[2. Clarification of agenda items listed on the agenda for this meeting]
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          WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY. INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION 
          WE HAVE FOR A FP26-14. >> GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. WOW. 
          THAT IS MUCH LOUDER THAN I. WHAT ARE WE. OKAY. ANYWAY, SHAWN JACOBSON, SENIOR PLANNER THIS IS A PROPOSED PLAN FOR THE AFFORDABLE ESTATES. THIS IS NOT QUITE AT A POINT WHERE WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL. SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL, BUT HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE REQUESTED 
          EXTENSION TO JUNE 10TH. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER 
          MCDUFFIE? >> YES. HI, SEAN. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. I SEE THE WORD AFFORDABLE ESTATES. AND I KNOW THAT'S A HOT BUTTON WORD. CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME CONTEXT ON 
          THAT? >> YEAH. SO THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COALITION, AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE PROPOSING TO DEVELOP THE LOT. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DON'T SEE ANY. THANK YOU SEAN. THAT BRINGS US TO 4BFP26-15 AGAIN, SEAN. 
          >> I'LL JUST STAY RIGHT HERE. ALL RIGHT. FP26-15. THIS IS THE FLEX BUSINESS PARK ADDITION. 
          THIS IS OUT IN OUR ETJ. AGAIN, THEY'RE JUST NOT QUITE READY TO BE APPROVED. BUT STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THEIR REQUESTED EXTENSION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> I DON'T SEE ANY. THANK YOU SIR. OUR LAST INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEM IS 4CFP26-11. 
          ASHLEY. >> THE ITEM WAS WITHDRAWN. >> OH THAT'S RIGHT. SORRY. 
          >> SENT A REQUEST IN TODAY ASKING TO BE WITHDRAWN. >> THIS EXPLAINS WHY ASHLEY GOT A LOT SHORTER. YEAH. TOUCHE. OKAY. YES. SO THAT'S. THAT'S WITHDRAWN. DO WE TAKE ANY ACTION ON THAT BECAUSE IT WAS WITHDRAWN INDEFINITELY. RIGHT. OKAY. SO SO NO ACTION IS 
          REQUIRED. >> CORRECT. THEY'VE WITHDRAWN IT FROM REVIEW COMPLETELY AT THIS TIME. SO IT WILL A NEW TIME CLOCK WILL START FOR THEM ONCE THEY RESUBMIT. 
          >> VERY GOOD. BRINGS US TO OUR FIRST OF THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS. 5AZ26-5. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. SEAN JACOBSON, SENIOR PLANNER HERE TO PRESENT Z 2615. AND WE DO. ALL RIGHT. Z 2615 WINSTON COX WATERWORKS. SO THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE A TWO ACRE PROPERTY FROM R TWO TO L I. THAT WOULD BRING THE CURRENT NONCONFORMING OFFICE AND OUTDOOR STORAGE USE ON THE LOT INTO COMPLIANCE. SO JUST FOR CONTEXT, THIS IS OUT ON THAT FAR EAST END OF US 380. THIS IS PART OF THAT AREA WHICH Y'ALL AND CITY COUNCIL AMENDED THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP LAST YEAR TO LEE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. SO THIS REQUESTED ZONING WOULD BRING THE PROPERTY INTO LINE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY. IT IS FRONTING ON A SIX LANE PRIMARY ARTERIAL. AS YOU ALL 
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PROBABLY FAIRLY FAMILIAR US 380 THERE. THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT WAS DEVELOPED IN ITS CURRENT FORM WITHOUT THE REQUIRED PROJECT APPROVALS AND PERMITS. THEY ARE NOW SEEKING TO REMEDY THAT ERROR AND BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> YEAH. COMMISSIONER DYER. >> AM I AM I READING THIS WRONG ON OUR AGENDA? IT TALKS ABOUT THIS BEING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FARM TO MARKET. 377. SHOULD IT BE HIGHWAY 380? 
          >> SO TECHNICALLY THAT PART OF THE ROAD IS THREE, 83, 77 AND UNIVERSITY DRIVE SIMULTANEOUSLY. 
          >> OKAY. >> THAT WAS A FUN DISCOVERY. >> OKAY, SO I'M NOT READING IT 
          WRONG. >> YOU ARE. >> NOT OKAY BECAUSE. YEAH. OKAY. 
          >> THANKS. ALL THREE. BUT THEY DO MEET OUR APPROVAL CRITERIA. SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT WILL BE HERE DURING WORK SESSION. ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          >> YEAH. COMMISSIONER DYER. >> AND THIS WAS THE ONE THAT HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING, THAT. 
          >> NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. >> THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. YES. YEAH. YES. YEAH. OKAY. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU. SEAN. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 5BS25-18. WHERE IS IT? 
          OH, HERE IT IS. ALL RIGHT. >> GOOD EVENING. COMMISSION MATT BEAUDOIN, ASSISTANT PLANNER HERE TO PRESENT A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE APPLICANT TO USE THIS THIS LOT FOR THE MAJOR AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SHOP LAND USE AND THE GENERAL OFFICE ZONING DISTRICT. IT'S LOCATED KIND OF IN THE SOUTH PART OF DENTON OFF OF US 377 OR FORT WORTH DRIVE AND CENTRAL VILLAGE DRIVE. THEY ARE MAKING ARE USING AN EXISTING BUILDING ON SITE AND THEN JUST ADDING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO BRING IT UP INTO COMPLIANCE, AS WELL AS TO OFFER A LITTLE BIT MORE BUFFERING BETWEEN IT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND IT. STAFF DOES FIND IT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THE BACKUP. BUT HERE TO ANSWER ANY 
          QUESTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER MCDUFF. >> YES, MATT, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE BUFFER? I KNOW WE'RE REUSING. THE BUILDINGS, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CONVENIENCE STORE SET IN OPERATION. COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE 
          BUFFER POINTS? >> YEAH, I CAN, I'LL GO. WE GO. ACTUALLY, THIS ONE WILL PROBABLY BE A LITTLE EASIER. SO THE BUFFER IS REQUIRED THAT BEING A COMMERCIAL USE. AND THEN THOSE REAR PROPERTIES BEING RESIDENTIAL THEY'RE PROPOSING A 20 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THAT REAR PROPERTY LINE, WHICH SHALL INCLUDE THE EXISTING SOD FENCE THERE. THEY ARE ALSO PUTTING IN SOME TREES AND SHRUBS. AS WELL, TO HELP MITIGATE ANY IMPACTS. 
          >> OKAY. MAY I CONTINUE? AND IS THE THE FENCE ALONG THE BACK, THE GRAVEL PARKING LOT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE VEHICLES PARKED WAITING TO BE WORKED ON? 
          >> CORRECT. YES. >> OKAY. THANKS FOR THAT. AND THEN IF I MAY CONTINUE. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT THE EXHAUST FROM THE PAINT AND THE PAINT BOOTH. I HAVE A LITTLE EXPERIENCE PAINTING CARS, WORKING ON VEHICLES, AND I KNOW IT'S RATHER DREADFUL. SO CAN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE BEING CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? 
          >> YEAH. SO ANY SORT OF LIKE PAINTING, ANY SORT OF THAT WORK HAS TO BE DONE INSIDE THE PHYSICAL BUILDING. ITSELF, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED IN THE NARRATIVE IS PROMISED THAT THE EXHAUST VENT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE IT FACE AWAY FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND OBVIOUSLY ANY 
          MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT WILL BE ALSO SCREENED. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. 
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          >> ANYTHING ELSE? IT'S JUST SUPER SPEEDY. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING. THANK YOU. MATT. AND THAT BRINGS US TO OUR FINAL PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING. 5CDCA26-2. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. MIA HINES, SENIOR PLANNER. AND I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A SUMMARY OF THE SOUTHEASTERN OVERLAY PROJECT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. WE KIND OF WENT OVER THE DETAIL OF THIS PRESENTATION AT THE LAST. IT WASN'T THE LAST MEETING, THE SECOND TO LAST MEETING FOR THIS ONE. SO I WON'T COVER IT IN TOO MUCH DETAIL AND THEN KIND OF DEPENDENT ON YOU GUYS, HOW MUCH DETAIL YOU WANT US TO COVER IN THE, IN THE MAIN SESSION, BUT WE JUST HAVE A SUMMARY PRESENTATION FOR THAT AS WELL. SO WHAT THIS IS THE HEIGHT OR THE SOUTHEASTERN OVERLAY INCLUDES THREE SUB OVERLAY DISTRICTS, ESSENTIALLY A HEIGHT LIMITATION, A LIVE WORK OVERLAY AND A RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY. THESE ACTIONS WERE PROPOSING CAME OUT OF THE SOUTHEASTERN AREA PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN SUMMER OF 2025, FOR 20 SUMMER OF 2024. AND SO WE'RE IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THE ACTIONS THAT WERE APPROVED THAT ARE PROVIDED FOR IN THAT PLAN. THE HEIGHT OVERLAY IS INTENDED TO LIMIT THE HEIGHT IN THIS AREA, HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE TO BUILDINGS FOR AT 40FT. THE OVERLAY IS INTENDED TO INTRODUCE SOME MORE COMMERCIAL USES ALONG EAST PRAIRIE STREET. ALLOW FOR SOME MODERATE DENSITY DEVELOPMENT ALONG SKINNER, AND THEN ALLOW FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE SUCCINCT LIVE WORK OPERATIONS TO OCCUR ALONG ROBERTSON AND COOK STREET. AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY IS INTENDED TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURE OR REQUIRE ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF SOUTHEAST DENTON NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE WASN'T SHOWN. SO WE DID A PRESENTATION. 
          OH, THAT'S WHY THIS IS THE NOT THE SUMMARY. WE DID A PRE OR A HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING ON LAST ON APRIL. KNOW WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING LAST MONDAY. WE HAD OUR MEETING WITH YOU GUYS ON APRIL 8TH. WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING LAST MONDAY. APPROXIMATELY 73 MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ATTENDED THAT MEETING. AND ESSENTIALLY, WE DIDN'T HEAR MANY COMMENTS FROM THAT WERE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD AS FAR AS ALONG THE WHOLE AREA PLAN PROCESS. BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF POINTS HERE, JUST AS HIGHLIGHTED, ESSENTIALLY, WHAT SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE HEARD FROM, FROM THAT MEETING WAS. PEOPLE WERE CONFUSED OR TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE GENERAL INTENT OF THE PROPOSED OVERLAY. WE EXPLAINED THAT THIS CAME OUT OF THE AREA PLANNING PROCESS AND THAT JUST ESSENTIALLY WHAT I EXPLAINED TO YOU, THAT THE RESIDENTIAL PIECES ARE INTENDED TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS. ADDITIONALLY, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT APPLICABILITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE STANDARDS, HOW THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE. AND THEN THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS EXPRESSED ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS RESTRICTIONS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING WITHIN THE OVERLAY TO THAT, I THINK THERE WAS ALSO SOME CONFUSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT COMMERCIAL USES WOULD BE PERMITTED ALONG EAST PRAIRIE STREET. WE ARE PROPOSING TO ALLOW FOR A LIMITED AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL USES, INCLUDING A RESTAURANT ALONG EAST PRAIRIE STREET. AS FAR AS THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS PROPOSED, THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED. AS A RESULT OF SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND SO THAT'S OUT OF PROPOSED OUT OF RESPECT FOR THAT. THESE CONCERNS, LIKE I SAID, WERE RAISED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE AREA PLANNING PROCESS. 
          SO WE DID HAVE THAT THAT FINAL POINT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, NOTHING NEW IS PROPOSED AS FROM WHAT WE PROPOSED FROM THE APRIL 8TH, 2026 MEETING. BUT AT LEAST WE YOU ALL HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY DIRECTLY ON THAT ISSUE. WITH THAT, I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR CONCERNS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, JULIE IS HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY 
          MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL OR HEIGHT PIECE. >> YEAH. COMMISSIONER DYER. 
          >> SO THERE WAS A CONCERN BY THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS TRYING TO OPEN UP A RESTAURANT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE HOURS OF OPERATION. YOU'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY HOURS OF 
          OPERATION CHANGING FOR SITUATIONS LIKE THAT. >> SO NOT IN THIS CASE. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A A FOR ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL USES IN THIS AREA. WE WERE WE WOULD THEY 
          WOULD BE BEHOLDEN TO THOSE HOURS OF OPERATION RESTRICTIONS. >> CAN THEY APPLY FOR A 
          VARIANCE? >> THERE POTENTIALLY COULD BE THAT PROCESS. I THINK DEPENDING ON HOW THE LANGUAGE IS WRITTEN IN THE CODE, VARIANCES ARE OPEN, OPEN, OPEN OPTION FOR A. 
          DEPENDING ON WHAT SECTION OF THE CODE IT'S IN. SO POSSIBLY. BUT JUST AS IT'S WRITTEN, THAT 
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          WOULD BE THE THE REQUIREMENT. >> OKAY. >> AND I'LL LOOK TO HAILEY TO. 
          IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS. >> NO, I JUST WANT TO SAY KEEP IN MIND, ALTHOUGH THAT'S ONE ENTITY, ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS THAT OPINION, THOSE HOURS OF OPERATION WERE CAREFULLY CONSIDERED OVER MANY MONTHS OF OTHER PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FROM RESIDENTS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT CAUSE DISTURBANCES IN THE 
          EVENING. >> AND THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED. I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT, THAT DISCUSSION. AM I ALLOWED TO ASK COMMISSIONER 
          MCDADE A QUESTION IN THIS FORMAT? >> CAN I ASK WHAT. 
          >> I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT SHE. BECAUSE THAT'S THE. THIS IS THE AREA THAT YOU REPRESENT, RIGHT? I JUST KIND OF SEEING WHAT COMMUNITY FEEDBACK SHE RECEIVED AFTER THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. 
          SURE. IF SHE CAN SHARE THAT WITH US. >> I DID. 
          >> EXCUSE ME GUYS. HERE I GO TO MY VOICE. I DID ATTEND THE MEETING AND WHAT I GOT FROM THE MEETING, THE CONSENSUS WAS THAT THEY DO NOT WANT SOUTHEAST DENTON TREATED ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANY AREA OR ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY. AND SO THE ISSUE ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT THE YOUNG MAN BROUGHT UP WITH HIM TRYING TO OPEN A RESTAURANT, OR SOMEONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO OPEN A RESTAURANT, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOURS, EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM, THEY DID HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION, BECAUSE IF ACROSS MCKINNEY STREET, A RESTAURANT AND STORES CAN STAY OPEN TILL 12:00, 2:00, THE CONCERN WAS, WHY CAN A BUSINESS OWNER IN SOUTHEAST DENTON HAVE THAT SAME TYPE OF OPTION? SO THAT IS A LOT OF WHAT I GOT. AND STILL JUST SOME CONFUSION ON THE COMMUNICATION OF WHAT THIS IS AND THIS PLAN IS AND THE PURPOSE OF THE PLAN. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I GOT. BUT CERTAINLY THE HOURS OF OPERATION WAS AN ISSUE. SO I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT TODAY THAT YOU GUYS DID NOT GO BACK AND TRY TO COME BACK WITH SOME DIFFERENT HOURS TO PROPOSE 
          FOR THE COMMUNITY. >> IF I COULD RESPOND TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. SO THE REASON THAT THE HOURS OF OPERATION IS PROPOSED IS BECAUSE WHILE WE CONCUR THAT THE THE NATURE OF THE EXISTING LAND USE IN THE AREA DOES ALLOW FOR OR OPENS UP AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMERCIAL USES, LIKE THE ONES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL USES THE. IT'S IT'S STILL A CORE RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS ARE PROPOSED AS A. AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE DON'T HAVE. IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY IS A. AS A RANDOM MEN ZONE PROPERTY IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO THIS IS THIS IS A COMMERCIAL. WE'RE TRYING TO OPEN UP THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL BUSINESS IN WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER RESIDENTIAL ZONING AREA, THE AREAS OR THE BUSINESSES AND THE OTHER IN PROXIMITY TO THIS AREA, ESPECIALLY ALONG EAST MCKINNEY. EAST MCKINNEY IS A DIFFERENT IT'S A ROADWAY WITH A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION. SO IT'S HIGHER TRAFFIC. IT'S IN A. IT'S NOT IN THE CORE RESIDENTIAL PART OF THE CITY. IT'S KIND OF ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN I DID DO IT JUST FOR A COMPARATIVE STUDY OF WHAT THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS ARE, AT LEAST THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS POSTED FOR THOSE OTHER RESTAURANTS. AND THEY OFTEN CLOSE AT 9 P.M. 10 P.M. AT MOST. 
          I THINK I SAW 11 P.M. AND THEN THERE'S MAYBE LIKE A SHOP OR SOMETHING THAT'S 12 A.M. SO IF THEY ARE OPEN PAST THAT POINT, THAT'S POSSIBLE. BUT AT LEAST ON GOOGLE, THOSE WERE POSTED 
          HOURS OF OPERATION. >> YEAH. COMMISSIONER. >> CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE? IS IT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT OR THERE OR ONE THAT IS TRYING TO LIKE 
          TRYING TO OPEN LIKE A FUTURE? >> YEAH. SO THIS, I THINK THE RESTAURANT IN QUESTION IS THAT IT'S THE HUBS GRUB AT FOUR FOUR EAST PRAIRIE STREET. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE GOT HE REACHED OUT TO US VERY EARLY ON IN THE AREA PLANNING PROCESS. I TOLD HIM ABOUT GETTING INVOLVED IN THE AREA PLANNING PROCESS. I BELIEVE HE AND ONE OF OUR. 
          COMMITTEE STAKEHOLDER. OR WHAT DO WE CALL THAT? THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP. THE STEERING COMMITTEE WAS ON THE COMMISSION TO OFFER. WE TALKED ABOUT THE LIVE WORK OPTION WITH THEM. AS FAR AS OPENING UP THE DOOR FOR CREATING MORE COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES, THE REALITY OF IT IS, AGAIN, THIS IS STILL A RESIDENTIAL AREA. I KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE AREA WAS I KNOW THE EXISTING USES, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE OPENING IT UP FOR THE OPPORTUNITIES, BUT IT IS STILL A RESIDENTIAL AREA. BUT THE RESTAURANT 404 EAST PRAIRIE IS NOT. I BELIEVE HE HAS AN EXISTING BUSINESS, BUT AT 404 EAST PRAIRIE STREET THAT IS NOT PERMITTED FOR A RESTAURANT 
          CURRENTLY. >> OKAY, GOTCHA. BUT HE'S WANTING TO. 
          >> THAT'S WHAT HE'S WANTING TO DO. OKAY. AND THIS WOULD ALLOW HIM TO DO THAT. HE WOULD JUST 
          BE BEHOLDEN TO THOSE HOURS OF OPERATION. >> AND THEN REMIND ME WHAT THE 
          HOURS. >> SO THAT IS 8 A.M. TO 8 P.M. ON MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND 
          THEN 8 A.M. THROUGH 10 P.M. ON FRIDAYS THROUGH SUNDAY. >> OKAY. AND THEN HAS HE GIVEN 
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ANY IMPLICATION OF WHAT HE WOULD WANT THOSE HOURS EXTENDED TO? 
          >> HE HASN'T SAID I DID KIND OF TRY TO OPEN THAT DOOR TO, TO, TO LABEL. I THINK IN GENERAL, HE JUST WANTS THAT RESTRICTION REMOVED AND NOT NOT INCLUDED AS A PART OF THAT. 
          >> GOTCHA. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER MACDUFF. MACDUFF. YES, 
          >> JUST JUST A COMMENT. I WILL CONCUR WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER MCDADE HEARD. I THOUGHT THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE CONCERN ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION, AND I THINK THAT IT WAS NOT JUST DIRECTED TO THAT ONE GENTLEMAN THAT WANTED TO HAVE A RESTAURANT, BUT IN MY MIND, THAT VALIDATES WHAT ONE OF OUR CONCERNS WAS THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT WE'D HEARD AT THE APRIL 8TH P AND Z. PUBLIC HEARING. SO THERE WAS SOME VALIDATION ON THAT. I DID NOT HEAR IN THE OPEN AT THE SEDNA MEETING ISSUE, WHICH KIND OF SURPRISED ME ABOUT CHANGING THE BOUNDARY THAT WE HAD HEARD AT OUR APRIL 8TH MEETING. IN THE PUBLIC HEARING FROM DONALD MCDADE. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING THAT HE DID NOT SPEAK UP. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT I THOUGHT THAT WAS FRUITFUL AND IT WAS FRUITFUL FOR US TO ATTEND. THE COMMENT, THOUGH, THAT STRUCK ME WAS, WOULD YOU ALL BE DOING THIS IN SOUTH RIDGE? WELL, YOUR COMMENT, MAYOR, WAS IT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION AND THE RESTAURANTS AREN'T. BUT I DON'T HAVE A RESTAURANT NEXT DOOR TO ME OR AROUND THE CORNER, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST AS A PERSONAL NOTE THAT STRUCK A CHORD WITH ME. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED CONSIDERATE OF BEING FAIR. IS IT FAIR TO ALL CONCERNED? IS IT FAIR DISTRICT TO DISTRICT? SO, BUT JUST AS A POINT, THE HOURS OF OPERATION DID COME UP AGAIN. WE WERE CONCERNED LAST TIME AROUND, SO THAT WAS VERIFIED 
          FOR ME. AND THEN I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION. IF I MAY. >> LET'S GET A COMMENT FROM 
          STAFF FIRST. >> JUST WANTED TO COMMENT. ALTHOUGH CITY WIDE WE DO NOT HAVE BUSINESS HOURS OPERATION, IN OTHER INSTANCES WHERE WE'VE HAD COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS LIKE THIS INGRAINED WITHIN MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT, THERE ARE PD'S THAT REGULATE BUSINESS HOURS, SO IT'S NOT UNHEARD OF. IT'S NOT THAT IT DOESN'T OCCUR ELSEWHERE. IT'S ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS WHERE THOSE HAVE BEEN ADOPTED IN THE PAST. AND ALMOST ALL OF THEM I CAN THINK OF ARE WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AS THIS IS. 
          >> THANK YOU. HAILEY. >> YEAH. AND PLEASE CONTINUE. >> JUST AS A COMMENT, I'VE LOOKED AT THE BOCA POLICE HOURS TOO, AND THEY ARE THEY ARE TO 10:00. AND I THINK THAT WAS HIS POINT. MR. GARRETT'S POINT, THE RESTAURANTS AND THE ESTABLISHMENTS UP AND DOWN. 
          MCKINNEY. SO ANYWAY, JUST DOING A LITTLE HOMEWORK. BUT I THINK THE. MY OTHER QUESTION THOUGH, ERIC, IF I MAY, CHAIR PRUITT TO WRAP BACK AROUND, I'M REMEMBERING, MAYOR, THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THAT WE SAID WE HAD BEEN WORKING ON THIS STUDY FOR 18 MONTHS. SO IS 
          IT NOW APPROACHING 20 MONTHS? >> SORT OF. THEY GOT ADOPTED. >> I MEAN, YOU'VE DONE YOUR DUE 
          DILIGENCE. >> CERTAINLY THAT. >> THAT SOUNDS CORRECT. AND I WOULD ALSO JUST ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS OVERLAY IS NOT JUST SOMETHING STAFF IS DOING ON A WHIM. THIS WAS A VERY TARGETED, SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION OF THE AREA PLAN THAT HAD ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW, YEAR OR TWO YEARS WORTH OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. AND THE CORE PURPOSE OF IT WAS TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTHEAST AND ENSURE THAT RESIDENTS AREN'T BEING BURDENED BY NUISANCES FROM FROM THINGS IN THEIR AREA OR PUSHED OUT OF THEIR HOMES BY INCREASING COSTS AND CHANGES TO THE AREA. SO JUST PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THOSE CORE VALUES AND PURPOSE THAT WERE BEHIND THAT AREA. PLAN FROM THE START AND KNOW THAT THIS RECOMMENDATION AND THE BOUNDARIES OF IT AND EVERYTHING THAT STAFF IS DOING WERE DIRECT GOALS AND ACTIONS SET OUT IN THAT AREA PLAN. SO WE CAN'T DISREGARD THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT DID ESSENTIALLY MODIFY OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND BECOME A MORE TARGETED 
          VERSION OF THE COMP PLAN FOR THIS AREA WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED. >> WELL, AND I'M NOT SPEAKING AGAINST THIS, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE AWARE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD 
          CONCERNS. >> COMMISSIONER SAID. >> SO I HAVE A QUESTION, PROBABLY MORE FOR HAILEY. WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, APPROVING IT WITH SOME RECOMMENDATION FOR VARIANCE, POTENTIALLY, BECAUSE I ALSO BROUGHT UP OPERATION HOURS OF 
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OPERATION BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE CHILD CARE IN A HOME IS PERFECT AS WELL. BUT SOME PEOPLE NEED 
          THOSE EXTENDED HOURS. >> SURE. SO THIS AT FACE VALUE IS A CODE AMENDMENT COMING BEFORE YOU ALL TONIGHT. SO JUST LIKE ANY OTHER AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL APPROVAL AS PRESENTED APPROVAL WITH MODIFICATIONS OF CERTAIN PROVISIONS OR RECOMMENDED DENIAL. IF YOU TRULY DISAGREE WITH WHAT'S PROPOSED, I WOULD SAY COMING OUT OF TONIGHT, GIVEN HOW LONG THIS HAS TAKEN, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU ALL GIVE US SOME SORT OF RECOMMENDATION RATHER THAN SENDING US BACK FOR ADDITIONAL ENGAGEMENT OR ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER. AND I WOULD ALSO CAUTIONS THAT WE NOT TRY TO CRAFT AMENDMENT LANGUAGE ON THE DAIS. PLEASE TRUST US TO TAKE YOUR INTENT AND BE ABLE TO DO SO BEFORE COUNCIL, UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S JUST LIKE COMPLETELY REWRITING THE WHOLE 
          THING, IN WHICH CASE. >> RIGHT. WELL, I KNOW THAT SOME THINGS CAN GO TO THE DIRECTOR. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THIS THAT COULD HAPPEN WITH THIS AS WELL? 
          >> SO AS IT'S WRITTEN, I BELIEVE THEY THEIR OPTION WOULD BE TO SEEK A VARIANCE THROUGH THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, BECAUSE IT IS A NUMERIC STANDARD AND CBA HAS THE ABILITY TO ESSENTIALLY OPERATE A DIMMER SWITCH UP OR DOWN ON THINGS SUCH AS THAT. SO THAT OPTION WOULD BE AVAILABLE IF THIS WERE ADOPTED AS IT'S WRITTEN TODAY. IF WE WANTED A DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN THAT, THEN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CRAFTED AND WRITTEN SPECIFICALLY INTO THIS OVERLAY. AND WE WOULD, I WOULD SAY, NEED MORE TIME TO CONSIDER WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. HILARY, JUST TO MAKE SURE SHE CONCURS THERE. BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WANTED WAS FOR STAFF PRIOR TO COUNCIL TO COME UP WITH A PROCESS SUCH AS THAT, WE COULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT AND PUT OUR BEST EFFORT INTO THAT. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> SO, MIA, I MAY BE THE SLOW ONE HERE, BUT AS I LOOK AT THE MAP, THE PARCELS WITHIN THE. LIVE WORK OVERLAY SECTION, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY ZONED TO ALLOW A RESTAURANT USE, ARE LIMITED TO THE TRAPEZOIDAL PARCEL ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER, WHICH IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE MORRISON CORN KITS, CORRECT? RIGHT. AS WELL AS ABOUT 3 TO 4 PARCELS. ONE OF THEM I THINK, HAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON IT ALONG ROBERTSON STREET. IS THAT 
          SORRY, I GET LOST IN THE A, B, AND C. >> SO YOU'RE SAYING ESSENTIALLY IS THE NW PROPERTIES ARE THE THE ZONING THAT ALLOWS FOR RESTAURANTS? THOSE ARE LIMITED. 
          YES. >> OKAY. SO CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I WAS OUT OF TOWN DURING THE MEETING, ARE, ARE THE CONCERNS FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS CENTERED AROUND THE THAT NORTHWEST CORNER PARCEL OR THEY CENTERED AROUND THE PARCELS ALONG ROBERTSON STREET, OR ARE THEY CENTERED AROUND PARCELS ALONG EAST PRAIRIE WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY 
          NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY PARCELS? >> IT WOULD APPLY TO THEM ALL. OKAY. SO AS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, BASED ZONING STAYS THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN SECTION A ALONG EAST PRAIRIE, CERTAIN LIMITED COMMERCIAL USES WOULD BE PERMITTED, INCLUDING RESTAURANT ALONG SECTION B. AGAIN, BASE ZONING STAYS. SO FOR PROPERTIES, THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED THERE ARE PERMITTED. AND THEN WE'VE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE FOR SOME MIXED MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. AND ALONG SECTION C BASIC ZONING STANDARDS. AND THEN WE'VE KIND OF ADJUSTED THE LANGUAGE FOR LIVE WORK TO MAKE MORE SENSE WITH WHAT THE ICC REQUIRES IN ALL OF THIS AREA. FOR ANY NEW COMMERCIAL USE, THE HOURS OF OPERATION RESTRICTION WOULD APPLY REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE BASE ZONING IS, REGARDLESS OF WHICH SUBSECTION IT'S IN. 
          >> OKAY, UNDERSTOOD. I GUESS I'M. THE PIECE OF INFORMATION I DON'T HAVE SINCE I WASN'T AT THE MEETING IS WHERE THE THE CONCERN OVER THE RESTRICTION OF HOURS GEOGRAPHICALLY IS COMING FROM. BECAUSE BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE TO ME IF IT'S PARCELS ALONG ROBERTSON THAT ARE ZONED M N IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME IF IT'S PARCELS OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EAST PRAIRIE, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AFFECTED BY IT. AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME IF IT'S THE NORTHWEST PARCEL, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT DEVELOPED AND NOT OWNED BY PEOPLE IN THE 
          CONVERSATION. >> WHEN YOU SAY THEY'RE NOT AFFECTED BY IT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? BECAUSE IT DOES APPLY. THE HOURS OF OPERATION RESTRICTIONS APPLIES TO ALL NEW 
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          COMMERCIAL USES IN. >> THE AREA. SORRY. MENTALLY, I'M I'M VIEWING THE CURRENT ZONING MAP. ON TOP OF THIS, THE PARCELS WHICH ARE ZONED M N ABUTTING EAST PRAIRIE STREET, ARE LIMITED TO THOSE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EAST PRAIRIE, SORT OF ON THE FROM FROM THE RAIL TRAIL OVER ABOUT HALF A BLOCK. RIGHT. THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE OVERLAY. 
          CORRECT. AS WELL AS THE LITTLE CHUNK, WHICH IS BASICALLY DRIVEWAY ACCESS, WHICH MEANS THE WHOLE PARCEL HAS TO COMPLY OF, OF THAT, THAT PARCEL. AND THEN THE THIRD PART WOULD BE THE ONES ALONG. ROBERTSON. SO MY QUESTION IS, WHEN THE COMMUNITY TALKS ABOUT CONCERN OVER HOURS OF OPERATION AND FLEXIBILITY OF USE, IS WHICH ONE OF THOSE THREE AREAS ARE WE 
          TALKING ABOUT, OR IS THE CONCERN COMING FROM. >> ALL OF THE AREA IN THE LIVE WORK OVERLAY? THEY DON'T WANT THE THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS. THEY WANT JUST TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE THE COMMERCIAL USES WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THEY CAN OPERATE THE COMMERCIAL 
          USES. >> OKAY, OKAY, SORRY. I'M SLOW. I JUST. 
          >> I MAY HAVE UNDERSTOOD YOUR MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION AS WELL. 
          >> AM I MAKING SENSE? CHARLIE? I THINK I UNDERSTAND AND THAT'S VERY CLEAR. I JUST WANT TO MAKE 
          SURE THAT I'M ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH. >> YEAH. AND WHAT MIA SAID IS CORRECT. I JUST WANTED TO ADD IN A LITTLE BIT HERE, AND I KNOW A LOT OF THE DISCUSSIONS CENTERED AROUND A SINGLE PARCEL IN THE IN THE HOURS OF OPERATION THERE. BUT THIS OPENS THE DOOR FOR FUTURE CONVERSIONS OF RESIDENTIAL. SO YOU COULD HAVE A PROPERTY ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL THAT NOW HAS HOURS OF OPERATION THAT ARE EXPANDED. AND SO YOU, YOU NOW LIVE NEXT TO A BUSINESS THAT COULD BE OPERATING, YOU KNOW, WELL INTO THE NIGHT. SO I JUST WANT TO PUT A LITTLE CONTEXT FOR THE COMMISSION AROUND THE FACT THAT IT'S, IT'S THIS AND FUTURE CONVERSIONS OF PROPERTY THAT WILL BE IMPACTED BY THIS DISCUSSION. AND I THINK ONE OF THE POINTS THAT COMMISSIONER PRUITT BROUGHT UP, TOO, WAS THIS THIS EXPANDS THE ABILITY OF PEOPLE, WHAT PEOPLE CAN DO HERE. AND SO IT ALSO GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THERE'S THERE'S NOT BUSINESSES IN THESE AREAS NOW. SO WE'RE ALLOWING THE BUSINESSES IN THESE AREAS. AND IT DOES COME WITH THOSE HOURS OF OPERATION. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE NOW. 
          SO IT'S PROVIDING MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS AREA AND THE WALKABILITY AND THINGS THAT COME ALONG WITH THOSE KIND OF MORE COMMERCIAL THINGS IN THIS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT MAYBE NOT THE IMPACTS TO AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OR PROPERTY BEHIND YOU OR 
          SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> YEAH. COMMISSIONER DYER. >> SO I KNOW WE'RE JUST FOCUSED ON THIS ONE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL AND HIS RESTAURANT, BUT. IF, FOR EXAMPLE, HE OR ANOTHER BUSINESS WANTED TO OPERATE OUTSIDE OF THAT 8:00 DEADLINE DURING THE WEEK AND THE 10:00 DEADLINE ON A SATURDAY, ON A FRIDAY AND A SATURDAY. WHAT WOULD GETTING A VARIANCE LOOK LIKE? AND WHAT IS WHAT IS THE RATE OF SUCCESS FOR SOMEBODY IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD GET. THAT APPROVED? I GUESS THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE IF IF WE APPROVE THIS, LIKE IT IS, IT'S NOT A HARD NO TO THIS INDIVIDUAL OR OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE FUTURE. THERE IS A PROCESS FOR THEM THAT THEY COULD REQUEST A VARIANCE, AND 
          THEY COULD REQUEST TO HAVE EXTENDED HOURS OF OPERATION. >> YES, I WOULD SAY THE VARIANCE PROCESS, KEEP IN MIND, DOES HAVE TO BE A HARDSHIP. SO THEY'D HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE IS SOME SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THEIR BUSINESS BASED ON THE STANDARDS THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE. THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THIS. THIS IS A PROVISION GOING IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO LIKE ANY OTHER PROVISION, IF WE GET DOWN THE ROAD AND FIND IT'S NOT WORKING AND WE'RE SEEING SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF VARIANCE REQUESTS THAT INDICATE TO US THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM, IT CAN COME BACK BEFORE YOU ALL AND COUNCIL TO AMEND THAT IN THE 
          FUTURE, SHOULD THERE BE A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE. THANK YOU. >> I GUESS JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY IS AWARE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DEFINITION OF HARDSHIP AND HOW THAT FACTORS INTO STAFF'S DETERMINATION ABOUT WHETHER AN APPLICATION IS ALLOWED TO GO TO ZBA, OR 
          WHETHER THEY WOULD REQUIRE A ZONING CHANGE? >> SO SHORT OF SOMEONE WANTING TO ALTER LAND USE PERMISSIONS, PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING IN THE CODE CAN GO TO ZBA FOR FOR VARIANCE, THE HARDSHIP PROVISIONS ARE OUTLINED IN STATE LAW. AND ESSENTIALLY THEY 
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HAVE TO PROVE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING UNIQUE TO THEIR PROPERTY THAT MAKES THE CODE NOT FIT AND CAUSE A HARDSHIP OR A BURDEN ON THEM THAT DOES NOT APPLY ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY OR OTHER SIMILAR PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CITY. REALLY, THE ONLY RESTRICTION TO THEIR ARGUMENT IS IT CAN'T JUST BE PURELY FOR FINANCIAL GAIN. BUT HILLARY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO FURTHER EXPOUND ON THAT, BUT IN A NUTSHELL, I THINK THAT COVERS IT. 
          >> I THINK YOU COVERED IT. A COMPONENT OF CHAIR'S QUESTION WAS ALSO WHAT, WHAT OF HARDSHIP NEEDS TO BE SHOWN TO FOR STAFF TO BRING AN APPLICATION FORWARD? AND THAT'S REALLY A FINDING OF FACT FOR ZBA. SO BASICALLY STAFF IS GOING TO BE CHECKING FOR IS AN ARGUMENT MADE, THEN THE APPLICATION IS COMPLETE IN THAT REGARD. WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THAT ARGUMENT OR WHETHER WE THINK THERE'S EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT, THAT GOES INTO THE STAFF ANALYSIS. BUT IT'S NOT 
          SOMETHING THAT IS GATEKEPT FROM THE ABILITY TO BE HEARD. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER 
          RIGGS. >> WELL, FIRST OFF, SORRY FOR BEING LATE. IF YOU ALREADY COVERED THIS, I APOLOGIZE AGAIN. HOW MANY HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY PARTICIPATED IN ALL OF 
          THE OUTREACH THAT WE'VE DONE? >> ALL OF IT TOTAL. I'M NOT SURE. I THINK THERE'S SOME OVERLAPS IN THERE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE ATTENDED MULTIPLE OF THE EVENTS, BUT WE WE HAD, I THINK, OVER UPWARD OF 40 SOMETHING PLUS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENTS JUST FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE AREA PLAN ALONE. AND THEN WE DID THREE DIFFERENT ONES BEFORE WE BROUGHT THIS TO YOU ALL IN APRIL 8TH TO ENSURE SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THE OVERLAY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. AND THEN AT MONDAY'S MEETING LAST WEEK, ABOUT 73 MEMBERS OF THE 
          COMMUNITY ATTENDED THAT MEETING. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER DYER. 
          >> HOW DOES MONDAY'S ATTENDANCE RATE COMPARED TO PAST COMMUNITY MEETINGS? 
          >> IT WAS PRETTY HIGH FOR THE FOR I THINK ANY OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE PUT ON, JUST MEETING BASIC FORMAT, I THINK THAT WAS THE HIGHEST THAT WE'VE SEEN PARTICIPATION AT THAT POINT. 
          AGAIN, A LOT OF THE THINGS AND COMMENTS AND STUFF THAT WE'VE HEARD AT THAT MEETING, WE'VE HEARD BEFORE. SO IT WAS FUN OPPORTUNITY. I THINK SOME OF IT WAS A FRUSTRATION THAT THIS WAS 
          POSTPONED ONCE MORE. >> COMMISSIONER PATTERSON. >> CAN YOU GO INTO SOME OF THE 
          COST ASSOCIATED WITH A VARIANCE IN A. >> I DON'T HAVE THE FEE SCHEDULE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE BALLPARK OF LIKE $250 TO APPLY, AND 
          THAT'S THE ONLY FEE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. >> OKAY. THANKS. 
          >> YEAH. AND I'LL JUST REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT WHILE WE HAVE A TABLE OF FEES FOR APPLICATIONS AT THE CITY LEVEL, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH BUSINESS OPERATIONS, THE PRIMARY COST IS THE FACT THAT YOU'RE NOT OPERATING DURING THAT TIME, THAT YOU'RE SEEKING 
          PERMISSIONS. >> WELL, THE LIVE WORK IS ESSENTIALLY THERE SO THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF COST, RIGHT? THAT'S THE ONE OF THE POINTS OF THAT. SO THAT PEOPLE CAN WORK OUT OF THEIR RESIDENCE AND KIND OF HAVE A BUSINESS THERE. 
          >> PARTIALLY. I WILL SAY THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING WITH THE OVERLAY IS ACTUALLY IT'S MAKING THE LIVE WORK WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR DDC A LITTLE BIT MORE AFFORDABLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT REQUIRING THE EXTENSIVE, SOME OF THE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT A TYPICAL LIVE WORK THING. BUT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, AT LEAST FOR EAST PRAIRIE STREET, WOULD JUST ALLOW FOR A STANDALONE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS WITHOUT THE LIVE WORK, THE RESIDENCE PIECE. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF LESS LAST MINUTE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET OR STAFF MIGHT BE ABLE TO GATHER. I THINK THE GOAL IS THAT WE CAN HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY AND. AND CONSIDER THIS THIS EVENING. YEAH. COMMISSIONER GARLAND. 
          >> OKAY, I JUST HAVE ONE MORE. AND LIKE YOU SAID, I KNOW THAT WE'LL PROBABLY HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THIS. DO YOU MIND KIND OF SHARING THE PEOPLE THAT DID ATTEND, DID IT SEEM LIKE THE INDIVIDUALS OR MAYBE THE THE NEIGHBORS THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THE POTENTIAL RESTAURANT GOING IN? WERE THEY IN FAVOR OF IT? DID YOU FEEL OR WERE THEY KIND OF AGAINST IT? 
          >> SO THE FEEDBACK THAT WE ACTUALLY GOT WRITTEN RESPONSES ARE. A BIT MIXED. I THINK THAT THE FOR THE MAJORITY, WHAT WE ACTUALLY HEARD FROM PEOPLE WITHIN THE LIVE WORK AREA, THOSE THAT WERE OPPOSED WERE NOT OPPOSED TO THE LIVE WORK COMPONENTS OF IT. THEY WERE OPPOSED TO THE HOURS OF RESTRICTIONS. AND THEN I THINK JUST IN GENERAL AROUND THE 
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SOUTHEASTERN COMMUNITY, WE ACTUALLY GOT MORE OPPOSITION ON THE WRITTEN OPPOSITION ON THE 
          OTHER PIECE THAN LIVE WORK. SO, OKAY. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT, I 
          APPRECIATE IT. >> YEAH. COMMISSIONER MCDUFF. >> JUST TO ADD ANOTHER COMMENT TO THE THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT AT THE THE SEDNA MEETING, IT SEEMS TO ME THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM FOLKS THAT HAD RENTAL PROPERTY ON RENTAL PROPERTY IN SOUTHEAST DENTON. I RECOGNIZE NAMES THAT I'VE BEEN ACQUAINTED WITH BEFORE. SO THERE WAS SOME OF THAT TOO, THAT DICTATED THEIR THE CONCERNS OF THE DESIGN. IT WAS QUITE SEVERAL ON THOSE. BUT THEY TRULY WERE RESIDENTS. IT SEEMED THEY WEREN'T RESIDENTS IN SOUTHEASTERN. 
          >> YEAH. COMMISSIONER RIGGS. >> YEAH. AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE IF THIS IS ALREADY STATED, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE VERY FIRST COMMENTS WAS THAT THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOWED UP BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL TOLD THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO BUY UP THE PROPERTY. AND SO THEY KIND OF CAME LOADED TO BEAR AND, AND KIND OF KIND OF READY TO GO. SO I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF MISCONCEPTIONS ON, ON WHAT THE, THE MEETING WAS EVEN ABOUT. SO BUT THAT'S FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, THAT'S WHY A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE SHOWED UP IS BECAUSE THEY, THEY THOUGHT THAT 
          THE CITY WAS TRYING TO GO BUY UP ALL THE PROPERTIES AGAIN. SO. >> MAYBE I'M SLOW, BUT I, I PICK UP ON WORDS AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M FOLLOWING. YOU SAID AGAIN, BUYING UP. IS THAT 
          IN REFERENCE TO THE THE 1920S QUAKER TOWN? OKAY. >> THANK YOU. YEAH. AND THEY, 
          THEY, THEY MENTIONED THAT OKAY. PART OF THE COMMENTS. >> CERTAINLY. ANYTHING ELSE? I GUESS WE DIDN'T IN THIS WORK SESSION. OBVIOUSLY, WE TALKED ABOUT IT EXTENSIVELY BEFORE, BUT YOU MENTIONED THAT, THAT WE HAVEN'T FOCUSED TODAY SO FAR ON THE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING. WAS, WAS ANY OF THE FEEDBACK ABOUT THAT DIFFERING FROM THE GENERAL FEEDBACK WE HAD HEARD BEFORE? WHAT WHAT WAS THE FLAVOR OF THAT? 
          >> I DON'T THINK SO. BUT THAT'S JULIE'S FAVORITE TOPIC, SO I'LL LET HER. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, JULIE WYATT. SO WE HAD A COUPLE OF FOLKS TALK ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. I THINK SOME OF THEM ARE ANXIOUS TO GET THESE REGULATIONS IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTHEAST DENTON WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE VISION OF THAT. WE DID HEAR FROM ONE COMMUNITY MEMBER WHO WAS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE THE REGULATIONS STIFLING CREATIVITY. AND CERTAINLY THAT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN THAT WE WE LOOK AT, WHICH IS KIND OF WHY THESE REGULATIONS MIMIC HOW WE SET UP THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THAT THERE'S REALLY KIND OF A MENU OF ITEMS NOW FOR THE SOUTHEAST DENTON RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY, WE ARE PROPOSING TO REQUIRE EITHER A FRONT PORCH OR A STOOP ON, ON ANY HOMES, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED, PER THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE. BUT GIVEN GIVEN THE THE OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF HOMES IN SOUTHEAST DENTON THAT HAVE A FRONT PORCH, WE WANTED TO RESPECT THAT. THAT CURRENT ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY BY. BY PUTTING THIS IN. AND IT WAS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY HAD EXPRESSED INTEREST IN AS WELL. SO THAT WAS THAT WAS REALLY THE MAIN ISSUE RELATED TO RESIDENTIAL, I THINK, IS THE 
          CONCERN ABOUT STIFLING CREATIVITY. >> SO. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF. 
          THE I BELIEVE THE RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS. LIMITATIONS ARE PRIMARILY IN BUILDING HEIGHT, NOT NECESSARILY YOU. YOU. THE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS ARE A. YOU MUST INCLUDE NOT. YOU MAY NOT INCLUDE X, Y, Z. IS THAT CORRECT? 
          >> SO THE. YES, IF I THINK I THINK IF I UNDERSTAND. SO THE. THE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS ARE. YOU MUST INCLUDE A FRONT PORCH OR STOOP WITH. WITH THE MINIMUM SIZE. ONE THING THAT IT DOES PROHIBIT WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE A SHED ROOF OR A FLAT ROOF OR SOME OTHER MORE MODERNIST ROOF STYLE. GIVEN THE, THE, THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES OF CRAFTSMAN, BUNGALOW AND RANCH STYLE, BUT AND THEN ALSO REQUIRING THAT THE WINDOWS AND DOORS BE GREATER THAN WHAT THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE MINIMUM STANDARDS WOULD REQUIRE JUST TO HAVE THOSE 
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LARGER, MORE PROMINENT WINDOWS AND DOORS ON THE FRONT FACADE OF OF NEW HOMES. OTHERWISE, IT WOULD ENCOURAGE THE FORMS OF THINGS LIKE DORMERS OR BAY WINDOWS, OR THE MULTI-PANE MISSION STYLE WINDOWS, BUT IT WOULDN'T PROHIBIT SOMETHING LIKE LIKE AN INSET DOOR OR, OR A RECESSED ENTRY, PROVIDED THAT THERE'S A FRONT PORCH, THERE STILL WOULD, THEY COULD THEY COULD HAVE A RECESSED ENTRY IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY DESIRED. SO IT'S, IT'S TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THOSE, THOSE FORMS WITHOUT BEING REALLY LIMITING. OKAY. IT'S A BALANCE. 
          >> SO, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT. LIMITATIONS ON CREATIVITY, THAT'S PRIMARILY I, AM I INTERPRETING THAT CORRECTLY? IF I THINK OF IT AS MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT TO CREATE ARCHITECTURAL FORMS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE, THE DESIRED SET THAT WAS IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE 
          SOUTHEASTERN PLAN. >> YES. SO AND I DID GET A SUGGESTION ABOUT ADDING A SLIDE IN TO KIND OF DEMONSTRATE WHAT THE POTENTIAL COULD HAPPEN AND WHAT THE, THE AREA PLAN OR WHAT THE RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY WOULD TRY TO LIMIT THOSE TYPES OF ARCHITECTURAL FORMS WOULD BE REALLY THOSE MODERNIST ARCHITECTURAL FORMS YOU SEE, YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN, ALSO REALLY TALL HEIGHTS, THREE STORY BUILDINGS. AND, AND REALLY THAT INTENT IS TO KIND OF LIMIT THE, THE REAL MODERNIST ARCHITECTURAL FORMS WHILE ENCOURAGING FORMS THAT LOOK CONSISTENT WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE CURRENT CHARACTER OF SOUTHEASTERN. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER RIGGS. >> SO I KNOW THERE'S TWO HOMES THAT. NO, IT SEEMS LIKE NO ONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKES. WE JUST PUT PICTURES OF THOSE UP 
          AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO. >> TALK ABOUT. ANY SPECIFIC. 
          >> I THINK THAT WOULD GET THE MESSAGE TO EVERYONE OF WHAT'S WHAT THE OVERLAYS WOULD PROTECT AGAINST. AND ULTIMATELY, IT'S SOME OF THESE MODERN STYLE HOMES THAT THEY THAT THEY FEEL ARE GOING TO RAISE THE PRICE POINT AND BASICALLY PRICE PEOPLE OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO. >> ANYTHING ELSE? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING. THANK YOU JULIE. 
          THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS WHOOPS. BRINGS US UP TO OUR NO WORK SESSIONS TODAY. SO THAT'S. AM I CORRECT? OKAY, SO AT 5:49 P.M. WITH NO OBJECTION, WE'LL TAKE A RECESS UNTIL WE RECONVENE FOR THE REGULAR SESSION IN COUNCIL CHAMBERSGOOD EVENING. WITH THE M PRESENT AT 6:30 P.M. THIS WEDNESDAY, MAY 27TH, 2026, WE'LL RECONVENE OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE 
          [1. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
REGULAR SESSION. OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS TO STAND AND SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE U.S. AND TEXAS FLAGS. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. OUR FIRST ITEM IS 2APZ26-86. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF 
          [2. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MINUTES FOR:]
THE. MAY 13TH 28TH P AND Z. MEETING MINUTES. COMMISSIONER KOCHER SAID. 
          >> A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES. >> AND COMMISSIONER DIRE. 
          >> I WILL SECOND THAT. THAT WAS LOUD. SORRY. >> SEEING NO DISCUSSION, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE BOARD. AND THAT ITEM PASSES SEVEN ZERO. BRINGS US TO OUR NEXT ITEM, THE 
          [3. CONSENT AGENDA]
CONSENT AGENDA THREE A ONE ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, COMMISSIONER MCDUFF. 
          >> YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
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          >> AND, COMMISSIONER RIGGS. >> I SECOND. >> NOT SEEING ANY DISCUSSION. 
          I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE BOARD. >> NEED TO UPGRADE. THE 
          COMPUTER IS DELAYING ON THE. NIGHT. >> OKAY, OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. SO CAN WE HAVE OUR MOTION? AND OUR SECOND MR. RE PRESS THE BUTTONS HERE AND BE RECOGNIZED ONCE IT UPDATES. 
          IS IT LOADED? IT'S ON MY SCREEN. IT SAYS QUICK INDEX ITEM, NOT THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          IS THIS VALID FOR THE CONSENT? >> CONSENT? OH NOW. >> OKAY. 
          >> I THINK THEY NEED TO UPDATE IT IN THE BACK FOR THAT. >> GOT IT. OKAY. SO THIS IS REVOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. VOTE ON THE BOARD AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THINGS RE SYNCED UP. 
          NOW WE HAVE IT. OKAY. THIRD TIME'S THE CHARM. THERE WE GO. NOT QUITE CONSENT AGENDA. DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE BOARD? IF SOMEBODY CAN SELECT. COMMISSIONER GARLAND. 
          >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> THANK YOU. AND COMMISSIONER SAID. 
          >> I SECOND THAT MOTION. >> THANK YOU. AND NOT SEEING ANY DISCUSSION. I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE BOARD. AND THE CONSENT AGENDA PASSES. SEVEN ZERO BRINGS US TO OUR ITEMS FOR 
          [A. FP26-0014 Consider a request by Grayson Hughes of Sutherland King Consulting, on behalf of the property owner, for approval of a Final Plat of Affordable Estates, Lot 1, Block 1. The approximately 1.832-acre site is generally located on the west side of Hinkle Drive, approximately 107 feet south of the southeast corner of the intersection of Hinkle Drive and Meadow Ridge Drive, in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas. (FP26-0014, Affordable Estates, Sean Jacobson)]
          INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. FOR A FP26-14. >> I'LL NEED TO ABSTAIN FROM 
          THIS. >> CERTAINLY. >> GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. SHAWN JACOBSON, SENIOR PLANNER, AND CAN MOVE OUT TO THE CORRECT ONE HERE TO PRESENT. FP2614. THIS IS A PROPOSED PLAT FOR LOT ONE BLOCK A AFFORDABLE ESTATES ADDITION. AT THIS TIME IT DOES NOT MEET OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, SO STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL BUT DOES NOT HAVE AN OBJECTION TO REQUESTED EXTENSION TO A DATE CERTAIN OF JUNE 10TH, 2026. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MCDUFF. >> YES, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FIRST EXTENSION TO A DATE CERTAIN OF JUNE 10TH, 2026. 
          >> AND COMMISSIONER RIGGS. >> SECOND. >> SEEING NO DISCUSSION, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE BOARD. AND THAT ITEM PASSES SIX ZERO WITH ONE ABSTENTION. 
          [B. FP26-0015 Consider a request by Mitchell Ryan of Trailspur, LLC, on behalf of the property owner, for approval of a Flex Business Park Addition, Block 1, Lot 1. The approximately 4.991-acre site is generally located on the west side of Rankin Drive, at the intersection of Rankin Drive and Leatherwood Lane, in the City of Denton’s Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Division 1, Denton County, Texas. (FP26-0015, Flex Business Park Addition, Sean Jacobson)]
          COMMISSIONER. WE'RE GOOD. BRINGS US TO ITEM 4BFP26-15. >> GOOD EVENING AGAIN, CHAIR SHAWN JACOBSON, SENIOR PLANNER HERE TO PRESENT FP2615. THIS IS A PROPOSED PLAT FOR THE FLEX BUSINESS PARK ADDITION. THIS DOES NOT CURRENTLY MEET OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL, BUT HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE REQUESTED EXTENSION TO A DATE CERTAIN OF 
          JUNE 10TH, 2026. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. SHAWN. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDUFF. >> YES, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON AGREEMENT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR A FIRST EXTENSION TO A DATE CERTAIN OF JUNE 10TH, 2026. 
          >> JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, IT'S IT'S NOT ACTUALLY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. IT'S THE 
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          REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT. CORRECT. >> RECEIVED. 
          >> OKAY. AND COMMISSIONER GARLAND. >> AND I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. 
          >> THANK YOU. SEEING? NO DISCUSSION, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM ON THE BOARD. THAT ITEM PASSES SEVEN ZERO. ITEM FOUR C HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN FROM THE APPLICANT, SO WE WILL NOT TAKE ACTION ON THAT AT THIS TIME. THAT BRINGS US TO OUR FIRST 
          [A. Z26-0005 Hold a public hearing and consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding a request by Jamie Bratton of Winston-Cox Waterworx, on behalf of the property owner, ZBH Denton Ltd, to rezone approximately 2 acres of land from a Residential 2 (R2) zoning district to a Light Industrial (LI) zoning district. The subject site is generally located on the south side of FM 377, approximately 1,025 feet east of the intersection of FM 377 and North Trinity Road in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas. (Z26-0005, Winston-Cox Waterworx, Sean Jacobson)]
          PUBLIC HEARING. ITEM 5AZ26-5. GOOD EVENING. >> GOOD EVENING, GOOD EVENING. 
          THIS. THERE WE GO. GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          SHAWN JACOBSON, SENIOR PLANNER. PULL UP Z 2615 TO FIND THIS HERE. THERE WE ARE. Z 265. THE WINSTON COX WATERWORKS. SO THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R-2 RESIDENTIAL TWO TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TWO ACRE PROPERTY. THIS IS LOCATED ON EAST UNIVERSITY DRIVE. SO US 380. IT IS AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING OUTDOOR STORAGE LAND USE ON THAT PROPERTY. NOW THIS WAS DEVELOPED WITHOUT PROPER AUTHORIZATION PERMITTING. THEY'RE PURSUING THIS ZONING CHANGE TO LEE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. IN ORDER TO REMEDY THAT, IT IS SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL TO THE EAST, SOUTH AND NORTH. YOU CAN SEE THERE. WE'VE REVIEWED THIS AGAINST ALL OF OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, BOTH FOR EVERY TYPE OF PROJECT, PLUS THE ONES THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO ZONING CHANGES. AND IT DOES MEET THOSE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. THE FUTURE LAND USE HERE. SO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE ALWAYS WANT TO CONSIDER WHETHER THE PROPOSED REZONING IS IN ALIGNED WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. FUTURE LAND USE IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. YOU'LL RECALL THAT THIS AREA WAS RECENTLY AMENDED BY CITY COUNCIL PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. BASED ON THE INCREASE IN REQUEST WE GOT IN THIS AREA FOR INTEREST IN DEVELOPING COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL AS WELL AS THE EXPECTED CHANGES IN THE AREA WITH THE COMING OF TEX DOTS FREEWAY IN THE IN PLACE OF 380. 
          SO AGAIN, THERE'S JUST AN EXPECTATION THAT THIS AREA WAS CHANGING. SO WE CHANGED THE FUTURE LAND USE TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN THIS AREA. THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING THAT IS REQUESTED, OF COURSE ALIGNS WITH THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE. SO MEETS THE EXPECTATION FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND IT DOES ALSO HELP ACHIEVE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS GOAL TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE LAND FOR NONRESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL ECONOMIC GROWTH GOING INTO THE FUTURE. SO OVERALL, CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AS I NOTED, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE CAN APPROVE A ZONING CHANGE, WHETHER Y'ALL CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR ZONING CHANGE IS IF THERE HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT CHANGES OR SIGNIFICANT CHANGES ARE REQUESTED. SO AGAIN, IN THIS AREA, WE'RE ANTICIPATING SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES WITH TEX DOT. AND WE'RE SEEING THE INTEREST IN THE MARKET THAT REFLECTS THAT MINIMIZING ADVERSE IMPACTS IS ALSO IMPORTANT. SO I WANT TO BE AWARE THAT THIS LOT IS ALMOST ENTIRELY SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL. SO SOME OF THAT IS IN THE ETJ. 
          SOME IS THAT THAT IS IN THE CITY. BUT OVERALL, THIS WOULD BE IN KEEPING WITH MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. AT THE SAME TIME, THIS WILL REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE OUTDOOR STORAGE. SO YOU'LL GET TO SEE THIS AGAIN. THERE ARE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO FOR THAT ONE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE WEST, THERE PROTECTIONS WITHIN THE CODE AND THE CIP PROCESS FOR THAT, WE DID SEND OUT OUR STANDARD PUBLIC NOTIFICATIONS. WE DID NOT GET ANY RESPONSES IN OBJECTION OR SUPPORT. THERE WAS NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. THERE WERE NO ATTENDEES FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WITH ALL THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REZONING BECAUSE IT DOES MEET ALL OF OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. HAPPY TO STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS IF NEEDED. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. SEAN. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I GUESS I HAVE ONE, SEAN. I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS JUST FOR THE REZONING TO LEE. AND THEN THERE WOULD NEED TO BE AN SUP IN THE FUTURE TO BRING THE CURRENT OPERATING USE UNDER CONFORMITY. WHY SEPARATED INTO 
          TWO STEPS? >> IT IS TWO STEPS WITHIN THE CODE. WE GIVE APPLICANTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURSUE THOSE SIMULTANEOUSLY OR NOT. THEY CHOSE TO PURSUE THE REZONING 
          FIRST AND NOT SIMULTANEOUSLY. >> OKAY, SO APPLICANT'S CHOICE IN THIS CASE. THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. I. SORRY. I DO NOT HAVE 
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ANY CARDS WISHING TO SPEAK, BUT ANYONE IS CERTAINLY HAPPY TO TO COME UP AND HEAR THEM. IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK. AS STAFF SAID, THE APPLICANT IS HERE. IF ANY OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, CERTAINLY WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THAT. NOT SEEING ANY MOTION, I WILL CLOSE. YOU'RE YOU'RE CERTAINLY JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE VIDEO THAT WE WOULD NEED YOU TO COME UP TO THE FRONT AND THEN WE CAN ANSWER. 
          >> I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS. AGREEMENT. WHAT WHICH FOREIGN UNIVERSITY AND THREE DAYS. 
          >> SURE. YEAH. COULD COULD WE PULL UP THE THE BROADER MAP JUST SO THAT IT'S MAYBE MAYBE ZOOM OUT LIKE ON A GOOGLE MAP SHOWING THE THE EASTERN SECTION OF TOWN IN MORE, MORE OF A BIRD'S EYE VIEW. YEAH, YEAH. SO, SO JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY HEARS THE QUESTION WAS THE, THE AUDIENCE MEMBER WAS NOT SURE WHERE THIS REQUESTED REZONING WAS WITHIN RELATION TO THE CITY ALONG 380. AND SO STAFF IS PULLING THAT UP NOW TO, TO SHOW THAT. 
          >> Y'ALL CAN SEE THAT. SO WE HAVE LOOP 288 SORRY. AND THEN OF COURSE THAT POPS UP, BUT IF YOU CONTINUE PAST LOOP 288, IT'S ALMOST OUTSIDE OF IT'S BASICALLY ALMOST TO THE CITY 
          LIMITS ON THE EASTERN EDGE OF CITY THERE. >> SO OKAY. 
          >> THAT'S HELPFUL. >> SO AN INTERSECTION. >> SO THE QUESTION IS, DOES IT INTERSECT WITH 288 AND 380. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ABOUT TWO TWO AND A HALF MILES EAST OF LOOP 288 AS IT CROSSES 380. IS THAT CORRECT? SO THIS IS NEAR THE. THE THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS GREENWAY SECTION THAT GOES WHERE THE THAT WATERWAY CONNECTS LAKE RAY ROBERTS TO 
          THE NORTH, TO THE NORTHERN INPUT OF LAKE LEWISVILLE. >> NEAREST INTERSECTION WOULD 
          BE WITH NORTH TRINITY ROAD. >> OKAY. NOT SEEING ANY PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK, I WILL CLOSE 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COMMISSIONER DIRE. >> I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE OR DO A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE A ZONING 
          CHANGE TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. >> OKAY, COMMISSIONER. >> I SECOND THAT MOTION. 
          >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I DON'T SEE ANY. I'LL JUST STAY BRIEFLY. FOR THE RECORD, I. THIS IS IN AN AREA OF TOWN THAT I'VE HAD LONG TIME CONCERNS WITH. CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT, AS OPPOSED TO FOLLOWING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ENCOURAGING MORE INFILL. SO GIVEN THE STRANGE HISTORY HERE, I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT THIS, BUT I RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S A STRANGE SITUATION. SO NOT SEEING ANY MORE COMMENTS, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE BOARD. 
          [B. S25-0018 Hold a public hearing and consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding a request for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) to allow for a Major Automotive Repair Shop use on approximately 2.02 acres of land, generally located on the south corner of the intersection of Fort Worth Drive (US 377) and Central Village Drive in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas. (S25-0018, Le Collision Center, Matt Bodine)]
THAT ITEM PASSES SIX ONE BRINGS US TO OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING, 5BS25-18. 
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          >> LET'S SEE. >> SORRY. TRYING TO FIND IT. OKAY. 
          >> SORRY ABOUT THAT. IT WAS HIDDEN IN THE OTHER SET OF STUFF. 
          >> THANKS. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSION MATT BURDINE, ASSISTANT PLANNER HERE TO PRESENT THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT CASE S25-18 LEE COLLISION CENTER. SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A MAJOR AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SHOP AT THE SOUTH CORNER OF FORT WORTH DRIVE OR US 377 AND CENTRAL VILLAGE DRIVE. IT'S ABOUT A TWO ACRE LOT, BUT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REUSE TWO OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ON SITE FOR THAT MAJOR AUTO REPAIR SHOP USE. SO THIS REQUEST WAS REVIEWED AGAINST THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. AND TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF THOSE CRITERIA, THIS REQUEST WAS FOUND TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE DESIGNATION FOR THIS AREA IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE, AND IT'S RIGHT IN THAT KIND OF TRANSITION AREA TO LOW RESIDENTIAL. PART OF THAT DEFINITION IS THAT WE LIKE TO SEE A MIX OF USES, PARTICULARLY COMMERCIAL USES, AND ENCOURAGE AND REFILL INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. AS PART OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH THE CITY, WHICH IS REVIEWED AGAINST OUR STANDARDS, AND SO THAT IS WITH THE APPLICANT HERE TO SHOW COMPLIANCE WITH THE DENTON CODE TO SPEAK TO A FEW THINGS ARE TO HELP MITIGATE ANY POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS, ANY SORT OF TEMPORARY VEHICLE STORAGE IS IS SCREENED IN TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE LOT. IN ADDITION, THEY'RE PROPOSING A LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THAT REAR PROPERTY LINE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE TREES. 
          SHRUBS, INCORPORATE THE EXISTING FENCE AND BE AT LEAST 20FT IN WIDTH. ADDITIONALLY, AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR ALL ALL AUTO REPAIR SHOPS, ANY SORT OF VEHICLE WORK DOES HAVE TO HAPPEN INSIDE THE VEHICLE, INSIDE THE BUILDING ITSELF. SO THIS REQUEST WAS NOTIFIED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. ACCORDING TO STATE AND LOCAL LAW, WE DID RECEIVE ONE NOTICE IN WRITTEN OPPOSITION. THE LITTLE RED SQUARE MARKED THERE AND THEN A FEW PHONE CALLS WITH NEIGHBORS AS WELL. ULTIMATELY, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ESSENTIALLY, IT FOLLOWS THE SITE AND LANDSCAPE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, PARTICULARLY THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER. HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE, WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AND CAN ALSO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          >> THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. 
          DOES ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER RIGGS? 
          >> YEAH. MATT, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU ALSO GOT SOME PHONE CALLS. 
          >> YES. >> HOW MANY PHONE CALLS DID YOU GET AND WERE THEY IN OPPOSITION 
          OR IN FAVOR? >> GOT ONE PHONE CALL. WELL, ONE FROM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS. THEY'RE MOSTLY JUST KIND OF ASKING WHAT THE SUP ENTAILED. DIDN'T INDICATE 
          OPPOSITION OR FAVOR. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. 
          >> AND COMMISSIONER MCDUFF. >> YES, MA'AM. ONE THING, IF YOU'LL ADDRESS, PLEASE, IS THE EXHAUST FROM THE PAINT. I KNOW WE'VE GOT AN ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WILL YOU TALK 
          ABOUT HOW THAT WILL BE MITIGATED, PLEASE? >> YEAH, I CAN SPEAK TO SOME. 
          AND THEN THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK MORE. THANKS. SO THEY DO HAVE TO BEING COMPLIANT WITH THE CITY'S ORDINANCE REGARDING ODORS. ADDITIONALLY, THE ANY SORT OF LIKE PAINTING DONE 
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WOULD HAVE TO BE INSIDE THE BUILDING ITSELF. SO THAT WOULD HELP CONTAIN IT. ADDITIONALLY, AS THAT BUFFER HELPS AS WELL. AND THEN IN THE NARRATIVE, THE APPLICANT INDICATED THEY 
          POINTING WANTING TO POINT THE VENT AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> THANKS. 
          >> THANK YOU MATT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE ONE CARD WISHING TO SPEAK FROM MISTER AVERY DENNIS. YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP AND SPEAK AT THIS TIME. IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND 
          ADDRESS, THEN YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> YES. MY NAME IS AVERY DAVIS. 
          I LIVE AT 1209 CENTRAL VILLAGE DRIVE. LOOKS LIKE APPARENTLY WITHIN THE ABOUT 200FT BUFFER ZONE. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AGAIN. MY NAME IS AVERY AND I. MY FAMILY LIVE FOR 13 YEARS NOW WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER ZONE FROM THE SITE PROPOSED FOR THE NEW LAKE AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR FACILITY, AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I'M HERE TO RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE THE PROJECT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WOULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY, PROPERTY VALUES AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE FAMILIES WHO ALREADY LIVE THERE, INCLUDING MINE. THIS IS NOT SIMPLY A SMALL BUSINESS PROPOSAL. A MAJOR AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR OPERATION BRINGS WITH IT CONSTANT COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, INDUSTRIAL STYLE NOISE, HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS, INCREASED TRAFFIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS ALL DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO HOMES WHERE FAMILIES AND CHILDREN LIVE. FIRST, I WANT TO ADDRESS NOISE POLLUTION. AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SHOPS ARE INHERENTLY NOISY BUSINESSES. 
          RESIDENTS NEARBY WOULD BE EXPOSED TO DAILY ENGINE REVVING PNEUMATIC TOOLS, AIR COMPRESSORS, TOW TRUCKS, DELIVERIES, VEHICLE ALARMS AND CONSTANT CUSTOMER TRAFFIC EVEN DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS. THAT LEVEL OF NOISE FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF A QUIET RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. FAMILIES SHOULD BE ABLE TO ENJOY THEIR HOMES, BACKYARDS AND EVENINGS WITHOUT THE CONSTANT SOUND OF COMMERCIAL AUTOMOTIVE OPERATIONS NEARBY. SECOND, THERE ARE SERIOUS ENVIRONMENTAL AND HEALTH CONCERNS. AUTO REPAIR FACILITIES ROUTINELY HANDLE MOTOR OIL TRANSMISSION FLUID, ANTIFREEZE, SOLVENTS, FUELS, BATTERY CHEMICALS, AND OTHER HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. EVEN WELL OPERATED FACILITIES CAN EXPERIENCE LEAKS, SPILLS, RUNOFF OR AIRBORNE EMISSIONS. 
          RESIDENTS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CHEMICAL EXPOSURE AND DRAINAGE, CONTAMINATION FUMES OR LONG TERM ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS SO CLOSE TO WHERE OUR CHILDREN PLAY AND WHERE OUR FAMILIES LIVE EVERY DAY. AIR QUALITY IS ANOTHER MAJOR CONCERN WITH VEHICLE EXHAUST IDLING ENGINES, TIRE DUST, PARTICULATES AND CHEMICAL VAPORS ALL NEGATIVELY AFFECTING NEARBY RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN WHOSE LUNGS ARE STILL DEVELOPING. THIRD, THE PROJECT RAISES SIGNIFICANT SAFETY CONCERNS. A BUSINESS OF THIS SIZE WILL SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE TRAFFIC IN AN AREA DESIGNED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. TOW TRUCKS, CUSTOMER VEHICLES, DELIVERY TRUCKS AND EMPLOYEE TRAFFIC WILL CREATE ADDITIONAL CONGESTION AND INCREASE RISK FOR PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLISTS AND CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MANY FAMILIES IN THIS COMMUNITY CHOSE THIS AREA BECAUSE IT IS A RESIDENTIAL, QUIET AND FAMILY ORIENTED, INTRODUCING HEAVY COMMERCIAL AUTOMOTIVE ACTIVITY WITHIN A FEW HUNDRED FEET OF OUR HOMES UNDERMINES THAT ENVIRONMENT. AND THERE ARE ALSO, OF COURSE, ECONOMIC CONCERNS FOR MOST FAMILIES. THEIR HOME IS THEIR LARGEST INVESTMENT. THE PROXIMITY OF A MAJOR REPAIR FACILITY CAN NEGATIVELY AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES DUE TO CONCERNS OVER NOISE, TRAFFIC, ODORS, ESTHETICS AND ENVIRONMENTAL RISKS. PROSPECTIVE BUYERS CAN OFTEN EXCUSE ME. PROSPECTIVE BUYERS ARE OFTEN HESITANT TO PURCHASE HOMES ADJACENT TO HIGH IMPACT COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS. HOMEOWNERS SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO ABSORB THE FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES OF A DEVELOPMENT THAT DIMINISHES THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THAT AREA. ADDITIONALLY, APPROVING THE PROJECT COULD SET A TROUBLING PRECEDENT FOR FURTHER COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT INTO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE MINE. ONCE A HIGH IMPACT COMMERCIAL UNIT IS ALLOWED NEAR HOMES, IT TYPICALLY BECOMES INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT TO PREVENT SIMILAR DEVELOPMENTS IN THE FUTURE. I WANT TO BE CLEAR THIS IS NOT IN OPPOSITION TO LOCAL BUSINESS OR ECONOMIC GROWTH. AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR BUSINESSES ABSOLUTELY HAVE A PLACE IN THE COMMUNITY. HOWEVER, THAT PLACE SHOULD BE AN ESTABLISHED COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR, NOT WITHIN A FEW HUNDRED FEET OF MY FAMILY HOME. THERE ARE MORE APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS FOR THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT WOULD NOT IMPOSE THESE IMPACTS ON NEARBY RESIDENTS, AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO DENY THIS PROPOSAL, OR, AT MINIMUM, REQUIRE RELOCATION TO A MORE APPROPRIATE COMMERCIAL AREA FARTHER FROM THE HOMES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, CONSIDERATION AND SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          >> THANK YOU. I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO YOU'RE 
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          CERTAINLY ABLE TO COME UP. >> HE ALSO WANTS TO SPEAK. >> OKAY. WE WILL HEAR THIS GENTLEMAN NOW, BUT IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. SO ANYBODY IS WILLING OR ABLE TO COME REGARDLESS OF A CARD. YOU CAN COME UP AFTER THIS IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME, NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          >> SURE. MY NAME IS D.W. LEWIS, 5946 GOLIAD AVENUE IN DALLAS, TEXAS, AND I'M THE ENGINEER OF RECORD FOR THIS PROJECT. AND I ALSO SERVED AS THE ENGINEER OF RECORD FOR LEE'S FIRST COLLISION CENTER, WHICH IS BUILT IN DUNCANVILLE, TEXAS. AND THIS ONE'S VERY SIMILAR. SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE OPERATION AND CAN REFUTE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE GENTLEMAN PREVIOUS HAS SAID. AFTER DRIVING UP 35 FROM DALLAS UP HERE ON THAT HIGHWAY, WE NEED MORE COLLISION CENTERS THAN IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA. MY GOODNESS, THAT'S A TERRIBLE DRIVE. THIS THIS FACILITY WAS FORMERLY USED AS A HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING, AND IT'S AT THE CORNER OF HIGHWAY 377 AND CENTRAL CENTRAL VILLAGE DRIVE. WE PROPOSE TURNING THE FACILITY INTO A COLLISION CENTER. THE FRONT BUILDING IS A TOP FOUR. DASH B IS THE CLASSIFICATION OF IT. IT COULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE PURPOSES, AND IT BLOCKS PRETTY MUCH BLOCKS THE OPERATION OF THE BUILDING BEHIND IT, WHICH IS A METAL BUILDING. AND IT'S A TYPE TWO METAL BUILDING. AND IT'S USED FOR TO BE USED FOR THE AUTO REPAIR. AND LIKE, LIKE MATT SAID, ALL OF THE, EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING DONE WILL BE DONE INSIDE OF THIS METAL BUILDING. 
          THERE'S NO OUTSIDE WORK. I'VE BEEN TO THE COLLISION CENTER AT AT THE DUNCANVILLE FACILITY, AND THERE'S NOT VERY MUCH NOISE, ACTUALLY. IT'S IT'S MAINLY STRAIGHTENING FRAMES AND PAINTING AND SANDING, SO FORTH LIKE THAT. THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SOME COMPRESSORS BECAUSE YOU DO NEED THE COMPRESSORS FOR THE PAINT SPRAY BOOTH. I'VE, I'VE. EVERYTHING THAT I'VE LOOKED AT SEEMS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, IS FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT OF VIEW, I DID GO NEXT DOOR AND TALK TO THE OWNER OF THE J AND K BEVERAGE, WHICH IS JUST TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THIS FACILITY. AND HE WAS OKAY WITH THE WITH THE FACILITY, AND HE IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT. HE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH IT AT ALL. I ALSO WENT OVER TO THE FEED STORE, WHICH SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW IS D AND L FARM AND HOME. JUST ACROSS CENTRAL VILLAGE DRIVE. RICK SANDERS IS THE OWNER AND EXPLAINED TO HIM WHAT WAS GOING TO BE DONE OVER THERE, AND HE ALSO HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH WITH THE FACILITY FOR I THINK MARIANNE'S. MISS MACDUFF, YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THE SPRAY OF THE. YEAH. THIS THIS PAINT BOOTH WILL BE COMPLY WITH THIS THIS CODE RIGHT HERE, NFPA 33, WHICH GIVES STRICT INSTRUCTIONS OF WHAT YOU DO WITH THE VENT. WE HAVE TO GO SIX FEET ABOVE THE HIGHEST POINT THAT THE ROOF IS ACTUALLY 20FT HIGH. SO WE HAVE TO GO SIX FEET ABOVE THAT. 
          AND THEN WE TURN THIS TOWARD OPEN AREAS. NOT SO IT WOULD BE TURNED AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. ANY ANY PAINT SPRAY BOOTH WOULD BE TURNED FROM THAT. SO IT SHOULD SHOULD HAVE NO NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. THANK YOU. AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY 
          QUESTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER MCDADE. >> DID YOU TALK TO ANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? YOU SAID YOU WENT TO VISIT THE NEIGHBORS. DID YOU TALK. 
          >> IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS SUCH? JUST THE TWO FACILITIES ON ON EITHER SIDE OF THE PROPOSED 
          AREA. >> THANK YOU. >> I GUESS I HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          ARE YOU AWARE OF BEYOND THE NFPA STANDARDS FOR FIRE SAFETY? WHAT WHAT TEXAS INSTITUTION REGULATES THE. THE THE CHEMICAL EMISSIONS FROM THE OUTPUT DUCTING. 
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          >> FROM THE ROOF? >> YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. >> GOOD QUESTION. I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE IS ANY NFPA REGULATIONS ON THAT. WOULD BE GLAD TO LOOK INTO THAT FOR YOU. 
          >> BUT BUT NOT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. >> THANK YOU. IT'S JUST PLAIN IT IS A IT IS A VAPOR. I'M NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO SURPASS THAT, BUT IT IS EXTENDED SIX FEET ABOVE THE 20 FOOT ROOF INTO THE AIRSTREAM AND POINTED AWAY FROM ANY 
          RESIDENTIAL AREA. OKAY. YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU. I DON'T SEE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU SIR. YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK. OKAY. IF YOU CAN COME UP TO THE MIC. SORRY. IT'S IT'S IT'S HELPFUL FOR FOR COUNCIL AND OTHERS. COULD COULD SOMEONE ASSIST? SORRY. JUST TO BE ABLE TO REFER BACK TO THE MEETING AND HEAR EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING SAID. IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME. THANK YOU. 
          >> I'M A RESIDENT OF CENTRAL VILLAGE ESTATES AND I AM AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, UNFORTUNATELY, AND I DID HAVE ONE COMMENT FOR HIM ABOUT THIS PROJECT ABOVE THE BUILDING. IS IT GOING? IT'S GOING TO BE TALLER THAN ANY OF THE HOMES AND BE KIND OF AN EYESORE TO US. 
          AND IF IT SHOOTS OUT TO THE NORTH, AWAY FROM THE HOMES ARE PREVAILING. WINDS ARE GENERALLY FROM THE NORTH AND WEST. SO IT'S GOING TO COME BACK RIGHT OVER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. CAN I READ MY PREPARED STATEMENT NOW OR. 
          >> ABSOLUTELY. >> OKAY. AND THIS TAKES A LITTLE HISTORY INTO. I LOOKED UP THE LEE COLLISION CENTER IN DUNCANVILLE WHEN I WAS MADE AWARE OF THAT, AND I GOOGLED IT TO LOOK AT THE SATELLITE. AND IT IS ALL IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. SO THEY DO NOT ABUT ANY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN DUNCANVILLE, BUT HERE YOU ARE, JUST SO CLOSE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVEN THE 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP IS REALLY NOT GOING TO MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN DUST, FUMES OR NOISE OVERALL TO ME. SO THERE ARE FIVE HOMES PRETTY ADJACENT TO THAT BACK FENCE, AND UNFORTUNATELY MINE IS ONE OF THEM. THE RESIDENTS BELONG TO THE CENTRAL VILLAGE ESTATES HOA ABUTTING THE PROPERTY, AND THEY'VE ALL EXPRESSED OPPOSITION TO HAVING A COLLISION RESTORATION VISIT SO NEAR OUR HOMES. I SPOKE TO THEM PERSONALLY, ENCOURAGED THEM TO COME. BUT ALL I CAN SAY IS, IS IT WAS OVERALL NEGATIVE. THERE WAS NO POSITIVE ON THAT FROM THE NEIGHBORS. THE COMPANY MANAGING THAT HAS BEEN MANAGING THIS PROPERTY HAS PROVEN NOT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO US, IN THAT THEY WOULD NOT SHARE COSTS IN REPAIRING A 15 YEAR OLD JOINT FENCE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE LAST YEAR, AND THE HOA HAD TO PAY THE ENTIRE COST OF QUITE AN EXTENSIVE FENCE DOWN TILL IT GOT TO THE FIRST RESIDENTS. MY HUSBAND AND I ALSO HAD TO PUT IN AN EIGHT FOOT TALL, 65 FOOT FENCE JUST ABUTTING THEIRS BECAUSE OF THE DILAPIDATED CONDITION. SO WE FEEL LIKE THE MANAGING COMPANY HAS BEEN NEGLECTFUL TO US AND WOULD NOT ALLOW ANYONE ON THEIR PROPERTY TO WORK AT THE FENCE FROM THEIR SIDE. AND AS SOME OF THESE HAVE ALREADY BEEN STATED, STATED, WE HAVE HEAVY TRAFFIC NOISE FROM FORT WORTH DRIVE AND WE HAVE TWO CROSSING RAILROAD WITHIN A FORT. WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF US, WE HAVE COMMERCIAL PICKUP TRUCKS WITH TRAILERS AND EQUIPMENT, USING OUR STREETS AS A SHORTCUT BETWEEN FORT WORTH DRIVE AND COUNTRY CLUB. EVERY DAY. MANY OF THEM ARE. WE DO NOT HAVE A PARK, SO OUR CHILDREN PLAY IN THE STREETS. SOME OF OUR. OUR RESIDENTIAL HOMES ARE ON AS SMALL AS 500 ZERO SQUARE FOOT LOTS WITH A 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOME, SO THERE'S NO YARD. SO OUR KIDS ARE PLAYING IN THE STREETS HERE WE HAVE A METALLIC BANGING THAT GOES ON AT 5 A.M. FROM ACROSS FORT WORTH DRIVE. I DO NOT KNOW WHICH BUSINESS IT'S DOING THAT, BUT I AM UP AT THAT TIME AND I HEAR IT EVERY MORNING LIKE A TRASH CAN OR SOMETHING BEING TOSSED AROUND. WE HAVE ROOSTERS CROWING FROM THE D AND L FARM STORE. WE HAVE A SLUGGISH 
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MARKET FOR OUR. AND OUR HOME VALUES HAVE DROPPED SINCE I MOVED HERE FOUR YEARS AGO. AND WE HAVE TWO HOMES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO BE SOLD THAT ARE VACANT NOW IN OUR SUBDIVISION. 
          AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE HIGH PROPERTY TAXES. I CAME FROM ARIZONA AND WE'RE STILL IN STICKER SHOCK ABOUT THAT. HALF THE HOMES ABUTTING THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION ARE RENTERS, SO THEIR LANDLORDS MAY NOT BE OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DAY TO DAY ANNOYANCES. BUT TALKING TO THE THREE RENTERS, THERE IS A LOT OF APPREHENSION AND EVEN SOME ANGER. AT LEAST ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WORKS NIGHTS, SO HE HAS TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP DAYS. SO IT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT 
          TO HIM TO HAVE QUIET. WHAT IS THAT? >> SORRY. THAT'S THE THE FOUR MINUTE TIME HAS ELAPSED. IF YOU COULD WRAP UP YOUR THOUGHTS, PLEASE. 
          >> LAST, I'D LIKE TO SAY IT'S. I'M ANGRY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE DECISIONS ALREADY BEEN MADE WHEN THE. THEY HAD A BOBCAT IN WORKING THREE WEEKS AGO FOR TWO WHOLE DAYS, SMOOTHING IT OUT. 
          AND THEN THIS WEEK THERE'S BEEN A VERY LARGE PILE OF SCRAP WOOD ON THE DRIVEWAY. IT DISAPPEARED TONIGHT, BUT IT WOULD HAVE FILLED A TWO CAR GARAGE. SO IT LOOKS LIKE WORK'S ALREADY BEING DONE IN ANTICIPATION THAT THEY'RE GETTING APPROVAL OF THIS. AND WE JUST FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN CUT OUT. AND THAT BACK PART OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO STORE THE OLD 
          CARS, THAT'S MY HOUSE. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE THE ABUTTING PROPERTIES. YOU SAID THAT THERE ARE SIX RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF. FIVE AND AND. I THINK SORRY, LET ME JUST UNDERSTAND HERE. I THINK WHAT WE SAW FROM STAFF WAS THAT ONE OF THOSE PERHAPS HAD REGISTERED OPPOSITION, BUT THE OTHERS HAD NOT. BUT YOU SAID YOU HAD SPOKEN TO THE THE RESIDENTS. 
          >> YES. I CALLED THE GENTLEMAN IN PLANNING AND ASKED IF I COULD TAKE A COPY OF THE LETTER 
          TO THE RENTERS HOMES, WHICH I DID FOR THE THREE RENTERS. >> OKAY. 
          >> THANK YOU. AND SOME WERE VERY ANGRY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          >> BUT NOT ANGRY ENOUGH TO COME SEE YOU. >> IT'S A, IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR 
          EVERYONE TO, TO, TO MAKE TIME GIVEN LIFE'S. WELL. >> I'M IMPRESSED. 
          >> WITH CONCERNS. >> AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE. THANK YOU. 
          >> WAS THERE ANY CLARIFICATION OR. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO COME DOWN. 
          JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          >> I'M JENNIFER RUFFNER, ALSO LIVE AT 1209 CENTRAL VILLAGE DRIVE. SORRY, GETTING A LITTLE UPSET BECAUSE. THE OFFICER THAT WAS THERE LONG BEFORE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THERE. SO WE BECAME A PART OF IT. RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE BUILDING ACROSS THE WAY BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING BUSINESS THERE ALREADY HAVE TRUCKS AND STUFF COMING IN BECAUSE IT'S ALL IN THIS FRONT ENTRANCE. I'M THE VERY FIRST HOUSE THAT YOU DRIVE PAST WHEN YOU DRIVE ON CENTRAL VILLAGE DRIVE. THAT DRIVEWAY IS NOT BUT 50FT, 60FT FROM MY MY DRIVEWAY. 
          I HAVE MY FIVE YEAR OLD HERE. I DO NOT WANT ALL THE FUMES AND THE NOISE. AND THAT'S NOT MEANT TO MENTION THE STRANGERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE IN AND OUT OF MY NEAR MY PROPERTY ON A REGULAR BASIS. ALL OF THESE HOMES HAVE LITERALLY THEIR BACK FENCE. THEIR BACKYARD WILL BE THIS AUTO LIKE. BEHIND THAT FENCE WILL BE THIS AUTOMOTIVE SHOP, THE BUILDING IN WHICH STANDS NOW THE AC REPAIR PLACE. IT'S IT'S BASICALLY A SHELL PLACE. THEY RUN SOME ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF OUT OF THERE, BUT I ACTUALLY USE THAT COMPANY AND I'VE WALKED IN THERE AND THERE'S NO ONE IN THERE. THEY USE IT FOR STORAGE. SO IT'S NEVER BEEN ANYTHING THAT HAS IMPEDED ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S JUST BASICALLY THERE FOR THEM TO RUN THEIR MOBILE AC REPAIR BUSINESS. THIS IS PUTTING PHYSICAL BODIES IN A PLACE DIRECTLY NEXT TO US THAT IS CREATING NOISE. AND MY HUSBAND WORKS FROM HOME AND ALL, ALL OF THIS EXTRA STUFF THAT IS JUST UNNECESSARY WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE 4 OR 5 AUTOMOTIVE SHOPS ON THAT ROAD. FURTHER DOWN IN THE PREVIOUS INDUSTRIAL PARTS OF THE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO SOME OTHER MORE USEFUL, QUIETER BUSINESSES GOING INTO THAT PLACE. I COULD IMAGINE THAT THE GUY AT THE BEVERAGE STORE NEXT DOOR, WE KNOW HIM. WE CALL HIM HEY BUDDY, BECAUSE WE WALK OVER THERE AND GET OUR BEVERAGES AND WE GET OUR ICE CREAMS DURING THE SUMMER. AND I'M SURE HE WOULD LOVE THE EXTRA BUSINESS, BUT HE'S NOT HURTING FOR IT. AND HE'S, AGAIN, HE'S AT LEAST SOMEWHAT FAR REMOVED. MY BIGGEST ARGUMENT IS JUST IT'S, IT FEELS LIKE THAT IT'S JUST SUCH AN UNNECESSARY PLACEMENT FOR A PLACE LIKE THIS FOR 
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EVERYONE TO HAVE THEIR BACKYARDS AND MY LITERALLY STARING OUT MY FRONT DRIVEWAY AND JUST HAVING THIS COLLISION CENTER, THE BIG METAL BUILDING, THE BACK DOOR OPENS TO THE BACK OF THE FENCES. IT'S NOT OPEN TO THE STREET THAT THE, THE, THE DOORS TO THAT OPEN TO THE BACK OF OUR FENCES THAT ARE LINING UP THERE. SO ALL OF THAT NOISE, I FIND IT REALLY HARD TO BELIEVE THAT A COLLISION SHOP IS GOING TO HAVE THEIR DOORS SHUT THE ENTIRE TIME, WORKING WITH ALL THOSE FUMES. MY DAD OWNED AN AUTOMOTIVE BUSINESS FOR MOST OF MY LIFE, AND THOSE DOORS WERE ALWAYS OPEN. AND THOSE PLACES ARE VERY, VERY, VERY LOUD. AND THOSE DOORS FACE THE BACKS OF ALL OF THESE PEOPLE'S HOMES. IT'S NOT FACING THE STREET. SO I JUST IMPLORE YOU, ASK YOU, PLEASE GIVE THEM A CONSIDERATION FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT PLEASE, JUST NOT 
          RIGHT BEHIND US. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IF ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU'RE WELCOME TO. NOT SEEING ANY OTHER MOVEMENT. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS OR 
          MOTION. COMMISSIONER RIGGS. >> YEAH. THIS IS MORE FOR STAFF. MATT, THIS IS AN SUP SO THEY ALREADY HAVE THE ZONING. CAN YOU GO OVER SOME OF THE ALLOWED USES OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE 
          CURRENT ZONING? >> YES. GIVE ME ONE MINUTE. YEAH. SO THE CURRENT ZONING IS GENERAL OFFICE WHICH DOES ALLOW FOR MOST OF OUR COMMERCIAL USES. AND I SOME OF THE VERY, VERY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES, TO NAME A FEW. I'M PULLING IT UP. 
          OKAY. SO SOME USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED. SO GENERALLY, SO A GENERAL RETAIL WOULD BE ALLOWED. LET'S. OBVIOUSLY OFFICE WOULD BE ALLOWED. IF THEY WERE TO DO. 
          WHAT'S CALLED A MINOR AUTO REPAIR SHOP. SO JUST MINOR AUTO WORK THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY. 
          RIGHT. AS. AS. AND THEN JUST TO NAME ONE MORE. LIKE A WAREHOUSE ADDITIONALLY WOULD BE ALLOWED 
          BY. RIGHT. >> OKAY. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LIGHT AUTOMOTIVE SHOP AND HEAVY AUTOMOTIVE SHOP? WOULD THAT BE WOULD THAT BE A PAINT BOOTH? 
          >> SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DIFFERENCE. IT KIND OF COMES DOWN TO THE, THE TYPE OF WORK THAT IS HAPPENING ON THE VEHICLE. SO IN THAT BOTTOM BULLET POINT ON YOUR SCREEN, THE MAJOR ALLOWS FOR ENGINE AND DRIVE, TRAIN REPAIR, BODYWORK, MECHANICAL SERVICING AND OR PAINTING. WHILE THE MINOR IS MUCH MORE SMALLER STUFF, OIL CHANGES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, ARE YOU AWARE OF WHETHER TIRE CHANGING OPERATIONS, ALIGNMENT, THAT SORT OF THING IS MAJOR OR MINOR? 
          >> IT'S MINOR. >> OKAY. IS THAT CONCLUDE YOUR LINE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER 
          GARLAND. >> YES, I THINK OUR AUDIENCE MEMBER KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT, BUT CAN YOU KIND OF EXPAND ON IS THE BUILDING CURRENTLY INHABITED? IS IT OPERATIONAL? 
          AND IF SO, WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE? >> SO. I'M TRYING TO SEE IF I CAN FIND A BETTER PICTURE. KIND OF WORKS. SO YEAH, SO THE CURRENT TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE PART OF THIS CP ARE ALREADY THERE, AS WELL AS THE COVERED PATIO. THAT'S WHAT EXISTS NOW. 
          IT HAS BEEN USED, USED AS A KIND OF OFFICE FOR HVAC STORE IN THE PAST. 
          >> BUT IS IT IS IT EMPTY CURRENTLY? >> CANNOT SAY FOR CERTAIN. OKAY, 
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          NOT ENTIRELY SURE, BUT OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER MCDADE. 
          >> MATT, CAN YOU PUT THE MAP BACK UP THAT AND THEN SHOW US WHERE THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE 
          HERE TONIGHT SPEAKING? WHERE ARE THEIR HOMES? ON THE MAP. >> I'M PROBABLY GONNA NEED A LITTLE BIT OF HELP. I. YES, I REMEMBER WHAT YOURS IS. YES. IF YOU WANT TO PULL IT OUT. 
          >> I GUESS I CAN'T REALLY POINT OUT THE SCREEN, BUT WE ARE. >> OOPS, SORRY. I WAS TRYING TO. 
          THERE WE GO. >> WE'RE WITHIN BETWEEN THE BLACK AND RED. OURS IS RIGHT 
          HERE. AND THEN BARBARA'S IS RIGHT HERE AGAINST THE BLACK. >> SO THAT'S. 
          >> DOWN ONE SOUTH IS IS ONE OF. >> MACK. I THINK. >> THE BIGGER LINE THAT. 
          >> THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. >> THIS ONE. >> OKAY. 
          >> I KEEP MESSING UP. >> SO THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S BARBARA'S ARE YOU SOUTH? 
          THE BIGGER ONE. >> YOU'RE THE BETTER ONE. >> AND THEN OURS IS THIS KIND 
          OF CYLINDER. YEP. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. >> AND THEN MATT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT HOURS OF OPERATION THEY 
          WOULD HAVE? >> I THINK I'D HAVE TO. OPERATION. 
          >> JUST NOT NORMAL OPERATION. >> YEAH. THE THE ZONING DOESN'T HAVE HOURS OF OPERATION LIMIT 
          ON IT FOR THIS USE. IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT. OKAY. 
          >> JUST JUST RECALL THAT WE'RE APPROVING THE ZONING, NOT A PARTICULAR BUSINESS. RIGHT. 
          YEAH. IT'S JUST THIS IS THE ZONING CHANGE TO. I'M SORRY. MY. YES. THIS IS THE CP REQUEST. 
          YOU ARE CORRECT. >> YES. TO YOUR POINT. IT'S NOT THE SPECIFIC BUSINESS. IT'S 
          THIS USE IN GENERAL. >> COMMISSIONER CATCHES IT. >> SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK YOU SHOULD GO INTO IN CP WOULD BE HOURS, NOISE ORDINANCE, THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS. BUT DID WE GET ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES TO LOOK INTO THE DIFFERENT VAPORS AND THINGS? I DO SEE THAT A HOUSE IS ABOUT 40FT AWAY FROM THEIR BACK DOOR. 
          >> I'LL TAKE THAT ONE. SO WITH THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, THEY THEY WOULD NOT NORMALLY BE LOOKING AT EMISSIONS FROM THE PAINT BOOTH AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE. THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL WOULD BE SHOWN AT THE BUILDING PERMIT SHOULD THIS GET APPROVED, BUT I DID CONFIRM. I SUSPECTED BUT WANTED TO MAKE SURE I KNEW THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. THE ACTUAL EMISSIONS FROM THAT ARE REGULATED BY THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. SO THAT 
          WOULD BE OUTSIDE THE CITY'S PURVIEW. >> OKAY. ALSO, I SAW THAT WE HAD A TRAFFIC IMPACT WAIVER. IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT? DO WE KNOW HOW MANY? 
          >> YES. YEAH, I CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT. SO THEY DID SUBMIT. SO IT'S A TRIP GENERATION ASSESSMENT. SO WE REQUIRE THAT OF ALL DEVELOPMENTS. AND SO IT'S AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY VEHICLES WILL COME AND GO TO THE SITE DURING A WEEKDAY AND AT PEAK HOURS DURING THE DAY. 
          BASED ON THAT ASSESSMENT, IT DIDN'T MEET THE THRESHOLD TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS. 
          AND SO OUR TRANSPORTATION REVIEW FELT THAT WAS SUFFICIENT, ALONG WITH THE LOCATION OF THE 
          CURRENT ACCESS POINTS. >> AND THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE TRIPS THAT THEY GENERATE TO 
          TEST THE CARS, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THEY FIX. >> CORRECT. YEAH. SO THEY'RE THEY LOOK AT SPECIFIC USES. AND SO IN THIS CASE, THEY LOOKED AT TRIPS GENERATED BY AN 
          AUTOMOTIVE CARE CENTER. SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE THIS KIND OF USE. >> OKAY. DO WE KNOW HOW MANY BAYS THEY INTEND TO PUT INTO THIS BUILDING? LIKE HOW MANY CARS THEY'LL BE WORKING ON AT 
          ONE TIME? >> I HAVE TO TURN TO THE APPLICANT. 
          >> PROBABLY THE MOST. POINT FOR THE PAINT AND ONE FOR FRAMES AND. 
          >> SO FORTH. >> SO, SO JUST TWO AT A TIME. >> YES. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER MCDUFF. >> YES. MY QUESTION. 
          >> WOULD BE. >> HEARING SOME CONCERNS ABOUT FENCING, MATT. AND COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE FENCE THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING UP AROUND THE PROPERTY AND THE HEIGHT, PLEASE. 
          >> SO THERE ARE EXISTING FENCES. AND SO THE, THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE 
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EXISTING SOLID FENCE. THAT ABOUT EIGHT BY EIGHT FEET TALL. ADDITIONALLY THERE'S A FENCE. 
          KIND OF JUST CONNECTED TO THE BACK BUILDING SIMILAR IN HEIGHT. THAT THEN THEIR MAINTENANCE IS REQUIRED WOULD BE REQUIRED AS PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE S P. 
          >> AND I BELIEVE I READ THERE WAS GOING TO BE A FENCE AROUND THE PARKING LOT IN THE BACK WHERE THE VEHICLES WILL BE STORED WHILE THEY'RE WAITING TO BE WORKED ON. 
          >> YES. AROUND THE YEAH. THERE IS A DISTINCT FENCE CURRENTLY AROUND THAT AREA. 
          >> OKAY, SO IT'S NOT A FENCE. IT'S THE ONE THAT EXISTING. OKAY, THANKS. 
          >> AND COMMISSIONER DYER. >> I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS IS GENERAL OFFICE UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL. IS THAT A TYPICAL ZONE PARTNERSHIP? YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ZONING. 
          >> SURE. IT'S NOT UNCOMMON. GENERAL OFFICE AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ARE BOTH VERY SIMILAR DISTRICTS IN TERMS OF THE USES PERMITTED. BUT BECAUSE GENERAL OFFICE HAS MORE OF THE MATERIAL STANDARDS AND SITE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO APPLY TO IT, IT IS OFTEN USED AS MORE OF THAT RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY THAN, SAY, THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. 
          >> BUT NORMALLY, IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL APPLICATION HERE, LIKE IF IN A NORMAL SITUATION WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE A HEAVY AUTOMOTIVE MAJOR AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SHOP LIKE THIS, IT PROBABLY WOULD NOT TYPICALLY GO UP AGAINST A RESIDENTIAL AREA IS IN THAT KIND OF YOU WOULDN'T SEE THAT THOSE TWO ZONINGS GO TOGETHER, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO. 
          >> I WOULD SAY THE USES PERMITTED IN A VARIETY OF DISTRICTS. SO IT'S VERY LIKELY 
          THAT IT IS ADJACENT IN OTHER PARTS OF TOWN OR COULD BE. >> OKAY, OKAY. 
          >> COMMISSIONER RIGGS. >> YES, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. SO RIGHT NOW 
          WITH THE CURRENT ZONING, YOU COULD DO A LIGHT AUTOMOTIVE >> SHOP. WOULD THAT MEET YOUR 
          NEEDS? WELL. >> SORRY IF YOU COULD COME UP TO THE MIC. THANK YOU. 
          >> IF YOU WOULD GO DOWN TO THE DUNCANVILLE FACILITY, WHICH IS GOING TO BE VERY SIMILAR TO THIS, THEY DO A LOT OF ELECTRONIC WORK REPLACING SEATS, SEAT SWITCHES AND ALL KINDS OF BACKUP CAMERAS. THEY'RE VERY HEAVY IN ELECTRONICS. I KNOW THAT THEY DO. THE THE PAINT BOOTH IS PART OF THEIR BUSINESS, PART OF THE REPAIR. IT'S OVERALL REPAIR. IF A CAR IS INVOLVED IN AN AUTOMOBILE WRECK, THEY. THEIR COMPLETE FACILITY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT PAINT AND PUT THE SWITCHES BACK TOGETHER, PUT THE WINDSHIELDS IN. ET CETERA. ET CETERA. ONE THING I FAILED TO MENTION WHEN I WAS UP HERE BEFORE IS THE PAINT BOOTH. THE. THE FILTERING ON IT TAKES OUT PROBABLY 90% OF THE VAPOR. THERE'S VERY LITTLE VAPOR THAT GOES SIX FEET UP IN THE AIR AND THEN TURNS INTO THE WIND THAT'S 20FT ABOVE THE BUILDING. SO I DON'T THINK THE VAPOR IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM ON THIS FACILITY. I KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN OTHER I'VE SEEN OTHER PAINT BOOTHS IN THE AREAS WHERE THERE'S RESIDENTIAL AREAS, AND THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A PROBLEM WITH IT. BUT AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF THE SEVERE FILTERING THAT'S DONE WITH THE PAINT BOOTH, THE SPRAYING ITSELF. BUT YES, THAT'S THEY THEY DO ALL TYPES OF WORK ON CARS. IT'S KIND OF A COMPLETE OVERALL REPAIR SHOP FOR, FOR CAR THAT'S BEEN 
          INVOLVED IN A COLLISION. >> SO BASICALLY, NO, IT WOULDN'T MEET YOUR NEEDS. I'M SORRY. SO BASICALLY A LIGHT AUTOMOTIVE WOULD NOT MEET THE NEEDS THEN. 
          >> LIGHT AUTOMOTIVE. >> YES. BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED TO GO IN RIGHT NOW WITH THE CURRENT ZONING. AND YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO GET A SUPPLEMENTAL USE 
          PERMIT. >> IT'S A LOT AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? CAN WE DO THAT? MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY THAT QUESTION FOR ME. WHAT'S THE CENTRAL PART OF PAINTING? PAINTING. YES, IT PAINTING WOULD BE A CENTRAL PART OF THE BUSINESS. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, MR. RIGS. I MEAN, YOU PRETTY MUCH HAVE A CAR THAT'S INVOLVED IN A 
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COLLISION, AND THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS WRONG WITH IT. FRAME NEEDS TO BE STRAIGHTENED OUT, HEADLIGHTS NEED TO BE REPLACED, TAIL LIGHTS, ETC. YOU'VE GOT TO PAINT IT. YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE IT OUT, YOU KNOW, GIVE IT TO THE CUSTOMER, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT A PAINT JOB, BASICALLY. BUT BUT BUT THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IT'S NOT REALLY THE COMPLETE PART OF THE BUSINESS. IT'S PART OF THE BUSINESS. I WOULD SAY IF I HAD TO GUESS, I WOULD SAY IT'S 25% 
          OF THEIR BUSINESS, 20 TO 25%. >> COMMISSIONER DYER. >> SO BASICALLY THIS IS A 
          COLLISION CENTER. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? >> YES. 
          >> YES, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. >> YES. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR MOTION FROM THE COMMISSION? I'LL JUST SAY I YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS THE TYPE OF SQUEEZING OF. LAND USES THAT HAPPENS WHEN WE INVITE HIGHWAYS THROUGHOUT OUR TOWN, AND THEN THEY GET WIDENED TO SEVEN LANES. IS THAT VARIOUS INTERESTS VIEW THAT AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THEN. THE, THE INVESTMENT THAT COMES IS, IS NOT ALWAYS AS SMOOTH AS WE WOULD LIKE. I WILL POINT OUT, THOUGH, THAT OUR IN, IN MY OPINION, ANYWAY, THE DIFFERENCE THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN MINOR AND MAJOR AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR DOESN'T NECESSARILY SPEAK TO A CLEAR DIFFERENTIATION IN. CHALLENGES TO NEARBY NEIGHBORS, BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE MINOR REPAIR OF CHANGING TIRES. THAT OPENS AT 6 A.M. AND STARTS WITH AIR RATCHETS THAT YOU HEAR 300FT AWAY. SO IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE WHAT COULD BE DONE BY RIGHT PROBABLY IS ALREADY ANNOYING TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THE QUESTION WE HAVE IS WHETHER NOT JUST THIS ONE BUSINESS OR WHAT HAPPENS HERE, BUT WHETHER THIS ONE USE IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE OF AN IMPOSITION TO, TO, TO EITHER ALLOW OR DENY THIS. COMMISSIONER DYER. 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO DENY A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE SUP I'VE GOT SOME SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT JUST THE PROXIMITY OF THIS BUSINESS TO THE RESIDENTS AND WHAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL FALLOUT COULD BE. NOISE FALLOUT COULD BE ANOTHER CONCERNS THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH ESSENTIALLY A COLLISION CENTER. 
          >> COMMISSIONER GARLAND. >> AND I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT THAT DENIAL. 
          >> COMMISSIONER RIGGS. >> YEAH, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS AND YOU CONSIDER ALL THE USES THAT CURRENTLY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO GO THERE, YOU COULD END UP WITH LIKE A TIRE SHOP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THERE AND A LOT OF THE NOISE. BUT I WILL BE 
          VOTING FOR DENIAL ON THIS TO. >> COMMISSIONER MCDUFF. >> I GUESS WHEN I READ THIS PROPOSAL, IT DIDN'T HAVE THE OTHER DIDN'T ADDRESS THE OTHER COLLISION ITEMS. WE SEEM TO BE FIXATED ON THE PAINT FUMES, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROPER DESCRIPTION OF THE ELECTRONIC REPAIR AND THE SEATS AND ALL THOSE THINGS. I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT. MY CONCERN WITH THIS IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A. I THINK IT NEEDS A FENCE, A HIGHER FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY. 
          WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME KIND OF EXTENSIVE, NOISY FUMY REPAIR WORK. 
          >> AND. COMMISSIONER PATTERSON. >> YEAH. AND TO ADD ON TO THAT, I HAVE EXPERIENCE AROUND THESE KIND OF SHOPS AND PEOPLE MEET DEADLINES. SO THEY DO WORK LATE INTO THE NIGHT JUST TO MEET THOSE DEADLINES. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THINGS LIKE THAT NEED TO BE MITIGATED AS 
          WELL. >> OKAY. NOT SEEING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE BOARD FOR THE MOTION TO DENY. THAT MOTION TO DENY PASSES SEVEN ZERO BRINGS 
          [C. DCA26-0002a Hold a public hearing and consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding a proposed revision to the Denton Development Code; specifically by amending Subchapter 4 - Overlay and Historic Districts, to establish Section 4.11, Southeast Denton Area Plan Overlay Districts, including the Southeast Denton Residential Overlay (SEDRO), the Southeast Denton Height Overlay District (SEDHO), and the Southeast Denton Live/Work Overlay District (SEDLWO), and providing applicability, dimensional standards, design standards, allowed uses, and/or use-specific standards for each district. The Southeast Denton Residential Overlay includes 375.94 acres generally bounded by East McKinney Street to the north; North Bradshaw Street, East Prairie Street, and the MKT Railroad to the west; Smith Street, Kerly Street, and Morse Street to the south; and South Woodrow Lane to the east; the Southeast Denton Height Overlay District includes 39.77 acres generally bounded by East McKinney Street to the north, Exposition Street to the west, East Sycamore Street to the south, and North Bradshaw Street to the east; and the Southeast Denton Live/Work Overlay District encompasses 27.58 acres and generally includes properties along the north and south sides of East Prairie Street between Oakwood Cemetery and the MKT Railroad, properties along the west side of Skinner Street, properties along the north and south side of Robertson Street situated between Wye Street  and the Stream PEC 4 drainage channel, and  properties along the east and west sides of Cook Street north of Wye Street in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas. (DCA26-0002a, Julie Wyatt and Mia Hines)]
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US TO OUR FINAL PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING, WHICH IS ITEM 5CDCA26-2. 
          >> GOOD EVENING. >> ALL RIGHT. I'M JULIE WYATT, PRINCIPAL PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF DENTON, AND I'M GOING TO START OFF THE PRESENTATION FOR THE DCTDCA262A, WHICH IS THE SOUTHEAST DENTON OVERLAY DISTRICT'S. MIA WILL THEN WILL THEN COME IN FOR A PORTION OF IT AS WELL. SO THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS TO AMEND SUBCHAPTER FOUR OF THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE TO INTRODUCE THREE NEW OVERLAY DISTRICTS WITHIN THE SOUTHEAST DENTON CORE AREA. THE MAP ON YOUR SCREEN SHOWS THAT THE SOUTHEAST DENTON AREA OF. OUTLINED IN ORANGE, WE HAVE THE OVERLAY DISTRICT IN BLUE, THE LIVE WORK OVERLAY DISTRICT IN PINK, AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY DISTRICT IN YELLOW. AS WE SPOKE ABOUT SPOKE ABOUT IN THE IN THE WORK SESSION, WE DID HAVE AN ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY MEETING ON MAY 13TH, WHICH WAS. DIRECTION FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. WE HAD ABOUT 73 MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THERE, AND THEIR COMMENTS RANGED FROM GENERAL INTENT. WHAT WHAT IS THIS AND WHY ARE WE DOING THIS APPLICABILITY OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, HOURS OF OPERATION WITHIN THE LIVE WORK OVERLAY. THESE WERE CONCERNS THAT WERE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAD HEARD THROUGHOUT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. AND SO SO IT REALLY JUST KIND OF REINFORCED WHAT, WHAT WE HAD HEARD BEFORE. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. I WON'T GO TOO EXTENSIVELY IN IT, BUT THIS IS ALL STEMS FROM THE SOUTHEASTERN AREA PLAN. THIS WAS AN AREA PLAN FOR THIS SOUTHEASTERN AREA, WHICH INCLUDED THINGS LIKE LAND USE, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, WHAT KIND OF ARCHITECTURE, WHAT KIND OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WE WANTED TO SEE IN ORDER FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ACHIEVE THEIR VISION. THAT PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN JULY OF 2024. IT INCLUDES 53 ACTIONS TO ACHIEVE THIS VISION. AND TONIGHT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THREE OF THEM, WHICH ARE THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS. SO I'M GOING TO GO OVER THE RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY DISTRICT FIRST. THIS IS RELATED TO ACTION 4.1.1, WHICH IS CREATE AN OVERLAY RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY DISTRICT TO MAINTAIN THE SCALE AND CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOODS WHILE FOSTERING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT OUR THE PREPARATION OF THE SOUTHEASTERN AREA PLAN AND OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT PRESERVATION AND PROTECTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WAS WAS A CLEAR GOAL OF SOUTHEAST DENTON RESIDENTS, AND PART OF THAT WAS WAS MAINTAINING SCALE OF OF THE HOMES, THE USES THE SINGLE FAMILY USES, AS WELL AS JUST THAT ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, SO THAT ANY HOUSES THAT WOULD BE BUILT IN THERE LOOK LIKE THEY KIND OF GO THEIR WE, WE, AFTER THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED, WE WENT BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE, WE, WE GOT THIS RIGHT. SO WE STARTED TALKING WITH THE COMMUNITY WITH IN MARCH OF LAST YEAR, JUST ASKED ABOUT COMMUNITY PREFERENCES. AND WE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THINGS THAT WE SAW IN SOUTHEAST DENTON. AND IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, THINGS LIKE, DO WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE FRONT PORCHES OR STOOPS? DO WE WANT OVERSIZE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT? WHAT KIND OF ROOF STYLES WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? OUR FRONT ENTRY GARAGES ACCEPTABLE AS A AS A HOME FORM IN SOUTHEAST DENTON? WHAT KIND OF. WHAT KIND OF HEIGHT WOULD WE LIKE TO SEE? ONE STORY, TWO STORY, THREE STORY. AND WE GOT THAT INFORMATION BACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN WE PUT TOGETHER THE, THE REGULATIONS AND THEN CONTINUE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE WE GOT IT RIGHT. SO HERE WE ARE TONIGHT. I'M JUST GOING TO GO OVER IT BRIEFLY. THE SO THERE'S REALLY THREE PARTS OF, OF THE RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY, THE HEIGHT, THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, AND THEN APPLICABILITY. IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH LAND USE. THE LAND USES WOULD STAY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS EXISTING UNDER THAT EXISTING BASE ZONING. SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO LIMIT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN SOUTHEAST DENTON TO 30FT. IT WOULD ALLOW A TWO STORY HOME, BUT IT WOULDN'T ALLOW A THREE STORY HOME, WHICH WOULD BE WHICH WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER THE CURRENT REGULATIONS OF 40FT. WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 20FT FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. AND THAT WOULD BE ONE AND A HALF STORIES. AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, WE ARE PROPOSING THAT ALL NEW HOMES EITHER HAVE A PORCH OR STOOP, THAT THE WINDOWS AND DOORS NEED TO BE OVERSIZE. ON THAT FRONT FACADE, 25% OF THE FRONT FACADE, AS WELL AS 3.5IN TRIM ROOFS, 
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SHOULD BE GABLED, HIPPED, OR A COMBINATION THEREOF. AND THEN TWO ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES FROM THE LIST ON YOUR SCREEN. TWO WOULD HAVE TO BE SELECTED, BUT OF COURSE, A PROPERTY OWNER COULD COULD ADD OTHER THINGS AS WELL. IT'S NOT LIMITED TO THIS LIST, IT'S JUST TWO OF THESE HAVE TO BE PROVIDED. SO JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE IN THE MAY 18TH SUGGESTION WAS TO PROVIDE LIKE WHAT, WHAT KINDS OF HOUSES ARE WE LOOKING AT? SO JUST, JUST SHOWING SOME HOMES ON THE SCREEN OF WHAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED UNDER, UNDER THE, THE REGULATIONS PROPOSED THINGS LIKE FLAT ROOFS, THREE STORY HOMES, SHED ROOFS OR, OR HOMES THAT DON'T HAVE THAT FRONT PORCH OR THAT FRONT ENTRY. THOSE WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED IF THIS IF THIS WAS ADOPTED. AND THEN THE THIRD THING IS APPLICABILITY. SO WHEN DOES IT APPLY? WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT ARE NOT CREATING BARRIERS TO INVESTMENT OR MAINTENANCE OF PROPERTY OR OR IMPROVING PROPERTIES. IT WOULD ALL OF THE REGULATIONS WOULD APPLY TO NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO IF SOMEBODY WAS GOING GROUND UP, EVERYTHING WOULD APPLY EXPANSIONS OF AN EXISTING HOME. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADD A ROOF OR YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A SECOND STORY ON ONLY THE ROOF LINE. DID I SAY ROOF? IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADD ON A ROOM OR, OR A SECOND STORY, SORRY, YOU THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WOULD APPLY AS WELL AS THE ROOF FORM. AND THEN FINALLY, MAINTENANCE WOULD NOT BE APPLICABLE. SO THAT WAS IT FOR RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HEIGHT OVERLAY. THIS IS MUCH, MUCH SIMPLER. THIS IS INTENDED FOR THAT AREA AND OUTLINED IN BLUE TO PREVENT THE ENCROACHMENT OF DOWNTOWN STYLE DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTHEAST DENTON, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WERE, WERE, WERE REALLY EMPHASIZED THE PROTECTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKING SURE THAT DOWNTOWN DID NOT ENCROACH INTO SOUTHEAST END TO REALLY PROTECT SOUTHEAST DENTON. AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR A HEIGHT OVERLAY. THIS IS TO ENSURE THAT THE HEIGHT TRANSITION WOULD BE GENTLER. IT WOULDN'T BE A HARSH TRANSITION BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND ANY ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT. SO THE AREA WE'RE LOOKING AT IS ZONED PN DISTRICT AND ALSO FW DISTRICT, WHICH IS OUR GOVERNMENT DISTRICT. AND FW DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHTS UP TO 100FT, AND PN ALLOWS UP TO 65FT. WE ARE PROPOSING TO CAP THAT AT 40FT. AND SO THAT WAY, THAT WAY IT WOULD BE JUST JUST TEN FEET HIGHER THAN THAN THE PROPOSED MAXIMUM FOR RESIDENTIAL. JUST AGAIN, TO ALLOW THAT GENTLE TRANSITION. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MIA. 
          AND THANK YOU, >> JULIE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. YES, SIR. SO SO I KNOW RECENTLY THERE WERE A COUPLE OF HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT AND THEY HAVE A REALLY DIFFERENT LOOK THAN A LOT OF THE OTHER HOMES. THEY'RE THREE STORIES AND VERY MODERN LOOKING. AND SO THIS WOULD ESSENTIALLY KEEP THE STANDARDS AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO IN. 
          >> WELL, WHAT IT WOULD DO, IT WOULD IT WOULD LIMIT THE SCALE. SO IT COULDN'T NECESSARILY BE THAT TALL. ADDITIONALLY, IT WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THAT THOSE KIND OF BROAD ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, LIKE THE ROOFLINE, LIKE GETTING THAT ENTRANCE INTO IT, THE, THE LARGER WINDOWS WITH TRIM WOULD, WHILE YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE A MORE MODERN LOOKING HOME, IT WOULD STILL NEED TO BORROW THOSE ELEMENTS FROM THOSE HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL STYLES. 
          SO THAT MAKES SENSE. >> AND JULIE, SORRY, JUST REAL QUICK, THERE'S JUST SO MANY PIECES OF THIS. I THINK THIS WILL BE EASIER TO FOLLOW IF WE DO SORT OF QUESTIONS WITH PIECE BY PIECE. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE, THE OVERLAY MAP WITH THE DOTTED LINES THAT YOU HAD AT THE END THERE. YEAH, YEAH. I TAKE IT FROM THE HEIGHT OVERLAY GEOGRAPHY HERE WAS THE GOAL BASICALLY TO, TO LIMIT IT WITHIN ABOUT 4 TO 500FT OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES. AND THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF DREW THOSE LINES WHERE THEY ARE. OR WAS THERE ADDITIONAL THOUGHT 
          PUT BEHIND THAT? >> IT REALLY DOES KIND OF FOLLOW THE BLOCKS. SO THOSE THOSE AREAS OUT WITH THE RED OUTLINE ARE THOSE BLOCKS ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION. SO IF THEY REDEVELOPED OR IF THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD LIKELY FOLLOW THOSE, THOSE LINES. SO IT REALLY, IT WAS INTENDED TO JUST SORT OF 
          PROVIDE THAT BUFFER. >> RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SURE. ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK WE'RE 
          GOOD. MIA. >> OKAY. EVENING, COMMISSIONER. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. MIA HAYNES, SENIOR PLANNER. AND I'M GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU THE LIVE WORK 
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OVERLAY PORTION OF THE SOUTHEASTERN OVERLAY. JUST AS A REMINDER, THE REASON THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LIVE WORK PIECE, AT LEAST AS OF SECTION FOUR, .1.3 FROM THE AREA PLAN, WHICH SORT OF SET US TO GIVE US THIS CHARGE TO SORT OF HELP COME UP WITH A, A MIX OF USES OR INTRODUCE A MIX OF USES WITHIN THE AREA ALONG EAST PRAIRIE, SKINNER STREET, ROBERTSON COOK AND COOK STREET. WE ALSO HEARD FROM THE AREA PLAN DURING THE AREA PLAN PROCESS THAT EAST PRAIRIE SPECIFICALLY USED TO HAVE A BUNCH OF BUSINESSES THAT THE COMMUNITY PATRONS AND RAN. AND THEY WANTED TO SORT OF SEE THAT RESTORED. AGAIN WITH RESPECT TO THE RESIDENTIAL CURRENT RESIDENTIAL PIECE OF IT, AS JULIE MENTIONED IN HER PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION. SO I PRESENT THIS SLIDE, AND I WON'T COVER EVERYTHING HERE IN DETAIL, JUST BECAUSE THE ACTION ITSELF IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. THE ACTION ITSELF WANTED BASICALLY FOR LIVE WORK DWELLING TO BE EXISTING WITHIN THE SAME BUILDING OR STRUCTURE IN ADOPTING OR IN TRYING TO PROPOSE SOME STANDARDS FOR THAT, WE REALIZED THAT WHAT OUR CURRENT DDC REQUIRES FOR LIVE WORK DWELLING UNITS AND WHAT THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE REQUIRES FOR A LIVABLE DWELLING UNITS CONFLICTS A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO WE ARE WE ACTUALLY KIND OF RETAILORED RETOOLED THE ACTUAL ACTION. AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AND SHOULD MAKE LIVE WORK EASIER IN SOME OF THESE AREAS. 
          BUT THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO ALLOW FOR STANDALONE BUSINESSES TO OCCUR. 
          SO THE AREA SPECIFICALLY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE I SAID, IT'S IT'S THE PROPERTIES ALONG EAST PRAIRIE STREET, WEST OF SKINNER, ROBERTSON AND COOK STREET AND NORTH OF Y STREET. 
          THE FUTURE LAND USE IN THIS AREA. WE ENDED UP SUBDIVIDING THIS BECAUSE THE FUTURE LAND USE AND THE EXISTING ZONING AND LAND USES IN THIS AREA ARE SO DIFFERENT. SECTION A ALONG EAST PRAIRIE STREET HAS A MIX OF SORT OF NEIGHBORHOOD, MIXED USE, MODERATE RESIDENTIAL, LOW RESIDENTIAL. IT'S KIND OF A HODGEPODGE. EXPECTATIONS ALONG EAST PRAIRIE STREET. SECTION B IS REALLY LAID OUT FOR MODERATE RESIDENTIAL. THAT MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING THAT THE SOUTHEAST ASIAN COMMUNITY IDENTIFIED THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE WITHIN THIS AREA. AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE SOUTH OF THAT IS FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF SINGLE OR LOW RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND SO THE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS WITH RESPECT TO THE EXISTING ZONING, THE EXISTING LAND USES, AS WELL AS THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHAT WE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, WHEN WE WENT SPECIFICALLY TO ASK ABOUT SECTION A, THE AREA ALONG EAST PRAIRIE WITH THAT HODGEPODGE SORT OF FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION, WE ASKED THE COMMUNITY WHAT USES THEY THOUGHT WERE APPROPRIATE AS STANDALONE BUSINESSES ALONG EAST PRAIRIE STREET. HERE IN THE CHART TO THE LEFT IS THEIR RESPONSE. AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE, SIT DOWN RESTAURANT GOT A 84% RESPONSE THAT, YES, THIS IS APPROPRIATE AS A AS A STANDALONE BUSINESS. GENERAL RETAIL GOT 85 PERSONAL SERVICE, 84 DAYCARE, 83 MOBILE FOOD COURT 87 BUSINESS OR TRADE SCHOOL 79, PROFESSIONAL OFFICE 74, AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. AND SO WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE IS THAT THIS IS REFLECTIVE IN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR A SECTION EIGHT EAST PRAIRIE, THE CURRENT ZONING. AND I REALLY JUST WANT TO POINT TO THIS MAP HERE. THE CURRENT ZONING FOR EAST PRAIRIE DOES INCLUDE A MIX OF M, N, R SEVEN AND R FOUR. THAT IS THE CURRENT ZONING. WHAT OUR ZONING MAP READS TODAY, AS FAR AS WHAT'S WHAT THOSE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED FOR, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TO ALLOW FOR THESE PROPERTIES TO HAVE BE BE ABLE TO OPERATE THESE USES AS STANDALONE BUSINESSES. SO THAT SIT DOWN RESTAURANT, EXCUSE ME, SIT DOWN RESTAURANT, GENERAL RETAIL, PERSONAL SERVICE, DAYCARE, MOBILE FOOD COURT WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. THAT'S JUST AN EXTRA LAYER OF CONSIDERATION, BOTH FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL. BUSINESS OR TRADE SCHOOL AS WELL WOULD REQUIRE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. PROFESSIONAL OFFICE WOULD BE PERMITTED. SELF-SERVICE LAUNDRY WOULD REQUIRE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND THEN WORK. LIVE DWELLING WOULD BE PERMITTED AND MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE FOR ALL NEW COMMERCIAL USES ALONG EAST PRAIRIE STREET. WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THERE BE A HOURS OF OPERATION STANDARD IN ORDER TO RESPECT, AGAIN, THE SORT OF EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE HEARD THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO PROTECT. SPECIFICALLY, THOSE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE LISTED HERE. THAT'S MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 8 A.M. TO 8 P.M. FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, 8 A.M. TO 10 P.M. THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH OUR BASIC OUR BASIC GENERAL NOISE STANDARDS IN OUR ORDINANCE. THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH. FOR NEW BUILDINGS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO INSTALL A LANDSCAPE SCREENING BUFFER BETWEEN WHERE THEY ABUTTED ANY EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. ADDITIONALLY, RESTAURANTS COULD 
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NOT EXCEED 5000FT■!S IN SIZE. SO AGAIN, PROTECTING THAT SCALE OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, GENERAL RETAIL, IF IT WAS TO COME INTO THIS AREA, WOULD BE MAXIMUM 5000FT■!S. IF IT'S STANDALONE, F IT'S MIXED USE, IT COULD GO UP TO 15,000FT■!S. AGAIN, JUST OPENING OPPORTUNITIES, KIND OF INCENTIVIZING THAT MISSING MIDDLE AND MIX OF USES. PERSONAL SERVICE WOULD BE A MAX 5000FT■!S AS WELL AS MOBILE FOO, COURT, DAYCARE. HOURS OF OPERATIONS ARE EXTENDED. THEY ARE, THEY ARE. WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THEM TO BE 6 A.M. TO 8 P.M. AND WE DID THAT. THE EARLIER TIME ALLOWED DROP OFF IN ORDER FOR PARENTS AND ANYONE WHO'S WORKING A EARLY JOB, THEY NEED TO BE THERE AT 8 A.M. THIS WOULD BE A CONVENIENCE TO BE TO DROP THEIR KIDS OFF EARLY. AS FAR AS SKINNER STREET, WE ARE PROPOSING SIMPLY FOR THE MODERATE RESIDENTIAL TO ALLOW FOR THAT MODERATE RESIDENTIAL AND THOSE MIXED MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THIS AREA. SO HERE, THE MAJORITY OF THE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY IS ARE FOR, WHICH TYPICALLY ALLOWS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES AND SOME MISSING MIDDLE. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TO ALLOW FOR MORE OF THOSE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES. 
          ESSENTIALLY, CHILDCARE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HEARD REPEATED THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE BE ABLE TO BE PERMITTED THROUGHOUT SOUTHEASTERN. SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE AS WELL. AND THEN DUPLEX FOURPLEX, TRIPLEXES TOWNHOMES, AS WELL AS WORK LIVE WOULD BE PERMITTED THERE. SIMILARLY, HERE, HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD APPLY TO THOSE USES. THERE, ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS WOULD APPLY, AND THOSE LANDSCAPE AND SCREENING BUFFER STANDARDS WOULD APPLY. AND THEN THE FINAL AREA IS ALONG ROBERTSON AND COOK STREET HERE. LIKE I SAID, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION IS PRIMARILY LOW RESIDENTIAL. SO THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS FOR THAT CONSISTENCY OF THE WORK LIVED DWELLING ASPECT. SO THERE ARE SOME ZONING PARCELS IN HERE THAT ARE ZONED FOR MORE THAN JUST RESIDENTIAL AND COULD ALLOW FOR LIVE WORK, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER COMMERCIAL USES. THOSE WOULD BE ABLE TO REMAIN THOSE THAT THAT ZONING, EXISTING ZONING WOULD REMAIN. WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE ZONING AT ALL. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TO BASICALLY MAKE THE LIVE WORK DWELLING UNIT PERMISSIBLE, AND THEN MAKE IT MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR IT. FINALLY, WE SENT OUT PUBLIC NOTIFICATIONS FOR THIS MEETING, AS WELL AS THE ONE WE HAD IN APRIL. AND WE ALSO PROPOSE OR DID THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETING LAST MONDAY. AS JULIE MENTIONED, WE RECEIVED SEVERAL RESPONSES IN FAVOR AND IN OPPOSITION MAJORITY OF WHAT WE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION ALLEGEDLY MAYBE SPEAK TO THE RESIDENTIAL PIECES OF IT. AS FAR AS THE LIVE WORK COMPONENT, WE RECEIVED THE GENERAL IN FAVOR THAT THEY ARE WANTING THE USES THERE. THE CONCERN MAINLY WAS THE HOURS OF OPERATION. BUT AGAIN, JUST TO REINSTATE THAT, THE REASON THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THAT IS BECAUSE WE HEARD FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTS THAT THEY WANT TO THAT THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS MAINTAINING TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO WITH THAT, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS OVERLAY AND THESE STANDARDS AFTER ACTION. HOPEFULLY THIS EVENING WE WILL BE AT THE CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 16TH FOR FINAL ACTION. HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. 
          >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? COMMISSIONER DYER? 
          >> FIRST OFF, I WANT TO JUST THANK YOU. AND JULIE, I KNOW THAT I HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY TRULY UNDERSTANDING THE PLAN AND EVERYTHING THAT ENCOMPASSED IT. SO YOU GUYS DID A FANTASTIC JOB, AND I WAS SO GLAD TO SEE SO MANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY COME OUT. SO I JUST, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS AND THE REST OF THE STAFF THAT HELPED YOU FOR THAT. 
          >> AND I GUESS I HAVE ONE MAYBE FOR BOTH OF YOU. WE TALKED ABOUT THE SORRY, LET ME GET MY TERMS UP BACK UP HERE. THAT REALLY THE GOALS WERE THE PRESERVATION AND PROTECTION. I REMEMBER IN THE THE PROCESS OF THE SOUTHEAST DENTON AREA PLAN THAT WE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT CERTAIN. RESULTS OF ANY REDEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA WERE AS EXPECTED BY THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THIS COLLECTION OF AMENDMENTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION, KIND OF PROTECTS THE THE LOOK OF THE BUILDINGS, BUT IT DOESN'T YET GET TO THE THE PROTECTION OF ALLOWING AFFORDABLE HOMEOWNERSHIP TYPES THAT THAT PEOPLE COULD SEE FUTURE GENERATIONS STAYING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF THEY WISHED. IS THAT A GENERAL OR A 
          REASONABLE SUMMARY? >> I THINK SO, YES. THIS REALLY IS JUST RELATED TO THOSE. AS 
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FAR AS RESIDENTIAL, THE THE SITE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS, THE BUILDING SCALE LOOK AND FEEL 
          OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> COULD ADD TO. THERE ARE OTHER ACTIONS OF THE SOUTHEAST AREA PLAN THAT COMBINED OR TALKS ABOUT THE. PEOPLE BASED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, STUFF LIKE THAT. THAT. HOUSING IS INTENDED TO ADDRESS HOUSING 
          AFFORDABILITY AND SMALL BUSINESS AFFORDABILITY AS WELL. >> YEAH. THERE MAY BE MORE MORE ACTIONS IN THE FUTURE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE UNDERSTANDING THE GOALS OF THIS PARTICULAR SET OF AMENDMENTS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I DON'T SEE ANY. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. I HAVE SEVERAL CARDS WISHING TO SPEAK, AND I'LL CALL THEM UP IN ORDER. BUT AS IS ALWAYS THE CASE WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS, IF. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK AFTER THESE SPEAKERS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME DOWN. FIRST. I HAVE MISS COLETTE JOHNSON. IF YOU'D COME DOWN AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO HAVE FOUR MINUTES TO TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS. 
          >> THAT EVENING. >> I'M COLETTE JOHNSON, 327 ROOS STREET. AND I'M HERE TO THANK JULIE AND MIA. THEY HAVE WORKED HARD ON THIS FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW. THEY'VE COME TO THE MEETINGS. I AM PRESIDENT OF THE SOUTHEASTERN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND THEY HAVE COME TO THE MEETINGS EVERY MONTH AND EXPLAINED WHAT WAS GOING ON. SO WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PASSING. WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF PRAIRIE STREET, HAVING THE RESTAURANT TO OPEN UP. WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THAT. SO WE'RE JUST HERE TO SHOW OUR SUPPORT AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL GET 
          PASSED. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT I HAVE. I BELIEVE, BARBARA. KINSMAN. I'M 
          SORRY IF I'M. >> SHE WAS HERE. >> OH, OKAY. THAT WAS THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THAT SHE SPOKE ON THE PREVIOUS ITEM. NEXT I HAVE JACQUELINE COX. LAWSON. YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME DOWN NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JACQUELINE COX LAWSON. I RESIDE AT NINE FOUR, SIX PRIMROSE DRIVE IN SANGER, TEXAS. I PREVIOUSLY LIVED IN SOUTHEASTERN FOR 33 YEARS UP UNTIL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. BUT I'M SPEAKING BECAUSE MY MOTHER IN LAW STILL LIVES THERE FOR OVER 50 PLUS YEARS. AND TWO THINGS I WANT TO SPEAK ON IS THE OVERLAY MEANING BUILDING THESE TWO STORY HOUSES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY BEEN THERE TEN, 20, 50 YEARS. AND IF WE BUILD ALL THESE HIGH STRUCTURE HOUSES, THEN THEIR HOUSES IS GOING TO LOOK SO MINUTE AND LOOK LIKE IT'S NOT WORTH ANYTHING. I DON'T THINK THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH THAT. MY SECOND THING, FOR OVER 20 YEARS, THIS BUILDING HAS SAT VACANT, PRODUCING NO ECONOMIC ACTIVITY, NO SERVICE FOR RESIDENTS, NO JOBS, NO INVESTMENT. AND TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, A VACANT PROPERTY FOR THAT LENGTH OF TIME IS NOT PRESERVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS CONTRIBUTING TO STAGNATION, SAFETY CONCERNS AND LOST OPPORTUNITY. RESPONSIBLE COMMERCIAL REZONING CAN TRANSFORM AN UNDERUTILIZED SPACE INTO SOMETHING THAT DIRECTLY BENEFITS THE RESIDENTS WHO ALREADY LIVES THERE. 
          COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT CAN CREATE LOCAL JOBS, INCREASE ACCESS TO GOODS AND SERVICES, GENERATES TAX REVENUE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. EXCUSE ME, AND SCHOOLS, AND BRING NEW LIFE TO AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN OVERLOOKED FOR DECADES. THE QUESTION SHOULD SHOULD NOT SIMPLY BE I'M SORRY, HIT A BUTTON. OH. BUT THE QUESTION SHOULD NOT SIMPLY BE WHETHER DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS, BUT WHETHER THE COMMUNITY HAS A VOICE IN SHAPING DEVELOPMENT THAT SERVICE EXISTING RESIDENTS INSTEAD OF DISPLACING THEM. A CAREFULLY PLANNED COMMERCIAL PROJECT WITH COMMUNITY PROTECTION, LOCAL HIRING COMMITMENT, SMALL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES, AND CULTURALLY, RESPECTFULLY DEVELOPMENT CAN PROVIDE LONG OVERDUE ECONOMIC 
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REVENUE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LEAVING A BUILDING EMPTY FOR OVER 20 YEARS DOES NOT PROTECT THE COMMUNITY. STAGNATE INVESTMENTS, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND EQUITABLE PLANNING DO. 
          ECONOMIC GROWTH SHOULD NOT BE LIMITED TO AN AFFLUENT AREAS ONLY PREDOMINANTLY BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS DESERVE ACCESS TO SAME LEVEL OF INVESTMENT, COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY SEEN IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY. DEVELOPING RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT CAN INITIALLY CONTINUE CYCLES OF DISINVESTMENT THAT CAN THAT COMMUNITIES HAVE FACED FOR GENERATIONS. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW WHAT BUSINESS I'M SPEAKING OF NONE OTHER THAN MR. BOBBY GARRETT. HIS BUSINESS IS CALLED HUBS GRUBB. MY REQUEST ON BEHALF OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I BROUGHT MY KIDS UP IN IS THAT IT BE ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL OR MIXED USES SO IT CAN BENEFIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN SOUTHEAST DENTON. NO MATTER WHERE I AM. 
          THAT IS HOME TO ME, AND I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT IT. AND WE NEED TO DO MORE IN HELPING OUR BLACK 
          BUSINESSES HERE IN THE CITY OF DENTON. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE QUESTION JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING. YOU SPOKE ON CONCERN OF HIGHER ELEVATION REDEVELOPMENT. YES, THE EXISTING ZONING WOULD ALLOW HOMES TO BE REBUILT UP TO 40FT. 
          AND THE PROPOSED. RESTRICTIONS WOULD LOWER THAT TO 30FT. SO ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THAT LOWERING OR WHAT? WHAT'S THE THE GOAL THERE 22FT. AND IF IF THEY CAN. AND I'D WANT YOU TO HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND, PLEASE. GREAT JOB LADIES, THAT IF THEY WANT TO BUILD ON TOP OF THAT, IT CAN ONLY GO UP TO 40FT. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING, OR DID I MISUNDERSTAND THAT TO AN 
          EXISTING PROPERTY? >> SO IF AN EXISTING IF IF APPROVED, AN EXISTING PROPERTY, IF THEY WERE TO ADD ON, THEY COULD NOT EXTEND PAST THE 30FT THAT WOULD APPLY TO THEM SO THAT THE THE 40FT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED FOR RESIDENTIAL IN SOUTHEAST DENTON. IF A. IF 
          APPROVED. OKAY. >> IF APPROVED. NOW, THANK YOU FOR THAT. MY, MY MY OTHER QUESTION AND I WILL TAKE MY SEAT, SIR. THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO ARE WE SAYING IF NEW PROPERTIES COME IN FROM GROUND UP, THEY CAN BUILD TWO STORIES? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? 
          >> YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S THE PROPOSAL. >> THAT'S THE. 
          >> PROPOSAL RIGHT NOW WITHOUT THE RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY, IF THIS DIDN'T PASS, FOR INSTANCE, THEN A NEW BUILDING BUILT IN A RESIDENTIAL LOT COULD GO UP TO 40FT OR THREE STORIES. AND WITH THE OVERLAY AS PROPOSED, IT WOULD LIMIT THAT TO TWO STORIES AT 30FT. 
          >> OKAY, I'M OPPOSED TO THAT. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> I HAVE MISS CYNTHIA COCHRAN. >> HEY, ERIC. >> YES. SORRY, COMMISSIONER 
          RIGGS. >> I KNOW THAT THERE WAS MENTION OF A CERTAIN BUILDING 
          THAT'S BEEN BEEN VACANT. >> GREAT JOB, LADIES. >> BUT THERE WAS MENTION OF A BUILDING THAT'S BEEN VACANT. AND MY UNDERSTANDING AND MAYBE JULIE OR MIA, YOU CAN YOU CAN HELP OUT. BUT IN ORDER FOR THAT BUILDING TO GET A PERMIT, THAT THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP IN 
          DOING THAT. >> SO I CAN TAKE THAT IF YOU WANT ME TO, MA'AM. YES. SO FOR FOR ANY VACANT BUILDING IN THE LIVE WORK OVERLAY THAT IS SEEKING TO OPEN AS A STANDALONE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, THIS OVERLAY IS THE FIRST STEP IN PERMITTING THAT BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY VERY FEW COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES PERMITTED UNDER THE R-7 ZONING TODAY. 
          >> SO CURRENTLY WITH THE CURRENT ZONING, IT IS NOT ALLOWED, BUT WITH THE OVERLAY 
          IT WOULD BE ALLOWED. >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. 
          >> THANK YOU. CYNTHIA, IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR. 
          >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS CYNTHIA COCHRAN. I'M STANDING IN FOR THE MARTIN LUTHER KING ADVISORY BOARD. I'VE BEEN ATTENDING THE ADVISORY BOARD FOR 25 YEARS, BUT I'M HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE I WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF SOUTHEAST DENTON, WITH THE CLUB COMING FROM MR. GARRETT. AND I JUST HOPE THAT WE CAN GET SOMETHING PASSED SO WE CAN HAVE US A NICE 
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RESTAURANT, SOME YUMMY, GOOD FOOD. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO FAR TO GET OUR FOOD. WE'RE USED TO THAT BUILDING BEING OPEN FOR US. WHEN I WAS EVEN IN HIGH SCHOOL, BACK IN THE 73 OR WHATEVER, WE ALWAYS HAD BARBECUE PLACE THERE, TOMMY'S BARBECUE, AND WE HAD BIG BUBBLES BARBECUE THERE. SO MR. GARRETT IS A VERY NICE PERSON AND HE CAN REALLY COOK TO YOU GUYS. SO WE WANT HIM. WE WANT TO GET IT PAST WHERE HE CAN, YOU KNOW, OPEN UP FOR US BECAUSE WE ARE AT AN AGE NOW. A LOT OF US, WE DON'T DRIVE AND GOING WAY OVER UNIVERSITY. AND THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON. 
          AND THEN WHEN THEY HAVE TRUCKS, PEOPLE SELLING THIS AND SELLING THAT, THAT'LL BE MORE GRATEFUL TO US AND HAPPINESS THAT WE CAN GET HIS BUSINESS GOING IN SOUTHEAST DENTON. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GO FAR TO GET IT. BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS, WE HAVE NOTHING WE COULD DO ABOUT NONE OF THIS THAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY. WE HAVE IN SOUTHEAST DENTON. WE HAVE THE MEAL PLACE IN SOUTHEASTERN. WE HAD A CONCRETE PLACE IN SOUTHEAST DENTON. WE HAVE A BODY SHOP IN SOUTHEAST DENTON. WE GOT THE AMERICAN LEGION HALL IN SOUTHEAST DENTON. WE HAVE THE GRAVEYARD, SOUTHEAST DENTON, WE HAVE THE KING CENTER. WE HAVE THE DENTON HOUSING AUTHORITY. WE EVEN HAD A COUNTY JAIL IN SOUTHEAST DENTON. WE EVEN HAVE THE FUNERAL HOME IN SOUTHEAST DENTON. SO MOST OF THIS WHAT I WANT TO JUST READ OUT, I THINK WITH ALL OF THIS GOING ON IN SOUTHEAST DENTON, CAN WE PLEASE, YOU KNOW, HOPE THAT WE CAN GET THIS PASSED SO WE ALL CAN KEEP SMILES ON OUR FACE AND Y'ALL REALLY, REALLY, WE WANT TO LET Y'ALL KNOW WE WILL BE SO HAPPY. 
          SO WE JUST WANT TO ASK Y'ALL, WILL Y'ALL PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE HELP US PASS THIS SO WE CAN BE HAPPY AND EVERYBODY CAN BE HAPPY TOGETHER. AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US AND WE 
          APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTION? I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. NEXT UP I HAVE. SORRY, BOBBY GARUDA GARRETT. THANK YOU. 
          >> MY NAME, BOBBY GARRETT. I'M A LIFETIME RESIDENT OF DENTON, TEXAS, CLASS OF 1995, DENTON HIGH. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DENTON, I KNOW DENTON, I KNOW DENTON, I KNOW THE SOUTHEAST DENTON AREA REALLY GOOD. I GREW UP THERE. I'M FROM AN AREA CALLED WILLOW CREEK. SOME OF Y'ALL MAY KNOW IT. WE. WE ARE A TIGHT, TIGHT KNIT COMMUNITY. WE GREW UP TIGHT KNIT COMMUNITY. 
          WE GREW UP IN THIS AREA KNOWING WHERE TO GO TO DEAL WITH CERTAIN PEOPLE. WE KNEW WHERE TO GO TO GET OUR LAUGHS. WE KNEW WHERE TO GO TO HAVE JUST BARBERSHOP TALK. WE KNEW HOW TO SHOOT THE YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WE KNEW THE AREAS TO GO TO IN DENTON, BUT WE ALWAYS HAD IF WE HAD NOTHING ELSE, WE HAD FOOD AREAS. WE HAD AREAS. YOU CAN GO GET SOMEBODY'S FOOD IF IT'S AT SOMEBODY'S HOUSE, IF IT'S AT A SMALL KITCHEN, IF IT'S SOMEBODY'S GRANDMOTHER JUST COOKING EVERY SUNDAY, LIKE SOMEBODY'S LIKE SOMEBODY'S MAMA. 
          I KNOW EVERY SUNDAY FED EVERYBODY. THIS IS THINGS THAT WE GREW UP DOING. THESE ARE THINGS WE GREW UP USED TO. SO THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO TRYING TO DO COMMERCE. BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO EVERYWHERE TO DO COMMERCE. MY PROPOSAL IS I LOVE EVERYTHING THAT MIA'S BEEN DOING BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR TWO YEARS TRYING TO GET THIS PROCESS GOING. I'VE TAKEN ON THIS BUILDING THAT WAS A SHELL. IT'S BEEN OPEN FOR 20 YEARS. IT WAS A SHELL. I WENT IN AND I RECONSTRUCTED IT, REDONE IT. I HAVE IT SET UP FOR A KITCHEN. SO WHAT WE ASK IS THAT WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND GET THE DOORS OPEN. AND, AND THIS IS A WAY TO BRING THE COMMUNITY EVEN CLOSER TOGETHER. WHEN YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT HAVING MEETINGS AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY WANTS, THIS IS A STABLE. THIS IS A HUB, NO PUN INTENDED. HUBS GRUB, THIS IS THIS IS A STABLE AND A HUB FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND MEET AND POLITIC AND DO WHATEVER. GET COMFORT WITHIN JUST BEING AROUND LIKE MINDED PEOPLE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? FOOD, GOOD FOOD HAS NO COLOR. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THIS ABOUT WHITE AND BLACK, THESE, THESE 
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PALETTES AND THESE TASTE BUDS. Y'ALL KNOW. AND MY MOTTO IS WHEN IT'S GOOD, IT'S GOOD. YOUR PALETTE. NO, YOUR PALETTE NOT GOING TO LIE. PEOPLE WILL. BUT WHEN YOU WHEN IT'S GOOD, YOU GOING TO KNOW IT'S GOOD AND YOU'LL BE BACK FOR MORE. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS JUST. 
          I LOVE THE SOUTHEASTERN OVERLAY, AND I REALLY HOPE THAT IT WORKS IN EVERYBODY'S FAVOR, NOT JUST MINE. I'M NOT JUST HERE FOR ME. I'M HERE FOR SOUTHEAST TEXAS. THAT'S WHERE I'M FROM. THAT'S WHERE I WAS BORN. THAT'S WHERE I'M GONNA BE AT. I'M NOT GOING NOWHERE. SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR US OUT AND ALL THAT. AND I REALLY HOPE OUR WORDS REALLY HIT SOMEWHERE. 
          I HOPE THEY HIT HOME. I HOPE Y'ALL LOOK AT YOUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAY, MAN, I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE CHANGE. JUST IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST IN MY GROUP OF PEOPLE I GREW UP WITH. 
          YOU KNOW, SMALL CHANGE BRINGS BIG CHANGE. SO WE GET A SMALL PIECE OF CHANGE. IT CAN LEAD TO A BIG CHANGE SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE. I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE WORLD WITH A WITH A FISH PLATE. WHAT I AM SAYING, YOU WILL CHANGE PEOPLE'S MOODS, ATTITUDES, AND THE WAY THEY VIEW EACH OTHER. YOU UNDERSTAND? COMMUNITY IS JUST BE BIGGER THAN SOUTHEAST DENTON. WE ARE DENTON. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? WE JUST WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE THE REST OF DENTON IS BEING TREATED. BECAUSE I DON'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ANYBODY. I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? AND I JUST, LIKE I SAY, I JUST APPRECIATE Y'ALL. I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THE WHOLE FOUR MINUTES, BUT I JUST ASK THAT YOU GUYS APPROVE THIS OVERLAY AND WHAT'S NOT RIGHT BY ANYBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE WE DID HAVE 70 SOMETHING PEOPLE, ALMOST 80 PEOPLE SHOW UP. WE SIT BACK AT THE TABLE AGAIN AND SAY, HEY, WE LIKE THIS PART, BUT WE DON'T LIKE THIS PART. BUT RIGHT NOW WE LOVE THE OVERLAY AND WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING AND BEING ABLE TO DO COMMERCE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS WE'VE BEEN WAITING ON THIS, THIS BUILDING. IT WAS JUST A BLESSING THAT GOD SENT ME OVER HERE TO, TO BURY THIS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD HAVE BEEN AND WALKED AWAY, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO WALK AWAY BECAUSE WHERE AM I GO? I GOT TO PASS THIS BUILDING EVERY DAY. I'M IN DENTON, I'M IN SOUTHEAST DENTON. SO THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. I JUST, YOU KNOW, I ASK THAT 
          Y'ALL HEAR US AND REALLY SHOW US FAVOR TODAY. >> YEAH. 
          >> SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER AND THEN 
          COMMISSIONER KOCHER SAID. >> MISTER BOBBY GARRETT. >> YES, MA'AM. MISS MCDADE. 
          >> WITH THE. I HEAR YOU SAY THAT YOU SUPPORT THE OVERLAYS AS PROPOSED BY THE CITY STAFF, AND THIS WOULD ALLOW YOU TO OPEN OR RUN YOUR BUSINESS OR RESTAURANT THAT YOU HAVE AS IT 
          IS, AS IT'S BEEN PROPOSED? >> YES, MA'AM. IT WOULD ALLOW ME TO OPEN MY RESTAURANT AS PROPOSED. WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE HOURS OF PROPOSAL, BUT I AM PREPARED TO GO WITH WHAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW, AND THEN COME BACK DOWN THE LINE AND TRY TO RECONSTRUCT THE HOURS OF PROPOSAL, BECAUSE A LOT, A LOT OF PEOPLE IS NOT IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK FOR THEM. BUT I'M PREPARED TO TAKE THE STEPS I NEED TO TAKE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, GET THROUGH THE DOOR AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK LATER ON. ME AND ME HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS ALREADY. WE'LL COME BACK LATER ON AND JUST TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK THOSE EXTRA HOURS THAT I'M TRYING TO GET, BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT 2 OR 3 EXTRA HOURS. SO THAT'S ALL I 
          GOT. YES, MA'AM. >> AND SORRY, COMMISSIONER KOCHER SAID. AND THEN 
          COMMISSIONER. >> KIND OF ANSWERED IT. I WAS ACTUALLY JUST GOING TO ASK, 
          WHAT HOURS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? >> JUST STANDARD HOURS. YOU KNOW WHAT? ANYBODY ELSE DOING COMMERCE LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, ONE IN THE MORNING, TWO IN THE MORNING. BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, EVEN REVEREND LOGAN, SAID HE DOESN'T GET OUTSIDE SOMETIMES TILL 10 P.M. AND RIGHT NOW IT'S BEEN PROPOSED TO BE CLOSED AT 10 P.M. BUT I NEED AT LEAST TO TWO TWO IN THE MORNING. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BECAUSE THESE ARE REGULAR HOURS OF SOMEBODY WHO DOES BUSINESS ON THE WEEKENDS. NOW I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL DURING THE WEEK. NOW, DURING THE WEEK, 9 P.M. 10 P.M. 
          THAT'S A GOOD CLOSING TIME. BUT ON THE WEEKEND, I NEED TO OPERATE ON WEEKEND HOURS. AND YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW WHAT WEEKEND HOURS ARE. I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE, LIKE I SAY, I HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE, OLD CUSTOMERS FROM PETERBILT AND THEM GUYS COME IN SWARMS AND DON'T GET OFF WORK UNTIL 1:00 IN THE MORNING, BUT THEY'LL COME IN GROUPS AND GROUPS AND GROUPS. BACK WHEN I WAS OPERATING AT ANOTHER PLACE. SO I DO HAVE A DIFFERENT OUR CUSTOMER BASE, AND I JUST 
          WOULDN'T LIKE TO BE LIMITED TO. 10 P.M. >> OKAY. 
          >> THANK YOU. YES, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER GARLAND. >> BUT JUST TO CONFIRM, LIKE RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS, AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR ME, IT WOULD BE 8 TO 8 RIGHT NOW DURING THE WEEK, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY OR MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND THEN FRIDAY, 
          SATURDAY, SUNDAY, IT WOULD BE 8 TO 10 P.M. >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> BUT YOU WOULD RATHER SEE IT LIKE 10 P.M. DURING THE WEEK AND THEN MAYBE LATER ON THE WEEKENDS. OR LIKE IN A PERFECT WORLD, WHERE ARE YOU ASKING ME FOR? 
          >> I SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'LL BE CLOSED ON MONDAYS. SO I SAY TUESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. I LIKE TO GET A BREAKFAST THING GOING, GET MY MOTHER AND ONE OF MY COUSINS AND ARE DOING BREAKFAST. SO I LIKE TO SEE AS EARLY AS SEVEN, AS LATE AS TEN ON FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS. I LIKE TO SEE AS EARLY AS TEN, 10 A.M. OR 11 A.M. AND AS LATE AS 2 A.M. 
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          >> OKAY. >> SO THOSE ARE MY PROPOSED HOURS. THANK YOU. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER MCDUFF. >> YES, MR. GARRETT, I APPRECIATE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN, AND I APPRECIATED THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM YOU AT THE SEDNA MEETING. CERTAINLY DO. AND WE ALL ARE SERIOUS ABOUT HEARING CONCERNS OF EVERYONE THAT CAME HERE TONIGHT AND CAME TO THAT MEETING. AND IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE. IT WAS FRUITFUL AND INFORMATIVE. BUT JUST TO ASSURE EVERYONE THAT WE TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY AND WE TAKE THE PLAN SERIOUSLY, WE TAKE THIS OVERLAY SERIOUSLY, AND WE DID HEAR THE THE COMMENT WAS, WOULD THIS HAPPEN IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS RELATED TO SOUTH RIDGE, RIGHT? WOULD WE GIVE IT THE SAME CONSIDERATIONS? AND SO WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN OUR WORK SESSION. AND I CAN ASSURE YOU WE WOULD. WE HEAR EVERYONE. WE'RE ALL COMMITTED TO THAT. AND SO APPRECIATE YOU COMING BACK. AND I DID HAVE TO ASK YOU, AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT, THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT. SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION, TOO, WITH THAT OVERLAY. SO I'M GLAD TO 
          HEAR THAT YOU AND ME, THE STAFF HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. >> YES, MA'AM. APPRECIATE THAT. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> MR. GARRETT. I'LL JUST SAY THANK YOU AGAIN FOR FOR COMING OUT. AND AND EVEN MORE THAN THAT, THANK YOU FOR ENGAGING WITH YOUR COMMUNITY. I THINK SOMEBODY BEFORE SAID, YOU KNOW, OR MAYBE IT WAS YOU. I'M SORRY. IT'S RUNNING TOGETHER IN MY MIND THAT, YOU KNOW, LOCAL BUSINESSES AND FOOD IS COMMUNITY. THAT IS RIGHT. IT'S WHAT BRINGS NEIGHBORS TOGETHER SO THAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ISSUES BEFORE THEY BLOW UP. 
          >> RIGHT. AND DIFFERENCES. >> YEAH. AND SO, SO I APPLAUD WHAT, WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND WHAT YOU'RE HOPING TO DO IN THE FUTURE. I WOULD COMMEND YOU TO, TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF AS WE GO FORWARD. YOU KNOW, I CAN THINK OF FUTURE SITUATIONS WHERE MAYBE OUTDOOR. USES OF A RESTAURANT IS IS LIMITED AFTER A CERTAIN TIME, BUT INDOOR WOULD BE OKAY, THINGS LIKE THAT. LET'S, LET'S GET TO A SOLUTION IS MY, MY SUGGESTION. 
          >> ALL I ASK. >> RIGHT THERE. >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THAT'S 
          IT. >> YEAH. >> THANKS A LOT. 
          >> THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE GRACIE BUCKHORN BUCHANAN. I'M SORRY, I MY EYES I, I WHEN I TURNED 40, I SAID I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS ANYMORE. AND, AND NOW THAT I'M 45, I THINK I'VE LEARNED MAYBE MY 45 IS OTHER PEOPLE'S 40, SO I APOLOGIZE. 
          >> TIME FOR A CHECK UP. YOU MIGHT NEED NEW. DO YOU HAVE BIFOCALS? 
          >> NO, I. >> MIGHT BE IT. >> YOU KNOW, IT WAS IT WAS LESS THAN SIX MONTHS AGO AND I PASSED THE TEST. BUT MAYBE NEXT TIME I. 
          >> WON'T CHECK INTO PROGRESSIVES. >> OKAY. 
          >> MY NAME IS GRACIE BUCHANAN. I LIVE AT 1215 MOORE STREET. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF DENTON FOR 70 YEARS. MY PARENTS MOVED HERE. I'VE NOTICED MOST A LOT OF CHANGES IN SOUTHEAST DENTON. 
          ONE OF THE BIG CHANGES I'VE NOTICED LATELY IS WE STILL CONSIDERED SOUTHEASTERN AS BLACK. I WAS IN FIFTH GRADE WHEN THEY BUILT PARK LANE AND BOARDWALK. AND I REMEMBER WHAT WENT ON WHEN THEY MOVED BLACKS FROM THE T.W. AREA AND HOW THEY HAD TO COME TO THAT PART OF THE AREA. I'VE TALKED TO MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY PASSED, HOW THEY END UP GETTING A HOUSE IN SOUTHEAST DENTON. WHAT I AM NOTICING NOW IS LIMITED SPACE FOR BLACK PEOPLE. 
          AND I HAVE DRIVEN AROUND AND WATCHED CHILDREN GET ON BUSSES, AND I DON'T NOTICE MANY BLACK CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GET ON SCHOOL BUSSES. I DO NOTICE IN APARTMENT COMPLEXES THERE ARE MORE BLACK CHILDREN GETTING ON SCHOOL BUSSES THAN ANY OTHER. SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE STILL CONSIDERED BLACK? SOUTHEASTERN IS JUST A MULTICULTURAL. HAS HISPANIC TAKEN OVER? BECAUSE I HAVE NOTICED WHEN HOUSES COME AVAILABLE, IT DOES NOT BECOME 
          AVAILABLE TO BLACKS. SO THAT IS MY QUESTION TO THE COUNCIL. >> THANK YOU. YEAH. JUST FOR 
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CLARIFICATION FROM FROM OUR WHEN YOU SAY BE AVAILABLE TO. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AT PRICES 
          THAT THE FAMILIES CAN AFFORD? >> I'M TALKING ABOUT WHERE I LIVE ON MORRIS STREET. THERE ARE TWO HOUSES CAME AVAILABLE. ONE USED TO BELONG TO THE LOGANS THAT LIVED THERE. THEY WERE RE CONSTRUCTING IT AND THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO ME. MY HUSBAND PUT IN AN OFFER FOR HIS OLDEST DAUGHTER FOR THE LOGAN HOUSE. HE WAS DENIED. OKAY. AND THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR BUILT. AND HE ASKED THE OWNER ABOUT THAT. HE WAS DENIED AGAIN, ENDED UP THE FIRST PERSON WENT INTO THAT HOME, WAS BUSTED FOR BIG DRUG DEALS. OKAY, SO LIKE I SAY, I HAVE NOTICED THROUGHOUT THIS PART OF DENTON SOUTHEAST DENTON, MOST OF THE HOMES THAT COME AVAILABLE GO TO HISPANICS. AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. ARE WE JUST BEING PUSHED OUT AGAIN? 
          >> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I DON'T SEE ANY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MISS BUCHANAN. I HAVE A WHITE CARD FROM ZELINDA PROGRAM. TYPICALLY, THE WHITE CARDS ARE TO VOICE SUPPORT BUT NOT SPEAK. BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO SPEAK IF YOU'D LIKE TO. AND AND THAT'S ALL THE CARDS I HAVE. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU'RE 
          WELCOME TO COME UP NOW. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BRANDI COX HARRIS. I AM A DENTONS FORMER MISS JUNETEENTH 2005. I AM A GRADUATE OF DENTON HIGH SCHOOL, CLASS OF 99. I'M ALSO A PERSONAL FRIEND OF MR. GARRETT'S. I ALSO GREW UP WITH MISS GRACIE'S NEPHEW, WHO IS 
          NOW NO LONGER WITH >> THIS. >> SO I TOO GREW UP IN WILLOW CREEK. NEIGHBOR TO MR. GARRETT AND MANY OTHERS OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I LOVE SOUTHEAST DENTON. THAT'S MY HOME. I AM JUST STANDING TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF NUMBER ONE, THE THE OVERLAY PROJECT FOR SOUTHEAST DENTON. MIA AND YOU ALL HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB. YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. AND THEN I ALSO JUST WANTED TO STAND IN SUPPORT OF MR. GARRETT AND JUST GO ON RECORD TO SPEAK TO HIS CHARACTER JUST AS A PERSON AND AS A BUSINESSMAN, AND WHAT HE BRINGS TO OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR PEERS. I ALSO JUST REALLY QUICKLY WANTED TO SPEAK TO THOSE HOURS OF OPERATION, JUST ALSO IN SUPPORT OF MR. GARRETT IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE A SUCCESSFUL SIT DOWN RESTAURANT. THE WEEKEND HOURS ARE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE REVISITED, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE, BUT JUST IN SUPPORT OF GETTING HIS DOORS OPEN AND OUR COMMUNITY BEING ABLE TO SHOW UP AND SUPPORT HIM IN THAT WAY, IT WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL BLESSING TO US. SO 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL HEARING US. >> THAT'S IT. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IS WELCOME TO COME DOWN FRONT. JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          >> YES. MY NAME IS PRUDENCE SANCHEZ AND I LIVE AT 711 JACKSON STREET IN SOUTHEAST DENTON. AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK. THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I HAVE ABOUT THE OVERLAY DISTRICT IS I DON'T AGREE WITH THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS. I THINK THAT IT'S LIKE I'M THE GOVERNMENT AND WE'RE HERE TO HELP. NO, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF TRYING TO CODIFY THINGS THAT ARE REALLY MORE LIKE A DEVELOPER'S PURVIEW AND OR LIKE AN HOA, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN SOMEONE COMES TO SOUTHEAST DENTON AND WANTS TO BUILD A HOUSE, MAYBE THEY WON'T COME BECAUSE MAYBE THEY DON'T WANT TO STOOP, MAYBE THEY DON'T WANT A PORCH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY DON'T WANT THE CRAFTSMAN LOOK, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO RESTRICTIVE. I CAN GET ON BOARD WITH THE JUST THE TWO STORY, YOU KNOW, AND NOTHING HIGHER THAN THAT. I DON'T LIKE BEING THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTHEAST DENTON BEING PUT INTO A BOX THIS WAY. I APPRECIATE THE CITY 
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COMING OUT AND TRYING TO GET THE INFORMATION AND WHAT IT IS THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. I DON'T AGREE WITH THE EXCUSE ME, THE LIVE THE HOURS AS WELL. YOU KNOW, FOR LIVE AND WORK, IT NEEDS TO BE AS EARLY AS THE BUSINESS PERSON NEEDS AND AS LATE AS THEY NEED IN ORDER TO BE SUCCESSFUL. I LET'S SEE ANOTHER THING THAT I DON'T LIKE OR THAT I HAVE CONCERNS WITH IS REALLY, I JUST THINK THAT THE CITY'S PURVIEW IS WEEDS, TRASH, DEBRIS, WASTE DESIGN, AND THOSE OTHER THINGS IS A PERSONAL CHOICE FOR THE PERSON WHO'S BUILDING, FOR THE PERSON WHO'S REMODELING, FOR THE PERSON WHO'S TRYING TO MAKE SOUTHEAST DENTON. WHAT IT SHOULD BE AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS IS GOOD HOUSING, FAIR HOUSING, YOU KNOW, NICE AREAS. I DON'T THINK THAT I DON'T WANT TO BE PUT IN A BOX TO WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A STOOP, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS WINDOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT. YOU DON'T DO THAT TO DEVELOPERS COMING IN WHO'S BOUGHT UP ALL THE LAND AND THEY BUILD WHAT THEY WANT, YOU KNOW? SO TO ME, IT'S THE CITY TRYING TO CODIFY REALLY AN HOA STANDARD. I'VE BEEN IN SOUTHEAST DENTON SINCE ABOUT 2014. WE MOVED TO THE AREA. WE MOVED FROM A MORE AFFLUENT NEIGHBORHOOD OR MIDDLE CLASS TO SOUTHEAST DENTON. I WAS RAISED IN A IN A COMMUNITY JUST LIKE THAT AND EVEN MORE LESS AFFLUENT BECAUSE, I MEAN, I WAS RAISED UNTIL I WAS 15 WITH NO INSIDE BATHROOM IN LOUISIANA. SO I BELIEVE THAT'S OUT. AND WHEN WE SAY WHEN YOU ALL SAY THAT YOU WANT TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER, JUST LIKE THE OTHER SPEAKER SAID, WHEN THE PEOPLE MOVED TO SOUTHEAST DENTON, THEY HAD TO HITCH UP THEIR HOUSE AND THEY HAD TO MOVE IT OVER HERE. AND THAT CHARACTER, IS THAT REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE? YOU KNOW, JUST REALLY WHAT THEY COULD BUILD WITH THEIR OWN TWO HANDS? YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WANT TO EVEN ELEVATE THE STANDARD. AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY I THINK. THANK YOU. 
          >> COMMISSIONER MCDADE, I THINK WE HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. >> OH, SURE. I'M SORRY. 
          >> OH, OKAY. THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AGAIN. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M TRACKING WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID THAT, THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO REDEVELOP, EXPAND A HOME, THAT SORT OF THING ARE NOT LIMITED, THAT THEY CAN RAISE THE STANDARD OF, OF WHAT'S THERE. AS THINGS EVOLVE IT, I GUESS, TO, TO JULIE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS PROPOSED FOR THE OVERLAY ARE FOR, FOR TO RISK OVERSIMPLIFICATION SLIGHTLY HIGHER IN STANDARD THAN WHAT WE APPLY TO NEW SUBDIVISIONS IN RESIDENTIAL LAND IN THE REST OF THE CITY. IS THAT A FAIR SUMMARIZATION? 
          >> YES. JULIE CAN CORRECT ME IF I MISS ANYTHING. BUT TO BE CLEAR, THE CITY DOES HAVE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STANDARDS FOR ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. ALL DEVELOPERS ARE HELD TO THEM. 
          THEY HAVE TO CHOOSE FROM A VERY SIMILAR LIST OF OPTIONS AS WHAT JULIE PRESENTED FOR THIS. THESE ARE JUST THOSE OPTIONS THAT NARROW THE FOCUS TO WHAT THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOLD US THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE STAY ON ALL OF THE HOMES TO KEEP THE STYLE THE SAME, BUT 
          SIMILAR BUT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. >> AND THERE'S NOTHING LIMITING WITHIN THE ENVELOPE OF THE BUILDING FROM INCREASING WINDOW SIZE BEYOND THOSE MINIMUMS OR OTHER THINGS. IS THAT CORRECT? 
          >> THOSE ARE MINIMUMS. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> WELL, LET ME SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE I KEEP HEARING YOU ALL OR DIFFERENT PEOPLE SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS. IT SAYS MUST ALL NEW HOMES MUST INCLUDE. THIS IS NOT A CHOICE. THIS IS MUST HAVE A PORCH, MUST HAVE A STOOP, MUST HAVE THIS, MUST HAVE THAT, THAT'S THAT'S HOA TYPE OF STUFF. AND IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE ARE INDIVIDUALS, YOU KNOW, WE THERE'S NO COOKIE CUTTER HOUSES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND TO ME, THIS IS WHAT IT'S TRYING TO BECOME. IT'S COOKIE CUTTER. WE'RE WE'RE DIFFERENT. WE'RE INDIVIDUALS. 
          WE LIKE THAT. AND SO TO ME, THIS IS TRYING TO CODIFY SOMETHING THAT MAYBE ALL OF US, AS IN INDIVIDUALLY DON'T WANT. AND, YOU KNOW, I KEEP HEARING, WELL, 84% OF THE COMMUNITY 
          WANTS THIS. THAT'S 84% OF THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY CAME. >> OKAY. 
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          >> SO THANK. >> YOU. >> COMMISSIONER RIGGS. 
          >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, MA'AM. YES. SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW I SAID THIS EARLIER, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF HOUSES THAT WENT UP. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS, IS THAT WOULD YOU BE OKAY SEEING THAT TYPE OF BECAUSE THERE'S ABOUT 60 ACRES THAT COULD DEVELOP THAT WAY IN SOUTHEAST DENTON. NOW. 
          >> I JUST DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING TOLD HOW MY HOUSE CAN LOOK. I'M BUILDING IT. I'M I'M SPENDING THE MONEY FOR IT. IT'S DIFFERENT. YOU KNOW, THE MODERN, THE MODERN IS. NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SEE IN SOUTHEAST DENTON. YES. WE ARE STARTING TO SEE THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF HOUSES EVEN ON EVEN ON MOORE STREET, THAT HAVE THAT ESTHETIC. BUT TO SAY THAT YOU MUST DO THIS, I DON'T APPRECIATE IT. AND I BELIEVE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE. WE DON'T WANT TO BE TOLD YOU MUST DO THIS WHEN IT'S A DESIGN FEATURE, YOU KNOW. YEAH, YOU CAN'T HAVE WEEDS. YOU CAN'T HAVE TRASH, YOU CAN'T HAVE OUTSIDE STORAGE. YOU HAVE TO MOW YOUR YARD. BUT DON'T TELL ME I HAVE TO HAVE A PORCH. DON'T TELL ME I HAVE TO HAVE A STOOP. THAT'S MY HOUSE. AND 
          THAT'S HOW I SEE IT. >> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? >> OKAY, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME DOWN. NOT SEEING ANY MORE MOTION. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN THE FLOOR. COMMISSIONER MCDADE. 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE OVERLAYS AS PRESENTED BY STAFF. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF FOR YOUR DILIGENCE AND COMMUNICATING AND MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY. YOU DID WHAT WE ASKED YOU TO DO TO GO BACK, AND I WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITY, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MY NEIGHBORHOOD FOR COMING OUT AND SPEAKING UP AND JUST LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT YOU WANT AND WHAT YOU DON'T WANT. AND SUGAR BEAR, I CAN'T WAIT TO GET 
          MY FIRST SANDWICH. THANK YOU. >> AND COMMISSIONER RIGGS. >> YEAH, I'LL SECOND THAT. AND I ALSO WANT TO WANT TO THANK STAFF. IN MY PREVIOUS CAREER, I WORKED FOR MUNICIPALITY, AND THE AMOUNT OF OUTREACH THAT THEY DID WAS REALLY ABOVE AND BEYOND. AND I APPRECIATE THE 
          HARD WORK, AND I CAN'T WAIT TO EAT SOME OF THE. >> COMMISSIONER GARLAND. 
          >> I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, CAN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, BUT GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT UNDER THE CONDITION OF EXTENDING THE HOURS FROM SUNDAY TO THURSDAY, 6 A.M. TO 10 P.M. AND THEN 
          FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, 6 A.M. TO MIDNIGHT. >> OH, YEAH. 
          >> IS THAT IS THAT A MOTION, AN AMENDMENT MOTION? >> YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE THOSE 
          CONDITIONS. >> OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION. >> I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          >> AND A SECOND FROM SORRY, JUST JUST LET US HEAR EACH OTHER SO THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS. I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I ALSO APPRECIATE THE ENTHUSIASM. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON AN AMENDMENT TO THE MAIN MOTION TO EXTEND THE HOURS BY TWO HOURS FOR ALL DAYS, 
          AS LISTED. >> SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 6 A.M. TO 10. 
          >> P.M. AND THEN THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SORRY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, 6 A.M. TO. OH, OKAY. 
          I'M SO SORRY. I ACTUALLY TYPED IT OUT SO I WOULDN'T MESS THIS UP. SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 6 A.M. TO 10 P.M. AND THEN FRIDAY, SATURDAY, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. 6 A.M. TO MIDNIGHT. DOES THAT. 
          >> POINT OF ORDER? POINT OF ORDER, >> COMMISSIONER MACDUFF. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND WE HAVE A SECOND. AND IF WE MAKE, I BELIEVE, A CHANGE IN THAT MOTION, THEN COMMISSIONER MCDADE WOULD HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT MODIFICATION. 
          >> SO. SO THAT'S ONE WAY OF DOING IT. WE CAN ALSO HAVE A SEPARATE AMENDMENT MOTION WITH A SECOND AND VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT, AND THEN DEFER TO THE MAIN MOTION AS AMENDED OR 
          NOT AMENDED. I'M FINE WITH EITHER WAY. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH HER. OKAY. 
          >> SO. YES. >> JUST WANT TO ADD, IF THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION THE BOARD CHOOSES TO MAKE, STAFF IS HAPPY TO ACCEPT THAT, BUT I DO WANT TO ENSURE THAT YOU ALL ARE AWARE THAT WOULD APPLY DISTRICT WIDE, NOT JUST TO THE BUSINESS THAT WAS SPOKEN ABOUT THIS 
          EVENING. >> YEAH. I THINK WE DO NEED TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, AS I HEARD THE COMMENTS, THERE'S THERE'S ALWAYS A TENSION BETWEEN RESTRICTIONS ON LAND RIGHTS AND 
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BUSINESS OWNERS IN AN AREA WHILE GUARDING AGAINST. PUSHING THOSE BOUNDARIES BY THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE THEIR NEIGHBOR'S INTERESTS, BEST INTEREST IN HEART, AND THE RESULT BEING ACTIVITY THAT IS, IS UNDESIRED BY THE MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS. WE MAKE TWO STEPS FORWARD, AND THEN WE GET THREE STEPS BACKWARD. SO, SO I WOULD LIKE US TO, TO CONSIDER THAT AND TALK THROUGH THAT. BUT, BUT YEAH, LET'S, LET'S HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. SO COMMISSIONER GARLAND, ARE YOU ON THE BOARD FOR DISCUSS. 
          >> OKAY. >> UNDERSTOOD. SO SO I THINK WE'RE WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME CONSENSUS TO TO EXTEND THE HOURS, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON MAKING SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT, RECOMMENDING THAT TO COUNCIL WOULD APPLY DISTRICT WIDE. RIGHT. SO THE ENTIRE. ACTUALLY, MIA, CAN YOU PULL UP THE MAP SHOWING THE LIVE WORK OVERLAY WHERE THESE. OUR. RESTRICTIONS AND ESSENTIALLY THE, THE PROVIDING ADDITIONAL LAND RIGHTS TO RUN BUSINESSES, BUT CAPPING THE HOURS AND WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING ON THE THE AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR WOULD APPLY AND JUST KIND OF TALK US THROUGH, IS IT IS IT ALL THREE OF THOSE AREAS, THE YELLOW, BROWN AND GREEN? 
          >> CORRECT. OKAY. >> YEAH. THE HOURS OF OPERATION RESTRICTIONS WOULD APPLY ACROSS 
          THE BOARD. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DYER. 
          >> TWO THINGS. FIRST OFF, JUST BECAUSE YOU EXTEND THE HOURS DOESN'T MEAN EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS HAS TO ABIDE BY THOSE HOURS. IT GIVES THEM THE FREEDOM AND THE FLEXIBILITY TO DECIDE THE HOURS THAT WORKS BEST FOR THEIR BUSINESS AND WHAT THE CUSTOMERS WANT TOO, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS A CERTAIN THING THAT THE CUSTOMER IS GOING TO DICTATE, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT WANTS TO GO IN THERE. SECOND, IS THERE ANY, LET'S SAY A BUSINESS GOES IN, IT'S CLOSE TO A HOUSE. THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLAINTS. WHAT ARE THE. WHAT'S THE RIGHT WORD I'M LOOKING FOR WHAT WHAT'S THE AUTHORITY THAT THE CITY HAS WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR A BUSINESS WHERE IT'S ALLOWED TO OPERATE IN THOSE HOURS. BUT MAYBE THERE'S A LOT OF FALLOUT 
          WITH WITH THE NEIGHBORS. >> ARE YOU ASKING KIND OF WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR IF NEIGHBORS HAVE A COMPLAINT, HOW DOES THAT GET ROUTED THROUGH THE CITY FOR FOR NOISE. 
          >> ORDINANCE WOULD HOPE THAT A BUSINESS WOULD BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THE NEIGHBORS. BUT IF FOR SOME REASON IT'S, IT'S NOT WORTH, YOU KNOW, THE HOURS IS NOT WORKING OUT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, ME AND JULIA SAID THAT THESE HOURS THAT THEY PROPOSED CAME FROM, 
          YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MONTHS OF DISCUSSIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN STAFF KIND OF TALK THROUGH WHAT THAT PROCESS IS? SURE. AND AS WELL AS THE BROADER ENGAGEMENT WITH 
          THE COMMUNITY. >> AND I MAY LOOK TO HILLARY FOR HELP HERE IF I MISSPEAK ON ANYTHING OR FORGET ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE. I WOULD SAY, FIRST OFF, IF WE GO MORE BROAD, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO SCALE THOSE HOURS BACK LATER. THAT'S WHY WE STARTED NARROWLY FOCUSED, BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS GO THROUGH AN ITERATIVE PROCESS WHERE WE ADD TO THAT LATER. IF WE DETERMINE THAT, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. THE SECOND I WOULD SAY IF IF IT IS A LEGALLY OPERATING BUSINESS AND A USE THAT IS ALLOWED TO BE THERE, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME SPECIFIC VIOLATION THAT THE CITY COULD STEP IN AND INTERCEDE ON. IF IT'S JUST THAT A NEIGHBOR DOESN'T LIKE THE SPECIFIC RESTAURANT OR MUSIC THAT THEY PLAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A NOISE VIOLATION OR A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE VIOLATION OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, OR A LAND USE THAT THAT ISN'T ALLOWED, BUT OUR AUTHORITY TO STEP IN AND TELL A BUSINESS THAT'S OPERATING LEGALLY THAT THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING JUST BECAUSE THE 
          NEIGHBORS DON'T LIKE IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO. >> AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, LIKE, MAYBE WE DO A, YOU KNOW, WORK A LITTLE BIT IN PRUDENCE IN THIS SITUATION IN THAT IF THERE IS A ROUTE, A PATH FOR SOMEBODY SUCH AS A RESTAURANT OWNER TO BE ABLE TO COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION, CITY COUNCIL WITH A SPECIAL, I'M ASSUMING IT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO GET THE EXTENDED HOURS. YOU KNOW, IF IF WE VOTE NOT TO DO THESE EXTENDED HOURS, BUT THEN WE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A CASE BY CASE BASIS, MAYBE THAT IS THE THE BETTER ROUTE. I'M NOT SURE. 
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LIKE I WANT TO GIVE THE FLEXIBILITY AND FREEDOM FOR A BUSINESS OWNER, BUT I ALSO WANT TO HONOR, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE MONTHS OF DISCUSSION THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND I GET IT, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WERE THERE SHARED THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL A RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, AREA. THE MAJORITY OF THAT AND, AND TAKING, YOU KNOW, 
          THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. >> YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. I GUESS I'LL SAY. I'M AWARE OF BUSINESSES IN THIS AREA THAT HAVE GARNERED. HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF POLICE OVER TIME WITH NOISE VIOLATIONS IN ORDER TO. TO ENSURE THAT THAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL AND BABIES CAN GET TO SLEEP AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING. SO THERE'S ALWAYS PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO BE HERE WHO WE NEED TO, TO HAVE THEIR INTERESTS IN MIND AS WELL AND BALANCE THOSE, I GUESS. 
          QUESTION TO TO COMMISSIONER GARLAND, I FIND MYSELF IN A STRANGE POSITION, HONESTLY, BY, BY BEING THE ONE WHO'S, WHO'S TRYING TO REEL BACK. WE. DO YOU THINK WE COULD RECOMMEND THE EXTENSION OF THE HOURS AS ONLY INDOOR OPERATION AND. AND ENSURE THAT OUTDOOR OPERATION WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE PROPOSED HOURS BY STAFF? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? 
          >> SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. IF IF IT'S LIKE INDOORS IN THE SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, INSIDE A RESTAURANT, IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? BUT LIKE OUTSIDE LIKE A PATIO COULDN'T BE. I MEAN, TO ME, 6 A.M. TO 10 P.M. IS PRETTY REASONABLE. BUT I'M SOMEBODY THAT HAS MAYBE WEIRD HOURS. LIKE WE DO HAVE DINNER AT 10 P.M. SO, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S STILL WITHIN THE REALM OF NORMAL. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE FEEL. LIKE THAT'S TOO BROAD, THEN CERTAINLY OPEN TO DISCUSSION. I JUST THOUGHT, TO ME, IT MAKES SENSE JUST TO KIND OF ADDRESS ALL THE ISSUES IN 1 IN 1 GO AND, YOU KNOW, ALLOW BUSINESSES TO KIND OF DO WHAT MAKES SENSE. AND THEN IF THERE'S PROBLEMS, WE ADDRESS THEM THEN RATHER THAN KIND OF PUNISH PEOPLE NOW FOR MAYBE 
          OTHER THINGS IN THE PAST. >> OKAY. >> YEAH. 
          >> I ALSO WANTED TO OFFER UP BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE, THE LIVE WORK REGULATIONS ARE WRITTEN. THERE ARE THREE DISTINCT SECTIONS. CURRENTLY. WE HAVE THE SAME HOURS PROPOSED FOR ALL OF THEM. IF THE COMMISSION FOUND THAT THERE WAS A, I GUESS MAYBE A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE IN SECTION A, WHICH IS MORE ON THE EDGE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS B AND C, WHICH ARE INTERIOR TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU COULD ALSO CONSIDER JUST AMENDING THOSE FOR SECTION A. JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT ALSO AS AN OPTION. IF YOU WERE TRYING TO PARSE THAT 
          DIFFERENCE A LITTLE BIT. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK WE'RE WE'RE BLOWING THE BALLOON UP TO CONSIDER ALL THE OPTIONS AND WE'RE ABOUT TO, TO COLLAPSE IT BACK DOWN TO GET TO A POINT, A POINT I DO WANT AS CHAIR TO INVITE. SORRY, MR. MR. GARRETT. JUST SO THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING THINGS THAT A BUSINESS OWNER AND A RESTAURATEUR COULD MAKE WORK IN A BUSINESS PLAN, WOULD THE WOULD HAVING EXTENDED HOURS, BUT ONLY HAVING THAT APPLIED TO INDOOR OPERATIONS BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD STILL BE A HARDSHIP, AND YOU'D STILL HAVE TO GO TO THE NEXT STEP IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT BUSINESS PLAN WORK. OR WOULD THAT ALLOW YOU TO, TO RUN YOUR BUSINESS THE WAY YOU SEE FIT? AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE UNDERSTAND FROM THIS INDIVIDUAL HOW BUSINESSES WORK IN GENERAL. JUST THINK BEYOND ONE BUSINESS. BUT THAT'S MY QUESTION TO YOU. IF YOU 
          COULD COME DOWN AND ADDRESS THAT, I'D APPRECIATE THAT. >> WELL. THE WAY I SEE IT IS THAT IF YOU CAN DEFINE INDOOR USE FOR ME, KIND OF GIVE ME THE DEFINITION OF WHAT INDOOR USE IS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I HAVE A CAPACITY, I ONLY HAVE A CAPACITY OF 49 PEOPLE, BUT I MAY HAVE 100 PATRONS WAITING TO GET FOOD. SO I MAY HAVE PEOPLE OUTSIDE WAITING TO GET IN. SO THE REAL THING IS THAT I, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE COULD ACTUALLY PULL UP MY RESTAURANT. I HAVE NO NEIGHBORS. I HAVE MY NEIGHBOR IS A CONCRETE COMPANY. THAT'S THAT'S MY NEIGHBOR. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? MY NEIGHBOR IS A CONCRETE COMPANY. THE HOUSE BEHIND ME, HE'S ONE 
          OF MY STAFF MEMBERS. HE WORKS THERE. >> SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING GENERALLY, MAYBE THAT WOULD WORK, BUT YOU'RE NOT SURE YET. IS THAT. 
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          >> YEAH. THE HOURS OF OPERATION. >> YEAH. >> WILL THEY WORK. 
          >> WOULD WE WOULD HAVING EXTENDED HOURS BUT BEING LIMITED TO PATRONS BEING SERVED 
          INDOORS AS OPPOSED TO IN AN OUTDOOR SEATING AREA? >> YEAH. 
          >> THAT'S FINE. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. THAT IS FINE 
          BECAUSE I ONLY OPERATE INDOORS. >> AND AS YOU SAID, ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE NEED TO, TO CONTINUE TO, TO ASSESS. I THINK STAFF MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO REALLY. THANK YOU 
          VERY MUCH, SIR. >> YEAH. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSION CHARLIE ROSENTHAL, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MR. GARRETT TOUCHED ON IT A LITTLE BIT. I JUST WANT TO TALK FROM ENFORCEABILITY STANDPOINT, ESPECIALLY TALKING ABOUT INDOOR OUTDOOR. YOU MIGHT HAVE CUSTOMERS STANDING OUTSIDE OF A BUSINESS. THEY COULD BE STANDING AND CHITCHATTING AS THEY'RE LEAVING A BUSINESS. I THINK FROM AN ENFORCEABILITY STANDPOINT, IT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT TO DISTINGUISH WHETHER AN ACTIVITY IS 
          HAPPENING INDOORS OR OUTDOORS. >> OKAY. >> AND THEN JUST I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT. I JUST WANTED TO, TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT EXTENDING THOSE HOURS OF OPERATIONS DOES ALLOW FOR REDEVELOPMENT IN AN AREA. SO YOU COULD HAVE A COMMERCIAL USE, GO IN ADJACENT TO A SINGLE FAMILY USE. I UNDERSTAND THAT MR. GARRETT'S BUSINESS IS NOT NEAR A RESIDENTIAL USE, BUT YOU COULD HAVE A REDEVELOPMENT DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR TO RESIDENTIAL USE, AND THOSE HOURS WOULD EXTEND THE SAME WAY IT DOES FOR 
          EVERYBODY. >> YEAH. THANK YOU. >> YEAH. SO I'LL JUST SAY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION. I'M I'M COMFORTABLE EITHER WAY. I'M SENSITIVE TO STAFF SAYING LOOK, THAT'S IN PRACTICE. WE'RE WE'RE BEING PUT IN A VERY STICKY SITUATION THEN. AND I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. SO, SO I'M, I'M LESS APT TO PUSH FOR A CONFUSING THING THAT COUNCIL MAY OR MAY NOT UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY CONSIDER IT, BUT I'M, I'M FINE WITH WITH THE PROPOSED HOURS OR EXTENDED HOURS. I HAVE A COUPLE OF OF REQUESTS TO 
          SPEAK. COMMISSIONER RIGGS. >> YEAH. I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT IF WE IF WE START PUTTING STIPULATIONS ON IT, THEN THEN WE KIND OF MAKE THINGS REALLY CONFUSING. AND SO I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP IT SIMPLE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. IF WE IF WE DECIDED NOT TO EXTEND THE HOURS. 
          SOUNDS LIKE STAFF HAS WORKED WITH MR. GARRETT TO ACTUALLY CARRY A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FORWARD, SO THAT THAT ONE BUSINESS COULD GET THOSE ADDITIONAL HOURS. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN I WHENEVER I LOOK AT THIS, MR. GARRETT, EVERYBODY'S REALLY EXCITED ABOUT HIS RESTAURANT GOING IN. BUT YOU COULD HAVE SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T LIVE IN DENTON COME BUY A PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND BUILD SOMETHING AND NOT RESPECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT RESPECT THE NEIGHBORS. AND SO I'D BE HESITANT TO DO THAT. BUT WITH THE WITH THE INDOOR REQUIREMENT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF OFF THE TABLE. BUT THAT ALSO MEANS HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE LIKE A PICNIC TABLE OUT OUTSIDE 
          WHERE PEOPLE COULD EAT AT. >> SO YEAH, YEAH. >> JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING. IT WOULD NOT BE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT THAT GOES TO PNC AND COUNCIL AS IT AS THE CODE CURRENTLY STANDS, IT WOULD BE A VARIANCE THAT WOULD GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT THAT COULD GIVE HIM THAT FLEXIBILITY IF YOU ALL WERE TO KEEP THE HOURS AS PROPOSED. 
          >> YES. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER MCDUFFIE. >> YES. I'D LIKE TO REEL US BACK IN A LITTLE BIT, TO USE YOUR WORD. AND THAT IS JUST TO REMIND US THAT THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS SUPPORTED BY SEDNA AND MLK BOARD. SO I WOULD SPEAK IN FAVOR OF STICKING WITH WITH 
          THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL. >> OKAY. >> AND THE ORIGINAL MOTION. AND 
          SECOND. >> UNDERSTOOD. SO WHAT WE HAVE ON THE BOARD NOW IS A MOTION TO AMEND THE MAIN MOTION TO EXTEND THE HOURS FROM AND CORRECT ME IF I'M MISSTATING THIS, 6 A.M. 
          TO 10 P.M. ON MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND 6 A.M. TO MIDNIGHT ON SORRY, SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND 6 A.M. THROUGH MIDNIGHT ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHTS. OKAY. AND AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL, SORRY, COUNCIL FROM STAFF ABOUT THE HOURS OF THE THREE SECTIONS COULD BE SEPARATED IF WE DESIRED TO DO SO. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO LOOK INTO 
          OR NOT? COMMISSIONER GARLAND. >> I WANT TO DO WHATEVER MAKES SENSE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR 
          STAFF. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE. THIS HAS BEEN AN ABSOLUTE LABOR. >> OF LOVE FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED, AND SO I DEFINITELY WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT. I KNOW EVERYBODY'S REALLY EXCITED TO GET THIS DONE AND, AND PAST BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY'S REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT. SO I'M CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT, BUT I ALSO JUST WANT 
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TO KIND OF LIKE, IF WE CAN JUST DIAL IT IN AND MAKE IT REALLY GREAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'D 
          BE, THAT'D BE A WIN FOR EVERYBODY. >> OKAY. COMMISSIONER DYER. 
          >> I THINK I'M IN FAVOR. NO, I KNOW I'M IN FAVOR OF GOING WITH THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO JUST VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS. STAFF IS ALREADY GOING TO BE WORKING WITH MR. GARRETT ON GETTING A VARIANCE TO GET HIS HOURS, WHICH I THINK, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT WE CAN PROMISE, BUT HE CAN. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT WOULDN'T FLY. I JUST FEEL LIKE WHILE ON THE SURFACE IT SOUNDS GREAT TO ALLOW THE EXTRA HOURS, I FEEL THAT ACTUALLY, IF WE'RE I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD RESTRICTIVE, BUT IF WE KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS NOW AND IT'S A CASE BY CASE BASIS, THE COMMUNITY WILL HAVE MORE OF A VOICE BECAUSE THEN THEY CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. WHEN A BUSINESS WANTS TO COME IN AND DO THE EXTENDED HOURS AND APPLY FOR A VARIANCE, THE COMMUNITY CAN COME AND SPEAK AND SAY, YES, WE'RE IN FAVOR OF THAT, OR NO, WE'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT. 
          THEN HAVING ONE BLANKET AMOUNT AND THEN WE RUN THE RISK OF A COMMUNITY THAT IS NOT HAPPY WITH A BUSINESS IN THE HOURS. SO I THINK I KNOW I'M IN FAVOR OF OUR FIRST GO AROUND. 
          >> OKAY. COMMISSIONER RIGGS. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR NOW, AND I GUESS IF YOU WANTED TO AMEND IT, YOU SURE YOU COULD? BUT IT'S WE KIND OF HAVE A MOTION AND FEEL 
          LIKE WE SHOULD VOTE ON IT. >> YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GETTING TO THAT POINT. IT'S LIKE I SAID, WE CAN. I THINK OUR DISCUSSION IS CONCLUDING ON THE HOURS UNLESS. COMMISSIONER MCDADE, DO 
          YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> I'LL REVISE MY MOTION TO APPROVE THE OVERLAYS AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF, AND ALLOW MR. GARRETT TO WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF ON EXTENDING ANY HOURS THAT HE NEEDS, BUT I'LL. I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR THE ORIGINAL PLANS. 
          >> OKAY. SORRY. SO SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S THE SAME AS YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION. 
          >> YES. >> OKAY. OKAY. SO WE I DO WANT TO RESPECT THE PROCESS. SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO EXTEND THAT. SO I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE ON THAT AND THEN VOTE ON THE MAIN MOTION. UNLESS THERE'S OBJECTION. OKAY. YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW LET'S I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON AMENDING THE MAIN MOTION TO EXTEND THE HOURS TO 6 A.M. AND FROM 6 A.M. TO 10 P.M. 
          ON SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY EVENINGS AND 6 A.M. THROUGH MIDNIGHT ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY 
          EVENING. CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE BOARD OF THAT. >> BYRD MOTION WAS MADE BY 
          COMMISSIONER SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HUTCHERSON. >> THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THAT ITEM PASSES 5 TO 2. I THINK WE CAN MOVE TO THE MAIN MOTION FAIRLY QUICKLY. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE THING, THOUGH, WHILE WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT HOURS, I THINK THAT AS RESIDENTS AND PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OWNERS MOVE INTO THE THE APPLICATION PROCESS, THEY WILL VERY QUICKLY FIND OUT THAT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS LIKE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT WILL COMPLETELY BLOCK ALL BUSINESSES OF CERTAIN TYPES IN THIS AREA. 
          AND SO THIS IS NOT OVER. THIS IS THE BEGINNING. I HOPE THAT THOSE THAT ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO INVEST IN THIS COMMUNITY CAN FIND A PATH TO GET STARTED QUICKLY, AND I HOPE THAT STAFF CAN CAN KIND OF MOVE THOSE THINGS THROUGH THE PROCESS MORE QUICKLY THAN, THAN SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE MAIN MOTION, COMMISSIONER RIGGS? 
          >> OH, NO, THAT WAS ACTUALLY UP THERE FROM EARLIER. I HAVE NO COMMENTS. OKAY. 
          >> SEEING NO MORE DISCUSSION, I WILL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE BOARD. SO THIS IS A THE MAIN MOTION IS NOW AMENDED WITH SHERRY MCDADE AS THE MOVER AND COMMISSIONER RIGGS AS THE SECONDER TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. WITH THE EXTENDED HOURS THAT I 
          DESCRIBED IN THE PREVIOUS MOTION. SORRY. >> SO WHAT ARE WE. JUST TELL ME 
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          WHAT WE'RE. >> SO SO SO THE PREVIOUS VOTE WAS TO AMEND THE MAIN MOTION TO ALLOW THE LONGER HOURS. AND NOW WE ARE VOTING ON THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THE AMENDED HOURS. YES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? SORRY, I'M GOOD AT MAKING THINGS MORE COMPLEX THAN NECESSARY. 
          >> SO I'M OVERTHINKING IT. >> OKAY, SO I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE BOARD. THAT ITEM PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. I KNOW IT'S LATE. I I'LL JUST SAY THAT THIS WILL BE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL. I'M SURE THERE WILL BE A ROBUST CONVERSATION THERE. AND AND STAFF IS VERY GOOD AT, AT COLLECTING THE NOTES TO REPORT WHAT ALL WE DISCUSSED. BUT THIS 
          IS IS NOT OVER YET, LIKE I SAID. SO THANK YOU FOR COMING. >> HEY, ERIC, REAL QUICK. YES, JUST JUST A REMINDER FOR EVERYBODY WHO'S HERE THAT WILL BE COMING TO COUNCIL JUNE 16TH, 17TH, 16TH. OKAY, SO I ENCOURAGE ALL OF Y'ALL TO CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE 
          PROCESS. >> YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MR. GARRETT. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO LET US KNOW THAT YOUR RESTAURANTS OPEN? WE ALL WANT TO GO. THAT'S I WANT SOME I 
          WANT SOME BARBECUE RIBS. >> OKAY. >> OH, ALWAYS. ALWAYS. 
          >> GOOD. >> ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM SIX. A HOLD A DISCUSSION 
          [A. PZ26-087 Hold a discussion regarding the Planning and Zoning Project Matrix.]
          ON THE PLANNING ZONING PROJECT MATRIX. >> YES. SO FOR THE MATRIX ITSELF, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAD ANY CHANGES THIS TIME. JUST A COUPLE OF UPDATES FOR YOU ALL 
          FROM CITY COUNCIL CHAIR. DON'T KNOW HOW THE RECORDINGS. YEAH. >> SORRY IF YOU ALL COULD PLEASE MOVE INTO THE HALLWAY SO THAT WE CAN HEAR EACH OTHER. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY 
          MUCH FOR COMING. >> ALL RIGHT. I KNOW EVERYONE'S TIRED, SO I'LL BE BRIEF. THERE WERE NO UPDATES TO THE MATRIX, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO CONSIDER ANYTHING YOU ALL MIGHT WISH TO ADD. JUST UPDATES FROM COUNCIL. AT THEIR LAST MEETING ON MAY 19TH, THEY DID APPROVE THE PD FOR SCRIPTURE STREET FOR THE COMMERCIAL EXISTING COMMERCIAL BUILDING, AS WELL AS THE REZONING FROM R R TO R ONE ON CHIN ROAD AND THE REZONING TO SUBURBAN CORRIDOR FOR THE 
          RECENTLY ANNEXED PARCEL ON SHERMAN AND HARTLEY FIELD. SO. >> ANY QUESTIONS OR ADDITIONS 
          TO THE MATRIX FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER? >> I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. I PROMISE I WON'T ASK US TO REVISIT DATA CENTERS. BUT WE WERE AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON 
          ASKING FOR INFORMATION ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU, CHAIR PRUITT. >> I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S WORK TONIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO ACTUALLY, I HAVE ONE THING POTENTIALLY THIS ISN'T REALLY A THIS IS MORE OF A REMINDER FOR A STANDING ITEM ON THE MATRIX. I KNOW WE HAVE SORT OF A YEARLY DEVELOPMENT OF DENTIN IN REVIEW WITH BI RIGHT APPLICATIONS AND THAT SORT OF THING. WE TALKED ABOUT BRIEFLY THAT THIS SET OF AMENDMENTS DOESN'T YET MOVE THE NEEDLE ON PROVIDING THOSE LOWER COST HOUSING OWNERSHIP OPTIONS WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I KNOW THERE ARE SOME ACTIONS WITHIN THE SOUTHEASTERN NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN FOR POTENTIALLY SOME ADDITIONAL ZONING ACTIONS OR SOME, SOME OTHER TOOLS TO, TO SUBSIDIZE SOME OF THAT HOME OWNERSHIP SITUATION. I KNOW THAT TEXAS IS NOT A, AN OPEN RECORD STATE TO WHERE WE KNOW THE SELL PRICE OF DEVELOPMENTS, BUT WE DO KNOW THE SIZE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO WITH ALL THAT PRELIMINARY STUFF 
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SAID, WHAT I WOULD REQUEST IS THAT WHEN WE SEE THE THE HOUSING UPDATE YEARLY HOUSING UPDATE, WE WOULD SEE A DEEP DIVE INTO THIS PARTICULAR SOUTHEASTERN AREA PLAN AREA TO SAY OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. THESE WERE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT WERE DEVELOPED, JUST SO WE CAN KIND OF TRACK WHETHER THE THE SUPPOSED PRICE POINTS AND SIZES OF THOSE HOMES ARE MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS. YOU KNOW, I HEARD I HEARD THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING SCHOOL KIDS GET ON THE SCHOOL BUSSES ANYMORE. AND IN MY VIEW, THAT'S HAPPENED BECAUSE WE HAVE ALLOWED OUR NEIGHBORHOODS TO BE DEPOPULATED. RIGHT? WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THAT. FAMILY SIZES HAVE SHRUNK AND HOMES HAVE GOTTEN LARGER. AND SO THE PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD THESE TYPES OF HOMES IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. ARE DIFFERENT SOCIO ECONOMICALLY, DEMOGRAPHICALLY, ETC. AS WELL AS THERE'S JUST FEWER KIDS. SO I SAY, LET'S BRING THE KIDS BACK TO SOUTHEASTERN. OKAY. AND THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR, IN OUR CITY. SO ANYTHING ELSE BRINGS US TO 
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CONCLUDING ITEMS. ITEM SEVEN. ANY CONCLUDING ITEMS TONIGHT? COMMISSIONER MCDUFF? SORRY. 
          >> I WAS JUST GOING TO A THOUGHT WENT THROUGH MY MIND THAT WE'VE ALREADY THANKED THE 
          STAFF PROFUSELY, AND SO I HOPE THEY. THEY HEARD THAT. >> THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR STAYING LATE TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE THAT WITH THAT. AT 859, WITH NO
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