OWNERS, EITHER IN THE FIELD OR THROUGH MICROCHIPPING, WHICH WE'RE ACTIVELY PROMOTING MICROCHIPPING RIGHT NOW. YOU'LL SEE THAT AGAIN IN JUNE, WHERE WE'RE OFFERING FREE MICROCHIPPING TO THE PUBLIC, REALLY TRYING TO MITIGATE OUR INTAKE LEVELS AND FOCUS ON INTAKE DIVERSION DURING THIS TIME. THE SECOND IMPACT WILL BE AN OWNER SURRENDER. SO THOSE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE WANTING TO RELINQUISH OWNERSHIP OF THEIR PET BACK TO THE SHELTER FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT REASONS.

DUE TO OUR LOWERED CAPACITY, THE WAIT TIME FOR THAT WILL INCREASE. NOW, WE DO CURRENTLY PRIORITIZE EMERGENCY SITUATIONS OR AGGRESSIVE ANIMALS, THAT SORT OF THING. SO WE'LL STILL MAINTAIN SPACE FOR THAT, BUT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE. YOU MAY SEE PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT LONG WAIT TIMES FOR OWNER SURRENDERS. THE WAY WE'RE ABLE TO MITIGATE THAT IS TO OFFER THEM ALTERNATIVES AND DIFFERENT RESOURCES TO REHOME THE ANIMALS ON THEIR OWN, OR POINT THEM IN THE DIRECTION OF RESOURCES IF THEY NEED FOOD ASSISTANCE, ETC. TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP OF THEIR PET. SO PHASE TWO AND THREE CONTINUED. ALSO DURING THIS TIME, AS SETH MENTIONED, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE ACCESS TO OUR CLINIC. THAT IS ANOTHER MAJOR OPERATIONAL IMPACT BECAUSE WE DO SPAY AND NEUTER ALL OF OUR ANIMALS WHEN THEY COME IN. BEFORE WE ADOPT THEM OUT. WE ALSO PROVIDE A VARIETY OF TREATMENTS TO ANIMALS THAT MAY COME IN WITH ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT CONDITIONS OR HEALTH CONCERNS. WE ARE MITIGATING THIS BY CURRENTLY WORKING AND FOCUSING ON SECURING PARTNERSHIPS AND DIFFERENT CONTRACTS WITH OTHER SERVICE PROVIDERS, SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THOSE STRONG PARTNERSHIPS AND RELATIONSHIPS PRIOR TO LOSING OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES IN-HOUSE. ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? SO LOOKING AT PHASE THREE, WHICH WILL BE ESTIMATED FOR SEPTEMBER OF 2027, WE WILL GET PHASE TWO BACK. SO THAT'S PART OF THE RENOVATED PORTION. SO WE WILL RETURN TO FULL CAPACITY OR WHAT OUR NEW CAPACITY WILL BE FOR ALL HOUSING AREAS. SO THE BIGGEST OPERATIONAL ISSUE THAT WILL CONTINUE DURING PHASE THREE WILL JUST BE THE CLINIC THAT WILL STILL BE OFFLINE. SO WE'LL NEED TO MAINTAIN THOSE PARTNERSHIPS AND THOSE CONTRACTS. AND THEN LOOKING FINALLY AT NOVEMBER OF 2027, WE THROW A BIG PARTY BECAUSE WE HAVE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION OF OUR FACILITY AND WE REGAIN ACCESS TO OUR FULL FACILITY AND

RESUME FULL OPERATIONS. AND WE'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REPRESENTATIVE, DISTRICT TWO. >> THANK YOU. FIRST, LET ME START OFF WITH BETWEEN YOU AND SETH. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE STRUCTURE OF THE PHASING AND THE PLANS. IT'S CLEAR YOU'RE PUTTING A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THE ISSUES AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT THROUGH BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH TO JUGGLE WITH THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS THAT YOU HAVE OUT THERE. SO, SO LET ME GET TO THAT. YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT YOU HAVE BOTH HOUSING CAPACITY, NOT SO MUCH IN CATS, BUT, BUT IN DOGS ESPECIALLY, AND, AND VET CAPACITY. AND THAT YOU'RE ARRANGING FOR PARTNERS. DO WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE PARTNERSHIPS LINED UP OR IS THAT STILL IN

PROCESS? >> A COMBINATION OF BOTH. WE ACTUALLY JUST BROUGHT TO COUNCIL ON THE 24TH, THE PREQUALIFIED VETERINARY SERVICES. AND SO WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING TO SECURE CONTRACTS WITH A LOT OF OUR PROVIDERS, JUST CONTRACTS BETWEEN US AND THE CITY WITHOUT A THIRD PARTY INVOLVED SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.

SO IN ADDITION TO THOSE, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT SPAY NEUTER, NETWORK OPERATION KINDNESS.

SOME OF THE OTHER MAJOR PLAYERS WITHIN THE ANIMAL WELFARE COMMUNITY TO TO HELP WITH THAT AS WELL. SO, SO IT'S KIND OF A CREATIVE COMBINATION OF ALL OF THEM. BUT YES, WE ARE CURRENTLY

WORKING ON IT. >> AND SO SORT OF CAN YOU PROVIDE A LITTLE COLOR CONCEPTUALLY TOWARDS AND I KNOW YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO WORK WITH MARCOM TO TO DESCRIBE THIS TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT CAN YOU PUT A HIGH LEVEL HOW, HOW YOU THINK DURING THESE THAT PHASE TWO AND PHASE TWO, BEGINNING OF PHASE THREE WHERE THE DISRUPTION HAPPENS, WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR THE AVERAGE DENT NIGHT IN TERMS OF ARE WE GOING TO HAVE VETS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT WE ARE TAKING ANIMALS TO? AND HOW CAN YOU PROVIDE A LITTLE COLOR FOR

THOSE SORT OF THAT STAGING AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT? >> ARE YOU ARE YOU SAID PHASE TWO TO PHASE THREE? DO YOU MEAN LIKE PHASE ONE TO PHASE TWO WHERE WE'RE STARTING WHATEVER.

>> I MAY HAVE HAD. THE PHRASING WRONG. WHENEVER WE START LOSING CAPACITY IN STORAGE AND

VETERINARY CAPACITY. >> SO I THINK WE START NOW BEFORE AS WE'RE BEFORE WE LOSE ACCESS AND THE C IN THE CURRENT FACILITY IS WE'RE FOCUSING ON MICROCHIPPING.

YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT TWO NEWSLETTERS, WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON MICROCHIPPING, RIGHT? SO HOW DO WE START GETTING PEOPLE GEARED UP TO FOR US TO LOSE CAPACITY? AND THEN WE TRAIN AND FOCUS ON RETURN TO OWNERS IN THE FIELD? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING ANIMALS BACK TO THEIR OWNERS BEFORE THEY END UP IN THE SHELTER? AND SO IT WILL BE A COMBINATION OF WORKING WITH THEM. WITH MARKHAM ON THE BEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE THAT OUT. WE DON'T HAVE A FULLY FLESHED PLAN YET FOR DOING THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK ON AND SHARE WITH COUNCIL BEFORE IT GOES OUT. BUT IT WILL BE IT WILL BE MORE KEEPING ANIMALS TOGETHER AND KEEPING THEM OUT OF THE SHELTER. OBVIOUSLY.

>> THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. AND YES, ABSOLUTELY. PLEASE COMMUNICATE WITH WITH COUNCIL AND MARKHAM. AND I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A SITUATION WHERE SURPRISES TO THE COMMUNITY ARE ARE GOING TO BE THE WORST THING. AND IF YOU CAN HAVE MORE MARKHAM EVENTS AND MORE MORE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SO THAT THERE'S MORE UNDERSTANDING, FEWER SURPRISES,

I THINK IT'LL GO A LOT SMOOTHER. >> AND WE SHOULD HAVE THE CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO GET MORE OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY. WE WILL HAVE MORE BANDWIDTH WITHIN OUR OUR OFFICES TO GO DO THOSE EDUCATIONAL EVENTS, THOSE COMMUNITY EVENTS, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE LIMITED CAPACITY, WE'RE NOT PROVIDING DAILY CARE FOR AS MANY ANIMALS SO THEY CAN FOCUS ON RETURN TO OWNER IN THE FIELD, EDUCATIONAL EVENTS OUT AT DIFFERENT VARIOUS COMMUNITY GROUPS, SCHOOLS. ET CETERA. AND

SO REALLY HIT HARD THE INTAKE DIVERSION. >> AND LAST QUESTION. I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST THERE'S BEEN SOME EXPLORATION WITHOUT ANY CONCRETE PLANS ABOUT MOBILE ACTIVITIES. DO WE ANTICIPATE THE USE OF MOBILE ACTIVITIES DURING THESE PHASES, OR THAT'S

NOT REALLY SOMETHING WE'RE EXPLORING. >> WE WOULD LOVE TO, IF WE COULD FIND $400,000 TO BUY A MOBILE UNIT. SO IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PUT THAT UP, THEN SURE, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT. THERE ARE DIFFERENT PARTNERS. SPAY NEUTER NETWORK. OPERATION KINDNESS ALSO HAS A A MOBILE UNIT THAT THEY CAN BRING UP HERE. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT

WE CAN EXPLORE WITH THEM ALSO. >> ALL RIGHT, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU NIKKI.

>> ANYONE ELSE QUESTIONS REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE.

>> PUT ME DOWN FOR ENCOURAGING YOU ALSO TO WORK WITH WITH OPERATION KINDNESS. THEY DO.

THEY DO GREAT WORK. GREAT WORK. SO JUST A COUPLE LOGISTICS QUESTIONS. HOW MUCH OF THE PARKING LOT ARE YOU GOING TO YIELD? AT LEAST INITIALLY? AND I ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THE VOLUNTEERS ARE ELDERLY. SO HOW MUCH, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE WE GOING TO

BE USING DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS? >> I'M NOT SURE. BUT WE DO HAVE

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MITIGATION EFFORTS THAT WAY. >> IS IT TOO MUCH TROUBLE TO PULL UP THE MAP AND JUST KIND

OF SHOW ME. >> THIS MIGHT BE THE BEST AREA TO SHOW. SO THIS IS THE GRASS SPACE AREA ON THE SIDE. IT'S EASY TO PULL OFF THERE. AND THEN THIS IS THE PARKING IN THE BACK FOR SHELTER STAFF. SO WE, WE PUSH SHELTER STAFF BACK THERE. AND THEN WE COULD PUT

OTHER PEOPLE IN THE AREA AND MAKE MAKE IT WORK. >> SO IDEALLY YOU MIGHT MAKE A

TEMPORARY ENTRANCE. THEN IN ORDER TO GET THERE. >> I DON'T I'M NOT SURE WE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL LOSE THIS SPACE BECAUSE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE STAGING IS GOING TO BE FURTHER OFF TO THE BACK SIDE, IN BETWEEN THE DOG PARK AND THE FACILITY.

>> YEAH, THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE THERE. OKAY. AND SO SECOND, PERHAPS FINAL QUESTION.

I KNOW THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT WHEN PHASE TWO COMES, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO DAILY, DAILY ACTIVITIES. SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. YOU WALK IN THE DOOR, YOU TURN LEFT, YOU GO TO THE CONFERENCE ROOM AND YOU HAVE THE FENCED IN PLAY AREA. IS

THAT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE? INITIALLY, YES. >> DURING PHASE ONE? YES.

>> WHERE WILL. WHERE WILL ANIMALS GO WHILE YOU'RE CLEANING THE CAGES?

>> SO DURING THAT TIME, WE WILL HAVE TEMPORARY KENNELS. SO RIGHT NOW WE WORKED WITH FACILITIES TO PUT UP SOME TEMPORARY KENNELS, KNOWING THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RELOCATE THOSE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION. SO WE'LL PICK THOSE UP AND WE'LL MOVE THEM INTO THE GREEN SPACES OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY. SO ALL ALONG THE STAFF PARKING INSIDE THE COMPOUND, THERE'S SOME GRASS SPACES AND WE'LL SET UP KENNELS INSIDE THERE.

>> TEMPORARY KENNELS, AS IN IT'S JUST A KENNEL. >> IT'S NOT A POP UP. IT'S A LITTLE BIT HEAVIER DUTY THAN THAT. WE BOUGHT IT FROM TRACTOR SUPPLY. THEY'RE ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER. THEY'RE STABLE. THEY'RE NOT LIKE LITTLE POP UP KENNELS. WE CURRENTLY USE THEM NOW, BUT THEY'RE ABLE TO BE PICKED UP AND RELOCATED. THEY'RE NOT CEMENTED INTO THE

GROUND. >> SO WILL THE DOGS HAVE HOW MUCH FREEDOM WILL THEY HAVE TO

RUN AND PLAY? >> IT'LL BE SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAVE NOW. WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE THAT OUR VOLUNTEER PROGRAM HAS GROWN SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THE LAST YEAR. WITH THE ADDITION OF OUR NEW VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR, I THINK WE HAVE AN AVERAGE SOMEWHERE AROUND 800 PLUS HOURS OF VOLUNTEER SERVICE A MONTH. AND SO WE GET VOLUNTEERS THAT COME AND WALK DOGS DAILY, AND THEY GET A LOT OF ENRICHMENT THAT WAY. AND SO WE'LL WE'LL HAVE THAT CONTINUE.

THEY WALK THEM OUT ONTO THE TRAILS. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO TAKE THEM BACK INTO THE GREEN SPACE BACK HERE. WE WILL I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE A FENCED IN AREA OF ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE THAT WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE THE ANIMALS OUT TOO. AND WE STILL HAVE THE SMALL YARD THAT WE'LL

BE ABLE TO TAKE THE ANIMALS INTO AS WELL. >> OKAY, SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WHAT YOU'RE LOSING IN PLAY SPACE, YOU'RE MAKING UP FOR IN VOLUNTEERS,

WALKING THE DOGS AND INTERACTING WITH THEM. >> I THINK BOTH A COMBINATION

OF BOTH. >> OKAY. I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU ALL JUST CONTINUE TO BE MINDFUL OF. YEAH, THE PARKING SPACES, PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE ELDERLY FOLKS WHO WANT TO COME AND VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME, MAKE SURE THEY HAVE EASE OF GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE THOSE FOLKS DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. SO

THANKS FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE. TAKING CARE OF THE SHELTER. >> ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM.

>> I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANKS FOR ALL OF THE. CLEARLY YOU ALL HAVE DISCUSSED THIS FOR A WHILE, FIGURING OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT PROBLEMS COULD OCCUR, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MITIGATE IT? AND I CAN TELL YOU ALL HAVE THOUGHT IT THROUGH. I HOPE IT GOES WELL. I KNOW THINGS AREN'T PERFECT.

SOMETHING'S PROBABLY GOING TO GO WRONG, BUT I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT AND THE TIME YOU ALL HAVE PUT INTO IT. I'M PRETTY SURE I'M GOING TO BE REVISITING THIS PRESENTATION AS THIS PROCEEDS TO REFRESH MYSELF. AS THINGS ARE POPPING UP, I'M GOING TO BE LIKE, OH, THEY THOUGHT OF THAT, YOU KNOW, AND HERE'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT

YOU PUT INTO THIS. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE SEEING NONE. DO WE? SO THIS CONSTRUCTION QUESTION. FIRST, CAN YOU ORIENT ME ON THIS ON THIS SLIDE? THE WHERE'S THE FRONT OF THE

EXISTING BUILDING? >> SO LET ME JUMP TO THE FLOOR PLAN. SO THE CURRENT FRONT OF

THE EXISTING BUILDING IS HERE, RIGHT. >> SO IF WE GO BACK TO THE OTHER SLIDE, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS?

>> THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE RIGHT HERE. >> GOT IT. AND SO YOU'RE TELLING ME. CERTAINLY YOU'VE DONE THE MATH. HOW CLOSE DOES PHASE TWO GET TO THE DOG PARK?

>> DOES PHASE TWO GET TO THE DOG PARK? >> YEAH. BECAUSE IF THAT WHITE

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>> YEAH. SO I THINK THE DOG PARK WOULD BE BACK OVER IN THIS AREA TO THE SOUTHEAST. BUT. YES,

SIR. >> MAYBE WE CAN GO GOOGLE MAPS IS THAT I MEAN, THE DOG, IT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND THE DOOR, LIKE THE LARGER ONE BECAUSE IT'S UP ON THE ON THE HIGHWAY. SO IF

THAT'S THE FRONT DOOR, THEN THERE SHOULD BE ONE. >> ABOUT THE, THE DOG PARK.

>> YEAH. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PLAY AREA.

>> YOU KNOW. >> ABOUT THE ACTUAL DOG PARK. >> ACTUAL DOG PARK. YEAH. I'M

JUST TRYING TO SEE HOW FAR THE CONSTRUCTION GOES. >> SO WE'RE NOT LEAVING. WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE SITE OF WHERE THE ANIMAL SERVICES CENTER. SO THIS AREA HERE IS FOR DETENTION POND THAT WE HAVE TO BUILD FOR DRAINAGE PURPOSES. BUT OTHERWISE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ENCROACHING INTO THE DOG PARK AREA. SO, SO ALL OF THIS AREA CURRENTLY IS EXISTING KIND OF BACK PARKING. OKAY AT THE FACILITY THAT'S IN PLACE NOW. OKAY. YEAH. SO THIS, THIS SECTION OF CONCRETE STUFF IS NOT BEING CONSTRUCTED PER SE. IT'S JUST A PART OF THE PHASE

ONE IMPROVEMENTS. >> GOT IT. >> SO UP HERE, IF YOU WANTED TO ORIENT YOURSELF, IS ELM 77? YES. BACK HERE THIS IS THE EXISTING CONCRETE FENCE OR WALL. AND THEN THERE'S THE FIELD, WHICH IS A GOOD AT LEAST A FOOTBALL FIELD. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE THE DOG PARK. OKAY. THERE STILL. SO WE'RE NOT EXPANDING OUR FOOTPRINT INTO THAT FIELD AREA.

THERE MAY BE SOME TEMPORARY ENCROACHMENT WHEN WE HAVE THE STAGING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT THEN THAT WILL BE CLEANED UP AND RETURNED TO TO FIELD USING FIELD SPACE.

>> I'M TRACKING WITH YOU. AND THEN I JUST I JUST WANT YOU TO TAKE COPIOUS NOTES ON ON COMMUNICATION BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT GETTING EVERYONE RIGHT. SO SOMEONE'S GOING TO SAY, I DIDN'T KNOW. AND SO IT'LL JUST BE CRITICAL THAT YOU HAVE THAT HISTORICAL DATA THAT

SHOWS THAT. AND BUT I'M SORRY. SO YEAH, YEAH. >> HE GETTING OFF THAT.

>> EASY HERE. HERE'S THE THING. I AM, I AM GUN SHY ABOUT ADDING ON TO EXISTING BUILDINGS, RIGHT? BECAUSE JUST WALK OVER TO THE POLICE STATION IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY. SO MY QUESTION IS WHAT CONTINGENCIES, WHAT PLANS, WHAT I MEAN, STEP ME THROUGH WHY THE FOUNDATION ISN'T GOING

TO BUBBLE UP HERE. >> YEAH. GREAT QUESTION. AGAIN, WE'RE WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR THE AGE OF THE FACILITY WE DEALT WITH IN SOME OF THE PREVIOUS ONES. WE DID DO A LOT OF EXPLORATORY THINGS DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CHECKING A LOT OF THOSE BOXES AND MITIGATING AS MUCH RISK AS POSSIBLE. THIS RENOVATION TO, AGAIN, A LOT OF THE SPACES ARE GOING TO STAY SOMEWHAT THE SAME. WE'RE JUST RENOVATING INSIDE OF THOSE SPACES, SO WE'RE NOT AS MANY TEARING DOWN OF WALLS AND RECONFIGURING. IT'S NEW FLOORING, IT'S NEW TECH THINGS. IT'S IT'S NEW PAINT AND CEILING TILES AGAIN, TO, TO MAKE IT OPERATE BETTER. AND THEN THE NEW FACILITY IS 100% NEW. SO, SO THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO BE TOUCHED ON THAT SIDE IS, IS THIS WALL THAT WILL BE SHARED, THAT WILL COME DOWN AND

BE AN INTERNAL INSTEAD OF EXTERNAL WALL. >> GOT IT. BUT THOSE TWO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE CONCRETE IS THE RIGHT CONCRETE OR CEMENT, EITHER POWDER, THE POWDER, ONE OF THEM IS A POWDER. ONE OF THEM IS THE FINAL PRODUCT. I FORGET POWDER, CINNAMON POWDER, CONCRETE. THANK YOU. THERE YOU GO. WHAT WOULD I DO WITHOUT YOU, JUDGE? SO THEY DON'T PLAY WELL TOGETHER, RIGHT? IRRESPECTIVE OF AGE. BUT WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THOSE THINGS. YES, SIR. OKAY.

GOT IT. AND THEN. I HAD ANOTHER THOUGHT. I GOT AWAY FROM ME, BUT. OKAY. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AND SO BEFORE WE GO. SO OUR LAST THING IS CLOSED.

I JUST WANT TO GO BACK AND NOT FOR FOR STAFF TO COME BACK UP. BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION I DIDN'T GET TO ON THE FIRST ITEM. AND SO IF YOU COULD CITY MANAGER, IF YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. AND THAT'S I KNOW YOU MENTIONED WE REVISIT THE THE CONTRACT EVERY FIVE YEARS.

MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, COULD WE REVISIT THAT MORE FREQUENTLY IF WE DESIRE TO, WHICH I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ENCUMBER A FUTURE COUNCIL. BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT

BECAUSE I THINK I WANT TO EXPLORE OPTIONS TO TO MAYBE. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MERCHANT SERVICE CONTRACT. YES, WE CAN EXPLORE IT MORE FREQUENTLY THAN FIVE YEARS.

>> GOT IT. OKAY. YEAH, I JUST, I JUST MAYBE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN YOU SWITCH

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[1. Closed Meeting:]

[AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE ON TUESDAY, APRIL 7, 2026, AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED:]

YOU'RE ABLE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH

LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.

>> TO THEE. TEXAS. ONE STATE, UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. >> OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE A

[2. PROCLAMATIONS/PRESENTATIONS]

YEAH. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WELL, HERE WE'LL GO DOWN SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHO'S HERE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELVES.

>> THERE YOU GO. >> DENNIS QUALLS, ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER, WATER

UTILITIES AND STREET OPERATIONS. >> I'M STEVEN GAY, THE GENERAL MANAGER OF WATER UTILITIES AND

STREET OPERATIONS. >> OKAY. >> AND TOBIAS NELSON, FIELD

SERVICE SUPERVISOR, DRAINAGE DEPARTMENT. >> GOT IT.

>> THANK YOU. SO IF YOU COULD TELL US WHAT WE'LL RECOGNIZE. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE,

MIKE. >> MAYOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. MY NAME IS CESAR MOLINA. I AM CURRENTLY THE STATE CHAIR FOR THE AWARDS COMMITTEE FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION. WE ARE AN ORGANIZATION OF ABOUT 32,000 MEMBERS THROUGHOUT ALL 50 STATES, ABOUT SIX PROVINCES IN CANADA AND THE TERRITORY OF PUERTO RICO. SO IN TEXAS, THE TEXAS CHAPTER IS THE LARGEST CHAPTER BY MEMBERSHIP, AND. RIGHTFULLY SO. RIGHTFULLY SO, OF COURSE. WELL, EVERY YEAR WE WE HAVE AN AWARDS TO CELEBRATE THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS. THAT'S PART OF OUR OUR DUTY. WE EDUCATE AND PROVIDE SOME SOME VISIBILITY TO OUR HARD WORKING MEN AND WOMEN OUT IN OUT IN THE FIELD. SO EVERY YEAR WE REQUEST NOMINATIONS. AND THIS YEAR WE RECEIVED SOME NOMINATIONS FROM PEOPLE LOCALLY. AND I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE AWARD. THE AWARD IS THE PUBLIC WORKS IN-HOUSE PROJECT OF THE YEAR. WE HAVE AN IN-HOUSE PROJECT IS A PROJECT VERSUS A STANDARD PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT, WHICH IS ONE WHERE YOU HAVE IT'S A PUBLIC AGENCY ADMINISTERING IT, AN OUTSIDE COMPANY OR FIRM DESIGNING IT, AND AN OUTSIDE COMPANY OR CONTRACTOR BUILDING IT IN-HOUSE.

PROJECT YEAR MEANS EXACTLY THAT. IT IS DESIGNED, IT'S CONSTRUCTED WITH ONLY PERSONNEL FROM THE FROM THE ACTUAL AGENCY. SO LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE ACTUAL AWARD. THE AWARD IS THE IN-HOUSE PROJECT OF THE YEAR UNDER THE DISASTER AND EMERGENCY CONSTRUCTION CATEGORY.

THE PROJECT IS CALLED THE MISTY WOOD EMERGENCY STORM PIPE REPAIR. SO AS IT WAS PRESENTED, THE PROJECT ADDRESSED SEVERE DETERIORATION. SOME CORRUGATED METAL PIPES THAT WERE DISCOVERED DURING A ROUTINE STREET CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. THE CITY'S DRAINAGE DEPARTMENT.

MR. TOBIAS HERE, HIS CREW MANAGED TO MAKE AN EMERGENCY REPAIR IN-HOUSE, WHICH SAVED THE CITY MONEY AND MAINTAINED THE SCHEDULE OF THE LARGER RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT. THIS

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THE EMERGENCY REPAIR PROJECT OF THE YEAR AWARD. >> MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. AWESOME. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. HOLD THAT.

THANK YOU. THERE YOU GO. >> OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT RECOGNITION AND FOR EVERYONE THAT KIND OF HELPED BRING THAT TO LIGHT. AND SO WITH THAT, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR AND TO THE DECISION MAKING BODY FOR CONSIDERING AND APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION. AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR. SO WE'RE GOING TO GET A PICTURE HERE.

SLIDE IN HERE. WE'LL ALL SLIDE IN. >> OKAY. HERE WE GO. ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU AGAIN. GREAT TO SEE YOU. HEY THANK YOU I APPRECIATE IT.

[3. PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC]

>> OKAY. AND IF WE COULD PLAY THE VIDEO ON ADDRESSING COUNCIL. >> THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, INCLUDING A CODE OF CONDUCT THAT APPLIES TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBERS. THESE RULES WERE ENACTED TO PROMOTE AN ORDERLY PROCESS AND TO PRESERVE DECORUM. SPEAKERS WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE A SCHEDULED REPORT AND FOUR MINUTES TO GIVE AN OPEN MIC REPORT. A BELL WILL RING WHEN TIME HAS EXPIRED. IF THE REMARKS ARE NOT CONCLUDED BY THAT TIME, THE SPEAKER WILL BE ASKED TO STOP SPEAKING. IF THE SPEAKER DOES NOT CEASE AND A SECOND REQUEST IS MADE, THE MAYOR MAY REQUEST TO HAVE THE SPEAKER REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER. SPEAKERS SHOULD NOT APPROACH THE DAIS. IF A SPEAKER HAS MATERIALS FOR THE COUNCIL, PLEASE NOTIFY THE CITY SECRETARY IN ADVANCE FOR SCHEDULED REPORTS. THE COUNCIL MAY INITIATE DISCUSSION OR ASK QUESTIONS FOR NONSCHEDULED OPEN MIC REPORTS. THE COUNCIL MAY LISTEN, HOWEVER, BECAUSE NO NOTICE OF THE SUBJECT OF THE OPEN MIC REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC IN ADVANCE. THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS DISCUSSION OR DECISION BY THE COUNCIL ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS. AS A RESULT, THE COUNCIL MAY ONLY PROCEED AS FOLLOWS. ON NONSCHEDULED ITEMS PROPOSED TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. MAKE A STATEMENT OF FACTUAL POLICY OR A RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY. SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO DIRECT ALL REMARKS AND QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE, AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MAKING ABUSIVE, PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS. ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE MAY BE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE. COPIES OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY SECRETARY.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND OUR FIRST PUBLIC SPEAKER IS DOCTOR ABRAHAM BENAVIDEZ. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS DOCTOR ABRAHAM. DAVID BENAVIDEZ, 3008 BROKEN BOW, DENTON, TEXAS. I'M HERE TO OFFER AN INVOCATION OR AN OPENING PRAYER FOR THIS EVENING'S SESSION. I AM A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, A HIGH PRIEST IN THAT CHURCH. LET US PRAY. OUR DEAR, KIND HEAVENLY FATHER, WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO BE HERE TONIGHT AND TO BE ABLE TO COMMENCE THESE MEETINGS. WE ASK THE HEAVENLY

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WE'RE GRATEFUL, HEAVENLY FATHER, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THOU HAS ALLOWED US TO LIVE IN THIS GREAT COUNTRY WHERE WE HAVE FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND BE ABLE TO EXPRESS OURSELVES IN A GOOD WAY, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THINGS COME OUT RIGHT FOR OUR COMMUNITIES.

HEAVENLY FATHER, PLEASE HELP US. WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE LIVE IN TROUBLED TIMES AND THINGS ARE DIFFICULT, BUT HERE LOCALLY, WE ASK YOU TO BLESS US THAT WE MIGHT DO THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE IMPORTANT FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS. WE ASK A BLESSING UPON ALL THOSE THAT PARTICIPATE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, THAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO CARRY OUT THE WISHES OF THE PEOPLE. IN THE

NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. AMEN. AMEN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS KATHLEEN DAVIS. IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

>> HI, MY NAME IS KATHLEEN DAVIS. I LIVE AT 2620 PICCADILLY LANE. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE CHANCE TO SPEAK TODAY. I'VE BEEN LIVING AT THAT ADDRESS SINCE MY HUSBAND AND I.

JOHNNY, WHO'S HERE WITH ME TONIGHT, GOT MARRIED IN 1998 AND I WAS BORN IN DENTON IN 1973. AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE PICTURE ON THE SCREEN, I LIVE DIRECTLY OPPOSITE WHERE THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN, WHICH IS AT THE CORNER OF SHERMAN AND HERCULES, AND USED TO BE A PROPERTY OWNED BY THE JENNINGS FAMILY THAT WAS FILLED WITH HORSES AND COWS AT VARIOUS TIMES WHEN THE SHERMAN CROSSING NEIGHBORHOOD WENT IN IN 2019, THEY DESIGNED A DETENTION POND, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO FILL WITH WATER WHEN IT RAINS A LOT AND THEN QUICKLY DRAIN AND AND, PER USUAL, DETENTION POND FASHION. THERE'S A SMALL OUTLET AT THE END WHICH ALLOWS THE WATER TO DRAIN AWAY. HOWEVER, WHEN IT WAS DESIGNED, IT WAS PROBABLY DESIGNED JUST TO ACCOMMODATE THE WATER FROM THE SHERMAN CROSSING AREA, AND IT QUICKLY HAS BECOME OVERWHELMED AROUND THE LAST TWO YEARS. WHAT WE NOTICED AS AS WATER AND SEDIMENT WERE RETAINED AFTER RAINS, POND HABITAT EMERGED, BEAVERS BUILT DAMS. BEAVERS ATTRACTED A LOT OF ATTENTION.

MIGRATORY BIRDS CAME ALSO WITH THE SIDEWALK SURROUNDING THE AREA. IT'S BECOME A NATURAL AREA WHERE THE NEIGHBORS COME AND THEY RECREATE. THEY WALK. THEY RIDE BIKES WHEN THERE IS WATER IN IT. THEY WERE ACTUALLY FISHING AND CATCHING AND SLEDDING IN THE WINTER. HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A DETENTION POND. WHEN CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT GOT WIND OF THIS, THEY WENT AHEAD AND NOTIFIED THE HOA THAT THE DETENTION POND WAS NON-COMPLIANT AND THE HOA RESPONDED FIRST BY TRYING TO MOW WHEN IT WAS DRY, AS IT SOMETIMES WAS IN DROUGHT. THEN WHEN IT WAS FILLED WITH WATER, THEY DISPERSED HERBICIDE VIA DRONES USING A COMPANY THEY HIRED, WHICH WITHOUT NOTIFICATION OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS WHO'VE BEEN THERE. AS I SAID, SINCE 1998, IT CAUSED A LARGE CATTAIL DECAY AND A BIG ALGAE BLOOM, WHICH SMELLED A LOT AND WAS UNPLEASANT BECAUSE, AS I SAID, MY DRIVEWAY IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS AREA.

THE POND WAS DRAINED AND MOWED SEVERAL TIMES, AND IN THAT PROCESS IT BECAME AN EYESORE AND A DANGER TO PUBLIC HEALTH. AND MY SONS AND I WERE OUT THERE WALKING ALONG AND NOTICED DOZENS OF FISH THAT WERE DEAD, WHICH SMELLED FOR MANY WEEKS. THEY'RE ALSO MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF TRASH, AND REALLY, IT'S ONLY ME AND MY KIDS THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVING THE TRASH. WE'VE ALSO NOTICED SINCE WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS THAT THERE'S LARGE NUMBERS OF MOSQUITOES THAT WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY PRESENT. SINCE THIS HAS HAPPENED, THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN UNDERTAKEN TO DO THIS HAVE NOT CONTROLLED THE STREET FLOODING. THAT'S GOTTEN WORSE. AND THE COST IS REPORTEDLY IN THE TENS OF THOUSANDS AND ONGOING FOR THE HOA. IT'S ALSO CREATED THIS MUD PIT FOR US. AND AS I SAID, THERE ARE MANY NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA THAT WERE NOT PART OF THE HOA AND HAVE NO VOICE IN WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS PROPERTY. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE POND AND THIS IS ALL THE AREA. AND THIS IS INCLUDES THE RUNOFF FROM THE C, H, COLLINS AND PARKING LOT. ALL RUN THROUGH THIS DRAINAGE DITCH DOWN TO THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY FROM US. SO IT DOESN'T ACCEPT THAT CAPACITY. WE GOT TIRED OF IT. WE REALLY DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS HOA OWNED.

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WE CHRIS WATTS CAME. OUR FRIEND DALTON GREGORY CAME. IT WAS COVERED BY THE RECORD CHRONICLE, AND WE HAD OVER 70 IN ATTENDANCE WHO WERE GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF POND BEAUTIFICATION AND A FUNCTIONING GREEN SPACE. HOWEVER, AND I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR INTO THIS. WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT IN CONVERSATION WITH CITY STAFF AFTER THE MEETING, THE COST OF A RETENTION POND, WHICH IS WHAT WE PROPOSED, WAS COST PROHIBITIVE. BRIAN BECK FOLLOWED UP WITH OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, WHO VERIFIED THAT THEIR DEPARTMENT WEREN'T THREATENING FINES TO THE HOA, AND THE CITY WAS OPEN TO COLLABORATIVE SOLUTIONS FOR

MANAGING THE BASIN. THAT'S THE END OF MY PART. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER, JAMIE BAXTER. SLY, CAN YOU GIVE YOUR NAME? YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME AND SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT. MY NAME IS DOCTOR JAMIE BAXTER AND I WORK AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS. I DON'T HAVE A HOUSE IN DENTON. I LIVE OVER IN AUBREY. BUT THE REASON WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT IS TO TALK TO YOU.

ABOUT WHAT? OUR PROPOSED SOLUTION. SO MY EXPERTISE IS HELPING MUNICIPALITIES COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS. SO SOMETHING CALLED BGP OR BLUE GREEN SOLUTIONS. AND SO HERE WHEN YOU HAVE THIS DETENTION AREA, WHEN THE HOA HIRES THIS COMPANY TO TAKE AWAY ALL THE CATTAILS AND ALL OF THE WATER, IT STERILIZES EVERYTHING, THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN LIVE AND EVERYTHING DIES. AND IT'S A VERY BORING PLACE THAT LOOKS HIDEOUS. SO WHAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT DOING AND BRAND RICHTER WAS ABLE TO SPEAK WITH THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A RETENTION POND AT THAT TIME, SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU COULD FISH, BUT THAT WAS GOING TO BE TOO COST PROHIBITIVE. AND SO THEN WE STARTED THINKING ABOUT BIOSWALES. AND SO BIOSWALE IS JUST A FANCY TERM FOR LIKE A VERY SHALLOW AREA THAT DOES NOT HOLD AS MUCH WATER AS A RETENTION POND, BUT STILL ALLOWS SOME FISH, SOME REALLY BEAUTIFUL AQUATIC PLANTS. AND ACTUALLY UNT HAS BEEN REALLY GREAT AT LEARNING HOW TO GROW THESE NATIVE AQUATIC PLANTS FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS LIKE CORINTH AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. AND SO WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING IS AN AREA THAT YOU WOULD STILL HAVE SOME LIFE. IT WOULD BE A CENTERPIECE OF CONVERSATION NOT ONLY FOR THE SHERMAN CROSSING, BUT ALSO THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ACROSS THE STREET. IT WOULD NOT BE STERILE, BUT IT WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL AND IT WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE. SO THIS IS KIND OF A RENDERING. THIS IS FROM TARA REGIONAL WATER DISTRICT. SO THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE. BUT I'LL SHOW YOU A PAPER IN A SECOND THAT IT'S ACTUALLY LESS EXPENSIVE THAN LIKE A, LIKE PAVEMENT OR LIKE A DETENTION POND BECAUSE IT DOESN'T TAKE AS MUCH MAINTENANCE. THERE'S NOT AS MUCH MOWING THAT HAPPENS. AND SO YOU HAVE DIFFERENT KINDS OF ROCK STRUCTURES ALLOWING DIFFERENT ECOLOGICAL NICHES. THIS IS GOING TO CAPTURE WATER AND POLISH IT. IT REMOVES A LOT OF POLLUTANTS BEFORE IT HEADS DOWNSTREAM. IT ALSO HELPS TAKE IN PARTICULATES FROM THE AIR, WHICH RAISES THE AIR QUALITY FOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS. AND, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WILDLIFE, IT'S GREAT FOR THAT TOO. THESE PLANTS ARE BEAUTIFUL. THEY ADD POPS OF COLOR TO. SO IT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT AND REALLY APPRECIATE.

HERE IS A PAPER THAT TALKS ABOUT THE COST EFFECTIVENESS. AND SO YOU GET A LOT OF BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. YOU ACTUALLY SAVE MONEY BY INSTALLING THESE. AND IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHO COULD DO THE MAINTENANCE, I'VE GOT 4 OR 500 ECOLOGY MAJORS RARING TO GO. AND IN FACT, WE DO THIS ALL ACROSS I-35. WE HELP DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES SUCH AS CORINTH AND GRAND PRAIRIE DO PROJECTS JUST LIKE THIS. AND SO T.W. ALSO HAS A BRAND NEW ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE PROGRAM.

THEY'RE ON BOARD. KELLY ALBERTS, THIS IS HER SPECIALTY. IT'S MY SPECIALTY. AND WE'RE READY TO HELP. SO WHEN WE REACHED OUT TO THE HOA, THEY DECLINED A MEETING WITH US. AND SO THERE'S BEEN A COMPLETE LACK OF COMMUNICATION. I CAN'T REACH THEM. AND SO THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK TO US UNTIL AFTER THE DETENTION POND RECONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE. BUT IT GOES FURTHER THAN THIS. WE REALLY FEEL THAT DENTON NEEDS LIKE ANOTHER MECHANISM TO ADDRESS THESE KINDS OF ISSUES, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO JUST BE SHERMAN CROSSING THAT HAS THIS ISSUE. IT'S GOING TO BE OTHER AREAS. SO WE PROVIDED A LIST HERE, AND BECAUSE I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME, I JUST WANT TO MENTION THE JB DENTON COLLEGE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS ABLE TO SECURE DIFFERENT PARKLANDS THROUGH THEIR OWN MEANS TO HELP REALLY BEAUTIFY THEIR AREA. SO

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THANK YOU. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS SHEILA PETERSON. YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. THANK YOU.

>> HELLO COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M SHELLEY PETERSON. I LIVE AT 3827 STEWART DRIVE, AND I'M HERE TO. TO PUT IN OUR FIRST REQUEST TO YOU, WHICH IS TO PLEASE CONSIDER A TWO MINUTE PITCH TO ALLOW COMBINING CITY AND PRIVATE FUNDS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD GREEN SPACE SOLUTIONS WITH BROADER COMMUNITY POSITIVE IMPACT. OUR SECOND REQUEST TO YOU IS TO PLEASE CONSIDER BUYING THE ADJACENT VACANT PARCEL ON POINSETTIA BOULEVARD, NORTH OF EAST SHERMAN DRIVE AND HERCULES BASIN TO BUILD A COMMUNITY GREEN SPACE AND PLAYGROUND.

THIS AREA COULD BE CREATED WITH SYDNEY FUNDS PLUS RESOURCES, IN-KIND SUPPORT BY UNT, TWU AND LOCAL ORGS. SO WHY CONSIDER OUR REQUEST? HERCULES PARK IS NOTEWORTHY IN THAT SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN SUMMER OF 2025, IT CONTINUES TO SUSTAIN COMMUNITY WIDE SUPPORT. WE HAD 200 PLUS SIGNATURES IN OUR ORIGINAL PETITION FOR REESTABLISHING THE POND HABITAT, WITH NEARLY 70 ATTENDEES AT OUR NOVEMBER 2025 TOWN HALL MEETING, AND THIS MONTH AND LAST, WE CANVASED MULTIPLE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH CONSENSUS FOR GREEN SPACE SOLUTIONS. A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WOULD ESTABLISH A PATHWAY FOR DENTON NEIGHBORHOODS TO BUILD INNOVATIVE, COST EFFECTIVE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE BY COMBINING PUBLIC AND PRIVATE FUNDS. AND THIS WOULD HELP LOCAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE LARGER COMMUNITY. AND IN TERMS OF FUNDING, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A BRAND NEW MECHANISM. THIS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT GRANTS THAT THE CITY ALREADY OFFERS. ANOTHER RELATED EXAMPLE IS THE LEWISVILLE PROPERTY ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH ALLOWS RESIDENTS TO USE CITY MONIES TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR HOME, ALBEIT THESE HAVE BEEN LIMITED TO PUBLIC LAND AND SINGLE RESIDENTS RESPECTIVELY. OUR PROPOSAL REQUESTS WIDENING THAT APPLICATION TO INCLUDE QUASI PUBLIC LAND SUCH AS HOA PROPERTIES. EVEN THOUGH THIS NORTH DENTON AREA, ESTABLISHED IN THE 1960S, HAS NEVER HAD A WALKABLE PARK, NEWER NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE PAID PARK DEDICATION AND DEVELOPMENT FEES WITH NO TANGIBLE RESULTS. THIS ADJACENT PARK MAY HELP MAKE SHERMAN CROSSING HOA MORE AGREEABLE, AGREEABLE TO COLLABORATIVE IMPLEMENTATION OF A BEAUTIFIED CREEK IN THE EAST SHERMAN DRIVE AND HERCULES BASIN, WITH STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND BEAUTIFICATION BENEFITS THAT EXTEND REGIONALLY.

SO IN CONCLUSION, COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE EMPHASIZE THAT OUR PROPOSAL IS COST EFFECTIVE. IT WOULD POOL EXISTING RESOURCES FOR LONG TERM ECONOMIC, PUBLIC HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS WITH NO NEED TO BUILD INITIATIVES FROM THE GROUND UP. MOREOVER, IT IS VETTED WITH THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND OUR SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSIONERS. AND SO WITH THAT, WE ALSO HAVE FRIENDS HERE WEARING GREEN CITIZENS. COULD YOU PLEASE STAND TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE HERCULES HERCULES PARK PROJECT? THANK

YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. WE HAVE ONE.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE. >> THANKS, MAYOR.

>> JUST A QUESTION TO TO YOU, MA'AM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, COULD YOU JUST SPOKE? HAVE YOU ALL AS A AS A GROUP, AS A NEIGHBORHOOD DISCUSSED KIND OF A DOLLAR AMOUNT, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE CITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO A FUND LIKE THIS. HAVE YOU GOTTEN THAT FAR IN THE PROCESS?

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>> NO. >> OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. >> WE JUST WANTED TO OPEN UP

THE PATHWAY TO START THAT CONVERSATION. >> I APPRECIATE IT. THIS WAS THIS IS A WELL VETTED PRESENTATION. I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN THERE.

SO I WANTED TO ASK THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

TWO. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M NOT. I GUESS I'LL ASK SHELLEY SINCE SHE WAS THE LAST TO SPEAK. BUT DO WE. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM FROM THIS AREA THAT SINCE THE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS REGION, THAT THIS THE STREET FLOODING HAS, HAS CHANGED. CAN CAN SOME OF YOU THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA COMMENT ON ON THE LEVELS OF STREET FUNDING? WELL,

UNFORTUNATELY. >> THE ANSWER. >> IS. WELL, FIRST YOU GOT, YOU GOT YOU COME TO THE YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE MIC. SO A MILLION PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING CAN HEAR YOU. BUT GIVE ME JUST ONE MINUTE. GIVE ME GIVE ME JUST ONE MINUTE.

>> OKAY. >> YEAH. JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE LIMITED ON WHAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HERCULES PARK PROJECT, THE STREET.

>> FLOODING RIGHT AROUND THE PARK. >> WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO

WITH THE PARK? >> IT HAS TO DO WITH THE DRAINAGE THAT THE THE CITIZENS

ARE ADDRESSING. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. GO, GO, GO RIGHT AHEAD.

>> OKAY. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER BECK, THE ANSWER IS YES, BECAUSE PARTICULARLY FOR NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE IN THE OLDER AREAS LIKE ROYAL ACRES, HAVE EXPERIENCED FLOODING LIKE THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN, AND IN FACT, BY THEIR ACCOUNTS, THERE WAS NO ISSUE OF FLOODING UNTIL THE SHERMAN CROSSING NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE THE DETENTION POND, WHICH IS STILL REALLY NOT FUNCTIONING. THERE WAS NO FLOODING UNTIL THAT TIME AND THAT THE

DETENTION POND WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED IN 2019. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE

IT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO OUR NEXT SPEAKER, GREG F U E S S. I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT WRONG. YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

>> RIGHT. GREG, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. I'M HERE TO VOICE A CONCERN ABOUT THE CONCRETING, THE CINDER PATHS AT NORTH LAKES PARK. IT APPEARS TO BE A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST, AS IT SEEMS LIKE THE SOLUTION IS THE PROBLEM. THE CITY PARKS DIRECTOR SAID IN AN EMAIL TO ME TODAY THAT THE.

CONCRETE, TEN FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK CONNECTS A GRAMMAR SCHOOL TO THE CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND, AND YET THE EXISTING CINDER TRACK PROVIDES THAT ACCESS. HE SAID IT WAS 88 COMPLIANT, AND YET THE CINDER TRACK. SO 88 COMPLIANCE REQUIRES A FIRM, STABLE AND SLIP RESISTANT SURFACE. THE CINDER TRACKS PROVIDE THAT ADA COMPLIANCE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHILE THEY AREN'T A COMMON SIGHT ON THE TRAILS AT NORTH LAKES PARK, I HAVE SEEN ON OCCASION PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS ENJOYING THOSE TRAILS. BUT THE CORE CONSISTS. CONSTITUENCY FOR THE TRAILS AT NORTH LAKE PARK'S IS WALKERS AND RUNNERS, AND THAT'S WHERE THIS CONCRETE SURFACE IS, POSES A SERIOUS CONCERN. IT IS CONCRETE IS THE HARDEST SURFACE YOU'LL EVER WALK OR RUN ON AND CONTRIBUTES TO STRESS FRACTURES, PLANTAR FASCIITIS, SHIN SPLINTS, ACHILLES TENDINITIS, RUNNER'S KNEE, ILIOTIBIAL BAND SYNDROME, TO CAUSED BY CONCRETE SURFACES TO TO THE RUNNING PUBLIC, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE HAS BEEN NO PUBLIC NOTICE OR PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE PAVING OF THAT OF THOSE TRAILS AND. NO DISCERNIBLE BENEFIT THAT THAT THE CONCRETE SIDEWALK PROVIDES AN OBVIOUS DETRIMENT TO TO THE CORE CONSTITUENTS OF THE OF THE TRAIL. SO I'M ASKING THAT WE PUT AN IMMEDIATE HALT TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE SIDEWALKS, AND WE REMOVE WHAT CONCRETE HAS BEEN PLACED. IT'S JUST BEEN A, IT'S A BAD IDEA. AND IT DISSERVICES THE THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE TRAILS MOST. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE. IT. TAKES US TO OUR LAST SPEAKER, DANA ZELTNER. IF

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YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO DO.

WHEN I RETIRED IN 2015, I BEGAN GOING WITH A FRIEND TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER TO WALK DOGS. AT THE TIME, THE SHELTER WAS UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. NOT SURE WHAT YEAR IT WAS THAT THE CITY DECIDED TO MOVE THE SHELTER TO CUSTOMER SERVICE, BUT IT WAS A GOOD DECISION. BY THAT TIME, MY FRIEND MOVED AND I DECIDED I WAS TOO OLD, LITTLE AND SOFT HEARTED TO WALK DOGS BY MYSELF. THEREFORE, I SWITCHED TO WASHING BLANKETS AND TOWELS.

BEING IN THE HALL BY THE STRAY DOGS, I HAD TIME TO OBSERVE THAT IN ADDITION TO CLEANING KENNELS AND WALKING, THE STAFF WAS ALSO WORKING ON HELPING SOCIALIZE THE STRAYS. IN ADDITION TO TAKING TIME TO OBSERVE THE TEMPERAMENTS OF THE ANIMALS IN ORDER TO HELP THEM BE READY TO BE ADOPTED. WHILE I WAS THERE ONLY ONCE A WEEK, I SAW HOW HARD IT IS TO KEEP UP WITH THE NEEDS OF ALL THE ANIMALS THAT CAME THROUGH THE DOORS. STAFF WAS ALWAYS IN CONSTANT MOTION. PRETTY SURE THE ONLY TIME THEY EVER SAT DOWN WAS LUNCH. IT DIDN'T TAKE LONG TO REALIZE I WAS NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO WALK OUT WITH ALL THE LAUNDRY DONE. MOST OF THE TIME IT WAS PILED UP WHEN I GOT THERE, AND I COULD ALWAYS TELL WHEN A WASHER OR DRYER WAS DOWN, BECAUSE THOSE DAYS, THE LAUNDRY WOULD BE ON THE FLOOR, CLEAR TO THE COUNTERTOPS. SOMETIMES. NEAR THE END OF LAST YEAR, I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS MORE STAFF THAN USUAL. IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO FIND OUT. THANKS TO COLLABORATION BETWEEN KEN TASH FROM OUR DAILY BREAD AND STAFF MEMBERS MORGAN STUMBAUGH AND NICKI CISNEROS, THE CITY MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR THE SHELTER TO HAVE CLIENTS FROM OUR DAILY BREAD COME IN THE MORNING TO HELP WITH THE NEEDS OF THE STAFF. I'VE BEEN VOLUNTEERING SINCE THE END OF 2015, AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME EVER THAT MY LAUNDRY ROOM FLOOR HAD BEEN MOPPED WHILE I WAS THERE. NOW ALL THE KENNELS ARE CLEAN, ALL THE DOGS WALKED AND CATS ARE CARED FOR. ALMOST BEFORE THE END OF MY DAY. IN ADDITION, STAFF HAS TIME TO EFFECTIVELY FIGURE OUT HOW TO UTILIZE OUR TWO SMALL SPACE AND THE SHELTER HAS NEVER BEEN SO ORGANIZED. IN ADDITION TO HELPING THE ANIMALS, THE CITY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB HELPING OUR UNDERSERVED POPULATION. I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT THE DAILY BREAD STAFF IS HARD WORKING, HAPPY, AND HELPFUL. I'VE ALREADY PASSED ALONG THAT I'D FEEL HONORED TO WRITE A JOB RECOMMENDATION FOR SEVERAL OF THEM THAT I WORK WITH AND AROUND. THEIR WORK ETHIC AND ENTHUSIASM IS A REAL TESTAMENT TO HOW POSITIVE THIS PROGRAM IS. THANK YOU FOR GREENLIGHTING THIS ENDEAVOR. IT'S A WINNER AND I'M SORRY I'M GOING TO GET WEEPY, BUT IT HAS BEEN SUCH A HUGE HELP. SO THANK YOU ALL AND I HOPE YOU CONTINUE

THIS PROGRAM. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE THAT

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

I'LL TAKE A MOTION. MAYOR PRO TEM. >> I'LL MOTION APPROVAL.

>> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. >> SO SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS ITEM FIVE,

[A. DCA26-0001a Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, amending the Denton Development Code Subchapter 2 Section 2.12 Affordability Incentive Procedures; amendments include but are not limited to Subsection 2.12.4, Procedure, removing the Right of First Refusal requirement; Subsection 2.12.6, Affordability Incentive Qualifications, clarifying application to developments with 19 or fewer units; Table 2.12-B, adjusting qualifications to reflect prevailing market rates and make incentives easier to access; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; and providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted [5-0] to recommend approval of the amendment. Motion for approval by Commissioner Ketchersid and second by Commissioner Riggs. (DCA26-0001, Affordability Incentives, Leia Atkinson).]

SUBSECTION 2.12.4. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS LEAH ATKINSON. I SERVE AS THE HOUSING PROGRAMS COORDINATOR ON THE COMMUNITY SERVICES TEAM. A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, STAFF BROUGHT FORWARD A PROPOSITION FOR A NEW AFFORDABILITY INCENTIVE PROGRAM TO BE HOUSED IN SECTION 212 OF THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE. THAT PROGRAM HAS BEEN IN OPERATION FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR, AND WE ARE IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN TODAY TO PROPOSE SOME AMENDMENTS TO THAT PROGRAM. AS BACKGROUND, THE SECTION 212 AFFORDABILITY

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ALSO AVAILABLE ARE A MINIMUM UNIT SIZE REDUCTION, A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT INCREASE, A REDUCTION TO THE MINIMUM LOT AREA DEPTH AND WIDTH, A DEVIATION FROM BUILDING COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS AND A MINIMUM SETBACK REDUCTION. AS YOU CAN SEE, ONLY FOUR OF THE NINE INCENTIVES HAVE BEEN APPLIED FOR THUS FAR. THIS PROGRAM IS AVAILABLE TO ANY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, ALTHOUGH SO FAR OF OUR SIX APPLICATIONS ALL HAVE HAD SOME OTHER TYPE OF AFFORDABILITY FINANCING TIED TO THE PROGRAM. STAFF IS COMMITTED TO EVALUATING THIS PROGRAM ON AN ONGOING BASIS TO ENSURE THAT IT'S OPERATING AS EFFECTIVELY AS POSSIBLE. IN THE YEARS SINCE, PROGRAM CREATION STAFF HAVE IDENTIFIED FOUR IMMEDIATE OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE THE PROGRAM AND REMOVE SOME PAIN POINTS. FIRST AND FOREMOST, STAFF ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL REQUIREMENT NEXT, TO INCREASE ACCESS TO THE INCENTIVES BY REMOVING SCALING QUALIFICATION. THIRD, TO ADJUST AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENTS TO BE ENTIRELY AFFORDABLE FOR DENTON, MEANING BELOW OUR MARKET RATE AND ADDITIONALLY DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN THOSE SEPARATE RENTAL AND OWNERSHIP MARKETS. AND LASTLY, TO CLARIFY THE AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR SMALL DEVELOPMENTS WITH FEWER THAN 20 HOMES, THESE AMENDMENTS WERE CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON MARCH 18TH AND WERE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL WITH A50 VOTE. SO DIGGING INTO IT FIRST AND FOREMOST, FIRST AND FOREMOST, STAFF ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL REQUIREMENT FOR PROGRAM PARTICIPANTS. SO THIS, AS IT STANDS TODAY, REQUIRES THAT ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT PARTICIPATES WITH THIS PROGRAM FOR THE 30 YEAR AFFORDABILITY PERIOD OFFER THE CITY THE RIGHT TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY FIRST, SHOULD THEY EVER GO TO SELL BEFORE GOING TO ANY OTHER BUYERS. THIS WAS ORIGINALLY INCLUDED BECAUSE STAFF JUST WANTED AN EXTRA LAYER OF PROTECTION ON THE AFFORDABILITY. SINCE THEN, STAFF HAS DETERMINED IT DOES NOT ACTUALLY OFFER ADDITIONAL PROTECTION TO THE AFFORDABILITY. THE AFFORDABILITY IS PROTECTED BY OUR EXISTING RESTRICTIVE COVENANT PROCESS. WE EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER. IT IS REGISTERED WITH THE COUNTY. IT'S A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT AND IT SURVIVES THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP ANYTIME WITHIN OUR AFFORDABILITY PERIOD, AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE IT. STILL, THE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL HAS CAUSED SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ADMINISTRATIVE BARRIERS IN PRACTICE FOR DEVELOPERS WHO ARE USING THIS PROGRAM, THEIR LENDERS AND FOR CITY STAFF. AND SO FOR THAT REASON, WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE IT. ADDITIONALLY, STAFF ARE PROPOSING TO ADJUST THE QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS TO INCREASE ACCESS TO THE INCENTIVES AND REFLECT THE SEPARATE MARKET RATES OF LOCAL RENTAL AND HOMEOWNERSHIP MARKETS. WE HAVE A VISUALIZATION OF THIS ON THE NEXT SLIDE. BUT JUST AS A GENERAL OVERVIEW ACROSS THE BOARD, STAFF ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE SCALING QUALIFICATIONS TO INCREASE ACCESS TO THE INCENTIVES, SETTING 15% OF THE TOTAL UNITS BEING AFFORDABLE AS THE THRESHOLD TO ACCESS ANY NUMBER OF INCENTIVES. ON THE RENTAL SIDE, STAFF ARE PROPOSING TO REDUCE THE TARGET INCOME THRESHOLDS TO BE ENTIRELY AFFORDABLE FOR DENTON, MEANING BELOW OUR MARKET RATE. ON THE HOMEOWNERSHIP SIDE, STAFF ARE ACTUALLY PROPOSING TO INCREASE THAT TARGET INCOME THRESHOLD TO ONLY INCLUDE 80% AMI, WHICH IS STILL BELOW DENTON'S MEDIAN SALES PRICE, AND INCREASES THE FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY FOR THESE PROJECTS TO PENCIL.

ADDITIONALLY, STAFF ARE PROPOSING TO ALIGN THE AFFORDABILITY PERIOD FOR HOMEOWNERSHIP PROJECTS SPECIFICALLY WITH OTHER EXISTING PROGRAMS FOR AFFORDABLE HOMEOWNERSHIP, BRINGING IT DOWN FROM 30 YEARS TO FIVE YEARS. SO THESE ARE THE THIS IS THE TABLE THAT WE USE TO QUALIFY PROJECTS WHEN THEY COME THROUGH. ON THE TOP, WE HAVE WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AND EXIST TODAY. AND ON THE BOTTOM WE HAVE WHAT STAFF ARE PROPOSING IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. AS YOU CAN SEE, AS THE PROGRAM STANDS, SAY MINIMUM 20% OF UNITS THAT MUST BE DEDICATED AS AFFORDABLE TO ACCESS THREE OR FEWER

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FINALLY, STAFF IS PROPOSING TO CLARIFY THE AFFORDABILITY QUALIFICATIONS FOR DEVELOPMENTS WHICH HAVE FEWER THAN 20 HOMES. AS YOU MAY HAVE SEEN ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, STAFF QUALIFIES THESE DEVELOPMENTS IN INCREMENTS OF 5% OF THE TOTAL UNITS, WHICH CAN BE DIFFICULT TO APPLY IF YOUR PROJECT IS THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. SO WE HAVE EARLY DOORS IN THE FIRST YEAR OF OPERATION. FOUND THAT THIS PROGRAM SHOWS PROMISE FOR HELPING GET THESE SMALL SCALE INFILL PROJECTS, WHICH MAY BE IN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS, MAY BE ON A WEIRD SHAPED LOT, GET BUILT UNDER THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT CODE WITHOUT NEEDING TO GO THROUGH A PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. WE WANT TO PRESERVE THAT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE QUALIFICATIONS AND THE STANDARDS FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENTS ARE CLEAR AND PREDICTABLE AND STILL ACCESSIBLE FOR OUR INFILL PROJECTS. AS SUCH, STAFF ARE PROPOSING TWO RULES TO ADDRESS THIS. FOR DEVELOPMENTS WITH NINE OR FEWER UNITS, THE PROJECT WOULD BE QUALIFIED AT ONE UNIT AT THE HIGHEST APPLICABLE INCOME LEVEL, WHICH WOULD BE 50% AMI FOR RENTAL OR 80% AMI FOR HOMEOWNERSHIP. AND FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENTS BETWEEN 10 AND 19 UNITS THAT IT WOULD BE QUALIFIED BY A MINIMUM OF 15% OF THE UNITS AT THE HIGHEST APPLICABLE INCOME LEVEL, AND WOULD NOT NEED TO INCLUDE UNITS FOR LOWER INCOME CATEGORIES. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, A RENTAL DEVELOPMENT THAT HAD 19 UNITS IN TOTAL WOULD NEED TO INCLUDE THREE AFFORDABLE UNITS, 16% OF THEIR TOTAL, BUT ALL THREE COULD BE AT 50% AMI RATHER THAN TWO AT 50 AND ONE AT 30. AGAIN, THE INTENTION BEHIND THESE AMENDMENTS IS REALLY JUST TO HELP MAKE SURE THEY ARE CLEAR, PREDICTABLE AND ACCESSIBLE FOR OUR INFILL DEVELOPMENTS. THOSE ARE ALL THE AMENDMENTS. PROPOSED OPTIONS TODAY ARE AS FOLLOWS. FIRST, TO APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENTS AS PRESENTED NEXT TO APPROVE THE TEXT AMENDMENTS WITH CONDITIONS THIRD TO DENY OR FOURTH TO POSTPONE TO A DATE CERTAIN TO ALLOW FOR FURTHER DELIBERATION. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS THE ORDINANCE MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR CODE AMENDMENTS OUTLINED IN DDC. SECTION 274D. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND

CONSIDERATION. I WILL STAND FOR QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I'LL

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>> THANK YOU. LEAH, I JUST HAVE REALLY TWO QUESTIONS. HOW DID WE SETTLE ON 15% AS THE NUMBER

OF UNITS TO BE AFFORDABLE? WHAT WAS THAT MATH THAT HAPPENED? >> THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT GO INTO IT. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT EXISTS TODAY, WHAT WE'RE REALLY GETTING FROM OUR RENTAL SPECIFICALLY IS 15% OF UNITS, BECAUSE THAT 5% IS NOT PROVIDING A RENTAL REDUCTION.

ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE FOUND THAT THIS IS RIGHT ABOUT THE THRESHOLD BEFORE A PROJECT NEEDS FURTHER FUNDING TO PENCIL. SO THIS PROJECT, THIS PROGRAM DOES NOT PROVIDE FUNDING. WE HOPE THAT IT BRINGS COSTS DOWN FOR DEVELOPMENTS, BUT IT DOES NOT ACTUALLY PROVIDE A SUBSIDY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS. AND SO WE WANT TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT WHAT IT CAN ACHIEVE AND

STAY USABLE. >> AWESOME. THANK YOU. AND THEN WE ALL CONTINUE TO MONITOR HOW THIS PROGRAM IS GOING. AND IF SOMETHING NEW POPS UP OR ANY OF THESE CHANGES AREN'T WORKING

OUT, YOU WOULD BRING BACK CHANGES AGAIN. >> ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, WE WILL

CONTINUE TO MONITOR. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

TWO. >> THANK YOU LEAH. BOTH MY QUESTIONS PERTAIN TO SORT OF REMOVAL OF OF OF FEATURES. THE FIRST ONE IS ON THE SUBORDINATION CHANGES OR SORRY, ON THE ON THE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL. I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT OTHER FINANCIAL OR FINANCIERS MIGHT HAVE QUANDARIES WITH THE, YOU KNOW, SUBORDINATING THEIR CLAIM TO THE CITIES. SO WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST PREEMPTIVELY SUBORDINATE OUR CLAIM RATHER THAN COMPLETELY ELIMINATE A

RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL? >> SO THAT'S WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO. IT STILL CAUSES SIGNIFICANT BARRIERS. OTHER FINANCIERS, AS YOU SAY, OR NONPROFIT PARTNERS SOMETIMES WHO HAVE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL ON THESE PROPERTIES ARE IN THE OWNERSHIP STRUCTURE AND MIGHT FORESEE THEMSELVES ACTUALLY OWNING AND OPERATING THE PROPERTY AT A LATER DATE. THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE ANY INTENTION TO DIRECTLY OWN OR OPERATE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING THAT THIS AT THIS TIME.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE IT. >> THERE'S THERE'S LET ME ASK IT A SLIGHT DIFFERENT WAY, AND THEN I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION. THERE'S THERE'S NO BENEFIT IN MAINTAINING IT IN THE ABSENCE OF ANYONE ELSE'S RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING BENEFITING THE CITY TO HOLD ON TO IT. I MEAN, WE PUT THAT IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. BUT I GUESS FOR THOSE ONES THAT DON'T HAVE ANY BARRIERS, THERE'S NO VALUE TO

THE CITY FOR THAT. >> STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT OUR AFFORDABILITY, WHICH IS STAFF'S PRIORITY IN THIS, IS PERFECTLY WELL PROTECTED BY THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. OKAY.

>> YEAH. >> NO. AND THEN MY OTHER ONE, I APPRECIATE THAT MY MY OTHER ONE RELATES TO HOME OWNERSHIP AND IS SIMILAR. IF WE HAVE IF WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE 80% CRITERIA, WHY REMOVE THE 30 AND 50% TARGETS? IF THE 80% QUALIFIES, WHAT'S THE HARM IN LEAVING THE 30 AND 50 IN THERE? OKAY. AND SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY. WHY JUST LIMIT OURSELVES TO JUST 80?

>> OKAY. IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, I BELIEVE YOU'RE ASKING WHY NOT

ALSO REQUIRE 50% AND 30%. >> OR JUST HAVE THAT AS AN AVAILABLE OPTION? I'M SURE PEOPLE WILL MOSTLY BUILD 80, BUT BUT YOU KNOW WHY? WHY REMOVE THOSE TARGETS?

>> SURE. FOR ONE THING, I WOULD SAY ANY DEVELOPER IS STILL WELCOME TO SELL AT LOWER PRICES OR TO LOWER INCOME THRESHOLDS. MOST OF THESE PROJECTS DO HAVE OTHER AFFORDABILITY COMMITMENTS THAT WE ARE HOPING OURS ARE LOWER, AND WE'RE GETTING THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE AFFORDABLE. BUT IF THEY HAVE ANOTHER FUNDER, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY'RE USING CITY HOME FUNDS, WE OFTEN DO REQUIRE THEM TO SELL AT 50 OR 30% SOMETIMES, OR RENTS OFTEN MORE OFTEN. WE HAVE FOUND PRETTY THIN MARGINS ON THESE PROJECTS. SO ONE EXAMPLE IS A PROJECT THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WILL BE OPERATING AT ABOUT $100,000 DEFICIT FOR EVERY HOME THAT IT SELLS AT 80%. AMI, SO THEY'RE ALREADY NEEDING TO MAKE UP THAT GAP. IT GETS CLOSER TO ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS 200,000 WHEN WE ASKED THEM TO SELL IT AT 50% AMI. AND SO THE. AND FORGIVE ME IF I'M GETTING IN THE WEEDS HERE, BUT THE. THE QUESTION FOR US IS REALLY, IF WE REQUIRE THESE DEVELOPMENTS TO SELL AT 30 OR 50, WHEN WE KNOW IT COSTS THEM MUCH MORE TO BUILD THAT.

ARE WE NEGATING THE USEFULNESS OF THIS PROGRAM? >> OKAY, I GUESS I'LL TRY ONE MORE TIME AND THEN I'LL MOVE ON. THAT DOES. AND MAYBE IT'S JUST MY LACK OF UNDERSTANDING. THE IF IF YOU IF YOU COULD BE PROFITABLE AT 30 OR 50%, YOU ARE STILL QUALIFIED AT THE 80%

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NUMBER. IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT. YES. >> ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S

THAT'S SUFFICIENT. THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE SIX, PLEASE?

>> SURE. >> AND FORGIVE ME FOR SPEAKING FOR YOU, DOCTOR BECK. I THINK WHAT HE'S HUNG UP ON IS THAT IT SAYS THRESHOLD TO ONLY INCLUDE THAT WORD ONLY. IS THAT DOCTOR BECK? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHY. OKAY, BEFORE I ASK, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANY MORE ANY MORE ABOUT

THAT REAL QUICK? >> NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION. YES, IT IS 80% AMI OR BELOW. WHEN WE SAY ONLY, WE'RE SAYING WE ARE ONLY SETTING OUR STANDARDS THAT AT

80% AMI ANYTHING BELOW IT ALSO QUALIFIES. >> OKAY, SO IT DOES CAPTURE.

OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY. >> MUCH FOR THAT QUESTION TOO.

>> I APPRECIATE YOU. >> SO THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. SO IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU SAID THAT YOU FOUND THAT NOT MANY DEVELOPERS HAD QUALIFIED FOR ALL FOUR CRITERIA. YOU SAID YOU SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF THEY FOUND THAT EVEN IF THEY DID QUALIFY FOR ALL FOUR, IT WAS MORE ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE PROJECT TO ONLY USE A COUPLE.

CAN YOU SAY MORE ABOUT THAT? >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO WE CAN SEE THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING THE INCENTIVES SPECIFICALLY THAT ARE BEING USED ARE THE PARKING REDUCTION, THE LANDSCAPING AREA POINT SYSTEM REDUCTION, BUILDING HEIGHT INCREASE HAS BEEN USED A FEW TIMES AND MINIMUM LOT AREA REDUCTIONS HAVE BEEN USED. A LOT OF THESE ARE MUCH MORE APPLICABLE TO EITHER SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. SO IT WOULD BE PRETTY DIFFICULT TO FIT ALL NINE INCENTIVES ON A SINGLE PROJECT. BUT THEN ADDITIONALLY, DEVELOPERS ARE STILL TRYING TO BUILD A PROJECT THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM THAT THEY THINK IS GOING TO WORK, IS GOING TO BE DESIRABLE. AND ALSO, THEY STILL NEED TO MEET EVERY OTHER REQUIREMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE WE HAVE IN OUR LANGUAGE. JUST BECAUSE WE SAID YOU CAN HAVE A A BUILDING HEIGHT INCREASE IF THAT RUNS UP AGAINST FIRE CODE OR OUR BUILDING HEIGHT AND TRANSITION AREAS RULES, THEN YOU DON'T GET TO USE IT. RIGHT. AND SO THE NOT EVERY INCENTIVE MAKES SENSE FOR EVERY PROJECT. AND SO WE FOUND DEVELOPERS ARE BEING

SELECTIVE WITH WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM. >> OKAY. AND LAST THING I WANT

TO SAY IS I'M QUESTION, DID THE CRC LOOK AT THIS FIRST. >> THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE.

NO, THEY DID NOT. >> IT. SORRY. >> PLANNING AND ZONING.

>> DID ANY ANY INSIGHT TO WHY THIS. THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE PRIME REAL ESTATE FOR CRC TWO

OF. TAKING A STAB AT THIS. >> STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE WAS THAT THESE WERE QUICK FIXES THAT WE WANTED TO BRING FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD. SOME OF THESE ARE SOME REAL PAIN POINTS.

>> IT'S A TIMING ISSUE. THE TIMING ISSUE. OKAY. I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. WELL, I JUST WANT I WANT TO APPLAUD STAFF AND, AND, AND LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY AND REALLY REEVALUATING THIS, PARTICULARLY GETTING RID OF THE FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPLAUD ALL THE WORK YOU ALL DID TO THIS TO HELP US BRING FORWARD A BETTER PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO WORK ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE, BUT ALSO ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE AT THE END

OF THE LINE. SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. YOU CAN FILL OUT A CARD IF SPEAK IF YOU WISH. THERE'S ONE CARD. JORGE FERREIRA, IF YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE

THREE MINUTES. OR FOUR MINUTES. >> GOOD EVENING. JORGE PERRY, 4708 CONLEY LANE. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING MAYOR. I'M HERE TO STRONGLY SUPPORT TONIGHT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE AFFORDABILITY INCENTIVES PROGRAM. IN MY DAILY WORK AS THE BOARD PRESIDENT OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CORP, WE CONSTANTLY SEE EVERYDAY PEOPLE STRUGGLING TO FIND HOUSING THAT DOESN'T COMPLETELY DRAIN THEIR PAYCHECKS. WHEN THIS PROGRAM WAS CREATED, IT WAS A SOLID FIRST STEP. BUT FOR POLICY TO BE TRULY EFFECTIVE, IT HAS TO BE PRACTICAL ON THE GROUND, AND STAFF HAS RIGHTLY IDENTIFIED KEY OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE IT. FIRST, REMOVING THE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL REQUIREMENT FEELS LIKE COMMON SENSE RIGHT NOW. IT CREATES THE ADMINISTRATIVE HEADACHES FOR STAFF, LENDERS, DEVELOPERS WHILE DOING VERY LITTLE TO ACTUALLY SECURE THE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. SO REMOVING THIS RED TAPE TAPE WOULD ALLOW EVERYONE TO FOCUS ON THE ACTUAL GOAL, WHICH IS GETTING HOMES BUILT AND GETTING FAMILIES IN AFFORDABLE UNITS BY ADJUSTING THIS CODE. BUT ADJUSTING THE CODE IS ONLY ONE PIECE OF THIS PUZZLE. IF WE REALLY WANT TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ON HOUSING, OUR CITY DEPARTMENTS HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER MORE EFFICIENTLY TO FAST TRACK THESE TYPES OF OPPORTUNITIES. WE ABSOLUTELY MUST CUT DOWN THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE. THE LONGER AN AFFORDABLE PROJECT SITS IN THE PIPELINE, THE MORE EXPENSIVE IT GETS TO BUILD, AND THOSE COSTS INEVITABLY, INEVITABLY GET PASSED DOWN TO THE FOLKS TRYING TO BUY OR RENT OR SOMETIMES THE DEVELOPMENT HAVING TO SHIFT FOCUS. LIKE YOUR QUESTION, ABOUT 80% FOR HOMEOWNERSHIP 50 AND 30 WOULD BE IDEAL, BUT IT'S HARD TO DO 50 AND 30 WHEN YOU'VE SPENT $400,000 JUST IN PRE-DEVELOPMENT TO GET BEFORE THE CITY, RIGHT? WHEN WE STREAMLINE OUR INTERNAL PROCESSES AND ELIMINATE THE BOTTLENECKS, WE GET ROOFS OVER PEOPLE'S HEADS FASTER AND LESS EXPENSIVELY. I ALSO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE WISDOM IN SETTING A CLEAR, FLAT THRESHOLD FOR INCENTIVES AND DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN RENTAL AND HOME OWNERSHIPS. THIS KEEPS HOMES

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AND FINALLY, CLARIFYING THE RULES FOR SMALL SCALE INFILL HOUSING OPENS THE DOOR FOR SMALLER, COMMUNITY FOCUSED PROJECTS THAT FIT RIGHT INTO OUR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. IT FEELS PRAGMATIC. IT'S COMMUNITY FIRST POLICY, AND I URGE YOU TO APPROVE THESE AMENDMENTS AND TO KEEP PUSHING FOR MORE STREAMLINED, COLLABORATIVE, PREDEVELOPMENT PROCESSES ACROSS ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY.

>> THANKS. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. OPEN. SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

SIX. >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS. I THINK IT DOES SIMPLIFY THE PROCESS. AND SO IT CAN BE MORE ACCESSIBLE TO DEVELOPERS. AND I APPRECIATE STAFF'S ASSISTANCE IN COUNCIL'S INITIATIVE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MAKING SURE THAT IF INCENTIVES ARE GIVEN, IT'S REALLY AFFORDABLE FOR DENTON, WHICH IS THE PROBLEM WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST. SO I RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR I MOVE TO APPROVE THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENTS AS PRESENTED. AND PLEASED TO DO SO. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM. >> AND I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR CONTINUING TO MONITOR THE THE INCENTIVES. WE DIDN'T JUST ADOPT INCENTIVES AND THEN PUT THEM OVER THERE. SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL CONTINUING TO MONITOR MONITOR THAT AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS YOU SEE

THAT THERE'S ISSUES AND I WILL HAPPILY. SECOND. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

[B. Z25-0025b Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding a change in the zoning district and use classification from Rural Residential (RR) District to General Office (GO) District on approximately 5.36 acres of land generally located on the north side of Barthold Road, approximately 2,580 feet west of North Interstate 35 in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s Official Zoning Map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted (6-0) to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Ketchersid and second by Commissioner Garland. (Z25-0025b, Arkamima, Matt Bodine)]

HEARING. >> GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL. MATT BURDINE, ASSISTANT PLANNER HERE TO PRESENT THE ZONING CASE. SO THIS IS A REQUEST, AS I SAID, TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 5.36 ACRES FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO GENERAL OFFICE DISTRICT FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEVELOPING VARIOUS COMMERCIAL USES ON THE PROPERTY. IT'S SURROUNDED BY PROPERTY, ZONED LAND RR, AS WELL AS ETA PROPERTIES IN THE COUNTY. IT DOES TAKE ACCESS OFF OF BARTOLD ROAD, WHICH WILL BE A TEXTILE ROAD AND IS CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED AS A PRIMARY ARTERIAL. SO THIS REQUEST WAS REVIEWED AGAINST OUR GENERAL AND ZONING CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, AND TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF THOSE CRITERIA, THIS CREST THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSE OF THE GENERAL OFFICE DISTRICT, WHICH IS TO PROVIDE FOR A VARIETY OF WORKPLACES AND THOSE COMPLEMENTARY USES. THIS DISTRICT DOES PERMIT SEVERAL COMMERCIAL USES IN IT, AND THIS SITE IS LOCATED NEAR EMPLOYMENT AREAS ALONG I-35. THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WHICH IS INTENDED FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY, BUT ALSO SUPPORTING COMMERCIAL USES SUCH AS THOSE ALLOWED IN THE GEO DISTRICT. IT DOES SUPPORT ECONOMIC AND GROWTH GOALS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE IS A CRITERIA THAT THERE IS SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE AREA.

WE HAVE SEEN THAT WITH INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT COMING IN ALONG I-35, AS WELL AS TECHDOC PROJECTS TO IMPROVE I-35, AS WELL AS REALIGN STATE ROAD FM 11 1173 TO GO IN FRONT OF THIS PROJECT AND FOLLOW BARTOLD ROAD IN SUPPORT OF THAT TEX-DOT PROJECT. THE STRIP OF LAND IN FRONT OF THE AREA BEING REZONED TODAY HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO TXDOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THIS REQUEST WAS NOTICED TO THE PUBLIC ACCORDING TO CITY AND STATE LAW. AT THIS TIME, THE STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AND PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL

AT THE FEBRUARY 11TH MEETING. HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. YOU CAN FILL OUT A CARD AND SPEAK IF YOU WANT TO SEE NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

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REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT SIX. >> I MOVE APPROVAL AS PRESENTED AND WANT TO JUST COMMEND ALL OF THE BACKUP MATERIAL THAT HAS LED TO NO QUESTIONS DURING THIS COUNCIL MEETING. BUT OF THE 12 EXHIBITS GOING INTO THE FISCAL RAMIFICATIONS, ZONING RAMIFICATIONS, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND USE, ETC. I'LL STOP TALKING, BUT I MOVE APPROVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS BUILDING.

THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT TWO. >> I WON'T ADD ANY MORE TO THAT.

I'LL JUST SECOND. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. TAKES US TO ITEM C. I'D 260288.

[C. ID 26-0288 Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton adopting Standards of Care for recreational care programs administered by Denton’s Parks and Recreation department pursuant to Texas Human Resources Code Section 42.041(b)(14). The Parks, Recreation, and Beautification Board recommends approval (5-0)]

ADOPTING STANDARDS OF CARE FOR RECREATIONAL CARE PROGRAMS ADMINISTERED BY DENTON PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT PURSUANT TO TEXAS HUMAN RESOURCES CODE, SECTION 42.

041B 14. THE PARKS AND RECREATION AND BEAUTIFICATION BOARD DON'T NEED THAT. GO RIGHT AHEAD. AND IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. SO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I DON'T SEE THE PRESENTATION LOADED ON HERE. >> OKAY. STEVE, CAN YOU HELP US

WITH THAT? OH, INGRID. OKAY. >> IS IT IN HERE? OKAY. I WAS LOOKING OVER HERE. THERE IT IS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> CANCEL THAT. STEVE. I KNOW I SAW HIM.

>> WHERE'S THE NOT PRESENTING IN TEAMS? >> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

>> THERE WE GO. SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL MEGAN THOMAS, PROGRAM MANAGER, PARKS AND RECREATION.

EACH YEAR, PARKS AND RECREATION IS REQUIRED TO PRESENT THE STANDARDS OF CARE TO COUNCIL FOR REVIEW AND ADOPTION THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING. THIS. THE STANDARDS OUTLINE THE MINIMUM GUIDELINES UNDER WHICH WE OPERATE OUR RECREATIONAL CARE PROGRAMS. THIS IS OUR SPRING BREAK AND HOLIDAY CAMPS, OUR SUMMER CAMPS, AND OUR KIDS DAY OFF PROGRAMS. BY ADOPTING THESE STANDARDS ANNUALLY, THESE PROGRAMS REMAIN EXEMPT FROM STATE LICENSING REQUIREMENTS.

THIS YEAR, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES, MINOR CHANGES TO PROGRAM AND STAFF CONTACT INFORMATION CAMP LOCATIONS BASED ON DENTON ISD. AVAILABILITY AND CLARIFICATION OF BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIREMENTS BY OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS. THE PARKS, RECREATION AND BEAUTIFICATION BOARD REVIEWED THESE STANDARDS OF CARE AT THEIR MARCH 2ND MEETING, WITH A VOTE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF 5 TO 0. AND AT THIS TIME, I'M HAPPY TO

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR

STAFF. SEEING NONE. MAYOR PRO TEM. >> AS A FORMER PART TIME PARKS AND REC SUMMER CAMP COUNSELOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> THANK YOU. AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE CAN SPEAK IF YOU FILL OUT A CARD.

SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

TWO AS. >> AS A PARENT WHO HAS USED THE SUMMER CAMPS, I WILL SECOND.

>> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. HOW ARE WE DOING ON HIRING LIFEGUARDS AND

EVERYTHING? >> ARE WE. >> WE'RE DOING WE'RE DOING

PRETTY GOOD. >> OKAY. >> GOT IT.

>> EXCELLENT. OKAY. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND

THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. NO. WE GOOD? >> THANK YOU.

[A. ID 26-0446 Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with Intermountain Slurry Seal, Inc., for roadway surface treatments for the Streets Department; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFP 8902 - awarded to Intermountain Slurry Seal, Inc., for one (1) year, with the option for four (4) additional one (1) year extensions, in a total five (5) year not-to-exceed amount of $10,000,000.00).]

>> NO, THAT TAKES US TO ITEM SIX A. D260446. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, A HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH INTERMOUNTAIN SLURRY SEAL, INC. SAY THAT TEN TIMES FAST FOR

ROADWAY SURFACE TREATMENTS FOR THE STREETS DEPARTMENT. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS DENNIS QUALLS. I'M THE ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER OF WATER UTILITIES AND STREET OPERATIONS. I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO PRESENT THE ROADWAY SURFACE TREATMENT CONTRACT. ROADWAY SURFACE TREATMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS CONTRACT CONSIST OF MICRO SEAL AND SLURRY SEAL. THESE TREATMENTS ARE COLD APPLIED PAVING

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WITH FOUR ONE YEAR RENEWALS FOR NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $10 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS.

STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO AWARD THE CONTRACT TO INTERMOUNTAIN SLURRY SEAL, INCORPORATED FOR A TERM OF ONE YEAR, WITH FOUR OPTIONAL ONE YEAR RENEWALS UNDER THE SAME TERMS AND CONDITIONS, AND I AM AVAILABLE, OR AT THIS TIME, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. DENNIS, I WAS TRYING TO DO MY HOMEWORK ON THESE SLURRY SEALS SINCE WE BOTH MOSTLY DONE THE MICRO SEALING BEFORE, OR AT LEAST THAT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE. SO I HAD MORE FAMILIARITY WITH YOUR PREVIOUS EDUCATION FOR THESE SLURRY SEALS. I WAS READING THAT THEY REALLY ARE ONLY EFFECTIVE WHEN YOUR OCI IS ABOVE A CERTAIN LEVEL, SO YOU'RE NOT PATCHING A BAD ROAD, YOU'RE YOU'RE PATCHING A GOOD ROAD. DO WE HAVE THAT KIND OF STANDARD IN OUR ROADWAY? DO WE WE ONLY SEAL ABOVE A CERTAIN OCI AND REPAIR BELOW.

>> WE WOULD SEAL BETWEEN A 75 AND AN 85 OCI. OKAY. WHICH IS WHICH IS STILL A GOOD ROAD. AND

WE WANT TO KEEP IT A GOOD ROAD. >> BUT ANYTHING BELOW THAT WE WOULD SCHEDULE IT FOR REPAIR.

>> IT WOULD EITHER BE A MILL AND OVERLAY DEPENDING ON DEPENDING ON THE REPAIR THAT'S

NEEDED, A MILL AND OVERLAY OR RECONSTRUCTION. >> PERFECT. THAT'S EXACT ANSWER

TO MY QUESTION. THANK YOU SIR. >> THANK YOU. >> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

FOUR. >> HOW DOES THIS PRODUCT DIFFER FROM WHAT THE TERM I'VE HEARD

IS CHIP SEAL? >> WELL, OKAY. SO MICRO SEAL CHIP SEAL IS EVEN A EVEN A DIFFERENT PRODUCT BECAUSE IT HAS A LARGER AGGREGATE IN IT, THE MICRO SEAL AND THE SLURRY SEAL HAVE A MUCH FINER AGGREGATE. AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MICRO SILL AND AND THE SLURRY SEAL IS MICRO DRIES FASTER, HAS A HAS MORE POLYMERS IN IT THAT IS MORE SUITED FOR HIGHER TRAFFIC, FASTER TRAFFIC. AND THE SLURRY SEAL IS MADE IN SUCH THAT IT'S MORE SUITED FOR SLOWER TRAFFIC, RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC, THAT TYPE OF THING. THERE'S ALSO GOING EVEN FURTHER IF YOU WANT TO GO INTO THAT, I, I LOOKED INTO ODOR BECAUSE THAT'S WE'VE HAD COMPLAINTS ABOUT ODOR IN THE PAST THAT THE MICRO SEAL, BECAUSE OF THE CHEMICALS IN IT THAT MAKE IT DRY QUICKER, GIVE OFF A LITTLE BIT MORE, STRONGER ODOR THAN A THAN A SLURRY SEAL, WHICH IS A, I DON'T KNOW, HAS A BOUQUET OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL A.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IN MY RUNS. >> YEAH. SO BUT IT'S JUST A, IT'S NOT AS STRONG AN ODOR AND IT DISSIPATES QUICKER. AND BECAUSE IT, IT CURES OVER A 4 TO 6 OR 4 TO 6 TO EIGHT HOUR PERIOD, WHEREAS MICRO SEAL CURES IN AN HOUR.

>> BACK TO MY CHIP SEAL THING IS THAT GOING TO BE COMMONLY FOUND ON ON A TEXDOT ROAD MORE

SO THAN A THAN A THAN A CITY STREET. >> YES. BECAUSE AND YOU'VE SEEN

THOSE. >> THEY'RE VERY, VERY ROUGH. >> YEAH. AND THEY, THEY, BECAUSE THEY PUT THE LARGER AGGREGATE, THE THE GRAVEL, IF YOU WILL, ON THAT WHICH GETS ACTUALLY DRIVEN DOWN INTO THE ASPHALT ITSELF SOMEDAY. YEAH. AT SOME, AT SOME POINT AFTER

IT'S CHIPPED AFTER WINDOW. >> AFTER I'M LONG GONE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP.

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>> REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE. >> DENNIS, HELP ME. AND I REMEMBER I WANT TO SAY IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE HEARD A PRESENT, A PRESENTATION ABOUT STREETS. WHAT WAS THE OVERALL A, B, C, D, E SCORE OF STREETS IN DENTON? WAS THAT A B? REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION WE

HAD? I BELIEVE IT WAS A WORK SESSION. >> STEPHEN. I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. SOMETHING THAT I CAN FIND OUT AND GET BACK WITH YOU ON.

>> I ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE. GIVEN THAT CITY OF DENTON STREETS ARE SCORED, I REMEMBER THEM SCORING BETTER THAN THE PERCEPTION OF WHAT CITY OF DENTON STREETS ARE. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE GOING TO COME ANYWHERE CLOSE TO TEN MIL, RIGHT? EVEN IN FIVE YEARS.

RIGHT. >> SAY THAT AGAIN. TEN MIL. >> IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME ANYWHERE CLOSE TO TEN MIL. TEN MILS IS THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT IN FIVE YEARS. CORRECT? THIS IS A IT SEEMS BASED ON THAT PRESENTATION WE HAD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THAT OUR STREETS WERE BETTER THAN THE PERCEPTION

OF OUR STREETS IS. SO. >> STEPHEN, GENERAL MANAGER OF WATER UTILITIES AND STREET OPERATIONS. THE THE OVERALL STREET CONDITION INDEX THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO INCLUDED OUR OUR BOTH ASPHALT AND CONCRETE. THE CONCRETE ROADS ARE IN REALLY GOOD CONDITION.

ARE ASPHALT ROADS ARE OKAY. >> I DIDN'T REALIZE. >> WHEN YOU COMBINE THE TWO OF THEM, IT SKEWS THAT ACTUAL NUMBER. SO THIS $10 MILLION WILL GET EATEN UP WITHIN THAT

FIVE YEAR PERIOD OF TIME. >> OKAY, OKAY. >> THANK YOU FOR THE

CLARIFICATION. >> NOT A WORD. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND NOT A WORD. YOU THINK IT AND HOLD IT. LOCK IT UP FOR THOSE THAT DON'T TRACK ALONG. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND IS A CONCRETE, RIGHT. IT'S CEMENT. I FORGET WHICH ONE IT IS. WHICH ONE IS IT?

>> CONCRETE. DON'T SMELL CONCRETE. >> HE'S A CONCRETE ROAD FAN.

AND SO STEPHEN HAS MADE HIS DAY, SO. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING

NONE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FOUR. >> I MOVE WE APPROVE THE THE

THE ITEM AS PRESENTED. >> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR PRO.

>> TEM AND I APPRECIATE US CONTINUING TO INVEST IN PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE SO THAT WE'RE NOT PAYING THE BIGGER BILL AT THE END. WE'RE AT LEAST DELAYING IT. SO I

REALLY APPRECIATE THAT AND I'M HAPPY TO SECOND. >> GOT IT. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES SEVEN

[B. ID 26-0418 Consider an ordinance of the City Council of Denton, Texas, approving an Acquisition Agreement with the Denton Destination Management and Marketing Organization for the transfer of equipment and other assets of Discover Denton, the assumption of certain contracts by the Denton Destination Management and Marketing Organization, and the grant of an Intellectual Property License to the Denton Destination Management and Marketing Organization; and providing an effective date.]

ORGANIZATION. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS KRISTI. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WITH DISCOVER DENTON, AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU ABOUT THE TRANSITION OF DENTON TO BEING AN INDEPENDENT DESTINATION MANAGEMENT AND MARKETING ORGANIZATION. THE PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE TRANSITION FROM DISCOVER DENTON TO AN INDEPENDENT DMO TO HIGHLIGHT KEY MILESTONES AND ACTIONS COMPLETED. OUTLINE FINAL STEPS REQUIRED FOR FULL. FOR FULL INDEPENDENCE AND REQUEST COUNCIL AUTHORIZATION TO EXECUTE THE ACQUISITION AGREEMENT. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. ON DECEMBER 17TH OF 2024, THE COUNCIL APPROVED ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 DASH 2486, WHICH AUTHORIZED THE ACQUISITION OF DISCOVER DENTON ASSETS FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. THE ASSUMPTION OF CONTRACTS BY THE CITY IN THE AMENDMENT TO THE LEASE AGREEMENT FOR THE DENTON VISITOR CENTER, THE ESTABLISHED LONG TERM PLAN TO TRANSITION TO AN INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATION, TRANSITION VISION, WAS TO ESTABLISH A STANDALONE DESTINATION MANAGEMENT AND MARKETING ORGANIZATION, INCREASE OPERATIONAL FLEXIBILITY AND EFFICIENCY, ALIGN WITH BEST PRACTICES FOR DMO, DMO STATEWIDE AND NATIONALLY, AND STRENGTHEN TOURISM'S ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR DENTON LEGAL FORMATION MILESTONES ON FEBRUARY 3RD, THE PROPOSED BYLAWS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL DURING A WORK SESSION FOR REVIEW AND FEEDBACK.

THEY WERE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL ON FEBRUARY 17TH OF THIS YEAR. THE COUNCIL APPROVED THOSE BYLAWS AUTHORIZING THE FILING OF THE ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION ON FEBRUARY 18TH, 2026. THE ARTICLES WERE FILED WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS AND ON MARCH 3RD, 2026, AN E I N WAS ISSUED BY

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS SEEING NONE. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT

FIVE. >> I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE TO TO PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER TO TO UNRAVEL PREVIOUS AGREEMENTS AND PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER. I WANT TO THANK I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATED IN THIS. I WANT TO WISH YOU ALL WELL AS YOU EMBARK ON THIS ENDEAVOR. AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO HAPPILY MOVE APPROVAL.

>> REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT TWO. >> I'M HAPPY TO GET HELP. GET

THIS OFF THE GROUND WITH A SECOND. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN.

WHO WE WHO ARE MISSING. THERE WE GO. AND THAT PASSES 7 TO 0.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR ITEMS. TAKES US

[7. CONCLUDING ITEMS]

TWO. >> THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT. I THINK THIS IS A CASSEY FIRST TIME TO TO RUN AS CITY MANAGER, SO I WANT TO WELCOME HER AND APPLAUD HER EVEN THOUGH SHE'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS. THANK YOU CASSEY FOR STARTING US OFF AS A

AS OUR NEW INTERIM CITY MANAGER. THANK YOU. >> VERY GOOD. YEAH.

>> AND THEN I WILL REMIND WELL, FIRST I'LL TAKE A MOMENT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE TO BE DELIGHTED THAT I SPENT MY ENTIRE DAY WHEN MY DAUGHTER FLEW BACK FROM LONDON AND AND I COULD HAVE BEEN HANGING OUT WITH HER. INSTEAD, I CHOSE TO HANG OUT WITH ALL OF YOU. AND THAT. THAT'S DELIGHTFUL. I PROMISE YOU. AND I WILL DO ONE, ONE, ONE MORE ANNOUNCEMENT.

REMEMBER, APRIL 15TH IS COMING UP AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT DAY IS. THAT'S NATIONAL DNA DAY.

OH, BUT IT'S ALSO TAX DAY. SO GET YOUR TAXES IN. >> GET YOUR TAXES DONE.

>> GOT IT. REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT ONE. >> WE HAVE BEEN TOGETHER

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YOU WHERE WE CAN. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT FIVE.

>> JUST WANTED TO SAY, OF COURSE, MORE ELECTIONS COMING UP. CITY ELECTIONS AND RUNOFF ELECTIONS. EVERYBODY VOTE. REMIND YOUR FRIENDS TO VOTE. VOTING IS IMPORTANT. IF IT DIDN'T MATTER, PEOPLE WOULD WORK HARD TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM US. SO VOTING MATTERS. AND I

JUST WANT TO SAY I WISH YOU A HAPPY BIRTHDAY. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ANY OTHER CONCLUDING ITEMS? SO I WILL SAY THAT I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU AND TEE POLO. THEY WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP AGAIN, WHICH IS GREAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT NUMBER THIS IS, BUT THEY'VE DONE IT REGULARLY. IT'S PRETTY. PRETTY THREE. THANK YOU. YEAH IT'S OUTSTANDING. AND THEN TO GYMNASTICS IF WE DIDN'T MENTION IT BEFORE I FORGET DURING THE BREAK. BUT THEY WON ANOTHER NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. SO CREDIT TO THEM. AND KAYLA IF YOU COULD HELP ME REACH OUT TO THEM AND SEE IF MAYBE WE CAN GET THEM FOR A PROCLAMATION, THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN US AIR FORCE BAND WAS AT UNT. IF YOU MISSED THAT, I JUST IT JUST HIGHLIGHTS ALL THE GREAT STUFF THAT WE HAVE HERE IN TOWN. AND SO THAT WAS A GREAT CONCERT. WELL, IT SOLD OUT CROWD. SO THAT WAS REALLY NEAT TO SEE. AND THEN I THINK IT'S THE 16TH OF THIS MONTH. DO WE HAVE A JOB FAIR, RIGHT. SOMEONE'S HOSTING A JOB FAIR AT THE CIVIC CENTER. I THINK THAT'S RIGHT ON OF THIS MONTH. I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. SO DOUBLE CHECK THAT. BUT I THINK WE HAVE A JOBS FAIR AT CIVIC CENTER FOR SIX AT 416 ON 416. AND THEN I SAW THE DENTON FIRE DEPARTMENT GOT THREE NEW TRUCKS. IS THAT I SAW THAT. I THINK THEY HAD A POST AND THAT'S SO THAT'S THAT'S A FEAT. I MEAN, I THINK IT TAKES A YEAR AND CHANGE TO GET THOSE IN HAND. SO THAT'S A REALLY NEAT THING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HELPING KEEP EVERYONE SAFE AND THEN SPEND SOME TIME OUT AT NORTH TEXAS FAIR AND RODEO AREA, HUNG OUT WITH GLENN AND SOME I MEAN, AMAZING KIDS.

I MEAN, THEY'RE DOING LIVESTOCK, THEY'RE DOING PLANTS AND BAKING AND PIGS, ALL THE THINGS. I MET A STEER THAT WAS TWO YEARS OLD AND WEIGHED 1,600 POUNDS. IT'S MASSIVE. AND SO JUST REALLY NEAT STUFF HAPPENING THERE. SO IF YOU STAY IN TUNE AND SUPPORT THE NORTH TEXAS FAIR AND RODEO AND THOSE YOUTH ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE DOING GREAT WORK AND TRAINING THOSE KIDS TO, TO BE AMAZING. AND THEN PLUS I GOT TO SEE THE MUTTON BUSTING AND IT WAS WET. AND SO ALL THE KIDS GOT DUMPED INTO THE WATER. FANTASTIC. GREAT DAY, GREAT DAY. SO WITH THAT AT 754, THAT'LL CONCLUDE OUR MEETING. OH, WELL, BEFORE I DO THAT, STEVE, ARE WE STILL ON SOMEBODY COME OUT.

WE'RE STILL ON. THANK YOU. GIVE THE FLOOR TO YOU. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY?

>> WELL THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING WEEK. WE'VE MADE IT THROUGH. SO I APPRECIATE

EVERYONE GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY. SO THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. GREAT. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.