Jul 14, 2026 City Council on 2026-07-14 1:00 PM (SPECIAL CALLED)

[WORK SESSION BEGINS AT 1:00 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION ROOM.]

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TO THIS SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL ON TUESDAY, JULY THE 14TH, 2026, ABOUT 1:02 P.M. I WANT TO THANK ALL MY COLLEAGUES FOR BEING HERE AND STAFF FOR THE FIRST REAL LONG MEETING OF THE NEW COUNCIL. SINCE ALL THE ELECTIONS AND THE RUNOFF ELECTIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. SO THANK YOU ALL AND I LOOK FORWARD TO IT. WE FIRST HAVE ON THE AGENDA. I BELIEVE IT'S PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE TO COMMENT ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEM. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? SEEING NONE. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN ANY COMMENTS

[A. ID 26-0068 Meeting Questions, Responses & Handouts]

ANY CLARIFICATIONS FROM AGENDA ITEMS? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER JESS. >> AND I PROBABLY MISHEARD YOU.

YOU MENTIONED THAT ITEM H HAS BEEN PULLED FOR AN INDEPENDENT VOTE, AND H IS THE RENAMING OF

A. >> OH, OKAY. WHICH WHICH ONE? MACK WAS THE THE UTILITY.

>> H H ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> OH H ON THE CONSENT. WELL, OKAY. H ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

YES. YEAH. H ON THE YOU'RE CORRECT. COUNCIL MEMBER H ON THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION IS THE RENAMING, BUT I WAS MEANING H ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. I THINK THAT WAS ME. SO THANK YOU.

>> NO NO NO WORRIES. YOU BET. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COUNCIL ON ANY OF THE AGENDA ITEMS? ALL RIGHT THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR WORK SESSIONS WHICH ARE AGENDA ITEM THREE A

[A. ID 26-0967 Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the nominations of Council members to standing and ad hoc boards, committees, and other internal/external groups, and the associated nomination and appointment processes. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

EXTERNAL GROUPS, AND ASSOCIATED NOMINATION APPOINTING PROCESS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. CHRISTI FOGLE, CHIEF OF STAFF AND INTERIM CITY SECRETARY, HERE TO REVIEW THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER APPOINTMENTS FOR THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT YOU ALL SIT ON AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THIS PROCESS TO INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL BOARDS, COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS OCCURS ANNUALLY FOLLOWING EACH MUNICIPAL ELECTION CYCLE. THERE ARE THREE TYPES OF COMMITTEES, GENERALLY THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS SERVE ON THE INTERNAL COUNCIL COMMITTEES, CONSISTING OF ONLY DENTON CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT OPERATE INTERNALLY. INTERNAL HYBRID COMMITTEES, WHICH INCLUDE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND RESIDENTS, AND THEN THE EXTERNAL BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES OF REGIONAL AND COUNTY ENTITIES WHERE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SERVE AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITY OF DENTON. AND WHILE SEVERAL OF THE EXTERNAL BOARDS DICTATE A TWO YEAR TERM, COMMITTEE, MEMBERSHIP AND ASSIGNMENTS ARE REVIEWED BY COUNCIL ANNUALLY TO ALLOW FOR PARTICIPATION BY NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND TO ADJUST ASSIGNMENTS AS NEEDED. THE PROCESS. THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT NOMINATION PATHS. THE MAYOR DOES NOMINATE MEMBERS TO THE COMMITTEE ON THE ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS THEN CONFIRMED BY COUNCIL VOTE, AND THEN NEARLY ALL THE OTHER COMMITTEES ANY COUNCIL MEMBER CAN PUT STAFF CAN PUT FORWARD THEIR NOMINATION. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME WHERE THE BYLAWS OF THOSE EXTERNAL ORGANIZATIONS REQUIRE THAT IT BE TYPICALLY THE MAYOR WHO SERVES ON THAT BOARD. WE ISSUED AN INFORMAL STAFF REPORT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO REQUESTING COUNCIL MEMBERS SUBMIT THEIR PREFERRED ASSIGNMENTS. WE RECEIVED ALL OF THOSE ASSIGNMENTS. SO TODAY, COUNCIL IS DISCUSSING PREFERENCES AND PROVIDING DIRECTION ON THE FORMAL NOMINATIONS TO BRING FORWARD THE. PLEASE NOTE THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE NOMINATIONS THAT WE RECEIVE TODAY WILL BE ON TONIGHT'S COUNCIL AGENDA FOR APPROVAL. THIS IS TO ACCOMMODATE A TIGHT MEETING TURNAROUND FOR THEIR FRIDAY THURSDAY FRIDAY MEETING THIS WEEK FOR HOT FUNDS. SO. AND ALL OF THE OTHER NOMINATIONS RECEIVED TODAY WILL BE CONSIDERED AT NEXT WEEK'S COUNCIL MEETING ON JULY 21ST.

SO THESE ARE THE THREE INTERNAL COUNCIL COMMITTEES. THEY'RE AUTHORIZED BY THE COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES. THEY CONSIST OF THREE MEMBERS SERVING AT THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL. THE COMMITTEE CHAIRS ARE SELECTED BY THE COMMITTEE, TYPICALLY AT THEIR FIRST MEETING FOLLOWING APPOINTMENTS, AND THEY PROVIDE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE AGENDA COMMITTEE IS ALWAYS THE MAYOR, MAYOR, PRO TEM AND CITY MANAGER. SO THAT REQUIRES NO

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>> SURE. GREAT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET STARTED? IF YOU COULD PUT THE SLIDE BACK UP ON THE INTERNAL COUNCIL COMMITTEES, WE'LL JUST TAKE THESE KIND OF ONE AT A TIME.

ABSOLUTELY. AGENDA. COMMITTEE SET. COMMITTEE ON THE ENVIRONMENT. THE MAYOR SETS THAT. BUT I MEAN, IS THERE ANYONE. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND ARE YOU STILL WANTING TO SERVE

ON THAT ENVIRONMENT, ON THAT COMMITTEE? >> YES. I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE ON

THAT ON THAT COMMITTEE. >> ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO. COUNCIL MEMBER MAYOR PRO TEM STEPHENS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE ONE MORE SLOT. WOULD THERE BE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SERVE ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMITTEE? NO ONE. DOES THAT MEAN. OH, OKAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'VE GOT THAT COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE. IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE THREE NOW. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND, YOU WERE ON

THERE LAST YEAR. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTINUE SERVING? >> I WOULD PLEASE.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. SO THAT LEAVES TWO COUNCIL MEMBER STEPHENS MAYOR PRO TEM STEPHENS. IT'S GOING TO TAKE ME A WHILE TO GET USED.

>> TO THAT. YOU CAN CALL ME COUNCIL MEMBER. IT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. OKAY. I I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW MY NOMINATION FOR THAT ONE AND JUST MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT IT, IF THAT'S OKAY. SURE.

I THINK THAT THE OTHER FOUR PEOPLE ARE MORE THAN CAPABLE OF DOING IT. I WOULD JUST ALSO KEEP IN MIND FOR EVERYONE THAT IS INTERESTED, I THINK WE HAVE TWO SPECIAL CALLED MEETINGS THIS WEEK. YES. TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN BE IN ATTENDANCE FOR THAT ARE IMPORTANT, BUT I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW. I THINK YOU ALL CAN HANDLE THIS. IT'S OKAY. YEAH.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER VILLARREAL, I MEAN, I MEAN, I CAN PROBABLY I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO COME TO COUNCIL. WHATEVER HAPPENS, I CAN STILL SIT IN ON THE PRESENTATIONS TOMORROW, BUT NOT JUST BE AN OFFICIAL PART OF THE COMMITTEE. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> I THINK WE TRY TO AVOID THAT. >> OH, BECAUSE OF THE QUORUM ISSUES. I GOT YOU. THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE IT IS A IT IS A COMMITTEE. YEAH. GOTCHA. OKAY. SO COUNCIL MEMBER

VILLARREAL, Y'ALL WOULD Y'ALL BE WILLING TO SERVE ON THAT? >> I WOULD BE WILLING TO SERVE.

I'M MOSTLY INTERESTED IN EITHER THIS COMMITTEE OR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD.

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SO I'M FINE WITH SERVING ON EITHER ONE PRIMARILY. >> YES. I AM EXCITED TO SERVE

ON THE CPC. >> OKAY, NOW I KNOW. WHAT WHAT I TALKED ABOUT DURING THE CAMPAIGN WAS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ONCE WE HAVE THESE THESE PRESENTATIONS, I GUESS WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REGULAR PROCEDURE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY TOO SOON TO CHANGE THAT, THAT CPC WILL HEAR THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE THE ORGANIZATIONS, AND THEN THEY WILL HAVE ANOTHER CALLED MEETING TO REFER OR TO RECOMMEND THE ALLOCATIONS TO THE FULL COUNCIL. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I DON'T MIND STEPPING BACK ON THAT BECAUSE I'LL HEAR IT ANYWAY WHEN IT COMES FORWARD. SO WE'LL JUST GO WITH THOSE THREE WITH THOSE THREE MEMBERS IF THAT'S IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYBODY.

>> OKAY. >> HOLLAND FERRY AND VILLARREAL. >> YES.

>> GOT IT. >> MOBILITY COMMITTEE. SO THIS IS ALL THE SEATS ARE AVAILABLE.

WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND, WOULD YOU STILL LIKE TO SERVE ON THAT COMMITTEE?

>> YES, PLEASE. >> ALL RIGHT. AND COUNCIL MEMBER, JESTER, COUNCIL MEMBER.

Y'ALL ARE AGREEING TO SERVE ON THAT. >> YES. SORRY.

>> OKAY. YEP. SO I THINK WE HAVE THOSE THERE. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD.

WE HAVE TWO SLOTS AND WE HAVE FIVE THAT HAVE DEMONSTRATED AN INTEREST IN THAT BOARD. SO I WANT TO GIVE ANY OR ALL OF THOSE A CHANCE TO SPEAK ON THEIR DESIRE. AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE, HAVING NOT DONE THIS, IF WE HAVE MORE THAT WANT TO THAT DESIRE TO DO IT THAT WE DON'T, THEN WE HAVE SLOTS. HOW DO WE RESOLVE THAT? IS THAT A VOTE OF THE COUNCIL EVENTUALLY? I GUESS

IT IS RIGHT. >> IF IT CAN'T BE RESOLVED THROUGH DIRECTION, IT WOULD ULTIMATELY COME DOWN TO A VOTE. NOMINATIONS AND VOTE BY THE COUNCIL.

>> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. >> OKAY. SO I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR.

YES. >> AS SOMEBODY THAT SORT OF TRIED TO SEE WHAT THE WORKLOAD WAS FOR EVERYBODY IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY SIGNED UP FOR, WHAT THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET, AND THAT SORT OF THING TO TRY TO BALANCE IT OUT. MY THOUGHT ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD, KNOWING THAT THAT THAT COMES ALSO WITH THE TOURS TWO APPOINTMENT, WOULD BE

JESTER CONTINUING TO SERVE AND ADDING STEVENS. >> AND ADDING, I'M SORRY,

STEVENS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER. YES. >> SERVING ON THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE IS FINE WITH ME, SO I'M FINE TO REMOVE MY NAME FROM CONSIDERATION HERE.

>> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? YES, COUNCILMEMBER. >> I WILL ALSO REMOVE MY NAME.

>> OKAY. SO WE HAVE CURRENTLY. RECOMMENDATION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE, JESTER AND

STEVENS AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND. ANY COMMENTS OR. >> I THINK THAT FITS SMOOTHLY

WITH OTHER OTHER COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS THAT I'VE GOT. >> OKAY. YOU MEAN.

>> IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME. >> OR DO YOU? WE'VE GOT TWO THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED. ARE YOU STILL WANTING TO TO SERVE HERE AS WELL?

>> I'M HAPPY TO. >> OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT THEN WE'VE NARROWED IT DOWN TO COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND, COUNCILMEMBER JESTER, AND COUNCILMEMBER. WHO WAS THE STEVENS. YEAH. STEVENS. MAYOR PRO TEM STEVENS. SO WE'VE GOT THREE WITH TWO SLOTS AVAILABLE.

SO ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS? YES. >> I'LL ADD THAT. THAT WOULD PUT COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND AT SEVEN COMMITTEES, WHICH APPEARS TO BE ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE, WHILE IT WOULD PUT STEVENS AT, I THINK THREE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO AGAIN, IT'S FOR ME, IT'S BALANCE. I TOTALLY AGREE THAT IT MATCHES A LOT OF THE OTHER COMMITTEES YOU'RE ON. BUT

TRYING TO FIND SOME BALANCE HERE. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND. >> FOR PURPOSES OF BALANCE, I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO TO BACK OFF OF THAT. THAT'S THAT'S FINE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GIVE ME THAT WOULD GIVE ME SIX, WHICH IS

PLENTY. >> RIGHT? RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN WE HAVE THAT COMMITTEE, I BELIEVE, RESOLVED. YES. NOW, I KNOW IN THE PRESENTATION IT SAID THAT THOSE THAT SERVE ON THAT BOARD ALSO SERVE ON THE ZONE TWO BOARD TAX, BUT THEY DON'T SERVE ON THE TAX AUTOMATICALLY TO THE ZONE ONE BOARD. CORRECT. OKAY. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. SO WE HAVE FOUR THERE. WATTS MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER VILLARREAL MAYOR

PRO TEM. >> AGAIN, SAME AS BEFORE. I THINK THE OTHER THREE ARE MORE THAN CAPABLE. SO I'M HAPPY TO REMOVE MYSELF FROM CONSIDERATION.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND, YOU'VE SERVED ON THAT. YOU WANT TO

CONTINUE SERVING ON THAT. NEXT YEAR. >> HE'S ALREADY ON UNTIL NEXT

YEAR. >> OH. OH, OKAY. OH, SO WE ONLY HAVE ONE SLOT. OKAY. I'M SORRY.

THAT'S MY THAT'S MY MISTAKE. YES. >> MY THOUGHT ON THAT.

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TO COUNCILMEMBER VILLARREAL ON THAT ONE. >> YES. AND I'LL BE GLAD TO WITHDRAW MY NAME AS WELL. SO YEAH, YOU BET, YOU BET. AND SO WE'VE GOT THOSE RESOLVED. AND THEN THE NEXT ONES ARE DALLAS REGIONAL MOBILITY. WE'VE GOT AN ALTERNATE VACANT COUNCILMEMBER JESTER, ARE YOU WILLING TO SERVE AS THE ALTERNATE. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES, MAYOR PRO TEM, DID I MISS ONE? OH, DRC OKAY. GO BACK. I'M SORRY. WHERE IS IT? OH, IT'S

THE SECOND ONE. >> YES. >> OKAY, I SEE.

>> WHAT YOU DO. >> ONLY HAVE THREE INDICATED INTERESTS, SO.

>> OH, SORRY. >> IT SHOULD BE. >> DO WHAT NOW? YEAH, WE GOT THREE, BUT WE ONLY HAVE TWO SLOTS. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. ALL RIGHT. ANY ANY BODY WHO'S

LISTED THERE. HAVE ANY. YES. COUNCILMEMBER RUMOHR. >> I WOULD BE CONTINUING I

BELIEVE. SO THERE'S REALLY JUST TWO TO FILL. MY NAME IS ON THE. >> OH, IT'S ALREADY THERE.

>> OKAY. SO IT SHOULD BE A SHOO IN FOR EVERYBODY. >> YEAH. THEN WE'VE GOT THAT SET AS WELL. BELIEVE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'VE GOT THE DALLAS REGIONAL MOBILITY COALITION RESOLVED. DIDN'T DISCOVER ADVISORY BOARD COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND.

>> I LIKE THAT ONE A LOT. >> OKAY. GOT THAT ONE NORTH TEXAS COMMISSION. I GUESS IF IT'S BEEN HISTORICALLY THE MAYOR I'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS A. YES.

>> NOT WITH THE MAYOR SERVING. >> I'M SORRY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> YEAH I APOLOGIZE. MY

COMMENTS WERE REGARDING THE ALTERNATE POSITION. SO. >> OH, OKAY. THE ALTERNATE

POSITION OF WHICH WHICH ONE? >> NORTH TEXAS COMMISSION. >> OH, IS THAT THE THE THE PROXY ONE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT THE MAYOR AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER IS A PROXY.

AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE? I THINK. >> THE CITY MANAGER CAN BE THE ALTERNATE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO. SO WE ALSO MIGHT HEAR FROM THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER AS FAR AS HER TIME COMMITMENT, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHE'S INTERESTED IN. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE NORTH TEXAS COMMISSION AND MY ROLE WITH THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL. THERE'S A LOT OF OVERLAY THERE AND THE THINGS THAT ARE TACKLED. AND SO THAT'S WHY I HAD PUT MY NAME IN AS AN ALTERNATE THINKING THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. HOWEVER, IF THE DECISION IS TO REMAIN WITH THE STATUS QUO, I JUST WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY. SO

WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO. >> MADAM CITY MANAGER. >> I'M FINE EITHER WAY.

>> OKAY, WELL, WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND GO WITH COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER AS THE

ALTERNATIVE ALTERNATE. YEAH. >> I'M SO SORRY. I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER FERRY HAD ALSO

PUT HIS NAME, SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO GRAB THE. >> NO, I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH

THAT. THAT'S OKAY. I CAN REMOVE MYSELF. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCIL

PERSON. >> THE DENTON COMMUNITY SHELTER ADVISORY BOARD. THOSE ARE TWO VACANCIES. WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT HAVE GIVEN A PREFERENCE, SO I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT.

SO I THINK WE'VE GOT THAT COVERED AS WELL. AND THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL, OF COURSE, COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER IS THERE, WHICH SHE NEEDS TO STAY THERE. HUDSPETH, AS THE WATTS IS THE ALTERNATE ALTERNATE COUNCIL MEMBER. RUMOHR SHARE WITH ME, YOU KNOW,

YOUR DESIRE TO TO TO BE THE ALTERNATE. >> SURE. THAT WAS ONLY IF YOU WERE NOT INTERESTED IN IT. OKAY, SO JUST KIND OF GETTING TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON AND SORT OF STUDYING OUR VERY SKILLED COUNCIL MEMBER, REPRESENTATIVE TO THE RTC, BUT THAT EVEN IN WHEN I SUBMITTED IT TO STAFF, IT WAS ONLY IF YOU DID NOT WANT THE ALTERNATE SPOT.

>> AND THE ALTERNATE IS JUST, I GUESS, COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER, IF YOU'RE UNABLE TO ATTEND. IS

THAT CORRECT OR ARE THEY. >> THAT IS CORRECT. SOME ALTERNATES DO ATTEND EVERY MEETING. OTHERS ATTEND IF NEEDED. IT IS A FORMAL PROCESS, HOWEVER, SO THE ALTERNATE HAS TO LET. AND IT HAS TO BE ME THAT LETS THE RTC KNOW THAT SOMEONE'S GOING TO BE SITTING

IN MY STEAD SO THEY ARE ABLE TO VOTE. SO OKAY, BUT YEAH, OKAY. >> BUT IF THEY WANT TO ATTEND AND YOU'RE THERE, THIS PROCESS DOESN'T HAVE TO OCCUR. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY CAN JUST COME. IF

THEY'RE NOT VOTING, THEY CAN JUST COME AND ATTEND. >> CORRECT. THERE'S USUALLY PEOPLE JUST WATCHING IN PERSON. SURE. YEAH. IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

>> COUNCILMEMBER RUMOHR IF I MEAN, I'VE SERVED ON THAT BOARD BEFORE LAST. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE THE ALTERNATE, WOULD YOU IS YOUR PLAN TO TRY TO GO EVEN WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER

IS IN ATTENDANCE? JUST TO OBSERVE? >> I'D LOVE TO SEE, YOU KNOW,

CURRENT ON WHAT'S GOING ON. YEAH, SURE. >> YEAH, SURE. I'M OKAY WITH

THAT. YEAH. OKAY. YEP. >> ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT THEN THE LAST THREE, THE UNITED WAY DENTON COUNTY BOARDS.

>> OKAY. THE MAYOR WAS ON THERE LAST TIME, I GUESS. I, I DON'T NEED TO BE ON THE DENTON COUNTY.

DON'T NEED TO BE ON ANY OF THEM, BUT DENTON COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH LEADERSHIP TEAM, I'M

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>> YES. THANK YOU SIR. >> OKAY. YOU BET. THE DENTON COUNTY HOMELESSNESS LEADERSHIP TEAM. I WOULD LIKE TO SERVE THERE, BUT I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW WE MAYBE EVEN SET UP AN ALTERNATE SO THAT IF I'M NOT ABLE TO BE THERE, IF SOMEBODY OTHER THAN JUST CITY STAFF COULD, COULD STAND AND COULD ALSO BE THERE NOT INSTEAD OF. BUT AND DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A FORMAL PROCESS IN ORDER TO CHANGE THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER FERRIS IS, AS INDICATED, AN INTEREST IN THAT. AND AND I WOULD CERTAINLY WOULD WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO BE THE ALTERNATE BECAUSE I'M I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, HOW OFTEN I'LL BE ABLE TO ATTEND THAT. AND IF I CAN'T, I WOULD WANT SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN WE CAN HAVE SITTING THERE. YES, SURE.

>> YEAH. I CURRENTLY HAVE SERVED ON THE HHLT FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF. OKAY. I JUST STEPPED DOWN FROM MY BOARD POSITION AT DAC, BUT I WAS THE REPRESENTATIVE APPOINTED A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. SO I'VE BEEN GOING TO MEETINGS FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS.

>> OKAY, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. IS IT OKAY TO DOES THERE NEED TO BE A FORMAL PROCESS FOR THAT.

>> SO I CAN REACH OUT TO UNITED WAY AND ENSURE THAT THAT IS ACCEPTABLE. AND THEN WE CAN BRING THAT BACK NEXT WEEK AS AS LONG AS I CONFIRM WITH THEM THAT THAT'S OKAY. IT'LL PROBABLY JUST NEED TO WE'LL JUST NEED TO CLARIFY THAT ONLY ONE PERSON WILL BE A VOTING

MEMBER OF. >> THAT COMMITTEE. AND IF THERE'S HONESTLY IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH IT, I DON'T MIND FORGOING THAT BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN SERVING ON IT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF AND YOU'RE REALLY UP TO SPEED ON, ON WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON IN SORT OF THE

SITUATIONS. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. WE'LL SEE. >> IF WE CAN GET THAT RESOLVED.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> AND THEN THE LAST ONE, THE DENTON COUNTY WORKFORCE SUCCESS

LEADERSHIP TEAM. >> COULD YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS? I'M NOT SURE I'M

FAMILIAR WITH THAT. >> YEAH IT IS. LET ME FIND IT IN THE PACKET. SO THEY MEET SIX TIMES A YEAR. EACH OF THESE BOARDS MEET SIX TIMES A YEAR. AND IT'S FOR CITIES AND TOWNS

TO LET ME LOOK. >> OKAY. >> I GOT IT A LITTLE. THERE ARE POLICYMAKING TEAM TASKED WITH IMPROVING PLANNING, COORDINATION, OVERSIGHT AND IMPLEMENTATION REQUIRED TO CREATE SYSTEMS CHANGE FOR WORKFORCE EMPLOYMENT

INITIATIVES IN DENTON COUNTY. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE HAVE TWO SLOTS

OPEN FOR THAT. IS THAT CORRECT? WE SEE. >> JUST ONE.

>> JUST ONE. YES, I SEE THAT. OKAY. >> YES. SO FIRST IT DIFFERS FROM THE OTHER TWO WHERE YOU HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER AND A STAFF PERSON. THIS ONE IS JUST

A COUNCIL MEMBER. >> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> AND COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD WAS PREVIOUSLY THE REPRESENTATIVE. >> ANY ONE HAVE A PREFERENCE ON

THAT, AN INTEREST IN THAT COUNCIL MEMBER? >> VILLARREAL I'D BE INTERESTED IN SERVING IN MY FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS PLACE ON THAT COMMISSION. OKAY, GREAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ANY YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTION AND ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS TO CLOSE THIS OUT. FANTASTIC. OH, YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER. >> THANK YOU. JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. WILL THERE BE TIME ONCE WE RECEIVE BACK WHO IS SLOTTED FOR EACH COMMITTEE TO I MEAN, JUST IN CASE ONE'S REALLY OVERWORKED AND ONE PERSON DOESN'T HAVE AS MANY. I MEAN, EVERYONE'S SO FLEXIBLE AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE FLEXIBLE AS WELL THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO. OR IS THAT NOT

DOABLE? >> SO SINCE WE WERE PLANNING TO BRING THE FORMAL RECOMMENDATIONS NEXT WEEK. YES. TYPICALLY WE WOULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL WEEK TO. AND SOME OF THEM WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT BRINGING JUST THE TIME SENSITIVE ONES BACK NEXT WEEK.

BUT I THINK IT IT MIGHT COMPLICATE THINGS A LITTLE BIT. >> NO, I WAS TRYING TO BE HELPFUL, BUT I THINK IN THIS INSTANCE, IT'S BETTER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DIRECTION

GIVEN TODAY. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. >> THANK YOU. YOU BET. OKAY.

[B. ID 26-0557 Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the current and forecasted budget. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 60 minutes]]

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>> ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AMY CASLICK CHIEF STRATEGIC OFFICER AND TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS REALLY TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY'S BUDGET LANDSCAPE, WITH A FOCUS ON THE GENERAL FUND AND THE FACTORS THAT ARE SHAPING THE FISCAL YEAR 2627 BUDGET. SO AS DENTON GROWS, THE DECISIONS AHEAD ABOUT SERVICES, STAFFING, CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND LONG TERM STABILITY ARE BECOMING MORE COMPLEX. TODAY IS INTENDED TO SET THE STAGE FOR OUR AUGUST 8TH BUDGET WORKSHOP. WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT DENTON'S GROWTH, OUR BUDGET STRUCTURE AND REVENUES, THE PRESSURES AND RISKS WE'RE MANAGING AND THE LONG TERM OBLIGATIONS THAT WILL SHAPE THE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE AHEAD. SO UNDERSTANDING OUR BUDGET ENVIRONMENT STARTS WITH UNDERSTANDING DENTON ITSELF, WHO WE SERVE, HOW LARGE WE ARE AND HOW QUICKLY WE ARE GROWING. WITH NEARLY 170,000 RESIDENTS ACROSS NEARLY 100MI■!S, DENTON S ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING CITIES IN THE REGION. AND THAT GROWTH IS NOT JUST POPULATION GROWTH, IT IS ALSO GEOGRAPHIC GROWTH. EACH NEW DEVELOPMENT EXPANDS THE AREA WE SERVE. IT BRINGS LONG TERM SERVICE AND INFRASTRUCTURE OBLIGATIONS, AND THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE PRESSURES THAT WE ARE FACING TODAY WITH OUR BUDGET. DENTON'S ECONOMIC GROWTH CONTINUES TO SHAPE OUR BUDGET OUTLOOK. SALES TAX IS ONE OF OUR MOST ECONOMICALLY SENSITIVE REVENUES. WE ADOPTED A BUDGET IN THE CURRENT YEAR OF $62.9 MILLION, WHICH IS REPRESENTATIVE OF A 4.6% INCREASE. UNEMPLOYMENT REMAINS LOW, WHICH DOES SUPPORT THE LOCAL ECONOMY, BUT ALSO MAKES RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION MORE CHALLENGING. AT THE SAME TIME, INFLATION REMAINS ELEVATED FOR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, EQUIPMENT, CHEMICALS, MEDICAL SUPPLIES, SOFTWARE AND CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. DEVELOPMENT REMAINS STRONG, BUT AS DENTON GROWS OUTWARD, SERVICE DEMAND AND INFRASTRUCTURE WORKLOAD GROWS AS WELL, AND REVENUES DO NOT NECESSARILY INCREASE AT THE SAME PACE AS OUR GROWTH. THE RESULTS ARE STRUCTURAL PRESSURES ON OUR BUDGET. WE HAVE GROWING DEMAND, RISING COSTS CONSTRAINED OR VOLATILE REVENUES AND INCREASING COMMUNITY EXPECTATIONS. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR BUDGET, ULTIMATELY IT COMES DOWN TO THREE QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO ASK OURSELVES. WHAT SERVICES DO WE PROVIDE? SO DENTON PROVIDES A BROAD RANGE OF SERVICES. WE ARE A FULL SERVICE CITY FROM POLICE, FIRE, ANIMAL SERVICES, PLANNING, UTILITIES. WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE INTERNAL FUNCTIONS THAT SUPPORT EVERY DEPARTMENT ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION. SECOND IS WHAT LEVEL OF SERVICE DO WE EXPECT? SO RESPONSE TIMES, MOWING CYCLES, LIBRARY HOURS, STREET RESURFACING, OUR APPROACHES TO ANIMAL CARE STANDARDS ALL HAVE SERVICE LEVEL DECISIONS. EACH OF THESE HAS COSTS ASSOCIATED TO STAFFING, TO EQUIPMENT AND TO FACILITIES. THE NEXT IS HOW DO WE SUSTAINABLY PAY FOR THESE SERVICES? SO THAT DEPENDS GREATLY ON OUR FUND STRUCTURE, REVENUE LIMITATIONS, INFLATION AND LONG TERM PLANNING.

RECURRING SERVICES NEED TO BE SUPPORTED BY STABLE, RECURRING RESOURCES. ULTIMATELY, THE BUDGET IS BOTH A STRATEGIC PLAN, BUT IT IS ALSO A BALANCING ACT, ALIGNING WHAT WE WANT TO PROVIDE WITH WHAT WE CAN RESPONSIBLY SUSTAIN. AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT BALANCING ACT IS UNDERSTANDING NOT ONLY. THAT, ALL OF OUR DOLLARS ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE.

EACH FUND HAS ITS OWN PURPOSE, ITS OWN RESTRICTIONS, AND ITS OWN LIMITATIONS. THE GENERAL FUND IS OUR MOST FLEXIBLE, BUT IT ALSO IS HIGHLY CONSTRAINED. IT IS PERSONNEL DRIVEN. NEARLY 70% OF OUR BUDGET IS PERSONNEL. ENTERPRISE FUNDS CONSIST OF ELECTRIC WATER, WASTEWATER, SOLID WASTE AND THE AIRPORT. THESE ARE SUPPORTED BY THEIR RATES. THESE DOLLARS CAN'T BE SIMPLY REDIRECTED TO THE GENERAL FUND. BEYOND APPROVED ROI AND FRANCHISE FEE

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AND THE LIMITATIONS, AGAIN, ALSO MATTER SO MUCH IN HOW WE ARE DEVELOPING OUR BUDGET. SO I WILL NOT COVER ALL OF THE NUMBERS ON THIS SLIDE. THIS IS JUST REALLY TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE SCALE OF WORK WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND. THE NUMBERS DON'T MATTER. IT REALLY MATTERS HERE TODAY FOR WHAT THEY REPRESENT. AND AGAIN, IT'S THE VOLUME AND IT'S THE VARIETY OF THOSE SERVICES ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION, PARTICULARLY IN THIS CASE, THE GENERAL FUND. SO NEXT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE MIX AS IT HELPS US EXPLAIN AND UNDERSTAND BOTH THE STRENGTHS AND THE WEAKNESSES WITHIN THAT FUND. ABOUT A THIRD OF THE REVENUES COME FROM PROPERTY TAXES. IT'S FLEXIBLE BUT HIGHLY SENSITIVE. SORRY. THAT IS I'M SORRY. THAT IS ACTUALLY OUR MOST STABLE REVENUE SOURCE, BUT IS ALSO THE MOST CONSTRAINED SOURCE OF REVENUE THAT WE HAVE. NEXT ARE SALES TAX, WHICH IS JUST UNDER 29%. THAT IS FLEXIBLE, BUT IT IS ALSO HIGHLY SENSITIVE TO CHANGES IN THE MARKET AND CHANGES IN CONSUMER SPENDING.

NEXT, WE HAVE ROI, WHICH CONTRIBUTES ABOUT 10% AND CAN VARY BASED ON OUR UTILITIES, CONSUMPTION, WEATHER, AND MARKET CONDITIONS. AND THEN WE HAVE FEES, PERMITS, AND FRANCHISE FEES, WHICH MAKE UP ROUGHLY 15% OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET. AND THESE FLUCTUATE BASED ON DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY AND BASED ON USAGE. FRANCHISE FEES ARE ALSO DECLINING, AND THAT IS DUE TO CABLE AND TELECOMMUNICATION MARKET CHANGES. THE REMAINDER COMES FROM INTEREST EARNING MISCELLANEOUS SOURCES AND THEN OUR INTERNAL REIMBURSEMENTS. SO THE LARGER POINT IS THAT ONLY ABOUT ONE THIRD OF THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE IS TRULY STABLE.

MUCH OF IT IS AFFECTED BY ECONOMIC CONDITIONS, CONSUMPTIONS AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT SOURCES OF REVENUE. SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH PROPERTY TAXES. OUR CERTIFIED VALUE ROSE TO 22.76 BILLION IN THE CURRENT YEAR. AND THAT WAS AN INCREASE OF 7.1%, RESULTING IN A BUDGET OF 71.89%. AND TO DATE, WE ARE AT 99% COLLECTED ON OUR PROPERTY TAX REVENUE. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT AS OUR VALUES INCREASE, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY TRANSLATE DIRECTLY TO THE SAME LEVEL OF ADDITIONAL OPERATING REVENUE. STATE LAW CAPS THE GROWTH AT 3.5%, UNLESS IT IS APPROVED BY VOTERS. A GROWING SHARE OF THE PROPERTY VALUE IS ALSO FROZEN FOR RESIDENTS OVER

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IT CAN BE IMPACTED BY CONSERVATION AND MARKET CONDITIONS AS WELL. FOR THE GENERAL FUND, THE ROI IS SIGNIFICANT. WITHOUT IT, THE FUND WOULD BE CONSIDERABLY SMALLER AND WOULD BE MORE DEPENDENT ON PROPERTY AND SALES TAXES.

>> IF I COULD JUST ADD A REAL QUICK QUESTION ON THE 14, TWO, SEVEN FOUR AND 15123, WAS THAT BECAUSE OF WINTER STORM URI? I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, 30 TO 40% INCREASE FROM THE

YEAR BEFORE AND A DECREASE IN THE YEAR AFTER. >> SO, SO I ASKED THAT, I ASKED THAT VERY QUESTION. AND THE ANSWER IS REALLY MORE ABOUT WHY IT WENT DOWN, NOT NECESSARILY WHY IT WENT UP. IT'S WHY IT WENT DOWN. OKAY. SO THEY HAD INDICATED THAT THE PUC T CHANGED, AND I'M GOING TO USE A LOT OF ACRONYMS HERE, THE T COST RATE. AND IT REDUCED THAT DRAMATICALLY ABOUT $30 MILLION. SO THE CITY SUBSEQUENTLY SUBSEQUENTLY IMPLEMENTED OUR TCRF TO HELP RECOVER THOSE COSTS. OKAY. THAT WAS A LOT OF ACRONYMS. AND IF TONY WERE HERE, I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE HIM EXPLAIN ALL THOSE ACRONYMS TO YOU.

>> SURE. SO THEN IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE T COSTS REVENUE THAT WE HAD THAT WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PERCENTAGES FOR THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT THAT WAS CONSIDERED REVENUE FROM THE UTILITIES. IT WASN'T JUST PURCHASE POWER OR WATER OR WASTE, BUT THAT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT. NOW, JUST MAYBE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON THAT. THAT'D BE GREAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT ANALYSIS.

>> ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT FEES, PERMITS AND FRANCHISE FEES, WHICH MAKE UP ABOUT 15% OF GENERAL FUND REVENUES. FEES AND PERMITS RISE WITH CONSTRUCTION AND SERVICE USE. AND THEN THEY DECLINED DURING SLOWER PERIODS. BY LAW, THEY MUST REFLECT THE COST OF PROVIDING THE SURVEY SERVICE AND CANNOT BE USED TO GENERATE ADDITIONAL REVENUE OR SURPLUS REVENUE. FRANCHISE FEES COME FROM UTILITIES, INCLUDING OUR OWN. AND AGAIN, THOSE CABLE AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS TELECOMMUNICATION COMPANIES WHO USE THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE THESE REVENUES ARE AFFECTED BY OUR DEVELOPMENT CYCLES, MARKET CONDITIONS AND REGULATORY CHANGES, THEY ARE LESS PREDICTABLE THAN OUR OTHER SOURCES OF REVENUE. ALL RIGHT.

SO WHEN WE PUT THE REVENUE PICTURE TOGETHER, THE STRUCTURAL CHALLENGES DO BECOME CLEARER. PROPERTY TAX IS STABLE BUT CONSTRAINED. SALES TAX IS SIGNIFICANT. BUT VOLATILE ROI CAN FLUCTUATE WITH OUR UTILITIES. REVENUES AND FEES ARE LIMITED TO COST RECOVERY.

AT THE SAME TIME, SERVICE DEMAND AND OPERATING COSTS CONTINUE TO RISE. THE GAP BETWEEN HOW OUR REVENUE GROWS AND HOW COSTS AND DEMAND GROWS CREATES AGAIN THAT ONGOING PRESSURE IN OUR BUDGET. SO ONCE WE HAVE THAT REVENUE ENVIRONMENT IN CONTEXT, I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE PRESSURES THAT WE HAVE, STARTING WITH REALLY WITH OUR OPERATING COSTS. SO ANIMAL SERVICES, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS EXPERIENCING SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN VETERINARY CARE, PHARMACEUTICALS AND SUPPLIES. THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE.

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>> YES. COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER. >> THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME INTERRUPT. I HOPE I'M NOT BREAKING THAT. OKAY, I WAS CURIOUS AND I HAD IN MY NOTES, I COULDN'T TELL FOR CERTAIN.

UNDER PROJECTED, THERE'S KIND OF A BROWN AND THEN A LITTLE BIT DARKER BROWN. YES. WHICH ONE IS WHICH? AND THE VET SERVICES, IS THAT THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OR THE OUTSIDE.

>> VET SERVICES IS THE HIGHEST AMOUNT. >> AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD. IS THAT JUST OUR CONTRACT WITH OUR OUTSIDE VENDOR FOR PERSONNEL? AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THAT'S OKAY. I KNOW THIS IS A HIGH LEVEL, SO I'M PROBABLY.

>> IN THE NICKI IS HERE. IF WE WANT TO ASK HER TO COME IN AND ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS.

>> I CAN ASK LATER. THIS IS A BIRD'S EYE VIEW AND SO I'LL ASK LATER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR

THE OFFER. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. NO, NO, NO, I DON'T MEAN TO GO OFF THE.

>> DO I? WELL, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YEAH, YEAH. IF YOU

COULD. >> I APOLOGIZE. I MISSED THE LAST PART OF THAT QUESTION. I

WAS RUNNING OVER. >> BUT NO, NO, WE'RE ALWAYS SO GLAD TO SEE YOU AND SO

APPRECIATIVE OF THE EXCELLENT WORK YOU'RE DOING OVER THERE. >> THE. IT IS OUTSIDE SERVICES FOR THE LARGER THE GRAY PORTION. OKAY, THAT'S A COMBINATION OF OUR RSVP SERVICES, WHICH OPERATES OUR VET SERVICES IN-HOUSE, PLUS THE OUTSIDE SERVICES WHERE WE SEND ANIMALS

OUT TO VARIOUS GROUPS. SO VARIOUS VETERINARY PRACTICES. >> OKAY. AND WHEN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE, WILL WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE IF WE DECIDE IT'S COST ADVANTAGEOUS TO HAVE OUR OWN IN-HOUSE PERSONNEL? I THAT'S BEING LOOKED AT. I KNOW IT'S

BEEN ASKED IN THE PAST. I JUST DON'T REMEMBER WHERE. >> IT IS BEING. IT IS BEING LOOKED AT RIGHT NOW IN THE BUDGET PROCESS. THERE IS SOME COST SAVINGS ASSOCIATED WITH BRINGING THE VET TECHS IN-HOUSE, AND THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY YEAR OVER YEAR COST SAVINGS.

HOWEVER, THE WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW WITH TREATING ANIMALS THAT COME IN THE DOOR FOR ALL SORTS OF CONDITIONS, THAT HAS REALLY WHAT'S BALLOONED. OUR COST IS SENDING THEM OUT BECAUSE WE CAN'T PROVIDE THOSE SPECIALTY SERVICES IN-HOUSE. SO THERE'S SOME EMERGENCY CARE THAT IS NEEDING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, ESPECIALLY DURING KITTEN SEASON. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF THEM THAT NEED TO GO OUT, AND THEN ALSO SOME ORTHOPEDIC SURGERIES THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO IN-HOUSE. SO EVEN IF WE BROUGHT THE VET STAFF IN-HOUSE COMPLETELY, THERE ARE STILL

SEVERAL THINGS WHERE WE'D NEED TO OUTSOURCE THAT FOR. >> WELL, AS AN OWNER OF A FIVE MONTH OLD PUPPY THAT LIKES TO EAT ROCKS AND SOFAS AND BEDS AND THINGS, I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THESE EMERGENCY COSTS ARE BALLOONING. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WAS JUST A QUESTION.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. >> AS THE OWNER OF A FOUR MONTH OLD PUPPY, I FEEL YOU.

>> I FEEL YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT WE WANT TO LOOK AT OUR WORKFORCE PRESSURES. OUR WORKFORCE PRESSURES REMAIN ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGES. WE HAVE REGIONAL COMPETITION THAT IS STRONG, PARTICULARLY IN OUR SPECIALIZED ARE HARD TO FILL POSITIONS. POLICE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION REMAINS DIFFICULT AS AGENCIES ACROSS THE METROPLEX COMPETE FOR A LIMITED APPLICATION APPLICANT POOL, AND THEN FIRE IS ALSO FACING HIGHER BASELINE COSTS. WITH THE EXPIRATION OF THE SAFER GRANT, WHICH COMPLICATES REALLY OUR LONG TERM STAFFING PLANS WITH THE LOSS OF THAT FUNDING. AND WHILE WE DIDN'T HAVE A COST OF LIVING OR MERIT INCREASE INCLUDED IN OUR BUDGET FOR THE CURRENT YEAR, IT IS AN ADDED PRESSURE AND IT DOES AGAIN INTENSIFY THAT COMPETITION THAT WE FACE WITH SURROUNDING CITIES.

TURNOVER, RETENTION, STAFFING AND COMPETITIVENESS ULTIMATELY AFFECT THE SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE EVERY DAY. SO WE MENTIONED THAT DENTON IS GROWING, GROWING VERY RAPIDLY.

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BUT THEY DO WANT A GREATER FOCUS ON STREETS, PUBLIC SAFETY, TRANSPORTATION, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND OUR HOMELESSNESS RESPONSE. SO WHEN WE COMPARE COMMUNITY PRIORITIES WITH THE BUDGET ENVIRONMENT, THERE IS STRONG ALIGNMENT BUT ALSO REAL TENSION BETWEEN PRIORITIES, GROWTH, COST AND OUR CAPACITY. STREETS, TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE ARE AMONG THE TOP NEEDS FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT THEY ARE ALSO SOME OF THE MOST RESOURCE INTENSIVE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO MAINTAINING AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, RISING CONSTRUCTION COSTS, AND THEN AGAIN, THE RAPID GROWTH THAT WE ARE FACING. PUBLIC SAFETY PRESENTS A SIMILAR CHALLENGE WHEN WHEN LOOKING AT PUBLIC SAFETY, OUR RESIDENTS WANT GREATER VISIBILITY WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEN STRONGER TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT. HOMELESSNESS ALSO REMAINS A MAJOR CONCERN FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT MEANINGFUL PROGRESS REALLY IS GOING TO BE DEPENDENT ON REGIONAL PARTNERSHIPS AND THEN DECLINING PERCEPTIONS AROUND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY REALLY REFLECT BROADER MARKET CONDITIONS AND AREN'T NECESSARILY THINGS THAT THE CITY ITSELF CONTROLS. THE THREAD THROUGH ALL OF THIS IS THAT THE THINGS THAT OUR COMMUNITY PRIORITIZES THE MOST

ARE ALSO THE MOST COST LEE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> PRO TEM. >> YES. >> MAYOR PRO TEM.

>> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THIS, AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU WENT OVER THE THE LAST SURVEY A FEW WEEKS AGO. BUT LIKE HOMELESSNESS, AS AN EXAMPLE, SAYS IT'S AN ISSUE FOR 84%. YES. AND IN THE NEXT SLIDE, HOMELESSNESS RESPONSE AND THE NEED FOR RESOURCE INTENSIVE HOMELESSNESS SERVICES. LIKE IS THERE A GAUGE FOR WHEN RESIDENTS LIST THAT AS A TOP CONCERN, WHAT THEY'RE INDICATING? IS IT THAT THEY

WANT MORE RESOURCES, LESS THEY'RE FRUSTRATED, OR. >> IT IS BOTH ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM IN BOTH THE LAST TWO SURVEYS THAT HAS THAT HAS CONTINUED TO BE AN ISSUE, AND IT IS VERY MUCH A MIX OF PROVIDE ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THIS POPULATION NEEDS TO TAKE AWAY ANYTHING THAT ATTRACTS THEM TO THIS COMMUNITY. IT IS POLAR OPPOSITES, QUITE FRANKLY.

THANK YOU. YES. OKAY. SO NEXT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT CAPITAL NEEDS. I'M GOING TO BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE WITH THIS ONE, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER PRESENTATION TODAY THAT'S GOING

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EACH OF THESE INVESTMENTS CARRIES WITH IT POTENTIAL OPERATING IMPACTS, SO THAT COULD INCLUDE MAINTENANCE, STAFFING AND EQUIPMENT. DELIVERING CAPITAL PROGRAMS AT THIS SCALE ALSO REQUIRES SUFFICIENT INTERNAL CAPACITY. SO CAPITAL PROJECTS IS NOT SEPARATE FROM THE OPERATING DISCUSSIONS. ITS SIZE, TIMING AND COMPOSITION HELP SHAPE FUTURE OPERATING NEEDS, FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS AND OUR DEBT OBLIGATIONS. SO AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO BE COVERED VERY EXTENSIVELY IN OUR IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION. BUT DEBT SERVICE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TAX REFLECTS, AGAIN, THAT LONG TERM COMMITMENT ASSOCIATED WITH VOTER APPROVED BONDS AND CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATIONS. AS NEW BONDS ARE ISSUED, TIMING MUST BALANCE INTEREST RATES, PROJECT READINESS, AND THE OVERALL TAX RATE. AND BECAUSE THE TAX RATE IS IS COMBINED, GREATER DEBT SERVICE REQUIREMENTS CAN CONSTRAIN THE OPERATIONAL SIDE OF THE RATE UNLESS THE OVERALL RATE CHANGES. AND AGAIN, WITHIN OUR STATE LAW LIMITS. I MENTIONED NEXT PRESENTATION. MATT HAMILTON, OUR CFO. IT WILL BE UP NEXT, AND HE WILL GO INTO THAT IN GREAT DETAIL. SO I'M GOING TO SAVE US A LITTLE TIME BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS A VERY LONG PRESENTATION TODAY. ALL RIGHT. SO CAPITAL PROJECTS, THEY MAY BE BOND FUNDED, BUT THEIR ONGOING OPERATIONS ARE FUNDED THROUGH OPERATING BUDGETS. AND I THINK THAT'S IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER EVERY TIME WE BUILD A FIRE STATION, IF WE ADD A NEW REC CENTER, A NEW LIBRARY, IF WE ADD A NEW VEHICLE, THESE ALL REQUIRE ONGOING MAINTENANCE. THEY REQUIRE STAFFING. WHEN WE RENOVATE A FACILITY THAT BRINGS LONG TERM COSTS FOR UTILITIES, MAINTENANCE, STAFFING, EQUIPMENT, AND THESE RENOVATIONS MAY EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE FACILITY, BUT THEY DO NOT ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR IN THE FUTURE FOR ROOFS, HVAC SYSTEMS, ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS, AND OTHER MAJOR COMPONENTS. SO THESE OUR FINANCIAL INVESTMENTS THAT DON'T STOP ONCE THE BUILDING OPENS. THESE CREATE ONGOING EXPENSES FOR THE CITY. SO AS WE ARE FINALIZING OUR ASSUMPTIONS AND FINISHING OUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 2020 627 BUDGET, WE ALSO WANTED TO ACCOUNT FOR SOME OF THE RISKS AND SENSITIVITIES INVOLVED ON THE REVENUE SIDE. AGAIN, THIS INCLUDES OUR SALES TAX VOLATILITY, FLUCTUATING ROI, YEAR TO YEAR CHANGES IN OUR BUSINESS, PERSONAL PROPERTY.

AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN A MOMENT. AND THEN SLOWER DEVELOPMENT AFFECTING PERMITS AND FEES. ON THE COST SIDE, HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS CONTINUE TO RISE. PUBLIC SAFETY PAY PRESSURES ARE INCREASING. AND THEN WE'VE GOT INCREASES IN FUEL, CHEMICALS, UTILITIES AND CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. WE ALSO CONTINUE TO SEE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES THAT CONTINUE TO AFFECT BOTH COST AND LEAD TIMES. THEN WE HAVE THOSE EXTERNAL FACTORS THAT ADD ANOTHER LAYER OF UNCERTAINTY INTO THE PROCESS. LEGISLATIVE AND REGULATORY CHANGES CAN AFFECT OUR REVENUE AUTHORITY AND REQUIRE NEW INVESTMENT. UTILITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS CAN CREATE SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL NEEDS AND THEN LABOR SHORTAGES. AND AGAIN, SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES CAN CONTINUE TO AFFECT OUR OPERATIONS. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE RISKS AND LOOK AT THESE SENSITIVITIES, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE CONSERVATIVE IN OUR FORECASTING, THAT WE HAVE STRONG RESERVES AND THAT WE'RE FLEXIBLE IN HOW WE ALLOCATE OUR RESOURCES. SO I MENTIONED LEGISLATIVE IMPACTS. ONE OF THOSE IMPACTS THIS YEAR IS HOUSE BILL NINE. IT IMMEDIATELY REDUCES REVENUES BY INCREASING THE EXEMPTION FOR BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY, EFFECTIVE JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. THAT EXEMPTION WENT FROM 2500 TO $125,000. THAT OCCURRED. WHILE A GENERAL FUND IS ALREADY MANAGING VOLATILE REVENUES, RISING OPERATION COSTS, WORKFORCE PRESSURES, AND THEN THOSE EXTERNAL ECONOMIC AND

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BECAUSE EACH OF THESE PRIORITIES REQUIRES CONSISTENT PLANNING AND INVESTMENT. SO CERTAIN DECISIONS HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON OUR DEVELOPMENT OF THE 2627 BUDGET.

AND YOU KNOW THAT THOSE ARE INSTANCES WHERE EARLY DIRECTION CAN MAKE THE PROCESS MORE STRATEGIC. SO WORKFORCE STRATEGIES ARE REALLY OUR MOST CRITICAL. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT COMPENSATION, STAFFING LEVELS AND RECRUITMENT DECISIONS, THESE ALL REQUIRE LONG LEAD TIMES AND HOW WE PREPARE PARTICULARLY FOR POLICE AND FIRE AS THEY PLAN FOR CONTINUED GROWTH. STREETS AND FACILITIES MAINTENANCE ALSO NEEDS EARLY GUIDANCE. BACKLOG GROWS WHEN INVESTMENTS DON'T KEEP THE SAME PACE. SO TO LEVEL AND STRUCTURE OF FUNDING WILL DIRECTLY AFFECT OUR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGETING. AND THEN CAPITAL TIMING IS ANOTHER MAJOR LEVEL LEVER. DECISIONS ABOUT BOND ISSUANCE AND WHEN TO ADVANCE MAJOR PROJECTS AFFECTS BOTH OUR DEBT SERVICE AND OUR LONG TERM OPERATING COSTS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE HAVE THOSE COMMUNITY FACING SERVICES THAT SOMETIMES CAN FACE THOSE CONSTRAINTS FIRST. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT GUIDANCE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME SOME DECISION POINTS AND DISCUSSIONS AT THE END OF THIS CONVERSATION, IT'S REALLY ABOUT ASSESSING TRADEOFFS, MODELING DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND BRINGING THAT PROPOSED BUDGET. SO WE HAD SEVERAL PRIORITIES AND DIRECTIVES WHEN WE KICKED OFF THE BUDGET THIS YEAR. FIRST WAS AROUND INVESTING IN OUR TALENT AND OUR WORKFORCE, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT STABILITY IS ESSENTIAL IN IN OUR WORKFORCE AND IN THOSE THAT ARE PROVIDING THE SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITY EVERY DAY. DEPARTMENTS WERE ALSO TASKED WITH COMPLETING WORKFORCE PLANNING STUDIES, AND THAT REALLY PROVIDED A CLEARER DATA DRIVEN VIEW OF THEIR STAFFING NEEDS. WE ARE ALSO SUPPORTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S MEET AND CONFER AND FOCUSING ON SUSTAINABILITY, AND THEN BALANCING COMPETITIVE COMPENSATION WITH LONG TERM FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. NEXT, WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR SERVICE LEVEL. SO THE DIRECTIVE THIS YEAR WAS REALLY TO MAINTAIN THOSE CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS, WHICH ALSO MEANT THAT WITH FEW EXCEPTIONS THAT WE DID NOT CONSIDER SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS AS PART OF THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. SO REALLY, WITH ALL OF THESE DIRECTIVES, IT'S REALLY TO GET US TO FOCUS ON PEOPLE PLANNING, SUSTAINABILITY, RELIABLE SERVICES, AND AGAIN, THE FISCAL DISCIPLINE THAT WE NEED. ALL RIGHT. SO AT THIS POINT, THE MAJOR DRIVERS SHOULD BE CLEAR.

I KNOW I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVERS AND THE PRESSURES. REVENUES REMAIN SENSITIVE TO OUR ECONOMIC CONDITIONS. SERVICE DEMAND CONTINUES TO INCREASE, WORKFORCE COSTS ARE RISING AND OPERATING COSTS REMAIN ELEVATED. SO THOSE PRESSURES ARE SHAPING THE DECISIONS ABOUT OUR WORKFORCE, PUBLIC SAFETY, INFRASTRUCTURE AND COMMUNITY PROGRAMS, AND HOW WE ALLOCATE OUR LIMITED RESOURCES IN THIS NEXT YEAR. I ALWAYS SAY I WOULD

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WAS THE DEPARTMENTS >> WERE SEEKING TO ACHIEVE WHAT THEIR BUDGET, BUDGET REQUESTS, WHERE THEY WERE NEEDING THOSE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND WHERE THEY WERE FEELING CONSTRAINTS.

SO THIS IS IT IN DETAIL. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT JULY 22ND, THAT IS THE DATE THAT WE WERE TO RECEIVE OUR CERTIFIED VALUES. DCAD DID INFORM US THAT THIS YEAR WE WILL RECEIVE ESTIMATED VALUES INSTEAD, BECAUSE OF THE HIGH VOLUME OF PROTESTS. WE DID EXPERIENCE THIS BACK IN 2022.

MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, I THINK EITHER I WASN'T HERE YET OR TOO NEW TO THE ORGANIZATION, BUT IT WAS SEVERAL, SEVERAL MONTHS AND PERHAPS EVEN INTO EARLY THE NEXT YEAR BEFORE WE RECEIVED THOSE VALUES. SO CERTIFIED ESTIMATES DON'T LEGALLY OR THEY ARE SEEN AS LEGALLY SUFFICIENT FOR US TO GO THROUGH THE TRUTH AND TAXATION CALCULATION. BUT IT DOES CREATE MORE UNCERTAINTY IN BOTH THE BUDGET AND REVENUE FORECAST. WITHOUT HAVING THOSE CERTIFIED VALUES IN PLACE.

>> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. SO I WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE AND LOOK AT THE STRATEGIC APPROACHES THAT WE USED IN DEVELOPING THE 2020 627 BUDGET. WE AGAIN USED ZERO BASED BUDGETING, ASKING DEPARTMENTS TO JUSTIFY PROGRAMS AND EXPENSES FROM THE GROUND UP.

HAD THAT WORKFORCE PLANNING STUDY. THIS WAS THE FIRST YEAR FOR THAT STUDY, AGAIN GIVING US A DATA DRIVEN VIEW OF CURRENT STAFFING CAPACITY AND THE LONG TERM NEEDS OF OUR DEPARTMENTS.

COLLABORATIVE BUDGET MEETINGS, TWO MONTHS OF THEM, BUT REALLY HELPED US FOCUS IN ON EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT'S OPERATIONAL NEEDS. AND THEN THIS YEAR, WE AGAIN HAD THE BUDGET TASK FORCE, WHICH WAS TASKED WITH ANALYZING PROGRAMS, EXPENDITURES, EFFICIENCY OPPORTUNITIES, COST SAVING OPPORTUNITIES, AND POTENTIAL NEW REVENUES IN ORDER FOR US TO WORK TOWARDS BRINGING THE BUDGET INTO BALANCE. SO WE HAD A COUPLE OF OTHER APPROACHES THAT WE HAD THIS YEAR THAT GO BEYOND THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL, THE OFFICE OF STRATEGY, BUDGET AND PERFORMANCE WAS DEVELOPED, BRINGING STRATEGY, DATA, PERFORMANCE AND FINANCIAL PLANNING TOGETHER INTO ONE TEAM. WE ARE ALSO EXPANDING OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND TRANSPARENCY. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN YESTERDAY ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THE FIRST OF A FIVE PART VIDEO SERIES. THERE, ONE MINUTE VIDEOS, AND THEY PROVIDE VIEWERS INSIGHT INTO THE CITY'S BUDGET. IT'S GREAT WORK. SO DEFINITELY WANT TO RECOGNIZE BILLY MATTHEWS, STEVE FORSETH AND OUR ACTOR DANIEL PARRISH, WHO DID AN AMAZING JOB. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

THERE'LL BE ONE RELEASED EACH WEEK. WITH THAT, WE ALSO LAUNCHED A PLATFORM. SOUNDS FANCY, REALLY SIMPLE THOUGH, BUT WANTED TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT THEIR QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE THEIR INPUT ON THE BUDGET THAT IS OUT THERE NOW.

AND AGAIN THIS YEAR, WE ARE GOING TO BE LAUNCHING THE BUDGET SIMULATOR. WE'RE ENHANCING THAT WITH SOME ADDITIONAL SURVEY QUESTIONS, A LITTLE BIT MORE INTERACTION. SO THAT'S ANOTHER MEANS FOR US TO GET THAT COMMUNITY INPUT. AND WE ARE ALSO EXPLORING ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY BASED, NEIGHBORHOOD BASED ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. ANOTHER THING IS THE INNOVATION GRANT PROGRAM. SO WE LAUNCHED THAT JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND IT GIVES THE EMPLOYEES ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION THE OPPORTUNITY TO TEST OUT THEIR INNOVATIVE IDEAS THAT IMPROVE OPERATIONS AND SERVICE DELIVERY.

SO FINALISTS ARE GOING TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PITCH THEIR IDEA TO CITY MANAGEMENT, AND COULD BE AWARDED UP TO $25,000 TO PILOT THOSE PROJECTS. AND AGAIN, YOU MIGHT SAY, IN A

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SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. IT'S IT'S SAD WHEN I GIVE PEOPLE DIRECTIONS. IT REALLY IS. SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE REVENUES. SO BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY GOING TO BE RECEIVING ESTIMATED VALUES. WE WANT TO BE VERY CONSERVATIVE IN HOW WE ARE BUDGETING THAT AT THIS POINT.

SO WE ARE BUDGETING PROPERTY TAXES FOR EXISTING TO REMAIN FLAT. AND THEN AT THIS POINT, DCAD IS REPORTING THAT WE HAVE ABOUT 600 601 MILLION OF. IN NEW VALUES. SO WE ARE INCLUDING AN ADDITIONAL 2 MILLION FOR THAT NEW VALUE. THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO CALCULATING. WE GO TO A HALF A DAY OF CLASS. WE GET THIS BOOK RIGHT. SO THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO ALL OF THIS. THIS IS OUR BEST ESTIMATE FOR FOR WHAT THAT NUMBER WILL LOOK LIKE. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET VALUES FROM DCAD AND CONTINUE TO, TO LOOK INTO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THIS AND MAKE REVISIONS AS WE NEED. WE ARE BUDGETING OUR FRANCHISE FEES AND OUR EYES A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN LAST YEAR, BUT THAT'S BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE IMPACTS ON THAT PARTICULAR SOURCE OF REVENUE. LOOKING AT EXPENDITURES, I KNOW I SAID EARLIER THAT WE DID NOT PROVIDE COST OF LIVING OR MERIT IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH THE CAPACITY THAT WE HAVE AND WITH PARTICULARLY SOME OF THE SALARY SAVINGS THAT WE HAVE. SO IN THE CURRENT YEAR, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THAT ESTIMATED COLUMN, WE ARE PROPOSING A ONE TIME COLA THAT WOULD PROVIDE 1500 IN A ONE TIME PAYMENT TO FULL TIME EMPLOYEES AND 750 FOR PART TIME. LOOKING AT EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WINDOW OF TIME, I BELIEVE IT'S AT SIX MONTHS, AND THAT THAT WOULD BE IN SEPTEMBER. WHEN WE GO THROUGH AGAIN, THE PRELIMINARY LINE, WE GET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM AND CHANGE IN IN FUND BALANCE. WE ARE NOT AT A BALANCED BUDGET YET. SO WE WANT TO TALK YOU THROUGH SOME OPPORTUNITIES IN ORDER TO BALANCE THE BUDGET. AGAIN, I MENTIONED THAT TASK FORCE, THE TASK FORCE IDENTIFIED $3.5 MILLION IN SAVINGS. THE LIST IS FAIRLY EXTENSIVE, BUT THE BIGGEST COMPONENTS OF THAT ARE RIGHT SIZING OUR OVERTIME. IT IS IN TRAVEL AND TRAINING. AND EVEN THOUGH WE SAY THAT EMPLOYEE DEVELOPMENT IS VERY IMPORTANT, IT STILL PROVIDES OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND THAT IS STILL INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.

AND THEN THERE WERE SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS IN OUR TRANSFERS. WE ARE LOOKING AT SUSTAINABLE APPROACHES IN TERMS OF CONSUMABLE SUPPLIES ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION. THAT WAS PART OF IT. AND THEN LOOKING AT RIGHTSIZING, SOME OF THE SUB SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS THAT WE USE. SO THAT ADDS UP TO THAT 3.5 BASED ON SALARY SAVINGS THAT WE SEE YEAR OVER YEAR. WE ARE PROPOSING THAT WE BUDGET SALARIES AT 98% RATHER THAN 100%. SO THAT EQUATES TO ROUGHLY $3.2 MILLION. WITH THAT, WE WOULD ALSO LIKE IN THIS NEXT YEAR TO PROVIDE A 2% MERIT.

THAT INCLUDES OUR CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS GENERAL, GENERAL GOVERNMENT. THAT WOULD BE IN EFFECT IN JANUARY OF 2027. THAT COMES IN AT ROUGHLY $1.9 MILLION. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR

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THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS, A LOT OF CALCULATIONS THAT HAPPEN BEHIND THE SCENE, AND THAT WILL CHANGE THAT NUMBER. AND THEN WE'LL THEN KNOW WHERE WE STAND IN TERMS OF OF ANY REMAINING

BALANCES. >> MAYOR PRO TEM. >> QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBERS.

>> SORRY. A QUICK QUESTION HERE ABOUT THE NUMBERS. AND IT'S I THINK PROBABLY BECAUSE I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. FRANCHISE FEES AND ROI. COULD YOU HELP EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? I'M GOING TO JUST TALK OUT LOUD BECAUSE I'M GOING TO CONFUSE MYSELF OTHERWISE. AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN INTERPRET THE QUESTION. SO IT SHOWS 2627 WILL BE 34 MILLION. THE BUDGET FOR 2526 WAS 32 MILLION. IT SHOWS THE ESTIMATE WAS ABOUT 8 MILLION LESS. AND SO I GUESS WHAT I'M

WONDERING IS. WHERE WE EXPECT THE 30% INCREASE TO COME FROM. >> SO THIS IS THIS IS THIS IS PART OF OUR ROI. SO OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENTS. AND THAT NUMBER IS BASED ON WHAT WE ARE SEEING FROM OUR ELECTRIC UTILITY. THEY PREPARE A PROFORMA. SO AGAIN KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON WITHIN THEIR ENVIRONMENT AND WITH WHAT THEY'RE SEEING, THEY DO FEEL CONFIDENT IN, IN THIS NUMBER.

IT, IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN VOLATILE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. BUT BASED ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITHIN THAT UTILITY, THEY DO FEEL CONFIDENT IN THAT NUMBER GOING INTO THIS

NEXT YEAR. >> OKAY. YEAH, I SORT OF HAD THE SAME QUESTION. AND I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT HISTORICALLY IS ALSO, LET ME JUST SAY THIS, THE BUDGETING IN THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT, AS WE CAN SEE FROM THIS SLIDE, IS HYPERCRITICAL BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL FORECASTS IN THE BUDGET OVER THE LAST 4 OR 5 YEARS, WHAT THE BUDGET WAS AND WHAT THE ACTUAL WAS FOR UTILITIES, SOMETIME THERE'S A FAIRLY DECENT DISCREPANCY AND IT'S USUALLY LOWER. NOW IN THE YEARS OF WINTER STORM URI AND A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. SO THAT THAT TO ME IS A MAJOR POTENTIAL ISSUE. AND I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT WE'VE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD CONTEXT OF HOW THAT FORECASTING HAS GONE, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO MISS THAT. YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO MISS IT BY $8 MILLION. SO I JUST WANT TO REALLY EMPHASIZE TO MANAGEMENT AND TO UTILITY DEPARTMENT. TAKE A LOOK AT THE OLD FORECASTS AND SEE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THERE'S A 20 TO 30% DIFFERENCE WHEN WE BUDGET OFF OF THEIR BUDGET WITH THEY MISS THEIR BUDGET. IT DOESN'T REALLY. I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST OFFSET BY LOWER EXPENSES, LOWER REVENUE HERE. WE BUDGETED OFF OF THOSE ANTICIPATED REVENUE. SO THIS IS VERY CRITICAL THAT WE GET THAT PRETTY PRETTY CLOSE. SO I AGREE WITH I SEE THE YOUR QUESTION. AND I WAS GOING TO HAVE THE

SAME QUESTION. MAYOR PRO TEM OH. >> ONE THING I GUESS IF IT'S IF IT'S POSSIBLE, WHEN WE HAVE OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP, I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE. MAYBE MORE IN DEPTH INFORMATION ON THAT AND WHY WE FEEL, WHICH I TRUST IT, BUT WHY WE FEEL MORE. I TRUST THAT WE WERE CONFIDENT LAST YEAR, AND I TRUST THAT WE'RE CONFIDENT THIS YEAR. I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW. OUR PREDICTIONS OR TOOLS THAT WE'RE USING HAVE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT TO MAYBE BECOME A LITTLE BIT

MORE ACCURATE. IS THAT DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> YES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE UTILITY BUDGET DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK, SO YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE MORE IN DEPTH INTO THIS CALCULATION. AND THEN AS WELL AS HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS IN THE BUDGET

WORKSHOP. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. >> YEAH, AND I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE POINT BECAUSE I ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ROI, BUT BASICALLY MY, MY, MY THINKING WAS, I THINK IT WAS 15.1 MILLION IN 2023. I COULD BE WRONG. BUT THEN IT DROPPED OF JUST THE ELECTRIC ROI THAT WAS TRANSFERRED TO GENERAL FUND. AND I'M WONDERING WITH LIKE THIS DOWNWARD TREND, MINE WAS GOING TO BE LIKE, WHAT FISCAL KIND OF GUARDRAILS CAN WE KIND

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>> I GUESS ONE QUESTION YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE THE ANSWER AND WE'LL HEAR FOR SURE NEXT WEEK, BUT IN THIS FRANCHISE FEE AND ROI CALCULATION, IS THAT ALSO INCLUDING ANY ANTICIPATED REVENUE FROM THE DATA CENTER? IN OTHER WORDS, IS THAT FORECASTING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF UTILITY GENERATION? WE WILL ANSWER THAT QUESTION NEXT WEEK. SO THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE

QUESTIONS COMING NEXT WEEK. YEAH, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. >> OKAY.

>> YES. COUNCILMEMBER. RUMOHR. >> RUMOHR YES, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE CONSERVATIVE BUDGETING. I'M ALWAYS APPRECIATIVE OF THAT, INCLUDING US PLANNING FOR A 0% INCREASE BECAUSE I KNOW THINGS ARE SORT OF FLATTENING OUT OR EVEN GOING DOWN A LITTLE BIT RIGHT NOW. SO I APPRECIATE THAT INCLUSION IS THAT I ASKED THIS LAST YEAR, IS THE SALES TAX FORECAST CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH? BECAUSE I KNOW I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR IT WAS FOUR POINT SOMETHING IS WHAT IT CAME OUT TO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S BEEN TRENDING THIS YEAR.

>> IT IS IT IS TRENDING A LITTLE BIT ABOVE BUDGET, WHICH MEANS IT IS TRENDING EVEN MORE SO OVER THE PRIOR YEAR. SO WE FEEL LIKE, YES, IT IS CONSERVATIVE, BUT WE ALSO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT ONE EVERY SINGLE MONTH, EVERY MONTH. AND THEN WE PROJECT OUT FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR. BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES WE WATCH. WE WATCH IT ALL VERY CLOSELY, BUT THAT'S

ONE THAT WE PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO. >> AND I KNOW THAT WE FORECASTED HIGH 4% OR SOMETHING FOR, FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR. SO WE'RE SEEING IT TREND ABOVE OUR FORECAST FROM THIS FOR THIS CURRENT BUDGET YEAR. YES. DO YOU KNOW PERCENTAGE?

>> I THINK I JUST SAW THAT A WEEK AGO. >> YOU CAN.

>> GIVE ME. >> A RANGE TO ABOVE 5%. >> BELOW 5%. IT'S IT'S, WE'RE,

WE'RE, WE'RE WITHIN ONE. WE'RE WITHIN 1%. >> RIGHT? SO THAT MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS BECAUSE IT, THE PAST TWO YEARS HAS BEEN UNDER 5%. AND FOR US TO FORECAST 5% MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS IN TERMS OF THAT BEING CONSERVATIVE. LIKE IT'S NOT

OPTIMISTIC, BUT. >> IN THAT PERCENT IS IN THAT THAT SMALL INCREMENT IS IN ADDITION TO THE 5% OR THE PERCENT THAT WE BUDGETED LAST YEAR. SO IT'S THAT PERCENT PLUS

PLUS, WE'RE ABOVE. >> OUR BUDGET. SO LIKE 8% OR SOMETHING. SEVEN.

>> I'LL GET THE NUMBER. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. AND TO CLARIFY, THE NO ALLOCATE OR WE'RE ASSUMING NO ALLOCATION FOR CATALYST STREET SUSTAINABILITY THAT IS RELATED TO THE DATA CENTER, NOT WE'RE ASSUMING WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET SOME OF THE REVENUES ANTICIPATED THIS FISCAL YEAR IS THE ASSUMPTION WE'RE MAKING WITH THIS.

>> WE ARE ASSUMING WE ARE ASSUMING THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE THE FUNDS TO TRANSFER TO THOSE

AS PART OF THE BUDGET. >> OKAY, JUST TWO MORE, I THINK. DO YOU RECALL WHAT OUR FUND BALANCE PERCENTAGE EXPECTATION FORECAST WAS LAST YEAR FOR 2627? SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT IT GOING BELOW OUR BOTTOM OF OUR TARGET FOR FUND BALANCE. I DON'T RECALL WHAT WE WERE HOPING. I THOUGHT WE WERE HOPING TO RECOVER OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

>> I'M LOOKING AT THAT TO SEE IF IF HE RECALLS THAT, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.

>> AND THEN, OH, AND I'M VERY EXCITED FOR THE 2% MERIT. I'M. STAFF REALLY NEED THAT. IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT TOO LONG FOR NO COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT OF ANY KIND. SO. OR WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT IS, BUT SOMETHING TO HELP THEM OUT BECAUSE COSTS ARE GOING UP AND THEIR SALARIES GENERALLY ARE NOT GOING UP. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A PAY CUT FOR STAFF. SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE 2%. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. UNLESS SHE'S GOT A.

20% 20 SALES TAX. >> OH NO. SORRY SORRY I MOVED ON.

>> MY BRAIN. >> FOR THE FOR THE ENDING PERCENT.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >> ONE LAST JUST QUESTION OF CLARIFICATION. ON THE 0% INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAX. HAVE WE DONE? IS THAT INCLUDED IN THIS ASSUMPTION OR IN WHAT IT WOULD BE THIS EXEMPTION THAT IS APPLIED TO THE BUSINESS, PERSONAL TAXES, BUSINESS PROPERTY, THE PERSONAL PROPERTY. HAVE WE DONE AN ANALYSIS OF WHEN WE APPLY THAT IF IF THE EXEMPTION IS GOING TO 125,000 WHEN IT WAS, WHAT, 1200 OR I FORGOT WHAT YOU SAID 500, 2500, WHAT IS THE IMPACT? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT MANY ACCOUNTS AND IT MIGHT NOT BE THAT MUCH VALUE, BUT WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THAT? AND IF THAT'S SOMEWHERE IN THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE IF WE'RE USING LAST YEAR'S TAX NUMBER, THAT MEANS IT WOULD NOT HAVE THOSE EXEMPTIONS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TAKING PLACE AT THAT TIME.

THEY'RE THEY'RE TAKING PLACE AT THIS. I WILL SAY THIS THOUGH, OVERALL, I MEAN, THIS I, WELL, I LOOK AT 2020, THE LAST ONE WHERE WE THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A, I THINK IT WAS

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THEN WE NEED TO WE NEED TO KNOW THAT. SO YES. >> MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

MATT HAMILTON CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION IN REGARD TO HB NINE AND THE THE IMPACT. SO WHEN THIS WAS PROPOSED IN THE LEGISLATURE LAST YEAR, WE DID DO AN ANALYSIS. AND WHAT WE CONCLUDED IS THAT IT WOULD BE AN IMPACT OF ABOUT $572,000 ON THE O AND M SIDE OF THE GENERAL FUND, BUT ALSO HAVE AN IMPACT OF 428,000 ON THE INS THE DEBT

SERVICE SIDE. SO IN TOTAL IT'S ABOUT $900,000. >> OKAY, GREAT. GREAT INFORMATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS SO FAR? OKAY. YEAH, WE MOVE ON. YEAH. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT STEPS. YOU'LL BE SEEING US NEXT WEEK FOR THOSE UTILITY BUDGETS AND RATES. ONE ADDITION IS WE ARE GOING TO MEET WITH YOU ON THE CAPITAL PROJECTS ON AUGUST THE 4TH RETREAT, AUGUST 8TH. ANY FOLLOW UPS WILL BE ON AUGUST THE 18TH. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR BUDGET AND TAX RATE HEARING ON THE 15TH OF SEPTEMBER AND ADOPTION ON THE 22ND, I WOULD SAY. ARE THERE

ANY MORE QUESTIONS? >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS? MADAM CITY MANAGER, DO YOU HAVE ANY

COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR. >> I JUST APPRECIATE AMY AND HER TEAM AND MATT AND HIS TEAM.

THEY'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB, ESPECIALLY GIVEN SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE HAD THIS YEAR. I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THEIR WORK AND ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, BECAUSE ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS SAT ON THE BUDGET TASK FORCE, AND THEY WORKED THROUGH A LOT OF CHALLENGES WITH EACH OTHER AND WHAT THEY COULD CUT AND WHAT WHAT THEY WANTED TO RECOMMEND.

AND, AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF THEIR WORK. >> FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. THANK

YOU. OH, YES. I'M SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. YES. >> THE RETREAT, AUGUST 8TH. IS

THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY

[C. ID 26-0968 Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the 2023 Bond Program. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]]

STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM. >> ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNCIL SETH GARCIA, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PROJECTS. TODAY I'M GOING TO DO A JOINT PRESENTATION WITH MR. MATT HAMILTON, OUR CFO, TO TALK ABOUT THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM. SO A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND ON THE 23 PROGRAM. SO IN APRIL OF 2023, CITY COUNCIL SENT FORWARD A SPECIAL CITIZENS BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT WAS COMPRISED OF ROUGHLY 40 RESIDENTS TO EVALUATE SOME PROPOSED PROJECTS AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE 2023 BOND ELECTION. SO THAT COMMITTEE MET A TOTAL OF SEVEN TIMES OVER THE SUMMER AND PROVIDED THE PROJECTS SHOWN IN THE TABLE BELOW. AND ON THAT RIGHT HAND COLUMN. WE ALSO HAVE THE PERCENT IN SUPPORT FROM THE THE CITIZEN COMMITTEE THAT WENT FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL. SO ULTIMATELY, THAT COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED A GRAND TOTAL OF 287 MILLION OR SO IN THOSE PROJECTS LISTED THERE IN THE TABLE. SO IN AUGUST OF 2023, COUNCIL MET A COUPLE DIFFERENT TIMES TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSED BOND PROGRAM. ULTIMATELY, COUNCIL DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSED RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITIZEN COMMITTEE WITH TWO MINOR MODIFICATIONS. THOSE ARE LISTED THERE AT THE BOTTOM. SO THE FIRST WAS THEY INCREASED THE

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SO ULTIMATELY, COUNCIL RAISED THAT BACK TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND PUT THAT ON THE BALLOT FOR A NEW SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY AT A NEW LOCATION. THE SECOND INCREASE WAS TO THE RUDDELL MINGO ROADWAY AND QUIET ZONE PROJECT. THE CITIZEN COMMITTEE ADVISED COUNCIL THAT THEY DID NOT WANT TO SEE RIDDELL BETWEEN US 380 AND MINGO RECONSTRUCTED, COUNCIL FELT IT NEEDED TO BE INCLUDED WITH THAT PROJECT, WITH THE PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS, SO THAT WAS ULTIMATELY ADDED BACK IN TO THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. SO THAT RAISED THE TOTAL BOND PROGRAM TO JUST OVER $309 MILLION. THAT WENT TO VOTERS. SO ON NOVEMBER 7TH, WE HELD THE ELECTION. AND ULTIMATELY PROPOSITIONS A THROUGH G WERE PASSED FOR A TOTAL OF 291 MILLION. THE ONLY PROPOSITION THAT FAILED WAS PROPOSITION H, WHICH WAS CITY HALL WEST BY JUST A VERY NARROW MARGIN OF LESS THAN 1.5% JUST FOR COUNCIL'S INFORMATION. IF A BOND PROPOSITION FAILS, YOU CANNOT ISSUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION FOR UP TO THREE YEARS ON THAT PROJECT. SO THAT WILL EXPIRE IN NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR OF 2026. SO THIS IS A CURRENT LOOK AT OUR BOND ISSUANCE TIMELINE. AS YOU CAN SEE WE'RE THERE IN THAT FOURTH COLUMN FY 2627. SO WITH THE PROPOSED PROGRAM, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT ISSUING ABOUT $70 MILLION FOR THE PROGRAM. I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ON THE BOTTOM THERE, AND MATT'S GOING TO GO WAY FURTHER IN DETAIL ON THIS, THAT THE ESTIMATED TAX RATE INCREASE FOR THE ENTIRE 2023 PROGRAM WAS ROUGHLY 5.7 CENTS FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROGRAM. SO HE WILL DIVE MORE INTO THAT WHEN WE GET INTO THE TAX RATE. SO FOR SOME DOWN AND DIRTY QUICK UPDATES ON THE PROJECTS, PROPOSITION A WAS OUR STREETS PROJECT. SO THIS IS THE MINGO RIDDLE QUIET ZONE. CURRENTLY WE'RE AT 90% DESIGN ON THIS. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH COORDINATION AND AGREEMENTS WITH UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD. WE'VE STARTED OUR RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION PROCESS FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY. WE NEED TO BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE ARE ANTICIPATING SOME FRANCHISE UTILITY RELOCATIONS TO BEGIN AS SOON AS Q3 OF 2026. AND ONCE WE'VE CLEARED ALL THE HURDLES WITH THE RAILROAD, WITH FRANCHISE UTILITY RELOCATIONS AND ALL THE OTHER PIECES, WE'RE

ANTICIPATING A TWO YEAR CONSTRUCTION DURATION. >> JUST REAL QUICK QUESTION.

YES, I UNDERSTAND. SO THIS WILL MEAN THAT WHEN THIS IS DONE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE QUIET ZONES IN THOSE SPOTS THAT ARE MARKED ON THAT MAP. IS THAT QUIET ZONE WORK OR IS THAT IS

THAT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THOSE FOR A DECADE OR SO? >> YES. SO THAT IS CORRECT. SO ULTIMATELY, WITH THE NEW RUDEL CROSSING THAT IS SHOWN IN THE ALIGNMENT IN ORANGE HERE, WE WILL HAVE A QUIET ZONE THERE. THE LOCATIONS OF WILLIS AND PERTAIN WILL CLOSE TO INSTALL THE NEW QUIET ZONE. AND SO ULTIMATELY AT THE THREE RED OR FOUR RED LOCATIONS AND THE ONE

ORANGE LOCATION, WE WILL HAVE A QUIET ZONE. >> AT THE END OF THIS THIS CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, COUNCILMEMBER.

>> FORGIVE ME. AND WILLIS AND PERTAIN WILL REMAIN CLOSED. I MEAN FOREVER.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY. >> AND SO TO BUILD THE NEW RUDEL CROSSING, WE HAVE TO GIVE UP TWO LOCATIONS TO BUILD THE NEW ONE. SO THOSE WILL BE THE TWO THAT CLOSE. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO PROPOSITION B IS OUR DRAINAGE PROJECT. SO THE FIRST ONE IS OUR OAKLAND DRAINAGE AND UPSTREAM DETENTION. SO AGAIN WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 90% DESIGN WITH THIS ONE. IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR, WE DID ACQUIRE THE POND TRACK THAT WE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THE DETENTION POND. AND JUST FOR LOCATION, THIS IS RIGHT BEHIND THE MOVIE TAVERN OFF OF HINKLE AND US 380 AND THE KROGER SHOPPING CENTER AREA. SO WE DO HAVE THAT PARCEL IN HAND. WE ARE WORKING ON SOME FRANCHISE UTILITY COORDINATION. WE HAVE A LARGE ATMOS PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN ON OAKLAND STREET THAT YOU'LL SEE GO BEFORE THIS ONE. AND AGAIN, ONCE WE CLEAR ALL THOSE HURDLES WITH OUR FRANCHISE UTILITIES, JUST DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE BOXES WE'RE PUTTING DOWN THE ROADWAY, WE ARE EXPECTING A TWO YEAR CONSTRUCTION DURATION. THE SECOND DRAINAGE PROJECT IS OUR PECK FOR PHASES THREE AND FOUR OR PECAN CREEK. WE ARE 100% DESIGN ON THIS ONE. WE ARE NEARING THE END OF OUR RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. WE HAVE ONE PARCEL THAT'S OUTSTANDING AND WITH THAT WE HAVE ONGOING FRANCHISE UTILITY RELOCATIONS HAPPENING. SO ATMOS IS CURRENTLY OUT THERE RELOCATING ALONG MULBERRY AND BERNARD.

ONCE THEY ARE CLEAR AND WE HAVE THE LAST PARCEL IN HAND, WE WILL ADVERTISE FOR BIDS. AND

AGAIN THIS IS A TWO YEAR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. >> WOULD THIS REMOVE THE MAJOR PORTION OF THE DOWNTOWN OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN THAT WE'VE SORT OF BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALL ALONG?

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OR IS THIS JUST PART OF THE PROCESS IN ORDER TO DO THAT? >> SO WHEN WE DID PHASES ONE AND TWO, WE REMOVED A LARGE PORTION THAT WAS SOUTH AND EAST OF ELM STREET. YES. THE SECOND PORTION WILL TAKE A LARGE PIECE THAT IS AGAIN SOUTH OF THE SQUARE, BUT NEAR SYCAMORE, STROUD AND PRAIRIE, ALL OF THOSE PIECES, AND THEN GOING WEST TOWARDS MULBERRY.

>> OKAY. SO THEY'LL BE THEY'LL BE OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN ONCE THIS IS COMPLETED. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT, CORRECT. AND DO WE DO WE GET THE WE SUBMIT FOR THE LETTER OF MAP REVISION

THROUGH FEMA. WE DO. >> OKAY. SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE A CLOSURE ALREADY. WE'LL SUBMIT ONCE THE ONCE WE DO THE AS BUILT SURVEYS, WE'LL PROVIDE THE ACTUAL HYDRAULIC MODELS FOR THE AS BUILT CONDITIONS TO FEMA. THEY'LL GO THROUGH. WE GO THROUGH A NOTIFICATION PROCESS WITH PUBLIC NOTICES TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW IT'S ABOUT A YEAR'S TIMELINE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT. AND THEN WE WILL GET OUR FINAL LETTER OF MAP REVISION.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU. >> YOU BET. OKAY, SO PROPOSITION C WAS OUR PARKS PROJECTS. SO FOR TRAILS WE HAVE SEVERAL THAT ARE UNDER DESIGN CURRENTLY, THOSE BEING HICKORY CREEK TRAIL AND PECAN CREEK TRAIL. WE HAVE SEVERAL UNDER CONSTRUCTION VILLAGES OF CARMEL, BOWLING GREEN PARK AND BRIARCLIFF CLIFF PARK. EXCUSE ME. WE HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT ARE COMPLETED. THOSE ARE JOE STYLES PARK, NORTH LAKES DOG PARK AND THE PARK. AND WE STILL HAVE 11 MILLION THAT'S REMAINING TO BE ISSUED IN THREE FUTURE ISSUANCES. OUR INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND IS ALSO UNDERWAY. THERE'S A DESIGN CONTRACT THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER NEGOTIATION THAT'S GOING TO BE BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL PARKS WAS AWARDED A $750,000 GRANT FROM TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE. THAT'S GOING TO GO IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT AS WELL. AND THEY ARE ANTICIPATING CONSTRUCTION TO BEGIN IN MID 2027. THE LAST PARKS PROJECT IS OUR WATERWORKS PARK. WE ARE 100% DESIGN COMPLETE. WE ARE WAITING ON PERMITTING UNTIL WE HAVE OUR CONSTRUCTION FUNDING AND WE'RE READY TO GO. AND SO WE ARE AWAITING THAT LAST $12 MILLION TO BEGIN OUR CONSTRUCTION. PROPOSITION D WAS OUR PUBLIC SAFETY. SO THOSE ARE OUR FIRE STATIONS AND ANIMAL SERVICES. CURRENTLY, FIRE STATIONS FIVE AND SIX ARE BOTH UNDER CONSTRUCTION. SO WE'RE DESIGN COMPLETE. WE EXECUTED CONTRACTS BACK IN 2025. STATION FIVE IS A LITTLE BIT BEHIND STATION SIX, JUST DUE TO US HAVING TO SET UP THE TEMPORARY STATION THAT YOU'VE SEEN OUT THERE. WE ARE ON TRACK TO BE COMPLETE IN APRIL OF 2027. FIRE STATION SIX. WE HAVE MADE A TON OF PROGRESS ON. THERE'S BEEN SOME GREAT SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS.

IF YOU'VE SEEN THOSE RECENTLY, WE ARE EXPECTING TO HOPEFULLY HAVE FIREFIGHTERS MOVED OVER BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, WITH SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION BEING THAT NOVEMBER 2026 DATE.

OUR ANIMAL SHELTER, THE LINDA MCNATT ANIMAL SHELTER. WE FINISHED DESIGN. WE BROUGHT A GMP TO COUNCIL IN MAY. THEY HAVE STARTED CONSTRUCTION OUT THERE. WE ARE ANTICIPATING A NOVEMBER 2027 COMPLETION DATE. AND SO SO FAR WE'RE WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE ON TRACK TO BE DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR IN 27. PROPOSITION E WAS OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING STAFF IS WORKING ON SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT'S GOING TO BE BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. THERE HAS BEEN NO FUNDING ISSUANCES YET TO DATE FOR THIS PROPOSITION. SO AGAIN, THIS WILL BE BROUGHT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION LATER ON THIS YEAR. OUR LAST TWO PROPOSITIONS ARE PROPOSITIONS F AND G. THESE ARE OUR ACTIVE ADULT CENTER AND SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY. SO THE ACTIVE ADULT CENTER IS GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTING A NEW ACTIVE ADULT CENTER. ONE OF THE PIECES OF DIRECTION WE'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY IS POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF A CO-LOCATED SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY AND ACTIVE ADULT CENTER OUT OFF OF RYAN ROAD, IN THE PARCEL THAT WAS BUILT OR PROCURED FOR SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY. AGAIN, CURRENTLY, THE FUNDING IS SET TO BE ISSUED THIS YEAR AND OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS AFTER. FOR CONSTRUCTION, THE SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY WOULD BE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW 40,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY. AGAIN, WE DID ACQUIRE THOSE 14.4 ACRES OFF OF RYAN ROAD NEXT TO THE GOOD SAMARITAN VILLAGE JUST SOUTH OF MONTECITO. IF YOU KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT IN OCTOBER OF 24. AND AGAIN, THE FUNDING IS SET TO BE ISSUED THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR, AND THEN CONSTRUCTION FOLLOWING TWO YEARS AFTER. SO NOW I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MATT TO TALK ABOUT

THE TAX RATE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, MATT HAMILTON CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER HERE. TO DIG INTO SOME OF THE NUMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM. AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST START WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY'S DEBT PROFILE. SO THE CITY CURRENTLY BENEFITS FROM A DOUBLE A PLUS DOUBLE A PLUS CREDIT RATING FROM S&P AND FITCH. THIS WAS RECENTLY REAFFIRMED WITHIN THE LAST TWO WEEKS FROM BOTH CREDIT RATING AGENCIES. AND REALLY, THIS IS A REFLECTION OF THE CITY'S STRONG BALANCE SHEET AND OUR ABILITY

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THE INS RATE AND PROPERTY TAXES. >> SO JUST TO CLARIFY. SO THAT LAST REVENUE SUPPORTED DEBT, THAT'S PRIMARILY DEBT ASSOCIATED WITH UTILITIES. IS THAT PRIMARILY IS THAT RIGHT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. SO WHAT THE CITY DOES IS IS THE CITY ISSUES COS RATHER THAN REVENUE BONDS FOR THE UTILITIES IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT HIGHER CREDIT RATING AND LOWER THE BORROWING COSTS FOR THE UTILITIES. NOW, INTERNALLY, ADMINISTRATIVELY, THE UTILITIES MAKE TRANSFERS INTO OUR DEBT SERVICE FUND TO MAKE THESE PAYMENTS. SO THE UTILITIES ARE MAKING THE PAYMENTS, YOU KNOW, ON THEIR OWN. IT'S JUST BEING TRANSFERRED INTERNALLY TO TO DO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO I ALSO WANTED TO PROVIDE JUST AN OVERVIEW OF OUR OF OUR DEBT PROFILE. THIS SLIDE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET. AND THE REASON WAS BECAUSE COUNCIL MEMBER RUMOHR ASKED US TO INCLUDE THE PRIOR TEN YEARS AS WELL TO THE CHART. SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE, STARTING FROM 2016 UP UNTIL THAT CURRENT LINE, THE LIGHT BLUE, IS TOTAL DEBT PAID FROM PROPERTY TAXES. AND THE DARK BLUE IS THE TOTAL DEBT PAID FROM OTHER REVENUES, WHICH ARE PRIMARILY THE UTILITIES. AND THEN GOING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS, FROM THIS POINT THROUGH 2056, WHAT THAT DEBT PROFILE LOOKS LIKE EACH YEAR.

SO OUR TOTAL OUTSTANDING DEBT THAT IS SUPPORTED EITHER BY PROPERTY TAXES OR BY THE UTILITIES. AND SO I DO WANT TO NOTE THIS PROFILE IS NOT UNIQUE TO DENTON, FRISCO, GARLAND OTHER METROPLEX CITIES HAVE A VERY SIMILAR PROFILE. THOSE PROFILES ARE ACTUALLY AVAILABLE ONLINE THROUGH THE STATE. AND YOU CAN SEE A VERY SIMILAR PATH. AND WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE IS THAT THERE WAS A STEADY INCREASE. AND THEN ABOUT IN 2025, YOU SEE, YOU SEE IT JUMP UP QUITE A BIT.

AND REALLY THAT'S DRIVEN BY TWO FACTORS. ONE IS GROWTH ACROSS THE METROPLEX AS WELL AS A LOW INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT. AND SO WHEN INTEREST RATES DROPPED DURING COVID, THERE WAS A LOT OF ENTITIES, DENTON INCLUDED, WHO TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE VERY LOW INTEREST RATES. THAT DEBT SERVICE DOESN'T HIT UNTIL UNTIL THAT NEXT YEAR. SO 2223 GOING INTO 2425, THAT'S REALLY WHEN YOU START TO SEE THE THE DEBT INCREASE FOR DENTON SPECIFICALLY, THAT INCREASE IS ASSOCIATED WITH A COUPLE THINGS. ONE IS GOING INTO. 25 WE HAD THE VERY LAST ISSUANCE OF THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM. WE ALSO HAD THE FIRST ISSUANCE OF THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM. AND WE ALSO HAD A MEANINGFUL AMOUNT OF CEOS, WHICH WERE ASSOCIATED WITH OUR FACILITY CONDITION, ASSESSMENT AND DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REPAIRING CITY FACILITIES AS WELL AS STREETS. SO JUST KIND OF WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE THIS AND EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT WHAT HAPPENED IN THOSE YEARS WHERE YOU SEE THE DEBT INCREASE. NOW, LOOKING FORWARD, THE FORECAST DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY ADDITIONAL DEBT ISSUANCE. AND SO WHAT HAPPENS JUST NATURALLY WITH NO ADDITIONAL DEBT ISSUANCES, THE DEBT WILL ULTIMATELY MATURE. AND WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE

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>> YES. COUNCIL MEMBER RUMOHR, SORRY. >> THANK YOU. I DID WANT TO THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS CHART. IT WAS PARTLY REQUESTED IT BECAUSE THE CHARTS I'VE SEEN LIKE THIS IN THE PAST ALWAYS SHOW A DOWNWARD TREND, WHICH I THINK JUST MENTALLY, IF WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT IT, OUR BRAINS TELL US, OH, WE'RE WE'RE IMPROVING. RIGHT? SO IT'S JUST GOOD TO SEE THE PAST THAT WE HAVE BEEN GOING UP. AND THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT I THINK IT WAS THE LAST FRIDAY STAFF REPORT. WE GOT OUR RATINGS. AND SO WE HAVE THE DOUBLE A PLUS ONE OF THOSE SUGGESTED. WE'RE BARELY HANGING ON TO THAT. PLUS WE'RE OUT OF I THINK IT'S A RANGE OF 9 TO 10 IS THAT RATING. AND WE'RE AT 9.5. SO WE'RE ALMOST A DOUBLE A AND OUR WEAKEST RATING IN THAT IN THAT OVERALL ASSESSMENT WAS OUR LONG TERM LIABILITY BURDEN. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ROOM IS AWARE OF THAT.

AND WE'RE KEEPING THAT IN MIND AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE CHART FOR ME.

YEAH. >> SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AND TALK ABOUT THE TAX RATE, ONE OF THE THE BIGGEST FACTORS IN DETERMINING THE TAX RATE IS THE TAX BASE. AND SO WHAT WE'VE ILLUSTRATED HERE IS JUST LOOKING BACK OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS IN TERMS OF WHAT THE GROWTH IN THE IN THE TAX BASE HAS LOOKED LIKE. AND SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS BETWEEN 2017 AND ABOUT 2022, ABOUT 7 TO 8% ON AVERAGE. THERE'S A COUPLE YEARS WHERE IT DID INCREASE MORE THAN THAT. NOW BETWEEN 22 AND 23, WE SAW THAT REAL SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE DURING THOSE LATER YEARS OF COVID. BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS FROM 2023 FORWARD, YOU SEE THE RATE OF GROWTH DECLINING SIGNIFICANTLY. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING, AND AMY ALLUDED TO IS THAT WE'VE WE'VE SEEN 17% IN 2023, DOWN TO 7% LAST YEAR. PRELIMINARILY, FOR NEXT YEAR.

IT IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER. AND SO WE'LL BRING THOSE FINAL VALUES FROM THE CAT OR THE ESTIMATED VALUES FROM THE CAT FORWARD DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. BUT JUST WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE THAT WHILE THERE IS HAS BEEN GROWTH, THAT GROWTH HAS CONTINUED TO SLOW YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. AND THAT'S SIMPLY THE PATTERN THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. TAKING A LOOK AT HISTORICAL TAX RATES AND REALLY KIND OF IN THE CONTEXT OF THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM. SO IN 2023, THE DEBT TAX RATE WAS 0.20425. WE REFER TO THAT AS $0.20. SO THAT'S ABOUT $0.20 FOR EVERY $100 OF ASSESSED VALUE IN FISCAL YEAR 2026, THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, THE DEBT RATE IS 0.26064 OR $0.26. AND SO ANNUALLY, THE CITY SETS TWO TAX RATES THAT COMBINE INTO THE TOTAL TAX RATE. THE FIRST IS THE RATE OR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS RATE, WHICH IS USED FOR DAILY OPERATIONS OF THE CITY, INCLUDING SALARIES AND PROGRAMS ALL THE DAY TO DAY THINGS THAT THE CITY DOES AND THE INS RATE, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE INTEREST AND SINKING RATE, OR THE DEBT PORTION OF THE TAX RATE, IS USED ONLY FOR THE ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE ON OUTSTANDING TAX SUPPORTED BONDS. AND SO WHAT WE'VE ILLUSTRATED HERE IS GOING BACK TO 2018, THE RED PORTION AT THE TOP IS THE DEBT RATE. THE INS AND THE BOTTOM PORTION IS THE O AND M. THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE RATE. AND SO IN 2018 THE TOTAL TAX RATE WAS ABOUT $0.68. THAT PROGRESSIVELY DECLINED THROUGH 2024 AND THEN INCREASED WITH THE BOND PROGRAM

REALLY STARTING IN 2025 AND THEN AGAIN IN 2026. >> MATT, REAL QUICK, JUST IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT LAST SLIDE, I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE YEARS WERE. SO WHEN YOU HAD THE 7 TO 18% INCREASE, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE TAX RATE SLIDE, THAT WAS IN 23, WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT PRECIPITATED THAT DROP FROM 59 TO. IN OTHER WORDS, THAT WAS A LOT OF ADDITIONAL REVENUE COMING IN. AND SO, YES, IT ALLOWED US BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT MUCH INCREASE IN

EXPENSES. SO IT ALLOWED US TO, TO LOWER THAT RATE AT THAT TIME. >> THAT'S CORRECT. AND JUST TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE DO HAVE WHEN WE CALCULATE THE RATE, AND AMY HAD TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, WE DO HAVE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND A CAP OF 3.5% OVER THAT, NO NEW REVENUE RATE. AND SO AS VALUATIONS MOVE HIGHER, IT IT PUSHES THE TAX RATE DOWN. AND SO THAT WOULD BE

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SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE 2023 FORECAST VERSUS WHERE WE ARE TODAY, THE CURRENT VARIANCE TO THE 2023 FORECAST IS 0.00677. SO WE ARE VERY CLOSE. WE ARE SLIGHTLY OVER, BUT WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO WHERE THAT ORIGINAL FORECAST SHOWED THAT WE WOULD BE. HOWEVER, THE TOTAL INS RATE INCREASE WHEN THE PROGRAM WAS PROPOSED IN 2023 WAS FORECASTED TO BE 0.05764. SO 5.7 CENTS ON THE TAX RATE. AND WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 5.6. SO WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO THAT. UPPER FORECAST THAT WE HAD IN 2023. AND WE WANTED TO MAKE COUNCIL AWARE OF THAT. NOW THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS THAT I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT TO TO THE RIGHT, THAT LOWER RIGHT HAND BOX IN TERMS OF ASSUMPTIONS. SO SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS HAVE CHANGED, CERTAINLY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. IN THE 2023 FORECAST, THERE WAS A 5% AVERAGE GROWTH ASSUMPTION. THAT'S MORE LIKE 4%.

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2023 AND THE 2026 FORECAST. >> YES. COUNCILMEMBER RUMOHR. >> I WANTED TO JUST SAY THAT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE ASSUMPTION OF 45 MOVING FORWARD, BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE FRUSTRATING. AND I KNOW YOU WEREN'T IN YOUR ROLE BACK IN 2023. SO IT'S A LITTLE ALWAYS A LITTLE FRUSTRATING WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH NUMBERS THAT AREN'T, THAT ARE OUT OF CONTEXT IN A WAY, DURING THE COMMITTEE'S. AND SO TO ASSUME, YOU KNOW, LOOK BACKWARDS, SEE WHAT OUR AVERAGE HAS BEEN ASSUMING THAT, BUT AIMING FOR NOT DOING THAT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT CHANGE TO IT SO THAT ANY FUTURE BOND PACKAGES WE'RE CONSIDERING, WE'RE INCLUDING SOME SORT OF GUESSTIMATE OF HOW MUCH WE MIGHT DO. SO WE'RE NOT BEING

SURPRISED LATER ON. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT CHANGE. >> A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. WHEN I SEE THE ASSUMPTION ON 2026 ASSUMPTIONS, 4% A B GROWTH IS THAT ASSESSED VALUE? IS THAT

WHAT THAT STANDS FOR? >> YES. ASSESSED VALUE. >> SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I KNOW IS THAT FOR THE LAST BUDGET CYCLE, BECAUSE THIS BUDGET CYCLE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, WE'VE ASSUMED ON THE GENERAL FUND FORECAST, WE SAW 0% IS, IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I'M SEEING HERE? I MEAN, IS THIS 4% WHAT WE'RE SAYING WE'RE FORECASTING FOR THIS

BUDGET CYCLE. >> SO THIS THIS 4% IS A LONGER TERM AVERAGE THAT THAT WE'RE ASSUMING THE 0% WAS JUST FOR THIS UPCOMING 2027. BUT ONE IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TO MAKE IS THAT THE STATE'S 3.5% CAP OVER NO NEW REVENUE ONLY PERTAINS TO THE O&M SIDE, NOT TO THE DEBT SIDE. SURE. SO ASSESSED VALUES COULD, COULD WE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HIGHER ASSESSED VALUES TO LOWER THE DEBT RATE MORE SO THAN ON THE ON THE O&M SIDE, BECAUSE THERE'S A CAP ON THAT SIDE, THERE IS NO CAP ON THE OTHER SIDE.

>> SO WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THIS 4% ISN'T WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ASSUMED TO CREATE.

WELL, TO CREATE THE NEW THE NEW DEBT SERVICE RATE. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FORECAST, WHAT ARE WE THIS 4% YOU'RE SAYING IS SORT OF AN AVERAGE OVER THE NEXT, I DON'T KNOW, THREE OR 4 OR 5 YEARS. BUT FOR THIS YEAR, WHAT ARE WE SAYING THAT WHEN WE CALCULATE WHAT WE WERE GOING TO FORECAST THE DEBT SERVICE RATE TO BE FOR THIS CURRENT BUDGET CYCLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DECIDING AND APPROVING, WHAT ARE WE USING AS AN ASSUMPTION FOR THE ASSESSED VALUES FOR

THIS PARTICULAR YEAR? >> YEAH. SO THIS PARTICULAR YEAR WE'RE USING THE PRELIMINARY VALUES THAT WE HAVE FROM THE CAD, WHICH ARE IS LESS THAN 4%.

>> OKAY. SO FROM THE GENERAL FUND FORECAST WE'RE ASSUMING A 0% INCREASE. BUT ON THE DEBT SERVICE SIDE, WE'RE SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE 4% OR LESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE. AM I MISUNDERSTANDING THAT?

>> SORRY. SO THE, THE, SO THE DEBT THAT WE ISSUE IN THE CURRENT YEAR IS GOING TO IMPACT.

WE'RE GOING TO START PAYING THE DEBT SERVICE NEXT YEAR. OKAY. AND SO WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THE

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IN THAT $0.27. >> YES. >> IS THE PRELIMINARY VALUES FROM THE DCAD FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR THAT ALIGN WITH THE OPERATING BUDGET. NOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT 2028 AND BEYOND, THAT'S THE 4% ASSUMPTION THAT WE HAVE. AND THAT'S JUST BASED ON IT.

>> OKAY. >> RAMPING UP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH.

>> SO WE'RE SORT OF WE'RE USING A DIFFERENT NUMBER FOR THIS YEAR, 2027. AND THE 4% REALLY

APPLIES TO 28 MOVING FORWARD. >> CORRECT. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT 2027 WILL BE OR WHAT WE THINK IT WILL BE. SURE. SO YES. OKAY. YEP, YEP.

>> MY ONLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT WAS IN ON WE'VE GOT TWO TAX RATES. WE'VE GOT THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE DEBT SERVICE ON OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE. WE'RE ASSUMING A 0% IN THE FORECAST WE JUST SAW WHICH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS FOR THE DEBT SERVICE WE'RE GOING TO LOOK MORE CLOSELY TO WHAT THE ACTUAL VALUES ARE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY RECEIVING FROM DCAD ABOUT THE STATE REAL TIME, ABOUT WHAT IT'S CHANGED FROM LAST YEAR, AND YOU'RE SAYING IT'S ABOUT 2

TO 3% OR SOMETHING LIKE >> RIGHT. SO. YES. YES. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO. UTILIZE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE CAP THAT WE HAVE ON THE SIDE. SO YES.

>> ALL RIGHT. AND THIS PROBABLY GOES BACK TO MAYBE THE LAST PRESENTATION, BUT I KNOW YOU GOT IN HERE, THE ACTIVE ADULT CENTER AND SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION AND THERE'S BEEN SOME EMAILS THAT I THINK COUNCIL HAS RECEIVED ABOUT LOCATION OF THE ACTIVE ADULT CENTER. AT WHAT POINT WILL THE COUNCIL NEED TO MAKE A DEFINITIVE DECISION EITHER WAY? EITHER YOU JUST STAY WITH WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO BE, AND THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FOR THIS DISCUSSION. I'M JUST BECAUSE THAT THAT HAS COME UP.

SO WHERE DOES THAT FIT INTO THE TIMELINE OF WHEN WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT ISSUING BONDS FOR THE $47 MILLION? SO THAT'S JUST A QUESTION I POSE OUT THERE. AND IF IT'S I MEAN, IT MIGHT NOT BE MIGHT BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THIS MEETING, BUT.

>> YEAH, NO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO I'M GOING TO CLICK OVER ONE MORE SLIDE. SO ONE OF

THE THINGS THAT WE ARE SEEKING DIRECTION ON. >> TODAY, SORRY.

>> IS THAT FIRST ONE. SO IS COUNCIL COUNCIL INTERESTED IN US PREPARING SOME FINANCIAL SCENARIOS REGARDING THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS FOR A CO-LOCATED LIBRARY AND ACTIVE ADULT CENTER. SO ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT, AND IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THERE ON POINT TWO, THE MAJORITY OF THE FUNDING THAT IS LEFT IN THE ISSUANCES IS TIED

UP BETWEEN THOSE TWO PROJECTS, RIGHT? >> YES. OVER HALF ALMOST

CORRECT. >> AND SO IF WE LOOK AT POTENTIALLY THEM BEING ON ONE SITE, WE NEED THOSE TWO FUNDING SOURCES TO GO TOGETHER. SO ULTIMATELY, IF YOU'RE IF YOU LOOK AT POINT NUMBER TWO AND YOU WANT TO LOOK AT SCENARIOS TO MOVE IT OUT, WE WOULD WANT THOSE TWO PROJECTS TO START AND RUN CONCURRENTLY SO WE CAN PUT THEM UNDER ONE CONTRACT AND BUILD ONE FACILITY. SO ANY DIRECTION THAT YOU GUYS CAN PROVIDE TODAY ON, IF YOU ARE OPEN TO US, PREPARE PREPARING THOSE FINANCIAL SCENARIOS ON WHAT POTENTIAL ECONOMIES OF SCALE AND SAVINGS COULD BE. WE COULD LOOK TOWARDS THAT. OTHERWISE, PARKS DID LET US KNOW THAT THEY DO HAVE A SECONDARY SITE AT MACK PARK. THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL OPTION FOR THE ACTIVE ADULT CENTER. AGAIN, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO LOOK AT IT. THE COUNCIL IN 23 GAVE DIRECTION ON A JOINT FACILITY. SO AGAIN, ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN

PROVIDE WOULD GREATLY HELP US. >> AND WHEN WOULD THAT DIRECT? WHEN WOULD YOU IDEALLY NEED THAT SPECIFIC DIRECTION? WHEN, WHEN, WHAT KIND OF TIME FRAME ARE WE LOOKING AT?

>> ULTIMATELY, BEFORE COUNCIL DECIDES WHEN TO ISSUE THE DEBT? >> OKAY. AND WHEN ARE WE ANTICIPATING THAT COMING BEFORE COUNCIL TO ISSUE THE DEBT THAT IS IS NEXT YEAR, IS IT?

>> THAT IS SOME OF THE DIRECTION WE'RE SEEKING TODAY. >> OKAY. WELL, LET'S LET'S DECIDE. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO DO IT TODAY. FAIR ENOUGH. OKAY. I'M GOING TO GO MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL MEMBER RUMOHR AND THEN ANYBODY ELSE. OKAY. GO AHEAD. MAYOR PRO

TEM. >> I GUESS. I MEAN, AS FAR AS DIRECTION GOES, I DO HAVE I THINK I NEED SOME HELP WITH JUST SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION TO START OFF WITH ON SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY. WHAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND WANTING A DIFFERENT SOUTH

BRANCH LIBRARY? >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL? JENNIFER BECKER DIRECTOR OF LIBRARIES.

SO WE HAD DONE A FACILITY MASTER PLAN IN 2020, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT INDICATED, WHICH WE KNEW IN OUR HEARTS, WAS THAT SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY WAS TOO SMALL TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. IT IS A VERY BUSY LOCATION AND IT IS UNDERSIZED. IT'S HARD TO GET TO, SO IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE. I WOULD NOT WANT TO RIDE MY BIKE TO THAT SOG IN THAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS

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BASICALLY DOUBLE IN SIZE. >> OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A LIKE, I GUESS NUMERICALLY WHEN. IS THERE A WAY TO JUDGE LIKE HOW, HOW WE'RE DEFINING LIKE AT CAPACITY IS, COULD YOU

EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE. >> SO THAT WHEN THE QUESTION I GOT WHEN TODD HILEMAN WAS MANAGER, CITY MANAGER WAS, SO WHAT'S THE FORMULA? THERE IS NO FORMULA. YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A NATIONAL RECOMMENDATION OF ONE SQUARE FOOT PER CAPITA. AND THEN THAT WAS BACK IN THE 60S, YEARS AGO. AND THEN SOME STATES HAVE SET A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS. SOME OF THEM HAVE AROUND 0.66FT■!S PER CAPITA, BUT TEXAS DOES NOT HAVE ANY. AND I THINK IT'S JUST DOWN TO LIKE TWO STATES THAT HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S NO SQUARE FOOTAGE RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE LIBRARIES ARE VERY SPECIFIC TO THEIR COMMUNITY. AND ALSO WITH THE EVOLUTION OF DIGITAL MATERIALS AND DATABASES, WE DON'T NEED TO HOUSE AS MUCH STUFF, BUT WE STILL NEED SPACE FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE STILL COMING IN. WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A BIG SHIFT IN COMMUNITY DEMAND ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR THE WHOLE LIBRARY INDUSTRY IS PEOPLE NEED SPACE, MEETING SPACE, STUDY ROOM SPACE, PLAY SPACE FOR KIDS, SPACE FOR

PROGRAMING. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE SPACE DEMAND IS COMING FROM. >> WHAT'S LIKE, DO YOU KNOW THE

AVERAGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN THE FACILITY PER HOUR? >> YES, I DO.

>> BECAUSE I DON'T AND I KNOW YOU WOULD. >> I TOLD SETH, I BRING MY

BINDER. >> HERE WE GO. >> SO SOUTH BRANCH LAST YEAR, WE HAD 159,703 VISITORS. THAT'S AN AVERAGE OF 50 PEOPLE PER HOUR OPEN. OKAY. IT IS OUR TOP CIRCULATION LOCATION SIGNIFICANTLY. AND THAT'S MAINLY DRIVEN BY THE FAMILIES WITH YOUNG CHILDREN. SO THE YOUTH AREA, SOUTH BRANCH, SOUTH BRANCH IS OUR CHILDREN'S LIBRARY. WE HAD 185,115 PHYSICAL ITEMS CHECKED OUT AT THAT LOCATION.

>> THAT NUMBER, AGAIN. >> 185,115 ITEMS CHECKED OUT BY FAMILIES AND PROGRAMING. IT IS ALSO THE TOP LOCATION FOR PROGRAMING. WE DID 301 PROGRAMS AT THAT LOCATION. WE ARE LIMITED BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE ROOM WHICH ALSO DURING VOTED VOTING, IF YOU WANT TO GO SEE A CHILDREN'S PROGRAM, IT'S JUST OUT IN THE OPEN. SO WE HAD 12,041 ATTENDEES.

>> OKAY. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, ANY IDEA LIKE WHAT EMILY FOWLER GETS PER HOUR ON AVERAGE OR

NORTH BRANCH GETS PER HOUR? JUST JUST THE YEAH. >> SO COMPARISON, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT VISITS SOUTH IS NUMBER TWO. NORTH IS NUMBER ONE. THEY'RE THE LARGEST FACILITY AND THEY'RE OPEN MORE HOURS DURING THE WEEK. SO IN TERMS OF 1 TO 3, NORTH HAS 71 PEOPLE PER HOUR ON AVERAGE, SOUTH 50 PEOPLE PER AVERAGE AND FOWLER 33 PEOPLE PER HOUR.

>> OKAY. >> YEAH. ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, I APPRECIATE IT. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD ON THE SOUTH BRANCH. I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT ACTIVE ADULT CENTER. AND I MEAN, IT COULD IT COULD APPLY TO THE SOUTH BRANCH LIKE ACTUAL PROPERTY ITSELF TOO. BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST LIKE FOR MY EDUCATION. LET. IF, IF, IF YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT ADULT CENTER, LIKE I HAVE A HONESTLY, I GUESS I JUST HAVE A CONCERN THAT THE CURRENT ONE WILL TURN INTO CITY HALL WEST 2.0 IN A SENSE, AS FAR AS JUST LIKE THIS THING THAT STAYS THERE THAT WE THEN. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? ARE THERE ARE THERE PLANS FOR WHAT WOULD GO IN THAT PLACE INSTEAD? OR WOULD IT JUST BE A VACANT BUILDING?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. CHRISTINE TAYLOR, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. SO THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN DID SPEAK TO USING THE SPACE AND DID HAVE SOME DESIGN OF WHAT IT COULD

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THE PARK. >> OKAY, THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW. I'M

GOING TO WAIT TO GIVE DIRECTION. >> COUNCILMEMBER RUMOHR. >> APPRECIATE IT. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE ABOUT NUMBER ONE HERE ON THE SCREEN IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL SCENARIOS. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW TIME INTENSIVE THAT WOULD BE TO CREATE THESE SCENARIOS? I KNOW SETH IS PRETTY GOOD AT SCENARIOS. HE MADE ONE FOR ME ONE TIME.

>> YEAH. SO WE'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY KIND OF STARTED THAT PROCESS. SO WE ONE OF MY SENIOR PROJECT MANAGERS, AARON SKINNER, HAS DONE SOME EXTENSIVE RESEARCH ON LIBRARIES AND ACTIVE ADULT CENTERS BUILT IN D AND IN DFW OVER THE LAST 3 TO 5 YEARS. SO WE HAVE KIND OF A COST PER SQUARE FOOT OF WHAT WE THINK A FACILITY WOULD COST. AGAIN, THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. SO ULTIMATELY, WE WOULD WANT TO PROVIDE THE MOST SQUARE FOOTAGE TO MEET THE OPERATIONAL NEED FOR BOTH FACILITIES. AND IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY THAT WE COULD GUARANTEE SAVING $10 MILLION OFF OF WHAT YOU SEE THERE. BUT WE DID MEET WITH BOTH DEPARTMENTS AND THINK THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SAVINGS. AGAIN, A LOT OF IT WOULD DEPEND ON TIMELINE, AND IF THE COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH KIND OF THE NEW SITE, INSTEAD OF LOOKING TO ADAPT TO A CURRENT SOUTH BRANCH

LIBRARY SITE. >> I THINK TO HELP ME WITH THAT DECISION MAKING IS I KNOW, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE HAVE CALLED FOR KEEPING IT WHERE IT IS AND EXPANDING IT. AND THE ISSUE THERE, OF COURSE, IS FOOTPRINT, PARKING, PARKING. I REMEMBER WHEN WE TOURED IT, ONE OF THE BIG COMPLAINTS IS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING THERE AT THAT LOCATION WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS.

MACK PARK MAY NOT EVEN HAVE THE ROOM FOR PARKING BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS, WHAT I'VE HEARD HAPPENED IN ARLINGTON WAS THEY BUILT A SENIOR CENTER, AND SUDDENLY ALL THE 50 YEAR OLDS ARE VERY EXCITED TO GO THERE BECAUSE NOW THAT'S THE COOL NEW FACILITY, RIGHT? AND SO THERE WAS MORE PARKING NEED THAN THEY ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED. SO THERE'S PROBABLY MORE POTENTIAL FOR THE PARKING TO BE MET ELSEWHERE. WHERE I START TO HAVE CONCERNS IS HOW FAR AWAY THAT BECOMES FROM THE REST OF THE CITY. SO IT'S NOT AS CENTRALIZED. SO MACK PARK AT LEAST IS MORE CENTRALIZED. SO THERE'S A LOT OF TRADE OFFS I'M TRYING TO WORK THROUGH IN MY HEAD. SO IF WE COULD, AS PART OF THIS, SCENARIOS INCLUDE KIND OF GENERALLY WHAT MACK, YOU KNOW, DOING THEM SEPARATELY, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT PUTTING THEM TOGETHER LOOKS LIKE. SO WE CAN KIND OF HAVE THOSE NUMBERS, TRADE OFFS, ALL OF THAT TO DISCUSS AS WE'RE

TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT. >> YEAH. SO I GUESS JUST ONE LITTLE POINT. I THINK IF WE WERE TO GO WITH THE MACK PARK SITE, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT UTILIZING EVERY BIT OF THE 47.3 MILLION ALLOCATED. YES. IF WE WERE TO GO TO A JOINT FACILITY, THAT'S WHERE WE GET THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE OF ONLY HAVING TO DO ONE SITE DESIGN, ONE SET OF UTILITIES, ONE SET OF OPERATION MAINTENANCE COSTS GOING FORWARD. AGAIN, SAME KIND OF CO-LOCATION FOR EMPLOYEE SPACES. SO WE CAN LOOK TO TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. BUT I WOULD ANTICIPATE IT'LL SHOW USING THAT ENTIRE AMOUNT OF MONEY ON MACK PARK, USING THE ENTIRE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY ON THE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND THEN WE COULD PROVIDE POTENTIALLY 1 OR

2 SCENARIOS FOR SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE OPTIONS FOR THAT. >> OR JUST THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THERE WOULD BE LEFT OVER FOR PARKING, SINCE I THINK THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT ENDS UP BEING A PAIN POINT AFTER YOU, YOU KNOW, SETTLE IN ON IT AND YOU BUILD THE FACILITY.

>> YEAH. SO EITHER WAY, WE WOULD HAVE TO DESIGN THE FACILITY TO MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING. SO THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL TOTAL COST WITHOUT ACTUALLY GETTING INTO SOME SORT OF SCHEMATIC DESIGN OR CONCEPT. I THINK IT'S SAFE TO ASSUME THAT WE WOULD MEET WHATEVER THE PARKING REQUIREMENT IS FOR SPACE TO FIT ON THE SITE. IT JUST MAY MEANS WE HAVE TO POTENTIALLY GO MORE VERTICAL OR GET CREATIVE WITH OUR DESIGN,

RIGHT? >> IT CHANGES THE BUILDING AT THAT POINT.

>> EXACTLY. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NUMBER ONE.

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY, OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND I'LL BE QUICK BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE RUNNING OVER TIME HERE REAL QUICK ON OPTION ONE. FIRST OFF, I'M IN FAVOR OF SEEING THE DIFFERENT FINANCIAL SCENARIOS SURROUNDING THIS, BUT WAS HAVING A CO-LOCATED SITE JUST JOG MY MEMORY? A CONVERSATION

THAT WAS HAD DURING THE 2023 BOND COMMITTEE PROCESS? >> THAT IS CORRECT. IN AUGUST OF 23. THAT COUNCIL CONSIDERED IT WHEN WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT MOVING SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY TO THE NEW LOCATION WAS THE SYNERGIES OF A JOINT COMPLEX. YOU BET.

>> COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND. >> THANK YOU. I'M NOT A LIBRARY GUY. I'M NOT. I HEARD THEY HAD ONE AT NORTH TEXAS, BUT I NEVER I NEVER SAW IT. BUT BUT IT SEEMS TO ME, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN TO SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY. I MEAN, WE VOTE EVERY WEEK AROUND HERE AND, AND, AND I'VE BEEN I DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM GETTING IN OR OUT OF THE SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY, NOT

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BRANCH LIBRARY ONTO WHAT WILL BE THE VACANT STATION SIX SITE? >> YEAH, SO GREAT POINT. WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT SOME CONCEPTS THERE. SO ACTUALLY THERE IS A PUBLIC ACCESS ROAD THAT COMES THAT GOES INTO THE BENT CREEK ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD. SO EXPANDING TO THE WHAT WOULD THAT BE THE WEST OF THAT LOCATION REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WITH THE EXISTING UTILITIES AND BACK ENTRANCE INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT EXPANDING TO THE NORTH, WHICH WOULD BE INTO THE EXISTING FRONT PARKING LOT, TO GET ROUGHLY 8000FT■!S OF ADDITIONAL SPACE. THAT WOULD NOT QUITE GET US TO THE 40,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY. YOU'RE ALMOST LOOKING AT THE SAME COST FOR AN OLDER FACILITY. AGAIN, JUST MODIFYING ALL THE MEP REQUIREMENTS, LOOKING AT THE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO BUILD FOR THE PARKING THAT YOU GAVE UP THERE, AS WELL AS THE FACILITIES CONDITION ASSESSMENT, IDENTIFIED A LOT OF MAJOR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDED TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN FIVE YEARS, AND THAT WAS DONE IN 23. SO WE WOULD ALMOST BE LOOKING AT A 15 OR SO MILLION DOLLAR RENOVATION, PLUS ANOTHER 15 TO $20 MILLION TO ADD ON 8000FT■!S. SO AT THAT POINT, YOU'RE PRICED INTO IT'S CHEAPER TO BUY A NEW BUILDING OR BUILD A NEW BUILDING THAN RENOVATE

THE EXISTING. >> OKAY. AND IF THAT'S TRUE, WHAT ABOUT TURNING THE SOUTH BRANT, THE CURRENT SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY INTO THE ACTIVE ADULT CENTER?

>> SO I THINK SPACE WISE WE WOULD NEED SIGNIFICANTLY MORE. SO JUST LOOKING AT ACTIVE ADULT, I THINK WE'RE GAUGING SOMEWHERE AROUND 80,000FT■!S OF SPACE NEEDED FOR THEM AND THEN ROUGHLY 40,000. SO ULTIMATELY, IF WE COULD GET 120, ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO BE. THE CURRENT SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY, I THINK, IS 2020 121 AND CHANGE.

SO IT'S IT'S ALMOST IT MAY BE SMALLER THAN THE CURRENT ACTIVE ADULT CENTER.

>> OKAY. AND OKAY. AND THEN HYPOTHETICALLY, WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD WE DO WITH THE 2100

ZERO SQUARE FOOT BUILDING? >> I'M GLAD YOU ASKED. SO AS PART OF OUR INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS, WE DO APPRAISALS ON THOSE PROPERTIES FOR FIRE STATION NUMBER SIX. AND THAT FACILITY RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE WORTH ABOUT 4.5 MILLION. SO ONE THING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT IS ONCE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE, POTENTIALLY SELLING THOSE OFF AS INVENTORY OR REAL ESTATE EXTRA INVENTORY, AND POTENTIALLY USE THAT TO PAY OFF SOME OF THE THE DEBT.

>> DO YOU THINK THERE'S A MARKET FOR, FOR, FOR A USED LIBRARY?

>> I THINK THERE'S A MARKET FOR THAT LOCATION. YES, SIR. >> OKAY.

>> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. YOU BET. >> YES. COUNCIL MEMBER CHESTER.

>> I'M SO SORRY. >> I QUESTION IS FOR NUMBER TWO. >> OH, OKAY. ANY OTHER

DIRECTION FOR QUESTION NUMBER ONE? YES. COUNCILMAN PERRY. >> THANK YOU. I HEARD SQUARE FOOTAGE AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IT WAS 40,000FT■!S, ACTIVE ADULT CENTE, 40,000FT■!S. LIBRARY IF SEPARAT. IS THAT CORRECT IN THE BOND

ELECTION? >> NO, SIR. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT LET ME GO BACK. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 40,000FT■!S FOR THE SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY. FOR THE ACTIVE ADULT, OUR GOAL WOULD BE SOMEWHERE NEAR 80,000FT■!S, DEPENDING UPON COS. AGAIN, SOME OF THE WAYS THAT YOU CAN GET WITHIN BUDGET IS YOU CUT SQUARE FOOTAGE. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE SIMPLEST WAY THE ACTIVE ADULT. WE'RE ANTICIPATING BEING A LITTLE BIT EASIER CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF OPEN SPACES THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR PROGRAMING. SO THAT DRIVES OUR COST PER SQUARE FOOT DOWN. THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY BEING DOUBLE AROUND FOR THE

SAME COST AS THE SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY PIECE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. YES. I ALSO WOULD LOVE TO SEE A BREAKDOWN OF LIKE THE MACK PARK OPTION, BECAUSE I ALSO HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF EMAILS FROM CONSTITUENTS WORRIED ABOUT DECENTRALIZING WHERE THE ACTIVE ADULT CENTER IS CURRENTLY AND BEING SO FAR AWAY IN D4. THAT IS A CONCERN THAT I HOLD. I ALSO. I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLANDS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE WHAT THE WITH THE BUILDING THEN BE USED FOR. AND HERE THE NEED FOR SPACE AND EXPANSION AND. WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE MEETING SPACES AND MEETING ROOMS AND PROGRAM ROOMS. THAT IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS ABOUT THE NORTH BRANCH LIBRARY, WHICH IS BY MY HOME. I RENT OUT THAT FRONT SPACE ALL OF THE TIME AND THAT IS A GENERATION OF REVENUE SOURCE AS WELL. SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE ON A STANDALONE BUILDING TO GIVE THEM THE SPACE THEY NEED THAT ADDRESSES. I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION, SECOND QUESTION.

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>> CAN WE. >> GO BACK? CAN WE GO BACK TO YOUR RECOMMENDATION SLIDE,

PLEASE? >> MY APOLOGIES. >> NO. YOU'RE GOOD. YOU WERE HELPING ME WITH THE OTHER WING WITH THE OTHER QUESTION. YEAH. SO THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS ACROSS COLLATING. OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN I'LL WAIT TO GIVE ON TWO. I'LL LET ANYBODY ELSE SPEAK TO ONE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. >> SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, YOU'RE LOOKING AT. SO THE CURRENT SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY IS 21,000FT■!S, APPROXIMATELY CORRECT. FIRE STATIONS SITTING ON. WHAT'S THE ACREAGE OF THOSE TWO PARCELS? JUST THE RAW LAND

ACREAGE, DO YOU KNOW? >> OH, GOSH, I DON'T KNOW. OFF THE TOP.

>> OF MY HEAD. THAT'S FINE. SO WHEN I DO A CALCULATION OF 40,000FT■!S FOR 50, $50 MILLION, THAT'S 12. THAT'S ABOUT $1,100 A SQUARE FOOT. AM I DOING THE MATH WRONG ON THAT?

>> NO YOU'RE NOT. SO PART OF THAT IS GOES INTO THE LAND COSTS. SO WE DID TAKE OUT 2.5 MILLION TO PURCHASE THE LAND OFF OF RYAN ROAD. THAT IS COMING OFF THE BOND AMOUNT. AND AGAIN, WE, WE PUT TOGETHER SOME OF THESE ESTIMATES BASED OFF OF THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE STANDALONE. SO ALL OF THE SITE COSTS ALL OF THE UTILITY COSTS, DESIGN COSTS, PIECES GOING INTO THAT COST PER SQUARE FOOT. WE MAY CONSTRUCT FOR $700 PER SQUARE FOOT. BUT ONCE YOU ADD IN ALL THOSE SOFT COSTS AND THE LAND COSTS, WE'RE GETTING TO THAT TOTAL.

>> SURE. SO AND THEN YOUR THOUGHT WAS IF YOU EXPANDED OR RENOVATED THE 2100 ZERO SQUARE FOOT OR EXPANDED IT, THAT 8000FT■!S WOULD BE THE SAME. I MEAN, I'M JUST I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE COST, QUITE FRANKLY. AND I MEAN, IF WE NEED A NEW LIBRARY OR WE NEED A BIGGER LIBRARY WITH EXPANDED MEETING SPACE AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, TOTALLY GET IT. DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. I GUESS THIS GOES TO TO NUMBER ONE, INTERESTED IN THE SCENARIOS OF CO-LOCATING. BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING 120 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, NOW, IF YOU DO A CO-LOCATION, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE GOING TO MAYBE HAVE SOME SYNERGIES, YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT, YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME ISSUE WITH UTILITIES. NOW YOU'RE NOT DOING IT FOR THE MACK PARK SIDE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE HYPOTHETICALLY. RIGHT? SO I'M JUST REALLY WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND, ARE WE GETTING THE BEST USE AND EFFICIENCY OF OUR DOLLARS? AND WHEN I LOOK AT A $100 A SQUARE FOOT, I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT IT COSTS TO BUILD THINGS TO SOME DEGREE, BUT, YOU KNOW, UTILITY COSTS AND ALL THAT. I'VE BEEN WATCHING BONNIE BRAE GO IN FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. SO I CERTAINLY I'VE GOTTEN A NEW APPRECIATION FOR ROADS AND UTILITIES, TRUST ME. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M OKAY WITH LOOKING AT THE FINANCIAL SCENARIOS REGARDING THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS. BUT I THINK IF WE DIDN'T DO THAT, WE WOULDN'T REALLY BE DOING OUR JOB TO SAY, HEY, WHICH ONE IS THE MORE EFFECTIVE PROBLEM YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THERE IS WITH THE CO-LOCATION OF THE ACTUAL LOCATION. I DON'T KNOW IF THE PRICE IS SO MUCH THAT IT'S THE LOCATION OF IT HAVING TO BE OUT IN THE

SOUTHERN PART OF TOWN. >> RIGHT. >> AND I GUESS IF IF IT TAKES TOO MUCH TIME, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE GOT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE EITHER COMING UP OR WE'VE GOT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE CURRENTLY ON THE LIBRARY, DEFERRED MEANS WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE IT AT SOME POINT. WE'RE DOING IT.

WE HAVEN'T DONE IT. I'D LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING TO WHERE WE'RE MAKING THE BEST DECISION, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $100 MILLION HERE. YEAH. WHICH IS OVER HALF OF WHAT WE'VE GOT LEFT. AND I JUST WANT TO BE PRUDENT ABOUT THAT. SO I'M OKAY WITH ONE. TWO. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT EXTENDING THE BOND PROGRAM TO. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, HEY, IF WE EXTENDED IT OUT, WE WON'T NEED THIS, THIS $0.01 TAX INCREASE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US FOR IN THIS DIRECTION? OKAY.

>> YEAH. THE THE IDEA THERE IS JUST THAT IF THE PROGRAM WERE TO BE EXTENDED TO, YOU KNOW, SEVEN, EIGHT, YOU KNOW, NINE YEARS AND WE TOOK THE REMAINING PROJECTS KIND OF ONE AT A TIME.

OKAY, THAT IT WOULD HELP TO RELIEVE SOME PRESSURE ON THE EYES.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER. JESTER. >> IS THERE A REASON WHY NOT? INCLUDED WAS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PRIORITIES FOR ME, FOR THE CITY SEEM TO BE THE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS, TRANSPORTATION AND THE POTENTIAL FOR FLOODING AND DRAINAGE. WHY WAS THAT NOT

INCLUDED IN ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS? >> YEAH.

>> SO THE ARE THOSE. >> YEAH. AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THE PROJECTS ARE ALREADY IN PROGRESS. AND SO STOPPING THEM AND THEN RESTARTING THEM WOULD BE EVEN

MORE EXPENSIVE. >> OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS IN ADDITION TO, AS OPPOSED

TO STOPPING AND STARTING ADDITIONAL PROJECTS. >> NO.

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>> SAY THAT AGAIN. IN ADDITION. >> SO AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT THAT THE BOND COMMITTEE ALLOCATED, ARE WE RESTRICTED TO THE MINGO ROAD RUDEL AREA AS FAR AS ANY OF THESE BOND DOLLARS BEING

SPENT ON STREETS AND SIDEWALKS? >> SO, SO THE PROPOSITION ITSELF ALLOWS FOR STREET IMPROVEMENTS UNLESS THOSE SPECIFIC NAMED STREETS ARE IN THE PROPOSITION, WHICH I. I DON'T RECALL THAT THEY WERE. SO IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO ALLOCATE BOND PROCEEDS TO A DIFFERENT PROJECT IF THAT'S. IF THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

>> YES. >> YEAH. THE. AND LET ME JUST BACK UP REAL QUICK HERE.

>> JUST AS FAR AS PRIORITIES AS FAR AS ISSUING ANY FURTHER DEBT AT THIS POINT IN TIME IN OUR SITUATION. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT I THINK IS, IS TIMELY AS FAR AS INVESTING NOW VERSUS GIVING US A BREAK OF A YEAR OR TWO, WHICH I'M ALSO ON BOARD

WITH. GO AHEAD. SORRY. >> I JUST WANTED TO REFER BACK TO THE TO THE BOND ISSUANCE TIMELINE. AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS IN PROPOSITION A AND B, THOSE THE MAJORITY OF THE BONDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ISSUED OR ARE IN ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING ISSUED. SO THE REMAINING AMOUNT, THE 20 MILLION FOR STREETS AND THE 16.9 MILLION FOR DRAINAGE, THOSE ARE THOSE ARE ACTIVE.

>> YOU JUST HAVE ZERO LEFT IN THAT BUCKET. >> OKAY. RIGHT.

>> SO SO I THINK AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE MY OPINION AFTER HEARING ARGUMENTS AND FACTS. HOWEVER, I TEND TO THINK, LET'S GIVE US A BREAK ON ISSUING ANY NEW DEBT, CONSIDERING HOW MUCH HELP IT WOULD BE TO PAY SOME OF THAT DOWN.

>> OKAY, SO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. SO WHEN YOU SAY SO ON QUESTION TWO, YOU'RE SAYING TO GO AHEAD AND WAIT TO HELP REDUCE THE IMPACT OF THE TAX RATE CURRENTLY. IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. AND I THINK IT SAYS IF IF SO, IS THERE A PRIORITIZATION OF THE PROJECTS? IN OTHER WORDS, DO YOU WHEN YOU LOOK UP THERE, BECAUSE I THINK YOU SAID TAKE THEM ALMOST EITHER ONE AT A TIME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR AND SO ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT?

>> CERTAINLY. THANK YOU FOR THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION AND REMINDED ME OF THE OTHER PART OF THE QUESTION THAT'S BEING ASKED. I WOULD SAY THAT KEEPING IN MIND THAT I DON'T THINK PRICES ARE GOING TO GO DOWN AS FAR AS REAL COMMERCIAL, REAL PROPERTY AREA, AS WELL ■AS CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND SUPPLIES. I THINK IT WOULD BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST, PROBABLY TO GO IN ABOUT REVERSE ORDER. SO THE SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY, IN MY MIND BEING NUMBER ONE, THE ACTIVE ADULT CENTER, NUMBER TWO, AFFORDABLE HOUSING THREE, WATERWORKS PARK FOUR AND PARK TRAILS FIVE AS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK ON IN THE FUTURE AND IS NOT SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THE PRICE IS NOT GOING TO GO UP AS MUCH. IF WE'RE LOOKING AT REALLY TRYING TO BE CAREFUL WITH OUR

DOLLARS THIS YEAR. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. >> COUNCILMEMBER RUMOHR.

>> THANK YOU. MY PRIORITIES ON THESE ARE. I'M DEFINITELY OPEN TO SCENARIOS TO TRY TO BUFFER OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT FROM THE COST OR INS RATE GOING UP, THAT PRESSURE THAT WE'RE HAVING, I THINK I WOULD PRIORITIZE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. AND IT'S KIND OF A MIX OF HOW THE BOND COMMITTEE INTERACTED WITH THESE, BECAUSE I WAS ON THAT 2023 BOND COMMITTEE. SO IT'S SORT OF A MIX OF, OF NEED AND SORT OF COST AND WHAT THE BOND COMMITTEE WAS SAYING AND HOW THESE PERFORMED WITH THE VOTERS. SO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT IS STILL A NEED, ESPECIALLY FOR THE DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO FOR ME, THAT'S NUMBER ONE. THAT'S A CRITICAL NEED. PARKS TRAILS WAS DID PRETTY WELL ON THE RANKINGS AS WELL. IT'S LOW COST, BUT I WOULD ONLY PRIORITIZE THAT AS NUMBER TWO. IF THESE ARE LINEAR TRAILS THAT HAVE SORT OF A TRANSPORTATION COMPONENT. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S GIVING PEOPLE ANOTHER WAY TO GET AROUND WHICH CAN HELP THEM WITH HOUSEHOLD COSTS. FOR ME, NUMBER THREE AND FOUR WOULD BE THE ACTIVE ADULT CENTER AND SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY BECAUSE OF THEIR COST. AND WE STILL HAVE SOME DECISIONS TO MAKE WITH THOSE. AND THEN LAST WOULD BE WATERWORKS PARK, BECAUSE THAT ONE BARELY EVEN GOT THROUGH THE BOND COMMITTEE. IT ACTUALLY FAILED AND THEN PASSED. AND THAT'S WHY IT SAYS 15,000,001 ON THAT NUMBER, IF ANYBODY'S WONDERING. SO JUST BECAUSE OF HOW THAT ONE WENT THROUGH THE BOND COMMITTEE, I WOULD DO WATERWORKS AT THE BOTTOM IN THE PRIORITIES. BUT I'M OPEN TO

SORT OF EXTENDING SOME OF THESE. >> THANK YOU. >> COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND AND

MAYOR PRO TEM. >> THANK YOU. I'M IN FAVOR OF ANYTHING THAT THAT IS POTENTIAL SAVINGS ASSOCIATED. SO I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF THAT. AS FAR AS NUMBER TWO, I, YEAH, I LIKE I LIKE THE IDEA OF THAT. AND I'VE ALWAYS, I'VE ALWAYS SUBSCRIBED TO THE THEORY OF PUT

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START AT THE BIG ROCK AND GO DOWN. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR PRO TEM.

>> YEAH. TO GIVE DIRECTION ON ON NUMBER ONE. I'M INTERESTED IN PREPARING THAT. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT. I'M INTERESTED AS WELL. NUMBER TWO, PREPARING SCENARIOS TO EXTEND THE BOND PROGRAM. IS THERE A PRIORITIZATION OF PROJECTS. I WOULD SAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING FIRST, WATERWORKS PARK LAST. YOU CAN PUT ALL THE OTHER THREE RIGHT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO IN

THE MIDDLE. >> OKAY. >> THAT'S DIRECTION COUNCIL

MEMBER VILLARREAL. >> THANK YOU MAYOR. YES, I'M IN FAVOR OF NUMBER ONE OF US BRINGING BACK SOME OF THOSE POTENTIAL SCENARIOS. FOR NUMBER TWO, I'M IN FAVOR OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEN SOUTH BRANCH LIBRARY AND THE ACTIVE ADULT CENTER, THEN PARKS, TRAILS AND

WATER WORK PARK IN THAT ORDER. THANK YOU. >> COUNCILMAN PERRY.

>> THANK YOU. JUST A QUICK FACT CHECKING FOR MYSELF IN THE PRESENTATION IN PROP C, IT TALKED ABOUT THERE ALREADY BEING PROJECTS COMPLETED. IT SHOWS THAT LIKE I THINK 10.5 MILLION WAS ALREADY ALLOCATED OVER THE LAST TWO CYCLES WITH LIKE A REMAINING OF OVER 17 MILLION LEFT FOR PARKS SPECIFICALLY. AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A GRANT THAT'S BEEN AWARDED AND TIED TO THE INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND. I'M WONDERING IN TERMS OF WHAT'S REMAINING TO GIVE TO PARKS, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS LEFT TO ALLOCATE TOWARD? I'M GUESSING IT'S JUST THE DIFFERENCE OF 12 MILLION, BECAUSE 12 MILLION IS FOR THE WATER PARK. IS THAT

ACCURATE? >> SO FOR YEAH, FOR FOR THE PARK SYSTEM, THERE'S 23 MILLION REMAINING. OKAY. AND OF THE 23 MILLION, 12 MILLION IS FOR THE WATERWORKS PARK AND 11 MILLION

IS FOR TRAILS. >> OKAY. HEARD. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE SCENARIOS. I THINK MY WORRY THOUGHT IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ROI AND THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE'RE SEEING WHEN WE ISSUE THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY ALL AT ONE TIME, WHAT THAT CAN DO TO PEOPLE'S RATES. AND I'M WORRIED THAT WE'RE GOING TO CAUSE FOLKS TO HAVE ELECTRICITY RATES THAT ARE EXPONENTIALLY MORE THAN THEY ALREADY ARE. AND THAT IS A WORRY THAT I HOLD. AND IF THAT DOESN'T SOUND VALID, PLEASE BE LIKE GEORGE. THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT HOW THAT WORKS AT ALL. BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S MY THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND WHEN GIVING LIKE THE NOSE WHEN YOU DISPERSE THEM, RIGHT? LIKE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ROI AND BEING CONSTRAINED, THAT'S LIKE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS

THAT WE NEED TO BE WEARY OF COMING BACK. CORRECT. >> SO THE YEAH, THE ROI BEING ON THAT SIDE OF THE TAX RATE, RIGHT, IS GOING TO BE A CURRENT YEAR OR NEXT. WHEN I SAY CURRENT YEAR, NEXT YEAR BUDGET CONSIDERATION IN THAT OPERATING BUDGET, WE WANTED TO BRING THIS FORWARD BECAUSE THIS IMPACTS THE INS AND DEBT SIDE OF IT, AND COMBINED WILL GIVE THAT TOTAL TAX RATE. SO YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THERE ARE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS ON THE O&M SIDE. WE DO HAVE TO PASS A BALANCED BUDGET REGARDLESS. SO WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT POINT AT SOME POINT. BUT BUT YES, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT BASED ON THE 23 FORECAST WHERE WE'RE AT IN 2026 TO BRING THIS FORWARD, BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING PRESSURE ON ON RATES ACROSS THE BOARD, THIS BEING SPECIFIC TO THE INS, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE O AND M

SIDE, THERE IS PRESSURE AS WELL. >> SO YEAH. AND THE O AND M HAS THE CONSTRAINT, RIGHT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT 3.5% CAP. YES. WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. SO THEN YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT SCENARIOS COULD EXIST IN TERMS OF PRIORITIZATION. I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING. PARKS, TRAILS, SOUTH

BRANCH LIBRARY, WATERWORKS PARK, ACTIVE ADULT CENTER. THANK YOU. >> OKAY, SO LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T COALESCE THE DIRECTION. AND ISSUE NUMBER ONE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAD FOUR THAT SAID, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE SCENARIOS WITH CO-LOCATION FOR THE. MY ONLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT IS THAT SEEMS TO KIND OF BE NOT IN OPPOSITE TO TWO, BUT SO WE'RE SAYING, ME PERSONALLY, I WOULDN'T WANT YOU TO GO SPEND A LOT OF TIME CREATING THESE SCENARIOS. IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT ALL THIS OFF, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PRIORITIES BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET CONSENSUS ON ANY PARTICULAR ORDER, WHICH IS, OKAY, WE'VE

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WE CAN COME BACK AND ADDRESS THE PRIORITY OF THE BOND ISSUANCES. AND I THINK AT THAT TIME, WE CAN HAVE A GREATER IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION ABOUT IS THERE GOING TO BE A SYNERGY OF SAVINGS BECAUSE THE LOCATION ISSUE IS GOING TO BE THE MAJOR ISSUE? I DON'T KNOW IF THE COST I MEAN, YES, WE WANT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT COSTS, BUT IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT OUT THERE, BUT WE'RE SPENDING ALL THIS. SO I THINK WE'VE GOT TIME FOR THE PRIORITIZATION. BUT I DO HEAR VERY CLEARLY, WE WANT TO WAIT TO TO RELIEVE THE PRESSURE FROM THE DEBT SERVICE RATE SO THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE TO ADD THAT CENT. IS THAT IS THAT CLEAR? I MEAN, IS THAT DIRECTION? BECAUSE THAT'S ONE ONE THING I WANT TO MAKE SURE IS WHEN Y'ALL WALK AWAY FROM THE THE PODIUM THERE, THAT YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. BECAUSE IF IF WE IF YOU

DON'T, THAT MEANS WE PROBABLY DON'T. SO. >> SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN BRING BACK SOME SCENARIOS FOR EXTENDING THE BOND PROGRAM AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND THEN ONCE COUNCIL GIVES US DIRECTION ON THE EXTENSION, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THE

DIFFERENT SCENARIOS FOR THE LIBRARY AND ACTIVE ADULT CENTER. >> OKAY. SO WHEN YOU SAY BRING BACK A SCENARIO FOR THE EXTENSION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, NOT JUST IN THIS TAX YEAR, BUT.

>> IN FUTURE. >> OKAY. GOTCHA. YES. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THAT EVERYBODY CLEAR ON

ON THAT. GOOD. YEAH. >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE. SURE. ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION. SO THE, THE IMPLICATION OF NUMBER TWO AND EXTENDING THE PROGRAM AND THE SAVINGS ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH POTENTIALLY CO-LOCATING THAT WILL IMPACT THE FISCAL YEAR 28 AND BEYOND RATES. SO THE $0.01 INCREASE FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR IS, IS REALLY DRIVEN BY THE BOND ISSUANCE THAT WE HAVE IN THE CURRENT YEAR. SURE. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT THAT CLARIFICATION THAT. BUT WE ARE ANTICIPATING AS AS YOU SEE HERE, FUTURE RATE INCREASES

ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROGRAM. SO JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT. >> WELL, AND I, WHAT I, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT WE CAN PUSH, NOT PUSH, MOVE THIS OUT, DELAY IT A LITTLE BIT TO SAVE THE CENT HERE. BUT IF WE DELAY IT, IT MAY PUT PRESSURE ON FUTURE YEARS FOR THOSE RATES. AND WE MIGHT HAVE TO JUST HAVE THIS REOCCURRING DISCUSSION. BUT I ALSO THINK WOULD WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY IF THINGS TURN OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN WHAT WE ANTICIPATE? LET'S SAY THE A B RATE COMES IN AT 3%. WE WE FORECASTED ZERO. SO THAT WOULD BE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. AND WE COULD MAYBE IF WE HAD TO COME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, CHANGE COURSE OF MIDSTREAM. I MEAN, THIS IS JUST SORT OF AT THIS STAGE OF THE BUDGET DISCUSSION.

IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU BET. ALL RIGHT, MAYOR PRO TEM, I'LL CALL THIS ORDER. AND THEN I'M GOING TO TAKE A REAL QUICK BREAK. SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING YOU'LL YOU'LL BE HANDLING THIS NEXT AGENDA. IT WON'T BE LONG. DO Y'ALL WANT TO TAKE A BREAK. Y'ALL WANT TO TAKE A BREAK?

[D. ID 26-1040 Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the appointment and employment of the City Manager, including discussion of recruitment strategy, desired candidate profile, and national search process. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

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>> APPRECIATE IT. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE OPTIONS, PLEASE? I'D LIKE TO DO OPTION ONE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER GETS THE JOB AT THE END DID GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. THEY WERE THE BEST CANDIDATE. WHETHER THAT'S AN INTERNAL PERSON OR AN EXTERNAL PERSON. SO I DO WANT THAT. AND AS PART OF THE INTERVIEW AND ASSESSMENT OF ALL THE CANDIDATES, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE BODY DECIDES TODAY ON THE OPTIONS, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE DIRECTORS PARTICIPATE IN THE CANDIDATE SELECTION OR IN THE DISCUSSIONS AND INTERVIEWS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. I REALLY WANT TO HEAR FROM DIRECTORS KIND OF THEIR

ASSESSMENT OF THE CANDIDATES. >> WE CAN BUILD THAT IN. >> THANK YOU.

>> HOLLAND I'D LIKE TO PROCEED WITH OPTION THREE. I THINK WE HAVE LOTS OF TALENT RIGHT HERE.

I THINK WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT KNOW THE LAY OF THE LAND THAT ARE READY TO GO TO WORK, THAT BEEN WORKING. I THINK I THINK THAT'S THE THAT'S THE BEST THING. JUST JUST GET TO TAKE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, OF, OF TALENT THAT'S ALREADY HERE. OKAY.

>> AND CAN I ASK, IS THAT FOR IN-HOUSE OR DIRECT APPOINTMENT? >> DIRECT APPOINTMENT. OKAY.

>> OKAY. WHO ELSE? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PERRY. THANK YOU. AND WHILE I DON'T DISAGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND AT ALL, THAT WE DON'T THAT WE DO INDEED HAVE GREAT TALENT HERE. I STILL WANT TO ECHO COUNCILWOMAN MOORE'S. OPTION ONE. I THINK ONE THING WE EXPERIENCED ON THIS LAST SIX MONTHS OF CAMPAIGNING IS THE WANT FROM THE PUBLIC TO HAVE MORE OF THAT TRANSPARENT PROCESS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LEADERSHIP POSITIONS SUCH AS THE CITY MANAGER. MY ONLY QUESTION, I GUESS, IS IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE ON THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS IS THERE FOR LIKE THE FINALISTS AND OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO ASK QUESTIONS IN LIKE A TOWN HALL SETTING, LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST?

>> ABSOLUTELY, YES. IT ACTUALLY GOES INTO THERE'S A PHASE SPECIFIC TO THAT WHERE WE WOULD

DO IT'S A STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT PHASE. >> OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW.

>> IF THAT WAS. YEAH, WE COULD SET THOSE COMMUNITY DISCUSSIONS. >> EXCELLENT. THEN YES. I WOULD

ALSO LIKE TO SEE OPTION ONE, PLEASE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> WHO ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM.

YEAH. I'M EAGER TO HEAR EVERYONE. >> ELSE'S OPINION BEFORE I GIVE DIRECTION, BUT I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. IF I CAN REMEMBER THEM, I HATE GOD, I HATE WHEN THAT HAPPENS. AND I'M SO. I GUESS AS FAR AS THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS GOES, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, LIKE, WELL, LOGISTICALLY, LIKE WHEN WE GET APPLICATIONS IN. DOES COUNCIL

HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW EACH APPLICATION. >> SO YOU WOULDN'T REVIEW EACH APPLICATION? THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DEFER TO THE EXECUTIVE FIRM. THEY WOULD ACTUALLY KIND OF NARROW IT DOWN AND THEN BRING YOU A POOL OF SEMIFINALISTS. AND THEN FROM THERE, WE WOULD KIND OF SKINNY IT DOWN AGAIN TO YOUR FINALISTS AS WE GO THROUGH. SO THERE'S A SEMIFINALIST POOL, THEN WE TAKE IT BACK AND WE WOULD GO THROUGH A QUESTIONNAIRE. THERE'S A VIDEO INTERVIEW PHASE AND THEN IT GOES TO A FINALIST PHASE. SO THERE'S MULTIPLE MULTIPLE LAYERS TO THAT. BUT YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THE ENTIRE APPLICANT POOL. THEY'RE GOING

TO NARROW IT DOWN AND BRING YOU THE BEST QUALIFIED CANDIDATES. >> OKAY. AND THEN JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, UNDER OPTION THREE, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT IN-HOUSE RECRUITMENT, IS THAT STATING THAT THAT AS AN ALTERNATIVE DECISION THAT IN-HOUSE, LIKE WE ONLY INTERVIEW FOLKS THAT.

>> ARE CITY EMPLOYEES? >> OKAY. SO IT'S NOT US DOING OUR OWN RECRUITMENT NATIONWIDE.

>> YOU, I MEAN, I GUESS YOU COULD INTERPRET IT BOTH WAYS. WE COULD HANDLE IT INTERNALLY.

SO WHICH I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND US DOING THAT. OR YOU COULD ALSO OPEN IT UP INTERNALLY AS

WELL. I MEAN, YOU COULD TAKE THAT EITHER. >> WAY, JUST SO I KNOW WHY. OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHY DO YOU NOT RECOMMEND US, US DOING IT OURSELVES?

>> US HANDLING IT INTERNALLY. I THINK IT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. WE REPORT UP TO THE

CITY MANAGER ULTIMATELY. >> MAKES SENSE. AND THEN. YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS OPTION ONE IS CONCERNED, IT'S IT'S A QUESTION I HAVE AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN BE ANSWERED IN OPEN SESSION.

SO I'LL ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY. I MEAN, AS FAR AS LIKE WHEN THE PROCESS WERE TO START WOULD BE

IN SOME WAYS BASED OFF OF. >> NOT NECESSARILY BASED ON THE CURRENT CONTRACT. YOU CAN START

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IT AT ANY TIME. >> CAN CAN I ASK, CAN I, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ASK, IS

THERE AN END DATE ON THE CURRENT CONTRACT? >> CERTAINLY YOU CAN ASK THAT.

LET ME GIVE ME A MINUTE. I'LL FIND IT FOR YOU. >> OKAY.

>> WELL, IT'S IN APRIL OF 27 IS WHEN IT HURT. THE CURRENT CONTRACT WOULD END IF WE'RE.

>> I'VE READ MULTIPLE THINGS, SO I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. THAT'S ACCURATE. OKAY.

>> YEAH. I THINK WHEN I READ IT LAST NIGHT, IT SAYS THAT THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER CAN SERVE UNTIL RECRUITMENT PROCESS AND SOMEONE SELECTED AND IT'S UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 12 MONTHS. SO AT ANY POINT IN BETWEEN, I THINK IS YEAH, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A DEFINITIVE END DATE. YEAH.

>> OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. SO THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS FOR

NOW. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL.

>> THANK YOU MAYOR. SO IF WE DID PURSUE OPTION ONE, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO, I GUESS, REQUIRE THE OUTSIDE FIRM TO INCLUDE MULTIPLE IN-HOUSE OPTIONS. SO MAKE SURE THEY INCLUDE SOME

FOLKS WHO ARE CURRENTLY SERVING THE CITY OF DENTON. >> SURE WE CAN. WE WOULD WANT TO PROVIDE THEM THE APPLICANTS THAT WE HAVE IN-HOUSE. NOW, I GUESS YOU COULD TELL THEM WHO YOU WANT TO BRING FORWARD. ULTIMATELY, IT'S UP TO YOU ALL WHO YOU BRING FORWARD AS SEMIFINALISTS AND FINALISTS, BUT WE ALSO WOULD WANT TO DEFER TO THEIR EXPERTISE WHEN WE'RE

MAKING THOSE SELECTIONS. >> GOTCHA. THANK YOU. >> SO, COUNCIL MEMBER, IS THAT

AN IS THAT AN OPTION ONE. >> MY DIRECTION IS I'M IN FAVOR OF OPTION THREE DIRECT APPOINTMENT WITHOUT EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT ALONGSIDE COUNCILMAN HALL.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WHO ELSE? WE GOT TWO. THREE. OKAY, SO YOU STILL HAVEN'T GIVEN DIRECTION, RIGHT? THAT'S OKAY. I'M NOT PRESSURING. I'M JUST SAYING. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON OPTION ONE, AND I'M JUST GOING TO SHARE WHAT MY THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE I THINK I'M IN FAVOR OF A RECRUITMENT PROCESS, PRIMARILY BECAUSE I THINK IT PROVIDES JUST, YOU KNOW, A LEVEL OF NOT TRANSPARENCY, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU GET IT. AND PLUS, NOTHING PREVENTS ANYONE THAT WORKS FOR THE CITY TO APPLY. AND IF THEY MAKE IT THROUGH THE FINALISTS, THAT'S GREAT. IF NOT, THE CITY COUNCIL COULD SAY WE WANT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> OKAY. I GUESS MY THOUGHT IS WHEN YOU SAY IT'S ONLY FOUR MONTHS, THAT IT COULD THAT THE TIME COULD ONLY TAKE FOUR MONTHS, THAT PUTS US RIGHT AT THE END OF THE BUDGET BUDGET PROCESS, OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER. AND I JUST I STRUGGLE WITH SOMEONE WHO'S, YOU KNOW, BEEN APPOINTED BY THE LAST COUNCIL IN MARCH. I GUESS I'M SAYING I'M ALL FOR OPTION ONE, BUT I'D LIKE TO KIND OF GIVE THAT SOME TIME TO GET SOME OTHER THINGS

UNDER THE BELT. >> WE SET THE TIMELINE. SO JUST THE PRELIMINARY TIMELINE SAYS THIS COULD TAKE FOUR MONTHS. WE COULD DO IT IN AS FAST AS FOUR MONTHS. ULTIMATELY, WE WILL WORK TOGETHER AND WE WILL PUT THE DATES TO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THEM BEING.

>> ALL RIGHT, I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION.

>> I MEAN. I'VE STRUGGLED WITH THIS A LOT. I'VE STRUGGLED WITH THIS A LOT. AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY. ON ONE HAND, THE COMMUNITY WANTS TRANSPARENCY. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS A GOOD THING. I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT THAT'S PERCEIVED IS HAVING A PROCESS THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE. AND ALSO SITTING IN THIS SEAT, YOU GET A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE AS WELL. AND SO IT'S, IT'S TWO CONFLICTING FACTORS FOR ME THAT I'VE REALLY HAD TO WRESTLE WITH BECAUSE LIKE, WITHOUT NAMING NAMES, AS FAR AS LIKE CURRENT STAFF GOES, I REALLY ADMIRE THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

AND IT'S NOT JUST CITY MANAGEMENT. WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIKE INTERIM CHIEF SOLACE.

LIKE THIS IS THE ONLY DEPARTMENT WHERE HE SERVED, YOU KNOW, AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT.

LIKE THAT'S INCREDIBLE. LIKE WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE PEOPLE LIKE THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT, THAT WANT TO STAY HERE THROUGH THICK AND THIN. WE HAVE AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER WHO HAS LIVED HERE HER WHOLE LIFE. I WANT A CITY MANAGER THAT KNOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE THREE KROGER'S THAT WE HAVE. YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE OUR LAST THREE CITY MANAGERS REALLY WEREN'T FROM HERE. YOU KNOW, GEORGE CAMPBELL

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>> I REALLY DON'T KNOW, CHIEF. >> SO. >> AND SO AND SO. I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT. DONE THAT IN A BIT. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ON THE OTHER. AND SO LIKE, MY BIAS IS VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT I WANT WITHOUT EXPLICITLY SAYING IT AT THE SAME TIME, TO EVERYONE ELSE'S POINT, WHO'S IN SUPPORT OF OPTION ONE? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT AN INSURANCE POLICY OR DOUBLE CHECKING OR DOING YOUR HOMEWORK, OR MAKING SURE I DON'T FIND IT UNREASONABLE TO. EXPAND THAT SEARCH NATIONWIDE. ONE QUESTION I HAVE WITH THAT, THOUGH, IS LIKE, I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN NEGOTIATE THAT CONTRACT, THAT IF WE STAYED WITH SOMEONE IN-HOUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A 20% DISCOUNT? LIKE, IS THAT A THING?

>> NO, THE CONTRACT HAS ALREADY BEEN EXECUTED. >> I SEE, OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS FOR NOW. >> OKAY. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER CHESTER.

>> FIRST, I, I APOLOGIZE. I'M GOING TO TAKE A POINT OF PRIVILEGE. MY PHONE HAS BEEN BLOWING UP. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY MR. HUDSPETH'S PHONE HAS BEEN BLOWING UP. BUT I'M SORRY.

I'M DISTRACTED. WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT JOHN BAINES HAS PASSED AWAY, AND I'M. I'M SORRY, I JUST. BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW AND. A LONG TIME FRIEND OF PROBABLY MANY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM AND A PUBLIC SERVANT AND ALL AROUND GREAT PERSON. BUT ANYWAYS, I SO SORRY. I JUST WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT. AND YEAH, I THINK THAT I, EVEN THOUGH I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE IN OUR, THE BIRD IN OUR HAND, I THINK THAT IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY TO PROCEED WITH OPTION ONE. I THINK THAT GOING THROUGH THE TESTING AND SHOWING EVERYONE WHO IS RECEIVING THIS POSITION IS TRULY THE BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB. I MEAN, I, I'D FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH OPTION THREE. HOWEVER, WHAT I THINK IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR CITY IS OPTION ONE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIRECTION I WOULD GIVE. AND I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF WHAT OUR MAYOR DISCUSSED AS FAR AS NOT GETTING INTO THE THICK OF IT DURING THE BUDGET, WHEN WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS GOING ON. I THINK WE HAVE TIME AND WE'VE GOT KIND OF WHAT WE'VE CALLED KIND OF A WORKING INTERVIEW. SO I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF MAYBE NOT KICKING IT OFF FULL STEAM UNTIL AFTER THAT TIME. AND I THINK THAT THE POTENTIAL CANDIDATE IN OPTION THREE WOULD BE ALL RIGHT WITH THAT AS WELL. FROM THE DISCUSSIONS THAT THE PRIOR COUNCIL HAD WITH HER IN CLOSED SESSION. SO THAT'S MY DIRECTION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND SORRY FOR THE SIDEBAR. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

I DO OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH THE FAMILY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING THAT. THANK YOU. WELL, I'M GOING TO ECHO COUNCILMEMBER JESTER'S COMMENTS. I THINK FOR ME, EVERYBODY KNOWS ONE OF MY MANTRAS IS I TRUST THE PROCESS AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO GO WITH HERE.

UNDERSTANDING THAT WE VERY WELL COULD END UP IN THE SAME PLACE WITH OPTION ONE AND OPTION THREE, BUT THAT WE'VE WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS. MY CONCERN WITH THAT IS THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T DO IT IN A WAY THAT REALLY PROVIDES UNDUE BURDEN AND PRESSURE ON CITY STAFF. CRITICAL TIMES THATS COUNCIL HAS TO DELIBERATE, AND THAT IS DURING THE BUDGET. SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO WITH OPTION ONE. AND NO WAY IS THAT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL. IT'S JUST SIMPLY SAYING, I TRUST THE PROCESS. IN THE END. NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT THAT WE HAVE FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE INDICATED OPTION ONE, WHICH MEANS THAT WE HAVE DIRECTION. I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER STEPHENS, MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT HASN'T SAID ANYTHING. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING. WE'VE WE'VE GOT

DIRECTION. YES, YES. >> I APOLOGIZE. I IT IS OPTION ONE THEN. YEAH, I, I MUST NOT HAVE MADE THAT CLEAR. IT'S OPTION ONE. I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THE TIMELINE. SURE.

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COLLECTING APPLICATIONS? >> SO THAT'S USUALLY A YES. SO THAT'S USUALLY A PART OF THE FIRST PHASE. SO WHEN WE DO STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ALL. SO WE CAN DEVELOP THE CANDIDATE PROFILE. THAT INFORMATION COLLECTING PHASE TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. AND SO ONCE WE HAVE ALL OF THAT, THEN WE CAN TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION AND DEVELOP OUT THE TIMELINE FROM THERE. SO YOU ALL WILL PARTICIPATE IN THAT AS A PART OF THE FIRST PHASE. SO REALLY, WE JUST NEED TO DETERMINE WHEN WE WANT TO START.

AND THEN WE CAN START HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO BUILD OUT THE PROFILE AND THE

TIMELINE. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. I MEAN, CAN WE START

THAT PART NOW? >> IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY, IF YOU WANT TO, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT TO THAT. I MEAN, IT'S STILL MEETINGS AND CONVERSATIONS. SO IF YOU'RE NOT WANTING TO PUT THAT ON TOP OF BUDGET STUFF, I WOULDN'T START IT NOW.

>> OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. >> I THINK FOR ME, I PERSONALLY, WHAT I'M TO UNDERSTAND IS IT'S NOT TILL THE SEMIFINALISTS ROUND THAT, LIKE WE'RE REALLY GETTING INTO THE THICK OF IT.

DOES THAT SOUND FAIR TO SAY? >> FOR THE MOST PART, YES. >> SO I WOULD THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE, IN MY OPINION, MANAGEABLE TO START THE FIRST PART OF THE PROCESS AND THEN HAVE THAT LONGER SIX PLUS MONTH TIMELINE. BUT I ALSO DEFER TO MY COLLEAGUES IF THEY THINK THAT WE NEED TO WAIT LONGER TO EVEN START PART ONE, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT WE DON'T WANT, IN THE MIDDLE OF OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER TO BE INTERVIEWING SEMIFINALISTS.

>> WE COULD EVEN, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT CONVERSATION OR HAVE THOSE PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS, MAYBE IN THE AUGUST TIME FRAME, THEY'RE GOING TO GO AWAY FOR A LITTLE BIT. ONCE THEY GET THAT INFORMATION FROM US, THEY'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH AND FIND IT OR FIND OUR CANDIDATES TO BRING BACK. SO THERE IS A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE WE WON'T HAVE THAT MUCH INTERACTION WITH THEM. I

WILL, YOU GUYS WON'T AT THAT POINT. >> YES. COUNCILMEMBER JESTER.

>> I'LL JUST SAY JUST AND THIS IS JUST SELFISHLY, I HOPE THERE'LL BE SOME GRACE IN KICKING IT OFF BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE GOT TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS IN AUGUST, AND THEN I'M GOING TO BE OUT OF TOWN FOR A LITTLE BIT. AND SO HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE SOME IT WON'T BE A STRICT

TIMELINE COMING UP THIS SUMMER. THANK YOU. >> YEAH. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE WANT TO KIND OF START FORWARD, BUT MAYBE IN AUGUST TO REALLY START PUTTING THE PRELIMINARY THINGS TOGETHER. AND THAT BUYS US SOME TIME. IS THAT IS THAT WAS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT YOU SAID? IS THAT OR WOULD YOU WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT?

>> SORRY. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE PROCESS THAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH WITH EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT, WITH OTHER BOARDS. I'VE BEEN ON THAT. I MEAN, THERE MAY BE A MEETING UPFRONT WITH THE VENDOR, THE GROUP THAT WE HAVE HIRED AS FAR AS CONSIDERING WHAT IT IS WE'RE LOOKING FOR. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'RE GOING TO GO AWAY FOR A WHILE.

SO A MEETING IS ONE THING. IF WE'RE GOING TO START HAVING MULTIPLE MEETINGS.

>> DURING THE WEEK. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. MIGHT BE A PROBLEM FOR

SUMMERTIME AND OTHER PEOPLE'S PLANS AS WELL. >> SO WE WILL ULTIMATELY NEED TO, THEY'LL WANT TO MEET WITH EACH OF YOU AND SIT DOWN AND SEE WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT IN THE NEXT CITY MANAGER THEY'LL WANT SO WE CAN DEVELOP THAT PROFILE TOGETHER. SO WE'LL DO THAT. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME WORKING WITH EACH OF YOUR INDIVIDUAL SCHEDULES, AS WELL AS ANY OTHER STAKEHOLDERS THAT YOU ALL IDENTIFY. YOU SAID YOU WANT THE DIRECTORS TO PARTICIPATE, SO WE WOULD WANT SOME INFORMATION FROM THE DIRECTORS ON WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE IN THE NEXT CITY MANAGER. I MEAN, DEPENDING ON HOW FAR OF A SCOPE, THAT COULD TAKE US SOME TIME TO GET ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS SCHEDULED AND FOR THE EXECUTIVE FIRM TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. SO IF WE STARTED THAT IN AUGUST, I MEAN, IT COULD TAKE THEM A FEW WEEKS

TO DO THAT OR WHENEVER YOU GUYS ARE READY. >> OKAY.

>> SEPTEMBER. >> ALL RIGHT. IS THAT EVERYBODY OKAY? YES. COUNCILMEMBER RUMOHR.

>> I'M JUST TO MAKE EVERYBODY FEEL, I GUESS, A LITTLE MORE SECURE ABOUT WHERE EVERYBODY IS.

I'M I'M FLEXIBLE ON TIMING. I TRUST OUR OUR AGENDA COMMITTEE AND, YOU KNOW, ON TIMING OF WHEN WE COULD START. I'M OPEN TO THE TALKING TO THE, THE FIRM. I'M OKAY WITH DELAYING THAT A LITTLE BIT. IF IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S HIGHER PRIORITIES WITH BUDGET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I'M FLEXIBLE ON TIMELINE. >> GREAT. ALL RIGHT. IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE DIRECTION.

FANTASTIC. ALL. >> STILL HERE. ABSOLUTELY. >> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD

[E. ID 26-1041 Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the appointment and employment of the Municipal Judge, including discussion of recruitment strategy, desired candidate profile, and national search process. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]]

GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE APPOINTMENT AND APPOINTMENT OF THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE, INCLUDING DISCUSSION ON RECRUITMENT STRATEGY, DESIRED CANDIDATE PROFILE, NATIONAL

SEARCH PROCESS. >> OKAY, SO THE SECOND ITEM WE HAVE TODAY IS THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE RECRUITMENT. WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS HOW YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THAT PROCESS. SO JUDGE ATKINSON'S LAST DAY WAS MAY 17TH. JUDGE CYNTHIA BIRKETT HAS BEEN

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HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> QUESTIONS. DIRECTION. YES, MAYOR PRO TEM.

>> A QUESTION AND THEN DIRECTION. I'M GOING TO SOUND LIKE A CHEAPSKATE THROUGHOUT ALL THESE QUESTIONS, BUT LIKE, CAN YOU USE THE SAME FIRM? OF COURSE. OKAY. WE.

>> GO AHEAD. YOU CAN, BUT WE WOULD. >> PUT IT THROUGH OUR PROCUREMENT PROCESS AND AT LEAST SOLICIT AND LOOK AT WHAT TYPE OF PROPOSALS COME BACK.

AND THE COSTS DO VARY. THE CITY MANAGER ONE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IS PRETTY LOW. YEAH.

PROBABLY THE JUDGE AND SOME OF OUR OTHER DIRECTOR RECRUITMENTS HAVE BEEN.

>> THAT ONE'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE NICHE. IT COULD END UP COSTING US A PERCENTAGE OF SALARY, BUT TO CHRISTINE'S POINT, IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE

FORMAL PROCESS, BUT WE COULD END UP SELECTING THE SAME FIRM. >> OKAY. YEAH. OPTION ONE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER GESTURE. THANK YOU. >> FOR ME, THIS IS A DIFFERENT THIS IS A DIFFERENT POSITION AND A DIFFERENT SITUATION. I WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH OPTION THREE. IN THIS INSTANCE, WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT HAD BEEN DOING THE JOB FILLING IN AS TYPICALLY THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE. IF THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE SOMETIMES 24 OVER SEVEN NATURE OF WHAT THEY DO, WE HAVE SEVERAL ATTORNEYS THAT HAVE ALSO BEEN ACTING AS MUNICIPAL JUDGE PART TIME FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. SO I THINK WE HAVE MANY EXCELLENT CANDIDATES IN-HOUSE. AND AS FAR AS CYNTHIA BURKETT, SHE IS WHO OUR PREVIOUS MUNICIPAL JUDGE, THAT I BELIEVE THE LAST COUNCIL WAS VERY HAPPY WITH THE WORK AND INNOVATIONS, ETC. THAT WERE PERFORMED THERE. HIS RECOMMENDATION WAS CYNTHIA BURKETT. I THINK SHE'S CURRENTLY IN THE POSITION IS DOING QUITE WELL. I SHE'S GOT A GOOD REPUTATION. SHE IS NOT A PERSONAL, YOU KNOW, GOOD FRIEND. SHE'S AN ACQUAINTANCE, BUT I KNOW HER REPUTATION IN THE LEGAL COMMUNITY. I'VE SEEN HER AT WORK. I THINK SHE'S VERY UNBIASED, VERY EVEN KEEL. AND SO IN THIS INSTANCE, I THINK WE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DIRECT APPOINTMENT WITHOUT EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT. I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY WITH THE TRACK RECORD OF THE MULTIPLE IN-HOUSE CANDIDATES THAT WE WOULD HAVE. AND I PERSONALLY THINK CYNTHIA BURKETT'S DOING A GREAT JOB,

AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. THANK YOU. >> COUNCILMEMBER VILLARREAL.

COUNCILMEMBER. >> THANK YOU MAYOR. AND I THINK COUNCILMAN JESTER JUST ANSWERED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, BUT JUDGE BURKETT IS INTERESTED IN PURSUING THE FULL TIME POSITION.

RIGHT? SHE IS OKAY. I'M IN FAVOR OF OPTION THREE. DIRECT APPOINTMENT WITHOUT EXECUTIVE

RECRUITMENT. >> COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND. >> MY FIRST SPEEDING TICKET WAS THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE AT THAT TIME WAS TOM JESTER. AND WE MET AND WE MET IN THE BASEMENT AT WHAT WAS AT THAT TIME, DENTON SAVINGS ASSOCIATION. AND HE FOUND ME GUILTY. AND I PROBABLY WAS, BUT STILL A LITTLE, LITTLE, LITTLE, LITTLE STEAMED ABOUT THAT. THE, THE WONDERFUL ADVANTAGE THAT WE'VE HAD WITH I DON'T KNOW, JUDGE BURKETT. I WOULD KNOW HER IF SHE WALKED IN.

BUT THE WONDERFUL ADVANTAGE THAT WE'VE HAD WITH HER IS THAT WE'VE HAD WE'VE HAD A TEST DRIVE WITH HER FOR SOME TIME AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE HOW SHE WORKS. JUDGE ATKINSON LIKED HER. I THINK WE'VE GOT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. LET'S GET TO WORK. OPTION THREE. DIRECT

APPOINTMENT. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? YES. >> I CAN CONCUR WITH THAT.

OPTION THREE DIRECT APPOINTMENT. >> OPTION THREE. ALL RIGHT. IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE. I'LL JUST GIVE MY FEEDBACK. I WOULD STILL PROBABLY GO WITH OPTION ONE FOR THE VERY SAME REASONS THAT I

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>> IF WE'RE DOING A DIRECT APPOINTMENT, THEN YOU ALL WOULD MAKE A DECISION ON WHO IT IS.

OKAY. I MEAN, THERE WOULDN'T BE AN APPLICATION. IT WOULD BE. SO YOU ALL HAVE, YOU KNOW, DECIDED

AS A BODY WHO YOU WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT FOR THE. OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER

RUMOHR. >> I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE SOME OPTIONS BEFORE WE MAKE THIS SELECTION, BUT I'M GOOD WITH OPTION THREE WITH SOME OPTIONS EFFECTIVELY. YEAH.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER. >> I WOULD RECOMMEND THE SIMILAR PROCESS TO THE LAST COUNCIL, WHEREIN WE RECEIVED THE RESUMES OF ALL OF THE. ASSOCIATE ASSOCIATE MUNICIPAL JUDGES THAT HAVE BEEN SERVING WITH US. LET'S FIND OUT WHICH ONE OF. I THINK THERE MAY BE MORE THAN ONE THAT'S INTERESTED. I'M NOT SURE. BUT. AND THEN, OF COURSE, HAVE THIS COUNCIL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE CANDIDATE OR CANDIDATES, EVEN THOUGH I WOULD BE FINE WITH MOVING FORWARD. NOT EVERYONE, OF COURSE, HAS HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT ALL THE RESUMES AND SPEAK TO THE CANDIDATES. SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY, DID YOU HAVE DID. I THOUGHT I SAW YOU, YES.

>> I WAS JUST WANTING TO SEE CLARIFICATION ON WHERE THE OPTION THREE FOLK WERE BECAUSE I HEARD DIRECT APPOINTMENT WITHOUT EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT, WHICH IS WHY I WAS ALSO A LITTLE CONFUSED. BUT I'M HEARING MORE IN-HOUSE RECRUITMENT FOR OPTION THREE IS WHAT FOLKS ARE SAYING. I STILL AGREE THAT OPTION ONE WAS MY IS. MY PRIMARY IS WHERE I'M HEADING, BUT I THINK IN-HOUSE RECRUITMENT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND TOOL FOR THIS

SPECIFIC TYPE OF APPOINTMENT AS WELL. >> SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS IN-HOUSE VERSUS DIRECT. I MEAN, DIRECT MEANS YOU GUYS JUST WANT TO PICK SOMEBODY IN-HOUSE WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD EVALUATE RESUMES AND LOOK AT OUR ASSOCIATE

JUDGES OR WHOEVER MAY BE INTERESTED. >> OKAY. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE NOW THAT WE GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE CLARIFICATION ON THE DIRECTION.

SO WHAT BASED UPON WHAT YOU JUST SAID, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER, WHAT YOU SHARED, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE IN-HOUSE RECRUITMENT IS WHAT I'M HEARING, OR I GUESS I NEED EVERYBODY TO RESTATE THEIR DIRECTION, THOSE WITH CLARIFICATION ON IN-HOUSE RECRUITMENT, OR YOU'RE JUST SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO APPOINT A PERSON INSTEAD OF SOLICITING RESUMES LIKE YOU SUGGESTED AND SO FORTH. SO I'M GOING TO JUST GO AROUND THE HORN COUNCIL MEMBER RUMOHR.

>> OPTION THREE IN-HOUSE RECRUITMENT. >> OKAY.

>> OPTION THREE IN-HOUSE RECRUITMENT. >> OKAY, I THINK.

>> I WOULD GO WITH DIRECT APPOINTMENT. >> OKAY.

>> BUT I THINK I KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADED. >> COUNCILMAN PERRY.

>> OPTION ONE. >> DIRECT APPOINTMENT. >> I'M OPTION ONE, BUT WE NEED

TO HIT FOR TO HAVE SOME DIRECTION. >> RIGHT?

>> SO I'M GOING TO PICK THE SECOND BEST. I WANT TO BE ON THE RECORD. I'M FOR OPTION ONE BECAUSE I. BUT I'M GOING TO GO WITH OPTION THREE IN-HOUSE RECRUITMENT SO THAT WE CAN GET

FOR. >> YES. AND I THINK I'LL GO WITH OPTION THREE IN-HOUSE RECRUITMENT. THAT SEEMS TO BE, I BELIEVE, WHAT THE DIRECTION IS AT THIS TIME.

>> I'M GOOD. >> ALL RIGHT. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THAT IT? YEAH.

>> I'M STILL HERE, SO. >> OH. OH, OKAY. SO. ALL RIGHT, SO THEN WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM

[F. ID 26-0626 Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on pending City Council requests for: 1) City Council Member disclosure of private meetings with developers 2) Structural changes to Section 2-279 of the City’s Ethics Ordinance 3) Temporary moratorium on new permit applications for multifamily development. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 25 minutes]]

THREE F, WHICH IS ID 26-0626. >> YEAH. WE NEED TO SET THE ROOM.

>> WHAT'S THAT. >> WE HAVE ONE MORE. >> YOU DO HAVE ONE MORE.

>> OH YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. RECEIVE REPORT. WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON PENDING CITY COUNCIL REQUEST FOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER DISCLOSURE.

PRIVATE MEETINGS WITH DEVELOPERS. STRUCTURAL CHANGES TO SECTION 2-279, THE CITY ETHICS ORDINANCE AND TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ON NEW PERMIT APPLICATIONS FOR MULTIFAMILY.

AND WE'LL JUST TAKE THOSE IN ORDER ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT. WHO KEEPS THE TIME? OKAY.

>> OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL KRISTI FOGLE, CHIEF OF STAFF AND INTERIM CITY SECRETARY, HERE TO PRESENT THE TWO MINUTE PITCH ITEMS AS A REMINDER. AND FOR THOSE NEW ON THE COUNCIL, THE WE CAN HAVE UP TO SEVEN TWO MINUTE PITCHES ON EACH AGENDA, ONE PER COUNCIL MEMBER STAFF WILL INTRODUCE EACH REQUEST, AND THEN THE REQUESTING COUNCIL MEMBER WILL HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES TO DESCRIBE AND JUSTIFY THEIR REQUEST. REMAINING COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL HAVE UP TO ONE MINUTE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND INDICATE THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE USE OF CITY STAFF. TIME TO RESPOND TO THE REQUEST. STAFF WILL RESPOND TO ALL REQUESTS

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MAYOR PRO TEM STEPHENS. >> YES. >> IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT

FOUR WAS NECESSARY TO PROCEED. >> WHAT WAS CORRECT? YES, YES. >> SO, FOUR, TO MOVE FORWARD.

SIX IF IT WAS REQUESTED TO GO STRAIGHT TO A RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> TO SKIP ALL OF THE WORK SESSION AGENDA COMMITTEE.

>> YES. OKAY. JUST AS A REMINDER, AND WE ALL ARE AWARE OF THIS, BUT THESE TWO MINUTE PITCHES ARE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, A WORK SESSION ABOUT THE PARTICULAR SUBJECT MATTER. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT VOTING TO EITHER APPROVE OR DENY THE CONCEPT OR THE ISSUE OR THE STATEMENT. WE'RE JUST SIMPLY, DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, TO CONSIDER WHAT WE WANT TO DECISION WE WILL MAKE ON THAT. SO WE WILL START. I'M HAVING TO KEEP THIS ON MY PHONE, SO Y'ALL JUST BEAR WITH ME. COUNCIL MEMBER MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU HAVE

THE FLOOR. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. >> THANK YOU. THIS WILL FEEL LIKE DEJA VU TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND, BECAUSE I THINK YOU ACTUALLY MADE A VERY SIMILAR PITCH, LIKE TWO YEARS AND TWO MONTHS AGO. AND SO I'M REQUESTING A TWO MINUTE PITCH TO HAVE A WORK SESSION ON DEVELOPING A POLICY THAT WOULD REQUIRE CITY COUNCILORS TO DISCLOSE PRIVATE MEETINGS THAT THEY HAVE WITH DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE PENDING MATTERS BEFORE COUNCIL IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, WHICH IS JUST I WANT US TO PROMOTE MORE, PROMOTE MORE TRANSPARENCY.

THIS IS NOT AN OPINION ON WHETHER OR NOT ONE SHOULD MEET WITH A DEVELOPER AT ALL. IT'S IT'S ABOUT PUBLIC PERCEPTION AND IT'S ABOUT OUR, IN MY OPINION, OBLIGATION TO ALWAYS TRY TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE WITH EVERYTHING WE DO NATURALLY. THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT COME UP WITH A POLICY LIKE THIS, LIKE WHAT IS A DEVELOPER? WHAT'S A PENDING MATTER? WHAT IS A MEETING, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE THE MOST TALENTED CITY ATTORNEY THAT COULD PROVIDE THAT KIND OF STUFF FOR US IN OUR WORK SESSION TO HELP FORM A POLICY LIKE THIS. AND SO THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING FOR YOU ALL TO

SUPPORT THIS LOW MEDIUM PRIORITY. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. WE'LL START AT THE END

THERE. COUNCIL MEMBER RUMOHR. >> APPRECIATE IT. I SUPPORT THIS AND JUST BASED ON TIME

SENSITIVITY, I'LL GO WITH LOW. >> COUNCILMEMBER. >> THANK YOU. MAYOR, I THINK WE'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, MANY CALLS FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WE NEED MORE TRANSPARENCY IN

THIS PROCESS. SO I SUPPORT MODERATE LEVEL. >> ANYONE ELSE? YES.

COUNCILMEMBER. >> JESTER YEAH, I MEAN, I IT DOES RAISE QUESTIONS AS FAR AS HOW IT'S ENFORCEABLE. WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE DOESN'T DO IT? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW IF MEETINGS AND I FEEL LIKE THE BAD ACTORS AREN'T GOING TO REPORT IT ANYWAYS. AND THAT'S NOT REALLY AS HELPFUL AND IT ADDS BUREAUCRACY. HOWEVER, I'M CERTAINLY NOT ANTI TRANSPARENCY,

SO I VOTE IN FAVOR OF LET'S CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL

MEMBER PERRY. >> I ALSO VOTE THIS FORWARD WITH MEDIUM PRIORITY LEVEL AS WELL. YEAH. AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION TO HELP PARSE OUT SOME OF THOSE TALKING

POINTS. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? YEAH. I MEAN, I'M IN FAVOR OF MEDIUM PRIORITY. JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, WE DO HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT IT'S VOLUNTARY, BUT THAT IT HAPPENED WHEN WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH ANYWAY WHERE COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN DISCLOSE TO THE CITY MANAGER THAT THEY'VE HAD MEETINGS, BUT IT'S NOT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT MANDATORY. SO WE'VE HAD THAT VOLUNTARY KIND OF RESOLUTION FOR, FOR A FEW YEARS NOW. SO I THINK THAT HAS TO AT LEAST GO TO A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS. AND SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE THEN, WHICH IS NUMBER TWO STRUCTURAL CHANGES. SECTION 2-279, THE CITY ETHICS ORDINANCE. AND I BELIEVE, COUNCILMEMBER, THAT WAS YOURS. IS THAT RIGHT? LET ME LET ME GET THE CLOCK SET UP FOR YOU. OKAY. I'LL GIVE YOU A FEW EXTRA SECONDS.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS MY FIRST TWO MINUTE PITCH. YAY! I ACROSS THE ELECTION CYCLE, RIGHT AT ALMOST EVERY SINGLE CANDIDATE FORUM, WE WERE ASKED ABOUT HOW DO WE

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CAN GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE QUICKLY. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER.

>> THANK YOU FOR THIS PITCH. I HAVE SEEN THE NEED AS WELL AND I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT IT FORWARD. I DO WANT TO BE SPECIFIC THAT THIS IS IN REGARDS AS MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I JUST WANT TO STATE THAT THIS IS WHAT I'M IN FAVOR OF. ANONYMOUS. THE ABILITY TO HAVE ANONYMOUS COMPLAINTS FROM STAFF REGARDING COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT STAFF VERSUS STAFF. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MEMBERS OF, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE IN LITTLE ELM AT A COUNCIL MEMBER FOR, YOU KNOW, A DEAL GONE WRONG, ETC. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IS

THAT CORRECT? >> YES, THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IN THINKING OF LEADERSHIP, LIKE THERE IS THAT HR OBVIOUSLY COULD BE THAT THIRD PARTY AGENT AS WELL. SO YES, SPECIFIC TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I'M IN FAVOR. YES. THANK YOU.

>> YES, COUNCILMEMBER VILLARREAL. >> THANK YOU MAYOR, I'M IN

FAVOR. HIGH PRIORITY. >> OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM. >> I'M IN FAVOR. HIGH PRIORITY.

>> COUNCILMEMBER RUMOHR. >> IN FAVOR. HIGH PRIORITY. >> YEAH, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO BE IN FAVOR. HIGH PRIORITY. I THINK THIS WAS YOU KNOW THIS WAS DISCUSSED. AND YOU KNOW IT'S ALL IT'S ALL SCAR TISSUE. WE LEARN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THINGS HAPPEN TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO KEEP IT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT. ALL RIGHT. HIGH PRIORITY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN WE'LL GO. I THINK THE NEXT ONE IS MINE. THE LAST ONE IS MINE. LET ME START. OH I'M GOING TO ACCIDENTALLY GIVE MYSELF FOUR MINUTES. NO I'M KIDDING, I'M KIDDING. I'M TEASING. HERE WE GO. HERE WE GO.

YEAH, YEAH. THIS IS THIS IS VERY SIMPLE. AND AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO REEMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS JUST TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST 5 OR 6 MONTHS HOW THAT IF YOU HAD ASKED ME WHAT WAS WITH ALL THE APARTMENTS BEING BUILT, AND OF COURSE, WE'VE ALL HEARD WHETHER WE'RE ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL OR NOT, THAT PEOPLE ARE WONDERING WHAT'S HAPPENING. I WOULD HAVE GIVEN ONE ANSWER BASED ON SOME FACTS AND DATA. I'D BE GIVING ANOTHER ANSWER NOW, AND I THINK IT'S JUST GOOD FOR US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. MORATORIUMS ARE ALL TEMPORARY. THEY'RE NOT PERMANENT, AND THEY'RE VERY PRECISE. THERE'S CERTAINLY THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN. AND IN FACT, WHEN YOU GO TO APPROVE ONE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, I BELIEVE IT'S A SUPERMAJORITY, BUT YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF HEARINGS TO GET THERE. SO I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON WHAT IS, WHAT IS OUR WHAT DO WE HAVE? WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS? WE HAD AN ARTICLE COME OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN STAFF MADE A PRESENTATION TO PNC, THAT THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AHEAD THAN WHAT WE HAD THOUGHT. AND LET'S JUST HAVE A CONVERSATION. IS THIS SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO? BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO ALSO BE HAVING A CONVERSATION OF HOW WE SOLVE THE PROBLEM WITH A LOT OF TAX DOLLARS BEING SPENT ON THE LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY PITCH TO, TO REALLY TRY TO HAVE SOME TIME WHERE WE CAN DISCUSS THIS IN A, IN A, IN A VERY COMPREHENSIVE AND DELIBERATIVE WAY, INSTEAD OF JUST OUT THERE AMONGST THE COMMUNITY. SO COUNCIL MEMBER

RUMOHR. >> I'M DEFINITELY OPEN TO A DISCUSSION. I APPRECIATE THE PITCH. I DO WANT TO REMIND US THAT WE DID GET THAT HOUSING TOOLKIT UPDATE IN THE FRIDAY STAFF REPORT, AND THAT SHOWED THAT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A SURPLUS OF APARTMENTS, WE ARE STARTING TO SEE RENTS FALL. SO I WANT US TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT AND ANYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT BECAUSE THE RENTS ARE FALLING RIGHT NOW, GENERALLY THAT MEANS DEVELOPMENT STARTS TO SLOW DOWN BECAUSE THINGS STOP STOP MAKING FINANCIAL SENSE FOR DEVELOPMENT.

SO BECAUSE OF THAT SORT OF NATURAL LULL WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING, I'M GOING TO DO THIS

[03:15:02]

ONE LOW PRIORITY. >> OKAY. >> OH, I'M SORRY, COUNCILMEMBER

HOLLAND. >> THIS FOR ME, THIS CONJURES UP A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND A LOT OF A LOT OF A LOT OF QUALIFICATIONS. WHAT IS MULTIFAMILY IS A DUPLEX.

MULTIFAMILY. WHAT? WHAT ABOUT A GUY THAT OWNS PROPERTY THAT WANTS TO THAT WANTS TO DO THIS? ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO TO DO THEIR PROJECT. AND, AND NOW ARBITRARILY, WE, WE SAY, YOU CAN'T DO IT. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT AT ALL. BUT BUT I WONDER, I WONDER IF WE HAVE THE, THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO, TO TELL PEOPLE THAT THAT DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEIR PROPERTY IS ZONED PROPERLY, YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T BUILD ON IT. THAT WAS THIS WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT PEOPLE SAID TO ME. THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT MULTIFAMILY DURING, DURING MY, MY FIRST CAMPAIGN, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT AT LOW PRIORITY, BUT I BUT I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

>> OKAY, I UNDERSTAND, YES. >> COUNCILMEMBER JETER, I THINK IT'S VERY TIMELY. I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED. AT WHAT STAGE IS SOMEONE PAUSED? IF THEY'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, IF THEY SPENT $1 MILLION IN RELIANCE ON DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND WHAT'S BEEN REPRESENTED, BUT I'M WILLING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. I THINK THE RENTS ARE FALLING. I THINK WE DO HAVE MORE OF A SUPPLY. WE'RE ALSO MORE AFFORDABLE THAN A LOT OF OTHER AREAS IN OUR IN OUR DFW AREA. HOWEVER, I THINK THAT WE DO NEED TO HAVE A REAL LOOK AT WHAT IS OUR ECOSYSTEM WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING. WE NEED MORE. I THINK, ON THE FAR EDGES, THE REALLY, REALLY AFFORDABLE. AND THEN ALSO SOME OF THE HIGHER END HOMES SO THAT WE ATTRACT THAT AND CREATE JOBS AND CREATE SALES TAX HERE. SO I'M IN FAVOR. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. AND I BELIEVE STATUTORILY IT IS ALLOWED A MORATORIUM. HOWEVER, IT CANNOT BE PERMANENT. IT IS LIMITED. I FORGET IF IT'S 120 DAYS OR EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, BUT IT CANNOT BE PERMANENT. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT HARMING PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING IN GOOD FAITH WITH US. HOWEVER, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND I SUPPORT IT AT WHATEVER LEVEL THE MAYOR PUT IT FORWARD. THANK YOU.

>> YES, COUNCILMEMBER VILLARREAL. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M PRETTY SURE I'M THE ONLY ONE UP HERE WHO CURRENTLY LIVES IN AN APARTMENT. I'VE LIVED IN MULTIFAMILY MY ENTIRE ADULT LIFE, BUT THIS IS A ISSUE THAT ALL OF OUR CONSTITUENTS HAVE BROUGHT UP TO US TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE I HEARD ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. SO I THINK THIS IS A CONVERSATION WORTH HAVING. I SUPPORT THIS AT

HIGH PRIORITY. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR PRO TEM. >> YEAH, I SUPPORT THIS AS WELL.

MEDIUM TO HIGH PRIORITY. I'M SAYING THIS JUST TO I'M REPEATING WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS SAYING. AS FAR AS THE QUESTIONS ASKED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS JESTER, RUMOHR AND HOLLAND ABOUT HELPING DEFINE WHAT SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE, I'M REPEATING THIS FOR THE PUBLIC SAKE, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE ALL SAID IT, TO REMIND THEM WHAT A MORATORIUM IS. A MORATORIUM IS NOT A PERMANENT END TO SOMETHING IN TEXAS. IT IS A SIX MONTH PERIOD DUE TO A PUBLIC SHORTAGE, I THINK IS THE TERMINOLOGY SO THAT WE CAN EVALUATE DURING THAT TIME PERIOD BETTER POLICIES MOVING FORWARD LIKE THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF A MORATORIUM. IT'S NOT TO KILL MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S TO HAVE A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION

ABOUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. SO I SUPPORT THIS. >> OKAY. AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT FOR, FOR THIS WHAT EVERYBODY SUPPORTED THE DIFFERENCE IS THE PRIORITY. AND I THINK THERE WERE FOUR. OH, I'M SORRY, DID YOU YOU HADN'T YOU HADN'T WEIGHED IN. I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME. GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. NO. GO AHEAD COUNCILMEMBER. YOU BET.

>> I APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. I WANT TO ECHO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER STEPHENS, MAYOR PRO TEM STEVENS WAS JUST SAYING. I LOOK FORWARD TO A CONVERSATION ABOUT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND REALLY GETTING DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY OF WHAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING LOOKS LIKE FOR THE CITY OF DENTON. WE'VE BEEN I THINK WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OVER THE LAST YEAR WITH THESE NEW MATRICES THAT HAVE COME OUT AND REALLY EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES. LIKE COUNCILWOMAN JESTER WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON EITHER END OF THE SPECTRUM AND FINDING THAT MISSING MIDDLE AND ALSO UNDERSTANDING AND REALLY DEFINING THIS AND GETTING DOWN TO A BETTER DEFINITION, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOND COMING UP. SO YES, I AM FULL SUPPORT OF THIS CONVERSATION OCCURRING AND I

LISTED AS HIGH PRIORITY AS WELL. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. SO HIGH PRIORITY, IT LOOKS LIKE AND AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION. ARE ALL THOSE WE WILL ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION. SO THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT BRINGS US TO OUR

[1. Closed Meeting:]

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THANK YOU. >> OH SOME CONVERSATION. >> OH, OH HOLD ON. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT DONE YET. OKAY. SO ARE WE OKAY? WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. OKAY, SO WE'LL GO BACK TO TAKE FIVE MINUTES, GET THE ROOM SET UP, THOSE THAT NEED TO BE HERE, HERE, AND THOSE THAT DON'T GO ENJOY YOUR CUP OF COFFEE OR YOURWELCOME, EVERYONEY COUNCIL IS NOW AT 6:12 P.M.

[AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE CLOSED MEETING. CONSIDERATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING(S) WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M]

SO WE ARE NOW IN OUR REGULAR AGENDA HEARING. WE WILL NOW GO TO THE REGULAR AGENDA OF THE

[1. CONSENT AGENDA]

ACTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. COUNCILMEMBER VILLARREAL. >> I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE

CONSENT AGENDA ACCEPTING ITEMS H, O AND P OKAY. >> COUNCILMEMBER RUMOHR SECOND ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA, THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM EXCLUDING H, O, AND P. LET'S VOTE ON THE BOARD, PLEASE. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN

[H. ID 26-0828 Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, establishing the schedule of rates for Electric Service; providing for a repealer; providing for a severability clause; and providing for an effective date. The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (6-0).]

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS MELISSA CUEVAS WITH DME. AND TODAY I HAVE OUR QUARTERLY REVIEW FOR OUR ENERGY COST ADJUSTMENT AND TRANSMISSION COST RECOVERY FACTOR. SO JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT OUR CURRENT RATES ARE. OUR NATIVE LOAD ECA IS CURRENTLY SET AT 4.6 $0.02 PER KWH. WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY CHANGES THERE. OUR LARGE LOAD ECA IS CURRENTLY SET AT 6.0 $0.06 PER KWH, AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING AN INCREASE TO 6.9 $0.06 PER KWH. AND OUR TRANSMISSION COST RECOVERY FACTOR. WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY CHANGES. SO WITH OUR NATIVE LOAD ECA, WE DO HAVE TO MAINTAIN A BALANCE OF -20 MILLION TO $20 MILLION FOR OUR BALANCE. AS YOU CAN SEE WITH US MAINTAINING OUR CURRENT RATE OF 4.6 $0.02, WE WILL HAVE A POSITIVE BALANCE OF 13.5 MILLION. MARCH OF 2027. THE TABLE TO THE THE RIGHT JUST SHOWS WHAT CHANGES WE'VE HAD TO THIS NATIVE LOAD ECA. THE LAST CHANGE WE'VE HAD WAS A DECREASE IN DECEMBER OF 2024. OUR FORECASTED ACCOUNT BALANCE IS OUR TRANSMISSION COST BALANCE THAT WE OWE IS IS ABOUT $26 MILLION. SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, OVER THE SPAN OF THE CALENDAR YEAR 2026, WE ARE SEEING EXPECTING 27.9 MILLION IN REVENUE THROUGH THE TABLE ON THE RIGHT. IT DOES SHOW OUR RATE CHANGES AS WELL. THE LAST CHANGE WAS APRIL OF 2026, WHERE WE DECREASED IT TO 1.5 $0.06. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION TODAY IS NO CHANGES TO OUR NATIVE LOAD ECA OR TCR F, AND AN INCREASE TO THE LARGE LOAD ECA EFFECTIVE

JULY 15TH. ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS? CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. COUNCIL

MEMBER JESTER. >> I MOVE APPROVAL AS PRESENTED. AND THANK YOU FOR NOT ONLY THE

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL.

>> I CONCUR. SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S VOTE PLEASE.

OH YEAH. THAT'S AGENDA ITEM. OH WE'RE ON H. THANK YOU COUNCILMAN PERRY. THANK YOU.

>> YES YES. OKAY. >> STILL SHOWING. OH.

WE'LL WE'LL TAKE A VOTE HERE IN A SECOND. THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. WE WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR AGENDA ITEM H OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS NOW AN ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. LET'S VOTE PLEASE. MOTION CARRIES

[O. ID 26-1029 Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with Lifetime Tennis, Inc., dba Impact Activities, for tennis and pickleball classes, lessons, leagues, tournaments, stringing, and other tennis or pickleball programs for the Parks and Recreation Department; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFP 8981 - awarded to Lifetime Tennis, Inc., dba Impact Activities, for one (1) year, with the option for four (4) additional one (1) year extensions, in the total five (5) year not-to-exceed amount of $1,350,000.00).]

ON THIS? JUST OKAY. IS THAT QUESTIONS OKAY? SURE. >> HI.

>> SO I DO APPRECIATE THE RESPONSES I GOT BACK FROM STAFF. I THINK I JUST NEED MORE HELP UNDERSTANDING THIS. SO. WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE. I THINK MY FIRST QUESTION WAS AFTER READING THE QUESTIONS WAS, HOW DID THESE NUMBERS COMPARE TO OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE CONTRACT OUT? LIKE, I'M SURE WE DO IT FOR SOCCER MAYBE OR OTHER SPORTS.

>> NOT IN THE SAME WAY, BECAUSE TENNIS IS PRIMARILY THE PRIVATE LESSONS OR THE GROUP LESSONS.

WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CONTRACTOR WHERE WE PROVIDE THIS SPACE, AND THEN WE DO A

7030 SPLIT FOR THE REVENUE. >> OKAY, 70, 30, 80, 20. >> RIGHT. I'M SORRY. YES.

>> OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. AND SO LIKE, IF I DID MY MATH RIGHT, I, BEFORE I VOTE ON IT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT, WHICH IS IT'S, WE'RE PAYING THEM $250,000 A

YEAR, AND WE'RE ASSUMING THAT WE'LL GET 7000. NO. >> NO.

>> I'M ALREADY MISUNDERSTANDING. >> SPLIT THE REVENUE AFTER IT COMES IN. SO PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR THE SERVICE. WE RECEIVE THE REVENUE AND THEN WE PAY THEM THEIR SHARE.

>> THE 80%. YES. BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE CONTRACT OUTSIDE OF THAT REVENUE, THEY START AT 250

A YEAR. >> WE DON'T PAY THEM FOR SERVICES THAT ARE NOT RENDERED.

>> OH. >> IF I COULD. SO. SO WE GIVE THEM 80%. WE GET 20% OF X.

>> YES. >> IS THE 250 000. I WAS READING WHERE IT SAYS WE'RE EXECUTING A CONTRACT FOR TWO 250,000. IS THAT COMING OUT OF ALL THAT REVENUE, OR IS THAT IN

ADDITION. >> TO IT'S JUST COMING OUT OF THE REVENUE?

>> OKAY, LET ME LET ME LOOK AT SOMETHING REAL QUICK. OKAY. >> SO WE DON'T PAY THEM OUTSIDE

OF THE SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE TO THE PUBLIC. >> OKAY. LET ME LET ME LOOK AT SOMETHING REAL QUICK. LET ME LOOK AT THE AGENDA INFORMATION, BECAUSE I MIGHT HAVE JUST

TOTALLY MISREAD IT AND MISUNDERSTOOD IT. >> DID WE BUDGET FOR YES, WE WE

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BUDGET FOR. >> IT IF IT HELPS FOR CLARIFICATION. SO THE CONTRACT NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT IS BECAUSE WE ARE BRINGING IN THE REVENUE. AND THEN WE CUT IN A CHECK WITH FOR AN EXPENSE. SO YOU'RE GIVING US APPROVAL TO EXPAND THE PAYOUT TO THEM CAPPED AT THE 250. OKAY. BUT IT'S ONLY BASED ON THE SERVICES THAT PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR. SO THEY'RE NOT GUARANTEED THE 250,000. THEY'RE ONLY GUARANTEED 80% OF WHAT PEOPLE SIGN UP TO TAKE LESSONS FOR. BUT OUR CONTRACTS REQUIRE A NOT TO EXCEED EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY FOR HOW

WE ACCOUNT FOR THE MONEY. >> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> THAT ANSWERS EVERY QUESTION I HAVE. THAT WAS NOT CLEAR TO ME. AND SO. THANK YOU. THANK

YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. >> CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. COUNCIL MEMBER RUMOHR.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM. >> I'LL SECOND THAT.

>> LET'S VOTE ON THE BOARD, PLEASE. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. WE CANNOT START OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH ARE THE NEXT AGENDA ITEMS TILL 630. SO WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL MOVE TO ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, BUT WE WILL AS SOON AS WE FINISH ONE NEAREST AFTER 630, WE'LL GO BACK TO PUBLIC HEARINGS BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE WAITING

[A. A26-0001d Conduct the second of two readings and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas annexing approximately 2.940 acres of land, generally located 1,671 feet east of Mayhill Road, north of Mills Road, into the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; providing for a correction to the City map to include the annexed land; and providing for a savings clause and an effective date. (A26-0001d, Rollins Annexation, Angie Manglaris)]

HILL ROAD. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR HERE TO PRESENT A 26 D. THIS IS THE ROLLINS ANNEXATION. SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM IS TO CONDUCT THE SECOND OF TWO READINGS AND ACT ON AN ORDINANCE TO ANNEX APPROXIMATELY 2.94 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MILLS, APPROXIMATELY 1600FT EAST OF MAY HILL ROAD. AS A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS REQUEST, THIS PROPERTY DID HAVE AN ANNEXATION AGREEMENT WHICH EXPIRED IN AUGUST OF 2020 AS PART OF THE CITY'S INITIATIVE TO BRING THOSE PROPERTIES EITHER INTO A NEW ANNEXATION AGREEMENT OR TO ANNEX THEM. THIS PROPERTY IS IS BEING ANNEXED INTO THE CITY LIMITS. THERE IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE ON SITE, BUT IT IS LARGELY UNDEVELOPED LAND. WE HAVE CONDUCTED THE FIRST READING. WE HAVE ADOPTED A MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT, AS WELL AS HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ITEM FOLLOWING THAT SET OF ITEMS. THIS WAS PUBLISHED IN THE DENTON RECORD CHRONICLE. AND NOW, IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR CITY CHARTER, WE ARE CONDUCTING THE SECOND OF TWO READINGS, AND FOLLOWING THAT READING ACTION MAY OCCUR. AND SO I AM GOING TO READ THE ORDINANCE CAPTION. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY 2.94 ACRES OF LAND GENERALLY LOCATED 1671FT EAST OF MAY HILL ROAD, NORTH OF MILLS ROAD INTO THE CITY OF DENTON. DENTON COUNTY, TEXAS, PROVIDING FOR A CORRECTION TO THE CITY MAP TO INCLUDE THE ANNEXED LAND AND PROVIDING FOR A SAVING CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL

MAY HAVE. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, THAT THIS REQUIRES, WHAT'S THE STANDARD OF VOTE ON THIS.

>> 80%, WHICH IS SIX VOTES? >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER RUMOHR.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND ON AGENDA ITEM A OF ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. LET'S VOTE PLEASE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. OKAY. WE'LL GO ON TO NEXT AGENDA ITEM THREE B

[B. ID 26-0804 Consider adoption of an ordinance considering all matters incident and related to the issuance, sale and delivery of up to $316,338,000 in principal amount of "City of Denton General Obligation refunding and improvement bonds, Series 2026"; authorizing the issuance of the bonds; delegating the authority to certain city officials to execute certain documents relating to the sale of the bonds; approving and authorizing instruments and procedures relating to said bonds; enacting other provisions relating to the subject; and providing an effective date. The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (6-0).]

[C. ID 26-0805 Consider adoption of an ordinance considering all matters incident and related to the issuance, sale and delivery of up to $295,000,000 in principal amount of "City of Denton Certificates of Obligation, Series 2026"; authorizing the issuance of the certificates; delegating the authority to certain city officials to execute certain documents relating to the sale of the certificates; approving and authorizing instruments and procedures relating to said certificates; enacting other provisions relating to the subject; and providing an effective date. The Public Utilities Board recommends approval (6-0).]

>> AND MAYOR, WE HAVE ONE PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM AND THE NEXT ITEM, IF YOU'RE ABLE

TO CALL THAT AS. >> WELL, I CAN CALL. SO LET'S SEE THEN WE'LL CALL AGENDA ITEM C, WHICH IS ID 26-0805. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE CONSIDERING ALL MATTERS INCIDENT AND RELATED TO THE ISSUANCE AND SALE AND DELIVERY OF UP TO $295 MILLION IN PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF CITY OF DENTON CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION SERIES 2026.

>> WELL, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. MATT HAMILTON, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE 2026 BOND ORDINANCE. SO THIS ORDINANCE INCLUDES A THE ISSUANCE OF GEOS AS WELL AS CEOS. SO FOR THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED

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AND SO AS WE LOOK AT TOTAL PROJECTED SAVINGS, WE ANTICIPATE ABOUT $14.2 MILLION, PRIMARILY WITHIN THE ELECTRIC SYSTEM THAT WE WILL SAVE WITH THE DEBT REFUNDING. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS REFUNDING 22 MILLION OF THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION SERIES 2016, 142.2 MILLION OF THE UTILITY SYSTEM REVENUE BONDS FROM 2017, AND 107 MILLION OF POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL REFUNDING, WHICH ARE FROM THE SERIES 2014 THROUGH 2016. THOSE WE AREN'T 100% SURE OF. IF THE REFUNDING SAVINGS IS GOING TO MAKE SENSE, BUT WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS THE AUTHORITY TO REFUND THOSE IF IT MAKES SENSE AT THE TIME OF SALE, THE THRESHOLD THAT WE USE IS AT LEAST 1%. SO IF IT MEETS THAT THRESHOLD, THEN THEN WE WOULD PROCEED REFUNDING THE BONDS.

BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PROJECTED SAVINGS, THE GENERAL FUND WOULD REALIZE THE SAVINGS OF APPROXIMATELY $80,000 SOLID WASTE, 224,000 WATER, 164,000. WASTEWATER 79,000 AND THE ELECTRIC SYSTEM 13.7 MILLION. SO IN TOTAL, BETWEEN THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM AND THE POTENTIAL

REFUNDING, THE GEO BOND SALE WOULD BE 316,338,000. >> OKAY. IS THAT. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. WAS THAT WE NEED TO VOTE ON THESE SEPARATELY? CORRECT. OKAY. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD.

>> IN TERMS OF THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, JUST TO PROVIDE A REMINDER, WE DID ISSUE A NOTICE OF INTENT IN THE DENTON RECORD. CHRONICLE COUNCIL APPROVED THAT ON MAY 5TH. IT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER ON MAY 13TH AND MAY 20TH. AND THE BOND ORDINANCE TO AUTHORIZE THE SALE OF THE CEOS WAS AT LEAST 46 DAYS AFTER THE FIRST PUBLICATION PER STATE LAW. AS WE LOOK AT THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT CEOS, THERE WAS NO CHANGE IN THE INTERNAL SERVICES BETWEEN THE NOTICE OF INTENT AND THE BOND ORDINANCE THAT REMAINED AT APPROXIMATELY 6 MILLION. HOWEVER, FOR THE OTHER GENERAL GOVERNMENT TOTALS, WE WERE ABLE TO REVIEW THE PROJECT LIST AND REDUCE THE LIST BY ABOUT $7 MILLION, PRIMARILY IN OUR FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH, DURING A REVIEW, WE DETERMINED THAT MANY OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AND MAINTENANCE ITEMS THAT WE NEEDED WERE EITHER COMPLETED OR WEREN'T IN IMMEDIATE NEED. SO WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THAT 7 MILLION, BRINGING THE TOTAL DOWN FROM 63.7 MILLION FOR THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT TO 56.1 MILLION. SOLID WASTE. THERE WAS NO CHANGE IN THE PROJECTS BETWEEN THE NOTICE OF INTENT AND THE BOND ORDINANCE, AND IT REMAINS AT 17.4 MILLION.

>> MACK ONE QUESTION ON THAT BRIEFLY. WHAT IS THE ORGANICS PROGRAM INFRASTRUCTURE?

>> YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYONE FROM SOLID WASTE AVAILABLE, BUT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS BUILDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE INFRASTRUCTURE SO THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO ACCEPT ORGANIC WASTE AND PROCESS IT. I BELIEVE IT'S ALSO INTENDED TO BE A MORE REGIONAL FACILITY, AND SO IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE ORGANIC WASTE AND AND DIVERT

THAT FROM THE LANDFILL. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. APPRECIATE THAT.

>> THE WASTE OR EXCUSE ME, THE THE WATER UTILITY, THERE WAS NO CHANGE FROM THE NOTICE OF INTENT TO THE BOND ORDINANCE. THE ISSUANCE AMOUNT OF 44.9 MILLION, THE WASTEWATER UTILITY ALSO NO CHANGE FROM THE NOTICE OF INTENT TO THE BOND ORDINANCE, 113.9 MILLION AND FOR DME, NO CHANGE FROM THE NOTICE OF INTENT TO THE BOND ORDINANCE 58.4 MILLION IN ISSUANCE. SO AS WE LOOK AT THE BOND SUMMARY, THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT AT 56 56.1 MILLION, SOLID WASTE AT

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>> ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TAKE THAT. SEEING NONE, WE WILL TAKE THESE VOTES INDIVIDUALLY FOR ITEMS B AND C OF THE ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION FOR AGENDA ITEM B.

COUNCIL MEMBER RUMOHR. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, LET'S VOTE PLEASE.

MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. NOW WE WILL CONSIDER AGENDA ITEM C COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL.

>> MOVE APPROVAL. >> OH SOMETHING HAPPENED. COUNCIL MEMBER FERRY. SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON AGENDA ITEM C LET'S VOTE PLEASE. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU. LET ME MAKE MY NOTATION. WE STOPPED ON INDIVIDUAL ITEM C. WE'RE GOING

[A. ID 26-0925 Hold a public hearing and consider approval of a resolution of the City Council of the City of Denton, Texas approving the establishment of policies, guidelines, and criteria governing Tax Abatements; and declaring an effective date. The Economic Development Partnership Board recommends approval (7-0).]

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ERICA SULLIVAN. I'M THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR HERE AT THE CITY, AND I'LL BE GIVING A PRESENTATION ON AN UPDATE TO OUR TAX ABATEMENT POLICY FOR THE CITY OF DENTON. SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE OVERVIEW AND HISTORY, SOME TAX ABATEMENT CONSIDERATIONS, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE PROPOSED CHANGES.

THERE ARE SEVERAL NEW MEMBERS HERE TONIGHT. SO I WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF TAX ABATEMENTS. TAX ABATEMENTS ARE REGULATED BY CHAPTER 312 OF THE TEXAS TAX CODE. AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO NEW AND EXPANDED BUSINESSES. THERE'S A MINIMAL CAPITAL INVESTMENT. IN THIS CASE IT'S 5 MILLION. A PROPERTY OWNER RECEIVES AN EXEMPTION AND THAT'S DEDUCTED FROM THEIR TAX BILL. AND THIS IS ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH THE DENTON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT. AND AS WITH ALL OUR INCENTIVES, WE PERFORM ECONOMIC ANALYSIS BEFORE TO DETERMINE THE IMPACT AND RETURN TO THE CITY. AND THEN BY STATE LAW, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ABATE ANYTHING THAT'S ALREADY CREATED.

SO ONLY NEW IMPROVEMENTS AND BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY ARE ELIGIBLE UNDER TAX ABATEMENTS.

SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE POLICY HISTORY. SO THE FIRST POLICY WAS ADOPTED IN 1989. IN 2010

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IN 2018, WE ADDRESSED RETAIL RETAIL LEAKAGE. WE ADDED SOME DEFINITIONS FOR SALES AND USE TAX FOR CONSTRUCTION, AND THEN WE GROUPED THE INVESTMENT FUND AND THE AIRCRAFT PROGRAMS UNDER ONE UMBRELLA. AND THEN IN 2020, WE HAD NO CHANGES BECAUSE WE WERE UPDATING OUR NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN. SO THE STRATEGIC PLAN WAS APPROVED IN 2021. AND THEN THE POLICIES WERE SEPARATED AND ALIGNED WITH OUR STRATEGIC PLAN IN 2022. SHORTLY AFTER. HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE FIVE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT DEFINE HOW WE DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN DENTON AND THAT ACCORDING TO OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, THEIR CORE RESILIENCY, FUTURE FOCUSED, INCLUSIVE GROWTH, ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT AND CULTURAL VITALITY, THEY'RE ALSO ORGANIZED UNDER THREE MAIN GOALS TO ACCELERATE RECOVERY, AS THIS WAS AT THE TIME OF THE PANDEMIC, WHEN WE WERE DEVELOPING OUR STRATEGIC PLAN TO FOSTER GROWTH AND STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY INCLUSION. SO THE LAST UPDATE TO THE POLICY, WE RESTRUCTURED OUR PRIORITY CONSIDERATIONS AND OUR PUBLIC BENEFIT FACTORS AROUND OUR STRATEGIC GROWTH AREAS. AND OUR STRATEGIC PLAN IDENTIFIED THESE AREAS BY NAICS CODE FOR RECRUITMENT. AND THEN WE ADDED A COMPREHENSIVE BENEFIT PACKAGE CONSIDERATION AND INCORPORATED UNDERWRITING. AFTER WE DID THE FINE ARTS THEATER PROJECT. SO SOME TAX ABATEMENT CONSIDERATIONS. AGAIN, IT'S REGULATED BY 312 OF THE TAX CODE. AND THIS REQUIRES US TO ADOPT A TAX ABATEMENT POLICY IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ELIGIBLE TO GRANT A TAX ABATEMENT. THE POLICY IS EFFECTIVE FOR TWO YEARS AFTER ADOPTION. AND DURING THAT PERIOD, THE POLICY CAN ONLY BE AMENDED BY A THREE QUARTER VOTE. SO WE WOULD NEED A SUPERMAJORITY DURING THAT PERIOD. THAT'S ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS. IN 2022, WHEN WE REDESIGNED THE POLICIES AND ALIGN THEM WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN. WE SEPARATED CHAPTER 380 AND THE TAX ABATEMENT POLICY GIVING US A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY. SO WITH THE CHAPTER 380, WE CAN AMEND IT AT ANY TIME. IF THE POLICY WERE TO EXPIRE FOR THE TAX ABATEMENT, WE COULD STILL USE THE CHAPTER 380 POLICY. LIKE RIGHT NOW WE HAD A BOARD RETREAT, AND WE'RE USING THAT A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE CHANGES, INCORPORATE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT INTO THE CHAPTER 380 POLICY. THE GOVERNING BODY MUST HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING LIKE WE'RE DOING SO TODAY. AND THEN ANOTHER CONSIDERATION IS THE DENTON COUNTY GENERALLY PREFERS TO PARTICIPATE IN TAX ABATEMENTS WITH CITIES. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE. CHAPTER 380 PARTICIPATION WITH THE COUNTY EQUIVALENT. CHAPTER 381 RECENTLY. SO NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CURRENT POLICY. THE FIRST IS ANY MINIMUM JOB RELATED THRESHOLD WILL BE AT LEAST 75% OF THE JOBS IN THE APPLICATION.

THE PREVIOUS WAS 90. AND THIS IS DONE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. ONE, FOR PROJECTS, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO INCENTIVIZE PROJECTS THAT ARE MOVING TOWARDS FULL EMPLOYMENT. WE ALSO WANT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR DELAYS IN THE MARKET INTO SUPPLY CHAIN TRAINING ISSUES IN THAT MATTER.

ANOTHER REVISION, WHICH WAS SUGGESTED BY THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD, WAS THE ELIGIBILITY EVALUATION REQUIREMENT OR TIMELY COMPLETION FROM 24 MONTHS FROM THE EXECUTION OF THE AGREEMENT TO 24 MONTHS AFTER A PERMIT IS ISSUED TO ALLOW FOR MORE TIME.

AND THIS CAME FROM A DEVELOPER CITING THE THE LENGTHY PROCESS. AND THEN WE HAD GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE CLEANUPS AS WELL. SO THESE WOULD INCLUDE SOME ITEMS THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE AGREEMENT AND OR THAT WERE PROJECT SPECIFIC THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T NEED IN THE POLICY. SO WE COULD STREAMLINE IT A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN WE UPDATED THE QUALIFIED CENSUS TRACK MAPS WITH THE ELIGIBLE TRACKS. SO I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE CHANGES OF THE CURRENT POLICY WITH THE CITY CORE VALUES. THEY'VE CHANGED SINCE OUR LAST UPDATE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE PREVIOUS AND NOW THE PROPOSED INCLUSION, COLLABORATION, QUALITY SERVICE, STRATEGIC FOCUS AND FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. REALLY THE ONLY MAIN CHANGES ARE COLLABORATION AND STRATEGIC FOCUS. AS WE WERE ALREADY WORKING ON OUTSTANDING CUSTOMER SERVICE, WE'RE JUST REFRAMING IT. AND THEN ANOTHER CHANGE TO THE POLICIES THAT WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING HERE IS THE TARGETED SECTORS. A LOT OF ENTITIES, COUNTIES, COGS, CITIES, WE HAVE SELECTED TARGETS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RECRUIT TO OUR CITY. AND SO OUR STRATEGIC PLAN CREATED THESE STRATEGIC GROWTH AREAS ORGANIZED BY NAICS INDUSTRY CODES FOR OUR RECRUITMENT EFFORTS. AND THEY INCLUDED CONNECTIVITY, CREATIVITY, SUSTAINABILITY, AND COMPETITIVENESS. AND THERE WAS A WHOLE HOST OF SECTORS THAT WERE UNDER THAT. WE ARE PROPOSING SOME DIFFERENT TARGETED INDUSTRY SECTORS THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE LESS CONFUSING THAN THE PREVIOUS TARGET SECTORS USING THE SGA'S. SO WE'RE PROPOSING ADVANCED.

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TO ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION. I WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE ONE BLUE CARD TO SPEAK, BUT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO AFTER THE BLUE CARD IS CALLED, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, COME ON DOWN. THE FIRST THE BLUE CARD WE HAVE IS AMY BASSETT. IF YOU'LL COME DOWN AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE. IS IT

THREE, FOUR MINUTES? >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS AMY BASSETT, 109 NORTH ELM, DENTON, 76201. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE THE BOARD FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP. I SIT ON THAT BOARD AND JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THE UPDATES TO OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THIS EVENING. I FEEL LIKE DENTON IS STRATEGICALLY LOCATED GEOGRAPHICALLY TO BE A LEADER IN LOGISTICS AND SUPPLY CHAIN ATTRACTION WITHIN THE REGION, AND I FEEL LIKE OUR UPDATED SECTORS ARE TARGETED SECTORS MORE CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH OUR UNIVERSITY INITIATIVES. AND THIS PARTICULAR POLICY CHANGE ALSO HELPS US TO ATTRACT HIGH PAYING JOBS. SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AMY. COUNCIL MEMBER. JESTER. OH, ANY OTHER ANY OTHER PEOPLE WANTING TO SPEAK. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? I DON'T SEE ANY MOVEMENT. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER.

>> THANK YOU. I'M ALSO ON THIS BOARD AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE COLLABORATION. TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND HAPPILY MOVE APPROVAL AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL. >> THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TOOL

FOR OUR TOOL KIT. I SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. LET'S VOTE PLEASE.

MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. FOR AGENDA ITEM TWO B, I WILL BE RECUSING MYSELF. SO THE MAYOR PRO TEM WILL TAKE THE CHAIR AND CONDUCT THAT PUBLIC HEARING. AND WHEN THAT'S COMPLETE, SOMEONE WILL COME GATHER ME AND WE'LL RESUME OUR DUTIES. THANK YOU. OKAY.

>> THAT'S GOOD TO GO. OKAY. SO PUBLIC HEARING ITEM B, THAT'S Z260018B. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING

[B. Z26-0018b Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding a change in the zoning district and use classification from Residential 3 (R3) district to Residential 7 (R7) district on approximately 0.74 acres of land generally located on the northeast corner of Bolivar Street and Taliaferro Street, approximately 155 feet west of North Elm Street in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s Official Zoning Map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing for a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted (5-1) to recommend approval. Motion for approval by Chair Pruett and second by Commissioner Riggs (Z25-0018b, Denton Duplexes, Angie Manglaris).]

PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ANGIE MANGLA, ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR, HERE TO PRESENT Z 2518. THIS IS THE DENTON DUPLEXES. THIS DID COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON MAY 5TH, AND THE BODY RECOMMENDED A CONTINUANCE OF THE ITEM UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE APPLICANT COULD BRING FORWARD SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION RELATED TO AFFORDABILITY. THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING AND DOES HAVE THAT INFORMATION. SINCE WE DO HAVE SOME NEW MEMBERS, I AM GOING TO RUN THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. SO THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 0.74 ACRES AT THE

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THREE THERE IS SOME EXISTING RESIDENTIAL. SEVEN ALONG NORTH ELM STREET AND SOME ARE FOUR AS YOU MOVE FURTHER SOUTH, CLOSER TOWARDS US. 380 THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DOES CALL FOR THIS AREA TO DEVELOP AS LOW RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT DOES INCLUDE SOME SUPPORTING USES THAT INCLUDE SCALED COMMERCIAL. IT DOES HAVE A DENSITY BETWEEN 1 AND 5 UNITS PER ACRE. RECOMMENDED. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WOULD HAVE A DENSITY SLIGHTLY GREATER THAN THAT SHOULD IT DEVELOP AS DUPLEX UNITS, BUT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER GOALS IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PARTICULARLY GOALS LU ONE AND LU THREE, BOTH OF WHICH CALL TO DEVELOP COMPACTLY AS WELL AS TO MAINTAIN AND STRENGTHEN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS BY FILLING IN THAT FABRIC AS GAPS OCCUR. THIS SITE HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN DEVELOPED AND A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WAS DEMOLISHED IN MARCH OF 2025. THIS ALSO SUPPORTS OUR HOUSING GOALS, PARTICULARLY GOAL H AND ONE, WHICH CALLS TO DEVELOP AND MAINTAIN A DIVERSE HOUSING STOCK. FURTHERMORE, THE HOUSING AND POPULATION PROJECTIONS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DO CALL FOR THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT OF APPROXIMATELY 6000 OTHER RESIDENTIAL UNIT TYPES, WHICH ARE TYPICALLY THOSE UNITS THAT DON'T FALL NECESSARILY WITHIN SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY, BUT SORT OF THAT MISSING MIDDLE WHERE YOU WOULD SEE DUPLEXES, TOWNHOMES, AND TRIPLEXES. SO IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THOSE GOALS. THIS ZONING DISTRICT IN THIS LOCATION IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH OUR R-7 PURPOSE STATEMENT, WHICH IS TO ACCOMMODATE A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES, MAINTAIN THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE AREA, AND FOLLOW THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE DDC. THE USES ALONG THE BOLIVAR STREET ARE VARIED. THERE IS SIGNIFICANT SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE DUPLEX DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED OVER TIME, AS WELL AS SOME MULTIFAMILY TRIPLEX USES IN THE REGION. STAFF DOES FIND THAT THIS MEETS OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, BOTH THE GENERAL CRITERIA AS WELL AS THAT SPECIFIC TO ZONING REQUESTS. NOTIFICATION WAS DONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE AND LOCAL LAWS. WE DID RECEIVE SEVERAL RESPONSES BACK IN OPPOSITION TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 11%. THE APPLICANT DID HOLD SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AS WELL AS PART OF THEIR PUBLIC OUTREACH. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST AS IT MEETS THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL FIVE ONE. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL

MAY HAVE, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO SPEAK AS WELL. >> ALL RIGHT. BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SEEING NONE, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. FIRST OFF, THE APPLICANT. AMY BESSETTE.

>> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCIL MEMBERS, GIVE ME JUST ONE MOMENT TO PULL UP MY PRESENTATION. THAT ONE, IS NOT IT? THERE WE GO. AMY BESSETTE, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I'M REPRESENTING MCADAMS. WE ARE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT, AND WE ARE REPRESENTING THIS ZONING CASE THIS EVENING. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. I WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT OUR CLIENT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS A LOCAL FAMILY. THEY LIVE HERE IN DENTON. THEY'VE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY AS AN INVESTMENT IN INTO A LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR ROLE AS A DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT AND ZONING CONSULTANT IS TO SPEND TIME WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND WORK WITH THEM TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY TO REACH, TO REACH A PROJECT PLAN THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IS SOMETHING WHERE EVERYONE CAN WORK TOGETHER. WE'VE SPENT MANY MONTHS WORKING ON THAT, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL NEIGHBORS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING, WHICH WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HERE. AND I JUST WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE'VE APPRECIATED THE TIME THAT WE'VE SPENT WITH THEM. AND WE'VE, WE'VE ALL WORKED HARD TO TRY TO, TO WORK TOGETHER HERE. AND AS ANGIE SHARED, THIS IS ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE. SO IT'S LARGE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY LOT. IT IS IN A SINGLE FAMILY EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS WOULD BE AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT. AND THERE ARE

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IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM CITY MEETINGS THAT THE THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL BE REQUIRED TO DEDICATE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY ON TOLLIVER TO INCREASE THE WIDTH AND. WE ARE MEETING OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR A DUPLEX DEVELOPMENT. WE HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT REMOVAL OF TREES.

OUR PRELIMINARY TREE PRESERVATION PLAN SHOWS PRESERVING ROUGHLY 14 OF THE 21 TREES ON SITE. TRIP GENERATION TABLES SHOW THAT IN THE PEAK HOUR IN THE A M AND THE P M, WE EXPECT THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD GENERATE FOUR AND FIVE TRIPS PER HOUR AT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. WE HAD SOME ATTENDEES THAT WEREN'T ORIGINALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, AND WE SPECIFICALLY THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS THE ONE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBOR THAT'S NOT ACROSS A RIGHT OF WAY OR A STREET. THEY EXPRESSED CONCERNS THAT THE PARKING SPACES WERE FACING NORTH IN INTO THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW HERE. THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT SECOND STORY WINDOWS VIEWING INTO THE PROPERTY AND THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS. AFTER THAT MEETING, WE DID MEET WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, AND WE KIND OF WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD WITH CONCEPT PLANNING TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR, FOR THE NEIGHBORS. IN THAT MEETING WITH THEM, WE DID DRAFT A WHAT ULTIMATELY BECAME A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THEM THAT COMMITTED OUR CLIENT, THE PROPERTY OWNER, TO CERTAIN CONCESSIONS TO THAT NEIGHBOR IF THE ZONING CHANGE WERE TO BE APPROVED. SO THOSE CONCESSIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS. THIS IS THE UPDATED CONCEPT PLAN. WE'VE REORIENTED THE THE PARKING SPACES TO WHERE THEY FACE SOUTH. WE WE EXPLORED THE IDEA OF PUSHING THE BUILDINGS BACK TOWARDS THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE AND PUTTING THE PARKING ON THE SOUTH. BUT THAT CREATED THE

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THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LARGE TREES OUT THERE REPLACING THEIR EXISTING WOOD FENCE WITH AN EIGHT FOOT TALL NEW WOOD FENCE AND THAT THE PARKING WOULD BE ORIENTED TOWARDS THE SOUTH.

THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL REQUEST THAT THE NUMBER OF UNITS BE REDUCED FROM 8 TO 6, AND OUR CLIENT FELT THAT THAT DEFEATED THE PURPOSE OF THE ZONING CHANGE, BECAUSE TODAY, UNDER OUR THREE WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND ADUS, THEY COULD HAVE SIX UNITS TODAY. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO COVER HERE. SO I'M GOING TO SKIP RIGHT OVER THAT ONE. THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION AT CITY COUNCIL IN MAY REGARDING RENTAL RATES. SO I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS SAYING THAT I MADE A MISTAKE IN THAT MEETING. I USED THE WORD AFFORDABLE. AND AS WE ALL KNOW, AFFORDABLE HAS SOME VERY SPECIFIC FEDERAL DEFINITIONS. WHAT I MEANT WHEN I USED THAT WORD WHEN I SHOULDN'T HAVE USED IT, I SHOULD HAVE USED HOUSING VARIETY DIVERSITY ATTAINABILITY IS THAT TO BUILD DUPLEX UNITS IS GOING TO YIELD A MORE AFFORDABLE PRODUCT AND A MORE AFFORDABLE RATE IN THE LONG RUN THAN BUILDING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND ADUS, BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION COSTS WOULD BE LESS. SO I'M HERE TO GO ON RECORD AS CORRECTING MY MISTAKE, IN THAT IT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE AN AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENT.

IT IS INTENDED TO BE A MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS IS AN INFILL PROJECT. WHAT I'VE DISPLAYED HERE ARE AVERAGE MARKET RATE RENTS FOR DUPLEXES IN 2026. TWO BEDROOMS RANGE FROM 1350 TO $1700 AND THREE BEDROOMS FROM 1600 TO $2000. SO THESE ARE NOT THEIR SPECIFIC RENTS. THEY HAVE NOT DONE FINANCIAL PROFORMAS TO THAT LEVEL BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MANY UNITS THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD AND WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO BE DETACHED OR ATTACHED UNITS. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR HAVING MISLED COUNCIL IN MAY AND JUST WANT TO CORRECT THAT TODAY. AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND I'M GOING TO START OFF ACTUALLY JUST TO END WHERE YOU START, WHERE YOU ENDED UP, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO APOLOGIZE FOR. I WATCHED THAT MEETING. I DON'T THINK YOU DESERVE TO BE TREATED THAT WAY. AND SO I'M SORRY. AND SO BUT I APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, WE CAN'T ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO AT LEAST GO ON

THE RECORD AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT PUBLICLY. >> I APPRECIATE.

>> THAT, COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND. >> THANK YOU. COULD YOU GO TO THE TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS THE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THE DUPLEXES AND THE ADUS, THAT ONE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS?

THE NUMBER OF DUPLEXES? >> I DO NOT I HAVE NOT COUNTED THEM UP, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE FOUR DIRECTLY TO THE EAST THAT ARE DUPLEX UNITS THAT FACE. I BELIEVE IT'S ELM STREET. YEAH.

AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF, OF, OF LARGER BUILDINGS TO THE NORTH THAT MAY ACTUALLY BE SMALL MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SOME ON THE, THE SOUTHWEST THAT LOOKS LIKE 4

OR 5 ADDITIONAL UNITS THERE. >> OKAY. AND AS, AS FOR THE PARKINE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? YES. ARE THE CARS I HATE THIS TERM? ARE THE CARS BACKED IN IN INTO THAT SO THAT THE SO THAT THE FRONT OF THE CAR WOULD TRADITIONALLY BE BE

POINTING SOUTH? IS THAT IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? >> SO WHAT WHAT ARE YOU TALKING

ABOUT ON THE ADJACENT ONE OR ON OURS? >> WELL, THAT NO, THAT ONE

YEARS, YEARS. >> WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE NORTH ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THEN THEY WOULD TURN IN AND FACE SOUTH FACING THE BUILDINGS.

>> OKAY, OKAY. THAT WAS EXACTLY MY QUESTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL CONTINUE WITH I'M GOING TO BUTCHER IT BECAUSE I'M BAD AT READING HANDWRITING. JOE LAND HANEY.

>> HOW ABOUT LANA LANUM? >> THAT SOUNDS BETTER TO ME. AND JUST SAY YOUR NAME. YOU

HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> MY NAME IS JOE LANUM. >> AND YOU GOT FOUR MINUTES.

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>> FOUR MINUTES? DO WE GET TO ASK HOW COME THE MAYOR HAD TO RECUSE HIMSELF FROM THIS?

>> I CAN ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT. >> HE SUBMITTED A RECUSAL FORM.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SAYS ON IT, BUT HE DID SUBMIT A RECUSAL FORM WHEN HE ABSTAINED FROM

THIS ITEM. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY SECRETARY HAS THAT. >> SO WOULD THAT MEAN THAT IT

WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT? >> I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO WHAT IS

THE FORM, SAY, CONSULTANT CLIENT OF CONSULTANT. >> YEAH. SEE IT. THIS ALL STARTED WE HAD A MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. AND I ASKED WHEN IT WENT FROM WHEN WE CHANGED OVER TO THE R3 AND THEY SAID IT WAS BACK IN DECEMBER. I OWN THREE PIECES OF PROPERTY OVER THERE, AND I NEVER, EVER GOT A SINGLE NOTICE. THE SECOND TIME AROUND, I GOT A NOTICE FROM MY TENANT OVER THERE AND DIDN'T GET ONE FROM THE CITY, SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW COME I WOULD HAVE PROTESTED A LONG TIME AGO. NOW HERE WE ARE. WE'RE NOW WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE. BUT UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO DECEMBER AND START OVER, WE GOT PUSHED THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING, AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO LISTEN TO ANYBODY'S COMPLAINTS.

AND THAT WAS FOR THREE. THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL CORNER LOT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THREE HOUSES IN THREE AUXILIARY HOMES IN THE BACK. THAT'S TOO MANY. AND NOW YOU WANT TO GO TO FOUR DUPLEXES. EIGHT. WHERE'S EVERYBODY GOING TO GO. THESE THE PARKING SPACES ARE PARKED IT. IT'S TOO MANY CARS AND IT GIVES NOTHING FOR ALL THE GAS AND ALL THE LIVE INS AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT COME ALONG TO STICK AND STAY WITH THEM. THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK.

BOLIVAR WAS SKINNY DOWN A FEW YEARS AGO TO CONTROL THE SPEED, WHICH THAT DIDN'T WORK, AND EVERYBODY STILL PARKED ON BOTH SIDES. THE ONLY CONTROL OF THE SPEED IS, IS YOU CAN'T GET TWO CARS DOWN THE ROAD ANYMORE. FAME DOES NOT MATCH UP. SO YOU GOT THESE TWO STREETS OFF, OFF CENTERED ALL THE RADIUSES WHERE YOU CAN'T PARK. THAT PUTS THEM ALL OFF ON THE SIDE STREETS. I OWN THE PROPERTY STRAIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. I DON'T WANT IT. I'VE SAID THAT. I SAID THAT EVERYBODY SAYS NO. BUT WE KEEP GOING AND GETTING PASSED ON. DON'T THINK THE RESIDENTS ARE BEING HEARD HERE VERY WELL, AND I'M DISAPPOINTED IN THE CITY AND DISAPPOINTED IN THE DEVELOPERS FOR EVEN THINKING THIS. I'VE OWNED PROPERTY OVER THERE FOR OVER 50 YEARS, SO I'M NOT AN INVESTOR. I HAVE A DAUGHTER IN ONE, SO THERE'S NO INCOME. SO IT'S TOO MANY CARS,

TOO MANY PEOPLE. I'M ASKING FOR YOU TO DECLINE IT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT UP WE HAVE

SAM BUNN. STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> I'M SAM BUNN. I LIVE AT 2312 BOULEVARD STREET. I'M THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH. SO THIS ALL STARTS OFF BACK. THEY SAID THEY HAD THE SENT OUT THE MAILERS. OUR FAMILY NEVER GOT ONE. WE CHECK OUR MAIL DAILY.

WE'RE RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE. EVER SINCE WE HEARD ABOUT THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE BEEN ON IT. WE HAVE BEEN TO EVERY MEETING WE HAVE BEEN TO, EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO TO GET OUR INPUT PUT INTO HERE OR NOT. SO THIS IS I HAVE A PARKING LOT TO THE EAST OF ME, AND NOW I HAVE A PARKING LOT TO THE SOUTH OF ME. RIGHT? SO THIS PARKING LOT IS 20FT FROM WHERE I SLEEP AT NIGHT. YOU KNOW, I BOUGHT A HOUSE HERE FOUR YEARS AGO, AND I MEAN, I'M NOT I DON'T COME FROM MONEY. MY WIFE AND I, WE DID THIS ON LIKE $20 AN HOUR SALARIES. WE HAVE SCRIMPED AND SAVED FOR 12 YEARS TO DO THIS. OKAY. AND NOW WE BOUGHT A HOUSE NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. OKAY. NOW, I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO THINK THAT I AM ANTI-DEVELOPMENT OKAY BY RIGHT. HE COULD PUT SIX LOTS FOR SIX UNITS ONTO THIS. AND I THINK THAT'S FAIR. OKAY.

BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GOT WAS THAT WE ARE GOING TO REZONE FIRST, AND THEN POSSIBLY AFTER THAT WE'RE GOING TO ENGINEER AFTERWARDS. NOW, WE HAVE HEARD THAT IF WE GET SIX, IF THERE'S ONLY SIX LOTS, HE CAN'T MAKE HIS PROFIT. OKAY. SO WHAT IF WHAT IF YOU REZONE? OKAY. AND THEN HE GOES TO ENGINEER AND HE FINDS OUT THAT HE CANNOT FIT THAT MANY ON THERE. SO BY HIS OWN ADMISSION, HE CANNOT MAKE A PROFIT ON SIX. SO WHAT IS HE GOING TO DO? HE'S

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THEY'VE BEEN GREAT. OKAY. BUT YEAH, THEY MOVED THE PARKING SPOTS AND ALL THAT STUFF. BUT EVERYBODY KNOWS BIG OLD TRUCKS. THEY BACK IN EVERY SINGLE TIME, RIGHT? I MEAN, NOTHING SAYS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ALL MORE LIKE ALL THESE CARS POINTED AT MY HOUSE. AND WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, I MEAN, FOR THE MEDIUM DENSITY INFILL THAT YOU GUYS WANT, THERE WAS ONE HOUSE ON THAT. NOW, IF THEY COULD BUY, RIGHT, THEY COULD PUT SIX UNITS ON IT. SO YOU'RE ALREADY AT FIVE, RIGHT? SO YOU GUYS ARE ACCOMPLISHING THE FACT OF GETTING THAT MEDIUM DENSITY INFILL. BUT WHAT THIS IS WHAT THIS REZONE IS, IS A CASH GRAB. IT IS THIS MAN PUTTING AS MUCH PEOPLE ONTO THIS SO HE CAN MAKE AS MUCH PROFIT. HE IS EXTRACTING PROFIT FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, A NEIGHBORHOOD HE FRANKLY DOES NOT LIVE IN. NEITHER DOES I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO BE RUDE, BUT NEITHER DO ALL OF YOU. YOU KNOW, THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THIS. AND ACTUALLY, I MEAN, I'M ACTUALLY, IN A WAY KIND OF THANKFUL FOR THIS BECAUSE THIS IS A BROADER NEIGHBORHOOD TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, I KNOW FOR A FACT THERE ARE FIVE HOUSES, HOUSEHOLDS HERE, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IN OPPOSITION. OKAY. THE ONLY PERSON WHO WANTS THIS IS THE MAN WHO'S GOING TO PROFIT, PROFIT, PROFIT, PROFIT. THIS ISN'T ABOUT IMPROVING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW, SURE. I'M VERY HAPPY TO FINALLY HAVE SOMETHING ON THE PROPERTY. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S POORLY MAINTAINED. HE NEVER MOWS. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S JUST LIKE, COME ON, DUDE, YOU WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR? MOW YOUR DAMN PROPERTY. EXCUSE MY LANGUAGE, BUT LIKE, WE HAVE DEALT WITH THIS, LIKE DURING DURING DEMOLITION OF THE ORIGINAL HOME, HIS CONTRACTOR DROPPED A HOUSE ONTO OUR FENCE AND ALMOST HIT OUR HOUSE. LIKE, LITERALLY. NOW HE DID FIX IT. HE FIXED IT. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT STILL, I WANT YOU GUYS TO PUT YOURSELVES IN. I WAS WATCHING A MAN IN A SKID STEER SMACK INTO A HOUSE AND DROP A CHIMNEY. I HAD TO THROW ROCKS AT THIS MAN TO GET HIM TO STOP. SO PLEASE VOTE. NO.

>> THANK YOU, THANK YOU. >> NEXT UP WE HAVE CANDACE DOWNING. JUST STATE YOUR NAME

AND YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> ALL RIGHT. I'M CANDACE DOWNING, THE WIFE OF THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH. LIKE YOU SAID, THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME TO OWN A HOME. I'VE REALLY ENJOYED MAKING FRIENDS WITH ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS. WE CHAT OVER THE FENCE WHILE WE'RE OUT GARDENING AND TRADE PRODUCE AND GO TO EACH OTHER'S LITTLE GARAGE SALES. AND WITH THE PLAN THAT THIS DEVELOPER HAS EVEN BY. EVEN IF WE DON'T REZONE. HIS BACKUP PLAN IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO JUST PUT THREE DUPLEXES. WE WOULD REALLY PREFER THE THREE HOUSES WITH ADUS. IT WOULD FIT WITH THE VIBE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO GET TO KNOW THE NEIGHBORS. IT WOULD GIVE THEM A MORE PLEASANT ENVIRONMENT TO LIVE IN. THE BEST WE'RE FEELING WE'RE GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS IS A PRIVACY FENCE AND A TEN FOOT NO MAN'S LAND, SO WE CAN HIDE THE EYESORE. THAT'S REALLY DISAPPOINTING. WE ASKED ABOUT WHY THE ADU WAS NOT A VIABLE OPTION FOR THEM, AND THE ANSWER WAS THE BUILDING MATERIALS WOULDN'T BE STANDARDIZED ENOUGH TO BRING THE COSTS DOWN LOW ENOUGH FOR THEM TO MAKE WHAT THEY WANT TO MAKE OFF OF IT. IF THEY'RE RUNNING ON SUCH SLIM MARGINS, WHAT'S TO SAY THAT THE SMALLEST SETBACK WON'T MAKE THEM GIVE UP? AND LIKE YOU POINTED OUT, WE HAVE A ZONED PROPERTY WITH A NEW OWNER WITH NO COMMITMENT TO US. IT'S IT'S TICKING TIME BOMB TO US. AND I GOT TO WONDER, LIKE IF THE PROFITABILITY BEING IMMEDIATE WAS SO CRUCIAL, WHY DIDN'T THEY TALK TO US BEFORE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY? AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT IT, THINKING ABOUT DEVELOPING IT. THEY DIDN'T THINK TO ASK ANYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBORS RIGHT NEXT DOOR WHO MIGHT BE AFFECTED THE MOST. IT SHOWS A LACK OF FORESIGHT, AND IT MAKES ME WORRY ABOUT HOW WELL THAT'S THAT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO GO, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CHIMNEY INCIDENT. THE ENGINEERING NOT BEING DONE BEFORE, FIGURING OUT IF THEY CAN EVEN GET THE REZONING DONE. IT JUST IT MAKES US SUPER NERVOUS THAT THEY JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

AMY'S BEEN REALLY GREAT ABOUT LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS AND TRYING TO LIKE COMPROMISE. WE ALL KNOW COMPROMISE IS WHERE NOBODY GETS WHAT THEY WANT. BUT THIS IS PRETTY FAR OUT FROM WHAT WE WERE HOPING WOULD HAPPEN. WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. YOU SAW ON THE MAP JUST TO THE NORTH OF US, THERE'S A DUPLEX GROUP, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

THE PARKING IS IN THE FRONT THROUGH GARAGES. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LITTLE BACKYARDS, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. WE WOULD HAVE BACKYARDS BUTTED UP TO OUR FENCE LINE, THE

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>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT UP, WE HAVE JORDAN SCRUGGS. PLEASE COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND

THEN YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS JORDAN SCRUGGS. OKAY. HI, EVERYONE. I CAN'T SPEAK TOO MUCH TO THE GRIEVANCES OF THE FAMILY THAT LIVES THERE. I'VE NEVER BEEN ON THIS STREET. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE ZONING WORKS. I DON'T

UNDERSTAND ZONING TO. WELL, THANK YOU, BUT. YES, SIR. >> PLEASE.

>> OH. I'M SORRY. IS THIS BETTER? OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. SORRY, EVERYONE. BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THE PROPERTY OWNERS. I WORK WITH HER. AND ALSO I AM RENTING ONE OF HER PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW. AND I CAN SAY THAT SHE IS NOT SOMEONE WHO LIKES TO CAUSE PROBLEMS. SHE IS NOT SOMEONE WHO WILL EVER TREAT PEOPLE POORLY. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT WHAT SHE WANTS TO DO WITH THIS LOT IS TO HELP COLLEGE STUDENTS UP AND COMING, PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO FURTHER THEIR EDUCATION AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE THAT'S AFFORDABLE. I THINK THAT WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, SHE WILL BE FOCUSED MORE SO ON GIVING SOMEONE A PLACE TO STAY WHEN THEY COME HOME FROM THEIR STUDIES, A PLACE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PICK UP A SECOND JOB. THEY DON'T NEED TO PICK UP A THIRD SHIFT SOMEWHERE JUST TO PAY THEIR RENT. SHE HAS ALWAYS BEEN PEOPLE FOCUSED. SHE'S VERY PEOPLE ORIENTED. SHE WORKS VERY HARD EVERY DAY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT SHE HELPS. AND SOMEONE THAT'S LIVED IN ONE OF HER PROPERTIES FOR OVER A YEAR NOW, I CAN TELL YOU THAT SHE HAS ALWAYS LOOKED OUT FOR ME AND HAD HER MY BEST INTEREST AT HEART. SHE'S ALWAYS CHECKING ON ME. SHE'S ALWAYS MAKING SURE I'M OKAY. SHE COMES BY THE PROPERTY JUST JUST TO SAY HELLO. OTHER THAN THAT, I HOPE YOU VOTE YES. I THINK SHE WOULD DO THE RIGHT THING AND REALLY GIVE SOME OF THE YOUNGER PEOPLE COMING IN TO TRYING TO FIGURE

OUT THEIR LIVES A GOOD CHANCE TO HAVE A GOOD START. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT UP WE HAVE CARMEN ENDS. PLEASE COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND THEN YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

>> HELLO. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CARMEN ENDS. I ALSO LIVE IN ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS LOCATIONS. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR OVER TWO YEARS AND I HEAR THE GRIEVANCES. AND I ALSO AM BACKED ON TO A DUPLEX. BUT I'M VERY GRATEFUL AND LUCKY THAT I DON'T SUFFER THE SAME CONSEQUENCES OF THE LIGHT SHINING IN THE NOISE. IT'S THE APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THE CORNER OF ROSS AND CAROL, AND NO ISSUES THERE. I HAVE BEEN VERY APPRECIATIVE OVER THE TWO YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN THERE FOR THE RATE THAT I PAY. I KNOW AFFORDABLE IS A BIT OF A TOUCHY WORD, BUT IT'S BEEN VERY COMFORTABLE FOR ME. DON'T HAVE TO PICK UP SECOND JOB. THE LOCATION IS REALLY GREAT AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE THIS KIND OF HOUSING AND AVAILABILITY FOR, AS MR. SCRUGGS MENTIONED, THE COLLEGE STUDENTS THAT ARE COMING IN, IT'S VERY CLOSE WALKING DISTANCE TO THE CAMPUS. AND ACTUALLY CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW ON THE PROPERTY THAT I LIVE ON, THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE AND IT'S A COLLEGE LEVEL. WOMEN LIVE THERE AND WE GET ALONG GREAT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT WE COULD HAVE BAD NEIGHBORS, BUT WE GOT LUCKY. WE HAVE GREAT NEIGHBORS. AND THE SUPPORT AND ATTENTION THAT WE GET FROM THE REYES FAMILY IS PHENOMENAL. I ALSO AM VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT KEEPING DENTON AS DENTON IS. I LOVE THE VIBE. AS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S A GREAT CITY AND THE HOMES THAT THEY'VE BUILT SO FAR FIT THE VIBE. IN MY OPINION. THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL HOMES, THEY'RE MAINTAINED WELL, AND EVERY CALL THAT WE HAVE TO THEM ABOUT SERVICING, WHICH ARE VERY FEW, WE GET RESPONSES RIGHT AWAY. AND I DO BELIEVE IN MY HEART THAT THEY HAVE DENTON'S BEST

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>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT UP, WE HAVE ELIZABETH HURTADO. AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. YOU'LL

HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS ELIZABETH HURTADO. I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THE NEIGHBORS, TO THE NORTH. HAMMOND. CANDACE, I RECOGNIZE THAT FROM A ZONING MAP, THIS PROPOSAL APPEARS TO CONTINUE AND EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, BUT I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S ON PAPER AND HOW IT FEELS ON THE GROUND. IT REALLY IS THAT LITTLE STRETCH OF BOULEVARD. IT'S A QUIET LITTLE BUBBLE FOR US, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE DUPLEXES THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY EAST OF US, WHICH I'LL MENTION IN A MOMENT, THE DUPLEXES FARTHER DOWN THE STREET ON BOULEVARD GENERALLY HAVE MORE BREATHING ROOM. THEY HAVE SMALLER SHARED PARKING AREAS AND DON'T CREATE THE SAME CONCENTRATION OF PARKING AND VEHICLE ACTIVITY. THESE FOUR PROPOSED DUPLEXES WOULD SIT ONLY ABOUT TEN FEET APART, AND ALL 16 PARKING SPACES WOULD BE SERVED BY ONE SHARED LOT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE. MY BACKYARD ALREADY BACKS UP TO THE EXISTING SHARED DRIVE, SERVING THE FOUR DUPLEXES THAT FACE ELM STREET. ALTHOUGH THOSE ARE TECHNICALLY DUPLEXES, THE PARKING AREA FEELS MUCH MORE LIKE A MULTIFAMILY PARKING BECAUSE OF THE SIZE AND CONCENTRATION. I KNOW FIRSTHAND WHAT IT IS FEELS LIKE LIVING NEXT TO THAT TYPE OF LOT. WE REGULARLY HEAR MUSIC ARGUMENTS, VEHICLES COMING AND GOING, HEADLIGHTS, BY THE WAY THE HEADLIGHTS ARE FACING AWAY FROM THEM, BEHIND THEIR LOT, AND THEY STILL SEE THE HEADLIGHTS. WE'VE EVEN HAD TRASH THROWN IN OUR YARD, SO IT IS A NUISANCE.

YOU LIVE WITH IT BECAUSE THE SMALL HOUSES RENTS AFFORDABLE AND YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU LIVE WITH IT. I'M NOT SPECULATING ABOUT THESE IMPACTS, I EXPERIENCE THEM NOW CONSIDER THE IMPACT ON MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, SAM AND CANDACE TODAY. THEY ALREADY LIVE WITH ONE SHARED PARKING LOT BEHIND THEIR BACKYARD. THIS PROPOSAL WOULD ADD ANOTHER SHARED PARKING AREA ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THEIR SIDE YARD, AND THEY GARDEN AND THE FRONT YARD THEY GUARD IN THE BACKYARD, SO IT'S A BIG DEAL FOR THEM. I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE DUPLEXES PROPOSED FOR THIS PROJECT WOULD BE MARKET RATE RENTAL UNITS, NOT DEED RESTRICTED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO WHILE THE PROJECT WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS, IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY CREATE GUARANTEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. FINALLY, MY LAST CONCERN IS THAT ZONING IS PERMANENT. IF FOR ANY REASON THE PROJECT NO LONGER MAKES FINANCIAL SENSE FOR THE CURRENT OWNER, IT WOULD BE SOLD AND THE FUTURE OWNER WOULD INHERIT THE R SEVEN ZONING. BUT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE FAR LESS OPPORTUNITY TO INFLUENCE WHAT ULTIMATELY GETS BUILT. FOR ALL OF THESE REASONS THAT I'VE MENTIONED, I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO DENY THE REQUESTED REZONING. AND ALSO ONE THING THAT WE WERE TOLD DURING THESE MEETINGS IS THAT THESE WERE NOT DEVELOPERS, BUT WE JUST HAD PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THEIR APARTMENTS SPEAK TO US.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE TREND THAT THEY'RE GOING. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. THANK

YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT UP, WE HAVE CASEY KENNICOTT. STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

>> HI, CASEY KENNICOTT HERE. I LIVE AT 2303 BOLIVAR STREET, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ALL OF THIS. THAT'S HAPPENING. AND A LOT OF GOOD POINTS WERE BROUGHT UP IN OPPOSITION, AND I AGREE WITH THOSE. SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED RECENTLY TO START WITH IS I DON'T THINK THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN HANDLE IT. YESTERDAY MORNING I WALKED OUTSIDE AND BETWEEN TALL, FAIR OR HOWEVER YOU SAY IT, IN BOLIVAR AND BOLIVAR, IT WAS BOLIVAR, TELFER. TELFER AND BOLIVAR. THERE'S WATER GUSHING OUT OF THE SEWER AND THERE WAS A BURST WATER PIPE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S CLEARLY A PROBLEM THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN WORKED ON. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING NEW. THAT WAS LIKE THREE YEARS AGO THAT THEY FIXED THAT AND EVERYTHING. SO MAYBE FIX THAT BEFORE ADDING FOUR DUPLEXES ONTO A PLACE. TWO LIKE CHEAP. THIS JUST FEELS CHEAP AND LIKE

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ALSO THE THE COLLEGE STUDENT THING, LIKE WALKABLE, IT'S BARELY WALKABLE. UNIVERSITY IS RIGHT THERE. LIKE IT'S NOT A SAFE ROAD. IF YOU THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A WALKABLE PLACE. I BIKE ALL OVER TOWN AND CROSSING UNIVERSITY. THAT'S INSANE. ANYWAYS, THE TREE PLAN UP HERE, I IT'S I GUESS THEY'RE KEEPING TREES, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE KEEPING THE TREES THAT ACTUALLY LIKE COVER THE LOT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOT THE PREVIOUS PLACE, YOU COULD BARELY SEE THE HOUSE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THERE'S TREES EVERYWHERE. THIS LOOKS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO THAT'S ANOTHER POINT. AND LIKE JUST AGAIN, LIKE I DIDN'T MOVE HERE TO LIVE LIKE IN A STRIP MALL, LIKE A LOT OF LIKE FRISCO AND THE COLONY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. LOOKS LIKE I CAME HERE TO BE IN DENTON AND BE LOCAL, BE, BE WITH LIKE THE VIBE OF DENTON AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THIS JUST DOESN'T FEEL LIKE SOMETHING THAT VIBES WITH DENTON. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE CORPORATE LOOKING FOR MONEY, STUFFING PEOPLE ON TO A LOT, AND I'M AGAINST IT. SO PLEASE

VOTE NO. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT IS THE END OF THE BLUE CARDS I HAVE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT. ALL RIGHT. YEAH, YOU CAN DO THAT AFTERWARDS. DO THAT AFTER YOU SPEAK. BUT RIGHT NOW IF YOU JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND THEN YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

THANK YOU. >> DENISE. I LIVE ON BOLIVAR. I MOVED HERE LAST ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, AND IT HAS A NICE RURAL, QUIET FEELING. IT'S PRETTY. AND THIS PROPERTY, I DON'T SEE HOW THEY'RE STUFFING SO MUCH ON THIS. THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE. THERE'S TREES ALONG BOLIVAR. I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO COME DOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY IN THE WAY. I. THAT TAKES AWAY FROM WHERE I WANTED TO LIVE. IT'S VERY QUIET THERE. NOW. THIS IS GOING TO IT'S GOING TO BE SO MUCH MORE TRAFFIC AND NOISE AND POLLUTION AND PARKING, AND IT'S JUST GOING TO HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT FEEL. AND I JUST THINK IT'S JUST STUFFING TOO MUCH. I ALSO FEEL WHY DO THEY NEED TO MAKE THIS R SEVEN? THERE ARE OTHER DUPLEXES ON BOLIVAR NOW WHERE WHERE R THREE AND THEY'RE VERY NICE HOUSES. WHY CAN'T THEY DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE THIS STUFFED IN HOUSES THAT THEY WANT? SO I REALLY FEEL SAD THAT IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT, I FEEL LIKE IT'S KIND OF RUINING A NICE LITTLE AREA OF DENTON THAT I

JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE RUINED. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE MAKE SURE TO FILL OUT A BLUE CARD AFTERWARDS. BUT IF

YOU'D SAY YOUR NAME AND THEN YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> OKAY. GOOD EVENING. CHAMBER.

MY NAME IS LISA GALETTA. I LIVE AT 2327 BOLIVAR STREET WITH MY MOM. I JUST WANT TO ECHO EVERYTHING THAT MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID, LIKE, IT'S A REALLY LOVELY AREA AND IT'S SO NOT

DENTON TO DO THIS. SO PLEASE VOTE NO THANKS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? OKAY. BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, I WANT TO GIVE COUNCIL. RIGHT. THE APPLICANT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP TO SPEAK AGAIN, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED TO RESPOND.

>> I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK NOTES HERE OF SOME POINTS OF CLARIFICATION THERE. THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT THE ALTERNATIVE OPTION IS TO DO AN SUP FOR DUPLEXES. AND UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING THAT IS NOT PERMITTED. IT IS SINGLE FAMILY ONLY. IT WOULD REQUIRE REZONING EVEN TO DO DUPLEXES WITH AN SUP. THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE THAT THE R-3 ZONING WAS ADOPTED IN

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AND I JUST APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY THOSE POINTS. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? AND BEFORE WE HEAD INTO DISCUSSION. I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. IF NO ONE ELSE DID, AND I MIGHT BE MISTAKEN WHEN I WAS WATCHING BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE ON COUNCIL AT THAT TIME WHEN I WAS WATCHING THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING, WHEN YOU CAME UP TO PRESENT, I THINK IT WAS MAY 5TH. I THOUGHT YOU HAD SAID THAT THIS WAS THE OWNER'S FIRST INVESTMENT PROPERTY. DID I MISHEAR THAT?

>> YOU DID NOT? I, I AT THE TIME I THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY. I JUST AM LEARNING THAT THEY'VE

GOT SOME OTHER PROPERTIES THAT THEY'VE GOT TENANTS IN. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANTED THAT CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT WILL CLOSE OUR PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYONE WANT TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, AMY, AND THANK YOU, EVERYONE WHO CAME TONIGHT TO SPEAK. I ATTENDED THE MAY 5TH MEETING IN PERSON, AND I ALSO HAD A CHANCE TO WATCH THE JANUARY PNC MEETING IN ITS ENTIRETY. I ALSO AGREE THERE'S NO NEED TO APOLOGIZE FOR USING THE WORD AFFORDABLE, AND I UNDERSTAND THE MISCONCEPTION IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SPACE. I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED. LOOKING AT THE EXISTING MAP AND THE OVERLAY OF THE CURRENT R7 THAT EXISTS, AND HOW THAT BACKS UP TO THE FOLKS THAT HAVE COME TO SPEAK TONIGHT. AND IN THE CITY STAFF'S REPORT SAYING, WHILE IT DOES MEET NUMEROUS METRICS, IT IS PREFERRED TO BE LOW RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS 1 TO 5 UNITS. AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SQUEEZING EIGHT UNITS INTO THIS DENSITY ON LESS THAN THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE OF LAND, IT'S A VERY NARROW MARGIN OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO FIT INTO THIS LOT. AND THAT IS VERY CONCERNING TO ME. AND I REMEMBER IN THE MAY 5TH MEETING, IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT THAT WOULD MOSTLY LOOK LIKE TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS, TWO PLACES BECAUSE OF HOW TINY THEY ARE. YOU COULDN'T FIT ANOTHER BEDROOM IN THEM. AND WITH MARKET RENT BEING FOR A TWO BEDROOM AROUND 1350 TO 1700, I WONDER IF WE'RE ALREADY IN AN R-3? WHAT'S STOPPING THE PROJECT FROM DEVELOPING THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH ADUS, WHICH THE NEIGHBORS ARE SAYING THEY ARE 100% FOR. BECAUSE IN THE SPACE I WORK IN, I THINK THAT PROJECT CAN STILL PENCIL IF YOU'RE RENTING THEM, ESPECIALLY. AND I ALSO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVEN FILE AN SUP FOR A SECOND ADDITIONAL ADU, NO QUESTION MARK. YES. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

ANGIE. SO THERE ARE THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN YOUR CURRENT ZONING THAT GIVE YOU OPPORTUNITY AND BUY IN FROM THE NEIGHBORS. SO FOR ME, THIS JUST FEELS LIKE WHILE, YES, IT TICKS CERTAIN BOXES IN P AND Z, AND WE DO ZONE A LOT MORE THAN WE PLAN, SOMETIMES I THINK IT'S AN INTENTIONAL. IF FOR ME, IT'S INTENTIONAL. AND I, WE DROVE DOWN THAT STREET, THOSE THREE STREETS, BOLIVAR, TOLLIVER. FAIN. AND THEY ARE INCREDIBLY NARROW. AND I CAN'T IMAGINE TRYING TO GET TO WORK IN THE MORNING AND HAVING TO WAIT AND PLAY THIS GAME OF, OKAY, IT'S YOUR TURN NOW. NOW IT'S MY TURN. I NEED TO GET TO WORK. I HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH COFFEE. I'M READY TO GO. ALL THAT TO SAY, I APPRECIATE SAM AND CANDACE. I APPRECIATE THE WAY ELIZABETH FRAMED IT TOO. IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GARDEN IN YOUR BACKYARD AND YOU'RE TRYING PUTTING YOURSELF IN ONESELF IN SOME SHOES, RIGHT? I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT YOU

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AND WATCH YOU. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER.

COUNCIL MEMBER. RUMOHR. >> YES. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. WHAT IS THE MECHANISM OR THE PROCESS? IF&IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD THREE HOMES AND THREE ACRES ON THIS

LOT, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? >> SURE. SO THIS IS I HAVE A MY VISUAL MIGHT HELP. THIS IS CURRENTLY ONE LOT. SO IF SOMEBODY WERE TO WANT TO UNDER EXISTING ZONING IN OUR THREE DEVELOP THREE HOMES WITH THREE ADUS, WE WOULD FIRST REQUIRE THEM TO, TO PLAT THE LOT INTO THOSE THREE LOTS, MEETING THAT MINIMUM 10,000 SQUARE FOOT REQUIREMENT FOR EACH LOT AT THAT TIME, RIGHT OF WAY ASSESSMENT WOULD ALSO BE DONE. SO THESE ARE RESIDENTIAL STREETS. IF THEY NEED TO DEDICATE ANY, THAT WOULD BE DONE AT THE PLANNING STAGE. AND THEN FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THEY COULD GO STRAIGHT TO BUILDING PERMIT. SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A ZONING COMPLIANCE PLAN THAT WE TYPICALLY SEE WITH THESE INDIVIDUAL LOTS. SO THEY WOULD THEN SUBMIT THEIR PERMITS TO STAFF. THEY COULD SUBMIT THE ADU PERMITS CONCURRENT WITH THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SETBACKS THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE MET FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND APPROPRIATE DISTANCES FROM THE ADU AND THE MAIN STRUCTURE. AND THEN ONCE THAT IS SATISFIED, THEY COULD GO AHEAD AND

CONSTRUCT THEIR PRODUCTS. >> DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE TO DO THREE R-3

LOTS HERE? >> I, I BELIEVE THAT IT IS POSSIBLE. I DO THINK IT COULD PENCIL. IT WOULD COME DOWN TO THE ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION THAT THEY'RE NEEDING TO DO, BUT WITH A, WITH A THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE LOT AND THAT MINIMUM 10,000FT■!S, THAT

THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR THEM. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS, SO I'LL JUST TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY AS WELL JUST TO KIND OF SHARE WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW AND HOW I SEE THIS PROJECT. I DON'T. I DON'T SEE THIS AS THE CONCEPT PLAN DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT MY VOTE. WHAT IMPACTS MY VOTE IS, DOES OUR SEVEN BELONG HERE? AND FOR ME, IT DOES NOT. EVEN IF THIS WAS THE PERFECT PLAN OR CONCEPT OF A PLAN, YOU KNOW. IT COULD BE SOLD TOMORROW. IT COULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. THE OWNERS COULD DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THEY WOULD. IT'S JUST THE QUESTION IS NOT ABOUT THE CONCEPT FOR ME. IT'S ABOUT, DOES OUR SEVEN BELONG HERE? AND IT DOESN'T. AND I APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBORS. I MEAN, THIS IS A MILE FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I WALK THIS AREA OFTEN. AND IN THAT AREA, SPECIFICALLY TO Y'ALL'S CREDIT, YOU HAD POINTED OUT, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY YOU WERE FINE WITH, BUT ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT THERE COULD BE SIX UNITS THERE. I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT LIKE MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS FAIRLY COMPACT, BUT I JUST CAN'T, I CAN'T, I CAN'T GET TO R7 IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS PLAN OR THIS ZONING REQUEST. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS, BUT I DO SEE A MOTION FROM

COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. I APPRECIATE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'VE MADE SINCE THE MAY MEETING, BUT THERE'S STILL TOO MANY CONCERNS FROM CONSTITUENTS

HERE. SO I'M MOVING. DENIAL. >> COUNCIL MEMBER FERRY. >> I SECOND.

>> NOW I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN WHEN WE VOTE YES. IF YOU VOTE YES, THAT WOULD MEAN YOU ARE DENYING IT. SO YES MEANS NO. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON

THE SAME PAGE. YES IS A DENIAL. >> A POINT OF ORDER? PLEASE, SIR.

>> STATE YOUR POINT OF ORDER. >> THE THE BOARD SAYS MOTION TO ADOPT.

>> CITY ATTORNEY. >> YEAH. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT SAYS ON THE BOARD. THE

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>> SO SO A YES, A YES VOTE IS TO DENY THE ZONING CHANGE. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> I'M GOING TO REPEAT IT ONE MORE TIME. JUST A YES VOTE IS TO DENY THE ZONING CHANGE. I'M VOTING SHOULD APPEAR ON THE SCREEN.

AM I DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT? DISAPPEARED. OKAY, THERE WE GO. THAT MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU ALL. AND WE'RE GOING TO RESUME BACK WITH OUR I THINK WE CONCLUDED ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE BACK TO OUR ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. AND WE LEFT OFF AT AGENDA ITEM D. SO WE'LL MOVE ON WITH AGENDA ITEM D3D IS I'D 26-0990.

[D. ID 26-0990 Consider approval of a resolution to appoint a member to the Board of Directors of the Texas Municipal Power Agency, a Texas Joint Powers Agency, to represent the City of Denton, a Texas Home-Rule Municipal Corporation; and declaring an effective date.]

RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS CHRIS LUKIC.

I'M THE ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER WITH MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC. AND TONIGHT I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL POWER AGENCY OR TMPA AND WALK YOU THROUGH THE ACTION NEEDED TO APPOINT DENTON'S REPRESENTATIVE TO THE TNP BOARD. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TMPATMPA IS A JOINT POWERS AGENCY. THAT'S SIMPLY THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK THAT ALLOWS MULTIPLE PUBLIC ENTITIES TO OWN AND OPERATE. IN THIS CASE, AN ELECTRIC UTILITY. OUR OUR PARTNERS IN THE AGENCY ARE THE CITIES OF BRIAN GARLAND AND GREENVILLE. TNF A WAS CREATED IN 1975 WITH ITS PRIMARY FOCUS TO GENERATE AND SELL ELECTRICITY AND TO PARTICIPATE IN THE WHOLESALE TRANSMISSION MARKET. SO AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, OVER THE LAST 51 YEARS, T MPA HAS GONE THROUGH SOME STRUCTURE CHANGES, THE BIGGEST BEING IN 2021. THEIR GENERATION ASSETS WERE SOLD. SO TMPA OWNED A POWER PLANT THAT WAS EAST OF BRYAN-COLLEGE STATION. IT WAS GIBBONS CREEK AND IT HAD GOT TO ITS END OF LIFE. IT WAS SOLD. THE PLANT HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED AND THE LAND IS BEING RECLAIMED. SO THE ADJACENT MINE PROPERTY THAT SUPPORTED THE OPERATION OF THE PLANT HAS ALSO BEEN FULLY SOLD. THAT LEAVES TMPA TODAY PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON THEIR TRANSMISSION ASSETS. THESE ASSETS ARE LOCATED WITHIN AND ADJACENT TO THE MEMBER CITIES.

MUCH LIKE DENTON. THE OUTER TRANSMISSION LOOP IN DENTON IS TMPA OWNED TMA OWNS A. EARNS A REGULATED RATE OF RETURN ON THOSE ASSETS AND IS CONTINUALLY LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL TRANSMISSION PROJECTS IN THE ERCOT MARKET. THE FUTURE OF TMPA THAT'S IN THE HANDS OF THE MEMBER CITIES. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF OPTIONS TODAY. IT'S JUST OPERATING AS A TRANSMISSION OPERATOR. BUT IN THE FUTURE, THE CITIES HAVE THE ABILITY TO UNBUNDLE THOSE ASSETS, WHICH MEANS EACH MEMBER CITY WOULD TAKE THEIR PROPORTION OF THOSE ASSETS. AND OR THERE'S THE THE AGENCY COULD BE DISSOLVED. THE TMPATMPA IS GOVERNED BY A BOARD OF EIGHT MEMBERS, TWO FROM EACH MEMBER CITY SERVING TWO YEAR STAGGERED TERMS. FOR THE DME TO BE THE DME REPRESENTATIVE, THEY HAVE TO MEET ONE OF THE FOUR FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS. THE FIRST IS A QUALIFIED VOTER RESIDING WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. A CITY EMPLOYEE OR OFFICER. ONE OF YOU CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OR A RETAIL CUSTOMER OF DME. SO RECENTLY TMPA OFFICIALLY

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BOTH OF THOSE NOMINEES HAVE COMPLETED THEIR APPLICATION AND THEY WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR BACKUP. SO TONIGHT, THE ACTION REQUIRED PER TMPAS GOVERNANCE RULE IS. THE CITY COUNCIL MUST FORMALLY ADOPT A RESOLUTION OF APPOINTMENT FOR THE REPRESENTATIVE, FILLING THE UPCOMING TERM TO AVOID ANY LAPSE IN DENTON'S REPRESENTATION ON THAT BOARD.

WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THAT RESOLUTION BE APPROVED TONIGHT. FOR CLARITY. THERE'S THERE'S A STATEMENT HERE THAT WHEN MAKING THE THE THE MOTION, PLEASE USE THE THE PHRASE MOVE APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION WITH NAME OF PERSON IN EACH OF THE APPROPRIATE BLANKS. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT NOMINEE WOULD THEIR TERM WOULD START ON SATURDAY, JULY 18TH AND RUN FOR TWO YEARS. SO WITH THAT, I'LL LEAVE THIS UP THERE FOR THAT LANGUAGE AND CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY

HAVE. >> SURE. COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER. >> I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I JUST HAVE COMMENTS. SO IF SOMEONE ELSE HAS A QUESTION FIRST, THAT'S FINE.

>> SURE. GO AHEAD. NO, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

>> OKAY. IF I COULD JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO COMMENT ON WHY I'M MAKING THE NOMINATION THAT I AM AND VOTING THE WAY I AM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THAT JASON BORDER IS AN EXCELLENT PERSON, EXCELLENT I THINK I HAVE SIMILAR QUALIFICATIONS. HOWEVER, I WILL BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF KEEPING BILLY CHIK IN THIS POSITION, AND THAT IS BECAUSE WITH THIS BOARD, THIS IS NOT, AS YOU SAID, JUST A GROUP FROM THE CITY OF DENTON LOOKING OUT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY OF DENTON. THIS IS A GROUP THAT REPRESENTS DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES, AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT DYNAMICS. WHAT I WANT TO PRESERVE IS THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE THAT MR. CHIK HAS, THAT HE HAS HAD ON THIS BOARD, AS WELL AS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, FROM OUR OTHER REPRESENTATIVE IN THE PAST CONVERSATIONS LIKE, YOU KNOW, A YEAR OR TWO AGO, THAT THE RELATIONSHIPS ARE ALSO VERY IMPORTANT AS FAR AS THE GIVE AND TAKE. AND SO, AS WELL AS MR. CHEEK'S PROFESSION INVOLVED UTILITIES FOR MANY DECADES. SO WITH THAT, I THINK THAT IT'S IN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST TO KEEP MR. CHIK WITH THAT TO TO BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE. BUT I WOULD VOTE FOR JASON BADOR FOR ALMOST ANYTHING ELSE THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO PUT HIS NAME FOR.

SO THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMEMBER JESTER, WE HAVE ANOTHER REQUEST TO SPEAK BEFORE I RECOGNIZE YOU AS AS MAKING A MOTION. SO COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY.

>> OKAY, THERE WE GO. I WANTED TO PLAY GAMES. YEAH. I WANTED TO SPEAK TO MY NOMINATION. YOU KNOW I IN THE BACKUP I WAS I WAS INFORMED THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL ACTUALLY WAS NOT RETURNING TO THEIR SEAT. THAT'S THE BACKUP THAT I RECEIVED. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE READ THAT BACKUP, BUT ALSO I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE JASON BHARDWAJ'S ACHIEVEMENTS.

YOU KNOW, THIS PERSON SERVED ON THE DENTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS ON THEIR BOARD. THEY'VE SERVED ON DENTON MAIN STREET ASSOCIATION'S BOARD WITH ME. THEY'VE SERVED ON THE DENTON FOUNDATION BOARD, AND I THINK STILL DO. THEY ARE VERY INNOVATIVE AND BRILLIANT, AND A BUSINESS OWNER WHO OWNS PART OF THE TEXAS BUILDING DOWNTOWN. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ROOTED IN DENTON. THEY'RE INCREDIBLY BRIGHT. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE EXCUSE ME, THEY'RE THEY'RE LITERALLY ON THE GRID ECONOMICS ABOUT OUR DERS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REX AND DEX, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF A CITY EMPLOYEE, JASON BAUDER IS THE PERSON I GO TO SPEAK TO ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY AND ENERGY, BECAUSE HE KNOWS A GREAT DEAL. AND THAT'S NOT EVEN HIS FULL TIME JOB. SO I PUT JASON FORTH BECAUSE I'VE SEEN HIM BE IN LEADERSHIP ROLES AND CREATE REALLY GREAT STRATEGIC PLANS AND MAKE AND ACHIEVE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT GOALS TO HELP PUSH FORWARD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF DENTON. AND I THINK HE CAN DO

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THE EXACT SAME ON TMPA. SO THANKS. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PERRY, FOR THAT. ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WISHING TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE. COUNCIL MEMBER

JESTER. >> THANK YOU. AND I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION WITH

BILLY CHEEK IN EACH OF THE APPROPRIATE BLANKS. >> OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER

VILLARREAL. >> I'LL SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. LET'S VOTE ON THE BOARD. MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 1. WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM F,

[F. ID 26-1031 Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with SHI Government Solutions, Inc., through the Texas Department of Information Resources (DIR) Cooperative Contract No. DIR-CPO-5237, for the purchase of Microsoft Licensing, Products & Related Services for the Technology Services Department; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (File 9068 - awarded to SHI Government Solutions, Inc., with a term ending September 30, 2031, in the not-to-exceed amount of $7,001,117.00).]

PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE. THIS ONE WILL GO PRETTY QUICK. >> IT WILL PROMISE ONE SLIDE.

KRISTI FOGEL, CHIEF OF STAFF AND INTERIM CITY SECRETARY. EARLIER TODAY, COUNCIL PROVIDED DIRECTION TO BRING FORWARD THREE NOMINATIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE.

IT CONSISTS OF THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS SERVING ONE YEAR TERMS. THE COMMITTEE MONITORS THE ALLOCATION, USE OF BOTH HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX AND SPONSORSHIP FUNDS, AND COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND, COUNCIL MEMBER FERRI AND COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL HAVE BEEN PUT FORWARD AS

NOMINEES FOR THIS COMMITTEE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COUNCIL MEMBER RUMOHR.

>> I'D LIKE TO MOTION APPROVAL. >> MAYOR PRO TEM SECOND. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. LET'S VOTE PLEASE. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. NOW WE'LL GO TO AGENDA ITEM F. I WAS SO EXCITED TO CALL THAT. ALL RIGHT HERE WE GO. AGENDA ITEM F ID 26-1031. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH SHI GOVERNMENT SOLUTIONS, INC.

THROUGH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF INFORMATION RESOURCES COOPERATIVE CONTRACT NUMBER

DIR-CP05237. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE MICROSOFT ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT. I AM MICHAEL DEEGAN, THE CHIEF TECHNOLOGY OFFICER OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF DENTON. WE'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW AND BACKGROUND. MICROSOFT'S ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT E IS DESIGNED FOR BUSINESSES THAT IMPLEMENT ENTERPRISE WIDE STANDARDS TO ENHANCE BUSINESS PRODUCTIVITY, PROVIDES A FRAMEWORK FOR MAKING SOFTWARE LICENSE PURCHASES AND MANAGEMENT MORE EFFICIENT. THE CITY OF DENTON MOVED TO THE MICROSOFT E MODEL IN 2013 AND IS PURCHASED THROUGH THE TEXAS DIR COOPERATIVE PURCHASING NETWORK. THE BACKGROUND IS. IT COVERS ALL MICROSOFT SOFTWARE LICENSING, COLLABORATION TOOLS, CLOUD SERVICES AND ALSO PROVIDES BASIC. MICROSOFT VIRTUAL TRAINING PROVIDES ACCESS TO THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY FROM MICROSOFT THAT INCLUDES UPGRADE LICENSING FOR NEW VERSIONS OF SOFTWARE. IT ALLOWS US TO STAY CURRENT WITHOUT HAVING TO BUY DIFFERENT VERSIONS, ABLE TO EASILY AND QUICKLY ADD SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS AND LICENSES WHILE KEEPING COSTS PREDICTABLE. EXAMPLES OF THE LICENSES ON THE E, A WINDOWS SERVER OPERATING SYSTEMS, SQL DATABASE SYSTEMS, MICROSOFT TEAMS, AND OTHER COLLABORATION TOOLS. SHAREPOINT AND POWER BI FOR ANALYTICAL PRESENTATIONS. DESKTOP OPERATING SYSTEMS LIKE WINDOWS 11, THE FULL MICROSOFT OFFICE SUITE, WHICH IS YOUR WORD, EXCEL, POWERPOINT, AND EMAIL USER SECURITY THROUGH DEFENDER AND SECURE DATA STORAGE AND RETENTION BY USING ONEDRIVE AND SHAREPOINT STORAGE FACILITIES. THE ESTIMATED FIVE YEAR CONTRACT COSTS FOR THIS NEXT RENEWAL IS GOING TO HAVE A NOT TO EXCEED $7 MILLION. WE HAVE SEEN INCREASES SINCE THE LAST E RENEWAL, AND THE PRICES OF MICROSOFT LICENSES HAVE GONE UP.

SO THIS IS KEEPING US CURRENT. AND THIS WILL ALSO INCLUDE A 10% CONTINGENCY THAT WILL ALLOW US TO BE A LITTLE FLEXIBLE AS NEW PROJECTS COME ON OR THE CITY CONTINUES TO GROW THE

STAFF. ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. COUNCIL

MEMBER JESTER. >> WELL, IT'S PAINFUL, BUT IT'S NECESSARY. CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT IT. SO I MOVE APPROVAL. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE WORK YOU

DO. >> THANK YOU. >> COUNCILMEMBER VILLARREAL.

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>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S VOTE ON THE BOARD, PLEASE. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. I HAVE A PRESENTATION TO MAKE. SO, MICHAEL, IF YOU COULD JOIN ME BACK UP AT THE PODIUM, I'D APPRECIATE THAT. CARRYING ON THE FINE TRADITION THAT WAS BEGUN LAST COUNCIL TERM, WE WANTED TO PRESENT YOU WITH AN ELEPHANT TO CELEBRATE YOUR FIRST PRESENTATION. IT'LL BE A MEMORABLE MOMENT THAT YOU'LL NEVER FORGET. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. GREAT PRESENTATION. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH THE

CITY? >> SINCE MARCH 9TH OF THIS YEAR. >> MARCH 9TH. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT AND WELCOME ABOARD AND GREAT, GREAT JOB. THANK YOU,

THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, I'M NEW TO THIS THING. >> SO SO AM I. YEAH.

>> THANK YOU. DISPLAY IT PROUDLY.

[G. ID 26-0945 Consider approval of a resolution of the City Council of the City of Denton for the appointment of one member to the Board of Managers of the Denco Area 9-1-1 District for a two-year term beginning on October 1, 2026 and ending on September 30, 2028; and providing an effective date.]

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS SUZANNE COLETTA. I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF POLICE SERVICES, AND I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IN REFERENCE TO AN APPOINTMENT OF A BOARD MEMBER TO THE DUNKIRK AREA. 911 BOARD. THE AREA 911 DISTRICT WAS CREATED IN 1987. THEY'RE GOVERNED BY A BOARD OF MANAGERS APPOINTED BY THE COUNTY, PARTICIPATING CITIES AND THE DENTON FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION. EACH YEAR, THE TERM OF ONE OF THE TWO MEMBERS THAT ARE APPOINTED BY APPOINTED BY MUNICIPALITIES ARE EXPIRES, AND THIS YEAR, THE TERM OF BOARD MEMBER JIM CARTER EXPIRES ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026, AND MR. CARTER IS SEEKING REELECTION. ON JUNE 1ST, 2026. THE CITY RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM DEMCO FOR A CITY VOTE ON THE SLATE OF NOMINEES, AND THEN TO NOTIFY DEMCO OF THE COUNCIL SELECTION BY JULY 31ST, 2024.

THAT SHOULD BE 2026. MY APOLOGIES. THE NOMINEES ARE JIM CARTER, THE INCUMBENT, AND THEN

ANNE MARTIN. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COUNCIL

MEMBER JESTER? >> I'LL MOVE TO NOMINATE JIM CARTER TO RETURN IN HIS POSITION ON BEHALF OF OUR CITY AS WELL AS THE OTHER CITIES HE REPRESENTS.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER RUMOHR. >> I SECOND AND I APPRECIATE

MISS MARTIN ALSO PUTTING HER HAT IN THE RING FOR THIS. >> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. LET'S VOTE PLEASE. MOTION PASSES 7 TO 0. THANK YOU.

[H. ID 26-0982 Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton naming the park sites located at 700 block Congress St. and 500 block of Mounts Ave. to Congress Street Park; and providing an effective date. The Parks, Recreation, and Beautification Board voted to recommend approval (5-0).]

PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> THIS WILL BE ONE PRESENTATION FOR THE TWO ITEMS.

>> OKAY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL IT THEN. OKAY. WE'LL CALL AGENDA ITEM I, WHICH IS I'D 26-0983. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON NAMING THE PARK SITE LOCATED AT 510 HERCULES LANE TO HERCULES PARK AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> OKAY, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. TODAY WE HAVE TWO NEW PARK PROPERTIES TO RECEIVE FORMAL NAMES FOR IDENTIFICATION AND SIGNAGE PURPOSES. THE CITY'S NAMING POLICY WAS ADOPTED IN 2020 AND WAS UPDATED IN 2026 TO FORMALIZE THE PARKS, RECREATION AND BEAUTIFICATION BOARD AS THE COMMITTEE THAT REVIEWS NAMING APPLICATIONS AND MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL. THE PARK NAMES UNDER CONSIDERATION TODAY ARE FOR CONGRESS STREET PARK AND HERCULES PARK. THE NAMING POLICY SUGGESTS THAT TEMPORARY NAMES GIVEN TO NEW PROPERTIES

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THIS IS AN EXCELLENT ASSET TO HAVE ACQUIRED IN AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DID NOT HAVE CLOSE ACCESS TO A PUBLIC PARK. THIS PARK CONSISTS OF TWO NON-ADJACENT PARCELS, WHERE ONE IS COURT SPACE AND ONE IS GREEN SPACE FOR A TOTAL OF ALMOST THREE AND A HALF ACRES. THE SECOND PARK TO CONSIDER IS HERCULES PARK. THIS IS A PARCEL OF JUST OVER TWO ACRES THAT THE CITY PURCHASED ON HERCULES FROM THE CHURCH, LOCATED DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR TO THE PARCEL. DO YOU

HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> YES. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER RUMOHR.

>> I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE CONGRESS STREET PARK AND JUST THANK STAFF AGAIN. I WAS HOPING TO SECOND THAT ONE, BUT I'VE GIFTED THAT TO SOMEONE ELSE WHO I HOPE WILL SAY WHY THEY WANTED IT AND WHY THIS IS SPECIAL TO THEM. BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO SERVE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN PARTS OF DISTRICT THREE, PARTS OF DISTRICT TWO. I'VE REALLY APPRECIATED STAFF'S WORK WITH RESIDENTS. I'VE HEARD FROM MY. IT'S MY CONSTITUENTS, SOME OF THEM, ABOUT THE GREAT WORK THAT STAFF HAS DONE WITH THIS CREATIVE IDEA, BECAUSE US COMING IN THERE AND PURCHASING PROPERTY WOULD HAVE BEEN A WHOLE LOT MORE DIFFICULT. SO WORKING WITH THE DENTON ISD FOR THAT LAND SWAP, CREATING A PARK IN A LOCATION THAT PREVIOUSLY DIDN'T HAVE ONE, NOW THEY'RE MORE AND MORE WALKABLE DISTANCE. SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE WHERE WE GO WITH THIS. I APPRECIATE ALL OF STAFF'S WORK WORKING WITH RESIDENTS ON THIS,

AND I AM VERY EXCITED TO SUPPORT THIS. >> FANTASTIC MAYOR PRO TEM.

>> ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, I JUST WANTED TO THANK STAFF SELFISHLY. VERY EXCITED FOR THIS. THIS IS I WALK BY THIS FOUR TIMES A DAY ON MY DAILY WALKS. IT'S IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND TO HAVE THAT IS GOING TO BE VERY EXCITING. AND IF YOU COULD SEND GRATITUDE TO THE PARKS AND REC TEAM, I MEAN, WHEN THE JOHN B DENTON COLLEGE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAD THEIR LAST MEETING, STAFF CAME AND PRESENTED A CONCEPT AND WAS VERY EAGER TO GET OUR FEEDBACK AS A NEIGHBORHOOD OF WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE. AND, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS JUST VERY

EXCITED. SO THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL MEMBER. JESTER. >> I JUST WANT TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS AS FAR AS THE WAY THAT PARKS AND RECREATION LISTENS TO THE COMMUNITY AND DOES THEIR BEST TO TRY TO FILL THE NEEDS THAT ARE THERE, AS WELL AS THE WANTS. I WENT TO SCHOOL AT CONGRESS JUNIOR HIGH MY LAST YEAR. IT BECAME CALHOUN, BUT I IT MEANS A LOT TO ME AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE AND WAS NOT JUST SOLD FOR ANOTHER COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, BUT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY CAN USE. AND AGAIN, I JUST ECHO THE SENTIMENTS AND I'M GRATEFUL AND LOOK FORWARD TO SPENDING TIME THERE AND REMINISCING WITH A

BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE. THANK YOU. >> IT'S BY FAR THE MOST PUBLIC

INPUT WE HAVE EVER RECEIVED ON A PROJECT. >> OH, GREAT. COUNCIL MEMBER

HOLLAND. >> THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I WENT TO JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL THERE WHEN IT WAS CALLED DENTON JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, PLAYED FOOTBALL THERE. OH, GEEZ.

HAROLD CLAMPETT CLIPPED ME. I REMEMBER IT WELL. I WONDER IF ANY THOUGHTS BEEN GIVEN.

THERE'S A FENCE AROUND THAT PARK, RIGHT? >> RIGHT NOW THERE.

>> IS, I WONDER. PARDON? YES. I WONDER IF ANY THOUGHTS BEEN GIVEN TO TO MODIFYING THE GATE

WHERE THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE AS A DOG PARK AS WELL. >> SO WE'LL BE REMOVING THE PORTION OF THE FENCE ADJACENT TO THE PARKING LOT. AND THE REASON IS THAT A CANNOT COEXIST.

>> OKAY, OKAY. >> MAYOR PRO TEM. SORRY. YOU DID OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK IN THAT. I REMEMBER NOW I DIDN'T GO THERE. I WENT TO THE OTHER JUNIOR HIGH STRICKLAND. STRICKLAND JUNIOR HIGH. BUT I'M SURE YOU DID. IT'S TALIAFERRO, BY THE WAY. YEAH. AND I'M JUST. THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE AND IT'S A BURNING QUESTION. IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, THAT'S FINE. THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A FULL 440 YARD TRACK. DO WE KNOW

HOW HOW IT LOOKS ABOUT HALF. >> IT ABSOLUTELY CANNOT. IT'S NOT A FULL FOOTBALL FIELD.

>> YEAH. YEAH. BUT I REMEMBER WATCHING PEOPLE KIDS PRACTICE OUT THERE. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SO WHEN YOU SAY IT'S THE MOST PUBLIC INPUT THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED, I MEAN, AS FAR AS

MEETINGS AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT. >> WE RECEIVE, WE DID AN ONLINE

SURVEY AND RECEIVED OVER 500 RESPONSES. >> WONDERFUL, FANTASTIC.

>> HUGE NUMBERS FOR US. >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. YES.

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>> JUST A TINY BIT OF DENTON TRIVIA, PLEASE. >> YES. YES, SIR.

>> THAT WAS DENTON HIGH SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET. AND DURING WORLD WAR TWO, I WASN'T ALIVE DURING WORLD WAR TWO, NO MATTER WHAT YOU'VE HEARD. BUT BUT A GIANT V WAS PAINTED ON THE FRONT STEPS OF DENTON HIGH SCHOOL V FOR VICTORY DURING WORLD WAR TWO. JUST THANK YOU.

AND WE KEPT THAT ON IN OUR IN IN OUR DAYS THAT DJ. >> FANTASTIC, I APPRECIATE THAT.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? FANTASTIC. MAYOR PRO TEM.

>> I VERY HAPPILY MOVE APPROVAL. >> WONDERFUL COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER OH AND WE'VE GOT TO DO THESE INDIVIDUALLY. YEAH FOR AGENDA ITEM H IS THE ONE WE'RE DOING. OKAY.

>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR AGENDA ITEM H.

LET'S VOTE. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. LET'S MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM I. CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

[I. ID 26-0983 Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton naming the park site located at 510 Hercules Lane to Hercules Park; and providing an effective date.  The Parks, Recreation and Beautification board voted to recommend approval (5-0).]

COUNCIL MEMBER RUMOHR. >> I'D LIKE TO MOTION APPROVAL. >> COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND FOR AGENDA ITEM I LET'S VOTE.

[4. CONCLUDING ITEMS]

OUR CONCLUDING ITEMS. COUNCIL MEMBER RUMOHR. >> THANKS AGAIN TO STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK WITH CONGRESS STREET PARK. I ALREADY SAID THINGS SO I WON'T SAY THEM AGAIN. CONGRATULATIONS ALSO TO PARK STAFF FOR THE OPENING OF THE VILLAGE OF CARMEL PARK.

SEVERAL OF US WERE THERE FOR THAT GRAND OPENING. IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF ONE OF THE PRETTIER PARKS THAT I'VE SEEN IN DENTON, BECAUSE IT HAS SO MANY BEAUTIFUL, MATURE TREES, SO I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE YET, 6414 EDWARDS ROAD. IT'S A LOVELY PARK THAT JUST OPENED. I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT I WENT TO THE SOUTHRIDGE

>> NEIGHBORHOOD BLOCK PARTY. SO WE RECENTLY UPDATED OR CREATED A PILOT PROGRAM TO REDUCE SOME OF THE BARRIERS TO HAVING A NEIGHBORHOOD BLOCK PARTY. TALKING TO ORGANIZERS, THEY SAID IT WAS LIKE NIGHT AND DAY IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE WAS, WAS LIKE TRYING TO ORGANIZE THIS BEFORE THE CHANGES AND WHAT IT WAS LIKE AFTER THEY SAID IT WAS SO MUCH EASIER. EVERYBODY HAD A GREAT TIME. THERE WERE A TON OF KIDS RUNNING AROUND. PEOPLE WERE, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCING THEMSELVES TO EACH OTHER. AND IT WAS A REALLY GOOD TIME. SO THANKS AGAIN TO STAFF FOR, FOR YOUR WORK ON PUTTING TOGETHER THAT PILOT PROGRAM. AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD BLOCK PARTIES MOVING FORWARD.

>> FANTASTIC. COUNCIL MEMBER. JESTER. >> I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE TO ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, AND I HOPE IT'S ALL RIGHT. ON BEHALF OF THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, SEND OUR CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY OF JOHN BAINES. JOHN BAINES HAS BEEN A RESPECTED CPA HERE IN DENTON FOR PROBABLY 4 TO 5 DECADES. HE WAS THE 2023 UNITED WAY OF DENTON COUNTY'S HUMANITARIAN OF THE YEAR. FOR ALL OF HIS PUBLIC SERVICE. I WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH HIM WITH THE BLACK CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THE DENTON BLUES FESTIVAL, AS WELL AS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP BOARD. BUT THAT IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET AS FAR AS WHAT HE HE HAS DONE. AND HE WAS KNOWN FOR HIS BEAUTIFUL SINGING VOICE THAT LUCKILY HE WAS NOT SHY ABOUT. AND THE SONGS THAT HE WOULD WRITE ABOUT PEOPLE AT SPECIAL OCCASIONS. IT WAS ALWAYS A GOAL OF MINE TO HAVE MY FINGERS CROSSED THAT MAYBE ONE DAY I WOULD HAVE A SONG, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. BUT I DID GET TO SING KARAOKE WITH HIM MORE THAN ONE OCCASION AT HIS CHRISTMAS PARTIES, BUT THERE'LL BE A LOT OF REMINISCING, I KNOW, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SENT THAT OUT TO THE FAMILY AND HOW MUCH WE HAVE APPRECIATED. HE'S BEEN A REALLY BIG PART OF THE CITY OF DENTON. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM. >> THANK YOU. I WILL BE BRIEF. ONE THING IS I JUST WANTED TO SHARE A QUICK STORY. I'M STILL IN THE PART OF THE JOB WHERE I'M SLOWLY MEETING STAFF MEMBERS. AND SO I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK I HAD, OR THE WEEK BEFORE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE INTERIM CHIEF, TONY SOLIS. AND WE HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION. AND NEAR THE END OF THE CONVERSATION, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CHALLENGES MOVING FORWARD. AND I'M KIND OF SARCASTIC SOMETIMES. AND I SAID SOMETHING TO NOW, I LEARNED THIS ABOUT HIM FIRST, AND I SAID THIS IN THE WORK SESSION. HE'S ONLY WORKED FOR ONE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND IT'S HOURS. AND TO ME, THAT IS AWESOME. BUT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE CHALLENGES AND I'M A LITTLE SARCASTIC, I SAID, I GOT TO ASK YOU, WHY STAY? AND WITHOUT A BEAT HE RESPONDED AND SAID, BECAUSE THIS IS MY HOME. THAT THAT HAS STUCK WITH ME EVER SINCE. BECAUSE I JUST THINK THAT WE ARE GRATEFUL TO HAVE THE TEAM THAT WE HAVE ALONG THOSE LINES. THIS IS OUR FIRST COUNCIL MEETING, SO IT'S THE LAST TIME I'LL SAY IT, BUT KNOCK ON WOOD, I, I THOUGHT WE

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YOU FOR A GREAT MEETING. >> COUNCIL MEMBER FERRY. >> I ALSO WANTED TO THANK STAFF.

TODAY I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF HANGING OUT WITH MAYOR WATTS FOR TEN HOURS TODAY WITH CITY STAFF AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR THE FIRST DAY OF ORIENTATION. I'VE. I'M LEARNING SO MUCH. I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR ALL OF THE HARD WORK AND ALL OF THE ATTENTION THAT YOU ALL PUT INTO YOUR JOBS AND IN THE WORK IN THE CITY, AND I AM VERY GRATEFUL. I ALSO WANT TO THANK COUNCIL AS WELL.

THIS IS MY FIRST MEETING AS OUR FULL COUNCIL, AND I REALLY AGREE WITH MAYOR PRO TEM. I THOUGHT WE HAD A REALLY PRODUCTIVE MEETING AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS ENERGY CONTINUE. I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T GIVE A QUICK SHOUT OUT TO MY HUSBAND, WHO WAS INVITED TO CONDUCT THE ACDA MIDDLE SCHOOL JUNIOR HIGH CHOIR FOR THE STATE OF MISSOURI. HE'S IN MISSOURI RIGHT NOW, SO SHOUT OUT TO HIM, CONTINUING HIS EDUCATIONAL JOURNEY AND HELPING JUNIOR HIGH AND MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS WHO LOVE CHOIR GET TO HAVE SOME FUN AND GET A COOL TEACHER. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IT'S INTERNATIONAL NON-BINARY AWARENESS WEEK. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO NON-BINARY FOLK WHO EXIST WITHIN OUTSIDE OF BINARIES. AND I SEE YOU AND I LOVE YOU AND I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A LOVELY NIGHT. THANKS.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND. >> I ATTENDED THE SECOND SECOND MEETING OF THE NEW DISCOVER DENTON GROUP, A GROUP DEDICATED TO PROMOTE CONVENTIONS AND MEETINGS TO BE HELD IN DENTON AND. AND AT THIS MEETING WE MET AT THE EMBASSY SUITES HOTEL.

THEY GAVE. THEY GAVE US THE TEXAS BYRD BINGO CARD, AND THEY ASKED ME SPECIFICALLY TO BRING ONE TO EACH OF YOU TONIGHT. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PLAY THIS ON THE WAY HOME OR NOT, BUT PROBABLY NOT. BUT BUT THIS HAS GOT LOTS OF TEXAS BIRDS, AND IT'S GOT A LIST OF TEXAS BIRDS ON THE BACK. SO, SO YOU CAN YOU CAN PLAY THIS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WIN IF YOU GET THE IF YOU GET FIVE IN A ROW, BUT IT'S, IT'S A NICE GIFT. AND, AND THEY, THEY WANTED ME TO, TO, TO PUT THIS OUT. AND SO, SO GOOD LUCK WITH TEXAS BIRD BINGO.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL. >> THANK YOU MAYOR. SORRY, I'M JUST GETTING THIS. WE LOST ANOTHER PERSON TO FEDERAL ICE AGENTS TODAY AT A TRAFFIC STOP.

AND THERE WILL BE A VIGIL AT THE COURTHOUSE LAWN TOMORROW AT DUSK, HOSTED BY SEVERAL LOCAL

ORGANIZATIONS. >> THANK YOU. AND I WANTED TO THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER JESTER, FOR YOUR JUST WONDERFUL, KIND AND SWEET WORDS ABOUT MR. BAINES. HE WAS A GREAT MAN AND HE WAS A GREAT CITIZEN IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND HE WILL BE SORELY MISSED. AND WE SEND ALL OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS OUT TO THE FAMILY. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. AND I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR FOR THE MEETING TODAY. WE HAD SOME GOOD DELIBERATION. WE HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSION. WE HAD GIVE AND TAKE, AND I THINK WE CAME TO SOME REALLY GOOD SOLUTIONS. AND THE ONES WE DIDN'T, WE'LL REVISIT. AND IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE WILL.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR YOUR INPUT AND JUST I LOOK FORWARD TO THE WEEKS AND MONTHS AHEAD AND JUST CONTINUING TO DO GOOD WORK FOR THE CITY AND MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THIS COMMUNITY, IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR CITIZENS. SO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THAT. AND WITH THAT, WITH THAT

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