[00:00:10] GOING TO CALL THE WORK SESSION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER. THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO OUR WORK SESSION. ITEM NUMBER ONE. CITIZEN COMMENTS ON CONSENT AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? >> GALLERY SEEMS TO BE. [2. Requests for clarification of agenda items listed on this agenda for public hearing and individual consideration.] >> THE GALLERY SEEMS TO BE EMPTY, SO I'M GOING TO ASSUME NO. SO WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO. REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION OF AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ON THE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY REQUESTS? OKAY. EXCUSE ME. >> I HAD A QUESTION THAT I SENT IN TO THE STAFF. >> OKAY. >> SO IN THAT QUESTION WAS. AND IS AND MISS HALEY HAS ANSWERED. SO MAY I. YES. I WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER TYPES OF PROPERTY THAT WERE OWNED BY RANCH HANDS RESCUE, WHICH I THINK IS RELEVANT. AND THAT WAS. WHAT OTHER PROPERTIES ARE OWNED OR OPERATED BY THE AGENCY? WHAT IS THE LOCATION, FUNCTION, SIZE AND ZONING OF THE PROPERTIES? AND SO I HAVE AN ANSWER BACK FOR THAT. >> IS THIS RELATED TO A CERTAIN ITEM? >> YES. THE RANCH HANDS RESCUE PROPOSAL AND THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> JULIE DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO RUN THROUGH THAT. >> YEAH, I THINK SO. JULIE. >> AND JUST FOR EVERYONE'S CLARIFICATION, THE PRE-SUBMITTED QUESTIONS, LIKE WE DISCUSSED AT THE WORK SESSION HAVE BEEN POSTED BACK TO THE AGENDA. SO THOSE ARE AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE TO REVIEW THE RESPONSES AS WELL. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, JULIE WYATT AND I AM TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING S 26 FOR RANCH HANDS RESCUE. AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, YOU RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM US EARLIER TODAY. WE BECAME IT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THE WRONG EIS WAS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA. SO WE HAVE EMAILED YOU A DIGITAL COPY OF THAT. AND ALSO YOU HAVE A HARD COPY ON YOUR IN FRONT OF YOU SO YOU CAN REVIEW IT. SO NOW WE'LL GET TO THE REQUEST. THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A GROUP HOME. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF HIGHWAY THREE, 77 FORT WORTH DRIVE. IT IS VERY CLOSE TO ARGYLE. SO REALLY ON THAT SOUTH PART OF TOWN, THE LOT IS ABOUT AN ACRE AND IT IS DEVELOPED WITH A A DWELLING AND AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, 37,000FT■!S OF THAT LOT IS IN TE CITY, AND THEN THE REMAINDER IS IN THE ETJ. SO THAT CITY BOUNDARY BISECTS THE LOT. ZONING IS R-2 FUTURE LAND USE IS RURAL AREAS. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SUPPORTIVE AND PROTECTIVE HOUSING FACILITY FOR ADULT MALES. THE INTENT IS NOT FOR TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE WITH DISABILITIES, BUT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT TRAUMA. THE RESIDENTS WILL BE ABLE TO WORK OFF SITE, PURSUE AN EDUCATION. RENT WILL BE REQUIRED FOR ALL RESIDENTS, AND THEY'LL ALSO BE ABLE TO PRACTICE LIFE SKILLS, HAVE COUNSELING. SO REALLY, IS THAT TRANSITIONAL HOUSING FROM A CARE FACILITY TO TO INDEPENDENT LIVING? ALSO SERVICES ON SITE WILL INCLUDE ANIMAL CARE, ANIMAL ASSISTED THERAPY, CASE MANAGEMENT AND COUNSELING. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. I WILL BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH MORE OF THE PRESENTATION, ESPECIALLY THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION OF THE SITE IF YOU'D LIKE, SINCE YOU DIDN'T GET THAT EIS EARLY ENOUGH TO REVIEW THE INFORMATION. DID YOU WANT ME TO KEEP GOING A LITTLE BIT OR. >> I THINK SO. I THINK THAT WOULD BRING SOME CLARIFICATION TO COMMISSIONER MACDUFF'S QUESTIONS. >> OKAY, GREAT. SO THIS PROPERTY AND THIS ORGANIZATION HAS SOME HISTORY WITH THE CITY OF DENTON. THEY APPROACHED THE CITY IN 2015 REGARDING THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY. AT THAT TIME, WHAT THEY WANTED TO PURSUE IS EQUINE ANIMAL ASSISTED COUNSELING, AN ANIMAL RESCUE REHAB. SO THE INTENT WAS TO TAKE IN ANIMALS WHO NEEDED REHABILITATION. SO WHETHER THEY WERE ILL OR INJURED, AND THEN ALSO PROVIDE COUNSELING FOR VETERANS, ADULTS, FAMILIES IN CRISIS, YOUTH WHO ARE EXPERIENCING GRIEF, TRAUMA, ABUSE, ADDICTION, OR WHO HAVE ENTERED DENTON COUNTY JUVENILE COURT. SO THAT WAS FROM A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT THAT THEY PURSUED IN 2015. THIS IS KIND OF A UNIQUE USE. THE CITY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A DEFINED USE FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY, SO WE CLASSIFIED IT AS [00:05:02] CLASSIFIED AS IT AS AN EQUINE, I'M SORRY, EQUESTRIAN FACILITY. AND THAT WOULD HAVE THEN THAT COUNSELING COMPONENT WITH IT. THAT SUP WENT THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THEN WAS ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY COUNCIL. AFTER THAT WAS APPROVED, THEY WENT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, INCLUDING PLANNING, BUILDING, CONSTRUCTION, ALL OF THAT TYPICAL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS AS PART OF THE PLAT. THEY DID HAVE TO DEDICATE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH TOOK THE ACRE PROPERTY DOWN TO 0.99 ACRE. SO IT'S NOW JUST A LITTLE SHY OF AN ACRE. IN 2020, THEY APPROACHED THE CITY AGAIN. THE INTENT WAS TO EXPAND THE MISSION TO ADD THAT RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, INCLUDING A SAFE HOUSE WITH BUT WITHOUT COUNSELING. SO REALLY JUST A PLACE FOR FOR FOLKS TO LIVE IN A SECURE AND SAFE ENVIRONMENT. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R-2 AND THEY WERE PROPOSING TO CONVERT IT JUST TO A RESIDENTIAL USE. GIVEN THAT THE INTENT WAS NOT TO PROVIDE COUNSELING OR CASE MANAGEMENT AT THAT TIME, REALLY THE CITY JUST CLASSIFIED IT AS A HOUSE. THE THE STRUCTURE, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED AND CONSTRUCTED AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT USED AS AN OFFICE. SO REALLY IT WAS JUST OCCUPYING THE HOUSE IS JUST A HOUSE. IN 2021, THE CITY RECEIVED A COMPLAINT REGARDING WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND A FENCE. WE DID A STOP WORK ORDER FOR THEM AND REQUIRED THEM TO GET THOSE NECESSARY PERMITS. IN 2022, THEY LET US KNOW THAT THEY PURCHASED THE 40 ACRES IN THE COUNTY. THE QUESTION COMMISSIONER MACDUFF HAD ABOUT THE THE OTHER PROPERTIES. THEY DO OWN A 40 ACRE TRACT IN. IN FAR SOUTH WEST DENTON COUNTY. SO OUTSIDE OF ANY CITY OR JURISDICTION THAT WOULD HAVE ZONING. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE A ZONING ON THE PROPERTY REALLY IS JUST KIND OF OUT IN THE COUNTY. AND THE. AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS TO MOVE THE RESIDENTIAL, REALLY ALL OF THE OPERATIONS TO THAT AREA. AND SO THAT TAKES US TO TODAY. THEY DID IN THE INTERIM MARKET, THE PROPERTY ATTEMPTED TO SELL IT. THEY DID NOT SELL IT. SO THEY HAVE APPROACHED THE CITY AGAIN TO SAY, HEY, WE REALLY WANT TO OCCUPY THIS. WE WANT TO TO ALLOW THE SIX RESIDENTS IN THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS PROVIDE THAT CASE MANAGEMENT, THE COUNSELING AND THE EQUINE THERAPY STAFF LOOKED AT THAT AGAIN. AND BECAUSE THEY ARE NOW TALKING ABOUT ADDING THAT CASE MANAGEMENT AND COUNSELING COMPONENT, WE WE CLASSIFIED THE USE AS A GROUP HOME, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. THE SUP IS AN EXTRA STEP FOR THEM, BUT WE FELT LIKE IT WAS A REALLY GOOD, APPROPRIATE STEP IN ORDER TO CLEARLY LAY OUT WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING. SO THAT SO THAT EVERYBODY IS UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE DONE IF IT'S APPROVED, ALSO ALLOWS NOTIFICATION TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. SO JUST GIVE CERTAINTY TO EVERYTHING. AND THEN I DID WANT TO BRING UP ONE OTHER THING. THEY REMEMBER. THEY DID HAVE THE EQUESTRIAN FACILITY THAT WAS APPROVED, WHICH ALLOWED THEM TO HAVE LIVESTOCK. SO HORSES, TWO OF THEM FOR A ONE ACRE TRACT. THE PROPERTY IS A LITTLE LESS THAN AN ACRE. AND TYPICALLY WE HAVE THE CITY HAS WANTED SOMEBODY TO HAVE AN ACRE IN ORDER TO HAVE A LIVESTOCK, TO BE TO BE HOUSED ON THE PROPERTY. THAT'S CHANGED A LITTLE BIT. WE DO NOW FOLLOW STATE LAW REGARDING GENERAL AGRICULTURE IN HAVING LIVESTOCK FALLS WITHIN GENERAL AGRICULTURE, IT IS PERMITTED IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE CITY OF DENTON. SO GENERAL AGRICULTURE HAVING ANIMALS IS PERMITTED IN R-2, WHICH IS THAT BASE ZONING, BUT IT HAS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW. AND IT'S SUB THE TEXAS AGRICULTURE CODE, SUBCHAPTER 251.0055 A ONE. AND WHAT THAT IS, IS THE OPERATION CANNOT CREATE HAZARDS THAT ARE LISTED IN THAT. THINGS LIKE EXPLOSION, FLOODING, INFESTATION, CONTAMINATION, RADIATION, IMPROPER STORAGE. AND WE DON'T FEEL LIKE KEEPING OF ANIMALS ON THIS PROPERTY WOULD WOULD RISE TO, TO THAT KIND OF HAZARD. SO ANIMALS WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY AS PART OF THE S, U P OR A COUNSELING SERVICE. SO I'LL KEEP GOING IF YOU WANT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PROPOSAL. NOW I KIND OF SUMMARIZED IT EARLIER, BUT AS I MENTIONED IT IS PROPOSED TO BE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FOR ADULT MALES, NOT DISABLED, BUT HAVE EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT TRAUMA. AS I MENTIONED, THEY CAN WORK OFF SITE, CONTINUE THEIR EDUCATION, [00:10:01] RENT IS REQUIRED AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE AND PRACTICE LIFE SKILLS SERVICES WOULD INCLUDE ANIMAL CARE AND ANIMAL ASSISTED THERAPY, CASE MANAGEMENT AND COUNSELING. THAT'S WHAT TAKES IT TO THAT GROUP. HOME USE CATEGORY. IT IS NOT PROPOSED TO HAVE ON SITE 24 HOUR SUPERVISION. HOWEVER, THE ORGANIZATION WOULD HAVE STAFF MEMBERS VISIT THE PROPERTY ON A DAILY BASIS FOR THINGS LIKE COUNSELING, AND THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE SUPPORT, COUNSELING AND DAILY AWARENESS. ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, RESIDENTS MUST BE OVER 1818 YEARS OF AGE AND CANNOT HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD OR BE A REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER. THE DWELLING RIGHT NOW INCLUDES SIX BEDROOMS, BATHROOMS, LIVING, KITCHEN AND DINING, AND THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, AND THE SITE ALSO INCLUDES PARKING, FENCING, A SEPARATE OFFICE FOR COUNSELING FOR NON RESIDENTS. OR IT COULD BE USED AS A RECREATION ROOM IN AGRICULTURE BUILDINGS. AND THERE IS A GOOGLE STREET VIEW OF THE PROPERTY ON THE SCREEN. AS I MENTIONED, THE FUTURE LAND USE IS RURAL AREAS AND IT HAS A ZONING OF R-2 DISTRICT, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, GENERAL AGRICULTURE AND GROUP HOMES WITH AN APPROVED SUP ARE ALLOWED IN R-2 STAFF DID ANALYZE THE REQUEST I CAN. DO YOU WANT ME TO CONTINUE GOING ON OKAY. AND WE DO BELIEVE IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OVERALL GOALS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PARTICULARLY TO PROVIDE A SUPPORTIVE HOUSING OPTION THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY'S MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS AS A RESIDENTIAL USE WITH ACCESSORY AGRICULTURE, IT IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF RURAL AREAS. WITH AN SCP, WE ALWAYS WANT TO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE IMPACTS, PARTICULARLY THE SURROUNDING AREA. GIVEN THE CURRENT BUILDING SIZE, NUMBER OF RESIDENTS, STAFF MEMBERS AND COUNSELOR GIVING THE. THAT WOULD BE LIMITED. SO THE. THE BUILDING CURRENTLY HAS SIX BEDROOMS. THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES. SO THAT WOULD LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND ANY IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH ACTIVITIES ON THE SITE. ADDITIONALLY, THAT ACTIVITY LEVEL WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AGRICULTURAL USES AND PREVIOUS USES OF THE PROPERTY. SO REMEMBER, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN USED FOR EQUINE ASSISTED THERAPY IN THE PAST. SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT THAT THE S P WOULD GENERATE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS TO ENVIRONMENT, INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT OR FISCAL IMPACTS. AND THEN WE ALSO LOOK AT COMPATIBILITY. IT IS LOCATED ON A PRIMARY ARTERIAL. YOU KNOW FORT WORTH DRIVE IS A PRETTY BIG ROAD WITHIN THE CITY OF DENTON. AND IT'S DEVELOPED. THE AREA IS DEVELOPED WITH A MIX OF AGRICULTURAL, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND INSTITUTIONAL USES. AND THEY ARE TYPICALLY A ONE, MAYBE TWO STORY BUILDINGS WITH SOMETIMES PARKING AND FENCING. YOU SEE THINGS LIKE RELIGIOUS FACILITIES OR SOME BUSINESSES, AS WELL AS SMALL FARMS IN THE AREA. AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSAL IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, PARTICULARLY BOTH IN THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING AND THE USES, AND ADDITIONALLY, VARIOUS COMBINATIONS OF ANIMAL ASSISTED THERAPY, COUNSELING AND RESIDENTIAL USES HAVE OCCURRED ON THE PROPERTY FOR A WHILE, SO THIS WOULDN'T INTRODUCE NEW USES TO THE PROPERTY. WE DID SEND OUT PUBLIC NOTIFICATION. WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION, WHICH DOES EXCEED THAT 20% THRESHOLD. SO A SUPERMAJORITY AT COUNCIL WILL BE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO APPROVE THIS, AND THAT WILL BE SIX OUT OF SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL BASED UPON THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. I WON'T READ ALL THESE TO YOU BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY SMALL, BUT IT IS IN YOUR BACKUP. AND REALLY THE INTENT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IF IT'S APPROVED, THAT THE S P WOULD BE REFLECTED ON THE ZONING MAP, THAT THEY MUST PROVIDE ALL LIFE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS, BUILDING STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE USE. IF IT'S APPROVED RIGHT NOW, NO MORE THAN SIX RESIDENTS WOULD BE ALLOWED UNLESS A DIMENSION FOR FLOOR PLAN FOR THE DWELLING IS PROVIDED, THAT DEMONSTRATES THAT THEY CAN ADD ADDITIONAL PEOPLE TO THE EXISTING BEDROOMS. A SEPARATE OFFICE IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED FOR THE COUNSELING OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT RESIDENTS, AND THEN ANY FUTURE EXPANSIONS WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL SUP. SO IT'D HAVE TO COME BACK, YOU KNOW, IF IT IF IT GREW SIGNIFICANTLY, WE'D WANT TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN. AND THEN IF THAT FENCE DID GET DESTROYED, IT WOULD NEED TO COME IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR RESIDENTIAL FENCE STANDARDS. RIGHT NOW, IT'S AN OPAQUE FENCE FORWARD TO THE FRONT BUILDING LINE. WE'D WANT THAT TO BE PULLED BACK. SO IT'S EVEN WITH THE FRONT BUILDING LINE, JUST TO LOOK [00:15:04] MORE IN LINE WITH OUR RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS. AND WITH THAT, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> WELL, I THINK BEFORE WE OPEN UP TO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER MCDUFF, YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS. SO DO YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD? >> I JUST I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT MAINLY I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSAL. I KNOW THE GENTLEMAN THAT IN THIS AGENCY VERY WELL, I'VE WORKED WITH THEM ON SOME FUNDRAISING OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH SEVERAL OF MY GROUPS AND HAVE FOUND NOTHING BUT POSITIVE RESULTS AND IMPACTS. AND THERE'S CERTAINLY MORE NEED IN THIS AREA THAN THAN WE CAN EVEN IDENTIFY. I THINK MY OTHER POINT, VICE CHAIR RIGGS, IS THAT WE ALSO HAVE GROUP HOMES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD NOW, SOUTH RIDGE, THAT WE HAVE APPROVED FOR MEDICAL NEEDS AND FOR ADULTS. AND SO I THINK THAT THIS IS A RATHER COMMON OCCURRENCE. NOW TO TREND TOWARDS A SMALL GROUP HOME. THE SUCCESS RATE. >> OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? DIRE. >> A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD IS WHAT KIND OF ANIMALS DO THEY CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE PROPERTY AND HOW MANY. >> THE APPLICANT CAN PROBABLY GIVE MORE INFORMATION REGARDING THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE ANY ANIMALS ON SITE RIGHT NOW, BUT I. BUT I MAY. >> THIS IS. THEY COULD STILL KEEP ANIMALS THERE, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. YES. GENERAL AGRICULTURE IS ALLOWED IN THE R-2 DISTRICT AS LONG AS IT CONFORMS WITH THAT STATE LAW REQUIREMENT FOR NOT CREATING A HAZARD. >> OKAY. AND THEN JUST KIND OF THINKING, I JUST NOTICED THAT WHILE IT'S A GROUP HOME, THERE'S NOBODY LIKE ON SITE FULL TIME. IT'S JUST 2 OR 3 TIMES. MAYBE THEY'LL POP OVER THERE. LIKE, DOES THAT COINCIDE WITH REGULATIONS THAT THE CITY HAS FOR GROUP HOMES? LIKE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER MCDUFF SAYING THAT THERE'S SOME GROUP HOMES IN THERE, OR ARE THERE OTHER GROUP HOMES WHERE THERE'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL PERSON, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PROGRAM THAT LIVES ON SITE? LIKE, IS THAT NORMAL? I GUESS. >> THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. TYPICALLY, WE HAVE SEEN GROUP HOMES THAT HAVE 24 HOUR ON SITE SUPERVISION. AND IN FACT, OUR, OUR DEFINITION TALKS ABOUT THAT. WE TALK WITH THE APPLICANT, WE TALKED INTERNALLY. THE DEN DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES HAVE A HAVE A PROVISION WHERE THE DIRECTOR CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION ON USE. GIVEN THOSE OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS. IN THIS INSTANCE, IT DIDN'T EXACTLY FOLLOW OUR GROUP HOME DEFINITION. WITH THAT 24 HOUR ON SITE SUPERVISION. HOWEVER, WE FELT LIKE IT WAS CLOSE ENOUGH IN TERMS OF OF THOSE OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS AND THE FACILITY THAT WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS THE BEST MATCH IN TERMS OF USE. >> OKAY. >> I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED THIS, BUT DID IT MENTION HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE LIVING IN THE HOME. >> RIGHT NOW? IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SIX IN THE PROPERTY. THERE ARE SIX BEDROOMS. WE DON'T HAVE DIMENSIONED BEDROOMS, SO RIGHT NOW THEY CAN ONLY HAVE SIX. IF YOU RECALL, WE DID A DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT LAST FALL IN ORDER TO GET CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW ABOUT MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY. SO UNDER THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE AND STATE LAW, MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY FOR A BEDROOM THAT IS 70FT■!S IS ONE PERSON. F YOU WANT TO ADD ANOTHER PERSON, THAT BEDROOM WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE BY 50FT■!S. SO IT'D HAE TO BE 120FT■!S. SO RIGHT NOW THY JUST HAVE, IF IT'S APPROVED, APPROVAL FOR SIX, IF THEY CAN PROVE THAT THEY HAVE THE ADEQUATE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR TO ADD ADDITIONAL RESIDENTS IN THE ROOMS, THEN THEN ACCORDING TO OUR CONDITIONS, THAT WOULD WE WOULD OUR CONDITIONS SAY THAT THAT WOULD BE FINE, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO US. >> I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. ONE, WHAT IS AFFORDABLE RENT? >> I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEIR RENTS ARE, BUT THEY WILL BE HERE THIS EVENING AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC AMOUNT. >> THE OTHER IS IT LOOKS LIKE THE THE NEIGHBOR RIGHT NEXT DOOR WAS IN OPPOSITION. JUST FOR THE RECORD, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE OPPOSITION WAS OR. >> I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. IT IS IN THE BACKUP. I'LL MAKE SURE TO REREVIEW THAT BEFORE THE THE THE MEETING TO PROVIDE MORE CONTEXT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU JULIE. OH, WAIT. THERE'S OH. >> I THINK WE HAVE INFORMATION ON THE RENT. MAYBE. >> PARDON ME. >> HI. SORRY. JUMPING IN HERE REAL QUICK. MY NAME IS LEAH [00:20:05] ATKINSON. I'M THE HOUSING PROGRAMS MANAGER ON THE COMMUNITY SERVICES TEAM. LAST WE SPOKE WITH THE RANCH HANDS RESCUE TEAM. THE AFFORDABLE RENT WAS GOING TO BE 750 A MONTH PER PERSON. >> OKAY. DO WE DEFINE AFFORDABLE? >> WE DO NOT. IN TERMS OF OF THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE. >> SOUNDS LIKE. >> SHE MAY HAVE MORE. >> HI AGAIN. WE DO. SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS A FRAMEWORK FOR HOW THEY DEFINE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN A REGION BY BEDROOM SIZE, OF WHICH 750 IS WELL UNDER THAT THRESHOLD. SO IN GENERAL, YES, FROM THAT STANDARD, IT'S QUALIFYING AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING INTO THIS METRIC. >> PERFECT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. >> KIND OF PIGGYBACKING OFF OF VICE CHAIR RIGGS, QUESTION ABOUT THE NEIGHBOR. WHEN WE HAD OUR MEETING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND THEY'RE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS OPEN AND THERE WAS A FEW CONCERNS ABOUT SOME ZONING REQUIREMENTS OR THIS OR THAT. DID YOU GUYS TAKE NOTE OF THAT? WILL YOU BE ADDRESSING THAT? I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT THAT PERSON WILL PROBABLY SHOW UP. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE SAME PERSON THAT GAVE THE OBJECTION. >> THAT'S A REALLY GREAT QUESTION. AND WE DO HAVE INFORMATION. SO SO THAT COMMUNITY MEMBER HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, ABOUT DRIVEWAY SPACING AND, AND, AND WE HAVE DONE THE RESEARCH REGARDING THAT. THE DRIVEWAY SPACING, IT IS LESS THAN WHAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE ALLOWED ON A TXDOT ROAD. HOWEVER, THAT DRIVEWAY HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR FOR MANY YEARS. SO THERE IS THERE IS AN AVAILABLE DRIVEWAY FOR THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR WHO SPOKE IN TERMS OF THE SEPTIC. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR FOLKS IN THE CITY ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THEIR SEPTIC IS IN COMPLIANCE, MAKE SURE MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE BUILDING STANDARDS ARE IN COMPLIANCE. SO THEY ARE WORKING WITH THOSE GROUPS WITHIN THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ALL OF THOSE REGULATIONS MET. THOSE AREN'T NECESSARILY A PART OF OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL WITHIN THE SUP, BUT WE HAVE ADDED A CONDITION TO MAKE SURE THAT IF IF THERE ARE ANY BUILDING REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE USE, THAT THEY WOULD COME INTO COMPLIANCE FOR A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, AND THAT INCLUDES ALL REQUIRED FIRE SUPPRESSION, ACCESSIBILITY IMPROVEMENTS, ON SITE SEWAGE FACILITY PERMITS, AND ANY OTHER CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. >> IS THAT RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FIVE? >> THAT IS RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE. >> OH. NUMBER THREE. OKAY. >> MR. MCDUFF. >> I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER DYER'S CONCERN ABOUT THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SUPERVISION ON SITE, AND I THINK THAT IS A VALID QUESTION TO ASK MR. WILLIAMS WHEN HE. I'M SURE HE'LL BE HERE THIS EVENING. AND ALSO I HAVE THE THE RESPONSE FORM FROM THE NOTIFICATION. AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS HAD TO DEAL WITH THE 24 HOUR PART TIME SUPERVISION ON SITE AND THE DEFINITION OF A GROUP HOME. AND THE CONCERN WAS SMALL CHILDREN LIVING AND PLAYING OUTSIDE IMMEDIATELY NEXT DOOR. THE PERSON THAT SPOKE LAST TIME, THOUGH, THE FINAL COMMENT FROM HIM WAS, I'M SURE THAT MY PROPERTY WILL BE SOLD TO DEVELOPERS AS WELL, AND I'LL BE SELLING THAT. SO JUST, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY ON 377. THE OTHER COMMENT WAS JUST HISTORICALLY, COMMISSIONER DYER, IS THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF WHEN BACK IN THE DAY ON THE NATIONAL NEWS, WHEN THIS FIRST OPENED, WE GOT A LOT OF MEDIA ATTENTION WHERE HE DID HAVE RESCUE ANIMALS, AND ONE OF THE LITTLE ANIMALS WAS A DOG THAT HAD PROSTHESIS NAMED ROO. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF NOTORIETY THERE. YOU COULD PROBABLY LOOK IT UP, BUT THIS IS A KIND OF A BACK TO THE FUTURE THING. AND THEN IT'S BECAUSE HE'S REVISITING AND HE COULDN'T SELL THE PROPERTY. IT SEEMS THAT WE ARE IT'S HITTING SOME RULES AND REGULATIONS. THANK YOU. >> SO IF THIS WERE NOT TO PASS, COULD THEY STILL OPERATE IN THE WAY THEY'RE OPERATING NOW? >> THERE THEY ARE STILL PERFORMING COUNSELING ON SITE SO THEY COULD OPERATE UNDER THE APPROVED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT THAT THEY HAVE, WHICH WOULD JUST BE COUNSELING ON SITE. THERE COULDN'T BE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. SO THEY COULD [00:25:03] CONTINUE WITH THAT. >> JUST BASICALLY NOT BOARDING. ESSENTIALLY. >> I WOULD SAY THE WAY IT IS NOW, THEY WOULD KIND OF HAVE TO CHOOSE EITHER OR. SINCE IT IS ZONED R-2, THEY COULD JUST HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON SITE, OR THEY COULD CONTINUE WITH THE SUP FOR THE ANIMAL ASSISTED THERAPY AND COUNSELING. BUT THIS ALLOWS THEM TO COMBINE ALL THOSE OPERATIONS INTO ONE, BASICALLY. >> OKAY, PERFECT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I DID FIND THAT OTHER OPPOSITION, JUST TO ANSWER YOUR EARLIER QUESTION. THEIR COMMENTS WERE REGARDING HAVING SMALL CHILDREN LIVING AND PLAYING AT THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, AND WANTING MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE TYPES OF INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY BE LIVING IN THE HOME. >> OKAY, OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, THEN. MOVING ON. >> ONLY TWO ITEMS. >> WE. >> HAVEN'T COVERED YET. >> THE ONLY OTHER TWO ITEMS WE HAVE ARE THE PLANTS THAT ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO IF WE GO AHEAD AND GO OVER THOSE. WHO WOULD THAT BE? >> JULIUS FIRST. >> OH, JULIE, YOU'RE BACK UP. >> SORRY ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS A PLANT THAT YOU SAW IN YOUR AT YOUR AUGUST 12TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. IT IS FP 2619. IT'S LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF MILLS AND MAYHILL. IT'S PROPERTY OWNED BY DENTON ISD. THEY INTEND TO USE IT FOR THEIR TECHNOLOGY CENTER. SO CONSTRUCT A BUILDING THERE. SO THEY ARE THEY ARE PLANNING THE PROPERTY. THEY HAVE ADDRESSED ALL COMMENTS. SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU JULIE. OKAY. MOVING ON. >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR. THIS IS AN AMENDING FINAL PLAT FOR KNIGHT'S LANDING. YOU ALL HAVE PREVIOUSLY SEEN THIS PLOT AS THE RESERVES AT BRUSH CREEK. IT IS A 42 RESIDENTIAL HOME SUBDIVISION LOCATED OFF OF BRUSH CREEK ROAD AT THE INTERSECTION OF BRUSH CREEK ROAD AND US 377 THE PURPOSE OF THIS AMENDING FINAL PLAT IS REALLY TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THE SUBDIVISION, AS WELL AS THE STREETS WITHIN IT. THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE UNIT COUNT. THE ZONING OR THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SITE AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. SO AT 531 I WILL CALL THE WORK SESSION THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER OR TO END WHATEVER. [1. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] [2. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MINUTES FOR:] [3. CONSENT AGENDA] [A. S26-0004a Hold a public hearing and consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding a request for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) to allow for a Group Home use on approximately 1 acre of land, generally located on the east side of Fort Worth Drive (Hwy 377) and approximately 750 feet south of Johnson Lane in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas. (S26-0004a, RHR Group Home, Julie Wyatt)] [01:07:44] SO THE LIKELIHOOD IS HIGH THAT SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN. YOU JUST HOPE IT DOESN'T BLEED OVER INTO [01:07:52] INTO URINE OR INTO OUR ENVIRONMENT AND, AND OUR SAFETY ON THAT. AND SO THAT'S MY BIG, [01:07:59] I GUESS, YOU KNOW, AFTER LISTENING TO EVERYTHING, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS JUST THE [01:08:02] SECURITY MEASURES AND THE OVERSIGHT. AND, AND SINCE WE ARE ON KIND OF THE OUTSKIRTS OF [01:08:08] DENTON, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE NEARBY. SO IF IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN, IT'S [01:08:14] NOT LIKE HELP IS 30S AWAY OR A MINUTE AWAY. AND SO, SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER. [01:08:23] >> I DON'T SEE ANY OTHERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO IF ANYONE [01:08:28] ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP. JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> HI BOB WILLIAMS, AND I'M THE FOUNDER AND CEO OF BOB'S HOUSE OF HOPE AND RANCH HANDS RESCUE. SO TO THE NEIGHBORS, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF ANY CONCERNS WHATSOEVER. WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 2015. FIRST, I'VE HEARD OF ANY SEPTIC ISSUES, OBVIOUSLY, IN THE CITY OF DENTON. YOU TAKE SEPTICS VERY SERIOUSLY. RIGHT. AND THE PERMITS AND MAINTAINING IT AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. RIGHT. SO THAT'S A SURPRISE TO ME. THE TWO GOATS THAT WERE THERE, WE TOOK FOR THE CITY OF DENTON, AND THEY JUST QUARANTINED THERE. AND THEY'RE AT OUR FACILITY NOW IN. JUSTIN. SO TO LANDON'S POINT, THERE ISN'T ANY. ANIMALS THERE AT THE CURRENT TIME, BUT WE WILL QUARANTINE ANIMALS THERE IF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ASKS US TO TAKE THEM. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS THAT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO CALL THIS A GROUP HOME, IT'S TRANSITIONAL LIVING. YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE A REAL CODE FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. AND SO LOOK, HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN TEXAS IS A BIG DEAL. OKAY? THESE KIDS NEED A BREAK. THEY NEED A PLACE TO GROW INTO. ALL RIGHT. AND WE'VE GOT A COUPLE AT UNT. WE'VE GOT SOME IN COLLEGE. THEY NEED A PLACE TO LIVE, A CAR, A JOB, THE ABILITY [01:10:02] TO GET OUT. OKAY. BUT WHETHER IT'S A DISABLED VETERAN OR WHATEVER THE SITUATION IS, PEOPLE NEED A LEG UP. AS LANDON SAID, THEY NEED HELP. YOU DON'T MANAGE YOUR NEIGHBORS. 247, OKAY? YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO MOVE IN NEXT TO YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE POLICE FORCE IN DENTON. WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 2015. THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE. THERE'S BEEN NOBODY ARRESTED. THERE'S BEEN NO DRUGS. THERE'S BEEN NO ISSUE WITH ANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED THERE. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, AND I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH ANYBODY TO RESOLVE ANY ISSUES. BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THAT PEOPLE NEED TRANSITIONAL LIVING, AND THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE HELP SO THAT THEY CAN BECOME PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY. I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, BUT NONE OF US CAN. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR NEIGHBOR IS GOING TO DO. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE MALL IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NOBODY CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S ABOUT HOW DO YOU WORK TOGETHER TO HELP PEOPLE? THE PROPERTY IS CLEAN, IT'S MAINTAINED IT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, WE DO, DO. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE RENTING A ROOM THAT'S MANAGED BY DENTON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, OKAY. AND TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE GET TO THE NEXT STEP. SO AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY NONE OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME. IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE, WE FOLLOWED THE RULES HERE TO DO THE RIGHT THING. AND WE DIDN'T LIKE THE FACT THAT IT WAS CALLED A GROUP HOME BECAUSE IT'S NOT A GROUP HOME, IT'S TRANSITIONAL LIVING. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? >> AND I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING IRRITATED, BUT I'M IRRITATED WHEN PEOPLE DON'T CONTACT ME IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, ALL THEY GOT TO DO IS REACH OUT TO ME. I'M AVAILABLE 24 OVER SEVEN. >> YEAH, I COMMISSIONER RIGGS. >> NO, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S A VERY NOBLE, WORTHY CAUSE. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO YOUR NEIGHBORS WHO DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT PEOPLE COMING AND GOING? WHAT WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM TO MAKE THEM FEEL BETTER? >> WELL, THERE'S AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY IS MANAGED BY DENTON AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE THE CLIENTS HAVE TO HAVE A JOB AND A LEASE AND AND MAINTAIN ALL THE RULES ACCORDING TO THE LEASE. RIGHT. IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN LIVING NEXT TO AN APARTMENT BUILDING. ALL RIGHT. I CAN'T GUARANTEE, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE. THEY COULD BE THERE FOR FIVE YEARS. THEY COULD BE THERE FOR A YEAR. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T PUT SECURITY THERE. YOU WOULDN'T PUT SECURITY. YOU HAVE DOZENS AND DOZENS OF GROUP HOMES IN DENTON, WHERE YOU HAVE COLLEGE KIDS LIVING AND RENTING ROOMS, AND THERE'S ADS ON EVERY WEBSITE. RENT A ROOM FOR 750 A MONTH, WHATEVER. AND THERE'S TEN, 12, 15 KIDS LIVING IN NEIGHBORHOOD HOMES. RIGHT? AND SO I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THESE PEOPLE AS CRIMINALS. THEY'RE NOT CRIMINALS. IF THEY DON'T HAVE CREDIT, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A JOB, IF THEY DON'T MEET CERTAIN QUALIFICATIONS, THEY DON'T QUALIFY TO RENT A ROOM. THEY'VE GOT TO BE THEY JUST NEED FINANCIAL HELP. YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? TO GET A LEG UP. SO I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH ANYBODY ON ANYTHING. BUT YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT 24 HOURS SECURITY THERE. THIS ISN'T A MONEY MAKING VENTURE FOR US. THERE'S NO PROFIT HERE. IT'S TO HELP PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AND WE COULD HAVE PUT IT UP FOR SALE AND WE HAD IT UP FOR SALE. IT APPRAISED FOR 1.8 MILLION, BUT WE DIDN'T GET WHAT WE WANTED FOR IT. SO I DECIDED NOT TO SELL IT AND TO BE ABLE TO LET THESE KIDS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GROW INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER FOR THE TRANSITIONAL PIECE OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, SOME GRADUATE FROM OUR PROGRAM AND THEY'RE ABLE TO GO ONTO THEIR OWN, THEY WANT TO LIVE AT UNT OR THEY WANT TO GET THEIR OWN APARTMENT OR MOVE IN WITH FRIENDS OR THAT SORT OF THING. BUT OTHERS, THEY NEED THAT HELP AND THEY NEED THAT INDEPENDENCE. SO, AND I THINK MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT THE GOVERNOR AND THE FIRST LADY WERE JUST AT OUR PLACE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO FOR THE OPENING OF OUR MINORS PROGRAM. THERE'S A LOT OF INITIATIVE ABOUT THIS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. BUT WHEN KIDS REACH A CERTAIN AGE, OR IF IT'S A DISABLED VETERAN OR SOMEBODY THAT NEEDS HELP BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN IN TROUBLE, YOU KNOW, WE DO WORK FOR THE VETERANS COURTS. THOSE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE THROWN AWAY BECAUSE THEY HAD A PROBLEM. I MEAN, THEY MAY NEED A PLACE TO STAY. SOMEBODY THERE COULD MOVE IN FOR SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR, RIGHT? SO THERE'S LIGHTING. I MEAN, THERE'S CAMERAS, THERE'S EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO TRY TO KEEP IT SAFE. AND IF THEY STEP OUT OF LINE OR BREAK ANY OF THE [01:15:07] RULES, THEN THEY'RE EVICTED. >> YEAH. >> THANK YOU. YEAH. >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IF ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK, YOU MAY COME DOWN. NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. >> MY NAME IS BRADEN RUBY. I LIVE AT 9827 FORT WORTH DRIVE, RIGHT THERE. I LIVE THERE WITH MY FAMILY. I HAVE TWO LITTLE GIRLS. I HAVE A TWO YEAR OLD AND A SIX MONTH OLD. WE WALKED THE. YOU CAN SEE THE TRAIL THAT WE BURNED IN FROM WALKING AND RUNNING AROUND THE PROPERTY. IT GOES RIGHT UP NEXT TO THEIR PROPERTY. I LIVE THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY. PART OF OUR CONCERN AGAIN IS NOT WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AGAIN, I'M GOING TO REITERATE WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID. IT'S AN EXTREMELY NOBLE CAUSE AND I HEAR YOUR IRRITATION, BUT I HAVE REACHED OUT. I'VE REACHED OUT MULTIPLE TIMES. THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN GET IN CONTACT WITH IS RANCH HAND RESCUE. AND I HAVE TALKED TO THE WHOEVER THE WOMAN IS THAT ANSWERS UP THERE. SEPTIC HAS BEEN AN ISSUE CONSTANTLY ON IT OVERFLOWING OR THE SEPTIC ALARM GOING OFF. AND THEY'VE BEEN PUMPING IT ALMOST ON A WEEKLY BASIS FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS. THERE'S A IT IS VERY TRUE. THEY'VE BEEN PUMPING IT ON A WEEKLY BASIS, PUMPING SOMEBODY SOMEBODY IS A IS APPROVING IT BECAUSE THERE IS A SEPTIC TRUCK THAT BACKS UP ON AT LEAST WHAT IS IT TWICE A MONTH THAT PUMPS THAT SEPTIC TANK OUT? >> THIS ISN'T. >> A DEBATE. >> JUST PLEASE, PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION. >> THERE'S A SEPTIC ALARM. I'VE CALLED RANCH HAND RESCUE TO LET THEM KNOW THE SEPTIC ALARM IS GOING OFF BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE THERE. THERE WERE GOATS THERE THIS MORNING. SO IF THERE'S NO GOATS THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WERE THERE THIS MORNING. LITERALLY THIS MORNING. I KNOW THIS MORNING BECAUSE MY TWO YEAR OLD DAUGHTER LOVES THE GOATS, AND SHE LOVES LOOKING THROUGH THE LITTLE CRACK IN THE FENCE AND WAVING AT THEM. AND WE DID THAT ON OUR WALK THIS MORNING. SO WE'VE GOT TO ALSO UNDERSTAND LIKE THE FACTS VERSUS LIKE JUST KIND OF MASSAGING THE ISSUE. MY CONCERN IS THAT MY CONCERN IS NOT THAT THE INDIVIDUALS DON'T NEED A PLACE TO STAY. I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S A NEED FOR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. I KNOW THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR THESE FACILITIES TO LIKE REHAB PEOPLE WHO HAVE TRAUMA. MY CONCERN IS KNOWING THAT RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO MY FAMILY, THAT THERE MAY NOT BE THE SECURITY IN PLACE THAT NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE, THAT THERE MIGHT NOT BE THE HONESTY AND THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE, THE ABILITY FOR ME TO REACH OUT AND ACTUALLY CONTACT SOMEBODY BECAUSE I'VE TRIED IT AND I HAVE BECAUSE AGAIN, I LIVE THERE. JUST TWO WEEKS AGO, I HAD THERE WAS A HOMELESS PERSON CAMPED OUT IN THAT BARN AT THE BACK OF THEIR PROPERTY ON THE ETJ, AND I CALLED RANCH HAND RESCUE TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY WERE BACK THERE. AND THEY DID SEND SOMEONE OUT BECAUSE I WAS ALSO THERE WHEN A WOMAN WAS WALKING BACK THERE AND CHECKING THE BARN, BUT I SHOOED THOSE PEOPLE AWAY BECAUSE THEY WERE POKING AROUND ON MY PROPERTY AND WALKING AROUND THERE RIGHT OUTSIDE WHERE MY FAMILY LIVES. SO MY ISSUE IS, ARE THOSE THINGS IS IF THE SECURITY IS IN PLACE AND IF IT'S ACTUALLY BEING MAINTAINED, AND IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY SHOWING UP EVERY SINGLE DAY, AND IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY TAKING CARE OF THESE ANIMALS, THEN WHY DOES THE TWO PEOPLE THAT SURROUND THIS PROPERTY NOT SEE THAT HAPPENING? AND THEN TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, IF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IF THAT CAN JUST BE IF WE'RE JUST GOING BASED ON TRUSTING THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE SEX OFFENDERS, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT IS WITHIN THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE HONESTY THAT MAKES ME FEEL REALLY COMFORTABLE WITH NOT OPPOSING THIS. AGAIN, I LOVE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I KNOW THAT I'VE HAD CLIENTS THAT WORK FOR YOU BEFORE THAT I'VE WORKED WITH, AND THEY WERE AWESOME. I RUN, I RAN A FACILITY, A BUSINESS THAT WORKED WITH TROUBLED YOUTH IN THE NORTHWEST ISD, AND I WORKED WITH TROUBLED, TROUBLED YOUTH. AND I KNOW THAT KIND OF TRAUMA. BUT WITH WHAT'S HAPPENED NEXT DOOR AND WITH NOW, WITH THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND ME LIVING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT FENCE, THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERNS ARE. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCDUFF. >> YES, I HEAR ANOTHER VALUE THAT'S COME UP SECURITY, AND IT IS. WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR MR. WILLIAMS TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE SECURITY CONCERNS THAT WE'VE JUST HEARD ABOUT? AND ALSO, THE OTHER PART OF THAT QUESTION IS THERE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF DENTON POLICE AS WELL AS THE COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT? >> YEAH. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. WILLIAMS, IF YOU COULD COME UP, PLEASE, TO TO ADDRESS THE OR OR IF YOU'RE COMPATRIOT IS MORE. OKAY. [01:20:08] >> LANDLORD HAS INFORMED ME THAT THE GOATS ARE STILL THERE. THEY'RE IN QUARANTINE, BUT I THINK THEY'RE LEAVING THE NEXT DAY OR SO. IN TERMS OF SECURITY. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT GUARANTEES I CAN GIVE. IT'S TRANSITIONAL LIVING. IT'S TRYING TO I MEAN, HOW DO I GUARANTEE THAT ANY OF YOU AREN'T GOING TO GO BERSERK AND HAVE A MENTAL BREAKDOWN? AND YOU KNOW, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT WE'VE PUT THE BEST PRACTICES IN PLACE WITH THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HELP THESE PEOPLE GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL WHEN THEY GRADUATE OUR PROGRAM. THEY'RE ON A GOOD PATH. YES. WHEN THEY GET THERE, THEY'RE DAMAGED. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW, THEY CAN STAY WITH US FOR UP TO FOUR YEARS, YOU KNOW, IN OUR MINORS PROGRAM AND THEN OUR ADULT PROGRAM. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SPREAD THEIR WINGS. AND THE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS, IS THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THEM FROM BEING REVICTIMIZED. AND SO GETTING THEIR EDUCATION, LEARNING A TRADE, HAVING A CAR, BEING ABLE TO BECOME PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU ALL MY CELL PHONE BEFORE I LEAVE SO THAT IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE, YOU CAN CALL ME. BUT THE SEPTIC STUFF, LOOK, I HAVE TO PAY THE BILL. WE HAVE TO THE SEPTICS ON A CONTRACT TO GET PUMPED. THE ALARM WENT OFF. WE DID GET A PHONE CALL AND THE SEPTIC COMPANY CAME OUT AND FIXED IT. THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO PUMP IT, YOU KNOW, IT COST A COUPLE OF GRAND TO PUMP IT. SO BECAUSE I WRITE THE CHECKS, I KNOW WHEN IT'S PUMPED. SO THE ISSUE WAS THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE ALARM THAT HAD TO BE REPLACED. IF THERE'S OTHER ISSUES, THEN ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS KNOW ABOUT IT. BUT YOU GUYS CHECK PAY IS VERY IMPORTANT, RIGHT? SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW ANYBODY CAN BE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT. BUT GOING BACK TO. BUT IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, THEN I'LL GO OUT THERE PERSONALLY AND I'LL MAKE SURE IT'S TAKEN CARE OF. BUT GOING BACK TO SAFETY, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU'RE RENTING YOUR KIDS A, A APARTMENT AT, YOU KNOW, LIVING IN THE DORM, YOU CAN'T MAKE THOSE GUARANTEES. AND I UNDERSTAND, LOOK, WE'RE IN THE FIGHT AGAINST SEX TRAFFICKING. I CARE ABOUT KIDS, RIGHT? I WANT EVERYBODY TO BE SAFE. ALL RIGHT? WE'RE ALL OUT TO GET PREDATORS, RIGHT. AND AND ASKING LAW ENFORCEMENT DAILY TO INCREASE THINGS FOR PREDATORS THAT ARE BUYING OUR CHILDREN. SO WE WANT EVERYBODY SAFE. BUT ASKING ME TO IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN A FAMILY MOVED IN THERE. IF I SOLD IT TO A FAMILY, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH A GENTLEMAN THAT OWNS THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER. HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM. YOU GUYS KNOW WHEN PLANNING AND ZONING, THAT WHOLE 377 AREA AT SOME POINT IS GOING TO BECOME COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S COMING RIGHT DOWN 377 PLUS THEY'RE GOING TO WIDEN IT. SO TRAFFIC'S GOING TO INCREASE. I MEAN, ALL I CAN DO IS THE BEST I CAN WITH THE BEST PRACTICES IN PLACE, TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SCREEN THESE PEOPLE LIKE IN AN APARTMENT BUILDING AS BEST AS WE CAN AND WORK WITH OUR PARTNER DENTON AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HAVE THE CAMERAS AND, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE PROPERTY CLEAN AND MAINTAINED AND DO THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. DID THAT ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS? >> OH, YEAH. WE HAVE A LOT. I MEAN, DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ALWAYS UP THERE WITH A SPECIAL ATTENTION ON THE PROPERTY AND CHECKING IT. WE WENT UP AND IMMEDIATELY WHEN WE GOT THE CALL ABOUT THE HOMELESS PERSON, THERE WAS NOBODY THERE. AM I CORRECT, LANDON? YEAH, THERE WAS NOBODY THAT WAS THERE. AND WE HAVE A COUNSELOR THAT'S THERE EVERY DAY. SO YEAH, THERE WASN'T ANYBODY BACK THERE. SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT CAME FROM. BUT THE POLICE HAVE THE CODE FOR THE GATE. IF IT'S CLOSED, THE ABILITY TO GO IN, SO DOES FIRE. ALL RIGHT. AND WE'VE NOT HAD ANY SAFETY ISSUES THERE IN TERMS OF ANYBODY TRYING TO BREAK INTO THE BUILDING OR DAMAGE ANYTHING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> OKAY. AND DID I HEAR YOU SAY, I KNOW THAT THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR SOME OFFICE COUNSELING THERE. YEAH. YOU SAID THAT SOMEBODY SOMEBODY IS THERE DAILY. >> YEAH. WE HAVE A SEPARATE OFFICE THERE. >> OKAY. >> YEAH, IT'S GOT TWO OFFICES IN IT. >> OKAY. NO, THAT HELPS TO KNOW BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE CONCERN OF, OF TOUCH POINTS, HOW LONG THERE WOULD BE BETWEEN TOUCH POINTS OF THE RESIDENTS HERE. AND IF THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE ON A WEEKLY OR A DAILY BASIS. >> BUT I GUESS FOR THE NEIGHBORS, AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE EVERYBODY LIVES, SIR, BUT BECAUSE I, I MEAN, NEXT DOOR TO ME IS A BUNCH OF MOBILE HOMES. AND THEN THERE'S. OH, YOU [01:25:01] REMOVED THEM, YOU REMOVED THEM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T DRIVE BACK. >> OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. DID THAT ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS? >> YES. I WANTED TO HEAR OUT LOUD ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE AS I'VE ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU HAVE A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE DENTON PD AND THE COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM. AND SO I WAS WONDERING IF THAT WAS THAT WAS STILL INTACT. >> YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW, THE DENTON COUNTY SEX TRAFFICKING TEAM WAS IN LAST WEEK. AND BUT WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE FBI, HOMELAND SECURITY, ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, AND, YOU KNOW, THE DENTON POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY'VE ALL BEEN INCREDIBLE. BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MANAGE THIS PROPERTY ANY DIFFERENT THAN YOU CAN MANAGE A SMALL APARTMENT COMPLEX OR A RESTAURANT THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, 20 WORKERS WITH IT OR THAT SORT OF THING. I MEAN, I WANT TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT HOW I CAN TALK ABOUT SAFETY AND SECURITY. IT WOULDN'T BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN IF A FAMILY MOVED IN THERE. >> THANK YOU. OKAY, COMMISSIONER GARLAND. >> ARE WE IS OPEN SESSION. >> YEAH. NO, THANK YOU FOR ASKING. I, I THINK THERE MAY ONLY BE ONE PERSON WHO HASN'T SPOKEN. IF IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU MAY. BUT I'M NOT SEEING ANY SUDDEN MOVEMENTS. SO WITH THAT I UNDERSTAND. BUT EVERYONE HAD THEIR CHANCE TO SPEAK. SO. >> BEFORE I RAISE THE MONEY ON THAT. >> AND I APPRECIATE THAT, SIR, I THINK WE DID HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THAT HE LOOKS FORWARD TO GIVING EVERYBODY HIS CELL PHONE SO THAT WE CAN INCREASE COMMUNICATION AS THINGS GO ON. BUT I UNDERSTAND, I LISTEN. >> I. >> I'M SORRY, BUT I CAN'T HAVE YOU SPEAKING FROM THE AUDIENCE HERE. OKAY? SO WITH THAT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GARLAND. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE BASED ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. >> OKAY. I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. I'LL JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE ARE ADULTS. THERE'S ALWAYS RISK WITH ANYONE THAT PEOPLE CAN DO DUMB THINGS. I THINK I'M SATISFIED THAT THE AMOUNT OF OVERSIGHT HERE PROBABLY EXCEEDS WHAT WOULD BE AT A TYPICAL RENTED SINGLE FAMILY HOME SOMEWHERE ELSE. WITH THAT SAID, IT'S IT'S EVIDENT THAT THERE HAVE BEEN CONFUSION FROM A LACK OF COMMUNICATION AND AND WHATNOT IN THE PAST. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT THAT COMMUNICATION WOULD INCREASE GOING FORWARD AND EVERYBODY WOULD UNDERSTAND HOW TO HOW TO CONTACT EACH OTHER SO THAT IF ISSUES DO ARISE, THEY CAN GET ADDRESSED VERY QUICKLY. SO. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. COMMISSIONER? DIRE. >> I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION AND MAYBE IT'S FOR STAFF. LIKE RIGHT NOW IT CAN THE SCP IS GOING TO CALL TO ALLOW FOR SIX RESIDENTS IF FOR SOME REASON, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT THIS ORGANIZATION IS VERY PROFESSIONAL AND THIS ISN'T THEIR FIRST RODEO. LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD PROGRAM. BUT IF THEY'RE, IF THEY FIND THAT MAYBE THEY NEED FIVE RESIDENTS AND ONE STAFF MEMBER LIVING THERE FULL TIME, DOES THIS SUP ALLOW FOR SOME LEEWAY IN THE SIX WHETHER IT'S SIX RESIDENTS IN THE TREATMENT PROGRAM OR FIVE RESIDENTS IN THE TREATMENT PROGRAM, AND ONE STAFF MEMBER. >> AS THE CONDITION IS WRITTEN, IT IS NO MORE THAN SIX RESIDENTS, NOT INCLUDING CARE STAFF. NOW, IF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WANTED TO RECOMMEND CHANGES TO THAT, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU. SO IT WOULD ALLOW A MAXIMUM OF SIX RESIDENTS FOR THE FOR THE. THOSE WHO ARE CLIENTS OF IT. [01:30:05] >> SO HOW CAN WE WORD SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO GIVE THE LEEWAY THAT IT'S EITHER THE SIX OR IT'S FIVE AND A STAFF MEMBER? IF THE NEED IF THE NEED CAME BECAUSE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, FIVE MONTHS INTO THIS PROGRAM WHERE THEY'VE GOT RESIDENTS LIVING IN THERE, THEY'RE FINDING THEY NEED THAT FULL TIME STAFF MEMBER AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY. >> THINKING OUT LOUD HERE, WE COULD POTENTIALLY REMOVE THE CLAUSE, NOT INCLUDING STAIRCASE CARE STAFF, TO JUST SAY NO MORE THAN SIX RESIDENTS, FULL STOP. DOES THAT. >> I THINK THAT COULD WORK, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK ON WORDSMITHING THAT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE US TO DO. >> SO CAN I, CAN I MAKE A IS IT A MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION TO ALLOW FOR A TOTAL OF SIX INDIVIDUALS LIVING THERE, WITH ONE BEING A POTENTIAL STAFF MEMBER? >> SURE. AND THAT WOULD APPLY TO ITEM TWO IN SECTION TWO OF THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, I BELIEVE. >> WHEREVER THAT NEEDS TO BE. >> YEAH. >> SO I THINK JUST A RULE OF ORDER IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT AMENDMENT, I THINK COMMISSIONER GARLAND WOULD HAVE TO CONSENT TO THE AMENDMENT. >> I BELIEVE ANYBODY CAN SECOND IT AS LONG AS IT'S APPROVED. BUT CERTAINLY IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GETTING A NODDED HEAD. SO A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GARLAND. OKAY, I'M SEEING THUMBS UP. SO I'M I'M I'M GOING TO DECLARE THAT THAT AMENDMENT BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT JUST TO GIVE FLEXIBILITY THERE. ANY OTHER CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY. I'LL JUST SAY I KNOW THAT THE CLIENTELE THAT YOU SERVE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I'M GOING TO MENTION, BUT I'M I'M AWARE OF. SOME VERY CHALLENGING SITUATIONS THAT OUR CHILDREN WHO ARE IN THE FOSTER CARE SYSTEM GO THROUGH AS THEY AGE INTO ADULTHOOD, WHERE THEY'RE GIVEN ULTIMATUMS, ESSENTIALLY TO YOU TURNED 18, AND THEREFORE YOU HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING FOR YOURSELF IMMEDIATELY, OR YOU HAVE TO SIGN YOUR ADULT RIGHTS AWAY FOR FOUR MORE YEARS AND STAY, QUOTE UNQUOTE, WITHIN THE SYSTEM. SO I THINK THE MORE WE CAN ENSURE THAT THESE TRANSITIONS ARE HAPPENING WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERIENCE AND CARE FOR THOSE UNDERGOING THEM, THE BETTER IT IS. AND, AND SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. SEEING. YES, COMMISSIONER RIGGS. >> YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT. ONE OF THE THINGS IS I THINK THIS IS FOR ME PARTICULARLY, THIS IS KIND OF A VERY HARD VOTE. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF THE THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS ALSO UNDERSTAND THE ORGANIZATION AND THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU DO AND THE REPUTATION THAT YOU HAVE. AND THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GARLAND. >> AND I WILL ECHO BOTH SENTIMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER AND COMMISSIONER RIGGS. I THINK THAT SOMETIMES THESE ARE HARD AND THEY ARE COMPLICATED BECAUSE YOU WANT TO. YOU KNOW, YOU UNDERSTAND BOTH PERSPECTIVES OF IT. I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE BOTH OF YOU TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO EACH OTHER. IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING, AND KIND OF MAYBE IMPROVE THAT RELATIONSHIP. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED. WHAT CHAIR PRUITT SAID. WE HAVE TO START KIND OF EMBRACING THESE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING TO, YOU KNOW, HELP THESE INDIVIDUALS. SO BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND KIND OF SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS. SO I WOULD JUST KIND OF ECHO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO EACH OTHER AND COMMUNICATE AND TRY TO LIKE WORK TOGETHER. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER RIGGS. >> SORRY. LET ME COMPLETE MY THOUGHT TO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS TO THAT IS GOING TO HELP ME MAKE MY DECISION IS THAT IF THIS ORGANIZATION WERE TO GET UP AND LEAVE, THAT THIS SUP ESSENTIALLY GOES AWAY. AND IN ORDER TO CONTINUE IN THE OPERATIONS IN WHICH THEY HAVE ANOTHER S, U P WOULD HAVE TO COME FORWARD. SO. >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE BOARD. THAT ITEM PASSES FIVE ZERO AND I HOPE TO HEAR GOOD COMMUNICATION [A. PZ26-140 Hold a discussion regarding the Planning and Zoning Project Matrix.] [01:35:15] BETWEEN EVERYONE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THAT BRINGS US TO OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MATRIX ITEM FIVE A. >> GOOD EVENING. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAD ANY UPDATES TO THE MATRIX FROM OUR LAST MEETING. AND SIMILARLY, WE'VE HAD A BRIEF HIATUS FROM COUNCIL MEETING, SO NO UPDATES TO REPORT THERE AS WELL. >> ANY ADDITIONS OR OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MATRIX FROM THE COMMISSION? I DON'T OKAY, I DON'T SEE ANY. OKAY. BRINGS US [6. CONCLUDING ITEMS] TO CONCLUDING ITEMS ITEM SIX. ANY CONCLUDING ITEMS? COMMISSIONER DIRE. >> I JUST WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND MY SYMPATHIES TO COMMISSIONER THAT ON THE PASSING OF HIS FATHER. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEAH. I WOULD ALSO JUST IN A IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT, LIKE TO EXTEND MY THANKS TO COMMISSIONER CATCHER SAID AND COMMISSIONER MCDUFF FOR THEIR SERVICE OVER THIS LAST YEAR AND A HALF, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S IT'S BEEN WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT. AND JUST THANK YOU FOR FOR ALL OF YOUR TIME AND CAREFUL ATTENTION AND READING EVERYTHING. SO I BELIEVE THIS MAY BE YOUR LAST MEETING. IS THAT RIGHT? >> YES. THIS IS MY LAST MEETING, IF I MAY BE RECOGNIZED. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE THAT. AND IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO SERVE SINCE MAY AND A PLEASURE TO GET TO KNOW EVERYONE. WE. THE CITY LANDSCAPE HAS CERTAINLY CHANGED. IT WILL KEEP CHANGING. WE'LL HAVE TO KEEP PIVOTING. BUT I'VE LEARNED A LOT AND SPECIAL THANKS TO THE STAFF BECAUSE WE ALWAYS WANT TO SAY SPECIAL THANKS TO THE STAFF, PARTICULARLY KATHY WILBURN, WHO'S TAKEN ALL MY CALLS AND AND INCREDIBLY ASSISTED. PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NEXT? I CANNOT HELP BUT ANNOUNCE WE'RE LAUNCHED THIS MORNING, A MEMORIAL CAMPAIGN FOR MARK BURROWS, FORMER MAYOR THAT HAS PASSED AWAY. AND IT WAS GOING TO BE A PROJECT WITH TEXAS HEALTH ON A REHABILITATION BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SITE ACROSS FROM TEXAS HEALTH HOSPITAL. SO I WANT WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. IT WILL BE MORE THAN A BENCH. HE DESERVED MORE THAN A BENCH, BUT JUST A PLEASURE TO KNOW EVERYBODY AND TO SERVE AND CERTAINLY HAVE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT CODES. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THOSE KIND WORDS, CHAIR PRUITT. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER CONCLUDING ITEMS? NOT SEEING ANY COMMISSIONER RIGGS? >> YEAH. AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO OFFER CONDOLENCES TO COMMISSIONER CATTERSON ON PASSING OF HIS FATHER. AND ALSO THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MCDUFF, FOR YOUR SERVICE. IT'S BEEN GREAT SITTING BESIDE YOU, AND I'LL MISS SITTING BESIDE YOU. AND ALSO TO COMMISSIONER CATTERSON. YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL MISS BOTH OF YOU AND WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DIRE. >> YEAH. I HAD NO IDEA THAT WE WERE LOSING BOTH COMMISSIONERS THAT VERY SAD. IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO SERVE WITH BOTH OF YOU, COMMISSIONER MCDUFF, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE SEE EACH OTHER OUTSIDE IN OUR OTHER ORGANIZATIONAL VENUES. SO I'VE REALLY APPRECIATED AND GETTING TO KNOW YOU BETTER AND WORKING CLOSER WITH YOU IN THIS ATMOSPHERE. SO YOU WILL BE MISSED. >> AND I'LL JUST WRAP THAT UP BY THANKING COUNCIL THAT AS WE LOSE MEMBERS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE APPOINTEES SO THAT WE WON'T HAVE EMPTY SEATS FOR A LONG TIME. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. CERTAINLY NOT SEEING ANYTHING ELSE. WITHOUT OBJECTION, I WILL CALL OUR ME * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.