[00:00:12] QUORUM PRESENT, I WILL BRING THIS WORK SESSION OF THE CITY OF DENTON PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER. ARE. IT'S INTERESTING. THERE'S NOT A. THERE'S NOT AN ITEM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. I GUESS THAT'S BECAUSE THERE IS NO CONSENT AGENDA. BECAUSE THEY WERE BOTH. OKAY. SORRY. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. SO CLARIFICATION [1. Clarification of agenda items listed on the agenda for this meeting] FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS MEETING, I THINK THERE WAS AN UPDATE JUST SHORTLY AGO ON THE PLAT. RIGHT ON THREE A. SO THAT'S RECOMMENDED APPROVAL NOW. SURE. JULIE'S HERE. WE MIGHT AS WELL. GET CONFIRMATION THAT ALL THE I'S ARE CROSSED AND T'S ARE DOTTED. >> GOOD EVENING, JULIE WYATT. AND THIS IS A FINAL PLAT FP12B OR FP2612B. THIS IS FOR THE SUMMIT 35 PROJECT. IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL PROJECT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN BETWEEN I-35 LOOP 288 AND HIGHWAY 77. THEY HAVE ADDRESSED ALL THE CITY'S COMMENTS TODAY SO WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> I DON'T SEE ANY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JULIE. AND THREE B IS FP 26-4. >> GOOD EVENING, CAMERON ROBERTSON. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN EXIT OUT OF THIS. THIS IS FOR A FINAL PLOT OF LAND MARK PHASE TWO NORTH. THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 1.7 MILES NORTH OR WEST OF I 35 WEST AND NORTH SIDE OF ROBSON RANCH DRIVE OR ROAD. IT HAS BEEN APPROVED. THE C P HAS BEEN COMPLETED, SO STAFF AT THIS POINT IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THIS FINAL PLAT. >> OKAY. COMMISSIONER KITCHEN SAID. >> AND I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS ONE. IT LOOKS LIKE ON SHEET SEVEN A LOT. EIGHT IS THE PROPERTY LINE GOES INTO THE RIPARIAN BUFFER. IS THAT OKAY THAT IT DOES THAT? >> YES. THAT'S OKAY. >> OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS I WAS READING AND IT SAYS THAT IT COULD TAKE UP TO LIKE 20%. SO I WASN'T SURE. OKAY. >> YEAH, GREAT. >> THANKS. >> I ASSUME THERE'S A EASEMENT ON THAT TO PREVENT VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT. CORRECT. PROPERTY OWNER. OKAY, OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? DON'T SEE ANY. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. [A. PZ26-082 Receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the Planning and Zoning Commission’s role in relation to the City’s historic preservation program.] >> THAT BRINGS US TO OUR WORK SESSION REPORT. PZ26-82. OKAY. >> GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSION. KIM ROBERTSON, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER SO WE AS STAFF WANTED TO KIND OF JUST GIVE A RUNDOWN OF KIND OF GIVING YOU ALL A BACKGROUND ON OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION ITSELF, AND THEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND KIND OF WHERE YOU ALL FALL INTO KIND OF THAT PRESERVATION PROGRAM. SO THE TOPICS OF DISCUSSION JUST GOING TO GO OVER BACKGROUND ABOUT OUR PROGRAM THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, THEN FALL INTO OUR HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION AND THEIR PRESERVATION PROCEDURES, FOLLOWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S REVIEW PROCEDURES. AND THEN LASTLY, GOING A LITTLE BIT OVER THE HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION, HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND CONSERVATION DISTRICTS. IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF INFORMATION, JUST A HEADS UP. SO IF YOU DO HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS INFORMAL BECAUSE IF MY HLC HAD QUESTIONS, YOU PROBABLY ALL WILL HAVE QUESTIONS AS WELL. SO FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ME IF YOU DO. SO KIND OF JUST DIVING IN. OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM HAS ONLY BEEN AROUND FOR ABOUT 46 YEARS, SO IT IS PRETTY YOUNG COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES. HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAMS, NOT NECESSARILY IN THE STATE, BUT IN THE NATION. CURRENTLY, OUR CITY HAS 70 LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARKS AS WELL AS THREE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS. MOST OF THESE WERE COMPLETED IN THE 1980S, IN THE 1990S. AND AS YOU ALL HAVE SEEN, YOU KNOW, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE'VE SEEN A FEW MORE COME THROUGH IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WHICH IS GREAT. OUR [00:05:03] FIRST HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH WAS DESIGNATED IN 1987, IS THAT OAK HICKORY HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO THAT ENCOMPASSES A LOT OF THOSE HISTORIC STRUCTURES FROM THE LATE 1800S. CURRENTLY, THE CITY IS PART OF A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAM, WHICH IS ADMINISTERED BY OUR TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. SO YOU'LL HEAR SOME ACRONYMS IN MY PRESENTATION, BUT I REFER TO THEM AS THC OR THE CLG. SO BEING PART OF THAT CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAM AS THE CITY OF DENTON, WE DO HAVE ACCESS TO A LARGE NETWORK OF OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICERS THROUGHOUT THE STATE. WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AS WELL AS GRANT ACCESS, WHICH IS WONDERFUL. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU ALL SOME BACKGROUND, THE HLC OR HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION IS IN OUR ARTICLE 12 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, AND THAT WAS UPDATED IN 2022 TO MEET OUR CLG REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO MEET NOW. JUST TO GIVE YOU KIND OF ALSO A BACKGROUND, THERE ARE MANY TIERS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. CURRENTLY. WE HAVE OUR FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL. SO MY ROLE AS HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, I'M FOCUSING ON THE LOCAL LEVEL. BUT JUST TO SHOW YOU ALL THAT THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT LEVELS OF DESIGNATION. AND WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, YOU HAVE LESS PROTECTION. BUT THEN WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, YOU HAVE MORE PROTECTION BECAUSE OF THE ZONING OVERLAY. ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? >> ACTUALLY, I HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? WHAT KIND OF CONTROLS OR. >> SO IN TERMS OF MORE PROTECTION BECAUSE IT IS A ZONING ACTION AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, IT DOES MEAN THAT ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO THE EXTERIOR DOES HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CERTAIN LEVEL OF REVIEW. SO IF YOU'RE WANTING TO DO ORDINARY MAINTENANCE IN TERMS OF CHANGING PAINT COLOR OR CHANGING LIGHTING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S USUALLY OR REPLACING SOME SIDING, THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW. BUT IF YOU'RE WANTING TO CHANGE WINDOWS, DO A DEMOLITION, ADD A NEW ADDITION THAT IS GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION FOR REVIEW. AND THAT'S BECAUSE AS THE PROPERTY OWNER, IF YOU DESIGNATED YOUR PROPERTY, YOU'RE DETERMINING THAT TO BE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT. SO YOU'RE DEEMING IT WORTHY OF NEEDING TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. IF THERE ARE CHANGES TO BE MADE. >> AS OPPOSED TO IT BEING FEDERAL, >> FEDERAL, THE ONLY TIME THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL GET INVOLVED AND HAVE TO REVIEW KIND OF ANY WORK THAT'S TAKING PLACE IS IF FEDERAL FUNDING IS INVOLVED. SO HIGHWAY EXPANSION, ANYTHING WITH HUD, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> SO KIND OF MOVING ON TO THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION PRESERVATION PROCEDURES. I'M GOING TO BREAK IT DOWN, LIKE I SAID, INTO THE PROCEDURES THAT THEY HAVE OVERSIGHT OVER, BUT THEN ALSO WHERE THEY HAVE JURISDICTION. SO IN TERMS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROCEDURES, HLC HAS AUTHORITY OVER CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH IT, WHICH IS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO THEY HAVE THAT REVIEW AND DECISION THAT THEY GET TO MAKE, AND THEY HAVE THAT FINAL DECISION MAKING HISTORIC AND CONSERVATION DISTRICT DESIGNATION. THEY PROVIDE A REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION. SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I'VE NOT SEEN ANY HISTORIC OR CONSERVATION DISTRICTS COME THROUGH. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT PROCESS NECESSARILY LOOKS LIKE QUITE YET. BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY SIMILAR TO OUR HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION, WHERE IT STARTS AT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION, GOES TO PLANNING AND ZONING, AND THEN YOU ALL PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, AND CITY COUNCIL HAS THE FINAL SAY. AND THEN LASTLY, IS THE HISTORIC TAX EXEMPTION WHERE HLC PROVIDES REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION AS WELL. SO HLC HAS JURISDICTION OVER THE FOLLOWING TYPES OF HISTORIC LANDMARKS. THEY HAVE JURISDICTION OVER LOCAL LANDMARKS. SO AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE OUR OLD POST OFFICE. WE ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC DISTRICTS AS WELL, WHICH HAVE INDIVIDUALLY LANDMARK PROPERTIES WITHIN THEM. WE ALSO HAVE TEXAS LANDMARKS. SO THOSE THAT ARE RECORDED, TEXAS HISTORIC LANDMARKS, THE CITY OR HLC DOES HAVE OVERSIGHT OVER THOSE. AND THEN NATIONAL REGISTER LANDMARKS. SO ONE OF THOSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THOSE IN DENTON, BUT WE DO HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF ONE WHICH IS OVER FAIR HAVEN RETIREMENT HOME. SO ANYTIME ANY OF THESE LANDMARKS ARE REVIEWED, THEY ARE GOING TO BE REVIEWED UNDER OUR NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE STANDARDS, WHICH IS THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES, WHICH I OFTEN REFER TO AS THE STANDARDS. OR YOU MAY HEAR THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION REFER TO THEM AS THE STANDARDS. >> SORRY, THIS IS FOR GOING INFORMAL. WHEN YOU SAY HLC HAS JURISDICTION OVER. EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT JURISDICTION THEY HAVE WITH STATE AND NATIONAL REGISTERED PROPERTIES. >> SO CURRENTLY IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE HAVE IT WRITTEN IN. IF ANY WORK IS TO BE HAPPENING TO A NATIONAL REGISTERED LANDMARK. SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO COME IN AND DEMO IT, IT DOES HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION FOR THE HLC. IF SOMEONE'S JUST WANTING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO [00:10:06] IT, THEN WE DON'T HAVE OVERSIGHT. AND I DO GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL LATER ON. BUT IN TERMS OF TEXAS HISTORIC LANDMARKS, WHICH IS THAT RECORDED TEXAS HISTORIC LANDMARK, THE STATE GIVES US THAT AUTHORITY AS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO HAVE THAT OVERSIGHT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> SO ALSO, THE HLC HAS JURISDICTION OVER THE FOLLOWING LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS OUR OAK HICKORY HISTORIC DISTRICT, OUR BELLE AVENUE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND OUR WEST OAK AREA HISTORIC DISTRICT. KIND OF THAT NOTE HIGHLIGHTED THERE. THE CITY HAS TWO NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BUT THE CITY, THE HLC, HAS NO JURISDICTION IN THOSE DISTRICTS UNLESS SOMEONE IS WANTING TO DEMO ONE OF THE PROPERTIES. THESE HISTORIC DISTRICTS WE DO HAVE WRITTEN INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE DESIGN STANDARDS. SO STAFF, WHEN THEY'RE REVIEWING ANY WORK THAT'S TAKING PLACE IN THOSE DISTRICTS, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE STANDARDS AS WELL AS OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR EACH HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO THIS IS OAK HICKORY. AS I STATED IN MY FIRST SLIDE, THIS IS OUR EARLIEST HISTORIC DISTRICT WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1987. IT HAS OVER 70 PROPERTIES AND IT KIND OF CONTAINS THAT EARLY 20TH CENTURY. WE DO HAVE SOME MID-CENTURY RANCH STYLES IN THERE AS WELL, BUT IT HAS AN ECLECTIC MIX OF VARIETY OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES. OUR BELL AVENUE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2019, IT ACTUALLY USED TO BE A CONSERVATION DISTRICT, BUT IT SWITCHED OVER IN 2019 TO A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IT CONTAINS 28 PROPERTIES AND HAS A LOT OF EARLY 20TH CENTURY STYLE RESIDENCES, INCLUDING TUDOR REVIVAL. LASTLY, WE HAVE THE WEST OAK HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2008, HAS 89 PROPERTIES, AND IT DOES CONTAIN A MIXTURE OF THAT 20TH CENTURY STYLES, BUT ALSO MINIMAL TRADITIONAL STYLES THAT WE SEE AFTER WORLD WAR TWO, AS WELL AS RANCH STYLE RESIDENCES. ANY QUESTION ABOUT THOSE BEFORE I MOVE ON? OKAY, SORRY, I JUST WANT TO PAUSE. SO HLC ALSO HAS JURISDICTION REGARDING LOCAL LANDMARKS WITHIN OUR DENTON SQUARE DISTRICT. SO THIS SQUARE DISTRICT WAS PASSED IN 2019, AND I WISH YOU COULD SEE IT A LITTLE BIT CLEARER. BUT IT'S ALL THESE. >> PROPERTIES THAT HAVE A STAR ON THEM OR ARE LOCAL LANDMARKS WITHIN. >> THAT DENTON SQUARE DISTRICT. SO ANY PROPERTY THAT COMES FORWARD, EVEN THOUGH IT FALLS IN THAT DENTON SQUARE DISTRICT, INSTEAD OF A CERTIFICATE OF DESIGN CONSISTENCY, THEY'RE DOING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. SO THEY WILL BE REVIEWED UNDER OUR THE STANDARDS AS WELL AS THE DENTON SQUARE DISTRICT STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES. SO WHEN IT COMES TO P AND Z, P AND Z DOES HAVE POWERS AND DUTIES RELATED TO ZONING ACTIONS AND SUBDIVISIONS. SO THERE ARE SOME OVERLAP THERE. SO IN THIS CASE, YOU ALL WILL COME IN WITH HISTORIC AND CONSERVATION DISTRICT DESIGNATION AND HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION. P AND C DOES NOT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY RELATED TO CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS NOR HISTORIC TAX EXEMPTIONS. AND THESE ARE SET SPECIFICALLY WITHIN EITHER THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, WHICH IS HISTORIC TAX EXEMPTIONS. AND THEN DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH SPECIFICALLY LAYS OUT WHO REVIEW CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND THEN MOVING ON TO HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION. HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, THOSE KIND OF THE PROCESSES ARE OUTLINED IN THOSE TWO SUBSECTIONS. BUT LOOKING FIRST HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCEDURE. THE FIRST STEP IS FILLING OUT AN APPLICATION, GIVING IT TO MYSELF, IN CASE YOU DIDN'T REMEMBER, THAT'S ME. AND THAT CAN BE FILED BY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE. PLANNING AND ZONING CAN ACTUALLY BRING FORWARD A HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION. IF YOU ALL, LIKE HLC, CAN BRING ONE FORWARD, MYSELF OR CITY COUNCIL. BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE NOTE ANY APPLICATIONS THAT ARE PREPARED BY AND SUBMITTED BY AN AUTHORIZED AGENT. THEY DO HAVE TO CONTAIN STILL SIGNATURES FROM THAT OWNER, AND THEY HAVE TO BE VIA RESOLUTION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL OR HLC. OKAY, SO HLC CONSIDERS THESE AT A REGULAR MEETING, AND THEN IT GOES TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM THERE. YOU ALL HERE AND KIND OF LOOK THROUGH ALL THOSE CRITERIA, AND THEN YOU ALL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR ITS CONSIDERATION. AND THEN CITY COUNCIL HAS THAT FINAL CONSIDERATION, AND IT CANNOT BE APPEALED. SO ONCE IT'S THE DESIGNATION IS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, THE MEDALLIONS GET TO BE PREPARED AND THEY GET TO BE PUT ON THE STRUCTURE, AND IT GETS ADDED TO OUR DISCOVER DENTON LANDMARKS MAP THAT IS PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE ON OUR WEBSITE. SO TO RUN THROUGH THE CRITERIA, I DON'T WANT TO RUN [00:15:05] THROUGH EACH INDIVIDUALLY UNLESS YOU ALL WANT ME TO, BUT ONLY ONE IS REQUIRED. CURRENTLY OGDEN DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S 13, SOMEONE CAN COME FORWARD TO HLC, PNC, AND CITY COUNCIL AND JUST SAY MY PROPERTY ONLY MEETS THIS ONE CRITERIA, SAY IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT SAYS THAT'S FINE AND THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS. OFTENTIMES, AT LEAST IN THE LAST COUPLE OF APPLICATIONS WE'VE SEEN, WE'VE SEEN TWO OR MORE. BUT CODE ALLOWS ONE. YES. >> DO YOU FEEL THAT? I MEAN, TO ME ONE JUST SEEMS LIKE NOT ENOUGH. LIKE THERE SHOULD BE MORE. BUT I'M A I'M A NOVICE IN THIS. SO LIKE, DO YOU, ARE YOU SEEING THAT AS YOU JUST SAID, SOME OF THE APPLICANTS DO HAVE MORE THAN ONE. WOULD IT BE BETTER TO HAVE MORE OR, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S JUST ONE, IS IT LIKE TOO BROAD? LIKE, DO YOU KIND OF WANT TO REFINE IT IN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALLY HITTING THOSE TRUE LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS? >> I DO FEEL THAT, AT LEAST FROM PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH HLC, I THINK THEY'VE MENTIONED EVEN LIKE, HEY, WE LIKE SEEING TWO OR MORE. AND I THINK FROM STAFF'S POINT OF VIEW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD THING. I THINK THE MORE CRITERIA YOU'RE ABLE TO CONNECT WITH, OR YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE EVIDENCE AND ARE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE BETTER, I DO THINK ONE IS A LITTLE BROAD. SO I DO THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CHANGED IN THE FUTURE, JUST SO IT HOLDS A LITTLE BIT MORE WEIGHT. >> AND THEN HOW DOES THAT CHANGE HAPPEN? IS IT IS IT JUST THE COMMITTEE OR DO THEY GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR DOES IT GO TO THE D, CRC? >> I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH HLC FIRST AND THEN WOULD PROBABLY JUST BE COMING STRAIGHT TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND THEN CITY COUNCIL. YEP. >> SO IF WE WANTED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT, WOULD WE DO THAT NOW OR DO WE NEED TO BRING THAT UP AS A SEPARATE ITEM? >> I WOULD POINT TO LEGAL OR. >> SO I THINK. YOU CAN MAKE A NOTE THAT CAMERON MIGHT SUGGEST IT BEING DISCUSSED WITH HLC, BUT I DON'T THINK PNC CAN DIRECT HLC TO TAKE AN ACTION. >> CAN WE CAN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? >> YEAH. >> ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? AND THERE'S ALSO ONE MORE SLIDE WITH THE CRITERIA ON IT. SO IT WASN'T ALL 13. SORRY, NOT A LOT OF SPACE. OKAY. SO ONCE THE DESIGNATION IS APPROVED FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION PROCESS. SO ANY WORK THAT THEY DO ON THE EXTERIOR THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT HOW IT LOOKS FROM THAT RIGHT OF WAY. THEY HAVE TO DO A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. SO BASICALLY YOU'RE KIND OF SIGNING ON TO THAT. AND THEN AS I STATED PREVIOUSLY, THEY WILL BE REVIEWED UNDER THE STANDARDS. SO JUMPING INTO HISTORIC AND CONSERVATION DISTRICT DESIGNATION, THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION. SO OUR APPLICATIONS ARE REALLY BASED ON ARCHITECTURAL, HISTORICAL, ARCHEOLOGICAL OR CULTURAL IMPORTANCE OR VALUE ARCHEOLOGICAL. I'VE NEVER SEEN A HISTORIC DISTRICT BASED OFF THAT, BUT WE HAVE IT IN OUR CODE THAT ALLOWS THAT. SO WE DO REQUIRE A LOT OF INFORMATION. THEY HAVE TO MAP THE BOUNDARIES, AND THEY HAVE TO ALSO SHOW THE LOCATION OF EACH CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE. AND SO THAT'S TRULY BASED OFF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TO DECIDE AS A COMMUNITY, ESSENTIALLY WHICH PROPERTIES THEY FEEL REALLY MAKE THE ARGUMENT AS TO WHY IT NEEDS TO BE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR CONSERVATION DISTRICT, AND WHY THEY'RE WANTING TO MAKE OR PRESERVE THOSE THINGS AND KEEP THEM IN PLACE. THEY ALSO NEED TO NOTATE ANY STATE AND NATIONAL LANDMARKS. AS I STATED, WE DON'T HAVE A TON OF STATE AND NATIONAL LANDMARKS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE WERE TO CREATE ONE HERE, THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME. SO THEY ALSO HAVE TO LIST ALL THE BUILDINGS WITHIN THAT AREA AND SITES THAT ARE OF IMPORTANCE, THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE DISTRICT. AND THEY HAVE TO DESCRIBE EACH OF THOSE. SO ESSENTIALLY, WHAT YOU ALL SEE KIND OF IN THAT LANDMARK DESIGNATION PACKET, THEY HAVE TO DO THAT FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL BUILDING. SO THIS PROCESS. SPEAKING WITH FORMER APPLICANTS, IT CAN TAKE ANYWHERE FROM A YEAR TO TWO YEARS TO THREE YEARS. SO IT IS A VERY LONG PROCESS THAT IS SOLELY DONE BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEMSELVES. ONCE THEY HAVE GATHERED ALL THAT INFORMATION, THEY DO FILE THAT APPLICATION WITH MYSELF. SO THAT DESIGNATION CAN BE [00:20:08] INITIATED BY THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION SPECIFICALLY, OR THEY CAN GET A WRITTEN PETITION FROM THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS. SO AS IS STATED HERE, I'M JUST GOING TO READ IT EXACTLY FOR IT IS BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE I WILL EXPLAIN IT NECESSARILY THAT WELL. BUT APPLICANTS MUST SUBMIT WITH THE APPLICATION A PETITION WITH SIGNATURES OF MORE THAN 50% OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE PROPOSED DISTRICT TO COLLECT COLLECTIVELY OWN MORE THAN 50% OF THE LAND AREA WITHIN THE PROPOSED DISTRICT. SO AN EXAMPLE THAT WE DO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDERGOING THIS, BUT THEY STARTED WITH THE PETITION AND NOW ARE DOING THEIR RESEARCH. SO YOU CAN FLIP FLOP IT WHICHEVER WAY. BUT THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD BUY IN BEFORE THEY SPENT THE TIME RESEARCHING. SO ONE, THE APPLICATIONS ARE COMPLETED. I'LL CALL A PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF THE HLC. HLC HAS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OR DENIAL WITHIN A SET AMOUNT OF TIME. THAT GOES TO YOU ALL AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, YOU ALL THEN HAVE YOUR PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WITHIN 60 DAYS, YOU HAVE TO FORWARD YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN ONCE IF THAT DOES DISTRICT IS PASSED, THEN THE CITY NEEDS TO SEND THAT NOTICE OF NOTICE OF THE FACT BY THE MAIL TO THE OWNER OR THE OWNERS OF AFFECTED PROPERTIES. AND SO ONCE THE DESIGNATION IS APPROVED AS WELL, WE ALSO WILL GIVE THE NEW HISTORIC DISTRICT OR CONSERVATION DISTRICT SIGNAGE, KIND OF LIKE WE SEE IN OUR CURRENTLY EXISTING HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AND THEN AS WELL, THAT GETS ADDED TO OUR LANDMARKS MAP. FOR THE DESIGNATION. APPROVAL CRITERIA FOR CRITERIA NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THE DESIGNATION, AND IT HAS TO MEET TWO OF THOSE CRITERIA. AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT BROADER. THEY'RE MORE BASED OFF. I KIND OF WOULD SAY THE STREETSCAPE OR THE LANDSCAPE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE LOOK AND FEEL VERSUS SPECIFICS THAT YOU SEE WITH THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION. YES. >> SO MAYBE I'M. JUST ABSENT UNDERSTANDING OF DEFINITIONS, BUT. MANY OF THESE SEEM LIKE. EXCEPT FOR THE LAST ONE, I GUESS IN ORDER TO MEET THE DESIGNATION OF A LANDMARK, TYPICALLY THERE'S SOME HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, BUT THE FIRST THREE ARE MORE ABOUT FORM AS OPPOSED TO HISTORY. CORRECT. SO WOULD A HISTORIC DISTRICT BE ABLE TO BE BROUGHT ON LIKE A BRAND NEW SUBDIVISION? PER OUR CODE? >> NO, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE 50 YEARS OR OLDER. >> OKAY. SO THAT'S THAT'S DEFINED SEPARATELY FROM THIS TABLE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, YES. >> SO ONCE AGAIN, ONCE THAT DESIGNATION WERE APPROVED, THEY ALL PROPERTY OWNERS, ANYTIME THEY DO EXTERIOR WORK HAS TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE STANDARDS OR STAFF'S LOOKING AT THE STANDARDS. BUTOKING AT ANY ADDIL REGULATIONS THAT ARE PUT INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THAT DISTRICT. QUESTIONS. I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION VERY FAST, AND I COULD DO. I HAD A LOT MORE SLIDES THAN THIS, BUT HALEY HELPED ME PARE IT DOWN BECAUSE IT MIGHT YOU GUYS MIGHT GET LOST. >> YOU GOT TO DUMB IT DOWN FOR THIS. SO. COMMISSIONER MCDUFF. >> YES, YOU KNEW A QUESTION WAS COMING. YOU FELT IT, DIDN'T YOU? SPEAKING OF DUMBING IT DOWN, I AM WANTING TO KNOW THE STATUS OF THE SOUTH RIDGE PRESERVATION EFFORT. >> YES. SO BACK IN DECEMBER OR BACK IN 2025, STAFF WORKED WITH THE CONSULTANT TO HAVE A HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY COMPLETED FOR THE SOUTH RIDGE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS WAS PART OF THE EFFORTS OF THE 2019 HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN THAT WAS COMPLETED IN DECEMBER OF 2025. THE CONSULTANT DID DETERMINE THAT THERE WERE, AT MINIMUM, FOUR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES THAT COULD BE LANDMARKED AT THE NATIONAL NATIONAL LEVEL. THEY ALSO DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS ONE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT INCLUDED OVER 400 CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES AT THE TIME. WHEN STAFF HELD THEIR MEETING WITH THE CONSULT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING WITH THE CONSULTANT BACK IN DECEMBER, THERE WAS NOT REALLY A LOT OF INTEREST FOR A HISTORIC DISTRICT. THERE WAS CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR POTENTIAL CONSERVATION DISTRICT, BECAUSE [00:25:02] IT HAS A LITTLE BIT LESS STRICT REGULATIONS THAT COME WITH IT, BUT STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY APPLICATIONS OR INTEREST OR PHONE CALLS, EMAILS, ANYTHING REGARDING ANY INTEREST OF PURSUING ANYTHING AS OF RIGHT NOW. BUT STAFF DID HOLD SOMETHING FOR DENTON REVEALED. WE KICKED OFF OUR DENTON REVEALED PRESERVATION MONTH AT THE BEGINNING ON MAY 2ND WITH A WALKING TOUR OF SOUTH RIDGE. >> YES, OKAY, WELL THANK YOU, I WAS WONDERING. THIS CAME TO MY DOOR THAT MY HOUSE DIDN'T QUALIFY UNSOLICITED. WELL, I KNEW THIS WAS GOING ON. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ME PRESERVING ME IF I WAS OLD ENOUGH TO PRESERVE CAMERON OR WHAT. BUT I DID SAVE THE CARDS. >> I LOVE. >> IT WHEN IT WAS THE OPPORTUNE TIME TO ASK, BECAUSE I KNEW WE WERE GOING TO SEE THIS. I WAS WAITING. >> YES. >> WE CAN PRESERVE YOU IF YOU WANT TO. YES. >> CAN WE MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TODAY? >> I'M GONNA GET MY SMILE LINES. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING. AND THEN I HAVE NUMBER TWO. WHAT? DID WE ANSWER YOUR THE QUESTION OR WAS IT AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO GIVE SOME INPUT TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION? DID WE CLOSE THAT LOOP? >> YEAH, I THINK SO. WE HAVE YOU HANDLE THE HLC MEETINGS AS WELL, RIGHT? >> YES. AND THE STAFF LIAISON. >> OKAY. SO SO FEEDBACK. >> SO I GUESS DOES THAT NEED TO BE A FORMAL ACTION? DOES IT NEED TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM OR DO WE JUST. TELL CAMERON, HEY, HEY. >> YEAH. I THINK THE SUGGESTION IS IS RECEIVED AND CAN BE IMPLEMENTED BY STAFF. >> YEAH. BUT I WOULD SAY IF THERE'S ANY DETAILS OR HOPES THAT YOU HAVE ALONG THAT LINE, THE MORE, THE MORE VISION WE CAN CAST ON, ON WHAT WE WOULD HOPE TO BE AMENDED OR, OR IMPROVED THE THE EASIER IT IS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. RIGHT. >> WELL, UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER INPUT, I THINK JUST MORE THAN ONE IS KIND OF WHAT I CAN FEEL AS A CONSENSUS. SO. BUT GREAT JOB. YOU DID A GREAT. YOU CAN CONDENSE IT AND EXPLAIN IT VERY WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> YEAH, DEFINITELY. JUST IT'S IT'S A LOT JUST TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING. THE THE DISTRICTS YES, ARE LOCAL ONLY THERE'S NOT STATE DISTRICTS THAT. CORRECT. >> SO WE DO FOR HLC. REVIEW CORRECT. YES. OKAY. SO HLC PLANNING ZONING CITY COUNCIL NO ONE HAS REVIEW OVER NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICTS. SO THERE'S NO HISTORIC DISTRICTS AT THE STATE LEVEL. >> GOT IT. AND A NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, IF IT WERE TO EXIST IN THE CITY, IT WOULDN'T AUTOMATICALLY FALL UNDER HLC PURVIEW, BUT IT WOULD GIVE AN EASIER PATH TO REGISTERING A NATIONAL LANDMARK OR SOMETHING WITHIN THAT DISTRICT. IS THAT YES. >> THAT'S WELL, SO IT'S CORRECT IN TERMS OF GIVING IT AN EASIER PATH TO DO A NATIONAL REGISTERED LANDMARK, LIKE AN INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK. BUT AS I KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IN THE BEGINNING WITH A NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT, IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE DEMOLITIONS, HLC DOES HAVE THE PURVIEW TO REVIEW THOSE. >> OKAY. SO SO. DEMOLITIONS. DEMOLITION PERMIT ONLY, CORRECT. THEY JUST LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT DEMOLISH IT, OR YOU MAY OR MAY NOT REPLACE IT WITH X. >> THEY WOULD HAVE THE PURVIEW TO SAY, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE AS TO WHY IT NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED. >> OKAY. >> WHICH IS WHAT THEY DO AT THE LOCAL LEVEL FOR LOCAL LANDMARKS AS WELL. SO WE WOULD BE TREATING IN THAT INSTANCE AS A LOCAL LANDMARK. >> OKAY, OKAY. NO THAT HELPS. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, HLC IS A A SHINING STAR AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED OF, OF VERY INVOLVED, THOUGHTFUL RESIDENTS THAT WE HAVE ON THAT BOARD. YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO THE SORT OF ONE I'VE I'VE TALKED ABOUT, OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE PURVIEW OVER WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL IS ON THE THE TAX CREDIT POLICY. CORRECT. MY, MY CONCERN IN GENERAL WITH OUR CURRENT POLICY IS THAT IT WAS ESTABLISHED MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. AND BECAUSE THE INVESTMENT REQUIREMENT WAS A FIXED DOLLAR AMOUNT AND PROPERTY VALUES HAVE APPRECIATED QUITE A LOT, IT'S PRETTY EASY. LIKE MAY EVEN BE IN THE MEDIAN HOME VALUE. NOW THAT THE. THE VALUE OF THAT ABATEMENT OR NOT, NOT ABATEMENT OF THE THE EXEMPTION OVER A DECADE COULD ACTUALLY START TO [00:30:03] EXCEED THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF IMPROVEMENT DONE TO THE PROPERTY. SO I THINK THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND MAKE SURE WE GET THAT CALIBRATED. SO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER MCDUFFIE QUESTION. >> I GUESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING IT CURRENT, BUT I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION JUST FOR MY INFORMATION. THE FIRST, THE OAK, THE OAK DISTRICT, OAK STREET. I'M GOING TO ASK WHAT CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT THESE ARE IN. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD. >> YES, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO BECAUSE I KNOW THEY SPLIT OAK HICKORY HISTORIC DISTRICT IN HALF. I THINK IT'S I'M GOING TO POINT TO HALEY BECAUSE SHE'S GOING TO PULL UP A MAP. >> THANK YOU. >> I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU THE WRONG INFORMATION BECAUSE I KNOW I THINK THEY GOT REDISTRICTED AND I THINK OAK HICKORY IS SPLIT INTO DISTRICT 1 OR 2. AND I'M GOING TO STOP. I'M GOING TO LET HALEY. >> DISTRICT FIVE BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE FOUR DISTRICTS. >> THANK YOU. >> DISTRICT ONE AND FOUR. I WAS THINKING TWO AND FOUR I. >> DON'T KNOW. >> IS IT TWO AND FOUR OR ARE YOU. >> YEAH. SO IT LOOKS LIKE BELLE AND OAK. HICKORY. WELL BELLE AND PART OF OAK HICKORY, THE NORTHERN PART ARE DISTRICT TWO, THE OTHER WEST OAK, AND THEN THE SOUTHERN PART OF OAK. HICKORY ARE DISTRICT THREE. OKAY. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AS WE ABSORB? I DON'T SEE ANY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> NO PROBLEM. >> AND THAT IS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR WORK SESSION AGENDA. SO WITH NO OBJECTION, I WILL ADJOURN OUR WORK SESSION. ■WE'LL MEET BACK AT 630 IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS FOR THE GOOD EVENING. AS WEDNESDAY, MAY 13TH. WE'LL CALL OUR REGULAR SESSION OF THE [1. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER. OUR FIRST ITEM IS TO STAND AND SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE U.S. AND TEXAS FLAGS. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH. >> LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> I HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. >> I TO THE TEXAS, TEXAS. ONE STATE. >> UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM TWO. A PZ26-79. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE APRIL 29TH P [2. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MINUTES FOR:] AND Z. MEETING MINUTES. COMMISSIONER CATCHER SAID. >> A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES. >> AND COMMISSIONER DIRE. >> I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 29TH MEETING. >> SEEING NO DISCUSSION, CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE BOARD. THAT ITEM PASSES FIVE ZERO BRINGS US TO 3AFP26-12B. [A. FP26-0012b Consider a request by Mack Mattke of Kimley Horn & Associates on behalf of CATDENTON 35 for a Final Plat of Summit 35 Addition. The approximately 68.175-acre property is generally located east of North Interstate 35, north of Loop 288, and southwest of Highway 77 (North Elm Street) in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas. (FP26-0012b, Summit 35, Julie Wyatt)] >> GOOD EVENING, JULIE WYATT AND I AM PRESENTING FP2612B. THIS IS A FINAL PLAT FOR AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN WHERE I-35 LOOP 288 AND HIGHWAY 77 CONVERGE. THEY HAVE MET ALL CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER RIGGS. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> AND COMMISSIONER MCDUFF. >> I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. >> THE MOTION AND A SECOND. NOT SEEING ANY DISCUSSION. I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE BOARD. THAT ITEM PASSES FIVE ZERO. BRINGS US TO 3BFP26-4. [B. FP26-0004a Consider a request by Kimley-Horn on behalf of the property owner, HR 3200 LP, for a Final Plat of Landmark Phase 2 North. The approximately 184.877-acre site is generally located on the north side of Robson Ranch Road, approximately 1.07 miles west of I-35W in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas. (FP26-0004a, Landmark Phase 2 North, Cameron Robertson)] >> GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSION. CAMERON ROBERTSON, PRINCIPAL PLANNER THIS IS FP26004. A SORRY I WAS THIS IS FOR LANDMARK PHASE TWO NORTH WEST OF I 35 WEST AND NORTH OF ROBSON RANCH ROAD. THEY HAVE MET ALL THE APPROVAL FOR CRITERIA AS THEY COMPLETED THEIR C P SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT. [00:35:04] >> COMMISSIONER MCDUFF. >> YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS PROPOSAL. >> COMMISSIONER RIGGS. >> I SECOND THAT. >> AND SEEING NO DISCUSSION, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE BOARD. THAT ITEM PASSES FIVE ZERO. BRINGS US TO ITEM FOUR, A [A. PZ26-080 Hold a discussion regarding the Planning and Zoning Project Matrix.] PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MATRIX. >> ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY UPDATES TO THE MATRIX, OTHER THAN JUST MARKING OFF THE ITEMS THAT WE COMPLETED AT OUR LAST MEETING. ONE UPDATE FOR YOU ALL ON CITY COUNCIL ACTION RELATING TO ZONING ITEMS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE YOU. AT THE MAY 5TH MEETING, THEY DID HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE REQUESTED CHANGE FROM R3 TO R7 FOR THE PROPERTY ON BOLIVAR, FOR THE PROPOSED DUPLEXES, AND VOTED TO POSTPONE THAT INDEFINITELY, INSTRUCTING THE APPLICANT TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON THAT PROPOSAL. SO WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED AS THAT MOVES FORWARD. >> SO I HAVE A QUESTION TO THAT. SO I WAS IN ATTENDANCE TO THAT MEETING, AND ONE OF ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP WAS THE REFERENCE TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IS THERE A ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS LABELED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING? >> THERE IS ■NOT. >> OKAY. SO SO IT'S IT'S BASICALLY JUST KIND OF LIKE ANY OTHER THING THAT WE CONSIDER IS IF WE SAY WE CAN CHANGE THE ZONING, THEN THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN DO ANYTHING WITHIN THAT ZONING, CORRECT. FOR, FOR THE SAME AMOUNT AS THEY CAN ALSO SET WHATEVER PRICE THEY WANT TO CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY ITEMS TO ADD TO THE MATRIX? I DON'T SEE ANY. OH, SORRY, COMMISSIONER MCDUFF. >> NOT TO ADD, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, JUST THAT I WILL BE TRAVELING A LITTLE BIT IN AUGUST. SO WHEN WE SCHEDULE THAT, I'D LIKE TO BE IN ATTENDANCE. >> WE WILL MAKE NOTE OF THAT. >> THANK YOU. [5. CONCLUDING ITEMS] >> OKAY. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM FIVE CONCLUDING ITEMS. ANYONE HAVE ANY CONCLUDING ITEMS THIS WEEK? I DON'T SEE ANY. OH. >> I WOULD JUST ADD WE DO HAVE OUR SOUTHEASTERN COMMUNITY MEETING ON MONDAY. SO JULI, I THINK WE'LL HANG AROUND AFTERWARDS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, THAT MEETING. BUT IT WILL BE MONDAY NIGHT AT MLK AT 6 P.M. >> OKAY. VERY GOOD. NOT SEEING ANYTHING ELSE? WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE WILL ADJOURN OUR MEETING. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.